From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Fri Oct 1 01:22:22 2004 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 18:22:22 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Scanner question Message-ID: <415CB14E.5000306@elp.rr.com> Can someone tell me what lines I need to add to the terminal section of the lts.conf file so that a terminal can be used to operate an old serial port scanner. Making a fat client is not an option but the terminal I want to use has 512 meg of RAM. Thanks Pat From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Fri Oct 1 20:33:34 2004 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 13:33:34 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Crossover office Message-ID: <016b01c4a7f5$ecf23960$0200a8c0@harekrishna.school.nz> I am considering my options of Crossover office vs Win Server 2003 for our school. We can get licences for Win Server 2003 quite cheap, but it would be easier to manage if we only had one server to maintain. It also comes down to costs. The educational pricing for Crossover office is $52 where as the server version is $1500 for 25 licences. If I install Crossover office professional on my K12LTSP server, will all the clients be able to concurrently access it? Or would I have to get the server version? If we can use Crossover office Professional that would be the preferred soln, if we had to pay for the server version for concurrent access then WS2003 would obviously be a better solution. We can get it for about (annual) $65 server licence, $6.50 each terminal licence. We get Office XP for free. Any advice? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bear2bar at netscape.net Fri Oct 1 01:48:51 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 21:48:51 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Crossover office In-Reply-To: <016b01c4a7f5$ecf23960$0200a8c0@harekrishna.school.nz> References: <016b01c4a7f5$ecf23960$0200a8c0@harekrishna.school.nz> Message-ID: <415CB783.5030109@netscape.net> Hi, As much as I hate to say this but your better option, performance, speed, compatibility and price is with Server 2003. The benchmarks we ran with 2003 were much better than with any other option. BUT you'll need a hefty server and lots of patience configuring the 2003 server SW so that it can be used. (Seems than M$ in an attempt to block hacks, virius & attacks locked the server down soooooo tight that it barely works :-D ) good luck norbert krsnendu at orcon.net.nz wrote: > I am considering my options of Crossover office vs Win Server 2003 for > our school. We can get licences for Win Server 2003 quite cheap, but > it would be easier to manage if we only had one server to maintain. > > It also comes down to costs. The educational pricing for Crossover > office is $52 where as the server version is $1500 for 25 licences. > > > > If I install Crossover office professional on my K12LTSP server, will > all the clients be able to concurrently access it? Or would I have to > get the server version? > > > > If we can use Crossover office Professional that would be the > preferred soln, if we had to pay for the server version for concurrent > access then WS2003 would obviously be a better solution. > > We can get it for about (annual) $65 server licence, $6.50 each > terminal licence. We get Office XP for free. > > > > Any advice? > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cwt137 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 1 02:14:45 2004 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 19:14:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] flushing out my backlog... testing for version 4.1.1, followed by 3.2.0, then a 4.2.0 test build In-Reply-To: <1096560934.16122.23.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <20041001021445.94024.qmail@web12106.mail.yahoo.com> What are some of the differences between Centos and WBEL besides the sync times? --- Eric Harrison wrote: > I'm also fairly close to having a K12LTSP 3.2.0 beta > available. I have > been investigating moving from WhiteBox to Centos. > Centos seems to be > doing a better job at keeping in sync with RHEL, > which is important to > me since I'm working on RHEL boxes at work... > From bear2bar at netscape.net Fri Oct 1 02:37:21 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 22:37:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Lockdown of users Message-ID: <415CC2E1.1070605@netscape.net> Hi, If when I create new users and their default profile is taken from /etc/skel/ could I make custom entries in /etc/skel/ and chown all the files to "admin" or "root" to prevent the little monsters from modifiing their desktop, specifically removing icon and launch bar ? thks norbert From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Oct 1 03:03:54 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 20:03:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] flushing out my backlog... testing for version 4.1.1, followed by 3.2.0, then a 4.2.0 test build In-Reply-To: <20041001021445.94024.qmail@web12106.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Sep 2004, Chris Thomas wrote: >What are some of the differences between Centos and >WBEL besides the sync times? In theory? Both strive to be 100% compatible with RHEL, so they should be 100% compatible with each other. In practice, they differ a little. By default, WB will upgrade a K12LTSP server, Centos won't (I'll fix that). I think the color scheme for Centos is ugly ;-) Relatively insignificant differences. Another big plus for Centos is that some of the people on this list are also on the Centos lists. There does not appear to be much cross-pollination between K12LTSP and WB. -Eric >--- Eric Harrison >wrote: > >> I'm also fairly close to having a K12LTSP 3.2.0 beta >> available. I have >> been investigating moving from WhiteBox to Centos. >> Centos seems to be >> doing a better job at keeping in sync with RHEL, >> which is important to >> me since I'm working on RHEL boxes at work... >> From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Oct 1 03:25:44 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 20:25:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] flushing out my backlog... testing for version 4.1.1, followed by 3.2.0, then a 4.2.0 test build In-Reply-To: <1096579570.9921.3.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Sep 2004, Les Mikesell wrote: >On Thu, 2004-09-30 at 11:15, Eric Harrison wrote: >> I have >> been investigating moving from WhiteBox to Centos. Centos seems to be >> doing a better job at keeping in sync with RHEL, which is important to >> me since I'm working on RHEL boxes at work... > >Centos looks more like a real group project, but ummm, errr.., maybe >OS distributions done as a one-man-show aren't a problem for you. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ That's one of the reasons why I've argued that K12LTSP is not, or at least should not, be a distribution. It is, or at least should be, a preconfigured implementation of LTSP integrated into a well supported base distribution. I sorta started down the "distro" road in the beginning, but quickly realized what a mistake that would be. We didn't attract enough developer resources to sustain that sort of objective. Instead we ended up narrowing the scope as much as possible and pushing the novel ideas, code, and techniques upstream - where there were enough developer resources. I've been thinking about this quite a bit lately. Winter is just around the corner and I'll be spending a lot more time in doors hacking away ;-) A good use of that time would be to make a complete task list for generating a K12LTSP build from scratch. From fetching the third-party packages, packaging LTSP, installer modifications, and testing. All I have to do is write it down while I'm working on it... it shouldn't be much more than a hundred or so pages of documentation . Such documentation would save me time in the long run, serve as a great checklist for people who want to help do QA work, and in the long run help ensure that the project continues on smoothly should I get hit by a bus or become a monk or something like that ;-) -Eric From adfour at mtaonline.net Fri Oct 1 04:56:40 2004 From: adfour at mtaonline.net (Andrew) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 20:56:40 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] avi files on ltsp In-Reply-To: References: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E282119D07@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> <415C421F.5000107@paasda.org> <415C48A4.7030402@sages.us> <1096570708.9330.41.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <415CE388.1070100@mtaonline.net> I played with mplayer a bit on a 10mbit switch. 10mbit gets clogged pretty quickly. otherwise it shoud be possible. Certainly mplayer can be launched by moziilla easuily enough --though come to think of it I haven't seen the plug in in a while (been using kaffeine) ADF Shane Stafford wrote: >anyone have any experience using avi files on ltsp, if so what did you >install? >We have a web page that contains an avi file that 3rd grade teachers want >to use for an assessment. >thanks >Shane > > >Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT >Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town >Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer >S & B Consulting > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From goblin at scooter.co.nz Fri Oct 1 05:24:01 2004 From: goblin at scooter.co.nz (goblin at scooter.co.nz) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 17:24:01 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Lockdown of users In-Reply-To: <415CC2E1.1070605@netscape.net> References: <415CC2E1.1070605@netscape.net> Message-ID: <415CE9F1.9090606@scooter.co.nz> norbert wrote: > Hi, > > If when I create new users and their default profile is taken from > /etc/skel/ could I make custom entries in /etc/skel/ and chown all the > files to "admin" or "root" to prevent the little monsters from modifiing > their desktop, specifically removing icon and launch bar ? any normal files in a directory may be deleted by the owner of the directory regardless of who owns the said files. An exception to this is if chattr -i has been used.. from the chattr man page A file with the `i' attribute cannot be modified: it can- not be deleted or renamed, no link can be created to this file and no data can be written to the file. Only the superuser or a process possessing the CAP_LINUX_IMMUTABLE capability can set or clear this attribute Be careful with this as a lot of stuff in the $HOME directory requires the user to be able to write to it. I'm sure Gnome and gconf allow you to set these things in stone anyway which might be a better solution. mRgOBLIN From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Fri Oct 1 05:36:11 2004 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 22:36:11 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Crossover office In-Reply-To: <016b01c4a7f5$ecf23960$0200a8c0@harekrishna.school.nz> References: <016b01c4a7f5$ecf23960$0200a8c0@harekrishna.school.nz> Message-ID: I talked with a sales rep at Codeweavers today, as it so happens, on the same issue. You can use the professional version on an LTSP server, but you do have to pay for the number of concurrent licenses in use at any given point in time. I was quoted $38 per user/license, which I'm assuming was an academic price. ----- Original Message ----- From: Krsnendu Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 13:33:34 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Crossover office To: k12osn at redhat.com, ltsp-discuss at lists.sourceforge.net I am considering my options of Crossover office vs Win Server 2003 for our school. We can get licences for Win Server 2003 quite cheap, but it would be easier to manage if we only had one server to maintain. It also comes down to costs. The educational pricing for Crossover office is $52 where as the server version is $1500 for 25 licences. If I install Crossover office professional on my K12LTSP server, will all the clients be able to concurrently access it? Or would I have to get the server version? If we can use Crossover office Professional that would be the preferred soln, if we had to pay for the server version for concurrent access then WS2003 would obviously be a better solution. We can get it for about (annual) $65 server licence, $6.50 each terminal licence. We get Office XP for free. Any advice? _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -- Steve Hargadon 916-652-8600 ext. 711 From goblin at scooter.co.nz Fri Oct 1 05:45:59 2004 From: goblin at scooter.co.nz (goblin at scooter.co.nz) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 17:45:59 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Lockdown of users In-Reply-To: <415CE9F1.9090606@scooter.co.nz> References: <415CC2E1.1070605@netscape.net> <415CE9F1.9090606@scooter.co.nz> Message-ID: <415CEF17.7050303@scooter.co.nz> Just read my own post... goblin at scooter.co.nz wrote: > An exception to this is if chattr -i has been used.. from the chattr man > page "+" "-" whatever... they live beside each other on the keyboard :) Been a long day. mRgOBLIN From les at futuresource.com Fri Oct 1 06:02:19 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 01:02:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] flushing out my backlog... testing for version 4.1.1, followed by 3.2.0, then a 4.2.0 test build In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1096610539.16584.12.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2004-09-30 at 22:25, Eric Harrison wrote: > A good use of that time would be to make a complete > task list for generating a K12LTSP build from scratch. From fetching > the third-party packages, packaging LTSP, installer modifications, > and testing. Would it be possible/difficult to make all of the k12ltsp modifications into a configuration RPM that included only the template/scripts and dependencies for all of the other RPMs? That would make it barely necessary to bundle it into a distro at all (but still handy...). If the scripts can accommodate the differences between distros you could use yum or apt-get to install k12ltsp-config into about anything redhat or fedora based. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Oct 1 06:40:52 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 23:40:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] flushing out my backlog... testing for version 4.1.1, followed by 3.2.0, then a 4.2.0 test build In-Reply-To: <1096610539.16584.12.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 1 Oct 2004, Les Mikesell wrote: >On Thu, 2004-09-30 at 22:25, Eric Harrison wrote: >> A good use of that time would be to make a complete >> task list for generating a K12LTSP build from scratch. From fetching >> the third-party packages, packaging LTSP, installer modifications, >> and testing. > >Would it be possible/difficult to make all of the k12ltsp modifications >into a configuration RPM that included only the template/scripts and >dependencies for all of the other RPMs? That would make it barely >necessary to bundle it into a distro at all (but still handy...). If >the scripts can accommodate the differences between distros you could >use yum or apt-get to install k12ltsp-config into about anything >redhat or fedora based. If you want a non-fedora/RH install, then the standard ltsp installer is the way to go. For the "enterprise" packages (a.k.a K12LTSP 3.2.0), I designed everything around such meta packages (i.e. up2date -i k12ltsp-core). I'm also thinking about making meta packages for K12LTSP 4.2.0 as well, it is much quicker and easier to modify a meta package than it is to change the package selection or upgrade behavior within the installer. Meta packages also allow me to add new packages by making them a dependancy to a meta package: when up2date/yum sees the updated meta package it will know to grab the new package as well. The flip-side is that meta packages are a bit annoying at times. Probably a few good technical reasons to avoid them as well. But meta packages & distributing the K12LTSP-specific packages unbundled are a low priority. The whole point of K12LTSP, for the most part, is that is bundled all together. -Eric From l.maslany at jmc.ac.uk Fri Oct 1 08:14:21 2004 From: l.maslany at jmc.ac.uk (Luke Maslany) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 09:14:21 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Remote X Session from Windows XP Client Message-ID: <8F057578D21DBA4BB0CF32013A87ACED05F5D6@x-serv1.admin.jmc.ac.uk> Thank you to everyone who replied to this thread. I confess that I was hoping that this would be possible through the use of PuTTY as the .exe has already been deployed and is used to create SSH sessions to the Linux box. I did wonder how it would work without a client-side server... >http://www.cygwin.com > >Then use gdmconf to enable remote xdmcp connections to your Linux box. I am still a fledgling when it comes to Linux, so much so that I have no idea how to use 'gdmconf' to enable 'xdmcp' connections, but I am willing to learn. Does anyone have a link where I could read up on how to do this (and the way in which this works)? I don't suppose anyone knows a quick way to deploy cygwin to 500ish Windows XP computers? :) In addition, are there any security considerations I should be aware of if I use cygwin on a Windows XP SP2 box with none-administrative rights? Again, I am very grateful for your help, Luke Maslany -----Original Message----- From: Les Mikesell [mailto:les at futuresource.com] Sent: 29 September 2004 16:46 To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Remote X Session from Windows XP Client On Wed, 2004-09-29 at 08:11, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > You can also try putty to connect to X via ssh?? > > Is that possible? I assumed that you needed something such as cygwin > that is able to run a local X session and the ssh connection through > putty was just to transport the X Windows data from the server. If I > can do such a thing via putty only please someone let me know, or I > suppose I could do something crazy and just try it. Putty can do the same magic X port-forwarding as ssh. Under ssh/tunnels, check the box for 'enable X11 forwarding' before making the connection, then after logging in start an X program by typing it's name. However you still need a local X server running to display the forwarded window. The cygwin version running in -multiwindow mode is a good choice for this - it will open a new window with more-or-less the same look and management as normal MS apps. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Fri Oct 1 08:37:24 2004 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 09:37:24 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Lockdown of users In-Reply-To: <415CC2E1.1070605@netscape.net> References: <415CC2E1.1070605@netscape.net> Message-ID: <200410010937.24101.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> On Friday 01 Oct 2004 3:37 am, norbert wrote: > Hi, > > If when I create new users and their default profile is taken from > /etc/skel/ could I make custom entries in /etc/skel/ and chown all the > files to "admin" or "root" to prevent the little monsters from modifiing > their desktop, specifically removing icon and launch bar ? Files in /etc/skel are owned by root; the useradd process copies them to the new users home dir and chown's the copied files. While you could change the ownership in the user's home dir, you'll probably find that things don't work, as the display manager needs to update these files. What I've done is written a cron job that resets the wallpaer, turns off the screen saver, etc. We run this overnight, but it might be possible to change this to run at logoff, perhaps in $HOME/.bash_logout ? --script fragment-- find /home -name "kdesktoprc" > /tmp/$$ for f in `cat /tmp/$$` ; do cp -f $f /tmp/kdesktopdc.$$ awk -f /usr/local/bin/hgsdesktop.awk /tmp/kdesktoprc.$$ >$f done rm -f /tmp/$$ rm -f /tmp/kdesktoprc.$$ --awk fragment-- if ( $0 ~ /Wallpaper=.*/ ) { split($0,TMP,"=") $0=TMP[1] "=/usr/share/backgrounds/images/default.png" } if ( $0 ~ /WallpaperMode=.*/ ) { split($0,TMP,"=") $0=TMP[1] "=Scaled" } print $0 -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Fri Oct 1 08:45:10 2004 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 09:45:10 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Accton en1207/c-tx nics In-Reply-To: <415CC2E1.1070605@netscape.net> References: <415CC2E1.1070605@netscape.net> Message-ID: <200410010945.10081.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> Greetings and Felicitations Has anyone on the list used these in thin clients? I've just been given 25 PC's with these in, ideal for thin clients m/cs. I can't see a etherboot image in rom-o-matic for them. A web reference suggests that they are Realtek 8139 clones but they clearly aren't. I have some of the said Realtek cards and the ROM image doesn't work. It would be a pity to have to change these perfectly good nics to some that I know work. Thanks! -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From goblin at scooter.co.nz Fri Oct 1 09:39:07 2004 From: goblin at scooter.co.nz (goblin at scooter.co.nz) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 21:39:07 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Accton en1207/c-tx nics In-Reply-To: <200410010945.10081.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> References: <415CC2E1.1070605@netscape.net> <200410010945.10081.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> Message-ID: <415D25BB.5040408@scooter.co.nz> Martin Woolley wrote: > Greetings and Felicitations > > Has anyone on the list used these in thin clients? I've just been given 25 > PC's with these in, ideal for thin clients m/cs. I can't see a etherboot > image in rom-o-matic for them. A web reference suggests that they are > Realtek 8139 clones but they clearly aren't. I have some of the said Realtek > cards and the ROM image doesn't work. It would be a pity to have to change > these perfectly good nics to some that I know work. > Thanks! Havn't used them for thin client but... We used to run these in win9x machines and they we netware 2000 compatible... was some time ago but if I recall they would run with the ne2k-pci driver. mRgOBLIN From olle at paalalinn.com Fri Oct 1 12:02:42 2004 From: olle at paalalinn.com (Olle Niit) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 15:02:42 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Accton en1207/c-tx nics In-Reply-To: <415D25BB.5040408@scooter.co.nz> References: <415CC2E1.1070605@netscape.net> <200410010945.10081.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> <415D25BB.5040408@scooter.co.nz> Message-ID: <1096632161.17544.20.camel@server5.paalalinn.com> no no no. 1208 was 10Mbit ne2k-pci compatible 1207 is 10/100 Mbit card and sounds more like rtl8139 (1). Full-Duplex enabled and Boot ROM enabled: (Flow control item are displayed only when Full-Duplex enabled) ================================================================ | Ethernet Address: ............. 00 00 E8 12 11 01 | | Network Speed: ................ 100/10 Mbps | | Full-Duplex: .................. Enabled | | I/O Base: ..................... E000 H | | Interrupt: .................... 10 | | Boot ROM Size: ................ 16 Kilo-Bytes | | Bus Number: ................... 0 | | Device/Slot Number: ........... 10 | | Flow control: ................. Tx Enable, Rx Enable | | Medium Type: .................. Auto Detect | | | | This is your PCI LAN board current configuration.If you will | | change the configuration, go back to the Main Menu and choose| | SET UP NEW CONFIGURATION. | ================================================================ On R, 2004-10-01 at 12:39, goblin at scooter.co.nz wrote: > Havn't used them for thin client but... > We used to run these in win9x machines and they we netware 2000 > compatible... was some time ago but if I recall they would run with the > ne2k-pci driver. > > mRgOBLIN From olachere at groupemalakoff.com Fri Oct 1 12:21:24 2004 From: olachere at groupemalakoff.com (Olivier LACHERE) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 14:21:24 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Modify Greeter screen in K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <1096555553.2538.3.camel@roop.ltsp> Message-ID: <007f01c4a7b1$2c135150$01aba00a@LANAABO1> Thanks ! I've got it. In fact, K12LTSP uses GNOME by default (gdmgreeter for remote display & gdmlogin for console). Changing /etc/sysconfig/desktop change the remote greeter for K12LTSP connection (so using kdm_greet instead of gdmgreeter). For those who want to modify gdmlogin configuration (disable some functions and display) I finally find how : edit the default theme XML file (default seems to be /usr/share/gdm/themes/Bluecurve/Bluecurve.xml). You can add/remove "Session", "Language", "Disconnect" access very simply. But it only acts for gdmlogin screen. If you want (like me) to customize your gdmgreeter (in workstation connection to K12LTSP), you can specify using gdmlogin instead of gdmgreeter in your /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf XML theme file enable you to specify impact to remote or local login () I hope everyone could understand me with my poor english. Have a nice day ! -----Message d'origine----- De?: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] De la part de Sudev Barar Envoy??: jeudi 30 septembre 2004 16:46 ??: Support list for opensource software in schools. Objet?: Re: RE : RE : [K12OSN] Modify Greeter screen in K12LTSP On Thu, 2004-09-30 at 18:10, Olivier LACHERE wrote: > I suppose that it uses kdm, I've not changed anything since K12LTSP > installation. It seems to be effectively kdm but how can I remove > session otions ? modifying kdmrc doesn't work (I just try modify > "SessionTypes" to keep only one type, but the "Session" Menu in Greeter > always show all sessions types). The file you have to edit is /etc/sysconfig/desktop If you want to use gnome just the following line should be there: DISPLAYMANAGER="GNOME" If you want to use KDE the two lines: DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE" DESKTOP="KDE" To do any changes to log in menu under KDE go to control center and find login menu under administration. HTH -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Fri Oct 1 12:52:05 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 07:52:05 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] avi files on ltsp In-Reply-To: References: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E282119D07@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> < > <415C421F.5000107@paasda.org> <415C48A4.7030402@sages.us> <1096570708.9330.41.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: mplayer plays AVI I believe. . . Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Thu, 30 Sep 2004, Shane Stafford wrote: > anyone have any experience using avi files on ltsp, if so what did you > install? > We have a web page that contains an avi file that 3rd grade teachers want > to use for an assessment. > thanks > Shane > > > Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT > Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town > Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer > S & B Consulting > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Oct 1 13:11:42 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 09:11:42 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Appletalk and K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <415C6613.4030909@sages.us> References: <003501c4a659$7e8df830$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> <415C6613.4030909@sages.us> Message-ID: <415D578E.2080906@inlandlakes.org> Jim Hays wrote: > (OSX). Once again, I can log in with SMB with no problem, but AFP does > not show any volumes. I have checked and checked and checked the > AppleVolumes.default file and manually set the -sysvol file in afpd.conf. > Any ideas. Sorry Jim, coming into this thread late (seems to be the norm for me lately) -- but if the linux ownership isn't right for a folder, the user doesn't see it in the chooser (or OSX equivalent). At least, I think that is the case. So basically, if you are sharing /files/macstuff -- make user jshmoe has permission to see that folder in linux. The simplest way is to make jsmoe *own* it, for testing purposes -- group sticky bits, etc, are really squirrelly in the netatalk install I have. Make sure it works with a user owning the folder, then tweak permissions, etc. That might all be little help, but what the heck. :) -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Oct 1 13:20:09 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 08:20:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Appletalk and K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <415C6613.4030909@sages.us> Message-ID: <000e01c4a7b9$5fdace20$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > for starting this thread - I can now log in, but no volumes appear > (OSX). Once again, I can log in with SMB with no problem, > but AFP does > not show any volumes. I have checked and checked and checked the You mention OSX only, does this mean that OS9 works and OSX doesn't? Just trying to narrow things down. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.766 / Virus Database: 513 - Release Date: 9/17/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From haysja at sages.us Fri Oct 1 13:31:47 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 08:31:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Appletalk and K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <000e01c4a7b9$5fdace20$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000e01c4a7b9$5fdace20$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <415D5C43.9060502@sages.us> No. I am testing with OSX. I believe that it is also the case with OS9, but I would have to drive to another location to test that. Jim Kronebusch wrote: >>for starting this thread - I can now log in, but no volumes appear >>(OSX). Once again, I can log in with SMB with no problem, >>but AFP does >>not show any volumes. I have checked and checked and checked the >> >> > >You mention OSX only, does this mean that OS9 works and OSX doesn't? >Just trying to narrow things down. > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.766 / Virus Database: 513 - Release Date: 9/17/2004 > > > > > From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Oct 1 13:46:31 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 09:46:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] flushing out my backlog... testing for version 4.1.1, =?ISO-8859-1?Q? followed_?= by In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Fri Oct 1 2004 at 02:40 +0000 wrote: > The whole point of K12LTSP, >for the most part, is that is bundled all together. Speaking only for myself.....amen...... David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Oct 1 13:49:55 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 08:49:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Appletalk and K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <415D5C43.9060502@sages.us> Message-ID: <000f01c4a7bd$886bf310$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > No. I am testing with OSX. I believe that it is also the case with > OS9, but I would have to drive to another location to test that. You know it is a little more time consuming but for me I have had mixed results just restarting the netatalk service after making changes. I just reboot the whole server now when I make a change. I have made changes before that I thought didn't work, but then rebooting the whole machine made them work. Also there is a name in netatalk.conf (ATALK_NAME=whatever), does the name assigned in there match the one that you hard coded into afpd.conf? Sorry for my minimal knowledge here but who knows, maybe it'll help. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.766 / Virus Database: 513 - Release Date: 9/17/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From cwt137 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 1 13:48:58 2004 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 06:48:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Accton en1207/c-tx nics In-Reply-To: <200410010945.10081.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> Message-ID: <20041001134858.3645.qmail@web12102.mail.yahoo.com> Hello, Here is how I would identify the chipset to find the right etherboot. This is very similar instructions to find the chipset for video cards. 1. Boot one of the boxes in question with a rescue disk (toms root boot is my fav.!). 2. at the prompt type this: 'cat /proc/bus/pci/devices/' 3. The second column of numbers are the pci id's of the devices in the system. Write these 8-digit numbers down. 4. Next, go to: http://rom-o-matic.net/5.2.5/etherboot-5.2.5/src/bin/NIC this is a list of all the etherboot supported nics and their drivers. Search through the etherboot list and try to match one of them with your list. Etherboot writes pci id's different. It is in hex and they separate the vendor id (first 4 digits) from the device id (last 4 digits). For example: I have many cards with a pci id of 10b79050 but etherboot writes it like this: 0x10b7,0x9050 I hope this information helps. Chris -- Martin Woolley wrote: > Greetings and Felicitations > > Has anyone on the list used these in thin clients? > I've just been given 25 > PC's with these in, ideal for thin clients m/cs. I > can't see a etherboot > image in rom-o-matic for them. A web reference > suggests that they are > Realtek 8139 clones but they clearly aren't. I have > some of the said Realtek > cards and the ROM image doesn't work. It would be a > pity to have to change > these perfectly good nics to some that I know work. > Thanks! > -- > Regards > Martin Woolley > ICT Support > Handsworth Grammar School > Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna > > > > ************************************************************* > This email and any files transmitted with it are > confidential > and intended solely for the use of the individual or > entity > to whom they are addressed. If you have received > this email > in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org > > The views expressed within this email are those of > the > individual, and not necessarily those of the > organisation > ************************************************************* > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Fri Oct 1 13:59:05 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 08:59:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] flushing out my backlog... testing for version 4.1.1, followed by 3.2.0, then a 4.2.0 test build In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1096639145.17728.20.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 01:40, Eric Harrison wrote: > But meta packages & distributing the K12LTSP-specific packages > unbundled are a low priority. The whole point of K12LTSP, > for the most part, is that is bundled all together. Agreeed, but 99% of the bundling effect comes from those scripts that do all the grunge work of setting the system up after the programs are in place. RPM dependencies may not be a great way to tie everything together but I think it should be sufficient and a lot more versatile than cutting a new ISO image for every combination of distributions and packages that someone might want. You could, for example, add client/server LDAP configuration packages or change most of the things that have many-step HOWTO's on the wiki into a single install command - and it would be automatically maintained for everyone with changes in the respoitory. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Fri Oct 1 14:06:48 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 09:06:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] flushing out my backlog... testing for version 4.1.1, =?ISO-8859-1?Q? followed_?= by In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1096639608.17728.28.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 08:46, David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Fri Oct 1 2004 at 02:40 +0000 wrote: > > The whole point of K12LTSP, > >for the most part, is that is bundled all together. > > Speaking only for myself.....amen...... Yes, but you are comparing it to gathering all the parts yourself and configuring them. Suppose you could instead do one command to install the configuration/setup scripts and as a side effect of yum/apt magic it automatically installed all the needed components. Then you could install your choice of redhat/fedora whitebox/centos (sometimes dictated by which works on your hardware) and give one more command to turn it into k12ltsp. ---- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From pvdw at criticalcontrol.com Fri Oct 1 14:21:55 2004 From: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com (Pete) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 08:21:55 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Lockdown of users In-Reply-To: <415CC2E1.1070605@netscape.net> References: <415CC2E1.1070605@netscape.net> Message-ID: <415D6803.6000604@criticalcontrol.com> norbert wrote: > Hi, > > If when I create new users and their default profile is taken from > /etc/skel/ could I make custom entries in /etc/skel/ and chown all the > files to "admin" or "root" to prevent the little monsters from > modifiing their desktop, specifically removing icon and launch bar ? > > > thks > norbert > There is a lockdown section in the new gnome manual that will do this for you. http://www.gnome.org Or are you using KDE? They have the same functionality. Peter -- Any technology distinguishable from foodoo-magic is insufficiently advanced. Peter Van den Wildenbergh CriticalControl Solutions Inc. Bow Valley Square II Suite 2400 205 - 5th avenue SW Calgary, AB T2P 2V7 T 403.705.7500 F 403.705.7555 From haysja at sages.us Fri Oct 1 14:48:35 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 09:48:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Appletalk and K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <000f01c4a7bd$886bf310$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000f01c4a7bd$886bf310$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <415D6E43.7090604@sages.us> Thanks for the info Jim. I have not rebooted the show server. I restart atalk after each change. I will try that. Thanks again. Jim Kronebusch wrote: >>No. I am testing with OSX. I believe that it is also the case with >>OS9, but I would have to drive to another location to test that. >> >> > >You know it is a little more time consuming but for me I have had mixed >results just restarting the netatalk service after making changes. I >just reboot the whole server now when I make a change. I have made >changes before that I thought didn't work, but then rebooting the whole >machine made them work. > >Also there is a name in netatalk.conf (ATALK_NAME=whatever), does the >name assigned in there match the one that you hard coded into afpd.conf? > >Sorry for my minimal knowledge here but who knows, maybe it'll help. > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.766 / Virus Database: 513 - Release Date: 9/17/2004 > > > > > From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Oct 1 15:09:42 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 11:09:42 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] flushing out my backlog... testing for version 4.1.1, =?ISO-8859-1?Q? followed_?= In-Reply-To: <1096639608.17728.28.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: < > <1096639608.17728.28.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, October 1, 2004 at 10:06 AM +0000 wrote: >Then you could install your choice of redhat/fedora >whitebox/centos (sometimes dictated by which works on your >hardware) and give one more command to turn it into k12ltsp. Hmmmm....also a good point, but I think a bit much to ask Eric to do....would anyone else be interested in taking Eric's packages and setting them up in this manner? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Oct 1 15:17:16 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 08:17:16 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] flushing out my backlog... testing for version 4.1.1, =?ISO-8859-1?Q? followed_?= In-Reply-To: References: < > <1096639608.17728.28.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1096643836.16122.64.camel@server.ltsp> On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 08:09, David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Friday, October 1, 2004 at 10:06 AM +0000 wrote: > >Then you could install your choice of redhat/fedora > >whitebox/centos (sometimes dictated by which works on your > >hardware) and give one more command to turn it into k12ltsp. > > Hmmmm....also a good point, but I think a bit much to ask Eric to > do....would anyone else be interested in taking Eric's packages and > setting them up in this manner? First, the fewer steps the better. For every additional step we add, we lose part of our target audience (those with no Linux experience). But we can have our cake and eat it too. Meta packages work reasonably well for dealing with the dependencies. All of my config scripts have already been split out, the installer itself just runs: /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/K12Linux-LTSP-initialize So much of this has already been done, and is currently being implemented. Don't forget the other part of my initial post: rather than re-inventing the wheel here, we should be pushing as much as possible up-stream. The work required to make the K12LTSP packages work on any arbitrary distro would be much better spent working Jim on ltspcfg. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From haysja at sages.us Fri Oct 1 15:30:46 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 10:30:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] flushing out my backlog... testing for version 4.1.1, =?ISO-8859-1?Q? followed_?= In-Reply-To: <1096643836.16122.64.camel@server.ltsp> References: < > <1096639608.17728.28.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1096643836.16122.64.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <415D7826.1080200@sages.us> Eric The K12LTSP distribution is fine the way it is. If someone else wants to add these packages to a different "flavor" of Linux, more power to them. I am an educator - who just happens to be interested in computers and hence I became technology coordinator. I love the fact that this is an "all-in-one" package. I don't want to play Linux politics and argue one "flavor" against another. You chose RedHat - which became Fedora - and that is fine. Most of us in K12 need a complete distribution like this. We don't want to - don't have time for - don't need to -..... install Linux and then put K12LTSP on top of that. Most of use are coming from Windows servers and don't have a great deal of experience with Linux. We need to be able to put a few CDs in and have an inclusive install. K12LTSP is a beautiful distribution. It somply WORKS and works well. As Eric says below, there is no reason to start over from scratch. Thank you, Eric, for all you do and for sharing your expertise, wisdom, and hard work with us. I am very grateful for the distibution that you have put together. Long Live K12LTSP !!!!!!!!!!!!! Eric Harrison wrote: >On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 08:09, David Trask wrote: > > >>"Support list for opensource software in schools." on >>Friday, October 1, 2004 at 10:06 AM +0000 wrote: >> >> >>>Then you could install your choice of redhat/fedora >>>whitebox/centos (sometimes dictated by which works on your >>>hardware) and give one more command to turn it into k12ltsp. >>> >>> >>Hmmmm....also a good point, but I think a bit much to ask Eric to >>do....would anyone else be interested in taking Eric's packages and >>setting them up in this manner? >> >> > >First, the fewer steps the better. For every additional step we add, >we lose part of our target audience (those with no Linux experience). > >But we can have our cake and eat it too. Meta packages work reasonably >well for dealing with the dependencies. All of my config scripts have >already been split out, the installer itself just runs: > > /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/K12Linux-LTSP-initialize > >So much of this has already been done, and is currently being implemented. > >Don't forget the other part of my initial post: rather than re-inventing >the wheel here, we should be pushing as much as possible up-stream. The >work required to make the K12LTSP packages work on any arbitrary distro >would be much better spent working Jim on ltspcfg. > >-Eric > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > From edwardsj at leonardisd.net Fri Oct 1 15:45:14 2004 From: edwardsj at leonardisd.net (Jerome Edwards) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 10:45:14 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Desktop Settings Message-ID: <3583.207.235.220.140.1096645514.squirrel@_default_> It there a way to stop students from changing their background desktop settings? Thanks, Jerome Edwards Leonard ISD From haysja at sages.us Fri Oct 1 16:45:21 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 11:45:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office on Windows Message-ID: <415D89A1.7000207@sages.us> This is probably the wrong forum to ask this question, but here goes anyway...... Is anyone using Open Office as a primary office suite on Windows at the high school level? (We are considering a switch from MS Office to OOo - or even Star Office.) If so, do you teach it in your computer classes? What textbook, if any, do you use? TIA. From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Oct 1 17:13:03 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 10:13:03 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office on Windows In-Reply-To: <415D89A1.7000207@sages.us> References: <415D89A1.7000207@sages.us> Message-ID: <415D901F.5050805@paasda.org> If I were still the classroom teacher of computer apps, I would be using OO.(full network admin now instead). I had purchased 1 copy of each of the books from the Calc,Writer, Presenter, and one that was an Essesntials Compendium of all three together. They books were well written(by the doc lady who did Star Office's I believe). I can't find the website and my feable google'n attempt didn't come up with a recognizable hit. I can ask our librarian to get the ISBN numbers if you like. --Huck (taught MS-Office for 4 years...OO would be a much much easier suite to teach even with NO books, as the menu'ing system is MUCH more intuitive) Jim Hays wrote: > This is probably the wrong forum to ask this question, but here goes > anyway...... > > Is anyone using Open Office as a primary office suite on Windows at > the high school level? (We are considering a switch from MS Office to > OOo - or even Star Office.) If so, do you teach it in your computer > classes? What textbook, if any, do you use? > > TIA. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From kurt at kurt-harlan.net Fri Oct 1 17:07:28 2004 From: kurt at kurt-harlan.net (Kurt Harlan) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 10:07:28 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] flushing out my backlog... testing for version 4.11 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5F956C20-13CC-11D9-A956-00306542DC76@kurt-harlan.net> I agree WHOLEHEARTEDLY with Jim and Eric's comments. Please continue to use your good judgement with K12LTSP. Kurt Harlan Mulino, OR --------------- On Oct 1, 2004, at 9:00 AM, Jim Hays wrote: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 10:30:46 -0500 > From: Jim Hays > Eric > > The K12LTSP distribution is fine the way it is. If someone else wants > to add these packages to a different "flavor" of Linux, more power to > them. I am an educator - who just happens to be interested in > computers > and hence I became technology coordinator. I love the fact that this > is > an "all-in-one" package. I don't want to play Linux politics and argue > one "flavor" against another. You chose RedHat - which became Fedora - > and that is fine. > > Most of us in K12 need a complete distribution like this. We don't > want > to - don't have time for - don't need to -..... install Linux and then > put K12LTSP on top of that. Most of use are coming from Windows > servers > and don't have a great deal of experience with Linux. We need to be > able to put a few CDs in and have an inclusive install. > > K12LTSP is a beautiful distribution. It somply WORKS and works well. > As Eric says below, there is no reason to start over from scratch. > > Thank you, Eric, for all you do and for sharing your expertise, wisdom, > and hard work with us. I am very grateful for the distibution that you > have put together. > > Long Live K12LTSP !!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > > Eric Harrison wrote: > >> On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 08:09, David Trask wrote: >> >> >>> "Support list for opensource software in schools." >>> on >>> Friday, October 1, 2004 at 10:06 AM +0000 wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Then you could install your choice of redhat/fedora >>>> whitebox/centos (sometimes dictated by which works on your >>>> hardware) and give one more command to turn it into k12ltsp. >>>> >>>> >>> Hmmmm....also a good point, but I think a bit much to ask Eric to >>> do....would anyone else be interested in taking Eric's packages and >>> setting them up in this manner? >>> >>> >> >> First, the fewer steps the better. For every additional step we add, >> we lose part of our target audience (those with no Linux experience). >> >> But we can have our cake and eat it too. Meta packages work reasonably >> well for dealing with the dependencies. All of my config scripts have >> already been split out, the installer itself just runs: >> >> /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/K12Linux-LTSP-initialize >> >> So much of this has already been done, and is currently being >> implemented. >> >> Don't forget the other part of my initial post: rather than >> re-inventing >> the wheel here, we should be pushing as much as possible up-stream. >> The >> work required to make the K12LTSP packages work on any arbitrary >> distro >> would be much better spent working Jim on ltspcfg. >> >> -Eric >> >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> -- From nbs at sonic.net Fri Oct 1 17:17:22 2004 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 10:17:22 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office on Windows In-Reply-To: <415D901F.5050805@paasda.org> References: <415D89A1.7000207@sages.us> <415D901F.5050805@paasda.org> Message-ID: <20041001171722.GE18500@sonic.net> On Fri, Oct 01, 2004 at 10:13:03AM -0700, Huck wrote: > If I were still the classroom teacher of computer apps, I would be using > OO.(full network admin now instead). > I had purchased 1 copy of each of the books from the Calc,Writer, > Presenter, and one that was an Essesntials Compendium of all three together. > They books were well written(by the doc lady who did Star Office's I > believe). > I can't find the website and my feable google'n attempt didn't come up > with a recognizable hit. This one? http://nerdbooks.com/item.php?id=0596008260 Looks like an O'Reilly book. Doing a Google on the author's name comes up with: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/au/1899 Which says: "Jean Hollis Weber has a Master of Science degree [...] She maintains several web sites, including one for technical editors and one about OpenOffice.org." Here's her OOo site: http://www.taming-openoffice-org.com/ Enjoy! -bill! From haysja at sages.us Fri Oct 1 17:36:43 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 12:36:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office on Windows In-Reply-To: <415D901F.5050805@paasda.org> References: <415D89A1.7000207@sages.us> <415D901F.5050805@paasda.org> Message-ID: <415D95AB.7020803@sages.us> I would defintely like the ISBN numbers for those books if you don't mind. Thanks for the info. Huck wrote: > If I were still the classroom teacher of computer apps, I would be > using OO.(full network admin now instead). > I had purchased 1 copy of each of the books from the Calc,Writer, > Presenter, and one that was an Essesntials Compendium of all three > together. > They books were well written(by the doc lady who did Star Office's I > believe). > I can't find the website and my feable google'n attempt didn't come up > with a recognizable hit. > > I can ask our librarian to get the ISBN numbers if you like. > > --Huck > (taught MS-Office for 4 years...OO would be a much much easier suite > to teach even with NO books, as the menu'ing system is MUCH more > intuitive) > > > Jim Hays wrote: > >> This is probably the wrong forum to ask this question, but here goes >> anyway...... >> >> Is anyone using Open Office as a primary office suite on Windows at >> the high school level? (We are considering a switch from MS Office >> to OOo - or even Star Office.) If so, do you teach it in your >> computer classes? What textbook, if any, do you use? >> >> TIA. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Oct 1 17:53:38 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 13:53:38 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Help! (a little desperate) Message-ID: <415D99A2.2060804@inlandlakes.org> Wow... Things have been going great this year, our entire district is using thin clients. Here's a very brief breakdown of how things are running: 1 Server handles DNS, TFTP, DHCP, NIS 1 Server handles NFS (/home), SMB 1 Server handles LTSP (running 4.0.1, but the TFTP and DHCP are farmed out to the other server) For some reason, I've had 2 major "glitches" this year. Last week, eth0 (where clients connect) just quit responding. The server appeared fine, but 10.10.10.10 was not pingable. After a brief panic, I just ran ifdown eth0, and ifup eth0 -- and I've had no problems until today. They started right after I left for lunch, of course. Today, the LTSP server quit responding altogether. When going to the console, I couldn't even get THAT to come up. I power cycled the machine, and everything has come up just peachy -- BUT I'm very worried now. I'm getting some "I told you so's" from the staff, who accused me that putting all my eggs in one basket was a bad idea, and with linux you get what you pay for, etc, etc, etc... My question? Where do I start looking for some problems? I've read just about every bit of text in /var/log -- and nothing looks fishy. At 13:00, messages just stopped being written to /var/log/messages. There were no odd entries before it stopped. Are there other logs I should be checking? Perhaps after school today, I'll take the server down and run memtest... Especially during this first year, I need close to 100% uptime, and I've had bad luck so far. -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Oct 1 18:09:17 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 14:09:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Crossover office In-Reply-To: <016b01c4a7f5$ecf23960$0200a8c0@harekrishna.school.nz> References: <016b01c4a7f5$ecf23960$0200a8c0@harekrishna.school.nz> Message-ID: <415D9D4D.1060106@cmosnetworks.com> Krsnendu wrote: > I am considering my options of Crossover office vs Win Server 2003 for > our school. We can get licences for Win Server 2003 quite cheap, but > it would be easier to manage if we only had one server to maintain. > > It also comes down to costs. The educational pricing for Crossover > office is $52 where as the server version is $1500 for 25 licences. > > > > If I install Crossover office professional on my K12LTSP server, will > all the clients be able to concurrently access it? Or would I have to > get the server version? > > > > If we can use Crossover office Professional that would be the > preferred soln, if we had to pay for the server version for concurrent > access then WS2003 would obviously be a better solution. > > We can get it for about (annual) $65 server licence, $6.50 each > terminal licence. We get Office XP for free. > > > > Any advice? > > > Go for it. I am currently an "advocate" for Xover Office, specifically the Time Matters app, and thus I get the beta copies. CrossOver Professional great with K12LTSP and multiple simultaneous users, and I know this because that's what I test it on. :-) I find it way, way more efficient than any version of Windows Terminal Server, despite Microsoft's marketing claims. For that reason, you won't need nearly the server farm with CrossOver Office (any version, Server included) that you'll need with Windows Terminal Server, for the same amount of users. Thus, you save big time on the costs for the physical servers. HOWEVER.... You will need to pay for each user concurrently using CrossOver Professional. Yes, the software will let you "get away" with it w/o paying, but that's software piracy and not fair to CodeWeavers. For 25 users, that's $1300. Note that the aforementioned reduced hardware cost for servers will more than equal out any initial price difference between the Microsoft solution and that of K12LTSP/CodeWeavers, so you actually spend *less* with the latter, not more. The following question is also raised: is classroom instruction time, or time spent maintaining computers, more valuable to the Powers That Be? Speaking of price, I'd love to know how you're getting MS Office XP for free. Our district sure doesn't, so if you'd be willing, could you provide me with the contact info for your contract negotiatiors (off-list for this is fine)? I'd like to pass this on to the folks who negotiate our contracts. Yes, I'm dead serious; we could conceivably save a lot of money on our MS Office bill with whatever your district did...again, if you'd be comfortable sharing this. --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Oct 1 18:11:10 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 14:11:10 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Help! (a little desperate) In-Reply-To: <415D99A2.2060804@inlandlakes.org> References: <415D99A2.2060804@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <415D9DBE.2050107@inlandlakes.org> Shawn Powers wrote: > Wow... And again... Just froze up solid. Man, for a Friday, today is pretty cruddy... -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Oct 1 18:16:18 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 14:16:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Help! (a little desperate) In-Reply-To: <415D99A2.2060804@inlandlakes.org> References: <415D99A2.2060804@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <415D9EF2.7070207@cmosnetworks.com> Shawn Powers wrote: > Wow... > > Things have been going great this year, our entire district is using > thin clients. Here's a very brief breakdown of how things are running: > > 1 Server handles DNS, TFTP, DHCP, NIS > 1 Server handles NFS (/home), SMB > 1 Server handles LTSP (running 4.0.1, but the TFTP and DHCP are farmed > out to the other server) > > For some reason, I've had 2 major "glitches" this year. > > Last week, eth0 (where clients connect) just quit responding. The > server appeared fine, but 10.10.10.10 was not pingable. After a brief > panic, I just ran ifdown eth0, and ifup eth0 -- and I've had no > problems until today. They started right after I left for lunch, of > course. > > Today, the LTSP server quit responding altogether. When going to the > console, I couldn't even get THAT to come up. I power cycled the > machine, and everything has come up just peachy -- BUT I'm very > worried now. > > I'm getting some "I told you so's" from the staff, who accused me that > putting all my eggs in one basket was a bad idea, and with linux you > get what you pay for, etc, etc, etc... > > My question? Where do I start looking for some problems? I've read > just about every bit of text in /var/log -- and nothing looks fishy. > At 13:00, messages just stopped being written to /var/log/messages. > There were no odd entries before it stopped. > > Are there other logs I should be checking? Perhaps after school > today, I'll take the server down and run memtest... Especially during > this first year, I need close to 100% uptime, and I've had bad luck so > far. > > > Tell us about your server hardware, and the more info, the better. What you're describing sounds suspiciously like something I ran into with one of my PC's. Oddly enough, switching cases (!!) fixed the problem. It wasn't a GNU/Linux issue, because the same thing happened with Windows XP, FreeBSD, and OpenBSD on this same box. The box would just randomly freeze, and it could be one day or four weeks between such freezes. A power-cycle would fix things...for a while. Eventually even that wouldn't do it, so I swapped mobos, CPUs, hard disks, SCSI controllers, NICs, even power supplies. My fix makes no sense at all to me other than that there may have been some kind of short that I missed. But then, I put a new mobo in this same case, and Bam! it happened again. That case is now in the recycle heap. :-) What you're describing sounds to me like a probable hardware issue, unrelated to GNU/Linux itself. Too many people have had success with Fedora to tell me that it's a "Linux issue." --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From pvdw at criticalcontrol.com Fri Oct 1 18:16:39 2004 From: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com (Pete) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 12:16:39 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Help! (a little desperate) In-Reply-To: <415D99A2.2060804@inlandlakes.org> References: <415D99A2.2060804@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <415D9F07.2040309@criticalcontrol.com> Shawn Powers wrote: > Wow... > > Things have been going great this year, our entire district is using > thin clients. Here's a very brief breakdown of how things are running: > > 1 Server handles DNS, TFTP, DHCP, NIS > 1 Server handles NFS (/home), SMB > 1 Server handles LTSP (running 4.0.1, but the TFTP and DHCP are farmed > out to the other server) > > For some reason, I've had 2 major "glitches" this year. > > Last week, eth0 (where clients connect) just quit responding. The > server appeared fine, but 10.10.10.10 was not pingable. After a brief > panic, I just ran ifdown eth0, and ifup eth0 -- and I've had no > problems until today. They started right after I left for lunch, of > course. > > Today, the LTSP server quit responding altogether. When going to the > console, I couldn't even get THAT to come up. I power cycled the > machine, and everything has come up just peachy -- BUT I'm very > worried now. > > I'm getting some "I told you so's" from the staff, who accused me that > putting all my eggs in one basket was a bad idea, and with linux you > get what you pay for, etc, etc, etc... > > My question? Where do I start looking for some problems? I've read > just about every bit of text in /var/log -- and nothing looks fishy. > At 13:00, messages just stopped being written to /var/log/messages. > There were no odd entries before it stopped. > > Are there other logs I should be checking? Perhaps after school > today, I'll take the server down and run memtest... Especially during > this first year, I need close to 100% uptime, and I've had bad luck so > far. > > > That's one of those things... all is fine and suddenly ... BOOM ! I have seen this (too) many times before, a couple tips : run a check for badblocks on the harddisk(s). Change your logging, If it is the disk/controller that goes bad, the system isn't able to write to the logs to report the failure... You can have your syslogs going to another server (the NFS one for example) Use some resource monitoring tool to keep an eye on processor/memory usage. Where is the network load/processor/memory (incl swap) at seconds before the system went down? As said, I have seen this before, in most cases it was either the harddisk or the controller that went (slowly) bad. In one case it was the NIC, bad NICs can start 'sending' random bits over the lines. If nobody is connected to the LTS, is the NIC still 'sending' stuff, or is it all quite? Good luck Peter -- Any technology distinguishable from foodoo-magic is insufficiently advanced. Peter Van den Wildenbergh CriticalControl Solutions Inc. Bow Valley Square II Suite 2400 205 - 5th avenue SW Calgary, AB T2P 2V7 T 403.705.7500 F 403.705.7555 From pvdw at criticalcontrol.com Fri Oct 1 18:17:30 2004 From: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com (Pete) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 12:17:30 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Help! (a little desperate) In-Reply-To: <415D9DBE.2050107@inlandlakes.org> References: <415D99A2.2060804@inlandlakes.org> <415D9DBE.2050107@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <415D9F3A.50609@criticalcontrol.com> Shawn Powers wrote: > Shawn Powers wrote: > >> Wow... > > > And again... Just froze up solid. Man, for a Friday, today is pretty > cruddy... > > -Shawn > In my opinion... blame the HARDWARE. -- Any technology distinguishable from foodoo-magic is insufficiently advanced. Peter Van den Wildenbergh CriticalControl Solutions Inc. Bow Valley Square II Suite 2400 205 - 5th avenue SW Calgary, AB T2P 2V7 T 403.705.7500 F 403.705.7555 From les at futuresource.com Fri Oct 1 18:14:50 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 13:14:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] flushing out my backlog... testing for version 4.1.1, =?ISO-8859-1?Q? followed_?= In-Reply-To: <1096643836.16122.64.camel@server.ltsp> References: < > <1096639608.17728.28.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1096643836.16122.64.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <1096654490.17978.17.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 10:17, Eric Harrison wrote: > > > > Hmmmm....also a good point, but I think a bit much to ask Eric to > > do....would anyone else be interested in taking Eric's packages and > > setting them up in this manner? > > First, the fewer steps the better. For every additional step we add, > we lose part of our target audience (those with no Linux experience). > > But we can have our cake and eat it too. Meta packages work reasonably > well for dealing with the dependencies. All of my config scripts have > already been split out, the installer itself just runs: > > /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/K12Linux-LTSP-initialize Yes, I'm not complaining about the current setup or even suggesting that the canned ISOs for the most popular distribution should be discontinued. I just think it might be much less work in the long run to tweak the packaging so the same thing works across all the redhat-style distros. I can't think of any differences among them that would prevent a single package from working on all (although a lot of little gotcha's wouldn't surprise me). Aside from being able to use it on hardware that doesn't like the current favorite distro, there would then only be one set of packages to maintain in the update repository. Most of you probably haven't maintained a Linux server the 'hard' way and may not realize the enormous value that that the automatic update repository provides or how much extra work it is to deal with packages that don't match a repository. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dyioulos at firstbhph.com Fri Oct 1 18:19:55 2004 From: dyioulos at firstbhph.com (Dimitri Yioulos) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 14:19:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Help! (a little desperate) In-Reply-To: <415D9EF2.7070207@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <200410011812.i91ICsx9022603@mail1.firstbhph.com> -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Terrell Prud?, Jr. Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 1:16 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Server Help! (a little desperate) Shawn Powers wrote: > Wow... > > Things have been going great this year, our entire district is using > thin clients. Here's a very brief breakdown of how things are running: > > 1 Server handles DNS, TFTP, DHCP, NIS > 1 Server handles NFS (/home), SMB > 1 Server handles LTSP (running 4.0.1, but the TFTP and DHCP are farmed > out to the other server) > > For some reason, I've had 2 major "glitches" this year. > > Last week, eth0 (where clients connect) just quit responding. The > server appeared fine, but 10.10.10.10 was not pingable. After a brief > panic, I just ran ifdown eth0, and ifup eth0 -- and I've had no > problems until today. They started right after I left for lunch, of > course. > > Today, the LTSP server quit responding altogether. When going to the > console, I couldn't even get THAT to come up. I power cycled the > machine, and everything has come up just peachy -- BUT I'm very > worried now. > > I'm getting some "I told you so's" from the staff, who accused me that > putting all my eggs in one basket was a bad idea, and with linux you > get what you pay for, etc, etc, etc... > > My question? Where do I start looking for some problems? I've read > just about every bit of text in /var/log -- and nothing looks fishy. > At 13:00, messages just stopped being written to /var/log/messages. > There were no odd entries before it stopped. > > Are there other logs I should be checking? Perhaps after school > today, I'll take the server down and run memtest... Especially during > this first year, I need close to 100% uptime, and I've had bad luck so > far. > > > Tell us about your server hardware, and the more info, the better. What you're describing sounds suspiciously like something I ran into with one of my PC's. Oddly enough, switching cases (!!) fixed the problem. It wasn't a GNU/Linux issue, because the same thing happened with Windows XP, FreeBSD, and OpenBSD on this same box. The box would just randomly freeze, and it could be one day or four weeks between such freezes. A power-cycle would fix things...for a while. Eventually even that wouldn't do it, so I swapped mobos, CPUs, hard disks, SCSI controllers, NICs, even power supplies. My fix makes no sense at all to me other than that there may have been some kind of short that I missed. But then, I put a new mobo in this same case, and Bam! it happened again. That case is now in the recycle heap. :-) What you're describing sounds to me like a probable hardware issue, unrelated to GNU/Linux itself. Too many people have had success with Fedora to tell me that it's a "Linux issue." --TP Yes, more info. would be useful. As you can imagine, there are many conceivable reasons for your problem. I once encountered this due to a CPU that was overheating. Changed the CPU fan, all was good. Diggy From glessard at coll-outao.qc.ca Fri Oct 1 18:28:31 2004 From: glessard at coll-outao.qc.ca (Guy Lessard) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 14:28:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Help! (a little desperate) In-Reply-To: <415D9DBE.2050107@inlandlakes.org> References: <415D99A2.2060804@inlandlakes.org> <415D9DBE.2050107@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <415DA1CF.4010201@coll-outao.qc.ca> Shawn Powers wrote: > Shawn Powers wrote: > >> Wow... > > > And again... Just froze up solid. Man, for a Friday, today is pretty > cruddy... > > -Shawn > Maybe checkout basic things like: Blow out the dirt from the CPU fan, make sure it works In the BIOS, you can monitor the temperature of the cpu and other components Can you monitor the cpu voltages (datalogging) Yes, run memtest on your RAM See that all pci boards are properly seated Did you recently added a new or updated software/daemon? From jam at mcquil.com Fri Oct 1 18:33:45 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 14:33:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Server Help! (a little desperate) In-Reply-To: <415DA1CF.4010201@coll-outao.qc.ca> References: <415D99A2.2060804@inlandlakes.org> <415D9DBE.2050107@inlandlakes.org> <415DA1CF.4010201@coll-outao.qc.ca> Message-ID: On Fri, 1 Oct 2004, Guy Lessard wrote: > Shawn Powers wrote: > > > Shawn Powers wrote: > > > > > Wow... > > > > > > And again... Just froze up solid. Man, for a Friday, today is pretty > > cruddy... > > > > -Shawn > > > Maybe checkout basic things like: > Blow out the dirt from the CPU fan, make sure it works > In the BIOS, you can monitor the temperature of the cpu and other components > Can you monitor the cpu voltages (datalogging) > Yes, run memtest on your RAM > See that all pci boards are properly seated I've seen many instances where a flakey system was fixed by re-seating all of the boards and ram. Definately worth a try. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Oct 1 18:42:22 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 14:42:22 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Help! (a little desperate) In-Reply-To: <415DA1CF.4010201@coll-outao.qc.ca> References: <415D99A2.2060804@inlandlakes.org> <415D9DBE.2050107@inlandlakes.org> <415DA1CF.4010201@coll-outao.qc.ca> Message-ID: <415DA50E.6030706@inlandlakes.org> (At the console here... 1/2 hour left till my staff leaves, just crossing my fingers until then...) My current plan is to take copy everything over to a second exactly identical server that I have in the rack. I bought (4) total this past summer, with the plan to set up application servers if the need arises. It gives me the advantage that I have identical hardware sitting in front of me. I could just swap the drives from the array, and put them into the 2nd server, but if it's indeed a hard drive issue, that won't help much. Any way to torture test my server once I have the second one set up? I don't really want to wait for a district's worth of staff members to test it on Monday... Oh, specs: HP G3 Rackmount server -Dual 3.2 Xeon CPUs, 2MB cache -ULTRA320 RAID (the 641 card) and 4 ultra320 36GB drives in RAID5 -6GB system RAM (only using 4GB, didnt' want to experiment with the bigmem kernel) -/home mounted via gigabit NFS on a separate isolated gig switch (my "network backplane") -dual embedded gig ethernet ports (using the tg3 kernel module) The only recent change I made, is that I mounted a windows 2003 server share onto /mnt/sds -- so that I could create a symlink into a staffmember's folder. In case it's an issue with that, I have unmounted that share. Has anyone heard of a mounted smb share causing such things? Thanks for brainstorming with me. Ironically, next week I present at a conference about our current setup. This weekend may add a few slides to the presentation. :) -Shawn From gumprechtm at msln.net Fri Oct 1 18:45:03 2004 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 14:45:03 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Help! (a little desperate) In-Reply-To: <415D9DBE.2050107@inlandlakes.org> References: <415D99A2.2060804@inlandlakes.org> <415D9DBE.2050107@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <415DA5AF.3060203@msln.net> Sounds like a glitch in hardware, Just went through a glitchy problem with a dell server. No concrete faults in diags, but ended up replacing the mother board(precautionary), main memory(definitely bad), and raid key/memory, (probable). Mark Shawn Powers wrote: > Shawn Powers wrote: > >> Wow... > > > And again... Just froze up solid. Man, for a Friday, today is pretty > cruddy... > > -Shawn > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD#3 Unity, Maine 04988 Gumprechtm at msln.net From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Oct 1 18:52:44 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 14:52:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Help! (a little desperate) In-Reply-To: <415DA1CF.4010201@coll-outao.qc.ca> References: <415D99A2.2060804@inlandlakes.org> <415D9DBE.2050107@inlandlakes.org> <415DA1CF.4010201@coll-outao.qc.ca> Message-ID: <415DA77C.7060202@inlandlakes.org> Guy Lessard wrote: > Did you recently added a new or updated software/daemon? Just thought of one more addition I did today -- I have been trying to get a USB keydrive to work on my thin client. Not sure how or if that could effect the server, but wanted to toss it in there. -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Fri Oct 1 18:55:27 2004 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 11:55:27 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Crossover office In-Reply-To: <415D9D4D.1060106@cmosnetworks.com> References: <016b01c4a7f5$ecf23960$0200a8c0@harekrishna.school.nz> <415D9D4D.1060106@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: I'm interested in: 1) Has it been your experience that an LTSP server, already configured and running a certain number of workstations with OpenOffice, Mozilla, etc., needs any additional power or memory when you add Crossover Office? 2) Are there any configuration tweaks to installing Crossover Office on and LTSP-configured server? Steve On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 14:09:17 -0400, Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > > > Krsnendu wrote: > > > I am considering my options of Crossover office vs Win Server 2003 for > > our school. We can get licences for Win Server 2003 quite cheap, but > > it would be easier to manage if we only had one server to maintain. > > > > It also comes down to costs. The educational pricing for Crossover > > office is $52 where as the server version is $1500 for 25 licences. > > > > > > > > If I install Crossover office professional on my K12LTSP server, will > > all the clients be able to concurrently access it? Or would I have to > > get the server version? > > > > > > > > If we can use Crossover office Professional that would be the > > preferred soln, if we had to pay for the server version for concurrent > > access then WS2003 would obviously be a better solution. > > > > We can get it for about (annual) $65 server licence, $6.50 each > > terminal licence. We get Office XP for free. > > > > > > > > Any advice? > > > > > > > > Go for it. I am currently an "advocate" for Xover Office, specifically > the Time Matters app, and thus I get the beta copies. CrossOver > Professional great with K12LTSP and multiple simultaneous users, and I > know this because that's what I test it on. :-) I find it way, way > more efficient than any version of Windows Terminal Server, despite > Microsoft's marketing claims. For that reason, you won't need nearly > the server farm with CrossOver Office (any version, Server included) > that you'll need with Windows Terminal Server, for the same amount of > users. Thus, you save big time on the costs for the physical servers. > > HOWEVER.... > > You will need to pay for each user concurrently using CrossOver > Professional. Yes, the software will let you "get away" with it w/o > paying, but that's software piracy and not fair to CodeWeavers. For 25 > users, that's $1300. Note that the aforementioned reduced hardware cost > for servers will more than equal out any initial price difference > between the Microsoft solution and that of K12LTSP/CodeWeavers, so you > actually spend *less* with the latter, not more. The following question > is also raised: is classroom instruction time, or time spent > maintaining computers, more valuable to the Powers That Be? > > Speaking of price, I'd love to know how you're getting MS Office XP for > free. Our district sure doesn't, so if you'd be willing, could you > provide me with the contact info for your contract negotiatiors > (off-list for this is fine)? I'd like to pass this on to the folks who > negotiate our contracts. Yes, I'm dead serious; we could conceivably > save a lot of money on our MS Office bill with whatever your district > did...again, if you'd be comfortable sharing this. > > --TP > _____________________ > Do you GNU!? > Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it > out! > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Steve Hargadon 916-652-8600 ext. 711 From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Oct 1 18:56:39 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 14:56:39 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Monitoring Servers Message-ID: <415DA867.2010002@inlandlakes.org> Ok, this thread is directly related to my "cry for help" thread. Is there a "howto" or something similar that a kind soul could point me to regarding monitoring the heck out of a server? After today, I want to know exactly what, where, when, and how about every bit of data I can. Am I looking for snmp? I've never set snmp up, but is that the method I'll get the best monitoring info from? Thanks for any pointers yet again, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Oct 1 19:00:40 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 12:00:40 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office on Windows In-Reply-To: <20041001171722.GE18500@sonic.net> References: <415D89A1.7000207@sages.us> <415D901F.5050805@paasda.org> <20041001171722.GE18500@sonic.net> Message-ID: <415DA958.7000801@paasda.org> Found it... http://www.getopenoffice.org/workbooks.html Enjoy.. --Huck From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Oct 1 19:09:36 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 15:09:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Help! (a little desperate) In-Reply-To: <415DA77C.7060202@inlandlakes.org> References: <415D99A2.2060804@inlandlakes.org> < > <415D9DBE.2050107@inlandlakes.org> < > <415DA1CF.4010201@coll-outao.qc.ca> <415DA77C.7060202@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: Just adding one more thing to check as it happened to me.....how much space is left in the / (root) partition? I had a logging situation last year (bonehead mistake) that crashed my Samba/LDAP server for the very same reason....the / partition was full and could not accept anymore writes....thus things stopped working. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From haysja at sages.us Fri Oct 1 19:01:27 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 14:01:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office on Windows In-Reply-To: <415DA958.7000801@paasda.org> References: <415D89A1.7000207@sages.us> <415D901F.5050805@paasda.org> <20041001171722.GE18500@sonic.net> <415DA958.7000801@paasda.org> Message-ID: <415DA987.5030908@sages.us> Thank you. Huck wrote: > Found it... > > http://www.getopenoffice.org/workbooks.html > > Enjoy.. > > --Huck > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Oct 1 19:11:24 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 15:11:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Crossover office In-Reply-To: <415CB783.5030109@netscape.net> References: <016b01c4a7f5$ecf23960$0200a8c0@harekrishna.school.nz> <415CB783.5030109@netscape.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, September 30, 2004 at 9:48 PM +0000 wrote: >$1500 for 25 licences. Holy crap! who are you buying from? I bought 100 Terminal Server licenses for $400! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Oct 1 19:14:54 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 15:14:54 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Crossover office In-Reply-To: <415CB783.5030109@netscape.net> References: <016b01c4a7f5$ecf23960$0200a8c0@harekrishna.school.nz> <415CB783.5030109@netscape.net> Message-ID: David Trask on Friday, October 1, 2004 at 3:11 PM +0000 wrote: >Holy crap! who are you buying from? I bought 100 Terminal Server >licenses for $400! Whoops....after more careful reading I realized your were talking about Crossover Office Terminal Server Edition....I meant that I bought Win2003 Term Server licenses for $400.....oops! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From haysja at sages.us Fri Oct 1 19:14:35 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 14:14:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Crossover office In-Reply-To: References: <016b01c4a7f5$ecf23960$0200a8c0@harekrishna.school.nz> <415CB783.5030109@netscape.net> Message-ID: <415DAC9B.4000602@sages.us> I still don't think you got 100 Terminal Services Licenses for $400. 100 CALS for 2003 server, maybe. Not 100 Terminal Services CALS. Where did you get these? I can find many, many, many customers for this comany if there are really selling TSCALs for $4 each. David Trask wrote: >David Trask on Friday, October 1, 2004 at 3:11 PM +0000 wrote: > > >>Holy crap! who are you buying from? I bought 100 Terminal Server >>licenses for $400! >> >> >Whoops....after more careful reading I realized your were talking about >Crossover Office Terminal Server Edition....I meant that I bought Win2003 >Term Server licenses for $400.....oops! > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >(207)923-3100 > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From mll at mtwp.k12.pa.us Fri Oct 1 19:21:22 2004 From: mll at mtwp.k12.pa.us (Mike Lichtenwalner) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 15:21:22 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] NECC 2005 Message-ID: <415DAE32.8020304@mtwp.k12.pa.us> It was just brought to my attention that NECC 2005 will be held in Philadelphia (relatively close to home!), and presentation proposals are due by October 6 (very soon). Has anyone submitted proposals related to K12LTSP? If so, I'll let one of you "big guns" take it. If not, I might submit a proposal so that we can continue to spread the good word about K12LTSP. Mike _________________________________ Mike Lichtenwalner Technology Specialist Manheim Township School District Lancaster, PA From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Oct 1 19:23:05 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 15:23:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Crossover office In-Reply-To: References: <016b01c4a7f5$ecf23960$0200a8c0@harekrishna.school.nz> <415D9D4D.1060106@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <415DAE99.1050208@cmosnetworks.com> Not in my experience. What I looked for was evidence of shared code being used by multiple users, a'la Mozilla or OO.o. I did see that evidence. The WINE libraries appear to get loaded once. From what it looks like, something similar happens when you load MS Office XP. So, it appears to behaving the same as other apps generally do on GNU/Linux. What appears to matter is how many apps you have open in the first place, be they Win32 or native, so if you've got 25 people loading all of OO.o, MS Office, The GIMP, Mozilla, etc., then you're going to want to look at large DRAM. DISCLAIMER: I do not run this in production. I am a beta tester, and I test this in my spare time at home. No special tweaks that I noticed to installing Xover on a LTSP server, other than adding the path to Xover to your /etc/skel files. That of course assumes that you want to do "Start"/Run and type "winword.exe". --TP Steve Hargadon wrote: >I'm interested in: > >1) Has it been your experience that an LTSP server, already >configured and running a certain number of workstations with >OpenOffice, Mozilla, etc., needs any additional power or memory when >you add Crossover Office? > >2) Are there any configuration tweaks to installing Crossover Office >on and LTSP-configured server? > >Steve > > >On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 14:09:17 -0400, Terrell Prud?, Jr. > wrote: > > >>Krsnendu wrote: >> >> >> >>>I am considering my options of Crossover office vs Win Server 2003 for >>>our school. We can get licences for Win Server 2003 quite cheap, but >>>it would be easier to manage if we only had one server to maintain. >>> >>>It also comes down to costs. The educational pricing for Crossover >>>office is $52 where as the server version is $1500 for 25 licences. >>> >>> >>> >>>If I install Crossover office professional on my K12LTSP server, will >>>all the clients be able to concurrently access it? Or would I have to >>>get the server version? >>> >>> >>> >>>If we can use Crossover office Professional that would be the >>>preferred soln, if we had to pay for the server version for concurrent >>>access then WS2003 would obviously be a better solution. >>> >>>We can get it for about (annual) $65 server licence, $6.50 each >>>terminal licence. We get Office XP for free. >>> >>> >>> >>>Any advice? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Go for it. I am currently an "advocate" for Xover Office, specifically >>the Time Matters app, and thus I get the beta copies. CrossOver >>Professional great with K12LTSP and multiple simultaneous users, and I >>know this because that's what I test it on. :-) I find it way, way >>more efficient than any version of Windows Terminal Server, despite >>Microsoft's marketing claims. For that reason, you won't need nearly >>the server farm with CrossOver Office (any version, Server included) >>that you'll need with Windows Terminal Server, for the same amount of >>users. Thus, you save big time on the costs for the physical servers. >> >>HOWEVER.... >> >>You will need to pay for each user concurrently using CrossOver >>Professional. Yes, the software will let you "get away" with it w/o >>paying, but that's software piracy and not fair to CodeWeavers. For 25 >>users, that's $1300. Note that the aforementioned reduced hardware cost >>for servers will more than equal out any initial price difference >>between the Microsoft solution and that of K12LTSP/CodeWeavers, so you >>actually spend *less* with the latter, not more. The following question >>is also raised: is classroom instruction time, or time spent >>maintaining computers, more valuable to the Powers That Be? >> >>Speaking of price, I'd love to know how you're getting MS Office XP for >>free. Our district sure doesn't, so if you'd be willing, could you >>provide me with the contact info for your contract negotiatiors >>(off-list for this is fine)? I'd like to pass this on to the folks who >>negotiate our contracts. Yes, I'm dead serious; we could conceivably >>save a lot of money on our MS Office bill with whatever your district >>did...again, if you'd be comfortable sharing this. >> >>--TP >>_____________________ >>Do you GNU!? >>Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it >>out! >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > > > > > -- _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From pantz at lqt.ca Fri Oct 1 19:23:19 2004 From: pantz at lqt.ca (Paul Pianta) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 15:23:19 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] flushing out my backlog... testing for version 4.1.1, followed by 3.2.0, then a 4.2.0 test build In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <415DAEA7.2040902@lqt.ca> Eric Harrison wrote: >On Thu, 30 Sep 2004, Chris Thomas wrote: > > > >>What are some of the differences between Centos and >>WBEL besides the sync times? >> > > >Another big plus for Centos is that some of the people >on this list are also on the Centos lists. There does >not appear to be much cross-pollination between K12LTSP >and WB. > > I am one of those busy cross-pollinating bees :) I was in the market for a new os after fedora didn't really suit my needs and so it came down to a choice between the RHEL clones. I made my choice based on subscribing to each mailing list for 2 weeks and following the discussions. WBEL mailing list has ALOT more traffic than any of the others (eg. CentOS, Lineox, TaoLinux, ...) and so my decision was an easy one. The only problem I see with WBEL at the moment is that it *also* seems to be pretty much a one man show - and at the moment that show seems to be a bit overloaded. There have been some recent updates that have taken a while, after the RHEL release, before showing up on the WB mirrors. I think WB is considering a CD respin for the latest U3 updates from RHEL so that the recent SATA support in the latest kernel is integrated into the installation procedure ... so that could be what is slowing things down over there. Or maybe its just that John Morris doesn't actually wear a flowing red cape - and that he is a guy like any of us with lots of real life things to do outside of WB. Oh yeah - CentOS colors were obviously chosen by a *talented* graphic designer. In other words - someone that can write really good code - but shouldn't go anywhere near that gimp color palette ;) Hope this helps clear up some questions about the RHEL clones ... pantz ** -- Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes ... That way when you do criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes! From HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG Fri Oct 1 19:37:14 2004 From: HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Burroughs, Henry) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 15:37:14 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Crossover office Message-ID: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D78420073F28@hhpmail.MEDIA.LOCAL> I've been running Crossover for a few weeks now on my LTSP server without too many hitches (it also isn't used tooo much). I just installed it as root (using an rpm), then I did the multi-user setup option (where root creates the installation, and the other users basically run that installation). The buildrpm tool makes a good way to backup your configuration, especially if you are afraid of tainting your "perfected" installation by installing a program that might not be fully supported by WINE/Xover. I plan on getting all the students using the system by this next Friday (i've been slow moving people over b/c I have to add the Unix attributes to all of my Active Directory users... I've got my perl script ready to process, I just need to add the appropriate ldap code to modify the CNs), so I'll be able to test how well it performs. I run iexplore off the server mainly b/c of our web based gradebook (Faculty Access for the Web by Blackbaud) requires IE...hence on of the reasons to have Xover for the teachers. Anyone have any luck getting Xover sound to work in a LTSP environment? Henry Burroughs -----Original Message----- From: "Terrell Prud?, Jr." [mailto:microman at cmosnetworks.com] Sent: Fri 10/1/2004 3:23 PM To: Steve Hargadon; Support list for opensource software in schools. Cc: Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Crossover office Not in my experience. What I looked for was evidence of shared code being used by multiple users, a'la Mozilla or OO.o. I did see that evidence. The WINE libraries appear to get loaded once. From what it looks like, something similar happens when you load MS Office XP. So, it appears to behaving the same as other apps generally do on GNU/Linux. What appears to matter is how many apps you have open in the first place, be they Win32 or native, so if you've got 25 people loading all of OO.o, MS Office, The GIMP, Mozilla, etc., then you're going to want to look at large DRAM. DISCLAIMER: I do not run this in production. I am a beta tester, and I test this in my spare time at home. No special tweaks that I noticed to installing Xover on a LTSP server, other than adding the path to Xover to your /etc/skel files. That of course assumes that you want to do "Start"/Run and type "winword.exe". --TP Steve Hargadon wrote: >I'm interested in: > >1) Has it been your experience that an LTSP server, already >configured and running a certain number of workstations with >OpenOffice, Mozilla, etc., needs any additional power or memory when >you add Crossover Office? > >2) Are there any configuration tweaks to installing Crossover Office >on and LTSP-configured server? > >Steve > > >On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 14:09:17 -0400, Terrell Prud?, Jr. > wrote: > > >>Krsnendu wrote: >> >> >> >>>I am considering my options of Crossover office vs Win Server 2003 for >>>our school. We can get licences for Win Server 2003 quite cheap, but >>>it would be easier to manage if we only had one server to maintain. >>> >>>It also comes down to costs. The educational pricing for Crossover >>>office is $52 where as the server version is $1500 for 25 licences. >>> >>> >>> >>>If I install Crossover office professional on my K12LTSP server, will >>>all the clients be able to concurrently access it? Or would I have to >>>get the server version? >>> >>> >>> >>>If we can use Crossover office Professional that would be the >>>preferred soln, if we had to pay for the server version for concurrent >>>access then WS2003 would obviously be a better solution. >>> >>>We can get it for about (annual) $65 server licence, $6.50 each >>>terminal licence. We get Office XP for free. >>> >>> >>> >>>Any advice? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Go for it. I am currently an "advocate" for Xover Office, specifically >>the Time Matters app, and thus I get the beta copies. CrossOver >>Professional great with K12LTSP and multiple simultaneous users, and I >>know this because that's what I test it on. :-) I find it way, way >>more efficient than any version of Windows Terminal Server, despite >>Microsoft's marketing claims. For that reason, you won't need nearly >>the server farm with CrossOver Office (any version, Server included) >>that you'll need with Windows Terminal Server, for the same amount of >>users. Thus, you save big time on the costs for the physical servers. >> >>HOWEVER.... >> >>You will need to pay for each user concurrently using CrossOver >>Professional. Yes, the software will let you "get away" with it w/o >>paying, but that's software piracy and not fair to CodeWeavers. For 25 >>users, that's $1300. Note that the aforementioned reduced hardware cost >>for servers will more than equal out any initial price difference >>between the Microsoft solution and that of K12LTSP/CodeWeavers, so you >>actually spend *less* with the latter, not more. The following question >>is also raised: is classroom instruction time, or time spent >>maintaining computers, more valuable to the Powers That Be? >> >>Speaking of price, I'd love to know how you're getting MS Office XP for >>free. Our district sure doesn't, so if you'd be willing, could you >>provide me with the contact info for your contract negotiatiors >>(off-list for this is fine)? I'd like to pass this on to the folks who >>negotiate our contracts. Yes, I'm dead serious; we could conceivably >>save a lot of money on our MS Office bill with whatever your district >>did...again, if you'd be comfortable sharing this. >> >>--TP >>_____________________ >>Do you GNU!? >>Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it >>out! >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > > > > > -- _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 5846 bytes Desc: not available URL: From joseph.bishay at utoronto.ca Fri Oct 1 20:06:13 2004 From: joseph.bishay at utoronto.ca (Joseph Bishay) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 16:06:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] What area to restore from backup? In-Reply-To: <20041001192241.1E8AD7446B@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <415D8075.24841.DAB35@localhost> Hello, I am having a weird problem - the students have been resetting the server by hitting the reboot button. So far there hasn't been any hardware issues, but I have noticed an unusual thing: the clients are no longer responding to ctrl-alt-+/- in order to change the monitor resolution. Many of the screens have reverted to 640x480 resolution, which is rather useless. They're not responding to any changes using X_MODE_0 or anything else. It has been suggested that the rebooting has caused the files relating to client boot-up have been corrupted. I have backups using Mondo Archive, but I'd like to know what directory I need to restore. Or is it possible there is something else? I am using the Redhat 9 version of k12ltsp. Thank you kindly. Joseph From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Oct 1 20:37:43 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 16:37:43 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] What area to restore from backup? In-Reply-To: <415D8075.24841.DAB35@localhost> References: <415D8075.24841.DAB35@localhost> Message-ID: <415DC017.7060309@cmosnetworks.com> Joseph Bishay wrote: >Hello, > >I am having a weird problem - the students have been resetting the >server by hitting the reboot button. So far there hasn't been any >hardware issues, but I have noticed an unusual thing: the clients are >no longer responding to ctrl-alt-+/- in order to change the monitor >resolution. Many of the screens have reverted to 640x480 resolution, >which is rather useless. They're not responding to any changes using >X_MODE_0 or anything else. > >It has been suggested that the rebooting has caused the files >relating to client boot-up have been corrupted. I have backups using >Mondo Archive, but I'd like to know what directory I need to restore. >Or is it possible there is something else? > >I am using the Redhat 9 version of k12ltsp. > >Thank you kindly. >Joseph > > What I believe you want to restore is /opt/ltsp/i386/. That's where everything for the clients lives--settings, X11 server, and so on. I trust that the server itself behaving as expected when you sit in front of it? --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From pfaffman at gmail.com Fri Oct 1 22:00:26 2004 From: pfaffman at gmail.com (Jay Pfaffman) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 18:00:26 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Remote X Session from Windows XP Client In-Reply-To: <8F057578D21DBA4BB0CF32013A87ACED05F5C3@x-serv1.admin.jmc.ac.uk> References: <8F057578D21DBA4BB0CF32013A87ACED05F5C3@x-serv1.admin.jmc.ac.uk> Message-ID: <932609800410011500148a7c2d@mail.gmail.com> Unless X is already a part of your environment, I think what you'd rather do is use VNC. Get tightvnc and install it on your windoze machines. It can fun full-screen and is easier than configuring X. I just got the GDM stuff configured for my machine. Disable your firewall while you're debugging the other stuff. It was also unclear what was necessary to have gdm reload the config files. Finally, another solution would be to have the machines dual-boot between windows and a thin client. I've been trying to figure that one out, but I'll start another thread for that. On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 12:58:08 +0100, Luke Maslany wrote: > > > I'm a network engineer (in title, if not in pay?) at a small FE/HE college and I have been tasked with introducing Linux to the student network. While I have successfully managed to get a Linux box up and working (with quite a bit of help from this list!), it would appear that the tutors would prefer a graphical interface, rather than the nice command line I have provided them with. > > At present, we use RIS to deploy Microsoft images to the workstations, so changing the DHCP settings to boot from an LTSP box is not really viable. In addition, I am reluctant to let students boot from removable media, so floppy disks (and equivalents) are also ruled out. > > Until I manage to convince everyone to try a wholesale move to Linux, I am looking for a solution to allow users to run a remote X session from within Windows XP. > > Any help or advice on were to find such information (or even a detailed step-by-step guide!) would be very much appreciated. > > Luke Maslany > > -------------------------------- > Luke Maslany > Network Engineer > Josiah Mason College > l.maslany at jmc.ac.uk > -------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- Jay Pfaffman Asst Professor of Instructional Technology, U. TN, Knoxville Experimenting with gmail, please honor the Reply-To From pfaffman at gmail.com Fri Oct 1 22:04:54 2004 From: pfaffman at gmail.com (Jay Pfaffman) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 18:04:54 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP on a non-standard port Message-ID: <93260980041001150455baaabc@mail.gmail.com> I'm in a university environment and would like to be able to run lab machines as thin clients off my server. I know how to create a boot image that'll boot from a non-standard port and can figure out how to tell my machine to listen on one. What I don't understand is what to do from there. Do I need to create entries for the machines? That doesn't make sense because I can't know what address they'll get from DHCP. Does my DHCP server relay the request somehow? Does the client do two DHCP lookups, first from the university server and then, using that IP request where to get its boot image from mine? I don't want to have my DHCP server handing out bogus IPs on the university network (done that before--it's not fun). -- Jay Pfaffman Asst Professor of Instructional Technology, U. TN, Knoxville Experimenting with gmail, please honor the Reply-To From pfaffman at gmail.com Fri Oct 1 22:16:57 2004 From: pfaffman at gmail.com (Jay Pfaffman) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 18:16:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Demonstration site Message-ID: <93260980041001151679dfa74f@mail.gmail.com> I'm a new instrutional technology professor & Free Software Zealot. Since I got here I've tried several times to contact folks at the local district to see what I could do to help out (I did have some pre-conceptions about what that might be. . ). They haven't returned my calls or emails. A student of mine is the building-level tech contact for her school. She said that she was in a training session recently and she was told that a professor at UT was saying that you could take old computers and make them really useful, but that this would not be allowed at any of their schools. I'm sure that the science teacher who's been very happy to have 6 computers in her classroom for a semester and a half would be sorry to hear this, as they've been working flawlessly (save one bad Ethernet cable and the time she changed printers but not printer drivers). I have a second site where I installed K12LTSP 4.0 on 3 teachers' existing workstations and gave them 5 machines each to use as thin clients (which also have hard drives with Win2K on them if they can get it configured). I'd like a third site where I give them a server and allow them to use their in-place PeeCees as thin clients. The questions are, how much machine do I need to run 20 clients? What can I do with dual AMD XP 2600+ and 120GB serial ATA and 1 GB of ram? 2GB? I've considered getting a small portable machine with a single Ethernet card to take out to schools just to do a demo with their in-place machines. Would it make sense to walk in with a pre-configured server and the universal boot disk? (Given that I could get a block of IPs, I guess). Does the Universal boot disk really work (it didn't the one time I tried to use it). Ideas for getting into a school and showing things off as quickly as possible are what I'm looking for. -- Jay Pfaffman Asst Professor of Instructional Technology, U. TN, Knoxville Experimenting with gmail, please honor the Reply-To From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Oct 1 22:34:22 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 15:34:22 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Demonstration site In-Reply-To: <93260980041001151679dfa74f@mail.gmail.com> References: <93260980041001151679dfa74f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <415DDB6E.6000002@paasda.org> Jay Pfaffman wrote: >I'd like a third site where I give them a server and allow them to use >their in-place PeeCees as thin clients. The questions are, how much >machine do I need to run 20 clients? What can I do with dual AMD XP >2600+ and 120GB serial ATA and 1 GB of ram? 2GB? > >I've considered getting a small portable machine with a single >Ethernet card to take out to schools just to do a demo with their >in-place machines. Would it make sense to walk in with a >pre-configured server and the universal boot disk? (Given that I >could get a block of IPs, I guess). >Does the Universal boot disk really work (it didn't the one time I >tried to use it). > >Ideas for getting into a school and showing things off as quickly as >possible are what I'm looking for. > > Jay, with that machine you can easily run 20 clients...using Gnome even...and OpenOffice/Mozilla... Tux would crash you out after about the 3rd station(in my experience without a gig switch)... I've been wondering the same on the mobile unit.... if you got a laptop with a built-in ethernet(gig would be kewl)...and a pcmcia-10/100 card... you could foreseeably(is that really a word?) grab that with a couple YEStation Mini's(VERY small units) or other 'terminals' and a nice little 4..n port switch and rock their worlds =) Expense is an issue with me and a laptop is not cost-effective enough for me to buy...I just waste my manpower(self) and carry a huge server around if I need to demo for a school or other clientel. Or just the 4 installation CD's...and show them the install process and how simple that is as well! chat 'em up while the cd's are installing...show them your slick spreadsheets showing the cost/benefit analysis of LTSP vs. MS all that jazz... --Huck From nbs at sonic.net Fri Oct 1 22:48:56 2004 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 15:48:56 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Demonstration site In-Reply-To: <93260980041001151679dfa74f@mail.gmail.com> References: <93260980041001151679dfa74f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20041001224856.GB19660@sonic.net> On Fri, Oct 01, 2004 at 06:16:57PM -0400, Jay Pfaffman wrote: > She said that she was in a training session > recently and she was told that a professor at UT was saying that you > could take old computers and make them really useful, but that this > would not be allowed at any of their schools. Wow, lame. Hasn't LTSP been, like, in the edu-news lately? (Magazines and such) Maybe you should send them a few copies/links? ;) Good luck! -bill! bill at newbreedsoftware.com New Breed Software http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/ Tux Paint 0.9.14 -- Coming soon! From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Oct 1 23:34:49 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 16:34:49 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Thar she blows! (errr boots!) Message-ID: <1096673688.16122.100.camel@server.ltsp> While everyone else[1] was watching Mt St Helens blow off a little steam (http://www.google.com/news?q=mount+saint+helens), I took another spin at building a K12LTSP-ized version of Fedora Core 3 test 2. Looks like they fixed the show-stopping NFS bug, this time a terminal booted right up. This is VERY ALPHA, don't even think about trying it on a system you care about, if it breaks you get to keep all the pieces. ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/4.2.0alpha/ -Eric [1] our office has a great view of St Helens, but I'm down in the basement and didn't hear about it until after it was over... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Oct 1 23:47:45 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 16:47:45 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Thar she blows! (errr boots!) In-Reply-To: <1096673688.16122.100.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1096673688.16122.100.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <415DECA1.30904@paasda.org> btw.. it was more of a 'poof' than a blow =) I once owned a car that smoked more than that in college... and knew some people who smoked more than Mt. St. helens did today =) sorry...I was disappointed in the so called 'erruption' Eric Harrison wrote: >While everyone else[1] was watching Mt St Helens blow off a little steam >(http://www.google.com/news?q=mount+saint+helens), I took another spin >at building a K12LTSP-ized version of Fedora Core 3 test 2. > >Looks like they fixed the show-stopping NFS bug, this time a terminal >booted right up. > >This is VERY ALPHA, don't even think about trying it on a system you >care about, if it breaks you get to keep all the pieces. > >ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/4.2.0alpha/ > >-Eric > >[1] our office has a great view of St Helens, but I'm down in the >basement and didn't hear about it until after it was over... > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Sat Oct 2 00:00:25 2004 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 19:00:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP on a non-standard port In-Reply-To: <93260980041001150455baaabc@mail.gmail.com> References: <93260980041001150455baaabc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0FDD4979-1406-11D9-A25C-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Why does it need to listen on a nonstandard port? On Oct 1, 2004, at 5:04 PM, Jay Pfaffman wrote: > I'm in a university environment and would like to be able to run lab > machines as thin clients off my server. I know how to create a boot > image that'll boot from a non-standard port and can figure out how to > tell my machine to listen on one. What I don't understand is what to > do from there. Do I need to create entries for the machines? That > doesn't make sense because I can't know what address they'll get from > DHCP. Does my DHCP server relay the request somehow? Does the client > do two DHCP lookups, first from the university server and then, using > that IP request where to get its boot image from mine? I don't want > to have my DHCP server handing out bogus IPs on the university network > (done that before--it's not fun). > -- > Jay Pfaffman > Asst Professor of Instructional Technology, U. TN, Knoxville > Experimenting with gmail, please honor the Reply-To > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkFd75kACgkQfqZR3ThMfXSaTQCfXIVbAsdp7VI+xnDH0v9E4+bf LdUAn057+cDyPIRAEwe56UQoxn8ElOcp =7fbI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From accessys at smart.net Sat Oct 2 00:24:07 2004 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 20:24:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office on Windows In-Reply-To: <415D89A1.7000207@sages.us> References: <415D89A1.7000207@sages.us> Message-ID: On Fri, 1 Oct 2004, Jim Hays wrote: > This is probably the wrong forum to ask this question, but here goes > anyway...... > > Is anyone using Open Office as a primary office suite on Windows at the > high school level? (We are considering a switch from MS Office to OOo - > or even Star Office.) If so, do you teach it in your computer classes? > What textbook, if any, do you use? a little pricy but the "OpenOffice.org Resource Kit" is far and away the best book I've found (prentice Hall, Haugland and Jones) Bob ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From accessys at smart.net Sat Oct 2 00:31:08 2004 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 20:31:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office on Windows In-Reply-To: <415D95AB.7020803@sages.us> References: <415D89A1.7000207@sages.us> <415D901F.5050805@paasda.org> <415D95AB.7020803@sages.us> Message-ID: On Fri, 1 Oct 2004, Jim Hays wrote: > I would defintely like the ISBN numbers for those books if you don't > mind. Thanks for the info. the resource kit OOo book is isbn 0-13-140745-7 Bob > > > Huck wrote: > > > If I were still the classroom teacher of computer apps, I would be > > using OO.(full network admin now instead). > > I had purchased 1 copy of each of the books from the Calc,Writer, > > Presenter, and one that was an Essesntials Compendium of all three > > together. > > They books were well written(by the doc lady who did Star Office's I > > believe). > > I can't find the website and my feable google'n attempt didn't come up > > with a recognizable hit. > > > > I can ask our librarian to get the ISBN numbers if you like. > > > > --Huck > > (taught MS-Office for 4 years...OO would be a much much easier suite > > to teach even with NO books, as the menu'ing system is MUCH more > > intuitive) > > > > > > Jim Hays wrote: > > > >> This is probably the wrong forum to ask this question, but here goes > >> anyway...... > >> > >> Is anyone using Open Office as a primary office suite on Windows at > >> the high school level? (We are considering a switch from MS Office > >> to OOo - or even Star Office.) If so, do you teach it in your > >> computer classes? What textbook, if any, do you use? > >> > >> TIA. > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From tlegge at rogers.com Sat Oct 2 01:09:50 2004 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 22:09:50 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Help! (a little desperate) In-Reply-To: <415DA77C.7060202@inlandlakes.org> References: <415D99A2.2060804@inlandlakes.org> <415D9DBE.2050107@inlandlakes.org> <415DA1CF.4010201@coll-outao.qc.ca> <415DA77C.7060202@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <1096679390.6845.5.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 15:52, Shawn Powers wrote: > Guy Lessard wrote: > > Did you recently added a new or updated software/daemon? > > Just thought of one more addition I did today -- I have been trying to > get a USB keydrive to work on my thin client. Not sure how or if that > could effect the server, but wanted to toss it in there. You didn't plug it into the server around the time it froze did you? My PC was freezing sometimes when I moved the desk to plug in yet another nic to my development client. I figured something was strange but it became irritating when I found I could not plug in the usb key to the front ports without killing the machine. I pulled it apart and noticed that the screws of the vid card were awfully close to the firewire slot. I pulled the firewire slot (since I have no supported devices) and it has worked great ever since. Good luck Tim From cliebow at downeast.net Sat Oct 2 00:46:59 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 00:46:59 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP on a non-standard port Message-ID: <200410020050.i920oFg22977@downeast.net> with isa cards i had to pass option 128 and 9 to the terminals..didn't know how..i know there is a feature in etherboot 5,2 that ignores queries without a filename ...but i use trusty old 5.0.11 and independent dhcp with no chance of interfering with nt dhcp.. chuck > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Why does it need to listen on a nonstandard port? > > On Oct 1, 2004, at 5:04 PM, Jay Pfaffman wrote: > > > I'm in a university environment and would like to be able to run lab > > machines as thin clients off my server. I know how to create a boot > > image that'll boot from a non-standard port and can figure out how to > > tell my machine to listen on one. What I don't understand is what to > > do from there. Do I need to create entries for the machines? That > > doesn't make sense because I can't know what address they'll get from > > DHCP. Does my DHCP server relay the request somehow? Does the client > > do two DHCP lookups, first from the university server and then, using > > that IP request where to get its boot image from mine? I don't want > > to have my DHCP server handing out bogus IPs on the university network > > (done that before--it's not fun). > > -- > > Jay Pfaffman > > Asst Professor of Instructional Technology, U. TN, Knoxville > > Experimenting with gmail, please honor the Reply-To > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) > > iEYEARECAAYFAkFd75kACgkQfqZR3ThMfXSaTQCfXIVbAsdp7VI+xnDH0v9E4+bf > LdUAn057+cDyPIRAEwe56UQoxn8ElOcp > =7fbI > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From robark at telus.net Sat Oct 2 02:06:17 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 19:06:17 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Help! (a little desperate) In-Reply-To: <415DA1CF.4010201@coll-outao.qc.ca> References: <415D99A2.2060804@inlandlakes.org> <415D9DBE.2050107@inlandlakes.org> <415DA1CF.4010201@coll-outao.qc.ca> Message-ID: <415E0D19.4070604@telus.net> Guy Lessard wrote: > Shawn Powers wrote: > >> Shawn Powers wrote: >> >>> Wow... >> >> >> >> And again... Just froze up solid. Man, for a Friday, today is pretty >> cruddy... >> >> -Shawn >> > Maybe checkout basic things like: > Blow out the dirt from the CPU fan, make sure it works > In the BIOS, you can monitor the temperature of the cpu and other > components > Can you monitor the cpu voltages (datalogging) > Yes, run memtest on your RAM > See that all pci boards are properly seated > Did you recently added a new or updated software/daemon? > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > I agree, run memtest on the ram overnight. Also, you should be able to download a utility from the hard disk manufacturer to test it fully. Some are non destructive. Apart from ram and hd I would ask you if you changed any BIOS settings, especially anything to do with power saving features. I'm not sure how to test a NIC though. When it freezes does video screen stay up. Cause if it does, I would run "top" to see the last program that ran and see if there is a pattern. Also, if your power supply is failing things like this can happen. You have to rule things out 1 at a time. Good luck Shawn. PS if an staff tell you "I told you so". Remind them not to view any jpegs in IE. ; ) Robert Arkiletian From prentice at instruction.com Sat Oct 2 02:56:21 2004 From: prentice at instruction.com (Dave Prentice) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 21:56:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Server Help! (a little desperate) Message-ID: <01c4a82b$65f60aa0$6500000a@Dave.HOME> Shawn, As a former PC field engineer for IBM, I always keep in mind a low-tech remedy that often fixes weird intermittent problems: clean the contacts on memory and other removable chips. Power down, take out any chips that are easy to get out, and rub a pencil eraser against all the contact points you can. Wipe them off and reinstall. Chips that are hard to remove (e.g. BIOS) you can still pry out a little and then push back in. Sometimes they get a liittle oxidation on the contacts and the movement out and back in cleans them enough to get them working again. Give it a try -- won't cost a dime. Dave Prentice prentice at instruction.com http://www.originsresource.org >From: Shawn Powers >Subject: [K12OSN] Server Help! (a little desperate) >For some reason, I've had 2 major "glitches" this year. >My question? Where do I start looking for some problems? I've read >just about every bit of text in /var/log -- and nothing looks fishy. At >13:00, messages just stopped being written to /var/log/messages. There >were no odd entries before it stopped. >Are there other logs I should be checking? Perhaps after school today, >I'll take the server down and run memtest... Especially during this >first year, I need close to 100% uptime, and I've had bad luck so far. >-- >Shawn Powers >Technology Director >Inland Lakes Schools From prentice at instruction.com Sat Oct 2 03:17:36 2004 From: prentice at instruction.com (Dave Prentice) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 22:17:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 8, Issue 9 Message-ID: <01c4a82e$5dae9120$6500000a@Dave.HOME> >From: Jay Pfaffman >Subject: [K12OSN] Demonstration site >To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." >I've considered getting a small portable machine with a single Ethernet card to take out to schools just to do a >demo with their in-place machines. Would it make sense to walk in with a pre-configured server and the >universal boot disk? (Given that I could get a block of IPs, I guess). Does the Universal boot disk really work >(it didn't the one time I tried to use it). >Jay Pfaffman There are only about 30 or so floppy boot images in /tftpboot/lts/boot/bootsomething (don't remember the exact path because I'm at home). You could just make up a few floppies with the most common NIC types. Once you boot one client, you can put the floppy in the next and so on. I learned from this list a couple weeks ago (Volume 7, issue 80 -- thanks Chris Thomas!!!!!!) that some types of video cards, especially on Compaq, may give a "no screens found" on boot. If so, you may have to edit /opt/lts/i386/etc/vidlist (hope that's the correct path) to put in the right drivers. If you have weird monitors like me you may also have to add entries in lts.conf to assign a refresh rate to individual machines according to their MAC address. Should work for anything then. Dave Prentice prentice at instruction.com http://www.originsresource.org From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Sat Oct 2 03:25:52 2004 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 20:25:52 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Demonstration site In-Reply-To: <93260980041001151679dfa74f@mail.gmail.com> References: <93260980041001151679dfa74f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Jay: I have done this. I've taken a small form factor p3-866 with an onboard nic, added a nic, and installed k12ltsp. I take it all over the place, and it will run 3 or 4 machines well. Then I take the universal boot disk and some network cards that I have that I know will work, in case the local machines don't. It's a great demo. Call me if you want. Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 18:16:57 -0400, Jay Pfaffman wrote: > I'm a new instrutional technology professor & Free Software Zealot. > Since I got here I've tried several times to contact folks at the > local district to see what I could do to help out (I did have some > pre-conceptions about what that might be. . ). They haven't returned > my calls or emails. A student of mine is the building-level tech > contact for her school. She said that she was in a training session > recently and she was told that a professor at UT was saying that you > could take old computers and make them really useful, but that this > would not be allowed at any of their schools. I'm sure that the > science teacher who's been very happy to have 6 computers in her > classroom for a semester and a half would be sorry to hear this, as > they've been working flawlessly (save one bad Ethernet cable and the > time she changed printers but not printer drivers). > > I have a second site where I installed K12LTSP 4.0 on 3 teachers' > existing workstations and gave them 5 machines each to use as thin > clients (which also have hard drives with Win2K on them if they can > get it configured). > > I'd like a third site where I give them a server and allow them to use > their in-place PeeCees as thin clients. The questions are, how much > machine do I need to run 20 clients? What can I do with dual AMD XP > 2600+ and 120GB serial ATA and 1 GB of ram? 2GB? > > I've considered getting a small portable machine with a single > Ethernet card to take out to schools just to do a demo with their > in-place machines. Would it make sense to walk in with a > pre-configured server and the universal boot disk? (Given that I > could get a block of IPs, I guess). > Does the Universal boot disk really work (it didn't the one time I > tried to use it). > > Ideas for getting into a school and showing things off as quickly as > possible are what I'm looking for. > -- > Jay Pfaffman > Asst Professor of Instructional Technology, U. TN, Knoxville > Experimenting with gmail, please honor the Reply-To > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Steve Hargadon 916-652-8600 ext. 711 From robark at telus.net Sat Oct 2 03:26:41 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 20:26:41 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP on a non-standard port In-Reply-To: <93260980041001150455baaabc@mail.gmail.com> References: <93260980041001150455baaabc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <415E1FF1.8000002@telus.net> Jay Pfaffman wrote: >I'm in a university environment and would like to be able to run lab >machines as thin clients off my server. I know how to create a boot >image that'll boot from a non-standard port and can figure out how to >tell my machine to listen on one. What I don't understand is what to >do from there. Do I need to create entries for the machines? That >doesn't make sense because I can't know what address they'll get from >DHCP. Does my DHCP server relay the request somehow? Does the client >do two DHCP lookups, first from the university server and then, using >that IP request where to get its boot image from mine? I don't want >to have my DHCP server handing out bogus IPs on the university network >(done that before--it's not fun). > > I had the same problem with my school. Look here for "2 dhcp servers". I eventually physically seperated the networks. https://listman.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2004-May/thread.html Also, If the switches are managed (university stuff is usually top notch) create a VLAN (virtual lan) for the ltsp network. You'll need the password for the switch though. Robert Arkiletian From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Sat Oct 2 13:25:41 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 09:25:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] java issue Message-ID: <415EAC55.6020504@snet.net> I have Sun's j2re1.4.2_04 installed and libjavaplugin_oji.so symlinked in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins (per sintructions here: http://www.redhatconfig.com/msg/69152.html), but I can't load java applets online and everytime I try to load the Intl. Scarbble Club's (http://www.isc.ro) java interface, Mozilla crashes. I met a nice lady online and we want to play Scrabble online. I tried to install Dag's j2re and moz-j2re (from here: http://dag.wieers.com/packages/j2re/) and kept receiving bad sig/key msg and failed deps msg on the moz pkg (needed the other dag rpm, appreantly, which wouldn't install.) This per instructions here: http://www.fedorafaq.org/#java Here are results of attempting to install dag rpms: [root at localhost progs]# rpm -ivh mozilla-j2re-1.4.2-9.1.fc1.dag.i586.rpm warning: mozilla-j2re-1.4.2-9.1.fc1.dag.i586.rpm: V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID 6b8d79e6 error: Failed dependencies: j2re = 1.4.2 is needed by mozilla-j2re-1.4.2-9.1.fc1.dag [root at localhost progs]# cd java [root at localhost java]# ls j2re-1_4_2_04-linux-i586.rpm j2re-1_4_2_04-linux-i586-rpm.bin [root at localhost java]# rpm -ivh j2re-1_4_2_04-linux-i586.rpm Preparing... ########################################### [100%] package j2re-1.4.2_04-fcs is already installed [root at localhost java]# cd ../ [root at localhost progs]# rpm -ivh mozilla-j2re-1.4.2-9.1.fc1.dag.i586.rpm warning: mozilla-j2re-1.4.2-9.1.fc1.dag.i586.rpm: V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID 6b8d79e6 error: Failed dependencies: j2re = 1.4.2 is needed by mozilla-j2re-1.4.2-9.1.fc1.dag [root at localhost progs]# tried rpm -UVH [root at localhost progs]# rpm -Uvh j2re-1.4.2-8.1.fc2.dag.i586.rpm warning: j2re-1.4.2-8.1.fc2.dag.i586.rpm: V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID 6b8d79e6 Preparing... ########################################### [100%] package j2re-1.4.2_04-fcs (which is newer than j2re-1.4.2-8.1.fc2.dag) is already installed file /usr/bin/java from install of j2re-1.4.2-8.1.fc2.dag conflicts with file from package jdkgcj-0.2.3-5 Personally, can't figure why Sun's j2re with symlink in usr/lib/moz/plugins isn't working in the first place. I'm a bit lost now. Please assist. Thanks, tony -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From accessys at smart.net Sat Oct 2 14:16:10 2004 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 10:16:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] java issue In-Reply-To: <415EAC55.6020504@snet.net> References: <415EAC55.6020504@snet.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 2 Oct 2004, anthony baldwin wrote: yes please post the answer, I have pretty much thrown up my hands on this same issue, it downloads nicely but won't work, my Mozilla doesn't crash per se but it just sort of hangs up...if I kill the process I'm back in business but it still doesn't work. Bob > I have Sun's j2re1.4.2_04 installed and libjavaplugin_oji.so symlinked > in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins (per sintructions here: > http://www.redhatconfig.com/msg/69152.html), but I can't load java > applets online and everytime I try to load the Intl. Scarbble Club's > (http://www.isc.ro) java interface, Mozilla crashes. > I met a nice lady online and we want to play Scrabble online. > > I tried to install Dag's j2re and moz-j2re (from here: > http://dag.wieers.com/packages/j2re/) and kept receiving bad sig/key msg > and failed deps msg on the moz pkg (needed the other dag rpm, > appreantly, which wouldn't install.) This per instructions here: > http://www.fedorafaq.org/#java > > Here are results of attempting to install dag rpms: > > [root at localhost progs]# rpm -ivh mozilla-j2re-1.4.2-9.1.fc1.dag.i586.rpm > warning: mozilla-j2re-1.4.2-9.1.fc1.dag.i586.rpm: V3 DSA signature: > NOKEY, key ID 6b8d79e6 > error: Failed dependencies: > j2re = 1.4.2 is needed by mozilla-j2re-1.4.2-9.1.fc1.dag > [root at localhost progs]# cd java > [root at localhost java]# ls > j2re-1_4_2_04-linux-i586.rpm j2re-1_4_2_04-linux-i586-rpm.bin > [root at localhost java]# rpm -ivh j2re-1_4_2_04-linux-i586.rpm > Preparing... ########################################### [100%] > package j2re-1.4.2_04-fcs is already installed > [root at localhost java]# cd ../ > [root at localhost progs]# rpm -ivh mozilla-j2re-1.4.2-9.1.fc1.dag.i586.rpm > warning: mozilla-j2re-1.4.2-9.1.fc1.dag.i586.rpm: V3 DSA signature: > NOKEY, key ID 6b8d79e6 > error: Failed dependencies: > j2re = 1.4.2 is needed by mozilla-j2re-1.4.2-9.1.fc1.dag > [root at localhost progs]# > > tried rpm -UVH > > [root at localhost progs]# rpm -Uvh j2re-1.4.2-8.1.fc2.dag.i586.rpm > warning: j2re-1.4.2-8.1.fc2.dag.i586.rpm: V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key > ID 6b8d79e6 > Preparing... ########################################### [100%] > package j2re-1.4.2_04-fcs (which is newer than j2re-1.4.2-8.1.fc2.dag) > is already installed > file /usr/bin/java from install of j2re-1.4.2-8.1.fc2.dag conflicts with > file from package jdkgcj-0.2.3-5 > > Personally, can't figure why Sun's j2re with symlink in > usr/lib/moz/plugins isn't working in the first place. > I'm a bit lost now. > > > Please assist. > Thanks, > > tony > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Sat Oct 2 18:03:11 2004 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 13:03:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] java issue In-Reply-To: References: <415EAC55.6020504@snet.net> Message-ID: <52F96005-149D-11D9-A50C-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 A while back there was an issue with plugins and mozilla. The plugins had to be complied with the same version of GCC as mozilla was IIRC. For a while you saw two versions of the same plugin, one for the GCC 2.x stuff and one for the 3.x stuff. The "nokey" error is probably because you haven't imported Dag's key. RPM checks to see if the package is signed by a someone whose key you have. if you type 'man rpm' you'll see a command for importing the key. (can't tell you what it is ATM, as im typing this from a Powerbook!) > >> I have Sun's j2re1.4.2_04 installed and libjavaplugin_oji.so symlinked >> in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins (per sintructions here: >> http://www.redhatconfig.com/msg/69152.html), but I can't load java >> applets online and everytime I try to load the Intl. Scarbble Club's >> (http://www.isc.ro) java interface, Mozilla crashes. >> I met a nice lady online and we want to play Scrabble online. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkFe7V8ACgkQfqZR3ThMfXTVHQCffRH4E76dg+tMfni9VoDuF+3+ TDgAn1g2DE41L9/cVSUUWQUmn2uj2NJm =ofLp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Sat Oct 2 18:03:11 2004 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 13:03:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] java issue In-Reply-To: References: <415EAC55.6020504@snet.net> Message-ID: <52F96005-149D-11D9-A50C-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 A while back there was an issue with plugins and mozilla. The plugins had to be complied with the same version of GCC as mozilla was IIRC. For a while you saw two versions of the same plugin, one for the GCC 2.x stuff and one for the 3.x stuff. The "nokey" error is probably because you haven't imported Dag's key. RPM checks to see if the package is signed by a someone whose key you have. if you type 'man rpm' you'll see a command for importing the key. (can't tell you what it is ATM, as im typing this from a Powerbook!) > >> I have Sun's j2re1.4.2_04 installed and libjavaplugin_oji.so symlinked >> in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins (per sintructions here: >> http://www.redhatconfig.com/msg/69152.html), but I can't load java >> applets online and everytime I try to load the Intl. Scarbble Club's >> (http://www.isc.ro) java interface, Mozilla crashes. >> I met a nice lady online and we want to play Scrabble online. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkFe7V8ACgkQfqZR3ThMfXTVHQCffRH4E76dg+tMfni9VoDuF+3+ TDgAn1g2DE41L9/cVSUUWQUmn2uj2NJm =ofLp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cliebow at downeast.net Sat Oct 2 19:40:49 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 19:40:49 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] java issue Message-ID: <200410021944.i92Ji0d14384@downeast.net> fwiw.. my lbjavaplugin is in /usr/lib/mozilla-1.2.1 not /usr/lib/mozillla > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > A while back there was an issue with plugins and mozilla. The plugins > had to be complied with the same version of GCC as mozilla was IIRC. > For a while you saw two versions of the same plugin, one for the GCC > 2.x stuff and one for the 3.x stuff. > > The "nokey" error is probably because you haven't imported Dag's key. > RPM checks to see if the package is signed by a someone whose key you > have. if you type 'man rpm' you'll see a command for importing the key. > (can't tell you what it is ATM, as im typing this from a Powerbook!) > > > >> I have Sun's j2re1.4.2_04 installed and libjavaplugin_oji.so symlinked > >> in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins (per sintructions here: > >> http://www.redhatconfig.com/msg/69152.html), but I can't load java > >> applets online and everytime I try to load the Intl. Scarbble Club's > >> (http://www.isc.ro) java interface, Mozilla crashes. > >> I met a nice lady online and we want to play Scrabble online. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) > > iEYEARECAAYFAkFe7V8ACgkQfqZR3ThMfXTVHQCffRH4E76dg+tMfni9VoDuF+3+ > TDgAn1g2DE41L9/cVSUUWQUmn2uj2NJm > =ofLp > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Sun Oct 3 00:27:16 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 20:27:16 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] java issue In-Reply-To: <200410021944.i92Ji0d14384@downeast.net> References: <200410021944.i92Ji0d14384@downeast.net> Message-ID: <415F4764.6080702@snet.net> cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > fwiw.. my lbjavaplugin is in /usr/lib/mozilla-1.2.1 not /usr/lib/mozillla > Actually, here it is in /usr/lilb/mozilla-1.4.2/plugins Just a different version of Moz. tony > >>>>I have Sun's j2re1.4.2_04 installed and libjavaplugin_oji.so symlinked >>>>in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins (per sintructions here: >>>>http://www.redhatconfig.com/msg/69152.html), but I can't load java >>>>applets online and everytime I try to load the Intl. Scarbble Club's >>>>(http://www.isc.ro) java interface, Mozilla crashes. >>>>I met a nice lady online and we want to play Scrabble online. -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Sun Oct 3 11:54:00 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 07:54:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] java issue In-Reply-To: <415EAC55.6020504@snet.net> References: <415EAC55.6020504@snet.net> Message-ID: <415FE858.1080101@snet.net> anthony baldwin wrote: > I have Sun's j2re1.4.2_04 installed and libjavaplugin_oji.so symlinked > in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins (per sintructions here: > http://www.redhatconfig.com/msg/69152.html), but I can't load java > applets online and everytime I try to load the Intl. Scarbble Club's > (http://www.isc.ro) java interface, Mozilla crashes. > I met a nice lady online and we want to play Scrabble online. > > I tried to install Dag's j2re and moz-j2re (from here: > http://dag.wieers.com/packages/j2re/) and kept receiving bad sig/key msg > and failed deps msg on the moz pkg (needed the other dag rpm, > appreantly, which wouldn't install.) This per instructions here: > http://www.fedorafaq.org/#java > > > tony > It seems that cp-ing all the plugins (and symlinking, where appropriate) to /home/tony/.mozilla/plugins has corrected the problem (as opposed to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins). tony -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Sun Oct 3 13:33:07 2004 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: 03 Oct 2004 21:33:07 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: kde menus and icons lost Message-ID: <1096810404.1040.12.camel@compaq.mydomain> Hi gang, My posting is OT because my problem occurred to a standalone workstation and not part of a LTSP setup. Anyway, you folks are generous with your help, so here goes: Problem - after a power blackout (I really must plug in that UPS, damn) I rebooted and went through a ext3 file system check okay but found that my menus were completely shot (read: almost completely absent) and so was my little icons on the taskbar. The desktop icons were okay but somewhat rearranged. Question 1: Could someone point me to the file(s) that control these two parts of the window manager behaviour? Question 2: Could I hope to find a backup of these files created by the system (I know I should have backed up, but haven't for quite a while)? Question 3: Would making these files read-only, after getting the desktop and menus right, prevent this corruption of those files in the future? System Description: RH8 using KDE 3 Excuse: I know that I can be accused of not RTFM, but I don't have a day to spare to wade through it all if someone can just steer me in the right direction. Pretty please. -- Regards, Gavin Chester From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Sun Oct 3 19:40:28 2004 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 12:40:28 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] What do I need to do to make it work. Message-ID: <416055AC.2080400@elp.rr.com> My server has K12LTSP 4.0.1 I have an older serial port scanner made by mustek. I want to attach it to one of the thin client terminals in my classroom for my students to use. The thin client has 512 meg of RAM which should be helpful. Creating a fat client is not an option, I don't have the parts needed. 1. Do I need to make any entreies in the lts.conf file for that terminal? 2. Do I need to do anything else server or terminal wise to make this work? Thanks Pat From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sun Oct 3 23:48:13 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 19:48:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] deny IP based on MAC address....how? Message-ID: Hi all, I have a situation....I have an IP address that I believe is infected with a worm that putting significant traffic on my network. The IP address is internal and I don't for the life of me know where it is. I've tried everything to find it. I know the MAC address from the logs on my DHCP server....what I'd like to do is prevent that MAC address from even getting an IP address. Is this possible? I'm using an FC 1 server as my DHCP server (that's all that particular server does...just DHCP). I have no desire to populate my entire dhcpd.conf file with all the MAC addresses in my building....there's too many. What I simply want to do is deny giving an IP address to a particular machine (whose MAC address I know)....and/or deny access to my network (from inside) to that IP address. (I've statically assigned that IP to that MAC in my dhcpd.conf so I can at least track it, but now I need to shut it down) Any ideas? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From haysja at sages.us Mon Oct 4 00:48:20 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 19:48:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] deny IP based on MAC address....how? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1096850900.41609dd41eaf5@sages.us> try looking at man dhcpd and serch for deny That may have the info you want. Quoting David Trask : > Hi all, > > I have a situation....I have an IP address that I believe is infected with > a worm that putting significant traffic on my network. The IP address is > internal and I don't for the life of me know where it is. I've tried > everything to find it. I know the MAC address from the logs on my DHCP > server....what I'd like to do is prevent that MAC address from even > getting an IP address. Is this possible? I'm using an FC 1 server as my > DHCP server (that's all that particular server does...just DHCP). I have > no desire to populate my entire dhcpd.conf file with all the MAC addresses > in my building....there's too many. What I simply want to do is deny > giving an IP address to a particular machine (whose MAC address I > know)....and/or deny access to my network (from inside) to that IP > address. (I've statically assigned that IP to that MAC in my dhcpd.conf > so I can at least track it, but now I need to shut it down) Any ideas? > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ----------------------------------------- Jim Hays Technology Director Monticello CUSD#25 Monticello, IL 61856 ----------------------------------------- From tlegge at rogers.com Mon Oct 4 01:20:51 2004 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 22:20:51 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Davicom Network card in Etherboot Message-ID: <1096852850.10276.21.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> Hi I am looking for people with the following Davicom based network cards: 0x1282, 0x9100, "davicom9100", "Davicom 9100" 0x1282, 0x9102, "davicom9102", "Davicom 9102" 0x1282, 0x9009, "davicom9009", "Davicom 9009" 0x1282, 0x9132, "davicom9132", "Davicom 9132" I have ported the linux dmfe driver to replace the current davicom driver. The new driver is obviously called dmfe. If you have tried the davicom driver in the past with no luck, please try the dmfe driver. If necessary I can send you a dmfe.dsk file otherwise the cvs is up to date. I am particularly interested in the 0x9009 card. It seems that my card is broken, which explain the inordinate amount of time I spent on this driver and probably explains why I originally could not fix the davicom driver. In bug reports, please let me know which version of the nic you are using. Regards Tim Legge From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Oct 4 01:23:58 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 18:23:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] deny IP based on MAC address....how? In-Reply-To: <1096850900.41609dd41eaf5@sages.us> Message-ID: On Sun, 3 Oct 2004, Jim Hays wrote: > >try looking at > >man dhcpd > >and serch for deny > >That may have the info you want. The problem with denying that mac address is the client will eventually give itself a 169.x.x.x address and continue to flood the network. Depending on the setup, it may or may not still be a risk, but it could still be chewing up bandwidth. How about assigning it 127.0.0.1? ;-) /etc/dhcpd.conf: host goaway { hardware ethernet 01:02:03:04:05:06; # insert mac here fixed-address 127.0.0.1; } I've never tried this, but it at least sounds like it might work... -Eric > >Quoting David Trask : > >> Hi all, >> >> I have a situation....I have an IP address that I believe is infected with >> a worm that putting significant traffic on my network. The IP address is >> internal and I don't for the life of me know where it is. I've tried >> everything to find it. I know the MAC address from the logs on my DHCP >> server....what I'd like to do is prevent that MAC address from even >> getting an IP address. Is this possible? I'm using an FC 1 server as my >> DHCP server (that's all that particular server does...just DHCP). I have >> no desire to populate my entire dhcpd.conf file with all the MAC addresses >> in my building....there's too many. What I simply want to do is deny >> giving an IP address to a particular machine (whose MAC address I >> know)....and/or deny access to my network (from inside) to that IP >> address. (I've statically assigned that IP to that MAC in my dhcpd.conf >> so I can at least track it, but now I need to shut it down) Any ideas? >> >> David N. Trask >> Technology Teacher/Coordinator >> Vassalboro Community School >> dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >> (207)923-3100 >> From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Oct 4 02:13:51 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 22:13:51 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] deny IP based on MAC address....how? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Sunday, October 3, 2004 at 9:23 PM +0000 wrote: >The problem with denying that mac address is the client will eventually >give itself a 169.x.x.x address and continue to flood the network. >Depending on the setup, it may or may not still be a risk, but it >could still be chewing up bandwidth. > >How about assigning it 127.0.0.1? ;-) > >/etc/dhcpd.conf: > > host goaway { > hardware ethernet 01:02:03:04:05:06; # insert mac here > fixed-address 127.0.0.1; > } > >I've never tried this, but it at least sounds like it might work... > >-Eric Aha! That just might work! My plan is this....if I do this...someone may eventually complain "my computer won't go online!" .....then I'll know where it is! :-) Actually I have no record of it so I'm assuming it may be a laptop or a donated machine that someone forgot to disconnect or remove the HD on and thus the etherboot floppy might be popped out. I've been recessing most of the floppy drives to avoid this, but some I just physically can't do it. I'll let you know if it works! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From ckjohnson at gwi.net Mon Oct 4 02:20:19 2004 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 22:20:19 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] deny IP based on MAC address....how? In-Reply-To: <1096850900.41609dd41eaf5@sages.us> References: <1096850900.41609dd41eaf5@sages.us> Message-ID: <4160B363.1000505@gwi.net> Jim Hays wrote: >try looking at >man dhcpd >and serch for deny >That may have the info you want. > > >Quoting David Trask : > > > >>Hi all, >> >>I have a situation....I have an IP address that I believe is infected with >>a worm that putting significant traffic on my network. The IP address is >>internal and I don't for the life of me know where it is. I've tried >>everything to find it. I know the MAC address from the logs on my DHCP >>server....what I'd like to do is prevent that MAC address from even >>getting an IP address. Is this possible? I'm using an FC 1 server as my >>DHCP server (that's all that particular server does...just DHCP). I have >>no desire to populate my entire dhcpd.conf file with all the MAC addresses >>in my building....there's too many. What I simply want to do is deny >>giving an IP address to a particular machine (whose MAC address I >>know)....and/or deny access to my network (from inside) to that IP >>address. (I've statically assigned that IP to that MAC in my dhcpd.conf >>so I can at least track it, but now I need to shut it down) Any ideas? >> >> You can also get a clue what the machine is named, or even perhaps who is logged onto it: nmblookup -r -A ip_addr_you_assigned Chris -- ----------------------------------------------------------- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 From lists at misato.us Mon Oct 4 02:26:11 2004 From: lists at misato.us (Jason Straw) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 22:26:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] deny IP based on MAC address....how? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1096855219.4057.101.camel@arisa.misato.us> Another choice would be to use some secondary addresses (some subset of the private addresses listed below) and block them at servers/routers. 10.0.0.0/8 172.16.0.0/12 192.168.0.0/16 Jason Straw On Sun, 2004-10-03 at 21:23, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Sun, 3 Oct 2004, Jim Hays wrote: > > > > >try looking at > > > >man dhcpd > > > >and serch for deny > > > >That may have the info you want. > > The problem with denying that mac address is the client will eventually > give itself a 169.x.x.x address and continue to flood the network. > Depending on the setup, it may or may not still be a risk, but it > could still be chewing up bandwidth. > > How about assigning it 127.0.0.1? ;-) > > /etc/dhcpd.conf: > > host goaway { > hardware ethernet 01:02:03:04:05:06; # insert mac here > fixed-address 127.0.0.1; > } > > I've never tried this, but it at least sounds like it might work... > > -Eric > > > > >Quoting David Trask : > > > >> Hi all, > >> > >> I have a situation....I have an IP address that I believe is infected with > >> a worm that putting significant traffic on my network. The IP address is > >> internal and I don't for the life of me know where it is. I've tried > >> everything to find it. I know the MAC address from the logs on my DHCP > >> server....what I'd like to do is prevent that MAC address from even > >> getting an IP address. Is this possible? I'm using an FC 1 server as my > >> DHCP server (that's all that particular server does...just DHCP). I have > >> no desire to populate my entire dhcpd.conf file with all the MAC addresses > >> in my building....there's too many. What I simply want to do is deny > >> giving an IP address to a particular machine (whose MAC address I > >> know)....and/or deny access to my network (from inside) to that IP > >> address. (I've statically assigned that IP to that MAC in my dhcpd.conf > >> so I can at least track it, but now I need to shut it down) Any ideas? > >> > >> David N. Trask > >> Technology Teacher/Coordinator > >> Vassalboro Community School > >> dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > >> (207)923-3100 > >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- #################################################### || Jason Straw - misato at misato.us Quality Control and Distro || || Sugar Cube Fansubs www.sugar-cube.org || || GPG Key ID -- pgp.mit.edu -- D662C649 || #################################################### From microman at cmosnetworks.com Mon Oct 4 02:32:54 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 22:32:54 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] deny IP based on MAC address....how? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4160B656.5060306@cmosnetworks.com> David Trask wrote: >Hi all, > >I have a situation....I have an IP address that I believe is infected with >a worm that putting significant traffic on my network. The IP address is >internal and I don't for the life of me know where it is. I've tried >everything to find it. I know the MAC address from the logs on my DHCP >server....what I'd like to do is prevent that MAC address from even >getting an IP address. Is this possible? I'm using an FC 1 server as my >DHCP server (that's all that particular server does...just DHCP). I have >no desire to populate my entire dhcpd.conf file with all the MAC addresses >in my building....there's too many. What I simply want to do is deny >giving an IP address to a particular machine (whose MAC address I >know)....and/or deny access to my network (from inside) to that IP >address. (I've statically assigned that IP to that MAC in my dhcpd.conf >so I can at least track it, but now I need to shut it down) Any ideas? > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >(207)923-3100 > > We run into this exact issue all the time. You've got Amer.com switches, right? You can block that MAC address in the switch, at their switch port. Thus, if they try statically assigning themselves an IP address, it won't matter. :-) Of course, they could go walking around till they find a drop that doesn't block them (we have people do this all the time). So, you also block their MAC at the right Gigabit trunk, i. e. the one right before you get to the segment with the router/important servers, and they can't do nada! Then they *have* to come to you and get themselves disinfected. Sneaky, I know, but boy, does it work. --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From ddaniels at magic.fr Mon Oct 4 03:24:40 2004 From: ddaniels at magic.fr (Dennis Daniels) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 20:24:40 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] script to kill user processes Message-ID: <4160C278.3030306@magic.fr> I've noticed repeatedly that after a wave of students have logged in and out there are a number of processes users still logged in long after they have logged out... Are others experiencing same? How are you killing those errant processes? Is there a command that will stop all user processes based on a combination of who and kill? I'd really appreciate any help here... many thanks! Dennis From ddaniels at magic.fr Mon Oct 4 04:05:03 2004 From: ddaniels at magic.fr (Dennis Daniels) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 21:05:03 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] script to kill user processes In-Reply-To: <4160C278.3030306@magic.fr> References: <4160C278.3030306@magic.fr> Message-ID: <4160CBEF.7000505@magic.fr> found it! Tip 26 http://aleron.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/souptonuts/How_to_Linux_and_Open_Source.txt Dennis Daniels wrote: > I've noticed repeatedly that after a wave of students have logged in > and out there are a number of processes users still logged in long > after they have logged out... > > Are others experiencing same? How are you killing those errant processes? > > Is there a command that will stop all user processes based on a > combination of who and kill? > > I'd really appreciate any help here... > > many thanks! > Dennis > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From spowers at inlandlakes.org Mon Oct 4 12:21:03 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 08:21:03 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Help! (UPDATE) In-Reply-To: <415D99A2.2060804@inlandlakes.org> References: <415D99A2.2060804@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <4161402F.4030201@inlandlakes.org> I did not have time this weekend to change servers. Oddly, my server has been running like a top for 2 1/2 days now. Granted, there hasn't been much activity, but I'll just watch it this morning and see. The only major (it didn't seem major at the time) change I made on Friday, is that I mounted an smb share, and put it permanently in the /etc/fstab file. I unmounted that share, and have not had a problem since. Perhaps it's coincidence. I'll post anything new to the list -- but has anyone had problems with mounted windows shares locking up a server? -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From jritchie at bible.edu Mon Oct 4 13:14:54 2004 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Josiah Ritchie) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 09:14:54 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] deny IP based on MAC address....how? In-Reply-To: <1096850900.41609dd41eaf5@sages.us> References: <1096850900.41609dd41eaf5@sages.us> Message-ID: <20041004091454.768a38f9@penguin> On Sun, 3 Oct 2004 19:48:20 -0500 Jim Hays wrote: > > try looking at > > man dhcpd > > and serch for deny > > That may have the info you want. To do this, is the correct syntax as follows: host joe { hardware ethernet 08:00:2b:4c:29:32; deny; } That could be very useful. JSR/ From fhkms at adelphia.net Mon Oct 4 13:37:38 2004 From: fhkms at adelphia.net (Will Hatch) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 9:37:38 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] mtools icon Message-ID: <20041004133738.EDKS9204.mta10.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> One of my students got a little carried away with customizing his desktop and deleted the "floppy access" icon. Now, he can't use the floppy drive because we do not know how to access it any other way. How do you restore this to the desktop? Thanks! From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Mon Oct 4 14:10:47 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 09:10:47 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] deny IP based on MAC address....how? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Will not the DHCP leases file give the name of the computer? Aren't your computers named by location? Every computer on my network (winders ones,anyway) have a name that is unique and location-based. Example: pr15rc3 is a sample name. That tells me it is in the Primary Building, Room 15 and it is the third Reading Counts! (students) computer. hs11t means High School Room 11, Teacher's station. The /var/lib/dhcp/dhcpd.leases file gives the computer name, MAC address and IP assignment. Then you will know where that computer is. I learned this by the same problem. Name the computers by location and you can find troubled ones more easily using DHCP. Also, if you run Samba, you can take that information and look at status and see who is actually using that computer (who is logged in on it), so that if it is and XP, you knwo who's profile to look in for virus-related files. Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Sun, 3 Oct 2004, David Trask wrote: > Hi all, > > I have a situation....I have an IP address that I believe is infected with > a worm that putting significant traffic on my network. The IP address is > internal and I don't for the life of me know where it is. I've tried > everything to find it. I know the MAC address from the logs on my DHCP > server....what I'd like to do is prevent that MAC address from even > getting an IP address. Is this possible? I'm using an FC 1 server as my > DHCP server (that's all that particular server does...just DHCP). I have > no desire to populate my entire dhcpd.conf file with all the MAC addresses > in my building....there's too many. What I simply want to do is deny > giving an IP address to a particular machine (whose MAC address I > know)....and/or deny access to my network (from inside) to that IP > address. (I've statically assigned that IP to that MAC in my dhcpd.conf > so I can at least track it, but now I need to shut it down) Any ideas? > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Mon Oct 4 14:20:52 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 09:20:52 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] deny IP based on MAC address....how? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Addendum. . . If they are LTSP terminals,they are extremely unlikely to be infected so YMMV. . . Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Mon, 4 Oct 2004, Doug Simpson wrote: > Will not the DHCP leases file give the name of the computer? Aren't your > computers named by location? > > Every computer on my network (winders ones,anyway) have a name that is > unique and location-based. > > Example: > > pr15rc3 is a sample name. That tells me it is in the Primary Building, > Room 15 and it is the third Reading Counts! (students) computer. > > hs11t means High School Room 11, Teacher's station. > > The /var/lib/dhcp/dhcpd.leases file gives the computer name, MAC address > and IP assignment. > > Then you will know where that computer is. > > I learned this by the same problem. Name the computers by location and > you can find troubled ones more easily using DHCP. Also, if you run > Samba, you can take that information and look at status and see who is > actually using that computer (who is logged in on it), so that if it is > and XP, you knwo who's profile to look in for virus-related files. > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > DeQueen Public Schools > DeQueen, AR 71832 > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > Tux for President! > > On Sun, 3 Oct 2004, David Trask wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > I have a situation....I have an IP address that I believe is infected with > > a worm that putting significant traffic on my network. The IP address is > > internal and I don't for the life of me know where it is. I've tried > > everything to find it. I know the MAC address from the logs on my DHCP > > server....what I'd like to do is prevent that MAC address from even > > getting an IP address. Is this possible? I'm using an FC 1 server as my > > DHCP server (that's all that particular server does...just DHCP). I have > > no desire to populate my entire dhcpd.conf file with all the MAC addresses > > in my building....there's too many. What I simply want to do is deny > > giving an IP address to a particular machine (whose MAC address I > > know)....and/or deny access to my network (from inside) to that IP > > address. (I've statically assigned that IP to that MAC in my dhcpd.conf > > so I can at least track it, but now I need to shut it down) Any ideas? > > > > David N. Trask > > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > > Vassalboro Community School > > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > > (207)923-3100 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From spowers at inlandlakes.org Mon Oct 4 14:37:01 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 10:37:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Openoffice Menus (revisited) Message-ID: <4161600D.7070708@inlandlakes.org> For some reason I can't find the right thread searching the k12osn archive... I know that the topic has come up here before, and I dont' remember if there was a solution. I have several clients that require the XF86_SVGA driver to run at 800x600, and all is well, except that openoffice is crazy. The menus take 2-3 seconds to build, and traversing them with the mouse results in unbearable mouse studder, etc. Also, the fonts look terribly blocky. I had to do the unthinkable today, and direct the teacher to rdesktop and connect to a windows terminal server to use Microsoft Word. Definitely not what I wanted to do... Was there ever a solution to the problem? K12LTSP 4.0.1 server Old IBM computer as thin client, with 1MB cirrus video chipset. -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From staffords at glenburn.net Mon Oct 4 15:14:58 2004 From: staffords at glenburn.net (Shane Stafford) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 11:14:58 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Openoffice Menus (revisited) In-Reply-To: <4161600D.7070708@inlandlakes.org> References: <4161600D.7070708@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: for me, I have resolved this with Xserver = vesa and in a couple instances xserver = s3 thanks Shane Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer S & B Consulting From schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us Mon Oct 4 16:23:24 2004 From: schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us (Jimmy Schwankl) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 12:23:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: mtools icon Message-ID: Will Hatch wrote: > One of my students got a little carried away with customizing his > desktop and deleted the "floppy access" icon. Now, he can't use the > floppy drive because we do not know how to access it any other way. > How do you restore this to the desktop? If you haven't removed all the session options from the login screen, the user should be able to choose the one called Reset Desktop as the session and then proceed logging in. That should do the trick. Then they can log out and log in again using the type of session they regularly use. Peace, Jimmy Schwankl ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Two antennas meet on a roof, fall in love and get married. The ceremony wasn't much, but the reception was excellent. From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Oct 4 16:59:59 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 12:59:59 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] deny IP based on MAC address....how? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, October 04, 2004 at 10:10 AM +0000 wrote: >Will not the DHCP leases file give the name of the computer? Aren't your >computers named by location? that's the problem...it doesn't show up on any of my lists.....as a result the name is generic David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Oct 4 17:00:33 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 13:00:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] deny IP based on MAC address....how? In-Reply-To: References: < > Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, October 04, 2004 at 10:20 AM +0000 wrote: >Addendum. . . > >If they are LTSP terminals,they are extremely unlikely to be infected so >YMMV. . . It's not.....that much I know....if it was the name would be easy to detect David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Oct 4 17:01:45 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 13:01:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] deny IP based on MAC address....how? In-Reply-To: <4160B656.5060306@cmosnetworks.com> References: <4160B656.5060306@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Sunday, October 03, 2004 at 10:32 PM +0000 wrote: >We run into this exact issue all the time. You've got Amer.com >switches, right? You can block that MAC address in the switch, at their >switch port. Thus, if they try statically assigning themselves an IP >address, it won't matter. :-) Of course, they could go walking around >till they find a drop that doesn't block them (we have people do this >all the time). So, you also block their MAC at the right Gigabit trunk, >i. e. the one right before you get to the segment with the >router/important servers, and they can't do nada! Then they *have* to >come to you and get themselves disinfected. Awesome idea! Boy am I going to have fun with this! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From glessard at coll-outao.qc.ca Mon Oct 4 17:31:06 2004 From: glessard at coll-outao.qc.ca (Guy Lessard) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 13:31:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] mtools icon In-Reply-To: <20041004133738.EDKS9204.mta10.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> References: <20041004133738.EDKS9204.mta10.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <416188DA.6080001@coll-outao.qc.ca> Will Hatch wrote: >One of my students got a little carried away with customizing his desktop and deleted the "floppy access" icon. Now, he can't use the floppy drive because we do not know how to access it any other way. How do you restore this to the desktop? Thanks! > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > I think there is a restore the desktop at login! From les at futuresource.com Mon Oct 4 17:49:46 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 12:49:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] deny IP based on MAC address....how? In-Reply-To: References: <4160B656.5060306@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <1096912186.21361.5.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2004-10-04 at 12:01, David Trask wrote: > > Then they *have* to > >come to you and get themselves disinfected. > > Awesome idea! Boy am I going to have fun with this! If your switches are managed you should have some command to show the MAC addresses associated with each port. With Cisco it would be 'show mac'. If you see a lot of addresses for the same switch port it is probably a cross-connect to another switch, so you have to repeat the command on that switch. If you find the MAC address as the only one on a switch port, just follow the wire to find the PC in question. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dhuckaby at paasda.org Mon Oct 4 20:46:30 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 13:46:30 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] super offer Message-ID: <4161B6A6.2090703@paasda.org> On phone with Amer.com now... they have a juicy offer on their SR24G2 Rack-mountable 24-Port 10/100 Ethernet with 2 Gigabit Copper Switch http://www.amer.com/catalogue/asr24g2.html buy 3 at $179.99 and get 2 free!!! needless to say(so why say it right?) I just ordered the 5 =) --Huck From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Oct 4 21:06:06 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 17:06:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] super offer In-Reply-To: <4161B6A6.2090703@paasda.org> References: <4161B6A6.2090703@paasda.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, October 4, 2004 at 4:46 PM +0000 wrote: >On phone with Amer.com now... >they have a juicy offer on their SR24G2 Rack-mountable 24-Port 10/100 >Ethernet with 2 Gigabit Copper Switch > >http://www.amer.com/catalogue/asr24g2.html > >buy 3 at $179.99 and get 2 free!!! > >needless to say(so why say it right?) I just ordered the 5 =) > > >--Huck Been there...done that.....great switch...great deal...lifetime warranty! Drop my name and say hi to Michelle for me! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Oct 4 21:06:06 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 17:06:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] super offer In-Reply-To: <4161B6A6.2090703@paasda.org> References: <4161B6A6.2090703@paasda.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, October 4, 2004 at 4:46 PM +0000 wrote: >On phone with Amer.com now... >they have a juicy offer on their SR24G2 Rack-mountable 24-Port 10/100 >Ethernet with 2 Gigabit Copper Switch > >http://www.amer.com/catalogue/asr24g2.html > >buy 3 at $179.99 and get 2 free!!! > >needless to say(so why say it right?) I just ordered the 5 =) > > >--Huck Been there...done that.....great switch...great deal...lifetime warranty! Drop my name and say hi to Michelle for me! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Mon Oct 4 22:00:10 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 18:00:10 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] mtools icon In-Reply-To: <20041004133738.EDKS9204.mta10.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> References: <20041004133738.EDKS9204.mta10.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <4161C7EA.8080000@snet.net> Will Hatch wrote: > One of my students got a little carried away with customizing his desktop and deleted the "floppy access" icon. Now, he can't use the floppy drive because we do not know how to access it any other way. How do you restore this to the desktop? Thanks! > That would depend on which gui or window manager you are using. You can access the floppy drive in the file browser, whether it is konqueror, nautilus or another, by surfing into /mnt/floppy (most likely label). I'm assuming that floppies are automounting for you, if you are accessing them from a desktop icon. If not, you will have to open a terminal and type % mount /mnt/floppy Before removing a floppy, you would then ahve to type: % umount /mnt/floppy Hope that helps. /tony -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Mon Oct 4 22:46:35 2004 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 17:46:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Openoffice Menus (revisited) In-Reply-To: <4161600D.7070708@inlandlakes.org> References: <4161600D.7070708@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <3EA52331-1657-11D9-AF74-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 If memory serves correctly, it was a video card problem, either specific to certain cards or Xservers/drivers. On Oct 4, 2004, at 9:37 AM, Shawn Powers wrote: > Was there ever a solution to the problem? > > K12LTSP 4.0.1 server > Old IBM computer as thin client, with 1MB cirrus video chipset. > > -Shawn -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkFh0ssACgkQfqZR3ThMfXQeoACfV5WHXt9U8CK1VektiO5YZBRS 1+0AnRIb/uIjJeBo+BAKzK5ETtubYemd =8njh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Mon Oct 4 23:02:25 2004 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 19:02:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Printing from Acrobat Message-ID: <1096930945.22433.59.camel@localhost.localdomain> A student asked me how to print multiple copies of a pdf file from Acrobat. I did not find a way to do it from the gui. To which he replied, "It's easy to do on my computer" Cringe. I found the following but I'd sure like to have the option via gui lpr -n num copies -o collate=True mydocument Any ideas? John From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Oct 5 00:04:33 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 20:04:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Printing from Acrobat In-Reply-To: <1096930945.22433.59.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1096930945.22433.59.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4161E511.7040407@cmosnetworks.com> John Baillie wrote: >A student asked me how to print multiple copies of a pdf file from >Acrobat. I did not find a way to do it from the gui. To which he >replied, "It's easy to do on my computer" > >Cringe. > >I found the following but I'd sure like to have the option via gui > >lpr -n num copies -o collate=True mydocument > >Any ideas? > >John > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > Since there are so many Free .PDF viewers, I don't use Acrobat, but I do know that KGhostView lets you print as many copies as you want. It also has the option to collate. --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Oct 5 00:12:23 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 17:12:23 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Printing from Acrobat In-Reply-To: <1096930945.22433.59.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1096930945.22433.59.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4161E6E7.9000901@paasda.org> HERE is an excellent opportunity for legitimate extra credit... "So Johnny, how about you find out how to do it with this computer and we'll drop your lowest quiz? =)" --Huck John Baillie wrote: >A student asked me how to print multiple copies of a pdf file from >Acrobat. I did not find a way to do it from the gui. To which he >replied, "It's easy to do on my computer" > >Cringe. > >I found the following but I'd sure like to have the option via gui > >lpr -n num copies -o collate=True mydocument > >Any ideas? > >John > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From robark at telus.net Tue Oct 5 00:33:02 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 17:33:02 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Openoffice Menus (revisited) In-Reply-To: <4161600D.7070708@inlandlakes.org> References: <4161600D.7070708@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <4161EBBE.8030207@telus.net> Shawn Powers wrote: > For some reason I can't find the right thread searching the k12osn > archive... I know that the topic has come up here before, and I dont' > remember if there was a solution. > > I have several clients that require the XF86_SVGA driver to run at > 800x600, and all is well, except that openoffice is crazy. The menus > take 2-3 seconds to build, and traversing them with the mouse results > in unbearable mouse studder, etc. Also, the fonts look terribly blocky. > > I had to do the unthinkable today, and direct the teacher to rdesktop > and connect to a windows terminal server to use Microsoft Word. > Definitely not what I wanted to do... > > Was there ever a solution to the problem? > > K12LTSP 4.0.1 server > Old IBM computer as thin client, with 1MB cirrus video chipset. > > -Shawn Hi Shawn, I have not had this problem myself. But I did come across this OOo bug fix. You might find it interesting. http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=6044 So 1.1.1 is the version you might want to try. Let us know if this resolves the issue. I'm pretty sure K12LTSP 4.0.1 (FC1) ships with OOo 1.1.0 Has anyone else had good performance from 1.1.1 (default with FC2, k12ltsp 4.1)? Robert Arkiletian PS Hope your server troubles are over. From pfaffman at gmail.com Tue Oct 5 03:55:26 2004 From: pfaffman at gmail.com (Jay Pfaffman) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 23:55:26 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP on a non-standard port In-Reply-To: <415E1FF1.8000002@telus.net> References: <93260980041001150455baaabc@mail.gmail.com> <415E1FF1.8000002@telus.net> Message-ID: <9326098004100420552ff412f4@mail.gmail.com> Actually, all I want is a way to boot from a CD or floppy and connect to my server. I'm OK with a "chubby client" if I can boot from a CD and have my server's k12ltsp login come up. If the DHCP on a separate port doesn't make things easier, I don't need to do it. On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 20:26:41 -0700, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > Jay Pfaffman wrote: > > >I'm in a university environment and would like to be able to run lab > >machines as thin clients off my server. I know how to create a boot > >image that'll boot from a non-standard port and can figure out how to > >tell my machine to listen on one. What I don't understand is what to > >do from there. Do I need to create entries for the machines? That > >doesn't make sense because I can't know what address they'll get from > >DHCP. Does my DHCP server relay the request somehow? Does the client > >do two DHCP lookups, first from the university server and then, using > >that IP request where to get its boot image from mine? I don't want > >to have my DHCP server handing out bogus IPs on the university network > >(done that before--it's not fun). > > > > > I had the same problem with my school. Look here for "2 dhcp servers". I > eventually physically seperated the networks. > > https://listman.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2004-May/thread.html > > Also, If the switches are managed (university stuff is usually top > notch) create a VLAN (virtual lan) for the ltsp network. You'll need the > password for the switch though. > > Robert Arkiletian > > -- Jay Pfaffman Asst Professor of Instructional Technology, U. TN, Knoxville Experimenting with gmail, please honor the Reply-To From rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us Tue Oct 5 03:07:40 2004 From: rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us (Rick O'Dell) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 22:07:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SSH Message-ID: I'm running Postfix on a k12ltsp 4.01. Log Watch for mail logs an unauthorized user trying to login. It list dozens of passwords they have tried. I have dumped the Ip address into host deny file, but next day a new ip address (possibly on a dialup). My question is, what if I disable SSH or is this a no no??????? What are the adverse effects to me??? Rick O'Dell Net Work Administrator Bakersfield R4 School Dst. Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.271 / Virus Database: 264.9.9 - Release Date: 10/1/2004 From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Tue Oct 5 04:56:36 2004 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 23:56:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SSH In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Oct 4, 2004, at 10:07 PM, Rick O'Dell wrote: > I'm running Postfix on a k12ltsp 4.01. Log Watch for mail logs an > unauthorized user trying to login. It list dozens of passwords they > have > tried. I have dumped the Ip address into host deny file, but next day > a new > ip address (possibly on a dialup). My question is, what if I disable > SSH or > is this a no no??????? What are the adverse effects to me??? Well, do you use SSH to administer your box? If not than you CAN turn it off. You can also use TCP wrappers to allow connections only from specific hosts if you are concerned. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkFiKYQACgkQfqZR3ThMfXSN5wCfUQbq1Bz4JQQsrZNXSVvTMr+d Xp8An1RrHTfvlzIwkfLwq637XCxO9o0F =AJ32 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Tue Oct 5 06:48:07 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 02:48:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SSH In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <416243A7.9090409@cfl.rr.com> Rick, SSH is mainly for your use. If you are an administrator of the LTSP server and don't use SSH to get to it, then I see no reason why you couldn't disable it. It certainly wouldn't disable the terminal clients, as they do not use SSH for local LTSP "X" operations. The only thing I could think of that might be disabled is if you like to VNC into the LTSP server via SSH over the internet from home or something, but I'd imagine that access would only be for administrators anyway. My advice is try and disable it and see if anyone complains and find out why. Rick O'Dell wrote: > I'm running Postfix on a k12ltsp 4.01. Log Watch for mail logs an >unauthorized user trying to login. It list dozens of passwords they have >tried. I have dumped the Ip address into host deny file, but next day a new >ip address (possibly on a dialup). My question is, what if I disable SSH or >is this a no no??????? What are the adverse effects to me??? > >Rick O'Dell >Net Work Administrator >Bakersfield R4 School Dst. >Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 >rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us >-- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 7.0.271 / Virus Database: 264.9.9 - Release Date: 10/1/2004 > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From Greg.Thoyre at orange.k12.nc.us Tue Oct 5 11:58:21 2004 From: Greg.Thoyre at orange.k12.nc.us (Greg Thoyre) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 07:58:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] yum problem Message-ID: <4EA4619FAF476A458251D2BF640192EF94DDE3@OCSMAIL.orange.k12.nc.us> I have been trying for the last few weeks to use yum to update my packages for 4.1.0. It just won't finish downloading the headers. I suspect there is simply too much traffic. Anyone have a solution? Thanks! All email correspondence to and from this address is subject to the North Carolina Public Records Law, which may result in monitoring and disclosure to third parties, including law enforcement. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Oct 5 12:02:34 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 08:02:34 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SSH In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41628D5A.5000607@cmosnetworks.com> Rick O'Dell wrote: > I'm running Postfix on a k12ltsp 4.01. Log Watch for mail logs an >unauthorized user trying to login. It list dozens of passwords they have >tried. I have dumped the Ip address into host deny file, but next day a new >ip address (possibly on a dialup). My question is, what if I disable SSH or >is this a no no??????? What are the adverse effects to me??? > > No problem. Just use a little iptables magic, like so: iptables -A INPUT -i eth1 -p tcp --source w.x.y.z --destination-port 22 -j ACCEPT iptables -A INPUT -i eth1 -p tcp --destination-port 22 -j DROP This assumes that you're accessing your K12LTSP server from IP address w.x.y.z, and that eth1 is what's touching the Internet. Also, of course, make sure that your OpenSSH and OpenSSL are up to the latest rev (currently 3.9p1 and 0.9.7d, respectively). But that doesn't stop folks from making SMTP or other connections to your mail server. I'm assuming that you're using IMAP, POP3, or SMTP AUTH. Due to the fact that anyone from anywhere can send you email (e. g. this list), then the best thing I can recommend is requiring strong passwords for your users and staying up on your security patches. I also run Postfix, in my case with SMTP AUTH. Plenty of folks are repeatedly trying to log into my mail server (I use Courier-IMAP). I stay up on my patch levels and enforce strong passwords. Crackers haven't gotten in yet (knock on wood!). Hope this helps, --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From gumprechtm at msln.net Tue Oct 5 12:52:07 2004 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 08:52:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Hostraid and ltsp 4.0.1 Message-ID: <416298F7.7060102@msln.net> I have a intel server board SE7501HG2. Can the host raid be setup for the 4.0.1 release to get raid 0/1. Or do you have to select non-hostraid drivers? I've looked at intel and adaptecs' website and they say only up to rh9 is supported. Is it possible to have a hardware raid on this mobo or not? TIA Mark -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD#3 Unity, Maine 04988 Gumprechtm at msln.net From webmaster at vol.org Tue Oct 5 14:26:07 2004 From: webmaster at vol.org (george kocke) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 09:26:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Printing from Acrobat In-Reply-To: <1096930945.22433.59.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1096930945.22433.59.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1096986366.28531.16.camel@tardis.london.volnet> On Mon, 2004-10-04 at 18:02, John Baillie wrote: > A student asked me how to print multiple copies of a pdf file from > Acrobat. I did not find a way to do it from the gui. To which he > replied, "It's easy to do on my computer" I use a program called gtklp ( http://gtklp.sourceforge.net/ ) for printing from Mozilla and Acrobat. gtklp allows the user to select the desired printer, number of copies and pretty much any option you can think of (like duplex printing if you have the right PPD). I had to modify the following file to tell Acrobat to use gtklp rather than lpr: /usr/lib/acroread/Reader/intellinux/app-defaults/AcroRead This is what I changed: *lprCommand:gtklp The only drawback to using something like gtklp is that it takes one more step to print. The use has to select the print function in Acrobat, Mozilla, whatever, and select it again when gtklp pops up. Good luck. -- george kocke ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ From lewis at pcc.com Tue Oct 5 14:24:56 2004 From: lewis at pcc.com (Lewis Holcroft) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 10:24:56 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] CISCO vpn client for linux Message-ID: <54B430F8-16DA-11D9-A698-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> Hi all, I have rolled out a K12LTSP 4.0 cluster of 5 servers (I could upgrade but I just got this installation working and am going to wait a while) and now that we have all the equipment in we are told that the client needs to use a $MS product. The vendor does not offer a Linux version so.... The first step is to set up a vpn link. The vendor uses CISCO 3000 series product and has sent along a copy of the cisco vpn client version 4.6.00.0045-k9. This requires the kernel source to install. That was fun to install. When I start the daemon I get messages about tainting the kernel, which concerns me. Should I be concerned? I think so. Is anyone running this vpn client? If so, does it work well or have problems? Thanks Lewis From petre at maltzen.net Tue Oct 5 14:37:10 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 09:37:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Firewall In-Reply-To: <4158A96D.8010204@cmosnetworks.com> References: <41587EB8.1010509@honeygroveisd.net> <4158A96D.8010204@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <4162B196.1020607@maltzen.net> Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > If you're talking about 500-1000 "regular", unencrypted TCP connections, > then virtually any Pentium II box with, say, 128MB DRAM will be somewhat > overkill; a 32MB 486DX-33 will do the job. If, on the other hand, you > mean 500-1000 VPN connections, then you'd better get the biggest, > baddest, beefiest CPUs that you can possibly afford, and preferably more > than one physical box like that. Personally, I'd be looking into > hardware crypto acceleration at that point. > Actually, hardware crypto accelerators don't work as well as a fast Intel CPU. Our parent corporation pushed a software-based session management package for an internal web-based app on us; the point was to create a virtual 'session' of sorts for security reasons. We suggested instead just setting up Apache to proxy the users' connections to the backend. But they said they had tried that, including using hardware-based SSL encryption accelerators in some 500Mhz Sun boxes, and the performance had been awful and unable to scale past about 30 users. However, according to a study called "SSL Accelerator Performance: Determining metrics and limiting factors" by SimpleAccess (I can't find the document on the web anywhere, but I have a printed copy that I could scan if anyone is interested), while CPU speed often is a minor factor in performance, especially in Unix contexts, encryption is one are where CPU speed DOES matter. We put in a couple of dual-CPU 1.4 Ghz boxes (the fastest available at the time) and are able to proxy well over 100 encrypted user sessions per box, and they never break a sweat. We have two boxes just for redundancy, since they're cheap. We got rid of corporate's software-based solution (which was a pain to configure and manage) and we've never had any problems since. All of which is to say that if you are going to do a bunch of VPN sessions, I think you'll have more success with faster CPUs than with hardware-based accelerators. Petre From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Tue Oct 5 15:54:32 2004 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 08:54:32 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Internet Cafe Message-ID: Is anyone using an internet cafe (time tracking, billing) application for LTSP that they are happy with? -- Steve Hargadon 916-652-8600 ext. 711 From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Tue Oct 5 16:43:13 2004 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 09:43:13 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Rookie Question: Synaptic and apt-get in K12LTSP 4.1.0 Message-ID: Is there any reason I am not able to find Synaptic in K12LTSP 4.1.0, or to use apt-get? Both, it seemed to me, were included in 4.0.1. -- Steve Hargadon 916-652-8600 ext. 711 From les at futuresource.com Tue Oct 5 16:52:50 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 11:52:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP on a non-standard port In-Reply-To: <9326098004100420552ff412f4@mail.gmail.com> References: <93260980041001150455baaabc@mail.gmail.com> <415E1FF1.8000002@telus.net> <9326098004100420552ff412f4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1096995169.23270.26.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2004-10-04 at 22:55, Jay Pfaffman wrote: > Actually, all I want is a way to boot from a CD or floppy and connect > to my server. I'm OK with a "chubby client" if I can boot from a CD > and have my server's k12ltsp login come up. If the DHCP on a > separate port doesn't make things easier, I don't need to do it. You can do this with a knoppix CD if you type knoppix 3 at it's boot prompt to keep it from starting its own window manger, then X -query server_name to get the graphical login from the server. I don't know if this can be made more automatic without re-mastering the CD. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From bear2bar at netscape.net Tue Oct 5 16:58:27 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 12:58:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Rookie Question: Synaptic and apt-get in K12LTSP 4.1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4162D2B3.7090303@netscape.net> Hi Steve, Yes you do have to install it in 4.1 aside from the standard disto. 1) yum install apt 2) apt-get install synaptic then you're all set .. :-) norbert steve.hargadon at gmail.com wrote: >Is there any reason I am not able to find Synaptic in K12LTSP 4.1.0, >or to use apt-get? Both, it seemed to me, were included in 4.0.1. > > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Oct 5 17:16:00 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 10:16:00 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] apt-get question Message-ID: <4162D6D0.3080108@paasda.org> does apt-get on the k12ltsp 4.1 distro look for rpm's or .deb's? or both or neither? if I use a debian apt-get resource will it likely fubar things? don't wanna mangle my server, but am looking for some specific packages I know are available to my debian system but are not found with my default k12ltsp apt resource list. --Huck From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Oct 5 17:55:28 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 10:55:28 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Is 4.1.1 ready? In-Reply-To: <1096560934.16122.23.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1096560934.16122.23.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <1096998928.16122.139.camel@server.ltsp> On Thu, 2004-09-30 at 09:15, Eric Harrison wrote: > If you want to help with the testing of the updated 4.1.x packages, they > are available here: > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/ > > There are major updates to mindi, mondo, mozilla, qcad, scribus, and > squidGuard that need as much testing as possible. > > If there are any other major bugs or updates I've missed, please let > me know... > > If you really want the full test-build ISOs (not production quality!), > they are here: > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/4.1.1/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/4.1.1/ . > I've completed my testing of the 4.1.1 ISOs & updated packages and am happy with the results. I see that quite a few people have downloaded these as well, but I have not had a single report back. If you have tried any or all of these, would you be so kind as to post your experiences? I'm going to be gone Thursday->Sunday this week, so I'd really like to get these out tomorrow if at all possible... -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From cwt137 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 5 18:17:41 2004 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 11:17:41 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Stateless Linux in the news Message-ID: <4162E545.9030004@yahoo.com> I found this article over at OSnews. Now I understand what stateless Linux is all about. http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1666122,00.asp I know it has to do with 'thin clients' and 'centralized management' but I'm not sure how it can help the LTSP community. From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Tue Oct 5 19:00:29 2004 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 14:00:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] apt-get question In-Reply-To: <4162D6D0.3080108@paasda.org> References: <4162D6D0.3080108@paasda.org> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Oct 5, 2004, at 12:16 PM, Huck wrote: > does apt-get on the k12ltsp 4.1 distro look for rpm's or .deb's? > or both or neither? > It looks for rpms. > if I use a debian apt-get resource will it likely fubar things? > Well, it's not going to install them. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkFi700ACgkQfqZR3ThMfXSPwgCfSgdXlrdPajob4luRLD9mm2wq I6UAn3QsYJxrEtwKv5m81EOj2+q17Yl+ =T1UL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From trondrm at online.no Tue Oct 5 20:35:20 2004 From: trondrm at online.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Trond_M=E6hlum?=) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 22:35:20 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] CISCO vpn client for linux In-Reply-To: <54B430F8-16DA-11D9-A698-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> Message-ID: <200410052035.i95KZIpa012286@mail42.nsc.no> k12osn-bounces at redhat.com wrote: > Hi all, > > I have rolled out a K12LTSP 4.0 cluster of 5 servers (I could > upgrade but I just got this installation working and am going > to wait a while) and now that we have all the equipment in we > are told that the client needs to use a $MS product. The > vendor does not offer a Linux version so.... > > The first step is to set up a vpn link. The vendor uses CISCO > 3000 series product and has sent along a copy of the cisco > vpn client version 4.6.00.0045-k9. > > This requires the kernel source to install. That was fun to install. > > When I start the daemon I get messages about tainting the > kernel, which concerns me. Should I be concerned? I think so. > > Is anyone running this vpn client? > > If so, does it work well or have problems? I do, and have done so on Whitebox EL 3, Fedora 1+2 and Debian Sarge. It works perfectly. Regards Trond M?hlum > Thanks > > Lewis > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From les at futuresource.com Tue Oct 5 21:02:23 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 16:02:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] CISCO vpn client for linux In-Reply-To: <54B430F8-16DA-11D9-A698-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> References: <54B430F8-16DA-11D9-A698-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> Message-ID: <1097010142.23899.14.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2004-10-05 at 09:24, Lewis Holcroft wrote: > When I start the daemon I get messages about tainting the kernel, which > concerns me. Should I be concerned? I think so. In this case 'tainted' doesn't have anything to do with whether or how well the code works. It has to do with the licensing terms for the code copyright and is telling you the kernel is not pure GPL. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us Tue Oct 5 21:40:24 2004 From: rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us (Rick O'Dell) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 16:40:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SSH In-Reply-To: <416243A7.9090409@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: Thanks to all who responded. I think I'll just turn It off... Rick O'Dell Net Work Administrator Bakersfield R4 School Dst. Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Brian Chase Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 1:48 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] SSH Rick, SSH is mainly for your use. If you are an administrator of the LTSP server and don't use SSH to get to it, then I see no reason why you couldn't disable it. It certainly wouldn't disable the terminal clients, as they do not use SSH for local LTSP "X" operations. The only thing I could think of that might be disabled is if you like to VNC into the LTSP server via SSH over the internet from home or something, but I'd imagine that access would only be for administrators anyway. My advice is try and disable it and see if anyone complains and find out why. Rick O'Dell wrote: > I'm running Postfix on a k12ltsp 4.01. Log Watch for mail logs an >unauthorized user trying to login. It list dozens of passwords they have >tried. I have dumped the Ip address into host deny file, but next day a new >ip address (possibly on a dialup). My question is, what if I disable SSH or >is this a no no??????? What are the adverse effects to me??? > >Rick O'Dell >Net Work Administrator >Bakersfield R4 School Dst. >Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 >rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us >-- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 7.0.271 / Virus Database: 264.9.9 - Release Date: 10/1/2004 > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.271 / Virus Database: 264.10.0 - Release Date: 10/5/2004 -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.271 / Virus Database: 264.10.0 - Release Date: 10/5/2004 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Oct 5 21:47:21 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 17:47:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] apt-get question In-Reply-To: <4162D6D0.3080108@paasda.org> References: <4162D6D0.3080108@paasda.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, October 5, 2004 at 1:16 PM +0000 wrote: >don't wanna mangle my server, but am looking for some specific packages >I know are >available to my debian system but are not found with my default k12ltsp >apt resource list. It's one of those square peg...round hole things.....debian is different under the hood than Fedora....therefore .debs will not install. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Oct 5 21:47:21 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 17:47:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] apt-get question In-Reply-To: <4162D6D0.3080108@paasda.org> References: <4162D6D0.3080108@paasda.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, October 5, 2004 at 1:16 PM +0000 wrote: >don't wanna mangle my server, but am looking for some specific packages >I know are >available to my debian system but are not found with my default k12ltsp >apt resource list. It's one of those square peg...round hole things.....debian is different under the hood than Fedora....therefore .debs will not install. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Oct 5 23:42:24 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 19:42:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] CISCO vpn client for linux In-Reply-To: <54B430F8-16DA-11D9-A698-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> References: <54B430F8-16DA-11D9-A698-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> Message-ID: <41633160.7050104@cmosnetworks.com> Lewis Holcroft wrote: > Hi all, > > I have rolled out a K12LTSP 4.0 cluster of 5 servers (I could upgrade > but I just got this installation working and am going to wait a > while) and now that we have all the equipment in we are told that the > client needs to use a $MS product. The vendor does not offer a Linux > version so.... > > The first step is to set up a vpn link. The vendor uses CISCO 3000 > series product and has sent along a copy of the cisco vpn client > version 4.6.00.0045-k9. > > This requires the kernel source to install. That was fun to install. > > When I start the daemon I get messages about tainting the kernel, > which concerns me. Should I be concerned? I think so. > > Is anyone running this vpn client? > > If so, does it work well or have problems? > > Thanks > > Lewis > I have been using the Cisco VPN Client since v4.0.3B, up to and including the 4.6 version specified above, since 4.0.3B came out. Works fine, though for 2.6 kernels, experience has taught me that you will need the 4.6 version for reliable operation. I have successfully done this on Red Hat Linux 9, Slackware GNU/Linux 9.1 and 10.0, and SuSE Linux 9.1. "Tainted" simply means that a proprietary, i. e. non-GPL kernel module is getting inserted into the kernel. Doesn't affect operation, but I wish Cisco would be less anally retentive about the GPL. --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Tue Oct 5 23:47:53 2004 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 16:47:53 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Rookie Question: Synaptic and apt-get in K12LTSP 4.1.0 In-Reply-To: <4162D2B3.7090303@netscape.net> References: <4162D2B3.7090303@netscape.net> Message-ID: > Yes you do have to install it in 4.1 aside from the standard disto. > 1) yum install apt > 2) apt-get install synaptic > Actually, that didn't work. Yum couldn't find synaptic in the standard respositories. I had to follow the instructions for synaptic here: http://fedoranews.org/contributors/tim_taylor/synaptic/ -- Steve Hargadon 916-652-8600 ext. 711 From pbenson at ffni.com Wed Oct 6 00:20:17 2004 From: pbenson at ffni.com (Phil Benson) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 19:20:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Internet Cafe In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Steve, You can try the link below. I have not tried it http://akinimod.sourceforge.net/dc_web/ Phil Benson Embroidery Nation http://www.embroiderynation.com/ -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Steve Hargadon Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 10:55 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Internet Cafe Is anyone using an internet cafe (time tracking, billing) application for LTSP that they are happy with? -- Steve Hargadon 916-652-8600 ext. 711 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Oct 6 00:59:14 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 20:59:14 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Rookie Question: Synaptic and apt-get in K12LTSP 4.1.0 In-Reply-To: References: < > <4162D2B3.7090303@netscape.net> Message-ID: Steve Hargadon on Tuesday, October 05, 2004 at 7:47 PM +0000 wrote: >Actually, that didn't work. Yum couldn't find synaptic in the >standard respositories. I had to follow the instructions for synaptic >here: You misread....norbert said to use yum to install apt...and then use apt-get to install synaptic It works because I just did it to be sure....using K12LTSP 4.1 David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From robark at telus.net Wed Oct 6 01:40:15 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 18:40:15 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Hostraid and ltsp 4.0.1 In-Reply-To: <416298F7.7060102@msln.net> References: <416298F7.7060102@msln.net> Message-ID: <41634CFF.4080607@telus.net> Mark Gumprecht wrote: > I have a intel server board SE7501HG2. Can the host raid be setup for > the 4.0.1 release to get raid 0/1. Or do you have to select > non-hostraid drivers? I've looked at intel and adaptecs' website and > they say only up to rh9 is supported. Is it possible to have a > hardware raid on this mobo or not? > TIA > Mark > I got this board as part of my system for my school. It has been excellent. It has an excellent Adaptec SCSI controller on board (aic7902). However, Linux does NOT support Host Raid. Host raid is actually software raid for Windows (ITS NOT HARDWARE RAID). There are drivers for Windows to make it work but not for Linux. However, the linux kernel will support software raid using LVM, which is just as fast as some hardware raid setups. (Although I have not tried it, I know it's done when you setup your partitions) The beautiful aspect of this MB is that is has TWO scsi channels. So you can even have the full throughput of each channel and raid them through the kernel. All I did was use one scsi drive for / and another for /home. I have not tried raid. I'm using k12ltsp 3.1.2 (redhat 9) and not 4.0.1 (FC1) because I need stable SMP kernel with 2 Xeons. However, 4.1 (FC2) is supposed to be stable with SMP kernel. BTW my system is even stable with bigmem smp kernel although I've only got 4GB ram. So if I ever have to upgrade to 6GB and run 2 labs of 30 off the one server I could do it. That's the other nice feature of this MB it's got 6 memory slots. A couple of notes. You MUST disable HostRaid in the bios for the controller to work with Linux. Also, I down graded each scsi channel to 160 mb/s instead of 320 mb/s. The system was not fully stable at 320mb/s because of scsi driver issues. Don't worry though a new 10k rpm scsi drive only needs around 60 mb/s bandwidth. So you should be okay for about 3 drives/channel at full throttle for all of them (highly unlikely). I don't think you will ever need more than 6 scsi drives for k12ltsp. The driver for the kernel is written by Justin Gibbs. He had some issues/disagreements with James Bottomley (kernel maintainer) and Linus Torvalds. So he pulled the drivers before version 2.0.x from his site. The 2.6 series kernel has adaptec scsi aic79xx driver 1.3.x in it. But if you go with k12ltsp 4.0.1 (FC1 & kernel 2.4.22) or earlier you will have to use a driver update disk (DUD) from here http://people.freebsd.org/~gibbs/linux/ This disk has to be made with dd and must be used during installation of the OS in Expert mode. If you go with k12ltsp 4.1 (FC2) , no worries, it has stable scsi adaptec aic79xx driver 1.3.x built in since it comes with kernel 2.6.5 If I was you, I would go with k12ltsp 4.1 (FC2) from the beginning. It will be the easiest for you. I did not have this option when I started. Hope that helps Good luck BTW the drivers on adaptec/intel sites are very old (don't use them) Robert Arkiletian From robark at telus.net Wed Oct 6 01:48:33 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 18:48:33 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] yum problem In-Reply-To: <4EA4619FAF476A458251D2BF640192EF94DDE3@OCSMAIL.orange.k12.nc.us> References: <4EA4619FAF476A458251D2BF640192EF94DDE3@OCSMAIL.orange.k12.nc.us> Message-ID: <41634EF1.7060307@telus.net> Greg Thoyre wrote: > I have been trying for the last few weeks to use yum to update my > packages for 4.1.0. It just won?t finish downloading the headers. I > suspect there is simply too much traffic. Anyone have a solution? Thanks! > > All email correspondence to and from this address is subject to the > North Carolina Public Records Law, which may result in monitoring and > disclosure to third parties, including law enforcement. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > check out a reply from Petre Scheie to a query of mine from the end of Sept 04 (last month). Header "yum.conf for 3.1.2 please". He posted a whole bunch of mirror sites for the repositories. Good luck Robert Arkiletian From petre at maltzen.net Wed Oct 6 02:45:43 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 21:45:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SSH In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41635C57.3090909@maltzen.net> Rick O'Dell wrote: > I'm running Postfix on a k12ltsp 4.01. Log Watch for mail logs an >unauthorized user trying to login. It list dozens of passwords they have >tried. I have dumped the Ip address into host deny file, but next day a new >ip address (possibly on a dialup). My question is, what if I disable SSH or >is this a no no??????? What are the adverse effects to me??? > > > I'm not sure I understand the situation, whether unauthorized users are trying to get in via ssh or by talking to Postfix on port 25. But if it's ssh, some friends and I noticed a month or so ago a signficant increase in the number of login attempts with bogus IDs via ssh. Many of the source addresses were from southeast asia, if that matters. We're not sure if some new script kit was making the rounds or what, but to dodge the bullet, and reduce the size of the logging, we all moved sshd to listening on ports other than the default 22. I set some of my boxes to 2322, for example, and virtually all those bogus attempts disappeared. Petre From Steven at StevenSantos.com Wed Oct 6 02:54:33 2004 From: Steven at StevenSantos.com (Steven Santos) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 22:54:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Stateless Linux in the news In-Reply-To: <20041005213910.18F0D74315@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <000401c4ab4f$cfa7e730$6701a8c0@santoswintergr> > I found this article over at OSnews. Now I understand what stateless > Linux is all about. > http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1666122,00.asp > I know it has to do with 'thin clients' and 'centralized management' but > I'm not sure how it can help the LTSP community. >From the article, I can see a lot of possible benifits to the K12LTSP community if this works. 1. Distribute OS, applications to fat clients where possible. Room full of desktops with good HW specs? Want to take advantage of that hardware, but keep the ease of management of K12LTSP? This seems like an answer. 2. Laptops. syncs users home on connect, same ease of management as #1. 3. Large scale deployment. Think about it, every application server, mail server, DNS server, firewall, print server, even K12LTSP server (etc) could boot this way. 4. Unreliable network connections. This system seems like it should work when the connection to the central server is slow, or down. Boot server at each location syncs with the central server. All other servers boot (or sync) to the local boot server. The local /home server syncs with the main /home server when the connection is up, or overnight (etc) We talked about some of this a year or so back. The idea was good then, and it is even better now. I look forward to seeing what comes of this. From robark at telus.net Wed Oct 6 02:57:47 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 19:57:47 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Update OOo/Mozilla with yum? Message-ID: <41635F2B.9030203@telus.net> I have read some nightmare stories of updating OOo or Mozilla only to realize that each user must have some config files edited or desktop icons and menus not working. I have k12ltsp 3.1.2 with OOo 1.0.2 and Mozilla 1.2.1. Can I do #yum update without problems? I have already done #yum check-update and listed packages OOo 1.0.2-11 and Mozilla 1.4.2 along with Xfree86 and whole bunch of other updates. BTW I have excluded the kernel from being updated with yum. Call me chicken, but I'm just too scared it will hose the system. Robert Arkiletian From robark at telus.net Wed Oct 6 04:02:39 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 21:02:39 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP on a non-standard port In-Reply-To: <9326098004100420552ff412f4@mail.gmail.com> References: <93260980041001150455baaabc@mail.gmail.com> <415E1FF1.8000002@telus.net> <9326098004100420552ff412f4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41636E5F.4020109@telus.net> Jay Pfaffman wrote: >Actually, all I want is a way to boot from a CD or floppy and connect >to my server. I'm OK with a "chubby client" if I can boot from a CD >and have my server's k12ltsp login come up. If the DHCP on a >separate port doesn't make things easier, I don't need to do it. > > > > Okay I understand what you mean. If you boot from floppy or CD you want k12ltsp (thin client) if not you want school system (fat client). That's why you want 2 dhcp servers to be handled. Check this out http://www.etherboot.org/doc/html/userman/x126.html unfortunately the link to "a practical document" is broken. So look here http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_id=6401&style=flat&viewday=21&viewmonth=200106 or google for +"REQUIRE_VCI_ETHERBOOT" +geocrawler Hope this helps. This way the clients will only get ip's from the k12ltsp server. And (very important) the k12ltsp server will ONLY give out an IP's to the etherboot clients using the "not authoritative" option. Although I would make sure the ltsp server definitely does NOT give out IP's to the rest of the network. I tried this and had limited success. Robert Arkiletian From ssanders at coin.org Wed Oct 6 04:11:31 2004 From: ssanders at coin.org (ssanders at coin.org) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 23:11:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] apt-get question In-Reply-To: References: <4162D6D0.3080108@paasda.org> Message-ID: <1097035891.10316.5.camel@ltsp.bofh> > > does apt-get on the k12ltsp 4.1 distro look for rpm's or .deb's? > > or both or neither? as several have said, apt-get is originally a debian tool, that now works on redhat variants. whether you are getting a .deb or .rpm depends on what source repositories you have set up to get them from (you want .rpm). i haven't used it for a long time, but Alien is a tool to convert to and from .deb/.rpm/.tgz/.slp (Solaris). this should *definitely* not be used to install any important system packages. you may also easily involve yourself back in dependency hell, but for simple packages, can work well. YMMV -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From petre at maltzen.net Wed Oct 6 13:41:41 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 08:41:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Include IceWMCP in future releases? Message-ID: <4163F615.4080603@maltzen.net> This question is ostensibly for Eric, but I wanted others' opinions on the matter, too. Is there any reason IceWMCP, the IceWM Control Panel, could not be included in future releases? I use IceWM most of the time because of its better performance. And I don't mind editing the menu and toolbar files by hand. But it seems to me that a graphical tool for handling these things would make K12LTSP more accessible to a wider audience, particularly those who are averse to editing text files for configuration. Mandrake for many years included the IceWM Menu Editor (IceWM ME), which I found to be convenient and a fun way to test new themes. IceWM ME has now been absorbed into IceWMCP, which provides some additional tools. Allowing admins, particularly those who are new to linux, an easy way to modify the menu system seems like a reasonable addition to K12LTSP, especially since Eric must manually add the IceWM to the stock RH/Fedora. Thoughts? Petre From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Oct 6 14:10:27 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 09:10:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SSH In-Reply-To: <41635C57.3090909@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <000c01c4abae$3b1afc60$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > I set some of my boxes to 2322, for example, and virtually all those bogus attempts disappeared. Perfect. How do you change the port it listens on? I want to change mine today, all of these attempts to hack into my boxes is pissing me off. You'd think I had a Windows machine running here or something. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.772 / Virus Database: 519 - Release Date: 10/1/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From petre at maltzen.net Wed Oct 6 15:16:20 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 10:16:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SSH In-Reply-To: <000c01c4abae$3b1afc60$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000c01c4abae$3b1afc60$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <41640C44.10504@maltzen.net> Look for the #Port 22 setting in /etc/ssh/sshd_config. It's near the top. Take out the #, change the number to the port you want to use, something above 1024. Be sure to restart sshd after you make the change. Petre Jim Kronebusch wrote: >>I set some of my boxes to 2322, for example, and virtually all those > > bogus attempts disappeared. > > Perfect. How do you change the port it listens on? I want to change > mine today, all of these attempts to hack into my boxes is pissing me > off. You'd think I had a Windows machine running here or something. > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.772 / Virus Database: 519 - Release Date: 10/1/2004 > > > From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Oct 6 15:33:12 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 10:33:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SSH In-Reply-To: <41640C44.10504@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <003201c4abb9$ca23f4b0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > Look for the > > #Port 22 > > setting in /etc/ssh/sshd_config. It's near the top. Take > out the #, change the > number to the port you want to use, something above 1024. Be > sure to restart > sshd after you make the change. I did the exact steps and changed to port 222. Now I can connect on port 222 via ssh but can also still connect on 22 as well. Am I missing something? No big deal, I'll just block 22 on the firewall and let 222 through. But I would like 22 to not be available internal as well. Thanks for the help. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.772 / Virus Database: 519 - Release Date: 10/1/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From lewis at pcc.com Wed Oct 6 15:22:22 2004 From: lewis at pcc.com (Lewis Holcroft) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 11:22:22 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] CISCO vpn client for linux In-Reply-To: <41633160.7050104@cmosnetworks.com> References: <54B430F8-16DA-11D9-A698-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> <41633160.7050104@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <84DC9068-17AB-11D9-B15F-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> Thanks, I'm glad to know this is in use and works. I should say I am new to this process and site I am connecting too are all windows folks. So the learning curve is steep. I did run into a problem. I am running the vpnclient on the server and when it does connect the LAN gets disabled. This is a problem as all of the local desktops stop responding. Are folks using the vpnclient on the server or on workstations on the network? Is this a configurable option? I'm working with no documentation here. So I'm really in the dark. Lewis On Oct 5, 2004, at 7:42 PM, Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > Lewis Holcroft wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I have rolled out a K12LTSP 4.0 cluster of 5 servers (I could upgrade >> but I just got this installation working and am going to wait a >> while) and now that we have all the equipment in we are told that >> the client needs to use a $MS product. The vendor does not offer a >> Linux version so.... >> >> The first step is to set up a vpn link. The vendor uses CISCO 3000 >> series product and has sent along a copy of the cisco vpn client >> version 4.6.00.0045-k9. >> >> This requires the kernel source to install. That was fun to install. >> >> When I start the daemon I get messages about tainting the kernel, >> which concerns me. Should I be concerned? I think so. >> >> Is anyone running this vpn client? >> >> If so, does it work well or have problems? >> >> Thanks >> >> Lewis >> > > I have been using the Cisco VPN Client since v4.0.3B, up to and > including the 4.6 version specified above, since 4.0.3B came out. > Works fine, though for 2.6 kernels, experience has taught me that you > will need the 4.6 version for reliable operation. > > I have successfully done this on Red Hat Linux 9, Slackware GNU/Linux > 9.1 and 10.0, and SuSE Linux 9.1. "Tainted" simply means that a > proprietary, i. e. non-GPL kernel module is getting inserted into the > kernel. Doesn't affect operation, but I wish Cisco would be less > anally retentive about the GPL. > > --TP > _____________________ > Do you GNU!? > Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check > it out! > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From petre at maltzen.net Wed Oct 6 16:48:43 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 11:48:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SSH In-Reply-To: <003201c4abb9$ca23f4b0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> References: <003201c4abb9$ca23f4b0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <416421EB.5020509@maltzen.net> Jim Kronebusch wrote: >>Look for the >> >>#Port 22 >> >>setting in /etc/ssh/sshd_config. It's near the top. Take >>out the #, change the >>number to the port you want to use, something above 1024. Be >>sure to restart >>sshd after you make the change. > > > I did the exact steps and changed to port 222. Now I can connect on > port 222 via ssh but can also still connect on 22 as well. Am I missing > something? No big deal, I'll just block 22 on the firewall and let 222 > through. But I would like 22 to not be available internal as well. > > Thanks for the help. > Don't use port 222, it's already reserved for something else. Use a port above 1024. On my box, setting the port to 2322 in sshd_config makes the daemon stop listening on port 22; I get rejected immediately if I try to connect on that port. Just for fun, I set the port to 222: nmap says something is listening on that port but I can't seem to connect. But since that port is reserved for another purpose, I suggest just staying away from it. Petre From phealy at dsusd.k12.ca.us Wed Oct 6 17:27:35 2004 From: phealy at dsusd.k12.ca.us (Patrick Healy) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 10:27:35 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Is 4.1.1. ready? Message-ID: <1097083655.21900.49.camel@crux> Eric Harrison wrote: > If you want to help with the testing of the updated 4.1.x packages, they > are available here: > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/ > Hi Eric, I don't know if they worked on 4.1, but remember the scribus rpm's didn't work on 4.0. To meet dependencies, I had to install "tkinter" via yum, and "shared-mime-info" which I got here: download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/2/i386/os/Fedora/RPMS/shared-mime-info-0.14-1.i386.rpm I'm guessing maybe those were the source of the problem? Hope this helps, and Thanks! -- Pat -- Patrick Healy Palm Desert High School 43-570 Phyllis Jackson Lane Palm Desert, CA 92260 760-862-4300 x2303 From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Oct 6 17:46:52 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 10:46:52 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] odd atalk error Message-ID: <41642F8C.7030001@paasda.org> Odd stuff with atalk, any guru please lend guidance. afpd and papd work fine I guess but atalkd itself doesn't start. k12ltsp 4.1...standard 'everything' install. Oct 6 10:35:02 ltsp afpd[14413]: [main.c:89]: I:AFPDaemon: shutting down on signal 15 Oct 6 10:35:02 ltsp atalk: afpd shutdown succeeded Oct 6 10:35:02 ltsp atalk: papd shutdown succeeded Oct 6 10:35:02 ltsp atalk: atalkd shutdown failed Oct 6 10:35:02 ltsp kernel: NET: Unregistered protocol family 5 Oct 6 10:35:02 ltsp kernel: NET: Registered protocol family 5 Oct 6 10:35:02 ltsp atalkd[14459]: [main.c:1090]: I:ATalkDaemon: restart (1.6.4) Oct 6 10:35:02 ltsp atalkd[14459]: [main.c:1366]: E:ATalkDaemon: bind 0.0:6: Cannot assign requested address Oct 6 10:35:02 ltsp atalkd: AppleTalk not up! Check your syslog for the reason. Oct 6 10:35:02 ltsp atalkd: Child exited with 1. Oct 6 10:35:02 ltsp atalk: atalkd startup failed Oct 6 10:35:02 ltsp papd[14466]: [main.c:278]: I:PAPDaemon: restart (1.6.4) Oct 6 10:35:02 ltsp atalk: papd startup succeeded Oct 6 10:35:02 ltsp afpd[14470]: [afp_config.c:204]: E:AFPDaemon: main: atp_open: Cannot assign requested address Oct 6 10:35:02 ltsp afpd[14470]: [afp_config.c:311]: I:AFPDaemon: ASIP started on 127.0.0.1:548(0) (1.6.4) Oct 6 10:35:02 ltsp afpd[14470]: [auth.c:560]: I:AFPDaemon: uam: uams_clrtxt.so loaded Oct 6 10:35:02 ltsp afpd[14470]: [auth.c:560]: I:AFPDaemon: uam: uams_dhx.so loaded Oct 6 10:35:02 ltsp afpd[14470]: [auth.c:127]: I:AFPDaemon: uam: "DHCAST128" available Oct 6 10:35:02 ltsp afpd[14470]: [auth.c:127]: I:AFPDaemon: uam: "Cleartxt Passwrd" available Oct 6 10:35:02 ltsp atalk: afpd startup succeeded Thanks in advance! --Huck From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Wed Oct 6 18:09:52 2004 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 07:09:52 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] Compaq deskpro PXE error In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20041006180952.HVMX56.mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz@Nendu> I bought a Compaq deskpro SFF 300 Celeron When I try network boot it get the ip address from DHCP but then PXE fails with the following message. No PXE server found, using standard boot file IP ADDR: 192.168.1.253 TFTP...... Then it times out. Any way around this error? From trondrm at online.no Wed Oct 6 19:32:27 2004 From: trondrm at online.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Trond_M=E6hlum?=) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 21:32:27 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Compaq deskpro PXE error In-Reply-To: <20041006180952.HVMX56.mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz@Nendu> Message-ID: <200410061932.i96JWO3D002033@mail42.nsc.no> k12osn-bounces at redhat.com wrote: > I bought a Compaq deskpro SFF 300 Celeron When I try network > boot it get the ip address from DHCP but then PXE fails with the > following message. > > No PXE server found, using standard boot file IP ADDR: 192.168.1.253 > TFTP...... I got exactly this on several Compaq SFF 400's. I flashed the bios using the latest rom image (it was called rompaq) from hp.com. Worked for me. Regards Trond M?hlum > > Then it times out. > Any way around this error? > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Oct 6 21:12:11 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 17:12:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] help deciphering a log file from a crash Message-ID: Hi all, I had a system freeze this a.m. (and sure enough I was not at school to fix it) that locked up the server to a point where we had to turn it off and back on. Simply cycling the power seems to have fixed it, but it has happened twice now in two weeks...and oddly enough...at the same time of day (almost to the minute) and with the same 5th grade class....who I only see every third day. SO....I'm researching the logs to see if I can find out why. Below is the last set of log entries in /var/log/messages from the time of the crash to the reboot....note the time jump from nearly 8 a.m. until almost noon....(that's how long before I knew). Anyway...I'm trying to figure out just what may have happened...anyone got any ideas? The first set of entries is the one from this a.m. just before the crash....the second set is a typical set of entries when a person logs in....such as my daughter Olivia :-) There are several error messages...and these occur for everyone....remember I'm using a Samba/LDAP server and exporting (thus mounting) /home....everything runs fine, but I'm wondering if there's something I may be missing that could be fixed....let me know if anything makes sense to you..... ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= Entries from just before the crash +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= Oct 6 08:10:27 k12ltsp gdm(pam_unix)[2692]: session opened for user iwistar by (uid=0) Oct 6 08:10:30 ws1791.ltsp ltspinfod: Connection from 10.0.15.253 port 60924 Oct 6 08:10:31 k12ltsp gconfd (iwistar-3267): starting (version 2.6.0), pid 3267 user 'iwistar' Oct 6 08:10:31 k12ltsp gconfd (iwistar-3268): starting (version 2.6.0), pid 3268 user 'iwistar' Oct 6 08:10:31 k12ltsp gconfd (iwistar-3268): Failed to get lock for daemon, exiting: Failed to lock '/tmp/gconfd-iwistar/lock/ior': probably another process has the lock, or your operating system has NFS file locking misconfigured (Resource temporarily unavailable) Oct 6 08:10:31 k12ltsp gconfd (iwistar-3267): Resolved address "xml:readonly:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory" to a read-only config source at position 0 Oct 6 08:10:31 k12ltsp gconfd (iwistar-3267): Resolved address "xml:readwrite:/home//iwistar/.gconf" to a writable config source at position 1 Oct 6 08:10:31 k12ltsp gconfd (iwistar-3267): Resolved address "xml:readonly:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults" to a read-only config source at position 2 Oct 6 08:10:32 k12ltsp bonobo-activation-server (iwistar-3283): iid OAFIID:BrokenNoType:20000808 has a NULL type Oct 6 08:10:32 k12ltsp bonobo-activation-server (iwistar-3283): invalid character '#' in iid 'OAFIID:This#!!%$iid%^$%_|~!OAFIID_ContainsBadChars' Oct 6 08:10:49 ws120.ltsp -- MARK -- Oct 6 08:11:44 ws3835.ltsp -- MARK -- Oct 6 08:12:41 ws2286.ltsp -- MARK -- Oct 6 08:14:37 k12ltsp rpc.mountd: authenticated mount request from ws117.ltsp:655 for /opt/ltsp/i386 (/opt/ltsp/i386) Oct 6 08:14:39 ws117.ltsp syslogd started: BusyBox v0.60.4 (2004.08.05-22:58+0000) Oct 6 08:14:54 ws117.ltsp init: Entering runlevel: 5 Oct 6 08:15:35 k12ltsp gdm(pam_unix)[5081]: check pass; user unknown Oct 6 08:15:35 k12ltsp gdm(pam_unix)[5081]: authentication failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty=ws117.ltsp:0 ruser= rhost=ws117.ltsp Oct 6 08:15:35 k12ltsp gdm(pam_unix)[5081]: session opened for user aspicer by (uid=0) Oct 6 08:15:36 k12ltsp kernel: Badness in __put_task_struct at kernel/fork.c:87 Oct 6 08:15:36 k12ltsp kernel: [<0211e818>] __put_task_struct+0x24/0xc2 Oct 6 08:15:36 k12ltsp kernel: [<021223cd>] release_task+0x1d5/0x1e6 Oct 6 11:53:36 k12ltsp syslogd 1.4.1: restart (remote reception). Oct 6 11:53:36 k12ltsp syslog: syslogd startup succeeded Oct 6 11:53:36 k12ltsp syslog: klogd startup succeeded +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= Entries for a typical user logging in....I get these for everyone ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= Oct 6 16:37:19 k12ltsp rpc.mountd: authenticated mount request from ws128.ltsp:655 for /opt/ltsp/i386 (/opt/ltsp/i386) Oct 6 16:37:20 ws128.ltsp syslogd started: BusyBox v0.60.4 (2004.08.05-22:58+0000) Oct 6 16:37:26 ws128.ltsp init: Entering runlevel: 5 Oct 6 16:37:48 k12ltsp gdm(pam_unix)[8939]: check pass; user unknown Oct 6 16:37:48 k12ltsp gdm(pam_unix)[8939]: authentication failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty=ws128.ltsp:0 ruser= rhost=ws128.ltsp Oct 6 16:37:51 k12ltsp gdm-binary[8939]: Couldn't authenticate user Oct 6 16:38:02 k12ltsp gdm(pam_unix)[8939]: check pass; user unknown Oct 6 16:38:02 k12ltsp gdm(pam_unix)[8939]: authentication failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty=ws128.ltsp:0 ruser= rhost=ws128.ltsp Oct 6 16:38:02 k12ltsp gdm(pam_unix)[8939]: session opened for user otrask by (uid=0) Oct 6 16:38:02 k12ltsp gdm[8939]: gdm_auth_user_add: /home//otrask/.Xauthority has wrong permissions (should be 0600) Oct 6 16:38:05 ws128.ltsp ltspinfod: Connection from 10.0.15.253 port 38015 Oct 6 16:38:05 k12ltsp gconfd (otrask-9069): starting (version 2.6.0), pid 9069 user 'otrask' Oct 6 16:38:05 k12ltsp gconfd (otrask-9070): starting (version 2.6.0), pid 9070 user 'otrask' Oct 6 16:38:05 k12ltsp gconfd (otrask-9070): Failed to get lock for daemon, exiting: Failed to lock '/tmp/gconfd-otrask/lock/ior': probably another process has the lock, or your operating system has NFS file locking misconfigured (Resource temporarily unavailable) Oct 6 16:38:05 k12ltsp gconfd (otrask-9069): Resolved address "xml:readonly:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory" to a read-only config source at position 0 Oct 6 16:38:05 k12ltsp gconfd (otrask-9069): Resolved address "xml:readwrite:/home//otrask/.gconf" to a writable config source at position 1 Oct 6 16:38:05 k12ltsp gconfd (otrask-9069): Resolved address "xml:readonly:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults" to a read-only config source at position 2 Oct 6 16:38:06 k12ltsp bonobo-activation-server (otrask-9083): iid OAFIID:BrokenNoType:20000808 has a NULL type Oct 6 16:38:06 k12ltsp bonobo-activation-server (otrask-9083): invalid character '#' in iid 'OAFIID:This#!!%$iid%^$%_|~!OAFIID_ContainsBadChars' +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= thanks! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Wed Oct 6 21:18:05 2004 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 14:18:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] help deciphering a log file from a crash In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3334.10.50.13.231.1097097485.squirrel@10.50.13.231> David Trask said: > Oct 6 08:15:36 k12ltsp kernel: Badness in __put_task_struct at > kernel/fork.c:87 > Oct 6 08:15:36 k12ltsp kernel: [<0211e818>] > __put_task_struct+0x24/0xc2 > Oct 6 08:15:36 k12ltsp kernel: [<021223cd>] release_task+0x1d5/0x1e6 David, I had the exact same thing happen (3 times over the course of a few weeks) on one of our K12LTSP servers shortly after the 2.6.8 kernel was pushed out for FC2. I rolled back to the previous kernel release (2.6.7-) and didn't look back. I didn't bugzilla it at bugzilla.redhat.com; I'm a little overwhelmed w/ other projects right now. I know, BAD admin, bad! -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Wed Oct 6 21:21:29 2004 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 14:21:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] help deciphering a log file from a crash In-Reply-To: <3334.10.50.13.231.1097097485.squirrel@10.50.13.231> References: <3334.10.50.13.231.1097097485.squirrel@10.50.13.231> Message-ID: <3353.10.50.13.231.1097097689.squirrel@10.50.13.231> Dan Young said: > David Trask said: >> Oct 6 08:15:36 k12ltsp kernel: Badness in __put_task_struct at >> kernel/fork.c:87 >> Oct 6 08:15:36 k12ltsp kernel: [<0211e818>] >> __put_task_struct+0x24/0xc2 >> Oct 6 08:15:36 k12ltsp kernel: [<021223cd>] release_task+0x1d5/0x1e6 > > I had the exact same thing happen (3 times over the course of a few > weeks) on one of our K12LTSP servers shortly after the 2.6.8 kernel was > pushed out for FC2. FWIW, the 2.6.8 kernel has been running fine under significant load on other hardware for a while now. Makes me think it's something specific to that hardware/kernel combination. -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Oct 6 22:48:01 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 18:48:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] help deciphering a log file from a crash In-Reply-To: <3353.10.50.13.231.1097097689.squirrel@10.50.13.231> References: <3353.10.50.13.231.1097097689.squirrel@10.50.13.231> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, October 6, 2004 at 5:21 PM +0000 wrote: >FWIW, the 2.6.8 kernel has been running fine under significant load on >other hardware for a while now. Makes me think it's something specific >to that hardware/kernel combination. The weird thing is....everything's been running fine and continues to except these two instances....the strange thing is....same class...(which I only see every third day....saw them last Friday and we had the same thing happen)....same type of freeze although the kernel message did not show up in the Oct. 1st log....almost the exact same time....give or take five mins. Very weird! If it happens a third time....that's it! I'm never letting that class back into the lab! ;-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Oct 6 22:51:16 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 18:51:16 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Include IceWMCP in future releases? In-Reply-To: <4163F615.4080603@maltzen.net> References: <4163F615.4080603@maltzen.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, October 6, 2004 at 9:41 AM +0000 wrote: >This question is ostensibly for Eric, but I wanted others' opinions on >the >matter, too. Is there any reason IceWMCP, the IceWM Control Panel, could >not be >included in future releases? I use IceWM most of the time because of its >better >performance. And I don't mind editing the menu and toolbar files by >hand. But >it seems to me that a graphical tool for handling these things would make >K12LTSP more accessible to a wider audience, particularly those who are >averse >to editing text files for configuration. Mandrake for many years >included the >IceWM Menu Editor (IceWM ME), which I found to be convenient and a fun >way to >test new themes. IceWM ME has now been absorbed into IceWMCP, which >provides >some additional tools. Allowing admins, particularly those who are new >to >linux, an easy way to modify the menu system seems like a reasonable >addition to >K12LTSP, especially since Eric must manually add the IceWM to the stock >RH/Fedora. Thoughts? > >Petre I've never gotten IceWM CP to work, not that I've tried very hard either ;-) But I've used IceMC a lot and most recently have found IceCC "icecc" to be even better. Anyone have a working RPM for IceWM CP for FC2? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Thu Oct 7 00:33:18 2004 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 13:33:18 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] Compaq deskpro PXE error In-Reply-To: <200410061932.i96JWO3D002033@mail42.nsc.no> Message-ID: <000901c4ac05$4d8285b0$0200a8c0@harekrishna.school.nz> How do I do that? -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Trond M?hlum Sent: Thursday, 7 October 2004 8:32 a.m. To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Compaq deskpro PXE error k12osn-bounces at redhat.com wrote: > I bought a Compaq deskpro SFF 300 Celeron When I try network > boot it get the ip address from DHCP but then PXE fails with the > following message. > > No PXE server found, using standard boot file IP ADDR: 192.168.1.253 > TFTP...... I got exactly this on several Compaq SFF 400's. I flashed the bios using the latest rom image (it was called rompaq) from hp.com. Worked for me. Regards Trond M?hlum > > Then it times out. > Any way around this error? > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From microman at cmosnetworks.com Thu Oct 7 01:14:27 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 21:14:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] CISCO vpn client for linux In-Reply-To: <84DC9068-17AB-11D9-B15F-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> References: <54B430F8-16DA-11D9-A698-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> <41633160.7050104@cmosnetworks.com> <84DC9068-17AB-11D9-B15F-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> Message-ID: <41649873.8090008@cmosnetworks.com> Lewis Holcroft wrote: > Thanks, > > I'm glad to know this is in use and works. > > I should say I am new to this process and site I am connecting too are > all windows folks. So the learning curve is steep. > > I did run into a problem. I am running the vpnclient on the server and > when it does connect the LAN gets disabled. This is a problem as all > of the local desktops stop responding. Are folks using the vpnclient > on the server or on workstations on the network? Is this a > configurable option? > > I'm working with no documentation here. So I'm really in the dark. > > Lewis > > On Oct 5, 2004, at 7:42 PM, Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > >> Lewis Holcroft wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I have rolled out a K12LTSP 4.0 cluster of 5 servers (I could >>> upgrade but I just got this installation working and am going to >>> wait a while) and now that we have all the equipment in we are told >>> that the client needs to use a $MS product. The vendor does not >>> offer a Linux version so.... >>> >>> The first step is to set up a vpn link. The vendor uses CISCO 3000 >>> series product and has sent along a copy of the cisco vpn client >>> version 4.6.00.0045-k9. >>> >>> This requires the kernel source to install. That was fun to install. >>> >>> When I start the daemon I get messages about tainting the kernel, >>> which concerns me. Should I be concerned? I think so. >>> >>> Is anyone running this vpn client? >>> >>> If so, does it work well or have problems? >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Lewis >>> >> >> I have been using the Cisco VPN Client since v4.0.3B, up to and >> including the 4.6 version specified above, since 4.0.3B came out. >> Works fine, though for 2.6 kernels, experience has taught me that you >> will need the 4.6 version for reliable operation. >> >> I have successfully done this on Red Hat Linux 9, Slackware GNU/Linux >> 9.1 and 10.0, and SuSE Linux 9.1. "Tainted" simply means that a >> proprietary, i. e. non-GPL kernel module is getting inserted into the >> kernel. Doesn't affect operation, but I wish Cisco would be less >> anally retentive about the GPL. >> >> --TP >> _____________________ >> Do you GNU!? >> Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check >> it out! >> In my .pcf file, there's a setting "EnableLocalLan". Try setting that to 1 and let us know. --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From trondrm at online.no Thu Oct 7 07:43:06 2004 From: trondrm at online.no (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_M=E6hlum?=) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 09:43:06 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Compaq deskpro PXE error In-Reply-To: <000901c4ac05$4d8285b0$0200a8c0@harekrishna.school.nz> References: <000901c4ac05$4d8285b0$0200a8c0@harekrishna.school.nz> Message-ID: <4164F38A.3030800@online.no> Krsnendu wrote: > How do I do that? You must download the bios upgrade from hp.com. It's a little tricky to find. Search for it on hp.com. It's an .exe file for Windows which makes a boot floppy. You then boot from the floppy on the Compaq and choose from the menu. It's very easy. the tricky part is to find the file. I don't have it any longer. You could try this link: http://h18007.www1.hp.com/support/files/Deskpro/us/locate/20_378.html#0 it's called rompaq. Regards Trond > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Trond M?hlum > Sent: Thursday, 7 October 2004 8:32 a.m. > To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Compaq deskpro PXE error > > k12osn-bounces at redhat.com wrote: > >>I bought a Compaq deskpro SFF 300 Celeron When I try network >>boot it get the ip address from DHCP but then PXE fails with the >>following message. >> >>No PXE server found, using standard boot file IP ADDR: 192.168.1.253 >>TFTP...... > > > I got exactly this on several Compaq SFF 400's. I flashed the bios using > the latest rom image (it was called rompaq) from hp.com. Worked for me. > > Regards > Trond M?hlum > > > >>Then it times out. >>Any way around this error? >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > From gumprechtm at msln.net Thu Oct 7 10:46:40 2004 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 06:46:40 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Compaq deskpro PXE error In-Reply-To: <20041006180952.HVMX56.mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz@Nendu> References: <20041006180952.HVMX56.mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz@Nendu> Message-ID: <41651E90.80101@msln.net> I have some deskpro 4000 series. I flashed the bios, but that did'nt work. Someone on the list posted that the .99 version of the pxe did not work. I played with it on and off for a few days and finally just ordered some bootable nics from disklessworkstations.com Mark Krsnendu dasa wrote: >I bought a Compaq deskpro SFF 300 Celeron >When I try network boot it get the ip address from DHCP but then PXE fails >with the following message. > >No PXE server found, using standard boot file >IP ADDR: 192.168.1.253 >TFTP...... > > >Then it times out. >Any way around this error? > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD#3 Unity, Maine 04988 Gumprechtm at msln.net From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Thu Oct 7 11:37:18 2004 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 06:37:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Compaq deskpro PXE error In-Reply-To: <20041006180952.HVMX56.mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz@Nendu> References: <20041006180952.HVMX56.mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz@Nendu> Message-ID: <3EAEB8B2-1855-11D9-9D1B-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I have some old deskpros as well, there were two things that I had to do to get it working. Google was my friend. :) I had to add -r blksize to the server_agrs line in /etc/xinetd.d/tftp, then restart xinetd I also ran this command "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_no_pmtu_disc", and put it in rc.local so it will run at startup. On Oct 6, 2004, at 1:09 PM, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > I bought a Compaq deskpro SFF 300 Celeron > When I try network boot it get the ip address from DHCP but then PXE > fails > with the following message. > > No PXE server found, using standard boot file > IP ADDR: 192.168.1.253 > TFTP...... > > > Then it times out. > Any way around this error? > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkFlKm4ACgkQfqZR3ThMfXRDrQCfc042jO6ezawxEoEKOnOp+jeI wRAAn1OEi4PgiIN7LOIWp8ldJVuzZw6a =IxCc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From swift at msad52.k12.me.us Thu Oct 7 12:29:33 2004 From: swift at msad52.k12.me.us (Randall Swift) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 08:29:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Compaq deskpro PXE error In-Reply-To: <3EAEB8B2-1855-11D9-9D1B-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> References: <3EAEB8B2-1855-11D9-9D1B-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> Message-ID: For my deskpro's I installed the Intel Boot agent software update for PCI NICS from the following address: http://h18007.www1.hp.com/support/files/Deskpro/us/locate/4_142.html and that solved all my boot issues. Of course this is only for PCI NICS. "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >I have some old deskpros as well, there were two things that I had to >do to get it working. Google was my friend. :) > >I had to add -r blksize to the server_agrs line in /etc/xinetd.d/tftp, >then restart xinetd >I also ran this command "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_no_pmtu_disc", >and put it in rc.local so it will run at startup. > >On Oct 6, 2004, at 1:09 PM, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > >> I bought a Compaq deskpro SFF 300 Celeron >> When I try network boot it get the ip address from DHCP but then PXE >> fails >> with the following message. >> >> No PXE server found, using standard boot file >> IP ADDR: 192.168.1.253 >> TFTP...... >> >> >> Then it times out. >> Any way around this error? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) > >iEYEARECAAYFAkFlKm4ACgkQfqZR3ThMfXRDrQCfc042jO6ezawxEoEKOnOp+jeI >wRAAn1OEi4PgiIN7LOIWp8ldJVuzZw6a >=IxCc >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see Randy Swift Network Administrator Leavitt Area High School Turner, Maine 04282 (207)225-3533 swift at msad52.k12.me.us From lewis at pcc.com Thu Oct 7 12:22:54 2004 From: lewis at pcc.com (Lewis Holcroft) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 08:22:54 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] CISCO vpn client for linux In-Reply-To: <41649873.8090008@cmosnetworks.com> References: <54B430F8-16DA-11D9-A698-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> <41633160.7050104@cmosnetworks.com> <84DC9068-17AB-11D9-B15F-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> <41649873.8090008@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <9D310352-185B-11D9-BAD8-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> Ted, Thank you very much. This worked like a charm. Lewis On Oct 6, 2004, at 9:14 PM, Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > Lewis Holcroft wrote: > >> Thanks, >> >> I'm glad to know this is in use and works. >> >> I should say I am new to this process and site I am connecting too >> are all windows folks. So the learning curve is steep. >> >> I did run into a problem. I am running the vpnclient on the server >> and when it does connect the LAN gets disabled. This is a problem as >> all of the local desktops stop responding. Are folks using the >> vpnclient on the server or on workstations on the network? Is this a >> configurable option? >> >> I'm working with no documentation here. So I'm really in the dark. >> >> Lewis >> >> On Oct 5, 2004, at 7:42 PM, Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: >> >>> Lewis Holcroft wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> I have rolled out a K12LTSP 4.0 cluster of 5 servers (I could >>>> upgrade but I just got this installation working and am going to >>>> wait a while) and now that we have all the equipment in we are >>>> told that the client needs to use a $MS product. The vendor does >>>> not offer a Linux version so.... >>>> >>>> The first step is to set up a vpn link. The vendor uses CISCO 3000 >>>> series product and has sent along a copy of the cisco vpn client >>>> version 4.6.00.0045-k9. >>>> >>>> This requires the kernel source to install. That was fun to install. >>>> >>>> When I start the daemon I get messages about tainting the kernel, >>>> which concerns me. Should I be concerned? I think so. >>>> >>>> Is anyone running this vpn client? >>>> >>>> If so, does it work well or have problems? >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> Lewis >>>> >>> >>> I have been using the Cisco VPN Client since v4.0.3B, up to and >>> including the 4.6 version specified above, since 4.0.3B came out. >>> Works fine, though for 2.6 kernels, experience has taught me that >>> you will need the 4.6 version for reliable operation. >>> >>> I have successfully done this on Red Hat Linux 9, Slackware >>> GNU/Linux 9.1 and 10.0, and SuSE Linux 9.1. "Tainted" simply means >>> that a proprietary, i. e. non-GPL kernel module is getting inserted >>> into the kernel. Doesn't affect operation, but I wish Cisco would >>> be less anally retentive about the GPL. >>> >>> --TP >>> _____________________ >>> Do you GNU!? >>> Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check >>> it out! >>> > > In my .pcf file, there's a setting "EnableLocalLan". Try setting that > to 1 and let us know. > > --TP > _____________________ > Do you GNU!? > Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check > it out! > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From swift at msad52.k12.me.us Thu Oct 7 12:35:20 2004 From: swift at msad52.k12.me.us (Randall Swift) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 08:35:20 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Setting up new server Message-ID: I have a new server and when I try to install Fedora c2 it tells me that no hard drives are detected and fails the installation. I have 2 scsi 73gb hard drives. The controller is an adaptec dual ultra 320 scsi controller. I have set up the drives using RAID0 and RAID1 and still the same error. Any ideas? Randy Swift Network Administrator Leavitt Area High School Turner, Maine 04282 (207)225-3533 swift at msad52.k12.me.us From lewis at pcc.com Thu Oct 7 12:45:18 2004 From: lewis at pcc.com (Lewis Holcroft) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 08:45:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] CISCO vpn client for linux In-Reply-To: <9D310352-185B-11D9-BAD8-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> References: <54B430F8-16DA-11D9-A698-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> <41633160.7050104@cmosnetworks.com> <84DC9068-17AB-11D9-B15F-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> <41649873.8090008@cmosnetworks.com> <9D310352-185B-11D9-BAD8-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> Message-ID: Ted! Who's Ted? Sorry TP. It was pre coffee. And once again I'm very exited about getting this to work. Lewis On Oct 7, 2004, at 8:22 AM, Lewis Holcroft wrote: > Ted, > > Thank you very much. This worked like a charm. > > Lewis > > On Oct 6, 2004, at 9:14 PM, Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > >> Lewis Holcroft wrote: >> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> I'm glad to know this is in use and works. >>> >>> I should say I am new to this process and site I am connecting too >>> are all windows folks. So the learning curve is steep. >>> >>> I did run into a problem. I am running the vpnclient on the server >>> and when it does connect the LAN gets disabled. This is a problem as >>> all of the local desktops stop responding. Are folks using the >>> vpnclient on the server or on workstations on the network? Is this a >>> configurable option? >>> >>> I'm working with no documentation here. So I'm really in the dark. >>> >>> Lewis >>> >>> On Oct 5, 2004, at 7:42 PM, Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: >>> >>>> Lewis Holcroft wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> I have rolled out a K12LTSP 4.0 cluster of 5 servers (I could >>>>> upgrade but I just got this installation working and am going to >>>>> wait a while) and now that we have all the equipment in we are >>>>> told that the client needs to use a $MS product. The vendor does >>>>> not offer a Linux version so.... >>>>> >>>>> The first step is to set up a vpn link. The vendor uses CISCO 3000 >>>>> series product and has sent along a copy of the cisco vpn client >>>>> version 4.6.00.0045-k9. >>>>> >>>>> This requires the kernel source to install. That was fun to >>>>> install. >>>>> >>>>> When I start the daemon I get messages about tainting the kernel, >>>>> which concerns me. Should I be concerned? I think so. >>>>> >>>>> Is anyone running this vpn client? >>>>> >>>>> If so, does it work well or have problems? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> >>>>> Lewis >>>>> >>>> >>>> I have been using the Cisco VPN Client since v4.0.3B, up to and >>>> including the 4.6 version specified above, since 4.0.3B came out. >>>> Works fine, though for 2.6 kernels, experience has taught me that >>>> you will need the 4.6 version for reliable operation. >>>> >>>> I have successfully done this on Red Hat Linux 9, Slackware >>>> GNU/Linux 9.1 and 10.0, and SuSE Linux 9.1. "Tainted" simply means >>>> that a proprietary, i. e. non-GPL kernel module is getting inserted >>>> into the kernel. Doesn't affect operation, but I wish Cisco would >>>> be less anally retentive about the GPL. >>>> >>>> --TP >>>> _____________________ >>>> Do you GNU!? >>>> Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). >>>> Check it out! >>>> >> >> In my .pcf file, there's a setting "EnableLocalLan". Try setting >> that to 1 and let us know. >> >> --TP >> _____________________ >> Do you GNU!? >> Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check >> it out! >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From tkaldahl at maplewoodacademy.org Thu Oct 7 13:40:06 2004 From: tkaldahl at maplewoodacademy.org (Tim Kaldahl) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 08:40:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Setting up new server In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000201c4ac73$2a00ab80$7701a8c0@maplewood.mwa> -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Randall Swift Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 7:35 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Setting up new server I have a new server and when I try to install Fedora c2 it tells me that no hard drives are detected and fails the installation. I have 2 scsi 73gb hard drives. The controller is an adaptec dual ultra 320 scsi controller. I have set up the drives using RAID0 and RAID1 and still the same error. Any ideas? Randy Swift Network Administrator Leavitt Area High School Turner, Maine 04282 (207)225-3533 swift at msad52.k12.me.us _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see I had this happen to me this summer on an older dell with a raid controller. I had to use the firmware, probably similar to the scsi bios utility, to set up a logical drive before fc2 would find any drives. Of course, before that I had to reseat the controller because it came out of the pci slot during shipping. I would guess that there is one more step to your setup before the os can recognize the drive. From glessard at coll-outao.qc.ca Thu Oct 7 13:38:29 2004 From: glessard at coll-outao.qc.ca (Guy Lessard) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 09:38:29 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Setting up new server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <416546D5.7010104@coll-outao.qc.ca> Try reducing the scsi speed down to 160 and see if that helps. Randall Swift wrote: >I have a new server and when I try to install Fedora c2 it tells me that >no hard drives are detected and fails the installation. I have 2 scsi 73gb >hard drives. The controller is an adaptec dual ultra 320 scsi controller. >I have set up the drives using RAID0 and RAID1 and still the same error. >Any ideas? > >Randy Swift >Network Administrator >Leavitt Area High School >Turner, Maine 04282 >(207)225-3533 >swift at msad52.k12.me.us > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From ckjohnson at gwi.net Thu Oct 7 14:18:23 2004 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 10:18:23 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Setting up new server In-Reply-To: <416546D5.7010104@coll-outao.qc.ca> References: <416546D5.7010104@coll-outao.qc.ca> Message-ID: <4165502F.9030700@gwi.net> Guy Lessard wrote: > Try reducing the scsi speed down to 160 and see if that helps. > > Randall Swift wrote: > >> I have a new server and when I try to install Fedora c2 it tells me that >> no hard drives are detected and fails the installation. I have 2 scsi >> 73gb >> hard drives. The controller is an adaptec dual ultra 320 scsi >> controller. >> I have set up the drives using RAID0 and RAID1 and still the same error. >> Any ideas? > If you invoke the Adaptec setup during boot does it see the two drives? I am guessing your comment about RAID0 and RAID1 was at the controller level and it does see the drives there. If not, are you sure they are correctly cabled with appropriate terminator? Are they configured with SCSI IDs that do not conflict with the controller or each other? If the controller does see the drives, and you have configured RAID, what logical drive has the RAID array been configured to appear as? -- ----------------------------------------------------------- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 From ltsp at regionalservers.com Thu Oct 7 19:14:42 2004 From: ltsp at regionalservers.com (James Vasey) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 20:14:42 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Anyone got experience of Tomcat (windows and linux) Message-ID: <003401c4aca1$eb458350$2500a8c0@hpjames> Does anyone have any experience of using Apache Tomcat? I have an (education history program with quicktime videos and java pages) application that is designed to run on Tomcat on Windows. does a full tomcat and mysql install on windows. And no, their tech support, doesn't support linux. However (thankfully) we dont have any windows servers to install the program and the server on. What I'm wanting to do, is set up a windows server, install the things on there, and then move the data files across onto our Fedora Core 2 server. I'm good with Apache, but have never done Java/Tomcat, just looking for guidance James -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Thu Oct 7 19:33:58 2004 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 15:33:58 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Setting Default Printer based on Location Message-ID: <1097177637.4179.16.camel@discovery.media.local> Hi everyone! I don't know if this is already been done, but I have created a script that will set the default printer based on which client you are logged in as (ie: if you have multiple labs off one server and printers in each of those labs). You just drop setprinter.sh into your /etc/profile.d/ directory, and create a /etc/sysconfig/ltsp_printers with information like this: printer-que:ws100,ws101,ws102,ws103 printer-que2:ws200,ws201,ws202 You don't have to list all your clients; it will keep whatever the last que was for a user when they log into that client. This is a good question for everyone... should it reset the que back to the server default if that client isn't listed above? You can overide the default printer during your session (it will not be reset if you open a terminal due to a SETPRINTER=true env variable which keeps the script from running more than once during a user's session). Also, you don't have to create a ltsp_printers file, which means the script doesn't do anything (and it shouldn't puke up errors either ::knock on wood::). Hope this is helpfull! 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Also there was about a 10 line addition or so that had to be appended to my Apache config to call on Tomcat. It didn't support Java Bean technology so I ended up switching to Resin 2.0 for Java support. But for the short time it was running it seemed to work fine. Good luck, it wasn't a fun process, but it is at least possible. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.772 / Virus Database: 519 - Release Date: 10/1/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Oct 7 20:24:44 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 13:24:44 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.1.1 officially released Message-ID: <1097180684.16122.346.camel@server.ltsp> K12LTSP version 4.1.1 is now available. This is mostly a collection of bug fixes and minor updates, but includes major updates to DansGuardian, Mondo backup, Qcad, and Scribus. Many of the major mirrors have been updated, you can find the nearest one to you at: http://k12ltsp.org/download.html If you already have K12LTSP 4.1.0 installed, the new packages and updates have been added to the apt/up2date/yum repositories. See below for the full list of updated packages. -Eric K12LTSP 4.1.1 Changelog Installer changes ================= * rhn-applet is no longer installed by default. If you are upgrading you may want to manually remove this package (rpm -e rhn-applet). The rhn-applet has proven to require excessive processor and memory resources in a multi-user terminal server environment * squidGuard is now added if you select the "Web Server" server package group New K12LTSP-specific packages ============================= buffer-1.19-1.k12ltsp.0.4.1 training-docs-0.1-1.k12ltsp Updated K12LTSP-specific packages ================================= blender-2.34-0.fdr.2.2 celestia-1.3.0-0.fdr.4.2 DansGuardian-2.8.0.3-0.k12ltsp.0.4.0 gtypist-2.6.2-1.k12ltsp.2.4.1 icewm-1.2.16-0.k12ltsp.2.4.1 k12ltsp-release-4.1.1-1 lcms-1.13-0.fdr.1.2 ltsp_config-0.0.25-k12ltsp.3.4.1 ltsp_desktop_reset-0.0.3-0.k12ltsp.4.1 meld-0.9.4.1-0.fdr.2.2 mindi-1.10-1.k12ltsp.0.4.1 mondo-2.10-1.k12ltsp.0.4.1 mozilla-1.7.3-0.2.0.k12ltsp.0.4.1 openal-0.0-0.1.fdr.0.20040726.2 openoffice-extras-1.1.0-1.k12ltsp.0.4.2 qcad-2.0.3.3-0.fc2.3.k12ltsp.0.4.1 scribus-1.2-0.fdr.1.2 squidGuard-1.2.0-8.k12ltsp.0.4.1 Official Fedora Core 2 updates ============================== apr-util-0.9.4-14.2 cdda2wav-2.01.1-0.FC2.1 cdrdao-1.1.9-4.FC.1 cdrecord-2.01.1-0.FC2.1 cups-1.1.20-11.3 devhelp-0.9.1-0.2.2 dvd+rw-tools-5.21.4.10.8-1.FC2.1 epiphany-1.2.7-0.2.2 foomatic-3.0.1-3.1 gaim-1.0.0-0.FC2 gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0-11.3.5 gtk2-2.4.7-2.6 httpd-2.0.51-2.7 imlib-1.9.13-19 k3b-0.11.14-0.FC2.1 kdebase-3.2.2-6.FC2 kdelibs-3.2.2-8.FC2 kernel-2.6.8-1.521 krb5-libs-1.3.4-6 kudzu-1.1.68.2-1 lha-1.14i-14.1 mc-4.6.0-17.fc2 mkisofs-2.01.1-0.FC2.1 mod_dav_svn-1.0.8-1 mod_ssl-2.0.51-2.7 qt-3.3.3-0.1 rsync-2.6.2-1.fc2.0 samba-3.0.7-2.FC2 subversion-1.0.8-1 system-config-date-1.7.3.1-0.fc2.1 system-config-display-1.0.17-2 system-config-samba-1.2.15-0.fc2.1 vnc-4.0-5 xcdroast-0.98a15-6.FC2.1 xorg-x11-6.7.0-9 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Whilst I'm ok moveing the MySQL data from server to server, i'm not so sure about the Tomcat... However as i don't have experience of setting up Tomcat on Linux, I'm looking for help setting it up the Tomcat on Linux. As i cant even see where $catalina_home is, or where it is even meant to be! James ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Kronebusch To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 8:49 PM Subject: RE: [K12OSN] OT: Anyone got experience of Tomcat (windows and linux) > Does anyone have any experience of using Apache Tomcat? I did setup a Tomcat server about 2 years ago. I don't remember most of the details but I can confirm that it does run with Apache on Windows. I think there were some prerequisites to download j2ree and the sdk and make some manual path adjustments for the windows environment. Also there was about a 10 line addition or so that had to be appended to my Apache config to call on Tomcat. 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URL: From microman at cmosnetworks.com Thu Oct 7 22:11:46 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 18:11:46 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] CISCO vpn client for linux In-Reply-To: References: <54B430F8-16DA-11D9-A698-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> <41633160.7050104@cmosnetworks.com> <84DC9068-17AB-11D9-B15F-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> <41649873.8090008@cmosnetworks.com> <9D310352-185B-11D9-BAD8-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> Message-ID: <4165BF22.3070302@cmosnetworks.com> Ted thanks you, as does Terrell. :-) Good to hear that it's working. FWIW, this is exactly how I've gotten a couple more converts to GNU/Linux, so I'm glad to see Cisco supporting our favorite platform. --TP...er, Ted Lewis Holcroft wrote: > Ted! Who's Ted? > > Sorry TP. It was pre coffee. > > And once again I'm very exited about getting this to work. > > Lewis > > On Oct 7, 2004, at 8:22 AM, Lewis Holcroft wrote: > >> Ted, >> >> Thank you very much. This worked like a charm. >> >> Lewis >> >> On Oct 6, 2004, at 9:14 PM, Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: >> >>> Lewis Holcroft wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> I'm glad to know this is in use and works. >>>> >>>> I should say I am new to this process and site I am connecting too >>>> are all windows folks. So the learning curve is steep. >>>> >>>> I did run into a problem. I am running the vpnclient on the server >>>> and when it does connect the LAN gets disabled. This is a problem >>>> as all of the local desktops stop responding. Are folks using the >>>> vpnclient on the server or on workstations on the network? Is this >>>> a configurable option? >>>> >>>> I'm working with no documentation here. So I'm really in the dark. >>>> >>>> Lewis >>>> >>>> On Oct 5, 2004, at 7:42 PM, Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: >>>> >>>>> Lewis Holcroft wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>> >>>>>> I have rolled out a K12LTSP 4.0 cluster of 5 servers (I could >>>>>> upgrade but I just got this installation working and am going to >>>>>> wait a while) and now that we have all the equipment in we are >>>>>> told that the client needs to use a $MS product. The vendor does >>>>>> not offer a Linux version so.... >>>>>> >>>>>> The first step is to set up a vpn link. The vendor uses CISCO >>>>>> 3000 series product and has sent along a copy of the cisco vpn >>>>>> client version 4.6.00.0045-k9. >>>>>> >>>>>> This requires the kernel source to install. That was fun to install. >>>>>> >>>>>> When I start the daemon I get messages about tainting the kernel, >>>>>> which concerns me. Should I be concerned? I think so. >>>>>> >>>>>> Is anyone running this vpn client? >>>>>> >>>>>> If so, does it work well or have problems? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> >>>>>> Lewis >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I have been using the Cisco VPN Client since v4.0.3B, up to and >>>>> including the 4.6 version specified above, since 4.0.3B came out. >>>>> Works fine, though for 2.6 kernels, experience has taught me that >>>>> you will need the 4.6 version for reliable operation. >>>>> >>>>> I have successfully done this on Red Hat Linux 9, Slackware >>>>> GNU/Linux 9.1 and 10.0, and SuSE Linux 9.1. "Tainted" simply >>>>> means that a proprietary, i. e. non-GPL kernel module is getting >>>>> inserted into the kernel. Doesn't affect operation, but I wish >>>>> Cisco would be less anally retentive about the GPL. >>>>> >>>>> --TP >>>>> _____________________ >>>>> Do you GNU!? >>>>> Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). >>>>> Check it out! >>>>> >>> >>> In my .pcf file, there's a setting "EnableLocalLan". Try setting >>> that to 1 and let us know. >>> >>> --TP >>> __________________ >> From ism at ywammt.org Thu Oct 7 22:08:55 2004 From: ism at ywammt.org (Joshua Sanders) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 16:08:55 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Install 4.0.1 kernel panic In-Reply-To: <1097180684.16122.346.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1097180684.16122.346.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <16898.10.1.2.1.1097186935.squirrel@email.ywammt.org> First, I like to say that this is the best list I have ever been a part of. I have written once before and the answers solved it. I am now 3 months into using k12LTSP, and with pretty good sucess. I have 3 servers running it, on about 30 workstations. I just downloaded k12LTSP 4.0.1 last week (though I just noticed they had 4.1.1 out 10 minutes ago) and have used it on three machines (1 server and 2 stand-alones.) Today one of my may servers crashed (inconsistancies on the HD,) but it was not big deal, it was up for an upgrade anyway so (it was running 3.0.1) so i switched the machines to the other servers and proceeded to install 4.0.1. I put the CD in the tray, press enter... it loads the vmluniz and the init then about a half of a second later it gets a kernel panic. I am at a loss. I have unplugged the HD, tested every memory stick, turned off Hyper-threading, typed linux rescue... all with the same result. I am currently downloading 4.1.1 to see if it gives the same error but thought I would ask to see if anyone else has had this happen and what I can do. Xeon 2.4 w/hyperthreading 2 GB mem 120 GB HD 1000 b/t NIC GA-8EGXDR Server Board From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Oct 7 22:32:08 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 15:32:08 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Install 4.0.1 kernel panic In-Reply-To: <16898.10.1.2.1.1097186935.squirrel@email.ywammt.org> References: <1097180684.16122.346.camel@server.ltsp> <16898.10.1.2.1.1097186935.squirrel@email.ywammt.org> Message-ID: <4165C3E8.1050301@paasda.org> I have a machine with the same problem... I resorted to installing debian on it =) had purchased a new server anyway...so I just scrap'd try'n it on that hardware... sorry not much help from me...but if you find out please let me know =) --Huck Joshua Sanders wrote: >First, I like to say that this is the best list I have ever been a part >of. I have written once before and the answers solved it. > >I am now 3 months into using k12LTSP, and with pretty good sucess. I have >3 servers running it, on about 30 workstations. I just downloaded k12LTSP >4.0.1 last week (though I just noticed they had 4.1.1 out 10 minutes ago) >and have used it on three machines (1 server and 2 stand-alones.) Today >one of my may servers crashed (inconsistancies on the HD,) but it was not >big deal, it was up for an upgrade anyway so (it was running 3.0.1) so i >switched the machines to the other servers and proceeded to install 4.0.1. > >I put the CD in the tray, press enter... it loads the vmluniz and the init >then about a half of a second later it gets a kernel panic. I am at a >loss. I have unplugged the HD, tested every memory stick, turned off >Hyper-threading, typed linux rescue... all with the same result. I am >currently downloading 4.1.1 to see if it gives the same error but thought >I would ask to see if anyone else has had this happen and what I can do. > >Xeon 2.4 w/hyperthreading >2 GB mem >120 GB HD >1000 b/t NIC >GA-8EGXDR Server Board > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Fri Oct 8 02:34:01 2004 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 21:34:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Install 4.0.1 kernel panic In-Reply-To: <16898.10.1.2.1.1097186935.squirrel@email.ywammt.org> References: <1097180684.16122.346.camel@server.ltsp> <16898.10.1.2.1.1097186935.squirrel@email.ywammt.org> Message-ID: <83B46B81-18D2-11D9-9826-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Did you try "linux mediacheck" to make sure that there were not errors in the disk. I've heard of this behavior being exhibited with corrupted CDs. On Oct 7, 2004, at 5:08 PM, Joshua Sanders wrote: > > I put the CD in the tray, press enter... it loads the vmluniz and the > init > then about a half of a second later it gets a kernel panic. I am at a > loss. I have unplugged the HD, tested every memory stick, turned off > Hyper-threading, typed linux rescue... all with the same result. I am > currently downloading 4.1.1 to see if it gives the same error but > thought > I would ask to see if anyone else has had this happen and what I can > do. > > Xeon 2.4 w/hyperthreading > 2 GB mem > 120 GB HD > 1000 b/t NIC > GA-8EGXDR Server Board -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkFl/JkACgkQfqZR3ThMfXQylgCdFkZQlPhsIunDGszB01AN1i4h KTUAnR1pfQYpjotleUaQHcrgxdWSCxDB =QL9m -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Fri Oct 8 02:36:12 2004 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 21:36:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.1.1 officially released In-Reply-To: <1097180684.16122.346.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1097180684.16122.346.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Not to beat a dead horse, but I was curious about your progress on 3.1.2/RHEL3 updates. On Oct 7, 2004, at 3:24 PM, Eric Harrison wrote: > > K12LTSP version 4.1.1 is now available. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkFl/RwACgkQfqZR3ThMfXTHMQCeNTvnSq6ofux6lMq8wPjAD611 UCwAn04I/in2YqnPs94hoWZ0JkV0lnG8 =EbfC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Oct 8 07:02:36 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 00:02:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.1.1 officially released In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 7 Oct 2004, Burke Almquist wrote: >Not to beat a dead horse, but I was curious about your progress on >3.1.2/RHEL3 updates. Not to beat a dead horse, but it tends to be slow going when I'm the only person doing QA testing ;-) If you are interested in seeing things move along a little quicker, give the packages I've built a spin & report back your successes, failures, and suggestions... Now that 4.1.1 is out the door, I hope it won't take too much longer for me to back-port the changes to RHEL3. -Eric From andyr at wizzy.com Fri Oct 8 08:37:08 2004 From: andyr at wizzy.com (Andy Rabagliati) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 10:37:08 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] RHEL3 (was: K12LTSP 4.1.1 officially released ) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041008083708.GC2450@wizzy.com> On Fri, 08 Oct 2004, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Thu, 7 Oct 2004, Burke Almquist wrote: > > If you are interested in seeing things move along a little quicker, > give the packages I've built a spin & report back your successes, > failures, and suggestions... > > Now that 4.1.1 is out the door, I hope it won't take too much > longer for me to back-port the changes to RHEL3. I downloaded your packages for RHEL3, but have not had a lot of opportunity to test them. I do not use the full distro, I roll my own from whitebox and LTSP, but having compatible packages is an enormous help. My (few) customised packages are at :- ftp://ftp.wizzy.com/pub/wizzy/rpms ftp://ftp.wizzy.com/pub/wizzy/school ftp://ftp.wizzy.com/pub/wizzy/SRPMS Cheers, Andy! From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Fri Oct 8 14:32:41 2004 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 10:32:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Autologin issues Message-ID: <1097245961.27172.16.camel@discovery.media.local> I've got some questions with the GDM approaches to autologins/timed logins. It seems to me with GDM, all displays will try to autologin. If using a script that limits specific displays to automatically loging in, some displays will fail and keep retrying for whatever interval is set (ie 30 sec). Is there a way to prevent the retry interval on some displays? I want a few terminals (faculty lounge, library) to autologin/timed login but not the rest (and not have the rest trying to autologin constantly). Henry From GLessard at coll-outao.qc.ca Fri Oct 8 14:56:23 2004 From: GLessard at coll-outao.qc.ca (Guy-Michel Lessard) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 10:56:23 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Netware and K12LTSP Message-ID: <1097247383.929e0a20GLessard@coll-outao.qc.ca> Sorry for the delay, smtp problems here. Answers inserted in the text below: Dave Tisdell wrote: >Hi Guy, >I deciphered the gecos error. In the nds field "full name" there was a >comma between the first and last name. I removed the comma and was able >to login. It seems that a home directory was created for me on the fly >in /home but I don't see my home directory from the novell server. > Its under /home/YourAccount/nwhome. > In the edits that were suggested, does one of those instruct ncpfs to mount >the Novell volume where the home directory resides? > Defaults to nwhome, its coded in ncpfs. I suggest you dont change it. >Do I have to make sure there is an accurate entry in NDS for the location of the home >directory? > I didn't. The only real problem i got is account starting with a number instead of a alphabet. You say that the "It seems that a home directory was created for me on the fly", how do you know this? the log files is clear if the mounting failed or not. > Thanks. >Dave > From glessard at coll-outao.qc.ca Fri Oct 8 15:11:09 2004 From: glessard at coll-outao.qc.ca (Guy Lessard) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 11:11:09 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Autologin issues In-Reply-To: <1097245961.27172.16.camel@discovery.media.local> References: <1097245961.27172.16.camel@discovery.media.local> Message-ID: <4166AE0D.9010209@coll-outao.qc.ca> Henry Burroughs wrote: >I've got some questions with the GDM approaches to autologins/timed >logins. It seems to me with GDM, all displays will try to autologin. If >using a script that limits specific displays to automatically loging in, >some displays will fail and keep retrying for whatever interval is set >(ie 30 sec). Is there a way to prevent the retry interval on some >displays? > >I want a few terminals (faculty lounge, library) to autologin/timed >login but not the rest (and not have the rest trying to autologin >constantly). > >Henry > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From ism at ywammt.org Fri Oct 8 15:15:50 2004 From: ism at ywammt.org (Joshua Sanders) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 09:15:50 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Install 4.0.1 kernel panic In-Reply-To: <83B46B81-18D2-11D9-9826-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> References: <1097180684.16122.346.camel@server.ltsp> <16898.10.1.2.1.1097186935.squirrel@email.ywammt.org> <83B46B81-18D2-11D9-9826-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> Message-ID: <51836.10.1.2.1.1097248550.squirrel@email.ywammt.org> > Did you try "linux mediacheck" to make sure that there were not errors > in the disk. Yes, Media check doesn't get any further than any other option. I have been working on it for a while now and found that a lot of People are having trouble with ACPI (which is about 10 of the 20 errors on the screen.) It is not the Bios to be able to turn on/off ACPI and I have messed with the power management for a while now. --> does anyone have any ideas on how to shut off ACPI on this board (or one that does not have that as an option in the BIOS? >> Xeon 2.4 w/hyperthreading >> 2 GB mem >> 120 GB HD >> 1000 b/t NIC >> GA-8EGXDR Server Board > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Did you try "linux mediacheck" to make sure that there were not errors > in the disk. > I've heard of this behavior being exhibited with corrupted CDs. > > On Oct 7, 2004, at 5:08 PM, Joshua Sanders wrote: >> >> I put the CD in the tray, press enter... it loads the vmluniz and the >> init >> then about a half of a second later it gets a kernel panic. I am at a >> loss. I have unplugged the HD, tested every memory stick, turned off >> Hyper-threading, typed linux rescue... all with the same result. I am >> currently downloading 4.1.1 to see if it gives the same error but >> thought >> I would ask to see if anyone else has had this happen and what I can >> do. >> >> Xeon 2.4 w/hyperthreading >> 2 GB mem >> 120 GB HD >> 1000 b/t NIC >> GA-8EGXDR Server Board > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) > > iEYEARECAAYFAkFl/JkACgkQfqZR3ThMfXQylgCdFkZQlPhsIunDGszB01AN1i4h > KTUAnR1pfQYpjotleUaQHcrgxdWSCxDB > =QL9m > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From boris.lenzinger at castify.net Fri Oct 8 15:18:53 2004 From: boris.lenzinger at castify.net (Boris Lenzinger) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 17:18:53 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Install 4.0.1 kernel panic In-Reply-To: <51836.10.1.2.1.1097248550.squirrel@email.ywammt.org> References: <1097180684.16122.346.camel@server.ltsp> <16898.10.1.2.1.1097186935.squirrel@email.ywammt.org> <83B46B81-18D2-11D9-9826-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> <51836.10.1.2.1.1097248550.squirrel@email.ywammt.org> Message-ID: <4166AFDD.2070909@castify.net> Maybe you can use the option acpi=off as parameter of the kernel. With a fedora core I had a problem when booting (machine was frozen) and setting this option at startup fixed the problem. Joshua Sanders wrote: > >Did you try "linux mediacheck" to make sure that there were not errors > >in the disk. > > > >Yes, Media check doesn't get any further than any other option. >I have been working on it for a while now and found that a lot of People >are having trouble with ACPI (which is about 10 of the 20 errors on the >screen.) > >It is not the Bios to be able to turn on/off ACPI and I have messed with >the power management for a while now. --> does anyone have any ideas on >how to shut off ACPI on this board (or one that does not have that as an >option in the BIOS? > > > >>Xeon 2.4 w/hyperthreading > >>2 GB mem > >>120 GB HD > >>1000 b/t NIC > >>GA-8EGXDR Server Board > > > Did you try "linux mediacheck" to make sure that there were not errors > in the disk. > I've heard of this behavior being exhibited with corrupted CDs. > > On Oct 7, 2004, at 5:08 PM, Joshua Sanders wrote: > > >I put the CD in the tray, press enter... it loads the vmluniz and the > >init > >then about a half of a second later it gets a kernel panic. I am at a > >loss. I have unplugged the HD, tested every memory stick, turned off > >Hyper-threading, typed linux rescue... all with the same result. I am > >currently downloading 4.1.1 to see if it gives the same error but > >thought > >I would ask to see if anyone else has had this happen and what I can > >do. > > >Xeon 2.4 w/hyperthreading > >2 GB mem > >120 GB HD > >1000 b/t NIC > >GA-8EGXDR Server Board > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see From ism at ywammt.org Fri Oct 8 15:29:11 2004 From: ism at ywammt.org (Joshua Sanders) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 09:29:11 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Install 4.0.1 kernel panic In-Reply-To: <4166AFDD.2070909@castify.net> References: <1097180684.16122.346.camel@server.ltsp> <16898.10.1.2.1.1097186935.squirrel@email.ywammt.org> <83B46B81-18D2-11D9-9826-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> <51836.10.1.2.1.1097248550.squirrel@email.ywammt.org> <4166AFDD.2070909@castify.net> Message-ID: <53090.10.1.2.1.1097249351.squirrel@email.ywammt.org> Um... have you ever had one of those times when you over complicated things so much that nothing worked? kernel acpi=off - worked and everything is going great (write that one down for later.) Joshua > Maybe you can use the option acpi=off as parameter of the kernel. > With a fedora core I had a problem when booting (machine was frozen) and > setting this option at startup fixed the problem. > > Joshua Sanders wrote: > >> >Did you try "linux mediacheck" to make sure that there were not >> errors in the disk. >> >> >> >>Yes, Media check doesn't get any further than any other option. >>I have been working on it for a while now and found that a lot of >> People are having trouble with ACPI (which is about 10 of the 20 errors >> on the screen.) >> >>It is not the Bios to be able to turn on/off ACPI and I have messed >> with the power management for a while now. --> does anyone have any >> ideas on how to shut off ACPI on this board (or one that does not have >> that as an option in the BIOS? >> >> >> >>Xeon 2.4 w/hyperthreading >> >>2 GB mem >> >>120 GB HD >> >>1000 b/t NIC >> >>GA-8EGXDR Server Board >> >> > >> Did you try "linux mediacheck" to make sure that there were not errors >> in the disk. >> I've heard of this behavior being exhibited with corrupted CDs. >> >> On Oct 7, 2004, at 5:08 PM, Joshua Sanders wrote: >> >> >I put the CD in the tray, press enter... it loads the vmluniz and the >> init >> >then about a half of a second later it gets a kernel panic. I am at a >> loss. I have unplugged the HD, tested every memory stick, turned off >> Hyper-threading, typed linux rescue... all with the same result. I am >> currently downloading 4.1.1 to see if it gives the same error but >> thought >> >I would ask to see if anyone else has had this happen and what I can >> do. >> >> >Xeon 2.4 w/hyperthreading >> >2 GB mem >> >120 GB HD >> >1000 b/t NIC >> >GA-8EGXDR Server Board >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From penguintiz at yahoo.com Fri Oct 8 16:08:48 2004 From: penguintiz at yahoo.com (David Tisdell) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 09:08:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] North Eastern Conference Possibility In-Reply-To: <20041007122656.2C55374E67@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20041008160848.90434.qmail@web41907.mail.yahoo.com> Hi all, I have been noticing that there are quite a few people from that northeast that participate in this list (I am somewhat sporadic) i.e. ME, Quebec, NY, NH, MA, etc. (I am in VT). Would there be any interest in trying to put together a regional conference on Linux in general and K12LTSP in particular? I don't know very many knowledgeable Linux people and usually turn to HowTOs and ListServes for help. These are great resources but I would like more. In my area, I am often the guy other school IT people turn to for help. There may be other school IT people in the area who are as knowledgeable as I am but I just don't know them and I have knowledge gaps (like everyone) that need to be filled in. There are plenty of local folks I can turn to for help with Netware, Windows, Macs, etc. I would like to see Linux and K12LTSP grow to that point as well. It seems to me that if the K12LTSP IT people could have a conference, then we could develop more personal connections, get some questions answered in person, have some fun and figure how how to broaden adoption by our peers. We also might get some of the folks to come who are considering adoption but not doing it at present. What are people's thoughts? Dave David Tisdell, Computer Coordinator Mt. Mansfield Union High School Jericho, VT 05465 _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From penguintiz at yahoo.com Fri Oct 8 17:05:42 2004 From: penguintiz at yahoo.com (David Tisdell) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 10:05:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Netware and K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <20041008151628.4E8BF7458A@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20041008170542.77066.qmail@web41908.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Guy, I think things are mostly figured out. Thanks for your help!!!! I had 2 issues left and they seem to be resolved. It seems that it makes difference to have an accurate home directory location listed in edirectory. When there wasn't any home directory path listed in NDS, the nwhome folder was not being created. My test user was one that hadn't been used for a while and the volume had since been migrated to a new server. The rights to that user's home directory had not been migrated thus no access to the Novell home directory.(I had an empty nwhome directory) As far as my reference to the home directory being created on the fly goes, I was referring to the Linux home directory. When I logged in as the test user, there was no Linux account for that user and the account and Linux home directory were created on login; I assume because of the PAM plugin. Very slick. I had been using Novell's native file access for Unix but so far I like ncpfs better for ease of management. Some things in Native File Access don't work as you would expect them to. I appreciate your HowTo and willingness to help via email!!!!!! Dave David Tisdell, Computer Coordinator Mt Mansfield Union High School Jericho, VT 05465 Guy-Michel Lessard wrote: >Sorry for the delay, smtp problems here. >Hi Guy, >I deciphered the gecos error. In the nds field "full name" there was a >comma between the first and last name. I removed the comma and was able >to login. It seems that a home directory was created for me on the fly >in /home but I don't see my home directory from the novell server. > Its under /home/YourAccount/nwhome. > In the edits that were suggested, does one of those instruct ncpfs to mount >the Novell volume where the home directory resides? > Defaults to nwhome, its coded in ncpfs. I suggest you dont change it. >Do I have to make sure there is an accurate entry in NDS for the location of the home >directory? > I didn't. The only real problem i got is account starting with a number instead of a alphabet. You say that the "It seems that a home directory was created for me on the fly", how do you know this? the log files is clear if the mounting failed or not. > Thanks. >Dave > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Oct 8 17:30:10 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 12:30:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Anyone got experience of Tomcat (windows and linux) In-Reply-To: <003a01c4acb8$cea36070$2500a8c0@hpjames> Message-ID: <001f01c4ad5c$760c71a0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Sorry I can't help you there. I only messed with Tomcat in Windows, and that was so long ago I probably wouldn't be much help there either. Good luck. Ah, I think I might not have explained correctly: I have History Education CD, which installs a Tomcat and a MySQL server on Windows. It then copies a load of videos and clips and text onto this server. However we dont have a (permanent) windows server. So i want to create do the installation on a temporary Windows server and then copy the data, from server to server. i.e. like if it was apache i would copy c:\httpd\htdocs directory to the /var/www/html directory. Whilst I'm ok moveing the MySQL data from server to server, i'm not so sure about the Tomcat... However as i don't have experience of setting up Tomcat on Linux, I'm looking for help setting it up the Tomcat on Linux. As i cant even see where $catalina_home is, or where it is even meant to be! --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.772 / Virus Database: 519 - Release Date: 10/1/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I unfortunately have not had much time to do testing of the apps or of it in a lab environment but from what I see it is stable as all get out. Only thing I noticed is it seemed to be lacking in the amount of Edutainment programs available with the official releases. I also noticed that when I install the LTSP packages on and other distro it also seems to be missing the other packages. But other than that (which I am sure is my problem) things seem awesome. But I probably don't do sufficient testing for your needs. Thanks for your efforts. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.772 / Virus Database: 519 - Release Date: 10/1/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From pvdw at criticalcontrol.com Fri Oct 8 17:42:24 2004 From: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com (Pete) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 11:42:24 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP & Novell (was: KDE and Groupwise (Novell)) In-Reply-To: <4166CF7C.4010402@coll-outao.qc.ca> References: <4166CF7C.4010402@coll-outao.qc.ca> Message-ID: <4166D180.7070402@criticalcontrol.com> Guy Lessard wrote: > FYI > > *There have been some rumours, corroborated by some CVS commits > , which show work going on in > KDE-PIM on a configuration wizard for the Novell > Groupwise client. Also the > aKademy interview with Will Stephenson > talks about the integration of > Groupwise functionality in Kopete . Can you > elaborate more on this?* > > We are working on the integration of KDE tools in the other products > from Novell. Groupwise is the most prominent of these and is a > collaboration tool that offers messaging, calendar and mail services > to the user. You can now use KDE tools such as Kopete together with > the Groupwise messenger and you can use Kontact > to access the corporate calender and > address-book and also for email. > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > Hopefully they review the pam module as well, it can use some 'fixes' By the way I finally got a "GO" to release my documentation on how to : - use Novell as a DHCP server & - Map a Linux /home to a NDS /home (so no user data anymore on the Linux box!) in a K12LTSP environment. Someone (from this list) is currently testing my stuff on another system, once that is done I will post the how-to on http://ltsp.criticalcontrol.com Peter -- Any technology distinguishable from foodoo-magic is insufficiently advanced. Peter Van den Wildenbergh CriticalControl Solutions Inc. Bow Valley Square II Suite 2400 205 - 5th avenue SW Calgary, AB T2P 2V7 T 403.705.7500 F 403.705.7555 From luis.montes at cox.net Fri Oct 8 18:24:28 2004 From: luis.montes at cox.net (Luis Montes) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 11:24:28 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Anyone got experience of Tomcat (windows and linux) In-Reply-To: <003401c4aca1$eb458350$2500a8c0@hpjames> References: <003401c4aca1$eb458350$2500a8c0@hpjames> Message-ID: <4166DB5C.4030909@cox.net> Really strange that someone would write an application based on open standards like tomcat and mysql, yet not have linux support out of the box. Anyways, A few things to look out for: 1. make sure you have a 1.4.2 j2se SDK http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.2/download.html if you install the rpm file, it will likely install it in something like /usr/java/j2sdk1.4.2_05 or something like that. 2 set up a couple of environmental variables PATH may need to have /usr/java/j2sdk1.4.2_05/bin appended (or prepended) to it test this with java -version on the command line. Should give you some versioning info it that worked right. JAVA_HOME needs to be set to /usr/java/j2sdk1.4.2_05 3. Not sure what version of tomcat the app uses, but most versions come with a startup.sh script that runs in linux if you have any port conflicts for the http server part of tomcat, you can change that in the server.xml file in the tomcat directory Java web applications are usually deployed in a .war file wich contain resources like JSP files, libraries, and other web content. If youre lucky, they may have the .war file on their tomcat diretory installed on the windows box. You could just drop that into the webapps(i think) directory and it will deploy itself on the next restart of tomcat. As far as connecting to mysql, there are several ways to do that, hopefully its in a config file for you and not hard-coded into the application itself. hope that helps... Luis James Vasey wrote: > Does anyone have any experience of using Apache Tomcat? > I have an (education history program with quicktime videos and java > pages) application that is designed to run on Tomcat on Windows. does > a full tomcat and mysql install on windows. > > And no, their tech support, doesn't support linux. > > However (thankfully) we dont have any windows servers to install the > program and the server on. > > What I'm wanting to do, is set up a windows server, install the things > on there, and then move the data files across onto our Fedora Core 2 > server. > > I'm good with Apache, but have never done Java/Tomcat, just looking > for guidance > > James > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Fri Oct 8 18:03:48 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 13:03:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] can't login to wiki Message-ID: <4166D684.1020309@maltzen.net> I thought I'd put Henry Burroughs' "Setting Default Printer based on Location" script into the wiki, but I can't seem to get logged into edit the Technical page. No matter what ID and/or PW I enter, it doesn't like it. It's been some months since I added anything, but I recall that it didn't use to matter what ID was used. Has this changed? Petre From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Oct 8 18:17:52 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 11:17:52 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] can't login to wiki In-Reply-To: <4166D684.1020309@maltzen.net> References: <4166D684.1020309@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1097259472.16122.375.camel@server.ltsp> On Fri, 2004-10-08 at 11:03, Petre Scheie wrote: > I thought I'd put Henry Burroughs' "Setting Default Printer based on Location" > script into the wiki, but I can't seem to get logged into edit the Technical > page. No matter what ID and/or PW I enter, it doesn't like it. It's been some > months since I added anything, but I recall that it didn't use to matter what ID > was used. Has this changed? > Nope, no changes. Try using "PetreScheie" with no password. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From glessard at coll-outao.qc.ca Fri Oct 8 18:20:22 2004 From: glessard at coll-outao.qc.ca (Guy Lessard) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 14:20:22 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP & Novell In-Reply-To: <4166D180.7070402@criticalcontrol.com> References: <4166CF7C.4010402@coll-outao.qc.ca> <4166D180.7070402@criticalcontrol.com> Message-ID: <4166DA66.8000801@coll-outao.qc.ca> Awesome, this would be almost zero administration (now to get rid of the local linux accounts ;-) ) YESSSS, please post when the howtos are ready. Could you please add a forward in the K12LTSP wiki pages for others to see? Pete wrote: >> > Hopefully they review the pam module as well, it can use some 'fixes' > > By the way I finally got a "GO" to release my documentation on how to : > - use Novell as a DHCP server & > - Map a Linux /home to a NDS /home (so no user data anymore on the > Linux box!) > in a K12LTSP environment. > > Someone (from this list) is currently testing my stuff on another system, > once that is done I will post the how-to on > http://ltsp.criticalcontrol.com > > Peter > > From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Fri Oct 8 18:32:32 2004 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 11:32:32 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] North Eastern Conference Possibility In-Reply-To: <20041008160848.90434.qmail@web41907.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041007122656.2C55374E67@hormel.redhat.com> <20041008160848.90434.qmail@web41907.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I would definitely attend. I'm in California, but it would be worth it. On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 09:08:48 -0700 (PDT), David Tisdell wrote: > Hi all, > I have been noticing that there are quite a few people > from that northeast that participate in this list (I > am somewhat sporadic) i.e. ME, Quebec, NY, NH, MA, > etc. (I am in VT). Would there be any interest in > trying to put together a regional conference on Linux > in general and K12LTSP in particular? I don't know > very many knowledgeable Linux people and usually turn > to HowTOs and ListServes for help. These are great > resources but I would like more. In my area, I am > often the guy other school IT people turn to for help. > There may be other school IT people in the area who > are as knowledgeable as I am but I just don't know > them and I have knowledge gaps (like everyone) that > need to be filled in. There are plenty of local folks > I can turn to for help with Netware, Windows, Macs, > etc. I would like to see Linux and K12LTSP grow to > that point as well. > It seems to me that if the K12LTSP IT people could > have a conference, then we could develop more personal > connections, get some questions answered in person, > have some fun and figure how how to broaden adoption > by our peers. We also might get some of the folks to > come who are considering adoption but not doing it at > present. > What are people's thoughts? > Dave > David Tisdell, Computer Coordinator > Mt. Mansfield Union High School > Jericho, VT 05465 > > _______________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! > http://vote.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Steve Hargadon 916-652-8600 ext. 711 From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Fri Oct 8 18:48:04 2004 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 11:48:04 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] A will it work question Message-ID: <4166E0E4.10409@elp.rr.com> My server is running K12LTSP 4.0.1 FC1 If I connect a USB scanner to a terminal will the server figure out that t is there and make it useable? My terminals are all dumpster boxes. The terminal that I would like to use is running an AMD K6-2 550MHz chip with 512 MEG of ram. I can't create a fat client because I don't have the needed hardware to do that. Thanks Pat From skossakoski at sau16.org Fri Oct 8 19:17:13 2004 From: skossakoski at sau16.org (Steve Kossakoski) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 15:17:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: North Eastern Conference Possibility Message-ID: We're located in the seacoast region of NH. We'd definitely be interested in a regional conference. We might be able to host such a event if folks are interested in traveling here. Steve From scott at hosef.org Fri Oct 8 19:23:32 2004 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 09:23:32 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] North Eastern Conference Possibility In-Reply-To: References: <20041007122656.2C55374E67@hormel.redhat.com> <20041008160848.90434.qmail@web41907.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4166E934.4070607@hosef.org> Steve Hargadon wrote: > I would definitely attend. I'm in California, but it would be worth it. Dittos from HI. I think this is a great idea that should take place several times a year across the country. We have been putting the final touches on our own, TPOSSCON, this January, and intend to heavily feature what we are all doing within our Education track. The Northeast sounds beautiful, but I sure hope that we consider how unpleasant the cold is at the wrong time of the year. Summer, prior to School starting, would be really timely and pleasant. --scott -- R. Scott Belford Founder/Director The Hawaii Open Source Education Foundation PO Box 392 Kailua, HI 96734 808.689.6518 phone/fax scott at hosef.org > > > On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 09:08:48 -0700 (PDT), David Tisdell > wrote: > >>Hi all, >>I have been noticing that there are quite a few people >>from that northeast that participate in this list (I >>am somewhat sporadic) i.e. ME, Quebec, NY, NH, MA, >>etc. (I am in VT). Would there be any interest in >>trying to put together a regional conference on Linux >>in general and K12LTSP in particular? I don't know >>very many knowledgeable Linux people and usually turn >>to HowTOs and ListServes for help. These are great >>resources but I would like more. In my area, I am >>often the guy other school IT people turn to for help. >>There may be other school IT people in the area who >>are as knowledgeable as I am but I just don't know >>them and I have knowledge gaps (like everyone) that >>need to be filled in. There are plenty of local folks >>I can turn to for help with Netware, Windows, Macs, >>etc. I would like to see Linux and K12LTSP grow to >>that point as well. >>It seems to me that if the K12LTSP IT people could >>have a conference, then we could develop more personal >>connections, get some questions answered in person, >>have some fun and figure how how to broaden adoption >>by our peers. We also might get some of the folks to >>come who are considering adoption but not doing it at >>present. >>What are people's thoughts? >>Dave >>David Tisdell, Computer Coordinator >>Mt. Mansfield Union High School >>Jericho, VT 05465 From petre at maltzen.net Fri Oct 8 20:19:43 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 15:19:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] can't login to wiki In-Reply-To: <1097259472.16122.375.camel@server.ltsp> References: <4166D684.1020309@maltzen.net> <1097259472.16122.375.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <4166F65F.9010908@maltzen.net> That works. Thanks. Petre Eric Harrison wrote: > On Fri, 2004-10-08 at 11:03, Petre Scheie wrote: > >>I thought I'd put Henry Burroughs' "Setting Default Printer based on Location" >>script into the wiki, but I can't seem to get logged into edit the Technical >>page. No matter what ID and/or PW I enter, it doesn't like it. It's been some >>months since I added anything, but I recall that it didn't use to matter what ID >>was used. Has this changed? >> > > > Nope, no changes. Try using "PetreScheie" with no password. > > -Eric > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From bear2bar at netscape.net Fri Oct 8 21:10:30 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 17:10:30 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] North Eastern Conference Possibility In-Reply-To: <4166E934.4070607@hosef.org> References: <20041007122656.2C55374E67@hormel.redhat.com> <20041008160848.90434.qmail@web41907.mail.yahoo.com> <4166E934.4070607@hosef.org> Message-ID: <41670246.9030900@netscape.net> Hi , Just say when & where I'll be there.. Montreal is only a short hop away Norbert scott at hosef.org wrote: > Steve Hargadon wrote: > >> I would definitely attend. I'm in California, but it would be worth it. > > > Dittos from HI. I think this is a great idea that should take place > several times a year across the country. We have been putting the > final touches on our own, TPOSSCON, this January, and intend to > heavily feature what we are all doing within our Education track. The > Northeast sounds beautiful, but I sure hope that we consider how > unpleasant the cold is at the wrong time of the year. Summer, prior > to School starting, would be really timely and pleasant. > > --scott > > From cliebow at downeast.net Fri Oct 8 21:23:14 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 21:23:14 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] North Eastern Conference Possibility Message-ID: <200410082125.i98LPfu23479@downeast.net> david: ltsp developersco ference in southwest harbor maine nov 6-7...public meeting Saturday morning ellsworth high school..Jim McQuillian will be ther..hoping for eric harrison as welll..don't know hiow many of the tem will attend that..chuck --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Fri Oct 8 22:16:46 2004 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 15:16:46 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] North Eastern Conference Possibility In-Reply-To: <200410082125.i98LPfu23479@downeast.net> References: <200410082125.i98LPfu23479@downeast.net> Message-ID: I'd be interested in attending. I'm assuming, since I'm not a developer, that I'd just come for the public meeting? Could I propose a parallel track? I'd be willing to come early and have a min-conference on the commercialization of LTSP. I'm most interested in building a model that will be in harmony with the open-source nature of the project. Steve On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 21:23:14 GMT, cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > david: ltsp developersco ference in southwest harbor maine nov 6-7...public > meeting Saturday morning ellsworth high school..Jim McQuillian will be > ther..hoping for eric harrison as welll..don't know hiow many of the tem > will attend > that..chuck > > --------------------------------------------- > This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Steve Hargadon 916-652-8600 ext. 711 From penguintiz at yahoo.com Fri Oct 8 22:45:59 2004 From: penguintiz at yahoo.com (David Tisdell) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 15:45:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] North Eastern Conference In-Reply-To: <20041008221704.63D9673AD5@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20041008224559.18066.qmail@web41902.mail.yahoo.com> Chuck, Under different circumstances, I would attend your conference but my wife and I are expecting on 11/8. Sooo.... planning to go to a conference in Nov is out for me this year. Is this an annual event? I'd be interested in the future. Dave ----------------------------------------- Message: 10 Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 21:23:14 GMT From: cliebow at downeast.net Subject: Re: [K12OSN] North Eastern Conference Possibility To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Message-ID: <200410082125.i98LPfu23479 at downeast.net> david: ltsp developersco ference in southwest harbor maine nov 6-7...public meeting Saturday morning ellsworth high school..Jim McQuillian will be ther..hoping for eric harrison as welll..don't know hiow many of the tem will attend that..chuck --------------------------------------- _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From cliebow at downeast.net Fri Oct 8 22:57:39 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 22:57:39 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] North Eastern Conference Message-ID: <200410082300.i98N06u03004@downeast.net> dang sorry to miss you...we hsd david and eric last year..the whole crew this year..who knows what will happen next....keep in touch..chuck > Chuck, > Under different circumstances, I would attend your > conference but my wife and I are expecting on 11/8. > Sooo.... planning to go to a conference in Nov is out > for me this year. Is this an annual event? I'd be > interested in the future. > Dave > ----------------------------------------- > Message: 10 > Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 21:23:14 GMT > From: cliebow at downeast.net > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] North Eastern Conference > Possibility > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Message-ID: <200410082125.i98LPfu23479 at downeast.net> > > david: ltsp developersco ference in southwest harbor > maine nov > 6-7...public > meeting Saturday morning ellsworth high school..Jim > McQuillian will be > ther..hoping for eric harrison as welll..don't know > hiow many of the > tem > will attend > that..chuck > --------------------------------------- > > > > _______________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! > http://vote.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au Sat Oct 9 09:34:30 2004 From: debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au (Debbie Schiel) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 19:34:30 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] USB mount error - not a valid block device Message-ID: <4167B0A6.2090004@redeemer.qld.edu.au> Hello everyone, I'm having problems accessing my usb pen on my server/local machine. I have looked on google for advice and followed the instructions on http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Technical:Storage:USB here's what happens: [debbie at localhost debbie]$ su Password: [root at localhost debbie]# cat /proc/scsi/scsi Attached devices: Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00 Vendor: USB 2.0 Model: Flash Disk Rev: PROL Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 [root at localhost debbie]# cat /proc/scsi/usb-storage/0 Host scsi0: usb-storage Vendor: USB 2.0 Flash Disk Product: USB Mass Storage Device Serial Number: None Protocol: 8070i Transport: Bulk Quirks: [root at localhost debbie]# mkdir /tmp/flash mkdir: cannot create directory `/tmp/flash': File exists [root at localhost debbie]# mount /dev/sda1 /tmp/flash mount: /dev/sda1 is not a valid block device Everyone uses these usb pens nowadays so it must be fairly simple to configure (unless your name is Debbie!). Any ideas or pointers? Thanks. Debbie -- http://www.redeemer.qld.edu.au From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sat Oct 9 12:18:30 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 08:18:30 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] North Eastern Conference In-Reply-To: <200410082300.i98N06u03004@downeast.net> References: <200410082300.i98N06u03004@downeast.net> Message-ID: How about this? Each summer Derek Dresser and I sponsor a conference on Linux on general (of which a big part of it is K12LTSP/LTSP) Last year and the year before we had it at Gould Academy in Bethel, Maine (ski country). Beautiful old New England Private School in the Western Mountains of Maine. Fantastic food...great times. We had folks from as far away as Vancouver! Derek and I will be seeing each other in a few days and hopefully nailing down a date for this years conference. Last year the cost was $400 for the three days....this included room and board....the meals were better than any hotel could offer (prime rib....calamari....micro brews.....unbelievable!) (be aware the price could increase a little to encompass increases in costs) The dorms are very nice and have high speed internet which made for some really nice after hours sessions. We're looking for presenters as well....if ya'll are interested...let me know and I'll keep everyone posted.....last year we sold out all 50 slots....we may be able to increase the slots if the interest is there. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From bear2bar at netscape.net Sat Oct 9 13:28:33 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 09:28:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] North Eastern Conference In-Reply-To: References: <200410082300.i98N06u03004@downeast.net> Message-ID: <4167E781.8040104@netscape.net> Hi David, I'm in !!! What topics would you like presentations on ? norbert dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us wrote: >How about this? Each summer Derek Dresser and I sponsor a conference on >Linux on general (of which a big part of it is K12LTSP/LTSP) Last year >and the year before we had it at Gould Academy in Bethel, Maine (ski >country). Beautiful old New England Private School in the Western >Mountains of Maine. Fantastic food...great times. We had folks from as >far away as Vancouver! Derek and I will be seeing each other in a few >days and hopefully nailing down a date for this years conference. Last >year the cost was $400 for the three days....this included room and >board....the meals were better than any hotel could offer (prime >rib....calamari....micro brews.....unbelievable!) (be aware the price >could increase a little to encompass increases in costs) The dorms are >very nice and have high speed internet which made for some really nice >after hours sessions. We're looking for presenters as well....if ya'll >are interested...let me know and I'll keep everyone posted.....last year >we sold out all 50 slots....we may be able to increase the slots if the >interest is there. > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >(207)923-3100 > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see From ltsp at regionalservers.com Sat Oct 9 13:32:13 2004 From: ltsp at regionalservers.com (James Vasey) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 14:32:13 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] North Eastern Conference References: <200410082300.i98N06u03004@downeast.net> <4167E781.8040104@netscape.net> Message-ID: <007e01c4ae04$fb54fe10$2500a8c0@hpjames> When are you planning for Where in the North East are looking for? (british airways flight coming up maybe) James ----- Original Message ----- From: "norbert" To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 2:28 PM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] North Eastern Conference > Hi David, > > I'm in !!! > What topics would you like presentations on ? > > norbert > > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us wrote: > >>How about this? Each summer Derek Dresser and I sponsor a conference on >>Linux on general (of which a big part of it is K12LTSP/LTSP) Last year >>and the year before we had it at Gould Academy in Bethel, Maine (ski >>country). Beautiful old New England Private School in the Western >>Mountains of Maine. Fantastic food...great times. We had folks from as >>far away as Vancouver! Derek and I will be seeing each other in a few >>days and hopefully nailing down a date for this years conference. Last >>year the cost was $400 for the three days....this included room and >>board....the meals were better than any hotel could offer (prime >>rib....calamari....micro brews.....unbelievable!) (be aware the price >>could increase a little to encompass increases in costs) The dorms are >>very nice and have high speed internet which made for some really nice >>after hours sessions. We're looking for presenters as well....if ya'll >>are interested...let me know and I'll keep everyone posted.....last year >>we sold out all 50 slots....we may be able to increase the slots if the >>interest is there. >> >>David N. Trask >>Technology Teacher/Coordinator >>Vassalboro Community School >>dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >>(207)923-3100 >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From aimssda at cscoms.com Sat Oct 9 14:28:34 2004 From: aimssda at cscoms.com (Edwardson Pedragosa) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 21:28:34 +0700 Subject: [K12OSN] User Desktop Icons and Etc.. In-Reply-To: <20041008221704.63D9673AD5@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <000801c4ae0c$45b3ac20$0101a8c0@EDWARD> Hi, Is there a way that I can stop users from changing their user settings? Or just show menus that will be use by each student, like for example, I teach GIMP to a certain grade, they can only run GIMP. Thanks From cliebow at downeast.net Sat Oct 9 14:19:47 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 14:19:47 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] User Desktop Icons and Etc.. Message-ID: <200410091422.i99EM9f08736@downeast.net> with icewm wm you caN ust put a button on toolbar for what you want kids to use.. > Hi, > > Is there a way that I can stop users from changing their user settings? > Or just show menus that will be use by each student, like for example, I > teach GIMP to a certain grade, they can only run GIMP. > > Thanks > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Sat Oct 9 17:03:35 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 13:03:35 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] North Eastern Conference Possibility In-Reply-To: <20041008160848.90434.qmail@web41907.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041008160848.90434.qmail@web41907.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <416819E7.6020605@snet.net> David Tisdell wrote: > Hi all, > I have been noticing that there are quite a few people > from that northeast that participate in this list (I > am somewhat sporadic) i.e. ME, Quebec, NY, NH, MA, > etc. (I am in VT). I'm in CT. I believe there are several other Nutmeggers on the list, too. > Dave > David Tisdell, Computer Coordinator > Mt. Mansfield Union High School > Jericho, VT 05465 > > > > _______________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! > http://vote.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From caldodge at fpcc.net Sat Oct 9 17:14:47 2004 From: caldodge at fpcc.net (Calvin Dodge) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 11:14:47 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] USB mount error - not a valid block device In-Reply-To: <4167B0A6.2090004@redeemer.qld.edu.au> References: <4167B0A6.2090004@redeemer.qld.edu.au> Message-ID: <20041009171447.GA1967@perth.fpcc.net> On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 07:34:30PM +1000, Debbie Schiel wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I'm having problems accessing my usb pen on my server/local machine. I > have looked on google for advice and followed the instructions on > http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Technical:Storage:USB > > here's what happens: > > [debbie at localhost debbie]$ su > Password: > [root at localhost debbie]# cat /proc/scsi/scsi > Attached devices: > Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00 > Vendor: USB 2.0 Model: Flash Disk Rev: PROL > Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 > [root at localhost debbie]# cat /proc/scsi/usb-storage/0 > Host scsi0: usb-storage > Vendor: USB 2.0 Flash Disk > Product: USB Mass Storage Device > Serial Number: None > Protocol: 8070i > Transport: Bulk > Quirks: > [root at localhost debbie]# mkdir /tmp/flash > mkdir: cannot create directory `/tmp/flash': File exists > [root at localhost debbie]# mount /dev/sda1 /tmp/flash > mount: /dev/sda1 is not a valid block device > > Everyone uses these usb pens nowadays so it must be fairly simple to > configure (unless your name is Debbie!). > Any ideas or pointers? I suspect the problem is this: some USB devices are formatted like hard drives, with a partition table at the beginning, then 1 or more partitions to follow. But other USB devices are formatted like floppies, where the partition occupies the entire drive, and there is no partition table. At a guess, I'd say yours is formatted the second way. Try "mount /dev/sda /tmp/flash" Calvin -- Calvin Dodge Certified Linux Bigot (tm) http://www.caldodge.fpcc.net From tom.hoffman at gmail.com Sat Oct 9 17:30:50 2004 From: tom.hoffman at gmail.com (Tom Hoffman) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 13:30:50 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] North Eastern Conference Possibility In-Reply-To: <416819E7.6020605@snet.net> References: <20041008160848.90434.qmail@web41907.mail.yahoo.com> <416819E7.6020605@snet.net> Message-ID: <92de6c88041009103040e0cc0a@mail.gmail.com> I'd come to a NE K12LTSP conference and do whatever I could to support its organization. Tom Hoffman SchoolTool Project Manager Provicence, RI From penguintiz at yahoo.com Sat Oct 9 17:54:39 2004 From: penguintiz at yahoo.com (David Tisdell) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 10:54:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] North Eastern Conference In-Reply-To: <20041009160027.390FB74041@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20041009175439.1054.qmail@web41907.mail.yahoo.com> David, Sounds great! Do you have dates in mind? I might be interested in presenting something. Do you specific topics in mind? Dave ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 08:18:30 -0400 From: "David Trask" Subject: Re: [K12OSN] North Eastern Conference To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Cc: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Message-ID: How about this? Each summer Derek Dresser and I sponsor a conference on Linux on general (of which a big part of it is K12LTSP/LTSP) Last year and the year before we had it at Gould Academy in Bethel, Maine (ski country). Beautiful old New England Private School in the Western Mountains of Maine. Fantastic food...great times. We had folks from as far away as Vancouver! Derek and I will be seeing each other in a few days and hopefully nailing down a date for this years conference. Last year the cost was $400 for the three days....this included room and board....the meals were better than any hotel could offer (prime rib....calamari....micro brews.....unbelievable!) (be aware the price could increase a little to encompass increases in costs) The dorms are very nice and have high speed internet which made for some really nice after hours sessions. We're looking for presenters as well....if ya'll are interested...let me know and I'll keep everyone posted.....last year we sold out all 50 slots....we may be able to increase the slots if the interest is there. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 ---------------------------------- _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Sat Oct 9 18:37:14 2004 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 07:37:14 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] HD boot-Format 1722kb floppy on Fedora Core 2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20041009183711.ORGF22901.mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz@Nendu> I am trying to set up booting from the hard drive on K12LTSP using Toms's boot disk. When I run the install on one of my servers (K12LTSP4.01) the floppies don't verify. I heard some floppy drives/ systems just don't work. So I tried it on another box (K12LTSP 4.1.0) and I get the message "Device not found" Does anyone have advice how to format 1722kb floppies using Fedora Core 2. This seems to be the sticking point. Perhaps there is another way to do this. If there is a 1.44 MB boot image that will allow me to format my HD so I can copy the etherboot image that might be easier. If someone can send an image that I can copy direct to 1.44 floppy that would be fantastic! :-) Other suggestions welcome. Background: I have been using floppies to boot my client computers but have found them a. unreliable (many floppy disk errors) b. the floppy drive is used up by the boot floppy because c. if the kids take the floppies out they lose them. Etherboot BootROM nics are too expensive to get. I already have the hard drives and have no other use for them. I have about 8-9 like this My new terminals have PXE on the motherboard NIC. Much easier:>) From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Sat Oct 9 18:37:14 2004 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 07:37:14 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] Compaq deskpro PXE error In-Reply-To: <4164F38A.3030800@online.no> Message-ID: <20041009183718.ORGR22901.mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz@Nendu> Thanks. Updating the bios did the trick. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Trond M?hlum Sent: Thursday, 7 October 2004 8:43 p.m. To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Compaq deskpro PXE error Krsnendu wrote: > How do I do that? You must download the bios upgrade from hp.com. It's a little tricky to find. Search for it on hp.com. It's an .exe file for Windows which makes a boot floppy. You then boot from the floppy on the Compaq and choose from the menu. It's very easy. the tricky part is to find the file. I don't have it any longer. You could try this link: http://h18007.www1.hp.com/support/files/Deskpro/us/locate/20_378.html#0 it's called rompaq. Regards Trond > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Trond M?hlum > Sent: Thursday, 7 October 2004 8:32 a.m. > To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Compaq deskpro PXE error > > k12osn-bounces at redhat.com wrote: > >>I bought a Compaq deskpro SFF 300 Celeron When I try network >>boot it get the ip address from DHCP but then PXE fails with the >>following message. >> >>No PXE server found, using standard boot file IP ADDR: 192.168.1.253 >>TFTP...... > > > I got exactly this on several Compaq SFF 400's. I flashed the bios using > the latest rom image (it was called rompaq) from hp.com. Worked for me. > > Regards > Trond M?hlum > > > >>Then it times out. >>Any way around this error? >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Sat Oct 9 20:08:57 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 16:08:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] HD boot-Format 1722kb floppy on Fedora Core 2 In-Reply-To: <20041009183711.ORGF22901.mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz@Nendu> References: <20041009183711.ORGF22901.mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz@Nendu> Message-ID: <41684559.7050106@cfl.rr.com> K12LTSP 4.1.0 has no floppy boot image, but it will boot from USB pen drive if your bios supports it. I have an older box that doesn't support it, so I use K12LTSP /4.0.1/ on that, which has a 1.44Mb floppy image that boots so you can access the CDROM install. Not sure what you're talking about with 1722kb floppy. Krsnendu dasa wrote: >I am trying to set up booting from the hard drive on K12LTSP using Toms's >boot disk. When I run the install on one of my servers (K12LTSP4.01) the >floppies don't verify. I heard some floppy drives/ systems just don't work. >So I tried it on another box (K12LTSP 4.1.0) and I get the message "Device >not found" Does anyone have advice how to format 1722kb floppies using >Fedora Core 2. This seems to be the sticking point. > >Perhaps there is another way to do this. If there is a 1.44 MB boot image >that will allow me to format my HD so I can copy the etherboot image that >might be easier. If someone can send an image that I can copy direct to 1.44 >floppy that would be fantastic! :-) > >Other suggestions welcome. > > >Background: I have been using floppies to boot my client computers but have >found them a. unreliable (many floppy disk errors) b. the floppy drive is >used up by the boot floppy because c. if the kids take the floppies out they >lose them. > >Etherboot BootROM nics are too expensive to get. I already have the hard >drives and have no other use for them. I have about 8-9 like this > >My new terminals have PXE on the motherboard NIC. Much easier:>) > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat Oct 9 21:48:00 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 17:48:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] HD boot-Format 1722kb floppy on Fedora Core 2 In-Reply-To: <20041009183711.ORGF22901.mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz@Nendu> References: <20041009183711.ORGF22901.mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz@Nendu> Message-ID: <41685C90.8030905@cmosnetworks.com> Krsnendu dasa wrote: >I am trying to set up booting from the hard drive on K12LTSP using Toms's >boot disk. When I run the install on one of my servers (K12LTSP4.01) the >floppies don't verify. I heard some floppy drives/ systems just don't work. >So I tried it on another box (K12LTSP 4.1.0) and I get the message "Device >not found" Does anyone have advice how to format 1722kb floppies using >Fedora Core 2. This seems to be the sticking point. > >Perhaps there is another way to do this. If there is a 1.44 MB boot image >that will allow me to format my HD so I can copy the etherboot image that >might be easier. If someone can send an image that I can copy direct to 1.44 >floppy that would be fantastic! :-) > >Other suggestions welcome. > > >Background: I have been using floppies to boot my client computers but have >found them a. unreliable (many floppy disk errors) b. the floppy drive is >used up by the boot floppy because c. if the kids take the floppies out they >lose them. > >Etherboot BootROM nics are too expensive to get. I already have the hard >drives and have no other use for them. I have about 8-9 like this > >My new terminals have PXE on the motherboard NIC. Much easier:>) > > > There is indeed another way to do this (gotta love Free Software!). I have a couple of 32MB Pentium I terminals here that boot to K12LTSP from the hard disk. My NICs are 3Com 3C905 and Realtek 8129. No floppy needed for these babies. :-) Basically, you simply cat the EtherBoot floppy to your hard disk. Here's how I did it. Make your EtherBoot boot floppy. Grab something like Damn Small Linux (http://www.damnsmalllinux.org) and burn the ISO image to a CD-R. Boot your terminal with it. D.S.L. has actually been shown to allow GUI access in 16MB DRAM on a 486!! (http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/486.html) Of course, I would recommend no less than 32MB on the clients. Once you're booted, pop your EtherBoot boot floppy in and do this: root at box# cat /dev/fd0 /dev/hda What this will do is copy the contents of your EtherBoot floppy right to the hard disk, starting from Sector 0,0,1, thus over-writing your MBR and partition table (kiss that Windows 95 installation goodbye! :-D ). Your computer will from then on boot from the EtherBoot code every time, just like from a really, Really, REALLY fast, HUUUUUGE "boot floppy." The above command assumes an IDE disk, since that tends to describe most older 486/Pentiums. For SCSI disks, just replace "/dev/hda" with "/dev/sda"; D.S.L. correctly recognized my Adaptec 2930U, even though there's nothing on it. Of course all of this assumes that you have only one disk drive of any sort in the box, or if there's also a CD-ROM drive, that the hard disk (if IDE) is the primary master; CD-ROMs should ideally be the secondary master, if present. HTH, --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From bear2bar at netscape.net Sat Oct 9 21:56:49 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 17:56:49 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] HD boot-Format 1722kb floppy on Fedora Core 2 In-Reply-To: <41685C90.8030905@cmosnetworks.com> References: <20041009183711.ORGF22901.mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz@Nendu> <41685C90.8030905@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <41685EA1.6090607@netscape.net> Hi Terrell, Very cool solution, however most P-Is don't have a CDROM, would blasting some old HD with the floppy image and then (ghost) copying on to other drives work as well based on the same NIC in place? AND how small a hard drive can I use ? ...... got lots of 512MB kicking around... thks norbert microman at cmosnetworks.com wrote: > Krsnendu dasa wrote: > >> I am trying to set up booting from the hard drive on K12LTSP using >> Toms's >> boot disk. When I run the install on one of my servers (K12LTSP4.01) the >> floppies don't verify. I heard some floppy drives/ systems just don't >> work. >> So I tried it on another box (K12LTSP 4.1.0) and I get the message >> "Device >> not found" Does anyone have advice how to format 1722kb floppies using >> Fedora Core 2. This seems to be the sticking point. >> >> Perhaps there is another way to do this. If there is a 1.44 MB boot >> image >> that will allow me to format my HD so I can copy the etherboot image >> that >> might be easier. If someone can send an image that I can copy direct >> to 1.44 >> floppy that would be fantastic! :-) >> >> Other suggestions welcome. >> >> >> Background: I have been using floppies to boot my client computers >> but have >> found them a. unreliable (many floppy disk errors) b. the floppy >> drive is >> used up by the boot floppy because c. if the kids take the floppies >> out they >> lose them. >> >> Etherboot BootROM nics are too expensive to get. I already have the hard >> drives and have no other use for them. I have about 8-9 like this >> >> My new terminals have PXE on the motherboard NIC. Much easier:>) >> >> >> > > There is indeed another way to do this (gotta love Free Software!). I > have a couple of 32MB Pentium I terminals here that boot to K12LTSP > from the hard disk. My NICs are 3Com 3C905 and Realtek 8129. No > floppy needed for these babies. :-) Basically, you simply cat the > EtherBoot floppy to your hard disk. Here's how I did it. > > Make your EtherBoot boot floppy. Grab something like Damn Small Linux > (http://www.damnsmalllinux.org) and burn the ISO image to a CD-R. > Boot your terminal with it. D.S.L. has actually been shown to allow > GUI access in 16MB DRAM on a 486!! > (http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/486.html) Of course, I would recommend > no less than 32MB on the clients. > > Once you're booted, pop your EtherBoot boot floppy in and do this: > > root at box# cat /dev/fd0 /dev/hda > > What this will do is copy the contents of your EtherBoot floppy right > to the hard disk, starting from Sector 0,0,1, thus over-writing your > MBR and partition table (kiss that Windows 95 installation goodbye! > :-D ). Your computer will from then on boot from the EtherBoot code > every time, just like from a really, Really, REALLY fast, HUUUUUGE > "boot floppy." The above command assumes an IDE disk, since that > tends to describe most older 486/Pentiums. For SCSI disks, just > replace "/dev/hda" with "/dev/sda"; D.S.L. correctly recognized my > Adaptec 2930U, even though there's nothing on it. Of course all of > this assumes that you have only one disk drive of any sort in the box, > or if there's also a CD-ROM drive, that the hard disk (if IDE) is the > primary master; CD-ROMs should ideally be the secondary master, if > present. > > HTH, > > --TP > _____________________ > Do you GNU!? > Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check > it out! > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au Sat Oct 9 22:21:10 2004 From: debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au (Debbie Schiel) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 08:21:10 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] User Desktop Icons and Etc.. In-Reply-To: <000801c4ae0c$45b3ac20$0101a8c0@EDWARD> References: <000801c4ae0c$45b3ac20$0101a8c0@EDWARD> Message-ID: <41686456.6000403@redeemer.qld.edu.au> Gavin has a step-by-step tutorial on his website: http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net/k12ltsp/desktop_per_group.htm "...the script I made up below will check if the logging on user is a member of a certain group, if so make the Icon appear on the users Desktop, But if they are Not a member of the group, make sure the Icon is Not on the users Desktop" Edwardson Pedragosa wrote: > Hi, > > Is there a way that I can stop users from changing their user settings? > Or just show menus that will be use by each student, like for example, I > teach GIMP to a certain grade, they can only run GIMP. > > Thanks > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- http://www.redeemer.qld.edu.au/ From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat Oct 9 22:22:21 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 18:22:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] HD boot-Format 1722kb floppy on Fedora Core 2 In-Reply-To: <41685EA1.6090607@netscape.net> References: <20041009183711.ORGF22901.mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz@Nendu> <41685C90.8030905@cmosnetworks.com> <41685EA1.6090607@netscape.net> Message-ID: <4168649D.1080903@cmosnetworks.com> Actually, all you need is the size of the EtherBoot file itself. In the case of the 3C905 and RealTek 8129, this is 36,864 bytes, or exactly 36kB. Yup, kilobytes! This thing's smaller than DOS 5.0's COMMAND.COM. An old IBM PC-XT hard disk from 1983 would, therefore, be way, way overkill for this, and thus, 512MB oughta be enough for anybody. :-D And I agree; I see no reason why Ghost shouldn't be just peachy for this. Just make sure you do a bit-for-bit copy, since there aren't any recognizable filesystems on the disk anymore, and you oughta be fine. --TP norbert wrote: > Hi Terrell, > > Very cool solution, however most P-Is don't have a CDROM, would > blasting some old HD with the floppy image and then (ghost) copying on > to other drives work as well based on the same NIC in place? > AND how small a hard drive can I use ? ...... got lots of 512MB > kicking around... > > thks > norbert > > microman at cmosnetworks.com wrote: > >> Krsnendu dasa wrote: >> >>> I am trying to set up booting from the hard drive on K12LTSP using >>> Toms's >>> boot disk. When I run the install on one of my servers (K12LTSP4.01) >>> the >>> floppies don't verify. I heard some floppy drives/ systems just >>> don't work. >>> So I tried it on another box (K12LTSP 4.1.0) and I get the message >>> "Device >>> not found" Does anyone have advice how to format 1722kb floppies using >>> Fedora Core 2. This seems to be the sticking point. >>> >>> Perhaps there is another way to do this. If there is a 1.44 MB boot >>> image >>> that will allow me to format my HD so I can copy the etherboot image >>> that >>> might be easier. If someone can send an image that I can copy direct >>> to 1.44 >>> floppy that would be fantastic! :-) >>> >>> Other suggestions welcome. >>> >>> >>> Background: I have been using floppies to boot my client computers >>> but have >>> found them a. unreliable (many floppy disk errors) b. the floppy >>> drive is >>> used up by the boot floppy because c. if the kids take the floppies >>> out they >>> lose them. >>> >>> Etherboot BootROM nics are too expensive to get. I already have the >>> hard >>> drives and have no other use for them. I have about 8-9 like this >>> >>> My new terminals have PXE on the motherboard NIC. Much easier:>) >>> >>> >>> >> >> There is indeed another way to do this (gotta love Free Software!). >> I have a couple of 32MB Pentium I terminals here that boot to K12LTSP >> from the hard disk. My NICs are 3Com 3C905 and Realtek 8129. No >> floppy needed for these babies. :-) Basically, you simply cat the >> EtherBoot floppy to your hard disk. Here's how I did it. >> >> Make your EtherBoot boot floppy. Grab something like Damn Small >> Linux (http://www.damnsmalllinux.org) and burn the ISO image to a >> CD-R. Boot your terminal with it. D.S.L. has actually been shown to >> allow GUI access in 16MB DRAM on a 486!! >> (http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/486.html) Of course, I would >> recommend no less than 32MB on the clients. >> >> Once you're booted, pop your EtherBoot boot floppy in and do this: >> >> root at box# cat /dev/fd0 /dev/hda >> >> What this will do is copy the contents of your EtherBoot floppy right >> to the hard disk, starting from Sector 0,0,1, thus over-writing your >> MBR and partition table (kiss that Windows 95 installation goodbye! >> :-D ). Your computer will from then on boot from the EtherBoot code >> every time, just like from a really, Really, REALLY fast, HUUUUUGE >> "boot floppy." The above command assumes an IDE disk, since that >> tends to describe most older 486/Pentiums. For SCSI disks, just >> replace "/dev/hda" with "/dev/sda"; D.S.L. correctly recognized my >> Adaptec 2930U, even though there's nothing on it. Of course all of >> this assumes that you have only one disk drive of any sort in the >> box, or if there's also a CD-ROM drive, that the hard disk (if IDE) >> is the primary master; CD-ROMs should ideally be the secondary >> master, if present. >> >> HTH, >> >> --TP >> _____________________ > From debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au Sat Oct 9 22:33:40 2004 From: debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au (Debbie Schiel) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 08:33:40 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] USB mount error - not a valid block device In-Reply-To: <20041009171447.GA1967@perth.fpcc.net> References: <4167B0A6.2090004@redeemer.qld.edu.au> <20041009171447.GA1967@perth.fpcc.net> Message-ID: <41686744.9090606@redeemer.qld.edu.au> COOL!! Your explanation made sense and it worked! I wish I could have educated guesses like that one. Thanks Calvin. Calvin Dodge wrote: > On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 07:34:30PM +1000, Debbie Schiel wrote: > >>Hello everyone, >> >>I'm having problems accessing my usb pen on my server/local machine. I >>have looked on google for advice and followed the instructions on >>http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Technical:Storage:USB >> >>here's what happens: >> >>[debbie at localhost debbie]$ su >>Password: >>[root at localhost debbie]# cat /proc/scsi/scsi >>Attached devices: >>Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00 >> Vendor: USB 2.0 Model: Flash Disk Rev: PROL >> Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 >>[root at localhost debbie]# cat /proc/scsi/usb-storage/0 >> Host scsi0: usb-storage >> Vendor: USB 2.0 Flash Disk >> Product: USB Mass Storage Device >>Serial Number: None >> Protocol: 8070i >> Transport: Bulk >> Quirks: >>[root at localhost debbie]# mkdir /tmp/flash >>mkdir: cannot create directory `/tmp/flash': File exists >>[root at localhost debbie]# mount /dev/sda1 /tmp/flash >>mount: /dev/sda1 is not a valid block device >> >>Everyone uses these usb pens nowadays so it must be fairly simple to >>configure (unless your name is Debbie!). >>Any ideas or pointers? > > > I suspect the problem is this: some USB devices are formatted like hard drives, > with a partition table at the beginning, then 1 or more partitions to follow. > > But other USB devices are formatted like floppies, where the partition occupies > the entire drive, and there is no partition table. > > At a guess, I'd say yours is formatted the second way. Try "mount /dev/sda /tmp/flash" > > Calvin > -- http://www.redeemer.qld.edu.au/ From robark at telus.net Sat Oct 9 23:39:19 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 16:39:19 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] HD boot-Format 1722kb floppy on Fedora Core 2 In-Reply-To: <41685C90.8030905@cmosnetworks.com> References: <20041009183711.ORGF22901.mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz@Nendu> <41685C90.8030905@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <416876A7.9050206@telus.net> Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > > There is indeed another way to do this (gotta love Free Software!). I > have a couple of 32MB Pentium I terminals here that boot to K12LTSP > from the hard disk. My NICs are 3Com 3C905 and Realtek 8129. No > floppy needed for these babies. :-) Basically, you simply cat the > EtherBoot floppy to your hard disk. Here's how I did it. > > Make your EtherBoot boot floppy. Grab something like Damn Small Linux > (http://www.damnsmalllinux.org) and burn the ISO image to a CD-R. > Boot your terminal with it. D.S.L. has actually been shown to allow > GUI access in 16MB DRAM on a 486!! > (http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/486.html) Of course, I would recommend > no less than 32MB on the clients. > > Once you're booted, pop your EtherBoot boot floppy in and do this: > > root at box# cat /dev/fd0 /dev/hda > > What this will do is copy the contents of your EtherBoot floppy right > to the hard disk, starting from Sector 0,0,1, thus over-writing your > MBR and partition table (kiss that Windows 95 installation goodbye! > :-D ). Your computer will from then on boot from the EtherBoot code > every time, just like from a really, Really, REALLY fast, HUUUUUGE > "boot floppy." The above command assumes an IDE disk, since that > tends to describe most older 486/Pentiums. For SCSI disks, just > replace "/dev/hda" with "/dev/sda"; D.S.L. correctly recognized my > Adaptec 2930U, even though there's nothing on it. Of course all of > this assumes that you have only one disk drive of any sort in the box, > or if there's also a CD-ROM drive, that the hard disk (if IDE) is the > primary master; CD-ROMs should ideally be the secondary master, if > present. > > HTH, > > --TP Terrel, This is a super simple solution if you don't need the HD for anything else except to boot the client. I vote this gets put in to the wiki. Couldn't you also do this using Tom's Root Boot? BTW I also had problems making Tom's Root Boot so I did it at home on Slackware and it worked. Robert Arkiletian From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sun Oct 10 01:01:06 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 21:01:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] North Eastern Conference In-Reply-To: <20041009175439.1054.qmail@web41907.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041009175439.1054.qmail@web41907.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Saturday, October 9, 2004 at 1:54 PM +0000 wrote: >David, >Sounds great! Do you have dates in mind? I might be >interested in presenting something. Do you specific >topics in mind? >Dave Last year we did it the last week in June...let me talk to Derek and as soon as I know I'll share with all of you. Barring any unforeseen circumstances it will be happening again this year....probably about the same time. One benefit to doing it early in the summer is that it gives many of us a chance to take what we've learned and go back and spend the summer "playing". :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sun Oct 10 01:01:06 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 21:01:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] North Eastern Conference In-Reply-To: <20041009175439.1054.qmail@web41907.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041009175439.1054.qmail@web41907.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Saturday, October 9, 2004 at 1:54 PM +0000 wrote: >David, >Sounds great! Do you have dates in mind? I might be >interested in presenting something. Do you specific >topics in mind? >Dave Last year we did it the last week in June...let me talk to Derek and as soon as I know I'll share with all of you. Barring any unforeseen circumstances it will be happening again this year....probably about the same time. One benefit to doing it early in the summer is that it gives many of us a chance to take what we've learned and go back and spend the summer "playing". :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sun Oct 10 01:05:54 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 21:05:54 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] North Eastern Conference In-Reply-To: <007e01c4ae04$fb54fe10$2500a8c0@hpjames> References: <200410082300.i98N06u03004@downeast.net> <, > <4167E781.8040104@netscape.net> <,> <007e01c4ae04$fb54fe10$2500a8c0@hpjames> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Saturday, October 9, 2004 at 9:32 AM +0000 wrote: >When are you planning for Where in the North East are looking for? >(british >airways flight coming up maybe) Nearest airports in order of distance....near to far Portland International Jetport (Portland , ME) Manchester Airport (Manchester, NH) primarily Southwest Airlines Pease International Tradeport (Portsmouth/Dover NH) only Pan-Am) Bangor International Airport (Bangor, ME) Logan Airport (Boston, MA) Montreal is a ways, but might be a more valid option for Canadians. Bethel is just over the Maine/NH border in the Western part of the state. The ski area is Sunday River. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Sun Oct 10 01:04:45 2004 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:04:45 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba problem Message-ID: <20041010010442.SNOW13668.mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz@Nendu> On K12LTSP 4.1.0 (the WINS Server) the workgroup name (hkschool) is listed twice in the network/Windows Network window. One of them shows the shares on the K12LTSP server only The other one says >Folder contents cannot be displayed. Sorry couldn't display all the contents of "Windows Network: hkschool%20%20%20%20%20%20%20" Any ideas what is going on? This has happened even when I have reinstalled the K12LTSP server and the laptop works fine on another network/server elsewhere (K12LTSP4.0.1) Details follow. Only 2 machines involved K12LTSP Eth0 IP Address: 192.168.0.49 /255.255.255.0 Eth1 IP Address: 192.168.0.49 /255.255.255.0 DNS Server: 192.168.1.20 Default Gateway: 192.168.1.20 WinXP laptop - IP Address: 192.168.1.20 /255.255.255.0 WINS Server: 192.168.0.49 DNS Server: 192.168.0.49 Default Gateway: Samba.conf [global] workgroup = HKSCHOOL server string = LTSPServer hosts allow = 192.168.1. 127. log file = /var/log/samba/%m.log # Put a capping on the size of the log files (in Kb). max log size = 50 socket options = TCP_NODELAY SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192 interfaces = eth1 # Browser Control Options: local master = yes os level = 255 domain master = yes preferred master = yes wins support = yes # WINS Server - Tells the NMBD components of Samba to be a WINS Client dns proxy = no #============================ Share Definitions ============================== idmap uid = 16777216-33554431 idmap gid = 16777216-33554431 template shell = /bin/false username map = /etc/samba/smbusers password server = None guest ok = yes winbind use default domain = no [homes] comment = Home Directories browseable = no writeable = yes [test] comment = Test directory for filesharing path = /test writeable = yes guest ok = yes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Sun Oct 10 01:09:39 2004 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:09:39 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Samba problem Message-ID: <20041010010935.SLMS22901.mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz@Nendu> I forgot to mention that from WinXP the LTSPserver is the only machine listed by findsmb Where as from the LTSPServer both computers are listed. >From K12LTSP server can ping LTSPServer but not the other computer NENDU >From WInXP I can ping NENDU but not LTSPSERVER _____ From: Krsnendu dasa [mailto:krsnendu at orcon.net.nz] Sent: Sunday, 10 October 2004 2:05 p.m. To: 'K12OSN at redhat.com' Subject: Samba problem On K12LTSP 4.1.0 (the WINS Server) the workgroup name (hkschool) is listed twice in the network/Windows Network window. One of them shows the shares on the K12LTSP server only The other one says >Folder contents cannot be displayed. Sorry couldn't display all the contents of "Windows Network: hkschool%20%20%20%20%20%20%20" Any ideas what is going on? This has happened even when I have reinstalled the K12LTSP server and the laptop works fine on another network/server elsewhere (K12LTSP4.0.1) Details follow. Only 2 machines involved K12LTSP Eth0 IP Address: 192.168.0.49 /255.255.255.0 Eth1 IP Address: 192.168.0.49 /255.255.255.0 DNS Server: 192.168.1.20 Default Gateway: 192.168.1.20 WinXP laptop - IP Address: 192.168.1.20 /255.255.255.0 WINS Server: 192.168.0.49 DNS Server: 192.168.0.49 Default Gateway: Samba.conf [global] workgroup = HKSCHOOL server string = LTSPServer hosts allow = 192.168.1. 127. log file = /var/log/samba/%m.log # Put a capping on the size of the log files (in Kb). max log size = 50 socket options = TCP_NODELAY SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192 interfaces = eth1 # Browser Control Options: local master = yes os level = 255 domain master = yes preferred master = yes wins support = yes # WINS Server - Tells the NMBD components of Samba to be a WINS Client dns proxy = no #============================ Share Definitions ============================== idmap uid = 16777216-33554431 idmap gid = 16777216-33554431 template shell = /bin/false username map = /etc/samba/smbusers password server = None guest ok = yes winbind use default domain = no [homes] comment = Home Directories browseable = no writeable = yes [test] comment = Test directory for filesharing path = /test writeable = yes guest ok = yes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From accessys at smart.net Sun Oct 10 01:14:46 2004 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 21:14:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] North Eastern Conference In-Reply-To: References: <20041009175439.1054.qmail@web41907.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 9 Oct 2004, David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Saturday, October 9, 2004 at 1:54 PM +0000 wrote: > >David, > >Sounds great! Do you have dates in mind? I might be > >interested in presenting something. Do you specific > >topics in mind? > >Dave > > Last year we did it the last week in June...let me talk to Derek and as heck that is lousy for skiing, I'm a part time instructor and have to take update classes, was going to try to "kill two birds" and combine the conference and ski trip together bummer I can't get away much in the summer Bob ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From accessys at smart.net Sun Oct 10 01:16:27 2004 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 21:16:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] North Eastern Conference In-Reply-To: References: <200410082300.i98N06u03004@downeast.net> <, > <4167E781.8040104@netscape.net> <, > <007e01c4ae04$fb54fe10$2500a8c0@hpjames> Message-ID: On Sat, 9 Oct 2004, David Trask wrote: > Nearest airports in order of distance....near to far well Lewiston/Auburn would probably be even closer, but only commuter aircraft > > Portland International Jetport (Portland , ME) > > Bethel is just over the Maine/NH border in the Western part of the state. > The ski area is Sunday River. yes, and Sunday River is some awesome mountain for eastern skiing Bob ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From cliebow at downeast.net Sun Oct 10 13:54:01 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 13:54:01 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Samba problem Message-ID: <200410101356.i9ADuGt28540@downeast.net> i am really surprised that with both eth0 and eth1 on the same network the kernel doesn't get reaaly confused.. --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From bear2bar at netscape.net Sun Oct 10 14:44:50 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 10:44:50 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] North Eastern Conference In-Reply-To: References: <200410082300.i98N06u03004@downeast.net> <, > <4167E781.8040104@netscape.net> <, > <007e01c4ae04$fb54fe10$2500a8c0@hpjames> Message-ID: <41694AE2.1010400@netscape.net> Hi David, If anyone wants to fly into Montreal we could arrange a car-pool .... or truck-pool to the conference.. norbert dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us wrote: >"Support list for opensource software in schools." on >Saturday, October 9, 2004 at 9:32 AM +0000 wrote: > > >>When are you planning for Where in the North East are looking for? >>(british >>airways flight coming up maybe) >> >> > >Nearest airports in order of distance....near to far > >Portland International Jetport (Portland , ME) >Manchester Airport (Manchester, NH) primarily Southwest Airlines >Pease International Tradeport (Portsmouth/Dover NH) only Pan-Am) >Bangor International Airport (Bangor, ME) >Logan Airport (Boston, MA) > >Montreal is a ways, but might be a more valid option for Canadians. > >Bethel is just over the Maine/NH border in the Western part of the state. >The ski area is Sunday River. > > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >(207)923-3100 > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Sun Oct 10 16:46:03 2004 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 05:46:03 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba problem In-Reply-To: <20041010010442.SNOW13668.mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz@Nendu> Message-ID: <20041010164559.SZP22901.mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz@Nendu> Sorry another mistake. K12LTSP Eth0 IP Address: 192.168.1.254 /255.255.255.0 Eth1 IP Address: 192.168.0.49 /255.255.255.0 _____ From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Krsnendu dasa Sent: Sunday, 10 October 2004 2:05 p.m. To: K12OSN at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Samba problem On K12LTSP 4.1.0 (the WINS Server) the workgroup name (hkschool) is listed twice in the network/Windows Network window. One of them shows the shares on the K12LTSP server only The other one says >Folder contents cannot be displayed. Sorry couldn't display all the contents of "Windows Network: hkschool%20%20%20%20%20%20%20" Any ideas what is going on? This has happened even when I have reinstalled the K12LTSP server and the laptop works fine on another network/server elsewhere (K12LTSP4.0.1) Details follow. Only 2 machines involved K12LTSP Eth0 IP Address: 192.168.1.254 /255.255.255.0 Eth1 IP Address: 192.168.0.49 /255.255.255.0 DNS Server: 192.168.1.20 Default Gateway: 192.168.1.20 WinXP laptop - IP Address: 192.168.1.20 /255.255.255.0 WINS Server: 192.168.0.49 DNS Server: 192.168.0.49 Default Gateway: Samba.conf [global] workgroup = HKSCHOOL server string = LTSPServer hosts allow = 192.168.1. 127. log file = /var/log/samba/%m.log # Put a capping on the size of the log files (in Kb). max log size = 50 socket options = TCP_NODELAY SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192 interfaces = eth1 # Browser Control Options: local master = yes os level = 255 domain master = yes preferred master = yes wins support = yes # WINS Server - Tells the NMBD components of Samba to be a WINS Client dns proxy = no #============================ Share Definitions ============================== idmap uid = 16777216-33554431 idmap gid = 16777216-33554431 template shell = /bin/false username map = /etc/samba/smbusers password server = None guest ok = yes winbind use default domain = no [homes] comment = Home Directories browseable = no writeable = yes [test] comment = Test directory for filesharing path = /test writeable = yes guest ok = yes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cliebow at downeast.net Sun Oct 10 20:36:19 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:36:19 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Samba problem Message-ID: <200410102038.i9AKcVt06431@downeast.net> i dont see a security= statement...musrt be using the default?? > > Sorry another mistake. > > K12LTSP > > Eth0 IP Address: 192.168.1.254 /255.255.255.0 > > Eth1 IP Address: 192.168.0.49 /255.255.255.0 > > > > _____ > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of Krsnendu dasa > Sent: Sunday, 10 October 2004 2:05 p.m. > To: K12OSN at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] Samba problem > > > > On K12LTSP 4.1.0 (the WINS Server) the workgroup name (hkschool) is listed > twice in the network/Windows Network window. > > One of them shows the shares on the K12LTSP server only > > The other one says >Folder contents cannot be displayed. Sorry couldn't > display all the contents of "Windows Network: hkschool%20%20%20%20%20%20%20" > > Any ideas what is going on? This has happened even when I have reinstalled > the K12LTSP server and the laptop works fine on another network/server > elsewhere (K12LTSP4.0.1) > > > > Details follow. > > > > Only 2 machines involved > > > > K12LTSP > > Eth0 IP Address: 192.168.1.254 /255.255.255.0 > > Eth1 IP Address: 192.168.0.49 /255.255.255.0 > > DNS Server: 192.168.1.20 > > Default Gateway: 192.168.1.20 > > > > > > WinXP laptop - IP Address: 192.168.1.20 /255.255.255.0 > > WINS Server: 192.168.0.49 > > DNS Server: 192.168.0.49 > > Default Gateway: > > > > Samba.conf > > > > [global] > > workgroup = HKSCHOOL > > server string = LTSPServer > > hosts allow = 192.168.1. 127. > log file = /var/log/samba/%m.log > > # Put a capping on the size of the log files (in Kb). > max log size = 50 > > > > > socket options = TCP_NODELAY SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192 > > interfaces = eth1 > > # Browser Control Options: > local master = yes > os level = 255 > domain master = yes > preferred master = yes > > > wins support = yes > > # WINS Server - Tells the NMBD components of Samba to be a WINS Client > dns proxy = no > > > #============================ Share Definitions > ============================== > idmap uid = 16777216-33554431 > idmap gid = 16777216-33554431 > template shell = /bin/false > username map = /etc/samba/smbusers > password server = None > guest ok = yes > winbind use default domain = no > [homes] > comment = Home Directories > browseable = no > writeable = yes > [test] > comment = Test directory for filesharing > path = /test > writeable = yes > guest ok = yes > > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Mon Oct 11 00:22:24 2004 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 13:22:24 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] HD boot-Format 1722kb floppy on Fedora Core 2 In-Reply-To: <41685C90.8030905@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <20041011002224.KTPP13668.mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz@Nendu> I tried doing cat to hard drive from floppy but I kept getting garbage on the screen, so I attached the destination HD and did $ cat eb-5.2.5-yournic.zdsk > /dev/hdc but when I try to boot from the hard drive it get the following messages. Loading ROM image. 8000 AX:0208 BX:0000 CX 0002 D:0000 . 8000 AX:0208 BX:0000 CX 0002 D:0000 . 8000 AX:0208 BX:0000 CX 0002 D:0000 . 8000 AX:0208 BX:0000 CX 0002 D:0000 . What does this mean? I was able to boot this machine using a floppy previously but I started repeatedly getting a similar message. I thought it was a floppy drive problem so I decided to try using HD boot. I also have other machines that show the same kind of problems. Any advice. Will it work better if I use the more complex zlilo method? -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Terrell Prud?, Jr. Sent: Sunday, 10 October 2004 10:48 a.m. To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] HD boot-Format 1722kb floppy on Fedora Core 2 Krsnendu dasa wrote: >I am trying to set up booting from the hard drive on K12LTSP using Toms's >boot disk. When I run the install on one of my servers (K12LTSP4.01) the >floppies don't verify. I heard some floppy drives/ systems just don't work. >So I tried it on another box (K12LTSP 4.1.0) and I get the message "Device >not found" Does anyone have advice how to format 1722kb floppies using >Fedora Core 2. This seems to be the sticking point. > >Perhaps there is another way to do this. If there is a 1.44 MB boot image >that will allow me to format my HD so I can copy the etherboot image that >might be easier. If someone can send an image that I can copy direct to 1.44 >floppy that would be fantastic! :-) > >Other suggestions welcome. > > >Background: I have been using floppies to boot my client computers but have >found them a. unreliable (many floppy disk errors) b. the floppy drive is >used up by the boot floppy because c. if the kids take the floppies out they >lose them. > >Etherboot BootROM nics are too expensive to get. I already have the hard >drives and have no other use for them. I have about 8-9 like this > >My new terminals have PXE on the motherboard NIC. Much easier:>) > > > There is indeed another way to do this (gotta love Free Software!). I have a couple of 32MB Pentium I terminals here that boot to K12LTSP from the hard disk. My NICs are 3Com 3C905 and Realtek 8129. No floppy needed for these babies. :-) Basically, you simply cat the EtherBoot floppy to your hard disk. Here's how I did it. Make your EtherBoot boot floppy. Grab something like Damn Small Linux (http://www.damnsmalllinux.org) and burn the ISO image to a CD-R. Boot your terminal with it. D.S.L. has actually been shown to allow GUI access in 16MB DRAM on a 486!! (http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/486.html) Of course, I would recommend no less than 32MB on the clients. Once you're booted, pop your EtherBoot boot floppy in and do this: root at box# cat /dev/fd0 /dev/hda What this will do is copy the contents of your EtherBoot floppy right to the hard disk, starting from Sector 0,0,1, thus over-writing your MBR and partition table (kiss that Windows 95 installation goodbye! :-D ). Your computer will from then on boot from the EtherBoot code every time, just like from a really, Really, REALLY fast, HUUUUUGE "boot floppy." The above command assumes an IDE disk, since that tends to describe most older 486/Pentiums. For SCSI disks, just replace "/dev/hda" with "/dev/sda"; D.S.L. correctly recognized my Adaptec 2930U, even though there's nothing on it. Of course all of this assumes that you have only one disk drive of any sort in the box, or if there's also a CD-ROM drive, that the hard disk (if IDE) is the primary master; CD-ROMs should ideally be the secondary master, if present. HTH, --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Mon Oct 11 00:24:17 2004 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 13:24:17 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba problem In-Reply-To: <200410102038.i9AKcVt06431@downeast.net> Message-ID: <20041011002416.KKVQ22901.mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz@Nendu> Security = user -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of cliebow at downeast.net Sent: Monday, 11 October 2004 9:36 a.m. To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Samba problem i dont see a security= statement...musrt be using the default?? > > Sorry another mistake. > > K12LTSP > > Eth0 IP Address: 192.168.1.254 /255.255.255.0 > [Krsnendu dasa] > Eth1 IP Address: 192.168.0.49 /255.255.255.0 > > > > _____ > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of Krsnendu dasa > Sent: Sunday, 10 October 2004 2:05 p.m. > To: K12OSN at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] Samba problem > > > > On K12LTSP 4.1.0 (the WINS Server) the workgroup name (hkschool) is listed > twice in the network/Windows Network window. > > One of them shows the shares on the K12LTSP server only > > The other one says >Folder contents cannot be displayed. Sorry couldn't > display all the contents of "Windows Network: hkschool%20%20%20%20%20%20%20" > > Any ideas what is going on? This has happened even when I have reinstalled > the K12LTSP server and the laptop works fine on another network/server > elsewhere (K12LTSP4.0.1) > > > > Details follow. > > > > Only 2 machines involved > > > > K12LTSP > > Eth0 IP Address: 192.168.1.254 /255.255.255.0 > > Eth1 IP Address: 192.168.0.49 /255.255.255.0 > > DNS Server: 192.168.1.20 > > Default Gateway: 192.168.1.20 > > > > > > WinXP laptop - IP Address: 192.168.1.20 /255.255.255.0 > > WINS Server: 192.168.0.49 > > DNS Server: 192.168.0.49 > > Default Gateway: > > > > Samba.conf > > > > [global] > > workgroup = HKSCHOOL > > server string = LTSPServer > > hosts allow = 192.168.1. 127. > log file = /var/log/samba/%m.log > > # Put a capping on the size of the log files (in Kb). > max log size = 50 > > > > > socket options = TCP_NODELAY SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192 > > interfaces = eth1 > > # Browser Control Options: > local master = yes > os level = 255 > domain master = yes > preferred master = yes > > > wins support = yes > > # WINS Server - Tells the NMBD components of Samba to be a WINS Client > dns proxy = no > > > #============================ Share Definitions > ============================== > idmap uid = 16777216-33554431 > idmap gid = 16777216-33554431 > template shell = /bin/false > username map = /etc/samba/smbusers > password server = None > guest ok = yes > winbind use default domain = no > [homes] > comment = Home Directories > browseable = no > writeable = yes > [test] > comment = Test directory for filesharing > path = /test > writeable = yes > guest ok = yes > > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From cliebow at downeast.net Mon Oct 11 00:20:55 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 00:20:55 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] HD boot-Format 1722kb floppy on Fedora Core 2 Message-ID: <200410110023.i9B0N6t28505@downeast.net> try dd...and use 5.0.11 if possible dd if=eb-5.0.11-yournic.lzdsk of=/dev/hda ive moved 40 gig windows partitions with dd...cant get a handle on oyur samba problem ch uck > I tried doing cat to hard drive from floppy but I kept getting garbage on > the screen, so I attached the destination HD and did > $ cat eb-5.2.5-yournic.zdsk > /dev/hdc > but when I try to boot from the hard drive it get the following messages. > > Loading ROM image. > 8000 AX:0208 BX:0000 CX 0002 D:0000 > .. > 8000 AX:0208 BX:0000 CX 0002 D:0000 > .. > 8000 AX:0208 BX:0000 CX 0002 D:0000 > .. > 8000 AX:0208 BX:0000 CX 0002 D:0000 > .. > > What does this mean? > > I was able to boot this machine using a floppy previously but I started > repeatedly getting a similar message. I thought it was a floppy drive > problem so I decided to try using HD boot. > > I also have other machines that show the same kind of problems. > > Any advice. > > Will it work better if I use the more complex zlilo method? > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of Terrell Prud?, Jr. > Sent: Sunday, 10 October 2004 10:48 a.m. > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] HD boot-Format 1722kb floppy on Fedora Core 2 > > Krsnendu dasa wrote: > > >I am trying to set up booting from the hard drive on K12LTSP using Toms's > >boot disk. When I run the install on one of my servers (K12LTSP4.01) the > >floppies don't verify. I heard some floppy drives/ systems just don't work. > >So I tried it on another box (K12LTSP 4.1.0) and I get the message "Device > >not found" Does anyone have advice how to format 1722kb floppies using > >Fedora Core 2. This seems to be the sticking point. > > > >Perhaps there is another way to do this. If there is a 1.44 MB boot image > >that will allow me to format my HD so I can copy the etherboot image that > >might be easier. If someone can send an image that I can copy direct to > 1.44 > >floppy that would be fantastic! :-) > > > >Other suggestions welcome. > > > > > >Background: I have been using floppies to boot my client computers but have > >found them a. unreliable (many floppy disk errors) b. the floppy drive is > >used up by the boot floppy because c. if the kids take the floppies out > they > >lose them. > > > >Etherboot BootROM nics are too expensive to get. I already have the hard > >drives and have no other use for them. I have about 8-9 like this > > > >My new terminals have PXE on the motherboard NIC. Much easier:>) > > > > > > > > There is indeed another way to do this (gotta love Free Software!). I > have a couple of 32MB Pentium I terminals here that boot to K12LTSP from > the hard disk. My NICs are 3Com 3C905 and Realtek 8129. No floppy > needed for these babies. :-) Basically, you simply cat the EtherBoot > floppy to your hard disk. Here's how I did it. > > Make your EtherBoot boot floppy. Grab something like Damn Small Linux > (http://www.damnsmalllinux.org) and burn the ISO image to a CD-R. Boot > your terminal with it. D.S.L. has actually been shown to allow GUI > access in 16MB DRAM on a 486!! > (http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/486.html) Of course, I would recommend > no less than 32MB on the clients. > > Once you're booted, pop your EtherBoot boot floppy in and do this: > > root at box# cat /dev/fd0 /dev/hda > > What this will do is copy the contents of your EtherBoot floppy right to > the hard disk, starting from Sector 0,0,1, thus over-writing your MBR > and partition table (kiss that Windows 95 installation goodbye! :-D ). > Your computer will from then on boot from the EtherBoot code every time, > just like from a really, Really, REALLY fast, HUUUUUGE "boot floppy." > The above command assumes an IDE disk, since that tends to describe most > older 486/Pentiums. For SCSI disks, just replace "/dev/hda" with > "/dev/sda"; D.S.L. correctly recognized my Adaptec 2930U, even though > there's nothing on it. Of course all of this assumes that you have only > one disk drive of any sort in the box, or if there's also a CD-ROM > drive, that the hard disk (if IDE) is the primary master; CD-ROMs should > ideally be the secondary master, if present. > > HTH, > > --TP > _____________________ > Do you GNU!? > Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it > out! > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From lewis at pcc.com Mon Oct 11 15:13:45 2004 From: lewis at pcc.com (Lewis Holcroft) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 11:13:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] North Eastern Conference Possibility In-Reply-To: <20041008160848.90434.qmail@web41907.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041008160848.90434.qmail@web41907.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <255C98B6-1B98-11D9-8E47-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> David, My LTSP Knowledge has some holes too. But I have been working with *Unix now for about 8 years. We just rolled out a large LTSP network (lots of fun) about 90 workstations. I have planted the LTSP seed with The Gailer School in Shelburne, and am trying to get the ear of the Burlington School district to have them come look at our demo. I am local (Burlington) we could have our own local chit chat session and share resources if you're interested. Lewis On Oct 8, 2004, at 12:08 PM, David Tisdell wrote: > Hi all, > I have been noticing that there are quite a few people > from that northeast that participate in this list (I > am somewhat sporadic) i.e. ME, Quebec, NY, NH, MA, > etc. (I am in VT). Would there be any interest in > trying to put together a regional conference on Linux > in general and K12LTSP in particular? I don't know > very many knowledgeable Linux people and usually turn > to HowTOs and ListServes for help. These are great > resources but I would like more. In my area, I am > often the guy other school IT people turn to for help. > There may be other school IT people in the area who > are as knowledgeable as I am but I just don't know > them and I have knowledge gaps (like everyone) that > need to be filled in. There are plenty of local folks > I can turn to for help with Netware, Windows, Macs, > etc. I would like to see Linux and K12LTSP grow to > that point as well. > It seems to me that if the K12LTSP IT people could > have a conference, then we could develop more personal > connections, get some questions answered in person, > have some fun and figure how how to broaden adoption > by our peers. We also might get some of the folks to > come who are considering adoption but not doing it at > present. > What are people's thoughts? > Dave > David Tisdell, Computer Coordinator > Mt. Mansfield Union High School > Jericho, VT 05465 > > > > _______________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! > http://vote.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com Mon Oct 11 16:55:51 2004 From: wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com (Wilson) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 06:55:51 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Cant get server to find floppy drive In-Reply-To: <255C98B6-1B98-11D9-8E47-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> Message-ID: <200410111655.i9BGttuY002244@ms-smtp-03-eri0.socal.rr.com> The thin client server is up and running, but for some reason I can't seem to mount the floppy drive. I tried manually adding /dev/fd0 in fstab because it wasn't there. I even tried swapping out floppy drives but nothing works. Any ideas? Below are some outputs (fstab, mtab, dmesg, chkconfig): ***Tried Mounting Floppy*** [root at server root]# mount floppy mount: can't find floppy in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab ***No Floppy in mnt*** [root at server mnt]# ls cdrom [root at server mnt]# ***/etc/fstab*** [root at server root]# cat /etc/fstab LABEL=/ / ext3 defaults 1 1 none /dev/pts devpts gid=5,mode=620 0 0 none /dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0 LABEL=/home /home ext3 defaults 1 2 none /proc proc defaults 0 0 none /sys sysfs defaults 0 0 /dev/sdc2 swap swap defaults 0 0 /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom udf,iso9660 noauto,owner,kudzu,ro 0 0 /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy auto noauto,owner,kudzu 0 0 ***/etc/mtab*** [root at server mnt]# cat /etc/mtab /dev/sdc1 / ext3 rw 0 0 none /proc proc rw 0 0 none /sys sysfs rw 0 0 none /dev/pts devpts rw,gid=5,mode=620 0 0 usbdevfs /proc/bus/usb usbdevfs rw 0 0 none /dev/shm tmpfs rw 0 0 /dev/sda1 /home ext3 rw 0 0 sunrpc /var/lib/nfs/rpc_pipefs rpc_pipefs rw 0 0 nfsd /proc/fs/nfsd nfsd rw 0 0 ***dmesg output*** [root at server mnt]# dmesg |less Linux version 2.6.8-1.521smp (bhcompile at tweety.build.redhat.com) (gcc version 3. 3.3 20040412 (Red Hat Linux 3.3.3-7)) #1 SMP Mon Aug 16 09:25:06 EDT 2004 BIOS-provided physical RAM map: BIOS-e820: 0000000000000000 - 000000000009fc00 (usable) BIOS-e820: 000000000009fc00 - 00000000000a0000 (reserved) BIOS-e820: 00000000000e0000 - 0000000000100000 (reserved) BIOS-e820: 0000000000100000 - 0000000040000000 (usable) BIOS-e820: 00000000fec00000 - 00000000fec01000 (reserved) BIOS-e820: 00000000fee00000 - 00000000fee01000 (reserved) BIOS-e820: 00000000fffc0000 - 0000000100000000 (reserved) 0MB HIGHMEM available. 1024MB LOWMEM available. ACPI: S3 and PAE do not like each other for now, S3 disabled. found SMP MP-table at 000fb4f0 On node 0 totalpages: 262144 DMA zone: 4096 pages, LIFO batch:1 Normal zone: 258048 pages, LIFO batch:16 HighMem zone: 0 pages, LIFO batch:1 DMI 2.1 present. ACPI disabled because your bios is from 99 and too old You can enable it with acpi=force Using APIC driver default Intel MultiProcessor Specification v1.4 Virtual Wire compatibility mode. OEM ID: INTEL Product ID: 440BX APIC at: 0xFEE00000 Processor #0 6:10 APIC version 17 Processor #1 6:10 APIC version 17 I/O APIC #2 Version 17 at 0xFEC00000. Enabling APIC mode: Flat. Using 1 I/O APICs Processors: 2 Built 1 zonelists Kernel command line: ro root=LABEL=/ rhgb quiet mapped 4G/4G trampoline to fffeb000. Initializing CPU#0 CPU 0 irqstacks, hard=023eb000 soft=023cb000 PID hash table entries: 4096 (order 12: 32768 bytes) Detected 701.704 MHz processor. Using tsc for high-res timesource Console: colour VGA+ 80x25 Dentry cache hash table entries: 131072 (order: 7, 524288 bytes) Inode-cache hash table entries: 131072 (order: 7, 524288 bytes) Memory: 1033604k/1048576k available (1896k kernel code, 14236k reserved, 736k da ta, 176k init, 0k highmem) Calibrating delay loop... 1384.44 BogoMIPS Security Scaffold v1.0.0 initialized SELinux: Initializing. SELinux: Starting in permissive mode There is already a security framework initialized, register_security failed. selinux_register_security: Registering secondary module capability Capability LSM initialized as secondary Mount-cache hash table entries: 512 (order: 0, 4096 bytes) CPU: After generic identify, caps: 0383fbff 00000000 00000000 00000000 CPU: After vendor identify, caps: 0383fbff 00000000 00000000 00000000 CPU: L1 I cache: 16K, L1 D cache: 16K CPU: L2 cache: 2048K CPU: After all inits, caps: 0383f3ff 00000000 00000000 00000040 Intel machine check architecture supported. Intel machine check reporting enabled on CPU#0. Enabling fast FPU save and restore... done. Enabling unmasked SIMD FPU exception support... done. Checking 'hlt' instruction... OK. CPU0: Intel Pentium III (Cascades) stepping 01 per-CPU timeslice cutoff: 5855.10 usecs. task migration cache decay timeout: 6 msecs. enabled ExtINT on CPU#0 ESR value before enabling vector: 00000004 ESR value after enabling vector: 00000000 Booting processor 1/1 eip 2000 CPU 1 irqstacks, hard=023ec000 soft=023cc000 Initializing CPU#1 masked ExtINT on CPU#1 ESR value before enabling vector: 00000000 ESR value after enabling vector: 00000000 Calibrating delay loop... 1400.83 BogoMIPS CPU: After generic identify, caps: 0383fbff 00000000 00000000 00000000 CPU: After vendor identify, caps: 0383fbff 00000000 00000000 00000000 CPU: L1 I cache: 16K, L1 D cache: 16K CPU: L2 cache: 2048K CPU: After all inits, caps: 0383f3ff 00000000 00000000 00000040 Intel machine check architecture supported. Intel machine check reporting enabled on CPU#1. CPU1: Intel Pentium III (Cascades) stepping 01 Total of 2 processors activated (2785.28 BogoMIPS). ENABLING IO-APIC IRQs Setting 2 in the phys_id_present_map ...changing IO-APIC physical APIC ID to 2 ... ok. init IO_APIC IRQs IO-APIC (apicid-pin) 2-0, 2-5, 2-9, 2-10, 2-11, 2-20, 2-21, 2-22, 2-23 not conn ected. ..TIMER: vector=0x31 pin1=2 pin2=0 number of MP IRQ sources: 17. number of IO-APIC #2 registers: 24. testing the IO APIC....................... IO APIC #2...... .... register #00: 02000000 ....... : physical APIC id: 02 ....... : Delivery Type: 0 ....... : LTS : 0 .... register #01: 00170011 ....... : max redirection entries: 0017 ....... : PRQ implemented: 0 ....... : IO APIC version: 0011 .... register #02: 00000000 ....... : arbitration: 00 .... IRQ redirection table: NR Log Phy Mask Trig IRR Pol Stat Dest Deli Vect: 00 000 00 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 00 01 001 01 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 39 02 001 01 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 31 03 001 01 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 41 04 001 01 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 49 05 000 00 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 00 06 001 01 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 51 07 001 01 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 59 08 001 01 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 61 09 000 00 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 00 0a 000 00 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 00 0b 000 00 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 00 0c 001 01 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 69 0d 001 01 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 71 0e 001 01 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 79 0f 001 01 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 81 10 001 01 1 1 0 1 0 1 1 89 11 001 01 1 1 0 1 0 1 1 91 12 001 01 1 1 0 1 0 1 1 99 13 001 01 1 1 0 1 0 1 1 A1 14 000 00 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 00 15 000 00 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 00 16 000 00 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 00 17 000 00 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 00 Using vector-based indexing IRQ to pin mappings: IRQ0 -> 0:2 IRQ1 -> 0:1 IRQ3 -> 0:3 IRQ4 -> 0:4 IRQ5 -> 0:18 IRQ6 -> 0:6 IRQ7 -> 0:7 IRQ8 -> 0:8 IRQ9 -> 0:19 IRQ10 -> 0:16 IRQ11 -> 0:17 IRQ12 -> 0:12 IRQ13 -> 0:13 IRQ14 -> 0:14 IRQ15 -> 0:15 .................................... done. Using local APIC timer interrupts. calibrating APIC timer ... ..... CPU clock speed is 701.0473 MHz. ..... host bus clock speed is 100.0210 MHz. checking TSC synchronization across 2 CPUs: passed. Brought up 2 CPUs zapping low mappings. checking if image is initramfs...it isn't (no cpio magic); looks like an initrd Freeing initrd memory: 316k freed NET: Registered protocol family 16 PCI: PCI BIOS revision 2.10 entry at 0xfdb81, last bus=1 PCI: Using configuration type 1 mtrr: v2.0 (20020519) ACPI: Subsystem revision 20040326 ACPI: Interpreter disabled. Linux Plug and Play Support v0.97 (c) Adam Belay usbcore: registered new driver usbfs usbcore: registered new driver hub PCI: Probing PCI hardware PCI: Probing PCI hardware (bus 00) vesafb: probe of vesafb0 failed with error -6 apm: BIOS version 1.2 Flags 0x03 (Driver version 1.16ac) apm: disabled - APM is not SMP safe. audit: initializing netlink socket (disabled) audit(1097355274.363:0): initialized Total HugeTLB memory allocated, 0 VFS: Disk quotas dquot_6.5.1 Dquot-cache hash table entries: 1024 (order 0, 4096 bytes) SELinux: Registering netfilter hooks Initializing Cryptographic API ksign: Installing public key data Loading keyring - Added public key 9488DB81FF525AA3 - User ID: Red Hat, Inc. (Kernel Module GPG key) ksign: invalid packet (ctb=00) Unable to load default keyring: error=74 pci_hotplug: PCI Hot Plug PCI Core version: 0.5 isapnp: Scanning for PnP cards... isapnp: No Plug & Play device found Real Time Clock Driver v1.12 Linux agpgart interface v0.100 (c) Dave Jones agpgart: Detected an Intel 440GX Chipset. agpgart: Maximum main memory to use for agp memory: 942M agpgart: AGP aperture is 64M @ 0xf8000000 Serial: 8250/16550 driver $Revision: 1.90 $ 8 ports, IRQ sharing enabled ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A ttyS1 at I/O 0x2f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A RAMDISK driver initialized: 16 RAM disks of 16384K size 1024 blocksize divert: not allocating divert_blk for non-ethernet device lo Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 7.00alpha2 ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx PIIX4: IDE controller at PCI slot 0000:00:07.1 PIIX4: chipset revision 1 PIIX4: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later ide0: BM-DMA at 0xffa0-0xffa7, BIOS settings: hda:pio, hdb:pio ide1: BM-DMA at 0xffa8-0xffaf, BIOS settings: hdc:pio, hdd:pio hda: NEC CD-ROM DRIVE:273, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive Using cfq io scheduler ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14 hda: cdrom_pc_intr: The drive appears confused (ireason = 0x01) hda: ATAPI 4X CD-ROM drive, 256kB Cache Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.20 ide-floppy driver 0.99.newide usbcore: registered new driver hiddev usbcore: registered new driver usbhid drivers/usb/input/hid-core.c: v2.0:USB HID core driver mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice serio: i8042 AUX port at 0x60,0x64 irq 12 input: PS/2 Logitech Mouse on isa0060/serio1 serio: i8042 KBD port at 0x60,0x64 irq 1 input: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard on isa0060/serio0 md: md driver 0.90.0 MAX_MD_DEVS=256, MD_SB_DISKS=27 NET: Registered protocol family 2 IP: routing cache hash table of 4096 buckets, 64Kbytes TCP: Hash tables configured (established 131072 bind 43690) Initializing IPsec netlink socket NET: Registered protocol family 1 NET: Registered protocol family 17 CPU0: online domain 0: span 00000001 groups: 00000001 domain 1: span 00000003 groups: 00000001 00000002 CPU1: online domain 0: span 00000002 groups: 00000002 domain 1: span 00000003 groups: 00000002 00000001 md: Autodetecting RAID arrays. md: autorun ... md: ... autorun DONE. RAMDISK: Compressed image found at block 0 VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem). SCSI subsystem initialized scsi0 : Adaptec AIC7XXX EISA/VLB/PCI SCSI HBA DRIVER, Rev 6.2.36 aic7880: Ultra Wide Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 16/253 SCBs Vendor: IBM Model: DGHS18U Rev: 03B0 Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 03 scsi0:A:10:0: Tagged Queuing enabled. Depth 4 SCSI device sda: 35843670 512-byte hdwr sectors (18352 MB) SCSI device sda: drive cache: write through sda: sda1 Attached scsi disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 10, lun 0 Vendor: IBM Model: DGHS18U Rev: 0350 Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 03 scsi0:A:11:0: Tagged Queuing enabled. Depth 4 SCSI device sdb: 35843670 512-byte hdwr sectors (18352 MB) SCSI device sdb: drive cache: write through sdb: sdb1 Attached scsi disk sdb at scsi0, channel 0, id 11, lun 0 Vendor: IBM Model: DCHS09U Rev: 2727 Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 scsi0:A:12:0: Tagged Queuing enabled. Depth 4 SCSI device sdc: 17774160 512-byte hdwr sectors (9100 MB) SCSI device sdc: drive cache: write back sdc: sdc1 sdc2 Attached scsi disk sdc at scsi0, channel 0, id 12, lun 0 (scsi0:A:13): 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 8, 16bit) Vendor: IBM Model: DCHS09U Rev: 2727 Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 scsi0:A:13:0: Tagged Queuing enabled. Depth 4 SCSI device sdd: 17774160 512-byte hdwr sectors (9100 MB) SCSI device sdd: drive cache: write back sdd: sdd1 Attached scsi disk sdd at scsi0, channel 0, id 13, lun 0 kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Freeing unused kernel memory: 176k freed SELinux: Disabled at runtime. SELinux: Unregistering netfilter hooks NET: Registered protocol family 10 Disabled Privacy Extensions on device 02343560(lo) IPv6 over IPv4 tunneling driver divert: not allocating divert_blk for non-ethernet device sit0 USB Universal Host Controller Interface driver v2.2 uhci_hcd 0000:00:07.2: UHCI Host Controller uhci_hcd 0000:00:07.2: irq 9, io base 0000ef80 uhci_hcd 0000:00:07.2: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 1 hub 1-0:1.0: USB hub found hub 1-0:1.0: 2 ports detected EXT3 FS on sdc1, internal journal device-mapper: 4.1.0-ioctl (2003-12-10) initialised: dm at uk.sistina.com cdrom: open failed. Adding 2047992k swap on /dev/sdc2. Priority:-1 extents:1 kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds EXT3 FS on sda1, internal journal EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. IA-32 Microcode Update Driver: v1.14 microcode: CPU1 updated from revision 0x0 to 0x1, date = 03062000 microcode: CPU0 updated from revision 0x0 to 0x1, date = 03062000 parport0: PC-style at 0x378 [PCSPP,TRISTATE] Attached scsi generic sg0 at scsi0, channel 0, id 10, lun 0, type 0 Attached scsi generic sg1 at scsi0, channel 0, id 11, lun 0, type 0 Attached scsi generic sg2 at scsi0, channel 0, id 12, lun 0, type 0 Attached scsi generic sg3 at scsi0, channel 0, id 13, lun 0, type 0 kudzu: Using deprecated /dev/sg mechanism instead of SG_IO on the actual device kudzu: Using deprecated /dev/sg mechanism instead of SG_IO on the actual device kudzu: Using deprecated /dev/sg mechanism instead of SG_IO on the actual device kudzu: Using deprecated /dev/sg mechanism instead of SG_IO on the actual device inserting floppy driver for 2.6.8-1.521smp Floppy drive(s): fd0 is 1.44M FDC 0 is a post-1991 82077 e100: Intel(R) PRO/100 Network Driver, 3.0.18 e100: Copyright(c) 1999-2004 Intel Corporation divert: allocating divert_blk for eth0 e100: eth0: e100_probe: addr 0xfc1ff000, irq 11, MAC addr 00:A0:C9:99:9C:06 divert: allocating divert_blk for eth1 e100: eth1: e100_probe: addr 0xfc1fe000, irq 5, MAC addr 00:A0:C9:B8:01:69 divert: freeing divert_blk for eth0 divert: freeing divert_blk for eth1 ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter core team ip_conntrack version 2.1 (8192 buckets, 65536 max) - 304 bytes per conntrack e100: Intel(R) PRO/100 Network Driver, 3.0.18 e100: Copyright(c) 1999-2004 Intel Corporation divert: allocating divert_blk for eth0 e100: eth0: e100_probe: addr 0xfc1ff000, irq 11, MAC addr 00:A0:C9:99:9C:06 divert: allocating divert_blk for eth1 e100: eth1: e100_probe: addr 0xfc1fe000, irq 5, MAC addr 00:A0:C9:B8:01:69 e100: eth0: e100_watchdog: link up, 100Mbps, full-duplex e100: eth1: e100_watchdog: link up, 100Mbps, full-duplex process `syslogd' is using obsolete setsockopt SO_BSDCOMPAT eth0: no IPv6 routers present eth1: no IPv6 routers present parport0: PC-style at 0x378 [PCSPP,TRISTATE] lp0: using parport0 (polling). lp0: console ready Installing knfsd (copyright (C) 1996 okir at monad.swb.de). nfsd: last server has exited nfsd: unexporting all filesystems rpciod: active tasks at shutdown?! RPC: failed to contact portmap (errno -5). (END) ***chkconfig --list*** [root at server mnt]# chkconfig --list smb 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off dc_client 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off smartd 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:off 6:off bcm5820 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off autofs 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off kudzu 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off sshd 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off gpm 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off nfs 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:off 6:off squidguard 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off cups 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off tux 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off snmpd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off httpd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off microcode_ctl 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off psacct 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off snmptrapd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off ntpd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:off 5:on 6:off rpcidmapd 0:on 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:off 5:off 6:on readahead_early 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:on 6:off apmd 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off yum 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off nfslock 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:off 6:off irda 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off rpcgssd 0:on 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:off 5:on 6:on xinetd 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off portmap 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:off 6:off acpid 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off mdmpd 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off isdn 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:off 6:off transparent-proxying 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off aep1000 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off pcmcia 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:off 6:off xfs 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off readahead 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:on 6:off dc_server 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off squid 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:on 6:off rhnsd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off nat 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off random 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off dhcpd 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off dhcrelay 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off network 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off mdmonitor 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off anacron 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off named 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off sendmail 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off crond 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off netdump 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off netfs 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off verynice.init 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off vncserver 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:on 6:off atd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off saslauthd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off rpcsvcgssd 0:on 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:off 5:off 6:on rawdevices 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off syslog 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off iptables 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off irqbalance 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off cpuspeed 0:off 1:on 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off netplugd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off lisa 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off messagebus 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off xinetd based services: time-udp: off daytime-udp: off services: off chargen: off chargen-udp: off echo-udp: off cups-lpd: off tftp: on rsync: off sgi_fam: off time: off vnc: on daytime: off ktalk: off echo: off Thanks! Wilson From microman at cmosnetworks.com Mon Oct 11 20:06:12 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 16:06:12 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] CISCO vpn client for linux In-Reply-To: <223294B7-1B90-11D9-8E47-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> References: <54B430F8-16DA-11D9-A698-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> <41633160.7050104@cmosnetworks.com> <84DC9068-17AB-11D9-B15F-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> <41649873.8090008@cmosnetworks.com> <9D310352-185B-11D9-BAD8-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> <4165BF22.3070302@cmosnetworks.com> <223294B7-1B90-11D9-8E47-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> Message-ID: <416AE7B4.3050906@cmosnetworks.com> Ah...that's unfortunate. That's not something that the VPN client can do anything about. You have to establish the VPN connection on the server, since, remember, the clients don't actually run anything besides, essentially, a kernel and an X11 server. You're right; the service provider should know these answers, since what we're really talking about here (IP connectivity) is platform-agnostic. One way to deal with these people is to say that you've got a Windows 2000 Terminal Server, and that's how "it has been decided," that connectivity to this application "will take place," if you get my meaning. You don't have to tell them *who* made the decision. :-) I've found that this bit of sleight-of-hand can get answers when "cleaner" methods don't. I would also ask them why they are limiting sessions by IP address instead of by actual authentication (user/password, certificates, etc.). How do they handle schools, like, say, my district, that use--matter of fact, *have* to use--Port Address Translation on our firewalls? Just about everybody today does this for a variety of reasons. My district couldn't function as it does without it. --TP Lewis Holcroft wrote: > Terrell, > > I was premature with my excitement. While I am able to get the VPN > Client running on my sandbox machine. I am not so fortunate with the > production machine. > > Perhaps you could answer a couple more questions I have? In my case > the vpn client connection is made by my server. Each user can then > start the "special" windows telnet client using wine. I have a problem > in the that the service they connect to only allows one session per > IP. Do you establish the vpn connection on the server, or do you > somehow establish it on a per workstation basis? If the later how is > this configured on the workstation sessions? > > I realize the folks that I am trying to connect to should know the > answers, but the word Linux gives them the heebee geebee's. Which is > much better that the "we don't support that" answer. > > Thanks is advance. > > Lewis > > > On Oct 7, 2004, at 6:11 PM, Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > >> Ted thanks you, as does Terrell. :-) >> Good to hear that it's working. FWIW, this is exactly how I've >> gotten a couple more converts to GNU/Linux, so I'm glad to see Cisco >> supporting our favorite platform. >> >> --TP...er, Ted >> >> Lewis Holcroft wrote: >> >>> Ted! Who's Ted? >>> >>> Sorry TP. It was pre coffee. >>> >>> And once again I'm very exited about getting this to work. >>> >>> Lewis >>> >>> On Oct 7, 2004, at 8:22 AM, Lewis Holcroft wrote: >>> >>>> Ted, >>>> >>>> Thank you very much. This worked like a charm. >>>> >>>> Lewis >>>> >>>> On Oct 6, 2004, at 9:14 PM, Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: >>>> >>>>> Lewis Holcroft wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm glad to know this is in use and works. >>>>>> >>>>>> I should say I am new to this process and site I am connecting >>>>>> too are all windows folks. So the learning curve is steep. >>>>>> >>>>>> I did run into a problem. I am running the vpnclient on the >>>>>> server and when it does connect the LAN gets disabled. This is a >>>>>> problem as all of the local desktops stop responding. Are folks >>>>>> using the vpnclient on the server or on workstations on the >>>>>> network? Is this a configurable option? >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm working with no documentation here. So I'm really in the dark. >>>>>> >>>>>> Lewis >>>>>> >>>>>> On Oct 5, 2004, at 7:42 PM, Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Lewis Holcroft wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have rolled out a K12LTSP 4.0 cluster of 5 servers (I could >>>>>>>> upgrade but I just got this installation working and am going >>>>>>>> to wait a while) and now that we have all the equipment in we >>>>>>>> are told that the client needs to use a $MS product. The vendor >>>>>>>> does not offer a Linux version so.... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The first step is to set up a vpn link. The vendor uses CISCO >>>>>>>> 3000 series product and has sent along a copy of the cisco vpn >>>>>>>> client version 4.6.00.0045-k9. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This requires the kernel source to install. That was fun to >>>>>>>> install. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> When I start the daemon I get messages about tainting the >>>>>>>> kernel, which concerns me. Should I be concerned? I think so. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Is anyone running this vpn client? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If so, does it work well or have problems? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Lewis >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have been using the Cisco VPN Client since v4.0.3B, up to and >>>>>>> including the 4.6 version specified above, since 4.0.3B came >>>>>>> out. Works fine, though for 2.6 kernels, experience has taught >>>>>>> me that you will need the 4.6 version for reliable operation. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have successfully done this on Red Hat Linux 9, Slackware >>>>>>> GNU/Linux 9.1 and 10.0, and SuSE Linux 9.1. "Tainted" simply >>>>>>> means that a proprietary, i. e. non-GPL kernel module is getting >>>>>>> inserted into the kernel. Doesn't affect operation, but I wish >>>>>>> Cisco would be less anally retentive about the GPL. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --TP >>>>>>> _____________________ >>>>>>> Do you GNU!? >>>>>>> Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). >>>>>>> Check it out! >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> In my .pcf file, there's a setting "EnableLocalLan". Try setting >>>>> that to 1 and let us know. >>>>> >>>>> --TP >>>>> __________________ >>>> From support at 499pc.net Mon Oct 11 20:34:17 2004 From: support at 499pc.net (Charles Hale) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 13:34:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Cant get server to find floppy drive In-Reply-To: <200410111655.i9BGttuY002244@ms-smtp-03-eri0.socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <20041011203417.83144.qmail@web107.biz.mail.yahoo.com> Wilson: Your ls command indicates that your only mount point under mnt is cdrom. You first need to create a mount point named 'floppy' as indicated in your fstab file by /mnt/floppy. Next retry the mount command: ...]mount /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy --- Wilson wrote: > The thin client server is up and running, but for > some reason I can't seem > to mount the floppy drive. I tried manually adding > /dev/fd0 in fstab because > it wasn't there. I even tried swapping out floppy > drives but nothing works. > Any ideas? Below are some outputs (fstab, mtab, > dmesg, chkconfig): > > ***Tried Mounting Floppy*** > [root at server root]# mount floppy > mount: can't find floppy in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab > > ***No Floppy in mnt*** > [root at server mnt]# ls > cdrom > [root at server mnt]# > > ***/etc/fstab*** > [root at server root]# cat /etc/fstab > LABEL=/ / ext3 > defaults 1 1 > none /dev/pts > devpts gid=5,mode=620 0 0 > none /dev/shm > tmpfs defaults 0 0 > LABEL=/home /home ext3 > defaults 1 2 > none /proc proc > defaults 0 0 > none /sys > sysfs defaults 0 0 > /dev/sdc2 swap swap > defaults 0 0 > /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom > udf,iso9660 > noauto,owner,kudzu,ro 0 0 > /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy auto > noauto,owner,kudzu 0 > 0 > > ***/etc/mtab*** > [root at server mnt]# cat /etc/mtab > /dev/sdc1 / ext3 rw 0 0 > none /proc proc rw 0 0 > none /sys sysfs rw 0 0 > none /dev/pts devpts rw,gid=5,mode=620 0 0 > usbdevfs /proc/bus/usb usbdevfs rw 0 0 > none /dev/shm tmpfs rw 0 0 > /dev/sda1 /home ext3 rw 0 0 > sunrpc /var/lib/nfs/rpc_pipefs rpc_pipefs rw 0 0 > nfsd /proc/fs/nfsd nfsd rw 0 0 > > > ***dmesg output*** > [root at server mnt]# dmesg |less > Linux version 2.6.8-1.521smp > (bhcompile at tweety.build.redhat.com) (gcc > version 3. > 3.3 20040412 (Red Hat Linux 3.3.3-7)) #1 SMP Mon Aug > 16 09:25:06 EDT 2004 > BIOS-provided physical RAM map: > BIOS-e820: 0000000000000000 - 000000000009fc00 > (usable) > BIOS-e820: 000000000009fc00 - 00000000000a0000 > (reserved) > BIOS-e820: 00000000000e0000 - 0000000000100000 > (reserved) > BIOS-e820: 0000000000100000 - 0000000040000000 > (usable) > BIOS-e820: 00000000fec00000 - 00000000fec01000 > (reserved) > BIOS-e820: 00000000fee00000 - 00000000fee01000 > (reserved) > BIOS-e820: 00000000fffc0000 - 0000000100000000 > (reserved) > 0MB HIGHMEM available. > 1024MB LOWMEM available. > ACPI: S3 and PAE do not like each other for now, S3 > disabled. > found SMP MP-table at 000fb4f0 > On node 0 totalpages: 262144 > DMA zone: 4096 pages, LIFO batch:1 > Normal zone: 258048 pages, LIFO batch:16 > HighMem zone: 0 pages, LIFO batch:1 > DMI 2.1 present. > ACPI disabled because your bios is from 99 and too > old > You can enable it with acpi=force > Using APIC driver default > Intel MultiProcessor Specification v1.4 > Virtual Wire compatibility mode. > OEM ID: INTEL Product ID: 440BX APIC at: > 0xFEE00000 > Processor #0 6:10 APIC version 17 > Processor #1 6:10 APIC version 17 > I/O APIC #2 Version 17 at 0xFEC00000. > Enabling APIC mode: Flat. Using 1 I/O APICs > Processors: 2 > Built 1 zonelists > Kernel command line: ro root=LABEL=/ rhgb quiet > mapped 4G/4G trampoline to fffeb000. > Initializing CPU#0 > CPU 0 irqstacks, hard=023eb000 soft=023cb000 > PID hash table entries: 4096 (order 12: 32768 bytes) > Detected 701.704 MHz processor. > Using tsc for high-res timesource > Console: colour VGA+ 80x25 > Dentry cache hash table entries: 131072 (order: 7, > 524288 bytes) > Inode-cache hash table entries: 131072 (order: 7, > 524288 bytes) > Memory: 1033604k/1048576k available (1896k kernel > code, 14236k reserved, > 736k da > ta, 176k init, 0k highmem) > Calibrating delay loop... 1384.44 BogoMIPS > Security Scaffold v1.0.0 initialized > SELinux: Initializing. > SELinux: Starting in permissive mode > There is already a security framework initialized, > register_security failed. > selinux_register_security: Registering secondary > module capability > Capability LSM initialized as secondary > Mount-cache hash table entries: 512 (order: 0, 4096 > bytes) > CPU: After generic identify, caps: 0383fbff 00000000 > 00000000 00000000 > CPU: After vendor identify, caps: 0383fbff 00000000 > 00000000 00000000 > CPU: L1 I cache: 16K, L1 D cache: 16K > CPU: L2 cache: 2048K > CPU: After all inits, caps: 0383f3ff 00000000 > 00000000 00000040 > Intel machine check architecture supported. > Intel machine check reporting enabled on CPU#0. > Enabling fast FPU save and restore... done. > Enabling unmasked SIMD FPU exception support... > done. > Checking 'hlt' instruction... OK. > CPU0: Intel Pentium III (Cascades) stepping 01 > per-CPU timeslice cutoff: 5855.10 usecs. > task migration cache decay timeout: 6 msecs. > enabled ExtINT on CPU#0 > ESR value before enabling vector: 00000004 > ESR value after enabling vector: 00000000 > Booting processor 1/1 eip 2000 > CPU 1 irqstacks, hard=023ec000 soft=023cc000 > Initializing CPU#1 > masked ExtINT on CPU#1 > ESR value before enabling vector: 00000000 > ESR value after enabling vector: 00000000 > Calibrating delay loop... 1400.83 BogoMIPS > CPU: After generic identify, caps: 0383fbff 00000000 > 00000000 00000000 > CPU: After vendor identify, caps: 0383fbff 00000000 > 00000000 00000000 > CPU: L1 I cache: 16K, L1 D cache: 16K > CPU: L2 cache: 2048K > CPU: After all inits, caps: 0383f3ff 00000000 > 00000000 00000040 > Intel machine check architecture supported. > Intel machine check reporting enabled on CPU#1. > CPU1: Intel Pentium III (Cascades) stepping 01 > Total of 2 processors activated (2785.28 BogoMIPS). > ENABLING IO-APIC IRQs > Setting 2 in the phys_id_present_map > ...changing IO-APIC physical APIC ID to 2 ... ok. > init IO_APIC IRQs > IO-APIC (apicid-pin) 2-0, 2-5, 2-9, 2-10, 2-11, > 2-20, 2-21, 2-22, 2-23 not > conn > ected. > ..TIMER: vector=0x31 pin1=2 pin2=0 > number of MP IRQ sources: 17. > number of IO-APIC #2 registers: 24. > testing the IO APIC....................... > IO APIC #2...... > .... register #00: 02000000 > ....... : physical APIC id: 02 > ....... : Delivery Type: 0 > ....... : LTS : 0 > .... register #01: 00170011 > ....... : max redirection entries: 0017 > ....... : PRQ implemented: 0 > ....... : IO APIC version: 0011 > .... register #02: 00000000 > ....... : arbitration: 00 > .... IRQ redirection table: > NR Log Phy Mask Trig IRR Pol Stat Dest Deli Vect: > > 00 000 00 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 00 > 01 001 01 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 39 > 02 001 01 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 31 > 03 001 01 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 41 > 04 001 01 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 49 > 05 000 00 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 00 > 06 001 01 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 51 > 07 001 01 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 59 > 08 001 01 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 61 > 09 000 00 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 00 > 0a 000 00 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 00 > 0b 000 00 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 00 > 0c 001 01 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 69 > 0d 001 01 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 71 > 0e 001 01 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 79 > 0f 001 01 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 81 > 10 001 01 1 1 0 1 0 1 1 89 > 11 001 01 1 1 0 1 0 1 1 91 > 12 001 01 1 1 0 1 0 1 1 99 > 13 001 01 1 1 0 1 0 1 1 A1 > 14 000 00 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 00 > 15 000 00 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 00 > 16 000 00 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 00 > 17 000 00 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 00 > Using vector-based indexing > IRQ to pin mappings: > IRQ0 -> 0:2 > IRQ1 -> 0:1 > IRQ3 -> 0:3 > IRQ4 -> 0:4 > IRQ5 -> 0:18 > IRQ6 -> 0:6 > IRQ7 -> 0:7 > IRQ8 -> 0:8 > IRQ9 -> 0:19 > IRQ10 -> 0:16 > IRQ11 -> 0:17 > IRQ12 -> 0:12 > IRQ13 -> 0:13 > IRQ14 -> 0:14 > IRQ15 -> 0:15 > .................................... done. > Using local APIC timer interrupts. > calibrating APIC timer ... > ..... CPU clock speed is 701.0473 MHz. > ..... host bus clock speed is 100.0210 MHz. > checking TSC synchronization across 2 CPUs: passed. > Brought up 2 CPUs > zapping low mappings. > checking if image is initramfs...it isn't (no cpio > magic); looks like an > initrd > Freeing initrd memory: 316k freed > NET: Registered protocol family 16 > PCI: PCI BIOS revision 2.10 entry at 0xfdb81, last > bus=1 > PCI: Using configuration type 1 > mtrr: v2.0 (20020519) > ACPI: Subsystem revision 20040326 > ACPI: Interpreter disabled. > Linux Plug and Play Support v0.97 (c) Adam Belay > usbcore: registered new driver usbfs > usbcore: registered new driver hub > PCI: Probing PCI hardware > PCI: Probing PCI hardware (bus 00) > vesafb: probe of vesafb0 failed with error -6 > apm: BIOS version 1.2 Flags 0x03 (Driver version > 1.16ac) > apm: disabled - APM is not SMP safe. > audit: initializing netlink socket (disabled) > audit(1097355274.363:0): initialized > Total HugeTLB memory allocated, 0 > VFS: Disk quotas dquot_6.5.1 > Dquot-cache hash table entries: 1024 (order 0, 4096 > bytes) > SELinux: Registering netfilter hooks > Initializing Cryptographic API > ksign: Installing public key data > Loading keyring > - Added public key 9488DB81FF525AA3 > - User ID: Red Hat, Inc. (Kernel Module GPG key) > ksign: invalid packet (ctb=00) > Unable to load default keyring: error=74 > pci_hotplug: PCI Hot Plug PCI Core version: 0.5 > isapnp: Scanning for PnP cards... > isapnp: No Plug & Play device found > Real Time Clock Driver v1.12 > Linux agpgart interface v0.100 (c) Dave Jones > agpgart: Detected an Intel 440GX Chipset. > agpgart: Maximum main memory to use for agp memory: > 942M > agpgart: AGP aperture is 64M @ 0xf8000000 > Serial: 8250/16550 driver $Revision: 1.90 $ 8 ports, > IRQ sharing enabled > ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A > ttyS1 at I/O 0x2f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A > RAMDISK driver initialized: 16 RAM disks of 16384K > size 1024 blocksize > divert: not allocating divert_blk for non-ethernet > device lo > Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: > 7.00alpha2 > ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; > override with idebus=xx > PIIX4: IDE controller at PCI slot 0000:00:07.1 > PIIX4: chipset revision 1 > PIIX4: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later > ide0: BM-DMA at 0xffa0-0xffa7, BIOS settings: > hda:pio, hdb:pio > ide1: BM-DMA at 0xffa8-0xffaf, BIOS settings: > hdc:pio, hdd:pio > hda: NEC CD-ROM DRIVE:273, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive > Using cfq io scheduler > ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14 > hda: cdrom_pc_intr: The drive appears confused > (ireason = 0x01) > hda: ATAPI 4X CD-ROM drive, 256kB Cache > Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.20 > ide-floppy driver 0.99.newide > usbcore: registered new driver hiddev > usbcore: registered new driver usbhid > drivers/usb/input/hid-core.c: v2.0:USB HID core > driver > mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice > serio: i8042 AUX port at 0x60,0x64 irq 12 > input: PS/2 Logitech Mouse on isa0060/serio1 > serio: i8042 KBD port at 0x60,0x64 irq 1 > input: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard on > isa0060/serio0 > md: md driver 0.90.0 MAX_MD_DEVS=256, MD_SB_DISKS=27 > NET: Registered protocol family 2 > IP: routing cache hash table of 4096 buckets, > 64Kbytes > TCP: Hash tables configured (established 131072 bind > 43690) > Initializing IPsec netlink socket > NET: Registered protocol family 1 > NET: Registered protocol family 17 > CPU0: online > domain 0: span 00000001 > groups: 00000001 > domain 1: span 00000003 > groups: 00000001 00000002 > CPU1: online > domain 0: span 00000002 > groups: 00000002 > domain 1: span 00000003 > groups: 00000002 00000001 > md: Autodetecting RAID arrays. > md: autorun ... > md: ... autorun DONE. > RAMDISK: Compressed image found at block 0 > VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem). > SCSI subsystem initialized > scsi0 : Adaptec AIC7XXX EISA/VLB/PCI SCSI HBA > DRIVER, Rev 6.2.36 > > aic7880: Ultra Wide Channel A, SCSI Id=7, > 16/253 SCBs > > Vendor: IBM Model: DGHS18U Rev: > 03B0 > Type: Direct-Access ANSI > SCSI revision: 03 > scsi0:A:10:0: Tagged Queuing enabled. Depth 4 > SCSI device sda: 35843670 512-byte hdwr sectors > (18352 MB) > SCSI device sda: drive cache: write through > sda: sda1 > Attached scsi disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 10, > lun 0 > Vendor: IBM Model: DGHS18U Rev: > 0350 > Type: Direct-Access ANSI > SCSI revision: 03 > scsi0:A:11:0: Tagged Queuing enabled. Depth 4 > SCSI device sdb: 35843670 512-byte hdwr sectors > (18352 MB) > SCSI device sdb: drive cache: write through > sdb: sdb1 > Attached scsi disk sdb at scsi0, channel 0, id 11, > lun 0 > Vendor: IBM Model: DCHS09U Rev: > 2727 > Type: Direct-Access ANSI > SCSI revision: 02 > scsi0:A:12:0: Tagged Queuing enabled. Depth 4 > SCSI device sdc: 17774160 512-byte hdwr sectors > (9100 MB) > SCSI device sdc: drive cache: write back > sdc: sdc1 sdc2 > Attached scsi disk sdc at scsi0, channel 0, id 12, > lun 0 > (scsi0:A:13): 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, > offset 8, 16bit) > Vendor: IBM Model: DCHS09U Rev: > 2727 > Type: Direct-Access ANSI > SCSI revision: 02 > scsi0:A:13:0: Tagged Queuing enabled. Depth 4 > SCSI device sdd: 17774160 512-byte hdwr sectors > (9100 MB) > SCSI device sdd: drive cache: write back > sdd: sdd1 > Attached scsi disk sdd at scsi0, channel 0, id 13, > lun 0 > kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds > EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. > Freeing unused kernel memory: 176k freed > SELinux: Disabled at runtime. > SELinux: Unregistering netfilter hooks > NET: Registered protocol family 10 > Disabled Privacy Extensions on device 02343560(lo) > IPv6 over IPv4 tunneling driver > divert: not allocating divert_blk for non-ethernet > device sit0 > USB Universal Host Controller Interface driver v2.2 > uhci_hcd 0000:00:07.2: UHCI Host Controller > uhci_hcd 0000:00:07.2: irq 9, io base 0000ef80 > uhci_hcd 0000:00:07.2: new USB bus registered, > assigned bus number 1 > hub 1-0:1.0: USB hub found > hub 1-0:1.0: 2 ports detected > EXT3 FS on sdc1, internal journal > device-mapper: 4.1.0-ioctl (2003-12-10) initialised: > dm at uk.sistina.com > cdrom: open failed. > Adding 2047992k swap on /dev/sdc2. Priority:-1 > extents:1 > kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds > EXT3 FS on sda1, internal journal > EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. > IA-32 Microcode Update Driver: v1.14 > > microcode: CPU1 updated from revision 0x0 to 0x1, > date = 03062000 > microcode: CPU0 updated from revision 0x0 to 0x1, > date = 03062000 > parport0: PC-style at 0x378 [PCSPP,TRISTATE] > Attached scsi generic sg0 at scsi0, channel 0, id > 10, lun 0, type 0 > Attached scsi generic sg1 at scsi0, channel 0, id > 11, lun 0, type 0 > Attached scsi generic sg2 at scsi0, channel 0, id > 12, lun 0, type 0 > Attached scsi generic sg3 at scsi0, channel 0, id > 13, lun 0, type 0 > kudzu: Using deprecated /dev/sg mechanism instead of > SG_IO on the actual > device > kudzu: Using deprecated /dev/sg mechanism instead of > SG_IO on the actual > device > kudzu: Using deprecated /dev/sg mechanism instead of > SG_IO on the actual > device > kudzu: Using deprecated /dev/sg mechanism instead of > SG_IO on the actual > device > inserting floppy driver for 2.6.8-1.521smp > Floppy drive(s): fd0 is 1.44M > FDC 0 is a post-1991 82077 > e100: Intel(R) PRO/100 Network Driver, 3.0.18 > e100: Copyright(c) 1999-2004 Intel Corporation > divert: allocating divert_blk for eth0 > e100: eth0: e100_probe: addr 0xfc1ff000, irq 11, MAC > addr 00:A0:C9:99:9C:06 > divert: allocating divert_blk for eth1 > e100: eth1: e100_probe: addr 0xfc1fe000, irq 5, MAC > addr 00:A0:C9:B8:01:69 > divert: freeing divert_blk for eth0 > divert: freeing divert_blk for eth1 > ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter core team > ip_conntrack version 2.1 (8192 buckets, 65536 max) - > 304 bytes per conntrack > e100: Intel(R) PRO/100 Network Driver, 3.0.18 > e100: Copyright(c) 1999-2004 Intel Corporation > divert: allocating divert_blk for eth0 > e100: eth0: e100_probe: addr 0xfc1ff000, irq 11, MAC > addr 00:A0:C9:99:9C:06 > divert: allocating divert_blk for eth1 > e100: eth1: e100_probe: addr 0xfc1fe000, irq 5, MAC > addr 00:A0:C9:B8:01:69 > e100: eth0: e100_watchdog: link up, 100Mbps, > full-duplex > e100: eth1: e100_watchdog: link up, 100Mbps, > full-duplex > process `syslogd' is using obsolete setsockopt > SO_BSDCOMPAT > eth0: no IPv6 routers present > eth1: no IPv6 routers present > parport0: PC-style at 0x378 [PCSPP,TRISTATE] > lp0: using parport0 (polling). > lp0: console ready > Installing knfsd (copyright (C) 1996 > okir at monad.swb.de). > nfsd: last server has exited > nfsd: unexporting all filesystems > rpciod: active tasks at shutdown?! > RPC: failed to contact portmap (errno -5). > (END) > > > ***chkconfig --list*** > [root at server mnt]# chkconfig --list > smb 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off > 4:off 5:off 6:off > dc_client 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off > 4:off 5:off 6:off > smartd 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on > 5:off 6:off > bcm5820 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off > 4:off 5:off 6:off > autofs 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on > 5:on 6:off > kudzu 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on > 5:on 6:off > sshd 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on > 5:on 6:off > gpm 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on > 5:on 6:off > nfs 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on > 5:off 6:off > squidguard 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off > 4:off 5:off 6:off > cups 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on > 5:on 6:off > tux 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off > 4:off 5:off 6:off > snmpd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off > 4:off 5:off 6:off > httpd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off > 4:off 5:off 6:off > microcode_ctl 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on > 5:on 6:off > psacct 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off > 4:off 5:off 6:off > snmptrapd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off > 4:off 5:off 6:off > ntpd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on > 4:off 5:on 6:off > rpcidmapd 0:on 1:off 2:off 3:on > 4:off 5:off 6:on > readahead_early 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off > 4:off 5:on 6:off > apmd 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on > 5:on 6:off > yum 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off > 4:off 5:off 6:off > nfslock 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on > 5:off 6:off > irda 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off > 4:off 5:off 6:off > rpcgssd 0:on 1:off 2:off 3:on > 4:off 5:on 6:on > xinetd 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on > 5:on 6:off > portmap 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on > 5:off 6:off > acpid 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on > 5:on 6:off > mdmpd 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on > 5:on 6:off > isdn 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on > 5:off 6:off > transparent-proxying 0:off 1:off 2:off > 3:off 4:off 5:off > 6:off > aep1000 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off > 4:off 5:off 6:off > pcmcia 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on > 5:off 6:off > xfs 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on > 5:on 6:off > readahead 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off > 4:off 5:on 6:off > dc_server 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off > 4:off 5:off 6:off > squid 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off > 4:off 5:on 6:off > rhnsd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on > 5:on 6:off > nat 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on > 5:on 6:off > random 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on > 5:on 6:off > dhcpd 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on > 5:on 6:off > dhcrelay 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off > 4:off 5:off 6:off > network 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on > 5:on 6:off > mdmonitor 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on > 5:on 6:off > anacron 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on > 5:on 6:off > named 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on > 5:on 6:off > sendmail 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on > 5:on 6:off > crond 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on > 5:on 6:off > netdump 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off > 4:off 5:off 6:off > netfs 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on > 5:on 6:off > verynice.init 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on > 5:on 6:off > vncserver 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off > 4:off 5:on 6:off > atd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on > 5:on 6:off > saslauthd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off > 4:off 5:off 6:off > rpcsvcgssd 0:on 1:off 2:off 3:on > 4:off 5:off 6:on > rawdevices 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on > 5:on 6:off > syslog 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on > 5:on 6:off > iptables 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on > 5:on 6:off > irqbalance 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on > 5:on 6:off > cpuspeed 0:off 1:on 2:on 3:on 4:on > 5:on 6:off > netplugd 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off > 4:off 5:off 6:off > lisa 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off > 4:off 5:off 6:off > messagebus 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:on 4:on > 5:on 6:off > xinetd based services: > time-udp: off > daytime-udp: off > services: off > chargen: off > chargen-udp: off > echo-udp: off > cups-lpd: off > tftp: on > rsync: off > sgi_fam: off > time: off > vnc: on > daytime: off > ktalk: off > echo: off > > Thanks! > > Wilson > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com Mon Oct 11 20:50:08 2004 From: wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com (Wilson Chan) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 10:50:08 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Cant get server to find floppy drive Message-ID: > Wilson: > > Your ls command indicates that your only mount point > under mnt is cdrom. You first need to create a mount > point named 'floppy' as indicated in your fstab file > by /mnt/floppy. > > Next retry the mount command: > > ...]mount /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy > Just tried the command but it didnt work. Output below: [root at server mnt]# mount /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy /dev/fd0: Invalid argument mount: you must specify the filesystem type [root at server mnt]# > > > > > --- Wilson wrote: > > > The thin client server is up and running, but for > > some reason I can't seem > > to mount the floppy drive. I tried manually adding > > /dev/fd0 in fstab because > > it wasn't there. I even tried swapping out floppy > > drives but nothing works. > > Any ideas? Below are some outputs (fstab, mtab, > > dmesg, chkconfig): > > > > ***Tried Mounting Floppy*** > > [root at server root]# mount floppy > > mount: can't find floppy in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab > > > > ***No Floppy in mnt*** > > [root at server mnt]# ls > > cdrom > > [root at server mnt]# > > > > ***/etc/fstab*** > > [root at server root]# cat /etc/fstab > > LABEL=/ / ext3 > > defaults 1 1 > > none /dev/pts > > devpts gid=5,mode=620 0 0 > > none /dev/shm > > tmpfs defaults 0 0 > > LABEL=/home /home ext3 > > defaults 1 2 > > none /proc proc > > defaults 0 0 > > none /sys > > sysfs defaults 0 0 > > /dev/sdc2 swap swap > > defaults 0 0 > > /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom > > udf,iso9660 > > noauto,owner,kudzu,ro 0 0 > > /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy auto > > noauto,owner,kudzu 0 > > 0 > > > > ***/etc/mtab*** > > [root at server mnt]# cat /etc/mtab > > /dev/sdc1 / ext3 rw 0 0 > > none /proc proc rw 0 0 > > none /sys sysfs rw 0 0 > > none /dev/pts devpts rw,gid=5,mode=620 0 0 > > usbdevfs /proc/bus/usb usbdevfs rw 0 0 > > none /dev/shm tmpfs rw 0 0 > > /dev/sda1 /home ext3 rw 0 0 > > sunrpc /var/lib/nfs/rpc_pipefs rpc_pipefs rw 0 0 > > nfsd /proc/fs/nfsd nfsd rw 0 0 > > > > > > ***dmesg output*** > > [root at server mnt]# dmesg |less > > Linux version 2.6.8-1.521smp > > (bhcompile at tweety.build.redhat.com) (gcc > > version 3. > > 3.3 20040412 (Red Hat Linux 3.3.3-7)) #1 SMP Mon Aug > > 16 09:25:06 EDT 2004 > > BIOS-provided physical RAM map: > > BIOS-e820: 0000000000000000 - 000000000009fc00 > > (usable) > > BIOS-e820: 000000000009fc00 - 00000000000a0000 > > (reserved) > > BIOS-e820: 00000000000e0000 - 0000000000100000 > > (reserved) > > BIOS-e820: 0000000000100000 - 0000000040000000 > > (usable) > > BIOS-e820: 00000000fec00000 - 00000000fec01000 > > (reserved) > > BIOS-e820: 00000000fee00000 - 00000000fee01000 > > (reserved) > > BIOS-e820: 00000000fffc0000 - 0000000100000000 > > (reserved) > > 0MB HIGHMEM available. > > 1024MB LOWMEM available. > > ACPI: S3 and PAE do not like each other for now, S3 > > disabled. > > found SMP MP-table at 000fb4f0 > > On node 0 totalpages: 262144 > > DMA zone: 4096 pages, LIFO batch:1 > > Normal zone: 258048 pages, LIFO batch:16 > > HighMem zone: 0 pages, LIFO batch:1 > > DMI 2.1 present. > > ACPI disabled because your bios is from 99 and too > > old > > You can enable it with acpi=force > > Using APIC driver default > > Intel MultiProcessor Specification v1.4 > > Virtual Wire compatibility mode. > > OEM ID: INTEL Product ID: 440BX APIC at: > > 0xFEE00000 > > Processor #0 6:10 APIC version 17 > > Processor #1 6:10 APIC version 17 > > I/O APIC #2 Version 17 at 0xFEC00000. > > Enabling APIC mode: Flat. Using 1 I/O APICs > > Processors: 2 > > Built 1 zonelists > > Kernel command line: ro root=LABEL=/ rhgb quiet > > mapped 4G/4G trampoline to fffeb000. > > Initializing CPU#0 > > CPU 0 irqstacks, hard=023eb000 soft=023cb000 > > PID hash table entries: 4096 (order 12: 32768 bytes) > > Detected 701.704 MHz processor. > > Using tsc for high-res timesource > > Console: colour VGA+ 80x25 > > Dentry cache hash table entries: 131072 (order: 7, > > 524288 bytes) > > Inode-cache hash table entries: 131072 (order: 7, > > 524288 bytes) > > Memory: 1033604k/1048576k available (1896k kernel > > code, 14236k reserved, > > 736k da > > ta, 176k init, 0k highmem) > > Calibrating delay loop... 1384.44 BogoMIPS > > Security Scaffold v1.0.0 initialized > > SELinux: Initializing. > > SELinux: Starting in permissive mode > > There is already a security framework initialized, > > register_security failed. > > selinux_register_security: Registering secondary > > module capability > > Capability LSM initialized as secondary > > Mount-cache hash table entries: 512 (order: 0, 4096 > > bytes) > > CPU: After generic identify, caps: 0383fbff 00000000 > > 00000000 00000000 > > CPU: After vendor identify, caps: 0383fbff 00000000 > > 00000000 00000000 > > CPU: L1 I cache: 16K, L1 D cache: 16K > > CPU: L2 cache: 2048K > > CPU: After all inits, caps: 0383f3ff 00000000 > > 00000000 00000040 > > Intel machine check architecture supported. > > Intel machine check reporting enabled on CPU#0. > > Enabling fast FPU save and restore... done. > > Enabling unmasked SIMD FPU exception support... > > done. > > Checking 'hlt' instruction... OK. > > CPU0: Intel Pentium III (Cascades) stepping 01 > > per-CPU timeslice cutoff: 5855.10 usecs. > > task migration cache decay timeout: 6 msecs. > > enabled ExtINT on CPU#0 > > ESR value before enabling vector: 00000004 > > ESR value after enabling vector: 00000000 > > Booting processor 1/1 eip 2000 > > CPU 1 irqstacks, hard=023ec000 soft=023cc000 > > Initializing CPU#1 > > masked ExtINT on CPU#1 > > ESR value before enabling vector: 00000000 > > ESR value after enabling vector: 00000000 > > Calibrating delay loop... 1400.83 BogoMIPS > > CPU: After generic identify, caps: 0383fbff 00000000 > > 00000000 00000000 > > CPU: After vendor identify, caps: 0383fbff 00000000 > > 00000000 00000000 > > CPU: L1 I cache: 16K, L1 D cache: 16K > > CPU: L2 cache: 2048K > > CPU: After all inits, caps: 0383f3ff 00000000 > > 00000000 00000040 > > Intel machine check architecture supported. > > Intel machine check reporting enabled on CPU#1. > > CPU1: Intel Pentium III (Cascades) stepping 01 > > Total of 2 processors activated (2785.28 BogoMIPS). > > ENABLING IO-APIC IRQs > > Setting 2 in the phys_id_present_map > > ...changing IO-APIC physical APIC ID to 2 ... ok. > > init IO_APIC IRQs > > IO-APIC (apicid-pin) 2-0, 2-5, 2-9, 2-10, 2-11, > > 2-20, 2-21, 2-22, 2-23 not > > conn > > ected. > > ..TIMER: vector=0x31 pin1=2 pin2=0 > > number of MP IRQ sources: 17. > > number of IO-APIC #2 registers: 24. > > testing the IO APIC....................... > > IO APIC #2...... > > .... register #00: 02000000 > > ....... : physical APIC id: 02 > > ....... : Delivery Type: 0 > > ....... : LTS : 0 > > .... register #01: 00170011 > > ....... : max redirection entries: 0017 > > ....... : PRQ implemented: 0 > > ....... : IO APIC version: 0011 > > .... register #02: 00000000 > > ....... : arbitration: 00 > > .... IRQ redirection table: > > NR Log Phy Mask Trig IRR Pol Stat Dest Deli Vect: > > > > 00 000 00 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 00 > > 01 001 01 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 39 > > 02 001 01 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 31 > > 03 001 01 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 41 > > 04 001 01 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 49 > > 05 000 00 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 00 > > 06 001 01 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 51 > > 07 001 01 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 59 > > 08 001 01 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 61 > > 09 000 00 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 00 > > 0a 000 00 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 00 > > 0b 000 00 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 00 > > 0c 001 01 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 69 > > 0d 001 01 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 71 > > 0e 001 01 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 79 > > 0f 001 01 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 81 > > 10 001 01 1 1 0 1 0 1 1 89 > > 11 001 01 1 1 0 1 0 1 1 91 > > 12 001 01 1 1 0 1 0 1 1 99 > > 13 001 01 1 1 0 1 0 1 1 A1 > > 14 000 00 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 00 > > 15 000 00 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 00 > > 16 000 00 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 00 > > 17 000 00 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 00 > > Using vector-based indexing > > IRQ to pin mappings: > > IRQ0 -> 0:2 > > IRQ1 -> 0:1 > > IRQ3 -> 0:3 > > IRQ4 -> 0:4 > > IRQ5 -> 0:18 > > IRQ6 -> 0:6 > > IRQ7 -> 0:7 > > IRQ8 -> 0:8 > > IRQ9 -> 0:19 > > IRQ10 -> 0:16 > > IRQ11 -> 0:17 > > IRQ12 -> 0:12 > > IRQ13 -> 0:13 > > IRQ14 -> 0:14 > > IRQ15 -> 0:15 > > .................................... done. > > Using local APIC timer interrupts. > > calibrating APIC timer ... > > ..... CPU clock speed is 701.0473 MHz. > > ..... host bus clock speed is 100.0210 MHz. > > checking TSC synchronization across 2 CPUs: passed. > > Brought up 2 CPUs > > zapping low mappings. > > checking if image is initramfs...it isn't (no cpio > > magic); looks like an > > initrd > > Freeing initrd memory: 316k freed > > NET: Registered protocol family 16 > > PCI: PCI BIOS revision 2.10 entry at 0xfdb81, last > > bus=1 > > PCI: Using configuration type 1 > > mtrr: v2.0 (20020519) > > ACPI: Subsystem revision 20040326 > > ACPI: Interpreter disabled. > > Linux Plug and Play Support v0.97 (c) Adam Belay > > usbcore: registered new driver usbfs > > usbcore: registered new driver hub > > PCI: Probing PCI hardware > > PCI: Probing PCI hardware (bus 00) > > vesafb: probe of vesafb0 failed with error -6 > > apm: BIOS version 1.2 Flags 0x03 (Driver version > > 1.16ac) > > apm: disabled - APM is not SMP safe. > > audit: initializing netlink socket (disabled) > > audit(1097355274.363:0): initialized > > Total HugeTLB memory allocated, 0 > > VFS: Disk quotas dquot_6.5.1 > > Dquot-cache hash table entries: 1024 (order 0, 4096 > > bytes) > > SELinux: Registering netfilter hooks > > Initializing Cryptographic API > > ksign: Installing public key data > > Loading keyring > > - Added public key 9488DB81FF525AA3 > > - User ID: Red Hat, Inc. (Kernel Module GPG key) > > ksign: invalid packet (ctb=00) > > Unable to load default keyring: error=74 > > pci_hotplug: PCI Hot Plug PCI Core version: 0.5 > > isapnp: Scanning for PnP cards... > > isapnp: No Plug & Play device found > > Real Time Clock Driver v1.12 > > Linux agpgart interface v0.100 (c) Dave Jones > > agpgart: Detected an Intel 440GX Chipset. > > agpgart: Maximum main memory to use for agp memory: > > 942M > > agpgart: AGP aperture is 64M @ 0xf8000000 > > Serial: 8250/16550 driver $Revision: 1.90 $ 8 ports, > > IRQ sharing enabled > > ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A > > ttyS1 at I/O 0x2f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A > > RAMDISK driver initialized: 16 RAM disks of 16384K > > size 1024 blocksize > > divert: not allocating divert_blk for non-ethernet > > device lo > > Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: > > 7.00alpha2 > > ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; > > override with idebus=xx > > PIIX4: IDE controller at PCI slot 0000:00:07.1 > > PIIX4: chipset revision 1 > > PIIX4: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later > > ide0: BM-DMA at 0xffa0-0xffa7, BIOS settings: > > hda:pio, hdb:pio > > ide1: BM-DMA at 0xffa8-0xffaf, BIOS settings: > > hdc:pio, hdd:pio > > hda: NEC CD-ROM DRIVE:273, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive > > Using cfq io scheduler > > ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14 > > hda: cdrom_pc_intr: The drive appears confused > > (ireason = 0x01) > > hda: ATAPI 4X CD-ROM drive, 256kB Cache > > Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.20 > > ide-floppy driver 0.99.newide > > usbcore: registered new driver hiddev > > usbcore: registered new driver usbhid > > drivers/usb/input/hid-core.c: v2.0:USB HID core > > driver > > mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice > > serio: i8042 AUX port at 0x60,0x64 irq 12 > > input: PS/2 Logitech Mouse on isa0060/serio1 > > serio: i8042 KBD port at 0x60,0x64 irq 1 > > input: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard on > > isa0060/serio0 > > md: md driver 0.90.0 MAX_MD_DEVS=256, MD_SB_DISKS=27 > > NET: Registered protocol family 2 > > IP: routing cache hash table of 4096 buckets, > > 64Kbytes > > TCP: Hash tables configured (established 131072 bind > > 43690) > > Initializing IPsec netlink socket > > NET: Registered protocol family 1 > > NET: Registered protocol family 17 > > CPU0: online > > domain 0: span 00000001 > > groups: 00000001 > > domain 1: span 00000003 > > groups: 00000001 00000002 > > CPU1: online > > domain 0: span 00000002 > > groups: 00000002 > > domain 1: span 00000003 > > groups: 00000002 00000001 > > md: Autodetecting RAID arrays. > > md: autorun ... > > md: ... autorun DONE. > > RAMDISK: Compressed image found at block 0 > > VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem). > > SCSI subsystem initialized > > scsi0 : Adaptec AIC7XXX EISA/VLB/PCI SCSI HBA > > DRIVER, Rev 6.2.36 > > > > aic7880: Ultra Wide Channel A, SCSI Id=7, > > 16/253 SCBs > > > > Vendor: IBM Model: DGHS18U Rev: > > 03B0 > > Type: Direct-Access ANSI > > SCSI revision: 03 > > scsi0:A:10:0: Tagged Queuing enabled. Depth 4 > > SCSI device sda: 35843670 512-byte hdwr sectors > > (18352 MB) > > SCSI device sda: drive cache: write through > > sda: sda1 > > Attached scsi disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 10, > > lun 0 > > Vendor: IBM Model: DGHS18U Rev: > > 0350 > > Type: Direct-Access ANSI > > SCSI revision: 03 > > scsi0:A:11:0: Tagged Queuing enabled. Depth 4 > > SCSI device sdb: 35843670 512-byte hdwr sectors > > (18352 MB) > > SCSI device sdb: drive cache: write through > > sdb: sdb1 > > Attached scsi disk sdb at scsi0, channel 0, id 11, > > lun 0 > > Vendor: IBM Model: DCHS09U Rev: > > 2727 > > Type: Direct-Access ANSI > > SCSI revision: 02 > > scsi0:A:12:0: Tagged Queuing enabled. Depth 4 > > SCSI device sdc: 17774160 512-byte hdwr sectors > > (9100 MB) > > SCSI device sdc: drive cache: write back > > sdc: sdc1 sdc2 > > Attached scsi disk sdc at scsi0, channel 0, id 12, > > lun 0 > > (scsi0:A:13): 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, > > offset 8, 16bit) > > Vendor: IBM Model: DCHS09U Rev: > > 2727 > > Type: Direct-Access ANSI > > SCSI revision: 02 > > scsi0:A:13:0: Tagged Queuing enabled. Depth 4 > > SCSI device sdd: 17774160 512-byte hdwr sectors > > (9100 MB) > > SCSI device sdd: drive cache: write back > > sdd: sdd1 > > Attached scsi disk sdd at scsi0, channel 0, id 13, > > lun 0 > > kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds > > EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. > > Freeing unused kernel memory: 176k freed > > SELinux: Disabled at runtime. > > SELinux: Unregistering netfilter hooks > > NET: Registered protocol family 10 > > Disabled Privacy Extensions on device 02343560(lo) > > IPv6 over IPv4 tunneling driver > > divert: not allocating divert_blk for non-ethernet > > device sit0 > > USB Universal Host Controller Interface driver v2.2 > > uhci_hcd 0000:00:07.2: UHCI Host Controller > > uhci_hcd 0000:00:07.2: irq 9, io base 0000ef80 > > uhci_hcd 0000:00:07.2: new USB bus registered, > > assigned bus number 1 > > hub 1-0:1.0: USB hub found > > hub 1-0:1.0: 2 ports detected > > EXT3 FS on sdc1, internal journal > > device-mapper: 4.1.0-ioctl (2003-12-10) initialised: > > dm at uk.sistina.com > > cdrom: open failed. > > Adding 2047992k swap on /dev/sdc2. From microman at cmosnetworks.com Mon Oct 11 20:52:26 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?UTF-8?B?IlRlcnJlbGwgUHJ1ZMOpLCBKci4i?=) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 16:52:26 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Cant get server to find floppy drive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <416AF28A.3040504@cmosnetworks.com> Wilson Chan wrote: >>Wilson: >> >>Your ls command indicates that your only mount point >>under mnt is cdrom. You first need to create a mount >>point named 'floppy' as indicated in your fstab file >>by /mnt/floppy. >> >>Next retry the mount command: >> >>...]mount /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy >> >> >> >Just tried the command but it didnt work. Output below: > >[root at server mnt]# mount /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy >/dev/fd0: Invalid argument >mount: you must specify the filesystem type >[root at server mnt]# > > Add this: -t vfat to the above command. Your command now should look like this: mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy Let us know! --TP From lewis at pcc.com Mon Oct 11 21:15:04 2004 From: lewis at pcc.com (Lewis Holcroft) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 17:15:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] CISCO vpn client for linux In-Reply-To: <416AE7B4.3050906@cmosnetworks.com> References: <54B430F8-16DA-11D9-A698-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> <41633160.7050104@cmosnetworks.com> <84DC9068-17AB-11D9-B15F-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> <41649873.8090008@cmosnetworks.com> <9D310352-185B-11D9-BAD8-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> <4165BF22.3070302@cmosnetworks.com> <223294B7-1B90-11D9-8E47-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> <416AE7B4.3050906@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <9E772646-1BCA-11D9-9F40-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> Terrell, I'll try the Terminal Server approach. The fact is I'm not using K12LTSP in a school environment. I'm using it in an office environment. I choose K12LTSP because the the adults act like third graders. Not to insult third graders. Many of the things my client wanted to accomplish were already proven in the K12 setup, so it seamed like a good choice. In fact I'm very happy with making that choice. The connection is to a hospital. Federal Law (HIPAA) imposes mandates in this arena. I'll go back to the vendor and have them work on the problem from a Windows 2000 Terminal Server perspective. Thanks again Lewis On Oct 11, 2004, at 4:06 PM, Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > Ah...that's unfortunate. That's not something that the VPN client can > do anything about. You have to establish the VPN connection on the > server, since, remember, the clients don't actually run anything > besides, essentially, a kernel and an X11 server. > > You're right; the service provider should know these answers, since > what we're really talking about here (IP connectivity) is > platform-agnostic. One way to deal with these people is to say that > you've got a Windows 2000 Terminal Server, and that's how "it has been > decided," that connectivity to this application "will take place," if > you get my meaning. You don't have to tell them *who* made the > decision. :-) I've found that this bit of sleight-of-hand can get > answers when "cleaner" methods don't. > > I would also ask them why they are limiting sessions by IP address > instead of by actual authentication (user/password, certificates, > etc.). How do they handle schools, like, say, my district, that > use--matter of fact, *have* to use--Port Address Translation on our > firewalls? Just about everybody today does this for a variety of > reasons. My district couldn't function as it does without it. > > --TP > > Lewis Holcroft wrote: > >> Terrell, >> >> I was premature with my excitement. While I am able to get the VPN >> Client running on my sandbox machine. I am not so fortunate with the >> production machine. >> >> Perhaps you could answer a couple more questions I have? In my case >> the vpn client connection is made by my server. Each user can then >> start the "special" windows telnet client using wine. I have a >> problem in the that the service they connect to only allows one >> session per IP. Do you establish the vpn connection on the server, or >> do you somehow establish it on a per workstation basis? If the later >> how is this configured on the workstation sessions? >> >> I realize the folks that I am trying to connect to should know the >> answers, but the word Linux gives them the heebee geebee's. Which is >> much better that the "we don't support that" answer. >> >> Thanks is advance. >> >> Lewis >> >> >> On Oct 7, 2004, at 6:11 PM, Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: >> >>> Ted thanks you, as does Terrell. :-) >>> Good to hear that it's working. FWIW, this is exactly how I've >>> gotten a couple more converts to GNU/Linux, so I'm glad to see Cisco >>> supporting our favorite platform. >>> >>> --TP...er, Ted >>> >>> Lewis Holcroft wrote: >>> >>>> Ted! Who's Ted? >>>> >>>> Sorry TP. It was pre coffee. >>>> >>>> And once again I'm very exited about getting this to work. >>>> >>>> Lewis >>>> >>>> On Oct 7, 2004, at 8:22 AM, Lewis Holcroft wrote: >>>> >>>>> Ted, >>>>> >>>>> Thank you very much. This worked like a charm. >>>>> >>>>> Lewis >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 6, 2004, at 9:14 PM, Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Lewis Holcroft wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm glad to know this is in use and works. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I should say I am new to this process and site I am connecting >>>>>>> too are all windows folks. So the learning curve is steep. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I did run into a problem. I am running the vpnclient on the >>>>>>> server and when it does connect the LAN gets disabled. This is a >>>>>>> problem as all of the local desktops stop responding. Are folks >>>>>>> using the vpnclient on the server or on workstations on the >>>>>>> network? Is this a configurable option? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm working with no documentation here. So I'm really in the >>>>>>> dark. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Lewis >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Oct 5, 2004, at 7:42 PM, Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Lewis Holcroft wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have rolled out a K12LTSP 4.0 cluster of 5 servers (I could >>>>>>>>> upgrade but I just got this installation working and am going >>>>>>>>> to wait a while) and now that we have all the equipment in we >>>>>>>>> are told that the client needs to use a $MS product. The >>>>>>>>> vendor does not offer a Linux version so.... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The first step is to set up a vpn link. The vendor uses CISCO >>>>>>>>> 3000 series product and has sent along a copy of the cisco vpn >>>>>>>>> client version 4.6.00.0045-k9. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This requires the kernel source to install. That was fun to >>>>>>>>> install. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> When I start the daemon I get messages about tainting the >>>>>>>>> kernel, which concerns me. Should I be concerned? I think so. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Is anyone running this vpn client? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If so, does it work well or have problems? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Lewis >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have been using the Cisco VPN Client since v4.0.3B, up to and >>>>>>>> including the 4.6 version specified above, since 4.0.3B came >>>>>>>> out. Works fine, though for 2.6 kernels, experience has taught >>>>>>>> me that you will need the 4.6 version for reliable operation. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have successfully done this on Red Hat Linux 9, Slackware >>>>>>>> GNU/Linux 9.1 and 10.0, and SuSE Linux 9.1. "Tainted" simply >>>>>>>> means that a proprietary, i. e. non-GPL kernel module is >>>>>>>> getting inserted into the kernel. Doesn't affect operation, >>>>>>>> but I wish Cisco would be less anally retentive about the GPL. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> --TP >>>>>>>> _____________________ >>>>>>>> Do you GNU!? >>>>>>>> Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). >>>>>>>> Check it out! >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> In my .pcf file, there's a setting "EnableLocalLan". Try setting >>>>>> that to 1 and let us know. >>>>>> >>>>>> --TP >>>>>> __________________ >>>>> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------- The instructions said to use Windows 98 or better.... So I installed Linux. From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Oct 11 22:41:47 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 18:41:47 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] North Eastern Conference Possibility In-Reply-To: <20041008160848.90434.qmail@web41907.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041008160848.90434.qmail@web41907.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: the Linux Summer Conference that I spoke of earlier is exactly what you're describing. We had many folks from Maine, NH, and MA....as well as some from Toronto, and Vancouver. We cover many topics and you can attend whatever session you like....this past year it was a three day event, but if the interest is there we may be able to extend that. We also had some really cool mini-sessions in the evening covering things like security, multi-media...etc. I will be meeting with Derek on the first weekend in November...we'll nail down a date then and let you all know....plan on the last week in June....that seemed to work very well last year. I'll keep ya'll posted. (PS...it's a fantastic networking opportunity....I've learned a lot just from talking to folks from other parts of the Northeast) "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, October 8, 2004 at 12:08 PM +0000 wrote: >Hi all, >I have been noticing that there are quite a few people >from that northeast that participate in this list (I >am somewhat sporadic) i.e. ME, Quebec, NY, NH, MA, >etc. (I am in VT). Would there be any interest in >trying to put together a regional conference on Linux >in general and K12LTSP in particular? I don't know >very many knowledgeable Linux people and usually turn >to HowTOs and ListServes for help. These are great >resources but I would like more. In my area, I am >often the guy other school IT people turn to for help. >There may be other school IT people in the area who >are as knowledgeable as I am but I just don't know >them and I have knowledge gaps (like everyone) that >need to be filled in. There are plenty of local folks >I can turn to for help with Netware, Windows, Macs, >etc. I would like to see Linux and K12LTSP grow to >that point as well. >It seems to me that if the K12LTSP IT people could >have a conference, then we could develop more personal >connections, get some questions answered in person, >have some fun and figure how how to broaden adoption >by our peers. We also might get some of the folks to >come who are considering adoption but not doing it at >present. >What are people's thoughts? >Dave >David Tisdell, Computer Coordinator >Mt. Mansfield Union High School >Jericho, VT 05465 David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Oct 11 22:41:47 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 18:41:47 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] North Eastern Conference Possibility In-Reply-To: <20041008160848.90434.qmail@web41907.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041008160848.90434.qmail@web41907.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: the Linux Summer Conference that I spoke of earlier is exactly what you're describing. We had many folks from Maine, NH, and MA....as well as some from Toronto, and Vancouver. We cover many topics and you can attend whatever session you like....this past year it was a three day event, but if the interest is there we may be able to extend that. We also had some really cool mini-sessions in the evening covering things like security, multi-media...etc. I will be meeting with Derek on the first weekend in November...we'll nail down a date then and let you all know....plan on the last week in June....that seemed to work very well last year. I'll keep ya'll posted. (PS...it's a fantastic networking opportunity....I've learned a lot just from talking to folks from other parts of the Northeast) "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, October 8, 2004 at 12:08 PM +0000 wrote: >Hi all, >I have been noticing that there are quite a few people >from that northeast that participate in this list (I >am somewhat sporadic) i.e. ME, Quebec, NY, NH, MA, >etc. (I am in VT). Would there be any interest in >trying to put together a regional conference on Linux >in general and K12LTSP in particular? I don't know >very many knowledgeable Linux people and usually turn >to HowTOs and ListServes for help. These are great >resources but I would like more. In my area, I am >often the guy other school IT people turn to for help. >There may be other school IT people in the area who >are as knowledgeable as I am but I just don't know >them and I have knowledge gaps (like everyone) that >need to be filled in. There are plenty of local folks >I can turn to for help with Netware, Windows, Macs, >etc. I would like to see Linux and K12LTSP grow to >that point as well. >It seems to me that if the K12LTSP IT people could >have a conference, then we could develop more personal >connections, get some questions answered in person, >have some fun and figure how how to broaden adoption >by our peers. We also might get some of the folks to >come who are considering adoption but not doing it at >present. >What are people's thoughts? >Dave >David Tisdell, Computer Coordinator >Mt. Mansfield Union High School >Jericho, VT 05465 David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From microman at cmosnetworks.com Mon Oct 11 22:40:09 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 18:40:09 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] CISCO vpn client for linux In-Reply-To: <9E772646-1BCA-11D9-9F40-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> References: <54B430F8-16DA-11D9-A698-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> <41633160.7050104@cmosnetworks.com> <84DC9068-17AB-11D9-B15F-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> <41649873.8090008@cmosnetworks.com> <9D310352-185B-11D9-BAD8-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> <4165BF22.3070302@cmosnetworks.com> <223294B7-1B90-11D9-8E47-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> <416AE7B4.3050906@cmosnetworks.com> <9E772646-1BCA-11D9-9F40-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> Message-ID: <416B0BC9.2080501@cmosnetworks.com> If you're dealing w/ hospital-type info, then there's *really* a case for PAT'ed addresses in your environment. And I've got a lawyer using K12LTSP in his office. Works great. Do let us know how this turns out! You've got at least me curious. --TP Lewis Holcroft wrote: > Terrell, > > I'll try the Terminal Server approach. The fact is I'm not using > K12LTSP in a school environment. I'm using it in an office > environment. I choose K12LTSP because the the adults act like third > graders. Not to insult third graders. Many of the things my client > wanted to accomplish were already proven in the K12 setup, so it > seamed like a good choice. In fact I'm very happy with making that > choice. > > The connection is to a hospital. Federal Law (HIPAA) imposes mandates > in this arena. I'll go back to the vendor and have them work on the > problem from a Windows 2000 Terminal Server perspective. > > Thanks again > > Lewis > > On Oct 11, 2004, at 4:06 PM, Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > >> Ah...that's unfortunate. That's not something that the VPN client >> can do anything about. You have to establish the VPN connection on >> the server, since, remember, the clients don't actually run anything >> besides, essentially, a kernel and an X11 server. >> >> You're right; the service provider should know these answers, since >> what we're really talking about here (IP connectivity) is >> platform-agnostic. One way to deal with these people is to say that >> you've got a Windows 2000 Terminal Server, and that's how "it has >> been decided," that connectivity to this application "will take >> place," if you get my meaning. You don't have to tell them *who* >> made the decision. :-) I've found that this bit of sleight-of-hand >> can get answers when "cleaner" methods don't. >> >> I would also ask them why they are limiting sessions by IP address >> instead of by actual authentication (user/password, certificates, >> etc.). How do they handle schools, like, say, my district, that >> use--matter of fact, *have* to use--Port Address Translation on our >> firewalls? Just about everybody today does this for a variety of >> reasons. My district couldn't function as it does without it. >> >> --TP >> >> Lewis Holcroft wrote: >> >>> Terrell, >>> >>> I was premature with my excitement. While I am able to get the VPN >>> Client running on my sandbox machine. I am not so fortunate with the >>> production machine. >>> >>> Perhaps you could answer a couple more questions I have? In my case >>> the vpn client connection is made by my server. Each user can then >>> start the "special" windows telnet client using wine. I have a >>> problem in the that the service they connect to only allows one >>> session per IP. Do you establish the vpn connection on the server, >>> or do you somehow establish it on a per workstation basis? If the >>> later how is this configured on the workstation sessions? >>> >>> I realize the folks that I am trying to connect to should know the >>> answers, but the word Linux gives them the heebee geebee's. Which is >>> much better that the "we don't support that" answer. >>> >>> Thanks is advance. >>> >>> Lewis >>> >>> >>> On Oct 7, 2004, at 6:11 PM, Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: >>> >>>> Ted thanks you, as does Terrell. :-) >>>> Good to hear that it's working. FWIW, this is exactly how I've >>>> gotten a couple more converts to GNU/Linux, so I'm glad to see >>>> Cisco supporting our favorite platform. >>>> >>>> --TP...er, Ted >>>> >>>> Lewis Holcroft wrote: >>>> >>>>> Ted! Who's Ted? >>>>> >>>>> Sorry TP. It was pre coffee. >>>>> >>>>> And once again I'm very exited about getting this to work. >>>>> >>>>> Lewis >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 7, 2004, at 8:22 AM, Lewis Holcroft wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Ted, >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you very much. This worked like a charm. >>>>>> >>>>>> Lewis >>>>>> >>>>>> On Oct 6, 2004, at 9:14 PM, Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Lewis Holcroft wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm glad to know this is in use and works. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I should say I am new to this process and site I am connecting >>>>>>>> too are all windows folks. So the learning curve is steep. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I did run into a problem. I am running the vpnclient on the >>>>>>>> server and when it does connect the LAN gets disabled. This is >>>>>>>> a problem as all of the local desktops stop responding. Are >>>>>>>> folks using the vpnclient on the server or on workstations on >>>>>>>> the network? Is this a configurable option? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm working with no documentation here. So I'm really in the dark. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Lewis >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Oct 5, 2004, at 7:42 PM, Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Lewis Holcroft wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I have rolled out a K12LTSP 4.0 cluster of 5 servers (I could >>>>>>>>>> upgrade but I just got this installation working and am going >>>>>>>>>> to wait a while) and now that we have all the equipment in >>>>>>>>>> we are told that the client needs to use a $MS product. The >>>>>>>>>> vendor does not offer a Linux version so.... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The first step is to set up a vpn link. The vendor uses CISCO >>>>>>>>>> 3000 series product and has sent along a copy of the cisco >>>>>>>>>> vpn client version 4.6.00.0045-k9. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This requires the kernel source to install. That was fun to >>>>>>>>>> install. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> When I start the daemon I get messages about tainting the >>>>>>>>>> kernel, which concerns me. Should I be concerned? I think so. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Is anyone running this vpn client? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If so, does it work well or have problems? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Lewis >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have been using the Cisco VPN Client since v4.0.3B, up to >>>>>>>>> and including the 4.6 version specified above, since 4.0.3B >>>>>>>>> came out. Works fine, though for 2.6 kernels, experience has >>>>>>>>> taught me that you will need the 4.6 version for reliable >>>>>>>>> operation. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have successfully done this on Red Hat Linux 9, Slackware >>>>>>>>> GNU/Linux 9.1 and 10.0, and SuSE Linux 9.1. "Tainted" simply >>>>>>>>> means that a proprietary, i. e. non-GPL kernel module is >>>>>>>>> getting inserted into the kernel. Doesn't affect operation, >>>>>>>>> but I wish Cisco would be less anally retentive about the GPL. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> --TP >>>>>>>>> _____________________ >>>>>>>>> Do you GNU!? >>>>>>>>> Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). >>>>>>>>> Check it out! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In my .pcf file, there's a setting "EnableLocalLan". Try >>>>>>> setting that to 1 and let us know. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --TP >>>>>>> __________________ >>>>>> From staffords at glenburn.net Mon Oct 11 23:12:23 2004 From: staffords at glenburn.net (Shane Stafford) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 19:12:23 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] North Eastern Conference Possibility In-Reply-To: References: <20041008160848.90434.qmail@web41907.mail.yahoo.com> <,> Message-ID: Conference in Bethel was GREAT. Glenburn will be back for sure. Recommend it to everyone. Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer S & B Consulting From penguintiz at yahoo.com Mon Oct 11 23:37:56 2004 From: penguintiz at yahoo.com (David Tisdell) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 16:37:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] North Eastern Conference Possibility In-Reply-To: <20041011160034.086B3742E7@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20041011233756.42881.qmail@web41906.mail.yahoo.com> Lewis, I would love to talk. I'll e-mail you off list. I am also very interested in david Trask's conference in Maine. Dave ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 11:13:45 -0400 From: Lewis Holcroft Subject: Re: [K12OSN] North Eastern Conference Possibility To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Message-ID: <255C98B6-1B98-11D9-8E47-000A95D9C522 at pcc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed David, My LTSP Knowledge has some holes too. But I have been working with *Unix now for about 8 years. We just rolled out a large LTSP network (lots of fun) about 90 workstations. I have planted the LTSP seed with The Gailer School in Shelburne, and am trying to get the ear of the Burlington School district to have them come look at our demo. I am local (Burlington) we could have our own local chit chat session and share resources if you're interested. Lewis -------------------------------------- _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From penguintiz at yahoo.com Tue Oct 12 00:05:17 2004 From: penguintiz at yahoo.com (David Tisdell) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 17:05:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] two more netware/linux questions In-Reply-To: <20041009160027.390FB74041@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20041012000517.85627.qmail@web41908.mail.yahoo.com> Hi all, Guy Lessard has been helping me out (and doing a great job) but if anyone has any other insight feel free to chime in. I want to raise 2 separate issues: 1) With Guy's help, I am switching over to ncpfs. I had been running Novell's native file access for Unix but ran into an unsolvable problem and decided to abandon it in favor of ncpfs. We assigned all of our users UID numbers and a default GID in the unix tab in consoleone. Even though unix info is entered into edirectory, ncpfs doesn't seem to be picking up on it consistently. I had a few select people using Native File access for UNIX since the beginning of last school year. Those UIDS seem to get picked up by ncpfs. We added the rest of the student body this summer. Those newer UIDS don't seem to be seen by ncpfs. I downloaded and installed the ncpfs snapins for nwadmn32. I then viewed a couple of users that had Unix ids from last year and the Unix information was identical to whay I see in Consoleone. I then viewed a couple of users that we added UIDS for this summer and though the unix info could be seen in Consoleone, it didn't show up in the ncpfs snapins for nwadmn32. I did upgrade from Netware6 to 6.5 this summer and the UIDs were added after the 6.5 upgrade. I also read somewhere that Novell completely rewrote Native File Access for Unix in 6.5. This may be the root of the issue. I just want to make sure UIDs are consistent across multiple K12LTSP servers and that no one loses access to anything that I might have to spend time chasing down. 2) The second issue is: Has anyone turned on authentication in squid and had it authenticate against edirectory? I have tried to use LDAP for this but haven't been successful. There was a doc on Novell's cool solution web site but much of the syntax in it was incorrect. I haven't gotten it to work. I was wondering if I could use ncpfs in place of LDAP if no one has any insight on how to get this to work via LDAP. Thanks. Dave __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com Tue Oct 12 01:35:13 2004 From: wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com (Wilson Chan) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 15:35:13 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Cant get server to find floppy drive Message-ID: > Wilson Chan wrote: > > >>Wilson: > >> > >>Your ls command indicates that your only mount point > >>under mnt is cdrom. You first need to create a mount > >>point named 'floppy' as indicated in your fstab file > >>by /mnt/floppy. > >> > >>Next retry the mount command: > >> > >>...]mount /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy > >> > >> > >> > >Just tried the command but it didnt work. Output below: > > > >[root at server mnt]# mount /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy > >/dev/fd0: Invalid argument > >mount: you must specify the filesystem type > >[root at server mnt]# > > > > > > Add this: > > -t vfat > > to the above command. Your command now should look like this: > > mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy > > Let us know! > > --TP Nope, It didn't work. Here's the output: [root at server root]# mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy mount: mount point /mnt/floppy does not exist From samps at redjocks.com Tue Oct 12 01:44:17 2004 From: samps at redjocks.com (Samps) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 11:14:17 +0930 Subject: [K12OSN] Improve loading time for OOo Message-ID: <416B36F1.9000600@redjocks.com> Just about ready to deploy four LTSP servers on our school network. Most is working great. :-) OpenOffice loads a bit slow tho'. Is there any way to improve the performance of OOo during its startup? In its Windows version there's a setting that will preload and leave a 'stub' of the program, running as a background process at all time, making start of the individual components quite speedy. Has anyone worked out such a hack for LTSP 4.1 and OOo 1.1.0? cheers Samps Grant High School, South Australia From nbs at sonic.net Tue Oct 12 01:47:52 2004 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 18:47:52 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Improve loading time for OOo In-Reply-To: <416B36F1.9000600@redjocks.com> References: <416B36F1.9000600@redjocks.com> Message-ID: <20041012014752.GA22021@sonic.net> On Tue, Oct 12, 2004 at 11:14:17AM +0930, Samps wrote: > > Has anyone worked out such a hack for LTSP 4.1 and OOo 1.1.0? I'm admittedly not familiar with LTSP's capabilities, but I know a new thing I've seen in KDE (at least on Debian Sarge) is a KDE-based pre-loader. It's a little icon that's kind of a cross between the KDE logo and the OOo logo, and sits in the systray. Maybe it can be used, or modified for use, in the LTSP environment??? -bill! bill at newbreedsoftware.com New Breed Software http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/ Tux Paint 0.9.14 -- Coming soon! From pfaffman at gmail.com Tue Oct 12 01:51:36 2004 From: pfaffman at gmail.com (Jay Pfaffman) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 21:51:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Improve loading time for OOo In-Reply-To: <416B36F1.9000600@redjocks.com> References: <416B36F1.9000600@redjocks.com> Message-ID: <932609800410111851ba3997e@mail.gmail.com> I'm not speaking from experience, but 20 year old knowledge of unix. After the first user has loaded OOo on the server, those parts should be in memory (as your Windows example). So OOs should load faster for the 2nd and later users. NB that the first time a user runs OOo, a script copies a bunch of setup stuff to their home directory, so OOo will run faster for users after the 1st time. On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 11:14:17 +0930, Samps wrote: > Just about ready to deploy four LTSP servers on our school network. Most > is working great. :-) > > OpenOffice loads a bit slow tho'. From pfaffman at gmail.com Tue Oct 12 02:12:19 2004 From: pfaffman at gmail.com (Jay Pfaffman) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 22:12:19 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SITE panel discussion Message-ID: <9326098004101119121d8676c0@mail.gmail.com> I've seen talk (?) about a k12ltsp conference, but is anyone planning to present at SITE (http://site.aace.org/conf/). I was thinking that a K12LTSP panel might be well-received. I think it'd be more interesting the more different kinds of uses we had (elementary, high schools, public, private, Windows, Mac, multi-platform, others?) Another angle might be ways that folks have successfully convinced administrators, parents, teachers (and students, but I don't think that's the hard part) to give K12LTSP a try. If anyone's interested in participating in such a panel, send me an email and I'll try to coordinate something. The application deadline is next Monday. -- Jay Pfaffman Asst Professor of Instructional Technology, U. TN, Knoxville Experimenting with gmail, please honor the Reply-To From glessard at coll-outao.qc.ca Tue Oct 12 02:18:35 2004 From: glessard at coll-outao.qc.ca (Guy Lessard) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 22:18:35 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] two more netware/linux questions References: <20041012000517.85627.qmail@web41908.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <416B3EFB.9B8CA7D1@coll-outao.qc.ca> Is setting UID and GID necessary in eDirectory for ncpfs to work?, i did'nt add a single ID to anyone or is this mandatory to maintain the K12 servers and Native file access operational? As for squid/edirectory, i dont know of any solution. David Tisdell a ?crit : > Hi all, > Guy Lessard has been helping me out (and doing a great > job) but if anyone has any other insight feel free to > chime in. I want to raise 2 separate issues: > 1) With Guy's help, I am switching over to ncpfs. I > had been running Novell's native file access for Unix > but ran into an unsolvable problem and decided to > abandon it in favor of ncpfs. We assigned all of our > users UID numbers and a default GID in the unix tab in > consoleone. Even though unix info is entered into > edirectory, ncpfs doesn't seem to be picking up on it > consistently. I had a few select people using Native > File access for UNIX since the beginning of last > school year. Those UIDS seem to get picked up by > ncpfs. We added the rest of the student body this > summer. Those newer UIDS don't seem to be seen by > ncpfs. I downloaded and installed the ncpfs snapins > for nwadmn32. I then viewed a couple of users that had > Unix ids from last year and the Unix information was > identical to whay I see in Consoleone. I then viewed a > couple of users that we added UIDS for this summer and > though the unix info could be seen in Consoleone, it > didn't show up in the ncpfs snapins for nwadmn32. I > did upgrade from Netware6 to 6.5 this summer and the > UIDs were added after the 6.5 upgrade. I also read > somewhere that Novell completely rewrote Native File > Access for Unix in 6.5. This may be the root of the > issue. I just want to make sure UIDs are consistent > across multiple K12LTSP servers and that no one loses > access to anything that I might have to spend time > chasing down. > 2) The second issue is: Has anyone turned on > authentication in squid and had it authenticate > against edirectory? I have tried to use LDAP for this > but haven't been successful. There was a doc on > Novell's cool solution web site but much of the syntax > in it was incorrect. I haven't gotten it to work. I > was wondering if I could use ncpfs in place of LDAP if > no one has any insight on how to get this to work via > LDAP. Thanks. > Dave > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From spowers at inlandlakes.org Tue Oct 12 02:15:42 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 22:15:42 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Improve loading time for OOo In-Reply-To: <932609800410111851ba3997e@mail.gmail.com> References: <416B36F1.9000600@redjocks.com> <932609800410111851ba3997e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <416B3E4E.1020508@inlandlakes.org> Jay Pfaffman wrote: > So OOs should load faster for > the 2nd and later users. I'll affirm this. In our district, once someone has started OO, it takes literally about 4 seconds for the next folks to start it. The first user usually has to wait 20-30 seconds, but after that it's like lightning. :) An rc.local script would be great if you could load some of the "big" programs in a virtual X session or something. I'd love to be able to add 1 minute to start up time, and get the preloaded effect for the users. -Shawn From samps at redjocks.com Tue Oct 12 02:21:57 2004 From: samps at redjocks.com (Samps) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 11:51:57 +0930 Subject: [K12OSN] Improve loading time for OOo In-Reply-To: <932609800410111851ba3997e@mail.gmail.com> References: <416B36F1.9000600@redjocks.com> <932609800410111851ba3997e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <416B3FC5.7090402@redjocks.com> Jay Pfaffman wrote: > I'm not speaking from experience, but 20 year old knowledge of unix. > After the first user has loaded OOo on the server, those parts should > be in memory (as your Windows example). So OOs should load faster for > the 2nd and later users. > It seems like OOo is chewing up 55Mb of memory for each user who starts an instance of it (according to 'System monitor'), with the exception of first user, whose OOo ads about 65Mb to the 'used memory' tally. So I guess you're right in your assumption that users share parts of the program in memory. > NB that the first time a user runs OOo, a script copies a bunch of > setup stuff to their home directory, so OOo will run faster for users > after the 1st time. > Yes, I'e noticed that it starts slightly faster on subsequent runs.... It still takes almost 40 seconds though. Hardware is dual AMD Athlon XP1700 w. 1Gb SDRAM, user homes exported from an E-smith SME server using NFS cheers Samps From pfaffman at gmail.com Tue Oct 12 02:23:40 2004 From: pfaffman at gmail.com (Jay Pfaffman) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 22:23:40 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Improve loading time for OOo In-Reply-To: <416B3E4E.1020508@inlandlakes.org> References: <416B36F1.9000600@redjocks.com> <932609800410111851ba3997e@mail.gmail.com> <416B3E4E.1020508@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <93260980041011192334818cf8@mail.gmail.com> OK. That's easy (also speaking from what I think should be so rather than what I've tried, but you affirmed the last one). Have the server auto-login to an account that automatically cranks up whatever apps you want pre-loaded. A startup script is one way, but using a GUI that remembers what you had open last time you shut down seems easier. Given that the server isn't used by an actual human this shouldn't be a problem. If someone does use the console, another solution would be to have something in rc.local that started a vncserver that cranked up whatever you want to run. On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 22:15:42 -0400, Shawn Powers wrote: > Jay Pfaffman wrote: > > So OOs should load faster for > > the 2nd and later users. > > I'll affirm this. In our district, once someone has started OO, it > takes literally about 4 seconds for the next folks to start it. The > first user usually has to wait 20-30 seconds, but after that it's like > lightning. :) > > An rc.local script would be great if you could load some of the "big" > programs in a virtual X session or something. I'd love to be able to > add 1 minute to start up time, and get the preloaded effect for the users. > > -Shawn > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- Jay Pfaffman Asst Professor of Instructional Technology, U. TN, Knoxville Experimenting with gmail, please honor the Reply-To From spowers at inlandlakes.org Tue Oct 12 02:28:18 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 22:28:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Improve loading time for OOo In-Reply-To: <416B3FC5.7090402@redjocks.com> References: <416B36F1.9000600@redjocks.com> <932609800410111851ba3997e@mail.gmail.com> <416B3FC5.7090402@redjocks.com> Message-ID: <416B4142.7060908@inlandlakes.org> Samps wrote: > Yes, I'e noticed that it starts slightly faster on subsequent runs.... > It still takes almost 40 seconds though. > > Hardware is dual AMD Athlon XP1700 w. 1Gb SDRAM, user homes exported > from an E-smith SME server using NFS Whoa... Maybe it's my server hardware, but I have about 75-80 concurrent users on my server all day. Dual 3.2Ghz Xeon, 4GB RAM, GigE, /home mounted over second GigE via NFS. Startup time is actually 6-7 seconds from clicking the icon to typing in a document (I just vnc'd into my server to time it). What sort of startup time is normal? Am I blessed? Does my hardware make that much of a difference? I'm using icewm and XDM so that users can't choose to use gnome or kde... Shawn From wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com Tue Oct 12 02:44:42 2004 From: wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com (Wilson) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 16:44:42 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Cant get server to find floppy drive In-Reply-To: <416B36FA.8070407@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <200410120244.i9C2iiQm012256@ms-smtp-02-eri0.socal.rr.com> > >>Add this: > >> > >> -t vfat > >> > >>to the above command. Your command now should look like this: > >> > >> mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy > >> > >>Let us know! > >> > >>--TP > >> > >> > > > >Nope, It didn't work. Here's the output: > > > >[root at server root]# mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy > >mount: mount point /mnt/floppy does not exist > > > > > > > > > > Do you have a /mnt/floppy directory already? That needs to be there for > this to work. > > --TP > _____________________ [Wilson ] I do not have the /mnt/floppy directory in /mnt at all. That?s the weird part. Can I manually create the /mnt/floppy dir and how do you do that? Wilson From bear2bar at netscape.net Tue Oct 12 02:54:48 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 22:54:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Cant get server to find floppy drive In-Reply-To: <200410120244.i9C2iiQm012256@ms-smtp-02-eri0.socal.rr.com> References: <200410120244.i9C2iiQm012256@ms-smtp-02-eri0.socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <416B4778.9080904@netscape.net> Hi, Just cd to mnt and type mkdir floppy then check the permissions on /mnt/floppy. However it is strange that yuo don't already have that directory.... norbert wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com wrote: >>>>Add this: >>>> >>>> -t vfat >>>> >>>>to the above command. Your command now should look like this: >>>> >>>> mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy >>>> >>>>Let us know! >>>> >>>>--TP >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Nope, It didn't work. Here's the output: >>> >>>[root at server root]# mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy >>>mount: mount point /mnt/floppy does not exist >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Do you have a /mnt/floppy directory already? That needs to be there for >>this to work. >> >>--TP >>_____________________ >> >> >[Wilson ] > >I do not have the /mnt/floppy directory in /mnt at all. That's the weird >part. Can I manually create the /mnt/floppy dir and how do you do that? > > >Wilson > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Tue Oct 12 03:11:13 2004 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 16:11:13 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] HD boot-Format 1722kb floppy on Fedora Core 2 In-Reply-To: <200410110023.i9B0N6t28505@downeast.net> Message-ID: <200410120310.i9C3AglA031625@dbmail-mx8.orcon.net.nz> Thanks it worked this time. Perhaps 5.2.5 image is no good. What is the difference between dd and cat? -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of cliebow at downeast.net Sent: Monday, 11 October 2004 1:21 p.m. To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] HD boot-Format 1722kb floppy on Fedora Core 2 try dd...and use 5.0.11 if possible dd if=eb-5.0.11-yournic.lzdsk of=/dev/hda ive moved 40 gig windows partitions with dd...cant get a handle on oyur samba problem ch uck > I tried doing cat to hard drive from floppy but I kept getting garbage on > the screen, so I attached the destination HD and did > $ cat eb-5.2.5-yournic.zdsk > /dev/hdc > but when I try to boot from the hard drive it get the following messages. > > Loading ROM image. > 8000 AX:0208 BX:0000 CX 0002 D:0000 > .. > 8000 AX:0208 BX:0000 CX 0002 D:0000 > .. > 8000 AX:0208 BX:0000 CX 0002 D:0000 > .. > 8000 AX:0208 BX:0000 CX 0002 D:0000 > .. > > What does this mean? > > I was able to boot this machine using a floppy previously but I started > repeatedly getting a similar message. I thought it was a floppy drive > problem so I decided to try using HD boot. > > I also have other machines that show the same kind of problems. > > Any advice. > > Will it work better if I use the more complex zlilo method? > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of Terrell Prud?, Jr. > Sent: Sunday, 10 October 2004 10:48 a.m. > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] HD boot-Format 1722kb floppy on Fedora Core 2 > > Krsnendu dasa wrote: > > >I am trying to set up booting from the hard drive on K12LTSP using Toms's > >boot disk. When I run the install on one of my servers (K12LTSP4.01) the > >floppies don't verify. I heard some floppy drives/ systems just don't work. > >So I tried it on another box (K12LTSP 4.1.0) and I get the message "Device > >not found" Does anyone have advice how to format 1722kb floppies using > >Fedora Core 2. This seems to be the sticking point. > > > >Perhaps there is another way to do this. If there is a 1.44 MB boot image > >that will allow me to format my HD so I can copy the etherboot image that > >might be easier. If someone can send an image that I can copy direct to > 1.44 > >floppy that would be fantastic! :-) > > > >Other suggestions welcome. > > > > > >Background: I have been using floppies to boot my client computers but have > >found them a. unreliable (many floppy disk errors) b. the floppy drive is > >used up by the boot floppy because c. if the kids take the floppies out > they > >lose them. > > > >Etherboot BootROM nics are too expensive to get. I already have the hard > >drives and have no other use for them. I have about 8-9 like this > > > >My new terminals have PXE on the motherboard NIC. Much easier:>) > > > > > > > > There is indeed another way to do this (gotta love Free Software!). I > have a couple of 32MB Pentium I terminals here that boot to K12LTSP from > the hard disk. My NICs are 3Com 3C905 and Realtek 8129. No floppy > needed for these babies. :-) Basically, you simply cat the EtherBoot > floppy to your hard disk. Here's how I did it. > > Make your EtherBoot boot floppy. Grab something like Damn Small Linux > (http://www.damnsmalllinux.org) and burn the ISO image to a CD-R. Boot > your terminal with it. D.S.L. has actually been shown to allow GUI > access in 16MB DRAM on a 486!! > (http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/486.html) Of course, I would recommend > no less than 32MB on the clients. > > Once you're booted, pop your EtherBoot boot floppy in and do this: > > root at box# cat /dev/fd0 /dev/hda > > What this will do is copy the contents of your EtherBoot floppy right to > the hard disk, starting from Sector 0,0,1, thus over-writing your MBR > and partition table (kiss that Windows 95 installation goodbye! :-D ). > Your computer will from then on boot from the EtherBoot code every time, > just like from a really, Really, REALLY fast, HUUUUUGE "boot floppy." > The above command assumes an IDE disk, since that tends to describe most > older 486/Pentiums. For SCSI disks, just replace "/dev/hda" with > "/dev/sda"; D.S.L. correctly recognized my Adaptec 2930U, even though > there's nothing on it. Of course all of this assumes that you have only > one disk drive of any sort in the box, or if there's also a CD-ROM > drive, that the hard disk (if IDE) is the primary master; CD-ROMs should > ideally be the secondary master, if present. > > HTH, > > --TP > _____________________ > Do you GNU!? > Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it > out! > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com Tue Oct 12 03:14:24 2004 From: wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com (Wilson) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 17:14:24 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Cant get server to find floppy drive In-Reply-To: <416B4778.9080904@netscape.net> Message-ID: <200410120314.i9C3ESQm008352@ms-smtp-02-eri0.socal.rr.com> _____ From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of norbert Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 4:55 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Cant get server to find floppy drive Hi, Just cd to mnt and type mkdir floppy then check the permissions on /mnt/floppy. However it is strange that yuo don't already have that directory.... norbert [Wilson ] Okay, New error message. Is the permissions correct on the floppy directory? Output below: [root at server mnt]# mkdir floppy [root at server mnt]# ls -al total 16 drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 Oct 11 17:11 . drwxr-xr-x 22 root root 4096 Oct 9 20:55 .. drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Oct 7 20:43 cdrom drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Oct 11 17:11 floppy [root at server mnt]# mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy mount: block device /dev/fd0 is write-protected, mounting read-only mount: /dev/fd0: can't read superblock -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robark at telus.net Tue Oct 12 03:23:15 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 20:23:15 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Upgrade to Mozilla 1.7.3 on 3.1.2? Message-ID: <416B4E23.3060501@telus.net> Can I upgrade to Mozilla 1.7.3 for my school server running K12LTSP 3.1.2 (Redhat 9) using the k12linux FC2 yum update repository? #yum upgrade mozilla* The 3.1.2 repositories only update me to Mozilla 1.4.2 Robert Arkiletian From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Tue Oct 12 03:26:15 2004 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 16:26:15 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba problem Message-ID: <200410120326.i9C3Prot002574@dbmail-mx10.orcon.net.nz> How do setup samba on K12LTSP so I can plug my WinXP laptop into the K12LTSP (eth0, 192.168.0.) subnet and still browse and access the files on the main subnet (eth1, 192.168.1.) I have manually set my laptop IP address as 192.168.0.20 same subnet mask etc. I am able to connect to the internet @ 192.168.1.1 However I cannot browse the shares on the main network. Any tips? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From samps at redjocks.com Tue Oct 12 04:09:47 2004 From: samps at redjocks.com (Samps) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 13:39:47 +0930 Subject: [K12OSN] Improve loading time for OOo In-Reply-To: <416B4142.7060908@inlandlakes.org> References: <416B36F1.9000600@redjocks.com> <932609800410111851ba3997e@mail.gmail.com> <416B3FC5.7090402@redjocks.com> <416B4142.7060908@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <416B590B.9090004@redjocks.com> Shawn Powers wrote: > Whoa... Maybe it's my server hardware, but I have about 75-80 > concurrent users on my server all day. Dual 3.2Ghz Xeon, 4GB RAM, GigE, > /home mounted over second GigE via NFS. Startup time is actually 6-7 > seconds from clicking the icon to typing in a document (I just vnc'd > into my server to time it). > I'm using a single NIC LTSP-setup, 100mbps Ethernet, could it be 'net congestion' that results in OO load-up times around the 40-50 seconds? just looking for clues... ;-) Samps From kjetil at knudsen.gs Tue Oct 12 05:52:01 2004 From: kjetil at knudsen.gs (Kjetil Knudsen) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 22:52:01 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Improve loading time for OOo Message-ID: <184a01c4b01f$97f77bf0$6ecb010a@mail2world.com> <-----Original Message-----> >From: Samps >Sent: 12/10/2004 6:23:47 AM >To: k12osn at redhat.com >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Improve loading time for OOo > >Shawn Powers wrote: >> Whoa... Maybe it's my server hardware, but I have about 75-80 >> concurrent users on my server all day. Dual 3.2Ghz Xeon, 4GB RAM, GigE, >> /home mounted over second GigE via NFS. Startup time is actually 6-7 >> seconds from clicking the icon to typing in a document (I just vnc'd >> into my server to time it). >> > >I'm using a single NIC LTSP-setup, 100mbps Ethernet, could it be 'net >congestion' that results in OO load-up times around the 40-50 seconds? > >just looking for clues... > We had the same problem with OO. Loading times around 30-50 seconds. We found the problem to be the hosts file. We have multiple LTSP servers and the hosts file on our servers were not identical. After modyfing the hosts file, OO now have a loading time around 5 seconds. Kjetil -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au Tue Oct 12 07:38:42 2004 From: debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au (Debbie Schiel) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:38:42 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Woe is me: Onboard SCSI/RAID Controller Message-ID: <416B8A02.4010508@redeemer.qld.edu.au> My school bought its first server over the holidays. The advice was to get one that did *not* have an onboard scsi/raid. Our brand new server, however, is an Acer Altos G700 with an onboard Adaptec AIC-7902W SCSI/RAID controller... It comes with an A4 sheet saying "... AIC-7902W... is not supported under Red Hat 8.0" It's still "in the box" and I was hoping to set up K12LTSP on our new server over the weekend. (I've been playing quite successfully with K12 on an old PIII and on my Dell laptop too.) What's the advice/general opinion? Am I saying goodbye to K12ltsp and hello to windows 2003? Thanks, Debbie P.S. I'm a web designer turned teacher, so please forgive me when I say that I have no idea what a SCSI/RAID controller is. -- http://www.redeemer.qld.edu.au/ From sudev at mantraonline.com Tue Oct 12 08:18:03 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 13:48:03 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Improve loading time for OOo In-Reply-To: <416B590B.9090004@redjocks.com> References: <416B36F1.9000600@redjocks.com> <932609800410111851ba3997e@mail.gmail.com> <416B3FC5.7090402@redjocks.com> <416B4142.7060908@inlandlakes.org> <416B590B.9090004@redjocks.com> Message-ID: <1097569083.30076.6.camel@server.ltsp> On Tue, 2004-10-12 at 09:39, Samps wrote: > Shawn Powers wrote: > > Whoa... Maybe it's my server hardware, but I have about 75-80 > > concurrent users on my server all day. Dual 3.2Ghz Xeon, 4GB RAM, GigE, > > /home mounted over second GigE via NFS. Startup time is actually 6-7 > > seconds from clicking the icon to typing in a document (I just vnc'd > > into my server to time it). > > > > I'm using a single NIC LTSP-setup, 100mbps Ethernet, could it be 'net > congestion' that results in OO load-up times around the 40-50 seconds? > > just looking for clues... Joined this thread a bit late but which version of OO you are using? Upto ver 1.1 the file pspfontcache used to keep on growing and slowing down the loading. Simple solution was delete this file which is located in /home/USER/OpenOff../user/... or somewhat. HTH -- Sudev Barar From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Tue Oct 12 08:24:15 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 04:24:15 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Woe is me: Onboard SCSI/RAID Controller In-Reply-To: <416B8A02.4010508@redeemer.qld.edu.au> References: <416B8A02.4010508@redeemer.qld.edu.au> Message-ID: <1097569455.4787.21.camel@mom> Debbie, First, let me say, G'day mate! Probably more appropriate to an Aussie bloke, but just feels good to use the slang that I used while living in Sydney for a number of years. I miss it. I'm in Florida now, so after these hurricanes, it's just now coming into some really good weather. More to the point, you should put some thought into your server selection. What I mean by this is that you should plan your solution/outcome, then take steps to meet those requirements. It sounds like you went off and bought a motherboard and now that you've found it doesn't support a particular version of Redhat, you're completely willing to change your original plan. Not a good idea. First of all, I would NOT give up on LTSP with this new motherboard. The software is available free for download.... ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.1.1/iso/ so you can try at no additional expense and if it doesn't work, my suggestion would be to relegate this hardware to some other function. I have had very few failures on loading linux on intel platforms, and when I did have troubles, it seems other distributions supported the hardware better. Post again if you run into trouble here, and we'll pitch in to suggest alternatives if required. I've recently built an LTSP server and recommend you go with the TYAN Thunder K8S Pro (S2882) with dual Opteron 240's with 4G RAM and it works well, and the on board SCSI & SATA RAID works great as well, so I'm not so sure I agree with your previous advisor. http://www.tyan.com/products/html/thunderk8spro.html Word of advice, decide your server OS before narrowing down to hardware platform. Feel free to contact me offlist if you want more assistance and/or detail. Brian Chase On Tue, 2004-10-12 at 03:38, Debbie Schiel wrote: > My school bought its first server over the holidays. > The advice was to get one that did *not* have an onboard scsi/raid. > > Our brand new server, however, is an Acer Altos G700 with an onboard > Adaptec AIC-7902W SCSI/RAID controller... > > It comes with an A4 sheet saying "... AIC-7902W... is not supported > under Red Hat 8.0" > > It's still "in the box" and I was hoping to set up K12LTSP on our new > server over the weekend. (I've been playing quite successfully with K12 > on an old PIII and on my Dell laptop too.) > > What's the advice/general opinion? > Am I saying goodbye to K12ltsp and hello to windows 2003? > > > Thanks, > > Debbie > > P.S. > I'm a web designer turned teacher, so please forgive me when I say that > I have no idea what a SCSI/RAID controller is. From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Tue Oct 12 08:38:24 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 04:38:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Woe is me: Onboard SCSI/RAID Controller In-Reply-To: <1097569455.4787.21.camel@mom> References: <416B8A02.4010508@redeemer.qld.edu.au> <1097569455.4787.21.camel@mom> Message-ID: <1097570304.4784.24.camel@mom> By the way, I'm currently running K12LTSP 4.1.0, but have no concerns about upgrading to 4.1.1 on my current hardware platform specified in the previous post. Brian On Tue, 2004-10-12 at 04:24, Brian Chase wrote: > Debbie, > > First, let me say, G'day mate! Probably more appropriate to an Aussie > bloke, but just feels good to use the slang that I used while living in > Sydney for a number of years. I miss it. I'm in Florida now, so after > these hurricanes, it's just now coming into some really good weather. > > More to the point, you should put some thought into your server > selection. What I mean by this is that you should plan your > solution/outcome, then take steps to meet those requirements. It sounds > like you went off and bought a motherboard and now that you've found it > doesn't support a particular version of Redhat, you're completely > willing to change your original plan. Not a good idea. > > First of all, I would NOT give up on LTSP with this new motherboard. > The software is available free for download.... > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.1.1/iso/ > > so you can try at no additional expense and if it doesn't work, my > suggestion would be to relegate this hardware to some other function. I > have had very few failures on loading linux on intel platforms, and when > I did have troubles, it seems other distributions supported the hardware > better. Post again if you run into trouble here, and we'll pitch in to > suggest alternatives if required. > > I've recently built an LTSP server and recommend you go with the TYAN > Thunder K8S Pro (S2882) with dual Opteron 240's with 4G RAM and it works > well, and the on board SCSI & SATA RAID works great as well, so I'm not > so sure I agree with your previous advisor. > > http://www.tyan.com/products/html/thunderk8spro.html > > Word of advice, decide your server OS before narrowing down to hardware > platform. > > Feel free to contact me offlist if you want more assistance and/or > detail. > > Brian Chase > > > > > > > > On Tue, 2004-10-12 at 03:38, Debbie Schiel wrote: > > My school bought its first server over the holidays. > > The advice was to get one that did *not* have an onboard scsi/raid. > > > > Our brand new server, however, is an Acer Altos G700 with an onboard > > Adaptec AIC-7902W SCSI/RAID controller... > > > > It comes with an A4 sheet saying "... AIC-7902W... is not supported > > under Red Hat 8.0" > > > > It's still "in the box" and I was hoping to set up K12LTSP on our new > > server over the weekend. (I've been playing quite successfully with K12 > > on an old PIII and on my Dell laptop too.) > > > > What's the advice/general opinion? > > Am I saying goodbye to K12ltsp and hello to windows 2003? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Debbie > > > > P.S. > > I'm a web designer turned teacher, so please forgive me when I say that > > I have no idea what a SCSI/RAID controller is. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From lesbell at lesbell.com.au Tue Oct 12 08:41:20 2004 From: lesbell at lesbell.com.au (Les Bell) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 18:41:20 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Woe is me: Onboard SCSI/RAID Controller Message-ID: Brian Chase wrote: >> It sounds like you went off and bought a motherboard and now that you've found it doesn't support a particular version of Redhat, you're completely willing to change your original plan. Not a good idea. << In all fairness to Debbie, she probably saw some Acer Altos blurb that said "supports Red Hat Linux, supports SuSE Linux", etc. I got caught the same way - bought a couple of Acer Altos G301 servers for a school, on the understanding that Red Hat 7.3 and 8.0 were supported (and 9 shouldn't be a problem, you'd think) - only to find out that the on-board RAID controller was a MegaIDE chipset that only has precompiled binary drivers and only supports the kernel supplied on the RH 7.3 and 8.0 CD-ROMs. If you want to download and use a later official RH kernel, as a bug fix or security patch, tough - you're out of luck. Acer tech support were less than helpful - they had shipped a driver and as far as they were concerned, that was Linux support and if I didn't like it, I knew what I could do. . . . Out of interest, I've tried Googling for info on the AIC-7902W, with no success, I've looked and searched on the Adaptec web site (nothing under 7902 and Adaptec seem to have renumbered all their products since I last used them), and I've even grepped the 2.4.20-28.7 and 2.6.7 kernel source code. Only the last gave any joy - the generic aic7xxx driver does have support for some versions of the AIC7902, but perhaps not the W (wide?) version. Debbie: I'd go ahead and try a test install of any recent version of K12LTSP or Red Hat/Fedora and just see how far you get. We might all be panicking needlessly. . . (But I'd still give those sneaky buggers at Acer a serve. They make nice, good value gear, but they just haven't got a clue about Linux - and that's going to cost them, and rightly so, imho). Best, --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP [http://www.lesbell.com.au] From samps at redjocks.com Tue Oct 12 10:12:42 2004 From: samps at redjocks.com (Samps) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 19:42:42 +0930 Subject: [K12OSN] Improve loading time for OOo In-Reply-To: <1097569083.30076.6.camel@server.ltsp> References: <416B36F1.9000600@redjocks.com> <932609800410111851ba3997e@mail.gmail.com> <416B3FC5.7090402@redjocks.com> <416B4142.7060908@inlandlakes.org> <416B590B.9090004@redjocks.com> <1097569083.30076.6.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <416BAE1A.4030309@redjocks.com> Sudev Barar wrote: > Joined this thread a bit late but which version of OO you are using? Upto ver 1.1 the file pspfontcache used to keep on growing and slowing down the loading. > Simple solution was delete this file which is located in /home/USER/OpenOff../user/... or somewhat. > HTH > Version 1.1.0. The 1.1.1 version for Windows had some structural changes that boosted the load speed dramatically. I don't know if these changes also had an influence on the Linux version but I'll have a go at updating the 1.1.0 tomorrow. Thanks for your help cheers Samps From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Oct 12 10:14:14 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 06:14:14 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Upgrade to Mozilla 1.7.3 on 3.1.2? In-Reply-To: <416B4E23.3060501@telus.net> References: <416B4E23.3060501@telus.net> Message-ID: <416BAE76.5020600@cmosnetworks.com> Robert Arkiletian wrote: > Can I upgrade to Mozilla 1.7.3 for my school server running K12LTSP > 3.1.2 (Redhat 9) using the k12linux FC2 yum update repository? > > #yum upgrade mozilla* > > The 3.1.2 repositories only update me to Mozilla 1.4.2 > > Robert Arkiletian > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > Easily. Just install it in somewhere like /usr/local/mozilla/ avoid clobbering your existing Mozilla installation (things like Galeon depend on the original) Then, to have your users use the new Moz, just symlink /usr/local/mozilla/mozilla to /usr/bin/mozilla, and that'll do 'er. Note that you'll have to rename the existing /usr/bin/mozilla script; I use something like "/usr/bin/mozilla142". That's how I do it on all my boxes. BTW, this trick works very nicely with Firefox, too; I've done it on several GNU/Linux and OpenBSD boxes. Install Firefox into, say, /usr/local/firefox/, symlink /usr/local/firefox/firefox to /usr/bin/mozilla, and the next time someone clicks on the Mozilla icon, Firefox pops up. :-) --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From samps at redjocks.com Tue Oct 12 10:14:59 2004 From: samps at redjocks.com (Samps) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 19:44:59 +0930 Subject: [K12OSN] Improve loading time for OOo In-Reply-To: <184a01c4b01f$97f77bf0$6ecb010a@mail2world.com> References: <184a01c4b01f$97f77bf0$6ecb010a@mail2world.com> Message-ID: <416BAEA3.10909@redjocks.com> Kjetil Knudsen wrote: > > > We had the same problem with OO. Loading times around 30-50 seconds. We > found the problem to be the hosts file. We have multiple LTSP servers > and the hosts file on our servers were not identical. After modyfing the > hosts file, OO now have a loading time around 5 seconds. > > Kjetil > > Kjetil, That sounds interesting. I've had at least one other LTSP server running through all my fruitless efforts.... What sort of changes to the hosts file? Can you remember? cheers Samps From mikko.jordman at edu.vantaa.fi Tue Oct 12 10:46:44 2004 From: mikko.jordman at edu.vantaa.fi (Mikko Jordman) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 13:46:44 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] DigiTV and LTSP Message-ID: <416BB614.2010707@edu.vantaa.fi> Hi, has anyone out there used digiTV card with K12LTSP? yours, mikkoj Greetings from Finland From kjetil at knudsen.gs Tue Oct 12 10:45:25 2004 From: kjetil at knudsen.gs (Kjetil Knudsen) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 03:45:25 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Improve loading time for OOo Message-ID: <8efb01c4b048$95036ca0$66cb010a@mail2world.com> <-----Original Message-----> >From: Samps >Sent: 12/10/2004 12:29:59 PM >To: k12osn at redhat.com >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Improve loading time for OOo > >Kjetil Knudsen wrote: >> > >> We had the same problem with OO. Loading times around 30-50 seconds. We >> found the problem to be the hosts file. We have multiple LTSP servers >> and the hosts file on our servers were not identical. After modyfing the >> hosts file, OO now have a loading time around 5 seconds. >> >> Kjetil >> >> > > >Kjetil, > >That sounds interesting. I've had at least one other LTSP server running >through all my fruitless efforts.... > >What sort of changes to the hosts file? Can you remember? > If you have three Ltsp servers. All of the servers must be listet in the hosts file on every server. Example.. Three servers. One are named LTSP1 with ip 192.168.0.251, the next LTSP2 with ip 192.168.0.252 and finally LTSP3 with ip 192.168.253.. The hosts file for LTSP1 looks like this: (The three last lines) 192.168.0.251 LTSP1 server.ltsp server 192.168.0.252 LTSP2 ws252.ltsp ws252 192.168.0.253 LTSP3 ws253.ltsp ws253 The hosts file for LTSP2 looks like this: 192.168.0.251 LTSP1 ws251.ltsp ws251 192.168.0.252 LTSP2 server.ltsp ws252 192.168.0.253 LTSP3 ws253.ltsp ws253 Finally the hosts file for LTSP3: 192.168.0.251 LTSP1 ws251.ltsp ws251 192.168.0.252 LTSP2 ws252.ltsp ws252 192.168.0.253 LTSP3 server.ltsp ws253 I do not know why OO uses the hosts file, but it looks like it is getting confused if the hosts file are messed up. Anyway.. This solved the problem with the long OO startup time at our school. Kjetil -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Goodnight for now. cheers Samps From debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au Tue Oct 12 11:32:39 2004 From: debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au (Debbie Schiel) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 21:32:39 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Woe is me: Onboard SCSI/RAID Controller In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <416BC0D7.1040504@redeemer.qld.edu.au> Les Bell wrote: > Brian Chase wrote: > > > It sounds > like you went off and bought a motherboard and now that you've found it > doesn't support a particular version of Redhat, you're completely > willing to change your original plan. Not a good idea. > << > > In all fairness to Debbie, she probably saw some Acer Altos blurb that said > "supports Red Hat Linux, supports SuSE Linux", etc. I got caught the same > way - bought a couple of Acer Altos G301 servers for a school, on the > understanding that Red Hat 7.3 and 8.0 were supported (and 9 shouldn't be a > problem, you'd think) - only to find out that the on-board RAID controller > was a MegaIDE chipset that only has precompiled binary drivers and only > supports the kernel supplied on the RH 7.3 and 8.0 CD-ROMs. If you want to > download and use a later official RH kernel, as a bug fix or security > patch, tough - you're out of luck. Acer tech support were less than helpful > - they had shipped a driver and as far as they were concerned, that was > Linux support and if I didn't like it, I knew what I could do. . . . > Thanks Les & Brian for your advice. Unfortunately I was not the one responsible for buying the server. If I was I would've chosen something different. Some guys down in ACT (home of Samba) who were trialling K12ltsp gave me recommended hardware specs from their supplier specifically for K12ltsp. And my school got another quote from a different (non-linux) source. During the holidays in my absence they (the ones with the money & the final say) bought the Acer server from this other supplier. I am the IT co-ordinator/teacher by the way, but we're a small independant school and I don't feel like I can grumble about all the money spent on this server (even though I wish we could take the Acer back to the supplier this instant!) So I'll follow your suggestions, and try an install of K12ltsp on the Acer this weekend. Hopefully I'll have some good news to report! Debbie -- http://www.redeemer.qld.edu.au/ From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Tue Oct 12 11:36:31 2004 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 06:36:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Improve loading time for OOo In-Reply-To: <416B590B.9090004@redjocks.com> References: <416B36F1.9000600@redjocks.com> <932609800410111851ba3997e@mail.gmail.com> <416B3FC5.7090402@redjocks.com> <416B4142.7060908@inlandlakes.org> <416B590B.9090004@redjocks.com> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Oct 11, 2004, at 11:09 PM, Samps wrote: > Shawn Powers wrote: >> Whoa... Maybe it's my server hardware, but I have about 75-80 >> concurrent users on my server all day. Dual 3.2Ghz Xeon, 4GB RAM, >> GigE, /home mounted over second GigE via NFS. Startup time is >> actually 6-7 seconds from clicking the icon to typing in a document >> (I just vnc'd into my server to time it). > > I'm using a single NIC LTSP-setup, 100mbps Ethernet, could it be 'net > congestion' that results in OO load-up times around the 40-50 seconds? > > How much RAM, how many users? Of course it could be the network or hosts file, like previous posters said. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkFrwb8ACgkQfqZR3ThMfXS+1ACfWIm2gOg/Hh6FNCTqqnsvuDkZ pUgAmgI3Jwxw+732tIVNnJuM+qKbFVPu =MkGE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tue Oct 12 11:46:38 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 06:46:38 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] apt-get and yum repositories In-Reply-To: References: <4158406E.2010100@netscape.net> Message-ID: I am using FC1 and the stuff provided here won't work. I tried substituting fc1 where fc2 was and it would not work. Can I do an online upgrade to fc2 right on top of fc1 and how would I do that? Thanks Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Mon, 27 Sep 2004, David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Monday, September 27, 2004 at 12:31 PM +0000 wrote: > >>I did updates and one of the updates included apt and since then the > >>repositories are messed up. > >> > >>Can anyone tell me where to set the correct repositories for apt and yum? > >> > >>I need the files on the server and also the stuff to change in them. > > Assuming you are using the current version of K12LTSP...if not you'll need > the correct settings. Anyway...these are changed in > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/k12ltsp.list > > # K12LTSP Repository > rpm ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/ apt/fc2 k12ltsp os updates non-free > extras meta > rpm-src ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/ apt/fc2 k12ltsp os updates non-free > extras meta > > Hope this helps :-) > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From penguintiz at yahoo.com Tue Oct 12 12:15:08 2004 From: penguintiz at yahoo.com (David Tisdell) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 05:15:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Samba Problem In-Reply-To: <20041012084040.D4283737CD@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20041012121508.45873.qmail@web41902.mail.yahoo.com> You need to run a Wins server on the main part of the network. You could have your LTSP server be the wins server. Samba does this very well. Dave ---------------------------------------------- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 16:26:15 +1300 From: "Krsnendu dasa" Subject: [K12OSN] Samba problem To: Message-ID: <200410120326.i9C3Prot002574 at dbmail-mx10.orcon.net.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" How do setup samba on K12LTSP so I can plug my WinXP laptop into the K12LTSP (eth0, 192.168.0.) subnet and still browse and access the files on the main subnet (eth1, 192.168.1.) I have manually set my laptop IP address as 192.168.0.20 same subnet mask etc. I am able to connect to the internet @ 192.168.1.1 However I cannot browse the shares on the main network. Any tips? --------------------------------------------- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From penguintiz at yahoo.com Tue Oct 12 12:29:21 2004 From: penguintiz at yahoo.com (David Tisdell) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 05:29:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 8, Issue 37 In-Reply-To: <20041012022220.4AE2A73688@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20041012122921.60386.qmail@web41901.mail.yahoo.com> Guy, No it's not necessary for ncpfs to work. I have the legacy of having used Native File Access for UNIX and have some NFS mounts that already have permissions set based on UIDs and GIDs that are in edirectory. If you never used Native File Access, then there is nothing to worry about. I wrote to Petr Vandrovec (the ncpfs package maintainer) about this and he had this to say: Try adding -u1000,10000,rn,gcsd (and eventually -g1000,10000,rn for groups). 1000-10000 is range allowed for UIDs (and GIDs for -g...) stored in NDS. rn says that when UID specified in NDS is occupied, no user should be created locally (pn assigns an unused number to the user in such case; if you want uniform environment across systems, you want rn). gcsd says that all user's properties in /etc/passwd should be regulary updated from NDS on each user login. By default standard UNIX attributes are used: UNIX:UID, UNIX:Primary GroupName, UNIX:Primary GroupID, UNIX:GID, UNIX:Login Shell, UNIX:Comments and UNIX:Home Directory. Or you can use special values of L (Location) attribute: U:XXXX to set uid, G:XXXX to set gid by number, P:XXXX to set gid by name, H:XXXX for home directory, S:XXXX for shell, C:XXXX for gecos, O:XXXX for supplemental group(s) and Z:XXXX to set ZENFlags (see pam_ncp_auth.c source for ZENFlags explanation/values - it is just 32 booleans you can use for modifying pam-ncp behavior). Hope this helps. Petr I am going to try and implement his suggestions today and see what happens. I'll let you know the result. Dave _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Oct 12 13:14:44 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 09:14:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Improve loading time for OOo In-Reply-To: <416B4142.7060908@inlandlakes.org> References: <416B36F1.9000600@redjocks.com> < > <932609800410111851ba3997e@mail.gmail.com> < > <416B3FC5.7090402@redjocks.com> <416B4142.7060908@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, October 11, 2004 at 10:28 PM +0000 wrote: >Whoa... Maybe it's my server hardware, but I have about 75-80 >concurrent users on my server all day. Dual 3.2Ghz Xeon, 4GB RAM, GigE, >/home mounted over second GigE via NFS. Startup time is actually 6-7 >seconds from clicking the icon to typing in a document (I just vnc'd >into my server to time it). > >What sort of startup time is normal? Am I blessed? Does my hardware >make that much of a difference? I'm using icewm and XDM so that users >can't choose to use gnome or kde... > >Shawn Hmmmm....I used to have the same type of start times, but now I don't....I'm wondering if the hosts file thing is causing it. I too have 30+ second times regardless and I'm using gigabit. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From webmaster at vol.org Tue Oct 12 13:07:11 2004 From: webmaster at vol.org (george kocke) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 08:07:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Upgrade to Mozilla 1.7.3 on 3.1.2? In-Reply-To: <416B4E23.3060501@telus.net> References: <416B4E23.3060501@telus.net> Message-ID: <1097586431.1579.4.camel@tardis.london.volnet> On Mon, 2004-10-11 at 22:23, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > Can I upgrade to Mozilla 1.7.3 for my school server running K12LTSP > 3.1.2 (Redhat 9) using the k12linux FC2 yum update repository? Compile your own. I've done it a number of times on a K12LTSP 3.1.2 system. The following was helpful: http://www.thehaus.net/AltOS/Linux/ht-compilemozilla.shtml -- george kocke ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ From petre at maltzen.net Tue Oct 12 13:22:36 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 08:22:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Woe is me: Onboard SCSI/RAID Controller In-Reply-To: <416BC0D7.1040504@redeemer.qld.edu.au> References: <416BC0D7.1040504@redeemer.qld.edu.au> Message-ID: <416BDA9C.4080401@maltzen.net> One idea to consider: if, as Les recommended, you try to install K12LTSP and it does not work with the on-board SCSI controller, you might just buy another SCSI controller card and use that instead. You *should* be able to disable the on-board SCSI. That way you can still use the system; it's only the SCSI controller that's apt to give you problems, so just replace that part, effectively. I think you can get a good SCSI RAID controller for about $150, perhaps less. Petre Debbie Schiel wrote: > Les Bell wrote: > >> Brian Chase wrote: >> >> >> It sounds >> like you went off and bought a motherboard and now that you've found it >> doesn't support a particular version of Redhat, you're completely >> willing to change your original plan. Not a good idea. >> << >> >> In all fairness to Debbie, she probably saw some Acer Altos blurb that >> said >> "supports Red Hat Linux, supports SuSE Linux", etc. I got caught the same >> way - bought a couple of Acer Altos G301 servers for a school, on the >> understanding that Red Hat 7.3 and 8.0 were supported (and 9 shouldn't >> be a >> problem, you'd think) - only to find out that the on-board RAID >> controller >> was a MegaIDE chipset that only has precompiled binary drivers and only >> supports the kernel supplied on the RH 7.3 and 8.0 CD-ROMs. If you >> want to >> download and use a later official RH kernel, as a bug fix or security >> patch, tough - you're out of luck. Acer tech support were less than >> helpful >> - they had shipped a driver and as far as they were concerned, that was >> Linux support and if I didn't like it, I knew what I could do. . . . >> > > Thanks Les & Brian for your advice. > > Unfortunately I was not the one responsible for buying the server. If I > was I would've chosen something different. Some guys down in ACT (home > of Samba) who were trialling K12ltsp gave me recommended hardware specs > from their supplier specifically for K12ltsp. And my school got another > quote from a different (non-linux) source. During the holidays in my > absence they (the ones with the money & the final say) bought the Acer > server from this other supplier. I am the IT co-ordinator/teacher by the > way, but we're a small independant school and I don't feel like I can > grumble about all the money spent on this server (even though I wish we > could take the Acer back to the supplier this instant!) > > So I'll follow your suggestions, and try an install of K12ltsp on the > Acer this weekend. Hopefully I'll have some good news to report! > > Debbie From bear2bar at netscape.net Tue Oct 12 13:41:02 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 09:41:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Cant get server to find floppy drive In-Reply-To: <200410120314.i9C3ESQm008352@ms-smtp-02-eri0.socal.rr.com> References: <200410120314.i9C3ESQm008352@ms-smtp-02-eri0.socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <416BDEEE.6020408@netscape.net> Hi, First do a "chmod 777 /mnt/floppy" then try your mount "mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy" The "errors" you're getting are OK 1) it's just that your CDROM is read only - normal 2) but the floppy is also read only - not usual unless it's write protected 3) superblock would imply that there's a problem with the floppy .... try a freshly formatted floppy disk from a Windows machine. It could also be that the floppy was not formatted under Windows .... norbert wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of norbert > Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 4:55 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Cant get server to find floppy drive > > > > Hi, > > Just cd to mnt and type mkdir floppy then check the permissions on > /mnt/floppy. > However it is strange that yuo don't already have that directory.... > > norbert > > [Wilson ] > > Okay, New error message. Is the permissions correct on the floppy > directory? Output below: > > > > [root at server mnt]# mkdir floppy > > [root at server mnt]# ls -al > > total 16 > > drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 Oct 11 17:11 . > > drwxr-xr-x 22 root root 4096 Oct 9 20:55 .. > > drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Oct 7 20:43 cdrom > > drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Oct 11 17:11 floppy > > [root at server mnt]# mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy > > mount: block device /dev/fd0 is write-protected, mounting read-only > > mount: /dev/fd0: can't read superblock > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Oct 12 13:47:54 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 09:47:54 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Woe is me: Onboard SCSI/RAID Controller In-Reply-To: <416BDA9C.4080401@maltzen.net> References: <416BC0D7.1040504@redeemer.qld.edu.au> <416BDA9C.4080401@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <416BE08A.8000507@cmosnetworks.com> That's actually not a bad idea at all. I just checked out Adaptec's Web page, and their 2100S, 3200S, and 3400S "are all supported under Linux." I have an old Dell with an Adaptec RAID card; this box is running OpenBSD 3.5, which saw the RAID card very nicely and is using said array. --TP Petre Scheie wrote: > One idea to consider: if, as Les recommended, you try to install > K12LTSP and it does not work with the on-board SCSI controller, you > might just buy another SCSI controller card and use that instead. You > *should* be able to disable the on-board SCSI. That way you can still > use the system; it's only the SCSI controller that's apt to give you > problems, so just replace that part, effectively. I think you can get > a good SCSI RAID controller for about $150, perhaps less. > > Petre > > Debbie Schiel wrote: > >> Les Bell wrote: >> >>> Brian Chase wrote: >>> >>> >>> It sounds >>> like you went off and bought a motherboard and now that you've found it >>> doesn't support a particular version of Redhat, you're completely >>> willing to change your original plan. Not a good idea. >>> << >>> >>> In all fairness to Debbie, she probably saw some Acer Altos blurb >>> that said >>> "supports Red Hat Linux, supports SuSE Linux", etc. I got caught the >>> same >>> way - bought a couple of Acer Altos G301 servers for a school, on the >>> understanding that Red Hat 7.3 and 8.0 were supported (and 9 >>> shouldn't be a >>> problem, you'd think) - only to find out that the on-board RAID >>> controller >>> was a MegaIDE chipset that only has precompiled binary drivers and only >>> supports the kernel supplied on the RH 7.3 and 8.0 CD-ROMs. If you >>> want to >>> download and use a later official RH kernel, as a bug fix or security >>> patch, tough - you're out of luck. Acer tech support were less than >>> helpful >>> - they had shipped a driver and as far as they were concerned, that was >>> Linux support and if I didn't like it, I knew what I could do. . . . >>> >> >> Thanks Les & Brian for your advice. >> >> Unfortunately I was not the one responsible for buying the server. If >> I was I would've chosen something different. Some guys down in ACT >> (home of Samba) who were trialling K12ltsp gave me recommended >> hardware specs from their supplier specifically for K12ltsp. And my >> school got another quote from a different (non-linux) source. During >> the holidays in my absence they (the ones with the money & the final >> say) bought the Acer server from this other supplier. I am the IT >> co-ordinator/teacher by the way, but we're a small independant school >> and I don't feel like I can grumble about all the money spent on this >> server (even though I wish we could take the Acer back to the >> supplier this instant!) >> >> So I'll follow your suggestions, and try an install of K12ltsp on the >> Acer this weekend. Hopefully I'll have some good news to report! >> >> Debbie > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From bear2bar at netscape.net Tue Oct 12 13:52:07 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 09:52:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] apt-get and yum repositories In-Reply-To: References: <4158406E.2010100@netscape.net> Message-ID: <416BE187.6090605@netscape.net> HI, The upgrade from 4.0.1 to 4.1 works great but NOT online ! Download & burn yourself a set of 4.1.1 CDs & then do the upgrade, of course backup anything important . good luck norbert simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us wrote: >I am using FC1 and the stuff provided here won't work. I tried >substituting fc1 where fc2 was and it would not work. > >Can I do an online upgrade to fc2 right on top of fc1 and how would I do >that? > >Thanks > > >Doug Simpson >Technology Specialist >DeQueen Public Schools >DeQueen, AR 71832 >simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >Tux for President! > >On Mon, 27 Sep 2004, David Trask wrote: > > > >>"Support list for opensource software in schools." on >>Monday, September 27, 2004 at 12:31 PM +0000 wrote: >> >> >>>>I did updates and one of the updates included apt and since then the >>>>repositories are messed up. >>>> >>>>Can anyone tell me where to set the correct repositories for apt and yum? >>>> >>>>I need the files on the server and also the stuff to change in them. >>>> >>>> >>Assuming you are using the current version of K12LTSP...if not you'll need >>the correct settings. Anyway...these are changed in >>/etc/apt/sources.list.d/k12ltsp.list >> >># K12LTSP Repository >>rpm ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/ apt/fc2 k12ltsp os updates non-free >>extras meta >>rpm-src ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/ apt/fc2 k12ltsp os updates non-free >>extras meta >> >>Hope this helps :-) >> >>David N. Trask >>Technology Teacher/Coordinator >>Vassalboro Community School >>dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >>(207)923-3100 >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pvdw at criticalcontrol.com Tue Oct 12 14:36:31 2004 From: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com (Pete) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 08:36:31 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] HD boot-Format 1722kb floppy on Fedora Core 2 In-Reply-To: <20041011002224.KTPP13668.mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz@Nendu> References: <20041011002224.KTPP13668.mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz@Nendu> Message-ID: <416BEBEF.40101@criticalcontrol.com> There is an image of a Tom's Root Boot disk at : http://ltsp.criticalcontrol.com/trbd.img Peter Krsnendu dasa wrote: >I tried doing cat to hard drive from floppy but I kept getting garbage on >the screen, so I attached the destination HD and did >$ cat eb-5.2.5-yournic.zdsk > /dev/hdc >but when I try to boot from the hard drive it get the following messages. > >Loading ROM image. >8000 AX:0208 BX:0000 CX 0002 D:0000 >. >8000 AX:0208 BX:0000 CX 0002 D:0000 >. >8000 AX:0208 BX:0000 CX 0002 D:0000 >. >8000 AX:0208 BX:0000 CX 0002 D:0000 >. > >What does this mean? > >I was able to boot this machine using a floppy previously but I started >repeatedly getting a similar message. I thought it was a floppy drive >problem so I decided to try using HD boot. > >I also have other machines that show the same kind of problems. > >Any advice. > >Will it work better if I use the more complex zlilo method? > > From petre at maltzen.net Tue Oct 12 14:42:50 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 09:42:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Woe is me: Onboard SCSI/RAID Controller In-Reply-To: <416BDA9C.4080401@maltzen.net> References: <416BC0D7.1040504@redeemer.qld.edu.au> <416BDA9C.4080401@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <416BED6A.6060401@maltzen.net> I was over optimistic in the cost of a SCSI RAID controller. Looking at pricewatch.com, while a plain Adaptec SCSI controller can be had for under $150, getting RAID bumps the price up to the $300-$400+ range. Petre Petre Scheie wrote: > One idea to consider: if, as Les recommended, you try to install K12LTSP > and it does not work with the on-board SCSI controller, you might just > buy another SCSI controller card and use that instead. You *should* be > able to disable the on-board SCSI. That way you can still use the > system; it's only the SCSI controller that's apt to give you problems, > so just replace that part, effectively. I think you can get a good SCSI > RAID controller for about $150, perhaps less. > > Petre > > Debbie Schiel wrote: > >> Les Bell wrote: >> >>> Brian Chase wrote: >>> >>> >>> It sounds >>> like you went off and bought a motherboard and now that you've found it >>> doesn't support a particular version of Redhat, you're completely >>> willing to change your original plan. Not a good idea. >>> << >>> >>> In all fairness to Debbie, she probably saw some Acer Altos blurb >>> that said >>> "supports Red Hat Linux, supports SuSE Linux", etc. I got caught the >>> same >>> way - bought a couple of Acer Altos G301 servers for a school, on the >>> understanding that Red Hat 7.3 and 8.0 were supported (and 9 >>> shouldn't be a >>> problem, you'd think) - only to find out that the on-board RAID >>> controller >>> was a MegaIDE chipset that only has precompiled binary drivers and only >>> supports the kernel supplied on the RH 7.3 and 8.0 CD-ROMs. If you >>> want to >>> download and use a later official RH kernel, as a bug fix or security >>> patch, tough - you're out of luck. Acer tech support were less than >>> helpful >>> - they had shipped a driver and as far as they were concerned, that was >>> Linux support and if I didn't like it, I knew what I could do. . . . >>> >> >> Thanks Les & Brian for your advice. >> >> Unfortunately I was not the one responsible for buying the server. If >> I was I would've chosen something different. Some guys down in ACT >> (home of Samba) who were trialling K12ltsp gave me recommended >> hardware specs from their supplier specifically for K12ltsp. And my >> school got another quote from a different (non-linux) source. During >> the holidays in my absence they (the ones with the money & the final >> say) bought the Acer server from this other supplier. I am the IT >> co-ordinator/teacher by the way, but we're a small independant school >> and I don't feel like I can grumble about all the money spent on this >> server (even though I wish we could take the Acer back to the supplier >> this instant!) >> >> So I'll follow your suggestions, and try an install of K12ltsp on the >> Acer this weekend. Hopefully I'll have some good news to report! >> >> Debbie > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Tue Oct 12 14:59:43 2004 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 08:59:43 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] two more netware/linux questions In-Reply-To: <416B3EFB.9B8CA7D1@coll-outao.qc.ca> References: <20041012000517.85627.qmail@web41908.mail.yahoo.com> <416B3EFB.9B8CA7D1@coll-outao.qc.ca> Message-ID: <416BF15F.9060908@chinooksedge.ab.ca> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bear2bar at netscape.net Tue Oct 12 15:00:45 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 11:00:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Woe is me: Onboard SCSI/RAID Controller In-Reply-To: <416BED6A.6060401@maltzen.net> References: <416BC0D7.1040504@redeemer.qld.edu.au> <416BDA9C.4080401@maltzen.net> <416BED6A.6060401@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <416BF19D.3050703@netscape.net> Hi, To keep costs down while still getting a RAID, try the RAID SW that comes with linux. Granted it's not a HW RAID but if works very well although figuring out how to configure it might be a challenge.... norbert petre at maltzen.net wrote: > I was over optimistic in the cost of a SCSI RAID controller. Looking > at pricewatch.com, while a plain Adaptec SCSI controller can be had > for under $150, getting RAID bumps the price up to the $300-$400+ range. > > Petre > > Petre Scheie wrote: > >> One idea to consider: if, as Les recommended, you try to install >> K12LTSP and it does not work with the on-board SCSI controller, you >> might just buy another SCSI controller card and use that instead. >> You *should* be able to disable the on-board SCSI. That way you can >> still use the system; it's only the SCSI controller that's apt to >> give you problems, so just replace that part, effectively. I think >> you can get a good SCSI RAID controller for about $150, perhaps less. >> >> Petre >> >> Debbie Schiel wrote: >> >>> Les Bell wrote: >>> >>>> Brian Chase wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> It sounds >>>> like you went off and bought a motherboard and now that you've >>>> found it >>>> doesn't support a particular version of Redhat, you're completely >>>> willing to change your original plan. Not a good idea. >>>> << >>>> >>>> In all fairness to Debbie, she probably saw some Acer Altos blurb >>>> that said >>>> "supports Red Hat Linux, supports SuSE Linux", etc. I got caught >>>> the same >>>> way - bought a couple of Acer Altos G301 servers for a school, on the >>>> understanding that Red Hat 7.3 and 8.0 were supported (and 9 >>>> shouldn't be a >>>> problem, you'd think) - only to find out that the on-board RAID >>>> controller >>>> was a MegaIDE chipset that only has precompiled binary drivers and >>>> only >>>> supports the kernel supplied on the RH 7.3 and 8.0 CD-ROMs. If you >>>> want to >>>> download and use a later official RH kernel, as a bug fix or security >>>> patch, tough - you're out of luck. Acer tech support were less than >>>> helpful >>>> - they had shipped a driver and as far as they were concerned, that >>>> was >>>> Linux support and if I didn't like it, I knew what I could do. . . . >>>> >>> >>> Thanks Les & Brian for your advice. >>> >>> Unfortunately I was not the one responsible for buying the server. >>> If I was I would've chosen something different. Some guys down in >>> ACT (home of Samba) who were trialling K12ltsp gave me recommended >>> hardware specs from their supplier specifically for K12ltsp. And my >>> school got another quote from a different (non-linux) source. During >>> the holidays in my absence they (the ones with the money & the final >>> say) bought the Acer server from this other supplier. I am the IT >>> co-ordinator/teacher by the way, but we're a small independant >>> school and I don't feel like I can grumble about all the money spent >>> on this server (even though I wish we could take the Acer back to >>> the supplier this instant!) >>> >>> So I'll follow your suggestions, and try an install of K12ltsp on >>> the Acer this weekend. Hopefully I'll have some good news to report! >>> >>> Debbie >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Tue Oct 12 16:00:47 2004 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 10:00:47 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] two more netware/linux questions In-Reply-To: <416B3EFB.9B8CA7D1@coll-outao.qc.ca> References: <20041012000517.85627.qmail@web41908.mail.yahoo.com> <416B3EFB.9B8CA7D1@coll-outao.qc.ca> Message-ID: <416BFFAF.20306@chinooksedge.ab.ca> No the UID and GID can be dynamically created. I have integrated eDirectory and LTSP and I only enter the new users in to Novell eDirectory ... all the rest happens automatically on the LTSP when a new user logs in for the first time. I hope this helps, as this syntax was a key break-through when I set up my Netware / LTSP integration. Joe Guenther = = = = = = = copy of portion of system-auth file = = = = = = = = ## note this following line is ALL ONE LINE - there is not line break auth sufficient /lib/security/pam_ncp_auth.so nullok use_first_pass ndsserver=DBHSNS1:ou=dbhs.ou=CerdS.o=CE,ou=2005.ou=dbhs.ou=CerdS,ou=2006.ou=dbhs.ou=CerdS,ou=2007.ou=dbhs.ou=CerdS.o=CE,ou=2008.ou=dbhs.ou=CerdS.o=CE -a -d -L -u2000,4000,pn,gcd -g2000,4000,pn -A ## the -a switch seemed to make it magically create a new user in Linux ## from an existing Novell account ## # -zA = automount # -A = "Notice the -A argument is necessary for TCP/IP operation and you do not have to load the IPX protocol" # -d : turn on debugging output # -v : display reasons login failures on terminal (default) # -q : do not display login failures # -s : disallow SUPERVISOR from logging-in # -S : disallow SUPERVISOR equivalent from logging-in (NYI) # -uMIN,MAX,CFLAGS,MFLAGS : parameters for user creation # -gMIN,MAX,CFLAGS : parameters for group creation # # r : When creating user, it must take uid from UNIX:UID property. If uid # is already used, or object does not have UNIX:UID property, user is # not allowed to login. # p : When creating user, preffer uid from UNIX:UID property. # n : When inventing uid for new user, take one which is one greater than # highest used uid in MIN,MAX range. # f : When inventing uid #auth sufficient pam_stack.so service=system-authfor new user, take first unused in MIN,MAX range. # If you specify both 'r' and 'p', or both 'n' and 'f', behavior is undefined. # # User modification is enabled by non-empty MFLAGS option in -u parameter. # MFLAGS can consist of one or more following letters: # g : Update user's primary gid according to NDS database. # c : Update user's gecos (comment, full name) according to NDS database. # d : Update user's home directory according to NDS database. # s : Update user's shell according to NDS database. # # If -g,,r or -g,,p is specified, group's UNIX:GID attribute is read from NDS. # If attribute does not exist,and 'r' was not used, new gid is invented according # to min, max and n/f values in -g option. # # If -u,,r or -u,,p is specified, user's UNIX:UID attribute is read from NDS. # If attribute does not exist,and 'r' was not used, new uid is invented according # to min, max and n/f values in -g option. # # During user creation, home directory is retrieved from UNIX:Home Directory, # login shell from UNIX:Login Shell. If UNIX:Home Directory does not exist, # /home/$cn is used as home directory for user. If UNIX:Login Shell does not exist, # /bin/bash is used. Guy Lessard wrote: >Is setting UID and GID necessary in eDirectory for ncpfs to work?, i >did'nt add a single ID to anyone or is this mandatory to maintain the >K12 servers and Native file access operational? > >As for squid/edirectory, i dont know of any solution. > >David Tisdell a ?crit : > > > >>Hi all, >>Guy Lessard has been helping me out (and doing a great >>job) but if anyone has any other insight feel free to >>chime in. I want to raise 2 separate issues: >>1) With Guy's help, I am switching over to ncpfs. I >>had been running Novell's native file access for Unix >>but ran into an unsolvable problem and decided to >>abandon it in favor of ncpfs. We assigned all of our >>users UID numbers and a default GID in the unix tab in >>consoleone. Even though unix info is entered into >>edirectory, ncpfs doesn't seem to be picking up on it >>consistently. I had a few select people using Native >>File access for UNIX since the beginning of last >>school year. Those UIDS seem to get picked up by >>ncpfs. We added the rest of the student body this >>summer. Those newer UIDS don't seem to be seen by >>ncpfs. I downloaded and installed the ncpfs snapins >>for nwadmn32. I then viewed a couple of users that had >>Unix ids from last year and the Unix information was >>identical to whay I see in Consoleone. I then viewed a >>couple of users that we added UIDS for this summer and >>though the unix info could be seen in Consoleone, it >>didn't show up in the ncpfs snapins for nwadmn32. I >>did upgrade from Netware6 to 6.5 this summer and the >>UIDs were added after the 6.5 upgrade. I also read >>somewhere that Novell completely rewrote Native File >>Access for Unix in 6.5. This may be the root of the >>issue. I just want to make sure UIDs are consistent >>across multiple K12LTSP servers and that no one loses >>access to anything that I might have to spend time >>chasing down. >>2) The second issue is: Has anyone turned on >>authentication in squid and had it authenticate >>against edirectory? I have tried to use LDAP for this >>but haven't been successful. There was a doc on >>Novell's cool solution web site but much of the syntax >>in it was incorrect. I haven't gotten it to work. I >>was wondering if I could use ncpfs in place of LDAP if >>no one has any insight on how to get this to work via >>LDAP. Thanks. >>Dave >> >> >>__________________________________ >>Do you Yahoo!? >>Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. >>http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > Guy Lessard wrote: >Is setting UID and GID necessary in eDirectory for ncpfs to work?, i >did'nt add a single ID to anyone or is this mandatory to maintain the >K12 servers and Native file access operational? > >As for squid/edirectory, i dont know of any solution. > >David Tisdell a ?crit : > > > >>Hi all, >>Guy Lessard has been helping me out (and doing a great >>job) but if anyone has any other insight feel free to >>chime in. I want to raise 2 separate issues: >>1) With Guy's help, I am switching over to ncpfs. I >>had been running Novell's native file access for Unix >>but ran into an unsolvable problem and decided to >>abandon it in favor of ncpfs. We assigned all of our >>users UID numbers and a default GID in the unix tab in >>consoleone. Even though unix info is entered into >>edirectory, ncpfs doesn't seem to be picking up on it >>consistently. I had a few select people using Native >>File access for UNIX since the beginning of last >>school year. Those UIDS seem to get picked up by >>ncpfs. We added the rest of the student body this >>summer. Those newer UIDS don't seem to be seen by >>ncpfs. I downloaded and installed the ncpfs snapins >>for nwadmn32. I then viewed a couple of users that had >>Unix ids from last year and the Unix information was >>identical to whay I see in Consoleone. I then viewed a >>couple of users that we added UIDS for this summer and >>though the unix info could be seen in Consoleone, it >>didn't show up in the ncpfs snapins for nwadmn32. I >>did upgrade from Netware6 to 6.5 this summer and the >>UIDs were added after the 6.5 upgrade. I also read >>somewhere that Novell completely rewrote Native File >>Access for Unix in 6.5. This may be the root of the >>issue. I just want to make sure UIDs are consistent >>across multiple K12LTSP servers and that no one loses >>access to anything that I might have to spend time >>chasing down. >>2) The second issue is: Has anyone turned on >>authentication in squid and had it authenticate >>against edirectory? I have tried to use LDAP for this >>but haven't been successful. There was a doc on >>Novell's cool solution web site but much of the syntax >>in it was incorrect. I haven't gotten it to work. I >>was wondering if I could use ncpfs in place of LDAP if >>no one has any insight on how to get this to work via >>LDAP. Thanks. >>Dave >> >> >>__________________________________ >>Do you Yahoo!? >>Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. >>http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tue Oct 12 16:02:34 2004 From: gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk (Gavin Spurgeon) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:02:34 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] two more netware/linux questions References: <20041012000517.85627.qmail@web41908.mail.yahoo.com><416B3EFB.9B8CA7D1@coll-outao.qc.ca> <416BF15F.9060908@chinooksedge.ab.ca> Message-ID: <002301c4b074$e2e3eea0$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Hi All.... I made a Small HOWTO of how to set this all up a short while ago, located @ http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net/k12ltsp/netware.htm My Site has a few other HOWTOz I made.. check them out @ http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net Best Regards Gavin Spurgeon Assistant Systems Administrator gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tel: 01322 620400 DDI: 01322 620501 IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 ############################################# Unofficial K12LTSP HOWTOz & Extraz Site (http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net) ############################################# From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Tue Oct 12 17:34:24 2004 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 13:34:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] GDM Timed/Autologin solved Message-ID: <1097602464.22616.10.camel@discovery.media.local> I've figured out my GDM issue... just prevent the script from echoing anything if you don't want that display to autologin...ie: gdm.conf: TimedLogin=/usr/local/bin/autologin.sh| and make autologin.sh so that if the system/display is one to be autologin, it echos the user to use... otherwise it doesn't say a thing... and GDM doesn't do a thing. I used 75% or so of my setprinter.sh script to pull this off. So cool! Back to GDM themes! BTW, anyone have problems with GDM in graphical mode to thin-clients? Hope everyone had a nice weekend, and a good Columbus day if they had it off. Henry Burroughs Technology Director Hilton Head Preparatory School www.hhprep.org From linuxsys at davisny.edu Tue Oct 12 18:11:44 2004 From: linuxsys at davisny.edu (Calvin Park) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 14:11:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] No more web browser icon? Message-ID: <1097604704.24354.5.camel@localhost> Good afternoon all! I have an interesting question. One of my technicians last night was playing around on the server (something that won't continue happening) and managed to delete the web browser icon off of the quick launch bar at the bottom of the screen, as well as from the "internet" menu. Not only on his own desktop (I wouldn't care) but he somehow deleted it from ALL desktops. Any ideas on how to get the icon back? In the meantime I've pushed a Firefox icon to all desktops. Nevertheless, my boss wants the web browser icons back. -- Calvin Park Assistant for Linux Systems Computer Services Department Davis College: A Practical college of Bible and Ministry web: www.davisny.edu email: linuxsys at davisny.edu phone: 607.729.1581 ext 404 From robark at telus.net Tue Oct 12 18:19:26 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 11:19:26 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Woe is me: Onboard SCSI/RAID Controller In-Reply-To: <416BC0D7.1040504@redeemer.qld.edu.au> References: <416BC0D7.1040504@redeemer.qld.edu.au> Message-ID: <1097605166.416c202e3473b@webmail.telus.net> Hi Debbie, I have good news. I am using this SCSI controller chip AIC7902W with super stability/performance in my school. I researched the chip before I bought it. It has very affordable scsi performance. I got an intel server board with the chip. The docs say it supports HOST raid. However, Linux does NOT support Host Raid. Host raid is actually software raid for Windows (ITS NOT HARDWARE RAID). There are drivers for Windows to make it work but not for Linux. However, the linux kernel will support software raid using LVM, which is just as fast as some hardware raid setups. (Although I have not tried it, I know it's done when you setup your partitions) The beautiful aspect of the AIC7902W is that is has TWO scsi channels. So you can have the full throughput of each channel and raid them through the kernel. All I did was use one scsi drive for / and another for /home. I have not tried raid. I'm using k12ltsp 3.1.2 (redhat 9) and not 4.1.1 (FC2). 32 clients == no problem. A couple of notes. You MUST disable HostRaid in the bios for the controller to work with Linux. Also, I down graded each scsi channel to 160 mb/s instead of the 320 mb/s (default). The system was not fully stable at 320mb/s because of scsi driver issues. Don't worry though a new 10k rpm scsi drive only needs around 60 mb/s bandwidth. So you should be okay for about 3 drives/channel at full throttle for all of them (highly unlikely). I don't think you will ever need more than 6 scsi drives for k12ltsp. The driver for the kernel is written by Justin Gibbs. He had some issues/disagreements with James Bottomley (kernel maintainer) and Linus Torvalds. So he pulled the drivers before version 2.0.x from his site. The 2.6 series kernel has stable adaptec scsi aic79xx driver 1.3.x in it. But if you go with k12ltsp 4.0.1 (FC1 & kernel 2.4.22) or earlier you will have to use a driver update disk (DUD) from here (versin > 2.0) http://people.freebsd.org/~gibbs/linux/ these are stable too but the kernel maintainers are wary of them for technical reasons beyond my comprehension. This DUD disk has to be made with "dd" and must be used during installation of the OS in Expert mode. If you go with k12ltsp 4.1.1 (FC2) , no worries, it has stable scsi adaptec aic79xx driver 1.3.x built in since it comes with kernel 2.6.5 If I was you, I would go with k12ltsp 4.1.1 (FC2) from the beginning. It will be the easiest for you. I did not have this option when I started. Just don't forget to disable HostRaid in the SCSI bios and lower the throughput to 160mb/s for each channel and you should be good to go. Also make sure your scsi cables are high quality and terminated properly. Hope that helps Good luck BTW the drivers on adaptec/intel sites are very old (don't use them) Robert Arkiletian From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Tue Oct 12 21:54:06 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:54:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Woe is me: Onboard SCSI/RAID Controller In-Reply-To: <1097605166.416c202e3473b@webmail.telus.net> References: <416BC0D7.1040504@redeemer.qld.edu.au> <1097605166.416c202e3473b@webmail.telus.net> Message-ID: <416C527E.3020603@cfl.rr.com> I notice there's alot of discussion here about the different on-board RAID controllers. Most, if not all, SCSI controllers, on-board or otherwise, should be found by any Linux distributions. The problem you have is the RAID chipset manufacturers that are in bed with Microsoft and take hardware design shortcuts on the actual hardware RAID and borrow resources from the Windows OS. Promise Technologies is just one notorious for this with their onboard IDE RAID implementations. There's countless ways to approach this, as indicated by the variety of responses on this thread, but I'd give the idea of disabling the motherboard RAID a try and consider 3ware controller cards for real Hardware RAID in Linux if you're doing anything with IDE drives. My understanding is that the newest K12LTSP's come with SATA support does actually recognize an on-board Promise SATA chipset, but it would require specific checking on the chipset before money is spent. Robert Arkiletian wrote: >Hi Debbie, >I have good news. I am using this SCSI controller chip AIC7902W with super >stability/performance in my school. I researched the chip before I bought it. It >has very affordable scsi performance. > >I got an intel server board with the chip. The docs say it supports HOST raid. >However, Linux does NOT support Host Raid. Host raid is actually software raid >for Windows (ITS NOT HARDWARE RAID). There are drivers for Windows to make it >work but not for Linux. However, the linux kernel will support software raid >using LVM, which is just as fast as some hardware raid setups. (Although I have >not tried it, I know it's done when you setup your partitions) The beautiful >aspect of the AIC7902W is that is has TWO scsi channels. So you can have the >full throughput of each channel and raid them through the kernel. All I did was >use one scsi drive for / and another for /home. I have not tried raid. I'm using >k12ltsp 3.1.2 (redhat 9) and not 4.1.1 (FC2). 32 clients == no problem. > >A couple of notes. You MUST disable HostRaid in the bios for the controller to >work with Linux. Also, I down graded each scsi channel to 160 mb/s instead of >the 320 mb/s (default). The system was not fully stable at 320mb/s because of >scsi driver issues. Don't worry though a new 10k rpm scsi drive only needs >around 60 mb/s bandwidth. So you should be okay for about 3 drives/channel at >full throttle for all of them (highly unlikely). I don't think you will ever >need more than 6 scsi drives for k12ltsp. The driver for the kernel is written >by Justin Gibbs. He had some issues/disagreements with James Bottomley (kernel >maintainer) and Linus Torvalds. So he pulled the drivers before version 2.0.x >from his site. The 2.6 series kernel has stable adaptec scsi aic79xx driver >1.3.x in it. But if you go with k12ltsp 4.0.1 (FC1 & kernel 2.4.22) or earlier >you will have to use a driver update disk (DUD) from here (versin > 2.0) > >http://people.freebsd.org/~gibbs/linux/ > >these are stable too but the kernel maintainers are wary of them for technical >reasons beyond my comprehension. > >This DUD disk has to be made with "dd" and must be used during installation of >the OS in Expert mode. >If you go with k12ltsp 4.1.1 (FC2) , no worries, it has stable scsi adaptec >aic79xx driver 1.3.x built in since it comes with kernel 2.6.5 >If I was you, I would go with k12ltsp 4.1.1 (FC2) from the beginning. It will be >the easiest for you. I did not have this option when I started. Just don't >forget to disable HostRaid in the SCSI bios and lower the throughput to 160mb/s >for each channel and you should be good to go. Also make sure your scsi cables >are high quality and terminated properly. > >Hope that helps >Good luck > >BTW the drivers on adaptec/intel sites are very old (don't use them) > >Robert Arkiletian > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From mguerra at cariari.ucr.ac.cr Tue Oct 12 22:15:37 2004 From: mguerra at cariari.ucr.ac.cr (Mario Guerra) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 16:15:37 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Woe is me: Onboard SCSI/RAID Controller In-Reply-To: <416C527E.3020603@cfl.rr.com> References: <1097605166.416c202e3473b@webmail.telus.net> <416C527E.3020603@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <200410121615.37154.mguerra@cariari.ucr.ac.cr> El Martes, 12 de Octubre de 2004 03:54 PM, Brian Chase escribi?: > I notice there's alot of discussion here about the different on-board > RAID controllers. Most, if not all, SCSI controllers, on-board or > otherwise, should be found by any Linux distributions. The problem you > have is the RAID chipset manufacturers that are in bed with Microsoft > and take hardware design shortcuts on the actual hardware RAID and > borrow resources from the Windows OS. Promise Technologies is just one > notorious for this with their onboard IDE RAID implementations. > > There's countless ways to approach this, as indicated by the variety of > responses on this thread, but I'd give the idea of disabling the > motherboard RAID a try and consider 3ware controller cards for real > Hardware RAID in Linux if you're doing anything with IDE drives. My > understanding is that the newest K12LTSP's come with SATA support does > actually recognize an on-board Promise SATA chipset, but it would > require specific checking on the chipset before money is spent. > I understand why software modems exist. But software RAID?. It's exceedingly ridiculous. If you need RAID you need speed and reliability. In fact, I've witnessed HP RAID-over-IDE implementation. How absurd a concept. Mario Guerra From jkinz at kinz.org Tue Oct 12 22:20:09 2004 From: jkinz at kinz.org (Jeff Kinz) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 18:20:09 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Woe is me: Onboard SCSI/RAID Controller In-Reply-To: <200410121615.37154.mguerra@cariari.ucr.ac.cr>; from mguerra@cariari.ucr.ac.cr on Tue, Oct 12, 2004 at 04:15:37PM -0600 References: <1097605166.416c202e3473b@webmail.telus.net> <416C527E.3020603@cfl.rr.com> <200410121615.37154.mguerra@cariari.ucr.ac.cr> Message-ID: <20041012182009.A849@redline.comcast.net> On Tue, Oct 12, 2004 at 04:15:37PM -0600, Mario Guerra wrote: > I understand why software modems exist. But software RAID?. It's exceedingly > ridiculous. If you need RAID you need speed and reliability. No. The desire for RAID can come strictly for reliability. Speed is not always an issue. (Although I certainly want it ! :) ) It could also be desired strictly for the speed increase. -- Linux/Open Source. Your base belongs to you, free, forever. Idealism: "Realism applied over a longer time period" http://www.scaled.com/projects/tierone/ "Last one into space is a rotten egg!" Jeff Kinz, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. ~ ~ ~ ~ From les at futuresource.com Tue Oct 12 23:13:40 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 18:13:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Woe is me: Onboard SCSI/RAID Controller In-Reply-To: <200410121615.37154.mguerra@cariari.ucr.ac.cr> References: <1097605166.416c202e3473b@webmail.telus.net> <416C527E.3020603@cfl.rr.com> <200410121615.37154.mguerra@cariari.ucr.ac.cr> Message-ID: <1097622820.3684.11.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2004-10-12 at 17:15, Mario Guerra wrote: > I understand why software modems exist. But software RAID?. It's exceedingly > ridiculous. If you need RAID you need speed and reliability. In fact, I've > witnessed HP RAID-over-IDE implementation. How absurd a concept. You don't lose anything in speed or reliability if you do software RAID1 (full mirroring) on SCSI drives. They will do the writes in parallel and only one read. You trade off the cost of the disk space against a more expensive controller, but with the software version you can fairly easily clone a machine from half of its drives or recover data from a drive without needing a matching expensive controller. And you don't always need speed from a RAID. I use one for on-line backups where one drive is an internal IDE and the mirror is an external firewire drive that is periodically swapped for offsite storage. It's still faster than anything you could do with tapes. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From stegil at hotmail.com Wed Oct 13 00:30:35 2004 From: stegil at hotmail.com (steve gilmore) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:30:35 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] smp compiling Message-ID: For an smb server, would there be an advantage to not install the default rpm packages & default k12ltsp packages, but to compile them instead for multithreading to take advantage of the dual cpu's? ie ( make -j ) or (pmake) Steve G. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From stegil at hotmail.com Wed Oct 13 00:30:35 2004 From: stegil at hotmail.com (steve gilmore) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:30:35 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] smp compiling Message-ID: For an smb server, would there be an advantage to not install the default rpm packages & default k12ltsp packages, but to compile them instead for multithreading to take advantage of the dual cpu's? ie ( make -j ) or (pmake) Steve G. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From bear2bar at netscape.net Wed Oct 13 01:49:13 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 21:49:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] smp compiling In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <416C8999.9090705@netscape.net> Hi Steve, The default linux system already comes with support for multiple processors i.e. kernel 4.1.1smp (symetrical multi-processing) ! I've been running dual cpu K12ltsp since version 3.0.1 As for smb (samba) it doesn't care how many cpu are running. regards norbert stegil at hotmail.com wrote: > For an smb server, would there be an advantage to not install the > default rpm > packages & default k12ltsp packages, but to compile them instead for > multithreading to take advantage of the dual cpu's? ie ( make -j ) or > (pmake) > > Steve G. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's > FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From samps at redjocks.com Wed Oct 13 01:52:37 2004 From: samps at redjocks.com (Samps) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 11:22:37 +0930 Subject: [K12OSN] Improve loading time for OOo In-Reply-To: <416C89FF.6070004@redjocks.com> References: <416B36F1.9000600@redjocks.com> < > <932609800410111851ba3997e@mail.gmail.com> <416B3FC5.7090402@redjocks.com> <416C7D0A.9050202@redjocks.com> <416C831B.6070105@redjocks.com> <416C89FF.6070004@redjocks.com> Message-ID: <416C8A65.9050302@redjocks.com> David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Monday, October 11, 2004 at 10:21 PM +0000 wrote: > >> Hardware is dual AMD Athlon XP1700 w. 1Gb SDRAM, user homes exported > > >> from an E-smith SME server using NFS > > > I'm very curious as to how you're doing this. I'm a big E-Smith user, but > I'm using Samba/LDAP for my current setup. I'm able to get NFS and all > working on E-Smith as I have an E-Smith server being used for backups and > so forth with variuous NFS directories being mounted or exported. How are > you authenticating? Samba? > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > > > David, Sorry for the late reply... Sleeping took a bit longer than expected. I've replied to the list, as I thought there would be a general interest, please forgive me... Yes, Samba for authentication. The E-Smith is set up as a Domain Controller and we're using roaming profiles for the Windows clients. The LTSP servers have one NIC each and are all on the same switched subnet, along with 240 clients and some 10-11 other servers, mostly E-smiths. On the E-smith DC: Installed PORTMAP Installed NFS (older version, newer one refused to install) Created a folder, /home/e-smith/users/LTSPhomes exported /home/e-smith/files/users/LTSPhomes over NFS to our LTSP servers (having trouble making PORTMAP and NFS start up at start-up, still starting them manually) I have given up on getting LDAP to work for authentication, at least for now, I've spent too much time on it, compared to the expected outcome. Samba will have to do for now. On LTSPs (4.1.0): Set authentication to SMB, entered IP-addy of DC (just in case DNS ain't working), used the GUI 'Authentication Tool' for this. Added an entry /etc/fstab like: server-ip://home/e-smith/files/users/LTSPhomes /home nfs rw,udp 0 0 this ensures that /home is in one spot (the e-smith DC), regardless of which LTSP the user is currently using. Our internal IP-range has been split between our four LTSP servers, with about 500 addresses each, no overlap. The idea being that whichever server is fastest to answer a DHCP request is also the one best suited to serve the client asking. Not 'real' load balancing but it seems to work okay with the few clients that I have tried it with. Added a folder in /etc/skel, called H-Drive (our users are in the habit of saving their stuff to a drive representation... it's a Windows thing, don't ask ;-) and a hidden file called .creds.txt which is, initially, empty. Users data, residing on the e-smith DC, is mounted to their /home/H-Drive folder by a line added to GDM: /usr/bin/connect.sh the contents of which is: #!/bin/bash smbmount //DC-name/$USER /home/$USER/H-Drive -o uid=$USER,gid=$USER,credentials=./.creds.txt a launcher is added to /etc/skel/Desktop which points to connect.sh. When the launcher is called, smbmount will ask for the password for the users home-directory on the Samba e-smith DC and mount it on the /home/H-Drive folder. If the user adds a line like: password=users-samba-password in the .creds.txt file, the home directory will be added by GDM during logon, no questions asked. Tip from Mike Rambo, thanks Mike. The reason we are mounting stuff from other servers, using descriptors like 'H-Drive', is, that all our client computers are running Windows 2000 at the moment and we want to make it as transparent as possible for the users to switch between Windows and Linux, as all our PCs (bar a handful specialised Windows ones) will PXE-boot into K12LTSP unless the users interrupt this process, in which case they get a Windows 2000 loaded from the local disk. The beauty of this setup is: a)That we don't have to rush out and re-image a Windows installation, they can do most work on the K12LTSP b) Even as hardware fails (disks) the PC is still usable c) The K12LTSP is always 'fresh' (or can be made 'fresh' by the users themselves d) As the size and complexity of applications increase, the locally installed Windows suffers from hardware restrictions and the K12LTSP scales to suit e) In some areas, where the most unruly kids hang out, there won't be a possibility of booting to anything BUT K12LTSP f) We are able to use quite old hardware, which we actually buy as 'good second hand', so we get twice as many 'bums on seats' as we would if we had to constantly cater for the latest and greatest in locally installed Windows programmes. cheers Samps From samps at redjocks.com Wed Oct 13 02:12:54 2004 From: samps at redjocks.com (Samps) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 11:42:54 +0930 Subject: [K12OSN] Improve loading time for OOo In-Reply-To: References: <416B36F1.9000600@redjocks.com> <932609800410111851ba3997e@mail.gmail.com> <416B3FC5.7090402@redjocks.com> <416B4142.7060908@inlandlakes.org> <416B590B.9090004@redjocks.com> Message-ID: <416C8F26.4030109@redjocks.com> Burke Almquist wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > On Oct 11, 2004, at 11:09 PM, Samps wrote: > >> I'm using a single NIC LTSP-setup, 100mbps Ethernet, could it be 'net >> congestion' that results in OO load-up times around the 40-50 seconds? >> >> > > How much RAM, how many users? Of course it could be the network or 1 Gb of RAM and a handful of users. Server is not yet in the 'production line'. cheers Samps From HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG Wed Oct 13 02:19:01 2004 From: HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Burroughs, Henry) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:19:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Java Textbook! Message-ID: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D78420073F36@hhpmail.MEDIA.LOCAL> Does anyone have recommendations for a good Java Textbook with the following requirements (hopefully not mutally exclusive): Cheap for the students (I'm seeing $50-$60 range now) Has a teachers manual (solutions, test generator,etc) Good for both AP & Introduction to Java classes (hopefully book reuse between courses). Any suggesions, or books that even come close to a couple of the things I mentioned would be helpfull! Thanks so much for your help! Henry -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2483 bytes Desc: not available URL: From samps at redjocks.com Wed Oct 13 01:21:31 2004 From: samps at redjocks.com (Samps) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:51:31 +0930 Subject: [K12OSN] Improve loading time for OOo In-Reply-To: <416C7D0A.9050202@redjocks.com> References: <416B36F1.9000600@redjocks.com> < > <932609800410111851ba3997e@mail.gmail.com> <416B3FC5.7090402@redjocks.com> <416C7D0A.9050202@redjocks.com> Message-ID: <416C831B.6070105@redjocks.com> David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Monday, October 11, 2004 at 10:21 PM +0000 wrote: > >> Hardware is dual AMD Athlon XP1700 w. 1Gb SDRAM, user homes exported > > >> from an E-smith SME server using NFS > > > I'm very curious as to how you're doing this. I'm a big E-Smith user, but > I'm using Samba/LDAP for my current setup. I'm able to get NFS and all > working on E-Smith as I have an E-Smith server being used for backups and > so forth with variuous NFS directories being mounted or exported. How are > you authenticating? Samba? > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > > > David, Sorry for the late reply... Sleeping took a bit longer than expected. I've replied to the list, as I thought there would be a general interest, please forgive me... Yes, Samba for authentication. The E-Smith is set up as a Domain Controller and we're using roaming profiles for the Windows clients. The LTSP servers have one NIC each and are all on the same switched subnet, along with 240 clients and some 10-11 other servers, mostly E-smiths. On the E-smith DC: Installed PORTMAP Installed NFS (older version, newer one refused to install) Created a folder, /home/e-smith/users/LTSPhomes exported /home/e-smith/files/users/LTSPhomes over NFS to our LTSP servers (having trouble making PORTMAP and NFS start up at start-up, still starting them manually) I have given up on getting LDAP to work for authentication, at least for now, I've spent too much time on it, compared to the expected outcome. Samba will have to do for now. On LTSPs (4.1.0): Set authentication to SMB, entered IP-addy of DC (just in case DNS ain't working), used the GUI 'Authentication Tool' for this. Added an entry /etc/fstab like: server-ip://home/e-smith/files/users/LTSPhomes /home nfs rw,udp 0 0 this ensures that /home is in one spot (the e-smith DC), regardless of which LTSP the user is currently using. Our internal IP-range has been split between our four LTSP servers, with about 500 addresses each, no overlap. The idea being that whichever server is fastest to answer a DHCP request is also the one best suited to serve the client asking. Not 'real' load balancing but it seems to work okay with the few clients that I have tried it with. Added a folder in /etc/skel, called H-Drive (our users are in the habit of saving their stuff to a drive representation... it's a Windows thing, don't ask ;-) and a hidden file called .creds.txt which is, initially, empty. Users data, residing on the e-smith DC, is mounted to their /home/H-Drive folder by a line added to GDM: /usr/bin/connect.sh the contents of which is: #!/bin/bash smbmount //DC-name/$USER /home/$USER/H-Drive -o uid=$USER,gid=$USER,credentials=./.creds.txt a launcher is added to /etc/skel/Desktop which points to connect.sh. When the launcher is called, smbmount will ask for the password for the users home-directory on the Samba e-smith DC and mount it on the /home/H-Drive folder. If the user adds a line like: password=users-samba-password in the .creds.txt file, the home directory will be added by GDM during logon, no questions asked. Tip from Mike Rambo, thanks Mike. The reason we are mounting stuff from other servers, using descriptors like 'H-Drive', is, that all our client computers are running Windows 2000 at the moment and we want to make it as transparent as possible for the users to switch between Windows and Linux, as all our PCs (bar a handful specialised Windows ones) will PXE-boot into K12LTSP unless the users interrupt this process, in which case they get a Windows 2000 loaded from the local disk. The beauty of this setup is: a)That we don't have to rush out and re-image a Windows installation, they can do most work on the K12LTSP b) Even as hardware fails (disks) the PC is still usable c) The K12LTSP is always 'fresh' (or can be made 'fresh' by the users themselves d) As the size and complexity of applications increase, the locally installed Windows suffers from hardware restrictions and the K12LTSP scales to suit e) In some areas, where the most unruly kids hang out, there won't be a possibility of booting to anything BUT K12LTSP f) We are able to use quite old hardware, which we actually buy as 'good second hand', so we get twice as many 'bums on seats' as we would if we had to constantly cater for the latest and greatest in locally installed Windows programmes. cheers Samps From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Wed Oct 13 02:33:09 2004 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 21:33:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Woe is me: Onboard SCSI/RAID Controller In-Reply-To: <20041012182009.A849@redline.comcast.net> References: <1097605166.416c202e3473b@webmail.telus.net> <416C527E.3020603@cfl.rr.com> <200410121615.37154.mguerra@cariari.ucr.ac.cr> <20041012182009.A849@redline.comcast.net> Message-ID: <3894C7F6-1CC0-11D9-B984-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Oct 12, 2004, at 5:20 PM, Jeff Kinz wrote: > On Tue, Oct 12, 2004 at 04:15:37PM -0600, Mario Guerra wrote: >> I understand why software modems exist. But software RAID?. It's >> exceedingly >> ridiculous. If you need RAID you need speed and reliability. > > No. The desire for RAID can come strictly for reliability. Speed > is not always an issue. (Although I certainly want it ! :) ) > > It could also be desired strictly for the speed increase. > If you were doing it for the speed increase, then why would you be using IDE drives and software RAID? SCSI drives and Hardware controllers are going to provide much better performance. If you are doing it for reliability only, then why bother with pseudo-hardware RAID controllers, just use linux's built-in software RAID. It's probably more reliable than the pseudo-hardware stuff. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkFsk+UACgkQfqZR3ThMfXTI7gCeJT7AjU3QCaRukRqwUR8H4HiC ML8AoIcvkw54un1xQ1c10ugEMl9wqbGH =XjNL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From les at futuresource.com Wed Oct 13 03:04:09 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:04:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Improve loading time for OOo In-Reply-To: <416C831B.6070105@redjocks.com> References: <416B36F1.9000600@redjocks.com> < > <932609800410111851ba3997e@mail.gmail.com> <416B3FC5.7090402@redjocks.com> <416C7D0A.9050202@redjocks.com> <416C831B.6070105@redjocks.com> Message-ID: <1097636648.9841.7.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2004-10-12 at 20:21, Samps wrote: > On the E-smith DC: > > Installed PORTMAP > Installed NFS (older version, newer one refused to install) > > Created a folder, /home/e-smith/users/LTSPhomes > exported /home/e-smith/files/users/LTSPhomes over NFS to our LTSP servers > > (having trouble making PORTMAP and NFS start up at start-up, still > starting them manually) E-smith uses a non-standard runlevel 7. If you install stock RH rpms you would ordinarily use chkconfig --level 345 servicename on to make them start at boot by putting symlinks to the init scripts in the appropriate /etc/rc.d/rc?.d directories. The quick fix for e-smith is to go to /etc/rc.d/rc3.d and use 'cp -a' to copy the symlinks for the service to ../rc7.d so it will start at boot. (Modified e-smith rpms actually use a slightly more complicated scheme but this is good enough). --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From microman at cmosnetworks.com Wed Oct 13 03:36:32 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 23:36:32 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Woe is me: Onboard SCSI/RAID Controller In-Reply-To: <3894C7F6-1CC0-11D9-B984-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> References: <1097605166.416c202e3473b@webmail.telus.net> <416C527E.3020603@cfl.rr.com> <200410121615.37154.mguerra@cariari.ucr.ac.cr> <20041012182009.A849@redline.comcast.net> <3894C7F6-1CC0-11D9-B984-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> Message-ID: <416CA2C0.8050201@cmosnetworks.com> Burke Almquist wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > On Oct 12, 2004, at 5:20 PM, Jeff Kinz wrote: > >> On Tue, Oct 12, 2004 at 04:15:37PM -0600, Mario Guerra wrote: >> >>> I understand why software modems exist. But software RAID?. It's >>> exceedingly >>> ridiculous. If you need RAID you need speed and reliability. >> >> >> No. The desire for RAID can come strictly for reliability. Speed >> is not always an issue. (Although I certainly want it ! :) ) >> >> It could also be desired strictly for the speed increase. >> > > If you were doing it for the speed increase, then why would you be > using IDE drives and software RAID? SCSI drives and Hardware > controllers are going to provide much better performance. > > If you are doing it for reliability only, then why bother with > pseudo-hardware RAID controllers, just use linux's built-in software > RAID. It's probably more reliable than the pseudo-hardware stuff. In the last two weeks, I have set up three such RAID systems using the Linux kernel's built-in RAID. This was done once with K12LTSP 3.1.2 and twice with SuSE Linux 9.1. It really wasn't very hard at all; took me about 10 minutes to get the hang of what I was doing. Performance seems to be OK so far for major disk reads/writes. Today, I had the need to copy over 20GB of data from one ATA-133 disk over to a RAID 1 made of twin 120GB SATA drives, and though I didn't time it, it certainly "felt" fast enough. I can definitely say that setting up these three Linux-based software mirrors was easier than trying to find a "hardware SATA RAID" controller that works with the Linux kernel. For straight SATA, i. e. non-HW-RAID, I find Highpoint's RocketRAID 1520 controller up to the task and not very expensive ($69 at the local Micro Center). However, to avoid problems trying to use the second disk on this two-port controller, you'll need the 2.6 kernel. I know from experience that 2.6.5 and later works (SuSE Linux 9.1), so presumably it would also be fine with FC2 and K12LTSP 4.1.x. With the Linux software RAID on top of this, things turned out pretty sweet. --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From scott at hosef.org Wed Oct 13 03:37:05 2004 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:37:05 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Woe is me: Onboard SCSI/RAID Controller In-Reply-To: <3894C7F6-1CC0-11D9-B984-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> References: <1097605166.416c202e3473b@webmail.telus.net> <416C527E.3020603@cfl.rr.com> <200410121615.37154.mguerra@cariari.ucr.ac.cr> <20041012182009.A849@redline.comcast.net> <3894C7F6-1CC0-11D9-B984-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> Message-ID: <416CA2E1.2020902@hosef.org> Some metrics for hardware vs software raid http://lists.hosef.org/pipermail/hosef-managers/2004q2/001841.html We use a combination of both in our standard build. Software SCSI Raid for the System, 3ware SATA hardware raid for archiving and home. We have found that it is easiest to buy hot swappable cannisters. Our build list from NewEgg is here http://secure.newegg.com/app/WishR.asp?ID=904498 And we do not use the on-board sata headers. The dual gigabit nics, the third 10/100, and the scsi headers make this Tyan a good motherboard. It supports ZCR (zero channel raid) if the desire exists to use hardware scsi raid. --scott From sudev at mantraonline.com Wed Oct 13 03:47:52 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 09:17:52 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Woe is me: Onboard SCSI/RAID Controller In-Reply-To: <416BF19D.3050703@netscape.net> References: <416BC0D7.1040504@redeemer.qld.edu.au> <416BDA9C.4080401@maltzen.net> <416BED6A.6060401@maltzen.net> <416BF19D.3050703@netscape.net> Message-ID: <1097639272.12981.9.camel@server.ltsp> On Tue, 2004-10-12 at 20:30, norbert wrote: > To keep costs down while still getting a RAID, try the RAID SW that > comes with linux. Granted it's not a HW RAID but if works very well > although figuring out how to configure it might be a challenge.... No problem at all in setting up SW-RAID all you have to do is define first the drives that are going to be used for RAID and then partitions on the drives. The standard k12 install gives the option of setting up SW-RAID during disk partitioning. I just went ahead and used it no problems. Only issue is that the RAID can be configured with disks of same size or least sized disk would determine the size of storage. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From samps at redjocks.com Wed Oct 13 03:49:56 2004 From: samps at redjocks.com (Samps) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:19:56 +0930 Subject: [K12OSN] Improve loading time for OOo In-Reply-To: <1097636648.9841.7.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <416B36F1.9000600@redjocks.com> < > <932609800410111851ba3997e@mail.gmail.com> <416B3FC5.7090402@redjocks.com> <416C7D0A.9050202@redjocks.com> <416C831B.6070105@redjocks.com> <1097636648.9841.7.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <416CA5E4.6080507@redjocks.com> Les Mikesell wrote: > On Tue, 2004-10-12 at 20:21, Samps wrote: > > >>On the E-smith DC: >> >>Installed PORTMAP >>Installed NFS (older version, newer one refused to install) >> >>Created a folder, /home/e-smith/users/LTSPhomes >>exported /home/e-smith/files/users/LTSPhomes over NFS to our LTSP servers >> >>(having trouble making PORTMAP and NFS start up at start-up, still >>starting them manually) > > > E-smith uses a non-standard runlevel 7. If you install stock RH > rpms you would ordinarily use > chkconfig --level 345 servicename on > to make them start at boot by putting symlinks to the init scripts > in the appropriate /etc/rc.d/rc?.d directories. The quick fix > for e-smith is to go to /etc/rc.d/rc3.d and use 'cp -a' to > copy the symlinks for the service to ../rc7.d so it will > start at boot. (Modified e-smith rpms actually use a slightly > more complicated scheme but this is good enough). > > --- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > That did it! Thanks, I can strike that one of my list. :-) Samps From samps at redjocks.com Wed Oct 13 00:55:38 2004 From: samps at redjocks.com (Samps) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:25:38 +0930 Subject: [K12OSN] Improve loading time for OOo In-Reply-To: References: <416B36F1.9000600@redjocks.com> < > <932609800410111851ba3997e@mail.gmail.com> <416B3FC5.7090402@redjocks.com> Message-ID: <416C7D0A.9050202@redjocks.com> David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Monday, October 11, 2004 at 10:21 PM +0000 wrote: > >>Hardware is dual AMD Athlon XP1700 w. 1Gb SDRAM, user homes exported > >>from an E-smith SME server using NFS > > I'm very curious as to how you're doing this. I'm a big E-Smith user, but > I'm using Samba/LDAP for my current setup. I'm able to get NFS and all > working on E-Smith as I have an E-Smith server being used for backups and > so forth with variuous NFS directories being mounted or exported. How are > you authenticating? Samba? > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > > > David, Sorry for the late reply... Sleeping took a bit longer than expected. I've replied to the list, as I thought there would be a general interest, please forgive me... Yes, Samba for authentication. The E-Smith is set up as a Domain Controller and we're using roaming profiles for the Windows clients. The LTSP servers have one NIC each and are all on the same switched subnet, along with 240 clients and some 10-11 other servers, mostly E-smiths. On the E-smith DC: Installed PORTMAP Installed NFS (older version, newer one refused to install) Created a folder, /home/e-smith/users/LTSPhomes exported /home/e-smith/files/users/LTSPhomes over NFS to our LTSP servers (having trouble making PORTMAP and NFS start up at start-up, still starting them manually) I have given up on getting LDAP to work for authentication, at least for now, I've spent too much time on it, compared to the expected outcome. Samba will have to do for now. On LTSPs (4.1.0): Set authentication to SMB, entered IP-addy of DC (just in case DNS ain't working), used the GUI 'Authentication Tool' for this. Added an entry /etc/fstab like: server-ip://home/e-smith/files/users/LTSPhomes /home nfs rw,udp 0 0 this ensures that /home is in one spot (the e-smith DC), regardless of which LTSP the user is currently using. Our internal IP-range has been split between our four LTSP servers, with about 500 addresses each, no overlap. The idea being that whichever server is fastest to answer a DHCP request is also the one best suited to serve the client asking. Not 'real' load balancing but it seems to work okay with the few clients that I have tried it with. Added a folder in /etc/skel, called H-Drive (our users are in the habit of saving their stuff to a drive representation... it's a Windows thing, don't ask ;-) and a hidden file called .creds.txt which is, initially, empty. Users data, residing on the e-smith DC, is mounted to their /home/H-Drive folder by a line added to GDM: /usr/bin/connect.sh the contents of which is: #!/bin/bash smbmount //DC-name/$USER /home/$USER/H-Drive -o uid=$USER,gid=$USER,credentials=./.creds.txt a launcher is added to /etc/skel/Desktop which points to connect.sh. When the launcher is called, smbmount will ask for the password for the users home-directory on the Samba e-smith DC and mount it on the /home/H-Drive folder. If the user adds a line like: password=users-samba-password in the .creds.txt file, the home directory will be added by GDM during logon, no questions asked. Tip from Mike Rambo, thanks Mike. The reason we are mounting stuff from other servers, using descriptors like 'H-Drive', is, that all our client computers are running Windows 2000 at the moment and we want to make it as transparent as possible for the users to switch between Windows and Linux, as all our PCs (bar a handful specialised Windows ones) will PXE-boot into K12LTSP unless the users interrupt this process, in which case they get a Windows 2000 loaded from the local disk. The beauty of this setup is: a)That we don't have to rush out and re-image a Windows installation, they can do most work on the K12LTSP b) Even as hardware fails (disks) the PC is still usable c) The K12LTSP is always 'fresh' (or can be made 'fresh' by the users themselves d) As the size and complexity of applications increase, the locally installed Windows suffers from hardware restrictions and the K12LTSP scales to suit e) In some areas, where the most unruly kids hang out, there won't be a possibility of booting to anything BUT K12LTSP f) We are able to use quite old hardware, which we actually buy as 'good second hand', so we get twice as many 'bums on seats' as we would if we had to constantly cater for the latest and greatest in locally installed Windows programmes. cheers Samps From phealy at dsta.net Wed Oct 13 05:06:35 2004 From: phealy at dsta.net (Patrick Healy) Date: 12 Oct 2004 22:06:35 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Improve loading time for OOo Message-ID: <1097643995.12743.14.camel@orion> On Tue, Oct 12, 2004 at 11:14:17AM +0930, Samps wrote: > > Has anyone worked out such a hack for LTSP 4.1 and OOo 1.1.0? One of my talented students last year wrote this perl script named 'oquick' which has been working since last March on our k12ltsp 4.0 server it loads up a session which is then immediately moved to the background. We run IceWM exclusively, so the startup script below loads for every user that logs in. Not perfect but effective. [phealy at crux phealy]$ cat /usr/share/icewm/startup oquick 2>/dev/null & [phealy at crux phealy]$ cat /usr/bin/oquick #!/usr/bin/perl system("ooffice -draw -minimized &"); while (1){ $a = readpipe("xprop -name \"Untitled1 - OpenOffice.org 1.1.0 \""); if ($a ne ""){ if ($a ne "xprop: error: No window with name Untitled1 - OpenOffice.org 1.1.0 exists!\n"){ sleep 1; system("icesh -class \"VCLSalFrame\" setState 16 16"); exit; } } } [phealy at crux phealy]$ These kids really amaze me sometimes. Too bad that just when they're most useful, they go and graduate! Hope this helps -- Pat Healy Palm Desert High School phealy at dsusd.k12.ca.us From schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us Wed Oct 13 12:43:36 2004 From: schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us (Jimmy Schwankl) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 08:43:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: No more web browser icon? Message-ID: <800ABCA6-1D15-11D9-AE1A-000A95C48860@chatham.k12.nc.us> Calvin Park wrote: > One of my technicians last night was playing around on the server > (something that > won't continue happening) and managed to delete the web browser icon > off > of the quick launch bar at the bottom of the screen, as well as from > the > "internet" menu. Not only on his own desktop (I wouldn't care) but he > somehow deleted it from ALL desktops. Any ideas on how to get the icon > back? Calvin, You didn't say whether you are using Gnome, KDE, or Icewm. If you are using Icewm, I may be able to shed a little light. There is one menu that does the job for everyone, and then it is also possible to override that and have your own menu/toolbar if you have your own .icewm/ directory in your home directory. I believe that the global icewm menu/toolbar are in /etc/icewm/ At least, that's where they are in K21LTSP 3.12. They may have moved in 4.x, but you should still be able to find them. Try this command: locate icewm/toolbar Find that menu and toolbar and make the needed changes to them and all should be well. Then, if your tech wants to customize, have him copy them to a directory named .icewm/ in his home directory. Peace, Jimmy ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Q: Why did the tachyon cross the road? A: Because it was on the other side. From david at okgoodwill.org Wed Oct 13 13:18:28 2004 From: david at okgoodwill.org (David H. Barr) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 08:18:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Java Textbook! Message-ID: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E282119D4B@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> I had good luck with Deitel & Deitel, but a) that was a long time ago, b) I wasn't teaching it yet, I was taking it, and c) that was a long time ago. -dhbarr. Around Tuesday, October 12, 2004 9:19 PM:, Burroughs, Henry <> wrote: > Does anyone have recommendations for a good Java Textbook with the > following requirements (hopefully not mutally exclusive): > > Cheap for the students (I'm seeing $50-$60 range now) > Has a teachers manual (solutions, test generator,etc) > Good for both AP & Introduction to Java classes (hopefully book reuse > between courses). > > > Any suggesions, or books that even come close to a couple of the > things I mentioned would be helpfull! Thanks so much for your help! > > Henry From srmonson at gmail.com Wed Oct 13 13:21:24 2004 From: srmonson at gmail.com (Steve Monson) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 07:21:24 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Java Textbook! In-Reply-To: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D78420073F36@hhpmail.MEDIA.LOCAL> References: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D78420073F36@hhpmail.MEDIA.LOCAL> Message-ID: <7616b9d604101306211cc59e@mail.gmail.com> The *free* on-line book by Bruce Eckles is required reading where I work, and is available in print as well. It's called Thinking in Java, at http://www.mindview.net/Books/TIJ/. It's a very good introduction to OOP, and introduces Java classes/concepts with each chapter. I highly recommend it. Steve Monson On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:19:01 -0400, Burroughs, Henry wrote: > Does anyone have recommendations for a good Java Textbook with the following requirements (hopefully not mutally exclusive): > > Cheap for the students (I'm seeing $50-$60 range now) > Has a teachers manual (solutions, test generator,etc) > Good for both AP & Introduction to Java classes (hopefully book reuse between courses). > > Any suggesions, or books that even come close to a couple of the things I mentioned would be helpfull! Thanks so much for your help! > > Henry > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From jkinz at kinz.org Wed Oct 13 13:52:00 2004 From: jkinz at kinz.org (Jeff Kinz) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 09:52:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Java Textbook! In-Reply-To: <7616b9d604101306211cc59e@mail.gmail.com>; from srmonson@gmail.com on Wed, Oct 13, 2004 at 07:21:24AM -0600 References: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D78420073F36@hhpmail.MEDIA.LOCAL> <7616b9d604101306211cc59e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20041013095200.A4629@redline.comcast.net> On Wed, Oct 13, 2004 at 07:21:24AM -0600, Steve Monson wrote: > The *free* on-line book by Bruce Eckles is required reading where I > work, and is available in print as well. It's called Thinking in > Java, at http://www.mindview.net/Books/TIJ/. It's a very good > introduction to OOP, and introduces Java classes/concepts with each > chapter. > > I highly recommend it. Second! > On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:19:01 -0400, Burroughs, Henry > > Does anyone have recommendations for a good Java Textbook with the > > following requirements (hopefully not mutally exclusive): > > > > Cheap for the students (I'm seeing $50-$60 range now) Has a > > teachers manual (solutions, test generator,etc) Good for both AP & > > Introduction to Java classes (hopefully book reuse between courses). The Eckels book, (see above) is available for $27.25 per copy from BookPool.com (My favorite online tech-book store). Shipping costs range from very cheap to "tomorrow morning". (Your choice) http://www.bookpool.com/.x/7intymv9im/sm/0131002872 Free shipping for any order over $40. to all 50 states! (Even, apparently, Hawaii and Alaska) DISCLOSURE: I have no business connection with BookPool, excepting being a satisfied customer. One feature Bookpool has on their website, that every online-retailer SHOULD have: You can set your shipping destination and get a calculation of shipping costs on your order, BEFORE entering your credit card info. Nice. -- Linux/Open Source. Your base belongs to you, free, forever. Idealism: "Realism applied over a longer time period" http://www.scaled.com/projects/tierone/ "Last one into space is a rotten egg!" Jeff Kinz, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. ~ ~ ~ ~ From wescott_mike at emc.com Wed Oct 13 14:04:30 2004 From: wescott_mike at emc.com (Michael Wescott) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:04:30 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] smp compiling In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:30:35 PDT." Message-ID: <200410131404.i9DE4UGR008850@strange.us.dg.com> stegil at hotmail.com said: > For an smb server, would there be an advantage to not install the > default rpm packages & default k12ltsp packages, but to compile them > instead for multithreading to take advantage of the dual cpu's? ie ( > make -j ) or (pmake) Using make -j (or pmake) lets you multithread the compile process but should have no effect on the resulting object. -- Mike Wescott Wescott_Mike at EMC.COM From swift at msad52.k12.me.us Wed Oct 13 14:44:04 2004 From: swift at msad52.k12.me.us (Randall Swift) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:44:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Install 4.0.1 kernel panic In-Reply-To: <16898.10.1.2.1.1097186935.squirrel@email.ywammt.org> References: <1097180684.16122.346.camel@server.ltsp> <16898.10.1.2.1.1097186935.squirrel@email.ywammt.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, October 7, 2004 at 6:08 PM +0000 wrote: >First, I like to say that this is the best list I have ever been a part >of. I have written once before and the answers solved it. > >I am now 3 months into using k12LTSP, and with pretty good sucess. I have >3 servers running it, on about 30 workstations. I just downloaded k12LTSP >4.0.1 last week (though I just noticed they had 4.1.1 out 10 minutes ago) >and have used it on three machines (1 server and 2 stand-alones.) Today >one of my may servers crashed (inconsistancies on the HD,) but it was not >big deal, it was up for an upgrade anyway so (it was running 3.0.1) so i >switched the machines to the other servers and proceeded to install 4.0.1. > >I put the CD in the tray, press enter... it loads the vmluniz and the init >then about a half of a second later it gets a kernel panic. I am at a >loss. I have unplugged the HD, tested every memory stick, turned off >Hyper-threading, typed linux rescue... all with the same result. I am >currently downloading 4.1.1 to see if it gives the same error but thought >I would ask to see if anyone else has had this happen and what I can do. > >Xeon 2.4 w/hyperthreading >2 GB mem >120 GB HD >1000 b/t NIC >GA-8EGXDR Server Board > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see I had a similiar problem last year and believe it or not the problem was that my cd-rom drive speed was to fast. I installed an older cd drive and had no issues. Randy Swift Network Administrator Leavitt Area High School Turner, Maine 04282 (207)225-3533 swift at msad52.k12.me.us From les at futuresource.com Wed Oct 13 14:44:08 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 09:44:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] exchange connector? Message-ID: <1097678648.5096.5.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Has anyone used the evolution exchange connector that Novell recently released under the GPL? Is there a packaged version that will drop into Fedora/k12ltsp? So far the only distribution I've seen that includes it is the first beta of RHEL 4.1. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Wed Oct 13 14:59:09 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 09:59:09 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Install 4.0.1 kernel panic In-Reply-To: References: <1097180684.16122.346.camel@server.ltsp> <16898.10.1.2.1.1097186935.squirrel@email.ywammt.org> Message-ID: Clean the CD lens witha lens cleaner and clean the CD with a soft cloth. Worked for me, YMMV. . . Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Wed, 13 Oct 2004, Randall Swift wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Thursday, October 7, 2004 at 6:08 PM +0000 wrote: > >First, I like to say that this is the best list I have ever been a part > >of. I have written once before and the answers solved it. > > > >I am now 3 months into using k12LTSP, and with pretty good sucess. I have > >3 servers running it, on about 30 workstations. I just downloaded k12LTSP > >4.0.1 last week (though I just noticed they had 4.1.1 out 10 minutes ago) > >and have used it on three machines (1 server and 2 stand-alones.) Today > >one of my may servers crashed (inconsistancies on the HD,) but it was not > >big deal, it was up for an upgrade anyway so (it was running 3.0.1) so i > >switched the machines to the other servers and proceeded to install 4.0.1. > > > >I put the CD in the tray, press enter... it loads the vmluniz and the init > >then about a half of a second later it gets a kernel panic. I am at a > >loss. I have unplugged the HD, tested every memory stick, turned off > >Hyper-threading, typed linux rescue... all with the same result. I am > >currently downloading 4.1.1 to see if it gives the same error but thought > >I would ask to see if anyone else has had this happen and what I can do. > > > >Xeon 2.4 w/hyperthreading > >2 GB mem > >120 GB HD > >1000 b/t NIC > >GA-8EGXDR Server Board > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > I had a similiar problem last year and believe it or not the problem was > that my cd-rom drive speed was to fast. I installed an older cd drive and > had no issues. > > Randy Swift > Network Administrator > Leavitt Area High School > Turner, Maine 04282 > (207)225-3533 > swift at msad52.k12.me.us > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Oct 13 15:10:46 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 11:10:46 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] restart verynice without rebooting? Message-ID: This may be a dumb question, but I'm drawing a blank....how can I restart "verynice" without rebooting? I changed the conf file /etc/verynice.conf and I want to have it take effect....trying to calm down Firefox a little bit. How can I do it? PS.... service verynice restart does not work David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From haysja at sages.us Wed Oct 13 15:11:09 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:11:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] restart verynice without rebooting? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <416D458D.5060304@sages.us> Have you tried restarting with WebMin? I just restarted VeryNice on one of my K12LTSP server using webmin. David Trask wrote: >This may be a dumb question, but I'm drawing a blank....how can I restart >"verynice" without rebooting? I changed the conf file /etc/verynice.conf > and I want to have it take effect....trying to calm down Firefox a little >bit. How can I do it? PS.... service verynice restart does not work > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >(207)923-3100 > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From les at futuresource.com Wed Oct 13 15:12:03 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:12:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Install 4.0.1 kernel panic In-Reply-To: References: <1097180684.16122.346.camel@server.ltsp> <16898.10.1.2.1.1097186935.squirrel@email.ywammt.org> Message-ID: <1097680323.5096.14.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-10-13 at 09:44, Randall Swift wrote: > I had a similiar problem last year and believe it or not the problem was > that my cd-rom drive speed was to fast. I installed an older cd drive and > had no issues. I have sometimes had trouble with CD's burned at high speeds or on CDRW media. Burning at 8x or less would fix it (and make sure the md5sum of the download is correct). I usually download the iso images to an NFS-shared directory on the network and only burn the first one. If you enter 'linux askmethod' at the boot prompt you can pick NFS as the install method and point it to the exported server/directory. It's faster and you don't have to stay around to swap disks. You can also boot with the floppy images if you really have trouble with the CD. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dalen at czexan.net Wed Oct 13 15:11:49 2004 From: dalen at czexan.net (dale) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:11:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] restart verynice without rebooting? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <416D45B5.4000507@czexan.net> David Trask wrote: > This may be a dumb question, but I'm drawing a blank....how can I restart > "verynice" without rebooting? I changed the conf file /etc/verynice.conf > and I want to have it take effect....trying to calm down Firefox a little > bit. How can I do it? PS.... service verynice restart does not work > David, This is just a guess but you might try killall -HUP xinetd I had to do this to get rsync service to start. Thanks, Dale From dalen at czexan.net Wed Oct 13 15:15:37 2004 From: dalen at czexan.net (dale) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:15:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Install 4.0.1 kernel panic In-Reply-To: References: <1097180684.16122.346.camel@server.ltsp> <16898.10.1.2.1.1097186935.squirrel@email.ywammt.org> Message-ID: <416D4699.8090205@czexan.net> Randall Swift wrote: >>I put the CD in the tray, press enter... it loads the vmluniz and the init >>then about a half of a second later it gets a kernel panic. I am at a >>loss. I have unplugged the HD, tested every memory stick, turned off > I had a similiar problem last year and believe it or not the problem was > that my cd-rom drive speed was to fast. I installed an older cd drive and > had no issues. I recall a thread by Alan Cox where he mentions trying different kernel parameters (dma, apic, etc). However, I can't seem to find it with google. From les at futuresource.com Wed Oct 13 15:33:37 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:33:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Install 4.0.1 kernel panic In-Reply-To: <416D4699.8090205@czexan.net> References: <1097180684.16122.346.camel@server.ltsp> <16898.10.1.2.1.1097186935.squirrel@email.ywammt.org> <416D4699.8090205@czexan.net> Message-ID: <1097681616.5286.2.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-10-13 at 10:15, dale wrote: > I recall a thread by Alan Cox where he mentions trying different kernel > parameters (dma, apic, etc). However, I can't seem to find it with google. You can try linux cddma or linux cddma=off at the boot prompt. I think this is supposed to autodetect but sometimes gets it wrong. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Oct 13 15:38:20 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 08:38:20 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] restart verynice without rebooting? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1097681900.16122.392.camel@server.ltsp> On Wed, 2004-10-13 at 08:10, David Trask wrote: > This may be a dumb question, but I'm drawing a blank....how can I restart > "verynice" without rebooting? I changed the conf file /etc/verynice.conf > and I want to have it take effect....trying to calm down Firefox a little > bit. How can I do it? PS.... service verynice restart does not work > For some reason they made the service name verynice.init: service verynice.init restart When you run "service", it looks in /etc/init.d/ for the script you requested. In other words, "/etc/init.d/verynice.init restart" is exactly the same as "service verynice.init restart". So if you are unsure of what a particular service's init scripts are called, look in /etc/init.d/ -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us Wed Oct 13 15:45:24 2004 From: schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us (Jimmy Schwankl) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 11:45:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] (no subject) Message-ID: David Trask wrote: > This may be a dumb question, but I'm drawing a blank....how can I > restart > "verynice" without rebooting? I changed the conf file > /etc/verynice.conf > and I want to have it take effect....trying to calm down Firefox a > little > bit. How can I do it? PS.... service verynice restart does not > work David, A little reading of the verynice website http://www.tam.cornell.edu/~sdh4/verynice/ revealed: /etc/rc.d/init.d/verynice.init stop to stop the process and /etc/rc.d/init.d/verynice.init start to begin again Peace, Jimmy Schwankl ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ There are no warlike people, just warlike leaders --Ralph Bunche From schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us Wed Oct 13 15:48:12 2004 From: schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us (Jimmy Schwankl) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 11:48:12 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: restart verynice without rebooting? Message-ID: <49F3203F-1D2F-11D9-9C18-000A95C48860@chatham.k12.nc.us> Must remember to include a subject. :-) David Trask wrote: > This may be a dumb question, but I'm drawing a blank....how can I > restart > "verynice" without rebooting? I changed the conf file > /etc/verynice.conf > and I want to have it take effect....trying to calm down Firefox a > little > bit. How can I do it? PS.... service verynice restart does not > work David, A little reading of the verynice website http://www.tam.cornell.edu/~sdh4/verynice/ revealed: /etc/rc.d/init.d/verynice.init stop to stop the process and /etc/rc.d/init.d/verynice.init start to begin again Peace, Jimmy Schwankl From peden at americanphysicians.net Wed Oct 13 15:52:22 2004 From: peden at americanphysicians.net (Paul Eden) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 08:52:22 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] exchange connector? In-Reply-To: <1097678648.5096.5.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1097678648.5096.5.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1097682742.5448.1.camel@desktop.americanphysicians.net> I Dag Wieers has made some that work for me here: http://dag.wieers.com/packages/evolution-connector/ Paul On Wed, 2004-10-13 at 07:44, Les Mikesell wrote: > Has anyone used the evolution exchange connector that Novell recently > released under the GPL? Is there a packaged version that will drop > into Fedora/k12ltsp? So far the only distribution I've seen that > includes it is the first beta of RHEL 4.1. > > --- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From petre at maltzen.net Wed Oct 13 16:36:47 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 11:36:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Install 4.0.1 kernel panic In-Reply-To: <1097680323.5096.14.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1097180684.16122.346.camel@server.ltsp> <16898.10.1.2.1.1097186935.squirrel@email.ywammt.org> <1097680323.5096.14.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <416D599F.4040903@maltzen.net> Don't you have to mount the other ISOs via loopback first, and then nfs export them? Or is the installer smart enough to read the raw ISO files? Petre Les Mikesell wrote: > On Wed, 2004-10-13 at 09:44, Randall Swift wrote: > >>I had a similiar problem last year and believe it or not the problem was >>that my cd-rom drive speed was to fast. I installed an older cd drive and >>had no issues. > > > I have sometimes had trouble with CD's burned at high speeds or on CDRW > media. Burning at 8x or less would fix it (and make sure the md5sum of > the download is correct). I usually download the iso images to an > NFS-shared directory on the network and only burn the first one. If > you enter 'linux askmethod' at the boot prompt you can pick NFS as > the install method and point it to the exported server/directory. It's > faster and you don't have to stay around to swap disks. You can also > boot with the floppy images if you really have trouble with the CD. > > --- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org Wed Oct 13 16:47:49 2004 From: jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org (Jonathan Carter) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 18:47:49 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <416D5C35.6010409@shuttleworthfoundation.org> Jimmy Schwankl wrote: > David Trask wrote: > >> This may be a dumb question, but I'm drawing a blank....how can I >> restart >> "verynice" without rebooting? I changed the conf file >> /etc/verynice.conf >> and I want to have it take effect....trying to calm down Firefox a >> little >> bit. How can I do it? PS.... service verynice restart does not >> work > > > David, > > A little reading of the verynice website > > http://www.tam.cornell.edu/~sdh4/verynice/ > > revealed: > > /etc/rc.d/init.d/verynice.init stop to stop the process and > /etc/rc.d/init.d/verynice.init start to begin again or: /etc/init.d/verynice stop -Jonathan From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Oct 13 17:06:46 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:06:46 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: restart verynice without rebooting? In-Reply-To: <49F3203F-1D2F-11D9-9C18-000A95C48860@chatham.k12.nc.us> References: <49F3203F-1D2F-11D9-9C18-000A95C48860@chatham.k12.nc.us> Message-ID: aha! Thanks for the tip! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From les at futuresource.com Wed Oct 13 16:58:48 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 11:58:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Install 4.0.1 kernel panic In-Reply-To: <416D599F.4040903@maltzen.net> References: <1097180684.16122.346.camel@server.ltsp> <16898.10.1.2.1.1097186935.squirrel@email.ywammt.org> <1097680323.5096.14.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <416D599F.4040903@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1097686727.5597.6.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-10-13 at 11:36, Petre Scheie wrote: > Don't you have to mount the other ISOs via loopback first, and then nfs export > them? Or is the installer smart enough to read the raw ISO files? The installer does it all for you. All you need is an nfs-visible directory containing the iso images. You do have to boot an installer that matches the iso set, although sometimes the same one will work across different beta releases. FC2 has an image that you can copy to a USB flash drive for the initial boot on machines that support it. Otherwise you need the 1st CD or a boot floppy plus net and sometimes scsi driver floppies. You can do the loopback mount to extract those images if necessary. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org Wed Oct 13 17:13:48 2004 From: jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org (Jonathan Carter) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 19:13:48 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: restart verynice without rebooting? In-Reply-To: References: <49F3203F-1D2F-11D9-9C18-000A95C48860@chatham.k12.nc.us> Message-ID: <416D624C.7000501@shuttleworthfoundation.org> David Trask wrote: >aha! Thanks for the tip! > > Well, since you like it... :) If you type /etc/init.d/ you can see a list of services you can stop and start. You can type stop or start to do the obvious, or status to see if the service is running or not, for example: /etc/init.d/dhcpd status will tell you if dhcp is running or not. Alternatively, you can also use service: #service dhcpd start (or stop or status) If you want to configure which services should start in your current runlevel, you can do that with the ntsysv tool: #ntsysv I can send you more info about runlevels if you like. It's a real powerful aspect of Linux, and it helped me understand a LOT once I got it. -Jonathan From lsrpm at mts.net Wed Oct 13 17:29:49 2004 From: lsrpm at mts.net (Liam Marshall) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:29:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Java Textbook! In-Reply-To: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D78420073F36@hhpmail.MEDIA.LOCAL> References: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D78420073F36@hhpmail.MEDIA.LOCAL> Message-ID: <1097688589.11936.6.camel@server.ltsp> On Tue, 2004-10-12 at 21:19, Burroughs, Henry wrote: > Does anyone have recommendations for a good Java Textbook with the following requirements (hopefully not mutally exclusive): > > Cheap for the students (I'm seeing $50-$60 range now) > Has a teachers manual (solutions, test generator,etc) > Good for both AP & Introduction to Java classes (hopefully book reuse between courses). > > > Any suggesions, or books that even come close to a couple of the things I mentioned would be helpfull! Thanks so much for your help! > > Henry I have been using, for 3 years now, Fundamentals of Java second edition, by Lambert and Osborne. This book is listed as "Comprehensive" version. There is also an introductory and basic version Comprehensive ISBN 0-619-05962-1 which is hard cover regular price 93 dollars Canadian so around 60 US but it has softcover version available is an ExamView pro cd which has teacher info , manual, exercise results, etc including a complete set of question banks to make quizes, tests, etc for printing or in html format for online use, with automatic grading if using the online version I like it. It's forward lists it as being used frequently in Computer Science level 1 and 2 courses in undergraduate work. I teach it to Grade 12's. Next year, we are making it available as AP course, hopefully, same textbook. From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Oct 13 17:48:51 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:48:51 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] display korean text in mozilla Message-ID: <416D6A83.2050108@paasda.org> We have some students from japan/korea/germany/finland all in the ESL program here. all but the korean's can view websites/web mail in their native languages... the koreans get the little squares and circles of "ansi spam" any ideas on how to add their language to 'viewable' --Huck From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Wed Oct 13 17:58:51 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:58:51 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Apt-get woes, again Message-ID: It's me again. . . Recently I did an apt-get upgrade and it upgraded apt and the next time I ran apt-get , it took me through this mirror select thing. Well, I went through that and it replaced the repositories with non-k12ltsp repositories. Then I asked on this forum abouot how to fix that and was told to edit a couple of files. Question 1. Can I leave those other repositories in there or should I leave only k12ltsp.mesd.x.x.x. Question 2. After this change, I am getting an error up apt-get upgrade saying: E: Error(s) while checking package signatures: 0 unsigned package(s) 3 package(s) with unknown signatures 0 package(s) with illegal/corrupted signatures And then it drops me to a propmt (doesn't do the upgrade). How can I fix this? Would it be wise to get the rpm for apt from my FC1 CD and remove the apt that is on there now and replace it? I ran the rpm --import line Eric gave me some time ago (which may still not apply) and it didn't change anything. Perhaps there is a newer line to run instead of the one he gave me earlier. . . Is there a way to fix this where this won't keep happening. . . Thanks Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Oct 13 19:39:01 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 15:39:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: restart verynice without rebooting? In-Reply-To: <416D624C.7000501@shuttleworthfoundation.org> References: <49F3203F-1D2F-11D9-9C18-000A95C48860@chatham.k12.nc.us> < > <416D624C.7000501@shuttleworthfoundation.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, October 13, 2004 at 1:13 PM +0000 wrote: >Well, since you like it... :) > >If you type /etc/init.d/ you can see a list of services you can >stop and start. You can type stop or start to do the obvious, or status >to see if the service is running or not, for example: >/etc/init.d/dhcpd status >will tell you if dhcp is running or not. > >Alternatively, you can also use service: >#service dhcpd start (or stop or status) > >If you want to configure which services should start in your current >runlevel, you can do that with the ntsysv tool: >#ntsysv > >I can send you more info about runlevels if you like. It's a real >powerful aspect of Linux, and it helped me understand a LOT once I got it. Thanks for this info....it filled a little gap in some of my knowledge....I found that the service "verynice" is actually called "verynice.init" thus service verynice.init restart works! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dalen at czexan.net Wed Oct 13 23:28:41 2004 From: dalen at czexan.net (dale) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 18:28:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OOo calc date bug Message-ID: <416DBA29.7090000@czexan.net> There is a bug in OpenOffice Calc that just surfaced on the Fedora list. Typing 7 April 2002 into a cell does not translate into a date like other date strings do. This bug also affects K12LTSP with openoffice-1.1.1-4 thread url below http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2004-October/msg02601.html From microman at cmosnetworks.com Thu Oct 14 00:58:41 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 20:58:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] exchange connector? In-Reply-To: <1097678648.5096.5.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1097678648.5096.5.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <416DCF41.7090309@cmosnetworks.com> Yup, been using the Exchange Connector now for the last year and a half (we're a "Microsoft shop"). That means that, back then, yup, I paid the $59 or $69 for it. It allowed me to switch to GNU/Linux, so I felt that it was worth it. I haven't tried it on Fedora Core Anything yet, but I've used it on Red Hat Linux 7.3 and K12LTSP 3.1.2 (RHL 9), both before and after it went GPL. Today, I use it with SuSE Linux 9.1. I imagine that it would operate the same way under FC1 or FC2. The easiest way that I've discovered to install the Exchange Connector is to use the Ximian/Novell "Red Carpet" tool. Matter of fact, it's how I've done it every time, and it's the way that Ximian/Novell recommends that you do the Connector install. --TP Les Mikesell wrote: >Has anyone used the evolution exchange connector that Novell recently >released under the GPL? Is there a packaged version that will drop >into Fedora/k12ltsp? So far the only distribution I've seen that >includes it is the first beta of RHEL 4.1. > >--- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG Thu Oct 14 02:48:05 2004 From: HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Burroughs, Henry) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 22:48:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] exchange connector? Message-ID: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D78420073F37@hhpmail.MEDIA.LOCAL> I've been using the exchange connector for a few weeks now... has made moving some faculty members from outlook to the new server easy (and keeps me from having to run outlook via Crossover). I found the rpms from ximian's site to have some strange dependencies. I personally didn't want to install the entire Ximian dist (or a chunk) to make the connector to work. There is are some fc2 rolled connector rpms floating about, and I found one awhile back. Henry -----Original Message----- From: "Terrell Prud?, Jr." [mailto:microman at cmosnetworks.com] Sent: Wed 10/13/2004 8:58 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Cc: Subject: Re: [K12OSN] exchange connector? Yup, been using the Exchange Connector now for the last year and a half (we're a "Microsoft shop"). That means that, back then, yup, I paid the $59 or $69 for it. It allowed me to switch to GNU/Linux, so I felt that it was worth it. I haven't tried it on Fedora Core Anything yet, but I've used it on Red Hat Linux 7.3 and K12LTSP 3.1.2 (RHL 9), both before and after it went GPL. Today, I use it with SuSE Linux 9.1. I imagine that it would operate the same way under FC1 or FC2. The easiest way that I've discovered to install the Exchange Connector is to use the Ximian/Novell "Red Carpet" tool. Matter of fact, it's how I've done it every time, and it's the way that Ximian/Novell recommends that you do the Connector install. --TP Les Mikesell wrote: >Has anyone used the evolution exchange connector that Novell recently >released under the GPL? Is there a packaged version that will drop >into Fedora/k12ltsp? So far the only distribution I've seen that >includes it is the first beta of RHEL 4.1. > >--- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3713 bytes Desc: not available URL: From microman at cmosnetworks.com Thu Oct 14 02:59:19 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?windows-1252?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 22:59:19 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] exchange connector? In-Reply-To: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D78420073F37@hhpmail.MEDIA.LOCAL> References: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D78420073F37@hhpmail.MEDIA.LOCAL> Message-ID: <416DEB87.50906@cmosnetworks.com> Oh, you don't have to install the the entire Ximian Desktop for this to work. Not at all! All you need is the Red Carpet program loader, and GNOME 2.0+ on your system. The Red Carpet program loader is maybe a few MB--quite small. And the reason to use Red Carpet for the Exchange Connector is to avoid exactly those "strange dependencies" you mention below. --TP Burroughs, Henry wrote: >I've been using the exchange connector for a few weeks now... has made moving some faculty members from outlook to the new server easy (and keeps me from having to run outlook via Crossover). > >I found the rpms from ximian's site to have some strange dependencies. I personally didn't want to install the entire Ximian dist (or a chunk) to make the connector to work. There is are some fc2 rolled connector rpms floating about, and I found one awhile back. > >Henry > >-----Original Message----- >From: "Terrell Prud?, Jr." [mailto:microman at cmosnetworks.com] >Sent: Wed 10/13/2004 8:58 PM >To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >Cc: >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] exchange connector? >Yup, been using the Exchange Connector now for the last year and a half >(we're a "Microsoft shop"). That means that, back then, yup, I paid the >$59 or $69 for it. It allowed me to switch to GNU/Linux, so I felt that >it was worth it. > >I haven't tried it on Fedora Core Anything yet, but I've used it on Red >Hat Linux 7.3 and K12LTSP 3.1.2 (RHL 9), both before and after it went >GPL. Today, I use it with SuSE Linux 9.1. I imagine that it would >operate the same way under FC1 or FC2. > >The easiest way that I've discovered to install the Exchange Connector >is to use the Ximian/Novell "Red Carpet" tool. Matter of fact, it's how >I've done it every time, and it's the way that Ximian/Novell recommends >that you do the Connector install. > >--TP > >Les Mikesell wrote: > > > >>Has anyone used the evolution exchange connector that Novell recently >>released under the GPL? Is there a packaged version that will drop >>into Fedora/k12ltsp? So far the only distribution I've seen that >>includes it is the first beta of RHEL 4.1. >> >>--- >> Les Mikesell >> les at futuresource.com >> >> >> From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Thu Oct 14 03:07:42 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 23:07:42 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Java Textbook! In-Reply-To: <7616b9d604101306211cc59e@mail.gmail.com> References: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D78420073F36@hhpmail.MEDIA.LOCAL> <7616b9d604101306211cc59e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <416DED7E.6020209@snet.net> Steve Monson wrote: > The *free* on-line book by Bruce Eckles is required reading where I > work, and is available in print as well. It's called Thinking in > Java, at http://www.mindview.net/Books/TIJ/. It's a very good > introduction to OOP, and introduces Java classes/concepts with each > chapter. > > I highly recommend it. > I just downloaded this book. It says: "This book assumes that you have some programming familiarity: you understand that a program is a collection of statements, the idea of a subroutine/function/macro, control statements such as "if" and looping constructs such as "while," etc. However, you might have learned this in many places, such as programming with a macro language or working with a tool like Perl. As long as you've programmed to the point where you feel comfortable with the basic ideas of programming, you'll be able to work through this book." Where may I learn subroutine/function/macro, etc. Are there more such free ebooks available, good tutorials, etc. that you hackers would recommend? I have not programmed (besides basic html and css, if that counts) since writing in Basic on an Atari 400 at the age of 11 (24 years ago). I'd like to learn more about programming again. -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com Thu Oct 14 09:56:30 2004 From: wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com (Wilson) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 23:56:30 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Hardcoding proxy/user setting in mozilla for all users In-Reply-To: <416DED7E.6020209@snet.net> Message-ID: <200410140956.i9E9uYQm007091@ms-smtp-02-eri0.socal.rr.com> Is there a way to hardcode the proxy setting to all users? Right now I have to manually set the proxy setting (http://192.168.0.254:8080) on all the user accounts by logging in. Also, what about cosmetic changes like setting the theme to modern and enabling tab browsing? There has to be a better way then hard coding it per user. Thanks! Wilson From wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com Thu Oct 14 11:02:10 2004 From: wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com (Wilson) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 01:02:10 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Mtools floppy disk access In-Reply-To: <416DED7E.6020209@snet.net> Message-ID: <200410141102.i9EB2DkM014025@ms-smtp-01-eri0.socal.rr.com> How do you setup Mtools floppy drive utility in the LTSP environment? I have the default install of the K12LTSP v4.1.1. Thanks! Wilson From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Thu Oct 14 12:38:37 2004 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:38:37 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Hardcoding proxy/user setting in mozilla for all users In-Reply-To: <200410140956.i9E9uYQm007091@ms-smtp-02-eri0.socal.rr.com> References: <200410140956.i9E9uYQm007091@ms-smtp-02-eri0.socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <200410141338.37556.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> On Thursday 14 Oct 2004 10:56 am, Wilson wrote: > Is there a way to hardcode the proxy setting to all users? Right now I have > to manually set the proxy setting (http://192.168.0.254:8080) on all the > user accounts by logging in. Also, what about cosmetic changes like setting > the theme to modern and enabling tab browsing? There has to be a better way > then hard coding it per user. Thanks! How is your shell scripting? What I did is setup one user with the proxy settings, etc. The following commands ensure that any new accounts will inherit these settings cp -r $HOME/.mozilla to /etc/skel rm /etc/skel/appreg One fly in the ointment is that prefs.js file for newly created users needs to have some paths changed. You can add a script to /etc/bashrc to handle this. This same script can setup proxy settings, etc for exitsing users too. It's time to get creative, and fiddle with either perl (where it should be a doddle) or do what I did and use a shell script with some bits awk in it. I've written many scripts over the years so doing this sort of stuff is second nature to me. The thing to remember in scripting is that what youi can type at the command line can be put in a script; work out how you would do it manually and code using this as a base. Easy peasy! -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From bimalp at indoasian.com Thu Oct 14 12:49:31 2004 From: bimalp at indoasian.com (bimal pandit) Date: 14 Oct 2004 18:19:31 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Setting Frequencies of monitor. Message-ID: <1097758171.28879.17.camel@server.ltsp> hello list, i am running ltsp server on redhat linux 9, with ltsp server 3.0.2, i have different monitors with various models, now i want to set frequency of each of them so that it should not pinch to my eyes as it does. i.e. what i want is it should match as per the best fit/available resolution and frequency, so what is the CONCEPT/CALCULATION procedure of this to set, i know the parameter are:- X_HORZSYNC, X_VERTREFRESH but i want to know the concept... could anyone help me in this?? regards bimal From webmaster at vol.org Thu Oct 14 13:44:05 2004 From: webmaster at vol.org (george kocke) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 08:44:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Hardcoding proxy/user setting in mozilla for all users In-Reply-To: <200410140956.i9E9uYQm007091@ms-smtp-02-eri0.socal.rr.com> References: <200410140956.i9E9uYQm007091@ms-smtp-02-eri0.socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <1097761445.10534.7.camel@tardis.london.volnet> On Thu, 2004-10-14 at 04:56, Wilson wrote: > Is there a way to hardcode the proxy setting to all users? I have a few scripts at the URL below that may be of interest. http://www.vol.org/vol/school/freedom/ltsp_scripts/ Basically, I set up a "golden" user and set everything up for that user. When a user logs in via GDM, /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/Default is run and does a bunch of things. One thing it does is check for the existence of the ~/.mozilla directory. If that directory is not found, it copies /home/golden/.mozilla to the user's home directory and changes a bunch of paths and permissions. -- george kocke ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ From jsmith at breakthroughministries.com Thu Oct 14 14:46:02 2004 From: jsmith at breakthroughministries.com (John A. Smith) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:46:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] doing the pivot_root server not responding Message-ID: <20040914094602.jsmith@breakthroughministries.com.12> I started on my first K12LTSP lab setup this week and I am having an issue with the first client. To the best of my knowledge the server is setup properly. The client is a Compaq Deskpro 4000 and I am using a Kingston NIC (KNE111TX . . . i think) with the tulip driver boot disk. The initial startup appears to be o.k. and the client is getting an IP via dhcp and starting to talk to the serv. Bbut then it hangs forever at this point in the boot process: doing the pivot_root nfs: server 192.168.0.254 not responding, still trying Here's all the server log says about the connection: Oct 13 18:29:32 localhost dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.253 (192.168.0.254) from 00:c0:f0:63:55:87 via eth0 Oct 13 18:29:32 localhost dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.253 to 00:c0:f0:63:55:87 via eth0 Oct 13 18:29:32 localhost rpc.mountd: authenticated mount request from ws253.ltsp:656 for /opt/ltsp/i386 (/opt/ltsp/i386) Anyone run into this before or having any pointers? TIA, John Smith -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- John A. Smith Director of Administration Breakthrough Urban Ministries 5243 N. Ashland Ave. Chicago, IL 60640-2001 PH: 773.989.4382, x230 FAX: 773.989.7329 http://www.breakthroughministries.com From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Thu Oct 14 14:52:57 2004 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 08:52:57 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Hardcoding proxy/user setting in mozilla for all users In-Reply-To: <1097761445.10534.7.camel@tardis.london.volnet> References: <200410140956.i9E9uYQm007091@ms-smtp-02-eri0.socal.rr.com> <1097761445.10534.7.camel@tardis.london.volnet> Message-ID: <416E92C9.60504@chinooksedge.ab.ca> I just made the change globally in /usr/lib/mozilla/defaults/all.js notice the network.proxy.type change ... I could make the change later down in the list specifying the http_port, but it would not "stick" till I got the proxy.type set to 1) Thus I did not need to put anything into the /etc/skel directory for mozilla. = = = = = all.js = = = = = = snip = = = = //pref("network.proxy.type", 0); // Joe changed 18may04 pref("network.proxy.type", 1); // end of change pref("network.proxy.ftp", ""); pref("network.proxy.ftp_port", 0); pref("network.proxy.gopher", ""); pref("network.proxy.gopher_port", 0); pref("network.proxy.news", ""); pref("network.proxy.news_port", 0); // pref("network.proxy.http", ""); // pref("network.proxy.http_port", 0); // Joe changed this 18May2004 pref("network.proxy.http", "10.1.0.4"); pref("network.proxy.http_port", 8000); // end of change = = = = end of snip = = = = all.js ====== george kocke wrote: >On Thu, 2004-10-14 at 04:56, Wilson wrote: > > > >>Is there a way to hardcode the proxy setting to all users? >> >> > >I have a few scripts at the URL below that may be of interest. > >http://www.vol.org/vol/school/freedom/ltsp_scripts/ > >Basically, I set up a "golden" user and set everything up for that user. >When a user logs in via GDM, /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/Default is run and >does a bunch of things. One thing it does is check for the existence of >the ~/.mozilla directory. If that directory is not found, it copies >/home/golden/.mozilla to the user's home directory and changes a bunch >of paths and permissions. > > > > > From mguerra at cariari.ucr.ac.cr Thu Oct 14 15:17:29 2004 From: mguerra at cariari.ucr.ac.cr (Mario Guerra) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:17:29 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Hardcoding proxy/user setting in mozilla for all users In-Reply-To: <200410140956.i9E9uYQm007091@ms-smtp-02-eri0.socal.rr.com> References: <200410140956.i9E9uYQm007091@ms-smtp-02-eri0.socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <200410140917.29331.mguerra@cariari.ucr.ac.cr> El Jueves, 14 de Octubre de 2004 03:56 AM, Wilson escribi?: > Is there a way to hardcode the proxy setting to all users? Right now I have > to manually set the proxy setting (http://192.168.0.254:8080) on all the > user accounts by logging in. Also, what about cosmetic changes like setting > the theme to modern and enabling tab browsing? There has to be a better way > then hard coding it per user. Thanks! > > > Wilson > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see Put in /etc/profile or /etc/bashrc: export http_proxy=http://192.168.0.254:8080/ export ftp_proxy=http://192.168.0.254:8080/ Mario Guerra From glessard at coll-outao.qc.ca Thu Oct 14 15:29:05 2004 From: glessard at coll-outao.qc.ca (Guy Lessard) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 11:29:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Setting Frequencies of monitor. In-Reply-To: <1097758171.28879.17.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1097758171.28879.17.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <416E9B41.5060809@coll-outao.qc.ca> I suggest that you use a common configuration for all your terminals, use one of the suggested configurations in lts.conf, just remove the hash sign "#" in front of your choice. P.S. do'nt do like me and use a too high a vertical refresh rate, some monitors did not like this :-( . If you still want to tweak each monitor, you need to know exactly the monitor specs (max resolution, horizontal and vertical ranges and use a modeline calculator like this one: http://www.hut.fi/Misc/Electronics/faq/vga2rgb/calc.html Good luck. bimal pandit wrote: >hello list, > >i am running ltsp server on redhat linux 9, with ltsp server 3.0.2, i >have different monitors with various models, now i want to set frequency >of each of them so that it should not pinch to my eyes as it does. i.e. >what i want is it should match as per the best fit/available resolution >and frequency, so what is the CONCEPT/CALCULATION procedure of this to >set, i know the parameter are:- X_HORZSYNC, X_VERTREFRESH >but i want to know the concept... > >could anyone help me in this?? > >regards > >bimal > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Oct 14 15:42:16 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 08:42:16 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Mtools floppy disk access In-Reply-To: <200410141102.i9EB2DkM014025@ms-smtp-01-eri0.socal.rr.com> References: <200410141102.i9EB2DkM014025@ms-smtp-01-eri0.socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <416E9E58.2050905@paasda.org> then it should already be installed... the script is in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.d I believe it is named 'floppyd' --Huck Wilson wrote: >How do you setup Mtools floppy drive utility in the LTSP environment? I have >the default install of the K12LTSP v4.1.1. Thanks! > >Wilson > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com Thu Oct 14 16:27:40 2004 From: wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com (Wilson) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 06:27:40 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Mtools floppy disk access In-Reply-To: <416E9E58.2050905@paasda.org> Message-ID: <200410141627.i9EGRgQm029717@ms-smtp-02-eri0.socal.rr.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Huck > Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 5:42 AM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Mtools floppy disk access > > then it should already be installed... > > the script is in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.d > > I believe it is named 'floppyd' > > --Huck > [Wilson ] Nope...floppyd is not in that path and I could not find floppyd when I did a slocate. [root at server rc.d]# pwd /etc/rc.d [root at server rc.d]# ls init.d rc0.d rc2.d rc4.d rc6.d rc.sysinit rc rc1.d rc3.d rc5.d rc.local [root at server rc.d]# > Wilson wrote: > > >How do you setup Mtools floppy drive utility in the LTSP environment? I > have > >the default install of the K12LTSP v4.1.1. Thanks! > > > >Wilson > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From pvdw at criticalcontrol.com Thu Oct 14 16:30:45 2004 From: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com (Pete) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 10:30:45 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Hardcoding proxy/user setting in mozilla for all users - no script needed In-Reply-To: <200410140956.i9E9uYQm007091@ms-smtp-02-eri0.socal.rr.com> References: <200410140956.i9E9uYQm007091@ms-smtp-02-eri0.socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <416EA9B5.7040407@criticalcontrol.com> Wilson wrote: >Is there a way to hardcode the proxy setting to all users? Right now I have >to manually set the proxy setting (http://192.168.0.254:8080) on all the >user accounts by logging in. Also, what about cosmetic changes like setting >the theme to modern and enabling tab browsing? There has to be a better way >then hard coding it per user. Thanks! > > >Wilson > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > I have seen a couple posts about perl scripts and settings in /etc/skel etc. but I believe there is a better way. Filling out mozilla preferences in such a way that they cannot be altered by a user (grayed out text boxes in the settings windows) Check out http://www.alain.knaff.lu/~aknaff/howto/MozillaCustomization/cgi/byteshf.cgi for a detailed explanation. Make a file in /tmp called locks.txt with the following contents (adjust to reflect your settings) //BEGIN CE prefs try { lockPref("browser.startup.homepage", "http://www.google.ca"); lockPref("browser.startup.homepage_override.mstone", "rv:1.7.3"); lockPref("intl.charsetmenu.browser.cache", "UTF-8, ISO-8859-1"); lockPref("network.cookie.prefsMigrated", true); lockPref("prefs.converted-to-utf8", true); lockPref("network.proxy.type", 1); lockPref("network.proxy.http", "10.10.10.1"); lockPref("network.proxy.http_port", 8080); lockPref("security.enable_tls", false); } catch(e) { displayError("lockedPref", e); } When this is done go to the above mentioned web site and go to the Upload mozilla.txt section, upload the /tmp/locks.txt and hit the convert mozilla.txt to mozilla.cfg button. (byteshift 13) Note : //BEGIN CE prefs Needs to be the first line in this file, spelling and capitalization of lockPref is important ! After that save the mozilla.cfg file in the same dir as the current mozilla in our case /usr/lib/mozilla-1.7.3 Done Have fun Peter -- Any technology distinguishable from foodoo-magic is insufficiently advanced. Peter Van den Wildenbergh CriticalControl Solutions Inc. Bow Valley Square II Suite 2400 205 - 5th avenue SW Calgary, AB T2P 2V7 T 403.705.7500 F 403.705.7555 From wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com Thu Oct 14 17:00:34 2004 From: wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com (Wilson) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 07:00:34 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Mtools floppy disk access In-Reply-To: <200410141627.i9EGRgQm029717@ms-smtp-02-eri0.socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <200410141700.i9EH0buY021118@ms-smtp-03-eri0.socal.rr.com> Huck, Your right! Doh! Floppyd is there. I went to the wrong directory the first time. I'll have to try Mtools again and let you know. But I tried it the other day and I couldn't get it to work. Thanks! Wilson > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Wilson > Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 6:28 AM > To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Mtools floppy disk access > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > > Behalf Of Huck > > Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 5:42 AM > > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Mtools floppy disk access > > > > then it should already be installed... > > > > the script is in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.d > > > > I believe it is named 'floppyd' > > > > --Huck > > > > [Wilson ] > Nope...floppyd is not in that path and I could not find floppyd when I did > a > slocate. > > [root at server rc.d]# pwd > /etc/rc.d > [root at server rc.d]# ls > init.d rc0.d rc2.d rc4.d rc6.d rc.sysinit > rc rc1.d rc3.d rc5.d rc.local > [root at server rc.d]# > > > > > > Wilson wrote: > > > > >How do you setup Mtools floppy drive utility in the LTSP environment? I > > have > > >the default install of the K12LTSP v4.1.1. Thanks! > > > > > >Wilson > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >K12OSN mailing list > > >K12OSN at redhat.com > > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > >For more info see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Oct 14 17:08:42 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 10:08:42 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Mtools floppy disk access In-Reply-To: <200410141700.i9EH0buY021118@ms-smtp-03-eri0.socal.rr.com> References: <200410141700.i9EH0buY021118@ms-smtp-03-eri0.socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <416EB29A.4000207@paasda.org> oddly enough... the default version worked only for USB jump drives for me... floppy disks did not work... but the script is well commented...and you can just comment out the usb stuff if you just want floppy support I think Wilson wrote: >Huck, > >Your right! Doh! Floppyd is there. I went to the wrong directory the first >time. I'll have to try Mtools again and let you know. But I tried it the >other day and I couldn't get it to work. Thanks! > >Wilson > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On >>Behalf Of Wilson >>Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 6:28 AM >>To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' >>Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Mtools floppy disk access >> >> >> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On >>>Behalf Of Huck >>>Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 5:42 AM >>>To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >>>Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Mtools floppy disk access >>> >>>then it should already be installed... >>> >>>the script is in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.d >>> >>>I believe it is named 'floppyd' >>> >>>--Huck >>> >>> >>> >>[Wilson ] >>Nope...floppyd is not in that path and I could not find floppyd when I did >>a >>slocate. >> >>[root at server rc.d]# pwd >>/etc/rc.d >>[root at server rc.d]# ls >>init.d rc0.d rc2.d rc4.d rc6.d rc.sysinit >>rc rc1.d rc3.d rc5.d rc.local >>[root at server rc.d]# >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>Wilson wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>How do you setup Mtools floppy drive utility in the LTSP environment? I >>>> >>>> >>>have >>> >>> >>>>the default install of the K12LTSP v4.1.1. Thanks! >>>> >>>>Wilson >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>K12OSN mailing list >>>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>For more info see >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >>> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> > > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From baci at harborcityschool.org Thu Oct 14 18:03:38 2004 From: baci at harborcityschool.org (Chris Bacigalupo) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:03:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] good basic complier/editor In-Reply-To: <416EB29A.4000207@paasda.org> Message-ID: <002201c4b218$21d9af10$c605000a@ebaci> Anyone have a lead on a good Linux compliant basic complier and/or editor >>baci From gumprechtm at msln.net Thu Oct 14 18:21:16 2004 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 14:21:16 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] sshvnc tools Message-ID: <416EC39C.5040707@msln.net> One of the main selling points for the LTSP for me is the ability for remote access. I have an ltsp 3.1.2 setup and running the sshvnc with sshtools and applet working great. I can not seem to get it to work on 4.0.1 though. Very odd, It works fine on the lan, but not the wan. I can access my lts 3.1.2 with no issues, so the firewall is not the problem. I can authenticate the first password and send the second, but that is as far as it goes. It errors out with unknown authentication rfb server: 33554436. I shutoff the ltsp firewall just to check. still works on the lan, but not outside. Any ideas? I do not know which/where the logs for this process would be. I tried tailing the message log, but it does not show any access. TIA Mark Gumprecht MSAD#3 Unity Maine From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Thu Oct 14 18:32:31 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:32:31 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] kernel-headers Message-ID: I am trying to install and make a wireless adapter work using ndiswrapper but after all the rpm fiasco of this needing that, that needing something else, and something else needing still another one, it go to where it wants kernel headers. Can't find them anywhere. . . Any ideas? Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! From jsmith at breakthroughministries.com Thu Oct 14 18:39:50 2004 From: jsmith at breakthroughministries.com (John A. Smith) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:39:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] doing the pivot_root server not responding Message-ID: <20040914133950.jsmith@breakthroughministries.com.12> sorry if this is a repost . . . I had re-subscribed, but didn't see this go through ---------------- I started on my first K12LTSP lab setup this week and I am having an issue with the first client. To the best of my knowledge the server is setup properly. The client is a Compaq Deskpro 4000 and I am using a Kingston NIC (KNE111TX . . . i think) with the tulip driver boot disk. The initial startup appears to be o.k. and the client is getting an IP via dhcp and starting to talk to the serv. Bbut then it hangs forever at this point in the boot process: doing the pivot_root nfs: server 192.168.0.254 not responding, still trying Here's all the server log says about the connection: Oct 13 18:29:32 localhost dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.253 (192.168.0.254) from 00:c0:f0:63:55:87 via eth0 Oct 13 18:29:32 localhost dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.253 to 00:c0:f0:63:55:87 via eth0 Oct 13 18:29:32 localhost rpc.mountd: authenticated mount request from ws253.ltsp:656 for /opt/ltsp/i386 (/opt/ltsp/i386) Anyone run into this before or having any pointers? TIA, John Smith -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- John A. Smith Director of Administration Breakthrough Urban Ministries 5243 N. Ashland Ave. Chicago, IL 60640-2001 PH: 773.989.4382, x230 FAX: 773.989.7329 http://www.breakthroughministries.com From austinsr at uindy.edu Thu Oct 14 18:43:07 2004 From: austinsr at uindy.edu (Shawn R. Austin) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:43:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] kernel-headers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1097779387.22269.6.camel@austinsr.isdesktop.uindy.edu> You need to install the kernel-source rpm that matches your kernel version. The headers will then be in /usr/src/linux-YOURKERNELVERSION On Thu, 2004-10-14 at 13:32, Doug Simpson wrote: > I am trying to install and make a wireless adapter work using ndiswrapper > but after all the rpm fiasco of this needing that, that needing something > else, and something else needing still another one, it go to where it > wants kernel headers. > > Can't find them anywhere. . . > > Any ideas? > > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > DeQueen Public Schools > DeQueen, AR 71832 > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > Tux for President! > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From pvdw at criticalcontrol.com Thu Oct 14 18:51:49 2004 From: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com (Pete) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 12:51:49 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] doing the pivot_root server not responding In-Reply-To: <20040914133950.jsmith@breakthroughministries.com.12> References: <20040914133950.jsmith@breakthroughministries.com.12> Message-ID: <416ECAC5.208@criticalcontrol.com> John A. Smith wrote: >sorry if this is a repost . . . I had re-subscribed, but didn't see this go through >---------------- >I started on my first K12LTSP lab setup this week and I am having an issue with the first client. To the best of my knowledge the server is setup properly. The client is a Compaq Deskpro 4000 and I am using a Kingston NIC (KNE111TX . . . i think) with the tulip driver boot disk. The initial startup appears to be o.k. and the client is getting an IP via dhcp and starting to talk to the serv. Bbut then it hangs forever at this point in the boot process: > > doing the pivot_root > nfs: server 192.168.0.254 not responding, still trying > >Here's all the server log says about the connection: > > Oct 13 18:29:32 localhost dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.253 (192.168.0.254) from 00:c0:f0:63:55:87 via eth0 > Oct 13 18:29:32 localhost dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.253 to 00:c0:f0:63:55:87 via eth0 > Oct 13 18:29:32 localhost rpc.mountd: authenticated mount request from ws253.ltsp:656 for /opt/ltsp/i386 (/opt/ltsp/i386) > >Anyone run into this before or having any pointers? > >TIA, >John Smith > > > > Looks like your Nic etc is okay. After the DHYCP it trys to load a kernel, looks like that is not going Check yout TFTP settings DHCP server giving the correct path to the kernel? Kernel in that path on the server? TFTP service running? Hope this helps. -- Any technology distinguishable from foodoo-magic is insufficiently advanced. Peter Van den Wildenbergh CriticalControl Solutions Inc. Bow Valley Square II Suite 2400 205 - 5th avenue SW Calgary, AB T2P 2V7 T 403.705.7500 F 403.705.7555 From jsmith at breakthroughministries.com Thu Oct 14 18:56:39 2004 From: jsmith at breakthroughministries.com (John A. Smith) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:56:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] doing the pivot_root server not responding In-Reply-To: <416ECAC5.208@criticalcontrol.com> References: <416ECAC5.208@criticalcontrol.com> Message-ID: <20040914135639.jsmith@breakthroughministries.com.12> > Check yout TFTP settings > DHCP server giving the correct path to the kernel? > Kernel in that path on the server? > TFTP service running? Where would I find these settings? Sorry LTSP newbie . . . -john smith ----- Original Message ----- Pete wrote: > John A. Smith wrote: > > >sorry if this is a repost . . . I had re-subscribed, but didn't see this go through > >---------------- > >I started on my first K12LTSP lab setup this week and I am having an issue with the first client. To the best of my knowledge the server is setup properly. The client is a Compaq Deskpro 4000 and I am using a Kingston NIC (KNE111TX . . . i think) with the tulip driver boot disk. The initial startup appears to be o.k. and the client is getting an IP via dhcp and starting to talk to the serv. Bbut then it hangs forever at this point in the boot process: > > > > doing the pivot_root > > nfs: server 192.168.0.254 not responding, still trying > > > >Here's all the server log says about the connection: > > > > Oct 13 18:29:32 localhost dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.253 (192.168.0.254) from 00:c0:f0:63:55:87 via eth0 > > Oct 13 18:29:32 localhost dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.253 to 00:c0:f0:63:55:87 via eth0 > > Oct 13 18:29:32 localhost rpc.mountd: authenticated mount request from ws253.ltsp:656 for /opt/ltsp/i386 (/opt/ltsp/i386) > > > >Anyone run into this before or having any pointers? > > > >TIA, > >John Smith > > > > > > > > > Looks like your Nic etc is okay. > After the DHYCP it trys to load a kernel, looks like that is not going > Check yout TFTP settings > DHCP server giving the correct path to the kernel? > Kernel in that path on the server? > TFTP service running? > > Hope this helps. > > -- > > Any technology distinguishable from > foodoo-magic is insufficiently advanced. > > > Peter Van den Wildenbergh > > CriticalControl Solutions Inc. > Bow Valley Square II > Suite 2400 > 205 - 5th avenue SW > Calgary, AB T2P 2V7 > > T 403.705.7500 > F 403.705.7555 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- John A. Smith Director of Administration Breakthrough Urban Ministries 5243 N. Ashland Ave. Chicago, IL 60640-2001 PH: 773.989.4382, x230 FAX: 773.989.7329 http://www.breakthroughministries.com From nbs at sonic.net Thu Oct 14 19:20:20 2004 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 12:20:20 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] ANNC: Tux Paint 0.9.14 Message-ID: <20041014192020.GA2268@sonic.net> FYI - Tux Paint 0.9.14 has been released! It's available as a source tarball, as well as binary versions for Windows, BeOS, Slackware Linux, RedHat and Fedora Core Linux, and others coming soon... Here's the announcement: http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/tuxpaint/latest/ Learn all about, and download, Tux Paint here: http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/tuxpaint/ Enjoy! -bill! From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Oct 14 19:18:04 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 19:18:04 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] ANNC: Tux Paint 0.9.14 Message-ID: <200410141919.i9EJJmH05828@downeast.net> Good man...you working out of your vw van these days...chuck > > FYI - Tux Paint 0.9.14 has been released! It's available as a > source tarball, as well as binary versions for Windows, BeOS, > Slackware Linux, RedHat and Fedora Core Linux, and others coming soon... > > Here's the announcement: > > http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/tuxpaint/latest/ > > > Learn all about, and download, Tux Paint here: > > http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/tuxpaint/ > > Enjoy! > > -bill! > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Oct 14 19:22:34 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 19:22:34 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] sshvnc tools Message-ID: <200410141924.i9EJOIH06603@downeast.net> could it be hosts.allow/hosts.deny with tcpwrappers?? One of the main selling points for the LTSP for me is the ability for > remote access. I have an ltsp 3.1.2 setup and running the sshvnc with > sshtools and applet working great. I can not seem to get it to work on > 4.0.1 though. Very odd, It works fine on the lan, but not the wan. I > can access my lts 3.1.2 with no issues, so the firewall is not the > problem. I can authenticate the first password and send the second, but > that is as far as it goes. It errors out with unknown authentication rfb > server: 33554436. I shutoff the ltsp firewall just to check. still works > on the lan, but not outside. Any ideas? I do not know which/where the > logs for this process would be. I tried tailing the message log, but it > does not show any access. > TIA > Mark Gumprecht > MSAD#3 > Unity Maine > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From pvdw at criticalcontrol.com Thu Oct 14 20:17:45 2004 From: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com (Pete) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 14:17:45 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] doing the pivot_root server not responding In-Reply-To: <20040914143828.jsmith@breakthroughministries.com.12> References: <416ECEAD.2090906@criticalcontrol.com> <20040914143828.jsmith@breakthroughministries.com.12> Message-ID: <416EDEE9.5000300@criticalcontrol.com> John A. Smith wrote: >>Did the newbie read the basic documentation??? >> >> >Yes . . . and I googled for quite a while too. > > > The Doc from James McQuillan? Page 11 2.3 Configuring the services needed by LTSP http://www.ltsp.org/documentation/ltsp-4.1/ltsp-4.1-0-en.pdf ltspcfg is mentioned there no...? Also from that doc (page 30) Is tftp running? netstat -anp | grep ":69" Should return 1 line : udp .... Check /etc/inetd.conf tftp dgram udp wait ... This line is NOT commented out? in /etc/xinetd.d/tftp make sure the service tftp section is enabled (disable=no) not yes From the logs you send it is either this or NFS Is the /opt/ltsp/i386 directory listed in /etc/exports? If not chances are you didn't run ltspcfg properly See pages 31 and up in the above mentioned doc. If TFTP is running we will troubleshoot NFS, let me know Peter >>Did you run the ltspcfg tool? >> >> >No . . . funny no mention of that in the basic documentation . . .So I just ran it and it didn't seem to make a difference. I'll restart to make sure all services restart properly with any new config. > >As for dhcpd.conf ours are identical, except subnets > >-john smith > > From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Thu Oct 14 20:35:51 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 15:35:51 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] kernel-headers In-Reply-To: <1097779387.22269.6.camel@austinsr.isdesktop.uindy.edu> References: <1097779387.22269.6.camel@austinsr.isdesktop.uindy.edu> Message-ID: That is just the thing. . . I can't install the kernel source because it needs gcc and gcc32, which won't install because it needs glibc something or other which won't install because it needs kernel-headers. . . Viciuos circle. . . Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Thu, 14 Oct 2004, Shawn R. Austin wrote: > You need to install the kernel-source rpm that matches your kernel > version. > > The headers will then be in /usr/src/linux-YOURKERNELVERSION > > On Thu, 2004-10-14 at 13:32, Doug Simpson wrote: > > I am trying to install and make a wireless adapter work using ndiswrapper > > but after all the rpm fiasco of this needing that, that needing something > > else, and something else needing still another one, it go to where it > > wants kernel headers. > > > > Can't find them anywhere. . . > > > > Any ideas? > > > > > > Doug Simpson > > Technology Specialist > > DeQueen Public Schools > > DeQueen, AR 71832 > > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > > Tux for President! > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From k12ltsp at trinityschool.org.uk Thu Oct 14 20:50:11 2004 From: k12ltsp at trinityschool.org.uk (Peter Deakin) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 21:50:11 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] doing the pivot_root server not responding In-Reply-To: <20040914135639.jsmith@breakthroughministries.com.12> References: <416ECAC5.208@criticalcontrol.com> <20040914135639.jsmith@breakthroughministries.com.12> Message-ID: <416EE683.9020706@trinityschool.org.uk> John A. Smith wrote: >>Check yout TFTP settings >>DHCP server giving the correct path to the kernel? >>Kernel in that path on the server? >>TFTP service running? >> >> > >Where would I find these settings? Sorry LTSP newbie . . . > >-john smith > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >Pete wrote: > > >>John A. Smith wrote: >> >> >> >>>sorry if this is a repost . . . I had re-subscribed, but didn't see this go through >>>---------------- >>>I started on my first K12LTSP lab setup this week and I am having an issue with the first client. To the best of my knowledge the server is setup properly. The client is a Compaq Deskpro 4000 and I am using a Kingston NIC (KNE111TX . . . i think) with the tulip driver boot disk. The initial startup appears to be o.k. and the client is getting an IP via dhcp and starting to talk to the serv. Bbut then it hangs forever at this point in the boot process: >>> >>> doing the pivot_root >>> nfs: server 192.168.0.254 not responding, still trying >>> >>>Here's all the server log says about the connection: >>> >>> Oct 13 18:29:32 localhost dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.253 (192.168.0.254) from 00:c0:f0:63:55:87 via eth0 >>> Oct 13 18:29:32 localhost dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.253 to 00:c0:f0:63:55:87 via eth0 >>> Oct 13 18:29:32 localhost rpc.mountd: authenticated mount request from ws253.ltsp:656 for /opt/ltsp/i386 (/opt/ltsp/i386) >>> >>>Anyone run into this before or having any pointers? >>> >>>TIA, >>>John Smith >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Looks like your Nic etc is okay. >>After the DHYCP it trys to load a kernel, looks like that is not going >>Check yout TFTP settings >>DHCP server giving the correct path to the kernel? >>Kernel in that path on the server? >>TFTP service running? >> >>Hope this helps. >> >>-- >> >>Any technology distinguishable from >>foodoo-magic is insufficiently advanced. >> >> >>Peter Van den Wildenbergh >> >>CriticalControl Solutions Inc. >>Bow Valley Square II >>Suite 2400 >>205 - 5th avenue SW >>Calgary, AB T2P 2V7 >> >>T 403.705.7500 >>F 403.705.7555 >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> > >-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- >John A. Smith >Director of Administration >Breakthrough Urban Ministries >5243 N. Ashland Ave. >Chicago, IL 60640-2001 >PH: 773.989.4382, x230 >FAX: 773.989.7329 >http://www.breakthroughministries.com > > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > The documentation from ltsp.org has some usefull infromation on troubleshooting in this area. http://www.ltsp.org/documentation/index.php Regards Peter Deakin www.trinityschool.org.uk From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Thu Oct 14 21:15:17 2004 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 16:15:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] kernel-headers In-Reply-To: References: <1097779387.22269.6.camel@austinsr.isdesktop.uindy.edu> Message-ID: <25ACF8D6-1E26-11D9-B352-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Just use the "--no-deps" argument on both of them. On Oct 14, 2004, at 3:35 PM, Doug Simpson wrote: > That is just the thing. . . > > I can't install the kernel source because it needs gcc and gcc32, which > won't install because it needs glibc something or other which won't > install because it needs kernel-headers. . . > > Viciuos circle. . . > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > DeQueen Public Schools > DeQueen, AR 71832 > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > Tux for President! > > On Thu, 14 Oct 2004, Shawn R. Austin wrote: > >> You need to install the kernel-source rpm that matches your kernel >> version. >> >> The headers will then be in /usr/src/linux-YOURKERNELVERSION >> >> On Thu, 2004-10-14 at 13:32, Doug Simpson wrote: >>> I am trying to install and make a wireless adapter work using >>> ndiswrapper >>> but after all the rpm fiasco of this needing that, that needing >>> something >>> else, and something else needing still another one, it go to where it >>> wants kernel headers. >>> >>> Can't find them anywhere. . . >>> >>> Any ideas? >>> >>> >>> Doug Simpson >>> Technology Specialist >>> DeQueen Public Schools >>> DeQueen, AR 71832 >>> simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >>> Tux for President! >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkFu7GUACgkQfqZR3ThMfXRMpwCfelHP9EU6+C33ke+lHr5cNHZ6 hFsAni2PRcD06U5WOeQx6DZSMcWkqPKc =1JZx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From bendily at gmail.com Thu Oct 14 21:17:29 2004 From: bendily at gmail.com (Brad Bendily) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 16:17:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP Setup question. Message-ID: Hi, I'm sure this question has been asked and answered before, but I'm not really sure how to look up the question, so i thought I would start here and let you guys point me to some good articles or threads on the subject. I downloaded K-12LTSP and I have it installed and everything seems to be running fine. However, I would like to have the configuration be a little different than the default. I want my server to be setup with only 1 NIC and I'd like the workstations to remain on the public LAN. So I guess this means I would have to have my already existing DHCP server hand out the location of the LTSP tftp server? I'm not sure what else I would have to change. Is there any existing docs out there for this type of setup? Thanks Brad B From pvdw at criticalcontrol.com Thu Oct 14 22:18:38 2004 From: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com (Pete) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 16:18:38 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP Setup question. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <416EFB3E.7050309@criticalcontrol.com> Brad Bendily wrote: >Hi, >I'm sure this question has been asked and answered before, but I'm not >really sure how to look up the question, so i thought I would start here >and let you guys point me to some good articles or threads on the >subject. > >I downloaded K-12LTSP and I have it installed and everything >seems to be running fine. However, I would like to have the >configuration be a little different than the default. > >I want my server to be setup with only 1 NIC and I'd like the workstations >to remain on the public LAN. >So I guess this means I would have to have my already existing DHCP >server hand out the location of the LTSP tftp server? > >I'm not sure what else I would have to change. Is there any existing docs >out there for this type of setup? > >Thanks >Brad B > > > 1. Make sure the DHCPD on the LTS is stopped and the service is NOT started again after the next reboot. (On Fedora Core 1 run levels 3,4 & 5) 2. Tweak the setting of the DHCP server to accomodate your requirements. In the DHCP Service Config Add the 5 values listed below: Code Option Name Value(s) 6 Domain Name Server 192.168.10.2 17 Root Path 192.168.10.1:/opt/ltsp/i386 28 Broadcast Address 192.168.10.255 66 TFTP Server Name 192.168.10.1 67 Boot File Name /lts/vmlinuz.ltsp (In our test environment the LTS box had IP 192.168.10.1 and the Novell DHCP server was 192.168.10.2) What bread is the existing DHCP server? Novell other Linux or ...? Peter -- Any technology distinguishable from foodoo-magic is insufficiently advanced. Peter Van den Wildenbergh Linux Administartor (& advocate) CriticalControl Solutions Inc. Bow Valley Square II Suite 2400 205 - 5th avenue SW Calgary, AB T2P 2V7 T 403.705.7500 F 403.705.7555 From bendily at gmail.com Thu Oct 14 22:46:36 2004 From: bendily at gmail.com (Brad Bendily) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 17:46:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP Setup question. In-Reply-To: <200410142201.i9EM11H28457@downeast.net> References: <200410142201.i9EM11H28457@downeast.net> Message-ID: If only I would have kept reading. I found the 3rd question on this page and it pretty much got me there: http://k12ltsp.org/faq.html Now, I have my client booting, downloading the Kernel, and it loads X. Which is great! I didn't think it would have been this easy so far. The point I'm stuck at now is that X loads, but nothing else. Which is almost what i want. From here I would like to be able to load the Firefox browser only. Can someone point me in the right direction as to what file I need to edit to get Firefox loaded? Of course I would have to put firefox on the box, that I can do, but where should I put the load statement? Thanks BradB From arnlgp at gmail.com Fri Oct 15 02:38:21 2004 From: arnlgp at gmail.com (Arnel Pastrana) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 10:38:21 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Score Ranger Message-ID: <1e4c2ec9041014193856e924b8@mail.gmail.com> Hi all:) Does anyone here saw online score ranger? uses in school ? i saw a device but is a small round score ranger.. i was thinking if somebody uses here like that in online. thanks. Arnel From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Oct 15 05:10:07 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 01:10:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] ANNC: Tux Paint 0.9.14 In-Reply-To: <200410141919.i9EJJmH05828@downeast.net> References: <200410141919.i9EJJmH05828@downeast.net> Message-ID: Bill! You ROCK! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Oct 15 05:18:08 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 01:18:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP Setup question. In-Reply-To: References: <200410142201.i9EM11H28457@downeast.net> Message-ID: Brad Bendily on Thursday, October 14, 2004 at 6:46 PM +0000 wrote: >If only I would have kept reading. >I found the 3rd question on this page and it pretty much got me there: >http://k12ltsp.org/faq.html > >Now, I have my client booting, downloading the Kernel, and it loads X. >Which is great! I didn't think it would have been this easy so far. > >The point I'm stuck at now is that X loads, but nothing else. >Which is almost what i want. From here I would like to be able to load >the Firefox browser only. Can someone point me in the right direction >as to what file I need to edit to get Firefox loaded? Of course I would >have >to put firefox on the box, that I can do, but where should I put the load >statement? Brad, I am now doing the same thing with regard to DHCP and a single NIC set up. I have Terrell Prude on this list to thank for pointing me in the right direction. Below is the text of his response to a post back in July..... ++++++++++++ Mark Cockrell wrote: Hello all, I'm a total newbie (read idiot) when it comes to Linux, so don't be afraid to treat me like one- I can handle it. I've got a Windows NT domain running at the moment, and I want to deploy some LTSP clients throughout the network. Since I want to have the clients spread out throughout the network, the default K12LTSP setup in which the server acts as a router for a lab situation isn't appropriate. Can someone tell me how configure my server with just one NIC and my clients to get their IP address from my existing MS DHCP server and then boot from the Linux server? I await great wisdom. Welcome, Mark, to the world of software freedom! You will not regret it, for many reasons. No "great" wisdom here, but as it turns out, this is exactly how I run all of my K12LTSP deployments. In my case, I use a cisco router as the DHCP server, and it works very, very well. I've not played with the Microsoft DHCP server for netbooting, but I would advise you to consider going with something considerably more standards-compliant...say, ISC DHCPD or a cisco router. Windows DHCP servers are notoriously difficult to get anything netbooting, including LTSP clients. That said, here's how you set up the K12LTSP server. Make sure there's a Gig-E card in your server. No, Fast Ethernet isn't good enough; trust us, you *will* need Gigabit Ethernet. If your motherboard includes a Gig-E integrated NIC, that is also supported by the Linux kernel (most are), you're all set. Make sure that your NIC is *not* hooked up to the school LAN at this point. It has to do with DHCP; just trust us and do it for now; we'll get to that. Install K12LTSP, plugging in whatever IP address you've assigned in your IP range; your Gig-E card will be seen as eth0. Note that this presumes that you don't have any other NICs in the box, or if you've got those integrated FastEthernet NICs, that you've disabled 'em in the BIOS. After you install K12LTSP (you still haven't hooked up to the LAN yet, be patient), then you've got just a bit more work to do. Remember that K12LTSP has a built-in DHCP server in it (ISC DHCPD, to be precise), and we need to disable it or else you'll hose your entire LAN. Here we go. Fire up a terminal session, su to root, and do this: [root takhisis microman]# /sbin/service dhcpd stop This will stop the DHCP "daemon", which is the original name for what Windows people call a "service". On any UNIX or UNIX-like system, they're known as daemons. That's why, BTW, there's that "d" at the end of "dhcpd". OK, great, we've stopped dhcpd, but that's only until the next reboot! Not good. So, we'll tell GNU/Linux to not start it at boot-time, either! Heh heh... [root takhisis microman]# chkconfig --level 2345 dhcpd off *NOW*, you can hook up your K12LTSP server to the LAN. There is one last thing to do on the K12LTSP server. You've got to tweak /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf to reflect your actual subnet. This is because the default assumes 192.168.0.*/24. In my case, I run subnets of 10.0.0.0/9, specifically /20's, so 192.168.0.*/24 ain't gonna work for me. You may also need to tweak /etc/hosts to change all the 192.168.0's to whatever your IP subnet is. KEdit's "Find & Replace" function comes in very handy here. That ought to do it for the K12LTSP server. At this point, you get to set your Windows DHCP scope to hand out the proper parameters. Take a look through the archives of this list, because I recall someone posting the specific tweaks that they had to do in Windows to make it work. Of course, you *could* simply switch from using the Windows DHCP service to the ISC DHCPD built into K12LTSP! :-) Seriously, that might be a better solution, since you'll be running a single-NIC K12LTSP server, thus everyone on the LAN can see that server. Hope this helps, --TP +++++++++++++++ David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org Fri Oct 15 08:00:17 2004 From: jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org (Jonathan Carter) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 10:00:17 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] kturtle Message-ID: <416F8391.6090003@shuttleworthfoundation.org> Hi Guys Can anyone give me advice on getting kturtle to work on K12LTSP? And possibly where I can get it too. thanks Jonathan -- Jonathan Carter The Shuttleworth Foundation - Supporting social innovation Ph (021) 970 1230 | Fax: (021) 970 1231 http://www.shuttleworthfoundation.org From dyioulos at firstbhph.com Fri Oct 15 11:42:18 2004 From: dyioulos at firstbhph.com (Dimitri Yioulos) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 07:42:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Simple mail relay Message-ID: <200410151141.i9FBffmO026627@mail1.firstbhph.com> Hello all. I'm not sure if this made it to the list yesterday, and I hope this question is relevant to the list: I have hylafax running on one of my servers, and it works very well. I'd like hylafax to notify me when a fax is successfully sent or received. My issue (and this would apply to other situations) is that, while I have sendmail installed on the same box, it seems like overkill to use it for this one simple task. Is there a "lighter" relay agent (or is that MTA?), which would relay the fax info. to our actual mail (also sendmail) server? As always, thanks. Dimitri -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gumprechtm at msln.net Fri Oct 15 11:44:02 2004 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 07:44:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] sshvnc tools In-Reply-To: <200410141924.i9EJOIH06603@downeast.net> References: <200410141924.i9EJOIH06603@downeast.net> Message-ID: <416FB802.1060608@msln.net> cliebow at downeast.net wrote: >could it be hosts.allow/hosts.deny with tcpwrappers?? > > > I checked them this am and they seem OK. I bounced them against the working server and they were the same. I was wondering if there was some kind of access file allowing just the local subnet to access and not the rest of the world? It just screems firewall, but I have tried shuting off the server firewall and allowing all traffic by default to the server through the sonicwall from the internet. Just doesn't seem to matter. -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, Maine gumprechtm at msln.net From gumprechtm at msln.net Fri Oct 15 11:51:30 2004 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 07:51:30 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] books (off topic maybe) Message-ID: <416FB9C2.7010503@msln.net> I, for one, am new to linux and basically have enough knowledge to be dangerous. I've jumped in by using only linux on my work machine, no matter how long it takes to figure it out. Are there any really good books to help out newbies? I have checked out many, but they seem to be either to general or to in depth. Can the masters of this list suggest books that would better the community's knowledge? TIA -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, Maine gumprechtm at msln.net From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Fri Oct 15 12:33:51 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 07:33:51 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP Setup question. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Why would you want your workstations on a public IP number? Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Thu, 14 Oct 2004, Brad Bendily wrote: > Hi, > I'm sure this question has been asked and answered before, but I'm not > really sure how to look up the question, so i thought I would start here > and let you guys point me to some good articles or threads on the > subject. > > I downloaded K-12LTSP and I have it installed and everything > seems to be running fine. However, I would like to have the > configuration be a little different than the default. > > I want my server to be setup with only 1 NIC and I'd like the workstations > to remain on the public LAN. > So I guess this means I would have to have my already existing DHCP > server hand out the location of the LTSP tftp server? > > I'm not sure what else I would have to change. Is there any existing docs > out there for this type of setup? > > Thanks > Brad B > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ckjohnson at gwi.net Fri Oct 15 12:42:08 2004 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 08:42:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] sshvnc tools In-Reply-To: <416FB802.1060608@msln.net> References: <200410141924.i9EJOIH06603@downeast.net> <416FB802.1060608@msln.net> Message-ID: <416FC5A0.7050103@gwi.net> Mark Gumprecht wrote: > > > cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > >> could it be hosts.allow/hosts.deny with tcpwrappers?? >> >> >> > I checked them this am and they seem OK. I bounced them against the > working server and they were the same. I was wondering if there was > some kind of access file allowing just the local subnet to access and > not the rest of the world? It just screems firewall, but I have tried > shuting off the server firewall and allowing all traffic by default to > the server through the sonicwall from the internet. Just doesn't seem > to matter. > How about running ethereal on the server to look for clues in the packet trace? If you don't have it yet: yum install ethereal-gnome Chris -- ----------------------------------------------------------- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 From cliebow at downeast.net Fri Oct 15 12:27:14 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 12:27:14 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Teach2 Message-ID: <200410151228.i9FCSrU00140@downeast.net> Chris: i added a button for view only--any gut feeling for running teo independent sessions??i know we are on 5900--localhost:0...will vnc open the next highter portfro a second session-chuck --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From petre at maltzen.net Fri Oct 15 13:08:28 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 08:08:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] sshvnc tools In-Reply-To: <416FB802.1060608@msln.net> References: <200410141924.i9EJOIH06603@downeast.net> <416FB802.1060608@msln.net> Message-ID: <416FCBCC.3060708@maltzen.net> I don't know if it would help you or not, but you might try running ssh -L 3700:ltspserver:5900 ltspserver from the remote site to your ltsp server (ltspserver), and then on the remote client run vncviewer and point it at localhost:3700. This will run your vnc traffic through the SSH tunnel created in the first step. Using sshvnc does all this for you automatically, as others have pointed out. But trying this might tell you something about where your problem is depending on whether it works or not. Petre Mark Gumprecht wrote: > > > cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > >> could it be hosts.allow/hosts.deny with tcpwrappers?? >> >> >> > I checked them this am and they seem OK. I bounced them against the > working server and they were the same. I was wondering if there was some > kind of access file allowing just the local subnet to access and not the > rest of the world? It just screems firewall, but I have tried shuting > off the server firewall and allowing all traffic by default to the > server through the sonicwall from the internet. Just doesn't seem to > matter. > From ckjohnson at gwi.net Fri Oct 15 13:08:17 2004 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 09:08:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Teach2 In-Reply-To: <200410151228.i9FCSrU00140@downeast.net> References: <200410151228.i9FCSrU00140@downeast.net> Message-ID: <416FCBC1.6050801@gwi.net> cliebow at downeast.net wrote: >Chris: i added a button for view only--any gut feeling for running teo >independent sessions??i know we are on 5900--localhost:0...will vnc open >the next highter portfro a second >session-chuck > > It should work fine unless you make more than one connection to the same workstation. The only fixed port in the command used is 5900 at the workstation. The local port that is forwarded is dynamically assigned by vnc since we use the -via mechanism to make the ssh connection with the forwarded port. Chris -- ----------------------------------------------------------- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 From lsrpm at mts.net Fri Oct 15 13:19:04 2004 From: lsrpm at mts.net (Liam Marshall) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 08:19:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] TeacherTool In-Reply-To: <1096548845.12630.1.camel@server.ltsp> References: <200409281919.i8SJJxW05878@downeast.net> <1096548845.12630.1.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <1097846344.7125.4.camel@server.ltsp> On Thu, 2004-09-30 at 07:54, Liam Marshall wrote: > On Tue, 2004-09-28 at 14:16, cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > > i'd bet eric harrison can make it work.....or Chris Johnson...chiuck > > > On Tue, 2004-09-28 at 12:46, Liam Marshall wrote: > > > > On Tue, 2004-09-28 at 12:12, Huck wrote: > > > > > Posting TeacherTool: > > > > > Hopes it's okay to do so... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this works better. Now I get a list of gdm at ws187.ltsp etc.... > > > > but they are all just sitting at the login waiting. My own username > > > > shows up and I can manipulate it, but none of the other users currently > > > > logged on > > > > > > > > Why would this be? > > > > > > > I just discovered what is happening myself, although I don't understand > > > why. > > > > > > I made each student's username their individual school provided unique > > > student number. (ie 04-111 for John Doe) I did it that way to make it > > > easy to create 600+ users from an exported file. It had the advantage > > > of being unique for everyone and easy for them to remember. > > > > > > Unfortunately, Linux utilities do not seem to like usernames that begin > > > with numbers. > > > > > > TeacherTool ignores users who's username does not begin with a letter. > > > Bummer, Sh**t and other expletives! I shot myself in the foot. I made > > > my life easy at the beginning of the year now I can't use TeacherTool > > > because of it!!! > > > > > > Unless someone knows how to correct this issue? > > > > > > Please > > > > > I would love it if someone could modify it for me, if possible. the > idea of using student numbers for their usernames is just too tempting > to pass up. I would dearly love for TeacherTool to troll for usernames > beginning with numbers as well as letters > If there is a quick fix for getting teachertool to pull usernames that start with numbers( well, the whole thing is a number, actually) I would really appreciate it. For this year I do not see a convenient way to change 600+ usernames to include an alpha at the beginning. I mean I know I could do it with a batch script physically, but it is the relearning for the kids that I do not want to deal with From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Fri Oct 15 13:39:01 2004 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:39:01 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] books (off topic maybe) In-Reply-To: <416FB9C2.7010503@msln.net> References: <416FB9C2.7010503@msln.net> Message-ID: <200410151439.01840.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> On Friday 15 Oct 2004 12:51 pm, Mark Gumprecht wrote: > I, for one, am new to linux and basically have enough knowledge to be > dangerous. I've jumped in by using only linux on my work machine, no > matter how long it takes to figure it out. Are there any really good > books to help out newbies? I have checked out many, but they seem to be > either to general or to in depth. Can the masters of this list suggest > books that would better the community's knowledge? A general linux book is a jolly fine investment, the fatter the better. I have The Complete Reference: Linux Fourth Edition by Richard Peterson published by Osborne ISBN 0-07-212940-9, which covers RH7 (amongst others) and includes in it a RH7 CD (only one though). You could have trouble getting a copy, as I suspect it is now out of print. Computer books never hang around for long; of course he may have written a new edition. I've found this book very useful; I wish we had a similar textbook when I first started in Unix back in 1990, rather than having to rely on the man command. A very good website is The Linux Documentation Project at http://www.tldp.org/ The magazine Linux Format sometimes has a complete mirror on the cover DVD. -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Fri Oct 15 13:48:31 2004 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:48:31 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP Setup question. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200410151448.31488.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> On Thu, 14 Oct 2004, Brad Bendily wrote: > I want my server to be setup with only 1 NIC and I'd like the > workstations to remain on the public LAN. > So I guess this means I would have to have my already existing DHCP > server hand out the location of the LTSP tftp server? Why not run two DHCP servers, your existing one and the LTSP server? We have 8 DHCP servers, the 6 LTSP servers and 1 NT which all dole out the same IP range (for the students), and a W2K which doles out a different range (for the admin staff). The students run a mix of ltsp and win 98 and the admin staff XP. Not only does this never cause problems (perhaps we are lucky) but I have done a huge amount of investigation on our network, and the thin clients always pick up an ip address from a random choice of one of the Linux boxes and the W98 clients (to the NT server) generally get theirs from said NT box. If they get one from one of the Linux boxes then they still can connect to the NT box. The XP boxes always get theirs from the W2K box. Like the ad says "isn't in nice when things just work" -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From accessys at smart.net Fri Oct 15 14:18:19 2004 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 10:18:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] books (off topic maybe) In-Reply-To: <200410151439.01840.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> References: <416FB9C2.7010503@msln.net> <200410151439.01840.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> Message-ID: On Fri, 15 Oct 2004, Martin Woolley wrote: > On Friday 15 Oct 2004 12:51 pm, Mark Gumprecht wrote: > > I, for one, am new to linux and basically have enough knowledge to be > > dangerous. I've jumped in by using only linux on my work machine, no > > matter how long it takes to figure it out. Are there any really good > > books to help out newbies? I have checked out many, but they seem to be > > A general linux book is a jolly fine investment, the fatter the better. > I have The Complete Reference: Linux Fourth Edition by Richard Peterson > published by Osborne ISBN 0-07-212940-9, which covers RH7 (amongst others) > and includes in it a RH7 CD (only one though). You could have trouble this book is so far over the head of the average newbie as to be more confusing than it is worth. I think I am in the same position and have searched high and low, and spent hundreds of dollars on worthless books, they are either too basic (linux for dummies) or like the "Complete Reference so over the head of the mid line user. the bookss that have remained on the front of my shelf over the computer are "linux Power Tools" Roderick Smith publish by Sybex . still advanced but the step by step instructions are followable even if you don't understand what your doing. an oldie but still a goodie "Red Hat Linux, fast and easy" C & C Witherspoon pub by Prima tech now a good book but it only covers using the K desktop is "Linux in the Workplace" Linux Journal Press, pub by No Starch now for open office org "OpenOffice.org Resource kit" is the kind of book I would like to see for all of linux, it is complete and fairly comprehensive without being over your head, but it only covers Open Office good luck I am still looking for that book for the rest of us too. Bob ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From petre at maltzen.net Fri Oct 15 14:45:34 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 09:45:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] books (off topic maybe) In-Reply-To: References: <416FB9C2.7010503@msln.net> <200410151439.01840.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> Message-ID: <416FE28E.1070401@maltzen.net> Marcel Gagne has written a few books that I think are pretty good. His "Linux System Administration" is a decent general purpose book. He's got a new one out--I forget the title--that seems to be getting decent reviews. OTOH, I own at least 20 O'Reilly books, and more than that in non-O'Reilly books because I've rarely found one book on a subject that covers everything I want. Petre Access Systems wrote: > On Fri, 15 Oct 2004, Martin Woolley wrote: > > >>On Friday 15 Oct 2004 12:51 pm, Mark Gumprecht wrote: >> >>>I, for one, am new to linux and basically have enough knowledge to be >>>dangerous. I've jumped in by using only linux on my work machine, no >>>matter how long it takes to figure it out. Are there any really good >>>books to help out newbies? I have checked out many, but they seem to be >> >>A general linux book is a jolly fine investment, the fatter the better. >>I have The Complete Reference: Linux Fourth Edition by Richard Peterson >>published by Osborne ISBN 0-07-212940-9, which covers RH7 (amongst others) >>and includes in it a RH7 CD (only one though). You could have trouble > > > this book is so far over the head of the average newbie as to be more > confusing than it is worth. I think I am in the same position and have > searched high and low, and spent hundreds of dollars on worthless books, > they are either too basic (linux for dummies) or like the "Complete > Reference so over the head of the mid line user. > > the bookss that have remained on the front of my shelf over the computer > are > > "linux Power Tools" Roderick Smith publish by Sybex > > . still advanced but the step by step instructions are followable even > if you don't understand what your doing. > > an oldie but still a goodie > > "Red Hat Linux, fast and easy" C & C Witherspoon pub by Prima tech > > now a good book but it only covers using the K desktop is > > "Linux in the Workplace" Linux Journal Press, pub by No Starch > > now for open office org > > "OpenOffice.org Resource kit" is the kind of book I would like to see for > all of linux, it is complete and fairly comprehensive without being over > your head, but it only covers Open Office > > good luck I am still looking for that book for the rest of us too. > > Bob > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary > safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob > NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net > NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers > NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right > *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# > THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be > privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Fri Oct 15 14:53:06 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 09:53:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Simple mail relay In-Reply-To: <200410151141.i9FBffmO026627@mail1.firstbhph.com> References: <200410151141.i9FBffmO026627@mail1.firstbhph.com> Message-ID: <1097851985.10629.22.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-10-15 at 06:42, Dimitri Yioulos wrote: > I have hylafax running on one of my servers, and it works very well. > I?d like hylafax to notify me when a fax is successfully sent or > received. My issue (and this would apply to other situations) is > that, while I have sendmail installed on the same box, it seems like > overkill to use it for this one simple task. Is there a ?lighter? > relay agent (or is that MTA?), which would relay the fax info. to our > actual mail (also sendmail) server? For non-GUI apps, you can generally leave the allocation of resources up to the Linux kernel which does a very good job of it. That is, even though sendmail is a big program, it won't consume much of your machine's resources when its only activity is periodically scanning your empty queue. Unused parts of the program will either never be loaded or will be paged back out if something else needs the memory. And when you do have a job for it, using an old and well-tuned program is likely to be more efficient than some recent hack re-write. You can't take quite the same approach with GUI programs because they tend to be much bigger when they drag in the dozens of different toolkits and shared libraries that each uses. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From staffords at glenburn.net Fri Oct 15 15:17:34 2004 From: staffords at glenburn.net (Shane Stafford) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 11:17:34 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Video issue 3dlabs Permedia card In-Reply-To: <200410151141.i9FBffmO026627@mail1.firstbhph.com> References: <200410151141.i9FBffmO026627@mail1.firstbhph.com> Message-ID: no luck in getting this one to work and I have about 7 of these machines. Card appears to be a 8mb 3DLabs Accel Permedia 2V any ideas about what to put in lts.conf thanks in advance Shane Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer S & B Consulting From les at futuresource.com Fri Oct 15 15:33:42 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 10:33:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] sshvnc tools In-Reply-To: <416FCBCC.3060708@maltzen.net> References: <200410141924.i9EJOIH06603@downeast.net> <416FB802.1060608@msln.net> <416FCBCC.3060708@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1097854422.10629.42.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-10-15 at 08:08, Petre Scheie wrote: > I don't know if it would help you or not, but you might try running > > ssh -L 3700:ltspserver:5900 ltspserver > > from the remote site to your ltsp server (ltspserver), and then on the remote > client run vncviewer and point it at localhost:3700. This will run your vnc > traffic through the SSH tunnel created in the first step. Using sshvnc does all > this for you automatically, as others have pointed out. But trying this might > tell you something about where your problem is depending on whether it works or not. Vncviewer will do the grunge work of setting up the ssh tunnel for you if you use the -via option: vncviewer -via ltspserver localhost (the ssh server specified doesn't have to be the same as the vnc target as long as it can reach it). Be sure you are using the correct name for the outside interface of the ssh server and the name or IP used on the inside for the vncserver if they are different. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From k12ltsp at hermon.net Fri Oct 15 17:45:00 2004 From: k12ltsp at hermon.net (k12ltsp) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 13:45:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Terminal Screen Timeout Message-ID: Terminals connecting to a K12LTSP 4.0.1 server generally seem to have a screen timeout of about five minutes. Is there a setting that can be altered to increase that? From nbs at sonic.net Fri Oct 15 18:12:20 2004 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 11:12:20 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] ANNC: Tux Paint 0.9.14 In-Reply-To: References: <200410141919.i9EJJmH05828@downeast.net> Message-ID: <20041015181220.GA18790@sonic.net> On Fri, Oct 15, 2004 at 01:10:07AM -0400, David Trask wrote: > Bill! You ROCK! Thanks. It's not just me any more, though! (Hasn't been for a long time.) Folks like Ben Armstrong, John Popplewell, Mark K. Kim and Karl Ove Hufthammer have helped /immensely/ lately. (Esp. the latter two, when it comes to i18n stuff! Karl's also done tons to make the TP website better...) And, of course, there are the dozens of folks who've helped translate stuff. But still, thanks. ;) ego++; -bill! From colin.a at gmail.com Fri Oct 15 18:57:38 2004 From: colin.a at gmail.com (Colin Applegate) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:57:38 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] good basic complier/editor In-Reply-To: <002201c4b218$21d9af10$c605000a@ebaci> References: <416EB29A.4000207@paasda.org> <002201c4b218$21d9af10$c605000a@ebaci> Message-ID: <8e8f7f4904101511575ba70574@mail.gmail.com> Baci, I googled for your request and found the following url: http://www.hotfeet.ch/~gemi/LDT/lang_basic.html Basic intrepreters/compilers ranging from AppleScript support to M$'s MBasic. I hope this helps! -Colin Applegate Student Administrator LTSP Lab Yorktown High School On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:03:38 -0500, Chris Bacigalupo wrote: > Anyone have a lead on a good Linux compliant basic complier and/or > editor > > >>baci > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From epingel at webmail.pella.k12.ia.us Fri Oct 15 19:11:29 2004 From: epingel at webmail.pella.k12.ia.us (Eric Pingel) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:11:29 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] books (off topic maybe) In-Reply-To: <20041015160034.B5FED74184@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20041015160034.B5FED74184@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <47417.207.165.149.231.1097867489.squirrel@webmail.pella.k12.ia.us> Try safari.oreilly.com. It is a great resource for all oreilly books and texts from other publishers. 14.95 a month gets you 10 slots on your "bookshelf". I am a book hound and have seriously cut down on my spending. Barnes&Noble / Borders love me. > Send K12OSN mailing list submissions to > k12osn at redhat.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > k12osn-request at redhat.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > k12osn-owner at redhat.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of K12OSN digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: books (off topic maybe) (Petre Scheie) > 2. Re: Simple mail relay (Les Mikesell) > 3. Video issue 3dlabs Permedia card (Shane Stafford) > 4. Re: sshvnc tools (Les Mikesell) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 09:45:34 -0500 > From: Petre Scheie > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] books (off topic maybe) > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Message-ID: <416FE28E.1070401 at maltzen.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > Marcel Gagne has written a few books that I think are pretty good. His > "Linux > System Administration" is a decent general purpose book. He's got a new > one > out--I forget the title--that seems to be getting decent reviews. OTOH, I > own at > least 20 O'Reilly books, and more than that in non-O'Reilly books because > I've > rarely found one book on a subject that covers everything I want. > > Petre > > Access Systems wrote: >> On Fri, 15 Oct 2004, Martin Woolley wrote: >> >> >>>On Friday 15 Oct 2004 12:51 pm, Mark Gumprecht wrote: >>> >>>>I, for one, am new to linux and basically have enough knowledge to be >>>>dangerous. I've jumped in by using only linux on my work machine, no >>>>matter how long it takes to figure it out. Are there any really good >>>>books to help out newbies? I have checked out many, but they seem to be >>> >>>A general linux book is a jolly fine investment, the fatter the better. >>>I have The Complete Reference: Linux Fourth Edition by Richard Peterson >>>published by Osborne ISBN 0-07-212940-9, which covers RH7 (amongst >>> others) >>>and includes in it a RH7 CD (only one though). You could have trouble >> >> >> this book is so far over the head of the average newbie as to be more >> confusing than it is worth. I think I am in the same position and have >> searched high and low, and spent hundreds of dollars on worthless books, >> they are either too basic (linux for dummies) or like the "Complete >> Reference so over the head of the mid line user. >> >> the bookss that have remained on the front of my shelf over the computer >> are >> >> "linux Power Tools" Roderick Smith publish by Sybex >> >> . still advanced but the step by step instructions are followable even >> if you don't understand what your doing. >> >> an oldie but still a goodie >> >> "Red Hat Linux, fast and easy" C & C Witherspoon pub by Prima tech >> >> now a good book but it only covers using the K desktop is >> >> "Linux in the Workplace" Linux Journal Press, pub by No Starch >> >> now for open office org >> >> "OpenOffice.org Resource kit" is the kind of book I would like to see >> for >> all of linux, it is complete and fairly comprehensive without being over >> your head, but it only covers Open Office >> >> good luck I am still looking for that book for the rest of us too. >> >> Bob >> >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see >> http://expita.com/nomime.html >> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> >> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary >> safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >> - >> ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob >> NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net >> NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, >> engineers >> NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right >> *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# >> THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be >> privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 09:53:06 -0500 > From: Les Mikesell > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Simple mail relay > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Message-ID: <1097851985.10629.22.camel at moola.futuresource.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > On Fri, 2004-10-15 at 06:42, Dimitri Yioulos wrote: > >> I have hylafax running on one of my servers, and it works very well. >> I???d like hylafax to notify me when a fax is successfully sent or >> received. My issue (and this would apply to other situations) is >> that, while I have sendmail installed on the same box, it seems like >> overkill to use it for this one simple task. Is there a ???lighter??? >> relay agent (or is that MTA?), which would relay the fax info. to our >> actual mail (also sendmail) server? > > For non-GUI apps, you can generally leave the allocation of resources > up to the Linux kernel which does a very good job of it. That is, even > though sendmail is a big program, it won't consume much of your > machine's resources when its only activity is periodically scanning > your empty queue. Unused parts of the program will either never be > loaded or will be paged back out if something else needs the memory. > And when you do have a job for it, using an old and well-tuned program > is likely to be more efficient than some recent hack re-write. > > You can't take quite the same approach with GUI programs because they > tend to be much bigger when they drag in the dozens of different > toolkits and shared libraries that each uses. > > --- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 11:17:34 -0400 > From: "Shane Stafford" > Subject: [K12OSN] Video issue 3dlabs Permedia card > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Cc: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > no luck in getting this one to work and I have about 7 of these machines. > Card appears to be a 8mb 3DLabs Accel Permedia 2V > > any ideas about what to put in lts.conf > > thanks in advance > Shane > > Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT > Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town > Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer > S & B Consulting > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 10:33:42 -0500 > From: Les Mikesell > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] sshvnc tools > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Message-ID: <1097854422.10629.42.camel at moola.futuresource.com> > Content-Type: text/plain > > On Fri, 2004-10-15 at 08:08, Petre Scheie wrote: >> I don't know if it would help you or not, but you might try running >> >> ssh -L 3700:ltspserver:5900 ltspserver >> >> from the remote site to your ltsp server (ltspserver), and then on the >> remote >> client run vncviewer and point it at localhost:3700. This will run your >> vnc >> traffic through the SSH tunnel created in the first step. Using sshvnc >> does all >> this for you automatically, as others have pointed out. But trying this >> might >> tell you something about where your problem is depending on whether it >> works or not. > > Vncviewer will do the grunge work of setting up the ssh tunnel > for you if you use the -via option: > vncviewer -via ltspserver localhost > (the ssh server specified doesn't have to be the same as the > vnc target as long as it can reach it). Be sure you are using > the correct name for the outside interface of the ssh server > and the name or IP used on the inside for the vncserver if they > are different. > > --- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > End of K12OSN Digest, Vol 8, Issue 56 > ************************************* > -- Eric Pingel Instructional Technologist/Webmaster/DBA Pella Community School District 210 E. University Pella, IA 50210 http://www.pella.k12.ia.us (641)628-3870 work (641)780-1503 cell From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Oct 15 21:59:22 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:59:22 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] TeacherTool In-Reply-To: <1097846344.7125.4.camel@server.ltsp> References: <200409281919.i8SJJxW05878@downeast.net> <1096548845.12630.1.camel@server.ltsp> <1097846344.7125.4.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <4170483A.3050908@paasda.org> below is the function I believe that you are looking for to tweak in TeacherTool... not sure where the tweak would go for 'numbers' or not.. looks like it's reading the whole thing as a string so should come out right to begin with? --Huck def populateList(self): " Populates the list of user with unique user at machines combinations " self.listBox.deleteAll() userList = [] #fd = os.popen("cat FakeData") # TESTING fd = os.popen("netstat -t -e | grep x11 | sed -e 's/ \+/ /g' -e 's/:/ /g'") # REAL consoleOutput = fd.readlines() fd.close() self.listBox.deleteAll() for line in consoleOutput: lineParts = string.split(line) if len(lineParts) >= 9: machine = lineParts[5] user = lineParts[8] else: # RH9 bug? machine = lineParts[3] user = lineParts[6] if (user != "root" and not user[0] in string.digits): userList.append(user+"@"+machine) userList = self.gu.uniqueItems(userList) userList.sort() for item in userList: self.listBox.add(item) >>If there is a quick fix for getting teachertool to pull usernames that >>start with numbers( well, the whole thing is a number, actually) I would >>really appreciate it. For this year I do not see a convenient way to >>change 600+ usernames to include an alpha at the beginning. I mean I >>know I could do it with a batch script physically, but it is the >>relearning for the kids that I do not want to deal with >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> >> From ckjohnson at gwi.net Fri Oct 15 22:09:19 2004 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 18:09:19 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] TeacherTool In-Reply-To: <4170483A.3050908@paasda.org> References: <200409281919.i8SJJxW05878@downeast.net> <1096548845.12630.1.camel@server.ltsp> <1097846344.7125.4.camel@server.ltsp> <4170483A.3050908@paasda.org> Message-ID: <41704A8F.6020906@gwi.net> Huck wrote: > below is the function I believe that you are looking for to tweak in > TeacherTool... > not sure where the tweak would go for 'numbers' or not.. > looks like it's reading the whole thing as a string so should come out > right to begin with? > --Huck > > > def populateList(self): > " Populates the list of user with unique user at machines > combinations " > self.listBox.deleteAll() > userList = [] > > #fd = os.popen("cat FakeData") # TESTING > fd = os.popen("netstat -t -e | grep x11 | sed -e 's/ \+/ /g' -e > 's/:/ /g'") # REAL > > consoleOutput = fd.readlines() > fd.close() > self.listBox.deleteAll() > for line in consoleOutput: > lineParts = string.split(line) > if len(lineParts) >= 9: > machine = lineParts[5] > user = lineParts[8] > else: # RH9 bug? > machine = lineParts[3] > user = lineParts[6] > if (user != "root" and not user[0] in string.digits): > userList.append(user+"@"+machine) > > userList = self.gu.uniqueItems(userList) > userList.sort() > for item in userList: > self.listBox.add(item) > I suspect the problem is this line: if (user != "root" and not user[0] in string.digits): Because it is testing that the first character in user is not a numeric digit. What I do not know since there are no comments, is why lines with such user values were deliberately excluded in the first place. Try changing it to this, but watch out whether you get other unexpected lines in the user list: if (user != "root"): Chris -- ----------------------------------------------------------- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 From prentice at instruction.com Fri Oct 15 22:11:52 2004 From: prentice at instruction.com (Dave Prentice) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 17:11:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Video issue 3dlabs Permedia card (Shane Stafford) Message-ID: <01c4b303$f97b55e0$6500000a@Dave.HOME> >Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 11:17:34 -0400 >From: "Shane Stafford" >Subject: [K12OSN] Video issue 3dlabs Permedia card >To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." >no luck in getting this one to work and I have about 7 of these machines. >Card appears to be a 8mb 3DLabs Accel Permedia 2V >any ideas about what to put in lts.conf >thanks in advance >Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT >Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town >Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer >S & B Consulting > You didn't say what type of clients. I had lots of video troubles with Compaqs, until Chris Thomas gave the solution. Instead of editing lts.conf, you modify vidlist in the same directory to use the correct drivers. I don't remember the exact details, but in the archives check out Chris's post in Volume 7, Issue 80. Dave Prentice prentice at instruction.com http://www.originsresource.org Video issue 3dlabs Permedia card (Shane Stafford) From dalen at czexan.net Fri Oct 15 22:17:48 2004 From: dalen at czexan.net (dale) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 17:17:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] e1000 client nic problem Message-ID: <41704C8C.1070403@czexan.net> Hello, I am setting up a k12ltsp 4.1.1 server and a few clients at home with an 8 port Gb switch. I have an nforce based client with builtin 100Mb nic. I added an intel 82546 1Gb nic to net boot the client. When it tries to boot, it errors out using forcedeth module (says something about changing option 129 in /etc/dhcpd.conf). I suspect the boot process sees the nforce nic and assumes I want to boot from it rather than the intel nic. I modified /etc/dhcpd.conf on the server, changing the mac address for ws001 and option 129 to e1000. Now when it tries to boot, it says something about too big (It flashes by fast) and then goes to a cannot boot screen. tail -f /var/log/messages only shows tftp client does not accept options /etc/dhcpd.conf mentions setting run_dhcpd=1 in /etc/init.d/dhcpd but I did not see any reference to run_dhcpd in /etc/init.d/dhcpd so I ignored this. Does anyone have advice to what I should try next? Thanks, Dale Sykora From sj at redpumas.com Fri Oct 15 23:20:17 2004 From: sj at redpumas.com (Steve James) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 00:20:17 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] books (off topic maybe) In-Reply-To: <47417.207.165.149.231.1097867489.squirrel@webmail.pella.k12.ia.us> References: <20041015160034.B5FED74184@hormel.redhat.com> <47417.207.165.149.231.1097867489.squirrel@webmail.pella.k12.ia.us> Message-ID: <41705B31.8040702@redpumas.com> I second the Safari bookshelf and Marcel Gagne books. I have found the IBM developer network tutorials very weel written too, the Linux LPI certification (101 parts 1 to 4 & 102 parts 1 to 4) tutorials are a good place to start. Its free, but you have to register to actually download, available in PDF or html. http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/views/linux/tutorials.jsp http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/newto/ Steve Eric Pingel wrote: >Try safari.oreilly.com. It is a great resource for all oreilly books and >texts from other publishers. 14.95 a month gets you 10 slots on your >"bookshelf". I am a book hound and have seriously cut down on my >spending. Barnes&Noble / Borders love me. > > >>Send K12OSN mailing list submissions to >> k12osn at redhat.com >> >>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> k12osn-request at redhat.com >> >>You can reach the person managing the list at >> k12osn-owner at redhat.com >> >>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>than "Re: Contents of K12OSN digest..." >> >> >>Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: books (off topic maybe) (Petre Scheie) >> 2. Re: Simple mail relay (Les Mikesell) >> 3. Video issue 3dlabs Permedia card (Shane Stafford) >> 4. Re: sshvnc tools (Les Mikesell) >> >> >>---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>Message: 1 >>Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 09:45:34 -0500 >>From: Petre Scheie >>Subject: Re: [K12OSN] books (off topic maybe) >>To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." >> >>Message-ID: <416FE28E.1070401 at maltzen.net> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed >> >>Marcel Gagne has written a few books that I think are pretty good. His >>"Linux >>System Administration" is a decent general purpose book. He's got a new >>one >>out--I forget the title--that seems to be getting decent reviews. OTOH, I >>own at >>least 20 O'Reilly books, and more than that in non-O'Reilly books because >>I've >>rarely found one book on a subject that covers everything I want. >> >>Petre >> >>Access Systems wrote: >> >> >>>On Fri, 15 Oct 2004, Martin Woolley wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>On Friday 15 Oct 2004 12:51 pm, Mark Gumprecht wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>I, for one, am new to linux and basically have enough knowledge to be >>>>>dangerous. I've jumped in by using only linux on my work machine, no >>>>>matter how long it takes to figure it out. Are there any really good >>>>>books to help out newbies? I have checked out many, but they seem to be >>>>> >>>>> >>>>A general linux book is a jolly fine investment, the fatter the better. >>>>I have The Complete Reference: Linux Fourth Edition by Richard Peterson >>>>published by Osborne ISBN 0-07-212940-9, which covers RH7 (amongst >>>>others) >>>>and includes in it a RH7 CD (only one though). You could have trouble >>>> >>>> >>>this book is so far over the head of the average newbie as to be more >>>confusing than it is worth. I think I am in the same position and have >>>searched high and low, and spent hundreds of dollars on worthless books, >>>they are either too basic (linux for dummies) or like the "Complete >>>Reference so over the head of the mid line user. >>> >>>the bookss that have remained on the front of my shelf over the computer >>>are >>> >>>"linux Power Tools" Roderick Smith publish by Sybex >>> >>> . still advanced but the step by step instructions are followable even >>>if you don't understand what your doing. >>> >>>an oldie but still a goodie >>> >>>"Red Hat Linux, fast and easy" C & C Witherspoon pub by Prima tech >>> >>>now a good book but it only covers using the K desktop is >>> >>>"Linux in the Workplace" Linux Journal Press, pub by No Starch >>> >>>now for open office org >>> >>>"OpenOffice.org Resource kit" is the kind of book I would like to see >>>for >>>all of linux, it is complete and fairly comprehensive without being over >>>your head, but it only covers Open Office >>> >>>good luck I am still looking for that book for the rest of us too. >>> >>>Bob >>> >>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>>CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see >>>http://expita.com/nomime.html >>>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> >>>"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary >>>safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin >>>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>>- >>> ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob >>> NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net >>> NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, >>>engineers >>> NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right >>>*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# >>>THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be >>>privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >>> >>> >> >>------------------------------ >> >>Message: 2 >>Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 09:53:06 -0500 >>From: Les Mikesell >>Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Simple mail relay >>To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." >> >>Message-ID: <1097851985.10629.22.camel at moola.futuresource.com> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> >>On Fri, 2004-10-15 at 06:42, Dimitri Yioulos wrote: >> >> >> >>>I have hylafax running on one of my servers, and it works very well. >>>I???d like hylafax to notify me when a fax is successfully sent or >>>received. My issue (and this would apply to other situations) is >>>that, while I have sendmail installed on the same box, it seems like >>>overkill to use it for this one simple task. Is there a ???lighter??? >>>relay agent (or is that MTA?), which would relay the fax info. to our >>>actual mail (also sendmail) server? >>> >>> >>For non-GUI apps, you can generally leave the allocation of resources >>up to the Linux kernel which does a very good job of it. That is, even >>though sendmail is a big program, it won't consume much of your >>machine's resources when its only activity is periodically scanning >>your empty queue. Unused parts of the program will either never be >>loaded or will be paged back out if something else needs the memory. >>And when you do have a job for it, using an old and well-tuned program >>is likely to be more efficient than some recent hack re-write. >> >>You can't take quite the same approach with GUI programs because they >>tend to be much bigger when they drag in the dozens of different >>toolkits and shared libraries that each uses. >> >>--- >> Les Mikesell >> les at futuresource.com >> >> >> >> >>------------------------------ >> >>Message: 3 >>Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 11:17:34 -0400 >>From: "Shane Stafford" >>Subject: [K12OSN] Video issue 3dlabs Permedia card >>To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." >> >>Cc: >>Message-ID: >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >>no luck in getting this one to work and I have about 7 of these machines. >>Card appears to be a 8mb 3DLabs Accel Permedia 2V >> >>any ideas about what to put in lts.conf >> >>thanks in advance >>Shane >> >>Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT >>Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town >>Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer >>S & B Consulting >> >> >> >>------------------------------ >> >>Message: 4 >>Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 10:33:42 -0500 >>From: Les Mikesell >>Subject: Re: [K12OSN] sshvnc tools >>To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." >> >>Message-ID: <1097854422.10629.42.camel at moola.futuresource.com> >>Content-Type: text/plain >> >>On Fri, 2004-10-15 at 08:08, Petre Scheie wrote: >> >> >>>I don't know if it would help you or not, but you might try running >>> >>>ssh -L 3700:ltspserver:5900 ltspserver >>> >>>from the remote site to your ltsp server (ltspserver), and then on the >>>remote >>>client run vncviewer and point it at localhost:3700. This will run your >>>vnc >>>traffic through the SSH tunnel created in the first step. Using sshvnc >>>does all >>>this for you automatically, as others have pointed out. But trying this >>>might >>>tell you something about where your problem is depending on whether it >>>works or not. >>> >>> >>Vncviewer will do the grunge work of setting up the ssh tunnel >>for you if you use the -via option: >>vncviewer -via ltspserver localhost >>(the ssh server specified doesn't have to be the same as the >>vnc target as long as it can reach it). Be sure you are using >>the correct name for the outside interface of the ssh server >>and the name or IP used on the inside for the vncserver if they >>are different. >> >>--- >> Les Mikesell >> les at futuresource.com >> >> >> >> >>------------------------------ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> >>End of K12OSN Digest, Vol 8, Issue 56 >>************************************* >> >> >> > > > > -- 7 Lansdowne Penn Drive Frenchay Bristol BS16 1NL E-mail: sj at redpumas.com Tel: 0117 9562968 Mob: 07986 216791 From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Oct 15 23:27:44 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 19:27:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP Setup question. In-Reply-To: <200410151448.31488.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> References: <200410151448.31488.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> Message-ID: <41705CF0.1050506@cmosnetworks.com> Martin Woolley wrote: >On Thu, 14 Oct 2004, Brad Bendily wrote: > > >>I want my server to be setup with only 1 NIC and I'd like the >>workstations to remain on the public LAN. >>So I guess this means I would have to have my already existing DHCP >>server hand out the location of the LTSP tftp server? >> >> > >Why not run two DHCP servers, your existing one and the LTSP server? We have >8 DHCP servers, the 6 LTSP servers and 1 NT which all dole out the same IP >range (for the students), and a W2K which doles out a different range (for >the admin staff). The students run a mix of ltsp and win 98 and the admin >staff XP. Not only does this never cause problems (perhaps we are lucky) but >I have done a huge amount of investigation on our network, and the thin >clients always pick up an ip address from a random choice of one of the Linux >boxes and the W98 clients (to the NT server) generally get theirs from said >NT box. If they get one from one of the Linux boxes then they still can >connect to the NT box. The XP boxes always get theirs from the W2K box. >Like the ad says "isn't in nice when things just work" > > You're very lucky indeed, unless you're running your K12LTSP servers in the "standard" 2-NIC architecture. Having eight DHCP servers serving the same broadcast domain can be very, very dangerous. Yes, I know some on this list have done this and haven't run into problems, or they run them on nonstandard UDP ports, but unless you know what you're doing, and you have a specific, i. e. very weird, situation you need to solve in this way, I would strongly recommend against this practice. I've been burned way too many times with multiple DHCP servers serving the same broadcast domain; it's taken out several LANs in my schools. So, if you're in a single-NIC K12LTSP setup, don't do it. If you're in a dual-NIC K12LTSP setup, though, you should be fine. --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Oct 15 23:36:11 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 19:36:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP Setup question. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41705EEB.7030405@cmosnetworks.com> I interpret his question to mean "the main school LAN, so I can hook up my workstations directly to the network drops going to the wiring closet(s)." I have to do this in my environment; we use 10.x.x.x addresses behind our enterprise firewall. I'm not sure he means "globally routable IP addresses" specifically, though it's possible that his district or school may indeed use globally routable addresses on their LAN behind their firewall. We did this for a long time up until about two years ago with our Class B, and some very old, very badly written programs still, alas, require them to function correctly. What gets me about that is that the bosses are willing to give millions of dollars--per year--to Microsoft, but they won't spend $50,000 to have these ancient, badly written programs rewritten! Go figure. --TP Doug Simpson wrote: >Why would you want your workstations on a public IP number? > > > >Doug Simpson >Technology Specialist >DeQueen Public Schools >DeQueen, AR 71832 >simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >Tux for President! > >On Thu, 14 Oct 2004, Brad Bendily wrote: > > > >>Hi, >>I'm sure this question has been asked and answered before, but I'm not >>really sure how to look up the question, so i thought I would start here >>and let you guys point me to some good articles or threads on the >>subject. >> >>I downloaded K-12LTSP and I have it installed and everything >>seems to be running fine. However, I would like to have the >>configuration be a little different than the default. >> >>I want my server to be setup with only 1 NIC and I'd like the workstations >>to remain on the public LAN. >>So I guess this means I would have to have my already existing DHCP >>server hand out the location of the LTSP tftp server? >> >>I'm not sure what else I would have to change. Is there any existing docs >>out there for this type of setup? >> >>Thanks >>Brad B >> >> From bear2bar at netscape.net Sat Oct 16 00:04:16 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 20:04:16 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Intrigue !!!! Message-ID: <41706580.3030303@netscape.net> Hi, I know that this is off topic but I had to share this "gem"...... The school board into which we have had fantastic success with K12ltsp in the schools has "announced" that they will replace at their cost the teacher computers, most of which are circa P-I !!!, with new Windows thin-clients. Now the "kicker", after arguing with us that their strategic direction was to centralize all the servers, hence why the board was NOT supporting K12LTSP deployment, the board is offering to set-up & install locally SUN Servers to run the Windows thin-clients. First comment - how in hell do you run a Windows thin-client from a SUN server and second why would anyone in their right mind agree to this. enjoy norbert From samps at redjocks.com Sat Oct 16 01:16:27 2004 From: samps at redjocks.com (Samps) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 10:46:27 +0930 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP Setup question. In-Reply-To: <41705CF0.1050506@cmosnetworks.com> References: <200410151448.31488.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> <41705CF0.1050506@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <4170766B.1080303@redjocks.com> Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > > You're very lucky indeed, unless you're running your K12LTSP servers in > the "standard" 2-NIC architecture. Having eight DHCP servers serving > the same broadcast domain can be very, very dangerous. Yes, I know some snip > > --TP > _____________________ When running the domain in a private IP block (10.255 and 192.168) you can run as many DHCP servers as you can make subnets. an example: A network, 10.255.0.1/255.255.248.0, has 2046 usable addresses, from 10.255.0.1 to 10.255.7.254 (255 is broadcast and can't be allocated for other use. Each of four DHCP servers are set up to use 10.255.0.1/21 as RANGE and DHCP server 1 is using a SCOPE of 10.255.0.1 to 10.255.1.255 DHCP server 2 is using a SCOPE of 10.255.2.0 to 10.255.3.255 DHCP server 3 is using a SCOPE of 10.255.4.1 to 10.255.5.255 DHCP server 4 is using a SCOPE of 10.255.6.0 to 10.255.7.255 No overlaps in the scopes ensures that there won't be address-clashes on the network. If you subnet using a further 1 bit, then you can have twice as many DHCP servers, each serving half as many clients. cheers Samps From luis.montes at cox.net Sat Oct 16 01:44:13 2004 From: luis.montes at cox.net (Luis Montes) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 18:44:13 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] kturtle In-Reply-To: <416F8391.6090003@shuttleworthfoundation.org> References: <416F8391.6090003@shuttleworthfoundation.org> Message-ID: <41707CED.6010908@cox.net> Is that anything like jturtle ? Jturtle is at http://members.cox.net/luis.montes -Luis Jonathan Carter wrote: > Hi Guys > > Can anyone give me advice on getting kturtle to work on K12LTSP? And > possibly where I can get it too. > > thanks > Jonathan > From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat Oct 16 01:17:27 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 21:17:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] books (off topic maybe) In-Reply-To: References: <416FB9C2.7010503@msln.net> <200410151439.01840.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> Message-ID: <417076A7.9010509@cmosnetworks.com> Access Systems wrote: >On Fri, 15 Oct 2004, Martin Woolley wrote: > > > >>On Friday 15 Oct 2004 12:51 pm, Mark Gumprecht wrote: >> >> >>>I, for one, am new to linux and basically have enough knowledge to be >>>dangerous. I've jumped in by using only linux on my work machine, no >>>matter how long it takes to figure it out. Are there any really good >>>books to help out newbies? I have checked out many, but they seem to be >>> >>> >>A general linux book is a jolly fine investment, the fatter the better. >>I have The Complete Reference: Linux Fourth Edition by Richard Peterson >>published by Osborne ISBN 0-07-212940-9, which covers RH7 (amongst others) >>and includes in it a RH7 CD (only one though). You could have trouble >> >> > >this book is so far over the head of the average newbie as to be more >confusing than it is worth. I think I am in the same position and have >searched high and low, and spent hundreds of dollars on worthless books, >they are either too basic (linux for dummies) or like the "Complete >Reference so over the head of the mid line user. > >the bookss that have remained on the front of my shelf over the computer >are > >"linux Power Tools" Roderick Smith publish by Sybex > > . still advanced but the step by step instructions are followable even >if you don't understand what your doing. > >an oldie but still a goodie > >"Red Hat Linux, fast and easy" C & C Witherspoon pub by Prima tech > >now a good book but it only covers using the K desktop is > >"Linux in the Workplace" Linux Journal Press, pub by No Starch > >now for open office org > >"OpenOffice.org Resource kit" is the kind of book I would like to see for >all of linux, it is complete and fairly comprehensive without being over >your head, but it only covers Open Office > >good luck I am still looking for that book for the rest of us too. > >Bob > > I've got one. It's "UNIX System V Release 4: An Introduction", published by Osborne Press. This is the main book that I used to learn GNU/Linux. It takes you all the way through and shows you why things are done certain ways and then how to do them. Many books just throw info at you and expect you to know why you might want or need to know that. This book actually tells you, "This is why you might want to know this." Highly recommended. For example, the book took me through learning how to use the ancient editor "ed". Why in God's own name would I want to learn ed in 1999? The book told me quite plainly that if I learn ed, I'll know the "little language" (the book refers to troff/ed/other command sets as "little languages") for a lot of other things, like sed, vi, and others. What I learned later was that it would also be my introduction to regular expressions...thank goodness I learned that! --TP From samps at redjocks.com Sat Oct 16 01:20:38 2004 From: samps at redjocks.com (Samps) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 10:50:38 +0930 Subject: [K12OSN] Intrigue !!!! In-Reply-To: <41706580.3030303@netscape.net> References: <41706580.3030303@netscape.net> Message-ID: <41707766.9080501@redjocks.com> norbert wrote: > Hi, > > I know that this is off topic but I had to share this "gem"...... > > The school board into which we have had fantastic success with K12ltsp > in the schools has "announced" that they will replace at their cost the > teacher computers, most of which are circa P-I !!!, with new Windows > thin-clients. > > Now the "kicker", after arguing with us that their strategic direction > was to centralize all the servers, hence why the board was NOT > supporting K12LTSP deployment, the board is offering to set-up & install > locally SUN Servers to run the Windows thin-clients. > > First comment - how in hell do you run a Windows thin-client from a SUN > server and second why would anyone in their right mind agree to this. > > enjoy > norbert > > _______________________________________________ It does sound a bit contradictive. Being for K12LTSP and wanting to go Windows, running Windows off or against Sun servers.... Could it be a misunderstanding from someone to whom everything with a GUI and icons is 'Windows'? A kid from school asked me yesterday: "So when are you going to put XP on the computers...?", he was looking over my shoulder as I was setting up a template IceWM LTSP client... cheers Samps From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat Oct 16 01:22:20 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 21:22:20 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Intrigue !!!! In-Reply-To: <41706580.3030303@netscape.net> References: <41706580.3030303@netscape.net> Message-ID: <417077CC.5080003@cmosnetworks.com> norbert wrote: > Hi, > > I know that this is off topic but I had to share this "gem"...... > > The school board into which we have had fantastic success with K12ltsp > in the schools has "announced" that they will replace at their cost > the teacher computers, most of which are circa P-I !!!, with new > Windows thin-clients. > > Now the "kicker", after arguing with us that their strategic direction > was to centralize all the servers, hence why the board was NOT > supporting K12LTSP deployment, the board is offering to set-up & > install locally SUN Servers to run the Windows thin-clients. > > First comment - how in hell do you run a Windows thin-client from a > SUN server and second why would anyone in their right mind agree to this. Answer to first: Perhaps this Windows thin client comes with an X11 server of some sort...or the Sun server somehow replicates Windows Terminal Server functionality. Answer to second: It's not their *personal* wallet, that's why. My district is equally idiotic. The only way to get such nutcases to change their minds is by public embarrassment and *lots* of negative media coverage w.r.t. their proposed direction. One angle could be that they're taking money otherwise spendable for the educational process itself and blowing it on expensive, unneeded "toys". That kind of thing always makes a good news story. It's a shame I've had to learn to think this way.... --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From tlegge at rogers.com Sat Oct 16 01:42:19 2004 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 22:42:19 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] e1000 client nic problem In-Reply-To: <41704C8C.1070403@czexan.net> References: <41704C8C.1070403@czexan.net> Message-ID: <1097890938.13474.8.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> On Fri, 2004-10-15 at 19:17, dale wrote: > Hello, > I am setting up a k12ltsp 4.1.1 server and a few clients at home with > an 8 port Gb switch. I have an nforce based client with builtin 100Mb > nic. I added an intel 82546 1Gb nic to net boot the client. When it Why not just use the nvidia nic? Unless you just want to play with gigabit there is no real need (especially in a small setup). > tries to boot, it errors out using forcedeth module (says something > about changing option 129 in /etc/dhcpd.conf). I suspect the boot > process sees the nforce nic and assumes I want to boot from it rather Yes, on board nics are typically seen first. > than the intel nic. I modified /etc/dhcpd.conf on the server, changing > the mac address for ws001 and option 129 to e1000. Now when it tries to > boot, it says something about too big (It flashes by fast) and then goes > to a cannot boot screen. tail -f /var/log/messages only shows tftp > client does not accept options In the dhcpd.conf file you probably need to specify pxelinux.0 as the filename because it sounds like you are using the e1000's pxe implementation. Tim From bear2bar at netscape.net Sat Oct 16 02:33:47 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 22:33:47 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Intrigue !!!! In-Reply-To: <417077CC.5080003@cmosnetworks.com> References: <41706580.3030303@netscape.net> <417077CC.5080003@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <4170888B.5060805@netscape.net> HI, I'm just waiting for the board to actually install it in one school. The school boards are subsidised by the government and they are all in a deficit situation. This one board in only 4 million in debt, so when they launch this SUN - Windows thin-client contraption I'll be more than happy to let the media in on the costing of SUN servers & M$ licenses versus K12LTSP. The teachers love the K12 system, as does the principals AND the kids ! our "lowly P-I 75 Mhz with 64Mb perform as fast as stand-alone P-IV XP workstations. hmmm maybe there was more to the lawsuit settlement between SUn & M$ than was published ...... norbert microman at cmosnetworks.com wrote: > norbert wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I know that this is off topic but I had to share this "gem"...... >> >> The school board into which we have had fantastic success with >> K12ltsp in the schools has "announced" that they will replace at >> their cost the teacher computers, most of which are circa P-I !!!, >> with new Windows thin-clients. >> >> Now the "kicker", after arguing with us that their strategic >> direction was to centralize all the servers, hence why the board was >> NOT supporting K12LTSP deployment, the board is offering to set-up & >> install locally SUN Servers to run the Windows thin-clients. >> >> First comment - how in hell do you run a Windows thin-client from a >> SUN server and second why would anyone in their right mind agree to >> this. > > > > Answer to first: > > Perhaps this Windows thin client comes with an X11 server of some > sort...or the Sun server somehow replicates Windows Terminal Server > functionality. > > Answer to second: > > It's not their *personal* wallet, that's why. My district is equally > idiotic. The only way to get such nutcases to change their minds is > by public embarrassment and *lots* of negative media coverage w.r.t. > their proposed direction. One angle could be that they're taking > money otherwise spendable for the educational process itself and > blowing it on expensive, unneeded "toys". That kind of thing always > makes a good news story. It's a shame I've had to learn to think this > way.... > > --TP > _____________________ > Do you GNU!? > Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check > it out! > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dalen at czexan.net Sat Oct 16 02:46:26 2004 From: dalen at czexan.net (dale) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 21:46:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] e1000 client nic problem In-Reply-To: <1097890938.13474.8.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> References: <41704C8C.1070403@czexan.net> <1097890938.13474.8.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> Message-ID: <41708B82.5030602@czexan.net> Timothy Legge wrote: > On Fri, 2004-10-15 at 19:17, dale wrote: > >>Hello, >> I am setting up a k12ltsp 4.1.1 server and a few clients at home with >>an 8 port Gb switch. I have an nforce based client with builtin 100Mb >>nic. I added an intel 82546 1Gb nic to net boot the client. When it > > > Why not just use the nvidia nic? Unless you just want to play with > gigabit there is no real need (especially in a small setup). On this system, I just want to play with gigabit:) I would like to see if it makes a difference with tuxracer. > > >>tries to boot, it errors out using forcedeth module (says something >>about changing option 129 in /etc/dhcpd.conf). I suspect the boot >>process sees the nforce nic and assumes I want to boot from it rather > > > Yes, on board nics are typically seen first. > > >>than the intel nic. I modified /etc/dhcpd.conf on the server, changing >>the mac address for ws001 and option 129 to e1000. Now when it tries to >>boot, it says something about too big (It flashes by fast) and then goes >>to a cannot boot screen. tail -f /var/log/messages only shows tftp >>client does not accept options > > > In the dhcpd.conf file you probably need to specify pxelinux.0 as the > filename because it sounds like you are using the e1000's pxe > implementation. > > Tim Thanks Tim! changing the filename to pxelinux.0 for ws001 did help, but now I am back to the forcedeth module problem. I am going to read the docs on k12ltsp.org and look at the wiki. Thanks again, Dale From dahopkins at comcast.net Sat Oct 16 02:47:19 2004 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 02:47:19 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] wine app using all memory?? Message-ID: <101620040247.6162.41708BB7000C5FEA0000181222058860149C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> All, I do not know if anyone has seen this but ... today the load average on my dual xeon server hit 30! Tracing it back, it appears to have been caused by a windows app running under wine. This particular app (eClass Grades) requests all available memory on the system (all 4Gb on the system). Stopping the app returned the server to normal. So does anyone know how to make wine only use a fixed amount of memory? Even if I could just limit the per instance amount things would be okay. Thanks, Dave Hopkins Newark Charter School From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Sat Oct 16 07:12:52 2004 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 00:12:52 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] kturtle In-Reply-To: <416F8391.6090003@shuttleworthfoundation.org> References: <416F8391.6090003@shuttleworthfoundation.org> Message-ID: Jonathan: I helped load XLOGO for a school in Hawaii. I think it's a similar program. http://xlogo.free.fr/index-en.html. Steve On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 10:00:17 +0200, Jonathan Carter wrote: > Hi Guys > > Can anyone give me advice on getting kturtle to work on K12LTSP? And > possibly where I can get it too. > > thanks > Jonathan > > -- > Jonathan Carter > The Shuttleworth Foundation - Supporting social innovation > Ph (021) 970 1230 | Fax: (021) 970 1231 > http://www.shuttleworthfoundation.org > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Steve Hargadon 916-652-8600 ext. 711 From dean at mumby.co.za Sat Oct 16 09:59:54 2004 From: dean at mumby.co.za (dean at mumby.co.za) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 11:59:54 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] doing the pivot_root server not responding In-Reply-To: <416EDEE9.5000300@criticalcontrol.com> References: <416ECEAD.2090906@criticalcontrol.com> <20040914143828.jsmith@breakthroughministries.com.12> <416EDEE9.5000300@criticalcontrol.com> Message-ID: <1097920794.4170f11a8d2d2@www.mumby.co.za> Quoting Pete : > John A. Smith wrote: > > >>Did the newbie read the basic documentation??? > >> > >> > >Yes . . . and I googled for quite a while too. > > > > > > > The Doc from James McQuillan? > Page 11 > 2.3 Configuring the services needed by LTSP > http://www.ltsp.org/documentation/ltsp-4.1/ltsp-4.1-0-en.pdf > ltspcfg is mentioned there no...? > > Also from that doc (page 30) > Is tftp running? > netstat -anp | grep ":69" > Should return 1 line : udp .... > Check /etc/inetd.conf > tftp dgram udp wait ... > This line is NOT commented out? > in > /etc/xinetd.d/tftp > make sure the service tftp section is enabled > (disable=no) not yes > > From the logs you send it is either this or NFS > Is the /opt/ltsp/i386 directory listed in /etc/exports? > If not chances are you didn't run ltspcfg properly > See pages 31 and up in the above mentioned doc. > > If TFTP is running we will troubleshoot NFS, let me know > > Peter > > >>Did you run the ltspcfg tool? > >> > >> > >No . . . funny no mention of that in the basic documentation . . .So I just > ran it and it didn't seem to make a difference. I'll restart to make sure all > services restart properly with any new config. > > > >As for dhcpd.conf ours are identical, except subnets > > > >-john smith > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > I must say that I have become slightly dissolutioned with k12ltsp 4.1 I had a running server using 3.1.2 I decied to upgrade and did a fresh install. I have had this problem for over a week. I have googled through hundreds of pages and have confirmed all servercies are running as per docs. If I do a clean install and setup everything with defaults I get this error. 3.1.2 worked perfectly out the box and I dont mind that as much as the fact that I have seen this problem asked so many times and yet to see and answer. I wish you better luck and if you do resolve it please post back to the list as I am sure it will help someone else.\ Regards\ Dean From klaus at astro.uio.no Sat Oct 16 11:08:46 2004 From: klaus at astro.uio.no (Klaus Ade Johnstad) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 13:08:46 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] doing the pivot_root server not responding In-Reply-To: <1097920794.4170f11a8d2d2@www.mumby.co.za> References: <416ECEAD.2090906@criticalcontrol.com> <416EDEE9.5000300@criticalcontrol.com> <1097920794.4170f11a8d2d2@www.mumby.co.za> Message-ID: <200410161308.46109.klaus@astro.uio.no> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 l?rdag 16. oktober 2004, 11:59, skrev dean at mumby.co.za: > Quoting Pete : > > John A. Smith wrote: > > >>Did the newbie read the basic documentation??? > > > > > >Yes . . . and I googled for quite a while too. > > > > The Doc from James McQuillan? > > Page 11 > > 2.3 Configuring the services needed by LTSP > > http://www.ltsp.org/documentation/ltsp-4.1/ltsp-4.1-0-en.pdf > > ltspcfg is mentioned there no...? > > > > Also from that doc (page 30) > > Is tftp running? > > netstat -anp | grep ":69" > > Should return 1 line : udp .... > > Check /etc/inetd.conf > > tftp dgram udp wait ... > > This line is NOT commented out? > > in > > /etc/xinetd.d/tftp > > make sure the service tftp section is enabled > > (disable=no) not yes > > > > From the logs you send it is either this or NFS > > Is the /opt/ltsp/i386 directory listed in /etc/exports? > > If not chances are you didn't run ltspcfg properly > > See pages 31 and up in the above mentioned doc. > > > > If TFTP is running we will troubleshoot NFS, let me know > > > > Peter > > > > >>Did you run the ltspcfg tool? > > > > > >No . . . funny no mention of that in the basic documentation . . > > > .So I just > > > > ran it and it didn't seem to make a difference. I'll restart to > > make sure all services restart properly with any new config. > > > > >As for dhcpd.conf ours are identical, except subnets > > > > > >-john smith > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > I must say that I have become slightly dissolutioned with k12ltsp 4.1 > I had a running server using 3.1.2 I decied to upgrade and did a > fresh install. I have had this problem for over a week. I have > googled through hundreds of pages and have confirmed all servercies > are running as per docs. If I do a clean install and setup everything > with defaults I get this error. 3.1.2 worked perfectly out the box > and I dont mind that as much as the fact that I have seen this > problem asked so many times and yet to see and answer. I wish you > better luck and if you do resolve it please post back to the list as > I am sure it will help someone else.\ > > Regards\ > Dean > Your frustration is very understandable. I had the same problem some years ago, turned out that the network cards that I was using (intel pro100) gave this error, other network cards worked just fine. Have you tried different network cards? - -- Klaus -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBcQE+hJ+fXyb6R30RAvPHAJ9TEjk9VKmlmaXoQUwReTtsZAn7YwCfQ4nM PMIk6ET6/wjMDY0e6bxCvo4= =JJjN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From tlegge at rogers.com Sat Oct 16 11:18:13 2004 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 08:18:13 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] e1000 client nic problem In-Reply-To: <41708B82.5030602@czexan.net> References: <41704C8C.1070403@czexan.net> <1097890938.13474.8.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> <41708B82.5030602@czexan.net> Message-ID: <1097925493.16065.9.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> On Fri, 2004-10-15 at 23:46, dale wrote: > Thanks Tim! changing the filename to pxelinux.0 for ws001 did help, but > now I am back to the forcedeth module problem. I am going to read the > docs on k12ltsp.org and look at the wiki. Goto www.romomatic.net and downnload the zdsk file for the e1000 and then cat ebe1000.zdsk > /dev/fd0. Test with that. If it works, which it should then download the zpxe version and change the file name from pxelinux.0 to the zpxe file (put it in your tftpboot directory). Tim From dean at mumby.co.za Sat Oct 16 12:48:55 2004 From: dean at mumby.co.za (dean at mumby.co.za) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 14:48:55 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] doing the pivot_root server not responding In-Reply-To: <200410161308.46109.klaus@astro.uio.no> References: <416ECEAD.2090906@criticalcontrol.com> <416EDEE9.5000300@criticalcontrol.com> <1097920794.4170f11a8d2d2@www.mumby.co.za> <200410161308.46109.klaus@astro.uio.no> Message-ID: <1097930935.417118b75f75b@www.mumby.co.za> Quoting Klaus Ade Johnstad : > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > l?rdag 16. oktober 2004, 11:59, skrev dean at mumby.co.za: > > Quoting Pete : > > > John A. Smith wrote: > > > >>Did the newbie read the basic documentation??? > > > > > > > >Yes . . . and I googled for quite a while too. > > > > > > The Doc from James McQuillan? > > > Page 11 > > > 2.3 Configuring the services needed by LTSP > > > http://www.ltsp.org/documentation/ltsp-4.1/ltsp-4.1-0-en.pdf > > > ltspcfg is mentioned there no...? > > > > > > Also from that doc (page 30) > > > Is tftp running? > > > netstat -anp | grep ":69" > > > Should return 1 line : udp .... > > > Check /etc/inetd.conf > > > tftp dgram udp wait ... > > > This line is NOT commented out? > > > in > > > /etc/xinetd.d/tftp > > > make sure the service tftp section is enabled > > > (disable=no) not yes > > > > > > From the logs you send it is either this or NFS > > > Is the /opt/ltsp/i386 directory listed in /etc/exports? > > > If not chances are you didn't run ltspcfg properly > > > See pages 31 and up in the above mentioned doc. > > > > > > If TFTP is running we will troubleshoot NFS, let me know > > > > > > Peter > > > > > > >>Did you run the ltspcfg tool? > > > > > > > >No . . . funny no mention of that in the basic documentation . . > > > > .So I just > > > > > > ran it and it didn't seem to make a difference. I'll restart to > > > make sure all services restart properly with any new config. > > > > > > >As for dhcpd.conf ours are identical, except subnets > > > > > > > >-john smith > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > I must say that I have become slightly dissolutioned with k12ltsp 4.1 > > I had a running server using 3.1.2 I decied to upgrade and did a > > fresh install. I have had this problem for over a week. I have > > googled through hundreds of pages and have confirmed all servercies > > are running as per docs. If I do a clean install and setup everything > > with defaults I get this error. 3.1.2 worked perfectly out the box > > and I dont mind that as much as the fact that I have seen this > > problem asked so many times and yet to see and answer. I wish you > > better luck and if you do resolve it please post back to the list as > > I am sure it will help someone else.\ > > > > Regards\ > > Dean > > > > Your frustration is very understandable. I had the same problem some > years ago, turned out that the network cards that I was using (intel > pro100) gave this error, other network cards worked just fine. > > Have you tried different network cards? > - -- > Klaus > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFBcQE+hJ+fXyb6R30RAvPHAJ9TEjk9VKmlmaXoQUwReTtsZAn7YwCfQ4nM > PMIk6ET6/wjMDY0e6bxCvo4= > =JJjN > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > Cards on the client or the server , the server has an intel 100 and 1000 I have disbaled the 100 and I am using the 1000 , the client has rtl8139 which was working when 3.1.2 was loaded as well as the server , same configration. I will try using the 100 as eth0 and see if it helps. Thanks for the help. Dean From dean at mumby.co.za Sat Oct 16 12:48:55 2004 From: dean at mumby.co.za (dean at mumby.co.za) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 14:48:55 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] doing the pivot_root server not responding In-Reply-To: <200410161308.46109.klaus@astro.uio.no> References: <416ECEAD.2090906@criticalcontrol.com> <416EDEE9.5000300@criticalcontrol.com> <1097920794.4170f11a8d2d2@www.mumby.co.za> <200410161308.46109.klaus@astro.uio.no> Message-ID: <1097930935.417118b75f75b@www.mumby.co.za> Quoting Klaus Ade Johnstad : > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > l?rdag 16. oktober 2004, 11:59, skrev dean at mumby.co.za: > > Quoting Pete : > > > John A. Smith wrote: > > > >>Did the newbie read the basic documentation??? > > > > > > > >Yes . . . and I googled for quite a while too. > > > > > > The Doc from James McQuillan? > > > Page 11 > > > 2.3 Configuring the services needed by LTSP > > > http://www.ltsp.org/documentation/ltsp-4.1/ltsp-4.1-0-en.pdf > > > ltspcfg is mentioned there no...? > > > > > > Also from that doc (page 30) > > > Is tftp running? > > > netstat -anp | grep ":69" > > > Should return 1 line : udp .... > > > Check /etc/inetd.conf > > > tftp dgram udp wait ... > > > This line is NOT commented out? > > > in > > > /etc/xinetd.d/tftp > > > make sure the service tftp section is enabled > > > (disable=no) not yes > > > > > > From the logs you send it is either this or NFS > > > Is the /opt/ltsp/i386 directory listed in /etc/exports? > > > If not chances are you didn't run ltspcfg properly > > > See pages 31 and up in the above mentioned doc. > > > > > > If TFTP is running we will troubleshoot NFS, let me know > > > > > > Peter > > > > > > >>Did you run the ltspcfg tool? > > > > > > > >No . . . funny no mention of that in the basic documentation . . > > > > .So I just > > > > > > ran it and it didn't seem to make a difference. I'll restart to > > > make sure all services restart properly with any new config. > > > > > > >As for dhcpd.conf ours are identical, except subnets > > > > > > > >-john smith > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > I must say that I have become slightly dissolutioned with k12ltsp 4.1 > > I had a running server using 3.1.2 I decied to upgrade and did a > > fresh install. I have had this problem for over a week. I have > > googled through hundreds of pages and have confirmed all servercies > > are running as per docs. If I do a clean install and setup everything > > with defaults I get this error. 3.1.2 worked perfectly out the box > > and I dont mind that as much as the fact that I have seen this > > problem asked so many times and yet to see and answer. I wish you > > better luck and if you do resolve it please post back to the list as > > I am sure it will help someone else.\ > > > > Regards\ > > Dean > > > > Your frustration is very understandable. I had the same problem some > years ago, turned out that the network cards that I was using (intel > pro100) gave this error, other network cards worked just fine. > > Have you tried different network cards? > - -- > Klaus > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFBcQE+hJ+fXyb6R30RAvPHAJ9TEjk9VKmlmaXoQUwReTtsZAn7YwCfQ4nM > PMIk6ET6/wjMDY0e6bxCvo4= > =JJjN > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > Cards on the client or the server , the server has an intel 100 and 1000 I have disbaled the 100 and I am using the 1000 , the client has rtl8139 which was working when 3.1.2 was loaded as well as the server , same configration. I will try using the 100 as eth0 and see if it helps. Thanks for the help. Dean From tlegge at rogers.com Sat Oct 16 13:06:19 2004 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 10:06:19 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] doing the pivot_root server not responding In-Reply-To: <1097930935.417118b75f75b@www.mumby.co.za> References: <416ECEAD.2090906@criticalcontrol.com> <416EDEE9.5000300@criticalcontrol.com> <1097920794.4170f11a8d2d2@www.mumby.co.za> <200410161308.46109.klaus@astro.uio.no> <1097930935.417118b75f75b@www.mumby.co.za> Message-ID: <1097931979.16065.16.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> On Sat, 2004-10-16 at 09:48, dean at mumby.co.za wrote: > Cards on the client or the server , the server has an intel 100 and 1000 I have > disbaled the 100 and I am using the 1000 , the client has rtl8139 which was > working when 3.1.2 was loaded as well as the server , same configration. I will > try using the 100 as eth0 and see if it helps. > > Thanks for the help. It is an issue with the card on the client. Or more specifically how it interacts with the kernel that is downloaded. I have seen this on a number of occasions and the only way I have found around it is to use a different kernel. I don't know if more that one kernel is available for ltsp 4.x but it is worth a try. A while back, I used the exact same kernel source and config that Jim McQuillan used for an ltsp kernel. The version I compiled worked for me but his did not. I don't know why. Moving the client's card to a different slot might work but I have never tried it. Tim Legge From raven_512 at hotmail.com Sat Oct 16 13:08:22 2004 From: raven_512 at hotmail.com (Noel Corbett) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 02:08:22 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] New Zealand Student Management systems Message-ID: I apologise for this is not exactly related to this list but I notice that there is a few other New Zealanders on here. Anyway I wonder if any of you have read the article regarding MUSAC and other student management systems in the InfoTech section of the Dominion last week. If you haven't and would like a copy email me off list. The article basicly states that the government has only accrediated one piece of software for use in schools and is spending money to switch schools to this new software. There is concern that the ministry is trying to force this single piece of software upon all schools. What I was wanting to know from the people on this list is: is there any interest at all in creating or modifying an open source student management system for New Zealand schools... So if you have any comments at all about this can you email me at raven_512 at hotmail.com Cheers Noel _________________________________________________________________ There?s never been a better time to get Xtra JetStream @ http://xtra.co.nz/jetstream From dean at mumby.co.za Sat Oct 16 14:38:36 2004 From: dean at mumby.co.za (dean at mumby.co.za) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 16:38:36 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] doing the pivot_root server not responding In-Reply-To: <1097931979.16065.16.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> References: <416ECEAD.2090906@criticalcontrol.com> <416EDEE9.5000300@criticalcontrol.com> <1097920794.4170f11a8d2d2@www.mumby.co.za> <200410161308.46109.klaus@astro.uio.no> <1097930935.417118b75f75b@www.mumby.co.za> <1097931979.16065.16.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> Message-ID: <1097937515.4171326c01281@www.mumby.co.za> Quoting Timothy Legge : > On Sat, 2004-10-16 at 09:48, dean at mumby.co.za wrote: > > > Cards on the client or the server , the server has an intel 100 and 1000 I > have > > disbaled the 100 and I am using the 1000 , the client has rtl8139 which > was > > working when 3.1.2 was loaded as well as the server , same configration. I > will > > try using the 100 as eth0 and see if it helps. > > > > Thanks for the help. > > It is an issue with the card on the client. Or more specifically how it > interacts with the kernel that is downloaded. I have seen this on a > number of occasions and the only way I have found around it is to use a > different kernel. I don't know if more that one kernel is available for > ltsp 4.x but it is worth a try. A while back, I used the exact same > kernel source and config that Jim McQuillan used for an ltsp kernel. > The version I compiled worked for me but his did not. I don't know why. > > Moving the client's card to a different slot might work but I have never > tried it. > > Tim Legge > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > The client has onbaord rtl8139 and pxe boots , it sees the card loads the module and then stops. Do you think it is because the card is having a problem with the ltsp kernel. Should I try downlaoding a new boot rom from rom-o-matic ? would this sort it out or is the the actual kernel being loaded. If so how do I goabout changin it ? Regards Dean From tlegge at rogers.com Sat Oct 16 14:58:26 2004 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 11:58:26 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] doing the pivot_root server not responding In-Reply-To: <1097937515.4171326c01281@www.mumby.co.za> References: <416ECEAD.2090906@criticalcontrol.com> <416EDEE9.5000300@criticalcontrol.com> <1097920794.4170f11a8d2d2@www.mumby.co.za> <200410161308.46109.klaus@astro.uio.no> <1097930935.417118b75f75b@www.mumby.co.za> <1097931979.16065.16.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> <1097937515.4171326c01281@www.mumby.co.za> Message-ID: <1097938706.16065.25.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> On Sat, 2004-10-16 at 11:38, dean at mumby.co.za wrote: > The client has onbaord rtl8139 and pxe boots , it sees the card loads the module > and then stops. Do you think it is because the card is having a problem with the > ltsp kernel. Should I try downlaoding a new boot rom from rom-o-matic ? would > this sort it out or is the the actual kernel being loaded. If so how do I > goabout changin it ? You could try a new boot rom it *might* make a difference (use a different version). Try 5.3 If that doesnt work, use a different kernel. Get on the irc at: o From tlegge at rogers.com Sat Oct 16 15:03:19 2004 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 12:03:19 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] doing the pivot_root server not responding In-Reply-To: <1097937515.4171326c01281@www.mumby.co.za> References: <416ECEAD.2090906@criticalcontrol.com> <416EDEE9.5000300@criticalcontrol.com> <1097920794.4170f11a8d2d2@www.mumby.co.za> <200410161308.46109.klaus@astro.uio.no> <1097930935.417118b75f75b@www.mumby.co.za> <1097931979.16065.16.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> <1097937515.4171326c01281@www.mumby.co.za> Message-ID: <1097938999.16065.32.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> On Sat, 2004-10-16 at 11:38, dean at mumby.co.za wrote: > The client has onbaord rtl8139 and pxe boots , it sees the card loads the module > and then stops. Do you think it is because the card is having a problem with the > ltsp kernel. Should I try downlaoding a new boot rom from rom-o-matic ? would > this sort it out or is the the actual kernel being loaded. If so how do I > goabout changin it ? You could try a new boot rom it *might* make a difference (use a different version). Try 5.3 I just tried updating my lstp 4. It looks like only one kernel has been released. If you want a different kernel you have some work on your hands. Get on the irc at: Server: irc.freenode.net Channel: #ltsp and see if someone can help out. You can also try ltsp 3 instead. Tim From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sat Oct 16 15:54:53 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 11:54:53 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Improve loading time for OOo In-Reply-To: <416C831B.6070105@redjocks.com> References: <416B36F1.9000600@redjocks.com> < > <932609800410111851ba3997e@mail.gmail.com> <416B3FC5.7090402@redjocks.com> <416C7D0A.9050202@redjocks.com> <416C831B.6070105@redjocks.com> Message-ID: OK....several questions....see below Samps on Tuesday, October 12, 2004 at 9:21 PM +0000 wrote: >David, >Sorry for the late reply... Sleeping took a bit longer than expected. > >I've replied to the list, as I thought there would be a general >interest, please forgive me... > > >Yes, Samba for authentication. > >The E-Smith is set up as a Domain Controller and we're using roaming >profiles for the Windows clients. >The LTSP servers have one NIC each and are all on the same switched >subnet, along with 240 clients and some 10-11 other servers, mostly >E-smiths. > > >On the E-smith DC: > >Installed PORTMAP >Installed NFS (older version, newer one refused to install) > >Created a folder, /home/e-smith/users/LTSPhomes >exported /home/e-smith/files/users/LTSPhomes over NFS to our LTSP servers +++++++++++ how do you....or is it possible...to simply export the home directory and have it show up as the "home" directory on the K12LTSP desktop. My users are used to saving to their home folder on the K12LTSP desktop OR in Windows...to their home folder which is mapped to drive Z in "My Computer". The only hurdle I see, and it may not be one as I've not tried it ...is the fact that the SME user directories contain both "maildir" and "home". Did you create "LTSPhomes" prior to creating the users....did the permissions set right? How about this scenario? Could I create /home/e-smith/files/users/LTSPhomes export and mount via NFS as the users home directory on K12LTSP (no desktop mapping or anything like that...I simply want the "home folder" to be the default simply mapped to the LTSPhome on SME server....I use SAMBA/LDAP now and I export and mount "home" from one server to another...on the desktop it's transparent) Then in Windows..simply mount "LTSPhome" as a drive? ++++++++++++++ > > >(having trouble making PORTMAP and NFS start up at start-up, still >starting them manually) > >I have given up on getting LDAP to work for authentication, at least for >now, I've spent too much time on it, compared to the expected outcome. >Samba will have to do for now. > > > >On LTSPs (4.1.0): > >Set authentication to SMB, entered IP-addy of DC (just in case DNS ain't >working), used the GUI 'Authentication Tool' for this. > >Added an entry /etc/fstab like: >server-ip://home/e-smith/files/users/LTSPhomes /home nfs rw,udp 0 0 >this ensures that /home is in one spot (the e-smith DC), regardless of >which LTSP the user is currently using. > >Our internal IP-range has been split between our four LTSP servers, with >about 500 addresses each, no overlap. The idea being that whichever >server is fastest to answer a DHCP request is also the one best suited >to serve the client asking. Not 'real' load balancing but it seems to >work okay with the few clients that I have tried it with. > >Added a folder in /etc/skel, called H-Drive (our users are in the habit >of saving their stuff to a drive representation... it's a Windows >thing, don't ask ;-) and a hidden file called .creds.txt which is, >initially, empty. > >Users data, residing on the e-smith DC, is mounted to their >/home/H-Drive folder by a line added to GDM: >/usr/bin/connect.sh >the contents of which is: > >#!/bin/bash >smbmount //DC-name/$USER /home/$USER/H-Drive -o >uid=$USER,gid=$USER,credentials=./.creds.txt ++++++++++++ Assuming that I mount the export of LTSPhome as "home" on the K12LTSP server....since I'm authenticating to the SME server anyway...I shouldn't need or be bothered by a password at all right? Especially when dealing with my "own" home directory. ++++++++++++ > > >a launcher is added to /etc/skel/Desktop which points to connect.sh. >When the launcher is called, smbmount will ask for the password for the >users home-directory on the Samba e-smith DC and mount it on the >/home/H-Drive folder. >If the user adds a line like: password=users-samba-password in the >.creds.txt file, the home directory will be added by GDM during logon, >no questions asked. Tip from Mike Rambo, thanks Mike. > > > >The reason we are mounting stuff from other servers, using descriptors >like 'H-Drive', is, that all our client computers are running Windows >2000 at the moment and we want to make it as transparent as possible for >the users to switch between Windows and Linux, as all our PCs (bar a >handful specialised Windows ones) will PXE-boot into K12LTSP unless the >users interrupt this process, in which case they get a Windows 2000 >loaded from the local disk. > >The beauty of this setup is: >a)That we don't have to rush out and re-image a Windows installation, >they can do most work on the K12LTSP >b) Even as hardware fails (disks) the PC is still usable >c) The K12LTSP is always 'fresh' (or can be made 'fresh' by the users >themselves >d) As the size and complexity of applications increase, the locally >installed Windows suffers from hardware restrictions and the K12LTSP >scales to suit >e) In some areas, where the most unruly kids hang out, there won't be a >possibility of booting to anything BUT K12LTSP >f) We are able to use quite old hardware, which we actually buy as 'good >second hand', so we get twice as many 'bums on seats' as we would if we >had to constantly cater for the latest and greatest in locally installed >Windows programmes. > >cheers >Samps David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Sat Oct 16 17:22:40 2004 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 11:22:40 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP Setup question. Message-ID: Hello Samps, Oh man - this is a gem for me, although I'm now asking for some clarification. I'm the teacher who is running one mixed network of K12LTSP (80 boxes) with an NT domain and now a 2k or 2003 server for administrators all on a new fibre backboned network - suggested last spring, by many on this list (to overcome all of the 600 volt power issues in the ceilings of my no-conduit-toss-the-cat5-anywhere-up-there-in-the-ceiling-it'll-be-fine-kind-of-school). My technicians are way to busy to experiment on a working system and come to me for "the plan". I'm a KISS (keep-it-simple-stupid!) kind of person and have said that to avoid DHCP hang ups, I wanted only one dhcp server on my network and it would be the k12 server. This way my thin client will be the only boxes using dhcp, period - no problems. All other boxes are static IP. With a reference to one sheet of paper (my ip number list) I can ssh or vnc into any local linux or win box for maintenance - no "I wonder what the ip of that dhcp driven box is?" I'm not too sure what the overall benefit would be to running dhcp for the administrator-vp-secretary-councelling win boxes is. My school won't have more than 254 boxes total in it for some time (years). I guess that what we would gain though is better access for notebooks (gota keep the travelling big-wigs happy) or maybe a dhcp wireless access. Come to think about it, this would be great... When my kids come in for a week-end lan party, they wouldn't have to reset their networks either. OK, so if my current set up is a 192.168.1.x system, and I wanted to move all of the win boxes to dhcp, what would I need to do using the map that Samps has given below? All I would need is for a 192.168.1.x/21 network one win dhcp server 192.168.0.1 - 192.168.1.255 one k12 dhcp server 192.168.2.0- 192.168.3.255 one wireless router gateway 192.168.4.0 - 192.168.5.255 (for notebook access) I know that I've set up my current dhcp server at 192.168.1.0/24 The /21 is what is different. How will the three systems acces my one IPCop gateway/firewall out of the building?? I'm excited to give this a go! Thanks for any advice, Jim Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > >You're very lucky indeed, unless you're running your K12LTSP servers in the >"standard" 2-NIC architecture. Having eight DHCP servers serving the same >broadcast domain can be very, very dangerous. Yes, I know some snip > >--TP >_____________________ When running the domain in a private IP block (10.255 and 192.168) you can run as many DHCP servers as you can make subnets. an example: A network, 10.255.0.1/255.255.248.0, has 2046 usable addresses, from 10.255.0.1 to 10.255.7.254 (255 is broadcast and can't be allocated for other use. Each of four DHCP servers are set up to use 10.255.0.1/21 as RANGE and DHCP server 1 is using a SCOPE of 10.255.0.1 to 10.255.1.255 DHCP server 2 is using a SCOPE of 10.255.2.0 to 10.255.3.255 DHCP server 3 is using a SCOPE of 10.255.4.1 to 10.255.5.255 DHCP server 4 is using a SCOPE of 10.255.6.0 to 10.255.7.255 No overlaps in the scopes ensures that there won't be address-clashes on the network. If you subnet using a further 1 bit, then you can have twice as many DHCP servers, each serving half as many clients. cheers Samps From cwt137 at yahoo.com Sat Oct 16 22:15:19 2004 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 15:15:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Intrigue !!!! In-Reply-To: <41706580.3030303@netscape.net> Message-ID: <20041016221519.50386.qmail@web12102.mail.yahoo.com> Hello, Sun does make x86 servers that have Opteron CPUs and run windows. Look here: http://www.sun.com/servers/entry/ near the middle to bottom of page. Chris --- norbert wrote: > Hi, > > I know that this is off topic but I had to share > this "gem"...... > > The school board into which we have had fantastic > success with K12ltsp > in the schools has "announced" that they will > replace at their cost the > teacher computers, most of which are circa P-I !!!, > with new Windows > thin-clients. > > Now the "kicker", after arguing with us that their > strategic direction > was to centralize all the servers, hence why the > board was NOT > supporting K12LTSP deployment, the board is offering > to set-up & install > locally SUN Servers to run the Windows thin-clients. > > First comment - how in hell do you run a Windows > thin-client from a SUN > server and second why would anyone in their right > mind agree to this. > > enjoy > norbert > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From cwt137 at yahoo.com Sat Oct 16 22:30:08 2004 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 15:30:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] good basic complier/editor In-Reply-To: <002201c4b218$21d9af10$c605000a@ebaci> Message-ID: <20041016223008.17426.qmail@web12104.mail.yahoo.com> Have you herd of the Mono Project? It is trying to get the .net framework on linux. The main compiler is C# but they have a VB.net compiler too! Also a good IDE for this is MonoDevelop. This setup is probably the closest you can get to a MS Visual Studio .NET environment on Linux. have a look at these links and pictures: http://www.mono-project.com/ http://www.mono-project.com/img/gtk-vb.png http://www.monodevelop.com/ http://www.monodevelop.com/images/tutorial/tutorial1.png Chris --- Chris Bacigalupo wrote: > Anyone have a lead on a good Linux compliant basic > complier and/or > editor > > >>baci > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From bear2bar at netscape.net Sat Oct 16 22:29:51 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 18:29:51 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Intrigue !!!! In-Reply-To: <20041016221519.50386.qmail@web12102.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041016221519.50386.qmail@web12102.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4171A0DF.3030307@netscape.net> Hi Chris, Thanks for the info, I did not know! I believed that these were intended form Solaris x86........ well go figure... regards norbert cwt137 at yahoo.com wrote: >Hello, > >Sun does make x86 servers that have Opteron CPUs and >run windows. Look here: > >http://www.sun.com/servers/entry/ > >near the middle to bottom of page. > >Chris > >--- norbert wrote: > > > >>Hi, >> >>I know that this is off topic but I had to share >>this "gem"...... >> >>The school board into which we have had fantastic >>success with K12ltsp >>in the schools has "announced" that they will >>replace at their cost the >>teacher computers, most of which are circa P-I !!!, >>with new Windows >>thin-clients. >> >>Now the "kicker", after arguing with us that their >>strategic direction >>was to centralize all the servers, hence why the >>board was NOT >>supporting K12LTSP deployment, the board is offering >>to set-up & install >>locally SUN Servers to run the Windows thin-clients. >> >>First comment - how in hell do you run a Windows >>thin-client from a SUN >>server and second why would anyone in their right >>mind agree to this. >> >>enjoy >>norbert >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sun Oct 17 01:45:15 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 21:45:15 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP Setup question. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4171CEAB.5@cmosnetworks.com> Hello Jim, Why not just make one large /21 and adjust your DHCP scope appropriately? Say, 192.168.0.0/21. This would give you 192.168.0.1 through 192.168.7.254, which is 2046 IP addresses. You could go a bit further and exclude, say, the first 255 addresses from the scope (192.168.0.1 through 192.168.0.255). This way, you would need exactly one scope on exactly one DHCP server for the entire school LAN, which will--I guarantee you--reduce your maintenance headaches. The reason I know that is that, in my district, this is exactly what we do with /20 subnets of the 10.0.0.0 range, for all of our (currently) 256 sites, and having one DHCP server and scope per LAN has made things much easier to deal with. Your "thick clients," i. e. your Windows or locally-installed GNU/Linux boxes, can use your K12LTSP DHCP server. They will simply ignore any options that they don't need, i. e. the TFTP netboot stuff. I've tried this out with thick clients running FreeBSD, OpenBSD, Mac OS 8.1-9.2, Windows 98 through XP, and more than one distribution of GNU/Linux, including Yellow Dog Linux. These thick clients were just happy as a clam using the K12LTSP DHCP server. HTH, --TP Jim Christiansen wrote: > Hello Samps, > > Oh man - this is a gem for me, although I'm now asking for some > clarification. I'm the teacher who is running one mixed network of > K12LTSP (80 boxes) with an NT domain and now a 2k or 2003 server for > administrators all on a new fibre backboned network - suggested last > spring, by many on this list (to overcome all of the 600 volt power > issues in the ceilings of my > no-conduit-toss-the-cat5-anywhere-up-there-in-the-ceiling-it'll-be-fine-kind-of-school). > My technicians are way to busy to experiment on a working system and > come to me for "the plan". I'm a KISS (keep-it-simple-stupid!) kind > of person and have said that to avoid DHCP hang ups, I wanted only one > dhcp server on my network and it would be the k12 server. This way my > thin client will be the only boxes using dhcp, period - no problems. > All other boxes are static IP. With a reference to one sheet of paper > (my ip number list) I can ssh or vnc into any local linux or win box > for maintenance - no "I wonder what the ip of that dhcp driven box is?" > > I'm not too sure what the overall benefit would be to running dhcp for > the administrator-vp-secretary-councelling win boxes is. My school > won't have more than 254 boxes total in it for some time (years). I > guess that what we would gain though is better access for notebooks > (gota keep the travelling big-wigs happy) or maybe a dhcp wireless > access. > > Come to think about it, this would be great... When my kids come in > for a week-end lan party, they wouldn't have to reset their networks > either. > > OK, so if my current set up is a 192.168.1.x system, and I wanted to > move all of the win boxes to dhcp, what would I need to do using the > map that Samps has given below? > > All I would need is for a 192.168.1.x/21 network > one win dhcp server 192.168.0.1 - 192.168.1.255 > one k12 dhcp server 192.168.2.0- 192.168.3.255 > one wireless router gateway 192.168.4.0 - 192.168.5.255 (for > notebook access) > > I know that I've set up my current dhcp server at 192.168.1.0/24 > > The /21 is what is different. > > How will the three systems acces my one IPCop gateway/firewall out of > the building?? > > I'm excited to give this a go! > > Thanks for any advice, Jim > > > Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > >> >> You're very lucky indeed, unless you're running your K12LTSP servers >> in the "standard" 2-NIC architecture. Having eight DHCP servers >> serving the same broadcast domain can be very, very dangerous. Yes, >> I know some > > > snip > > >> >> --TP >> _____________________ > > > > > When running the domain in a private IP block (10.255 and 192.168) you > can run as many DHCP servers as you can make subnets. > > an example: > > > A network, 10.255.0.1/255.255.248.0, has 2046 usable addresses, from > 10.255.0.1 to 10.255.7.254 (255 is broadcast and can't be allocated for > other use. > > Each of four DHCP servers are set up to use 10.255.0.1/21 as RANGE and > DHCP server 1 is using a SCOPE of 10.255.0.1 to 10.255.1.255 > DHCP server 2 is using a SCOPE of 10.255.2.0 to 10.255.3.255 > DHCP server 3 is using a SCOPE of 10.255.4.1 to 10.255.5.255 > DHCP server 4 is using a SCOPE of 10.255.6.0 to 10.255.7.255 > > No overlaps in the scopes ensures that there won't be address-clashes on > the network. > > If you subnet using a further 1 bit, then you can have twice as many > DHCP servers, each serving half as many clients. > > > cheers > > Samps > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From samps at redjocks.com Sun Oct 17 02:02:55 2004 From: samps at redjocks.com (Samps) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 11:32:55 +0930 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP Setup question. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4171D2CF.6050207@redjocks.com> Jim Christiansen wrote: > > All I would need is for a 192.168.1.x/21 network > one win dhcp server 192.168.0.1 - 192.168.1.255 > one k12 dhcp server 192.168.2.0- 192.168.3.255 > one wireless router gateway 192.168.4.0 - 192.168.5.255 (for notebook > access) > > Since you've only deployed one server that actually does stuff, serving sessions to LTSP clients, I don't think you need to worry about using different scopes and more DHCP servers. Simply adjust your subnet mask so you have enough addresses for everything that needs one and let the K12LTSP server act as the only DHCP server. Only network boot enabled clients will start as LTSP clients, the rest will just get an Ip-address and go about their normal business. The reason I have four DHCP servers on my setup is, that I want to spread the load on the four K12LTSP servers, without having to get into elaborate setup of load balancing (if at all possible) and maintain the ability to 'take out' a server or two for maintenance, without having to reconfigure an awful lot. hope this helps Samps From samps at redjocks.com Sun Oct 17 02:22:41 2004 From: samps at redjocks.com (Samps) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 11:52:41 +0930 Subject: [K12OSN] Improve loading time for OOo In-Reply-To: References: <416B36F1.9000600@redjocks.com> < > <932609800410111851ba3997e@mail.gmail.com> <416B3FC5.7090402@redjocks.com> <416C7D0A.9050202@redjocks.com> <416C831B.6070105@redjocks.com> Message-ID: <4171D771.2010105@redjocks.com> David Trask wrote: > OK....several questions....see below Answers attempted inline.... > > Samps on Tuesday, October 12, 2004 at 9:21 PM +0000 > wrote: > >> >>The E-Smith is set up as a Domain Controller and we're using roaming >>profiles for the Windows clients. >>The LTSP servers have one NIC each and are all on the same switched >>subnet, along with 240 clients and some 10-11 other servers, mostly >>E-smiths. >> >> >>On the E-smith DC: >> >>Installed PORTMAP >>Installed NFS (older version, newer one refused to install) >> >>Created a folder, /home/e-smith/users/LTSPhomes >>exported /home/e-smith/files/users/LTSPhomes over NFS to our LTSP servers > > > +++++++++++ > how do you....or is it possible...to simply export the home directory and > have it show up as the "home" directory on the K12LTSP desktop. My users > are used to saving to their home folder on the K12LTSP desktop OR in > Windows...to their home folder which is mapped to drive Z in "My > Computer". The only hurdle I see, and it may not be one as I've not tried > it ...is the fact that the SME user directories contain both "maildir" and > "home". You hit the nail on the head, the problem is that E-smith doesn't export the same folder that gets mapped as 'home-dir' in Windows, at least I haven't found a way to achieve this. Did you create "LTSPhomes" prior to creating the users.... Yes, the LTSP-homes folder is created first, exported through NFS and when users are created on the LTSP server I tick the option "create /home/username" which gets created as a folder on the E-smiths LTSP-homes folder did the > permissions set right? Yes, I use the parameters RW, no_root_squash in the line in EXPORTS that defines the exporting of LTSP-homes. I think I can recall that NFS relies on UID and GID to allow access to folders and files and only the folder with the users name has the right UID/GID and gets shared read/write. How about this scenario? Could I create > /home/e-smith/files/users/LTSPhomes export and mount via NFS as the users > home directory on K12LTSP (no desktop mapping or anything like that...I > simply want the "home folder" to be the default simply mapped to the > LTSPhome on SME server....I use SAMBA/LDAP now and I export and mount > "home" from one server to another...on the desktop it's transparent) > Then in Windows..simply mount "LTSPhome" as a drive? > ++++++++++++++ > I don't know if that's possible, haven't tried. My guess is that it is possible. The users will then see a list of all users folders and will have to find their own..? Better hope permissions are okay. I'll give it a go tomorrow, I still have a week 'till I have to get 'airborne'. >> >>(having trouble making PORTMAP and NFS start up at start-up, still >>starting them manually) >> >>I have given up on getting LDAP to work for authentication, at least for >>now, I've spent too much time on it, compared to the expected outcome. >>Samba will have to do for now. >> >> >> >>On LTSPs (4.1.0): >> >>Set authentication to SMB, entered IP-addy of DC (just in case DNS ain't >>working), used the GUI 'Authentication Tool' for this. >> >>Added an entry /etc/fstab like: >>server-ip://home/e-smith/files/users/LTSPhomes /home nfs rw,udp 0 0 >>this ensures that /home is in one spot (the e-smith DC), regardless of >>which LTSP the user is currently using. >> >>Our internal IP-range has been split between our four LTSP servers, with >>about 500 addresses each, no overlap. The idea being that whichever >>server is fastest to answer a DHCP request is also the one best suited >>to serve the client asking. Not 'real' load balancing but it seems to >>work okay with the few clients that I have tried it with. >> >>Added a folder in /etc/skel, called H-Drive (our users are in the habit >>of saving their stuff to a drive representation... it's a Windows >>thing, don't ask ;-) and a hidden file called .creds.txt which is, >>initially, empty. >> >>Users data, residing on the e-smith DC, is mounted to their >>/home/H-Drive folder by a line added to GDM: >>/usr/bin/connect.sh >>the contents of which is: >> >>#!/bin/bash >>smbmount //DC-name/$USER /home/$USER/H-Drive -o >>uid=$USER,gid=$USER,credentials=./.creds.txt > > > ++++++++++++ > Assuming that I mount the export of LTSPhome as "home" on the K12LTSP > server....since I'm authenticating to the SME server anyway...I shouldn't > need or be bothered by a password at all right? Especially when dealing > with my "own" home directory. > ++++++++++++ > That is a fair assumption. Since you're logged in, your credentials are known to the E-smith. Is there a variable in Linux like $PASSWORD or $SMBPASSWORD? If so, replace the crdentials=./.creds.txt with username=$USER,password=$PASSWORD and it should mount during login... Another thing I'll have to try tomorrow. >> >>a launcher is added to /etc/skel/Desktop which points to connect.sh. >>When the launcher is called, smbmount will ask for the password for the >>users home-directory on the Samba e-smith DC and mount it on the >>/home/H-Drive folder. >>If the user adds a line like: password=users-samba-password in the >>.creds.txt file, the home directory will be added by GDM during logon, >>no questions asked. Tip from Mike Rambo, thanks Mike. >> >> >> >>The reason we are mounting stuff from other servers, using descriptors >>like 'H-Drive', is, that all our client computers are running Windows >>2000 at the moment and we want to make it as transparent as possible for >>the users to switch between Windows and Linux, as all our PCs (bar a >>handful specialised Windows ones) will PXE-boot into K12LTSP unless the >>users interrupt this process, in which case they get a Windows 2000 >>loaded from the local disk. >> >>The beauty of this setup is: >>a)That we don't have to rush out and re-image a Windows installation, >>they can do most work on the K12LTSP >>b) Even as hardware fails (disks) the PC is still usable >>c) The K12LTSP is always 'fresh' (or can be made 'fresh' by the users >>themselves >>d) As the size and complexity of applications increase, the locally >>installed Windows suffers from hardware restrictions and the K12LTSP >>scales to suit >>e) In some areas, where the most unruly kids hang out, there won't be a >>possibility of booting to anything BUT K12LTSP >>f) We are able to use quite old hardware, which we actually buy as 'good >>second hand', so we get twice as many 'bums on seats' as we would if we >>had to constantly cater for the latest and greatest in locally installed >>Windows programmes. >> >>cheers >>Samps > > > > David N. Trask From samps at redjocks.com Sun Oct 17 03:00:29 2004 From: samps at redjocks.com (Samps) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 12:30:29 +0930 Subject: [K12OSN] Improve loading time for OOo In-Reply-To: <4171D771.2010105@redjocks.com> References: <416B36F1.9000600@redjocks.com> < > <932609800410111851ba3997e@mail.gmail.com> <416B3FC5.7090402@redjocks.com> <416C7D0A.9050202@redjocks.com> <416C831B.6070105@redjocks.com> <4171D771.2010105@redjocks.com> Message-ID: <4171E04D.20909@redjocks.com> Samps wrote: >>> #!/bin/bash >>> smbmount //DC-name/$USER /home/$USER/H-Drive -o >>> uid=$USER,gid=$USER,credentials=./.creds.txt >> >> >> David Trask wrote: >> ++++++++++++ >> Assuming that I mount the export of LTSPhome as "home" on the K12LTSP >> server....since I'm authenticating to the SME server anyway...I shouldn't >> need or be bothered by a password at all right? Especially when dealing >> with my "own" home directory. >> ++++++++++++ >> > > That is a fair assumption. Since you're logged in, your credentials are > known to the E-smith. Is there a variable in Linux like $PASSWORD or > $SMBPASSWORD? If so, replace the crdentials=./.creds.txt with > username=$USER,password=$PASSWORD and it should mount during login... > Another thing I'll have to try tomorrow. From the samba.org page on SMBMOUNT: username= specifies the username to connect as. If this is not given, then the environment variable USER is used. This option can also take the form "user%password" or "user/workgroup" or "user/workgroup%password" to allow the password and workgroup to be specified as part of the username. password= specifies the SMB password. If this option is not given then the environment variable PASSWD is used. If it can find no password smbmount will prompt for a passeword, unless the guest option is given. Looks promising. :-) Samps From debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au Sun Oct 17 03:13:52 2004 From: debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au (Debbie Schiel) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 13:13:52 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Woe is me: Onboard SCSI/RAID Controller In-Reply-To: <1097605166.416c202e3473b@webmail.telus.net> References: <416BC0D7.1040504@redeemer.qld.edu.au> <1097605166.416c202e3473b@webmail.telus.net> Message-ID: <4171E370.3050905@redeemer.qld.edu.au> Hi Robert, That was very good news, very encouraging, and yes it did help enormously. I tried installing K12ltsp 4.1.0 with no luck. Then I tried 4.1.1 as suggested but same result. I tried a 'linux dd' with the aic79xx driver from the Gibbs website - nope. Then I tried 3.1.2 which you said you have no problems with and... SUCCESS, it installed! I must admit I also had a lot of over-the-phone help from a contact down in ACT. However, now I have a version of K12 that I am unfamiliar with and I can't connect it to the net, or to my demo clients, plus my fix for adding a usb key (which worked on 4.1.0) doesn't work... *sigh* So on one hand I have a sooper dopper G700 with 3.1.2 and I'm not getting anywhere with it (yet!); and on the other hand I have my demo PIII with 4.1.0 that can support a couple clients but is as slow as... All part of the fun of FOSS I suppose! Best regards, Debbie Robert Arkiletian wrote: > Hi Debbie, > I have good news. I am using this SCSI controller chip AIC7902W with super > stability/performance in my school. I researched the chip before I bought it. It > has very affordable scsi performance. > > I got an intel server board with the chip. The docs say it supports HOST raid. > However, Linux does NOT support Host Raid. Host raid is actually software raid > for Windows (ITS NOT HARDWARE RAID). There are drivers for Windows to make it > work but not for Linux. However, the linux kernel will support software raid > using LVM, which is just as fast as some hardware raid setups. (Although I have > not tried it, I know it's done when you setup your partitions) The beautiful > aspect of the AIC7902W is that is has TWO scsi channels. So you can have the > full throughput of each channel and raid them through the kernel. All I did was > use one scsi drive for / and another for /home. I have not tried raid. I'm using > k12ltsp 3.1.2 (redhat 9) and not 4.1.1 (FC2). 32 clients == no problem. > > A couple of notes. You MUST disable HostRaid in the bios for the controller to > work with Linux. Also, I down graded each scsi channel to 160 mb/s instead of > the 320 mb/s (default). The system was not fully stable at 320mb/s because of > scsi driver issues. Don't worry though a new 10k rpm scsi drive only needs > around 60 mb/s bandwidth. So you should be okay for about 3 drives/channel at > full throttle for all of them (highly unlikely). I don't think you will ever > need more than 6 scsi drives for k12ltsp. The driver for the kernel is written > by Justin Gibbs. He had some issues/disagreements with James Bottomley (kernel > maintainer) and Linus Torvalds. So he pulled the drivers before version 2.0.x > from his site. The 2.6 series kernel has stable adaptec scsi aic79xx driver > 1.3.x in it. But if you go with k12ltsp 4.0.1 (FC1 & kernel 2.4.22) or earlier > you will have to use a driver update disk (DUD) from here (versin > 2.0) > > http://people.freebsd.org/~gibbs/linux/ > > these are stable too but the kernel maintainers are wary of them for technical > reasons beyond my comprehension. > > This DUD disk has to be made with "dd" and must be used during installation of > the OS in Expert mode. > If you go with k12ltsp 4.1.1 (FC2) , no worries, it has stable scsi adaptec > aic79xx driver 1.3.x built in since it comes with kernel 2.6.5 > If I was you, I would go with k12ltsp 4.1.1 (FC2) from the beginning. It will be > the easiest for you. I did not have this option when I started. Just don't > forget to disable HostRaid in the SCSI bios and lower the throughput to 160mb/s > for each channel and you should be good to go. Also make sure your scsi cables > are high quality and terminated properly. > > Hope that helps > Good luck > > BTW the drivers on adaptec/intel sites are very old (don't use them) > > Robert Arkiletian > > > -- http://www.redeemer.qld.edu.au/ From samps at redjocks.com Sun Oct 17 03:25:31 2004 From: samps at redjocks.com (Samps) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 12:55:31 +0930 Subject: [K12OSN] Woe is me: Onboard SCSI/RAID Controller In-Reply-To: <4171E370.3050905@redeemer.qld.edu.au> References: <416BC0D7.1040504@redeemer.qld.edu.au> <1097605166.416c202e3473b@webmail.telus.net> <4171E370.3050905@redeemer.qld.edu.au> Message-ID: <4171E62B.8090502@redjocks.com> Debbie Schiel wrote: > However, now I have a version of K12 that I am unfamiliar with and I > can't connect it to the net, or to my demo clients, plus my fix for > adding a usb key (which worked on 4.1.0) doesn't work... *sigh* > > > All part of the fun of FOSS I suppose! > > Best regards, > > Debbie > Debbie, I would really, really, REALLY like to see a write-up on how you did the USB key thing... If you have the time to pin it out, that is. Please... cheers Samps (Mount Gambier, SA) From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sun Oct 17 04:55:53 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 00:55:53 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Improve loading time for OOo In-Reply-To: <4171D771.2010105@redjocks.com> References: <416B36F1.9000600@redjocks.com> < > < > < > <932609800410111851ba3997e@mail.gmail.com> < > <416B3FC5.7090402@redjocks.com> < > < > <416C7D0A.9050202@redjocks.com> < > <416C831B.6070105@redjocks.com> < > <4171D771.2010105@redjocks.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Saturday, October 16, 2004 at 10:22 PM +0000 wrote: >Yes, the LTSP-homes folder is created first, exported through NFS and >when users are created on the LTSP server I tick the option "create >/home/username" which gets created as a folder on the E-smiths >LTSP-homes folder Why are you creating the users of the LTSP box? Especially if you're suthenticating to the E-Smith box? Can you explain further? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au Sun Oct 17 06:21:39 2004 From: debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au (Debbie Schiel) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 16:21:39 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] "USB Key Thing" In-Reply-To: <4171E62B.8090502@redjocks.com> References: <416BC0D7.1040504@redeemer.qld.edu.au> <1097605166.416c202e3473b@webmail.telus.net> <4171E370.3050905@redeemer.qld.edu.au> <4171E62B.8090502@redjocks.com> Message-ID: <41720F73.8070901@redeemer.qld.edu.au> Samps wrote: > > Debbie, > > I would really, really, REALLY like to see a write-up on how you did the > USB key thing... If you have the time to pin it out, that is. Please... > Hi Samps, I can't guarantee this'll work for you because every setup seems to be different but it's worth a try. Add the following line to the file /etc/fstab /dev/sda /mnt/usb vfat defaults,noauto,users,sync,umask=0022 0 0 Make sure you have a directory in /mnt called 'usb' and change the permissions on it so everyone can read & write (I don't know if that's the correct thing to do but I did it anyway). This worked for me on my laptop & a PIII running K12ltsp 4.1.0. see - http://tlug.up.ac.za/csslug/usb_devices.html for more help and - http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Technical%3AStorage%3AUSB and search the K12OSN for "USB mount error - not a valid block device". Calvin Dodge via k12osn gave some good advice which helped sort out my USB probs. Hope you get it sorted out. I know it can get frustrating but, in the short time I've been using K12ltsp, I also know that perseverance pays. Best regards, Debbie -- http://www.redeemer.qld.edu.au/ From samps at redjocks.com Sun Oct 17 10:34:47 2004 From: samps at redjocks.com (Samps) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 20:04:47 +0930 Subject: [K12OSN] Improve loading time for OOo In-Reply-To: References: <416B36F1.9000600@redjocks.com> < > < > < > <932609800410111851ba3997e@mail.gmail.com> < > <416B3FC5.7090402@redjocks.com> < > < > <416C7D0A.9050202@redjocks.com> < > <416C831B.6070105@redjocks.com> < > <4171D771.2010105@redjocks.com> Message-ID: <41724AC7.8040200@redjocks.com> David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Saturday, October 16, 2004 at 10:22 PM +0000 wrote: > >>Yes, the LTSP-homes folder is created first, exported through NFS and >>when users are created on the LTSP server I tick the option "create >>/home/username" which gets created as a folder on the E-smiths >>LTSP-homes folder > > > Why are you creating the users of the LTSP box? Especially if you're > suthenticating to the E-Smith box? Can you explain further? > > David N. Trask I tried just creating them on the E-smith server but it didn't work. Apparently K12LTSP needs to store some info about each and everyone of them. It's not a big hassle tho' and their passwords don't need to be maintained on the K12LTSP server, only on the E-smith. Much of what I've done to get it running has been trial-of-error. I only really started digging into K12LTSP recently, and into Linux only this year, so I'm still a struggling newbie. Most likely, someone will be able to tell me about simpler or more correct ways to do things but I'm learning a lot and I really appreciate that. cheers Samps From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Sun Oct 17 14:09:14 2004 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 09:09:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Improve loading time for OOo In-Reply-To: <41724AC7.8040200@redjocks.com> References: <416B36F1.9000600@redjocks.com> < > < > < > <932609800410111851ba3997e@mail.gmail.com> < > <416B3FC5.7090402@redjocks.com> < > < > <416C7D0A.9050202@redjocks.com> < > <416C831B.6070105@redjocks.com> < > <4171D771.2010105@redjocks.com> <41724AC7.8040200@redjocks.com> Message-ID: <207388D7-2046-11D9-A559-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Why not use NIS or LDAP for this?? >> Why are you creating the users of the LTSP box? Especially if you're >> suthenticating to the E-Smith box? Can you explain further? >> David N. Trask > > > I tried just creating them on the E-smith server but it didn't work. > Apparently K12LTSP needs to store some info about each and everyone of > them. > It's not a big hassle tho' and their passwords don't need to be > maintained on the K12LTSP server, only on the E-smith. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkFyfQoACgkQfqZR3ThMfXT02gCdHZjQ2wC2A3D+vPUAGd/pLPeI 8hsAnA3ystfNQepIcJzSpNo+C+N0F3jz =4ADl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From julius at turtle.com Sun Oct 17 15:25:49 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 11:25:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] can't access samba shares from winxp Message-ID: Dear Folks, what do I need to do to have full access to samba shares from a winxp computer? The win98 and win2k boxes have no problem finding the shares by names set up in smb.conf, like, say "\\private\home". The winxp pro can find the samba servers only by address and finds only the publicly accessible stuff - nothing with user level authentication. This is the case for both K12LTSP 3.1.2 and 4.1.0. It is rather annoying to users and they annoy me in turn, unfortunately I am really hoplessly lost when it comes to M$ setups. Thanks, julius From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sun Oct 17 16:30:06 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 12:30:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] can't access samba shares from winxp In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41729E0E.6000208@cmosnetworks.com> Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: >Dear Folks, > what do I need to do to have full access to samba shares from a >winxp computer? The win98 and win2k boxes have no problem finding the >shares by names set up in smb.conf, like, say "\\private\home". The winxp >pro can find the samba servers only by address and finds only the publicly >accessible stuff - nothing with user level authentication. This is the >case for both K12LTSP 3.1.2 and 4.1.0. It is rather annoying to users and >they annoy me in turn, unfortunately I am really hoplessly lost when it >comes to M$ setups. Thanks, julius > > Hello Julius, I was in a smaller-scale version of the same situation about a year ago. The whole shop runs XP on the desktop, but GNU/Linux and Samba 3.0 on the server. What it sounds like is a WINS issue. Are your XP boxes pointing to the same NBNS as the Samba box? They need to be, otherwise things'll break. If that checks out, though, then you might be looking at a stale WINS cache on the Samba server. This assumes that your NBNS is Samba. Stop nmbd, head over to the /var/lib/samba directory and delete wins.dat. Restart nmbd. This helped me out of a jam just last week with a new server install; "server01" was resolving to 192.168.0.253, the original IP address of the server, but I had changed it to something else. --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From les at futuresource.com Sun Oct 17 17:40:36 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 12:40:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] can't access samba shares from winxp In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1098034836.466.14.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2004-10-17 at 10:25, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > Dear Folks, > what do I need to do to have full access to samba shares from a > winxp computer? The win98 and win2k boxes have no problem finding the > shares by names set up in smb.conf, like, say "\\private\home". The winxp > pro can find the samba servers only by address and finds only the publicly > accessible stuff - nothing with user level authentication. This is the > case for both K12LTSP 3.1.2 and 4.1.0. It is rather annoying to users and > they annoy me in turn, unfortunately I am really hoplessly lost when it > comes to M$ setups. Thanks, julius The server address and authentication are two different issues. Finding the server by name can use either netbios/WINS resolution or DNS. If the samba server is in DNS, the windows boxes should find it but you either need to use the full domain name or be sure the windows clients are configured to search that DNS domain when given a bare hostname. They should also be able to find it via WINS if all machines are using the same WINS server. For user authentication it helps if the user logged into windows with the same username that he has on the server. This may be the only way to make the magic 'homes' work where each user sees only his own home share. Also for XP you need to use regedit to change: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\ControlSet\Services\ControlSet\Services\Netlogon\Parameters\requiresignorseal from the default setting of 1 to 0 to make it do a domain login to a samba server. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From carl at snarlnet.com Sun Oct 17 18:14:17 2004 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 11:14:17 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] here we go again - reloading 4.1 Message-ID: <000401c4b475$1e2856f0$0701000a@winworkstation> So, The problem with an OS that just works for years on end and never needs any attention is that when you have to reinstall it you can't remember anything you did to get it working in the first place. As a counterpoint, I could probably install and configure a Windows web/ftp server in my sleep now. Anyway, I upgraded to 4.1 from 4.0.1 and it hosed all my settings. I think it did it because I had set it up inititially with eth0 and eth1 reversed. Now, my client gets past DHCP but hangs on TFTP with the rotating cursor thing. It doesn't say it's downloading any kernel or anything. Does anyone have a checklist of files to configure? I tried the suggestions on "troubleshooting" link to ltsp.org from the k12ltsp page and it's still not working. I guess a deeper question is this: What config files does the 4.1 installer mess with and what does it do to them? I'd like to have a complete list of what gets configured so I could go in there and replace everything. I've found IP addresses reversed in all the config files I've looked at. With the "outside" IP address every place that 192.168.0.254 should be. Thanks, I'm on the digest. ck From julius at turtle.com Sun Oct 17 18:46:29 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 14:46:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] can't access samba shares from winxp In-Reply-To: <41729E0E.6000208@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 17 Oct 2004, [ISO-8859-1] "Terrell Prud?, Jr." wrote: > Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > > >Dear Folks, > > what do I need to do to have full access to samba shares from a > >winxp computer? The win98 and win2k boxes have no problem finding the > >shares by names set up in smb.conf, like, say "\\private\home". The winxp > >pro can find the samba servers only by address and finds only the publicly > >accessible stuff - nothing with user level authentication. This is the > >case for both K12LTSP 3.1.2 and 4.1.0. It is rather annoying to users and > >they annoy me in turn, unfortunately I am really hoplessly lost when it > >comes to M$ setups. Thanks, julius > > > > > > Hello Julius, > > I was in a smaller-scale version of the same situation about a year > ago. The whole shop runs XP on the desktop, but GNU/Linux and Samba 3.0 > on the server. What it sounds like is a WINS issue. Are your XP boxes > pointing to the same NBNS as the Samba box? They need to be, otherwise > things'll break. > > If that checks out, though, then you might be looking at a stale WINS > cache on the Samba server. This assumes that your NBNS is Samba. Stop > nmbd, head over to the /var/lib/samba directory and delete wins.dat. > Restart nmbd. This helped me out of a jam just last week with a new > server install; "server01" was resolving to 192.168.0.253, the original > IP address of the server, but I had changed it to something else. > Terrell, the depth of my ignorance is such that I don't even know what NBNS is. The only samba servers I run are K12LTSP boxes and an HP-UX server. I did notice that I don't have wins.dat file anywhere, I don't even have /var/lib/samba directory. Thanks, julius From julius at turtle.com Sun Oct 17 19:11:28 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 15:11:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] can't access samba shares from winxp In-Reply-To: <1098034836.466.14.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 17 Oct 2004, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Sun, 2004-10-17 at 10:25, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > > Dear Folks, > > what do I need to do to have full access to samba shares from a > > winxp computer? The win98 and win2k boxes have no problem finding the > > shares by names set up in smb.conf, like, say "\\private\home". The winxp > > pro can find the samba servers only by address and finds only the publicly > > accessible stuff - nothing with user level authentication. This is the > > case for both K12LTSP 3.1.2 and 4.1.0. It is rather annoying to users and > > they annoy me in turn, unfortunately I am really hoplessly lost when it > > comes to M$ setups. Thanks, julius > > The server address and authentication are two different issues. Finding > the server by name can use either netbios/WINS resolution or DNS. If > the samba server is in DNS, the windows boxes should find it but you > either need to use the full domain name or be sure the windows clients > are configured to search that DNS domain when given a bare hostname. > They should also be able to find it via WINS if all machines are using > the same WINS server. > > For user authentication it helps if the user logged into windows with > the same username that he has on the server. This may be the only way > to make the magic 'homes' work where each user sees only his own home > share. Also for XP you need to use regedit to change: > HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\ControlSet\Services\ControlSet\Services\Netlogon\Parameters\requiresignorseal > from the default setting of 1 to 0 to make it do a domain login to a > samba server. > OK, Les. Changed the registry setings. Now I have another question - how do I make the named daemon serve addresses that are in the /etc/hosts file. The DNS on PCs points to the K12 server, which runs named and knows about external DNS servers. Thanks, julius From les at futuresource.com Sun Oct 17 20:45:02 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 15:45:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] can't access samba shares from winxp In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1098045901.804.12.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2004-10-17 at 14:11, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > OK, Les. Changed the registry setings. Now I have another question - how > do I make the named daemon serve addresses that are in the /etc/hosts > file. The DNS on PCs points to the K12 server, which runs named and knows > about external DNS servers. /etc/named.conf is the main config file for named, and it will specify the directory where the zone files are stored. Each domain that it provides addresses for is listed in a 'zone' section, and the entries are stored in the specified zone files. If you are adding addresses to an existing domain, just put A records in the zone file. If you are adding a new domain, you need a new zone entry in named.conf. You should be able to do either through webmin which will also build the reverse (number-to-name) entries for you. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Sun Oct 17 21:00:57 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 16:00:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] "fatter" client setup Message-ID: <1098046856.804.28.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> This was just mentioned on freshmeat.net: http://drbl.sourceforge.net/ It is a network boot setup that differs from LTSP in that the clients load programs over NFS but run them locally. In theory that should allow more clients per server if the clients are P200's or better. They also have something called 'clonezilla' for rolling out full installs on client hard drives. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sun Oct 17 21:14:27 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?UTF-8?B?IlRlcnJlbGwgUHJ1ZMOpLCBKci4i?=) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 17:14:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] can't access samba shares from winxp In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4172E0B3.8000609@cmosnetworks.com> Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: >On Sun, 17 Oct 2004, [ISO-8859-1] "Terrell Prud?, Jr." wrote: > > > >>Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: >> >> >> >>>Dear Folks, >>> what do I need to do to have full access to samba shares from a >>>winxp computer? The win98 and win2k boxes have no problem finding the >>>shares by names set up in smb.conf, like, say "\\private\home". The winxp >>>pro can find the samba servers only by address and finds only the publicly >>>accessible stuff - nothing with user level authentication. This is the >>>case for both K12LTSP 3.1.2 and 4.1.0. It is rather annoying to users and >>>they annoy me in turn, unfortunately I am really hoplessly lost when it >>>comes to M$ setups. Thanks, julius >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Hello Julius, >> >>I was in a smaller-scale version of the same situation about a year >>ago. The whole shop runs XP on the desktop, but GNU/Linux and Samba 3.0 >>on the server. What it sounds like is a WINS issue. Are your XP boxes >>pointing to the same NBNS as the Samba box? They need to be, otherwise >>things'll break. >> >>If that checks out, though, then you might be looking at a stale WINS >>cache on the Samba server. This assumes that your NBNS is Samba. Stop >>nmbd, head over to the /var/lib/samba directory and delete wins.dat. >>Restart nmbd. This helped me out of a jam just last week with a new >>server install; "server01" was resolving to 192.168.0.253, the original >>IP address of the server, but I had changed it to something else. >> >> >> >Terrell, > the depth of my ignorance is such that I don't even know what NBNS >is. The only samba servers I run are K12LTSP boxes and an HP-UX server. I >did notice that I don't have wins.dat file anywhere, I don't even have >/var/lib/samba directory. > Thanks, julius > > > NBNS = "NetBIOS Name Server". The MS implementation of this is called WINS. Do a search from / for wins.dat (find / -name 'wins.dat*' -print), and when you find it...KILL IT. >-) --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From cliebow at downeast.net Sun Oct 17 22:54:24 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 22:54:24 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] can't access samba shares from winxp Message-ID: <200410172255.i9HMtki16318@downeast.net> Hey Julius: they all in the same workgroup..otherwise xp is too stupid to find them..chuck > Dear Folks, > what do I need to do to have full access to samba shares from a > winxp computer? The win98 and win2k boxes have no problem finding the > shares by names set up in smb.conf, like, say "\\private\home". The winxp > pro can find the samba servers only by address and finds only the publicly > accessible stuff - nothing with user level authentication. This is the > case for both K12LTSP 3.1.2 and 4.1.0. It is rather annoying to users and > they annoy me in turn, unfortunately I am really hoplessly lost when it > comes to M$ setups. Thanks, julius > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From haynest at mchsi.com Sun Oct 17 23:40:05 2004 From: haynest at mchsi.com (Thomas E. Haynes) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 18:40:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] can't access samba shares from winxp In-Reply-To: <200410172255.i9HMtki16318@downeast.net> Message-ID: <200410172341.i9HNfB1T023378@mx1.redhat.com> > > > Dear Folks, > > what do I need to do to have full access to samba > shares from a winxp > > computer? The win98 and win2k boxes have no problem finding > the shares We have a Windows network at school. The kids have laptops with XP Pro and have a mapped drive that is for network storage. We serve up userdir web pages from this as well. When kids have had a machine reimaged, sometimes they get to class and need to remap. It all works the way it is supposed to work. The samba machine authenticates against the domain, and it all works very well. The file server and two other linux machines show up in the network neighborhood. I am not the biggest expert, but if you think it might help, I'll send you my conf file. Regards... Tom From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Oct 18 00:08:36 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 20:08:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Improve loading time for OOo In-Reply-To: <207388D7-2046-11D9-A559-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> References: <207388D7-2046-11D9-A559-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Sunday, October 17, 2004 at 10:09 AM +0000 wrote: >Why not use NIS or LDAP for this?? I do....I'm the guy who wrote the Samba/LDAP how-to (go to http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us and click on Linux Stuff), but I'm also a huge fan of the ease of use with SME server....simply looking for other easier methods that people may use. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Oct 18 00:21:36 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 20:21:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Improve loading time for OOo In-Reply-To: <41724AC7.8040200@redjocks.com> References: <416B36F1.9000600@redjocks.com> < > < > < > < > < > <932609800410111851ba3997e@mail.gmail.com> < > < > < > <416B3FC5.7090402@redjocks.com> < > < > < > < > < > < > <416C7D0A.9050202@redjocks.com> < > < > <416C831B.6070105@redjocks.com> < > < > < > < > <4171D771.2010105@redjocks.com> < > <41724AC7.8040200@redjocks.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Sunday, October 17, 2004 at 6:34 AM +0000 wrote: >I tried just creating them on the E-smith server but it didn't work. >Apparently K12LTSP needs to store some info about each and everyone of >them. >It's not a big hassle tho' and their passwords don't need to be >maintained on the K12LTSP server, only on the E-smith. > >Much of what I've done to get it running has been trial-of-error. I only >really started digging into K12LTSP recently, and into Linux only this >year, so I'm still a struggling newbie. Most likely, someone will be >able to tell me about simpler or more correct ways to do things but I'm >learning a lot and I really appreciate that. Hope you don't mind. I'm living vicariously through you at the moment :-) Try this if you get a chance....create the user in E-Smith (SME)...mount the home dir and then use the reset desktop command on the K12LTSP server to "populate" the home folder with the necessary stuff.....the command is found in /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux.....then run the reset-default-desktop command (usage: . reset-default-desktop username) I suspect that your creating the users on the K12LTSP box is simply "populating" the home folder with the necessary stuff during the creation, and this may simply replace this process. To do it for all users use the "reset-all-desktops" command in the same directory. This is just like using "reset desktop" as a session...does not destroy users data...it simply copies the contents of /etc/skel to the user's home dir. One idea that may help....you may need to change the permissions for the home dirs to do this....change them to chmod 777 /home/* and when you finish change them back chmod 700 /home/* David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From samps at redjocks.com Mon Oct 18 00:17:25 2004 From: samps at redjocks.com (Samps) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 09:47:25 +0930 Subject: [K12OSN] Improve loading time for OOo In-Reply-To: References: <416B36F1.9000600@redjocks.com> < > < > < > < > < > <932609800410111851ba3997e@mail.gmail.com> < > < > < > <416B3FC5.7090402@redjocks.com> < > < > < > < > < > < > <416C7D0A.9050202@redjocks.com> < > < > <416C831B.6070105@redjocks.com> < > < > < > < > <4171D771.2010105@redjocks.com> < > <41724AC7.8040200@redjocks.com> Message-ID: <41730B95.2000106@redjocks.com> David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Sunday, October 17, 2004 at 6:34 AM +0000 wrote: > >>I tried just creating them on the E-smith server but it didn't work. >>Apparently K12LTSP needs to store some info about each and everyone of >>them. >>It's not a big hassle tho' and their passwords don't need to be >>maintained on the K12LTSP server, only on the E-smith. >> >>Much of what I've done to get it running has been trial-of-error. I only >>really started digging into K12LTSP recently, and into Linux only this >>year, so I'm still a struggling newbie. Most likely, someone will be >>able to tell me about simpler or more correct ways to do things but I'm >>learning a lot and I really appreciate that. > > > > > Hope you don't mind. I'm living vicariously through you at the moment :-) > Try this if you get a chance....create the user in E-Smith (SME)...mount > the home dir and then use the reset desktop command on the K12LTSP server > to "populate" the home folder with the necessary stuff.....the command is > found in /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux.....then run the > reset-default-desktop command (usage: . reset-default-desktop username) > I suspect that your creating the users on the K12LTSP box is simply > "populating" the home folder with the necessary stuff during the creation, > and this may simply replace this process. To do it for all users use the > "reset-all-desktops" command in the same directory. This is just like > using "reset desktop" as a session...does not destroy users data...it > simply copies the contents of /etc/skel to the user's home dir. One idea > that may help....you may need to change the permissions for the home dirs > to do this....change them to chmod 777 /home/* and when you finish > change them back chmod 700 /home/* > > > David N. Trask Thanks for the tip. I was about to script my way out of creating a huge load of users (on four servers + the e-smith), if your trick works then I'll have saved a lot time and effort. :-) Samps From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Oct 18 00:31:59 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 20:31:59 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Improve loading time for OOo In-Reply-To: <41730B95.2000106@redjocks.com> References: <416B36F1.9000600@redjocks.com> < > < > < > < > < > < > < > <932609800410111851ba3997e@mail.gmail.com> < > < > < > < > < > <416B3FC5.7090402@redjocks.com> < > < > < > < > < > < > < > < > < > < > <416C7D0A.9050202@redjocks.com> < > < > < > < > <416C831B.6070105@redjocks.com> < > < > < > < > < > < > < > < > <4171D771.2010105@redjocks.com> < > < > < > < > <41724AC7.8040200@redjocks.com> < > <41730B95.2000106@redjocks.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Sunday, October 17, 2004 at 8:17 PM +0000 wrote: >Thanks for the tip. > >I was about to script my way out of creating a huge load of users (on >four servers + the e-smith), if your trick works then I'll have saved a >lot time and effort. If you're looking for a script to do bulk users in SME...go here to Abe Loveless's contribs section at tech-geeks.org http://www.tech-geeks.org/contrib/loveless/SMEServer/contribs/ and go to the batch users script. It's got a very explanatory README that will talk you through set up and usage (vary simple). (the batch hosts script is also useful for adding multiple entries in the "hostnames and addresses panel" you can create one text file using Excel or whatever and then dupe it to all your SME boxes using these scripts. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From samps at redjocks.com Mon Oct 18 00:31:01 2004 From: samps at redjocks.com (Samps) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 10:01:01 +0930 Subject: [K12OSN] Improve loading time for OOo In-Reply-To: References: <416B36F1.9000600@redjocks.com> < > < > < > < > < > < > < > <932609800410111851ba3997e@mail.gmail.com> < > < > < > < > < > <416B3FC5.7090402@redjocks.com> < > < > < > < > < > < > < > < > < > < > <416C7D0A.9050202@redjocks.com> < > < > < > < > <416C831B.6070105@redjocks.com> < > < > < > < > < > < > < > < > <4171D771.2010105@redjocks.com> < > < > < > < > <41724AC7.8040200@redjocks.com> < > <41730B95.2000106@redjocks.com> Message-ID: <41730EC5.1030202@redjocks.com> David Trask wrote: > If you're looking for a script to do bulk users in SME...go here to Abe > Loveless's contribs section at tech-geeks.org > http://www.tech-geeks.org/contrib/loveless/SMEServer/contribs/ and go to > > David N. Trask Thanks, I'll give it a go. Have you tried Lazy-Admin-Tools? http://www.contribs.org/contribs/mblotwijk/HowToGuides/lazy-admin-tools.htm cheers Samps From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Oct 18 01:27:22 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 21:27:22 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Improve loading time for OOo In-Reply-To: <41730EC5.1030202@redjocks.com> References: <416B36F1.9000600@redjocks.com> < > < > < > < > < > < > < > < > < > <932609800410111851ba3997e@mail.gmail.com> < > < > < > < > < > < > < > <416B3FC5.7090402@redjocks.com> < > < > < > < > < > < > < > < > < > < > < > < > < > < > <416C7D0A.9050202@redjocks.com> < > < > < > < > < > < > <416C831B.6070105@redjocks.com> < > < > < > < > < > < > < > < > < > < > < > < > <4171D771.2010105@redjocks.com> < > < > < > < > < > < > < > < > <41724AC7.8040200@redjocks.com> < > < > < > < > <41730B95.2000106@redjocks.com> < > <41730EC5.1030202@redjocks.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Sunday, October 17, 2004 at 8:31 PM +0000 wrote: >Have you tried Lazy-Admin-Tools? > >http://www.contribs.org/contribs/mblotwijk/HowToGuides/lazy-admin-tools.htm Yes, but I happen to find Abe's script easier to use David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Oct 18 01:39:11 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 21:39:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] "fatter" client setup In-Reply-To: <1098046856.804.28.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <1098046856.804.28.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Sunday, October 17, 2004 at 5:00 PM +0000 wrote: >This was just mentioned on freshmeat.net: > http://drbl.sourceforge.net/ >It is a network boot setup that differs from LTSP in that >the clients load programs over NFS but run them locally. >In theory that should allow more clients per server if >the clients are P200's or better. They also have something >called 'clonezilla' for rolling out full installs on >client hard drives. very interesting! I'm wondering...whaddya' think (anyone) Could it be possible to run "both" on one server? The main issue I can see would be how to differentiate the booting which might be solvable with multiple NIC's. I'm intrigued about this as it may help performance. I'm guessing this is basically similar to a "diskless netboot" in which the host systems (client) resources are used in the process....ie: the CPU and RAM. In most cases I'm willing to bet that folks are using at least 200 mhz machines and many have at least 128 mb RAM or more. Even the machines from diskless workstations are way above this miminum spec. All of my machines are at least Pentium 1 with 166+ mhz....although I have to say that 95% or more are Pentium Pro or PII or better. I may just try this to see how it works on a sandbox system. I may do a server install of K12LTSP without the LTSP bits and instead use the DRBL stuff in it's place. If anyone else tries this...share your results. Maybe it could be an optional install for K12LTSP in the future. Just a thought.....kinda' along the lines of pursuing "Stateless Linux". David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Mon Oct 18 04:18:18 2004 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 17:18:18 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] New Zealand Student Management systems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200410180418.i9I4IEFJ030196@dbmail-mx3.orcon.net.nz> I tried to send a message but the email address bounced. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Noel Corbett Sent: Sunday, 17 October 2004 2:08 a.m. To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] New Zealand Student Management systems I apologise for this is not exactly related to this list but I notice that there is a few other New Zealanders on here. Anyway I wonder if any of you have read the article regarding MUSAC and other student management systems in the InfoTech section of the Dominion last week. If you haven't and would like a copy email me off list. The article basicly states that the government has only accrediated one piece of software for use in schools and is spending money to switch schools to this new software. There is concern that the ministry is trying to force this single piece of software upon all schools. What I was wanting to know from the people on this list is: is there any interest at all in creating or modifying an open source student management system for New Zealand schools... So if you have any comments at all about this can you email me at raven_512 at hotmail.com Cheers Noel _________________________________________________________________ There's never been a better time to get Xtra JetStream @ http://xtra.co.nz/jetstream _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Mon Oct 18 12:49:38 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 07:49:38 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] can't access samba shares from winxp In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Add the server's info to the hosts file on the XP computers. I think it is in the c:\windows\system32\drivers\etc directory, but browse around if you can't find it. . . Syntax is like: this.is.ip.no full.server.name.org servername Example: 10.40.12.1 leopards.k12.ar.us leopards Do that for each server that computer will be required to connect to. Works for me, YMMV Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Sun, 17 Oct 2004, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > Dear Folks, > what do I need to do to have full access to samba shares from a > winxp computer? The win98 and win2k boxes have no problem finding the > shares by names set up in smb.conf, like, say "\\private\home". The winxp > pro can find the samba servers only by address and finds only the publicly > accessible stuff - nothing with user level authentication. This is the > case for both K12LTSP 3.1.2 and 4.1.0. It is rather annoying to users and > they annoy me in turn, unfortunately I am really hoplessly lost when it > comes to M$ setups. Thanks, julius > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From lsrpm at mts.net Mon Oct 18 14:47:44 2004 From: lsrpm at mts.net (Liam Marshall) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 09:47:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] my laptop in the lab Message-ID: <1098110864.23083.8.camel@server.ltsp> I have a reasonably well working lab setup with a ltsp server and 31 thin clients. I teach project images from my laptop which I boot into the network from the nic, effectively making my laptop a thin client. I also check my mail, etc while logged in as a thin client. My laptop, stand alone, is loaded with a dual boot windows XP (the evil empire) and a Fedora Core 1 installation. I check my mail while not connected to the LTSP as well. this leaves me with mail in two locations. I would like to consolidate the mail. and save stuff to my local hd so I can take it home to mark Is it possible to connect my Core 1 installation to the LTSP server and access the "shares" on it? Then I would not connect via LTSP but through that other way and still be able to show a screen to the kids similar to what they are looking at, and get files that I can "take home" on my local hard drive. opinions? Advice? From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Mon Oct 18 15:34:11 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 11:34:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] my laptop in the lab In-Reply-To: <1098110864.23083.8.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1098110864.23083.8.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <4173E273.4090906@cfl.rr.com> You are better off running an IMAP mail server and grabbing your pop mail from your provider with fetchmail, then serving it out over the internet via Secure IMAP (port 99x). Then all your mail will be available to you from anywhere on the internet, including drafts and sent items from any location. Liam Marshall wrote: >I have a reasonably well working lab setup with a ltsp server and 31 >thin clients. > >I teach project images from my laptop which I boot into the network from >the nic, effectively making my laptop a thin client. I also check my >mail, etc while logged in as a thin client. > >My laptop, stand alone, is loaded with a dual boot windows XP (the evil >empire) and a Fedora Core 1 installation. I check my mail while not >connected to the LTSP as well. > >this leaves me with mail in two locations. I would like to consolidate >the mail. and save stuff to my local hd so I can take it home to mark > >Is it possible to connect my Core 1 installation to the LTSP server and >access the "shares" on it? Then I would not connect via LTSP but >through that other way and still be able to show a screen to the kids >similar to what they are looking at, and get files that I can "take >home" on my local hard drive. > >opinions? Advice? > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > -- Brian Chase Email: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com From babaliciouse at yahoo.com Mon Oct 18 17:32:20 2004 From: babaliciouse at yahoo.com (xyz xyz) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 10:32:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Cannot excecute binary In-Reply-To: <20041018160017.98982733E7@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20041018173220.29268.qmail@web52909.mail.yahoo.com> Hi everyone Hopefully someone can help me here - i recently downloaded star office version 7 and am attempting to install. I keep getting [root at ltsp root]# ll total 150028 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1464 Jul 15 10:40 anaconda-ks.cfg drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4096 Aug 27 15:21 Desktop drwxr-xr-x 2 1006 wheel 4096 May 20 17:03 install_flash_player_7_linux -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 987452 Oct 18 09:52 install_flash_player_7_linux.tar.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 52504 Jul 15 10:40 install.log -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3684 Jul 15 10:40 install.log.syslog -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 9284358 Sep 8 11:52 linux-509.tar.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 275941 Sep 8 12:13 p125-ghemawat.pdf -rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 142824508 Oct 18 10:01 so-7-ga-bin-solsparc-en.bin [root at ltsp root]# ./so* bash: ./so-7-ga-bin-solsparc-en.bin: cannot execute binary file [root at ltsp root]# sh so* so-7-ga-bin-solsparc-en.bin: so-7-ga-bin-solsparc-en.bin: cannot execute binary file [root at ltsp root]# I have the permissions set to excecutable - what else might i be missing? Thanks Tan _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From les at futuresource.com Mon Oct 18 17:40:08 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 12:40:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] my laptop in the lab In-Reply-To: <1098110864.23083.8.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1098110864.23083.8.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <1098121207.21413.99.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 09:47, Liam Marshall wrote: > Is it possible to connect my Core 1 installation to the LTSP server and > access the "shares" on it? Then I would not connect via LTSP but > through that other way and still be able to show a screen to the kids > similar to what they are looking at, and get files that I can "take > home" on my local hard drive. > > opinions? Advice? One way would be to configure the laptop to boot standalone in text mode. Then, instead of network-booting and becoming a thin client you can type 'X -query server' to get the graphical login to the lab server where everything will work the same as before. However, from a terminal window you can ssh back to the laptop and run programs there. If you run evolution (or your normal mail client) that way, it will store the files on the laptop instead of the server. After you log out of the thin client session you may have to kill the X session with ctl-alt-backspace to stop the cycle of login screens and use 'startx' if you want to run a local desktop session. Alternatively, you can run your normal laptop X desktop but ssh to the server to start certain programs that you prefer to run there. However you won't get exactly the same menus and window manager as the other thin clients that way. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From lewis at pcc.com Mon Oct 18 17:31:55 2004 From: lewis at pcc.com (Lewis Holcroft) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 13:31:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] doing the pivot_root server not responding In-Reply-To: <1097931979.16065.16.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> References: <416ECEAD.2090906@criticalcontrol.com> <416EDEE9.5000300@criticalcontrol.com> <1097920794.4170f11a8d2d2@www.mumby.co.za> <200410161308.46109.klaus@astro.uio.no> <1097930935.417118b75f75b@www.mumby.co.za> <1097931979.16065.16.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> Message-ID: <9B7AF292-212B-11D9-B544-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> I have also had this problem. However the problem was not with the client but with the server. It was really inconsistent. After spending some time on the problem. Finally loaded RHES and called IBM. IBM do not support any other RH product on the machine platform I use. The problem is still not fixed. But IBM are tying to solve it now. It looks like it may be a firmware revision that is calling a bad memory address. I would also get kernel panics if I tried to move large data files between my eth0 and eth1 nics. memtest-86 shows errors. But this bug is only tickled some times. running diagnostics on the nic cards generated a memory error also. Lewis On Oct 16, 2004, at 9:06 AM, Timothy Legge wrote: > On Sat, 2004-10-16 at 09:48, dean at mumby.co.za wrote: > >> Cards on the client or the server , the server has an intel 100 and >> 1000 I have >> disbaled the 100 and I am using the 1000 , the client has rtl8139 >> which was >> working when 3.1.2 was loaded as well as the server , same >> configration. I will >> try using the 100 as eth0 and see if it helps. >> >> Thanks for the help. > > It is an issue with the card on the client. Or more specifically how > it > interacts with the kernel that is downloaded. I have seen this on a > number of occasions and the only way I have found around it is to use a > different kernel. I don't know if more that one kernel is available > for > ltsp 4.x but it is worth a try. A while back, I used the exact same > kernel source and config that Jim McQuillan used for an ltsp kernel. > The version I compiled worked for me but his did not. I don't know > why. > > Moving the client's card to a different slot might work but I have > never > tried it. > > Tim Legge > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From les at futuresource.com Mon Oct 18 18:28:04 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 13:28:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Cannot excecute binary In-Reply-To: <20041018173220.29268.qmail@web52909.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041018173220.29268.qmail@web52909.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1098124083.23720.10.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 12:32, xyz xyz wrote: > Hi everyone > Hopefully someone can help me here - i recently > downloaded star office version 7 and am attempting to > install. I keep getting > [root at ltsp root]# ./so* > bash: ./so-7-ga-bin-solsparc-en.bin: cannot execute > binary file > [root at ltsp root]# sh so* > so-7-ga-bin-solsparc-en.bin: > so-7-ga-bin-solsparc-en.bin: cannot execute binary > file > [root at ltsp root]# > > > I have the permissions set to excecutable - what else > might i be missing? I think you downloaded the Sun Solaris/Sparc version. Are you trying to run this on a Linx/x86 machine? --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From robark at telus.net Mon Oct 18 19:33:35 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 12:33:35 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Woe is me: Onboard SCSI/RAID Controller In-Reply-To: <4171E370.3050905@redeemer.qld.edu.au> References: <416BC0D7.1040504@redeemer.qld.edu.au> <1097605166.416c202e3473b@webmail.telus.net> <4171E370.3050905@redeemer.qld.edu.au> Message-ID: <1098128015.41741a8f25eef@webmail.telus.net> Quoting Debbie Schiel : > Hi Robert, That was very good news, very encouraging, and yes it did > help enormously. > > I tried installing K12ltsp 4.1.0 with no luck. > Then I tried 4.1.1 as suggested but same result. Wow that's surprising. I don't know why kernel 2.6.5 would not work. 4.1.x should work out of the box. > I tried a 'linux dd' with the aic79xx driver from the Gibbs website - > nope. Then I tried 3.1.2 which you said you have no problems with and... Which version of k12ltsp did you try the dud disk with before 3.1.2? > SUCCESS, it installed! I must admit I also had a lot of over-the-phone > help from a contact down in ACT. Did you use the dud disk with 3.1.2? > > However, now I have a version of K12 that I am unfamiliar with and I > can't connect it to the net, or to my demo clients, plus my fix for > adding a usb key (which worked on 4.1.0) doesn't work... *sigh* I don't know how to get usb devices working but connecting to the net should be completly automatic. Just make sure your network cables are plugged in correctly to the server (eth0/ eth1) and if you have a proxy server in the school make sure you put that info into the browser. > > So on one hand I have a sooper dopper G700 with 3.1.2 and I'm not > getting anywhere with it (yet!); and on the other hand I have my demo > PIII with 4.1.0 that can support a couple clients but is as slow as... > Let me know how things go. I may still be able to help. Robert Arkiletian From accessys at smart.net Mon Oct 18 19:55:41 2004 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 15:55:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Intrigue !!!! In-Reply-To: <41706580.3030303@netscape.net> References: <41706580.3030303@netscape.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 15 Oct 2004, norbert wrote: they were one heck of a salesperson,!!! Bob > I know that this is off topic but I had to share this "gem"...... > > The school board into which we have had fantastic success with K12ltsp > in the schools has "announced" that they will replace at their cost the > teacher computers, most of which are circa P-I !!!, with new Windows > thin-clients. > > Now the "kicker", after arguing with us that their strategic direction > was to centralize all the servers, hence why the board was NOT > supporting K12LTSP deployment, the board is offering to set-up & install > locally SUN Servers to run the Windows thin-clients. > > First comment - how in hell do you run a Windows thin-client from a SUN > server and second why would anyone in their right mind agree to this. > > enjoy > norbert > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG Tue Oct 19 02:55:12 2004 From: HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Burroughs, Henry) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 22:55:12 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Changing OpenOffice Default Font Message-ID: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D78420073F41@hhpmail.MEDIA.LOCAL> I'm looking to globaly change the default font for OpenOffice (ie: Not BitStream Vera...) Anyone know what file(s) to modify? Thanks! Henry Burroughs Technology Director Hilton Head Preparatory School www.hhprep.org From HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG Tue Oct 19 02:58:35 2004 From: HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Burroughs, Henry) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 22:58:35 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Changing default web browser (globaly) Message-ID: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D78420073F42@hhpmail.MEDIA.LOCAL> You can tell I'm on a roll tonight. ;-) What do I need to modify so that when the user clicks on the "web-browser" button on the GNOME panel for it to launch an alternate browser (ie: Firefox) instead of mozilla. I basically know how the gnome-default-applications-properties program modifies settings for the user, but where are the global/default settings? I'm trying to get it switched over before I have everyone pile onto the new server. Have a great evening! Henry Burroughs Technology Director Hilton Head Preparatory School www.hhprep.org From robark at telus.net Tue Oct 19 04:06:03 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 21:06:03 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Changing default web browser (globaly) In-Reply-To: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D78420073F42@hhpmail.MEDIA.LOCAL> References: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D78420073F42@hhpmail.MEDIA.LOCAL> Message-ID: <417492AB.6080401@telus.net> Burroughs, Henry wrote: >You can tell I'm on a roll tonight. ;-) What do I need to modify so that when the user clicks on the "web-browser" button on the GNOME panel for it to launch an alternate browser (ie: Firefox) instead of mozilla. I basically know how the gnome-default-applications-properties program modifies settings for the user, but where are the global/default settings? I'm trying to get it switched over before I have everyone pile onto the new server. Have a great evening! > > > I tried to do it like this: 1) Installed Firefox in /usr/local/firefox-installer/ 2) Then in /usr/bin cp mozilla mozilla142 (so as not to lose it) 3) rm mozilla 4) ln -s /usr/local/firefox-installer/firefox mozilla then tried to launch firefox with original mozilla icon and I got an error saying run-mozilla.sh could not execute mozilla-bin No joy. So then I just created a launcher on my root gnome desktop for firefox and pushed it to all users. I told my class to import the netscape/mozilla settings for bookmarks and the manual proxy setting the first time it runs. But for some reason firefox seemed to think that every user was already running firefox and asked for another id name other than default. In the meantime my server (dual xeon) got hammered with over 80% cpu util. (and it was a small class of 10) Sadly, we went back to Moz 1.4.2. Hoping Eric will have the updated Mozilla packages for 3.1.2 in the yum repository soon. Robert Arkiletian From kmeyer at blarg.net Tue Oct 19 05:36:35 2004 From: kmeyer at blarg.net (Ken Meyer) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 22:36:35 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Oracle CEO Ellison Invents the LTS Message-ID: OK, which one of you guys is behind this? Ken Meyer ---------------------------------------- Oracle CEO Ellison: Don't tug on Superman's cape By Dave Kearns Network World, 10/18/04 Never underestimate Larry Ellison. Former PeopleSoft CEO Craig Conway is the most recent of those vanquished by the rogue from Redwood City. But there's another triumph coming that might be sweeter for Ellison if only because other people thought he stumbled badly a half-dozen years ago when he might have been ahead of his time. In 1995, Ellison boldly told the world that he would take on the Microsoft monolith with a new breed of computing device, dubbed the network computer. This would be a low-power, stripped-down hardware platform running a low-power, stripped-down operating system with a Web browser as its user interface. Ellison touted a vision of a $500 computing device on everyone's desktop. From this idea was born the entire application service provider model of computing in which users would no longer purchase software licenses, but would rent or lease the services as they needed them delivered via the browser on their network computer. The ideas garnered lots of support in the mid 1990s but eventually floundered as people wanted more power on their desktop. With prices on standard PCs dropping below $1,000, the network computer looked less desirable. We'd thought Microsoft had won that war, but it might have only won a battle. A couple of weeks ago, at the Fall Processor Forum conference in San Jose, Bob Bailey, CEO of chip maker PMC-Sierra, announced a new consortium of chip makers aligned with Asian (primarily Chinese) manufacturers that would re-launch the network computer, dubbed by some the "open source" computer. One major difference with the new network computer would be price - Bailey estimated a retail target of $150. Not only would it cost less, but it also would do more. ****************************** =>> The new network computer would run an almost free distribution of Linux coupled with free or low-cost open source applications on top of a commoditized hardware platform. <<= Server-based computing is also helped by today's larger, less-expensive bandwidth than that available in 1995. The new network computer's success isn't guaranteed, of course, but =>> the genesis was Ellison's idea. <<= ****************************** And to paraphrase the late Jim Croce: Don't tug on Superman's cape Don't spit into the wind Don't pull the mask off the Lone Ranger And you don't mess with Larry Ellison From kmeyer at blarg.net Tue Oct 19 05:36:36 2004 From: kmeyer at blarg.net (Ken Meyer) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 22:36:36 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] In-Reply-To: <40D4A7DF.5000808@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: Don't snicker. When Seattle Wireless (www.seattlewireless.NET) announced that it intended to build a MAN (Met Area Net, yes?), there was at least one serious, formal protest of the name. Ken Meyer -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Shawn Powers Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 1:54 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] troy banther wrote: > Man Linux is kick @$$. Can I hear an AMEN... ;) Not to be sexist, I'm sure Woman Linux is kick @$$ too. :D hehehe -Shawn _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Tue Oct 19 07:32:00 2004 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 08:32:00 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] NIS user authenticated OK but nothing works In-Reply-To: <1098046856.804.28.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <1098046856.804.28.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <200410190832.00964.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> Greetings and Felicitaions we have an NIS problem which would appear from googling on various news groups that this has been an FAQ. Shame it isn't a frequently answered question. :-) I know that there a few NIS users in the LTSP community, so perhaps some one out there has seen this or a similar problem before. We are running FC1, ypserv --version ypse v (ypserv) 2.8 ypbind --version ypbind (ypbind-mt) 1.12 I setup NIS and users authenicate up to a point (ie they can login) but once they are logged in, they cannot access very much. It would appear that this is because their uid is not being translated to a uname. Here is a short terminal capture session (on a yp client) :- [I have no name!@bart ahmeo04]$ id uid=590 gid=100(users) groups=100(users) [I have no name!@bart ahmeo04]$ ypmatch chris group chris:x:500: [I have no name!@bart ahmeo04]$ ypmatch 590 passwd.byuid Can't match key 590 in map passwd.byuid. Reason: Internal NIS error [I have no name!@bart ahmeo04]$ yppasswd yppasswd: can't find the master ypserver: Internal NIS error [I have no name!@bart ahmeo04]$ Note especially the "I have no name!"; this should display uname. If I am logged in as root, the ypmatch command above works fine :- [root at bart root]# ypmatch 590 passwd.byuid ahmeo04:eq8ubhpZrFqSU:590:100:Ahmed Omar:/home/LISA/ahmeo04:/bin/bash [root at bart root]# echo $PS1 [\u@\h \W]\$ When I ran ypserv in debug mode, the following messages were displayed in response to the ypmatch command above (as the NIS authenticated user) :- ypproc_match(): [From: 192.168.0.7:32955] domainname = "hgs.nis" mapname = "passwd.byname" keydat = "ahmeo04" connect from 192.168.0.7 -> Ignored (not a valid source host) I have used the makedbm command to dump out the contents of the db files (on the server) and can see all of the data as it should be. So in a nutshell, only root is to be able to resolve the passwd maps through yp. No regular user has access to them and as a consequence no one can change their password or indeed access any application that needs to resolve a uid to a uname. (eg open office, abiword, koffice, etc, etc). If anyone knows how to mend this, would they please let me know? -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Tue Oct 19 08:00:46 2004 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 09:00:46 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Changing default web browser (globaly) In-Reply-To: <417492AB.6080401@telus.net> References: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D78420073F42@hhpmail.MEDIA.LOCAL> <417492AB.6080401@telus.net> Message-ID: <200410190900.47407.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> On Tuesday 19 Oct 2004 5:06 am, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > Burroughs, Henry wrote: > >You can tell I'm on a roll tonight. ;-) What do I need to modify so that > > when the user clicks on the "web-browser" button on the GNOME panel for > > it to launch an alternate browser (ie: Firefox) instead of mozilla. I > > basically know how the gnome-default-applications-properties program > > modifies settings for the user, but where are the global/default > > settings? I'm trying to get it switched over before I have everyone pile > > onto the new server. Have a great evening! > > I tried to do it like this: > > 1) Installed Firefox in /usr/local/firefox-installer/ Dunno about gnome but I did something similar under kde; in our case we wanted the users to run opera rather than mozilla. Under kde, clicking the mozilla icon runs the command "mozilla %u". mozilla is /usr/bin/mozilla, which is the bash script which lauches the brower. I changed this to be a two line script :- #!/bin/bash /usr/bin/opera if I wanted to do this for firefox, at our site it would be :- #!/bin/bash /opt/firefox/firefox voila, the users click on the mozilla icon, and opera appears (and the users look very confused!) -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From baci at harborcityschool.org Fri Oct 15 20:38:22 2004 From: baci at harborcityschool.org (Chris Bacigalupo) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 15:38:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] good basic complier/editor In-Reply-To: <8e8f7f4904101511575ba70574@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000b01c4b2f6$e9c6b7f0$b605000a@ebaci> Thanks Colin! >>baci -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Colin Applegate Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 1:58 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] good basic complier/editor Baci, I googled for your request and found the following url: http://www.hotfeet.ch/~gemi/LDT/lang_basic.html Basic intrepreters/compilers ranging from AppleScript support to M$'s MBasic. I hope this helps! -Colin Applegate Student Administrator LTSP Lab Yorktown High School On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:03:38 -0500, Chris Bacigalupo wrote: > Anyone have a lead on a good Linux compliant basic complier and/or > editor > > >>baci > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au Tue Oct 19 09:33:51 2004 From: debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au (Debbie Schiel) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 19:33:51 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Woe is me: Onboard SCSI/RAID Controller In-Reply-To: <1098128015.41741a8f25eef@webmail.telus.net> References: <416BC0D7.1040504@redeemer.qld.edu.au> <1097605166.416c202e3473b@webmail.telus.net> <4171E370.3050905@redeemer.qld.edu.au> <1098128015.41741a8f25eef@webmail.telus.net> Message-ID: <4174DF7F.2070608@redeemer.qld.edu.au> Robert Arkiletian wrote: > Quoting Debbie Schiel : > >>Hi Robert, That was very good news, very encouraging, and yes it did >>help enormously. >> >>I tried installing K12ltsp 4.1.0 with no luck. >>Then I tried 4.1.1 as suggested but same result. > > Wow that's surprising. I don't know why kernel 2.6.5 would not work. 4.1.x > should work out of the box. It's probably something I did or overlooked. I will have another go at it though after your comment. >>I tried a 'linux dd' with the aic79xx driver from the Gibbs website - >>nope. Then I tried 3.1.2 which you said you have no problems with and... > > Which version of k12ltsp did you try the dud disk with before 3.1.2? > I tried my original 4.1.0 and then the 4.1.1 >>SUCCESS, it installed! I must admit I also had a lot of over-the-phone >>help from a contact down in ACT. > > Did you use the dud disk with 3.1.2? > No I didn't need it with 3.1.2. RH installed the driver all automatically. >>However, now I have a version of K12 that I am unfamiliar with and I >>can't connect it to the net, or to my demo clients, plus my fix for >>adding a usb key (which worked on 4.1.0) doesn't work... *sigh* > > I don't know how to get usb devices working but connecting to the net should be > completly automatic. Just make sure your network cables are plugged in correctly > to the server (eth0/ eth1) and if you have a proxy server in the school make > sure you put that info into the browser. > Yes - problems there - The hardware browser picks up only ONE network card but I know there are two... >>So on one hand I have a sooper dopper G700 with 3.1.2 and I'm not >>getting anywhere with it (yet!); and on the other hand I have my demo >>PIII with 4.1.0 that can support a couple clients but is as slow as... >> Oh Update! Yesterday I had the test PIII server supporting 4 clients, using just IceWM and Firefox, with no problems at all, for my teachers' demo/workshop of our new web-based php reporting database (hand-coded by yours truely!) I was sooooo pleased. > Let me know how things go. I may still be able to help. > Thanks Robert. I think it's fantastic that everyone has so much advice and expertize to offer and does so gladly. We will be flying a Redhat/School Networks guru (aka Damien Clarke) up from Canberra (miles away and in another state!) next month to help us out for a couple days. Then I think I should do some formal training, and THEN... start spreading the 'gospel' of K12LTSP (because it is really good news!) Best regards, Debbie -- http://www.redeemer.qld.edu.au/ From lewis at pcc.com Tue Oct 19 11:46:36 2004 From: lewis at pcc.com (Lewis Holcroft) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 07:46:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] NIS user authenticated OK but nothing works In-Reply-To: <200410190832.00964.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> References: <1098046856.804.28.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <200410190832.00964.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> Message-ID: <8834DA9C-21C4-11D9-A88A-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> Martin, Is your /var/yp/securenets file setup to allow access to the client subnets? Just a guess. I'm new to this NIS stuff and this is the best I could come up with pre coffee. Lewis On Oct 19, 2004, at 3:32 AM, Martin Woolley wrote: > Greetings and Felicitaions > > we have an NIS problem which would appear from googling on various > news groups > that this has been an FAQ. Shame it isn't a frequently answered > question. > :-) I know that there a few NIS users in the LTSP community, so > perhaps some > one out there has seen this or a similar problem before. > > We are running FC1, ypserv --version ypse > v (ypserv) 2.8 ypbind --version ypbind (ypbind-mt) 1.12 I setup NIS > and users > authenicate up to a point (ie they can login) but once they are logged > in, > they cannot access very much. It would appear that this is because > their uid > is not being translated to a uname. Here is a short terminal capture > session > (on a yp client) :- > > [I have no name!@bart ahmeo04]$ id > uid=590 gid=100(users) groups=100(users) > [I have no name!@bart ahmeo04]$ ypmatch chris group > chris:x:500: > [I have no name!@bart ahmeo04]$ ypmatch 590 passwd.byuid > Can't match key 590 in map passwd.byuid. Reason: Internal NIS error > [I have no name!@bart ahmeo04]$ yppasswd > yppasswd: can't find the master ypserver: Internal NIS error > [I have no name!@bart ahmeo04]$ > > Note especially the "I have no name!"; this should display uname. If I > am > logged in as root, the ypmatch command above works fine :- > > [root at bart root]# ypmatch 590 passwd.byuid > ahmeo04:eq8ubhpZrFqSU:590:100:Ahmed Omar:/home/LISA/ahmeo04:/bin/bash > [root at bart root]# echo $PS1 > [\u@\h \W]\$ > > When I ran ypserv in debug mode, the following messages were displayed > in > response to the ypmatch command above (as the NIS authenticated user) > :- > > ypproc_match(): [From: 192.168.0.7:32955] > domainname = "hgs.nis" > mapname = "passwd.byname" > keydat = "ahmeo04" > connect from 192.168.0.7 > -> Ignored (not a valid source host) > > I have used the makedbm command to dump out the contents of the db > files (on > the server) and can see all of the data as it should be. So in a > nutshell, > only root is to be able to resolve the passwd maps through yp. No > regular > user has access to them and as a consequence no one can change their > password > or indeed access any application that needs to resolve a uid to a > uname. (eg > open office, abiword, koffice, etc, etc). > > If anyone knows how to mend this, would they please let me know? > -- > Regards > Martin Woolley > ICT Support > Handsworth Grammar School > Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna > > > > ************************************************************* > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential > and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity > to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email > in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org > > The views expressed within this email are those of the > individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation > ************************************************************* > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Oct 19 12:30:08 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 08:30:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <417508D0.5000707@cmosnetworks.com> That's one reason why I no longer live in Seattle; too politically correct for me. MAN does indeed stand for Metropolitan Area Network and has for many, many years. And yes, GNU/Linux does rock, as does Free Software in general. GNU/Linux's cousin, NetBSD, set the new LAN speed record--not on the experimental Internet2, but on the production "Internet1"--a few months ago, using the new TenGig-E NICs on both ends. I'm fairly sure that GNU/Linux could do something similar with a few sysadmin tuning tweaks. Try replicating that kind of scalability with Windows. If this isn't an excellent case for the technical merits of Free Software, then perhaps I don't know what is. http://www.itweek.co.uk/news/1156035 --TP Ken Meyer wrote: >Don't snicker. When Seattle Wireless (www.seattlewireless.NET) announced >that it intended to build a MAN (Met Area Net, yes?), there was at least one >serious, formal protest of the name. > >Ken Meyer > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On >Behalf Of Shawn Powers >Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 1:54 PM >To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] > >troy banther wrote: > > > >>Man Linux is kick @$$. >> >> > >Can I hear an AMEN... ;) > >Not to be sexist, I'm sure Woman Linux is kick @$$ too. :D > >hehehe >-Shawn > > From lsrpm at mts.net Tue Oct 19 13:56:06 2004 From: lsrpm at mts.net (Liam Marshall) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 08:56:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] StarOffice Net installation Message-ID: <1098194166.22180.4.camel@server.ltsp> I have been having some issues with openoffice. I installed staroffice 7 with the -net option which of course installs a network version into the opt folder by default. My trouble is I have something like 600+ users, more than half of them elementary students. I created the users and their home directories with batch scripts. I really don't want to try and walk them through the little setup script, with its accompanying questions. the smallest can't handle it, and it leaves alot of room for error, no need to register/etc. is there a way to dump a default staroffice workstation setup in every home directory so it will work? Please Please help From webmaster at vol.org Tue Oct 19 14:16:50 2004 From: webmaster at vol.org (george kocke) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 09:16:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] StarOffice Net installation In-Reply-To: <1098194166.22180.4.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1098194166.22180.4.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <1098195410.15924.5.camel@tardis.london.volnet> On Tue, 2004-10-19 at 08:56, Liam Marshall wrote: > is there a way to dump a default staroffice workstation setup in every > home directory so it will work? check out these scripts (mainly the last one): http://www.vol.org/vol/school/freedom/ltsp_scripts/ -- george kocke ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ From dalen at czexan.net Tue Oct 19 14:40:09 2004 From: dalen at czexan.net (dale) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 09:40:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT building to building ethernet wiring Message-ID: <41752749.30903@czexan.net> Hello, I wanted to get a wiring opinion from the list. I need to extend a network from a school office to a few adjacent buildings. Each building will have 5 or less workstations or LTS clients. The lengths are less than 30m. I am considering running cat5e/6 thru metal conduit -vs- fiber. I am concerned with ground potential between buildings and cable loss etc -vs- cat2fiber and fiber2cat costs. Can I try it with cat, or should I just use fiber? Thanks, Dale From jam at mcquil.com Tue Oct 19 14:52:22 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:52:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] OT building to building ethernet wiring In-Reply-To: <41752749.30903@czexan.net> References: <41752749.30903@czexan.net> Message-ID: Dale, I had a really bad experience with cabling between buildings. We used "direct buriable cabling", and ran it under-ground, for about 50 feet. Everytime there was a thunderstorm in the area, they'd lose some piece of equipment. Seemed like a lightening strike anywhere in the city would fry something. That was about 15 years ago, when fiber was an extremely expensive option, and wireless didn't exist. Maybe it would be different in conduit. I dunno. I'd suggest thinking seriously about fiber or wireless. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Tue, 19 Oct 2004, dale wrote: > Hello, > I wanted to get a wiring opinion from the list. I need to extend a > network from a school office to a few adjacent buildings. Each building will > have 5 or less workstations or LTS clients. The lengths are less than 30m. I > am considering running cat5e/6 thru metal conduit -vs- fiber. I am concerned > with ground potential between buildings and cable loss etc -vs- cat2fiber and > fiber2cat costs. Can I try it with cat, or should I just use fiber? > > Thanks, > > Dale > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From mwilliams at haywood.k12.nc.us Tue Oct 19 14:50:06 2004 From: mwilliams at haywood.k12.nc.us (Michael Williams) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:50:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] OT building to building ethernet wiring In-Reply-To: <41752749.30903@czexan.net> References: <41752749.30903@czexan.net> Message-ID: <33121.68.115.172.62.1098197406.squirrel@68.115.172.62> > Hello, > I wanted to get a wiring opinion from the list. I need to extend a > network from a school office to a few adjacent buildings. Each building > will have 5 or less workstations or LTS clients. The lengths are less > than 30m. I am considering running cat5e/6 thru metal conduit -vs- > fiber. I am concerned with ground potential between buildings and cable > loss etc -vs- cat2fiber and fiber2cat costs. Can I try it with cat, or > should I just use fiber? We use fiber on all runs like this, for the same reasons you list, ground potential and the like. Michael Michael Williams Haywood County Schools Technology Director Instructional Technology http://www.haywood.k12.nc.us (828) 627-8314 From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Oct 19 15:29:19 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:29:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT building to building ethernet wiring In-Reply-To: <41752749.30903@czexan.net> Message-ID: <001501c4b5f0$6711ba10$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > Hello, > I wanted to get a wiring opinion from the list. I need > to extend a > network from a school office to a few adjacent buildings. > Each building > will have 5 or less workstations or LTS clients. The lengths > are less > than 30m. I am considering running cat5e/6 thru metal conduit -vs- > fiber. I am concerned with ground potential between > buildings and cable > loss etc -vs- cat2fiber and fiber2cat costs. Can I try it > with cat, or > should I just use fiber? I assume cost is an issue or this would be a no brainer (fiber). Since you are concerned about cost I believe the proper way would be to run this inside a conduit (I think the standard is #80 plastic) with Shielded Twisted Pair cable and ground the cable on both ends (to a standard electrical ground, not the patch panel). This should help prevent noise problems and electrical surges. But if you have the money definitely go fiber, and pull it in a separate conduit to avoid future damage when other cables are pulled between buildings. This will also give you room to grow bandwidth wise in the future since fiber is virtually unlimited in its potential. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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From lsrpm at mts.net Tue Oct 19 15:27:11 2004 From: lsrpm at mts.net (Liam Marshall) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:27:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] StarOffice Net installation In-Reply-To: <1098195410.15924.5.camel@tardis.london.volnet> References: <1098194166.22180.4.camel@server.ltsp> <1098195410.15924.5.camel@tardis.london.volnet> Message-ID: <1098199631.3760.2.camel@server.ltsp> On Tue, 2004-10-19 at 09:16, george kocke wrote: > On Tue, 2004-10-19 at 08:56, Liam Marshall wrote: > > > is there a way to dump a default staroffice workstation setup in every > > home directory so it will work? > > check out these scripts (mainly the last one): > > http://www.vol.org/vol/school/freedom/ltsp_scripts/ > I appreciate the point to the scripts, but I don't quite understand how to modify them to fit my situation involving staroffice. Also did you set up a default user and install all these programs that you use, and then not touch it, except for these scripts? I am afraid I do not know enough of the programming language to modify this script to fit me From petre at maltzen.net Tue Oct 19 15:31:08 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:31:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT building to building ethernet wiring In-Reply-To: <33121.68.115.172.62.1098197406.squirrel@68.115.172.62> References: <41752749.30903@czexan.net> <33121.68.115.172.62.1098197406.squirrel@68.115.172.62> Message-ID: <4175333C.1060607@maltzen.net> If you use fiber, be sure to run it through a conduit, just to prevent an errant shovel from ruining your day in the future. Also, be sure you bury a wire or some sort of metal with the fiber so that you can find it again in a few years. I buried a fiber cable some years ago, and it was such a short run we thought there was no need for a tracer. Then the local power company decided they wanted to change some of their runs, a side effect being they wanted to go right across where the fiber line was and they needed to know where to not dig. Fortunately, we had used a plastic conduit for the fiber, mostly to avoid the afore mentioned errant shovel, and were able to push a copper ground wire through the conduit to help us locate it then and in the future. Petre Michael Williams wrote: >>Hello, >> I wanted to get a wiring opinion from the list. I need to extend a >>network from a school office to a few adjacent buildings. Each building >>will have 5 or less workstations or LTS clients. The lengths are less >>than 30m. I am considering running cat5e/6 thru metal conduit -vs- >>fiber. I am concerned with ground potential between buildings and cable >>loss etc -vs- cat2fiber and fiber2cat costs. Can I try it with cat, or >>should I just use fiber? > > > > We use fiber on all runs like this, for the same reasons you list, ground > potential and the like. > > Michael > > Michael Williams Haywood County Schools > Technology Director Instructional Technology > http://www.haywood.k12.nc.us (828) 627-8314 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tue Oct 19 15:37:46 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:37:46 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] OT building to building ethernet wiring In-Reply-To: <001501c4b5f0$6711ba10$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001501c4b5f0$6711ba10$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: As an experienced lightning survivor (previously non-survivor) It would not even be up for consideration to use anything except fiber between buildings. Unless you wanted to use wireless (about the same price but a serious performance hit) Don't even consider using Cat5e between buildings, or any other conductive method. You have been advised. . . YMMV I even have afiber running between two different parts of the same building here to safeguard against this very problem. One end of the building (the old part) is on it's own power company transfromer and the other end (a newer part) is on it's own power company transformer but even though they are in the same building, they are not connected by copper in any way. In fact, the electricians who wired the building will not even run power from one section to the other so that right there tells you something about it. . . Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Tue, 19 Oct 2004, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > Hello, > > I wanted to get a wiring opinion from the list. I need > > to extend a > > network from a school office to a few adjacent buildings. > > Each building > > will have 5 or less workstations or LTS clients. The lengths > > are less > > than 30m. I am considering running cat5e/6 thru metal conduit -vs- > > fiber. I am concerned with ground potential between > > buildings and cable > > loss etc -vs- cat2fiber and fiber2cat costs. Can I try it > > with cat, or > > should I just use fiber? > > I assume cost is an issue or this would be a no brainer (fiber). Since > you are concerned about cost I believe the proper way would be to run > this inside a conduit (I think the standard is #80 plastic) with > Shielded Twisted Pair cable and ground the cable on both ends (to a > standard electrical ground, not the patch panel). This should help > prevent noise problems and electrical surges. But if you have the money > definitely go fiber, and pull it in a separate conduit to avoid future > damage when other cables are pulled between buildings. This will also > give you room to grow bandwidth wise in the future since fiber is > virtually unlimited in its potential. > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.778 / Virus Database: 525 - Release Date: 10/15/2004 > > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tue Oct 19 15:39:32 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:39:32 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] OT building to building ethernet wiring In-Reply-To: <4175333C.1060607@maltzen.net> References: <41752749.30903@czexan.net> <33121.68.115.172.62.1098197406.squirrel@68.115.172.62> <4175333C.1060607@maltzen.net> Message-ID: If you do run fiber in a conduit (hope you do!) and run a wire with it for a tracer, DO NOT connect the tracer to anything at either end! Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Tue, 19 Oct 2004, Petre Scheie wrote: > If you use fiber, be sure to run it through a conduit, just to prevent an errant > shovel from ruining your day in the future. Also, be sure you bury a wire or > some sort of metal with the fiber so that you can find it again in a few years. > I buried a fiber cable some years ago, and it was such a short run we thought > there was no need for a tracer. Then the local power company decided they > wanted to change some of their runs, a side effect being they wanted to go right > across where the fiber line was and they needed to know where to not dig. > Fortunately, we had used a plastic conduit for the fiber, mostly to avoid the > afore mentioned errant shovel, and were able to push a copper ground wire > through the conduit to help us locate it then and in the future. > > Petre > > Michael Williams wrote: > >>Hello, > >> I wanted to get a wiring opinion from the list. I need to extend a > >>network from a school office to a few adjacent buildings. Each building > >>will have 5 or less workstations or LTS clients. The lengths are less > >>than 30m. I am considering running cat5e/6 thru metal conduit -vs- > >>fiber. I am concerned with ground potential between buildings and cable > >>loss etc -vs- cat2fiber and fiber2cat costs. Can I try it with cat, or > >>should I just use fiber? > > > > > > > > We use fiber on all runs like this, for the same reasons you list, ground > > potential and the like. > > > > Michael > > > > Michael Williams Haywood County Schools > > Technology Director Instructional Technology > > http://www.haywood.k12.nc.us (828) 627-8314 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dalen at czexan.net Tue Oct 19 15:47:50 2004 From: dalen at czexan.net (dale) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:47:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT building to building ethernet wiring In-Reply-To: <33121.68.115.172.62.1098197406.squirrel@68.115.172.62> References: <41752749.30903@czexan.net> <33121.68.115.172.62.1098197406.squirrel@68.115.172.62> Message-ID: <41753726.4090502@czexan.net> Michael Williams wrote: >>Hello, >> I wanted to get a wiring opinion from the list. I need to extend a >>network from a school office to a few adjacent buildings. Each building >>will have 5 or less workstations or LTS clients. The lengths are less >>than 30m. I am considering running cat5e/6 thru metal conduit -vs- >>fiber. I am concerned with ground potential between buildings and cable >>loss etc -vs- cat2fiber and fiber2cat costs. Can I try it with cat, or >>should I just use fiber? > We use fiber on all runs like this, for the same reasons you list, ground > potential and the like. > > Michael Thanks everyone for all the replies! I think I will only consider fiber now. I found 100TX-100FX converters for ~=$150 at http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=10011071&loc=101&sp=1 Now I need to look at cable prices. Does this media converter sound like a resonable option? Also, for the buried cable issues brought up by others, this will be run in a seperate conduit under the roof of a covered metal walkway between buildings. Thanks, Dale From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Oct 19 16:12:17 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 11:12:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT building to building ethernet wiring In-Reply-To: <41753726.4090502@czexan.net> Message-ID: <001601c4b5f6$67ab0520$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > Thanks everyone for all the replies! I think I will only > consider fiber > now. I found 100TX-100FX converters for ~=$150 at > http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=10011071&loc=101&sp=1 > Now I need to look at cable prices. Does this media converter sound > like a resonable option? Also, for the buried cable issues > brought up > by others, this will be run in a seperate conduit under the roof of a > covered metal walkway between buildings. We use 100TX-100FX media converters all over the campus here. I believe you are good for 500m over multi-mode fiber with them. Works without a hitch for us. Doesn't sound like you are talking about much data between each building so 100MB should work fine. We actually have one building with about 100 computers under this same configuration without any complaints (only one who complains is me). --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.778 / Virus Database: 525 - Release Date: 10/15/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From webmaster at vol.org Tue Oct 19 16:11:25 2004 From: webmaster at vol.org (george kocke) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 11:11:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] StarOffice Net installation In-Reply-To: <1098199631.3760.2.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1098194166.22180.4.camel@server.ltsp> <1098195410.15924.5.camel@tardis.london.volnet> <1098199631.3760.2.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <1098202285.15924.17.camel@tardis.london.volnet> On Tue, 2004-10-19 at 10:27, Liam Marshall wrote: > I appreciate the point to the scripts, but I don't quite understand how > to modify them to fit my situation involving staroffice. > Also did you set up a default user and install all these programs that > you use, and then not touch it, except for these scripts? Yes, I have a user called "golden" that I use to set up programs like OpenOffice, Mozilla, etc. The last script on that page is the GDM default login script. Basically, when a user logs in, it checks for the existence of the .soffice directory in that user's home directory. If it is not there, the script copies it from /home/golden/.soffice to the user's home directory. It also changes ownership of the .soffice directory tree and changes the string "golden" to the username of the user wherever it finds it. This script does the same for other programs such as Mozilla. The other scripts (golduser, goldmember) allow me to remove the .soffice (and .mozilla, etc.) directories from users or entire groups so that they'll get the current version at login. In addition, if users discover that OpenOffice or Mozilla are not running properly, they can "uninstall" them by a menu option that deletes .soffice or .mozilla depending on the script run. The software will get "reinstalled" the next time they log in. There may be better ways of doing this, but my scripts work for me. -- george kocke ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ From lsrpm at mts.net Tue Oct 19 17:22:54 2004 From: lsrpm at mts.net (Liam Marshall) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 12:22:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] StarOffice Net installation In-Reply-To: <1098202285.15924.17.camel@tardis.london.volnet> References: <1098194166.22180.4.camel@server.ltsp> <1098195410.15924.5.camel@tardis.london.volnet> <1098199631.3760.2.camel@server.ltsp> <1098202285.15924.17.camel@tardis.london.volnet> Message-ID: <1098206574.3760.7.camel@server.ltsp> On Tue, 2004-10-19 at 11:11, george kocke wrote: > On Tue, 2004-10-19 at 10:27, Liam Marshall wrote: > snip > The last script on that page is the GDM default login script. Basically, > when a user logs in, it checks for the existence of the .soffice > directory in that user's home directory. If it is not there, the script > copies it from /home/golden/.soffice to the user's home directory. It > also changes ownership of the .soffice directory tree and changes the > string "golden" to the username of the user wherever it finds it. This > script does the same for other programs such as Mozilla. > I am sorry, but I don't see a reference in that script to staroffice. (maybe I am blind) I see openoffice, mozilla, acrobat, etc, but not soffice. I don't understand bash enough to translate the needed changes from openoffice to soffice. > The other scripts (golduser, goldmember) allow me to remove the .soffice > (and .mozilla, etc.) directories from users or entire groups so that > they'll get the current version at login. > > In addition, if users discover that OpenOffice or Mozilla are not > running properly, they can "uninstall" them by a menu option that > deletes .soffice or .mozilla depending on the script run. The software > will get "reinstalled" the next time they log in. > > There may be better ways of doing this, but my scripts work for me. From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Tue Oct 19 17:30:35 2004 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 11:30:35 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] #$%@$Student hotmail not working Message-ID: This morning I got to school with at least 10 students waiting to tell me that hotmail wasn't working... Their computers are running mozilla 1.6 on thin clients or stand-alone. They can't seem to get to the logon page. Is anyone else having this problem? Thanks, Jim From julius at turtle.com Tue Oct 19 17:36:36 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 13:36:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] OT building to building ethernet wiring In-Reply-To: <41752749.30903@czexan.net> References: <41752749.30903@czexan.net> Message-ID: <3108.216.216.171.235.1098207396.squirrel@216.216.171.235> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > Hello, > I wanted to get a wiring opinion from the list. I need to extend a > network from a school office to a few adjacent buildings. Each building > will have 5 or less workstations or LTS clients. The lengths are less > than 30m. I am considering running cat5e/6 thru metal conduit -vs- > fiber. I am concerned with ground potential between buildings and cable > loss etc -vs- cat2fiber and fiber2cat costs. Can I try it with cat, or > should I just use fiber? > Dale, at 30m cat5 in conduit is just fine, fiber is nicer, but overkill. you might also consider pairs of 801.11a access points running in bridging mode. most of a stuff is cheap now and if they come from same manufacturer, they will usually run in full duplex and give you the max throughput at 54Mbs. julius -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBdVCk2LhlZOaj6vURAnnXAJ9c8Xyhy0UmKr3Nu16p8Jbr3qmqqwCfRJb3 RI/RBtat6vutKNT/B54QPo8= =9iGV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Oct 19 17:54:44 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:54:44 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] #$%@$Student hotmail not working In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <417554E4.2060107@paasda.org> dansguardian run'n? or some other content filter blocking the page? then slightly OT...push them to the light! Yahoo or Gmail =) --Huck Jim Christiansen wrote: > This morning I got to school with at least 10 students waiting to tell > me that hotmail wasn't working... > Their computers are running mozilla 1.6 on thin clients or > stand-alone. They can't seem to get to the logon page. Is anyone > else having this problem? > Thanks, Jim > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From pantz at lqt.ca Tue Oct 19 17:53:24 2004 From: pantz at lqt.ca (Paul Pianta) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 13:53:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] my laptop in the lab In-Reply-To: <1098121207.21413.99.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1098110864.23083.8.camel@server.ltsp> <1098121207.21413.99.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <41755494.1040906@lqt.ca> Les Mikesell wrote: >On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 09:47, Liam Marshall wrote: > > > >>Is it possible to connect my Core 1 installation to the LTSP server and >>access the "shares" on it? Then I would not connect via LTSP but >>through that other way and still be able to show a screen to the kids >>similar to what they are looking at, and get files that I can "take >>home" on my local hard drive. >> >>opinions? Advice? >> >> > >One way would be to configure the laptop to boot standalone in text >mode. Then, instead of network-booting and becoming a thin client >you can type 'X -query server' to get the graphical login to the >lab server where everything will work the same as before. However, >from a terminal window you can ssh back to the laptop and run programs >there. If you run evolution (or your normal mail client) that way, >it will store the files on the laptop instead of the server. >After you log out of the thin client session you may have to kill >the X session with ctl-alt-backspace to stop the cycle of login screens >and use 'startx' if you want to run a local desktop session. > >Alternatively, you can run your normal laptop X desktop but ssh to >the server to start certain programs that you prefer to run there. >However you won't get exactly the same menus and window manager as >the other thin clients that way. > That's absolutely brilliant! I had never considered that as a solution to syncing mail. Thanks for the tip! pantz -- Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes ... That way when you do criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes! From haysja at sages.us Tue Oct 19 18:57:08 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 13:57:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT building to building ethernet wiring In-Reply-To: <3108.216.216.171.235.1098207396.squirrel@216.216.171.235> References: <41752749.30903@czexan.net> <3108.216.216.171.235.1098207396.squirrel@216.216.171.235> Message-ID: <41756384.8040301@sages.us> Cat 5 in conduit is not fine, unless you like buying new switches on each end every time there is a thunderstorm. You simply can't run copper between buildings unless you are quite sure that the cables are properly grounded and the equipment on each end is as well. You will actually save money (and innumerable headaches) by running fiber (or using wireless). To paraphrase what someone else wrote earlier, "Do NOT run copper between buildings!!". Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > > > >>Hello, >> I wanted to get a wiring opinion from the list. I need to extend a >>network from a school office to a few adjacent buildings. Each building >>will have 5 or less workstations or LTS clients. The lengths are less >>than 30m. I am considering running cat5e/6 thru metal conduit -vs- >>fiber. I am concerned with ground potential between buildings and cable >>loss etc -vs- cat2fiber and fiber2cat costs. Can I try it with cat, or >>should I just use fiber? >> >> >> >Dale, > at 30m cat5 in conduit is just fine, fiber is nicer, but overkill. you >might also consider pairs of 801.11a access points running in bridging >mode. most of a stuff is cheap now and if they come from same >manufacturer, they will usually run in full duplex and give you the max >throughput at 54Mbs. julius > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > >iD8DBQFBdVCk2LhlZOaj6vURAnnXAJ9c8Xyhy0UmKr3Nu16p8Jbr3qmqqwCfRJb3 >RI/RBtat6vutKNT/B54QPo8= >=9iGV >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From dalen at czexan.net Tue Oct 19 19:13:21 2004 From: dalen at czexan.net (dale) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 14:13:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT building to building ethernet wiring In-Reply-To: <001601c4b5f6$67ab0520$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001601c4b5f6$67ab0520$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <41756751.2010501@czexan.net> Jim Kronebusch wrote: > We use 100TX-100FX media converters all over the campus here. I believe > you are good for 500m over multi-mode fiber with them. Works without a > hitch for us. Doesn't sound like you are talking about much data Jim, What is your opinion on splicing connectors on the end of fiber? Is this something end users can now do, or is it still something best left to a professional splicer? Also FYI, I found a trendware transciever for $62 http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=10333171&loc=101&sp=1 Thanks, Dale From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tue Oct 19 19:28:39 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 14:28:39 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] #$%@$Student hotmail not working In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Does it matter?. . . We don't allow the use of those types of email sites from our school. Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Tue, 19 Oct 2004, Jim Christiansen wrote: > This morning I got to school with at least 10 students waiting to tell me > that hotmail wasn't working... > Their computers are running mozilla 1.6 on thin clients or stand-alone. > They can't seem to get to the logon page. Is anyone else having this > problem? > Thanks, Jim > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tue Oct 19 19:35:08 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 14:35:08 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] #$%@$Student hotmail not working In-Reply-To: <417554E4.2060107@paasda.org> References: <417554E4.2060107@paasda.org> Message-ID: We don't allow students to use those types of email sites at our school system. The reason is that the district is responsible for what they see and do on the internet provided by the district. At any time, the parents are allowed to come and ask to see their children's emails and if they use the 'free' ones, we can't give them that ability without legal action against the provider. Unless the students give us their account information on those sites, we have no way to monitor. We provide email for school use, during school hours, and they can be monitored if need be. This allows us to be less likely to be sued by a parent whose child was doing something they shouldn't have been on school time. Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Tue, 19 Oct 2004, Huck wrote: > dansguardian run'n? > or some other content filter blocking the page? > > then slightly OT...push them to the light! Yahoo or Gmail =) > > --Huck > > Jim Christiansen wrote: > > > This morning I got to school with at least 10 students waiting to tell > > me that hotmail wasn't working... > > Their computers are running mozilla 1.6 on thin clients or > > stand-alone. They can't seem to get to the logon page. Is anyone > > else having this problem? > > Thanks, Jim > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From webmaster at vol.org Tue Oct 19 19:45:01 2004 From: webmaster at vol.org (george kocke) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 14:45:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] StarOffice Net installation In-Reply-To: <1098206574.3760.7.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1098194166.22180.4.camel@server.ltsp> <1098195410.15924.5.camel@tardis.london.volnet> <1098199631.3760.2.camel@server.ltsp> <1098202285.15924.17.camel@tardis.london.volnet> <1098206574.3760.7.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <1098215101.15924.26.camel@tardis.london.volnet> On Tue, 2004-10-19 at 12:22, Liam Marshall wrote: > I am sorry, but I don't see a reference in that script to staroffice. > (maybe I am blind) I see openoffice, mozilla, acrobat, etc, but not > soffice. I don't understand bash enough to translate the needed changes > from openoffice to soffice. Hmmm.. Yes, you are correct. I used to put OpenOffice config files in .soffice, but changed that to .openoffice a while back. In any case, if StarOffice uses .soffice, you could just change the .openoffice references to .soffice. -- george kocke ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ From petre at maltzen.net Tue Oct 19 20:34:06 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 15:34:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT building to building ethernet wiring In-Reply-To: <41756751.2010501@czexan.net> References: <001601c4b5f6$67ab0520$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> <41756751.2010501@czexan.net> Message-ID: <41757A3E.8070603@maltzen.net> My two cents: Unless things have changed significantly in the past couple of years, leaving splicing fiber to people who have been trained to do it. The ends of the fiber must be cut properly and then polished on a series of increasingly fine sandpapers. One must use a special scope to see if the ends are smooth and polished enough. All in all, not something you want to tackle unless you're going to be doing a lot of it which would give you the practice to get good at it. But then you have to be prepared to throw away the first several ones you make because they won't work. And I say this as one who can cut and crimp Cat 5 with one hand tied behind my back. Copper is much simpler, but not relevant in your case. Petre dale wrote: > Jim Kronebusch wrote: > >> We use 100TX-100FX media converters all over the campus here. I believe >> you are good for 500m over multi-mode fiber with them. Works without a >> hitch for us. Doesn't sound like you are talking about much data > > Jim, > What is your opinion on splicing connectors on the end of fiber? Is > this something end users can now do, or is it still something best left > to a professional splicer? Also FYI, I found a trendware transciever > for $62 > http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=10333171&loc=101&sp=1 > > > Thanks, > > Dale > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Oct 19 21:20:52 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 16:20:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT building to building ethernet wiring In-Reply-To: <41756751.2010501@czexan.net> References: <001601c4b5f6$67ab0520$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> <41756751.2010501@czexan.net> Message-ID: <20041019210624.M52323@winonacotter.org> > Jim, > What is your opinion on splicing connectors on the end of fiber? > Is this something end users can now do, or is it still something > best left to a professional splicer? Also FYI, I found a trendware > transciever for $62 http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp? sku=10333171&loc=101&sp=1 > > Thanks, > > Dale I have actually put a lot of fiber ends on our multi-mode around campus for both data and for our Dynacom/Safari video system. I have done it enough to know that if you haven't done it before, don't plan on doing it much in the future, and don't have the equipment, just drop the money and have a professional do it. It takes kind of a knack to get used to it. I toasted a lot of hot melt connectors before I finally figured it out. You need a tool to strip the shielding off down to the small .005" glass fiber (about the size of a strand of dark hair). You need a kit to hold the hot melt connectors and heat them up while you insert the fiber. After removing the tip from the heater and letting it cool you need to use an eye piece and carefully break the protruding glass off just out outside the porcelain tip of the connector. Then with a couple grits of polishing cloth and a tip holder that keeps the porcelain perpendicular to the world you need to slowly polish the protruding glass fiber flush and clean. You will need a magnification device with lighting shining on the tip to be sure you have a concentric set of perfect circles in the center part of the porcelain tip. The smaller darker circle will be the glass and the outer circle will be the melt. Maybe there are better ways to do this but this is how the kit I got ahold of works. If your circles are oblong and/or rough/scratched you will have connectivity problems. With that said I'll leave it up to you. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From penguintiz at yahoo.com Tue Oct 19 21:22:14 2004 From: penguintiz at yahoo.com (David Tisdell) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 14:22:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 8, Issue 62 In-Reply-To: <20041017022256.1522F737BE@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20041019212214.59872.qmail@web41904.mail.yahoo.com> Jim, If you followed Terrell's proposal, you would be supernetting a class c address range. I have never done that but it probably works fine. Personally, I would select an address range in the private class a or b ranges (10.x.x.x for class a and 172.16.0.0 - 172.31.255.255 for class b)The subnet mask for class a would be 255.0.0.0 and the class b subnet mask would be 255.255.0.0. You would have a lot of flexibility in subnetting these later on if necessary. I don't think you will have as much flexibility if you supernet a class c but this is an area where I feel like I am finally beginning to understand what is going on and don't know all the ins and outs yet. If you move all workstaions to dhcp, then you would just have to readdress servers, network printers, switches (if you use managed switches)and your router. A previous poster warned about the dangers of having multiple dhcp servers on a single lan. I couldn't agree more. You invite all kinds of problems with multiple dhcp servers. People that are doing it have been lucky if they haven't run into significant issues. Hope this helps Dave ------------------- >>>Message: 5 >>>>>>>Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 21:45:15 -0400 >>>>>>From: "Terrell Prud?, Jr." >>>>> >>>>>>>Subject: Re: [K12OSN] LTSP Setup question. To: jim at linux.ca, "Support list for opensource software in schools." Message-ID: <4171CEAB.5 at cmosnetworks.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hello Jim, Why not just make one large /21 and adjust your DHCP scope appropriately? Say, 192.168.0.0/21. This would give you 192.168.0.1 through 192.168.7.254, which is 2046 IP addresses. You could go a bit further and exclude, say, the first 255 addresses from the scope (192.168.0.1 through 192.168.0.255). ---------------------------------------------- _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From dalen at czexan.net Tue Oct 19 21:34:13 2004 From: dalen at czexan.net (dale) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 16:34:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT building to building ethernet wiring In-Reply-To: <20041019210624.M52323@winonacotter.org> References: <001601c4b5f6$67ab0520$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> <41756751.2010501@czexan.net> <20041019210624.M52323@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <41758855.4030707@czexan.net> Jim Kronebusch wrote: >>Jim, >> What is your opinion on splicing connectors on the end of fiber? >>Is this something end users can now do, or is it still something >>best left to a professional splicer? Also FYI, I found a trendware >>transciever for $62 http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp? > > sku=10333171&loc=101&sp=1 > >>Thanks, >> >>Dale > > > I have actually put a lot of fiber ends on our multi-mode around campus for > both data and for our Dynacom/Safari video system. I have done it enough to > know that if you haven't done it before, don't plan on doing it much in the > future, and don't have the equipment, just drop the money and have a > professional do it. It takes kind of a knack to get used to it. I toasted > a lot of hot melt connectors before I finally figured it out. You need a > tool to strip the shielding off down to the small .005" glass fiber (about > the size of a strand of dark hair). You need a kit to hold the hot melt > connectors and heat them up while you insert the fiber. After removing the > tip from the heater and letting it cool you need to use an eye piece and > carefully break the protruding glass off just out outside the porcelain tip > of the connector. Then with a couple grits of polishing cloth and a tip > holder that keeps the porcelain perpendicular to the world you need to > slowly polish the protruding glass fiber flush and clean. You will need a > magnification device with lighting shining on the tip to be sure you have a > concentric set of perfect circles in the center part of the porcelain tip. > The smaller darker circle will be the glass and the outer circle will be the > melt. Maybe there are better ways to do this but this is how the kit I got > ahold of works. If your circles are oblong and/or rough/scratched you will > have connectivity problems. With that said I'll leave it up to you. Jim and Petre, Thanks for the info. I think I'll be leaving this to a professional. Thanks, Dale From roger.in.eugene at gmail.com Tue Oct 19 21:36:20 2004 From: roger.in.eugene at gmail.com (Roger Morris) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 14:36:20 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 8, Issue 62 In-Reply-To: <20041019212214.59872.qmail@web41904.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041017022256.1522F737BE@hormel.redhat.com> <20041019212214.59872.qmail@web41904.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <69b790a80410191436515d1443@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 14:22:14 -0700 (PDT), David Tisdell wrote: > Jim, > If you followed Terrell's proposal, you would be > supernetting a class c address range. I have never > done that but it probably works fine. Personally, I > would select an address range in the private class a > or b ranges (10.x.x.x for class a and 172.16.0.0 - > 172.31.255.255 for class b)The subnet mask for class a Well, it is CIDR isn't it? 'classless' I would pick one in the 172 for a different reason. That reason being just about every device out there that does NAT out of the box, likes to use 192.168.0.x Just wait til a user brings a hub from home and plugs it in and starts handing out DHCP. Roger From haysja at sages.us Tue Oct 19 22:27:16 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:27:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT building to building ethernet wiring In-Reply-To: <41758855.4030707@czexan.net> References: <001601c4b5f6$67ab0520$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> <41756751.2010501@czexan.net> <20041019210624.M52323@winonacotter.org> <41758855.4030707@czexan.net> Message-ID: <1098224836.417594c4e6078@sages.us> With the short runs that you are talking about here you could get the fiber pre-terminated. It may be easier and less expensive unless you know of someone who can terminate fiber. Quoting dale : > Jim Kronebusch wrote: > >>Jim, > >> What is your opinion on splicing connectors on the end of fiber? > >>Is this something end users can now do, or is it still something > >>best left to a professional splicer? Also FYI, I found a trendware > >>transciever for $62 http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp? > > > > sku=10333171&loc=101&sp=1 > > > >>Thanks, > >> > >>Dale > > > > > > I have actually put a lot of fiber ends on our multi-mode around campus for > > > both data and for our Dynacom/Safari video system. I have done it enough > to > > know that if you haven't done it before, don't plan on doing it much in the > > > future, and don't have the equipment, just drop the money and have a > > professional do it. It takes kind of a knack to get used to it. I toasted > > > a lot of hot melt connectors before I finally figured it out. You need a > > > tool to strip the shielding off down to the small .005" glass fiber (about > > > the size of a strand of dark hair). You need a kit to hold the hot melt > > connectors and heat them up while you insert the fiber. After removing the > > > tip from the heater and letting it cool you need to use an eye piece and > > carefully break the protruding glass off just out outside the porcelain tip > > > of the connector. Then with a couple grits of polishing cloth and a tip > > holder that keeps the porcelain perpendicular to the world you need to > > slowly polish the protruding glass fiber flush and clean. You will need a > > > magnification device with lighting shining on the tip to be sure you have a > > > concentric set of perfect circles in the center part of the porcelain tip. > > > The smaller darker circle will be the glass and the outer circle will be > the > > melt. Maybe there are better ways to do this but this is how the kit I got > > > ahold of works. If your circles are oblong and/or rough/scratched you will > > > have connectivity problems. With that said I'll leave it up to you. > Jim and Petre, > Thanks for the info. I think I'll be leaving this to a professional. > > Thanks, > > Dale > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ----------------------------------------- Jim Hays Technology Director Monticello CUSD#25 Monticello, IL 61856 ----------------------------------------- From sj at redpumas.com Tue Oct 19 22:29:17 2004 From: sj at redpumas.com (Steve James) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 23:29:17 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] OT UK tech specialist school pioneers open source switch Message-ID: <4175953D.4050009@redpumas.com> Hi I came across this article earlier UK tech specialist school pioneers open source switch http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/10/19/oss_school_switch/ Steve From dalen at czexan.net Tue Oct 19 22:32:22 2004 From: dalen at czexan.net (dale) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:32:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT building to building ethernet wiring In-Reply-To: <1098224836.417594c4e6078@sages.us> References: <001601c4b5f6$67ab0520$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> <41756751.2010501@czexan.net> <20041019210624.M52323@winonacotter.org> <41758855.4030707@czexan.net> <1098224836.417594c4e6078@sages.us> Message-ID: <417595F6.3050405@czexan.net> Jim Hays wrote: > With the short runs that you are talking about here you could get the fiber > pre-terminated. It may be easier and less expensive unless you know of someone > who can terminate fiber. Good point. I might need a larger conduit to accomodate the connector, but that would probably be cheaper than hiring someone to make a few splices. I'll consider it. Thanks, Dale From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Tue Oct 19 22:55:40 2004 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 16:55:40 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] #$%@$Student hotmail not working Message-ID: Yes, thanks everyone. The best solution would be to host our own mail. I have a couple of students trying to put together a mail server, but they are struggling. I have never put one together before... and have not yet given them the time and help to figure out how to set up imap cyrus and what ever else they are working on. Anyway, I guess that no one else is having hotmail email trouble, so, yes, it must be dansgardain. I have exceptions sites for: logon.passport.com msn.ca msn.com hotmail.com but still, all of the boxes hang at login. I haven't changed anything on my IPCop box for a week or so. I tried installing firefox, and it hangs at hotmail.com logon, too. Anyone know of a nice rpm, wiki, readme or magic ball that a beginner webmail student admin and rookie teacher could use? I do my own dns, so that is taken care of for the mail system. As usual, I appreciate all comments and suggestions. Jim From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Oct 19 23:09:03 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 19:09:03 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT building to building ethernet wiring In-Reply-To: <417595F6.3050405@czexan.net> References: <001601c4b5f6$67ab0520$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> <41756751.2010501@czexan.net> <20041019210624.M52323@winonacotter.org> <41758855.4030707@czexan.net> <1098224836.417594c4e6078@sages.us> <417595F6.3050405@czexan.net> Message-ID: <41759E8F.5050209@cmosnetworks.com> dale wrote: > Jim Hays wrote: > >> With the short runs that you are talking about here you could get the >> fiber >> pre-terminated. It may be easier and less expensive unless you know >> of someone >> who can terminate fiber. > > > Good point. I might need a larger conduit to accomodate the > connector, but that would probably be cheaper than hiring someone to > make a few splices. I'll consider it. > > Thanks, > > Dale I agree. You can easily get it in lengths of 15 metres, which is about 50ft (I did this for my house). If you need to go longer, L-Com is one company that makes them in pretty much any length you want, with pretty much any termination type that you want (ST, SC, MT-RJ, etc.). I'd go with multi-mode for your application. --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From dalen at czexan.net Tue Oct 19 23:09:58 2004 From: dalen at czexan.net (dale) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 18:09:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] #$%@$Student hotmail not working In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41759EC6.4040900@czexan.net> Jim Christiansen wrote: > Yes, thanks everyone. The best solution would be to host our own mail. > I have a couple of students trying to put together a mail server, but > they are struggling. I have never put one together before... and have > not yet given them the time and help to figure out how to set up imap > cyrus and what ever else they are working on. > Anyone know of a nice rpm, wiki, readme or magic ball that a beginner > webmail student admin and rookie teacher could use? I do my own dns, so > that is taken care of for the mail system. As usual, I appreciate all > comments and suggestions. Jim Jim, You might want to give SME server a try(contribs.org). It offers webmail & imap/pop (among many other features) with an easy to administer web interface. There are easy howtos and scripts for adding spamassasin, clamav, and secure imap/pop. I use this for my home network and it works well. Thanks, Dale From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Oct 19 23:16:39 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 19:16:39 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 8, Issue 62 In-Reply-To: <69b790a80410191436515d1443@mail.gmail.com> References: <20041017022256.1522F737BE@hormel.redhat.com> <20041019212214.59872.qmail@web41904.mail.yahoo.com> <69b790a80410191436515d1443@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4175A057.3060109@cmosnetworks.com> Roger Morris wrote: >On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 14:22:14 -0700 (PDT), David Tisdell > wrote: > > >>Jim, >>If you followed Terrell's proposal, you would be >>supernetting a class c address range. I have never >>done that but it probably works fine. Personally, I >>would select an address range in the private class a >>or b ranges (10.x.x.x for class a and 172.16.0.0 - >>172.31.255.255 for class b)The subnet mask for class a >> >> >Well, it is CIDR isn't it? 'classless' >I would pick one in the 172 for a different reason. That reason being >just about every device out there that does NAT out of the box, likes >to use 192.168.0.x >Just wait til a user brings a hub from home and plugs it in and starts >handing out DHCP. >Roger > > I agree. Just make sure that your routers speak CIDR (with ciscos, this is now the default), and you're good to go. What we used to call supernetting works fine w/ GNU/Linux and, therefore, LTSP. I've also used subnets of 10. and 172.16 with success as well. Note, though, that cisco wireless access points (not the Linksys models, I mean the actual Cisco-branded W.A.P.'s) use 10.0.0.x/24 by default. --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Tue Oct 19 23:45:45 2004 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:45:45 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] #$%@$Student hotmail not working Message-ID: Thank you Dale, I'm browing there in another tab. This is interesting - a mail server? cool. Do you know if I could use my existing nis system for sme and it's mail users? This looks to be more featureful (is this a word) than my IPCop. Any way to get Dansgardian on it? Thanks to everyone who got back to me quick this morning. Hum... back to the drawing board! Jim Jim, You might want to give SME server a try(contribs.org). It offers webmail & imap/pop (among many other features) with an easy to administer web interface. There are easy howtos and scripts for adding spamassasin, clamav, and secure imap/pop. I use this for my home network and it works well. Thanks, Dale From dalen at czexan.net Wed Oct 20 00:16:23 2004 From: dalen at czexan.net (dale) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 19:16:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] #$%@$Student hotmail not working In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4175AE57.4010008@czexan.net> Jim Christiansen wrote: > Thank you Dale, I'm browing there in another tab. This is interesting > - a mail server? cool. Do you know if I could use my existing nis > system for sme and it's mail users? It can probably be done with scripts. There is a lazy admin addon that can dump/add users/domains/etc. You could dump sme users and nis users, diff the lists and add/delete based on diff. You might want to search the experienced user forum on contribs.org and post the question there. > > This looks to be more featureful (is this a word) than my IPCop. Any > way to get Dansgardian on it? Yes! I haven't installed DansGuardian so I can't say if it is easy. There are instructions at http://www.dungog.net/sme/ and a addon you can buy to ease installation/maintenence. antivirus and spamassasin are in howto at http://sme.swerts-knudsen.dk/ http://pagefault.org/ has securemail howto If you have more questions you can mail me here or offlist. Thanks, Dale From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Oct 20 01:18:35 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 21:18:35 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] #$%@$Student hotmail not working, In-Reply-To: <4175AE57.4010008@czexan.net> References: <4175AE57.4010008@czexan.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, October 19, 2004 at 8:16 PM +0000 wrote: >Yes! I haven't installed DansGuardian so I can't say if it is easy. >There are instructions at http://www.dungog.net/sme/ and a addon you can >buy to ease installation/maintenence. I have....it's very cool and very powerful. The DG module from dungog.net is not free, but very inexpensive and worth every penny....I think it's like $20 US or something. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From aimssda at cscoms.com Wed Oct 20 01:26:08 2004 From: aimssda at cscoms.com (Edwardson Pedragosa) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 08:26:08 +0700 Subject: [K12OSN] rdesktop and Terminal Server Specs Inquiry In-Reply-To: <20041019222734.687D6739C4@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <000001c4b643$ca509800$0101a8c0@EDWARD> Hi, Just want to know if somebody here has build a Win2k3 as Terminal Server of K12LTSP and the specifications of that server. I'm having problem with testing Crossover office for my K12LTSP setup. Thanks From microman at cmosnetworks.com Wed Oct 20 01:32:39 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 21:32:39 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] rdesktop and Terminal Server Specs Inquiry In-Reply-To: <000001c4b643$ca509800$0101a8c0@EDWARD> References: <000001c4b643$ca509800$0101a8c0@EDWARD> Message-ID: <4175C037.1060104@cmosnetworks.com> Edwardson Pedragosa wrote: >Hi, > >Just want to know if somebody here has build a Win2k3 as Terminal Server >of K12LTSP and the specifications of that server. I'm having problem >with testing Crossover office for my K12LTSP setup. > >Thanks > > > Not sure if you mean "take a K12LTSP server and install Windows 2003 on it", or "log into a Windows 2003 server from K12LTSP with rdesktop or an equivalent." I'll assume the latter. I've tested CrossOver Office on K12LTSP, and my server here at home is a dual Athlon 1.2GHz with 4GB DRAM. You shouldn't need anywhere near that powerful a box to test CrossOver Office, though; a 512MB Pentium-III 700MHz ought to be quite sufficient, and you could very likely get away with even 256MB DRAM, but I wouldn't go any lower than that. Which apps are you trying to run with CrossOver Office? Some work (e. g. MS Office XP), and others don't (e. g. MS Office 2003, Adobe Acrobat 6). --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG Wed Oct 20 02:23:01 2004 From: HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Burroughs, Henry) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 22:23:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] rdesktop and Terminal Server Specs Inquiry Message-ID: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D78420073F44@hhpmail.MEDIA.LOCAL> Edwardson, What's your problem with Crossover office? I've been running it without any major hitches for a short while. Henry -----Original Message----- From: Edwardson Pedragosa [mailto:aimssda at cscoms.com] Sent: Tue 10/19/2004 9:26 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Cc: Subject: [K12OSN] rdesktop and Terminal Server Specs Inquiry Hi, Just want to know if somebody here has build a Win2k3 as Terminal Server of K12LTSP and the specifications of that server. I'm having problem with testing Crossover office for my K12LTSP setup. Thanks -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2664 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Oct 20 02:37:41 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 22:37:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] rdesktop and Terminal Server Specs Inquiry In-Reply-To: <000001c4b643$ca509800$0101a8c0@EDWARD> References: <000001c4b643$ca509800$0101a8c0@EDWARD> Message-ID: I am.....we're using Win2K3 Terminal Server and accessing it via rdesktop from K12LTSP. Works fine. The Win Term Server is a dual Pentium 3 with 3 gb RAM. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Oct 20 02:37:41 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 22:37:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] rdesktop and Terminal Server Specs Inquiry In-Reply-To: <000001c4b643$ca509800$0101a8c0@EDWARD> References: <000001c4b643$ca509800$0101a8c0@EDWARD> Message-ID: I am.....we're using Win2K3 Terminal Server and accessing it via rdesktop from K12LTSP. Works fine. The Win Term Server is a dual Pentium 3 with 3 gb RAM. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From robark at telus.net Wed Oct 20 02:50:45 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 19:50:45 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] kernel update resolves security vuln. Message-ID: <4175D285.5090406@telus.net> a new kernel 2.4.20-37.9 for k12ltsp 3.1.2 (RH9) was just released with security updates http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-legacy-announce/2004-October/msg00016.html Can I update with yum or rpm and still boot without other problems? Will the new kernel be selectable at boot like the other bigmem, smp kernels? Also, when I installed the OS I used a DUD (Driver Update Disk) for my Adaptec SCSI controller to load a module for it. Wondering if that will be used by the new kernel? Robert Arkiletian l From robark at telus.net Wed Oct 20 03:45:12 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 20:45:12 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Woe is me: Onboard SCSI/RAID Controller In-Reply-To: <4174DF7F.2070608@redeemer.qld.edu.au> References: <416BC0D7.1040504@redeemer.qld.edu.au> <1097605166.416c202e3473b@webmail.telus.net> <4171E370.3050905@redeemer.qld.edu.au> <1098128015.41741a8f25eef@webmail.telus.net> <4174DF7F.2070608@redeemer.qld.edu.au> Message-ID: <4175DF48.1020108@telus.net> Debbie Schiel wrote: >> >> Which version of k12ltsp did you try the dud disk with before 3.1.2? >> > > I tried my original 4.1.0 and then the 4.1.1 I just checked Mr. Gibbs site. http://people.freebsd.org/~gibbs/linux/DUD/aic79xx/ He has DUD disks for the following distros rh Redhat rhel Redhat Enterprise Linux sl SUSE linux sles SUSE linux enterprise server ul United linux (i think) I don't see any for Fedora Core so I'm not surprised the DUD did not work. >> Did you use the dud disk with 3.1.2? >> > > No I didn't need it with 3.1.2. RH installed the driver all > automatically. > I hate to tell you this but the driver that comes with RH9 is old. It may work but I am not using it. I read people had problems with it. I used Mr. Gibbs DUD disk for RH9 i686 with 3.1.2 I just did a search and I think even 4.0.1 (FC1) with kernel 2.4.22 should have it too. Check this out http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/779 search for aic79xx So only 3.1.2 needs the DUD not because it won't work, but because the driver is old. Try this cat /proc/scsi/aic79xx/0 to see what version you are using. If it's before 1.3.8 I think it's too old. This is my guess, not my experience. I am using 1.3.11 > Yes - problems there - The hardware browser picks up only ONE network > card but I know there are two... Hmm. try su - # ifconfig -a or #lspci -vv to tell you about attached devices. I know they will work with Slackware. type "man lspci" or "man ifconfig" if you want to know more about them. > Thanks Robert. I think it's fantastic that everyone has so much advice > and expertize to offer and does so gladly. No problem. This is what FOSS is all about. Robert Arkiletian From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Wed Oct 20 04:53:05 2004 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 21:53:05 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] rdesktop and Terminal Server Specs Inquiry In-Reply-To: References: <000001c4b643$ca509800$0101a8c0@EDWARD> Message-ID: Anyone have a link to a good reference that helps to determine Win2k3 specs based on number of users? Steve Hargadon > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Steve Hargadon 916-652-8600 ext. 711 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Oct 20 05:39:36 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 22:39:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] kernel update resolves security vuln. In-Reply-To: <4175D285.5090406@telus.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 19 Oct 2004, Robert Arkiletian wrote: >a new kernel 2.4.20-37.9 for k12ltsp 3.1.2 (RH9) was just released with >security updates > >http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-legacy-announce/2004-October/msg00016.html > >Can I update with yum or rpm and still boot without other problems? >Will the new kernel be selectable at boot like the other bigmem, smp >kernels? Yes, you can run "yum install kernel" to install the errata kernel. When you reboot, you will have the option to boot from the new kernel or any of the older kernels you may have installed. >Also, when I installed the OS I used a DUD (Driver Update Disk) for my >Adaptec SCSI controller to load a module for it. Wondering if that will >be used by the new kernel? I'm not sure on this one. It will *probably* work, but it does not you can always reboot and select the current working kernel from the grub boot menu. Of course it is always a really, really good idea to have current, known good backups.... -Eric From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Wed Oct 20 07:49:46 2004 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 08:49:46 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] NIS user authenticated OK but nothing works In-Reply-To: <8834DA9C-21C4-11D9-A88A-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> References: <1098046856.804.28.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <200410190832.00964.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> <8834DA9C-21C4-11D9-A88A-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> Message-ID: <200410200849.46988.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> On Tuesday 19 Oct 2004 12:46 pm, Lewis Holcroft wrote: > Martin, > > Is your /var/yp/securenets file setup to allow access to the client > subnets? Just a guess. I'm new to this NIS stuff and this is the best I > could come up with pre coffee. Oh yes; that's the first thing I checked. I've setup NIS/NFS with the O'Reilly book in one hand and this tutorial on the screen http://freeos.com/articles/2843/ and still it doesn't work. Perhaps the NIS software is broken? I gather from various newsgroups that people are moving away from NIS to LDAP (which I can well do without as I've found LDAP to be very fragile and very difficult to setup). Does anyone have any working NIS installations and if so, are they williing to share config files? -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From aimssda at cscoms.com Wed Oct 20 11:23:34 2004 From: aimssda at cscoms.com (Edwardson Pedragosa) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 18:23:34 +0700 Subject: [K12OSN] rdesktop and Terminal Server Specs Inquiry In-Reply-To: <20041020075653.C6FA473B9D@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <000001c4b697$4181d080$0101a8c0@EDWARD> About your Win2k3 server, how much did you spend for it? And how many simultaneous users do you have? I have 25 computers in my computer lab, and if using Crossover Office, it's really slow specially when using PowerPoint. Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 22:37:41 -0400 From: "David Trask" Subject: Re: [K12OSN] rdesktop and Terminal Server Specs Inquiry To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Cc: k12osn at redhat.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I am.....we're using Win2K3 Terminal Server and accessing it via rdesktop from K12LTSP. Works fine. The Win Term Server is a dual Pentium 3 with 3 gb RAM. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 ********* From aimssda at cscoms.com Wed Oct 20 11:23:34 2004 From: aimssda at cscoms.com (Edwardson Pedragosa) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 18:23:34 +0700 Subject: [K12OSN] rdesktop and Terminal Server Specs Inquiry In-Reply-To: <20041020075653.C6FA473B9D@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <000101c4b697$43d843a0$0101a8c0@EDWARD> Sorry, I have k12ltsp server now. You're right, I will get another server for Win2k3 as terminal server for windows apps. I have 25 clients, when they use it altogether (when using Powerpoint), man it's really slow. I'm running MS Office XP. There are limitations to it. I want to try running 25 rdesktop clients if it will do better and considering also the price for TS licenses. Thanks >Not sure if you mean "take a K12LTSP server and install Windows 2003 on >it", or "log into a Windows 2003 server from K12LTSP with rdesktop or an >equivalent." I'll assume the latter. I've tested CrossOver Office on >,K12LTSP, and my server here at home is a dual Athlon 1.2GHz with 4GB >DRAM. You shouldn't need anywhere near that powerful a box to test >CrossOver Office, though; a 512MB Pentium-III 700MHz ought to be quite >sufficient, and you could very likely get away with even 256MB DRAM, but >I wouldn't go any lower than that. >Which apps are you trying to run with CrossOver Office? Some work (e. >g. MS Office XP), and others don't (e. g. MS Office 2003, Adobe Acrobat 6). --TP _____________________ From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Oct 20 12:36:11 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 08:36:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] rdesktop and Terminal Server Specs Inquiry In-Reply-To: References: <000001c4b643$ca509800$0101a8c0@EDWARD> Message-ID: <41765BBB.2080101@inlandlakes.org> Steve Hargadon wrote: > Anyone have a link to a good reference that helps to determine Win2k3 > specs based on number of users? I jumped in REALLY late in this thread, but I just purchased a Win2k3 terminal server this summer. Just like spec'ing an LTSP server, it depends on the applications and concurrent users. I literally bought the fastest server I could afford, and prayed. So far, it worked. Me: * Dual Xeon 3.2Ghz 2MB Cache * 4GB DDR RAM * Dual Gig Eth (one for connecting to /home with, and one for connecting to clients with) * RAID 5 ULTRA320 SCSI Drives with ULTRA320 RAID controller (the latter is important) I can support up to 75 concurrent users (That's how many licenses I bought) running "SDS" our student management program. Several also run MS Office, etc. I think general use is around 40 users, all running SDS with about half running IE and MSOffice. I have been surprised how well it handled the load. Not being "connected" at Microsoft, I had a difficult time finding anyone there to help me size up a server need. Administering it has also been a challenge, since I am *not* a Microsoft guy at all... -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From jsmith at breakthroughministries.com Wed Oct 20 14:08:55 2004 From: jsmith at breakthroughministries.com (John A. Smith) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 09:08:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] doing the pivot_root server not responding In-Reply-To: <416EDEE9.5000300@criticalcontrol.com> References: <416EDEE9.5000300@criticalcontrol.com> Message-ID: <20040920090855.jsmith@breakthroughministries.com.12> Just as an update . . . I think the problem I was having was with the switch. When I hook a crossover cable from the client to server nic, it doesn't hang at "doing the pivot_root." It seems to load the kernel image fine, but now X won't start, "no screens found" error. I figure I'll try another switch tomorrow and try starting the client in run level 3 to see if I can get better info on what's going on with X. -john smith ----- Original Message ----- Pete wrote: > John A. Smith wrote: > > >>Did the newbie read the basic documentation??? > >> > >> > >Yes . . . and I googled for quite a while too. > > > > > > > The Doc from James McQuillan? > Page 11 > 2.3 Configuring the services needed by LTSP > http://www.ltsp.org/documentation/ltsp-4.1/ltsp-4.1-0-en.pdf > ltspcfg is mentioned there no...? > > Also from that doc (page 30) > Is tftp running? > netstat -anp | grep ":69" > Should return 1 line : udp .... > Check /etc/inetd.conf > tftp dgram udp wait ... > This line is NOT commented out? > in > /etc/xinetd.d/tftp > make sure the service tftp section is enabled > (disable=no) not yes > > From the logs you send it is either this or NFS > Is the /opt/ltsp/i386 directory listed in /etc/exports? > If not chances are you didn't run ltspcfg properly > See pages 31 and up in the above mentioned doc. > > If TFTP is running we will troubleshoot NFS, let me know > > Peter > > >>Did you run the ltspcfg tool? > >> > >> > >No . . . funny no mention of that in the basic documentation . . .So I just ran it and it didn't seem to make a difference. I'll restart to make sure all services restart properly with any new config. > > > >As for dhcpd.conf ours are identical, except subnets > > > >-john smith > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- John A. Smith Director of Administration Breakthrough Urban Ministries 5243 N. Ashland Ave. Chicago, IL 60640-2001 PH: 773.989.4382, x230 FAX: 773.989.7329 http://www.breakthroughministries.com From mwilliams at haywood.k12.nc.us Wed Oct 20 14:32:24 2004 From: mwilliams at haywood.k12.nc.us (Michael Williams) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 10:32:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] squid and https Message-ID: <36779.68.115.172.62.1098282744.squirrel@68.115.172.62> I've got a question about squid/dansguardian config. I've configured squid/dansguardian but I'm unable to get to any site using https protocol. I'm running a standard RH9 install. Can someone point me in the right direction. Michael -- Michael Williams Haywood County Schools Technology Director Instructional Technology http://www.haywood.k12.nc.us (828) 627-8314 From penguintiz at yahoo.com Wed Oct 20 14:47:16 2004 From: penguintiz at yahoo.com (David Tisdell) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 07:47:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 8, Issue 74 In-Reply-To: <20041020075653.C6FA473B9D@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20041020144716.61500.qmail@web41903.mail.yahoo.com> Martin, I have NIS working. I used the following doc to get things going: http://en.tldp.org/HOWTO/NIS-HOWTO/ypserv.html I found the O'reilly book more complicated than what I needed. The howto from tldp was simple to follow. Webmin also does a good job of setting up NIS When RH9 first came out ypserv appeared to be broken. I was teaching a Linux class and couldn't get it to work. After some updates came out, I didn't have any problems. I am running it on RH 9 right now. I haven't tried it on Fedora. I also haven't seen the errors you describe. If I can be of any help I will. Dave Message: 9 Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 08:49:46 +0100 From: Martin Woolley Subject: Re: [K12OSN] NIS user authenticated OK but nothing works To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Message-ID: <200410200849.46988.sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" On Tuesday 19 Oct 2004 12:46 pm, Lewis Holcroft wrote: > Martin, > > Is your /var/yp/securenets file setup to allow access to the client > subnets? Just a guess. I'm new to this NIS stuff and this is the best I > could come up with pre coffee. Oh yes; that's the first thing I checked. I've setup NIS/NFS with the O'Reilly book in one hand and this tutorial on the screen http://freeos.com/articles/2843/ and still it doesn't work. Perhaps the NIS software is broken? I gather from various newsgroups that people are moving away from NIS to LDAP (which I can well do without as I've found LDAP to be very fragile and very difficult to setup). Does anyone have any working NIS installations and if so, are they williing to share config files? -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From haysja at sages.us Wed Oct 20 14:52:34 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 09:52:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] #$%@$Student hotmail not working In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41767BB2.9000500@sages.us> Jim We use SME as our mail server. It works very well for us. I used to use SME as our filter as well but have replaced it with IPCop. I find IPCop a much better firewall/filter/gateway than SME. DansGuardian is much easier to install and manage on IPCop. Obviously, I have one box with IPCop for my filter and a different box with SME as my email server. (The SME box is also our Web server and provides some other functions for our network (MySQL, etc.) SME is a very good general server. IPCop is a good gateway/filter. Jim Christiansen wrote: > Yes, thanks everyone. The best solution would be to host our own > mail. I have a couple of students trying to put together a mail > server, but they are struggling. I have never put one together > before... and have not yet given them the time and help to figure out > how to set up imap cyrus and what ever else they are working on. > > Anyway, I guess that no one else is having hotmail email trouble, so, > yes, it must be dansgardain. I have exceptions sites for: > logon.passport.com > msn.ca > msn.com > hotmail.com > but still, all of the boxes hang at login. I haven't changed > anything on my IPCop box for a week or so. I tried installing > firefox, and it hangs at hotmail.com logon, too. > > Anyone know of a nice rpm, wiki, readme or magic ball that a beginner > webmail student admin and rookie teacher could use? I do my own dns, > so that is taken care of for the mail system. As usual, I appreciate > all comments and suggestions. Jim > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From twinprism at athena.physics.isu.edu Wed Oct 20 15:17:11 2004 From: twinprism at athena.physics.isu.edu (Ben Nickell) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 09:17:11 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] #$%@$Student hotmail not working In-Reply-To: <41767BB2.9000500@sages.us> References: <41767BB2.9000500@sages.us> Message-ID: <41768177.6060708@physics.isu.edu> >> Anyway, I guess that no one else is having hotmail email trouble, so, >> yes, it must be dansgardain. I have exceptions sites for: >> logon.passport.com >> msn.ca >> msn.com >> hotmail.com >> but still, all of the boxes hang at login. I haven't changed >> anything on my IPCop box for a week or so. I tried installing >> firefox, and it hangs at hotmail.com logon, too. >> Interesting. I am just noticed that hotmail (and other sites that require a login) are not working from my wife's windows laptop on my home network (linux NAT K12ltsp 4.0.x) since sometime yesterday. What is interesting is that firefox, going through my squidguard proxy works fine. While IE, using the proxy or not, is not working for these sites only. I haven't looked much farther than that, because she can use firefox and I don't really care if hotmail works. If I find anything, I'll let you know. Ben From dale.quigg at aspentech.com Wed Oct 20 16:02:11 2004 From: dale.quigg at aspentech.com (dale.quigg at aspentech.com) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 11:02:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: #$%@$Student hotmail not working Message-ID: Jim Christiansen wrote: > Yes, thanks everyone. The best solution would be to host our own > mail. > I have a couple of students trying to put together a mail server, but > they are struggling. I have never put one together before... and have > not yet given them the time and help to figure out how to set up imap > cyrus and what ever else they are working on. > Anyone know of a nice rpm, wiki, readme or magic ball that a beginner > webmail student admin and rookie teacher could use? I do my own dns, so > that is taken care of for the mail system. As usual, I appreciate all > comments and suggestions. Jim You may also want to consider ClarkConnect at www.clarkconnect.com. The thing I like about them is that for a reasonable fee, they provide automated updates to the OS, updates to the DansGuardian blacklists, system monitoring, etc. I've been pleased with their product and service. Hope this helps. DaleQ This e-mail and any attachments are intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email, and any attachments thereto, is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify the sender and permanently delete the original copy and any copy of any e-mail, and any printout thereof. From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Wed Oct 20 16:56:12 2004 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:56:12 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Gnome Menu after TuxPaint Upgrade In-Reply-To: <20041020160032.A307A733FA@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20041020160032.A307A733FA@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1098291372.31178.4.camel@isadore.stmarys-school.lan> Hello, We are using K12LTSP ver 4.1.0 I downloaded rpms for the new version of TuxPaint. fltk-1.1.4-0.i386.rpm fltk-devel-1.1.4-0.i386.rpm tuxpaint tuxpaint-0.9.14-1.fc2.i386.rpm tuxpaint-config-0.0.5-1.i386.rpm tuxpaint-stamps-2004.10.03-1.noarch.rpm The gnome panel now crashes when mousing over Graphics icon on the menu. Ideas, suggestions? Thanks, John From ksj2010 at myrealbox.com Wed Oct 20 18:28:26 2004 From: ksj2010 at myrealbox.com (KJ) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 14:28:26 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Squid & Content filtering Message-ID: <4176AE4A.50105@myrealbox.com> Hello, I have installed (Finally!) K12 LTSP and it is working great! I had a bad CD player, took me weeks to figure that out (I'm not worthy to be a geek anymore!) :-) Now my question is Squid and Content filtering. I have been unable to get Squid to work, I'm not really sure where to look or what to do to get started, can anyone point me in the right direction? (ie. websites with HOWTO's or something) I'd really appreciate it. Also if you can tell me what you use for content filtering and what seems to be the best, I'd really appreciate it! Thanks in advance, KJ The "How far the mighty have fallen" geek From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Oct 20 18:41:24 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 11:41:24 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Squid & Content filtering In-Reply-To: <4176AE4A.50105@myrealbox.com> References: <4176AE4A.50105@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <4176B154.1080101@paasda.org> I use dansguardian and squid...both older versions on an older version of redhat.. --Huck KJ wrote: > Hello, > I have installed (Finally!) K12 LTSP and it is working great! I had a > bad CD player, took me weeks to figure that out (I'm not worthy to be > a geek anymore!) :-) > > Now my question is Squid and Content filtering. I have been unable to > get Squid to work, I'm not really sure where to look or what to do to > get started, can anyone point me in the right direction? (ie. > websites with HOWTO's or something) I'd really appreciate it. > > Also if you can tell me what you use for content filtering and what > seems to be the best, I'd really appreciate it! > > Thanks in advance, > KJ > The "How far the mighty have fallen" geek > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From mwilliams at haywood.k12.nc.us Wed Oct 20 18:27:20 2004 From: mwilliams at haywood.k12.nc.us (Michael Williams) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 14:27:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Squid & Content filtering In-Reply-To: <4176AE4A.50105@myrealbox.com> References: <4176AE4A.50105@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <33128.68.115.172.62.1098296840.squirrel@68.115.172.62> > Hello, > I have installed (Finally!) K12 LTSP and it is working great! I had a > bad CD player, took me weeks to figure that out (I'm not worthy to be a > geek anymore!) :-) > > Now my question is Squid and Content filtering. I have been unable to > get Squid to work, I'm not really sure where to look or what to do to > get started, can anyone point me in the right direction? (ie. websites > with HOWTO's or something) I'd really appreciate it. I am setting up squid and dansguardian using the following instructions: Install RedHat with standard base packages and the following packages 1.Apache 2.Squid 3.glibc 4.autoconf 5.gcc 6.make 7.ssh I didn't have any luck with the following wget commands, so I went to the respective sites and downloaded.. 8.install webmin wget http://umn.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/webadmin/webmin-1.150-1.noarch.rpm rpm -Uvh webmin-1.150-1.noarch.rpm then download and install DansGuardian 9.wget http://usmirror.dansguardian.org/downloads/2/Stable/RedHat9/DansGuardian-2.6.1-5.RH9.i386.rpm rpm -Uvh DansGuardian-2.6.1-5.RH9.i386.rpm go in to squid.conf file and add these lines .. /etc/squid/squid.conf httpd_accel_host virtual httpd_accel_port 80 httpd_accel_single_host off httpd_accel_with_proxy on httpd_accel_uses_host_header on then execute the following commands is root iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -m tcp -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 8080 iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -m tcp -p tcp --dport 443 -j REDIRECT --to-port 8080 iptables -A INPUT -m tcp -p tcp -s ! 127.0.0.1 --dport 3128 -j DROP /etc/init.d/iptables save then add or update the following lines in the /etc/sysctl.conf file net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1 net.ipv4.conf.default.send_redirects = 0 net.ipv4.conf.all.send_redirects = 0 net.ipv4.conf.eth0.send_redirects = 0 then use these commands to make sure squid and DansGuardian run at boot chkconfig on squid chkconfig on dansGuardian now you must go to the bannedextensionlist file and open it and remove the lines *.cab and *.exe if u want windows update to work now test it by starting squid and dansGuardian /etc/rc.d/init.d/squid start /etc/rc.d/init.d/dansguardian start --snip Michael -- Michael Williams Haywood County Schools Technology Director Instructional Technology http://www.haywood.k12.nc.us (828) 627-8314 From adammelancon at gmail.com Wed Oct 20 18:41:49 2004 From: adammelancon at gmail.com (Adam Melancon) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 13:41:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Squid & Content filtering In-Reply-To: <4176B154.1080101@paasda.org> References: <4176AE4A.50105@myrealbox.com> <4176B154.1080101@paasda.org> Message-ID: <48928761041020114141522c82@mail.gmail.com> I don't know if this helps, but I wrote this squidguard how-to when replacing our iprism web filter here at the library. http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us/sysadminsite/squidguard/ Enjoy! On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 11:41:24 -0700, Huck wrote: > I use dansguardian and squid...both older versions on an older version > of redhat.. > > --Huck > > > > KJ wrote: > > > Hello, > > I have installed (Finally!) K12 LTSP and it is working great! I had a > > bad CD player, took me weeks to figure that out (I'm not worthy to be > > a geek anymore!) :-) > > > > Now my question is Squid and Content filtering. I have been unable to > > get Squid to work, I'm not really sure where to look or what to do to > > get started, can anyone point me in the right direction? (ie. > > websites with HOWTO's or something) I'd really appreciate it. > > > > Also if you can tell me what you use for content filtering and what > > seems to be the best, I'd really appreciate it! > > > > Thanks in advance, > > KJ > > The "How far the mighty have fallen" geek > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Adam Melancon Work: http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us Personal: http://www.melancon.org From rgibson57 at earthlink.net Wed Oct 20 18:50:48 2004 From: rgibson57 at earthlink.net (Rita Gibson) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:50:48 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Squid & Content filtering In-Reply-To: <4176B154.1080101@paasda.org> References: <4176AE4A.50105@myrealbox.com> <4176B154.1080101@paasda.org> Message-ID: <4176B388.7090409@earthlink.net> Someone who knows far more than me handles the firewall and internet filtering at our school. But I have been trying to learn some stuff on my own and saw a recommendation for IPCop on this list. At home, I have installed IPCop and dansguardian. There are very good howto's out there on the IPCop site, and with IPCop the updates and everything are right there on the site, and fairly automated with a web interface. The howto I followed off the IPCop "addons" site have you using a combination of dansguardian and the squidguard blacklists. I still haven't been able to figure out how to tweak dansguardian so that it doesn't block too much, but I'm figuring it out slowly but surely. I have my own teenagers here at home, and get plenty of feedback. I had the CD burned, and the howtos printed out already, in thirty minutes I had installed and configured everything with the howtos. Rita Gibson Tech Support RMSEL Huck wrote: > I use dansguardian and squid...both older versions on an older version > of redhat.. > > --Huck > > KJ wrote: > >> Hello, >> I have installed (Finally!) K12 LTSP and it is working great! I had >> a bad CD player, took me weeks to figure that out (I'm not worthy to >> be a geek anymore!) :-) >> >> Now my question is Squid and Content filtering. I have been unable >> to get Squid to work, I'm not really sure where to look or what to do >> to get started, can anyone point me in the right direction? (ie. >> websites with HOWTO's or something) I'd really appreciate it. >> >> Also if you can tell me what you use for content filtering and what >> seems to be the best, I'd really appreciate it! >> >> Thanks in advance, >> KJ >> The "How far the mighty have fallen" geek >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From fhkms at adelphia.net Wed Oct 20 19:13:04 2004 From: fhkms at adelphia.net (Will Hatch) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 15:13:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Squid & Content filtering Message-ID: <20041020191303.ZADN2188.mta11.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Ditto to your post Rita. I have Ipcop and Dansguardian going here at our school. I have not however, been able to tweak the settings. I have teachers who can't check email. If you figure out how to let certain users through the filter, let me know. Thanks! -Will > > From: Rita Gibson > Date: 2004/10/20 Wed PM 02:50:48 EDT > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Squid & Content filtering > > > Someone who knows far more than me handles the firewall and internet > filtering at our school. But I have been trying to learn some stuff on > my own and saw a recommendation for IPCop on this list. At home, I have > installed IPCop and dansguardian. There are very good howto's out there > on the IPCop site, and with IPCop the updates and everything are right > there on the site, and fairly automated with a web interface. The howto > I followed off the IPCop "addons" site have you using a combination of > dansguardian and the squidguard blacklists. I still haven't been able to > figure out how to tweak dansguardian so that it doesn't block too much, > but I'm figuring it out slowly but surely. I have my own teenagers here > at home, and get plenty of feedback. > > I had the CD burned, and the howtos printed out already, in thirty > minutes I had installed and configured everything with the howtos. > > Rita Gibson > Tech Support > RMSEL > > > Huck wrote: > > > I use dansguardian and squid...both older versions on an older version > > of redhat.. > > > > --Huck > > > > KJ wrote: > > > >> Hello, > >> I have installed (Finally!) K12 LTSP and it is working great! I had > >> a bad CD player, took me weeks to figure that out (I'm not worthy to > >> be a geek anymore!) :-) > >> > >> Now my question is Squid and Content filtering. I have been unable > >> to get Squid to work, I'm not really sure where to look or what to do > >> to get started, can anyone point me in the right direction? (ie. > >> websites with HOWTO's or something) I'd really appreciate it. > >> > >> Also if you can tell me what you use for content filtering and what > >> seems to be the best, I'd really appreciate it! > >> > >> Thanks in advance, > >> KJ > >> The "How far the mighty have fallen" geek > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us Wed Oct 20 19:13:51 2004 From: ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us (Richard K. Ingalls) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 14:13:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Pros & Cons of upgrading a Production Server from RH8.0 to FC2? Message-ID: <4176B8EF.9060209@glenwood.k12.mo.us> i'm in the process of installing a Fedora Core 2 (K12LTSP) box at this very moment to try out Centre 1.2 (open-source School Information System app). FC2 LOOKS really slick. Nice eye-candy. Very professional looking OS. I noticed that FC2 comes with Mozilla 1.7 and Gimp 2! That's awesome! I'd like to put those on my Production Servers running RedHat8.0. And I thought the easiest, fastest way would be to simply upgrade from RH8 to FC2. I am wrong in this thinking? What are the Pros and Cons of upgrading from RH8 to FC2? Remember this is for two Production Servers, not Experimental Servers. -- =========================================================== "He is no fool who gives up what he cannot keep for that which he cannot lose." -- Jim Elliott RICHARD K. INGALLS Director of Information Technology Glenwood R-8 School District West Plains, MO email..ringalls (at) glenwood.k12.mo.us web....http://glenwood.k12.mo.us ph.....417.256.4849 fax....417.257.2567 "Miracles are a retelling in small letters of the very same story which is written across the whole world in letters too large for some of us to see." -- C. S. Lewis =========================================================== From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Oct 20 19:20:34 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:20:34 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Squid & Content filtering In-Reply-To: <20041020191303.ZADN2188.mta11.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> References: <20041020191303.ZADN2188.mta11.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <4176BA82.4020001@paasda.org> http proxy port 3128 squid default bypass Will Hatch wrote: >Ditto to your post Rita. I have Ipcop and Dansguardian going here at our school. I have not however, been able to tweak the settings. I have teachers who can't check email. If you figure out how to let certain users through the filter, let me know. Thanks! -Will > > >>From: Rita Gibson >>Date: 2004/10/20 Wed PM 02:50:48 EDT >>To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." >>Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Squid & Content filtering >> >> >>Someone who knows far more than me handles the firewall and internet >>filtering at our school. But I have been trying to learn some stuff on >>my own and saw a recommendation for IPCop on this list. At home, I have >>installed IPCop and dansguardian. There are very good howto's out there >>on the IPCop site, and with IPCop the updates and everything are right >>there on the site, and fairly automated with a web interface. The howto >>I followed off the IPCop "addons" site have you using a combination of >>dansguardian and the squidguard blacklists. I still haven't been able to >>figure out how to tweak dansguardian so that it doesn't block too much, >>but I'm figuring it out slowly but surely. I have my own teenagers here >>at home, and get plenty of feedback. >> >>I had the CD burned, and the howtos printed out already, in thirty >>minutes I had installed and configured everything with the howtos. >> >>Rita Gibson >>Tech Support >>RMSEL >> >> >>Huck wrote: >> >> >> >>>I use dansguardian and squid...both older versions on an older version >>>of redhat.. >>> >>>--Huck >>> >>>KJ wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>Hello, >>>>I have installed (Finally!) K12 LTSP and it is working great! I had >>>>a bad CD player, took me weeks to figure that out (I'm not worthy to >>>>be a geek anymore!) :-) >>>> >>>>Now my question is Squid and Content filtering. I have been unable >>>>to get Squid to work, I'm not really sure where to look or what to do >>>>to get started, can anyone point me in the right direction? (ie. >>>>websites with HOWTO's or something) I'd really appreciate it. >>>> >>>>Also if you can tell me what you use for content filtering and what >>>>seems to be the best, I'd really appreciate it! >>>> >>>>Thanks in advance, >>>>KJ >>>>The "How far the mighty have fallen" geek >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>K12OSN mailing list >>>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>For more info see >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Wed Oct 20 19:29:41 2004 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 14:29:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Pros & Cons of upgrading a Production Server from RH8.0 to FC2? In-Reply-To: <4176B8EF.9060209@glenwood.k12.mo.us> References: <4176B8EF.9060209@glenwood.k12.mo.us> Message-ID: <63DE1282-22CE-11D9-8F77-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I wouldn't upgrade during the middle of the year on production servers. On Oct 20, 2004, at 2:13 PM, Richard K. Ingalls wrote: > What are the Pros and Cons of upgrading from RH8 to FC2? Remember > this is for two Production Servers, not Experimental Servers. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkF2vKUACgkQfqZR3ThMfXTfbACfSf9VwH0hmws4abFBJkRYLpDU B80AmwTNaMGdWFUt873N8CjlbBS2i2j/ =Thm4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Oct 20 19:35:42 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:35:42 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Changing default web browser (globaly) In-Reply-To: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D78420073F42@hhpmail.MEDIA.LOCAL> References: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D78420073F42@hhpmail.MEDIA.LOCAL> Message-ID: <4176BE0E.3090103@paasda.org> late posting...but just did it apt-get install firefox mv /usr/bin/mozilla /usr/bin/MOZILLA cp /usr/bin/firefox /usr/bin/mozilla click on the little dragon head and voila! --Huck Burroughs, Henry wrote: >You can tell I'm on a roll tonight. ;-) What do I need to modify so that when the user clicks on the "web-browser" button on the GNOME panel for it to launch an alternate browser (ie: Firefox) instead of mozilla. I basically know how the gnome-default-applications-properties program modifies settings for the user, but where are the global/default settings? I'm trying to get it switched over before I have everyone pile onto the new server. Have a great evening! > > >Henry Burroughs >Technology Director >Hilton Head Preparatory School >www.hhprep.org > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From roger.in.eugene at gmail.com Wed Oct 20 19:34:41 2004 From: roger.in.eugene at gmail.com (Roger Morris) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:34:41 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Pros & Cons of upgrading a Production Server from RH8.0 to FC2? In-Reply-To: <63DE1282-22CE-11D9-8F77-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> References: <4176B8EF.9060209@glenwood.k12.mo.us> <63DE1282-22CE-11D9-8F77-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> Message-ID: <69b790a80410201234ab4ede9@mail.gmail.com> > > I wouldn't upgrade during the middle of the year on production servers. > Neither would I. If you did feel the urge to upgrade now, I'd suggest getting another hard drive, install it in the computer and install to the new hard drive. If the server doesn't work the way you want, boot to the old drive. For the ultra-paranoid, do a swap of the drive cable so that only 1 drive is working at a time. That way, you can be sure that the install won't mess with the working drive. It could be a way for you to do an install and get it working the way you want before you go live. Once you start an upgrade on an existing system, you're locked in. Roger From tkaldahl at maplewoodacademy.org Wed Oct 20 19:39:08 2004 From: tkaldahl at maplewoodacademy.org (Tim Kaldahl) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 14:39:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Squid & Content filtering In-Reply-To: <20041020191303.ZADN2188.mta11.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <000701c4b6dc$77d62600$8e01a8c0@maplewood.mwa> -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Will Hatch Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 2:13 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: Re: [K12OSN] Squid & Content filtering Ditto to your post Rita. I have Ipcop and Dansguardian going here at our school. I have not however, been able to tweak the settings. I have teachers who can't check email. If you figure out how to let certain users through the filter, let me know. Thanks! -Will I am using IPcop with Dan's Gaurdian as well. I have set up the teachers with IP address reservations and then (I am using win2k for dhcp) and then used WinSCP3 to edit the /etc/dansguardian/exceptioniplist file to allow those IP addresses to not be filtered. Each teacher is then informed that they are responsible for not letting students use their computer unless under direct supervision. The downside of this is when teachers find a great site, but then IPCop won't let the students through. Gavin Spurgeon's Addonz have been a great tool too. I believe the links to WinSCP and Putty can be found on his site. (I'm too lazy to dig them up right now) HTH Tim Kaldahl Maplewood Academy IT Coordinator IT Coordinator (noun): When somebody else needs something done on the computer, the IT Coordinator is expected to do IT. From microman at cmosnetworks.com Wed Oct 20 19:59:05 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 15:59:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Pros & Cons of upgrading a Production Server from RH8.0 to FC2? In-Reply-To: <4176B8EF.9060209@glenwood.k12.mo.us> References: <4176B8EF.9060209@glenwood.k12.mo.us> Message-ID: <4176C389.8030609@cmosnetworks.com> Richard K. Ingalls wrote: > i'm in the process of installing a Fedora Core 2 (K12LTSP) box at > this very moment to try out Centre 1.2 (open-source School Information > System app). FC2 LOOKS really slick. Nice eye-candy. Very > professional looking OS. > > I noticed that FC2 comes with Mozilla 1.7 and Gimp 2! That's > awesome! I'd like to put those on my Production Servers running > RedHat8.0. And I thought the easiest, fastest way would be to simply > upgrade from RH8 to FC2. I am wrong in this thinking? > > What are the Pros and Cons of upgrading from RH8 to FC2? Remember > this is for two Production Servers, not Experimental Servers. > I agree with the other posters; I wouldn't do it during the school year unless I were forced to, i. e. if I had no other choice. I've not upgraded the GIMP itself before, but I do upgrade Mozilla 1.x, Firefox, T-bird, OpenOffice.org, OpenSSL, OpenSSH, and the kernel on a regular basis. Other than the kernel updates, there's no downtime, so the users never know. Since I do the kernel updates in the evening after school, the users actually don't know about that, either. :-) In my experience, upgrading the specific app that you want/need is easier than the entire operating environment. I would imagine that the GIMP would be similar. Any of the Mozilla products in particular are easy to upgrade, and the method is described in a recent previous thread. --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From clay at bridgeportisd.net Wed Oct 20 20:11:05 2004 From: clay at bridgeportisd.net (Walker, Clay) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 15:11:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] books (off topic maybe) Message-ID: <6146AF43B9A098498022FC21CD2738A4E15CBA@mail.bridgeport.bridgeportisd.net> The best one I have seen is: Linux Administration Handbook by Evi Nemeth, Garth Snyder, Trent R. Hein Doesn't talk much about X, just command administration of a system. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Mark Gumprecht Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 6:52 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: [K12OSN] books (off topic maybe) I, for one, am new to linux and basically have enough knowledge to be dangerous. I've jumped in by using only linux on my work machine, no matter how long it takes to figure it out. Are there any really good books to help out newbies? I have checked out many, but they seem to be either to general or to in depth. Can the masters of this list suggest books that would better the community's knowledge? TIA -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, Maine gumprechtm at msln.net _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From jam at mcquil.com Wed Oct 20 20:20:11 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 16:20:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] books (off topic maybe) In-Reply-To: <6146AF43B9A098498022FC21CD2738A4E15CBA@mail.bridgeport.bridgeportisd.net> References: <6146AF43B9A098498022FC21CD2738A4E15CBA@mail.bridgeport.bridgeportisd.net> Message-ID: Mark, A brand new book from Marcel Gagne called 'Moving to the Linux Business Desktop' Covers lots of things that are probably of interest to this list. Including 2 chapters on LTSP. Marcel is also a writer for Linux Journal, and does a great job of explaining things in terms that normal people (non propeller heads) can understand. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Wed, 20 Oct 2004, Walker, Clay wrote: > The best one I have seen is: > Linux Administration Handbook by Evi Nemeth, Garth Snyder, Trent R. Hein > > Doesn't talk much about X, just command administration of a system. > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On > Behalf Of Mark Gumprecht > Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 6:52 AM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: [K12OSN] books (off topic maybe) > > > I, for one, am new to linux and basically have enough knowledge to be > dangerous. I've jumped in by using only linux on my work machine, no > matter how long it takes to figure it out. Are there any really good > books to help out newbies? I have checked out many, but they seem to be > either to general or to in depth. Can the masters of this list suggest > books that would better the community's knowledge? > TIA > > -- > Mark Gumprecht > Data Systems Specialist > MSAD3 > Unity, Maine > gumprechtm at msln.net > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From goblin at scooter.co.nz Wed Oct 20 20:26:45 2004 From: goblin at scooter.co.nz (goblin at scooter.co.nz) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 09:26:45 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] Squid & Content filtering In-Reply-To: <33128.68.115.172.62.1098296840.squirrel@68.115.172.62> References: <4176AE4A.50105@myrealbox.com> <33128.68.115.172.62.1098296840.squirrel@68.115.172.62> Message-ID: <4176CA05.1060105@scooter.co.nz> Michael Williams wrote: > now you must go to the bannedextensionlist file and open it and remove the > lines *.cab and *.exe if u want windows update to work I think a better option is to put the following in exceptionsitelist. windowsupdate.com download.microsoft.com windowsupdate.microsoft.com This allows windows update to run without giving open access to .cab and .exe files. mRgOBLIN From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Wed Oct 20 20:49:36 2004 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 16:49:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC Reflector In-Reply-To: <20041020202704.732327354C@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20041020202704.732327354C@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1098305376.30422.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hello, Three hurricanes later and I'm finally getting around to the things I intended to address in August :-/ I tried to get some info on VNC Relector and the link is not currently working. http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/content/vncreflector/vncreflector-how-to.html Does anyone have a copy they could forward on to us? Thanks, John From rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us Wed Oct 20 23:44:25 2004 From: rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us (Rick O'Dell) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 18:44:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mail Problems Message-ID: Hi all, I'm running a postfix Server on fedora 4.01, MailScanner, ClamAV, and Spam Assassin. Life is good, except for one user. Everyday her e-mail locks up. We use Outlook on Windows XP and 2000 machines. The log files at the server say mail box is locked. If I delete some of her messages (mostly animated cartoons), then It will work again, (for awhile). I have approximately 80 users on this server, no one else is having this problem, and they receive the same mail... Does anybody have any Ideas???????? Rick O'Dell Net Work Administrator Bakersfield R4 School Dst. Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.280 / Virus Database: 264.12.0 - Release Date: 10/19/2004 From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Oct 20 23:31:50 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 16:31:50 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Mail Problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4176F566.8070408@paasda.org> Oh it's Outlook's fault... grab thunderbird =) *smirk* not a lot of help I know...but really...and if you need calendar support..there's a plugin for it =) oh I mean extension...also...does it work at the CLI on the linux box? or just pop'n it off don't work? Rick O'Dell wrote: > Hi all, I'm running a postfix Server on fedora 4.01, MailScanner, ClamAV, >and Spam Assassin. Life is good, except for one user. Everyday her e-mail >locks up. We use Outlook on Windows XP and 2000 machines. The log files at >the server say mail box is locked. If I delete some of her messages (mostly >animated cartoons), then It will work again, (for awhile). I have >approximately 80 users on this server, no one else is having this problem, >and they receive the same mail... >Does anybody have any Ideas???????? > >Rick O'Dell >Net Work Administrator >Bakersfield R4 School Dst. >Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 >rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us >-- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 7.0.280 / Virus Database: 264.12.0 - Release Date: 10/19/2004 > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us Wed Oct 20 23:51:31 2004 From: rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us (Rick O'Dell) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 18:51:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mail Problems In-Reply-To: <4176F566.8070408@paasda.org> Message-ID: You lost me, CLI???? Rick O'Dell Net Work Administrator Bakersfield R4 School Dst. Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Huck Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 6:32 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Mail Problems Oh it's Outlook's fault... grab thunderbird =) *smirk* not a lot of help I know...but really...and if you need calendar support..there's a plugin for it =) oh I mean extension...also...does it work at the CLI on the linux box? or just pop'n it off don't work? Rick O'Dell wrote: > Hi all, I'm running a postfix Server on fedora 4.01, MailScanner, ClamAV, >and Spam Assassin. Life is good, except for one user. Everyday her e-mail >locks up. We use Outlook on Windows XP and 2000 machines. The log files at >the server say mail box is locked. If I delete some of her messages (mostly >animated cartoons), then It will work again, (for awhile). I have >approximately 80 users on this server, no one else is having this problem, >and they receive the same mail... >Does anybody have any Ideas???????? > >Rick O'Dell >Net Work Administrator >Bakersfield R4 School Dst. >Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 >rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us >-- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 7.0.280 / Virus Database: 264.12.0 - Release Date: 10/19/2004 > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.280 / Virus Database: 264.12.0 - Release Date: 10/19/2004 -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.280 / Virus Database: 264.12.0 - Release Date: 10/19/2004 From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Oct 20 23:43:35 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 16:43:35 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Mail Problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4176F827.4010700@paasda.org> command line interface... i.e. with 'mutt' or 'pine' or 'mail' =) --Huck Rick O'Dell wrote: > You lost me, CLI???? >Rick O'Dell >Net Work Administrator >Bakersfield R4 School Dst. >Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 >rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us > >-----Original Message----- >From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On >Behalf Of Huck >Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 6:32 PM >To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Mail Problems > > >Oh it's Outlook's fault... grab thunderbird =) > >*smirk* not a lot of help I know...but really...and if you need calendar >support..there's a plugin for it =) >oh I mean extension...also...does it work at the CLI on the linux box? >or just pop'n it off don't work? > >Rick O'Dell wrote: > > > >> Hi all, I'm running a postfix Server on fedora 4.01, MailScanner, ClamAV, >>and Spam Assassin. Life is good, except for one user. Everyday her e-mail >>locks up. We use Outlook on Windows XP and 2000 machines. The log files at >>the server say mail box is locked. If I delete some of her messages (mostly >>animated cartoons), then It will work again, (for awhile). I have >>approximately 80 users on this server, no one else is having this problem, >>and they receive the same mail... >>Does anybody have any Ideas???????? >> >>Rick O'Dell >>Net Work Administrator >>Bakersfield R4 School Dst. >>Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 >>rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us >>-- >>Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). >>Version: 7.0.280 / Virus Database: 264.12.0 - Release Date: 10/19/2004 >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see >-- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 7.0.280 / Virus Database: 264.12.0 - Release Date: 10/19/2004 > >-- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 7.0.280 / Virus Database: 264.12.0 - Release Date: 10/19/2004 > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us Thu Oct 21 00:03:46 2004 From: rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us (Rick O'Dell) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 19:03:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mail Problems In-Reply-To: <4176F827.4010700@paasda.org> Message-ID: Oh, interesting, I tried pine, it don't work. I couldn't remember mutt, I'll try that... Rick O'Dell Net Work Administrator Bakersfield R4 School Dst. Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Huck Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 6:44 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Mail Problems command line interface... i.e. with 'mutt' or 'pine' or 'mail' =) --Huck Rick O'Dell wrote: > You lost me, CLI???? >Rick O'Dell >Net Work Administrator >Bakersfield R4 School Dst. >Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 >rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us > >-----Original Message----- >From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On >Behalf Of Huck >Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 6:32 PM >To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Mail Problems > > >Oh it's Outlook's fault... grab thunderbird =) > >*smirk* not a lot of help I know...but really...and if you need calendar >support..there's a plugin for it =) >oh I mean extension...also...does it work at the CLI on the linux box? >or just pop'n it off don't work? > >Rick O'Dell wrote: > > > >> Hi all, I'm running a postfix Server on fedora 4.01, MailScanner, ClamAV, >>and Spam Assassin. Life is good, except for one user. Everyday her e-mail >>locks up. We use Outlook on Windows XP and 2000 machines. The log files at >>the server say mail box is locked. If I delete some of her messages (mostly >>animated cartoons), then It will work again, (for awhile). I have >>approximately 80 users on this server, no one else is having this problem, >>and they receive the same mail... >>Does anybody have any Ideas???????? >> >>Rick O'Dell >>Net Work Administrator >>Bakersfield R4 School Dst. >>Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 >>rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us >>-- >>Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). >>Version: 7.0.280 / Virus Database: 264.12.0 - Release Date: 10/19/2004 >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see >-- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 7.0.280 / Virus Database: 264.12.0 - Release Date: 10/19/2004 > >-- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 7.0.280 / Virus Database: 264.12.0 - Release Date: 10/19/2004 > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.280 / Virus Database: 264.12.0 - Release Date: 10/19/2004 -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.280 / Virus Database: 264.12.0 - Release Date: 10/19/2004 From accessys at smart.net Wed Oct 20 23:48:01 2004 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 19:48:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Changing OpenOffice Default printer In-Reply-To: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D78420073F41@hhpmail.MEDIA.LOCAL> References: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D78420073F41@hhpmail.MEDIA.LOCAL> Message-ID: we have a HP laser printer and I can't get OO.o to set it as default, when in the printer set up the printer isn't listed, but when in a document I can go to "Printer settings" the HP printer is listed but not as default. if I change it manually it works fine. but I have to set it while in each document. obviously there is an occasional "opps" and it really scrambles the printer, as the default is "generic printer" not to mention it spits out about a half ream of paper with a single line of code on it, if I can't get the "Cancel job" engaged fast enough. any ideas here, it is OO.o 1.0 thanks Bob ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From accessys at smart.net Wed Oct 20 23:53:18 2004 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 19:53:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Mail Problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 20 Oct 2004, Rick O'Dell wrote: > Oh, interesting, I tried pine, it don't work. I couldn't remember mutt, Pine is not included in the RedHat/Fedora core distribution after RH9 some sort of argument with Univ of Wash or something like that easy enough to download from the Univ of Washington site Bob +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Thu Oct 21 00:31:27 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 20:31:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Your docs In-Reply-To: <1098306114.30422.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1098306114.30422.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Some of my how-to docs have moved....here are the new addresses.... http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/vncreflector/ for the VNCreflector stuff http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/Samba-LDAP.pdf for Samba/LDAP David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From nelsda at yahoo.com Thu Oct 21 02:42:11 2004 From: nelsda at yahoo.com (David D. Nelson) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 19:42:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] #$%@$Student hotmail not working In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20041021024211.90609.qmail@web41625.mail.yahoo.com> --- Jim Christiansen wrote: > Their computers are running mozilla 1.6 on thin > clients or stand-alone. > They can't seem to get to the logon page. Is anyone > else having this > problem? I don't use hotmail but I can get to the login screen on my home system just fine. ===== David D. Nelson nelsda at yahoo.com _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au Thu Oct 21 05:15:45 2004 From: debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au (Debbie Schiel) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 15:15:45 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] backing up user prefs & docs Message-ID: <41774601.50703@redeemer.qld.edu.au> Hi all, This is probably a simple task but I don't know how to do it. I just want to make a backup of a user's files & prefs & settings, eg: 'guest' I copied the /home/guest folder as root (so included hidden files). Then I created user 'guest' with same user ID & password on another machine and replaced the /home/guest folder with the one I had just copied. Resulted in errors when I tried to log in as guest. If this is the way one is supposed to do it (i.e. just a straight copy of /home/user) then I can work on the errors and try fix whatever I've done wrong. But is there a "proper" way of backing up user prefs & docs? Thanks, Debbie -- http://www.redeemer.qld.edu.au/ From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Thu Oct 21 06:03:27 2004 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 23:03:27 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] backing up user prefs & docs In-Reply-To: <41774601.50703@redeemer.qld.edu.au> References: <41774601.50703@redeemer.qld.edu.au> Message-ID: <1098338607.4716.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2004-10-21 at 15:15 +1000, Debbie Schiel wrote: > I just want to make a backup of a user's files & prefs & settings, eg: > 'guest' You might want to check the permissions for /home/guest. When copying things as root, root takes ownership of the copied files. You probably can just: # chown -R guest /home/guest -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au Thu Oct 21 07:04:34 2004 From: debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au (Debbie Schiel) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:04:34 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] backing up user prefs & docs In-Reply-To: <1098338607.4716.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <41774601.50703@redeemer.qld.edu.au> <1098338607.4716.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <41775F82.9070705@redeemer.qld.edu.au> FAB! Thanks for the tip Dan. Changed permissions on /home/guest *and* /tmp/gconfd-guest/ and logged in fine with everything exactly where I left it. Dan Young wrote: > On Thu, 2004-10-21 at 15:15 +1000, Debbie Schiel wrote: > >>I just want to make a backup of a user's files & prefs & settings, eg: >>'guest' > > > You might want to check the permissions for /home/guest. When copying > things as root, root takes ownership of the copied files. You probably > can just: > > # chown -R guest /home/guest > > -- > Dan Young > Parkrose School District > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- http://www.redeemer.qld.edu.au/ From l.maslany at jmc.ac.uk Thu Oct 21 07:39:55 2004 From: l.maslany at jmc.ac.uk (Luke Maslany) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 08:39:55 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Upload to Apache Message-ID: <8F057578D21DBA4BB0CF32013A87ACED05F685@x-serv1.admin.jmc.ac.uk> Hi all, I am trying to set up a LAMP server to allow students to develop dynamic web pages using PHP and MySQL. Unfortunately I am having some problems with Apache 2, namely in regards to uploading content to the site. I have enabled UserDir and I would like students to be able to upload content to their individual area. I have considered either WebDAV or FTP. Which of these would be easiest to implement? In order to get around the basic authentication method for WebDAV I had thought to require an SSL tunnel and for FTP to forward traffic through SSH. How do other people handle this? Many thanks Luke Maslany Josiah Mason College l.maslany at jmc.ac.uk From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Thu Oct 21 07:50:24 2004 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 08:50:24 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Changing OpenOffice Default printer In-Reply-To: References: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D78420073F41@hhpmail.MEDIA.LOCAL> Message-ID: <200410210850.25445.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> On Thursday 21 Oct 2004 12:48 am, Access Systems wrote: > we have a HP laser printer and I can't get OO.o to set it as default, when > in the printer set up the printer isn't listed, but when in a document I > can go to "Printer settings" the HP printer is listed but not as default. > if I change it manually it works fine. but I have to set it while in each > document. obviously there is an occasional "opps" and it really scrambles > the printer, as the default is "generic printer" not to mention it spits > out about a half ream of paper with a single line of code on it, if I > can't get the "Cancel job" engaged fast enough. > > any ideas here, it is OO.o 1.0 > Generic printer (the default) is just the lpr command. To change this you want the OO spadmin. On my box it's /usr/bin/oopadmin. -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From sudev at mantraonline.com Thu Oct 21 08:48:27 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 14:18:27 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] backing up user prefs & docs In-Reply-To: <41775F82.9070705@redeemer.qld.edu.au> References: <41774601.50703@redeemer.qld.edu.au> <1098338607.4716.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <41775F82.9070705@redeemer.qld.edu.au> Message-ID: <1098348507.17900.4.camel@server.ltsp> On Thu, 2004-10-21 at 12:34, Debbie Schiel wrote: > FAB! Thanks for the tip Dan. Changed permissions on /home/guest *and* > /tmp/gconfd-guest/ and logged in fine with everything exactly where I > left it. > > Dan Young wrote: > > On Thu, 2004-10-21 at 15:15 +1000, Debbie Schiel wrote: > > > >>I just want to make a backup of a user's files & prefs & settings, eg: > >>'guest' > > > > > > You might want to check the permissions for /home/guest. When copying > > things as root, root takes ownership of the copied files. You probably > > can just: > > > > # chown -R guest /home/guest > > A better way is to rsync as even when run as root it preserves the UID/GID -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From be_j_ma at optusnet.com.au Thu Oct 21 09:42:08 2004 From: be_j_ma at optusnet.com.au (ben may) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 19:42:08 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] A Mail Set up book References: <20041020235317.D9DCE733E8@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <003601c4b752$3d00a430$d4c3a4cb@boss> Hi, does anyone know where I could find a good how to setup email for the server pop3 or http or both for a beginner. Regards, Ben May be_j_ma at optusnet.com.au From dean at mumby.co.za Thu Oct 21 10:08:45 2004 From: dean at mumby.co.za (Dean Mumby) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 12:08:45 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] A Mail Set up book In-Reply-To: <003601c4b752$3d00a430$d4c3a4cb@boss> References: <20041020235317.D9DCE733E8@hormel.redhat.com> <003601c4b752$3d00a430$d4c3a4cb@boss> Message-ID: <41778AAD.8050104@mumby.co.za> ben may wrote: >Hi, >does anyone know where I could find a good how to setup email for the server >pop3 or http or both for a beginner. >Regards, > >Ben May >be_j_ma at optusnet.com.au > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > www.qmailtoaster.com Regards Dean From gumprechtm at msln.net Thu Oct 21 10:26:08 2004 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 06:26:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] List of books Message-ID: <41778EC0.6080302@msln.net> Thanks for posting the books. For those following, here is the list. --A general linux book is a jolly fine investment, the fatter the better. I have The Complete Reference: Linux Fourth Edition by Richard Peterson published by Osborne ISBN 0-07-212940-9, which covers RH7 (amongst others) and includes in it a RH7 CD (only one though). --the books that have remained on the front of my shelf over the computer are "linux Power Tools" Roderick Smith publish by Sybex still advanced but the step by step instructions are followable even if you don't understand what your doing. --an oldie but still a goodie "Red Hat Linux, fast and easy" C & C Witherspoon pub by Prima tech --now a good book but it only covers using the K desktop is "Linux in the Workplace" Linux Journal Press, pub by No Starch --now for open office org "OpenOffice.org Resource kit" is the kind of book I would like to see for all of linux, it is complete and fairly comprehensive without being over your head, but it only covers Open Office --Marcel Gagne has written a few books that I think are pretty good. His "Linux System Administration" is a decent general purpose book. He's got a new one out--I forget the title--that seems to be getting decent reviews. --Try safari.oreilly.com. It is a great resource for all oreilly books and texts from other publishers. 14.95 a month gets you 10 slots on your "bookshelf". I am a book hound and have seriously cut down on my spending. --I have found the IBM developer network tutorials very weel written too, the Linux LPI certification (101 parts 1 to 4 & 102 parts 1 to 4) tutorials are a good place to start. Its free, but you have to register to actually download, available in PDF or html. http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/views/linux/tutorials.jsp http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/newto/ --I've got one. It's "UNIX System V Release 4: An Introduction", published by Osborne Press. This is the main book that I used to learn GNU/Linux. It takes you all the way through and shows you why things are done certain ways and then how to do them. Many books just throw info at you and expect you to know why you might want or need to know that. This book actually tells you, "This is why you might want to know this." Highly recommended. --The best one I have seen is: Linux Administration Handbook by Evi Nemeth, Garth Snyder, Trent R. Hein Doesn't talk much about X, just command administration of a system. --A brand new book from Marcel Gagne called 'Moving to the Linux Business Desktop' Covers lots of things that are probably of interest to this list. Including 2 chapters on LTSP. Thanks again -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, Maine gumprechtm at msln.net From microman at cmosnetworks.com Thu Oct 21 11:41:13 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 07:41:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] backing up user prefs & docs In-Reply-To: <41774601.50703@redeemer.qld.edu.au> References: <41774601.50703@redeemer.qld.edu.au> Message-ID: <4177A059.2050804@cmosnetworks.com> Debbie Schiel wrote: > Hi all, > > This is probably a simple task but I don't know how to do it. > > I just want to make a backup of a user's files & prefs & settings, eg: > 'guest' > > I copied the /home/guest folder as root (so included hidden files). > Then I created user 'guest' with same user ID & password on another > machine and replaced the /home/guest folder with the one I had just > copied. > Resulted in errors when I tried to log in as guest. > > If this is the way one is supposed to do it (i.e. just a straight copy > of /home/user) then I can work on the errors and try fix whatever I've > done wrong. But is there a "proper" way of backing up user prefs & docs? > > Thanks, > > Debbie You want to throw a few more switches, like so: cp -rp /home/guest /my/backup/place The "r" does a recursive copy, and the "p" preserves permissions, file creation/modification times, etc. One other tidbit: since this is GNU/Linux that we're talking about here, you can also add the "v" ("verbose") switch so that you can see each file as it's copied; I always do this whenever possible. Thus, the command I use in actual practice is as follows: cp -rpv /source/tree /my/backup/place Note that the -v switch is one of the famous GNU extensions to the original UNIX command set, i. e. it's not supported on "stock" HP-UX, OpenBSD, and a few others, unless you install the GNU versions on those operating systems. I always do this at the earliest opportunity. --TP -- _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Thu Oct 21 11:59:41 2004 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 06:59:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Upload to Apache In-Reply-To: <8F057578D21DBA4BB0CF32013A87ACED05F685@x-serv1.admin.jmc.ac.uk> References: <8F057578D21DBA4BB0CF32013A87ACED05F685@x-serv1.admin.jmc.ac.uk> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Oct 21, 2004, at 2:39 AM, Luke Maslany wrote: > > Unfortunately I am having some problems with Apache 2, namely in > regards > to uploading content to the site. I have enabled UserDir and I would > like students to be able to upload content to their individual area. > > I have considered either WebDAV or FTP. Which of these would be > easiest > to implement? > Why not use SFTP? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkF3pK4ACgkQfqZR3ThMfXQU3ACfbcmx75+Am0Z9ThaAmRD1hs2w H2wAnjM6fggnogxQ8MvTW2c4ZKs3GdvO =i3nn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From gary.frederick at jsoft.com Thu Oct 21 12:37:05 2004 From: gary.frederick at jsoft.com (Gary Frederick) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 07:37:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Upload to Apache In-Reply-To: References: <8F057578D21DBA4BB0CF32013A87ACED05F685@x-serv1.admin.jmc.ac.uk> Message-ID: <4177AD71.3000900@jsoft.com> WebDAV is very easy to turn on. I like it because it has a 'natural' feel, the kids can upload/download from a web site just like it was the file system. And you can use it with OOo and other programs. Gary Burke Almquist wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Oct 21, 2004, at 2:39 AM, Luke Maslany wrote: > >> > >> Unfortunately I am having some problems with Apache 2, namely in regards >> to uploading content to the site. I have enabled UserDir and I would >> like students to be able to upload content to their individual area. >> >> I have considered either WebDAV or FTP. Which of these would be easiest >> to implement? >> > > Why not use SFTP? > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) > > iEYEARECAAYFAkF3pK4ACgkQfqZR3ThMfXQU3ACfbcmx75+Am0Z9ThaAmRD1hs2w > H2wAnjM6fggnogxQ8MvTW2c4ZKs3GdvO > =i3nn > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From mwilliams at haywood.k12.nc.us Thu Oct 21 12:17:37 2004 From: mwilliams at haywood.k12.nc.us (Michael Williams) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 08:17:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Squid & Content filtering In-Reply-To: <4176CA05.1060105@scooter.co.nz> References: <4176AE4A.50105@myrealbox.com> <33128.68.115.172.62.1098296840.squirrel@68.115.172.62> <4176CA05.1060105@scooter.co.nz> Message-ID: <33784.68.115.172.62.1098361057.squirrel@68.115.172.62> > I think a better option is to put the following in exceptionsitelist. > > windowsupdate.com > download.microsoft.com > windowsupdate.microsoft.com > > This allows windows update to run without giving open access to .cab and > .exe files. > > mRgOBLIN > I think I'd have to agree with you, this would be the better option. I would also include liveupdate.symantecliveupdate.com to allow application/zip Michael -- Michael Williams Haywood County Schools Technology Director Instructional Technology http://www.haywood.k12.nc.us (828) 627-8314 From mwilliams at haywood.k12.nc.us Thu Oct 21 12:35:00 2004 From: mwilliams at haywood.k12.nc.us (Michael Williams) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 08:35:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Squid & Content filtering In-Reply-To: <4176B388.7090409@earthlink.net> References: <4176AE4A.50105@myrealbox.com> <4176B154.1080101@paasda.org> <4176B388.7090409@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <34012.68.115.172.62.1098362100.squirrel@68.115.172.62> > > Someone who knows far more than me handles the firewall and internet > filtering at our school. But I have been trying to learn some stuff on > my own and saw a recommendation for IPCop on this list. At home, I have > installed IPCop and dansguardian. There are very good howto's out there > on the IPCop site, and with IPCop the updates and everything are right > there on the site, and fairly automated with a web interface. The howto > I followed off the IPCop "addons" site have you using a combination of > dansguardian and the squidguard blacklists. I still haven't been able to > figure out how to tweak dansguardian so that it doesn't block too much, > but I'm figuring it out slowly but surely. I have my own teenagers here > at home, and get plenty of feedback. <-snip> > Rita Gibson > Tech Support > RMSEL > > I'm familiar with smoothwall which ipcop was forked from. I'm going to take a good look at this solution.... Michael -- Michael Williams Haywood County Schools Technology Director Instructional Technology http://www.haywood.k12.nc.us (828) 627-8314 From l.maslany at jmc.ac.uk Thu Oct 21 12:57:57 2004 From: l.maslany at jmc.ac.uk (Luke Maslany) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 13:57:57 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Upload to Apache Message-ID: <8F057578D21DBA4BB0CF32013A87ACED05F687@x-serv1.admin.jmc.ac.uk> Thank you both for your replies. SFTP: I'd forgotten about SFTP! This seems suitable and there are graphical components that should please the students. Thank you for this! WebDAV: If possible, I would very much like to get this working for the same reasons you stated. Do you happen to know of any good resources I could look at to get WebDAV working in this manner? My thanks again, Luke Maslany -----Original Message----- From: Gary Frederick [mailto:gary.frederick at jsoft.com] Sent: 21 October 2004 13:37 To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Upload to Apache WebDAV is very easy to turn on. I like it because it has a 'natural' feel, the kids can upload/download from a web site just like it was the file system. And you can use it with OOo and other programs. Gary Burke Almquist wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Oct 21, 2004, at 2:39 AM, Luke Maslany wrote: > >> > >> Unfortunately I am having some problems with Apache 2, namely in regards >> to uploading content to the site. I have enabled UserDir and I would >> like students to be able to upload content to their individual area. >> >> I have considered either WebDAV or FTP. Which of these would be easiest >> to implement? >> > > Why not use SFTP? > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) > > iEYEARECAAYFAkF3pK4ACgkQfqZR3ThMfXQU3ACfbcmx75+Am0Z9ThaAmRD1hs2w > H2wAnjM6fggnogxQ8MvTW2c4ZKs3GdvO > =i3nn > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Oct 21 14:24:09 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 09:24:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] A Mail Set up book In-Reply-To: <003601c4b752$3d00a430$d4c3a4cb@boss> Message-ID: <000b01c4b779$a155d820$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > Hi, > does anyone know where I could find a good how to setup email > for the server pop3 or http or both for a beginner. Regards, I will type you my makeshift tutorial for myself below. It will have three sections, one for setting up Postfix, one for MailMan for mailing lists (if you need them), and the other for installing openwebmail (if you too are unhappy with Squirrelmail). The first section will be a link to an excellent tutorial on Postfix (not written by me). Read it carefully and carefully again. If you follow the directions to a tee you will not have any issues. This is also broken down into sections, Section 1 installs Postfix, section 2 installs Squirrelmail, section 3 installs MailScanner w/SpamAssassin and ClamAV (choose Option 2 in this section, gives me less trouble), and the last step 4 I skipped because I really don't like Squirrelmail all that much so I don't care to add a MySQL backend for Address Books and prefs. I just installed it in step 2 for testing purposes and then I install OpenWebmail later. The install looks intimidating at first but it is an excellent step by step and should really only take a couple of hours. So here is my notes: Section 1 - Install Postfix w/MailScanner,SpamAssasin, and ClamAV Follow instructions at http://www.linuxhelp.ca/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=7&t=3647 Note: If there is trouble installing via MCPAN run the following from the command line #export LANG=US Section 2 - Setup MailMan mailing list manager www.list.org is the MailMan homepage Download mailman-2.1.5.tgz Unpack with #tar -zxvf mailman-2.1.5.tgz Open INSTALL file and follow directions Configure with the following options: #./configure --with-mail-gid=nobody --with-cgi-gid=apache After install follow POSTFIX.README for integration with postfix Add newlists with the #/usr/local/mailman/bin/newlist listname Modify lists with http://your.domain/mailman/admin/listname Section 3 - Install OpenWebmail (because it has a built in Calendar, looks better, more options, etc) Download current packages: my install used the following perl-CGI-2.81-88.4.i386.rpm perl-Compress-Zlib-1.21-RH9.i386.rpm perl-perl-suidper-5.8.0-88.i386.rpm perl-Text-lconv-1.2-RH80.i386.rpm Openwebmail-2.32-1.i386.rpm Install the above packages with #rpm -Uvh packagename Run /var/www/cgi-bin/openwebmail/etc/openwebmail-tool.pl --init And make suggested changes, then rerun Modify /var/www/cgi-bin/openwebmail/etc/openwebmail.conf domainnames yourdomain.com Access the finished product with http://yourdomain/cgi-bin/openwebmail/openwebmail.pl I set up a redirect page in my Apache that takes mail.yourdomain.com and redirects it to the long winded link. Let me know if you want the the simple html file that does this. Again these are not the type of tutorials that you want to skim through once and hope it works. There are comments and links to other files and stuff that you need to follow to a tee for it to work. But as long as you take your time and read carefully it should be very simple. Also I install this on WBEL 3.0.1 (WhiteBox Enterprise). But I think everything above is fairly platform independent so you shouldn't have trouble with Fedora. Good luck --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.779 / Virus Database: 526 - Release Date: 10/19/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Thu Oct 21 14:25:20 2004 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 15:25:20 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] NIS user authenticated OK but nothing works In-Reply-To: <200410190832.00964.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> References: <1098046856.804.28.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <200410190832.00964.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> Message-ID: <200410211525.20239.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> On Tuesday 19 Oct 2004 8:32 am, Martin Woolley wrote: > in a nutshell, only root is to be able to resolve the passwd maps through yp. > No regular user has access to them and as a consequence no one can change > their password or indeed access any application that needs to resolve a uid > to a uname. (eg open office, abiword, koffice, etc, etc). SOLVED! Problem is caused by these lines in the /etc/ypserv.conf :- # Host : Domain : Map : Security # # * : * : passwd.byname : port # * : * : passwd.byuid : port To quote from Sarup 'You should do this [un-comment them] otherwise any user on the network can say "ypcat passwd" and see the entire password database exported by the NIS server, including the encrypted password. However, root on the client machines will be able to view the encrypted password.' The comments from the /etc/yp.serv file state that the above lines '...when uncommented, will give you shadow like passwords. Note that it will not work if you have slave NIS servers in your network that do not run the same server as you.' This all implies that this is the way to go, BUT if you do then an unprivaledged user cannot access the password map file and so their uid cannot be translated to their uname. The full saga can be read at http://www.openhgs.org/moin.cgi/NISNFS -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Thu Oct 21 14:53:05 2004 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 08:53:05 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] #$%@$Student hotmail not working Message-ID: Thank you to everyone who has given me help with the Hotmail troubles and installing a student mail system. Evidently we were not the only school in this region to have had sporadic hotmail access a couple of days ago. What it did show us though is that we have so much to gain by providing our own mail system, I really ought to figure out how to get one going! Jim Christiansen From haysja at sages.us Thu Oct 21 15:05:53 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 10:05:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] #$%@$Student hotmail not working In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4177D051.8070605@sages.us> SME Server 6.0.1 (http://e-smith.org) is a very good general purpose server that had a good email system built-in. Nothing to set up, nothing to configure. Give the students and account on the server and it's ready to go. If you want just an internal server, put it inside your network with a private IP, set up a DNS record on your DNS server and you are all set. If you want it to be public you will need to take steps to make the server available to the public Internet. It is very easy and way better that relying on an external entity for your student email. Jim Christiansen wrote: > Thank you to everyone who has given me help with the Hotmail troubles > and installing a student mail system. Evidently we were not the only > school in this region to have had sporadic hotmail access a couple of > days ago. What it did show us though is that we have so much to gain > by providing our own mail system, I really ought to figure out how to > get one going! Jim Christiansen > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From les at futuresource.com Thu Oct 21 15:15:07 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 10:15:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] #$%@$Student hotmail not working In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1098371707.4301.10.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2004-10-21 at 09:53, Jim Christiansen wrote: > Thank you to everyone who has given me help with the Hotmail troubles and > installing a student mail system. Evidently we were not the only school in > this region to have had sporadic hotmail access a couple of days ago. What > it did show us though is that we have so much to gain by providing our own > mail system, I really ought to figure out how to get one going! If you have all your accounts on one box, email is already there. All you have to do is configure sendmail to receive from the network (it is intentionally broken in that respect by default) and set up an MX record in DNS pointing to your server. Realistically though, if you are going to receive inbound email you'll want to install spam and virus filtering. MimeDefang/spamassassin/clamav are free and work together with sendmail. There are other solutions if you aren't using sendmail. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Thu Oct 21 15:55:45 2004 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 08:55:45 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] backing up user prefs & docs In-Reply-To: <4177A059.2050804@cmosnetworks.com> References: <41774601.50703@redeemer.qld.edu.au> <4177A059.2050804@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <1098374145.7917.2.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> On Thu, 2004-10-21 at 04:41, "Terrell Prud?, Jr." wrote: > You want to throw a few more switches, like so: > > cp -rp /home/guest /my/backup/place > > The "r" does a recursive copy, and the "p" preserves permissions, file > creation/modification times, etc. Or just: # cp -a /source /destination -a implies -dpR, with -d preserving links. -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From carl at snarlnet.com Thu Oct 21 16:02:55 2004 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 09:02:55 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] moving /home to separate drive Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20041021085904.01c4e690@pop.easystreet.com> Does anyone have any tips for moving /home to a separate drive and then upgrading to 4.1 without losing all the /home data? I'm just not clear on what settings you'd choose during install to ensure that you set up the directory structure properly, with /home on a separate drive, but not erasing anything there. I'm starting from a botched "upgrade" install of 4.1 already, but my server is hosed. I need to keep everything in the /home directory, but I'd like to do a clean install of everything else and reconfigure from scratch. Does SATA work pretty well with FC2/K12LTSP4.1? Anybody got a step by step procedure written down for doing this? Thanks so much, ck From pbenson at ffni.com Thu Oct 21 16:06:27 2004 From: pbenson at ffni.com (Phil Benson) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 11:06:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Squid & Content filtering In-Reply-To: <34012.68.115.172.62.1098362100.squirrel@68.115.172.62> Message-ID: I like Smoothwall with Dansguardian and ClamAV. The how do is at http://www.smoothwall.org with the how to for Dansguardian with ClamAV at http://community.smoothwall.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8488 I use it here at home with my two kids and it works great. The install is very easy with a old PC and two network cards. It can also be setup to monitor AIM and MSN messenger. The how to for this is at http://community.smoothwall.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3351 Phil Benson Embroidery Nation http://www.embroiderynation.com/ -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Michael Williams Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 7:35 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Squid & Content filtering > > Someone who knows far more than me handles the firewall and internet > filtering at our school. But I have been trying to learn some stuff on > my own and saw a recommendation for IPCop on this list. At home, I have > installed IPCop and dansguardian. There are very good howto's out there > on the IPCop site, and with IPCop the updates and everything are right > there on the site, and fairly automated with a web interface. The howto > I followed off the IPCop "addons" site have you using a combination of > dansguardian and the squidguard blacklists. I still haven't been able to > figure out how to tweak dansguardian so that it doesn't block too much, > but I'm figuring it out slowly but surely. I have my own teenagers here > at home, and get plenty of feedback. <-snip> > Rita Gibson > Tech Support > RMSEL > > I'm familiar with smoothwall which ipcop was forked from. I'm going to take a good look at this solution.... Michael -- Michael Williams Haywood County Schools Technology Director Instructional Technology http://www.haywood.k12.nc.us (828) 627-8314 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From mwilliams at haywood.k12.nc.us Thu Oct 21 16:53:55 2004 From: mwilliams at haywood.k12.nc.us (Michael Williams) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 12:53:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Squid & Content filtering In-Reply-To: References: <34012.68.115.172.62.1098362100.squirrel@68.115.172.62> Message-ID: <32986.68.115.172.62.1098377635.squirrel@68.115.172.62> > I like Smoothwall with Dansguardian and ClamAV. The how do is at > http://www.smoothwall.org with the how to for Dansguardian with ClamAV at > http://community.smoothwall.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8488 I use it here > at > home with my two kids and it works great. The install is very easy with a > old PC and two network cards. It can also be setup to monitor AIM and MSN > messenger. The how to for this is at > http://community.smoothwall.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3351 > > Phil Benson > Embroidery Nation > http://www.embroiderynation.com/ Being familiar with Smoothwall I started there and within a few minutes had it up and running. I've now added dansguardian and it works, just a couple of issues with the gui being added to smoothwall gui, but for the most part it's doing what I needed to do. I'm going to set up a VPN to connect me back into our WAN this afternoon. I have had to relocate my offices and our alternative HS to a temporary location due to the floods we had a couple of weeks ago. Still working out of cardboard boxes and determining what equipment is good and bad. One of our guys took some pictures and posted them at http://foto.bz if anyone is interested. Thanks to all for your suggestions.. Michael -- Michael Williams Haywood County Schools Technology Director Instructional Technology http://www.haywood.k12.nc.us (828) 627-8314 From cwagnon at bryantschools.org Thu Oct 21 17:36:56 2004 From: cwagnon at bryantschools.org (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 12:36:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Long time no see! (comment-test) Message-ID: If this message goes through....it means I've got my mail server moved off our DSL line and off the K12OSN blacklist! So this won't be a complete waste of list space....anyone have any experience with squid and antivirus filtering? I've seen a few but haven't played with any of the wrappers. Any preferences? Caleb Wagnon Network Administrator Bryant Public Schools (501)847-5631 ext:2001 From trondrm at online.no Thu Oct 21 18:02:58 2004 From: trondrm at online.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Trond_M=E6hlum?=) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 20:02:58 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] icewm removed from login screen In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200410211802.i9LI2xvm006286@mail44.nsc.no> I got the nice idea to upgrade icewm on my K12LTSP 4.0.1 server. I did apt-get install icewm and the upgrade went smoothly. Or so it seemed. I had gdm using icewm as the only possible choice at login. After the apt-get install, it has been removed from the list of choices. I'm now stuck with only fail-safe. How can I restore this? Can I remove my apt sources and reinstall the original icewm that came with 4.0.1? Will that put itself back into gdm or kdm? Icewm is gone from kdm aswell... I have to get this fixed tomorrow. So if I can't fix it, I have to reinstall... But I'm sure there's a way to make things right again. Regards Trond M?hlum From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Oct 21 18:11:43 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 11:11:43 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] icewm removed from login screen In-Reply-To: <200410211802.i9LI2xvm006286@mail44.nsc.no> References: <200410211802.i9LI2xvm006286@mail44.nsc.no> Message-ID: <4177FBDF.70806@paasda.org> /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf DefaultSession=IceWM.desktop ??? there might have been more to it but that rings a bell Trond M?hlum wrote: >I got the nice idea to upgrade icewm on my K12LTSP 4.0.1 server. I did >apt-get install icewm and the upgrade went smoothly. Or so it seemed. > >I had gdm using icewm as the only possible choice at login. After the >apt-get install, it has been removed from the list of choices. I'm now >stuck with only fail-safe. How can I restore this? Can I remove my apt >sources and reinstall the original icewm that came with 4.0.1? Will that >put itself back into gdm or kdm? Icewm is gone from kdm aswell... > >I have to get this fixed tomorrow. So if I can't fix it, I have to >reinstall... But I'm sure there's a way to make things right again. > >Regards >Trond M?hlum > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From trondrm at online.no Thu Oct 21 18:11:37 2004 From: trondrm at online.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Trond_M=E6hlum?=) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 20:11:37 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] icewm removed from login screen In-Reply-To: <4177FBDF.70806@paasda.org> Message-ID: <200410211811.i9LIBYKl025376@mail46.nsc.no> k12osn-bounces at redhat.com wrote: > /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf > > DefaultSession=IceWM.desktop ??? > > there might have been more to it but that rings a bell I have to look at it tomorrow, but I think that the icewm files were missing from the Session folders. I think I got icewm for another apt repository than k12ltsp, so it destroyed the fantastic k12ltsp integration of icewm. Therefore, I wonder if reinstalling icewm from either the cd or a k12ltsp apt source will put the icewm files back were they should be. Trond > Trond M?hlum wrote: > >> I got the nice idea to upgrade icewm on my K12LTSP 4.0.1 server. I >> did apt-get install icewm and the upgrade went smoothly. Or so it >> seemed. >> >> I had gdm using icewm as the only possible choice at login. After the >> apt-get install, it has been removed from the list of choices. I'm >> now stuck with only fail-safe. How can I restore this? Can I remove >> my apt sources and reinstall the original icewm that came with >> 4.0.1? Will that put itself back into gdm or kdm? Icewm is gone from >> kdm aswell... >> >> I have to get this fixed tomorrow. So if I can't fix it, I have to >> reinstall... But I'm sure there's a way to make things right again. >> >> Regards >> Trond M?hlum >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From pvdw at criticalcontrol.com Thu Oct 21 18:49:41 2004 From: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com (Pete) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 12:49:41 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] icewm removed from login screen In-Reply-To: <4177FBDF.70806@paasda.org> References: <200410211802.i9LI2xvm006286@mail44.nsc.no> <4177FBDF.70806@paasda.org> Message-ID: <417804C5.2030807@criticalcontrol.com> Huck wrote: > /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf > DefaultSession=IceWM.desktop ??? > > there might have been more to it but that rings a bell > Check that and also make sure there is a icewm.desktop file in /etc/X11/dm/sessions directory (There should be a default icewm.desktop file in /usr/share/xsessions) In the /etc/X11/dm/sessions/icewm.desktop make sure there is NO line that says Hidden=true Good luck -- Any technology distinguishable from foodoo-magic is insufficiently advanced. Peter Van den Wildenbergh Linux Administrator (& advocate) CriticalControl Solutions Inc. Bow Valley Square II Suite 2400 205 - 5th avenue SW Calgary, AB T2P 2V7 From pvdw at criticalcontrol.com Thu Oct 21 18:53:02 2004 From: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com (Pete) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 12:53:02 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] icewm removed from login screen In-Reply-To: <417804C5.2030807@criticalcontrol.com> References: <200410211802.i9LI2xvm006286@mail44.nsc.no> <4177FBDF.70806@paasda.org> <417804C5.2030807@criticalcontrol.com> Message-ID: <4178058E.8050706@criticalcontrol.com> Pete wrote: > Huck wrote: > >> /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf DefaultSession=IceWM.desktop ??? >> >> there might have been more to it but that rings a bell >> > Check that and also make sure there is a icewm.desktop file in > /etc/X11/dm/sessions directory > (There should be a default icewm.desktop file in /usr/share/xsessions) > > In the /etc/X11/dm/sessions/icewm.desktop > make sure there is NO line that says Hidden=true > > Good luck > Forgot this link : http://www.5z.com/jirka/gdm-reference.pdf Pete From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Thu Oct 21 19:46:05 2004 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 14:46:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] moving /home to separate drive In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20041021085904.01c4e690@pop.easystreet.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20041021085904.01c4e690@pop.easystreet.com> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Drop in a new drive, and partition/format. (use whatever tools you need here) Then mount your new drive with this mkdir /mnt/newdrive mount /dev/sd(x) /mnt/newdrive Go to single user mode and copy all your data over (cp -a /home /mnt/newdrive). Unmount /home, change the fstab file to reflect your new home drive/partition and remount. You should now be able to use the old home drive/partition for something else. Now you should be able to choose to NOT erase the new /home partition when you to a clean install of 4.1 Anyone have something else to add? On Oct 21, 2004, at 11:02 AM, Carl Keil wrote: > Does anyone have any tips for moving /home to a separate drive and > then upgrading to 4.1 without losing all the /home data? > > Anybody got a step by step procedure written down for doing this? > > Thanks so much, > > ck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkF4Ef0ACgkQfqZR3ThMfXQGlACfc1U1Qsyy8u3/FOGzhvwMtCdb bGMAn2l33r2wonvYxBMMbORZ5//hKhVq =myB7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dalen at czexan.net Thu Oct 21 20:02:20 2004 From: dalen at czexan.net (dale) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 15:02:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] moving /home to separate drive In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20041021085904.01c4e690@pop.easystreet.com> Message-ID: <417815CC.6070003@czexan.net> Burke Almquist wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Drop in a new drive, and partition/format. (use whatever tools you need > here) Then mount your new drive with this > mkdir /mnt/newdrive mount /dev/sd(x) /mnt/newdrive > > Go to single user mode and copy all your data over (cp -a /home > /mnt/newdrive). > Unmount /home, change the fstab file to reflect your new home > drive/partition and remount. > You should now be able to use the old home drive/partition for something > else. > Now you should be able to choose to NOT erase the new /home partition > when you to a clean install of 4.1 > > Anyone have something else to add? Everything sounds good. I would add that if you need to keep downtime to a minimum, you can replace cp with 2 runs of rsync. rsync old home to new home once while the server is in normal mode (3 or 5). Then bring it into single user mode and rsync again. The second run of rsync will be short as only a few files should be different. I used this method in the past when upgrading a harddrive on my mail server. Thanks, Dale From trondrm at online.no Thu Oct 21 20:07:53 2004 From: trondrm at online.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Trond_M=E6hlum?=) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 22:07:53 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] icewm removed from login screen In-Reply-To: <417804C5.2030807@criticalcontrol.com> Message-ID: <200410212007.i9LK7oce002544@mail44.nsc.no> k12osn-bounces at redhat.com wrote: > Huck wrote: > >> /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf >> DefaultSession=IceWM.desktop ??? >> >> there might have been more to it but that rings a bell >> > Check that and also make sure there is a icewm.desktop file > in /etc/X11/dm/sessions directory (There should be a default > icewm.desktop file in /usr/share/xsessions) > > In the /etc/X11/dm/sessions/icewm.desktop > make sure there is NO line that says Hidden=true All those icewm.desktop files are gone. Trond > Good luck From pvdw at criticalcontrol.com Thu Oct 21 20:23:31 2004 From: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com (Pete) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 14:23:31 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] icewm removed from login screen In-Reply-To: <200410212007.i9LK7oce002544@mail44.nsc.no> References: <200410212007.i9LK7oce002544@mail44.nsc.no> Message-ID: <41781AC3.3070102@criticalcontrol.com> Trond M?hlum wrote: >>Check that and also make sure there is a icewm.desktop file >>in /etc/X11/dm/sessions directory (There should be a default >>icewm.desktop file in /usr/share/xsessions) >> >>In the /etc/X11/dm/sessions/icewm.desktop >>make sure there is NO line that says Hidden=true >> >> > >All those icewm.desktop files are gone. > > > Auch... Here is a backup ;-) [ltsp Sessions]$ more IceWM.desktop [Desktop Entry] Encoding=UTF-8 Name=IceWM Comment=IceWM Exec=/etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/IceWM # no icon yet, only the top three are currently used Icon= Type=Application Do you have the IceWM in /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions ??? Pete From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Thu Oct 21 20:37:28 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:37:28 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] FreeNX setup for Fedora 2...K12LTSP? Try this... Message-ID: Hey all, Right now all I have is a production server, but I may try this on a sandbox in a couple days....here's the deal....I'm interested in getting FreeNX running on K12LTSP. If you don't know anything about NX....I urge you to go to the www.nomachine.com web site and sign up for a free trial and connect to one of their remote servers via the client. Given the specs of the server....in Italy no less....the speed was quite good. Anyway...the free Open Source version is FreeNX and there are instructions for putting it on Fedora Core 2 (and others if you uncomment lines) here http://fedoranews.org/contributors/rick_stout/freenx/ If anyone gets a chance to try it out...let me know how you made out....if you were successful I might give it a go on my production server....it runs on sshd so it may be a way for us to offer off site access to our servers....or by use of a WAN. Knoppix now comes with the client. But the client is free for all OS's. Check the site out....does anyone see why it wouldn't work on a stock K12LTSP server? (as another method of distributing the session?) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From adammelancon at gmail.com Thu Oct 21 20:33:02 2004 From: adammelancon at gmail.com (Adam Melancon) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 15:33:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] FreeNX setup for Fedora 2...K12LTSP? Try this... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <489287610410211333d2f9439@mail.gmail.com> If you want to try freeNX out, it is included in the latest copy of Knoppix. I have tried it out from the Knoppix CD, and I was amazed. http://www.knoppix.net On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:37:28 -0400, David Trask wrote: > Hey all, > > Right now all I have is a production server, but I may try this on a > sandbox in a couple days....here's the deal....I'm interested in getting > FreeNX running on K12LTSP. If you don't know anything about NX....I urge > you to go to the www.nomachine.com web site and sign up for a free trial > and connect to one of their remote servers via the client. Given the > specs of the server....in Italy no less....the speed was quite good. > Anyway...the free Open Source version is FreeNX and there are instructions > for putting it on Fedora Core 2 (and others if you uncomment lines) here > > http://fedoranews.org/contributors/rick_stout/freenx/ > > If anyone gets a chance to try it out...let me know how you made out....if > you were successful I might give it a go on my production server....it > runs on sshd so it may be a way for us to offer off site access to our > servers....or by use of a WAN. Knoppix now comes with the client. But > the client is free for all OS's. Check the site out....does anyone see > why it wouldn't work on a stock K12LTSP server? (as another method of > distributing the session?) > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Adam Melancon Work: http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us Personal: http://www.melancon.org From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Thu Oct 21 20:42:56 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:42:56 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Long time no see! (comment-test) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: welcome back Caleb! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Thu Oct 21 20:42:56 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:42:56 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Long time no see! (comment-test) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: welcome back Caleb! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From rfreidel at computergeex.com Thu Oct 21 20:35:16 2004 From: rfreidel at computergeex.com (Ron Freidel) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 20:35:16 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Long time no see! (comment-test) Message-ID: <20041021.Q7g.96670700@192.168.10.16> If you meant email server antivirus filtering I usually use clamav along with mailscanner, it not only scans email for virus but also for spam. I have a few content filtering firewalls setup with squid/dansguardian, its not too difficult to setup and doesnt take too powerful a machine, at least for a network of about 40 users a p3 1gig with a gig of ram will do it quite nicely. Caleb Wagnon (cwagnon at bryantschools.org) wrote: > > If this message goes through....it means I've got my mail server moved > off our DSL line and off the K12OSN blacklist! > > So this won't be a complete waste of list space....anyone have any > experience with squid and antivirus filtering? I've seen a few but > haven't played with any of the wrappers. Any preferences? > > Caleb Wagnon > Network Administrator > Bryant Public Schools > (501)847-5631 ext:2001 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Ron Freidel This space intentionally left blank. http://leroy.homeunix.org From les at futuresource.com Thu Oct 21 20:58:50 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 15:58:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] moving /home to separate drive In-Reply-To: <417815CC.6070003@czexan.net> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20041021085904.01c4e690@pop.easystreet.com> <417815CC.6070003@czexan.net> Message-ID: <1098392330.5022.15.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2004-10-21 at 15:02, dale wrote: > > Now you should be able to choose to NOT erase the new /home partition > > when you to a clean install of 4.1 > > > > Anyone have something else to add? > Everything sounds good. I would add that if you need to keep downtime > to a minimum, you can replace cp with 2 runs of rsync. rsync old home > to new home once while the server is in normal mode (3 or 5). Then > bring it into single user mode and rsync again. The second run of rsync > will be short as only a few files should be different. I used this > method in the past when upgrading a harddrive on my mail server. A few more thoughts: /home doesn't really need to be a separate drive, just a separate partition so you can tell the installer not to format it. Also, after you remount a new partition on top of the existing /home directory (if it wasn't a mount point before) you won't be able to access the files under it or remove them to recover the space. To avoid that issue, rename the old /home directory and make a new empty one just before you reboot with the changed /etc/fstab. After you see that the other partition mounted properly and has the correct contents you can remove the old renamed copy. Be sure you have a backup... I'll plug backuppc running nightly on a desktop PC with a big IDE drive again as the most painless way to have up to date backups. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From ksj2010 at myrealbox.com Thu Oct 21 21:10:53 2004 From: ksj2010 at myrealbox.com (KJ) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:10:53 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Squid & Content filtering Message-ID: <417825DD.8070606@myrealbox.com> Adam (et al), Thank you for your suggestions, the how-to below was particularly helpful. I am curious about one note that is referenced. "If you were running a transparent redirect in your Cisco router" - I am not running any redirects anywhere, it goes pretty much like this. Internet -> Cable Modem -> Router/Firewall-> "External" NIC-> LTSP Box Internal NIC -> LTSP Box LTSP connections web browsing. Is there something that I need to do to get all traffic routed through the squid & squidguardian? Am I making any sense? Thank you all again! KJ I don't know if this helps, but I wrote this squidguard how-to when replacing our iprism web filter here at the library. http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us/sysadminsite/squidguard/ Enjoy! > KJ wrote: > > > Hello, I have installed (Finally!) K12 LTSP and it is working > > great! I had a bad CD player, took me weeks to figure that out > > (I'm not worthy to be a geek anymore!) :-) > > > > Now my question is Squid and Content filtering. I have been unable > > to get Squid to work, I'm not really sure where to look or what to > > do to get started, can anyone point me in the right direction? > > (ie. websites with HOWTO's or something) I'd really appreciate it. > > > > > > Also if you can tell me what you use for content filtering and what > > seems to be the best, I'd really appreciate it! From adammelancon at gmail.com Thu Oct 21 21:20:15 2004 From: adammelancon at gmail.com (Adam Melancon) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:20:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Squid & Content filtering In-Reply-To: <417825DD.8070606@myrealbox.com> References: <417825DD.8070606@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <4892876104102114204037820b@mail.gmail.com> Looking at how your network is setup, it looks like you will need to have iptables do a redirect, to redirect all of the port 80 traffic that is comming in on the internal port to port 3180 where it will then become filtered. Look up iptables transparent proxy in google. On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:10:53 -0400, KJ wrote: > Adam (et al), > Thank you for your suggestions, the how-to below was particularly > helpful. I am curious about one note that is referenced. > > "If you were running a transparent redirect in your Cisco router" - I am > not running any redirects anywhere, it goes pretty much like this. > > Internet -> > Cable Modem -> > Router/Firewall-> > "External" NIC-> LTSP Box > Internal NIC -> LTSP Box > LTSP connections web browsing. > > Is there something that I need to do to get all traffic routed through > the squid & squidguardian? > > Am I making any sense? > Thank you all again! > KJ > > > I don't know if this helps, but I wrote this squidguard how-to when > replacing our iprism web filter here at the library. > http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us/sysadminsite/squidguard/ > Enjoy! > > > > > KJ wrote: > > > > > Hello, I have installed (Finally!) K12 LTSP and it is working > > > great! I had a bad CD player, took me weeks to figure that out > > > (I'm not worthy to be a geek anymore!) :-) > > > > > > Now my question is Squid and Content filtering. I have been unable > > > to get Squid to work, I'm not really sure where to look or what to > > > do to get started, can anyone point me in the right direction? > > > (ie. websites with HOWTO's or something) I'd really appreciate it. > > > > > > > > > Also if you can tell me what you use for content filtering and what > > > seems to be the best, I'd really appreciate it! > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Adam Melancon Work: http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us Personal: http://www.melancon.org From lesbell at lesbell.com.au Thu Oct 21 21:26:29 2004 From: lesbell at lesbell.com.au (Les Bell) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 07:26:29 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] moving /home to separate drive Message-ID: Carl Keil wrote: >> Does anyone have any tips for moving /home to a separate drive and then upgrading to 4.1 without losing all the /home data? << The technique that I use is written up at http://www.lesbell.com.au/Home.nsf/b8ec57204f60dfcb4a2568c60014ed0f/afacf84c37721578ca256b64001c33c9?OpenDocument For a discussion of what goes where on a Linux system, along with guidance on why some directory trees might usefully be separate filesystems, see http://www.lesbell.com.au/Home.nsf/b8ec57204f60dfcb4a2568c60014ed0f/87cd60bdf18a2a75ca256caf001594b4?OpenDocument Best, --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP [http://www.lesbell.com.au] From pvdw at criticalcontrol.com Thu Oct 21 22:16:48 2004 From: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com (Pete) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:16:48 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] FreeNX setup for Fedora 2...K12LTSP? Try this... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41783550.7030306@criticalcontrol.com> David Trask wrote: >Hey all, > >Right now all I have is a production server, but I may try this on a >sandbox in a couple days....here's the deal....I'm interested in getting >FreeNX running on K12LTSP. If you don't know anything about NX....I urge >you to go to the www.nomachine.com web site and sign up for a free trial >and connect to one of their remote servers via the client. Given the >specs of the server....in Italy no less....the speed was quite good. >Anyway...the free Open Source version is FreeNX and there are instructions >for putting it on Fedora Core 2 (and others if you uncomment lines) here > > http://fedoranews.org/contributors/rick_stout/freenx/ > >If anyone gets a chance to try it out...let me know how you made out....if >you were successful I might give it a go on my production server....it >runs on sshd so it may be a way for us to offer off site access to our >servers....or by use of a WAN. Knoppix now comes with the client. But >the client is free for all OS's. Check the site out....does anyone see >why it wouldn't work on a stock K12LTSP server? (as another method of >distributing the session?) > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >(207)923-3100 > > > Check http://ltsp.criticalcontrol.com on the bottom is a how-to install the FreeNX server from scratch. The rpm's work just fine (make sure you remove everything from a source install if you try the rpm's including users that get created) I had nxviewer working on a client inside a gnome session. It would be nice to have X-compression between server and DCs, this would require a special screen script I think. Pete -- Any technology distinguishable from foodoo-magic is insufficiently advanced. Peter Van den Wildenbergh Linux Administrator (& advocate) CriticalControl Solutions Inc. Bow Valley Square II Suite 2400 205 - 5th avenue SW Calgary, AB T2P 2V7 From Asad.Joheb at tcs.com Thu Oct 21 22:30:12 2004 From: Asad.Joheb at tcs.com (Asad.Joheb at tcs.com) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 04:00:12 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Asad Joheb is out of the office. Message-ID: I will be out of the office starting 10/22/2004 and will not return until 10/25/2004. I will respond to your message when I return. 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From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Thu Oct 21 23:57:53 2004 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:57:53 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC Reflector In-Reply-To: <1098305376.30422.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20041020202704.732327354C@hormel.redhat.com> <1098305376.30422.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: > I tried to get some info on VNC Relector and the link is not currently > working. I got the new document, and have followed it, but am not able to get it to work. 1. The "]# make" command didn't work for me, so I didn't know how to create the vncreflector command. I googled and then downloaded another rpm of vnc-reflector at http://rpm.pbone.net/index.php3/stat/4/idpl/1194414/com/vncreflector-1.2.4-0.1.fc2.dag.i386.rpm.html and was then able to issue the vncreflector command. 2. I think I followed the rest of the instructions correctly, but when I tried to run "]# vncviewer localhost:99" and enter in the full control password, I get the following: ============= VNC viewer for X version 4.0 - built Aug 27 2004 09:46:58 Copyright (C) 2002-2004 RealVNC Ltd. See http://www.realvnc.com for information on VNC. Thu Oct 21 16:30:04 2004 CConn: connected to host localhost port 5999 CConnection: Server supports RFB protocol version 3.3 CConnection: Using RFB protocol version 3.3 Thu Oct 21 16:30:08 2004 CConnection: Authentication failure main: Authentication failure =============== I then get the same authentication failures trying to log in as the "student." Have you encountered this? I am running K12LTSP 4.1.1 (FC2). Steve -- Steve Hargadon 916-652-8600 ext. 711 From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Fri Oct 22 02:11:00 2004 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 19:11:00 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] USB mice problem Message-ID: <41786C34.7030507@elp.rr.com> Fedora core 1 K12LTSP 4.0.1 Dumpster boxes with USB 1.0 What do I need to do to either lts.conf or some place in Xfree86 to make this combination work? Thanks in advance Pat From robark at telus.net Fri Oct 22 05:11:42 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 22:11:42 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Woe is me: Onboard SCSI/RAID Controller In-Reply-To: <4174DF7F.2070608@redeemer.qld.edu.au> References: <416BC0D7.1040504@redeemer.qld.edu.au> <1097605166.416c202e3473b@webmail.telus.net> <4171E370.3050905@redeemer.qld.edu.au> <1098128015.41741a8f25eef@webmail.telus.net> <4174DF7F.2070608@redeemer.qld.edu.au> Message-ID: <4178968E.1020802@telus.net> UPDATE: I just checked intel's site http://downloadfinder.intel.com/scripts-df/Product_Filter.asp?ProductID=926 they DO have an up to date driver for their on board aic79xx. it's version 2.0.4. Justin Gibbs has 2.0.10 on his site though. Intel even has HOST RAID drivers for LINUX. Although I would stay away from it. Robert Arkiletian From samps at redjocks.com Fri Oct 22 06:36:42 2004 From: samps at redjocks.com (Samps) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 16:06:42 +0930 Subject: [K12OSN] Improve loading time for OOo In-Reply-To: <416B36F1.9000600@redjocks.com> References: <416B36F1.9000600@redjocks.com> Message-ID: <4178AA7A.8040607@redjocks.com> Samps wrote: > Just about ready to deploy four LTSP servers on our school network. Most > is working great. :-) > > OpenOffice loads a bit slow tho'. The reason for OOo slow-loading (50 seconds, consistently) was apparently caused by lack of internet access. A DNS lookup unsatisfied or the like. Today I deployed the LTSP servers and connected them, through our proxy server, to our Internet router and, as if by magic, OOo loads first program in less than fifteen seconds, subsequent programs instantly. Thanks for all the suggestions, some of which helped me solve other, probably unrelated, problems. cheers Samps From gary.frederick at jsoft.com Fri Oct 22 11:25:59 2004 From: gary.frederick at jsoft.com (Gary Frederick) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 06:25:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Upload to Apache In-Reply-To: <8F057578D21DBA4BB0CF32013A87ACED05F687@x-serv1.admin.jmc.ac.uk> References: <8F057578D21DBA4BB0CF32013A87ACED05F687@x-serv1.admin.jmc.ac.uk> Message-ID: <4178EE47.7090906@jsoft.com> Luke Maslany wrote: > Thank you both for your replies. > > SFTP: I'd forgotten about SFTP! This seems suitable and there are > graphical components that should please the students. Thank you for > this! > > WebDAV: If possible, I would very much like to get this working for the > same reasons you stated. Do you happen to know of any good resources I > could look at to get WebDAV working in this manner? I did not do a lot with it. I turned it on in Apache and have not done more. The parameter is documented in the docs for Apache as I remember. We use Mozilla/Nvu and it works great for us. I have not mesed with security. The web site is inside the firewall and the files are shared. Good luck. Gary > > > My thanks again, > > Luke Maslany > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Frederick [mailto:gary.frederick at jsoft.com] > Sent: 21 October 2004 13:37 > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Upload to Apache > > WebDAV is very easy to turn on. I like it because it has a 'natural' > feel, the kids can upload/download from a web site just like it was the > file system. And you can use it with OOo and other programs. > > Gary > > Burke Almquist wrote: > > >>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>Hash: SHA1 >> >>On Oct 21, 2004, at 2:39 AM, Luke Maslany wrote: >> >> >>>Unfortunately I am having some problems with Apache 2, namely in > > regards > >>>to uploading content to the site. I have enabled UserDir and I would >>>like students to be able to upload content to their individual area. >>> >>>I have considered either WebDAV or FTP. Which of these would be > > easiest > >>>to implement? >>> >> >>Why not use SFTP? >>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) >> >>iEYEARECAAYFAkF3pK4ACgkQfqZR3ThMfXQU3ACfbcmx75+Am0Z9ThaAmRD1hs2w >>H2wAnjM6fggnogxQ8MvTW2c4ZKs3GdvO >>=i3nn >>-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From quinn3 at qwest.net Fri Oct 22 12:29:46 2004 From: quinn3 at qwest.net (Quinn Smith) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 05:29:46 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Introduction/Question Message-ID: <000a01c4b832$dc512ec0$10052a43@pavilion> Hello-I am quinn smith 5th grade teacher at Buckman Elementary in Portland. With the help of some very kind people (freegeek.org, Paul Nelson, Eric Harris, and many others) I have a 12 client working LTSP lab in my classroom. I have several needs. First, I need to learn the basics of Linux/Fedora 2. I am a moderate Windows 9x user but the skill set doesn't appear transferable can someone offer a direction on developing basic skills. Secondly, I need to learn basic networking. I am familiar with the components of the basic network (wan/lan,nic,router, switch, etc..) but would appreciate a direction, link that can provide the development of a skill set. Thirdly, I would like to build some small form factor thin clients using Netvista boxes. Can someone recommend a source for lowcost (mini atx?) motherboards with built in audio/video/lan? Computer Geeks (compgeeks.com) has socket 370 celeron 500's for $10.50. Lastly, if you have or are considering building a lab in an elementary school lets connect and share knowledge (however limited it might be, at least on my part...). I am willing to help. Thank you to all who help. Especially to Paul and Eric and FreeGeeks.org. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org Fri Oct 22 13:20:39 2004 From: jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org (Jonathan Carter) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:20:39 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Floppy permission problem Message-ID: <41790927.60007@shuttleworthfoundation.org> Hi List I have a school running K12LTSP 3.1.2 (Red Hat 9). When they want to access a floppy using MToolsFM, they get an error that permission is denied to /dev/fd0. What is causes this, and how can I fix this. thanks and regards Jonathan From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Fri Oct 22 13:23:38 2004 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 14:23:38 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Introduction/Question In-Reply-To: <000a01c4b832$dc512ec0$10052a43@pavilion> References: <000a01c4b832$dc512ec0$10052a43@pavilion> Message-ID: <200410221423.38093.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> On Friday 22 Oct 2004 1:29 pm, Quinn Smith wrote: > First, I need to learn the basics of Linux/Fedora 2. I am a moderate > Windows 9x user but the skill set doesn't appear transferable can someone > offer a direction on developing basic skills. http://www.iosn.net/training/end-user-manual > Secondly, I need to learn basic networking. I am familiar with the > components of the basic network (wan/lan,nic,router, switch, etc..) but > would appreciate a direction, link that can provide the development of a > skill set. http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Networking-Overview-HOWTO.html http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Network-Install-HOWTO.html Other good Linix references are Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition at http://rute.2038bug.com/ Linux Documentation Project http://www.tldp.org/ -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From david at okgoodwill.org Fri Oct 22 13:38:36 2004 From: david at okgoodwill.org (David H. Barr) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 08:38:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Introduction/Question Message-ID: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E2820509F9@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> Doing some quick scanning through the usual suspects, I find the following: mATX Video / Audio onboard for about $25: http://www.arsenalpc.com/Details.asp?ItemId=2941 http://store.yahoo.com/justdeals/mewamwotvwoah.html ~333/300 Celeron's (no fan) for ~$10: http://www.starmicro.net/detail.aspx?ID=14 3.99 10 / 100's (ne2000 shoudl be linux compat.): http://www.shopampm.com/product_info.php?cPath=56_65_70_209&products_id= 267 http://www.awedeals.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=911 Good luck with your project, and tell iDeath over at FG.PDX I said hello again! Regards, -dhbarr. Around Friday, October 22, 2004 7:30 AM:, Quinn Smith wrote: > Hello-I am quinn smith 5th grade teacher at Buckman Elementary in > Portland. With the help of some very kind people (freegeek.org, Paul > Nelson, Eric Harris, and many others) I have a 12 client working LTSP > lab in my classroom. I have several needs. > > First, I need to learn the basics of Linux/Fedora 2. I am a moderate > Windows 9x user but the skill set doesn't appear transferable can > someone offer a direction on developing basic skills. > > Secondly, I need to learn basic networking. I am familiar with the > components of the basic network (wan/lan,nic,router, switch, etc..) > but would appreciate a direction, link that can provide the > development of a skill set. > > Thirdly, I would like to build some small form factor thin clients > using Netvista boxes. Can someone recommend a source for lowcost > (mini atx?) motherboards with built in audio/video/lan? Computer > Geeks (compgeeks.com) has socket 370 celeron 500's for $10.50. > > Lastly, if you have or are considering building a lab in an > elementary school lets connect and share knowledge (however limited > it might be, at least on my part...). I am willing to help. > > Thank you to all who help. Especially to Paul and Eric and > FreeGeeks.org. From accessys at smart.net Fri Oct 22 13:40:56 2004 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 09:40:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Changing OpenOffice Default printer In-Reply-To: <200410210850.25445.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> References: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D78420073F41@hhpmail.MEDIA.LOCAL> <200410210850.25445.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> Message-ID: On Thu, 21 Oct 2004, Martin Woolley wrote: > On Thursday 21 Oct 2004 12:48 am, Access Systems wrote: > > we have a HP laser printer and I can't get OO.o to set it as default, when > > in the printer set up the printer isn't listed, but when in a document I > > can go to "Printer settings" the HP printer is listed but not as default. > > Generic printer (the default) is just the lpr command. To change this you > want the OO spadmin. On my box it's /usr/bin/oopadmin. right and I go there but the printer driver is not listed, not sure where to find the )(@*&#$ driver for the printers that actually exist and are being used, and when I go to printer settings in a document they show up on the list and function properly, just trying to set one of them as default. ???? thanks Bob ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org Fri Oct 22 14:04:06 2004 From: aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org (aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 07:04:06 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Introduction/Question In-Reply-To: <000a01c4b832$dc512ec0$10052a43@pavilion> Message-ID: <3211986326.1098428646@[10.2.60.115]> > First, I need to learn the basics of Linux/Fedora 2. I am a moderate > Windows 9x user but the skill set doesn't appear transferable can someone > offer a direction on developing basic skills. Hi Quinn, You have come to the right place. If you want to get solid computer skills, linux can offer a lot. Plus it is really fun. The k12ltsp is also a great place to start. Other skills you have gained centainly apply. k12ltsp is not that far from ms windows on the surface and you might even fool your classmates into thinking they are using a Windows OS :) Check out ICE and the winxp theme. > Secondly, I need to learn basic networking. I am familiar with the > components of the basic network (wan/lan,nic,router, switch, etc..) but > would appreciate a direction, link that can provide the development of a > skill set. Smart small and don't bother with the old stuff. Get a grip on TCI/IP and what tools and services help you use this set of protocols to make devices on a network talk to each other. For example, the IPX protocol is old and proprietary and you may ever need it. ( Man, that hurts to say being a Novell person.) Don't waste your time. There are things that are nice to know, versus things you need to know. K12LTSP is a great tool to use to find out what you need to know. May I suggest another angle, learn what problems need solved with using computers. For example, How do usernames and passwords get made ? -- user management. What are good passwords ? -- security. What makes the thin client boot off the network and what services make this happen ? --- networking and services. What if I want my windows users to share the same username and password as my k12LTSP system ? ---- authentication and file systems and file and print sharing. Stuff like that. What is an "X" server and what are windows managers ? ---- huge in k12LTSP. > > Thirdly, I would like to build some small form factor thin clients using > Netvista boxes. Can someone recommend a source for lowcost (mini atx?) > motherboards with built in audio/video/lan? Computer Geeks > (compgeeks.com) has socket 370 celeron 500's for $10.50. No help here. I buy used gear from companies like Partstock.com or ebay. Dell Optiplex's with on-board ethernet ( PXE bootable) :) We remove the harddrives and uplug the CDROMs. No OS. Check out via's motherboards also. Many companies now sell thin stuff. Amer.com. I believe the days are gone when you can build gear cheaper than you can buy it. Fator in your time. What drew me to k12LTSP was...I started pulling old 486 and Pentium I's out of the closet and finding a way to make them boot off the network ( rom-o-matic ). I want to breathe new life into old hardware. > > Lastly, if you have or are considering building a lab in an elementary > school lets connect and share knowledge (however limited it might be, at > least on my part...). I am willing to help. Stop !!! this is my opinion, you must form your own. Quinn the biggest problem I see in the Elementary level and k12LTSP is lack of applications. That is windows only strength in my mind. Elementary schools run tons of multimedia software, AccReader, SuccessMaker, others... Most don't work under linux. School districts ( the industry ) in general need to start demanding native linux applications --- IBM get moving !!! Again Quinn please form your own opinion. I use my student input constantly. Students are pretty flexible. Adults ? now that is the problem :) I could use your help...What are the top 5 things a 5th grader wants from the computer they use at school ? 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. Have fun Quinn. Tom Ventresco Austintown Local Schools From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Oct 22 14:09:51 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:09:51 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Introduction/Question In-Reply-To: <000a01c4b832$dc512ec0$10052a43@pavilion> References: <000a01c4b832$dc512ec0$10052a43@pavilion> Message-ID: <417914AF.9030807@cmosnetworks.com> Quinn Smith wrote: > Hello-I am quinn smith 5th grade teacher at Buckman Elementary in > Portland. With the help of some very kind people (freegeek.org, Paul > Nelson, Eric Harris, and many others) I have a 12 client working LTSP > lab in my classroom. I have several needs. > > First, I need to learn the basics of Linux/Fedora 2. I am a moderate > Windows 9x user but the skill set doesn't appear transferable can > someone offer a direction on developing basic skills. > > Secondly, I need to learn basic networking. I am familiar with the > components of the basic network (wan/lan,nic,router, switch, etc..) > but would appreciate a direction, link that can provide the > development of a skill set. > > Thirdly, I would like to build some small form factor thin clients > using Netvista boxes. Can someone recommend a source for lowcost (mini > atx?) motherboards with built in audio/video/lan? Computer Geeks > (compgeeks.com) has socket 370 celeron 500's for $10.50. > > Lastly, if you have or are considering building a lab in an elementary > school lets connect and share knowledge (however limited it might be, > at least on my part...). I am willing to help. > > Thank you to all who help. Especially to Paul and Eric and FreeGeeks.org. Hello Quinn, and welcome to the world of Free Software! Having done the Windows-to-UNIX skill set conversion myself, I can tell you that you are in for a bit of a learning curve. It's just like when we had to learn DOS; there was a learning curve. As a former OS2/Windows NT junkie, I can tell you that it is quite doable. There's a great book called "UNIX System V Release 4: An Introduction" put out by Osborne Press that takes you through developing exactly this skillset. This was the book that I used to learn UNIX and GNU/Linux. Everything I learned from that book was transferable to, among other things, Red Hat Linux, including today's Fedora. The book goes not only into what the commands are, but *why* you would ever want to remember and use them in the first place. That's what helped me most. To learn basic networking, this is one of the few Microsoft (gasp!) books that I can recommend. Their "Networking Essentials" book is what I used back in my Windows NT 3.51 and 4.0 days. I found it written quite well. The other that I would *strongly* recommend for you is "Switched, Fast, and Gigabit Ethernet", put out by Macmillan Press. Don't let the thickness of the book scare you; it is very easy reading. Note that you will need to spend some "sweat equity" time learning this stuff, and that means playing around in a test environment with it, breaking it, and then getting yourself out of the mess that you made. That's the only way to learn, and it's also a major part of the fun of it. :-) Finally, I've already built a few labs, as have many others on this list, and we all will be happy to help you out. In my case, I'm using "old" Pentium-166's and Pentium-233's with 32MB DRAM (cost: $0 apiece), and they make terrific thin clients. These things have Soundblaster 16 sound cards, S3 Trio64 (aka "Diamond Stealth64") video cards, and 3Com 3C905 10/100 network cards. You might not have to spend any money at all on the thin clients if you can get your hands on some of these. --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Oct 22 14:16:38 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:16:38 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Introduction/Question In-Reply-To: <3211986326.1098428646@[10.2.60.115]> References: <3211986326.1098428646@[10.2.60.115]> Message-ID: <41791646.8040905@cmosnetworks.com> aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org wrote: >> school lets connect and share knowledge (however limited it might be, at >> least on my part...). I am willing to help. > > Lastly, if you have or are considering building a lab in an elementary > > Stop !!! this is my opinion, you must form your own. Quinn the > biggest problem I see in the Elementary level and k12LTSP is lack of > applications. That is windows only strength in my mind. Elementary > schools run tons of multimedia software, AccReader, SuccessMaker, > others... Most don't work under linux. School districts ( the > industry ) in general need to start demanding native linux > applications --- IBM get moving !!! Again Quinn please form your own > opinion. I use my student input constantly. Students are pretty > flexible. Adults ? now that is the problem :) It's here where I believe a Paul Nelson quote is appropriate. From http://www.redhat.com/advice/ask_pnelson.html: "RH: Name the killer OSS apps for education that exist today? That lack?" "PN: The real question is how should kids be using computers in schools? They should be gathering and analyzing information, using email to collaborate with learning partners around the world, using software to present their ideas for peer review and exploring the creative powers of computers in music and art. Isn't that just how we use software as adults? That's how kids need to use software. OSS has everything we need to do this and more right now. "Some educators will cite the lack of traditional educational packages for Linux that teach reading or math with funny rabbits that wink at you and say "Good job!" I just don't think we need to go there. Teachers don't need cute teaching applications. They just need computers that work and provide basic access to the software we all use everyday." I agree with Paul--a classroom teacher, remember--wholeheartedly on this. --TP From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Oct 22 14:18:17 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:18:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Floppy permission problem In-Reply-To: <41790927.60007@shuttleworthfoundation.org> References: <41790927.60007@shuttleworthfoundation.org> Message-ID: <417916A9.1000103@cmosnetworks.com> Jonathan Carter wrote: > Hi List > > I have a school running K12LTSP 3.1.2 (Red Hat 9). When they want to > access a floppy using MToolsFM, they get an error that permission is > denied to /dev/fd0. > > What is causes this, and how can I fix this. > > thanks and regards > Jonathan > Are they inadvertently trying to access the server's floppy drive? Another thing to check is if local floppy support is turned on in lts.conf. --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From trondrm at online.no Fri Oct 22 17:52:44 2004 From: trondrm at online.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Trond_M=E6hlum?=) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 19:52:44 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] icewm removed from login screen In-Reply-To: <41781AC3.3070102@criticalcontrol.com> Message-ID: <200410221752.i9MHqfKp017175@mail42.nsc.no> k12osn-bounces at redhat.com wrote: > Trond M?hlum wrote: > >>> Check that and also make sure there is a icewm.desktop file in >>> /etc/X11/dm/sessions directory (There should be a default >>> icewm.desktop file in /usr/share/xsessions) >>> >>> In the /etc/X11/dm/sessions/icewm.desktop >>> make sure there is NO line that says Hidden=true >>> >>> >> >> All those icewm.desktop files are gone. >> >> >> > Auch... > > Here is a backup ;-) Thank you. IceWM is restored :-) Trond From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Fri Oct 22 21:06:27 2004 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 17:06:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Introduction/Question In-Reply-To: <20041022141036.7AB1973887@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20041022141036.7AB1973887@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1098479187.4994.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hello Quinn, I agree with the comment about Networking Essentials from M$. It is good and it is one of a few books I saved from my day's of studying for MS Certification. Take a look at this site - http://www.basiclinux.net/ It's a great place to start. John From debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au Sat Oct 23 04:42:50 2004 From: debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au (Debbie Schiel) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 14:42:50 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Woe is me: Onboard SCSI/RAID Controller Message-ID: <4179E14A.7040702@redeemer.qld.edu.au> Hi Robert, I have installed 4.0.1 now. You said it had fedora core 1 and the correct drivers and you were right, it all works. Plus I've booted a client off it and I'm happy about that. I did 'ifconfig' and it brought up eth0 and loopback but no eth1. Then i tried 'lspci' and it brought up a whole heap of stuff that I can't make sense of. In Hardware browser under network devices it just lists the gigabit ethernet, nothing else. In the G700 handbook the diagrams show one RDM LAN port (10mbps) and one Gigabit LAN port (10/100/1000 Mbps)... eth1 is supposed to be 10/100 isn't it not just 10? So is that where the problem lies? Not impressed with G700 if that's the case - I asked for a server with two nics ready to go... Do I have to install another network card into the server to get my eth1? Thanks, Debbie Robert Arkiletian wrote: > Debbie Schiel wrote: > >>> >>> Which version of k12ltsp did you try the dud disk with before 3.1.2? >>> >> >> I tried my original 4.1.0 and then the 4.1.1 > > > > > I just checked Mr. Gibbs site. > http://people.freebsd.org/~gibbs/linux/DUD/aic79xx/ > He has DUD disks for the following distros > > rh Redhat > rhel Redhat Enterprise Linux > sl SUSE linux > sles SUSE linux enterprise server > ul United linux (i think) > > I don't see any for Fedora Core so I'm not surprised the DUD did not work. > >>> Did you use the dud disk with 3.1.2? >>> >> >> No I didn't need it with 3.1.2. RH installed the driver all automatically. >> > > I hate to tell you this but the driver that comes with RH9 is old. It may work but I am not using it. I read people had problems with it. I used Mr. Gibbs DUD disk for RH9 i686 with 3.1.2 > I just did a search and I think even 4.0.1 (FC1) with kernel 2.4.22 should have it too. Check this out > > http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/779 > > search for aic79xx > So only 3.1.2 needs the DUD not because it won't work, but because the driver is old. Try this > > cat /proc/scsi/aic79xx/0 > > to see what version you are using. If it's before 1.3.8 I think it's too old. This is my guess, not my experience. I am using 1.3.11 > >> Yes - problems there - The hardware browser picks up only ONE network card but I know there are two... > > > > > Hmm. try > > su - > # ifconfig -a > > or > > #lspci -vv > > to tell you about attached devices. I know they will work with Slackware. type > "man lspci" or "man ifconfig" if you want to know more about them. > >> Thanks Robert. I think it's fantastic that everyone has so much advice and expertize to offer and does so gladly. > > > > > No problem. This is what FOSS is all about. > > > Robert Arkiletian > > -- http://www.redeemer.qld.edu.au/ From debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au Sat Oct 23 06:21:39 2004 From: debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au (Debbie Schiel) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 16:21:39 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] HD boot-Format 1722kb floppy on Fedora Core 2 Message-ID: <4179F873.4040208@redeemer.qld.edu.au> >Basically, you simply cat the EtherBoot floppy to your hard disk. >Here's how I did it. >Make your EtherBoot boot floppy. Grab something like Damn Small Linux >(http://www.damnsmalllinux.org) and burn the ISO image to a CD-R. Boot >your terminal with it. D.S.L. has actually been shown to allow GUI >access in 16MB DRAM on a 486!! (http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/486.html) >Of course, I would recommend no less than 32MB on the clients. > Once you're booted, pop your EtherBoot boot floppy in and do this: > root box# cat /dev/fd0 /dev/hda >Very cool solution, however most P-Is don't have a CDROM, would >blasting some old HD with the floppy image and then (ghost) copying on >to other drives work as well based on the same NIC in place? I'm joining in this conversation a bit late, but I have the same issue. We have lots of old PCs that can boot fine as clients via the floppy method, but how am I going to stop kids from messing with the floppies? It would be great to burn the floppy to the hard drive. I tried the method describe in : http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Technical:Booting:Client:LiLo but rom-o-matic don't have .lzlilo so I tried .zlilo and .liso. The .liso is 1.5mb so it doesn't fit on a floppy so I tried the zlilo and it didn't work (not the right type?) So I improvised. I used toms root boot, because these PCs don't have CDROMs, and then took the rom floppy (it normally boots the client up fine so I know it's the right one) and tried # cat /dev/fd0 /dev/hda .... The poor PC made a lot of beeping and crunching noises, and digits and stuff flashed up on the screen... I let it go on for another five minutes then I put the thing out of its misery. I also tried # cat /dev/fd0 /dev/hda1 I don't know what I'm doing here - just following instructions to the dot. Does anyone know where I'm going wrong? Thanks, Debbie -- http://www.redeemer.qld.edu.au/ From lesbell at lesbell.com.au Sat Oct 23 06:30:43 2004 From: lesbell at lesbell.com.au (Les Bell) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 16:30:43 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] HD boot-Format 1722kb floppy on Fedora Core 2 Message-ID: Debbie Schiel wrote: >> I used toms root boot, because these PCs don't have CDROMs, and then took the rom floppy (it normally boots the client up fine so I know it's the right one) and tried # cat /dev/fd0 /dev/hda .... << I've never done that stuff myself, so take my advice with a pinch of whatever. However, if you were trying to copy the contents of the floppy to the hard drive, the command should be cat /dev/fd0 > /dev/hda and you shouldn't see any rubbish on the screen. You could also use the dd command dd if=/dev/fd0 of=/dev/hda See if that helps. . . Best, --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP [http://www.lesbell.com.au] From debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au Sat Oct 23 06:59:04 2004 From: debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au (Debbie Schiel) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 16:59:04 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] HD boot-Format 1722kb floppy on Fedora Core 2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <417A0138.2090209@redeemer.qld.edu.au> Hi Les It worked... kinda... When I boot it now says Loading ROM image.. and then a row of numbers repeated over and over. BUT at least I know now how to copy the floppy to the hard drive. If I reboot with the same floppy still in, then it boots up as a client. But it doesn't seem to like it copied to the hard drive. I'll go back to rom-o-matic and try the other rom images... Thanks for the tip. Debbie Les Bell wrote: > Debbie Schiel wrote: > > > I used toms root boot, because these PCs don't have CDROMs, and then > took the rom floppy (it normally boots the client up fine so I know it's > the right one) and tried # cat /dev/fd0 /dev/hda .... > << > > I've never done that stuff myself, so take my advice with a pinch of > whatever. However, if you were trying to copy the contents of the floppy to > the hard drive, the command should be > > cat /dev/fd0 > /dev/hda > > and you shouldn't see any rubbish on the screen. You could also use the dd > command > > dd if=/dev/fd0 of=/dev/hda > > See if that helps. . . > > Best, > > --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP > [http://www.lesbell.com.au] > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- http://www.redeemer.qld.edu.au/ From debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au Sat Oct 23 08:43:31 2004 From: debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au (Debbie Schiel) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 18:43:31 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Woe is me: Onboard SCSI/RAID Controller In-Reply-To: <4179E14A.7040702@redeemer.qld.edu.au> References: <4179E14A.7040702@redeemer.qld.edu.au> Message-ID: <417A19B3.6090109@redeemer.qld.edu.au> > Do I have to install another network card into the server to get my eth1? > That's what I did and 'eth1' is now up and my server is on the net. :o) > > Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > > Debbie Schiel wrote: > > > >>> > >>> Which version of k12ltsp did you try the dud disk with before 3.1.2? > >>> > >> > >> I tried my original 4.1.0 and then the 4.1.1 > > > > > > > > > > I just checked Mr. Gibbs site. > > http://people.freebsd.org/~gibbs/linux/DUD/aic79xx/ > > He has DUD disks for the following distros > > > > rh Redhat > > rhel Redhat Enterprise Linux > > sl SUSE linux > > sles SUSE linux enterprise server > > ul United linux (i think) > > > > I don't see any for Fedora Core so I'm not surprised the DUD did not > work. > > > >>> Did you use the dud disk with 3.1.2? > >>> > >> > >> No I didn't need it with 3.1.2. RH installed the driver all > automatically. > >> > > > > I hate to tell you this but the driver that comes with RH9 is old. It > may work but I am not using it. I read people had problems with it. I > used Mr. Gibbs DUD disk for RH9 i686 with 3.1.2 > > I just did a search and I think even 4.0.1 (FC1) with kernel 2.4.22 > should have it too. Check this out > > > > http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/779 > > > > search for aic79xx > > So only 3.1.2 needs the DUD not because it won't work, but because > the driver is old. Try this > > > > cat /proc/scsi/aic79xx/0 > > > > to see what version you are using. If it's before 1.3.8 I think it's > too old. This is my guess, not my experience. I am using 1.3.11 > > > >> Yes - problems there - The hardware browser picks up only ONE > network card but I know there are two... > > > > > > > > > > Hmm. try > > > > su - > > # ifconfig -a > > > > or > > > > #lspci -vv > > > > to tell you about attached devices. I know they will work with > Slackware. type > > "man lspci" or "man ifconfig" if you want to know more about them. > > > >> Thanks Robert. I think it's fantastic that everyone has so much > advice and expertize to offer and does so gladly. > > > > > > > > > > No problem. This is what FOSS is all about. > > > > > > Robert Arkiletian > > > > > -- http://www.redeemer.qld.edu.au/ From cliebow at downeast.net Sat Oct 23 10:39:17 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow) Date: 23 Oct 2004 06:39:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] HD boot-Format 1722kb floppy on Fedora Core 2 In-Reply-To: <417A0138.2090209@redeemer.qld.edu.au> References: <417A0138.2090209@redeemer.qld.edu.au> Message-ID: <1098527957.6018.0.camel@leigh> sounds like your image is corrupt.. > Hi Les > > It worked... kinda... > When I boot it now says Loading ROM image.. and then a row of numbers > repeated over and over. BUT at least I know now how to copy the floppy > to the hard drive. If I reboot with the same floppy still in, then it > boots up as a client. But it doesn't seem to like it copied to the hard > drive. I'll go back to rom-o-matic and try the other rom images... > > Thanks for the tip. > > Debbie > > Les Bell wrote: > > Debbie Schiel wrote: > > > > > > I used toms root boot, because these PCs don't have CDROMs, and then > > took the rom floppy (it normally boots the client up fine so I know it's > > the right one) and tried # cat /dev/fd0 /dev/hda .... > > << > > > > I've never done that stuff myself, so take my advice with a pinch of > > whatever. However, if you were trying to copy the contents of the floppy to > > the hard drive, the command should be > > > > cat /dev/fd0 > /dev/hda > > > > and you shouldn't see any rubbish on the screen. You could also use the dd > > command > > > > dd if=/dev/fd0 of=/dev/hda > > > > See if that helps. . . > > > > Best, > > > > --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP > > [http://www.lesbell.com.au] > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > From ism at ywammt.org Sat Oct 23 17:56:44 2004 From: ism at ywammt.org (Joshua Sanders) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 11:56:44 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Homeserver crashed --> now X -won't start In-Reply-To: <1098527957.6018.0.camel@leigh> References: <417A0138.2090209@redeemer.qld.edu.au> <1098527957.6018.0.camel@leigh> Message-ID: <34419.10.1.2.1.1098554204.squirrel@email.ywammt.org> I have four servers running LTSP 4.1.1 all of which talk to a home server (Redhat 9.0) that contains everyone's home directories, (and which controls authentication via NIS.) We restarted homeserver yesterday at lunch because NIS authentication is not recogenizating on the stand alone machines we are building for remote locations... it has not been restarted in a long time so it asked for a file system check and came up with a bunch of inode errors - all of which it fixed. It came back up and authentication works great for servers running ltsp. But when someoen tried to log in, it starts X and then kicks them back out after about 2 seconds of trying to load. It gives a pointless error about "your session not lasting more than ten seconds..." I am stuck. Log in and authentication seem to be working because it startings... but it doesn't go any where. 1. when i log onto homsever locally with any user in NIS it works fine. (it is only on the ltsp servers that it kicks them back out to the log in screen. 2. their are not firewalls internally and ypserv is running fine 3. when i open OO on the homeserver the fonts are all size 50 or so and all out of proportion - I mention this because someone mentioned that I might have an error in my font server. (but I dont know what to check or how to fix it.) 4. I tried login on from tsclient to see if that made a difference and it exited out on a error not being able to load a font in my "/usr/X11R6/X11/fonts/CID/" any thoughts? joshua From pfaffman at gmail.com Sat Oct 23 19:27:39 2004 From: pfaffman at gmail.com (Jay Pfaffman) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 15:27:39 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] moving /home to separate drive In-Reply-To: <417815CC.6070003@czexan.net> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20041021085904.01c4e690@pop.easystreet.com> <417815CC.6070003@czexan.net> Message-ID: <932609800410231227637a33c5@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 15:02:20 -0500, dale wrote: > Burke Almquist wrote: > > Anyone have something else to add? If you are authenticating from this server, Be sure that you save /etc/passwd and friends (shadow, groups). It's a good idea to save a copy of /etc/. (Of course, it's a good idea to save a copy of everything. I do, once an hour and save copies for 2 hours, 2 days and 2 weeks.) -- Jay Pfaffman Asst Professor of Instructional Technology, U. TN, Knoxville Experimenting with gmail, please honor the Reply-To From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Sat Oct 23 21:49:24 2004 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 15:49:24 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] NIS user authenticated OK but nothing works Message-ID: Hello, Is the NIS problem fixed? I use my K12LTSP server 3.1.x to authenticate by NIS all of my standalone linux boxes... Things are working for me, so maybe I can help. I can tell you that my students DO get "I have no name" showing up in the an xterminal prompt, but everything does work just fine for my thousands of logons every day. Jim From bimalp at indoasian.com Sun Oct 24 06:04:48 2004 From: bimalp at indoasian.com (bimal pandit) Date: 24 Oct 2004 11:34:48 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Squid & Content filtering In-Reply-To: <4892876104102114204037820b@mail.gmail.com> References: <417825DD.8070606@myrealbox.com> <4892876104102114204037820b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1098597887.1571.7.camel@ltsp1a003.ltsp1a> have this from me ;) iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 3128 hope this will help you. bimal On Fri, 2004-10-22 at 02:50, Adam Melancon wrote: > Looking at how your network is setup, it looks like you will need to > have iptables do a redirect, to redirect all of the port 80 traffic > that is comming in on the internal port to port 3180 where it will > then become filtered. > Look up iptables transparent proxy in google. > > > On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:10:53 -0400, KJ wrote: > > Adam (et al), > > Thank you for your suggestions, the how-to below was particularly > > helpful. I am curious about one note that is referenced. > > > > "If you were running a transparent redirect in your Cisco router" - I am > > not running any redirects anywhere, it goes pretty much like this. > > > > Internet -> > > Cable Modem -> > > Router/Firewall-> > > "External" NIC-> LTSP Box > > Internal NIC -> LTSP Box > > LTSP connections web browsing. > > > > Is there something that I need to do to get all traffic routed through > > the squid & squidguardian? > > > > Am I making any sense? > > Thank you all again! > > KJ > > > > > > I don't know if this helps, but I wrote this squidguard how-to when > > replacing our iprism web filter here at the library. > > http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us/sysadminsite/squidguard/ > > Enjoy! > > > > > > > > > KJ wrote: > > > > > > > Hello, I have installed (Finally!) K12 LTSP and it is working > > > > great! I had a bad CD player, took me weeks to figure that out > > > > (I'm not worthy to be a geek anymore!) :-) > > > > > > > > Now my question is Squid and Content filtering. I have been unable > > > > to get Squid to work, I'm not really sure where to look or what to > > > > do to get started, can anyone point me in the right direction? > > > > (ie. websites with HOWTO's or something) I'd really appreciate it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Also if you can tell me what you use for content filtering and what > > > > seems to be the best, I'd really appreciate it! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > From debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au Sun Oct 24 07:57:44 2004 From: debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au (Debbie Schiel) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 17:57:44 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] HD boot-Format 1722kb floppy on Fedora Core 2 In-Reply-To: <1098527957.6018.0.camel@leigh> References: <417A0138.2090209@redeemer.qld.edu.au> <1098527957.6018.0.camel@leigh> Message-ID: <417B6078.5020202@redeemer.qld.edu.au> OK! This is where I was going wrong (for any newbies out there trying to do the same thing) I was following the method describe in http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Technical:Booting:Client:LiLo *excellent* instructions, step-by-step. Except when they say "5...copy [the rom] to a floppy..." THEY MEAN WHAT THEY SAY - COPY!! 'CP' NOT 'CAT' - DUH!! Takes me a while to figure these things out, but I seem to get there in the end. So my old Digital PCs can now boot, without a floppy, straight to my server - another milestone for me! cliebow wrote: > sounds like your image is corrupt.. > >>Hi Les >> >>It worked... kinda... >>When I boot it now says Loading ROM image.. and then a row of numbers >>repeated over and over. BUT at least I know now how to copy the floppy >>to the hard drive. If I reboot with the same floppy still in, then it >>boots up as a client. But it doesn't seem to like it copied to the hard >>drive. I'll go back to rom-o-matic and try the other rom images... >> >>Thanks for the tip. >> >>Debbie >> >>Les Bell wrote: >> >>>Debbie Schiel wrote: >>> >>> >>>I used toms root boot, because these PCs don't have CDROMs, and then >>>took the rom floppy (it normally boots the client up fine so I know it's >>>the right one) and tried # cat /dev/fd0 /dev/hda .... >>><< >>> >>>I've never done that stuff myself, so take my advice with a pinch of >>>whatever. However, if you were trying to copy the contents of the floppy to >>>the hard drive, the command should be >>> >>>cat /dev/fd0 > /dev/hda >>> >>>and you shouldn't see any rubbish on the screen. You could also use the dd >>>command >>> >>>dd if=/dev/fd0 of=/dev/hda >>> >>>See if that helps. . . >>> >>>Best, >>> >>>--- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP >>>[http://www.lesbell.com.au] >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- http://www.redeemer.qld.edu.au/ From quinn3 at qwest.net Sun Oct 24 17:35:33 2004 From: quinn3 at qwest.net (Quinn Smith) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 10:35:33 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Setting ICE as default for 4.1 Message-ID: <003401c4b9ef$df4e7600$c6a2e63f@pavilion> I have 4.1 running and would like to limit the program content available on the desktop. IceWM was demonstrated as a mean to limit program content on the desktop plus reduce overhead. I did a search for "set ice default." The directions read as follow 3.3 How to make IceWM my default window manager? In order to run IceWm, you must assure that the executable (called icewm) is in your path. You should then add IceWM to your X start-up script (which could be .xinitrc, .xsession, or .xclients) I need to understand -how to locate files (like xintrc etc...) -how to place the executable in the path (is this like DOS where you define the path to a file?) -how to set the default to IceWm. -how to modify IceWm to contain content I specifiy (Paul showed me a IceWm window with what appeared to be a "program name" and a "executable name" (that when typed launched the specified program). Finally thanks to the many that answered my Introduction/Questions. I will promptly set about reading the how to links and the books mentioned as well as ask my students for input on integrating the lab into their instruction. I appreciated the PN qoute about "the real question is how should kids be using computers in schools...?" Once again thank you. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Sun Oct 24 18:19:52 2004 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 11:19:52 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] This will probably get ignored too. Message-ID: <417BF248.5010109@elp.rr.com> Fedora core 1 K12LTSP 4.0.1 Dumpster boxes with USB 1.0 What do I need to do to either lts.conf or some place in Xfree86 to make this combination work? Thanks in advance Pat _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Sun Oct 24 18:30:40 2004 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 11:30:40 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Setting ICE as default for 4.1 In-Reply-To: <003401c4b9ef$df4e7600$c6a2e63f@pavilion> References: <003401c4b9ef$df4e7600$c6a2e63f@pavilion> Message-ID: <417BF4D0.1040806@parkrose.k12.or.us> Quinn Smith wrote: > I have 4.1 running and would like to limit the program content available > on the desktop. IceWM was demonstrated as a mean to limit program > content on the desktop plus reduce overhead. I did a search for "set ice > default." The directions read as follow Hi Quinn, I'm not sure if you'd remember me. I did some of my student teaching at Buckman in 98-99 w/ Tom and Carol. Not sure if you've attended the monthly Linux clinic put on at the Riverdale High School by Paul and Eric: http://server.riverdale.k12.or.us/~danh/ Re: Setting IceWM as the default: The K12LTSP wiki had some good Fedora-specifc on doing this. http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Forcing%20IceWM%20as%20the%20default%20under%20GDM%20in%20Fedora -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sun Oct 24 18:54:21 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 14:54:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] This will probably get ignored too. In-Reply-To: <417BF248.5010109@elp.rr.com> References: <417BF248.5010109@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <417BFA5D.1040401@cmosnetworks.com> John P. Conlon wrote: > Fedora core 1 K12LTSP 4.0.1 > > Dumpster boxes with USB 1.0 > > What do I need to do to either lts.conf or some place in Xfree86 to > make this combination work? > > Thanks in advance > Pat With a title like that, it should be! C'mon, be nice. It depends on the video boards in your dumpster boxes. What are they? --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From quinn3 at qwest.net Sun Oct 24 18:55:21 2004 From: quinn3 at qwest.net (Quinn Smith) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 11:55:21 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Setting ICE as default for 4.1 References: <003401c4b9ef$df4e7600$c6a2e63f@pavilion> <417BF4D0.1040806@parkrose.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <001601c4b9fb$05411e20$c6a2e63f@pavilion> Thanks Dan, No, I am sorry I don't remember. But thank you for the link. I have been to Paul and Eric's clinic. I visited last year and that prompted me to set a lab in my room. Without their help and others it would never have been accomplished. quinn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carl at snarlnet.com Sun Oct 24 19:19:02 2004 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 12:19:02 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] sata as secondary HD - server won't boot [OT] Message-ID: <000101c4b9fe$52e3d070$0701000a@winworkstation> Hey Folks, I dropped a sata drive in my Dell 400sc k12 server and got the home directory moved there. Rebooted a few times, everything was hunky dory, so I proceed with a clean reinstall of k12ltsp on the ata drive. Now, the server will only boot if the sata drive is disconnected. I think I hosed the proprietary MBR on the "C:" drive of the server(the original ata drive), so it thinks the sata is the "C:". (There is very annoying windows centricness in the BIOS where the "C:" is the only hard drive boot option.) I really feel like this is a bios boot order problem, but I need to be able to tell the dell to boot of the primary IDE before the sata. But wouldn't it go there when it didn't find anything bootable on the sata buss? Anyway, does anyone have a clue what to do? I need the sata back because it's got /home on it. ck From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sun Oct 24 20:15:07 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 16:15:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] sata as secondary HD - server won't boot [OT] In-Reply-To: <000101c4b9fe$52e3d070$0701000a@winworkstation> References: <000101c4b9fe$52e3d070$0701000a@winworkstation> Message-ID: <417C0D4B.7030900@cmosnetworks.com> Carl Keil wrote: >Hey Folks, > >I dropped a sata drive in my Dell 400sc k12 server and got the home >directory moved there. Rebooted a few times, everything was hunky dory, so >I proceed with a clean reinstall of k12ltsp on the ata drive. Now, the >server will only boot if the sata drive is disconnected. I think I hosed >the proprietary MBR on the "C:" drive of the server(the original ata drive), >so it thinks the sata is the "C:". (There is very annoying windows >centricness in the BIOS where the "C:" is the only hard drive boot option.) >I really feel like this is a bios boot order problem, but I need to be able >to tell the dell to boot of the primary IDE before the sata. But wouldn't >it go there when it didn't find anything bootable on the sata buss? Anyway, >does anyone have a clue what to do? I need the sata back because it's got >/home on it. > >ck > > I'm not familiar with this specific Dell model, but after searching their site, it looks like a new enough model that it should still be covered under the Dell warranty. Note, though, that Red Hat Linux 9.0 and RHEL 3.0 are actually listed as supported OS's, so just tell 'em you're running RHL 9. :-) There shouldn't be any "proprietary MBR" format, since Dell supports RHL on these beasties. Remember that Windows OS's themselves need to run on multiple types of boxes and mobo chipsets, and thus for that, MS stays pretty vanilla. Not to knock what you're saying; I'm just thinking that maybe there's a BIOS option that's getting overlooked. I just built a box w/ both ATA and SATA, and, just having fun going through the BIOS options, I discovered an option for "replace primary IDE channel with SATA." You might look for something like that as well. I agree with you on that there absolutely should be the ability to boot from the ATA drive even when one or more SATA drive(s) is/are present. If Dell support cannot or will not help you, then I'd suggest sending it back, getting your money back, and rolling your own. You *know* you'll have standard hardware that way, and I have yet to have a problem when going this route. If that happens, we on the list can give you plenty of inexpensive HW suggestions for K12LTSP. :-) BTW, I just built another Dual Athlon 2GHz w/ 4GB DRAM, this time using twin 160GB SATA drives for /home (software RAID 1) and one 40GB ATA drive for the OS. This thing is a freakin' monster! :-) I haven't tried any timing tests yet, but it sure feels fast as greased lightning, including for disk xfers. Yes, I know, SCSI RAID 5's better/faster, but since it came outta mah own pokket, SATA was good enough. All in a really cool case...for less than $2000. :-) --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From carl at snarlnet.com Sun Oct 24 20:36:34 2004 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 13:36:34 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] sata as secondary HD - server won't boot [OT] In-Reply-To: <417C0D4B.7030900@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <000201c4ba09$2770c370$0701000a@winworkstation> I totally hear what you're saying. There are a few problems when it comes to my individual situation though. I bought this dell on ebay, not through dell. It was only $349. I had to upgrade the RAM and I bought the sata drive, but still waaay shy of $2K. I've been going through the bios for hours and I don't see much. It is incredibly simplistic. Every option seems like either "auto" or "off". The thing that's killing me, I really believe is this "C:" drive as basically the only HD boot option in the "boot options" menu. There is a whole other menu you can go into on boot, called "boot options" if you hit F12 instead of F2 for the BIOS. When I hit F12 I can see a better list of boot options. Primary/Secondary SATA Primary/Secondary ATA etc. If I select Primary ATA from this list I boot up fine. This is going to have to work for a while for me, but I don't like not being able to just reboot and have it come up normally. I don't understand why I can't have this complete list in the normal BIOS. Is there some trick? I keep thinking there must be some kind of trick, like holding down the option key or something when going into the BIOS or something that puts it into expert mode, because the options are soooo limited. ck >-----Original Message----- >From: Terrell Prud?, Jr. [mailto:microman at cmosnetworks.com] >Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 1:15 PM >To: carl at snarlnet.com; Support list for opensource software in schools. >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] sata as secondary HD - server won't boot [OT] > > >Carl Keil wrote: > >>Hey Folks, >> >>I dropped a sata drive in my Dell 400sc k12 server and got the home >>directory moved there. Rebooted a few times, everything was >hunky dory, so >>I proceed with a clean reinstall of k12ltsp on the ata drive. > Now, the >>server will only boot if the sata drive is disconnected. I >think I hosed >>the proprietary MBR on the "C:" drive of the server(the >original ata drive), >>so it thinks the sata is the "C:". (There is very annoying windows >>centricness in the BIOS where the "C:" is the only hard drive >boot option.) >>I really feel like this is a bios boot order problem, but I >need to be able >>to tell the dell to boot of the primary IDE before the sata. >But wouldn't >>it go there when it didn't find anything bootable on the sata >buss? Anyway, >>does anyone have a clue what to do? I need the sata back >because it's got >>/home on it. >> >>ck >> >> > >I'm not familiar with this specific Dell model, but after searching >their site, it looks like a new enough model that it should still be >covered under the Dell warranty. Note, though, that Red Hat Linux 9.0 >and RHEL 3.0 are actually listed as supported OS's, so just tell 'em >you're running RHL 9. :-) > >There shouldn't be any "proprietary MBR" format, since Dell >supports RHL >on these beasties. Remember that Windows OS's themselves need >to run on >multiple types of boxes and mobo chipsets, and thus for that, MS stays >pretty vanilla. Not to knock what you're saying; I'm just >thinking that >maybe there's a BIOS option that's getting overlooked. I just built a >box w/ both ATA and SATA, and, just having fun going through the BIOS >options, I discovered an option for "replace primary IDE channel with >SATA." You might look for something like that as well. I agree with >you on that there absolutely should be the ability to boot >from the ATA >drive even when one or more SATA drive(s) is/are present. > >If Dell support cannot or will not help you, then I'd suggest >sending it >back, getting your money back, and rolling your own. You >*know* you'll >have standard hardware that way, and I have yet to have a problem when >going this route. If that happens, we on the list can give you plenty >of inexpensive HW suggestions for K12LTSP. :-) > >BTW, I just built another Dual Athlon 2GHz w/ 4GB DRAM, this >time using >twin 160GB SATA drives for /home (software RAID 1) and one 40GB ATA >drive for the OS. This thing is a freakin' monster! :-) I haven't >tried any timing tests yet, but it sure feels fast as greased >lightning, >including for disk xfers. Yes, I know, SCSI RAID 5's >better/faster, but >since it came outta mah own pokket, SATA was good enough. All in a >really cool case...for less than $2000. :-) > >--TP >_____________________ >Do you GNU!? >Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). >Check it >out! > From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Sun Oct 24 21:01:41 2004 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 16:01:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] HD boot-Format 1722kb floppy on Fedora Core 2 Message-ID: <417C1835.4020209@honeygroveisd.net> > OK! This is where I was going wrong (for any newbies out there trying > to do the same thing) > > I was following the method describe in > http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Technical:Booting:Client:LiLo > > *excellent* instructions, step-by-step. > Except when they say "5...copy [the rom] to a floppy..." THEY MEAN > WHAT THEY SAY - COPY!! 'CP' NOT 'CAT' - DUH!! Takes me a while to > figure these things out, but I seem to get there in the end. > > So my old Digital PCs can now boot, without a floppy, straight to my > server - another milestone for me! Hello all, I've seen this thread bounced around a few times since I signed on to this list and, being a Windows guy from way back, most of it has been Greek to me. So, for others who might be in my shoes, I thought I'd share my solution to this issue. I snagged a copy of FreeDOS from www.freedos.org and made a boot floppy. From there I can use the familiar, old DOS commands like FDISK, FORMAT, and SYS. Then I downloaded the "DOS Executable ROM Image" appropriate for my NICs (RTL8139.com, for example) from Rom-O-Matic and then created an "Autoexec.bat" file with "Copy CON" that runs the file. In fact, with a little bit of DOS batch scripting I've created a single disk that will wipe out any existing partitions, create a new partition, format the new C: drive and make it bootable. Then the user gets a choice of the most common NIC ROMs and by pressing 1,2 or 3, can instruct the system to copy all the necessary files to the newly erased drive. It's perfect for me since I can hand the disk to a student (or a loosely trained monkey, for that matter) and have them roll out new thin clients with minimal effort. I'm sure the Tom's Root Boot/LILO method is just as good, but I've got too many Linux learning curve issues right now to try to figure out a new way to do something I've been doing for 15 years. Still Free and Open Source with no curtsy to Redmond necessary. -- C-ya, Mark ____ "Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys." -- P. J. O'Rourke From tim at litwiller.net Sun Oct 24 21:11:09 2004 From: tim at litwiller.net (Tim Litwiller) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 16:11:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] sata as secondary HD - server won't boot [OT] In-Reply-To: <000201c4ba09$2770c370$0701000a@winworkstation> References: <000201c4ba09$2770c370$0701000a@winworkstation> Message-ID: <417C1A6D.90303@litwiller.net> Check Dells web site for a bios update - I had to get an updated bios on one that I worked with one time to get all the bios functions back - they dumb down the default one that ships with some units to avoid user errors. Carl Keil wrote: > I totally hear what you're saying. There are a few problems when it comes > to my individual situation though. I bought this dell on ebay, not through > dell. It was only $349. I had to upgrade the RAM and I bought the sata > drive, but still waaay shy of $2K. > > I've been going through the bios for hours and I don't see much. It is > incredibly simplistic. Every option seems like either "auto" or "off". The > thing that's killing me, I really believe is this "C:" drive as basically > the only HD boot option in the "boot options" menu. There is a whole other > menu you can go into on boot, called "boot options" if you hit F12 instead > of F2 for the BIOS. When I hit F12 I can see a better list of boot options. > Primary/Secondary SATA Primary/Secondary ATA etc. If I select Primary ATA > from this list I boot up fine. This is going to have to work for a while > for me, but I don't like not being able to just reboot and have it come up > normally. > > I don't understand why I can't have this complete list in the normal BIOS. > Is there some trick? I keep thinking there must be some kind of trick, like > holding down the option key or something when going into the BIOS or > something that puts it into expert mode, because the options are soooo > limited. > > ck > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Terrell Prud?, Jr. [mailto:microman at cmosnetworks.com] >>Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 1:15 PM >>To: carl at snarlnet.com; Support list for opensource software in schools. >>Subject: Re: [K12OSN] sata as secondary HD - server won't boot [OT] >> >> >>Carl Keil wrote: >> >> >>>Hey Folks, >>> >>>I dropped a sata drive in my Dell 400sc k12 server and got the home >>>directory moved there. Rebooted a few times, everything was >> >>hunky dory, so >> >>>I proceed with a clean reinstall of k12ltsp on the ata drive. >> >>Now, the >> >>>server will only boot if the sata drive is disconnected. I >> >>think I hosed >> >>>the proprietary MBR on the "C:" drive of the server(the >> >>original ata drive), >> >>>so it thinks the sata is the "C:". (There is very annoying windows >>>centricness in the BIOS where the "C:" is the only hard drive >> >>boot option.) >> >>>I really feel like this is a bios boot order problem, but I >> >>need to be able >> >>>to tell the dell to boot of the primary IDE before the sata. >> >>But wouldn't >> >>>it go there when it didn't find anything bootable on the sata >> >>buss? Anyway, >> >>>does anyone have a clue what to do? I need the sata back >> >>because it's got >> >>>/home on it. >>> >>>ck >>> >>> >> >>I'm not familiar with this specific Dell model, but after searching >>their site, it looks like a new enough model that it should still be >>covered under the Dell warranty. Note, though, that Red Hat Linux 9.0 >>and RHEL 3.0 are actually listed as supported OS's, so just tell 'em >>you're running RHL 9. :-) >> >>There shouldn't be any "proprietary MBR" format, since Dell >>supports RHL >>on these beasties. Remember that Windows OS's themselves need >>to run on >>multiple types of boxes and mobo chipsets, and thus for that, MS stays >>pretty vanilla. Not to knock what you're saying; I'm just >>thinking that >>maybe there's a BIOS option that's getting overlooked. I just built a >>box w/ both ATA and SATA, and, just having fun going through the BIOS >>options, I discovered an option for "replace primary IDE channel with >>SATA." You might look for something like that as well. I agree with >>you on that there absolutely should be the ability to boot > >>from the ATA > >>drive even when one or more SATA drive(s) is/are present. >> >>If Dell support cannot or will not help you, then I'd suggest >>sending it >>back, getting your money back, and rolling your own. You >>*know* you'll >>have standard hardware that way, and I have yet to have a problem when >>going this route. If that happens, we on the list can give you plenty >>of inexpensive HW suggestions for K12LTSP. :-) >> >>BTW, I just built another Dual Athlon 2GHz w/ 4GB DRAM, this >>time using >>twin 160GB SATA drives for /home (software RAID 1) and one 40GB ATA >>drive for the OS. This thing is a freakin' monster! :-) I haven't >>tried any timing tests yet, but it sure feels fast as greased >>lightning, >>including for disk xfers. Yes, I know, SCSI RAID 5's >>better/faster, but >>since it came outta mah own pokket, SATA was good enough. All in a >>really cool case...for less than $2000. :-) >> >>--TP >>_____________________ >>Do you GNU!? >>Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). >>Check it >>out! >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ism at ywammt.org Sun Oct 24 22:27:54 2004 From: ism at ywammt.org (Joshua Sanders) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 16:27:54 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [K12OSN] NIS user authenticated OK but nothing works In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <25095.10.1.2.1.1098656874.squirrel@email.ywammt.org> I am assuming you are talking to me with a NIS/ NFS problem on our homeserver. Yes, NIS is fixed on homeserver and all four LTSP servers get their authentication from it. I have made some progress on fixing my prblems since i write two days ago. I figured out that: 1.) my authentication if working fine 2.) Root accounts works on all machines, 3.) all user accounts work when loggin into homeserver locally (e.g not a NIS or a funcationality problem with the home directories) 4.) if i log in as a user in command line on any one of the LTSP servers (ctrl+alt+f1 at login) i can log in but not start X, (gives an error that has to do with fonts) 5.) if I try modfy that users homedirectory (mkkdir skunk) i get a permission denied error. Conclusion: Somehow my NFS /home mounts are mounting Read Only (though i am not aware of any changes that have been made to either the exports file (it is consistant with a back up from a year ago): "/home 10.1.0.0/255.255.0.0(rw,sync,no_root_squash)" or the FSTAB with is the way think it should be on the homeserver: "LABEL=/home1 /home ext3 defaults 1 2" and on the LTSP server: "10.1.1.10:/home /home nfs defaults 0 0" (where 10.1.1.10 is the IP of the homeserver) Does any one know any other place of file that could have been changed that would cause my nfs mount /home to mount as read only. joshua > Hello, Is the NIS problem fixed? I use my K12LTSP server 3.1.x to > authenticate by NIS all of my standalone linux boxes... Things are > working for me, so maybe I can help. I can tell you that my students > DO get "I have no name" showing up in the an xterminal prompt, but > everything does work just fine for my thousands of logons every day. > Jim > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From ism at ywammt.org Sun Oct 24 22:39:46 2004 From: ism at ywammt.org (Joshua Sanders) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 16:39:46 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [K12OSN] NIS user authenticated OK but nothing works In-Reply-To: <25095.10.1.2.1.1098656874.squirrel@email.ywammt.org> References: <25095.10.1.2.1.1098656874.squirrel@email.ywammt.org> Message-ID: <26100.10.1.2.1.1098657586.squirrel@email.ywammt.org> Alright i solved it!!! :) I think it just look me looking at the same page for about 3 hours: "/home 10.1.0.0/255.255.0.0 (rw,sync,no_root_squash)" is what was in my exports files and there cannot be a space in-between the last set of numbers and the parenthesis that define it characteristics. I think on my staff must have been trying to fix something and add that space by accident. make a note of that one. Joshua > I am assuming you are talking to me with a NIS/ NFS problem on our > homeserver. > Yes, NIS is fixed on homeserver and all four LTSP servers get their > authentication from it. I have made some progress on fixing my prblems > since i write two days ago. I figured out that: > 1.) my authentication if working fine > 2.) Root accounts works on all machines, > 3.) all user accounts work when loggin into homeserver locally (e.g not > a NIS or a funcationality problem with the home directories) > 4.) if i log in as a user in command line on any one of the LTSP servers > (ctrl+alt+f1 at login) i can log in but not start X, (gives an error > that has to do with fonts) > 5.) if I try modfy that users homedirectory (mkkdir skunk) i get a > permission denied error. > > Conclusion: Somehow my NFS /home mounts are mounting Read Only (though i > am not aware of any changes that have been made to either the exports > file (it is consistant with a back up from a year ago): > "/home 10.1.0.0/255.255.0.0(rw,sync,no_root_squash)" > > > or the FSTAB with is the way think it should be on the homeserver: > "LABEL=/home1 /home ext3 defaults 1 2" > > and on the LTSP server: > "10.1.1.10:/home /home nfs defaults 0 0" > (where 10.1.1.10 is the IP of the homeserver) > > Does any one know any other place of file that could have been changed > that would cause my nfs mount /home to mount as read only. > > joshua > > >> Hello, Is the NIS problem fixed? I use my K12LTSP server 3.1.x to >> authenticate by NIS all of my standalone linux boxes... Things are >> working for me, so maybe I can help. I can tell you that my students >> DO get "I have no name" showing up in the an xterminal prompt, but >> everything does work just fine for my thousands of logons every day. >> Jim >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Mon Oct 25 00:09:10 2004 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 17:09:10 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] This will probably get ignored too. In-Reply-To: <417BFA5D.1040401@cmosnetworks.com> References: <417BF248.5010109@elp.rr.com> <417BFA5D.1040401@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <417C4426.4050508@elp.rr.com> I was being nice and never got any kind of response. After so much frustration I felt a different aproach was needed. I have a variety of video cards or chips SIS 900 Trident 9680 ATI PCI And a couple of others. What do I need to look at, and in general what changes will I have to make? I gather from your question that the changes may be in Xfree86. Does it have a section like the lts.conf file that needs to be edited on a box per box basis? Thanks, Pat Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > John P. Conlon wrote: > >> Fedora core 1 K12LTSP 4.0.1 >> >> Dumpster boxes with USB 1.0 >> >> What do I need to do to either lts.conf or some place in Xfree86 to >> make this combination work? >> >> Thanks in advance >> Pat > > > > With a title like that, it should be! C'mon, be nice. > > It depends on the video boards in your dumpster boxes. What are they? > > --TP > _____________________ > Do you GNU!? > Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check > it out! > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jam at mcquil.com Mon Oct 25 00:32:46 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:32:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] This will probably get ignored too. In-Reply-To: <417C4426.4050508@elp.rr.com> References: <417BF248.5010109@elp.rr.com> <417BFA5D.1040401@cmosnetworks.com> <417C4426.4050508@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: John, You said you have k12ltsp 4.0.1 and usb 1.0 what are you trying to do? Do you need USB to work ? If so, what do you need it for, a mouse? a keyboard? give us some idea of what you are trying to do, and maybe someone can help. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Sun, 24 Oct 2004, John P. Conlon wrote: > I was being nice and never got any kind of response. After so much > frustration I felt a different aproach was needed. > > I have a variety of video cards or chips > SIS 900 > Trident 9680 > ATI PCI > And a couple of others. > What do I need to look at, and in general what changes will I have to make? I > gather from your question that the changes may be in Xfree86. Does it have a > section like the lts.conf file that needs to be edited on a box per box basis? > Thanks, > Pat > > Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > > > John P. Conlon wrote: > > > > > Fedora core 1 K12LTSP 4.0.1 > > > > > > Dumpster boxes with USB 1.0 > > > > > > What do I need to do to either lts.conf or some place in Xfree86 to make > > > this combination work? > > > > > > Thanks in advance > > > Pat > > > > > > > > With a title like that, it should be! C'mon, be nice. > > > > It depends on the video boards in your dumpster boxes. What are they? > > > > --TP > > _____________________ > > Do you GNU!? > > Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From haysja at sages.us Mon Oct 25 01:06:05 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:06:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] This will probably get ignored too. In-Reply-To: <417BF248.5010109@elp.rr.com> References: <417BF248.5010109@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <1098666365.417c517d63c5f@sages.us> You probably didn't get a response because we didn't know what you were asking. I still don't know what you are asking. Quoting "John P. Conlon" : > Fedora core 1 K12LTSP 4.0.1 > > Dumpster boxes with USB 1.0 > > What do I need to do to either lts.conf or some place in Xfree86 to make > this combination work? > > Thanks in advance > Pat > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ----------------------------------------- Jim Hays Technology Director Monticello CUSD#25 Monticello, IL 61856 ----------------------------------------- From carl at snarlnet.com Mon Oct 25 01:22:32 2004 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 18:22:32 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: K12OSN Digest, Vol 8, Issue 90 In-Reply-To: <20041025010642.2B4107337A@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <000501c4ba31$1aa548a0$0701000a@winworkstation> Tim, I thought about that. I thought I was already running the latest BIOS, but I just looked and there is an update. Seems worth a shot, with SATA being relatively new, there could be a big jump in support in a new BIOS. ck >-----Original Message----- >From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On >Behalf Of k12osn-request at redhat.com >Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 6:07 PM >Check Dells web site for a bios update - I had to get an >updated bios on >one that I worked with one time to get all the bios functions back - >they dumb down the default one that ships with some units to >avoid user >errors. From tim.scholten at gmail.com Mon Oct 25 02:01:13 2004 From: tim.scholten at gmail.com (Tim Scholten) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 19:01:13 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Homeserver crashed --> now X -won't start In-Reply-To: <34419.10.1.2.1.1098554204.squirrel@email.ywammt.org> References: <417A0138.2090209@redeemer.qld.edu.au> <1098527957.6018.0.camel@leigh> <34419.10.1.2.1.1098554204.squirrel@email.ywammt.org> Message-ID: 1. Do the ltsp servers have read and write permissions for the nfs share? I had this happen when the user couldn't write to their home folder. Tim S. On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 11:56:44 -0600 (MDT), Joshua Sanders wrote: > I have four servers running LTSP 4.1.1 all of which talk to a home server > (Redhat 9.0) that contains everyone's home directories, (and which > controls authentication via NIS.) We restarted homeserver yesterday at > lunch because NIS authentication is not recogenizating on the stand alone > machines we are building for remote locations... it has not been restarted > in a long time so it asked for a file system check and came up with a > bunch of inode errors - all of which it fixed. It came back up and > authentication works great for servers running ltsp. But when someoen > tried to log in, it starts X and then kicks them back out after about 2 > seconds of trying to load. It gives a pointless error about "your session > not lasting more than ten seconds..." I am stuck. Log in and > authentication seem to be working because it startings... but it doesn't > go any where. > > 1. when i log onto homsever locally with any user in NIS it works fine. > (it is only on the ltsp servers that it kicks them back out to the log in > screen. > 2. their are not firewalls internally and ypserv is running fine > 3. when i open OO on the homeserver the fonts are all size 50 or so and > all out of proportion - I mention this because someone mentioned that I > might have an error in my font server. (but I dont know what to check or > how to fix it.) > 4. I tried login on from tsclient to see if that made a difference and it > exited out on a error not being able to load a font in my > "/usr/X11R6/X11/fonts/CID/" > > any thoughts? > > joshua > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Mon Oct 25 03:18:10 2004 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:18:10 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Lets start this all over In-Reply-To: <1098666365.417c517d63c5f@sages.us> References: <417BF248.5010109@elp.rr.com> <1098666365.417c517d63c5f@sages.us> Message-ID: <417C7072.2070104@elp.rr.com> I hadn't realized that I had left out some key data. I have three USB optical mice that I want to put on boxes and replace the ball type mice that are getting so old even cleaning doesn't help. I have : Fedora core 1 K12LTSP 4.0.1 Dumpster boxes with USB 1.0 Some have Trident 9680 video cards Some have SIS900 video chips Others have a variety of ATI and other brand video cards. What do I need to do to either lts.conf or some place in Xfree86 to make the mice work? Thanks in advance Pat From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Oct 25 03:37:09 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 23:37:09 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Lets start this all over In-Reply-To: <417C7072.2070104@elp.rr.com> References: <417BF248.5010109@elp.rr.com> <1098666365.417c517d63c5f@sages.us> <,> <417C7072.2070104@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Sunday, October 24, 2004 at 11:18 PM +0000 wrote: >I hadn't realized that I had left out some key data. > >I have three USB optical mice that I want to put on boxes and replace >the ball type mice that are getting so old even cleaning doesn't help. >I have : >Fedora core 1 K12LTSP 4.0.1 >Dumpster boxes with USB 1.0 >Some have Trident 9680 video cards >Some have SIS900 video chips >Others have a variety of ATI and other brand video cards. > >What do I need to do to either lts.conf or some place in Xfree86 to make >the mice work? >Thanks in advance >Pat My expereince with this....recently I bought a bunch of Basic M$ Optical mice (USB).....$9 apiece. They come with the PS2 adapter as well. In some machines the USB didn't seem to work...so I used the PS/2 adapter and they work fine. This isn't a fix, but may simply save you some time. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Oct 25 04:47:29 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 21:47:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP v4.2.0 test build Message-ID: There was a "testing" release of Fedora Core 3 on Friday. The final release of FC3 is in two weeks, just after I get back from the LTSP devel meeting in Maine. I thought I'd kill two birds with one stone and put together a development build of K12LTSP to use at the LTSP developer's meeting. I could do devel work and QA/testing at the same time ;-) While this build is somewhat near what the final FC3/K12LTSP 4.2.0 will look like, you don't want to try this in production. This has only existed for a couple hours now and I've already found a couple semi-serious bugs (upgrades don't work right is the biggest one) and up2date/yum don't currently work (no repositories defined). I also built new qcad and tuxpaint packages. I'll back-port these to 4.1.x after I've tested them out a bit more. I'm currently using this build on my laptop & my desktop at home. I just upgraded my desktop at work as well. So far I'm very happy with it. If you have a spare test box laying around, don't be too afraid to give this one a spin. ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/4.2.0alpha/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/4.2.0alpha/ . -Eric From sudev at mantraonline.com Mon Oct 25 06:51:05 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 12:21:05 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Lets start this all over In-Reply-To: <417C7072.2070104@elp.rr.com> References: <417BF248.5010109@elp.rr.com> <1098666365.417c517d63c5f@sages.us> <417C7072.2070104@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <1098687064.17112.6.camel@server.ltsp> On Mon, 2004-10-25 at 08:48, John P. Conlon wrote: > I hadn't realized that I had left out some key data. Another reason for not getting response is thread hijacking. Your mail appears in middle of another thread "[K12OSN] scanner on client" and so likely to get ignored by others who were following that topic. A good way to get attention is to start a new mail and enter subject rather than hit reply button and change subject. Sorry I could not help directly, but dig in to archives there is discussion about use of USB mice. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org Mon Oct 25 07:22:56 2004 From: jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org (Jonathan Carter) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 09:22:56 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Floppy permission problem In-Reply-To: <417916A9.1000103@cmosnetworks.com> References: <41790927.60007@shuttleworthfoundation.org> <417916A9.1000103@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <417CA9D0.9000102@shuttleworthfoundation.org> Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > Jonathan Carter wrote: > >> Hi List >> >> I have a school running K12LTSP 3.1.2 (Red Hat 9). When they want to >> access a floppy using MToolsFM, they get an error that permission is >> denied to /dev/fd0. >> >> What is causes this, and how can I fix this. >> >> thanks and regards >> Jonathan >> > > Are they inadvertently trying to access the server's floppy drive? > > Another thing to check is if local floppy support is turned on in > lts.conf. > > --TP Yes, it is activated in lts.conf, but it doesn't work :( One weirdallity we did come by is, their home directories are under /home/teachers/usernames and /home/students/usernames, so we had to modify the push-icons-to-all-users script to make that work. Could there be a link between these problems? thanks -jonathan From gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk Mon Oct 25 08:32:58 2004 From: gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk (Gavin Spurgeon) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 09:32:58 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Setting ICE as default for 4.1 References: <003401c4b9ef$df4e7600$c6a2e63f@pavilion> Message-ID: <00b301c4ba6d$3b5ba580$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Hi Quinn & List... > I have 4.1 running and would like to limit the program content available on the desktop. > IceWM was demonstrated as a mean to limit program content on the desktop plus reduce > overhead. I did a search for "set ice default." The directions read as follow > 3.3 How to make IceWM my default window manager? > In order to run IceWm, you must assure that the executable (called icewm) is in your path. > You should then add IceWM to your X start-up script (which could be .xinitrc, .xsession, or .xclients) I Might Be able to help with this one... Go have a look @ my HOWTOz Site I made @ http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net There is a HOWTO about exactly what you are trying to do.@ http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net/k12ltsp/icewm.htm Hope this helps... If you have any questions please let me know On-list (preferred) or Off-list.... Best Regards Gavin Spurgeon Assistant Systems Administrator gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tel: 01322 620400 DDI: 01322 620501 IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 ############################################# Unofficial K12LTSP HOWTOz & Extraz Site (http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net) ############################################# From haysja at sages.us Mon Oct 25 11:44:20 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 06:44:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Lets start this all over In-Reply-To: <417C7072.2070104@elp.rr.com> References: <417BF248.5010109@elp.rr.com> <1098666365.417c517d63c5f@sages.us> <417C7072.2070104@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <1098704660.417ce7141b7ed@sages.us> I echo David's suggestion. I have several optical mice working with the PS/2 adapters. Use the adapters until you can find the real solution. They do work well. Quoting "John P. Conlon" : > I hadn't realized that I had left out some key data. > > I have three USB optical mice that I want to put on boxes and replace > the ball type mice that are getting so old even cleaning doesn't help. > I have : > Fedora core 1 K12LTSP 4.0.1 > Dumpster boxes with USB 1.0 > Some have Trident 9680 video cards > Some have SIS900 video chips > Others have a variety of ATI and other brand video cards. > > What do I need to do to either lts.conf or some place in Xfree86 to make > the mice work? > Thanks in advance > Pat > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ----------------------------------------- Jim Hays Technology Director Monticello CUSD#25 Monticello, IL 61856 ----------------------------------------- From les at futuresource.com Mon Oct 25 13:32:57 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 08:32:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Floppy permission problem In-Reply-To: <417CA9D0.9000102@shuttleworthfoundation.org> References: <41790927.60007@shuttleworthfoundation.org> <417916A9.1000103@cmosnetworks.com> <417CA9D0.9000102@shuttleworthfoundation.org> Message-ID: <1098711177.4357.3.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2004-10-25 at 02:22, Jonathan Carter wrote: > Yes, it is activated in lts.conf, but it doesn't work :( > > One weirdallity we did come by is, their home directories are under > /home/teachers/usernames and /home/students/usernames, so we had to > modify the push-icons-to-all-users script to make that work. Could there > be a link between these problems? Are you using the icon on the desktop that is tied to a script that accesses the client floppy or doing something directly to /dev/fd0 on the server? --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Mon Oct 25 14:07:08 2004 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 10:07:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Thread Hi-jacking In-Reply-To: <20041025133458.EF6B87309E@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20041025133458.EF6B87309E@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1098713227.25863.22.camel@isadore.stmarys-school.lan> I subscribe to the digest version of this list. Is there a way that I can reply to a post using the digest and not break a thread? John From bendily at gmail.com Mon Oct 25 14:41:15 2004 From: bendily at gmail.com (Brad Bendily) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 09:41:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Change configs? Message-ID: Ok guys. I have LTS up and running and my client logs in and runs the desktop. I get the full Gnome desktop. What I would like to have instead is just X running and load Firefox. I have done this on other distro's and it was fairly easy to do. However, i'm not sure where I should start looking to do this in LTS. Can someone point me in the right direction? How would I switch to a KDE desktop? Where are the configs for each desktop stored? Where are the file for each desktop? Thanks Brad B From aust_Txv at ACCESS-K12.org Mon Oct 25 15:02:45 2004 From: aust_Txv at ACCESS-K12.org (aust_Txv at ACCESS-K12.org) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 08:02:45 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Introduction/Question In-Reply-To: <41791646.8040905@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <3474705269.1098691365@[10.2.60.115]> "From Terrell" >>It's here where I believe a Paul Nelson quote is appropriate. >> http://www.redhat.com/advice/ask_pnelson.html I removed the " : "at the end. :) Good read. Everyone should check this out. T - I am not the one that needs convinced :) I could not agree more. Easy, reliable, and powerful. No doubt. Quinn ( and all k12ltsp users ) will need to address the apps question when asked. The pros surely out weigh the cons. Tom Ventresco From roger.in.eugene at gmail.com Mon Oct 25 15:08:47 2004 From: roger.in.eugene at gmail.com (Roger Morris) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 08:08:47 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Thread Hi-jacking In-Reply-To: <1098713227.25863.22.camel@isadore.stmarys-school.lan> References: <20041025133458.EF6B87309E@hormel.redhat.com> <1098713227.25863.22.camel@isadore.stmarys-school.lan> Message-ID: <69b790a804102508085d274709@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 10:07:08 -0400, John Baillie wrote: > I subscribe to the digest version of this list. > > Is there a way that I can reply to a post using the digest > and not break a thread? Threads don't use just the subject. If you reply to a message, there should be a 'in-reply-to' header that gets added by your mail client. There is also a 'references' header that lists the other emails in that thread. when you reply to the digest, the information needed to formulate the correct headers isn't there. You *might* be able to extract the correct information, but it would be quite tedious, then you would have to add the correct header information and send your reply... Roger 6 gmail invites left. From ksj2010 at myrealbox.com Mon Oct 25 15:09:39 2004 From: ksj2010 at myrealbox.com (KJ) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:09:39 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Thread Hi-jacking In-Reply-To: <1098713227.25863.22.camel@isadore.stmarys-school.lan> References: <20041025133458.EF6B87309E@hormel.redhat.com> <1098713227.25863.22.camel@isadore.stmarys-school.lan> Message-ID: <417D1733.9080100@myrealbox.com> Hi John, I have always done it by going on the website. That's the only way I can think of. best, KJ John Baillie wrote: >I subscribe to the digest version of this list. > >Is there a way that I can reply to a post using the digest >and not break a thread? > > >John > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From henryhartley at westat.com Mon Oct 25 15:12:00 2004 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:12:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP v4.2.0 test build Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0362E0CB@remail2.westat.com> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Eric Harrison >> Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 12:47 AM >> >> There was a "testing" release of Fedora Core 3 on Friday. The final >> release of FC3 is in two weeks, just after I get back from the LTSP >> devel meeting in Maine. >> >> ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/4.2.0alpha/ >> rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/4.2.0alpha/ . I've been testing FC3t3 on a stand-alone box and with a few exceptions (significantly, yum wasn't working - that was fixed in yum-2.1.10-1 but now they are at 2.1.10-3 so who knows?) had good success with it. If I understand you correctly, this 4.2.0 alpha is based on FC3-RC1 (i.e. it is more recent that FC3t3 dated October 5). If that's correct, I'll reinstall with your 4.2.0 alpha and see what happens. -- Henry From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Oct 25 16:31:35 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 09:31:35 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP v4.2.0 test build In-Reply-To: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0362E0CB@remail2.westat.com> References: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0362E0CB@remail2.westat.com> Message-ID: <1098721895.6424.10.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> On Mon, 2004-10-25 at 11:12 -0400, Henry Hartley wrote: > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Eric Harrison > >> Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 12:47 AM > >> > >> There was a "testing" release of Fedora Core 3 on Friday. The final > >> release of FC3 is in two weeks, just after I get back from the LTSP > >> devel meeting in Maine. > >> > >> ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/4.2.0alpha/ > >> rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/4.2.0alpha/ . > > I've been testing FC3t3 on a stand-alone box and with a few exceptions > (significantly, yum wasn't working - that was fixed in yum-2.1.10-1 but now > they are at 2.1.10-3 so who knows?) had good success with it. If I > understand you correctly, this 4.2.0 alpha is based on FC3-RC1 (i.e. it is > more recent that FC3t3 dated October 5). If that's correct, I'll reinstall > with your 4.2.0 alpha and see what happens. It is indeed a newer build than FC3t3. See http://lwn.net/Articles/107942/ On the Fedora devel list, it was noted that this FC3 "testing" build is the same as the 20041022 rawhide tree. My K12LTSP-ized version is FC3testing, the couple of patches in rawhide since then, plus the K12LTSP-specific packages from K12LTSP 4.1.1. Oh, and the latest builds of qcad & tuxpaint that are not fully tested. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Oct 25 17:00:45 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 10:00:45 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] updates: FTP vs HTTP Message-ID: <1098723645.6424.25.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> Disabling out-bound FTP access seems to be en vogue. I've had a few people recently contact me saying their district no longer permits FTP and that they can no longer do updates. If you find yourself in that situation, it is easy to change the K12LTSP update repository configurations to use HTTP instead of FTP. All you have to do is change the references to ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us to http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us in the following files: /etc/yum.conf /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources /etc/apt/sources.list.d/k12ltsp.list note: /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources exists only in K12LTSP 4.0 & newer -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From nbs at sonic.net Mon Oct 25 17:06:35 2004 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 10:06:35 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] updates: FTP vs HTTP In-Reply-To: <1098723645.6424.25.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <1098723645.6424.25.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <20041025170635.GD13783@sonic.net> On Mon, Oct 25, 2004 at 10:00:45AM -0700, Eric Harrison wrote: > > Disabling out-bound FTP access seems to be en vogue. I've had > a few people recently contact me saying their district no longer > permits FTP and that they can no longer do updates. *boggle* -bill! From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Mon Oct 25 19:10:35 2004 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:10:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Thread Hi-jacking In-Reply-To: <1098713227.25863.22.camel@isadore.stmarys-school.lan> References: <20041025133458.EF6B87309E@hormel.redhat.com> <1098713227.25863.22.camel@isadore.stmarys-school.lan> Message-ID: <8C971420-26B9-11D9-84C6-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Don't hit reply (ever) if you are using digest. Reply keeps it in the same thread. You want to start a new message. On Oct 25, 2004, at 9:07 AM, John Baillie wrote: > I subscribe to the digest version of this list. > > Is there a way that I can reply to a post using the digest > and not break a thread? > > > John > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkF9T6sACgkQfqZR3ThMfXStZgCeIp4yB9bIfDSsz66ayucIzIpx 8FAAn0lGL6VTipwRk//O0REH3xNc6krf =TUGq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From spowers at inlandlakes.org Mon Oct 25 19:38:41 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:38:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Purging ALL users Message-ID: <417D5641.10105@inlandlakes.org> I am having some users (the ones that use linux out of loyalty to me -- these are the folks I want to spoil!!) that have openoffice processes that linger and never die. I really want the feature that exists with gdm to purge all user processes on login. I start icewm directly from the /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession file... Is there a purge user script that I could call before launching icewm? I don't want to switch from my vanilla xdm login window (because I've had a hard time limiting to only icewm in 4.0.1 on kdm, and my users freak out if they don't have login and password fields both on the same page, so gdm is out...) And/Or -- is there a simple way to purge all current users processes without killing needed system processes? (ie, kill all users processes without killing apache, or any of 100 other system needed things) I could always restart the server, but that seems so windowsy... :) Man, what a kludge of an email that was. Here are my questions: 1) can the "purge user processes" script be called by xdm? 2) can kdm be configured to ONLY allow icewm in 4.0.1? 3) is there any way to kill ALL users processes without bunkfidarnaking up the server and without rebooting? Thanks a bunch all, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From scott at hancock.k12.mi.us Mon Oct 25 19:44:33 2004 From: scott at hancock.k12.mi.us (Scott Sherrill) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:44:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Purging ALL users In-Reply-To: <417D5641.10105@inlandlakes.org> References: <417D5641.10105@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: > >3) is there any way to kill ALL users processes without >bunkfidarnaking up the server and without rebooting? Shawn- We use a script that was posted to the list long long ago called unclean. I can credit the author (but thanks whomever you are). Here's the script: #! /usr/bin/env python2 import os names = ['root', 'bin', 'daemon', 'adm', 'lp', 'sync', 'shutdown', 'halt', 'mail', 'news', 'uucp', 'operator', 'games', 'gopher', 'ftp', 'nobody', 'vcsa', 'mailnull', 'rpm', 'ntp', 'rpc', 'xfs', 'rpcuser', 'nfsnobody', 'nscd', 'ident', 'radvd', 'named', 'pcap', 'amanda', 'gdm', 'scott'] os.system('ps aux > .ps.dat') lines = open('.ps.dat').readlines() for line in lines[1:]: if line.split()[0] not in names: os.system('kill -9 %s' % line.split()[1]) I run unclean 1/night by cron to clean up all the cruft before the next day begins. Just put whatever usernames NOT to kill in the list above and off ya go. Scott From spowers at inlandlakes.org Mon Oct 25 20:04:41 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 16:04:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Games! Message-ID: <417D5C59.6060005@inlandlakes.org> Here's a fun topic... What are some games that you allow your users to use on thin clients? I'm looking for some games that are fun, low bandwidth, don't require 3d acceleration, and don't tend to hog CPU. (I had to take xboard off my server, as it would daily eat 2-3 CPUs pegged at 100% usage. Thanks to verynice, it was manageable, but still annoying) Offhand, I allow: sol mahjongg (eats bandwidth, but SOOOO popular) gnomine gnect kbounce Also, games that keep system-wide high scores are more fun too. :) Any suggestions? -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From spowers at inlandlakes.org Mon Oct 25 20:08:07 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 16:08:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Purging ALL users In-Reply-To: References: <417D5641.10105@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <417D5D27.8020601@inlandlakes.org> Scott Sherrill wrote: > names = ['root', 'bin', 'daemon', 'adm', 'lp', > 'sync', 'shutdown', 'halt', 'mail', > 'news', 'uucp', 'operator', 'games', > 'gopher', 'ftp', 'nobody', 'vcsa', > 'mailnull', 'rpm', 'ntp', 'rpc', 'xfs', > 'rpcuser', 'nfsnobody', 'nscd', 'ident', > 'radvd', 'named', 'pcap', 'amanda', > 'gdm', 'scott'] This looks like a good list -- I wonder if some sort of UID < 500 thing would work more generically? I'm currently browsing my /etc/passwd file -- and since I use NIS for user authentication, pretty much every user in /etc/passwd is going into this script! Now I just wait until this evening to kill all my users.... MWAHAHAHAHAHHA Thanks Scott, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From bendily at gmail.com Mon Oct 25 19:45:46 2004 From: bendily at gmail.com (Brad Bendily) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:45:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Test message? Message-ID: Sorry about this. When I post a message from gmail i'm not seeing the message in my inbox. So far i'm only able to see the messge when someone replies to me. I know the messages are getting there because I see them in the archive. Anyone else having this problem? It might be an issue with gmail. This is the first list i've used with gmail. Thanks Brad B From support at 499pc.net Mon Oct 25 20:12:45 2004 From: support at 499pc.net (Charles Hale) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 13:12:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Script for CRON Job to Cleanup Leftover Processes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20041025201245.35955.qmail@web108.biz.mail.yahoo.com> We use a script that was posted to the list long long ago called unclean. I can credit the author (but thanks whomever you are). Here's the script: #! /usr/bin/env python2 import os names = ['root', 'bin', 'daemon', 'adm', 'lp', 'sync', 'shutdown', 'halt', 'mail', 'news', 'uucp', 'operator', 'games', 'gopher', 'ftp', 'nobody', 'vcsa', 'mailnull', 'rpm', 'ntp', 'rpc', 'xfs', 'rpcuser', 'nfsnobody', 'nscd', 'ident', 'radvd', 'named', 'pcap', 'amanda', 'gdm', 'scott'] os.system('ps aux > .ps.dat') lines = open('.ps.dat').readlines() for line in lines[1:]: if line.split()[0] not in names: os.system('kill -9 %s' % line.split()[1]) I run unclean 1/night by cron to clean up all the cruft before the next day begins. Just put whatever usernames NOT to kill in the list above and off ya go. Scott From roger.in.eugene at gmail.com Mon Oct 25 20:24:21 2004 From: roger.in.eugene at gmail.com (Roger Morris) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 13:24:21 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Test message? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <69b790a804102513245eaae1d8@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:45:46 -0500, Brad Bendily wrote: > Sorry about this. When I post a message from gmail i'm not > seeing the message in my inbox. So far i'm only able to see the > messge when someone replies to me. I know the messages > are getting there because I see them in the archive. > Anyone else having this problem? It might be an issue with gmail. > This is the first list i've used with gmail. Do you have a filter for this list? When I reply to a message, if you look at what you replied to, it's there. You do see it in the 'sent mail' folder? Roger From bendily at gmail.com Mon Oct 25 20:41:40 2004 From: bendily at gmail.com (Brad Bendily) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:41:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] How to change desktop? Message-ID: How should I go about changing the default desktop configuration/layout? I want to be able to setup my own custom desktop and then afterwards I don't want any users making any changes. How can I best accomplish this? thanks brad b From bendily at gmail.com Mon Oct 25 20:44:20 2004 From: bendily at gmail.com (Brad Bendily) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:44:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] GDM does not start Message-ID: The gdm does not start when I boot my server. I would get the problem where X would load, but nothing else would happen. Then I found a site that said to check if the xdmcp port was open. I found that it was not open and found I need to start gdm to have it available. What can I do to get gdm to load automatically? I know I could add it to rc.local manually, but I'm assuming that this would be a service/daemon that should already be starting. Can someone offer advice on how to find out why it is not running? Thanks Brad B From roger.in.eugene at gmail.com Mon Oct 25 20:48:30 2004 From: roger.in.eugene at gmail.com (Roger Morris) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 13:48:30 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] gmail test Message-ID: <69b790a8041025134825efbde1@mail.gmail.com> Don't reply. From carl at snarlnet.com Mon Oct 25 20:53:39 2004 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 13:53:39 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Assign Drive letter c: to ata drive in linux Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20041025135032.01cbdfc8@pop.easystreet.com> Hi, I'm still having trouble booting my DELL 400sc server after installing a sata drive for /home. The BIOS is looking for a C: drive to boot from, there's no option to look at the IDE bus, or primary IDE or something. So, does anyone know how to make this thing think that the Primary ATA drive is a "C:" drive? If I take the SATA buss offline in the BIOS it boots fine. If I don't I have to hit F12 at bootup and go into a special boot menu where I can select "Primary IDE" and it boots fine. I'd like it to boot without intervention like that. Thanks, ck From wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com Mon Oct 25 20:54:29 2004 From: wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com (Wilson Chan) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 10:54:29 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Games! Message-ID: > Here's a fun topic... > > What are some games that you allow your users to use on thin clients? > I'm looking for some games that are fun, low bandwidth, don't require 3d > acceleration, and don't tend to hog CPU. (I had to take xboard off my > server, as it would daily eat 2-3 CPUs pegged at 100% usage. Thanks to > verynice, it was manageable, but still annoying) > > Offhand, I allow: > > sol > mahjongg (eats bandwidth, but SOOOO popular) > gnomine > gnect > kbounce > > Also, games that keep system-wide high scores are more fun too. :) > > Any suggestions? > > -Shawn > Frozen Bubble is lots of fun and works quite well on thin clients. Haven't checked out the cpu/mem usage on it though. :) http://www.frozen-bubble.org/ Wilson From dalen at czexan.net Mon Oct 25 21:17:46 2004 From: dalen at czexan.net (Dale Sykora) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 16:17:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Games! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <417D6D7A.7020501@czexan.net> Wilson Chan wrote: > Frozen Bubble is lots of fun and works quite well on thin clients. Haven't checked out the cpu/mem usage on it though. :) > http://www.frozen-bubble.org/ I am curious why frozen-bubble is in livna.org rather than the standard Fedora. My guess is it probably uses mp3 audio but I'm not sure. Anybody know? From wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com Mon Oct 25 21:41:04 2004 From: wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com (Wilson Chan) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:41:04 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Games! Message-ID: > Wilson Chan wrote: > > Frozen Bubble is lots of fun and works quite well on thin clients. Haven't checked out the cpu/mem usage on it though. :) > > http://www.frozen-bubble.org/ > I am curious why frozen-bubble is in livna.org rather than the standard > Fedora. My guess is it probably uses mp3 audio but I'm not sure. > Anybody know? > If you want to try Frozen Bubble out you need to also download these smpeg & perls-SDL. You can download them from the links below: Frozen Bubble http://tettnang.freshrpms.net/rpm.html?id=420 Smpeg http://tettnang.freshrpms.net/rpm.html?id=422 Perl SDL http://tettnang.freshrpms.net/rpm.html?id=480 Install them in this order. Sample install below for FC2. [root at server Downloads]# rpm -ivh smpeg-0.4.4-0.1.fc2.fr.i386.rpm warning: smpeg-0.4.4-0.1.fc2.fr.i386.rpm: V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID e42d547b Preparing... ########################################### [100%] 1:smpeg ########################################### [100%] [root at server Downloads]# rpm -ivh perl-SDL-1.20.0-6.1.fc2.fr.i386.rpm warning: perl-SDL-1.20.0-6.1.fc2.fr.i386.rpm: V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID e42d547b Preparing... ########################################### [100%] 1:perl-SDL ########################################### [100%] [root at server Downloads]# rpm -ivh frozen-bubble-1.0.0-6.1.fc2.fr.i386.rpm warning: frozen-bubble-1.0.0-6.1.fc2.fr.i386.rpm: V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID e42d547b Preparing... ########################################### [100%] 1:frozen-bubble ########################################### [100%] [root at server Downloads]# Wilson From les at futuresource.com Mon Oct 25 23:23:17 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 18:23:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Assign Drive letter c: to ata drive in linux In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20041025135032.01cbdfc8@pop.easystreet.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20041025135032.01cbdfc8@pop.easystreet.com> Message-ID: <1098746597.18597.9.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2004-10-25 at 15:53, Carl Keil wrote: > I'm still having trouble booting my DELL 400sc server after installing a > sata drive for /home. The BIOS is looking for a C: drive to boot from, > there's no option to look at the IDE bus, or primary IDE or something. So, > does anyone know how to make this thing think that the Primary ATA drive is > a "C:" drive? If I take the SATA buss offline in the BIOS it boots > fine. If I don't I have to hit F12 at bootup and go into a special boot > menu where I can select "Primary IDE" and it boots fine. I'd like it to > boot without intervention like that. There may be a couple of alternatives. The bios setup may have a section about 'bios boot devices', meaning cards with their own bios ROM on board and allow you to lower the priority or remove them from the bootable list. The card itself may have a way you can change its options (it would prompt you to hit a key during bootup). If you don't boot from the drive you don't need bios active at all. If you can't do either of these you may be able to install grub on the SATA drive, but configured to boot the kernel from the existing location. You'll probably have to figure out the grub notation for the hd devices from the bios perspective though. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From microman at cmosnetworks.com Mon Oct 25 23:23:51 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 19:23:51 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Assign Drive letter c: to ata drive in linux In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20041025135032.01cbdfc8@pop.easystreet.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20041025135032.01cbdfc8@pop.easystreet.com> Message-ID: <417D8B07.2090409@cmosnetworks.com> Carl Keil wrote: > Hi, > > I'm still having trouble booting my DELL 400sc server after installing > a sata drive for /home. The BIOS is looking for a C: drive to boot > from, there's no option to look at the IDE bus, or primary IDE or > something. So, does anyone know how to make this thing think that the > Primary ATA drive is a "C:" drive? If I take the SATA buss offline in > the BIOS it boots fine. If I don't I have to hit F12 at bootup and go > into a special boot menu where I can select "Primary IDE" and it boots > fine. I'd like it to boot without intervention like that. > > Thanks, > > ck I take it that Dell support didn't have any ideas on this one? This sounds like a Dell-specific thing. --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From microman at cmosnetworks.com Mon Oct 25 23:26:08 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 19:26:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Games! In-Reply-To: <417D5C59.6060005@inlandlakes.org> References: <417D5C59.6060005@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <417D8B90.9050005@cmosnetworks.com> Shawn Powers wrote: > Here's a fun topic... > > What are some games that you allow your users to use on thin clients? > I'm looking for some games that are fun, low bandwidth, don't require > 3d acceleration, and don't tend to hog CPU. (I had to take xboard off > my server, as it would daily eat 2-3 CPUs pegged at 100% usage. > Thanks to verynice, it was manageable, but still annoying) > > Offhand, I allow: > > sol > mahjongg (eats bandwidth, but SOOOO popular) > gnomine > gnect > kbounce > > Also, games that keep system-wide high scores are more fun too. :) > > Any suggestions? > > -Shawn > > There are a few on this list that allow and use TuxType and TuxMath, bandwidth hogs though they are. --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From garnold at unrealsolutions.com Tue Oct 26 01:02:35 2004 From: garnold at unrealsolutions.com (Glenn Arnold) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 21:02:35 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Assign Drive letter c: to ata drive in linux Message-ID: Did you look at the boot sequence in the Dell Bios? This usually controls the boot order of ide devices. Just make the Sata Drive the first boot device or ahead of your other ide hard drive. -Glenn -----Original Message----- From: "Terrell Prud?, Jr." [mailto:microman at cmosnetworks.com] Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 7:24 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Assign Drive letter c: to ata drive in linux Carl Keil wrote: > Hi, > > I'm still having trouble booting my DELL 400sc server after installing > a sata drive for /home. The BIOS is looking for a C: drive to boot > from, there's no option to look at the IDE bus, or primary IDE or > something. So, does anyone know how to make this thing think that the > Primary ATA drive is a "C:" drive? If I take the SATA buss offline in > the BIOS it boots fine. If I don't I have to hit F12 at bootup and go > into a special boot menu where I can select "Primary IDE" and it boots > fine. I'd like it to boot without intervention like that. > > Thanks, > > ck I take it that Dell support didn't have any ideas on this one? This sounds like a Dell-specific thing. --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Oct 26 02:51:33 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 19:51:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] GDM does not start In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 25 Oct 2004, Brad Bendily wrote: >The gdm does not start when I boot my server. >I would get the problem where X would load, but >nothing else would happen. Then I found a site that said to >check if the xdmcp port was open. I found that it was not >open and found I need to start gdm to have it available. > >What can I do to get gdm to load automatically? >I know I could add it to rc.local manually, but I'm >assuming that this would be a service/daemon that >should already be starting. Can someone offer advice >on how to find out why it is not running? The official LTSP documentation is always useful: http://www.ltsp.org/documentation/ltsp-4.1/ltsp-4.1-0-en.html Here is a direct link to the section on troubleshooting the display manager: http://www.ltsp.org/documentation/ltsp-4.1/ltsp-4.1-0-en.html#AEN991 When K12LTSP installs, it sets all of the configuration files by running: /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/K12Linux-LTSP-initialize if you do not have done extensive post-install customization, you can just re-run this script and reboot. -Eric From debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au Tue Oct 26 11:44:54 2004 From: debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au (Debbie Schiel) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 21:44:54 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Definitive guide to editing gnome menus? Message-ID: <417E38B6.1090704@redeemer.qld.edu.au> Hi all, Does anyone have *the* guide to editing the 'start menu'? I'm using the k12ltsp 4.1.0 install (Fedora Core 2) and the default out-of-the-box session (gnome??). I have tried the methods described on the Gnome.org/learn site, and followed suggestions from previous posts in k12osn, without luck. I have somehow been able to *add* to the menu - but they're duplicates of what is already there... I don't want to delete the apps, just make them unavailable to groups/users. Going on my past experiences, I reckon I would probably get there in the end, but tips and advice could make my 'journey' a lot shorter. (They're also very encouraging!) Thanks, Debbie -- http://www.redeemer.qld.edu.au/ From bimalp at indoasian.com Tue Oct 26 12:54:31 2004 From: bimalp at indoasian.com (bimal pandit) Date: 26 Oct 2004 18:24:31 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Definitive guide to editing gnome menus? In-Reply-To: <417E38B6.1090704@redeemer.qld.edu.au> References: <417E38B6.1090704@redeemer.qld.edu.au> Message-ID: <1098795270.14150.1.camel@ltsp1a003.ltsp1a> try the attached file's method, i did this and is working perfectly!! bimal On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 17:14, Debbie Schiel wrote: > Hi all, > > Does anyone have *the* guide to editing the 'start menu'? > > I'm using the k12ltsp 4.1.0 install (Fedora Core 2) and the default > out-of-the-box session (gnome??). > > I have tried the methods described on the Gnome.org/learn site, and > followed suggestions from previous posts in k12osn, without luck. I have > somehow been able to *add* to the menu - but they're duplicates of what > is already there... I don't want to delete the apps, just make them > unavailable to groups/users. > > Going on my past experiences, I reckon I would probably get there in the > end, but tips and advice could make my 'journey' a lot shorter. (They're > also very encouraging!) > > Thanks, > > Debbie -------------- next part -------------- /usr/share/applications /etc/X11/applnk /usr/share/gnome/apps /usr/share/applnk /usr/share/control-center-2.0/capplets/ /usr/share/gnome/capplets/ /usr/share/desktop-menu-files Applications Applications.directory gnome-search-tool.desktop gnome-network-scheme.desktop Core Merged Internet Internet.directory redhat-web.desktop net-gaim.desktop redhat-gnomemeeting.desktop X-Red-Hat-Base Application Network MediaPlayer MediaPlayer.directory mediaplayer.desktop Office Office.directory redhat-drawing.desktop redhat-diagrams.desktop redhat-math.desktop openoffice-printeradmin.desktop codefactory-mrproject.desktop X-Red-Hat-Base Application Office Other Other.directory Application Settings X-Red-Hat-Base-Only X-Red-Hat-Base -------------- next part -------------- This is the customization process for a user "user1" in gnome environment i took help from "http://www.bluethingy.com/linux/rh8menu.html" site a lot of thanks to mknepher at bluethingy.com(in fact his name was not there!!) i am using redhat linux 9.0 with gnome2 Why? ---- In fact i had installed LTSP server and wanted that the gnome desktop should be customized per user, as i searched the net and got a few valuable links(like above) which helped me to get my work done, so i thought to give back "The NET Community" so that they can get releif while doing the same task. How I did This? --------------- [root at localhost root]# useradd user1 [root at localhost root]# passwd ****** < do confirmation > [root at localhost root]# cd /home/user1/.gnome2 NOTE:- IN CASE YOU DON'T GET THIS DIRECTORY DON'T GET PANICKED, AS THIS MEANS YOU DID'NT LOGGED IN AS THIS USER SO JUST LOGIN AS THIS USER(user1) ONCE AND THIS AND OTHER DIRECTORIES WILL GET CREATED AUTOMATICALLY!! [root at localhost .gnome2]# mkdir -p vfolders/applications [root at localhost .gnome2]# cd vfolders [root at localhost vfolders]# cp /etc/X11/desktop-menus/applications.menu applications.vfolder-info NOTE:- this is "applications.vfolder-info" and NOT "applications.vfolders-info" [root at localhost vfolders]# cd applications [root at localhost applications]# cp /usr/share/applications/*.desktop . NOTE:- i.e copy "/usr/share/applications/*.desktop" in this(applications) directory [root at localhost applications]# cd .. [root at localhost vfolders]# vi applications.vfolder-info AND EDIT AS PER YOUR REQUIREMENT!! HERE I AM GIVING MY CUSTOMIZED ENTRIES WHICH REDUCED THE DESKTOP MENU TO A GREAT EXTANT!! CONTENTS OF "applications.vfolder-info" ************************* YOU CAN CUT AND PASTE BELOW GIVEN ENTRIES ****************************** /usr/share/applications /etc/X11/applnk /usr/share/gnome/apps /usr/share/applnk /usr/share/control-center-2.0/capplets/ /usr/share/gnome/capplets/ /usr/share/desktop-menu-files Applications Applications.directory gnome-search-tool.desktop gnome-network-scheme.desktop Core Merged Internet Internet.directory redhat-web.desktop net-gaim.desktop redhat-gnomemeeting.desktop X-Red-Hat-Base Application Network Office Office.directory redhat-drawing.desktop redhat-diagrams.desktop redhat-math.desktop openoffice-printeradmin.desktop codefactory-mrproject.desktop X-Red-Hat-Base Application Office Graphics Graphics.directory net-xpdf.desktop Other Other.directory Application Settings X-Red-Hat-Base-Only X-Red-Hat-Base ************************** YOU CAN CUT AND PASTE ABOVE ENTRIES ******************************* one should also remember that there may be some link file(s) (of additionally installed packages) , so you need to create that link accordingly as i did :- ln -s /usr/share/desktop-menu-patches/redhat-drawing.desktop /home/user1/.gnome2/vfolders/applications/redhat-drawing.desktop ln -s /usr/share/desktop-menu-patches/redhat-email.desktop /home/user1/.gnome2/vfolders/applications/redhat-email.desktop ln -s /usr/share/desktop-menu-patches/redhat-math.desktop /home/user1/.gnome2/vfolders/applications/redhat-math.desktop ln -s /usr/share/desktop-menu-patches/redhat-presentations.desktop /home/user1/.gnome2/vfolders/applications/redhat-presentations.desktop ln -s /usr/share/desktop-menu-patches/redhat-spreadsheet.desktop /home/user1/.gnome2/vfolders/applications/redhat-spreadsheet.desktop ln -s /usr/share/desktop-menu-patches/redhat-web.desktop /home/user1/.gnome2/vfolders/applications/redhat-web.desktop ln -s /usr/share/desktop-menu-patches/redhat-word-processor.desktop /home/user1/.gnome2/vfolders/applications/redhat-word-processor.desktop in case you may not be knowing the name of the menu/submenu as to which you want to exclude, as the actual name may be different to the what you are getting in the menu e.g. in the main menu under "internet" menu you will see "Mozilla Web Browser" while in applications directory(that you created) you wont find any thing, even containing this name(Mozilla) so the way out is just hover your curser on that menu and see what is the "comment" it is showing to you as in this example, when you hover the curser over "Mozilla Web Browser" you will get "Browse the internet" message/comment so just do [root at localhost applications]# grep "Browse the Internet" * this will give you redhat-web.desktop:Comment=Browse the Internet so you have to exclude "redhat-web.desktop" similarly can search and include/exclude others!! So far i hope this will help atleast one person in this world !! well i am not a programmer and XML is a black box for me so no help in this matter, i am just a linux enthusiast!! Bimal Pandit NOTE:- pls mail me in case someone need further help and if i can i will!! here are my email id's :- bimalp at indoasian.com, hello_bee at rediffmail.com, hello_bee at indiatimes.com other useful link http://gnome.org/learn/ -------------- next part -------------- HOW ACTUALLY I FOUND THIS AND COPIED AND EDITED THESE !! -------------------------------------------------------- [root at cluster01 vfolders]# locate Office.directory /usr/share/desktop-menu-files/Office.directory /usr/share/gnome/vfolders/Office.directory [root at cluster01 vfolders]# cp /usr/share/desktop-menu-files/Office.directory /usr/share/desktop-menu-files/MediaPlayer.directory [root at cluster01 vfolders]# vi /usr/share/desktop-menu-files/MediaPlayer.directory [root at cluster01 vfolders]# cp /usr/share/desktop-menu-files/MediaPlayer.directory /usr/share/gnome/vfolders/ ================================================================================================== [root at cluster01 applications]# vi mediaplayer.desktop [Desktop Entry] Name=Media Player Encoding=UTF-8 Comment=play your audio files Exec=/usr/bin/xmms Terminal=0 Type=Application Icon=gnome-audio2.png Categories=Application;Network;X-Red-Hat-Extras; [root at cluster01 applications]# cd .. [root at cluster01 applications]# vi applications.vfolder-info MediaPlayer MediaPlayer.directory mediaplayer.desktop [root at cluster01 applications]# vi /usr/share/desktop-menu-files/MediaPlayer.directory [Desktop Entry] Name=MediaPlayer Comment=Play your Audiio files Icon=gnome-audio2.png Type=Directory [root at cluster01 applications]# cp /usr/share/desktop-menu-files/MediaPlayer.directory /usr/share/gnome/vfolders/ NOTE:- ACTUALLY ALL THE ICONS ARE LOCATED AT "/user/share/pixmaps/*.png" SO YOU NEED TO CHOOSE YOUR ICON AND JUST PUT ITS NAME, FOR SHORTCUT JUST CLICK RIGHT BUTTON OF YOUR MOUSE ON DESKTOP AREA AND SELECT "new launcher" THEN CLICK ON "no icon" THIS WILL GIVE A LIST OF ALL ICONS WITH THEIR PICTURES!! ================================================================================================== FIRST MOVE TO "vfolders" DIRECTORY AND EDIT THIS [root at cluster01 vfolders]# vi applications.vfolder-info Internet Internet.directory mozilla-mail-client.desktop redhat-web.desktop redhat-gnomemeeting.desktop X-Red-Hat-Base Application Network [root at cluster01 vfolders]# cd applications [root at cluster01 applications]# vi mozilla-mail-client.desktop [Desktop Entry] Name=Mozill Mail Encoding=UTF-8 Comment=mozilla mail client Exec=/usr/bin/mozilla -mail Terminal=0 Type=Application Icon=gnome-balsa2.png Categories=Application;Network;X-Red-Hat-Extras; From spowers at inlandlakes.org Tue Oct 26 15:41:40 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 11:41:40 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Remember my server lockup? Message-ID: <417E7034.90507@inlandlakes.org> I dont' have the thread anymore to keep this as a single thread -- but those of you that scratched your head with me about my locking up server, I know what caused it, but not why. (And frankly, don't care much...) If I have a windows share mounted via smbclient onto my server, after about 10-15 minutes, my server locks up hard. I can find no log error messages, or any thing that hints toward problems, but BAM, after those few minutes it just locks up. If I don't mount that share (or unmount it before it locks up) everything is fine. The share doesn't even have to be accessed to lock up the server -- just mounted. I can repeat the problem consistently. Today was my proof, since I had to restart the server (due to UPS issues) and the entry was in my /etc/fstab file. After 3 lockups, I remembered that the last thing I had done to "fix" the lockups a month ago was to unmount that share, I quickly did the same, and we've been running for over an hour now. I was just grasping at straws a month ago, and unmounting the samba share was just a desperate effort, so I didn't bother at the time to remove the /etc/fstab entry. It wasn't until today that I know exactly what one of the hundred things I tried was the difference. Anyway, just wanted to let everyone know. Thanks for all the help I received at the time, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From carl at snarlnet.com Tue Oct 26 15:54:43 2004 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 08:54:43 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Assign Drive letter c: to ata drive in linux (Glenn Arnold) Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20041026084745.01ca0648@pop.easystreet.com> Hi everyone, I thought I'd update the list since many of you tried to help me out. I finally called Dell. I don't know why I hesitated. Well, I do know why, most companies are exceedingly rude when you tell them you're running Linux, (ISPs, HD manufacturers, retail outlets, etc.) Anyway, I've never had a better experience being told that I was out of luck. The guy was totally cool (all I ask for is a little empathy from someone who's telling me I'm screwed by the way his product is set up), but told me that the Dell poweredge BIOS doesn't support "mixing" drives. I can have all sata or all ide and boot from either primary. Or, I can boot from the sata, but I simply can't boot from the ide and keep the sata in there without that f12 intervention at startup. So, looks like I'm going to be buying another sata drive. Thanks for puzzling over this with me, next time I'll call Dell first. ck Did you look at the boot sequence in the Dell Bios? This usually controls the boot order of ide devices. Just make the Sata Drive the first boot device or ahead of your other ide hard drive. -Glenn -----Original Message----- From: "Terrell Prud?, Jr." [mailto:microman at cmosnetworks.com] Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 7:24 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Assign Drive letter c: to ata drive in linux Carl Keil wrote: > Hi, > > I'm still having trouble booting my DELL 400sc server after installing > a sata drive for /home. The BIOS is looking for a C: drive to boot > from, there's no option to look at the IDE bus, or primary IDE or > something. So, does anyone know how to make this thing think that the > Primary ATA drive is a "C:" drive? If I take the SATA buss offline in > the BIOS it boots fine. If I don't I have to hit F12 at bootup and go > into a special boot menu where I can select "Primary IDE" and it boots > fine. I'd like it to boot without intervention like that. > > Thanks, > > ck I take it that Dell support didn't have any ideas on this one? This sounds like a Dell-specific thing. From ckjohnson at gwi.net Tue Oct 26 15:57:45 2004 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 11:57:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Remember my server lockup? In-Reply-To: <417E7034.90507@inlandlakes.org> References: <417E7034.90507@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <417E73F9.9020404@gwi.net> Shawn Powers wrote: > If I have a windows share mounted via smbclient onto my server, after > about 10-15 minutes, my server locks up hard. I can find no log error > messages, or any thing that hints toward problems, but BAM, after > those few minutes it just locks up. So was that entry in fstab of type smbfs, not cifs? Chris From spowers at inlandlakes.org Tue Oct 26 16:07:04 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 12:07:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Remember my server lockup? In-Reply-To: <417E73F9.9020404@gwi.net> References: <417E7034.90507@inlandlakes.org> <417E73F9.9020404@gwi.net> Message-ID: <417E7628.3060805@inlandlakes.org> Christopher K. Johnson wrote: > So was that entry in fstab of type smbfs, not cifs? Yes -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From spowers at inlandlakes.org Tue Oct 26 16:53:56 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 12:53:56 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] rdesktop question Message-ID: <417E8124.2090109@inlandlakes.org> I'm sure there is an rdesktop list, but I dont' belong to it, so bear with me... Does anyone run Windows 2003 terminal services and rdesktop into it? I have been on the phone with microsoft for 2 days about temporary licensing and permanent TSCALs. Finally, with no help from MS, I discovered that if I connect to the terminal server with the -4 flag (using RDP v4) I get issued a permanent license, but if I use the default -5 flag, I get issued a temporary, which expires in 120 days or so. (my users started getting messages about their licensing expiring... thankfully EVERY one of them called me to tell me...) Is there a way to make a call to the rdesktop program use the -4 flag by default system wide? I know for a personal user, you can set an alias in .bashrc, or .profile, or one of those files -- can the same be done system wide? If so, would it still be honored if the rdesktop program is called from within another script? Should I just wrap rdesktop into a script that calls with with the -4 flag? Also, what are the differences between RDP v4 and v5? Will there be other implications for me? Thanks for any pointers, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Tue Oct 26 17:23:15 2004 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 10:23:15 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] rdesktop question In-Reply-To: <417E8124.2090109@inlandlakes.org> References: <417E8124.2090109@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <1098811394.2157.39.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 09:53, Shawn Powers wrote: > Is there a way to make a call to the rdesktop program use the -4 flag by > default system wide? Have you thought about using tsclient? -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From spowers at inlandlakes.org Tue Oct 26 17:32:29 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 13:32:29 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] rdesktop question In-Reply-To: <1098811394.2157.39.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> References: <417E8124.2090109@inlandlakes.org> <1098811394.2157.39.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <417E8A2D.4000101@inlandlakes.org> Dan Young wrote: > Have you thought about using tsclient? No... I don't know what that is... -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From spowers at inlandlakes.org Tue Oct 26 17:42:04 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 13:42:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] rdesktop question In-Reply-To: <417E8A2D.4000101@inlandlakes.org> References: <417E8124.2090109@inlandlakes.org> <1098811394.2157.39.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> <417E8A2D.4000101@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <417E8C6C.4030309@inlandlakes.org> Shawn Powers wrote: > No... I don't know what that is... In reply to myself -- tsclient is just a frontend for rdesktop. It uses rdesktop as it's "backend" to quote the package maintainer. -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Tue Oct 26 17:55:57 2004 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 10:55:57 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] rdesktop question In-Reply-To: <417E8C6C.4030309@inlandlakes.org> References: <417E8124.2090109@inlandlakes.org> <1098811394.2157.39.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> <417E8A2D.4000101@inlandlakes.org> <417E8C6C.4030309@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <1098813357.2157.42.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 10:42, Shawn Powers wrote: > Shawn Powers wrote: > > No... I don't know what that is... > > In reply to myself -- tsclient is just a frontend for rdesktop. It uses > rdesktop as it's "backend" to quote the package maintainer. Right. It seems like it has some facility for saving preferences, i.e. RDPv4 vs. v5. Perhaps this could be automated for your staff by dropping a pre-configured .tsclient folder in /etc/skel and pushing it out to existing users. -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From mguerra at cariari.ucr.ac.cr Tue Oct 26 19:13:00 2004 From: mguerra at cariari.ucr.ac.cr (Mario Guerra) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 13:13:00 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] rdesktop question In-Reply-To: <417E8C6C.4030309@inlandlakes.org> References: <417E8124.2090109@inlandlakes.org> <417E8A2D.4000101@inlandlakes.org> <417E8C6C.4030309@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <200410261313.00079.mguerra@cariari.ucr.ac.cr> El Martes, 26 de Octubre de 2004 11:42 AM, Shawn Powers escribi?: > Shawn Powers wrote: > > No... I don't know what that is... > > In reply to myself -- tsclient is just a frontend for rdesktop. It uses > rdesktop as it's "backend" to quote the package maintainer. > > -Shawn Or rather a frontend for rdesktop AND VNC. Mario Guerra From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Tue Oct 26 19:17:53 2004 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 12:17:53 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] rdesktop question In-Reply-To: <200410261313.00079.mguerra@cariari.ucr.ac.cr> References: <417E8124.2090109@inlandlakes.org> <417E8A2D.4000101@inlandlakes.org> <417E8C6C.4030309@inlandlakes.org> <200410261313.00079.mguerra@cariari.ucr.ac.cr> Message-ID: <1098818273.2157.51.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 12:13, Mario Guerra wrote: > > In reply to myself -- tsclient is just a frontend for rdesktop. It uses > > rdesktop as it's "backend" to quote the package maintainer. > > Or rather a frontend for rdesktop AND VNC. And Xnest. -- Dan Young From spowers at inlandlakes.org Tue Oct 26 19:38:41 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 15:38:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Remote Sound Message-ID: <417EA7C1.80104@inlandlakes.org> Is there a trick to getting sound to work with firefox/flash (or mozilla/flash) on thin clients? I have the remote sound hacks=Y in the /etc/sysconfig/k12ltsp file -- but none of the "magic" environment variables seem to get set when the thin client boots... I do have remote sound working (esd) and using esdplay will play a file fine... Any tips? Am I forgetting a silly step? Thanks yet again, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Tue Oct 26 19:51:49 2004 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 15:51:49 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Using tar on win98 clients Message-ID: <1098820309.23970.13.camel@discovery.media.local> I know this is a bit off topic, but I'm doing the ever necessary task of ghosting. I would be using partimage (and I was), except some of the hard disks are different sizes (and partimage doesn't support shrinking). I'm using a knoppix cd (3.4 i think). I'm trying tar (trying to keep it simple), and when I restore the image onto a fresh drive, it still won't boot properly (I'm even using msdos fdisk /mbr to reset the MBR). So the MBR is in place, it just doesn't want to load from there. Any suggestions or hints? THanks. Basically, my requirements are a imaging program (or tar) that handles restoring to smaller drives (of course, big enough for the actual data). I've spent waaaay too much time trying to get this monster to work. Henry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From k12ltsp at gmail.com Tue Oct 26 20:09:51 2004 From: k12ltsp at gmail.com (None None) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 13:09:51 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Test message? In-Reply-To: <69b790a804102513245eaae1d8@mail.gmail.com> References: <69b790a804102513245eaae1d8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1fc830620410261309663f5b2@mail.gmail.com> http://gmail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=6588&query=mailing+list&topic=&type=f I sent a message to a mailing list that I'm on, but I didn't see that message in my inbox. Is something wrong? Answer return to Help Center Not at all. To help save you time, Gmail automatically archives messages that you send. If the message is in 'Sent Mail,' then it went out to the mailing list successfully. You'll see it in your inbox only if there was an error in sending the message or if someone responds to your message. Sent messages are also available in 'All Mail.' On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 13:24:21 -0700, Roger Morris wrote: > On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:45:46 -0500, Brad Bendily wrote: > > Sorry about this. When I post a message from gmail i'm not > > seeing the message in my inbox. So far i'm only able to see the > > messge when someone replies to me. I know the messages > > are getting there because I see them in the archive. > > Anyone else having this problem? It might be an issue with gmail. > > This is the first list i've used with gmail. > Do you have a filter for this list? > When I reply to a message, if you look at what you replied to, it's > there. You do see it in the 'sent mail' folder? > > Roger > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From CableMonkey42 at gmail.com Tue Oct 26 21:04:33 2004 From: CableMonkey42 at gmail.com (Daniel Hogan) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 16:04:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Using tar on win98 clients In-Reply-To: <1098820309.23970.13.camel@discovery.media.local> References: <1098820309.23970.13.camel@discovery.media.local> Message-ID: This is what I normally do in Knoppix. I'm assuming that the harddrive is hda. On the harddrive you wish to copy from: 1. Using QTParted, shrink the size of the partition(s) so that it will fit on the smaller harddrive. I usually go for anything smaller than the size of the smallest harddrive. 2. dd if=/dev/hda of=myimage.mbr bs=512 count=1 3. sfdisk -d /dev/hda > myimage.sfdisk 4. Use partimage to copy the partition(s) from the harddrive. On the harddrive wish to copy to (I'm assuming hda on a different computer): 1. dd if=myimage.mbr of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 2. sfdisk /dev/hda < myimage.sfdisk 3. Use partimage to write the image to the harddrive. 4. Use QTParted to resize the partition to whatever size you wish. 5. Reboot. I usually mount a samba share and store the myimage.mbr, myimage.sfdisk, and the partition image files on it so that I can easily access it from the other computers. Hope this helps. On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 15:51:49 -0400, Henry Burroughs wrote: > I know this is a bit off topic, but I'm doing the ever necessary task of > ghosting. I would be using partimage (and I was), except some of the hard > disks are different sizes (and partimage doesn't support shrinking). I'm > using a knoppix cd (3.4 i think). > > I'm trying tar (trying to keep it simple), and when I restore the image > onto a fresh drive, it still won't boot properly (I'm even using msdos fdisk > /mbr to reset the MBR). So the MBR is in place, it just doesn't want to > load from there. Any suggestions or hints? THanks. > > Basically, my requirements are a imaging program (or tar) that handles > restoring to smaller drives (of course, big enough for the actual data). > > I've spent waaaay too much time trying to get this monster to work. > > Henry > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From cliebow at downeast.net Tue Oct 26 21:15:00 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow) Date: 26 Oct 2004 17:15:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Using tar on win98 clients In-Reply-To: <1098820309.23970.13.camel@discovery.media.local> References: <1098820309.23970.13.camel@discovery.media.local> Message-ID: <1098825299.3824.4.camel@leigh> cant you just dd? ive dd'ed 40 gig drives before...chuck On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 15:51, Henry Burroughs wrote: > I know this is a bit off topic, but I'm doing the ever necessary task > of ghosting. I would be using partimage (and I was), except some of > the hard disks are different sizes (and partimage doesn't support > shrinking). I'm using a knoppix cd (3.4 i think). > > I'm trying tar (trying to keep it simple), and when I restore the > image onto a fresh drive, it still won't boot properly (I'm even using > msdos fdisk /mbr to reset the MBR). So the MBR is in place, it just > doesn't want to load from there. Any suggestions or hints? THanks. > > Basically, my requirements are a imaging program (or tar) that handles > restoring to smaller drives (of course, big enough for the actual > data). > > I've spent waaaay too much time trying to get this monster to work. > > Henry > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From Trae.Elmore at marshall.tstc.edu Tue Oct 26 21:20:29 2004 From: Trae.Elmore at marshall.tstc.edu (Trae Elmore) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 16:20:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux classes Message-ID: Where can I find information on rubrics and objective assessments for developing an "Intro to Linux" course for our school? Trae Elmore CNE, MCP Assistant Program Chair of Computer Science trae.elmore at marshall.tstc.edu 903) 935-1010 ext. 3361 From roger.in.eugene at gmail.com Tue Oct 26 21:23:57 2004 From: roger.in.eugene at gmail.com (Roger Morris) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 14:23:57 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Using tar on win98 clients In-Reply-To: <1098825299.3824.4.camel@leigh> References: <1098820309.23970.13.camel@discovery.media.local> <1098825299.3824.4.camel@leigh> Message-ID: <69b790a804102614237a3dea6e@mail.gmail.com> On 26 Oct 2004 17:15:00 -0400, cliebow wrote: > cant you just dd? ive dd'ed 40 gig drives before...chuck I have had problems with 'dd' when the target is smaller than the source. I've used dd from a small HD to a larger HD with no problem.. Roger From adammelancon at gmail.com Tue Oct 26 21:33:47 2004 From: adammelancon at gmail.com (Adam Melancon) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 16:33:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Squidguard Google Redirection Alternative In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <489287610410261433396b554c@mail.gmail.com> I have friends who are sysadmins at other libraries, and most of them are using other filtering appliances other than squidguard. Since they are not running squidguard they can't take advantage of the google rewrite in squidGuard.conf that keeps the "Google Safesearch" on. rewrite google { s@(google.com/search.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i s@(google.com/images.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i s@(google.com/groups.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i s@(google.com/news.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i # log google } We have come up with an alternative solution for them, and I thought I would pass the tip along. I have noticed that the Safesearch is on by default. Block access to this: http://*.google.*/preferences* If you block the link above, they are unable to get to the preferences page at google, and therefore unable to turn off Safesearch. Now I know that someone can just probably alter the URL and somehow get past the Safesearch, but this should cover a good bit of the problem if you are not running squidguard. I just figured I'd share this tip. From CableMonkey42 at gmail.com Tue Oct 26 22:00:49 2004 From: CableMonkey42 at gmail.com (Daniel Hogan) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 17:00:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Using tar on win98 clients In-Reply-To: <69b790a804102614237a3dea6e@mail.gmail.com> References: <1098820309.23970.13.camel@discovery.media.local> <1098825299.3824.4.camel@leigh> <69b790a804102614237a3dea6e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: >From what I understand, dd works as long as the following conditions are met: A) The hard drive is equal to or larger in capacity than the one you are copying from B) The hard drive geometry is similar. I forget exactly which parameters matter. On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 14:23:57 -0700, Roger Morris wrote: > On 26 Oct 2004 17:15:00 -0400, cliebow wrote: > > cant you just dd? ive dd'ed 40 gig drives before...chuck > > I have had problems with 'dd' when the target is smaller than the > source. I've used dd from a small HD to a larger HD with no problem.. > Roger > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Tue Oct 26 22:25:06 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 17:25:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Using tar on win98 clients In-Reply-To: <1098820309.23970.13.camel@discovery.media.local> References: <1098820309.23970.13.camel@discovery.media.local> Message-ID: <1098829505.20859.15.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 14:51, Henry Burroughs wrote: > I know this is a bit off topic, but I'm doing the ever necessary task > of ghosting. I would be using partimage (and I was), except some of > the hard disks are different sizes (and partimage doesn't support > shrinking). I'm using a knoppix cd (3.4 i think). > > I'm trying tar (trying to keep it simple), and when I restore the > image onto a fresh drive, it still won't boot properly (I'm even using > msdos fdisk /mbr to reset the MBR). So the MBR is in place, it just > doesn't want to load from there. Any suggestions or hints? THanks. > > Basically, my requirements are a imaging program (or tar) that handles > restoring to smaller drives (of course, big enough for the actual > data). > > I've spent waaaay too much time trying to get this monster to work. You've probably done this part already: fdisk partitions with enough space mke2fs -j (each partition except swap) mkswap (the swap partion) mount them somewhere tar -xp to put the contents in place Now, you have 2 things to fix. One is that the fstab you copied probably says to mount labels instead of partition names, the other is that you don't have a boot loader installed in the MBR on the drive. If you know you are going this route, edit the /etc/fstab file before making the tar copy and change it to have partition names instead of labels so it will be right on the clone. Alternatively you can run e2label from the knoppix cd to add the labels to the partitions, or edit fstab on the copy while running from knoppix. If you are cloning a k12ltsp install, redhat, or fedora, boot the install CD and at the boot prompt enter 'Linux rescue'. If the /etc/fstab file matches your partition layout by now, it will offer to mount the partitions under /mnt/sysinstall and show the command to chroot there. Do it, then grub-install to make the new system bootable, then exit (twice) to unmount the drives cleanly and reboot. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Tue Oct 26 23:11:06 2004 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 16:11:06 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Adding and removing users without being in root Message-ID: <417ED98A.1010903@elp.rr.com> I have a teacher who has three stand alone machines running K12LTSP 4.2. I want to know if I can give her access to the add-remove users GUI with out giving her access to root or the root password. If I can do this can someone please enlighten me on how to go about it. Thanks Pat From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Oct 26 23:49:09 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 19:49:09 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Adding and removing users without being in root In-Reply-To: <417ED98A.1010903@elp.rr.com> References: <417ED98A.1010903@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <417EE275.2020408@cmosnetworks.com> John P. Conlon wrote: > I have a teacher who has three stand alone machines running K12LTSP > 4.2. I want to know if I can give her access to the add-remove users > GUI with out giving her access to root or the root password. If I can > do this can someone please enlighten me on how to go about it. > Thanks > Pat > > > You might wish to consider the use of sudo for this. However, this may end up giving her the ability to create her own username with a UID of 0, which would give her root. --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From bear2bar at netscape.net Wed Oct 27 00:26:28 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 20:26:28 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Adding and removing users without being in root In-Reply-To: <417EE275.2020408@cmosnetworks.com> References: <417ED98A.1010903@elp.rr.com> <417EE275.2020408@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <417EEB34.9090506@netscape.net> microman at cmosnetworks.com wrote: > John P. Conlon wrote: > >> I have a teacher who has three stand alone machines running K12LTSP >> 4.2. I want to know if I can give her access to the add-remove users >> GUI with out giving her access to root or the root password. If I >> can do this can someone please enlighten me on how to go about it. >> Thanks >> Pat >> >> >> > > You might wish to consider the use of sudo for this. However, this > may end up giving her the ability to create her own username with a > UID of 0, which would give her root. > > --TP > _____________________ > Do you GNU!? > Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check > it out! > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see Hi John, You might try installing WEBMIN and creating a limited administrator account with user priviledges..... norbert From haysja at sages.us Wed Oct 27 01:08:38 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 20:08:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Adding and removing users without being in root In-Reply-To: <417EEB34.9090506@netscape.net> References: <417ED98A.1010903@elp.rr.com> <417EE275.2020408@cmosnetworks.com> <417EEB34.9090506@netscape.net> Message-ID: <1098839318.417ef51640f6b@sages.us> Webmin is definitely the answer to this. Quoting norbert : > microman at cmosnetworks.com wrote: > > > John P. Conlon wrote: > > > >> I have a teacher who has three stand alone machines running K12LTSP > >> 4.2. I want to know if I can give her access to the add-remove users > >> GUI with out giving her access to root or the root password. If I > >> can do this can someone please enlighten me on how to go about it. > >> Thanks > >> Pat > >> > >> > >> > > > > You might wish to consider the use of sudo for this. However, this > > may end up giving her the ability to create her own username with a > > UID of 0, which would give her root. > > > > --TP > > _____________________ > > Do you GNU!? > > Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check > > it out! > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > Hi John, > > You might try installing WEBMIN and creating a limited administrator > account with user priviledges..... > > norbert > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ----------------------------------------- Jim Hays Technology Director Monticello CUSD#25 Monticello, IL 61856 ----------------------------------------- From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Wed Oct 27 01:28:19 2004 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 18:28:19 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Adding and removing users without being in root In-Reply-To: <1098839318.417ef51640f6b@sages.us> References: <417ED98A.1010903@elp.rr.com> <417EE275.2020408@cmosnetworks.com> <417EEB34.9090506@netscape.net> <1098839318.417ef51640f6b@sages.us> Message-ID: <417EF9B3.8020704@elp.rr.com> Is WEBMIN in the K12LTSP or do I need to go look for it some place? I'm not the most savy Linux person so a little bit more detailed response would help. Thanks again Pat Jim Hays wrote: >Webmin is definitely the answer to this. > > >Quoting norbert : > > > >>microman at cmosnetworks.com wrote: >> >> >> >>>John P. Conlon wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>I have a teacher who has three stand alone machines running K12LTSP >>>>4.2. I want to know if I can give her access to the add-remove users >>>>GUI with out giving her access to root or the root password. If I >>>>can do this can someone please enlighten me on how to go about it. >>>>Thanks >>>>Pat >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>You might wish to consider the use of sudo for this. However, this >>>may end up giving her the ability to create her own username with a >>>UID of 0, which would give her root. >>> >>>--TP >>>_____________________ >>>Do you GNU!? >>>Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check >>>it out! >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >>> >>Hi John, >> >>You might try installing WEBMIN and creating a limited administrator >>account with user priviledges..... >> >>norbert >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > > >----------------------------------------- >Jim Hays >Technology Director >Monticello CUSD#25 >Monticello, IL 61856 >----------------------------------------- > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robark at telus.net Wed Oct 27 01:55:18 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 18:55:18 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Purging ALL users In-Reply-To: <417D5641.10105@inlandlakes.org> References: <417D5641.10105@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <417F0006.6090308@telus.net> Shawn Powers wrote: > > 1) can the "purge user processes" script be called by xdm? > 2) can kdm be configured to ONLY allow icewm in 4.0.1? > 3) is there any way to kill ALL users processes without > bunkfidarnaking up the server and without rebooting? > There is also the option of killing the users processes at logout by calling a script from TakeConsole. So no cron job needed. That's how CT Leung in Manitoba does it http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=7418 check out his Suicide script. Robert Arkiletian From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Wed Oct 27 04:39:49 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 23:39:49 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Using tar on win98 clients In-Reply-To: References: <1098820309.23970.13.camel@discovery.media.local> Message-ID: I jusr use rsync from the hard drive in the Windows98 computer to a directory on the server and then use the regular fdisk tools to create a partition of desired size on the computer, format it using the windows format tools and then rsync the windows back to it. No problems so far for me! Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Tue, 26 Oct 2004, Daniel Hogan wrote: > This is what I normally do in Knoppix. I'm assuming that the harddrive is hda. > > On the harddrive you wish to copy from: > > 1. Using QTParted, shrink the size of the partition(s) so that it will > fit on the smaller harddrive. I usually go for anything smaller than > the size of the smallest harddrive. > 2. dd if=/dev/hda of=myimage.mbr bs=512 count=1 > 3. sfdisk -d /dev/hda > myimage.sfdisk > 4. Use partimage to copy the partition(s) from the harddrive. > > On the harddrive wish to copy to (I'm assuming hda on a different computer): > > 1. dd if=myimage.mbr of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 > 2. sfdisk /dev/hda < myimage.sfdisk > 3. Use partimage to write the image to the harddrive. > 4. Use QTParted to resize the partition to whatever size you wish. > 5. Reboot. > > I usually mount a samba share and store the myimage.mbr, > myimage.sfdisk, and the partition image files on it so that I can > easily access it from the other computers. > > Hope this helps. > > On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 15:51:49 -0400, Henry Burroughs > wrote: > > I know this is a bit off topic, but I'm doing the ever necessary task of > > ghosting. I would be using partimage (and I was), except some of the hard > > disks are different sizes (and partimage doesn't support shrinking). I'm > > using a knoppix cd (3.4 i think). > > > > I'm trying tar (trying to keep it simple), and when I restore the image > > onto a fresh drive, it still won't boot properly (I'm even using msdos fdisk > > /mbr to reset the MBR). So the MBR is in place, it just doesn't want to > > load from there. Any suggestions or hints? THanks. > > > > Basically, my requirements are a imaging program (or tar) that handles > > restoring to smaller drives (of course, big enough for the actual data). > > > > I've spent waaaay too much time trying to get this monster to work. > > > > Henry > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Wed Oct 27 04:43:16 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 23:43:16 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Adding and removing users without being in root In-Reply-To: <417EF9B3.8020704@elp.rr.com> References: <417ED98A.1010903@elp.rr.com> <417EE275.2020408@cmosnetworks.com> <417EEB34.9090506@netscape.net> <1098839318.417ef51640f6b@sages.us> <417EF9B3.8020704@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: webmin.com It won't work on FC1 and higher, though to add users. . . You can try it but it will probably fail. I have turned it in to bugtraq and hopefully a fix is in the works. . . Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Tue, 26 Oct 2004, John P. Conlon wrote: > Is WEBMIN in the K12LTSP or do I need to go look for it some place? I'm > not the most savy Linux person so a little bit more detailed response > would help. > Thanks again > Pat > > Jim Hays wrote: > > >Webmin is definitely the answer to this. > > > > > >Quoting norbert : > > > > > > > >>microman at cmosnetworks.com wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>John P. Conlon wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>I have a teacher who has three stand alone machines running K12LTSP > >>>>4.2. I want to know if I can give her access to the add-remove users > >>>>GUI with out giving her access to root or the root password. If I > >>>>can do this can someone please enlighten me on how to go about it. > >>>>Thanks > >>>>Pat > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>You might wish to consider the use of sudo for this. However, this > >>>may end up giving her the ability to create her own username with a > >>>UID of 0, which would give her root. > >>> > >>>--TP > >>>_____________________ > >>>Do you GNU!? > >>>Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check > >>>it out! > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>K12OSN mailing list > >>>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>>For more info see > >>> > >>> > >>Hi John, > >> > >>You might try installing WEBMIN and creating a limited administrator > >>account with user priviledges..... > >> > >>norbert > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>K12OSN mailing list > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>For more info see > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >----------------------------------------- > >Jim Hays > >Technology Director > >Monticello CUSD#25 > >Monticello, IL 61856 > >----------------------------------------- > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > > > From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Wed Oct 27 05:04:55 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 01:04:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Adding and removing users without being in root In-Reply-To: References: <417ED98A.1010903@elp.rr.com> <417EE275.2020408@cmosnetworks.com> <417EEB34.9090506@netscape.net> <1098839318.417ef51640f6b@sages.us> <417EF9B3.8020704@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <417F2C77.4060806@cfl.rr.com> Log into root user in the graphical login, go to "Install Additional Software", then click on the icon to install Webmin, which runs a script to install the latest Webmin RPM. Works great on FC1, and FC2. Doug Simpson wrote: >webmin.com > >It won't work on FC1 and higher, though to add users. . . > >You can try it but it will probably fail. I have turned it in to bugtraq >and hopefully a fix is in the works. . . > >Doug Simpson >Technology Specialist >DeQueen Public Schools >DeQueen, AR 71832 >simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >Tux for President! > >On Tue, 26 Oct 2004, John P. Conlon wrote: > > > >>Is WEBMIN in the K12LTSP or do I need to go look for it some place? I'm >>not the most savy Linux person so a little bit more detailed response >>would help. >>Thanks again >>Pat >> >>Jim Hays wrote: >> >> >> >>>Webmin is definitely the answer to this. >>> >>> >>>Quoting norbert : >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>microman at cmosnetworks.com wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>John P. Conlon wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>I have a teacher who has three stand alone machines running K12LTSP >>>>>>4.2. I want to know if I can give her access to the add-remove users >>>>>>GUI with out giving her access to root or the root password. If I >>>>>>can do this can someone please enlighten me on how to go about it. >>>>>>Thanks >>>>>>Pat >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>You might wish to consider the use of sudo for this. However, this >>>>>may end up giving her the ability to create her own username with a >>>>>UID of 0, which would give her root. >>>>> >>>>>--TP >>>>>_____________________ >>>>>Do you GNU!? >>>>>Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check >>>>>it out! >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>K12OSN mailing list >>>>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>>For more info see >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Hi John, >>>> >>>>You might try installing WEBMIN and creating a limited administrator >>>>account with user priviledges..... >>>> >>>>norbert >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>K12OSN mailing list >>>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>For more info see >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>----------------------------------------- >>>Jim Hays >>>Technology Director >>>Monticello CUSD#25 >>>Monticello, IL 61856 >>>----------------------------------------- >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org Wed Oct 27 05:33:33 2004 From: jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org (Jonathan Carter) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 07:33:33 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Floppy permission problem In-Reply-To: <1098711177.4357.3.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <41790927.60007@shuttleworthfoundation.org> <417916A9.1000103@cmosnetworks.com> <417CA9D0.9000102@shuttleworthfoundation.org> <1098711177.4357.3.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <417F332D.3050300@shuttleworthfoundation.org> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au Wed Oct 27 07:21:26 2004 From: debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au (Debbie Schiel) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 17:21:26 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Definitive guide to editing gnome menus? In-Reply-To: <1098795270.14150.1.camel@ltsp1a003.ltsp1a> References: <417E38B6.1090704@redeemer.qld.edu.au> <1098795270.14150.1.camel@ltsp1a003.ltsp1a> Message-ID: <417F4C76.4000000@redeemer.qld.edu.au> Hi Bimal, and thanks for your tips. I gave them a go (step by step, no errors produced) but they have had no effect. You say that it works for redhat linux 9.0 with gnome2. I am using Fedora Core 2 with whatever came as default with k12ltsp 4.1.0 - is that the same as your setup? If it is then I must be doing something wrong and I will try it again, otherwise it means that this method doesn't work with K12ltsp 4.1.0. Thanks again, Debbie bimal pandit wrote: > try the attached file's method, i did this and is working perfectly!! > > bimal > > On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 17:14, Debbie Schiel wrote: > >>Hi all, >> >>Does anyone have *the* guide to editing the 'start menu'? >> >>I'm using the k12ltsp 4.1.0 install (Fedora Core 2) and the default >>out-of-the-box session (gnome??). >> >>I have tried the methods described on the Gnome.org/learn site, and >>followed suggestions from previous posts in k12osn, without luck. I have >>somehow been able to *add* to the menu - but they're duplicates of what >>is already there... I don't want to delete the apps, just make them >>unavailable to groups/users. >> >>Going on my past experiences, I reckon I would probably get there in the >>end, but tips and advice could make my 'journey' a lot shorter. (They're >>also very encouraging!) >> >>Thanks, >> >>Debbie >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> /usr/share/applications >> >> >> /etc/X11/applnk >> /usr/share/gnome/apps >> /usr/share/applnk >> >> >> /usr/share/control-center-2.0/capplets/ >> /usr/share/gnome/capplets/ >> >> /usr/share/desktop-menu-files >> >> >> >> >> Applications >> Applications.directory >> gnome-search-tool.desktop >> gnome-network-scheme.desktop >> >> >> >> Core >> >> Merged >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Internet >> Internet.directory >> redhat-web.desktop >> net-gaim.desktop >> redhat-gnomemeeting.desktop >> >> >> X-Red-Hat-Base >> Application >> Network >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> MediaPlayer >> MediaPlayer.directory >> mediaplayer.desktop >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Office >> Office.directory >> redhat-drawing.desktop >> redhat-diagrams.desktop >> redhat-math.desktop >> openoffice-printeradmin.desktop >> codefactory-mrproject.desktop >> >> >> X-Red-Hat-Base >> Application >> >> Office >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Other >> Other.directory >> >> >> >> Application >> >> >> Settings >> X-Red-Hat-Base-Only >> X-Red-Hat-Base >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>This is the customization process for a user "user1" in gnome environment >> >>i took help from "http://www.bluethingy.com/linux/rh8menu.html" site a lot of thanks to >> >>mknepher at bluethingy.com(in fact his name was not there!!) >> >>i am using redhat linux 9.0 with gnome2 >> >>Why? >>---- >>In fact i had installed LTSP server and wanted that the gnome desktop should be customized per user, as i searched the net and got a few valuable links(like above) which helped me to get my work done, so i thought to give back "The NET Community" so that they can get releif while doing the same task. >> >> >>How I did This? >>--------------- >> >>[root at localhost root]# useradd user1 >> >>[root at localhost root]# passwd ****** >>< do confirmation > >> >>[root at localhost root]# cd /home/user1/.gnome2 >> >>NOTE:- IN CASE YOU DON'T GET THIS DIRECTORY DON'T GET PANICKED, AS THIS MEANS YOU DID'NT LOGGED IN AS THIS USER SO JUST LOGIN AS THIS USER(user1) ONCE AND THIS AND OTHER DIRECTORIES WILL GET CREATED AUTOMATICALLY!! >> >>[root at localhost .gnome2]# mkdir -p vfolders/applications >> >>[root at localhost .gnome2]# cd vfolders >> >>[root at localhost vfolders]# cp /etc/X11/desktop-menus/applications.menu applications.vfolder-info >> >>NOTE:- this is "applications.vfolder-info" and NOT "applications.vfolders-info" >> >>[root at localhost vfolders]# cd applications >> >>[root at localhost applications]# cp /usr/share/applications/*.desktop . >> >>NOTE:- i.e copy "/usr/share/applications/*.desktop" in this(applications) directory >> >>[root at localhost applications]# cd .. >> >>[root at localhost vfolders]# vi applications.vfolder-info >> >>AND EDIT AS PER YOUR REQUIREMENT!! >> >>HERE I AM GIVING MY CUSTOMIZED ENTRIES WHICH REDUCED THE DESKTOP MENU TO A GREAT EXTANT!! >> >>CONTENTS OF "applications.vfolder-info" >> >>************************* YOU CAN CUT AND PASTE BELOW GIVEN ENTRIES ****************************** >> >> >> >> >> >> /usr/share/applications >> >> >> /etc/X11/applnk >> /usr/share/gnome/apps >> /usr/share/applnk >> >> >> /usr/share/control-center-2.0/capplets/ >> /usr/share/gnome/capplets/ >> >> /usr/share/desktop-menu-files >> >> >> >> >> Applications >> Applications.directory >> gnome-search-tool.desktop >> gnome-network-scheme.desktop >> >> >> >> Core >> >> Merged >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Internet >> Internet.directory >> redhat-web.desktop >> net-gaim.desktop >> redhat-gnomemeeting.desktop >> >> >> X-Red-Hat-Base >> Application >> Network >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Office >> Office.directory >> redhat-drawing.desktop >> redhat-diagrams.desktop >> redhat-math.desktop >> openoffice-printeradmin.desktop >> codefactory-mrproject.desktop >> >> >> X-Red-Hat-Base >> Application >> >> Office >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Graphics >> Graphics.directory >> net-xpdf.desktop >> >> >> >> >> >> Other >> Other.directory >> >> >> >> Application >> >> >> Settings >> X-Red-Hat-Base-Only >> X-Red-Hat-Base >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>************************** YOU CAN CUT AND PASTE ABOVE ENTRIES ******************************* >> >>one should also remember that there may be some link file(s) (of additionally installed packages) , so you need to create that link accordingly as i did :- >> >>ln -s /usr/share/desktop-menu-patches/redhat-drawing.desktop /home/user1/.gnome2/vfolders/applications/redhat-drawing.desktop >> >>ln -s /usr/share/desktop-menu-patches/redhat-email.desktop /home/user1/.gnome2/vfolders/applications/redhat-email.desktop >>ln -s /usr/share/desktop-menu-patches/redhat-math.desktop /home/user1/.gnome2/vfolders/applications/redhat-math.desktop >> >>ln -s /usr/share/desktop-menu-patches/redhat-presentations.desktop /home/user1/.gnome2/vfolders/applications/redhat-presentations.desktop >> >>ln -s /usr/share/desktop-menu-patches/redhat-spreadsheet.desktop /home/user1/.gnome2/vfolders/applications/redhat-spreadsheet.desktop >> >>ln -s /usr/share/desktop-menu-patches/redhat-web.desktop /home/user1/.gnome2/vfolders/applications/redhat-web.desktop >> >>ln -s /usr/share/desktop-menu-patches/redhat-word-processor.desktop /home/user1/.gnome2/vfolders/applications/redhat-word-processor.desktop >> >> >>in case you may not be knowing the name of the menu/submenu as to which you want to exclude, as the actual name may be different to the what you are getting in the menu e.g. >> >>in the main menu under "internet" menu you will see "Mozilla Web Browser" while in applications directory(that you created) you wont find any thing, even containing this name(Mozilla) so the way out is just hover your curser on that menu and see what is the "comment" it is showing to you as in this example, when you hover the curser over "Mozilla Web Browser" you will get "Browse the internet" message/comment so just do >> >>[root at localhost applications]# grep "Browse the Internet" * >> >>this will give you >> >>redhat-web.desktop:Comment=Browse the Internet >> >>so you have to exclude "redhat-web.desktop" >> >>similarly can search and include/exclude others!! >> >>So far i hope this will help atleast one person in this world !! >>well i am not a programmer and XML is a black box for me so no help in this matter, i am just a linux enthusiast!! >> >>Bimal Pandit >> >> >> >>NOTE:- >> >>pls mail me in case someone need further help and if i can i will!! >> >>here are my email id's :- bimalp at indoasian.com, hello_bee at rediffmail.com, hello_bee at indiatimes.com >> >> >>other useful link >>http://gnome.org/learn/ >> >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>HOW ACTUALLY I FOUND THIS AND COPIED AND EDITED THESE !! >>-------------------------------------------------------- >> >>[root at cluster01 vfolders]# locate Office.directory >> >>/usr/share/desktop-menu-files/Office.directory >>/usr/share/gnome/vfolders/Office.directory >> >>[root at cluster01 vfolders]# cp /usr/share/desktop-menu-files/Office.directory /usr/share/desktop-menu-files/MediaPlayer.directory >> >>[root at cluster01 vfolders]# vi /usr/share/desktop-menu-files/MediaPlayer.directory >> >>[root at cluster01 vfolders]# cp /usr/share/desktop-menu-files/MediaPlayer.directory /usr/share/gnome/vfolders/ >> >>================================================================================================== >> >>[root at cluster01 applications]# vi mediaplayer.desktop >> >>[Desktop Entry] >>Name=Media Player >>Encoding=UTF-8 >>Comment=play your audio files >>Exec=/usr/bin/xmms >>Terminal=0 >>Type=Application >>Icon=gnome-audio2.png >>Categories=Application;Network;X-Red-Hat-Extras; >> >> >>[root at cluster01 applications]# cd .. >> >>[root at cluster01 applications]# vi applications.vfolder-info >> >> >> >> MediaPlayer >> MediaPlayer.directory >> mediaplayer.desktop >> >> >> >>[root at cluster01 applications]# vi /usr/share/desktop-menu-files/MediaPlayer.directory >> >>[Desktop Entry] >>Name=MediaPlayer >>Comment=Play your Audiio files >>Icon=gnome-audio2.png >>Type=Directory >> >> >>[root at cluster01 applications]# cp /usr/share/desktop-menu-files/MediaPlayer.directory /usr/share/gnome/vfolders/ >> >>NOTE:- ACTUALLY ALL THE ICONS ARE LOCATED AT "/user/share/pixmaps/*.png" SO YOU NEED TO CHOOSE YOUR ICON AND JUST PUT ITS NAME, FOR SHORTCUT JUST CLICK RIGHT BUTTON OF YOUR MOUSE ON DESKTOP AREA AND SELECT "new launcher" THEN CLICK ON "no icon" THIS WILL GIVE A LIST OF ALL ICONS WITH THEIR PICTURES!! >> >>================================================================================================== >> >>FIRST MOVE TO "vfolders" DIRECTORY AND EDIT THIS >> >>[root at cluster01 vfolders]# vi applications.vfolder-info >> >> >> >> Internet >> Internet.directory >> mozilla-mail-client.desktop >> redhat-web.desktop >> redhat-gnomemeeting.desktop >> >> >> X-Red-Hat-Base >> Application >> Network >> >> >> >> >> >> >>[root at cluster01 vfolders]# cd applications >> >>[root at cluster01 applications]# vi mozilla-mail-client.desktop >> >>[Desktop Entry] >>Name=Mozill Mail >>Encoding=UTF-8 >>Comment=mozilla mail client >>Exec=/usr/bin/mozilla -mail >>Terminal=0 >>Type=Application >>Icon=gnome-balsa2.png >>Categories=Application;Network;X-Red-Hat-Extras; >> >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see -- http://www.redeemer.qld.edu.au/ From bear2bar at netscape.net Wed Oct 27 12:45:25 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 08:45:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Adding and removing users without being in root In-Reply-To: <417EF9B3.8020704@elp.rr.com> References: <417ED98A.1010903@elp.rr.com> <417EE275.2020408@cmosnetworks.com> <417EEB34.9090506@netscape.net> <1098839318.417ef51640f6b@sages.us> <417EF9B3.8020704@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <417F9865.2080607@netscape.net> jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > Is WEBMIN in the K12LTSP or do I need to go look for it some place? > I'm not the most savy Linux person so a little bit more detailed > response would help. > Thanks again > Pat > > Jim Hays wrote: > >>Webmin is definitely the answer to this. >> >> >>Quoting norbert : >> >> >> >>>microman at cmosnetworks.com wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>John P. Conlon wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>I have a teacher who has three stand alone machines running K12LTSP >>>>>4.2. I want to know if I can give her access to the add-remove users >>>>>GUI with out giving her access to root or the root password. If I >>>>>can do this can someone please enlighten me on how to go about it. >>>>>Thanks >>>>>Pat >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>You might wish to consider the use of sudo for this. However, this >>>>may end up giving her the ability to create her own username with a >>>>UID of 0, which would give her root. >>>> >>>>--TP >>>>_____________________ >>>>Do you GNU!? >>>>Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check >>>>it out! >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>K12OSN mailing list >>>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>For more info see >>>> >>>> >>>Hi John, >>> >>>You might try installing WEBMIN and creating a limited administrator >>>account with user priviledges..... >>> >>>norbert >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>----------------------------------------- >>Jim Hays >>Technology Director >>Monticello CUSD#25 >>Monticello, IL 61856 >>----------------------------------------- >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > Hi , As root you should have an icon "install additional software" open it and launch the webmin install. norbert -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bear2bar at netscape.net Wed Oct 27 12:47:27 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 08:47:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Adding and removing users without being in root In-Reply-To: References: <417ED98A.1010903@elp.rr.com> <417EE275.2020408@cmosnetworks.com> <417EEB34.9090506@netscape.net> <1098839318.417ef51640f6b@sages.us> <417EF9B3.8020704@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <417F98DF.6000302@netscape.net> simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us wrote: >webmin.com > >It won't work on FC1 and higher, though to add users. . . > >You can try it but it will probably fail. I have turned it in to bugtraq >and hopefully a fix is in the works. . . > >Doug Simpson >Technology Specialist >DeQueen Public Schools >DeQueen, AR 71832 >simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >Tux for President! > >On Tue, 26 Oct 2004, John P. Conlon wrote: > > > >>Is WEBMIN in the K12LTSP or do I need to go look for it some place? I'm >>not the most savy Linux person so a little bit more detailed response >>would help. >>Thanks again >>Pat >> >>Jim Hays wrote: >> >> >> >>>Webmin is definitely the answer to this. >>> >>> >>>Quoting norbert : >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>microman at cmosnetworks.com wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>John P. Conlon wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>I have a teacher who has three stand alone machines running K12LTSP >>>>>>4.2. I want to know if I can give her access to the add-remove users >>>>>>GUI with out giving her access to root or the root password. If I >>>>>>can do this can someone please enlighten me on how to go about it. >>>>>>Thanks >>>>>>Pat >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>You might wish to consider the use of sudo for this. However, this >>>>>may end up giving her the ability to create her own username with a >>>>>UID of 0, which would give her root. >>>>> >>>>>--TP >>>>>_____________________ >>>>>Do you GNU!? >>>>>Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check >>>>>it out! >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>K12OSN mailing list >>>>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>>For more info see >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Hi John, >>>> >>>>You might try installing WEBMIN and creating a limited administrator >>>>account with user priviledges..... >>>> >>>>norbert >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>K12OSN mailing list >>>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>For more info see >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>----------------------------------------- >>>Jim Hays >>>Technology Director >>>Monticello CUSD#25 >>>Monticello, IL 61856 >>>----------------------------------------- >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > Hi Doug, I have it installed on both FC1 & FC2 without problems, the only issue is that once you use Webmin forget about using any other gui tools. norbert -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From microman at cmosnetworks.com Wed Oct 27 12:59:20 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 08:59:20 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Assign Drive letter c: to ata drive in linux (Glenn Arnold) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20041026084745.01ca0648@pop.easystreet.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20041026084745.01ca0648@pop.easystreet.com> Message-ID: <417F9BA8.2070705@cmosnetworks.com> For what it's worth, I have found out, as of last night, that the ASUS A7N8X-E motherboard, which has both PATA (traditional 40-pin IDE) and SATA ports, does in fact support having both simultaneously. Here is my setup: 512MB DRAM AMD Athlon 2400+ Two PATA drives on the primary PATA channel (20GB and 40GB) DVD/CDRW drive on the secondary PATA channel Two SATA disks, one on each SATA channel (both 160GB) Works like a charm. The SATA disks are in a Linux kernel RAID 1 mounted as /home; and /boot, /, /usr, and /var, as well as swap, are spread across the two PATA drives. The system boots from the 20GB PATA drive, which houses /boot and /. Yes, I probably could've partitioned it somewhat more efficiently, but this was primarily to test PATA/SATA operability. :-) Note that with motherboards with built-in "SATA RAID", don't waste your time with that RAID. If you want SATA RAID, then use your SATA ports in straight-up JBOD (Just a Bunch Of Disks) mode, and you'll be just fine. Works great with anything with a 2.6 kernel, including FC2, SuSE Linux 9.1, and Knoppix 3.6 (in kernel 2.6 mode, of course). Note also that HighPoint SATA controllers work as well, provided you're in JBOD mode. The 2.4 kernel, while supporting SATA to a degree, recognized that disks were on both SATA ports, but it could only initialize the first disk. This was with both the ASUS A7N8X-E built-in SATA ports and the HighPoint SATA controller, and I remember reading something on KernelTrap about somewhat incomplete SATA support in Linux 2.4. 2.6 fixes that. So, for those of us who, in the future, might need to build a SATA-based K12LTSP server on the cheap, you might do well to consider building it out of one or more of these components, paired with FC2 or later. --TP Carl Keil wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I thought I'd update the list since many of you tried to help me out. > I finally called Dell. I don't know why I hesitated. Well, I do know > why, most companies are exceedingly rude when you tell them you're > running Linux, (ISPs, HD manufacturers, retail outlets, etc.) Anyway, > I've never had a better experience being told that I was out of luck. > The guy was totally cool (all I ask for is a little empathy from > someone who's telling me I'm screwed by the way his product is set > up), but told me that the Dell poweredge BIOS doesn't support "mixing" > drives. I can have all sata or all ide and boot from either primary. > Or, I can boot from the sata, but I simply can't boot from the ide and > keep the sata in there without that f12 intervention at startup. So, > looks like I'm going to be buying another sata drive. > > Thanks for puzzling over this with me, next time I'll call Dell first. > > ck > > > > > > > Did you look at the boot sequence in the Dell Bios? This usually > controls the boot order of ide devices. Just make the Sata Drive the > first boot device or ahead of your other ide hard drive. > > -Glenn > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Terrell Prud?, Jr." [mailto:microman at cmosnetworks.com] > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 7:24 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Assign Drive letter c: to ata drive in linux > > Carl Keil wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I'm still having trouble booting my DELL 400sc server after installing > > a sata drive for /home. The BIOS is looking for a C: drive to boot > > from, there's no option to look at the IDE bus, or primary IDE or > > something. So, does anyone know how to make this thing think that the > > Primary ATA drive is a "C:" drive? If I take the SATA buss offline in > > the BIOS it boots fine. If I don't I have to hit F12 at bootup and go > > into a special boot menu where I can select "Primary IDE" and it boots > > fine. I'd like it to boot without intervention like that. > > > > Thanks, > > > > ck > > > I take it that Dell support didn't have any ideas on this one? This > sounds like a Dell-specific thing. > From schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us Wed Oct 27 12:28:54 2004 From: schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us (Jimmy Schwankl) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 08:28:54 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Adding and removing users without being in root Message-ID: John Conlon wrote: > I have a teacher who has three stand alone machines running K12LTSP 4.2 I'm also not a linux guru, John. And everyone seems to have jumped in that webmin is the answer. I don't know how helpful it would be on three standalone machines. Do you mean the teacher has one server and three clients?, or one server and two clients? or is it really three standalone installs of K12LTSP 4.2. If so, whatever solution you do end up going with, you'll have to repeat for each machine. Of other more knowledgeable folks on the list could comment on this question: If in fact John has three standalone machines, Will webmin work connecting to itself or will he have to have the teacher connect from one machine to another to use webmin. Peace, Jimmy Schwankl From CableMonkey42 at gmail.com Wed Oct 27 13:58:24 2004 From: CableMonkey42 at gmail.com (Daniel Hogan) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 08:58:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Using tar on win98 clients In-Reply-To: References: <1098820309.23970.13.camel@discovery.media.local> Message-ID: I like keeping the file attributes intact. Your example would require use of "mattrib -p" to fix the permissions; however, last time I tried that, I noticed that running the output of that command (without modification) would cause an error with any file with square brackets. On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 23:39:49 -0500 (CDT), Doug Simpson wrote: > I jusr use rsync from the hard drive in the Windows98 computer to a > directory on the server and then use the regular fdisk tools to create a > partition of desired size on the computer, format it using the windows > format tools and then rsync the windows back to it. > > No problems so far for me! > > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > DeQueen Public Schools > DeQueen, AR 71832 > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > Tux for President! > > > > On Tue, 26 Oct 2004, Daniel Hogan wrote: > > > This is what I normally do in Knoppix. I'm assuming that the harddrive is hda. > > > > On the harddrive you wish to copy from: > > > > 1. Using QTParted, shrink the size of the partition(s) so that it will > > fit on the smaller harddrive. I usually go for anything smaller than > > the size of the smallest harddrive. > > 2. dd if=/dev/hda of=myimage.mbr bs=512 count=1 > > 3. sfdisk -d /dev/hda > myimage.sfdisk > > 4. Use partimage to copy the partition(s) from the harddrive. > > > > On the harddrive wish to copy to (I'm assuming hda on a different computer): > > > > 1. dd if=myimage.mbr of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 > > 2. sfdisk /dev/hda < myimage.sfdisk > > 3. Use partimage to write the image to the harddrive. > > 4. Use QTParted to resize the partition to whatever size you wish. > > 5. Reboot. > > > > I usually mount a samba share and store the myimage.mbr, > > myimage.sfdisk, and the partition image files on it so that I can > > easily access it from the other computers. > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 15:51:49 -0400, Henry Burroughs > > wrote: > > > I know this is a bit off topic, but I'm doing the ever necessary task of > > > ghosting. I would be using partimage (and I was), except some of the hard > > > disks are different sizes (and partimage doesn't support shrinking). I'm > > > using a knoppix cd (3.4 i think). > > > > > > I'm trying tar (trying to keep it simple), and when I restore the image > > > onto a fresh drive, it still won't boot properly (I'm even using msdos fdisk > > > /mbr to reset the MBR). So the MBR is in place, it just doesn't want to > > > load from there. Any suggestions or hints? THanks. > > > > > > Basically, my requirements are a imaging program (or tar) that handles > > > restoring to smaller drives (of course, big enough for the actual data). > > > > > > I've spent waaaay too much time trying to get this monster to work. > > > > > > Henry > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > From joseph.bishay at utoronto.ca Wed Oct 27 16:11:34 2004 From: joseph.bishay at utoronto.ca (Joseph Bishay) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 12:11:34 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Help! Squidguard will not obey the ACLs in the conf file In-Reply-To: <20041027160042.7F9DA73BC2@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <417F9076.31252.B323B4E@localhost> Hello, I hope everyone is doing well. Thanks to some kind folks on #ltsp, I was able to get squidguard up and running on the k12ltsp (RH9) server. And it blocks the 3 default blacklist sets. However, I wanted to activate all the possible blacklists, so I commented out the line with the 3, and uncommented the one below it that has all the different groups listed as !xxxx and so on. But it will not accept those new rules. I was able to change the redirection page so that a webpage I created and point to a page I'm serving off the server, so I know the file is being read. But why is it not blocking the others? As an example, typing in www.sex.com results in it being blocked, but www.allmp3s.com does not. And neither for hotmail, etc. Any thoughts on what I may be overlooking? Thank you kindly, Joseph From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Wed Oct 27 15:20:48 2004 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: 27 Oct 2004 23:20:48 +0800 Subject: OT email was Re: [K12OSN] Thread Hi-jacking In-Reply-To: <69b790a804102508085d274709@mail.gmail.com> References: <20041025133458.EF6B87309E@hormel.redhat.com> <1098713227.25863.22.camel@isadore.stmarys-school.lan> <69b790a804102508085d274709@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1098890467.13712.38.camel@compaq.mydomain> On Mon, 2004-10-25 at 23:08, Roger Morris wrote: > On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 10:07:08 -0400, John Baillie > wrote: > > I subscribe to the digest version of this list. -snip- > you would have to add the correct header information and send your > reply... > > Roger > 6 gmail invites left. SORRY, couldn't resist hijacking this thread to ask what the flipping heck is this gmail invites that youse guys have mentioned here before?? I know my head is in the sand (or up my ...) but it's got me baffled why I would want to take up an invite to an email service (it's google's new version of hotmail, isn't it?). Please humour me. -- Regards, Gavin Chester From adammelancon at gmail.com Wed Oct 27 16:20:55 2004 From: adammelancon at gmail.com (Adam Melancon) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 11:20:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Help! Squidguard will not obey the ACLs in the conf file In-Reply-To: <417F9076.31252.B323B4E@localhost> References: <20041027160042.7F9DA73BC2@hormel.redhat.com> <417F9076.31252.B323B4E@localhost> Message-ID: <48928761041027092063f39059@mail.gmail.com> I'm not sure, but you can check out my squidguard page and see if anything helps you in there. http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us/sysadminsite/squidguard/ We would probably have to see a copy of your squidGuard.conf file to be able to help you troubleshoot the problem. I just use this script that I tweaked that rebuilds the filter lists and then restarts squidguard. This usually helps apply any changes I've made. [root at ltsp40 root]# cat rebuildallfilter.sh #!/bin/bash date /usr/sbin/squidGuard -c /etc/squid/squidGuard.conf -C all chown -R squid.squid /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ chown -R squid.squid /var/log/squidGuard/ sleep 5s /usr/bin/killall -HUP squid sleep 5s tail -n 80 /var/log/squidGuard/squidGuard.log date I also have a few other custom scripts to just rebuild the custom lists that I change often. On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 12:11:34 -0400, Joseph Bishay wrote: > Hello, > > I hope everyone is doing well. > > Thanks to some kind folks on #ltsp, I was able to get squidguard up > and running on the k12ltsp (RH9) server. And it blocks the 3 default > blacklist sets. > > However, I wanted to activate all the possible blacklists, so I > commented out the line with the 3, and uncommented the one below it > that has all the different groups listed as !xxxx and so on. But it > will not accept those new rules. > > I was able to change the redirection page so that a webpage I created > and point to a page I'm serving off the server, so I know the file is > being read. But why is it not blocking the others? As an example, > typing in www.sex.com results in it being blocked, but > www.allmp3s.com does not. And neither for hotmail, etc. > > Any thoughts on what I may be overlooking? > > Thank you kindly, > Joseph > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Adam Melancon Work: http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us Personal: http://www.melancon.org From adammelancon at gmail.com Wed Oct 27 16:23:56 2004 From: adammelancon at gmail.com (Adam Melancon) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 11:23:56 -0500 Subject: OT email was Re: [K12OSN] Thread Hi-jacking In-Reply-To: <1098890467.13712.38.camel@compaq.mydomain> References: <20041025133458.EF6B87309E@hormel.redhat.com> <1098713227.25863.22.camel@isadore.stmarys-school.lan> <69b790a804102508085d274709@mail.gmail.com> <1098890467.13712.38.camel@compaq.mydomain> Message-ID: <48928761041027092319b89865@mail.gmail.com> Gmail is still in beta so they are only allowing people to get an account by way of invites from someone who already has the service. With gmail you get 1gb of email storage for free and the user interface is really nice. I have switched from hotmail to gmail and haven't looked back. On 27 Oct 2004 23:20:48 +0800, Gavin Chester wrote: > On Mon, 2004-10-25 at 23:08, Roger Morris wrote: > > On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 10:07:08 -0400, John Baillie > > wrote: > > > I subscribe to the digest version of this list. > -snip- > > you would have to add the correct header information and send your > > reply... > > > > Roger > > 6 gmail invites left. > > SORRY, couldn't resist hijacking this thread to ask what the flipping > heck is this gmail invites that youse guys have mentioned here before?? > I know my head is in the sand (or up my ...) but it's got me baffled why > I would want to take up an invite to an email service (it's google's new > version of hotmail, isn't it?). Please humour me. > -- > Regards, > > Gavin Chester > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Adam Melancon Work: http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us Personal: http://www.melancon.org From chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us Wed Oct 27 16:30:14 2004 From: chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us (Chris Hobbs) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 09:30:14 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] rdesktop question In-Reply-To: <417E8124.2090109@inlandlakes.org> References: <417E8124.2090109@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <417FCD16.3060101@silvervalley.k12.ca.us> Shawn Powers wrote: > Should I just wrap rdesktop into a script that calls with with the -4 > flag? That's how I'd do it - rename rdesktop to rdesktop.orig and create a script in the original location called rdesktop: ----8< SCRIPT >8---- #!/bin/bash /path/to/rdesktop.orig -4 $@ ----8< SCRIPT >8---- The $@ should pull all other command line arguments into the call to rdesktop.orig. This does mean if someone calls it with a -5 I'd expect it to take precedent. I suppose you could move the -4 after the $@ to avoid that problem. You might have to experiment :) Hope this helps! -- Chris Hobbs Silver Valley Unified School District Head geek: Technology Services Coordinator webmaster: http://www.silvervalley.k12.ca.us/~chobbs/ postmaster: chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us pgp: http://www.silvervalley.k12.ca.us/~chobbs/key.asc From roger.in.eugene at gmail.com Wed Oct 27 16:30:33 2004 From: roger.in.eugene at gmail.com (Roger Morris) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 09:30:33 -0700 Subject: OT email was Re: [K12OSN] Thread Hi-jacking In-Reply-To: <1098890467.13712.38.camel@compaq.mydomain> References: <20041025133458.EF6B87309E@hormel.redhat.com> <1098713227.25863.22.camel@isadore.stmarys-school.lan> <69b790a804102508085d274709@mail.gmail.com> <1098890467.13712.38.camel@compaq.mydomain> Message-ID: <69b790a804102709302f69c325@mail.gmail.com> On 27 Oct 2004 23:20:48 +0800, Gavin Chester > SORRY, couldn't resist hijacking this thread to ask what the flipping > heck is this gmail invites that youse guys have mentioned here before?? > I know my head is in the sand (or up my ...) but it's got me baffled why > I would want to take up an invite to an email service (it's google's new > version of hotmail, isn't it?). Please humour me. It is web based. Notably, you get 1 gig of space.. they only offer it via invites. Every couple of weeks they give you some invites to use. Some addtional info is at gmail.google.com. The only annoyance (that I can think of right now), is they display links on the right, kind of like how they display links on their search page. I don't even notice them at all, so it's not that big of a deal to me.. Roger still have 6 invites From tkaldahl at maplewoodacademy.org Wed Oct 27 16:41:58 2004 From: tkaldahl at maplewoodacademy.org (Tim Kaldahl) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 11:41:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Help! Squidguard will not obey the ACLs in the conf file In-Reply-To: <417F9076.31252.B323B4E@localhost> Message-ID: <001b01c4bc43$e13e6550$8e01a8c0@maplewood.mwa> -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Joseph Bishay Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 11:12 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Help! Squidguard will not obey the ACLs in the conf file Hello, I hope everyone is doing well. Thanks to some kind folks on #ltsp, I was able to get squidguard up and running on the k12ltsp (RH9) server. And it blocks the 3 default blacklist sets. However, I wanted to activate all the possible blacklists, so I commented out the line with the 3, and uncommented the one below it that has all the different groups listed as !xxxx and so on. But it will not accept those new rules. I was able to change the redirection page so that a webpage I created and point to a page I'm serving off the server, so I know the file is being read. But why is it not blocking the others? As an example, typing in www.sex.com results in it being blocked, but www.allmp3s.com does not. And neither for hotmail, etc. Any thoughts on what I may be overlooking? Thank you kindly, Joseph _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see You will automatically know that my background is MS when I ask if you rebooted the server ;>. From the been there done that category, each time I edit the blacklists i have to restart or they don't work. (Actually I think Gavin's Addonz have fixed that for me now.) Also, after Hotmail was blocked by manually editing the acl list, students googled and were able to access hotmail using the Japanese link. I had to block passport.msn.com if I remember correctly. Even now if someone is using MSN Messenger (only faculty are allowed to do so) they can still access hotmail. hth Tim From adammelancon at gmail.com Wed Oct 27 16:54:00 2004 From: adammelancon at gmail.com (Adam Melancon) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 11:54:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Help! Squidguard will not obey the ACLs in the conf file In-Reply-To: <001b01c4bc43$e13e6550$8e01a8c0@maplewood.mwa> References: <417F9076.31252.B323B4E@localhost> <001b01c4bc43$e13e6550$8e01a8c0@maplewood.mwa> Message-ID: <48928761041027095433e8fc22@mail.gmail.com> Tim, if you are using the squidguard built into the k12ltsp distro, there should be a script /usr/sbin/update_squidguard_blacklists available for you to rebuild the lists automatically. The side effect of this script is that it does the rsync and updates all of the blacklists and rebuilds ALL of the lists which can take some time to do. What I did was tweak this update_squidguard_blacklists file to just rebuild ONLY the local-ok and local-deny files and not download the updates. It saves time if you are just editing the local files and only want to rebuild the database files for just those local ok/block lists instead of all of the lists, and don't need to do the download updates right now. I saved it as rebuildlocal-ok-deny.sh [root at ltsp40 root]# cat rebuildlocal-ok-deny.sh #!/bin/bash date /usr/sbin/squidGuard -c /etc/squid/squidGuard.conf -C local-ok/urls /usr/sbin/squidGuard -c /etc/squid/squidGuard.conf -C local-ok/domains /usr/sbin/squidGuard -c /etc/squid/squidGuard.conf -C local-block/urls /usr/sbin/squidGuard -c /etc/squid/squidGuard.conf -C local-block/domains chown -R squid.squid /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ chown -R squid.squid /var/log/squidGuard/ sleep 5s /usr/bin/killall -HUP squid sleep 5s tail -n 80 /var/log/squidGuard/squidGuard.log date [root at ltsp40 root]# On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 11:41:58 -0500, Tim Kaldahl wrote: > -----Original Message----- > > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On > Behalf Of Joseph Bishay > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 11:12 AM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] Help! Squidguard will not obey the ACLs in the conf > file > > Hello, > > I hope everyone is doing well. > > Thanks to some kind folks on #ltsp, I was able to get squidguard up > and running on the k12ltsp (RH9) server. And it blocks the 3 default > blacklist sets. > > However, I wanted to activate all the possible blacklists, so I > commented out the line with the 3, and uncommented the one below it > that has all the different groups listed as !xxxx and so on. But it > will not accept those new rules. > > I was able to change the redirection page so that a webpage I created > and point to a page I'm serving off the server, so I know the file is > being read. But why is it not blocking the others? As an example, > typing in www.sex.com results in it being blocked, but > www.allmp3s.com does not. And neither for hotmail, etc. > > Any thoughts on what I may be overlooking? > > Thank you kindly, > Joseph > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > You will automatically know that my background is MS when I ask if you > rebooted the server ;>. From the been there done that category, each time I > edit the blacklists i have to restart or they don't work. (Actually I think > Gavin's Addonz have fixed that for me now.) Also, after Hotmail was blocked > by manually editing the acl list, students googled and were able to access > hotmail using the Japanese link. I had to block passport.msn.com if I > remember correctly. Even now if someone is using MSN Messenger (only faculty > are allowed to do so) they can still access hotmail. > > hth > Tim > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Adam Melancon Work: http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us Personal: http://www.melancon.org From ksj2010 at myrealbox.com Wed Oct 27 17:07:16 2004 From: ksj2010 at myrealbox.com (KJ) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 13:07:16 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Squid & Content filtering In-Reply-To: <1098597887.1571.7.camel@ltsp1a003.ltsp1a> References: <417825DD.8070606@myrealbox.com> <4892876104102114204037820b@mail.gmail.com> <1098597887.1571.7.camel@ltsp1a003.ltsp1a> Message-ID: <417FD5C4.6070401@myrealbox.com> Thank you Bimal (and all), I'm pretty sure that I have squid and squidguard running now, although I can still access the fun... er sorry, naughty sites. It appears that my iptables service isn't running. It shows, as the error, that it flushes properly and starts, but that is in an error that says it doesn't start. Has anyone seen anything like this before? best, KJ bimal pandit wrote: > have this from me ;) > > iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT > --to-port 3128 > > hope this will help you. > > bimal > > > On Fri, 2004-10-22 at 02:50, Adam Melancon wrote: > >>Looking at how your network is setup, it looks like you will need to >>have iptables do a redirect, to redirect all of the port 80 traffic >>that is comming in on the internal port to port 3180 where it will >>then become filtered. >>Look up iptables transparent proxy in google. >> >> >>On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:10:53 -0400, KJ wrote: >> >>>Adam (et al), >>>Thank you for your suggestions, the how-to below was particularly >>>helpful. I am curious about one note that is referenced. >>> >>>"If you were running a transparent redirect in your Cisco router" - I am >>>not running any redirects anywhere, it goes pretty much like this. >>> >>>Internet -> >>>Cable Modem -> >>>Router/Firewall-> >>>"External" NIC-> LTSP Box >>>Internal NIC -> LTSP Box >>>LTSP connections web browsing. >>> >>>Is there something that I need to do to get all traffic routed through >>>the squid & squidguardian? >>> >>>Am I making any sense? >>>Thank you all again! >>>KJ >>> >>> >>>I don't know if this helps, but I wrote this squidguard how-to when >>>replacing our iprism web filter here at the library. >>>http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us/sysadminsite/squidguard/ >>>Enjoy! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> KJ wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>Hello, I have installed (Finally!) K12 LTSP and it is working >>>>>great! I had a bad CD player, took me weeks to figure that out >>>>>(I'm not worthy to be a geek anymore!) :-) >>>>> >>>>>Now my question is Squid and Content filtering. I have been unable >>>>>to get Squid to work, I'm not really sure where to look or what to >>>>>do to get started, can anyone point me in the right direction? >>>>>(ie. websites with HOWTO's or something) I'd really appreciate it. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Also if you can tell me what you use for content filtering and what >>>>>seems to be the best, I'd really appreciate it! >>> >>> From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Oct 27 17:33:00 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 13:33:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] rdesktop question In-Reply-To: <417E8124.2090109@inlandlakes.org> References: <417E8124.2090109@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: It shouldn't be that difficult....how do you have your licensing set up on the Windows server....by seat or by connection? I simply have a command as part of a file rdesktop -f -d midnight -a 16 10.0.6.254 I have the command above in a file called "termserv" and then I made "termserv" executable ( chmod a+x termserv ) I then used "termserv" as the program for a menu item in IceWM....works great To explain the command.... -f makes it full screen.....-d sets the domain (in our case "midnight")....-a sets the color depth (here it's 16 bit)....and of course the IP of the terminal server. My users click on the menu item in IceWM called "Connect to Windows Terminal Server" and they are then presented with a full screen login window with both their name and domain already filled in...all they have to do is enter their password. Works fantastic! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Oct 27 17:33:00 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 13:33:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] rdesktop question In-Reply-To: <417E8124.2090109@inlandlakes.org> References: <417E8124.2090109@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: It shouldn't be that difficult....how do you have your licensing set up on the Windows server....by seat or by connection? I simply have a command as part of a file rdesktop -f -d midnight -a 16 10.0.6.254 I have the command above in a file called "termserv" and then I made "termserv" executable ( chmod a+x termserv ) I then used "termserv" as the program for a menu item in IceWM....works great To explain the command.... -f makes it full screen.....-d sets the domain (in our case "midnight")....-a sets the color depth (here it's 16 bit)....and of course the IP of the terminal server. My users click on the menu item in IceWM called "Connect to Windows Terminal Server" and they are then presented with a full screen login window with both their name and domain already filled in...all they have to do is enter their password. Works fantastic! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Oct 27 17:31:57 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 13:31:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] rdesktop question In-Reply-To: References: <417E8124.2090109@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <417FDB8D.10708@inlandlakes.org> David Trask wrote: > It shouldn't be that difficult....how do you have your licensing set up on > the Windows server....by seat or by connection? I'm guessing you are using Windows 2000 Terminal Server? The licensing in 2003 TS is insanely different. There is "per device" or "per user" -- but the "per user" model doesn't work at all. Nada. Even with windows clients. Right now, my license is good until January 4th. If I don't hear of a bad reason to switch to using the RDP v4 method, I'll probably just do that. With "per device" licensing, and RDP v4, I get issued permanent licenses, not temporaries -- so I guess it's a workable workaround. BTW, Chris -- in your script, the argument $@, does that pass ALL the flags to the actual program? I have written wrapper scripts in the past, and had to do something like "program $1 $2 $3 $4 $5 $6" to make sure I got all the options passed... if indeed $@ passes all the arguments, that's easier! Thanks, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From tkaldahl at maplewoodacademy.org Wed Oct 27 17:38:11 2004 From: tkaldahl at maplewoodacademy.org (Tim Kaldahl) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 12:38:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Help! Squidguard will not obey the ACLs in the conf file In-Reply-To: <48928761041027095433e8fc22@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001c01c4bc4b$bbac3210$8e01a8c0@maplewood.mwa> I am using IPCop with Dan's Guardian now. This looks good for the elementary school I am trying to convince to use K12LTSP though -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Adam Melancon Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 11:54 AM To: tkaldahl at maplewoodacademy.org; Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Help! Squidguard will not obey the ACLs in the conf file Tim, if you are using the squidguard built into the k12ltsp distro, there should be a script /usr/sbin/update_squidguard_blacklists available for you to rebuild the lists automatically. The side effect of this script is that it does the rsync and updates all of the blacklists and rebuilds ALL of the lists which can take some time to do. What I did was tweak this update_squidguard_blacklists file to just rebuild ONLY the local-ok and local-deny files and not download the updates. It saves time if you are just editing the local files and only want to rebuild the database files for just those local ok/block lists instead of all of the lists, and don't need to do the download updates right now. I saved it as rebuildlocal-ok-deny.sh [root at ltsp40 root]# cat rebuildlocal-ok-deny.sh #!/bin/bash date /usr/sbin/squidGuard -c /etc/squid/squidGuard.conf -C local-ok/urls /usr/sbin/squidGuard -c /etc/squid/squidGuard.conf -C local-ok/domains /usr/sbin/squidGuard -c /etc/squid/squidGuard.conf -C local-block/urls /usr/sbin/squidGuard -c /etc/squid/squidGuard.conf -C local-block/domains chown -R squid.squid /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ chown -R squid.squid /var/log/squidGuard/ sleep 5s /usr/bin/killall -HUP squid sleep 5s tail -n 80 /var/log/squidGuard/squidGuard.log date [root at ltsp40 root]# On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 11:41:58 -0500, Tim Kaldahl wrote: > -----Original Message----- > > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On > Behalf Of Joseph Bishay > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 11:12 AM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] Help! Squidguard will not obey the ACLs in the conf > file > > Hello, > > I hope everyone is doing well. > > Thanks to some kind folks on #ltsp, I was able to get squidguard up > and running on the k12ltsp (RH9) server. And it blocks the 3 default > blacklist sets. > > However, I wanted to activate all the possible blacklists, so I > commented out the line with the 3, and uncommented the one below it > that has all the different groups listed as !xxxx and so on. But it > will not accept those new rules. > > I was able to change the redirection page so that a webpage I created > and point to a page I'm serving off the server, so I know the file is > being read. But why is it not blocking the others? As an example, > typing in www.sex.com results in it being blocked, but > www.allmp3s.com does not. And neither for hotmail, etc. > > Any thoughts on what I may be overlooking? > > Thank you kindly, > Joseph > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > You will automatically know that my background is MS when I ask if you > rebooted the server ;>. From the been there done that category, each time I > edit the blacklists i have to restart or they don't work. (Actually I think > Gavin's Addonz have fixed that for me now.) Also, after Hotmail was blocked > by manually editing the acl list, students googled and were able to access > hotmail using the Japanese link. I had to block passport.msn.com if I > remember correctly. Even now if someone is using MSN Messenger (only faculty > are allowed to do so) they can still access hotmail. > > hth > Tim > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Adam Melancon Work: http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us Personal: http://www.melancon.org _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From lewis at pcc.com Wed Oct 27 18:10:55 2004 From: lewis at pcc.com (Lewis Holcroft) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 14:10:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] How to change desktop? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8BD2D5CC-2843-11D9-8087-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> Brab, I wanted to accomplish the same thing. I was able to set up /etc/skel/Desktop with all of the options I wanted. I also removed what was already there. I then made a copy of /opt/ltsp/template/k12ltsp/reset-default-desktop and placed it in /opt/mystuff/. I then edited the script to also remove the Desktop dir. I ran into a problem where the "Start Here" option gets created for all users. I just have an extra line in the above script that removes the file if present. I would love to know the correct way to stop the start here link from being created. Lewis On Oct 25, 2004, at 4:41 PM, Brad Bendily wrote: > How should I go about changing the default desktop > configuration/layout? > > I want to be able to setup my own custom desktop and then > afterwards I don't want any users making any changes. > > How can I best accomplish this? > > thanks > brad b > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jsmith at breakthroughministries.com Wed Oct 27 18:25:23 2004 From: jsmith at breakthroughministries.com (John A. Smith) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 13:25:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Anyone using Compaq Deskpro 5133 Message-ID: <20040927132523.jsmith@breakthroughministries.com.12> I am setting up a lab and would like to use a couple of Compaq Deskpro 5133 machines I have laying around. However, I can't seem to get a nic to work in the thing. Anyone out there using this box? If so: Did you use the onboard nic? What driver worked with it and was it only capable of 10 mbps? I think it's a tlan:netflex3, but haven't gotten it to work yet. If you didn't use the onboard, were you able to get it to recognize any other nic? I've tried several different nics with several different drivers and haven't gotten any to work. Any help always appreciated! -john smith -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- John A. Smith Director of Administration Breakthrough Urban Ministries 5243 N. Ashland Ave. Chicago, IL 60640-2001 PH: 773.989.4382, x230 FAX: 773.989.7329 http://www.breakthroughministries.com From joseph.bishay at utoronto.ca Wed Oct 27 18:29:11 2004 From: joseph.bishay at utoronto.ca (joseph.bishay at utoronto.ca) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 14:29:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Help! Squidguard will not obey the ACLs in the conf file In-Reply-To: <20041027165423.CC39A7368F@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: hello, > We would probably have to see a copy of your squidGuard.conf file to > be able to help you troubleshoot the problem. I've included it below. My apologies for pasting in something long. # CONFIG FILE FOR SQUIDGUARD # See http://www.squidguard.org/config/ for more examples dbhome /var/squidGuard/blacklists logdir /var/log/squidGuard dest ads { log ads domainlist ads/domains urllist ads/urls } dest audio-video { log audio-video domainlist audio-video/domains urllist audio-video/urls } dest aggressive { log aggressive domainlist aggressive/domains urllist aggressive/urls } dest drugs { log drugs domainlist drugs/domains urllist drugs/urls } dest gambling{ log gambling domainlist gambling/domains urllist gambling/urls } dest hacking { log hacking domainlist hacking/domains urllist hacking/urls } dest mail { log mail domainlist mail/domains urllist mail/urls } dest porn{ log porn domainlist porn/domains urllist porn/urls } dest proxy{ log proxy domainlist proxy/domains urllist proxy/urls } dest violence{ log violence domainlist violence/domains urllist violence/urls } dest warez{ log warez domainlist warez/domains urllist warez/urls } dest local-ok{ domainlist local-ok/domains urllist local-ok/urls } dest local-block{ log local-block domainlist local-block/domains urllist local-block/urls } acl { default { # the default categories are conservative, please add any additional # categories listed above or simply comment out this line and uncomment # out the line below it. # pass local-ok !local-block !gambling !porn !warez all pass local-ok !local-block !aggressive !drugs !gambling !hacking !porn !proxy !violence !warez all redirect 302:http://k12server/forbidden_content.html # redirect 302:http://k12server/cgi-bin/squidGuard.cgi?clientaddr=%a&clientname=%n&clientident=%i&srcclass=%s&targetgroup=%t&url=%u # redirect 302:http://k12server/cgi-bin/squidGuard-simple.cgi?clientaddr=%a&clientname=%n&clientident=%i&srcclass=%s&targetclass=%t&url=%u } } ***End paste*** > I just use this script that I tweaked that rebuilds the filter lists > and then restarts squidguard. > This usually helps apply any changes I've made. I was able to rebuild the filter list from the online blacklists no problem. I tried restarting squid by using /etc/init.d/squidguard restart, which was successful, but no changes seemed to have work as I can still access www.allmp3s.com and www.hotmail.com ------------------------ > You will automatically know that my background is MS when I ask if you > rebooted the server ;>. Since my background is the same, it was the first thing I tried :) > Gavin's Addonz have fixed that for me now.) Also, after Hotmail was blocked > by manually editing the acl list, students googled and were able to access > hotmail using the Japanese link. I had to block passport.msn.com if I > remember correctly. Even now if someone is using MSN Messenger (only faculty > are allowed to do so) they can still access hotmail. > hth > Tim I have a problem with the students now all logging onto emessenger.net to chat all over the place, so I will next have to add that to the blacklists. thanks, Joseph From adammelancon at gmail.com Wed Oct 27 18:35:52 2004 From: adammelancon at gmail.com (Adam Melancon) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 13:35:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Help! Squidguard will not obey the ACLs in the conf file In-Reply-To: References: <20041027165423.CC39A7368F@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4892876104102711351e507b5a@mail.gmail.com> You can check to see if it's even working by pointing a browser to use your squidguard box as a proxy and set the port to 3128. Also, you might want to do tail /var/log/squidGuard/squidGuard.log and make sure that you see this 2004-10-27 05:03:56 [5659] squidGuard 1.2.0 started (1098871435.867) 2004-10-27 05:03:56 [5659] squidGuard ready for requests (1098871436.095) If it's not started and ready for requests it will not block sites. On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 14:29:11 -0400 (EDT), joseph.bishay at utoronto.ca wrote: > hello, > > > We would probably have to see a copy of your squidGuard.conf file to > > be able to help you troubleshoot the problem. > > I've included it below. My apologies for pasting in something long. > > # CONFIG FILE FOR SQUIDGUARD > # See http://www.squidguard.org/config/ for more examples > > dbhome /var/squidGuard/blacklists > logdir /var/log/squidGuard > > dest ads { > log ads > domainlist ads/domains > urllist ads/urls > } > > dest audio-video { > log audio-video > domainlist audio-video/domains > urllist audio-video/urls > } > > dest aggressive { > log aggressive > domainlist aggressive/domains > urllist aggressive/urls > } > > dest drugs { > log drugs > domainlist drugs/domains > urllist drugs/urls > } > > dest gambling{ > log gambling > domainlist gambling/domains > urllist gambling/urls > } > > dest hacking { > log hacking > domainlist hacking/domains > urllist hacking/urls > } > > dest mail { > log mail > domainlist mail/domains > urllist mail/urls > } > > dest porn{ > log porn > domainlist porn/domains > urllist porn/urls > } > > dest proxy{ > log proxy > domainlist proxy/domains > urllist proxy/urls > } > > dest violence{ > log violence > domainlist violence/domains > urllist violence/urls > } > > dest warez{ > log warez > domainlist warez/domains > urllist warez/urls > } > > dest local-ok{ > domainlist local-ok/domains > urllist local-ok/urls > } > > dest local-block{ > log local-block > domainlist local-block/domains > urllist local-block/urls > } > > acl { > default { > # the default categories are conservative, please add any > additional > # categories listed above or simply comment out this line and > uncomment > # out the line below it. > # pass local-ok !local-block !gambling !porn !warez all > pass local-ok !local-block !aggressive !drugs !gambling !hacking > !porn !proxy !violence !warez all > > redirect 302:http://k12server/forbidden_content.html > # redirect > 302:http://k12server/cgi-bin/squidGuard.cgi?clientaddr=%a&clientname=%n&clientident=%i&srcclass=%s&targetgroup=%t&url=%u > # redirect > 302:http://k12server/cgi-bin/squidGuard-simple.cgi?clientaddr=%a&clientname=%n&clientident=%i&srcclass=%s&targetclass=%t&url=%u > } > } > > ***End paste*** > > > I just use this script that I tweaked that rebuilds the filter lists > > and then restarts squidguard. > > This usually helps apply any changes I've made. > > I was able to rebuild the filter list from the online blacklists no > problem. I tried restarting squid by using /etc/init.d/squidguard > restart, which was successful, but no changes seemed to have work as I can > still access www.allmp3s.com and www.hotmail.com > > ------------------------ > > > You will automatically know that my background is MS when I ask if you > > rebooted the server ;>. > > Since my background is the same, it was the first thing I tried :) > > > Gavin's Addonz have fixed that for me now.) Also, after Hotmail was blocked > > by manually editing the acl list, students googled and were able to access > > hotmail using the Japanese link. I had to block passport.msn.com if I > > remember correctly. Even now if someone is using MSN Messenger (only faculty > > are allowed to do so) they can still access hotmail. > > hth > > Tim > > I have a problem with the students now all logging onto emessenger.net to > chat all over the place, so I will next have to add that to the > blacklists. > > thanks, > > > Joseph > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Adam Melancon Work: http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us Personal: http://www.melancon.org From gumprechtm at msln.net Wed Oct 27 18:35:43 2004 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 14:35:43 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Anyone using Compaq Deskpro 5133 In-Reply-To: <20040927132523.jsmith@breakthroughministries.com.12> References: <20040927132523.jsmith@breakthroughministries.com.12> Message-ID: <417FEA7F.9030307@msln.net> I've tried to setup my deskpro 4000 series without luck as far as the pxe boot. the .9 pxe boot version does not work. I tried different netflex drivers until I found one to work. At romomatic's website there is more than one tlan:netflex driver. Try different ones, I think the third was a charm for me. Hope that helps. Mark John A. Smith wrote: >I am setting up a lab and would like to use a couple of Compaq Deskpro 5133 machines I have laying around. However, I can't seem to get a nic to work in the thing. > >Anyone out there using this box? If so: > >Did you use the onboard nic? What driver worked with it and was it only capable of 10 mbps? >I think it's a tlan:netflex3, but haven't gotten it to work yet. > >If you didn't use the onboard, were you able to get it to recognize any other nic? >I've tried several different nics with several different drivers and haven't gotten any to work. > >Any help always appreciated! > >-john smith > > >-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- >John A. Smith >Director of Administration >Breakthrough Urban Ministries >5243 N. Ashland Ave. >Chicago, IL 60640-2001 >PH: 773.989.4382, x230 >FAX: 773.989.7329 >http://www.breakthroughministries.com > > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, Maine gumprechtm at msln.net From lsrpm at mts.net Wed Oct 27 18:49:14 2004 From: lsrpm at mts.net (Liam Marshall) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 13:49:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Push Item to Desktop Problem Message-ID: <417FEDAA.3090601@mts.net> I believe the problem I am having Pushing Items to Desktops is related to the fact that the majority of my users home directories are NOT directly off of the Home directory. Instead they are off of branches in the home directory ie: /home/com30s/user1, /home/com30s/user2, etc ie: /home/saps/user1, /home/saps/user2, etc I tried pushing icons to them and they only appear if their home directory is off of Home directly. How could I push them to these other branches, if possible. That would be much appreaciated. Typing in long urls in 30 copies of the browser is not so hard for junior or senior high students but takes a prohibitavely long time for elementary grades. An icon pointing to the site would be best, and pushing said icon to every desktop would be the best way of doing that Please Please help From jim at rossberry.com Wed Oct 27 18:57:20 2004 From: jim at rossberry.com (Jim Wildman) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 14:57:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Anyone using Compaq Deskpro 5133 In-Reply-To: <20040927132523.jsmith@breakthroughministries.com.12> References: <20040927132523.jsmith@breakthroughministries.com.12> Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Oct 2004, John A. Smith wrote: > Did you use the onboard nic? What driver worked with it and was it only capable of 10 mbps? > I think it's a tlan:netflex3, but haven't gotten it to work yet. > I (and others I know) have had lots of headaches with tlan cards. My advice would be to grab some used Intel cards at your local retailer and disable the onboard nic. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jim Wildman, CISSP, RHCE jim at rossberry.com http://www.rossberry.com "Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one." Thomas Paine From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Oct 27 19:08:30 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 15:08:30 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] rdesktop question In-Reply-To: <417FDB8D.10708@inlandlakes.org> References: <417E8124.2090109@inlandlakes.org> < > <417FDB8D.10708@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 at 1:31 PM +0000 wrote: >I'm guessing you are using Windows 2000 Terminal Server? The licensing >in 2003 TS is insanely different. There is "per device" or "per user" >-- but the "per user" model doesn't work at all. Nada. Even with >windows clients. > >Right now, my license is good until January 4th. If I don't hear of a >bad reason to switch to using the RDP v4 method, I'll probably just do >that. With "per device" licensing, and RDP v4, I get issued permanent >licenses, not temporaries -- so I guess it's a workable workaround. I'm using Win 2003 TS as well....and you're right the licensing is different, but nonetheless....using the command I posted earlier....I've never had an issue. I'm assuming I'm running RDP v.4, but not sure as there's nothing in my command that specifies....I just do it. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From bear2bar at netscape.net Wed Oct 27 19:03:20 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 15:03:20 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Anyone using Compaq Deskpro 5133 In-Reply-To: <20040927132523.jsmith@breakthroughministries.com.12> References: <20040927132523.jsmith@breakthroughministries.com.12> Message-ID: <417FF0F8.7070908@netscape.net> jsmith at breakthroughministries.com wrote: >I am setting up a lab and would like to use a couple of Compaq Deskpro 5133 machines I have laying around. However, I can't seem to get a nic to work in the thing. > >Anyone out there using this box? If so: > >Did you use the onboard nic? What driver worked with it and was it only capable of 10 mbps? >I think it's a tlan:netflex3, but haven't gotten it to work yet. > >If you didn't use the onboard, were you able to get it to recognize any other nic? >I've tried several different nics with several different drivers and haven't gotten any to work. > >Any help always appreciated! > >-john smith > > >-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- >John A. Smith >Director of Administration >Breakthrough Urban Ministries >5243 N. Ashland Ave. >Chicago, IL 60640-2001 >PH: 773.989.4382, x230 >FAX: 773.989.7329 >http://www.breakthroughministries.com > > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see Hi John, We have a mish-mash of Compaq 5175 to 5166 and have simply disabled the on-board nic (from the compaq site you can download the bios diskettes and change the standard settings) and used 3-Com 905 cards with either the rom-o-matic boot floppy or the "universal" pxe boot cd. Both solutions work great. norbert From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Oct 27 19:17:13 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 15:17:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Push Item to Desktop Problem In-Reply-To: <417FEDAA.3090601@mts.net> References: <417FEDAA.3090601@mts.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 at 2:49 PM +0000 wrote: >I believe the problem I am having Pushing Items to Desktops is related >to the fact that the majority of my users home directories are NOT >directly off of the Home directory. Instead they are off of branches in >the home directory > >ie: /home/com30s/user1, /home/com30s/user2, etc >ie: /home/saps/user1, /home/saps/user2, etc > >I tried pushing icons to them and they only appear if their home >directory is off of Home directly. How could I push them to these other >branches, if possible. That would be much appreaciated. Typing in long >urls in 30 copies of the browser is not so hard for junior or senior >high students but takes a prohibitavely long time for elementary >grades. An icon pointing to the site would be best, and pushing said >icon to every desktop would be the best way of doing that > >Please Please help Simple.....you'll need to edit the file /usr/sbin/push-icons-to-users-desktops You'll actually see a comment that pertains to your exact predicament near the top....anyway...best practice would be to make copies of that file for each different "branch" that way you preserve the original. Change the name....make the new file executable (chmod a+x nameoffile ) and then make a launcher for it on the desktop? (not 100% sure on that last part) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Oct 27 19:17:13 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 15:17:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Push Item to Desktop Problem In-Reply-To: <417FEDAA.3090601@mts.net> References: <417FEDAA.3090601@mts.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 at 2:49 PM +0000 wrote: >I believe the problem I am having Pushing Items to Desktops is related >to the fact that the majority of my users home directories are NOT >directly off of the Home directory. Instead they are off of branches in >the home directory > >ie: /home/com30s/user1, /home/com30s/user2, etc >ie: /home/saps/user1, /home/saps/user2, etc > >I tried pushing icons to them and they only appear if their home >directory is off of Home directly. How could I push them to these other >branches, if possible. That would be much appreaciated. Typing in long >urls in 30 copies of the browser is not so hard for junior or senior >high students but takes a prohibitavely long time for elementary >grades. An icon pointing to the site would be best, and pushing said >icon to every desktop would be the best way of doing that > >Please Please help Simple.....you'll need to edit the file /usr/sbin/push-icons-to-users-desktops You'll actually see a comment that pertains to your exact predicament near the top....anyway...best practice would be to make copies of that file for each different "branch" that way you preserve the original. Change the name....make the new file executable (chmod a+x nameoffile ) and then make a launcher for it on the desktop? (not 100% sure on that last part) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From adammelancon at gmail.com Wed Oct 27 19:09:19 2004 From: adammelancon at gmail.com (Adam Melancon) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 14:09:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Push Item to Desktop Problem In-Reply-To: <417FEDAA.3090601@mts.net> References: <417FEDAA.3090601@mts.net> Message-ID: <489287610410271209209bb5df@mail.gmail.com> Don't quote me on it, but I'm guessing you can edit the /usr/sbin/push-icons-to-users-desktops script to include your directories in the /home folder Here is the top of the file ===================== #!/bin/sh # # A quick-n-dirty little script that will copy an icon to all user's # GNOME/KDE desktops # # if you have $HOME somewhere besides /home, or more than one home, # edit this line: HOMEDIRS="/home" ===================== Just edit the HOMEDIRS variable to something like "/home/*/" Again, i'm just guessing, use with caution. ; ) On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 13:49:14 -0500, Liam Marshall wrote: > I believe the problem I am having Pushing Items to Desktops is related > to the fact that the majority of my users home directories are NOT > directly off of the Home directory. Instead they are off of branches in > the home directory > > ie: /home/com30s/user1, /home/com30s/user2, etc > ie: /home/saps/user1, /home/saps/user2, etc > > I tried pushing icons to them and they only appear if their home > directory is off of Home directly. How could I push them to these other > branches, if possible. That would be much appreaciated. Typing in long > urls in 30 copies of the browser is not so hard for junior or senior > high students but takes a prohibitavely long time for elementary > grades. An icon pointing to the site would be best, and pushing said > icon to every desktop would be the best way of doing that > > Please Please help > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Adam Melancon Work: http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us Personal: http://www.melancon.org From bear2bar at netscape.net Wed Oct 27 19:15:23 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 15:15:23 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Off-topic Ultrasparc in K12LTSP Message-ID: <417FF3CB.9080704@netscape.net> Hi, I've had something strange occur while trying to use an Ultrasparc 1 with Solaris 9 as a workstation. I was having some networking problems with the cable-modem, so I shut down my ltsp server but as I did the thin-clients logged into the Sparc. I don't quite understand why since I'm not running NFS shares nor DHCP on the Ultrasparc. Anyone with more Solaris knowledge that can enlighten me will be greatly apppreciate. Strange thing is that this is a 167Mhz UltraSparc processor with 256 MB of memory and it had 20 Workstations logged in. Whereas my main server is a P-IV 2.8 Ghz with 2 GB memory for the same number of clients and the Sparc seems to be faster !!! thks norbert From jebarr at stclair.k12.il.us Wed Oct 27 19:16:23 2004 From: jebarr at stclair.k12.il.us (John Barr) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 14:16:23 -0500 (Central Standard Time) Subject: [K12OSN] SUBSCRIBE Message-ID: <417FF407.000005.03396@TECH-065397> Thanks, John Barr jebarr at stclair.k12.il.us Technology Systems Support Lead Person Cahokia Unit School District 187 618-332-2191 (office) or 618-806-8920 (cell) THIS TRANSMISSION IS INTENDED AND RESTRICTED FOR USE BY THE ABOVE ADDRESSEE ONLY. IT MAY CONTAIN CONFIDENTIAL AND/OR PRIVILEGED INFORMATION EXEMPT FROM DISCLOSURE UNDER FEDERAL OR STATE LAW. 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Squidguard will not obey the ACLs in the conf file In-Reply-To: <20041027190827.6543D735D4@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: G'day, > From: Adam Melancon > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Re: Help! Squidguard will not obey the ACLs in > the conf file > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Message-ID: <4892876104102711351e507b5a at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > You can check to see if it's even working by pointing a browser to use > your squidguard box as a proxy and set the port to 3128. I don't have a seperate box acting as a proxy - the ltsp server also has squid & squidguard on it. > Also, you might want to do > tail /var/log/squidGuard/squidGuard.log > and make sure that you see this > 2004-10-27 05:03:56 [5659] squidGuard 1.2.0 started (1098871435.867) > 2004-10-27 05:03:56 [5659] squidGuard ready for requests (1098871436.095) > If it's not started and ready for requests it will not block sites. Did that, and found that it is started and ready for requests. It is accepting some requests and allowing others throught I thought that would be a function of the blacklist ACL, rather than if squidguard is running or not, correct? Or am I not understanding? Thank you. Joseph From fulton at manorisd.net Wed Oct 27 19:28:03 2004 From: fulton at manorisd.net (Wayne Fulton) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 14:28:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Recommended Server for 25 terminals on K12LTSP 4 Message-ID: We are looking into setting up a K12LTSP lab with 25 workstations. What type of server minimal specs (memory, hard drive, scsi or ide, processor) do you recommend? Thanks! Wayne From adammelancon at gmail.com Wed Oct 27 19:34:48 2004 From: adammelancon at gmail.com (Adam Melancon) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 14:34:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Re: Help! Squidguard will not obey the ACLs in the conf file In-Reply-To: References: <20041027190827.6543D735D4@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <489287610410271234296c5871@mail.gmail.com> Thats ok, just open a browser on the terminal and change the proxy settings to use the ipaddress of the K12LTSP server, but change the port to 3128. If you are ON the server, just change the proxy settings to 127.0.0.1 port 3128 just to test squid/squidguard. If it starts to block, then you have a problem with iptables not routing port 80 traffic to 3128 If this is the case, you will need to enter this. /sbin/iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 3128 This will take any port 80 traffic entering on port 80 on eth0 and redirect it to squid on 3128 which hands the web traffic off to squidguard to be filtered. On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 15:24:35 -0400 (EDT), joseph.bishay at utoronto.ca wrote: > G'day, > > > From: Adam Melancon > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Re: Help! Squidguard will not obey the ACLs in > > the conf file > > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > > Message-ID: <4892876104102711351e507b5a at mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > > > You can check to see if it's even working by pointing a browser to use > > your squidguard box as a proxy and set the port to 3128. > > I don't have a seperate box acting as a proxy - the ltsp server also has > squid & squidguard on it. > > > Also, you might want to do > > tail /var/log/squidGuard/squidGuard.log > > and make sure that you see this > > 2004-10-27 05:03:56 [5659] squidGuard 1.2.0 started (1098871435.867) > > 2004-10-27 05:03:56 [5659] squidGuard ready for requests (1098871436.095) > > If it's not started and ready for requests it will not block sites. > > > Did that, and found that it is started and ready for requests. It is > accepting some requests and allowing others throught I thought that would > be a function of the blacklist ACL, rather than if squidguard is running > or not, correct? Or am I not understanding? > > Thank you. > > > Joseph > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Adam Melancon Work: http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us Personal: http://www.melancon.org From Mike.Karolow at mail.sprint.com Wed Oct 27 19:43:35 2004 From: Mike.Karolow at mail.sprint.com (Karolow, Mike [ITS]) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 14:43:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] HD boot-Format 1722kb floppy on Fedora Core 2 Message-ID: <070C23AE468F5D49885DEFE432ED4B7601DABBA6@PKDWB01C.ad.sprint.com> Yea I think I stumbled across the issue here at the release notes for the rom-o-matic: The .lzdsk images used to work from a raw hard disk in 5.0 but the 5.2 .zdsk doesn't any more because it's too hard to support large images with the old boot1a.s. Since very few people boot from a raw hard disk (flash disks and supporting BIOSes seem to have some kind of filesystem on it already rather than work like a raw hard disk) this is not going to be fixed. Instead, you should use a bootloader like LILO to launch Etherboot. If you feel inclined to write a hdload.S counterpart to floppyload.S, feel free. When I went to the .lzdsk images that come with K12KTSP, I stopped getting the "crazy scrolling errors". The only downside is that I had to get the right ROM for each machine instead of using the universal boot disk. Mike Karolow Volunteer IT Administrator the greenhouse school Salem, Ma, USA -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Debbie Schiel Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 2:59 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] HD boot-Format 1722kb floppy on Fedora Core 2 Hi Les It worked... kinda... When I boot it now says Loading ROM image.. and then a row of numbers repeated over and over. BUT at least I know now how to copy the floppy to the hard drive. If I reboot with the same floppy still in, then it boots up as a client. But it doesn't seem to like it copied to the hard drive. I'll go back to rom-o-matic and try the other rom images... Thanks for the tip. Debbie Les Bell wrote: > Debbie Schiel wrote: > > > I used toms root boot, because these PCs don't have CDROMs, and then > took the rom floppy (it normally boots the client up fine so I know it's > the right one) and tried # cat /dev/fd0 /dev/hda .... > << > > I've never done that stuff myself, so take my advice with a pinch of > whatever. However, if you were trying to copy the contents of the floppy to > the hard drive, the command should be > > cat /dev/fd0 > /dev/hda > > and you shouldn't see any rubbish on the screen. You could also use the dd > command > > dd if=/dev/fd0 of=/dev/hda > > See if that helps. . . > > Best, > > --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP > [http://www.lesbell.com.au] > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- http://www.redeemer.qld.edu.au/ _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Oct 27 20:00:36 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 13:00:36 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Recommended Server for 25 terminals on K12LTSP 4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <417FFE64.4060308@paasda.org> If you wanna do it on the cheap(not looking for growth)... Grab an AMD 2000+ chip with about 3 gigs of ram... 40 gig hd if ppl aren't saving too much stuff to the server... the gigabit ethernet is very helpful... and that'll hold ya quite easily... --Huck Wayne Fulton wrote: >We are looking into setting up a K12LTSP lab with 25 >workstations. What type of server minimal specs (memory, hard >drive, scsi or ide, processor) do you recommend? > >Thanks! >Wayne > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From watersjenusa2002 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 27 20:21:22 2004 From: watersjenusa2002 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Waters) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 13:21:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] XFree86 Message-ID: <20041027202122.63144.qmail@web52009.mail.yahoo.com> I just did the Federa update on my servers. Now the thin clients can't see the server. I know there is something wrong with XFree86. Would someone tell me where to look and what to change. Thank you for your help, Jennifer __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From watersjenusa2002 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 27 20:24:36 2004 From: watersjenusa2002 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Waters) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 13:24:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Apache Message-ID: <20041027202436.64332.qmail@web52009.mail.yahoo.com> I have Apache on one of my servers. The Macs can see the web pages, but Windows can't. Does anyone have any suggestions on what might be wrong? This is for a schools inside web pages. Thank you for your help, Jennifer _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Express yourself with Y! Messenger! Free. Download now. http://messenger.yahoo.com From aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org Wed Oct 27 20:39:33 2004 From: aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org (aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 16:39:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Apache In-Reply-To: <20041027202436.64332.qmail@web52009.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3678513473.1098895173@[192.168.0.16]> > I have Apache on one of my servers. The Macs can see > the web pages, but Windows can't. Does anyone have any > suggestions on what might be wrong? This is for a > schools inside web pages. Don't know if this helps. On my internal network many users report IE will not find the web server without using http://x.x.x.x. Meaning ip.of.the.server in the URL window does not work. Try http://ip.of.the.server/ if you are using IE on a PC. I would not know I only use Mozilla and or FireFox :) Tom Ventresco From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Wed Oct 27 20:45:28 2004 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 16:45:28 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Anyone using Compaq Deskpro In-Reply-To: <20041027190827.A54137392D@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20041027190827.A54137392D@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1098909927.20625.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> We used a few of these boxes 2 years ago. We disabled the onboard nic and installed some inexpensive nics that used the tuilp driver. We also installed 8 MB grapics cards. They worked well for us. John From tlegge at rogers.com Wed Oct 27 20:57:23 2004 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 17:57:23 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Anyone using Compaq Deskpro 5133 In-Reply-To: References: <20040927132523.jsmith@breakthroughministries.com.12> Message-ID: <1098910643.11504.7.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 15:57, Jim Wildman wrote: > On Wed, 27 Oct 2004, John A. Smith wrote: > > > Did you use the onboard nic? What driver worked with it and was it only capable of 10 mbps? > > I think it's a tlan:netflex3, but haven't gotten it to work yet. > > > > I (and others I know) have had lots of headaches with tlan cards. My > advice would be to grab some used Intel cards at your local retailer and > disable the onboard nic. Hi I wrote the etherboot driver for the tlan about a year ago. To the best of my knowledge it works fine (on all three pci nics I have as well as several reports from other people). It is likely that many people were unable to use the tlan prior to this and just installed a different pci nic. If you have issues with the tlan, I am will to try to resolve it. Contact me directly or through the etherboot-users list. Tim From Mike.Karolow at mail.sprint.com Wed Oct 27 20:45:03 2004 From: Mike.Karolow at mail.sprint.com (Karolow, Mike [ITS]) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 15:45:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Recommended Server for 25 terminals on K12LTSP 4 Message-ID: <070C23AE468F5D49885DEFE432ED4B7601DABC06@PKDWB01C.ad.sprint.com> If it's the type of situation where all 25 machines are going to log on at once, like in a lab where all the students sit down and fire up the machines together, I think there would be some *serious* lag there. Once everyone's going, then you'd be fine. I'm running just a few machines from a P-III 700 and load times are rough, so with 25 even on a faster processor... Mike Karolow Volunteer IT Administrator the greenhouse school Salem, Ma, USA ------------------------------ Huck wrote: If you wanna do it on the cheap(not looking for growth)... Grab an AMD 2000+ chip with about 3 gigs of ram... 40 gig hd if ppl aren't saving too much stuff to the server... the gigabit ethernet is very helpful... and that'll hold ya quite easily... --Huck Wayne Fulton wrote: >We are looking into setting up a K12LTSP lab with 25 >workstations. What type of server minimal specs (memory, hard >drive, scsi or ide, processor) do you recommend? > >Thanks! >Wayne > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Oct 27 21:40:45 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 14:40:45 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Recommended Server for 25 terminals on K12LTSP 4 In-Reply-To: <070C23AE468F5D49885DEFE432ED4B7601DABC06@PKDWB01C.ad.sprint.com> References: <070C23AE468F5D49885DEFE432ED4B7601DABC06@PKDWB01C.ad.sprint.com> Message-ID: <418015DD.5030604@paasda.org> on my first test machine I used a P4 2.6 ghz with 2gig of ram... slow start up...but after start up everything was smooth....20 client machines --Huck Karolow, Mike [ITS] wrote: >If it's the type of situation where all 25 machines are going to log on >at once, like in a lab where all the students sit down and fire up the >machines together, I think there would be some *serious* lag there. Once >everyone's going, then you'd be fine. I'm running just a few machines >from a P-III 700 and load times are rough, so with 25 even on a faster >processor... > >Mike Karolow >Volunteer IT Administrator >the greenhouse school >Salem, Ma, USA > >------------------------------ > >Huck wrote: > >If you wanna do it on the cheap(not looking for growth)... > >Grab an AMD 2000+ chip with about 3 gigs of ram... >40 gig hd if ppl aren't saving too much stuff to the server... >the gigabit ethernet is very helpful... > >and that'll hold ya quite easily... > >--Huck > >Wayne Fulton wrote: > > > >>We are looking into setting up a K12LTSP lab with 25 >>workstations. What type of server minimal specs (memory, hard >>drive, scsi or ide, processor) do you recommend? >> >>Thanks! >>Wayne >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From goblin at scooter.co.nz Wed Oct 27 22:09:38 2004 From: goblin at scooter.co.nz (goblin at scooter.co.nz) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 11:09:38 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] Push Item to Desktop Problem In-Reply-To: <489287610410271209209bb5df@mail.gmail.com> References: <417FEDAA.3090601@mts.net> <489287610410271209209bb5df@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41801CA2.9030207@scooter.co.nz> Adam Melancon wrote: > Don't quote me on it, but I'm guessing you can edit the > /usr/sbin/push-icons-to-users-desktops > script to include your directories in the /home folder Without seeing the rest of the script I can't be sure if this will help but.... in a shell script you can refer to a users home directory with ~username e.g. ~user ~user1 etc... mRgOBLIN From prentice at instruction.com Wed Oct 27 22:11:41 2004 From: prentice at instruction.com (Dave Prentice) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 17:11:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Anyone using Compaq Deskpro 5133 Message-ID: <01c4bc71$efdbc3e0$6500000a@Dave.HOME> >Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 13:25:23 -0500 >From: "John A. Smith" >Subject: [K12OSN] Anyone using Compaq Deskpro 5133 >I am setting up a lab and would like to use a couple of Compaq Deskpro 5133 machines I have laying around. However, I can't seem to get a nic to work in the thing. >Anyone out there using this box? If so: When you say the nic won't work, does it connect with the server at all? If it does but then hangs, you probably have a video problem rather than bad NICs. I was going nuts with Compaqs until I found out editing the vidlist file would make them boot OK. Dave Prentice prentice at instruction.com http://www.originsresource.org From goblin at scooter.co.nz Wed Oct 27 22:16:49 2004 From: goblin at scooter.co.nz (goblin at scooter.co.nz) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 11:16:49 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] Push Item to Desktop Problem In-Reply-To: <41801CA2.9030207@scooter.co.nz> References: <417FEDAA.3090601@mts.net> <489287610410271209209bb5df@mail.gmail.com> <41801CA2.9030207@scooter.co.nz> Message-ID: <41801E51.6000203@scooter.co.nz> goblin at scooter.co.nz wrote: A quick google turned up the correct answer I think :) ====================================================================== Edit /usr/sbin/push-icons-to-users-desktops and change the HOMEDIRS variable to match your settings. Seperate different directories with white space, such as: HOMEDIRS="/home/students /home/staff /home/other" ======================================================================= From les at futuresource.com Wed Oct 27 22:44:54 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 17:44:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] XFree86 In-Reply-To: <20041027202122.63144.qmail@web52009.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041027202122.63144.qmail@web52009.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1098917094.25406.39.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 15:21, Jennifer Waters wrote: > I just did the Federa update on my servers. Now the > thin clients can't see the server. I know there is > something wrong with XFree86. Would someone tell me > where to look and what to change. Depending on versions, the update may have replaced your /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf file with a new one. It should have renamed the old one as a backup. You may need to replace any local changes in the new one. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jsmith at breakthroughministries.com Wed Oct 27 22:59:29 2004 From: jsmith at breakthroughministries.com (John A. Smith) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 17:59:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Anyone using Compaq Deskpro 5133 In-Reply-To: <1098910643.11504.7.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> References: <1098910643.11504.7.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> Message-ID: <20040927175929.jsmith@breakthroughministries.com.12> I actually got the tlan driver to work with a Deskpro 2000, but not with the 5133s. I think I need at least 100 mbps, however, so I'm trying different cards. Thanks for the work though! -john ----- Original Message ----- Timothy Legge wrote: > On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 15:57, Jim Wildman wrote: > > On Wed, 27 Oct 2004, John A. Smith wrote: > > > > > Did you use the onboard nic? What driver worked with it and was it only capable of 10 mbps? > > > I think it's a tlan:netflex3, but haven't gotten it to work yet. > > > > > > > I (and others I know) have had lots of headaches with tlan cards. My > > advice would be to grab some used Intel cards at your local retailer and > > disable the onboard nic. > > Hi > > I wrote the etherboot driver for the tlan about a year ago. To the best > of my knowledge it works fine (on all three pci nics I have as well as > several reports from other people). > > It is likely that many people were unable to use the tlan prior to this > and just installed a different pci nic. > > If you have issues with the tlan, I am will to try to resolve it. > Contact me directly or through the etherboot-users list. > > Tim > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- John A. Smith Director of Administration Breakthrough Urban Ministries 5243 N. Ashland Ave. Chicago, IL 60640-2001 PH: 773.989.4382, x230 FAX: 773.989.7329 http://www.breakthroughministries.com From jsmith at breakthroughministries.com Wed Oct 27 23:02:12 2004 From: jsmith at breakthroughministries.com (John A. Smith) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 18:02:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Anyone using Compaq Deskpro 5133 In-Reply-To: <01c4bc71$efdbc3e0$6500000a@Dave.HOME> References: <01c4bc71$efdbc3e0$6500000a@Dave.HOME> Message-ID: <20040927180212.jsmith@breakthroughministries.com.12> I've tried about 3 nics I have laying around (Adaptec, Kingston, 3c900b-tpo) and the onboard tlan. With a modified 3c900b-tpo etherboot disk from rom-o-matic, the card was recognized but hung trying to find the DHCP server. -john smith ----- Original Message ----- Dave Prentice wrote: > >Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 13:25:23 -0500 > >From: "John A. Smith" > >Subject: [K12OSN] Anyone using Compaq Deskpro 5133 > >I am setting up a lab and would like to use a couple of Compaq > Deskpro 5133 machines I have laying around. However, I can't seem to > get a nic to work in the thing. > >Anyone out there using this box? If so: > When you say the nic won't work, does it connect with the server at > all? If it does but then hangs, you probably have a video problem > rather than bad NICs. I was going nuts with Compaqs until I found out > editing the vidlist file would make them boot OK. > Dave Prentice > prentice at instruction.com > http://www.originsresource.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- John A. Smith Director of Administration Breakthrough Urban Ministries 5243 N. Ashland Ave. Chicago, IL 60640-2001 PH: 773.989.4382, x230 FAX: 773.989.7329 http://www.breakthroughministries.com From tlegge at rogers.com Thu Oct 28 00:05:27 2004 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 21:05:27 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Anyone using Compaq Deskpro 5133 In-Reply-To: <20040927175929.jsmith@breakthroughministries.com.12> References: <1098910643.11504.7.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> <20040927175929.jsmith@breakthroughministries.com.12> Message-ID: <1098921927.11504.19.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 19:59, John A. Smith wrote: > I actually got the tlan driver to work with a Deskpro 2000, but not with the 5133s. I think I need at least 100 mbps, however, so I'm trying different cards. Thanks for the work though! > > -john The tlan is available in both a 10MBs and 10/100mbps versions and I suspect that the 5133 would have 10/100 (based on quick googling). I will keep my eye out for a 5133, the trouble with onboard NICs is that they are difficult to obtain. No one wants to ship me a PC. The tlan driver should support a number of different cards. When I compile from source for a floppy I simply make bin/tlan.fd0 as it will support all the tlans. If I remember correctly, choosing any tlan driver with a floppy format from romomatic should work too. If you have time to trouble shoot some time let me know. Tim > ----- Original Message ----- > Timothy Legge wrote: > > On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 15:57, Jim Wildman wrote: > > > On Wed, 27 Oct 2004, John A. Smith wrote: > > > > > > > Did you use the onboard nic? What driver worked with it and was it only capable of 10 mbps? > > > > I think it's a tlan:netflex3, but haven't gotten it to work yet. > > > > > > > > > > I (and others I know) have had lots of headaches with tlan cards. My > > > advice would be to grab some used Intel cards at your local retailer and > > > disable the onboard nic. > > > > Hi > > > > I wrote the etherboot driver for the tlan about a year ago. To the best > > of my knowledge it works fine (on all three pci nics I have as well as > > several reports from other people). > > > > It is likely that many people were unable to use the tlan prior to this > > and just installed a different pci nic. > > > > If you have issues with the tlan, I am will to try to resolve it. > > Contact me directly or through the etherboot-users list. > > > > Tim > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > John A. Smith > Director of Administration > Breakthrough Urban Ministries > 5243 N. Ashland Ave. > Chicago, IL 60640-2001 > PH: 773.989.4382, x230 > FAX: 773.989.7329 > http://www.breakthroughministries.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From tlegge at rogers.com Thu Oct 28 00:07:58 2004 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 21:07:58 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Recommended Server for 25 terminals on K12LTSP 4 In-Reply-To: <070C23AE468F5D49885DEFE432ED4B7601DABC06@PKDWB01C.ad.sprint.com> References: <070C23AE468F5D49885DEFE432ED4B7601DABC06@PKDWB01C.ad.sprint.com> Message-ID: <1098922078.11504.22.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 17:45, Karolow, Mike [ITS] wrote: > If it's the type of situation where all 25 machines are going to log on > at once, like in a lab where all the students sit down and fire up the > machines together, I think there would be some *serious* lag there. Once > everyone's going, then you'd be fine. I'm running just a few machines > from a P-III 700 and load times are rough, so with 25 even on a faster > processor... Do you mean the time required to download the kernel? If so, there are some things like multicast that can improve that. It is a little more complicated so I would suggest it only if you are ready to experiment a little. Tim From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Oct 28 00:30:01 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 17:30:01 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Recommended Server for 25 terminals on K12LTSP 4 In-Reply-To: <1098922078.11504.22.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> References: <070C23AE468F5D49885DEFE432ED4B7601DABC06@PKDWB01C.ad.sprint.com> <1098922078.11504.22.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> Message-ID: <41803D89.2010204@paasda.org> when 25 people log on and load open office all at once (tuxmath/type would be insanely slow cuz of network bandwidth)... it tends to bog down the server...then once the programs are all up and running it flows smoothly... Timothy Legge wrote: >On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 17:45, Karolow, Mike [ITS] wrote: > > >>If it's the type of situation where all 25 machines are going to log on >>at once, like in a lab where all the students sit down and fire up the >>machines together, I think there would be some *serious* lag there. Once >>everyone's going, then you'd be fine. I'm running just a few machines >>from a P-III 700 and load times are rough, so with 25 even on a faster >>processor... >> >> > >Do you mean the time required to download the kernel? If so, there are >some things like multicast that can improve that. It is a little more >complicated so I would suggest it only if you are ready to experiment a >little. > >Tim > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From odonovan at bsd.sk.ca Thu Oct 28 04:07:56 2004 From: odonovan at bsd.sk.ca (Owen O Donovan) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 22:07:56 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Recommended Server for 25 terminals on K12LTSP 4 In-Reply-To: <418015DD.5030604@paasda.org> References: <070C23AE468F5D49885DEFE432ED4B7601DABC06@PKDWB01C.ad.sprint.com> <418015DD.5030604@paasda.org> Message-ID: <20041028023255.M41315@bsd.sk.ca> As some previous writers have mentioned: it all depends on how many people are doing what. (and mostly on 3 variables: cpu, mem and disk) CPU: I've seen acceptable performance for 15 people on a Celeron 300 --as long as they are doing simple tasks with appropriate tools like basic text editing and simple (non-animated) browsing. Somewhere between 50 - 100MHz/user is where we seem to have landed. (One common config is a 2X~3GHz machine which fast enough for most applications for around 60 users and puts it at the high end of the range). So 20 users implies about 1 - 2 GHz (Hyperthreading & multi procs are VERY helpful as they mitigate the effects of runaway processes).--So your machine degrades gracefully under pressure.-- The 100MHz per user figure lets a fair proportion of the clients use Java, JavaScript & Flash concurrently (in for example animated web pages)-- and play gazmes. But don't expect everyone to be able to do concurrent real-time video without a big boost in CPU specs (and some serious planning arithmetic beforehand) Network considerations (more that a couple of 100Mbps NICS) also would come into play. Memory: It's simple arithmetic again. Open/Star Office often seems to take from 50 - 70MB per instance (often less and sometimes more). Moz takes less usu 25 - 50MB. The key is to make sure you have enough RAM for the projected users & usage to keep the system out of swap. Extra mem is also important to buffer you from the effects lost processes & runaways that are not properly returned to the system when things go wrong. --grace under pressure again. For 20 users 1.5GB minimum; 2GB should cover you well. Disk: In most our schools, the Lbox just runs the applications and the file service is done through nfs to a school-wide file server/authenticator/dhcp server.The LTSP box just does tftp & nfs of the client files. If your setup were like that and if you can keep the system out of swap, you can get away with minimal disk resources (ie. 1 scsi). The dual 3GHz macines ref'd above have only 1 SCSI drive & can run 60 users. But when we had them with 3G RAM they ran out of mem at about 40 users. Then things really slowed down as the machine went to swap on disk! An extra gig solved that. If you expect the machine to go to disk often (is it doing its own user file service, print service squid caching; are you intentionally letting user processes swap out; does it do dhcp, tftp, nfs for the terminals; are you using a vm like VMWare or Netraverse; are you GIMPing larger images; ...) then you need _minimally_ 2 drives. Even in small schools (<10 terminals) we use a 2 drive setup for reundancy --performance is a side benefit. Our experience with IDE is that it's always unacceptable! (has anyone used it for class-sized installations?) SCSI works; I can't speak to SATA but would propose that you consider more drives (>2)if you think of moving in that direction and perhaps a small boost in CPU to offset the added load.. Good luck! oo / = ________________________________ Owen O'Donovan Battlefords School Division #118 (ph) (306) 937 7702 (fx) (306) 937 7721 _________________________________ Open WebMail Project (http://openwebmail.org) On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 14:40:45 -0700, Huck wrote > on my first test machine I used a P4 2.6 ghz with 2gig of ram... > slow start up...but after start up everything was smooth....20 client > machines > > --Huck > > Karolow, Mike [ITS] wrote: > > >If it's the type of situation where all 25 machines are going to log on > >at once, like in a lab where all the students sit down and fire up the > >machines together, I think there would be some *serious* lag there. Once > >everyone's going, then you'd be fine. I'm running just a few machines > >from a P-III 700 and load times are rough, so with 25 even on a faster > >processor... > > > >Mike Karolow > >Volunteer IT Administrator > >the greenhouse school > >Salem, Ma, USA > > > >------------------------------ > > > >Huck wrote: > > > >If you wanna do it on the cheap(not looking for growth)... > > > >Grab an AMD 2000+ chip with about 3 gigs of ram... > >40 gig hd if ppl aren't saving too much stuff to the server... > >the gigabit ethernet is very helpful... > > > >and that'll hold ya quite easily... > > > >--Huck > > > >Wayne Fulton wrote: > > > > > > > >>We are looking into setting up a K12LTSP lab with 25 > >>workstations. What type of server minimal specs (memory, hard > >>drive, scsi or ide, processor) do you recommend? > >> > >>Thanks! > >>Wayne > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>K12OSN mailing list > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>For more info see > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From lsrpm at mts.net Thu Oct 28 05:10:31 2004 From: lsrpm at mts.net (Liam Marshall) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 00:10:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SCSI hard drive speed Message-ID: <41807F47.4010209@mts.net> I have upgraded as far as I can go for this year. Performance is acceptable, except that more than 2 instances of thin clients running tux type or tux math bogs entire system down. Everything else functions well. Staroffice and FireFox running simultaneously on 25+ machines doing research essays perform well enough for our school's needs. For next year, or next term if I am lucky, I am thinking of upgrading the hard drives. Currently using an old IBM SCSI drive (9gb) for /root and a Seagate SCSI (18 gb and 5400 rpm) for /home /opt and /swap. Would 11000, or 15000 rpm SCSI drives show any kind of performance increase? Even if they don't I would probably still upgrade them eventually to gain more storage anyway, but it would be nice to justify the bigger drive(s) by saying that the increased rpm would make a noticable improvement in performance Ideas/suggestions? From microman at cmosnetworks.com Thu Oct 28 11:41:54 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 07:41:54 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Recommended Server for 25 terminals on K12LTSP 4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4180DB02.6070704@cmosnetworks.com> Wayne Fulton wrote: >We are looking into setting up a K12LTSP lab with 25 >workstations. What type of server minimal specs (memory, hard >drive, scsi or ide, processor) do you recommend? > >Thanks! >Wayne > > Hello Wayne, I have a 25-user lab, and here's mine: Dual Athlon 1700+ 4GB DRAM Gig-E over fiber Twin 80GB IDE hard disks "El Cheapo" video card, an ATI Xpert98, I believe The dual processors allow multiple folks to start up applications and run them faster. The 4GB DRAM allows this to happen without swapping to disk. The Gig-E allows them to use their terminals without it feeling like they're running across a 1200bps modem. The video card in your server doesn't matter; it can be an old PCI-based Diamond Stealth64 from 1995. You'll likely see some recommendations for SCSI and multiple spindles. They're right, but...while it is certainly true that SCSI is the best, and Serial ATA is better than "traditional" 40-pin IDE, your budget might dictate going with IDE, as mine did when my server was built. The DRAM becomes very much a blessing in this case; my server simply doesn't swap. It's been over a year now since this thing was put into production, and so far, so good. --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From microman at cmosnetworks.com Thu Oct 28 11:55:05 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 07:55:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SCSI hard drive speed In-Reply-To: <41807F47.4010209@mts.net> References: <41807F47.4010209@mts.net> Message-ID: <4180DE19.3010702@cmosnetworks.com> Liam Marshall wrote: > I have upgraded as far as I can go for this year. Performance is > acceptable, except that more than 2 instances of thin clients running > tux type or tux math bogs entire system down. Everything else > functions well. Staroffice and FireFox running simultaneously on 25+ > machines doing research essays perform well enough for our school's > needs. > > For next year, or next term if I am lucky, I am thinking of upgrading > the hard drives. Currently using an old IBM SCSI drive (9gb) for > /root and a Seagate SCSI (18 gb and 5400 rpm) for /home /opt and /swap. > > Would 11000, or 15000 rpm SCSI drives show any kind of performance > increase? Even if they don't I would probably still upgrade them > eventually to gain more storage anyway, but it would be nice to > justify the bigger drive(s) by saying that the increased rpm would > make a noticable improvement in performance > > Ideas/suggestions? > > > ______________________________ Are you running Gigabit Ethernet on your server? If you're running TuxType or TuxMath, then this matters. In previous threads, I've mentioned how, during a bandwidth measurement of TuxType, I saw 73Mb/sec being sucked up by just one client playing the game. If you've only got a 100Mbps card in your server, you're going to peg its capacity very, very quickly with TuxType or TuxMath. The same goes for anything else that does a lot of screen updates like that. StarOffice and Firefox, used for doing research essays, don't do a bunch of screen updates like that, so they're much more "compatible" with lower-bandwidth situations. Think of it like this: You've got four or five kids who want to leave a room through the one standard-sized (32-in wide) door in the room. That works. However, when you try 40 kids all trying to cram their way out of that same door, you gonna have ze problem. This is why high schools tend to have that string of, maybe 15 doors in the front entrance (ours do, anyway). I've played TuxType and TuxMath, multiple sessions, on servers with 40-pin, 7200-RPM IDE drives--but which had Gig-E--and it was just dandy. If you can go with fiber, so much the better (immune to EM interference), but a short run of Cat5-based Gig-E should be just fine, too. --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From petre at maltzen.net Thu Oct 28 13:29:10 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 08:29:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Off-topic Ultrasparc in K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <417FF3CB.9080704@netscape.net> References: <417FF3CB.9080704@netscape.net> Message-ID: <4180F426.3040406@maltzen.net> Sun boxes, by default, listen for XDMCP requests; it's part of their "the network is the computer" philosophy, in that they make it so you can log into any machine on the network no matter which machine you sit down in front of (assuming the machines are all Suns). In the case of your LTSP clients, they already had the kernel and X loaded, so when your LTSP server went down, they just rebroadcast for another server to connect to, similar to when a user logs out of the client and X resets and then gets the login screen for the LTSP server. I suspect that any clients that weren't already booted would not come up in this situation because there was no server to provide a kernel, etc. You may have had 20 workstations at a login screen, but how many were then actually logged in and running apps? A UltraSparc 1 would give you OpenWindows and perhaps Common Desktop Environment (CDE) for choices of desktops, both of which consume a lot less memory than KDE or Gnome; I suspect CDE consumes more than IceWM, but OpenWindows will beat them all in consuming the least amount of resources--it's also the most barebones environment. Try logging in on a bunch of the clients and run a few apps; I suspect it will keep up for a bit, but soon will start swapping. Petre norbert wrote: > Hi, > > I've had something strange occur while trying to use an Ultrasparc 1 > with Solaris 9 as a workstation. I was having some networking problems > with the cable-modem, so I shut down my ltsp server but as I did the > thin-clients logged into the Sparc. I don't quite understand why since > I'm not running NFS shares nor DHCP on the Ultrasparc. > > Anyone with more Solaris knowledge that can enlighten me will be greatly > apppreciate. Strange thing is that this is a 167Mhz UltraSparc processor > with 256 MB of memory and it had 20 Workstations logged in. Whereas my > main server is a P-IV 2.8 Ghz with 2 GB memory for the same number of > clients and the Sparc seems to be faster !!! > > thks > norbert > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Thu Oct 28 13:34:15 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 08:34:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Apache In-Reply-To: <20041027202436.64332.qmail@web52009.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041027202436.64332.qmail@web52009.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4180F557.10609@maltzen.net> Have a Windows box try to hit the Apache server and then look in /var/log/httpd/error_log for indications of whether Apache even saw the request. Petre Jennifer Waters wrote: > I have Apache on one of my servers. The Macs can see > the web pages, but Windows can't. Does anyone have any > suggestions on what might be wrong? This is for a > schools inside web pages. > > Thank you for your help, > > Jennifer > > > > _______________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Express yourself with Y! Messenger! Free. Download now. > http://messenger.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From lewis at pcc.com Thu Oct 28 13:48:32 2004 From: lewis at pcc.com (Lewis Holcroft) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 09:48:32 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Definitive guide to editing gnome menus? In-Reply-To: <417F4C76.4000000@redeemer.qld.edu.au> References: <417E38B6.1090704@redeemer.qld.edu.au> <1098795270.14150.1.camel@ltsp1a003.ltsp1a> <417F4C76.4000000@redeemer.qld.edu.au> Message-ID: <0E58506C-28E8-11D9-A390-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> Debbie, I spent a great deal of time trying to solve the same problem. So I'm hoping to see the solution also. In the end I switched to IceWM. Which I like a great deal for its ease of use. Lewis On Oct 27, 2004, at 3:21 AM, Debbie Schiel wrote: > Hi Bimal, and thanks for your tips. I gave them a go (step by step, no > errors produced) but they have had no effect. > You say that it works for redhat linux 9.0 with gnome2. > I am using Fedora Core 2 with whatever came as default with k12ltsp > 4.1.0 - is that the same as your setup? If it is then I must be doing > something wrong and I will try it again, otherwise it means that this > method doesn't work with K12ltsp 4.1.0. > > Thanks again, > > Debbie > > bimal pandit wrote: >> try the attached file's method, i did this and is working perfectly!! >> bimal >> On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 17:14, Debbie Schiel wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> Does anyone have *the* guide to editing the 'start menu'? >>> >>> I'm using the k12ltsp 4.1.0 install (Fedora Core 2) and the default >>> out-of-the-box session (gnome??). >>> >>> I have tried the methods described on the Gnome.org/learn site, and >>> followed suggestions from previous posts in k12osn, without luck. I >>> have somehow been able to *add* to the menu - but they're duplicates >>> of what is already there... I don't want to delete the apps, just >>> make them unavailable to groups/users. >>> >>> Going on my past experiences, I reckon I would probably get there in >>> the end, but tips and advice could make my 'journey' a lot shorter. >>> (They're also very encouraging!) >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Debbie >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> --- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> /usr/share/applications >>> >>> >>> /etc/X11/applnk >>> /usr/share/gnome/apps >>> /usr/share/applnk >>> >>> >>> /usr/share/control-center-2.0/capplets/ >>> /usr/share/gnome/capplets/ >>> >>> /usr/share/desktop-menu-files >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Applications >>> Applications.directory >>> gnome-search-tool.desktop >>> gnome-network-scheme.desktop >>> >>> >>> >>> Core >>> >>> Merged >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Internet >>> Internet.directory >>> redhat-web.desktop >>> net-gaim.desktop >>> redhat-gnomemeeting.desktop >>> >>> >>> X-Red-Hat-Base >>> Application >>> Network >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> MediaPlayer >>> MediaPlayer.directory >>> mediaplayer.desktop >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Office >>> Office.directory >>> redhat-drawing.desktop >>> redhat-diagrams.desktop >>> redhat-math.desktop >>> openoffice-printeradmin.desktop >>> codefactory-mrproject.desktop >>> >>> >>> X-Red-Hat-Base >>> Application >>> >>> Office >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Other >>> Other.directory >>> >>> >>> >>> Application >>> >>> >>> Settings >>> X-Red-Hat-Base-Only >>> X-Red-Hat-Base >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> --- >>> >>> This is the customization process for a user "user1" in gnome >>> environment >>> >>> i took help from "http://www.bluethingy.com/linux/rh8menu.html" site >>> a lot of thanks to >>> mknepher at bluethingy.com(in fact his name was not there!!) >>> >>> i am using redhat linux 9.0 with gnome2 >>> >>> Why? >>> ---- >>> In fact i had installed LTSP server and wanted that the gnome >>> desktop should be customized per user, as i searched the net and got >>> a few valuable links(like above) which helped me to get my work >>> done, so i thought to give back "The NET Community" so that they can >>> get releif while doing the same task. >>> >>> >>> How I did This? >>> --------------- >>> >>> [root at localhost root]# useradd user1 >>> >>> [root at localhost root]# passwd ****** >>> < do confirmation > >>> >>> [root at localhost root]# cd /home/user1/.gnome2 >>> >>> NOTE:- IN CASE YOU DON'T GET THIS DIRECTORY DON'T GET PANICKED, AS >>> THIS MEANS YOU DID'NT LOGGED IN AS THIS USER SO JUST LOGIN AS THIS >>> USER(user1) ONCE AND THIS AND OTHER DIRECTORIES WILL GET CREATED >>> AUTOMATICALLY!! >>> >>> [root at localhost .gnome2]# mkdir -p vfolders/applications >>> >>> [root at localhost .gnome2]# cd vfolders >>> >>> [root at localhost vfolders]# cp >>> /etc/X11/desktop-menus/applications.menu applications.vfolder-info >>> >>> NOTE:- this is "applications.vfolder-info" and NOT >>> "applications.vfolders-info" >>> [root at localhost vfolders]# cd applications >>> >>> [root at localhost applications]# cp /usr/share/applications/*.desktop >>> . >>> >>> NOTE:- i.e copy "/usr/share/applications/*.desktop" in >>> this(applications) directory >>> >>> [root at localhost applications]# cd .. >>> >>> [root at localhost vfolders]# vi applications.vfolder-info >>> >>> AND EDIT AS PER YOUR REQUIREMENT!! >>> >>> HERE I AM GIVING MY CUSTOMIZED ENTRIES WHICH REDUCED THE DESKTOP >>> MENU TO A GREAT EXTANT!! >>> >>> CONTENTS OF "applications.vfolder-info" >>> >>> ************************* YOU CAN CUT AND PASTE BELOW GIVEN ENTRIES >>> ****************************** >>> >>> >>> >>> /usr/share/applications >>> >>> >>> /etc/X11/applnk >>> /usr/share/gnome/apps >>> /usr/share/applnk >>> >>> >>> /usr/share/control-center-2.0/capplets/ >>> /usr/share/gnome/capplets/ >>> >>> /usr/share/desktop-menu-files >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Applications >>> Applications.directory >>> gnome-search-tool.desktop >>> gnome-network-scheme.desktop >>> >>> >>> >>> Core >>> >>> Merged >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Internet >>> Internet.directory >>> redhat-web.desktop >>> net-gaim.desktop >>> redhat-gnomemeeting.desktop >>> >>> >>> X-Red-Hat-Base >>> Application >>> Network >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Office >>> Office.directory >>> redhat-drawing.desktop >>> redhat-diagrams.desktop >>> redhat-math.desktop >>> openoffice-printeradmin.desktop >>> codefactory-mrproject.desktop >>> >>> >>> X-Red-Hat-Base >>> Application >>> >>> Office >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Graphics >>> Graphics.directory >>> net-xpdf.desktop >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Other >>> Other.directory >>> >>> >>> >>> Application >>> >>> >>> Settings >>> X-Red-Hat-Base-Only >>> X-Red-Hat-Base >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ************************** YOU CAN CUT AND PASTE ABOVE ENTRIES >>> ******************************* >>> >>> one should also remember that there may be some link file(s) (of >>> additionally installed packages) , so you need to create that link >>> accordingly as i did :- >>> >>> ln -s /usr/share/desktop-menu-patches/redhat-drawing.desktop >>> /home/user1/.gnome2/vfolders/applications/redhat-drawing.desktop >>> >>> ln -s >>> /usr/share/desktop-menu-patches/redhat-email.desktop >>> /home/user1/.gnome2/vfolders/applications/redhat-email.desktop >>> >>> ln -s >>> /usr/share/desktop-menu-patches/redhat-math.desktop >>> /home/user1/.gnome2/vfolders/applications/redhat-math.desktop >>> >>> ln -s >>> /usr/share/desktop-menu-patches/redhat-presentations.desktop >>> /home/user1/.gnome2/vfolders/applications/redhat- >>> presentations.desktop >>> >>> ln -s >>> /usr/share/desktop-menu-patches/redhat-spreadsheet.desktop >>> /home/user1/.gnome2/vfolders/applications/redhat-spreadsheet.desktop >>> >>> ln -s >>> /usr/share/desktop-menu-patches/redhat-web.desktop >>> /home/user1/.gnome2/vfolders/applications/redhat-web.desktop >>> >>> ln -s >>> /usr/share/desktop-menu-patches/redhat-word-processor.desktop >>> /home/user1/.gnome2/vfolders/applications/redhat-word- >>> processor.desktop >>> >>> >>> in case you may not be knowing the name of the menu/submenu as to >>> which you want to exclude, as the actual name may be different to >>> the what you are getting in the menu e.g. >>> >>> in the main menu under "internet" menu you will see "Mozilla Web >>> Browser" while in applications directory(that you created) you wont >>> find any thing, even containing this name(Mozilla) so the way out is >>> just hover your curser on that menu and see what is the "comment" it >>> is showing to you as in this example, when you hover the curser over >>> "Mozilla Web Browser" you will get "Browse the internet" >>> message/comment so just do >>> >>> [root at localhost applications]# grep "Browse the Internet" * >>> this will give you >>> >>> redhat-web.desktop:Comment=Browse the Internet >>> >>> so you have to exclude "redhat-web.desktop" >>> >>> similarly can search and include/exclude others!! >>> >>> So far i hope this will help atleast one person in this world !! >>> well i am not a programmer and XML is a black box for me so no help >>> in this matter, i am just a linux enthusiast!! >>> >>> Bimal Pandit >>> >>> >>> >>> NOTE:- >>> >>> pls mail me in case someone need further help and if i can i will!! >>> >>> here are my email id's :- bimalp at indoasian.com, >>> hello_bee at rediffmail.com, hello_bee at indiatimes.com >>> >>> >>> other useful link >>> http://gnome.org/learn/ >>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> --- >>> >>> HOW ACTUALLY I FOUND THIS AND COPIED AND EDITED THESE !! >>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> [root at cluster01 vfolders]# locate Office.directory >>> >>> /usr/share/desktop-menu-files/Office.directory >>> /usr/share/gnome/vfolders/Office.directory >>> >>> [root at cluster01 vfolders]# cp >>> /usr/share/desktop-menu-files/Office.directory >>> /usr/share/desktop-menu-files/MediaPlayer.directory >>> >>> [root at cluster01 vfolders]# vi >>> /usr/share/desktop-menu-files/MediaPlayer.directory >>> >>> [root at cluster01 vfolders]# cp >>> /usr/share/desktop-menu-files/MediaPlayer.directory >>> /usr/share/gnome/vfolders/ >>> ===================================================================== >>> ============================= >>> >>> [root at cluster01 applications]# vi mediaplayer.desktop >>> >>> [Desktop Entry] >>> Name=Media Player >>> Encoding=UTF-8 >>> Comment=play your audio files >>> Exec=/usr/bin/xmms >>> Terminal=0 >>> Type=Application >>> Icon=gnome-audio2.png >>> Categories=Application;Network;X-Red-Hat-Extras; >>> >>> >>> [root at cluster01 applications]# cd .. >>> >>> [root at cluster01 applications]# vi applications.vfolder-info >>> >>> >>> >>> MediaPlayer >>> MediaPlayer.directory >>> mediaplayer.desktop >>> >>> >>> >>> [root at cluster01 applications]# vi >>> /usr/share/desktop-menu-files/MediaPlayer.directory >>> >>> [Desktop Entry] >>> Name=MediaPlayer >>> Comment=Play your Audiio files >>> Icon=gnome-audio2.png >>> Type=Directory >>> >>> >>> [root at cluster01 applications]# cp >>> /usr/share/desktop-menu-files/MediaPlayer.directory >>> /usr/share/gnome/vfolders/ >>> >>> NOTE:- ACTUALLY ALL THE ICONS ARE LOCATED AT >>> "/user/share/pixmaps/*.png" SO YOU NEED TO CHOOSE YOUR ICON AND JUST >>> PUT ITS NAME, FOR SHORTCUT JUST CLICK RIGHT BUTTON OF YOUR MOUSE ON >>> DESKTOP AREA AND SELECT "new launcher" THEN CLICK ON "no icon" THIS >>> WILL GIVE A LIST OF ALL ICONS WITH THEIR PICTURES!! >>> >>> ===================================================================== >>> ============================= >>> >>> FIRST MOVE TO "vfolders" DIRECTORY AND EDIT THIS >>> >>> [root at cluster01 vfolders]# vi applications.vfolder-info >>> >>> >>> >>> Internet >>> Internet.directory >>> mozilla-mail-client.desktop >>> redhat-web.desktop >>> redhat-gnomemeeting.desktop >>> >>> >>> X-Red-Hat-Base >>> Application >>> Network >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> [root at cluster01 vfolders]# cd applications >>> >>> [root at cluster01 applications]# vi mozilla-mail-client.desktop >>> >>> [Desktop Entry] >>> Name=Mozill Mail >>> Encoding=UTF-8 >>> Comment=mozilla mail client >>> Exec=/usr/bin/mozilla -mail >>> Terminal=0 >>> Type=Application >>> Icon=gnome-balsa2.png >>> Categories=Application;Network;X-Red-Hat-Extras; >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> --- >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see > > -- > http://www.redeemer.qld.edu.au/ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From petre at maltzen.net Thu Oct 28 14:20:57 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 09:20:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Definitive guide to editing gnome menus? In-Reply-To: <0E58506C-28E8-11D9-A390-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> References: <417E38B6.1090704@redeemer.qld.edu.au> <1098795270.14150.1.camel@ltsp1a003.ltsp1a> <417F4C76.4000000@redeemer.qld.edu.au> <0E58506C-28E8-11D9-A390-000A95D9C522@pcc.com> Message-ID: <41810049.3010402@maltzen.net> Searching google, I came up with this: http://www.wse.jhu.edu/newtnotes/main_file.php/sysadmin/55/ The author mentions using the default-modules.conf.with-menu-editing file; there is no such file on my RH8/K12ltsp 3.0.1 system, but there is on my FC1/K12ltsp 4.0.1 system. But I agree: I don't know whether to blame RH or the Gnome folks, but the fact that there isn't an easily accessible (by root only, perhaps) simple method for modifying the menus is ridiculous. HTH Petre Lewis Holcroft wrote: > Debbie, > > I spent a great deal of time trying to solve the same problem. So I'm > hoping to see the solution also. In the end I switched to IceWM. Which > I like a great deal for its ease of use. > > Lewis > > On Oct 27, 2004, at 3:21 AM, Debbie Schiel wrote: > >> Hi Bimal, and thanks for your tips. I gave them a go (step by step, >> no errors produced) but they have had no effect. >> You say that it works for redhat linux 9.0 with gnome2. >> I am using Fedora Core 2 with whatever came as default with k12ltsp >> 4.1.0 - is that the same as your setup? If it is then I must be doing >> something wrong and I will try it again, otherwise it means that this >> method doesn't work with K12ltsp 4.1.0. >> >> Thanks again, >> >> Debbie >> >> bimal pandit wrote: >> >>> try the attached file's method, i did this and is working perfectly!! >>> bimal >>> On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 17:14, Debbie Schiel wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> Does anyone have *the* guide to editing the 'start menu'? >>>> >>>> I'm using the k12ltsp 4.1.0 install (Fedora Core 2) and the default >>>> out-of-the-box session (gnome??). >>>> >>>> I have tried the methods described on the Gnome.org/learn site, and >>>> followed suggestions from previous posts in k12osn, without luck. I >>>> have somehow been able to *add* to the menu - but they're >>>> duplicates of what is already there... I don't want to delete the >>>> apps, just make them unavailable to groups/users. >>>> >>>> Going on my past experiences, I reckon I would probably get there >>>> in the end, but tips and advice could make my 'journey' a lot >>>> shorter. (They're also very encouraging!) >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Debbie >>>> >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> --- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> /usr/share/applications >>>> >>>> >>>> /etc/X11/applnk >>>> /usr/share/gnome/apps >>>> /usr/share/applnk >>>> >>>> >>>> /usr/share/control-center-2.0/capplets/ >>>> /usr/share/gnome/capplets/ >>>> >>>> /usr/share/desktop-menu-files >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Applications >>>> Applications.directory >>>> gnome-search-tool.desktop >>>> gnome-network-scheme.desktop >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Core >>>> >>>> Merged >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Internet >>>> Internet.directory >>>> redhat-web.desktop >>>> net-gaim.desktop >>>> redhat-gnomemeeting.desktop >>>> >>>> >>>> X-Red-Hat-Base >>>> Application >>>> Network >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> MediaPlayer >>>> MediaPlayer.directory >>>> mediaplayer.desktop >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Office >>>> Office.directory >>>> redhat-drawing.desktop >>>> redhat-diagrams.desktop >>>> redhat-math.desktop >>>> openoffice-printeradmin.desktop >>>> codefactory-mrproject.desktop >>>> >>>> >>>> X-Red-Hat-Base >>>> Application >>>> >>>> Office >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Other >>>> Other.directory >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Application >>>> >>>> >>>> Settings >>>> X-Red-Hat-Base-Only >>>> X-Red-Hat-Base >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> --- >>>> >>>> This is the customization process for a user "user1" in gnome >>>> environment >>>> >>>> i took help from "http://www.bluethingy.com/linux/rh8menu.html" >>>> site a lot of thanks to >>>> mknepher at bluethingy.com(in fact his name was not there!!) >>>> >>>> i am using redhat linux 9.0 with gnome2 >>>> >>>> Why? >>>> ---- >>>> In fact i had installed LTSP server and wanted that the gnome >>>> desktop should be customized per user, as i searched the net and >>>> got a few valuable links(like above) which helped me to get my >>>> work done, so i thought to give back "The NET Community" so that >>>> they can get releif while doing the same task. >>>> >>>> >>>> How I did This? >>>> --------------- >>>> >>>> [root at localhost root]# useradd user1 >>>> >>>> [root at localhost root]# passwd ****** >>>> < do confirmation > >>>> >>>> [root at localhost root]# cd /home/user1/.gnome2 >>>> >>>> NOTE:- IN CASE YOU DON'T GET THIS DIRECTORY DON'T GET PANICKED, AS >>>> THIS MEANS YOU DID'NT LOGGED IN AS THIS USER SO JUST LOGIN AS THIS >>>> USER(user1) ONCE AND THIS AND OTHER DIRECTORIES WILL GET CREATED >>>> AUTOMATICALLY!! >>>> >>>> [root at localhost .gnome2]# mkdir -p vfolders/applications >>>> >>>> [root at localhost .gnome2]# cd vfolders >>>> >>>> [root at localhost vfolders]# cp >>>> /etc/X11/desktop-menus/applications.menu applications.vfolder-info >>>> >>>> NOTE:- this is "applications.vfolder-info" and NOT >>>> "applications.vfolders-info" >>>> [root at localhost vfolders]# cd applications >>>> >>>> [root at localhost applications]# cp >>>> /usr/share/applications/*.desktop . >>>> >>>> NOTE:- i.e copy "/usr/share/applications/*.desktop" in >>>> this(applications) directory >>>> >>>> [root at localhost applications]# cd .. >>>> >>>> [root at localhost vfolders]# vi applications.vfolder-info >>>> >>>> AND EDIT AS PER YOUR REQUIREMENT!! >>>> >>>> HERE I AM GIVING MY CUSTOMIZED ENTRIES WHICH REDUCED THE DESKTOP >>>> MENU TO A GREAT EXTANT!! >>>> >>>> CONTENTS OF "applications.vfolder-info" >>>> >>>> ************************* YOU CAN CUT AND PASTE BELOW GIVEN ENTRIES >>>> ****************************** >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> /usr/share/applications >>>> >>>> >>>> /etc/X11/applnk >>>> /usr/share/gnome/apps >>>> /usr/share/applnk >>>> >>>> >>>> /usr/share/control-center-2.0/capplets/ >>>> /usr/share/gnome/capplets/ >>>> >>>> /usr/share/desktop-menu-files >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Applications >>>> Applications.directory >>>> gnome-search-tool.desktop >>>> gnome-network-scheme.desktop >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Core >>>> >>>> Merged >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Internet >>>> Internet.directory >>>> redhat-web.desktop >>>> net-gaim.desktop >>>> redhat-gnomemeeting.desktop >>>> >>>> >>>> X-Red-Hat-Base >>>> Application >>>> Network >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Office >>>> Office.directory >>>> redhat-drawing.desktop >>>> redhat-diagrams.desktop >>>> redhat-math.desktop >>>> openoffice-printeradmin.desktop >>>> codefactory-mrproject.desktop >>>> >>>> >>>> X-Red-Hat-Base >>>> Application >>>> >>>> Office >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Graphics >>>> Graphics.directory >>>> net-xpdf.desktop >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Other >>>> Other.directory >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Application >>>> >>>> >>>> Settings >>>> X-Red-Hat-Base-Only >>>> X-Red-Hat-Base >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ************************** YOU CAN CUT AND PASTE ABOVE ENTRIES >>>> ******************************* >>>> >>>> one should also remember that there may be some link file(s) (of >>>> additionally installed packages) , so you need to create that link >>>> accordingly as i did :- >>>> >>>> ln -s /usr/share/desktop-menu-patches/redhat-drawing.desktop >>>> /home/user1/.gnome2/vfolders/applications/redhat-drawing.desktop >>>> >>>> ln -s >>>> /usr/share/desktop-menu-patches/redhat-email.desktop >>>> /home/user1/.gnome2/vfolders/applications/redhat-email.desktop >>>> >>>> ln -s >>>> /usr/share/desktop-menu-patches/redhat-math.desktop >>>> /home/user1/.gnome2/vfolders/applications/redhat-math.desktop >>>> >>>> ln -s >>>> /usr/share/desktop-menu-patches/redhat-presentations.desktop >>>> /home/user1/.gnome2/vfolders/applications/redhat- presentations.desktop >>>> >>>> ln -s >>>> /usr/share/desktop-menu-patches/redhat-spreadsheet.desktop >>>> /home/user1/.gnome2/vfolders/applications/redhat-spreadsheet.desktop >>>> >>>> ln -s >>>> /usr/share/desktop-menu-patches/redhat-web.desktop >>>> /home/user1/.gnome2/vfolders/applications/redhat-web.desktop >>>> >>>> ln -s >>>> /usr/share/desktop-menu-patches/redhat-word-processor.desktop >>>> /home/user1/.gnome2/vfolders/applications/redhat-word- >>>> processor.desktop >>>> >>>> >>>> in case you may not be knowing the name of the menu/submenu as to >>>> which you want to exclude, as the actual name may be different to >>>> the what you are getting in the menu e.g. >>>> >>>> in the main menu under "internet" menu you will see "Mozilla Web >>>> Browser" while in applications directory(that you created) you wont >>>> find any thing, even containing this name(Mozilla) so the way out >>>> is just hover your curser on that menu and see what is the >>>> "comment" it is showing to you as in this example, when you hover >>>> the curser over "Mozilla Web Browser" you will get "Browse the >>>> internet" message/comment so just do >>>> >>>> [root at localhost applications]# grep "Browse the Internet" * >>>> this will give you >>>> >>>> redhat-web.desktop:Comment=Browse the Internet >>>> >>>> so you have to exclude "redhat-web.desktop" >>>> >>>> similarly can search and include/exclude others!! >>>> >>>> So far i hope this will help atleast one person in this world !! >>>> well i am not a programmer and XML is a black box for me so no help >>>> in this matter, i am just a linux enthusiast!! >>>> >>>> Bimal Pandit >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> NOTE:- >>>> >>>> pls mail me in case someone need further help and if i can i will!! >>>> >>>> here are my email id's :- bimalp at indoasian.com, >>>> hello_bee at rediffmail.com, hello_bee at indiatimes.com >>>> >>>> >>>> other useful link >>>> http://gnome.org/learn/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> --- >>>> >>>> HOW ACTUALLY I FOUND THIS AND COPIED AND EDITED THESE !! >>>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> [root at cluster01 vfolders]# locate Office.directory >>>> >>>> /usr/share/desktop-menu-files/Office.directory >>>> /usr/share/gnome/vfolders/Office.directory >>>> >>>> [root at cluster01 vfolders]# cp >>>> /usr/share/desktop-menu-files/Office.directory >>>> /usr/share/desktop-menu-files/MediaPlayer.directory >>>> >>>> [root at cluster01 vfolders]# vi >>>> /usr/share/desktop-menu-files/MediaPlayer.directory >>>> >>>> [root at cluster01 vfolders]# cp >>>> /usr/share/desktop-menu-files/MediaPlayer.directory >>>> /usr/share/gnome/vfolders/ >>>> ===================================================================== >>>> ============================= >>>> >>>> [root at cluster01 applications]# vi mediaplayer.desktop >>>> >>>> [Desktop Entry] >>>> Name=Media Player >>>> Encoding=UTF-8 >>>> Comment=play your audio files >>>> Exec=/usr/bin/xmms >>>> Terminal=0 >>>> Type=Application >>>> Icon=gnome-audio2.png >>>> Categories=Application;Network;X-Red-Hat-Extras; >>>> >>>> >>>> [root at cluster01 applications]# cd .. >>>> >>>> [root at cluster01 applications]# vi applications.vfolder-info >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> MediaPlayer >>>> MediaPlayer.directory >>>> mediaplayer.desktop >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> [root at cluster01 applications]# vi >>>> /usr/share/desktop-menu-files/MediaPlayer.directory >>>> >>>> [Desktop Entry] >>>> Name=MediaPlayer >>>> Comment=Play your Audiio files >>>> Icon=gnome-audio2.png >>>> Type=Directory >>>> >>>> >>>> [root at cluster01 applications]# cp >>>> /usr/share/desktop-menu-files/MediaPlayer.directory >>>> /usr/share/gnome/vfolders/ >>>> >>>> NOTE:- ACTUALLY ALL THE ICONS ARE LOCATED AT >>>> "/user/share/pixmaps/*.png" SO YOU NEED TO CHOOSE YOUR ICON AND >>>> JUST PUT ITS NAME, FOR SHORTCUT JUST CLICK RIGHT BUTTON OF YOUR >>>> MOUSE ON DESKTOP AREA AND SELECT "new launcher" THEN CLICK ON "no >>>> icon" THIS WILL GIVE A LIST OF ALL ICONS WITH THEIR PICTURES!! >>>> >>>> ===================================================================== >>>> ============================= >>>> >>>> FIRST MOVE TO "vfolders" DIRECTORY AND EDIT THIS >>>> >>>> [root at cluster01 vfolders]# vi applications.vfolder-info >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Internet >>>> Internet.directory >>>> mozilla-mail-client.desktop >>>> redhat-web.desktop >>>> redhat-gnomemeeting.desktop >>>> >>>> >>>> X-Red-Hat-Base >>>> Application >>>> Network >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> [root at cluster01 vfolders]# cd applications >>>> >>>> [root at cluster01 applications]# vi mozilla-mail-client.desktop >>>> >>>> [Desktop Entry] >>>> Name=Mozill Mail >>>> Encoding=UTF-8 >>>> Comment=mozilla mail client >>>> Exec=/usr/bin/mozilla -mail >>>> Terminal=0 >>>> Type=Application >>>> Icon=gnome-balsa2.png >>>> Categories=Application;Network;X-Red-Hat-Extras; >>>> >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> --- >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> For more info see >> >> >> -- >> http://www.redeemer.qld.edu.au/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From watersjenusa2002 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 28 18:04:36 2004 From: watersjenusa2002 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Waters) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 11:04:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Apache Message-ID: <20041028180436.79504.qmail@web52002.mail.yahoo.com> I tried typing the IP address for the webpage name and it would not come up. I pinged the server from the windows box and it connected. I then looked at the /var/log/httpd/error_log and it did not see the request from the windows machine. Any other suggestions you might have? Thank you for your help. Jennifer __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From petre at maltzen.net Thu Oct 28 18:31:31 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 13:31:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Apache In-Reply-To: <20041028180436.79504.qmail@web52002.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041028180436.79504.qmail@web52002.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <41813B03.2090205@maltzen.net> From the windows box, try telneting to port 80 on the Apache box, like so: C:\> telnet 192.168.0.56 80 (Be sure to substitute the correct address for your Apache server, but keep the 80 part). You may or get something like this: Trying 192.168.0.56... Connected to 192.168.0.56. Escape character is '^]'. or you may get nothing. In either case, try this next: get index.html You should see a bunch of HTML code scroll by. If all that works, then something is screwy with IE (see Tom Ventresco's message). If the above things don't work, then you've got some sort of networking problem between the boxes--but that seems unlikely at this point since you can ping the web server from the clients. Petre Jennifer Waters wrote: > I tried typing the IP address for the webpage name and > it would not come up. I pinged the server from the > windows box and it connected. I then looked at the > /var/log/httpd/error_log and it did not see the > request from the windows machine. Any other > suggestions you might have? > > Thank you for your help. > > Jennifer > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From pvdw at criticalcontrol.com Thu Oct 28 18:47:59 2004 From: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com (Pete) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 12:47:59 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Definitive guide to editing gnome menus? In-Reply-To: <417F4C76.4000000@redeemer.qld.edu.au> References: <417E38B6.1090704@redeemer.qld.edu.au> <1098795270.14150.1.camel@ltsp1a003.ltsp1a> <417F4C76.4000000@redeemer.qld.edu.au> Message-ID: <41813EDF.2030303@criticalcontrol.com> Debbie Schiel wrote: > Hi Bimal, and thanks for your tips. I gave them a go (step by step, no > errors produced) but they have had no effect. > You say that it works for redhat linux 9.0 with gnome2. > I am using Fedora Core 2 with whatever came as default with k12ltsp > 4.1.0 - is that the same as your setup? If it is then I must be doing > something wrong and I will try it again, otherwise it means that this > method doesn't work with K12ltsp 4.1.0. > > Thanks again, > > Debbie AFAIK gnome menu editing is broke in gnome 2.6 (2.4 LTSP 4.0 works I did it!) I tried the same with gnome 2.6 but NO joy :-( I ended up by giving everybody the same restricted menu except when they belong to 'root' group. The 'stupid' but effective thing I did... making the .desktop files NOT readable by others .desktop files can be found in /usr/share/applications (and other dir.) Pete From linuxsys at davisny.edu Thu Oct 28 18:49:27 2004 From: linuxsys at davisny.edu (Calvin Park) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 14:49:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Recommended Server for 25 terminals on K12LTSP 4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1098989367.14106.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Wayne, quite a few others have already responded to your question, but I'll go ahead and throw my two cents in... We currently have a lab with 20 machines in it. Primarily the lab is used for word procession (OO.o) and web browsing (Firefox) as well as some instant messaging (GAIM). Here's our configuration: AMD Athlon 2800 2 Gigs RAM 30 GB HDD 2 100Mbps NICs In about two months we'll be upgrading the HDD to 80GB on a RAID. At anyrate...normally not all 20 machines are in use at a time. But one evening we had about 17 in active use (12 of these had OO.o, several instances of Firefox, and one instance of GAIM running. The other 5 were running only Firefox and GAIM). Everything went fine and the SWAP wasn't touched, even with the relatively heavy usage. Keep in mind though not all 17 people logged in at the same time. However, we had no problems when anyone tried to run an application. No complaints at all. -Calvin On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 14:28 -0500, Wayne Fulton wrote: > We are looking into setting up a K12LTSP lab with 25 > workstations. What type of server minimal specs (memory, hard > drive, scsi or ide, processor) do you recommend? > > Thanks! > Wayne > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From cwt137 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 28 20:27:33 2004 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 13:27:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Anyone using Compaq Deskpro 5133 In-Reply-To: <20040927175929.jsmith@breakthroughministries.com.12> Message-ID: <20041028202733.78219.qmail@web12108.mail.yahoo.com> Hi all, I have a whole bunch of Compaq Deskpro 5133 xl boxes. They do not use the tlan chipset. (I am not at the lab right now but,) I think they use one of the amd chipsets that also act as a SCSI controller. I got them to work with etherboot. The trick is that you have to click the configure button on rom-o-matic.com and then select CONFIG_PCI_DIRECT option because the 5133 have a messed up pci bus/bios implementation. Chris --- "John A. Smith" wrote: > I actually got the tlan driver to work with a > Deskpro 2000, but not with the 5133s. I think I need > at least 100 mbps, however, so I'm trying different > cards. Thanks for the work though! > > -john > > ----- Original Message ----- > Timothy Legge wrote: > > On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 15:57, Jim Wildman wrote: > > > On Wed, 27 Oct 2004, John A. Smith wrote: > > > > > > > Did you use the onboard nic? What driver > worked with it and was it only capable of 10 mbps? > > > > I think it's a tlan:netflex3, but haven't > gotten it to work yet. > > > > > > > > > > I (and others I know) have had lots of headaches > with tlan cards. My > > > advice would be to grab some used Intel cards at > your local retailer and > > > disable the onboard nic. > > > > Hi > > > > I wrote the etherboot driver for the tlan about a > year ago. To the best > > of my knowledge it works fine (on all three pci > nics I have as well as > > several reports from other people). > > > > It is likely that many people were unable to use > the tlan prior to this > > and just installed a different pci nic. > > > > If you have issues with the tlan, I am will to try > to resolve it. > > Contact me directly or through the etherboot-users > list. > > > > Tim > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > John A. Smith > Director of Administration > Breakthrough Urban Ministries > 5243 N. Ashland Ave. > Chicago, IL 60640-2001 > PH: 773.989.4382, x230 > FAX: 773.989.7329 > http://www.breakthroughministries.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dalen at czexan.net Thu Oct 28 20:28:51 2004 From: dalen at czexan.net (Dale Sykora) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 15:28:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] client boot logging Message-ID: <41815683.2020104@czexan.net> Do the thin client boot messages get logged anywhere? I looked in /var/log/ on the server(4.1.1), but could not find anything. If not, is there a configuration setting that I can change to enable logging? I want to compare logs between 2 clients to help debug problems. Thanks, Dale From bear2bar at netscape.net Thu Oct 28 20:33:11 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 16:33:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Off-topic Ultrasparc in K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <4180F426.3040406@maltzen.net> References: <417FF3CB.9080704@netscape.net> <4180F426.3040406@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <41815787.5020605@netscape.net> petre at maltzen.net wrote: > Sun boxes, by default, listen for XDMCP requests; it's part of their > "the network is the computer" philosophy, in that they make it so you > can log into any machine on the network no matter which machine you > sit down in front of (assuming the machines are all Suns). In the > case of your LTSP clients, they already had the kernel and X loaded, > so when your LTSP server went down, they just rebroadcast for another > server to connect to, similar to when a user logs out of the client > and X resets and then gets the login screen for the LTSP server. I > suspect that any clients that weren't already booted would not come up > in this situation because there was no server to provide a kernel, etc. > > You may have had 20 workstations at a login screen, but how many were > then actually logged in and running apps? A UltraSparc 1 would give > you OpenWindows and perhaps Common Desktop Environment (CDE) for > choices of desktops, both of which consume a lot less memory than KDE > or Gnome; I suspect CDE consumes more than IceWM, but OpenWindows will > beat them all in consuming the least amount of resources--it's also > the most barebones environment. Try logging in on a bunch of the > clients and run a few apps; I suspect it will keep up for a bit, but > soon will start swapping. > > Petre > > norbert wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I've had something strange occur while trying to use an Ultrasparc 1 >> with Solaris 9 as a workstation. I was having some networking >> problems with the cable-modem, so I shut down my ltsp server but as I >> did the thin-clients logged into the Sparc. I don't quite understand >> why since I'm not running NFS shares nor DHCP on the Ultrasparc. >> >> Anyone with more Solaris knowledge that can enlighten me will be >> greatly apppreciate. Strange thing is that this is a 167Mhz >> UltraSparc processor with 256 MB of memory and it had 20 Workstations >> logged in. Whereas my main server is a P-IV 2.8 Ghz with 2 GB memory >> for the same number of clients and the Sparc seems to be faster !!! >> >> thks >> norbert >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see Hi Petre, Thanks for the expanation, yes the default was OpenWindows but I was suprised that 20 stations could log in never mind run applications !!! regards norbert From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Thu Oct 28 19:23:25 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 14:23:25 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] RH9 K12LTSP default Filesystem Message-ID: What was the default filesystem type when you manually partitioned while setting up K12LTSP/RH9? Thanks. . . Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! From chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us Thu Oct 28 20:58:53 2004 From: chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us (Chris Hobbs) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 13:58:53 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] rdesktop question In-Reply-To: <417FDB8D.10708@inlandlakes.org> References: <417E8124.2090109@inlandlakes.org> <417FDB8D.10708@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <41815D8D.5090706@silvervalley.k12.ca.us> Shawn Powers wrote: > BTW, Chris -- in your script, the argument $@, does that pass ALL the > flags to the actual program? I have written wrapper scripts in the > past, and had to do something like "program $1 $2 $3 $4 $5 $6" to make > sure I got all the options passed... if indeed $@ passes all the > arguments, that's easier! That is correct. According to $* works as well. -- Chris Hobbs Silver Valley Unified School District Head geek: Technology Services Coordinator webmaster: http://www.silvervalley.k12.ca.us/~chobbs/ postmaster: chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us pgp: http://www.silvervalley.k12.ca.us/~chobbs/key.asc From jsmith at breakthroughministries.com Thu Oct 28 22:42:09 2004 From: jsmith at breakthroughministries.com (John A. Smith) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 17:42:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Anyone using Compaq Deskpro 5133 In-Reply-To: <20041028202733.78219.qmail@web12108.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041028202733.78219.qmail@web12108.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040928174209.jsmith@breakthroughministries.com.12> Well I finally did get the onboard nic working on the compaq 5133. It wasn't a tlan after all but the pcnet32:lancepci etherboot floppy from rom-o-matic, configured with the CONFIG_PCI_DIRECT option. Now, however, I have a different problem. When it gets to "Doing the pivot_root" the client hangs and says "nfs server 192.168.0.254 not responding, still trying." This message goes away and everything continues to load perfectly if I disconnect the client from the switch and reconnect a crossover cable from the nic to the server. Once X is started on the client and I log in, I can reconnect the client and server to the switch and run apps just fine. Anyone else run across this? -john smith ----- Original Message ----- Chris Thomas wrote: > Hi all, > > I have a whole bunch of Compaq Deskpro 5133 xl boxes. > They do not use the tlan chipset. (I am not at the lab > right now but,) I think they use one of the amd > chipsets that also act as a SCSI controller. I got > them to work with etherboot. The trick is that you > have to click the configure button on rom-o-matic.com > and then select CONFIG_PCI_DIRECT option because the > 5133 have a messed up pci bus/bios implementation. > > Chris > > --- "John A. Smith" > wrote: > > > I actually got the tlan driver to work with a > > Deskpro 2000, but not with the 5133s. I think I need > > at least 100 mbps, however, so I'm trying different > > cards. Thanks for the work though! > > > > -john > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > Timothy Legge wrote: > > > On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 15:57, Jim Wildman wrote: > > > > On Wed, 27 Oct 2004, John A. Smith wrote: > > > > > > > > > Did you use the onboard nic? What driver > > worked with it and was it only capable of 10 mbps? > > > > > I think it's a tlan:netflex3, but haven't > > gotten it to work yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I (and others I know) have had lots of headaches > > with tlan cards. My > > > > advice would be to grab some used Intel cards at > > your local retailer and > > > > disable the onboard nic. > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > I wrote the etherboot driver for the tlan about a > > year ago. To the best > > > of my knowledge it works fine (on all three pci > > nics I have as well as > > > several reports from other people). > > > > > > It is likely that many people were unable to use > > the tlan prior to this > > > and just installed a different pci nic. > > > > > > If you have issues with the tlan, I am will to try > > to resolve it. > > > Contact me directly or through the etherboot-users > > list. > > > > > > Tim > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > John A. Smith > > Director of Administration > > Breakthrough Urban Ministries > > 5243 N. Ashland Ave. > > Chicago, IL 60640-2001 > > PH: 773.989.4382, x230 > > FAX: 773.989.7329 > > http://www.breakthroughministries.com > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- John A. Smith Director of Administration Breakthrough Urban Ministries 5243 N. Ashland Ave. Chicago, IL 60640-2001 PH: 773.989.4382, x230 FAX: 773.989.7329 http://www.breakthroughministries.com From tlegge at rogers.com Thu Oct 28 22:44:39 2004 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:44:39 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Anyone using Compaq Deskpro 5133 In-Reply-To: <20041028202733.78219.qmail@web12108.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041028202733.78219.qmail@web12108.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1099003478.13225.26.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 17:27, Chris Thomas wrote: > Hi all, > > I have a whole bunch of Compaq Deskpro 5133 xl boxes. > They do not use the tlan chipset. (I am not at the lab > right now but,) I think they use one of the amd > chipsets that also act as a SCSI controller. I got > them to work with etherboot. The trick is that you > have to click the configure button on rom-o-matic.com > and then select CONFIG_PCI_DIRECT option because the > 5133 have a messed up pci bus/bios implementation. Do they use the lance or pcnet32 driver? Tim From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Oct 29 01:40:22 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:40:22 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] RH9 K12LTSP default Filesystem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41819F86.9090601@cmosnetworks.com> Doug Simpson wrote: >What was the default filesystem type when you manually partitioned while >setting up K12LTSP/RH9? > >Thanks. . . > >Doug Simpson >Technology Specialist >DeQueen Public Schools >DeQueen, AR 71832 >simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >Tux for President! > > The default on all Red Hat / Fedora releases since RHL 7.2 is ext3. --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From dalen at czexan.net Fri Oct 29 03:19:30 2004 From: dalen at czexan.net (dale) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 22:19:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] client boot logging In-Reply-To: <41815683.2020104@czexan.net> References: <41815683.2020104@czexan.net> Message-ID: <4181B6C2.6010103@czexan.net> Dale Sykora wrote: > Do the thin client boot messages get logged anywhere? I looked in > /var/log/ on the server(4.1.1), but could not find anything. If not, is > there a configuration setting that I can change to enable logging? I > want to compare logs between 2 clients to help debug problems. > > Thanks, > > Dale Answering my own post, I found the documentation at http://ltsp.org/documentation/ltsp-4.1/ltsp-4.1-1-en.pdf contained the info I needed or pointed me in the right direction. Thanks for the great documentation Jim! Thanks, Dale From bimalp at indoasian.com Fri Oct 29 09:19:55 2004 From: bimalp at indoasian.com (bimal pandit) Date: 29 Oct 2004 14:49:55 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] RH9 K12LTSP default Filesystem In-Reply-To: <41819F86.9090601@cmosnetworks.com> References: <41819F86.9090601@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <1099041595.7465.6.camel@ltsp1a003.ltsp1a> use "mount" command will tell you!! bimal On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 07:10, "Terrell Prud?, Jr." wrote: > Doug Simpson wrote: > > >What was the default filesystem type when you manually partitioned while > >setting up K12LTSP/RH9? > > > >Thanks. . . > > > >Doug Simpson > >Technology Specialist > >DeQueen Public Schools > >DeQueen, AR 71832 > >simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > >Tux for President! > > > > > > The default on all Red Hat / Fedora releases since RHL 7.2 is ext3. > > --TP > _____________________ > Do you GNU!? > Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it > out! > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From pfaffman at gmail.com Fri Oct 29 12:16:23 2004 From: pfaffman at gmail.com (Jay Pfaffman) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 13:16:23 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] not turning on DHCP by default Message-ID: <93260980041029051627d5b318@mail.gmail.com> I've been managing networks and Linux for 10 years. Twice in the past 3 months I've set up a new K12LTSP box and inadvertently had the wrong Ethernet port plugged in to the network and brought down the building's network (OK, not the whole network, just anyone who requested a new IP number via DHCP). Am I the only dope? I recognize the importance of having things just work after the install, but perhaps there's some way to provide some protection. I know I'll never make this mistake again, but I said that last time. -- Jay Pfaffman Asst Professor of Instructional Technology, U. TN, Knoxville Experimenting with gmail, please honor the Reply-To From bimalp at indoasian.com Fri Oct 29 11:54:41 2004 From: bimalp at indoasian.com (bimal pandit) Date: 29 Oct 2004 17:24:41 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Broadcast message Message-ID: <1099050881.13842.3.camel@ltsp1a003.ltsp1a> Hello list, I am running rh9 with ltsp 3 and have gnome, now what i want is to broadcat a message to all terminals(users) logged in at that time, how can i acheive this?? i have tried xmessage,wall but... any idea?? bimal From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Oct 29 12:52:03 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 08:52:03 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Broadcast message In-Reply-To: <1099050881.13842.3.camel@ltsp1a003.ltsp1a> References: <1099050881.13842.3.camel@ltsp1a003.ltsp1a> Message-ID: Ok....I think it's time we find a way to do this and incorporate it as a feature in something like TeacherTool. It has been brought up way too many times. This is a feature in Windows Terminal Server 2003 and should be in K12ltsp as well if we can figure it out. Any ideas? What it needs.... A GUI interface to type in the message. A "winpopup" style message that pops to the top (front) of the desired users desktop and a nice feature would be the ability to kill or cancel the message by the admin...or perhaps a timed feature "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, October 29, 2004 at 7:54 AM +0000 wrote: >Hello list, > >I am running rh9 with ltsp 3 and have gnome, now what i want is to >broadcat a message to all terminals(users) logged in at that time, how >can i acheive this?? > >i have tried xmessage,wall but... David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Oct 29 12:52:03 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 08:52:03 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Broadcast message In-Reply-To: <1099050881.13842.3.camel@ltsp1a003.ltsp1a> References: <1099050881.13842.3.camel@ltsp1a003.ltsp1a> Message-ID: Ok....I think it's time we find a way to do this and incorporate it as a feature in something like TeacherTool. It has been brought up way too many times. This is a feature in Windows Terminal Server 2003 and should be in K12ltsp as well if we can figure it out. Any ideas? What it needs.... A GUI interface to type in the message. A "winpopup" style message that pops to the top (front) of the desired users desktop and a nice feature would be the ability to kill or cancel the message by the admin...or perhaps a timed feature "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, October 29, 2004 at 7:54 AM +0000 wrote: >Hello list, > >I am running rh9 with ltsp 3 and have gnome, now what i want is to >broadcat a message to all terminals(users) logged in at that time, how >can i acheive this?? > >i have tried xmessage,wall but... David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From bear2bar at netscape.net Fri Oct 29 13:12:27 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 09:12:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Selective floppy access Message-ID: <418241BB.80605@netscape.net> Hi, We're starting to encounter a problem with the floppyd function. Recently, without there being any changes to the system cedrtain thin-client cannot access the local floppy drive. Message is permission denied, but when I check both the lts.conf and the workstation permissions these are no different from the other workstation that can access the local floppy....... any suggestions K12LTSP V4.0.1 Server P-IV 2.8GHz, 2GB, 2x 80GB SATA HD Workstations - Compaq P-I mix of 5175 to 5166 NIC 3-Com 905 and no its not a certain box but a mix of ws's..... ? thks norbert From petre at maltzen.net Fri Oct 29 13:28:40 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 08:28:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] client boot logging In-Reply-To: <4181B6C2.6010103@czexan.net> References: <41815683.2020104@czexan.net> <4181B6C2.6010103@czexan.net> Message-ID: <41824588.7060607@maltzen.net> So, is there a log file for the client boot messages? You said you found the answer, but didn't say what that answer was. Petre dale wrote: > Dale Sykora wrote: > >> Do the thin client boot messages get logged anywhere? I looked in >> /var/log/ on the server(4.1.1), but could not find anything. If not, >> is there a configuration setting that I can change to enable logging? >> I want to compare logs between 2 clients to help debug problems. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Dale > > Answering my own post, I found the documentation at > http://ltsp.org/documentation/ltsp-4.1/ltsp-4.1-1-en.pdf contained the > info I needed or pointed me in the right direction. Thanks for the > great documentation Jim! > > Thanks, > > Dale > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org Fri Oct 29 13:54:19 2004 From: aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org (aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 06:54:19 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Has anyone here heard of SafeDesk ? Message-ID: <3816198908.1099032859@[10.2.57.127]> Hi, I am investigating doing some business with SafeDesk. They claim to offer a highly modified LTSP install. Has anyone here ever heard of these guys ? Thanks, Tom Ventresco From luis.montes at cox.net Fri Oct 29 14:32:08 2004 From: luis.montes at cox.net (Luis Montes) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 07:32:08 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Broadcast message In-Reply-To: References: <1099050881.13842.3.camel@ltsp1a003.ltsp1a> Message-ID: <41825468.6000108@cox.net> This can be done using xmessage. Since it is part of XFree86, we don't have to worry about which window manager is being used. One thing I'm not sure about are permission settings with xauth. It also need to have the DISPLAY environmental variable temporarily set to the display you wish the message to pop up on. Luis David Trask wrote: >Ok....I think it's time we find a way to do this and incorporate it as a >feature in something like TeacherTool. It has been brought up way too >many times. This is a feature in Windows Terminal Server 2003 and should >be in K12ltsp as well if we can figure it out. Any ideas? > >What it needs.... > >A GUI interface to type in the message. > >A "winpopup" style message that pops to the top (front) of the desired >users desktop > >and a nice feature would be the ability to kill or cancel the message by >the admin...or perhaps a timed feature > >"Support list for opensource software in schools." on >Friday, October 29, 2004 at 7:54 AM +0000 wrote: > > >>Hello list, >> >>I am running rh9 with ltsp 3 and have gnome, now what i want is to >>broadcat a message to all terminals(users) logged in at that time, how >>can i acheive this?? >> >>i have tried xmessage,wall but... >> >> > > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >(207)923-3100 > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From dalen at czexan.net Fri Oct 29 14:15:39 2004 From: dalen at czexan.net (dale) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 09:15:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] client boot logging In-Reply-To: <41824588.7060607@maltzen.net> References: <41815683.2020104@czexan.net> <4181B6C2.6010103@czexan.net> <41824588.7060607@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <4182508B.2030604@czexan.net> Petre Scheie wrote: > So, is there a log file for the client boot messages? You said you > found the answer, but didn't say what that answer was. > > Petre Petre, It appears you can specify a logging server, but I haven't tried yet. I also found that you can enable a bash login prompt on the client and look at issues via that prompt. I haven't tried it yet, but it seems a step in the right direction. Thanks, Dale From glessard at coll-outao.qc.ca Fri Oct 29 13:45:31 2004 From: glessard at coll-outao.qc.ca (Guy Lessard) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 09:45:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] not turning on DHCP by default In-Reply-To: <93260980041029051627d5b318@mail.gmail.com> References: <93260980041029051627d5b318@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4182497B.3080506@coll-outao.qc.ca> Jay Pfaffman wrote: >I've been managing networks and Linux for 10 years. Twice in the past >3 months I've set up a new K12LTSP box and inadvertently had the wrong >Ethernet port plugged in to the network and brought down the >building's network (OK, not the whole network, just anyone who >requested a new IP number via DHCP). > >Am I the only dope? I recognize the importance of having things just >work after the install, but perhaps there's some way to provide some >protection. I know I'll never make this mistake again, but I said >that last time. > > Here is what i do, before i stick in the nic's i write the last 4 digits of the mac address with a felt pen near the RJ-45 connector. Once K12ltsp installed, i check the mac-ethx correspondance and write on the nic's eth whatever. From aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org Fri Oct 29 14:33:37 2004 From: aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org (aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 07:33:37 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Apache OT XAMPP Message-ID: <3818556798.1099035217@localhost> > Jennifer Waters wrote: >> I tried typing the IP address for the webpage name and >> it would not come up. I pinged the server from the >> windows box and it connected. I then looked at the >> /var/log/httpd/error_log and it did not see the >> request from the windows machine. Any other >> suggestions you might have? Hi Jennifer, What version of apache and OS ? I don't think your apache error_log will show a ping...that is another service on the web server that makes a ping reply occur. You can stop apache and the server will still reply to a ping request. Surely try Petre's idea...that tells you a bunch if successful. Where are you again in your trouble shooting ? Telnet or ssh to your server and at the shell open $>lynx http://ip.of.your.server (enter) "q" quits Does the text only web page come up ? Also same idea - $>lynx http://ip.of.your.server/fakefile.html look for a fake file you know does not exist... Now check your error_log for apache. You should see a DATE [client 24.239.83.18] File does not exist: /webserverroot/location/fakefile.html All this will tell you that Apache is running and taking requests. Port number. Errors are logging. Maybe your default server and 1st virtual server are messed up. The adding http:// in IE did not help ? Strange ? ;( Tom Ventresco OT Should be another post - - FYI for the group. I have been using www.apachetoolbox.com ATB for a while. A nice easy script that compiles a bunch of mods for Apache along with PHP and MySQL Apache 1.3.31. I am in the middle of testing the Apache pack called XAMPP at http://www.apachefriends.org/en/xampp.html Apache2 with all the bells and whistles. Very successful so far. Try it out, if you are looking for LAMP. Strange install if you have used rpm or "tar/make/make install" to install. Just untar it in /opt/lampp and go. Make sure you know where all your helper apps are like Perl and ftp server are located... I was very skeptical. XAMPP gives you a full LAMP nicely PRE-configured. TV From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Oct 29 15:00:55 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:00:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Broadcast message In-Reply-To: <41825468.6000108@cox.net> References: <1099050881.13842.3.camel@ltsp1a003.ltsp1a> < > <41825468.6000108@cox.net> Message-ID: Ok...I've never played with xmessage until now....I just tried it, but xmessage -Hi There! only shows up on my onw desktop.....how do I broadcast to all or at least to a chosen user? "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, October 29, 2004 at 10:32 AM +0000 wrote: >This can be done using xmessage. Since it is part of XFree86, we don't >have to worry about which window manager is being used. > >One thing I'm not sure about are permission settings with xauth. It also >need to have the DISPLAY environmental variable temporarily set to the >display you wish the message to pop up on. > >Luis > > >David Trask wrote: > >>Ok....I think it's time we find a way to do this and incorporate it as a >>feature in something like TeacherTool. It has been brought up way too >>many times. This is a feature in Windows Terminal Server 2003 and should >>be in K12ltsp as well if we can figure it out. Any ideas? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From haysja at sages.us Fri Oct 29 15:15:23 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 10:15:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Broadcast message In-Reply-To: References: <1099050881.13842.3.camel@ltsp1a003.ltsp1a> < > <41825468.6000108@cox.net> Message-ID: <41825E8B.4010104@sages.us> Here is an article on scripting with xmessage. I will try to dive into this when I get some time. David Trask wrote: >Ok...I've never played with xmessage until now....I just tried it, but >xmessage -Hi There! only shows up on my onw desktop.....how do I >broadcast to all or at least to a chosen user? > >"Support list for opensource software in schools." on >Friday, October 29, 2004 at 10:32 AM +0000 wrote: > > >>This can be done using xmessage. Since it is part of XFree86, we don't >>have to worry about which window manager is being used. >> >>One thing I'm not sure about are permission settings with xauth. It also >>need to have the DISPLAY environmental variable temporarily set to the >>display you wish the message to pop up on. >> >>Luis >> >> >>David Trask wrote: >> >> >> >>>Ok....I think it's time we find a way to do this and incorporate it as a >>>feature in something like TeacherTool. It has been brought up way too >>>many times. This is a feature in Windows Terminal Server 2003 and should >>>be in K12ltsp as well if we can figure it out. Any ideas? >>> >>> > > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >(207)923-3100 > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From petre at maltzen.net Fri Oct 29 15:21:44 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 10:21:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Broadcast message In-Reply-To: References: <1099050881.13842.3.camel@ltsp1a003.ltsp1a> < > <41825468.6000108@cox.net> Message-ID: <41826008.9060408@maltzen.net> I, too, was playing with xmessage, on Luis's suggestion, and came up with this quick & dirty script (which I'll call brmsg for discussion purposes): #!/bin/bash # brmsg: Send a broadcast message to all terminal screens for x in `seq 1 30` do xmessage -center -timeout 10 -display 192.168.0.${x}:0.0 "$@" & done One would then call brmsg this way at a command prompt from the server: brmsg Please logout now or you may be expelled The message will pop up on the client for 10 seconds and then disappear. It needs some refinement: For the seq range, it would be better to get a list of clients where someone is actually logged in so it doesn't waste time sending messages to irrelevant workstations; using 'who -T' and piping it to awk would be one way to get such a list. And, as David suggested, and graphical version of this would be nicer; perhaps I'll try something in perl/tk this weekend (no gaurantees, I've got a ton of leaves to rake). One requirement is that the client workstation must be configured to accept such messages, which in my server-and-one-client K12LSTP ver 3.0.1 here in my cube, the clients are not. This can be fixed by adding xhost +192.168.0.254 to every user's ~/.profile. This will allow such messages to be sent from the server, but not from other clients which could be a nightmare, e.g. clever students with too much time on their hands. Hopefully this is a start. Petre David Trask wrote: > Ok...I've never played with xmessage until now....I just tried it, but > xmessage -Hi There! only shows up on my onw desktop.....how do I > broadcast to all or at least to a chosen user? > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Friday, October 29, 2004 at 10:32 AM +0000 wrote: > >>This can be done using xmessage. Since it is part of XFree86, we don't >>have to worry about which window manager is being used. >> >>One thing I'm not sure about are permission settings with xauth. It also >>need to have the DISPLAY environmental variable temporarily set to the >>display you wish the message to pop up on. >> >>Luis >> >> >>David Trask wrote: >> >> >>>Ok....I think it's time we find a way to do this and incorporate it as a >>>feature in something like TeacherTool. It has been brought up way too >>>many times. This is a feature in Windows Terminal Server 2003 and should >>>be in K12ltsp as well if we can figure it out. Any ideas? > > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Oct 29 15:33:13 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 08:33:13 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Broadcast message In-Reply-To: <1099050881.13842.3.camel@ltsp1a003.ltsp1a> References: <1099050881.13842.3.camel@ltsp1a003.ltsp1a> Message-ID: <418262B9.2080205@paasda.org> maybe one of these can help? http://linpopup2.sourceforge.net/ http://www.henschelsoft.de/kpopup.html --Huck bimal pandit wrote: >Hello list, > >I am running rh9 with ltsp 3 and have gnome, now what i want is to >broadcat a message to all terminals(users) logged in at that time, how >can i acheive this?? > >i have tried xmessage,wall but... > >any idea?? > >bimal > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From ckjohnson at gwi.net Fri Oct 29 15:47:41 2004 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:47:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Broadcast message In-Reply-To: <41826008.9060408@maltzen.net> References: <1099050881.13842.3.camel@ltsp1a003.ltsp1a> < > <41825468.6000108@cox.net> <41826008.9060408@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <4182661D.9090501@gwi.net> Petre Scheie wrote: > One requirement is that the client workstation must be configured to > accept such messages, which in my server-and-one-client K12LSTP ver > 3.0.1 here in my cube, the clients are not. This can be fixed by adding > > xhost +192.168.0.254 > > to every user's ~/.profile. This will allow such messages to be sent > from the server, but not from other clients which could be a > nightmare, e.g. clever students with too much time on their hands. Unfortunately a clever student would not be burdened by limiting authorization to the server, because every command the student executes does run on the server, unless provisions are made otherwise by using ssh, etc. -- ----------------------------------------------------------- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 From penguintiz at yahoo.com Fri Oct 29 15:50:48 2004 From: penguintiz at yahoo.com (David Tisdell) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 08:50:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Shockwave and Wine or crossover odffice In-Reply-To: <20041028224234.A4D9273173@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20041029155049.45894.qmail@web41907.mail.yahoo.com> Hi all, I have a teacher that wants to use an educational site that requires shockwave and there is no Linux plugin for shockwave. Anyone use a web browser through Wine so that the shockwave plugin will work? Are there any other creative ways to get shockwave to work? Is crossover office the way to go? It supports the shockwave plugin. Anyone license crossover office for ltsp. Do you have to pay by server or number of users? Thanks. Dave __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From scdslinuslist at shoreschool.org Fri Oct 29 15:54:12 2004 From: scdslinuslist at shoreschool.org (Linux Listserv) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:54:12 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] rdesktop as a separate screen Message-ID: Help? I'm trying to get the "SCREEN_04" rdesktop thing to work and having some trouble. We're running LTSP v4.0 with just a few clients and all the Linux stuff works fine. But, now I'm trying to take one of this machines and set it to also be a Windows 2000 Terminal Services client on a separate screen without having to log in to an LTSP account. In other words, I want it to press Shift-Ctrl-F4 and get a login screen for the Windows Terminal server. I uncommented the SCREEN_04 = rdesktop lines in the lts.conf (actually in the section set aside for one client via MAC address): SCREEN_01 = startx and set SCREEN_04 = rdesktop RDP_Server = 172.16.4.9 (the IP address of my W2K TS machine) RDP_OPTIONS = -f -d shoreschool.org When I press Shift-Ctrl-F4 I get a black screen that says "Press to Login". When I press I immediately get an error message that says Fatal Server error Server is already active for display 0 If this server is no longer running remove /tmp/.X0_lock and start again. If I change SCREEN_01 from startx to rdesktop and comment out SCREEN_04, on boot up I get the black screen with the "Press to Login" and pressing Enter brings me to the Win2KTS login screen. Any idea what I'm doing wrong? Christopher Butler Director of Technology Shore Country Day School Beverly, MA 01915 cbutler at shoreschool.org From haysja at sages.us Fri Oct 29 15:55:39 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 10:55:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Broadcast message In-Reply-To: <41826008.9060408@maltzen.net> References: <1099050881.13842.3.camel@ltsp1a003.ltsp1a> < > <41825468.6000108@cox.net> <41826008.9060408@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <418267FB.7060801@sages.us> This is a good start. Could you call this from XDialog? Petre Scheie wrote: > I, too, was playing with xmessage, on Luis's suggestion, and came up > with this quick & dirty script (which I'll call brmsg for discussion > purposes): > > #!/bin/bash > > # brmsg: Send a broadcast message to all terminal screens > > > for x in `seq 1 30` > do > xmessage -center -timeout 10 -display 192.168.0.${x}:0.0 "$@" & > done > > > One would then call brmsg this way at a command prompt from the server: > > brmsg Please logout now or you may be expelled > > The message will pop up on the client for 10 seconds and then > disappear. It needs some refinement: For the seq range, it would be > better to get a list of clients where someone is actually logged in so > it doesn't waste time sending messages to irrelevant workstations; > using 'who -T' and piping it to awk would be one way to get such a > list. And, as David suggested, and graphical version of this would be > nicer; perhaps I'll try something in perl/tk this weekend (no > gaurantees, I've got a ton of leaves to rake). > > One requirement is that the client workstation must be configured to > accept such messages, which in my server-and-one-client K12LSTP ver > 3.0.1 here in my cube, the clients are not. This can be fixed by adding > > xhost +192.168.0.254 > > to every user's ~/.profile. This will allow such messages to be sent > from the server, but not from other clients which could be a > nightmare, e.g. clever students with too much time on their hands. > > Hopefully this is a start. > > Petre > > David Trask wrote: > >> Ok...I've never played with xmessage until now....I just tried it, >> but xmessage -Hi There! only shows up on my onw desktop.....how do I >> broadcast to all or at least to a chosen user? >> >> "Support list for opensource software in schools." >> on >> Friday, October 29, 2004 at 10:32 AM +0000 wrote: >> >>> This can be done using xmessage. Since it is part of XFree86, we >>> don't have to worry about which window manager is being used. >>> >>> One thing I'm not sure about are permission settings with xauth. It >>> also need to have the DISPLAY environmental variable temporarily set >>> to the display you wish the message to pop up on. >>> >>> Luis >>> >>> >>> David Trask wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Ok....I think it's time we find a way to do this and incorporate it >>>> as a >>>> feature in something like TeacherTool. It has been brought up way too >>>> many times. This is a feature in Windows Terminal Server 2003 and >>>> should >>>> be in K12ltsp as well if we can figure it out. Any ideas? >>> >> >> >> >> David N. Trask >> Technology Teacher/Coordinator >> Vassalboro Community School >> dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >> (207)923-3100 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From linuxsys at davisny.edu Fri Oct 29 16:00:51 2004 From: linuxsys at davisny.edu (Calvin Park) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 12:00:51 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Broadcast message In-Reply-To: <418262B9.2080205@paasda.org> References: <1099050881.13842.3.camel@ltsp1a003.ltsp1a> <418262B9.2080205@paasda.org> Message-ID: <1099065651.15969.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> We have develed into this several times. Here is a message in which explained how we send messages to all terminals in X several times. https://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2004-September/msg00656.html The problem is we use KDE. Someone mentioned that kwrited is still usable under Gnome, but it doesn't start by default. Perhaps someone could do some footwork on that? Of course, actually developing a tool to do this would help some people who are a bit detered by the command line. -Calvin On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 08:33 -0700, Huck wrote: > maybe one of these can help? > > http://linpopup2.sourceforge.net/ > http://www.henschelsoft.de/kpopup.html > > --Huck > > > > bimal pandit wrote: > > >Hello list, > > > >I am running rh9 with ltsp 3 and have gnome, now what i want is to > >broadcat a message to all terminals(users) logged in at that time, how > >can i acheive this?? > > > >i have tried xmessage,wall but... > > > >any idea?? > > > >bimal > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jsmith at breakthroughministries.com Fri Oct 29 16:28:57 2004 From: jsmith at breakthroughministries.com (John A. Smith) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:28:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] nfs loads through crossover not through switch Message-ID: <20040929112857.jsmith@breakthroughministries.com.12> Sorry for the repost . . . but thought this needed a new thread Well I finally did get the onboard nic working on the compaq 5133. It wasn't a tlan after all but the pcnet32:lancepci etherboot floppy from rom-o-matic, configured with the CONFIG_PCI_DIRECT option. Now, however, I have a different problem. When it gets to "Doing the pivot_root" the client hangs and says "nfs server 192.168.0.254 not responding, still trying." This message goes away and everything continues to load perfectly if I disconnect the client from the switch and reconnect a crossover cable from the nic to the server. Once X is started on the client and I log in, I can reconnect the client and server to the switch and run apps just fine. Anyone else run across this? -john smith -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- John A. Smith Director of Administration Breakthrough Urban Ministries 5243 N. Ashland Ave. Chicago, IL 60640-2001 PH: 773.989.4382, x230 FAX: 773.989.7329 http://www.breakthroughministries.com From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Oct 29 16:53:27 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 12:53:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Broadcast message In-Reply-To: <41826008.9060408@maltzen.net> References: <1099050881.13842.3.camel@ltsp1a003.ltsp1a> < > < > < > < > <41825468.6000108@cox.net> < > <41826008.9060408@maltzen.net> Message-ID: Ok....this python script is put together from an earlier suggestion (in March) from Doanld Ellerich I think..... ################################### from os import system from sys import argv hosts = open('clients.txt').readlines() if len(argv) < 2: argv.append("This is a broadcast message. Just in case something unexpected happens, save your work.") for host in hosts: system("xmessage -display %s:0 -center %s &" % (host.strip(), argv[1])) ############################# I called it amesg.py To execute it run python amesg.py "Your message here" You'll need to create a text file called clients.txt and enter the host names in it example: ws224 ws345 ws123 ++++++++++++++++ Now for my issue....I have a host file with MANY entries due to the fact that my DHCP server is serving a huge range of addresses that I have seperated out for different things...anyway....my idea....how can we poll the server for the currently logged in workstations and then "cat" the result to "clients.txt" prior to broadcast? Any ideas? If you can write it into the script above or into the one Petre wrote earlier today. "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, October 29, 2004 at 11:21 AM +0000 wrote: >I, too, was playing with xmessage, on Luis's suggestion, and came up with >this >quick & dirty script (which I'll call brmsg for discussion purposes): > >#!/bin/bash > ># brmsg: Send a broadcast message to all terminal screens > > >for x in `seq 1 30` >do >xmessage -center -timeout 10 -display 192.168.0.${x}:0.0 "$@" & >done > > >One would then call brmsg this way at a command prompt from the server: > >brmsg Please logout now or you may be expelled > >The message will pop up on the client for 10 seconds and then disappear. >It >needs some refinement: For the seq range, it would be better to get a >list of >clients where someone is actually logged in so it doesn't waste time >sending >messages to irrelevant workstations; using 'who -T' and piping it to awk >would >be one way to get such a list. And, as David suggested, and graphical >version >of this would be nicer; perhaps I'll try something in perl/tk this >weekend (no >gaurantees, I've got a ton of leaves to rake). > >One requirement is that the client workstation must be configured to >accept such >messages, which in my server-and-one-client K12LSTP ver 3.0.1 here in my >cube, >the clients are not. This can be fixed by adding > >xhost +192.168.0.254 > >to every user's ~/.profile. This will allow such messages to be sent >from the >server, but not from other clients which could be a nightmare, e.g. >clever >students with too much time on their hands. > >Hopefully this is a start. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Oct 29 17:12:28 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 10:12:28 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Broadcast message In-Reply-To: References: <1099050881.13842.3.camel@ltsp1a003.ltsp1a> < > < > < > < > <41825468.6000108@cox.net> < > <41826008.9060408@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <418279FC.3040100@paasda.org> Dave, Jeff Kinz shot me this over for something else.. I don't know how you'd incorporate it...but I'm sure it has some of what you're looking for Here is quick hack script that looks for ws hostnames and counts up usage minutes: #!/bin/bash last | egrep "ws[0-9][0-9]*:0" | egrep "^ws" | awk '{print $10}' | sed -e 's/[(:)]/ /g' | awk '{cnt=cnt+1; tmin=(tmin + ($1 * 60 )); tmin=(tmin + $2 ); printf("Sessions: %d, Average length %6.2f minutes, Total minutes served %d.\n", cnt,(tmin/cnt),tmin);}' I think those 'egrep' comments are what you're looking for? --Huck David Trask wrote: >Ok....this python script is put together from an earlier suggestion (in >March) from Doanld Ellerich I think..... >################################### > >from os import system >from sys import argv > >hosts = open('clients.txt').readlines() > >if len(argv) < 2: > argv.append("This is a broadcast message. Just in case something >unexpected happens, save your work.") > >for host in hosts: > system("xmessage -display %s:0 -center %s &" % >(host.strip(), argv[1])) > >############################# > >I called it amesg.py > >To execute it run > >python amesg.py "Your message here" > > >You'll need to create a text file called clients.txt and enter the host >names in it > >example: > >ws224 >ws345 >ws123 > >++++++++++++++++ > >Now for my issue....I have a host file with MANY entries due to the fact >that my DHCP server is serving a huge range of addresses that I have >seperated out for different things...anyway....my idea....how can we poll >the server for the currently logged in workstations and then "cat" the >result to "clients.txt" prior to broadcast? Any ideas? If you can write >it into the script above or into the one Petre wrote earlier today. > >"Support list for opensource software in schools." on >Friday, October 29, 2004 at 11:21 AM +0000 wrote: > > >>I, too, was playing with xmessage, on Luis's suggestion, and came up with >>this >>quick & dirty script (which I'll call brmsg for discussion purposes): >> >>#!/bin/bash >> >># brmsg: Send a broadcast message to all terminal screens >> >> >>for x in `seq 1 30` >>do >>xmessage -center -timeout 10 -display 192.168.0.${x}:0.0 "$@" & >>done >> >> >>One would then call brmsg this way at a command prompt from the server: >> >>brmsg Please logout now or you may be expelled >> >>The message will pop up on the client for 10 seconds and then disappear. >>It >>needs some refinement: For the seq range, it would be better to get a >>list of >>clients where someone is actually logged in so it doesn't waste time >>sending >>messages to irrelevant workstations; using 'who -T' and piping it to awk >>would >>be one way to get such a list. And, as David suggested, and graphical >>version >>of this would be nicer; perhaps I'll try something in perl/tk this >>weekend (no >>gaurantees, I've got a ton of leaves to rake). >> >>One requirement is that the client workstation must be configured to >>accept such >>messages, which in my server-and-one-client K12LSTP ver 3.0.1 here in my >>cube, >>the clients are not. This can be fixed by adding >> >>xhost +192.168.0.254 >> >>to every user's ~/.profile. This will allow such messages to be sent >> >> >>from the > > >>server, but not from other clients which could be a nightmare, e.g. >>clever >>students with too much time on their hands. >> >>Hopefully this is a start. >> >> > > > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >(207)923-3100 > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Fri Oct 29 17:11:52 2004 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 13:11:52 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Shockwave and Wine or crossover odffice Message-ID: <1099069912.8969.15.camel@discovery.media.local> Dave, I use crossover office. Licensing is pretty flexible.. as in I decided on an average number of users who will be using CXoffice at one time (20 for now), and so that's how many licenses I get... so it is based on the number of current users, NOT total Possible (Like MS Office, etc). Hope this helps! Henry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jam at mcquil.com Fri Oct 29 17:13:02 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 13:13:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] rdesktop as a separate screen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Christopher, the rdesktop screen script in LTSP-4.0 has a bug that prevents it from working. But, it's been fixed in LTSP-4.1. It might be possible to grab that script from 4.1 and install it on your 4.0 system, but you might just want to upgrade to LTSP-4.1 and have all the goods. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Fri, 29 Oct 2004, Linux Listserv wrote: > > Help? > > I'm trying to get the "SCREEN_04" rdesktop thing to work and having some > trouble. We're running LTSP v4.0 with just a few clients and all the > Linux stuff works fine. > > But, now I'm trying to take one of this machines and set it to also be a > Windows 2000 Terminal Services client on a separate screen without having > to log in to an LTSP account. In other words, I want it to press > Shift-Ctrl-F4 and get a login screen for the Windows Terminal server. > > I uncommented the SCREEN_04 = rdesktop lines in the lts.conf (actually in > the section set aside for one client via MAC address): > > SCREEN_01 = startx > and set > SCREEN_04 = rdesktop > RDP_Server = 172.16.4.9 (the IP address of my W2K TS machine) > RDP_OPTIONS = -f -d shoreschool.org > > When I press Shift-Ctrl-F4 I get a black screen that says "Press > to Login". When I press I immediately get an error message that > says > Fatal Server error > Server is already active for display 0 > If this server is no longer running remove /tmp/.X0_lock and start > again. > > If I change SCREEN_01 from startx to rdesktop and comment out SCREEN_04, > on boot up I get the black screen with the "Press to Login" and > pressing Enter brings me to the Win2KTS login screen. > > Any idea what I'm doing wrong? > > Christopher Butler > Director of Technology > Shore Country Day School > Beverly, MA 01915 > cbutler at shoreschool.org > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Fri Oct 29 17:25:30 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 12:25:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Broadcast message In-Reply-To: References: <1099050881.13842.3.camel@ltsp1a003.ltsp1a> < > < > < > < > <41825468.6000108@cox.net> < > <41826008.9060408@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <41827D0A.7020706@maltzen.net> How about this: who -T|awk 'NF == 7 {print $7}'|sed 's/^(//'|sed 's/)$//' Should give you a list of client workstations that have someone logged in. Petre David Trask wrote: > Ok....this python script is put together from an earlier suggestion (in > March) from Doanld Ellerich I think..... > ################################### > > from os import system > from sys import argv > > hosts = open('clients.txt').readlines() > > if len(argv) < 2: > argv.append("This is a broadcast message. Just in case something > unexpected happens, save your work.") > > for host in hosts: > system("xmessage -display %s:0 -center %s &" % > (host.strip(), argv[1])) > > ############################# > > I called it amesg.py > > To execute it run > > python amesg.py "Your message here" > > > You'll need to create a text file called clients.txt and enter the host > names in it > > example: > > ws224 > ws345 > ws123 > > ++++++++++++++++ > > Now for my issue....I have a host file with MANY entries due to the fact > that my DHCP server is serving a huge range of addresses that I have > seperated out for different things...anyway....my idea....how can we poll > the server for the currently logged in workstations and then "cat" the > result to "clients.txt" prior to broadcast? Any ideas? If you can write > it into the script above or into the one Petre wrote earlier today. > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Friday, October 29, 2004 at 11:21 AM +0000 wrote: > >>I, too, was playing with xmessage, on Luis's suggestion, and came up with >>this >>quick & dirty script (which I'll call brmsg for discussion purposes): >> >>#!/bin/bash >> >># brmsg: Send a broadcast message to all terminal screens >> >> >>for x in `seq 1 30` >>do >>xmessage -center -timeout 10 -display 192.168.0.${x}:0.0 "$@" & >>done >> >> >>One would then call brmsg this way at a command prompt from the server: >> >>brmsg Please logout now or you may be expelled >> >>The message will pop up on the client for 10 seconds and then disappear. >>It >>needs some refinement: For the seq range, it would be better to get a >>list of >>clients where someone is actually logged in so it doesn't waste time >>sending >>messages to irrelevant workstations; using 'who -T' and piping it to awk >>would >>be one way to get such a list. And, as David suggested, and graphical >>version >>of this would be nicer; perhaps I'll try something in perl/tk this >>weekend (no >>gaurantees, I've got a ton of leaves to rake). >> >>One requirement is that the client workstation must be configured to >>accept such >>messages, which in my server-and-one-client K12LSTP ver 3.0.1 here in my >>cube, >>the clients are not. This can be fixed by adding >> >>xhost +192.168.0.254 >> >>to every user's ~/.profile. This will allow such messages to be sent > >>from the > >>server, but not from other clients which could be a nightmare, e.g. >>clever >>students with too much time on their hands. >> >>Hopefully this is a start. > > > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From tuxnician at execulink.com Fri Oct 29 17:37:44 2004 From: tuxnician at execulink.com (Tuxnician) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 13:37:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Shockwave and Wine or crossover odffice In-Reply-To: <20041029155049.45894.qmail@web41907.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041029155049.45894.qmail@web41907.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <41827FE8.70206@execulink.com> I found this site: http://liewcf.com/wp/archives/2004/07/install-shockwave-player-for-standalone-firefox/ David Tisdell wrote: > Hi all, > I have a teacher that wants to use an educational site > that requires shockwave and there is no Linux plugin > for shockwave. > Anyone use a web browser through Wine so that the > shockwave plugin will work? Are there any other > creative ways to get shockwave to work? Is crossover > office the way to go? It supports the shockwave > plugin. Anyone license crossover office for ltsp. Do > you have to pay by server or number of users? Thanks. > Dave > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Fri Oct 29 18:03:40 2004 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 14:03:40 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Using tar on win98 clients In-Reply-To: References: <1098820309.23970.13.camel@discovery.media.local> Message-ID: <1099073020.8969.64.camel@discovery.media.local> Thank you for the suggestions on imaging/ghosting! I had forgotten completely about parted's resize ability (My version of knoppix lacks parted), so I had just used fdisk. I'm back on track, and got 2 more systems done (and have converted/fixed almost all the images I went through the trouble of creating)! This list is a great resource... both on and off topic. =) Henry Burroughs On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 17:04, Daniel Hogan wrote: > This is what I normally do in Knoppix. I'm assuming that the harddrive is hda. > > On the harddrive you wish to copy from: > > 1. Using QTParted, shrink the size of the partition(s) so that it will > fit on the smaller harddrive. I usually go for anything smaller than > the size of the smallest harddrive. > 2. dd if=/dev/hda of=myimage.mbr bs=512 count=1 > 3. sfdisk -d /dev/hda > myimage.sfdisk > 4. Use partimage to copy the partition(s) from the harddrive. > > On the harddrive wish to copy to (I'm assuming hda on a different computer): > > 1. dd if=myimage.mbr of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 > 2. sfdisk /dev/hda < myimage.sfdisk > 3. Use partimage to write the image to the harddrive. > 4. Use QTParted to resize the partition to whatever size you wish. > 5. Reboot. > > I usually mount a samba share and store the myimage.mbr, > myimage.sfdisk, and the partition image files on it so that I can > easily access it from the other computers. > > Hope this helps. > > On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 15:51:49 -0400, Henry Burroughs > wrote: > > I know this is a bit off topic, but I'm doing the ever necessary task of > > ghosting. I would be using partimage (and I was), except some of the hard > > disks are different sizes (and partimage doesn't support shrinking). I'm > > using a knoppix cd (3.4 i think). > > > > I'm trying tar (trying to keep it simple), and when I restore the image > > onto a fresh drive, it still won't boot properly (I'm even using msdos fdisk > > /mbr to reset the MBR). So the MBR is in place, it just doesn't want to > > load from there. Any suggestions or hints? THanks. > > > > Basically, my requirements are a imaging program (or tar) that handles > > restoring to smaller drives (of course, big enough for the actual data). > > > > I've spent waaaay too much time trying to get this monster to work. > > > > Henry > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jsmith at breakthroughministries.com Fri Oct 29 19:57:50 2004 From: jsmith at breakthroughministries.com (John A. Smith) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 14:57:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] nfs loads through crossover not through switch In-Reply-To: <20040929112857.jsmith@breakthroughministries.com.12> References: <20040929112857.jsmith@breakthroughministries.com.12> Message-ID: <20040929145750.jsmith@breakthroughministries.com.12> I was finally able to get this issue resolved (I think...). I'm not sure which of these changes really made the difference, since I didn't do them one-by-one, but here's what I did: 1) Disabled the onboard AMD nic 2) Threw in a generic tulip nic and went into bios and adjusted the IRQ to 3 (I think it was using 10 or 11 previously, which probably conflicts with something on the server) 3) In /etc/dhcpd.conf I added a section for the workstation and defined option-129 like below (see http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Tecnical:Booting:ISA for further explanation) host ws004 { hardware ethernet 00:A0:24:A3:14:19; option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; option option-129 "NIC=tulip"; } Worked like a charm at the next boot! --john smith ----- Original Message ----- John A. Smith wrote: > Sorry for the repost . . . but thought this needed a new thread > > Well I finally did get the onboard nic working on the compaq 5133. It wasn't a tlan after all but the pcnet32:lancepci etherboot floppy from rom-o-matic, configured with the CONFIG_PCI_DIRECT option. > > Now, however, I have a different problem. When it gets to "Doing the pivot_root" the client hangs and says "nfs server 192.168.0.254 not responding, still trying." This message goes away and everything continues to load perfectly if I disconnect the client from the switch and reconnect a crossover cable from the nic to the server. Once X is started on the client and I log in, I can reconnect the client and server to the switch and run apps just fine. > > Anyone else run across this? > > -john smith > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > John A. Smith > Director of Administration > Breakthrough Urban Ministries > 5243 N. Ashland Ave. > Chicago, IL 60640-2001 > PH: 773.989.4382, x230 > FAX: 773.989.7329 > http://www.breakthroughministries.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Oct 29 23:23:24 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 16:23:24 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Broadcast message In-Reply-To: References: <1099050881.13842.3.camel@ltsp1a003.ltsp1a> < > < > < > < > <41825468.6000108@cox.net> < > <41826008.9060408@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <4182D0EC.4080601@paasda.org> okay none of these worked for me... and I put xhost +192.168.0.254 in my demo account .profile file still no luck...but I'm using IceWM...(default and only option =) my workstations in TeacherTool look like this: ws251.ltsp so... xmessage -display ws251.ltsp:0 -center REBOOT TIME should work? --Huck David Trask wrote: >Ok....this python script is put together from an earlier suggestion (in >March) from Doanld Ellerich I think..... >################################### > >from os import system >from sys import argv > >hosts = open('clients.txt').readlines() > >if len(argv) < 2: > argv.append("This is a broadcast message. Just in case something >unexpected happens, save your work.") > >for host in hosts: > system("xmessage -display %s:0 -center %s &" % >(host.strip(), argv[1])) > >############################# > >I called it amesg.py > >To execute it run > >python amesg.py "Your message here" > > >You'll need to create a text file called clients.txt and enter the host >names in it > >example: > >ws224 >ws345 >ws123 > >++++++++++++++++ > >Now for my issue....I have a host file with MANY entries due to the fact >that my DHCP server is serving a huge range of addresses that I have >seperated out for different things...anyway....my idea....how can we poll >the server for the currently logged in workstations and then "cat" the >result to "clients.txt" prior to broadcast? Any ideas? If you can write >it into the script above or into the one Petre wrote earlier today. > >"Support list for opensource software in schools." on >Friday, October 29, 2004 at 11:21 AM +0000 wrote: > > >>I, too, was playing with xmessage, on Luis's suggestion, and came up with >>this >>quick & dirty script (which I'll call brmsg for discussion purposes): >> >>#!/bin/bash >> >># brmsg: Send a broadcast message to all terminal screens >> >> >>for x in `seq 1 30` >>do >>xmessage -center -timeout 10 -display 192.168.0.${x}:0.0 "$@" & >>done >> >> >>One would then call brmsg this way at a command prompt from the server: >> >>brmsg Please logout now or you may be expelled >> >>The message will pop up on the client for 10 seconds and then disappear. >>It >>needs some refinement: For the seq range, it would be better to get a >>list of >>clients where someone is actually logged in so it doesn't waste time >>sending >>messages to irrelevant workstations; using 'who -T' and piping it to awk >>would >>be one way to get such a list. And, as David suggested, and graphical >>version >>of this would be nicer; perhaps I'll try something in perl/tk this >>weekend (no >>gaurantees, I've got a ton of leaves to rake). >> >>One requirement is that the client workstation must be configured to >>accept such >>messages, which in my server-and-one-client K12LSTP ver 3.0.1 here in my >>cube, >>the clients are not. This can be fixed by adding >> >>xhost +192.168.0.254 >> >>to every user's ~/.profile. This will allow such messages to be sent >> >> >>from the > > >>server, but not from other clients which could be a nightmare, e.g. >>clever >>students with too much time on their hands. >> >>Hopefully this is a start. >> >> > > > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >(207)923-3100 > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Oct 29 23:36:28 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 19:36:28 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] nfs loads through crossover not through switch In-Reply-To: <20040929112857.jsmith@breakthroughministries.com.12> References: <20040929112857.jsmith@breakthroughministries.com.12> Message-ID: <4182D3FC.2050603@cmosnetworks.com> John A. Smith wrote: >Sorry for the repost . . . but thought this needed a new thread > >Well I finally did get the onboard nic working on the compaq 5133. It wasn't a tlan after all but the pcnet32:lancepci etherboot floppy from rom-o-matic, configured with the CONFIG_PCI_DIRECT option. > >Now, however, I have a different problem. When it gets to "Doing the pivot_root" the client hangs and says "nfs server 192.168.0.254 not responding, still trying." This message goes away and everything continues to load perfectly if I disconnect the client from the switch and reconnect a crossover cable from the nic to the server. Once X is started on the client and I log in, I can reconnect the client and server to the switch and run apps just fine. > >Anyone else run across this? > >-john smith > > > What kind of switch are we talking about here? --TP From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Sat Oct 30 00:32:16 2004 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 17:32:16 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] squidGuard working but not as a separate/redirect server...? Message-ID: I set up a separate K12LTSP (4.0.1) server to install squidGuard and Dan's Guardian. I've only installed the squidGuard so far. If I surf from that actual server, setting the proxy settings to "localhost," port 3128, it works just like it should. But when redirect outbound traffic from my main K12LTSP (4.1.1) server to this proxy/filter server, the main K12 server and its clients can only see secure (https) sites. Non-secure sites are denied. Because https uses port 433, I believe that indicates that the port 80 regular traffic is trying to use the proxy/filter server, and the port 433 traffic bypasses that server. So if the proxy/filter server uses squidGuard correctly on a local level, there must be something I am missing when I try to send the port 80 traffic to the proxy/filter server. Anybody know what I've done? My install steps are below... cobbled together from other threads. 1. Download squidGuard from ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/squidGuard/ to proxy/filter server. 2. Install squidGuard package. Dependencies require yum install of "compat-db" 3. Add the following lines to /etc/squid/squidconf redirect_program /usr/sbin/squidGuard -c /etc/squid/squidGuard.conf redirect_children 5 http_port 3128 httpd_accel_host virtual httpd_accel_port 80 httpd_accel_with_proxy on httpd_accel_uses_host_header on 4. Start squid service 5. Run /usr/sbin/update_squidguard_blacklists to update blacklist files 6. Run the following iptable line additions on *main* K12LTSP server: iptables -t nat -A OUTPUT -p tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.1.1:3128 iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.1.1:3128 (chaging the ip address to my proxy/filter servers ip) 7. Restart the network service on *main* server. One additional line for the squid.conf file I hadn't seen before but which is in Michael William's setup instructions for squidGuard and Dan's Guardian is "httpd_accel_single_host off". Would that make a difference? It's not in squidGuard's instructions, or in the mesd instructions... Also, I am assuming that if I wanted to protect 433 traffic, I'd add additional lines on the main servers iptables with those ports? -- Steve Hargadon 916-652-8600 ext. 711 From bear2bar at netscape.net Sat Oct 30 00:51:39 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 20:51:39 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Selective floppy access ??? Message-ID: <4182E59B.8070603@netscape.net> Hi, We're starting to encounter a problem with the floppyd function. Recently, without there being any changes to the system cedrtain thin-client cannot access the local floppy drive. Message is permission denied, but when I check both the lts.conf and the workstation permissions these are no different from the other workstation that can access the local floppy....... any suggestions K12LTSP V4.0.1 Server P-IV 2.8GHz, 2GB, 2x 80GB SATA HD Workstations - Compaq P-I mix of 5175 to 5166 NIC 3-Com 905 and no its not a certain box but a mix of ws's..... ? thks norbert From robark at telus.net Sat Oct 30 01:13:06 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 18:13:06 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Can't launch Firefox Message-ID: <4182EAA2.6070804@telus.net> Installed Firefox to /usr/local/firefox-installer/ when clients try to launch the firefox binary from a terminal they get *** LOADING THE EXTENSIONS DATASOURCE *** LOADING THE EXTENSIONS DATASOURCE this message keeps being displayed in an infinite loop. Does someone know how to solve this? Robert Arkiletian From bill at computassist.com Sat Oct 30 01:20:08 2004 From: bill at computassist.com (Bill Bardon) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 20:20:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Can't launch Firefox In-Reply-To: <4182EAA2.6070804@telus.net> References: <4182EAA2.6070804@telus.net> Message-ID: <20041029202008.65c1953f@heaven> On Friday, Oct 29 Robert Arkiletian wrote: > Installed Firefox to > > /usr/local/firefox-installer/ > > when clients try to launch the firefox binary from a terminal they get > > *** LOADING THE EXTENSIONS DATASOURCE > *** LOADING THE EXTENSIONS DATASOURCE > > this message keeps being displayed in an infinite loop. > > Does someone know how to solve this? Did you perform the very first run of Firefox as root on the server? Firefox on Linux requires this to properly initialize some files. I think you could still login as root, run Firefox, and all would be well after that. If not, uninstall and reinstall, then run as root the first time. -- Bill Bardon From cliebow at downeast.net Sat Oct 30 01:35:34 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 01:35:34 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Selective floppy access ??? Message-ID: <200410300054.i9U0sLK20281@downeast.net> Hey Norbert: just thinking of the taxi home after ltsp dinner in New York.First time id been in a taxi.i did appreciate yor savoir fsire..chuck > Hi, > > We're starting to encounter a problem with the floppyd function. > Recently, without there being any changes to the system cedrtain > thin-client cannot access the local floppy drive. Message is permission > denied, but when I check both the lts.conf and the workstation > permissions these are no different from the other workstation that can > access the local floppy....... any suggestions > K12LTSP V4.0.1 > Server P-IV 2.8GHz, 2GB, 2x 80GB SATA HD > Workstations - Compaq P-I mix of 5175 to 5166 > NIC 3-Com 905 > > and no its not a certain box but a mix of ws's..... ? > > thks > norbert > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From bimalp at indoasian.com Thu Oct 28 12:39:58 2004 From: bimalp at indoasian.com (bimal pandit) Date: 28 Oct 2004 18:09:58 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Definitive guide to editing gnome menus? In-Reply-To: <417F4C76.4000000@redeemer.qld.edu.au> References: <417E38B6.1090704@redeemer.qld.edu.au> <1098795270.14150.1.camel@ltsp1a003.ltsp1a> <417F4C76.4000000@redeemer.qld.edu.au> Message-ID: <1098967197.28225.3.camel@ltsp1a003.ltsp1a> that i am not sure but is working for me perfectly!! On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 12:51, Debbie Schiel wrote: > Hi Bimal, and thanks for your tips. I gave them a go (step by step, no > errors produced) but they have had no effect. > You say that it works for redhat linux 9.0 with gnome2. > I am using Fedora Core 2 with whatever came as default with k12ltsp > 4.1.0 - is that the same as your setup? If it is then I must be doing > something wrong and I will try it again, otherwise it means that this > method doesn't work with K12ltsp 4.1.0. > > Thanks again, > > Debbie > > bimal pandit wrote: > > try the attached file's method, i did this and is working perfectly!! > > > > bimal > > > > On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 17:14, Debbie Schiel wrote: > > > >>Hi all, > >> > >>Does anyone have *the* guide to editing the 'start menu'? > >> > >>I'm using the k12ltsp 4.1.0 install (Fedora Core 2) and the default > >>out-of-the-box session (gnome??). > >> > >>I have tried the methods described on the Gnome.org/learn site, and > >>followed suggestions from previous posts in k12osn, without luck. I have > >>somehow been able to *add* to the menu - but they're duplicates of what > >>is already there... I don't want to delete the apps, just make them > >>unavailable to groups/users. > >> > >>Going on my past experiences, I reckon I would probably get there in the > >>end, but tips and advice could make my 'journey' a lot shorter. (They're > >>also very encouraging!) > >> > >>Thanks, > >> > >>Debbie > >> > >> > >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> /usr/share/applications > >> > >> > >> /etc/X11/applnk > >> /usr/share/gnome/apps > >> /usr/share/applnk > >> > >> > >> /usr/share/control-center-2.0/capplets/ > >> /usr/share/gnome/capplets/ > >> > >> /usr/share/desktop-menu-files > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Applications > >> Applications.directory > >> gnome-search-tool.desktop > >> gnome-network-scheme.desktop > >> > >> > >> > >> Core > >> > >> Merged > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Internet > >> Internet.directory > >> redhat-web.desktop > >> net-gaim.desktop > >> redhat-gnomemeeting.desktop > >> > >> > >> X-Red-Hat-Base > >> Application > >> Network > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> MediaPlayer > >> MediaPlayer.directory > >> mediaplayer.desktop > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Office > >> Office.directory > >> redhat-drawing.desktop > >> redhat-diagrams.desktop > >> redhat-math.desktop > >> openoffice-printeradmin.desktop > >> codefactory-mrproject.desktop > >> > >> > >> X-Red-Hat-Base > >> Application > >> > >> Office > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Other > >> Other.directory > >> > >> > >> > >> Application > >> > >> > >> Settings > >> X-Red-Hat-Base-Only > >> X-Red-Hat-Base > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >>This is the customization process for a user "user1" in gnome environment > >> > >>i took help from "http://www.bluethingy.com/linux/rh8menu.html" site a lot of thanks to > >> > >>mknepher at bluethingy.com(in fact his name was not there!!) > >> > >>i am using redhat linux 9.0 with gnome2 > >> > >>Why? > >>---- > >>In fact i had installed LTSP server and wanted that the gnome desktop should be customized per user, as i searched the net and got a few valuable links(like above) which helped me to get my work done, so i thought to give back "The NET Community" so that they can get releif while doing the same task. > >> > >> > >>How I did This? > >>--------------- > >> > >>[root at localhost root]# useradd user1 > >> > >>[root at localhost root]# passwd ****** > >>< do confirmation > > >> > >>[root at localhost root]# cd /home/user1/.gnome2 > >> > >>NOTE:- IN CASE YOU DON'T GET THIS DIRECTORY DON'T GET PANICKED, AS THIS MEANS YOU DID'NT LOGGED IN AS THIS USER SO JUST LOGIN AS THIS USER(user1) ONCE AND THIS AND OTHER DIRECTORIES WILL GET CREATED AUTOMATICALLY!! > >> > >>[root at localhost .gnome2]# mkdir -p vfolders/applications > >> > >>[root at localhost .gnome2]# cd vfolders > >> > >>[root at localhost vfolders]# cp /etc/X11/desktop-menus/applications.menu applications.vfolder-info > >> > >>NOTE:- this is "applications.vfolder-info" and NOT "applications.vfolders-info" > >> > >>[root at localhost vfolders]# cd applications > >> > >>[root at localhost applications]# cp /usr/share/applications/*.desktop . > >> > >>NOTE:- i.e copy "/usr/share/applications/*.desktop" in this(applications) directory > >> > >>[root at localhost applications]# cd .. > >> > >>[root at localhost vfolders]# vi applications.vfolder-info > >> > >>AND EDIT AS PER YOUR REQUIREMENT!! > >> > >>HERE I AM GIVING MY CUSTOMIZED ENTRIES WHICH REDUCED THE DESKTOP MENU TO A GREAT EXTANT!! > >> > >>CONTENTS OF "applications.vfolder-info" > >> > >>************************* YOU CAN CUT AND PASTE BELOW GIVEN ENTRIES ****************************** > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> /usr/share/applications > >> > >> > >> /etc/X11/applnk > >> /usr/share/gnome/apps > >> /usr/share/applnk > >> > >> > >> /usr/share/control-center-2.0/capplets/ > >> /usr/share/gnome/capplets/ > >> > >> /usr/share/desktop-menu-files > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Applications > >> Applications.directory > >> gnome-search-tool.desktop > >> gnome-network-scheme.desktop > >> > >> > >> > >> Core > >> > >> Merged > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Internet > >> Internet.directory > >> redhat-web.desktop > >> net-gaim.desktop > >> redhat-gnomemeeting.desktop > >> > >> > >> X-Red-Hat-Base > >> Application > >> Network > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Office > >> Office.directory > >> redhat-drawing.desktop > >> redhat-diagrams.desktop > >> redhat-math.desktop > >> openoffice-printeradmin.desktop > >> codefactory-mrproject.desktop > >> > >> > >> X-Red-Hat-Base > >> Application > >> > >> Office > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Graphics > >> Graphics.directory > >> net-xpdf.desktop > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Other > >> Other.directory > >> > >> > >> > >> Application > >> > >> > >> Settings > >> X-Red-Hat-Base-Only > >> X-Red-Hat-Base > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>************************** YOU CAN CUT AND PASTE ABOVE ENTRIES ******************************* > >> > >>one should also remember that there may be some link file(s) (of additionally installed packages) , so you need to create that link accordingly as i did :- > >> > >>ln -s /usr/share/desktop-menu-patches/redhat-drawing.desktop /home/user1/.gnome2/vfolders/applications/redhat-drawing.desktop > >> > >>ln -s /usr/share/desktop-menu-patches/redhat-email.desktop /home/user1/.gnome2/vfolders/applications/redhat-email.desktop > >>ln -s /usr/share/desktop-menu-patches/redhat-math.desktop /home/user1/.gnome2/vfolders/applications/redhat-math.desktop > >> > >>ln -s /usr/share/desktop-menu-patches/redhat-presentations.desktop /home/user1/.gnome2/vfolders/applications/redhat-presentations.desktop > >> > >>ln -s /usr/share/desktop-menu-patches/redhat-spreadsheet.desktop /home/user1/.gnome2/vfolders/applications/redhat-spreadsheet.desktop > >> > >>ln -s /usr/share/desktop-menu-patches/redhat-web.desktop /home/user1/.gnome2/vfolders/applications/redhat-web.desktop > >> > >>ln -s /usr/share/desktop-menu-patches/redhat-word-processor.desktop /home/user1/.gnome2/vfolders/applications/redhat-word-processor.desktop > >> > >> > >>in case you may not be knowing the name of the menu/submenu as to which you want to exclude, as the actual name may be different to the what you are getting in the menu e.g. > >> > >>in the main menu under "internet" menu you will see "Mozilla Web Browser" while in applications directory(that you created) you wont find any thing, even containing this name(Mozilla) so the way out is just hover your curser on that menu and see what is the "comment" it is showing to you as in this example, when you hover the curser over "Mozilla Web Browser" you will get "Browse the internet" message/comment so just do > >> > >>[root at localhost applications]# grep "Browse the Internet" * > >> > >>this will give you > >> > >>redhat-web.desktop:Comment=Browse the Internet > >> > >>so you have to exclude "redhat-web.desktop" > >> > >>similarly can search and include/exclude others!! > >> > >>So far i hope this will help atleast one person in this world !! > >>well i am not a programmer and XML is a black box for me so no help in this matter, i am just a linux enthusiast!! > >> > >>Bimal Pandit > >> > >> > >> > >>NOTE:- > >> > >>pls mail me in case someone need further help and if i can i will!! > >> > >>here are my email id's :- bimalp at indoasian.com, hello_bee at rediffmail.com, hello_bee at indiatimes.com > >> > >> > >>other useful link > >>http://gnome.org/learn/ > >> > >> > >> > >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >>HOW ACTUALLY I FOUND THIS AND COPIED AND EDITED THESE !! > >>-------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >>[root at cluster01 vfolders]# locate Office.directory > >> > >>/usr/share/desktop-menu-files/Office.directory > >>/usr/share/gnome/vfolders/Office.directory > >> > >>[root at cluster01 vfolders]# cp /usr/share/desktop-menu-files/Office.directory /usr/share/desktop-menu-files/MediaPlayer.directory > >> > >>[root at cluster01 vfolders]# vi /usr/share/desktop-menu-files/MediaPlayer.directory > >> > >>[root at cluster01 vfolders]# cp /usr/share/desktop-menu-files/MediaPlayer.directory /usr/share/gnome/vfolders/ > >> > >>================================================================================================== > >> > >>[root at cluster01 applications]# vi mediaplayer.desktop > >> > >>[Desktop Entry] > >>Name=Media Player > >>Encoding=UTF-8 > >>Comment=play your audio files > >>Exec=/usr/bin/xmms > >>Terminal=0 > >>Type=Application > >>Icon=gnome-audio2.png > >>Categories=Application;Network;X-Red-Hat-Extras; > >> > >> > >>[root at cluster01 applications]# cd .. > >> > >>[root at cluster01 applications]# vi applications.vfolder-info > >> > >> > >> > >> MediaPlayer > >> MediaPlayer.directory > >> mediaplayer.desktop > >> > >> > >> > >>[root at cluster01 applications]# vi /usr/share/desktop-menu-files/MediaPlayer.directory > >> > >>[Desktop Entry] > >>Name=MediaPlayer > >>Comment=Play your Audiio files > >>Icon=gnome-audio2.png > >>Type=Directory > >> > >> > >>[root at cluster01 applications]# cp /usr/share/desktop-menu-files/MediaPlayer.directory /usr/share/gnome/vfolders/ > >> > >>NOTE:- ACTUALLY ALL THE ICONS ARE LOCATED AT "/user/share/pixmaps/*.png" SO YOU NEED TO CHOOSE YOUR ICON AND JUST PUT ITS NAME, FOR SHORTCUT JUST CLICK RIGHT BUTTON OF YOUR MOUSE ON DESKTOP AREA AND SELECT "new launcher" THEN CLICK ON "no icon" THIS WILL GIVE A LIST OF ALL ICONS WITH THEIR PICTURES!! > >> > >>================================================================================================== > >> > >>FIRST MOVE TO "vfolders" DIRECTORY AND EDIT THIS > >> > >>[root at cluster01 vfolders]# vi applications.vfolder-info > >> > >> > >> > >> Internet > >> Internet.directory > >> mozilla-mail-client.desktop > >> redhat-web.desktop > >> redhat-gnomemeeting.desktop > >> > >> > >> X-Red-Hat-Base > >> Application > >> Network > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>[root at cluster01 vfolders]# cd applications > >> > >>[root at cluster01 applications]# vi mozilla-mail-client.desktop > >> > >>[Desktop Entry] > >>Name=Mozill Mail > >>Encoding=UTF-8 > >>Comment=mozilla mail client > >>Exec=/usr/bin/mozilla -mail > >>Terminal=0 > >>Type=Application > >>Icon=gnome-balsa2.png > >>Categories=Application;Network;X-Red-Hat-Extras; > >> > >> > >> > >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>K12OSN mailing list > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>For more info see From pfaffman at gmail.com Sat Oct 30 12:27:00 2004 From: pfaffman at gmail.com (Jay Pfaffman) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 08:27:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] squidGuard working but not as a separate/redirect server...? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9326098004103005272dabeb08@mail.gmail.com> It could be your firewall rules. Do an "iptables -F" and see if that fixes it. If it does you can then go about opening the necessary ports (which I guess is just 3128). On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 17:32:16 -0700, Steve Hargadon wrote: > I set up a separate K12LTSP (4.0.1) server to install squidGuard and > Dan's Guardian. I've only installed the squidGuard so far. If I surf > from that actual server, setting the proxy settings to "localhost," > port 3128, it works just like it should. But when redirect outbound > traffic from my main K12LTSP (4.1.1) server to this proxy/filter > server, the main K12 server and its clients can only see secure > (https) sites. Non-secure sites are denied. Because https uses port > 433, I believe that indicates that the port 80 regular traffic is > trying to use the proxy/filter server, and the port 433 traffic > bypasses that server. > > So if the proxy/filter server uses squidGuard correctly on a local > level, there must be something I am missing when I try to send the > port 80 traffic to the proxy/filter server. > > Anybody know what I've done? My install steps are below... cobbled > together from other threads. > > 1. Download squidGuard from > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/squidGuard/ to proxy/filter server. > 2. Install squidGuard package. Dependencies require yum install of "compat-db" > 3. Add the following lines to /etc/squid/squidconf > redirect_program /usr/sbin/squidGuard -c /etc/squid/squidGuard.conf > redirect_children 5 > http_port 3128 > httpd_accel_host virtual > httpd_accel_port 80 > httpd_accel_with_proxy on > httpd_accel_uses_host_header on > 4. Start squid service > 5. Run /usr/sbin/update_squidguard_blacklists to update blacklist files > 6. Run the following iptable line additions on *main* K12LTSP server: > iptables -t nat -A OUTPUT -p tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to-destination > 192.168.1.1:3128 > iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT > --to-destination 192.168.1.1:3128 > (chaging the ip address to my proxy/filter servers ip) > 7. Restart the network service on *main* server. > > One additional line for the squid.conf file I hadn't seen before but > which is in Michael William's setup instructions for squidGuard and > Dan's Guardian is "httpd_accel_single_host off". Would that make a > difference? It's not in squidGuard's instructions, or in the mesd > instructions... > Also, I am assuming that if I wanted to protect 433 traffic, I'd add > additional lines on the main servers iptables with those ports? > > -- > Steve Hargadon > 916-652-8600 ext. 711 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- Jay Pfaffman Asst Professor of Instructional Technology, U. TN, Knoxville Experimenting with gmail, please honor the Reply-To From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat Oct 30 12:44:17 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 08:44:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Can't launch Firefox In-Reply-To: <20041029202008.65c1953f@heaven> References: <4182EAA2.6070804@telus.net> <20041029202008.65c1953f@heaven> Message-ID: <41838CA1.7000108@cmosnetworks.com> Bill Bardon wrote: >On Friday, Oct 29 Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > >>Installed Firefox to >> >>/usr/local/firefox-installer/ >> >>when clients try to launch the firefox binary from a terminal they get >> >>*** LOADING THE EXTENSIONS DATASOURCE >>*** LOADING THE EXTENSIONS DATASOURCE >> >>this message keeps being displayed in an infinite loop. >> >>Does someone know how to solve this? >> >> > >Did you perform the very first run of Firefox as root on the server? >Firefox on Linux requires this to properly initialize some files. > >I think you could still login as root, run Firefox, and all would be >well after that. If not, uninstall and reinstall, then run as root the >first time. > > > I agree. "Traditional" Mozilla also requires this. The newer Firefox versions, it seems, on certain distros (SuSE Linux 9.1, for example) don't appear to absolutely require this anymore. Just yesterday I upgraded to Firefox 1.0rc1 from 1.0PR, and I forgot to run it as root (I installed the "old-fashioned" way--just unzipping the tarball to an empty directory). Worked like a charm anyway, which I found rather interesting. However, it's never wrong to run it as root the first time, just in case. One other thing: you might consider installing Firefox into a directory whose name doesn't say, "Oh, I'm the install directory". Better always to install to an empty directory. I've always used /usr/local/firefox, for example. To make sure I have a rollback option, I go one step further and save the most recent "old" version. Something like this, using an upgrade from Firefox 0.9.3 to Firefox 1.0rc1 as an example. First, rename the "current" installation: root at multimedia:/usr/local# mv firefox firefox-0.9.3 Now, install Firefox the usual way that you do it, into, say, /usr/local/firefox. When done, do this: root at multimedia:/usr/local# mv firefox firefox-1.0rc1 Now, symlink the new installation to the name "firefox": root at multimedia:/usr/local# ln -s firefox-1.0rc1 firefox Of course, you could simply install the new one into "firefox-1.0rc1" if you're using the firefox-installer, but the "traditional" package untar's into "firefox/". Thus, this method will work with that, too. --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From penguintiz at yahoo.com Sat Oct 30 19:57:00 2004 From: penguintiz at yahoo.com (David Tisdell) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 12:57:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Shockwave and Wine or crossover odffice In-Reply-To: <20041029173821.6241273BF5@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20041030195700.63138.qmail@web41905.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks for the info. Unfortunately, it looks like the instructions are for the Windows version of Firefox. Macromedia says they do not support shockwave on Linux. I sent them an email asking that it be ported over. In the meantime, I tried out crossover office and that works like a charm. Too bad it is a pay for solution. The good news is that the licensing is for concurrent users; very liberal compared with other companies (like the one in the pacific northwest). This looks like the way to go. I think wine is too much work on my own. Dave ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 13:37:44 -0400 From: Tuxnician Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Shockwave and Wine or crossover odffice To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Message-ID: <41827FE8.70206 at execulink.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I found this site: http://liewcf.com/wp/archives/2004/07/install-shockwave-player-for-standalone-firefox/ David Tisdell wrote: > Hi all, > I have a teacher that wants to use an educational site > that requires shockwave and there is no Linux plugin > for shockwave. > Anyone use a web browser through Wine so that the > shockwave plugin will work? Are there any other > creative ways to get shockwave to work? Is crossover > office the way to go? It supports the shockwave > plugin. Anyone license crossover office for ltsp. Do > you have to pay by server or number of users? Thanks. > Dave > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From jsmith at breakthroughministries.com Sat Oct 30 21:04:29 2004 From: jsmith at breakthroughministries.com (John A. Smith) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 16:04:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] nfs loads through crossover not through switch In-Reply-To: <4182D3FC.2050603@cmosnetworks.com> References: <4182D3FC.2050603@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <20040930160429.jsmith@breakthroughministries.com.12> The cheap kind! 10/100 mbs, auto-negotiating, unmanaged. http://www.gigafast.com/products/Switches/EZ800-S/EZ800-S.htm -john smith ----- Original Message ----- Terrell_Prud?,_Jr. wrote: > John A. Smith wrote: > > >Sorry for the repost . . . but thought this needed a new thread > > > >Well I finally did get the onboard nic working on the compaq 5133. It wasn't a tlan after all but the pcnet32:lancepci etherboot floppy from rom-o-matic, configured with the CONFIG_PCI_DIRECT option. > > > >Now, however, I have a different problem. When it gets to "Doing the pivot_root" the client hangs and says "nfs server 192.168.0.254 not responding, still trying." This message goes away and everything continues to load perfectly if I disconnect the client from the switch and reconnect a crossover cable from the nic to the server. Once X is started on the client and I log in, I can reconnect the client and server to the switch and run apps just fine. > > > >Anyone else run across this? > > > >-john smith > > > > > > > > What kind of switch are we talking about here? > > --TP > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- John A. Smith Director of Administration Breakthrough Urban Ministries 5243 N. Ashland Ave. Chicago, IL 60640-2001 PH: 773.989.4382, x230 FAX: 773.989.7329 http://www.breakthroughministries.com From dmarkovich at drmcs.com Sat Oct 30 21:04:57 2004 From: dmarkovich at drmcs.com (dmarkovich at drmcs.com) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 16:04:57 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Ktouch problem Message-ID: <1099170297.418401f9e09d0@webmail.drmcs.com> Having problems with Ktouch, sometimes when a student starts Ktouch they are put back at the unknown typing lesson. They have to be reset to the english typing lesson again. No way to know what level they were at. What could be going wrong. Using LTSP 4.1 Also, is there a utility to see and manage all students ktouch preference/stats files, ie know there levels, words per minute, accuracy, etc. From bear2bar at netscape.net Sat Oct 30 22:58:30 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 18:58:30 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] cloning hard drive Message-ID: <41841C96.9070406@netscape.net> Hi, Is there a direct way to clone a hard drive about to crash to a new drive ? FC2 to new drive thks norbert From ghenry at suretecsystems.com Sun Oct 31 03:06:16 2004 From: ghenry at suretecsystems.com (Gavin Henry) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 04:06:16 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] cloning hard drive In-Reply-To: <41841C96.9070406@netscape.net> References: <41841C96.9070406@netscape.net> Message-ID: <200410310306.18403.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 30 Oct 2004 23:58, norbert wrote: > Hi, > > Is there a direct way to clone a hard drive about to crash to a new > drive ? FC2 to new drive g4u - Ghost fo Unix. > > thks > norbert > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see - -- Kind Regards, Gavin Henry. Managing Director. T +44 (0) 1467 624141 M +44 (0) 7930 323266 F +44 (0) 1224 742001 E ghenry at suretecsystems.com Open Source. Open Solutions. (tm) http://www.suretecsystems.com/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBhFaoeWseh9tzvqgRAiEXAKCWH+LDsn1G7VoWd4jNRYZNERbBqACeNnC4 q9f6Z1YVdrcVleT/XczrKx0= =AJDF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ssanders at coin.org Sun Oct 31 05:36:55 2004 From: ssanders at coin.org (ssanders at coin.org) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 00:36:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] cloning hard drive In-Reply-To: <41841C96.9070406@netscape.net> References: <41841C96.9070406@netscape.net> Message-ID: <1099201015.4770.227.camel@ltsp.bofh> On Sat, 2004-10-30 at 17:58, norbert wrote: > Hi, > > Is there a direct way to clone a hard drive about to crash to a new > drive ? FC2 to new drive boot it to a Knoppix CD and do "dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb" change the source drive from /dev/hda to whatever yours is, change the dest drive to your new one. this is assuming your dest drive is as large or larger as the source drive. don't have either of the drives mounted during this. this way, you're not depending on a system possibly running on a flaky drive during the copy. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au Sun Oct 31 08:55:46 2004 From: debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au (Debbie Schiel) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 18:55:46 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Definitive guide to editing gnome menus? In-Reply-To: <41813EDF.2030303@criticalcontrol.com> References: <417E38B6.1090704@redeemer.qld.edu.au> <1098795270.14150.1.camel@ltsp1a003.ltsp1a> <417F4C76.4000000@redeemer.qld.edu.au> <41813EDF.2030303@criticalcontrol.com> Message-ID: <4184A892.20203@redeemer.qld.edu.au> So how about KDE? What do people think of KDE as a window/menu manager? Or should I just stick with Icewm? Pete wrote: > Debbie Schiel wrote: > >> Hi Bimal, and thanks for your tips. I gave them a go (step by step, no >> errors produced) but they have had no effect. >> You say that it works for redhat linux 9.0 with gnome2. >> I am using Fedora Core 2 with whatever came as default with k12ltsp >> 4.1.0 - is that the same as your setup? If it is then I must be doing >> something wrong and I will try it again, otherwise it means that this >> method doesn't work with K12ltsp 4.1.0. >> >> Thanks again, >> >> Debbie > > > AFAIK gnome menu editing is broke in gnome 2.6 (2.4 LTSP 4.0 works I did > it!) > I tried the same with gnome 2.6 but NO joy :-( > > I ended up by giving everybody the same restricted menu except when they > belong to 'root' group. > The 'stupid' but effective thing I did... > making the .desktop files NOT readable by others > .desktop files can be found in /usr/share/applications (and other dir.) > > Pete > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- http://www.redeemer.qld.edu.au/ From haysja at sages.us Sun Oct 31 16:38:10 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 10:38:10 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Presentation help Message-ID: <1099240690.418514f26a0fa@sages.us> Abe Loveless and I are giving a presentation on K12LTSP at the Illinois Education and Technology Conference in a couple weeks. Bob Munds and I gave a similar presentation at this conference last year. I am looking for "success stories" to include in the presentation. Can any of you send me a brief descrition of how you are using K12LTSP and how it has worked out for you? I need some brief descriptions and good quotes to use in the presentation. Thank you. ----------------------------------------- Jim Hays Technology Director Monticello CUSD#25 Monticello, IL 61856 ----------------------------------------- From les at futuresource.com Sun Oct 31 18:39:49 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 12:39:49 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] cloning hard drive In-Reply-To: <1099201015.4770.227.camel@ltsp.bofh> References: <41841C96.9070406@netscape.net> <1099201015.4770.227.camel@ltsp.bofh> Message-ID: <1099247989.32498.3.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2004-10-31 at 00:36, ssanders at coin.org wrote: > > Is there a direct way to clone a hard drive about to crash to a new > > drive ? FC2 to new drive > > boot it to a Knoppix CD and do "dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb" You can also boot the install CD from k12ltsp or RH/fedora with 'linux rescue' at the boot prompt to do it this way. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From lee at renarts.org Sun Oct 31 20:47:09 2004 From: lee at renarts.org (Lee Myrick) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 12:47:09 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Internet connection In-Reply-To: <9326098004103005272dabeb08@mail.gmail.com> References: <9326098004103005272dabeb08@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <08B4B4D0-2B7E-11D9-AE01-000A95BC9C2E@renarts.org> I'm interested to know what type of internet connection people are using for a 30-40 client project. I would think things would bog down terribly with a typical DSL connection, but I don't have experience with this, so I don't really know. Leland Myrick Information Services Administrator Renaissance Arts Academy lee at renarts.org http://www.renarts.org 323-259-5700 school site From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Sun Oct 31 21:35:55 2004 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 13:35:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Internet connection In-Reply-To: <08B4B4D0-2B7E-11D9-AE01-000A95BC9C2E@renarts.org> References: <9326098004103005272dabeb08@mail.gmail.com> <08B4B4D0-2B7E-11D9-AE01-000A95BC9C2E@renarts.org> Message-ID: <40874.24.20.16.226.1099258555.squirrel@24.20.16.226> Lee Myrick said: > I'm interested to know what type of internet connection people are > using for a 30-40 client project. I would think things would bog down > terribly with a typical DSL connection, but I don't have experience > with this, so I don't really know. I'd think this would depend entirely on the nature of the users' internet use (e-mail, web, streaming video?) and the DSL connection (128kb up/256kb down, 1.5mb both ways?). Web proxying via Squid and a caching nameserver could mitigate slowness somewhat, particularly if users would be visiting the same web sites w/ lots of static content. -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From lee at renarts.org Sun Oct 31 22:11:16 2004 From: lee at renarts.org (Lee Myrick) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 14:11:16 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Internet connection In-Reply-To: <40874.24.20.16.226.1099258555.squirrel@24.20.16.226> References: <9326098004103005272dabeb08@mail.gmail.com> <08B4B4D0-2B7E-11D9-AE01-000A95BC9C2E@renarts.org> <40874.24.20.16.226.1099258555.squirrel@24.20.16.226> Message-ID: We'd be using it only for email and web access, no streaming video. I'll check into web proxying. On Oct 31, 2004, at 1:35 PM, Dan Young wrote: > Lee Myrick said: >> I'm interested to know what type of internet connection people are >> using for a 30-40 client project. I would think things would bog down >> terribly with a typical DSL connection, but I don't have experience >> with this, so I don't really know. > > I'd think this would depend entirely on the nature of the users' > internet use (e-mail, web, streaming video?) and the DSL connection > (128kb up/256kb down, 1.5mb both ways?). > > Web proxying via Squid and a caching nameserver could mitigate slowness > somewhat, particularly if users would be visiting the same web sites w/ > lots of static content. Leland Myrick Information Services Administrator Renaissance Arts Academy lee at renarts.org http://www.renarts.org From bear2bar at netscape.net Sun Oct 31 22:29:00 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 17:29:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Presentation help In-Reply-To: <1099240690.418514f26a0fa@sages.us> References: <1099240690.418514f26a0fa@sages.us> Message-ID: <4185672C.4020609@netscape.net> haysja at sages.us wrote: >Abe Loveless and I are giving a presentation on K12LTSP at the Illinois >Education and Technology Conference in a couple weeks. Bob Munds and I gave a >similar presentation at this conference last year. > >I am looking for "success stories" to include in the presentation. Can any of >you send me a brief descrition of how you are using K12LTSP and how it has >worked out for you? I need some brief descriptions and good quotes to use in >the presentation. > >Thank you. > >----------------------------------------- >Jim Hays >Technology Director >Monticello CUSD#25 >Monticello, IL 61856 >----------------------------------------- > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see Hi Jim, Well let's see will you "post" or publish the list of info received ? Riverdale High School, Pierrefonds, Quebec. approx 1000 students & 60 teachers pre-k12ltsp 2 PC labs & 1 Mac lab PC lab use - 1 used 90% made up of P-III required board technician 2 full days/mth to maintain plus in-house computer "literate" science teacher - 1 used by 2 teachers made up of Celerons & P-II mostly gathering dust as the PC's were constantly crahing - 1 MAC lab used by one teacher for visual arts maintained internally post k12ltsp same as above except 1 - k12ltsp lab 20 stations used 100% of available time by 29 teachers in the first quater of use. added small cluster of P-III's to aid in video and 3D graphics applications Positive comments - the K12ltsp lab rocks!!! the teachers & students love it Cons - the board administration does not have any linux expertise and the tech union has tried to sabbotage the installs. Final still to be determined but the linux lab keeps working & the others keep crashing ... norbert From bear2bar at netscape.net Sun Oct 31 22:30:27 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 17:30:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Internet connection In-Reply-To: <08B4B4D0-2B7E-11D9-AE01-000A95BC9C2E@renarts.org> References: <9326098004103005272dabeb08@mail.gmail.com> <08B4B4D0-2B7E-11D9-AE01-000A95BC9C2E@renarts.org> Message-ID: <41856783.6080705@netscape.net> lee at renarts.org wrote: > I'm interested to know what type of internet connection people are > using for a 30-40 client project. I would think things would bog down > terribly with a typical DSL connection, but I don't have experience > with this, so I don't really know. > > Leland Myrick > > Information Services Administrator > Renaissance Arts Academy > lee at renarts.org > http://www.renarts.org > 323-259-5700 school site > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see HI Lee, We have both DSL & cable modem - the clear winner is cable ! norbert From mailinglists-after-041101_reply-not-possible at hpc.dk Sun Oct 31 22:47:13 2004 From: mailinglists-after-041101_reply-not-possible at hpc.dk (Henning Wangerin) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 23:47:13 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] ISOs for DVDs Message-ID: <1099262833.11878.9.camel@pruhest.oz1lln.dk> Hi gurus! Would it be possible to also have iso-files available for dvds? Most systems (servers) where I install K12ltsp or just plain FC2 have dvd-drives, so it would be much easier to just insert a single disk, answer a lot of questions, start the installation and go on the the next instalation. I'm nearly always running around with a set of discs in in my tool-box, and would also like to save a little space there ;-) TIA -- Henning Wangerin From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sun Oct 31 22:52:29 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 17:52:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Internet connection In-Reply-To: <08B4B4D0-2B7E-11D9-AE01-000A95BC9C2E@renarts.org> References: <9326098004103005272dabeb08@mail.gmail.com> <08B4B4D0-2B7E-11D9-AE01-000A95BC9C2E@renarts.org> Message-ID: <41856CAD.3090405@cmosnetworks.com> Lee Myrick wrote: > I'm interested to know what type of internet connection people are > using for a 30-40 client project. I would think things would bog down > terribly with a typical DSL connection, but I don't have experience > with this, so I don't really know. > > Leland Myrick > Originally a T1 line, recently upgraded to a fractional ATM DS3. This WAN link supports the entire school. --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sun Oct 31 22:58:39 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 17:58:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] nfs loads through crossover not through switch In-Reply-To: <20040930160429.jsmith@breakthroughministries.com.12> References: <4182D3FC.2050603@cmosnetworks.com> <20040930160429.jsmith@breakthroughministries.com.12> Message-ID: <41856E1F.1010607@cmosnetworks.com> I saw your solution earlier to get this working. Very interesting. I've had a similar experience in the PCI world; I've had to disable some onboard non-Linux-friendly built-in NICs and throw in a 3Com/Intel/Realtek 10/100 card to get things working. All the more reason for us all to vote with our dollars. --TP John A. Smith wrote: >The cheap kind! 10/100 mbs, auto-negotiating, unmanaged. > >http://www.gigafast.com/products/Switches/EZ800-S/EZ800-S.htm > >-john smith > > >----- Original Message ----- >Terrell_Prud?,_Jr. wrote: > > >>John A. Smith wrote: >> >> >> >>>Sorry for the repost . . . but thought this needed a new thread >>> >>>Well I finally did get the onboard nic working on the compaq 5133. It wasn't a tlan after all but the pcnet32:lancepci etherboot floppy from rom-o-matic, configured with the CONFIG_PCI_DIRECT option. >>> >>>Now, however, I have a different problem. When it gets to "Doing the pivot_root" the client hangs and says "nfs server 192.168.0.254 not responding, still trying." This message goes away and everything continues to load perfectly if I disconnect the client from the switch and reconnect a crossover cable from the nic to the server. Once X is started on the client and I log in, I can reconnect the client and server to the switch and run apps just fine. >>> >>>Anyone else run across this? >>> >>>-john smith >>> >>> -- _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out!