From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Sep 1 00:15:28 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:15:28 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Gigabit headach In-Reply-To: <41350D4C.9010201@cmosnetworks.com> References: <4133E695.9050205@pacifier.com> < > <1093993950.11246.3.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> < > <41350D4C.9010201@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >Another option is to run some fiber links and get some mini-GBIC modules >from Amer.com. I've used their fiber modules with success, so I know >they work. This afternoon, I also did a 1000BaseT (i. e. copper) >connection from a spare SR48G2i switch to my Catalyst 3550 and pumped >about 600Mb of traffic across it w/ no errors (multiple ISO image FTP >transfer), so now I _know_ that 1000BaseT on those switches does indeed >work. Unless you need GVRP support (you'll know if you do), you made a >good purchase. I agree...I'm using all Amer.com stuff and I'm having a great time! :-) I will say that I came across the very first bad gig switch from Amer about a week ago. It wasn't mine and I'm not totally convinced it wasn't my own fault....but "lifetime warranty"....sent it back no questions asked and they sent a new one right away! :-) Can you move the switch back to the server and run a short length test just to rule out whether it's the switch? My guess is you have WAY TOO LONG of a run....and possibly not the greatest conditions in that run. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From microman at cmosnetworks.com Wed Sep 1 00:30:05 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:30:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Gigabit headach In-Reply-To: <741dcbb8040831163245a42cf4@mail.gmail.com> References: <4133E695.9050205@pacifier.com> <1093993950.11246.3.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> <741dcbb8040831163245a42cf4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4135180D.1080209@cmosnetworks.com> Actually, IEEE 802.3ab does indeed specify 100m, or 328ft, for 1000BaseT, on Cat5 or above wiring. This is because of the large installed base of Cat5 wiring; the 1000BaseT protocol was specifically designed with this in mind. There are some who *recommend* shorter distances than the full 100m when doing Gig-E or even 100BaseTX, and personally, I agree, but the IEEE has certified 1000BaseT to that distance. As for the Bluemax recommendation, here's my guess as to how that came about. When these folks said "82ft", that was very likely a propagated typo, combined with another recommendation that these folks had read, specifically one that says "allow for patch cables." See, a lot of folks use 2m (7ft) cables from their patch panel to the switch, and from the network drop in the wall to their boxes. The folks at Bluemax probably saw the 100m and accidentally translated that mentally into "100ft", remembered that most folks use 7ft patch cables, noted that 82+(7*2)=96 (just under "100ft"), and thus said, "AHA, here's our recommendation!" Oops. Now mind you, the 100m spec assumes fairly optimal conditions; we know that real buildings in the real world are very often far from optimal. For example, if your cable runs are snaking right through a bunch of fluorescent lights or next to high EMF-emitting electric motors, your cable runs will need to be much shorter, and you may wish to revisit your cable run placement anyway. On the other hand, if your cable runs are, say, encased in grounded steel conduit, you should be able to get the full 100m with little trouble. That said, if I find that I'm getting close to that 100m limit, or if I can see that I'm going through a high EMF area regardless of cable length, I'm runnin' some fiber. --TP Brock Noland wrote: >If that is true I was not aware of it, but I am no expert! However I >found this interesting note yesterday. > > >"Using quality CAT 5 Cabling, good wiring practices and no EMI >problems, the maximum recommended transmission line length between >nodes for 10BaseT and 100TX is 100 Meters (about 329 feet). For >Gigabit wiring using 1000BaseT operating at 350MHz, the limitation is >82 feet.." > > >http://www.bluemax.net/techtips/networking/Wiring_Tips/Wiring100TX/alittletheory.htm > >On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 19:20:19 -0400, Shane Stafford > wrote: > > >>oh knowing who did our cabling and the fact we just purchased 5 of these >>switches, this is not a good thing. >> >>ah well, life stays interesting >> >>Shane >> >>"Support list for opensource software in schools." on >> >> >>Tuesday, August 31, 2004 at 7:12 PM -0500 wrote: >> >> >>>On Mon, 2004-08-30 at 22:46, Duane Wilson wrote: >>> >>> >>>>I took everyones advice and bought the amer.com SR24G2. >>>> >>>>Installed it between server and terminals. >>>> >>>>Tried to boot terminals all at once - nada! >>>> Would not even get DHCP >>>> >>>>Tried one terminal. >>>> Got DHCP but choked on 'loading vmlinuz' >>>> >>>>There is about 230 ft. of cat Ve from the server to the AR24G2. >>>> >>>>Is that too far? >>>>Did I crimp the end wrong? (It works fine when connected to the old >>>> >>>> >>>100 >>> >>> >>>>Mbit) >>>>Is my switch bad? >>>> >>>>Anyone??? >>>> >>>> >>>>Thanks, >>>>Duane Wilson >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>I agree with Terrell. The tolerances for Gig vs 100mb are substantial. >>>Just because it works with 100mb does *not* mean it will work with gig. >>>Take it from a person who has already gone through what you are going >>>through. Check your cabling. It has to be done *perfectly* for gig to >>>work over copper. >>> >>>Jack >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >>> >>Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT >>Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town >>Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer >>S & B Consulting >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > > > > -- _____________________ Do you GNU!? Win freedom from all but 1 of 4000 spams with Mozilla Thunderbird. Download it now. From ahodson at elp.rr.com Wed Sep 1 01:59:49 2004 From: ahodson at elp.rr.com (Alan A Hodson) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 19:59:49 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Is the Remote Desktop Connection utility still around? Message-ID: Hi folks I recently install V4.1 and had not had the need to use the Remote Desktop Connection icon (was under Internet/More Internet Applications/RDC, When I went to use it today, it wasn't there. I am not sure if it had to do with my having skipped KDE installation, but I need it back. I believe it was a linux version of rdesktop, and it may be even installed. Can someone give a hand with the syntax and/or the dloadable name/site? Thanks Alan Hodson El Paso ISD, TX http://links.episd.org -=o=- From haysja at sages.us Wed Sep 1 02:07:47 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:07:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Is the Remote Desktop Connection utility still around? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1094004467.41352ef3b0eea@sages.us> http://www.rdesktop.org/ Quoting Alan A Hodson : > Hi folks > > I recently install V4.1 and had not had the need to use the Remote > Desktop Connection icon (was under Internet/More Internet > Applications/RDC, When I went to use it today, it wasn't there. I am > not sure if it had to do with my having skipped KDE installation, but > I need it back. I believe it was a linux version of rdesktop, and it > may be even installed. Can someone give a hand with the syntax and/or > the dloadable name/site? > > Thanks > Alan Hodson > El Paso ISD, TX > http://links.episd.org > -=o=- > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ----------------------------------------- Jim Hays Technology Director Monticello CUSD#25 Monticello, IL 61856 ----------------------------------------- From rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us Wed Sep 1 02:31:06 2004 From: rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us (Rick O'Dell) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:31:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Spam Assassin blacklist Message-ID: Hi folks, I have a question. I have a fedora box running postfix, Mail Scanner and Spam Assassin. We are getting tons of Spam and I would like to setup a blacklist that would block those ip's, the problem is, I don't know how. I am new to Linux, new to Postfix, and Mail Scanner. There is some info in the mail scanner conf. but I need more of a step by step. Any Info will be appreciated. Thanks, Rick. Rick O'Dell Net Work Administrator Bakersfield R4 School Dst. Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.262 / Virus Database: 264.7.2 - Release Date: 8/31/2004 From cwt137 at yahoo.com Wed Sep 1 04:29:58 2004 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:29:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] any NX plans for K12LTSP? In-Reply-To: <4134D642.8040708@czexan.net> Message-ID: <20040901042958.40711.qmail@web12106.mail.yahoo.com> Check out /. they have something too. I think NX wont be included because it is a competing thin client solution. Plus LTSP isn't setup to support NX. The way I see it, (please correct me if I'm wrong) LTSP is basically a minimalist Linux OS that was made to do a few things. 1) Load over the network when a thin client is turned on. 2) Run the OS in ram. 3) Start X-windows and use XDMCP to connect to the Terminal Server. If you want a LTSP-like solution that supports, or will support NX, check out http://pxes.sf.net/ and http://thinstation.sf.net/ --- Dale Sykora wrote: > I read an interesting article about an X compression > technology called > NX than lowers the bandwidth needs of remote X > sessions. I was > wondering if this is being considered for future > K12LTSP versions. The > article is at the url below. > > http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=8139&page=1 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush From jam at mcquil.com Wed Sep 1 04:45:55 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 00:45:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] any NX plans for K12LTSP? In-Reply-To: <20040901042958.40711.qmail@web12106.mail.yahoo.com> References: <4134D642.8040708@czexan.net> <20040901042958.40711.qmail@web12106.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040901044555.GA12647@mcquil.com> On Tue, Aug 31, 2004 at 09:29:58PM -0700, Chris Thomas wrote: > Check out /. they have something too. > > I think NX wont be included because it is a competing > thin client solution. Plus LTSP isn't setup to support > NX. NX doesn't compete with LTSP. NX is nothing like LTSP. LTSP is a distribution of linux that runs on thin client hardware. NX is an X proxy that works very well over low bandwidth connections. > The way I see it, (please correct me if I'm wrong) > LTSP is basically a minimalist Linux OS that was made > to do a few things. 1) Load over the network when a > thin client is turned on. 2) Run the OS in ram. 3) > Start X-windows and use XDMCP to connect to the > Terminal Server. #1 is correct. LTSP loads over the net. #2 is also correct, but then again, operating systems run in ram on all computers. #3 is sort of correct, but it's not complete. One of the things you can do with LTSP is run an Xserver with and XDMCP query to a server. you can also run rdesktop as a session, without doing an XDMCP query. You can also run a character based telnet session, if you don't want/need a gui. > > If you want a LTSP-like solution that supports, or > will support NX, check out http://pxes.sf.net/ and > http://thinstation.sf.net/ NX is a very interesting technology, and basically, there's only 2 reasons why it isn't in LTSP yet. 1) Until now, there hasn't been a free server available. 2) There's only so many hours in the day. With Freenx, it appears that we now have a free implementation of the NX server technology. So, the only remaining hurdle is finding the time to integrate the NX client into LTSP. I've not spent any time at it yet, but it really shouldn't be all that tough to create a screen_script that runs X and the NX client. Anybody want to take a whack at it ? Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org > > > --- Dale Sykora wrote: > > > I read an interesting article about an X compression > > technology called > > NX than lowers the bandwidth needs of remote X > > sessions. I was > > wondering if this is being considered for future > > K12LTSP versions. The > > article is at the url below. > > > > http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=8139&page=1 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From lug at phxlinux.org Wed Sep 1 05:54:50 2004 From: lug at phxlinux.org (Matt Alexander) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:54:50 -0700 (MST) Subject: [K12OSN] Spam Assassin blacklist In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 31 Aug 2004, Rick O'Dell wrote: > Hi folks, I have a question. I have a fedora box running postfix, Mail > Scanner and Spam Assassin. We are getting tons of Spam and I would like to > setup a blacklist that would block those ip's, the problem is, I don't know > how. I am new to Linux, new to Postfix, and Mail Scanner. There is some info > in the mail scanner conf. but I need more of a step by step. > Any Info will be appreciated. > Thanks, > Rick. There's a lot you can do with Postfix to cut down on SPAM sources before it even gets to SpamAssassin using Postfix's UCE commands. There's a bazillion HOWTO's on the net, but here's a good place to start: http://www.postfix.org/docs.html From info at baf-computers.com Wed Sep 1 07:46:53 2004 From: info at baf-computers.com (Les Finch) Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 08:46:53 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Boot up sata raid In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Boot up sata raid. After installing K12ltsp 4.1 on reboot hangs grub stage two, trying to install Raid Help Please! 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Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ From sudev at mantraonline.com Wed Sep 1 08:36:19 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 14:06:19 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Loading vmlinuz.ltsp In-Reply-To: <009401c48f96$d18c3670$2bdf1dd3@boss> References: <009401c48f96$d18c3670$2bdf1dd3@boss> Message-ID: <1094027778.30661.4.camel@server.ltsp> On Wed, 2004-09-01 at 01:42, ben may wrote: > It has two network cards, a onboard and a add-on card (expansion slot) i > have set both cards to DHCP, i dont plan of going onto the net, these will > be indapendent to all my other networks. i turned the fire wall OFF for the > same reason, that i wont be on the net. Two card on the same network with same IP?? Or did you "bound" card?? > Now after making a boot disk from rom o matic heres where my client gets to, > > Scanning for server (DHCP)..... > me=192.168.0.254 server=192.168.0.254 gateway=192.168.0.254 > loading 192.168.0.254:lts/vmlinuz.ltsp.................. Take out one card first, you need two card solution where the box is to act as gateway or two cards are to be "bound" to form a fatter pipe. -- Sudev Barar From k12ltsp at ramsele.dyndns.org Wed Sep 1 11:55:00 2004 From: k12ltsp at ramsele.dyndns.org (k12ltsp at ramsele.dyndns.org) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 13:55:00 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Fwd: Cron /usr/sbin/update_squidguard_blacklists Message-ID: <200409011155.i81Bt0X28982@ramsele.dyndns.org> John Hansknecht wrote .. > Hi folks, > > My squidguard update cron process is failing with the following error. > Does > anyone have any suggestions on where to start looking for the source of > the > problem. > > rsync: failed to connect to squidguard.mesd.k12.or.us: Connection timed > out > rsync error: error in socket IO (code 10) at clientserver.c(83) > > The script looks like this (as far as I know unmodified from installation) > > TARGET=/var/squidGuard/blacklists > > cd $TARGET || exit > > # only run if squidGuard is active! > [ "`ps auxw | grep squid[G]uard`" ] || exit > > rsync -az squidguard.mesd.k12.or.us::filtering $TARGET > > for DIR in `ls $TARGET` > do > if [ -f $DIR/domains.include ] > then > TMP=$RANDOM > cat $DIR/domains $DIR/domains.include | sort | uniq > > $DIR/domains.$TMP > mv -f $DIR/domains.$TMP $DIR/domains > fi > if [ -f $DIR/urls.include ] > then > TMP=$RANDOM > cat $DIR/urls $DIR/urls.include | sort | uniq > $DIR/urls.$TMP > mv -f $DIR/urls.$TMP $DIR/urls > fi > done > > /usr/sbin/squidGuard -c /etc/squid/squidGuard.conf -C all > # /usr/sbin/squidGuard -c /etc/squid/squidGuard.conf -u > > chown -R squid.squid $TARGET > chown -R squid.squid /var/log/squidGuard/ > # inserted by John Hansknecht 6/6/03 > chown -R squid.squid /home/squid/ > > sleep 5s > > /usr/bin/killall -HUP squid > > Thanks, > > John Hansknecht I think rsync needs tcp port 873 to be open in the firewall. So my tip is check the firewall. //Henning From jam at mcquil.com Wed Sep 1 12:35:30 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 08:35:30 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Loading vmlinuz.ltsp In-Reply-To: <009401c48f96$d18c3670$2bdf1dd3@boss> References: <009401c48f96$d18c3670$2bdf1dd3@boss> Message-ID: <20040901123530.GB12647@mcquil.com> You have 2 nics, both set to DHCP ? Are both nics plugged into the same switch, getting their addresses from the same DHCP server ? if so, then it isn't gonna work. with k12ltsp, you really need to set eth0 with a static IP address, typically 192.168.0.254. AND, it must be on a separate switch. Or at least on a separate VLAN. putting both nics on the same physical network isn't gonna work. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Wed, Sep 01, 2004 at 06:12:13AM +1000, ben may wrote: > Hi eveybody, > I have just put /once again/ a fresh copy of k12lstsp on my server v 4.0.1. > It has two network cards, a onboard and a add-on card (expansion slot) i > have set both cards to DHCP, i dont plan of going onto the net, these will > be indapendent to all my other networks. i turned the fire wall OFF for the > same reason, that i wont be on the net. > Now after making a boot disk from rom o matic heres where my client gets to, > > Scanning for server (DHCP)..... > me=192.168.0.254 server=192.168.0.254 gateway=192.168.0.254 > loading 192.168.0.254:lts/vmlinuz.ltsp.................. > > Thats all it does, > if anyone has some help PLEASE help me, > Thanks > > Ben May > QLD, Australia > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From tlegge at rogers.com Wed Sep 1 13:51:13 2004 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 09:51:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Adding an automatic messgae to the end of email Message-ID: <20040901135113.78583.qmail@web88208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi I am looking for a method of addig a disclaimer type message to the end of all email sent via smtp (without using the signature function of evolution). Essentially it would say that we use Open Office and point the recepient to the web site for a free office product. Tim From austinsr at uindy.edu Wed Sep 1 14:23:12 2004 From: austinsr at uindy.edu (Shawn R. Austin) Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 09:23:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] any NX plans for K12LTSP? In-Reply-To: <20040901044555.GA12647@mcquil.com> References: <4134D642.8040708@czexan.net> <20040901042958.40711.qmail@web12106.mail.yahoo.com> <20040901044555.GA12647@mcquil.com> Message-ID: <1094048592.15703.11.camel@austinsr.isdesktop.uindy.edu> I have been looking at sources that I found for debian and am currently testing them. The one problem that I have found so far is it has no support for users from LDAP. It seems to want everyone to have a local account for it to work. Im trying to get that changed now. If I have any luck with this, I will send a link to the list with the modified server and a screen script. Shawn On Tue, 2004-08-31 at 23:45, Jim McQuillan wrote: > On Tue, Aug 31, 2004 at 09:29:58PM -0700, Chris Thomas wrote: > > Check out /. they have something too. > > > > I think NX wont be included because it is a competing > > thin client solution. Plus LTSP isn't setup to support > > NX. > > NX doesn't compete with LTSP. NX is nothing like LTSP. > > LTSP is a distribution of linux that runs on thin client hardware. > > NX is an X proxy that works very well over low bandwidth connections. > > > The way I see it, (please correct me if I'm wrong) > > LTSP is basically a minimalist Linux OS that was made > > to do a few things. 1) Load over the network when a > > thin client is turned on. 2) Run the OS in ram. 3) > > Start X-windows and use XDMCP to connect to the > > Terminal Server. > > #1 is correct. LTSP loads over the net. > > #2 is also correct, but then again, operating systems > run in ram on all computers. > > #3 is sort of correct, but it's not complete. One of the > things you can do with LTSP is run an Xserver with > and XDMCP query to a server. you can also run rdesktop > as a session, without doing an XDMCP query. > You can also run a character based telnet session, if you > don't want/need a gui. > > > > > If you want a LTSP-like solution that supports, or > > will support NX, check out http://pxes.sf.net/ and > > http://thinstation.sf.net/ > > NX is a very interesting technology, and basically, there's > only 2 reasons why it isn't in LTSP yet. > > 1) Until now, there hasn't been a free server available. > > 2) There's only so many hours in the day. > > With Freenx, it appears that we now have a free implementation of the NX > server technology. > > So, the only remaining hurdle is finding the time to integrate the NX > client into LTSP. I've not spent any time at it yet, but it really > shouldn't be all that tough to create a screen_script that > runs X and the NX client. Anybody want to take a whack at it ? > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > > > > > --- Dale Sykora wrote: > > > > > I read an interesting article about an X compression > > > technology called > > > NX than lowers the bandwidth needs of remote X > > > sessions. I was > > > wondering if this is being considered for future > > > K12LTSP versions. The > > > article is at the url below. > > > > > > http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=8139&page=1 > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From garret at ruffdogs.com Wed Sep 1 14:49:32 2004 From: garret at ruffdogs.com (Garret Acott) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 08:49:32 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] any NX plans for K12LTSP? Message-ID: <20040901144932.80AEF119E36@dogfood.ruffdogs.com> If anybody is interested in this we have already accomplished it, and implemented it. It's very nice because we can now reach our LTSP box over the internet also. :-) We have done a few things with the server. 1. Compiled statically so it should run on any *nx. 2. Got around the lack of LDAP autho by creating a "guest" account that takes you as far as the LTSP login screen (basically taking much or this function away from the client and placing it at the server where we think it belongs), at that point you log into the system as you would locally. We are more than happy to redistribute this code to anybody who would like it, we would also be happy to support our changes. Also, we have not had a chance to do anything to the client side yet, and are using the older NXClient release as a client. Please send an email to me at garret at ruffdogs.com with NXServer in the subject if you are interested, as it sometimes takes me days to reading my subscribed mail lists. Thanks Garret Ruffdogs Office: 970-484-5390 Cell: 970-691-4748 Fax: 970-493-6065 TollFree: 1-866-linux-os http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&q=ruffdogs&btnG=Search Original Message: ----------------------------------------------- >>I have been looking at sources that I found for debian and am currently >>testing them. The one problem that I have found so far is it has no >>support for users from LDAP. It seems to want everyone to have a local >>account for it to work. Im trying to get that changed now. If I have >>any luck with this, I will send a link to the list with the modified >>server and a screen script. >> >>Shawn >>On Tue, 2004-08-31 at 23:45, Jim McQuillan wrote: >>> On Tue, Aug 31, 2004 at 09:29:58PM -0700, Chris Thomas wrote: >>> > Check out /. they have something too. >>> > >>> > I think NX wont be included because it is a competing >>> > thin client solution. Plus LTSP isn't setup to support >>> > NX. >>> >>> NX doesn't compete with LTSP. NX is nothing like LTSP. >>> >>> LTSP is a distribution of linux that runs on thin client hardware. >>> >>> NX is an X proxy that works very well over low bandwidth connections. >>> >>> > The way I see it, (please correct me if I'm wrong) >>> > LTSP is basically a minimalist Linux OS that was made >>> > to do a few things. 1) Load over the network when a >>> > thin client is turned on. 2) Run the OS in ram. 3) >>> > Start X-windows and use XDMCP to connect to the >>> > Terminal Server. >>> >>> #1 is correct. LTSP loads over the net. >>> >>> #2 is also correct, but then again, operating systems >>> run in ram on all computers. >>> >>> #3 is sort of correct, but it's not complete. One of the >>> things you can do with LTSP is run an Xserver with >>> and XDMCP query to a server. you can also run rdesktop >>> as a session, without doing an XDMCP query. >>> You can also run a character based telnet session, if you >>> don't want/need a gui. >>> >>> > >>> > If you want a LTSP-like solution that supports, or >>> > will support NX, check out http://pxes.sf.net/ and >>> > http://thinstation.sf.net/ >>> >>> NX is a very interesting technology, and basically, there's >>> only 2 reasons why it isn't in LTSP yet. >>> >>> 1) Until now, there hasn't been a free server available. >>> >>> 2) There's only so many hours in the day. >>> >>> With Freenx, it appears that we now have a free implementation of the NX >>> server technology. >>> >>> So, the only remaining hurdle is finding the time to integrate the NX >>> client into LTSP. I've not spent any time at it yet, but it really >>> shouldn't be all that tough to create a screen_script that >>> runs X and the NX client. Anybody want to take a whack at it ? >>> >>> Jim McQuillan >>> jam at Ltsp.org >>> >>> >>> > >>> > >>> > --- Dale Sykora wrote: >>> > >>> > > I read an interesting article about an X compression >>> > > technology called >>> > > NX than lowers the bandwidth needs of remote X >>> > > sessions. I was >>> > > wondering if this is being considered for future >>> > > K12LTSP versions. The >>> > > article is at the url below. >>> > > >>> > > http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=8139&page=1 >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > K12OSN mailing list >>> > > K12OSN at redhat.com >>> > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> > > For more info see >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________ >>> > Do you Yahoo!? >>> > Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! 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From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Sep 1 15:12:08 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 10:12:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Script Error with file names that have spaces Message-ID: <002601c49036$0c7e6420$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> A while back I was provided the following script for changing permissions on files: #!/bin/bash for file in /home/Drop/* do owner=$(ls -ld $file|awk '{print $3}') chown -R $owner $file Done Now I am running into problems with it not knowing how to handle files with spaces in them such as "my homework" instead of "myhomework". Now I know that if I run the commands manually at a command line I am able to contain the filename in quotes to solve this but I don't know how to incorporate that into this script. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.744 / Virus Database: 496 - Release Date: 8/24/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From david at okgoodwill.org Wed Sep 1 15:16:34 2004 From: david at okgoodwill.org (David H. Barr) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 10:16:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Script Error with file names that have spaces Message-ID: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E282119C3C@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> >From http://www.faqs.org/docs/bashman/bashref_9.html: A non-quoted backslash `\' is the Bash escape character. It preserves the literal value of the next character that follows, with the exception of newline. If a \newline pair appears, and the backslash itself is not quoted, the \newline is treated as a line continuation (that is, it is removed from the input stream and effectively ignored). So escape your " with a \ -dBarr. On Wednesday, September 01, 2004 10:12 AM, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > A while back I was provided the following script for changing > permissions on files: #!/bin/bash for file in /home/Drop/* do > owner=$(ls -ld $file|awk '{print $3}') chown -R $owner $file Done > > Now I am running into problems with it not knowing how to handle > files with spaces in them such as "my homework" instead of > "myhomework". Now I know that if I run the commands manually at a > command line I am able to contain the filename in quotes to solve > this but I don't know how to incorporate that into this script. Any > help would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Jim Kronebusch > Cotter Tech Department > 507-453-5188 > jim at winonacotter.org > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.744 / Virus Database: 496 - Release Date: 8/24/2004 From austinsr at uindy.edu Wed Sep 1 15:23:24 2004 From: austinsr at uindy.edu (Shawn R. Austin) Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 10:23:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] any NX plans for K12LTSP? In-Reply-To: <20040901144932.80AEF119E36@dogfood.ruffdogs.com> References: <20040901144932.80AEF119E36@dogfood.ruffdogs.com> Message-ID: <1094052204.15703.35.camel@austinsr.isdesktop.uindy.edu> Here is a quick way to use ldap accounts. Replace the cmd_adduser() function with: cmd_adduser() { CMD_CHUSER=$2 [ ${#CMD_CHUSER} -ge 32 ] && cmd_abort "Error: User $CMD_CHUSER must be shorter than 32 characters." egrep -q "^$CMD_CHUSER:" $NX_ETC_DIR/passwords && cmd_abort "Error: User $CMD_CHUSER already in database." egrep -q "^$CMD_CHUSER:" /etc/passwd || ldapsearch -x uid="$CMD_CHUSER" |grep -v filter |grep $CMD_CHUSER || cmd_abort "Error: User $CMD_CHUSER does not exist in the system. Can't add." passdb_add_user "$CMD_CHUSER" } On Wed, 2004-09-01 at 09:49, Garret Acott wrote: > > If anybody is interested in this we have already accomplished it, and implemented it. It's very nice because we can now reach our LTSP box over the internet also. :-) > > We have done a few things with the server. > > 1. Compiled statically so it should run on any *nx. > 2. Got around the lack of LDAP autho by creating a "guest" account that takes you as far as the LTSP login screen (basically taking much or this function away from the client and placing it at the server where we think it belongs), at that point you log into the system as you would locally. > > We are more than happy to redistribute this code to anybody who would like it, we would also be happy to support our changes. > > Also, we have not had a chance to do anything to the client side yet, and are using the older NXClient release as a client. > > Please send an email to me at garret at ruffdogs.com with NXServer in the subject if you are interested, as it sometimes takes me days to reading my subscribed mail lists. > > Thanks > Garret > > > Ruffdogs > Office: 970-484-5390 > Cell: 970-691-4748 > Fax: 970-493-6065 > TollFree: 1-866-linux-os > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&q=ruffdogs&btnG=Search > > Original Message: > > ----------------------------------------------- > > >>I have been looking at sources that I found for debian and am currently > >>testing them. The one problem that I have found so far is it has no > >>support for users from LDAP. It seems to want everyone to have a local > >>account for it to work. Im trying to get that changed now. If I have > >>any luck with this, I will send a link to the list with the modified > >>server and a screen script. > >> > >>Shawn > >>On Tue, 2004-08-31 at 23:45, Jim McQuillan wrote: > >>> On Tue, Aug 31, 2004 at 09:29:58PM -0700, Chris Thomas wrote: > >>> > Check out /. they have something too. > >>> > > >>> > I think NX wont be included because it is a competing > >>> > thin client solution. Plus LTSP isn't setup to support > >>> > NX. > >>> > >>> NX doesn't compete with LTSP. NX is nothing like LTSP. > >>> > >>> LTSP is a distribution of linux that runs on thin client hardware. > >>> > >>> NX is an X proxy that works very well over low bandwidth connections. > >>> > >>> > The way I see it, (please correct me if I'm wrong) > >>> > LTSP is basically a minimalist Linux OS that was made > >>> > to do a few things. 1) Load over the network when a > >>> > thin client is turned on. 2) Run the OS in ram. 3) > >>> > Start X-windows and use XDMCP to connect to the > >>> > Terminal Server. > >>> > >>> #1 is correct. LTSP loads over the net. > >>> > >>> #2 is also correct, but then again, operating systems > >>> run in ram on all computers. > >>> > >>> #3 is sort of correct, but it's not complete. One of the > >>> things you can do with LTSP is run an Xserver with > >>> and XDMCP query to a server. you can also run rdesktop > >>> as a session, without doing an XDMCP query. > >>> You can also run a character based telnet session, if you > >>> don't want/need a gui. > >>> > >>> > > >>> > If you want a LTSP-like solution that supports, or > >>> > will support NX, check out http://pxes.sf.net/ and > >>> > http://thinstation.sf.net/ > >>> > >>> NX is a very interesting technology, and basically, there's > >>> only 2 reasons why it isn't in LTSP yet. > >>> > >>> 1) Until now, there hasn't been a free server available. > >>> > >>> 2) There's only so many hours in the day. > >>> > >>> With Freenx, it appears that we now have a free implementation of the NX > >>> server technology. > >>> > >>> So, the only remaining hurdle is finding the time to integrate the NX > >>> client into LTSP. I've not spent any time at it yet, but it really > >>> shouldn't be all that tough to create a screen_script that > >>> runs X and the NX client. Anybody want to take a whack at it ? > >>> > >>> Jim McQuillan > >>> jam at Ltsp.org > >>> > >>> > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > --- Dale Sykora wrote: > >>> > > >>> > > I read an interesting article about an X compression > >>> > > technology called > >>> > > NX than lowers the bandwidth needs of remote X > >>> > > sessions. I was > >>> > > wondering if this is being considered for future > >>> > > K12LTSP versions. The > >>> > > article is at the url below. > >>> > > > >>> > > http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=8139&page=1 > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > _______________________________________________ > >>> > > K12OSN mailing list > >>> > > K12OSN at redhat.com > >>> > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>> > > For more info see > >>> > > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > _______________________________ > >>> > Do you Yahoo!? > >>> > Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! 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URL: From austinsr at uindy.edu Wed Sep 1 15:24:29 2004 From: austinsr at uindy.edu (Shawn R. Austin) Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 10:24:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] any NX plans for K12LTSP? In-Reply-To: <20040901144932.80AEF119E36@dogfood.ruffdogs.com> References: <20040901144932.80AEF119E36@dogfood.ruffdogs.com> Message-ID: <1094052269.15703.38.camel@austinsr.isdesktop.uindy.edu> Please igonre the first email...Sorry about that. Here is a quick and easy way to use ldap with FreeNX. I couldn't get the formatting correct in Evolution, so here is a link to a text document with the new cmd_adduser() function in it. http://sauron.is.uindy.edu/nx/ldap.txt On Wed, 2004-09-01 at 09:49, Garret Acott wrote: > > If anybody is interested in this we have already accomplished it, and implemented it. It's very nice because we can now reach our LTSP box over the internet also. :-) > > We have done a few things with the server. > > 1. Compiled statically so it should run on any *nx. > 2. Got around the lack of LDAP autho by creating a "guest" account that takes you as far as the LTSP login screen (basically taking much or this function away from the client and placing it at the server where we think it belongs), at that point you log into the system as you would locally. > > We are more than happy to redistribute this code to anybody who would like it, we would also be happy to support our changes. > > Also, we have not had a chance to do anything to the client side yet, and are using the older NXClient release as a client. > > Please send an email to me at garret at ruffdogs.com with NXServer in the subject if you are interested, as it sometimes takes me days to reading my subscribed mail lists. > > Thanks > Garret > > > Ruffdogs > Office: 970-484-5390 > Cell: 970-691-4748 > Fax: 970-493-6065 > TollFree: 1-866-linux-os > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&q=ruffdogs&btnG=Search > > Original Message: > > ----------------------------------------------- > > >>I have been looking at sources that I found for debian and am currently > >>testing them. The one problem that I have found so far is it has no > >>support for users from LDAP. It seems to want everyone to have a local > >>account for it to work. Im trying to get that changed now. If I have > >>any luck with this, I will send a link to the list with the modified > >>server and a screen script. > >> > >>Shawn > >>On Tue, 2004-08-31 at 23:45, Jim McQuillan wrote: > >>> On Tue, Aug 31, 2004 at 09:29:58PM -0700, Chris Thomas wrote: > >>> > Check out /. they have something too. > >>> > > >>> > I think NX wont be included because it is a competing > >>> > thin client solution. Plus LTSP isn't setup to support > >>> > NX. > >>> > >>> NX doesn't compete with LTSP. NX is nothing like LTSP. > >>> > >>> LTSP is a distribution of linux that runs on thin client hardware. > >>> > >>> NX is an X proxy that works very well over low bandwidth connections. > >>> > >>> > The way I see it, (please correct me if I'm wrong) > >>> > LTSP is basically a minimalist Linux OS that was made > >>> > to do a few things. 1) Load over the network when a > >>> > thin client is turned on. 2) Run the OS in ram. 3) > >>> > Start X-windows and use XDMCP to connect to the > >>> > Terminal Server. > >>> > >>> #1 is correct. LTSP loads over the net. > >>> > >>> #2 is also correct, but then again, operating systems > >>> run in ram on all computers. > >>> > >>> #3 is sort of correct, but it's not complete. One of the > >>> things you can do with LTSP is run an Xserver with > >>> and XDMCP query to a server. you can also run rdesktop > >>> as a session, without doing an XDMCP query. > >>> You can also run a character based telnet session, if you > >>> don't want/need a gui. > >>> > >>> > > >>> > If you want a LTSP-like solution that supports, or > >>> > will support NX, check out http://pxes.sf.net/ and > >>> > http://thinstation.sf.net/ > >>> > >>> NX is a very interesting technology, and basically, there's > >>> only 2 reasons why it isn't in LTSP yet. > >>> > >>> 1) Until now, there hasn't been a free server available. > >>> > >>> 2) There's only so many hours in the day. > >>> > >>> With Freenx, it appears that we now have a free implementation of the NX > >>> server technology. > >>> > >>> So, the only remaining hurdle is finding the time to integrate the NX > >>> client into LTSP. I've not spent any time at it yet, but it really > >>> shouldn't be all that tough to create a screen_script that > >>> runs X and the NX client. Anybody want to take a whack at it ? > >>> > >>> Jim McQuillan > >>> jam at Ltsp.org > >>> > >>> > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > --- Dale Sykora wrote: > >>> > > >>> > > I read an interesting article about an X compression > >>> > > technology called > >>> > > NX than lowers the bandwidth needs of remote X > >>> > > sessions. I was > >>> > > wondering if this is being considered for future > >>> > > K12LTSP versions. The > >>> > > article is at the url below. > >>> > > > >>> > > http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=8139&page=1 > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > _______________________________________________ > >>> > > K12OSN mailing list > >>> > > K12OSN at redhat.com > >>> > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>> > > For more info see > >>> > > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > _______________________________ > >>> > Do you Yahoo!? > >>> > Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. > >>> > http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > _______________________________________________ > >>> > K12OSN mailing list > >>> > K12OSN at redhat.com > >>> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>> > For more info see > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> K12OSN mailing list > >>> K12OSN at redhat.com > >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>> For more info see > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>K12OSN mailing list > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>For more info see > > ------------------------- > This message was sent to you via DogFood < http://dogfood.ruffdogs.com/ > > Feeding your business in a dog eat dog world. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Sep 1 15:43:29 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 10:43:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Script Error with file names that have spaces In-Reply-To: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E282119C3C@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> Message-ID: <004901c4903a$6d7d5610$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > A non-quoted backslash `\' is the Bash escape character. It > preserves the literal value of the next character that > follows, with the exception of newline. If a \newline pair > appears, and the backslash itself is not quoted, the \newline > is treated as a line continuation (that is, it is removed > from the input stream and effectively ignored). > > So escape your " with a \ I must be a little slow today, I don't quite get what you are saying here. Could you insert the \ as an example in the following script? #!/bin/bash for file in /home/Drop/* do owner=$(ls -ld $file|awk '{print $3}') chown -R $owner $file Done Here is an example of the error I am getting: chown: failed to get attributes of `/home/Drop/Network': No such file or directory chown: failed to get attributes of `Trash': No such file or directory chown: failed to get attributes of `Folder': No such file or directory --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.744 / Virus Database: 496 - Release Date: 8/24/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jkinz at kinz.org Wed Sep 1 15:58:15 2004 From: jkinz at kinz.org (Jeff Kinz) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 11:58:15 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Script Error with file names that have spaces In-Reply-To: <002601c49036$0c7e6420$fb99060a@winonacotter.org>; from jim@winonacotter.org on Wed, Sep 01, 2004 at 10:12:08AM -0500 References: <002601c49036$0c7e6420$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20040901115815.A13245@redline.comcast.net> On Wed, Sep 01, 2004 at 10:12:08AM -0500, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > A while back I was provided the following script for changing > permissions on files: Put the $file in side double quotes For example: chown -R $owner "$file" Now the shell will see the entire string, including whitespace, as a single argument. So the new script looks like this: #!/bin/bash for file in /home/Drop/* do owner=$(ls -ld $file|awk '{print $3}') chown -R $owner "$file" Done Step2 - Put the genie back in the bottle. :-) (lotsa luck!) Encourage people to NEVER use spaces in their files names. I know its more readable, but as you can see, its going to be very problematic, and will break lots of existing tools. Encourage them to use an underscore instead. Wanna see how many files on the system already use spaces in their name? find / -name "* *" Rename all files w/spaces under students home dirs - find /home/students -name "* *" -exec mv {}\ `echo {} | tr " " "_"` \& (Not tested - just theory) This breaks many applications which have files w/spaces in their names as part of the package. DO NOT USE UNLESS YOU REALLY KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING!!!!!! -- Linux/Open Source. Now all your base belongs to you, for free. ============================================================ Idealism: "Realism applied over a longer time period" Jeff Kinz, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Sep 1 16:12:16 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 11:12:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Script Error with file names that have spaces In-Reply-To: <20040901115815.A13245@redline.comcast.net> Message-ID: <004a01c4903e$73007b40$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > Put the $file in side double quotes For example: > > chown -R $owner "$file" Thanks Jeff and Dave. Between both of your suggestions I now have things working again with the following: #!/bin/bash for file in /home/Drop/* do owner=$(ls -ld \ "$file"\ |awk '{print $3}') chown -R $owner \ "$file" Done This is what makes this list awesome. Thanks again. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.744 / Virus Database: 496 - Release Date: 8/24/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jritchie at bible.edu Wed Sep 1 18:42:47 2004 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Josiah Ritchie) Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 14:42:47 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Is the Remote Desktop Connection utility still around? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1094064167.25781.225.camel@penguin> try 'rdesktop ip.ad.dres.s' to see if it's already installed. JSR/ On Tue, 2004-08-31 at 21:59, Alan A Hodson wrote: > Hi folks > > I recently install V4.1 and had not had the need to use the Remote > Desktop Connection icon (was under Internet/More Internet > Applications/RDC, When I went to use it today, it wasn't there. I am > not sure if it had to do with my having skipped KDE installation, but > I need it back. I believe it was a linux version of rdesktop, and it > may be even installed. Can someone give a hand with the syntax and/or > the dloadable name/site? > > Thanks > Alan Hodson > El Paso ISD, TX > http://links.episd.org > -=o=- > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Josiah Ritchie Network Administrator Washington Bible College Capital Bible Seminary From kovalcik at orion-design.com Wed Sep 1 20:21:01 2004 From: kovalcik at orion-design.com (Tom Kovalcik) Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 16:21:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Serving profiles Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.2.20040901161310.153885c0@oriongw> Hi, I have a bunch of Win2K machines that login to a ltsp machine set up as a domain server. The users profile are served from this same machine. I am using samba for the authentication. The problem I am having is that the entire user profile is copied onto the windows machine. After logout, the files are synched back to the server, but a copy of the profile remains on the WIn2K machine. I found this when some of the Win2K machines began running out of disk space. The culprit was that there was a profile for everyone who had logged in using that machine. Also, users with a lot of data in the profile take forever to login. Is this normal procedure or did I miss a setting in my smb.conf? Tom Kovalcik Orion Design Technologies 122 Mast Road Lee, NH 03824 Phone: (603) 659-9800 x104 FAX: (603) 659-9870 kovalcik at orion-design.com Web site: http://www.orion-design.com From kovalcik at orion-design.com Wed Sep 1 20:31:28 2004 From: kovalcik at orion-design.com (Tom Kovalcik) Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 16:31:28 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Serving profiles Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.2.20040901163014.02ce54a8@oriongw> I forgot to add the details: Samba 2.2.7 and a RH9 based K12ltsp. Thanks From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Sep 1 20:38:42 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 13:38:42 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Serving profiles In-Reply-To: <6.1.1.1.2.20040901161310.153885c0@oriongw> References: <6.1.1.1.2.20040901161310.153885c0@oriongw> Message-ID: <41363352.8060200@paasda.org> I noticed some issues with forever logging in/out syncing the profiles as well... but since I'm not there in the classroom teaching...the teacher hasn't complained yet so I haven't gotten a service call to "fix" anything. But would like to know if there are some issues that I aught to be dealing with... --Huck Tom Kovalcik wrote: > Hi, > > I have a bunch of Win2K machines that login to a ltsp machine set up > as a domain server. The users profile are served from this same > machine. I am using samba for the authentication. The problem I am > having is that the entire user profile is copied onto the windows > machine. After logout, the files are synched back to the server, but a > copy of the profile remains on the WIn2K machine. I found this when > some of the Win2K machines began running out of disk space. The > culprit was that there was a profile for everyone who had logged in > using that machine. Also, users with a lot of data in the profile take > forever to login. > > Is this normal procedure or did I miss a setting in my smb.conf? > > > Tom Kovalcik > Orion Design Technologies > 122 Mast Road > Lee, NH 03824 > Phone: (603) 659-9800 x104 > FAX: (603) 659-9870 > kovalcik at orion-design.com > Web site: http://www.orion-design.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From be_j_ma at optusnet.com.au Wed Sep 1 09:50:49 2004 From: be_j_ma at optusnet.com.au (ben may) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 19:50:49 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Client Screen Resolution Message-ID: <001b01c49009$2a75b8c0$65c3a4cb@boss> Hi, how can i make my screen resolution lower for my client, at the moment it must be at 1024 x 768 or somthing as my crappy old monitors for the clients dont run that higher Res. Thanks Ben May From petre at maltzen.net Wed Sep 1 21:20:47 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 16:20:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Client Screen Resolution In-Reply-To: <001b01c49009$2a75b8c0$65c3a4cb@boss> References: <001b01c49009$2a75b8c0$65c3a4cb@boss> Message-ID: <41363D2F.1010404@maltzen.net> To my knowledge, you have to specify the resolution for a given client in the lts.conf file. This, of course, is a pain if you have a bunch of clients since you then have to have a specific config section for each such client. Typically, you have something like this in lts.conf: [ws002] # XSERVER = ati XSERVER = auto # X_MODE_0 = 1280x1024 X_MODE_0 = 1600x1200 X_HORZSYNC = 31-90 X_VERTREFRESH = 60-85 # X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "Microsoft" # X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/ttyS0" RUNLEVEL = 5 Here you can see I was fooling around with different resolutions for the client called ws002. In some places you may read that you can specify different resolutions like this: X_MODE_0 = 1280x1024 X_MODE_1 = 1600x1200 X_MODE_2 = 800x600 and then toggle between the resolutions using Ctrl-Alt-+ but I have never been able to make it work on a client; I think this only works on the console. BTW, I'm running k12ltsp 3.1.2; if you're using 4.x, things may be different (or not). Petre ben may wrote: >Hi, how can i make my screen resolution lower for my client, at the moment >it must be at 1024 x 768 or somthing as my crappy old monitors for the >clients dont run that higher Res. >Thanks > >Ben May > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From lesbell at lesbell.com.au Wed Sep 1 21:45:39 2004 From: lesbell at lesbell.com.au (Les Bell) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 07:45:39 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Serving profiles Message-ID: Huck wrote: >> I noticed some issues with forever logging in/out syncing the profiles as well... << Similar problem here; the big problem is the "Temporary Internet Files" "folder" which is part of the profile and gets uploaded and downloaded. I'm pretty sure it's possible to redirect this to a local directory so that it's not part of the roaming profile, but I haven't found the registry key that will control this (I've only had a quick flip through my "Windows XP Registry Guide" so far). To delete roaming profiles when a user logs out, the Samba HOWTO Collection, Chapter 23 "Desktop Profile Management", recommends creating a registry key as follows: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\winlogon\"DeleteRoamingCache"=dword:00000000 With this set, the local copy of the profile will be deleted on logout. (Aside: on first glannce, it looked to me as though that's bass-ackwards: normally 0 is false and 1 is true, so I would have expected the setting to be dword:00000001. It's been a while since I set this up and I recall fiddling with the setting - I'd recommend trying the different values and doing some testing). Best, --- Les Bell, RHCE, CISSP [http://www.lesbell.com.au] From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Sep 1 21:55:14 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 14:55:14 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] another samba thing? Message-ID: <41364542.4020007@paasda.org> In checking /var/log/messages I noticed this: Sep 1 14:38:27 ltsp smbd[27349]: get_domain_user_groups: primary gid of user [USERNAME] is not a Domain group ! Sep 1 14:38:27 ltsp smbd[27349]: get_domain_user_groups: You should fix it, NT doesn't like that Anyone have any sort of insight? using samba as the PDC for XP Pro lab... what does NT care what my linux user's GID is? --Huck From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Sep 1 22:04:34 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 18:04:34 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] any NX plans for K12LTSP? In-Reply-To: <20040901144932.80AEF119E36@dogfood.ruffdogs.com> References: <20040901144932.80AEF119E36@dogfood.ruffdogs.com> Message-ID: Can you post a how-to for us? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Sep 1 22:06:28 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 18:06:28 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] any NX plans for K12LTSP? In-Reply-To: <1094052269.15703.38.camel@austinsr.isdesktop.uindy.edu> References: <20040901144932.80AEF119E36@dogfood.ruffdogs.com> <1094052269.15703.38.camel@austinsr.isdesktop.uindy.edu> Message-ID: I would love to try this...can someone post a how-to on how to get FreeNX running with a K12LTSP environment? I would also appreciate the LDAP piece as I use a Samba/LDAP server for authentication. *Please?* "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, September 01, 2004 at 11:24 AM +0000 wrote: >Please igonre the first email...Sorry about that. >Here is a quick and easy way to use ldap with FreeNX. > >I couldn't get the formatting correct in Evolution, so here is a link to >a text document with the new cmd_adduser() function in it. > >http://sauron.is.uindy.edu/nx/ldap.txt David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Sep 1 22:10:32 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 18:10:32 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] any NX plans for K12LTSP? In-Reply-To: <20040901044555.GA12647@mcquil.com> References: <4134D642.8040708@czexan.net> < > <20040901042958.40711.qmail@web12106.mail.yahoo.com> <20040901044555.GA12647@mcquil.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, September 01, 2004 at 12:45 AM +0000 wrote: > run rdesktop > as a session Hi Jim! Can you expand on this a little? I'm just getting started with playing around with Windows Terminal Server 2003 in my K12LTSP environment....works fine except for some things I need to figure out. I'm curious though as to how you accomplish the seperate session thing. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From mguerra at cariari.ucr.ac.cr Wed Sep 1 22:11:35 2004 From: mguerra at cariari.ucr.ac.cr (Mario Guerra) Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 16:11:35 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] any NX plans for K12LTSP? In-Reply-To: References: <4134D642.8040708@czexan.net> < > <20040901042958.40711.qmail@web12106.mail.yahoo.com> <20040901044555.GA12647@mcquil.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 18:10:32 -0400, David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Wednesday, September 01, 2004 at 12:45 AM +0000 wrote: >> run rdesktop >> as a session > > Hi Jim! > > Can you expand on this a little? I'm just getting started with playing > around with Windows Terminal Server 2003 in my K12LTSP > environment....works fine except for some things I need to figure out. > I'm curious though as to how you accomplish the seperate session thing. > > I can. "rdesktop" is an open-source Windows Terminal Services client. You type: rdesktop and you happily have a Windows session in an X window. You can also use "tsclient", which is a wrapper around both "rdesktop" and VNC. Mario Guerra -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Sep 1 22:53:32 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 18:53:32 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP and Windows Terminal Server 2003 Message-ID: Ok, My K12LTSP network is running fantastic thus far....no issues yet with 4.1. I'm trying to figure out how to integrate Windows 2003 server (Terminal Server) into all this. Several questions: First I can get it to work and it works well....but....I'm wondering about the following... If I use the -s option to try and limit to one particular program like MS Word (winword.exe) then Windows won't let me open it prior to login....I think I use something like this rdesktop -f -d midnight -a 16 -s winword.exe 10.0.6.254 the above command will work with programs like notepad, but not any of the Office products....is there a way to make that part work? The sound is choppy and at times unusable...has anyone found any secrets to making the sound work better? I invoke it with rdesktop -f -d midnight -a 16 -r sound 10.0.6.254 Any ideas, hints...etc are appreciated....I honestly think this will allow me to start going completely with thin clients and ditching desktop machines. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk Wed Sep 1 22:51:39 2004 From: gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk (Gavin Spurgeon) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 23:51:39 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] NEW HOWTO - Make Icons Appear on Desktops on a Per Group Basis Message-ID: <000a01c49076$3de51320$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Hi List.... Yup, here is another one of my HOWTOz & a little about it... You can find the HOWTO @ http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net/ and look down on the left hand side of the page for the Managing Desktop Icons per Group link... Here is a description of the HOWTO... This HOWTO was conceived after a need for certain Desktop Icons to appear for users in a certain group, For example I have a desktop icon for resetting users passwords. Now as I'm sure you can guess, I only want this on the desktop of users in the IS Department & not every Joe's Desktop. I also have a Desktop Icon that our Maths Department Staff need to use... Again not every Joe needs this app, so the script I made up below will check if the logging on user is a member of a certain group, if so make the Icon appear on the users Desktop, But if they are Not a member of the group, make sure the Icon is Not on the users Desktop. Best Regards Gavin Spurgeon Assistant Systems Administrator gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tel: 01322 620400 DDI: 01322 620501 IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 ############################################# Unofficial K12LTSP HOWTOz & Extraz Site (http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net) ############################################# From samps at redjocks.com Wed Sep 1 22:55:33 2004 From: samps at redjocks.com (Samps) Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 08:25:33 +0930 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP and Windows Terminal Server 2003 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41365365.4060605@redjocks.com> David Trask wrote: >rdesktop -f -d midnight -a 16 -s winword.exe 10.0.6.254 > >the above command will work with programs like notepad, but not any of the >Office products....is there a way to make that part work? > > >David N. Trask > > David, Just a thought..... can you invoke a program launch by requesting a filetype to be opened? Like: rdesktop -f -d midnight -a 16 -s blank_doc.doc 10.0.6.254 and use Windows' file association behaviour to make it open winword.exe (or whatever program is associated with .DOC). cheers Samps From tim.scholten at gmail.com Wed Sep 1 23:15:48 2004 From: tim.scholten at gmail.com (Tim Scholten) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 16:15:48 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP and Windows Terminal Server 2003 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What I have setup is a a user account for each program that is run on the 2003 server. In the properties for that user, told it to open the program when the user logs in. Then on the Linux server made a icon on the desktop that connects to the 2003, and opens the program; when they close the program they are disconnected from the session. Making it look like the program is being run on Linux. rdesktop -u username -p password 192.168.0.3 I have had some problems getting the users to save work back to their home folders, because permissions are based on user names. On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 18:53:32 -0400, David Trask wrote: > Ok, > > My K12LTSP network is running fantastic thus far....no issues yet with > 4.1. I'm trying to figure out how to integrate Windows 2003 server > (Terminal Server) into all this. Several questions: > > First I can get it to work and it works well....but....I'm wondering about > the following... > > If I use the -s option to try and limit to one particular program like MS > Word (winword.exe) then Windows won't let me open it prior to login....I > think I use something like this > > rdesktop -f -d midnight -a 16 -s winword.exe 10.0.6.254 > > the above command will work with programs like notepad, but not any of the > Office products....is there a way to make that part work? > > The sound is choppy and at times unusable...has anyone found any secrets > to making the sound work better? > > I invoke it with > > rdesktop -f -d midnight -a 16 -r sound 10.0.6.254 > > Any ideas, hints...etc are appreciated....I honestly think this will allow > me to start going completely with thin clients and ditching desktop > machines. > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dgough at papcs.com Wed Sep 1 23:42:58 2004 From: dgough at papcs.com (Doug Gough) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 16:42:58 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP and Windows Terminal Server 2003 Message-ID: <04890E6F0AD2AC4B9DB5B6D6D4462E848F76CB@xms.papcs.com> Intriguing idea. How about this.... Make several rdp icons on the linux user's desktop, each one calling a different batch file on the 2003 server, but logging in with the regular user's credentials. The batch files would launch the application. Kinda hard to explain, but something like this: rdp 111.222.333.444 -s nameofbatchfile.bat This way (I'm kinda groping in the dark) wouldn't the person be asked for normal authentication, but then automatically run the batch file after they log in? If the batch files contained the commands to start your program, then you could have several rdp icons on the user's desktop that called different batch files to launch different programs.....maybe....I haven't actually tried this. Doug Gough -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Tim Scholten Sent: September 1, 2004 4:16 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP and Windows Terminal Server 2003 What I have setup is a a user account for each program that is run on the 2003 server. In the properties for that user, told it to open the program when the user logs in. Then on the Linux server made a icon on the desktop that connects to the 2003, and opens the program; when they close the program they are disconnected from the session. Making it look like the program is being run on Linux. rdesktop -u username -p password 192.168.0.3 I have had some problems getting the users to save work back to their home folders, because permissions are based on user names. On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 18:53:32 -0400, David Trask wrote: > Ok, > > My K12LTSP network is running fantastic thus far....no issues yet with > 4.1. I'm trying to figure out how to integrate Windows 2003 server > (Terminal Server) into all this. Several questions: > > First I can get it to work and it works well....but....I'm wondering about > the following... > > If I use the -s option to try and limit to one particular program like MS > Word (winword.exe) then Windows won't let me open it prior to login....I > think I use something like this > > rdesktop -f -d midnight -a 16 -s winword.exe 10.0.6.254 > > the above command will work with programs like notepad, but not any of the > Office products....is there a way to make that part work? > > The sound is choppy and at times unusable...has anyone found any secrets > to making the sound work better? > > I invoke it with > > rdesktop -f -d midnight -a 16 -r sound 10.0.6.254 > > Any ideas, hints...etc are appreciated....I honestly think this will allow > me to start going completely with thin clients and ditching desktop > machines. > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From ddaniels at magic.fr Wed Sep 1 23:56:56 2004 From: ddaniels at magic.fr (Dennis Daniels) Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 16:56:56 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Script Error with file names that have spaces In-Reply-To: <004a01c4903e$73007b40$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> References: <004a01c4903e$73007b40$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <413661C8.4010401@magic.fr> Jim, I'd like to post this script to a couple of wikis, http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Shell_scripts and to my own... I'm trying to flesh out scripts for teacher/sys-admins http://dennisgdaniels.com/tiki-index.php?page=Teacher+Sys+Admin and here: http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/HomePage I checked for a ltsp wiki and found this one: http://www.openbrick.org/wiki/ltsp/FrontPage but no wiki for ltsp. What do you think, is it okay by you? Dennis Jim Kronebusch wrote: >>Put the $file in side double quotes For example: >> >> chown -R $owner "$file" > > > Thanks Jeff and Dave. Between both of your suggestions I now have > things working again with the following: > > #!/bin/bash > for file in /home/Drop/* > do owner=$(ls -ld \ > "$file"\ > |awk '{print $3}') > chown -R $owner \ > "$file" > Done > > > This is what makes this list awesome. > > Thanks again. > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.744 / Virus Database: 496 - Release Date: 8/24/2004 > > > From ddaniels at magic.fr Thu Sep 2 00:05:13 2004 From: ddaniels at magic.fr (Dennis Daniels) Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 17:05:13 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] NEW HOWTO - Make Icons Appear on Desktops on a Per Group Basis In-Reply-To: <000a01c49076$3de51320$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> References: <000a01c49076$3de51320$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Message-ID: <413663B9.4090907@magic.fr> Thanks for the link! Great tutorials! Dennis > Yup, here is another one of my HOWTOz & a little about it... > > You can find the HOWTO @ http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net/ and look > down on the left hand side of the page for the Managing Desktop Icons per > Group > link... Here is a description of the HOWTO... > > This HOWTO was conceived after a need for certain Desktop Icons > to appear for users in a certain group, For example I have a desktop > icon for resetting users passwords. Now as I'm sure you can guess, > I only want this on the desktop of users in the IS Department & not > every Joe's Desktop. I also have a Desktop Icon that our Maths > Department Staff need to use... Again not every Joe needs this app, > so the script I made up below will check if the logging on user is a member > of a certain group, if so make the Icon appear on the users Desktop, > But if they are Not a member of the group, make sure the Icon is Not > on the users Desktop. > > Best Regards > > > Gavin Spurgeon > Assistant Systems Administrator > gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk > http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk > Tel: 01322 620400 > DDI: 01322 620501 > IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 > > ############################################# > > Unofficial K12LTSP HOWTOz & Extraz Site > (http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net) > > ############################################# > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From ddaniels at magic.fr Thu Sep 2 00:23:10 2004 From: ddaniels at magic.fr (Dennis Daniels) Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 17:23:10 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] How to remove blackjack from student computers? In-Reply-To: <9326098004082201137b6e042e@mail.gmail.com> References: <5003.66.82.9.74.1093050510.squirrel@_default_> <9326098004082201137b6e042e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <413667EE.8070003@magic.fr> Can I post this on the web on some wikis? This little ditty is very helpful! Dennis Jay Pfaffman wrote: > You could probably do it with synaptic & do a search for "game," but > I'm a command-line guy. Here's how I'd approach the problem: > > Where is blackjack anyway? > > $which blackjack > /usr/bin/blackjack > > OK. What package has blackjack? > > $rpm -q --whatprovides /usr/bin/blackjack > gnome-games-2.4.0-3 > > Got it. Now let's remove it: > > $rpm -e gnome-games > > > On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 20:08:30 -0500 (CDT), Jerome Edwards > wrote: > >>Can anyone tell me how to remove blackjack and poker from K12LTSP 4.1.0? I >>looked but didn't see them in the add/remove program. Our principals are >>requiring the games be removed or we have to cancel using K12LTSP. > > From ddaniels at magic.fr Thu Sep 2 00:31:06 2004 From: ddaniels at magic.fr (Dennis Daniels) Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 17:31:06 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Experience at Glenburn this week. In-Reply-To: References: <328B12F9-F2A9-11D8-9C25-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> < > <, > < > <1093042240.2306.4.camel@server.ltsp> < > <, > < > <, > < > <41268BBE.2090609@paasda.org> <, > < > <, > Message-ID: <413669CA.7000508@magic.fr> Hiya, Can I post the keys bits of this conversation to a couple of wikis? Searching the Redhat archives is a lesson in futility unfortunately, so I'm trying to capture what I can in documentation. best Dennis David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." > writes: > >>Thanks, I will try a different session type. So, are you finding a >>noticeable speed increase with IceVM? We had a good time this week. But, >>now I think I need to get better a tweaking the process. >> >>Our server is 2 xeon processors, somewhere over 2.5 gig, and 4 Gig of >>memory., we had a lab of 28, a lab of 14, and a lab of 7 this week. Most >>times we had about around 35-40 teachers on at the same time. For the >>most part we go good performance. A couple of the major issues >> >>1) Occassional Lockups -- some of the orphan process variety, where if I >>logged on as root, I could see the user's process, using the ps -u >>username command and I could kill processes to get them unlocked >>But the problem lockup was when I did a ps -u username command and nothing >>showed, yet the user's station was locked up. At that point we did reboot >>the specific client. But, while it wasn't terrible, we did get a couple >>to 3 per 1 1/2 class session. And then sometimes we got a person who just >>seemed to lock them up several machines in a row, and that was after I >>check to see if they had active processes before they logged in again. > > > Have you enabled "purge-users"? Go to /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux and > run the gdm-kdm purge user script....also open it in a text editor and it > will tell you that you need to go to /etc/sysconfig/k12ltsp and change the > line about purging users from "no" to "yes". It kills any remaining > processes when a user logs off or when they do a terminal reboot. Very > cool. We had a lengthy discussion about it and the list basically came up > with it (with Eric's help of course) after trying several other > "not-so-nice" methods. > >> >>2) Some slowdowns. We hit a wall today when we were teaching First Class, >>I couldn't even log on the main server as root it go so slow. I had to >>have one lab log off and just watch the instructor demonstrate. I wish >>they would upgrade the Linux First Class beta client, wow is it buggy, but >>our staff lives and dies by first class. And the web version is still >>clunky. > > > The web version of 8.0 is awesome...looks just like the client...you > gotta' check it out! I agree...in 7.1 the web interface is clunky, but in > 8.0 it's very slick. You have a desktop and everything! PS. Version 16 > beta is less crash prone than version 17. > >> >>Maybe we should switch to icevm. I hate to switch the faculty after this >>great week of work, but I guess they mostly use the education menu, Open >>Office, mozilla and First class, so if I modify the IceVM menu to reflect >>those, we would be in good shape. > > > You can modify IceWM to your hearts content....use IceMC 'icemc" already > should be installed. Disregard the first error message and navigate to > /usr/share/icewm and edit the menu file. Very cool. I also like IceCC > or icecc google and download it....it too is slick. > >> >>other "best practices" tips to improve server performance. > > > Use gigabit! Do you have gigabit cards in the server? If not you NEED > them. Are you coming out of the server and into a gigabit switch? If not > you NEED to! The difference is astronomical! Amer.com has great deals on > gig switches and gig uplink switches.....I use several of the SR24G2 > switches. > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From ddaniels at magic.fr Thu Sep 2 00:38:02 2004 From: ddaniels at magic.fr (Dennis Daniels) Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 17:38:02 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] nautilus In-Reply-To: <1093116675.16115.87.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <20040821112035.HMRL24693.mta13.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> <1093116675.16115.87.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <41366B6A.8010509@magic.fr> > > It is the native file manger for the gnome desktop. > Double-click the 'home' folder icon and you are running > nautilus. But if you are going to do this often, wouldn't > it be better to write a little script that takes the file > name as an option and copies it to all the right places? Les, Any tips on what that script would look like? Do you have one in your history file you can share? I'm thinking about homework assignments, links to shared folders and the like. I'm an English teacher and could use a little help. :) Dennis > > --- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From ddaniels at magic.fr Thu Sep 2 00:46:40 2004 From: ddaniels at magic.fr (Dennis Daniels) Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 17:46:40 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] 'who' lies about users... In-Reply-To: <1093926873.13442.1.camel@server.ltsp> References: <200408301450.i7UEonS8010494@mail47.nsc.no> <1093881223.4683.1.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> <1093926873.13442.1.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <41366D70.2060209@magic.fr> Hello, Can I post these script tidbits to a couple of wikis? I'm trying to put together the 'most-needed' scripts for a teahcer/sys-admin running LTSP. I there a list policy regarding reposting, esp. on a wiki? best Dennis Sudev Barar wrote: > On Mon, 2004-08-30 at 21:23, Dan Young wrote: > >>On Mon, 2004-08-30 at 07:50, Trond M?hlum wrote: >>Try: >> >>$ last | grep "still logged in" > > > $last | grep "still logged in" | cut -f 1 -d " " | uniq | wc -l > Is still better but the original question still remains why w wont > report?? From sudev at mantraonline.com Thu Sep 2 01:09:13 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 06:39:13 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Experience at Glenburn this week. In-Reply-To: <413669CA.7000508@magic.fr> References: <328B12F9-F2A9-11D8-9C25-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> < > <, > < > <1093042240.2306.4.camel@server.ltsp> < > <, > < > <, > < > <41268BBE.2090609@paasda.org> <, > < > <, > <413669CA.7000508@magic.fr> Message-ID: <1094087353.3686.1.camel@roop.ltsp> On Thu, 2004-09-02 at 06:01, Dennis Daniels wrote: > Hiya, > Can I post the keys bits of this conversation to a couple of wikis? > Searching the Redhat archives is a lesson in futility unfortunately, so > I'm trying to capture what I can in documentation. Good idea. I benefited from the point below about purge scripts. I missed it in the original post and Archives are pain. How about one making IceWM default? etc. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From sudev at mantraonline.com Thu Sep 2 01:14:36 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 06:44:36 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Client Screen Resolution In-Reply-To: <41363D2F.1010404@maltzen.net> References: <001b01c49009$2a75b8c0$65c3a4cb@boss> <41363D2F.1010404@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1094087676.3686.7.camel@roop.ltsp> On Thu, 2004-09-02 at 02:50, Petre Scheie wrote: > To my knowledge, you have to specify the resolution for a given client > in the lts.conf file. This, of course, is a pain if you have a bunch of > clients since you then have to have a specific config section for each > such client. Typically, you have something like this in lts.conf: > > [ws002] > # XSERVER = ati > XSERVER = auto > # X_MODE_0 = 1280x1024 > X_MODE_0 = 1600x1200 > X_HORZSYNC = 31-90 > X_VERTREFRESH = 60-85 > # X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "Microsoft" > # X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/ttyS0" > RUNLEVEL = 5 > > Here you can see I was fooling around with different resolutions for the > client called ws002. In some places you may read that you can specify > different resolutions like this: > > X_MODE_0 = 1280x1024 > X_MODE_1 = 1600x1200 > X_MODE_2 = 800x600 > For really crappy monitors even 640x480 mode may be needed. How memory on your display card? If it is less than 1mb then you can only get 640x480! Sometimes you may have to specify the entire mode line including sync rates etc. Look at the top of lts.conf file on standard k12ltsp install and try using the lines with lower frequency by copying them into the section for relevant terminal. HTH -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From sudev at mantraonline.com Thu Sep 2 01:59:34 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 07:29:34 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] 'who' lies about users... In-Reply-To: <41366D70.2060209@magic.fr> References: <200408301450.i7UEonS8010494@mail47.nsc.no> <1093881223.4683.1.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> <1093926873.13442.1.camel@server.ltsp> <41366D70.2060209@magic.fr> Message-ID: <1094090373.3863.2.camel@roop.ltsp> On Thu, 2004-09-02 at 06:16, Dennis Daniels wrote: > Hello, > Can I post these script tidbits to a couple of wikis? I'm trying to put > together the 'most-needed' scripts for a teahcer/sys-admin running LTSP. > > I there a list policy regarding reposting, esp. on a wiki? > best > Dennis I do not think any one will mind as it is all open source support. I will support. > > > > $last | grep "still logged in" | cut -f 1 -d " " | uniq | wc -l > > Is still better but the original question still remains why w wont > > report?? Further improvement if you use: $last |grep "still logged in" |cut -f 1 =d " " |sort |uniq | wc -l -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From jam at mcquil.com Thu Sep 2 03:08:46 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 23:08:46 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] any NX plans for K12LTSP? In-Reply-To: References: <4134D642.8040708@czexan.net> <20040901042958.40711.qmail@web12106.mail.yahoo.com> <20040901044555.GA12647@mcquil.com> Message-ID: <20040902030846.GA30934@mcquil.com> On Wed, Sep 01, 2004 at 06:10:32PM -0400, David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Wednesday, September 01, 2004 at 12:45 AM +0000 wrote: > > run rdesktop > > as a session > > Hi Jim! > > Can you expand on this a little? I'm just getting started with playing > around with Windows Terminal Server 2003 in my K12LTSP > environment....works fine except for some things I need to figure out. > I'm curious though as to how you accomplish the seperate session thing. David, With ltsp-4.1, you can setup a session to just run rdesktop. Try setting: SCREEN_01 = rdesktop [options] server_address Notice that you can set any rdesktop options that you want right on that line, and the last thing should be the address of your windows server. I think the address can either be a name or ip. When you do this, and boot the thin client, it will go directly to a windows server, and give you a login prompt from that server. No X window manager, no Linux login, all they would see is a windows login. It's very handy for giving people access to their windows servers. So basically, you'd be using LTSP to act as a Windows Based Terminal (WBT). It's better than a WBT, because you can run multiple instances of rdesktop. For instance, you could do this: SCREEN_01 = rdesktop server_address SCREEN_02 = rdesktop server_address That will give you two sessions into your windows server (or sessions into different windows servers, if you specify different addresses). You can flip between the sessions by hitting Ctrl-Alt-F1 and Ctrl-Alt-F2. But wait, there's more....... You can also have multiple X sessions, the same way: SCREEN_01 = startx SCREEN_02 = startx And, you can mix-n-match them: SCREEN_01 = rdesktop server_address SCREEN_02 = startx This will give you both an rdesktop session and an X session that you could hot-key between, using Ctrl-Alt-F1 and Ctrl-Alt-F2. Does that help ? Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 From rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us Thu Sep 2 03:36:16 2004 From: rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us (Rick O'Dell) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 22:36:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Spam Assassin blacklist In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks I'll check it out... Rick O'Dell Net Work Administrator Bakersfield R4 School Dst. Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Matt Alexander Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 12:55 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Spam Assassin blacklist On Tue, 31 Aug 2004, Rick O'Dell wrote: > Hi folks, I have a question. I have a fedora box running postfix, Mail > Scanner and Spam Assassin. We are getting tons of Spam and I would like to > setup a blacklist that would block those ip's, the problem is, I don't know > how. I am new to Linux, new to Postfix, and Mail Scanner. There is some info > in the mail scanner conf. but I need more of a step by step. > Any Info will be appreciated. > Thanks, > Rick. There's a lot you can do with Postfix to cut down on SPAM sources before it even gets to SpamAssassin using Postfix's UCE commands. There's a bazillion HOWTO's on the net, but here's a good place to start: http://www.postfix.org/docs.html _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.262 / Virus Database: 264.7.5 - Release Date: 9/1/2004 -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.262 / Virus Database: 264.7.5 - Release Date: 9/1/2004 From garnold at unrealsolutions.com Thu Sep 2 04:27:39 2004 From: garnold at unrealsolutions.com (Glenn Arnold) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 00:27:39 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] another samba thing? Message-ID: Why samba is complaining about is your user primary unix group is not mapped in samba. My root account was giving the same error, because the root unix group was not mapped in Samba. Before I would just map the root group to the Samba Domain Admins group, but since I am using LDAP the group already exist in Unix, so to get rid of the error when I login in as root I mapped the root group in samba. That I know off I have not seen an major problems with this error, but it is annoying to see it in the log. -Glenn -----Original Message----- From: Huck [mailto:dhuckaby at paasda.org] Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 5:55 PM To: K12ltsp Subject: [K12OSN] another samba thing? In checking /var/log/messages I noticed this: Sep 1 14:38:27 ltsp smbd[27349]: get_domain_user_groups: primary gid of user [USERNAME] is not a Domain group ! Sep 1 14:38:27 ltsp smbd[27349]: get_domain_user_groups: You should fix it, NT doesn't like that Anyone have any sort of insight? using samba as the PDC for XP Pro lab... what does NT care what my linux user's GID is? --Huck _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From bimalp at indoasian.com Thu Sep 2 04:41:10 2004 From: bimalp at indoasian.com (bimal pandit) Date: 02 Sep 2004 10:11:10 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Client Screen Resolution In-Reply-To: <001b01c49009$2a75b8c0$65c3a4cb@boss> References: <001b01c49009$2a75b8c0$65c3a4cb@boss> Message-ID: <1094100069.5968.17.camel@server.ltsp> Dear Ben, for this you need to add [ws008] X_MODE_0 = 800x600 type entries in case per workstation, or [Deafault] X_MODE_0 = 800x600 for all, also you may require to mention frequencies, for that use, X_HORZSYNC X_VERTREFRESH parameters and also check the video RAM you have as this will effect your font size. hope this will help bimal On Wed, 2004-09-01 at 15:20, ben may wrote: > Hi, how can i make my screen resolution lower for my client, at the moment > it must be at 1024 x 768 or somthing as my crappy old monitors for the > clients dont run that higher Res. > Thanks > > Ben May > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From info at proex-india.com Thu Sep 2 05:01:59 2004 From: info at proex-india.com (info) Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 10:31:59 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Rdesktop getting reset Message-ID: <200409020502.i8252GS0020507@mx1.redhat.com> Hello, I am facing a problem of rdesktop getting disconnected regularly without given error from Kde desktop. I can reconnect and get the things back, but the disconnection is happening regularly. what could be the problem, any issue of screen saver in KDE? it only happens with rdesktop all other applications on Linux are working fine. Regards K.dinesh *********************************************************************** In a World Without Fences Who Needs GATES ? *********************************************************************** This message and any attached files will have been checked with virus detection software before transmission. However, recipients must carry out their own virus checks before opening any attachment. Company accepts no liability for any loss or damage, which may be caused by software viruses. *********************************************************************** From arnelgp at aiias.edu Thu Sep 2 05:34:00 2004 From: arnelgp at aiias.edu (Arnel G. Pastrana) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 13:34:00 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP or ltsp users in the philppines? Message-ID: <000901c490ae$7396abe0$9f02a8c0@aiias.edu> Hi, May i know if there are ltsp or k12ltsp users here from the Philippines? Anyone? please email me offline: HYPERLINK "mailto:arnelgp!@aiias.edu"arnelgp!@aiias.edu Lets make a group in the Philppines and may be contribute in the field of Ecuation Thank you, Arnel --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.742 / Virus Database: 495 - Release Date: 8/19/2004 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les at futuresource.com Thu Sep 2 05:37:28 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 00:37:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] nautilus In-Reply-To: <41366B6A.8010509@magic.fr> References: <20040821112035.HMRL24693.mta13.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> <1093116675.16115.87.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <41366B6A.8010509@magic.fr> Message-ID: <1094103447.8966.18.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-09-01 at 19:38, Dennis Daniels wrote: > > But if you are going to do this often, wouldn't > > it be better to write a little script that takes the file > > name as an option and copies it to all the right places? > Les, > Any tips on what that script would look like? Do you have one in your > history file you can share? I'm thinking about homework assignments, > links to shared folders and the like. I'm an English teacher and could > use a little help. :) Shell scripts generally do simple text substitutions to create the same command line you would type yourself for a command. Something like: #!/bin/sh FILE=$1 for DEST in `cat list` do mkdir /home/$DEST/homework 2>/dev/null cp -v $FILE /home/$DEST/homework/ done would take a file named on the command line and deliver it to the homework folder in each of the destinations listed in a file literally named 'list' which can be space delimited or on separate lines. It is worth spending some time reading the bash man page to see how the variable substitution works. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From bimalp at indoasian.com Thu Sep 2 06:38:30 2004 From: bimalp at indoasian.com (bimal pandit) Date: 02 Sep 2004 12:08:30 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] recovery and scroll mouse... Message-ID: <1094107110.10697.33.camel@server.ltsp> Dear All, i had few queries as i am still lokking for some solution on these :- i am using ltsp-3.0.2 on redhat linux 9.0 1)since my users(Thin Client Nodes) are working on the server(LTSP-model), and suddenly due to power fluctuation(though we have UPS) sometimes UPS could not handle it and system gets rebooted, in this situation the files which were opened and in which the user was working(has not saved) also gets lost, but since the server is still up and running perfectly , how can i retrieve their data. for e.g. a user was working in openoffice on a document "abc.doc" now he has done various editing partin it but has not saved and suddenly system(his) goes down, but as the processes are running on the server how can i reterieve his file as it was?? also is there a way to do it auto save after every say 30 sec.??, which could also save a bit of prob. 2)also how can i make use of scroll button of mouse for my clients, as we can do for normal system using in XF86config "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" hope someone has the answer or a pointer to it. regards, bimal From andyr at wizzy.com Thu Sep 2 06:41:32 2004 From: andyr at wizzy.com (Andy Rabagliati) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 08:41:32 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Client Screen Resolution In-Reply-To: <1094100069.5968.17.camel@server.ltsp> References: <001b01c49009$2a75b8c0$65c3a4cb@boss> <1094100069.5968.17.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <20040902064132.GC2522@wizzy.com> On Thu, 02 Sep 2004, bimal pandit wrote: > also you may require to mention frequencies, for that use, > > X_HORZSYNC > > X_VERTREFRESH > > parameters and also check the video RAM you have as this will effect > your font size. I find X_HORZSYNC to be the useful one to drop - the default is mentioned in lts.conf.readme. Just drop the top limit down a little bit and let X find a good screen resolution for you. If you have old Cirrus cards, you might have to set the color depth to 8. Cheers, Andy! From debbieschiel at hotmail.com Thu Sep 2 10:26:17 2004 From: debbieschiel at hotmail.com (Debbie Schiel) Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 10:26:17 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP or ltsp users in the philppines? Message-ID: I was wondering the same, are there any schools in Queensland using K12LTSP? Is there a list of schools using K12LTSP? Then after a search found http://seul.org/~jennifer/osschools/SchoolCount.html and http://casestudy.seul.org/cgi-bin/caseview0.pl Both are useful, but they are just lists of schools in no particular order. I was hoping to find one organised geographically so that schools in one area can look up their area and find the nearest school to them - who may then be able to offer some support in setting up K12ltsp. Does a list like this exist? Thanks, Debbie ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Arnel G. Pastrana" Reply-To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." To: Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP or ltsp users in the philppines? Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 13:34:00 +0800 Hi, May i know if there are ltsp or k12ltsp users here from the Philippines? Anyone? please email me offline: HYPERLINK "mailto:arnelgp!@aiias.edu"arnelgp!@aiias.edu Lets make a group in the Philppines and may be contribute in the field of Ecuation Thank you, Arnel --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.742 / Virus Database: 495 - Release Date: 8/19/2004 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool new emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/myemo From be_j_ma at optusnet.com.au Wed Sep 1 23:45:46 2004 From: be_j_ma at optusnet.com.au (ben may) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 09:45:46 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Client Screen Resolution |DONE| References: <20040902102635.8F88773594@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <001201c4907d$cfd65b20$f2df1dd3@boss> Yes, I found it in the .conf file that a few of you pointed to me. i copied a slice out of the egsample and made the required alterations in the [default] area. Thanks all who helped, Ben May From bimalp at indoasian.com Thu Sep 2 11:28:01 2004 From: bimalp at indoasian.com (bimal pandit) Date: 02 Sep 2004 16:58:01 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Client Screen Resolution |DONE| In-Reply-To: <001201c4907d$cfd65b20$f2df1dd3@boss> References: <20040902102635.8F88773594@hormel.redhat.com> <001201c4907d$cfd65b20$f2df1dd3@boss> Message-ID: <1094124481.21184.0.camel@server.ltsp> Congrats!! bimal On Thu, 2004-09-02 at 05:15, ben may wrote: > Yes, I found it in the .conf file that a few of you pointed to me. > i copied a slice out of the egsample and made the required alterations in > the [default] area. > Thanks all who helped, > > Ben May > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From pmarques at med.up.pt Thu Sep 2 10:31:45 2004 From: pmarques at med.up.pt (Pedro Marques) Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 12:31:45 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: LTSP+openmosix In-Reply-To: <1094124481.21184.0.camel@server.ltsp> References: <20040902102635.8F88773594@hormel.redhat.com> <001201c4907d$cfd65b20$f2df1dd3@boss> <1094124481.21184.0.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.1.20040902123049.01a1bec0@mail.med.up.pt> Hello I am trying to use a k12ltsp along with openmosix. I have used the k12ltsp 4.0 cd for initial instalation and the the openmosix-2.4.22-openmosix3 rpm for patching. Everything works fine for both ltsp+openmosix server and ltsp clients . Now i wanted to make also the ltsp thin clients nodes of openmosix server. For that i tryed to recompile the clients kernel but couldn't manage to find a kernel configuration suitable for building the clients kernel , can you give me any help or point me to the right direction. I new onto kernel compilation so it can also be a result of inexperience. Should i use a expecif kernel for the clients, and which configuration file should i use? Thanks in advance Pedro Marques From lug at phxlinux.org Thu Sep 2 13:10:34 2004 From: lug at phxlinux.org (Matt Alexander) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 06:10:34 -0700 (MST) Subject: [K12OSN] Rdesktop getting reset In-Reply-To: <200409020502.i8252GS0020507@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200409020502.i8252GS0020507@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Sep 2004, info wrote: > Hello, > I am facing a problem of rdesktop getting disconnected regularly without > given error from Kde desktop. > I can reconnect and get the things back, but the disconnection is > happening regularly. > > what could be the problem, any issue of screen saver in KDE? > it only happens with rdesktop all other applications on Linux are > working fine. I've seen this behavior on older versions of rdesktop. Do you have the latest version installed? http://www.rdesktop.org From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Sep 2 13:23:26 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 08:23:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Script Error with file names that have spaces In-Reply-To: <413661C8.4010401@magic.fr> Message-ID: <001301c490f0$07616270$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > Jim, > I'd like to post this script to a couple of wikis, > What do you think, is it okay by you? > Dennis No problem. I will just give you a quick background of what I use the script for. We have a folder on the server called "Drop". Inside this is a folders for each teacher such as "Teacher1" and "Teacher2". Inside each teachers folders is a folder for each of their classes "Class1" and "Class2". The teachers are set as both owner and group for all of their folders, and other is allowed list and write privileges to the class folders and read priveleges to the teacher folders. That way a student can navigate to a specific class and drop their homework into the respective folder but not see any other work turned in by other students. Only problem with this is that the student is the owner of the files that are dropped. This messes with the teachers being able to view the homework and with the student quotas since they are unable to remove this files in the future. That is where the script comes in. The script is run by Cron every minute to take the priveleges of the enclosing folders and assign them to any file within those folders. That way after a maximum of one minute after the student turns in their assignments the respective teacher becomes the owner of the assignments. Now the students quota is releived and the teachers quota is affected (making them responsible for cleaning out the folders) and they have permissions to view/edit the assignments. I will have to check out the sites you listed and see what goodies are out there. Thanks --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.744 / Virus Database: 496 - Release Date: 8/24/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Thu Sep 2 13:53:35 2004 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 08:53:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Microsoft Terminal Services Message-ID: <413725DF.1090208@honeygroveisd.net> Help me on my thinking here. If I needed to allow my users access to a Windows environment, I could use Microsoft Terminal Services and rdesktop, right? Now, since all of my users would be connecting through a single machine (the K12LTSP server), does that mean I would only need to buy one Client Access License? Then I could give all my users access to that "killer app." which only runs on Windows in a thin-client environment at very little cost. Is that right, or am I all wet? -- C-ya, Mark ____ "If all men knew what others say of them, there would not be four friends in the world." -- Blaise Pascal From smoogen at lanl.gov Thu Sep 2 14:03:26 2004 From: smoogen at lanl.gov (Stephen J Smoogen) Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 08:03:26 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] How to remove blackjack from student computers? In-Reply-To: <413667EE.8070003@magic.fr> References: <5003.66.82.9.74.1093050510.squirrel@_default_> <9326098004082201137b6e042e@mail.gmail.com> <413667EE.8070003@magic.fr> Message-ID: <4137282E.6090201@lanl.gov> Dennis Daniels wrote: > Can I post this on the web on some wikis? This little ditty is very > helpful! > Dennis Remember to remove kde-games also.. it has poker. Of course I like to keep them on to teach kids statistics and why you only want to work for the casino. One teacher once taught us that gambling wasnt just an addiction it was dumb by giving us all play money and at the end of the day having the most of the money. While 1 kid one a 'jackpot' the rest were pretty much cleaned out. -- Stephen John Smoogen smoogen at lanl.gov Los Alamos National Lab CCN-5 | PH: 4-0645 Ta-03 SM-1498 MailStop B255 DP 10S Los Alamos, NM 87545 From julius at turtle.com Thu Sep 2 14:26:22 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 10:26:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] k12 4.1 - no gpa Message-ID: Dear Folks, after upgrading my test server to 4.1.0 I've lost the gpe, the nice front end to gnupg. When I try to apt-get install it I get an error about unmet dependencies: Selecting gpa for 'gpa-0.7.0-0.fdr.2.2.i386.rpm' Some packages could not be installed The following packages have unmet dependencies: gpa: Depends: libgpgme.so.11 but it is not installable E: Broken packages gpgme package is installed ok: Selecting gpgme for 'gpgme-0.3.15-5.1.fc2.fr.i386.rpm' gpgme is already the newest version. Any ideas how to fix it? gpa is really nice and easy and I might have a small riot on my hands if I don't get it going. julius From JohnPaul.Richardson at charleston.af.mil Thu Sep 2 15:00:43 2004 From: JohnPaul.Richardson at charleston.af.mil (Richardson John Paul MSgt 373 TRS Det 5/CSS) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 10:00:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Microsoft Terminal Services Message-ID: Per this M$ article, I am going to go with yes, you need the CALs: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;244749 This last sentence of this statement in particular seems to fit your scenario... "Windows 2000 Terminal Services Client Access License: This license provides each client computer or Windows-based terminal the legal right to access Terminal Services on a Windows 2000-based server. For example, you must have this license to start a terminal session and run Windows-based programs on the server. All non-Windows 2000-based clients must have this type of license." Of course I am basing this off you using Terminal Services from Windows 2000 Server. Windows NT 4 TS and Server 2003 may be different, but being M$ it's a good bet the licensing requirements will be similar. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Cockrell [mailto:cockrell at honeygroveisd.net] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 9:54 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Microsoft Terminal Services Help me on my thinking here. If I needed to allow my users access to a Windows environment, I could use Microsoft Terminal Services and rdesktop, right? Now, since all of my users would be connecting through a single machine (the K12LTSP server), does that mean I would only need to buy one Client Access License? Then I could give all my users access to that "killer app." which only runs on Windows in a thin-client environment at very little cost. Is that right, or am I all wet? -- C-ya, Mark ____ "If all men knew what others say of them, there would not be four friends in the world." -- Blaise Pascal _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From petre at maltzen.net Thu Sep 2 15:01:22 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 10:01:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] nautilus In-Reply-To: <1094103447.8966.18.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <20040821112035.HMRL24693.mta13.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> <1093116675.16115.87.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <41366B6A.8010509@magic.fr> <1094103447.8966.18.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <413735C2.1090008@maltzen.net> You may want to have a look at the /usr/sbin/push-icons-to-users-desktops script (I think Eric wrote this). Root's desktop has an icon for it, such that you can setup an icon-with-app and then drag it on to the Push-icon-to-users-desktops icon and all users then get that icon/app on their desktop. Without looking at it too carefully, I'd think you'd be able to make a modified version of that, put a respective one for each teacher on each teacher's desktop (respective meaning it would apply only to that teacher's students--perhaps incorporating ideas from Gavin's scripts for distributing files based on group), and then the teach could just drag the assignment file to that icon, and all the kids get it on their desktop. Petre Les Mikesell wrote: >On Wed, 2004-09-01 at 19:38, Dennis Daniels wrote: > > >>>But if you are going to do this often, wouldn't >>>it be better to write a little script that takes the file >>>name as an option and copies it to all the right places? >>> >>> >>Les, >>Any tips on what that script would look like? Do you have one in your >>history file you can share? I'm thinking about homework assignments, >>links to shared folders and the like. I'm an English teacher and could >>use a little help. :) >> >> > >Shell scripts generally do simple text substitutions to create >the same command line you would type yourself for a command. >Something like: > >#!/bin/sh >FILE=$1 >for DEST in `cat list` >do > mkdir /home/$DEST/homework 2>/dev/null > cp -v $FILE /home/$DEST/homework/ >done > >would take a file named on the command line and deliver it >to the homework folder in each of the destinations listed >in a file literally named 'list' which can be space delimited >or on separate lines. It is worth spending some time >reading the bash man page to see how the variable substitution >works. > >--- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From accessys at smart.net Thu Sep 2 15:29:16 2004 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 11:29:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Microsoft Terminal Services In-Reply-To: <413725DF.1090208@honeygroveisd.net> References: <413725DF.1090208@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Sep 2004, Mark Cockrell wrote: > Help me on my thinking here. If I needed to allow my users access to a > Windows environment, I could use Microsoft Terminal Services and > rdesktop, right? Now, since all of my users would be connecting through > a single machine (the K12LTSP server), does that mean I would only need > to buy one Client Access License? Then I could give all my users access > to that "killer app." which only runs on Windows in a thin-client > environment at very little cost. 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They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From JohnPaul.Richardson at Charleston.af.mil Thu Sep 2 15:42:02 2004 From: JohnPaul.Richardson at Charleston.af.mil (Richardson John Paul MSgt 373 TRS Det 5/CSS) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 10:42:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Microsoft Terminal Services Message-ID: Whoops... Let me rephrase that first statement. Yes, you will probably need a CAL for each access that is made. -----Original Message----- From: Richardson John Paul MSgt 373 TRS Det 5/CSS Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 11:01 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Microsoft Terminal Services Per this M$ article, I am going to go with yes, you need the CALs: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;244749 This last sentence of this statement in particular seems to fit your scenario... "Windows 2000 Terminal Services Client Access License: This license provides each client computer or Windows-based terminal the legal right to access Terminal Services on a Windows 2000-based server. For example, you must have this license to start a terminal session and run Windows-based programs on the server. All non-Windows 2000-based clients must have this type of license." Of course I am basing this off you using Terminal Services from Windows 2000 Server. Windows NT 4 TS and Server 2003 may be different, but being M$ it's a good bet the licensing requirements will be similar. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Cockrell [mailto:cockrell at honeygroveisd.net] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 9:54 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Microsoft Terminal Services Help me on my thinking here. If I needed to allow my users access to a Windows environment, I could use Microsoft Terminal Services and rdesktop, right? Now, since all of my users would be connecting through a single machine (the K12LTSP server), does that mean I would only need to buy one Client Access License? Then I could give all my users access to that "killer app." which only runs on Windows in a thin-client environment at very little cost. Is that right, or am I all wet? -- C-ya, Mark ____ "If all men knew what others say of them, there would not be four friends in the world." -- Blaise Pascal _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From baci at harborcityschool.org Thu Sep 2 15:53:10 2004 From: baci at harborcityschool.org (Chris Bacigalupo) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 10:53:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Microsoft Terminal Services In-Reply-To: <413725DF.1090208@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <000e01c49104$f2a67b30$b605000a@ebaci> As someone who currently does this, YES you need the CALS...M$ will not let you logon past your number of CALS. Your first use may be different as I think there's a "demo" period where you are using WinTerm for free. >>baci -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Mark Cockrell Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 8:54 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Microsoft Terminal Services Help me on my thinking here. If I needed to allow my users access to a Windows environment, I could use Microsoft Terminal Services and rdesktop, right? Now, since all of my users would be connecting through a single machine (the K12LTSP server), does that mean I would only need to buy one Client Access License? Then I could give all my users access to that "killer app." which only runs on Windows in a thin-client environment at very little cost. Is that right, or am I all wet? -- C-ya, Mark ____ "If all men knew what others say of them, there would not be four friends in the world." -- Blaise Pascal _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From gary.frederick at jsoft.com Thu Sep 2 16:00:17 2004 From: gary.frederick at jsoft.com (Gary Frederick) Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 11:00:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Understanding ethernet - terminology and cables Message-ID: <41374391.6080802@jsoft.com> Howdy, The recent conversation helped me to finally understand why I want the faster ethernet speeds between my servers and the switches. Now I'm trying to understand the different terminology and what works where when hooking it up. There is 10Base-T 100Base-T 1000Base-T and Gigabit Is Gigabit just another name for 1000Base-T? and I looked at cables and there were cables for Cat 5e FastCat 5e Cat 6 Cat 6 UTP ??? and I am able to handle a screw driver - on a realy good day and would prefer to get a cable that was already built over messing up. Should I consider learning how to make cables? Thanks, Gary From k12ltsp at hermon.net Thu Sep 2 16:02:16 2004 From: k12ltsp at hermon.net (k12ltsp) Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 12:02:16 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] 486 Terminals Fail to Boot (4.0.1) Message-ID: Hi Everyone, I have looked on the internet for an answer to this puzzle that I can't figure out, but with no success! I was wondering if anyone could point me in the right direction. Here's our issue: In one of our classrooms, we are using 486 computers with ISA cards to boot into K12LTSP. Formerly, on the 3.1.2 distribution, we had no trouble booting into the server. We added the option 128 and 129 lines and they booted flawlessly. Below is a line we used for one of the terminals: host ws007 { hardware ethernet 00:50:BA:2F:D1:E7; fixed-address 192.168.0.7; filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; option option-129 "NIC=ne IO=0X300"; } We then made an entry in the lts.conf file for these computers: [00:50:BA:2F:D1:E7] XSERVER = XF86_SVGA X_COLOR_DEPTH = 8 The lines did the trick, but with the same entries on 4.0.1, the terminals fail to boot. They stop at the point that the kernel downloads. There is no error message, it simply stops working. I am suspecting that the vmlinuz.ltsp kernel is incompatible? What can I do to get these terminals to boot? Thank you for the help! LTSP is great! In Hermon Maine, we are using these terminals district wide in all schools and the kids love them! Sincerely, Alan Owen Student Computer Technician Hermon School Department From cwt137 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 2 16:12:13 2004 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 09:12:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] 486 Terminals Fail to Boot (4.0.1) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040902161213.27215.qmail@web12106.mail.yahoo.com> Hello, They might of changed the name or the path of the kernel image. Check to see if thoes two things are correct. I had the same problem and it was a path/name change issue (cant remember) when I copied my old dhcpd.conf file. Chris --- k12ltsp wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I have looked on the internet for an answer to this > puzzle that I can't > figure out, but with no success! I was wondering if > anyone could point me > in the right direction. Here's our issue: > > In one of our classrooms, we are using 486 computers > with ISA cards to > boot into K12LTSP. Formerly, on the 3.1.2 > distribution, we had no trouble > booting into the server. We added the option 128 and > 129 lines and they > booted flawlessly. Below is a line we used for one > of the terminals: > > host ws007 { > hardware ethernet 00:50:BA:2F:D1:E7; > fixed-address 192.168.0.7; > filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; > option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; > option option-129 "NIC=ne IO=0X300"; > } > > We then made an entry in the lts.conf file for these > computers: > [00:50:BA:2F:D1:E7] > XSERVER = XF86_SVGA > X_COLOR_DEPTH = 8 > > The lines did the trick, but with the same entries > on 4.0.1, the terminals > fail to boot. They stop at the point that the kernel > downloads. There is > no error message, it simply stops working. I am > suspecting that the > vmlinuz.ltsp kernel is incompatible? What can I do > to get these terminals > to boot? > > Thank you for the help! LTSP is great! In Hermon > Maine, we are using these > terminals district wide in all schools and the kids > love them! > > Sincerely, > Alan Owen > Student Computer Technician > Hermon School Department > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From david at okgoodwill.org Thu Sep 2 16:28:08 2004 From: david at okgoodwill.org (David H. Barr) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 11:28:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Understanding ethernet - terminology and cables Message-ID: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E2820509E1@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> You should DEFINITELY learn how to make cables, if you can. It's fairly simple, and will save you a ton. Of course, if you're doing a significant run (Say, more than about 20 drops) you'd probably want to just pay someone else to get all dirty and sweaty. If you're just doing short patch cables (say, one classroom) definitely buy a box of Cat5 and a pack of ice cubes (terminators). Yes, GigaE == 1000bT, although there is fiber GigaE, as well. I am not familiar with the various cable names, but properly terminated Cat5 should be all you need for up to copper gigabit speeds. Regards, -dBarr. PS: Here's a link to an image I made for cable terminating: http://www.okgoodwill.org/images/cable.gif On Thursday, September 02, 2004 11:00 AM, Gary Frederick wrote: > Howdy, > > The recent conversation helped me to finally understand why I want the > faster ethernet speeds between my servers and the switches. > > Now I'm trying to understand the different terminology and what works > where when hooking it up. > > There is > 10Base-T > 100Base-T > 1000Base-T > and > Gigabit > > Is Gigabit just another name for 1000Base-T? > > and I looked at cables and there were cables for > Cat 5e > FastCat 5e > Cat 6 > Cat 6 UTP > > ??? > > and > > I am able to handle a screw driver - on a realy good day and would > prefer to get a cable that was already built over messing up. Should I > consider learning how to make cables? > > Thanks, > > Gary > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Thu Sep 2 16:33:42 2004 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 12:33:42 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Found different way to set IceWM default under GDM (I think) Message-ID: <1094142822.5413.244.camel@phoenix> Looking at the wiki, and chasing scripts down (maybe freedesktop.org can cut all the duplicate session scripts down) I have gotten my K12LTSP 4.1 server setting IceWM as default (without disabling GNOME/KDE/etc) using the /etc/sysconfig/desktop file. All it takes is putting "ICEWM" in place of "GNOME", and then adding: elif [ "$DESKTOP" = "ICEWM" ]; then PREFERRED=/etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/IceWM fi right under the WINDOWMAKER entry in the /etc/X11/xinit/Xclients file. I guess I'll finally get myself setup on the Wiki, and post it. Oh, is anyone having duplicate session entries on their menu (multiple IceWM/reset desktop....)?? Seems like there are duplicates in other locations that GDM looks at. Henry Burroughs Technology Director Hilton Head Preparatory School www.hhprep.org hburroughs at hhprep.org From cwt137 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 2 16:38:21 2004 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 09:38:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Understanding ethernet - terminology and cables In-Reply-To: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E2820509E1@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> Message-ID: <20040902163821.22926.qmail@web12108.mail.yahoo.com> Sometimes it pays to make your own cables, like when you need a certain length you cant buy in stores. But for lengths you can buy in stores, it isn't worth your time. I'm a bad crimper and I figure it takes me 10 min to make one cable.If I'm lucky and the wires don't move when I'm crimping, I can do it in 5min or less. For the time spent (or wasted), it is just as easy to buy one from the store. --- "David H. Barr" wrote: > You should DEFINITELY learn how to make cables, if > you can. It's fairly > simple, and will save you a ton. Of course, if > you're doing a > significant run (Say, more than about 20 drops) > you'd probably want to > just pay someone else to get all dirty and sweaty. > If you're just doing > short patch cables (say, one classroom) definitely > buy a box of Cat5 and > a pack of ice cubes (terminators). > > Yes, GigaE == 1000bT, although there is fiber GigaE, > as well. > > I am not familiar with the various cable names, but > properly terminated > Cat5 should be all you need for up to copper gigabit > speeds. > > Regards, > -dBarr. > > PS: Here's a link to an image I made for cable > terminating: > http://www.okgoodwill.org/images/cable.gif > > On Thursday, September 02, 2004 11:00 AM, > Gary Frederick wrote: > > > Howdy, > > > > The recent conversation helped me to finally > understand why I want the > > faster ethernet speeds between my servers and the > switches. > > > > Now I'm trying to understand the different > terminology and what works > > where when hooking it up. > > > > There is > > 10Base-T > > 100Base-T > > 1000Base-T > > and > > Gigabit > > > > Is Gigabit just another name for 1000Base-T? > > > > and I looked at cables and there were cables for > > Cat 5e > > FastCat 5e > > Cat 6 > > Cat 6 UTP > > > > ??? > > > > and > > > > I am able to handle a screw driver - on a realy > good day and would > > prefer to get a cable that was already built over > messing up. Should I > > consider learning how to make cables? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Gary > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Express yourself with Y! Messenger! Free. Download now. http://messenger.yahoo.com From williamm at timbercon.com Thu Sep 2 17:26:10 2004 From: williamm at timbercon.com (William J McCloskey) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 10:26:10 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Understanding ethernet - terminology and cables In-Reply-To: <41374391.6080802@jsoft.com> Message-ID: <200409021024898.SM02800@GYRO> There is 10Base-T Cabling and switching technology that supports transmission speeds of up to 20mb/sec. Most commonly wired using Category 3 100Base-T Cabling and switching technology that supports transmission speeds of up to 100mb/sec. Requires Category 5 or better wiring and has some restrictions on how switches are daisy chained. Be careful when configuring your network because with a "Class 2" switch you can only daisy chain 2 switches out and with "Class 1" you can only daisy chain 1. At least that's how it was explained by the Intel engineer I was working with while setting up a lab with some earlier generation 100Base-T equipment. Also caution when using 100Base-T switches as opposed to hubs, they function in very different ways and a switch is far better then a hub (or repeater). 1000Base-T (aka, Gigabit) Cabling and Switching technology that support transmission speeds of up to 1000mb/sec. Cabling requires that all 4 pairs in a Category 5 or above cable be properly terminated and connected. The standards recommend Category 6 though a good Category 5e cable will work just fine for *most* applications, just be aware that distance quickly becomes a problem with 1000Base-T 1000Base-Fx (aka, Gigabit) Fiber optic Cabling and Switching technology that support transmission speeds of up to 1000mb/sec. This is often used in applications that require longer distance runs as fiber optic cabling has a much lower level of loss over longer distances. The biggest downside to fiber optics is that the cables are somewhat more fragile then copper cables, but are still pretty rugged. Category 5 Cables: >From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Category 5 cable, commonly known as Cat 5, is an unshielded twisted pair type cable designed for high signal integrity. The actual standard defines specific electrical properties of the wire, but it is most commonly known as being rated for its Ethernet capability of 100 Mbit/s. Its specific standard designation is EIA/TIA-568. Cat 5 cable typically has three twists per inch of each twisted pair of 24 gauge copper wires within the cable. Another important characteristic is that the wires are insulated with a plastic (FEP) that has low dispersion, that is, the dielectric constant of the plastic does not depend greatly on frequency. Special attention also has to be paid to minimizing impedance mismatches at connection points. It is often used in structured cabling for computer networks such as fast Ethernet, although it is often used to carry many other signals such as basic voice services, token ring, and ATM (at up to 155 Mbits/s, over short distances). The other well known flavour of this type of cable is the 10 Mbit/s Category 3 cable. Less well known is the 20 Mbit/s Cat 4. Cat 4 offered only a small advance in speed over Cat3, and was generally ignored in favour of Cat 5. Cat 1 and Cat 2 are 1 Mbit/s systems for voice and low-speed data. Patch leads created from Cat 5 are often terminated with RJ-45 electrical connectors. Normal Cat 5 cables are wired "straight through" and connect a computer to a hub. In other words, pin 1 is connected to pin 1, pin 2 to pin 2, etc. The RJ-45 pinout for a Cat 5 cable can either be TIA-568A or TIA-568B. TIA-568A is used by some phone systems and Token Ring. Most everything else, such as the Ethernet standards 10BASE-T and 100BASE-TX, use TIA-568B. In Ethernet, "crossover" Cat-5 cables are used to connect two hubs together, in which pairs two and three are reversed. Crossover cables can also be used to connect two PC's NICs directly (with no intervening hub). See the TIA-568B article for a pinout diagram. Cat 5e cable is an enhanced version of Cat 5 for use with 1000 Base-T networks, or for long-distance 100 Base-T links (350 m, compared with 100 m for Cat5). It must meet the EIA/TIA 568A-5 specification. Cat 6 cable is defined by the ANSI TIA/EIA 568B-2.1. It is suitable for 1000 Base-T (gigabit) Ethernet up to 100 m. Hope that helps you! William -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Gary Frederick Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 9:00 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Understanding ethernet - terminology and cables Howdy, The recent conversation helped me to finally understand why I want the faster ethernet speeds between my servers and the switches. Now I'm trying to understand the different terminology and what works where when hooking it up. There is 10Base-T 100Base-T 1000Base-T and Gigabit Is Gigabit just another name for 1000Base-T? and I looked at cables and there were cables for Cat 5e FastCat 5e Cat 6 Cat 6 UTP ??? and I am able to handle a screw driver - on a realy good day and would prefer to get a cable that was already built over messing up. Should I consider learning how to make cables? Thanks, Gary _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From k12ltsp at hermon.net Thu Sep 2 18:56:38 2004 From: k12ltsp at hermon.net (k12ltsp) Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 14:56:38 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] 486 Terminals Fail to Boot (4.0.1) Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >Hello, > >They might of changed the name or the path of the >kernel image. Check to see if thoes two things are >correct. I had the same problem and it was a path/name >change issue (cant remember) when I copied my old >dhcpd.conf file. > >Chris Hi Chris, Thanks for the response! I did look in the lts folder and there is a file called vmlinuz.ltsp. I did find other files in the same folder as well. Possibly other kernels? -Alan From cwt137 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 2 20:17:16 2004 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 13:17:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] 486 Terminals Fail to Boot (4.0.1) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040902201716.64453.qmail@web12106.mail.yahoo.com> It never hurts to try, but be sure to backup your config file first --- k12ltsp wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > writes: > >Hello, > > > >They might of changed the name or the path of the > >kernel image. Check to see if thoes two things are > >correct. I had the same problem and it was a > path/name > >change issue (cant remember) when I copied my old > >dhcpd.conf file. > > > >Chris > > Hi Chris, > > Thanks for the response! I did look in the lts > folder and there is a file > called vmlinuz.ltsp. I did find other files in the > same folder as well. > Possibly other kernels? > > -Alan > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush From brendanh at bendigo.net.au Thu Sep 2 22:31:35 2004 From: brendanh at bendigo.net.au (brendanh at bendigo.net.au) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 08:31:35 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Understanding ethernet - terminology and cables Message-ID: <00c601c4913c$9aeff960$1200005a@cad1> A good site for network stuff including a range of network cabling tutorials, do's and do nots is www.lanshack.com (although it seems to be down at the moment ?). Yours Kindly, Brendan Henderson Scanned by WinProxy http://www.Ositis.com/ From k12ltsp at trinityschool.org.uk Thu Sep 2 23:56:30 2004 From: k12ltsp at trinityschool.org.uk (Peter Deakin) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 00:56:30 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: OO Laoading Problems In-Reply-To: <1094142822.5413.244.camel@phoenix> References: <1094142822.5413.244.camel@phoenix> Message-ID: Hi Guys I am having problems with OO loading very slowly about 40 sec from launching be it from an icon or terminal, this is only since I upgrade to 4.1. The server in question has run 3.2 without any problems. At the moment I am the only user and it does the same on both the terminals and on the sever itself. The task bar shows that OO is loading for most of the time , this disappears as though it is not going to load then a few seconds later the OO splash screen appears It is an ASUS Mobo XP2800 with 1.5G memory and 36G SCSI drive I have built a new server which has a similar spec but a MSI Mobo and a WD SATA drive and this does exactly the same. The curious thing is I installed 4.1 on my home server a few weeks ago and OO loads up in about 6 sec. (this machine is a MSI Mobo XP2600 with 1G memory and a normal ATA drive.) I did note from previous posts on a similar issue that S3 video card cause some problems. The new set up did have a S3 card in it, so I have changed that and reloaded 4.1 from scratch without any improvement. I have check what's going on with Top during the waiting period. Memory usage is less that 1G and and the processor usage is about 2% sleeping process 85, zombies 0 Any thought would be much appreciated Regards Peter Deakin From staffords at glenburn.net Fri Sep 3 00:36:52 2004 From: staffords at glenburn.net (Shane Stafford) Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 20:36:52 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Microsoft Terminal Services In-Reply-To: <000e01c49104$f2a67b30$b605000a@ebaci> References: <000e01c49104$f2a67b30$b605000a@ebaci> Message-ID: good discussion, been looking for an answer to this one. I knew 1 cal wasn't right. But, I read about user-cals, which seem to imply that I can have as many users as I have TS-User Cals. But it doesn't mean client stations or actual hardware terminals. So, can I have 144 clients share 12 user cals, so 13th person is told no. I'm sure this used to be what TS-user cals were for, but they may have changed again..... It is still probably worth the licenses to get the local processing machines out of the door. thanks shane Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer S & B Consulting From ahodson at elp.rr.com Fri Sep 3 00:59:48 2004 From: ahodson at elp.rr.com (Alan A Hodson) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 18:59:48 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] IceWM is default, but... Message-ID: Hi folks I've been successfully setting IceWM as the default desktop using earlier postings, but something strange is happening: after using OpenOffice and saving their work (MS .doc compliant) to their desktops, when they go to their home folder and click on the file.doc icon, AbiWord steps in and loads as if the document had been saved using it, rather than OO. My question is, what tweak do I need to do so that the students can keep using OO and saving as .doc but have OO open when they click on their file's icon? Thanks a zillion - this list rocks! Alan A Hodson El Paso ISD, TX http://links.episd.org/ -=o=- From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Sep 3 01:39:00 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 21:39:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Microsoft Terminal Services In-Reply-To: References: <000e01c49104$f2a67b30$b605000a@ebaci> <,> Message-ID: Shane, I ended up buying 100 TS CAL's through ACTEM....very reasonable....I'm experimenting with using Windows TS running through K12LTSP....thus far...very impressed! It'll help with adoption and eventual weaning. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Sep 3 01:39:00 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 21:39:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Microsoft Terminal Services In-Reply-To: References: <000e01c49104$f2a67b30$b605000a@ebaci> <,> Message-ID: Shane, I ended up buying 100 TS CAL's through ACTEM....very reasonable....I'm experimenting with using Windows TS running through K12LTSP....thus far...very impressed! It'll help with adoption and eventual weaning. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Sep 3 01:42:33 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 21:42:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Found different way to set IceWM default under GDM =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=28I think=29?= In-Reply-To: <1094142822.5413.244.camel@phoenix> References: <1094142822.5413.244.camel@phoenix> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >Oh, is anyone having duplicate session entries on their menu (multiple >IceWM/reset desktop....)?? Seems like there are duplicates in other >locations that GDM looks at. Me! I do....any ideas? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Sep 3 01:42:33 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 21:42:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Found different way to set IceWM default under GDM =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=28I think=29?= In-Reply-To: <1094142822.5413.244.camel@phoenix> References: <1094142822.5413.244.camel@phoenix> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >Oh, is anyone having duplicate session entries on their menu (multiple >IceWM/reset desktop....)?? Seems like there are duplicates in other >locations that GDM looks at. Me! I do....any ideas? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From staffords at glenburn.net Fri Sep 3 01:34:01 2004 From: staffords at glenburn.net (Shane Stafford) Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 21:34:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Microsoft Terminal Services In-Reply-To: References: <000e01c49104$f2a67b30$b605000a@ebaci> <,> < > <,> Message-ID: so are you assuming the ts cal is per concurrent user, or 100 actual physical hardware terminals? We will have probably have 125 clients soon. at $35 each, while reasonable, $4375 is hard swallow on a total tech budget of $11,000, well $13,000 if you add in $2000 I have for software. I was hoping to target the concurrent user target. thanks shane Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer S & B Consulting From tim at litwiller.net Fri Sep 3 01:59:39 2004 From: tim at litwiller.net (Tim Litwiller) Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 20:59:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Found different way to set IceWM default under GDM (I think) In-Reply-To: <1094142822.5413.244.camel@phoenix> References: <1094142822.5413.244.camel@phoenix> Message-ID: <4137D00B.7020504@litwiller.net> Henry Burroughs wrote: >Looking at the wiki, and chasing scripts down (maybe freedesktop.org can >cut all the duplicate session scripts down) I have gotten my K12LTSP 4.1 >server setting IceWM as default (without disabling GNOME/KDE/etc) using >the /etc/sysconfig/desktop file. All it takes is putting "ICEWM" in >place of "GNOME", and then adding: > >elif [ "$DESKTOP" = "ICEWM" ]; then > PREFERRED=/etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/IceWM >fi > >right under the WINDOWMAKER entry in the /etc/X11/xinit/Xclients file. > >I guess I'll finally get myself setup on the Wiki, and post it. > >Oh, is anyone having duplicate session entries on their menu (multiple >IceWM/reset desktop....)?? Seems like there are duplicates in other >locations that GDM looks at. > > > > Yes, I get that too. I'd really like to remove everything except ICEWM from the session menu. From chandler_a at sgusd.k12.ca.us Fri Sep 3 02:00:07 2004 From: chandler_a at sgusd.k12.ca.us (chandler_a) Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 19:00:07 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 7, Issue 12 Message-ID: <824350723@mail.sgusd.k12.ca.us> Thank you for your message....I will be out of the office until Tuesday September 7th. I will reply to your message as soon as possible From bear2bar at netscape.net Fri Sep 3 02:04:01 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 22:04:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Microsoft Terminal Services In-Reply-To: References: <000e01c49104$f2a67b30$b605000a@ebaci> <, > < > <, > Message-ID: <4137D111.2060900@netscape.net> Hi, Before forking out the cash to M$, check out some of the non-profit refurbishing computer companies. Some have agreement with M$ that allows them to provide M$ licenses, server & CALs FREE with the purchase of a server for a nominal fee from them. This is their way of moving recycled products to non-profit organisations like schools !!! Norbert staffords at glenburn.net wrote: >so are you assuming the ts cal is per concurrent user, or 100 actual >physical hardware terminals? > >We will have probably have 125 clients soon. at $35 each, while >reasonable, $4375 is hard swallow on a total tech budget of $11,000, well >$13,000 if you add in $2000 I have for software. >I was hoping to target the concurrent user target. >thanks >shane > > >Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT >Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town >Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer >S & B Consulting > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see From bimalp at indoasian.com Fri Sep 3 04:10:53 2004 From: bimalp at indoasian.com (bimal pandit) Date: 03 Sep 2004 09:40:53 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] IceWM is default, but... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1094184653.4178.2.camel@server.ltsp> Dear Alan, right click on the folder --> open with -- there you will get some option like "other application" here go into "file types and program" --> go there, and now choose the program that you want to run with. hope this will help regards, bimal On Fri, 2004-09-03 at 06:29, Alan A Hodson wrote: > Hi folks > > I've been successfully setting IceWM as the default desktop using > earlier postings, but something strange is happening: after using > OpenOffice and saving their work (MS .doc compliant) to their > desktops, when they go to their home folder and click on the file.doc > icon, AbiWord steps in and loads as if the document had been saved > using it, rather than OO. > > My question is, what tweak do I need to do so that the students can > keep using OO and saving as .doc but have OO open when they click on > their file's icon? > > Thanks a zillion - this list rocks! > > Alan A Hodson > El Paso ISD, TX > http://links.episd.org/ > -=o=- > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From aaa at pacifier.com Fri Sep 3 04:28:35 2004 From: aaa at pacifier.com (Duane Wilson) Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 21:28:35 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] dansguardian and squid won't play together In-Reply-To: <20040826.Q74.61159800@192.168.10.16> References: <20040826.Q74.61159800@192.168.10.16> Message-ID: <4137F2F3.4020409@pacifier.com> Ron Freidel wrote: > >I assume you have squid.conf configured to work with your local network. > Don't know exactly what that means - configured to work with your local network > >Here's the important stuff from one of my installations where I have >transparent filtering working... >httpd_accel_host virtual >httpd_accel_with_proxy on >httpd_accel_uses_host_header on >acl all src 0.0.0.0/0.0.0.0 >acl manager proto cache_object >acl localhost src 127.0.0.1/255.255.255.255 >acl our_network src 192.168.30.0/24 > The 192.168.30.0/24 is specific to your instilation? Is that your local network? My local network is 192.168.1.0 Another really basic question: In squid.conf there are multiple references to default settings - all of which are commented out! Do I need to uncomment them to make the default work or do these settings work without being explicitly designated in the conf file? Thanks, Duane Wilson From tim at litwiller.net Fri Sep 3 04:47:52 2004 From: tim at litwiller.net (Tim Litwiller) Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 23:47:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] kiosk library terminal howto updated Message-ID: <4137F778.10504@litwiller.net> http://www.litwiller.net/kiosk_browser/ From prentice at instruction.com Fri Sep 3 06:34:38 2004 From: prentice at instruction.com (Dave Prentice) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 01:34:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Dittos to Loading vmlinuz.ltsp Message-ID: <01c49180$164b6de0$6500000a@Dave.HOME> Hello all, I haven't been on this list for several years. I tried a few years ago unsuccessfully to set up an older version of K12LTSP. I just re-tried loading K12ltsp, version 4.0.1. The server works fine, as do two clients, a Dell and a 200 mhz Compaq (don't remember what type, but it's not a Prolinea). I have a boatload of Compaq Prolineas and IBM 350s that I want to hook up, but none of them will boot. The Compaqs start loading the kernel and then give a "kernel panic" saying they need a root path. (It is already specified in /etc/dhcpd.conf.) The IBMs do just the same thing Ben May describes in his "Loading vmlinuz.ltsp" thread - they act as if they're loading but never finish. Does anybody know why some types of machine boot up and run just fine, while these IBMs and Compaqs hang up? Thanks, Dave Prentice prentice at instruction.com http://www.originsresource.org From normhanna at vfemail.net Fri Sep 3 07:49:26 2004 From: normhanna at vfemail.net (normhanna at vfemail.net) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 02:49:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SMP kernel - stable in version 4.1? Message-ID: <1094197766.5e1731a593552@www.vfemail.net> In the FAQs, dated from the 3.x releases of LTSP, it recommends using the single processor kernel. Has anyone used the SMP kernel on 4.1 successfully? Please provide positive / negative experiences. regards, norm ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through Virus Free Email http://www.vfemail.net From aimssda at cscoms.com Fri Sep 3 09:02:46 2004 From: aimssda at cscoms.com (Edwardson Pedragosa) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 16:02:46 +0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Broadcom 440x In-Reply-To: <20040903020000.0A36B735D6@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <000001c49194$ca755150$0100a8c0@AIMSSERV> Hi, Anybody knows about Broadcom 440x Laptop NIC. I have this new HP Laptop which I would like to use for my class as thin client for demonstration purposes. But I can't get the right NIC for it. I already tried "option option-128 and 129 NIC=b44" but still cannot boot. I still get "Kernel panic" when "Mounting /proc". If somebody knows out there please help, I'll be testing it for my class on Monday. Thanks Edwardson Pedragosa Network Administrator/Instructor Adventist International Mission School Saraburi Thailand From aimssda at cscoms.com Fri Sep 3 09:04:43 2004 From: aimssda at cscoms.com (Edwardson Pedragosa) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 16:04:43 +0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Use of LTSPADMIN In-Reply-To: <20040903020000.0A36B735D6@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <000101c49195$103e00b0$0100a8c0@AIMSSERV> Can I use ltspadmin to update my K12LTSP 4.0.1 so that I don't have to download the 4.1 K12LTSP Edwardson Pedragosa Network Administrator/Instructor Adventist International Mission School Saraburi, Thailand From cliebow at downeast.net Fri Sep 3 10:27:15 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 10:27:15 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] ldap structure Message-ID: <200409031033.i83AXxT07594@downeast.net> david can you tell me if linux ldap will descend into a directory wihin the users group?? loke users-1------2004----aluchini 1------2005----cliebow 1------2006----dtrask and authenticate..etc/ldap set up to look in users..chuck --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From ckjohnson at gwi.net Fri Sep 3 11:47:39 2004 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 07:47:39 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] ldap structure In-Reply-To: <200409031033.i83AXxT07594@downeast.net> References: <200409031033.i83AXxT07594@downeast.net> Message-ID: <413859DB.5060704@gwi.net> cliebow at downeast.net wrote: >david can you tell me if linux ldap will descend into a directory wihin the >users group?? > >loke users-1------2004----aluchini > 1------2005----cliebow > 1------2006----dtrask > >and authenticate..etc/ldap set up to look in users..chuck > > > It will if you uncomment: scope sub in /etc/ldap.conf. That enables the search to include sub-hierarchies, not just one level or the base entry. But also make sure ldap.conf specifies correct filter criteria and attribute for user authentication in order for people's ldap entries to be found. In other words the default requires that user entries be of objectclass "account", and that each has a uid attribute used as their identity when authenticating. If you turn on some debug logging level in slapd.conf (e.g. 'loglevel 32') and configure putting it somewhere in syslog.conf, then the output should help you diagnose the problem. See loglevel in 'man slapd.conf' for details. Chris -- ----------------------------------------------------------- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 From cliebow at downeast.net Fri Sep 3 11:47:07 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 11:47:07 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] ldap structure Message-ID: <200409031153.i83BrpT15261@downeast.net> YOU ARE THE MAN!!cchuck --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From jam at mcquil.com Fri Sep 3 12:30:36 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 08:30:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Dittos to Loading vmlinuz.ltsp In-Reply-To: <01c49180$164b6de0$6500000a@Dave.HOME> References: <01c49180$164b6de0$6500000a@Dave.HOME> Message-ID: On Fri, 3 Sep 2004, Dave Prentice wrote: > Hello all, > I haven't been on this list for several years. I tried a few years > ago unsuccessfully to set up an older version of K12LTSP. I just > re-tried loading K12ltsp, version 4.0.1. The server works fine, as do > two clients, a Dell and a 200 mhz Compaq (don't remember what type, > but it's not a Prolinea). > I have a boatload of Compaq Prolineas and IBM 350s that I want to > hook up, but none of them will boot. The Compaqs start loading the > kernel and then give a "kernel panic" saying they need a root path. > (It is already specified in /etc/dhcpd.conf.) The IBMs do just the > same thing Ben May describes in his "Loading vmlinuz.ltsp" thread - > they act as if they're loading but never finish. > Does anybody know why some types of machine boot up and run just > fine, while these IBMs and Compaqs hang up? Dave, Are you using Etherboot or PXE ? What kind of nics in the machines? Can you send us your dhcpd.conf file ? Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org From julius at turtle.com Fri Sep 3 12:32:09 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 08:32:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] SMP kernel - stable in version 4.1? In-Reply-To: <1094197766.5e1731a593552@www.vfemail.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 normhanna at vfemail.net wrote: > In the FAQs, dated from the 3.x releases of LTSP, it recommends using the single > processor kernel. Has anyone used the SMP kernel on 4.1 successfully? > > Please provide positive / negative experiences. Norm, I had huge problems with Fedora 1 on IBM dual PIII boxes but I've been running it successfully on a gateway dual Xeon for a long time. I am running 4.1.0 on a dual PIII IBM without any problems - it's been only 10 days now, but it runs fine in test environment. This is the same box taht was choking on Fedora 1. julius From ahodson at elp.rr.com Fri Sep 3 12:51:46 2004 From: ahodson at elp.rr.com (Alan A Hodson) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 06:51:46 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] IceWM is default, but... In-Reply-To: <1094184653.4178.2.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1094184653.4178.2.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: Yes, of course, thanks. I was looking for a more generic cure, rather than a file by file procedure - something like editing one of the .config files... cheers Alan -=o=- >Dear Alan, > >right click on the folder --> open with -- there you will get some >option like "other application" here go into "file types and program" >--> go there, and now choose the program that you want to run with. > >hope this will help > >regards, > >bimal > >On Fri, 2004-09-03 at 06:29, Alan A Hodson wrote: >> Hi folks >> >> I've been successfully setting IceWM as the default desktop using >> earlier postings, but something strange is happening: after using >> OpenOffice and saving their work (MS .doc compliant) to their >> desktops, when they go to their home folder and click on the file.doc >> icon, AbiWord steps in and loads as if the document had been saved >> using it, rather than OO. >> >> My question is, what tweak do I need to do so that the students can >> keep using OO and saving as .doc but have OO open when they click on >> their file's icon? >> >> Thanks a zillion - this list rocks! >> >> Alan A Hodson >> El Paso ISD, TX >> http://links.episd.org/ >> -=o=- >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see From bear2bar at netscape.net Fri Sep 3 13:15:37 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 09:15:37 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SMP kernel - stable in version 4.1? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41386E79.6050303@netscape.net> Hi Julius, I've been running K12ltsp 4.0.1 on a dual P-III 600Mhz IBM Intellistation without a hitch .... hmm what did you do to the box :-D ? norbert julius at turtle.com wrote: >On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 normhanna at vfemail.net wrote: > > > >>In the FAQs, dated from the 3.x releases of LTSP, it recommends using the single >>processor kernel. Has anyone used the SMP kernel on 4.1 successfully? >> >>Please provide positive / negative experiences. >> >> > >Norm, > I had huge problems with Fedora 1 on IBM dual PIII boxes but I've >been running it successfully on a gateway dual Xeon for a long time. I am >running 4.1.0 on a dual PIII IBM without any problems - it's been only 10 >days now, but it runs fine in test environment. This is the same box taht >was choking on Fedora 1. julius > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony.hadfield at baesystems.com Fri Sep 3 13:25:54 2004 From: tony.hadfield at baesystems.com (Tony Hadfield) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 14:25:54 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: LTSP+openmosix Message-ID: <36CDE15C0BE1A84BB8595FE684FB8563091CBB@baesystems.com> On: 02 September 2004 11:32 Pedro Marques [mailto:pmarques at med.up.pt] wrote: Hello I am trying to use a k12ltsp along with openmosix. I have used the k12ltsp 4.0 cd for initial instalation and the the openmosix-2.4.22-openmosix3 rpm for patching. Everything works fine for both ltsp+openmosix server and ltsp clients . Now i wanted to make also the ltsp thin clients nodes of openmosix server. For that i tryed to recompile the clients kernel but couldn't manage to find a kernel configuration suitable for building the clients kernel , can you give me any help or point me to the right direction. I new onto kernel compilation so it can also be a result of inexperience. Should i use a expecif kernel for the clients, and which configuration file should i use? Thanks in advance Pedro Marques _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see Pedro, I am also very interested in combining openmosix and K12LTSP to create an auto-assimilating cluster. I am pretty new to this and have not got as far as you, but I would be very interested in knowing what you have done so far. I think the concept that each new thin client adds it's spare processing cycles and memory to the cluster is a great idea. Theoretically the server should never run out of resources. The set-up would require a very strong network infrastructure though. Regards & good luck, Tony Hadfield. From brockn at gmail.com Fri Sep 3 13:30:28 2004 From: brockn at gmail.com (Brock Noland) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 08:30:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Broadcom 440x In-Reply-To: <000001c49194$ca755150$0100a8c0@AIMSSERV> References: <20040903020000.0A36B735D6@hormel.redhat.com> <000001c49194$ca755150$0100a8c0@AIMSSERV> Message-ID: <741dcbb804090306304ba15934@mail.gmail.com> I have NO idea how to make it work with LTSP, but I know how to make it work in general. If you rebuild your kernel you can build it right in under Device Drivers. (2.6.x) Brock On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 16:02:46 +0700, Edwardson Pedragosa wrote: > My username and password are the same. It's my student id #: 2383858 > > >From: Brock Noland > >Reply-To: Brock Noland > >To: Craig Kurth > >Subject: CARS > >Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 00:08:32 -0500 > > > >Hey whats your CARS username and password. > > > > > > > >I do not think I will post my resume since you could *possibly* get > >kicked off because of that, but I will use it to find some people who > >are hiring!! > > > >Thanks > >Brock > > > >PS If you don't have time to come to Sumerset thats cool. I am SURE > >that I have not paid you for at least one or maybe more concerts. So > >just I will just take care of this one whether you decide to come or > >not. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to > School Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04backtoschool.armx > > -- [Start Signature] My goal is to increase my emotional intelligence http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotional_intelligence In order to do this I need your help. Please critique me by direct contact or make general comments by using my anonymous comment form http://www.tc.umn.edu/~nola0066/comments.php [End Signature] From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Fri Sep 3 13:52:27 2004 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 09:52:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Student Process Reaper Script Message-ID: <1094219547.5413.297.camel@phoenix> I wrote a script this morning to keep the students in my classes from playing games/chess/web browsing during my classes (I don't want to uninstall games, and that doesn't stop the browsing). Basically, the script is an infinite loop (always wanted to have a "while (true)" loop) that reads 2 variables from a file that you specify on the command line (ctrl-c stops it). It just loops and does a ps list for each user and picks the pids of the programs you don't want them to run, and kills them... here's the contents from my 1st period file I use: #1st_period.reap #1st Period - no mozilla, no chess, no Maelstrom REAP_USERS="cfraser afuller mandrews rladd cpawley" REAP_PROGS="mozilla-bin gnuchess Maelstrom" So I run ./class_reaper.sh 1st_period.reap You have to run it as root at the moment... DO NOT RUN THIS USING SUDO!!!!!!!!!!! As you can imagine, a malicious user who has access to run it could terminate any users programs, as well as gdm, root, etc!!!! If someone wants to make it SUDO safe (ie: protect root, etc... or users under a UID # range), and not kill users within specific groups (ie: Faculty).... you are quite welcome to. I've thought about making it interactive... ie: as students finish an assignment, I can release them while not having to terminate the script and reload the new text file. Henry Burroughs Technology Director Hilton Head Preparatory School www.hhprep.org hburroughs at hhprep.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: class_reaper.sh Type: text/x-sh Size: 1210 bytes Desc: not available URL: From gary.frederick at jsoft.com Fri Sep 3 14:04:32 2004 From: gary.frederick at jsoft.com (Gary Frederick) Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 09:04:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Understanding ethernet - terminology and cables In-Reply-To: <00c601c4913c$9aeff960$1200005a@cad1> References: <00c601c4913c$9aeff960$1200005a@cad1> Message-ID: <413879F0.9040703@jsoft.com> Thanks all for the info. I am supposta get some Compaq servers - quad? and will look at putting Giga into one and hooking up to a switch that handles the speed. I'll get Cat 6 to go between the server and the switch. It's a short distance. Gary brendanh at bendigo.net.au wrote: > A good site for network stuff including a range of network cabling > tutorials, do's and do nots is www.lanshack.com (although it seems to be > down at the moment ?). > > Yours Kindly, > > Brendan Henderson > > > > Scanned by WinProxy > http://www.Ositis.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From k12ltsp at ramsele.dyndns.org Fri Sep 3 14:22:27 2004 From: k12ltsp at ramsele.dyndns.org (Henning Bertelsen) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 16:22:27 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Fwd: Cron /usr/sbin/update_squidguard_blacklists References: <200408311357.27021.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> Message-ID: <007001c491c1$73f6db50$6401a8c0@WSRAMHB> I think rsync needs tcp port 873 to be open in the firewall. So my tip is check the firewall. //Henning > rsync: failed to connect to squidguard.mesd.k12.or.us: Connection timed out > rsync error: error in socket IO (code 10) at clientserver.c(83) > > The script looks like this (as far as I know unmodified from installation) > > TARGET=/var/squidGuard/blacklists > > cd $TARGET || exit > > # only run if squidGuard is active! > [ "`ps auxw | grep squid[G]uard`" ] || exit > > rsync -az squidguard.mesd.k12.or.us::filtering $TARGET > > for DIR in `ls $TARGET` > do > if [ -f $DIR/domains.include ] > then > TMP=$RANDOM > cat $DIR/domains $DIR/domains.include | sort | uniq > > $DIR/domains.$TMP > mv -f $DIR/domains.$TMP $DIR/domains > fi > if [ -f $DIR/urls.include ] > then > TMP=$RANDOM > cat $DIR/urls $DIR/urls.include | sort | uniq > $DIR/urls.$TMP > mv -f $DIR/urls.$TMP $DIR/urls > fi > done > > /usr/sbin/squidGuard -c /etc/squid/squidGuard.conf -C all > # /usr/sbin/squidGuard -c /etc/squid/squidGuard.conf -u > > chown -R squid.squid $TARGET > chown -R squid.squid /var/log/squidGuard/ > # inserted by John Hansknecht 6/6/03 > chown -R squid.squid /home/squid/ > > sleep 5s > > /usr/bin/killall -HUP squid > > Thanks, > > John Hansknecht > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Sep 3 17:00:58 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 10:00:58 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] A question about gigabit In-Reply-To: References: <41333B65.3020506@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <4138A34A.6070806@paasda.org> So if you bond 2 gig nics and put them into the 2 gig uplink ports...you get LOTS of speed? --Huck David Trask wrote: >"Support list for opensource software in schools." on >Monday, August 30, 2004 at 10:36 AM +0000 wrote: > > >>Hello all, >> I've seen the recommendation for gigabit NICs in the K12LTSP server >>a number of times on this list and I have a question regarding that. >>Currently I have 10/100Mb switches in place, and when I set up my shiny >>new terminal server, I used only one NIC and just tied it into my >>existing network so that it can be accessed from anywhere on the LAN. >>So, here's my question: With everything else on my LAN being 10/100 >>would gigabit help me at all. I could buy a new gigabit switch and >>connect the server to it and it to the rest of my network, but it seems >>to me that I would just be moving the bottleneck up the stream a few >>inches. Is my thinking correct, or would a gigabit switch, even if it's >>the only one on the network, be advantageous? I welcome any thoughts on >>the subject. >> >> > > >Liken it to this....if you have 25 kids in a room that need to go out to >the hall and into 25 different classrooms...through a standard >door...they'll do so, but they can only get out so fast. Now take the >same scenario yet let them out through a garage door. Now the bottleneck >shifts from the original classroom down to the other 25 rooms. In terms >of servers....if you come out gigabit and go into a switch at >gigabit...now the bottleneck has shifted down to the terminal...and the >difference is huge! For instance...prior to gigabit...if 5 kids tried >playing tux type....by the 6th kid...it was crawling almost ot the point >of unplayable. Now with the exact same server (all I did was put in an >SR24G2...24 ports of 10/100 and 2 ports of 10/100/1000 for uplink) and >holy cow! The entire lab can play with no noticeable slowdown. >OpenOffice pops right up..and so forth. The SR24G2 from Amer.com (don't >go by the prices on the web page....email Michelle mboers at amer.com) >it's only $179. Good price for what you get. > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >(207)923-3100 > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From dalen at czexan.net Fri Sep 3 17:04:57 2004 From: dalen at czexan.net (Dale Sykora) Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 12:04:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Understanding ethernet - terminology and cables In-Reply-To: <413879F0.9040703@jsoft.com> References: <00c601c4913c$9aeff960$1200005a@cad1> <413879F0.9040703@jsoft.com> Message-ID: <4138A439.9060906@czexan.net> Gary Frederick wrote: > I am supposta get some Compaq servers - quad? Gary, Assuming your Compaq servers have raid/scsi controllers and multiple pci busses, I would put the Gb ethernet card into a pci slot on a seperate bus from the raid/scsi controller. This should better balance the io traffic. Thanks, Dale From les at futuresource.com Fri Sep 3 17:21:43 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 12:21:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] A question about gigabit In-Reply-To: <4138A34A.6070806@paasda.org> References: <41333B65.3020506@honeygroveisd.net> <4138A34A.6070806@paasda.org> Message-ID: <1094232103.14836.3.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Before doing that, I'd run cacti or one of the other bandwidth graphing utilities for a while to see if you were even close to overloading a single port. I'd guess that you can't fill a single gig pipe and the overhead of bonding would make things worse instead of better (but you'd get failover for a bad wire or NIC, about the least likely part to break). --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com On Fri, 2004-09-03 at 12:00, Huck wrote: > So if you bond 2 gig nics and put them into the 2 gig uplink ports...you > get LOTS of speed? > > --Huck > > > David Trask wrote: > > >"Support list for opensource software in schools." on > >Monday, August 30, 2004 at 10:36 AM +0000 wrote: > > > > > >>Hello all, > >> I've seen the recommendation for gigabit NICs in the K12LTSP server > >>a number of times on this list and I have a question regarding that. > >>Currently I have 10/100Mb switches in place, and when I set up my shiny > >>new terminal server, I used only one NIC and just tied it into my > >>existing network so that it can be accessed from anywhere on the LAN. > >>So, here's my question: With everything else on my LAN being 10/100 > >>would gigabit help me at all. I could buy a new gigabit switch and > >>connect the server to it and it to the rest of my network, but it seems > >>to me that I would just be moving the bottleneck up the stream a few > >>inches. Is my thinking correct, or would a gigabit switch, even if it's > >>the only one on the network, be advantageous? I welcome any thoughts on > >>the subject. > >> > >> > > > > > >Liken it to this....if you have 25 kids in a room that need to go out to > >the hall and into 25 different classrooms...through a standard > >door...they'll do so, but they can only get out so fast. Now take the > >same scenario yet let them out through a garage door. Now the bottleneck > >shifts from the original classroom down to the other 25 rooms. In terms > >of servers....if you come out gigabit and go into a switch at > >gigabit...now the bottleneck has shifted down to the terminal...and the > >difference is huge! For instance...prior to gigabit...if 5 kids tried > >playing tux type....by the 6th kid...it was crawling almost ot the point > >of unplayable. Now with the exact same server (all I did was put in an > >SR24G2...24 ports of 10/100 and 2 ports of 10/100/1000 for uplink) and > >holy cow! The entire lab can play with no noticeable slowdown. > >OpenOffice pops right up..and so forth. The SR24G2 from Amer.com (don't > >go by the prices on the web page....email Michelle mboers at amer.com) > >it's only $179. Good price for what you get. > > > >David N. Trask > >Technology Teacher/Coordinator > >Vassalboro Community School > >dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > >(207)923-3100 > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From gary.frederick at jsoft.com Fri Sep 3 17:39:21 2004 From: gary.frederick at jsoft.com (Gary Frederick) Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 12:39:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Understanding ethernet - terminology and cables In-Reply-To: <4138A439.9060906@czexan.net> References: <00c601c4913c$9aeff960$1200005a@cad1> <413879F0.9040703@jsoft.com> <4138A439.9060906@czexan.net> Message-ID: <4138AC49.1090203@jsoft.com> Will do. A good idea that I would not have thought about. :-) I do not know what they are yet. I was told they have a lot of disk and plenty of memory. We don't need much power, this will be partly a setup to see how things work/ learn. Gee - I didn't even think about learning about raid. woo hoo! Gary Dale Sykora wrote: > Gary Frederick wrote: > >> I am supposta get some Compaq servers - quad? > > Gary, > Assuming your Compaq servers have raid/scsi controllers and multiple > pci busses, I would put the Gb ethernet card into a pci slot on a > seperate bus from the raid/scsi controller. This should better balance > the io traffic. > > Thanks, > > Dale > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From smoogen at lanl.gov Fri Sep 3 17:52:15 2004 From: smoogen at lanl.gov (Stephen J Smoogen) Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 11:52:15 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] A question about gigabit In-Reply-To: <4138A34A.6070806@paasda.org> References: <41333B65.3020506@honeygroveisd.net> <4138A34A.6070806@paasda.org> Message-ID: <4138AF4F.8040100@lanl.gov> Huck wrote: > So if you bond 2 gig nics and put them into the 2 gig uplink ports...you > get LOTS of speed? > > --Huck Bonding requires a lot of ifs.. first it depends on the cards. second it depends on the switch, third it depends on the machine, and fourth on the topology of the network. When I used to bond 100baseT cards together I would get about 75% of the added numbers. IE instead of getting 400 mbits with 4 cards.. we would get about 300 mbits. Still better than a poke in the eye with a stick.. but not what the customer was expecting. -- Stephen John Smoogen smoogen at lanl.gov Los Alamos National Lab CCN-5 | PH: 4-0645 Ta-03 SM-1498 MailStop B255 DP 10S Los Alamos, NM 87545 From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Sep 3 21:43:14 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 14:43:14 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] samba with macs Message-ID: <4138E572.1080900@paasda.org> running samba...on 4.1.0... mac OSX clients could see shares mac 9.something clients could see/make/access(however that chooser thing works) shares but.. 9.something clients don't see printers... they require the servername/ipaddress and a QUE... when I attach a printer to a thin client and it is shared with Samba is a QUE created? If so where could I find the name of it? I created the printer using the CUPS web utility http://localhost:631 named the printer careercenter and socket://ws170:9100 and it was attached to ws170.... so I made the MAC address entry in the lts.conf file for this workstation to allow access to it's printer... These work fine and dandy on Windows XP machines... but the macs deal with printers in a more 'funkified' manner... Hoping one of you Mac guru's out there might lend some insight? --Huck From haysja at sages.us Fri Sep 3 23:19:36 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 18:19:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] samba with macs In-Reply-To: <4138E572.1080900@paasda.org> References: <4138E572.1080900@paasda.org> Message-ID: <1094253576.4138fc086811a@sages.us> You might find what you need here http://netatalk.sourceforge.net/2.0/htmldocs/AppleVolumes.default.5.html http://k12linux.org/netadmin/netatalk.html http://www-uxsup.csx.cam.ac.uk/suse/adminguide/ch17s02.html Quoting Huck : > running samba...on 4.1.0... > mac OSX clients could see shares > mac 9.something clients could see/make/access(however that chooser thing > works) shares > > but.. 9.something clients don't see printers... > they require the servername/ipaddress and a QUE... > > when I attach a printer to a thin client and it is shared with Samba is > a QUE created? > If so where could I find the name of it? > > I created the printer using the CUPS web utility http://localhost:631 > > named the printer > > careercenter > > and socket://ws170:9100 > > and it was attached to ws170.... > so I made the MAC address entry in the lts.conf file for this > workstation to allow access to it's printer... > > > > These work fine and dandy on Windows XP machines... > but the macs deal with printers in a more 'funkified' manner... > > Hoping one of you Mac guru's out there might lend some insight? > > --Huck > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ----------------------------------------- Jim Hays Technology Director Monticello CUSD#25 Monticello, IL 61856 ----------------------------------------- From haysja at sages.us Fri Sep 3 23:11:37 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 18:11:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] samba with macs In-Reply-To: <4138E572.1080900@paasda.org> References: <4138E572.1080900@paasda.org> Message-ID: <1094253097.4138fa29159a7@sages.us> The first place to start would be to look at your atalk.conf file. Read the notes there to set up your Mac printers. Look at AppleVolumesDefault file for the file sharing with Appletalk. Quoting Huck : > running samba...on 4.1.0... > mac OSX clients could see shares > mac 9.something clients could see/make/access(however that chooser thing > works) shares > > but.. 9.something clients don't see printers... > they require the servername/ipaddress and a QUE... > > when I attach a printer to a thin client and it is shared with Samba is > a QUE created? > If so where could I find the name of it? > > I created the printer using the CUPS web utility http://localhost:631 > > named the printer > > careercenter > > and socket://ws170:9100 > > and it was attached to ws170.... > so I made the MAC address entry in the lts.conf file for this > workstation to allow access to it's printer... > > > > These work fine and dandy on Windows XP machines... > but the macs deal with printers in a more 'funkified' manner... > > Hoping one of you Mac guru's out there might lend some insight? > > --Huck > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ----------------------------------------- Jim Hays Technology Director Monticello CUSD#25 Monticello, IL 61856 ----------------------------------------- From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sat Sep 4 01:01:49 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 21:01:49 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Mondo fails in 4.1....won't go...ideas? Message-ID: Hi all, I'm trying to run Mondo Rescue on my K12LTSP box (4.1) FC2 and I get the following error. I noticed that /etc/modules.conf does not exist. Any suggestions? I got mondo via the K12LTSP repository using apt....so I'm wondering why it won't work. I don't want to get too far into it without consulting you guys. Happened on 2 systems. See below... ########################################## [root at k12ltsp root]# mondoarchive Initializing... See /var/log/mondo-archive.log for details of backup run. root is mounted at /dev/md1 I believe I am running on a live filesystem. root is mounted at /dev/md1 I believe I am running on a live filesystem. Checking sanity of your Linux distribution Please find out what happened to /etc/modules.conf Mindi --makemountlist failed for some reason. Bad fstab file? Failed. ---FATALERROR--- Failed to pre-param initialize Please contact the mailing list. See http://www.mondorescue.com for more information on how to do that. Enclose your compressed logfile or we CANNOT HELP. Log file: /var/log/mondo-archive.log FYI, I have gzipped the log and saved it to /tmp/MA.log.gz Mondo has aborted. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From ddaniels at magic.fr Sat Sep 4 01:37:33 2004 From: ddaniels at magic.fr (Dennis Daniels) Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 18:37:33 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Student Process Reaper Script In-Reply-To: <1094219547.5413.297.camel@phoenix> References: <1094219547.5413.297.camel@phoenix> Message-ID: <41391C5D.1080903@magic.fr> Hmm, very nice! I wonder if there might be a GUI for grouping user access perms to applications... for a couple of my students I don't want them playing any games at all! :) great idea Henry! Dennis Henry Burroughs wrote: > I wrote a script this morning to keep the students in my classes from > playing games/chess/web browsing during my classes (I don't want to > uninstall games, and that doesn't stop the browsing). Basically, the > script is an infinite loop (always wanted to have a "while (true)" loop) > that reads 2 variables from a file that you specify on the command line > (ctrl-c stops it). It just loops and does a ps list for each user and > picks the pids of the programs you don't want them to run, and kills > them... here's the contents from my 1st period file I use: > > #1st_period.reap > #1st Period - no mozilla, no chess, no Maelstrom > REAP_USERS="cfraser afuller mandrews rladd cpawley" > > REAP_PROGS="mozilla-bin gnuchess Maelstrom" > > > So I run ./class_reaper.sh 1st_period.reap > > > You have to run it as root at the moment... DO NOT RUN THIS USING > SUDO!!!!!!!!!!! > As you can imagine, a malicious user who has access to run it could > terminate any users programs, as well as gdm, root, etc!!!! If someone > wants to make it SUDO safe (ie: protect root, etc... or users under a > UID # range), and not kill users within specific groups (ie: > Faculty).... you are quite welcome to. > > I've thought about making it interactive... ie: as students finish an > assignment, I can release them while not having to terminate the script > and reload the new text file. > > > Henry Burroughs > Technology Director > Hilton Head Preparatory School > www.hhprep.org > hburroughs at hhprep.org > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > # Class/period process reaper > # Copyright Henry Burroughs > > # This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify > # it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by > # the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the License, or > # (at your option) any later version. > > # This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, > # but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of > # MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the > # GNU General Public License for more details. > > # You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License > # along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software > # Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place, Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111-1307 USA > > > #!/bin/bash > > if [ $# -ne 1 ]; then > echo "Please provide file with REAP_USERS & REAP_PROGS variables"; > exit; > fi > > . $1 #Load info > > #BUILD GREPLIST > for prog in $REAP_PROGS; do > GREP_LIST="$GREP_LIST -e $prog"; > done > > while (true); do > for user in $REAP_USERS; do > PROG_LIST=`ps h -u $user 2> /dev/null | grep $GREP_LIST`; > #echo $PROG_LIST|cut -d" " -f 1; > kill `echo $PROG_LIST|cut -d" " -f 1` 2> /dev/null; > done > done > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From cliebow at downeast.net Sat Sep 4 01:37:27 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 01:37:27 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Mondo fails in 4.1....won't go...ideas? Message-ID: <200409040144.i841i6T20694@downeast.net> don't new distros switch to conf.modules or sometging..might make a simlink...chuck > Hi all, > > I'm trying to run Mondo Rescue on my K12LTSP box (4.1) FC2 and I get the > following error. I noticed that /etc/modules.conf does not exist. Any > suggestions? I got mondo via the K12LTSP repository using apt....so I'm > wondering why it won't work. I don't want to get too far into it without > consulting you guys. Happened on 2 systems. See below... > ########################################## > > [root at k12ltsp root]# mondoarchive > Initializing... > See /var/log/mondo-archive.log for details of backup run. > root is mounted at /dev/md1 > I believe I am running on a live filesystem. > root is mounted at /dev/md1 > I believe I am running on a live filesystem. > Checking sanity of your Linux distribution > Please find out what happened to /etc/modules.conf > Mindi --makemountlist failed for some reason. Bad fstab file? > Failed. > ---FATALERROR--- Failed to pre-param initialize > Please contact the mailing list. See http://www.mondorescue.com > for more information on how to do that. > Enclose your compressed logfile or we CANNOT HELP. > Log file: /var/log/mondo-archive.log > FYI, I have gzipped the log and saved it to /tmp/MA.log.gz > Mondo has aborted. > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From bimalp at indoasian.com Fri Sep 3 13:46:15 2004 From: bimalp at indoasian.com (bimal pandit) Date: 03 Sep 2004 19:16:15 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] recovery and scroll mouse... Message-ID: <1094219174.23865.2.camel@server.ltsp> Dear All, i had few queries as i am still lokking for some solution on these :- i am using ltsp-3.0.2 on redhat linux 9.0 1)since my users(Thin Client Nodes) are working on the server(LTSP-model), and suddenly due to power fluctuation(though we have UPS) sometimes UPS could not handle it and system gets rebooted, in this situation the files which were opened and in which the user was working(has not saved) also gets lost, but since the server is still up and running perfectly , how can i retrieve their data. for e.g. a user was working in openoffice on a document "abc.doc" now he has done various editing partin it but has not saved and suddenly system(his) goes down, but as the processes are running on the server how can i reterieve his file as it was?? also is there a way to do it auto save after every say 30 sec.??, which could also save a bit of prob. 2)also how can i make use of scroll button of mouse for my clients, as we can do for normal system using in XF86config "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" hope someone has the answer or a pointer to it. regards, bimal From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sat Sep 4 03:41:02 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 23:41:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Mondo fails in 4.1....won't go...ideas? In-Reply-To: <200409040144.i841i6T20694@downeast.net> References: <200409040144.i841i6T20694@downeast.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >don't new distros switch to conf.modules or sometging..might make a >simlink...chuck Nope nothing there....the only one I see is in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/modules.conf Do you that that's it? It's an empty file. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From sudev at mantraonline.com Sat Sep 4 04:13:36 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 09:43:36 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] recovery and scroll mouse... In-Reply-To: <1094219174.23865.2.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1094219174.23865.2.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <1094271216.10075.1.camel@server.ltsp> On Fri, 2004-09-03 at 19:16, bimal pandit wrote: > 2)also how can i make use of scroll button of mouse for my clients, as > we can do for normal system using in XF86config > > "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" Set the following in the lts.conf file: X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "IMPS/2" X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/psaux" X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 3 HTH -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From sudev at mantraonline.com Sat Sep 4 04:18:04 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 09:48:04 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] recovery and scroll mouse... In-Reply-To: <1094219174.23865.2.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1094219174.23865.2.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <1094271483.10075.6.camel@server.ltsp> On Fri, 2004-09-03 at 19:16, bimal pandit wrote: > 1)since my users(Thin Client Nodes) are working on the > server(LTSP-model), and suddenly due to power fluctuation(though we have > UPS) sometimes UPS could not handle it and system gets rebooted, in this > situation the files which were opened and in which the user was > working(has not saved) also gets lost, but since the server is still up > and running perfectly , how can i retrieve their data. Is possible if you do not purge the process in login / logoff script, although I had set it once using IceWM details are buried somewhere. But if you are saving the document every few minutes then should not be a problem. > also is there a way to do it auto save after every say 30 sec.??, which > could also save a bit of prob. Setting for this is OO itself. HTH -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From ddaniels at magic.fr Sat Sep 4 04:25:46 2004 From: ddaniels at magic.fr (Dennis Daniels) Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 21:25:46 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] recovery and scroll mouse... In-Reply-To: <1094271216.10075.1.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1094219174.23865.2.camel@server.ltsp> <1094271216.10075.1.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <413943CA.8090101@magic.fr> wikified :) http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/LTSP I like the edit by subsection of LQ. It's very much like wikipedia which is a god-send. Dennis Sudev Barar wrote: > On Fri, 2004-09-03 at 19:16, bimal pandit wrote: > >>2)also how can i make use of scroll button of mouse for my clients, as >>we can do for normal system using in XF86config >> >> "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" > > Set the following in the lts.conf file: > > X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "IMPS/2" > X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/psaux" > X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 3 > > > HTH From les at futuresource.com Sat Sep 4 05:29:50 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 00:29:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mondo fails in 4.1....won't go...ideas? In-Reply-To: References: <200409040144.i841i6T20694@downeast.net> Message-ID: <1094275789.18015.1.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-09-03 at 22:41, David Trask wrote: > Nope nothing there....the only one I see is in > /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/modules.conf Do you that that's it? It's an empty > file. It's modprobe.conf for the 2.6 kernel. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Sat Sep 4 14:12:37 2004 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 09:12:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] recovery and scroll mouse... In-Reply-To: <1094219174.23865.2.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1094219174.23865.2.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <7985443B-FE7C-11D8-B1BA-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Is there an XF86config file in your ltsp share with the mapping set up? Or did you only do this on the server? On Sep 3, 2004, at 8:46 AM, bimal pandit wrote: > Dear All, > > i had few queries as i am still lokking for some solution on these :- > > i am using ltsp-3.0.2 on redhat linux 9.0 > > 1)since my users(Thin Client Nodes) are working on the > server(LTSP-model), and suddenly due to power fluctuation(though we > have > UPS) sometimes UPS could not handle it and system gets rebooted, in > this > situation the files which were opened and in which the user was > working(has not saved) also gets lost, but since the server is still up > and running perfectly , how can i retrieve their data. > > for e.g. a user was working in openoffice on a document > "abc.doc" now he has done various editing partin it but has not saved > and suddenly system(his) goes down, but as the processes are running on > the server how can i reterieve his file as it was?? > > also is there a way to do it auto save after every say 30 sec.??, which > could also save a bit of prob. > > 2)also how can i make use of scroll button of mouse for my clients, as > we can do for normal system using in XF86config > > "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" > > hope someone has the answer or a pointer to it. > > regards, > > bimal > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkE5zVYACgkQfqZR3ThMfXTw6gCfSguirILxWWG6T9EY+FL8H88S tXoAn03N3C/ZtwaLChIZ3s6eHRrvxbPN =GoCf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sat Sep 4 14:36:39 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 10:36:39 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Mondo fails in 4.1....won't go...ideas? In-Reply-To: <1094275789.18015.1.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <200409040144.i841i6T20694@downeast.net> < > <1094275789.18015.1.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >It's modprobe.conf for the 2.6 kernel. so do you think a symlink will solve it? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From les at futuresource.com Sat Sep 4 14:58:56 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 09:58:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mondo fails in 4.1....won't go...ideas? In-Reply-To: References: <200409040144.i841i6T20694@downeast.net> < > <1094275789.18015.1.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1094309936.19418.13.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2004-09-04 at 09:36, David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." > writes: > >It's modprobe.conf for the 2.6 kernel. > so do you think a symlink will solve it? If it doesn't you may need an update to mondo. I would guess that it has to do approximately the same thing as mkinitrd does to build a ramdisk that will provide all the modules you need to boot the machine. I haven't tried mondo, mostly because knoppix and the current fedora install disks will do a bare-metal boot on most hardware and then let you get to a shell where you can format the disks and drop in a tar backup over the network. If you understand fdisk, mke2fs, and tar you can rebuild on somewhat different hardware or with different disk partitioning. My impression of mondo was that it just put things back the way they were. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jeremy at sheltonbusinessmachines.com Sat Sep 4 15:13:16 2004 From: jeremy at sheltonbusinessmachines.com (Jeremy Lampe) Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 15:13:16 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Sleep Problem Message-ID: <341D3A1042CB@mail.sheltonbusinessmachines.com> I am having a problem with my clients starting to boot and then going to a sleep error. It is not on every client and it is not constantly happening. About once a day I will get a message from a teacher saying her machines are sleeping. At first I thought she was talking about Screensaver/PowerSaver stuff. I went over and she told me that it was happening as it booted and showed me where it was happening (wasn't doing it while I was there). So, does anyone have any tips or ideas on why I am having this unconsistent intermittent sleep problem? I haven't personally seen it happen so I don't know if it is happening looking for the DHCP server or loading the kernel. I do know that she has 2 clients and it only happens on one at a time. Thanks, Jeremy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeremy at sheltonbusinessmachines.com Sat Sep 4 15:20:15 2004 From: jeremy at sheltonbusinessmachines.com (Jeremy Lampe) Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 15:20:15 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP v4.1 Message-ID: <342395C01D21@mail.sheltonbusinessmachines.com> Is K12LTSP 4.1 based on Fedora Core 2? Thanks Jeremy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sat Sep 4 15:31:46 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 11:31:46 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Mondo fails in 4.1....won't go...ideas? In-Reply-To: <1094309936.19418.13.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <200409040144.i841i6T20694@downeast.net> < > < > < > <1094275789.18015.1.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> < > <1094309936.19418.13.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: I have very little for backup....and was simply at least getting some disaster recovery in place. I need the least down time if possible. I'm open to all sorts of backup scenarios if folks can point me to them or how-to them for me....I've got lots of NFS shares going back and forth between many servers...so there's room "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >If it doesn't you may need an update to mondo. I would guess >that it has to do approximately the same thing as >mkinitrd does to build a ramdisk that will provide all the >modules you need to boot the machine. I haven't tried >mondo, mostly because knoppix and the current fedora >install disks will do a bare-metal boot on most hardware >and then let you get to a shell where you can format the >disks and drop in a tar backup over the network. If >you understand fdisk, mke2fs, and tar you can rebuild >on somewhat different hardware or with different disk >partitioning. My impression of mondo was that it just >put things back the way they were. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From bear2bar at netscape.net Sat Sep 4 16:01:46 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 12:01:46 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] upgrade 4.0.1 to 4.1 Message-ID: <4139E6EA.6060804@netscape.net> Hi all, Just a quick question, is it better to reinstall or is it "safe" to upgrade from 4.0.1 to 4.1 thanks norbert From cliebow at downeast.net Sat Sep 4 22:20:31 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 22:20:31 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] upgrade 4.0.1 to 4.1 Message-ID: <200409042227.i84MR5Q05119@downeast.net> hi norbert....i just renmae the /opt/ltsp/i386 folder to 1386-4 and change the root path in dhcpd.conf to that...then you can installl 4.1 using the default path of i386...the two file systems can cosxist just fine...in my system i have ltsp 3 4 4.1 and ppc all paralle to each other chuck > Hi all, > > Just a quick question, is it better to reinstall or is it "safe" to > upgrade from 4.0.1 to 4.1 > > thanks > norbert > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From bear2bar at netscape.net Sat Sep 4 22:52:11 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 18:52:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] upgrade 4.0.1 to 4.1 In-Reply-To: <200409042227.i84MR5Q05119@downeast.net> References: <200409042227.i84MR5Q05119@downeast.net> Message-ID: <413A471B.7020709@netscape.net> Hi, Thanks but I don't quite understand .... do I rename and then upgrade ? or install a second 4.1 kernel.... norbert cliebow at downeast.net wrote: >hi norbert....i just renmae the /opt/ltsp/i386 folder to 1386-4 and change >the root path in dhcpd.conf to that...then you can installl 4.1 using the >default path of i386...the two file systems can cosxist just fine...in my >system i have ltsp 3 4 4.1 and ppc all paralle to each other >chuck > > >>Hi all, >> >>Just a quick question, is it better to reinstall or is it "safe" to >>upgrade from 4.0.1 to 4.1 >> >>thanks >>norbert >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > > >--------------------------------------------- >This message was sent from Downeast.Net. >http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jam at mcquil.com Sat Sep 4 22:59:47 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 18:59:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] upgrade 4.0.1 to 4.1 In-Reply-To: <413A471B.7020709@netscape.net> References: <200409042227.i84MR5Q05119@downeast.net> <413A471B.7020709@netscape.net> Message-ID: Norbert, Are you wanting to install LTSP-4.1, or are you wanting to upgrade your entire k12ltsp system to 4.1 ? If you just want to add LTSP-4.1 to your existing system, then just go ahead and rename /opt/ltsp to /opt/ltsp-4, and then install LTSP-4.1 to /opt/ltsp. Then, you can have some workstations using ltsp-4 and others use ltsp-4.1. If you want to upgrade your k12ltsp system to the latest, then you have a choice of doing an in-place upgrade, or wiping the system clean and doing a new install. I always prefer a full re-install, rather than an in-place upgrade, but that's just me. Others prefer the in-place upgrade. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Sat, 4 Sep 2004, norbert wrote: > Hi, > > Thanks but I don't quite understand .... do I rename and then upgrade ? or > install a second 4.1 kernel.... > > norbert > > cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > >> hi norbert....i just renmae the /opt/ltsp/i386 folder to 1386-4 and change >> the root path in dhcpd.conf to that...then you can installl 4.1 using the >> default path of i386...the two file systems can cosxist just fine...in my >> system i have ltsp 3 4 4.1 and ppc all paralle to each other >> chuck >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> Just a quick question, is it better to reinstall or is it "safe" to >>> upgrade from 4.0.1 to 4.1 >>> >>> thanks >>> norbert >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >>> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------- >> This message was sent from Downeast.Net. >> http://ellsworthme.com/ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > From cliebow at downeast.net Sat Sep 4 22:54:44 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 22:54:44 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] upgrade 4.0.1 to 4.1 Message-ID: <200409042301.i84N1IQ08124@downeast.net> far as i know you can use any of he kernels..i have em all mixed together... > Hi, > > Thanks but I don't quite understand .... do I rename and then upgrade ? > or install a second 4.1 kernel.... > > norbert > > cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > > >hi norbert....i just renmae the /opt/ltsp/i386 folder to 1386-4 and change > >the root path in dhcpd.conf to that...then you can installl 4.1 using the > >default path of i386...the two file systems can cosxist just fine...in my > >system i have ltsp 3 4 4.1 and ppc all paralle to each other > >chuck > > > > > >>Hi all, > >> > >>Just a quick question, is it better to reinstall or is it "safe" to > >>upgrade from 4.0.1 to 4.1 > >> > >>thanks > >>norbert > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>K12OSN mailing list > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>For more info see > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >--------------------------------------------- > >This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > >http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From cliebow at downeast.net Sat Sep 4 22:56:22 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 22:56:22 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] upgrade 4.0.1 to 4.1 Message-ID: <200409042302.i84N2tQ08289@downeast.net> far as i know you can use any of he kernels..don't necessarily HAVE o use the new kernel... > Hi, > > Thanks but I don't quite understand .... do I rename and then upgrade ? > or install a second 4.1 kernel.... > > norbert > > cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > > >hi norbert....i just renmae the /opt/ltsp/i386 folder to 1386-4 and change > >the root path in dhcpd.conf to that...then you can installl 4.1 using the > >default path of i386...the two file systems can cosxist just fine...in my > >system i have ltsp 3 4 4.1 and ppc all paralle to each other > >chuck > > > > > >>Hi all, > >> > >>Just a quick question, is it better to reinstall or is it "safe" to > >>upgrade from 4.0.1 to 4.1 > >> > >>thanks > >>norbert > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>K12OSN mailing list > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>For more info see > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >--------------------------------------------- > >This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > >http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From dahopkins at comcast.net Sun Sep 5 01:14:56 2004 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 01:14:56 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: OO Laoading Problems Message-ID: <090520040114.6155.413A68900004E44D0000180B22007347489C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Peter, Since you re-installed everything, this is probably not the answer, but if grasping at straws ... Delete the file $HOME/[OO-Dir]/user/psprint/pspfontcache I have had problems ooo loading very slowly due to this with several users. Deleting the above file fixes it. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins -------------- Original message -------------- > Hi Guys > > I am having problems with OO loading very slowly about 40 sec from launching > be it from an icon or terminal, this is only since I upgrade to 4.1. The > server in question has run 3.2 without any problems. At the moment I am the > only user and it does the same on both the terminals and on the sever itself. > The task bar shows that OO is loading for most of the time , this disappears > as though it is not going to load then a few seconds later the OO splash > screen appears > > It is an ASUS Mobo XP2800 with 1.5G memory and 36G SCSI drive > > I have built a new server which has a similar spec but a MSI Mobo and a WD > SATA drive and this does exactly the same. > > The curious thing is I installed 4.1 on my home server a few weeks ago and OO > loads up in about 6 sec. (this machine is a MSI Mobo XP2600 with 1G memory and > a normal ATA drive.) > > I did note from previous posts on a similar issue that S3 video card cause > some problems. The new set up did have a S3 card in it, so I have changed that > and reloaded 4.1 from scratch without any improvement. I have check what's > going on with Top during the waiting period. Memory usage is less that 1G and > and the processor usage is about 2% sleeping process 85, zombies 0 > > Any thought would be much appreciated > > Regards > > Peter Deakin > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les at futuresource.com Sun Sep 5 02:38:09 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 21:38:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mondo fails in 4.1....won't go...ideas? In-Reply-To: References: <200409040144.i841i6T20694@downeast.net> < > < > < > <1094275789.18015.1.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> < > <1094309936.19418.13.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1094351889.27742.13.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2004-09-04 at 10:31, David Trask wrote: > I have very little for backup....and was simply at least getting some > disaster recovery in place. I need the least down time if possible. I'm > open to all sorts of backup scenarios if folks can point me to them or > how-to them for me....I've got lots of NFS shares going back and forth > between many servers...so there's room I've mentioned it before but my favorite is still backuppc from http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/ It uses a clever scheme of compression and links to minimize the space needed for online backups and has a nice web interface to browse through and restore them. It is about as easy as it gets for the common case of needing a file or directory from a few days back and with a bootable CD like knoppix or the rescue mode of the fedora install disk and a little work you can do a bare-metal restore. For the latter you have to ssh the command line to the backup server to send the tar image you want and pipe it to a local tar restore command. It's especially good if you have several servers and/or a mix of Linux and windows to back up because it does them all automatically and gives you a single place to control them and do restores. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From sudev at mantraonline.com Sun Sep 5 03:17:29 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 08:47:29 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Sleep Problem In-Reply-To: <341D3A1042CB@mail.sheltonbusinessmachines.com> References: <341D3A1042CB@mail.sheltonbusinessmachines.com> Message-ID: <1094354249.3685.2.camel@roop.ltsp> On Fri, 2002-01-04 at 21:39, Jeremy Lampe wrote: > I am having a problem with my clients starting to boot and then going > to a sleep error. It is not on every client and it is not constantly > happening. About once a day I will get a message from a teacher > saying her machines are sleeping. At first I thought she was talking > about Screensaver/PowerSaver stuff. I went over and she told me that > it was happening as it booted and showed me where it was happening > (wasn???t doing it while I was there). So, does anyone have any tips or > ideas on why I am having this unconsistent intermittent sleep > problem? I haven???t personally seen it happen so I don???t know if it is > happening looking for the DHCP server or loading the kernel. I do > know that she has 2 clients and it only happens on one at a time. Is your network on a hub? Are there more than one dhcpd servers in the network? What is the maximum sessions set at? List could be more without knowing your setup. Also you are likely to get better response if you use plain text posting rather than HTML. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From bear2bar at netscape.net Sun Sep 5 03:17:20 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 23:17:20 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] upgrade 4.0.1 to 4.1 In-Reply-To: References: <200409042227.i84MR5Q05119@downeast.net> <413A471B.7020709@netscape.net> Message-ID: <413A8540.8010400@netscape.net> Hi Jim, I'm currently using 4.0.1 on my home system and wanted to know if an upgrade to 4.1 would be "safe" or if I should go through the hassle of a clean install. thks norbert jam at mcquil.com wrote: > Norbert, > > Are you wanting to install LTSP-4.1, or are you wanting to upgrade > your entire k12ltsp system to 4.1 ? > > If you just want to add LTSP-4.1 to your existing system, then just > go ahead and rename /opt/ltsp to /opt/ltsp-4, and then install LTSP-4.1 > to /opt/ltsp. Then, you can have some workstations using ltsp-4 and > others use ltsp-4.1. > > If you want to upgrade your k12ltsp system to the latest, then you > have a choice of doing an in-place upgrade, or wiping the system clean > and doing a new install. > > I always prefer a full re-install, rather than an in-place upgrade, but > that's just me. Others prefer the in-place upgrade. > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > On Sat, 4 Sep 2004, norbert wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Thanks but I don't quite understand .... do I rename and then upgrade >> ? or install a second 4.1 kernel.... >> >> norbert >> >> cliebow at downeast.net wrote: >> >>> hi norbert....i just renmae the /opt/ltsp/i386 folder to 1386-4 and >>> change >>> the root path in dhcpd.conf to that...then you can installl 4.1 >>> using the >>> default path of i386...the two file systems can cosxist just >>> fine...in my >>> system i have ltsp 3 4 4.1 and ppc all paralle to each other >>> chuck >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> Just a quick question, is it better to reinstall or is it "safe" to >>>> upgrade from 4.0.1 to 4.1 >>>> >>>> thanks >>>> norbert >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> For more info see >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------- >>> This message was sent from Downeast.Net. >>> http://ellsworthme.com/ >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From sudev at mantraonline.com Sun Sep 5 03:41:19 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 09:11:19 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Mondo fails in 4.1....won't go...ideas? In-Reply-To: References: <200409040144.i841i6T20694@downeast.net> < > < > < > <1094275789.18015.1.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> < > <1094309936.19418.13.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1094355679.3875.4.camel@roop.ltsp> On Sat, 2004-09-04 at 21:01, David Trask wrote: > I have very little for backup....and was simply at least getting some > disaster recovery in place. I need the least down time if possible. I'm > open to all sorts of backup scenarios if folks can point me to them or > how-to them for me....I've got lots of NFS shares going back and forth > between many servers...so there's room Maybe not the best way but with disk costs as they are rsync is the option that I am using. Just run rsync from crontab periodically between two server and you have up to date backup. Once a week rsync is run for backup on a third server (a floppy booted thin client during the week) for weekly snapshots. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From aimssda at cscoms.com Sun Sep 5 04:24:02 2004 From: aimssda at cscoms.com (Edwardson Pedragosa) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 11:24:02 +0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Broadcom 440x In-Reply-To: <20040903135238.25F1C739FF@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <000401c49300$30ceaa70$0100a8c0@AIMSSERV> You mean just the kernel for LTSP? How will I do that? Thanks Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 08:30:28 -0500 From: Brock Noland Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Broadcom 440x To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Message-ID: <741dcbb804090306304ba15934 at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I have NO idea how to make it work with LTSP, but I know how to make it work in general. If you rebuild your kernel you can build it right in under Device Drivers. (2.6.x) Brock On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 16:02:46 +0700, Edwardson Pedragosa wrote: > My username and password are the same. It's my student id #: 2383858 > > >From: Brock Noland > >Reply-To: Brock Noland > >To: Craig Kurth > >Subject: CARS > >Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 00:08:32 -0500 > > > >Hey whats your CARS username and password. > > > > > > > >I do not think I will post my resume since you could *possibly* get > >kicked off because of that, but I will use it to find some people who > >are hiring!! > > > >Thanks > >Brock > > > >PS If you don't have time to come to Sumerset thats cool. I am SURE > >that I have not paid you for at least one or maybe more concerts. So > >just I will just take care of this one whether you decide to come or > >not. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to > School Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04backtoschool.armx > > From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sun Sep 5 13:49:52 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 09:49:52 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Broadcom 440x In-Reply-To: <000401c49300$30ceaa70$0100a8c0@AIMSSERV> References: <000401c49300$30ceaa70$0100a8c0@AIMSSERV> Message-ID: <413B1980.7020209@cmosnetworks.com> Actually, LTSP itself has no kernel, nor does LTSP itself care which kind of NIC you're using on your server. LTSP is, like OpenOffice.org or Mozilla, an application that runs on top of an existing operating system, in this case, GNU/Linux. It is the Linux kernel for which you would do this, because device drivers run in kernel, i. e. "Ring 0" mode. You may wish to take a visit over to http://www.kernel.org/ to get a bit more information about what's being talked about here. That's how I learned how to rebuild kernels back when I was still a Windows NT admin; it was actually quite helpful. I would also suggest http://www.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html, which, while somewhat politically biased, does provide a good explanation, "in English," how kernels relate to the entire OS. This might help clear up what is being suggested below. --TP Edwardson Pedragosa wrote: >You mean just the kernel for LTSP? How will I do that? > >Thanks > >Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 08:30:28 -0500 >From: Brock Noland >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Broadcom 440x >To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > >Message-ID: <741dcbb804090306304ba15934 at mail.gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > >I have NO idea how to make it work with LTSP, but I know how to make >it work in general. If you rebuild your kernel you can build it right >in under Device Drivers. (2.6.x) > >Brock > > >On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 16:02:46 +0700, Edwardson Pedragosa > wrote: > > >>My username and password are the same. It's my student id #: 2383858 >> >> >> >>>From: Brock Noland >>>Reply-To: Brock Noland >>>To: Craig Kurth >>>Subject: CARS >>>Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 00:08:32 -0500 >>> >>>Hey whats your CARS username and password. >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >>>I do not think I will post my resume since you could *possibly* get >>>kicked off because of that, but I will use it to find some people who >>>are hiring!! >>> >>>Thanks >>>Brock >>> >>>PS If you don't have time to come to Sumerset thats cool. I am SURE >>>that I have not paid you for at least one or maybe more concerts. So >>>just I will just take care of this one whether you decide to come or >>>not. >>> >>> From patmo98 at yahoo.com Sun Sep 5 16:33:12 2004 From: patmo98 at yahoo.com (Patrick Mohr) Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 09:33:12 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] dansguardian and squid won't play together In-Reply-To: <4137F2F3.4020409@pacifier.com> References: <20040826.Q74.61159800@192.168.10.16> <4137F2F3.4020409@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <413B3FC8.3000400@yahoo.com> Duane Wilson wrote: > Another really basic question: > In squid.conf there are multiple references to default settings - > all of which are commented out! Do I need to uncomment them to make > the default work or do these settings work without being explicitly > designated in the conf file? > > Thanks, > Duane Wilson > > No, these are their so if you change them just uncomment the line, and then change the value. -Patrick From les at futuresource.com Sun Sep 5 18:12:46 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 13:12:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] dansguardian and squid won't play together In-Reply-To: <413B3FC8.3000400@yahoo.com> References: <20040826.Q74.61159800@192.168.10.16> <4137F2F3.4020409@pacifier.com> <413B3FC8.3000400@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1094407965.25969.4.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2004-09-05 at 11:33, Patrick Mohr wrote: > No, these are their so if you change them just uncomment the line, and > then change the value. Or, copy the commented line (ddPP in vi when not in insert mode) and uncomment and change the value in the copied line. Then you can still see the default value later. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From bear2bar at netscape.net Sun Sep 5 21:01:26 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 17:01:26 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] upgrade 4.0.1 to 4.1 In-Reply-To: References: <200409042227.i84MR5Q05119@downeast.net> <413A471B.7020709@netscape.net> Message-ID: <413B7EA6.5090008@netscape.net> Hi Jim, Can I upgrade using apt or yum and are there any known issues ? Oh the syntax to upgrade would be appreciated too. thks norbert jam at mcquil.com wrote: > Norbert, > > Are you wanting to install LTSP-4.1, or are you wanting to upgrade > your entire k12ltsp system to 4.1 ? > > If you just want to add LTSP-4.1 to your existing system, then just > go ahead and rename /opt/ltsp to /opt/ltsp-4, and then install LTSP-4.1 > to /opt/ltsp. Then, you can have some workstations using ltsp-4 and > others use ltsp-4.1. > > If you want to upgrade your k12ltsp system to the latest, then you > have a choice of doing an in-place upgrade, or wiping the system clean > and doing a new install. > > I always prefer a full re-install, rather than an in-place upgrade, but > that's just me. Others prefer the in-place upgrade. > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > On Sat, 4 Sep 2004, norbert wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Thanks but I don't quite understand .... do I rename and then upgrade >> ? or install a second 4.1 kernel.... >> >> norbert >> >> cliebow at downeast.net wrote: >> >>> hi norbert....i just renmae the /opt/ltsp/i386 folder to 1386-4 and >>> change >>> the root path in dhcpd.conf to that...then you can installl 4.1 >>> using the >>> default path of i386...the two file systems can cosxist just >>> fine...in my >>> system i have ltsp 3 4 4.1 and ppc all paralle to each other >>> chuck >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> Just a quick question, is it better to reinstall or is it "safe" to >>>> upgrade from 4.0.1 to 4.1 >>>> >>>> thanks >>>> norbert >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> For more info see >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------- >>> This message was sent from Downeast.Net. >>> http://ellsworthme.com/ >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jam at mcquil.com Sun Sep 5 21:10:55 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 17:10:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] upgrade 4.0.1 to 4.1 In-Reply-To: <413B7EA6.5090008@netscape.net> References: <200409042227.i84MR5Q05119@downeast.net> <413A471B.7020709@netscape.net> <413B7EA6.5090008@netscape.net> Message-ID: Norbert, Sorry, i'm the LTSP guy, not the K12ltsp guy. I'm not really sure what the procedure is for updating k12ltsp to the latest version. Jim. On Sun, 5 Sep 2004, norbert wrote: > Hi Jim, > > Can I upgrade using apt or yum and are there any known issues ? Oh the syntax > to upgrade would be appreciated too. > > thks > norbert > > jam at mcquil.com wrote: > >> Norbert, >> >> Are you wanting to install LTSP-4.1, or are you wanting to upgrade your >> entire k12ltsp system to 4.1 ? >> >> If you just want to add LTSP-4.1 to your existing system, then just >> go ahead and rename /opt/ltsp to /opt/ltsp-4, and then install LTSP-4.1 >> to /opt/ltsp. Then, you can have some workstations using ltsp-4 and others >> use ltsp-4.1. >> >> If you want to upgrade your k12ltsp system to the latest, then you >> have a choice of doing an in-place upgrade, or wiping the system clean and >> doing a new install. >> >> I always prefer a full re-install, rather than an in-place upgrade, but >> that's just me. Others prefer the in-place upgrade. >> >> Jim McQuillan >> jam at Ltsp.org >> >> >> >> On Sat, 4 Sep 2004, norbert wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Thanks but I don't quite understand .... do I rename and then upgrade ? or >>> install a second 4.1 kernel.... >>> >>> norbert >>> >>> cliebow at downeast.net wrote: >>> >>>> hi norbert....i just renmae the /opt/ltsp/i386 folder to 1386-4 and >>>> change >>>> the root path in dhcpd.conf to that...then you can installl 4.1 using the >>>> default path of i386...the two file systems can cosxist just fine...in my >>>> system i have ltsp 3 4 4.1 and ppc all paralle to each other >>>> chuck >>>> >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> Just a quick question, is it better to reinstall or is it "safe" to >>>>> upgrade from 4.0.1 to 4.1 >>>>> >>>>> thanks >>>>> norbert >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>> For more info see >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------- >>>> This message was sent from Downeast.Net. >>>> http://ellsworthme.com/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> For more info see >>>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From bear2bar at netscape.net Sun Sep 5 21:22:18 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 17:22:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] upgrade 4.0.1 to 4.1 In-Reply-To: References: <200409042227.i84MR5Q05119@downeast.net> <413A471B.7020709@netscape.net> <413B7EA6.5090008@netscape.net> Message-ID: <413B838A.7090709@netscape.net> Jim, OH ! thks anyway.. I'll try eric... norbert jam at mcquil.com wrote: > Norbert, > > Sorry, i'm the LTSP guy, not the K12ltsp guy. I'm not really sure > what the procedure is for updating k12ltsp to the latest version. > > Jim. > > > On Sun, 5 Sep 2004, norbert wrote: > >> Hi Jim, >> >> Can I upgrade using apt or yum and are there any known issues ? Oh >> the syntax to upgrade would be appreciated too. >> >> thks >> norbert >> >> jam at mcquil.com wrote: >> >>> Norbert, >>> >>> Are you wanting to install LTSP-4.1, or are you wanting to upgrade >>> your entire k12ltsp system to 4.1 ? >>> >>> If you just want to add LTSP-4.1 to your existing system, then just >>> go ahead and rename /opt/ltsp to /opt/ltsp-4, and then install LTSP-4.1 >>> to /opt/ltsp. Then, you can have some workstations using ltsp-4 and >>> others use ltsp-4.1. >>> >>> If you want to upgrade your k12ltsp system to the latest, then you >>> have a choice of doing an in-place upgrade, or wiping the system >>> clean and doing a new install. >>> >>> I always prefer a full re-install, rather than an in-place upgrade, but >>> that's just me. Others prefer the in-place upgrade. >>> >>> Jim McQuillan >>> jam at Ltsp.org >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, 4 Sep 2004, norbert wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> Thanks but I don't quite understand .... do I rename and then >>>> upgrade ? or install a second 4.1 kernel.... >>>> >>>> norbert >>>> >>>> cliebow at downeast.net wrote: >>>> >>>>> hi norbert....i just renmae the /opt/ltsp/i386 folder to 1386-4 >>>>> and change >>>>> the root path in dhcpd.conf to that...then you can installl 4.1 >>>>> using the >>>>> default path of i386...the two file systems can cosxist just >>>>> fine...in my >>>>> system i have ltsp 3 4 4.1 and ppc all paralle to each other >>>>> chuck >>>>> >>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>> >>>>>> Just a quick question, is it better to reinstall or is it "safe" >>>>>> to upgrade from 4.0.1 to 4.1 >>>>>> >>>>>> thanks >>>>>> norbert >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>>> For more info see >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------- >>>>> This message was sent from Downeast.Net. >>>>> http://ellsworthme.com/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>> For more info see >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From linuxsys at davisny.edu Mon Sep 6 13:56:43 2004 From: linuxsys at davisny.edu (Calvin Park) Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 09:56:43 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Interesting KDE issue... Message-ID: <1094479003.17864.8.camel@localhost> Just thought I'd tell a little story about an error I just encountered. One of our students was playing with his desktop settings and clicked the option for KDEWebDesktop under advanced options. When he applied the setting a cookie request popped up. He, thinking the cookie would be a bad thing to accept, rejected it and his screen just kindda flickered and displayed a bunch of odd colors. I just deleted the whole .mozilla directory (it wouldn't let him log back in, every time he tried the same color thing happened). My solution was probably a bit dirty, but it accomplished the task. Just an interesting issue that I thought I'd let everyone know about. -- Calvin Park Assistant for Linux Systems Computer Services Department Davis College: A Practical college of Bible and Ministry web: www.davisny.edu email: linuxsys at davisny.edu phone: 607.729.1581 ext 404 From aaa at pacifier.com Mon Sep 6 14:45:30 2004 From: aaa at pacifier.com (aaa at pacifier.com) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 07:45:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Dansguardian and squid wont play together Message-ID: <32863.65.183.203.134.1094481930.squirrel@webmail.pacifier.com> Still frustrated with DG and squid. Tried the DG list at yahoo, but got no help. Read the install and tried to follow exactly. Transparent proxy setup with squid/DG on firewall box running FC2 and shorewall. Firewall rule takes anything from the inside adressed to port 80 and routes it to port 3128 (squid) Squid is caching. DG is installed. ( I assume there is a rudimentry blacklist with the install. I haven't downloaded any blacklists yet.) watching the DG access.log with tail -f shows no activity. Trying to access sites that should be filtered - they come up! I have included my dansguardian.conf file if anyone is willing to help. Thanks, Duane Wilson -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: dansguardian.conf Type: application/octet-stream Size: 12421 bytes Desc: not available URL: From microman at cmosnetworks.com Mon Sep 6 14:40:51 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 10:40:51 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Interesting KDE issue... In-Reply-To: <1094479003.17864.8.camel@localhost> References: <1094479003.17864.8.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <413C76F3.20702@cmosnetworks.com> Calvin Park wrote: >Just thought I'd tell a little story about an error I just encountered. > >One of our students was playing with his desktop settings and clicked >the option for KDEWebDesktop under advanced options. When he applied the >setting a cookie request popped up. He, thinking the cookie would be a >bad thing to accept, rejected it and his screen just kindda flickered >and displayed a bunch of odd colors. I just deleted the whole .mozilla >directory (it wouldn't let him log back in, every time he tried the same >color thing happened). My solution was probably a bit dirty, but it >accomplished the task. Just an interesting issue that I thought I'd let >everyone know about. > > That is interesting...which version of KDE was this? Also, did you hard-reboot his terminal, by any chance? --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Win freedom from all but 1 of 4000 spams with Mozilla Thunderbird. Download it now. From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Mon Sep 6 15:05:59 2004 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 10:05:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Dansguardian and squid wont play together In-Reply-To: <20040906144551.D708E7440A@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040906144551.D708E7440A@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <413C7CD7.1070909@honeygroveisd.net> > > ubject: > [K12OSN] Dansguardian and squid wont play together > From: > aaa at pacifier.com > Date: > Mon, 6 Sep 2004 07:45:30 -0700 (PDT) > To: > k12 at pacifier.com, k12osn at redhat.com > > To: > k12 at pacifier.com, k12osn at redhat.com > > >Still frustrated with DG and squid. > >Tried the DG list at yahoo, but got no help. >Read the install and tried to follow exactly. > >Transparent proxy setup with squid/DG on firewall box running FC2 and >shorewall. Firewall rule takes anything from the inside adressed to port >80 and routes it to port 3128 (squid) > >Squid is caching. >DG is installed. ( I assume there is a rudimentry blacklist with the >install. I haven't downloaded any blacklists yet.) > >watching the DG access.log with tail -f shows no activity. > >Trying to access sites that should be filtered - they come up! > >I have included my dansguardian.conf file if anyone is willing to help. > >Thanks, >Duane Wilson > > > I'm not entirely certain about this, but I think that DG by default listens on port 8080. If you're rerouting to port 3128, then I think you're skipping DG altogether. Try rerouting from 80 to 8080 and see what happens. -- C-ya, Mark ____ "...The man who knows how will always have a job. The man who also knows why will always be his boss." -- Ralph Waldo Emerson From goblin at scooter.co.nz Mon Sep 6 22:01:27 2004 From: goblin at scooter.co.nz (goblin at scooter.co.nz) Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 10:01:27 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Dansguardian and squid wont play together In-Reply-To: <413C7CD7.1070909@honeygroveisd.net> References: <20040906144551.D708E7440A@hormel.redhat.com> <413C7CD7.1070909@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <413CDE37.4030004@scooter.co.nz> Mark Cockrell wrote: > I'm not entirely certain about this, but I think that DG by default > listens on port 8080. If you're rerouting to port 3128, then I think > you're skipping DG altogether. Try rerouting from 80 to 8080 and see > what happens. > Mark Cockrell wrote: > I'm not entirely certain about this, but I think that DG by default > listens on port 8080. If you're rerouting to port 3128, then I think > you're skipping DG altogether. Try rerouting from 80 to 8080 and see > what happens. > Yeah thats exactly right... You set Squid to listen on (localhost only) port 3128... DG will talk to squid via 3128 but DG itself will listen on 8080. From your conf file ================================================= # the port that DansGuardian listens to. filterport = 8080 # the ip of the proxy (default is the loopback - i.e. this server) proxyip = 127.0.0.1 # the port DansGuardian connects to proxy on proxyport = 3128 ================================================= All requests are then answered by DansGuardian.... DG should be the only thing able to talk to squid or your filtering can be easily bypassed by connecting to squid directly. (Internet)-->{(squid:3128)-->(DansGuardian:8080)}<:80-->(Clients) so yeah redirect to port 8080 and if it's still not working we will need to have a look at your squid.conf file. Regards John From bear2bar at netscape.net Tue Sep 7 01:46:44 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 21:46:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] upgrades Message-ID: <413D1304.8070402@netscape.net> Hi Eric, Can I upgrade from 4.0.1 to 4.1 using apt or yum ? are there any showstoppers to the upgrade and last what's the syntax ? ... apt-get dist upgrade ? or do I need to modify the source list ? thks norbert From nbs at sonic.net Tue Sep 7 04:47:18 2004 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 21:47:18 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Tux Paint Config alpha release Message-ID: <20040907044718.GA3484@sonic.net> Hi all, this is Bill Kendrick, the main developer of "Tux Paint" (which hopefully most you have seen ;^) ) Over the past few months, we've been working on a configuration front-end for Tux Paint, so people don't have to muck around inside a config. file using a text editor. It's written in FLTK, and the current alpha release reads and writes "~/.tuxpaintrc". In the future, it will be built for Windows and Mac OS X (two places where it's most needed), and will probably also be able to load and save Tux Paint configuration files from arbitrary locations. Please check it out and send me (us) your feedback! ftp://ftp.sonic.net/pub/users/nbs/unix/x/tuxpaint/config/ -bill! bill at newbreedsoftware.com Man, some trip this turned out to be. http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/ All we caught is a tire, a boot, New Breed Software a tin can and this book of cliches. From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Sep 7 05:57:23 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 22:57:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP v4.1 In-Reply-To: <342395C01D21@mail.sheltonbusinessmachines.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 4 Jan 2002, Jeremy Lampe wrote: >Is K12LTSP 4.1 based on Fedora Core 2? > >Thanks > >Jeremy Yes. -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Sep 7 06:20:42 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 23:20:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Mondo fails in 4.1....won't go...ideas? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: There is a newer version of mondo available, I'll take a look at that ASAP. In the meantime, the symlink trick others pointed out will probably work for you: ln -s /etc/modprobe.conf /etc/modules.conf -Eric On Fri, 3 Sep 2004, David Trask wrote: >Hi all, > >I'm trying to run Mondo Rescue on my K12LTSP box (4.1) FC2 and I get the >following error. I noticed that /etc/modules.conf does not exist. Any >suggestions? I got mondo via the K12LTSP repository using apt....so I'm >wondering why it won't work. I don't want to get too far into it without >consulting you guys. Happened on 2 systems. See below... >########################################## > >[root at k12ltsp root]# mondoarchive >Initializing... >See /var/log/mondo-archive.log for details of backup run. >root is mounted at /dev/md1 >I believe I am running on a live filesystem. >root is mounted at /dev/md1 >I believe I am running on a live filesystem. >Checking sanity of your Linux distribution >Please find out what happened to /etc/modules.conf >Mindi --makemountlist failed for some reason. Bad fstab file? >Failed. >---FATALERROR--- Failed to pre-param initialize >Please contact the mailing list. See http://www.mondorescue.com >for more information on how to do that. >Enclose your compressed logfile or we CANNOT HELP. >Log file: /var/log/mondo-archive.log >FYI, I have gzipped the log and saved it to /tmp/MA.log.gz >Mondo has aborted. > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Sep 7 06:16:38 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 23:16:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] upgrades In-Reply-To: <413D1304.8070402@netscape.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Sep 2004, norbert wrote: >Can I upgrade from 4.0.1 to 4.1 using apt or yum ? are there any >showstoppers to the upgrade and last what's the syntax ? ... apt-get >dist upgrade ? or do I need to modify the source list ? You can do an upgrade with apt, yum, or up2date. It can be a bit tricky, however. Try it out on a test system before thinking about doing it on a production system. I've had the best luck with yum. Edit /etc/yum.conf and point it to the new repository (i.e. from ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/yum/fedora to ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/yum/fc2) and run "yum upgrade". If the "yum upgrade" works, great. It probably won't, it will bomb out with dependancy errors. That's where it gets tricky. You can try running "yum list updates" and then running "yum update " with some of the packages listed in the "yum list updates". After a while you get a good feel of what needs to be upgraded in what order. I usually do "glibc glibc-common rpm rpm-python popt db4 compat-db" first, then do the command line utilities, libraries, and GUI packages in that order. Once you think you are done, run "yum upgrade" again. As you can tell, it is often much easier to upgrade off the CDs ;-) -Eric From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Tue Sep 7 07:18:20 2004 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 08:18:20 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Interesting KDE issue... In-Reply-To: <1094479003.17864.8.camel@localhost> References: <1094479003.17864.8.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <200409070818.20593.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> On Monday 06 Sep 2004 2:56 pm, Calvin Park wrote: > Just thought I'd tell a little story about an error I just encountered. > > One of our students was playing with his desktop settings and clicked > the option for KDEWebDesktop under advanced options. When he applied the > setting a cookie request popped up. He, thinking the cookie would be a > bad thing to accept, rejected it and his screen just kindda flickered > and displayed a bunch of odd colors. I just deleted the whole .mozilla > directory (it wouldn't let him log back in, every time he tried the same > color thing happened). My solution was probably a bit dirty, but it > accomplished the task. Just an interesting issue that I thought I'd let > everyone know about. If mozilla or firefox goes a bit wonky, generally if you exit the browser and delete the appreg file in the .mozilla or .phoenix directory as appropriate it all magically works again. That way you don't have to set up your proxy settings etc again. -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From bear2bar at netscape.net Tue Sep 7 10:06:31 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 06:06:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] upgrades In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <413D8827.2020109@netscape.net> Hi Eric, Thanks, I think I get the picture .... I'm off to burn new CD of 4.1 ... norbert eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us wrote: >On Mon, 6 Sep 2004, norbert wrote: > > > >>Can I upgrade from 4.0.1 to 4.1 using apt or yum ? are there any >>showstoppers to the upgrade and last what's the syntax ? ... apt-get >>dist upgrade ? or do I need to modify the source list ? >> >> > >You can do an upgrade with apt, yum, or up2date. It can be a bit >tricky, however. Try it out on a test system before thinking about >doing it on a production system. > >I've had the best luck with yum. Edit /etc/yum.conf and point it >to the new repository (i.e. from ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/yum/fedora >to ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/yum/fc2) and run "yum upgrade". >If the "yum upgrade" works, great. It probably won't, it will bomb >out with dependancy errors. That's where it gets tricky. You can try >running "yum list updates" and then running "yum update " >with some of the packages listed in the "yum list updates". After a >while you get a good feel of what needs to be upgraded in what order. >I usually do "glibc glibc-common rpm rpm-python popt db4 compat-db" >first, then do the command line utilities, libraries, and GUI packages >in that order. Once you think you are done, run "yum upgrade" again. > >As you can tell, it is often much easier to upgrade off the CDs ;-) > >-Eric > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Sep 7 06:06:00 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 23:06:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] upgrade 4.0.1 to 4.1 In-Reply-To: <4139E6EA.6060804@netscape.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 4 Sep 2004, norbert wrote: >Hi all, > >Just a quick question, is it better to reinstall or is it "safe" to >upgrade from 4.0.1 to 4.1 All upgrades carry a degree of risk. That is why you should ALWAYS have good, proven backups before making any major software changes. The biggest thing to watch out for between 4.0.x and 4.1.x is that the former uses a 2.4 kernel and the later a 2.6 kernel. There is the possibility that hardware that runs fine on a 2.4 kernel may not work with a 2.6 kernel. I have one system with a funky SCSI RAID card that falls into this category. If you use third-party software, binary-only drivers, etc, etc, you will also need to make sure those will run on FC2. That said, I've done quite a few successful upgrades to 4.1. On one or two systems I've upgraded from 3.1 to 4.1 w/o a major issue. -Eric From aaa at pacifier.com Tue Sep 7 12:56:59 2004 From: aaa at pacifier.com (Duane Wilson) Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 05:56:59 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Dansguardian and squid wont play together In-Reply-To: <413CDE37.4030004@scooter.co.nz> References: <20040906144551.D708E7440A@hormel.redhat.com> <413C7CD7.1070909@honeygroveisd.net> <413CDE37.4030004@scooter.co.nz> Message-ID: <413DB01B.3030407@pacifier.com> goblin at scooter.co.nz wrote: > Mark Cockrell wrote: > >> I'm not entirely certain about this, but I think that DG by default >> listens on port 8080. If you're rerouting to port 3128, then I think >> you're skipping DG altogether. Try rerouting from 80 to 8080 and see >> what happens. >> > Mark Cockrell wrote: > > > I'm not entirely certain about this, but I think that DG by default > > listens on port 8080. If you're rerouting to port 3128, then I think > > you're skipping DG altogether. Try rerouting from 80 to 8080 and see > > what happens. > > > > Yeah thats exactly right... > You set Squid to listen on (localhost only) port 3128... DG will talk > to squid via 3128 but DG itself will listen on 8080. > > From your conf file > ================================================= > # the port that DansGuardian listens to. > filterport = 8080 > > # the ip of the proxy (default is the loopback - i.e. this server) > proxyip = 127.0.0.1 > > # the port DansGuardian connects to proxy on > proxyport = 3128 > ================================================= > > All requests are then answered by DansGuardian.... DG should be the > only thing able to talk to squid or your filtering can be easily > bypassed by connecting to squid directly. > > (Internet)-->{(squid:3128)-->(DansGuardian:8080)}<:80-->(Clients) > > so yeah redirect to port 8080 and if it's still not working we will > need to have a look at your squid.conf file. > > Regards > > John > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > Thanks for explaining that to me. That is very logical, but I didn't understand the flow. I changed my firewall rules to intercept all port 80 trafic from the local network and send it to port 8080 where DansGuardian dutifuly filtered the requests. I suspect some of you in the Portland area may have heard my shout for joy when I saw the "Access Denied" screen. Yes, Linux rocks, but not without people willing to help each other out! Duane From petre at maltzen.net Tue Sep 7 14:11:00 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 09:11:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Tux Paint Config alpha release In-Reply-To: <20040907044718.GA3484@sonic.net> References: <20040907044718.GA3484@sonic.net> Message-ID: <413DC174.90903@maltzen.net> What if one LIKES mucking around in config files? It can be easier to script or remotely manage that way. As long as the GUI is just a front-end for a text config file that can be modified by hand, I'm all for it. ;-) Petre Bill Kendrick wrote: >Hi all, this is Bill Kendrick, the main developer of "Tux Paint" >(which hopefully most you have seen ;^) ) > >Over the past few months, we've been working on a configuration >front-end for Tux Paint, so people don't have to muck around >inside a config. file using a text editor. > >It's written in FLTK, and the current alpha release reads and writes >"~/.tuxpaintrc". In the future, it will be built for Windows and Mac OS X >(two places where it's most needed), and will probably also be able to >load and save Tux Paint configuration files from arbitrary locations. > >Please check it out and send me (us) your feedback! > > ftp://ftp.sonic.net/pub/users/nbs/unix/x/tuxpaint/config/ > > >-bill! >bill at newbreedsoftware.com Man, some trip this turned out to be. >http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/ All we caught is a tire, a boot, >New Breed Software a tin can and this book of cliches. > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From petre at maltzen.net Tue Sep 7 14:16:27 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 09:16:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mondo fails in 4.1....won't go...ideas? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <413DC2BB.3030105@maltzen.net> I only casually follow the kernel dev list; does anyone know why the file name changed from modules.conf to modprobe.conf? Perhaps there are cases where both files need to exist for incompatible purposes? I'd hope it would be something like that, because it drives me crazy when a filename that has been used for years changes; suddenly, years of documentation on the web is worthless. Harumph! Petre Eric Harrison wrote: >There is a newer version of mondo available, I'll take a look at that >ASAP. In the meantime, the symlink trick others pointed out will >probably work for you: > > ln -s /etc/modprobe.conf /etc/modules.conf > >-Eric > >On Fri, 3 Sep 2004, David Trask wrote: > > > >>Hi all, >> >>I'm trying to run Mondo Rescue on my K12LTSP box (4.1) FC2 and I get the >>following error. I noticed that /etc/modules.conf does not exist. Any >>suggestions? I got mondo via the K12LTSP repository using apt....so I'm >>wondering why it won't work. I don't want to get too far into it without >>consulting you guys. Happened on 2 systems. See below... >>########################################## >> >>[root at k12ltsp root]# mondoarchive >>Initializing... >>See /var/log/mondo-archive.log for details of backup run. >>root is mounted at /dev/md1 >>I believe I am running on a live filesystem. >>root is mounted at /dev/md1 >>I believe I am running on a live filesystem. >>Checking sanity of your Linux distribution >>Please find out what happened to /etc/modules.conf >>Mindi --makemountlist failed for some reason. Bad fstab file? >>Failed. >>---FATALERROR--- Failed to pre-param initialize >>Please contact the mailing list. See http://www.mondorescue.com >>for more information on how to do that. >>Enclose your compressed logfile or we CANNOT HELP. >>Log file: /var/log/mondo-archive.log >>FYI, I have gzipped the log and saved it to /tmp/MA.log.gz >>Mondo has aborted. >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From nsantiago at caclv.org Tue Sep 7 14:16:28 2004 From: nsantiago at caclv.org (Santiago, Nicholas) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 10:16:28 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Kinda OT - Imaging Macs Message-ID: Hi all-- This is kinda off topic, but I thought I'd ask anyway. Does anyone know of a successful way to clone Mac OS X boxes? I tried using Carbon Copy Cloner with a Firewire/1394 cable connecting two Macs, and nothing. Does anyone have any ideas or know of links to a good walkthough? -Nick A Mac Techno-Idiot <~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> Nicholas Santiago Technical Assistant Community Action Committee of the Lehigh Valley 610-691-5620 ext. 302 or 1-866-847-4565 ext. 302 nsantiago at caclv.org <~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> _____ Join us for "No Room for Poverty," a national rally in Washington D.C. to call the nation's attention to poverty during this, the 40th anniversary of the War on Poverty, Saturday, September 4. The bus trip, a box lunch, and a t-shirt will cost $5 per person. Sign up now by calling 610-691-5620. Community Action Committee of the Lehigh Valley, Inc. 1337 East Fifth Street Bethlehem, PA 18015 www.caclv.org _____ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Henry Burroughs Technology Director Hilton Head Preparatory School www.hhprep.org hburroughs at hhprep.org From rfreidel at computergeex.com Tue Sep 7 14:31:34 2004 From: rfreidel at computergeex.com (Ron Freidel) Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 14:31:34 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Dansguardian and squid wont play together Message-ID: <20040907.tPs.24965600@192.168.10.16> For Dansguardian/Squid I put it on a firewall box running iptables, this is what I use to transparently route all users through DG/Squid. iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -m tcp -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 8080 iptables -A INPUT -m tcp -p tcp -s ! 127.0.0.1 --dport 3128 -j DROP Most teachers request that their computers be unrestricted so I usually have to control that through dansguardian itself. Duane Wilson (aaa at pacifier.com) wrote: > > goblin at scooter.co.nz wrote: > > > Mark Cockrell wrote: > > > >> I'm not entirely certain about this, but I think that DG by default > >> listens on port 8080. If you're rerouting to port 3128, then I think > >> you're skipping DG altogether. Try rerouting from 80 to 8080 and see > >> what happens. > >> > > Mark Cockrell wrote: > > > > > I'm not entirely certain about this, but I think that DG by default > > > listens on port 8080. If you're rerouting to port 3128, then I think > > > you're skipping DG altogether. Try rerouting from 80 to 8080 and see > > > what happens. > > > > > > > Yeah thats exactly right... > > You set Squid to listen on (localhost only) port 3128... DG will talk > > to squid via 3128 but DG itself will listen on 8080. > > > > From your conf file > > ================================================= > > # the port that DansGuardian listens to. > > filterport = 8080 > > > > # the ip of the proxy (default is the loopback - i.e. this server) > > proxyip = 127.0.0.1 > > > > # the port DansGuardian connects to proxy on > > proxyport = 3128 > > ================================================= > > > > All requests are then answered by DansGuardian.... DG should be the > > only thing able to talk to squid or your filtering can be easily > > bypassed by connecting to squid directly. > > > > (Internet)--><:80-->(Clients) > > > > so yeah redirect to port 8080 and if it's still not working we will > > need to have a look at your squid.conf file. > > > > Regards > > > > John > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > Thanks for explaining that to me. That is very logical, but I didn't > understand the flow. > I changed my firewall rules to intercept all port 80 trafic from the > local network and send it to port 8080 where DansGuardian dutifuly > filtered the requests. > > I suspect some of you in the Portland area may have heard my shout for > joy when I saw the "Access Denied" screen. > > Yes, Linux rocks, but not without people willing to help each other out! > > Duane > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Ron Freidel Some or all of my comments should not be taken seriously. http://leroy.homeunix.org From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Sep 7 14:24:17 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 09:24:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SMP kernel - stable in version 4.1? In-Reply-To: <1094197766.5e1731a593552@www.vfemail.net> Message-ID: <003501c494e6$5bb209c0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > Has anyone used the SMP kernel on 4.1 successfully? Yes and no. I have used it on a Dual PIII 866 that crashed non-stop with the kernel in 4.0.1, and now it is stable. However I cannot get the NIC's to work. But the kernel seems stable. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.744 / Virus Database: 496 - Release Date: 8/24/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Sep 7 14:30:21 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 09:30:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Kinda OT - Imaging Macs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003b01c494e7$34acc2b0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> CCCloner works very well. You have to hold the "T" key down when booting the target machine in order to get it to boot in target disk mode. Then when you boot your source machine and plug in the firewire between the two the target machine will mount on the desktop. Be sure to rename the target drive different then the source just to avoid confusion. Then fire up CCC and clone away. I usually invoke the Disk Utility from within CCC and initialize the disk before cloning, just to be sure it is clean. Should take a half hour to 45 min to clone each machine. Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Santiago, Nicholas Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 9:16 AM To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: [K12OSN] Kinda OT - Imaging Macs Hi all-- This is kinda off topic, but I thought I'd ask anyway. Does anyone know of a successful way to clone Mac OS X boxes? I tried using Carbon Copy Cloner with a Firewire/1394 cable connecting two Macs, and nothing. Does anyone have any ideas or know of links to a good walkthough? -Nick A Mac Techno-Idiot <~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> Nicholas Santiago Technical Assistant Community Action Committee of the Lehigh Valley 610-691-5620 ext. 302 or 1-866-847-4565 ext. 302 HYPERLINK "mailto:nsantiago at caclv.org"nsantiago at caclv.org <~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> _____ Join us for "No Room for Poverty," a national rally in Washington D.C. to call the nation's attention to poverty during this, the 40th anniversary of the War on Poverty, Saturday, September 4. The bus trip, a box lunch, and a t-shirt will cost $5 per person. Sign up now by calling 610-691-5620. 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Thanks, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Sep 7 16:10:55 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 09:10:55 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Dansguardian and squid wont play together In-Reply-To: <20040907.tPs.24965600@192.168.10.16> References: <20040907.tPs.24965600@192.168.10.16> Message-ID: <413DDD8F.1050509@paasda.org> to unfilter it is simple enough to do at their browser as well.. i.e. web proxy settings 192.168.0.254 port 3128 will bybass DG's filtering... assuming your DG box's IP is the same as above. --Huck Ron Freidel wrote: >For Dansguardian/Squid I put it on a firewall box running iptables, >this is what I use to transparently route all users through DG/Squid. > >iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -m tcp -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port >8080 >iptables -A INPUT -m tcp -p tcp -s ! 127.0.0.1 --dport 3128 -j DROP > >Most teachers request that their computers be unrestricted so I usually have >to control that through dansguardian itself. > > > > > > > > >Duane Wilson (aaa at pacifier.com) wrote: > > >>goblin at scooter.co.nz wrote: >> >> >> >>>Mark Cockrell wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>I'm not entirely certain about this, but I think that DG by default >>>>listens on port 8080. If you're rerouting to port 3128, then I think >>>>you're skipping DG altogether. Try rerouting from 80 to 8080 and see >>>>what happens. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Mark Cockrell wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>I'm not entirely certain about this, but I think that DG by default >>>>listens on port 8080. If you're rerouting to port 3128, then I think >>>>you're skipping DG altogether. Try rerouting from 80 to 8080 and see >>>>what happens. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Yeah thats exactly right... >>>You set Squid to listen on (localhost only) port 3128... DG will talk >>>to squid via 3128 but DG itself will listen on 8080. >>> >>>From your conf file >>>================================================= >>># the port that DansGuardian listens to. >>>filterport = 8080 >>> >>># the ip of the proxy (default is the loopback - i.e. this server) >>>proxyip = 127.0.0.1 >>> >>># the port DansGuardian connects to proxy on >>>proxyport = 3128 >>>================================================= >>> >>>All requests are then answered by DansGuardian.... DG should be the >>>only thing able to talk to squid or your filtering can be easily >>>bypassed by connecting to squid directly. >>> >>>(Internet)--><:80-->(Clients) >>> >>>so yeah redirect to port 8080 and if it's still not working we will >>>need to have a look at your squid.conf file. >>> >>>Regards >>> >>>John >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >>> >>> >>Thanks for explaining that to me. That is very logical, but I didn't >>understand the flow. >>I changed my firewall rules to intercept all port 80 trafic from the >>local network and send it to port 8080 where DansGuardian dutifuly >>filtered the requests. >> >>I suspect some of you in the Portland area may have heard my shout for >>joy when I saw the "Access Denied" screen. >> >>Yes, Linux rocks, but not without people willing to help each other out! >> >>Duane >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > >-- >Ron Freidel >Some or all of my comments should not be taken seriously. >http://leroy.homeunix.org > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From jbewick at esd165.org Tue Sep 7 15:47:31 2004 From: jbewick at esd165.org (Jason Bewick) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 08:47:31 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Kinda OT - Imaging Macs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3A732E63-00E5-11D9-9CEF-0030656AF360@esd165.org> We've been using PSU Blast Image. It works very well. Over firewire, a station is cloned in about three and a half minutes. It sets the network, computer name and stuff. I highly recommend it. I support ~400 Macs and this has become one of my favorite mac tools. On Sep 7, 2004, at 7:16 AM, Santiago, Nicholas wrote: > Hi all-- > ? > This is kinda off topic, but I thought I'd ask anyway. > ? > Does anyone know of a successful way to clone Mac OS X boxes? I tried > using Carbon Copy Cloner with a Firewire/1394 cable connecting two > Macs, and nothing. Does anyone have any ideas or know of links to a > good walkthough? > ? > -Nick > ?A Mac Techno-Idiot > ? > <~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> > ?? Nicholas Santiago > ?? Technical Assistant > ?? Community Action Committee of the Lehigh Valley > ?? 610-691-5620 ext. 302 or 1-866-847-4565 ext. 302 > ?? nsantiago at caclv.org > <~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> > > Join us for "No Room for Poverty," a national rally in Washington > D.C. to call > the nation's attention to poverty during this, the 40th anniversary > of the War on Poverty, > Saturday, September 4. The bus trip, a box lunch, and a t-shirt will > cost $5 per person. > Sign up now by calling 610-691-5620. > Community Action Committee of the Lehigh Valley, Inc. > 1337 East Fifth Street > Bethlehem, PA 18015 > www.caclv.org > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 3012 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jritchie at bible.edu Tue Sep 7 16:27:48 2004 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Josiah Ritchie) Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 12:27:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Kinda OT - Imaging Macs In-Reply-To: <3A732E63-00E5-11D9-9CEF-0030656AF360@esd165.org> References: <3A732E63-00E5-11D9-9CEF-0030656AF360@esd165.org> Message-ID: <1094574467.25784.445.camel@penguin> Not as fast, but FOSS... A Gentoo MAC LiveCD with nc on a memory stick and a crossover cable can do the trick. I have the procedure written up on my wiki at http://josiah.ritchietribe.net/pmwiki. You could also do the same this with UDPCast to several computers at the same time. I haven't done this yet, but may in the near future as it would be very useful. JSR/ On Tue, 2004-09-07 at 11:47, Jason Bewick wrote: > We've been using PSU Blast Image. It works very well. Over firewire, a > station is cloned in about three and a half minutes. It sets the > network, computer name and stuff. I highly recommend it. I support > ~400 Macs and this has become one of my favorite mac tools. > > > On Sep 7, 2004, at 7:16 AM, Santiago, Nicholas wrote: > > > > Hi all-- > > > > This is kinda off topic, but I thought I'd ask anyway. > > > > Does anyone know of a successful way to clone Mac OS X boxes? I tried > > using Carbon Copy Cloner with a Firewire/1394 cable connecting two > > Macs, and nothing. Does anyone have any ideas or know of links to a > > good walkthough? > > > > -Nick > > A Mac Techno-Idiot > > > > <~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> > > Nicholas Santiago > > Technical Assistant > > Community Action Committee of the Lehigh Valley > > 610-691-5620 ext. 302 or 1-866-847-4565 ext. 302 > > nsantiago at caclv.org > > <~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> > > > > Join us for "No Room for Poverty," a national rally in Washington > > D.C. to call > > the nation's attention to poverty during this, the 40th anniversary > > of the War on Poverty, > > Saturday, September 4. The bus trip, a box lunch, and a t-shirt will > > cost $5 per person. > > Sign up now by calling 610-691-5620. > > Community Action Committee of the Lehigh Valley, Inc. > > 1337 East Fifth Street > > Bethlehem, PA 18015 > > www.caclv.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > -- Josiah Ritchie Network Administrator Washington Bible College Capital Bible Seminary From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Sep 7 17:37:27 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 10:37:27 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] samba with macs In-Reply-To: <1094253576.4138fc086811a@sages.us> References: <4138E572.1080900@paasda.org> <1094253576.4138fc086811a@sages.us> Message-ID: <413DF1D7.9010809@paasda.org> atalkd.conf is where the trouble is... it defaults to eth0...which is the internal network on my LTSP server... I need the macs to be visible to the outside network on eth1... when I put in eth1 in the atalkd.conf file I get some error about requested address could not be assigned. and I don't understand -addr 66.6 -net 66-67 args in the example in the conf file... --Huck Jim Hays wrote: >You might find what you need here > >http://netatalk.sourceforge.net/2.0/htmldocs/AppleVolumes.default.5.html > >http://k12linux.org/netadmin/netatalk.html > >http://www-uxsup.csx.cam.ac.uk/suse/adminguide/ch17s02.html > > > > >Quoting Huck : > > > >>running samba...on 4.1.0... >>mac OSX clients could see shares >>mac 9.something clients could see/make/access(however that chooser thing >>works) shares >> >>but.. 9.something clients don't see printers... >>they require the servername/ipaddress and a QUE... >> >>when I attach a printer to a thin client and it is shared with Samba is >>a QUE created? >>If so where could I find the name of it? >> >>I created the printer using the CUPS web utility http://localhost:631 >> >>named the printer >> >> careercenter >> >>and socket://ws170:9100 >> >>and it was attached to ws170.... >>so I made the MAC address entry in the lts.conf file for this >>workstation to allow access to it's printer... >> >> >> >>These work fine and dandy on Windows XP machines... >>but the macs deal with printers in a more 'funkified' manner... >> >>Hoping one of you Mac guru's out there might lend some insight? >> >>--Huck >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > > >----------------------------------------- >Jim Hays >Technology Director >Monticello CUSD#25 >Monticello, IL 61856 >----------------------------------------- > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From gary.frederick at jsoft.com Tue Sep 7 17:34:16 2004 From: gary.frederick at jsoft.com (Gary Frederick) Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 12:34:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Anyonewith k12ltsp on older Compaq ProLiant servers? Message-ID: <413DF118.70100@jsoft.com> I got two Compaq ProLiant servers and would like to hear from anyone that has got them working with k12ltsp They are 5000 - 4 Pentium 200 boards, 384 Mb memory, 8Gb level 5 raid? 2500 - 2 Pentium 200 boards, 256 Mb memory, 8Gb level 1+0 raid? I installed k12ltsp - 4.1 on the 5000 and it is complaining that the monitor is out of range. I failed to get anything to run on the 2500. I am still working with them, but it dropped to the bottom of my list when they did not come up smooth. Gary From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Sep 7 19:08:55 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 15:08:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Kinda OT - Imaging Macs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >Hi all-- > >This is kinda off topic, but I thought I'd ask anyway. > >Does anyone know of a successful way to clone Mac OS X boxes? I tried >using Carbon Copy Cloner with a Firewire/1394 cable connecting two Macs, >and nothing. Does anyone have any ideas or know of links to a good >walkthough? > >-Nick > A Mac Techno-Idiot Nick....here in Maine we know a LOT about imaging Mac OS X as every single 7th and 8th grader in the entire state has an iBook. I developed a method called Rapid Image Deployment (RID) that will deploy and image in mass using OS X server and netboot. Works fantastic. I use it to do hundreds of iBooks several times per year...and many folks use it to deploy images to iMacs...eMacs....and the like. If you are using a Panther (10.3) server use this how-to http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/RID/Rapid-Image-Deployment-version 2.0a.pdf If using Jaguar server visit this page for the how-to http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/RID/ Let me know how you make out :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Tue Sep 7 21:09:49 2004 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 14:09:49 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Pointing device not detected Message-ID: <413E239D.3040805@elp.rr.com> I use a serial port track ball as my pointing device on a stand alone machine. Back when I installed 4.0.1 the installation process asked me to identify my mouse and then asked me which port it was on. It worked as a Microsoft compatible mouse. Today when I did a clean install of 4.1 It asked me which mouse I have but did not allow me to identify the port. The mouse selected doesn't work and I tried every serial port mouse in the install set. What file do I need to change? Where do I find the file? How do I change the file? I have a motion disabled student who can't use a standard mouse so I need to get my track ball back in operation. Thanks Pat From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Sep 7 19:08:55 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 15:08:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Kinda OT - Imaging Macs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >Hi all-- > >This is kinda off topic, but I thought I'd ask anyway. > >Does anyone know of a successful way to clone Mac OS X boxes? I tried >using Carbon Copy Cloner with a Firewire/1394 cable connecting two Macs, >and nothing. Does anyone have any ideas or know of links to a good >walkthough? > >-Nick > A Mac Techno-Idiot Nick....here in Maine we know a LOT about imaging Mac OS X as every single 7th and 8th grader in the entire state has an iBook. I developed a method called Rapid Image Deployment (RID) that will deploy and image in mass using OS X server and netboot. Works fantastic. I use it to do hundreds of iBooks several times per year...and many folks use it to deploy images to iMacs...eMacs....and the like. If you are using a Panther (10.3) server use this how-to http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/RID/Rapid-Image-Deployment-version 2.0a.pdf If using Jaguar server visit this page for the how-to http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/RID/ Let me know how you make out :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From nbs at sonic.net Tue Sep 7 20:16:09 2004 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 13:16:09 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: [debian-jr] Re: Tux Paint Config alpha release In-Reply-To: <200409070900.34269.cobaco@skolelinux.no> References: <20040907044718.GA3484@sonic.net> <200409070900.34269.cobaco@skolelinux.no> Message-ID: <20040907201609.GD6592@sonic.net> On Tue, Sep 07, 2004 at 09:00:32AM +0200, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) wrote: > > will tuxpaint suport the freedesktop basedir spec [1] which specifies where > to look for configuration files? I'll take a look tonight, and we'll probably work on it for the upcoming 0.9.14 release. (If not, then it'll be in the queue for 0.9.15 :) ) Thx! -bill! bill at newbreedsoftware.com Man, some trip this turned out to be. http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/ All we caught is a tire, a boot, New Breed Software a tin can and this book of cliches. From aaa at pacifier.com Tue Sep 7 19:48:08 2004 From: aaa at pacifier.com (Duane Wilson) Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 12:48:08 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Outside access to K12ltsp intermittently cut off Message-ID: <413E1078.2060202@pacifier.com> This may not be the right forum for this question. If anyone can think of a better place to ask this question feel free to advise. I use ssh remotely to administer a K12ltsp system Sometimes I can ssh in, sometimes I get no response with ssh or ping to that address. An hour or two later it works without any intervention. My firewall/router/squid/dansguardian box is an older Compac proliant G2 server with 2 nics. One nic faces my ISP with a static IP address. The other nic faces my K12ltsp server. The firewall box is running shorewall for my iptables rules generator. Wierd thing is that even when it won't respond to anything from outside it still works fine for internet access from inside! I have been fighting this problem for a year. It happened with K12ltsp 4.0 and continues with a fresh install of 4.1 I have asked local linux gurus and gotten nothing more than scratching heads and blank looks. Anyone have any idea what I might try to diagnose this? Thanks, Duane Wilson From nbs at sonic.net Tue Sep 7 20:26:50 2004 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 13:26:50 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Tux Paint Config alpha release In-Reply-To: <413DC174.90903@maltzen.net> References: <20040907044718.GA3484@sonic.net> <413DC174.90903@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <20040907202650.GF6592@sonic.net> On Tue, Sep 07, 2004 at 09:11:00AM -0500, Petre Scheie wrote: > What if one LIKES mucking around in config files? It can be easier to > script or remotely manage that way. As long as the GUI is just a > front-end for a text config file that can be modified by hand, I'm all > for it. ;-) That's precisely what it is. You check "Fullscreen" in the GUI, and it writes "fullscreen=yes" out to the ".tuxpaintrc" file. ;^) -bill! bill at newbreedsoftware.com Man, some trip this turned out to be. http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/ All we caught is a tire, a boot, New Breed Software a tin can and this book of cliches. From petre at maltzen.net Tue Sep 7 20:40:16 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 15:40:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Outside access to K12ltsp intermittently cut off In-Reply-To: <413E1078.2060202@pacifier.com> References: <413E1078.2060202@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <413E1CB0.1000805@maltzen.net> If you monitor the logs and/or run netstat on the server a moment after you try to connect from the outside, do you see an attempted connection? Duane Wilson wrote: > This may not be the right forum for this question. If anyone can > think of a better place to ask this question feel free to advise. > > I use ssh remotely to administer a K12ltsp system > > Sometimes I can ssh in, sometimes I get no response with ssh or ping > to that address. An hour or two later it works without any intervention. > > My firewall/router/squid/dansguardian box is an older Compac proliant > G2 server with 2 nics. One nic faces my ISP with a static IP address. > The other nic faces my K12ltsp server. > The firewall box is running shorewall for my iptables rules generator. > > Wierd thing is that even when it won't respond to anything from > outside it still works fine for internet access from inside! > > I have been fighting this problem for a year. It happened with > K12ltsp 4.0 and continues with a fresh install of 4.1 > > I have asked local linux gurus and gotten nothing more than scratching > heads and blank looks. > > Anyone have any idea what I might try to diagnose this? > > > Thanks, > > > Duane Wilson > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From aaa at pacifier.com Tue Sep 7 20:49:04 2004 From: aaa at pacifier.com (Duane Wilson) Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 13:49:04 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Outside access to K12ltsp intermittently cut off In-Reply-To: <413E1CB0.1000805@maltzen.net> References: <413E1078.2060202@pacifier.com> <413E1CB0.1000805@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <413E1EC0.3010304@pacifier.com> I don't know which logs to monitor. Run netstat on the firewall computer of on the computer trying to log in from outside? I will try it tonight Duane Petre Scheie wrote: > If you monitor the logs and/or run netstat on the server a moment > after you try to connect from the outside, do you see an attempted > connection? > > Duane Wilson wrote: > >> This may not be the right forum for this question. If anyone can >> think of a better place to ask this question feel free to advise. >> >> I use ssh remotely to administer a K12ltsp system >> >> Sometimes I can ssh in, sometimes I get no response with ssh or ping >> to that address. An hour or two later it works without any >> intervention. >> >> My firewall/router/squid/dansguardian box is an older Compac proliant >> G2 server with 2 nics. One nic faces my ISP with a static IP >> address. The other nic faces my K12ltsp server. >> The firewall box is running shorewall for my iptables rules generator. >> >> Wierd thing is that even when it won't respond to anything from >> outside it still works fine for internet access from inside! >> >> I have been fighting this problem for a year. It happened with >> K12ltsp 4.0 and continues with a fresh install of 4.1 >> >> I have asked local linux gurus and gotten nothing more than >> scratching heads and blank looks. >> >> Anyone have any idea what I might try to diagnose this? >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> Duane Wilson >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From brockn at gmail.com Tue Sep 7 16:27:02 2004 From: brockn at gmail.com (Brock Noland) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 11:27:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Kinda OT - Imaging Macs In-Reply-To: <3A732E63-00E5-11D9-9CEF-0030656AF360@esd165.org> References: <3A732E63-00E5-11D9-9CEF-0030656AF360@esd165.org> Message-ID: <741dcbb8040907092756664649@mail.gmail.com> I am surprised that there is not a tool like Altiris for macs. It takes no human intervention to image machines. I have heard of someone doing a no human intervention imaging system with Radmind. Brock On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 08:47:31 -0700, Jason Bewick wrote: > We've been using PSU Blast Image. It works very well. Over firewire, > a station is cloned in about three and a half minutes. It sets the > network, computer name and stuff. I highly recommend it. I support > ~400 Macs and this has become one of my favorite mac tools. > > > > > On Sep 7, 2004, at 7:16 AM, Santiago, Nicholas wrote: > > > Hi all-- > > > > This is kinda off topic, but I thought I'd ask anyway. > > > > Does anyone know of a successful way to clone Mac OS X boxes? I tried > > using Carbon Copy Cloner with a Firewire/1394 cable connecting two > > Macs, and nothing. 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Please critique me by direct contact or make general comments by using my anonymous comment form http://www.tc.umn.edu/~nola0066/comments.php [End Signature] From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Sep 8 00:40:29 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 20:40:29 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Kinda OT - Imaging Macs In-Reply-To: <741dcbb8040907092756664649@mail.gmail.com> References: < > <3A732E63-00E5-11D9-9CEF-0030656AF360@esd165.org> <741dcbb8040907092756664649@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Brock Noland writes: >I am surprised that there is not a tool like Altiris for macs. It >takes no human intervention to image machines. I have heard of someone >doing a no human intervention imaging system with Radmind. I use Altiris for my Windoze machines....I also use RID (see my earlier post) for my Macs....once it's set up....you make an image and if you are using ARD (Apple Remote Desktop)....you simply select the machines to deploy and image to and voila! Off they go! Using another Open Source program called ARDCompanion....the machines will automatically name themselves and so forth. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From microman at cmosnetworks.com Wed Sep 8 00:37:07 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 20:37:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Anyonewith k12ltsp on older Compaq ProLiant servers? In-Reply-To: <413DF118.70100@jsoft.com> References: <413DF118.70100@jsoft.com> Message-ID: <413E5433.9010001@cmosnetworks.com> I've got a Compaq 3000 quad Pentium III/500 w/ 2.5GB DRAM, and K12LTSP 3.1.2 works nicely for me--video, Gig NIC, and all. For the video issues, I see that with LCDs more often than anything else. You might want to go to a command prompt (hit Ctrl-Alt-F1), log in/become root, run xf86config (might also be called xorgconfig, since some distros now use X.org vs. XFree86), and set your max vertical resolution to 60Hz. I don't know of a monitor made since 1992 that can't do 60Hz. You might also consider running your server in 800x600x16bit, or even 800x600x8bit if necessary. Note that you will need to know your video chipset to do this and how much video RAM you have (I'm guessing 512kB or 1MB). The clients, remember, do *not* use the server's own video display settings for themselves. For example, my clients all run at 1024x768x24bit, but my server runs at 800x600x16bit. --TP Gary Frederick wrote: > I got two Compaq ProLiant servers and would like to hear from anyone > that has got them working with k12ltsp > > They are > > 5000 - 4 Pentium 200 boards, 384 Mb memory, 8Gb level 5 raid? > 2500 - 2 Pentium 200 boards, 256 Mb memory, 8Gb level 1+0 raid? > > I installed k12ltsp - 4.1 on the 5000 and it is complaining that the > monitor is out of range. > > I failed to get anything to run on the 2500. > > I am still working with them, but it dropped to the bottom of my list > when they did not come up smooth. > > Gary > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- _____________________ Do you GNU!? Win freedom from all but 1 of 4000 spams with Mozilla Thunderbird. Download it now. From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Sep 8 00:46:39 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 20:46:39 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS /home options In-Reply-To: <58086.12.32.72.67.1094570997.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> References: <58086.12.32.72.67.1094570997.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: I'm no expert...I'm simply passing along what I do and what someone recommended to me (possibly Eric?) 10.0.0.234:/home /home nfs defaults,rsize=8192,wsize=8192 0 0 Works for me....I export /home from my Samba/LDAP server. "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >As I'm using NFS extensively this year, I'm curious if anyone has advice >on what I should put at the end of my /etc/fstab lines... By that I mean, >here's my existing entry for mounting /home: > >192.168.33.1:/home /home nfs defaults 0 >0 > >I'm sure "0 0" is not what I should be using, but what on earth are >advantages/disadvantages to setting that different? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From haysja at sages.us Wed Sep 8 00:53:54 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 19:53:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS /home options In-Reply-To: References: <58086.12.32.72.67.1094570997.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <1094604834.413e5822ae0ff@sages.us> Here is an explanation of the last two fields that I found: ------------------------ The fifth field (0) is used by dump (a backup utility) to decide if a filesystem should be backed up. If zero then dump will ignore that filesystem. The sixth field (0) is used by fsck (the filesystem check utility) to determine the order in which filesystems should be checked. If zero then fsck won't check the filesystem. (as the example line above is a cdrom there is very little point in doing a fsck on it, so the value is zero). -------------------------- Quoting David Trask : > I'm no expert...I'm simply passing along what I do and what someone > recommended to me (possibly Eric?) > > 10.0.0.234:/home /home nfs > defaults,rsize=8192,wsize=8192 0 0 > > Works for me....I export /home from my Samba/LDAP server. > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." > writes: > >As I'm using NFS extensively this year, I'm curious if anyone has advice > >on what I should put at the end of my /etc/fstab lines... By that I mean, > >here's my existing entry for mounting /home: > > > >192.168.33.1:/home /home nfs defaults 0 > >0 > > > >I'm sure "0 0" is not what I should be using, but what on earth are > >advantages/disadvantages to setting that different? > > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ----------------------------------------- Jim Hays Technology Director Monticello CUSD#25 Monticello, IL 61856 ----------------------------------------- From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Sep 8 00:46:39 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 20:46:39 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS /home options In-Reply-To: <58086.12.32.72.67.1094570997.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> References: <58086.12.32.72.67.1094570997.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: I'm no expert...I'm simply passing along what I do and what someone recommended to me (possibly Eric?) 10.0.0.234:/home /home nfs defaults,rsize=8192,wsize=8192 0 0 Works for me....I export /home from my Samba/LDAP server. "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >As I'm using NFS extensively this year, I'm curious if anyone has advice >on what I should put at the end of my /etc/fstab lines... By that I mean, >here's my existing entry for mounting /home: > >192.168.33.1:/home /home nfs defaults 0 >0 > >I'm sure "0 0" is not what I should be using, but what on earth are >advantages/disadvantages to setting that different? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From microman at cmosnetworks.com Wed Sep 8 00:42:57 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 20:42:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Outside access to K12ltsp intermittently cut off In-Reply-To: <413E1EC0.3010304@pacifier.com> References: <413E1078.2060202@pacifier.com> <413E1CB0.1000805@maltzen.net> <413E1EC0.3010304@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <413E5591.3040505@cmosnetworks.com> I would look at /var/log/messages on the firewall computer and look for any iptables messages. I don't know if ShoreWall does packet filter logging, but if it does, you'd want to further grep for the IP address of the outside box from which you're trying to connect. Also, what do your firewall rules actually say? --TP Duane Wilson wrote: > I don't know which logs to monitor. Run netstat on the firewall > computer of on the computer trying to log in from outside? > > I will try it tonight > Duane > > > Petre Scheie wrote: > >> If you monitor the logs and/or run netstat on the server a moment >> after you try to connect from the outside, do you see an attempted >> connection? >> >> Duane Wilson wrote: >> >>> This may not be the right forum for this question. If anyone can >>> think of a better place to ask this question feel free to advise. >>> >>> I use ssh remotely to administer a K12ltsp system >>> >>> Sometimes I can ssh in, sometimes I get no response with ssh or >>> ping to that address. An hour or two later it works without any >>> intervention. >>> >>> My firewall/router/squid/dansguardian box is an older Compac >>> proliant G2 server with 2 nics. One nic faces my ISP with a static >>> IP address. The other nic faces my K12ltsp server. >>> The firewall box is running shorewall for my iptables rules generator. >>> >>> Wierd thing is that even when it won't respond to anything from >>> outside it still works fine for internet access from inside! >>> >>> I have been fighting this problem for a year. It happened with >>> K12ltsp 4.0 and continues with a fresh install of 4.1 >>> >>> I have asked local linux gurus and gotten nothing more than >>> scratching heads and blank looks. >>> >>> Anyone have any idea what I might try to diagnose this? >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> >>> Duane Wilson >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- _____________________ Do you GNU!? Win freedom from all but 1 of 4000 spams with Mozilla Thunderbird. Download it now. From robark at telus.net Wed Sep 8 00:41:26 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 17:41:26 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Sleep Problem In-Reply-To: <341D3A1042CB@mail.sheltonbusinessmachines.com> References: <341D3A1042CB@mail.sheltonbusinessmachines.com> Message-ID: <413E5536.90808@telus.net> Jeremy Lampe wrote: > I am having a problem with my clients starting to boot and then going > to a sleep error. It is not on every client and it is not constantly > happening. About once a day I will get a message from a teacher saying > her machines are sleeping. At first I thought she was talking about > Screensaver/PowerSaver stuff. I went over and she told me that it was > happening as it booted and showed me where it was happening (wasn?t > doing it while I was there). So, does anyone have any tips or ideas on > why I am having this unconsistent intermittent sleep problem? I > haven?t personally seen it happen so I don?t know if it is happening > looking for the DHCP server or loading the kernel. I do know that she > has 2 clients and it only happens on one at a time. > > Thanks, > > Jeremy > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > I had a similar problem at one point. It was caused by the schools dhcp server giving an ip to the client before my k12ltsp server could give it an ip. Basically, you should make sure you don't have 2 dhcp servers on the same network. If you can't avoid that then do a search of March or April of this year to find a solution how to have them co-exist. Search for "2 dhcp servers" in the archives. Robert A From gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk Wed Sep 8 08:27:54 2004 From: gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk (Gavin Spurgeon) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 09:27:54 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: NDS Authentication of LTSP (multiple contexts) References: <200409072151.i87Lp7P30792@postman.landmarkschool.org> Message-ID: <001701c4957d$bcf15640$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Hi List & Jonathan... > Thanks for posting the simplified NDS authentication how to. In my NDS > tree students are in several contexts. (aaaa.bbbb.students, > cccc.dddd.students, and so on). Should I make multiple copies > of the line to be inserted above line #6 or should I list multiple > contexts in the same line? If the latter, can you reply with a > recommended syntax? Yer this is possible by adding multiple contexts in the same line.... with the syntax as follows... (note this is the end part of the line... you still need add the start of the line...) ndsserver=XXXXXX:ou=aaaa.ou=bbbb.o=YYYY,ou=cccc.ou=dddd.o=YYYY -d -L -u2000, 4000,pn,gcds -g2000,4000,pn -A So as you can see, all that is needed is a comma (,) then add the next context.... as far as I know you can has as many context here as you see fit... Best Regards Gavin Spurgeon Assistant Systems Administrator gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tel: 01322 620400 DDI: 01322 620501 IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 ############################################# Unofficial K12LTSP HOWTOz & Extraz Site (http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net) ############################################# From rgibson57 at earthlink.net Wed Sep 8 12:43:09 2004 From: rgibson57 at earthlink.net (Rita Gibson) Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 06:43:09 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] File Associations for All Users In-Reply-To: <412A3626.30803@honeygroveisd.net> References: <412A3626.30803@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <413EFE5D.5050805@earthlink.net> Mark Cockrell wrote: > Can someone tell me how to set Konqueror's file associations (i.e. MS > Word documents opened with StarOffice, etc.) for all users in one shot? > Mark: Did you ever get the answer to this? Yesterday I had a high school student trying to print a flyer that was a pdf -- GVC or some Gnome program opened the pdf and didn't allow us to request multiple copies, or change whether or not it printed in color or black and white. I wanted to try acroread, but ran into problems trying to save the web-based pdf and open it again. It was very frustrating for the student and me. By the end, all he wanted was a windows machine. :^( I looked at the file /etc/mime-types, but that didn't seem to be what I thought. I didn't see that you received a response to this..... I'd like to set acroread as the default application for all pdf's, local or web-based. Everyone it seems is using pdf's for text documents now on the web. Rita Gibson RMSEL From fhkms at adelphia.net Wed Sep 8 13:08:13 2004 From: fhkms at adelphia.net (Will Hatch) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 9:08:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] twm desktop Message-ID: <20040908130813.CGDZ9204.mta10.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Hi All, Since I did the massive pile of updates that somehow caused a minor crash of my Gnome desktop (the applets for clock, weather ect are corrupt), I have been experimenting with KDE and TWM. I changed a user profile that I use to TWM and now I don't know how to switch it back to KDE. Can someone help the rookie? Also, If I upgrade my k12 setup from 4.0.1 to the new/available version, could it fix this problem I am having with my Gnome desktop? Does upgrading mean I have to do significant reconfiguration? Everything is working well and I would hate to have to reassign user names ect. Thanks! From k12ltsp at ramsele.dyndns.org Wed Sep 8 15:30:38 2004 From: k12ltsp at ramsele.dyndns.org (Henning Bertelsen) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 17:30:38 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Outside access to K12ltsp intermittently cut off References: <413E1078.2060202@pacifier.com> Message-ID: <00c101c495b8$cb2817e0$6401a8c0@WSRAMHB> Hi I use shorewall too, and I had the same problem when connecting through a dial upp ISP. Shorewall is blocking some IP adresses in the /etc/shorewall/rfc1918 file. I commented out IP adresses beginning with 82, 84, 88, and 96, then did a "shorewall restart". Check your /var/log/messages file to see if you find something like shorewall:rfc1918:DROP at the time you try to log in. What Ip adress do you have when it does not work? Anyway a better forum would probably be the shorewall mailing list, You can find it at http://www.shorewall.net. //Henning ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duane Wilson" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 9:48 PM Subject: [K12OSN] Outside access to K12ltsp intermittently cut off > This may not be the right forum for this question. If anyone can think > of a better place to ask this question feel free to advise. > > I use ssh remotely to administer a K12ltsp system > > Sometimes I can ssh in, sometimes I get no response with ssh or ping to > that address. An hour or two later it works without any intervention. > > My firewall/router/squid/dansguardian box is an older Compac proliant G2 > server with 2 nics. One nic faces my ISP with a static IP address. > The other nic faces my K12ltsp server. > The firewall box is running shorewall for my iptables rules generator. > > Wierd thing is that even when it won't respond to anything from outside > it still works fine for internet access from inside! > > I have been fighting this problem for a year. It happened with K12ltsp > 4.0 and continues with a fresh install of 4.1 > > I have asked local linux gurus and gotten nothing more than scratching > heads and blank looks. > > Anyone have any idea what I might try to diagnose this? > > > Thanks, > > > Duane Wilson > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Wed Sep 8 16:12:26 2004 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 11:12:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] File Associations for All Users In-Reply-To: <20040908160101.0B79D75764@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040908160101.0B79D75764@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <413F2F6A.1060808@honeygroveisd.net> > > Mark Cockrell wrote: > >> Can someone tell me how to set Konqueror's file associations (i.e. MS >> Word documents opened with StarOffice, etc.) for all users in one shot? >> > Mark: > > Did you ever get the answer to this? Yesterday I had a high school > student trying to print a flyer that was a pdf -- GVC or some Gnome > program opened the pdf and didn't allow us to request multiple copies, > or change whether or not it printed in color or black and white. I > wanted to try acroread, but ran into problems trying to save the > web-based pdf and open it again. It was very frustrating for the > student and me. By the end, all he wanted was a windows machine. :^( > I looked at the file /etc/mime-types, but that didn't seem to be what > I thought. I didn't see that you received a response to this..... I'd > like to set acroread as the default application for all pdf's, local > or web-based. Everyone it seems is using pdf's for text documents now > on the web. > > Rita Gibson > RMSEL No, I didn't receive an answer on this list, nor have I been able to find an answer anywhere else. I know how to do it for each user individually, but not for all of them at once. -- C-ya, Mark ____ Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere may be happy. From jkinz at kinz.org Wed Sep 8 16:17:44 2004 From: jkinz at kinz.org (Jeff Kinz) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 12:17:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] File Associations for All Users In-Reply-To: <413F2F6A.1060808@honeygroveisd.net>; from cockrell@honeygroveisd.net on Wed, Sep 08, 2004 at 11:12:26AM -0500 References: <20040908160101.0B79D75764@hormel.redhat.com> <413F2F6A.1060808@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <20040908121744.A21292@redline.comcast.net> On Wed, Sep 08, 2004 at 11:12:26AM -0500, Mark Cockrell wrote: > >> Can someone tell me how to set Konqueror's file associations (i.e. MS > >> Word documents opened with StarOffice, etc.) for all users in one shot? > >> > > Mark: > > > > Did you ever get the answer to this? Yesterday I had a high school > > student trying to print a flyer that was a pdf -- GVC or some Gnome > > program opened the pdf and didn't allow us to request multiple copies, > > or change whether or not it printed in color or black and white. I > > wanted to try acroread, but ran into problems trying to save the > > web-based pdf and open it again. It was very frustrating for the > > student and me. By the end, all he wanted was a windows machine. :^( > > I looked at the file /etc/mime-types, but that didn't seem to be what > > I thought. I didn't see that you received a response to this..... I'd > > like to set acroread as the default application for all pdf's, local > > or web-based. Everyone it seems is using pdf's for text documents now > > on the web. > > > > Rita Gibson > > RMSEL > > No, I didn't receive an answer on this list, nor have I been able to > find an answer anywhere else. I know how to do it for each user > individually, but not for all of them at once. > -- I believe this setting is konq specific. Mark - do you know what file gets modified for an individual user ? If so, the "locate" command can tell you where files with similar names exist on the system. One of them may hold the "global default" settings. -- Linux/Open Source. Now all your base belongs to you, for free. ============================================================ Idealism: "Realism applied over a longer time period" Jeff Kinz, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. From jkinz at kinz.org Wed Sep 8 17:36:10 2004 From: jkinz at kinz.org (Jeff Kinz) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 13:36:10 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] File Associations for All Users In-Reply-To: <20040908121744.A21292@redline.comcast.net>; from jkinz@kinz.org on Wed, Sep 08, 2004 at 12:17:44PM -0400 References: <20040908160101.0B79D75764@hormel.redhat.com> <413F2F6A.1060808@honeygroveisd.net> <20040908121744.A21292@redline.comcast.net> Message-ID: <20040908133610.B21292@redline.comcast.net> On Wed, Sep 08, 2004 at 12:17:44PM -0400, Jeff Kinz wrote: > On Wed, Sep 08, 2004 at 11:12:26AM -0500, Mark Cockrell wrote: > > >> Can someone tell me how to set Konqueror's file associations (i.e. MS > > >> Word documents opened with StarOffice, etc.) for all users in one shot? > > >> > > > Mark: > > > > > > Did you ever get the answer to this? Yesterday I had a high school > > > student trying to print a flyer that was a pdf -- GVC or some Gnome > > > program opened the pdf and didn't allow us to request multiple copies, > > > or change whether or not it printed in color or black and white. I > > > wanted to try acroread, but ran into problems trying to save the > > > web-based pdf and open it again. It was very frustrating for the > > > student and me. By the end, all he wanted was a windows machine. :^( > > > I looked at the file /etc/mime-types, but that didn't seem to be what > > > I thought. I didn't see that you received a response to this..... I'd > > > like to set acroread as the default application for all pdf's, local > > > or web-based. Everyone it seems is using pdf's for text documents now > > > on the web. > > > > > > Rita Gibson > > > RMSEL > > > > No, I didn't receive an answer on this list, nor have I been able to > > find an answer anywhere else. I know how to do it for each user > > individually, but not for all of them at once. > > -- > > I believe this setting is konq specific. > > Mark - do you know what file gets modified for an individual user ? > > If so, the "locate" command can tell you where files with similar names > exist on the system. One of them may hold the "global default" > settings. The more I thought about the above response, the less I liked it, so.... I did a little research. And hated what I found out even more. http://www.kde.org/areas/sysadmin/config_file.php http://www.kde.org/areas/sysadmin/config_file.php#cascading http://www.kde.org/areas/sysadmin/fsh.php#dir_location KDE config is a collection of files in multiple tree hierarchies and each user has their own tree in addition to the system trees. The contents of these hundreds of files are merged when KDE starts up. It seems that each application/mime-type gets its own file or files. There is a system wide lock down mechanism http://www.kde.org/areas/sysadmin/config_file.php#lock_down > > -- > Linux/Open Source. Now all your base belongs to you, for free. > ============================================================ > Idealism: "Realism applied over a longer time period" > > Jeff Kinz, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Linux/Open Source. Now all your base belongs to you, for free. ============================================================ Idealism: "Realism applied over a longer time period" Jeff Kinz, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Wed Sep 8 17:58:25 2004 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (jconlon1) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:58:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Changing to a different mouse Message-ID: <14488537.1094666305812.JavaMail.Administrator@ATP2> I have a serial port track ball that I need to have work for one of my students. I have just installed K12ltsp 4.1 without the ltsp component. I tried every serial mouse choice provided in the installation. None worked. I currently have a PS-2 generic mouse installed. How do I change mice to make the track ball work. In 4.0.1 it installed as a microsoft intelligent mouse on com 1. Is this a matter of editing a file? If this is the case where is the file and what changes do I need to make to it? Thanks Pat From rgibson57 at earthlink.net Wed Sep 8 18:41:55 2004 From: rgibson57 at earthlink.net (Rita Gibson) Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 12:41:55 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] File Associations for All Users In-Reply-To: <20040908121744.A21292@redline.comcast.net> References: <20040908160101.0B79D75764@hormel.redhat.com> <413F2F6A.1060808@honeygroveisd.net> <20040908121744.A21292@redline.comcast.net> Message-ID: <413F5273.6070904@earthlink.net> Jeff Kinz wrote: >On Wed, Sep 08, 2004 at 11:12:26AM -0500, Mark Cockrell wrote: > > >>>>Can someone tell me how to set Konqueror's file associations (i.e. MS >>>>Word documents opened with StarOffice, etc.) for all users in one shot? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Mark: >>> >>>Did you ever get the answer to this? Yesterday I had a high school >>>student trying to print a flyer that was a pdf -- GVC or some Gnome >>>program opened the pdf and didn't allow us to request multiple copies, >>>or change whether or not it printed in color or black and white. I >>>wanted to try acroread, but ran into problems trying to save the >>>web-based pdf and open it again. It was very frustrating for the >>>student and me. By the end, all he wanted was a windows machine. :^( >>>I looked at the file /etc/mime-types, but that didn't seem to be what >>>I thought. I didn't see that you received a response to this..... I'd >>>like to set acroread as the default application for all pdf's, local >>>or web-based. Everyone it seems is using pdf's for text documents now >>>on the web. >>> >>>Rita Gibson >>>RMSEL >>> >>> >>No, I didn't receive an answer on this list, nor have I been able to >>find an answer anywhere else. I know how to do it for each user >>individually, but not for all of them at once. >>-- >> >> > >I believe this setting is konq specific. > >Mark - do you know what file gets modified for an individual user ? > >If so, the "locate" command can tell you where files with similar names >exist on the system. One of them may hold the "global default" >settings. > > > Calvin Dodge emailed me and said to take a look at /etc/mailcap and there is a reference. I will try to change that file and see what happens when I am next at the school. Rita Gibson From cwt137 at yahoo.com Wed Sep 8 19:01:06 2004 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 12:01:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Changing to a different mouse In-Reply-To: <14488537.1094666305812.JavaMail.Administrator@ATP2> Message-ID: <20040908190106.32672.qmail@web12105.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, I haven't used a serial mouse in years, and never in linux. But here is some docs on mice in x-windows: http://www.xfree.org/4.4.0/mouse.html Chris --- jconlon1 wrote: > I have a serial port track ball that I need to have > work for one of my > students. I have just installed K12ltsp 4.1 without > the ltsp component. I > tried every serial mouse choice provided in the > installation. None worked. > I currently have a PS-2 generic mouse installed. > > How do I change mice to make the track ball work. > In 4.0.1 it installed as > a microsoft intelligent mouse on com 1. > > Is this a matter of editing a file? If this is the > case where is the file > and what changes do I need to make to it? > > Thanks > Pat > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush From lsrpm at mts.net Wed Sep 8 18:54:08 2004 From: lsrpm at mts.net (Liam Marshall) Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 13:54:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] bottleneck question Message-ID: <1094669648.19487.6.camel@server.ltsp> It is the first day of school, so of course I have discovered a problem. Running K12LTSP server and 31 thin clients. All are able to connect, but after attempting to all surf with Mozilla at the same time it slowed down seriously ran top on server, which has hyperthreading single cpu 3.06 MHz and 2 GB RAM. cpu usage total says 152% with roughly 70% on cpu01 and 80 % on cpu00 memory free down to 400 MB. There is not much I can do immediately about the cpu. I can increase the memory to 4GB if I new that would help will it, or will the cpu usage still be really high, which according to top is the killer? From gumprechtm at msln.net Wed Sep 8 19:07:37 2004 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 15:07:37 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] bottleneck question In-Reply-To: <1094669648.19487.6.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1094669648.19487.6.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <413F5879.5000100@msln.net> According to "top", how much of disk cache is being used? Liam Marshall wrote: >It is the first day of school, so of course I have discovered a >problem. Running K12LTSP server and 31 thin clients. All are able to >connect, but after attempting to all surf with Mozilla at the same time >it slowed down seriously > >ran top on server, which has hyperthreading single cpu 3.06 MHz and 2 GB >RAM. cpu usage total says 152% with roughly 70% on cpu01 and 80 % on >cpu00 > >memory free down to 400 MB. > >There is not much I can do immediately about the cpu. I can increase >the memory to 4GB if I new that would help > >will it, or will the cpu usage still be really high, which according to >top is the killer? > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD#3 Unity, Maine 04988 Gumprechtm at msln.net From cwt137 at yahoo.com Wed Sep 8 19:06:14 2004 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 12:06:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] bottleneck question In-Reply-To: <1094669648.19487.6.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <20040908190614.53952.qmail@web12101.mail.yahoo.com> Hello, If it is a bandwith issue, you might want to consider a gigabit switch and make it your core switch, then put a gigabit nic in your server and connect it to the switch. Chris --- Liam Marshall wrote: > It is the first day of school, so of course I have > discovered a > problem. Running K12LTSP server and 31 thin > clients. All are able to > connect, but after attempting to all surf with > Mozilla at the same time > it slowed down seriously > > ran top on server, which has hyperthreading single > cpu 3.06 MHz and 2 GB > RAM. cpu usage total says 152% with roughly 70% on > cpu01 and 80 % on > cpu00 > > memory free down to 400 MB. > > There is not much I can do immediately about the > cpu. I can increase > the memory to 4GB if I new that would help > > will it, or will the cpu usage still be really high, > which according to > top is the killer? > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush From les at futuresource.com Wed Sep 8 19:48:13 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 14:48:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] bottleneck question In-Reply-To: <1094669648.19487.6.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1094669648.19487.6.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <1094672892.23639.25.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-09-08 at 13:54, Liam Marshall wrote: > It is the first day of school, so of course I have discovered a > problem. Running K12LTSP server and 31 thin clients. All are able to > connect, but after attempting to all surf with Mozilla at the same time > it slowed down seriously If it only happens with Mozilla, it may be internet bandwidth instead of a local problem. Or if there are a lot of animated graphics it could be server bandwidth toward the clients. > ran top on server, which has hyperthreading single cpu 3.06 MHz and 2 GB > RAM. cpu usage total says 152% with roughly 70% on cpu01 and 80 % on > cpu00 > > memory free down to 400 MB. > > There is not much I can do immediately about the cpu. I can increase > the memory to 4GB if I new that would help You can't tell much from the 'free' memory because additional memory will be used as buffers. > will it, or will the cpu usage still be really high, which according to > top is the killer? If you are using a substantial amount of swap (see top) or it is very active (do a 'vmstat 5' and watch when the system is busy) then adding memory will help a lot. If normal activity doesn't use swap, adding RAM will still help but won't make a big difference. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Thu Sep 9 00:14:16 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 20:14:16 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Something slowing me down...how can I measure? Message-ID: Ok, We've gone a couple weeks with K12LTSP 4.1 based on FC2. Very stable...very configurable...etc.etc.....BUT...something is making things slower. The only change I've made....and it's significant is that I'm now on one network and not segregated into my regular network and my K12LTSP network. I'm using another DHCP server instead of the DHCP on the K12LTSP box. Now...everything is working well...things are pretty responsive, but they don't seem as fast as 3.12. More than anything...programs like Firefox take a while to load....almost a minute or more. It's a little frustrating. (other programs like AbiWord seem to load with normal speed) I'm using gigabit for my backbone with Amer.com SR24G2's all over. I link from one switch to the other via gigabit. The servers all have gigabit. Memory is not an issue....I never go into swap. My server is a dual Xeon 2.x ghz with 4 gb RAM. I believe I'm using the 2.6 kernel. Any suggestions on what to look for to tweak my speed a little more? Any way that I can graphically measure the speed or traffic on my network and whose causing the problems? The weird part is....K12LTSP is a little sluggish, but Win 2003 server running from within K12LTSP (rdesktop) is quite fast! (at all times). Any ideas? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Thu Sep 9 00:14:16 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 20:14:16 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Something slowing me down...how can I measure? Message-ID: Ok, We've gone a couple weeks with K12LTSP 4.1 based on FC2. Very stable...very configurable...etc.etc.....BUT...something is making things slower. The only change I've made....and it's significant is that I'm now on one network and not segregated into my regular network and my K12LTSP network. I'm using another DHCP server instead of the DHCP on the K12LTSP box. Now...everything is working well...things are pretty responsive, but they don't seem as fast as 3.12. More than anything...programs like Firefox take a while to load....almost a minute or more. It's a little frustrating. (other programs like AbiWord seem to load with normal speed) I'm using gigabit for my backbone with Amer.com SR24G2's all over. I link from one switch to the other via gigabit. The servers all have gigabit. Memory is not an issue....I never go into swap. My server is a dual Xeon 2.x ghz with 4 gb RAM. I believe I'm using the 2.6 kernel. Any suggestions on what to look for to tweak my speed a little more? Any way that I can graphically measure the speed or traffic on my network and whose causing the problems? The weird part is....K12LTSP is a little sluggish, but Win 2003 server running from within K12LTSP (rdesktop) is quite fast! (at all times). Any ideas? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From lsrpm at mts.net Thu Sep 9 01:08:02 2004 From: lsrpm at mts.net (Liam Marshall) Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 20:08:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] bottleneck question In-Reply-To: <1094672892.23639.25.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1094669648.19487.6.camel@server.ltsp> <1094672892.23639.25.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <413FACF2.8050800@mts.net> Les Mikesell wrote: >On Wed, 2004-09-08 at 13:54, Liam Marshall wrote: > > >>It is the first day of school, so of course I have discovered a >>problem. Running K12LTSP server and 31 thin clients. All are able to >>connect, but after attempting to all surf with Mozilla at the same time >>it slowed down seriously >> >> > >If it only happens with Mozilla, it may be internet bandwidth instead >of a local problem. Or if there are a lot of animated graphics it >could be server bandwidth toward the clients. > > > It happens in Mozilla, games, and any of the openoffice apps. At one point, with everyone going into Writer, free memory was down to less than 5% of the total. Once everyone finally gets into Writer, then the cpu total usage goes down to 40 to 50 % but the used memory stays very high >>ran top on server, which has hyperthreading single cpu 3.06 MHz and 2 GB >>RAM. cpu usage total says 152% with roughly 70% on cpu01 and 80 % on >>cpu00 >> >>memory free down to 400 MB. >> >>There is not much I can do immediately about the cpu. I can increase >>the memory to 4GB if I new that would help >> >> > >You can't tell much from the 'free' memory because additional memory >will be used as buffers. > > > >>will it, or will the cpu usage still be really high, which according to >>top is the killer? >> >> > >If you are using a substantial amount of swap (see top) or it is >very active (do a 'vmstat 5' and watch when the system is busy) >then adding memory will help a lot. If normal activity doesn't >use swap, adding RAM will still help but won't make a big difference. > > How much is alot? After everyone was in the app texteditor, cpu usage was 39% , free memory was 130 MB out of 2 GB, and vmstat 5 revealed over 60 Mb used in cache, I think >--- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Sep 9 00:51:34 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 00:51:34 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Something slowing me down...how can I measure? Message-ID: <200409090057.i890vbH05369@downeast.net> david..i'msure yyou have looked in all the usual places..for runaways and mem hogs...can you bring it up in 3LTSp??even on a cach as catch can basis??does nfs sort of hang when terminals boot up??or when server boots up??i ha an awful slow response when switching a server to a diff subnet cause of stale nfs in /var/lib/nfs...i actually ripped out contents of same..since yesterday response has improved by a factor of 5..chuck > Ok, > > We've gone a couple weeks with K12LTSP 4.1 based on FC2. Very > stable...very configurable...etc.etc.....BUT...something is making things > slower. The only change I've made....and it's significant is that I'm now > on one network and not segregated into my regular network and my K12LTSP > network. I'm using another DHCP server instead of the DHCP on the K12LTSP > box. Now...everything is working well...things are pretty responsive, but > they don't seem as fast as 3.12. More than anything...programs like > Firefox take a while to load....almost a minute or more. It's a little > frustrating. (other programs like AbiWord seem to load with normal speed) > I'm using gigabit for my backbone with Amer.com SR24G2's all over. I > link from one switch to the other via gigabit. The servers all have > gigabit. Memory is not an issue....I never go into swap. My server is a > dual Xeon 2.x ghz with 4 gb RAM. I believe I'm using the 2.6 kernel. Any > suggestions on what to look for to tweak my speed a little more? Any way > that I can graphically measure the speed or traffic on my network and > whose causing the problems? The weird part is....K12LTSP is a little > sluggish, but Win 2003 server running from within K12LTSP (rdesktop) is > quite fast! (at all times). Any ideas? > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From ckjohnson at gwi.net Thu Sep 9 01:46:26 2004 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 21:46:26 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Something slowing me down...how can I measure? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <413FB5F2.5090809@gwi.net> David Trask wrote: >I believe I'm using the 2.6 kernel. Any suggestions on what to look for to tweak my speed a little more? > Here is a line to add to /etc/modprobe.conf which is known to help mozilla/firefox performance on 2.6 kernel: alias net-pf-10 off It turns off ipv6, but unlike most Linux configuration changes YOU HAVE TO REBOOT for it to take effect. Here are some lines I add to /etc/sysctl.conf that can affect some network applications, and one just for security... # Disable TCP ECN which some routers and servers cannot handle. net.ipv4.tcp_ecn = 0 # Disable TCP window scaling which some routers and firewalls cannot handle. net.ipv4.tcp_window_scaling = 0 # Disable response to broadcast icmp echo requests. net.ipv4.icmp_echo_ignore_broadcasts = 1 The reboot for the modprobe.conf change will pick up these changes too, or you can activate them immediately: sysctl -p Let me know if those help. Chris -- ----------------------------------------------------------- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 From pfaffman at gmail.com Thu Sep 9 02:27:50 2004 From: pfaffman at gmail.com (Jay Pfaffman) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 22:27:50 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Outside access to K12ltsp intermittently cut off In-Reply-To: <00c101c495b8$cb2817e0$6401a8c0@WSRAMHB> References: <413E1078.2060202@pacifier.com> <00c101c495b8$cb2817e0$6401a8c0@WSRAMHB> Message-ID: <93260980040908192757c3ca85@mail.gmail.com> I've had a similar problem and the explanation was that another machine was using the same IP. With lots of switches the problem was harder to find because from some machines machines would go to the right machine and others to the rogue machine. Use arp to see if you're hitting the machine you think you are. On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 17:30:38 +0200, Henning Bertelsen wrote: > Hi > > I use shorewall too, and I had the same problem when connecting through a > dial upp ISP. > Shorewall is blocking some IP adresses in the /etc/shorewall/rfc1918 file. > I commented out IP adresses beginning with 82, 84, 88, and 96, then did a > "shorewall restart". > > Check your /var/log/messages file to see if you find something like > shorewall:rfc1918:DROP at the time you try to log in. > What Ip adress do you have when it does not work? > > Anyway a better forum would probably be the shorewall mailing list, You can > find it at http://www.shorewall.net. > > > //Henning > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Duane Wilson" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 9:48 PM > Subject: [K12OSN] Outside access to K12ltsp intermittently cut off > > > This may not be the right forum for this question. If anyone can think > > of a better place to ask this question feel free to advise. > > > > I use ssh remotely to administer a K12ltsp system > > > > Sometimes I can ssh in, sometimes I get no response with ssh or ping to > > that address. An hour or two later it works without any intervention. > > > > My firewall/router/squid/dansguardian box is an older Compac proliant G2 > > server with 2 nics. One nic faces my ISP with a static IP address. > > The other nic faces my K12ltsp server. > > The firewall box is running shorewall for my iptables rules generator. > > > > Wierd thing is that even when it won't respond to anything from outside > > it still works fine for internet access from inside! > > > > I have been fighting this problem for a year. It happened with K12ltsp > > 4.0 and continues with a fresh install of 4.1 > > > > I have asked local linux gurus and gotten nothing more than scratching > > heads and blank looks. > > > > Anyone have any idea what I might try to diagnose this? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Duane Wilson > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- Jay Pfaffman Asst Professor of Instructional Technology, U. TN, Knoxville Experimenting with gmail, please honor the Reply-To From les at futuresource.com Thu Sep 9 02:29:18 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 21:29:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] bottleneck question In-Reply-To: <413FACF2.8050800@mts.net> References: <1094669648.19487.6.camel@server.ltsp> <1094672892.23639.25.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <413FACF2.8050800@mts.net> Message-ID: <1094696958.15193.7.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-09-08 at 20:08, Liam Marshall wrote: > > > >If you are using a substantial amount of swap (see top) or it is > >very active (do a 'vmstat 5' and watch when the system is busy) > >then adding memory will help a lot. If normal activity doesn't > >use swap, adding RAM will still help but won't make a big difference. > > > > > > How much is alot? After everyone was in the app texteditor, cpu usage > was 39% , free memory was 130 MB out of 2 GB, and vmstat 5 revealed > over 60 Mb used in cache, I think It is the activity more than the amount that will slow you down - loaded but inactive programs that are paged out don't hurt much. Do a 'vmstat 5' so you see snapshots every 5 seconds and if the 'si' and 'so' numbers show paging activity in normal operation then RAM will help. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From lsrpm at mts.net Thu Sep 9 02:10:08 2004 From: lsrpm at mts.net (Liam Marshall) Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 21:10:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] bottleneck question In-Reply-To: <413F5879.5000100@msln.net> References: <1094669648.19487.6.camel@server.ltsp> <413F5879.5000100@msln.net> Message-ID: <413FBB80.3020406@mts.net> Mark Gumprecht wrote: > According to "top", how much of disk cache is being used? > I believe around 60 MB but I will check tomorrow > Liam Marshall wrote: > >> It is the first day of school, so of course I have discovered a >> problem. Running K12LTSP server and 31 thin clients. All are able to >> connect, but after attempting to all surf with Mozilla at the same time >> it slowed down seriously >> >> ran top on server, which has hyperthreading single cpu 3.06 MHz and 2 GB >> RAM. cpu usage total says 152% with roughly 70% on cpu01 and 80 % on >> cpu00 >> >> memory free down to 400 MB. >> >> There is not much I can do immediately about the cpu. I can increase >> the memory to 4GB if I new that would help >> >> will it, or will the cpu usage still be really high, which according to >> top is the killer? >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> > From pfaffman at gmail.com Thu Sep 9 02:29:04 2004 From: pfaffman at gmail.com (Jay Pfaffman) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 22:29:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Sleep Problem In-Reply-To: <413E5536.90808@telus.net> References: <341D3A1042CB@mail.sheltonbusinessmachines.com> <413E5536.90808@telus.net> Message-ID: <9326098004090819292487915@mail.gmail.com> I had a similar problem once (but with only one machine) that I attributed to a bad Ethernet cable. On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 17:41:26 -0700, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > > Jeremy Lampe wrote: > > > I am having a problem with my clients starting to boot and then going > > to a sleep error. It is not on every client and it is not constantly > > happening. About once a day I will get a message from a teacher saying > > her machines are sleeping. At first I thought she was talking about > > Screensaver/PowerSaver stuff. I went over and she told me that it was > > happening as it booted and showed me where it was happening (wasn't > > doing it while I was there). So, does anyone have any tips or ideas on > > why I am having this unconsistent intermittent sleep problem? I > > haven't personally seen it happen so I don't know if it is happening > > looking for the DHCP server or loading the kernel. I do know that she > > has 2 clients and it only happens on one at a time. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jeremy > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > I had a similar problem at one point. It was caused by the schools dhcp > server giving an ip to the client before my k12ltsp server could give it > an ip. Basically, you should make sure you don't have 2 dhcp servers on > the same network. If you can't avoid that then do a search of March or > April of this year to find a solution how to have them co-exist. Search > for "2 dhcp servers" in the archives. > > Robert A > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- Jay Pfaffman Asst Professor of Instructional Technology, U. TN, Knoxville Experimenting with gmail, please honor the Reply-To From lsrpm at mts.net Thu Sep 9 02:46:53 2004 From: lsrpm at mts.net (Liam Marshall) Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 21:46:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] bottleneck question In-Reply-To: <1094696958.15193.7.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <1094669648.19487.6.camel@server.ltsp> <1094672892.23639.25.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <413FACF2.8050800@mts.net> <1094696958.15193.7.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <413FC41D.5000107@mts.net> Les Mikesell wrote: >On Wed, 2004-09-08 at 20:08, Liam Marshall wrote: > > > >>>If you are using a substantial amount of swap (see top) or it is >>>very active (do a 'vmstat 5' and watch when the system is busy) >>>then adding memory will help a lot. If normal activity doesn't >>>use swap, adding RAM will still help but won't make a big difference. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>How much is alot? After everyone was in the app texteditor, cpu usage >>was 39% , free memory was 130 MB out of 2 GB, and vmstat 5 revealed >>over 60 Mb used in cache, I think >> >> > >It is the activity more than the amount that will slow you >down - loaded but inactive programs that are paged out >don't hurt much. Do a 'vmstat 5' so you see snapshots >every 5 seconds and if the 'si' and 'so' numbers show >paging activity in normal operation then RAM will help. > > > thanks for the input, but I just don't no how to interpret what you said. I will check to si and so numbers, but how do I interpret them? From lsrpm at mts.net Thu Sep 9 04:14:18 2004 From: lsrpm at mts.net (Liam Marshall) Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 23:14:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Python Idle problem Message-ID: <413FD89A.5040608@mts.net> When I set up the lab, I installed the latest version of python and extras for it that I could find. the IDE program idle resides in the usr/bin folder. I tested it on a variety of workstations and they all worked. But I didn't try it on multiple machines at the same time. Today in class I did and it failed. the first person to try got the idle screen, everyone else got an error message, I forget exactly the wording, but I can post it tomorrow, but it was something to the effect of the socket already being in use. How would I get it to work on multiple machines? Java NetBeans 3.6 ide works on multiple machines, but it resides in the opt/netbeans/bin directory. does it work because it is in the opt directory? and does the Python IDE not work because of where it is located? was there a network install that I missed? Please help. I can use python in the terminal window on multiple machines From les at futuresource.com Thu Sep 9 04:14:10 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 23:14:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] bottleneck question In-Reply-To: <413FC41D.5000107@mts.net> References: <1094669648.19487.6.camel@server.ltsp> <1094672892.23639.25.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <413FACF2.8050800@mts.net> <1094696958.15193.7.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <413FC41D.5000107@mts.net> Message-ID: <1094703249.15642.13.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-09-08 at 21:46, Liam Marshall wrote: > > > >It is the activity more than the amount that will slow you > >down - loaded but inactive programs that are paged out > >don't hurt much. Do a 'vmstat 5' so you see snapshots > >every 5 seconds and if the 'si' and 'so' numbers show > >paging activity in normal operation then RAM will help. > > > > > > thanks for the input, but I just don't no how to interpret what you > said. I will check to si and so numbers, but how do I interpret them? It shows the blocks of memory being swapped out (so) to disk and back in (si) in KB/s. You can tolerate some unused parts of large programs being swapped out to gain virtual memory space, but if the memory for active programs is threshing to disk memory access effectively slows down to disk speed. You will also see the cpu use and idle time. If your swap partition is on an efficient scsi disk you might see the cpu have a fairly high idle percentage while the system waits for disk access. With an IDE system you might see high cpu use along with swap activity. If you see high cpu use (low idle percentage) and little swapping, it won't help much to add RAM. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From bimalp at indoasian.com Thu Sep 9 04:02:53 2004 From: bimalp at indoasian.com (bimal pandit) Date: 09 Sep 2004 09:32:53 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] recovery and scroll mouse... In-Reply-To: <1094271216.10075.1.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1094219174.23865.2.camel@server.ltsp> <1094271216.10075.1.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <1094702573.5851.2.camel@server.ltsp> Dear Sir, i tried all theses but ... X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "IMPS/2" X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/psaux" X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 3 X_ZAxisMapping = "4 5" still looking for a solution... regards bimal On Sat, 2004-09-04 at 09:43, Sudev Barar wrote: > On Fri, 2004-09-03 at 19:16, bimal pandit wrote: > > 2)also how can i make use of scroll button of mouse for my clients, as > > we can do for normal system using in XF86config > > > > "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" > Set the following in the lts.conf file: > > X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "IMPS/2" > X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/psaux" > X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 3 > > > HTH From lsrpm at mts.net Thu Sep 9 04:18:53 2004 From: lsrpm at mts.net (Liam Marshall) Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 23:18:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] bottleneck question In-Reply-To: <1094703249.15642.13.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <1094669648.19487.6.camel@server.ltsp> <1094672892.23639.25.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <413FACF2.8050800@mts.net> <1094696958.15193.7.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <413FC41D.5000107@mts.net> <1094703249.15642.13.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <413FD9AD.1010409@mts.net> Les Mikesell wrote: >On Wed, 2004-09-08 at 21:46, Liam Marshall wrote: > > >>>It is the activity more than the amount that will slow you >>>down - loaded but inactive programs that are paged out >>>don't hurt much. Do a 'vmstat 5' so you see snapshots >>>every 5 seconds and if the 'si' and 'so' numbers show >>>paging activity in normal operation then RAM will help. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>thanks for the input, but I just don't no how to interpret what you >>said. I will check to si and so numbers, but how do I interpret them? >> >> > >It shows the blocks of memory being swapped out (so) to disk and >back in (si) in KB/s. You can tolerate some unused parts of >large programs being swapped out to gain virtual memory space, >but if the memory for active programs is threshing to disk >memory access effectively slows down to disk speed. > >You will also see the cpu use and idle time. If your swap >partition is on an efficient scsi disk you might see the >cpu have a fairly high idle percentage while the system >waits for disk access. With an IDE system you might see >high cpu use along with swap activity. If you see high >cpu use (low idle percentage) and little swapping, it >won't help much to add RAM. > > > thanks, I will look into that From daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se Thu Sep 9 06:19:22 2004 From: daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se (Daniel Hedblom) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 08:19:22 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: NDS Authentication of LTSP (multiple contexts) In-Reply-To: <04Sep8.102934cest.87186@fw01.solleftea.se> References: <200409072151.i87Lp7P30792@postman.landmarkschool.org> <04Sep8.102934cest.87186@fw01.solleftea.se> Message-ID: <3837.195.84.143.98.1094710762.squirrel@195.84.143.98> I have it setup this way and it works very well. Keep in mind that to identical logins will not work even if they are in different contexts. Ncpfs will just try the first login with a matching name. Cheers! > Hi List & Jonathan... > >> Thanks for posting the simplified NDS authentication how to. In my NDS >> tree students are in several contexts. (aaaa.bbbb.students, >> cccc.dddd.students, and so on). Should I make multiple copies >> of the line to be inserted above line #6 or should I list multiple >> contexts in the same line? If the latter, can you reply with a >> recommended syntax? > > Yer this is possible by adding multiple contexts in the same line.... > with the syntax as follows... > (note this is the end part of the line... you still need add the start of > the line...) > > ndsserver=XXXXXX:ou=aaaa.ou=bbbb.o=YYYY,ou=cccc.ou=dddd.o=YYYY -d -L > -u2000, > 4000,pn,gcds -g2000,4000,pn -A > > So as you can see, all that is needed is a comma (,) then add the next > context.... > as far as I know you can has as many context here as you see fit... > > Best Regards > > > Gavin Spurgeon > Assistant Systems Administrator > gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk > http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk > Tel: 01322 620400 > DDI: 01322 620501 > IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 > > ############################################# > > Unofficial K12LTSP HOWTOz & Extraz Site > (http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net) > > ############################################# > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- ------Disclaimer----- The expressions in this mail are my own. Daniel Hedblom Network Admin Mobile +46 70-383 72 44 Nipan School District Work +46 620-68 26 38 Sweden From bimalp at indoasian.com Thu Sep 9 10:13:32 2004 From: bimalp at indoasian.com (bimal pandit) Date: 09 Sep 2004 15:43:32 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] recovery and scroll mouse... In-Reply-To: <7985443B-FE7C-11D8-B1BA-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> References: <1094219174.23865.2.camel@server.ltsp> <7985443B-FE7C-11D8-B1BA-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> Message-ID: <1094724812.16438.11.camel@server.ltsp> Dear Sir, well i have only on file in which i do settings i.e. /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf so i made entries in it for per workstations till now i tested the following but ... [ws009] XSERVER = vesa LOCAL_APPS = N USE_NFS_SWAP = N SWAPFILE_SIZE = 48m RUNLEVEL = 5 X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "IMPS/2" X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/psaux" X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 3 X_ZAxisMapping = "4 5" hope to get further inputs/idea's regards, bimal On Sat, 2004-09-04 at 19:42, Burke Almquist wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Is there an XF86config file in your ltsp share with the mapping set up? > Or did you only do this on the server? > > On Sep 3, 2004, at 8:46 AM, bimal pandit wrote: > > > Dear All, > > > > i had few queries as i am still lokking for some solution on these :- > > > > i am using ltsp-3.0.2 on redhat linux 9.0 > > > > 1)since my users(Thin Client Nodes) are working on the > > server(LTSP-model), and suddenly due to power fluctuation(though we > > have > > UPS) sometimes UPS could not handle it and system gets rebooted, in > > this > > situation the files which were opened and in which the user was > > working(has not saved) also gets lost, but since the server is still up > > and running perfectly , how can i retrieve their data. > > > > for e.g. a user was working in openoffice on a document > > "abc.doc" now he has done various editing partin it but has not saved > > and suddenly system(his) goes down, but as the processes are running on > > the server how can i reterieve his file as it was?? > > > > also is there a way to do it auto save after every say 30 sec.??, which > > could also save a bit of prob. > > > > 2)also how can i make use of scroll button of mouse for my clients, as > > we can do for normal system using in XF86config > > > > "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" > > > > hope someone has the answer or a pointer to it. > > > > regards, > > > > bimal > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) > > iEYEARECAAYFAkE5zVYACgkQfqZR3ThMfXTw6gCfSguirILxWWG6T9EY+FL8H88S > tXoAn03N3C/ZtwaLChIZ3s6eHRrvxbPN > =GoCf > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Sep 9 04:30:25 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 21:30:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Mondo fails in 4.1....won't go...ideas? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Sep 2004, Eric Harrison wrote: > >There is a newer version of mondo available, I'll take a look at that >ASAP. I finally got the latest version of mondo to build. I have not tested it (I've never used it), so would someone be so kind as to test this out and report back to the list? I see that it has the code to read /etc/modprobe.conf, so it *should* work ;-) Also note that it has a new dependancy, you need mondo, mindi, and buffer. All three test packages for K12LTSP 4.1 are located here: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/ -Eric >On Fri, 3 Sep 2004, David Trask wrote: > >>Hi all, >> >>I'm trying to run Mondo Rescue on my K12LTSP box (4.1) FC2 and I get the >>following error. I noticed that /etc/modules.conf does not exist. Any >>suggestions? I got mondo via the K12LTSP repository using apt....so I'm >>wondering why it won't work. I don't want to get too far into it without >>consulting you guys. Happened on 2 systems. See below... >>########################################## >> >>[root at k12ltsp root]# mondoarchive >>Initializing... >>See /var/log/mondo-archive.log for details of backup run. >>root is mounted at /dev/md1 >>I believe I am running on a live filesystem. >>root is mounted at /dev/md1 >>I believe I am running on a live filesystem. >>Checking sanity of your Linux distribution >>Please find out what happened to /etc/modules.conf >>Mindi --makemountlist failed for some reason. Bad fstab file? >>Failed. >>---FATALERROR--- Failed to pre-param initialize >>Please contact the mailing list. See http://www.mondorescue.com >>for more information on how to do that. >>Enclose your compressed logfile or we CANNOT HELP. >>Log file: /var/log/mondo-archive.log >>FYI, I have gzipped the log and saved it to /tmp/MA.log.gz >>Mondo has aborted. >> > From ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us Thu Sep 9 13:07:43 2004 From: ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us (Richard K. Ingalls) Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 08:07:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] bottleneck question In-Reply-To: <1094669648.19487.6.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1094669648.19487.6.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <4140559F.5030401@glenwood.k12.mo.us> Liam Marshall wrote: > It is the first day of school, so of course I have discovered a > problem. Running K12LTSP server and 31 thin clients. All are able to > connect, but after attempting to all surf with Mozilla at the same time > it slowed down seriously > do you have gigabit from the server to the switch? that may help significantly. i'd think that you'd want 3 or 4 GB of RAM also. > ran top on server, which has hyperthreading single cpu 3.06 MHz and 2 GB > RAM. cpu usage total says 152% with roughly 70% on cpu01 and 80 % on > cpu00 > > memory free down to 400 MB. > > There is not much I can do immediately about the cpu. I can increase > the memory to 4GB if I new that would help > > will it, or will the cpu usage still be really high, which according to > top is the killer? > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- =========================================================== "He is no fool who gives up what he cannot keep for that which he cannot lose." -- Jim Elliott RICHARD K. INGALLS Director of Information Technology Glenwood R-8 School District West Plains, MO email..ringalls (at) glenwood.k12.mo.us web....http://glenwood.k12.mo.us ph.....417.256.4849 fax....417.257.2567 "Miracles are a retelling in small letters of the very same story which is written across the whole world in letters too large for some of us to see." -- C. S. Lewis =========================================================== From sudev at mantraonline.com Thu Sep 9 13:11:26 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 18:41:26 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] recovery and scroll mouse... In-Reply-To: <1094724812.16438.11.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1094219174.23865.2.camel@server.ltsp> <7985443B-FE7C-11D8-B1BA-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> <1094724812.16438.11.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <1094735485.3020.7.camel@roop.ltsp> On Thu, 2004-09-09 at 15:43, bimal pandit wrote: > well i have only on file in which i do settings i.e. > > /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf [SNIP] > X_ZAxisMapping = "4 5" AFAIK this is not needed. Can you send copy of your /etc/X11/XF86Config file? Confirm that /dev/mouse ponits to link /dev/psaux -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Sep 9 12:58:38 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 07:58:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Kernel Panic with SATA RAID In-Reply-To: <005201c48ecd$aacb8140$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <000201c4966c$b9882c00$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > > An intermediate fix might be to install the base system on > > a different controller (single drives or mirrored IDE or > > SCSI would work), then mount /var and /home partitions from > > your raid controller if the only problem is booting from it. > > Thanks Les. This idea may be perfect. If your ever in town > remind me to buy you dinner :-) Just an update here, the above solution worked perfect. Thanks again. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.744 / Virus Database: 496 - Release Date: 8/24/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Sep 9 13:33:40 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 08:33:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] NIC swap in LTSP Message-ID: <000401c49671$9e566730$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> I posted this problem before but let me re-outline it for everyone. I have a new Dell with a Gigabit NIC onboard and a 10/100 NIC PCI card. Problem is when 4.1.0 loads it detects my NIC's in an undesirable order defaulting my Gigabit NIC for internet and the 10/100 for the LTSP network. I need this of course in opposite order. Les recommended me to swap aliases in /etc/modules.conf and reboot and all should be well. But the only modules.conf I can find is under opt/ltsp/etc/yadda/yadda. So what would the next suggestion be? I tried to just reassign the Gig NIC with the proper static 192.168.0.254 and the 10/100 with DHCP on load, but that just makes things stupid. The K12LTSP must defaultly configure based on interface names such as eth0 and eth1 on load which I am unable to change until after the fact. Any other suggestions would be appreciated, as of right now my Gig switch and NIC are fairly useless. Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.744 / Virus Database: 496 - Release Date: 8/24/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From ckjohnson at gwi.net Thu Sep 9 13:39:54 2004 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 09:39:54 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] NIC swap in LTSP In-Reply-To: <000401c49671$9e566730$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000401c49671$9e566730$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <41405D2A.3010509@gwi.net> Jim Kronebusch wrote: >I posted this problem before but let me re-outline it for everyone. I >have a new Dell with a Gigabit NIC onboard and a 10/100 NIC PCI card. >Problem is when 4.1.0 loads it detects my NIC's in an undesirable order >defaulting my Gigabit NIC for internet and the 10/100 for the LTSP >network. I need this of course in opposite order. Les recommended me >to swap aliases in /etc/modules.conf and reboot and all should be well. > On a 2.6 kernel that file would now be /etc/modprobe.conf, and some syntax has changed, but alias is still the same. Also note that this change alone may not be sufficient. If you run system-config-network it is possible to configure MAC addr association with interface configs, which you may want to explore if the alias lines in /etc/modprobe.conf don't fix your problem. Chris -- ----------------------------------------------------------- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Sep 9 13:43:15 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 08:43:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] NIC swap in LTSP In-Reply-To: <41405D2A.3010509@gwi.net> Message-ID: <000601c49672$f51070b0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > On a 2.6 kernel that file would now be /etc/modprobe.conf, and some > syntax has changed, but alias is still the same. > Also note that this change alone may not be sufficient. If you run > system-config-network it is possible to configure MAC addr > association > with interface configs, which you may want to explore if the > alias lines > in /etc/modprobe.conf don't fix your problem. Thanks for the quick reply Chris, I'll check it out. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.744 / Virus Database: 496 - Release Date: 8/24/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jritchie at bible.edu Thu Sep 9 13:52:41 2004 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Josiah Ritchie) Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 09:52:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] NIC swap in LTSP In-Reply-To: <000401c49671$9e566730$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000401c49671$9e566730$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1094737960.25788.604.camel@penguin> Have you tried physically swapping the two in the slots or is one on-board? On Thu, 2004-09-09 at 09:33, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I posted this problem before but let me re-outline it for everyone. I > have a new Dell with a Gigabit NIC onboard and a 10/100 NIC PCI card. > Problem is when 4.1.0 loads it detects my NIC's in an undesirable order > defaulting my Gigabit NIC for internet and the 10/100 for the LTSP > network. I need this of course in opposite order. Les recommended me > to swap aliases in /etc/modules.conf and reboot and all should be well. > But the only modules.conf I can find is under opt/ltsp/etc/yadda/yadda. > So what would the next suggestion be? I tried to just reassign the Gig > NIC with the proper static 192.168.0.254 and the 10/100 with DHCP on > load, but that just makes things stupid. The K12LTSP must defaultly > configure based on interface names such as eth0 and eth1 on load which I > am unable to change until after the fact. > > Any other suggestions would be appreciated, as of right now my Gig > switch and NIC are fairly useless. > > Jim Kronebusch > Cotter Tech Department > 507-453-5188 > jim at winonacotter.org > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.744 / Virus Database: 496 - Release Date: 8/24/2004 > -- Josiah Ritchie Network Administrator Washington Bible College Capital Bible Seminary From sudev at mantraonline.com Thu Sep 9 14:15:53 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 19:45:53 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] NIC swap in LTSP In-Reply-To: <000401c49671$9e566730$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000401c49671$9e566730$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1094739352.3022.2.camel@roop.ltsp> On Thu, 2004-09-09 at 19:03, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I posted this problem before but let me re-outline it for everyone. I > have a new Dell with a Gigabit NIC onboard and a 10/100 NIC PCI card. > Problem is when 4.1.0 loads it detects my NIC's in an undesirable order > defaulting my Gigabit NIC for internet and the 10/100 for the LTSP > network. I need this of course in opposite order. Les recommended me > to swap aliases in /etc/modules.conf and reboot and all should be well. > But the only modules.conf I can find is under opt/ltsp/etc/yadda/yadda. > So what would the next suggestion be? I tried to just reassign the Gig > NIC with the proper static 192.168.0.254 and the 10/100 with DHCP on > load, but that just makes things stupid. The K12LTSP must defaultly > configure based on interface names such as eth0 and eth1 on load which I > am unable to change until after the fact. > > Any other suggestions would be appreciated, as of right now my Gig > switch and NIC are fairly useless. Try running command neat Both interfaces should show up. Note down all details in edit and then stop both interface and do the edits. Also use the probe and fix MAC address. Save and restart the interfaces. I think this should do what you want. HTH -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From lsrpm at mts.net Thu Sep 9 15:03:15 2004 From: lsrpm at mts.net (Liam Marshall) Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 10:03:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] bottleneck question In-Reply-To: <1094672892.23639.25.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1094669648.19487.6.camel@server.ltsp> <1094672892.23639.25.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1094742195.22404.2.camel@server.ltsp> ...snip > > If you are using a substantial amount of swap (see top) or it is > very active (do a 'vmstat 5' and watch when the system is busy) > then adding memory will help a lot. If normal activity doesn't > use swap, adding RAM will still help but won't make a big difference. > > --- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > so if at the moment of the apparent jam/hang vmstat 5 is showing lots of both si and so, and the cpu id is a low number(at one point it hit 0) that means extra memory will help right? > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From pfaffman at gmail.com Thu Sep 9 02:55:03 2004 From: pfaffman at gmail.com (Jay Pfaffman) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 22:55:03 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Upgrading to K12LTSP 4.1.0 - User accounts and settings In-Reply-To: <000701c48e95$f0200c80$0200a8c0@harekrishna.school.nz> References: <93260980040822150448b3a886@mail.gmail.com> <000701c48e95$f0200c80$0200a8c0@harekrishna.school.nz> Message-ID: <93260980040908195526f06e7b@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 06:33:29 -0700, Krsnendu wrote: > > Yes, you'll need to save /home & when you do the re-install, create a > separate partiion for /home. That way you can just leave it in place > for the next upgrade. I'm not sure why the default isn't to create a > separate /home. > __________________________________________________________ > Krsnendu replies: > > How do I setup the separate partition when installing K12LTSP 4.1? > I know there is a section of the install for partitions, but I am not > sure how much space to leave for each partition and how to link /home to > its own partition. There's an option early in the install to partiion with disk druid. Exactly how big to make each partition is something of an art, but 20-50MB for /boot 5-20GB for /root and the rest for /home is one way to go. If / is too small, you can move /var to /home (and make a symlink pointing to it). -- Jay Pfaffman Asst Professor of Instructional Technology, U. TN, Knoxville Experimenting with gmail, please honor the Reply-To From les at futuresource.com Thu Sep 9 15:19:42 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 10:19:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] bottleneck question In-Reply-To: <1094742195.22404.2.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1094669648.19487.6.camel@server.ltsp> <1094672892.23639.25.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <1094742195.22404.2.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <1094743182.5944.7.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2004-09-09 at 10:03, Liam Marshall wrote: > so if at the moment of the apparent jam/hang vmstat 5 is showing lots of > both si and so, and the cpu id is a low number(at one point it hit 0) > that means extra memory will help right? Yes. Your other potential bottleneck is the outbound network traffic updating all the X displays. You can get a real-time graphic view of the CPU/disk/memory/net usage by running 'gkrellm' on the server. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From lsrpm at mts.net Thu Sep 9 15:20:08 2004 From: lsrpm at mts.net (Liam Marshall) Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 10:20:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] top question Message-ID: <1094743208.22427.11.camel@server.ltsp> in top when all users are logged in, I get a line for each and everyone of them showin rhn-applet-gui this line, each time it shows, reports a cpu use of 1-2 % and a memory use of around 1% if this is accurate, with 30 users this represents a cpu use of between 30 and 60% ! sometimes those lines for rhn-applet-gui go away but they usually show up periodically. correct me if I am wrong but this app is something that periodically goes out and checks to see if updates are avail from redhat. If so I don't need this to run. I do a yum update manually periodically. If blowing away the applet frees up some resources, that would be great. PS how do I get rid of it? Thanks From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Thu Sep 9 15:45:29 2004 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 08:45:29 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] top question In-Reply-To: <1094743208.22427.11.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1094743208.22427.11.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <1094744729.27995.4.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> On Thu, 2004-09-09 at 08:20, Liam Marshall wrote: > If so I don't need this to run. I do a yum update manually > periodically. If blowing away the applet frees up some resources, that > would be great. > > PS how do I get rid of it? rpm -e rhn-applet -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Sep 9 15:29:29 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 10:29:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] NIC swap in LTSP In-Reply-To: <1094737960.25788.604.camel@penguin> Message-ID: <000801c49681$cc56ba80$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > Have you tried physically swapping the two in the slots or is > one on-board? The Gig is onboard. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.744 / Virus Database: 496 - Release Date: 8/24/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Sep 9 15:30:39 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 10:30:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] NIC swap in LTSP In-Reply-To: <1094739352.3022.2.camel@roop.ltsp> Message-ID: <000901c49681$f5fa84c0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > Both interfaces should show up. Note down all details in edit > and then stop both interface and do the edits. Also use the > probe and fix MAC address. Save and restart the interfaces. I > think this should do what you want. HTH I have printed up yours and Chris' suggestions and will give them a try at first chance this morning. Thanks --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.744 / Virus Database: 496 - Release Date: 8/24/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Thu Sep 9 16:22:38 2004 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 11:22:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Serial Mice Message-ID: <4140834E.5080104@honeygroveisd.net> As I understand it, the default ltsp.conf file will enable either a PS/2 or a USB (or both?) mouse on any client without any fussing with a [WORKSTATION] section. Is there any way to include serial mice (COM1 and/or COM2) to that mix? That way a workstation could have any of the most common mouse configurations "out of the box". I now very little about Linux, so if I'm just making my ignorance known, don't be afraid to say so. -- C-ya, Mark ____ Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive. From pvdw at criticalcontrol.com Thu Sep 9 16:26:14 2004 From: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com (Pete) Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 10:26:14 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] rdesktop resets X? Message-ID: <41408426.4020102@criticalcontrol.com> Hi All : I am testing the latest K12LTSP and have the following in my lts.conf : SCREEN_01 = startx SCREEN_02 = rdesktop -f 10.50.200.8 SCREEN_03 = shell Now all is working except that I got switched to screen 2 automatically every minute or so. (Evil Bill hacked my box ;-)) So when I start up a DC I get a Linux Login screen, after a short period (without touching a thing!) I am switched to screen 2... Same thing happens when I am logged in and working on screen 1, suddenly I am 're-directed- to screen 2... after switching back to screen 1 (and resume work) the process repeats every +/- 60 seconds. Any clues... ? I can't find a thing in Xorg.logs or messages I searched a bit in the archives of this list, the only thing I found was simular behaviour with older rdesktop versions, upgrading to the latest would help. As I am using the latest K12LTSP and did a yum update 10 minutes ago, I assume that this is not the solution to my problem. env: K12LTSP 4.1 rdesktop Version 1.3.1 WinT$ : Win -2000 Thanks Peter From colprep at biz.videotron.ca Thu Sep 9 18:40:43 2004 From: colprep at biz.videotron.ca (rob) Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 14:40:43 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] bandwidth-performance In-Reply-To: <20040909022957.A08EA73A15@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040909022957.A08EA73A15@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1094755243.31854.11.camel@nikon> Chris, would turning the following off in modprobe.conf help; in addition to your suggestion. # Uncomment the network protocols you don't want loaded: alias net-pf-3 off # Amateur Radio AX.25 alias net-pf-4 off # IPX alias net-pf-5 off # DDP / appletalk alias net-pf-6 off # Amateur Radio NET/ROM alias net-pf-9 off # X.25 alias net-pf-10 off # IPv6 alias net-pf-11 off # ROSE / Amateur Radio X.25 PLP alias net-pf-19 off # Acorn Econet - sysctl is an excellent way to finetune your kernel, do you have to do extensive testing on each server to really benefit from these changes. robert From kjohnson at optonline.net Thu Sep 9 19:29:48 2004 From: kjohnson at optonline.net (Ken Johnson) Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 15:29:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.1 Install Woes Message-ID: <200499152948.978729@KJ-Desktop> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bear2bar at netscape.net Thu Sep 9 19:27:32 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 15:27:32 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP references in Spanish Message-ID: <4140AEA4.9020004@netscape.net> Hi, We're looking at setting up schools in a Spanish community with K12ltsp systems, but they would like both documentation and referrals of other like Spanish installations. They don't want to be the first !! Any assistance in this would be greatly appreciated. thks norbert From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Thu Sep 9 19:33:14 2004 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 14:33:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] recovery and scroll mouse... In-Reply-To: <1094724812.16438.11.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1094219174.23865.2.camel@server.ltsp> <7985443B-FE7C-11D8-B1BA-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> <1094724812.16438.11.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <17D0876C-0297-11D9-8AC0-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Does the ZAxisMapping have to be all in uppercase now? On Sep 9, 2004, at 5:13 AM, bimal pandit wrote: > Dear Sir, > > well i have only on file in which i do settings i.e. > > /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf > > so i made entries in it for per workstations till now i tested the > following but ... > > [ws009] > XSERVER = vesa > LOCAL_APPS = N > USE_NFS_SWAP = N > SWAPFILE_SIZE = 48m > RUNLEVEL = 5 > X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "IMPS/2" > X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/psaux" > X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 3 > X_ZAxisMapping = "4 5" > > hope to get further inputs/idea's > > regards, > > bimal -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkFAr/oACgkQfqZR3ThMfXSmLACffTOdrndtssCxMjSxfXkBiuRw eCoAoIUP9Q+lukMXpZdB5RPgr9p6T4+0 =8UM5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ckjohnson at gwi.net Thu Sep 9 19:52:07 2004 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 15:52:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.1 Install Woes In-Reply-To: <200499152948.978729@KJ-Desktop> References: <200499152948.978729@KJ-Desktop> Message-ID: <4140B467.8030709@gwi.net> Ken Johnson wrote: > Unfortunately, I cannot get eth1 to see the Internet and when I try to > log in a workstation, it fails and shuts down the monitor on the > workstation. How can I stop the scrolling screen text, long enough to > read it. > > > > eth1 is active, but I can't reach the 'net. I have another standalone > machine which just has one NIC - set up as a standalone workstation > (not a workstation on my K12ltsp server). It is working fine - > (internet access) > > > > I have reinstalled version 4.1 (too)many times. What am I doing wrong? > Why isn't it working? What should I do next? How can I troubleshoot this? > > > It is entirely possible that your interfaces are switched as others have discussed on this list. Try swapping your cables between eth0 and eth1 and see if that makes a difference. -- ----------------------------------------------------------- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Thu Sep 9 19:54:34 2004 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (jconlon1) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 12:54:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Serial Mice Message-ID: <579884.1094759674359.JavaMail.Administrator@atp> This is a stand alone machine so I did not install the LTSP component. I looked for the file because I make all of those changes in the lts.conf on my server. Any other suggestions? And of course the big question is why doesn't 4.1 let me assign the port during the initial install. Thanks Pat >On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 11:22:38 -0500 Mark Cockrell wrote. >As I understand it, the default ltsp.conf file will enable either a PS/2 >or a USB (or both?) mouse on any client without any fussing with a >[WORKSTATION] section. Is there any way to include serial mice (COM1 >and/or COM2) to that mix? That way a workstation could have any of the >most common mouse configurations "out of the box". I now very little >about Linux, so if I'm just making my ignorance known, don't be afraid >to say so. > >-- >C-ya, >Mark >____ >Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive. > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see From kjohnson at optonline.net Thu Sep 9 21:46:31 2004 From: kjohnson at optonline.net (Ken Johnson) Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 17:46:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.1 Install Woes In-Reply-To: <4140B467.8030709@gwi.net> Message-ID: <200499174631.119671@KJ-Desktop> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bear2bar at netscape.net Thu Sep 9 21:50:57 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 17:50:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.1 Install Woes In-Reply-To: <200499174631.119671@KJ-Desktop> References: <200499174631.119671@KJ-Desktop> Message-ID: <4140D041.6070303@netscape.net> Hi Ken, At the risk of being simplistic, do you have the correct code in your dhcpd.conf file to accept pxe connections ? i.e. # trick from Peter Rundle if substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9) = "PXEClient" { filename "/lts/pxe/pxelinux.bin"; # NOTE: kernels are specified in /tftpboot/lts/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ } else { filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; } } } good luck norbert kjohnson at optonline.net wrote: > On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 15:52:07 -0400, Christopher K. Johnson wrote: >> Ken Johnson wrote: >> >> >>> Unfortunately, I cannot get eth1 to see the Internet and when I >>> try to log in a workstation, it fails and shuts down the monitor >>> on the workstation. How can I stop the scrolling screen text, >>> long enough to read it. >>> >>> >>> eth1 is active, but I can't reach the 'net. I have another >>> standalone machine which just has one NIC - set up as a >>> standalone workstation (not a workstation on my K12ltsp server). >>> It is working fine - (internet access) >>> >>> >>> I have reinstalled version 4.1 (too)many times. What am I doing >>> wrong? Why isn't it working? What should I do next? How can I >>> troubleshoot this? >>> >>> >> It is entirely possible that your interfaces are switched as others >> have discussed on this list. >> Try swapping your cables between eth0 and eth1 and see if that >> makes a difference. > > Thank you! Swapping cables fixed my internet access problem, but I > still can't boot up a workstation. > > > > I am trying to boot the workstation with a floppy. I have Realtek 8139 > network cards. > > > > I made the boot image with the 'cat' command but the workstation says > "Searching for server (DHCP)........" and that's as far as it gets. > > > > During a previous attempt it saw the server, but hung anyway. > > > > Is there something that I am missing? How can I (should I) boot with > pxe ? (specifically). I am by no means a Linux expert, but I can > follow a trail of breadcrumbs. > > > > Thanks again, > > > > Ken Johnson > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us Thu Sep 9 22:17:58 2004 From: rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us (Rick O'Dell) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 17:17:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] MailScanner Black list Message-ID: Hi Folks, I need some help with a black list that doesn't work. I created a file called "blacklist.rules" at "/opt/MailScanner/etc/rules/blacklist.rules", as per example. Rules are "From: xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx yes". The problem is, It just doesn't work, doesn't block the ip. Any Ideas????? Sorry, this Is a k12ltsp 4.01 box, with Postfix and MailScanner... Rick O'Dell Net Work Administrator Bakersfield R4 School Dst. Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.262 / Virus Database: 264.8.4 - Release Date: 9/9/2004 From dean at mumby.co.za Thu Sep 9 22:00:57 2004 From: dean at mumby.co.za (Dean Mumby) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 00:00:57 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.1 Install Woes In-Reply-To: <200499174631.119671@KJ-Desktop> References: <200499174631.119671@KJ-Desktop> Message-ID: <4140D299.5020304@mumby.co.za> Ken Johnson wrote: > On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 15:52:07 -0400, Christopher K. Johnson wrote: >> Ken Johnson wrote: >> >> >>> Unfortunately, I cannot get eth1 to see the Internet and when I >>> try to log in a workstation, it fails and shuts down the monitor >>> on the workstation. How can I stop the scrolling screen text, >>> long enough to read it. >>> >>> >>> eth1 is active, but I can't reach the 'net. I have another >>> standalone machine which just has one NIC - set up as a >>> standalone workstation (not a workstation on my K12ltsp server). >>> It is working fine - (internet access) >>> >>> >>> I have reinstalled version 4.1 (too)many times. What am I doing >>> wrong? Why isn't it working? What should I do next? How can I >>> troubleshoot this? >>> >>> >> It is entirely possible that your interfaces are switched as others >> have discussed on this list. >> Try swapping your cables between eth0 and eth1 and see if that >> makes a difference. > > Thank you! Swapping cables fixed my internet access problem, but I > still can't boot up a workstation. > > > > I am trying to boot the workstation with a floppy. I have Realtek 8139 > network cards. > > > > I made the boot image with the 'cat' command but the workstation says > "Searching for server (DHCP)........" and that's as far as it gets. > > > > During a previous attempt it saw the server, but hung anyway. > > > > Is there something that I am missing? How can I (should I) boot with > pxe ? (specifically). I am by no means a Linux expert, but I can > follow a trail of breadcrumbs. > > > > Thanks again, > > > > Ken Johnson > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > Well I also had a night mare with two on-board nics so I disabled one and set-up the box as a single server. I was able to get past dhcp but I am continuously presented with a "doing pivot_root" message on the client which has a rtl8139 nic booting using pxe. I have googled for days and re-installed 3 times. I am at my wits end , k12ltsp 3.x ran a hell of a lot easier. something else I noticed is that once being installed if you run the ltspadmin it will tell you that the services are running fine but that your files are not configured , if you let it configure your files you end up with almost duplicate entries , especially in /etc/exports , one line exports /opt/ltsp/i386 and another exports /opt/ltsp are we supposed to use the ltspadmin utility or simply edit from the files ? any body with any ideas about the pivot_root problem , I would love to hear them. Regards Dean From dyioulos at firstbhph.com Thu Sep 9 22:20:01 2004 From: dyioulos at firstbhph.com (Dimitri Yioulos) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 18:20:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] samba-winbind-ads setup Message-ID: <200409092214.i89MEcRO023046@localhost.localdomain> Hello to all. Despite many reads, and lots of tweaks, I have yet to get the samba-winbind-ads configuration to work. The closest I got was that wbinfo -u and -g, and getent passwd returned the correct values. Only problem is, my users and I couldn't access the shares. We were prompted for usernames and passwords, and despite every combination we tried, access was always denied. Can anyone point me to a configuration how-to that he/she knows works. Many thanks. Diggy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jobrien at meridian.wednet.edu Thu Sep 9 22:37:16 2004 From: jobrien at meridian.wednet.edu (Joe O'Brien) Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 15:37:16 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] samba-winbind-ads setup In-Reply-To: <200409092214.i89MEcRO023046@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20040909153716.011d5458@mail.meridian.wednet.edu> <<<< Despite many reads, and lots of tweaks, I have yet to get the samba-winbind-ads configuration to work. The closest I got was that wbinfo u and g, and getent passwd returned the correct values. Only problem is, my users and I couldnt access the shares. We were prompted for usernames and passwords, and despite every combination we tried, access was always denied. >>>> You may try reseting their ADS password, that has worked for similar problem we had. I read it somewhere in all the samba-winbind-ads docs, but don't remember where now. Joe O'Brien Meridian School District From nbs at sonic.net Thu Sep 9 22:54:14 2004 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 15:54:14 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] [Local] Sept.20 Linux Users Group of Davis, Calif.: K12LTSP school Linux thin clients Message-ID: <20040909225414.GA2068@sonic.net> The Linux Users' Group of Davis (LUGOD), will be holding a meeting on: Monday September 20, 2004 6:30pm - 9:00pm The meeting will be held at our regular location: Davis Public Library 315 East 14th Street Davis, CA 95616 The topic will be: K12LTSP - Linux Terminal Server Project presented by: Steve Hargadon, Hargadon Computer, Inc. The Linux Terminal Server Project is an add-on package for Linux that allows numerous low-powered 'thin client' terminals to connect to a Linux server. Applications then run on the server, while accepting input and displaying output on the thin clients. An office or computer lab can be constructed using one powerful server, and many inexpensive thin clients -- old PCs, for example. Configuration and upgrades are then centralized at the server, rather than distributed to numerous expensive desktops. K12LTSP, a popular solution for schools with limited budgets, is a distribution of Linux based on RedHat Fedora and the LTSP packages. Steve Hargadon recently completed an installation of K12LTSP at a charter school in Hawaii, and is currently working with the Canadian government to install thin client labs in 2,000 schools in Kenya, Africa. For details on this meeting, visit: http://www.lugod.org/meeting/ For maps, directions, public transportation schedules, etc., visit: http://www.lugod.org/meeting/library/ About LUGOD: LUGOD is a 501(c)7 non-profit organization dedicated to the Linux computer operating system and Open Source software, and which holds meetings twice a month in Davis, CA. Meetings are always free and open to the public. Please visit our website for details: http://www.lugod.org/ -bill! pr at lugod.org http://www.lugod.org/ From tkaldahl at maplewoodacademy.org Thu Sep 9 23:02:14 2004 From: tkaldahl at maplewoodacademy.org (Tim Kaldahl) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 18:02:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] MailScanner Black list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000101c496c1$0cab8b80$8b01a8c0@maplewood.mwa> This is a dumb question, but did you restart the mailscanner service? I had a problem with an IPCop box where my badlist wasn't effective until I rebooted the machine. Tim Kaldahl Maplewood Academy I.T. Coordinator -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Rick O'Dell Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 5:18 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: [K12OSN] MailScanner Black list Hi Folks, I need some help with a black list that doesn't work. I created a file called "blacklist.rules" at "/opt/MailScanner/etc/rules/blacklist.rules", as per example. Rules are "From: xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx yes". The problem is, It just doesn't work, doesn't block the ip. Any Ideas????? Sorry, this Is a k12ltsp 4.01 box, with Postfix and MailScanner... Rick O'Dell Net Work Administrator Bakersfield R4 School Dst. Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.262 / Virus Database: 264.8.4 - Release Date: 9/9/2004 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From sudev at mantraonline.com Thu Sep 9 23:16:58 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 04:46:58 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.1 Install Woes In-Reply-To: <200499174631.119671@KJ-Desktop> References: <200499174631.119671@KJ-Desktop> Message-ID: <1094771818.3097.22.camel@roop.ltsp> On Fri, 2004-09-10 at 03:16, Ken Johnson wrote: > Thank you! Swapping cables fixed my internet access problem, but I > still can't boot up a workstation. Try giving command as root: service dhcpd status If dhcpd is running then look at what nobert said. If not then give command: service dhcpd start HTH -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From luis.montes at cox.net Thu Sep 9 23:24:27 2004 From: luis.montes at cox.net (luis.montes at cox.net) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 19:24:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: New Educational Application Message-ID: <20040909232427.OEOU11703.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Hi guys, Sorry this is a little off topic, but I'd like to get feedback on a new educational app I wrote. Nothing that hasn't been done before, I just did it my way this time :) The application is called JTurtle and is available at http://members.cox.net/luis.montes It is basically a programming tutor application written in java, similar to the old Turtle Graphics application. You give commands to the little turtle on the screen and have him draw pretty pictures. Some notable features: -Uses BeanShell scripting which allows for procedural programming or full on Object Oriented Java. -Has the ability to stop running scripts.(useful to kill infinite loops in scripts) -Images can be saved as PNG files -Syntax hilighting via jedit's JEditPane component(Java, BeanShell, & JTurtle API) -JTurtle Javadoc viewable from interface. -GPL license I've tested this on windows & linux (K12ltsp) with jdk 1.4.2 and 1.5 beta Any feedback is greatly appreciated. Thanks, Luis From rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us Thu Sep 9 23:57:48 2004 From: rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us (Rick O'Dell) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 18:57:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] MailScanner Black list In-Reply-To: <000101c496c1$0cab8b80$8b01a8c0@maplewood.mwa> Message-ID: Well, that's a good question. I have restarted MailScanner several times but I don't know that I've restarted the Server. Ill try that... Thanks... Rick. Rick O'Dell Net Work Administrator Bakersfield R4 School Dst. Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Tim Kaldahl Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 6:02 PM To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] MailScanner Black list This is a dumb question, but did you restart the mailscanner service? I had a problem with an IPCop box where my badlist wasn't effective until I rebooted the machine. Tim Kaldahl Maplewood Academy I.T. Coordinator -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Rick O'Dell Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 5:18 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: [K12OSN] MailScanner Black list Hi Folks, I need some help with a black list that doesn't work. I created a file called "blacklist.rules" at "/opt/MailScanner/etc/rules/blacklist.rules", as per example. Rules are "From: xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx yes". The problem is, It just doesn't work, doesn't block the ip. Any Ideas????? Sorry, this Is a k12ltsp 4.01 box, with Postfix and MailScanner... Rick O'Dell Net Work Administrator Bakersfield R4 School Dst. Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.262 / Virus Database: 264.8.4 - Release Date: 9/9/2004 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.262 / Virus Database: 264.8.4 - Release Date: 9/9/2004 -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.262 / Virus Database: 264.8.4 - Release Date: 9/9/2004 From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Sep 9 23:30:03 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 23:30:03 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] samba-winbind-ads setup Message-ID: <200409092336.i89Na0U15630@downeast.net> can i send you config files???oe did I?you are tryimg to auth win 200 server?? chuck > <<<< > Despite many reads, and lots of tweaks, I have yet to get the > samba-winbind-ads configuration to work. > The closest I got was that wbinfo u and g, and getent passwd returned > the correct values. Only problem is, my users and I couldnt access the > shares. We were prompted for usernames and passwords, and despite every > combination we tried, access was always denied. > >>>> > > > > You may try reseting their ADS password, that has worked for similar > problem we had. I read it somewhere in all the samba-winbind-ads docs, but > don't remember where now. > > > Joe O'Brien > Meridian School District > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us Fri Sep 10 01:24:54 2004 From: rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us (Rick O'Dell) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 20:24:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] MailScanner Blacklist Message-ID: Well, restarting the Server didn't fix it. Any other Ideas???? Rick O'Dell Net Work Administrator Bakersfield R4 School Dst. Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.262 / Virus Database: 264.8.4 - Release Date: 9/9/2004 From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Sep 10 03:25:42 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 23:25:42 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP references in Spanish In-Reply-To: <4140AEA4.9020004@netscape.net> References: <4140AEA4.9020004@netscape.net> Message-ID: <41411EB6.30106@cmosnetworks.com> norbert wrote: > Hi, > > We're looking at setting up schools in a Spanish community with > K12ltsp systems, but they would like both documentation and referrals > of other like Spanish installations. They don't want to be the first !! > > Any assistance in this would be greatly appreciated. > > thks > norbert > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > I don't know of any K12LTSP documentation in Spanish, but I do recall reading on NewsForge a month or two ago about someone who did X11 thin clients in Central America using, I believe, LTSP. He was down in Nicaragua and used SuSE Linux, since 1.) he was most familiar with that distro, and 2.) his employer wanted to use SuSE. If you think it'll help, I'll see if I can dig up that article. Is this a Spanish (i. e. in Spain) community or is it here in the Americas? Just curious. --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Win freedom from all but 1 of 4000 spams with Mozilla Thunderbird. Download it now. From bear2bar at netscape.net Fri Sep 10 04:24:04 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 00:24:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP references in Spanish In-Reply-To: <41411EB6.30106@cmosnetworks.com> References: <4140AEA4.9020004@netscape.net> <41411EB6.30106@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <41412C64.3050707@netscape.net> Hi Terrell, Yes the info would be very useful & it is here in the Americas. Although I can't give out too many details a large refurbishing computer company has been providing systems to communities in need but the license cost of M$ has become excessive & they need an alternative. I proposed using Linux but they know very little about it hence the request for reference installs & Spanish deployments. Mi habla une poco espagnole .... but not enough to write up something ;-) thanks norbert microman at cmosnetworks.com wrote: > norbert wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> We're looking at setting up schools in a Spanish community with >> K12ltsp systems, but they would like both documentation and referrals >> of other like Spanish installations. They don't want to be the first !! >> >> Any assistance in this would be greatly appreciated. >> >> thks >> norbert >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > I don't know of any K12LTSP documentation in Spanish, but I do recall > reading on NewsForge a month or two ago about someone who did X11 thin > clients in Central America using, I believe, LTSP. He was down in > Nicaragua and used SuSE Linux, since 1.) he was most familiar with > that distro, and 2.) his employer wanted to use SuSE. If you think > it'll help, I'll see if I can dig up that article. > > Is this a Spanish (i. e. in Spain) community or is it here in the > Americas? Just curious. > > --TP > _____________________ > Do you GNU!? > Win freedom from all but 1 of 4000 spams with Mozilla Thunderbird. > Download it now. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From bimalp at indoasian.com Fri Sep 10 05:23:14 2004 From: bimalp at indoasian.com (bimal pandit) Date: 10 Sep 2004 10:53:14 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] recovery and scroll mouse... In-Reply-To: <17D0876C-0297-11D9-8AC0-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> References: <1094219174.23865.2.camel@server.ltsp> <7985443B-FE7C-11D8-B1BA-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> <1094724812.16438.11.camel@server.ltsp> <17D0876C-0297-11D9-8AC0-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> Message-ID: <1094793794.4009.22.camel@server.ltsp> Dear Sir well that i got from the document " LTSP - Linux Terminal Server Project - v3.0" , Chapter 10. Configuration examples which mentioned 10.2PS/2 Wheel Mouse -------------------- X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "IMPS/2" X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/psaux" X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 5 X_ZAxisMapping = "4 5" X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION = 400 So i tried these, as far as making it in capitals(X_ZAxisMapping to X_ZAXISMAPPING), will give it a try and also i tried X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 3 but am still... anyway, hope to get some more ideas/suggestions. regards, bimal On Fri, 2004-09-10 at 01:03, Burke Almquist wrote: > --BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-- > Hash: SHA1 > > Does the ZAxisMapping have to be all in uppercase now? > > On Sep 9, 2004, at 5:13 AM, bimal pandit wrote: > > > Dear Sir, > > > > well i have only on file in which i do settings i.e. > > > > /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf > > > > so i made entries in it for per workstations till now i tested the > > following but ... > > > > [ws009] > > XSERVER = vesa > > LOCAL_APPS = N > > USE_NFS_SWAP = N > > SWAPFILE_SIZE = 48m > > RUNLEVEL = 5 > > X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "IMPS/2" > > X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/psaux" > > X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 3 > > X_ZAxisMapping = "4 5" > > > > hope to get further inputs/idea's > > > > regards, > > > > bimal > --BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) > > iEYEARECAAYFAkFAr/oACgkQfqZR3ThMfXSmLACffTOdrndtssCxMjSxfXkBiuRw > eCoAoIUP9Q+lukMXpZdB5RPgr9p6T4+0 > =8UM5 > --END PGP SIGNATURE-- > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From pfaffman at gmail.com Thu Sep 9 03:06:20 2004 From: pfaffman at gmail.com (Jay Pfaffman) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 23:06:20 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Anyone have a copy of my VNCReflector how-to? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <93260980040908200676edd596@mail.gmail.com> I think it's too late, but you might have checked google's cache. I use rsync to back my machine up to a second machine every hour. Hard drives are cheap (and so are machines capable of being a backup-box). Your data isn't. On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 01:07:56 -0400, David Trask wrote: > My web server crashed and with it some important stuff. I'm unable to > locate my VNCReflector how-to that I developed last fall to integrate VNC > into TeacherTool....does anyone have a copy...if so can you send me one? > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- Jay Pfaffman Asst Professor of Instructional Technology, U. TN, Knoxville Experimenting with gmail, please honor the Reply-To From vcarecrc at vsnl.com Fri Sep 10 07:54:14 2004 From: vcarecrc at vsnl.com (vcare) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 13:24:14 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Rdesktop exit with following error please help Message-ID: <41415DA6.3000508@vsnl.com> I am facing problem, where my rdesktop abbruptly ends giving following error xset: bad font path element (#37), possible causes are: Directory does not exist or has wrong permissions Directory missing fonts.dir Please help i am having a hard time , detecting this cause , Jim i think u can guide me on this Regards K.dinesh From sjsj at freespace.net Fri Sep 10 08:13:00 2004 From: sjsj at freespace.net (Steve James) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 09:13:00 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP references in Spanish In-Reply-To: <4140AEA4.9020004@netscape.net> References: <4140AEA4.9020004@netscape.net> Message-ID: <4141620C.1000208@freespace.net> Hi These links might be of help http://casestudy.seul.org/cgi-bin/caseview1.pl?recnum=7 http://www.mail-archive.com/life at mm.hbcse.tifr.res.in/msg00128.html http://www.ssc.com:8080/glue/groups/nonus/mexico Do you need documentation translated? If so which, the K12ltsp web site? Regards Steve norbert wrote: > Hi, > > We're looking at setting up schools in a Spanish community with K12ltsp > systems, but they would like both documentation and referrals of other > like Spanish installations. They don't want to be the first !! > > Any assistance in this would be greatly appreciated. > > thks > norbert > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From pmarques at med.up.pt Fri Sep 10 09:45:50 2004 From: pmarques at med.up.pt (Pedro Marques) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 11:45:50 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] K12ltsp custom kernel HELP!!! In-Reply-To: <4141620C.1000208@freespace.net> References: <4140AEA4.9020004@netscape.net> <4141620C.1000208@freespace.net> Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.1.20040910113756.019f9a08@mail.med.up.pt> Hi Does anyone can give me a hint on how to use K12ltsp with openmosix. I tried to use an openmosix kernel compiled with the options provided by k12ltsp config file. Then i used buildk to produce the kernel image and copied it to /tftpboot/lts and changed dhcp.conf accordingly. The client boots until he gives the following message: Partition check: hda:end_request: I/O error , dev 03:00 (hda), sector 0 end_request: I/O error , dev 03:00 (hda), sector 0 end_request: I/O error , dev 03:00 (hda), sector 2 end_request: I/O error , dev 03:00 (hda), sector 4 end_request: I/O error , dev 03:00 (hda), sector 6 end_request: I/O error , dev 03:00 (hda), sector 0 end_request: I/O error , dev 03:00 (hda), sector 2 end_request: I/O error , dev 03:00 (hda), sector 4 end_request: I/O error , dev 03:00 (hda), sector 6 unable to read partition table .... some more messages Kernel panic : VFS : Unable to mount root fs on 00:00 Pedro Marques From pmarques at med.up.pt Fri Sep 10 09:51:18 2004 From: pmarques at med.up.pt (Pedro Marques) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 11:51:18 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] custom kernel help In-Reply-To: <4141620C.1000208@freespace.net> References: <4140AEA4.9020004@netscape.net> <4141620C.1000208@freespace.net> Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.1.20040910114950.019fa540@mail.med.up.pt> Hi Can anyone give a hint on which kernel source version should i use and what is necessary on kernel configuration so that it can be used by a thin client. thanks Pedro From sjsj at freespace.net Fri Sep 10 10:21:22 2004 From: sjsj at freespace.net (Steve James) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 11:21:22 +0100 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_=5BK12OSN=5D_K12LTSP_references_in_?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Spanish_=28M=E1s=29?= In-Reply-To: <4140AEA4.9020004@netscape.net> References: <4140AEA4.9020004@netscape.net> Message-ID: <41418022.5070207@freespace.net> Oh yeah The Autonomous region of Spain - Extremadura has been using Linux for some time, you might have heard of LinEx their regional governments own distribution based on Debian, although this is not ltsp related there is some documentation, manual and how-tos on their site http://www.linex.org/ Linux manual http://www.linex.org/linex2/manuallinex.pdf Courses http://www.linex.org/linex2/curso_linex/index.html FAQS http://www.linex.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=FAQ&file=index Tips http://www.linex.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=listarticles&secid=2 Wiki http://swiki.agro.uba.ar/small_land/193 All those links (enlaces) are availble from the home page - on the right hand side then scroll down. Some info in English about LinEx is availible here http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,51994,00.html About in English http://www.linex.org/linex2/linex/ingles/index_ing.html This might be a great Spanish language Linux resource. Regards Steve norbert wrote: > Hi, > > We're looking at setting up schools in a Spanish community with K12ltsp > systems, but they would like both documentation and referrals of other > like Spanish installations. They don't want to be the first !! > > Any assistance in this would be greatly appreciated. > > thks > norbert > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From dyioulos at firstbhph.com Fri Sep 10 11:36:28 2004 From: dyioulos at firstbhph.com (Dimitri Yioulos) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 07:36:28 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] samba-winbind-ads setup In-Reply-To: <200409092336.i89Na0U15630@downeast.net> Message-ID: <200409101131.i8ABV2Ox026009@localhost.localdomain> Chuck, You most certainly may send me the config files (greatly appreciated!). I'm trying to auth to a win2k3 (ugh) server. It's been a major pita. The box I'm trying to connect is K12LTSP 4.1. I have a few other fc3 boxes that are connected via samba, but I created user accounts on all of them for authentication. As I add more users, this becomes a chore. I really have no experience with LDAP or Kerberos. I hope you're not disgusted with me :-). Diggy -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of cliebow at downeast.net Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 6:30 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] samba-winbind-ads setup can i send you config files???oe did I?you are tryimg to auth win 200 server?? chuck > <<<< > Despite many reads, and lots of tweaks, I have yet to get the > samba-winbind-ads configuration to work. > The closest I got was that wbinfo u and g, and getent passwd returned > the correct values. Only problem is, my users and I couldnt access the > shares. We were prompted for usernames and passwords, and despite every > combination we tried, access was always denied. > >>>> > > > > You may try reseting their ADS password, that has worked for similar > problem we had. I read it somewhere in all the samba-winbind-ads docs, but > don't remember where now. > > > Joe O'Brien > Meridian School District > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From fhkms at adelphia.net Fri Sep 10 13:40:40 2004 From: fhkms at adelphia.net (Will Hatch) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 9:40:40 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] upgrading to 4.1.0 Message-ID: <20040910134040.WDCC404.mta11.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> I'm wondering if upgrading from 4.0.1 to 4.1.0 is as easy as inserting the cds into my server and selecting the "upgrade" option. Or, do I have to start over again with a clean install? For some reason when I recently caught up on all the updates for 4.0.1, the applets for my clock and some other cool stuff on the Gnome taskbar were corrupted. I'm thinking that upgrading to 4.1.0 might solve this problem. I switched the students to KDE, which is fine, but I prefer Gnome. Thanks all! From petre at maltzen.net Fri Sep 10 14:07:23 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 09:07:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: New Educational Application In-Reply-To: <20040909232427.OEOU11703.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> References: <20040909232427.OEOU11703.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Message-ID: <4141B51B.1090202@maltzen.net> Luis- I get a " You don't have permission to access /luis.montes/ on this server." when I try to access your page. Petre luis.montes at cox.net wrote: >Hi guys, > >Sorry this is a little off topic, but I'd like to get feedback on a new educational app I wrote. >Nothing that hasn't been done before, I just did it my way this time :) > >The application is called JTurtle and is available at http://members.cox.net/luis.montes > >It is basically a programming tutor application written in java, similar to the old Turtle Graphics application. > >You give commands to the little turtle on the screen and have him draw pretty pictures. > >Some notable features: > >-Uses BeanShell scripting which allows for procedural programming or full on Object Oriented Java. >-Has the ability to stop running scripts.(useful to kill infinite loops in scripts) >-Images can be saved as PNG files >-Syntax hilighting via jedit's JEditPane component(Java, BeanShell, & JTurtle API) >-JTurtle Javadoc viewable from interface. >-GPL license > > >I've tested this on windows & linux (K12ltsp) with jdk 1.4.2 and 1.5 beta > > >Any feedback is greatly appreciated. > >Thanks, >Luis > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From luis.montes at cox.net Fri Sep 10 14:56:28 2004 From: luis.montes at cox.net (Luis Montes) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 07:56:28 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: New Educational Application In-Reply-To: <4141B51B.1090202@maltzen.net> References: <20040909232427.OEOU11703.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> <4141B51B.1090202@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <4141C09C.3010207@cox.net> sorry about that, I was just updating the page. should be up now. Luis Petre Scheie wrote: > Luis- > I get a " You don't have permission to access /luis.montes/ on this > server." when I try to access your page. > > Petre > > luis.montes at cox.net wrote: > >> Hi guys, >> >> Sorry this is a little off topic, but I'd like to get feedback on a >> new educational app I wrote. >> Nothing that hasn't been done before, I just did it my way this time :) >> >> The application is called JTurtle and is available at >> http://members.cox.net/luis.montes >> >> It is basically a programming tutor application written in java, >> similar to the old Turtle Graphics application. >> >> You give commands to the little turtle on the screen and have him >> draw pretty pictures. >> >> Some notable features: >> >> -Uses BeanShell scripting which allows for procedural programming or >> full on Object Oriented Java. >> -Has the ability to stop running scripts.(useful to kill infinite >> loops in scripts) >> -Images can be saved as PNG files >> -Syntax hilighting via jedit's JEditPane component(Java, BeanShell, & >> JTurtle API) >> -JTurtle Javadoc viewable from interface. >> -GPL license >> >> >> I've tested this on windows & linux (K12ltsp) with jdk 1.4.2 and 1.5 >> beta >> >> >> Any feedback is greatly appreciated. >> >> Thanks, >> Luis >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Sep 10 14:42:42 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 09:42:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] MailScanner Blacklist In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001a01c49744$6dbbc8d0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > Well, restarting the Server didn't fix it. Any other Ideas???? Okay here is what you would need to do assuming the answer to my last email was yes. Now depending on how your postfix is setup you may not have a separate instance for incoming and outgoing, in that case change any place I have "/etc/postfix.in" to "/etc/postfix" and things should work. I will just outline the steps quick, first modify your main.cf to use a client access table (you can google client_access to get a list of commands and explanations, I will show you how to prevent a user from connecting). Then create the file client_access and enter your IP's each on a new line followed by a tab and then the action to take. Next issue the postmap command on the file, and last restart MailScanner. # vi /etc/postfix.in/main.cf smtpd_recipient_restrictions = check_client_access hash:/etc/postfix.in/client_access # vi /etc/postfix.in/client_access 204.248.118.23 DISCARD 206.230.105.4 DISCARD # postmap /etc/postfix.in/client_access # /etc/init.d/MailScanner restart Let me know if you have any other questions. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.744 / Virus Database: 496 - Release Date: 8/24/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Sep 10 14:54:17 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 09:54:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] MailScanner Blacklist In-Reply-To: <001a01c49744$6dbbc8d0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <001c01c49746$0bbe6af0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> [SNIP] > # vi /etc/postfix.in/client_access > 204.248.118.23 DISCARD > 206.230.105.4 DISCARD A quick note here, I chose DISCARD over REJECT as it was the most unobtrusive from what I gathered. DISCARD just dropped the connection without any further processes taking place, REJECT if I recall allow the connection and then could follow a rejection procedure. This bugged me because I was still receiving virus notifications even though the email wasn't allow to pass through. With DISCARD I never even know an attempt was made. Here is a link to the breakdown of what you can do with the access table and a description of each action. http://www.postfix.org/access.5.html --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.744 / Virus Database: 496 - Release Date: 8/24/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Fri Sep 10 15:34:13 2004 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 11:34:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] samba-winbind-ads setup In-Reply-To: <20040910143225.9E92D73131@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040910143225.9E92D73131@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1094830453.20773.66.camel@phoenix> Sounds like a PAM problem. if you run system-config-authentication, and configure winbind support for both User information as well as Authentication. Also, try "getent password" or "getent group"... you should see the AD users... just like you were looking at /etc/password (unless you don't have enumeration set). I personally am using AD directory via LDAP & Kerberos... I had to do some hacking on /etc/pam.d/ to get it to work though. Not fully operational yet for all users (still "tweaking" my k12ltsp server). Secretly, I am looking to dump AD next summer and move to pure LDAP... my 2 win2k servers are cranky and steadily running out of space on C: (what's up with that!!!!) -- Henry Burroughs Technology Director Hilton Head Preparatory School www.hhprep.org hburroughs at hhprep.org From steve at hargadon.com Fri Sep 10 15:41:18 2004 From: steve at hargadon.com (steve at hargadon.com) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 11:41:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Presentation and Contact List Message-ID: <258150-220049510154118470@M2W045.mail2web.com> Next week I am giving a presentation on K12LTSP to the Non-Commercial Refurbishers Summit in Chicago. (http://pcsforschools.org/ncrs/standards.html) What started originally as a 15 minute slot has now been expanded to 90 minutes, and they have asked me to set up a working lab as well. Attending will be non-profit computer refurbishers from all over the country (and some international as well). As a part of my presentation, I'd like to present a list of schools and businesses who are running LTSP--both to show some of the scope of implementation, and also to serve as a resource. If you would be comfortable being listed, would you please send me a note with your contact information? Last month I helped a charter school in Hawaii install K12LTSP, and I am working with the Candian government to set up 2,000 LTSP labs in Kenya, Africa (which should be about 40,000 workstations). For the last 16 years my company has refurbished computer equipment, and schools and school districts have been some of our most consistent customers. I have three demonstrations of K12LTSP scheduled this month, and I am interested in providing K12LTSP installation and consulting as a part of our services. I would also welcome any help, advice, or contact related to this as well. I really appreciate all who have worked to create such a great use for used computers, and I have found this list to be an enormously helpful resource. Thank you, Steve Hargadon Hargadon Computer 916-652-8600, ext. 711 steve at hargadon.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From dyioulos at firstbhph.com Fri Sep 10 15:41:23 2004 From: dyioulos at firstbhph.com (Dimitri Yioulos) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 11:41:23 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] samba-winbind-ads setup In-Reply-To: <1094830453.20773.66.camel@phoenix> Message-ID: <200409101536.i8AFZuLR026987@localhost.localdomain> -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Henry Burroughs Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 10:34 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: RE: [K12OSN] samba-winbind-ads setup Sounds like a PAM problem. if you run system-config-authentication, and configure winbind support for both User information as well as Authentication. Also, try "getent password" or "getent group"... you should see the AD users... just like you were looking at /etc/password (unless you don't have enumeration set). I personally am using AD directory via LDAP & Kerberos... I had to do some hacking on /etc/pam.d/ to get it to work though. Not fully operational yet for all users (still "tweaking" my k12ltsp server). Secretly, I am looking to dump AD next summer and move to pure LDAP... my 2 win2k servers are cranky and steadily running out of space on C: (what's up with that!!!!) -- Henry Burroughs Technology Director Hilton Head Preparatory School www.hhprep.org hburroughs at hhprep.org _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see Henry, Wish I could dump the two win2x servers I have, but accounting app and voice mail depend on them (until the program vendors port to Linux!). Sorry to be such a noob, but " if you run system-config-authentication, and configure winbind support for both User information as well as Authentication" - how? I ran getent password and getent group, and I did get the correct responses. Many thanks. Diggy From smoogen at lanl.gov Fri Sep 10 15:47:32 2004 From: smoogen at lanl.gov (Stephen J Smoogen) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 09:47:32 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Presentation and Contact List In-Reply-To: <258150-220049510154118470@M2W045.mail2web.com> References: <258150-220049510154118470@M2W045.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <4141CC94.7050506@lanl.gov> steve at hargadon.com wrote: > Next week I am giving a presentation on K12LTSP to the Non-Commercial > Refurbishers Summit in Chicago. > (http://pcsforschools.org/ncrs/standards.html) What started originally as > a 15 minute slot has now been expanded to 90 minutes, and they have asked > me to set up a working lab as well. Attending will be non-profit computer > refurbishers from all over the country (and some international as well). > > As a part of my presentation, I'd like to present a list of schools and > businesses who are running LTSP--both to show some of the scope of > implementation, and also to serve as a resource. If you would be > comfortable being listed, would you please send me a note with your contact > information? > > Last month I helped a charter school in Hawaii install K12LTSP, and I am > working with the Candian government to set up 2,000 LTSP labs in Kenya, > Africa (which should be about 40,000 workstations). For the last 16 years > my company has refurbished computer equipment, and schools and school > districts have been some of our most consistent customers. I have three > demonstrations of K12LTSP scheduled this month, and I am interested in > providing K12LTSP installation and consulting as a part of our services. I > would also welcome any help, advice, or contact related to this as well. > > I really appreciate all who have worked to create such a great use for used > computers, and I have found this list to be an enormously helpful resource. > I think this list would be useful in other ways. I have a bunch of schools in this state that would really benefit from this, but they need to know that it is being used elsewhere and have contacts to talk to before believing a wild eyed scientist. I would also like to get a good list of refurbishers.. I have a long list of non-profits with small pockets and they would like to get a good list of people to buy from. -- Stephen John Smoogen | CCN-5 Security Team LANL SIRT Team Leader | SMTP: smoogen at lanl.gov Los Alamos National Laboratory | Voice: 505.664.0645 Ta-03 SM-1498 MS: B255 DP 10S | FAX: 505.665.7793 Los Alamos, NM 87545 | From steve at hargadon.com Fri Sep 10 16:03:23 2004 From: steve at hargadon.com (steve at hargadon.com) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 12:03:23 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Presentation and Contact List Message-ID: <258730-22004951016323667@M2W074.mail2web.com> My company sells refurbished Dell Optiplex computers, which work well with LTSP, and we have large quantities of identical machines. We're still working on a price point for selling them with a bootable nic as LTSP workstations--any feedback? I've also thought about creating pre-installed LTSP packages for small organizations--where we install LTSP on a server, and send it preconfigured with user logons, workstations, a switch, and cabling so someone would plug it in and be going right away. We have all the hardware to do it, it would just be a matter of marketing. Is there anyone else to whom this would be appealing? Hope the commercial direction of this post is OK. Steve Original Message: ----------------- From: Stephen J Smoogen smoogen at lanl.gov Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 09:47:32 -0600 To: steve at hargadon.com, k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Presentation and Contact List steve at hargadon.com wrote: > Next week I am giving a presentation on K12LTSP to the Non-Commercial > Refurbishers Summit in Chicago. > (http://pcsforschools.org/ncrs/standards.html) What started originally as > a 15 minute slot has now been expanded to 90 minutes, and they have asked > me to set up a working lab as well. Attending will be non-profit computer > refurbishers from all over the country (and some international as well). > > As a part of my presentation, I'd like to present a list of schools and > businesses who are running LTSP--both to show some of the scope of > implementation, and also to serve as a resource. If you would be > comfortable being listed, would you please send me a note with your contact > information? > > Last month I helped a charter school in Hawaii install K12LTSP, and I am > working with the Candian government to set up 2,000 LTSP labs in Kenya, > Africa (which should be about 40,000 workstations). For the last 16 years > my company has refurbished computer equipment, and schools and school > districts have been some of our most consistent customers. I have three > demonstrations of K12LTSP scheduled this month, and I am interested in > providing K12LTSP installation and consulting as a part of our services. I > would also welcome any help, advice, or contact related to this as well. > > I really appreciate all who have worked to create such a great use for used > computers, and I have found this list to be an enormously helpful resource. > I think this list would be useful in other ways. I have a bunch of schools in this state that would really benefit from this, but they need to know that it is being used elsewhere and have contacts to talk to before believing a wild eyed scientist. I would also like to get a good list of refurbishers.. I have a long list of non-profits with small pockets and they would like to get a good list of people to buy from. -- Stephen John Smoogen | CCN-5 Security Team LANL SIRT Team Leader | SMTP: smoogen at lanl.gov Los Alamos National Laboratory | Voice: 505.664.0645 Ta-03 SM-1498 MS: B255 DP 10S | FAX: 505.665.7793 Los Alamos, NM 87545 | -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From linuxsys at davisny.edu Fri Sep 10 16:02:08 2004 From: linuxsys at davisny.edu (Calvin Park) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 12:02:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Presentation and Contact List In-Reply-To: <258150-220049510154118470@M2W045.mail2web.com> References: <258150-220049510154118470@M2W045.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <1094832128.16911.6.camel@localhost> Steve, I'd be more than happy to give my contact info to you (or anyone else who is doing something to promote LTSP). I work at Davis College, an undergrad institution in upstate NY and we just started using K12LTSP this semester. It's been a huge help...plus saved us several thousand dollars over continuing to run a Windows lab. My contact information follows: Practical Bible College Attn: Computer Services P.O. Box 601 Bible School Park, NY 13737 Phone: 1.607.729.1581 ext. 404 email: linuxsys at davisny.edu Have a great day. -Calvin On Fri, 2004-09-10 at 11:41, steve at hargadon.com wrote: > Next week I am giving a presentation on K12LTSP to the Non-Commercial > Refurbishers Summit in Chicago. > (http://pcsforschools.org/ncrs/standards.html) What started originally as > a 15 minute slot has now been expanded to 90 minutes, and they have asked > me to set up a working lab as well. Attending will be non-profit computer > refurbishers from all over the country (and some international as well). > > As a part of my presentation, I'd like to present a list of schools and > businesses who are running LTSP--both to show some of the scope of > implementation, and also to serve as a resource. If you would be > comfortable being listed, would you please send me a note with your contact > information? > > Last month I helped a charter school in Hawaii install K12LTSP, and I am > working with the Candian government to set up 2,000 LTSP labs in Kenya, > Africa (which should be about 40,000 workstations). For the last 16 years > my company has refurbished computer equipment, and schools and school > districts have been some of our most consistent customers. I have three > demonstrations of K12LTSP scheduled this month, and I am interested in > providing K12LTSP installation and consulting as a part of our services. I > would also welcome any help, advice, or contact related to this as well. > > I really appreciate all who have worked to create such a great use for used > computers, and I have found this list to be an enormously helpful resource. > > Thank you, > > Steve Hargadon > Hargadon Computer > 916-652-8600, ext. 711 > steve at hargadon.com > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Fri Sep 10 17:23:58 2004 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 13:23:58 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] samba-winbind-ads setup In-Reply-To: <20040910160025.9120472E84@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040910160025.9120472E84@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1094837038.20773.92.camel@phoenix> Diggy, First, make a backup copy of your /etc/pam.d directory and /etc/samba directories... (ie: "cp -pR /etc/pam.d /root/pam.d; cp -pR /etc/samba /root/samba") Now, there is a gui program called "system-config-authentication"... that is from fedora core 2 (k12ltsp 4.1)... if you are running 4.0.1, then try "redhat-config-authentication" which you can run from a graphical terminal on the server. You should only have to check "Use winbind" on the 2 tabs that are present. Don't worry... I've only learned alot of this from trial and error... we can get you through this on the list. If you still are having problems, we can put your files back and use some of my configuration files from my /etc/pam.d/ > From: Dimitri Yioulos > To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] samba-winbind-ads setup > Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 11:41:23 -0400 > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of Henry Burroughs > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 10:34 AM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] samba-winbind-ads setup > > Sounds like a PAM problem. if you run system-config-authentication, > and configure winbind support for both User information as well as > Authentication. Also, try "getent password" or "getent group"... you > should see the AD users... just like you were looking at /etc/password > (unless you don't have enumeration set). > > I personally am using AD directory via LDAP & Kerberos... I had to do > some hacking on /etc/pam.d/ to get it to work though. Not fully > operational yet for all users (still "tweaking" my k12ltsp server). > > Secretly, I am looking to dump AD next summer and move to pure LDAP... > my 2 win2k servers are cranky and steadily running out of space on C: > (what's up with that!!!!) > > > -- > Henry Burroughs > Technology Director > Hilton Head Preparatory School > www.hhprep.org > hburroughs at hhprep.org > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > Henry, > > Wish I could dump the two win2x servers I have, but accounting app and voice > mail depend on them (until the program vendors port to Linux!). > > Sorry to be such a noob, but " if you run system-config-authentication, > and configure winbind support for both User information as well as > Authentication" - how? > > I ran getent password and getent group, and I did get the correct responses. > > Many thanks. > > Diggy > > -- Henry Burroughs Technology Director Hilton Head Preparatory School www.hhprep.org hburroughs at hhprep.org From ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us Fri Sep 10 18:41:42 2004 From: ringalls at glenwood.k12.mo.us (Richard K. Ingalls) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 13:41:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Presentation and Contact List In-Reply-To: <258150-220049510154118470@M2W045.mail2web.com> References: <258150-220049510154118470@M2W045.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <4141F566.5060307@glenwood.k12.mo.us> Sure Steve: My name is Richard Ingalls and I'm the Technology Director at my rural school district in Missouri. I have implemented two K12LTSP servers in two different classrooms and I'm preparing to deploy a third server to cover two more classrooms. I have ONLY used older, refurbished PCs for the diskless workstations (but of course, new servers). Sometimes I buy the refurbs, sometimes I build one out of parts I have here. I have presented on this topic at two state-level technology conferences. The Missouri State Teachers Association did a magazine article about the linux labs at my school. The local NBC affiliate did a story about it too. Now we have schools and people calling to donate their old PCs (which is allowing me to put in two more labs!). This is amazing! I love K12LTSP! I'd love to help you in any way that I can. My contact info is in the signature at the bottom of the email. steve at hargadon.com wrote: > Next week I am giving a presentation on K12LTSP to the Non-Commercial > Refurbishers Summit in Chicago. > (http://pcsforschools.org/ncrs/standards.html) What started originally as > a 15 minute slot has now been expanded to 90 minutes, and they have asked > me to set up a working lab as well. Attending will be non-profit computer > refurbishers from all over the country (and some international as well). > > As a part of my presentation, I'd like to present a list of schools and > businesses who are running LTSP--both to show some of the scope of > implementation, and also to serve as a resource. If you would be > comfortable being listed, would you please send me a note with your contact > information? > > Last month I helped a charter school in Hawaii install K12LTSP, and I am > working with the Candian government to set up 2,000 LTSP labs in Kenya, > Africa (which should be about 40,000 workstations). For the last 16 years > my company has refurbished computer equipment, and schools and school > districts have been some of our most consistent customers. I have three > demonstrations of K12LTSP scheduled this month, and I am interested in > providing K12LTSP installation and consulting as a part of our services. I > would also welcome any help, advice, or contact related to this as well. > > I really appreciate all who have worked to create such a great use for used > computers, and I have found this list to be an enormously helpful resource. > > Thank you, > > Steve Hargadon > Hargadon Computer > 916-652-8600, ext. 711 > steve at hargadon.com > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- =========================================================== "He is no fool who gives up what he cannot keep for that which he cannot lose." -- Jim Elliott RICHARD K. INGALLS Director of Information Technology Glenwood R-8 School District West Plains, MO email..ringalls (at) glenwood.k12.mo.us web....http://glenwood.k12.mo.us ph.....417.256.4849 fax....417.257.2567 "Miracles are a retelling in small letters of the very same story which is written across the whole world in letters too large for some of us to see." -- C. S. Lewis =========================================================== From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Sep 10 18:41:07 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 14:41:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] CPU usage way up! What to do? Message-ID: Hi all, My performance at this point is acceptable, but not as fast as last year.....trying to find out why. I'm using K12LTSP 4.1 (FC2) on a server with dual Xeon 2.x ghz CPU's and 4 gb. RAM...etc....etc. Using gkrellm with the CPU usage set to show "composite"....my CPU usage stays at 90% and higher when students are using the machines. Granted if no one is doing anything the CPU usage is in the single digits, but once they start using FireFox....OO...or anything else for the most part....the graph goes WAY up and stays there. Using "top" doesn't seem to point out any particular hogs, but then again I'm not great at reading "top". Network bandwidth seems OK....I think it's CPU time that's killing me. When I show "real CPU's" then four of them show up....I'm assuming that's normal for a dual processor machine. I'd be curious to see how the 4.1 version with fc2 stacks up against the new WBEL version Eric posted. Unfortunately I'll need to "mondo" my server so I can go back to it if need be. In the meantime....got any suggestions for me to try? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Sep 10 14:16:52 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 09:16:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] MailScanner Black list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001901c49740$d17f79b0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > Hi Folks, I need some help with a black list that > doesn't work. I created a file called "blacklist.rules" at > "/opt/MailScanner/etc/rules/blacklist.rules", as per example. > Rules are > "From: xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx yes". The problem is, It just > doesn't work, > doesn't block the ip. Any Ideas????? > Sorry, this Is a k12ltsp 4.01 box, with Postfix and > MailScanner... Help me verify quick what it is you are looking for. I gather that you want to do is setup a text list of IP's and specify whether to allow them or deny them access to the server. If this is the case I think I can help you. I have such a list set up on our server for denying access to IP's that try to hack us, or are infected with a virus. I have a lot going on right now though so it may take me a day or two to document the process and get it to you. But no fear, there is hope. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.744 / Virus Database: 496 - Release Date: 8/24/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From lsrpm at mts.net Fri Sep 10 19:15:26 2004 From: lsrpm at mts.net (Liam Marshall) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 14:15:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] bottleneck question In-Reply-To: <1094703249.15642.13.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <1094669648.19487.6.camel@server.ltsp> <1094672892.23639.25.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <413FACF2.8050800@mts.net> <1094696958.15193.7.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <413FC41D.5000107@mts.net> <1094703249.15642.13.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <4141FD4E.1070505@mts.net> >You will also see the cpu use and idle time. If your swap >partition is on an efficient scsi disk you might see the >cpu have a fairly high idle percentage while the system >waits for disk access. With an IDE system you might see >high cpu use along with swap activity. If you see high >cpu use (low idle percentage) and little swapping, it >won't help much to add RAM. > > > just ran vmstat 5 again. am sitting at 0's for si so bi and bo says 198 cpu id says 0 Can you tell waht the likely problem is there? Please help! Much appreciated >--- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From les at futuresource.com Fri Sep 10 19:26:21 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 14:26:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] CPU usage way up! What to do? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1094844381.32233.19.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-09-10 at 13:41, David Trask wrote: > When I > show "real CPU's" then four of them show up....I'm assuming that's normal > for a dual processor machine. Hyperthreaded CPU's show up as 2 processors. They can run some but not all code in parallel. > I'd be curious to see how the 4.1 version > with fc2 stacks up against the new WBEL version Eric posted. I'd be surprised if the kernel version makes much difference at all in CPU use. Try a 'vmstat 5' to get 5 second snapshots of cpu use. The 'us' (user) column will be mostly from application level processing, while the 'sy' (system) column is kernel (inside device drivers, filesystem code, etc.). Top should show you any single process using a lot of CPU. It is harder to find when 30 copies of something are each using a chunk, and even harder when the processes have a very short life. You can get a feeling for how many processes are starting by typeing 'ps', noting the process id of the ps process itself, then repeating in a few seconds. If the number jumps by hundreds each time you have something odd happening. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Fri Sep 10 19:45:46 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 14:45:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] bottleneck question In-Reply-To: <4141FD4E.1070505@mts.net> References: <1094669648.19487.6.camel@server.ltsp> <1094672892.23639.25.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <413FACF2.8050800@mts.net> <1094696958.15193.7.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <413FC41D.5000107@mts.net> <1094703249.15642.13.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <4141FD4E.1070505@mts.net> Message-ID: <1094845546.32233.33.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-09-10 at 14:15, Liam Marshall wrote: > just ran vmstat 5 again. am sitting at 0's for si so bi and bo says > 198 cpu id says 0 Can you tell waht the likely problem is there? That shows that at that moment, the CPU was the bottleneck (0% idle). That's not a huge amount of disk activity either so adding RAM won't help much even to increase the disk buffering. 'top' will show single processes using a lot of CPU. 'ps ax >file' will capture a snapshot of all currently running processes along with their total CPU time. If you review the file you may find things that don't need to be running at all. A faster server or splitting some of the users or apps off to a different server may be the only real answer. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Fri Sep 10 19:51:41 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 15:51:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Presentation and Contact List In-Reply-To: <258730-22004951016323667@M2W074.mail2web.com> References: <258730-22004951016323667@M2W074.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <414205CD.3060002@cfl.rr.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: networkr0.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 295 bytes Desc: not available URL: From cliebow at downeast.net Fri Sep 10 20:19:32 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 20:19:32 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] samba-winbind-ads setup Message-ID: <200409102025.i8AKPMH12602@downeast.net> not at all..be back in a bit..> Chuck, > > You most certainly may send me the config files (greatly appreciated!). I'm > trying to auth to a win2k3 (ugh) server. It's been a major pita. The box > I'm trying to connect is K12LTSP 4.1. I have a few other fc3 boxes that are > connected via samba, but I created user accounts on all of them for > authentication. As I add more users, this becomes a chore. I really have > no experience with LDAP or Kerberos. I hope you're not disgusted with me > :-). > > Diggy > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of cliebow at downeast.net > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 6:30 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] samba-winbind-ads setup > > can i send you config files???oe did I?you are tryimg to auth win 200 > server?? > chuck > > <<<< > > Despite many reads, and lots of tweaks, I have yet to get the > > samba-winbind-ads configuration to work. > > The closest I got was that wbinfo u and g, and getent passwd returned > > the correct values. Only problem is, my users and I couldnt access the > > shares. We were prompted for usernames and passwords, and despite every > > combination we tried, access was always denied. > > >>>> > > > > > > > > You may try reseting their ADS password, that has worked for similar > > problem we had. I read it somewhere in all the samba-winbind-ads docs, > but > > don't remember where now. > > > > > > Joe O'Brien > > Meridian School District > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From rfreidel at computergeex.com Fri Sep 10 21:19:49 2004 From: rfreidel at computergeex.com (Ron Freidel) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 21:19:49 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Presentation and Contact List Message-ID: <20040910.mAf.07660600@192.168.10.16> There is an existing company doing this already I believe in France, though they are using Mandrake. that is if I remember the article correctly, I'd like to see something similar happening here in the US, It wouldn't be very difficult to adapt the LTSP to work in a corporate environment. I envision Slackware/LTSP/Phpgroupware on a server, with thin clients connecting. Many of the possible customers in my part of the country already have older computers to be used as thin clients all they would need is the server. That is basically what I did for two Elementary schools, the forest service donated a bunch of pII computers to them, then they went and bought the server and switches, all works very well with K12LTSP. Ron -- Ron Freidel Some or all of my comments should not be taken seriously. http://leroy.homeunix.org From bear2bar at netscape.net Fri Sep 10 21:48:57 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 17:48:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Presentation and Contact List In-Reply-To: <414205CD.3060002@cfl.rr.com> References: <258730-22004951016323667@M2W074.mail2web.com> <414205CD.3060002@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <41422149.3000104@netscape.net> Hi all, First this is NOT a commercial pitch !! OK now to serious stuff, I have set-up a commercial company XTlabs Corp ( www.xtlabs.org), with the specific purpose of deploying thin-client technology in educational and commercial environments. That said, with regrets, school boards in Montreal recognize the advantages of K12LTSP but are reluctant to actually implement it. We have run an extremely successful pilot in one of the larger school boards and have demonstrated unequivocally that this works! The bureaucrats argue that they will have to introduce yet another OS into the boards ( however they are using MAC OSX !!!! and Novell) and they will have to train techs to support this new technology. However if they train the techs, they (techs) will have better marketability & therefore will leave for better jobs. So as to placate the tech fears that their jobs will disappear the boards have elected to spend 3 to 4 times more on M$ systems that they cannot currently support with their existing resources- perfectly logical !! Small & medium businesses are somewhat more open but there is a major education process needed to convince them that this is LEGAL ! "What no license fees ! How can this be legitimate?" If my two cents worth is of any value, there still is a lot of work to do for this to be accepted. Some companies remember previous sales pitches on thin-client technology that did not materialize nor work. I would suggest a centralized repository of both companies promoting thin-client solutions and those using them. XTlabs would gladly donate the web space for such an undertaking. Rally to the OpenSource cause!!! regards norbert networkr0 at cfl.rr.com wrote: > I appreciate the commercial nature of the post. After all, once > businesses see the value in LTSP, the Linux community can benefit > significantly in the long run. I have been trialing several K12LTSP > distro's for over a year now and am beginning to see a compelling > argument to deploy K12LTSP and thin clients in a business > environment. Google city of "Largo LTSP", which should give you a > success story if you haven't already read it. > > steve at hargadon.com wrote: > >>My company sells refurbished Dell Optiplex computers, which work well with >>LTSP, and we have large quantities of identical machines. We're still >>working on a price point for selling them with a bootable nic as LTSP >>workstations--any feedback? >> >>I've also thought about creating pre-installed LTSP packages for small >>organizations--where we install LTSP on a server, and send it preconfigured >>with user logons, workstations, a switch, and cabling so someone would plug >>it in and be going right away. We have all the hardware to do it, it would >>just be a matter of marketing. Is there anyone else to whom this would be >>appealing? >> >>Hope the commercial direction of this post is OK. >> >>Steve >> >>Original Message: >>----------------- >>From: Stephen J Smoogen smoogen at lanl.gov >>Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 09:47:32 -0600 >>To: steve at hargadon.com, k12osn at redhat.com >>Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Presentation and Contact List >> >> >>steve at hargadon.com wrote: >> >> >>>Next week I am giving a presentation on K12LTSP to the Non-Commercial >>>Refurbishers Summit in Chicago. >>>(http://pcsforschools.org/ncrs/standards.html) What started originally as >>>a 15 minute slot has now been expanded to 90 minutes, and they have asked >>>me to set up a working lab as well. Attending will be non-profit computer >>>refurbishers from all over the country (and some international as well). >>> >>>As a part of my presentation, I'd like to present a list of schools and >>>businesses who are running LTSP--both to show some of the scope of >>>implementation, and also to serve as a resource. If you would be >>>comfortable being listed, would you please send me a note with your >>> >>> >>contact >> >> >>>information? >>> >>>Last month I helped a charter school in Hawaii install K12LTSP, and I am >>>working with the Candian government to set up 2,000 LTSP labs in Kenya, >>>Africa (which should be about 40,000 workstations). For the last 16 years >>>my company has refurbished computer equipment, and schools and school >>>districts have been some of our most consistent customers. I have three >>>demonstrations of K12LTSP scheduled this month, and I am interested in >>>providing K12LTSP installation and consulting as a part of our services. >>> >>> >>I >> >> >>>would also welcome any help, advice, or contact related to this as well. >>> >>>I really appreciate all who have worked to create such a great use for >>> >>> >>used >> >> >>>computers, and I have found this list to be an enormously helpful >>> >>> >>resource. >> >> >> >>I think this list would be useful in other ways. I have a bunch of >>schools in this state that would really benefit from this, but they need >>to know that it is being used elsewhere and have contacts to talk to >>before believing a wild eyed scientist. >> >>I would also like to get a good list of refurbishers.. I have a long >>list of non-profits with small pockets and they would like to get a good >>list of people to buy from. >> >> >> >> >> > >-- >Brian Chase Phone: 386-775-5366 >2345 Hillside Ave. Fax: 309-276-2048 >Orange City, FL 32763 Email: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Sat Sep 11 02:59:55 2004 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 19:59:55 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] serial mouse problem and getting desparate Message-ID: <41426A2B.9050001@elp.rr.com> I need to get a serial port track ball working in 4.1 When I installed i got the list of mice to choose from but when I selected the correct drive choice I was not given the port selection choice that was prsent in 4.0.1. Now after installation is complete on a stand alone machine, how do I install the serial track ball? I have a student who can't move her arms but can move her fingers, barely. I did not install the ltsp option when I set this machine up so I don't have an lts.conf file to modify. Where do I need to look? What do I need to modify? How do I modify it? Thanks Pat From accessys at smart.net Sat Sep 11 01:43:08 2004 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 21:43:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] serial mouse problem and getting desparate In-Reply-To: <41426A2B.9050001@elp.rr.com> References: <41426A2B.9050001@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Sep 2004, John P. Conlon wrote: > I need to get a serial port track ball working in 4.1 > When I installed i got the list of mice to choose from but when I > selected the correct drive choice I was not given the port selection > choice that was prsent in 4.0.1. I just checked yes my new trackball is a serial port one, I know my old one was and I remember it had some problems because the settings were backwards or some such. now I'm running Red Hat 9 so not sure how this compares with what your running > Now after installation is complete on a stand alone machine, how do I > install the serial track ball? I have a student who can't move her arms > but can move her fingers, barely. I do adaptive design and am disabled myself so maybe I can help you or her (I also run Dvorak keyboard too, probably be a great help if she has limited arm motion) > I did not install the ltsp option > when I set this machine up so I don't have an lts.conf file to modify. > > Where do I need to look? > What do I need to modify? I modified it in the machine loading and setup, will take some time later tihs evening to check how it is set. > How do I modify it? it was really easy once I figured (along with about 5 folks from the lug)which settings to use. good luck Bob ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Sat Sep 11 01:54:03 2004 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 20:54:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] bottleneck question In-Reply-To: <1094845546.32233.33.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1094669648.19487.6.camel@server.ltsp> <1094672892.23639.25.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <413FACF2.8050800@mts.net> <1094696958.15193.7.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <413FC41D.5000107@mts.net> <1094703249.15642.13.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <4141FD4E.1070505@mts.net> <1094845546.32233.33.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <74E4282D-0395-11D9-A72E-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 How many users is it taking to max it out, and how fast are your Cpu(s)? On Sep 10, 2004, at 2:45 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Fri, 2004-09-10 at 14:15, Liam Marshall wrote: > >> just ran vmstat 5 again. am sitting at 0's for si so bi and bo says >> 198 cpu id says 0 Can you tell waht the likely problem is there? > > That shows that at that moment, the CPU was the bottleneck (0% idle). > That's not a huge amount of disk activity either so adding RAM won't > help much even to increase the disk buffering. 'top' will show > single processes using a lot of CPU. 'ps ax >file' will capture > a snapshot of all currently running processes along with their > total CPU time. If you review the file you may find things that > don't need to be running at all. A faster server or splitting > some of the users or apps off to a different server may be the > only real answer. > > --- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkFCWrsACgkQfqZR3ThMfXT3rQCeKdvZha5pnfJhmr6ZVw5EF/jN hTAAn3RHPdINOmB4UYpkv3AjmdcohizB =TxaD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat Sep 11 04:19:33 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 00:19:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP references in Spanish In-Reply-To: <41412C64.3050707@netscape.net> References: <4140AEA4.9020004@netscape.net> <41411EB6.30106@cmosnetworks.com> <41412C64.3050707@netscape.net> Message-ID: <41427CD5.9000202@cmosnetworks.com> Found it. Here's the link. It's in ingles, but it's well worth reading, and the guy did indeed use LTSP. http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=7699 BTW, that looked like italiano that you were writing below. :-) --TP norbert wrote: > Hi Terrell, > > Yes the info would be very useful & it is here in the Americas. > Although I can't give out too many details a large refurbishing > computer company has been providing systems to communities in need but > the license cost of M$ has become excessive & they need an > alternative. I proposed using Linux but they know very little about it > hence the request for reference installs & Spanish deployments. > > Mi habla une poco espagnole .... but not enough to write up something ;-) > > thanks > norbert > > microman at cmosnetworks.com wrote: > >> norbert wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> We're looking at setting up schools in a Spanish community with >>> K12ltsp systems, but they would like both documentation and >>> referrals of other like Spanish installations. They don't want to be >>> the first !! >>> >>> Any assistance in this would be greatly appreciated. >>> >>> thks >>> norbert >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> >> I don't know of any K12LTSP documentation in Spanish, but I do recall >> reading on NewsForge a month or two ago about someone who did X11 >> thin clients in Central America using, I believe, LTSP. He was down >> in Nicaragua and used SuSE Linux, since 1.) he was most familiar with >> that distro, and 2.) his employer wanted to use SuSE. If you think >> it'll help, I'll see if I can dig up that article. >> >> Is this a Spanish (i. e. in Spain) community or is it here in the >> Americas? Just curious. >> >> --TP > From bimalp at indoasian.com Sat Sep 11 03:59:33 2004 From: bimalp at indoasian.com (bimal pandit) Date: 11 Sep 2004 09:29:33 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] K12ltsp custom kernel HELP!!! In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.1.20040910113756.019f9a08@mail.med.up.pt> References: <4140AEA4.9020004@netscape.net> <4141620C.1000208@freespace.net> <6.1.0.6.1.20040910113756.019f9a08@mail.med.up.pt> Message-ID: <1094875172.4742.0.camel@server.ltsp> this is HDD error!! not of kernel!! On Fri, 2004-09-10 at 15:15, Pedro Marques wrote: > Hi > > Does anyone can give me a hint on how to use K12ltsp with openmosix. > I tried to use an openmosix kernel compiled with the options provided by > k12ltsp config file. > Then i used buildk to produce the kernel image and copied it to > /tftpboot/lts and changed dhcp.conf accordingly. > The client boots until he gives the following message: > > Partition check: > > hda:end_request: I/O error , dev 03:00 (hda), sector 0 > end_request: I/O error , dev 03:00 (hda), sector 0 > end_request: I/O error , dev 03:00 (hda), sector 2 > end_request: I/O error , > dev 03:00 (hda), sector 4 > end_request: I/O error , dev 03:00 (hda), sector > 6 > end_request: I/O error , dev 03:00 (hda), sector 0 > end_request: I/O error > , dev 03:00 (hda), sector 2 > end_request: I/O error , dev 03:00 (hda), > sector 4 > end_request: I/O error , dev 03:00 (hda), sector 6 > > unable to read partition table > > .... some more messages > > Kernel panic : VFS : Unable to mount root fs on 00:00 > > > > Pedro Marques > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From bear2bar at netscape.net Sat Sep 11 12:39:51 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 08:39:51 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP references in Spanish In-Reply-To: <41427CD5.9000202@cmosnetworks.com> References: <4140AEA4.9020004@netscape.net> <41411EB6.30106@cmosnetworks.com> <41412C64.3050707@netscape.net> <41427CD5.9000202@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <4142F217.7010607@netscape.net> Hi, Thanks, BTW I did say I only know a little bit .... ;-) .... and without the accents it can be confusing but it is spanish :-D norbert microman at cmosnetworks.com wrote: > Found it. Here's the link. It's in ingles, but it's well worth > reading, and the guy did indeed use LTSP. > > http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=7699 > > BTW, that looked like italiano that you were writing below. :-) > > --TP > > norbert wrote: > >> Hi Terrell, >> >> Yes the info would be very useful & it is here in the Americas. >> Although I can't give out too many details a large refurbishing >> computer company has been providing systems to communities in need >> but the license cost of M$ has become excessive & they need an >> alternative. I proposed using Linux but they know very little about >> it hence the request for reference installs & Spanish deployments. >> >> Mi habla une poco espagnole .... but not enough to write up something >> ;-) >> >> thanks >> norbert >> >> microman at cmosnetworks.com wrote: >> >>> norbert wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> We're looking at setting up schools in a Spanish community with >>>> K12ltsp systems, but they would like both documentation and >>>> referrals of other like Spanish installations. They don't want to >>>> be the first !! >>>> >>>> Any assistance in this would be greatly appreciated. >>>> >>>> thks >>>> norbert >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> For more info see >>>> >>> >>> I don't know of any K12LTSP documentation in Spanish, but I do >>> recall reading on NewsForge a month or two ago about someone who did >>> X11 thin clients in Central America using, I believe, LTSP. He was >>> down in Nicaragua and used SuSE Linux, since 1.) he was most >>> familiar with that distro, and 2.) his employer wanted to use SuSE. >>> If you think it'll help, I'll see if I can dig up that article. >>> >>> Is this a Spanish (i. e. in Spain) community or is it here in the >>> Americas? Just curious. >>> >>> --TP >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat Sep 11 19:05:05 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 15:05:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] serial mouse problem and getting desparate In-Reply-To: <41426A2B.9050001@elp.rr.com> References: <41426A2B.9050001@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <41434C61.3060306@cmosnetworks.com> John P. Conlon wrote: > I need to get a serial port track ball working in 4.1 > When I installed i got the list of mice to choose from but when I > selected the correct drive choice I was not given the port selection > choice that was prsent in 4.0.1. > > Now after installation is complete on a stand alone machine, how do I > install the serial track ball? I have a student who can't move her > arms but can move her fingers, barely. I did not install the ltsp > option when I set this machine up so I don't have an lts.conf file to > modify. > > Where do I need to look? > What do I need to modify? > How do I modify it? > > Thanks > Pat Hello Pat, Whenever I run into mouse issues, my first target for investigation is /etc/X11/XF86Config, or, if you're running X.org, /etc/X11/xorg.conf. Go to the "InputDevice" section and check out what it says. On my box, it says the following: ********BEGIN SNIPPET********* Section "InputDevice" # Identifier and driver Identifier "Mouse1" Driver "mouse" Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2" Option "Device" "/dev/mouse" *********END SNIPPET********* The "Protocol" option is what might need tweaking here. Make sure that it says "Auto" in your case. Also make sure that /dev/mouse is linked to the correct serial port (will usually be /dev/ttyS0 or /dev/ttyS1, depending on which serial port you're using). Now, if autodetection of the mouse protocol doesn't work, then we've got to set it manually. I've got an older Logitech mouse that came with the PS/2-to-Serial adaptor, and that's how I used it for years. When in serial mode, I treated it exactly like a serial Microsoft Mouse, and so the Protocol option should read "Microsoft". The other way to accomplish all of this is to, as root, simply run xf86config, which will make a new /etc/X11/XF86Config file for you. You'll need to know your video board, though, in addition to what kind of mouse you've got. When I'm feeling not-so-techy, I'll do it this way. For those of you using X.org, the command is xorgconfig. HTH, --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Win freedom from all but 1 of 4000 spams with Mozilla Thunderbird. Download it now. From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat Sep 11 19:14:41 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 15:14:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] custom kernel help In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.1.20040910114950.019fa540@mail.med.up.pt> References: <4140AEA4.9020004@netscape.net> <4141620C.1000208@freespace.net> <6.1.0.6.1.20040910114950.019fa540@mail.med.up.pt> Message-ID: <41434EA1.6040601@cmosnetworks.com> Pedro Marques wrote: > Hi > > Can anyone give a hint on which kernel source version should i use and > what is necessary on kernel configuration so that it can be used by a > thin client. > > thanks > > Pedro > Sure, Pedro. What really matters is the kernel rev running on your server. Remember that the clients netboot a special LTSP-ifyed kernel, and they don't ever run the server's kernel. For example, my clients netboot kernel rev 2.4.19 (at work they netboot 2.4.18), but, in both cases (K12LTSP 3.1.2 and 2.1.2, respectively), the server itself is running kernel rev 2.4.26. You do not need to update the kernel that the thin clients use to netboot, i. e. the one in /tftpboot. If you're feeling especially techy, though, it's a good way to learn how to build LTSP-ifyed kernels and certainly worth the self-eductation that will result. If I were you, depending on which version of RHL or Fedora you're running, I'd do the following: For any version of Red Hat Linux since v7.1, or for Fedora Core 1, I'd go with the latest "official Linus Torvalds" v2.4 kernel from www.kernel.org if you can. For FC2, which is based on Linux 2.6, I'd go w/ the latest v2.6 kernel. Others may well tell you to just use yum to do so; it depends on what you're more comfortable with. --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Win freedom from all but 1 of 4000 spams with Mozilla Thunderbird. Download it now. From accessys at smart.net Sat Sep 11 19:19:07 2004 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 15:19:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] serial mouse problem and getting desparate In-Reply-To: References: <41426A2B.9050001@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Sep 2004, Access Systems wrote: > On Fri, 10 Sep 2004, John P. Conlon wrote: > > > I need to get a serial port track ball working in 4.1 > > When I installed i got the list of mice to choose from but when I > > selected the correct drive choice I was not given the port selection > > choice that was prsent in 4.0.1. > > I just checked yes my new trackball is a serial port one, I know my old > one was and I remember it had some problems because the settings were > backwards or some such. > > now I'm running Red Hat 9 so not sure how this compares with what your > running ok checked, it is set as a two button PS/2 mouse. I know it is 3 button and is serial port but that is how I got it running not sure why it works but that is the only setting it will work on Good luck Bob > > > Now after installation is complete on a stand alone machine, how do I > > install the serial track ball? I have a student who can't move her arms > > but can move her fingers, barely. > > I do adaptive design and am disabled myself so maybe I can help you or her > (I also run Dvorak keyboard too, probably be a great help if she has > limited arm motion) > > > I did not install the ltsp option > > when I set this machine up so I don't have an lts.conf file to modify. > > > > Where do I need to look? > > What do I need to modify? > > I modified it in the machine loading and setup, will take some time later > tihs evening to check how it is set. > > > How do I modify it? > > it was really easy once I figured (along with about 5 folks from the > lug)which settings to use. > > good luck > Bob > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary > safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob > NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net > NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers > NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right > *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# > THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be > privileged. 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They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From kjohnson at optonline.net Sat Sep 11 19:25:02 2004 From: kjohnson at optonline.net (Ken Johnson) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 15:25:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.1 Install Woes -Still Message-ID: <200491115252.076700@KJ-Desktop> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tlegge at rogers.com Sat Sep 11 19:40:36 2004 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 15:40:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.1 Install Woes -Still In-Reply-To: <200491115252.076700@KJ-Desktop> Message-ID: <20040911194036.50572.qmail@web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > The last few lines on the screen are: > ..Me: 192.168.0.249 Server: 192.168.0.14, Gateway 192.168.0.254 > Loading 192.168.0.14:/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp ....... You are getting a dhcp address so your connectivity looks fine. Try stopping your firewall (service iptables stop). Also, verify that the tftp server is running (see troubleshooting on www.ltsp.org). Tim From les at futuresource.com Sat Sep 11 19:55:25 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 14:55:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.1 Install Woes -Still In-Reply-To: <200491115252.076700@KJ-Desktop> References: <200491115252.076700@KJ-Desktop> Message-ID: <1094932525.23707.7.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2004-09-11 at 14:25, Ken Johnson wrote: > > ..Me: 192.168.0.249 Server: 192.168.0.14, Gateway 192.168.0.254 > > Loading 192.168.0.14:/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp ....... > > > > It hangs there. What can I try before going back to 3.1? (I would > really like to use 4.1 because it has a newer version of Scribus. Is tftp running on the server and configured correctly? Quick test - from the server itself or another box on the 'inside' net: cd /tmp tftp 192.168.0.14 get /lts/vmlinuz.ltsp If the tftp server is running you should receive the file (which you can delete, this was just to check that the transfer worked). If that works but the client still doesn't, make sure you don't have firewall rules blocking port 69 udp/tcp. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From lsrpm at mts.net Sat Sep 11 20:23:08 2004 From: lsrpm at mts.net (Liam Marshall) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 15:23:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] bottleneck question Message-ID: <20040911202309.BVZW1470.mx-mtaout01.mts.net@mx-mtaout> > > From: Burke Almquist > Date: 2004/09/10 Fri PM 08:54:03 CDT > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] bottleneck question > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > How many users is it taking to max it out, and how fast are your Cpu(s)? > > 20-25 definetely maxes it out, and I actually only have 1 3.06 hyperthreading cpu. If I change just the memory, Les says I most likely won't see a big increase. From what little I know, he is probably right. Memory is easy to change, cpu will require new motherboard. If I change motherboard, 1 of the nics used for ltsp will change,(1 of the ones now is an onboard nic) If I change motherboard and cpu, then put in my controllers and hard drives, will Fedora Core and ltsp find the hardware changes and reconfigure things. Seems to me like the 2 nics and the nating they do might become confused. How would I fix that? or is LTSP smart enough to reconfigure itself to utilize the two new nics it discovers on boot-up? Help Help again From phealy at dsta.net Sun Sep 12 04:23:43 2004 From: phealy at dsta.net (Patrick Healy) Date: 11 Sep 2004 21:23:43 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Scribus Request Message-ID: <1094963023.28962.4.camel@orion> Scribus came out with a major release (1.2) at the end of last month. I tried their rpm, but it didn't work on my k12ltsp 4.01 system. Eric, any chance of including the new release?? Many Thanks. -- Pat Healy Palm Desert High School From prentice at instruction.com Sun Sep 12 04:26:09 2004 From: prentice at instruction.com (Dave Prentice) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 23:26:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] trouble with Compaq deskpro 5200mmx Message-ID: <01c49880$a0e1b980$6500000a@Dave.HOME> Hello all, I have been working for months on my classroom network. It took weeks to figure out how make the server work, then each client has given me fits. I only have 2 working properly so far (each one took at least 6 hours to make work), and hope to get a third working. I hate spending so much time on each machine! The one I'm trying to make work is a Compaq Deskpro 400, model 5200mmx. It connects to the server and boots up to a login screen OK, but it's the wrong screeen resolution. It does not have onboard video but instead uses a PCI card. The BIOS defaults to 640 x 480, and even though I have the server's config file (ltsp.conf, if I remember right) set to default to 800x600, this one still comes up as 640 x 480. I tried a different video card, a Trident with 1meg of memory but it still comes up as 640 x 480. I loaded the Compaq configuration program onto a hard drive but can't find a way to force it to change resolution. Has anybody had a similar problem? How do I fix it? The advantage of LTSP is supposed to be that it works on old hardware. How come people keep telling me I have to buy new video cards with more RAM? That's defeating the purpose. Thanks, Dave Prentice prentice at instruction.com From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Sep 12 05:12:08 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 22:12:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Scribus Request In-Reply-To: <1094963023.28962.4.camel@orion> Message-ID: On 11 Sep 2004, Patrick Healy wrote: >Scribus came out with a major release (1.2) at the end of last month. >I tried their rpm, but it didn't work on my k12ltsp 4.01 system. >Eric, any chance of including the new release?? >Many Thanks. I recently did a build for K12LTSP 4.1.0, it might work on 4.0.1: ftp://eharrison.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/ If that doesn't do the trick, let me know. It might take me a little while however, my devel machine at home died yesterday. -Eric From jam at mcquil.com Sun Sep 12 07:52:19 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 03:52:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] trouble with Compaq deskpro 5200mmx In-Reply-To: <01c49880$a0e1b980$6500000a@Dave.HOME> References: <01c49880$a0e1b980$6500000a@Dave.HOME> Message-ID: On Sat, 11 Sep 2004, Dave Prentice wrote: > Hello all, > I have been working for months on my classroom network. It took weeks > to figure out how make the server work, then each client has given me > fits. I only have 2 working properly so far (each one took at least 6 > hours to make work), and hope to get a third working. I hate spending > so much time on each machine! > > The one I'm trying to make work is a Compaq Deskpro 400, model > 5200mmx. It connects to the server and boots up to a login screen OK, > but it's the wrong screeen resolution. > It does not have onboard video but instead uses a PCI card. The > BIOS defaults to 640 x 480, and even though I have the server's config > file (ltsp.conf, if I remember right) set to default to 800x600, this > one still comes up as 640 x 480. I tried a different video card, a > Trident with 1meg of memory but it still comes up as 640 x 480. I > loaded the Compaq configuration program onto a hard drive but can't > find a way to force it to change resolution. Has anybody had a similar > problem? How do I fix it? > > The advantage of LTSP is supposed to be that it works on old > hardware. How come people keep telling me I have to buy new video > cards with more RAM? That's defeating the purpose. People want help, but they don't want to give us all the details Sorry, I couldn't resist :) but seriously, you say you are setting 800x600 in lts.conf. Could you show us your lts.conf file, so we can see how you are setting it ? Also, in your comments above, you say 'ltsp.conf', but do you really mean 'lts.conf' ? /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf is the file you should be editing, and the entry you should be adding is: X_MODE_0 = 800x600. Also, are you setting that entry in the specific section for the workstation ? Are you using a workstation name for the section, or are you using an IP addr or MAC addr? For example, which one does it look like: [ws001] [192.168.0.1] [00:0C:01:02:03:04] if you are using the first (hostname), are you sure your workstation knows it's own hostname ? If you are using a range of dynamic IP addresses, then the workstation won't know it's hostname, so you can't do it that way. Best bet in that case is MAC address, because it never changes. Again, send us your lts.conf file, so we can see how you are setting it. And, rather than spend weeks trying to figure something out, how about you pop into the #ltsp IRC channel on irc.freenode.net, where someone should be able to work interactivly with you to solve the problems. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org From trondrm at online.no Sun Sep 12 12:52:41 2004 From: trondrm at online.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Trond_M=E6hlum?=) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 14:52:41 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Login from Windows using pGina In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200409121252.i8CCqdZ1014699@mail42.nsc.no> I want to make it possible to login on a Windows box using the Linux username and password. I have a rather complex setup. I have a central fileserver for 5 schools, approx 2000 users. Each of the schools have their dedicated LTSP server, also central. Each school connects to their LTSP server using vlan technology. The central fileserver is also my LDAP server, so the five LTSP servers use LDAP for login. The fileserver is also prepared to allow samba logins on the domain. The problem is that the vlan networks out on the schools don't see the fileserver. They can only connect to the thin-client-nic on the LTSP servers. So, obviously Samba does not work. I have seen something about pGina, but I have not tried it. My question is this; Can pGina be used in my case? Can a Windows PC use one of the LTSP servers as login-server, which in turn authenticates through ldap on the central server? Or can Samba be set up on one of the LTSP servers to allow logins through the centrally placed LDAP server, if so, how? My system is like this: Fileserver(LDAP)-10.0.2.0-LTSPservers-10.255.253.0-CISCO-10.100.10.0, 10.100.11.0 (vlans) Hope this makes sense... It's difficult to explain. But can someone give me some help or maybe some pointers on this? Regards Trond M?hlum From bear2bar at netscape.net Sun Sep 12 14:59:50 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 10:59:50 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] 4.1 with smp Message-ID: <41446466.6070900@netscape.net> Hi, Has there been a change in 4.1 that no longer displays the # of cpu in top ? For some reason when I select the 4.1smp version of the kernel top only shows one cpu ...... and I know both are working.. thks norbert From kjohnson at optonline.net Sun Sep 12 15:25:18 2004 From: kjohnson at optonline.net (Ken Johnson) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 11:25:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.1 Install Woes -Still In-Reply-To: <1094932525.23707.7.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <2004912112518.241482@KJ-Desktop> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les at futuresource.com Sun Sep 12 16:17:45 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 11:17:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.1 Install Woes -Still In-Reply-To: <2004912112518.241482@KJ-Desktop> References: <2004912112518.241482@KJ-Desktop> Message-ID: <1095005865.3349.22.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2004-09-12 at 10:25, Ken Johnson wrote: > I tried typing those commands in a terminal window (on the server as > root) and the response was - > > bash: tftp: command not found > I'm still a newbie - what does this mean? This just means that the tftp client is not installed. You don't normally need the client program on the server - I just thought it would be a good test to see if the tftp server was working properly (which it probably isn't or the clients would boot). If it doesn't work you still have to find and fix whatever is broken. You can pick up the client with 'yum install tftp' but all it will do is help you test the server. > It appears that tftp is not working - if it is not how can I verify > that and what can I do to fix it. (I'm really starting to sweat now, > as I need to have this working by tomorrow afternoon) Let's back up a little. If you are trying to use all the default settings your server's inside IP address should be 192.168.0.254. I didn't mention that before because I thought you might have some special setup. If you are just trying to make the defaults work, maybe you should set eth0's IP addess to 192.168.0.254 and run: /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/K12Linux-LTSP-initialize to set all the default configuration up before hunting for things that might have been missed. If you don't have anything working to the point where you have made custom changes you can always reinstall from scratch too. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Sun Sep 12 16:19:35 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 11:19:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] 4.1 with smp In-Reply-To: <41446466.6070900@netscape.net> References: <41446466.6070900@netscape.net> Message-ID: <1095005975.3349.25.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2004-09-12 at 09:59, norbert wrote: > Hi, > > Has there been a change in 4.1 that no longer displays the # of cpu in > top ? For some reason when I select the 4.1smp version of the kernel > top only shows one cpu ...... and I know both are working.. Yes, that is the default now. If you want the CPU's shown separately, hit '1' to toggle the view. Top has a lot of similar options - 'q' will list them. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us Sun Sep 12 20:40:23 2004 From: rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us (Rick O'Dell) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 15:40:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] MailScanner Black list In-Reply-To: <001901c49740$d17f79b0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: Yes, this is exactly what I'm trying to do. I have auto-whitelist enabled, this lets me put in ips that are never spam, but the blacklist (always spam) I cannot get to work. Maybe Its a permission thing, I don't know.... I desperately need some help!!! Thanks, Rick. Rick O'Dell Net Work Administrator Bakersfield R4 School Dst. Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Jim Kronebusch Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:17 AM To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] MailScanner Black list > Hi Folks, I need some help with a black list that > doesn't work. I created a file called "blacklist.rules" at > "/opt/MailScanner/etc/rules/blacklist.rules", as per example. > Rules are > "From: xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx yes". The problem is, It just > doesn't work, > doesn't block the ip. Any Ideas????? > Sorry, this Is a k12ltsp 4.01 box, with Postfix and > MailScanner... Help me verify quick what it is you are looking for. I gather that you want to do is setup a text list of IP's and specify whether to allow them or deny them access to the server. If this is the case I think I can help you. I have such a list set up on our server for denying access to IP's that try to hack us, or are infected with a virus. I have a lot going on right now though so it may take me a day or two to document the process and get it to you. But no fear, there is hope. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.744 / Virus Database: 496 - Release Date: 8/24/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.262 / Virus Database: 264.8.5 - Release Date: 9/10/2004 -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.262 / Virus Database: 264.8.5 - Release Date: 9/10/2004 From jim at winonacotter.org Sun Sep 12 20:34:37 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 15:34:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] MailScanner Black list In-Reply-To: References: <001901c49740$d17f79b0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20040912203357.M61956@winonacotter.org> > Yes, this is exactly what I'm trying to do. I have auto-whitelist > enabled, this lets me put in ips that are never spam, but the > blacklist (always spam) I cannot get to work. Maybe Its a permission > thing, I don't know.... I desperately need some help!!! Thanks, Rick. Let me know if you didn't get the other message I sent with how to do this. If not I'll resend it on Monday. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From bear2bar at netscape.net Sun Sep 12 21:15:55 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 17:15:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] 4.1 with smp In-Reply-To: <1095005975.3349.25.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <41446466.6070900@netscape.net> <1095005975.3349.25.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <4144BC8B.2090203@netscape.net> Hi Les, Thanks ... norbert les at futuresource.com wrote: >On Sun, 2004-09-12 at 09:59, norbert wrote: > > >>Hi, >> >>Has there been a change in 4.1 that no longer displays the # of cpu in >>top ? For some reason when I select the 4.1smp version of the kernel >>top only shows one cpu ...... and I know both are working.. >> >> > >Yes, that is the default now. If you want the CPU's shown >separately, hit '1' to toggle the view. Top has a lot of >similar options - 'q' will list them. > >--- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jritchie at bible.edu Sun Sep 12 21:38:56 2004 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Josiah Ritchie) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 17:38:56 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Login from Windows using pGina In-Reply-To: <200409121252.i8CCqdZ1014699@mail42.nsc.no> References: <200409121252.i8CCqdZ1014699@mail42.nsc.no> Message-ID: <4144C1F0.4090101@bible.edu> I think I'd probably just replicate my LDAP db to the LTSP servers and use pgina to authenticate from the LDAP servers. You could setup the local LDAP replicas so that no one, but the replicator user, could make changes. This would force all changes on the central server and keep everyone in sync. It would also cut down on traffic across that pipe. I currently have one LDAP server I'm using for replication and a remote site using it as a replica and it's working nicely. JSR/ Trond M?hlum wrote: > I want to make it possible to login on a Windows box using the Linux > username and password. I have a rather complex setup. > > I have a central fileserver for 5 schools, approx 2000 users. Each of > the schools have their dedicated LTSP server, also central. Each school > connects to their LTSP server using vlan technology. The central > fileserver is also my LDAP server, so the five LTSP servers use LDAP for > login. The fileserver is also prepared to allow samba logins on the > domain. > > The problem is that the vlan networks out on the schools don't see the > fileserver. They can only connect to the thin-client-nic on the LTSP > servers. So, obviously Samba does not work. > > I have seen something about pGina, but I have not tried it. My question > is this; Can pGina be used in my case? Can a Windows PC use one of the > LTSP servers as login-server, which in turn authenticates through ldap > on the central server? > > Or can Samba be set up on one of the LTSP servers to allow logins > through the centrally placed LDAP server, if so, how? > > My system is like this: > > Fileserver(LDAP)-10.0.2.0-LTSPservers-10.255.253.0-CISCO-10.100.10.0, > 10.100.11.0 (vlans) > > > Hope this makes sense... It's difficult to explain. But can someone give > me some help or maybe some pointers on this? > > Regards > > Trond M?hlum > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us Sun Sep 12 22:08:56 2004 From: rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us (Rick O'Dell) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 17:08:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] MailScanner Black list In-Reply-To: <20040912203357.M61956@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: Yes I did get them, sorry, I just didn't check all of my mail before I replied.. I will see if I can do this, but It will probably be Monday before I get a chance.. Thanks a lot for the help... Rick O'Dell Net Work Administrator Bakersfield R4 School Dst. Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Jim Kronebusch Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 3:35 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] MailScanner Black list > Yes, this is exactly what I'm trying to do. I have auto-whitelist > enabled, this lets me put in ips that are never spam, but the > blacklist (always spam) I cannot get to work. Maybe Its a permission > thing, I don't know.... I desperately need some help!!! Thanks, Rick. Let me know if you didn't get the other message I sent with how to do this. If not I'll resend it on Monday. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.262 / Virus Database: 264.8.5 - Release Date: 9/10/2004 -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.262 / Virus Database: 264.8.5 - Release Date: 9/10/2004 From lsrpm at mts.net Mon Sep 13 02:19:53 2004 From: lsrpm at mts.net (Liam Marshall) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 21:19:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] bottleneck question In-Reply-To: <20040911202309.BVZW1470.mx-mtaout01.mts.net@mx-mtaout> References: <20040911202309.BVZW1470.mx-mtaout01.mts.net@mx-mtaout> Message-ID: <414503C9.703@mts.net> >If I change motherboard, 1 of the nics used for ltsp will change,(1 of the ones now is an onboard nic) If I change motherboard and cpu, then put in my controllers and hard drives, will Fedora Core and ltsp find the hardware changes and reconfigure things. Seems to me like the 2 nics and the nating they do might become confused. How would I fix that? or is LTSP smart enough to reconfigure itself to utilize the two new nics it discovers on boot-up? > >Help Help again > > > how hard would changing the motherboard and consequently the nics be to the hard drives, already loaded and configured? what I am most concerned about is the nics, already configured and working with the old nics. if I move the hard drives into a new system and boot up, is the kernel smart enough to detect the changes and modify itself? How about the LTSP configuration? Do I have to wipe and reload? I hope not Please advise From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Sep 13 02:28:23 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 22:28:23 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] how to stop icewmbkg and icewmtray from loading...and more CPU issues Message-ID: Ok... I've been testing my server some more....again...it's a dual Xeon 2.x ghz with 4 gb RAM.... By using TeacherTool I'm able to simultaneously launch an app in my lab to a bunch of logged in machines. I set 19 machines logged in with generic accounts like test1, test2...etc. I selected all 19 and ran "oowriter"......took 90 seconds for all 19 of them to load and be ready. Not too bad, but while I was doing that I'd run gkrellm and/or vmstat and found the CPU usage would nearly max out (high 90's percetage-wise) while launching the program. In fact, it was that way when launching almost ANY program. The CPU usage would spike to the 90's and then calm down once the program was loaded. Network usage is fine.... I launched a whole bunch of programs on all 19 of them (one on top of the other...so all were running simultaneously ....aka multi-tasking)....Dia, Abiword, KTouch, OOwriter, Gnumeric, Kword, Gftp, Firefox, Epiphany....and I never even approached going to swap! I had all these programs (at least) open at once on all 19 machines....no memeory issues at all. When running "top" I found "icewmbkg" and "icewmtray" running on all workstations. Although they didn't use much CPU time....I found them for the most part unnecessary....since I killed both of them using killall and I noticed nothing different...except that I got some CPU time back. Although it didn't seem to help my "launch time" CPU usage (still in the mid to high 90's) Given this.... Question 1: How can I keep "icewmbkg" and "icewmtray" from starting (is it in the icewm prefs file?) Question 2: Any thoughts on how to address my CPU usage issue when programs start up? I used to notice that once a program was in "cache" then it started very quickly the second time....I'm not seeing that with this new system....K12LSP 4.1 is there something I can tweak or turn on? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Sep 13 02:48:46 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 22:48:46 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] how to add KDE menu to IceWm Message-ID: In IceWM the Gnome menu is in there by default and allows me to access many of Gnome's items....in the past I've had the KDE menu option as well. I have no idea what the syntax is to add it in the menu config for IceWM...can any one help? What is the line I need to add in the icewm menu config file to get the KDE menu? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From les at futuresource.com Mon Sep 13 04:19:20 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 23:19:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] bottleneck question In-Reply-To: <414503C9.703@mts.net> References: <20040911202309.BVZW1470.mx-mtaout01.mts.net@mx-mtaout> <414503C9.703@mts.net> Message-ID: <1095049160.4584.11.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2004-09-12 at 21:19, Liam Marshall wrote: > how hard would changing the motherboard and consequently the > nics be to the hard drives, already loaded and configured? > what I am most concerned about is the nics, already configured > and working with the old nics. if I move the hard drives into > a new system and boot up, is the kernel smart enough to detect > the changes and modify itself? The worst that will happen with the NICs is that they may be detected in a different order. If both are the same speed you just have to switch the connections. If you have one gig NIC and need to keep it as the uplink to the clients you might have to do some manual tweaking to force it to be eth0. If your drives are IDE you shouldn't have any trouble moving them. If they are scsi, you need to have the same kind of controller or you will have problems making them boot in the new system. It is possible to fix that by booting from CD, adjusting the modules.conf (or modprobe.conf) and rebuilding the initrd but it is probably easier to reinstall, keeping the /home partition and copies of your passwd, etc. files to drop back in afterwords. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From aimssda at cscoms.com Mon Sep 13 08:32:50 2004 From: aimssda at cscoms.com (Edwardson Pedragosa) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 15:32:50 +0700 Subject: [K12OSN] 2 NIC, now not booting In-Reply-To: <20040913021958.0F615733B2@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <000001c4996c$447d3330$0100a8c0@AIMSSERV> Hi, I installed my LTSP server using two NIC. Eth0 is 192.168.0.254 and eth1 is 192.168.0.5 for the internet. Now my problem is I can't get it to boot. Before this, I was using only one NIC connected to 2 24port switch, but it seems that there a lot of traffic so I configured and used 2 NIC to isolate the LTSP clients. But can't get it to boot now. What will I do. I really need this for my lab. Thanks From jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org Mon Sep 13 08:43:50 2004 From: jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org (Jonathan Carter) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 10:43:50 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Cyrix display chip Message-ID: <41455DC6.30303@shuttleworthfoundation.org> Hi K12OSN List We're installing thin clients in schools using K12LTSP 4.0.1 and K12LTSP 4.1. Our new batch of donated thin clients uses the Cyrix 5530 display chip, which doesn't seem to work if I use the "cyrix" driver in the lts.conf file. It works using the "vesa" driver, but graphics is painfully slow. Is there an updated cyrix driver I can download somewhere? Or are there extra kernel parameters that I need to specify somewhere? Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Jonathan From jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org Mon Sep 13 08:49:07 2004 From: jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org (Jonathan Carter) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 10:49:07 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Presentation and Contact List In-Reply-To: <258150-220049510154118470@M2W045.mail2web.com> References: <258150-220049510154118470@M2W045.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <41455F03.5020708@shuttleworthfoundation.org> Hi Steve We have done similar presentations in South Africa. If you need copies, I can email them to you, or upload them, since it's quite large. -Jonathan steve at hargadon.com wrote: >Next week I am giving a presentation on K12LTSP to the Non-Commercial >Refurbishers Summit in Chicago. >(http://pcsforschools.org/ncrs/standards.html) What started originally as >a 15 minute slot has now been expanded to 90 minutes, and they have asked >me to set up a working lab as well. Attending will be non-profit computer >refurbishers from all over the country (and some international as well). > >As a part of my presentation, I'd like to present a list of schools and >businesses who are running LTSP--both to show some of the scope of >implementation, and also to serve as a resource. If you would be >comfortable being listed, would you please send me a note with your contact >information? > >Last month I helped a charter school in Hawaii install K12LTSP, and I am >working with the Candian government to set up 2,000 LTSP labs in Kenya, >Africa (which should be about 40,000 workstations). For the last 16 years >my company has refurbished computer equipment, and schools and school >districts have been some of our most consistent customers. I have three >demonstrations of K12LTSP scheduled this month, and I am interested in >providing K12LTSP installation and consulting as a part of our services. I >would also welcome any help, advice, or contact related to this as well. > >I really appreciate all who have worked to create such a great use for used >computers, and I have found this list to be an enormously helpful resource. > >Thank you, > >Steve Hargadon >Hargadon Computer >916-652-8600, ext. 711 >steve at hargadon.com > From lsrpm at mts.net Mon Sep 13 12:54:48 2004 From: lsrpm at mts.net (Liam Marshall) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 07:54:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] bottleneck question In-Reply-To: <1095049160.4584.11.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <20040911202309.BVZW1470.mx-mtaout01.mts.net@mx-mtaout> <414503C9.703@mts.net> <1095049160.4584.11.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <41459898.705@mts.net> Les Mikesell wrote: >On Sun, 2004-09-12 at 21:19, Liam Marshall wrote: > > >>how hard would changing the motherboard and consequently the >>nics be to the hard drives, already loaded and configured? >>what I am most concerned about is the nics, already configured >>and working with the old nics. if I move the hard drives into >>a new system and boot up, is the kernel smart enough to detect >>the changes and modify itself? >> >> > >The worst that will happen with the NICs is that they may >be detected in a different order. If both are the same speed >you just have to switch the connections. If you have one gig >NIC and need to keep it as the uplink to the clients you might >have to do some manual tweaking to force it to be eth0. If >your drives are IDE you shouldn't have any trouble moving them. >If they are scsi, you need to have the same kind of controller >or you will have problems making them boot in the new system. >It is possible to fix that by booting from CD, adjusting the >modules.conf (or modprobe.conf) and rebuilding the initrd >but it is probably easier to reinstall, keeping the /home >partition and copies of your passwd, etc. files to drop back >in afterwords. > >--- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > > that should be ok then, as far as the nics. As far as the scsi drives, I am moving them along with the controller, so that should be no problem. In your opinion, should I wait to see if the extra memory solves the issues or jump straight to the new mb and memory. old machine is hyperthreading 3.06 with 2 GB ram, and I have ordered memory to go up to 4 G ram. if I have to, I will go to a real dual cpu board >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From les at futuresource.com Mon Sep 13 14:36:24 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 09:36:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] bottleneck question In-Reply-To: <41459898.705@mts.net> References: <20040911202309.BVZW1470.mx-mtaout01.mts.net@mx-mtaout> <414503C9.703@mts.net> <1095049160.4584.11.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <41459898.705@mts.net> Message-ID: <1095086183.20693.14.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2004-09-13 at 07:54, Liam Marshall wrote: > > > that should be ok then, as far as the nics. As far as the scsi drives, > I am moving them along with the controller, so that should be no > problem. In your opinion, should I wait to see if the extra memory > solves the issues or jump straight to the new mb and memory. old > machine is hyperthreading 3.06 with 2 GB ram, and I have ordered memory > to go up to 4 G ram. If you aren't actively swapping, I wouldn't expect a dramatic gain from adding RAM. I'm kind of curious about David Trask's observation that 4.1 seems to consume more CPU than earlier versions during program loading, though. Are you seeing the same? That is, do things get better after all the clients have finished starting programs? --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From phealy at dsusd.k12.ca.us Mon Sep 13 14:50:09 2004 From: phealy at dsusd.k12.ca.us (Patrick Healy) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 07:50:09 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Scribus Request Message-ID: <1095087009.15174.12.camel@crux> Eric, Thanks for the rpm's. Unfortunately, even after I installed a few others to resolve dependencies, I still get the same error as with the stock rpm's: [root at crux k12ltspversion]# scribus scribus: relocation error: scribus: undefined symbol: _ZN7QWidget7repaintEb [root at crux k12ltspversion]# which scribus /usr/bin/scribus I, of course, have no clue as to how to paint a Widget, much less, how to repaint one. But, thanks for trying. -- Pat -- Patrick Healy Palm Desert High School 43-570 Phyllis Jackson Lane Palm Desert, CA 92260 760-862-4300 x2303 From lsrpm at mts.net Mon Sep 13 15:06:20 2004 From: lsrpm at mts.net (Liam Marshall) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 10:06:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] bottleneck question In-Reply-To: <1095086183.20693.14.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <20040911202309.BVZW1470.mx-mtaout01.mts.net@mx-mtaout> <414503C9.703@mts.net> <1095049160.4584.11.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <41459898.705@mts.net> <1095086183.20693.14.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1095087980.20763.0.camel@server.ltsp> On Mon, 2004-09-13 at 09:36, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Mon, 2004-09-13 at 07:54, Liam Marshall wrote: > > > > > that should be ok then, as far as the nics. As far as the scsi drives, > > I am moving them along with the controller, so that should be no > > problem. In your opinion, should I wait to see if the extra memory > > solves the issues or jump straight to the new mb and memory. old > > machine is hyperthreading 3.06 with 2 GB ram, and I have ordered memory > > to go up to 4 G ram. > > If you aren't actively swapping, I wouldn't expect a dramatic gain > from adding RAM. I'm kind of curious about David Trask's observation > that 4.1 seems to consume more CPU than earlier versions during > program loading, though. Are you seeing the same? That is, do > things get better after all the clients have finished starting > programs? > > --- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > I am using K12LTSP 4.0.1 not 4.1 because when I tried it this summer, it kept dropping the settings for the nic, detecting new nics, and buggering up, From jackpal at cfl.rr.com Mon Sep 13 15:09:17 2004 From: jackpal at cfl.rr.com (Jack) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 11:09:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] CPU usage way up! What to do? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1095088157.2896.16.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> On Fri, 2004-09-10 at 14:41, David Trask wrote: > Hi all, > > My performance at this point is acceptable, but not as fast as last > year.....trying to find out why. I'm using K12LTSP 4.1 (FC2) on a server > with dual Xeon 2.x ghz CPU's and 4 gb. RAM...etc....etc. Using gkrellm > with the CPU usage set to show "composite"....my CPU usage stays at 90% > and higher when students are using the machines. Granted if no one is > doing anything the CPU usage is in the single digits, but once they start > using FireFox....OO...or anything else for the most part....the graph goes > WAY up and stays there. Using "top" doesn't seem to point out any > particular hogs, but then again I'm not great at reading "top". Network > bandwidth seems OK....I think it's CPU time that's killing me. When I > show "real CPU's" then four of them show up....I'm assuming that's normal > for a dual processor machine. I'd be curious to see how the 4.1 version > with fc2 stacks up against the new WBEL version Eric posted. > Unfortunately I'll need to "mondo" my server so I can go back to it if > need be. In the meantime....got any suggestions for me to try? > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > I've noticed the same perfomance problem when the students use the web. I tracked it down to the online games that are very popular. Especially some of the Java based games. Also sometimes when a PDF document was accessed from the Mozilla plugin the cpu would spike until that document was closed. Otherwise if they all just stuck to Ktouch , OO or just browsed the web with no games everything was just fine. To test this go to http://games.yahoo.com/games/downloads/bw.html: Jack From jritchie at bible.edu Mon Sep 13 15:09:58 2004 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Josiah Ritchie) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 11:09:58 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] CPU usage way up! What to do? In-Reply-To: <1095088157.2896.16.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> References: <1095088157.2896.16.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> Message-ID: <1095088198.1945.302.camel@penguin> On Mon, 2004-09-13 at 11:09, Jack wrote: > I've noticed the same perfomance problem when the students use the web. > I tracked it down to the online games that are very popular. > Especially some of the Java based games. Also sometimes when a PDF > document was accessed from the Mozilla plugin the cpu would spike until > that document was closed. Otherwise if they all just stuck to Ktouch , > OO or just browsed the web with no games everything was just fine. > > To test this go to http://games.yahoo.com/games/downloads/bw.html: Did you implement any kind of CPU quota or something to decrease this issue or did you just block the sites? Just curious atm. JSR/ From jackpal at cfl.rr.com Mon Sep 13 15:35:52 2004 From: jackpal at cfl.rr.com (Jack) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 11:35:52 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] CPU usage way up! What to do? In-Reply-To: <1095088198.1945.302.camel@penguin> References: <1095088157.2896.16.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> <1095088198.1945.302.camel@penguin> Message-ID: <1095089752.2896.19.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> On Mon, 2004-09-13 at 11:09, Josiah Ritchie wrote: > On Mon, 2004-09-13 at 11:09, Jack wrote: > > > I've noticed the same perfomance problem when the students use the web. > > I tracked it down to the online games that are very popular. > > Especially some of the Java based games. Also sometimes when a PDF > > document was accessed from the Mozilla plugin the cpu would spike until > > that document was closed. Otherwise if they all just stuck to Ktouch , > > OO or just browsed the web with no games everything was just fine. > > > > To test this go to http://games.yahoo.com/games/downloads/bw.html: > > Did you implement any kind of CPU quota or something to decrease this > issue or did you just block the sites? Just curious atm. > > JSR/ > Nope. Just made sure the teachers knew what the cause of the "slowness" was. All the terminals are in one room so its easy to notice who is playing games and stop them if nessasary. Jack From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Sep 13 15:47:54 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 08:47:54 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Scribus Request In-Reply-To: <1095087009.15174.12.camel@crux> References: <1095087009.15174.12.camel@crux> Message-ID: <1095090474.32030.123.camel@server.ltsp> On Mon, 2004-09-13 at 07:50, Patrick Healy wrote: > Eric, > > Thanks for the rpm's. Unfortunately, even after I installed a few > others to resolve dependencies, I still get the same error as with the > stock rpm's: > > [root at crux k12ltspversion]# scribus > scribus: relocation error: scribus: undefined symbol: > _ZN7QWidget7repaintEb > [root at crux k12ltspversion]# which scribus > /usr/bin/scribus > > I, of course, have no clue as to how to paint a Widget, > much less, how to repaint one. > > But, thanks for trying. > > -- Pat I scrounged up a suitable replacement devel machine & will try rebuilding scribus 1.2 tonight while I'm catching back up on the list. My oh my the first week of school can be hectic ;-) -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From carl at snarlnet.com Mon Sep 13 16:08:46 2004 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 09:08:46 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Swapping ETH0 and ETH1 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040913090352.01c28558@pop.easystreet.com> Hi People, I've had trouble all along with my k12ltsp server because I wanted to use the NIC on the mobo for the clients (it's 1000BaseT). So, I did all this work to switch the all the settings for eth0 and eth1 for the k12ltsp install. Unfortunately, I just did an upgrade install to 4.1 and now my clients can't boot again. I went through the files and it looks like the install did a lot of assuming that ETH1 was for outside and ETH0 was for the clients. It went through and detected the IP's assigned and swapped everything. In /etc/hosts it it put in a client entry for every IP on my outside subnet. SO, is there a way to swap which nic is assigned to be ETH0 and which is ETH1? Man, this would solve so many problems. I could just go with the default install then. Thanks in advance, ck From petre at maltzen.net Mon Sep 13 16:08:19 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 11:08:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] 2 NIC, now not booting In-Reply-To: <000001c4996c$447d3330$0100a8c0@AIMSSERV> References: <000001c4996c$447d3330$0100a8c0@AIMSSERV> Message-ID: <4145C5F3.1090501@maltzen.net> I don't know if it's related to your problem or not, but using the addresses you listed below means both of your NICs are now on the same subnet and I suspect that will cause some routing problems. You may want to put, say, eth1 on 192.168.1.5 instead. Petre Edwardson Pedragosa wrote: >Hi, > >I installed my LTSP server using two NIC. Eth0 is 192.168.0.254 and eth1 >is 192.168.0.5 for the internet. Now my problem is I can't get it to >boot. Before this, I was using only one NIC connected to 2 24port >switch, but it seems that there a lot of traffic so I configured and >used 2 NIC to isolate the LTSP clients. But can't get it to boot now. >What will I do. I really need this for my lab. > >Thanks > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From dyioulos at firstbhph.com Mon Sep 13 16:23:04 2004 From: dyioulos at firstbhph.com (Dimitri Yioulos) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 12:23:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] samba-winbind-ads setup In-Reply-To: <1094837038.20773.92.camel@phoenix> Message-ID: <200409131617.i8DGHOI8003277@mail1.firstbhph.com> Did as instructed: I made copies of pam.d and samba directories. I then ran "system-config-authentication" (which I had actually done as part of the install process). My entires were like this: Domain: "mysite" (here I assumed I was to use what win2k3 calls a pre-win2k domain name) Security Model: "ADS" Winbind ADS Realm: "mysite.mydomain.com" Winbind ADS Controllers: "adsserver.mysite.mydomain.com" Template Shell: "/bin/false" Seem right? What next? Diggy -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Henry Burroughs Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 12:24 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: RE: [K12OSN] samba-winbind-ads setup Diggy, First, make a backup copy of your /etc/pam.d directory and /etc/samba directories... (ie: "cp -pR /etc/pam.d /root/pam.d; cp -pR /etc/samba /root/samba") Now, there is a gui program called "system-config-authentication"... that is from fedora core 2 (k12ltsp 4.1)... if you are running 4.0.1, then try "redhat-config-authentication" which you can run from a graphical terminal on the server. You should only have to check "Use winbind" on the 2 tabs that are present. Don't worry... I've only learned alot of this from trial and error... we can get you through this on the list. If you still are having problems, we can put your files back and use some of my configuration files from my /etc/pam.d/ > From: Dimitri Yioulos > To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] samba-winbind-ads setup > Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 11:41:23 -0400 > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of Henry Burroughs > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 10:34 AM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] samba-winbind-ads setup > > Sounds like a PAM problem. if you run system-config-authentication, > and configure winbind support for both User information as well as > Authentication. Also, try "getent password" or "getent group"... you > should see the AD users... just like you were looking at /etc/password > (unless you don't have enumeration set). > > I personally am using AD directory via LDAP & Kerberos... I had to do > some hacking on /etc/pam.d/ to get it to work though. Not fully > operational yet for all users (still "tweaking" my k12ltsp server). > > Secretly, I am looking to dump AD next summer and move to pure LDAP... > my 2 win2k servers are cranky and steadily running out of space on C: > (what's up with that!!!!) > > > -- > Henry Burroughs > Technology Director > Hilton Head Preparatory School > www.hhprep.org > hburroughs at hhprep.org > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > Henry, > > Wish I could dump the two win2x servers I have, but accounting app and voice > mail depend on them (until the program vendors port to Linux!). > > Sorry to be such a noob, but " if you run system-config-authentication, > and configure winbind support for both User information as well as > Authentication" - how? > > I ran getent password and getent group, and I did get the correct responses. > > Many thanks. > > Diggy > > -- Henry Burroughs Technology Director Hilton Head Preparatory School www.hhprep.org hburroughs at hhprep.org _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From jam at mcquil.com Mon Sep 13 17:26:41 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 13:26:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Swapping ETH0 and ETH1 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040913090352.01c28558@pop.easystreet.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040913090352.01c28558@pop.easystreet.com> Message-ID: Carl, Look in /etc/modules.conf for lines that say something like: alias eth0=xxxxx.o alias eth1=xxxxx.o Where the 'xxxxx' is the kernel module used for that NIC. if you find that, then swap the '0' and '1', and it should cause the cards to come up in the order you want. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Mon, 13 Sep 2004, Carl Keil wrote: > Hi People, > > I've had trouble all along with my k12ltsp server because I wanted to use the > NIC on the mobo for the clients (it's 1000BaseT). So, I did all this work to > switch the all the settings for eth0 and eth1 for the k12ltsp install. > Unfortunately, I just did an upgrade install to 4.1 and now my clients can't > boot again. I went through the files and it looks like the install did a lot > of assuming that ETH1 was for outside and ETH0 was for the clients. It went > through and detected the IP's assigned and swapped everything. In /etc/hosts > it it put in a client entry for every IP on my outside subnet. > > SO, is there a way to swap which nic is assigned to be ETH0 and which is > ETH1? Man, this would solve so many problems. I could just go with the > default install then. > > Thanks in advance, > > ck > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dean at mumby.co.za Mon Sep 13 17:47:33 2004 From: dean at mumby.co.za (Dean Mumby) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 19:47:33 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Swapping ETH0 and ETH1 In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20040913090352.01c28558@pop.easystreet.com> Message-ID: <4145DD35.20000@mumby.co.za> Jim McQuillan wrote: > Carl, > > Look in /etc/modules.conf for lines that say something like: > > > alias eth0=xxxxx.o > alias eth1=xxxxx.o > > > Where the 'xxxxx' is the kernel module used for that NIC. > > if you find that, then swap the '0' and '1', and it should cause the > cards to come up in the order you want. > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > > On Mon, 13 Sep 2004, Carl Keil wrote: > >> Hi People, >> >> I've had trouble all along with my k12ltsp server because I wanted to >> use the NIC on the mobo for the clients (it's 1000BaseT). So, I did >> all this work to switch the all the settings for eth0 and eth1 for >> the k12ltsp install. Unfortunately, I just did an upgrade install to >> 4.1 and now my clients can't boot again. I went through the files >> and it looks like the install did a lot of assuming that ETH1 was for >> outside and ETH0 was for the clients. It went through and detected >> the IP's assigned and swapped everything. In /etc/hosts it it put in >> a client entry for every IP on my outside subnet. >> >> SO, is there a way to swap which nic is assigned to be ETH0 and which >> is ETH1? Man, this would solve so many problems. I could just go >> with the default install then. >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> ck >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > I have experienced this as well you need to check that the ethx is not being locked to a specific mac address. you will also need to check /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-ethx regards dean From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Sep 13 17:56:34 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 13:56:34 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Found Something! re: CPU usage 4.1 Message-ID: I found something that seems to be speeding us up a LOT today! Yesterday I asked about how to stop icewmbg and icewmtray....well I found that in the IceWM session in /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions that it loads "icewm-session". This essentially loads icewm plus all kinds enhancements......I simply wnet back to the old way of invoking icewm....remove the "icewm-session" and replace with "icewm". I have yet to notice anything different within IceWM...except that everything is noticeably faster. It freed up some CPU time as well....as that's 2 processes for each user that are no longer running. I still have the startup CPU usage issue where whenver we "mass start" a program it jumps into the 90's, BUT....yesterday when I had icewm-session running....loading OOwriter on 19 machines at once (using TeacherTool) took 90 seconds...today...same scenario....only took 60 seconds....only diff was I started icewm differently. FYI.....YMMV David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From brockn at gmail.com Mon Sep 13 18:20:20 2004 From: brockn at gmail.com (Brock Noland) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 13:20:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] mount of NFS drive takes 2+ minutes Message-ID: <741dcbb8040913112063183928@mail.gmail.com> My LTSP mounts a drive off of our file server in order to keep the home directories and such. However the mounting takes about 2-3 minutes. (Enough time to get a cup of coffee.) All the machines are on a private GigaBit network that only has about 12 nodes. Is this behavior normal? I should note the NFS server is a Mac xServe and the drive is about 150GB. Thanks for any suggestions! Brock From cwt137 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 13 19:02:22 2004 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 12:02:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Cyrix display chip In-Reply-To: <41455DC6.30303@shuttleworthfoundation.org> Message-ID: <20040913190222.41932.qmail@web12106.mail.yahoo.com> Hello, I have 2 ideas: 1. Make sure the pci id of your cyrix vid. card is in the vidlist file. Ive had about 3 cards over the years not in that file. 2. One time, I had some S3 cards that didn't work properly when using the default native driver. So I tried svga driver and it was too slow, so what I did was use the S3 driver but turned off the accel. I made a custom XF86Config file for thoes pc's but I think now, in the lts.config you can pass the extra options needed to turn off acell. I don't know if that will work or not but you can try it. Chris --- Jonathan Carter wrote: > Hi K12OSN List > > We're installing thin clients in schools using > K12LTSP 4.0.1 and K12LTSP > 4.1. Our new batch of donated thin clients uses the > Cyrix 5530 display > chip, which doesn't seem to work if I use the > "cyrix" driver in the > lts.conf file. > > It works using the "vesa" driver, but graphics is > painfully slow. > > Is there an updated cyrix driver I can download > somewhere? Or are there > extra kernel parameters that I need to specify > somewhere? > > Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks > Jonathan > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Sep 13 21:09:22 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 14:09:22 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Found Something! re: CPU usage 4.1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1095109762.32030.133.camel@server.ltsp> On Mon, 2004-09-13 at 10:56, David Trask wrote: > I found something that seems to be speeding us up a LOT today! Yesterday > I asked about how to stop icewmbg and icewmtray....well I found that in > the IceWM session in /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions that it loads > "icewm-session". This essentially loads icewm plus all kinds > enhancements......I simply wnet back to the old way of invoking > icewm....remove the "icewm-session" and replace with "icewm". I have yet > to notice anything different within IceWM...except that everything is > noticeably faster. It freed up some CPU time as well....as that's 2 > processes for each user that are no longer running. I still have the > startup CPU usage issue where whenver we "mass start" a program it jumps > into the 90's, BUT....yesterday when I had icewm-session > running....loading OOwriter on 19 machines at once (using TeacherTool) > took 90 seconds...today...same scenario....only took 60 seconds....only > diff was I started icewm differently. FYI.....YMMV > Interesting. I don't use IceWM very often (and can't test it ATM), does the behavior change if it is changed from icewm-session to icewm? I've uploaded new testing icewm packages with icewm instead of icewm-session: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/ -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The better way might be to keep icewm-session, and uninstall the optional icetray, etc. I could be very wrong though -- perhaps someone could test keeping the icewm-session and uninstalling the icetray (and icebg if it's separate) -Shawn From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Sep 13 22:26:42 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 15:26:42 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Found Something! re: CPU usage 4.1 In-Reply-To: <41461466.2000901@inlandlakes.org> References: <1095109762.32030.133.camel@server.ltsp> <41461466.2000901@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <1095114402.8915.7.camel@server.ltsp> On Mon, 2004-09-13 at 14:43, Shawn Powers wrote: > Eric Harrison wrote: > > >I've uploaded new testing icewm packages with icewm instead of > >icewm-session: > > > > > This doesn't really effect me, because I have REALLY hacked the xdm > stuff so that my users don't even see a choice -- but if you change that > to icewm instead of icewm-session, things like the system tray icons > don't work. It's a really nice feature of icewm, for programs like > gaim, etc. that use the system tray. > > The better way might be to keep icewm-session, and uninstall the > optional icetray, etc. I could be very wrong though -- perhaps someone > could test keeping the icewm-session and uninstalling the icetray (and > icebg if it's separate) > > -Shawn It would be easy to make this configurable... in fact it should be pretty much trivial. I'll whip up another build and see how it works. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Sep 13 22:32:05 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 15:32:05 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Fwd: "Stateless Linux" project Message-ID: <1095114724.8915.10.camel@server.ltsp> The "Stateless Linux" project should be of interest to this group... -Eric -----Forwarded Message----- > From: Havoc Pennington > To: fedora-devel-list at redhat.com > Subject: "Stateless Linux" project > Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 14:42:35 -0400 > > Hi, > > Red Hat engineering is starting a new project we're calling > "stateless Linux" for lack of a better name - some components of this > are already in Rawhide, and others will be appearing shortly. > > We've been keeping the project a little bit quiet at first, but now > we've written it up in some detail: > > - an overview document, available from > http://people.redhat.com/~hp/stateless/ > > - a HOWTO document and a couple associated RPMs, available from > http://people.redhat.com/dmalcolm/stateless/ > > There aren't many new RPMs for this, because stateless Linux isn't a > single codebase or package, it's a set of changes across the > distribution (you might think of it as a "philosophy"). Most of the > changes are already in Rawhide (the highlights are mentioned in the > StatelessLinux.pdf document). > > Appreciate feedback, especially from anyone who has time to try out > the HOWTO. We expect the code to change quite a bit as issues and > suggestions come in. > > Havoc > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From cwt137 at yahoo.com Tue Sep 14 00:28:39 2004 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 17:28:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Fwd: "Stateless Linux" project In-Reply-To: <1095114724.8915.10.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <20040914002839.84118.qmail@web12103.mail.yahoo.com> Hello. This just sounds like a more complicated thing to me. Maybe I'm just not fully understanding what 'stateless Linux' is and how it would be better than or compliment LTSP. What I would really like is to save my current session when I logout. When I was at LWE last month, I saw Sun Ray terminals and the Java Desktop System do it. It would be cool if I could logout but my session is saved and I could go home and continue to work from the same place when I left. Chris --- Eric Harrison wrote: > > The "Stateless Linux" project should be of interest > to this group... > > -Eric > > -----Forwarded Message----- > > From: Havoc Pennington > > To: fedora-devel-list at redhat.com > > Subject: "Stateless Linux" project > > Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 14:42:35 -0400 > > > > Hi, > > > > Red Hat engineering is starting a new project > we're calling > > "stateless Linux" for lack of a better name - some > components of this > > are already in Rawhide, and others will be > appearing shortly. > > > > We've been keeping the project a little bit quiet > at first, but now > > we've written it up in some detail: > > > > - an overview document, available from > > http://people.redhat.com/~hp/stateless/ > > > > - a HOWTO document and a couple associated RPMs, > available from > > http://people.redhat.com/dmalcolm/stateless/ > > > > There aren't many new RPMs for this, because > stateless Linux isn't a > > single codebase or package, it's a set of changes > across the > > distribution (you might think of it as a > "philosophy"). Most of the > > changes are already in Rawhide (the highlights are > mentioned in the > > StatelessLinux.pdf document). > > > > Appreciate feedback, especially from anyone who > has time to try out > > the HOWTO. We expect the code to change quite a > bit as issues and > > suggestions come in. > > > > Havoc > > > > > ATTACHMENT part 1.2 application/pgp-signature name=signature.asc > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From prentice at instruction.com Tue Sep 14 00:51:37 2004 From: prentice at instruction.com (Dave Prentice) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 19:51:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: trouble with Compaq deskpro 5200mmx Message-ID: <01c499f4$fd96b980$6500000a@Dave.HOME> Jim, Even though lts.conf had the default resolution at 800x600, it wasn't being applied to that machine. I manually put in a section for its MAC address to force it to 800x600, 1meg memory, 8 bits. Working now (though 8 bits doesn't look very good). Thanks. Dave Prentice prentice at instruction.com >Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 03:52:19 -0400 (EDT) >From: Jim McQuillan >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] trouble with Compaq deskpro 5200mmx >To: Dave Prentice , "Support list for >On Sat, 11 Sep 2004, Dave Prentice wrote: >> Hello all, >> I have been working for months on my classroom network. It took weeks >> to figure out how make the server work, then each client has given me >> fits. I only have 2 working properly so far (each one took at least 6 >> hours to make work), and hope to get a third working. I hate spending >> so much time on each machine! >> The one I'm trying to make work is a Compaq Deskpro 400, model >> 5200mmx. It connects to the server and boots up to a login screen OK, >> but it's the wrong screeen resolution. >> It does not have onboard video but instead uses a PCI card. The >> BIOS defaults to 640 x 480, and even though I have the server's config >> file (ltsp.conf, if I remember right) set to default to 800x600, this >> one still comes up as 640 x 480. I tried a different video card, a >> Trident with 1meg of memory but it still comes up as 640 x 480. I >> loaded the Compaq configuration program onto a hard drive but can't >> find a way to force it to change resolution. Has anybody had a similar >> problem? How do I fix it? >you say you are setting 800x600 in lts.conf. Could you >show us your lts.conf file, so we can see how you are setting it ? >Jim McQuillan >jam at Ltsp.org From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Sep 14 01:14:51 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 21:14:51 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Found Something! re: CPU usage 4.1 In-Reply-To: <1095109762.32030.133.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1095109762.32030.133.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >Interesting. I don't use IceWM very often (and can't test it ATM), does >the behavior change if it is changed from icewm-session to icewm? No....I can't find anything different other than things work a LOT faster! > > >I've uploaded new testing icewm packages with icewm instead of >icewm-session: David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Sep 14 01:19:50 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 21:19:50 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Found Something! re: CPU usage 4.1 In-Reply-To: <41461466.2000901@inlandlakes.org> References: < > <1095109762.32030.133.camel@server.ltsp> <41461466.2000901@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." writes: >This doesn't really effect me, because I have REALLY hacked the xdm >stuff so that my users don't even see a choice -- but if you change that >to icewm instead of icewm-session, things like the system tray icons >don't work. It's a really nice feature of icewm, for programs like >gaim, etc. that use the system tray. This could be true....we don't use any apps that use the system tray so I wouldn't have noticed that. It's a simple change though....in /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions....my IceWM session reads like this.... ######################## #!/bin/bash xhost +10.0.15.253 if [ -f /etc/profile.d/ltsp-esound.sh ] then . /etc/profile.d/ltsp-esound.sh fi /usr/libexec/gnome-settings-daemon & /usr/bin/nautilus & #exec /usr/bin/icewm-session exec /usr/bin/icewm ######################### You can see all I did was simply comment out the line that was there and replaced it with the simpler one...that's all. The IceWM site basically says that if you don't want to start all that extra stuff....use "icewm" instead of "icewm-session" > > >The better way might be to keep icewm-session, and uninstall the >optional icetray, etc. I could be very wrong though -- perhaps someone >could test keeping the icewm-session and uninstalling the icetray (and >icebg if it's separate) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Sep 14 01:34:49 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 21:34:49 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Fwd: "Stateless Linux" project In-Reply-To: <20040914002839.84118.qmail@web12103.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040914002839.84118.qmail@web12103.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: This has potential...sounds like it could be a way for us to have our cake and eat it too! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From jam at mcquil.com Tue Sep 14 01:44:18 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 21:44:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Fwd: "Stateless Linux" project In-Reply-To: References: <20040914002839.84118.qmail@web12103.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The 'Stateless Linux' project does look pretty interesting, but from what I can tell, they are targetting fairly powerful hardware as the thin client. In a business, where they can afford to buy all new thin clients, that's fine, but in a school environment, that's not typically the type of hardware you get. Just try to imagine running applications locally on an old Compaq with 16 or 32mb of ram and a Pentium 100. Still, they've got some cool ideas cooking. The great thing about open source is that whatever they come up with, if it turns out to be a good idea, we can adapt it to our needs too :) Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Mon, 13 Sep 2004, David Trask wrote: > This has potential...sounds like it could be a way for us to have our cake > and eat it too! > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From bear2bar at netscape.net Tue Sep 14 02:59:46 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 22:59:46 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Fwd: "Stateless Linux" project In-Reply-To: References: <20040914002839.84118.qmail@web12103.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <41465EA2.8090406@netscape.net> Just a quick note, we should all thank M$ for their escalading HW requirements forcing companies to "discard" P-II & P-IIIs that are perfect as thin-clients in the Stateless Linux project. In our lab we have P-I 75Mhz with 64 MB performing as well as a P-IV for most simple office applications. A celeron 600Mhz with 256 MB run circles around a fully loaded P-IV running Maya (Blender on the Celeron) Just rejoice with the expected mirgration to Server 2003 thousands of computers will be made "obsolete" and therefore available for schools as thin-clients..... I can't wait !!!!! norbert jam at mcquil.com wrote: > The 'Stateless Linux' project does look pretty interesting, but from > what I can tell, they are targetting fairly powerful hardware as the > thin client. In a business, where they can afford to buy all new > thin clients, that's fine, but in a school environment, that's not > typically the type of hardware you get. > > Just try to imagine running applications locally on an old Compaq with > 16 or 32mb of ram and a Pentium 100. > > Still, they've got some cool ideas cooking. The great thing about > open source is that whatever they come up with, if it turns out to be > a good idea, we can adapt it to our needs too :) > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > On Mon, 13 Sep 2004, David Trask wrote: > >> This has potential...sounds like it could be a way for us to have our >> cake >> and eat it too! >> >> David N. Trask >> Technology Teacher/Coordinator >> Vassalboro Community School >> dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >> (207)923-3100 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From lsrpm at mts.net Tue Sep 14 03:14:26 2004 From: lsrpm at mts.net (Liam Marshall) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 22:14:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Real Culprit Message-ID: <41466212.6040403@mts.net> I began this thread under the subject, bottleneck Question. I am starting a new thread for a variety of reasons. Thanks to Les and others, I have narrowed down some of the problems, now I would like some clarification Today I had 28 grade 7 students all log in at the exact same time, this made the log in process slow for everyone. CPU usage went to 100% for a while, and memory usage went close to 100% 1.9GB used out of 2GB After all got in, the cpu usage went down, but memory stayed very high. Then they went into oowriter, again with real slow down. Once they were in and doing their individual assignments, TOP showed cpu usage of about 10-12% but memory stayed maxed at 1.9 out of 2 If I stagger the time for entering oowriter, ei allowing 5-6 to click on it at the same time, speed is acceptable, but unrealistic for teaching purposes. Teachers need to give instructions and the kids need to be able to execute instructions near the same time. "OK, class, everyone start oowriter..." or similar is a standard method, but it leads to near simultaneous accessing/starting of programs. Whether it is and OpenOffice app , or Mozilla, or something as silly as Super Tux Racer, both cpu and memory seem to be maxing out, at least temporarily when programs are loading, then the cpu use usually settles down, (except for the games which seem to keep the cpu use maxed, but then again I don't care much about that, I am not teaching game play) My long winded question is this. Both cpu and memory max at some point. I have ordered more memory, to increase memory to 4GB, My existing motherboard will handle that, but it won't handle upgrading cpu It is only a single cpu multithreading 3.06. If I need to do that upgrade I need to buy a board and cpu's. Question: Nothing but upgrading to a true dual cpu will stop the cpu usage from maxing out, right? I mean, no matter how much memory I get, if the cpu maxes, even temporarily, it will always do that, right? sorry for the long winded preamble, I am just trying to get my head around paying the extra money From sudev at mantraonline.com Tue Sep 14 03:39:59 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 09:09:59 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: trouble with Compaq deskpro 5200mmx In-Reply-To: <01c499f4$fd96b980$6500000a@Dave.HOME> References: <01c499f4$fd96b980$6500000a@Dave.HOME> Message-ID: <1095133198.11712.5.camel@server.ltsp> On Tue, 2004-09-14 at 06:21, Dave Prentice wrote: > Jim, > Even though lts.conf had the default resolution at 800x600, it wasn't > being applied to that machine. I manually put in a section for its MAC > address to force it to 800x600, 1meg memory, 8 bits. Working now > (though 8 bits doesn't look very good). Thanks. With 1meg you can try 16bit resolution. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From sudev at mantraonline.com Tue Sep 14 03:51:20 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 09:21:20 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Presentation and Contact List In-Reply-To: <258730-22004951016323667@M2W074.mail2web.com> References: <258730-22004951016323667@M2W074.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <1095133879.11712.10.camel@server.ltsp> On Fri, 2004-09-10 at 21:33, steve at hargadon.com wrote: > My company sells refurbished Dell Optiplex computers, which work well with > LTSP, and we have large quantities of identical machines. We're still > working on a price point for selling them with a bootable nic as LTSP > workstations--any feedback? [SNIP] In reply to this and some other posts on the thread. In India we are helping some of the companies deploy Linux with LTSP (or K12LTSP) environment. If any one is interested I have one case study that can be shared. Or look up Nuchem case study at www.linux-delhi.org downloads section. Through the LUG we have been advocating this adoption and it is starting to show. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Sep 14 06:10:45 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 23:10:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Found Something! re: CPU usage 4.1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 13 Sep 2004, David Trask wrote: >"Support list for opensource software in schools." >writes: >>This doesn't really effect me, because I have REALLY hacked the xdm >>stuff so that my users don't even see a choice -- but if you change that >>to icewm instead of icewm-session, things like the system tray icons >>don't work. It's a really nice feature of icewm, for programs like >>gaim, etc. that use the system tray. > >This could be true....we don't use any apps that use the system tray so I >wouldn't have noticed that. It's a simple change though....in >/etc/X11/gdm/Sessions....my IceWM session reads like this.... >######################## > >#!/bin/bash >xhost +10.0.15.253 >if [ -f /etc/profile.d/ltsp-esound.sh ] >then > . /etc/profile.d/ltsp-esound.sh >fi >/usr/libexec/gnome-settings-daemon & >/usr/bin/nautilus & >#exec /usr/bin/icewm-session >exec /usr/bin/icewm I'm working on something like this... a /etc/sysconfig/icewm file containing: ICEWM_NAUTILUS=YES ICEWM_SESSION=YES and then the /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/IceWM would contain: #!/bin/bash if [ -f /etc/profile.d/ltsp-esound.sh ] then . /etc/profile.d/ltsp-esound.sh fi if [ -f /etc/sysconfig/icewm ] then . /etc/sysconfig/icewm fi if [ "$ICEWM_NAUTILUS" = "YES" ] then /usr/libexec/gnome-settings-daemon & /usr/bin/nautilus & fi if [ "$ICEWM_SESSION" = "YES" ] then exec /usr/bin/icewm-session else exec /usr/bin/icewm fi I think that would do the trick for making it easy to adjust how much resources the IceWM session type uses. Just edit /etc/sysconfig/icewm to turn various features on or off. -Eric From jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org Tue Sep 14 06:16:29 2004 From: jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org (Jonathan Carter) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 08:16:29 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Cyrix display chip In-Reply-To: <20040913190222.41932.qmail@web12106.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040913190222.41932.qmail@web12106.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <41468CBD.7070404@shuttleworthfoundation.org> Chris Thomas wrote: >2. One time, I had some S3 cards that didn't work >properly when using the default native driver. So I >tried svga driver and it was too slow, so what I did >was use the S3 driver but turned off the accel. I made >a custom XF86Config file for thoes pc's but I think >now, in the lts.config you can pass the extra options >needed to turn off acell. > >I don't know if that will work or not but you can try >it. > >Chris > > Thanks Chris, I think I've done something similar before, I'll give it a go. -Jonathan From jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org Tue Sep 14 07:03:06 2004 From: jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org (Jonathan Carter) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 09:03:06 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Real Culprit In-Reply-To: <41466212.6040403@mts.net> References: <41466212.6040403@mts.net> Message-ID: <414697AA.4070005@shuttleworthfoundation.org> Hi Liam > It is only a single cpu multithreading 3.06. If I need to do that > upgrade I need to buy a board and cpu's. > Question: Nothing but upgrading to a true dual cpu will stop the cpu > usage from maxing out, right? I mean, no matter how much memory I > get, if the cpu maxes, even temporarily, it will always do that, right? As far as I understand, CPU's will always execute commands as fast as they can, which means that they'll always max out when they can't execute commands faster than real time, correct? I think adding another CPU would help, but I would advise you to check your disk bandwidth as well. Sometimes things get slow because the server is writing and reading at too many places on the disk at once, and then there are situations where people have dma disabled or run RAID 1 on two IDE disks that's on the same controller... something I must admit, I've been guilty of as well before. -Jonathan From debbieschiel at hotmail.com Tue Sep 14 07:08:04 2004 From: debbieschiel at hotmail.com (Debbie Schiel) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 07:08:04 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Real Culprit Message-ID: Question: Nothing but upgrading to a true dual cpu will stop the cpu usage from maxing out, right? I mean, no matter how much memory I get, if the cpu maxes, even temporarily, it will always do that, right? I've been gathering quotes and information for a machine that would be ideal for a K12ltsp server at our school in central Queensland (Australia). We would also only have max 30 students logging in at any one time. All the quotes and info I have received say DUAL. We've ordered one now and when it's up and running I'll post the specs and its capabilities. This is some advice I received from Christian Beitzel in ACT: "...we found the formula for these boxes through much trial and error. We started with a standard desktop box with a gig of ram and an ide hdd, then went to a p4 server with scsi drives and 1 gig of RAM and eventually ended up with a Dual Xeon Server with SCSI drives and 2 Gigs of RAM... There is a formula for speccing out a terminal server - 512 Meg Ram for the base + 50 meg per workstation. But this is for bare minimum operation. We also experimented and found that RAM and CPU are almost directly proportional - that is we ran a test server PIII 500 with 1 gig of ram into a few test terminals and then a PIII 1000 with 512 meg ram into the same terminals and the load results were the same." ----Original Message Follows---- From: Liam Marshall Reply-To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Subject: [K12OSN] Real Culprit Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 22:14:26 -0500 I began this thread under the subject, bottleneck Question. I am starting a new thread for a variety of reasons. Thanks to Les and others, I have narrowed down some of the problems, now I would like some clarification Today I had 28 grade 7 students all log in at the exact same time, this made the log in process slow for everyone. CPU usage went to 100% for a while, and memory usage went close to 100% 1.9GB used out of 2GB After all got in, the cpu usage went down, but memory stayed very high. Then they went into oowriter, again with real slow down. Once they were in and doing their individual assignments, TOP showed cpu usage of about 10-12% but memory stayed maxed at 1.9 out of 2 If I stagger the time for entering oowriter, ei allowing 5-6 to click on it at the same time, speed is acceptable, but unrealistic for teaching purposes. Teachers need to give instructions and the kids need to be able to execute instructions near the same time. "OK, class, everyone start oowriter..." or similar is a standard method, but it leads to near simultaneous accessing/starting of programs. Whether it is and OpenOffice app , or Mozilla, or something as silly as Super Tux Racer, both cpu and memory seem to be maxing out, at least temporarily when programs are loading, then the cpu use usually settles down, (except for the games which seem to keep the cpu use maxed, but then again I don't care much about that, I am not teaching game play) My long winded question is this. Both cpu and memory max at some point. I have ordered more memory, to increase memory to 4GB, My existing motherboard will handle that, but it won't handle upgrading cpu It is only a single cpu multithreading 3.06. If I need to do that upgrade I need to buy a board and cpu's. Question: Nothing but upgrading to a true dual cpu will stop the cpu usage from maxing out, right? I mean, no matter how much memory I get, if the cpu maxes, even temporarily, it will always do that, right? sorry for the long winded preamble, I am just trying to get my head around paying the extra money _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From bimalp at indoasian.com Tue Sep 14 07:17:18 2004 From: bimalp at indoasian.com (bimal pandit) Date: 14 Sep 2004 12:47:18 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] 2 NIC, now not booting In-Reply-To: <4145C5F3.1090501@maltzen.net> References: <000001c4996c$447d3330$0100a8c0@AIMSSERV> <4145C5F3.1090501@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1095146238.7698.22.camel@server.ltsp> Dear Edwardson could you send me the output of "ifconfig" and content of "/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0" & /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth1" files regards, bimal On Mon, 2004-09-13 at 21:38, Petre Scheie wrote: > I don't know if it's related to your problem or not, but using the > addresses you listed below means both of your NICs are now on the same > subnet and I suspect that will cause some routing problems. You may > want to put, say, eth1 on 192.168.1.5 instead. > > Petre > > Edwardson Pedragosa wrote: > > >Hi, > > > >I installed my LTSP server using two NIC. Eth0 is 192.168.0.254 and eth1 > >is 192.168.0.5 for the internet. Now my problem is I can't get it to > >boot. Before this, I was using only one NIC connected to 2 24port > >switch, but it seems that there a lot of traffic so I configured and > >used 2 NIC to isolate the LTSP clients. But can't get it to boot now. > >What will I do. I really need this for my lab. > > > >Thanks > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From les at futuresource.com Tue Sep 14 13:02:10 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 08:02:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Fwd: "Stateless Linux" project In-Reply-To: References: <20040914002839.84118.qmail@web12103.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1095166930.8402.15.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2004-09-13 at 20:44, Jim McQuillan wrote: > The 'Stateless Linux' project does look pretty interesting, but from > what I can tell, they are targetting fairly powerful hardware as the > thin client. In a business, where they can afford to buy all new > thin clients, that's fine, but in a school environment, that's not > typically the type of hardware you get. There are lots of machines in the P3 450 range on the used market for $99 or so, and the speed of boxes coming off lease is creeping up. > Just try to imagine running applications locally on an old Compaq with > 16 or 32mb of ram and a Pentium 100. On the other hand it seems like a waste to run everything on the server if you have cycles to spare on your client. > Still, they've got some cool ideas cooking. The great thing about open > source is that whatever they come up with, if it turns out to be a good > idea, we can adapt it to our needs too :) I think the ideal scenario would be a variation of openmosix where processes could run only on your own desktop or a designated set of servers to avoid the issue of someone else kicking their power cord and losing your work. Next best would be a choice of running ltsp-style thin clients on weak hardware and something more like a network-booted knoppix on faster boxes but with common authentication and home directory mounts - and some way to deal with the security issues of nfs when the client has root access. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jam at mcquil.com Tue Sep 14 13:48:15 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 09:48:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Real Culprit In-Reply-To: <41466212.6040403@mts.net> References: <41466212.6040403@mts.net> Message-ID: Liam, The question about maxing out memory comes up all the time, and it's a subject that seems to be not well understood. The Linux kernel will allocate all available memory to buffers. Seeing 1.9mb out of 2.0mg used is no big deal. The important thing is how much swapping is going on? if no swapping is happening, then you are NOT short of memory. if you want to see how much swap is being used, then run: free It will show you something like: total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 2077220 1699756 377464 0 8612 585400 -/+ buffers/cache: 1105744 971476 Swap: 3903784 11352 3892432 I've got 2mb of ram in my machine, and you can see that about 594mb is being used for buffers and cache. You can also see that i've touched swap just a bit. I'm not too worried about 11mb of swap being used. You can also run 'vmstat' and look at the 'swap si' and 'swap so' columns. that's "swap ins" and "swap outs". You can also add a number seconds, after the 'vmstat' command. I run: vmstat 5 and it shows me a line of info every 5 seconds. Try running that on a terminal while other terminals are busy loading or running programs. If you aren't getting any swapping, then you aren't at a critical point with your ram. BUT, more ram does help performance, even if you aren't swapping, because as I've shown above, Linux will use that ram for buffers, and that should help. If you have the 'sysstat' package installed, then 'sar' can help you to figure out where the problems are. I run: sar -u 5 100 That will give me a snapshot of cpu utilization every 5 seconds. the '100' means to do it 100 times. On my system, that produces this: Linux 2.6.7-jam-2-smp (BigDog) 09/14/04 09:44:32 CPU %user %nice %system %iowait %idle 09:44:37 all 0.20 0.00 1.70 0.00 98.10 09:44:42 all 2.50 0.10 2.70 0.30 94.40 I have a hunch that part of your bottleneck will show up in the %iowait column, meaning the system is waiting on your disk to provide data. Hope that helps, Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Mon, 13 Sep 2004, Liam Marshall wrote: > I began this thread under the subject, bottleneck Question. I am starting a > new thread for a variety of reasons. Thanks to Les and others, I have > narrowed down some of the problems, now I would like some clarification > > Today I had 28 grade 7 students all log in at the exact same time, this made > the log in process slow for everyone. CPU usage went to 100% for a while, > and memory usage went close to 100% 1.9GB used out of 2GB > > After all got in, the cpu usage went down, but memory stayed very high. Then > they went into oowriter, again with real slow down. Once they were in and > doing their individual assignments, TOP showed cpu usage of about 10-12% but > memory stayed maxed at 1.9 out of 2 > > If I stagger the time for entering oowriter, ei allowing 5-6 to click on it > at the same time, speed is acceptable, but unrealistic for teaching purposes. > Teachers need to give instructions and the kids need to be able to execute > instructions near the same time. "OK, class, everyone start oowriter..." or > similar is a standard method, but it leads to near simultaneous > accessing/starting of programs. > > Whether it is and OpenOffice app , or Mozilla, or something as silly as Super > Tux Racer, both cpu and memory seem to be maxing out, at least temporarily > when programs are loading, then the cpu use usually settles down, (except for > the games which seem to keep the cpu use maxed, but then again I don't care > much about that, I am not teaching game play) > > My long winded question is this. Both cpu and memory max at some point. I > have ordered more memory, to increase memory to 4GB, My existing motherboard > will handle that, but it won't handle upgrading cpu > > It is only a single cpu multithreading 3.06. If I need to do that upgrade I > need to buy a board and cpu's. > Question: Nothing but upgrading to a true dual cpu will stop the cpu usage > from maxing out, right? I mean, no matter how much memory I get, if the cpu > maxes, even temporarily, it will always do that, right? > > sorry for the long winded preamble, I am just trying to get my head around > paying the extra money > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dharkness at nsd2.com Tue Sep 14 14:27:12 2004 From: dharkness at nsd2.com (Dale Harkness) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 09:27:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] X login not starting Message-ID: <4146FFC0.6080308@nsd2.com> I have about 30 clients connecting to my server. Everything so far has been fine. All machines are up and running, but i had one machine that needed to be rebooted. after doing so it boots into and seems to be starting the X login screen for Gnome, but i see nothing but a grey screen with an X for a mouse cursor. i rebooted another machine and it did the same thing. other clients are in and woriking fine, but i fear when i reboot them they will not. anyone know what the problem might be? i checked my lts.conf file and my video driver is set correctly, so i really have no clue at this point. and they are getting the correct ip address info via the tail /var/log/messages command. thanks. dale From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Sep 14 14:47:55 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 10:47:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Found Something! re: CPU usage 4.1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Good idea! Should work well. "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tue Sep 14 2004 at 02:10 +0000 wrote: >I'm working on something like this... a /etc/sysconfig/icewm file >containing: > > ICEWM_NAUTILUS=YES > ICEWM_SESSION=YES > >and then the /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/IceWM would contain: > > #!/bin/bash > if [ -f /etc/profile.d/ltsp-esound.sh ] > then > . /etc/profile.d/ltsp-esound.sh > fi > if [ -f /etc/sysconfig/icewm ] > then > . /etc/sysconfig/icewm > fi > if [ "$ICEWM_NAUTILUS" = "YES" ] > then > /usr/libexec/gnome-settings-daemon & > /usr/bin/nautilus & > fi > if [ "$ICEWM_SESSION" = "YES" ] > then > exec /usr/bin/icewm-session > else > exec /usr/bin/icewm > fi > >I think that would do the trick for making it easy to adjust >how much resources the IceWM session type uses. Just edit >/etc/sysconfig/icewm to turn various features on or off. > >-Eric David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From pvdw at criticalcontrol.com Tue Sep 14 14:40:31 2004 From: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com (Pete) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 08:40:31 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] X login not starting In-Reply-To: <4146FFC0.6080308@nsd2.com> References: <4146FFC0.6080308@nsd2.com> Message-ID: <414702DF.20405@criticalcontrol.com> Dale Harkness wrote: > I have about 30 clients connecting to my server. Everything so far > has been fine. All machines are up and running, but i had one machine > that needed to be rebooted. after doing so it boots into and seems to > be starting the X login screen for Gnome, but i see nothing but a grey > screen with an X for a mouse cursor. i rebooted another machine and > it did the same thing. other clients are in and woriking fine, but i > fear when i reboot them they will not. anyone know what the problem > might be? i checked my lts.conf file and my video driver is set > correctly, so i really have no clue at this point. and they are > getting the correct ip address info via the tail /var/log/messages > command. thanks. > > dale > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see Not usre about this but I had this once too. It turned out that I did a yum update and all kept on working until the next boot. So 'yum update' was to blame... Digging into it I found that my xdm.conf was overwritten... run ltscnf again (this will rewrite the xdm.conf), and try booting the two clients. Peter From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Sep 14 14:57:19 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 10:57:19 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenMosix? Could it help my CPU issue? Message-ID: I think I know the answer, but I figured I'd ask. I've run sysstat....vmstat...etc. No issues with RAM (I NEVER go into swap).....I almost never have disk wait issues....so the only issue left....is CPU. I notice it badly when kids are in FireFox or some other web browser and playing Flash activities...etc. I also notice a huge jump in CPU when the kids first launch apps....once loaded things calm down a lot. Anyway....would OpenMosix help out here by putting more CPU power into the mix? Not sure how OpenMosix works. Also...will web browsers benefit? Or do they not migrate? Can anyone point me to a how to that would work with my K12LTSP 4.1 server? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From pvdw at criticalcontrol.com Tue Sep 14 15:05:34 2004 From: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com (Pete) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 09:05:34 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] freeNX and K12LTSP call for help. (long post) Message-ID: <414708BE.6060105@criticalcontrol.com> Hi All : I have read some posting on this list about freeNX and K12LTSP, however nobody came up with a public available 'how-to' from scratch... I don't mind spending a few days on this and putting a nice html together... I have read "A Brief Look At NoMachine NX" http://www.gnome.org/~markmc/a-look-at-nomachine-nx.html The key docs at nomachine's Developers section and some posts from the aKademy (KDE gathering in Germany) where they showed off a Knoppix with freeNX/kNx. From what I have read (but not necc. understand) now, this will be the steps to do : Get sources (NX's 17 tar.gz files, the FreeNX server tar.gz and kNx for KDE or nxclient that is included in FreeNX) Install freeNX's dependencies if not already on the LTS. Compile the NX sources on the LTSP server in /usr/NX Put freeNX on top of that (anybody knows what a gentoo-nomachine.diff does ?) run nxsetup and we are done (?) The freeNX part scares me the most... from the very comprehensive INSTALL ;-) : DEPENDENCIES ------------ It depends on: - NX sources - X11 libraries - sshd - expect - netcat NOTE ---- This tarball is intented mainly for distributions, which want to use FreeNX as building the other OpenSource NX components is qui te difficult. In the following sections it is outlined how to install FreeNX as soon as you've build all open source components. HOWTO MANUALLY INSTALL ---------------------- You must apply the gentoo-nomachine.diff and then copy the files to /usr/NX/bin and /usr/NX/lib. You can use the following schema to do the install to /usr/NX/: NXPREFIX=/usr/NX mkdir -p ${NXPREFIX}/lib ${NXPREFIX}/bin ... Somebody willing to share documentation on how to get freeNX going (pref on Fedora Core 2 / SuSE 9.1 pro or SLES 9) ? Somebody wants to take a look at a screen script? Can we use pam for authentication? Anybody knows what the meaning is of : You must apply the gentoo-nomachine.diff and then copy the files to /usr/NX/bin and /usr/NX/lib. and how to do this 'correctly' in non-gentoo distro's? Thanks Peter From glessard at coll-outao.qc.ca Tue Sep 14 15:33:44 2004 From: glessard at coll-outao.qc.ca (Guy Lessard) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 11:33:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] How do i logout users ? Message-ID: <41470F58.5060008@coll-outao.qc.ca> I have a k12ltsp V3.1.1 server with Novell authentication. When i run top, it says i have 5 users still running and who says two of them are students (the other three is root). All terminals are properly shut down. How do i logoff these sessions? From pvdw at criticalcontrol.com Tue Sep 14 15:43:11 2004 From: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com (Pete) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 09:43:11 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] How do i logout users ? In-Reply-To: <41470F58.5060008@coll-outao.qc.ca> References: <41470F58.5060008@coll-outao.qc.ca> Message-ID: <4147118F.7000605@criticalcontrol.com> Guy Lessard wrote: > I have a k12ltsp V3.1.1 server with Novell authentication. > When i run top, it says i have 5 users still running and who says two > of them are students (the other three is root). All terminals are > properly shut down. > How do i logoff these sessions? > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see What process are still running? do a "ps aux" to see what process (+ process id) is still attached to these users. a kill -9 xxxx (where x = the process-id will stop that process) Has these process anything to do with pam_ncp or ncpmount? Pete From glessard at coll-outao.qc.ca Tue Sep 14 15:54:40 2004 From: glessard at coll-outao.qc.ca (Guy Lessard) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 11:54:40 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] How do i logout users ? In-Reply-To: <4147118F.7000605@criticalcontrol.com> References: <41470F58.5060008@coll-outao.qc.ca> <4147118F.7000605@criticalcontrol.com> Message-ID: <41471440.1070609@coll-outao.qc.ca> Pete wrote: > Guy Lessard wrote: > >> I have a k12ltsp V3.1.1 server with Novell authentication. >> When i run top, it says i have 5 users still running and who says two >> of them are students (the other three is root). All terminals are >> properly shut down. >> How do i logoff these sessions? >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > > What process are still running? > do a "ps aux" to see what process (+ process id) is still attached to > these users. > a kill -9 xxxx (where x = the process-id will stop that process) > > Has these process anything to do with pam_ncp or ncpmount? > > Pete > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > No process seems to be related to pam_ncp or ncpmount. Most of the processes still running are kde stuff. How can i get ps aux to relate processes with user sessions? I dont want to kill the wrong processes. From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Sep 14 16:45:42 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 09:45:42 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Found Something! re: CPU usage 4.1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1095180341.27423.15.camel@server.ltsp> New test IceWM packages with this patch have been uploaded to: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/ Give 'em a spin & let us know how it goes. Worked fine on my laptop... -Eric On Tue, 2004-09-14 at 07:47, David Trask wrote: > Good idea! Should work well. > > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Tue Sep 14 2004 at 02:10 +0000 wrote: > >I'm working on something like this... a /etc/sysconfig/icewm file > >containing: > > > > ICEWM_NAUTILUS=YES > > ICEWM_SESSION=YES > > > >and then the /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/IceWM would contain: > > > > #!/bin/bash > > if [ -f /etc/profile.d/ltsp-esound.sh ] > > then > > . /etc/profile.d/ltsp-esound.sh > > fi > > if [ -f /etc/sysconfig/icewm ] > > then > > . /etc/sysconfig/icewm > > fi > > if [ "$ICEWM_NAUTILUS" = "YES" ] > > then > > /usr/libexec/gnome-settings-daemon & > > /usr/bin/nautilus & > > fi > > if [ "$ICEWM_SESSION" = "YES" ] > > then > > exec /usr/bin/icewm-session > > else > > exec /usr/bin/icewm > > fi > > > >I think that would do the trick for making it easy to adjust > >how much resources the IceWM session type uses. Just edit > >/etc/sysconfig/icewm to turn various features on or off. > > > >-Eric > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From mwilliams at haywood.k12.nc.us Tue Sep 14 17:34:26 2004 From: mwilliams at haywood.k12.nc.us (Michael Williams) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 13:34:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Configuration Help Message-ID: <32870.10.20.1.2.1095183266.squirrel@10.20.1.2> Hey everyone, A neighboring county has decided to install four or five k12ltsp labs, and has run into some problems. I would love to help them out but our offices were flooded by Frances and we are in massive clean-up mode. I have sung your praises and hopefully they will be inquiring shortly. Their version of k12ltsp was an old one (3.1.2) and they want to push some proxy settings out to individual accounts, etc.... They have made a substantial commitment to k12ltsp so watch for Meagan from Henderson Co. Thanks Michael -- Michael Williams Haywood County Schools Technology Director Instructional Technology http://www.haywood.k12.nc.us (828) 627-8314 From petre at maltzen.net Tue Sep 14 19:19:30 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 14:19:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenMosix? Could it help my CPU issue? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41474442.4030007@maltzen.net> I think that a more simple route than implementing openmosix would be to have servers dedicated to individual applications. Creating a headless box, with no X running, dedicated to, say, OOo, wouldn't be too hard to setup. Petre David Trask wrote: >I think I know the answer, but I figured I'd ask. I've run >sysstat....vmstat...etc. No issues with RAM (I NEVER go into swap).....I >almost never have disk wait issues....so the only issue left....is CPU. I >notice it badly when kids are in FireFox or some other web browser and >playing Flash activities...etc. I also notice a huge jump in CPU when the >kids first launch apps....once loaded things calm down a lot. >Anyway....would OpenMosix help out here by putting more CPU power into the >mix? Not sure how OpenMosix works. Also...will web browsers benefit? Or >do they not migrate? Can anyone point me to a how to that would work with >my K12LTSP 4.1 server? > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >(207)923-3100 > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From mchavez at henderson.k12.nc.us Tue Sep 14 19:31:38 2004 From: mchavez at henderson.k12.nc.us (Meghan Chavez) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 15:31:38 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] proxy in Message-ID: I have installed k12ltsp on my linux server. Once I've set the proxy settings logged in as root, how do I set the proxy for all the users without having to set the prefences individually? From tim.scholten at gmail.com Tue Sep 14 19:34:49 2004 From: tim.scholten at gmail.com (Tim Scholten) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 12:34:49 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] proxy in In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://opensourceschools.org/article.php?story=20030326162402253 should point you in the right direction Tim On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 15:31:38 -0400, Meghan Chavez wrote: > I have installed k12ltsp on my linux server. Once I've set the proxy settings logged in as root, how do I set the proxy for all the users without having to set the prefences individually? > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From mchavez at henderson.k12.nc.us Tue Sep 14 19:52:48 2004 From: mchavez at henderson.k12.nc.us (Meghan Chavez) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 15:52:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Star Office Message-ID: We are trying to install StarOffice to our linux server so that all users have the ability to run the program and save files to their home directory. We have successfully installed StarOffice on the linux server, but we have to run through the install for each user who logs in which is troublesome since we have hundreds of users. Is there a shorter way of installing for every user? Can you please offer suggestions? From tlegge at rogers.com Tue Sep 14 19:53:09 2004 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 16:53:09 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] proxy in In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1095191589.7300.0.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> On Tue, 2004-09-14 at 16:31, Meghan Chavez wrote: > I have installed k12ltsp on my linux server. Once I've set the proxy settings logged in as root, how do I set the proxy for all the users without having to set the prefences individually? Hi I am assuming that you are talking about the proxy settings in your browser. Is that correct? Tim From pvdw at criticalcontrol.com Tue Sep 14 20:06:25 2004 From: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com (Pete) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 14:06:25 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Star Office In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41474F41.3030700@criticalcontrol.com> Meghan Chavez wrote: >We are trying to install StarOffice to our linux server so that all users have the ability to run the program and save files to their home directory. We have successfully installed StarOffice on the linux server, but we have to run through the install for each user who logs in which is troublesome since we have hundreds of users. Is there a shorter way of installing for every user? Can you please offer suggestions? > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > As far as I know you should be able to do the following : make a dummy user run the so workstation script for that dummy user in the dummy users /home/dir there will be a starofice7 directory now use this so7 dir as a template. Make a script: for every user copy the template dir into /home/user and run a sed script through it so that all occurences of /home/dummy are replaced by /home/$USER Done Pete From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Tue Sep 14 20:20:08 2004 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 15:20:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Win4Lin Message-ID: <41475278.9030206@honeygroveisd.net> Does anyone have any experience with or comments on Win4Lin or any other such Windows emulators running in a K12LTSP environment? Is there anything Win4Lin can do that WINE can't? I've got a couple of windows-only applications that I would really like to be able to run on my thin clients and WINE can't handle them. Any suggestions? -- C-ya, Mark ____ Cranberries are sorted for ripeness by bouncing them; a fully ripened cranberry can be dribbled like a basketball. From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Sep 14 20:27:08 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 13:27:08 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Star Office In-Reply-To: <41474F41.3030700@criticalcontrol.com> References: <41474F41.3030700@criticalcontrol.com> Message-ID: <1095193628.2790.8.camel@server.ltsp> On Tue, 2004-09-14 at 13:06, Pete wrote: > Meghan Chavez wrote: > > >We are trying to install StarOffice to our linux server so that all users > >have the ability to run the program and save files to their home directory. > >We have successfully installed StarOffice on the linux server, but we > >have to run through the install for each user who logs in which is troublesome > >since we have hundreds of users. Is there a shorter way of installing for > >every user? Can you please offer suggestions? > > > > > As far as I know you should be able to do the following : > make a dummy user > run the so workstation script for that dummy user > in the dummy users /home/dir there will be a starofice7 directory now > use this so7 dir as a template. > Make a script: > for every user copy the template dir into /home/user and run a sed > script through it so that all occurences of /home/dummy are replaced by > /home/$USER Nope, this doesn't work. The OOo config files are unique to every user. How OOo in K12LTSP works is by making oowriter, oocalc, etc into wrapper scripts that check to see if the user has OOo installed. If yes, it runs the app. If not, it runs the install using /etc/openoffice/autoresponse.conf as a template. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From scott at hancock.k12.mi.us Tue Sep 14 20:27:44 2004 From: scott at hancock.k12.mi.us (Scott Sherrill) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 16:27:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Win4Lin In-Reply-To: <41475278.9030206@honeygroveisd.net> References: <41475278.9030206@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: We use win4lin terminal server for our office staff on top of K12LTSP 3.1. It works well and we are pleased. Just note you have to have a complete windows install for each user, and the install must be local to the win4lin server. Just budget for that as you go. I use a rsync script I wrote, make a master image and blast to all staff so changes aren't bad. Everything has worked well except small applications based on FoxPro. For some reason they just don't work well for us on win4lin but everything else has been install and go. Depending on your scenario, Win4Lin does have the option to just run a single app. If you want your user(s) to have a Linux desktop but run selected windows apps you can do that with Win4Lin but you would still need to have an install for each user. >Does anyone have any experience with or comments on Win4Lin or any >other such Windows emulators running in a K12LTSP environment? Is >there anything Win4Lin can do that WINE can't? I've got a couple of >windows-only applications that I would really like to be able to run >on my thin clients and WINE can't handle them. Any suggestions? > >-- >C-ya, >Mark >____ >Cranberries are sorted for ripeness by bouncing them; a fully >ripened cranberry can be dribbled like a basketball. > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see From jackpal at cfl.rr.com Tue Sep 14 20:55:43 2004 From: jackpal at cfl.rr.com (Jack) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 16:55:43 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Fwd: "Stateless Linux" project In-Reply-To: <41465EA2.8090406@netscape.net> References: <20040914002839.84118.qmail@web12103.mail.yahoo.com> <41465EA2.8090406@netscape.net> Message-ID: <1095195343.2896.21.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> Just rejoice with the expected mirgration to Server 2003 thousands of > computers will be made "obsolete" and therefore available for schools as > thin-clients..... I can't wait !!!!! > > Could not have said it better myself !! Jack From bear2bar at netscape.net Tue Sep 14 21:04:24 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 17:04:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] GDM corrupt Message-ID: <41475CD8.9070207@netscape.net> Hi, Is there a replacement in FC2 for Xconfigurator ? thks norbert From brockn at gmail.com Tue Sep 14 21:36:49 2004 From: brockn at gmail.com (Brock Noland) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 16:36:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Win4Lin In-Reply-To: <41475278.9030206@honeygroveisd.net> References: <41475278.9030206@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <741dcbb804091414364ef518de@mail.gmail.com> you may want to try codeweavers.com's version of wine. Free trial. On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 15:20:08 -0500, Mark Cockrell wrote: > Does anyone have any experience with or comments on Win4Lin or any other > such Windows emulators running in a K12LTSP environment? Is there > anything Win4Lin can do that WINE can't? I've got a couple of > windows-only applications that I would really like to be able to run on > my thin clients and WINE can't handle them. Any suggestions? > > -- > C-ya, > Mark > ____ > Cranberries are sorted for ripeness by bouncing them; a fully ripened cranberry can be dribbled like a basketball. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- [Start Signature] My goal is to increase my emotional intelligence http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotional_intelligence In order to do this I need your help. Please critique me by direct contact or make general comments by using my anonymous comment form http://www.tc.umn.edu/~nola0066/comments.php [End Signature] From rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us Tue Sep 14 22:27:28 2004 From: rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us (Rick O'Dell) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 17:27:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] MailScanner Blacklist In-Reply-To: <001a01c49744$6dbbc8d0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: Ok, I do have one question. This is not going to adversely effect the existing incoming and outgoing mail is????? What I mean is, are we just creating another table for postfix to look in, or are we going to have to allow or disallow everyone starting from scratch???? Also I don't understand what this does. "hash:/etc/postfix.in/client_access" Guess I'm just scared and confused>>>>... Rick O'Dell Net Work Administrator Bakersfield R4 School Dst. Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Jim Kronebusch Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:43 AM To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] MailScanner Blacklist > Well, restarting the Server didn't fix it. Any other Ideas???? Okay here is what you would need to do assuming the answer to my last email was yes. Now depending on how your postfix is setup you may not have a separate instance for incoming and outgoing, in that case change any place I have "/etc/postfix.in" to "/etc/postfix" and things should work. I will just outline the steps quick, first modify your main.cf to use a client access table (you can google client_access to get a list of commands and explanations, I will show you how to prevent a user from connecting). Then create the file client_access and enter your IP's each on a new line followed by a tab and then the action to take. Next issue the postmap command on the file, and last restart MailScanner. # vi /etc/postfix.in/main.cf smtpd_recipient_restrictions = check_client_access hash:/etc/postfix.in/client_access # vi /etc/postfix.in/client_access 204.248.118.23 DISCARD 206.230.105.4 DISCARD # postmap /etc/postfix.in/client_access # /etc/init.d/MailScanner restart Let me know if you have any other questions. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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Version: 7.0.270 / Virus Database: 264.9.0 - Release Date: 9/13/2004 From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tue Sep 14 22:57:23 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 17:57:23 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Win4Lin In-Reply-To: <41475278.9030206@honeygroveisd.net> References: <41475278.9030206@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: What is is about them that wine won't handle? Error messages etc. might help. Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Tue, 14 Sep 2004, Mark Cockrell wrote: > Does anyone have any experience with or comments on Win4Lin or any other > such Windows emulators running in a K12LTSP environment? Is there > anything Win4Lin can do that WINE can't? I've got a couple of > windows-only applications that I would really like to be able to run on > my thin clients and WINE can't handle them. Any suggestions? > > -- > C-ya, > Mark > ____ > Cranberries are sorted for ripeness by bouncing them; a fully ripened cranberry can be dribbled like a basketball. > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Sep 14 23:06:52 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 16:06:52 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Star Office In-Reply-To: <1095193628.2790.8.camel@server.ltsp> References: <41474F41.3030700@criticalcontrol.com> <1095193628.2790.8.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <1095203212.2790.14.camel@server.ltsp> On Tue, 2004-09-14 at 13:27, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Tue, 2004-09-14 at 13:06, Pete wrote: > > > > > As far as I know you should be able to do the following : > > make a dummy user > > run the so workstation script for that dummy user > > in the dummy users /home/dir there will be a starofice7 directory now > > use this so7 dir as a template. > > Make a script: > > for every user copy the template dir into /home/user and run a sed > > script through it so that all occurences of /home/dummy are replaced by > > /home/$USER > > Nope, this doesn't work. The OOo config files are unique to every user. Ack, I missed the part about sed'ing /home/dummy to /home/$USER. This *should* work, I was wrong. Still, the OOo method of using a wrapper script is nice since it works transparently - it automatically does the install for new users the first time they to run an app. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From bear2bar at netscape.net Tue Sep 14 23:36:45 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 19:36:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Win4Lin In-Reply-To: References: <41475278.9030206@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <4147808D.7090204@netscape.net> Hi, After considering ALL factors specifically in an educational context, I wouldn't suggest either solution! We have tried them all and have come to the conclusion that, ( and note I have a great deal of disdain for M$ products!!! ), the best solution for multiple users where specific Windows applications are mandatory is to have a W2K server on the K12ltsp network and use rdesktop to open M$ sessions. Compare cost, compatibility & performance & the W2K server wins out. Now note that this uses costing for educational institutions as a benchmark for comparison. regards norbert simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us wrote: >What is is about them that wine won't handle? >Error messages etc. might help. > > > >Doug Simpson >Technology Specialist >DeQueen Public Schools >DeQueen, AR 71832 >simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >Tux for President! > >On Tue, 14 Sep 2004, Mark Cockrell wrote: > > > >>Does anyone have any experience with or comments on Win4Lin or any other >>such Windows emulators running in a K12LTSP environment? Is there >>anything Win4Lin can do that WINE can't? I've got a couple of >>windows-only applications that I would really like to be able to run on >>my thin clients and WINE can't handle them. Any suggestions? >> >>-- >>C-ya, >>Mark >>____ >>Cranberries are sorted for ripeness by bouncing them; a fully ripened cranberry can be dribbled like a basketball. >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Sep 15 01:07:06 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 21:07:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenMosix? Could it help my CPU issue? In-Reply-To: <41474442.4030007@maltzen.net> References: <41474442.4030007@maltzen.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 at 3:19 PM +0000 wrote: >I think that a more simple route than implementing openmosix would be to >have servers dedicated to individual applications. Creating a headless >box, with no X running, dedicated to, say, OOo, wouldn't be too hard to >setup. > >Petre Yeah but....I remember a whole thread about creating keys and all that for each user...etc....etc. to set up an application server. Is there a simpler (even if less secure) way of doing it? Can someone tell me how? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Sep 15 01:21:02 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 21:21:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Win4Lin In-Reply-To: <4147808D.7090204@netscape.net> References: <41475278.9030206@honeygroveisd.net> < > <4147808D.7090204@netscape.net> Message-ID: I have to agree with Norbert. I'm actually in the midst of my "experiment" at this point and I must say it's working great! I bought a Windows 2003 Terminal Server CD and 100 Terminal Server CALs (not bad....I spent $400+ in all I think). I installed it on my old K12LTSP server (dual Pentuim III 1.x ghz....3 GB RAM) and simply joined the domain. Since my Samba/LDAP server is the PDC hosting all the home dirs and roaming profiles....setting this thing up was almost as easy as setting up K12LTSP. I didn't have to add any users since all authentication and so forth is on my Samba/LDAP server. Now....all my users do to get to the Windows Terminal Server is fire up their Linux terminal....log in....go to the IceWM start menu....click on "Connect to Windows"....enter their password (username and domain are already filled in since I use the following command rdesktop -f -a 16 -d mydomain 10.0.6.254 The Windows desktop comes up and away they go! It's fast and since it's a seperate session I've noticed virtually zero impact on the rest of my K12LTSP network....the CPU on the K12LTSP server isn't affected at all and the bandwidth doesn't seem to be any worse than a traditional LTSP session. It's proving to be a great way to have our cake and eat it too. 90% of the time the kids work in Linux, but I am also using PowerPoint (once in a while) and so forth to draw the parallels between that and OO so the kids can be exposed to and use whatever they may encounter. Kinda' like driver's ed....we don't teach kids to drive Fords...we teach them to drive cars. We don't teach Windows...we teach concepts that apply to any app...Windows, Linux or Mac OS X....etc. (Although we all prefer Linux :-) ) "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 at 7:36 PM +0000 wrote: >Hi, > >After considering ALL factors specifically in an educational context, I >wouldn't suggest either solution! We have tried them all and have come to >the conclusion that, ( and note I have a great deal of disdain for M$ >products!!! ), the best solution for multiple users where specific >Windows applications are mandatory is to have a W2K server on the K12ltsp >network and use rdesktop to open M$ sessions. >Compare cost, compatibility & performance & the W2K server wins out. Now >note that this uses costing for educational institutions as a benchmark >for comparison. > >regards >norbert David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From robark at telus.net Wed Sep 15 04:33:38 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 21:33:38 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Security fixes Message-ID: <4147C622.2060509@telus.net> I noticed there was a libPNG security fix this summer for Linux. I am wondering how to install security fixes to our school k12ltsp server which is running 3.1.2 ? There have been other security fixes since Redhat 9 like Mozilla updates. What are the most important security fixes for 3.1.2 and how do I install them? Robert A From robark at telus.net Wed Sep 15 04:44:01 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 21:44:01 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Purge Users = YES Message-ID: <4147C891.40204@telus.net> I set PURGE_USERS=YES in /etc/sysconfig/k12ltsp but I can still log in to 2 machines with the same username. Even after rebooting the server. Why? What am I missing? Robert A From steve at hargadon.com Wed Sep 15 04:27:36 2004 From: steve at hargadon.com (steve at hargadon.com) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 00:27:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Win4Lin Message-ID: <111790-22004931542736256@M2W053.mail2web.com> I purchased from Microsoft their dealer "action pack" which has copies of most of their productivity and server software only for demonstration and development use. It was $400, but only had 10 cals of most product. If I'm not mistaken, a regular user could spend in excess of $10k in licensing for Windows 2003 plus CALs plus Terminal Services CALs. Did you get your software through an educational deal? I have set up Windows Server 2003 for access from LTSP, and have really liked it as well. But I've felt the price was going to be prohibitive. Would love to find out more about exactly what you bought and where. See http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/howtobuy/licensing/pricing.mspx for estimated standard retail. If a school can get 100 users for $400, it would seem to be a no-brainer. I've also read that Win2003 supports sound through Windows Terminals Services. Since I'm such a novice I haven't tackled sound yet on LTSP, but am wondering if you have sound and if it's working with your Windows box? Steve Hargadon Original Message: ----------------- From: David Trask dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 21:21:02 -0400 To: k12osn at redhat.com, k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Win4Lin I have to agree with Norbert. I'm actually in the midst of my "experiment" at this point and I must say it's working great! I bought a Windows 2003 Terminal Server CD and 100 Terminal Server CALs (not bad....I spent $400+ in all I think). I installed it on my old K12LTSP server (dual Pentuim III 1.x ghz....3 GB RAM) and simply joined the domain. Since my Samba/LDAP server is the PDC hosting all the home dirs and roaming profiles....setting this thing up was almost as easy as setting up K12LTSP. I didn't have to add any users since all authentication and so forth is on my Samba/LDAP server. Now....all my users do to get to the Windows Terminal Server is fire up their Linux terminal....log in....go to the IceWM start menu....click on "Connect to Windows"....enter their password (username and domain are already filled in since I use the following command rdesktop -f -a 16 -d mydomain 10.0.6.254 The Windows desktop comes up and away they go! It's fast and since it's a seperate session I've noticed virtually zero impact on the rest of my K12LTSP network....the CPU on the K12LTSP server isn't affected at all and the bandwidth doesn't seem to be any worse than a traditional LTSP session. It's proving to be a great way to have our cake and eat it too. 90% of the time the kids work in Linux, but I am also using PowerPoint (once in a while) and so forth to draw the parallels between that and OO so the kids can be exposed to and use whatever they may encounter. Kinda' like driver's ed....we don't teach kids to drive Fords...we teach them to drive cars. We don't teach Windows...we teach concepts that apply to any app...Windows, Linux or Mac OS X....etc. (Although we all prefer Linux :-) ) "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 at 7:36 PM +0000 wrote: >Hi, > >After considering ALL factors specifically in an educational context, I >wouldn't suggest either solution! We have tried them all and have come to >the conclusion that, ( and note I have a great deal of disdain for M$ >products!!! ), the best solution for multiple users where specific >Windows applications are mandatory is to have a W2K server on the K12ltsp >network and use rdesktop to open M$ sessions. >Compare cost, compatibility & performance & the W2K server wins out. Now >note that this uses costing for educational institutions as a benchmark >for comparison. > >regards >norbert David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Wed Sep 15 03:58:07 2004 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 15:58:07 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Win4Lin Message-ID: <4147bdcf.375.40d6.1147@clear.net.nz> Hi Brock, I set up W4L on LTSP once. It runs Win98 alright, with MS Office & Pub 2000. We had 30 P75's with 16 MB ram as terminals. Go to their website and look for the 'recipes'. I'm not sure if they are supporting anything past WinME though, so that might be a gotcha. Check for some of my messages in the archives. Cheers, Bert ----- Original Message Follows ----- > you may want to try codeweavers.com's version of wine. > Free trial. > > > On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 15:20:08 -0500, Mark Cockrell > wrote: > > Does anyone have any experience with or comments on > > Win4Lin or any other such Windows emulators running in a > > K12LTSP environment? Is there anything Win4Lin can do > > that WINE can't? I've got a couple of windows-only > > applications that I would really like to be able to run > on my thin clients and WINE can't handle them. Any > > suggestions? > > -- > > C-ya, > > Mark > > ____ > > Cranberries are sorted for ripeness by bouncing them; a > > fully ripened cranberry can be dribbled like a > > basketball. > > _______________________________________________ K12OSN > > mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > -- > [Start Signature] > > My goal is to increase my emotional intelligence > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotional_intelligence In > order to do this I need your help. Please critique me by > direct contact or make general comments by using my > anonymous comment form > http://www.tc.umn.edu/~nola0066/comments.php > > [End Signature] > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From bear2bar at netscape.net Wed Sep 15 01:35:20 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 21:35:20 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Win4Lin In-Reply-To: References: <41475278.9030206@honeygroveisd.net> < > <4147808D.7090204@netscape.net> Message-ID: <41479C58.6010101@netscape.net> Hi David, Believe it was a difficult decision !!! After working like hell to get M$ out of the lab, there I was having to sneak in a W2K server :-( . Why W2K versus Server 2003....... well for one the testing of Server 2003 although impressive on the performance side was a paid on the security & notification part, second there was no viable educational discount and last but most important, the local computer recycling/refurbishing has an agreement with M$ where both the server AND CALS are free for non-profit, i.e. educational. So all facts considered this was the best one. Just a note of caution the M$ server needs to be a high powered machine !!!! nb. During the demo of an rdesktop session to the school, the single fact that convinced them that this was real, i.e not some fancy programming trick, was when the BSD -> Blue Screen of Death appeared in the terminal session. Then when I simply switched to another active window and continued working oblivious to the M$ crash it finally sunk in ....... norbert dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us wrote: >I have to agree with Norbert. I'm actually in the midst of my >"experiment" at this point and I must say it's working great! I bought a >Windows 2003 Terminal Server CD and 100 Terminal Server CALs (not bad....I >spent $400+ in all I think). I installed it on my old K12LTSP server >(dual Pentuim III 1.x ghz....3 GB RAM) and simply joined the domain. >Since my Samba/LDAP server is the PDC hosting all the home dirs and >roaming profiles....setting this thing up was almost as easy as setting up >K12LTSP. I didn't have to add any users since all authentication and so >forth is on my Samba/LDAP server. Now....all my users do to get to the >Windows Terminal Server is fire up their Linux terminal....log in....go to >the IceWM start menu....click on "Connect to Windows"....enter their >password (username and domain are already filled in since I use the >following command rdesktop -f -a 16 -d mydomain 10.0.6.254 The >Windows desktop comes up and away they go! It's fast and since it's a >seperate session I've noticed virtually zero impact on the rest of my >K12LTSP network....the CPU on the K12LTSP server isn't affected at all and >the bandwidth doesn't seem to be any worse than a traditional LTSP >session. It's proving to be a great way to have our cake and eat it too. >90% of the time the kids work in Linux, but I am also using PowerPoint >(once in a while) and so forth to draw the parallels between that and OO >so the kids can be exposed to and use whatever they may encounter. Kinda' >like driver's ed....we don't teach kids to drive Fords...we teach them to >drive cars. We don't teach Windows...we teach concepts that apply to any >app...Windows, Linux or Mac OS X....etc. (Although we all prefer Linux >:-) ) > >"Support list for opensource software in schools." on >Tuesday, September 14, 2004 at 7:36 PM +0000 wrote: > > >>Hi, >> >>After considering ALL factors specifically in an educational context, I >>wouldn't suggest either solution! We have tried them all and have come to >>the conclusion that, ( and note I have a great deal of disdain for M$ >>products!!! ), the best solution for multiple users where specific >>Windows applications are mandatory is to have a W2K server on the K12ltsp >>network and use rdesktop to open M$ sessions. >>Compare cost, compatibility & performance & the W2K server wins out. Now >>note that this uses costing for educational institutions as a benchmark >>for comparison. >> >>regards >>norbert >> >> > > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >(207)923-3100 > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From haysja at sages.us Wed Sep 15 01:57:39 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 20:57:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Win4Lin In-Reply-To: References: <41475278.9030206@honeygroveisd.net> < > <4147808D.7090204@netscape.net> Message-ID: <1095213459.4147a193937de@sages.us> David. Are you sure you have the right licenses? The last time I checked TSCALs were about $40 each. (Granted, this was a few years ago.) 100 would be in the $4,000 range, not the $400 range. You might get that many SERVER CALS for that amount, but not TS CALS. When I installed a MS TS Lab a few years ago, I was seriously considering this route, but quickly found that, with the proper licensing, I wouln not save any money. Also, you need an Office license for each workstation as well. Quoting David Trask : > I have to agree with Norbert. I'm actually in the midst of my > "experiment" at this point and I must say it's working great! I bought a > Windows 2003 Terminal Server CD and 100 Terminal Server CALs (not bad....I > spent $400+ in all I think). I installed it on my old K12LTSP server > (dual Pentuim III 1.x ghz....3 GB RAM) and simply joined the domain. > Since my Samba/LDAP server is the PDC hosting all the home dirs and > roaming profiles....setting this thing up was almost as easy as setting up > K12LTSP. I didn't have to add any users since all authentication and so > forth is on my Samba/LDAP server. Now....all my users do to get to the > Windows Terminal Server is fire up their Linux terminal....log in....go to > the IceWM start menu....click on "Connect to Windows"....enter their > password (username and domain are already filled in since I use the > following command rdesktop -f -a 16 -d mydomain 10.0.6.254 The > Windows desktop comes up and away they go! It's fast and since it's a > seperate session I've noticed virtually zero impact on the rest of my > K12LTSP network....the CPU on the K12LTSP server isn't affected at all and > the bandwidth doesn't seem to be any worse than a traditional LTSP > session. It's proving to be a great way to have our cake and eat it too. > 90% of the time the kids work in Linux, but I am also using PowerPoint > (once in a while) and so forth to draw the parallels between that and OO > so the kids can be exposed to and use whatever they may encounter. Kinda' > like driver's ed....we don't teach kids to drive Fords...we teach them to > drive cars. We don't teach Windows...we teach concepts that apply to any > app...Windows, Linux or Mac OS X....etc. (Although we all prefer Linux > :-) ) > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Tuesday, September 14, 2004 at 7:36 PM +0000 wrote: > >Hi, > > > >After considering ALL factors specifically in an educational context, I > >wouldn't suggest either solution! We have tried them all and have come to > >the conclusion that, ( and note I have a great deal of disdain for M$ > >products!!! ), the best solution for multiple users where specific > >Windows applications are mandatory is to have a W2K server on the K12ltsp > >network and use rdesktop to open M$ sessions. > >Compare cost, compatibility & performance & the W2K server wins out. Now > >note that this uses costing for educational institutions as a benchmark > >for comparison. > > > >regards > >norbert > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ----------------------------------------- Jim Hays Technology Director Monticello CUSD#25 Monticello, IL 61856 ----------------------------------------- From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Sep 15 05:51:26 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:51:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Security fixes In-Reply-To: <4147C622.2060509@telus.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 14 Sep 2004, Robert Arkiletian wrote: >I noticed there was a libPNG security fix this summer for Linux. I am >wondering how to install security fixes to our school k12ltsp server >which is running 3.1.2 ? There have been other security fixes since >Redhat 9 like Mozilla updates. > >What are the most important security fixes for 3.1.2 and how do I >install them? Security updates for K12LTSP 3.1.2 now originate from the Fedora Legacy project, http://www.fedoralegacy.org I mirror the updated packages to the K12LTSP apt/yum repository, so if you use apt or yum you'll have the latest packages that I have. If you prefer to use up2date rather than apt or yum, I back-ported the Fedora 1 version of up2date (which uses apt and yum repositories). You can download these at: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/3.1.3/RPMS/ -Eric From usernamenumber at gmail.com Wed Sep 15 06:12:02 2004 From: usernamenumber at gmail.com (Brad Smith) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 23:12:02 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Miscelaneous questions: Customizing menus and booting PowerPC "Chubby Clients" Message-ID: Hello all, First, an update on my progress. Then I have some questions, only a couple of which are actually mac-related, so bear with me. I'd appreciate any advice that can be offered. Thanks to some advice on this list and a great deal of tinkering around, I have managed to get an ancient Powermac G3 up and running as an ltsp client. It's currently running Yellow Dog Linux ver 2.1 (anything later didn't make it past the installer), with a tweaked inittab that just has it do an "X -query 192.168.0.254" to access the ltsp server. In my messings-around with it since I've run into a few things I have questions about: 1) YDL seems to simply ignore any attempts to mount and nfs root partition. Nfs support is in the kernel, but the nfsroot=... arg seems to simply get ignored. Anyone know about this? 2) Do I really need to care about the system not nfs-booting? Since the machine has its own local root partition it can boot and connect to the server fine. I lose the system-specific config options in lts.conf, but the network will be heterogenous, so that shouldn't be too much of a problem. Am I missing anything? ...now the non-mac stuff: 3) Whenever I try to add/modify a menu entry (say the 'Education' menu) I get an error about 'Application:Education/.directory' being on a read-only filesystem. As far as I can tell, this must be referring to /usr/share/applnk/Education, but it is writable by root, who I am logged in as. 5) Ultimately I'm trying to figure out the easiest means by which I can trim the menu of available applications to eliminate things that the average student is just going to be confused by and then push the customized menus out to students or groups thereof. How nice would it be, for example, to have different, age/subject appropriate, simplified menus for each grade? Has anyone accomplished this? Are non-gnome window mangers any better for it? I tried with icewm but, while it's faster, the menus were, well, ugly and probably even more confusing for a kid than the gnome menu. 6) What next? I appreciate the fact that k12ltsp comes with educational software, but are there any "must have" educational apps that aren't included? The school I'm working with will be mostly middle schoolers. Huge thanks in advance for any help, --Brad From jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org Wed Sep 15 07:16:20 2004 From: jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org (Jonathan Carter) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 09:16:20 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] CPU usage way up! What to do? In-Reply-To: <1095088198.1945.302.camel@penguin> References: <1095088157.2896.16.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> <1095088198.1945.302.camel@penguin> Message-ID: <4147EC44.3040008@shuttleworthfoundation.org> Josiah Ritchie wrote: >Did you implement any kind of CPU quota or something to decrease this >issue or did you just block the sites? Just curious atm. > >JSR/ > > Is there a way to implement CPU quotas on users? Could you point me to documentation/howto's perhaps? Thanks -Jonathan From les at futuresource.com Wed Sep 15 12:58:31 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 07:58:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Security fixes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1095253110.11175.15.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-09-15 at 00:51, Eric Harrison wrote: > Security updates for K12LTSP 3.1.2 now originate from the Fedora > Legacy project, http://www.fedoralegacy.org > > I mirror the updated packages to the K12LTSP apt/yum repository, > so if you use apt or yum you'll have the latest packages that I > have. What should be in the apt/yum config files to use this repository? --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From petre at maltzen.net Wed Sep 15 13:07:56 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 08:07:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Star Office In-Reply-To: <1095203212.2790.14.camel@server.ltsp> References: <41474F41.3030700@criticalcontrol.com> <1095193628.2790.8.camel@server.ltsp> <1095203212.2790.14.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <41483EAC.701@maltzen.net> Just an additional comment on Eric's comment: In wanting to upgrade OOo from 1.1.0 to 1.1.1, but also being a chicken, I didn't want to remove the 1.1.0 version. So, I installed 1.1.1 in a different directory, and then modified the /usr/bin/oowriter et al scripts to call the OOo in the new location. That worked okay with Icewm's icons and menus. But I also have XWC installed for the file manager, and telling it to use oowriter to open .doc files wasn't working, but telling it to use /opt/OOo1.1.1/bin/swriter did work. Not sure why, though. Petre Eric Harrison wrote: >On Tue, 2004-09-14 at 13:27, Eric Harrison wrote: > > >>On Tue, 2004-09-14 at 13:06, Pete wrote: >> >> > > > >>>As far as I know you should be able to do the following : >>>make a dummy user >>>run the so workstation script for that dummy user >>>in the dummy users /home/dir there will be a starofice7 directory now >>>use this so7 dir as a template. >>>Make a script: >>> for every user copy the template dir into /home/user and run a sed >>>script through it so that all occurences of /home/dummy are replaced by >>>/home/$USER >>> >>> >>Nope, this doesn't work. The OOo config files are unique to every user. >> >> > >Ack, I missed the part about sed'ing /home/dummy to /home/$USER. This >*should* work, I was wrong. > >Still, the OOo method of using a wrapper script is nice since it works >transparently - it automatically does the install for new users the >first time they to run an app. > >-Eric > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Sep 15 13:11:55 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 08:11:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] MailScanner Blacklist In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001d01c49b25$92b22460$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > Ok, I do have one question. This is not going > to adversely effect the existing incoming and outgoing mail > is????? What I mean is, are we just creating another table > for postfix to look in, or are we going to have to allow or > disallow everyone starting from scratch???? Also I don't > understand what this does. "hash:/etc/postfix.in/client_access" > Guess I'm just scared and confused>>>>... I wish I could say I understand it 100% as well but I can't. But I do know that this table will only be used as an exception list. What I mean is all mail from all IP's will process according to all other rules, unless an IP is listed in this table, then whatever action is specified will take place. So in answer to your question NO, you will not have to list every IP you want to accept mail from, only list the handful you want to block. As far as the "hash:/etc/postfix.in/client_access", this just lets it know that the specified file is a list of values to look through, the "hash" lets it know how to break it up (explained to the best of my knowledge). So just make sure you follow the steps I listed and whatever is in the client_access list will be the only IP's affected. Does that make you feel any better? I know I was still nervous :-) Especially since I had to piece this together with the help of a few tutorials. Bright side is, all you have to do to turn it off is remove the "hash:/etc/postfix.in/client_access" and restart MailScanner if things go wrong. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.744 / Virus Database: 496 - Release Date: 8/24/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From staffords at glenburn.net Wed Sep 15 13:47:21 2004 From: staffords at glenburn.net (Shane Stafford) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 09:47:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Win4Lin In-Reply-To: References: <41475278.9030206@honeygroveisd.net> < > <, > <, > <4147808D.7090204@netscape.net> <,> Message-ID: wait, David, you got 100 Cals for Terminal server for $400? $4 each? let me know if I missed the correct price. Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer S & B Consulting From usernamenumber at gmail.com Wed Sep 15 13:59:37 2004 From: usernamenumber at gmail.com (Brad Smith) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 06:59:37 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] CPU usage way up! What to do? In-Reply-To: <4147EC44.3040008@shuttleworthfoundation.org> References: <1095088157.2896.16.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> <1095088198.1945.302.camel@penguin> <4147EC44.3040008@shuttleworthfoundation.org> Message-ID: Yes, CPU limits (and many other kinds of limit) can be specified in the file /etc/security/limits.conf The file has comments inside it that document usage and provide examples, but bascially the syntax is: who-to-limit soft|hard what-to-limit how-much Something I commonly do something like this this: @students hard nproc 50 This limits the number of concurrent processes allowed to each member of the 'students' group (the '@' denotes a group) to 50. I could have used '*' instead of '@students' to have the limit apply to everyone. A 'hard' limit is a limit that cannot be changed. Users can use a utility called 'ulimit' to alter their soft limits. Anyway, this file lets you limits all kinds of stuff including the number of minutes used by the CPU in fullfilling requests by the give users' programs. However, I'm not sure the exact value you should use. I assume this number is an average relative to the CPU use of others over time and so builds up but then decreases over time. Otherwise students would be locked out once they hit their limit. Unfortunately I don't know the details of it. Can someone else please clarify? --Brad From petre at maltzen.net Wed Sep 15 14:04:01 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 09:04:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenMosix? Could it help my CPU issue? In-Reply-To: References: <41474442.4030007@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <41484BD1.3040401@maltzen.net> If security isn't an issue, you could use rsh to call the app on the app server. The tricky part is getting the DISPLAY variable set correctly, dynamically. SSH does this for you automatically, so that's its advantage but then you have to deal with the keys. I recall reading that Dave Richards of the City of Largo, FL said that they use dedicated app servers for *all* their apps, and they call them using rsh; so you might contact him to ask for the syntax they use to do so. Petre David Trask wrote: >"Support list for opensource software in schools." on >Tuesday, September 14, 2004 at 3:19 PM +0000 wrote: > > >>I think that a more simple route than implementing openmosix would be to >>have servers dedicated to individual applications. Creating a headless >>box, with no X running, dedicated to, say, OOo, wouldn't be too hard to >>setup. >> >>Petre >> >> > >Yeah but....I remember a whole thread about creating keys and all that for >each user...etc....etc. to set up an application server. Is there a >simpler (even if less secure) way of doing it? Can someone tell me how? > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >(207)923-3100 > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Sep 15 14:20:29 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:20:29 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Plea for Offlist sed/awk help... Message-ID: <41484FAD.1000202@inlandlakes.org> I'm really sorry to ask for plain old help -- but I have to get some data mangled, and sed/awk is kicking my butt. :) I have one big data file that I need to modify before I can "awk" it into different files/folders. I'm more comfortable with awk than with sed, so here's my problem: I need to take a chunk of data (that has been awked out of the big data file) and remove all the spaces, then chop off the last 2 characters. After that, I'm pretty sure I can use awk to create folders based on certain fields, and copy specific data into files named by other fields. It's just that bit of "seding" that has got me... Here's a sample of my chunk of the specific field of data: "MAT 101 6 8" "WBL -J 7 8" "NCMC443 6 3" That reminds me, I also need to strip those darn quotes out too. :) I've read 100 sed tutorials, and what seems like a simple thing I just can't get to work. If any kind souls would give me a hand offlist, I'd be ever so greatful. Thanks in advance, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Sep 15 14:41:29 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:41:29 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenMosix? Could it help my CPU issue? In-Reply-To: <41484BD1.3040401@maltzen.net> References: < > <41474442.4030007@maltzen.net> < > <41484BD1.3040401@maltzen.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wed Sep 15 2004 at 10:04 +0000 wrote: >Dave Richards of the City of Largo, FL said that they use dedicated >app servers for *all* their apps, and they call them using rsh; so you >might contact him to ask for the syntax they use to do so. Anyone know how to reach him? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk Wed Sep 15 14:34:50 2004 From: gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk (Gavin Spurgeon) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 15:34:50 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenMosix? Could it help my CPU issue? References: <41474442.4030007@maltzen.net> <41484BD1.3040401@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <002001c49b31$2d021330$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Hi All... If your looking @ an App-Server approach, it may be worth looking @ one of the HOWTOz I made on how to set this up in some easy to follow Steps... This HOWTO is @ http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net/k12ltsp/appserverI.htm but my site has a few more HOWTOz with other subjects as well @ http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net > If security isn't an issue, you could use rsh to call the app on the app > server. The tricky part is getting the DISPLAY variable set correctly, > dynamically. SSH does this for you automatically, so that's its > advantage but then you have to deal with the keys. I recall reading > that Dave Richards of the City of Largo, FL said that they use dedicated > app servers for *all* their apps, and they call them using rsh; so you > might contact him to ask for the syntax they use to do so. Best Regards Gavin Spurgeon Assistant Systems Administrator gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tel: 01322 620400 DDI: 01322 620501 IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 ############################################# Unofficial K12LTSP HOWTOz & Extraz Site (http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net) ############################################# From pvdw at criticalcontrol.com Wed Sep 15 14:36:24 2004 From: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com (Pete) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 08:36:24 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Plea for Offlist sed/awk help... In-Reply-To: <41484FAD.1000202@inlandlakes.org> References: <41484FAD.1000202@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <41485368.4050008@criticalcontrol.com> Quick and dirty pwildenb at unpocoloco:~> more testfile.txt "MAT 101 6 8" "WBL -J 7 8" "NCMC443 6 3" pwildenb at unpocoloco:~> sed -e"s/\"//g" -e"s/ //g" testfile.txt > testfileOUT.txt pwildenb at unpocoloco:~> more testfileOUT.txt MAT10168 WBL-J78 NCMC44363 Pete Shawn Powers wrote: > I'm really sorry to ask for plain old help -- but I have to get some > data mangled, and sed/awk is kicking my butt. :) > > I have one big data file that I need to modify before I can "awk" it > into different files/folders. I'm more comfortable with awk than with > sed, so here's my problem: > > I need to take a chunk of data (that has been awked out of the big > data file) and remove all the spaces, then chop off the last 2 > characters. After that, I'm pretty sure I can use awk to create > folders based on certain fields, and copy specific data into files > named by other fields. It's just that bit of "seding" that has got me... > > Here's a sample of my chunk of the specific field of data: > > "MAT 101 6 8" > "WBL -J 7 8" > "NCMC443 6 3" > > That reminds me, I also need to strip those darn quotes out too. :) > > I've read 100 sed tutorials, and what seems like a simple thing I just > can't get to work. If any kind souls would give me a hand offlist, > I'd be ever so greatful. > > Thanks in advance, > -Shawn From glessard at coll-outao.qc.ca Wed Sep 15 14:48:01 2004 From: glessard at coll-outao.qc.ca (Guy Lessard) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:48:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] How do i logout users ? In-Reply-To: <4147118F.7000605@criticalcontrol.com> References: <41470F58.5060008@coll-outao.qc.ca> <4147118F.7000605@criticalcontrol.com> Message-ID: <41485621.4030203@coll-outao.qc.ca> Very strange, with the below commands, there is no processes linked to these users sessions. :-\ I will just reboot the server, that should clear these two sessions and i will monitor more closely what is going on. Thank Pete. ------------------------------ From man ps : -u select by effective user ID (supports names) U select processes for specified users example ps -U username or ps aux | grep username Pete From les at futuresource.com Wed Sep 15 14:50:33 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 09:50:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Plea for Offlist sed/awk help... In-Reply-To: <41484FAD.1000202@inlandlakes.org> References: <41484FAD.1000202@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <1095259832.1206.3.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-09-15 at 09:20, Shawn Powers wrote: > I'm really sorry to ask for plain old help -- but I have to get some > data mangled, and sed/awk is kicking my butt. :) That's why perl exists... > I have one big data file that I need to modify before I can "awk" it > into different files/folders. I'm more comfortable with awk than with > sed, so here's my problem: > Perl can do all of the same things as sed and awk and then some with fairly similar syntax. > I need to take a chunk of data (that has been awked out of the big data > file) and remove all the spaces, then chop off the last 2 characters. > After that, I'm pretty sure I can use awk to create folders based on > certain fields, and copy specific data into files named by other fields. > It's just that bit of "seding" that has got me... > > Here's a sample of my chunk of the specific field of data: > > "MAT 101 6 8" > "WBL -J 7 8" > "NCMC443 6 3" > > That reminds me, I also need to strip those darn quotes out too. :) sed -e 's/"//g' -e 's/ *//g' -e 's/..$//' That's 'substitute " with nothing', 'substiture any number of spaces with nothing', and 'substitute the last 2 characters with nothing' --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From linuxsys at davisny.edu Wed Sep 15 14:51:49 2004 From: linuxsys at davisny.edu (Calvin Park) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:51:49 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Language support Message-ID: <1095259909.13885.5.camel@localhost> Okay all, I just got out of a meeting with an Associate Dean here at the college and he wants Korean language support in our Linux lab like...yesterday. When I try to select Korean as the language it just gives me boxes with like "C2B7" and the like in them. Step by step instructions would be very helpful, or somewhere where I can get said instructions. Korean language support is vital to our international students being able to communicate with their parents and relatives who are residing in their native countries. Thanks in advance all. -- Calvin Park Assistant for Linux Systems Computer Services Department Davis College: A Practical college of Bible and Ministry web: www.davisny.edu email: linuxsys at davisny.edu phone: 607.729.1581 ext 404 From pvdw at criticalcontrol.com Wed Sep 15 15:00:36 2004 From: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com (Pete) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 09:00:36 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] FreeNX ... to much bleeding edge? Message-ID: <41485914.6090804@criticalcontrol.com> K12LTSP - lovers : My cry for help yesterday didn't get much answers... The good news is that I got a FreeNX server going on the K12LTSP 4.1 test box. (I can open a nx session inside a normal client session using nxviewer :-) ) Now I am strugling on the 'screen script' part... probably because I don't grasp the full architecture of X & NX... Anybody out there that has the start of such a script in the drawer? I looked at the existing once and tried to modify them but failed so far... Thanks Pete From petre at maltzen.net Wed Sep 15 15:00:38 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:00:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenMosix? Could it help my CPU issue? In-Reply-To: References: < > <41474442.4030007@maltzen.net> < > <41484BD1.3040401@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <41485916.9000302@maltzen.net> You'll find his email address on this page: http://dot.kde.org/995949998/ (Found by searching google for '"city of largo" kde dave') Petre David Trask wrote: >"Support list for opensource software in schools." on >Wed Sep 15 2004 at 10:04 +0000 wrote: > > >>Dave Richards of the City of Largo, FL said that they use dedicated >>app servers for *all* their apps, and they call them using rsh; so you >>might contact him to ask for the syntax they use to do so. >> >> > >Anyone know how to reach him? > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >(207)923-3100 > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From mchavez at henderson.k12.nc.us Wed Sep 15 15:12:37 2004 From: mchavez at henderson.k12.nc.us (Meghan Chavez) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 11:12:37 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] proxy in In-Reply-To: <1095191589.7300.0.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> References: <1095191589.7300.0.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> Message-ID: FYI.. This was fixed by entering proxy information into the /usr/lb/mozilla-1.2.1/defaults/pref/all.js file. From cwt137 at yahoo.com Wed Sep 15 15:44:30 2004 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 08:44:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] FreeNX ... to much bleeding edge? In-Reply-To: <41485914.6090804@criticalcontrol.com> Message-ID: <20040915154430.75811.qmail@web12101.mail.yahoo.com> I would help with a screen script if I knew how to get the freenx server installed on my k12ltsp box. Got a HOWTO? Chris --- Pete wrote: > > K12LTSP - lovers : > > My cry for help yesterday didn't get much answers... > The good news is that I got a FreeNX server going on > the K12LTSP 4.1 > test box. > (I can open a nx session inside a normal client > session using nxviewer :-) ) > > Now I am strugling on the 'screen script' part... > probably because I don't grasp the full architecture > of X & NX... > > Anybody out there that has the start of such a > script in the drawer? > I looked at the existing once and tried to modify > them but failed so far... > > Thanks > > Pete > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Sep 15 16:11:18 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 12:11:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Plea for Offlist sed/awk help... In-Reply-To: <1095259832.1206.3.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <41484FAD.1000202@inlandlakes.org> <1095259832.1206.3.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <414869A6.5080500@inlandlakes.org> Les, Pete -- you guys are awesome. Thank you so much. Next time you're in Northern Michigan, look me up, I owe you one. :) Thanks again, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Wed Sep 15 16:56:23 2004 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 11:56:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Printer troubles Message-ID: <41487437.2080608@honeygroveisd.net> Hello all, I've got an HP Color LaserJet 4500 printer connected to my K12LTSP 4.01 server via the JetDirect card, and lately things are printing very, very slowly. When I initially set up the lab, things printed within a few seconds, now it's taking 2 to 3 minutes per page of plain text. "Top" shows that the CPU and Memory usage to be minimal, so I don't think that's the problem. What can I do to optimize the printing process? Any thoughts? -- C-ya, Mark ____ "A flashlight is basically a tin can for transporting dead batteries." -- Walt Mooney From lsrpm at mts.net Wed Sep 15 17:42:45 2004 From: lsrpm at mts.net (Liam Marshall) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 12:42:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Icewm default Message-ID: <41487F15.9000302@mts.net> how do I force all the thin clients to icewm as the default desktop? From pvdw at criticalcontrol.com Wed Sep 15 18:54:27 2004 From: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com (Pete) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 12:54:27 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] FreeNX ... to much bleeding edge? In-Reply-To: <20040915154430.75811.qmail@web12101.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040915154430.75811.qmail@web12101.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <41488FE3.7000309@criticalcontrol.com> Chris Thomas wrote: >I would help with a screen script if I knew how to get >the freenx server installed on my k12ltsp box. Got a >HOWTO? > >Chris > > Chris : how-to is in your yahoo box. All others : I will make it public as soon as it is bullet-proof. Pete From jam at mcquil.com Wed Sep 15 19:48:08 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 15:48:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] FreeNX ... to much bleeding edge? In-Reply-To: <41488FE3.7000309@criticalcontrol.com> References: <20040915154430.75811.qmail@web12101.mail.yahoo.com> <41488FE3.7000309@criticalcontrol.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Sep 2004, Pete wrote: > Chris Thomas wrote: > >> I would help with a screen script if I knew how to get >> the freenx server installed on my k12ltsp box. Got a >> HOWTO? >> >> Chris >> > Chris : > > how-to is in your yahoo box. > > All others : > > I will make it public as soon as it is bullet-proof. If I had that policy with LTSP, none of us would be here :) C'Mon, don't forget the open source mantra: Release Early, Release Often Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Wed Sep 15 20:15:32 2004 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 16:15:32 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] samba-winbind-ads setup Message-ID: <1095279331.4267.46.camel@phoenix.media.local> Diggy, I apologize for the delay in getting back to you. I've got a head cold so getting winbind running is a distant rememberance for myself. I'll see about setting up something in VMWare tomorrow and try to get it working, that way I can be at the same step you are. Is getent passwd still working? does /etc/nsswitch.conf have anything mentioning winbind in the group, shadow, and passwd lines? -- Henry Burroughs From dyioulos at firstbhph.com Wed Sep 15 20:19:28 2004 From: dyioulos at firstbhph.com (Dimitri Yioulos) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 16:19:28 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] samba-winbind-ads setup In-Reply-To: <1095279331.4267.46.camel@phoenix.media.local> Message-ID: <200409152013.i8FKDbOC019052@mail1.firstbhph.com> Henry, I've actually rolled back to square one in the hopes that I'd get some help. I had tweaked so much that my setup wasn't "clean". This way, I'll start out fresh, and make troubleshooting (if necessary) much easier. Look forward to your post. Diggy -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Henry Burroughs Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 3:16 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: RE: [K12OSN] samba-winbind-ads setup Diggy, I apologize for the delay in getting back to you. I've got a head cold so getting winbind running is a distant rememberance for myself. I'll see about setting up something in VMWare tomorrow and try to get it working, that way I can be at the same step you are. Is getent passwd still working? does /etc/nsswitch.conf have anything mentioning winbind in the group, shadow, and passwd lines? -- Henry Burroughs _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From be_j_ma at optusnet.com.au Wed Sep 15 21:29:25 2004 From: be_j_ma at optusnet.com.au (ben may) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 07:29:25 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Apache Set up References: <20040915160025.D8F7D739C5@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <003001c49b6b$1b68b770$4bdf1dd3@boss> Hi, i am wondering where / how i can set up me server to run apache from my other windodws PC's when they type 192.168.0.254, 192.168.0.254 being the servers ip adress. I have seen it done before and the page just shows the contents of a dir. until an index has been put in From k12osn at collinsoft.com Wed Sep 15 22:52:08 2004 From: k12osn at collinsoft.com (k12osn at collinsoft.com) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:52:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Kinda OT - Imaging Macs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Sep 2004, Santiago, Nicholas wrote: > This is kinda off topic, but I thought I'd ask anyway. > > Does anyone know of a successful way to clone Mac OS X boxes? I tried using > Carbon Copy Cloner with a Firewire/1394 cable connecting two Macs, and > nothing. Does anyone have any ideas or know of links to a good walkthough? 1. Invest $200 into a external firewire drive. Be sure to get one that doesn't require external power. This will make it easy to move from machine to machine. 2. Install OS X onto the firewire drive. 3. Use NetRestore from http://www.bombich.com/ to create a disk image onto the firewire drive. 4. Plug the firewire drive into the Mac to be restored. Start up the machine holding down the Option key. It will show all the devices you can boot from. Select the firewire drive. 5. Use NetRestore to restore the image from the firewire drive onto the mac. Our 3.4GB image (compressed) takes about 15-20 minutes. Mike Bombich has tons of info on this on his website: http://www.bombich.com/ Even better is setting up NetBoot and a NetRestore image. To restore a machine in that scenerio you can either: -Start up the mac holding down the N key. The machine will boot over the network and start NetRestore. -Set up an automatic NetRestore image, and use Apple Remote Desktop to select the machines to restore. Set their startup disk to the NetRestore image and restart the machines. NetRestore can automatically name the machines, set the IP address, restart when finished, etc. -- Ryan Collins From gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk Wed Sep 15 22:58:20 2004 From: gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk (Gavin Spurgeon) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 23:58:20 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Icewm default References: <41487F15.9000302@mts.net> Message-ID: <000d01c49b77$7fcab0e0$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Hi Liam.. Go have a quick look @ this HOWTO I made on HOWTO set IceWM as the Default... http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net/k12ltsp/icewm.htm Best Regards Gavin Spurgeon Assistant Systems Administrator gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tel: 01322 620400 DDI: 01322 620501 IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 ############################################# Unofficial K12LTSP HOWTOz & Extraz Site (http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net) ############################################# From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Sep 15 23:08:07 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:08:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] FreeNX ... to much bleeding edge? In-Reply-To: <41488FE3.7000309@criticalcontrol.com> References: <20040915154430.75811.qmail@web12101.mail.yahoo.com> <41488FE3.7000309@criticalcontrol.com> Message-ID: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com writes: >All others : > >I will make it public as soon as it is bullet-proof. If you release what you have so far we can test/help with it. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From cliebow at downeast.net Wed Sep 15 22:49:10 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 22:49:10 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] samba-winbind-ads setup Message-ID: <200409152254.i8FMsNF15273@downeast.net> diggy? what version samba???chuck --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Wed Sep 15 23:33:40 2004 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:33:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Language support In-Reply-To: <1095259909.13885.5.camel@localhost> References: <1095259909.13885.5.camel@localhost> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I think other language packs need to be installed for them to work? On Sep 15, 2004, at 9:51 AM, Calvin Park wrote: > Okay all, I just got out of a meeting with an Associate Dean here at > the > college and he wants Korean language support in our Linux lab > like...yesterday. When I try to select Korean as the language it just > gives me boxes with like "C2B7" and the like in them. Step by step > instructions would be very helpful, or somewhere where I can get said > instructions. Korean language support is vital to our international > students being able to communicate with their parents and relatives who > are residing in their native countries. Thanks in advance all. > > -- > Calvin Park > Assistant for Linux Systems > Computer Services Department > Davis College: A Practical college of Bible and Ministry > > web: www.davisny.edu > email: linuxsys at davisny.edu > phone: 607.729.1581 ext 404 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkFI0VQACgkQfqZR3ThMfXSkpQCeO/OP1uD5MCMESpkL4Q834MFL V3kAnRHF4hF2xC4mWRJpp3J2irRtfXGM =dI2j -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From usernamenumber at gmail.com Wed Sep 15 23:36:12 2004 From: usernamenumber at gmail.com (Brad Smith) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 16:36:12 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Trouble booting PPC clients In-Reply-To: <47535.10.10.10.10.1092680025.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> References: <001b01c483a4$f56998b0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> <47535.10.10.10.10.1092680025.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: > As far as "kickstart" -- I would suggest using G4U to clone the hard > drives once you have one installed. It works, even when you have to use > the intel computer to do the cloning... It's saved me weeks of > installing... Since these G3s are 'old world', they don't seem to like booting from the G4U disk. How did you get this to work? Thanks! --Brad From rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us Thu Sep 16 00:07:50 2004 From: rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us (Rick O'Dell) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:07:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] MailScanner Blacklist In-Reply-To: <001d01c49b25$92b22460$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: Great, I'll give It a shot... Thanks again for all the help... Rick O'Dell Net Work Administrator Bakersfield R4 School Dst. Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Jim Kronebusch Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 8:12 AM To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] MailScanner Blacklist > Ok, I do have one question. This is not going > to adversely effect the existing incoming and outgoing mail > is????? What I mean is, are we just creating another table > for postfix to look in, or are we going to have to allow or > disallow everyone starting from scratch???? Also I don't > understand what this does. "hash:/etc/postfix.in/client_access" > Guess I'm just scared and confused>>>>... I wish I could say I understand it 100% as well but I can't. But I do know that this table will only be used as an exception list. What I mean is all mail from all IP's will process according to all other rules, unless an IP is listed in this table, then whatever action is specified will take place. So in answer to your question NO, you will not have to list every IP you want to accept mail from, only list the handful you want to block. As far as the "hash:/etc/postfix.in/client_access", this just lets it know that the specified file is a list of values to look through, the "hash" lets it know how to break it up (explained to the best of my knowledge). So just make sure you follow the steps I listed and whatever is in the client_access list will be the only IP's affected. Does that make you feel any better? I know I was still nervous :-) Especially since I had to piece this together with the help of a few tutorials. Bright side is, all you have to do to turn it off is remove the "hash:/etc/postfix.in/client_access" and restart MailScanner if things go wrong. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.744 / Virus Database: 496 - Release Date: 8/24/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.271 / Virus Database: 264.9.1 - Release Date: 9/15/2004 -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.271 / Virus Database: 264.9.1 - Release Date: 9/15/2004 From jim at rossberry.com Thu Sep 16 00:46:57 2004 From: jim at rossberry.com (Jim Wildman) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 20:46:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Plea for Offlist sed/awk help... In-Reply-To: <41484FAD.1000202@inlandlakes.org> References: <41484FAD.1000202@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Sep 2004, Shawn Powers wrote: > I have one big data file that I need to modify before I can "awk" it > into different files/folders. I'm more comfortable with awk than with > sed, so here's my problem: > So just use awk to do it all.... > I need to take a chunk of data (that has been awked out of the big data > file) and remove all the spaces, then chop off the last 2 characters. > After that, I'm pretty sure I can use awk to create folders based on > certain fields, and copy specific data into files named by other fields. > It's just that bit of "seding" that has got me... > > Here's a sample of my chunk of the specific field of data: > > "MAT 101 6 8" > "WBL -J 7 8" > "NCMC443 6 3" > > That reminds me, I also need to strip those darn quotes out too. :) Most people don't know it, but awk can do some pretty amazing things. Here is the file t.awk { gsub("\"","") numflds = split($0,newstring) printf("$0 is %s\n",$0) for (val in newstring) { printf("val %s of newstring is %s\n",val,newstring[val]) } delete newstring } Here is the output of awk -f t.awk data (where data had the data snippet from your original mail). $0 is MAT 101 6 8 val 4 of newstring is 8 val 1 of newstring is MAT val 2 of newstring is 101 val 3 of newstring is 6 $0 is WBL -J 7 8 val 4 of newstring is 8 val 1 of newstring is WBL val 2 of newstring is -J val 3 of newstring is 7 $0 is NCMC443 6 3 val 1 of newstring is NCMC443 val 2 of newstring is 6 val 3 of newstring is 3 I'm sure you can do more interesting things than just print it out. As you can notice, the for loop returns the array elements in pseudo random order, which can be fixed with a call to sort. You can deal with the varying numbers of fields by working backwards from the last one (NF). ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jim Wildman, CISSP, RHCE jim at rossberry.com http://www.rossberry.com "Our political way of life is by the laws of nature, of nature's God, and of course presupposes the existence of God, the moral ruler of the universe, and a rule of right and wrong, of just and unjust, binding upon man, preceding all institutions of human society and government." John Quincy Adamns From spowers at inlandlakes.org Thu Sep 16 02:28:49 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 22:28:49 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Kinda OT - Imaging Macs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4148FA61.4080507@inlandlakes.org> Sorry -- I guess I missed this thread. If you want an exact duplicate, you can use an intel machine, and use g4u to clone the drives. (That's how I clone my macintosh "chubby" clients) I'm not sure the ramifications for OSX, but since g4u does a bit by bit copy, the OS doesn't really matter. Ironically, you have to use an intel machine to do the imaging! -Shawn From rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us Thu Sep 16 04:43:10 2004 From: rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us (Rick O'Dell) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 23:43:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] MailScanner Blacklist In-Reply-To: <001d01c49b25$92b22460$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: I must have done something wrong. Syslog says, "fatal: /etc/postfix.in/main.cf, line 649: missing "=" after attribute name: "hash:/etc/postfix.in/client_access". I also noticed If I add a line "smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_sasl_authenticated, permit_mynetworks, check_relay_domains", this will stop incoming and outgoing mail for everyone. I also try each one of these smtpd_recipient_restrictions independently and each one will cause mail to stop working... Any Ideas??????? Thanks Rick... Rick O'Dell Net Work Administrator Bakersfield R4 School Dst. Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Jim Kronebusch Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 8:12 AM To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] MailScanner Blacklist > Ok, I do have one question. This is not going > to adversely effect the existing incoming and outgoing mail > is????? What I mean is, are we just creating another table > for postfix to look in, or are we going to have to allow or > disallow everyone starting from scratch???? Also I don't > understand what this does. "hash:/etc/postfix.in/client_access" > Guess I'm just scared and confused>>>>... I wish I could say I understand it 100% as well but I can't. But I do know that this table will only be used as an exception list. What I mean is all mail from all IP's will process according to all other rules, unless an IP is listed in this table, then whatever action is specified will take place. So in answer to your question NO, you will not have to list every IP you want to accept mail from, only list the handful you want to block. As far as the "hash:/etc/postfix.in/client_access", this just lets it know that the specified file is a list of values to look through, the "hash" lets it know how to break it up (explained to the best of my knowledge). So just make sure you follow the steps I listed and whatever is in the client_access list will be the only IP's affected. Does that make you feel any better? I know I was still nervous :-) Especially since I had to piece this together with the help of a few tutorials. Bright side is, all you have to do to turn it off is remove the "hash:/etc/postfix.in/client_access" and restart MailScanner if things go wrong. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. 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Version: 7.0.271 / Virus Database: 264.9.1 - Release Date: 9/15/2004 From robark at telus.net Thu Sep 16 04:33:56 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 21:33:56 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Security fixes In-Reply-To: <1095253110.11175.15.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <1095253110.11175.15.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <414917B4.3050008@telus.net> Les Mikesell wrote: >What should be in the apt/yum config files to use this >repository? > >--- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > > Yes I would also like to see /etc/yum.conf I have never used yum before as I use Slackware at home. As far as I understand for k12ltsp 3.1.2 (redhat 9) I need to first get gnupg like so # rpm -Uvh http://download.fedoralegacy.org/redhat/9/updates/i386/gnupg-1.2.1-9.i386.rpm Then I need to get yum like so # rpm -ivh http://download.fedora.us/fedora/redhat/9/i386/RPMS.stable/yum-2.0.3-0.fdr.1.rh90.noarch.rpm then I edit /etc/yum.conf (this is where I need help) I'm assuming I must insert ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/yum/9/ somewhere. Then I just run #yum update Is this correct? Anything to watch out for? I cannot afford downtime as the whole school depends on the lab. Robert Arkiletian From sudev at mantraonline.com Thu Sep 16 04:50:37 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 10:20:37 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Slow printing Message-ID: <1095310237.15409.12.camel@server.ltsp> One of the users pointed out that the newer DeskJet from HP on USB port was printing very slowly as compared to the output when the same printer was run under Win. Investigation till date reveal: 1. The printer is running almost at half the speed for similar mode (draft / LQ) 2. The printing under K12LTSP4.0 is uni-directional as compared to bi-directional under Win 3. Some discussion at www.linuxprinting.org about hpijs < ver 1.4 have this problem. But even after loading 1.5 this did not go away. 4. Some discussion at the same site about switching the BIOS PnP to off did not work either. 5. Some discussion on RH based system having this problem now under investigation by doing a stand alone install of some other distro. Will report the results, in the meanwhile any one else found this problem and any suggested solutions? For record Lasers on /dev/lp0 run equally fast under both OS. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From jsimovic at tpg.com.au Thu Sep 16 06:47:04 2004 From: jsimovic at tpg.com.au (John Simovic) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 16:47:04 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] samba-winbind-ads setup In-Reply-To: <200409131617.i8DGHOI8003277@mail1.firstbhph.com> Message-ID: <013001c49bb9$02e40710$0100a8c0@detg8i4yizs6re> Go to http://www.wlug.org.nz/ActiveDirectorySamba for an excellent howto. Worked perfect for me From l.maslany at jmc.ac.uk Thu Sep 16 07:25:08 2004 From: l.maslany at jmc.ac.uk (Luke Maslany) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 08:25:08 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Personal web pages for students Message-ID: <8F057578D21DBA4BB0CF32013A87ACED05F570@x-serv1.admin.jmc.ac.uk> The college I work for has asked that students have the ability to host web content through personal web pages. Although I am fairly new to Linux, I have decided that a LAMP setup would provide this ability while staying within the budgetary constraints (that is to say no money has been allocated to complete this task!). I have two questions: 1) What permissions are required on the userdir directory? 2) How are other schools, colleges and universities dealing with this sort of request? In particular, how are your students uploading their files to the server? (FTP, WebDAV, etc...) Many thanks for any help or advice you can offer, Luke Maslany -------------------------------- Luke Maslany Network Engineer Josiah Mason College l.maslany at jmc.ac.uk -------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk Thu Sep 16 07:48:00 2004 From: gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk (Gavin Spurgeon) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 08:48:00 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Personal web pages for students References: <8F057578D21DBA4BB0CF32013A87ACED05F570@x-serv1.admin.jmc.ac.uk> Message-ID: <00ab01c49bc1$7d77c090$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Personal web pages for studentsHi Luke & All... > The college I work for has asked that students have the ability to host web content through personal web pages. Although I am fairly new to Linux, I have decided that a LAMP > setup would provide this ability while staying within the budgetary constraints (that is to say no money has been allocated to complete this task!). > I have two questions: > 1) What permissions are required on the userdir directory? > 2) How are other schools, colleges and universities dealing with this sort of request? In particular, how are your students uploading their files to the server? (FTP, WebDAV, etc.) This is not really that hard... The first place you might want to look is @ the Apache Projects Dos about this @ http://httpd.apache.org/docs-2.0/mod/mod_userdir.html#userdir the rest can be done just by a user savin a file into a subdir of there Home Dir.... as simple as that... no other extra stuff needed... then people access the sites by typing http://www.yoursite.com/~username and thats it.... Best Regards Gavin Spurgeon Assistant Systems Administrator gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tel: 01322 620400 DDI: 01322 620501 IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 From dyioulos at firstbhph.com Thu Sep 16 11:28:03 2004 From: dyioulos at firstbhph.com (Dimitri Yioulos) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 07:28:03 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] samba-winbind-ads setup In-Reply-To: <200409152254.i8FMsNF15273@downeast.net> Message-ID: <200409161122.i8GBMAEN022824@mail1.firstbhph.com> samba-3.0.7-2.FC2 (the very latest) -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of cliebow at downeast.net Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 5:49 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] samba-winbind-ads setup diggy? what version samba???chuck --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dyioulos at firstbhph.com Thu Sep 16 11:41:21 2004 From: dyioulos at firstbhph.com (Dimitri Yioulos) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 07:41:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] samba-winbind-ads setup In-Reply-To: <013001c49bb9$02e40710$0100a8c0@detg8i4yizs6re> Message-ID: <200409161135.i8GBZSa4022876@mail1.firstbhph.com> Thanks, John. I've actually looked at, and followed this. It must be my own stupidity because, as mentioned earlier, I got all the right responses to wbinfo -u and -g and getent passwd, but my users were still denied access to the shares. Was this a permissions issue? Dunno. I did, for example, change the group on a share to e.g. "\\mydomain\departmentx" (or some such, I don't remember exactly; also might have tried "mydomain+departmentx") to match wbinfo -g groups. It was all to no avail. While I'm not new to Samba, I am to ADS (and quickly getting to hate it). It's getting all the pieces (Samba, Winbind, ADS, LDAP? Kerberos?) to work for me. So, without trying to be maudlin, holding my hand through the process would be most appreciated. Hope this is not overstepping my bounds. If so, my apologies. Diggy -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of John Simovic Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 1:47 AM To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] samba-winbind-ads setup Go to http://www.wlug.org.nz/ActiveDirectorySamba for an excellent howto. Worked perfect for me _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Sep 16 11:39:11 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 11:39:11 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] samba-winbind-ads setup Message-ID: <200409161144.i8GBiKg11204@downeast.net> my gateway server died last night...but soon as i can get in i will send you config files from my server at hancock county technical for your edification.. i believe i have an rc.local so service start in correct order..a krb5.conf defining realm and the regular smb.conf,nsswitch.conf,pam/system-auth.. btw--i use NO winbind seperator and can type in just a name and pw identical to windows..damned if i know why...chuck --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Thu Sep 16 12:09:46 2004 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 07:09:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] MailScanner Blacklist In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D3C37F4-07D9-11D9-A79F-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Make sure the relay domains and your "mynetworks" values include you local subnet(s). On Sep 15, 2004, at 11:43 PM, Rick O'Dell wrote: > I must have done something wrong. Syslog says, "fatal: > /etc/postfix.in/main.cf, line 649: missing "=" after attribute name: > "hash:/etc/postfix.in/client_access". > I also noticed If I add a line "smtpd_recipient_restrictions = > permit_sasl_authenticated, permit_mynetworks, check_relay_domains", > this > will stop incoming and outgoing mail for everyone. I also try each one > of > these smtpd_recipient_restrictions independently and each one will > cause > mail to stop working... > Any Ideas??????? > Thanks > Rick... > > > Rick O'Dell > Net Work Administrator > Bakersfield R4 School Dst. > Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 > rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On > Behalf Of Jim Kronebusch > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 8:12 AM > To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] MailScanner Blacklist > > >> Ok, I do have one question. This is not going >> to adversely effect the existing incoming and outgoing mail >> is????? What I mean is, are we just creating another table >> for postfix to look in, or are we going to have to allow or >> disallow everyone starting from scratch???? Also I don't >> understand what this does. "hash:/etc/postfix.in/client_access" >> Guess I'm just scared and confused>>>>... > > I wish I could say I understand it 100% as well but I can't. But I do > know that this table will only be used as an exception list. What I > mean is all mail from all IP's will process according to all other > rules, unless an IP is listed in this table, then whatever action is > specified will take place. So in answer to your question NO, you will > not have to list every IP you want to accept mail from, only list the > handful you want to block. As far as the > "hash:/etc/postfix.in/client_access", this just lets it know that the > specified file is a list of values to look through, the "hash" lets it > know how to break it up (explained to the best of my knowledge). So > just make sure you follow the steps I listed and whatever is in the > client_access list will be the only IP's affected. > > Does that make you feel any better? I know I was still nervous :-) > Especially since I had to piece this together with the help of a few > tutorials. Bright side is, all you have to do to turn it off is remove > the "hash:/etc/postfix.in/client_access" and restart MailScanner if > things go wrong. > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.744 / Virus Database: 496 - Release Date: 8/24/2004 > > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 7.0.271 / Virus Database: 264.9.1 - Release Date: 9/15/2004 > > -- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 7.0.271 / Virus Database: 264.9.1 - Release Date: 9/15/2004 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkFJgosACgkQfqZR3ThMfXR6/ACghj9Be2WxwEmciCyvgVa1ub3e BLwAni4n2oKMyVbUl8qu9MOpKc+XbMIs =sktN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Thu Sep 16 12:11:19 2004 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 07:11:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Slow printing In-Reply-To: <1095310237.15409.12.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1095310237.15409.12.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <84293E73-07D9-11D9-A79F-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Check the settings in CUPS? It may depend on which drivers CUPS is using. On Sep 15, 2004, at 11:50 PM, Sudev Barar wrote: > One of the users pointed out that the newer DeskJet from HP on USB port > was printing very slowly as compared to the output when the same > printer > was run under Win. > Investigation till date reveal: > 1. The printer is running almost at half the speed for similar mode > (draft / LQ) > 2. The printing under K12LTSP4.0 is uni-directional as compared to > bi-directional under Win > 3. Some discussion at www.linuxprinting.org about hpijs < ver 1.4 have > this problem. But even after loading 1.5 this did not go away. > 4. Some discussion at the same site about switching the BIOS PnP to off > did not work either. > 5. Some discussion on RH based system having this problem now under > investigation by doing a stand alone install of some other distro. > > Will report the results, in the meanwhile any one else found this > problem and any suggested solutions? For record Lasers on /dev/lp0 run > equally fast under both OS. > -- > Sudev Barar > Learning Linux > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkFJgucACgkQfqZR3ThMfXTdSwCePwSFkOGstboNGKHgM7tFy9mw 70QAmgLazxgwg1fWHEScR25kXJCO+0Ip =kVoK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dyioulos at firstbhph.com Thu Sep 16 12:11:17 2004 From: dyioulos at firstbhph.com (Dimitri Yioulos) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 08:11:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] samba-winbind-ads setup In-Reply-To: <200409161144.i8GBiKg11204@downeast.net> Message-ID: <200409161205.i8GC5OR7023149@mail1.firstbhph.com> Firstly, I hope my escapades are in no way responsible for you gateway problems ;-). In my earlier attempts, I also used no winbind separator, and that worked just fine - wbinfo -u returned "MYDOMAIN\user". Conf and other files would be very helpful. Diggy -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of cliebow at downeast.net Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 6:39 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] samba-winbind-ads setup my gateway server died last night...but soon as i can get in i will send you config files from my server at hancock county technical for your edification.. i believe i have an rc.local so service start in correct order..a krb5.conf defining realm and the regular smb.conf,nsswitch.conf,pam/system-auth.. btw--i use NO winbind seperator and can type in just a name and pw identical to windows..damned if i know why...chuck --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From les at futuresource.com Thu Sep 16 12:39:21 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 07:39:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Slow printing In-Reply-To: <1095310237.15409.12.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1095310237.15409.12.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <1095338361.14249.6.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-09-15 at 23:50, Sudev Barar wrote: > Will report the results, in the meanwhile any one else found this > problem and any suggested solutions? For record Lasers on /dev/lp0 run > equally fast under both OS. The problem in general is that unix/Linux applications tend to generate postscript, so printing to non-postscript printers involves passing through ghostscript, consuming CPU to create a bulky raster image, then often pushing the image through an inefficient character device like a parallel or usb port. Using a postscript-capable device with its own network connection eliminates a lot of overhead on the server, but it is more expensive. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From spowers at inlandlakes.org Thu Sep 16 12:53:22 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 08:53:22 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Trouble booting PPC clients In-Reply-To: References: <001b01c483a4$f56998b0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> <47535.10.10.10.10.1092680025.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <41498CC2.4000307@inlandlakes.org> Brad Smith wrote: > Since these G3s are 'old world', they don't seem to like booting from > the G4U disk. How did you get this to work? I'm really coming in late on these threads -- but I know the answer to this one. :) Put the drives into an i386 computer (ie, intel) and clone them. They won't boot on the intel computer, but g4u will boot and happily clone whatever you put in it. -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Sep 16 13:06:43 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 08:06:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] MailScanner Blacklist In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000201c49bee$034f8000$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> [SNIP] > I must have done something wrong. Syslog says, "fatal: > /etc/postfix.in/main.cf, line 649: missing "=" after > attribute name: "hash:/etc/postfix.in/client_access". > I also noticed If I add a line > "smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_sasl_authenticated, > permit_mynetworks, check_relay_domains", this will stop Okay here is my entire line in the /etc/postfix.in/main.cf file. Try to include all of these settings, and for mynetworks_style I have subnet. Let me know if that works. smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_sasl_authenticated, permit_mynetworks, reject_unauth_destination, check_client_access hash:/etc/postfix.in/client_access Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.744 / Virus Database: 496 - Release Date: 8/24/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From wescott_mike at emc.com Thu Sep 16 13:37:07 2004 From: wescott_mike at emc.com (Michael Wescott) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 09:37:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Slow printing In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 16 Sep 2004 07:39:21 CDT." <1095338361.14249.6.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <200409161337.i8GDb719002767@strange.us.dg.com> On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 Les Mikesell wrote: > On Wed, 2004-09-15 at 23:50, Sudev Barar wrote: > > > Will report the results, in the meanwhile any one else found this > > problem and any suggested solutions? For record Lasers on /dev/lp0 run > > equally fast under both OS. > > The problem in general is that unix/Linux applications tend > to generate postscript, so printing to non-postscript printers > involves passing through ghostscript, consuming CPU to create > a bulky raster image, then often pushing the image through > an inefficient character device like a parallel or usb port. > Using a postscript-capable device with its own network > connection eliminates a lot of overhead on the server, but > it is more expensive. There are even some cases where, for consistency's sake, cups will take postscript, rasterize it and convert that back to postscript. In such cases the printer can be very slow since it is now dealing with large volumes of data per page. -- Mike Wescott Wescott_Mike at EMC.COM From les at futuresource.com Thu Sep 16 15:08:54 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 10:08:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Kinda OT - Imaging Macs In-Reply-To: <4148FA61.4080507@inlandlakes.org> References: <4148FA61.4080507@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <1095347334.20210.25.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-09-15 at 21:28, Shawn Powers wrote: > I'm not sure the ramifications for OSX, but since g4u does a bit by bit > copy, the OS doesn't really matter. Ironically, you have to use an > intel machine to do the imaging! > If you are going to juggle disks and the drives are really identical the simple-minded way to copy them is: boot your k12ltsp install cd (or RH/fedora) at the boot prompt enter 'linux rescue' . Skip the network setup and mounting the existing system and when you get a command prompt, enter: dd if=/dev/source_disk of=/target_disk where the names of the devices will depend on how they are connected. This will do an exact image copy of the whole drive. If the source has a fixed IP address you'll have to boot the copies off the network while you change it. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From mchavez at henderson.k12.nc.us Thu Sep 16 15:39:20 2004 From: mchavez at henderson.k12.nc.us (Meghan Chavez) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 11:39:20 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] delete users Message-ID: We have setup our k12linux server to authenticate to Novell. Users can use their novell account to login to the linux terminal. Everything works great until we delete a user from the linux server. Once we delete a user from linux, any new user is not able to login to the terminal. Any ideas to fix this so we can delete users without "breaking" our novell authentication? From cwt137 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 16 15:46:55 2004 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 08:46:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Slow printing In-Reply-To: <200409161337.i8GDb719002767@strange.us.dg.com> Message-ID: <20040916154655.32810.qmail@web12105.mail.yahoo.com> I think that's what has happen to my hplj 4 plus. With FC2, the first page takes forever to print now compared to RH 8. --- Michael Wescott wrote: > > There are even some cases where, for consistency's > sake, cups will > take postscript, rasterize it and convert that back > to postscript. In > such cases the printer can be very slow since it is > now dealing > with large volumes of data per page. > > -- > Mike Wescott > Wescott_Mike at EMC.COM > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From les at futuresource.com Thu Sep 16 16:23:17 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 11:23:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Slow printing In-Reply-To: <20040916154655.32810.qmail@web12105.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040916154655.32810.qmail@web12105.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1095351797.20327.1.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2004-09-16 at 10:46, Chris Thomas wrote: > I think that's what has happen to my hplj 4 plus. > With FC2, the first page takes forever to print now > compared to RH 8. Can you avoid this by installing it as a generic postscript printer instead of the hp model? --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Thu Sep 16 16:30:34 2004 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 12:30:34 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] samba-winbind-ads setup In-Reply-To: <20040916160031.9339173F34@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040916160031.9339173F34@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1095352233.16417.6.camel@phoenix.media.local> Diggy, When I run winbind -u on my system that still uses winbind (I can't wait to get all my UIDs on my 3 linux systems in sync....aaaaah), I don't get the MYDOMAIN\user, I just get user. Try using smbclient -U username //system/share and see if you can connect using that user. If it doesn't work, try MYDOMAIN\username instead as the user. Did you have "winbind use default domain" set to YES? When you do that, it removes the MYDOMAIN\ part, so it handles like a normal unix user. Henry > From: Dimitri Yioulos > To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] samba-winbind-ads setup > Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 08:11:17 -0400 > > Firstly, I hope my escapades are in no way responsible for you gateway > problems ;-). > > In my earlier attempts, I also used no winbind separator, and that worked > just fine - wbinfo -u returned "MYDOMAIN\user". > > Conf and other files would be very helpful. > > Diggy From pvdw at criticalcontrol.com Thu Sep 16 17:16:09 2004 From: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com (Pete) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 11:16:09 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] FreeNX bleeding edge Documentation In-Reply-To: References: <20040915154430.75811.qmail@web12101.mail.yahoo.com> <41488FE3.7000309@criticalcontrol.com> Message-ID: <4149CA59.9020401@criticalcontrol.com> David Trask wrote: >pvdw at criticalcontrol.com writes: > > >>All others : >> >>I will make it public as soon as it is bullet-proof. >> >> > >If you release what you have so far we can test/help with it. > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >(207)923-3100 > > > Here it is (got the official "go", to release the documentation.) http://ltsp.criticalcontrol.com Correction more than welcome. Peter From dyioulos at firstbhph.com Thu Sep 16 17:53:05 2004 From: dyioulos at firstbhph.com (Dimitri Yioulos) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 13:53:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] samba-winbind-ads setup In-Reply-To: <1095352233.16417.6.camel@phoenix.media.local> Message-ID: <200409161747.i8GHlBbB024728@mail1.firstbhph.com> Henry, Forgive what seems like confusion, but I've also had an iteration of my samba-winbind-ads setup where I've only gotten usernames. Frankly, it doesn't matter to me what wbinfo returns, as long as it works. That's why I've swept everything away to start fresh. So, let's approach this as if it's a completely clean canvas. Diggy -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Henry Burroughs Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 11:31 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: RE: [K12OSN] samba-winbind-ads setup Diggy, When I run winbind -u on my system that still uses winbind (I can't wait to get all my UIDs on my 3 linux systems in sync....aaaaah), I don't get the MYDOMAIN\user, I just get user. Try using smbclient -U username //system/share and see if you can connect using that user. If it doesn't work, try MYDOMAIN\username instead as the user. Did you have "winbind use default domain" set to YES? When you do that, it removes the MYDOMAIN\ part, so it handles like a normal unix user. Henry > From: Dimitri Yioulos > To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] samba-winbind-ads setup > Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 08:11:17 -0400 > > Firstly, I hope my escapades are in no way responsible for you gateway > problems ;-). > > In my earlier attempts, I also used no winbind separator, and that worked > just fine - wbinfo -u returned "MYDOMAIN\user". > > Conf and other files would be very helpful. > > Diggy _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From linuxsys at davisny.edu Thu Sep 16 17:57:43 2004 From: linuxsys at davisny.edu (Calvin Park) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 13:57:43 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Internet access tracking? Message-ID: <1095357463.3580.2.camel@localhost> Hi all, another question... There is some evidence that a few of the students here have been using the Computer Center to look at some pornography. We have a blocker, and it showed so blocked hits, but only for the server as a whole. Is there anything that I could use to see internet usage logs from the server...preferably with which users have gone where. Thanks in advance for any ideas you all might have. If this has already been discussed in the archives somewhere feel free to point me in the right direction. -- Calvin Park Assistant for Linux Systems Computer Services Department Davis College: A Practical college of Bible and Ministry web: www.davisny.edu email: linuxsys at davisny.edu phone: 607.729.1581 ext 404 From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Sep 16 18:16:26 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 11:16:26 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Internet access tracking? In-Reply-To: <1095357463.3580.2.camel@localhost> References: <1095357463.3580.2.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <4149D87A.5000909@paasda.org> do you require authentication to the proxy? currently I have to match up log files personally... check the dansguardian log for blockages... it gives time and ip address of offense then...match up time/ip address of who was log into that ip address at that time... webmin has a module that shows such things I believe... but keep in mind that because user 'joey' is in the log...doesn't mean his friends/enemies don't know his passwd and are using it to further their needs... --Huck Calvin Park wrote: >Hi all, another question... > >There is some evidence that a few of the students here have been using >the Computer Center to look at some pornography. We have a blocker, and >it showed so blocked hits, but only for the server as a whole. Is there >anything that I could use to see internet usage logs from the >server...preferably with which users have gone where. Thanks in advance >for any ideas you all might have. > >If this has already been discussed in the archives somewhere feel free >to point me in the right direction. > > > From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Thu Sep 16 19:22:08 2004 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 15:22:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/Pam issue Message-ID: <1095362527.17069.93.camel@phoenix.media.local> Background: On this server, I am getting my user information via LDAP, and I am authenticating via kerberos to my Active Directory domain. I am also using the pam_mkhomedir setup so I don't have to create directories anymore (yay!!!). I've put it into /etc/pam.d/system-auth which takes care of ssh, gdm, and theoretically samba share mounts (somebody correct me right here if I am wrong... my user's shares will be on this server, some are now, and I want the shares to be created when they connect via windows version blah blah). Now, the pam_mkhomedir was not working for samba, so I turned on the "obey pam restrictions = yes" in my smb.conf file. Now, users cannot mount their directories at all (samba/pam seems to get hung up on the ACCOUNT directives in PAM), and I get messages like "smb_pam_accountcheck: PAM: Account Validation Failed - Rejecting User !" in my /var/log/messages file. I've done some googling on this, and is something in my configuration not correct (but gdm, ssh work perfectly, so PAM is happy)... should I try another ACCOUNT directive (other than ACCOUNT required pam_stack.so service=system-auth), because it doesn't like it when I disable that line. This is about the only problem I have to finish rolling out my server (except for writing a script to add unix UIDs and other info to 400 users in AD so they can log in in the first place). Henry Burroughs -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From glessard at coll-outao.qc.ca Thu Sep 16 19:51:44 2004 From: glessard at coll-outao.qc.ca (Guy Lessard) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 15:51:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] delete users In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4149EED0.7000602@coll-outao.qc.ca> Meghan Chavez wrote: >We have setup our k12linux server to authenticate to Novell. Users can use their novell account to login to the linux terminal. Everything works great until we delete a user from the linux server. Once we delete a user from linux, any new user is not able to login to the terminal. Any ideas to fix this so we can delete users without "breaking" our novell authentication? > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > Hi Meghan, I just started a new year and had to clean up the accounts off the server. I did have problems and it was related to left over files here and there. Here is a paragraph from the original Howto: May, 2004 The problem was that the account existed on the server before Netware authentication was implemented. The UID and GID did not match with Netware authentication thus failing to mount home directory. Problem solved by deleting the account (user and group), the home directory under /home, the mail directory (think it's under /var/mail ) and KDE desktop temporary file ( look under /tmp/mcop...). Make sure you clean up the /home /var/mail and /tmp directories and reboot. Let us know if that helped. From eworthy at shaw.ca Thu Sep 16 20:11:28 2004 From: eworthy at shaw.ca (ERIC WORTHY) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 13:11:28 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] USB memory problem Message-ID: <1a1682a1a11df0.1a11df01a1682a@shaw.ca> I am trying you set up my 4.1 K12ltsp to work with a 256m usb flash memory device. when I plug in the 'key', it is recognized and an entry is made in /etc/fstab to allow me to mount it. Unfortunately the enty made in the table is /dev/sda1 but the device assigned to the 'key' is /dev/sda4 (from the system logs). I have manually edited the fstab and then I can mount and unmount the device and read and write files to it. (it is formated for dos). editing fstab and only be done by root and the entry is delete each time the device is unplugged. This makes using the 'key' a pain for me and impossible for my users to use. All the setting up and unsetting happens automagically through 'hotplug scripts'. Does anyone know which scripts to modify to get the correct device to be entered into fstab. excuse me if this has been dealt with before. I did search the archives and found nothing pertienent. Eric From jam at mcquil.com Thu Sep 16 20:20:16 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 16:20:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] USB memory problem In-Reply-To: <1a1682a1a11df0.1a11df01a1682a@shaw.ca> References: <1a1682a1a11df0.1a11df01a1682a@shaw.ca> Message-ID: Eric, Take a look at the manpage on updfstab. It talks about a config file called /etc/updfstab.conf and /etc/updfstab.conf.default that contains entries. Pay special attention to the value of 'partition' in that file. If it is set to '0', then partition numbers aren't used. I don't have a device like that, so I can't test it. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Thu, 16 Sep 2004, ERIC WORTHY wrote: > > I am trying you set up my 4.1 K12ltsp to work with a 256m usb flash memory device. > > when I plug in the 'key', it is recognized and an entry is made in /etc/fstab to allow me to mount it. > > Unfortunately the enty made in the table is /dev/sda1 but the device assigned to the 'key' is /dev/sda4 (from the system logs). > > I have manually edited the fstab and then I can mount and unmount the device and read and write files to it. (it is formated for dos). > > editing fstab and only be done by root and the entry is delete each time the device is unplugged. > > This makes using the 'key' a pain for me and impossible for my users to use. > > All the setting up and unsetting happens automagically through 'hotplug scripts'. Does anyone know which scripts to modify to get the correct device to be entered into fstab. > > excuse me if this has been dealt with before. I did search the archives and found nothing pertienent. > > Eric > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Thu Sep 16 23:03:49 2004 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 17:03:49 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] MSN Beta Web Messenger Message-ID: Has anyone seen a mass of students using the new Beta MSN Web Messenger in their labs? Our school has had a policy of no messenging and it has been pretty easy to control by not installing gaim, everybuddy, or amsn. Web Messenger... It's port 80 traffic, so how to stop it? I'll try filtering "web messenging" in Dansguardian. Any other ideas are welcome. Jim _________________________________________________________________ Powerful Parental Controls Let your child discover the best the Internet has to offer. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN? Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Thu Sep 16 22:59:37 2004 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 16:59:37 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Quick way to empty student folders Message-ID: Lat year I used some method to empty student folders... What ever it was I can't think of it. Has anyone used a quick way to empty the contents of all of the folders in /home/usernames ? I need to keep all of the student folders in /home, but everything in them needs to go... Thanks, Jim _________________________________________________________________ Powerful Parental Controls Let your child discover the best the Internet has to offer. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN? Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. From chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us Thu Sep 16 23:32:31 2004 From: chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us (Chris Hobbs) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 16:32:31 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Quick way to empty student folders In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <414A228F.6090107@silvervalley.k12.ca.us> Jim Christiansen wrote: > Lat year I used some method to empty student folders... What ever it > was I can't think of it. > Has anyone used a quick way to empty the contents of all of the > folders in /home/usernames ? > > I need to keep all of the student folders in /home, but everything in > them needs to go... > for i in /home/*; do rm -rf /home/$i/*; done NOT TESTED -- POSSIBLY DANGEROUS -- COULD CAUSE GLOBAL WARMING OK, you're on your own if you run it, but it makes sense to me... -- Chris Hobbs Silver Valley Unified School District Head geek: Technology Services Coordinator webmaster: http://www.silvervalley.k12.ca.us/~chobbs/ postmaster: chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us pgp: http://www.silvervalley.k12.ca.us/~chobbs/key.asc From Stephen.Blechynden at det.wa.edu.au Thu Sep 16 23:55:17 2004 From: Stephen.Blechynden at det.wa.edu.au (Stephen Blechynden) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 07:55:17 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Host configutation problem on install In-Reply-To: <414A228F.6090107@silvervalley.k12.ca.us> Message-ID: <011a01c49c48$9eeae8b0$6718c40a@kendenupps> Hi I hope some one can help me on what I think is a simple problem. I installed LTSP on a Debian system via the ltspadmin application and that when well untill I went to use apt-get to install another program and could not connect as it would not recognise any hosts? A config file has been altered, can anyone point me in the right direction? Also nftp is installed but not working can anyone help? Thanks Stephen From jam at mcquil.com Fri Sep 17 00:04:14 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 20:04:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Host configutation problem on install In-Reply-To: <011a01c49c48$9eeae8b0$6718c40a@kendenupps> References: <011a01c49c48$9eeae8b0$6718c40a@kendenupps> Message-ID: Stephen, ltspcfg doesn't modify anything that would prevent apt-get from working. It could be any number of things, so you need to start digging through various things. How many nics do you have on the server ? If more than one, which one is connected to the internet ? Do you have a link light on the nic ? On the switch ? Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Fri, 17 Sep 2004, Stephen Blechynden wrote: > Hi > I hope some one can help me on what I think is a simple problem. I installed > LTSP on a Debian system via the ltspadmin application and that when well > untill I went to use apt-get to install another program and could not > connect as it would not recognise any hosts? A config file has been altered, > can anyone point me in the right direction? > Also nftp is installed but not working can anyone help? > > Thanks Stephen > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Sep 17 00:29:33 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 17:29:33 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] disk quotas for users and groups Message-ID: <414A2FED.3060501@paasda.org> someone was asking about this a while ago... here is a link with some helpful info: http://colossus.net/quota/quota.html went looking for info as I was fiddle'n with webmin and saw the Quota module and it told me that I had no filesystems supporting quotas *shrugs* --Huck From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Sep 17 01:05:14 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 18:05:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Quick way to empty student folders In-Reply-To: <414A228F.6090107@silvervalley.k12.ca.us> Message-ID: On Thu, 16 Sep 2004, Chris Hobbs wrote: >Jim Christiansen wrote: > >> Lat year I used some method to empty student folders... What ever it >> was I can't think of it. >> Has anyone used a quick way to empty the contents of all of the >> folders in /home/usernames ? >> >> I need to keep all of the student folders in /home, but everything in >> them needs to go... >> > >for i in /home/*; do rm -rf /home/$i/*; done > >NOT TESTED -- POSSIBLY DANGEROUS -- COULD CAUSE GLOBAL WARMING > >OK, you're on your own if you run it, but it makes sense to me... I didn't test this either, but I do see one error. This would be (closer to) correct: for i in /home/*; do rm -rf $i/*; done NOT TESTED -- POSSIBLY DANGEROUS -- COULD CAUSE AN ICE AGE ;-) -Eric From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Fri Sep 17 01:18:48 2004 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 18:18:48 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Third mouse button Message-ID: <414A3B78.2050507@elp.rr.com> Where do I go to program the third button on a three button mouse? A little help on how would be welcome also. Thanks Pat From pfaffman at gmail.com Fri Sep 17 01:51:32 2004 From: pfaffman at gmail.com (Jay Pfaffman) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 21:51:32 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Third mouse button In-Reply-To: <414A3B78.2050507@elp.rr.com> References: <414A3B78.2050507@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <932609800409161851239f82f2@mail.gmail.com> I'm not sure which button you're calling the third one. Presumably you're already right-clicking your little heart away & you're talking about the middle button. IMHO it's already programmed nicely. In most applications the left button copies text when it's selected. The middle button pastes. It's very convenient. In Firefox (and Mozilla with a change to the Tabbed Browsing preferences) middle-clicking a link opens the link in a new tab. Also very convenient & I can't figure out how to do it in Windoze (I don't use Windows except to run System Update, but I have friends, students and colleagues who try to use it to accomplish work). That's a fairly long way to say "I don't know." On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 18:18:48 -0700, John P. Conlon wrote: > Where do I go to program the third button on a three button mouse? A > little help on how would be welcome also. > Thanks > Pat > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- Jay Pfaffman Asst Professor of Instructional Technology, U. TN, Knoxville Experimenting with gmail, please honor the Reply-To From pfaffman at gmail.com Fri Sep 17 02:01:40 2004 From: pfaffman at gmail.com (Jay Pfaffman) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 22:01:40 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Quick way to empty student folders In-Reply-To: References: <414A228F.6090107@silvervalley.k12.ca.us> Message-ID: <9326098004091619011fdadb85@mail.gmail.com> When I write a script like that I always do something like this first: for i in /home/*; do echo rm -rf $i/*; done To get an idea what might happen. It appears that the above won't remove the .dotfiles. That might really be the desired result, but you might rather cd /home for i in * ; do rm -rf $i; mkdir $i; chown $i.$i $i; done but you might first for i in * ; do echo rm -rf $i; echo mkdir $i; echo chown $i.$i $i; done Please note that what's left of a hurricane will soon be hitting me, and this script could be why. On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 18:05:14 -0700 (PDT), Eric Harrison wrote: > On Thu, 16 Sep 2004, Chris Hobbs wrote: > > >Jim Christiansen wrote: > > > >> Lat year I used some method to empty student folders... What ever it > >> was I can't think of it. > >> Has anyone used a quick way to empty the contents of all of the > >> folders in /home/usernames ? > >> > >> I need to keep all of the student folders in /home, but everything in > >> them needs to go... > >> > > > >for i in /home/*; do rm -rf /home/$i/*; done > > > >NOT TESTED -- POSSIBLY DANGEROUS -- COULD CAUSE GLOBAL WARMING > > > >OK, you're on your own if you run it, but it makes sense to me... > > I didn't test this either, but I do see one error. This would be > (closer to) correct: > > for i in /home/*; do rm -rf $i/*; done > > NOT TESTED -- POSSIBLY DANGEROUS -- COULD CAUSE AN ICE AGE ;-) > > -Eric > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- Jay Pfaffman Asst Professor of Instructional Technology, U. TN, Knoxville Experimenting with gmail, please honor the Reply-To From pfaffman at gmail.com Fri Sep 17 02:49:29 2004 From: pfaffman at gmail.com (Jay Pfaffman) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 22:49:29 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Personal web pages for students In-Reply-To: <8F057578D21DBA4BB0CF32013A87ACED05F570@x-serv1.admin.jmc.ac.uk> References: <8F057578D21DBA4BB0CF32013A87ACED05F570@x-serv1.admin.jmc.ac.uk> Message-ID: <9326098004091619493d5b26a8@mail.gmail.com> Configuring Apache's userdir module is pretty easy. Giving students an easy way to move data there is less simple. I'd say you want to configure Samba, FTP and maybe WebDAV (another apache module) to let students move stuff there. Those things aren't that hard either, until you try to deal with administering accounts for everyone and have a centralized authentication scheme. I consider file sharing and system backups the two essential services that a school (and especially university) should provide. Strangely, few actually do it. This is especially true because the people who could make file sharing easily available have their own drives (and aren't forced to use public machines in labs). The result? A normal person is expected to FTP their files to a workstation, work on them there, and FTP them back when they're done. This alone is reason enough to move to LTSP. And don't get me started on authentication. My university has 3 password databases and that includes only the ones that *everyone* has access to. To provide a place to post web pages for a class full of 5th graders is easy. To do it for a university is a non-trivial task. I don't believe that having an unlimited budget to pay for software licenses makes any difference. ----- Original Message ----- From: Luke Maslany Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 08:25:08 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Personal web pages for students To: k12osn at redhat.com The college I work for has asked that students have the ability to host web content through personal web pages. Although I am fairly new to Linux, I have decided that a LAMP setup would provide this ability while staying within the budgetary constraints (that is to say no money has been allocated to complete this task!). I have two questions: 1) What permissions are required on the userdir directory? 2) How are other schools, colleges and universities dealing with this sort of request? In particular, how are your students uploading their files to the server? (FTP, WebDAV, etc?) Many thanks for any help or advice you can offer, Luke Maslany -------------------------------- Luke Maslany Network Engineer Josiah Mason College l.maslany at jmc.ac.uk -------------------------------- _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -- Jay Pfaffman Asst Professor of Instructional Technology, U. TN, Knoxville Experimenting with gmail, please honor the Reply-To From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Fri Sep 17 03:00:50 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 23:00:50 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] disk quotas for users and groups In-Reply-To: <414A2FED.3060501@paasda.org> References: <414A2FED.3060501@paasda.org> Message-ID: <414A5362.8060605@cfl.rr.com> May want to open up Webmin -- Disk and Filesystems -- then open up a partition, say just the "/" partition, then look in advanced mount options, set quotas to user and group, reboot machine and then you'll be able to set quotas in Webmin using the Disk Quota module. 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Does a solution exist that can be booted from a Mac floppy disk and doesn't involve manually transplanting drives to an imaging PC? --Brad From rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us Fri Sep 17 04:37:44 2004 From: rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us (Rick O'Dell) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 23:37:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Blacklist Message-ID: When I use the line hash:/etc/postfix.in/client_access this is the result.. "Sep 16 20:31:07 mail postfix/smtpd[21072]: fatal: /etc/postfix.in/main.cf, line 649: missing '=' after attribute name: "hash:/etc/postfix.in/client_access" Sep 16 20:31:08 mail postfix/master[9014]: warning: process /usr/libexec/postfix/smtpd pid 21072 exit status 1 Sep 16 20:31:08 mail postfix/master[9014]: warning: /usr/libexec/postfix/smtpd: bad command startup -- throttling" When I leave the "hash:" line, out, this is the resulting error.... Sep 16 20:58:53 mail postfix/smtpd[21464]: fatal: parameter "smtpd_recipient_restrictions": specify at least one working instance of: check_relay_domains, reject_unauth_destination, reject, defer or defer_if_permit Sep 16 20:58:54 mail postfix/master[21386]: warning: process /usr/libexec/postfix/smtpd pid 21464 exit status 1 Sep 16 20:58:54 mail postfix/master[21386]: warning: /usr/libexec/postfix/smtpd: bad command startup -- throttling These are some of my postfix settings: mynetworks_style = subnet mynetworks = 10.0.0.0/8, 127.0.0.0/8 relay_domains = $mydestination I am behind a fire wall using NAT for public to private IP translation.. I really didn't think It would be this hard to setup a blacklist. I'm sure Its my own stupidity, but I just can't get It to work.... Rick O'Dell Net Work Administrator Bakersfield R4 School Dst. Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.271 / Virus Database: 264.9.2 - Release Date: 9/16/2004 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Sep 17 05:39:02 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 22:39:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] New test package: training-docs Message-ID: The United Nations Development Programme has been working on training documentation for Fedora & OpenOffice.org. See their web page at http://www.iosn.net/training/ They also include links to a couple other sources of redistributable training documentation. I downloaded all of these materials and packaged them up: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/training-docs-0.1-1.k12ltsp.noarch.rpm I was not sure of the best place to put these, I wanted them to be easily available to the users, but I didn't want to forcefully put it right on their desktops. I settled for adding it to the "Start Here" folder on the desktop. Please take a look at this and let me know what you think. I didn't read most of these docs, so let me know if any of it should be removed. Links to other such materials would be good as well. -Eric From be_j_ma at optusnet.com.au Fri Sep 17 06:09:52 2004 From: be_j_ma at optusnet.com.au (ben may) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 16:09:52 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Booting Problems References: <20040917015153.9DD9673215@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <002601c49c7c$f332b180$4fdf1dd3@boss> Hi, after having a power cut, i realised that my UPS was not working, now at boot my server says 'Kernel Panic: No Init found try passing init= option ' after google-ing that there were a few people that have had the same problem. but no answers. I have alot of data that i dont want to loose so re-installing is my last option, or can i just reinstall with out loosing data in /home dir? Thanks Ben May From pfaffman at gmail.com Fri Sep 17 11:27:34 2004 From: pfaffman at gmail.com (Jay Pfaffman) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 12:27:34 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Booting Problems In-Reply-To: <002601c49c7c$f332b180$4fdf1dd3@boss> References: <20040917015153.9DD9673215@hormel.redhat.com> <002601c49c7c$f332b180$4fdf1dd3@boss> Message-ID: <9326098004091704277b4d3a34@mail.gmail.com> Yes, you can do a fresh install leavning /home intact (reason enough for keeping /home in its own partition). But you almost certainly don't need to do that. And if you do, you really want your password database (/etc/passwd, group, shadow) too. Boot off a Knoppix CD & fsck the drives, especially the /boot parition. That'll probably solve your problem, but if it doesn't you can use Knoppix to move your data somewhere else. When you get your system back up, start making backups. The way that I do it is run an old machine with a big IDE drive. Every hour a process runs that rsync's the hard drive to the backup machine. The backup machine keeps 1-2 hour, 1-2-day and 1-2 week-old copies. It's mighty handy to be able to pull up an old file and I sleep better. On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 16:09:52 +1000, ben may wrote: > Hi, > after having a power cut, i realised that my UPS was not working, now at > boot my server says 'Kernel Panic: No Init found try passing init= option ' > after google-ing that there were a few people that have had the same > problem. but no answers. > > I have alot of data that i dont want to loose so re-installing is my last > option, or can i just reinstall with out loosing data in /home dir? > Thanks > > Ben May > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- Jay Pfaffman Asst Professor of Instructional Technology, U. TN, Knoxville Experimenting with gmail, please honor the Reply-To From staffords at glenburn.net Fri Sep 17 12:21:02 2004 From: staffords at glenburn.net (Shane Stafford) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 08:21:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] scanner on client In-Reply-To: <002601c49c7c$f332b180$4fdf1dd3@boss> References: <20040917015153.9DD9673215@hormel.redhat.com> <,> <002601c49c7c$f332b180$4fdf1dd3@boss> Message-ID: has anyone configured a scanner on a LTSP client? If so, would you happen to have a suggestion for a good model scanner that works in this configuration and if possible I assume I need to edit the lts.conf for that use. I have a need for another community scanner for teachers. I feel I'm backtracking if I hook up the scanner to a windows client. thanks Shane Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer S & B Consulting From kjetil at knudsen.gs Fri Sep 17 12:24:20 2004 From: kjetil at knudsen.gs (Kjetil Knudsen) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 05:24:20 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Internet access tracking? Message-ID: <1f8e801c49cb1$42282c50$6ecb010a@mail2world.com> > >Hi all, another question... > >There is some evidence that a few of the students here have been using >the Computer Center to look at some pornography. We have a blocker, and >it showed so blocked hits, but only for the server as a whole. Is there >anything that I could use to see internet usage logs from the >server...preferably with which users have gone where. Thanks in advance >for any ideas you all might have. We use Censornet to monitor who has done what on the Internet. 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URL: From les at futuresource.com Fri Sep 17 12:52:36 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 07:52:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Booting Problems In-Reply-To: <002601c49c7c$f332b180$4fdf1dd3@boss> References: <20040917015153.9DD9673215@hormel.redhat.com> <002601c49c7c$f332b180$4fdf1dd3@boss> Message-ID: <1095425556.17070.17.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-09-17 at 01:09, ben may wrote: > after having a power cut, i realised that my UPS was not working, now at > boot my server says 'Kernel Panic: No Init found try passing init= option ' > after google-ing that there were a few people that have had the same > problem. but no answers. > > I have alot of data that i dont want to loose so re-installing is my last > option, or can i just reinstall with out loosing data in /home dir? Out of curiosity, is this an old 3.x system with ext2 filesystems or 4.x with ext3? I've had several ext2 problems where the automatic fsck at bootup would fail because there were too many errors, but it would drop to a shell and suggest doing it manually. Doing that and answering 'y' to all the fixes always worked for me as long as the drive was still functioning. I'd try booting the install CD first, with 'linux rescue' at the boot prompt. This may perform the fsck you need and will try to mount the existing partitions so you can chroot there and check things out. The fedora based versions will also offer to bring up the network interfaces so you could back up some files if the root partition is hopelessly broken. If the partitions look OK in the rescue mount but still won't boot, you may be able to fix it by doing an 'upgrade' from the CD's instead of an install. I'll plug backuppc again (http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/) as the most painless way to have backup copies of things when you need them. ---- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From julius at turtle.com Fri Sep 17 12:54:42 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 08:54:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] scanner on client In-Reply-To: References: <20040917015153.9DD9673215@hormel.redhat.com> <,> <002601c49c7c$f332b180$4fdf1dd3@boss> Message-ID: <33531.216.216.171.3.1095425682.squirrel@216.216.171.3> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > has anyone configured a scanner on a LTSP client? If so, would you happen > to have a suggestion for a good model scanner that works in this > configuration and if possible I assume I need to edit the lts.conf for > that use. I have a need for another community scanner for teachers. I > feel I'm backtracking if I hook up the scanner to a windows client. > Shane, Steve Wright (paua -at- quicksilver.nz.net) has worked out the scanner access on usb port for the previous version of ltsp. the new version is still being worked on, to quote from the last message: "ok, had a wee hack at scanners.. libusb is broken in this LTSP image so we are back to the scanner.o kernel module. not the best, is what we have at hand" the scanners work fine, we tested with just one type, but -any- scanner recognized by SANE should work fine. julius -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBSt6S2LhlZOaj6vURAnPeAJ42AS0lmJhdJ55OTYizDOGMcY0mDQCglAi7 OHcHTBrOLRrIQXw7hOjYCdU= =ME2o -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Sep 17 13:01:01 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:01:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Local Devices Clarification Message-ID: <414AE00D.3050001@inlandlakes.org> Looking at the thread about USB scanners... Is this a method to get things like palms to sync too? If so, I assume the program (jpilot?) would have to run as a local app, no? (Otherwise, how on earth would it see the device...) Would the same method work for floppies and USB keys, if we had nautilus (or emelfm, or some small file manager) run as a local app, and had all the thin clients mount /home too? I guess I'm just looking for whether or not my understanding of the process is correct... Thanks, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From staffords at glenburn.net Fri Sep 17 12:58:46 2004 From: staffords at glenburn.net (Shane Stafford) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 08:58:46 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] scanner on client In-Reply-To: <33531.216.216.171.3.1095425682.squirrel@216.216.171.3> References: <33531.216.216.171.3.1095425682.squirrel@216.216.171.3> Message-ID: hmmm Maybe this may work. Take a regular copy (local processing power) of Fedora 2, add a scanner to this desktop. Then allow that local machine to log into home directories ??? That way folks can scan there material, even manipulate it on a local machine in the computer lab and save their work to their LTSP home directories? thoughts? thanks Shane Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer S & B Consulting From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Sep 17 13:10:33 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:10:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Kinda OT - Imaging Macs In-Reply-To: References: <4148FA61.4080507@inlandlakes.org> <1095347334.20210.25.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <414AE249.5020903@inlandlakes.org> Brad Smith wrote: > Does a solution > exist that can be booted from a Mac floppy disk and doesn't involve > manually transplanting drives to an imaging PC? Well, if you can get a small debian (or other) floppy disk to boot, you can use dd to image one drive to another, but you'd still have to transplant the drive into the imaging G3... (unless I'm misunderstanding your setup) I don't know how to do what you desire with any MACOS -- but David Trask I think has mentioned a few things they do in Maine, home of the billion iBooks, to image drives quickly. If a macintoshOS solution is your desire, I can't help, sorry! -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Sep 17 13:16:27 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:16:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] scanner on client In-Reply-To: References: <33531.216.216.171.3.1095425682.squirrel@216.216.171.3> Message-ID: <414AE3AB.6090907@inlandlakes.org> Shane Stafford wrote: > hmmm > Maybe this may work. Take a regular copy (local processing power) of > Fedora 2, add a scanner to this desktop. Then allow that local machine to > log into home directories ??? That way folks can scan there material, even > manipulate it on a local machine in the computer lab and save their work > to their LTSP home directories? thoughts? Yes -- this is similar to what we have done. We actually started with a classroom "mini lab" and the server had a scanner connected to it. Since it was a mini lab, the students used the server as one of the clients, they just sat there when they needed to scan. It worked great. :) -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From austinsr at uindy.edu Fri Sep 17 15:27:33 2004 From: austinsr at uindy.edu (Shawn R. Austin) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:27:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Kinda OT - Imaging Macs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1095434852.3581.90.camel@austinsr.isdesktop.uindy.edu> On Wed, 2004-09-15 at 17:52, k12osn at collinsoft.com wrote: > On Tue, 7 Sep 2004, Santiago, Nicholas wrote: > > This is kinda off topic, but I thought I'd ask anyway. > > > > Does anyone know of a successful way to clone Mac OS X boxes? I tried using > > Carbon Copy Cloner with a Firewire/1394 cable connecting two Macs, and > > nothing. Does anyone have any ideas or know of links to a good walkthough? I am currently administering 45 OS X boxes using Radmind from www.radmind.org The server portion is running on a linux box, but will as easily run on an OS X machine. The way it works is a client is run locally on the OS X box that gets the MD5 or SSHA sums of all the files on the machine. It will then connect to the server and check against a list of checksums that was generated when the image was first created. If anything does not match up, it will download it to the client, replacing the file that has been changed. I currently have my client machines running a daily cron job that syncs with the server. Students can abuse the machines all day, and everything will be working the next morning. Its also a great way to push out critical updates. From haysja at sages.us Fri Sep 17 15:35:57 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:35:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC from "outside" the local network Message-ID: <414B045D.7030701@sages.us> I have the following configuration for a K12LTSP lab in our middle school: Lab Terminals <-------> K12LTSP server <--------->Rest of our network<------->Internet The Lab Terminals are connected to the local side of the K12LTSP server and receive DHCP from K12LTSP (192,168.0.x) and the "Rest of our network" uses IP numbers in the 10.6.x.x range. I need to be able to get a session (through VNC or X or ??) from the part of our network that is outside the K12LTSP lab. Could anyone tell me how I would go about doing that? Now, when I try to VNC into the machine, it doesn't work. TIA From petre at maltzen.net Fri Sep 17 15:52:50 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:52:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC from "outside" the local network In-Reply-To: <414B045D.7030701@sages.us> References: <414B045D.7030701@sages.us> Message-ID: <414B0852.2080601@maltzen.net> Can you run vncviewer on the server's console and connect to the server? If not, check the /etc/xinetd.d/vnc file to make sure Disable is set to no (the default setting is yes, rendering it unavailable). Petre Jim Hays wrote: > I have the following configuration for a K12LTSP lab in our middle > school: > > Lab Terminals <-------> K12LTSP server <--------->Rest of our > network<------->Internet > > The Lab Terminals are connected to the local side of the K12LTSP > server and receive DHCP from K12LTSP (192,168.0.x) and the "Rest of > our network" uses IP numbers in the 10.6.x.x range. > > I need to be able to get a session (through VNC or X or ??) from the > part of our network that is outside the K12LTSP lab. > Could anyone tell me how I would go about doing that? Now, when I try > to VNC into the machine, it doesn't work. > TIA > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Fri Sep 17 16:01:54 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 11:01:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC from "outside" the local network In-Reply-To: <414B045D.7030701@sages.us> References: <414B045D.7030701@sages.us> Message-ID: <1095436914.7228.10.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2004-09-17 at 10:35, Jim Hays wrote: > I need to be able to get a session (through VNC or X or ??) from the > part of our network that is outside the K12LTSP lab. > > Could anyone tell me how I would go about doing that? Now, when I try > to VNC into the machine, it doesn't work. First, you have to use the machine's 'outside' interface IP address or DNS name for the connection. Next you either have to make sure you don't have iptables firewalling blocking the X/vnc connection, or you have to use ssh forwarding to get through. If there is a machine that accepts ssh logins that you can reach from outside and that can reach the vnc server (in this case they are the same box...) and you are using the Linux vncviewer program you can use the -via gateway option and it will set up ssh port-forwarding for you. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From haysja at sages.us Fri Sep 17 16:07:36 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 11:07:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC from "outside" the local network In-Reply-To: <1095436914.7228.10.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <414B045D.7030701@sages.us> <1095436914.7228.10.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <414B0BC8.4060005@sages.us> Thanks for the info. Les Mikesell wrote: >On Fri, 2004-09-17 at 10:35, Jim Hays wrote: > > >>I need to be able to get a session (through VNC or X or ??) from the >>part of our network that is outside the K12LTSP lab. >> >>Could anyone tell me how I would go about doing that? Now, when I try >>to VNC into the machine, it doesn't work. >> >> > >First, you have to use the machine's 'outside' interface IP address >or DNS name for the connection. Next you either have to make >sure you don't have iptables firewalling blocking the X/vnc >connection, or you have to use ssh forwarding to get through. > >If there is a machine that accepts ssh logins that you can reach from >outside and that can reach the vnc server (in this case they are >the same box...) and you are using the Linux vncviewer program >you can use the -via gateway option and it will set up ssh >port-forwarding for you. > >--- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Fri Sep 17 19:11:06 2004 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 15:11:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC from "outside" the local network In-Reply-To: <414B045D.7030701@sages.us> References: <414B045D.7030701@sages.us> Message-ID: <414B36CA.7050505@cfl.rr.com> Depending on your client, one of these ought to get you set up correctly for secure SSH tunneled VNC access. Just remember to forward port 22 from your external router to your LTSP box in the router configuration of that particular router, which you did not specify. Cheers, BC http://www.sourcecodecorner.com/articles/vnc/linux.asp http://www.benjamin.weiss.name/putty-tunnel.html http://www.uk.research.att.com/archive/vnc/sshvnc.html http://eudyptula.freezope.org/ms/Cygwin-SSH-VNC-HowTo.html Jim Hays wrote: > I have the following configuration for a K12LTSP lab in our middle > school: > > Lab Terminals <-------> K12LTSP server <--------->Rest of our > network<------->Internet > > The Lab Terminals are connected to the local side of the K12LTSP > server and receive DHCP from K12LTSP (192,168.0.x) and the "Rest of > our network" uses IP numbers in the 10.6.x.x range. > > I need to be able to get a session (through VNC or X or ??) from the > part of our network that is outside the K12LTSP lab. > Could anyone tell me how I would go about doing that? Now, when I try > to VNC into the machine, it doesn't work. > TIA > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From cliebow at downeast.net Fri Sep 17 19:39:04 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 19:39:04 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] VNC from "outside" the local network Message-ID: <200409171944.i8HJi4229575@downeast.net> i use sshvnc-applet ala derek dresser across the internet from home...perhaps that would work (from any java enabled web browser.. chuck > I have the following configuration for a K12LTSP lab in our middle school: > > Lab Terminals <-------> K12LTSP server <--------->Rest of our > network<------->Internet > > The Lab Terminals are connected to the local side of the K12LTSP server > and receive DHCP from K12LTSP (192,168.0.x) and the "Rest of our > network" uses IP numbers in the 10.6.x.x range. > > I need to be able to get a session (through VNC or X or ??) from the > part of our network that is outside the K12LTSP lab. > > Could anyone tell me how I would go about doing that? Now, when I try > to VNC into the machine, it doesn't work. > > TIA > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From gumprechtm at msln.net Fri Sep 17 20:10:01 2004 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 16:10:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC from "outside" the local network In-Reply-To: <200409171944.i8HJi4229575@downeast.net> References: <200409171944.i8HJi4229575@downeast.net> Message-ID: <414B4499.6010204@msln.net> I second the sshvnc-applet. I'm running that per Derek's directions (and help). It is slick. Mark cliebow at downeast.net wrote: >i use sshvnc-applet ala derek dresser across the internet from >home...perhaps that would work (from any java enabled web browser.. >chuck > > > >>I have the following configuration for a K12LTSP lab in our middle school: >> >>Lab Terminals <-------> K12LTSP server <--------->Rest of our >>network<------->Internet >> >>The Lab Terminals are connected to the local side of the K12LTSP server >>and receive DHCP from K12LTSP (192,168.0.x) and the "Rest of our >>network" uses IP numbers in the 10.6.x.x range. >> >>I need to be able to get a session (through VNC or X or ??) from the >>part of our network that is outside the K12LTSP lab. >> >> >> > > > > >>Could anyone tell me how I would go about doing that? Now, when I try >>to VNC into the machine, it doesn't work. >> >>TIA >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > > >--------------------------------------------- >This message was sent from Downeast.Net. >http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD#3 Unity, Maine 04988 Gumprechtm at msln.net From missive at hotmail.com Fri Sep 17 21:10:07 2004 From: missive at hotmail.com (Lee Harr) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 01:40:07 +0430 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Personal web pages for students Message-ID: >The college I work for has asked that students have the ability to host >web content through personal web pages. Although I am fairly new to >Linux, I have decided that a LAMP setup would provide this ability while >staying within the budgetary constraints (that is to say no money has >been allocated to complete this task!). > >I have two questions: >1) What permissions are required on the userdir directory? =20 >2) How are other schools, colleges and universities dealing with this >sort of request? In particular, how are your students uploading their >files to the server? (FTP, WebDAV, etc...) > >Many thanks for any help or advice you can offer, > LAMP is nice, of course, but how about Zope (and possibly Plone) ? http://zope.org/ http://www.plone.org/ _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From be_j_ma at optusnet.com.au Fri Sep 17 22:41:49 2004 From: be_j_ma at optusnet.com.au (ben may) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 08:41:49 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Booting Problems References: <20040917122443.C353473CBC@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <002d01c49d07$907364f0$b3df1dd3@boss> Sorry i'm still a rookie, in knoppix i opened a root shell and typed fsck /dev/hdb1 (the partition that has it all on it.../boot, /home, /root etc.) and it says; do you want to continue, running e2fsck will cause severe damage in your filesystems continue Y / N do i continue? Thanks Ben May > Yes, you can do a fresh install leavning /home intact (reason enough > for keeping /home in its own partition). But you almost certainly > don't need to do that. And if you do, you really want your password > database (/etc/passwd, group, shadow) too. > > Boot off a Knoppix CD & fsck the drives, especially the /boot > parition. That'll probably solve your problem, but if it doesn't you > can use Knoppix to move your data somewhere else. > > When you get your system back up, start making backups. The way that > I do it is run an old machine with a big IDE drive. Every hour a > process runs that rsync's the hard drive to the backup machine. The > backup machine keeps 1-2 hour, 1-2-day and 1-2 week-old copies. It's > mighty handy to be able to pull up an old file and I sleep better. > > > On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 16:09:52 +1000, ben may wrote: > > Hi, > > after having a power cut, i realised that my UPS was not working, now at > > boot my server says 'Kernel Panic: No Init found try passing init= option ' > > after google-ing that there were a few people that have had the same > > problem. but no answers. > > > > I have alot of data that i dont want to loose so re-installing is my last > > option, or can i just reinstall with out loosing data in /home dir? > > Thanks > > > > Ben May From haynest at mchsi.com Fri Sep 17 23:09:33 2004 From: haynest at mchsi.com (Thomas E. Haynes) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 18:09:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Personal web pages for students In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200409172309.i8HN9o1q023581@mx3.redhat.com> -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Lee Harr Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 4:10 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Personal web pages for students >The college I work for has asked that students have the ability to host >web content through personal web pages. Although I am fairly new to >Linux, I have decided that a LAMP setup would provide this ability >while staying within the budgetary constraints (that is to say no money >has been allocated to complete this task!). > >I have two questions: >1) What permissions are required on the userdir directory? =20 >2) How are other schools, colleges and universities dealing with this >sort of request? In particular, how are your students uploading their >files to the server? (FTP, WebDAV, etc...) FWIW, we provide userdirectory web pages for all our students. I was the one who set the server up, etc. We have about 800 users on this machine. We are in a Windows AD environment. The samba server authenticates off the PDC, so I create the user directories via batch in webmin. In webmin, I set the "create permissions for home directories" to 0711. In the skel file, you can create template pages or whatever. If you are using the username/private for personal file storage, set permissions on that to 0700. The public_html directory gets 0755 permissions. The students get the public_html user directory mapped when they log in. They modify files and do projects there. The "uploads" are obviously via samba, and they are restricted to the internal network. You could easily enough set up vsftpd to provide access to the same user directories, but you would have to handle authentication some other way. As an example of a student folder http://student.culver.org/~fardelb/math has some math projects done last year. This has really worked very well for us, and Linux has made it easy. Our budget was simliar to yours. From usernamenumber at gmail.com Fri Sep 17 23:18:26 2004 From: usernamenumber at gmail.com (Brad Smith) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 16:18:26 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Almost there with G3 PowerMac clients. Need help with module error! Message-ID: Hi all, I recently wrote this to the author of the "Nubus Powermacs as ltsp clients) HOWTO, but it bounced back. So I thought I'd re-send here in case he reads this list and/or someone else can help me out. Huge thanks in advance to anyone who does! NOTE: Thanks to some help from this list, I actually have these systems booting YDL and accessing the ltsp server via X --query, but I'm trying to take it the next step and get an actual nfs-rooted system set up now. -------- Hi Skip, I'm doing some volunteer work for a local school who has a bunch of old power mac G3/266 machines. I'm trying to breathe some new life into these systems by setting them up as ltsp clients. However, since these are apparently not "nubus" systems, the instructions in your HOWTO will not work for them. Of course, I don't expect you to go too far out of your way for an edge case like this, but I'd like to take a moment of your time to let you know what my situation is and see if you have any advice. I'm not much of a mac person, but I can only assume that at some point Apple radically changed the processor architecture that they used for their systems because the Mach kernel you provide does not boot on these G3s. Is my assumption correct? Anyway, I have installed Yellow Dog 2.3 on the mac and compiled a custom kernel (2.4.19) with root_nfs support. I would have expected that if your kernel didn't run on my machine, the ramdisk you included would also be incompatible, but this does not seem to be the case. Using my kernel and your initrd the system boots, mounts /opt/ltsp/ppc from the server and then does a pivot_root. After the pivot_root, however (and so, I assume, once it starts using files on the server instead of the ramdisk) things go downhill. I get an endless loop of: failed to exec /sbin/modprobe -s -k binfmt-4c46, errno=8 At this point I'm a bit out of my element, not being a kernel person. But from what I've read this implies that the kernel does not have support for the requisite type of binary. However, if I boot that same kernel with a local root, I can mount server:/opt/ltsp/ppc and run the executables therein perfectly. I can do the same with the contents of your ramdisk. So now, frankly, I'm just confused. =;) If you have any advice as to how I might fix this problem, I would greatly, greatly appreciate it. Thanks! --Brad From pnakashi at k12.hi.us Sat Sep 18 00:47:31 2004 From: pnakashi at k12.hi.us (pnakashi at k12.hi.us) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 14:47:31 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Tuxpaint config Message-ID: <5c65b5519c.5519c5c65b@k12.hi.us> I just found http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/tuxpaint/docs/ So now I'm playing with the config file /etc/tuxpaint/tuxpaint.conf I am now very happy to have full screen mode, simple shapes, and uppercase tool descriptions for our K and 1 students. Next I want to set all printing to print to a png file. What command do I use? By the way, currently, whenever I print, the program crashes :-( Tuxpaint 0.9.13 K12LTSP 4.0.1 --Peter printcommand=COMMAND Use the command COMMAND to print a PNG file. If not set, the default command is: pngtopnm | pnmtops | lpr Which converts the PNG to a NetPBM 'portable anymap', then converts that to a PostScript file, and finally sends that to the printer, using the "lpr" command. From nbs at sonic.net Sat Sep 18 01:43:26 2004 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 18:43:26 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Tuxpaint config In-Reply-To: <5c65b5519c.5519c5c65b@k12.hi.us> References: <5c65b5519c.5519c5c65b@k12.hi.us> Message-ID: <20040918014326.GB11191@sonic.net> Scott Belford had actually forwarded Peter's post of this from HOSEF-managers to me directly, so I replied privately before. Here's my response! On Fri, Sep 17, 2004 at 02:47:31PM -1000, pnakashi at k12.hi.us wrote: > >I just found > > > >http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/tuxpaint/docs/ > > > >So now I'm playing with the config file /etc/tuxpaint/tuxpaint.conf Cool! BTW, you might be happy to hear we've got a completely graphical configuration tool coming out with Tux Paint 0.9.14 (to be released within a week, I hope!) You can see a screenshot of it here: http://newbreedsoftware.com/tuxpaint/screenshots/tuxpaint-config-sshot.png > >I am now very happy to have full screen mode, simple shapes, and > >uppercase tool descriptions for our K and 1 students. Next I want to > >set all printing to print to a png file. What command do I use? Ah, you want it to actually CREATE a PNG file when you hit print? Well, the easiest would be something like: printcommand=cat > somefile.png But in that case, the file would be overwritten the next time you print. I'm not sure the best method of having it either prompt for a filename (this would have to occur in an external program; I imagine something like KDialog or Kommander in KDE could be useful here), or use some timestamp or other unique value for the filename. Does that help, at all? > >By the way, currently, whenever I print, the program crashes :-( > >Tuxpaint 0.9.13 K12LTSP 4.0.1 --Peter Oh dear! I wonder... is NetPBM and lpr installed? I'm not sure how well Tux Paint would survive a Print command if they didn't (I suppose I should test these things, huh? :^) ) If you can do the following, and get a picture to print, then you have everything installed that you need, and something in Tux Paint might be broken... cd ~/.tuxpaint/saved/ cat `ls *.png | head -1` | pngtopnm | pnmtops | lpr (What that does is place you in the 'saved files' folder for Tux Paint and print the oldest picture (The "ls *.png | head -1" gets the file's name, and then we cat that file to the same chain of commands Tux Paint tries to use for printing.) Another good test, before doing all that, is: which pngtopnm which pnmtops which lpr For example, the first 'which' should return something like: /usr/bin/pngtopnm If any of those 'which' commands complain, and you're SURE these programs are installed, then it might be a path problem. You might want to do something similar to this in Tux Paint's config file: printcommand=/usr/local/bin/pngtopnm | /usr/local/bin/pnmtops | /sbin/lpr (obviously, the pathes would all depend on where those programs actually ARE on your system; I don't have a [K12]LTSP setup to play with, sadly.) -bill! From be_j_ma at optusnet.com.au Sat Sep 18 22:35:41 2004 From: be_j_ma at optusnet.com.au (ben may) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 08:35:41 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Booting problesms References: <20040917231846.9FABC7325E@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <000501c49dcf$d5272500$dcc3a4cb@boss> After Bootong my server from knopix and open a root shell ' fsck /dev/hdb1' (hdb1 being the partition with /home, /boot etc.) I also tried runing linux rescue from the k12ltsp instal disc these errors arrose *Error Mounting Hda3 Invalid Argument * Rescue An error occures trying to mount some or all of your system. some of it may be mounted under /mnt/sysimage Press enter to get a shell, the system will reboot when you exit the shell. ------ If i cant get this going i will just have to re-install leaving the /home dir alone i dont mind redoing the users and passwords Thanks for your help so far. Ben May From be_j_ma at optusnet.com.au Sat Sep 18 22:38:36 2004 From: be_j_ma at optusnet.com.au (ben may) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 08:38:36 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Booting Problems References: <20040917153615.C7315735C8@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <001801c49dd0$3cf7aec0$dcc3a4cb@boss> K12LTSP 4.0.1 i'll try that when i get a chance Thanks Ben May > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 07:52:36 -0500 > From: Les Mikesell > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Booting Problems > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Message-ID: <1095425556.17070.17.camel at les-home.futuresource.com> > Content-Type: text/plain > > On Fri, 2004-09-17 at 01:09, ben may wrote: > > after having a power cut, i realised that my UPS was not working, now at > > boot my server says 'Kernel Panic: No Init found try passing init= option ' > > after google-ing that there were a few people that have had the same > > problem. but no answers. > > > > I have alot of data that i dont want to loose so re-installing is my last > > option, or can i just reinstall with out loosing data in /home dir? > > Out of curiosity, is this an old 3.x system with ext2 filesystems > or 4.x with ext3? I've had several ext2 problems where the > automatic fsck at bootup would fail because there were too many > errors, but it would drop to a shell and suggest doing it > manually. Doing that and answering 'y' to all the fixes always > worked for me as long as the drive was still functioning. > > I'd try booting the install CD first, with 'linux rescue' at > the boot prompt. This may perform the fsck you need and will > try to mount the existing partitions so you can chroot there > and check things out. The fedora based versions will also > offer to bring up the network interfaces so you could back > up some files if the root partition is hopelessly broken. > If the partitions look OK in the rescue mount but still > won't boot, you may be able to fix it by doing an 'upgrade' > from the CD's instead of an install. > > I'll plug backuppc again (http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/) > as the most painless way to have backup copies of things > when you need them. > > ---- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Sun Sep 19 05:19:31 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 00:19:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Booting problesms In-Reply-To: <000501c49dcf$d5272500$dcc3a4cb@boss> References: <20040917231846.9FABC7325E@hormel.redhat.com> <000501c49dcf$d5272500$dcc3a4cb@boss> Message-ID: <414D16E3.1000005@futuresource.com> ben may wrote: >I also tried runing linux rescue from the k12ltsp instal disc these errors >arrose >*Error Mounting Hda3 > Invalid Argument >* Rescue > An error occures trying to mount some or all of your system. some of it >may be mounted under /mnt/sysimage > Press enter to get a shell, the system will reboot when you exit the >shell. > > What's on hda3, and did you try to fsck it? --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Sun Sep 19 10:15:26 2004 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: 19 Sep 2004 18:15:26 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] scanner on client In-Reply-To: <33531.216.216.171.3.1095425682.squirrel@216.216.171.3> References: <20040917015153.9DD9673215@hormel.redhat.com> <,> <002601c49c7c$f332b180$4fdf1dd3@boss> <33531.216.216.171.3.1095425682.squirrel@216.216.171.3> Message-ID: <1095588943.18103.7.camel@compaq.mydomain> On Fri, 2004-09-17 at 20:54, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > Steve Wright (paua -at- quicksilver.nz.net) has worked out the scanner > access on usb port for the previous version of ltsp. the new version is Julius, being a fellow kiwi with Steve W, and you seemed to have some familiarity with him in the past, do you know whatever happened to that man? He was a PPPOUS (pretty prolific poster of useful stuff) on this list for a good while then seemed to drop off the face of the earth. Haven't seen a posting from him all year. Any ideas? Has he moved on to bigger and better things? Just curious. -- Regards, Gavin Chester (West Aussie dweller, not kiwi) From julius at turtle.com Sun Sep 19 14:33:02 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 10:33:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] scanner on client In-Reply-To: <1095588943.18103.7.camel@compaq.mydomain> References: <20040917015153.9DD9673215@hormel.redhat.com> <,> <002601c49c7c$f332b180$4fdf1dd3@boss> <33531.216.216.171.3.1095425682.squirrel@216.216.171.3> <1095588943.18103.7.camel@compaq.mydomain> Message-ID: <3048.70.212.172.220.1095604382.squirrel@70.212.172.220> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > On Fri, 2004-09-17 at 20:54, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > >> Steve Wright (paua -at- quicksilver.nz.net) has worked out the scanner >> access on usb port for the previous version of ltsp. the new version is > > Julius, being a fellow kiwi with Steve W, and you seemed to have some > familiarity with him in the past, do you know whatever happened to that > man? He was a PPPOUS (pretty prolific poster of useful stuff) on this > list for a good while then seemed to drop off the face of the earth. > Haven't seen a posting from him all year. Any ideas? Has he moved on > to bigger and better things? Just curious. > -- > Regards, > > Gavin Chester (West Aussie dweller, not kiwi) Gavin, Steve is fine and he is finishing the scanner setup for current ltsp. Why he stopped posting, I don't know, but we can prod him a bit ;-) julius -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBTZie2LhlZOaj6vURAmgPAJ92fuN2jQALwnfY1aGS4L1ym2WbKgCaA9IP 2sbOCn/N79mqYjkWhrB6tBg= =1DXQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From be_j_ma at optusnet.com.au Sun Sep 19 22:46:56 2004 From: be_j_ma at optusnet.com.au (ben may) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 08:46:56 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Booting Problems |DONE| References: <20040919160018.2959A73DAE@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <000801c49e9a$91cb79c0$edc4a4cb@boss> I just used my knoppix disc and moved all my data to another PC, and reformated and instaled. there seemed to be a problem with /hda3 ??? anyway i did notice that it was ext3 so when i re-installed i made it ext2, ( i've had a better experience with that.) also when i let it auto partition it was leaving about 20gig un used so i fixed that up aswell (i have 2 hdd) Thanks everyone Ben May From robark at telus.net Sun Sep 19 23:34:42 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 16:34:42 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Security fixes In-Reply-To: <1095253110.11175.15.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <1095253110.11175.15.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <414E1792.1090204@telus.net> Les Mikesell wrote: >On Wed, 2004-09-15 at 00:51, Eric Harrison wrote: > > > >>Security updates for K12LTSP 3.1.2 now originate from the Fedora >>Legacy project, http://www.fedoralegacy.org >> >>I mirror the updated packages to the K12LTSP apt/yum repository, >>so if you use apt or yum you'll have the latest packages that I >>have. >> >> > >What should be in the apt/yum config files to use this >repository? > >--- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > I would also like to know what to put in /etc/yum.conf before running #yum update on our school server running 3.1.2 Robert From brockn at gmail.com Mon Sep 20 01:32:34 2004 From: brockn at gmail.com (Brock Noland) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 20:32:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] off topic: anyone who wants a gmail account reply and I will invite you. Message-ID: <741dcbb8040919183259982798@mail.gmail.com> see subject From jdmeister at socal.rr.com Mon Sep 20 01:57:14 2004 From: jdmeister at socal.rr.com (jdmeister) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 18:57:14 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] off topic: anyone who wants a gmail account reply and I will invite you. References: <741dcbb8040919183259982798@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000d01c49eb5$266eeed0$eacd1b42@D7KL2Q21> Thank you. I would love a gmail account Jerry Dixon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brock Noland" To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 6:32 PM Subject: [K12OSN] off topic: anyone who wants a gmail account reply and I will invite you. > see subject > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From bear2bar at netscape.net Mon Sep 20 02:13:24 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 22:13:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] profile lock down how to ??? Message-ID: <414E3CC4.40604@netscape.net> Hi, Is there a "simple" way of locking down the user profiles so that the students can write/save files to there directory but cannot change ANY other settings, i.e. remove icons, change desktop, etc... thks norbert From bullet at sc.rr.com Mon Sep 20 02:28:51 2004 From: bullet at sc.rr.com (Tom Simpson) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 22:28:51 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Superteaching? Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040919222848.0290aa40@pop-server.sc.rr.com> I was wondering if anybody here was familiar with the claims made by the people over at http://www.superteaching.org and their hyper expensive multimedia teaching solution, which includes three big plasma displays and a bunch of proprietary hardware and software that keeps a constant stream of multi channeled multimedia content flowing to the kids. And much more to the point, has anybody here put any thought into how one might acomplish some of the same effects for, say, 1/25 of the quoted priced from supterteaching.org using open source solutions, including K12LTSP? Thanks: -Tom -------------- next part -------------- --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.760 / Virus Database: 509 - Release Date: 9/10/2004 From bullet at sc.rr.com Mon Sep 20 02:28:25 2004 From: bullet at sc.rr.com (Tom Simpson) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 22:28:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Superteaching? In-Reply-To: <000d01c49eb5$266eeed0$eacd1b42@D7KL2Q21> References: <741dcbb8040919183259982798@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040919221903.028c7c30@pop-server.sc.rr.com> I was wondering if anybody here was familiar with the claims made by the people over at http://www.superteaching.org and their hyper expensive multimedia teaching solution, which includes three big plasma displays and a bunch of proprietary hardware and software that keeps a constant stream of multi channeled multimedia content flowing to the kids. And much more to the point, has anybody here put any thought into how one might acomplish some of the same effects for, say, 1/25 of the quoted priced from supterteaching.org using open source solutions, including K12LTSP? Thanks: -Tom -------------- next part -------------- --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.760 / Virus Database: 509 - Release Date: 9/10/2004 From jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org Mon Sep 20 09:09:55 2004 From: jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org (Jonathan Carter) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 11:09:55 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Push icons to all desktop Message-ID: <414E9E63.2060308@shuttleworthfoundation.org> Hi list One of our tuXlabs are running K12 LTSP 3.1.2, and the have called me and explained that the "Push icons to all desktops" icon doesn't work (and it never did). Re-installing is not an option, is there anything I can do to troubleshoot/fix this easily? Thanks a lot -Jonathan -- Jonathan Carter The Shuttleworth Foundation - Supporting social innovation Ph (021) 970 1230 | Fax: (021) 970 1231 http://www.shuttleworthfoundation.org Try UbuntuLinux- Software for the bold: www.ubuntulinux.org From sudev at mantraonline.com Mon Sep 20 10:38:34 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 16:08:34 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Push icons to all desktop In-Reply-To: <414E9E63.2060308@shuttleworthfoundation.org> References: <414E9E63.2060308@shuttleworthfoundation.org> Message-ID: <1095676714.26974.2.camel@server.ltsp> On Mon, 2004-09-20 at 14:39, Jonathan Carter wrote: > One of our tuXlabs are running K12 LTSP 3.1.2, and the have called me > and explained that the "Push icons to all desktops" icon doesn't work > (and it never did). Re-installing is not an option, is there anything I > can do to troubleshoot/fix this easily? Thanks a lot If you look at the script /usr/sbin/push-icons-to-users-desktops it is fairly simple. Most of the time it does not work because users directories are not at /home/USER but /home/class/USER or something similar. Just change the script to reflect the correct path where users directories are located. -- Sudev Barar From lsrpm at mts.net Mon Sep 20 13:02:58 2004 From: lsrpm at mts.net (Liam Marshall) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 08:02:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SATA vs SCSI Message-ID: <414ED502.20709@mts.net> this is my current hard drive situation, which will probably have to stay until next year. 1 - small regular ide drive for the system to boot off of. I t holds the /boot partition and does nothing else 1 - 8 GB ibm SCSI drive, holding /root /usr etc 1 - 18 HB Seagate SCSI holding /home /opt and the /swap partition no raid In an earlier thread, someone mentioned using SATA drives successfully with a large number of users, 25+ When I go to configure next years server(we will upgrade) can I use SATA drives in a raid 0 configuration? I want to increase performance hence the raid 0, but heard that SATA drives might not handle a class of 25+ workstations any advice? SATA is cheaper, I assume, than SCSI, so that would be a preferred path if true From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Sep 20 13:09:15 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 08:09:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Blacklist In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <004001c49f13$0783f520$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > /etc/postfix.in/main.cf, line 649: missing '=' after > attribute name: "hash:/etc/postfix.in/client_access" > "smtpd_recipient_restrictions": specify at least one working > instance of: check_relay_domains, reject_unauth_destination, > reject, defer or defer_if_permit Sep 16 20:58:54 mail It looks to me like you are missing the = after smtpd_recipient_restrictions. How about you attach a copy of your main.cf for a look through. I have attached a copy of my main.cf for you to look through and compare. Hope this helps. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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I want to increase > performance hence > the raid 0, but heard that SATA drives might not handle a > class of 25+ > workstations In my opinion I would always go RAID 5 whenever possible. You get the speed of striping and the redundancy of mirroring...but better. As far as SATA RAID goes over SCSI it is definitely cheaper. But take my advice and post before buying and controller and make sure you talk to someone who has one running and booting before buying. I didn?t do that and now my nice RAID 5 SATA controller is only running /home and is unable to boot, so my boot drive is a 20GB IDE as a quick fix. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.744 / Virus Database: 496 - Release Date: 8/24/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From bear2bar at netscape.net Mon Sep 20 13:16:44 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 09:16:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] HELP how to lock down profile and more??? Message-ID: <414ED83C.3060701@netscape.net> Hi, Is there a "simple" way of locking down the user profiles so that the students can write/save files to there directory but cannot change ANY other settings, i.e. remove icons, change desktop, etc... Also when a student logs in with the same user name as another the original user gets logged off & if their work wasn't saved its lost. How can users be prevented form logging in as another without this happening ? thks norbert _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From spowers at inlandlakes.org Mon Sep 20 13:24:52 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 09:24:52 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] HELP how to lock down profile and more??? In-Reply-To: <414ED83C.3060701@netscape.net> References: <414ED83C.3060701@netscape.net> Message-ID: <414EDA24.9010808@inlandlakes.org> norbert wrote: > Is there a "simple" way of locking down the user profiles so that the > students can write/save files to there directory but cannot change ANY Depending on the window manager you use -- I think KDE is able to be locked down a bit... I would suggest looking at the specific documentation for the desktop manager you use. (Gnome, KDE, etc) > How > can users be prevented form logging in as another without this happening ? Don't smack me -- but, "Change the passwords to something that other users don't know" comes to mind... :) Seriously though, users should not be able to log in as each other anyway... -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From bear2bar at netscape.net Mon Sep 20 13:35:11 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 09:35:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] HELP how to lock down profile and more??? In-Reply-To: <414EDA24.9010808@inlandlakes.org> References: <414ED83C.3060701@netscape.net> <414EDA24.9010808@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <414EDC8F.1000303@netscape.net> Hi, I'm using gnome as a desktop manager .. suggestions ???? For the users in this lab there are no passwords ! So by just entering a username they can login, hence the problem!!!! thks norbert spowers at inlandlakes.org wrote: > norbert wrote: > >> Is there a "simple" way of locking down the user profiles so that the >> students can write/save files to there directory but cannot change ANY > > > Depending on the window manager you use -- I think KDE is able to be > locked down a bit... I would suggest looking at the specific > documentation for the desktop manager you use. (Gnome, KDE, etc) > >> How can users be prevented form logging in as another without this >> happening ? > > > Don't smack me -- but, "Change the passwords to something that other > users don't know" comes to mind... :) > > Seriously though, users should not be able to log in as each other > anyway... > > -Shawn > From jkinz at kinz.org Mon Sep 20 13:48:37 2004 From: jkinz at kinz.org (Jeff Kinz) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 09:48:37 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] HELP how to lock down profile and more??? In-Reply-To: <414EDA24.9010808@inlandlakes.org>; from spowers@inlandlakes.org on Mon, Sep 20, 2004 at 09:24:52AM -0400 References: <414ED83C.3060701@netscape.net> <414EDA24.9010808@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <20040920094837.A22098@redline.comcast.net> On Mon, Sep 20, 2004 at 09:24:52AM -0400, Shawn Powers wrote: > norbert wrote: > > Is there a "simple" way of locking down the user profiles so that the > > students can write/save files to there directory but cannot change ANY > > Depending on the window manager you use -- I think KDE is able to be > locked down a bit... I would suggest looking at the specific > documentation for the desktop manager you use. (Gnome, KDE, etc) > > > How > > can users be prevented form logging in as another without this happening ? > > Don't smack me -- but, "Change the passwords to something that other > users don't know" comes to mind... :) > > Seriously though, users should not be able to log in as each other anyway... [[ SMACK! ]] oh, sorry, man. I slipped. :-) There are scenarios where you don't want user's to be able to change their profiles/setup info even when they can only login as themselves. One way to do this is to have all the user's .profile files, and other relevant dot files be owned by root, but be readable and executable by the user. for user in `cat listofusers` ; do cd ~${user} for file in in `cat list` ; do chown root $file chmod 755 $file done done You have to create the files "listofusers" and the file "list" The contents of "list" is the gotcha. Exactly which files need to be kept frozen and which ones must the user be allowed to modify is very important. For example the browser cache must be writable by the user, but some browser proxy settings shouldn't be. (etc...). If you only have a few things to worry about this solution may be OK for you. If you have a lot of things to freeze, a better solution is to use some kind of kiosk mode, which I understand KDE has added to the KDE "system". I haven't used this yet but I understand it does work now (though newish). If it does what you want, it might be the best way to go. -- Linux/Open Source. Now all your base belongs to you, for free. ============================================================ Idealism: "Realism applied over a longer time period" Jeff Kinz, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. From spowers at inlandlakes.org Mon Sep 20 13:52:08 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 09:52:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice Printing Help` Message-ID: <414EE088.5060109@inlandlakes.org> Ok, The printing from openoffice has not worked for me in quite some time. I would prefer to set it so that ANY printing from openoffice is forced to the generic lpr program (which is actually, for me, pointed to a printer selection utility). Is there any way to get this done? Ironically, I *don't* want the other installed cups printers to be available in openoffice, AND I would like to add a comment "Print to this printer" for the generic one... I see in /usr/lib/openoffice there are some config files for psprint -- but how do I force users to read that? I see that everyone already has a .openoffice folder in their home directory, and blanketly erasing it scares me. PLUS, I'm still not sure how to get openoffice to stop listing all the installed cups printers. Even though they are listed, none of them actually work -- and they don't give error messages... *sigh* Thanks in advance for any pointers, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From dharkness at nsd2.com Mon Sep 20 13:52:01 2004 From: dharkness at nsd2.com (Dale Harkness) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 08:52:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] sound not working Message-ID: <414EE081.9080400@nsd2.com> i used the K12LTSP guide to getting sound to work, and needless to say we can't get it to work. anybody have success getting sound to work and can describe it in detail? thanks. From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Sep 20 14:09:36 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 10:09:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice Printing Help` In-Reply-To: <414EE088.5060109@inlandlakes.org> References: <414EE088.5060109@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: What versions of K12LTSP and OO are you using? "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Mon Sep 20 2004 at 09:52 +0000 wrote: >Ok, > >The printing from openoffice has not worked for me in quite some time. >I would prefer to set it so that ANY printing from openoffice is forced >to the generic lpr program (which is actually, for me, pointed to a >printer selection utility). > >Is there any way to get this done? Ironically, I *don't* want the other >installed cups printers to be available in openoffice, AND I would like >to add a comment "Print to this printer" for the generic one... > >I see in /usr/lib/openoffice there are some config files for psprint -- >but how do I force users to read that? I see that everyone already has >a .openoffice folder in their home directory, and blanketly erasing it >scares me. PLUS, I'm still not sure how to get openoffice to stop >listing all the installed cups printers. Even though they are listed, >none of them actually work -- and they don't give error messages... > >*sigh* > >Thanks in advance for any pointers, >-Shawn David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Sep 20 14:12:10 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 10:12:10 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SATA vs SCSI In-Reply-To: <004901c49f13$db216390$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> References: <004901c49f13$db216390$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Mon Sep 20 2004 at 09:15 +0000 wrote: >In my opinion I would always go RAID 5 whenever possible. You get the >speed of striping and the redundancy of mirroring...but better. At a cost since you lose the physical capacity of one drive right? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Sep 20 14:12:10 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 10:12:10 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SATA vs SCSI In-Reply-To: <004901c49f13$db216390$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> References: <004901c49f13$db216390$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Mon Sep 20 2004 at 09:15 +0000 wrote: >In my opinion I would always go RAID 5 whenever possible. You get the >speed of striping and the redundancy of mirroring...but better. At a cost since you lose the physical capacity of one drive right? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From julius at turtle.com Mon Sep 20 14:14:22 2004 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 10:14:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] scanner on client In-Reply-To: <1095588943.18103.7.camel@compaq.mydomain> References: <20040917015153.9DD9673215@hormel.redhat.com> <,> <002601c49c7c$f332b180$4fdf1dd3@boss> <33531.216.216.171.3.1095425682.squirrel@216.216.171.3> <1095588943.18103.7.camel@compaq.mydomain> Message-ID: <3133.216.216.171.235.1095689662.squirrel@216.216.171.235> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Steve is alive and well, I've mangled his address - it is paua at quicksiver.net.nz i've asked him for help with setting up scanning on the terminals, which he did for the 3.0 and 3.1.2 versions. it appears that the new improved usb lib for ltsp 4.1 is really btoken and JimMcQ has no time to fix it, so Steve has used the old sanner module. he is now finishing the packaging, so that i can go production with it - i want to be able to go through the upgrade from my prod 3.1.2 to 4.1.0 without loosing scanners. you can contact him directly, the packaging is rather rough because it was all supposed to go into ltsp 4.1, but it didn't. the sacnning works rather well on cheap scanners. it is not as fast as on directly connected device - network slows it down, but it is fast enough. the problem is scanner selection - when you have many scanners, it is hell. julius > On Fri, 2004-09-17 at 20:54, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > >> Steve Wright (paua -at- quicksilver.nz.net) has worked out the scanner >> access on usb port for the previous version of ltsp. the new version is > > Julius, being a fellow kiwi with Steve W, and you seemed to have some > familiarity with him in the past, do you know whatever happened to that > man? He was a PPPOUS (pretty prolific poster of useful stuff) on this > list for a good while then seemed to drop off the face of the earth. > Haven't seen a posting from him all year. Any ideas? Has he moved on > to bigger and better things? Just curious. > -- > Regards, > > Gavin Chester (West Aussie dweller, not kiwi) > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBTuW+2LhlZOaj6vURAkl8AJ9RkKbzQjGWaj+NYhbIsQ2BEfgDfQCfYIBe prw4CHRp8lCZAdOIeo8owa0= =Olua -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From spowers at inlandlakes.org Mon Sep 20 14:15:21 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 10:15:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice Printing Help` In-Reply-To: References: <414EE088.5060109@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <414EE5F9.5070002@inlandlakes.org> David Trask wrote: > What versions of K12LTSP and OO are you using? Ahh, sorry... K12LTSP 4.0.1 OO.org 1.1.0 (stock install of K12LTSP 4.0.1) -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From spowers at inlandlakes.org Mon Sep 20 14:18:48 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 10:18:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SATA vs SCSI In-Reply-To: References: <004901c49f13$db216390$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <414EE6C8.2010802@inlandlakes.org> David Trask wrote: > At a cost since you lose the physical capacity of one drive right? Yes -- BUT, something I never knew about RAID5: You lose the capacity of (1) of the biggest drives in your array. So for a 3 drive setup, you lose 1/3rd of your space, BUT if you get a RAID5 array of 8 drives, you still get 7/8ths of your space... So depending on the desired result, you can buy drives (and RAID cards) appropriately. -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Sep 20 14:27:34 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 09:27:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SATA vs SCSI In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <005401c49f1d$f8756e50$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > At a cost since you lose the physical capacity of one drive right? Correct. But the failover is definitely worth it to me. That way if one of my drives dies nobody knows and I just have to add a new one back in and let the RAID rebuild itself. You still need a backup system for oops type of stuff, like when a user deletes a file they actually wanted and you have to go back and recover it. But at least you aren't down with a crashed HD and waiting to hopefully restore a backup onto new hardware. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.744 / Virus Database: 496 - Release Date: 8/24/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Sep 20 14:32:08 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 09:32:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SATA vs SCSI In-Reply-To: <414EE6C8.2010802@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <005501c49f1e$9b9931c0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > Yes -- BUT, something I never knew about RAID5: > > You lose the capacity of (1) of the biggest drives in your array. So > for a 3 drive setup, you lose 1/3rd of your space, BUT if you get a > RAID5 array of 8 drives, you still get 7/8ths of your space... > > So depending on the desired result, you can buy drives (and > RAID cards) > appropriately. You got it. Because it doesn't just set one whole drive aside. It actually takes a portion of every drive in the array to store bits of information for every other drive in the array, that way if one fails they all have pieces of information from the failed drive and disperse that information among themselves. I usually try to run a 4 drive minimum so I can take the most advantage of space. But that is of course personal preference. This new SATA machine I built has 5 200GB drives in RAID 5 and I get 800GB of storage for /home. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.744 / Virus Database: 496 - Release Date: 8/24/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From bear2bar at netscape.net Mon Sep 20 14:39:52 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 10:39:52 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] HELP how to lock down profile and more??? In-Reply-To: <20040920094837.A22098@redline.comcast.net> References: <414ED83C.3060701@netscape.net> <414EDA24.9010808@inlandlakes.org> <20040920094837.A22098@redline.comcast.net> Message-ID: <414EEBB8.80501@netscape.net> Hi Jeff, Thanks for the process, just one question. In the list file can I just do a "/.*" for all the dot files in the directory ? thks norbert jkinz at kinz.org wrote: >On Mon, Sep 20, 2004 at 09:24:52AM -0400, Shawn Powers wrote: > > >>norbert wrote: >> >> >>>Is there a "simple" way of locking down the user profiles so that the >>>students can write/save files to there directory but cannot change ANY >>> >>> >>Depending on the window manager you use -- I think KDE is able to be >>locked down a bit... I would suggest looking at the specific >>documentation for the desktop manager you use. (Gnome, KDE, etc) >> >> >> >>>How >>>can users be prevented form logging in as another without this happening ? >>> >>> >>Don't smack me -- but, "Change the passwords to something that other >>users don't know" comes to mind... :) >> >>Seriously though, users should not be able to log in as each other anyway... >> >> > > [[ SMACK! ]] > oh, sorry, man. I slipped. :-) > > >There are scenarios where you don't want user's to be able to change >their profiles/setup info even when they can only login as themselves. > >One way to do this is to have all the user's .profile files, and other >relevant dot files be owned by root, but be readable and executable >by the user. > >for user in `cat listofusers` ; do > cd ~${user} > for file in in `cat list` ; do > chown root $file > chmod 755 $file > done >done > >You have to create the files "listofusers" and the file "list" > >The contents of "list" is the gotcha. Exactly which files >need to be kept frozen and which ones must the user be allowed >to modify is very important. For example the browser cache must be >writable by the user, but some browser proxy settings shouldn't be. >(etc...). If you only have a few things to worry about this solution may >be OK for you. > >If you have a lot of things to freeze, a better solution is to use >some kind of kiosk mode, which I understand KDE has added to the KDE >"system". I haven't used this yet but I understand it does work now >(though newish). > >If it does what you want, it might be the best way to go. > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spowers at inlandlakes.org Mon Sep 20 14:50:39 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 10:50:39 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] HELP how to lock down profile and more??? In-Reply-To: <414EEBB8.80501@netscape.net> References: <414ED83C.3060701@netscape.net> <414EDA24.9010808@inlandlakes.org> <20040920094837.A22098@redline.comcast.net> <414EEBB8.80501@netscape.net> Message-ID: <414EEE3F.5020500@inlandlakes.org> norbert wrote: > Thanks for the process, just one question. In the list file can I just > do a "/.*" for all the dot files in the directory ? The problem there is that "username/.*" includes the "username/.." folder, which is the parent directory (ie, /home/*), NOT something you want to rm -rf... -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From spowers at inlandlakes.org Mon Sep 20 14:53:02 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 10:53:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] HELP how to lock down profile and more??? In-Reply-To: <414EEBB8.80501@netscape.net> References: <414ED83C.3060701@netscape.net> <414EDA24.9010808@inlandlakes.org> <20040920094837.A22098@redline.comcast.net> <414EEBB8.80501@netscape.net> Message-ID: <414EEECE.7010102@inlandlakes.org> norbert wrote: > do a "/.*" for all the dot files in the directory ? Sorry -- I replied to the wrong thread, you aren't trying to do an "rm -rf" on files -- but still, using username/.* includes the parent directory (usually /home) so you probably don't want to fiddle with changing ownership, etc. -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From jkinz at kinz.org Mon Sep 20 15:23:19 2004 From: jkinz at kinz.org (Jeff Kinz) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 11:23:19 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] HELP how to lock down profile and more??? In-Reply-To: <414EEECE.7010102@inlandlakes.org>; from spowers@inlandlakes.org on Mon, Sep 20, 2004 at 10:53:02AM -0400 References: <414ED83C.3060701@netscape.net> <414EDA24.9010808@inlandlakes.org> <20040920094837.A22098@redline.comcast.net> <414EEBB8.80501@netscape.net> <414EEECE.7010102@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <20040920112319.B22098@redline.comcast.net> On Mon, Sep 20, 2004 at 10:53:02AM -0400, Shawn Powers wrote: > norbert wrote: > > do a "/.*" for all the dot files in the directory ? > > Sorry -- I replied to the wrong thread, you aren't trying to do an "rm > -rf" on files -- but still, using username/.* includes the parent > directory (usually /home) so you probably don't want to fiddle with > changing ownership, etc. > I agree w/Shawn, and I'd like to point out that if you do the chmod command as given to /.* (especially if you add the -R "apply recursively option") you will definitely break some things for the user. For example, you may break Internet browsing. Mozilla keeps each user's cache under dotfile directory with the user's home directory. if this is not writable, browsing probably won't work. This is just one example of how things can be broken by applying large changes to the user's dotfiles. I urge caution. (or at the very least some good experimentation and testing on sample accounts prior to roll out). -- Linux/Open Source. Now all your base belongs to you, for free. ============================================================ Idealism: "Realism applied over a longer time period" Jeff Kinz, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. From les at futuresource.com Mon Sep 20 15:22:47 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 10:22:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] HELP how to lock down profile and more??? In-Reply-To: <414EEE3F.5020500@inlandlakes.org> References: <414ED83C.3060701@netscape.net> <414EDA24.9010808@inlandlakes.org> <20040920094837.A22098@redline.comcast.net> <414EEBB8.80501@netscape.net> <414EEE3F.5020500@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <1095693766.24750.43.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2004-09-20 at 09:50, Shawn Powers wrote: > norbert wrote: > > Thanks for the process, just one question. In the list file can I just > > do a "/.*" for all the dot files in the directory ? > > The problem there is that "username/.*" includes the "username/.." > folder, which is the parent directory (ie, /home/*), NOT something you > want to rm -rf... Something like .[a-z]* would be healthier for your system. Do an 'ls' with the same pattern first so you don't have any surprises. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Mon Sep 20 15:42:30 2004 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 08:42:30 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] HELP how to lock down profile and more??? In-Reply-To: <414EDC8F.1000303@netscape.net> References: <414ED83C.3060701@netscape.net> <414EDA24.9010808@inlandlakes.org> <414EDC8F.1000303@netscape.net> Message-ID: <1095694949.27240.2.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> On Mon, 2004-09-20 at 06:35, norbert wrote: > norbert wrote: > > > Is there a "simple" way of locking down the user profiles so that > > the students can write/save files to there directory but cannot > > change > > I'm using gnome as a desktop manager .. suggestions ???? Check out the GNOME Administrator's Guide: http://www.gnome.org/learn/admin-guide/ -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From jkinz at kinz.org Mon Sep 20 15:52:42 2004 From: jkinz at kinz.org (Jeff Kinz) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 11:52:42 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] HELP how to lock down profile and more??? In-Reply-To: <1095694949.27240.2.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us>; from dan_young@parkrose.k12.or.us on Mon, Sep 20, 2004 at 08:42:30AM -0700 References: <414ED83C.3060701@netscape.net> <414EDA24.9010808@inlandlakes.org> <414EDC8F.1000303@netscape.net> <1095694949.27240.2.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <20040920115242.C22098@redline.comcast.net> On Mon, Sep 20, 2004 at 08:42:30AM -0700, Dan Young wrote: > On Mon, 2004-09-20 at 06:35, norbert wrote: > > norbert wrote: > > > > > Is there a "simple" way of locking down the user profiles so that > > > the students can write/save files to there directory but cannot > > > change > > > > I'm using gnome as a desktop manager .. suggestions ???? > > Check out the GNOME Administrator's Guide: > http://www.gnome.org/learn/admin-guide/ Hey Dan, thats a pretty big document. If the capability Norbert is looking for is in Gnome, can you tell us what it is called? (Kiosk, user polices etc.. ) That way Dan will know what to focus in on. (yes, of course its a good idea to read the entire manual, but who has time?:-) > > -- > Dan Young > Parkrose School District > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Linux/Open Source. Now all your base belongs to you, for free. ============================================================ Idealism: "Realism applied over a longer time period" Jeff Kinz, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Mon Sep 20 16:19:52 2004 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 09:19:52 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] HELP how to lock down profile and more??? In-Reply-To: <20040920115242.C22098@redline.comcast.net> References: <414ED83C.3060701@netscape.net> <414EDA24.9010808@inlandlakes.org> <414EDC8F.1000303@netscape.net> <1095694949.27240.2.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> <20040920115242.C22098@redline.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1095697192.27240.13.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> On Mon, 2004-09-20 at 08:52, Jeff Kinz wrote: > Hey Dan, thats a pretty big document. If the capability Norbert is > looking for is in Gnome, can you tell us what it is called? > (Kiosk, user polices etc.. ) These things seemed apropos (for GNOME v2.6) in my brief glance: http://www.gnome.org/learn/admin-guide/2.6/ch02s07.html http://www.gnome.org/learn/admin-guide/2.6/ch10.html -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Mon Sep 20 16:40:19 2004 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 11:40:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SATA vs SCSI In-Reply-To: References: <004901c49f13$db216390$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Yes, but RAID 5 requires at least 3 drives (it wouldn't make any sense with fewer.) But it really shines with 4 or 5 drives. Basically, it scales up better as you add drives. On Sep 20, 2004, at 9:12 AM, David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." > on > Mon Sep 20 2004 at 09:15 +0000 wrote: >> In my opinion I would always go RAID 5 whenever possible. You get the >> speed of striping and the redundancy of mirroring...but better. > > At a cost since you lose the physical capacity of one drive right? > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkFPB/MACgkQfqZR3ThMfXShRgCdEVS+wUrxnhFn7JYMXjYpkfIM T8QAn29YIkY6aCStWo6ac61keKTVJ04j =4S4N -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From tlegge at rogers.com Mon Sep 20 18:00:38 2004 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 14:00:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Display Problems in Open Office Message-ID: <20040920180038.75549.qmail@web88207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi We have been encountering some display issues in open office. After spell checking the document, the small spell check message box stays on the screen (although it is grey). The Ctrl+Shift+R workaround works but is less than ideal. The server is Fedora Core1 the user is using a Gnome and it seems to be the only app affected. The client is ltsp 4. Would the interaction between ltsp4 and X.org on the client with XFree86 on the server make any difference? Tim From nbs at sonic.net Mon Sep 20 18:05:10 2004 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 11:05:10 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Reminder for Northern Calif. folks - K12LTSP talk near Sacramento! Message-ID: <20040920180510.GA31210@sonic.net> Sorry for the noise that most of you won't care much about. Just a reminder to the folks in Northern California that there'll be a talk on K12LTSP at the Linux Users' Group of Davis (off I-80 near Sacramento) tonight at 6:30pm! (Mon. Sep. 20, 2004) Details: http://www.lugod.org/meeting/ Directions: http://www.lugod.org/meeting/library/ -bill! bill at newbreedsoftware.com New Breed Software http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/ Tux Paint 0.9.14 -- Coming soon! From kmeyer at blarg.net Mon Sep 20 18:10:10 2004 From: kmeyer at blarg.net (Ken Meyer) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 11:10:10 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] SATA vs. SCSI In-Reply-To: <004901c49f13$db216390$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: A couple of factors to consider. Go to: http://www.storagereview.com Scroll WAY down the long home page and check-out the articles there. The real comparison results may be somewhat difficult to wade through, but I think are worth the time to try to understand which benchmark is applicable to what. The major points that I personally derive on these issues are: 1) RAID 0 is a very bad deal. It does not provide very much performance increase (apparently in part due to the caching algorithms embedded in the typical drive's firmware), AND you have doubled your jeopardy because the failure of EITHER drive will eat your lunch (See Comment One below, copied from the S/R site untouched by human-driven keyboards). 2) The superiority of SCSI, given similar physical characteristics (RPM, bit density, et al) of the drives, has been most evident in servers having multi-user, random access to many small files, and that this advantage has been due to "elevator queuing" in which the drive actively manages the order of retrieving data. ATA drives never implemented this feature because the advantage in single-user system was small or even negative. However, SATA drives are encroaching on this capability, called TCQ (Tagged Command Queuing) by WD and generically, and NCQ (Native...) by Maxtor and Seagate. It seems, from the results, that the SATA people doing this are getting the range on SCSI in server applications, and at significantly reduced cost (See Comment Two below). But again, this is only really effective on servers (and I think, best on servers coughing-up many small files from random locations). This is newish technology, so caveat emptor applies as usual. Note that a controller card is required to put the data back on the PCI bus. Not sure whether this applies to non-RAID configurations, though. 3) A question. It has been my understanding that writing data to, say, a RAID 5 array was SLOWER than to a single drive, since space had to be allocated for pieces to be put on each of the drives, but that reading might be faster (ATA or SCSI, regardless of TCQ or not). So, does one get better performance by putting all drives in an independent configuration, maybe as a single volume, than as a RAID array -- reliability and the "redundancy tax" aside? Also note that it appears that we are finally getting to the situation where the transfer rate choke-point may be the traditional PCI bus itself. ------>> Comment One <<-------------------- Results culled from RAID0 arrays as drive counts increase are interesting from an academic standpoint, mainly due to the linear nature in which one can add independent actuators. Admittedly, however, practical use of RAID0 in production servers is quite limited -- performance gains are more than offset by the significant increase in risk. Should one fail in a four-drive striped array, all data would be lost. ------>> Comment Two <<------------------- A quick check at the time of this writing with StorageReview sponsor, HyperMicro, prices 73 GB Cheetah 10K.6's at $339 each, Raptor WD740GD's at $219 each, and the AcceleRaid 170 at $379. When released this August, the Promise TX4200's price will be on par with that of the S150 TX4 that it is meant to displace. It runs $159 at HyperMicro. Hence, the following pricing (excluding cables and accessories) arises: $1356 ($339 x 4 Cheetahs) + $379 (AcceleRaid 170) = $1735 (4-drive SCSI RAID Array) $876 ($219 x 4 Raptors) + $159 (FastTrak TX4200) = $1035 (4-drive SATA RAID Array) The cost difference between the two arrays works out to 40% -- significant indeed. What does one sacrifice by opting for the less costly SATA solution? After all, it has been demonstrated that SATA's performance is competitive with, and in some cases exceeds, that of a comparable SCSI solution. While WD has delivered a solution that can match a SCSI-based solution's speed and scalability, one must also keep in mind the key factors of infrastructure and reliability. As with TCQ itself, SATA's support hardware such as back-planes, all-in-one solutions, and the like remain in their infancy when contrasted to the maturity and longevity of SCSI hardware. Also keep in mind that, while Western Digital claims an enterprise-class 1.2 million hour MTTF spec and backs the Raptors with a 5-year warranty, the line is still new and remains relatively unproven compared to established solutions such as Seagate's Cheetah series. Finally, remember that the prices listed above represent the cost of the storage subsystem alone -- factoring in the total cost of server hardware when motherboards, CPU, and RAM are considered can dilute the difference significantly. In the end, the potential for SATA to invade the entry- and mid-level server market is there. The performance is definitely there. If the Raptor's reliability proves comparable to the competition and if the infrastructure/support hardware surface, WD will have a viable contender. ---------------------------- Ken Meyer Not a Guru, but an Avid Researcher -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Jim Kronebusch Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 6:15 AM To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] SATA vs SCSI > In an earlier thread, someone mentioned using SATA drives successfully > with a large number of users, 25+ > When I go to configure next years server(we will upgrade) can I use SATA > drives in a raid 0 configuration? I want to increase performance hence > the raid 0, but heard that SATA drives might not handle a class of 25+ > workstations In my opinion I would always go RAID 5 whenever possible. You get the speed of striping and the redundancy of mirroring...but better. As far as SATA RAID goes over SCSI it is definitely cheaper. But take my advice and post before buying and controller and make sure you talk to someone who has one running and booting before buying. I didn?t do that and now my nice RAID 5 SATA controller is only running /home and is unable to boot, so my boot drive is a 20GB IDE as a quick fix. From ckacoroski at nsd.org Mon Sep 20 18:10:29 2004 From: ckacoroski at nsd.org (Chris Kacoroski) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 11:10:29 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] SATA vs SCSI In-Reply-To: <414ED502.20709@mts.net> References: <414ED502.20709@mts.net> Message-ID: <414F1D15.9070001@nsd.org> Liam, I did several tests with SATA and SCSI and found out that the controller card is a limiting factor. The fundamental difference between the two technologies is that SCSI drives queue up the requests and the optimize the path of the r/w head across the disk. SATA do not have this ability so the r/w head wanders all over the disk handling the requests in a first come, first serve basis. What this means, is that if you are reading or writing one large file, SATA perform as good as SCSI (if they have the same spindle speed). If you have several different processes r/w to multiple files on disk, SCSI out performs SATA by a large margin. The new SATA standard out sometime next year is suppose to include queueing, but until then SCSI is definitely worth it for small installations like yours. If you have a large installation (e.g. 2TB+ of disk), you can use a device like the EonStor raid which connects SATA disks to a scsi controller and performs very well. I have one of these and plan to get another one for a different application. I tried 3ware cards, but they failed in my application (I still use them to mirror the system disks and they work great for that). cheers, ski Liam Marshall wrote: > this is my current hard drive situation, which will probably have to > stay until next year. > > 1 - small regular ide drive for the system to boot off of. I > t holds the /boot partition and does nothing else > 1 - 8 GB ibm SCSI drive, holding /root /usr etc > 1 - 18 HB Seagate SCSI holding /home /opt and the /swap partition > > no raid > > In an earlier thread, someone mentioned using SATA drives successfully > with a large number of users, 25+ > When I go to configure next years server(we will upgrade) can I use SATA > drives in a raid 0 configuration? I want to increase performance hence > the raid 0, but heard that SATA drives might not handle a class of 25+ > workstations > > any advice? > > SATA is cheaper, I assume, than SCSI, so that would be a preferred path > if true > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- "When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it connected to the entire universe" John Muir Chris "Ski" Kacoroski, ckacoroski at nsd.org, 425-489-6263 From ckacoroski at nsd.org Mon Sep 20 18:17:29 2004 From: ckacoroski at nsd.org (Chris Kacoroski) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 11:17:29 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] SATA vs. SCSI In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <414F1EB9.5050709@nsd.org> Ken Meyer wrote: > 1) RAID 0 is a very bad deal. It does not provide very much performance > increase (apparently in part due to the caching algorithms embedded in the > typical drive's firmware), AND you have doubled your jeopardy because the > failure of EITHER drive will eat your lunch (See Comment One below, copied > from the S/R site untouched by human-driven keyboards). > Agreed. I only use this for applications that need lots of very fast tmp disk space. Most folks use Raid 1 (mirrors). > 2) The superiority of SCSI, given similar physical characteristics (RPM, bit > density, et al) of the drives, has been most evident in servers having > multi-user, random access to many small files, and that this advantage has > been due to "elevator queuing" in which the drive actively manages the order > of retrieving data. ATA drives never implemented this feature because the > advantage in single-user system was small or even negative. However, SATA > drives are encroaching on this capability, called TCQ (Tagged Command > Queuing) by WD and generically, and NCQ (Native...) by Maxtor and Seagate. SATA should have this in a year or so. > 3) A question. It has been my understanding that writing data to, say, a > RAID 5 array was SLOWER than to a single drive, since space had to be > allocated for pieces to be put on each of the drives, but that reading might > be faster (ATA or SCSI, regardless of TCQ or not). So, does one get better > performance by putting all drives in an independent configuration, maybe as > a single volume, than as a RAID array -- reliability and the "redundancy > tax" aside? On older arrays there definitely is a RAID 5 write hit. On many of the newer ones (e.g. Seek Systems, EonStor) they get around this by caching tricks such as immediately writing all data to a temp location on the raid and then when they get an entire stripe of data, rewriting it during a pause properly to the Raid5, etc. I am now using Seek Raid 5 arrays to support enterprise oracle DB as they are a lot cheaper than mirroring everything (the traditional way). cheers, ski -- "When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it connected to the entire universe" John Muir Chris "Ski" Kacoroski, ckacoroski at nsd.org, 425-489-6263 From kmeyer at blarg.net Mon Sep 20 19:48:18 2004 From: kmeyer at blarg.net (Ken Meyer) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 12:48:18 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] SATA vs. SCSI In-Reply-To: <414F1EB9.5050709@nsd.org> Message-ID: Hi, Ski -- I got the impression from StorageReview that some of these drives were already available, or more imminent than a year away. Do you have some insights about the "real world" prognosis? Ken M. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Chris Kacoroski Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 11:17 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] SATA vs. SCSI Ken Meyer wrote: [SNIP] > However, SATA > drives are encroaching on this capability, called TCQ (Tagged Command > Queuing) by WD and generically, and NCQ (Native...) by Maxtor and Seagate. [SNIP] SATA should have this in a year or so. From ism at ywammt.org Mon Sep 20 20:07:56 2004 From: ism at ywammt.org (Joshua Sanders) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 14:07:56 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [K12OSN] problems booting terminal Message-ID: <48770.10.1.2.1.1095710876.squirrel@email.ywammt.org> I just installed the a clean version of K12LTSP (4.0.1) and sent the last few days configuring it. I took over this network second hand so I spent some time and really ripped this server apart to understand how it all works. It is kinds of a custom network with one server acting as NIS, NAS (Home Directories, and DNS all on that server and 4 other terminal servers around the campus calling information from them.) I got the server working fine with NIS and everything... and all looks well until I switch a computer that server's group in dhcpd.conf - the computer loads fine and gets all the way to loading a graphical scene of X - (a grey screen with an 'X' icon for the mouse) and goes no further. I cannot figure out what would stop them from loading after they were that far along in the boot process. I am writing because I wondered if there was a new 'fix' or 'update' (since I was using K12LTSP v3.0) that would cause this server to not want to 'play' with all my other servers. (I have turned off named and mnt'd home from my home server... as well as varified NIS is Working locally on the Server.) Any other thoughts (Oh, and though our network may sound impressive, I am pretty new at Linux so if you think of something stupid that everyone would know to do... please let me know. ;) Joshua From henryhartley at westat.com Mon Sep 20 20:35:11 2004 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 16:35:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Article in the Honolulu Advertiser Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0362E00B@remail2.westat.com> Just thought you might want to see this. It doesn't mention LTSP but it does sound like that's what's being done here. Old computers good as new in Linux labs http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2004/Sep/16/ln/ln21a.html -- Henry From cwt137 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 20 21:01:39 2004 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 14:01:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] problems booting terminal In-Reply-To: <48770.10.1.2.1.1095710876.squirrel@email.ywammt.org> Message-ID: <20040920210139.68302.qmail@web12104.mail.yahoo.com> Hello, Ive read somewhere that the 'grey screen with the big X' probmlem most likely has to do with name resolution. So check your hosts file and your DNS server (if you are running one) to see if everything is configured correctly and that you can resolve the names of the thin clients you are tying to boot. Chris --- Joshua Sanders wrote: > I just installed the a clean version of K12LTSP > (4.0.1) and sent the last > few days configuring it. I took over this network > second hand so I spent > some time and really ripped this server apart to > understand how it all > works. It is kinds of a custom network with one > server acting as NIS, NAS > (Home Directories, and DNS all on that server and 4 > other terminal servers > around the campus calling information from them.) > > I got the server working fine with NIS and > everything... and all looks > well until I switch a computer that server's group > in dhcpd.conf - the > computer loads fine and gets all the way to loading > a graphical scene of X > - (a grey screen with an 'X' icon for the mouse) and > goes no further. I > cannot figure out what would stop them from loading > after they were that > far along in the boot process. I am writing because > I wondered if there > was a new 'fix' or 'update' (since I was using > K12LTSP v3.0) that would > cause this server to not want to 'play' with all my > other servers. > > (I have turned off named and mnt'd home from my home > server... as well as > varified NIS is Working locally on the Server.) > > Any other thoughts > (Oh, and though our network may sound impressive, I > am pretty new at Linux > so if you think of something stupid that everyone > would know to do... > please let me know. ;) > > Joshua > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From cwt137 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 20 22:16:07 2004 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 15:16:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] New LTSP article -- Was: Article in the Honolulu Advertiser In-Reply-To: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0362E00B@remail2.westat.com> Message-ID: <20040920221607.10310.qmail@web12102.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, Since some of you folks here are apart of non profits, I thought this would be interesting. Here is an article about how NPO's in the UK are using LTSP. http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/linuxunix/0,39020390,39166840,00.htm --- Henry Hartley wrote: > > Just thought you might want to see this. It doesn't > mention LTSP but it > does sound like that's what's being done here. > > Old computers good as new in Linux labs > http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2004/Sep/16/ln/ln21a.html > > -- > Henry > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From cwt137 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 20 22:16:07 2004 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 15:16:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] New LTSP article -- Was: Article in the Honolulu Advertiser In-Reply-To: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0362E00B@remail2.westat.com> Message-ID: <20040920221607.10310.qmail@web12102.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, Since some of you folks here are apart of non profits, I thought this would be interesting. Here is an article about how NPO's in the UK are using LTSP. http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/linuxunix/0,39020390,39166840,00.htm --- Henry Hartley wrote: > > Just thought you might want to see this. It doesn't > mention LTSP but it > does sound like that's what's being done here. > > Old computers good as new in Linux labs > http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2004/Sep/16/ln/ln21a.html > > -- > Henry > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From pvdw at criticalcontrol.com Mon Sep 20 22:47:02 2004 From: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com (Peter Van den Wildenbergh) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 16:47:02 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS thru firewall on FC2. Message-ID: Hi Gang : Does somebody know how to get NFS going thru a firewall? My diskless clients boot unless I impose my firewall rules on eth0 (the card that is connected to the clients) Due to a particular set-up I would like to set eth0 as 'untrusted' I found this how-to but it is out-of-date (RH7/8) http://www.lowth.com/LinWiz/nfs_help.html Can anybody give advice on this? Thanks in advance Peter From rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us Mon Sep 20 23:26:30 2004 From: rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us (Rick O'Dell) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 18:26:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Blacklist In-Reply-To: <004001c49f13$0783f520$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: Can't send the whole thing. Says Its too big. Here's part of It. Rick O'Dell Net Work Administrator Bakersfield R4 School Dst. Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.271 / Virus Database: 264.9.3 - Release Date: 9/17/2004 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: main.cf.doc Type: application/msword Size: 20480 bytes Desc: not available URL: From microman at cmosnetworks.com Mon Sep 20 23:27:22 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?UTF-8?B?IlRlcnJlbGwgUHJ1ZMOpLCBKci4i?=) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 19:27:22 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS thru firewall on FC2. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <414F675A.6090404@cmosnetworks.com> Hello Peter, Personally, I would never, *ever* run NFS in a situation in which the network wasn't trusted. That's why we don't do it across the Internet (same with SMB filesharing, BTW). The only things that I trust at this point for transferring "privileged" data across an untrusted network are encrypted transmissions, such as SSH, IPSec, and SSL-encrypted tunnels. Can you tell us why you need to have eth0 as untrusted? If we know your requirements, we might be able to help you out better. Thanks, --TP Peter Van den Wildenbergh wrote: >Hi Gang : > >Does somebody know how to get NFS going thru a firewall? >My diskless clients boot unless I impose my firewall rules on eth0 (the card that is connected to the clients) >Due to a particular set-up I would like to set eth0 as 'untrusted' > >I found this how-to but it is out-of-date (RH7/8) >http://www.lowth.com/LinWiz/nfs_help.html > >Can anybody give advice on this? > >Thanks in advance > >Peter > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- _____________________ Do you GNU!? Mozilla Thunderbird spam filtering is new and improved. Check it out! From microman at cmosnetworks.com Mon Sep 20 23:31:25 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 19:31:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] problems booting terminal In-Reply-To: <20040920210139.68302.qmail@web12104.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040920210139.68302.qmail@web12104.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <414F684D.4010204@cmosnetworks.com> You might also check your firewall rules, i. e. see if you happen to have any running on your server. A quick "iptables -L" should do it. --TP Chris Thomas wrote: >Hello, > >Ive read somewhere that the 'grey screen with the big >X' probmlem most likely has to do with name >resolution. So check your hosts file and your DNS >server (if you are running one) to see if everything >is configured correctly and that you can resolve the >names of the thin clients you are tying to boot. > >Chris > >--- Joshua Sanders wrote: > > > >>I just installed the a clean version of K12LTSP >>(4.0.1) and sent the last >>few days configuring it. I took over this network >>second hand so I spent >>some time and really ripped this server apart to >>understand how it all >>works. It is kinds of a custom network with one >>server acting as NIS, NAS >>(Home Directories, and DNS all on that server and 4 >>other terminal servers >>around the campus calling information from them.) >> >>I got the server working fine with NIS and >>everything... and all looks >>well until I switch a computer that server's group >>in dhcpd.conf - the >>computer loads fine and gets all the way to loading >>a graphical scene of X >>- (a grey screen with an 'X' icon for the mouse) and >>goes no further. I >>cannot figure out what would stop them from loading >>after they were that >>far along in the boot process. I am writing because >>I wondered if there >>was a new 'fix' or 'update' (since I was using >>K12LTSP v3.0) that would >>cause this server to not want to 'play' with all my >>other servers. >> >>(I have turned off named and mnt'd home from my home >>server... as well as >>varified NIS is Working locally on the Server.) >> >>Any other thoughts >>(Oh, and though our network may sound impressive, I >>am pretty new at Linux >>so if you think of something stupid that everyone >>would know to do... >>please let me know. ;) >> >>Joshua >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! >http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- _____________________ Do you GNU!? Mozilla Thunderbird spam filtering is new and improved. Check it out! From bear2bar at netscape.net Mon Sep 20 23:48:14 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 19:48:14 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Multiple logins ??? In-Reply-To: <1095697192.27240.13.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> References: <414ED83C.3060701@netscape.net> <414EDA24.9010808@inlandlakes.org> <414EDC8F.1000303@netscape.net> <1095694949.27240.2.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> <20040920115242.C22098@redline.comcast.net> <1095697192.27240.13.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <414F6C3E.1080708@netscape.net> Hi, i'd like to thank everyone for all the good tips, now the massive work starts. Now how can we prevent the same user from logging in to different workstations without "killing" the first instance ? Please all suggestions are welcomed, this has become a real problem!!! thks norbert dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us wrote: >On Mon, 2004-09-20 at 08:52, Jeff Kinz wrote: > > >>Hey Dan, thats a pretty big document. If the capability Norbert is >>looking for is in Gnome, can you tell us what it is called? >>(Kiosk, user polices etc.. ) >> >> > >These things seemed apropos (for GNOME v2.6) in my brief glance: > >http://www.gnome.org/learn/admin-guide/2.6/ch02s07.html >http://www.gnome.org/learn/admin-guide/2.6/ch10.html > >-- >Dan Young >Parkrose School District > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lsrpm at mts.net Tue Sep 21 00:51:52 2004 From: lsrpm at mts.net (Liam Marshall) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 19:51:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SATA vs SCSI In-Reply-To: <414F1D15.9070001@nsd.org> References: <414ED502.20709@mts.net> <414F1D15.9070001@nsd.org> Message-ID: <414F7B28.7040805@mts.net> Chris Kacoroski wrote: > Liam, > > I did several tests with SATA and SCSI and found out that the > controller card is a limiting factor. The fundamental difference > between the two technologies is that SCSI drives queue up the requests > and the optimize the path of the r/w head across the disk. SATA do > not have this ability so the r/w head wanders all over the disk > handling the requests in a first come, first serve basis. > > What this means, is that if you are reading or writing one large file, > SATA perform as good as SCSI (if they have the same spindle speed). > If you have several different processes r/w to multiple files on disk, > SCSI out performs SATA by a large margin. The new SATA standard out > sometime next year is suppose to include queueing, but until then SCSI > is definitely worth it for small installations like yours. > > If you have a large installation (e.g. 2TB+ of disk), you can use a > device like the EonStor raid which connects SATA disks to a scsi > controller and performs very well. I have one of these and plan to > get another one for a different application. I tried 3ware cards, but > they failed in my application (I still use them to mirror the system > disks and they work great for that). > > cheers, > > ski > fair enough, I like the idea of scsi anyway, I don;t have a raid controller for the scsi, but I have an Adaptec controller with two connections, I forget off hand which model it is. It does the ultra 2 wide and the narrower type. In order to do Raid, of whatever flavour, you need either a raid controller or 2 scsi cards, right? the one I have is not a raid controller I was thinking sata raid because the mb I am buying has a sata raid controller on board From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Sep 21 02:35:12 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 22:35:12 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Multiple logins ??? In-Reply-To: <414F6C3E.1080708@netscape.net> References: <414ED83C.3060701@netscape.net> <414EDA24.9010808@inlandlakes.org> <414EDC8F.1000303@netscape.net> <1095694949.27240.2.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> <20040920115242.C22098@redline.comcast.net> <1095697192.27240.13.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> <414F6C3E.1080708@netscape.net> Message-ID: <414F9360.50700@cmosnetworks.com> Here's one workaround, borrowed from some of the computer labs in my district. For each terminal (say you have 30 of them), number them 1-30. Then, make userIDs called student1, student2, etc. to student30. You can even give them all the same password. Makes it nice and easy for the kids. Now, this is certainly not foolproof. A kid acting naughtily could easily sit at station28 and log in as student20, thus bumping student20 off, going "ha ha, got you!" in the process. Of course, that should mean immediate termination from the lab for that kid and a visit to the principal's office, accident or no. You will need a written policy, you'll need to make said policy verbally clear the first day of class, and you'll probably need to make an example or two of a kid or two to make it clear that you're not kiddin'. Some of my teachers did that kind of thing back when I was in school ("it doesn't matter if it's an accident, you still get kicked out, so gee, might wanna learn to be careful"), and it did prove quite effective. School is not a democracy, never was a democracy, and cannot be a democracy. With that understanding, the above method has proven to work rather well in our labs, both with Windows PCs and Macs, especially in the elementary schools. I'd expect it to work equally well with K12LTSP. If you don't want to take that approach, then I would suggest making a separate userID and password for each student, just like with staff members, and with the same rules and security policy. If the kids start handing out their passwords and you see evidence of it, then lock those particular accounts. --TP norbert wrote: > Hi, > > i'd like to thank everyone for all the good tips, now the massive work > starts. > > Now how can we prevent the same user from logging in to different > workstations without "killing" the first instance ? > > Please all suggestions are welcomed, this has become a real problem!!! > > thks > norbert > > dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us wrote: > >>On Mon, 2004-09-20 at 08:52, Jeff Kinz wrote: >> >> >>>Hey Dan, thats a pretty big document. If the capability Norbert is >>>looking for is in Gnome, can you tell us what it is called? >>>(Kiosk, user polices etc.. ) >>> >>> >> >>These things seemed apropos (for GNOME v2.6) in my brief glance: >> >>http://www.gnome.org/learn/admin-guide/2.6/ch02s07.html >>http://www.gnome.org/learn/admin-guide/2.6/ch10.html >> >>-- >>Dan Young >>Parkrose School District >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > -- _____________________ Do you GNU!? Mozilla Thunderbird spam filtering is new and improved. Check it out! From scott at hosef.org Tue Sep 21 03:57:10 2004 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 17:57:10 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Article in the Honolulu Advertiser In-Reply-To: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0362E00B@remail2.westat.com> References: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0362E00B@remail2.westat.com> Message-ID: <414FA696.1010306@hosef.org> Henry Hartley wrote: > Just thought you might want to see this. It doesn't mention LTSP but it > does sound like that's what's being done here. > > Old computers good as new in Linux labs > http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2004/Sep/16/ln/ln21a.html our site links to a few other articles. I realize this is self-promoting, but, these are good stories for our cause. Furthermore, we do what we do as volunteers, and our "business model," if you will, is to teach our recipients not to need anyone but themselves for support. One such school running a K12LTSP lab, Liholiho Elementary, was just recognized nationally for exceeding NCLB standards. If the proof is in the pudding, this is rather tasty. The article does not mention Linux, but it is known what platform was used to teach their computer literacy. Peter Nakashima is a model for receiving and reciprocating the gifts of the OSS community. > Regarding the K12LTSP, we mentioned, and we promoted, and we demonstrated the K12LTSP. We went on about the critical role a product of Hawaii's schools, Warren Togami, has played in the K12LTSP through the creation of Fedora. Believe me, we tried, but, it just wasn't part of the story to them. A shame, but Linux in schools is good enough, I suppose. Interestingly, the photographer was an intern from the University of Hawaii, and his room mate maintains some Debian package. He was clued, and, when he saw my Debian T-Shirt, knew what was going on. The thin-client model amazed him. He took shots of the server, the switch, and the ragtag clients. Alas, the editors did not find this as exciting as we did. Kudos go to Eric, Jim, the Open Source Community, and, of course, the amazing group of volunteers responsible for this volunteer example of your lug-in-action, HOSEF. For the record, we provide free classes, workshops, and replacement clients in an attempt to build self-reliance and sustainability in our installations. Giving the computers away is the easiest part. At the risk of going overboard, let me mention that we are sending 60 computers running the LTSP to Western Samoa via the Peace Corps, and have just started funneling computers from our East-West Center to United Self Help. The Peace Corps is going to set them up in 5 schools as thin clients (though we are installing linux on 2 hard drives, per computer, for redundancy.) USH is a group that donates computers to those with a host of mental challenges that are manifested by self-isolating. Using the Linux Desktop to go online and participate in USH activities is no big deal, and, we have already uncovered two soon-to-be linux geniuses just by exposing them to the power of OSS. Keep on keepin' on, folks --scott -- R. Scott Belford Founder/Director The Hawaii Open Source Education Foundation PO Box 392 Kailua, HI 96734 808.689.6518 phone/fax scott at hosef.org From sudev at mantraonline.com Tue Sep 21 05:47:48 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:17:48 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Multiple logins ??? In-Reply-To: <414F6C3E.1080708@netscape.net> References: <414ED83C.3060701@netscape.net> <414EDA24.9010808@inlandlakes.org> <414EDC8F.1000303@netscape.net> <1095694949.27240.2.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> <20040920115242.C22098@redline.comcast.net> <1095697192.27240.13.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> <414F6C3E.1080708@netscape.net> Message-ID: <1095745668.24956.3.camel@server.ltsp> On Tue, 2004-09-21 at 05:18, norbert wrote: > Now how can we prevent the same user from logging in to different > workstations without "killing" the first instance ? in /etc/sysconfig/k12ltsp change PURGE_PROCESSES=NO to PURGE_PROCESSES=YES This will kill users first session if he log in again. Archives from list show this idea and it works for us. Not really what you were looking for but will help achieving end results. -- Sudev Barar From steve at hargadon.com Tue Sep 21 06:07:17 2004 From: steve at hargadon.com (steve at hargadon.com) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 02:07:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Article in the Honolulu Advertiser Message-ID: <141260-2200492216717967@M2W048.mail2web.com> Sure sounds like you have done some real good. But I am troubled by one thing--you seem to insinuate that the only legitimate way to install LTSP is to do so as a "volunteer." The principal at the school that I installed K12LSP for in Hawaii called you because I sent him an article about you. After talking to you he sent me an email saying that you had asked him if I had "charged" him for installing LTSP. I've got to say that deflated my balloon a little. A concerted effort to promote LTSP to the school community will take investment, and will require revenue. Hopefully we are doing so in a way that is commensurate with the great, open nature of the project. I agree that the best way to help those who will benefit from LTSP will be to help them help themselves. But to say that they should not need anyone else to help them doesn't seem quite fair. The school I worked with did not know anything about LTSP until they received a newsletter from my company, talked to me several times on the telephone, received a personal visit from me, and then had me help them install it. I then helped them make contact with you. Are those not reasonable services to provide? I worry that our culture has determined that you are either a volunteer/non-profit, or you are a greedy capitalist. I, for one, still believe that our chosen work in a for-profit company can be seen as a "vocation." I think the work you are doing is great--I just don't think it's fair to believe it's the only way it can or should be done. Hope you'll consider this the opening of a dialogue. Steve Original Message: ----------------- From: R. Scott Belford scott at hosef.org Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 17:57:10 -1000 To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Article in the Honolulu Advertiser Henry Hartley wrote: > Just thought you might want to see this. It doesn't mention LTSP but it > does sound like that's what's being done here. > > Old computers good as new in Linux labs > http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2004/Sep/16/ln/ln21a.html our site links to a few other articles. I realize this is self-promoting, but, these are good stories for our cause. Furthermore, we do what we do as volunteers, and our "business model," if you will, is to teach our recipients not to need anyone but themselves for support. One such school running a K12LTSP lab, Liholiho Elementary, was just recognized nationally for exceeding NCLB standards. If the proof is in the pudding, this is rather tasty. The article does not mention Linux, but it is known what platform was used to teach their computer literacy. Peter Nakashima is a model for receiving and reciprocating the gifts of the OSS community. > Regarding the K12LTSP, we mentioned, and we promoted, and we demonstrated the K12LTSP. We went on about the critical role a product of Hawaii's schools, Warren Togami, has played in the K12LTSP through the creation of Fedora. Believe me, we tried, but, it just wasn't part of the story to them. A shame, but Linux in schools is good enough, I suppose. Interestingly, the photographer was an intern from the University of Hawaii, and his room mate maintains some Debian package. He was clued, and, when he saw my Debian T-Shirt, knew what was going on. The thin-client model amazed him. He took shots of the server, the switch, and the ragtag clients. Alas, the editors did not find this as exciting as we did. Kudos go to Eric, Jim, the Open Source Community, and, of course, the amazing group of volunteers responsible for this volunteer example of your lug-in-action, HOSEF. For the record, we provide free classes, workshops, and replacement clients in an attempt to build self-reliance and sustainability in our installations. Giving the computers away is the easiest part. At the risk of going overboard, let me mention that we are sending 60 computers running the LTSP to Western Samoa via the Peace Corps, and have just started funneling computers from our East-West Center to United Self Help. The Peace Corps is going to set them up in 5 schools as thin clients (though we are installing linux on 2 hard drives, per computer, for redundancy.) USH is a group that donates computers to those with a host of mental challenges that are manifested by self-isolating. Using the Linux Desktop to go online and participate in USH activities is no big deal, and, we have already uncovered two soon-to-be linux geniuses just by exposing them to the power of OSS. Keep on keepin' on, folks --scott -- R. Scott Belford Founder/Director The Hawaii Open Source Education Foundation PO Box 392 Kailua, HI 96734 808.689.6518 phone/fax scott at hosef.org _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From jam at mcquil.com Tue Sep 21 06:26:05 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 02:26:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Article in the Honolulu Advertiser In-Reply-To: <141260-2200492216717967@M2W048.mail2web.com> References: <141260-2200492216717967@M2W048.mail2web.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 21 Sep 2004, steve at hargadon.com wrote: > Sure sounds like you have done some real good. > > But I am troubled by one thing--you seem to insinuate that the only > legitimate way to install LTSP is to do so as a "volunteer." Gee, I didn't detect that. What i read was that the way Scott has chosen to do this is as volunteers, showing the schools how to be self reliant. I don't recall him saying that's the ONLY way. Personally, I applaud both the volunteers and those who are able to make a business around deploying LTSP and Linux for schools, businesses, governments, whatever. I'd MUCH rather see people making money deploying LTSP and Linux instead of deploying a Microsoft solution. Opensource has turned software from a product centric business model to a service centric business model. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org > > The principal at the school that I installed K12LSP for in Hawaii called > you because I sent him an article about you. After talking to you he sent > me an email saying that you had asked him if I had "charged" him for > installing LTSP. I've got to say that deflated my balloon a little. A > concerted effort to promote LTSP to the school community will take > investment, and will require revenue. Hopefully we are doing so in a way > that is commensurate with the great, open nature of the project. > > I agree that the best way to help those who will benefit from LTSP will be > to help them help themselves. But to say that they should not need anyone > else to help them doesn't seem quite fair. The school I worked with did > not know anything about LTSP until they received a newsletter from my > company, talked to me several times on the telephone, received a personal > visit from me, and then had me help them install it. I then helped them > make contact with you. Are those not reasonable services to provide? > > I worry that our culture has determined that you are either a > volunteer/non-profit, or you are a greedy capitalist. I, for one, still > believe that our chosen work in a for-profit company can be seen as a > "vocation." I think the work you are doing is great--I just don't think > it's fair to believe it's the only way it can or should be done. > > Hope you'll consider this the opening of a dialogue. > > Steve > > > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: R. Scott Belford scott at hosef.org > Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 17:57:10 -1000 > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Article in the Honolulu Advertiser > > > Henry Hartley wrote: > > Just thought you might want to see this. It doesn't mention LTSP but it > > does sound like that's what's being done here. > > > > Old computers good as new in Linux labs > > http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2004/Sep/16/ln/ln21a.html > > our site links to a few other articles. I realize this is > self-promoting, but, these are good stories for our cause. Furthermore, > we do what we do as volunteers, and our "business model," if you will, > is to teach our recipients not to need anyone but themselves for support. > > One such school running a K12LTSP lab, Liholiho Elementary, was just > recognized nationally for exceeding NCLB standards. If the proof is in > the pudding, this is rather tasty. The article does not mention Linux, > but it is known what platform was used to teach their computer literacy. > Peter Nakashima is a model for receiving and reciprocating the gifts > of the OSS community. > > > > Regarding the K12LTSP, we mentioned, and we promoted, and we > demonstrated the K12LTSP. We went on about the critical role a product > of Hawaii's schools, Warren Togami, has played in the K12LTSP through > the creation of Fedora. Believe me, we tried, but, it just wasn't part > of the story to them. A shame, but Linux in schools is good enough, I > suppose. > > Interestingly, the photographer was an intern from the University of > Hawaii, and his room mate maintains some Debian package. He was clued, > and, when he saw my Debian T-Shirt, knew what was going on. The > thin-client model amazed him. He took shots of the server, the switch, > and the ragtag clients. Alas, the editors did not find this as exciting > as we did. > > Kudos go to Eric, Jim, the Open Source Community, and, of course, the > amazing group of volunteers responsible for this volunteer example of > your lug-in-action, HOSEF. For the record, we provide free classes, > workshops, and replacement clients in an attempt to build self-reliance > and sustainability in our installations. Giving the computers away is > the easiest part. > > At the risk of going overboard, let me mention that we are sending 60 > computers running the LTSP to Western Samoa via the Peace Corps, and > have just started funneling computers from our East-West Center to > United Self Help. The Peace Corps is going to set them up in 5 schools > as thin clients (though we are installing linux on 2 hard drives, per > computer, for redundancy.) > > USH is a group that donates computers to those with a host of mental > challenges that are manifested by self-isolating. Using the Linux > Desktop to go online and participate in USH activities is no big deal, > and, we have already uncovered two soon-to-be linux geniuses just by > exposing them to the power of OSS. > > Keep on keepin' on, folks > > --scott > > > > -- > R. Scott Belford > Founder/Director > The Hawaii Open Source Education Foundation > PO Box 392 > Kailua, HI 96734 > 808.689.6518 phone/fax > scott at hosef.org > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From pfaffman at gmail.com Tue Sep 21 07:54:21 2004 From: pfaffman at gmail.com (Jay Pfaffman) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 03:54:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Booting Problems In-Reply-To: <001801c49dd0$3cf7aec0$dcc3a4cb@boss> References: <20040917153615.C7315735C8@hormel.redhat.com> <001801c49dd0$3cf7aec0$dcc3a4cb@boss> Message-ID: <9326098004092100546517cd9@mail.gmail.com> Will Knoppix mount your drives so that you can see them? You do want to make sure use you the right fsck (ext2 or ext3) On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 08:38:36 +1000, ben may wrote: > K12LTSP 4.0.1 > i'll try that when i get a chance > Thanks > > Ben May > > Message: 2 > > Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 07:52:36 -0500 > > From: Les Mikesell > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Booting Problems > > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > > Message-ID: <1095425556.17070.17.camel at les-home.futuresource.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain > > > > > > On Fri, 2004-09-17 at 01:09, ben may wrote: > > > after having a power cut, i realised that my UPS was not working, now at > > > boot my server says 'Kernel Panic: No Init found try passing init= > option ' > > > after google-ing that there were a few people that have had the same > > > problem. but no answers. > > > > > > I have alot of data that i dont want to loose so re-installing is my > last > > > option, or can i just reinstall with out loosing data in /home dir? > > > > Out of curiosity, is this an old 3.x system with ext2 filesystems > > or 4.x with ext3? I've had several ext2 problems where the > > automatic fsck at bootup would fail because there were too many > > errors, but it would drop to a shell and suggest doing it > > manually. Doing that and answering 'y' to all the fixes always > > worked for me as long as the drive was still functioning. > > > > I'd try booting the install CD first, with 'linux rescue' at > > the boot prompt. This may perform the fsck you need and will > > try to mount the existing partitions so you can chroot there > > and check things out. The fedora based versions will also > > offer to bring up the network interfaces so you could back > > up some files if the root partition is hopelessly broken. > > If the partitions look OK in the rescue mount but still > > won't boot, you may be able to fix it by doing an 'upgrade' > > from the CD's instead of an install. > > > > I'll plug backuppc again (http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/) > > as the most painless way to have backup copies of things > > when you need them. > > > > ---- > > Les Mikesell > > les at futuresource.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- Jay Pfaffman Asst Professor of Instructional Technology, U. TN, Knoxville Experimenting with gmail, please honor the Reply-To From pfaffman at gmail.com Tue Sep 21 08:02:48 2004 From: pfaffman at gmail.com (Jay Pfaffman) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 04:02:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] profile lock down how to ??? In-Reply-To: <414E3CC4.40604@netscape.net> References: <414E3CC4.40604@netscape.net> Message-ID: <93260980040921010213976324@mail.gmail.com> One of the things that I think is cool about k12ltsp is that students *can* customize their desktop to make it seem like their own computer. There are no *personal* computers in schools, only impersonal ones. There's a script that re-sets the desktop. /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/reset-default-desktop You could probably add it to /etc/profile or have run the one that resets all desktops from cron. On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 22:13:24 -0400, norbert wrote: > Hi, > > Is there a "simple" way of locking down the user profiles so that the > students can write/save files to there directory but cannot change ANY > other settings, i.e. remove icons, change desktop, etc... > > thks > norbert > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- Jay Pfaffman Asst Professor of Instructional Technology, U. TN, Knoxville Experimenting with gmail, please honor the Reply-To From pfaffman at gmail.com Tue Sep 21 08:05:50 2004 From: pfaffman at gmail.com (Jay Pfaffman) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 04:05:50 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Push icons to all desktop In-Reply-To: <1095676714.26974.2.camel@server.ltsp> References: <414E9E63.2060308@shuttleworthfoundation.org> <1095676714.26974.2.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <9326098004092101051aa3aeb4@mail.gmail.com> It would seem that the script should be referring to ~username rather than /home/username and that would fix that problem. On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 16:08:34 +0530, Sudev Barar wrote: > On Mon, 2004-09-20 at 14:39, Jonathan Carter wrote: > > One of our tuXlabs are running K12 LTSP 3.1.2, and the have called me > > and explained that the "Push icons to all desktops" icon doesn't work > > (and it never did). Re-installing is not an option, is there anything I > > can do to troubleshoot/fix this easily? Thanks a lot > If you look at the script /usr/sbin/push-icons-to-users-desktops it is > fairly simple. Most of the time it does not work because users > directories are not at /home/USER but /home/class/USER or something > similar. Just change the script to reflect the correct path where users > directories are located. > -- > Sudev Barar > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- Jay Pfaffman Asst Professor of Instructional Technology, U. TN, Knoxville Experimenting with gmail, please honor the Reply-To From scott at hosef.org Tue Sep 21 08:59:47 2004 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 22:59:47 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Article in the Honolulu Advertiser In-Reply-To: <141260-2200492216717967@M2W048.mail2web.com> References: <141260-2200492216717967@M2W048.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <414FED83.5000106@hosef.org> steve at hargadon.com wrote: > Sure sounds like you have done some real good. Thanks, Steve, and please keep up all the good work. Linux and OSS are succeeding because successful business models and volunteer efforts can be built around them. We are all better off because of such initiatives. We believe in harnessing volunteer power around a non-profit organization. That's all. Kind of like Public Radio. I look forward to meeting you sometime, perhaps in Hawaii. aloha --scott -- R. Scott Belford Founder/Director The Hawaii Open Source Education Foundation PO Box 392 Kailua, HI 96734 808.689.6518 phone/fax scott at hosef.org From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Tue Sep 21 12:44:16 2004 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 13:44:16 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Multiple logins ??? In-Reply-To: <414F6C3E.1080708@netscape.net> References: <414ED83C.3060701@netscape.net> <1095697192.27240.13.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> <414F6C3E.1080708@netscape.net> Message-ID: <200409211344.16448.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> On Tuesday 21 Sep 2004 12:48 am, norbert wrote: > Hi, > > i'd like to thank everyone for all the good tips, now the massive work > starts. > > Now how can we prevent the same user from logging in to different > workstations without "killing" the first instance ? > > Please all suggestions are welcomed, this has become a real problem!!! We used to do this on AIX boxes; I haven't tried this under Linux but there it *should* work with some changes to paths - YMMV Some code to prevent multiple logins (for /etc/profile or .profile) # This user is only allowed a single login instance tty=`/usr/bin/tty` # Get tty to test for multiple login if /usr/bin/ps -u $LOGNAME | /usr/bin/grep -v UID | /usr/bin/grep -v "${tty##/dev/}" then /usr/bin/cat <<-EOM >&2 You already have an active session on this system and you are allowed a single session. This session will now be closed. EOM wait exit fi -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. 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Thanks, The Gmail Team To learn more about Gmail before registering, visit: http://gmail.google.com/gmail/help/benefits.html (If clicking the URLs in this message does not work, copy and paste them into the address bar of your browser). From pvdw at criticalcontrol.com Tue Sep 21 14:38:32 2004 From: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com (Peter Van den Wildenbergh) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 08:38:32 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS thru firewall on FC2. Message-ID: Terrell : Normally I would never do this either, but it is a temporary setup. The box will be re-imaged after and eth0 will be trusted, so I don't really care if it gets hacked or not. Pete -----Original Message----- From: "Terrell Prud?, Jr." [mailto:microman at cmosnetworks.com] Sent: Mon 9/20/2004 5:27 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Cc: Subject: Re: [K12OSN] NFS thru firewall on FC2. Hello Peter, Personally, I would never, *ever* run NFS in a situation in which the network wasn't trusted. That's why we don't do it across the Internet (same with SMB filesharing, BTW). The only things that I trust at this point for transferring "privileged" data across an untrusted network are encrypted transmissions, such as SSH, IPSec, and SSL-encrypted tunnels. Can you tell us why you need to have eth0 as untrusted? If we know your requirements, we might be able to help you out better. Thanks, --TP Peter Van den Wildenbergh wrote: >Hi Gang : > >Does somebody know how to get NFS going thru a firewall? >My diskless clients boot unless I impose my firewall rules on eth0 (the card that is connected to the clients) >Due to a particular set-up I would like to set eth0 as 'untrusted' > >I found this how-to but it is out-of-date (RH7/8) >http://www.lowth.com/LinWiz/nfs_help.html > >Can anybody give advice on this? > >Thanks in advance > >Peter > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- _____________________ Do you GNU!? Mozilla Thunderbird spam filtering is new and improved. Check it out! _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 5810 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ckacoroski at nsd.org Tue Sep 21 15:01:35 2004 From: ckacoroski at nsd.org (Chris Kacoroski) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 08:01:35 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] SATA vs SCSI In-Reply-To: <414F7B28.7040805@mts.net> References: <414ED502.20709@mts.net> <414F1D15.9070001@nsd.org> <414F7B28.7040805@mts.net> Message-ID: <4150424F.9070508@nsd.org> Liam Marshall wrote: >> > fair enough, I like the idea of scsi anyway, I don;t have a raid > controller for the scsi, but I have an Adaptec controller with two > connections, I forget off hand which model it is. It does the ultra 2 > wide and the narrower type. In order to do Raid, of whatever flavour, > you need either a raid controller or 2 scsi cards, right? the one I > have is not a raid controller > > I was thinking sata raid because the mb I am buying has a sata raid > controller on board > Liam, You have two choices with raid - hardware and software. If your scsi controller does not do hardware raid, then you do it in software (cf http://linas.org/linux/raid.html). You do not need 2 scsi cards to do software raid. Your system usage is what determines if SATA raid would work. For a small elementary with 10 - 15 terminals on a server used by grade school kids doing paint, typing, or those types of programs I am guessing that SATA would work fine. For a high school with kids really using the capacity of the computer (perhaps doing compiles), it will not. One other facter to consider is that linux support for mb raid is spotty at best (which it why I always spring for a 3ware card). If you go that route, be sure that it is supported well by the linux distribution you are using. cheers ski -- "When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it connected to the entire universe" John Muir Chris "Ski" Kacoroski, ckacoroski at nsd.org, 425-489-6263 From pvdw at criticalcontrol.com Tue Sep 21 15:38:04 2004 From: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com (Peter Van den Wildenbergh) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 09:38:04 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] X & cirrus cards Message-ID: Hi : Got some serious CIRRUS whoos... I know these cards are crap but I have to use them in +/- 25% of my clients :-( This in my lts.conf right now : XSERVER = auto X_MODE_0 = 800x600 X_COLOR_DEPTH = 8 This works with 75% of my clients :-) except the cirrus ones... When I set XSERVER = cirrus The remaining 25% of my lab can work, but 75% hangs... Fatal server error no screens found. I also know that I can make an entry inside lts.conf per workstation. But this also adds a serious task to maintenance... I will end up with 6 or 7 LTS and 300-400 diskless clients who will randomly connect to one of the servers. so I want to keep things simple in lts.conf Is there a solution? Thanks Peter From bear2bar at netscape.net Tue Sep 21 15:33:14 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:33:14 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Multiple logins ??? In-Reply-To: <200409211344.16448.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> References: <414ED83C.3060701@netscape.net> <1095697192.27240.13.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> <414F6C3E.1080708@netscape.net> <200409211344.16448.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> Message-ID: <415049BA.7000704@netscape.net> Hi Martin, Thanks I'm trying the script but I've run into two problems; 1) After changeing the paths for linux and adding a ";" and "done" please see code # This user is only allowed a single login instance tty=`/usr/bin/tty` # Get tty to test for multiple login if /bin/ps -u $LOGNAME | /bin/grep -v UID | /bin/grep -v "${tty##/dev/}" ; then /bin/cat <<-EOM >&2 You already have an active session on this system and you are allowed a single session. This session will now be closed. EOM wait exit fi done I saved the script and tried running it alone I get "line 16: syntax error: unexpected end of file" can the error be clarified and corrected please as it looks correct ...... Second where do I put this scrip in /etc/profile ? or as an independent executable ?? thanks for the help norbert sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk wrote: >On Tuesday 21 Sep 2004 12:48 am, norbert wrote: > > >>Hi, >> >>i'd like to thank everyone for all the good tips, now the massive work >>starts. >> >>Now how can we prevent the same user from logging in to different >>workstations without "killing" the first instance ? >> >>Please all suggestions are welcomed, this has become a real problem!!! >> >> > >We used to do this on AIX boxes; I haven't tried this under Linux but there it >*should* work with some changes to paths - YMMV > >Some code to prevent multiple logins (for /etc/profile or .profile) > ># This user is only allowed a single login instance >tty=`/usr/bin/tty` # Get tty to test for multiple login >if /usr/bin/ps -u $LOGNAME | /usr/bin/grep -v UID | /usr/bin/grep -v >"${tty##/dev/}" >then > /usr/bin/cat <<-EOM >&2 > > You already have an active session on this system and you are > allowed a single session. 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URL: From dharkness at nsd2.com Tue Sep 21 16:08:10 2004 From: dharkness at nsd2.com (Dale Harkness) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:08:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] monitor problems Message-ID: i recently installed the ltsp_sound_3.0.1 file on my LTSP 4.0 server. when i got it all configured and rebooted a machine my HP 15 monitor is now blinking all the lights on it and i see nothing. i know the video card works because it beeps (like it does when you get your login prompt) these use to work just fine but now i get nothing. i thought maybe it was the sound file i installed but if i go to a machine (same model as the other machine) with a Compaq monitor i can boot in just fine. the only difference between these machines are the monitors. unfortunately my room is full of about 95% HP 15 monitors and a few compaq ones. help! what could be causing this. we tried tweaking monitor refresh rates in lts.conf but nothing seemed to work. we even commented out the sound settings, which didn't work either (but i know this isn't the problem because remember....the compaq monitors work, just no the HP 15). thanks to whomever solves this in advance. From cwt137 at yahoo.com Tue Sep 21 16:18:46 2004 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 09:18:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] X & cirrus cards In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040921161846.47034.qmail@web12106.mail.yahoo.com> Here is what I did to solve a problem I had with some S3 and cirrus cards. But first, I'm assuming the 25% of the computers that are having trouble all have the same video card. Get the pci id of one of the cirrus video cards and edit the entry in the vidlist file. Change it to the cirrus driver instead of whatever it says. Then you can keep your 'XSERVER = auto' setting in the lts.conf file. Chris Change the --- Peter Van den Wildenbergh wrote: > Hi : > > Got some serious CIRRUS whoos... > I know these cards are crap but I have to use them > in +/- 25% of my clients :-( > > This in my lts.conf right now : > XSERVER = auto > X_MODE_0 = 800x600 > X_COLOR_DEPTH = 8 > > This works with 75% of my clients :-) except the > cirrus ones... > When I set > XSERVER = cirrus > The remaining 25% of my lab can work, but 75% > hangs... > Fatal server error > no screens found. > > I also know that I can make an entry inside lts.conf > per workstation. > But this also adds a serious task to maintenance... > I will end up with 6 or 7 LTS and 300-400 diskless > clients who will randomly connect to one of the > servers. > so I want to keep things simple in lts.conf > > Is there a solution? > > Thanks > > Peter > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From pvdw at criticalcontrol.com Tue Sep 21 16:27:58 2004 From: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com (Peter Van den Wildenbergh) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:27:58 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] X & cirrus cards Message-ID: Chris : Your assumption is correct, but I gonna need a bit more guidance in this. Where do I find the 'vidlist' and how to get the pci id? pci id: I got a shell on screen two of the clients so is it just a matter of : cat /proc/pci I found Bus 0, Device 8, Function 0: VGA compatible controller : Cirrus Logic ... or am I completely in the dark here? Thanks for the fast reply! Appreciat it very much! Peter -----Original Message----- From: Chris Thomas [mailto:cwt137 at yahoo.com] Sent: Tue 9/21/2004 10:18 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Cc: Subject: Re: [K12OSN] X & cirrus cards Here is what I did to solve a problem I had with some S3 and cirrus cards. But first, I'm assuming the 25% of the computers that are having trouble all have the same video card. Get the pci id of one of the cirrus video cards and edit the entry in the vidlist file. Change it to the cirrus driver instead of whatever it says. Then you can keep your 'XSERVER = auto' setting in the lts.conf file. Chris Change the --- Peter Van den Wildenbergh wrote: > Hi : > > Got some serious CIRRUS whoos... > I know these cards are crap but I have to use them > in +/- 25% of my clients :-( > > This in my lts.conf right now : > XSERVER = auto > X_MODE_0 = 800x600 > X_COLOR_DEPTH = 8 > > This works with 75% of my clients :-) except the > cirrus ones... > When I set > XSERVER = cirrus > The remaining 25% of my lab can work, but 75% > hangs... > Fatal server error > no screens found. > > I also know that I can make an entry inside lts.conf > per workstation. > But this also adds a serious task to maintenance... > I will end up with 6 or 7 LTS and 300-400 diskless > clients who will randomly connect to one of the > servers. > so I want to keep things simple in lts.conf > > Is there a solution? > > Thanks > > Peter > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 6862 bytes Desc: not available URL: From cwt137 at yahoo.com Tue Sep 21 16:36:45 2004 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 09:36:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] monitor problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040921163645.53919.qmail@web12108.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, It sounds like ( a joke. get it) your Modeline settings got changed when you did the install. I would look at http://www.ltsp.org/contrib/modelines.html for some safe settings. If you know your monitors V and H refresh rates, and would like to optimize your settings, google around for a modeline calculator. Chris --- Dale Harkness wrote: > i recently installed the ltsp_sound_3.0.1 file on my > LTSP 4.0 server. when i got it all configured and > rebooted a machine my HP 15 monitor is now blinking > all the lights on it and i see nothing. i know the > video card works because it beeps (like it does when > you get your login prompt) these use to work just > fine but now i get nothing. i thought maybe it was > the sound file i installed but if i go to a machine > (same model as the other machine) with a Compaq > monitor i can boot in just fine. the only difference > between these machines are the monitors. > unfortunately my room is full of about 95% HP 15 > monitors and a few compaq ones. help! what could be > causing this. we tried tweaking monitor refresh > rates in lts.conf but nothing seemed to work. we > even commented out the sound settings, which didn't > work either (but i know this isn't the problem > because remember....the compaq monitors work, just > no the HP 15). thanks to whomever solves this in > advance. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Sep 21 16:54:39 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 12:54:39 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Multiple logins ??? In-Reply-To: <415049BA.7000704@netscape.net> References: <414ED83C.3060701@netscape.net> < > <1095697192.27240.13.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> < > <414F6C3E.1080708@netscape.net> < > <200409211344.16448.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> <415049BA.7000704@netscape.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, September 21, 2004 at 11:33 AM +0000 wrote: > ># This user is only allowed a single login instance >tty=`/usr/bin/tty` # Get tty to test for multiple login > >if /bin/ps -u $LOGNAME | /bin/grep -v UID | /bin/grep -v "${tty##/dev/}" ; >then > /bin/cat <<-EOM >&2 > > You already have an active session on this system and you are > allowed a single session. This session will now be closed. > > EOM > wait > exit >fi >done Just curious...should it be $LOGNAME or $USERNAME David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From cwt137 at yahoo.com Tue Sep 21 17:18:46 2004 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:18:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] X & cirrus cards In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040921171846.31910.qmail@web12103.mail.yahoo.com> I am not near my server so these instructions wont be exact but you should be able to fill in the gaps or mistakes. First, go to the lts.conf file and put in the [default] section 'SCREEN_02 = shell' (without the quotes). and save it. Second, start one of the troubled cirrus PCs and when X fails, press Alt-Ctrl-F2 (or F1, I don't remember) to get to the prompt. At the prompt, type 'cat /proc/bus/pci/devices' This will give you a whole bunch of numbers. The numbers in the second column are pci ids. Copy the 8-digit number that starts with 1013. This is the cirrus card. Next, open up the vidlist file, its in the same directory as the lts.conf file. Go down to the cirrus section. Find the number you wrote down. Change the driver from whatever it says to 'cirrus'. Save it. Make sure your lts.conf file has 'XSERVER = auto' so the other 75% of the computers will work. Restart the troubled terminal and it should work. Last, and maybe the most important; if the troubled terminal works, it is now time to give back to the open source community! Please email the guy at the top of the vidlist file and CC Jim from LTSP and tell them about your discoveries. Ask them that your changes be included in the next release of LTSP. Be sure to tell them the version of LTSP your using, the pci id, name of video card if possible, and the driver you got it to work with. There are 100's of video cards in that file and not all of them have been tested with LTSP so your input is important! Chris --- Peter Van den Wildenbergh wrote: > Chris : > > Your assumption is correct, but I gonna need a bit > more guidance in this. > Where do I find the 'vidlist' and how to get the pci > id? > > pci id: > I got a shell on screen two of the clients so is it > just a matter of : > cat /proc/pci > I found > Bus 0, Device 8, Function 0: > VGA compatible controller : Cirrus Logic ... > > or am I completely in the dark here? > > Thanks for the fast reply! Appreciat it very much! > > Peter > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Thomas [mailto:cwt137 at yahoo.com] > Sent: Tue 9/21/2004 10:18 AM > To: Support list for opensource software in > schools. > Cc: > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] X & cirrus cards > > > > Here is what I did to solve a problem I had with > some > S3 and cirrus cards. But first, I'm assuming the > 25% > of the computers that are having trouble all have > the > same video card. > > Get the pci id of one of the cirrus video cards and > edit the entry in the vidlist file. Change it to > the > cirrus driver instead of whatever it says. Then you > can keep your 'XSERVER = auto' setting in the > lts.conf > file. > > Chris > > Change the > --- Peter Van den Wildenbergh > wrote: > > > Hi : > > > > Got some serious CIRRUS whoos... > > I know these cards are crap but I have to use > them > > in +/- 25% of my clients :-( > > > > This in my lts.conf right now : > > XSERVER = auto > > X_MODE_0 = 800x600 > > X_COLOR_DEPTH = 8 > > > > This works with 75% of my clients :-) except the > > cirrus ones... > > When I set > > XSERVER = cirrus > > The remaining 25% of my lab can work, but 75% > > hangs... > > Fatal server error > > no screens found. > > > > I also know that I can make an entry inside > lts.conf > > per workstation. > > But this also adds a serious task to > maintenance... > > I will end up with 6 or 7 LTS and 300-400 > diskless > > clients who will randomly connect to one of the > > servers. > > so I want to keep things simple in lts.conf > > > > Is there a solution? > > > > Thanks > > > > Peter > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > > _______________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! > http://vote.yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > ATTACHMENT part 2 application/ms-tnef name=winmail.dat > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From pvdw at criticalcontrol.com Tue Sep 21 17:27:43 2004 From: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com (Peter Van den Wildenbergh) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:27:43 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] X & cirrus cards Message-ID: She worky !!! Thanks Chris. Will craft an e-mail to Jim and Rob ! Thanks Peter -----Original Message----- From: Chris Thomas [mailto:cwt137 at yahoo.com] Sent: Tue 9/21/2004 11:18 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Cc: Subject: RE: [K12OSN] X & cirrus cards I am not near my server so these instructions wont be exact but you should be able to fill in the gaps or mistakes. First, go to the lts.conf file and put in the [default] section 'SCREEN_02 = shell' (without the quotes). and save it. Second, start one of the troubled cirrus PCs and when X fails, press Alt-Ctrl-F2 (or F1, I don't remember) to get to the prompt. At the prompt, type 'cat /proc/bus/pci/devices' This will give you a whole bunch of numbers. The numbers in the second column are pci ids. Copy the 8-digit number that starts with 1013. This is the cirrus card. Next, open up the vidlist file, its in the same directory as the lts.conf file. Go down to the cirrus section. Find the number you wrote down. Change the driver from whatever it says to 'cirrus'. Save it. Make sure your lts.conf file has 'XSERVER = auto' so the other 75% of the computers will work. Restart the troubled terminal and it should work. Last, and maybe the most important; if the troubled terminal works, it is now time to give back to the open source community! Please email the guy at the top of the vidlist file and CC Jim from LTSP and tell them about your discoveries. Ask them that your changes be included in the next release of LTSP. Be sure to tell them the version of LTSP your using, the pci id, name of video card if possible, and the driver you got it to work with. There are 100's of video cards in that file and not all of them have been tested with LTSP so your input is important! Chris --- Peter Van den Wildenbergh wrote: > Chris : > > Your assumption is correct, but I gonna need a bit > more guidance in this. > Where do I find the 'vidlist' and how to get the pci > id? > > pci id: > I got a shell on screen two of the clients so is it > just a matter of : > cat /proc/pci > I found > Bus 0, Device 8, Function 0: > VGA compatible controller : Cirrus Logic ... > > or am I completely in the dark here? > > Thanks for the fast reply! Appreciat it very much! > > Peter > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Thomas [mailto:cwt137 at yahoo.com] > Sent: Tue 9/21/2004 10:18 AM > To: Support list for opensource software in > schools. > Cc: > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] X & cirrus cards > > > > Here is what I did to solve a problem I had with > some > S3 and cirrus cards. But first, I'm assuming the > 25% > of the computers that are having trouble all have > the > same video card. > > Get the pci id of one of the cirrus video cards and > edit the entry in the vidlist file. Change it to > the > cirrus driver instead of whatever it says. Then you > can keep your 'XSERVER = auto' setting in the > lts.conf > file. > > Chris > > Change the > --- Peter Van den Wildenbergh > wrote: > > > Hi : > > > > Got some serious CIRRUS whoos... > > I know these cards are crap but I have to use > them > > in +/- 25% of my clients :-( > > > > This in my lts.conf right now : > > XSERVER = auto > > X_MODE_0 = 800x600 > > X_COLOR_DEPTH = 8 > > > > This works with 75% of my clients :-) except the > > cirrus ones... > > When I set > > XSERVER = cirrus > > The remaining 25% of my lab can work, but 75% > > hangs... > > Fatal server error > > no screens found. > > > > I also know that I can make an entry inside > lts.conf > > per workstation. > > But this also adds a serious task to > maintenance... > > I will end up with 6 or 7 LTS and 300-400 > diskless > > clients who will randomly connect to one of the > > servers. > > so I want to keep things simple in lts.conf > > > > Is there a solution? > > > > Thanks > > > > Peter > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > > _______________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! > http://vote.yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > ATTACHMENT part 2 application/ms-tnef name=winmail.dat > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 12882 bytes Desc: not available URL: From les at futuresource.com Tue Sep 21 17:30:37 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 12:30:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SATA vs SCSI In-Reply-To: <414F7B28.7040805@mts.net> References: <414ED502.20709@mts.net> <414F1D15.9070001@nsd.org> <414F7B28.7040805@mts.net> Message-ID: <1095787837.11889.7.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2004-09-20 at 19:51, Liam Marshall wrote: > > > fair enough, I like the idea of scsi anyway, I don;t have a raid > controller for the scsi, but I have an Adaptec controller with two > connections, I forget off hand which model it is. It does the ultra 2 > wide and the narrower type. In order to do Raid, of whatever flavour, > you need either a raid controller or 2 scsi cards, right? the one I > have is not a raid controller You can run up to 15 SCSI drives on one controller - even on the same cable. You just have to make sure the drive select settings don't conflict. Unlike IDE, the controller will overlap commands to all the drives but you probably start to run out of bandwidth with about 4 active drives (depending on the controller and drives). Anyway, software raid works fine on scsi, especially raid 1 mirroring which takes next to no cpu work although it uses the most disk space. A nice side effect is that you can clone a machine by breaking the mirrored set and moving one, and you can access the data by moving a drive to any machine with a normal controller. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Tue Sep 21 18:00:03 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 13:00:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] ATI Rage II/rage pro Message-ID: <1095789603.11889.37.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Has anyone figured out how to find the capabilities of the ATI rage cards or built in video that you find in a lot of old boxes (Dell optiplex gx1 for example)? A stock fedora install only lets you go to 1152x864 when even the low end 4 Meg versions should do 1280x1024 and if they have 8 megs they should go up to 1600x1200 in 16 bit depth. I've only been able to get the higher resolutions by manually editing xorg.conf and they sometimes work and sometimes don't, probably depending on whether it has 8 megs of ram. What happened to good old Superprobe? --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From bear2bar at netscape.net Tue Sep 21 23:16:23 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 19:16:23 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Help with Multiple logins script In-Reply-To: <200409211344.16448.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> References: <414ED83C.3060701@netscape.net> <1095697192.27240.13.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> <414F6C3E.1080708@netscape.net> <200409211344.16448.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> Message-ID: <4150B647.6070506@netscape.net> Hi , Thanks I'm trying the script but I've run into two problems; 1) After changeing the paths for linux and adding a ";" and "done" please see code # This user is only allowed a single login instance tty=`/usr/bin/tty` # Get tty to test for multiple login if /bin/ps -u $USER | /bin/grep -v UID | /bin/grep -v "${tty##/dev/}" ; then /bin/cat <<-EOM >&2 You already have an active session on this system and you are allowed a single session. This session will now be closed. EOM wait exit fi done I saved the script and tried running it alone I get "line 16: syntax error: unexpected end of file" can the error be clarified and corrected please as it looks correct ...... I think ?????? Second where do I put this scrip in /etc/profile ? or as an independent executable ?? thanks for the help norbert sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk wrote: >On Tuesday 21 Sep 2004 12:48 am, norbert wrote: > > >>Hi, >> >>i'd like to thank everyone for all the good tips, now the massive work >>starts. >> >>Now how can we prevent the same user from logging in to different >>workstations without "killing" the first instance ? >> >>Please all suggestions are welcomed, this has become a real problem!!! >> >> > >We used to do this on AIX boxes; I haven't tried this under Linux but there it >*should* work with some changes to paths - YMMV > >Some code to prevent multiple logins (for /etc/profile or .profile) > ># This user is only allowed a single login instance >tty=`/usr/bin/tty` # Get tty to test for multiple login >if /usr/bin/ps -u $LOGNAME | /usr/bin/grep -v UID | /usr/bin/grep -v >"${tty##/dev/}" >then > /usr/bin/cat <<-EOM >&2 > > You already have an active session on this system and you are > allowed a single session. This session will now be closed. > > EOM > wait > exit >fi > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Sep 21 23:19:45 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?UTF-8?B?IlRlcnJlbGwgUHJ1ZMOpLCBKci4i?=) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 19:19:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS thru firewall on FC2. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4150B711.8030601@cmosnetworks.com> Hmm...one of the problems is that NFS can pick any port above UDP 2049. You use UDP 111 to head over to the portmapper service, yes, but then portmapper takes over and maps the specific service (in this case, NFS) over to some random UDP port per the above. Fortunately, the port actually chosen by the portmapper for most NFS daemons is UDP 2049. Therefore, you could probably get away with opening UDP 2049 and UDP 111 on the firewall. If that doesn't work, then try also opening TCP 2049 and TCP 111, since NFS these days can use TCP as well. Yes, I'm dyin' of curiosity: how come you need to do this? Not passing judgment; you've simply got me wonderin'.... --TP >Terrell : > >Normally I would never do this either, but it is a temporary setup. >The box will be re-imaged after and eth0 will be trusted, >so I don't really care if it gets hacked or not. > >Pete > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Terrell Prud?, Jr." [mailto:microman at cmosnetworks.com] > Sent: Mon 9/20/2004 5:27 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Cc: > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] NFS thru firewall on FC2. > > > > Hello Peter, > > Personally, I would never, *ever* run NFS in a situation in which the > network wasn't trusted. That's why we don't do it across the Internet > (same with SMB filesharing, BTW). The only things that I trust at this > point for transferring "privileged" data across an untrusted network are > encrypted transmissions, such as SSH, IPSec, and SSL-encrypted tunnels. > > Can you tell us why you need to have eth0 as untrusted? If we know your > requirements, we might be able to help you out better. > > Thanks, > > --TP > > Peter Van den Wildenbergh wrote: > > >Hi Gang : > > > >Does somebody know how to get NFS going thru a firewall? > >My diskless clients boot unless I impose my firewall rules on eth0 (the card that is connected to the clients) > >Due to a particular set-up I would like to set eth0 as 'untrusted' > > > >I found this how-to but it is out-of-date (RH7/8) > >http://www.lowth.com/LinWiz/nfs_help.html > > > >Can anybody give advice on this? > > > >Thanks in advance > > > >Peter > From ddaniels at magic.fr Tue Sep 21 23:37:34 2004 From: ddaniels at magic.fr (dgd) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 16:37:34 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] HELP how to lock down profile and more??? In-Reply-To: <20040920112319.B22098@redline.comcast.net> References: <414ED83C.3060701@netscape.net> <414EDA24.9010808@inlandlakes.org> <20040920094837.A22098@redline.comcast.net> <414EEBB8.80501@netscape.net> <414EEECE.7010102@inlandlakes.org> <20040920112319.B22098@redline.comcast.net> Message-ID: <4150BB3E.1030807@magic.fr> I've begun a wiki page to capture the solution. http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Limiting%20user%20processes%20at%20login Norbert, once you get it working could you share what finally worked for you? Thanks! Dennis Jeff Kinz wrote: >On Mon, Sep 20, 2004 at 10:53:02AM -0400, Shawn Powers wrote: > > >>norbert wrote: >> >> >>>do a "/.*" for all the dot files in the directory ? >>> >>> >>Sorry -- I replied to the wrong thread, you aren't trying to do an "rm >>-rf" on files -- but still, using username/.* includes the parent >>directory (usually /home) so you probably don't want to fiddle with >>changing ownership, etc. >> >> >> > >I agree w/Shawn, and I'd like to point out that if you do the chmod >command as given to /.* (especially if you add the -R "apply >recursively option") you will definitely break some things for the user. >For example, you may break Internet browsing. Mozilla keeps each user's >cache under dotfile directory with the user's home directory. if this >is not writable, browsing probably won't work. This is just one >example of how things can be broken by applying large changes to the >user's dotfiles. > >I urge caution. (or at the very least some good experimentation and >testing on sample accounts prior to roll out). > > > > From bear2bar at netscape.net Wed Sep 22 00:11:38 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 20:11:38 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] HELP how to lock down profile and more??? In-Reply-To: <4150BB3E.1030807@magic.fr> References: <414ED83C.3060701@netscape.net> <414EDA24.9010808@inlandlakes.org> <20040920094837.A22098@redline.comcast.net> <414EEBB8.80501@netscape.net> <414EEECE.7010102@inlandlakes.org> <20040920112319.B22098@redline.comcast.net> <4150BB3E.1030807@magic.fr> Message-ID: <4150C33A.7030100@netscape.net> Hi, Gladly, but I'm stuck - see other posting, I can't get the script to work although it looks correct. Suggestions and editing of the script for other errors would be appreciated. BTW I thought that by setting PURGE_PROCESS=NO & Setting LIMITS (for number of logins to) 1 might do the trick sadly that did not work .... So back to the drawing board, the script looks promising but ........ arrrrrrrrrrrrrrhhhhh thks norbert ddaniels at magic.fr wrote: > I've begun a wiki page to capture the solution. > http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Limiting%20user%20processes%20at%20login > > > Norbert, once you get it working could you share what finally worked > for you? > Thanks! > > Dennis > Jeff Kinz wrote: > >> On Mon, Sep 20, 2004 at 10:53:02AM -0400, Shawn Powers wrote: >> >> >>> norbert wrote: >>> >>> >>>> do a "/.*" for all the dot files in the directory ? >>>> >>> >>> Sorry -- I replied to the wrong thread, you aren't trying to do an >>> "rm -rf" on files -- but still, using username/.* includes the >>> parent directory (usually /home) so you probably don't want to >>> fiddle with changing ownership, etc. >>> >>> >> >> >> I agree w/Shawn, and I'd like to point out that if you do the chmod >> command as given to /.* (especially if you add the -R "apply >> recursively option") you will definitely break some things for the user. >> For example, you may break Internet browsing. Mozilla keeps each user's >> cache under dotfile directory with the user's home directory. if this >> is not writable, browsing probably won't work. This is just one >> example of how things can be broken by applying large changes to the >> user's dotfiles. >> I urge caution. (or at the very least some good experimentation and >> testing on sample accounts prior to roll out). >> >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From pvdw at criticalcontrol.com Wed Sep 22 00:17:52 2004 From: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com (Peter Van den Wildenbergh) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 18:17:52 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS thru firewall on FC2. Message-ID: >Hmm...one of the problems is that NFS can pick any port above UDP 2049. >You use UDP 111 to head over to the portmapper service, yes, but then >portmapper takes over and maps the specific service (in this case, NFS) >over to some random UDP port per the above. Thats why you need to change the startup scripts for those services. http://www.lowth.com/LinWiz/nfs_help.html Problem is that this how to is for RH7/8 and not FC2 and I don't know enough yet to 'translate' the how-to >Yes, I'm dyin' of curiosity: how come you need to do this? Not passing >judgment; you've simply got me wonderin'.... Just testing and trying to lock down the LTS as much as possible. Trust nothing even not the kids that use it ;-) Peter -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The quoted text is some kind of help to remember the topic, which of course will not work, if you place the quoted text below your response. Furthermore, that's the standard. This may sound as a weak argument, but since people are not used to reading the other way around, they have no idea what you are referring to and have to go back and forth between the referenced articles, have to jump between different articles and so on. In short - reading the article becomes more and more difficult - for people who read many articles it is reason enough to skip the entire article, if the context is not obvious. And besides: doesn't it look stupid to first get the answer and then see the question? (Aside from Jeopardy, of course.) [...] HTH -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Wed Sep 22 07:49:52 2004 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 08:49:52 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Multiple logins ??? In-Reply-To: <415049BA.7000704@netscape.net> References: <414ED83C.3060701@netscape.net> <200409211344.16448.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> <415049BA.7000704@netscape.net> Message-ID: <200409220849.52896.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> On Tuesday 21 Sep 2004 4:33 pm, norbert wrote: > Hi Martin, > > Thanks I'm trying the script but I've run into two problems; > > 1) After changeing the paths for linux and adding a ";" and "done" > please see code > > # This user is only allowed a single login instance > tty=`/usr/bin/tty` # Get tty to test for multiple login > > if /bin/ps -u $LOGNAME | /bin/grep -v UID | /bin/grep -v "${tty##/dev/}" ; > then > /bin/cat <<-EOM >&2 > > You already have an active session on this system and you are > allowed a single session. This session will now be closed. > > EOM > wait > exit > fi > done > > I saved the script and tried running it alone I get "line 16: syntax > error: unexpected end of file" can the error be clarified and corrected > please as it looks correct ...... Looks to me it is the done causing your problems. Typical syntax is :- for f in `ls` ; do something done > Second where do I put this scrip in /etc/profile ? or as an independent > executable ?? Nup; just chuck the code on the end of /etc/profile. You should probably change the wait to a sleep 2 otherwise your message won't be visible. You should also possibly bypass this code for select users (root might be a good one) and be sure to stay logged in while you are fiddling with /etc/profile (ie test it using a different console). -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Wed Sep 22 07:54:59 2004 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 08:54:59 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Multiple logins ??? In-Reply-To: References: <414ED83C.3060701@netscape.net> <415049BA.7000704@netscape.net> Message-ID: <200409220854.59058.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> On Tuesday 21 Sep 2004 5:54 pm, David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > > Tuesday, September 21, 2004 at 11:33 AM +0000 wrote: > ># This user is only allowed a single login instance > >tty=`/usr/bin/tty` # Get tty to test for multiple login > > > >if /bin/ps -u $LOGNAME | /bin/grep -v UID | /bin/grep -v "${tty##/dev/}" ; > >then > > /bin/cat <<-EOM >&2 > > > > You already have an active session on this system and you are > > allowed a single session. This session will now be closed. > > > > EOM > > wait > > exit > >fi > >done > > Just curious...should it be $LOGNAME or $USERNAME [test3 at marge test3]$ echo $LOGNAME test3 [test3 at marge test3]$ echo $USERNAME [test3 at marge test3]$ I'd say use $LOGNAME -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From cliebow at downeast.net Wed Sep 22 10:44:14 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 10:44:14 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Help with Multiple logins script Message-ID: <200409221048.i8MAmfQ29085@downeast.net> here is piece from eric harrisons scripts cat << EOF > /etc/openldap/schema/samba.schema I wonser about the dash you have in that line..chuck --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From bear2bar at netscape.net Wed Sep 22 12:01:54 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 08:01:54 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Multiple logins ??? In-Reply-To: <200409220849.52896.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> References: <414ED83C.3060701@netscape.net> <200409211344.16448.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> <415049BA.7000704@netscape.net> <200409220849.52896.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> Message-ID: <415169B2.9060608@netscape.net> HI, Thanks for the input, but I had tried the code without the "done" and I get the same error, suggestions please... thks norbert sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk wrote: >On Tuesday 21 Sep 2004 4:33 pm, norbert wrote: > > >>Hi Martin, >> >>Thanks I'm trying the script but I've run into two problems; >> >>1) After changeing the paths for linux and adding a ";" and "done" >>please see code >> >># This user is only allowed a single login instance >>tty=`/usr/bin/tty` # Get tty to test for multiple login >> >>if /bin/ps -u $LOGNAME | /bin/grep -v UID | /bin/grep -v "${tty##/dev/}" ; >>then >> /bin/cat <<-EOM >&2 >> >> You already have an active session on this system and you are >> allowed a single session. This session will now be closed. >> >> EOM >> wait >> exit >>fi >>done >> >>I saved the script and tried running it alone I get "line 16: syntax >>error: unexpected end of file" can the error be clarified and corrected >>please as it looks correct ...... >> >> > >Looks to me it is the done causing your problems. Typical syntax is :- >for f in `ls` ; do > something >done > > > >>Second where do I put this scrip in /etc/profile ? or as an independent >>executable ?? >> >> > >Nup; just chuck the code on the end of /etc/profile. You should probably >change the wait to a sleep 2 otherwise your message won't be visible. You >should also possibly bypass this code for select users (root might be a good >one) and be sure to stay logged in while you are fiddling with /etc/profile >(ie test it using a different console). > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fhkms at adelphia.net Wed Sep 22 13:20:36 2004 From: fhkms at adelphia.net (Will Hatch) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 9:20:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] remote login Message-ID: <20040922132036.VFPU2583.mta9.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Hi all, I am taking a education class where we have to make a powerpoint presentation on a educational topic. I want to talk about open source software in schools, and to show what I have done here at this school with recycled computers and the k12 package. I though it would be cool to be able to remotely login to my server while doing my powerpoint presentation. Then, I could show how it actually works. How do I do this and is it too complicated for this rookie? Also, I have a Ipcop box between my cable modem and my k12 box, as a firewall/router with dansguardian content filtering; in case this complicates things. Thanks! From fhkms at adelphia.net Wed Sep 22 13:33:51 2004 From: fhkms at adelphia.net (Will Hatch) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 9:33:51 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] get java Message-ID: <20040922133351.VPFV2583.mta9.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> I logged into kde as root and double-clicked on the add additional programs icon. When I double-click on get java or get flash I get a terminal window that loads lots of text, which ultimately ends with an error message. Is there a secret to this? I like to use certain webpages that have java and I can't under current conditions. Thanks! From bear2bar at netscape.net Wed Sep 22 13:42:16 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 09:42:16 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Multiple logins ??? In-Reply-To: <200409220849.52896.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> References: <414ED83C.3060701@netscape.net> <200409211344.16448.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> <415049BA.7000704@netscape.net> <200409220849.52896.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> Message-ID: <41518138.5040405@netscape.net> Hi, I've tried the changes, i.e. the "sleep" & removing the "done" but I get the same error message "syntax error: unexpected end of file" WHY !!!!! :-[ Second how could the script be modified, once it works, to be applied only to a group of users? thanks for all the help norbert sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk wrote: >On Tuesday 21 Sep 2004 4:33 pm, norbert wrote: > > >>Hi Martin, >> >>Thanks I'm trying the script but I've run into two problems; >> >>1) After changeing the paths for linux and adding a ";" and "done" >>please see code >> >># This user is only allowed a single login instance >>tty=`/usr/bin/tty` # Get tty to test for multiple login >> >>if /bin/ps -u $LOGNAME | /bin/grep -v UID | /bin/grep -v "${tty##/dev/}" ; >>then >> /bin/cat <<-EOM >&2 >> >> You already have an active session on this system and you are >> allowed a single session. This session will now be closed. >> >> EOM >> wait >> exit >>fi >>done >> >>I saved the script and tried running it alone I get "line 16: syntax >>error: unexpected end of file" can the error be clarified and corrected >>please as it looks correct ...... >> >> > >Looks to me it is the done causing your problems. Typical syntax is :- >for f in `ls` ; do > something >done > > > >>Second where do I put this scrip in /etc/profile ? or as an independent >>executable ?? >> >> > >Nup; just chuck the code on the end of /etc/profile. You should probably >change the wait to a sleep 2 otherwise your message won't be visible. You >should also possibly bypass this code for select users (root might be a good >one) and be sure to stay logged in while you are fiddling with /etc/profile >(ie test it using a different console). > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From petre at maltzen.net Wed Sep 22 14:42:40 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 09:42:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] remote login In-Reply-To: <20040922132036.VFPU2583.mta9.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> References: <20040922132036.VFPU2583.mta9.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <41518F60.4080707@maltzen.net> With a few assumptions, 1) that you can ssh into the Ipcop box from wherever you'll be doing your presentation; 2) that the VNC server is running on the K12lstp box (which it is by default, but some take it out if they have no use for it); you'll have a Linux box at the demonstration site--I don't know if this can be done with a Windows box. With those things in place, you can do this: From the remote location (where you'll be standing when doing your presentation) at a shell prompt, type ssh -C -L 3700:k12lstpbox:5900 ipcopbox where k12ltspbox is the name of the k12ltsp server (and ipcop knows the address of that box--if not, use the address of the ltsp box), and ipcopbox is the publicly accessible name or address of your school/ipcop firewall. This assumes that the ID you are using on the linux box at the demo site is valid on the ipcop box; if not, add '-l valid_id' where valid_id is a legit ID on the ipcop box. Once that's connected, on the linux box at the demo site, fire up vncviewer and point it at localhost:3700, and you should get the LTSP login screen just as if you were at the school and pointed vncviewer at the server. What the above command does is creates a compressed (-C) tunnel in which anything directed at port 3700 is sent to the ipcopbox which then automatically directs the traffic to port 5900 (where vncserver listens) on the K12ltspbox. I use this regularly to securely connect to remote LTSP servers where I need to actually see the desktop in action. It can be a bit slow, depending on the size of the pipes and the load on the ipcop box and the ltsp server, but it's certainly usable, especially for a demo. You could even take, say, two or three laptops (borrow some and use knoppix disks to get an instant linux client) to the demo site and have them all doing this to really show off. I'd test it beforehand though just to make sure it doesn't bog down too much. Petre Will Hatch wrote: >Hi all, > >I am taking a education class where we have to make a powerpoint presentation on a educational topic. I want to talk about open source software in schools, and to show what I have done here at this school with recycled computers and the k12 package. I though it would be cool to be able to remotely login to my server while doing my powerpoint presentation. Then, I could show how it actually works. How do I do this and is it too complicated for this rookie? Also, I have a Ipcop box between my cable modem and my k12 box, as a firewall/router with dansguardian content filtering; in case this complicates things. Thanks! > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From dharkness at nsd2.com Wed Sep 22 14:40:59 2004 From: dharkness at nsd2.com (Dale Harkness) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 09:40:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] default resolutions Message-ID: where do clients grab their default resolutions when booting up from? i thought it was /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf but it is not because when we change modeline settings there is no difference on the clients, also thought it might be in /tmp/XF86Config but that is not there either. where are they getting these from!!! my resolutions are all messed up and i can't get them to default to something. thanks. dale From fhkms at adelphia.net Wed Sep 22 14:58:44 2004 From: fhkms at adelphia.net (Will Hatch) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 10:58:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] remote login Message-ID: <20040922145844.UIPM404.mta11.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> I don't completely understand your instructions yet, although they seem very good and I think I could figure this out. But, I'm thinking that I need a static ip address for my k12box, which I do not have. Adelphia provides internet for free because we are a school within a certain distance from the line. Do I need a static ip? Thanks Petre > > From: Petre Scheie > Date: 2004/09/22 Wed AM 10:42:40 EDT > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] remote login > > With a few assumptions, 1) that you can ssh into the Ipcop box from > wherever you'll be doing your presentation; 2) that the VNC server is > running on the K12lstp box (which it is by default, but some take it out > if they have no use for it); you'll have a Linux box at the > demonstration site--I don't know if this can be done with a Windows > box. With those things in place, you can do this: > > From the remote location (where you'll be standing when doing your > presentation) at a shell prompt, type > > ssh -C -L 3700:k12lstpbox:5900 ipcopbox > > where k12ltspbox is the name of the k12ltsp server (and ipcop knows the > address of that box--if not, use the address of the ltsp box), and > ipcopbox is the publicly accessible name or address of your school/ipcop > firewall. This assumes that the ID you are using on the linux box at > the demo site is valid on the ipcop box; if not, add '-l valid_id' where > valid_id is a legit ID on the ipcop box. Once that's connected, on the > linux box at the demo site, fire up vncviewer and point it at > localhost:3700, and you should get the LTSP login screen just as if you > were at the school and pointed vncviewer at the server. > > What the above command does is creates a compressed (-C) tunnel in which > anything directed at port 3700 is sent to the ipcopbox which then > automatically directs the traffic to port 5900 (where vncserver listens) > on the K12ltspbox. > > I use this regularly to securely connect to remote LTSP servers where I > need to actually see the desktop in action. It can be a bit slow, > depending on the size of the pipes and the load on the ipcop box and the > ltsp server, but it's certainly usable, especially for a demo. You > could even take, say, two or three laptops (borrow some and use knoppix > disks to get an instant linux client) to the demo site and have them all > doing this to really show off. I'd test it beforehand though just to > make sure it doesn't bog down too much. > > Petre > > Will Hatch wrote: > > >Hi all, > > > >I am taking a education class where we have to make a powerpoint presentation on a educational topic. I want to talk about open source software in schools, and to show what I have done here at this school with recycled computers and the k12 package. I though it would be cool to be able to remotely login to my server while doing my powerpoint presentation. Then, I could show how it actually works. How do I do this and is it too complicated for this rookie? Also, I have a Ipcop box between my cable modem and my k12 box, as a firewall/router with dansguardian content filtering; in case this complicates things. Thanks! > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Wed Sep 22 14:56:15 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 09:56:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Multiple logins ??? In-Reply-To: <41518138.5040405@netscape.net> References: <414ED83C.3060701@netscape.net> <200409211344.16448.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> <415049BA.7000704@netscape.net> <200409220849.52896.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> <41518138.5040405@netscape.net> Message-ID: <1095864975.24793.27.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-09-22 at 08:42, norbert wrote: > Hi, > > I've tried the changes, i.e. the "sleep" & removing the "done" but I > get the same error message "syntax error: unexpected end of file" WHY > !!!!! :-[ The <<-EOM syntax starts a 'here document' (that is, input in-line in the script) that is terminated by the arbitrary text token used (EOM in this case) appearing as the only thing on a subsequent line. The '-' part of the command allows leading tabs in front of the text and token but you probably have spaces or trailing white space. Remove the white space around EOM and it should work. > Second how could the script be modified, once it works, to be applied > only to a group of users? if `groups |grep -q mygroup` then ...conditional stuff... fi --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Wed Sep 22 15:01:29 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 10:01:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] remote login In-Reply-To: <41518F60.4080707@maltzen.net> References: <20040922132036.VFPU2583.mta9.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> <41518F60.4080707@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1095865289.24793.32.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-09-22 at 09:42, Petre Scheie wrote: > I don't know if this can be done with a Windows > box. With those things in place, you can do this: > > From the remote location (where you'll be standing when doing your > presentation) at a shell prompt, type > > ssh -C -L 3700:k12lstpbox:5900 ipcopbox Yes, you can do this with a windows box. If you install the cygwin version of ssh the command line would be the same, or you can do it with putty. On the other hand if you are using linux vncviewer you can use the -via ssh_host option and it will do the port forwarding setup for you. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From lsrpm at mts.net Wed Sep 22 15:04:24 2004 From: lsrpm at mts.net (Liam Marshall) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 10:04:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] get java In-Reply-To: <20040922133351.VPFV2583.mta9.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> References: <20040922133351.VPFV2583.mta9.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <1095865464.16452.3.camel@server.ltsp> On Wed, 2004-09-22 at 08:33, Will Hatch wrote: > I logged into kde as root and double-clicked on the add additional programs icon. When I double-click on get java or get flash I get a terminal window that loads lots of text, which ultimately ends with an error message. Is there a secret to this? I like to use certain webpages that have java and I can't under current conditions. Thanks! > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see the trick I discovered is that a default loading of the K12LTSP package loads a conflict between foo and I believe it was hpljs. If you go to the Synaptic Package manager and look at the Broken Packages, there will probably be something about it there. When you fix that, at least when I fixed that, which blows away foo, then the "Install Additional Programs" stuff works for Java, Flash, Adobe, etc Hope this works for you From bear2bar at netscape.net Wed Sep 22 15:38:43 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 11:38:43 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Multiple logins ??? In-Reply-To: <1095864975.24793.27.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <414ED83C.3060701@netscape.net> <200409211344.16448.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> <415049BA.7000704@netscape.net> <200409220849.52896.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> <41518138.5040405@netscape.net> <1095864975.24793.27.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <41519C83.9040503@netscape.net> Hi Les, THANKS the empty spaces were the culprit, now the testing starts. The bit of code is simple enough but how do I integrate within that original script ??? thks norbert les at futuresource.com wrote: >On Wed, 2004-09-22 at 08:42, norbert wrote: > > >>Hi, >> >>I've tried the changes, i.e. the "sleep" & removing the "done" but I >>get the same error message "syntax error: unexpected end of file" WHY >>!!!!! :-[ >> >> > >The <<-EOM syntax starts a 'here document' (that is, input in-line >in the script) that is terminated by the arbitrary text token used >(EOM in this case) appearing as the only thing on a subsequent line. >The '-' part of the command allows leading tabs in front of the text >and token but you probably have spaces or trailing white space. >Remove the white space around EOM and it should work. > > > >>Second how could the script be modified, once it works, to be applied >>only to a group of users? >> >> > >if `groups |grep -q mygroup` > then > ...conditional stuff... >fi > >--- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fhkms at adelphia.net Wed Sep 22 15:47:36 2004 From: fhkms at adelphia.net (Will Hatch) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 11:47:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] get java Message-ID: <20040922154736.VNSE404.mta11.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> I have not used the synaptic package manager before. I have several broken packages. How do I use it? I lost the applets on my gnome taskbar and I noticed that they are listed here. Maybe this utility will fix them! Help!!! > > From: Liam Marshall > Date: 2004/09/22 Wed AM 11:04:24 EDT > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] get java > > On Wed, 2004-09-22 at 08:33, Will Hatch wrote: > > I logged into kde as root and double-clicked on the add additional programs icon. When I double-click on get java or get flash I get a terminal window that loads lots of text, which ultimately ends with an error message. Is there a secret to this? I like to use certain webpages that have java and I can't under current conditions. Thanks! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > the trick I discovered is that a default loading of the K12LTSP package > loads a conflict between foo and I believe it was hpljs. If you go to > the Synaptic Package manager and look at the Broken Packages, there will > probably be something about it there. > > When you fix that, at least when I fixed that, which blows away foo, > then the "Install Additional Programs" stuff works for Java, Flash, > Adobe, etc > > Hope this works for you > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Wed Sep 22 15:47:41 2004 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 09:47:41 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 7, Issue 80 In-Reply-To: <20040921171902.ABCC3730FD@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040921171902.ABCC3730FD@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <41519E9D.6090609@saskforestcentre.ca> Well, that's really interesting. I have a couple of clients which require manual setting to make them get to an X screen. They are identical hardware, a Toshiba Satellite Pro 4600 , which have Trident Cyberblade XP video cards on board. I checked the PCI ID's, as below. Then I went to the vidlist file and found the card correctly represented. It is PCI ID 10239910, and is in the file as 1023:9910 trident CyberBlade XP Obviously, this is correct, but the automatic choice doesn't pick it up. This isn't critical, but every time I install a server, I have to change lts.conf to reflect the specifc hardware. That's an extra step. It's not a big deal. Angus Carr. k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: >Message: 6 >Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:18:46 -0700 (PDT) >From: Chris Thomas >Subject: RE: [K12OSN] X & cirrus cards >To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > >Message-ID: <20040921171846.31910.qmail at web12103.mail.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >I am not near my server so these instructions wont be >exact but you should be able to fill in the gaps or >mistakes. > >First, go to the lts.conf file and put in the >[default] section 'SCREEN_02 = shell' (without the >quotes). and save it. > >Second, start one of the troubled cirrus PCs and when >X fails, press Alt-Ctrl-F2 (or F1, I don't remember) >to get to the prompt. > >At the prompt, type 'cat /proc/bus/pci/devices' This >will give you a whole bunch of numbers. The numbers in >the second column are pci ids. Copy the 8-digit number >that starts with 1013. This is the cirrus card. > >Next, open up the vidlist file, its in the same >directory as the lts.conf file. Go down to the cirrus >section. Find the number you wrote down. Change the >driver from whatever it says to 'cirrus'. Save it. > >Make sure your lts.conf file has 'XSERVER = auto' so >the other 75% of the computers will work. Restart the >troubled terminal and it should work. > >Last, and maybe the most important; if the troubled >terminal works, it is now time to give back to the >open source community! Please email the guy at the top >of the vidlist file and CC Jim from LTSP and tell them >about your discoveries. Ask them that your changes be >included in the next release of LTSP. Be sure to tell >them the version of LTSP your using, the pci id, name >of video card if possible, and the driver you got it >to work with. There are 100's of video cards in that >file and not all of them have been tested with LTSP so >your input is important! > >Chris > From bear2bar at netscape.net Wed Sep 22 15:49:25 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 11:49:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Multiple logins UPDATE In-Reply-To: <1095864975.24793.27.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <414ED83C.3060701@netscape.net> <200409211344.16448.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> <415049BA.7000704@netscape.net> <200409220849.52896.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> <41518138.5040405@netscape.net> <1095864975.24793.27.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <41519F05.4030104@netscape.net> Hi, OK the script works, actually it works to well !!! When added to the etc/profile script none of the clients can login , the screen just cycles back to the login prompt ! HELP !!!! thks norbert les at futuresource.com wrote: >On Wed, 2004-09-22 at 08:42, norbert wrote: > > >>Hi, >> >>I've tried the changes, i.e. the "sleep" & removing the "done" but I >>get the same error message "syntax error: unexpected end of file" WHY >>!!!!! :-[ >> >> > >The <<-EOM syntax starts a 'here document' (that is, input in-line >in the script) that is terminated by the arbitrary text token used >(EOM in this case) appearing as the only thing on a subsequent line. >The '-' part of the command allows leading tabs in front of the text >and token but you probably have spaces or trailing white space. >Remove the white space around EOM and it should work. > > > >>Second how could the script be modified, once it works, to be applied >>only to a group of users? >> >> > >if `groups |grep -q mygroup` > then > ...conditional stuff... >fi > >--- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les at futuresource.com Wed Sep 22 15:53:58 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 10:53:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Multiple logins ??? In-Reply-To: <41519C83.9040503@netscape.net> References: <414ED83C.3060701@netscape.net> <200409211344.16448.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> <415049BA.7000704@netscape.net> <200409220849.52896.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> <41518138.5040405@netscape.net> <1095864975.24793.27.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <41519C83.9040503@netscape.net> Message-ID: <1095868438.24793.44.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-09-22 at 10:38, norbert wrote: > THANKS the empty spaces were the culprit, now the testing starts. The > bit of code is simple enough but how do I integrate within that > original script ??? If you are sticking it in /etc/profile, put the entire part you were adding where I had ...conditional stuff... (between the then and fi lines) so it only happens if one of the groups match. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dyioulos at firstbhph.com Wed Sep 22 15:58:31 2004 From: dyioulos at firstbhph.com (Dimitri Yioulos) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 11:58:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] samba-winbind-ads setup In-Reply-To: <013001c49bb9$02e40710$0100a8c0@detg8i4yizs6re> Message-ID: <200409221552.i8MFqBim009759@mail1.firstbhph.com> -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of John Simovic Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 1:47 AM To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] samba-winbind-ads setup Go to http://www.wlug.org.nz/ActiveDirectorySamba for an excellent howto. Worked perfect for me Trying to move ahead with my samba-winbind-ads setup, I followed the directions in the how-to suggested by John to the letter. I checked and rechecked everything to make sure all was right. I found that "net ads join" only worked if I added the "S" switch. Without it, I'd get the error "ads_connect: Transport endpoint is not connected". Doing a "wbinfo -u" returns "Error looking up domain users". What the ... am I doing wrong? Diggy From les at futuresource.com Wed Sep 22 16:07:09 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 11:07:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Multiple logins UPDATE In-Reply-To: <41519F05.4030104@netscape.net> References: <414ED83C.3060701@netscape.net> <200409211344.16448.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> <415049BA.7000704@netscape.net> <200409220849.52896.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> <41518138.5040405@netscape.net> <1095864975.24793.27.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <41519F05.4030104@netscape.net> Message-ID: <1095869229.24793.55.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-09-22 at 10:49, norbert wrote: > OK the script works, actually it works to well !!! When added to the > etc/profile script none of the clients can login , the screen just > cycles back to the login prompt ! HELP !!!! You still must have some kind of error. If you still have a root login and a backup of the original /etc/profile, put it back for the moment. Put the piece you want to add in a separate file somewhere, do a 'chmod +x filename' to it, then after a normal login, try sh -x filename to run it. The -x is a crude 'debug' mode of the shell that shows variable expansion and a few other things line-by-line as the script executes. Usually that is enough to tell what is going wrong. If you aren't still logged in as root and can't log in again you will probably have to reboot to get back in. Yell if that is the case - you have to edit the grub kernel line to add the word 'single' to bring it up single-user, or boot the install cd in rescue mode. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From petre at maltzen.net Wed Sep 22 16:16:26 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 11:16:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] remote login In-Reply-To: <20040922145844.UIPM404.mta11.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> References: <20040922145844.UIPM404.mta11.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <4151A55A.9050907@maltzen.net> I'm sure your k12box already has a static IP address, but the public address that Adelphia assigns to the first box past the cable modem--in your case, that would be the IPCop box, and that is likely a dynamic address. If it were a static address, that would be easier, but they cost more than dynamic addresses. But there are ways around that, too: Check out www.dyndns.org. With them you can get up to five subdomains for free, and they have a bunch of domains to choose from. So, for example, my home webserver's DNS name is petre.homedns.org. Dyndns owns the homedns.org domain, and I signed up for the petre part of that domain. Then, you download onto the ipcop box a dynamic agent that periodically looks at the address that your ISP has assigned to you and then it goes and updates the address in dnydns's DNS servers. I use ddclient which runs as a daemon and checks my address every five minutes. That way, when I want to get to one of my home boxes, I just ssh to petre.dyndns.org, and I never have to worry about what the address is. IPCop may even have a built-in client that can update dyndns.org. There are other free DNS services out there; dyndns.org is just the one that I'm familiar with. Petre Will Hatch wrote: >I don't completely understand your instructions yet, although they seem very good and I think I could figure this out. But, I'm thinking that I need a static ip address for my k12box, which I do not have. Adelphia provides internet for free because we are a school within a certain distance from the line. Do I need a static ip? Thanks Petre > > >>From: Petre Scheie >>Date: 2004/09/22 Wed AM 10:42:40 EDT >>To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." >>Subject: Re: [K12OSN] remote login >> >>With a few assumptions, 1) that you can ssh into the Ipcop box from >>wherever you'll be doing your presentation; 2) that the VNC server is >>running on the K12lstp box (which it is by default, but some take it out >>if they have no use for it); you'll have a Linux box at the >>demonstration site--I don't know if this can be done with a Windows >>box. With those things in place, you can do this: >> >> From the remote location (where you'll be standing when doing your >>presentation) at a shell prompt, type >> >>ssh -C -L 3700:k12lstpbox:5900 ipcopbox >> >>where k12ltspbox is the name of the k12ltsp server (and ipcop knows the >>address of that box--if not, use the address of the ltsp box), and >>ipcopbox is the publicly accessible name or address of your school/ipcop >>firewall. This assumes that the ID you are using on the linux box at >>the demo site is valid on the ipcop box; if not, add '-l valid_id' where >>valid_id is a legit ID on the ipcop box. Once that's connected, on the >>linux box at the demo site, fire up vncviewer and point it at >>localhost:3700, and you should get the LTSP login screen just as if you >>were at the school and pointed vncviewer at the server. >> >>What the above command does is creates a compressed (-C) tunnel in which >>anything directed at port 3700 is sent to the ipcopbox which then >>automatically directs the traffic to port 5900 (where vncserver listens) >>on the K12ltspbox. >> >>I use this regularly to securely connect to remote LTSP servers where I >>need to actually see the desktop in action. It can be a bit slow, >>depending on the size of the pipes and the load on the ipcop box and the >>ltsp server, but it's certainly usable, especially for a demo. You >>could even take, say, two or three laptops (borrow some and use knoppix >>disks to get an instant linux client) to the demo site and have them all >>doing this to really show off. I'd test it beforehand though just to >>make sure it doesn't bog down too much. >> >>Petre >> >>Will Hatch wrote: >> >> >> >>>Hi all, >>> >>>I am taking a education class where we have to make a powerpoint presentation on a educational topic. I want to talk about open source software in schools, and to show what I have done here at this school with recycled computers and the k12 package. I though it would be cool to be able to remotely login to my server while doing my powerpoint presentation. Then, I could show how it actually works. How do I do this and is it too complicated for this rookie? Also, I have a Ipcop box between my cable modem and my k12 box, as a firewall/router with dansguardian content filtering; in case this complicates things. Thanks! >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Wed Sep 22 16:17:16 2004 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 12:17:16 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] winpopup messages Message-ID: <1095869836.25459.88.camel@phoenix.media.local> Has anyone got a way to display winpopup (aka net send) messages on the k12ltsp clients? I'm trying to use the "message command = " configuration option in samba, but I'm getting GTK access denied messages in my log files (I know it runs as guest account though... any workarounds, other solutions to messaging clients without them replying back?) Henry Burroughs -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les at futuresource.com Wed Sep 22 16:14:54 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 11:14:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] get java In-Reply-To: <20040922154736.VNSE404.mta11.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> References: <20040922154736.VNSE404.mta11.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <1095869693.24793.62.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-09-22 at 10:47, Will Hatch wrote: > I have not used the synaptic package manager before. > I have several broken packages. How do I use it? > I lost the applets on my gnome taskbar and I noticed that > they are listed here. Maybe this utility will fix them! Help!!! Synaptic is just a gui wrapper for apt. Running apt-get -f install should offer to fix any broken dependencies (by removing them...). After those are fixed you can do an apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade and apt-get install package... to get back to normal (as long as you remember the packages you need). I've seen a few cases where yum and apt do slightly different things and sometimes one will fix the other's mistakes. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Sep 22 16:40:14 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 11:40:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] get java In-Reply-To: <1095869693.24793.62.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <009001c4a0c2$d5e39d20$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > Synaptic is just a gui wrapper for apt. Running > apt-get -f install > should offer to fix any broken dependencies (by removing > them...). After those are fixed you can do an apt-get update > apt-get dist-upgrade and > apt-get install package... > to get back to normal (as long as you remember the packages you need). I had problems getting Acrobat Reader and Java as well last night. What would be the name of the packages to manually get them with yum or apt? --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.766 / Virus Database: 513 - Release Date: 9/17/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From les at futuresource.com Wed Sep 22 17:00:21 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 12:00:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] get java In-Reply-To: <009001c4a0c2$d5e39d20$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> References: <009001c4a0c2$d5e39d20$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1095872421.27925.11.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-09-22 at 11:40, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I had problems getting Acrobat Reader and Java as well last night. What > would be the name of the packages to manually get them with yum or apt? Look at the get.* script files /usr/sbin. The technique has changed between versions but the appropriate commands are there. I think you could use 'yum install ...' instead of 'up2date -i ..'. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From trondrm at online.no Wed Sep 22 17:36:46 2004 From: trondrm at online.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Trond_M=E6hlum?=) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 19:36:46 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound on terminals Message-ID: <200409221736.i8MHaf12015473@mail44.nsc.no> I did a quick try with sound on my terminals. The terminals are Dell Optiplex PC's with PCI soundcard. I use K12LTSP 4.0.1, and haven't changed anything in lts.conf. It looks like sound is enabled with Y and nasd in the config file. Sound does not work. Not in KDE, not in Gnome and not in IceWM. When I try to stream webradio through xmms I get output plugin failure. When I log on to KDE it says /dev/dsp does not exist. Can someone give me a quick how-to on this? And also a method of confirming that sound actually does work. Regards Trond M?hlum From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Sep 22 17:44:39 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 12:44:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Volume on Mac Chubby Clients Message-ID: <009201c4a0cb$d570c800$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> I finally have iMac Bondi's running with sound after switching to 4.1.0 on the server. Problem is the sound is cranked, I mean loud. The volume slider in the lower right hand taskbar is all the way down. Anyone know how to give volume control back to the user? Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.766 / Virus Database: 513 - Release Date: 9/17/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dyioulos at firstbhph.com Wed Sep 22 17:43:27 2004 From: dyioulos at firstbhph.com (Dimitri Yioulos) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 13:43:27 -0400 Subject: {Spam?} RE: [K12OSN] samba-winbind-ads setup In-Reply-To: <200409221552.i8MFqBim009759@mail1.firstbhph.com> Message-ID: <200409221737.i8MHb7SZ010476@mail1.firstbhph.com> -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Dimitri Yioulos Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 10:59 AM To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: {Spam?} RE: [K12OSN] samba-winbind-ads setup -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of John Simovic Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 1:47 AM To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] samba-winbind-ads setup Go to http://www.wlug.org.nz/ActiveDirectorySamba for an excellent howto. Worked perfect for me Trying to move ahead with my samba-winbind-ads setup, I followed the directions in the how-to suggested by John to the letter. I checked and rechecked everything to make sure all was right. I found that "net ads join" only worked if I added the "S" switch. Without it, I'd get the error "ads_connect: Transport endpoint is not connected". Doing a "wbinfo -u" returns "Error looking up domain users". What the ... am I doing wrong? Diggy Never mind. I found that when I substituted the IP address of the DC in both smb.conf and krb5.conf, it worked. At least as for as "wbinfo -u" and "wbinfo -g" returning expected results. However, getent passwd does not return the expected results. Any idea as to why this is? Diggy From haysja at sages.us Wed Sep 22 18:25:22 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 13:25:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Volume on Mac Chubby Clients In-Reply-To: <009201c4a0cb$d570c800$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> References: <009201c4a0cb$d570c800$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <4151C392.1070401@sages.us> It doesn't give control back to the user, but you can adjust the default volume in lst.conf. If you have a small number of these macs, you can place settings in dhcp.conf assigning a hostname to a particular ethernet address and then add sections to lts.conf for those hostnames and set the volumes in there. It won't allow the user to adjust the sound, but it will get it under control. Of course, you could use powered external speakers with a volume control :) Jim Kronebusch wrote: >I finally have iMac Bondi's running with sound after switching to 4.1.0 >on the server. Problem is the sound is cranked, I mean loud. The >volume slider in the lower right hand taskbar is all the way down. >Anyone know how to give volume control back to the user? > >Jim Kronebusch >Cotter Tech Department >507-453-5188 >jim at winonacotter.org > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.766 / Virus Database: 513 - Release Date: 9/17/2004 > > > > > From nbs at sonic.net Wed Sep 22 18:48:13 2004 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 11:48:13 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Slides from K12LTSP talk in Davis are online Message-ID: <20040922184813.GC12128@sonic.net> Slides from Steve Hargadon's presentation on K12LTSP at the Linux Users' Group of Davis (California) meeting this past Monday are now online. I converted the slides to PDF, for easier web viewing. Enjoy! http://www.lugod.org/presentations/k12ltsp.pdf -bill! bill at newbreedsoftware.com New Breed Software http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/ Tux Paint 0.9.14 -- Coming soon! From steve at hargadon.com Wed Sep 22 19:21:24 2004 From: steve at hargadon.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 12:21:24 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Web Publishing Program for Students Message-ID: Can anyone recommend a good web publishing / html editing program for students to use in a K12LTSP environment? Steve Hargadon Hargadon Computer, Inc. 916-652-8600, ext. 711 From kjetil at knudsen.gs Wed Sep 22 19:31:05 2004 From: kjetil at knudsen.gs (Kjetil Knudsen) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 21:31:05 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] get java References: <009001c4a0c2$d5e39d20$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <00e201c4a0da$b52a00c0$6400a8c0@mobilknut> > I had problems getting Acrobat Reader and Java as well last night. What > would be the name of the packages to manually get them with yum or apt? > If you are using Fedora, you will find what you need here: http://www.fedorafaq.org/ Kjetil Knudsen From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Sep 22 19:30:58 2004 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 15:30:58 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Web Publishing Program for Students In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4151D2F2.5070302@inlandlakes.org> Steve Hargadon wrote: > Can anyone recommend a good web publishing / html editing program for > students to use in a K12LTSP environment? "mozilla -edit" will bring up composer, which is a decent (albeit simple) WYSIWYG html editor. There are other more "code writing" tools that are good if you're teaching how to actually write html. Also, NVU is a sorta remake of mozilla composer, but it's not part of the standard K12LTSP install, as it's relatively new. I usually have my staff members and students use mozilla if they want to make a simple web page. Hope that helps! -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Sep 22 19:37:40 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 14:37:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Volume on Mac Chubby Clients In-Reply-To: <4151C392.1070401@sages.us> Message-ID: <009a01c4a0db$9fa43f80$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > Of course, you could use powered external speakers with a > volume control :) I kind of figured that. I like the external speaker idea. Is this the case with all thin clients or just with the special mac crap? I guess I have never tried to adjust volume on the clients with any setup. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.766 / Virus Database: 513 - Release Date: 9/17/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Sep 22 19:45:21 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 12:45:21 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Web Publishing Program for Students In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4151D651.7010201@paasda.org> dare I say ... 'vi' ? =) If not... NVU works... --Huck Steve Hargadon wrote: >Can anyone recommend a good web publishing / html editing program for >students to use in a K12LTSP environment? > >Steve Hargadon >Hargadon Computer, Inc. >916-652-8600, ext. 711 > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From haysja at sages.us Wed Sep 22 19:55:50 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 14:55:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Volume on Mac Chubby Clients In-Reply-To: <009a01c4a0db$9fa43f80$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> References: <009a01c4a0db$9fa43f80$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <4151D8C6.1040405@sages.us> You can set the default volume on any clients this way. (Mucho testing needed to get it "just right".) The Mac issue is that K12LTSP won't "know" how to handle the keystrokes on the Mac to adjust the volume. External speakers are the easiest way (and possibly the least expensive when you consider that our time is valuable) to solve the problem. Jim Kronebusch wrote: >>Of course, you could use powered external speakers with a >>volume control :) >> >> > >I kind of figured that. I like the external speaker idea. Is this the >case with all thin clients or just with the special mac crap? I guess I >have never tried to adjust volume on the clients with any setup. > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.766 / Virus Database: 513 - Release Date: 9/17/2004 > > > > > From haysja at sages.us Wed Sep 22 19:56:56 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 14:56:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Web Publishing Program for Students In-Reply-To: <4151D651.7010201@paasda.org> References: <4151D651.7010201@paasda.org> Message-ID: <4151D908.4040204@sages.us> Not 'vi'. I use Pico (or Nano). Huck wrote: > dare I say ... 'vi' ? =) > If not... NVU works... > > --Huck > > Steve Hargadon wrote: > >> Can anyone recommend a good web publishing / html editing program for >> students to use in a K12LTSP environment? >> >> Steve Hargadon >> Hargadon Computer, Inc. >> 916-652-8600, ext. 711 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From bear2bar at netscape.net Wed Sep 22 20:03:25 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 16:03:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Web Publishing Program for Students In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4151DA8D.9070100@netscape.net> Hi Steve, Bluefish, NVu would be good starts. norbert BTW when do you want to have a chat ? steve at hargadon.com wrote: >Can anyone recommend a good web publishing / html editing program for >students to use in a K12LTSP environment? > >Steve Hargadon >Hargadon Computer, Inc. >916-652-8600, ext. 711 > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From dharkness at nsd2.com Wed Sep 22 20:27:23 2004 From: dharkness at nsd2.com (Dale Harkness) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 15:27:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] PAM failure Message-ID: i recently had to reinstall some of the LTSP files that got corrupted. when that was done, i tried to relogon my clients but now i get the following error message: PAM authentication failed. cannot start X server. it does this for any window manager, however logging in as root lets you into the machines. any thoughts? d From rfreidel at computergeex.com Wed Sep 22 20:36:49 2004 From: rfreidel at computergeex.com (Ron Freidel) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 20:36:49 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound on terminals Message-ID: <20040922.uVs.49626500@192.168.10.16> The one time I had sound working I found that fixing permissions did the trick chmod uo+rw /dev/dsp && chmod uo+rw /dev/mixer 'course that was lost after a server reboot so then I placed those commands in rc.local. got that fix off the wiki. http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Technical%3ASound -- Ron Freidel Some or all of my comments should not be taken seriously. http://leroy.homeunix.org From HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG Wed Sep 22 20:55:00 2004 From: HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Burroughs, Henry) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 16:55:00 -0400 Subject: {Spam?} RE: [K12OSN] samba-winbind-ads setup Message-ID: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D78420073F1F@hhpmail.MEDIA.LOCAL> Diggy, Check /etc/nsswitch.conf and make sure winbind is listed on the lines for passwd, shadow, & group. Henry -----Original Message----- From: Dimitri Yioulos [mailto:dyioulos at firstbhph.com] Sent: Wed 9/22/2004 1:43 PM To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Cc: Subject: RE: {Spam?} RE: [K12OSN] samba-winbind-ads setup -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Dimitri Yioulos Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 10:59 AM To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: {Spam?} RE: [K12OSN] samba-winbind-ads setup -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of John Simovic Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 1:47 AM To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] samba-winbind-ads setup Go to http://www.wlug.org.nz/ActiveDirectorySamba for an excellent howto. Worked perfect for me Trying to move ahead with my samba-winbind-ads setup, I followed the directions in the how-to suggested by John to the letter. I checked and rechecked everything to make sure all was right. I found that "net ads join" only worked if I added the "S" switch. Without it, I'd get the error "ads_connect: Transport endpoint is not connected". Doing a "wbinfo -u" returns "Error looking up domain users". What the ... am I doing wrong? Diggy Never mind. I found that when I substituted the IP address of the DC in both smb.conf and krb5.conf, it worked. At least as for as "wbinfo -u" and "wbinfo -g" returning expected results. However, getent passwd does not return the expected results. Any idea as to why this is? Diggy -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I took the how-to suggested by John Simovic, and applied it word-for-word - didn't work. But, moving through the various samba-winbind-ads-related files, I made changes (e.g. used IP address of DC in smb.conf and krb5.conf instead of FQDN; used idmap uid = 16777216-33554431 and idmap gid = 16777216-33554431 [this was the original setup default] rather than idmap uid = 10000-20000 and idmap gid = 10000-20000 in smb.conf) and ... it works! I will cautiously try this setup on a "production test" machine as opposed to my "test test" machine, although this next one will CentOS (RHEL AS 3). And I will add your line to my rc.local. I feel a bit like the boy who cried (not wolf, just cried), and hope I didn't use up all of my goodwill. Many thanks to you and John. Regards, Diggy -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Burroughs, Henry Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 3:55 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: RE: {Spam?} RE: [K12OSN] samba-winbind-ads setup Diggy, Check /etc/nsswitch.conf and make sure winbind is listed on the lines for passwd, shadow, & group. Henry -----Original Message----- From: Dimitri Yioulos [mailto:dyioulos at firstbhph.com] Sent: Wed 9/22/2004 1:43 PM To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Cc: Subject: RE: {Spam?} RE: [K12OSN] samba-winbind-ads setup -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Dimitri Yioulos Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 10:59 AM To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: {Spam?} RE: [K12OSN] samba-winbind-ads setup -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of John Simovic Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 1:47 AM To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] samba-winbind-ads setup Go to http://www.wlug.org.nz/ActiveDirectorySamba for an excellent howto. Worked perfect for me Trying to move ahead with my samba-winbind-ads setup, I followed the directions in the how-to suggested by John to the letter. I checked and rechecked everything to make sure all was right. I found that "net ads join" only worked if I added the "S" switch. Without it, I'd get the error "ads_connect: Transport endpoint is not connected". Doing a "wbinfo -u" returns "Error looking up domain users". What the ... am I doing wrong? Diggy Never mind. I found that when I substituted the IP address of the DC in both smb.conf and krb5.conf, it worked. At least as for as "wbinfo -u" and "wbinfo -g" returning expected results. However, getent passwd does not return the expected results. Any idea as to why this is? Diggy From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Sep 22 22:08:58 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 15:08:58 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] PyKota Installed and Works Great! Message-ID: <4151F7FA.30307@paasda.org> I just spent the last 3 days installing PyKota (my learning curve =) and through my test runs it works great! I set up per-page quotas instead of monatary balance quotas, and it cut me off just like it's supposed to! Haven't fiddled with getting pop-up warnings when near limit...that's next... but I sent the man $50 to support the cause for 2yrs of access to rpm's and the like. It's free if you can figure out how to install from the CVS tree(no clue from me there) installed with the RPM ... found the documentation and worked it out in 3 days with a little help from the listserve! For those with rogue printer users who like to print off all of the latest and greatest game walkthroughs etc etc... here's a good way of limiting them and tracking usage as well, on a per-individual basis! http://www.librelogiciel.com/software/PyKota/Presentation/action_Presentation is the homepage... --Huck From cliebow at downeast.net Wed Sep 22 22:13:56 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 22:13:56 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] samba-winbind-ads setup Message-ID: <200409222218.i8MMIJQ07057@downeast.net> cool--i think terpstra says that samba nedds to be running before winbins starts..so i start those things via rc.local rather than ntsysv.. and no worries--we have all been there...If you get pam_mount to work holler and share your configs chuck > Henry, > > Thanks, and my real bad for posting before I exhausted all my possibilities. > > I took the how-to suggested by John Simovic, and applied it word-for-word - > didn't work. But, moving through the various samba-winbind-ads-related > files, I made changes (e.g. used IP address of DC in smb.conf and krb5.conf > instead of FQDN; used idmap uid = 16777216-33554431 and idmap gid = > 16777216-33554431 [this was the original setup default] rather than idmap > uid = 10000-20000 and idmap gid = 10000-20000 in smb.conf) and ... it works! > I will cautiously try this setup on a "production test" machine as opposed > to my "test test" machine, although this next one will CentOS (RHEL AS 3). > > And I will add your line to my rc.local. > > I feel a bit like the boy who cried (not wolf, just cried), and hope I > didn't use up all of my goodwill. > > Many thanks to you and John. > > Regards, > > Diggy > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of Burroughs, Henry > Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 3:55 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: RE: {Spam?} RE: [K12OSN] samba-winbind-ads setup > > Diggy, > > Check /etc/nsswitch.conf and make sure winbind is listed on the lines for > > passwd, shadow, & group. > > Henry > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dimitri Yioulos [mailto:dyioulos at firstbhph.com] > Sent: Wed 9/22/2004 1:43 PM > To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' > Cc: > Subject: RE: {Spam?} RE: [K12OSN] samba-winbind-ads setup > > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of Dimitri Yioulos > Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 10:59 AM > To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' > Subject: {Spam?} RE: [K12OSN] samba-winbind-ads setup > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of John Simovic > Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 1:47 AM > To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] samba-winbind-ads setup > > Go to http://www.wlug.org.nz/ActiveDirectorySamba for an excellent > howto. Worked perfect for me > > Trying to move ahead with my samba-winbind-ads setup, I followed the > directions in the how-to suggested by John to the letter. I checked and > rechecked everything to make sure all was right. I found that "net ads > join" only worked if I added the "S" switch. Without it, I'd get the error > "ads_connect: Transport endpoint is not connected". Doing a "wbinfo -u" > returns "Error looking up domain users". What the ... am I doing wrong? > > Diggy > > > Never mind. I found that when I substituted the IP address of the DC in > both smb.conf and krb5.conf, it worked. At least as for as "wbinfo -u" and > "wbinfo -g" returning expected results. However, getent passwd does not > return the expected results. Any idea as to why this is? > > Diggy > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From bear2bar at netscape.net Thu Sep 23 00:57:47 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 20:57:47 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Multiple logins UPDATE In-Reply-To: <1095869229.24793.55.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <414ED83C.3060701@netscape.net> <200409211344.16448.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> <415049BA.7000704@netscape.net> <200409220849.52896.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> <41518138.5040405@netscape.net> <1095864975.24793.27.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <41519F05.4030104@netscape.net> <1095869229.24793.55.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <41521F8B.6060900@netscape.net> Hi Les, Well I've tried that script over and over but I get the same result ! Once it runs and I restart dhcpd & xinetd none of the terminals can login. The part for the groups seems to be good but it's of little use if no one can login.... BTW I'm running this on a test machine ... thks norbert les at futuresource.com wrote: >On Wed, 2004-09-22 at 10:49, norbert wrote: > > > >>OK the script works, actually it works to well !!! When added to the >>etc/profile script none of the clients can login , the screen just >>cycles back to the login prompt ! HELP !!!! >> >> > >You still must have some kind of error. If you still have a >root login and a backup of the original /etc/profile, put it >back for the moment. > >Put the piece you want to add in a separate file somewhere, do >a 'chmod +x filename' to it, then after a normal login, try >sh -x filename >to run it. The -x is a crude 'debug' mode of the shell that >shows variable expansion and a few other things line-by-line >as the script executes. Usually that is enough to tell what >is going wrong. > >If you aren't still logged in as root and can't log in again >you will probably have to reboot to get back in. Yell if that >is the case - you have to edit the grub kernel line to add the >word 'single' to bring it up single-user, or boot the install >cd in rescue mode. > >--- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jcphill at psci.net Thu Sep 23 01:19:43 2004 From: jcphill at psci.net (jim phillips) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 20:19:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound on terminals In-Reply-To: <200409221736.i8MHaf12015473@mail44.nsc.no> References: <200409221736.i8MHaf12015473@mail44.nsc.no> Message-ID: <1095902382.2080.2.camel@big.ox.com> On Wed, 2004-09-22 at 12:36, Trond M??hlum wrote: > I did a quick try with sound on my terminals. The terminals are Dell > Optiplex PC's with PCI soundcard. I use K12LTSP 4.0.1, and haven't > changed anything in lts.conf. It looks like sound is enabled with Y and > nasd in the config file. > > Sound does not work. Not in KDE, not in Gnome and not in IceWM. > > When I try to stream webradio through xmms I get output plugin failure. > When I log on to KDE it says /dev/dsp does not exist. I have the same results, but today I found that the sound works for tuxmath and tuxtype. > > Can someone give me a quick how-to on this? And also a method of > confirming that sound actually does work. > > Regards > > Trond M??hlum > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From steve at hargadon.com Thu Sep 23 02:40:37 2004 From: steve at hargadon.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 19:40:37 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Web Publishing Program for Students In-Reply-To: <4151DA8D.9070100@netscape.net> Message-ID: I'm available tomorrow between 8:00 - 9:00 am PST or 3:00 - 4:00 PST. Either good for you? Steve Hargadon Hargadon Computer, Inc. 916-652-8600, ext. 711 -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of norbert Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 1:03 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Web Publishing Program for Students Hi Steve, Bluefish, NVu would be good starts. norbert BTW when do you want to have a chat ? steve at hargadon.com wrote: >Can anyone recommend a good web publishing / html editing program for >students to use in a K12LTSP environment? > >Steve Hargadon >Hargadon Computer, Inc. >916-652-8600, ext. 711 > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From robark at telus.net Thu Sep 23 04:27:44 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 21:27:44 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] yum.conf for 3.1.2 please Message-ID: <415250C0.6020606@telus.net> Can someone please post "/etc/yum.conf" for 3.1.2 (Redhat 9) I want to do "#yum update" for our school server. But I'm just not sure how to setup the conf file to access the k12ltsp repository for 3.1.2. I think it's "ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/yum/9/" but there are many sub directories. Thanks Robert Arkiletian From trondrm at online.no Thu Sep 23 07:31:23 2004 From: trondrm at online.no (Trond Ruud Maehlum) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 09:31:23 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [K12OSN] Sound on terminals Message-ID: <12445340.1095924683806.JavaMail.adm-moff@moffice8.nsc.no> >> I did a quick try with sound on my terminals. The terminals are Dell >> Optiplex PC's with PCI soundcard. I use K12LTSP 4.0.1, and haven't >> changed anything in lts.conf. It looks like sound is enabled with Y and >> nasd in the config file. >> >> Sound does not work. Not in KDE, not in Gnome and not in IceWM. >> >> When I try to stream webradio through xmms I get output plugin failure. >> When I log on to KDE it says /dev/dsp does not exist. >I have the same results, but today I found that the sound works for >tuxmath and tuxtype. Hmm. You're right. This happens here as well. So sound does work for some programs. Now, how to get it working for other programs as welll? I use a few educational programs in wine. Is it possible to play sounds through wine on terminals? Also, I would like to get sound in xmms and mplayer as well. Regards Trond M?hlum From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Thu Sep 23 12:51:05 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 08:51:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound on terminals In-Reply-To: <12445340.1095924683806.JavaMail.adm-moff@moffice8.nsc.no> References: <12445340.1095924683806.JavaMail.adm-moff@moffice8.nsc.no> Message-ID: Hi, In my experience both with 3.12 and before as well as with my current K12LTSP 4.1 sound does work, but not in KDE. It is most likely to work in IceWM as that's where many of us have concentrated our efforts. Don't even bother with sound in KDE...especially in a terminal environment. KDE uses ARTS and K12LTSP uses either esound or nasd. "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, September 23, 2004 at 3:31 AM +0000 wrote: >>> I did a quick try with sound on my terminals. The terminals are Dell >>> Optiplex PC's with PCI soundcard. I use K12LTSP 4.0.1, and haven't >>> changed anything in lts.conf. It looks like sound is enabled with Y and >>> nasd in the config file. >>> >>> Sound does not work. Not in KDE, not in Gnome and not in IceWM. >>> >>> When I try to stream webradio through xmms I get output plugin failure. >>> When I log on to KDE it says /dev/dsp does not exist. > >>I have the same results, but today I found that the sound works for >>tuxmath and tuxtype. > >Hmm. You're right. This happens here as well. So sound does work for some >programs. Now, how to get it working for other programs as welll? > >I use a few educational programs in wine. Is it possible to play sounds >through wine on terminals? > >Also, I would like to get sound in xmms and mplayer as well. > >Regards > >Trond M?hlum David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Thu Sep 23 12:51:05 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 08:51:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound on terminals In-Reply-To: <12445340.1095924683806.JavaMail.adm-moff@moffice8.nsc.no> References: <12445340.1095924683806.JavaMail.adm-moff@moffice8.nsc.no> Message-ID: Hi, In my experience both with 3.12 and before as well as with my current K12LTSP 4.1 sound does work, but not in KDE. It is most likely to work in IceWM as that's where many of us have concentrated our efforts. Don't even bother with sound in KDE...especially in a terminal environment. KDE uses ARTS and K12LTSP uses either esound or nasd. "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, September 23, 2004 at 3:31 AM +0000 wrote: >>> I did a quick try with sound on my terminals. The terminals are Dell >>> Optiplex PC's with PCI soundcard. I use K12LTSP 4.0.1, and haven't >>> changed anything in lts.conf. It looks like sound is enabled with Y and >>> nasd in the config file. >>> >>> Sound does not work. Not in KDE, not in Gnome and not in IceWM. >>> >>> When I try to stream webradio through xmms I get output plugin failure. >>> When I log on to KDE it says /dev/dsp does not exist. > >>I have the same results, but today I found that the sound works for >>tuxmath and tuxtype. > >Hmm. You're right. This happens here as well. So sound does work for some >programs. Now, how to get it working for other programs as welll? > >I use a few educational programs in wine. Is it possible to play sounds >through wine on terminals? > >Also, I would like to get sound in xmms and mplayer as well. > >Regards > >Trond M?hlum David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From petre at maltzen.net Thu Sep 23 13:31:35 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 08:31:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Where is version number of k12ltsp stored? Message-ID: <4152D037.3050009@maltzen.net> I asked this question a few months ago, and Eric politely answered, but I've forgotten the answer and I can't seem to find the old message from him. Where is the version number of k12ltsp stored? I recall that it's somewhere in /opt/ltsp, but I can't seem to grep it out of there. I promise I'll write the answer down this time. Petre From fhkms at adelphia.net Thu Sep 23 14:30:44 2004 From: fhkms at adelphia.net (Will Hatch) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 10:30:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] floppy drive suddenly not working Message-ID: <20040923143045.WTOD404.mta11.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> I managed to fix broken packages that I had by using apt, which gave me back the gnome applets that were dropped when I did a pile of updates. Now, a student brought to my attention that the floppy access utility (mtools) isn't working. It tried to use it, even logged in as root, and it isn't working. It says that the drive is locked, that 'A:' is not supported. Any ideas? Do I need to reboot the server after I fix broken packages? thanks. From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Thu Sep 23 15:35:28 2004 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 08:35:28 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Where is version number of k12ltsp stored? In-Reply-To: <4152D037.3050009@maltzen.net> References: <4152D037.3050009@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1095953728.9795.10.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> On Thu, 2004-09-23 at 06:31, Petre Scheie wrote: > I asked this question a few months ago, and Eric politely answered, but > I've forgotten the answer and I can't seem to find the old message from > him. Where is the version number of k12ltsp stored? I recall that it's > somewhere in /opt/ltsp, but I can't seem to grep it out of there. I > promise I'll write the answer down this time. I do: $ cat /etc/k12ltsp-release -- Dan Young Parkrose School Disttict From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Sep 23 15:45:29 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 08:45:29 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] floppy drive suddenly not working In-Reply-To: <20040923143045.WTOD404.mta11.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> References: <20040923143045.WTOD404.mta11.adelphia.net@mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <4152EF99.9030503@paasda.org> I get that message when usb jump drives work but the floppy doesn't.. check /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.d I believe it is where those files are for floppyd and usb jump drive support is located... --Huck Will Hatch wrote: >I managed to fix broken packages that I had by using apt, which gave me back the gnome applets that were dropped when I did a pile of updates. Now, a student brought to my attention that the floppy access utility (mtools) isn't working. It tried to use it, even logged in as root, and it isn't working. It says that the drive is locked, that 'A:' is not supported. Any ideas? Do I need to reboot the server after I fix broken packages? thanks. > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From dharkness at nsd2.com Thu Sep 23 15:37:23 2004 From: dharkness at nsd2.com (Dale Harkness) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 10:37:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] startx puts display on server Message-ID: when i log my clients in they seem to go thru, but then my screen just takes me back to a logon. when i go to failsafe terminal and run startx, i get the error that display 0 is already in use by the server. if i do a startx -- :1 the computer starts, but the display goes to the servers monitor....odd???!!!???. i am not sure why this is, anyone out there know a reason? thanks. dale From microman at cmosnetworks.com Thu Sep 23 16:04:42 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 12:04:42 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] yum.conf for 3.1.2 please In-Reply-To: <415250C0.6020606@telus.net> References: <415250C0.6020606@telus.net> Message-ID: <4152F41A.7000208@cmosnetworks.com> Robert Arkiletian wrote: > Can someone please post "/etc/yum.conf" for 3.1.2 (Redhat 9) > I want to do "#yum update" for our school server. But I'm just not > sure how to setup the conf file to access the k12ltsp repository for > 3.1.2. I think it's "ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/yum/9/" but there > are many sub directories. > > Thanks > > Robert Arkiletian > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > Here you go. ********* BEGIN YUM.CONF ********** [main] cachedir=/var/cache/yum debuglevel=2 logfile=/var/log/yum.log pkgpolicy=newest distroverpkg=redhat-release [k12ltsp] name=K12TLSP baseurl=ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/yum/$releasever/ [fedora-us] name=Red Hat Linux $releasever -- Fedora US mirror baseurl=http://download.fedora.us/fedora/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/yum/os/ #gpgcheck=1 [fedora-us-updates] name=Red Hat Linux $releasever updates -- Fedora US mirror baseurl=http://download.fedora.us/fedora/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/yum/updates/ #gpgcheck=1 #[fedora-us-stable] #name=Fedora Linux (stable) for Red Hat Linux $releasever -- Fedora US mirror #baseurl=http://download.fedora.us/fedora/redhat/$releasver/$basearch/yum/stable/ #gpgcheck=1 [macromedia-us] name=Macromedia Flash Player for Red Hat Linux $releasever -- US mirror baseurl=http://macromedia.mplug.org/apt/redhat/$releasever/ #gpgcheck=1 #[fedora-us-testing] #name=Fedora Linux (testing) for Red Hat Linux $releasever -- Fedora US mirror #baseurl=http://download.fedora.us/fedora/redhat/$releasever.0/$basearch/yum/testing/ #gpgcheck=1 #[fedora-us-unstable] #name=Fedora Linux (unstable) for Red Hat Linux $releasever -- Fedora US mirror #baseurl=http://download.fedora.us/fedora/redhat/$releasever.0/$basearch/yum/unstable/ #gpgcheck=1 #[fedora-us-k12ltsp] #name=K12LTSP for Red Hat Linux $releasever -- Fedora US mirror #baseurl=http://download.fedora.us/fedora/redhat/$releasever.0/$basearch/yum/k12ltsp/ #gpgcheck=1 ********* END YUM.CONF ********** --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Mozilla Thunderbird spam filtering is new and improved. Check it out! From petre at maltzen.net Thu Sep 23 16:04:46 2004 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 11:04:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] yum.conf for 3.1.2 please In-Reply-To: <415250C0.6020606@telus.net> References: <415250C0.6020606@telus.net> Message-ID: <4152F41E.8090406@maltzen.net> Robert Arkiletian wrote: > Can someone please post "/etc/yum.conf" for 3.1.2 (Redhat 9) > I want to do "#yum update" for our school server. But I'm just not > sure how to setup the conf file to access the k12ltsp repository for > 3.1.2. I think it's "ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/yum/9/" but there > are many sub directories. > > Thanks > > Robert Arkiletian > > Here's mine. Petre # See the yum.conf(5) man page for information the syntax of this file, # including failover setup. [main] cachedir=/var/cache/yum debuglevel=2 logfile=/var/log/yum.log pkgpolicy=newest # Please use nearby mirrors! For a an up to date list of Fedora mirrors, see # . [redhat-os] name=Red Hat Linux $releasever ($basearch) baseurl= http://download.fedora.us/fedora/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/yum/os/ # ftp://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/pub/linux/fedora/fedora/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/yum/os/ # http://mirrors.usc.edu/pub/linux/fedora/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/yum/os/ # http://mirrors.kernel.org/fedora/fedora/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/yum/os/ # http://download.fr.fedora.us/fedora/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/yum/os/ # http://sunsite.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/ftp/pub/Linux/fedora/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/yum/os/ # http://wftp.tu-chemnitz.de/pub/linux/fedora/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/yum/os/ # ftp://ftp.g-int.net/apt/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/yum/os/ # http://fedora.quicknet.nl/fedora/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/yum/os/ # http://ftp.iasi.roedu.net/mirrors/fedora.us/fedora/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/yum/os/ gpgcheck=1 failovermethod=priority [redhat-updates] name=Red Hat Linux $releasever ($basearch) updates baseurl= http://download.fedora.us/fedora/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/yum/updates/ # ftp://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/pub/linux/fedora/fedora/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/yum/updates/ # http://mirrors.usc.edu/pub/linux/fedora/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/yum/updates/ # http://mirrors.kernel.org/fedora/fedora/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/yum/updates/ # http://download.fr.fedora.us/fedora/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/yum/updates/ # http://sunsite.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/ftp/pub/Linux/fedora/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/yum/updates/ # http://wftp.tu-chemnitz.de/pub/linux/fedora/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/yum/updates/ # ftp://ftp.g-int.net/apt/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/yum/updates/ # http://fedora.quicknet.nl/fedora/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/yum/updates/ # http://ftp.iasi.roedu.net/mirrors/fedora.us/fedora/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/yum/updates/ gpgcheck=1 failovermethod=priority [fedora-stable] name=Fedora Linux / stable for Red Hat Linux $releasever ($basearch) baseurl= http://download.fedora.us/fedora/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/yum/stable/ # ftp://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/pub/linux/fedora/fedora/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/yum/stable/ # http://mirrors.usc.edu/pub/linux/fedora/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/yum/stable/ # http://mirrors.kernel.org/fedora/fedora/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/yum/stable/ # http://download.fr.fedora.us/fedora/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/yum/stable/ # http://sunsite.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/ftp/pub/Linux/fedora/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/yum/stable/ # http://wftp.tu-chemnitz.de/pub/linux/fedora/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/yum/stable/ # ftp://ftp.g-int.net/apt/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/yum/stable/ # http://fedora.quicknet.nl/fedora/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/yum/stable/ # http://ftp.iasi.roedu.net/mirrors/fedora.us/fedora/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/yum/stable/ gpgcheck=1 failovermethod=priority #[fedora-testing] #name=Fedora Linux / testing for Red Hat Linux $releasever ($basearch) #baseurl= # http://download.fedora.us/fedora/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/yum/testing/ # ftp://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/pub/linux/fedora/fedora/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/yum/testing/ # http://mirrors.usc.edu/pub/linux/fedora/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/yum/testing/ # http://mirrors.kernel.org/fedora/fedora/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/yum/testing/ # http://download.fr.fedora.us/fedora/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/yum/testing/ # http://sunsite.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/ftp/pub/Linux/fedora/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/yum/testing/ # http://wftp.tu-chemnitz.de/pub/linux/fedora/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/yum/testing/ # ftp://ftp.g-int.net/apt/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/yum/testing/ # http://fedora.quicknet.nl/fedora/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/yum/testing/ # http://ftp.iasi.roedu.net/mirrors/fedora.us/fedora/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/yum/testing/ #gpgcheck=1 #failovermethod=priority #[fedora-unstable] #name=Fedora Linux / unstable for Red Hat Linux $releasever ($basearch) #baseurl= # http://download.fedora.us/fedora/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/yum/unstable/ # ftp://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/pub/linux/fedora/fedora/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/yum/unstable/ # http://mirrors.usc.edu/pub/linux/fedora/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/yum/unstable/ # http://mirrors.kernel.org/fedora/fedora/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/yum/unstable/ # http://download.fr.fedora.us/fedora/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/yum/unstable/ # http://sunsite.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/ftp/pub/Linux/fedora/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/yum/unstable/ # http://wftp.tu-chemnitz.de/pub/linux/fedora/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/yum/unstable/ # ftp://ftp.g-int.net/apt/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/yum/unstable/ # http://fedora.quicknet.nl/fedora/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/yum/unstable/ # http://ftp.iasi.roedu.net/mirrors/fedora.us/fedora/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/yum/unstable/ #gpgcheck=1 #failovermethod=priority #[fedora-k12ltsp] #name=K12LTSP for Red Hat Linux $releasever ($basearch) #baseurl= # http://download.fedora.us/fedora/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/yum/k12ltsp/ # ftp://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/pub/linux/fedora/fedora/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/yum/k12ltsp/ # http://mirrors.usc.edu/pub/linux/fedora/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/yum/k12ltsp/ # http://mirrors.kernel.org/fedora/fedora/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/yum/k12ltsp/ # http://download.fr.fedora.us/fedora/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/yum/k12ltsp/ # http://sunsite.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/ftp/pub/Linux/fedora/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/yum/k12ltsp/ # http://wftp.tu-chemnitz.de/pub/linux/fedora/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/yum/k12ltsp/ # ftp://ftp.g-int.net/apt/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/yum/k12ltsp/ # http://fedora.quicknet.nl/fedora/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/yum/k12ltsp/ # http://ftp.iasi.roedu.net/mirrors/fedora.us/fedora/redhat/$releasever/$basearch/yum/k12ltsp/ #gpgcheck=1 #failovermethod=priority [macromedia] name=Macromedia Flash Player for Red Hat Linux $releasever baseurl= http://macromedia.mplug.org/apt/redhat/$releasever/ # http://sluglug.ucsc.edu/macromedia/apt/redhat/$releasever/ # http://ruslug.rutgers.edu/macromedia/apt/redhat/$releasever/ # http://macromedia.rediris.es/apt/redhat/$releasever/ gpgcheck=1 failovermethod=priority From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Sep 23 16:32:12 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 09:32:12 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] send message to specific user(s) with xmessage? Message-ID: <4152FA8C.7080100@paasda.org> Is there a way to use xmessage or some other program to send a message to all or specific terminals? 'wall' will do it to the command-line terminals...and 'write' should be able to do the same as wall..but it doesn't work even though my user has 'mesg' set to yes --Huck From pvdw at criticalcontrol.com Thu Sep 23 16:43:10 2004 From: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com (Peter Van den Wildenbergh) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 10:43:10 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] ShowGnomeChooserSession=false in gdm.conf NO impact ? Message-ID: Hi All : I can't figure out why I still see the "Session" menu item in my gdm login screen. In the [greeter] section of gdm.conf I stated ShowGnomeFailsafeSession=false ShowXtermFailsafeSession=false ShowGnomeChooserSession=false This disables the failsafe stuff but still gave me KDE, iceWM, GNOME as options... in the Session menu option... which I think should not be there... I managed to get rid of ICE and 'Reset your desktop' by removing IceWM.desktop and Reset.desktop from etc/X11/dm/Sessions Left over the Session menu itself GNOME Default System Session KDE I started with this after I could find a way in the graphical gdm-config to get rid of the Session menu. Anybody out there that can help with this? Thanks Peter From jam at mcquil.com Thu Sep 23 16:52:17 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 12:52:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] startx puts display on server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dale, Even if you go to failsafe, you are still running a session on the server. AND, you are already running X. So: 1) No need to run 'startx', as X is already running. 2) typing 'startx' in a failsafe session is going to try to launch X on the server, because that is where you are running it. I think your real problem is in the desktop environment that you have set for default. if you dont choose 'failsafe', which disp environment is it trying to launch? Choices could be Gnome, KDE or Icewm. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Thu, 23 Sep 2004, Dale Harkness wrote: > when i log my clients in they seem to go thru, but then my screen just > takes me back to a logon. when i go to failsafe terminal and run > startx, i get the error that display 0 is already in use by the > server. if i do a startx -- :1 the computer starts, but the display > goes to the servers monitor....odd???!!!???. i am not sure why this > is, anyone out there know a reason? thanks. > > dale > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dharkness at nsd2.com Thu Sep 23 17:13:22 2004 From: dharkness at nsd2.com (Dale Harkness) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 12:13:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] startx puts display on server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41530432.5020703@nsd2.com> Jim McQuillan wrote: >Dale, > >Even if you go to failsafe, you are still running a session on the >server. > >AND, you are already running X. > >So: > >1) No need to run 'startx', as X is already running. > >2) typing 'startx' in a failsafe session is going to try to > launch X on the server, because that is where you are > running it. > > >I think your real problem is in the desktop environment that you have >set for default. if you dont choose 'failsafe', which disp environment >is it trying to launch? Choices could be Gnome, KDE or Icewm. > >Jim McQuillan >jam at Ltsp.org > > > >On Thu, 23 Sep 2004, Dale Harkness wrote: > > > >>when i log my clients in they seem to go thru, but then my screen just >>takes me back to a logon. when i go to failsafe terminal and run >>startx, i get the error that display 0 is already in use by the >>server. if i do a startx -- :1 the computer starts, but the display >>goes to the servers monitor....odd???!!!???. i am not sure why this >>is, anyone out there know a reason? thanks. >> >> > > > > >>dale >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > When i load my machines, by default, they are supposed to go to Gnome, however when i do that the screen flickers a few times, and then takes you back to the logon screen. no errors or anything. the only logon that works is failsafe. you can logon to the machines as root and it logons ok, but any other user it just flickers and takes you back. why is that? dale From jam at mcquil.com Thu Sep 23 17:22:17 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 13:22:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] startx puts display on server In-Reply-To: <41530432.5020703@nsd2.com> References: <41530432.5020703@nsd2.com> Message-ID: Dale, Is Gnome installed ? Does it work at the console ? I've seen others have trouble loading gnome, but I don't know what the problem was in those cases. Hopefully, someone will step up and give a glue. Jim. On Thu, 23 Sep 2004, Dale Harkness wrote: > Jim McQuillan wrote: > > > Dale, > > > > Even if you go to failsafe, you are still running a session on the > > server. > > > > AND, you are already running X. > > > > So: > > > > 1) No need to run 'startx', as X is already running. > > > > 2) typing 'startx' in a failsafe session is going to try to > > launch X on the server, because that is where you are > > running it. > > > > > > I think your real problem is in the desktop environment that you have > > set for default. if you dont choose 'failsafe', which disp environment > > is it trying to launch? Choices could be Gnome, KDE or Icewm. > > > > Jim McQuillan > > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > > > > > On Thu, 23 Sep 2004, Dale Harkness wrote: > > > > > > > when i log my clients in they seem to go thru, but then my screen just > > > takes me back to a logon. when i go to failsafe terminal and run > > > startx, i get the error that display 0 is already in use by the > > > server. if i do a startx -- :1 the computer starts, but the display > > > goes to the servers monitor....odd???!!!???. i am not sure why this > > > is, anyone out there know a reason? thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > dale > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > When i load my machines, by default, they are supposed to go to Gnome, however > when i do that the screen flickers a few times, and then takes you back to the > logon screen. no errors or anything. the only logon that works is failsafe. > you can logon to the machines as root and it logons ok, but any other user it > just flickers and takes you back. why is that? > > dale > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From pvdw at criticalcontrol.com Thu Sep 23 17:21:56 2004 From: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com (Peter Van den Wildenbergh) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 11:21:56 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] SOLVED ShowGnomeChooserSession=false Message-ID: Looks like the "ShowGnomeChooserSession=false" is no longer in use. Now here is what I have done. cp /usr/share/xsession/icewm.desktop /etc/X11/dm/Sessions/ also for kde.desktop reset.desktop cd /etc/X11/dm/Sessions/ vi-ed into those 3 files and added a line : Hidden=false gdm-restart Done From the gdm doc : The remaining configuration is done by dropping scripts in the subdirectories of the /gdm/ folder or dropping .desktop-style files in /etc/X11/sessions/. The latter is also read by KDM for common configuration. Next the directory /gdm/BuiltInSessions/ is read for GDM specific built in sessions (KDM hardcodes these at time of this writing). Also the default setup will also read /xsessions/ (which should be /usr/share/xsessions/ if you really wish to cooperate with KDM) where desktop packages can install their session files. The directories under the /etc should be reserved for configuration. This approach makes it easy for package management systems to install window managers and different session types without requiring the sysadmin to edit files. See the SessionDesktopDir configuration key for changing the paths. It used to be that GDM stored its built in sessions in /dm/Sessions/ but this is now deprecated as of 2.5.90.0. Note that prior to version 2.4.4.2 only the /dm/Sessions/ was being read. A session can be disabled (if it was installed in /usr/share/xsessions/) by adding an identically named .desktop to one of the directories earlier in the path (likely /etc/X11/sessions) and using Hidden=true in that file. Comments : /etc/X11/sessions doesn't exist I used the 'deprecated' /etc/X11/dm/Sessions Peter -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Thu, 23 Sep 2004, Dale Harkness wrote: > when i log my clients in they seem to go thru, but then my screen just > takes me back to a logon. when i go to failsafe terminal and run > startx, i get the error that display 0 is already in use by the > server. if i do a startx -- :1 the computer starts, but the display > goes to the servers monitor....odd???!!!???. i am not sure why this > is, anyone out there know a reason? thanks. > > dale > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > When i load my machines, by default, they are supposed to go to Gnome, however when i do that the screen flickers a few times, and then takes you back to the logon screen. no errors or anything. the only logon that works is failsafe. you can logon to the machines as root and it logons ok, but any other user it just flickers and takes you back. also when i logon to the server directly i can logon as any user and it logs into their profile just fine. why is that? dale -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3383 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Sep 23 17:48:00 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 12:48:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] startx puts display on server In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <004a01c4a195$779a81b0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > When i load my machines, by default, they are supposed to go > to Gnome, however when i do that the screen flickers a few > times, and then takes you back to the logon screen. no > errors or anything. the only logon that works is failsafe. > you can logon to the machines as root and it logons ok, but > any other user it just flickers and takes you back. also > when i logon to the server directly i can logon as any user > and it logs into their profile just fine. why is that? Call me crazy but I would try to remove the autologin stuff and see if things work then. At least you could narrow down the problem to Gnome or something with the Autologin. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.766 / Virus Database: 513 - Release Date: 9/17/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dharkness at nsd2.com Thu Sep 23 17:39:13 2004 From: dharkness at nsd2.com (Dale Harkness) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 12:39:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] startx puts display on server Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: Jim Kronebusch [mailto:jim at winonacotter.org] Sent: Thu 9/23/2004 12:48 PM To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Cc: Subject: RE: [K12OSN] startx puts display on server > When i load my machines, by default, they are supposed to go > to Gnome, however when i do that the screen flickers a few > times, and then takes you back to the logon screen. no > errors or anything. the only logon that works is failsafe. > you can logon to the machines as root and it logons ok, but > any other user it just flickers and takes you back. also > when i logon to the server directly i can logon as any user > and it logs into their profile just fine. why is that? Call me crazy but I would try to remove the autologin stuff and see if things work then. At least you could narrow down the problem to Gnome or something with the Autologin. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.766 / Virus Database: 513 - Release Date: 9/17/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see how do i remove the autologin stuff? dale -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3243 bytes Desc: not available URL: From linuxsys at davisny.edu Thu Sep 23 17:58:17 2004 From: linuxsys at davisny.edu (Calvin Park) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 13:58:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] send message to specific user(s) with xmessage? In-Reply-To: <4152FA8C.7080100@paasda.org> References: <4152FA8C.7080100@paasda.org> Message-ID: <1095962296.26704.14.camel@localhost> We found a solution to this problem for our needs. Our Computer Center closes at 10:00PM every night (at a College here) and so we wanted to broadcast messages to all terminals at 9:45, 9:55, and 10:00 letting users know that the lab would be closing. After a few hours in the LTSP and KDE irc channels we found that the command echo Your Message Here | wall works quite well. It will broadcast a message to all terminals...and as near as I've been able to figure KDE listens for echo with | wall and broadcasts the message to all users (even if they are in a GUI instead of the command line) using kwrited So, This solution may not work at all if you're using GNOME. But it has been a great help to us. Also, using the write command from a terminal window has allowed our computer center techs to warn particular users. Same thing, set mesg to yes, use the write command to a specific user type in your message and it will pop up in kwrited on their screen. For instance: write jdoe Hey man...how's it going? ctrl+c Very handy. Again, I don't know if this will work with GNOME. Hope this all made sense. Let me know if it didn't. -Calvin On Thu, 2004-09-23 at 12:32, Huck wrote: > Is there a way to use xmessage or some other program to send a message > to all or specific terminals? > > 'wall' will do it to the command-line terminals...and 'write' should be > able to do the same as wall..but it doesn't work > even though my user has 'mesg' set to yes > > --Huck > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Sep 23 18:33:16 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 11:33:16 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] send message to specific user(s) with xmessage? In-Reply-To: <1095962296.26704.14.camel@localhost> References: <4152FA8C.7080100@paasda.org> <1095962296.26704.14.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <415316EC.1050003@paasda.org> apparently this only works with KDE...and my need for bandwidth is such that I need to use ICEWM... if I could find packages for python-osd and relavent dependancies I could solve the issue another way... but so far no luck with that either =) K12LTSP 4.1.0 is my distro --Huck Calvin Park wrote: >We found a solution to this problem for our needs. Our Computer Center >closes at 10:00PM every night (at a College here) and so we wanted to >broadcast messages to all terminals at 9:45, 9:55, and 10:00 letting >users know that the lab would be closing. After a few hours in the LTSP >and KDE irc channels we found that the command > >echo Your Message Here | wall > >works quite well. It will broadcast a message to all terminals...and as >near as I've been able to figure KDE listens for echo with | wall and >broadcasts the message to all users (even if they are in a GUI instead >of the command line) using kwrited > >So, This solution may not work at all if you're using GNOME. But it has >been a great help to us. Also, using the write command from a terminal >window has allowed our computer center techs to warn particular users. >Same thing, set mesg to yes, use the write command to a specific user >type in your message and it will pop up in kwrited on their screen. For >instance: > >write jdoe >Hey man...how's it going? >ctrl+c > >Very handy. Again, I don't know if this will work with GNOME. > >Hope this all made sense. Let me know if it didn't. > >-Calvin > >On Thu, 2004-09-23 at 12:32, Huck wrote: > > >>Is there a way to use xmessage or some other program to send a message >>to all or specific terminals? >> >>'wall' will do it to the command-line terminals...and 'write' should be >>able to do the same as wall..but it doesn't work >>even though my user has 'mesg' set to yes >> >>--Huck >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From henryhartley at westat.com Thu Sep 23 18:35:58 2004 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 14:35:58 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] DVD-/+RW Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0362E020@remail2.westat.com> DVD RW drives have come down in price over the last year or so to the point were I cannot justify not getting one. Are there are any issues I need to be aware of? I see ATAPI / E-IDE drives from Pioneer, Plextor, Sony, and Samsung (and others) for between $56 and $160. Will they all pretty much just work or are there any warnings? Any recommendations of brands to stay away from? Is it worth the extra $ to go with a particular brand? Thanks. -- Henry From pvdw at criticalcontrol.com Thu Sep 23 18:38:37 2004 From: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com (Peter Van den Wildenbergh) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 12:38:37 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] startx puts display on server Message-ID: Dale : Failing to log in (without msg) and redisplaying the login screen is ... Seen that one before when you use pam and auth agaist NDS for example. Usually ID/PW are correct! but actions taken by pam after the login like auto creating /home/dir fail and that causes a login fail without msg on the screen but... Check /var/log/messages and /var/log/secure on the server with the commands tail -f /var/log/messages tail -f /var/log/secure and see what scrolls by when you log in on one of the clients. If you see anything, post it on the list, and I will take a look at it. Pete -----Original Message----- From: Jim Kronebusch [mailto:jim at winonacotter.org] Sent: Thu 9/23/2004 11:48 AM To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Cc: Subject: RE: [K12OSN] startx puts display on server > When i load my machines, by default, they are supposed to go > to Gnome, however when i do that the screen flickers a few > times, and then takes you back to the logon screen. no > errors or anything. the only logon that works is failsafe. > you can logon to the machines as root and it logons ok, but > any other user it just flickers and takes you back. also > when i logon to the server directly i can logon as any user > and it logs into their profile just fine. why is that? Call me crazy but I would try to remove the autologin stuff and see if things work then. At least you could narrow down the problem to Gnome or something with the Autologin. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.766 / Virus Database: 513 - Release Date: 9/17/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 5778 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dharkness at nsd2.com Thu Sep 23 19:37:31 2004 From: dharkness at nsd2.com (Dale Harkness) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 14:37:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] startx puts display on server Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: Peter Van den Wildenbergh on behalf of Peter Van den Wildenbergh Sent: Thu 9/23/2004 1:38 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Cc: Subject: RE: [K12OSN] startx puts display on server Dale : Failing to log in (without msg) and redisplaying the login screen is ... Seen that one before when you use pam and auth agaist NDS for example. Usually ID/PW are correct! but actions taken by pam after the login like auto creating /home/dir fail and that causes a login fail without msg on the screen but... Check /var/log/messages and /var/log/secure on the server with the commands tail -f /var/log/messages tail -f /var/log/secure and see what scrolls by when you log in on one of the clients. If you see anything, post it on the list, and I will take a look at it. Pete -----Original Message----- From: Jim Kronebusch [mailto:jim at winonacotter.org] Sent: Thu 9/23/2004 11:48 AM To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Cc: Subject: RE: [K12OSN] startx puts display on server > When i load my machines, by default, they are supposed to go > to Gnome, however when i do that the screen flickers a few > times, and then takes you back to the logon screen. no > errors or anything. the only logon that works is failsafe. > you can logon to the machines as root and it logons ok, but > any other user it just flickers and takes you back. also > when i logon to the server directly i can logon as any user > and it logs into their profile just fine. why is that? Call me crazy but I would try to remove the autologin stuff and see if things work then. At least you could narrow down the problem to Gnome or something with the Autologin. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.766 / Virus Database: 513 - Release Date: 9/17/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see can you believe that the problem is now fixed. it ended up being that i had removed the two sound files in the LTSP list in the Red Hat Package Manager. there is a sound server and sound clients, i removed them for troubleshooting purposes of another problem. after i got my other problem fixed i did not put them back on, and in looking in a /home/$username/.Xsession-errors file i found that they could not locate /lib/libsoundoss.so.1, so i reinstalled sound, rebooted and they work fine now. go figure that sound had that much bearing on the logon. anyways, thanks for everyones help. hope this helps anyone else who may wish to remove those files in the future....i wouldn't do it. thanks. dale -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 4175 bytes Desc: not available URL: From edwardsj at leonardisd.net Thu Sep 23 19:55:25 2004 From: edwardsj at leonardisd.net (Jerome Edwards) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 14:55:25 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Desktop Wallpaper Message-ID: <3708.207.235.220.140.1095969325.squirrel@_default_> Does anyone know how to prevent students (users) from changing their desktop wallpaper? If so, please explain. Thanks, Jerome Edwards Leonard ISD From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Sep 23 20:33:09 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 15:33:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] startx puts display on server In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <006a01c4a1ac$8a2c1c50$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > how do i remove the autologin stuff? Maybe I misunderstood your explanation. From what I read it sounded like your clients just log right into the Gnome desktop without hitting the logon screen. So I figured you must have added something to do that. But now after rereading you must have meant that Gnome is the default when logging in from the login screen and after you log in that it reverts back to the login screen again. So just scratch my suggestion :-) Because even if it did automatically login, I would have no idea how to fix it. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.766 / Virus Database: 513 - Release Date: 9/17/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From john at coronet.co.uk Thu Sep 23 20:51:26 2004 From: john at coronet.co.uk (John Ingleby) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 21:51:26 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] CD- / +RW In-Reply-To: <20040923194727.DBE9D7340C@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040923194727.DBE9D7340C@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1095972686.16551.36.camel@zeus.house.coronet.net> Henry, I installed 2 Pioneer DVR-106D DVD-RW about 18 months ago, and after reading through http://fy.chalmers.se/~appro/linux/DVD+RW/ I set them up with a cron job to do weekly backups, which they've done reliably ever since. I believe the Pioneers can be upgraded to DVD+RW and I've often wondered whether that would be easier. Let's see what others say... John Ingleby ************ > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 14:35:58 -0400 > From: Henry Hartley > Subject: [K12OSN] DVD-/+RW > To: "'K12OSN at redhat.com'" > Message-ID: > <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0362E020 at remail2.westat.com> > Content-Type: text/plain > > > DVD RW drives have come down in price over the last year or so to the point > were I cannot justify not getting one. Are there are any issues I need to > be aware of? I see ATAPI / E-IDE drives from Pioneer, Plextor, Sony, and > Samsung (and others) for between $56 and $160. Will they all pretty much > just work or are there any warnings? Any recommendations of brands to stay > away from? Is it worth the extra $ to go with a particular brand? Thanks. From jcphill at psci.net Thu Sep 23 23:42:03 2004 From: jcphill at psci.net (jim phillips) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 18:42:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound on terminals In-Reply-To: <12445340.1095924683806.JavaMail.adm-moff@moffice8.nsc.no> References: <12445340.1095924683806.JavaMail.adm-moff@moffice8.nsc.no> Message-ID: <1095982922.8182.14.camel@big.ox.com> On Thu, 2004-09-23 at 02:31, Trond Ruud Maehlum wrote: > >> I did a quick try with sound on my terminals. The terminals are Dell > >> Optiplex PC's with PCI soundcard. I use K12LTSP 4.0.1, and haven't > >> changed anything in lts.conf. It looks like sound is enabled with Y and > >> nasd in the config file. > >> > >> Sound does not work. Not in KDE, not in Gnome and not in IceWM. > >> > >> When I try to stream webradio through xmms I get output plugin failure. > >> When I log on to KDE it says /dev/dsp does not exist. > > >I have the same results, but today I found that the sound works for > >tuxmath and tuxtype. > > Hmm. You're right. This happens here as well. So sound does work for some programs. Now, how to get it working for other programs as welll? > > I use a few educational programs in wine. Is it possible to play sounds through wine on terminals? Yes! I was able to run rosetta stone (language tutor) via wine on Mandrake. I connected to the Mandrake box from a k12ltsp client. At that time the sound worked on th client. I would like to do more with rosetta stone but must first make the sound to work on k12ltsp 4. > > Also, I would like to get sound in xmms and mplayer as well. > > Regards > > Trond M??hlum > > ______________________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From cliebow at downeast.net Fri Sep 24 00:46:26 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 00:46:26 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Sound on terminals Message-ID: <200409240050.i8O0ofF10260@downeast.net> i lost your icewm fix..still have it?? chuck > Hi, > > In my experience both with 3.12 and before as well as with my current > K12LTSP 4.1 sound does work, but not in KDE. It is most likely to work in > IceWM as that's where many of us have concentrated our efforts. Don't > even bother with sound in KDE...especially in a terminal environment. KDE > uses ARTS and K12LTSP uses either esound or nasd. > > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Thursday, September 23, 2004 at 3:31 AM +0000 wrote: > >>> I did a quick try with sound on my terminals. The terminals are Dell > >>> Optiplex PC's with PCI soundcard. I use K12LTSP 4.0.1, and haven't > >>> changed anything in lts.conf. It looks like sound is enabled with Y and > >>> nasd in the config file. > >>> > >>> Sound does not work. Not in KDE, not in Gnome and not in IceWM. > >>> > >>> When I try to stream webradio through xmms I get output plugin failure. > >>> When I log on to KDE it says /dev/dsp does not exist. > > > >>I have the same results, but today I found that the sound works for > >>tuxmath and tuxtype. > > > >Hmm. You're right. This happens here as well. So sound does work for some > >programs. Now, how to get it working for other programs as welll? > > > >I use a few educational programs in wine. Is it possible to play sounds > >through wine on terminals? > > > >Also, I would like to get sound in xmms and mplayer as well. > > > >Regards > > > >Trond M?hlum > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From ddaniels at magic.fr Fri Sep 24 02:10:03 2004 From: ddaniels at magic.fr (dgd) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 19:10:03 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] How do i logout users ? In-Reply-To: <41485621.4030203@coll-outao.qc.ca> References: <41470F58.5060008@coll-outao.qc.ca> <4147118F.7000605@criticalcontrol.com> <41485621.4030203@coll-outao.qc.ca> Message-ID: <415381FB.3080402@magic.fr> I run into this problem often... if you find a command that kills errant user processes I'd appreciate it if you pass it on... I tried a combo of who and ps and kill but didn't get far. I too rebooted. Furthermore, webmin had trouble locating the users processes though they showed up in who. v. FC1 best Dennis Guy Lessard wrote: > Very strange, with the below commands, there is no processes linked to > these users sessions. :-\ > I will just reboot the server, that should clear these two sessions > and i will monitor more closely what is going on. > Thank Pete. > > > ------------------------------ > From man ps : > -u select by effective user ID (supports names) > > U select processes for specified users > > example > ps -U username > > or > > ps aux | grep username > > Pete > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Sep 24 04:37:28 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 00:37:28 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] How do i logout users ? In-Reply-To: <41470F58.5060008@coll-outao.qc.ca> References: <41470F58.5060008@coll-outao.qc.ca> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 at 11:33 AM +0000 wrote: >I have a k12ltsp V3.1.1 server with Novell authentication. >When i run top, it says i have 5 users still running and who says two of >them are students (the other three is root). All terminals are properly >shut down. >How do i logoff these sessions? I use TeacherTool. If it's not already installed (it's part of K12LTSP) you can install via yum or apt apt-get teachertool install It's a GUI that shows who's logged in....allows you to kill processes and logout one or many users....you can even launch programs for users....very cool. I used to use it a lot in 3.12 and now it works fantastic in 4.1 as well. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Sep 24 04:37:28 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 00:37:28 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] How do i logout users ? In-Reply-To: <41470F58.5060008@coll-outao.qc.ca> References: <41470F58.5060008@coll-outao.qc.ca> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 at 11:33 AM +0000 wrote: >I have a k12ltsp V3.1.1 server with Novell authentication. >When i run top, it says i have 5 users still running and who says two of >them are students (the other three is root). All terminals are properly >shut down. >How do i logoff these sessions? I use TeacherTool. If it's not already installed (it's part of K12LTSP) you can install via yum or apt apt-get teachertool install It's a GUI that shows who's logged in....allows you to kill processes and logout one or many users....you can even launch programs for users....very cool. I used to use it a lot in 3.12 and now it works fantastic in 4.1 as well. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com Fri Sep 24 07:29:08 2004 From: wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com (Wilson) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 21:29:08 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] How do i logout users ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200409240729.i8O7THkM024534@ms-smtp-01-eri0.socal.rr.com> "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 at 11:33 AM +0000 wrote: >I have a k12ltsp V3.1.1 server with Novell authentication. >When i run top, it says i have 5 users still running and who says two of >them are students (the other three is root). All terminals are properly >shut down. >How do i logoff these sessions? >>I use TeacherTool. If it's not already installed (it's part of K12LTSP) >>you can install via yum or apt apt-get teachertool install It's a GUI >>that shows who's logged in....allows you to kill processes and logout one >>or many users....you can even launch programs for users....very cool. I >>used to use it a lot in 3.12 and now it works fantastic in 4.1 as well. I tried "apt-get teachertool install" on my Redhat 9 box that has a older version of LTSP on there and apt-get couldn't find teachertool. Is teachertool the correct name of the program? Wilson From cliebow at downeast.net Fri Sep 24 10:32:54 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 10:32:54 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] How do i logout users ? Message-ID: <200409241037.i8OAb6d10970@downeast.net> david you have to try Teach2.py with runspy butoon chris fixed for me in 4.1..cause now i can highlight a name and bring up a desktop image of the ws..chuck > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Tuesday, September 14, 2004 at 11:33 AM +0000 wrote: > >I have a k12ltsp V3.1.1 server with Novell authentication. > >When i run top, it says i have 5 users still running and who says two of > >them are students (the other three is root). All terminals are properly > >shut down. > >How do i logoff these sessions? > > I use TeacherTool. If it's not already installed (it's part of K12LTSP) > you can install via yum or apt apt-get teachertool install It's a GUI > that shows who's logged in....allows you to kill processes and logout one > or many users....you can even launch programs for users....very cool. I > used to use it a lot in 3.12 and now it works fantastic in 4.1 as well. > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From gumprechtm at msln.net Fri Sep 24 11:03:06 2004 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 07:03:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] How do i logout users ? In-Reply-To: <200409241037.i8OAb6d10970@downeast.net> References: <200409241037.i8OAb6d10970@downeast.net> Message-ID: <4153FEEA.5060504@msln.net> cliebow at downeast.net wrote: >david you have to try Teach2.py with runspy butoon chris fixed for me in >4.1..cause now i can highlight a name and bring up a desktop image of the >ws..chuck > Will it work in 4.0.1? -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD#3 Unity, Maine 04988 Gumprechtm at msln.net From cliebow at downeast.net Fri Sep 24 11:07:40 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 11:07:40 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] How do i logout users ? Message-ID: <200409241111.i8OBBqd14498@downeast.net> yes..depends on local_apps=y and disable_access_control in default section of lts.conf so ssh works on the clients change in /opt/ltsp--> the /etc/passwd file so that root has /bin/bash rtather than /bin/false..the create an /etc/shadow file and plunk in it an account from your server /etc/shadow with a known passwd and change the user to root plunk my x11vncnew into /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/bin plunkk Teach2.py maybe in roots homedir run python Teach2.py...highlight a user hit run hit runspy.. this is my own kludge and > may have security implications...we are working on an absolutely secure way to do the same thing..chuck > > cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > > >david you have to try Teach2.py with runspy butoon chris fixed for me in >ew in >4.1..cause now i can highlight a name and bring up a desktop image of the > >ws..chuck > > > Will it work in 4.0.1? > > -- > Mark Gumprecht > Data Systems Specialist > MSAD#3 > Unity, Maine 04988 > Gumprechtm at msln.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From cliebow at downeast.net Fri Sep 24 11:09:34 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 11:09:34 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] How do i logout users ? Message-ID: <200409241113.i8OBDkd14734@downeast.net> btw you will be prompted for roots client pw..chuck> > > cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > > >david you have to try Teach2.py with runspy butoon chris fixed for me in > >4.1..cause now i can highlight a name and bring up a desktop image of the > >ws..chuck > > > Will it work in 4.0.1? > > -- > Mark Gumprecht > Data Systems Specialist > MSAD#3 > Unity, Maine 04988 > Gumprechtm at msln.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From cliebow at downeast.net Fri Sep 24 11:11:03 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 11:11:03 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] How do i logout users ? Message-ID: <200409241115.i8OBFFd14884@downeast.net> btbtw:you coming down to ellsworth in November to meet the brain trust??? btw you will be prompted for roots client pw..chuck> > > cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > > >david you have to try Teach2.py with runspy butoon chris fixed for me in > >4.1..cause now i can highlight a name and bring up a desktop image of the > >ws..chuck > > > Will it work in 4.0.1? > > -- > Mark Gumprecht > Data Systems Specialist oming down to ellsworth to meet the braintrust?? > MSAD#3 > Unity, Maine 04988 > Gumprechtm at msln.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From baci at harborcityschool.org Fri Sep 24 12:12:49 2004 From: baci at harborcityschool.org (Chris Bacigalupo) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 07:12:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound on terminals In-Reply-To: <1095982922.8182.14.camel@big.ox.com> Message-ID: <000801c4a22f$cf08f590$b605000a@ebaci> Rosetta Stone is flash based if I'm not mistaken, I'm guessing that?s why sound works. >>baci -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of jim phillips Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 6:42 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Sound on terminals On Thu, 2004-09-23 at 02:31, Trond Ruud Maehlum wrote: > >> I did a quick try with sound on my terminals. The terminals are > >> Dell Optiplex PC's with PCI soundcard. I use K12LTSP 4.0.1, and > >> haven't changed anything in lts.conf. It looks like sound is > >> enabled with Y and nasd in the config file. > >> > >> Sound does not work. Not in KDE, not in Gnome and not in IceWM. > >> > >> When I try to stream webradio through xmms I get output plugin > >> failure. When I log on to KDE it says /dev/dsp does not exist. > > >I have the same results, but today I found that the sound works for > >tuxmath and tuxtype. > > Hmm. You're right. This happens here as well. So sound does work for > some programs. Now, how to get it working for other programs as > welll? > > I use a few educational programs in wine. Is it possible to play > sounds through wine on terminals? Yes! I was able to run rosetta stone (language tutor) via wine on Mandrake. I connected to the Mandrake box from a k12ltsp client. At that time the sound worked on th client. I would like to do more with rosetta stone but must first make the sound to work on k12ltsp 4. > > Also, I would like to get sound in xmms and mplayer as well. > > Regards > > Trond M??hlum > > ______________________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dahopkins at comcast.net Fri Sep 24 14:30:27 2004 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 14:30:27 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Screen Magnifier for Gnome? Message-ID: <092420041430.27320.41542F82000DDD8700006AB822007621949C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> We have a student who is visually impaired. Our counselor ordered ZoomText for our Windows systems, but I am at a loss for what to use on the Linux thin clients. I have tried quax, which works, but only allows a very small section of the screen (less than one word in some cases). Not a good combination. I tried kmag, which failed to compile, and dynamag which was even worse. Any suggestions? We will be purchasing a large monitor that will be set to a lower resolution, but is there a software solution? Sincerely, Dave Hopkins Newark Charter School Newark Delaware 19713 From ckjohnson at gwi.net Fri Sep 24 14:48:20 2004 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 10:48:20 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Screen Magnifier for Gnome? In-Reply-To: <092420041430.27320.41542F82000DDD8700006AB822007621949C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> References: <092420041430.27320.41542F82000DDD8700006AB822007621949C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <415433B4.7000508@gwi.net> dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: >We have a student who is visually impaired. Our counselor ordered ZoomText for our Windows systems, but I am at a loss for what to use on the Linux thin clients. I have tried quax, which works, but only allows a very small section of the screen (less than one word in some cases). Not a good combination. I tried kmag, which failed to compile, and dynamag which was even worse. Any suggestions? We will be purchasing a large monitor that will be set to a lower resolution, but is there a software solution? > >Sincerely, >Dave Hopkins >Newark Charter School >Newark Delaware 19713 > > Check out the gnome menu | Preferences | Accessibility | Assistive Technology Support, and configure to start magnifier at next logon. A note there says it requires the gnopernicus package installed. -- ----------------------------------------------------------- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Fri Sep 24 14:56:00 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 10:56:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Screen Magnifier for Gnome? In-Reply-To: <092420041430.27320.41542F82000DDD8700006AB822007621949C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> References: <092420041430.27320.41542F82000DDD8700006AB822007621949C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <41543580.5060803@snet.net> dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > We have a student who is visually impaired. Our counselor ordered ZoomText for our Windows systems, but I am at a loss for what to use on the Linux thin clients. I have tried quax, which works, but only allows a very small section of the screen (less than one word in some cases). Not a good combination. I tried kmag, which failed to compile, and dynamag which was even worse. Any suggestions? We will be purchasing a large monitor that will be set to a lower resolution, but is there a software solution? > > Sincerely, > Dave Hopkins > Newark Charter School > Newark Delaware 19713 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > See http://www.magnifiers.org/links/Screen_Magnifiers/UNIX_Linux/ The following (with links) are listed: * Puff - Puff is a simple screen magnifier utility for UNIX X/Windows, that with some changes in the code and rebuild the program, also runs on Linux. new (Added: 25-Sep-2004 Hits: 430 Rating: 0 Votes: 0) Rate It * DynaMag - DynaMag is a simple screen magnifier utility for UNIX and Linux included in the UnWindows package. The UnWindows package is a set of utilities to help people with low vision accessing the UNIX operating system. (Added: 22-Sep-1999 Hits: 715 Rating: 8.00 Votes: 1) Rate It * GMag - GMag is an free X magnifier that should be more useful for the visually-impaired than the currently existing alternatives. Main features are: o continuous magnification while you work; o optionally changes the contrast of the image; o run-time configurable (Added: 30-Nov-2000 Hits: 793 Rating: 0 Votes: 0) Rate It * Gnopernicus - Gnopernicus is a project to make the Linux GNome 2 user interface accessible to people with a disability. The Gnopernicus software will include braille, speech and magnification. (Added: 22-Sep-2002 Hits: 387 Rating: 0 Votes: 0) Rate It * KMagnifier - Here you find information and the latest news about KMagnifier, a magnification utility for the Linux K Desktop environment (KDE). (Added: 12-Feb-2002 Hits: 485 Rating: 10.00 Votes: 1) Rate It * KZoom - KZoom is a KDE 2 graphical applications which can be used to enlarge parts of your X Window desktop. It's a very handy tool and various zooming controls along with easy of use make it suitable both for professionals in webdesign and distractive toy for rest of us. KZoom is distributed under the terms of GNU Public License. (Added: 4-Aug-2003 Hits: 208 Rating: 0 Votes: 0) Rate It * Linux Accessibility HOWTO - This is the place to start for visually impaired looking for ways to access the Linux operating system. You find very simple magnification utilities, Text-to-Speech programs, screen readers and ways to enlarge the mouse cursor. programs, that (Added: 23-Sep-2002 Hits: 316 Rating: 0 Votes: 0) Rate It * Quax - Quax is a very small Qt graphical application which can be used to enlarge parts of your X Window desktop. It's mainly targeted at web designers and graphic artists, but it's very easy to use by any other user. Quax home page is located at: http://www.ro.kde.org/quax/. Quax is released under the terms of GNU public license. (Added: 4-Aug-2003 Hits: 117 Rating: 0 Votes: 0) Rate It * Tested: Linux magnifiers - Bas Cancrinus tested the screen magnifier utilities for Linux, that you can find in the UNIX Linux download category (Added: 5-Jan-2001 Hits: 525 Rating: 0 Votes: 0) Rate It * UNIX and Linux Software Toolkit - The UNIX and Linux Software Toolkit from Trace Research & Developement Center is a collection of freeware and shareware utilities that helps sight impaired people accessing the UNIX and Linux operating system. Here you find also information how to get the magnifier utilities Puff and DynaMag run on Linux. (Added: 22-Sep-1999 Hits: 423 Rating: 0 Votes: 0) Rate It -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Sep 24 15:06:51 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 10:06:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Screen Magnifier for Gnome? In-Reply-To: <41543580.5060803@snet.net> Message-ID: <000501c4a248$1f4f1d00$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > The Gnopernicus software will include braille, speech and > magnification. Okay, I am sure I am just uneducated here. But, just when I thought there was no idea worse then braille on an ATM, I see that braille is supported with a projected image! But I am sure there is a valid use here and I am just too narrow minded to see it :-) --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.766 / Virus Database: 513 - Release Date: 9/17/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From david at okgoodwill.org Fri Sep 24 15:09:56 2004 From: david at okgoodwill.org (David H. Barr) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 10:09:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Screen Magnifier for Gnome? Message-ID: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E282119CEC@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> Actually, there are braille peripheral devices for PC's. -dBarr. On Friday, September 24, 2004 10:07 AM, Jim Kronebusch wrote: >> The Gnopernicus software will include braille, speech and >> magnification. > > Okay, I am sure I am just uneducated here. But, just when I thought > there was no idea worse then braille on an ATM, I see that braille is > supported with a projected image! But I am sure there is a valid use > here and I am just too narrow minded to see it :-) > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.766 / Virus Database: 513 - Release Date: 9/17/2004 From accessys at smart.net Fri Sep 24 15:23:07 2004 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 11:23:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Screen Magnifier for Gnome? In-Reply-To: <000501c4a248$1f4f1d00$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000501c4a248$1f4f1d00$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 24 Sep 2004, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > The Gnopernicus software will include braille, speech and > > magnification. > > Okay, I am sure I am just uneducated here. But, just when I thought > there was no idea worse then braille on an ATM, I see that braille is > supported with a projected image! But I am sure there is a valid use > here and I am just too narrow minded to see it :-) what is the problem with braille on an ATM, they do allow visually impaired folks to have an ATM card. and even in drive thru, you can sit in the back seat and use the window behind the driver...... 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In-Reply-To: <200409240729.i8O7THkM024534@ms-smtp-01-eri0.socal.rr.com> References: <200409240729.i8O7THkM024534@ms-smtp-01-eri0.socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <41546161.4060901@paasda.org> try apt-get install teachertool that worked for me =) --Huck Wilson wrote: >"Support list for opensource software in schools." on >Tuesday, September 14, 2004 at 11:33 AM +0000 wrote: > > >>I have a k12ltsp V3.1.1 server with Novell authentication. >>When i run top, it says i have 5 users still running and who says two of >>them are students (the other three is root). All terminals are properly >>shut down. >>How do i logoff these sessions? >> >> > > > >>>I use TeacherTool. If it's not already installed (it's part of K12LTSP) >>>you can install via yum or apt apt-get teachertool install It's a GUI >>>that shows who's logged in....allows you to kill processes and logout one >>>or many users....you can even launch programs for users....very cool. I >>>used to use it a lot in 3.12 and now it works fantastic in 4.1 as well. >>> >>> > >I tried "apt-get teachertool install" on my Redhat 9 box that has a older >version of LTSP on there and apt-get couldn't find teachertool. Is >teachertool the correct name of the program? > > >Wilson > > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From steve at hargadon.com Fri Sep 24 18:39:48 2004 From: steve at hargadon.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 11:39:48 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] How do i logout users ? In-Reply-To: <200409241115.i8OBFFd14884@downeast.net> Message-ID: > > >david you have to try Teach2.py with runspy butoon chris fixed for me > >in 4.1..cause now i can highlight a name and bring up a desktop image > >of the ws..chuck > > > Will it work in 4.0.1? I'm not finding Teach2.py anywhere. Where do you obtain it? _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dahopkins at comcast.net Fri Sep 24 18:42:01 2004 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 18:42:01 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Screen Magnifier for Gnome? Message-ID: <092420041842.3879.41546A790007706200000F2722007354469C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> All, Thanks for the suggestions. I have tried most of the ones listed (at least those that can be downloaded, some links are dead) but so far have not found one that will be the equivalent of the package that was ordered. I haven't gotten gnopernicus to install correctly because of dependencies which I hope to resolve soon. Quax actually comes close to what would be acceptable and a colleague is going to try and hack the package to increase the size of the screen that is shown. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins > dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > > We have a student who is visually impaired. Our counselor ordered ZoomText > for our Windows systems, but I am at a loss for what to use on the Linux thin > clients. I have tried quax, which works, but only allows a very small section > of the screen (less than one word in some cases). Not a good combination. I > tried kmag, which failed to compile, and dynamag which was even worse. Any > suggestions? We will be purchasing a large monitor that will be set to a lower > resolution, but is there a software solution? > > > > Sincerely, > > Dave Hopkins > > Newark Charter School > > Newark Delaware 19713 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > See http://www.magnifiers.org/links/Screen_Magnifiers/UNIX_Linux/ > > The following (with links) are listed: > > * Puff - Puff is a simple screen magnifier utility for UNIX > X/Windows, that with some changes in the code and rebuild the program, > also runs on Linux. new (Added: 25-Sep-2004 Hits: 430 Rating: 0 Votes: > 0) Rate It > > * DynaMag - DynaMag is a simple screen magnifier utility for UNIX > and Linux included in the UnWindows package. The UnWindows package is a > set of utilities to help people with low vision accessing the UNIX > operating system. (Added: 22-Sep-1999 Hits: 715 Rating: 8.00 Votes: 1) > Rate It > > * GMag - GMag is an free X magnifier that should be more useful for > the visually-impaired than the currently existing alternatives. Main > features are: > o continuous magnification while you work; > o optionally changes the contrast of the image; > o run-time configurable > (Added: 30-Nov-2000 Hits: 793 Rating: 0 Votes: 0) Rate It > > * Gnopernicus - Gnopernicus is a project to make the Linux GNome 2 > user interface accessible to people with a disability. > The Gnopernicus software will include braille, speech and > magnification. (Added: 22-Sep-2002 Hits: 387 Rating: 0 Votes: 0) Rate It > > * KMagnifier - Here you find information and the latest news about > KMagnifier, a magnification utility for the Linux K Desktop environment > (KDE). (Added: 12-Feb-2002 Hits: 485 Rating: 10.00 Votes: 1) Rate It > > * KZoom - KZoom is a KDE 2 graphical applications which can be used > to enlarge parts of your X Window desktop. It's a very handy tool and > various zooming controls along with easy of use make it suitable both > for professionals in webdesign and distractive toy for rest of us. KZoom > is distributed under the terms of GNU Public License. (Added: 4-Aug-2003 > Hits: 208 Rating: 0 Votes: 0) Rate It > > * Linux Accessibility HOWTO - This is the place to start for > visually impaired looking for ways to access the Linux operating system. > You find very simple magnification utilities, Text-to-Speech programs, > screen readers and ways to enlarge the mouse cursor. programs, that > (Added: 23-Sep-2002 Hits: 316 Rating: 0 Votes: 0) Rate It > > * Quax - Quax is a very small Qt graphical application which can be > used to enlarge parts of your X Window desktop. It's mainly targeted at > web designers and graphic artists, but it's very easy to use by any > other user. Quax home page is located at: http://www.ro.kde.org/quax/. > Quax is released under the terms of GNU public license. (Added: > 4-Aug-2003 Hits: 117 Rating: 0 Votes: 0) Rate It > > * Tested: Linux magnifiers - Bas Cancrinus tested the screen > magnifier utilities for Linux, that you can find in the UNIX Linux > download category (Added: 5-Jan-2001 Hits: 525 Rating: 0 Votes: 0) Rate It > > * UNIX and Linux Software Toolkit - The UNIX and Linux Software > Toolkit from Trace Research & Developement Center is a collection of > freeware and shareware utilities that helps sight impaired people > accessing the UNIX and Linux operating system. > Here you find also information how to get the magnifier utilities > Puff and DynaMag run on Linux. (Added: 22-Sep-1999 Hits: 423 Rating: 0 > Votes: 0) Rate It > > > > -- > Anthony Baldwin > http://www.School-Library.net > Freedom to Learn! > > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- > GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ > PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? > ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dahopkins at comcast.net Fri Sep 24 19:08:50 2004 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 19:08:50 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] How do i logout users ? Message-ID: <092420041908.8045.415470C2000845B800001F6D22007589429C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> I would love to try it, but apget isn't finding it. What repository should I be looking in? Dave Hopkins > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Tuesday, September 14, 2004 at 11:33 AM +0000 wrote: > >I have a k12ltsp V3.1.1 server with Novell authentication. > >When i run top, it says i have 5 users still running and who says two of > >them are students (the other three is root). All terminals are properly > >shut down. > >How do i logoff these sessions? > > I use TeacherTool. If it's not already installed (it's part of K12LTSP) > you can install via yum or apt apt-get teachertool install It's a GUI > that shows who's logged in....allows you to kill processes and logout one > or many users....you can even launch programs for users....very cool. I > used to use it a lot in 3.12 and now it works fantastic in 4.1 as well. > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com Fri Sep 24 19:33:32 2004 From: wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com (Wilson Chan) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 09:33:32 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] How do i logout users ? Message-ID: > I would love to try it, but apget isn't finding it. What repository should I be looking in? > > Dave Hopkins > I couldn't find it on my older RH 9 box so i think it might only be in the respositories for the newer FC's. I was able to install Teachertool via yum (yum install teachertool) on my FC2 box but i wasn't able to run it. So, I ended up going here to manually download the Python script. http://yhslug.tux.org/TeacherTool.py After you download it from the Term type "python2 teachertool" without the quotes. Make sure to do that in the directory where the TeacherTool.py file is. :) After that im at a loss because the app pops up but im not able to view any of my thinclients. Problem now is in the term window It says "su: user X11 does not exist" and the GUI App only shows x11 at 34959, x11 at 34968, etc... Am I doing something wrong? Thanks! Wilson Wilson From cliebow at downeast.net Fri Sep 24 20:19:06 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 20:19:06 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Screen Magnifier for Gnome? Message-ID: <200409242023.i8OKNFd26992@downeast.net> x11vnc has a -scale option..i use ity to shrink but given you have plenty of ram you should be able to magnify as well..chuck --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From dalen at czexan.net Fri Sep 24 21:59:54 2004 From: dalen at czexan.net (dale) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 16:59:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] k12osn -vs- k12ltsp-list Message-ID: <415498DA.6020508@czexan.net> I noticed k12ltsp-list at https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12ltsp-list Are the k12ltsp specific discussions moving to this list? From rfreidel at computergeex.com Fri Sep 24 22:04:20 2004 From: rfreidel at computergeex.com (Ron Freidel) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 22:04:20 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] k12osn -vs- k12ltsp-list Message-ID: <20040924.a9i.57766100@192.168.10.16> I hope not, did you look at the archives? dale (dalen at czexan.net) wrote: > > I noticed k12ltsp-list at > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12ltsp-list > Are the k12ltsp specific discussions moving to this list? > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Ron Freidel This space intentionally left blank. http://leroy.homeunix.org From dalen at czexan.net Sat Sep 25 01:12:07 2004 From: dalen at czexan.net (dale) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 20:12:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] k12osn -vs- k12ltsp-list In-Reply-To: <20040924.a9i.57766100@192.168.10.16> References: <20040924.a9i.57766100@192.168.10.16> Message-ID: <4154C5E7.6090805@czexan.net> Ron Freidel wrote: > I hope not, did you look at the archives? > > dale (dalen at czexan.net) wrote: > >>I noticed k12ltsp-list at >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12ltsp-list >>Are the k12ltsp specific discussions moving to this list? Ron, I didn't see any discussion in the archives for this list, but I did notice all the spam in the k12ltsp-list archives. From robark at telus.net Sat Sep 25 06:04:12 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 23:04:12 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] switch advice: Netgear or 3com Message-ID: <41550A5C.5080007@telus.net> I'm going to ask my school for a new switch. We are currently running 30 clients off a pair of old HUBS. Our server is a dual Xeon / 4GB / scsi / Gig E NIC but the network is saturated. Constant collisions. I am considering one of these 48 port switches (they have gig e ports for the server ) Netgear FS750T http://netgear.com/products/details/FS750T.php 3com 4250T http://www.3com.com/products/en_US/detail.jsp?tab=features&pathtype=purchase&sku=3C17302-US The 3com is double the price of the Netgear. The 3com has full snmp and the Netgear has browser based managment. Any reason to avoid the Netgear? Any votes (or warnings) for other brands ie. Linksys, D-Link, SMC, Amer.com? A 24 port with a 16 port would work also. Robert Arkiletian From dahopkins at comcast.net Sat Sep 25 14:39:45 2004 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 14:39:45 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] switch advice: Netgear or 3com Message-ID: <092520041439.28157.415583310001B5E400006DFD22007347489C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Robert, I have the prior version of the Netgear 48 port switch (3 in fact), the one without the browser-based management and have not had any issues. (In fact, we have almost identical server hardware, dual Gig E, etc.) Performance is very acceptable. The only caveat is that I can't get sound working consistently, but that is probably just me (using LTSP 3, not 4, K12ltsp 3.1.2, not 4.x) and when it works, it lags the video. With the QOS options on the new switch, plus vlan, I wish I had the new netgear. In over a year's use, we haven't had to deliberately reset the switches ever. For what it is worth, there are some netgear switches on ebay as well. (24 port and 48 port). Sincerely, Dave Hopkins -------------- Original message -------------- > I'm going to ask my school for a new switch. We are currently running 30 > clients off a pair of old HUBS. Our server is a dual Xeon / 4GB / scsi > / Gig E NIC but the network is saturated. Constant collisions. > > I am considering one of these 48 port switches (they have gig e ports > for the server ) > > Netgear FS750T > http://netgear.com/products/details/FS750T.php > > 3com 4250T > http://www.3com.com/products/en_US/detail.jsp?tab=features&pathtype=purchase&sku > =3C17302-US > > The 3com is double the price of the Netgear. The 3com has full snmp and > the Netgear has browser based managment. Any reason to avoid the > Netgear? Any votes (or warnings) for other brands ie. Linksys, D-Link, > SMC, Amer.com? A 24 port with a 16 port would work also. > > Robert Arkiletian > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ssanders at coin.org Sun Sep 26 00:11:43 2004 From: ssanders at coin.org (ssanders at coin.org) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 19:11:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Upgrade woes -- backspace key no longer works In-Reply-To: <40DB23C1.8040601@earthlink.net> References: <40DB23C1.8040601@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1096157503.5968.20.camel@ltsp.bofh> On Thu, 2004-06-24 at 13:56, Rita Gibson wrote: > Hello everyone: School is out and we decided to upgrade to the latest > and greatest. Calvin tells me it is known as 4.1.0 alpha 7 (I think it > is FC2). hi all, similar story here. upgraded from k12osn 3.1.x to the FC2 one. upgrade overall went very well, nice to see the newer default stuff. on all terminals backspace acts like delete key, delete key is unchanged. i know this is 'the unix way' from days of yore, but my users are unimpressed. it seems to be an X issue on the terminals, Ctl-Alt-F1 on the server to a plain console window, and it doesn't do it, nor does X session on the server. dmesg doesn't show anything very errant. any suggestions? TIA -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sun Sep 26 01:21:28 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 21:21:28 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] k12osn -vs- k12ltsp-list In-Reply-To: <415498DA.6020508@czexan.net> References: <415498DA.6020508@czexan.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, September 24, 2004 at 5:59 PM +0000 wrote: >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12ltsp-list Have you read the archives? It's all SPAM David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From rgibson57 at earthlink.net Sun Sep 26 03:06:45 2004 From: rgibson57 at earthlink.net (Rita Gibson) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 21:06:45 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Upgrade woes -- backspace key no longer works In-Reply-To: <1096157503.5968.20.camel@ltsp.bofh> References: <40DB23C1.8040601@earthlink.net> <1096157503.5968.20.camel@ltsp.bofh> Message-ID: <41563245.9010300@earthlink.net> ssanders at coin.org wrote: >On Thu, 2004-06-24 at 13:56, Rita Gibson wrote: > > >>Hello everyone: School is out and we decided to upgrade to the latest >>and greatest. Calvin tells me it is known as 4.1.0 alpha 7 (I think it >>is FC2). >> >> > >hi all, similar story here. upgraded from k12osn 3.1.x to the FC2 one. >upgrade overall went very well, nice to see the newer default stuff. on >all terminals backspace acts like delete key, delete key is unchanged. i >know this is 'the unix way' from days of yore, but my users are >unimpressed. > >it seems to be an X issue on the terminals, Ctl-Alt-F1 on the server to >a plain console window, and it doesn't do it, nor does X session on the >server. dmesg doesn't show anything very errant. any suggestions? > >TIA > > This was fixed, and Calvin fixed it, but I can't remember which file it was. I have emailed him and asked him to refresh my memory, or if he has time, to reply to this on the list. Rita Gibson From lsrpm at mts.net Sun Sep 26 04:18:36 2004 From: lsrpm at mts.net (Liam Marshall) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 23:18:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] CPU or Memory Message-ID: <1096172316.6098.22.camel@server.ltsp> I posted earlier about trying to decide whether to upgrade the memory on the server, or the cpu I had a 3.06 GHz hyperthreading cpu and 2 GB of ram when 30 students would all try and load say, OOwriter, cpu use pegged and memory usage showed 1.9 out of 2 used. It would be real slow, until all where in, then settled down slightly. But web pages and something as silly as tux type would bog the whole system down. I know something had to be done but could not choose. We settled on memory, upgrading to 4 GB. Then I got nervous and ordered a dual cpu board and two Xeon 3.06 cpu's as well. Then I was frustrated yesterday when the server atx case I planned to use had the wrong power supply. the ASUS PC-DL Deluxe motherboard I bought needed a SSI type 24 pin connector, mine was 20 pin. After some frustrating research I learned what the difference was between an SSI 24 pin connector and the power supply I had was, then I bit the bullet and went out and paid 185.00 plus tax for the right power supply. Then today I was frustrated again. After plugging in the power supply and connecting everything, I got nothing but a single loooong beep on power up. No video at all. after two hours of frustration, I called a friend for a fresh perspective. He brought over another duelly system. We tried video card first, known working from his system. Zip. Then we tried his memory. Voila! My 4 GB Kingston memory was defective! Sh&&%t! All that wasted time. Trouble was, my friend only had 2.5 GB of ram for me to try. Everything is functioning great though, and I didn't have trouble with the new hardware. Nics had to be configured, thats all So now, instead of changing two things, cpus and memory, I basically have a dual cpu machine, and 2.5 GB. I plan to try out the system under load with the students on Monday, seeing as how I have no choice. Replacement ram will take at least a week to arrive. By the end of the day on Monday I will know whether doubling the cpu's solved the entire issue. If it does, I will get my money back for the ram and leave it at that. If it helps, but not enough, I will go for the ram to If anyone is interested I will post results Monday night. From caldodge at fpcc.net Sun Sep 26 12:13:34 2004 From: caldodge at fpcc.net (Calvin Dodge) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 06:13:34 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Upgrade woes -- backspace key no longer works In-Reply-To: <41563245.9010300@earthlink.net> References: <40DB23C1.8040601@earthlink.net> <1096157503.5968.20.camel@ltsp.bofh> <41563245.9010300@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4156B26E.4070503@fpcc.net> Rita Gibson wrote: > This was fixed, and Calvin fixed it, but I can't remember which file it > was. I have emailed him and asked him to refresh my memory, or if he has > time, to reply to this on the list. We edited /etc/X11/Xmodmap and uncommented the line "keycode 22 = BackSpace" Calvin -- Calvin Dodge Certified Linux Bigot (tm) http://www.caldodge.fpcc.net From pantz at lqt.ca Sun Sep 26 14:00:37 2004 From: pantz at lqt.ca (Paul Pianta) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 10:00:37 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] CPU or Memory In-Reply-To: <1096172316.6098.22.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1096172316.6098.22.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <4156CB85.2030100@lqt.ca> Liam Marshall wrote: >So now, instead of changing two things, cpus and memory, I basically >have a dual cpu machine, and 2.5 GB. I plan to try out the system under >load with the students on Monday, seeing as how I have no choice. >Replacement ram will take at least a week to arrive. By the end of the >day on Monday I will know whether doubling the cpu's solved the entire >issue. If it does, I will get my money back for the ram and leave it at >that. If it helps, but not enough, I will go for the ram to > >If anyone is interested I will post results Monday night. > > I'm interested! I am also interested in knowing what kind of setup you have network-wise. Do you have: hub/switch? standard switch/Gig-E switch? 10Mbit/100Mbit/1000Mbit cards? Tuxtype is graphics intensive and therefore *very* bandwidth intensive. It is normal that there is a slowdown with lots of clients using tuxtype at the same time ... but I'm still interested in the OO results :) pantz > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > -- Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes ... That way when you do criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes! From aaa at pacifier.com Sun Sep 26 14:41:50 2004 From: aaa at pacifier.com (Duane Wilson) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 07:41:50 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Experience with K12ltsp and Vmware?? Message-ID: <4156D52E.1010907@pacifier.com> Has anyone out there used Vmware with the k12ltsp system? Does it work? Was it difficult to configure? Thanks, Duane Wilson From lsrpm at mts.net Sun Sep 26 16:00:26 2004 From: lsrpm at mts.net (Liam Marshall) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 11:00:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] CPU or Memory In-Reply-To: <4156CB85.2030100@lqt.ca> References: <1096172316.6098.22.camel@server.ltsp> <4156CB85.2030100@lqt.ca> Message-ID: <4156E79A.30706@mts.net> Paul Pianta wrote: > Liam Marshall wrote: > >> So now, instead of changing two things, cpus and memory, I basically >> have a dual cpu machine, and 2.5 GB. I plan to try out the system under >> load with the students on Monday, seeing as how I have no choice. >> Replacement ram will take at least a week to arrive. By the end of the >> day on Monday I will know whether doubling the cpu's solved the entire >> issue. If it does, I will get my money back for the ram and leave it at >> that. If it helps, but not enough, I will go for the ram to >> >> If anyone is interested I will post results Monday night. >> >> > I'm interested! I am also interested in knowing what kind of setup you > have network-wise. Do you have: > hub/switch? > standard switch/Gig-E switch? > 10Mbit/100Mbit/1000Mbit cards? > > Tuxtype is graphics intensive and therefore *very* bandwidth > intensive. It is normal that there is a slowdown with lots of clients > using tuxtype at the same time ... > > but I'm still interested in the OO results :) > > pantz > 3 - regular 10/100 switches each with a wire running to an 8 port router, both lines from the server go into this router. All nics are 10/100's Can't afford gig-e switches >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> >> > > From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sun Sep 26 16:05:05 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 12:05:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] CPU or Memory In-Reply-To: <1096172316.6098.22.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1096172316.6098.22.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <4156E8B1.8070500@cmosnetworks.com> Liam Marshall wrote: >I posted earlier about trying to decide whether to upgrade the memory on >the server, or the cpu > >I had a 3.06 GHz hyperthreading cpu and 2 GB of ram >when 30 students would all try and load say, OOwriter, cpu use pegged >and memory usage showed 1.9 out of 2 used. It would be real slow, until >all where in, then settled down slightly. But web pages and something >as silly as tux type would bog the whole system down. I know something >had to be done but could not choose. > >We settled on memory, upgrading to 4 GB. Then I got nervous and ordered >a dual cpu board and two Xeon 3.06 cpu's as well. > >Then I was frustrated yesterday when the server atx case I planned to >use had the wrong power supply. the ASUS PC-DL Deluxe motherboard I >bought needed a SSI type 24 pin connector, mine was 20 pin. > >After some frustrating research I learned what the difference was >between an SSI 24 pin connector and the power supply I had was, then I >bit the bullet and went out and paid 185.00 plus tax for the right power >supply. > >Then today I was frustrated again. After plugging in the power supply >and connecting everything, I got nothing but a single loooong beep on >power up. No video at all. after two hours of frustration, I called a >friend for a fresh perspective. He brought over another duelly system. >We tried video card first, known working from his system. Zip. Then we >tried his memory. Voila! My 4 GB Kingston memory was defective! >Sh&&%t! All that wasted time. > >Trouble was, my friend only had 2.5 GB of ram for me to try. Everything >is functioning great though, and I didn't have trouble with the new >hardware. Nics had to be configured, thats all > >So now, instead of changing two things, cpus and memory, I basically >have a dual cpu machine, and 2.5 GB. I plan to try out the system under >load with the students on Monday, seeing as how I have no choice. >Replacement ram will take at least a week to arrive. By the end of the >day on Monday I will know whether doubling the cpu's solved the entire >issue. If it does, I will get my money back for the ram and leave it at >that. If it helps, but not enough, I will go for the ram to > >If anyone is interested I will post results Monday night. > > Yep, I'm interested. As a certain U.S. Senator would say, "Bring...It...On!" :-D You'd have to look at your vmstat as well as top, of course, and check out your load, but my suspicion is that DRAM will also help you. OO.o is a bit memory-hungry, and if you're using the default GNOME desktop, you could be staring 100MB/student DRAM usage in the face. Note that GNU/Linux will use up all your available DRAM for things like file caching, so, as Les Mikesell has said before, vmstat is definitely your friend here (look for a lot of swapping). As for TuxType, that application will suck up 73Mb/session in a heartbeat. So, if you're running 100BaseTX on your server, you can imagine what that'll do. If you're running that application, or anything else like it (TuxMath, Chromium B.S.U., etc.), better have Gig-E on the server, and if your hardware supports it, have two Gig-E NICs and try to gang 'em together. --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From ssanders at coin.org Sun Sep 26 17:17:38 2004 From: ssanders at coin.org (ssanders at coin.org) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 12:17:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Upgrade woes -- backspace key no longer works In-Reply-To: <4156B26E.4070503@fpcc.net> References: <40DB23C1.8040601@earthlink.net> <1096157503.5968.20.camel@ltsp.bofh> <41563245.9010300@earthlink.net> <4156B26E.4070503@fpcc.net> Message-ID: <1096219058.23810.1.camel@ltsp.bofh> On Sun, 2004-09-26 at 07:13, Calvin Dodge wrote: > We edited /etc/X11/Xmodmap and uncommented the line "keycode 22 = BackSpace" that did it! thank you very much. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From prentice at instruction.com Sun Sep 26 21:14:08 2004 From: prentice at instruction.com (Dave Prentice) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 16:14:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] re: CPU or Memory Message-ID: <01c4a40d$c3185b60$6500000a@Dave.HOME> >From: Liam Marshall >Subject: [K12OSN] CPU or Memory > >Then today I was frustrated again. After plugging in the power supply >and connecting everything, I got nothing but a single loooong beep on >power up. No video at all. after two hours of frustration, I called a >friend for a fresh perspective. He brought over another duelly system. >We tried video card first, known working from his system. Zip. Then we >tried his memory. Voila! My 4 GB Kingston memory was defective! >Sh&&%t! All that wasted time. > Before you scrap the memory, go into your BIOS setup with the working 2.5gig and see if there isn't a setting for memory that has to do with parity/non-parity, EDO, or something like that. It may be that you just have to change that setting to make your 4gig chip work. Dave Prentice prentice at instruction.com From robark at telus.net Mon Sep 27 06:05:35 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 23:05:35 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] switch advice: Netgear or 3com In-Reply-To: <092520041439.28157.415583310001B5E400006DFD22007347489C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> References: <092520041439.28157.415583310001B5E400006DFD22007347489C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4157ADAF.2060206@telus.net> dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > I have the prior version of the Netgear 48 port switch (3 in fact), > the one without the browser-based management and have not had any > issues. (In fact, we have almost identical server hardware, dual Gig > E, etc.) Performance is very acceptable. The only caveat is that I > can't get sound working consistently, but that is probably just me > (using LTSP 3, not 4, K12ltsp 3.1.2, not 4.x) and when it works, it > lags the video. With the QOS options on the new switch, plus vlan, I > wish I had the new netgear. In over a year's use, we haven't had to > deliberately reset the switches ever. For what it is worth, there are > some netgear switches on ebay as well. (24 port and 48 port). > > Sincerely, > > Dave Hopkins > Thanks for the info. I'll take that as a plus for the netgear. One concern I have is the warranty on the Netgear. The switch itself is 5 years but the power supply is only 2 years. The 3com is 3 years for the unit. One other option I'm considering is the 3com 2250 unmanaged 48 + 2 gig e port switch. It is a about $70 more than the netgear but no management at all. At least the fs750t netgear has browser based management. Robert Arkiletian From bimalp at indoasian.com Mon Sep 27 06:44:15 2004 From: bimalp at indoasian.com (bimal pandit) Date: 27 Sep 2004 12:14:15 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Changed Icons -- Strange!! Message-ID: <1096267452.7052.40.camel@server.ltsp> Hello all, Yesterday, i had an unexpected problem as ... when i logged in as a normal user, to my surprise i found that the icons on my desktop has been changed!!, they have become as a paper shape with a turn at one of the corner(bookmark type)while earlier i had users home, trash, start here,nautilus etc. all looking as their original icons, the thing is how it has happened and why that too without my knowledge... now in this situation i would like to know :- 1) what has happened(seems some gnome conf file has changed!! ... my view) 2) why it has happened??, is that normal?? has someone also faced the same situation?? 3) how may i get back the original settings(icons)?? 4) Preventive measure to be followed. any other info or suggestions are always welcomed. i am using redhat 9, gnome 2.2 regards, bimal pandit From clay at bridgeportisd.net Mon Sep 27 13:02:08 2004 From: clay at bridgeportisd.net (Walker, Clay) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 08:02:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] switch advice: Netgear or 3com Message-ID: <6146AF43B9A098498022FC21CD2738A4D2C8DB@mail.bridgeport.bridgeportisd.net> For what it's worth: I've used HP switches for several years now and have had great success. Reasons for the choice: 1. Lifetime warranty (usually can get the replacement part next day) 2. Most modules are hot swappable - no/limited downtime. 3. Much cheaper (50%) than the "big-boys" (Cisco) with the same features (web browser management, command line management, Qos, VLan, trunking, you name it). I have not compared HP directly to 3Com, but I think it is competitive. I don't know that HP can compete with Netgear in the price-war. Clay -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Robert Arkiletian Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 1:06 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] switch advice: Netgear or 3com dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > I have the prior version of the Netgear 48 port switch (3 in fact), > the one without the browser-based management and have not had any > issues. (In fact, we have almost identical server hardware, dual Gig > E, etc.) Performance is very acceptable. The only caveat is that I > can't get sound working consistently, but that is probably just me > (using LTSP 3, not 4, K12ltsp 3.1.2, not 4.x) and when it works, it > lags the video. With the QOS options on the new switch, plus vlan, I > wish I had the new netgear. In over a year's use, we haven't had to > deliberately reset the switches ever. For what it is worth, there are > some netgear switches on ebay as well. (24 port and 48 port). > > Sincerely, > > Dave Hopkins > Thanks for the info. I'll take that as a plus for the netgear. One concern I have is the warranty on the Netgear. The switch itself is 5 years but the power supply is only 2 years. The 3com is 3 years for the unit. One other option I'm considering is the 3com 2250 unmanaged 48 + 2 gig e port switch. It is a about $70 more than the netgear but no management at all. At least the fs750t netgear has browser based management. Robert Arkiletian _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From steve at hargadon.com Mon Sep 27 13:23:20 2004 From: steve at hargadon.com (steve at hargadon.com) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 09:23:20 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Changed Icons -- Strange!! Message-ID: <102610-220049127132320744@M2W036.mail2web.com> I had this happen, and I googled quite a bit, but could not find a solution. It was some kind of gnome theme problem, and I ended up reinstalling. If you go to preferences > theme and can't get the theme prefernces box to come up, it's likely you're in the same situation. Original Message: ----------------- From: bimal pandit bimalp at indoasian.com Date: 27 Sep 2004 12:14:15 +0530 To: k12osn at redhat.com, gnome-list at gnome.org Subject: [K12OSN] Changed Icons -- Strange!! Hello all, Yesterday, i had an unexpected problem as ... when i logged in as a normal user, to my surprise i found that the icons on my desktop has been changed!!, they have become as a paper shape with a turn at one of the corner(bookmark type)while earlier i had users home, trash, start here,nautilus etc. all looking as their original icons, the thing is how it has happened and why that too without my knowledge... now in this situation i would like to know :- 1) what has happened(seems some gnome conf file has changed!! ... my view) 2) why it has happened??, is that normal?? has someone also faced the same situation?? 3) how may i get back the original settings(icons)?? 4) Preventive measure to be followed. any other info or suggestions are always welcomed. i am using redhat 9, gnome 2.2 regards, bimal pandit _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From bear2bar at netscape.net Mon Sep 27 13:23:51 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 09:23:51 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] switch advice: Netgear or 3com In-Reply-To: <4157ADAF.2060206@telus.net> References: <092520041439.28157.415583310001B5E400006DFD22007347489C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> <4157ADAF.2060206@telus.net> Message-ID: <41581467.4060706@netscape.net> Hi, For what's it worth I've had netgear router, switches and wireless NICs, although they work most of the time the support from netgear leaves a lot to be desired especially in a Linux environment where their warranty is NOT applicable.... YES they try to charge !! Since those incidents I've taken an "anything but netgear" policy regards norbert robark at telus.net wrote: > dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > >> I have the prior version of the Netgear 48 port switch (3 in fact), >> the one without the browser-based management and have not had any >> issues. (In fact, we have almost identical server hardware, dual Gig >> E, etc.) Performance is very acceptable. The only caveat is that I >> can't get sound working consistently, but that is probably just me >> (using LTSP 3, not 4, K12ltsp 3.1.2, not 4.x) and when it works, it >> lags the video. With the QOS options on the new switch, plus vlan, I >> wish I had the new netgear. In over a year's use, we haven't had to >> deliberately reset the switches ever. For what it is worth, there >> are some netgear switches on ebay as well. (24 port and 48 port). >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Dave Hopkins >> > > Thanks for the info. I'll take that as a plus for the netgear. One > concern I have is the warranty on the Netgear. The switch itself is 5 > years but the power supply is only 2 years. The 3com is 3 years for > the unit. > > One other option I'm considering is the 3com 2250 unmanaged 48 + 2 gig > e port switch. It is a about $70 more than the netgear but no > management at all. At least the fs750t netgear has browser based > management. > Robert Arkiletian > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From robark at telus.net Mon Sep 27 14:32:28 2004 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 07:32:28 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] switch advice: Netgear or 3com In-Reply-To: <41581467.4060706@netscape.net> References: <092520041439.28157.415583310001B5E400006DFD22007347489C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> <4157ADAF.2060206@telus.net> <41581467.4060706@netscape.net> Message-ID: <4158247C.5020209@telus.net> norbert wrote: > Hi, > > For what's it worth I've had netgear router, switches and wireless > NICs, although they work most of the time the support from netgear > leaves a lot to be desired especially in a Linux environment where > their warranty is NOT applicable.... YES they try to charge !! > Since those incidents I've taken an "anything but netgear" policy > > regards > norbert Wow! If Netgear will not give warranty in a Linux environment I will purchase something else. Maybe the unmanaged 3com 2250 http://www.3com.com/products/en_US/detail.jsp?tab=features&pathtype=purchase&sku=3C16476A I'll also check out HP's. I have heard good things about them. Hope they are affordable. Robert Arkiletian From pfaffman at gmail.com Mon Sep 27 14:45:08 2004 From: pfaffman at gmail.com (Jay Pfaffman) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 10:45:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Bottom post In-Reply-To: <1095833051.27383.4.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1095833051.27383.4.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <9326098004092707456d1fc0b6@mail.gmail.com> It's not clear that everyone (or even most people) prefers to see reponses below the quoted text. Often people are actually following the conversation and don't need to see the quoted text (since they just read the other message). Then it's a drag to have to scroll down through the quoted text, which likely includes lots of stuff not concerning the conversation at hand and a 15 line signature. But all that to say that I've started reading this list using gmail, and since it keeps conversations grouped together (the way a good newsreader did in the days before Spammers destroyed USENET) quoted text is largely unneccessary. -- Jay Pfaffman Asst Professor of Instructional Technology, U. TN, Knoxville Experimenting with gmail, please honor the Reply-To On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 11:34:11 +0530, Sudev Barar wrote: > This great page http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html > which teaches newbies how to reply/quote properly on the Usenet - > applies to lists as well. > > Especially http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote2.html#ss2.3 > which explains very well why one should bottom post: quote: > [...] > 2.3 Why should I place my response below the quoted text? > > Usually, the reading-flow is from left to right and from top to bottom, > and people expect a chronological sequence similar to this. Especially > people who are reading a lot of articles (and who therefore would > qualify as the ideal person to answer your question) appreciate it if > they can read at first the text to which you are referring. The quoted > text is some kind of help to remember the topic, which of course will > not work, if you place the quoted text below your response. > Furthermore, that's the standard. This may sound as a weak argument, but > since people are not used to reading the other way around, they have no > idea what you are referring to and have to go back and forth between the > referenced articles, have to jump between different articles and so on. > In short - reading the article becomes more and more difficult - for > people who read many articles it is reason enough to skip the entire > article, if the context is not obvious. > And besides: doesn't it look stupid to first get the answer and then see > the question? (Aside from Jeopardy, of course.) > [...] > > HTH > -- > Sudev Barar > Learning Linux > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- Jay Pfaffman Asst Professor of Instructional Technology, U. TN, Knoxville Experimenting with gmail, please honor the Reply-To From accessys at smart.net Mon Sep 27 14:50:24 2004 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 10:50:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Slides from K12LTSP talk in Davis are online In-Reply-To: <20040922184813.GC12128@sonic.net> References: <20040922184813.GC12128@sonic.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Sep 2004, Bill Kendrick wrote: > > Slides from Steve Hargadon's presentation on K12LTSP at the > Linux Users' Group of Davis (California) meeting this past Monday are > now online. > > I converted the slides to PDF, for easier web viewing. Enjoy! interesting but some are confusing,, do you have the text of this I want to show it to someone who is head of IT at a private school Bob > > http://www.lugod.org/presentations/k12ltsp.pdf > > -bill! > bill at newbreedsoftware.com New Breed Software > http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/ Tux Paint 0.9.14 -- Coming soon! > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From roger at efn.org Mon Sep 27 14:59:27 2004 From: roger at efn.org (Roger) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 07:59:27 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Bottom post In-Reply-To: <9326098004092707456d1fc0b6@mail.gmail.com> References: <1095833051.27383.4.camel@server.ltsp> <9326098004092707456d1fc0b6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20040927145927.GA4563@efn.org> Around Mon,Sep 27 2004, at 10:45, Jay Pfaffman, wrote: > the conversation and don't need to see the quoted text (since they > just read the other message). Then it's a drag to have to scroll down > through the quoted text, which likely includes lots of stuff not Properly done, you would cut the lines of garbage that aren't relevant. Unlike top-posters that feel 80k of text is okay since it's down below. (no, yours wasn't 80k.) -- Roger --------------------------------------------------------------------------- roger at efn.org From bear2bar at netscape.net Mon Sep 27 15:37:04 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 11:37:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] switch advice: Netgear or 3com In-Reply-To: <4158247C.5020209@telus.net> References: <092520041439.28157.415583310001B5E400006DFD22007347489C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> <4157ADAF.2060206@telus.net> <41581467.4060706@netscape.net> <4158247C.5020209@telus.net> Message-ID: <415833A0.80004@netscape.net> Hi, Its not that netgear will not give warranty but rather that they want to charge for it because I was in a Linux environment that left me totally discusted ! norbert robark at telus.net wrote: > norbert wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> For what's it worth I've had netgear router, switches and wireless >> NICs, although they work most of the time the support from netgear >> leaves a lot to be desired especially in a Linux environment where >> their warranty is NOT applicable.... YES they try to charge !! >> Since those incidents I've taken an "anything but netgear" policy >> >> regards >> norbert > > > Wow! If Netgear will not give warranty in a Linux environment I will > purchase something else. Maybe the unmanaged 3com 2250 > http://www.3com.com/products/en_US/detail.jsp?tab=features&pathtype=purchase&sku=3C16476A > > > I'll also check out HP's. I have heard good things about them. Hope > they are affordable. > > Robert Arkiletian > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Sep 27 15:49:13 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 11:49:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Changed Icons -- Strange!! In-Reply-To: <102610-220049127132320744@M2W036.mail2web.com> References: <102610-220049127132320744@M2W036.mail2web.com> Message-ID: steve at hargadon.com on Monday, September 27, 2004 at 9:23 AM +0000 wrote: >Hello all, > >Yesterday, i had an unexpected problem as ... > >when i logged in as a normal user, to my surprise i found that the icons >on my desktop has been changed!!, they have become as a paper shape >with a turn at one of the corner(bookmark type)while earlier i had users >home, trash, start here,nautilus etc. all looking as their original >icons, the thing is how it has happened and why that too without my >knowledge... > >now in this situation i would like to know :- > >1) what has happened(seems some gnome conf file has changed!! ... my >view) > >2) why it has happened??, is that normal?? has someone also faced the >same situation?? > >3) how may i get back the original settings(icons)?? > >4) Preventive measure to be followed. > >any other info or suggestions are always welcomed. > >i am using redhat 9, gnome 2.2 Have you recently switched between kdm and gdm? If so that's what did it for me last time.....simply deleting the gconfd file in the users home directly managed to get me back in business. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From jkinz at kinz.org Mon Sep 27 15:41:33 2004 From: jkinz at kinz.org (Jeff Kinz) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 11:41:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Bottom post In-Reply-To: <9326098004092707456d1fc0b6@mail.gmail.com>; from pfaffman@gmail.com on Mon, Sep 27, 2004 at 10:45:08AM -0400 References: <1095833051.27383.4.camel@server.ltsp> <9326098004092707456d1fc0b6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20040927114133.A4375@redline.comcast.net> I'm sorry Jay, Sudev is correct about email posting to a list. On Mon, Sep 27, 2004 at 10:45:08AM -0400, Jay Pfaffman wrote: > It's not clear that everyone (or even most people) prefers to see > reponses below the quoted text. If you take a look at all the other email lists hosted by RedHat (Like this one is) You will see that bottom posting is the universal preference on their lists (as well as most other non-trivial lists) (you get your bottom roasted for top posting on some of them!) Bottom posting (interleaving) on email lists is a matter of basic courtesy for your fellow list members. Not doing it shows a distinct lack of regard for their time, effort and value. Here's why: When posting to an email list you are "conversing" with hundreds of other people who are following multiple threads of "conversation" simultaneously and therefore cannot follow the thread of your conversation unless the dialog is presented in the correct order with context. Top posting forces the many to hunt up and down in the email to find the points being referred to so they can follow the flow of the logic in the "conversation". So, your lack of effort is multiplied and transferred to many many other people who really shouldn't have to make up for your lack of effort. When having a person to person email dialog, top posting is fine. > Often people are actually following > the conversation and don't need to see the quoted text (since they > just read the other message). Email is not a real time activity, most people are not following the conversation as it is posted. Many people do the right thing and research an issue before they ask about it and read the thread in the mail list archives. They need bottom posting. > Then it's a drag to have to scroll down > through the quoted text, which likely includes lots of stuff not > concerning the conversation at hand and a 15 line signature. That is not bottom posting. That is stone cold laziness. If you have to scroll past anyone's sig to read a response then don't bother. The person who posted it has no respect for your time and doesn't deserve your attention. Plonk them. (plonking means to add a name to your kill file). Always remember that proper email list posting means interleaving and trimming the fat! > But all that to say that I've started reading this list using gmail, Very few people have gmail, and many won't use it at all due to privacy concerns. Indeed, the more technically sophisticated the person, the less likely they are to use gmail or any form of web-mail. > and since it keeps conversations grouped together (the way a good > newsreader did in the days before Spammers destroyed USENET) quoted > text is largely unneccessary. Ahem - USENET is where bottom posting originated. It was very necessary. Some people wouldn't get articles for days after the a posting. Time was an even more severe issue. > You can take a vote if you want. I can tell you exactly how the votes break down: Newbies new to technical email lists want top posting. People who have been using technical lists a while prefer "bottom posting". The core issue is courtesy. (In the form of respect for people's time) This issue was discussed passionately many times in the early days of the Internet and the final consensus was that bottom posting, (Interleaving), had the greatest good for the greatest number. [[Here is the Internet Engineering standard document which covers this issue: http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html See the section on "One To Many Communication" (Chapter 3, page 7) (Or read my summary below:)]] People's time is important. a properly formatted email response on an email list includes no extra garbage and does not require anyone to scroll down to start reading the response. Only enough of the original email should be included to provide the context which the response applies to. So called "bottom posting" is misnamed. It should be called "Interleaved posting" or "after posting". This allows a person who is not following the email thread in real time to still understand it. How? As I am doing here, I post my response to your points interleaved after each point you make, and I DELETE everything which is not part of the dialog. This keeps the flow of the conversation intact. Since many people do not read the email list in real time this is the most efficient way for them to receive the information. -- Linux/Open Source. Now all your base belongs to you, for free. ============================================================ Idealism: "Realism applied over a longer time period" Jeff Kinz, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Mon Sep 27 16:13:07 2004 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 11:13:07 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] apt-get and yum repositories Message-ID: I did updates and one of the updates included apt and since then the repositories are messed up. Can anyone tell me where to set the correct repositories for apt and yum? I need the files on the server and also the stuff to change in them. Thanks! Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! From bear2bar at netscape.net Mon Sep 27 16:31:42 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 12:31:42 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] apt-get and yum repositories In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4158406E.2010100@netscape.net> Hi, Try "apt-get mirror-select" to reset your directories good luck norbert simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us wrote: >I did updates and one of the updates included apt and since then the >repositories are messed up. > >Can anyone tell me where to set the correct repositories for apt and yum? > >I need the files on the server and also the stuff to change in them. > >Thanks! > >Doug Simpson >Technology Specialist >DeQueen Public Schools >DeQueen, AR 71832 >simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >Tux for President! > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Sep 27 16:56:20 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 12:56:20 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] apt-get and yum repositories In-Reply-To: <4158406E.2010100@netscape.net> References: <4158406E.2010100@netscape.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, September 27, 2004 at 12:31 PM +0000 wrote: >>I did updates and one of the updates included apt and since then the >>repositories are messed up. >> >>Can anyone tell me where to set the correct repositories for apt and yum? >> >>I need the files on the server and also the stuff to change in them. Assuming you are using the current version of K12LTSP...if not you'll need the correct settings. Anyway...these are changed in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/k12ltsp.list # K12LTSP Repository rpm ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/ apt/fc2 k12ltsp os updates non-free extras meta rpm-src ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/ apt/fc2 k12ltsp os updates non-free extras meta Hope this helps :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From les at futuresource.com Mon Sep 27 16:53:53 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 11:53:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] switch advice: Netgear or 3com In-Reply-To: <415833A0.80004@netscape.net> References: <092520041439.28157.415583310001B5E400006DFD22007347489C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> <4157ADAF.2060206@telus.net> <41581467.4060706@netscape.net> <4158247C.5020209@telus.net> <415833A0.80004@netscape.net> Message-ID: <1096304032.1465.5.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2004-09-27 at 10:37, norbert wrote: > Hi, > > Its not that netgear will not give warranty but rather that they want to > charge for it because I was in a Linux environment that left me totally > discusted ! That doesn't make any sense for a switch where the OS of the connected devices is irrelevant. Are you sure you aren't talking about a NIC or wireless adapter where you were asking them to support a driver written by someone else? --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From bear2bar at netscape.net Mon Sep 27 17:17:50 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 13:17:50 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] switch advice: Netgear or 3com In-Reply-To: <1096304032.1465.5.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <092520041439.28157.415583310001B5E400006DFD22007347489C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> <4157ADAF.2060206@telus.net> <41581467.4060706@netscape.net> <4158247C.5020209@telus.net> <415833A0.80004@netscape.net> <1096304032.1465.5.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <41584B3E.4020005@netscape.net> Hi Les, I was referring to their router and wireless NICs (PCI & USB). I just asked about configuration of the router attached to a linux server and setup for the NICs on both Win & Linux stations. The answer from netgear was that although on the packaging they support Linux this is NOT free only the Windows support is free. The original reason that I had bought the netgear product was that the literature & package both indicated that it worked with linux. Needless to say I was extremely "!@#$%#@@###" when I learned that linux support came at a price, since linux issues had to be escaladed to their 2nd tier support & that level of support was not free! I never got to considering a third party driver or application after that response. norbert les at futuresource.com wrote: >On Mon, 2004-09-27 at 10:37, norbert wrote: > > >>Hi, >> >>Its not that netgear will not give warranty but rather that they want to >>charge for it because I was in a Linux environment that left me totally >>discusted ! >> >> > >That doesn't make any sense for a switch where the OS of the connected >devices is irrelevant. Are you sure you aren't talking about a NIC or >wireless adapter where you were asking them to support a driver written >by someone else? > >--- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kmeyer at blarg.net Mon Sep 27 17:42:00 2004 From: kmeyer at blarg.net (Ken Meyer) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 10:42:00 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Bottom post In-Reply-To: <20040927145927.GA4563@efn.org> Message-ID: It appears that it's time for the annual rehash of this issue, which is apparently a "sine qua non" for all geek-oriented lists. So, my intuition is screaming to let this lie, as it too will pass; but apparently, I am going to ignore that internal advice yet again. My bottom line is that there may be conflicting merit to both techniques, as applied to specific situations; but that the bottom-post works best in a perfect world, which of course, ain't the one we inhabit. Furthermore, bottom posting may be a variant of interleaving, but is sort of the degenerate case. True interleaving responds to the need to address several disjoint aspects of a message, probably without destroying any part of it, whereas an arbitrary bottom-post doesn't consider the needs of the message, so I don't think that bottom-posting can be categorically justified by extrapolation of the pretty obvious situational need for interleaving. Now, the merit of bottom-posting is, IMHO, contingent on several factors: The recipient has not been following the thread closely and needs to be force-fed the history [In fact, some folks have been following, and some may not be doing so; in fact they may ignore the entire thread. Convenience should be directed to favor those who are most involved; those who have not been involved should be given a complete picture of at least the most recent posting] The sender will do a perfect job of pruning the reference message [Now, really! Doing this is a really difficult task. If you are doing 20-to-life and have a lot of time on your hands, you may be able to address this criterion fairly well, but it is really not in the cards for most of us in our real world -- I would rather have rapid benefit of your expertise rather than having you spending time doing a surgical selection of text to quote] [Frankly, particularly if there is some controversy involved in the thread, I really don't want anyone trimming my message and perhaps -- even likely -- creating an erroneous impression by rendering my comments out of context] It relies on proper notation of quoted text sections. [I frequently find myself "stuttering" in scrolling down a message, wondering if what I am looking at is the "new meat", and being exasperated because I am having to read stuff that I am already intimately familiar with. This problem can be particularly severe if HTML text has been converted to plain text, which can destroy the identification of quotes available in HTML, when done by colors or a vertical line in the margin. Now, in the plain text, you don't have any differentiation between the new and the old text. Of course, the issue of posting in HTML is another subject that has a lot more validity than top-vs-bottom, but...it's not going to go away completely] I will note that the penchant for bottom-posting seems to be most in evidence in geek-oriented lists. Other lists that are populated by intelligent people, including my fellow Ivy League Alumni, gravitate to top-posting and this debate seldom arises. Now, I hasten to add that people who top post and don't trim the trail reasonably, including snipping multiple identical footer messages appended by the list server, should be provided with "corrective advice". The length of the trail that is appropriate is dependent on how controversial the thread is, and is situation-specific. In other words, bottom-posting with substantial "top-trail" is really vexing; trimming the "top-trail" is very subject to misrepresentation of the respondee's position and is subject to abuse; it is much more convenient for people who are really involved in a thread to get the new information right off the top; those who have not been doing so benefit from a comprehensive introduction that is out of the way and can be referenced as they need it -- which is best included the way footnotes are (have you ever seen a footnote at the top of a page?). Ergo, bottom-posting has significant advantage only in a world that we don't live in. I am not so naive as to believe that it is going to go away, and sometimes it is not a big deal to deal with; I only wish to defend the alternative from supercilious and invalid criticism. Ken Meyer -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Roger Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 7:59 AM To: pfaffman at relaxpc.com; Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Bottom post Around Mon,Sep 27 2004, at 10:45, Jay Pfaffman, wrote: > the conversation and don't need to see the quoted text (since they > just read the other message). Then it's a drag to have to scroll down > through the quoted text, which likely includes lots of stuff not Properly done, you would cut the lines of garbage that aren't relevant. Unlike top-posters that feel 80k of text is okay since it's down below. (no, yours wasn't 80k.) -- Roger --------------------------------------------------------------------------- roger at efn.org _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From les at futuresource.com Mon Sep 27 17:40:02 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 12:40:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] switch advice: Netgear or 3com In-Reply-To: <41584B3E.4020005@netscape.net> References: <092520041439.28157.415583310001B5E400006DFD22007347489C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> <4157ADAF.2060206@telus.net> <41581467.4060706@netscape.net> <4158247C.5020209@telus.net> <415833A0.80004@netscape.net> <1096304032.1465.5.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <41584B3E.4020005@netscape.net> Message-ID: <1096306802.1465.23.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2004-09-27 at 12:17, norbert wrote: > The original reason that I had bought the netgear product was that the > literature & package both indicated that it worked with linux. > Needless to say I was extremely "!@#$%#@@###" when I learned that > linux support came at a price, since linux issues had to be escaladed > to their 2nd tier support & that level of support was not free! > I never got to considering a third party driver or application after > that response. Does any vendor teach you how to do configuration without some kind of support contract? I'm usually happy to see 'works with Linux' on the box and don't expect it to mean more than that. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dalen at czexan.net Mon Sep 27 17:51:08 2004 From: dalen at czexan.net (Dale Sykora) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 12:51:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Bottom post In-Reply-To: <20040927114133.A4375@redline.comcast.net> References: <1095833051.27383.4.camel@server.ltsp> <9326098004092707456d1fc0b6@mail.gmail.com> <20040927114133.A4375@redline.comcast.net> Message-ID: <4158530C.6010304@czexan.net> Jeff Kinz wrote: > You can take a vote if you want. I can tell you exactly how the votes break > down: Newbies new to technical email lists want top posting. People who > have been using technical lists a while prefer "bottom posting". The > core issue is courtesy. (In the form of respect for people's time) Jeff, My vote is for bottom post. However, a probable reason why newbies top post is that they likely come from a Microsoft environment (Outlook) where top post is the default. Dale From bear2bar at netscape.net Mon Sep 27 17:55:26 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 13:55:26 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] switch advice: Netgear or 3com In-Reply-To: <1096306802.1465.23.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <092520041439.28157.415583310001B5E400006DFD22007347489C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> <4157ADAF.2060206@telus.net> <41581467.4060706@netscape.net> <4158247C.5020209@telus.net> <415833A0.80004@netscape.net> <1096304032.1465.5.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <41584B3E.4020005@netscape.net> <1096306802.1465.23.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <4158540E.404@netscape.net> Hi Les, Normally I would agree, however when the problem is in the vendors product I do expect them to support it without charge, and in this case it was the routers firmware that was problematic. Second if the package says "works with Linux" or .... hmm "Linux friendly" then it is the vendors responsibility to provide initial setup support when problems are encountered. I wasn't suggesting that netgear should "teach" me or anyone how to do the configuration but rather provide support with the configuration when the outlined instructions don't work. If, however, the issue is that the user can't connect a cable... then that's totally different... :-D norbert les at futuresource.com wrote: >On Mon, 2004-09-27 at 12:17, norbert wrote: > > >>The original reason that I had bought the netgear product was that the >>literature & package both indicated that it worked with linux. >>Needless to say I was extremely "!@#$%#@@###" when I learned that >>linux support came at a price, since linux issues had to be escaladed >>to their 2nd tier support & that level of support was not free! >>I never got to considering a third party driver or application after >>that response. >> >> > >Does any vendor teach you how to do configuration without some kind of >support contract? I'm usually happy to see 'works with Linux' on the >box and don't expect it to mean more than that. > >--- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les at futuresource.com Mon Sep 27 18:10:23 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 13:10:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Bottom post In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1096308623.1465.32.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2004-09-27 at 12:42, Ken Meyer wrote: > [Frankly, particularly if there is some controversy involved in the thread, > I really don't want anyone trimming my message and perhaps -- even likely -- > creating an erroneous impression by rendering my comments out of context] Ah, but that's the whole point of a conversation. You had your chance to express your points and introduce your irrelevant topics, now it's someone else's turn and they are free to remove them or comment on just the parts that interest them. Your message is still complete in the archives and will be for as long as they are kept. If anyone cares about context, they can dig it up. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From david at okgoodwill.org Mon Sep 27 18:25:26 2004 From: david at okgoodwill.org (David H. Barr) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 13:25:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Bottom post Message-ID: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E2820509F1@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> And the answer for many of you Outlook users is (perhaps) QuoteFix (http://jump.to/outlook-quotefix). In this way one can customize the manner in which one's responses are automatically formatted, magically strip out much duplicate data, and in general set aright many issues for which any modern mail reader ought to provide options. And, lest I draw your dire ire (not derriere, for that is another matter altogether), I shall utilize my patent pending "sandwich post" (TM). -dBarr the Tongue-in-Cheek. On Monday, September 27, 2004 12:51 PM, Dale Sykora wrote: > Jeff Kinz wrote: >> You can take a vote if you want. I can tell you exactly how the >> votes break down: Newbies new to technical email lists want top >> posting. People who have been using technical lists a while prefer >> "bottom posting". The core issue is courtesy. (In the form of >> respect for people's time) > Jeff, > My vote is for bottom post. However, a probable reason why newbies > top post is that they likely come from a Microsoft environment > (Outlook) where top post is the default. > > Dale And the answer for many of you Outlook users is (perhaps) QuoteFix (http://jump.to/outlook-quotefix). In this way one can customize the manner in which one's responses are automatically formatted, magically strip out much duplicate data, and in general set aright many issues for which any modern mail reader ought to provide options. And, lest I draw your dire ire (not derriere, for that is another matter altogether), I shall utilize my patent pending "sandwich post" (TM). -dBarr the Tongue-in-Cheek. From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Sep 27 18:38:10 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 13:38:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Bottom post In-Reply-To: <9326098004092707456d1fc0b6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002401c4a4c1$238aaa30$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > It's not clear that everyone (or even most people) prefers to > see reponses below the quoted text. Often people are > actually following the conversation and don't need to see the > quoted text (since they just read the other message). Then > it's a drag to have to scroll down through the quoted text, > which likely includes lots of stuff not concerning the > conversation at hand and a 15 line signature. For starters I don't see Top/Bottom/Interleave posting or the new Sandwich posting as all that big of a deal. I understand both, can quickly see the difference, and move on. However when I started this list I top posted as well. After being scolded by Sudev I adopted the what seemed to be annoying Bottom/Interleaved post method. But after doing so for awhile I have to admit I wish all messages I received were replied to in this manner. I do find it easier to follow than the verbose top post method. I now respond to all my emails with a bottom post with a cropped prior message unless it is something that I want an entire history contained in one email for easy reference in the future. But I do however appreciate mostly the help I receive from others on this list, and as long as you are helping me, reply in whatever fashion you wish. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.766 / Virus Database: 513 - Release Date: 9/17/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From henryhartley at westat.com Mon Sep 27 18:57:31 2004 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 14:57:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Bottom post Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0362E032@remail2.westat.com> Ken Meyer wrote: > It appears that it's time for the annual rehash of this issue, which > is apparently a "sine qua non" for all geek-oriented lists. So, my > intuition is screaming to let this lie, as it too will pass; but > apparently, I am going to ignore that internal advice yet again. What are you talking about? > -----Original Message----- > > From: Roger > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 7:59 AM > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Bottom post > > Around Mon,Sep 27 2004, at 10:45, Jay Pfaffman, wrote: > >> the conversation and don't need to see the quoted text (since they >> just read the other message). Then it's a drag to have to scroll >> down through the quoted text, which likely includes lots of stuff not > > Properly done, you would cut the lines of garbage that aren't > relevant. Unlike top-posters that feel 80k of text is okay since it's > down below. (no, yours wasn't 80k.) Oh, I see. Never mind. ;-) -- Henry From adammelancon at gmail.com Mon Sep 27 19:21:49 2004 From: adammelancon at gmail.com (Adam Melancon) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 14:21:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] squidguard in 4.1 Message-ID: <4892876104092712212b87f80c@mail.gmail.com> Is squidguard not in version 4.1 of K12LTSP. I'm trying to get a friend setup with a squidguard box using the K12LTSP distro, but it is not allowing me to install squidguard. I found it on the CD, but when I install it, I get this error message. [root at stenka RPMS]# rpm -Uvh squidGuard-1.2.0-7.k12ltsp.0.3.1.i386.rpm warning: squidGuard-1.2.0-7.k12ltsp.0.3.1.i386.rpm: V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID f1a2ded5 error: Failed dependencies: libdb-4.0.so is needed by squidGuard-1.2.0-7.k12ltsp.0.3.1 [root at stenka RPMS]# libdb is installed. [root at stenka RPMS]# rpm -qa |grep db dbus-glib-0.20-4.1 gdbm-1.8.0-22.1 db4-4.2.52-3.1 dbus-0.20-4.1 [root at stenka RPMS]# When he installed the distro he selected "server" and "webserver", is there something else we are missing here. I have been running a squidguard box for a few months here at our library, and it is running on K12LTSP 4.0 and was very easy to install. Thanks -- Adam Melancon Work: http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us Personal: http://www.melancon.org From nsantiago at caclv.org Mon Sep 27 19:26:55 2004 From: nsantiago at caclv.org (Santiago, Nicholas) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 15:26:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Client-Side Content Filtering Message-ID: Hi all-- Does anyone know of a good Windoze-based client-side content filtering program? I'm looking to send computers home with the kids and want to have some kind of content filtering on the computer. As they won't be on my network here, I know they won't be able to access my SME Server's Squidguard. Any thoughts? -Nick <~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> Nicholas Santiago Technical Assistant Community Action Committee of the Lehigh Valley Forte Building, First Floor 610-691-5620 ext. 302 or 1-866-847-4565 ext. 302 nsantiago at caclv.org <~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> _____ www.caclv.org _____ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From jkinz at kinz.org Mon Sep 27 19:34:38 2004 From: jkinz at kinz.org (Jeff Kinz) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 15:34:38 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Bottom post In-Reply-To: ; from kmeyer@blarg.net on Mon, Sep 27, 2004 at 10:42:00AM -0700 References: <20040927145927.GA4563@efn.org> Message-ID: <20040927153438.A5186@redline.comcast.net> On Mon, Sep 27, 2004 at 10:42:00AM -0700, Ken Meyer wrote: > It appears that it's time for the annual rehash of this issue, which is > apparently a "sine qua non" for all geek-oriented lists. So, my intuition Much of what Ken said here when describing the format he found useful is actually the same as the rfc 1855, Only the rfc says it more concisely: (Quote) - If you are sending a reply to a message or a posting be sure you summarize the original at the top of the message, or include just enough text of the original to give a context. This will make sure readers understand when they start to read your response. Since NetNews, especially, is proliferated by distributing the postings from one host to another, it is possible to see a response to a message before seeing the original. Giving context helps everyone. But do not include the entire original! So what Ken has called interleaving, is actually the correct behaviour and is called "bottom posting" by the Net at large. An unfortunate choice of name, since some misunderstand its use. > Now, the merit of bottom-posting is, IMHO, contingent on several factors: > The recipient has not been following the thread closely and needs to be > force-fed the history Which is often the case. Remember we never know what circumstances or time or environment (email client) people will be in, when reading our emails. > The sender will do a perfect job of pruning the reference message No, Perfection is not required. Good enough is sufficient and normal. > [Now, really! Doing this is a really difficult task. I simply delete anything I'm not replying too. I don't worry about perfect because a few units of experience lets you know that perfect is never achieved, and good enough is good enough. Not difficult. > [Frankly, particularly if there is some controversy involved in the thread, > I really don't want anyone trimming my message and perhaps -- even likely -- > creating an erroneous impression by rendering my comments out of context] This is true, and it has happened. We must rely on the honesty of others at times and this will not always work. Fortunately, no money is involved. : -) Sometimes you may have to address the issue of people re-framing your text just so they can abuse it. These people are not worthy of your respect or your time and most people see through them. (Note: the shorter you keep your emails the less likely people will be to chop them up too much. Ken's email and my reply to it are examples of emails that are so long, they are clumsy. My apologies to the reader.) Whenever you deal with a contraversy in email, always be just that much more considerate of all points of view. > It relies on proper notation of quoted text sections. > > [I frequently find myself "stuttering" in scrolling down a message, > wondering if what I am looking at is the "new meat", and being exasperated > because I am having to read stuff that I am already intimately familiar > with. Most email clients (Except Microsoft) already handle this the standard way. Just look for the lines beginning with ">" or the poster's initials To fix Microsoft email clients so they work correctly: To fix outlook express: http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/ To fix Outlook: http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/outlook-quotefix/ > This problem can be particularly severe if HTML text has been HTML should never be used to post to email lists. It is one of the tools used by spammers and virus authors to accomplish their goals. Many of the more sophisticated Internet citizens simply drop or strip all HTML email because of the security issues. To setup any email client so that it doesn't send HTML see: http://expita.com/nomime.html#programs > I will note that the penchant for bottom-posting seems to be most in > evidence in geek-oriented lists. And email lists that have been around for a long time or have high volume or have lots of subscribers. It is not restricted to "geek oriented" only. One example - the speech recognition email lists on yahoo (subscribers are mainly people with conditions that prevent them from being able to type.) > Other lists that are populated by intelligent people, including my > fellow Ivy League Alumni, gravitate to top-posting and this debate > seldom arises. I have seen just the opposite. The more intelligent and productive the individuals involved are (including Harvard and MIT) the more likely they are to use interleaving on email lists. It is mostly newbies or folks who have never used anything but Microsoft software who TP. > > Now, I hasten to add that people who top post and don't trim the trail > reasonably, including snipping multiple identical footer messages appended > by the list server, should be provided with "corrective advice". Absolutely. > In other words, bottom-posting with substantial "top-trail" is really > vexing; Yes, absolutely. > trimming the "top-trail" is very subject to misrepresentation of the > respondee's position and is subject to abuse; it is much more convenient for > people who are really involved in a thread to get the new information right > off the top; those who have not been doing so benefit from a comprehensive > introduction that is out of the way and can be referenced as they need it -- > which is best included the way footnotes are (have you ever seen a footnote > at the top of a page?). Ergo, bottom-posting has significant advantage only > in a world that we don't live in. I am not so naive as to believe that it > is going to go away, and sometimes it is not a big deal to deal with; I only > wish to defend the alternative from supercilious and invalid criticism. Except that by not interleaving you have failed to point out what parts you think are "supercilious and invalid" unless you think the whole notion is. In this respect top posting invites much more misrepresentation and abuse than interleaving does. Time has proven this over and over again on the web. Trust me Ken. In time, like me, you will change your mind. -- Linux/Open Source. Now all your base belongs to you, for free. ============================================================ Idealism: "Realism applied over a longer time period" Jeff Kinz, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. From dhuckaby at paasda.org Mon Sep 27 19:53:53 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 12:53:53 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] is there an app or logfile that... Message-ID: <41586FD1.7000303@paasda.org> shows how long a user was logged on? Date/Time/Machinename I'm looking for something to show that the K12LTSP machines are heavily used... and would like some hard numbers to show the principal or boardmembers. something like: daveq logged on at 13:00 sept 1 at ws100.ltsp daveq logged out at 14:05 sept 1 at ws100.ltsp something like that... then I can see out of 40 machines what kind of load each machine has in terms of use by students and how long they are spending on them Thanks, --Huck From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Mon Sep 27 19:50:44 2004 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 14:50:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Client-Side Content Filtering In-Reply-To: <20040927193024.2F48F7349D@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040927193024.2F48F7349D@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <41586F14.4080307@honeygroveisd.net> > Hi all-- > > Does anyone know of a good Windoze-based client-side content filtering > program? I'm looking to send computers home with the kids and want to > have some kind of content filtering on the computer. As they won't be > on my network here, I know they won't be able to access my SME > Server's Squidguard. Any thoughts? > > -Nick > While I haven't used it personally, a couple of our teachers swear by We-Blocker. weblocker.fameleads.com -- C-ya, Mark ____ "Labor to keep alive in your breast that little spark of celestial fire called conscience." -- George Washington -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adammelancon at gmail.com Mon Sep 27 19:51:03 2004 From: adammelancon at gmail.com (Adam Melancon) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 14:51:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: squidguard in 4.1 In-Reply-To: <4892876104092712212b87f80c@mail.gmail.com> References: <4892876104092712212b87f80c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48928761040927125147c086e7@mail.gmail.com> I got a copy of 4.1 and tried to install it myself. Squidguard was not available in the "Package Group Selection" screen no matter if I choose "LTSP", "Custom", or "Server", when I started the install. Does anyone know where squidGuard went to in 4.1? It was so easy to install and setup on 4.0. I even wrote a how-to so that other libraries could use squidguard for their filtering, but some are finding it hard to do since squidguard is not part of the install. http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us/sysadminsite/squidguard/ On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 14:21:49 -0500, Adam Melancon wrote: > Is squidguard not in version 4.1 of K12LTSP. I'm trying to get a > friend setup with a squidguard box using the K12LTSP distro, but it is > not allowing me to install squidguard. > > I found it on the CD, but when I install it, I get this error message. > > [root at stenka RPMS]# rpm -Uvh squidGuard-1.2.0-7.k12ltsp.0.3.1.i386.rpm > > warning: squidGuard-1.2.0-7.k12ltsp.0.3.1.i386.rpm: V3 DSA signature: > NOKEY, key ID f1a2ded5 > error: Failed dependencies: > libdb-4.0.so is needed by squidGuard-1.2.0-7.k12ltsp.0.3.1 > [root at stenka RPMS]# > > libdb is installed. > [root at stenka RPMS]# rpm -qa |grep db > dbus-glib-0.20-4.1 > gdbm-1.8.0-22.1 > db4-4.2.52-3.1 > dbus-0.20-4.1 > [root at stenka RPMS]# > > When he installed the distro he selected "server" and "webserver", is > there something else we are missing here. I have been running a > squidguard box for a few months here at our library, and it is running > on K12LTSP 4.0 and was very easy to install. > > Thanks > -- > Adam Melancon > Work: http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us > Personal: http://www.melancon.org > -- Adam Melancon Work: http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us Personal: http://www.melancon.org From dhuckaby at paasda.org Mon Sep 27 19:57:32 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 12:57:32 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] teachertool Message-ID: <415870AC.2060607@paasda.org> I dl'd teachertool and checked it out... seems really slick...I can view student's processes...and kill 'em or log 'em off remotely... I was unable, however, to force run an application... I wanted to load a terminal session I presumed /usr/bin/xterm.... and there was another in /opt/ltsp/i368/X11R6/bin/xterm I believe also... but nothing that I tried would bring up any program...open office...nothing... so was hoping one of you who've used it for this purpose might have some insight. Thanks, --Huck From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Sep 27 20:03:51 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 13:03:51 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: squidguard in 4.1 In-Reply-To: <48928761040927125147c086e7@mail.gmail.com> References: <4892876104092712212b87f80c@mail.gmail.com> <48928761040927125147c086e7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1096315431.4126.34.camel@server.ltsp> On Mon, 2004-09-27 at 12:51, Adam Melancon wrote: > I got a copy of 4.1 and tried to install it myself. Squidguard was > not available in the "Package Group Selection" screen no matter if I > choose "LTSP", "Custom", or "Server", when I started the install. > > Does anyone know where squidGuard went to in 4.1? > It was so easy to install and setup on 4.0. > I even wrote a how-to so that other libraries could use squidguard for > their filtering, but some are finding it hard to do since squidguard > is not part of the install. > http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us/sysadminsite/squidguard/ > > This is an installer change that I missed. I'll fix it for 4.1.1. Assuming that the server is connected to the internet, you can install squidGuard with the following command: up2date -i squidGuard Using up2date (or yum or apt-get if you prefer) is the best way to install packages for it will handle the dependency checking for you. If the server is not connected to the internet and you have to install the packages off the cd, install the "compat-db" package first, then the "squidGuard" package. Both are on cd #4. -Eric > On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 14:21:49 -0500, Adam Melancon > wrote: > > Is squidguard not in version 4.1 of K12LTSP. I'm trying to get a > > friend setup with a squidguard box using the K12LTSP distro, but it is > > not allowing me to install squidguard. > > > > I found it on the CD, but when I install it, I get this error message. > > > > [root at stenka RPMS]# rpm -Uvh squidGuard-1.2.0-7.k12ltsp.0.3.1.i386.rpm > > > > warning: squidGuard-1.2.0-7.k12ltsp.0.3.1.i386.rpm: V3 DSA signature: > > NOKEY, key ID f1a2ded5 > > error: Failed dependencies: > > libdb-4.0.so is needed by squidGuard-1.2.0-7.k12ltsp.0.3.1 > > [root at stenka RPMS]# > > > > libdb is installed. > > [root at stenka RPMS]# rpm -qa |grep db > > dbus-glib-0.20-4.1 > > gdbm-1.8.0-22.1 > > db4-4.2.52-3.1 > > dbus-0.20-4.1 > > [root at stenka RPMS]# > > > > When he installed the distro he selected "server" and "webserver", is > > there something else we are missing here. I have been running a > > squidguard box for a few months here at our library, and it is running > > on K12LTSP 4.0 and was very easy to install. > > > > Thanks > > -- > > Adam Melancon > > Work: http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us > > Personal: http://www.melancon.org > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From dahopkins at comcast.net Mon Sep 27 20:16:28 2004 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 20:16:28 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] is there an app or logfile that... Message-ID: <092720042016.10680.4158751B000BE85F000029B822007623029C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> > shows how long a user was logged on? Date/Time/Machinename The 'last' command uses /var/log/wtmp (I think) to report users and status? Tedious, but perhaps you can get the information from this via some clever scripting from this file? Sincerely, Dave Hopkins Newark Charter School -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cwt137 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 27 20:52:59 2004 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 13:52:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] is there an app or logfile that... In-Reply-To: <092720042016.10680.4158751B000BE85F000029B822007623029C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20040927205259.63548.qmail@web12106.mail.yahoo.com> You can also look at http://www.ltsp.org/contrib/index.php . There is a item called, "Billing System for Internet Cafe". Also look arround (google) for something like 'user accounting' or something like that. Chris --- dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > > shows how long a user was logged on? > Date/Time/Machinename > > The 'last' command uses /var/log/wtmp (I think) to > report users and status? Tedious, but perhaps you > can get the information from this via some clever > scripting from this file? > Sincerely, > Dave Hopkins > Newark Charter School> _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Mon Sep 27 20:57:28 2004 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 15:57:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Firewall Message-ID: <41587EB8.1010509@honeygroveisd.net> This may be a bit off topic, and if so I apologize for that. Our school is currently running a proprietary firewall, and it's no longer meeting out needs. I'd like to upgrade but, naturally, have very little in the way of budget. Can anyone recommend a solid firewall that provides stateful packet inspection, VPNs, IP Tunnels, multiple IP aliases and inbound and outbound packet filtering for about 500 -1000 concurrent connections? And, of course, if it's Free and Open Source, so much the better. I'm not asking for much, am I? -- C-ya, Mark ____ "Middle age is when you're faced with two temptations and you choose the one that will get you home by 9:00 p.m." -- Ronald Reagan From jkinz at kinz.org Mon Sep 27 21:02:54 2004 From: jkinz at kinz.org (Jeff Kinz) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 17:02:54 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] is there an app or logfile that... In-Reply-To: <41586FD1.7000303@paasda.org>; from dhuckaby@paasda.org on Mon, Sep 27, 2004 at 12:53:53PM -0700 References: <41586FD1.7000303@paasda.org> Message-ID: <20040927170253.A6396@redline.comcast.net> On Mon, Sep 27, 2004 at 12:53:53PM -0700, Huck wrote: > shows how long a user was logged on? Date/Time/Machinename > Yes- standard UNIX accounting tool, called "last" field 1 - user name field 2 - line they logged in on field 3 - hostname or IP they logged in from (ws001, 002 etc.. ) followed by the date and time followed by the length ofthe login in parens Here is output of last command: i##################################################################### root tty1 Sat Sep 18 07:40 still logged in reboot system boot 2.4.7-10enterpri Sat Sep 18 07:40 (9+09:17) jkinz pts/0 Wed Sep 15 14:40 - down (2+15:27) reboot system boot 2.4.7-10enterpri Wed Sep 15 14:38 (2+15:28) jkinz pts/2 pern Wed Sep 15 07:57 - crash (06:41) jkinz pts/2 red2 Sat Sep 4 16:10 - 16:23 (00:12) brownies pts/3 Wed Sep 1 12:59 - 13:02 (00:02) brownies pts/1 Wed Sep 1 12:59 - 13:02 (00:03) brownies pts/0 Wed Sep 1 12:59 - 13:02 (00:03) root tty2 Wed Sep 1 12:58 - crash (14+01:40) brown pts/5 Wed Sep 1 12:37 - 13:02 (00:24) brown pts/4 Wed Sep 1 12:37 - 13:02 (00:24) brown pts/3 Wed Sep 1 12:37 - 12:59 (00:22) brown pts/1 Wed Sep 1 12:37 - 12:59 (00:21) brown pts/0 Wed Sep 1 12:34 - 12:59 (00:24) brownies pts/3 Wed Sep 1 12:21 - 12:37 (00:16) jkinz pts/2 pern Wed Sep 1 12:17 - 14:44 (02:27) brownies pts/1 Wed Sep 1 12:11 - 12:37 (00:26) brownies pts/0 Wed Sep 1 12:04 - 12:34 (00:30) wtmp begins Wed Sep 1 12:04:05 2004 Here is quick hack script that looks for ws hostnames and counts up usage minutes: #!/bin/bash last | egrep "ws[0-9][0-9]*:0" | egrep "^ws" | awk '{print $10}' | sed -e 's/[(:)]/ /g' | awk '{cnt=cnt+1; tmin=(tmin + ($1 * 60 )); tmin=(tmin + $2 ); printf("Sessions: %d, Average length %6.2f minutes, Total minutes served %d.\n", cnt,(tmin/cnt),tmin);}' -- Linux/Open Source. Now all your base belongs to you, for free. ============================================================ Idealism: "Realism applied over a longer time period" Jeff Kinz, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. From jkinz at kinz.org Mon Sep 27 21:13:16 2004 From: jkinz at kinz.org (Jeff Kinz) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 17:13:16 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Firewall In-Reply-To: <41587EB8.1010509@honeygroveisd.net>; from cockrell@honeygroveisd.net on Mon, Sep 27, 2004 at 03:57:28PM -0500 References: <41587EB8.1010509@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <20040927171316.B6396@redline.comcast.net> On Mon, Sep 27, 2004 at 03:57:28PM -0500, Mark Cockrell wrote: > This may be a bit off topic, and if so I apologize for that. Our school > is currently running a proprietary firewall, and it's no longer meeting > out needs. I'd like to upgrade but, naturally, have very little in the > way of budget. Can anyone recommend a solid firewall that provides > stateful packet inspection, VPNs, IP Tunnels, multiple IP aliases and > inbound and outbound packet filtering for about 500 -1000 concurrent > connections? And, of course, if it's Free and Open Source, so much the > better. I'm not asking for much, am I? Hi Mark, Many commercial firewall appliances are simply Linux installed in a small box, running IPTables with some smart scripting around it, so yes, you can build a "nearly free" Linux based firewall system that will do all the things you mentioned above. Two Linux distros designed to do this, that I can think of off the top of my head are "ipcop' and "smoothwall" http://www.ipcop.org/ http://www.smoothwall.org/ I'm sure there are others as well. > -- Linux/Open Source. Now all your base belongs to you, for free. ============================================================ Idealism: "Realism applied over a longer time period" Jeff Kinz, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. From les at futuresource.com Mon Sep 27 21:18:48 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 16:18:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Firewall In-Reply-To: <41587EB8.1010509@honeygroveisd.net> References: <41587EB8.1010509@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <1096319928.1754.62.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2004-09-27 at 15:57, Mark Cockrell wrote: > This may be a bit off topic, and if so I apologize for that. Our school > is currently running a proprietary firewall, and it's no longer meeting > out needs. I'd like to upgrade but, naturally, have very little in the > way of budget. Can anyone recommend a solid firewall that provides > stateful packet inspection, VPNs, IP Tunnels, multiple IP aliases and > inbound and outbound packet filtering for about 500 -1000 concurrent > connections? And, of course, if it's Free and Open Source, so much the > better. I'm not asking for much, am I? *Any* current Linux distribution can do all of that for free. The hard part is deciding what to delete to make it just a firewall. If you want to run ftp/http servers and/or squid on the same box, look at what used to be the e-smith server. The free, unsupported version is now at http://www.contribs.org and a commercial version supported by Mitel is at http://www.e-smith.com. If you just want a firewall you could use the floppy based Coyote Linux (http://www.coyotelinux.com/) or the commercial wolverine version from the same place. Or there's the free run-from-cd firewall from http://www.devil-linux.org/home/index.php. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From cliebow at downeast.net Mon Sep 27 21:09:25 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 21:09:25 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] teachertool Message-ID: <200409272113.i8RLDBN26486@downeast.net> i added a button )thanks to chris johnson) and use it to see clients desktops..never did use the run button..chuck > I dl'd teachertool and checked it out... > seems really slick...I can view student's processes...and kill 'em or > log 'em off remotely... > > I was unable, however, to force run an application... > > I wanted to load a terminal session I presumed /usr/bin/xterm.... > and there was another in /opt/ltsp/i368/X11R6/bin/xterm I believe also... > but nothing that I tried would bring up any program...open > office...nothing... > > so was hoping one of you who've used it for this purpose might have some > insight. > > > Thanks, > > --Huck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From cliebow at downeast.net Mon Sep 27 21:13:56 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 21:13:56 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Client-Side Content Filtering Message-ID: <200409272117.i8RLHhN27015@downeast.net> yeah it is:sort of like asking bush supporters to keep their headlights onin the day and kerryites to keep their headlughts off at night.. > On Mon, 27 Sep 2004, Santiago, Nicholas wrote: > > > Does anyone know of a good Windoze-based client-side content filtering > > isn't "Good" and "Windoze" in the same sentence an oxymoron??? > > Bob > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary > safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob > NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net > NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers > NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right > *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# > THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be > privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From cliebow at downeast.net Mon Sep 27 21:15:38 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 21:15:38 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Firewall Message-ID: <200409272119.i8RLJPN27307@downeast.net> i use smoothwall alot..rhink it is quick and dirty but excellent..won't filter outgoing as a stock distro though.. --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From bear2bar at netscape.net Mon Sep 27 22:11:21 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 18:11:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] teachertool In-Reply-To: <200409272113.i8RLDBN26486@downeast.net> References: <200409272113.i8RLDBN26486@downeast.net> Message-ID: <41589009.7030906@netscape.net> Hi, Is that now part of TeacherTool ? I'd love to be able to view students desktop while there're working !!!! How do I get my hands on this improvement ??? thks norbert cliebow at downeast.net wrote: >i added a button )thanks to chris johnson) and use it to see clients >desktops..never did use the run button..chuck > > > >>I dl'd teachertool and checked it out... >>seems really slick...I can view student's processes...and kill 'em or >>log 'em off remotely... >> >>I was unable, however, to force run an application... >> >>I wanted to load a terminal session I presumed /usr/bin/xterm.... >>and there was another in /opt/ltsp/i368/X11R6/bin/xterm I believe also... >>but nothing that I tried would bring up any program...open >>office...nothing... >> >>so was hoping one of you who've used it for this purpose might have some >>insight. >> >> >>Thanks, >> >>--Huck >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > > >--------------------------------------------- >This message was sent from Downeast.Net. >http://ellsworthme.com/ > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Mon Sep 27 22:13:22 2004 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 15:13:22 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] teachertool In-Reply-To: <41589009.7030906@netscape.net> References: <200409272113.i8RLDBN26486@downeast.net> <41589009.7030906@netscape.net> Message-ID: Is that now part of TeacherTool ? I'd love to be able to view students desktop while there're working !!!! How do I get my hands on this improvement ??? =========== I second that request! Steve Hargadon From dhuckaby at paasda.org Mon Sep 27 22:31:07 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 15:31:07 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] teachertool In-Reply-To: References: <200409272113.i8RLDBN26486@downeast.net> <41589009.7030906@netscape.net> Message-ID: <415894AA.30700@paasda.org> apt-get install teachertool that's all I did... =) then right-click on desktop... create launcher... stuck in the path of the file...and voila... --Huck Steve Hargadon wrote: >Is that now part of TeacherTool ? I'd love to be able to view students >desktop while there're working !!!! How do I get my hands on this >improvement ??? > >=========== > >I second that request! > >Steve Hargadon > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From tim at litwiller.net Mon Sep 27 22:29:08 2004 From: tim at litwiller.net (Tim Litwiller) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 17:29:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Firewall In-Reply-To: <41587EB8.1010509@honeygroveisd.net> References: <41587EB8.1010509@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <41589434.8050708@litwiller.net> Mark Cockrell wrote: > This may be a bit off topic, and if so I apologize for that. Our > school is currently running a proprietary firewall, and it's no longer > meeting out needs. I'd like to upgrade but, naturally, have very > little in the way of budget. Can anyone recommend a solid firewall > that provides stateful packet inspection, VPNs, IP Tunnels, multiple > IP aliases and inbound and outbound packet filtering for about 500 > -1000 concurrent connections? And, of course, if it's Free and Open > Source, so much the better. I'm not asking for much, am I? > I haven't looked at the license for school use but I think censornet linux would do what you need. From cliebow at downeast.net Mon Sep 27 22:04:21 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 22:04:21 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] teachertool Message-ID: <200409272208.i8RM87N02991@downeast.net> i have a revised TeaCh2.py and a n executable called x11vncnew..plus my working notes..i have better written up..chuck..reply off list and i will ship em to you.. This is primordial stuff..We are working on it at ltsp-by-the-sea in November > apt-get install teachertool > > that's all I did... =) > then right-click on desktop... create launcher... > stuck in the path of the file...and voila... > > --Huck > > Steve Hargadon wrote: > > >Is that now part of TeacherTool ? I'd love to be able to view students > >desktop while there're working !!!! How do I get my hands on this > >improvement ??? > > > >=========== > >uff > >I second that request! > > > >Steve Hargadon > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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How do I get my hands on this > improvement ??? > > thks > norbert > > cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > > >i added a button )thanks to chris johnson) and use it to see clients > >desktops..never did use the run button..chuck > > > > > > > >>I dl'd teachertool and checked it out... > >>seems really slick...I can view student's processes...and kill 'em or > >>log 'em off remotely... > >> > >>I was unable, however, to force run an application... > >> > >>I wanted to load a terminal session I presumed /usr/bin/xterm.... > >>and there was another in /opt/ltsp/i368/X11R6/bin/xterm I believe also... > >>but nothing that I tried would bring up any program...open > >>office...nothing... > >> > >>so was hoping one of you who've used it for this purpose might have some > >>insight. > >> > >> > >>Thanks, > >> > >>--Huck > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>K12OSN mailing list > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>For more info see > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >--------------------------------------------- > >This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > >http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: vnc.txt URL: From bear2bar at netscape.net Mon Sep 27 23:32:35 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 19:32:35 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] teachertool In-Reply-To: <415894AA.30700@paasda.org> References: <200409272113.i8RLDBN26486@downeast.net> <41589009.7030906@netscape.net> <415894AA.30700@paasda.org> Message-ID: <4158A313.9050708@netscape.net> hmmmm well the install is straight BUT viewing the students desktop with TeacherTool is what I thought I'd seen ????? "i added a button )thanks to chris johnson) and use it to see clients" did I miss something ?? thks norbert desktops..never did use the run button..chuck dhuckaby at paasda.org wrote: > apt-get install teachertool > that's all I did... =) > then right-click on desktop... create launcher... > stuck in the path of the file...and voila... > > --Huck > > Steve Hargadon wrote: > >> Is that now part of TeacherTool ? I'd love to be able to view students >> desktop while there're working !!!! How do I get my hands on this >> improvement ??? >> >> =========== >> >> I second that request! >> Steve Hargadon >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From bear2bar at netscape.net Mon Sep 27 23:33:48 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 19:33:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] teachertool In-Reply-To: <200409272208.i8RM87N02991@downeast.net> References: <200409272208.i8RM87N02991@downeast.net> Message-ID: <4158A35C.7060300@netscape.net> Hi, Can I "roadtest your modification ? please.................................. thks norbert cliebow at downeast.net wrote: >i have a revised TeaCh2.py and a n executable called x11vncnew..plus my >working notes..i have better written up..chuck..reply off list and i will >ship em to you.. >This is primordial stuff..We are working on it at ltsp-by-the-sea in November > > > >>apt-get install teachertool >> >>that's all I did... =) >>then right-click on desktop... create launcher... >>stuck in the path of the file...and voila... >> >>--Huck >> >>Steve Hargadon wrote: >> >> >> >>>Is that now part of TeacherTool ? I'd love to be able to view students >>>desktop while there're working !!!! 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URL: From microman at cmosnetworks.com Mon Sep 27 23:36:31 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 19:36:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] switch advice: Netgear or 3com In-Reply-To: <4158540E.404@netscape.net> References: <092520041439.28157.415583310001B5E400006DFD22007347489C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> <4157ADAF.2060206@telus.net> <41581467.4060706@netscape.net> <4158247C.5020209@telus.net> <415833A0.80004@netscape.net> <1096304032.1465.5.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <41584B3E.4020005@netscape.net> <1096306802.1465.23.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <4158540E.404@netscape.net> Message-ID: <4158A3FF.9060207@cmosnetworks.com> I tend to agree with Norbert on this one. If the vendor's advertising "works with Linux" on their packaging, then I would expect the same functionality as, say, using the device in a Windows-based system, and the same level of support as for a Windows-based system. Les has a point about vendors teaching configuration, but I don't see that as the issue here. For example, I don't expect Cisco to teach me how to properly design a switched network. However, I do expect Cisco's switches to work with our preexisting boxes out there, of various types, including the Macs. One example: the Catalyst 3500XL works beautifully out of the box with DHCP-speaking Apple Macintoshes as well as with IBM-compats, like just about every other switch out there. However, the Catalyst 3550 does not! You have to do special tweaks to that switch to get it to work right w/ the Macs. This turned out to be a bug in the Catalyst 3550 IOS (I forget the bug ID--it's been over a year), which was fixed in subsequent IOS releases. Were Cisco, in this scenario, to have told us, "Oh, you've got to pay yet extra on top of the promised support since you're running Macs and not Windows PCs," then they'd have lost a big customer in a hurry. Never did they say that they made a special exception for Macs in any of their literature. If you say you work with a given product, then that means that you work with a given product, and unless otherwise explicitly told, the support needs to be the same for that product as the other ones that a vendor supports. I sure won't buy Netgear after hearing this. Amer.com is looking better and better...and they're quite familiar with K12LTSP already. --TP norbert wrote: > Hi Les, > > Normally I would agree, however when the problem is in the vendors > product I do expect them to support it without charge, and in this > case it was the routers firmware that was problematic. > Second if the package says "works with Linux" or .... hmm "Linux > friendly" then it is the vendors responsibility to provide initial > setup support when problems are encountered. I wasn't suggesting that > netgear should "teach" me or anyone how to do the configuration but > rather provide support with the configuration when the outlined > instructions don't work. > If, however, the issue is that the user can't connect a cable... then > that's totally different... :-D > > norbert > > les at futuresource.com wrote: > >>On Mon, 2004-09-27 at 12:17, norbert wrote: >> >> >>>The original reason that I had bought the netgear product was that the >>>literature & package both indicated that it worked with linux. >>>Needless to say I was extremely "!@#$%#@@###" when I learned that >>>linux support came at a price, since linux issues had to be escaladed >>>to their 2nd tier support & that level of support was not free! >>>I never got to considering a third party driver or application after >>>that response. >>> >>> >> >>Does any vendor teach you how to do configuration without some kind of >>support contract? I'm usually happy to see 'works with Linux' on the >>box and don't expect it to mean more than that. >> >>--- >> Les Mikesell >> les at futuresource.com >> >> >>________________________ >> From microman at cmosnetworks.com Mon Sep 27 23:59:41 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 19:59:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Firewall In-Reply-To: <41587EB8.1010509@honeygroveisd.net> References: <41587EB8.1010509@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <4158A96D.8010204@cmosnetworks.com> Mark Cockrell wrote: > This may be a bit off topic, and if so I apologize for that. Our > school is currently running a proprietary firewall, and it's no longer > meeting out needs. I'd like to upgrade but, naturally, have very > little in the way of budget. Can anyone recommend a solid firewall > that provides stateful packet inspection, VPNs, IP Tunnels, multiple > IP aliases and inbound and outbound packet filtering for about 500 > -1000 concurrent connections? And, of course, if it's Free and Open > Source, so much the better. I'm not asking for much, am I? > OpenBSD will do these things. Further, OpenBSD now has the ability to set up redundant, failover firewalls which actually keep state during the failover! Only the Cisco PIX, to my knowledge, was able to do this consistently, but the PIX is $20,000. OpenBSD's "secure by default" configuration and continuous, on-going code audit get high security marks in my book. It is free as in both speech and beer. As someone else previously mentioned, just about any GNU/Linux distribution will do it as well, sans stateful failover. If you're talking about 500-1000 "regular", unencrypted TCP connections, then virtually any Pentium II box with, say, 128MB DRAM will be somewhat overkill; a 32MB 486DX-33 will do the job. If, on the other hand, you mean 500-1000 VPN connections, then you'd better get the biggest, baddest, beefiest CPUs that you can possibly afford, and preferably more than one physical box like that. Personally, I'd be looking into hardware crypto acceleration at that point. If your powers that be dictate a proprietary solution, then a cisco router (a 2621 or higher) will also do these things, assuming three or four VPN users. Anything beyond that, I'd recommend the AIM-VPN/BP (or HP) crypto accelerator. --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From sudev at mantraonline.com Tue Sep 28 00:21:09 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 05:51:09 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Bottom post In-Reply-To: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0362E032@remail2.westat.com> References: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0362E032@remail2.westat.com> Message-ID: <1096330868.2790.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2004-09-28 at 00:27, Henry Hartley wrote: > Ken Meyer wrote: > > It appears that it's time for the annual rehash of this issue, which > > is apparently a "sine qua non" for all geek-oriented lists. So, my > > intuition is screaming to let this lie, as it too will pass; but > > apparently, I am going to ignore that internal advice yet again. > > What are you talking about? > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Roger > > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 7:59 AM > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Bottom post > > > > Around Mon,Sep 27 2004, at 10:45, Jay Pfaffman, wrote: > > > >> the conversation and don't need to see the quoted text (since they > >> just read the other message). Then it's a drag to have to scroll > >> down through the quoted text, which likely includes lots of stuff not > > > > Properly done, you would cut the lines of garbage that aren't > > relevant. Unlike top-posters that feel 80k of text is okay since it's > > down below. (no, yours wasn't 80k.) > > Oh, I see. Never mind. ;-) Beautifully and amply clarified. Viva le bottom(post) ;-0 -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From jam at mcquil.com Tue Sep 28 00:25:17 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 20:25:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Bottom post In-Reply-To: <1096330868.2790.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0362E032@remail2.westat.com> <1096330868.2790.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Sudev, Bottom posting, top posting, interleaved posting.... It's all fine. I just wish you would include a blank line between what you type, and the original text. It would make it soooo much easier to pick your reply out of the message. Thanks, Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Tue, 28 Sep 2004, Sudev Barar wrote: > On Tue, 2004-09-28 at 00:27, Henry Hartley wrote: > > Ken Meyer wrote: > > > It appears that it's time for the annual rehash of this issue, which > > > is apparently a "sine qua non" for all geek-oriented lists. So, my > > > intuition is screaming to let this lie, as it too will pass; but > > > apparently, I am going to ignore that internal advice yet again. > > > > What are you talking about? > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Roger > > > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 7:59 AM > > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Bottom post > > > > > > Around Mon,Sep 27 2004, at 10:45, Jay Pfaffman, wrote: > > > > > >> the conversation and don't need to see the quoted text (since they > > >> just read the other message). Then it's a drag to have to scroll > > >> down through the quoted text, which likely includes lots of stuff not > > > > > > Properly done, you would cut the lines of garbage that aren't > > > relevant. Unlike top-posters that feel 80k of text is okay since it's > > > down below. (no, yours wasn't 80k.) > > > > Oh, I see. Never mind. ;-) > Beautifully and amply clarified. > Viva le bottom(post) ;-0 > -- > Sudev Barar > Learning Linux > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From haysja at sages.us Tue Sep 28 00:27:04 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 19:27:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Firewall In-Reply-To: <41589434.8050708@litwiller.net> References: <41587EB8.1010509@honeygroveisd.net> <41589434.8050708@litwiller.net> Message-ID: <1096331224.4158afd8c60b4@sages.us> > Mark Cockrell wrote: > > > This may be a bit off topic, and if so I apologize for that. Our > > school is currently running a proprietary firewall, and it's no longer > > meeting out needs. I'd like to upgrade but, naturally, have very > > little in the way of budget. Can anyone recommend a solid firewall > > that provides stateful packet inspection, VPNs, IP Tunnels, multiple > > IP aliases and inbound and outbound packet filtering for about 500 > > -1000 concurrent connections? And, of course, if it's Free and Open > > Source, so much the better. I'm not asking for much, am I? > > > Have you looked at IPCop? From sudev at mantraonline.com Tue Sep 28 01:01:43 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 06:31:43 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Bottom post In-Reply-To: References: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0362E032@remail2.westat.com> <1096330868.2790.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1096333303.2790.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2004-09-28 at 05:55, Jim McQuillan wrote: > I just wish you would include a blank line between what you type, and > the original text. > > It would make it soooo much easier to pick your reply out of the > message. > > Thanks, > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org One learns, will do. ;-) -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From jam at mcquil.com Tue Sep 28 01:07:06 2004 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 21:07:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Bottom post In-Reply-To: <1096333303.2790.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0362E032@remail2.westat.com> <1096330868.2790.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1096333303.2790.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Tue, 28 Sep 2004, Sudev Barar wrote: > On Tue, 2004-09-28 at 05:55, Jim McQuillan wrote: > > I just wish you would include a blank line between what you type, and > > the original text. > > > > It would make it soooo much easier to pick your reply out of the > > message. > > > > Thanks, > > Jim McQuillan > > jam at Ltsp.org > > One learns, will do. ;-) Now yer cookin :) Very easy to read. Now, maybe we can put this thread to bed, and get on with our quest for total world domination :) Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org From les at futuresource.com Tue Sep 28 01:35:30 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 20:35:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] switch advice: Netgear or 3com In-Reply-To: <4158A3FF.9060207@cmosnetworks.com> References: <092520041439.28157.415583310001B5E400006DFD22007347489C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> <4157ADAF.2060206@telus.net> <41581467.4060706@netscape.net> <4158247C.5020209@telus.net> <415833A0.80004@netscape.net> <1096304032.1465.5.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <41584B3E.4020005@netscape.net> <1096306802.1465.23.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <4158540E.404@netscape.net> <4158A3FF.9060207@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <1096335330.7002.6.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2004-09-27 at 18:36, "Terrell Prud??, Jr." wrote: > Were Cisco, in this scenario, to have told us, "Oh, you've got to pay > yet extra on top of the promised support since you're running Macs and > not Windows PCs," then they'd have lost a big customer in a hurry. Yes, but Cisco doesn't give free support to anybody. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Sep 28 02:18:20 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 22:18:20 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] switch advice: Netgear or 3com In-Reply-To: <1096335330.7002.6.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <092520041439.28157.415583310001B5E400006DFD22007347489C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> <4157ADAF.2060206@telus.net> <41581467.4060706@netscape.net> <4158247C.5020209@telus.net> <415833A0.80004@netscape.net> <1096304032.1465.5.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <41584B3E.4020005@netscape.net> <1096306802.1465.23.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <4158540E.404@netscape.net> <4158A3FF.9060207@cmosnetworks.com> <1096335330.7002.6.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <4158C9EC.8030006@cmosnetworks.com> Les Mikesell wrote: >On Mon, 2004-09-27 at 18:36, "Terrell Prud??, Jr." wrote: > > >>Were Cisco, in this scenario, to have told us, "Oh, you've got to pay >>yet extra on top of the promised support since you're running Macs and >>not Windows PCs," then they'd have lost a big customer in a hurry. >> >> > >Yes, but Cisco doesn't give free support to anybody. > >--- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > I agree, if you're referring to phone support. Catalyst 35x0 IOS is, though, free as in beer to download from their WWW site. However, the fact that Cisco doesn't give free phone support is not the point. Rather, it's that they follow what they do agree to. Cisco states that any computer that's 10BaseT, 100BaseTX, or 1000BaseX (specifically SX, LX, or T) will work with their Catalyst 3500XL and 3550 switches. My district agreed to those terms when we bought Cisco gear and got SMARTnet. If Cisco were to then turn around and say, "OK, *on top of what we've already agreed to with your SMARTnet*, you've got to pay yet extra for us to talk to you if you've got Macs on our switches", then this would be equivalent to what Norbert is experiencing with Netgear. Fortunately, Cisco didn't do that. :-) The point is, Netgear claimed that their stuff was Linux-friendly, and apparently it isn't without having to go through a bunch of hoops. Therefore, that means it isn't Linux-friendly. They mis-represented their product, which is supposed to work with Linux, with what comes in the box, with a reasonable expectation of not having to nearly become a kernel hacker (slight exaggeration, I'm sure, but it sounds like that's not too far off). If I were Norbert, I'd take that Netgear equipment back and get a refund, then buy something from a company that supports their customers like they say they will. This is the kind of vendor shenanigan for which we should be watching, and we should then vote with our dollars. I sure do. --TP From pfaffman at gmail.com Tue Sep 28 02:28:39 2004 From: pfaffman at gmail.com (Jay Pfaffman) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 22:28:39 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Bottom post In-Reply-To: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E2820509F1@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> References: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E2820509F1@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> Message-ID: <9326098004092719285e5f487@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 13:25:26 -0500, David H. Barr wrote: > And the answer for many of you Outlook users is (perhaps) QuoteFix > (http://jump.to/outlook-quotefix). I didn't think that anyone who had the time and energy to install software used Outlook. -- Jay Pfaffman Asst Professor of Instructional Technology, U. TN, Knoxville Experimenting with gmail, please honor the Reply-To From bear2bar at netscape.net Tue Sep 28 02:51:40 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 22:51:40 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] switch advice: Netgear or 3com In-Reply-To: <4158C9EC.8030006@cmosnetworks.com> References: <092520041439.28157.415583310001B5E400006DFD22007347489C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> <4157ADAF.2060206@telus.net> <41581467.4060706@netscape.net> <4158247C.5020209@telus.net> <415833A0.80004@netscape.net> <1096304032.1465.5.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <41584B3E.4020005@netscape.net> <1096306802.1465.23.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <4158540E.404@netscape.net> <4158A3FF.9060207@cmosnetworks.com> <1096335330.7002.6.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <4158C9EC.8030006@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <4158D1BC.3080800@netscape.net> Hi Terrell, Actually I sold it to a Windows user, but not before advising netgear that I would never buy/recommend/use their products again and much to my surprise they ignored me..... =-O :-D :-D :-D norbert microman at cmosnetworks.com wrote: > Les Mikesell wrote: > >> On Mon, 2004-09-27 at 18:36, "Terrell Prud??, Jr." wrote: >> >> >>> Were Cisco, in this scenario, to have told us, "Oh, you've got to >>> pay yet extra on top of the promised support since you're running >>> Macs and not Windows PCs," then they'd have lost a big customer in a >>> hurry. >> >> >> Yes, but Cisco doesn't give free support to anybody. >> >> --- >> Les Mikesell >> les at futuresource.com >> >> > > I agree, if you're referring to phone support. Catalyst 35x0 IOS is, > though, free as in beer to download from their WWW site. > > However, the fact that Cisco doesn't give free phone support is not > the point. Rather, it's that they follow what they do agree to. > Cisco states that any computer that's 10BaseT, 100BaseTX, or 1000BaseX > (specifically SX, LX, or T) will work with their Catalyst 3500XL and > 3550 switches. My district agreed to those terms when we bought Cisco > gear and got SMARTnet. If Cisco were to then turn around and say, > "OK, *on top of what we've already agreed to with your SMARTnet*, > you've got to pay yet extra for us to talk to you if you've got Macs > on our switches", then this would be equivalent to what Norbert is > experiencing with Netgear. Fortunately, Cisco didn't do that. :-) > > > The point is, Netgear claimed that their stuff was Linux-friendly, and > apparently it isn't without having to go through a bunch of hoops. > Therefore, that means it isn't Linux-friendly. They mis-represented > their product, which is supposed to work with Linux, with what comes > in the box, with a reasonable expectation of not having to nearly > become a kernel hacker (slight exaggeration, I'm sure, but it sounds > like that's not too far off). If I were Norbert, I'd take that > Netgear equipment back and get a refund, then buy something from a > company that supports their customers like they say they will. > > This is the kind of vendor shenanigan for which we should be watching, > and we should then vote with our dollars. I sure do. > > --TP > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see >> From goblin at scooter.co.nz Tue Sep 28 02:53:45 2004 From: goblin at scooter.co.nz (goblin at scooter.co.nz) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 14:53:45 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS thru firewall on FC2. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4158D239.8020500@scooter.co.nz> Peter Van den Wildenbergh wrote: > > >>Hmm...one of the problems is that NFS can pick any port above UDP 2049. >>You use UDP 111 to head over to the portmapper service, yes, but then >>portmapper takes over and maps the specific service (in this case, NFS) >>over to some random UDP port per the above. Perhaps this will help.... http://www.troubleshooters.com/lpm/200305/200305.htm#_A_Somewhat_Practical_Server_Firewall mRgOBLIN From bear2bar at netscape.net Tue Sep 28 02:53:55 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 22:53:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Bottom post In-Reply-To: <9326098004092719285e5f487@mail.gmail.com> References: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E2820509F1@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> <9326098004092719285e5f487@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4158D243.6040500@netscape.net> Hi, Unfortunately Outlook comes as part of Microsoft Office ............... hmm well after some thought I should say fortunately !!! since it's a great "backdoor" opening for hackers.... not that I would hack anything .... norbert pfaffman at gmail.com wrote: >On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 13:25:26 -0500, David H. Barr wrote: > > >>And the answer for many of you Outlook users is (perhaps) QuoteFix >>(http://jump.to/outlook-quotefix). >> >> > >I didn't think that anyone who had the time and energy to install >software used Outlook. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Sep 28 03:13:44 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 23:13:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] MS Outlook coming with MS Office In-Reply-To: <4158D243.6040500@netscape.net> References: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E2820509F1@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> <9326098004092719285e5f487@mail.gmail.com> <4158D243.6040500@netscape.net> Message-ID: <4158D6E8.9010900@cmosnetworks.com> On the subject of MS Outlook and MS Office, there's a great way to introduce Free/Open Source Software to those still wedded to Microsoft Windows. Instead of loading MS Office, you can install OpenOffice.org and Mozilla Firefox/Thunderbird on their 32-bit Windows boxes and say that it's a needed "security fix". Only later down the road do you clue them in that they're not using MS Office. :-) And, of course, you rename the "Mozilla Firefox" icon to "Netscape". The Thunderbird suggestion assumes, of course, that you're not using MS Exchange Server as your mail server. To my knowledge, Evolution, with its now-GPL'd MS Exchange Connector, hasn't yet been ported to Win32, and I personally don't know of any plans to do so (there may be, I just don't know them). If you are using Exchange Server, then the bosses'll probably expect and demand Outlook...but OpenOffice.org and Firefox can still be options, and a good intro. I am using exactly this strategy now with a customer of mine. Several of their XP boxes have OO.o, Tbird, and Firefox. The boss has also installed MS Office, since he's paranoid about file compatibility, but his chief lieutenant has only OO.o and doesn't really know the difference. Said lieutenant is, though, absolutely tickled pink that his box is just as junk-free and fast today as it was 4-5 months ago when I rebuilt it (it was really, really bad!). This will take time, but with patience, I see the eventual result. :-) --TP norbert wrote: > Hi, > > Unfortunately Outlook comes as part of Microsoft Office > ............... hmm well after some thought I should say fortunately > !!! since it's a great "backdoor" opening for hackers.... not that I > would hack anything .... > > norbert > > pfaffman at gmail.com wrote: > >>On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 13:25:26 -0500, David H. Barr wrote: >> >> >>>And the answer for many of you Outlook users is (perhaps) QuoteFix >>>(http://jump.to/outlook-quotefix). >>> >>> >> >>I didn't think that anyone who had the time and energy to install >>software used Outlook. >> >> From pfaffman at gmail.com Tue Sep 28 03:26:57 2004 From: pfaffman at gmail.com (Jay Pfaffman) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 23:26:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Bottom post In-Reply-To: <20040927114133.A4375@redline.comcast.net> References: <1095833051.27383.4.camel@server.ltsp> <9326098004092707456d1fc0b6@mail.gmail.com> <20040927114133.A4375@redline.comcast.net> Message-ID: <9326098004092720267c359fce@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 11:41:33 -0400, Jeff Kinz wrote: > I'm sorry Jay, Sudev is correct about email posting to a list. I haven't found a mailing list worth subscribing to for years (though k12osn is an exception, for now at least). When I was last an avid list user (I used to run NCTE-TALK with 600 users and 50 messages/day on a UUCP link), I'd have agreed wholeheartedly. I must say that I'm surprised how much ire the issue raises. > On Mon, Sep 27, 2004 at 10:45:08AM -0400, Jay Pfaffman wrote: > > It's not clear that everyone (or even most people) prefers to see > > reponses below the quoted text. > > If you take a look at all the other email lists hosted by RedHat (Like > this one is) You will see that bottom posting is the universal > preference on their lists (as well as most other non-trivial lists) > (you get your bottom roasted for top posting on some of them!) I guess I"ve been away from the geeks for too long. I've heard from several Normal People that they find this kind of interleaving (which seems both sensible and polite to me) annoying. But I may have forgotten that this list isn't populated by Normal People. > Bottom posting (interleaving) on email lists is a matter of basic > courtesy for your fellow list members. Not doing it shows a distinct > lack of regard for their time, effort and value. I agree that people's time, effort and value are most important. I'm frequently enraged by tech folks who don't take into account the fact that (for instance) by saving an hour (or week) of their time they waste a minute or two of 20,000 people's time every single day. (For example, see http://learn.occ.utk.edu/~pfaffman/rants/webmail.html.) > Here's why: > When posting to an email list you are "conversing" with hundreds of > other people who are following multiple threads of "conversation" > simultaneously Right. > and therefore cannot follow the thread of your > conversation unless the dialog is presented in the correct order with > context. That's not clear. As others have pointed out, folks who care about the thread probably can follow the threat without re-reading stuff. > Top posting forces the many to hunt up and down in the email to find the > points being referred to so they can follow the flow of the logic in the > "conversation". Not necessarily. It's often quite possible to top-post and provide an answer that makes sense on its own. A response like this, however, would make no sense either as a top-post or a bottom-post, as too much of it is conversational. I think a top-posted response which is thoughtful enough to stand alone is preferable in many cases and impossible in others. > So, your lack of effort is multiplied and transferred to many many other > people who really shouldn't have to make up for your lack of effort. Agreed. > Email is not a real time activity, most people are not following the > conversation as it is posted. Many people do the right thing and > research an issue before they ask about it and read the thread in the > mail list archives. They need bottom posting. No, they're reading the archives and it's pretty easy to get the context from following the thread. I don't think they're the ones who we're worried about. We're worried about the folks who are reading a large percentage of the messages, not those who "participate" by reading only 5 or 10. > > Then it's a drag to have to scroll down > > through the quoted text, which likely includes lots of stuff not > > concerning the conversation at hand and a 15 line signature. > > That is not bottom posting. That is stone cold laziness. Agreed. > If you have to > to scroll past anyone's sig to read a response then don't bother. And if someone isn't going to vote for they clearly don't have anything useful to say. > > But all that to say that I've started reading this list using gmail, > > Very few people have gmail, and many won't use it at all due to > privacy concerns. Agreed. > Indeed, the more technically sophisticated the > person, the less likely they are to use gmail or any form of web-mail. I consider myself a more technically sophisticated person. I've been using Linux on my desktop since before Redhat was around. I had to hack sendmail and listproc to run NCTE-TALK. I (usually) live in emacs (the One True Editor). I abhor attachments. Don't get me started on the abomination which is HTML in email. People use webmail only because the people who run their mail servers have their own computers and don't provide a convenient way for people who use primarly public (lab) computer to have access to their email because they don't respect their users' time (a concern that we share). (These same system administrators thing that FTP is an acceptable substitute for native file sharing.) Webmail, because it lives in a web browser, can't be as good as a native application. I hate webmail. Gmail uses Javascript (which I hate in principle because it's browser specific) to overcome an incredible number of webmail's shortcomings *and* provides a remarkable number of affordances that I haven't seen in any mail reader (and, from what I remember of newsreaders, as NN and trn seem to have gone away). Unlike newsreaders gmail keeps previously read articles available in a thread in a way that's unobtrusive but still accessible. (I don't trust gmail enough to actually use it for everything, but it's better than I remember newsreaders being for reading lists & in some ways better than my previous system of archiving mail (OK I still keep every message I send or receive in saved-messages or sent-mail that's renamed each month to saved-messages-Mon-year, but I've taken to searching with gmail rather than Pine)). > > and since it keeps conversations grouped together (the way a good > > newsreader did in the days before Spammers destroyed USENET) quoted > > text is largely unneccessary. > > Ahem - USENET is where bottom posting originated. Yes. And, sadly, USENET is dead. > You can take a vote if you want. I can tell you exactly how the votes break > down: Newbies new to technical email lists want top posting. People who > have been using technical lists a while prefer "bottom posting". The > core issue is courtesy. (In the form of respect for people's time) I may be a newbie. (And that's not sarcastic, I may have been hanging out with non-technical people too much to know how to properly participate in a technical list.) > This issue was discussed passionately many times in the early days of > the Internet and the final consensus was that bottom posting, > (Interleaving), had the greatest good for the greatest number. It's not clear to me that bottom posting and interleaving are the same thing. Neither is it clear to me that the answer won't change. (But I still agree that frequently arguing the issue is a waste of time.) > People's time is important. a properly formatted email response > on an email list includes no extra garbage and does not require anyone > to scroll down to start reading the response. Wait. If I have someone else's text at the top of my message aren't I scrolling down to read the message? > Only enough of the original email should be included to provide the > context which the response applies to. So called "bottom posting" is > misnamed. Oh. I think we agree on the important points. Anyway, if you've read this far and beat my students to the request, I'll send you a gmail invite. -- Jay Pfaffman Asst Professor of Instructional Technology, U. TN, Knoxville Experimenting with gmail, please honor the Reply-To From roger.in.eugene at gmail.com Tue Sep 28 03:46:19 2004 From: roger.in.eugene at gmail.com (Roger Morris) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 20:46:19 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Bottom post In-Reply-To: <9326098004092720267c359fce@mail.gmail.com> References: <1095833051.27383.4.camel@server.ltsp> <9326098004092707456d1fc0b6@mail.gmail.com> <20040927114133.A4375@redline.comcast.net> <9326098004092720267c359fce@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <69b790a804092720465263f3cb@mail.gmail.com> > Anyway, if you've read this far and beat my students to the request, > I'll send you a gmail invite. > I've got 4 also if anybody's interested.. From kmeyer at blarg.net Tue Sep 28 04:21:09 2004 From: kmeyer at blarg.net (Ken Meyer) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 21:21:09 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Bottom post In-Reply-To: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0362E032@remail2.westat.com> Message-ID: 1) The top vs. bottom post thread is certain to recur, apparently especially on lists inhabited by computer-centric persons 2) sine qua non => something essential; ergo, this recurrence is an essential aspect of such lists (maybe for the mental well-being of the CCP's) 3) I should ignore the thread because it will go away, but my compulsion to confront this issue is, sadly, as irresistible as anyone else's is to raise it repeatedly and fruitlessly, because everyone will do as they damn well please anyway 4) If posting in HTML, a truly noxious practice, cannot be suppressed, this much less critical issue is not going anywhere. 5) Nevertheless, when someone tells me that it's "obvious" that I am doing something wrong, when a conscientious career in developing logical solutions can identify no more than a fielder's choice level of determinism, hackles start to go up. Kabish, Henry? Ken M. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Henry Hartley Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 11:58 AM To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Bottom post Ken Meyer wrote: > It appears that it's time for the annual rehash of this issue, which > is apparently a "sine qua non" for all geek-oriented lists. So, my > intuition is screaming to let this lie, as it too will pass; but > apparently, I am going to ignore that internal advice yet again. What are you talking about? > -----Original Message----- > > From: Roger > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 7:59 AM > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Bottom post > > Around Mon,Sep 27 2004, at 10:45, Jay Pfaffman, wrote: > >> the conversation and don't need to see the quoted text (since they >> just read the other message). Then it's a drag to have to scroll >> down through the quoted text, which likely includes lots of stuff not > > Properly done, you would cut the lines of garbage that aren't > relevant. Unlike top-posters that feel 80k of text is okay since it's > down below. (no, yours wasn't 80k.) Oh, I see. Never mind. ;-) -- Henry _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From les at futuresource.com Tue Sep 28 05:32:13 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 00:32:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] switch advice: Netgear or 3com In-Reply-To: <4158C9EC.8030006@cmosnetworks.com> References: <092520041439.28157.415583310001B5E400006DFD22007347489C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> <4157ADAF.2060206@telus.net> <41581467.4060706@netscape.net> <4158247C.5020209@telus.net> <415833A0.80004@netscape.net> <1096304032.1465.5.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <41584B3E.4020005@netscape.net> <1096306802.1465.23.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <4158540E.404@netscape.net> <4158A3FF.9060207@cmosnetworks.com> <1096335330.7002.6.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <4158C9EC.8030006@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <1096349532.7501.17.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2004-09-27 at 21:18, "Terrell Prud??, Jr." wrote: > I agree, if you're referring to phone support. Catalyst 35x0 IOS is, > though, free as in beer to download from their WWW site. Unless they have changed things recently, access to the IOS images requires a login, and registering for the login requires a smartnet contract. Netgear, on the other hand actually has open downloads, and I didn't notice anything that would have stopped me from downloading to a Linux box. > If Cisco were to then turn around and say, "OK, > *on top of what we've already agreed to with your SMARTnet*, you've got > to pay yet extra for us to talk to you if you've got Macs on our > switches", then this would be equivalent to what Norbert is experiencing > with Netgear. Fortunately, Cisco didn't do that. :-) I thought he said it was a firmware issue. I take firmware updates as a necessary evil even from the best of vendors and just assume that anything I buy is going to need it. These days most can be done from a Linux box although the vendor may not know that or be able to tell you how. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From l.maslany at jmc.ac.uk Tue Sep 28 11:58:08 2004 From: l.maslany at jmc.ac.uk (Luke Maslany) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 12:58:08 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Remote X Session from Windows XP Client Message-ID: <8F057578D21DBA4BB0CF32013A87ACED05F5C3@x-serv1.admin.jmc.ac.uk> I'm a network engineer (in title, if not in pay...) at a small FE/HE college and I have been tasked with introducing Linux to the student network. While I have successfully managed to get a Linux box up and working (with quite a bit of help from this list!), it would appear that the tutors would prefer a graphical interface, rather than the nice command line I have provided them with. At present, we use RIS to deploy Microsoft images to the workstations, so changing the DHCP settings to boot from an LTSP box is not really viable. In addition, I am reluctant to let students boot from removable media, so floppy disks (and equivalents) are also ruled out. Until I manage to convince everyone to try a wholesale move to Linux, I am looking for a solution to allow users to run a remote X session from within Windows XP. Any help or advice on were to find such information (or even a detailed step-by-step guide!) would be very much appreciated. Luke Maslany -------------------------------- Luke Maslany Network Engineer Josiah Mason College l.maslany at jmc.ac.uk -------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thomas Paine From azrich at earthlink.net Tue Sep 28 05:40:24 2004 From: azrich at earthlink.net (Jim Rich) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 05:40:24 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Equipment for Tucson Message-ID: Dear friends (posted also to ltsp-discuss) The school that I volunteer at closed and the installed LTSP system has been dismantled. If anyone in the Tucson Arizona area is interested in setting up an LTSP system for a school, I have some of the equipment. Clients available are Compaq 166 MHz w/64 Meg of ram, monitor, keyboard and mouse. Please only those who are setting up or expanding a current system (read no salvagers) reply off-list. After Sep 30 I will dispose of them myself. Jim Rich reply to: azrich at earthlink.net From lsrpm at mts.net Tue Sep 28 13:13:06 2004 From: lsrpm at mts.net (Liam Marshall) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 08:13:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] CPU or Memory In-Reply-To: <4156E79A.30706@mts.net> References: <1096172316.6098.22.camel@server.ltsp> <4156CB85.2030100@lqt.ca> <4156E79A.30706@mts.net> Message-ID: <41596362.3060606@mts.net> Liam Marshall wrote: > Paul Pianta wrote: > >> Liam Marshall wrote: >> >>> So now, instead of changing two things, cpus and memory, I basically >>> have a dual cpu machine, and 2.5 GB. I plan to try out the system >>> under >>> load with the students on Monday, seeing as how I have no choice. >>> Replacement ram will take at least a week to arrive. By the end of the >>> day on Monday I will know whether doubling the cpu's solved the entire >>> issue. If it does, I will get my money back for the ram and leave >>> it at >>> that. If it helps, but not enough, I will go for the ram to >>> >>> If anyone is interested I will post results Monday night. >>> >>> >> I'm interested! I am also interested in knowing what kind of setup >> you have network-wise. Do you have: >> hub/switch? >> standard switch/Gig-E switch? >> 10Mbit/100Mbit/1000Mbit cards? >> >> Tuxtype is graphics intensive and therefore *very* bandwidth >> intensive. It is normal that there is a slowdown with lots of clients >> using tuxtype at the same time ... >> >> but I'm still interested in the OO results :) >> >> pantz >> > > 3 - regular 10/100 switches each with a wire running to an 8 port > router, both lines from the server go into this router. All nics are > 10/100's > > Can't afford gig-e switches > >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > cpus are running fine. during program start, (OO or other) cpu usage spikes but then settles down. It is entirely livable as is, without the extra ram. Only problem now is things like Tux Type and Tux Math. They seem to bog down system horribly. They are graphics intensive, but as everything else is acceptable, why them? 10/100 nics everywhere, and 10/100 switches. Because of the server motherboard switch, 1 of its nics is a Gig one, but it is plugging into a 10/100 switch so is unused to its potential Question. Will getting a Gig switch that the server will plug into, along with a line from the other 10/100 switches do anything? I mean, if only the server has Gig nic, what good would it accomplish if I cannot afford to put gig switches and nics everywhere? I have truly blown the budget for this year. I might be able to squeeze out a small gig switch, but what good is it? From haysja at sages.us Tue Sep 28 13:28:39 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 08:28:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] MS Outlook coming with MS Office In-Reply-To: <4158D6E8.9010900@cmosnetworks.com> References: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E2820509F1@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> <9326098004092719285e5f487@mail.gmail.com> <4158D243.6040500@netscape.net> <4158D6E8.9010900@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <41596707.6010108@sages.us> When I have a problem here at our schools with Spyware and Viruses on a machine, I remove Outlook (Lookout?) Express and replace it with Thunderbird and remove the IE icons and replace with Firefox. Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > On the subject of MS Outlook and MS Office, there's a great way to > introduce Free/Open Source Software to those still wedded to Microsoft > Windows. Instead of loading MS Office, you can install OpenOffice.org > and Mozilla Firefox/Thunderbird on their 32-bit Windows boxes and say > that it's a needed "security fix". Only later down the road do you > clue them in that they're not using MS Office. :-) And, of course, > you rename the "Mozilla Firefox" icon to "Netscape". > > The Thunderbird suggestion assumes, of course, that you're not using > MS Exchange Server as your mail server. To my knowledge, Evolution, > with its now-GPL'd MS Exchange Connector, hasn't yet been ported to > Win32, and I personally don't know of any plans to do so (there may > be, I just don't know them). If you are using Exchange Server, then > the bosses'll probably expect and demand Outlook...but OpenOffice.org > and Firefox can still be options, and a good intro. > > I am using exactly this strategy now with a customer of mine. Several > of their XP boxes have OO.o, Tbird, and Firefox. The boss has also > installed MS Office, since he's paranoid about file compatibility, but > his chief lieutenant has only OO.o and doesn't really know the > difference. Said lieutenant is, though, absolutely tickled pink that > his box is just as junk-free and fast today as it was 4-5 months ago > when I rebuilt it (it was really, really bad!). This will take time, > but with patience, I see the eventual result. :-) > > --TP > > norbert wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Unfortunately Outlook comes as part of Microsoft Office >> ............... hmm well after some thought I should say fortunately >> !!! since it's a great "backdoor" opening for hackers.... not that I >> would hack anything .... >> >> norbert >> >> pfaffman at gmail.com wrote: >> >>> On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 13:25:26 -0500, David H. Barr >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> And the answer for many of you Outlook users is (perhaps) QuoteFix >>>> (http://jump.to/outlook-quotefix). >>> >>> >>> I didn't think that anyone who had the time and energy to install >>> software used Outlook. >>> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From sjsj at freespace.net Tue Sep 28 15:43:46 2004 From: sjsj at freespace.net (Steve James) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 16:43:46 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Bottom post In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <415986B2.40306@freespace.net> >4) If posting in HTML, a truly noxious practice, cannot be suppressed, this >much less critical issue is not going anywhere. > > > I got such a roasting for doing that on the 1st list I joined (Linux users). Thing is I didn't even know my email was being sent as HTML such was my ignorance of email formats; I thought only Hotmail used HTML back then. I learned all about formats that day . I noticed today that even Mozilla Thunderbird has its default email format as HTML. Steve From cwt137 at yahoo.com Tue Sep 28 16:02:00 2004 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 09:02:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Remote X Session from Windows XP Client In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040928160200.72683.qmail@web12104.mail.yahoo.com> The standard cygwin install with x-windows is real big. There was a project on Sourceforge called winxterm that was a minimalist cygwin x-server. I grabed the files off their site before the project went under. here is the link: http://www.chris-thomas.org/winxterm/ First install the cygwin and then the x-server. then configure the winxterm.sh file for your server's IP. Edit the shortcut so it points to the right directories and stuff. I use winxterm all the time to connect to my k12 box when im on windows. --- Jim Wildman wrote: > On Tue, 28 Sep 2004, Luke Maslany wrote: > > > Until I manage to convince everyone to try a > wholesale move to Linux, I > > am looking for a solution to allow users to run a > remote X session from > > within Windows XP. > > http://www.cygwin.com > > Then use gdmconf to enable remote xdmcp connections > to your Linux box. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Jim Wildman, CISSP, RHCE jim at rossberry.com > http://www.rossberry.com > "Society in every state is a blessing, but > Government, even in its best > state, is a necessary evil; in its worst state, an > intolerable one." > Thomas Paine > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From bear2bar at netscape.net Tue Sep 28 15:34:46 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 11:34:46 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] dansguardian Message-ID: <41598496.6020103@netscape.net> Hi, I need help.... (no not psychiatric ... yet) I have squis & dansguardian active on my system with the configured files for blocking and lists yet websites are not being filtered ???? Ideas or suggestions as to how to check and fix this? thks norbert -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bmabbott at riverdale.k12.or.us Tue Sep 28 16:19:10 2004 From: bmabbott at riverdale.k12.or.us (Ben Mabbott) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 09:19:10 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] CPU or Memory In-Reply-To: <41596362.3060606@mts.net> References: <1096172316.6098.22.camel@server.ltsp> <4156CB85.2030100@lqt.ca> <4156E79A.30706@mts.net> <41596362.3060606@mts.net> Message-ID: <41598EFE.7070500@riverdale.k12.or.us> Liam Marshall wrote: > Question. Will getting a Gig switch that the server will plug into, > along with a line from the other 10/100 switches do anything? I mean, > if only the server has Gig nic, what good would it accomplish if I > cannot afford to put gig switches and nics everywhere? I have truly > blown the budget for this year. I might be able to squeeze out a > small gig switch, but what good is it? It makes a big difference for graphics intensive apps like Tux Type. Each session of an app like that is going to use somewhere in the neighborhood of 70mbit. If the server only has a 100mbit connection to the switch, just one user running Tux Type will eat up almost all of the server's upstream bandwidth. Gigabit to the switch gives the server a lot more bandwidth, and thus it can handle more sessions of an app like that without slowing to a crawl. The clients themselves don't need gigabit because they're not going to be using more than 100mbit. If you have 10 clients running Tux Type, the server needs up to 700mbit to keep up with the load, but each client is only using 70mbit, so a 100mbit connection is more than enough. The pipe to a client only needs to be able to handle the traffic going to that one client, the pipe to the server needs to be able to handle the traffic going to *every* client. Apps like Tux Type are an extreme example, but every program that a client is running is using some bandwidth, and with a lab of 30 clients it can max out a 100mbit connection pretty quick. Gigabit between the server and the switch is always a good idea if you have the option. -Ben From lsrpm at mts.net Tue Sep 28 16:23:20 2004 From: lsrpm at mts.net (Liam Marshall) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 11:23:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] TeacherTool Message-ID: <1096388600.2606.4.camel@server.ltsp> I love the idea of TeacherTool, especially for killing runaway processes. But when I run the TeacherTool.py off the Yorktown site on my system, the users are all listed as x11 at 39323 xll at 39325 xll at ..... what is that? I would prefer a list of users. I can't find any correspondance between x11 at something and my usernames and viewing processes button gives error that "ps: error: User name does not exist" I would kill to use this tool. Please help I do not understand enough of the python language yet to figure how the usernames are being populated From lsrpm at mts.net Tue Sep 28 16:26:30 2004 From: lsrpm at mts.net (Liam Marshall) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 11:26:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] CPU or Memory In-Reply-To: <41598EFE.7070500@riverdale.k12.or.us> References: <1096172316.6098.22.camel@server.ltsp> <4156CB85.2030100@lqt.ca> <4156E79A.30706@mts.net> <41596362.3060606@mts.net> <41598EFE.7070500@riverdale.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1096388790.2606.6.camel@server.ltsp> On Tue, 2004-09-28 at 11:19, Ben Mabbott wrote: > Liam Marshall wrote: > > > Question. Will getting a Gig switch that the server will plug into, > > along with a line from the other 10/100 switches do anything? I mean, > > if only the server has Gig nic, what good would it accomplish if I > > cannot afford to put gig switches and nics everywhere? I have truly > > blown the budget for this year. I might be able to squeeze out a > > small gig switch, but what good is it? > > It makes a big difference for graphics intensive apps like Tux Type. > Each session of an app like that is going to use somewhere in the > neighborhood of 70mbit. If the server only has a 100mbit connection to > the switch, just one user running Tux Type will eat up almost all of the > server's upstream bandwidth. Gigabit to the switch gives the server a > lot more bandwidth, and thus it can handle more sessions of an app like > that without slowing to a crawl. > > The clients themselves don't need gigabit because they're not going to > be using more than 100mbit. If you have 10 clients running Tux Type, the > server needs up to 700mbit to keep up with the load, but each client is > only using 70mbit, so a 100mbit connection is more than enough. The pipe > to a client only needs to be able to handle the traffic going to that > one client, the pipe to the server needs to be able to handle the > traffic going to *every* client. Apps like Tux Type are an extreme > example, but every program that a client is running is using some > bandwidth, and with a lab of 30 clients it can max out a 100mbit > connection pretty quick. Gigabit between the server and the switch is > always a good idea if you have the option. > > -Ben > thanks. That is a perfect explanation. I should have figured that out myself. From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Sep 28 16:49:06 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 12:49:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] TeacherTool In-Reply-To: <1096388600.2606.4.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1096388600.2606.4.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: What version of K12LTSP are you using? It is actually (the newer version) on the yum/apt repository...and I believe it is also included on the discs. The one on the Yorktown site is the one I started with and then Eric and I tweked it to run with later versions of the OS and give you the appropriate line parts so that you would see something like dsmith at ws132.ltsp in the list. Let me know and we'll go from there....the version you are using is dated AFAIK. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Sep 28 16:53:08 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 09:53:08 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] TeacherTool In-Reply-To: <1096388600.2606.4.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1096388600.2606.4.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <415996F4.7030105@paasda.org> I think those are merely stations that are turned on waiting for someone to log in? although mine appear somewhat different... gdm at ws109.ltsp gdm at ws110.ltsp .... and then when someone is logged on it shows: huckda at ws110.ltsp --Huck Liam Marshall wrote: >I love the idea of TeacherTool, especially for killing runaway >processes. > >But when I run the TeacherTool.py off the Yorktown site on my system, >the users are all listed as > >x11 at 39323 >xll at 39325 >xll at ..... > >what is that? I would prefer a list of users. I can't find any >correspondance between x11 at something and my usernames > From wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com Tue Sep 28 17:05:19 2004 From: wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com (Wilson) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 07:05:19 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] TeacherTool In-Reply-To: <415996F4.7030105@paasda.org> Message-ID: <200409281705.i8SH5NQm028133@ms-smtp-02-eri0.socal.rr.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Huck > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 6:53 AM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] TeacherTool > > I think those are merely stations that are turned on waiting for someone > to log in? > > although mine appear somewhat different... > > gdm at ws109.ltsp > gdm at ws110.ltsp > > .... > and then when someone is logged on it shows: > > huckda at ws110.ltsp > > --Huck > [Wilson ] Can someone post the python script that works? Im also running the python script from the Yorktown site and get x11 at 39323. > > Liam Marshall wrote: > > >I love the idea of TeacherTool, especially for killing runaway > >processes. > > > >But when I run the TeacherTool.py off the Yorktown site on my system, > >the users are all listed as > > > >x11 at 39323 > >xll at 39325 > >xll at ..... > > > >what is that? I would prefer a list of users. I can't find any > >correspondance between x11 at something and my usernames > > From wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com Tue Sep 28 17:07:12 2004 From: wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com (Wilson) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 07:07:12 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] TeacherTool In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200409281707.i8SH7HuY017894@ms-smtp-03-eri0.socal.rr.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of David Trask > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 6:49 AM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Cc: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] TeacherTool > > What version of K12LTSP are you using? It is actually (the newer version) > on the yum/apt repository...and I believe it is also included on the > discs. The one on the Yorktown site is the one I started with and then > Eric and I tweked it to run with later versions of the OS and give you the > appropriate line parts so that you would see something like [Wilson ] Can you post your python script or show everyone what you modified? Thanks! Wilson From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Sep 28 17:12:08 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 10:12:08 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] TeacherTool In-Reply-To: <200409281705.i8SH5NQm028133@ms-smtp-02-eri0.socal.rr.com> References: <200409281705.i8SH5NQm028133@ms-smtp-02-eri0.socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <41599B68.6070500@paasda.org> Posting TeacherTool: Hopes it's okay to do so... -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... 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Does anyone know the minimal choices for these? --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From lsrpm at mts.net Tue Sep 28 17:35:13 2004 From: lsrpm at mts.net (Liam Marshall) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 12:35:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] TeacherTool In-Reply-To: References: <1096388600.2606.4.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <1096392912.3166.3.camel@server.ltsp> On Tue, 2004-09-28 at 11:49, David Trask wrote: > What version of K12LTSP are you using? It is actually (the newer version) > on the yum/apt repository...and I believe it is also included on the > discs. The one on the Yorktown site is the one I started with and then > Eric and I tweked it to run with later versions of the OS and give you the > appropriate line parts so that you would see something like > > dsmith at ws132.ltsp > > in the list. Let me know and we'll go from there....the version you are > using is dated AFAIK. > I am using K12LTSP 4.0.1. I had tried in the summer 4.1 but had some bad experiences. the TecherTool.py I got from the yorktown site From lsrpm at mts.net Tue Sep 28 17:46:34 2004 From: lsrpm at mts.net (Liam Marshall) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 12:46:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] TeacherTool In-Reply-To: <41599B68.6070500@paasda.org> References: <200409281705.i8SH5NQm028133@ms-smtp-02-eri0.socal.rr.com> <41599B68.6070500@paasda.org> Message-ID: <1096393593.3166.7.camel@server.ltsp> On Tue, 2004-09-28 at 12:12, Huck wrote: > Posting TeacherTool: > Hopes it's okay to do so... > > this works better. Now I get a list of gdm at ws187.ltsp etc.... but they are all just sitting at the login waiting. My own username shows up and I can manipulate it, but none of the other users currently logged on Why would this be? From cliebow at downeast.net Tue Sep 28 18:07:28 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 18:07:28 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] TeacherTool/Teach2.py Message-ID: <200409281811.i8SIB8W24264@downeast.net> And here is Teach2.py with runspy button added.. you may add -viewonly in front of -rfbport 5900 if you like.. chuck > Posting TeacherTool: > Hopes it's okay to do so... > > > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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[2] LUGOD's Henry House was the last speaker at the very end of the hearing, and has posted his summary of the event to LUGOD's 'vox-outreach' mailing list: http://lists.lugod.org/pipermail/vox-outreach/2004-September/001048.html Here's the interesting part: "I was the very last speaker and all I got to say was: 'I am representing the Linux Users' Group of Davis, reresenting over 200 open-source-software users in Davis. We strongly support recommendation SO10 in the CPR report. Using open-source software can save the State a lot of money.' "To our great surprise, several members of the CPR staff came up to us after I spoke and thanked us for voicing our support for the OSS recommendation. They said that it is one of the most controversial recommendations in the entire report. They collected a copy of my 3-minute speech that I was not able to deliver and encouraged me and LUGOD to submit detailed written comments using their website. They also mentioned that they built their web comment-taking system using open-source software." Testimony and feedback on the CRP commission hearings can be submitted online via an email form, or by uploaded a PDF, but only until this Thursday, September 30th: http://cpr.ca.gov/feedback For the Californians out here, please consider taking a moment to read over SO10 and provide your feedback! -bill! pr at lugod.org http://www.lugod.org/ Linux Users' Group of Davis [1] California Performance Review: http://www.cpr.ca.gov/ [2] SO10: Explore Open Source Alternatives http://www.report.cpr.ca.gov/cprrpt/issrec/stops/it/so10.htm From lsrpm at mts.net Tue Sep 28 19:38:43 2004 From: lsrpm at mts.net (Liam Marshall) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 14:38:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] TeacherTool In-Reply-To: <1096393593.3166.7.camel@server.ltsp> References: <200409281705.i8SH5NQm028133@ms-smtp-02-eri0.socal.rr.com> <41599B68.6070500@paasda.org> <1096393593.3166.7.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <1096400323.21115.4.camel@server.ltsp> On Tue, 2004-09-28 at 12:46, Liam Marshall wrote: > On Tue, 2004-09-28 at 12:12, Huck wrote: > > Posting TeacherTool: > > Hopes it's okay to do so... > > > > > this works better. Now I get a list of gdm at ws187.ltsp etc.... > but they are all just sitting at the login waiting. My own username > shows up and I can manipulate it, but none of the other users currently > logged on > > Why would this be? > I just discovered what is happening myself, although I don't understand why. I made each student's username their individual school provided unique student number. (ie 04-111 for John Doe) I did it that way to make it easy to create 600+ users from an exported file. It had the advantage of being unique for everyone and easy for them to remember. Unfortunately, Linux utilities do not seem to like usernames that begin with numbers. TeacherTool ignores users who's username does not begin with a letter. Bummer, Sh**t and other expletives! I shot myself in the foot. I made my life easy at the beginning of the year now I can't use TeacherTool because of it!!! Unless someone knows how to correct this issue? Please From cliebow at downeast.net Tue Sep 28 19:16:19 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 19:16:19 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] TeacherTool Message-ID: <200409281919.i8SJJxW05878@downeast.net> i'd bet eric harrison can make it work.....or Chris Johnson...chiuck > On Tue, 2004-09-28 at 12:46, Liam Marshall wrote: > > On Tue, 2004-09-28 at 12:12, Huck wrote: > > > Posting TeacherTool: > > > Hopes it's okay to do so... > > > > > > > > this works better. Now I get a list of gdm at ws187.ltsp etc.... > > but they are all just sitting at the login waiting. My own username > > shows up and I can manipulate it, but none of the other users currently > > logged on > > > > Why would this be? > > > I just discovered what is happening myself, although I don't understand > why. > > I made each student's username their individual school provided unique > student number. (ie 04-111 for John Doe) I did it that way to make it > easy to create 600+ users from an exported file. It had the advantage > of being unique for everyone and easy for them to remember. > > Unfortunately, Linux utilities do not seem to like usernames that begin > with numbers. > > TeacherTool ignores users who's username does not begin with a letter. > Bummer, Sh**t and other expletives! I shot myself in the foot. I made > my life easy at the beginning of the year now I can't use TeacherTool > because of it!!! > > Unless someone knows how to correct this issue? > > Please > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Sep 28 20:41:46 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 13:41:46 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] TeacherTool In-Reply-To: <1096400323.21115.4.camel@server.ltsp> References: <200409281705.i8SH5NQm028133@ms-smtp-02-eri0.socal.rr.com> <41599B68.6070500@paasda.org> <1096393593.3166.7.camel@server.ltsp> <1096400323.21115.4.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <4159CC8A.3070701@paasda.org> put an 'a' in front of all of their numbernames ..or thier first/lastname? but their login would change i.e. 04-111 would become huck04-111 the homedir doesn't need it... just /etc/passwd and /etc/passwd- I believe...and maybe /etc/groups and /etc/groups- ?? can always correct me if wrong =) I'd of course test with a dummy account if it were me just to check.... --Huck Liam Marshall wrote: >On Tue, 2004-09-28 at 12:46, Liam Marshall wrote: > > >>On Tue, 2004-09-28 at 12:12, Huck wrote: >> >> >>>Posting TeacherTool: >>>Hopes it's okay to do so... >>> >>> >>> >>> >>this works better. Now I get a list of gdm at ws187.ltsp etc.... >>but they are all just sitting at the login waiting. My own username >>shows up and I can manipulate it, but none of the other users currently >>logged on >> >>Why would this be? >> >> >> >I just discovered what is happening myself, although I don't understand >why. > >I made each student's username their individual school provided unique >student number. (ie 04-111 for John Doe) I did it that way to make it >easy to create 600+ users from an exported file. It had the advantage >of being unique for everyone and easy for them to remember. > >Unfortunately, Linux utilities do not seem to like usernames that begin >with numbers. > >TeacherTool ignores users who's username does not begin with a letter. >Bummer, Sh**t and other expletives! I shot myself in the foot. I made >my life easy at the beginning of the year now I can't use TeacherTool >because of it!!! > >Unless someone knows how to correct this issue? > >Please > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From jessemcdonnell at comcast.net Tue Sep 28 21:48:06 2004 From: jessemcdonnell at comcast.net (Jesse McDonnell) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 17:48:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] message for Hershey/Harrisburg area Linux advocates Message-ID: <20040928174806.2db6f246.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> posting on K12OSN and ltsp-discuss: I'm a school librarian, a long-time homeuser of LTSP/K12LTSP, and a member (and Director) of the Pennsylvania School Librarians Association. PSLA's conference will be held from April 27-30, 2005 at the Hershey Lodge and Convention Center. We're looking into the possiblity of setting up an Internet Cafe to provide email and internet access to participants. I think this would be a wonderful opportunity to showcase Linux for the approximately 1000 school librarians who will be attending and I'm wondering if there are any central PA list members who can help with setup, donate time during the conference, or lend hardware for a few days. Right now, the donated hardware is my own Celeron Tualatin 1.3 GHz server w 756M Ram and my three client boxes. Please let me know if you'd like to be involved, even if you can only make a tentative committment this far in advance. Thanks! Jesse McDonnell, Teacher-Librarian Franklin Regional Senior High School Murrysville, PA 15668 From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Tue Sep 28 22:18:00 2004 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 15:18:00 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] message for Hershey/Harrisburg area Linux advocates In-Reply-To: <20040928174806.2db6f246.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> References: <20040928174806.2db6f246.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 17:48:06 -0400, Jesse McDonnell wrote: > posting on K12OSN and ltsp-discuss: > > I'm a school librarian, a long-time homeuser of LTSP/K12LTSP, and a member (and Director) of the Pennsylvania School Librarians Association. PSLA's conference will be held from April 27-30, 2005 at the Hershey Lodge and Convention Center. We're looking into the possiblity of setting up an Internet Cafe to provide email and internet access to participants. > Geographically, I am not necessarily your first choice, but this is something I would be glad to help with, and I may be able to provide the hardware through my contacts in the non-profit refurbishment world. I'd also like the opportunity to shoulder some of the responsibility if you felt it would be appropriate in doing so to indicate that our company helps set up LTSP labs. -- Steve Hargadon 916-652-8600 ext. 711 From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Tue Sep 28 23:12:56 2004 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 19:12:56 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Bottom post In-Reply-To: <1096330868.2790.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F0362E032@remail2.westat.com> <1096330868.2790.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4159EFF8.8070707@snet.net> Sudev Barar wrote: > On Tue, 2004-09-28 at 00:27, Henry Hartley wrote: > >>Ken Meyer wrote: >> >>>It appears that it's time for the annual rehash of this issue, which >>>is apparently a "sine qua non" for all geek-oriented lists. So, my >>>intuition is screaming to let this lie, as it too will pass; but >>>apparently, I am going to ignore that internal advice yet again. I think it's been less than a year since we revisited this one... Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From sudev at mantraonline.com Tue Sep 28 16:18:19 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 21:48:19 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] CPU or Memory In-Reply-To: <41596362.3060606@mts.net> References: <1096172316.6098.22.camel@server.ltsp> <4156CB85.2030100@lqt.ca> <4156E79A.30706@mts.net> <41596362.3060606@mts.net> Message-ID: <1096388299.2651.3.camel@roop.ltsp> On Tue, 2004-09-28 at 18:43, Liam Marshall wrote: [snip] > cpus are running fine. during program start, (OO or other) cpu usage > spikes but then settles down. It is entirely livable as is, without the > extra ram. Only problem now is things like Tux Type and Tux Math. They > seem to bog down system horribly. They are graphics intensive, but as > everything else is acceptable, why them? 10/100 nics everywhere, and > 10/100 switches. Because of the server motherboard switch, 1 of its > nics is a Gig one, but it is plugging into a 10/100 switch so is unused > to its potential Past May some one posted a reference to "verynice" and after updating some of the issues mentioned by you about ogram hogging resources disappeared. Also I removed ches game as this was real resourc hog. May be look in to archives would help. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From sudev at mantraonline.com Tue Sep 28 16:21:21 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 21:51:21 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Remote X Session from Windows XP Client In-Reply-To: References: <8F057578D21DBA4BB0CF32013A87ACED05F5C3@x-serv1.admin.jmc.ac.uk> Message-ID: <1096388480.2651.6.camel@roop.ltsp> On Tue, 2004-09-28 at 17:39, Jim Wildman wrote: > On Tue, 28 Sep 2004, Luke Maslany wrote: > > > Until I manage to convince everyone to try a wholesale move to Linux, I > > am looking for a solution to allow users to run a remote X session from > > within Windows XP. > > http://www.cygwin.com > > Then use gdmconf to enable remote xdmcp connections to your Linux box. You can also try putty to connect to X via ssh?? -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From jessemcdonnell at comcast.net Tue Sep 28 23:37:58 2004 From: jessemcdonnell at comcast.net (Jesse McDonnell) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 19:37:58 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] message for Hershey/Harrisburg area Linux advocates In-Reply-To: References: <20040928174806.2db6f246.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20040928193758.45f2dc0c.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 15:18:00 -0700 Steve Hargadon wrote: > On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 17:48:06 -0400, Jesse McDonnell > wrote: > > posting on K12OSN and ltsp-discuss: > > > > I'm a school librarian, a long-time homeuser of LTSP/K12LTSP, and a member (and Director) of the Pennsylvania School Librarians Association. PSLA's conference will be held from April 27-30, 2005 at the Hershey Lodge and Convention Center. We're looking into the possiblity of setting up an Internet Cafe to provide email and internet access to participants. > > > > Geographically, I am not necessarily your first choice, but this is > something I would be glad to help with, and I may be able to provide > the hardware through my contacts in the non-profit refurbishment > world. > Steve, Thanks for your support and the offer of help. I see from your website that you're located in California, so we are, indeed, quite a bit removed geographically. But, if any of your contacts in Pennsylvania can provide loaner hardware that would be great. > I'd also like the opportunity to shoulder some of the responsibility > if you felt it would be appropriate in doing so to indicate that our > company helps set up LTSP labs. > I won't be the only person deciding on this and on *how* it's done but I don't think there will be any problem in publicly recognizing and acknowledging that the Internet Cafe was a result of the contributions and efforts of named individuals and/or organizations/companies. Of course, if anyone wants to remain anonymous we'll respect that also. Do you have other areas of responsibility in mind (in addition to trying to get loaner hardware)? Thanks! Jesse McDonnell, Teacher-Librarian Franklin Regional Senior High School Murrysville, PA 15668 From goblin at scooter.co.nz Wed Sep 29 00:13:42 2004 From: goblin at scooter.co.nz (goblin at scooter.co.nz) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 12:13:42 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] dansguardian In-Reply-To: <41598496.6020103@netscape.net> References: <41598496.6020103@netscape.net> Message-ID: <4159FE36.5030902@scooter.co.nz> norbert wrote: > Hi, > > I need help.... (no not psychiatric ... yet) I have squis & dansguardian > active on my system with the configured files for blocking and lists yet > websites are not being filtered ???? > > Ideas or suggestions as to how to check and fix this? Check back in the archives a month or so.. there was a thread titled "Dansguardian and squid wont play together" which may shed some light on your problem... tail -f the DansGuardian log file (should be /$INSTALL_DIR/log/access.log) and see if anything is actually going through DansGuardian. mRgOBLIN From ssanders at coin.org Wed Sep 29 03:56:34 2004 From: ssanders at coin.org (ssanders at coin.org) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 22:56:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] dansguardian In-Reply-To: <41598496.6020103@netscape.net> References: <41598496.6020103@netscape.net> Message-ID: <1096430194.27535.80.camel@ltsp.bofh> hi, did you configure clients' browser to proxy through squid? i haven't run squid for awhile, but at the time i did, it also needed to be on a separate box. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Version: 6.0.766 / Virus Database: 513 - Release Date: 9/17/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Sep 29 13:54:15 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 09:54:15 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] CPU or Memory In-Reply-To: <41596362.3060606@mts.net> References: <1096172316.6098.22.camel@server.ltsp> <4156CB85.2030100@lqt.ca> < > <4156E79A.30706@mts.net> <41596362.3060606@mts.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 at 9:13 AM +0000 wrote: >cpus are running fine. during program start, (OO or other) cpu usage >spikes but then settles down. It is entirely livable as is, without the >extra ram. Only problem now is things like Tux Type and Tux Math. They >seem to bog down system horribly. They are graphics intensive, but as >everything else is acceptable, why them? 10/100 nics everywhere, and >10/100 switches. Because of the server motherboard switch, 1 of its >nics is a Gig one, but it is plugging into a 10/100 switch so is unused >to its potential I used this as a test bed in my case. With a gig card and only a 10/100 switch....tuxtype and tuxmath were only usable for about up to 4 or 5 clients. With the addition of a gig uplink switch (Amer.com SR24G2...which has 24 ports 10/100 and 2 ports 10/100/1000) I was able to make it usable for the entire lab! 22 machines! Using a gig switch makes a HUGE difference! > > >Question. Will getting a Gig switch that the server will plug into, >along with a line from the other 10/100 switches do anything? I mean, >if only the server has Gig nic, what good would it accomplish if I >cannot afford to put gig switches and nics everywhere? think of it this way....if you had 25 kids that need to exit a room and go out into the hallway and enter 25 different rooms (one kid per room) through a standard door...they'd be able to get out, but only one at a time.....now take the same scenario....except you now have a garage door.....same number of kids, but they can get to the other rooms a lot faster since they can leave the first room more than one at a time. (in server speak.....the server gets to work at full speed....thus shifting the bottleneck from the server down to the clients) thus...a HUGE speed increase! > I have truly >blown the budget for this year. I might be able to squeeze out a small >gig switch, but what good is it? SR24G2 from Amer.com (I use a bunch of them) is $179 David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Wed Sep 29 14:25:45 2004 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 10:25:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] send message to specific user(s) with xmessage? In-Reply-To: <20040923194727.506DA73371@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040923194727.506DA73371@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1096467945.25549.4.camel@discovery.media.local> The program "kwrited" will run in the background under Gnome. So all that means is we have to figure out how to start up "kwrited" automatically for all users under Gnome when they login (part of their session?). Any hints? Henry Burroughs > From: Huck > To: linuxsys at davisny.edu, Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] send message to specific user(s) with xmessage? > Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 11:33:16 -0700 > > apparently this only works with KDE...and my need for bandwidth is such > that I need to use ICEWM... > > if I could find packages for python-osd and relavent dependancies I > could solve the issue another way... > but so far no luck with that either =) > > K12LTSP 4.1.0 is my distro > > --Huck > > Calvin Park wrote: > > >We found a solution to this problem for our needs. Our Computer Center > >closes at 10:00PM every night (at a College here) and so we wanted to > >broadcast messages to all terminals at 9:45, 9:55, and 10:00 letting > >users know that the lab would be closing. After a few hours in the LTSP > >and KDE irc channels we found that the command > > > >echo Your Message Here | wall > > > >works quite well. It will broadcast a message to all terminals...and as > >near as I've been able to figure KDE listens for echo with | wall and > >broadcasts the message to all users (even if they are in a GUI instead > >of the command line) using kwrited > > > >So, This solution may not work at all if you're using GNOME. But it has > >been a great help to us. Also, using the write command from a terminal > >window has allowed our computer center techs to warn particular users. > >Same thing, set mesg to yes, use the write command to a specific user > >type in your message and it will pop up in kwrited on their screen. For > >instance: > > > >write jdoe > >Hey man...how's it going? > >ctrl+c > > > >Very handy. Again, I don't know if this will work with GNOME. > > > >Hope this all made sense. Let me know if it didn't. > > > >-Calvin > > > >On Thu, 2004-09-23 at 12:32, Huck wrote: > > > > > >>Is there a way to use xmessage or some other program to send a message > >>to all or specific terminals? > >> > >>'wall' will do it to the command-line terminals...and 'write' should be > >>able to do the same as wall..but it doesn't work > >>even though my user has 'mesg' set to yes > >> > >>--Huck > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>K12OSN mailing list > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>For more info see > >> > >> > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > > > > > From linuxsys at davisny.edu Wed Sep 29 14:37:00 2004 From: linuxsys at davisny.edu (Calvin Park) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 10:37:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] send message to specific user(s) with xmessage? In-Reply-To: <1096467945.25549.4.camel@discovery.media.local> References: <20040923194727.506DA73371@hormel.redhat.com> <1096467945.25549.4.camel@discovery.media.local> Message-ID: <1096468620.5794.1.camel@localhost> Hmmm...interesting. I have no idea how to start it standard in Gnome. But I'm not sure that will help Huck, since he's running ICEWM....will kwrited run under ICEWM? So, I'll stop now before I was anyone elses time with my fairly useless message. -Calvin On Wed, 2004-09-29 at 10:25, Henry Burroughs wrote: > The program "kwrited" will run in the background under Gnome. So all > that means is we have to figure out how to start up "kwrited" > automatically for all users under Gnome when they login (part of their > session?). Any hints? > > Henry Burroughs > > > > From: Huck > > To: linuxsys at davisny.edu, Support list for opensource software in schools. > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] send message to specific user(s) with xmessage? > > Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 11:33:16 -0700 > > > > apparently this only works with KDE...and my need for bandwidth is such > > that I need to use ICEWM... > > > > if I could find packages for python-osd and relavent dependancies I > > could solve the issue another way... > > but so far no luck with that either =) > > > > K12LTSP 4.1.0 is my distro > > > > --Huck > > > > Calvin Park wrote: > > > > >We found a solution to this problem for our needs. Our Computer Center > > >closes at 10:00PM every night (at a College here) and so we wanted to > > >broadcast messages to all terminals at 9:45, 9:55, and 10:00 letting > > >users know that the lab would be closing. After a few hours in the LTSP > > >and KDE irc channels we found that the command > > > > > >echo Your Message Here | wall > > > > > >works quite well. It will broadcast a message to all terminals...and as > > >near as I've been able to figure KDE listens for echo with | wall and > > >broadcasts the message to all users (even if they are in a GUI instead > > >of the command line) using kwrited > > > > > >So, This solution may not work at all if you're using GNOME. But it has > > >been a great help to us. Also, using the write command from a terminal > > >window has allowed our computer center techs to warn particular users. > > >Same thing, set mesg to yes, use the write command to a specific user > > >type in your message and it will pop up in kwrited on their screen. For > > >instance: > > > > > >write jdoe > > >Hey man...how's it going? > > >ctrl+c > > > > > >Very handy. Again, I don't know if this will work with GNOME. > > > > > >Hope this all made sense. Let me know if it didn't. > > > > > >-Calvin > > > > > >On Thu, 2004-09-23 at 12:32, Huck wrote: > > > > > > From rbarnich at comcast.net Wed Sep 29 15:18:49 2004 From: rbarnich at comcast.net (Rick Barnich) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 11:18:49 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Good Citizen Microsoft Message-ID: <415AD259.5070608@comcast.net> It occurred to me that when pitching K12LTSP, Linux and FOSS to school systems, perhaps one should point out what a good neighbor Microsoft is to the state of Washington. Recently, /Forbes/ ranked Seattle as the most overpriced city in the country. Our school class sizes are the fourth largest in the nation. Washington's percentage of residents enrolled in college ranks 46th out of 50 states. Seattle teacher salaries rank 97th out of 100 major cities. Our traffic is the 17th worst in the country. And let's not forget more than 167,000 Washington children without health care and the growing ranks of homeless citizens staking out highway off-ramps in search of handouts. Seven years ago, Microsoft opened a small office in Reno, Nev., to collect the money it got from PC manufacturers that installed Windows and Office on the computers they sold. In the years since, Microsoft has sheltered more than $60 billion in royalty revenue in Nevada, a state with no corporate income tax, costing Washington an estimated $327 million in unrealized tax revenue. Washington(state) collected $16.1 million in taxes on software royalties of $3.3 billion for all companies over the past four years. Yet Microsoft reported that it earned more than $34 billion in revenue from PC and device manufacturers during the same period. Had Microsoft paid taxes on this revenue in Washington, it should have generated $164.5 million for the state--far more than the $16.1 million collected on software sales by all companies. http://www.seattleweekly.com/features/0439/040929_news_microsoft.php Rick Barnich -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Sep 29 15:47:47 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 11:47:47 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Article on K12LTSP and OpenSource in Education Week Message-ID: Hi all! Paul Nelson, Scott Robinson, and myself are featured in this week's edition of Education Week in an Open Source/Linux article. I don't have a copy, but my understanding is that my ugly mug (NOW you know what I look like....so much for the anonymity) is on the front page as well! The article is below, but you can also view it online at http://www.edweek.org or read the print version. Speaking of which....if any of you subscribe or know someone who does....I'd like a few hard copies for my family and my scrapbook...etc. (my Mom really wants one) If you have any you can part with could you let me know (off-list) and send them to me at David Trask Vassalboro Community School 1116 Webber Pond Rd. Vassalboro, ME 04989 I'd really appreciate it.... David ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Education Week American Education's Newspaper of Record [ http://www.edweek.org/ew/gallery/spacer.gif ]? September 29, 2004 Software Solution Saves Dollars By Andrew Trotter Education Week A growing number of cost-conscious school districts are finding budget relief in low-cost computer software known as "open source" that can do everything from manage school Web sites to equip classrooms for learning. Administrators cite open-source-related savings of hundreds of dollars per new computer, plus benefits such as reduced exposure to computer viruses and to copyright violations. Open source refers to software distributed with a proviso that gives anyone the right to dissect, modify, and redistribute or even resell it, on the condition that the people receiving it have the same right. The software typically is developed through online collaborations between programmers and users that can reach across the world. The software is usually created for the open-source operating system Linux, but can also be designed to run on Microsoft Windows and Apple Macintosh operating systems. David N. Trask, the technology coordinator for the 600-student Vassalboro Community School in central Maine, stumbled into the open-source world four years ago after he mistyped student login data on the K-8 school?s main computer. The Windows-based system crashed, wasting nearly two days of labor. And it happened just a few days before the start of the school year. "I was a dyed-in-the-wool Microsoft user," Mr. Trask said. Because of his frustration, he took a tip from an online forum and downloaded a free, Linux- based program called "SME server." "Eighteen minutes later, I had a fully functioning server," he said. Then another school technology coordinator e- mailed him a Linux program that transferred the 600 student names from a text file and completed the logins in less than an hour, something he couldn?t do with Windows. "I was blown away by that," he said. As he tested other open- source products, he realized they were just what he needed. "[Software] licensing was killing us," Mr. Trask said. "For my Windows server, I was paying 5,400 bucks annually to do a school my size, for just the software site license." After balancing the pros and cons with his principal, Mr. Trask said they concluded that "the pros on the Linux side of the list were very long; on the Windows side, the list was very short." As a consequence, the school gradually shifted to open-source software in most of its administrative functions and many instructional ones as well. The school has reduced its Windows license to fewer functions, halving the cost per computer. Now Mr. Trask is something of an apostle for open-source computing in his state. So far, Maine has at least 40 school districts using Linux and open-source software, he said. An all-day seminar for educators on open source held in Bethel, Maine, during the past two summers sold out its 50 seats both times. Technology Terms Open Source is used to describe software that is developed and distributed under a type of license, called a general public license, that allows anyone to make changes to the software and redistribute it without being charged. Linux is an operating system?a basic set of programs that allows other software to work on a computer?that was developed under a general public license that makes its underlying code available to everyone for free. Linux has won popularity in the open-source community and among commercial software developers because of its robustness and availability. Some large banks, airlines, and online retailers use it to run their operations; it can also be used on personal desktop computers. Experts say a national move to open source is gathering steam. In Oregon, Scott Robinson, the chief technology officer for the 55,000-student Portland schools, said he got started using Linux after receiving a letter that Microsoft sent to Oregon and Washington school districts in 2002. The letter, which many educators considered high-handed, demanded that the districts audit all their computers within 60 days to remove illegal copies of Microsoft software. Yet the Microsoft letter also included a brochure with information about the company?s latest campuswide licenses, which it said could help schools avoid illegal use of software. "I said, ?Go ahead and audit us, and I?ll just erase the computers and use them for Linux,?" he said. Paul Nelson, the technology coordinator for the nearby 550-student Riverdale, Ore., schools, said an online forum of school Linux enthusiasts that he moderates has more than 1,000 members from the United States and overseas. Nationwide, 19 percent of districts use Linux, according to a new survey by Denver-based Quality Education Data, a market research firm owned by Scholastic Inc. But those districts may use other operating systems as well. The open-source movement in schools, Mr. Nelson said, is "at the- snowball-at-the-top-of-the-hill stage." Saving Money That snowball may get its first big push from the K-12 Linux Terminal Server Project, the focus of the online forum. The project offers free packages of school-oriented Linux software that works on inexpensive workstations, called dumb terminals or "thin clients." The method relies on linking the workstations using a network to computer servers, which do the processing chores and store users? work. The setup can give classrooms and computer labs the capabilities of costly PCs at a small fraction of the cost. Mr. Trask in Maine, for example, converts into thin- client workstations the old and donated computers that cannot handle current Windows applications. He has added three workstations to each of his school?s 23 classrooms, which otherwise would have only one computer each. Oregon?s Portland schools?one of the first large, urban districts to plunge into open- source?bought 800 new computer terminals over the past two years to create Linux labs in its 20 middle schools and five high schools, according to Mr. Robinson. Each terminal cost $300, hundreds less than a computer equipped with a hard drive and proprietary software. That saved the district $500,000 on computer labs over two years "purely on labs alone," Mr. Robinson emphasized. Plus, the simplicity of the terminals and the fact that the software is maintained centrally lower the cost of upkeep, he said. The productivity software?such as office and graphics applications and Web browsers?tends to mimic popular Windows or Macintosh titles, and saves work files in formats that can be opened in any of the systems. Microsoft Speaks Microsoft Corp. acknowledges that open source may appeal to schools. "The initial attraction for a lot of folks is free access to software," said Anthony Salcito, Microsoft?s general manager for education, But, he argued, open-source is not a long-term advantage for schools. In the long run, products by Microsoft and its education partners offer better performance "out of the box," he said. In addition, the Redmond, Wash.-based company believes its products work together more smoothly and are more secure, more upgradable, and easier to maintain than open-source software. Mr. Salcito also cited the software discounts and site licenses that Microsoft offers to schools as well as a program that allows donated computers to receive legal Windows operating systems. And Microsoft office tools are the ones that families are likely to have on their home computers, he pointed out. Maine?s Mr. Trask, however, simply lets students take home the school?s office applications on a CD-ROM, which is perfectly legal. He and other open- source advocates dispute Microsoft?s claims of technical superiority and raise the ante by pointing out that legions of virus writers specifically target the company?s Internet Explorer Web browser. Still, open-source advocates acknowledge drawbacks, such as the fairly bare cupboard of the drill-and- practice software programs that schools commonly use in the lower grades. For that reason, open-source schools often maintain some Windows and Mac labs. Experts also say that, in some areas, it is still hard for districts to find or hire technicians with experience in Linux. Another problem is districts? existing libraries of software that run only on Windows. That hurdle proved too high for the Clear Creek Independent School District in Texas, which recently investigated the possibility of using a Linux system. The 33,000-student district decided to stay with Windows, said Nancy Keese, Clear Creek?s technology director. She said the large collection of Windows software programs the district already owns "is what continues to keep us tied to the Microsoft solution." ?The Right Pressure? Open source veterans underscore the value of discussing their technical problems in the online open-source forums, such as the Schoolforge Coalition, which involves more than 80 groups internationally, and the K-12 Linux Terminal Server Project, which is supported by Red Hat Inc., a Linux developer in Raleigh, N.C. "When I describe to them what my problem is, they refer me to the right piece of open-source software, or if one doesn?t exist they sometimes create it for me," Mr. Trask said of other participants in such forums. Such collaboration is an essential substitute for the help-lines that big software companies offer, and users pay for, to support conventional products. Software companies are also springing up that specialize in open source, adapting products to users? specific needs while charging only for their services. Sharon Betts, the technology director of the 2,450-student Kennebunk public schools in Maine, works with NPV Inc., a small technology company based in Newton, Mass. The company first developed Linux-based student-tracking software for the district from scratch. It also adapted an open-source digital portfolio system and an online course management system to fit the needs of Kennebunk and 10 other Maine districts, which split the cost. Although open-source proponents enjoy shooting barbs at Microsoft, educators in the movement say they don?t expect to abandon the giant company?s dominant Windows operating system altogether. For example, the Portland schools, in addition to their Linux labs, have Windows and Macintosh labs for brand-name professional software that is available only for those systems. The Oregon district?s Mr. Robinson advises adding open source to a district?s technology mix to gain leverage in the marketplace, if for no other reason. "Having a variety of [software] environments," he said, "provides the right pressure?incentive, if you will?for your vendors to be responsive to you." Coverage of technology is supported in part by the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation. On the Web --------------------------------------------------------------------------- The [ http://www.k12ltsp.org/ ]K-12 Linux in Schools Project, which offers [ http://k12linux.org/contents.html ]resources, as well as an open-source [ http://k12os.org/ ]discussion forum. [ http://schoolforge.net/ ]SchoolForge, an open source advocate, lists a series of [ http://casestudy.seul.org/ ]case studies on the implementation of the Linux operating system in schools. Read [ http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=6349 ]"Linux from Kindergarten to High School," a February 2003 article from [ http://www.linuxjournal.com/ ]Linux Journal. [ http://www.microsoft.com/ ]Microsoft Corp. describes its productions and services for [ http://www.microsoft.com/Education/Schools.aspx ]schools. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- PHOTOS: David N. Trask, the technology coordinator for the K-8 Vassalboro Community School in Maine, is an advocate for ?open source? computing, in part because it is cheaper than conventional technologies. Maine educator David N. Trask believes ?open source? computing offers many benefits. ?Herb Swanson for Education Week ---------------------------------------------------------------------------? 2003 Editorial Projects in Education [ http://www.edweek.org/ew/gallery/spacer.gif ]? Vol. 24, number 05, page David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From les at futuresource.com Wed Sep 29 15:46:07 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 10:46:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Remote X Session from Windows XP Client In-Reply-To: <001201c4a625$dbdd4a10$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001201c4a625$dbdd4a10$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1096472767.7107.31.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-09-29 at 08:11, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > You can also try putty to connect to X via ssh?? > > Is that possible? I assumed that you needed something such as cygwin > that is able to run a local X session and the ssh connection through > putty was just to transport the X Windows data from the server. If I > can do such a thing via putty only please someone let me know, or I > suppose I could do something crazy and just try it. Putty can do the same magic X port-forwarding as ssh. Under ssh/tunnels, check the box for 'enable X11 forwarding' before making the connection, then after logging in start an X program by typing it's name. However you still need a local X server running to display the forwarded window. The cygwin version running in -multiwindow mode is a good choice for this - it will open a new window with more-or-less the same look and management as normal MS apps. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Sep 29 16:19:16 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 09:19:16 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] dansguardian In-Reply-To: <1096430194.27535.80.camel@ltsp.bofh> References: <41598496.6020103@netscape.net> <1096430194.27535.80.camel@ltsp.bofh> Message-ID: <415AE084.1050407@paasda.org> I run an old version of both squid and DG... both on the same box... and it's worked lovely...just keep updating bannedurl's =) --Huck ssanders at coin.org wrote: >hi, did you configure clients' browser to proxy through squid? i haven't >run squid for awhile, but at the time i did, it also needed to be on a >separate box. > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Sep 29 16:22:42 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 09:22:42 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Good Citizen Microsoft In-Reply-To: <415AD259.5070608@comcast.net> References: <415AD259.5070608@comcast.net> Message-ID: <415AE152.8000002@paasda.org> Being from WA....and visiting Seattle often...their traffic is the worst I've seen ANYWHERE... because they have 1 highway... I-5....that runs N/S...and it's the only way to commute less you gotta boat or airplane =) MS doesn't really do anything for our private schools...but alumni of our schools who work at MS contribute a lot... in terms of licenses....they buy and donate to the school from their employee store...at a HUGE savings of normal fees. Also...WA state has no personal income tax ... =) so those programmers who get paid a nice big chuck of moola....get to keep all but the Federal portion =) --Huck Rick Barnich wrote: > It occurred to me that when pitching K12LTSP, Linux and FOSS to school > systems, perhaps one should point out what a good neighbor Microsoft > is to the state of Washington. Recently, /Forbes/ ranked Seattle as > the most overpriced city in the country. Our school class sizes are > the fourth largest in the nation. Washington's percentage of residents > enrolled in college ranks 46th out of 50 states. Seattle teacher > salaries rank 97th out of 100 major cities. Our traffic is the 17th > worst in the country. And let's not forget more than 167,000 > Washington children without health care and the growing ranks of > homeless citizens staking out highway off-ramps in search of handouts. > > Seven years ago, Microsoft opened a small office in Reno, Nev., to > collect the money it got from PC manufacturers that installed Windows > and Office on the computers they sold. In the years since, Microsoft > has sheltered more than $60 billion in royalty revenue in Nevada, a > state with no corporate income tax, costing Washington an estimated > $327 million in unrealized tax revenue. > > Washington(state) collected $16.1 million in taxes on software > royalties of $3.3 billion for all companies over the past four years. > Yet Microsoft reported that it earned more than $34 billion in revenue > from PC and device manufacturers during the same period. Had Microsoft > paid taxes on this revenue in Washington, it should have generated > $164.5 million for the state?far more than the $16.1 million collected > on software sales by all companies. > > http://www.seattleweekly.com/features/0439/040929_news_microsoft.php > > Rick Barnich > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > From cwt137 at yahoo.com Wed Sep 29 16:34:36 2004 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 09:34:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Article on K12LTSP and OpenSource in Education Week In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040929163436.25090.qmail@web12103.mail.yahoo.com> Hello David and others, Thanks for the article. Very informative. It gives more legitimacy to the open source movement since it has received press in a mainstream periodical instead of a 'biased' one (like Linux journal). I think it would be easier to get converts if there were more newspaper and magazine articles on the subject. I'm just waiting for the Wall Street Journal, Newsweek or another big news place to do a story. They have already done articles about Linux. Now they need one about Linux in education. Chris --- David Trask wrote: > Hi all! > > Paul Nelson, Scott Robinson, and myself are featured > in this week's > edition of Education Week in an Open Source/Linux > article. I don't have a > copy, but my understanding is that my ugly mug (NOW > you know what I look > like....so much for the anonymity) is on the front > page as well! The > article is below, but you can also view it online at > > http://www.edweek.org or read the print version. > Speaking of > which....if any of you subscribe or know someone who > does....I'd like a > few hard copies for my family and my > scrapbook...etc. (my Mom really > wants one) If you have any you can part with could > you let me know > (off-list) and send them to me at > > David Trask > Vassalboro Community School > 1116 Webber Pond Rd. > Vassalboro, ME 04989 > > I'd really appreciate it.... > > David > > From haysja at sages.us Wed Sep 29 18:04:51 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 13:04:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Appletalk and K12LTSP Message-ID: <415AF943.8070003@sages.us> I am using a K12LTSP server as a file server for one of our grade schools. (I have three schools using K12LTSP as file servers.) This morning, Appletalk started acting up on one of the servers. (After a brief power blink. Yes, the server and the client computers have been restarted as has the proxy server and the router) When I try to connect from an OSX Mac (OSX 10.2.5), I get Connection Failed This file server is running on your machine.................... When I try to connect from OS9, I enter the username and password and the machine freezes when attempting to display the list of shares. These machines are able to connect to other servers in other buildings and the OSX machine can connect to the problem server via SMB. AFP is broke. I compared the configuration files with the ones from the working server and could not find any discernable difference. Has anyone experienced this? Any ideas? From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Sep 29 18:16:59 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 11:16:59 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Appletalk and K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <415AF943.8070003@sages.us> References: <415AF943.8070003@sages.us> Message-ID: <415AFC1B.9090007@paasda.org> We have some funk happening with OSX actually.... sometimes the OSX machines can see the smb shares and other times they can't... and when they do connect and authenticate there isn't he 'eject' button to disconnect so it shows a fantom folder from the last people to connect. as I don't teach/maintain/or do much of anything else with the Mac Lab...I'm not there when these things occur.. The odd thing is...there were two different install disks used...on a G5 the disk that came with it.. on the G4's they used whatever the latest jungle-cat name distro Mac is calling their OS...the G5 has NO PROBLEMO (yay high school spanish!), it's the G4's with "the other" install disks that seem to have these issues...when browsing the network as well. *shrugs* (personally I think Macintosh(the company) could do a lot better if they used a straight linux distro..got behind it 100% and started developing apps/suites instead of actually competing in the OS market) *steps off of soap box* --Huck Jim Hays wrote: > I am using a K12LTSP server as a file server for one of our grade > schools. (I have three schools using K12LTSP as file servers.) This > morning, Appletalk started acting up on one of the servers. (After a > brief power blink. Yes, the server and the client computers have been > restarted as has the proxy server and the router) > When I try to connect from an OSX Mac (OSX 10.2.5), I get > > Connection Failed > This file server is running on your machine.................... > > When I try to connect from OS9, I enter the username and password and > the machine freezes when attempting to display the list of shares. > These machines are able to connect to other servers in other buildings > and the OSX machine can connect to the problem server via SMB. AFP is > broke. > > I compared the configuration files with the ones from the working > server and could not find any discernable difference. > Has anyone experienced this? Any ideas? > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Sep 29 18:18:41 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 13:18:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Appletalk and K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <415AF943.8070003@sages.us> Message-ID: <002901c4a650$bfc8f830$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > When I try to connect from an OSX Mac (OSX 10.2.5), I get > > Connection Failed > This file server is running on your machine.................... I have experienced this and even fixed it.....but I can't for the life of me remember off hand what the problem was. If I am able to jog my memory at all I will post immediately. For all I know my solution was to re-install everything. While typing I am thinking it was a problem with AFP over TCP. I may be off base here but I think I had a problem with a load balanced NIC setup and it kept loosing its IP information. So Appletalk would attempt to connect over TCP and then default to strict AFP and then I would get that error. Call me crazy but check your NIC configurations and verify TCP stuff. If things clear up in this foggy space I refer to as my brain I'll post again. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.766 / Virus Database: 513 - Release Date: 9/17/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Sep 29 18:44:53 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 13:44:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Appletalk and K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <415AFC1B.9090007@paasda.org> Message-ID: <002c01c4a654$695442d0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > (personally I think Macintosh(the company) could do a lot > better if they > used a straight linux distro..got behind it 100% and started > developing > apps/suites instead of actually competing in the OS market) > *steps off > of soap box* *climbs on your soap box* Personally I think they would do better if they took the time they spent on making the machines pretty and put it back into development of stable/reliable hardware and software development. *gives soap box back* --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.766 / Virus Database: 513 - Release Date: 9/17/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From haysja at sages.us Wed Sep 29 18:58:57 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 13:58:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Appletalk and K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <002901c4a650$bfc8f830$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> References: <002901c4a650$bfc8f830$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1096484337.415b05f108e4f@sages.us> Jim Thanks for the info. I had the same thing a couple months ago, but like you, I have slept since then. Like you, I can't for the life of me remember what I did. Maybe I didn't do anything and the problem just "went away"..... :) ----------------------------------------- Jim Hays Technology Director Monticello CUSD#25 Monticello, IL 61856 ----------------------------------------- From les at futuresource.com Wed Sep 29 18:59:36 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 13:59:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Appletalk and K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <002c01c4a654$695442d0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> References: <002c01c4a654$695442d0$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1096484376.7462.9.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2004-09-29 at 13:44, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > *climbs on your soap box* > > Personally I think they would do better if they took the time they spent > on making the machines pretty and put it back into development of > stable/reliable hardware and software development. > > *gives soap box back* I can't think of much that I would change about a powerbook except maybe the price, and even that isn't outrageous if you compare to name-brand intel products with equivalent niceties like the external monitor or TV out having the choice of being a separate screen or not, gigE, wireless, firewire built in, etc. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From hendersonh at unit5.org Wed Sep 29 19:06:13 2004 From: hendersonh at unit5.org (Heath Henderson) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 14:06:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Appletalk and K12LTSP Message-ID: Check this one out. Do you have your afpd.conf file hard coded or is it picking up the machine/workstation name and trying to register that. Make sure of two things. hard code the server name in your afpd.conf mine looks like this. IMGSRVR -tcp -noddp -port 12000 10.xx.xx.x -nopassword I also have an entry in my /etc/hosts file with 10.xx.xx.x imgsrvr.xxx.xxx imgsrvr Seems to do the trick. Over TCP for some reason it can't match the servername and the IP. By putting that in it should be ok. There was one other thing, but I have it on my laptop at home right now. I can see if there was additional stuff, but I think that did the trick for us. Heath Henderson Assistant Technology Administrator McLean County Unit 5 Schools Normal, IL 61761 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBPB5LcYGGX69LnzBZEQJVdwCeIfH/DOpwbOdiut29KG0AwEhzaDYAoM1q Q2CIQ2P2RQOnaUcu3m/jXITE =BWZp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>> jim at winonacotter.org 9/29/2004 1:18:41 PM >>> > When I try to connect from an OSX Mac (OSX 10.2.5), I get > > Connection Failed > This file server is running on your machine.................... I have experienced this and even fixed it.....but I can't for the life of me remember off hand what the problem was. If I am able to jog my memory at all I will post immediately. For all I know my solution was to re-install everything. While typing I am thinking it was a problem with AFP over TCP. I may be off base here but I think I had a problem with a load balanced NIC setup and it kept loosing its IP information. So Appletalk would attempt to connect over TCP and then default to strict AFP and then I would get that error. Call me crazy but check your NIC configurations and verify TCP stuff. If things clear up in this foggy space I refer to as my brain I'll post again. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.766 / Virus Database: 513 - Release Date: 9/17/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From austinsr at uindy.edu Wed Sep 29 19:05:13 2004 From: austinsr at uindy.edu (Shawn R. Austin) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 14:05:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Appletalk and K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <415AF943.8070003@sages.us> References: <415AF943.8070003@sages.us> Message-ID: <1096484713.14024.52.camel@austinsr.isdesktop.uindy.edu> I have had the same problem before. Try going into the shares and removing(or moving) the .AppleDB directory. I have found that usually fixes it. On Wed, 2004-09-29 at 13:04, Jim Hays wrote: > I am using a K12LTSP server as a file server for one of our grade > schools. (I have three schools using K12LTSP as file servers.) This > morning, Appletalk started acting up on one of the servers. (After a > brief power blink. Yes, the server and the client computers have been > restarted as has the proxy server and the router) > > When I try to connect from an OSX Mac (OSX 10.2.5), I get > > Connection Failed > This file server is running on your machine.................... > > When I try to connect from OS9, I enter the username and password and > the machine freezes when attempting to display the list of shares. > > These machines are able to connect to other servers in other buildings > and the OSX machine can connect to the problem server via SMB. AFP is > broke. > > I compared the configuration files with the ones from the working server > and could not find any discernable difference. > > Has anyone experienced this? Any ideas? > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Sep 29 19:18:45 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 14:18:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Appletalk and K12LTSP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003401c4a659$23d7ec70$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > hard code the server name in your afpd.conf The name thing seems to ring a bell with me as well. Ours is hardcoded in I believe as a result. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.766 / Virus Database: 513 - Release Date: 9/17/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Sep 29 19:21:17 2004 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 14:21:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Appletalk and K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <1096484713.14024.52.camel@austinsr.isdesktop.uindy.edu> Message-ID: <003501c4a659$7e8df830$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> > I have had the same problem before. Try going into the > shares and removing(or moving) the .AppleDB directory. I have > found that usually fixes it. I had that cause hang ups just after login and trying to display the share mounts as well. Ours seems to be running correctly now if I just manually create the .AppleDB, .AppleDouble, .AppleDesktop files in all folders on the server that I generate and then give everyone full priveleges to them. Now we haven't had any more problems. It was giving us problems with bad icon files and other crap as well until making the change. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.766 / Virus Database: 513 - Release Date: 9/17/2004 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From kovalcik at orion-design.com Wed Sep 29 19:21:46 2004 From: kovalcik at orion-design.com (Tom Kovalcik) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 15:21:46 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] email problems Message-ID: <415B0B4A.2020406@orion-design.com> Not a K12LTSP problem, but I am hoping someone else has experienced this. My K12 server also serves roaming profiles to win2k workstations and provides domain authentication via Samba and smbpasswd. It is running a RH9 version of K12 software and samba-2.2.7a-8.9.0. When some users try to start a mail program (either outlook express or thunderbird) the hourglass comes up for a couple seconds, disappears and ..... nothing. No windows open, no error, nothing. At first I thought it was some kind of permission problem but all the files in the profile on the server seem to have the same permissions as other users that can use the same programs. Does anybody have any ideas? Thanks in advance. -- Thomas Kovalcik Orion Design Technologies 122 Mast Road Lee, NH 03824 (603)659-9800 x104 kovalcik at orion-design.com From cliebow at downeast.net Wed Sep 29 20:37:31 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 20:37:31 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] teachertool Message-ID: <200409292041.i8TKf3c14836@downeast.net> did you get what you needed??chuck > Hi, > > Can I "roadtest your modification ? please.................................. > > thks > norbert > > cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > > >i have a revised TeaCh2.py and a n executable called x11vncnew..plus my > >working notes..i have better written up..chuck..reply off list and i will > >ship em to you.. > >This is primordial stuff..We are working on it at ltsp-by-the-sea in November > > > > > > > >>apt-get install teachertool > >> > >>that's all I did... =) > >>then right-click on desktop... create launcher... > >>stuck in the path of the file...and voila... > >> > >>--Huck > >> > >>Steve Hargadon wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>Is that now part of TeacherTool ? I'd love to be able to view students > >>>desktop while there're working !!!! How do I get my hands on this > >>>improvement ??? > >>> > >>>=========== > >>>uff > >>>I second that request! > >>> > >>>Steve Hargadon > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>K12OSN mailing list > >>>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>>For more info see > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>K12OSN mailing list > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>For more info see > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >--------------------------------------------- > >This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > >http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From bear2bar at netscape.net Wed Sep 29 21:59:00 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 17:59:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] teachertool In-Reply-To: <200409292041.i8TKf3c14836@downeast.net> References: <200409292041.i8TKf3c14836@downeast.net> Message-ID: <415B3024.9090101@netscape.net> Hi, Yes thank you, but I haven't had time to install it yet... soon thks norbert cliebow at downeast.net wrote: >did you get what you needed??chuck > > > >>Hi, >> >>Can I "roadtest your modification ? please.................................. >> >>thks >>norbert >> >>cliebow at downeast.net wrote: >> >> >> >>>i have a revised TeaCh2.py and a n executable called x11vncnew..plus my >>>working notes..i have better written up..chuck..reply off list and i will >>>ship em to you.. >>>This is primordial stuff..We are working on it at ltsp-by-the-sea in >>> >>> >November > > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>apt-get install teachertool >>>> >>>>that's all I did... =) >>>>then right-click on desktop... create launcher... >>>>stuck in the path of the file...and voila... >>>> >>>>--Huck >>>> >>>>Steve Hargadon wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Is that now part of TeacherTool ? I'd love to be able to view students >>>>>desktop while there're working !!!! 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URL: From microman at cmosnetworks.com Wed Sep 29 22:51:47 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?windows-1252?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 18:51:47 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Good Citizen Microsoft In-Reply-To: <415AD259.5070608@comcast.net> References: <415AD259.5070608@comcast.net> Message-ID: <415B3C83.6050509@cmosnetworks.com> Let's not forget that they threatened school districts in their own backyard with audits unless they bought Software Assurance and Licensing 6.0. They backed off--at least in Oregon, I don't know about Washington--only after they saw the massive backlash and movement toward K12LTSP. Yeah...really good citizens...all the more reason to go with FOSS and projects like K12LTSP. --TP Rick Barnich wrote: > It occurred to me that when pitching K12LTSP, Linux and FOSS to school > systems, perhaps one should point out what a good neighbor Microsoft > is to the state of Washington. Recently, /Forbes/ ranked Seattle as > the most overpriced city in the country. Our school class sizes are > the fourth largest in the nation. Washington's percentage of residents > enrolled in college ranks 46th out of 50 states. Seattle teacher > salaries rank 97th out of 100 major cities. Our traffic is the 17th > worst in the country. And let's not forget more than 167,000 > Washington children without health care and the growing ranks of > homeless citizens staking out highway off-ramps in search of handouts. > > Seven years ago, Microsoft opened a small office in Reno, Nev., to > collect the money it got from PC manufacturers that installed Windows > and Office on the computers they sold. In the years since, Microsoft > has sheltered more than $60 billion in royalty revenue in Nevada, a > state with no corporate income tax, costing Washington an estimated > $327 million in unrealized tax revenue. > > Washington(state) collected $16.1 million in taxes on software > royalties of $3.3 billion for all companies over the past four years. > Yet Microsoft reported that it earned more than $34 billion in revenue > from PC and device manufacturers during the same period. Had Microsoft > paid taxes on this revenue in Washington, it should have generated > $164.5 million for the state?far more than the $16.1 million collected > on software sales by all companies. > > http://www.seattleweekly.com/features/0439/040929_news_microsoft.php > > Rick Barnich From haysja at sages.us Wed Sep 29 22:52:38 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 17:52:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Appletalk and K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <003501c4a659$7e8df830$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> References: <003501c4a659$7e8df830$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1096498358.415b3cb606c59@sages.us> Thank you Austin, Heath, and Jim. I will try those things in the morning. (I had to leave the problem for other issues.) I do not have the info hard coded in afpd.conf. (It is not in the other buildings either, but I guess I have been lucky so far. If this fixes the problem, I will make that change in the other servers at well.) Again, thank you. Jim Hays Monticello Schools From goblin at scooter.co.nz Wed Sep 29 23:34:44 2004 From: goblin at scooter.co.nz (goblin at scooter.co.nz) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 11:34:44 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Multiple logins UPDATE In-Reply-To: <41521F8B.6060900@netscape.net> References: <414ED83C.3060701@netscape.net> <200409211344.16448.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> <415049BA.7000704@netscape.net> <200409220849.52896.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> <41518138.5040405@netscape.net> <1095864975.24793.27.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <41519F05.4030104@netscape.net> <1095869229.24793.55.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <41521F8B.6060900@netscape.net> Message-ID: <415B4694.50202@scooter.co.nz> norbert wrote: > Hi Les, > > Well I've tried that script over and over but I get the same result ! > Once it runs and I restart dhcpd & xinetd none of the terminals can > login. The part for the groups seems to be good but it's of little use > if no one can login.... BTW I'm running this on a test machine ... > Probably getting headers from ps (use the "h" option) anyways try this see if it works ==========================8<============================== #!/bin/sh TTY="$(tty)" my_tty="${TTY##/dev/}" if [ -n "$(ps -u $LOGNAME h | grep -v $my_tty)" ]; then cat << EOF You already have an active session on this system and you are allowed a single session. This session will now be closed EOF sleep 2 exit fi ===============================>8============================ mRgOBLIN From cliebow at downeast.net Wed Sep 29 23:41:26 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 23:41:26 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] teachertool Message-ID: <200409292344.i8TNiwc09380@downeast.net> looking forward to yo"ur critique..if you can find the runspy lines just before "all its glory" you cas changs size of image...choose -viewonly or not add -l root so others can run it...myriad of options..chuck > Hi, > > Yes thank you, but I haven't had time to install it yet... soon > > thks > norbert > > cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > ot > >did you get what you needed??churitiqueck > > > > > > > >>Hi, > >> > >>Can I "roadtest your modification ? please.................................. > >> > >>thks > >>norbert > >> > >>cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>i have a revised TeaCh2.py and a n executable called x11vncnew..plus my > >>>working notes..i have better written up..chuck..reply off list and i will > >>>ship em to you.. > >>>This is primordial stuff..We are working on it at ltsp-by-the-sea in > >>> > >>> > >November > > > > > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>apt-get install teachertool > >>>> > >>>>that's all I did... =) > >>>>then right-click on desktop... create launcher... > >>>>stuck in the path of the file...and voila... > >>>> > >>>>--Huck > >>>> > >>>>Steve Hargadon wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>Is that now part of TeacherTool ? I'd love to be able to view students > >>>>>desktop while there're working !!!! How do I get my hands on this > >>>>>improvement ??? > >>>>> > >>>>>=========== > >>>>>uff > >>>>>I second that request! > >>>>> > >>>>>Steve Hargadon > >>>>> > >>>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>>K12OSN mailing list > >>>>>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>>>>For more info see > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>K12OSN mailing list > >>>>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>>>For more info see > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>--------------------------------------------- > >>>This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > >>>http://ellsworthme.com/ > >>> > >>> > >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>K12OSN mailing list > >>>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>>For more info see > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > > > > >--------------------------------------------- > >This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > >http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From glessard at coll-outao.qc.ca Thu Sep 30 01:22:22 2004 From: glessard at coll-outao.qc.ca (Guy Lessard) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 21:22:22 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Anyone accessing NDPS printers through K12LTSP? Message-ID: <415B5FCE.80900@coll-outao.qc.ca> I'm being forced by the administration to quit using Jetdirect connexion to the printer, does anyone use NDPS printers and if so how do you do it? From bear2bar at netscape.net Thu Sep 30 00:20:19 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 20:20:19 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] teachertool In-Reply-To: <200409292344.i8TNiwc09380@downeast.net> References: <200409292344.i8TNiwc09380@downeast.net> Message-ID: <415B5143.8040706@netscape.net> Hi, It'll have towait until next week we're stil dealing with other problems... like the net is no longer filtered, when only system updates have been applied to a 4.0.1 K12ltsp with squid & dansguardian ...... it was working but now nothing is being filtered ??? and stations are taking much too long to login but only certain ones. Again no major changes but ??? thks norbert cliebow at downeast.net wrote: >looking forward to yo"ur critique..if you can find the runspy lines just >before "all its glory" you cas changs size of image...choose -viewonly or >not add -l root so others can run it...myriad of options..chuck > > > >>Hi, >> >>Yes thank you, but I haven't had time to install it yet... soon >> >>thks >>norbert >> >>cliebow at downeast.net wrote: >>ot >> >> > > > >>>did you get what you needed??churitiqueck >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Hi, >>>> >>>>Can I "roadtest your modification ? >>>> >>>> >please.................................. > > >>>>thks >>>>norbert >>>> >>>>cliebow at downeast.net wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>i have a revised TeaCh2.py and a n executable called x11vncnew..plus my >>>>>working notes..i have better written up..chuck..reply off list and i will >>>>>ship em to you.. >>>>>This is primordial stuff..We are working on it at ltsp-by-the-sea in >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>November >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>apt-get install teachertool >>>>>> >>>>>>that's all I did... =) >>>>>>then right-click on desktop... create launcher... >>>>>>stuck in the path of the file...and voila... >>>>>> >>>>>>--Huck >>>>>> >>>>>>Steve Hargadon wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Is that now part of TeacherTool ? I'd love to be able to view students >>>>>>>desktop while there're working !!!! How do I get my hands on this >>>>>>>improvement ??? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>=========== >>>>>>>uff >>>>>>>I second that request! >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Steve Hargadon >>>>>>> >>>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>>K12OSN mailing list >>>>>>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>>>>For more info see >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>K12OSN mailing list >>>>>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>>>For more info see >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>--------------------------------------------- >>>>>This message was sent from Downeast.Net. >>>>>http://ellsworthme.com/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>K12OSN mailing list >>>>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>>For more info see >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>--------------------------------------------- >>>This message was sent from Downeast.Net. >>>http://ellsworthme.com/ >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >>> >>> >>> > > >--------------------------------------------- >This message was sent from Downeast.Net. >http://ellsworthme.com/ > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bear2bar at netscape.net Thu Sep 30 01:07:10 2004 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 21:07:10 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Multiple logins UPDATE In-Reply-To: <415B4694.50202@scooter.co.nz> References: <414ED83C.3060701@netscape.net> <200409211344.16448.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> <415049BA.7000704@netscape.net> <200409220849.52896.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> <41518138.5040405@netscape.net> <1095864975.24793.27.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <41519F05.4030104@netscape.net> <1095869229.24793.55.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <41521F8B.6060900@netscape.net> <415B4694.50202@scooter.co.nz> Message-ID: <415B5C3E.7070402@netscape.net> Hi, Thanks for the suggestion but I'm no further ahead.. well... at least users can still login, the same user can login multiple times . The script give me an "syntax error: unexpected end of file" What I need is also select the group that the users belong to prior to limiting their login, ie if 'groups | grep -q rhsstudents' then limit the login. What should be a simple task has turned into a nightmare ..... thks again for all the help norbert goblin at scooter.co.nz wrote: > norbert wrote: > >> Hi Les, >> >> Well I've tried that script over and over but I get the same result ! >> Once it runs and I restart dhcpd & xinetd none of the terminals can >> login. The part for the groups seems to be good but it's of little >> use if no one can login.... BTW I'm running this on a test machine ... >> > > Probably getting headers from ps (use the "h" option) > > anyways try this see if it works > > > ==========================8<============================== > #!/bin/sh > > > TTY="$(tty)" > my_tty="${TTY##/dev/}" > > if [ -n "$(ps -u $LOGNAME h | grep -v $my_tty)" ]; then > cat << EOF > > You already have an active session on this system and you are > allowed a single session. This session will now be closed > > EOF > > sleep 2 > > exit > > fi > ===============================>8============================ > > > > mRgOBLIN > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From goblin at scooter.co.nz Thu Sep 30 05:12:05 2004 From: goblin at scooter.co.nz (goblin at scooter.co.nz) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 17:12:05 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Multiple logins UPDATE In-Reply-To: <415B5C3E.7070402@netscape.net> References: <414ED83C.3060701@netscape.net> <200409211344.16448.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> <415049BA.7000704@netscape.net> <200409220849.52896.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> <41518138.5040405@netscape.net> <1095864975.24793.27.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <41519F05.4030104@netscape.net> <1095869229.24793.55.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <41521F8B.6060900@netscape.net> <415B4694.50202@scooter.co.nz> <415B5C3E.7070402@netscape.net> Message-ID: <415B95A5.1000605@scooter.co.nz> norbert wrote: > Hi, > > Thanks for the suggestion but I'm no further ahead.. well... at least > users can still login, the same user can login multiple times . > The script give me an "syntax error: unexpected end of file" > What I need is also select the group that the users belong to prior to > limiting their login, ie if 'groups | grep -q rhsstudents' then limit > the login. Hmm.. strange ... it works fine here. Probably some ps weirdness or something... The groups part is trivial to add later... first we need to see why this doesn't work. With a temporary shell on your test box I could probably figure it out in a couple of minutes... might even fix your dansguardian problem too :) Email me off list if this is okay with you. Regards mRgOBLIN From bimalp at indoasian.com Thu Sep 30 08:35:18 2004 From: bimalp at indoasian.com (bimal pandit) Date: 30 Sep 2004 14:05:18 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] send message to specific user(s) with xmessage? In-Reply-To: <1096468620.5794.1.camel@localhost> References: <20040923194727.506DA73371@hormel.redhat.com> <1096467945.25549.4.camel@discovery.media.local> <1096468620.5794.1.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1096533318.15688.9.camel@server.ltsp> hello all, > > > >So, This solution may not work at all if you're using GNOME. But it has > > > >been a great help to us. Also, using the write command from a terminal > > > >window has allowed our computer center techs to warn particular users. > > > >Same thing, set mesg to yes, use the write command to a specific user > > > >type in your message and it will pop up in kwrited on their screen. For > > > >instance: > > > > > > > >write jdoe > > > >Hey man...how's it going? > > > >ctrl+c > > > > > > > >Very handy. Again, I don't know if this will work with GNOME. > > > > though write is a console command so AFAK it should work in GNOME too, now when i did this, got.... [bimal at server bimal]$ write sbrawat write: sbrawat is not logged in and it logs out!! using gnome... on rh9 any suggestions?? regards, bimal > > > >Hope this all made sense. Let me know if it didn't. > > > > > > > >-Calvin > > > > > > > >On Thu, 2004-09-23 at 12:32, Huck wrote: > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From olachere at groupemalakoff.com Thu Sep 30 08:36:31 2004 From: olachere at groupemalakoff.com (Olivier LACHERE) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 10:36:31 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Modify Greeter screen in K12LTSP Message-ID: <003b01c4a6c8$973046d0$01aba00a@LANAABO1> Hi, I'm new(bee) user of K12LTSP . I recently passed whole days to search a tip over Internet about custom K12LTSP Greeter .. But I can't find anything. I would like to disable some possibilities over K12LTSP Greeter (disable "Session", "Language", 'Theme" and "Disconnect" menus), but I still haven't found how. Some posts talk about "Theme editing" but I don't know which file(s). If someone could help me .. Thanks for it ! See ya. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Sep 30 10:17:05 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 10:17:05 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Modify Greeter screen in K12LTSP Message-ID: <200409301020.i8UAKYS22715@downeast.net> if you are talking kdm those things are contolled by kdmrc.. > Hi, > I'm new(bee) user of K12LTSP . I recently passed whole days to search a > tip over Internet about custom K12LTSP Greeter .. But I can't find > anything. > I would like to disable some possibilities over K12LTSP Greeter (disable > "Session", "Language", 'Theme" and "Disconnect" menus), but I still > haven't found how. > Some posts talk about "Theme editing" but I don't know which file(s). > > If someone could help me .. Thanks for it ! > > See ya. > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From bimalp at indoasian.com Thu Sep 30 11:45:49 2004 From: bimalp at indoasian.com (bimal pandit) Date: 30 Sep 2004 17:15:49 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Changed Icons -- Strange!! Message-ID: <1096544749.15688.43.camel@server.ltsp> hello Matt,David and steve thanks for the reply. --- bimal pandit wrote: > Hello all, > > Yesterday, i had an unexpected problem as ... > > when i logged in as a normal user, to my surprise i > found that the icons > on my desktop has been changed!!, they have become > as a paper shape > with a turn at one of the corner(bookmark type)while > earlier i had users > home, trash, start here,nautilus etc. all looking as > their original > icons, the thing is how it has happened and why that > too without my > knowledge... > > now in this situation i would like to know :- > > 1) what has happened(seems some gnome conf file has > changed!! ... my > view) > > 2) why it has happened??, is that normal?? has > someone also faced the > same situation?? > > 3) how may i get back the original settings(icons)?? > > 4) Preventive measure to be followed. > > any other info or suggestions are always welcomed. > > i am using redhat 9, gnome 2.2 suggestion from Matt Johnson ---------------------------- My Debian box did this, this week. It was because I was logged on as the same user twice on the same box (via two different xterminals using xdmcp). If you're not doing this, it may still be something to do with locking of directories or similar? suggestion from David N. Trask ------------------------------ Have you recently switched between kdm and gdm? If so that's what did it for me last time.....simply deleting the gconfd file in the users home directly managed to get me back in business. suggestion from Steve --------------------- I had this happen, and I googled quite a bit, but could not find a solution. It was some kind of gnome theme problem, and I ended up reinstalling. If you go to preferences > theme and can't get the theme preferences box to come up, it's likely you're in the same situation. No Luck yet!!, also all the icons from the main/start menu also has lost, and when i do Main --> Preference --> Theme i get this error "the default theme schemes could not be found on,this means that you probably don't have metacity installed or your gconf is configured incorrectly" i deleted .gconf,gconfd,.metacity and at next login they got created but the situation remained the same..... hope to get some more suggestions. regards bimal pandit From olachere at groupemalakoff.com Thu Sep 30 12:20:44 2004 From: olachere at groupemalakoff.com (Olivier LACHERE) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 14:20:44 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Modify Greeter screen in K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <200409301020.i8UAKYS22715@downeast.net> Message-ID: <008a01c4a6e7$e904f950$01aba00a@LANAABO1> I'm not trying to customize, but to disable those kdm items - or - make it disappear if you prefer that :) (sorry for my poor english) Any idea ? -----Message d'origine----- De?: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] De la part de cliebow at downeast.net Envoy??: jeudi 30 septembre 2004 12:17 ??: Support list for opensource software in schools. Objet?: Re: [K12OSN] Modify Greeter screen in K12LTSP if you are talking kdm those things are contolled by kdmrc.. > Hi, > I'm new(bee) user of K12LTSP . I recently passed whole days to search a > tip over Internet about custom K12LTSP Greeter .. But I can't find > anything. > I would like to disable some possibilities over K12LTSP Greeter (disable > "Session", "Language", 'Theme" and "Disconnect" menus), but I still > haven't found how. > Some posts talk about "Theme editing" but I don't know which file(s). > > If someone could help me .. Thanks for it ! > > See ya. > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Sep 30 12:06:52 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 12:06:52 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Modify Greeter screen in K12LTSP Message-ID: <200409301210.i8UCAJS05013@downeast.net> if using kdm you can remove session options...change logo all sorts of stu ff .it is pretty cool really...chuck > > I'm not trying to customize, but to disable those kdm items - or - make > it disappear if you prefer that :) (sorry for my poor english) > > Any idea ? > ff..chuck > -----Message d'origine----- > De : k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] De la > part de cliebow at downeast.net > Envoy? : jeudi 30 septembre 2004 12:17 > ? : Support list for opensource software in schools. > Objet : Re: [K12OSN] Modify Greeter screen in K12LTSP > > if you are talking kdm those things are contolled by kdmrc.. > > > > Hi, > > I'm new(bee) user of K12LTSP . I recently passed whole days to search > a > > tip over Internet about custom K12LTSP Greeter .. But I can't find > > anything. > > I would like to disable some possibilities over K12LTSP Greeter > (disable > > "Session", "Language", 'Theme" and "Disconnect" menus), but I still > > haven't found how. > > Some posts talk about "Theme editing" but I don't know which file(s). > > > > If someone could help me .. Thanks for it ! > > > > See ya. > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From olachere at groupemalakoff.com Thu Sep 30 12:40:10 2004 From: olachere at groupemalakoff.com (Olivier LACHERE) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 14:40:10 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Modify Greeter screen in K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <200409301210.i8UCAJS05013@downeast.net> Message-ID: <008b01c4a6ea$a09fc5c0$01aba00a@LANAABO1> I suppose that it uses kdm, I've not changed anything since K12LTSP installation. It seems to be effectively kdm but how can I remove session otions ? modifying kdmrc doesn't work (I just try modify "SessionTypes" to keep only one type, but the "Session" Menu in Greeter always show all sessions types). For information, I connect to K12LTSP with a Fedora Workstation by typing : X :1 -query -----Message d'origine----- De?: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] De la part de cliebow at downeast.net Envoy??: jeudi 30 septembre 2004 14:07 ??: Support list for opensource software in schools. Objet?: Re: RE : [K12OSN] Modify Greeter screen in K12LTSP if using kdm you can remove session options...change logo all sorts of stu ff .it is pretty cool really...chuck > > I'm not trying to customize, but to disable those kdm items - or - make > it disappear if you prefer that :) (sorry for my poor english) > > Any idea ? > ff..chuck > -----Message d'origine----- > De : k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] De la > part de cliebow at downeast.net > Envoy? : jeudi 30 septembre 2004 12:17 > ? : Support list for opensource software in schools. > Objet : Re: [K12OSN] Modify Greeter screen in K12LTSP > > if you are talking kdm those things are contolled by kdmrc.. > > > > Hi, > > I'm new(bee) user of K12LTSP . I recently passed whole days to search > a > > tip over Internet about custom K12LTSP Greeter .. But I can't find > > anything. > > I would like to disable some possibilities over K12LTSP Greeter > (disable > > "Session", "Language", 'Theme" and "Disconnect" menus), but I still > > haven't found how. > > Some posts talk about "Theme editing" but I don't know which file(s). > > > > If someone could help me .. Thanks for it ! > > > > See ya. > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From lsrpm at mts.net Thu Sep 30 12:54:05 2004 From: lsrpm at mts.net (Liam Marshall) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 07:54:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] TeacherTool In-Reply-To: <200409281919.i8SJJxW05878@downeast.net> References: <200409281919.i8SJJxW05878@downeast.net> Message-ID: <1096548845.12630.1.camel@server.ltsp> On Tue, 2004-09-28 at 14:16, cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > i'd bet eric harrison can make it work.....or Chris Johnson...chiuck > > On Tue, 2004-09-28 at 12:46, Liam Marshall wrote: > > > On Tue, 2004-09-28 at 12:12, Huck wrote: > > > > Posting TeacherTool: > > > > Hopes it's okay to do so... > > > > > > > > > > > this works better. Now I get a list of gdm at ws187.ltsp etc.... > > > but they are all just sitting at the login waiting. My own username > > > shows up and I can manipulate it, but none of the other users currently > > > logged on > > > > > > Why would this be? > > > > > I just discovered what is happening myself, although I don't understand > > why. > > > > I made each student's username their individual school provided unique > > student number. (ie 04-111 for John Doe) I did it that way to make it > > easy to create 600+ users from an exported file. It had the advantage > > of being unique for everyone and easy for them to remember. > > > > Unfortunately, Linux utilities do not seem to like usernames that begin > > with numbers. > > > > TeacherTool ignores users who's username does not begin with a letter. > > Bummer, Sh**t and other expletives! I shot myself in the foot. I made > > my life easy at the beginning of the year now I can't use TeacherTool > > because of it!!! > > > > Unless someone knows how to correct this issue? > > > > Please > > I would love it if someone could modify it for me, if possible. the idea of using student numbers for their usernames is just too tempting to pass up. I would dearly love for TeacherTool to troll for usernames beginning with numbers as well as letters From les at futuresource.com Thu Sep 30 13:42:21 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 08:42:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] TeacherTool In-Reply-To: <1096548845.12630.1.camel@server.ltsp> References: <200409281919.i8SJJxW05878@downeast.net> <1096548845.12630.1.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <1096551740.14935.17.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2004-09-30 at 07:54, Liam Marshall wrote: > I would love it if someone could modify it for me, if possible. the > idea of using student numbers for their usernames is just too tempting > to pass up. I would dearly love for TeacherTool to troll for usernames > beginning with numbers as well as letters This can probably be done as a quick-fix to this application, but you'll keep hitting the same problem again as you use other programs. Unix always maps login names and groups to its own number concept (uid,gid) and there are always going to be programs that try to be helpful and accept either the number or name but will be confused if a name is numeric but not the ascii representation of the underlying internal number. It might be interesting to force the uid's to match the numeric names as you add users but you'd be better off in the long run to add an alpha prefix to distinguish the two forms. That only requires a tiny amount of extra work in scripted management and removes any conceptual confusion. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From david at okgoodwill.org Thu Sep 30 14:08:23 2004 From: david at okgoodwill.org (David H. Barr) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 09:08:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] (no subject) Message-ID: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E282119D07@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> Greetings, List! I've finally gotten enough of my urgent projects completed that I have a few days to focus on an IMPORTANT project; that of converting our old email server into a K12LTSP server. I rsync'ed my 4.0.1 images to 4.1.0 overnight, and ran the install this morning -- flawless! Then, after installing, I noticed all the LDAP / KB5 stuff. Wow! It never occurred to me that I could use the K12LTSP box as a PDC! I had originally planned to use an old nt 4.0 license in there to take care of the Windows boxes (we keep the lab on it's own domain and subnet). At any rate, I say all that to say this: I went around looking for HOW-TO's on the subject of using JUST my K12LTSP box as the sole authentication for a mixed MS and *nix network, and all my searches led me here: http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Technical:LDAP Sadly, all the links from that page appear to be outdated / broken. My question for you today, then, is this: Where can I find current documentation on setting up K12LTSP as a PDC? -dBarr. From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Sep 30 16:15:35 2004 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 09:15:35 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] flushing out my backlog... testing for version 4.1.1, followed by 3.2.0, then a 4.2.0 test build Message-ID: <1096560934.16122.23.camel@server.ltsp> I've worked really hard over the last week or two to get caught back up after the standard start-of-school crunch. I'm close to having K12LTSP 4.1.1 ready to go, mostly need to do some more testing and hopefully include the new version of TuxPaint that Bill keeps promising ;-) If you want to help with the testing of the updated 4.1.x packages, they are available here: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/ There are major updates to mindi, mondo, mozilla, qcad, scribus, and squidGuard that need as much testing as possible. If there are any other major bugs or updates I've missed, please let me know... If you really want the full test-build ISOs (not production quality!), they are here: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/4.1.1/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/4.1.1/ . Assuming all goes well, I'll try to have 4.1.1 ready by Monday. I'm also fairly close to having a K12LTSP 3.2.0 beta available. I have been investigating moving from WhiteBox to Centos. Centos seems to be doing a better job at keeping in sync with RHEL, which is important to me since I'm working on RHEL boxes at work... I believe I have all of the critical installer bugs squashed. What I need to do now is finish off 4.1.1 & then back-port the packages to the 3.2.0 build. This is mostly done. Finally, in my copious spare time I have installed Fedora Core 3 test 2 on my laptop and have been keeping in sync with rawhide. All of the tricky installer code ported over from FC2 without modification, that is really good news ;-). There are a couple show-stopping NFS bugs that are known/being worked on, once this is fixed I'll probably put out a set of K12LTSP 4.2.0 test ISOs for you all to start playing with. The final FC3 release is currently slated for November 1st. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Sep 30 17:27:59 2004 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 10:27:59 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E282119D07@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> References: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E282119D07@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> Message-ID: <415C421F.5000107@paasda.org> O'Reilly used to post their old edition of Samba on the web... I do it without LDAP....David Trask has a nice LDAP/Samba howto. --Huck David H. Barr wrote: >Greetings, List! > >I've finally gotten enough of my urgent projects completed that I have a >few days to focus on an IMPORTANT project; that of converting our old >email server into a K12LTSP server. I rsync'ed my 4.0.1 images to 4.1.0 >overnight, and ran the install this morning -- flawless! > >Then, after installing, I noticed all the LDAP / KB5 stuff. Wow! It >never occurred to me that I could use the K12LTSP box as a PDC! I had >originally planned to use an old nt 4.0 license in there to take care of >the Windows boxes (we keep the lab on it's own domain and subnet). > >At any rate, I say all that to say this: I went around looking for >HOW-TO's on the subject of using JUST my K12LTSP box as the sole >authentication for a mixed MS and *nix network, and all my searches led >me here: > >http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Technical:LDAP > >Sadly, all the links from that page appear to be outdated / broken. My >question for you today, then, is this: Where can I find current >documentation on setting up K12LTSP as a PDC? > >-dBarr. > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From haysja at sages.us Thu Sep 30 17:55:48 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 12:55:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <415C421F.5000107@paasda.org> References: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E282119D07@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> <415C421F.5000107@paasda.org> Message-ID: <415C48A4.7030402@sages.us> If K12LTSP is your PDC, would you need LDAP? Huck wrote: > O'Reilly used to post their old edition of Samba on the web... > I do it without LDAP....David Trask has a nice LDAP/Samba howto. > > --Huck > > David H. Barr wrote: > >> Greetings, List! >> >> I've finally gotten enough of my urgent projects completed that I have a >> few days to focus on an IMPORTANT project; that of converting our old >> email server into a K12LTSP server. I rsync'ed my 4.0.1 images to 4.1.0 >> overnight, and ran the install this morning -- flawless! >> >> Then, after installing, I noticed all the LDAP / KB5 stuff. Wow! It >> never occurred to me that I could use the K12LTSP box as a PDC! I had >> originally planned to use an old nt 4.0 license in there to take care of >> the Windows boxes (we keep the lab on it's own domain and subnet). >> >> At any rate, I say all that to say this: I went around looking for >> HOW-TO's on the subject of using JUST my K12LTSP box as the sole >> authentication for a mixed MS and *nix network, and all my searches led >> me here: >> >> http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Technical:LDAP >> >> Sadly, all the links from that page appear to be outdated / broken. My >> question for you today, then, is this: Where can I find current >> documentation on setting up K12LTSP as a PDC? >> >> -dBarr. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From les at futuresource.com Thu Sep 30 18:58:28 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 13:58:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <415C48A4.7030402@sages.us> References: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E282119D07@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> <415C421F.5000107@paasda.org> <415C48A4.7030402@sages.us> Message-ID: <1096570708.9330.41.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2004-09-30 at 12:55, Jim Hays wrote: > If K12LTSP is your PDC, would you need LDAP? If you only log into one Linux box (thin clients don't count) and you configure samba as a PDC on it, you shouldn't need LDAP. If you add application servers, NFS-mounted home dirs from another box, or workstations with a local Linux installed you would want LDAP or NIS. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From haysja at sages.us Thu Sep 30 20:01:23 2004 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 15:01:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Appletalk and K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <003501c4a659$7e8df830$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> References: <003501c4a659$7e8df830$fb99060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <415C6613.4030909@sages.us> First of all, thanks again to Jim, Heath, and Austin. The "hard coding" of the server in the afpd.conf file seemed to be the issue that did the trick. Now I have a related issue. One one of the server that I repaires - not the one that was the reason for starting this thread - I can now log in, but no volumes appear (OSX). Once again, I can log in with SMB with no problem, but AFP does not show any volumes. I have checked and checked and checked the AppleVolumes.default file and manually set the -sysvol file in afpd.conf. Any ideas. TIA > > From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Thu Sep 30 20:17:43 2004 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 16:17:43 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <415C421F.5000107@paasda.org> References: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E282119D07@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> <415C421F.5000107@paasda.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, September 30, 2004 at 1:27 PM +0000 wrote: >David Trask has a nice LDAP/Samba howto. And here it is! http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/Samba-LDAP.pdf As for the PDC vs. LDAP argument....if you can do it....LDAP is much more powerful in that it gives you a multitude of options in the future....example....need to add another K12LSP server to deal with load....make one and simply point it to the Samba/LDAP box.....done.....etc.etc. Works great! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From rusek at gybon.cz Thu Sep 30 21:11:43 2004 From: rusek at gybon.cz (Ondrej Rusek) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 23:11:43 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Modify Greeter screen in K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <008b01c4a6ea$a09fc5c0$01aba00a@LANAABO1> References: <008b01c4a6ea$a09fc5c0$01aba00a@LANAABO1> Message-ID: <415C768F.6070803@gybon.cz> Olivier LACHERE napsal(a): > I suppose that it uses kdm, I've not changed anything since K12LTSP > installation. It seems to be effectively kdm but how can I remove > session otions ? modifying kdmrc doesn't work (I just try modify > "SessionTypes" to keep only one type, but the "Session" Menu in Greeter > always show all sessions types). Try kill the process of kdm (PID of 'ps aux | grep /usr/bin/kdm'). Kdm will started with changed kdmrc. -- S pozdravem -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Ondrej Rusek GYmnazium BOzeny Nemcove, Hradec Kralove mail: rusek at gybon.cz web: http://www.gybon.cz/~rusek =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Sep 30 20:51:40 2004 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 20:51:40 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Modify Greeter screen in K12LTSP Message-ID: <200409302055.i8UKt5S24673@downeast.net> Huh..i'll have to look at my own kdmrc.....hang by a little.. > I suppose that it uses kdm, I've not changed anything since K12LTSP > installation. It seems to be effectively kdm but how can I remove > session otions ? modifying kdmrc doesn't work (I just try modify > "SessionTypes" to keep only one type, but the "Session" Menu in Greeter > always show all sessions types). > > For information, I connect to K12LTSP with a Fedora Workstation by > typing : > > X :1 -query > > > -----Message d'origine----- > De : k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] De la > part de cliebow at downeast.net > Envoy? : jeudi 30 septembre 2004 14:07 > ? : Support list for opensource software in schools. > Objet : Re: RE : [K12OSN] Modify Greeter screen in K12LTSP > > if using kdm you can remove session options...change logo all sorts of > stu > ff .it is pretty cool really...chuck > > > > I'm not trying to customize, but to disable those kdm items - or - > make > > it disappear if you prefer that :) (sorry for my poor english) > > > > Any idea ? > > ff..chuck > > -----Message d'origine----- > > De : k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] De > la > > part de cliebow at downeast.net > > Envoy? : jeudi 30 septembre 2004 12:17 > > ? : Support list for opensource software in schools. > > Objet : Re: [K12OSN] Modify Greeter screen in K12LTSP > > > > if you are talking kdm those things are contolled by kdmrc.. > > > > > > > Hi, > > > I'm new(bee) user of K12LTSP . I recently passed whole days to > search > > a > > > tip over Internet about custom K12LTSP Greeter .. But I can't find > > > anything. > > > I would like to disable some possibilities over K12LTSP Greeter > > (disable > > > "Session", "Language", 'Theme" and "Disconnect" menus), but I still > > > haven't found how. > > > Some posts talk about "Theme editing" but I don't know which > file(s). > > > > > > If someone could help me .. Thanks for it ! > > > > > > See ya. > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > > http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From les at futuresource.com Thu Sep 30 21:26:10 2004 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 16:26:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] flushing out my backlog... testing for version 4.1.1, followed by 3.2.0, then a 4.2.0 test build In-Reply-To: <1096560934.16122.23.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1096560934.16122.23.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <1096579570.9921.3.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2004-09-30 at 11:15, Eric Harrison wrote: > I have > been investigating moving from WhiteBox to Centos. Centos seems to be > doing a better job at keeping in sync with RHEL, which is important to > me since I'm working on RHEL boxes at work... Centos looks more like a real group project, but ummm, errr.., maybe OS distributions done as a one-man-show aren't a problem for you. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From microman at cmosnetworks.com Thu Sep 30 21:39:01 2004 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 17:39:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Anyone accessing NDPS printers through K12LTSP? In-Reply-To: <415B5FCE.80900@coll-outao.qc.ca> References: <415B5FCE.80900@coll-outao.qc.ca> Message-ID: <415C7CF5.6000603@cmosnetworks.com> Guy Lessard wrote: > I'm being forced by the administration to quit using Jetdirect > connexion to the printer, does anyone use NDPS printers and if so how > do you do it? > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > WARNING: This is not a direct answer to your question, but hopefully it's useful. Not being familiar with Novell NDS--other than it's a tweak of LDAP--I did a little Googling on this subject, and it appears that NDPS is basically the Novell equivalent UNIX's "IP Printing" functionality or Windows's "TCP/IP Printing" functionality. In all three cases, JetDirect cards or their equivalents are needed. I don't know if the JetDirect card allows for accepting jobs from only certain IP addresses (i. e. certain servers). If it does, then you can filter for just your "print queue" server. If not, then, unless you hang the printer off the LPT port, anyone's going to be able to print to your printer via JetDirect anyway, unless your switch supports MAC address filtering. If the switch does, then you can lock the printer's switch port down by MAC address. In either case, you can indeed set up a "print queue" server to handle all user requests instead of having them go directly to the JetDirect card. Matter of fact, you can use your K12LTSP server for this. :-) It's actually quite easy with the Red Hat "printconf" utility (might be called "redhat-config-printer" these days). Then, you'd go to your workstations, delete the existing local print queue, and re-make one pointing to the K12LTSP server's print queue. Thus, people aren't going directly to the JetDirect card, which hopefully will satisfy your administration. --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From staffords at glenburn.net Thu Sep 30 21:51:40 2004 From: staffords at glenburn.net (Shane Stafford) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 17:51:40 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] avi files on ltsp In-Reply-To: <1096570708.9330.41.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E282119D07@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> < > <415C421F.5000107@paasda.org> <415C48A4.7030402@sages.us> <1096570708.9330.41.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: anyone have any experience using avi files on ltsp, if so what did you install? We have a web page that contains an avi file that 3rd grade teachers want to use for an assessment. thanks Shane Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer S & B Consulting From nbs at sonic.net Thu Sep 30 22:29:30 2004 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 15:29:30 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] avi files on ltsp In-Reply-To: References: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E282119D07@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> <415C421F.5000107@paasda.org> <415C48A4.7030402@sages.us> <1096570708.9330.41.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <20040930222930.GA13482@sonic.net> On Thu, Sep 30, 2004 at 05:51:40PM -0400, Shane Stafford wrote: > anyone have any experience using avi files on ltsp, if so what did you > install? > We have a web page that contains an avi file that 3rd grade teachers want > to use for an assessment. No experience with LTSP, but Mplayer should be able to handle it, if available. Though there may be some issue with getting the appropriate stuff to play the AVIs. (DLLs, maybe?) Another alternative is to use the Mplayer tool "mencoder" to convert the AVI into something more easily accessed (e.g., MPEG). Good luck! -bill! bill at newbreedsoftware.com New Breed Software http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/ Tux Paint 0.9.14 -- Coming soon! From be_j_ma at optusnet.com.au Thu Sep 30 22:41:30 2004 From: be_j_ma at optusnet.com.au (ben may) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 08:41:30 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Web Cam to Web Page Message-ID: <003701c4a73e$a287db80$25c4a4cb@boss> Hello everyone, I want to hook up my web cam to my server and display that oveer my network via http/apache. If anyone has done this or similar some pointers would be nice. i found a good how-to (www.aboutdebian.com/webcam.htm) although this is for debian it has alot of similarities also some differences. if anyone know of a more relevant how-to it would be appreciaed. Regards, Ben May be_j_ma at optusnet.com.au From sudev at mantraonline.com Thu Sep 30 14:45:54 2004 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 20:15:54 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Modify Greeter screen in K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <008b01c4a6ea$a09fc5c0$01aba00a@LANAABO1> References: <008b01c4a6ea$a09fc5c0$01aba00a@LANAABO1> Message-ID: <1096555553.2538.3.camel@roop.ltsp> On Thu, 2004-09-30 at 18:10, Olivier LACHERE wrote: > I suppose that it uses kdm, I've not changed anything since K12LTSP > installation. It seems to be effectively kdm but how can I remove > session otions ? modifying kdmrc doesn't work (I just try modify > "SessionTypes" to keep only one type, but the "Session" Menu in Greeter > always show all sessions types). The file you have to edit is /etc/sysconfig/desktop If you want to use gnome just the following line should be there: DISPLAYMANAGER="GNOME" If you want to use KDE the two lines: DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE" DESKTOP="KDE" To do any changes to log in menu under KDE go to control center and find login menu under administration. HTH -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux