From brcisna at frontiernet.net Fri Apr 1 00:30:57 2005 From: brcisna at frontiernet.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 18:30:57 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] segmentation faults, whats causes them? Message-ID: <000d01c53652$13562cc0$01fea8c0@brcHOST> HI All, Would anyone have any ideas..on what would be causing segmentaion faults,,randomly on any one of the four servers i have running on our network,, These servers ran fine with K12LTSP 4.1.1 and now after >trying< to be running on 4.2.0 after only one/two/three days,,when one of the servers is rebooted,,,for variuos reasons any one of the four will should "segmenation faults" on reboot. Also, when this happens (& I dont even know which,is causing what?), one or two of the other servers will also go to a "blank" desktop,,& rebooting these servers will also, show segmentation faults at boot,,the next reboot. I ve only had one of the servers actualy lockup,,while in use,,since doing a fresh install of 4.2.0...so this really has me baffled.I know this usually indicates a memory & or a HD prob,,,but why does this cause the other servers in "the farm" to die immedialtley? I m almost wondering if I have a "loop" goign in my network,,via NFS and it sends some code,,to the kernel>> I m stumped on it,, BTW ive changed a few nics,, and have a hodge podge of network cards,,in these four servers,trying to see if a diff NIC combo resolves the prob., I ve also reburned the ISO's and witha second thrid download,,seeing if this made any diff,,, No joy:(. they install without a blurb,,on all four servers, Any ideas would be a hope!! Take Care-- Barry CIsna RR1 Box 213 Gladstone, IL 61437 brcisna at frontiernet.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brcisna at frontiernet.net Fri Apr 1 00:54:20 2005 From: brcisna at frontiernet.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 18:54:20 -0600 Subject: Fw: [K12OSN] segmentation faults, whats causes them? Message-ID: <003601c53655$57906c90$01fea8c0@brcHOST> ----- Original Message ----- From: Barry R Cisna To: K12OSN Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 6:30 PM Subject: [K12OSN] segmentation faults, whats causes them? HI All, Would anyone have any ideas..on what would be causing segmentaion faults,,randomly on any one of the four servers i have running on our network,, These servers ran fine with K12LTSP 4.1.1 and now after >trying< to be running on 4.2.0 after only one/two/three days,,when one of the servers is rebooted,,,for variuos reasons any one of the four will should "segmenation faults" on reboot. Also, when this happens (& I dont even know which,is causing what?), one or two of the other servers will also go to a "blank" desktop,,& rebooting these servers will also, show segmentation faults at boot,,the next reboot. I ve only had one of the servers actualy lockup,,while in use,,since doing a fresh install of 4.2.0...so this really has me baffled.I know this usually indicates a memory & or a HD prob,,,but why does this cause the other servers in "the farm" to die immedialtley? I m almost wondering if I have a "loop" goign in my network,,via NFS and it sends some code,,to the kernel>> I m stumped on it,, BTW ive changed a few nics,, and have a hodge podge of network cards,,in these four servers,trying to see if a diff NIC combo resolves the prob., I ve also reburned the ISO's and witha second thrid download,,seeing if this made any diff,,, No joy:(. they install without a blurb,,on all four servers, Any ideas would be a hope!! 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URL: From bear2bar at netscape.net Fri Apr 1 01:03:02 2005 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 20:03:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] 4.2.1 & SMP Message-ID: <424C9DC6.4010308@netscape.net> Hi, Does anyone konw if there's support for dual processors in 4.2.1 ? thks norbert From brcisna at frontiernet.net Fri Apr 1 01:05:55 2005 From: brcisna at frontiernet.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 19:05:55 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] segmentation faults,what causes them Message-ID: <004501c53656$f59cf9c0$01fea8c0@brcHOST> HI All, Would anyone have any ideas..on what would be causing segmentaion faults,,randomly on any one of the four servers i have running on our network,, These servers ran fine with K12LTSP 4.1.1 and now after >trying< to be running on 4.2.0 after only one/two/three days,,when one of the servers is rebooted,,,for variuos reasons any one of the four will should "segmenation faults" on reboot. Also, when this happens (& I dont even know which,is causing what?), one or two of the other servers will also go to a "blank" desktop,,& rebooting these servers will also, show segmentation faults at boot,,the next reboot. I ve only had one of the servers actualy lockup,,while in use,,since doing a fresh install of 4.2.0...so this really has me baffled.I know this usually indicates a memory & or a HD prob,,,but why does this cause the other servers in "the farm" to die immedialtley? I m almost wondering if I have a "loop" goign in my network,,via NFS and it sends some code,,to the kernel>> I m stumped on it,, BTW ive changed a few nics,, and have a hodge podge of network cards,,in these four servers,trying to see if a diff NIC combo resolves the prob., the bottom line,, once i get all the segmentation lines,,,at reboot,,and stops,,,my only option is to do a fresh install. doing an update,,of course,,simply fails,,,:(. I ve also reburned the ISO's and witha second thrid download,,seeing if this made any diff,,, No joy:(. they install without a blurb,,on all four servers, Any ideas would be a hope!! Take Care-- Barry CIsna RR1 Box 213 Gladstone, IL 61437 brcisna at frontiernet.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aahodson at episd.org Fri Apr 1 01:51:16 2005 From: aahodson at episd.org (Alan Hodson) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 18:51:16 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Sharing a life-saving command Message-ID: Hi folks After a K12LTSP 4.2 yum update, and some minor tweaks, one of the servers that is heavily used at a middle school I work with (keyboarding) started behaving very strangly giving me on reboot 'portmap errors while loading shared libraries' leading to more permission denied errors, nfs quota errors, and many more! Long story short - as root I was able to execute restorecon -R / and while it took quite a while, the next reboot came up roses. Perhaps some of our gurus can explain what this command does - all I know is today it was a life saver for me, and I wanted to share it with the group. Cheers Alan A Hodson MEd. oF: 915-587-1170 fX: 915-587-1161 aahodson at episd.org http://links.episd.org . . . " If we teach today's students as we taught yesterdays, we rob them of tomorrow " . . . . John Dewey -=o=- From nsinton at gmail.com Fri Apr 1 02:05:22 2005 From: nsinton at gmail.com (Nathan Sinton) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 19:05:22 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] 4.2.1 & SMP In-Reply-To: <424C9DC6.4010308@netscape.net> References: <424C9DC6.4010308@netscape.net> Message-ID: <2b06a1a05033118054ad81138@mail.gmail.com> I'm using dual processors with 4.2.0 so 4.2.1 ought to have SMP support. -Nathan On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 20:03:02 -0500, norbert wrote: > Hi, > > Does anyone konw if there's support for dual processors in 4.2.1 ? > > thks > norbert > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Fri Apr 1 10:35:05 2005 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 02:35:05 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] 4.2.1 & SMP In-Reply-To: <424C9DC6.4010308@netscape.net> References: <424C9DC6.4010308@netscape.net> Message-ID: <424D23D9.9090402@parkrose.k12.or.us> norbert wrote: > Does anyone konw if there's support for dual processors in 4.2.1 ? yum install kernel-smp and you're good to go. -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From bear2bar at netscape.net Fri Apr 1 02:51:22 2005 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 21:51:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] 4.2.1 & SMP In-Reply-To: <424D23D9.9090402@parkrose.k12.or.us> References: <424C9DC6.4010308@netscape.net> <424D23D9.9090402@parkrose.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <424CB72A.6040904@netscape.net> Hi Dan Thank you, might I ask another question ? Do you know what file has the selection of the different desktop managers, i.e. gnome, kde, etc so that when presented with the login screen you can select the one you want. My upgrade from 4.1.1 to 4.2.1 & apt updates/upgrades seems to have destroyed all my managers... thks norbert dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us wrote: > norbert wrote: > >> Does anyone konw if there's support for dual processors in 4.2.1 ? > > > yum install kernel-smp > > and you're good to go. > > -- > Dan Young > Parkrose School District > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From bill at computassist.com Fri Apr 1 03:37:09 2005 From: bill at computassist.com (Bill Bardon) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 21:37:09 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Flash Animation In-Reply-To: <424C118F.5050306@jsoft.com> References: <424C0C3F.6070703@honeygroveisd.net> <424C118F.5050306@jsoft.com> Message-ID: <20050331213709.0a2871c3@localhost.localdomain> On Thursday, Mar 31 Gary Frederick wrote: > OOo can output Flash. Or so I have been told... OOo works OK for slide shows when exported to flash, but there are no transitions or animation. -- Bill Bardon COMPUTASSIST Omaha, Nebraska http://www.computassist.com From bill at computassist.com Fri Apr 1 03:54:21 2005 From: bill at computassist.com (Bill Bardon) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 21:54:21 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: best wireless card for dell laptop In-Reply-To: <424C5893.5010302@redeemer.qld.edu.au> References: <424C5893.5010302@redeemer.qld.edu.au> Message-ID: <20050331215421.14eb423a@localhost.localdomain> On Friday, Apr 01 Debbie Schiel wrote: > SO I'm going to invest in a NEW card and I'm hoping that someone on > the list could offer some advice on the best wireless card that'll > work with a DELL Inspiron 1150 laptop running Fedora Core 2 OS. Go with Proxim's ORiNOCO Classic Gold if you only need 11Mbs rates. Well supported in Linux. http://www.proxim.com/products/wifi/client/goldpccard/index.html -- Bill Bardon COMPUTASSIST Omaha, Nebraska http://www.computassist.com From hendersonh at unit5.org Fri Apr 1 03:59:34 2005 From: hendersonh at unit5.org (Heath Henderson) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 21:59:34 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: best wireless card for dell laptop Message-ID: I think you can get an internal Wireless Adapter (Mini-PCI) for the 1150. You can't for the 1100 (I have one of those), but the 1150 I think is setup to take one. Check their website. That is the best route if it will accept one. I think we got one of their 1350 Mini-PCI cards for 29 bucks or something like that. Heath Henderson Assistant Technology Administrator McLean County Unit 5 Schools Normal, IL 61761 "Computers, sometimes they work, sometimes they don't!" >>> bill at computassist.com 03/31/05 9:54 PM >>> On Friday, Apr 01 Debbie Schiel wrote: > SO I'm going to invest in a NEW card and I'm hoping that someone on > the list could offer some advice on the best wireless card that'll > work with a DELL Inspiron 1150 laptop running Fedora Core 2 OS. Go with Proxim's ORiNOCO Classic Gold if you only need 11Mbs rates. Well supported in Linux. http://www.proxim.com/products/wifi/client/goldpccard/index.html -- Bill Bardon COMPUTASSIST Omaha, Nebraska http://www.computassist.com _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From steve.honeycutt at gmail.com Fri Apr 1 04:01:46 2005 From: steve.honeycutt at gmail.com (Steve Honeycutt) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 22:01:46 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Flash Animation In-Reply-To: <20050331213709.0a2871c3@localhost.localdomain> References: <424C0C3F.6070703@honeygroveisd.net> <424C118F.5050306@jsoft.com> <20050331213709.0a2871c3@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <61bfa74305033120012f9bdbae@mail.gmail.com> I procrastinated doing a google, thinking that there would be no such a creature as Open Source "Flash" software. I shouldn't have done that which I am so good at... procrastinating! Have a look at http://www.blender3d.com/cms/Home.2.0.html to see if this will suffice. Here is a quote from the home page: "Blender, the open source software for 3D modeling, animation, rendering, post-production, interactive creation and playback (see the features and screenshots). Available for Windows, Linux, Irix, Sun Solaris, FreeBSD or Mac OS X under the GNU Public License. " After you've had a look over this, please post back with your thoughts on it. HTH's in some way -- Best Regards, Steve www.slicehaven.com From robark at gmail.com Fri Apr 1 04:55:38 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 20:55:38 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Release cycle too fast In-Reply-To: <424C5E08.4070004@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <002001c5362a$23527520$f894060a@winonacotter.org> <424C5E08.4070004@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: On Mar 31, 2005 12:31 PM, Eric Harrison wrote: > The points made below pretty much sum up my feelings. We need to keep > the stable versions around (if K12LTSP 3.1.2 does what you need it to > do, then use it!) but we also know that we need to push hard to make > this technology go as far as we want it to go. The release cycle is fast > because it needs to be fast. > > From a personal perspective, I am happy with the development of > K12LTSP. I believe we are heading the right direction and are placing > our limited resources where they will make the greatest long-term benefit. > > -Eric I think K12LTSP is lucky to have such devoted members and I am glad this support list has such a strong following. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From steve.honeycutt at gmail.com Fri Apr 1 05:58:29 2005 From: steve.honeycutt at gmail.com (Steve Honeycutt) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 23:58:29 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Release cycle too fast In-Reply-To: References: <002001c5362a$23527520$f894060a@winonacotter.org> <424C5E08.4070004@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <61bfa7430503312158ea08fbf@mail.gmail.com> Is this the epitome of Irony.... or what!!! I've seen a lot of different types of users (even the so-called "ignorant" :P) complain about the gaping security holes in the Windows platforms and proceed to grip, moan, and complain about the lack of updates, patches and fixes. Seems reasonable to do so, to some degree at least. The super fast pace that technology has been / is growing, it only seems natural that viable software outlets (albeit commercial or open source) keep up with that pace. Functionality is always nice to have with any platform but without operability - all the functions in the world won't help. At the risk of having the flame thrower turned loose on me, the tone of the opening post is absurd if one really looks deep into it. The ole saying of "Lead, follow, or get out of the way." seems fitting for some reason. I just don't get the point behind this thread. -- Best Regards, Steve www.slicehaven.com From hick518 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 1 11:21:55 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 03:21:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Release cycle too fast In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050401112155.92847.qmail@web41607.mail.yahoo.com> --- Jim Kronebusch wrote: > And I don't think the sub releases are only to fix > problems, I am > continually seeing new features added as well. I > for one love to see > new features as often as possible, I don't want to > wait a year. > This is something I have never quite understood, possibly because I don't have enough programming experience. Why do we need to have a brand new release in order to get new features? Why can't the new features come in the form of updated rpms? I don't think anybody would mind updating rpms--they already do it for security updates and it can be set in a cron job to do it automatically. But I agree that reinstalling the base operating system is a big pain in the *** and I'd like to do it as infrequently as possible. -Rob __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Personals - Better first dates. More second dates. http://personals.yahoo.com From hick518 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 1 11:30:48 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 03:30:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Problem booting thin clients on k12ltsp4.2 In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050401113048.99657.qmail@web41623.mail.yahoo.com> well if you feel like spending a couple bucks, www.disklessworkstations.com has a $20 nic with the bootrom included. This one should be guaranteed to work, assuming your system is set up right. At least this would eliminate one variable for you. -Rob --- Lawrence Harriott wrote: > Hi all, > > > > I am having the same problem, so double thanks to > > anybody who can shed some light on this. > > ...... > > Lawrence, do you have another NIC you could try? > > > > -Rob > Unfortunately no. I have 3 Davicom DM9102AF cards > that > do not get as far as a dhcp request before timing > out. My only e100 is the > only one that gets as far as this. > > I do not mind getting new cards but now I do not > know what the cause of > the problem really is nor whether I won't have the > same problem with a > different card. > Lawrence > > > --- Lawrence Harriott > > wrote: > > > Hi list, > > > > > > I set up a K12LTSP4.2 box a few days ago and > can't > > > seem to boot any thin > > > clients. I installed from the CD's then upgraded > via > > > Internet using > > > apt-get to get everything up to date. The server > > > seems to be ok but my > > > thin client, a 233MHz AMD-K5 using an e100 NIC > (non > > > of my DM9102AF cards > > > boot properly)gets to the point of doing the the > > > PIVOT-ROOT and just > > > sits there for a while then decides that it > cannot > > > find the server. It > > > gives this message, nfs: server 192.168.0.254 > not > > > responding, still > > > trying. Var/log/messages reports that the > mountd: > > > authenticated mount > > > request from ws150. > > > > > > Using another linux machine I can mount and > access > > > the nfs shares, no > > > problem. > > > > > > Incidentally, I am booting using a rom-o-matic > > > 'universal' boot > > > diskette. This machine insists that it is > > > 192.168.0.150 regardless of > > > what I set it to in dhcpd.conf. I have no idea > where > > > it gets that IP > > > from. > > > > > > I would appreciate any help in getting this to > work. > > > I have googled > > > around a bit but have not yet found anything on > this > > > particular issue. I > > > am wondering whether the NIC or the upgrade may > be > > > the culprit! > > > > > > Thanks > > > Lawrence > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Personals - Better first dates. More second dates. http://personals.yahoo.com From hick518 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 1 11:48:27 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 03:48:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Release cycle too fast In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050401114827.50349.qmail@web41610.mail.yahoo.com> --- David Trask wrote: > Think of it this way....they make new cars every > year....does that mean we > buy one every year? Not me. Yeah, but what if you couldn't get tires for your car after 2 years. Sure, you could make your own, but do you know how? This is kind of how I feel about linux distro release cycles. Every time there is a new release, some older release usually stops getting updates and security fixes. I'm not sure how Fedora is, but Mandrake for instance offers security updates for a year-and-a-half (I think) after the initial release date. After that, you're on your own to find patches to your system. On my own desktop, I don't have a problem upgrading once in a while. But I maintain a few systems for family members who only need internet and email. In the case of my parents, I'd rather never do an upgrade, because anything different only confuses them. But I need to upgrade if I want to automatically receive the next bugfix to openssh, for instance. I know this may not directly apply to K12LTSP, but I'm trying to point out that not everybody out there needs or even wants the latest and greatest thing. Some people prefer to have the same old thing. There has been such explosive growth in Linux lately that this is a tough point to get across to people. Techies always want the latest and greatest, and techies are the ones doing all the coding. Good job to everybody responsible for this software. It's great and I really do like seeing all the improvements. -Rob __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Personals - Better first dates. More second dates. http://personals.yahoo.com From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Apr 1 13:39:06 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 08:39:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Release cycle too fast In-Reply-To: <61bfa7430503312158ea08fbf@mail.gmail.com> References: <002001c5362a$23527520$f894060a@winonacotter.org> < > < > <424C5E08.4070004@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> < > <61bfa7430503312158ea08fbf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Steve Honeycutt on Friday, April 1, 2005 at 12:58 AM +0000 wrote: >The ole saying of "Lead, follow, or get out of the way." seems fitting >for some reason. Good point! So..."get out of the way" LOL :-) In all seriousness, this is a great and fitting quote. Lead.....run the latest and greatest and help with bug testing..etc. Follow....when ready upgrade to the latest stable version and run it for a while. "Get out of the way"...stick with an older, but tried and trusted version and remember...if it ain't broke don't fix it. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From les at futuresource.com Fri Apr 1 13:48:39 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 07:48:39 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Release cycle too fast In-Reply-To: <20050401112155.92847.qmail@web41607.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050401112155.92847.qmail@web41607.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1112363319.10509.15.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2005-04-01 at 05:21, Rob Owens wrote: > I > > for one love to see > > new features as often as possible, I don't want to > > wait a year. > > > > This is something I have never quite understood, > possibly because I don't have enough programming > experience. Why do we need to have a brand new > release in order to get new features? The new features in free software come from thousands of volunteer programmers working on largely unrelated projects. > Why can't the > new features come in the form of updated rpms? I > don't think anybody would mind updating rpms--they > already do it for security updates and it can be set > in a cron job to do it automatically. RedHat/fedora have a policy of trying not to change program behavior in suprising new ways within a version release of the distribution. That means someone other than the original programmer has to pick apart the code to back in new bug/security fixes and *not* include the new features. This is difficult work and the reason that the fedora project only supports the most current two releases. > But I agree > that reinstalling the base operating system is a big > pain in the *** and I'd like to do it as infrequently > as possible. In many cases you can do a version upgrade but you don't quite end up with the same thing so it is better to re-install, then back in your local changes. I think the real key to making it easy to keep up is going to be to put your /home directories and services that need to keep working (authentication, email, dns, etc.) on a stable server - Centos 4.0 might be a good choice now, Then the k12ltsp servers become easily replaceable application servers with the lts.conf being the only thing you might change locally. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From gumprechtm at msln.net Fri Apr 1 13:51:04 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 08:51:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] dumped into maintenance shell Message-ID: <424D51C8.4080802@msln.net> What every semi-newbie fears.... My k12ltsp was disallowing smb share access and home directories. I rebooted and it dumped me into a maintenance shell. I tried to fsck, but said the superblock was bad. I shut it down and took it to the office. It booted right up. YIPPEE. But how ever the logs showed this: Mar 31 08:33:30 server kernel: scsi0:0:1:0: Attempting to abort cmd 66537e00: 0x28 0x0 0x3 0x4e 0x4b 0xa7 0x0 0x0 0x18 0x0 Mar 31 08:33:30 server kernel: scsi0: At time of recovery, card was not paused Mar 31 08:33:30 server kernel: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dump Card State Begins <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Mar 31 08:33:30 server kernel: scsi0: Dumping Card State at program address 0x1 Mode 0x33 Mar 31 08:33:30 server kernel: Card was paused Mar 31 08:33:30 server kernel: HS_MAILBOX[0x0] INTCTL[0xc0] SEQINTSTAT[0x10] SAVED_MODE[0x11] Mar 31 08:33:30 server kernel: DFFSTAT[0x31] SCSISIGI[0x0] SCSIPHASE[0x0] SCSIBUS[0x0] Mar 31 08:33:30 server kernel: LASTPHASE[0x1] SCSISEQ0[0x0] SCSISEQ1[0x12] SEQCTL0[0x10] Mar 31 08:33:30 server kernel: SEQINTCTL[0x0] SEQ_FLAGS[0x0] SEQ_FLAGS2[0x0] SSTAT0[0x0] Mar 31 08:33:30 server kernel: SSTAT1[0x8] SSTAT2[0x0] SSTAT3[0x0] PERRDIAG[0x8] Mar 31 08:33:30 server kernel: SIMODE1[0xa4] LQISTAT0[0x0] LQISTAT1[0x0] LQISTAT2[0x0] Mar 31 08:33:30 server kernel: LQOSTAT0[0x0] LQOSTAT1[0x0] LQOSTAT2[0x1] This is just a short snip of a long message. What I got out of this is my /dev/sdb tripped off-line and paused. My only partition on that drive is my /home. /dev/sda worked fine. Has anyone had this happen before? Should it be replaced, or am I just paranoid? I have a backup so that's non issue, just the thought of having to do it. The unit is a DAKTECH 5 mos. old, 2-seagate ultra 320 cheetah 36gig scsi drives on a intel SE7501HG2 motherboard. The unit has been up and running fine for 5 hours now. Thoughts? Thanks. Mark -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From petre at maltzen.net Fri Apr 1 14:12:25 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 08:12:25 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Release cycle too fast In-Reply-To: <20050401114827.50349.qmail@web41610.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050401114827.50349.qmail@web41610.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <424D56C9.2080509@maltzen.net> When you consider that "an application" isn't really a single entity but rather a collection of files--the main executables, myriad support libraries, drivers, etc.--updating even just one application isn't updating just one thing. And very often, those support libraries and drivers are used by more than one application--that's the point of an operating system. So, a problem is found in one of the libraries, and a new version is created that fixes the problem. But that change may mean that some applications have to also be changed to work with the new library. Most distros come with more than 2000 applications, many inter-related. And many/most of those applications are being further developed. In some ways, it's amazing they don't release new versions more often than they do. Having said that, you don't need to upgrade the whole OS just to keep, for example, SSH current. You DO have to step outside the automated tools the Distro vendor provides, and go to installing the packages manually, but on a 'older' system that is relatively static--that is, you're not adding additional functionality--that's not that hard. I have some RH 8 boxes in which we just upgrade the SSH package as necessary. If you want to buy 'tires' for your more-than-two-year-old system, and 'buy' is the key word here, check out progeny.com. For $60 per year per box, they will provide patches for your Red Hat 7.2, 7.3, 8.0, systems, and other custom platforms for a fee. For a business, it's a pretty good deal. If you want FREE updates you have to go where free stuff is available, and that means things like Fedora. Perhaps linux usage will some day reach a critical mass such that there will be enough people involved that there will be some interested in continually maintaining older distributions for free. But I suspect that day is a ways off yet. Petre Rob Owens wrote: > --- David Trask wrote: > >>Think of it this way....they make new cars every >>year....does that mean we >>buy one every year? Not me. > > > Yeah, but what if you couldn't get tires for your car > after 2 years. Sure, you could make your own, but do > you know how? This is kind of how I feel about linux > distro release cycles. Every time there is a new > release, some older release usually stops getting > updates and security fixes. I'm not sure how Fedora > is, but Mandrake for instance offers security updates > for a year-and-a-half (I think) after the initial > release date. After that, you're on your own to find > patches to your system. > > On my own desktop, I don't have a problem upgrading > once in a while. But I maintain a few systems for > family members who only need internet and email. In > the case of my parents, I'd rather never do an > upgrade, because anything different only confuses > them. But I need to upgrade if I want to > automatically receive the next bugfix to openssh, for > instance. > > I know this may not directly apply to K12LTSP, but I'm > trying to point out that not everybody out there needs > or even wants the latest and greatest thing. Some > people prefer to have the same old thing. There has > been such explosive growth in Linux lately that this > is a tough point to get across to people. Techies > always want the latest and greatest, and techies are > the ones doing all the coding. > > Good job to everybody responsible for this software. > It's great and I really do like seeing all the > improvements. > > -Rob > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Personals - Better first dates. More second dates. > http://personals.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Fri Apr 1 13:46:07 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 07:46:07 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Mount novell directories from linux Message-ID: I recieved a message about how to do this and some of the text of it follows. . . I need to know what package to apt-get and install in FC1 to get it to work with the following stuff. Using ncpfs Without mars_nwe ---------------------------- If you only need to enable your Linux PC to access existing Novell NetWare servers, and you don't need to use your Linux PC as a server or router, then you do not need mars_nwe. You need ncpfs. Under Redhat Linux 6.0, I got ncpfs (the Netware Client File System) to work with my existing NetWare 3.12 server by adding this series of commands to the end of my /etc/rc.d/rc.local file, so that it runs at boot time: insmod ncpfs # ipx_interface add -p eth0 802.3 ipx_interface add -p eth0 802.3 0x21 ncpmount -S BURTON -U LINUX1 -n /burton The first line, insmod ncpfs, worked. But no subsequent lines work. ipx_interface returns a command not found. ncpmount returns a command not found also. Thanks! Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Apr 1 14:41:11 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 09:41:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Release cycle too fast In-Reply-To: <424D56C9.2080509@maltzen.net> References: <20050401114827.50349.qmail@web41610.mail.yahoo.com> <424D56C9.2080509@maltzen.net> Message-ID: On this same topic...one thing I've found to be a lifesaver with regard to upgrading is Samba/LDAP....why? Because...except for the Samba/LDAP server you can simply pull a server....upgrade it and then point it back to the Samba/LDAP server without affecting anyone's data. Since all the data and users live on the Samba/LDAP server and not on the K12LTSP server you can upgrade at any time relatively painlessly. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From stegil at hotmail.com Fri Apr 1 14:31:45 2005 From: stegil at hotmail.com (steve gilmore) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 09:31:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] 4.2.1 & SMP References: <424C9DC6.4010308@netscape.net><424D23D9.9090402@parkrose.k12.or.us> <424CB72A.6040904@netscape.net> Message-ID: I would imagine that the startup is controlled by the Xsession. Might be found at "/etc/X11/Xsession" or at "/etc/X11/xdmXsession" in either case one would start gnome with "exec /usr/bin/gnome-session" or kde with "/usr/bin/startkde" . SG ----- Original Message ----- From: "norbert" To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." ; Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 9:51 PM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] 4.2.1 & SMP > Hi Dan > Thank you, might I ask another question ? Do you know what file has the > selection of the different desktop managers, i.e. gnome, kde, etc so that > when presented with the login screen you can select the one you want. > My upgrade from 4.1.1 to 4.2.1 & apt updates/upgrades seems to have > destroyed all my managers... > > thks > norbert > > dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us wrote: > >> norbert wrote: >> >>> Does anyone konw if there's support for dual processors in 4.2.1 ? >> >> >> yum install kernel-smp >> >> and you're good to go. >> >> -- >> Dan Young >> Parkrose School District >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From hick518 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 1 15:05:54 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 07:05:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Release cycle too fast In-Reply-To: <424D56C9.2080509@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <20050401150554.80069.qmail@web41606.mail.yahoo.com> I realize that I'm asking for a lot, and I don't want it interpreted as me being ungrateful. I'm just trying to give input from the point of view of somebody who is primarily a user, and not an administrator. I realize that I can manually install packages, and even source if I need to. I've done it before, but one of the really great things about linux is the automatic dependency-checking installers like apt, yum, urpmi (for Mandrake). But keeping an old system up to date without that would mean being on an email list for every application that the old system runs so I could keep informed of security updates. Thanks for the explanation of applications, libraries, etc. I'm still a bit confused about it. I don't understand why this situation is not possible: I'm running FC1. Application "xyz" needs updating, but no packages are available because FC1 is unsupported. yum xyz2 to get the updated package from the FC2 repository. But xyz2 requires abc version 2. My system has abc version 1. yum uninstalls xyz1, uninstalls abc version 1, installs abc version 2, and installs xyz. Of course, it also has to take into account what else depends on abc version 1 and upgrade that to a version that can use abc version 2. It gets complicated, but isn't that what these packaging systems are supposed to do? Conceivably, with enough updates, my FC1 system could become FC2. At least that's the way it seems to me, so tell me why I'm wrong. (I'm sure I am, otherwise we'd already be doing it that way). -Rob --- Petre Scheie wrote: > When you consider that "an application" isn't really > a single entity but rather a > collection of files--the main executables, myriad > support libraries, drivers, > etc.--updating even just one application isn't > updating just one thing. And very often, > those support libraries and drivers are used by more > than one application--that's the > point of an operating system. So, a problem is > found in one of the libraries, and a new > version is created that fixes the problem. But that > change may mean that some > applications have to also be changed to work with > the new library. Most distros come > with more than 2000 applications, many > inter-related. And many/most of those > applications are being further developed. In some > ways, it's amazing they don't release > new versions more often than they do. > > Having said that, you don't need to upgrade the > whole OS just to keep, for example, SSH > current. You DO have to step outside the automated > tools the Distro vendor provides, > and go to installing the packages manually, but on a > 'older' system that is relatively > static--that is, you're not adding additional > functionality--that's not that hard. I > have some RH 8 boxes in which we just upgrade the > SSH package as necessary. > > If you want to buy 'tires' for your > more-than-two-year-old system, and 'buy' is the key > word here, check out progeny.com. For $60 per year > per box, they will provide patches > for your Red Hat 7.2, 7.3, 8.0, systems, and other > custom platforms for a fee. For a > business, it's a pretty good deal. If you want FREE > updates you have to go where free > stuff is available, and that means things like > Fedora. Perhaps linux usage will some > day reach a critical mass such that there will be > enough people involved that there will > be some interested in continually maintaining older > distributions for free. But I > suspect that day is a ways off yet. > > Petre > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Personals - Better first dates. More second dates. http://personals.yahoo.com From hick518 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 1 15:16:46 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 07:16:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Release cycle too fast In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050401151646.3336.qmail@web41626.mail.yahoo.com> --- Les Mikesell wrote: > In many cases you can do a version upgrade but you > don't quite end up with the same thing so it is > better > to re-install, then back in your local changes. Yeah, but even a version upgrade involves sitting in front of the computer and feeding it cd's, right? When my sister who lives 3000 miles away needs an upgrade, I guess I'm going to have to walk her through it. If I had to do that with my parents, I think I'd shoot myself. Luckily they live close by. > I think the > real key to making it easy to keep up is going to be > to put > your /home directories and services that need to > keep working > (authentication, email, dns, etc.) on a stable > server - Centos 4.0 > might be a good choice now, But that server will need to be upgraded about once a year in order to keep getting security updates, right? Or are updates for Centos available for longer? Upgrading once a year isn't a big deal if that's your job, but for a home user who may not be very computer savy, it can be. I know the easy answer is "if you don't understand computers, then pay somebody who does". I guess I'm just surprised that something as powerful as linux does not allow me to upgrade somebody's operating system from anywhere in the world without having somebody feed cd's into the computer. After all, every bit of software is on the internet. Thanks for the info. -Rob __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From mr.rcollins at gmail.com Fri Apr 1 15:38:52 2005 From: mr.rcollins at gmail.com (Ryan Collins) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 10:38:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.2.1 pre3, ready for production? In-Reply-To: <9326098005033011273112d758@mail.gmail.com> References: <9326098005033011273112d758@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mar 30, 2005 2:27 PM, Jay Pfaffman wrote: > I have a what I think is a 1st generation iMac (it's that funny blue > color). I installed the latest version available at sunsite.utk.edu a > couple hours ago; yum update doesn't get any new ppc stuff. I hold > down the N key and get a network boot. Forgiving typos, this is what > the mac says: The 1st generation iMacs can not use DHCP, they have to use BOOTP. I don't know how to set this up with K12LTSP, but that should at least point you in the right direction. From jam at mcquil.com Fri Apr 1 15:42:30 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 10:42:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Release cycle too fast In-Reply-To: References: <002001c5362a$23527520$f894060a@winonacotter.org> < > < > <424C5E08.4070004@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> < > <61bfa7430503312158ea08fbf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I read that quote a different way: Lead: Folks like Eric Harrison, David Trask, Chuck Liebow, Jim Kronebush and many others (You know who you are), who give their heart and soul to improving the current state of affairs and striving to make Linux and k12ltsp the best it can be. Follow: Probably 98% of the people on this list who love and appreciate what the leaders above all do, and are happy with the way things are going. In fact, it's probably not fair to call them followers, because each one of them are leaders in the way they have chosen to push k12ltsp in their own environments. In the open source community, I think most people float between the 'lead' and the 'follow' category, as their time and ability permit. Get out of the way: The small set of people who aren't happy with the way things are going, but don't want to jump in and help to make them better. Deep down, I really don't think there's anybody on the list who truly fits this category full-time. I think people sometimes just get caught up in their own world, and forget how hard the leaders are working, to make sure the followers have what they need to succeed in their deployments of k12ltsp. It's also important to understand peoples motives. Open source developers generally don't work from a list handed to them by someone else. That's too much like a job. Open source guys work on things, because they want to. Open source developers are generally self-starting self-motivated people who see a job that needs to be done, and they go do it. Fortunately for us, there's enough people who see enough things that "they" want to do, that we end up with great things like Linux, OpenOffice, Firefox, Gnome, KDE, xmms, k12ltsp, ... When there's a gap between what "needs" to be done, and what someone "wants" to do, that's where companies like IBM, Novell, Redhat and many others have stepped forward and hired people to do. There we are, back to someone handing a developer a list of things to do. But, in that case, it IS their job to do those things. Leave Eric and friends to do what they do best, we'll all be amazed at the results. If there's something that you see that needs to be done, and nobody is doing it, jump in. We could use the help. Thanks for listening to my rant, Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Fri, 1 Apr 2005, David Trask wrote: > Steve Honeycutt on Friday, April 1, 2005 at > 12:58 AM +0000 wrote: > >The ole saying of "Lead, follow, or get out of the way." seems fitting > >for some reason. > Good point! So..."get out of the way" LOL :-) > > In all seriousness, this is a great and fitting quote. Lead.....run the > latest and greatest and help with bug testing..etc. Follow....when ready > upgrade to the latest stable version and run it for a while. "Get out of > the way"...stick with an older, but tried and trusted version and > remember...if it ain't broke don't fix it. > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jam at mcquil.com Fri Apr 1 15:45:07 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 10:45:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Release cycle too fast In-Reply-To: <20050401150554.80069.qmail@web41606.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050401150554.80069.qmail@web41606.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Rob, What you've described below is exactly how apt works with debian. and I think that's how yum works on fedora. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Fri, 1 Apr 2005, Rob Owens wrote: > I realize that I'm asking for a lot, and I don't want > it interpreted as me being ungrateful. I'm just > trying to give input from the point of view of > somebody who is primarily a user, and not an > administrator. > > I realize that I can manually install packages, and > even source if I need to. I've done it before, but > one of the really great things about linux is the > automatic dependency-checking installers like apt, > yum, urpmi (for Mandrake). But keeping an old system > up to date without that would mean being on an email > list for every application that the old system runs so > I could keep informed of security updates. > > Thanks for the explanation of applications, libraries, > etc. I'm still a bit confused about it. I don't > understand why this situation is not possible: I'm > running FC1. Application "xyz" needs updating, but no > packages are available because FC1 is unsupported. > yum xyz2 to get the updated package from the FC2 > repository. But xyz2 requires abc version 2. My > system has abc version 1. yum uninstalls xyz1, > uninstalls abc version 1, installs abc version 2, and > installs xyz. Of course, it also has to take into > account what else depends on abc version 1 and upgrade > that to a version that can use abc version 2. It gets > complicated, but isn't that what these packaging > systems are supposed to do? Conceivably, with enough > updates, my FC1 system could become FC2. At least > that's the way it seems to me, so tell me why I'm > wrong. (I'm sure I am, otherwise we'd already be > doing it that way). > > -Rob > > --- Petre Scheie wrote: > > > When you consider that "an application" isn't really > > a single entity but rather a > > collection of files--the main executables, myriad > > support libraries, drivers, > > etc.--updating even just one application isn't > > updating just one thing. And very often, > > those support libraries and drivers are used by more > > than one application--that's the > > point of an operating system. So, a problem is > > found in one of the libraries, and a new > > version is created that fixes the problem. But that > > change may mean that some > > applications have to also be changed to work with > > the new library. Most distros come > > with more than 2000 applications, many > > inter-related. And many/most of those > > applications are being further developed. In some > > ways, it's amazing they don't release > > new versions more often than they do. > > > > Having said that, you don't need to upgrade the > > whole OS just to keep, for example, SSH > > current. You DO have to step outside the automated > > tools the Distro vendor provides, > > and go to installing the packages manually, but on a > > 'older' system that is relatively > > static--that is, you're not adding additional > > functionality--that's not that hard. I > > have some RH 8 boxes in which we just upgrade the > > SSH package as necessary. > > > > If you want to buy 'tires' for your > > more-than-two-year-old system, and 'buy' is the key > > word here, check out progeny.com. For $60 per year > > per box, they will provide patches > > for your Red Hat 7.2, 7.3, 8.0, systems, and other > > custom platforms for a fee. For a > > business, it's a pretty good deal. If you want FREE > > updates you have to go where free > > stuff is available, and that means things like > > Fedora. Perhaps linux usage will some > > day reach a critical mass such that there will be > > enough people involved that there will > > be some interested in continually maintaining older > > distributions for free. But I > > suspect that day is a ways off yet. > > > > Petre > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Personals - Better first dates. More second dates. > http://personals.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From glessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca Fri Apr 1 15:57:56 2005 From: glessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca (Guy-Michel Lessard) Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 10:57:56 -0500 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9p.=20:=20[K12OSN]=20Mount=20novell=20director?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?ies=20from=20linux?= Message-ID: Quote> insmod ncpfs # ipx_interface add -p eth0 802.3 ipx_interface add -p eth0 802.3 0x21 ncpmount -S BURTON -U LINUX1 -n /burton The first line, insmod ncpfs, worked. But no subsequent lines work. ipx_interface returns a command not found. ncpmount returns a command not found also. First do you need IPX, is so then you also need ipxutils otherwise (tcp/ip) remove ipx_interface. From hick518 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 1 17:28:55 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 09:28:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Release cycle too fast In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050401172855.93710.qmail@web41627.mail.yahoo.com> Jim, Just to be clear, are you saying that I can apt or yum from one release version and end up with the latest release version? for example, using yum to upgrade from FC2 to FC3. -Rob --- Jim McQuillan wrote: > Rob, > > What you've described below is exactly how apt works > with debian. > > and I think that's how yum works on fedora. > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > > On Fri, 1 Apr 2005, Rob Owens wrote: > > > I realize that I'm asking for a lot, and I don't > want > > it interpreted as me being ungrateful. I'm just > > trying to give input from the point of view of > > somebody who is primarily a user, and not an > > administrator. > > > > I realize that I can manually install packages, > and > > even source if I need to. I've done it before, > but > > one of the really great things about linux is the > > automatic dependency-checking installers like apt, > > yum, urpmi (for Mandrake). But keeping an old > system > > up to date without that would mean being on an > email > > list for every application that the old system > runs so > > I could keep informed of security updates. > > > > Thanks for the explanation of applications, > libraries, > > etc. I'm still a bit confused about it. I don't > > understand why this situation is not possible: > I'm > > running FC1. Application "xyz" needs updating, > but no > > packages are available because FC1 is unsupported. > > yum xyz2 to get the updated package from the FC2 > > repository. But xyz2 requires abc version 2. My > > system has abc version 1. yum uninstalls xyz1, > > uninstalls abc version 1, installs abc version 2, > and > > installs xyz. Of course, it also has to take into > > account what else depends on abc version 1 and > upgrade > > that to a version that can use abc version 2. It > gets > > complicated, but isn't that what these packaging > > systems are supposed to do? Conceivably, with > enough > > updates, my FC1 system could become FC2. At least > > that's the way it seems to me, so tell me why I'm > > wrong. (I'm sure I am, otherwise we'd already be > > doing it that way). > > > > -Rob > > > > --- Petre Scheie wrote: > > > > > When you consider that "an application" isn't > really > > > a single entity but rather a > > > collection of files--the main executables, > myriad > > > support libraries, drivers, > > > etc.--updating even just one application isn't > > > updating just one thing. And very often, > > > those support libraries and drivers are used by > more > > > than one application--that's the > > > point of an operating system. So, a problem is > > > found in one of the libraries, and a new > > > version is created that fixes the problem. But > that > > > change may mean that some > > > applications have to also be changed to work > with > > > the new library. Most distros come > > > with more than 2000 applications, many > > > inter-related. And many/most of those > > > applications are being further developed. In > some > > > ways, it's amazing they don't release > > > new versions more often than they do. > > > > > > Having said that, you don't need to upgrade the > > > whole OS just to keep, for example, SSH > > > current. You DO have to step outside the > automated > > > tools the Distro vendor provides, > > > and go to installing the packages manually, but > on a > > > 'older' system that is relatively > > > static--that is, you're not adding additional > > > functionality--that's not that hard. I > > > have some RH 8 boxes in which we just upgrade > the > > > SSH package as necessary. > > > > > > If you want to buy 'tires' for your > > > more-than-two-year-old system, and 'buy' is the > key > > > word here, check out progeny.com. For $60 per > year > > > per box, they will provide patches > > > for your Red Hat 7.2, 7.3, 8.0, systems, and > other > > > custom platforms for a fee. For a > > > business, it's a pretty good deal. If you want > FREE > > > updates you have to go where free > > > stuff is available, and that means things like > > > Fedora. Perhaps linux usage will some > > > day reach a critical mass such that there will > be > > > enough people involved that there will > > > be some interested in continually maintaining > older > > > distributions for free. But I > > > suspect that day is a ways off yet. > > > > > > Petre > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Personals - Better first dates. More second > dates. > > http://personals.yahoo.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger Show us what our next emoticon should look like. Join the fun. http://www.advision.webevents.yahoo.com/emoticontest From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Apr 1 17:31:51 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 09:31:51 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Release cycle too fast In-Reply-To: <20050401172855.93710.qmail@web41627.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050401172855.93710.qmail@web41627.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <424D8587.8090301@paasda.org> apt-get install dist-upgrade --Huck Rob Owens wrote: > Jim, > > Just to be clear, are you saying that I can apt or yum > from one release version and end up with the latest > release version? for example, using yum to upgrade > from FC2 to FC3. > > -Rob > From les at futuresource.com Fri Apr 1 17:49:11 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 11:49:11 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Release cycle too fast In-Reply-To: <20050401151646.3336.qmail@web41626.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050401151646.3336.qmail@web41626.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1112377751.5201.96.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2005-04-01 at 09:16, Rob Owens wrote: > > In many cases you can do a version upgrade but you > > don't quite end up with the same thing so it is > > better > > to re-install, then back in your local changes. > > Yeah, but even a version upgrade involves sitting in > front of the computer and feeding it cd's, right? > When my sister who lives 3000 miles away needs an > upgrade, I guess I'm going to have to walk her through > it. If I had to do that with my parents, I think I'd > shoot myself. Luckily they live close by. Usually what I do is download the iso images to an NFS exported directory, burn the first disk and boot it with 'linux askmethod' so I can pick NFS. Then you answer all the questions at first, go away for a long time and come back with it finished. It can be even more automated with a kickstart file or pointed to a vncviewer if you have to control it remotely. Fortunately, the machines I mange remotely have front-swappable drive carriers so I do major upgrades by building the drives on a spare box and shipping them ready to go, so I haven't had to work out a foolproof remote procedure. With the drive swap there is always a fast way to put things back in case what you planned didn't quite work... > > I think the > > real key to making it easy to keep up is going to be > > to put > > your /home directories and services that need to > > keep working > > (authentication, email, dns, etc.) on a stable > > server - Centos 4.0 > > might be a good choice now, > > But that server will need to be upgraded about once a > year in order to keep getting security updates, right? > Or are updates for Centos available for longer? Yes, Centos is a free clone of RedHat Enterprise minus the brand name and artwork. Updates are expected to be available for 5 years. > Upgrading once a year isn't a big deal if that's your > job, but for a home user who may not be very computer > savy, it can be. If you aren't interested in new features you can still get security/bug-fix updates from the free legacy support project: http://fedoralegacy.org/download/. You can reconfigure apt/yum and keep running. Fedora core1 is very usable and I have several machines still running it. Eric: if you are reading this, would it be possible/difficult to either mirror the legacy updates so they show up where older k12ltsp setups will get them automatically, or push out a yum.conf update that includes them? > I know the easy answer is "if you don't understand > computers, then pay somebody who does". I guess I'm > just surprised that something as powerful as linux > does not allow me to upgrade somebody's operating > system from anywhere in the world without having > somebody feed cd's into the computer. After all, > every bit of software is on the internet. It does. You just have to be prepared for a glitch in connectivity to leave you in limbo, and the major upgrades make drastic changes to things so it is much safer to do a completely new install. If you put your own data (/home for example) on separate partitions that you don't format and save a backup of /etc in case you have to debug anything in the new config it isn't too difficult. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From areitsma at littletonschools.org Fri Apr 1 18:09:50 2005 From: areitsma at littletonschools.org (Adam Reitsma) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 13:09:50 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Looking for video performance solutions Message-ID: <15310053.1112378991287.OPEN-XCHANGE.WebMail.ox@leap.littletonschools.org> Hello!, ? One of the issues I have come across is the video performance using the k12 terminal server.? For basic stuff its fine but load something more graphical such as TuxMath it can take serveral minutes to load.? I assume its a coding/development/technology issue because if I remotely connect using VNC, all applications are loading almost instant including more graphical ones such as TuxMath. ? Are there settings I can change for this performance issue?? Is it part of the PXE boot image or server settings itself?? Network related? ? It doesn't seem to be hardware related, I have used a homemade built terminal and a terminal from disklessworkstations.com.? The result is still the same... ? Any help is appreciated... ? Thanks, Adam Reitsma areitsma at littletonschools.org ? From johnny at msad41.us Fri Apr 1 18:28:18 2005 From: johnny at msad41.us (John T. Leonard) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 13:28:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smp problems on 4.2.1 Message-ID: <1112380098.424d92c2ca6ab@www.msad41.us> Hi All.... Just installed 4.2.1 on a compaq dl580 with no problems on the install...on the reboot it will only boot the single processor kernel...if I don't intercept it and let it try to boot the smp kernel it does the following... booting the kernel. audit (1112361796.370:0): initialized at that point it stalls with a blinking cursor and stays there indefinately...does anyone have any ideas on a fix...some background on the compaq...it has 4, 2mb 700 xeon processors and 2 gbs of memory...everything in the box is 'stock' compaq.....TIA John John T. Leonard Technology Coordinator MSAD No. 41 Penquis Valley HS/MS 48 Penquis Drive Milo, Maine 04463 Ph:207-943-7346 Ext.211 Ph:207-943-5332 Fax:207-943-0962 From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Fri Apr 1 19:07:16 2005 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 13:07:16 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] A performance question Message-ID: <424D9BE4.4080001@honeygroveisd.net> I want to set up a simple LAMP server, and I have the K12LTSP CDs handy. Is there any reason I shouldn't use them to load up my sever? I was going to go ahead and let it set load the LTSP goodies along the way so that I could have such niceties as the seamless VNC integration. Will this adversely affect system performance? Does the LTSP setup eat up RAM/CPU cycles even when there are no clients attached? -- C-ya, Mark ____ According to a recent survey by the Academy of Incomplete Research, nine out of ten From SHarbour at nwresd.k12.or.us Fri Apr 1 19:13:31 2005 From: SHarbour at nwresd.k12.or.us (Sean Harbour) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 11:13:31 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: upgrades Message-ID: <646574B39C491E4D8573C54D35FFE52CA01E1B@wsc-mail-01.intra.nwresd.k12.or.us> The gentleman comparing linux with a 2 year old car that you can't get tires for is missing the point. Most computers, and servers, do not exist by themselves. Their environment is constantly changing, and they need to be upgraded or patched fairly constantly to keep up with the new features and threats from the internet. Sure, it may seem like a 2 year old car that you can't get tires for, but when the new car is free, and it comes with many improvements, it's a bargain. Especially if the road has changed enough the old car just can't keep up anymore. As long as you haven't welded your possessions to the old car, it's pretty easy to transfer your "stuff" to the new vehicle, if you have another machine to help facilitate the transfer. Many people on this list are using a separate file server for all their data storage. Think of it as a trailer for your car. You get a new car, and hook your trailer with your "stuff" to the new car. Not much danger of losing anything if the new car crashes and burns. The new yum tools for redhat/fedora make it much easier to keep up. Maybe within the year we will be able to do a simple system upgrade without reloading the box. Fun times! My solution for my relatives with computers that still ask for my help is to load Knoppix permanently on their machines harddrive. Scanners, printers, etc all have been supported so far. Security updates are as simple as "apt-get update", and system OS upgrades are "apt-get upgrade". The machines are trouble free, easy to add software "apt-get synaptic; synaptic", easy to administer remotely, etc. Most other versions of linux have similiar features, but Knoppix has worked quite well and is the quickest install in my experience. Sean Harbour -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3245 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jam at mcquil.com Fri Apr 1 19:32:16 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 14:32:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Release cycle too fast In-Reply-To: <20050401172855.93710.qmail@web41627.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050401172855.93710.qmail@web41627.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Rob, I really can't answer about Fedora, because I don't use it. But I know you can do that with Debian. Unfortunately, the release cycle for debian is so long :( Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Fri, 1 Apr 2005, Rob Owens wrote: > Jim, > > Just to be clear, are you saying that I can apt or yum > from one release version and end up with the latest > release version? for example, using yum to upgrade > from FC2 to FC3. > > -Rob > > --- Jim McQuillan wrote: > > > Rob, > > > > What you've described below is exactly how apt works > > with debian. > > > > and I think that's how yum works on fedora. > > > > Jim McQuillan > > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > > > On Fri, 1 Apr 2005, Rob Owens wrote: > > > > > I realize that I'm asking for a lot, and I don't > > want > > > it interpreted as me being ungrateful. I'm just > > > trying to give input from the point of view of > > > somebody who is primarily a user, and not an > > > administrator. > > > > > > I realize that I can manually install packages, > > and > > > even source if I need to. I've done it before, > > but > > > one of the really great things about linux is the > > > automatic dependency-checking installers like apt, > > > yum, urpmi (for Mandrake). But keeping an old > > system > > > up to date without that would mean being on an > > email > > > list for every application that the old system > > runs so > > > I could keep informed of security updates. > > > > > > Thanks for the explanation of applications, > > libraries, > > > etc. I'm still a bit confused about it. I don't > > > understand why this situation is not possible: > > I'm > > > running FC1. Application "xyz" needs updating, > > but no > > > packages are available because FC1 is unsupported. > > > yum xyz2 to get the updated package from the FC2 > > > repository. But xyz2 requires abc version 2. My > > > system has abc version 1. yum uninstalls xyz1, > > > uninstalls abc version 1, installs abc version 2, > > and > > > installs xyz. Of course, it also has to take into > > > account what else depends on abc version 1 and > > upgrade > > > that to a version that can use abc version 2. It > > gets > > > complicated, but isn't that what these packaging > > > systems are supposed to do? Conceivably, with > > enough > > > updates, my FC1 system could become FC2. At least > > > that's the way it seems to me, so tell me why I'm > > > wrong. (I'm sure I am, otherwise we'd already be > > > doing it that way). > > > > > > -Rob > > > > > > --- Petre Scheie wrote: > > > > > > > When you consider that "an application" isn't > > really > > > > a single entity but rather a > > > > collection of files--the main executables, > > myriad > > > > support libraries, drivers, > > > > etc.--updating even just one application isn't > > > > updating just one thing. And very often, > > > > those support libraries and drivers are used by > > more > > > > than one application--that's the > > > > point of an operating system. So, a problem is > > > > found in one of the libraries, and a new > > > > version is created that fixes the problem. But > > that > > > > change may mean that some > > > > applications have to also be changed to work > > with > > > > the new library. Most distros come > > > > with more than 2000 applications, many > > > > inter-related. And many/most of those > > > > applications are being further developed. In > > some > > > > ways, it's amazing they don't release > > > > new versions more often than they do. > > > > > > > > Having said that, you don't need to upgrade the > > > > whole OS just to keep, for example, SSH > > > > current. You DO have to step outside the > > automated > > > > tools the Distro vendor provides, > > > > and go to installing the packages manually, but > > on a > > > > 'older' system that is relatively > > > > static--that is, you're not adding additional > > > > functionality--that's not that hard. I > > > > have some RH 8 boxes in which we just upgrade > > the > > > > SSH package as necessary. > > > > > > > > If you want to buy 'tires' for your > > > > more-than-two-year-old system, and 'buy' is the > > key > > > > word here, check out progeny.com. For $60 per > > year > > > > per box, they will provide patches > > > > for your Red Hat 7.2, 7.3, 8.0, systems, and > > other > > > > custom platforms for a fee. For a > > > > business, it's a pretty good deal. If you want > > FREE > > > > updates you have to go where free > > > > stuff is available, and that means things like > > > > Fedora. Perhaps linux usage will some > > > > day reach a critical mass such that there will > > be > > > > enough people involved that there will > > > > be some interested in continually maintaining > > older > > > > distributions for free. But I > > > > suspect that day is a ways off yet. > > > > > > > > Petre > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Personals - Better first dates. More second > > dates. > > > http://personals.yahoo.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Messenger > Show us what our next emoticon should look like. Join the fun. > http://www.advision.webevents.yahoo.com/emoticontest > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Fri Apr 1 19:32:52 2005 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 11:32:52 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] smp problems on 4.2.1 In-Reply-To: <1112380098.424d92c2ca6ab@www.msad41.us> References: <1112380098.424d92c2ca6ab@www.msad41.us> Message-ID: <424DA1E4.2090009@parkrose.k12.or.us> John T. Leonard wrote: > Hi All.... > Just installed 4.2.1 on a compaq dl580 with no problems on the install...on the > reboot it will only boot the single processor kernel...if I don't intercept it > and let it try to boot the smp kernel it does the following... > > booting the kernel. > audit (1112361796.370:0): > initialized > > at that point it stalls with a blinking cursor and stays there > indefinately...does anyone have any ideas on a fix...some background on the > compaq...it has 4, 2mb 700 xeon processors and 2 gbs of memory...everything in > the box is 'stock' compaq.....TIA John You might try appending "noapic" to the appropriate kernel line in /etc/grub.conf (or do it at boot time.) Also, check the BIOS for MP 1.1/1.4 Apparently, some older Xeons need to be run w/ it set to 1.1, YMMV. -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From kmatson at pps.k12.or.us Fri Apr 1 20:05:56 2005 From: kmatson at pps.k12.or.us (Kevin Matson) Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 12:05:56 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Sharing a life-saving command Message-ID: Per the manual page this command sets the security context on files. The "-R /" made it recurse throughout your entire file system. My questions to the gurus is what does the restorecon command reference against when it is setting security contexts? Kevin M. ------------------------- Kevin Matson IT - Lab Team kmatson at pps.k12.or.us 503-916-2000 x4960 503-916-3375 Portland Public Schools >>> aahodson at episd.org 03/31/05 5:51 PM >>> Hi folks After a K12LTSP 4.2 yum update, and some minor tweaks, one of the servers that is heavily used at a middle school I work with (keyboarding) started behaving very strangly giving me on reboot 'portmap errors while loading shared libraries' leading to more permission denied errors, nfs quota errors, and many more! Long story short - as root I was able to execute restorecon -R / and while it took quite a while, the next reboot came up roses. Perhaps some of our gurus can explain what this command does - all I know is today it was a life saver for me, and I wanted to share it with the group. Cheers Alan A Hodson MEd. oF: 915-587-1170 fX: 915-587-1161 aahodson at episd.org http://links.episd.org . . . " If we teach today's students as we taught yesterdays, we rob them of tomorrow " . . . . John Dewey -=o=- _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From johnny at msad41.us Fri Apr 1 20:02:05 2005 From: johnny at msad41.us (John T. Leonard) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 15:02:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smp problems on 4.2.1 In-Reply-To: <424DA1E4.2090009@parkrose.k12.or.us> References: <1112380098.424d92c2ca6ab@www.msad41.us> <424DA1E4.2090009@parkrose.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1112385725.424da8bd071a9@www.msad41.us> Quoting Dan Young : > John T. Leonard wrote: > > Hi All.... > > Just installed 4.2.1 on a compaq dl580 with no problems on the install...on > the > > reboot it will only boot the single processor kernel...if I don't intercept > it > > and let it try to boot the smp kernel it does the following... > > > > booting the kernel. > > audit (1112361796.370:0): > > initialized > > > > at that point it stalls with a blinking cursor and stays there > > indefinately...does anyone have any ideas on a fix...some background on > the > > compaq...it has 4, 2mb 700 xeon processors and 2 gbs of memory...everything > in > > the box is 'stock' compaq.....TIA John > > You might try appending "noapic" to the appropriate kernel line in > /etc/grub.conf (or do it at boot time.) > > Also, check the BIOS for MP 1.1/1.4 > Apparently, some older Xeons need to be run w/ it set to 1.1, YMMV. > > -- > Dan Young > Parkrose School District > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > Thanks Dan...I appended the smp line and it now boots up with the smp kernel...John John T. Leonard Technology Coordinator MSAD No. 41 Penquis Valley HS/MS 48 Penquis Drive Milo, Maine 04463 Ph:207-943-7346 Ext.211 Ph:207-943-5332 Fax:207-943-0962 From efeldhusen at chartermi.net Fri Apr 1 20:50:06 2005 From: efeldhusen at chartermi.net (Eric Feldhusen) Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 15:50:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Release cycle too fast In-Reply-To: <20050401172855.93710.qmail@web41627.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050401172855.93710.qmail@web41627.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <424DB3FE.5080307@chartermi.net> >> --- Jim McQuillan wrote: >> >> What you've described below is exactly how apt works with debian. >> and I think that's how yum works on fedora. >> >> Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org Rob Owens wrote: > Jim, > > Just to be clear, are you saying that I can apt or yum from one > release version and end up with the latest release version? for > example, using yum to upgrade from FC2 to FC3. > > -Rob According to guys on the fedora lists, exactly. But I've never done it myself, so I can't give you the specifics. Some of the posts on the fedora list have had guys going from redhat 6.2 -> redhat 7.0 -> redhat 7.3 -> redhat 9.0 -> fedora core 1 -> fedora core 2 -> fedora core 3 and also, some have worked from redhat 7.3 -> fedora core 2... wild stuff. And that's using both yum and apt. From what I've gathered, the more you've stuck with using rpm for all your software installing, updates, and removal, the better it works for updating. If you've done a lot of installing software from source, creating symbolic links for libraries to make stuff work, making the system "you" specific, updating between major version updates doesn't work well. But, like I've said, I've seen posts from several people that have done it. Eric -- NOTICE: New email address: eric at remc1.org -------------- Eric Feldhusen Network Administrator for Adams, Chassell, Dollar Bay-Tamarack City, and Lake Linden-Hubbell Public Schools emailto:eric at remc1.org From efeldhusen at chartermi.net Fri Apr 1 20:53:54 2005 From: efeldhusen at chartermi.net (Eric Feldhusen) Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 15:53:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Release cycle too fast In-Reply-To: <20050401151646.3336.qmail@web41626.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050401151646.3336.qmail@web41626.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <424DB4E2.50708@chartermi.net> Rob Owens wrote: > --- Les Mikesell wrote: > Yeah, but even a version upgrade involves sitting in front of the > computer and feeding it cd's, right? When my sister who lives 3000 > miles away needs an upgrade, I guess I'm going to have to walk her > through it. If I had to do that with my parents, I think I'd shoot > myself. Luckily they live close by. According to one guy on the fedora core list, he's done a redhat 9.0 -> fedora core X using yum remotely.... Braver than I am. Eric -- NOTICE: New email address: eric at remc1.org -------------- Eric Feldhusen Network Administrator for Adams, Chassell, Dollar Bay-Tamarack City, and Lake Linden-Hubbell Public Schools emailto:eric at remc1.org From skossakoski at sau16.org Fri Apr 1 21:26:33 2005 From: skossakoski at sau16.org (Steve Kossakoski) Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 16:26:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP question Message-ID: We're attempting to place a K12LTSP server in a Windows 2000 network and continue to use MS for DHCP. Can we point to eth1 to download a kernel to thin clients or should we point to eth0 and disable the K12LTSP DHCP daemon? Thanks! Steve From hick518 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 2 00:37:23 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 16:37:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Release cycle too fast In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050402003723.69275.qmail@web41622.mail.yahoo.com> I might decide to try out Debian exactly because of the long release cycle. I maintain computers for a lot of family members who have very basic needs. Thanks to all for answering so many of my questions on this topic. -Rob --- Jim McQuillan wrote: > Rob, > > I really can't answer about Fedora, because I don't > use it. But I know > you can do that with Debian. Unfortunately, the > release cycle for > debian is so long :( > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > > On Fri, 1 Apr 2005, Rob Owens wrote: > > > Jim, > > > > Just to be clear, are you saying that I can apt or > yum > > from one release version and end up with the > latest > > release version? for example, using yum to > upgrade > > from FC2 to FC3. > > > > -Rob > > > > --- Jim McQuillan wrote: > > > > > Rob, > > > > > > What you've described below is exactly how apt > works > > > with debian. > > > > > > and I think that's how yum works on fedora. > > > > > > Jim McQuillan > > > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 1 Apr 2005, Rob Owens wrote: > > > > > > > I realize that I'm asking for a lot, and I > don't > > > want > > > > it interpreted as me being ungrateful. I'm > just > > > > trying to give input from the point of view of > > > > somebody who is primarily a user, and not an > > > > administrator. > > > > > > > > I realize that I can manually install > packages, > > > and > > > > even source if I need to. I've done it > before, > > > but > > > > one of the really great things about linux is > the > > > > automatic dependency-checking installers like > apt, > > > > yum, urpmi (for Mandrake). But keeping an old > > > system > > > > up to date without that would mean being on an > > > email > > > > list for every application that the old system > > > runs so > > > > I could keep informed of security updates. > > > > > > > > Thanks for the explanation of applications, > > > libraries, > > > > etc. I'm still a bit confused about it. I > don't > > > > understand why this situation is not possible: > > > I'm > > > > running FC1. Application "xyz" needs > updating, > > > but no > > > > packages are available because FC1 is > unsupported. > > > > yum xyz2 to get the updated package from the > FC2 > > > > repository. But xyz2 requires abc version 2. > My > > > > system has abc version 1. yum uninstalls > xyz1, > > > > uninstalls abc version 1, installs abc version > 2, > > > and > > > > installs xyz. Of course, it also has to take > into > > > > account what else depends on abc version 1 and > > > upgrade > > > > that to a version that can use abc version 2. > It > > > gets > > > > complicated, but isn't that what these > packaging > > > > systems are supposed to do? Conceivably, with > > > enough > > > > updates, my FC1 system could become FC2. At > least > > > > that's the way it seems to me, so tell me why > I'm > > > > wrong. (I'm sure I am, otherwise we'd already > be > > > > doing it that way). > > > > > > > > -Rob > > > > > > > > --- Petre Scheie wrote: > > > > > > > > > When you consider that "an application" > isn't > > > really > > > > > a single entity but rather a > > > > > collection of files--the main executables, > > > myriad > > > > > support libraries, drivers, > > > > > etc.--updating even just one application > isn't > > > > > updating just one thing. And very often, > > > > > those support libraries and drivers are used > by > > > more > > > > > than one application--that's the > > > > > point of an operating system. So, a problem > is > > > > > found in one of the libraries, and a new > > > > > version is created that fixes the problem. > But > > > that > > > > > change may mean that some > > > > > applications have to also be changed to work > > > with > > > > > the new library. Most distros come > > > > > with more than 2000 applications, many > > > > > inter-related. And many/most of those > > > > > applications are being further developed. In > > > some > > > > > ways, it's amazing they don't release > > > > > new versions more often than they do. > > > > > > > > > > Having said that, you don't need to upgrade > the > > > > > whole OS just to keep, for example, SSH > > > > > current. You DO have to step outside the > > > automated > > > > > tools the Distro vendor provides, > > > > > and go to installing the packages manually, > but > > > on a > > > > > 'older' system that is relatively > > > > > static--that is, you're not adding > additional > > > > > functionality--that's not that hard. I > > > > > have some RH 8 boxes in which we just > upgrade > > > the > > > > > SSH package as necessary. > > > > > > > > > > If you want to buy 'tires' for your > > > > > more-than-two-year-old system, and 'buy' is > the > > > key > > > > > word here, check out progeny.com. For $60 > per > > > year > > > > > per box, they will provide patches > > > > > for your Red Hat 7.2, 7.3, 8.0, systems, and > > > other > > > > > custom platforms for a fee. For a > > > > > business, it's a pretty good deal. If you > want > > > FREE > > > > > updates you have to go where free > > > > > stuff is available, and that means things > like > > > > > Fedora. Perhaps linux usage will some > > > > > day reach a critical mass such that there > will > > > be > > > > > enough people involved that there will > > > > > be some interested in continually > maintaining > > > older > > > > > distributions for free. But I > > > > > suspect that day is a ways off yet. > > > > > > > > > > Petre > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > Yahoo! Personals - Better first dates. More > second > > > dates. > > > > http://personals.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Yahoo! Messenger > > Show us what our next emoticon should look like. > Join the fun. > > > http://www.advision.webevents.yahoo.com/emoticontest > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From richard at richardljohnson.com Sat Apr 2 00:52:06 2005 From: richard at richardljohnson.com (Richard Johnson) Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 18:52:06 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] V-4.2.0 Problem installing Message-ID: <424DECB6.4020502@richardljohnson.com> I keep running into a problem loading the 4.2.0. On disk 2 the package 'xorg-x11-6.8.1-12.FC3.21 cannot be opened...". I downloaded Disc2 again and burned it (2 times) and still stops. Is anyone else having this problem? Or, any suggestions? Thanks, From jim at winonacotter.org Sat Apr 2 05:04:05 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 23:04:05 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Release cycle too fast In-Reply-To: <20050402003723.69275.qmail@web41622.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050402003723.69275.qmail@web41622.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050402044153.M60885@winonacotter.org> > I might decide to try out Debian exactly because of > the long release cycle. I maintain computers for a > lot of family members who have very basic needs. > > Thanks to all for answering so many of my questions on > this topic. >From what I hear Debian, CentOS, WBEL, RHEL, etc are slow release versions. K12LTSP is built from Fedora because it is a fast paced new release type distro and it allows the ability to be constantly changing which works great in a constant development stage. I love the fast pace of K12LTSP. Now for my main servers, I don't use it. I have a few hundred customers for which I sell email,dns,mysql,web,etc services to. I want to have those machine run with as little interaction as possible and feel fairly safe that updates won't be so drastic as to change my config files or risk a service going down even for a few hours. I have chosen WBEL which is a generic free spinoff of RHEL for those servers. I still get a very RedHat feel so it is similar to what I am used to when working with Fedora and K12 so it make switching back and forth very friendly for me. The point is you have to choose an OS that fits your needs. If you are running desktop systems for fairly computer illiterate users just for browsing the internet and word processing, then choose something like RHEL or a spinoff. But if you want to take advantage of new features asap then choose something like Fedora. Keep in mind the other problems you'll have with your less techy users using a slow moving distro however. Say they want to plug in a USB pen drive, oohh, that feature might not be available yet. Say they want to scan with the new scanner they bought, they may have waisted their money. You get the picture. A non techy user is also the first to get frustrated when the stuff they buy doesn't just bang work when they plug it in. And when you tell them that feature won't be available for another year or they have to blow the system away and start from scratch with a new OS to get it, you may loose them back to a pirated copy of Windows from their neighbor. I know it is tough with all of the options and versions available out there. The best thing is to try them out and find what suits you best. I have settled on different versions for desktop and servers. And for LTSP you can throw it on any distro you want, you will just be missing the bundled apps you get with K12LTSP. I managed to even throw a version on YDL and PPC Ubuntu, so your possibilities are fairly endless. And as far as upgrades, I have my home K12LTSP server performing a yum upgrade while I type this email. I hope when I am done I'll be running the newest version of K12 without any extra CD's. But as far as major distribution updates go, such as Fedora Core1 to Core2, I am still brought back to my Windows Nature. I never do upgrades on major releases, too much risk of old crap and old problems following with. Just as you could upgrade from say 7.3->Fedora Core3 as stated in a previous email, you could have upgraded from Windows95->WindowsXP, but no techy in their right mind would do so :-) But that doesn't mean the standard home user still can't. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Sat Apr 2 05:16:50 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 23:16:50 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.2.1 pre3, ready for production? In-Reply-To: References: <9326098005033011273112d758@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20050402050840.M91976@winonacotter.org> > > I have a what I think is a 1st generation iMac (it's that funny blue > > color). I installed the latest version available at sunsite.utk.edu a > > couple hours ago; yum update doesn't get any new ppc stuff. I hold > > down the N key and get a network boot. Forgiving typos, this is what > > the mac says: > > The 1st generation iMacs can not use DHCP, they have to use BOOTP. I > don't know how to set this up with K12LTSP, but that should at least > point you in the right direction. I have read the same thing as well. The /etc/dhcpd.conf has the optiona allow bootp; added to remedy this. I can assure you that the first generation of iMacs will boot with the new PPC additions. I have booted Rev A Bondi iMacs just fine, and often, which to my knowledge are the absolute first iMacs ever released. If they still won't boot for you I would love to see the following config files for starters: /tftpboot/yaboot.conf /etc/dhcpd.conf /etc/exports /opt/ltsp/ppd/etc/lts.conf It has to be a simple error. Are you running this in a fresh install or and upgrade? Is this a single NIC server? Is this server on the network with another DHCP server that may be overriding or beating the LTSP server to the punch, or even a router offering dhcp? How is your test network setup, to isolate things more only place the LTSP NIC on a switch along with the imac completely isolated from the network or other machines, even your router. See if it boots then. Maybe the reason that yaboot isn't loading is you are grabbing a address from another dhcp server and that server isn't correctly configured to pass yaboot. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Sat Apr 2 05:23:51 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 23:23:51 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050402051817.M62981@winonacotter.org> > We're attempting to place a K12LTSP server in a Windows 2000 network > and continue to use MS for DHCP. Can we point to eth1 to download a > kernel to thin clients or should we point to eth0 and disable the > K12LTSP DHCP daemon? > Thanks! > Steve I am a little confused with the setup and question. If you are running a 2 NIC setup I would assume your thin clients are on the internal LTSP network and isolated from the existing Windows Network and current DHCP server so it shouldn't really have any effect. If this isn't the case and your K12LTSP server is feeding clients on the same network as your Windows machines and Windows dhcp server you will most likely want to go with a single NIC setup (which I like a lot and is all I use now). >From there I am not familiar how to use Windows dhcp server (I assume it is the dreaded active directory stuff you're using). I know you can either setup the LTSP dhcp to use an alternate port and thus be transparent to the existing Windows machines, or you can tweak the current Windows config to point to the LTSP server to find the necessary files in tftp, or even setup tftp locally on the Windows machine and place the kernel and initrd and stuff there. But someone else would be better suited to give the particulars in this area. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Sat Apr 2 05:27:19 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 23:27:19 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] V-4.2.0 Problem installing In-Reply-To: <424DECB6.4020502@richardljohnson.com> References: <424DECB6.4020502@richardljohnson.com> Message-ID: <20050402052415.M89735@winonacotter.org> > I keep running into a problem loading the 4.2.0. On disk 2 the > package 'xorg-x11-6.8.1-12.FC3.21 cannot be opened...". I downloaded > Disc2 again and burned it (2 times) and still stops. Is anyone else > having this problem? Or, any suggestions? You know here and there I have the same problem. Not necessarily the same version or same file but the same problem. I usually attribute it to an older or dirty CDROM. Most of the time if I grab a CDROM from a different machine or one I know has worked in the past things install just fine and no errors. I see this more often with a DVD drive, and even when a 40 pin ribbon is used where a 80 pin should be, and vice versa. So I wouldn't necessarily assume your media or download files are the problem. Howver you could run the md5 checksum to be sure your source file is up to par before burning (if you haven't already). -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Sat Apr 2 05:36:21 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 23:36:21 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] A performance question In-Reply-To: <424D9BE4.4080001@honeygroveisd.net> References: <424D9BE4.4080001@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <20050402053127.M20799@winonacotter.org> > I want to set up a simple LAMP server, and I have the K12LTSP CDs > handy. Is there any reason I shouldn't use them to load up my > sever? I was going to go ahead and let it set load the LTSP goodies > along the way so that I could have such niceties as the seamless VNC > integration. Will this adversely affect system performance? Does > the LTSP setup eat up RAM/CPU cycles even when there are no clients attached? I would just choose the Fedora Core option and not K12LTSP on setup. Then when asked choose custom configuration. Then navigate through each category and add what you need. You should be able to choose all of your server stuff needed for a LAMP server and choose VNC and so on. Just take 10 minutes and review every option under every section. Not a bad excercise to do just to familiarize yourself with what is available anyhow. I always find one new piece of software that isn't available with the default install that I find when digging through custom. Besides you don't want all of the extra Edutainment stuff on a LAMP server and all of the LTSP extras. Keep your server as bare as possible. My theory is if your server has more software it has more potential vulnerabilities, so keep things to what you need when it comes to a server, regardless of if it uses CPU cycles. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Sat Apr 2 14:34:41 2005 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 22:34:41 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] firestarter permission fail Message-ID: <1112452482.6013.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Displaying my ignorance of permissions problems here in trying to work out why firestarter won't (fire)start :-) I noticed for the fist time since installing v4.2.0 a few weeks ago (as a dual-purpose server/workstation) that among the startup messages was the news that firestarter firewall was failing at bootup because of permissions. What is the name of the log file that lists services started? I wrongly thought it was dmesg and no other log file I checked shows the current boot (booted just 6hrs ago) I took a look at the /etc/firestarter/firewall.sh file and found it was owned by root, group root. I took the plunge and chown it to gavin, group root (see below) but that didn't seem to do the trick when I tried starting it from the CLI. These transactions are listed below if anyone can give me pointers on where to tackle this issue. I don't suppose I have firewall running since it fails on permissions, and I've become paranoid since repeated attempts at breakin recently via ssh (I've shut down sshd since I don't use it). [root at local ~]# chown -v gavin /etc/firestarter/firewall.sh changed ownership of `/etc/firestarter/firewall.sh' to gavin [root at local ~]# ls -l /etc/firestarter/firewall.sh -rw-r--r-- 1 gavin root 0 May 18 2004 /etc/firestarter/firewall.sh [root at local ~]# /etc/rc.d/init.d/firestarter start Flushing all current rules and user defined chains: [ OK ] Clearing all current rules and user defined chains: [ OK ] Zeroing all current rules: [ OK ] Applying Firestarter configuration: /etc/rc.d/init.d/firestarter: line 39: /etc/firestarter/firewall.sh: Permission denied [FAILED] -- Regards, Gavin Chester From hick518 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 2 17:46:12 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 09:46:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] RE: upgrades In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050402174612.79981.qmail@web41623.mail.yahoo.com> Sean, I'm the guy you're talking about. I completely understand where you're coming from and I personally like getting a new system every once in a while, if it actually gives me new features I need. But consider my grandfather who would only get rid of his clunky old '87 Impala station wagon if he could find a better '87 Impala station wagon. He's not one of the people I maintain a computer for, but my mother shares his DNA and I maintain her computer... She drove an '85 Suburban way past its prime because she couldn't find another vehicle with a bench seat in the front. On your Knoppix install, do you install it "normal" or do you install it by copying the CD iso to the hard drive? I think there might be a benefit in booting from the hard drive as if it was a live cd, because it would always auto-detect its hardware and not pop up any confusing dialog boxes saying scary stuff like "new hardware was found". These are the situations I have to deal with. -Rob --- Sean Harbour wrote: > The gentleman comparing linux with a 2 year old car > that you can't get tires for is missing the point. > Most computers, and servers, do not exist by > themselves. Their environment is constantly > changing, and they need > to be upgraded or patched fairly constantly to keep > up with the new features and threats from the > internet. > > Sure, it may seem like a 2 year old car that you > can't get tires for, but when the new car is free, > and it comes with many > improvements, it's a bargain. Especially if the road > has changed enough the old car just can't keep up > anymore. As long as you haven't welded your > possessions to the old car, it's pretty easy to > transfer your "stuff" to the new vehicle, if you > have another machine to help facilitate the > transfer. > > Many people on this list are using a separate file > server for all their data storage. Think of it as a > trailer for your car. You get a new car, and hook > your trailer with your "stuff" to the new car. Not > much danger of losing anything if the new car > crashes and burns. > > The new yum tools for redhat/fedora make it much > easier to keep up. Maybe within the year we will be > able to do a simple system upgrade without reloading > the box. Fun times! > > My solution for my relatives with computers that > still ask for my help is to load Knoppix permanently > on their machines harddrive. Scanners, printers, etc > all have been supported so far. Security updates are > as simple as "apt-get update", and system OS > upgrades are "apt-get upgrade". The machines are > trouble free, easy to add software "apt-get > synaptic; synaptic", easy to administer remotely, > etc. > Most other versions of linux have similiar features, > but Knoppix has worked quite well and is the > quickest install in my experience. > > Sean Harbour > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see __________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger Show us what our next emoticon should look like. Join the fun. http://www.advision.webevents.yahoo.com/emoticontest From les at futuresource.com Sat Apr 2 21:21:54 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 15:21:54 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1112476913.14162.29.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2005-04-01 at 15:26, Steve Kossakoski wrote: > We're attempting to place a K12LTSP server in a Windows 2000 network > and continue to use MS for DHCP. Can we point to eth1 to download a > kernel to thin clients or should we point to eth0 and disable the > K12LTSP DHCP daemon? First, make sure you understand how the stock 2-nic setup works. Normally the clients are connected to eth0 and get dhcp service from the k12ltsp service which is completely isolated and independent from your main network where you connect eth1. You can allow your main dhcp server to provide the address to the eth1 interface if you want. The k12ltsp server acts as a NAT router, so even if you connect windows PCs or dual boot clients on the eth0 side, they will get a 192.168.0.x address on that local network, but can communicate though NAT routing of the server and will appear to the rest of your network as the eth1 IP address of the server. The only problem that ever happens in practice is if you accidentally plug the wrong server nic into the main network and start supplying dhcp answers that won't work there. You also have to be careful about this during major version upgrades because the kernel has changed the order of card detection and sometimes the eth0/eth1 interfaces end up swapped. There are a couple of reasons not to use this model - the most basic is that your network administrator says you can't run another dhcp server even though it won't interfere when connected correctly. Another is that you want a flat network with clients working from anywhere. In that case an unrelated dhcp server can be configured with the options needed by the thin clients. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Sun Apr 3 01:24:22 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 18:24:22 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] ISA sound cards Message-ID: <424F45C6.60200@elp.rr.com> I have several ESS18** sound cards in some dumpster terminals that I use. How do I identify the needed information such as IRQ to put in the lts.conf file to make them work? Thanks Pat From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Sun Apr 3 17:29:09 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 12:29:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] dumped into maintenance shell In-Reply-To: <424D51C8.4080802@msln.net> References: <424D51C8.4080802@msln.net> Message-ID: <63659d8e823c0d5b29d8f1713c1890e2@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 What does smartd say? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkJQJ+YACgkQfqZR3ThMfXRo0wCfa5itoMEl4UgEXQm9x6iZG1PA 034An0aM0mbwIbXzUY5/wL16pBC1DZt9 =9xcD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From julius at turtle.com Sun Apr 3 20:04:46 2005 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 16:04:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] problem upgrading from 3.1.2 to 4.2.1 Message-ID: <53580.216.216.171.3.1112558686.squirrel@216.216.171.3> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Dear Folks, I started an upgrade of a production server from 3.1.2 to 4.2.1. It fot stuck on first CD, on installing SELinux sources. The question is how badly am i hosed? Should I just try upgrade again? thanks, julius -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCUExe2LhlZOaj6vURAqF6AJ9gI7co60tE9pRTpFqn8rtd2Dk2pgCfWmu3 ppQcuQXN9+k1P12UrYvhcwM= =ktFM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From bear2bar at netscape.net Sun Apr 3 21:05:12 2005 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (bear2bar at netscape.net) Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 17:05:12 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] problem upgrading from 3.1.2 to 4.2.1 Message-ID: <7F540F62.54BC02A4.0092C281@netscape.net> Hi Julius, I've also encountered problems with upgrading from the CD's. On some machines the upgrade goes without any problems but then when you run either apt or yum update & upgrade all kind of programs are deleted. Bottom line back up your data, if you can, and do a fresh install. good luck norbert "Julius Szelagiewicz" wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >Dear Folks, > I started an upgrade of a production server from 3.1.2 to 4.2.1. It fot >stuck on first CD, on installing SELinux sources. The question is how >badly am i hosed? Should I just try upgrade again? thanks, julius > > > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > >iD8DBQFCUExe2LhlZOaj6vURAqF6AJ9gI7co60tE9pRTpFqn8rtd2Dk2pgCfWmu3 >ppQcuQXN9+k1P12UrYvhcwM= >=ktFM >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From jhansknecht at hanstech.com Sun Apr 3 21:10:19 2005 From: jhansknecht at hanstech.com (John Hansknecht) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 16:10:19 -0500 Subject: [ok-mail] [K12OSN] Mounting network drives Message-ID: <200504031710.19914.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> On Monday 28 March 2005 09:41, Steve Kossakoski wrote: > We have a K12LTSP server setup in each of our schools on MS2000 & 2003 > server networks. We'd like to automount the directory where student > folders reside. Currently, we can browse to these folders, but it > would easier for students/staff to open a folder, select their name, > and login. Can anyone point me to a how-to? You can do this with the pam_mount module available here: http://www.flyn.org/projects/pam_mount/ I use this module to mount the students network server folder under each students home folder on the linux box. As most applications default to open the users home folder the mounted student network server folder is immediately available. -- Thanks, John Hansknecht Hansknecht Technology Services email: john at hanstech.com phone: 248-420-7497 ------------------------------------------------------- -- Thanks, John The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. - Mattrol at uscom.com (Drakmere) From bear2bar at netscape.net Sun Apr 3 22:48:55 2005 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (bear2bar at netscape.net) Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 18:48:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] evolution Message-ID: <7FAEB933.2A0A89D8.0092C281@netscape.net> Hi, OK I give up how do you get data from evolution 1.4 on a k12ltsp 4.1.1 into anevolution 2.0.2 on a k12ltsp 4.2.1 ? I've tried using the folders from 1.4 and copying data to 2.0.2 but the files art not in the same folders Also tried to upgrade 1.4 to 2.0.2 but that doesn't seem to be supported Any quick solution would be appreciated thks norbert __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From cwt137 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 3 21:57:40 2005 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 14:57:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Looking for video performance solutions In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050403215740.41479.qmail@web30313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello, The thing that sped up the graphics a lot was the network equipment I had. Before getting new hardware, the clients were getting something like 0.5 frames per second in the real graphically intensive TuxMath. Then I upgraded the client's network cards to 100mbit and put in a switch instead of a hub. The new switch also had a gigabit upload to the server. I started to get 5-10 frames per second on TuxMath. I bet I could get higher framerates with better clients but I am stuck with 133 and 166 pentiums (they don't even have MMX!).(All fps numbers are my approximation of the real fps.) In summary, if you are getting less than 5 fps it is most likely your network setup. If you want to get something like 15+ fps. I say get better clients with better video cards. Chris --- Adam Reitsma wrote: > Hello!, > ? > One of the issues I have come across is the video > performance using the > k12 terminal server.? For basic stuff its fine but > load something more > graphical such as TuxMath it can take serveral > minutes to load.? I > assume its a coding/development/technology issue > because if I remotely > connect using VNC, all applications are loading > almost instant including > more graphical ones such as TuxMath. > ? > Are there settings I can change for this performance > issue?? Is it part > of the PXE boot image or server settings itself?? > Network related? > ? > It doesn't seem to be hardware related, I have used > a homemade built > terminal and a terminal from > disklessworkstations.com.? The result is > still the same... > ? > Any help is appreciated... > ? > Thanks, > > Adam Reitsma > areitsma at littletonschools.org > ? > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From cwt137 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 3 22:11:21 2005 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 15:11:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] A performance question In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050403221121.86923.qmail@web30315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello, When I think of a true LAMP server, X-windows isn't installed. In this case, having your LAMP server also a LTSP server will take a little more resources because X has to be installed and always running. A lot of people also use their LAMP server as a desktop or workstation computer. In this case, adding LTSP won't hurt performance too much unless you have a lot of clients. Chris --- Mark Cockrell wrote: > I want to set up a simple LAMP server, and I have > the K12LTSP CDs > handy. Is there any reason I shouldn't use them to > load up my sever? I > was going to go ahead and let it set load the LTSP > goodies along the way > so that I could have such niceties as the seamless > VNC integration. > Will this adversely affect system performance? Does > the LTSP setup eat > up RAM/CPU cycles even when there are no clients > attached? > > -- > C-ya, > Mark > ____ > According to a recent survey by the Academy of > Incomplete Research, nine out of ten > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Mon Apr 4 00:25:55 2005 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 08:25:55 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] evolution In-Reply-To: <7FAEB933.2A0A89D8.0092C281@netscape.net> References: <7FAEB933.2A0A89D8.0092C281@netscape.net> Message-ID: <1112574356.6013.32.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2005-04-03 at 18:48 -0400, bear2bar at netscape.net wrote: > Hi, > > OK I give up how do you get data from evolution 1.4 on a k12ltsp 4.1.1 into anevolution 2.0.2 on a k12ltsp 4.2.1 ? > > I've tried using the folders from 1.4 and copying data to 2.0.2 but the files art not in the same folders > Also tried to upgrade 1.4 to 2.0.2 but that doesn't seem to be supported > > Any quick solution would be appreciated > > thks > norbert Sadly, no quick-quick solution. There is an update wizard that is supposed to automagically recognise older version mboxs on first starting the new version, but that never worked well for me - it would always spit the dummy part way through and freeze. So, boring but true, you have to create matching sub-directories in your inbox according to how you had it before and import the old mail one directory at a time. Same with other primary folders such as "sent". The operation is: file > import, then choose "single file" and then point the wizard to the specific mbox file on your old partition/drive/home directory. Repeat until done. Boring, huh? Has made me seriously think about running an imap server to be independent of these sort of email client problems (thanks for that suggestion Les M. and others). You have the same steps with your old calendar and tasks, but your old address book is more problematic. In that case, the general advice seems to be to export the whole lot from your old Evo version as a single vcard file. Alternatively, you can export contacts as a csv file and hope that eventually you get the format of the fields just right - at least that is what people are complaining about here: evolution at lists.ximian.com Consider joining for specific help. -- Regards, Gavin Chester From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Mon Apr 4 01:34:42 2005 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 09:34:42 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] firestarter permission fail In-Reply-To: <1112452482.6013.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1112452482.6013.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1112578482.28911.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2005-04-02 at 22:34 +0800, Gavin Chester wrote: > Displaying my ignorance of permissions problems here in trying to work > out why firestarter won't (fire)start :-) > > I noticed for the fist time since installing v4.2.0 a few weeks ago (as > a dual-purpose server/workstation) that among the startup messages was > the news that firestarter firewall was failing at bootup because of > permissions. What is the name of the log file that lists services > started? I wrongly thought it was dmesg and no other log file I checked > shows the current boot (booted just 6hrs ago) > > I took a look at the /etc/firestarter/firewall.sh file and found it was > owned by root, group root. I took the plunge and chown it to gavin, > group root (see below) but that didn't seem to do the trick when I tried > starting it from the CLI. These transactions are listed below if anyone > can give me pointers on where to tackle this issue. I don't suppose I > have firewall running since it fails on permissions, and I've become > paranoid since repeated attempts at breakin recently via ssh (I've shut > down sshd since I don't use it). > > > [root at local ~]# chown -v gavin /etc/firestarter/firewall.sh > changed ownership of `/etc/firestarter/firewall.sh' to gavin > [root at local ~]# ls -l /etc/firestarter/firewall.sh > -rw-r--r-- 1 gavin root 0 May 18 2004 /etc/firestarter/firewall.sh > > > [root at local ~]# /etc/rc.d/init.d/firestarter start > Flushing all current rules and user defined chains: [ OK ] > Clearing all current rules and user defined chains: [ OK ] > Zeroing all current rules: [ OK ] > Applying Firestarter configuration: /etc/rc.d/init.d/firestarter: line > 39: /etc/firestarter/firewall.sh: Permission denied > &#-1;&#-1; [FAILED] Looking further into the obvious clues with my own problem, I found that the line where the fail occurred, line 39 of /etc/rc.d/init.d/firestarter, contained only this command: $FS_CONFIG ... yet I can't find that command any where on my drive. Perhaps it's buried in a binary somewhere? Either way, I'm no closer to seeing why that is causing a permissions problem. -- Regards, Gavin Chester From bear2bar at netscape.net Mon Apr 4 01:43:27 2005 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (bear2bar at netscape.net) Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 21:43:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] evolution Message-ID: <0507A697.665F756C.0092C281@netscape.net> Hi Gavin, Thanks for the info however there are some obstacles !! 1) Evo 1.4 does not have an export function 2) In the process of upgrading my server from k12ltsp 4.1.1 to 4.2.1 it was destroyed I only have the content of the directories 3) The files in those dirs cannot be read/imported by evo 2.0.2 That said I did find a quick way of getting the contacts transferred. 1) Select all contacts in Evo 1.4 2) From "Actions" select Forward Contact 3) Send email to yourself 4) Retrieve attachment 5) In Evo 2.0.2 select import 6) From single file & point to attachment 7) Select vcard 8) And that's it !!! I just wish the rest was as easy norbert Gavin Chester wrote: >On Sun, 2005-04-03 at 18:48 -0400, bear2bar at netscape.net wrote: >> Hi, >> >> OK I give up how do you get data from evolution 1.4 on a k12ltsp 4.1.1 into anevolution 2.0.2 on a k12ltsp 4.2.1 ? >> >> I've tried using the folders from 1.4 and copying data to 2.0.2 but the files art not in the same folders >> Also tried to upgrade 1.4 to 2.0.2 but that doesn't seem to be supported >> >> Any quick solution would be appreciated >> >> thks >> norbert > >Sadly, no quick-quick solution. There is an update wizard that is >supposed to automagically recognise older version mboxs on first >starting the new version, but that never worked well for me - it would >always spit the dummy part way through and freeze. > >So, boring but true, you have to create matching sub-directories in your >inbox according to how you had it before and import the old mail one >directory at a time. Same with other primary folders such as "sent". > >The operation is: file > import, then choose "single file" and then >point the wizard to the specific mbox file on your old >partition/drive/home directory. Repeat until done. Boring, huh? Has >made me seriously think about running an imap server to be independent >of these sort of email client problems (thanks for that suggestion Les >M. and others). > >You have the same steps with your old calendar and tasks, but your old >address book is more problematic. In that case, the general advice >seems to be to export the whole lot from your old Evo version as a >single vcard file. Alternatively, you can export contacts as a csv file >and hope that eventually you get the format of the fields just right - >at least that is what people are complaining about here: >evolution at lists.ximian.com Consider joining for specific help. > > >-- >Regards, > Gavin Chester > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Mon Apr 4 03:07:58 2005 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 11:07:58 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] evolution In-Reply-To: <0507A697.665F756C.0092C281@netscape.net> References: <0507A697.665F756C.0092C281@netscape.net> Message-ID: <1112584078.28911.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2005-04-03 at 21:43 -0400, bear2bar at netscape.net wrote: > Hi Gavin, > > Thanks for the info however there are some obstacles !! > 1) Evo 1.4 does not have an export function > 2) In the process of upgrading my server from k12ltsp 4.1.1 to 4.2.1 it was destroyed I only have the content of the directories > 3) The files in those dirs cannot be read/imported by evo 2.0.2 > Past mails are kept in a single file in mbox format. The path to these is different in Evo 2.x.x compared to previous versions (as far as I can tell). Just dig deep and look for these mbox files in your old Evo directories (can't remember some example pathways at the moment because mine are on an old drive sitting on the office shelf). When you find them, these are the ones you need to select when doing an import of a _single file_ in Evo 2.x.x- using the import process I explained before. As a clue to finding them, make sure you can see hidden files in your chosen file manager and start to look under /home/[usernmae]/.evolution/.... > That said I did find a quick way of getting the contacts transferred. > 1) Select all contacts in Evo 1.4 > 2) From "Actions" select Forward Contact > 3) Send email to yourself > 4) Retrieve attachment > 5) In Evo 2.0.2 select import > 6) From single file & point to attachment > 7) Select vcard > 8) And that's it !!! > > I just wish the rest was as easy Yeh, that's the "export" as vcard that I was writing about :-). Glad you worked it out. -- Regards, Gavin Chester From les at futuresource.com Mon Apr 4 03:30:26 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 22:30:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] evolution In-Reply-To: <0507A697.665F756C.0092C281@netscape.net> References: <0507A697.665F756C.0092C281@netscape.net> Message-ID: <1112585425.30695.44.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2005-04-03 at 20:43, bear2bar at netscape.net wrote: > I just wish the rest was as easy The brute force way to get email from any mail program to any other: Set up an IMAP server somewhere. Add an account for yourself in your old email program. Create IMAP folders on the server to match your personal folders. Select messages in the personal folders. Drag them to the appropriate IMAP folder. Switch to the new email program. Set up the IMAP account. Drag the messages back to personal folders - or not... Personally, I prefer to keep mail in IMAP folders on a server so that I can use different clients on different machines and always see the same thing. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From bear2bar at netscape.net Mon Apr 4 03:39:24 2005 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (bear2bar at netscape.net) Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 23:39:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] evolution Message-ID: <1B00A6AC.515CE926.0092C281@netscape.net> Hi Les, Yes IMAP server is better & that's why I've used the netscape mail for years. However there now seems to be a quirk in that I can no longer use the netscape mail client to setup my netscape IMAP accounts.(POP account work ??) I would guess that maybe one machine is causing the problem but I've tried it on 5 different machines with everything from Netscape 7.0 up to 8.0 and all have the same problem. The configuration works until the last screen & then an error message comes up saying it cannot complete the account. Any suggestions... norbert Les Mikesell wrote: >On Sun, 2005-04-03 at 20:43, bear2bar at netscape.net wrote: > >> I just wish the rest was as easy > >The brute force way to get email from any mail program to >any other: > >Set up an IMAP server somewhere. >Add an account for yourself in your old email program. >Create IMAP folders on the server to match your personal folders. >Select messages in the personal folders. >Drag them to the appropriate IMAP folder. >Switch to the new email program. >Set up the IMAP account. >Drag the messages back to personal folders - or not... >Personally, I prefer to keep mail in IMAP folders >on a server so that I can use different clients on >different machines and always see the same thing. > >-- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From trond at mahlum.biz Mon Apr 4 09:08:45 2005 From: trond at mahlum.biz (Trond =?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E6hlum?=) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 11:08:45 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Purge users processes at logout Message-ID: <1112605725.26161.3.camel@voyager> If have understood things correctly, there is a option in K12LTSP4.2 which is called PURGE_PROCESSES=YES in /etc/sysconfig/k12ltsp. It doesn't seem to work. Every day firefox-bin is running at 90-99% for users long time gone... I solve this now by rebooting the LTSP servers every night. Are there more options to be set for this to work? Regards Trond M?hlum From daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se Mon Apr 4 09:57:32 2005 From: daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se (Daniel Hedblom) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 11:57:32 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Purge users processes at logout In-Reply-To: <1112605725.26161.3.camel@voyager> References: <1112605725.26161.3.camel@voyager> Message-ID: <1112608652.42510f8cdd73b@rix01.dyndns.org> Citerar Trond M?hlum : Hello! The problem is that this script only purges processes at logout. I suspect the processes you have trouble with are orphaned processes right? PURGE_PROCESSES=YES calls /usr/sbin/purge_user from /etc/X11/gdm/PostSession/Default. The real culprit seems to be Gdm that doesnt kill the users processes if they are left orpaned by a locked up client, a user that just [ctrl][alt][backspace] or any other event that just leaves the processes left hanging. Maybe KDM would be a better login manager until GDM gets fixed. I would love to hear a good solution on this problem myself. /daniel > If have understood things correctly, there is a option in K12LTSP4.2 > which is called PURGE_PROCESSES=YES in /etc/sysconfig/k12ltsp. > > It doesn't seem to work. Every day firefox-bin is running at 90-99% for > users long time gone... I solve this now by rebooting the LTSP servers > every night. Are there more options to be set for this to work? > > Regards > Trond M?hlum > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > Ne auderis delere orbem rigidum meum! ('< ----------------+------------------------------- /V\ Daniel Hedblom | Nipanskolan <(_) ----------------+ Solleftea /__ /\ __~~__________________Network_Technician__](__=_`)___ From gumprechtm at msln.net Mon Apr 4 10:43:45 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 06:43:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] dumped into maintenance shell In-Reply-To: <63659d8e823c0d5b29d8f1713c1890e2@mindfirestudios.com> References: <424D51C8.4080802@msln.net> <63659d8e823c0d5b29d8f1713c1890e2@mindfirestudios.com> Message-ID: <42511A61.7000801@msln.net> Smartd, allows the onboard selfcheck of the hard drive to interface with the software, if I'm not mistaken. The hard drive has checked fine and had been running 24/7 for 5 mos. It's backup and running fine now.Didn't know that this might just be a one time deal or my payment for having gone with a lowend server board. I have 2 dell poweredge 2600 that have not missed a beat. Mark Burke Almquist wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > What does smartd say? > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) > > iEYEARECAAYFAkJQJ+YACgkQfqZR3ThMfXRo0wCfa5itoMEl4UgEXQm9x6iZG1PA > 034An0aM0mbwIbXzUY5/wL16pBC1DZt9 > =9xcD > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From areitsma at littletonschools.org Mon Apr 4 12:33:55 2005 From: areitsma at littletonschools.org (Adam Reitsma) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 08:33:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Looking for video performance solutions In-Reply-To: <20050403215740.41479.qmail@web30313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050403215740.41479.qmail@web30313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <11349040.1112618035387.OPEN-XCHANGE.WebMail.ox@leap.littletonschools.org> Ahh yes, that looks like the problem.? I forgot when the server moved, the link changed from a local site being 100 to a 10 Base over fiber.? I just tested at the new site where the server is and much better on the 10/100 network.? ? So our 3 fiber uplinks to other buildings will have to be upgraded most likely.? At the same time I know the director of technology's vision is to have 4-5 terminals per classroom which will help justify upgrading the backbone hardware to a gigabit solution.? Probably looking at implementing around 250 terminals at our Alternative, Middle, and High School District. ? What's the ratios usually to client per server - 50 terminals per server? ? Anyway, just some side notes, but thanks for the feedback...? ? Adam R. areitsma at littletonschools.org ? On Apr 03, 2005 05:57 PM, Chris Thomas wrote: >Hello, > >The thing that sped up the graphics a lot was the >network equipment I had. Before getting new hardware, >the clients were getting something like 0.5 frames per >second in the real graphically intensive TuxMath. Then >I upgraded the client's network cards to 100mbit and >put in a switch instead of a hub. The new switch also >had a gigabit upload to the server. I started to get >5-10 frames per second on TuxMath. I bet I could get >higher framerates with better clients but I am stuck >with 133 and 166 pentiums (they don't even have >MMX!).(All fps numbers are my approximation of the >real fps.) > >In summary, if you are getting less than 5 fps it is >most likely your network setup. If you want to get >something like 15+ fps. I say get better clients with >better video cards. > >Chris >--- Adam Reitsma >wrote: >>Hello!, >>? >>One of the issues I have come across is the video >>performance using the >>k12 terminal server.? For basic stuff its fine but >>load something more >>graphical such as TuxMath it can take serveral >>minutes to load.? I >>assume its a coding/development/technology issue >>because if I remotely >>connect using VNC, all applications are loading >>almost instant including >>more graphical ones such as TuxMath. >>? >>Are there settings I can change for this performance >>issue?? Is it part >>of the PXE boot image or server settings itself?? >>Network related? >>? >>It doesn't seem to be hardware related, I have used >>a homemade built >>terminal and a terminal from >>disklessworkstations.com.? The result is >>still the same... >>? >>Any help is appreciated... >>? >>Thanks, >> >>Adam Reitsma >>areitsma at littletonschools.org >>? >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see From bkovach at lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us Mon Apr 4 12:41:42 2005 From: bkovach at lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us (Brandon Kovach) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 07:41:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Looking for video performance solutions In-Reply-To: <11349040.1112618035387.OPEN-XCHANGE.WebMail.ox@leap.littletonschools.org> References: <20050403215740.41479.qmail@web30313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <11349040.1112618035387.OPEN-XCHANGE.WebMail.ox@leap.littletonschools.org> Message-ID: <42513606.5030704@lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us> I have 65 terminals on an IBM Xserver and still haven't seen a decline in performance. Adam Reitsma wrote: >Ahh yes, that looks like the problem. I forgot when the server moved, >the link changed from a local site being 100 to a 10 Base over fiber. I >just tested at the new site where the server is and much better on the >10/100 network. > >So our 3 fiber uplinks to other buildings will have to be upgraded most >likely. At the same time I know the director of technology's vision is >to have 4-5 terminals per classroom which will help justify upgrading >the backbone hardware to a gigabit solution. Probably looking at >implementing around 250 terminals at our Alternative, Middle, and High >School District. > >What's the ratios usually to client per server - 50 terminals per >server? > >Anyway, just some side notes, but thanks for the feedback... > >Adam R. >areitsma at littletonschools.org > >On Apr 03, 2005 05:57 PM, Chris Thomas wrote: > > > >>Hello, >> >>The thing that sped up the graphics a lot was the >>network equipment I had. Before getting new hardware, >>the clients were getting something like 0.5 frames per >>second in the real graphically intensive TuxMath. Then >>I upgraded the client's network cards to 100mbit and >>put in a switch instead of a hub. The new switch also >>had a gigabit upload to the server. I started to get >>5-10 frames per second on TuxMath. I bet I could get >>higher framerates with better clients but I am stuck >>with 133 and 166 pentiums (they don't even have >>MMX!).(All fps numbers are my approximation of the >>real fps.) >> >>In summary, if you are getting less than 5 fps it is >>most likely your network setup. If you want to get >>something like 15+ fps. I say get better clients with >>better video cards. >> >>Chris >>--- Adam Reitsma >>wrote: >> >> >>>Hello!, >>> >>>One of the issues I have come across is the video >>>performance using the >>>k12 terminal server. For basic stuff its fine but >>>load something more >>>graphical such as TuxMath it can take serveral >>>minutes to load. I >>>assume its a coding/development/technology issue >>>because if I remotely >>>connect using VNC, all applications are loading >>>almost instant including >>>more graphical ones such as TuxMath. >>> >>>Are there settings I can change for this performance >>>issue? Is it part >>>of the PXE boot image or server settings itself? >>>Network related? >>> >>>It doesn't seem to be hardware related, I have used >>>a homemade built >>>terminal and a terminal from >>>disklessworkstations.com. 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URL: From les at futuresource.com Mon Apr 4 13:45:03 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 08:45:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] evolution In-Reply-To: <1B00A6AC.515CE926.0092C281@netscape.net> References: <1B00A6AC.515CE926.0092C281@netscape.net> Message-ID: <1112622302.32423.4.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2005-04-03 at 22:39, bear2bar at netscape.net wrote: > Hi Les, > > Yes IMAP server is better & that's why I've used the netscape mail for years. However there now seems to be a quirk in that I can no longer use the netscape mail client to setup my netscape IMAP accounts.(POP account work ??) > I would guess that maybe one machine is causing the problem but I've tried it on 5 different machines with everything from Netscape 7.0 up to 8.0 and all have the same problem. The configuration works until the last screen & then an error message comes up saying it cannot complete the account. > > Any suggestions... That's not much to go on. I'd try a different IMAP client like evolution to see if the problem is at the client or server end. It could just be firewalling on the server. A simple test for the server is: telnet server_name 143 If imap is working you should get some sort of prompt. Oddly IMAP doesn't take a simple quit command like pop or smtp so you'll probably have to close the telnet window to exit. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Apr 4 14:59:02 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 09:59:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Wireless tools in apt and yum...broken Message-ID: Eric...et al.... The Wireless tools package in yum and apt is broken (unable to be found) any ideas? Just got a brand new laptop (whee!) and I'm trying to get everything working. Wireless works, but I'd like some tools to play with it and to give me a wireless indicator on the toolbar. Speaking of wireless...anyone got any experience with ndiswrapper? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Mon Apr 4 14:15:34 2005 From: ltsp at symbio-technologies.com (Gideon Romm) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 10:15:34 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] evolution In-Reply-To: <1112574356.6013.32.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <7FAEB933.2A0A89D8.0092C281@netscape.net> <1112574356.6013.32.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1112624134.22716.24.camel@lts01.nr.symbio.com> I don't know if this helps at all, but thought I'd throw it out there: Evolution keeps its settings in two places: 1. ~/evolution (which become .evolution in 2.0) 2. ~/.gconf/apps/evolution In order for the magic migration wizard to work, you have to make sure that you preserve these two folders during an upgrade. If and only if these two folders are preserved, when you launch Evo 2.0, it will convert everything perfectly. The biggest gotcha is that if you keep the entire .gconf directory, it will screw up Gnome as it upgrades to the newer version. So, I would suggest writing a little script that moves the .gconf directory to .gconf.old, and then copies ~/.gconf.old/apps/evolution to ~/.gconf/apps/evolution with the user's permissions. HTH, -Gideon PS: gconf settings get read in upon login, so make sure all users are logged out during this migration. On Sun, 2005-04-03 at 20:25, Gavin Chester wrote: > On Sun, 2005-04-03 at 18:48 -0400, bear2bar at netscape.net wrote: > > Hi, > > > > OK I give up how do you get data from evolution 1.4 on a k12ltsp 4.1.1 into anevolution 2.0.2 on a k12ltsp 4.2.1 ? > > > > I've tried using the folders from 1.4 and copying data to 2.0.2 but the files art not in the same folders > > Also tried to upgrade 1.4 to 2.0.2 but that doesn't seem to be supported > > > > Any quick solution would be appreciated > > > > thks > > norbert > > Sadly, no quick-quick solution. There is an update wizard that is > supposed to automagically recognise older version mboxs on first > starting the new version, but that never worked well for me - it would > always spit the dummy part way through and freeze. > > So, boring but true, you have to create matching sub-directories in your > inbox according to how you had it before and import the old mail one > directory at a time. Same with other primary folders such as "sent". > > The operation is: file > import, then choose "single file" and then > point the wizard to the specific mbox file on your old > partition/drive/home directory. Repeat until done. Boring, huh? Has > made me seriously think about running an imap server to be independent > of these sort of email client problems (thanks for that suggestion Les > M. and others). > > You have the same steps with your old calendar and tasks, but your old > address book is more problematic. 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URL: From rfreidel at computergeex.com Mon Apr 4 14:20:31 2005 From: rfreidel at computergeex.com (Ron Freidel) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 14:20:31 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] evolution Message-ID: <20050404.6T9.37843100@mail.computergeex.com> Les Mikesell (les at futuresource.com) wrote: > > On Sun, 2005-04-03 at 22:39, bear2bar at netscape.net wrote: > > Hi Les, > > > > Yes IMAP server is better & that's why I've used the netscape mail for years. However > there now seems to be a quirk in that I can no longer use the netscape mail client to > setup my netscape IMAP accounts.(POP account work ??) > > I would guess that maybe one machine is causing the problem but I've tried it on 5 > different machines with everything from Netscape 7.0 up to 8.0 and all have the same > problem. The configuration works until the last screen & then an error message comes up > saying it cannot complete the account. > > > > Any suggestions... > > That's not much to go on. I'd try a different IMAP client like > evolution to see if the problem is at the client or server end. > It could just be firewalling on the server. > A simple test for the server is: > telnet server_name 143 > If imap is working you should get some sort of prompt. Oddly IMAP > doesn't take a simple quit command like pop or smtp so you'll probably > have to close the telnet window to exit. > Actually, imap servers do accept commands from a telnet session... [ronf at mobile ~]$ telnet 192.168.10.12 143 Trying 192.168.10.12... Connected to 192.168.10.12. Escape character is '^]'. * OK [CAPABILITY IMAP4rev1 UIDPLUS CHILDREN NAMESPACE THREAD=ORDEREDSUBJECT THREAD=REFERENCES SORT QUOTA IDLE ACL ACL2=UNION STARTTLS] Courier-IMAP ready. Copyright 1998-2004 Double Precision, Inc. See COPYING for distribution information. a login rfreidel at ourdomain mypasswd a OK LOGIN Ok. a logout * BYE Courier-IMAP server shutting down a OK LOGOUT completed Connection closed by foreign host. -- Ron Freidel Sys Admin Computer Geex, Inc. (406) 491-3378 From petre at maltzen.net Mon Apr 4 14:24:46 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 09:24:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] V-4.2.0 Problem installing In-Reply-To: <20050402052415.M89735@winonacotter.org> References: <424DECB6.4020502@richardljohnson.com> <20050402052415.M89735@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <42514E2E.1000108@maltzen.net> I've also run into this problem a few times over the years. So far, the best solution I've found is to use the NFS installation, in which you put the ISO image files for the CDs into a directory on another Linux box, export that directory, boot the server-to-be with disk 1 and type 'linux askmethod' at the boot prompt, and when it asks what method to use, choose NFS and point it at the box with the ISO files. Petre Jim Kronebusch wrote: >>I keep running into a problem loading the 4.2.0. On disk 2 the >>package 'xorg-x11-6.8.1-12.FC3.21 cannot be opened...". I downloaded >>Disc2 again and burned it (2 times) and still stops. Is anyone else >>having this problem? Or, any suggestions? > > > You know here and there I have the same problem. Not necessarily the same > version or same file but the same problem. I usually attribute it to an > older or dirty CDROM. Most of the time if I grab a CDROM from a different > machine or one I know has worked in the past things install just fine and no > errors. I see this more often with a DVD drive, and even when a 40 pin > ribbon is used where a 80 pin should be, and vice versa. > > So I wouldn't necessarily assume your media or download files are the > problem. Howver you could run the md5 checksum to be sure your source file > is up to par before burning (if you haven't already). > From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Mon Apr 4 15:14:12 2005 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 08:14:12 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Purge users processes at logout In-Reply-To: <1112605725.26161.3.camel@voyager> References: <1112605725.26161.3.camel@voyager> Message-ID: <1112627652.28462.4.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> On Mon, 2005-04-04 at 11:08 +0200, Trond M?hlum wrote: > If have understood things correctly, there is a option in K12LTSP4.2 > which is called PURGE_PROCESSES=YES in /etc/sysconfig/k12ltsp. > > It doesn't seem to work. Every day firefox-bin is running at 90-99% for > users long time gone... I solve this now by rebooting the LTSP servers > every night. Are there more options to be set for this to work? If you're using verynice (the default installation does,) you might try adding firefox-bin to the "runaway_exe" list in /etc/verynice.conf It will renice processes that hog the CPU, then kill them if they do that for extended periods of time. -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From les at futuresource.com Mon Apr 4 16:07:49 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 11:07:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] evolution In-Reply-To: <20050404.6T9.37843100@mail.computergeex.com> References: <20050404.6T9.37843100@mail.computergeex.com> Message-ID: <1112630869.12687.3.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2005-04-04 at 09:20, Ron Freidel wrote: > > A simple test for the server is: > > telnet server_name 143 > > If imap is working you should get some sort of prompt. Oddly IMAP > > doesn't take a simple quit command like pop or smtp so you'll probably > > have to close the telnet window to exit. > > > > Actually, imap servers do accept commands from a telnet session... > [ronf at mobile ~]$ telnet 192.168.10.12 143 > Trying 192.168.10.12... > Connected to 192.168.10.12. > Escape character is '^]'. > * OK [CAPABILITY IMAP4rev1 UIDPLUS CHILDREN NAMESPACE THREAD=ORDEREDSUBJECT > THREAD=REFERENCES SORT QUOTA IDLE ACL ACL2=UNION STARTTLS] Courier-IMAP ready. > Copyright 1998-2004 Double Precision, Inc. See COPYING for distribution > information. > a login rfreidel at ourdomain mypasswd > a OK LOGIN Ok. > a logout > * BYE Courier-IMAP server shutting down > a OK LOGOUT completed > Connection closed by foreign host. I know it takes commands, it just doesn't take 'quit' like all the other protocols that allow plan ascii commands in a telnet session for debugging and I would never have guessed to type 'a logout' to make it disconnect. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.cojm From ckuntzman at taylorvilleschools.com Mon Apr 4 16:24:43 2005 From: ckuntzman at taylorvilleschools.com (Chris Kuntzman) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 11:24:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Question about booting from a laptop Message-ID: I have several Gateway PII laptops with No Network card, or Hard drives. they do have CD and Floppy. What would be the best way to connect them to a K12LTSP server? USB Network Card, PCMCIA network card? If I go with USB NIC, what brand is recommended for easiest driver installation? If I go with PCMCIA, again, what brand is recommended for drivers? Thanks, Chris Kuntzman Director of Computer Maintenance Taylorville Community Unit School District #3 101 E. Adams Taylorville, IL 62568 Phone: (217)-287-1318 Fax: (217) 824-5157 http://www.taylorvilleschools.com ckuntzman at taylorvilleschools.com From caldodge at fpcc.net Mon Apr 4 17:57:04 2005 From: caldodge at fpcc.net (Calvin Dodge) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 11:57:04 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Question about booting from a laptop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050404175704.GA9352@fpcc.net> On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 11:24:43AM -0500, Chris Kuntzman wrote: > I have several Gateway PII laptops with No Network card, or Hard drives. > > they do have CD and Floppy. > > What would be the best way to connect them to a K12LTSP server? > USB Network Card, PCMCIA network card? If at all possible, use PCMCIA. USB NICs are usually very CPU-intensive. Calvin -- Calvin Dodge Certified Linux Bigot (tm) http://www.caldodge.fpcc.net From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Apr 4 19:17:32 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 14:17:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Yum is all messed up...any ideas? Message-ID: I've just installed K12lTSP 4.2 on my new laptop and running yum is giving me all kinds of "mirror not found" and so forth....Apt is working OK, but yum is messed up. Any ideas for a fix? I installed the latest yum from K12LTSP....so I'm wondering if anyone else has run into problems? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From rfreidel at computergeex.com Mon Apr 4 18:31:17 2005 From: rfreidel at computergeex.com (Ron Freidel) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 18:31:17 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] evolution Message-ID: <20050404.zep.77750300@mail.computergeex.com> Les Mikesell (les at futuresource.com) wrote: > > On Mon, 2005-04-04 at 09:20, Ron Freidel wrote: > > > > A simple test for the server is: > > > telnet server_name 143 > > > If imap is working you should get some sort of prompt. Oddly IMAP > > > doesn't take a simple quit command like pop or smtp so you'll probably > > > have to close the telnet window to exit. > > > > > > > Actually, imap servers do accept commands from a telnet session... > > [ronf at mobile ~]$ telnet 192.168.10.12 143 > > Trying 192.168.10.12... > > Connected to 192.168.10.12. > > Escape character is '^]'. > > * OK [CAPABILITY IMAP4rev1 UIDPLUS CHILDREN NAMESPACE THREAD=ORDEREDSUBJECT > > THREAD=REFERENCES SORT QUOTA IDLE ACL ACL2=UNION STARTTLS] Courier-IMAP ready. > > Copyright 1998-2004 Double Precision, Inc. See COPYING for distribution > > information. > > a login rfreidel at ourdomain mypasswd > > a OK LOGIN Ok. > > a logout > > * BYE Courier-IMAP server shutting down > > a OK LOGOUT completed > > Connection closed by foreign host. > > I know it takes commands, it just doesn't take 'quit' like all the > other protocols that allow plan ascii commands in a telnet session > for debugging and I would never have guessed to type 'a logout' to > make it disconnect. That probably only works if you have actually logged in, I dunno, never tried it otherwise... -- Ron Freidel Sys Admin Computer Geex, Inc. (406) 491-3378 From lmcpherson at mail.sumner.k12.me.us Mon Apr 4 18:52:50 2005 From: lmcpherson at mail.sumner.k12.me.us (Larry McPherson) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 14:52:50 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Yum is all messed up...any ideas? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I built a system for testing and had the same problem on my AMD desktop. Since it was a new install anyway - I rebuilt the PC and just used RPMs to update the system. I've had no problems since. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of David Trask Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 3:18 PM To: K12OSN at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Yum is all messed up...any ideas? I've just installed K12lTSP 4.2 on my new laptop and running yum is giving me all kinds of "mirror not found" and so forth....Apt is working OK, but yum is messed up. Any ideas for a fix? I installed the latest yum from K12LTSP....so I'm wondering if anyone else has run into problems? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From robark at gmail.com Mon Apr 4 19:09:33 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 12:09:33 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Mounting local HD for high bandwidth apps Message-ID: Working with high bandwidth media (blender, kino, video editing) is not possible with 30 clients off a regular dual xeon even with gigabit link to the switch. Not only because of high cpu requirement but also because of extremely high bandwidth requirement. Therefore, if the clients are fast enough, would it be possible to launch the apps locally (this is already documented) but ALSO use the local hard drives as home directories? So essentially, the OS would be loaded remotely, apps would be sent over NFS and run locally and storage would also be local. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From richard at richardljohnson.com Mon Apr 4 20:22:32 2005 From: richard at richardljohnson.com (Richard Johnson) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 15:22:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] V-4.2.0 Problem installing In-Reply-To: <42514E2E.1000108@maltzen.net> References: <424DECB6.4020502@richardljohnson.com> <20050402052415.M89735@winonacotter.org> <42514E2E.1000108@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <4251A208.2030801@richardljohnson.com> I hate to admit it but I have never used NFS installation but I have read about it. Will give it a try...thanks. Petre Scheie wrote: > I've also run into this problem a few times over the years. So far, > the best solution I've found is to use the NFS installation, in which > you put the ISO image files for the CDs into a directory on another > Linux box, export that directory, boot the server-to-be with disk 1 > and type 'linux askmethod' at the boot prompt, and when it asks what > method to use, choose NFS and point it at the box with the ISO files. > > Petre > > Jim Kronebusch wrote: > >>> I keep running into a problem loading the 4.2.0. On disk 2 the >>> package 'xorg-x11-6.8.1-12.FC3.21 cannot be opened...". I downloaded >>> Disc2 again and burned it (2 times) and still stops. Is anyone else >>> having this problem? Or, any suggestions? >> >> >> >> You know here and there I have the same problem. Not necessarily the >> same version or same file but the same problem. I usually attribute >> it to an older or dirty CDROM. Most of the time if I grab a CDROM >> from a different machine or one I know has worked in the past things >> install just fine and no errors. I see this more often with a DVD >> drive, and even when a 40 pin ribbon is used where a 80 pin should >> be, and vice versa. >> >> So I wouldn't necessarily assume your media or download files are the >> problem. Howver you could run the md5 checksum to be sure your >> source file is up to par before burning (if you haven't already). >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Apr 4 20:27:21 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 13:27:21 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Yum is all messed up...any ideas? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4251A329.9030305@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> David Trask wrote: > I've just installed K12lTSP 4.2 on my new laptop and running yum is giving > me all kinds of "mirror not found" and so forth....Apt is working OK, but > yum is messed up. Any ideas for a fix? I installed the latest yum from > K12LTSP....so I'm wondering if anyone else has run into problems? > Maybe you were just unlucky and hit a couple of mirrors that down. Try it again... I've updated quite a few servers today using yum w/o a problem. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Apr 4 20:35:49 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 13:35:49 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Sharing a life-saving command In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4251A525.30703@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Kevin Matson wrote: > Per the manual page this command sets the security context on files. The > "-R /" made it recurse throughout your entire file system. My questions > to the gurus is what does the restorecon command reference against when > it is setting security contexts? The SELinux policy files are located in /etc/selinux/ -Eric > > Kevin M. > > > ------------------------- > > Kevin Matson > IT - Lab Team > kmatson at pps.k12.or.us > 503-916-2000 x4960 > 503-916-3375 > > Portland Public Schools > >>>>aahodson at episd.org 03/31/05 5:51 PM >>> > > Hi folks > > After a K12LTSP 4.2 yum update, and some minor tweaks, one of the > servers that is heavily used at a middle school I work with > (keyboarding) started behaving very strangly giving me on reboot > 'portmap errors while loading shared libraries' leading to more > permission denied errors, nfs quota errors, and many more! > > Long story short - as root I was able to execute > > restorecon -R / > > and while it took quite a while, the next reboot came up roses. Perhaps > some of our gurus can explain what this command does - all I know is > today it was a life saver for me, and I wanted to share it with the > group. > > Cheers > > > Alan A Hodson MEd. > oF: 915-587-1170 > fX: 915-587-1161 > aahodson at episd.org > http://links.episd.org > . . . " If we teach today's students as we taught yesterdays, we rob > them > of tomorrow " . . . . John Dewey > -=o=- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From robark at gmail.com Mon Apr 4 22:55:55 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 15:55:55 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Mark Shuttleworth on Slashdot Message-ID: http://interviews.slashdot.org/interviews/05/04/04/1859255.shtml?tid=90&tid=163&tid=160&tid=11 Quote "I'm also keen to see flavours of Ubuntu that are tuned for LTSP or embedded environments." BTW he has a fantastic description of his experience going into space. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Tue Apr 5 01:55:30 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 19:55:30 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Can someone tell me two things? Message-ID: <4251F012.7050104@elp.rr.com> Pertinent data: K12ltsp 4.2 FC-3 AMD 1GHZ processors 1 Gig of RAM each machine. 1. I need to move the entire home folder and contents to a different computer so I can work on the first one. How do I do this? Both machines ae essentially networked stand alone machines. 2. Where do I find the file that identifies that has the abreviations for ISA sound cards. I need to put this information in my lts.conf file for several of my home brewed clients that have ESS 1868 cards. Thanks Pat From jim at rossberry.com Tue Apr 5 02:26:04 2005 From: jim at rossberry.com (Jim Wildman) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 22:26:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Can someone tell me two things? In-Reply-To: <4251F012.7050104@elp.rr.com> References: <4251F012.7050104@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 4 Apr 2005, John P. Conlon wrote: > 1. I need to move the entire home folder and contents to a different > computer so I can work on the first one. How do I do this? Both > machines ae essentially networked stand alone machines. > One way is rsync over ssh. cd /home rsync -av -e ssh . othermachine:/home/ All you need is ssh on both boxes and to permit remote root ssh on the target machine. > 2. Where do I find the file that identifies that has the abreviations > for ISA sound cards. I need to put this information in my lts.conf file > for several of my home brewed clients that have ESS 1868 cards. > I think you are looking for the hwdata files /usr/share/hwdata > Thanks > Pat > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jim Wildman, CISSP, RHCE jim at rossberry.com http://www.rossberry.com "Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one." Thomas Paine From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Tue Apr 5 02:40:21 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 20:40:21 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Can someone tell me two things? In-Reply-To: References: <4251F012.7050104@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <4251FA95.9090803@elp.rr.com> Thanks for the response. Will the resync overwrite the home folder in the other machine? I need to keep it intact because it has a different set of users. Jim Wildman wrote: >On Mon, 4 Apr 2005, John P. Conlon wrote: > > > >>1. I need to move the entire home folder and contents to a different >>computer so I can work on the first one. How do I do this? Both >>machines ae essentially networked stand alone machines. >> >> >> >One way is rsync over ssh. > >cd /home >rsync -av -e ssh . othermachine:/home/ > >All you need is ssh on both boxes and to permit remote root ssh on the >target machine. > > > >>2. Where do I find the file that identifies that has the abreviations >>for ISA sound cards. I need to put this information in my lts.conf file >>for several of my home brewed clients that have ESS 1868 cards. >> >> >> > >I think you are looking for the hwdata files /usr/share/hwdata > > > >>Thanks >>Pat >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Jim Wildman, CISSP, RHCE jim at rossberry.com http://www.rossberry.com >"Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best >state, is a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one." >Thomas Paine > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trond at mahlum.biz Tue Apr 5 08:21:55 2005 From: trond at mahlum.biz (Trond =?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E6hlum?=) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 10:21:55 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Purge users processes at logout In-Reply-To: <1112627652.28462.4.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> References: <1112605725.26161.3.camel@voyager> <1112627652.28462.4.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1112689315.3736.13.camel@voyager> man, 04,.04.2005 kl. 08.14 -0700, skrev Dan Young: > On Mon, 2005-04-04 at 11:08 +0200, Trond M?hlum wrote: > > If have understood things correctly, there is a option in K12LTSP4.2 > > which is called PURGE_PROCESSES=YES in /etc/sysconfig/k12ltsp. > > > > It doesn't seem to work. Every day firefox-bin is running at 90-99% for > > users long time gone... I solve this now by rebooting the LTSP servers > > every night. Are there more options to be set for this to work? > > If you're using verynice (the default installation does,) you might try > adding firefox-bin to the "runaway_exe" list in /etc/verynice.conf > > It will renice processes that hog the CPU, then kill them if they do > that for extended periods of time. Thanks for the tip, I did not know this. I have updated the config-file as suggested. Regards Trond M?hlum From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tue Apr 5 12:27:20 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 07:27:20 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Can someone tell me two things? In-Reply-To: <4251F012.7050104@elp.rr.com> References: <4251F012.7050104@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: on the first question. . . If they are networked together. . . rsync -e ssh -avz /path/ root at server:/newpath example, to get home directories from one server to another To "push" to the backup server: rsync -e ssh -avz /home/ root at otherserver.com:/homebackup To "pull" to the backup server: rsync -e ssh -avz root at firstserver.com:/home/ /homebackup The destination directory does not have to exist since it will be created on the fly. The trailing / on /home/ makes it get the directory and all it's subdirectories. Hope this helps! Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Mon, 4 Apr 2005, John P. Conlon wrote: > Pertinent data: > K12ltsp 4.2 FC-3 > AMD 1GHZ processors > 1 Gig of RAM each machine. > > 1. I need to move the entire home folder and contents to a different > computer so I can work on the first one. How do I do this? Both > machines ae essentially networked stand alone machines. > > 2. Where do I find the file that identifies that has the abreviations > for ISA sound cards. I need to put this information in my lts.conf file > for several of my home brewed clients that have ESS 1868 cards. > > Thanks > Pat > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tue Apr 5 12:28:11 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 07:28:11 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Can someone tell me two things? In-Reply-To: <4251FA95.9090803@elp.rr.com> References: <4251F012.7050104@elp.rr.com> <4251FA95.9090803@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: yes it will of you send it to /home. send it to somewhere else like /homeback or something and it won't. Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Mon, 4 Apr 2005, John P. Conlon wrote: > Thanks for the response. Will the resync overwrite the home folder in > the other machine? I need to keep it intact because it has a different > set of users. > > Jim Wildman wrote: > > >On Mon, 4 Apr 2005, John P. Conlon wrote: > > > > > > > >>1. I need to move the entire home folder and contents to a different > >>computer so I can work on the first one. How do I do this? Both > >>machines ae essentially networked stand alone machines. > >> > >> > >> > >One way is rsync over ssh. > > > >cd /home > >rsync -av -e ssh . othermachine:/home/ > > > >All you need is ssh on both boxes and to permit remote root ssh on the > >target machine. > > > > > > > >>2. Where do I find the file that identifies that has the abreviations > >>for ISA sound cards. I need to put this information in my lts.conf file > >>for several of my home brewed clients that have ESS 1868 cards. > >> > >> > >> > > > >I think you are looking for the hwdata files /usr/share/hwdata > > > > > > > >>Thanks > >>Pat > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>K12OSN mailing list > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>For more info see > >> > >> > >> > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Jim Wildman, CISSP, RHCE jim at rossberry.com http://www.rossberry.com > >"Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best > >state, is a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one." > >Thomas Paine > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > > > From trond at mahlum.biz Tue Apr 5 13:40:27 2005 From: trond at mahlum.biz (Trond =?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E6hlum?=) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 15:40:27 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Printertrouble on K12LTSP4.2 Message-ID: <1112708427.5072.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> I have gotten into some printertrouble in K12LTSP4.2. I believe this must be an FC3 thing, since it didn't happen in K12LTSP4.0. What happens is that my printers go into a "not ready" state after some time. "Some time" can be an hour or three days, it doesn't really seem to be an exact answer. When students can not print anymore, I do a 'lpq' and I get 'printer not ready' and a whole lot of documents in queue. The only way to restart the printer again is to first type 'cancel -a' at the prompt to remove the queue, then login to localhost:631 through a browser and press 'start printer'. It then prints again. Simply restarting cups does nothing with the matter. However, when the printer goes into 'not ready' it still answers to ping, and the display on the printers show 'ready'. I mainly use HP 4050 printers, but I also have some Lexmarks around, it happens there as well. It doesn't apply to just one brand. I also use the postscript driver, as recommended by system-config-printer and also on linuxprinting.org. This is getting very frustrating. With nine schools and a lot of printers.... We can't have one man sit and do this all the time. This simpy should not happen. I have tried to install the printers both as Jetdirect and as lpd-queue. Lpd-queue seem to hold up a little while longer, but it happens there as well. Can someone please help me out on this one? Regards Trond M?hlum From gumprechtm at msln.net Tue Apr 5 13:53:02 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 09:53:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Printertrouble on K12LTSP4.2 In-Reply-To: <1112708427.5072.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1112708427.5072.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4252983E.50303@msln.net> I have had a similar problem, but it did not include my ltsp. I updated the firmware and drivers for the printer and, probably more of the problem, Updated my sonicwall firmware. My printers would drop off, no time frame, just whenever. This cured my problem.And if by chance you are using sonicwalls, Just because a rule states "access by default", does not guarantee that access for printing will be granted. It must be specifically specified. hth Mark Trond M?hlum wrote: >I have gotten into some printertrouble in K12LTSP4.2. I believe this >must be an FC3 thing, since it didn't happen in K12LTSP4.0. > >What happens is that my printers go into a "not ready" state after some >time. "Some time" can be an hour or three days, it doesn't really seem >to be an exact answer. > >When students can not print anymore, I do a 'lpq' and I get 'printer not >ready' and a whole lot of documents in queue. The only way to restart >the printer again is to first type 'cancel -a' at the prompt to remove >the queue, then login to localhost:631 through a browser and press >'start printer'. It then prints again. Simply restarting cups does >nothing with the matter. > >However, when the printer goes into 'not ready' it still answers to >ping, and the display on the printers show 'ready'. > >I mainly use HP 4050 printers, but I also have some Lexmarks around, it >happens there as well. It doesn't apply to just one brand. I also use >the postscript driver, as recommended by system-config-printer and also >on linuxprinting.org. > >This is getting very frustrating. With nine schools and a lot of >printers.... We can't have one man sit and do this all the time. This >simpy should not happen. > >I have tried to install the printers both as Jetdirect and as lpd-queue. >Lpd-queue seem to hold up a little while longer, but it happens there as >well. > >Can someone please help me out on this one? > >Regards >Trond M?hlum > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From henryhartley at westat.com Tue Apr 5 13:59:27 2005 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 09:59:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] V-4.2.0 Problem installing Message-ID: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D1C1F30@MAILBE2.westat.com> On Sat, 02 Apr, 2005 at 12:27 AM Jim Kronebusch said: >> >> > I keep running into a problem loading the 4.2.0. On disk 2 >> > the package 'xorg-x11-6.8.1-12.FC3.21 cannot be opened...". >> > I downloaded Disc2 again and burned it (2 times) and still >> > stops. Is anyone else having this problem? Or, any >> > suggestions? >> >> You know here and there I have the same problem. Not >> necessarily the same version or same file but the same >> problem. I usually attribute it to an older or dirty CDROM. >> Most of the time if I grab a CDROM from a different machine or >> one I know has worked in the past things install just fine and >> no errors. I see this more often with a DVD drive, and even >> when a 40 pin ribbon is used where a 80 pin should be, and vice >> versa. I've also had this sort of problem, particularly on older, less capable hardware. I've found that doing a text install instead of the default gui install makes a big difference on this sort of machine. I've been able to install that way when swapping CD drives didn't help. -- Henry From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Apr 5 14:14:41 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 07:14:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Printertrouble on K12LTSP4.2 In-Reply-To: <1112708427.5072.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1112708427.5072.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Apr 2005, Trond [ISO-8859-1] M?hlum wrote: > I have gotten into some printertrouble in K12LTSP4.2. I believe this > must be an FC3 thing, since it didn't happen in K12LTSP4.0. > > What happens is that my printers go into a "not ready" state after some > time. "Some time" can be an hour or three days, it doesn't really seem > to be an exact answer. 1) have you checked /var/log/cups/error_log ? 2) printing from Windows sometimes causes me problems if I don't enable raw printing. Try editing /etc/cups/mime.convs and /etc/cups/mime.types and uncomment the lines that enable the Raw filter. 3) I have heard reports that if a printer runs out of paper, after some period of time CUPS will disable that printer. -Eric From les at futuresource.com Tue Apr 5 14:36:19 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 09:36:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Can someone tell me two things? In-Reply-To: <4251FA95.9090803@elp.rr.com> References: <4251F012.7050104@elp.rr.com> <4251FA95.9090803@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <1112711779.32138.5.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2005-04-04 at 21:40, John P. Conlon wrote: > Thanks for the response. Will the resync overwrite the home folder in > the other machine? I need to keep it intact because it has a > different set of users. It will only overwrite exactly matching filenames unless you add the --delete option to remove files that don't exist on the source side. If the other set of users have different login names you won't affect them. However you probably have conflicting uid numbers so you'll have to do some hand-tweaking of the /etc/passwd file to fix this and follow it up with a 'chown -R' on each home directory if you intend to merge a user base that was added separately to different machines. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Apr 5 16:09:39 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 09:09:39 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Printertrouble on K12LTSP4.2 In-Reply-To: References: <1112708427.5072.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4252B843.80708@paasda.org> For me this was happening to a printer attached to a local thin client... when a student would lockup or reboot the client...the printer would cease to function.... in my case I use the 'http://ltspmachine:631/' and stop then start the printer again...and everything starts working again. --Huck Eric Harrison wrote: > On Tue, 5 Apr 2005, Trond [ISO-8859-1] M?hlum wrote: > >> I have gotten into some printertrouble in K12LTSP4.2. I believe this >> must be an FC3 thing, since it didn't happen in K12LTSP4.0. >> >> What happens is that my printers go into a "not ready" state after some >> time. "Some time" can be an hour or three days, it doesn't really seem >> to be an exact answer. > > > 1) have you checked /var/log/cups/error_log ? > > 2) printing from Windows sometimes causes me problems if I don't > enable raw printing. Try editing /etc/cups/mime.convs and > /etc/cups/mime.types and uncomment the lines that enable the > Raw filter. > > 3) I have heard reports that if a printer runs out of paper, after some > period of time CUPS will disable that printer. > > -Eric > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From aslansreturn at yahoo.com Tue Apr 5 16:29:35 2005 From: aslansreturn at yahoo.com (richard ingalls) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 09:29:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] FC3 woes ... some clients can't find DHCP server Message-ID: <20050405162936.28351.qmail@web52903.mail.yahoo.com> I finally did a fresh NFS image install (4.2.0) over an old 3.0.0 install. Now, suddenly clients that used to connect are NOT! Just a few clients can still connect. The rest are searching for the DHCP server and not finding it. What is going on? __________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger Show us what our next emoticon should look like. Join the fun. http://www.advision.webevents.yahoo.com/emoticontest From jhansknecht at hanstech.com Tue Apr 5 17:14:27 2005 From: jhansknecht at hanstech.com (John Hansknecht) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 13:14:27 -0400 Subject: Fwd: Re: [ok-mail] [K12OSN] pam_mount Message-ID: <200504051314.27936.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> On Tuesday 05 April 2005 11:28, Nathan Sinton wrote: > Ok, I've got pam_mount working with only one small problem. When the > user logs out the home directory isn't unmounted. I've got: "lsof > /usr/sbin/lsof %(MNTPT)" and "umount /bin/umount %(MNTPT)" in > pam_mount.conf which I believe is all pam_mount needs to unmount the > directory. Do I need something else or is there a way to setup a > timeout of say 30 minutes before the home directories are unmounted? I found I had trouble unmounting until I switched to a 'lazy' umount. Look in your /etc/security/pam_mount.conf for the umount line: umount /bin/umount -l By default the umount had a "-f" switch, I switched it to a "-l" (as shown above) to use a lazy umount. There are two disclaimers in the conf file regarding this usage but I suspect for your usage neither will able. For the regard the disclaimers are: # Linux supports lazy unmounting (-l). May be dangerous for encrypted volumes. # May also break loopback mounts because loopback devices are not freed. -- Thanks, John ------------------------------------------------------- -- Thanks, John The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. - Mattrol at uscom.com (Drakmere) From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Tue Apr 5 17:48:56 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 12:48:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Can someone tell me two things? In-Reply-To: References: <4251F012.7050104@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <32b0d15f60c27f67061871633e618d16@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 What you mean is that the trailing / means that it takes the contents of home rather than home and its contents? right? -a does the recursion. I wasn't sure which you were implying, so I figured it would be helpful to clarify. So you'd end up with /homebackup/home/userx or /homebackup/userx. Depending on whether you use the trailing slash on the source path. See? > The trailing / on /home/ makes it get the directory and all it's > subdirectories. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkJSz4kACgkQfqZR3ThMfXTIBwCeJDPgQUodtoDuqAVnDLcD8pJY HTcAmgM+Kml0+ibmGeCS5UD11M738mX9 =CoKP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dyioulos at firstbhph.com Tue Apr 5 17:54:34 2005 From: dyioulos at firstbhph.com (Dimitri Yioulos) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 13:54:34 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT but an emergency Message-ID: <200504051354.34510.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> Hello to all. After posting this in the "appropriate" list, googling, etc., I'm turning to you folks to see if anyone can help. This has me at wits end: I have 5 CentOS 3.4 (RHEL AS 3) boxes running Samba 3.0.13-1. They have been joined to ADS; the PDC is a Win2k3 box. I've been running this successfully for a while now. However, this morning, I added SP1 to the Win2k3 server, and now my Samba boxes are all messed up (wouldn't ya know). Where previously I had files and directories that might have ownership of HEADQUARTERS\Administrator and group ownership of HEADQUARTERS\Domain Users (or some other existing user or group on the Windows server, those have "magically" been replaced by uid and gid numbers. When our users try to access these files or directories, they're prompted for a uname and password, none of which work. If I try to change ownersip and group ownership back to where I had them, the systems say that user and group that I try to use are invalid names. This despite the fact that I get correct values when I run "wbinfo -u", "wbinfo -g", and "getent passwd". I've got to get us back to square as quickly as possible. Can anyone help? Many thanks. Dimitri From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Apr 5 18:51:46 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 13:51:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT but an emergency In-Reply-To: <200504051354.34510.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> Message-ID: <004801c53a10$844a5980$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > I've got to get us back to square as quickly as possible. > Can anyone help? Can you un-install SP1 and figure this out on a test box/system? -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dyioulos at firstbhph.com Tue Apr 5 19:04:36 2005 From: dyioulos at firstbhph.com (Dimitri Yioulos) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 15:04:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT but an emergency In-Reply-To: <004801c53a10$844a5980$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <004801c53a10$844a5980$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <200504051504.36869.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> On Tuesday 05 April 2005 02:51 pm, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > I've got to get us back to square as quickly as possible. > > Can anyone help? > > Can you un-install SP1 and figure this out on a test box/system? Jim, I'm fearful to, but may have to as a last resort. This is curious, too. Now, I can chane ownership of a file, nut not group ownership. Also, as soon as I restart samba, the file ownership goes back to the uid. Does this suggest anything to anyone? Dimitri From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Apr 5 19:18:27 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 14:18:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT but an emergency In-Reply-To: <200504051504.36869.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> Message-ID: <004c01c53a14$3e7c7d30$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > On Tuesday 05 April 2005 02:51 pm, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > > I've got to get us back to square as quickly as possible. > Can anyone > > > help? > > > > Can you un-install SP1 and figure this out on a test box/system? > > Jim, > > I'm fearful to, but may have to as a last resort. I have absolutely no idea what or why this happened. So I just figured if this is an emergency, remove what you know caused the problem. Hopefully you have a good/recent backup in case things go south. Good luck. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Apr 5 19:20:20 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 12:20:20 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] FC3 woes ... some clients can't find DHCP server In-Reply-To: <20050405162936.28351.qmail@web52903.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050405162936.28351.qmail@web52903.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4252E4F4.7020002@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> richard ingalls wrote: > I finally did a fresh NFS image install (4.2.0) over > an old 3.0.0 install. Now, suddenly clients that used > to connect are NOT! Just a few clients can still > connect. The rest are searching for the DHCP server > and not finding it. What is going on? > > That is interesting that some clients work, some don't. Do you have a default network configuration? (i.e. eth0=192.168.0.254 and eth1 connected to your LAN) What do you see in /var/log/messages when a broken terminal tries to boot? Do you see a /etc/dhcpd.conf.rpmsave or /etc/dhcpd.conf.rpmnew? Can you attach a copy of your current /etc/dhcpd.conf? -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Apr 5 19:28:27 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 12:28:27 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT but an emergency In-Reply-To: <200504051354.34510.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> References: <200504051354.34510.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> Message-ID: <4252E6DB.7030006@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Dimitri Yioulos wrote: > Hello to all. > > After posting this in the "appropriate" list, googling, etc., I'm turning to > you folks to see if anyone can help. This has me at wits end: > > I have 5 CentOS 3.4 (RHEL AS 3) boxes running Samba 3.0.13-1. They > have been joined to ADS; the PDC is a Win2k3 box. I've been running > this successfully for a while now. > > However, this morning, I added SP1 to the Win2k3 server, and now my > Samba boxes are all messed up (wouldn't ya know). Where previously I > had files and directories that might have ownership of > HEADQUARTERS\Administrator and group ownership of HEADQUARTERS\Domain > Users (or some other existing user or group on the Windows server, > those have "magically" been replaced by uid and gid numbers. When our > users try to access these files or directories, they're prompted for a > uname and password, none of which work. If I try to change ownersip > and group ownership back to where I had them, the systems say that > user and group that I try to use are invalid names. This despite the > fact that I get correct values when I run "wbinfo -u", "wbinfo -g", > and "getent passwd". > > I've got to get us back to square as quickly as possible. Can anyone > help? > > Many thanks. > > Dimitri Googling I found these: http://lists.samba.org/archive/samba/2005-March/102971.html http://lists.samba.org/archive/samba-technical/2005-April/040187.html Here is a patch that may help: http://samba.org/~jerry/patches/post-3.0.13/winbindd_2k3sp1.patch -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From dyioulos at firstbhph.com Tue Apr 5 19:32:15 2005 From: dyioulos at firstbhph.com (Dimitri Yioulos) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 15:32:15 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT but an emergency In-Reply-To: <4252E6DB.7030006@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <200504051354.34510.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> <4252E6DB.7030006@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <200504051532.15967.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> On Tuesday 05 April 2005 03:28 pm, Eric Harrison wrote: > Dimitri Yioulos wrote: > > Hello to all. > > > > After posting this in the "appropriate" list, googling, etc., I'm turning > > to you folks to see if anyone can help. This has me at wits end: > > > > I have 5 CentOS 3.4 (RHEL AS 3) boxes running Samba 3.0.13-1. They > > have been joined to ADS; the PDC is a Win2k3 box. I've been running > > this successfully for a while now. > > > > However, this morning, I added SP1 to the Win2k3 server, and now my > > Samba boxes are all messed up (wouldn't ya know). Where previously I > > had files and directories that might have ownership of > > HEADQUARTERS\Administrator and group ownership of HEADQUARTERS\Domain > > Users (or some other existing user or group on the Windows server, > > those have "magically" been replaced by uid and gid numbers. When our > > users try to access these files or directories, they're prompted for a > > uname and password, none of which work. If I try to change ownersip > > and group ownership back to where I had them, the systems say that > > user and group that I try to use are invalid names. This despite the > > fact that I get correct values when I run "wbinfo -u", "wbinfo -g", > > and "getent passwd". > > > > I've got to get us back to square as quickly as possible. Can anyone > > help? > > > > Many thanks. > > > > Dimitri > > Googling I found these: > > http://lists.samba.org/archive/samba/2005-March/102971.html > http://lists.samba.org/archive/samba-technical/2005-April/040187.html > > > Here is a patch that may help: > > http://samba.org/~jerry/patches/post-3.0.13/winbindd_2k3sp1.patch > > > -Eric Eric, Many thanks. Wish ta God I'd read these before jumping in. I'll try uninstalling SP1, as Jim suggested, then wait for Samba 3.0.14, which should include the patch. Thanks again. Dimitri From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Apr 5 19:37:43 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 14:37:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] FC3 woes ... some clients can't find DHCP server In-Reply-To: <4252E4F4.7020002@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <005901c53a16$ef7f3530$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > That is interesting that some clients work, some don't. > > Do you have a default network configuration? (i.e. > eth0=192.168.0.254 and eth1 connected to your LAN) > > What do you see in /var/log/messages when a broken terminal > tries to boot? > > Do you see a /etc/dhcpd.conf.rpmsave or /etc/dhcpd.conf.rpmnew? > > Can you attach a copy of your current /etc/dhcpd.conf? Is there a common denominator? Say some are booting PXE, some another way, and only the PXE clients are working. Maybe some have intel NIC's and some 3Com, and only the 3Com NIC machines are booting. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From aslansreturn at yahoo.com Tue Apr 5 20:09:05 2005 From: aslansreturn at yahoo.com (richard ingalls) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 13:09:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] FC3 woes ... some clients can't find DHCP server In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050405200905.52301.qmail@web52910.mail.yahoo.com> Well, I think I know what the problem is... I had just freshly installed FC3 via NFS (first time NFS install). Then someone told me about the Symbiont Management software (gpl'd RPM from Symbiont) and I installed it. I must have made some tweaks in this software that messed up the default install. I will do another complete install of FC3, this time no Symbiont. --- Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > That is interesting that some clients work, some > don't. > > > > Do you have a default network configuration? (i.e. > > > eth0=192.168.0.254 and eth1 connected to your LAN) > > > > What do you see in /var/log/messages when a broken > terminal > > tries to boot? > > > > Do you see a /etc/dhcpd.conf.rpmsave or > /etc/dhcpd.conf.rpmnew? > > > > Can you attach a copy of your current > /etc/dhcpd.conf? > > Is there a common denominator? Say some are booting > PXE, some another > way, and only the PXE clients are working. Maybe > some have intel NIC's > and some 3Com, and only the 3Com NIC machines are > booting. > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Tue Apr 5 22:33:33 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 15:33:33 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] FC3 woes ... some clients can't find DHCP server In-Reply-To: <20050405200905.52301.qmail@web52910.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050405200905.52301.qmail@web52910.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: So, don't give up on that software, Richard. It took me some time, but I have come to really appreciate it. The free workstation manager solves a lot of problems for me, including sound! If you changed the default setting in Symbiont, it doesn't let a workstation log on until you invite it to. Which is really handy for a large install, since it tells you what machines by mac address are trying to log on as you boot them up one by one. Steve On Apr 5, 2005 1:09 PM, richard ingalls wrote: > Well, I think I know what the problem is... > > I had just freshly installed FC3 via NFS (first time > NFS install). Then someone told me about the Symbiont > Management software (gpl'd RPM from Symbiont) and I > installed it. I must have made some tweaks in this > software that messed up the default install. I will > do another complete install of FC3, this time no > Symbiont. > > > --- Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > > That is interesting that some clients work, some > > don't. > > > > > > Do you have a default network configuration? (i.e. > > > > > eth0=192.168.0.254 and eth1 connected to your LAN) > > > > > > What do you see in /var/log/messages when a broken > > terminal > > > tries to boot? > > > > > > Do you see a /etc/dhcpd.conf.rpmsave or > > /etc/dhcpd.conf.rpmnew? > > > > > > Can you attach a copy of your current > > /etc/dhcpd.conf? > > > > Is there a common denominator? Say some are booting > > PXE, some another > > way, and only the PXE clients are working. Maybe > > some have intel NIC's > > and some 3Com, and only the 3Com NIC machines are > > booting. > > > > > > -- > > This message has been scanned for viruses and > > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct From ascensiontech at gmail.com Tue Apr 5 23:39:29 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Ascension Tech) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 19:39:29 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] weird squidguard problem Message-ID: <9bd317560504051639201e00f9@mail.gmail.com> I can't for the life of me figure this one out. I'm trying to add sites to be blocked. I've tried adding them to the local-block domain and url files but they won't block. Other sites in the lists block, just not the two that I've added. I've restarted the squidguard and httpd services and the permissions are OK. What the heck am I doing wrong? Thanks in advance, Peter # # CONFIG FILE FOR SQUIDGUARD # # See http://www.squidguard.org/config/ for more examples # dbhome /var/squidGuard/blacklists logdir /var/log/squidGuard #source passall { # ip 192.168.2.117 # ip 192.168.2.118 # ip 192.168.2.99 #} #destination local-denied { # urllist local-denied.desturllist # domainlist local-denied.destdomainlist # log local-denied #} # #destination local-allowed { # domainlist local-allowed.destdomainlist # urllist local-allowed.desturllist #} dest ads { log ads domainlist ads/domains urllist ads/urls } dest audio-video { log audio-video domainlist audio-video/domains urllist audio-video/urls } dest aggressive { log aggressive domainlist aggressive/domains urllist aggressive/urls } dest drugs { log drugs domainlist drugs/domains urllist drugs/urls } dest gambling{ log gambling domainlist gambling/domains urllist gambling/urls } dest hacking { log hacking domainlist hacking/domains urllist hacking/urls } dest mail { log mail domainlist mail/domains urllist mail/urls } dest porn{ log porn domainlist porn/domains urllist porn/urls } dest proxy{ log proxy domainlist proxy/domains urllist proxy/urls } dest violence{ log violence domainlist violence/domains urllist violence/urls } dest redirector{ log redirector domainlist redirector/domains urllist redirector/urls } dest warez{ log warez domainlist warez/domains urllist warez/urls } #dest local-ok{ # domainlist local-ok/domains # urllist local-ok/urls# dest local-block{ log local-block domainlist local-block/domains urllist local-block/urls } rewrite google { s@(google.com/search.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i s@(google.com/images.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i s@(google.com/groups.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i s@(google.com/news.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i # log google } acl { default { # for google to be in "safe mode" rewrite google pass !local-block !ads !drugs !hacking !warez !mail !redirector !violence !audio-video !proxy !aggressive !hacking !gambling !porn all redirect 302:http://192.168.1.145:8080/cgi-bin/squidGuard-simple.cgi?clientaddr=%a&clientname=%n&clientident=%i&srcclass=%s&targetclass=%t&url=%u } } From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Apr 5 23:46:30 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 16:46:30 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] weird squidguard problem In-Reply-To: <9bd317560504051639201e00f9@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560504051639201e00f9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42532356.1020307@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Ascension Tech wrote: > I can't for the life of me figure this one out. I'm trying to add > sites to be blocked. I've tried adding them to the local-block domain > and url files but they won't block. Other sites in the lists block, > just not the two that I've added. I've restarted the squidguard and > httpd services and the permissions are OK. What the heck am I doing > wrong? > > Thanks in advance, > Peter Did you rebuild the databases after you added the new entries to the domain & url files? The update blacklists script will do this for you: /usr/sbin/update_squidguard_blacklists -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Wed Apr 6 00:23:37 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 18:23:37 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Tux Paint question Message-ID: <42532C09.1050706@elp.rr.com> Is there a way to make the Tux Paint saved folder visible to the users without showing them the rest of the files in the Tux Paint folder. Preferably, please without having to do each user individually. My students are doing a project that requires originally created graphics and need to be able to incorporate these graphics with text. From nbs at sonic.net Wed Apr 6 01:12:03 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 18:12:03 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Tux Paint question In-Reply-To: <42532C09.1050706@elp.rr.com> References: <42532C09.1050706@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <20050406011203.GA12344@sonic.net> On Tue, Apr 05, 2005 at 06:23:37PM -0600, John P. Conlon wrote: > Is there a way to make the Tux Paint saved folder visible to the users > without showing them the rest of the files in the Tux Paint folder. > Preferably, please without having to do each user individually. My > students are doing a project that requires originally created graphics > and need to be able to incorporate these graphics with text. (Just so folks know, the new "tuxpaint-users"[*] mailing list is also a good place for questions like this. ;^) I'm trying to drum up postings!) The "--savedir ..." option (or "savedir=..." in Tux Paint's config file) might do the trick. It could also be possible to use a symbolic link to expose the standard saved-files directory. Let me know whether either of these work. If not, I'll put some more brain power to it, and/or talk to you about possible tweaks for future versions of Tux Paint, to make this easier for adminly folk like yourself. :) Thx! -bill! [*] http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/tuxpaint/lists/ From les at futuresource.com Wed Apr 6 01:21:32 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 20:21:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SME & k12ltsp 4.2.1 In-Reply-To: <67D2E330.1A65B891.0092C281@netscape.net> References: <67D2E330.1A65B891.0092C281@netscape.net> Message-ID: <1112750492.6291.5.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-04-05 at 18:42, bear2bar at netscape.net wrote: > Configuration; > Cable modem -> SME 6.0 -> k12ltsp 4.2.1 server -> switch -> clients > > The SME server can connect to the outside & to the local lan, clients get > an ip address but can't connect outside (internet.) The k12ltsp server can ping > the SME server & the clients but not to the internet. Any suggestion ??? Make sure the k12 server is using the SME's inside interface address as its default gateway and that you have different network numbers on the inside/outside NICs. Also, the SME server may be configured as a transparent proxy for port 80 - if so be sure squid is running. If you traceroute to an internet address from the k12ltsp server, where does it stop? -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG Wed Apr 6 02:15:01 2005 From: HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Burroughs, Henry) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 22:15:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Suggested IP subnet Schemes & other migration mess Message-ID: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D78420646644@hhpmail.MEDIA.LOCAL> I am looking to subnet my network this summer into several VLANs. What IP address schemes are people using/suggest (I was thinking 10.142.[0-10].*), with the [0-10] number corresponding w/ VLAN #)? For all those non thin-client boxes on your network (ie: Windows workstations) do you use static or DHCP addresses? Do you use an internal only DNS scheme (like .ltsp, .local, etc) w/ or without dynamic DHCP updates (if no dynamic updates, did you just load generic entries like "dhcp-2-118" for 10.142.2.118)? For all those evil Windows 98 clients on the network, and suggestions or tips about using WINS (btw, I currently have an Active Directory server that I want to migrate to SAMBA/LDAP)? My first VLAN attempts ended up with the 98 clients not seeing my Samba servers (even though I told them to report to the AD WINS server), and my own FC2 system not doing LDAP queries properly over the subnet (really, really slow)... yes, I use AD ldap directly on my system. Also, can I have a Samba PDC on the same subnet as a AD Domain Controller (different domains of course)? aaaaggh! Henry Burroughs Technology Director Hilton Head Preparatory School www.hhprep.org From sudev at mantraonline.com Wed Apr 6 04:15:42 2005 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 09:45:42 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Printertrouble on K12LTSP4.2 In-Reply-To: <4252B843.80708@paasda.org> References: <1112708427.5072.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4252B843.80708@paasda.org> Message-ID: <1112760942.15454.10.camel@server.ltsp> On Tue, 2005-04-05 at 09:09 -0700, Huck wrote: > For me this was happening to a printer attached to a local thin client... > when a student would lockup or reboot the client...the printer would > cease to function.... > in my case I use the 'http://ltspmachine:631/' and stop then start the > printer again...and everything starts working again. Same here. Googling showed that it is likely cups problem and updating to latest will help. Will post results. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From jhansknecht at hanstech.com Wed Apr 6 11:09:57 2005 From: jhansknecht at hanstech.com (John Hansknecht) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 07:09:57 -0400 Subject: [ok-mail] [K12OSN] weird squidguard problem In-Reply-To: <9bd317560504051639201e00f9@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560504051639201e00f9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200504060709.57305.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> On Tuesday 05 April 2005 19:39, Ascension Tech wrote: > I can't for the life of me figure this one out. I'm trying to add > sites to be blocked. I've tried adding them to the local-block domain > and url files but they won't block. Other sites in the lists block, > just not the two that I've added. I've restarted the squidguard and > httpd services and the permissions are OK. What the heck am I doing > wrong? Hi Peter, OK, for what it is worth I can't find in comment on this on the squidguard site. But my memory is that the domain and url lists have to be in alphabetical order. I always sort the local-block lists after I add new records. sort -o Thanks, John The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. - Mattrol at uscom.com (Drakmere) From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Wed Apr 6 13:01:28 2005 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 09:01:28 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Accelerated Reader and Star Reader programs In-Reply-To: <20050331102646.2C924733EE@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050331102646.2C924733EE@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1112792488.28442.2.camel@phoenix.hhp> Ann, There is one other glitch I just remembered about selecting the database: http://www.codeweavers.com/site/compatibility/browse/name?app_id=128;forum=1 Basically you have to select a file in your data folder (instead of the data folder itself) for it to select a directory properly. Sorry about that! Henry > > ______________________________________________________________________ > From: Ann Butler > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Accelerated Reader and Star Reader programs > Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:27:40 -0600 > > I got AR to run under Crossover...sort of. We have a data base that it > seemed not to connect to. Any tweaking that > You did seem to help with any of those problems. ?? Each of our > schools has a data base that is out on a server and > The program has to hit that. It is of course a windows server. > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Burroughs, Henry > Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 2:28 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools.; Support list for > opensource software in schools. > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Accelerated Reader and Star Reader programs > > AR (5.12 at least) works well under Crossover Office by Codeweavers. I > believe someone else recently got it to work under a regular WINE build > as well (he had problems adding students in the management module... I > didn't have problems via Crossover Office 4.1). There are some tweaks > you need to do to the wine config in order to make the fonts render > properly (there is a problem w/ anti-aliasing and how the text inverts > from black on white to white on black when you select > students/books/et), quick fix though. > > Just search the list for crossover office and Accelerated Reader... it > should show up. =) > > Henry Burroughs > Technology Director > Hilton Head Preparatory School From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Apr 6 13:57:35 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 08:57:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SME & k12ltsp 4.2.1 In-Reply-To: <67D2E330.1A65B891.0092C281@netscape.net> Message-ID: <001501c53ab0$96475700$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Configuration; > Cable modem -> SME 6.0 -> k12ltsp 4.2.1 server -> switch -> clients > > The SME server can connect to the outside & to the local lan, > clients get an ip address but can't connect outside > (internet.) The k12ltsp server can ping the SME server & the > clients but not to the internet. Any suggestion ??? Any chance there are conflicting networks? Say 192.168.1.x on both sides of LTSP server? At least it sounds like a problem at the server and not clients. How about the default route on the K12LTSP server, is it set to head toward the SME? Or the default route on the SME box, set to the internet interface? What happened before the problem? Did you upgrade your LTSP box (I think from prior posts the answer is yes)? Did you upgrade the SME server? If SME stayed the same I would think a problem with the LTSP server routes. I know my home LTSP server gave me major headaches with the switch from 3.1.2. I had to add the acpi=off in order to get to the internet on it. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From arendsj at skokie69.k12.il.us Wed Apr 6 16:14:49 2005 From: arendsj at skokie69.k12.il.us (John Arends) Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 11:14:49 -0500 Subject: [ok-mail] [K12OSN] weird squidguard problem Message-ID: I've never had to worry about sort order before. I don't think this is an issue. I think the -C switch will do what you want while running squid. It rebuilds the databases (If I remember right, I don't have access to the machine right now)> >>> John Hansknecht 04/06/05 6:09 AM >>> On Tuesday 05 April 2005 19:39, Ascension Tech wrote: > I can't for the life of me figure this one out. I'm trying to add > sites to be blocked. I've tried adding them to the local-block domain > and url files but they won't block. Other sites in the lists block, > just not the two that I've added. I've restarted the squidguard and > httpd services and the permissions are OK. What the heck am I doing > wrong? Hi Peter, OK, for what it is worth I can't find in comment on this on the squidguard site. But my memory is that the domain and url lists have to be in alphabetical order. I always sort the local-block lists after I add new records. sort -o Thanks, John The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. - Mattrol at uscom.com (Drakmere) _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From adammelancon at gmail.com Wed Apr 6 16:21:24 2005 From: adammelancon at gmail.com (Adam Melancon) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 11:21:24 -0500 Subject: [ok-mail] [K12OSN] weird squidguard problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48928761050406092112ad1e29@mail.gmail.com> I tweaked this script to only rebuild my custom allow/deny files, which makes things faster than running the updateblacklist script. You can tweak it to suit the names of the files you are using. [root at ltsp40 root]# cat rebuildallowdeny.sh #!/bin/bash #rebuild the custom databases /usr/sbin/squidGuard -c /etc/squid/squidGuard.conf -C local-denied.destdomainlist /usr/sbin/squidGuard -c /etc/squid/squidGuard.conf -C local-allowed.desturllist /usr/sbin/squidGuard -c /etc/squid/squidGuard.conf -C local-denied.desturllist /usr/sbin/squidGuard -c /etc/squid/squidGuard.conf -C local-allowed.destdomainlist #change permissions back to squid chown -R squid.squid /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ chown -R squid.squid /var/log/squidGuard/ sleep 5s #restart squid and squidguard /usr/bin/killall -HUP squid sleep 5s #show me the last 80 lines of the log to make sure it started correctly tail -n 80 /var/log/squidGuard/squidGuard.log [root at ltsp40 root]# Enjoy! -- Adam Melancon Work: http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us Personal: http://www.melancon.org From lewis at pcc.com Wed Apr 6 17:10:42 2005 From: lewis at pcc.com (Lewis Holcroft) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 13:10:42 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Upgrading firefox Message-ID: <1313e901552fc6dda86aadef42fe3a7f@pcc.com> A quick search of recent posts did not turn up the answer so I'm asking the group. I am using K12ltsp 4.0 a (I know I should update but that's been a problem too) I need to update firefox-0.9.3 to firefox-1.0.2 I have installed firefox-1.0.2 into /usr/lib/firefox-1.0.2 and if I launch firefox from there I am fine. I want to make /usr/bin/firefox launch the new firefox. If I update the directory variable in the /usr/bin/firefox file, firefox does not launch. I tried to link /usr/bin/firefox to /usr/lib/firefox-1.0.2/firefox and I get library errors. Has anyone done this and can they provide instructions. Thanks Lewis From mll at mtwp.net Wed Apr 6 18:19:07 2005 From: mll at mtwp.net (Mike Lichtenwalner) Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 14:19:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Off-site data replication Message-ID: <4254281B.8030507@mtwp.net> Hi List, We are searching for methods of replicating important data to an off-site (but still connected to the network via fiber) location. For example, our mailserver (qmail and Courier IMAP) is backed up daily, but if we had a hard disk failure just before a backup, we would lose 24 hours of data. What are some alternatives in replicating data in a relatively-live manner? A SAN is an option, but is something that extensive required? Would doing an rsync every 15 minutes bring the box to its knees? Thanks for any ideas! Mike _________________________________ Mike Lichtenwalner Technology Specialist Manheim Township School District Lancaster, PA From petre at maltzen.net Wed Apr 6 18:44:15 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 13:44:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Off-site data replication In-Reply-To: <4254281B.8030507@mtwp.net> References: <4254281B.8030507@mtwp.net> Message-ID: <42542DFF.8040805@maltzen.net> Depends on how much mail you have. Rsync would probably work well, since it sends only the changes (the initial synchronization may take a while), but if you've got thousands of users who send around lots of large files, it could be a problem. But I'm guessing that isn't the case. I'd try it, you've got nothing to lose. Petre Mike Lichtenwalner wrote: > Hi List, > > We are searching for methods of replicating important data to an > off-site (but still connected to the network via fiber) location. For > example, our mailserver (qmail and Courier IMAP) is backed up daily, but > if we had a hard disk failure just before a backup, we would lose 24 > hours of data. > > What are some alternatives in replicating data in a relatively-live > manner? A SAN is an option, but is something that extensive required? > Would doing an rsync every 15 minutes bring the box to its knees? > > Thanks for any ideas! > Mike > _________________________________ > Mike Lichtenwalner > Technology Specialist > Manheim Township School District > Lancaster, PA > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From julius at turtle.com Wed Apr 6 18:51:48 2005 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 14:51:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Off-site data replication In-Reply-To: <4254281B.8030507@mtwp.net> References: <4254281B.8030507@mtwp.net> Message-ID: <1252.216.216.171.3.1112813508.squirrel@216.216.171.3> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > > We are searching for methods of replicating important data to an > off-site (but still connected to the network via fiber) location. For > example, our mailserver (qmail and Courier IMAP) is backed up daily, but > if we had a hard disk failure just before a backup, we would lose 24 > hours of data. > > What are some alternatives in replicating data in a relatively-live > manner? A SAN is an option, but is something that extensive required? > Would doing an rsync every 15 minutes bring the box to its knees? > I am backing up 8GB of text data using rsync over a T1 link. It takes between 4 and 6 minutes. The time depends on the volume of data changed. My suggestion would be to rsync first to a disk on a separate machinne on local network, and then rsync from there. julius -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCVC/E2LhlZOaj6vURAkiHAJ9S2V30+4NjuSRLzhEj5UDqfId2GQCfZPfs sfUllagPeZ7PvjpMxiUBm/o= =zYk/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From les at futuresource.com Wed Apr 6 18:45:44 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 13:45:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Off-site data replication In-Reply-To: <4254281B.8030507@mtwp.net> References: <4254281B.8030507@mtwp.net> Message-ID: <1112813143.22159.37.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-04-06 at 13:19, Mike Lichtenwalner wrote: > What are some alternatives in replicating data in a relatively-live > manner? A SAN is an option, but is something that extensive required? > Would doing an rsync every 15 minutes bring the box to its knees? There is a lot of overhead in the directory-scan part of an rsync. If you can confine the frequent runs to smaller subdirectories at a time it will not have much impact. Since maildir type mailboxes can have a huge number of files, you might go so far as to script a loop over individual home directories to rsync one at a time. And since I haven't mentioned it for at least a week, I'll point out that backuppc (http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/) does a good job of normal backups and can run from a remote location if you have the bandwidth. I don't think I'd run it every 15 minutes, though. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us Wed Apr 6 18:16:58 2005 From: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us (Mark Sarria) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 11:16:58 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Problem adding User Message-ID: <200504061852.j36IqlmV006742@mx3.redhat.com> I am using SLES 9 and followed the steps from the SAMBA/LDAP how-to Samba V3 by David Trask. I have ldap working I ran variouse test like slapcat, ldapsearch and getent, and got good results. 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It seems to add it ok, but when I perform the test - id msaria, I get user no such user message, but when I perform a pdbedit I get: -------------------------------------------------------- Unix username: msarria NT username: msarria Account Flags: [U ] User SID: S-1-5-21-1219424691-3623068333-1588496526-3000 Primary Group SID: S-1-5-21-1219424691-3623068333-1588496526-513 Full Name: System User Home Directory: \\shsmain\home\msarria HomeDir Drive: L: Logon Script: msarria.cmd Profile Path: \\shsmain\home\profiles\msarria Domain: SHSEDU Account desc: System User Workstations: Munged dial: Logon time: 0 Logoff time: Mon, 18 Jan 2038 19:14:07 GMT Kickoff time: Mon, 18 Jan 2038 19:14:07 GMT Password last set: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 02:44:06 GMT Password can change: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 02:44:06 GMT Password must change: Mon, 18 Jan 2038 19:14:07 GMT Last bad password : 0 Bad password count : 0 Also get the same message from a windows xp machine when trying to add the machine to the domain with user ROOT -TIA -MARK -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It seems to add it ok, but when I perform the test - id msaria, I get user no such user message, but when I perform a pdbedit I get: -------------------------------------------------------- Unix username: msarria NT username: msarria Account Flags: [U ] User SID: S-1-5-21-1219424691-3623068333-1588496526-3000 Primary Group SID: S-1-5-21-1219424691-3623068333-1588496526-513 Full Name: System User Home Directory: \\shsmain\home\msarria HomeDir Drive: L: Logon Script: msarria.cmd Profile Path: \\shsmain\home\profiles\msarria Domain: SHSEDU Account desc: System User Workstations: Munged dial: Logon time: 0 Logoff time: Mon, 18 Jan 2038 19:14:07 GMT Kickoff time: Mon, 18 Jan 2038 19:14:07 GMT Password last set: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 02:44:06 GMT Password can change: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 02:44:06 GMT Password must change: Mon, 18 Jan 2038 19:14:07 GMT Last bad password : 0 Bad password count : 0 Also get the same message from a windows xp machine when trying to add the machine to the domain with user ROOT -TIA -MARK -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Apr 6 18:58:15 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 11:58:15 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Off-site data replication In-Reply-To: <1112813143.22159.37.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <4254281B.8030507@mtwp.net> <1112813143.22159.37.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <42543147.1090606@paasda.org> Lunch time hours are usually good for this sort of thing..and all off-line hours...and utilizing the BackupPC that Les plugs, is a lovely little application that just plain rocks for doing this sort of thing. --Huck Les Mikesell wrote: > On Wed, 2005-04-06 at 13:19, Mike Lichtenwalner wrote: > > >>What are some alternatives in replicating data in a relatively-live >>manner? A SAN is an option, but is something that extensive required? >>Would doing an rsync every 15 minutes bring the box to its knees? > > > There is a lot of overhead in the directory-scan part of an rsync. If > you can confine the frequent runs to smaller subdirectories at a time > it will not have much impact. Since maildir type mailboxes can have > a huge number of files, you might go so far as to script a loop over > individual home directories to rsync one at a time. > > And since I haven't mentioned it for at least a week, I'll point out > that backuppc (http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/) does a good job of > normal backups and can run from a remote location if you have the > bandwidth. I don't think I'd run it every 15 minutes, though. > From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Wed Apr 6 19:41:37 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 14:41:37 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] NAT Message-ID: When trying to start NAT (service nat restart) it tosses an error: Starting up Network Address Translation: FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.9-1.681_FC3smp/modules.dep: No such file or directory What has happened. . . Fedora Core K12LTSP but unsure of the version. . .4.1 perhaps? It was working until I started trying to get squid working. Squid is giving: Starting squid: /etc/init.d/squid: line 53: 30175 Aborted $SQUID $SQUID_OPTS >>/var/log/squid/squid.out 2>&1 [FAILED] so I uninstalled it and tried re-installing it. Now, squid still don't work and now nat don't either. Any ideas? Is there a package I can install that will fix this? Thanks! Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! From ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Wed Apr 6 21:00:09 2005 From: ltsp at symbio-technologies.com (Gideon Romm) Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 17:00:09 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] dhcpd.conf overwritten Message-ID: <1112821209.15948.40.camel@lts01.nr.symbio.com> Hello, all. 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URL: From cbutler at shoreschool.org Wed Apr 6 21:45:59 2005 From: cbutler at shoreschool.org (Christopher Butler) Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 17:45:59 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] iMacs on LTSP - problems Message-ID: The good news is that I finally got an iMac to boot from my LTSP server. It's an old Bondi (I'm still having trouble with one of the middle-age lime green DV models - it boots just fine, but I can't get it to go graphical - startx either craps out or just goes to a blank screen forever (I've waited hours)). Now comes the bad news - keyboard and mouse issues: 1 - I keep getting the XKB errors when I log in (we use IceWM). Actually on the first login (and on the first login after running the reset-default-desktop tool) I get about 8 of the XKB error messages all over the screen, but subsequent logins only produce one. What should I be setting for the keyboard options in the lts.conf file to correct this? 2 - single-button mouse. What key/mouse combination do I use to get right-click behaviour from a single-button mouse? Christopher Butler Director of Technology Shore Country Day School Beverly, MA 01915 cbutler at shoreschool.org From robark at gmail.com Thu Apr 7 00:27:44 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 17:27:44 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Upgrading firefox In-Reply-To: <1313e901552fc6dda86aadef42fe3a7f@pcc.com> References: <1313e901552fc6dda86aadef42fe3a7f@pcc.com> Message-ID: On Apr 6, 2005 10:10 AM, Lewis Holcroft wrote: > I want to make /usr/bin/firefox launch the new firefox. If I update the > directory variable in the /usr/bin/firefox file, firefox does not > launch. I tried to link /usr/bin/firefox to > /usr/lib/firefox-1.0.2/firefox and I get library errors. > You could do it like this. Copy /usr/bin/firefox as /usr/bin/firefox-original cp /usr/bin/firefox /usr/bin/firefox-original Then make a tiny bash script ====== #!/bin/bash /usr/lib/firefox-1.0.2/firefox ====== Save it as /usr/bin/firefox then make it executable chmod 755 /usr/bin/firefox It's dirty but it should work. Personally I use icewm and just change the menu item or icon to point to the version of Firefox I want. BTW don't forget to create the links in your 1.02 firefox plugins dir for flash and java -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Thu Apr 7 00:44:35 2005 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 17:44:35 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Upgrading firefox In-Reply-To: <1313e901552fc6dda86aadef42fe3a7f@pcc.com> References: <1313e901552fc6dda86aadef42fe3a7f@pcc.com> Message-ID: <1112834675.12640.6.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> On Wed, 2005-04-06 at 13:10 -0400, Lewis Holcroft wrote: > A quick search of recent posts did not turn up the answer so I'm asking > the group. > > I am using K12ltsp 4.0 a (I know I should update but that's been a > problem too) I need to update firefox-0.9.3 to firefox-1.0.2 If you have your heart set on it, I'd try grabing the RPM from a newer version and upgrade the existing one, in place: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/3/i386/firefox-1.0.2-1.3.1.i386.rpm -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From brr at brr.no Thu Apr 7 04:45:02 2005 From: brr at brr.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= Roger Rasmussen) Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 06:45:02 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] dhcpd.conf overwritten In-Reply-To: <1112821209.15948.40.camel@lts01.nr.symbio.com> References: <1112821209.15948.40.camel@lts01.nr.symbio.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050407064017.039a82c8@pop.domeneshop.no> At 23:00 06.04.2005, Gideon Romm wrote: >Hello, all. I have received some reports from folks operating K12LTSP who >have performed a yum update, that the dhcpd.conf file is overwritten by >the new K12 RPMs. If this happens on a production server with the SMS or >SWM, you should be able to recover your old file from >/etc/dhcpd.conf.symbiont.save.0 (which would be the last most recent one >since its been changed). I got that problem! A new /etc/dhcpd.conf - file without all my configurations. But I found the old dhcpd.conf files saved as /etc/dhcpd.conf.rpmsave (I think it was that name) and could copy information from that to the running config file. The way I noticed the problem was that noone of the old computers with old mouse (seriell) or S 3 graphics card got problems during the boot. Bjorn Roger Rasmussen *** Bj?rn Roger Rasmussen (http://www.brr.no/) From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Thu Apr 7 06:26:59 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 23:26:59 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Resources for promoting K12LTSP to schools... Message-ID: I've tried to compile a list of resources that would be helpful in discussing some of the issues that are a part of the "mindset" of moving to Linux thin client for a school. I hope the collection is helpful. It's at http://www.technologyrescue.com/moreinformation.html. Any suggestions of articles or resources most welcomed. Here's what I have tried to cover: What thin client is What ltsp and k12ltsp are, and links to those sites Links to case studies of ltsp and k12ltsp installations What Linux is, and an essay on viruses and Linux What Open Source is Essays on using Open Source in schools and the cost savings Reviews of OpenOffice Essays on appropriate roles for technology in schools Information on "Total Cost of Ownership" for comptuers and how to calculate Resources for teachers Information on the environmental impact of computers and the value of re-use Information on recycling computers Steve -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct From ascensiontech at gmail.com Thu Apr 7 08:10:26 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Ascension Tech) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 04:10:26 -0400 Subject: [ok-mail] [K12OSN] weird squidguard problem In-Reply-To: <48928761050406092112ad1e29@mail.gmail.com> References: <48928761050406092112ad1e29@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bd31756050407011076747e18@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Adam, I came up the same solution. And thanks so much for the Vermillion Squidguard site. I never would have got it working otherwise. You rock! Peter On Apr 6, 2005 12:21 PM, Adam Melancon wrote: > I tweaked this script to only rebuild my custom allow/deny files, > which makes things faster than running the updateblacklist script. > > You can tweak it to suit the names of the files you are using. > > [root at ltsp40 root]# cat rebuildallowdeny.sh > #!/bin/bash > > #rebuild the custom databases > /usr/sbin/squidGuard -c /etc/squid/squidGuard.conf -C > local-denied.destdomainlist > /usr/sbin/squidGuard -c /etc/squid/squidGuard.conf -C local-allowed.desturllist > /usr/sbin/squidGuard -c /etc/squid/squidGuard.conf -C local-denied.desturllist > /usr/sbin/squidGuard -c /etc/squid/squidGuard.conf -C > local-allowed.destdomainlist > > #change permissions back to squid > chown -R squid.squid /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ > chown -R squid.squid /var/log/squidGuard/ > > sleep 5s > > #restart squid and squidguard > /usr/bin/killall -HUP squid > sleep 5s > > #show me the last 80 lines of the log to make sure it started correctly > tail -n 80 /var/log/squidGuard/squidGuard.log > > [root at ltsp40 root]# > > Enjoy! > > -- > Adam Melancon > Work: http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us > Personal: http://www.melancon.org > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Apr 7 10:48:19 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 10:48:19 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] iMacs on LTSP - problems Message-ID: <200504070942.j379gP101242@downeast.net> want to post your lts.conf..chances are you need to either change the xserver or add the glx module...chuck > The good news is that I finally got an iMac to boot from my LTSP server. > It's an old Bondi (I'm still having trouble with one of the middle-age > lime green DV models - it boots just fine, but I can't get it to go > graphical - startx either craps out or just goes to a blank screen forever > (I've waited hours)). > > Now comes the bad news - keyboard and mouse issues: > 1 - I keep getting the XKB errors when I log in (we use IceWM). Actually > on the first login (and on the first login after running the > reset-default-desktop tool) I get about 8 of the XKB error messages all > over the screen, but subsequent logins only produce one. What should I be > setting for the keyboard options in the lts.conf file to correct this? > 2 - single-button mouse. What key/mouse combination do I use to get > right-click behaviour from a single-button mouse? > > > > Christopher Butler > Director of Technology > Shore Country Day School > Beverly, MA 01915 > cbutler at shoreschool.org > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From cbutler at shoreschool.org Thu Apr 7 12:22:55 2005 From: cbutler at shoreschool.org (Christopher Butler) Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 08:22:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] iMacs on LTSP - problems In-Reply-To: <200504070942.j379gP101242@downeast.net> References: <200504070942.j379gP101242@downeast.net> Message-ID: Doh! I had not yet tried GLX. That did it! But, I still have my keyboard and mouse issues... Christopher Butler Director of Technology Shore Country Day School Beverly, MA 01915 cbutler at shoreschool.org "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, April 7, 2005 at 5:48 AM -0500 wrote: >want to post your lts.conf..chances are you need to either change the >xserver or add the glx module...chuck > From lewis at pcc.com Thu Apr 7 12:29:35 2005 From: lewis at pcc.com (Lewis Holcroft) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 08:29:35 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] iMacs on LTSP - problems In-Reply-To: References: <200504070942.j379gP101242@downeast.net> Message-ID: <9aa519afa7361c883095604ac8b3361e@pcc.com> I use a mac as my primary computer every day. When working with X11 based sessions I use either [shift]+mouse or [ctrl]+mouse to emulate the right click. I a very few instances I use [shift]+[ctrl]+mouse. Hope that helps Lewis On Apr 7, 2005, at 8:22 AM, Christopher Butler wrote: > Doh! > > I had not yet tried GLX. That did it! > > But, I still have my keyboard and mouse issues... > > Christopher Butler > Director of Technology > Shore Country Day School > Beverly, MA 01915 > cbutler at shoreschool.org > > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." > on > Thursday, April 7, 2005 at 5:48 AM -0500 wrote: >> want to post your lts.conf..chances are you need to either change the >> xserver or add the glx module...chuck >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From lewis at pcc.com Thu Apr 7 12:43:59 2005 From: lewis at pcc.com (Lewis Holcroft) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 08:43:59 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Upgrading firefox In-Reply-To: References: <1313e901552fc6dda86aadef42fe3a7f@pcc.com> Message-ID: <66a4b8c0ae93c1e8fea10865974bc6df@pcc.com> Robert, Thanks this seams to have done it. I was trying to update the existing script and that was not working. I'll see if the users have any problems. Thanks again Lewis On Apr 6, 2005, at 8:27 PM, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On Apr 6, 2005 10:10 AM, Lewis Holcroft wrote: >> I want to make /usr/bin/firefox launch the new firefox. If I update >> the >> directory variable in the /usr/bin/firefox file, firefox does not >> launch. I tried to link /usr/bin/firefox to >> /usr/lib/firefox-1.0.2/firefox and I get library errors. >> > > You could do it like this. > Copy /usr/bin/firefox as /usr/bin/firefox-original > cp /usr/bin/firefox /usr/bin/firefox-original > Then make a tiny bash script > > ====== > #!/bin/bash > /usr/lib/firefox-1.0.2/firefox > > ====== > > Save it as /usr/bin/firefox then make it executable > > chmod 755 /usr/bin/firefox > > It's dirty but it should work. Personally I use icewm and just change > the menu item or icon to point to the version of Firefox I want. > > BTW don't forget to create the links in your 1.02 firefox plugins dir > for flash and java > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From tom at pcc.com Thu Apr 7 13:18:54 2005 From: tom at pcc.com (Thomas Astle) Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 09:18:54 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Upgrading firefox In-Reply-To: <66a4b8c0ae93c1e8fea10865974bc6df@pcc.com> References: <1313e901552fc6dda86aadef42fe3a7f@pcc.com> <66a4b8c0ae93c1e8fea10865974bc6df@pcc.com> Message-ID: <4255333E.9050702@pcc.com> Will this work similarly if firefox is not installed at all? Lewis Holcroft wrote: > Robert, > > Thanks this seams to have done it. I was trying to update the existing > script and that was not working. I'll see if the users have any problems. > > Thanks again > > Lewis > > On Apr 6, 2005, at 8:27 PM, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > >> On Apr 6, 2005 10:10 AM, Lewis Holcroft wrote: >> >>> I want to make /usr/bin/firefox launch the new firefox. If I update the >>> directory variable in the /usr/bin/firefox file, firefox does not >>> launch. I tried to link /usr/bin/firefox to >>> /usr/lib/firefox-1.0.2/firefox and I get library errors. >>> >> >> You could do it like this. >> Copy /usr/bin/firefox as /usr/bin/firefox-original >> cp /usr/bin/firefox /usr/bin/firefox-original >> Then make a tiny bash script >> >> ====== >> #!/bin/bash >> /usr/lib/firefox-1.0.2/firefox >> >> ====== >> >> Save it as /usr/bin/firefox then make it executable >> >> chmod 755 /usr/bin/firefox >> >> It's dirty but it should work. Personally I use icewm and just change >> the menu item or icon to point to the version of Firefox I want. >> >> BTW don't forget to create the links in your 1.02 firefox plugins dir >> for flash and java >> >> -- >> Robert Arkiletian >> C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Apr 7 13:34:42 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 08:34:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] iMacs on LTSP - problems In-Reply-To: <9aa519afa7361c883095604ac8b3361e@pcc.com> Message-ID: <000601c53b76$8dd121c0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > I use a mac as my primary computer every day. > > When working with X11 based sessions I use either [shift]+mouse or > [ctrl]+mouse to emulate the right click. I a very few instances I use > [shift]+[ctrl]+mouse. Those tricks don't seem to actually work on a iMac in a terminal setup. I tried. However a standard USB 2 button mouse hooked up without making any changes to lts.conf seemed to work fine. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Apr 7 13:36:38 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 08:36:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] iMacs on LTSP - problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000701c53b76$d30d2180$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Now comes the bad news - keyboard and mouse issues: > 1 - I keep getting the XKB errors when I log in (we use > IceWM). Actually on the first login (and on the first login > after running the reset-default-desktop tool) I get about 8 > of the XKB error messages all over the screen, but subsequent > logins only produce one. What should I be setting for the > keyboard options in the lts.conf file to correct this? 2 - > single-button mouse. What key/mouse combination do I use to > get right-click behaviour from a single-button mouse? Here is the lts.conf I have that boots iMac Bondi's perfectly. I haven't tried IceWM yet. [Default] SERVER = 10.6.1.126 XSERVER = auto X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "auto" X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/input/mice" X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION = 400 X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 3 USE_XFS = N SCREEN_01 = startx -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From adow at cameron.k12.mo.us Thu Apr 7 14:49:16 2005 From: adow at cameron.k12.mo.us (Al Dow) Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 09:49:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Floppy access Message-ID: <4255486C.1000703@cameron.k12.mo.us> How does one get floppy drive access a the terminal. It tells me that it need to be mounted by root, which of course I'm not going to let students do. Al Dow Cameron School District Cameron, MO 64429 From cbutler at shoreschool.org Thu Apr 7 14:59:09 2005 From: cbutler at shoreschool.org (Christopher Butler) Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 10:59:09 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] iMacs on LTSP - problems In-Reply-To: <000701c53b76$d30d2180$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000701c53b76$d30d2180$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: So, how do you right-click with the Mac single button mouse? Christopher "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, April 07, 2005 at 8:36 AM -0500 wrote: >> Now comes the bad news - keyboard and mouse issues: >> 1 - I keep getting the XKB errors when I log in (we use >> IceWM). Actually on the first login (and on the first login >> after running the reset-default-desktop tool) I get about 8 >> of the XKB error messages all over the screen, but subsequent >> logins only produce one. What should I be setting for the >> keyboard options in the lts.conf file to correct this? 2 - >> single-button mouse. What key/mouse combination do I use to >> get right-click behaviour from a single-button mouse? > >Here is the lts.conf I have that boots iMac Bondi's perfectly. I >haven't tried IceWM yet. > >[Default] > SERVER = 10.6.1.126 > XSERVER = auto > X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "auto" > X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/input/mice" > X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION = 400 > X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 3 > USE_XFS = N > SCREEN_01 = startx > > >-- >This message has been scanned for viruses and >dangerous content by the Cotter Technology >Department, and is believed to be clean. > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see From tom at pcc.com Thu Apr 7 15:04:41 2005 From: tom at pcc.com (Thomas Astle) Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 11:04:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] iMacs on LTSP - problems In-Reply-To: References: <000701c53b76$d30d2180$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <42554C09.1090604@pcc.com> Christopher Butler wrote: >So, how do you right-click with the Mac single button mouse? > >Christopher > >"Support list for opensource software in schools." on >Thursday, April 07, 2005 at 8:36 AM -0500 wrote: > > >>>Now comes the bad news - keyboard and mouse issues: >>>1 - I keep getting the XKB errors when I log in (we use >>>IceWM). Actually on the first login (and on the first login >>>after running the reset-default-desktop tool) I get about 8 >>>of the XKB error messages all over the screen, but subsequent >>>logins only produce one. What should I be setting for the >>>keyboard options in the lts.conf file to correct this? 2 - >>>single-button mouse. What key/mouse combination do I use to >>>get right-click behaviour from a single-button mouse? >>> >>> >>Here is the lts.conf I have that boots iMac Bondi's perfectly. I >>haven't tried IceWM yet. >> >>[Default] >> SERVER = 10.6.1.126 >> XSERVER = auto >> X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "auto" >> X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/input/mice" >> X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION = 400 >> X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 3 >> USE_XFS = N >> SCREEN_01 = startx >> >> >>-- >>This message has been scanned for viruses and >>dangerous content by the Cotter Technology >>Department, and is believed to be clean. >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > ctrl click From gumprechtm at msln.net Thu Apr 7 15:09:13 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 11:09:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Floppy access In-Reply-To: <4255486C.1000703@cameron.k12.mo.us> References: <4255486C.1000703@cameron.k12.mo.us> Message-ID: <42554D19.6080704@msln.net> You can enable the floppy in the lts.conf file by adding RCFILE_01 = floppyd Mark Al Dow wrote: > How does one get floppy drive access a the terminal. It tells me that > it need to be mounted by root, which of course I'm not going to let > students do. > > Al Dow > Cameron School District > Cameron, MO 64429 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Apr 7 15:14:35 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 10:14:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] iMacs on LTSP - problems In-Reply-To: <42554C09.1090604@pcc.com> Message-ID: <001301c53b84$823b1880$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > ctrl click I know that works in a standard mac environment, but doesn't seem to work with the default settings included in /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc/lts.conf. If you know what to add to allow this behavior in terminal mode please let me know. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From cbutler at shoreschool.org Thu Apr 7 15:57:10 2005 From: cbutler at shoreschool.org (Christopher Butler) Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 11:57:10 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] iMacs on LTSP - problems In-Reply-To: <001301c53b84$823b1880$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001301c53b84$823b1880$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, April 07, 2005 at 10:14 AM -0500 wrote: >> ctrl click > >I know that works in a standard mac environment, but doesn't seem to >work with the default settings included in /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc/lts.conf. >If you know what to add to allow this behavior in terminal mode please >let me know. > Exactly. And I don't know enough about X to know what do with with the X_MOUSE and X_KEYBOARD settings to get it to work. Thanks, Christopher From tom at pcc.com Thu Apr 7 16:14:08 2005 From: tom at pcc.com (Thomas Astle) Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 12:14:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] iMacs on LTSP - problems In-Reply-To: References: <001301c53b84$823b1880$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <42555C50.8050701@pcc.com> you might want to look at documentation from the yellow dog linux distro, I remember there being some kind of xmodmap command for the Xfree86 config file Christopher Butler wrote: >"Support list for opensource software in schools." on >Thursday, April 07, 2005 at 10:14 AM -0500 wrote: > > >>>ctrl click >>> >>> >>I know that works in a standard mac environment, but doesn't seem to >>work with the default settings included in /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc/lts.conf. >>If you know what to add to allow this behavior in terminal mode please >>let me know. >> >> >> >Exactly. And I don't know enough about X to know what do with with the >X_MOUSE and X_KEYBOARD settings to get it to work. > >Thanks, >Christopher > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From robark at gmail.com Thu Apr 7 16:49:12 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 09:49:12 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Upgrading firefox In-Reply-To: <4255333E.9050702@pcc.com> References: <1313e901552fc6dda86aadef42fe3a7f@pcc.com> <66a4b8c0ae93c1e8fea10865974bc6df@pcc.com> <4255333E.9050702@pcc.com> Message-ID: On Apr 7, 2005 6:18 AM, Thomas Astle wrote: > Will this work similarly if firefox is not installed at all? > No. The tiny script just redirects to the binary executable of your choice. Almost like a link. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From lewis at pcc.com Thu Apr 7 16:57:51 2005 From: lewis at pcc.com (Lewis Holcroft) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 12:57:51 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Upgrading firefox In-Reply-To: References: <1313e901552fc6dda86aadef42fe3a7f@pcc.com> <66a4b8c0ae93c1e8fea10865974bc6df@pcc.com> <4255333E.9050702@pcc.com> Message-ID: Just a follow up. Tom Astle was good enough to build an RPM from source and this appears to have solved the problem on the FC1 servers I am running. On the FC2 mainchine I'm running I installed the tar ball into /usr/lib/firefox-1.0.2 and followed Roberts advice and created a simple shell script. I still have to link the plugins, but it's been such a long time since I had to so that I have to dig up some old notes. Thanks again Lewis On Apr 7, 2005, at 12:49 PM, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On Apr 7, 2005 6:18 AM, Thomas Astle wrote: >> Will this work similarly if firefox is not installed at all? >> > > No. The tiny script just redirects to the binary executable of your > choice. Almost like a link. > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From robark at gmail.com Thu Apr 7 17:26:11 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 10:26:11 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Upgrading firefox In-Reply-To: References: <1313e901552fc6dda86aadef42fe3a7f@pcc.com> <66a4b8c0ae93c1e8fea10865974bc6df@pcc.com> <4255333E.9050702@pcc.com> Message-ID: On Apr 7, 2005 9:57 AM, Lewis Holcroft wrote: > > On the FC2 mainchine I'm running I installed the tar ball into > /usr/lib/firefox-1.0.2 and followed Roberts advice and created a simple > shell script. Just a caveat, if you redirect with a tiny script you will end up with 2 firefox processess for each instance. Kind of messy when you are watching processes under 'top' (that's why it's a dirty solution). > > I still have to link the plugins, but it's been such a long time since > I had to so that I have to dig up some old notes. > download the flash plugin from here http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/linux.html#Flash untar it tar -xvzf install_flash_player_7_linux.tar.gz then just copy libflashplayer.so to the plugins dir in your firefox installation and flashplayer.xpt to your firefox components directory then (assuming you have installed java) make the following link libjavaplugin_oji.so -> /usr/java/j2re1.4.2_06/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so by typing the following all on one line in the plugins dir ln -s /usr/java/j2re1.4.2_06/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so libjavaplugin_oji.so Also, if you have a proxy server do the following. As root edit firefox/defaults/pref/firefox.js find the network section and add the following 3 lines pref("network.proxy.type", 1); pref("network.proxy.http", "your_proxy_address"); pref("network.proxy.http_port", 8080); Most http ports are set to 8080 but ensure it's correct for you. this way you don't have to set the proxy if you add any new users. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Thu Apr 7 17:54:59 2005 From: ltsp at symbio-technologies.com (Gideon Romm) Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 13:54:59 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] dhcpd.conf overwritten In-Reply-To: <1112821209.15948.40.camel@lts01.nr.symbio.com> References: <1112821209.15948.40.camel@lts01.nr.symbio.com> Message-ID: <1112896499.26741.31.camel@lts01.nr.symbio.com> Just a followup: Seems the lts.conf file *may* be overwritten as well as a result of this update. So, if you are running SMS or SWM please restore this file from /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf.symbiont.save.0 when you restore the dhcpd.conf. -Gadi On Wed, 2005-04-06 at 17:00, Gideon Romm wrote: > Hello, all. I have received some reports from folks operating K12LTSP > who have performed a yum update, that the dhcpd.conf file is > overwritten by the new K12 RPMs. If this happens on a production > server with the SMS or SWM, you should be able to recover your old > file from /etc/dhcpd.conf.symbiont.save.0 (which would be the last > most recent one since its been changed). > > Eric, I dunno if others will have this problem, but I believe there is > a noreplace option to the config module in the rpm spec file that can > be placed to avoid overwriting existing config files... > > HTH, > > -Gadi > -- > -------------------------------------------------------- > Gideon Romm | Product R&D gideon at symbio-technologies.com > > Symbio Technologies o:(914) 576-1205 > 134 North Ave, Suites E&F f:(914) 576-0944 > New Rochelle, NY 10801 c:(914) 774-4691 > > www.symbio-technologies.com > www.thesymbiont.com > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- -------------------------------------------------------- Gideon Romm | Product R&D gideon at symbio-technologies.com Symbio Technologies o:(914) 576-1205 134 North Ave, Suites E&F f:(914) 576-0944 New Rochelle, NY 10801 c:(914) 774-4691 www.symbio-technologies.com www.thesymbiont.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Apr 7 18:35:02 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 13:35:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] (no subject) Message-ID: <006901c53ba0$828975e0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> I remember seeing someone out here saying that VideoLAN is awesome for playing digital media. I tried to install it via rpm and of course am missing loads of dependancies. Anyone know the quickest way to get this installed? I am running K12LTSP 4.2.1 and don't exactly have the new yum configuration figured out. From what it looks like if I add freshmeat to yum it should install fine. But I haven't seen a good recommendation on how to add them to the new verion of yum. Thanks Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From caldodge at fpcc.net Thu Apr 7 19:32:51 2005 From: caldodge at fpcc.net (Calvin Dodge) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 13:32:51 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <006901c53ba0$828975e0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <006901c53ba0$828975e0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20050407193251.GA24678@fpcc.net> On Thu, Apr 07, 2005 at 01:35:02PM -0500, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I remember seeing someone out here saying that VideoLAN is awesome for > playing digital media. I tried to install it via rpm and of course am > missing loads of dependancies. > > Anyone know the quickest way to get this installed? I am running > K12LTSP 4.2.1 and don't exactly have the new yum configuration figured > out. From what it looks like if I add freshmeat to yum it should > install fine. But I haven't seen a good recommendation on how to add > them to the new verion of yum. I installed it by incorporating the "dag" repository, then doing "yum -y install videolan-client". Here's my /etc/yum.repos.d/dag.repo [dag] name=Dag APT Repository baseurl=http://dag.freshrpms.net/fedora/$releasever/en/$basearch/dag/ http://dag.atrpms.net/fedora/$releasever/en/$basearch/dag/ http://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/freshrpms/pub/dag/fedora/$releasever/en/$basearch/dag/ enabled=0 #gpgcheck=1 DAG says that if there conflicts between his files and other repositories, that the blame is with other repositories. But - to make my life easier - I just "--enablerepo=dag" only when I want to install/upgrade videolan-client. Calvin -- Calvin Dodge Certified Linux Bigot (tm) http://www.caldodge.fpcc.net From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Apr 7 19:34:14 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 14:34:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <20050407193251.GA24678@fpcc.net> Message-ID: <006a01c53ba8$c8182fe0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > But - to make my life easier - I just "--enablerepo=dag" only when I want to install/upgrade videolan-client. Thanks! That seems to be working. I just did #yum --enablerepo=dag -y install videolan-client And it seems to be chugging along. I'll post back out if I have any questions after installation. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Apr 7 19:50:16 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 14:50:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] VideoLAN Client Message-ID: <006b01c53bab$051006f0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Well thanks to Calvin I now have the videolan-client installed. But it crashes after just about everything. I can't even change skins without it crashing. Any ideas? Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Apr 7 20:13:37 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 15:13:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] VideoLAN Client In-Reply-To: <006b01c53bab$051006f0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <006c01c53bae$4883c270$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Well thanks to Calvin I now have the videolan-client > installed. But it crashes after just about everything. I > can't even change skins without it crashing. > > Any ideas? Well after some googling I found that some others had problems with dags repo for fc3 and videolan and recommended freshrpms instead. So I added the following to freshrpms.repo [freshrpms] name=Fedora Linux $releasever - $basearch - freshrpms baseurl=http://ayo.freshrpms.net/fedora/linux/$releasever/$basearch/fres hrpms gpgcheck=0 Then removed the old package from dag and installed with --enablerepo=freshrpms and now things seem to work fine. Thanks for you help Calvin. But if you aren't running the latest with FC3 yet you may need to change your yum to avoid the same problems. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From caldodge at fpcc.net Thu Apr 7 20:31:26 2005 From: caldodge at fpcc.net (Calvin Dodge) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 14:31:26 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] VideoLAN Client In-Reply-To: <006b01c53bab$051006f0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <006b01c53bab$051006f0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20050407203126.GA25867@fpcc.net> On Thu, Apr 07, 2005 at 02:50:16PM -0500, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Well thanks to Calvin I now have the videolan-client installed. But it > crashes after just about everything. I can't even change skins without > it crashing. In the words of the immortal Bart Simpson: "I didn't do it" Hmmm ... have you tried running it from the command line with strace? As in "strace -o vlc.txt vlc". Then you could look at the end of "vlc.txt", to see what library was being used when the crash occurred. One other option is to try someone else's compilation - and maybe an earlier version, like 0.6 or 0.7. I have rpm sets for both those versions (around 10-11 megs for full set of rpms). I can arrange some way for you to receive them, to try at your own risk^H^H^H^Hpleasure. Calvin -- Calvin Dodge Certified Linux Bigot (tm) http://www.caldodge.fpcc.net From adow at cameron.k12.mo.us Thu Apr 7 20:58:38 2005 From: adow at cameron.k12.mo.us (Al Dow) Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 15:58:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Floppy access In-Reply-To: <42554D19.6080704@msln.net> References: <4255486C.1000703@cameron.k12.mo.us> <42554D19.6080704@msln.net> Message-ID: <42559EFE.5000700@cameron.k12.mo.us> OK I've done that. It still dosen't work. Do I need to restart the server? Mark Gumprecht wrote: > You can enable the floppy in the lts.conf file by adding > RCFILE_01 = floppyd > Mark > > Al Dow wrote: > >> How does one get floppy drive access a the terminal. It tells me >> that it need to be mounted by root, which of course I'm not going to >> let students do. >> >> Al Dow >> Cameron School District >> Cameron, MO 64429 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > From mll at mtwp.net Thu Apr 7 20:17:15 2005 From: mll at mtwp.net (Mike Lichtenwalner) Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 16:17:15 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Off-site data replication In-Reply-To: <1112813143.22159.37.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <4254281B.8030507@mtwp.net> <1112813143.22159.37.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <4255954B.3030009@mtwp.net> Les Mikesell wrote: > On Wed, 2005-04-06 at 13:19, Mike Lichtenwalner wrote: > > >>What are some alternatives in replicating data in a relatively-live >>manner? A SAN is an option, but is something that extensive required? >>Would doing an rsync every 15 minutes bring the box to its knees? > > > There is a lot of overhead in the directory-scan part of an rsync. If > you can confine the frequent runs to smaller subdirectories at a time > it will not have much impact. Since maildir type mailboxes can have > a huge number of files, you might go so far as to script a loop over > individual home directories to rsync one at a time. Thanks to those of you who suggested rsync - I'll give it a try. I think I will NFS mount the volumes I want to rsync from another box, and then run the rsync between the NFS mounted volume and a local volume. I'm hoping that will cut the load on the original server. Thanks, again! Mike From jon.spriggs at gmail.com Thu Apr 7 20:35:02 2005 From: jon.spriggs at gmail.com (Jon Spriggs) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 21:35:02 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Seeking advice and help combining K12LTSP, OpenMosix and ThinStation to create one large project Message-ID: <96df2e0b050407133527343bc7@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, Over the past year or so, I've been very interested in the Thinstation and K12LTSP projects, and in the last couple of weeks, the OpenMosix project has interested me even further... I know that there were HowTo: documents for incorporating OpenMosix into K12LTSP version 3.x, but I know that K12LTSP is now on version 4.2 - will this make a big difference? I've noticed that OpenMosix works with the 2.4.26 kernel, but K12LTSP is based on Fedora Core 3 - which uses a 2.6 based kernel. I'm not a kernel hacker (infact, I've only ever had one successful kernel-build), so I don't really know how much difference there is between a 2.4 kernel and a 2.6 kernel. Would there be much to gain (or lose?) from regressing the K12LTSP 2.6 based kernel to a 2.4 kernel? I know that for OpenMosix to work correctly, it needs the same kernel version between all kernels on the cluster - therefore, I presume I'd need to build the same kernel for the Thinstation project (so chosen because I may be using both Windows and Linux terminal servers on my estate). Is it particularly difficult to build a kernel with OpenMosix in for Thinstation? Would it be worth approaching the Thinstation developer team about building an OpenMosix based package? Maybe even asking them to include the OpenMosix packages into the Kernels they distribute. Essentially, what I'm not looking to do here is build a new project from scratch - I'm far too disorganised and lose my focus a little too quickly for that, but what I'd like to do is organise three mutually compatible projects into one core product which can be used to help the educational world teach and learn, and to help the business world work smarter with the increased drive towards server based computing. I know this work is already done as individual projects, and K12LTSP already does some of the work that Thinstation does, but Thinstation allows you to have a local filesystem, without being overly dependent on DHCP and TFTP servers. Maybe I'm being a little overly ambitious, but I think this could be a really great project. I'd welcome any comments, positive or negative - especially from anyone who may have done any work along the same lines, or who can suggest alternative projects which may also fall well into the same tree? -- Jon "The Nice Guy" Spriggs From ckjohnson at gwi.net Thu Apr 7 21:46:09 2005 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 17:46:09 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Off-site data replication In-Reply-To: <4255954B.3030009@mtwp.net> References: <4254281B.8030507@mtwp.net> <1112813143.22159.37.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <4255954B.3030009@mtwp.net> Message-ID: <4255AA21.6040002@gwi.net> Mike Lichtenwalner wrote: > Les Mikesell wrote: > >> On Wed, 2005-04-06 at 13:19, Mike Lichtenwalner wrote: >> >> >>> What are some alternatives in replicating data in a relatively-live >>> manner? A SAN is an option, but is something that extensive >>> required? Would doing an rsync every 15 minutes bring the box to its >>> knees? >> >> >> >> There is a lot of overhead in the directory-scan part of an rsync. If >> you can confine the frequent runs to smaller subdirectories at a time >> it will not have much impact. Since maildir type mailboxes can have >> a huge number of files, you might go so far as to script a loop over >> individual home directories to rsync one at a time. > > > Thanks to those of you who suggested rsync - I'll give it a try. I > think I will NFS mount the volumes I want to rsync from another box, > and then run the rsync between the NFS mounted volume and a local > volume. I'm hoping that will cut the load on the original server. I'm not sure what topology you meant by your description. There are a lot of factors, including cpu speed and loading, disk I/O speed, and network bandwidth affecting rsync performance. If you are truly looking for off-site data replication then be sure not to mount NFS across the wide-area network. You want only rsync communications over any slow network. You might want to employ ssh with rsync to secure your site-to-site communications - explore the "-e ssh" rsync option. If you do so then chances are you will also want to use public/private key based authentication for the ssh login to work from a cron job. It could look like this: [ busy server ] [ local backup proxy ] [ offsite backup server ] [ running nfsd ] -- nfs -- [cron job runs rsync cmd] -- rsync via ssh -- [ running sshd ] Chris -- "Spend less! Do more! Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021 From arendsj at skokie69.k12.il.us Thu Apr 7 21:57:04 2005 From: arendsj at skokie69.k12.il.us (John Arends) Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 16:57:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] squidguard and replication Message-ID: Does anyone have any ideas how on how to keep 2 squid/squadguard boxes to stay in sync? It seems like squid has some methods for replication, but I don't think that'd work with squidguard since its an extra piece. Any ideas? From adammelancon at gmail.com Thu Apr 7 22:03:37 2005 From: adammelancon at gmail.com (Adam Melancon) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 17:03:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] squidguard and replication In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <489287610504071503474559af@mail.gmail.com> do you need to sync usernames for squidguard authentication, or just sync the blacklists? On Apr 7, 2005 4:57 PM, John Arends wrote: > Does anyone have any ideas how on how to keep 2 squid/squadguard boxes to stay in sync? It seems like squid has some methods for replication, but I don't think that'd work with squidguard since its an extra piece. > > Any ideas? > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Adam Melancon Work: http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us Personal: http://www.melancon.org From cwt137 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 7 23:22:05 2005 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 16:22:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Seeking advice and help combining K12LTSP, OpenMosix and ThinStation to create one large project In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050407232205.60975.qmail@web30309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello, K12LTSP is Fedora based but the terminals don't load fedora linux. The treminal runs on a totally different os than the server. They load a special stripped-down version of linux based on the 2.4 kernel. If you google arround for LTSP and OpenMosix you will find tutorials and some special kernals that have OpenMosix support already compiled in. To be real nice, I will include one link on the LTSP page: http://www.ltsp.org/contrib/ltsp-om5r3c.html I hope this helps. Chris --- Jon Spriggs wrote: > Hi all, > > Over the past year or so, I've been very interested > in the Thinstation > and K12LTSP projects, and in the last couple of > weeks, the OpenMosix > project has interested me even further... > > I know that there were HowTo: documents for > incorporating OpenMosix > into K12LTSP version 3.x, but I know that K12LTSP is > now on version > 4.2 - will this make a big difference? > > I've noticed that OpenMosix works with the 2.4.26 > kernel, but K12LTSP > is based on Fedora Core 3 - which uses a 2.6 based > kernel. I'm not a > kernel hacker (infact, I've only ever had one > successful > kernel-build), so I don't really know how much > difference there is > between a 2.4 kernel and a 2.6 kernel. Would there > be much to gain (or > lose?) from regressing the K12LTSP 2.6 based kernel > to a 2.4 kernel? > > I know that for OpenMosix to work correctly, it > needs the same kernel > version between all kernels on the cluster - > therefore, I presume I'd > need to build the same kernel for the Thinstation > project (so chosen > because I may be using both Windows and Linux > terminal servers on my > estate). Is it particularly difficult to build a > kernel with OpenMosix > in for Thinstation? Would it be worth approaching > the Thinstation > developer team about building an OpenMosix based > package? Maybe even > asking them to include the OpenMosix packages into > the Kernels they > distribute. > > Essentially, what I'm not looking to do here is > build a new project > from scratch - I'm far too disorganised and lose my > focus a little too > quickly for that, but what I'd like to do is > organise three mutually > compatible projects into one core product which can > be used to help > the educational world teach and learn, and to help > the business world > work smarter with the increased drive towards server > based computing. > > I know this work is already done as individual > projects, and K12LTSP > already does some of the work that Thinstation does, > but Thinstation > allows you to have a local filesystem, without being > overly dependent > on DHCP and TFTP servers. Maybe I'm being a little > overly ambitious, > but I think this could be a really great project. > > I'd welcome any comments, positive or negative - > especially from > anyone who may have done any work along the same > lines, or who can > suggest alternative projects which may also fall > well into the same > tree? > > -- > Jon "The Nice Guy" Spriggs > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From robark at gmail.com Fri Apr 8 01:03:35 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 18:03:35 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Seeking advice and help combining K12LTSP, OpenMosix and ThinStation to create one large project In-Reply-To: <96df2e0b050407133527343bc7@mail.gmail.com> References: <96df2e0b050407133527343bc7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: This topic has been discussed before. Do a search of this list. Basically, it's hard to get ltsp working on a cluster because you can't spread apps like OpenOffice and Mozilla since they have shared memory. You can have dedicated app servers but that's not a cluster. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From bklinux at verizon.net Fri Apr 8 07:19:02 2005 From: bklinux at verizon.net (Byron Kapali) Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 21:19:02 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Floppy access In-Reply-To: <42559EFE.5000700@cameron.k12.mo.us> References: <4255486C.1000703@cameron.k12.mo.us> <42554D19.6080704@msln.net> <42559EFE.5000700@cameron.k12.mo.us> Message-ID: <42563066.8040105@verizon.net> Are you using the MTools "Floppy Access" shortcut on the desktop? It works similar to an FTP client. BK Al Dow wrote: > OK I've done that. It still dosen't work. Do I need to restart the > server? > > Mark Gumprecht wrote: > >> You can enable the floppy in the lts.conf file by adding >> RCFILE_01 = floppyd >> Mark >> >> Al Dow wrote: >> >>> How does one get floppy drive access a the terminal. It tells me >>> that it need to be mounted by root, which of course I'm not going to >>> let students do. >>> >>> Al Dow >>> Cameron School District >>> Cameron, MO 64429 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jon.spriggs at gmail.com Fri Apr 8 07:55:39 2005 From: jon.spriggs at gmail.com (Jon Spriggs) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 08:55:39 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Seeking advice and help combining K12LTSP, OpenMosix and ThinStation to create one large project In-Reply-To: <20050407232205.60975.qmail@web30309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050407232205.60975.qmail@web30309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <96df2e0b0504080055436e083b@mail.gmail.com> Chris, My only worry with regards to the tutorial you've provided is that it's for K12LTSP 3.x, not 4, and I'd like the "lead node" to be the LTSP server. As I also mentioned, I may need to provide access to Windows Servers from the local desktop, rather than authenticating into a Linux server, and then open RDesktop - hence my intention to use the Thinstation project. Although individual users are clever, groups of users are usually dumb, and to maintain the KISS regime, I want to make the whole process as simple as possible to stop them from ballsing it all up... Regards, Jon On Apr 8, 2005 12:22 AM, Chris Thomas wrote: > Hello, > > K12LTSP is Fedora based but the terminals don't load > fedora linux. The treminal runs on a totally different > os than the server. They load a special stripped-down > version of linux based on the 2.4 kernel. If you > google arround for LTSP and OpenMosix you will find > tutorials and some special kernals that have OpenMosix > support already compiled in. To be real nice, I will > include one link on the LTSP page: > > http://www.ltsp.org/contrib/ltsp-om5r3c.html > > I hope this helps. > > Chris > > --- Jon Spriggs wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Over the past year or so, I've been very interested > > in the Thinstation > > and K12LTSP projects, and in the last couple of > > weeks, the OpenMosix > > project has interested me even further... > > > > I know that there were HowTo: documents for > > incorporating OpenMosix > > into K12LTSP version 3.x, but I know that K12LTSP is > > now on version > > 4.2 - will this make a big difference? > > > > I've noticed that OpenMosix works with the 2.4.26 > > kernel, but K12LTSP > > is based on Fedora Core 3 - which uses a 2.6 based > > kernel. I'm not a > > kernel hacker (infact, I've only ever had one > > successful > > kernel-build), so I don't really know how much > > difference there is > > between a 2.4 kernel and a 2.6 kernel. Would there > > be much to gain (or > > lose?) from regressing the K12LTSP 2.6 based kernel > > to a 2.4 kernel? > > > > I know that for OpenMosix to work correctly, it > > needs the same kernel > > version between all kernels on the cluster - > > therefore, I presume I'd > > need to build the same kernel for the Thinstation > > project (so chosen > > because I may be using both Windows and Linux > > terminal servers on my > > estate). Is it particularly difficult to build a > > kernel with OpenMosix > > in for Thinstation? Would it be worth approaching > > the Thinstation > > developer team about building an OpenMosix based > > package? Maybe even > > asking them to include the OpenMosix packages into > > the Kernels they > > distribute. > > > > Essentially, what I'm not looking to do here is > > build a new project > > from scratch - I'm far too disorganised and lose my > > focus a little too > > quickly for that, but what I'd like to do is > > organise three mutually > > compatible projects into one core product which can > > be used to help > > the educational world teach and learn, and to help > > the business world > > work smarter with the increased drive towards server > > based computing. > > > > I know this work is already done as individual > > projects, and K12LTSP > > already does some of the work that Thinstation does, > > but Thinstation > > allows you to have a local filesystem, without being > > overly dependent > > on DHCP and TFTP servers. Maybe I'm being a little > > overly ambitious, > > but I think this could be a really great project. > > > > I'd welcome any comments, positive or negative - > > especially from > > anyone who may have done any work along the same > > lines, or who can > > suggest alternative projects which may also fall > > well into the same > > tree? > > > > -- > > Jon "The Nice Guy" Spriggs > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Jon "Four Star Gun" Spriggs AKA Jon "The Nice Guy" Spriggs From mellax at pm.ee Fri Apr 8 10:59:49 2005 From: mellax at pm.ee (mella) Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 13:59:49 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Printertrouble on K12LTSP4.2 In-Reply-To: <20050405160020.91C5D73BBA@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050405160020.91C5D73BBA@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <42566425.6050909@pm.ee> >I have gotten into some printertrouble in K12LTSP4.2. I believe this > must be an FC3 thing, since it didn't happen in K12LTSP4.0. I have also such problem with HP LJ4 printers and problems begin after upgrading to FC3. If anybody print Letter format to A4 printer, it needs user manual intervention on printer panel. If user let it be, CUPS switches queue off after some time. Printer still show "READY". I still have no solution and I do localhost:631 and "configure printer" cycle for stopped queue. Ant I start queue again. Problem is definitely in CUPS configuration. Maybe some kind of timeouts. From trond at mahlum.biz Fri Apr 8 11:09:21 2005 From: trond at mahlum.biz (Trond =?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E6hlum?=) Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 13:09:21 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Printertrouble on K12LTSP4.2 In-Reply-To: <42566425.6050909@pm.ee> References: <20050405160020.91C5D73BBA@hormel.redhat.com> <42566425.6050909@pm.ee> Message-ID: <1112958561.6629.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> fre, 08,.04.2005 kl. 13.59 +0300, skrev mella: > >I have gotten into some printertrouble in K12LTSP4.2. I believe this > > must be an FC3 thing, since it didn't happen in K12LTSP4.0. > > I have also such problem with HP LJ4 printers and problems begin after upgrading to FC3. > > If anybody print Letter format to A4 printer, it needs user manual intervention on printer panel. If user let it be, CUPS switches queue off after some time. Printer still show "READY". > > I still have no solution and I do localhost:631 and "configure printer" cycle for stopped queue. Ant I start queue again. > > Problem is definitely in CUPS configuration. Maybe some kind of timeouts. I also still have problems with printers going offline in cups. The show ready on the printerpanel. Same solution as above, to get the printer running again. Now I have to log into every server several times a day to do this. I got a tip from the Norwegian Skolelinux list to make Firefox print through kprinter, but it made no difference. I too think this is some kind of cups thing from FC3. I went from FC1 to FC3, and this never happened on FC1. I can't say that this happens with letter/A4. I have set up A4 as default - also in Firefox' "all.js" file. Is there perhaps some way of using another printserver than cups? What about the old one from RH8? Was it called lprng or something? I have to pursue every option as I'm getting desperate about this problem... Regards Trond > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From les at futuresource.com Fri Apr 8 12:34:49 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 07:34:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Seeking advice and help combining K12LTSP, OpenMosix and ThinStation to create one large project In-Reply-To: <96df2e0b0504080055436e083b@mail.gmail.com> References: <20050407232205.60975.qmail@web30309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <96df2e0b0504080055436e083b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1112963689.16263.2.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2005-04-08 at 02:55, Jon Spriggs wrote: > My only worry with regards to the tutorial you've provided is that > it's for K12LTSP 3.x, not 4, and I'd like the "lead node" to be the > LTSP server. As I also mentioned, I may need to provide access to > Windows Servers from the local desktop, rather than authenticating > into a Linux server, and then open RDesktop - hence my intention to > use the Thinstation project. Can't you do that with k12ltsp by enabling 'rdesktop' in one of the SCREEN_xx settings in lts.conf? -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From adow at cameron.k12.mo.us Fri Apr 8 13:43:10 2005 From: adow at cameron.k12.mo.us (Al Dow) Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 08:43:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Floppy access In-Reply-To: <42563066.8040105@verizon.net> References: <4255486C.1000703@cameron.k12.mo.us> <42554D19.6080704@msln.net> <42559EFE.5000700@cameron.k12.mo.us> <42563066.8040105@verizon.net> Message-ID: <42568A6E.3010409@cameron.k12.mo.us> Yes I do, however it never works and tells me that "A: cannot be initialized" Byron Kapali wrote: > Are you using the MTools "Floppy Access" shortcut on the desktop? It > works similar to an FTP client. > > BK > > Al Dow wrote: > >> OK I've done that. It still dosen't work. Do I need to restart the >> server? >> >> Mark Gumprecht wrote: >> >>> You can enable the floppy in the lts.conf file by adding >>> RCFILE_01 = floppyd >>> Mark >>> >>> Al Dow wrote: >>> >>>> How does one get floppy drive access a the terminal. It tells me >>>> that it need to be mounted by root, which of course I'm not going >>>> to let students do. >>>> >>>> Al Dow >>>> Cameron School District >>>> Cameron, MO 64429 >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> For more info see >>>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Apr 8 13:28:20 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 09:28:20 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Seeking advice and help combining K12LTSP, =?ISO-8859-1?Q? OpenMosix_?= and ThinStat In-Reply-To: <96df2e0b0504080055436e083b@mail.gmail.com> References: <20050407232205.60975.qmail@web30309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <96df2e0b0504080055436e083b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Jon Spriggs on Friday, April 8, 2005 at 3:55 AM +0000 wrote: >As I also mentioned, I may need to provide access to >Windows Servers from the local desktop, rather than authenticating >into a Linux server, and then open RDesktop - hence my intention to >use the Thinstation project. I don't understand your hesitation on using rdesktop....we use it here with kids as low as grade 1. They log into Linux and then click a menu item in IceWM and it takes them to the Windows Server where they simply enter their password. I have filled in the domain for them as part of the rdesktop command and the username carries from their Linux session. Since the K12LTSP server is also the PDC and the Windows Terminal Server is a member of the domain....the users are one in the same. Piece of cake....if little kids can handle it...anyone should be able to. Also...it truly fires off a seperate session hence there is no CPU usage on the LTSP box while using a Win Term session. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Apr 8 13:41:12 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 09:41:12 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Seeking advice and help combining K12LTSP, =?ISO-8859-1?Q? OpenMosix_?= and ThinStat In-Reply-To: <96df2e0b0504080055436e083b@mail.gmail.com> References: <20050407232205.60975.qmail@web30309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <96df2e0b0504080055436e083b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Jon Spriggs on Friday, April 8, 2005 at 3:55 AM +0000 wrote: >Although individual users are clever, >groups of users are usually dumb, and to maintain the KISS regime, I >want to make the whole process as simple as possible to stop them from >ballsing it all up... give your users a little more credit. I have a K-8 school and they do just fine....the trick is to try and keep things as simple for them as possible. We have one common log in....regardless of platform. Since we use Samba/LDAP with K12LTSP the same username, password, and home dir exists for each user regardless of platform. My kids always log in to Linux...then if and when they need to go to Windows they simply click on the menu item in IceWM (you can make one for Gnome or KDE if need be)....and away they go. Quite simple really and they all manage to do it just fine. (We have about 700 users) Using ThinStation is probably going to be overkill and add one more thing to the chain that probably doesn't need to be there. Just my $.02. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Apr 8 13:48:34 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 09:48:34 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] iMacs on LTSP - problems In-Reply-To: <42554C09.1090604@pcc.com> References: <000701c53b76$d30d2180$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> < > <42554C09.1090604@pcc.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, April 7, 2005 at 11:04 AM +0000 wrote: >>So, how do you right-click with the Mac single button mouse? Simple...buy a two button mouse ;-) (Seriously...probably be better off in the end) > >> >>Christopher >> >>"Support list for opensource software in schools." on >>Thursday, April 07, 2005 at 8:36 AM -0500 wrote: I can also say that the XKB error is not just a Mac problem. I ran into that same error today (I too get it on my Macs)...while demoing an iGel thin-client (has a flash based OS that has serveral clients like RDP, ICA, also has a local version of Firefox with Flash-plugin...which is cool)...anyway....I too run IceWM and once I fired off the K12lTSP session on the iGel thin-client I got the XKB error. It's no big deal....just annoying. We need to get this fixed....any ideas? (or find a way to suppress this error message) > >> >> >>>>Now comes the bad news - keyboard and mouse issues: >>>>1 - I keep getting the XKB errors when I log in (we use >>>>IceWM). Actually on the first login (and on the first login >>>>after running the reset-default-desktop tool) I get about 8 >>>>of the XKB error messages all over the screen, but subsequent >>>>logins only produce one. What should I be setting for the >>>>keyboard options in the lts.conf file to correct this? 2 - >>>>single-button mouse. What key/mouse combination do I use to >>>>get right-click behaviour from a single-button mouse? >>>> >>>> >>>Here is the lts.conf I have that boots iMac Bondi's perfectly. I >>>haven't tried IceWM yet. >>> >>>[Default] >>> SERVER = 10.6.1.126 >>> XSERVER = auto >>> X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "auto" >>> X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/input/mice" >>> X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION = 400 >>> X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 3 >>> USE_XFS = N >>> SCREEN_01 = startx David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From mellax at pm.ee Fri Apr 8 13:53:48 2005 From: mellax at pm.ee (mella) Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 16:53:48 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Printertrouble on K12LTSP4.2 In-Reply-To: <20050408134641.708207358B@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050408134641.708207358B@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <42568CEC.6090005@pm.ee> >I also still have problems with printers going offline in cups. The show ready on the printerpanel. >Same solution as above, to get the printer running again. Now I have to >log into every server several times a day to do this. I got a tip from >the Norwegian Skolelinux list to make Firefox print through kprinter, >but it made no difference. Maybe it is not onlu letter/A4 problem. Maybe just some users send jobs that need manual intervention and after timeout CUPS just disables queue. Quetsion is - Why and how disable this timeout. From olle at paalalinn.com Fri Apr 8 15:26:34 2005 From: olle at paalalinn.com (Olle Niit) Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 18:26:34 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] after update WINE not working on 4.2.0 Message-ID: <4256A2AA.2090007@paalalinn.com> Maybe there is some person using wine too... Problem: 2 days ago I updated k12ltsp 4.2.0 with yum -y update. Now WINE displays only error message. Even winedbg don't start. Message is here: wine: failed to initialize: /usr/lib/wine/ntdll.dll.so: failed to map segment from shared object: Cannot allocate memory. I tried to upgrade wine to latest, but no luck. I can't find what package screws up wine. If someone knows, let me know too, then I can remove or downgrade this. This is too stupid to reinstall 2 desktops and configure all again... Olle Niit From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Apr 8 15:46:30 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 08:46:30 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] after update WINE not working on 4.2.0 In-Reply-To: <4256A2AA.2090007@paalalinn.com> References: <4256A2AA.2090007@paalalinn.com> Message-ID: <4256A756.5030105@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Olle Niit wrote: > Maybe there is some person using wine too... > > Problem: > > 2 days ago I updated k12ltsp 4.2.0 with yum -y update. > > Now WINE displays only error message. Even winedbg don't start. > > Message is here: > wine: failed to initialize: /usr/lib/wine/ntdll.dll.so: failed to map > segment from shared object: Cannot allocate memory. > > I tried to upgrade wine to latest, but no luck. > > I can't find what package screws up wine. If someone knows, let me know > too, then I can remove or downgrade this. This is too stupid to > reinstall 2 desktops and configure all again... > > Olle Niit Are you using the latest-n-greatest Wine package for FC3? http://www.winehq.org/site/download-rh -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From ericbrown at mi-spot.com Fri Apr 8 16:56:47 2005 From: ericbrown at mi-spot.com (Eric Brown) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 11:56:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Dual monitors on single client? Message-ID: <200504081643.j38GhsJ28998@www.mi-spot.com> Hello All, I would like to know if anyone has put dual video cards for dual monitors on one client, either as a mirrored screen, or extended screen. I'm not picky. In my classroom, I have 20 clients that run great off my server. I have one client hooked to a digital projector, so I can do presentations and show kids where programs are, and how they work. It's kind of a pain because I have my back to the screen while I'm using the mouse and keyboard. It would be nice to put another video card and monitor in/on the client so I can look at the montior rather than twist around to see the screen. It would be even better if, at times, I could use the client without turning on the projector. Moving things around so I can use the computer while looking at the screen isn't really an option due to very limited space. I've tried several variations on this. It'll take some work to dig the computer out of its hole, and then install the second video card, so I thought I'd ask the list first. Thanks, Eric Viva la Open Source! From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Apr 8 17:04:23 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 13:04:23 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Dual monitors on single client? In-Reply-To: <200504081643.j38GhsJ28998@www.mi-spot.com> References: <200504081643.j38GhsJ28998@www.mi-spot.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, April 8, 2005 at 12:56 PM +0000 wrote: >Hello All, > >I would like to know if anyone has put dual video cards for dual monitors >on >one client, either as a mirrored screen, or extended screen. I'm not >picky. > >In my classroom, I have 20 clients that run great off my server. I have >one >client hooked to a digital projector, so I can do presentations and show >kids where programs are, and how they work. It's kind of a pain because I >have my back to the screen while I'm using the mouse and keyboard. It >would >be nice to put another video card and monitor in/on the client so I can >look >at the montior rather than twist around to see the screen. It would be >even >better if, at times, I could use the client without turning on the >projector. > >Moving things around so I can use the computer while looking at the screen >isn't really an option due to very limited space. I've tried several >variations on this. > >It'll take some work to dig the computer out of its hole, and then install >the second video card, so I thought I'd ask the list first. > >Thanks, >Eric > >Viva la Open Source! I actually do something similar, but my projector has an output to allow me to run to the monitor....I have to turn the power on for the projector, but not the lamp or the fan. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Apr 8 17:04:23 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 13:04:23 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Dual monitors on single client? In-Reply-To: <200504081643.j38GhsJ28998@www.mi-spot.com> References: <200504081643.j38GhsJ28998@www.mi-spot.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, April 8, 2005 at 12:56 PM +0000 wrote: >Hello All, > >I would like to know if anyone has put dual video cards for dual monitors >on >one client, either as a mirrored screen, or extended screen. I'm not >picky. > >In my classroom, I have 20 clients that run great off my server. I have >one >client hooked to a digital projector, so I can do presentations and show >kids where programs are, and how they work. It's kind of a pain because I >have my back to the screen while I'm using the mouse and keyboard. It >would >be nice to put another video card and monitor in/on the client so I can >look >at the montior rather than twist around to see the screen. It would be >even >better if, at times, I could use the client without turning on the >projector. > >Moving things around so I can use the computer while looking at the screen >isn't really an option due to very limited space. I've tried several >variations on this. > >It'll take some work to dig the computer out of its hole, and then install >the second video card, so I thought I'd ask the list first. > >Thanks, >Eric > >Viva la Open Source! I actually do something similar, but my projector has an output to allow me to run to the monitor....I have to turn the power on for the projector, but not the lamp or the fan. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Fri Apr 8 17:18:04 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 10:18:04 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Dual monitors on single client? In-Reply-To: <200504081643.j38GhsJ28998@www.mi-spot.com> References: <200504081643.j38GhsJ28998@www.mi-spot.com> Message-ID: I remember getting a cable adapter years ago that just split the signal between two monitors. Could it be that simple? On Apr 8, 2005 9:56 AM, Eric Brown wrote: > Hello All, > > I would like to know if anyone has put dual video cards for dual monitors on > one client, either as a mirrored screen, or extended screen. I'm not picky. > > In my classroom, I have 20 clients that run great off my server. I have one > client hooked to a digital projector, so I can do presentations and show > kids where programs are, and how they work. It's kind of a pain because I > have my back to the screen while I'm using the mouse and keyboard. It would > be nice to put another video card and monitor in/on the client so I can look > at the montior rather than twist around to see the screen. It would be even > better if, at times, I could use the client without turning on the > projector. > > Moving things around so I can use the computer while looking at the screen > isn't really an option due to very limited space. I've tried several > variations on this. > > It'll take some work to dig the computer out of its hole, and then install > the second video card, so I thought I'd ask the list first. > > Thanks, > Eric > > Viva la Open Source! > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Fri Apr 8 17:21:30 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 10:21:30 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Dual monitors on single client? In-Reply-To: References: <200504081643.j38GhsJ28998@www.mi-spot.com> Message-ID: I googled and found http://www.hallresearch.com/products/splitters/vga/vga_splitters.htm, which brought back my memory on this. It's called a splitter... -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct From olle at paalalinn.com Fri Apr 8 17:55:02 2005 From: olle at paalalinn.com (Olle Niit) Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 20:55:02 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] after update WINE not working on 4.2.0 In-Reply-To: <4256A756.5030105@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <4256A2AA.2090007@paalalinn.com> <4256A756.5030105@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <4256C576.6050202@paalalinn.com> Answer is Yes. Before update I used december 2004 version, but now I tried on amd sempron mashine latest and greatest i686 and athlon version; on P4 mashine i386 and i686 version, but no luck. I tried to upgrade, downgrade, remove and reinstall again wine, same message. I also suspected kernel version but old kernel was not help my out. I googled too, finded some same messages but no good answers... I'm too stupid too to talk with wine developers. I even tried FC2 wine version on FC3 computer but same message again. Eric Harrison wrote: > Olle Niit wrote: > >> Message is here: >> wine: failed to initialize: /usr/lib/wine/ntdll.dll.so: failed to map >> segment from shared object: Cannot allocate memory. >> >> I tried to upgrade wine to latest, but no luck. >> >> I can't find what package screws up wine. If someone knows, let me know >> too, then I can remove or downgrade this. This is too stupid to >> reinstall 2 desktops and configure all again... >> >> Olle Niit > > > Are you using the latest-n-greatest Wine package for FC3? > > http://www.winehq.org/site/download-rh > > > -Eric From mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us Fri Apr 8 18:02:34 2005 From: mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us (mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 14:02:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp 4.2.0 smp crash after yum update Message-ID: <3653.192.168.0.21.1112983354.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> We just received a new Dell PowerEdge 2800 with two processors. I installed Fedora 3 onto it from the k12ltsp 4.2.0 CD's to build a squid system and all worked well. I then did a yum update and reboot. I am using the graphical interface on the console(level 5). Very quickly after I log in, the system crashes with the 2.6.10-1.770_FC3smp kernel. It does not crash with the non smp kernel. I reinstalled from the CD's again and did a selective yum update, adding everything except the updates that begin with xorg-x11. Now the server no longer crashes with the smp kernel. This server uses a Radeon 7000 video chip and when I google, there seem to be lots of references to smp problems, but earlier in fedora 3 development. What can I do to resolve the problem? Also, I noticed that when using the 2.6.10-1.770_FC3 kernel, either smp or non smp, the time is set 4 hour earlier than the hardware time on this server. I can reset the time after boot up, but when I reboot again, the time is incorrect. This does not occur with the 2.6.9-1.681_FC3 kernels. Help? Mark Orenstein East Granby, CT School System From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Apr 8 18:07:57 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 13:07:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Dual monitors on single client? In-Reply-To: <200504081643.j38GhsJ28998@www.mi-spot.com> Message-ID: <002401c53c65$e48ac3f0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > I would like to know if anyone has put dual video cards for > dual monitors on one client, either as a mirrored screen, or > extended screen. I'm not picky. With the situation you are talking about you could always use an external video splitter. I am sure there is a way to get dual cards to work but if all you need is a mirrored screen to a local monitor and a video projector this would be a quick solution. Here is the first one I looked at from Buy.com for an example: http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=10363643&loc=101&hdwt=22114&sp =1 Hope that helps. I use these types of devices all over the place where mirrored monitors are needed. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From bkovach at lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us Fri Apr 8 18:18:38 2005 From: bkovach at lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us (Brandon Kovach) Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 13:18:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Dual monitors on single client? In-Reply-To: References: <200504081643.j38GhsJ28998@www.mi-spot.com> Message-ID: <4256CAFE.40804@lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us> yes. Steve Hargadon wrote: >I remember getting a cable adapter years ago that just split the >signal between two monitors. Could it be that simple? > >On Apr 8, 2005 9:56 AM, Eric Brown wrote: > > >>Hello All, >> >>I would like to know if anyone has put dual video cards for dual monitors on >>one client, either as a mirrored screen, or extended screen. I'm not picky. >> >>In my classroom, I have 20 clients that run great off my server. I have one >>client hooked to a digital projector, so I can do presentations and show >>kids where programs are, and how they work. It's kind of a pain because I >>have my back to the screen while I'm using the mouse and keyboard. It would >>be nice to put another video card and monitor in/on the client so I can look >>at the montior rather than twist around to see the screen. It would be even >>better if, at times, I could use the client without turning on the >>projector. >> >>Moving things around so I can use the computer while looking at the screen >>isn't really an option due to very limited space. I've tried several >>variations on this. >> >>It'll take some work to dig the computer out of its hole, and then install >>the second video card, so I thought I'd ask the list first. >> >>Thanks, >>Eric >> >>Viva la Open Source! >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I am sure there is a way to get dual cards to >work but if all you need is a mirrored screen to a local monitor and a >video projector this would be a quick solution. > >Here is the first one I looked at from Buy.com for an example: >http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=10363643&loc=101&hdwt=22114&sp >=1 > >Hope that helps. I use these types of devices all over the place where >mirrored monitors are needed. > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stegil at hotmail.com Fri Apr 8 18:12:07 2005 From: stegil at hotmail.com (steve gilmore) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 14:12:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp 4.2.0 smp crash after yum update References: <3653.192.168.0.21.1112983354.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> Message-ID: I had a file server with FC3 and kernel 2.6.1-1.6-smp after an up2date update with a new kernel 2.6.1-1.770-smp the whole system crashed also. Even if i returned to an earlier kernel, the system was still crashing. Must be something also in one of the updates. Ended up reinstalling FC3. No just trying to salvage the raid 5 disk info. :( SteveG ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 2:02 PM Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp 4.2.0 smp crash after yum update > We just received a new Dell PowerEdge 2800 with two processors. I > installed Fedora 3 onto it from the k12ltsp 4.2.0 CD's to build a squid > system and all worked well. I then did a yum update and reboot. I am > using the graphical interface on the console(level 5). Very quickly after > I log in, the system crashes with the 2.6.10-1.770_FC3smp kernel. It does > not crash with the non smp kernel. > > I reinstalled from the CD's again and did a selective yum update, adding > everything except the updates that begin with xorg-x11. Now the server no > longer crashes with the smp kernel. > > This server uses a Radeon 7000 video chip and when I google, there seem to > be lots of references to smp problems, but earlier in fedora 3 > development. What can I do to resolve the problem? > > Also, I noticed that when using the 2.6.10-1.770_FC3 kernel, either smp or > non smp, the time is set 4 hour earlier than the hardware time on this > server. I can reset the time after boot up, but when I reboot again, the > time is incorrect. This does not occur with the 2.6.9-1.681_FC3 kernels. > Help? > > Mark Orenstein > East Granby, CT School System > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us Fri Apr 8 18:38:40 2005 From: mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us (mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 14:38:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp 4.2.0 smp crash after yum update In-Reply-To: References: <3653.192.168.0.21.1112983354.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> Message-ID: <4074.192.168.0.21.1112985520.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> It is the xorg-x11 package updates that are causing the crash. Mark > I had a file server with FC3 and kernel 2.6.1-1.6-smp after an up2date > update with a new kernel 2.6.1-1.770-smp the whole system crashed also. > Even > if i returned to an earlier kernel, the system was still crashing. Must > be > something also in one of the updates. Ended up reinstalling FC3. No just > trying to salvage the raid 5 disk info. :( > SteveG > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 2:02 PM > Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp 4.2.0 smp crash after yum update > > >> We just received a new Dell PowerEdge 2800 with two processors. I >> installed Fedora 3 onto it from the k12ltsp 4.2.0 CD's to build a squid >> system and all worked well. I then did a yum update and reboot. I am >> using the graphical interface on the console(level 5). Very quickly >> after >> I log in, the system crashes with the 2.6.10-1.770_FC3smp kernel. It >> does >> not crash with the non smp kernel. >> >> I reinstalled from the CD's again and did a selective yum update, adding >> everything except the updates that begin with xorg-x11. Now the server >> no >> longer crashes with the smp kernel. >> >> This server uses a Radeon 7000 video chip and when I google, there seem >> to >> be lots of references to smp problems, but earlier in fedora 3 >> development. What can I do to resolve the problem? >> >> Also, I noticed that when using the 2.6.10-1.770_FC3 kernel, either smp >> or >> non smp, the time is set 4 hour earlier than the hardware time on this >> server. I can reset the time after boot up, but when I reboot again, >> the >> time is incorrect. This does not occur with the 2.6.9-1.681_FC3 >> kernels. >> Help? >> >> Mark Orenstein >> East Granby, CT School System >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From bill at computassist.com Fri Apr 8 19:15:37 2005 From: bill at computassist.com (Bill Bardon) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 14:15:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Dual monitors on single client? In-Reply-To: <200504081643.j38GhsJ28998@www.mi-spot.com> References: <200504081643.j38GhsJ28998@www.mi-spot.com> Message-ID: <20050408141537.0cdfb375@localhost.localdomain> On Friday, Apr 08 Eric Brown wrote: > I would like to know if anyone has put dual video cards for dual > monitors on one client, either as a mirrored screen, or extended > screen. I'm not picky. Take a look at Xinerama: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Xinerama-HOWTO/ -- Bill Bardon COMPUTASSIST Omaha, Nebraska http://www.computassist.com From brcisna at frontiernet.net Fri Apr 8 23:25:46 2005 From: brcisna at frontiernet.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 18:25:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] anyone have usb/pen drives working? Message-ID: <001001c53c92$4b7d93e0$01fea8c0@brcHOST> Hello List, Does anyone have a good /surefire fix,,for using usb/pen drives on K12LTSP 4.2.0? Id like to use this ,along with floppy access ,as well, just to keep everyone,in the school happy. I did have usbdrives, working on 4.1.1 a few moons ago but updtaed all servers to 4.2.0 and now,I cant get usb /pen drives to see MtoolsFM,,utilty? Don't knwo why,,either:(.. Any recipes,,for a fix to this? Thanks,, Barry CIsna RR1 Box 213 Gladstone, IL 61437 brcisna at frontiernet.net From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Sat Apr 9 02:48:24 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 20:48:24 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Tux Paint question In-Reply-To: <20050406011203.GA12344@sonic.net> References: <42532C09.1050706@elp.rr.com> <20050406011203.GA12344@sonic.net> Message-ID: <42574278.7070200@elp.rr.com> Thanks, I found the answer in a preference file accesable under root and changed the save location to the desktop. Bill Kendrick wrote: >On Tue, Apr 05, 2005 at 06:23:37PM -0600, John P. Conlon wrote: > > >>Is there a way to make the Tux Paint saved folder visible to the users >>without showing them the rest of the files in the Tux Paint folder. >>Preferably, please without having to do each user individually. My >>students are doing a project that requires originally created graphics >>and need to be able to incorporate these graphics with text. >> >> > >(Just so folks know, the new "tuxpaint-users"[*] mailing list is also >a good place for questions like this. ;^) I'm trying to drum up postings!) > > >The "--savedir ..." option (or "savedir=..." in Tux Paint's config file) >might do the trick. It could also be possible to use a symbolic link to >expose the standard saved-files directory. > >Let me know whether either of these work. If not, I'll put some more >brain power to it, and/or talk to you about possible tweaks for future >versions of Tux Paint, to make this easier for adminly folk like yourself. :) > >Thx! > > >-bill! > >[*] http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/tuxpaint/lists/ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From olle at paalalinn.com Sat Apr 9 11:57:06 2005 From: olle at paalalinn.com (Olle Niit) Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 14:57:06 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] after update WINE not working on 4.2.0 In-Reply-To: <4256C576.6050202@paalalinn.com> References: <4256A2AA.2090007@paalalinn.com> <4256A756.5030105@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <4256C576.6050202@paalalinn.com> Message-ID: <4257C312.3010308@paalalinn.com> I screwd up my third computer, still no luck. Sure it's not xorg-x11* and glibc* and gtk2* packages. It's very hard to figure out, because after every update must restart to test, it's working or work not. I will try this again, but this time speeder computer. Olle Olle Niit wrote: > Answer is Yes. > > Before update I used december 2004 version, but now I tried on amd > sempron mashine latest and greatest i686 and athlon version; on P4 > mashine i386 and i686 version, but no luck. I tried to upgrade, > downgrade, remove and reinstall again wine, same message. I also > suspected kernel version but old kernel was not help my out. I googled > too, finded some same messages but no good answers... I'm too stupid > too to talk with wine developers. > I even tried FC2 wine version on FC3 computer but same message again. From trond at mahlum.biz Sat Apr 9 12:15:35 2005 From: trond at mahlum.biz (Trond =?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E6hlum?=) Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 14:15:35 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] after update WINE not working on 4.2.0 In-Reply-To: <4257C312.3010308@paalalinn.com> References: <4256A2AA.2090007@paalalinn.com> <4256A756.5030105@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <4256C576.6050202@paalalinn.com> <4257C312.3010308@paalalinn.com> Message-ID: <1113048935.9224.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> l?r, 09,.04.2005 kl. 14.57 +0300, skrev Olle Niit: > I screwd up my third computer, still no luck. Sure it's not xorg-x11* > and glibc* and gtk2* packages. > It's very hard to figure out, because after every update must restart to > test, it's working or work not. This doesn't fix your problem, but I am using a clean installed 4.2.0 with clean installed wine. Everything works perfectly. I am using the latest rpm for FC3 from http://www.winehq.org/site/download-rh So wine on 4.2.0 at least works. Regards Trond > I will try this again, but this time speeder computer. > > Olle > > > Olle Niit wrote: > > > Answer is Yes. > > > > Before update I used december 2004 version, but now I tried on amd > > sempron mashine latest and greatest i686 and athlon version; on P4 > > mashine i386 and i686 version, but no luck. I tried to upgrade, > > downgrade, remove and reinstall again wine, same message. I also > > suspected kernel version but old kernel was not help my out. I googled > > too, finded some same messages but no good answers... I'm too stupid > > too to talk with wine developers. > > I even tried FC2 wine version on FC3 computer but same message again. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From bimal.pandit at indoasian.com Sat Apr 9 11:29:57 2005 From: bimal.pandit at indoasian.com (Bimal Pandit) Date: 09 Apr 2005 16:59:57 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] OT -- script named "User iFOrmation -- ufo" Message-ID: <1113046197.3305.5.camel@bp5575> Dear All, I have written a small script and named it "User iFOrmation -- ufo" which i want to share with all of you, so where shall i put it!! on the user list or there is some place for that, please let me know so that i will post it accordingly the script i have written will do as :- 1) List of Users Currently Logged in :- this option will tell you about the names of all the users who are currently logged-in in your system(ltsp server) 2) Process of User :- This option will tell you about the listt of all the process(s) of a particular user 3) CPU and Memory Consumption :- This option will tell you about the memory and CPU consumption by all users(accumulated), total and also per user - per process and accumulated 4) Killing User Process :- This option will help you to kill all or single process of a user, for this you will need to typein the complete process e.g. Enter username of whom to kill process :- bimal running processes of bimal are :- ..... /opt/OpenOffice.org1.1.3/program/soffice.bin ..... so you need to type or cut & paste this!! in case of killing single process. 5) User Details :- This option will tell you about the total system and general users you have on your system with their UID,GID and NAME NOTE:- ------ i have tested this script on redhat box, though this script may not be the best/professional one, but is helping me a lot, so i just want to share it with all, BUT use it at YOUR OWN RISK!! you need to use this as a SUPER USER(root), so i would recommend to put it in "/sbin", change its permission as "chmod 710 ufo" any suggestion/modification/comments will always be welcomed as there may be a lot of things which may have skipped my mind or may be i dont know!! -- regards, Bimal Pandit bimal.pandit at indoasian.com IndoAsian Fusegear Ltd. Noida, U.P ? 201305 Phone:- +91-120-2568472/2568093-098 Fax:- +91-120-2568473 Website:- www.indoasian.com Never be afraid to try something new. Remember, amateurs built the ark; professionals built the Titanic. -- Anonymous From nbs at sonic.net Sat Apr 9 17:07:20 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 10:07:20 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Tux Paint question In-Reply-To: <42574278.7070200@elp.rr.com> References: <42532C09.1050706@elp.rr.com> <20050406011203.GA12344@sonic.net> <42574278.7070200@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <20050409170720.GA30625@sonic.net> On Fri, Apr 08, 2005 at 08:48:24PM -0600, John P. Conlon wrote: > Thanks, I found the answer in a preference file accesable under root and > changed the save location to the desktop. Great! :^) -bill! From mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us Sat Apr 9 17:17:48 2005 From: mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us (mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 13:17:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Regressions after yum update In-Reply-To: <3653.192.168.0.21.1112983354.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> References: <3653.192.168.0.21.1112983354.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> Message-ID: <1609.24.2.210.202.1113067068.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> After doing a yum update on Wed., I ran into problems. The following two issues may impact Dell PowerEdge uses. They certainly affected our Dell PowerEdge 2800. 1. Radeon 7000 video issue with the SMP kernel causes an almost immediate crash after logging into the graphics console. See bug 152648 in bugzilla. It does not impact the non-smp kernel. The problem is caused by the xorg-x11 updates. 2. hwclock problem in the updated kernel. See bug 144894 in bugzilla. Mark Orenstein East Granby, CT School System. From olle at paalalinn.com Sat Apr 9 17:21:50 2005 From: olle at paalalinn.com (Olle Niit) Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 20:21:50 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] WINE not working on 4.2.0 - SOLVED In-Reply-To: <4257C312.3010308@paalalinn.com> References: <4256A2AA.2090007@paalalinn.com> <4256A756.5030105@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <4256C576.6050202@paalalinn.com> <4257C312.3010308@paalalinn.com> Message-ID: <42580F2E.7020300@paalalinn.com> I found answer for my question. Problem comes with initscripts-7.93.7-1 If remove this rpm and install initscripts-7.93.2-1 and reboot then wine works again. Thanks. Olle Niit Olle Niit wrote: > > I screwd up my third computer, still no luck. Sure it's not xorg-x11* > and glibc* and gtk2* packages. > It's very hard to figure out, because after every update must restart > to test, it's working or work not. > > I will try this again, but this time speeder computer. > > Olle > > > Olle Niit wrote: > >> Answer is Yes. >> >> Before update I used december 2004 version, but now I tried on amd >> sempron mashine latest and greatest i686 and athlon version; on P4 >> mashine i386 and i686 version, but no luck. I tried to upgrade, >> downgrade, remove and reinstall again wine, same message. I also >> suspected kernel version but old kernel was not help my out. I >> googled too, finded some same messages but no good answers... I'm too >> stupid too to talk with wine developers. >> I even tried FC2 wine version on FC3 computer but same message again. > From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sat Apr 9 17:31:06 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 13:31:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] TuxType Question...VGA mode not supported Message-ID: Hi all, I have a small dilemma. I just recently put new monitors (LCD) in my lab and they do not support VGA mode. TuxPaint and TuxMath run fine...especially in windowed mode. I cannot seem to get TuxType to run (show up)....the monitor says "VGA Mode not supported". Is there a config file to switch TuxType to windowed mode or perhaps get it to a different resolution? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sat Apr 9 17:37:26 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 13:37:26 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] TuxType Question...VGA mode not supported In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Never mind...I've asked the question before and found the answer to get it into windowed mode Exec=/usr/bin/tuxtype2 -w David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sat Apr 9 17:37:26 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 13:37:26 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] TuxType Question...VGA mode not supported In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Never mind...I've asked the question before and found the answer to get it into windowed mode Exec=/usr/bin/tuxtype2 -w David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From faengoy at yahoo.com Sat Apr 9 17:48:52 2005 From: faengoy at yahoo.com (Dan Bo) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 10:48:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Regressions after yum update Message-ID: <20050409174852.27451.qmail@web20707.mail.yahoo.com> I recently wrote an article about how to handle a roll-back like this. It may be useful for those list members who don't have a lot of Linux experience (though probably won't say anything new for experienced admins) http://uncledans.is-a-geek.org/~danielbo/Fixit Dan Original Message ----------------------------------------------------------- After doing a yum update on Wed., I ran into problems. The following two issues may impact Dell PowerEdge uses. They certainly affected our Dell PowerEdge 2800. 1. Radeon 7000 video issue with the SMP kernel causes an almost immediate crash after logging into the graphics console. See bug 152648 in bugzilla. It does not impact the non-smp kernel. The problem is caused by the xorg-x11 updates. 2. hwclock problem in the updated kernel. See bug 144894 in bugzilla. Mark Orenstein East Granby, CT School System. Trouble opening PDFs? Try the advice at http://www.onestopenglish.com/lessonshare/archiveread.htm Official Thai -> English translation at reasonable rates. Contact me to find out more. From moquist at majen.net Sat Apr 9 18:58:43 2005 From: moquist at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 14:58:43 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Dual monitors on single client? In-Reply-To: <20050409160053.98FBE73DAA@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050409160053.98FBE73DAA@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20050409185843.GI11126@majen.net> > I would like to know if anyone has put dual video cards for dual monitors on > one client, either as a mirrored screen, or extended screen. I'm not picky. I've never done that on a thin client, but I've been running multi-head workstations for years, some with Xinerama and some without. Just buy a single dual-head video card or add a second (PCI, probably) video card to your system. Then... The trickiest part is figuring out your X server configuration, because that's where you identify your video adapters, monitors, resolution(s), color depths, and head orderings. I've tossed my xorg.conf (/etc/X11/xorg.conf on my Ubuntu system, xorg.conf sometimes shows up in other places, such as /etc/) up at http://majen.net/docs/xorg.conf in case it is a helpful example. Here are the important things to note: 1. I have two "Device" sections. Each of these refers to a video adapter, and note that I identify the PCI BusID for each. You can find this number with the 'lspci' command. Here are the relevant lines from my 'lspci' output: 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV34 0000:00:0c.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV34 Note that from the above output, I entered devices with BusIDs of "PCI:1:0:0" and "PCI:0:12:0". (The lspci output is in hex (c=12); xorg.conf might be perfectly happy with hex, I don't know.) 3. I have two "Monitor" sections. Self explanatory, I think. 4. I have two "Screen" sections. Each screen section combines a Device, a Monitor, and one or more "Display" subsections that specify resolutions and color depths. Realistically, if you always know what your configuration is going to be you can just have one of those subsections, and it only needs to refer to one color depth and one resolution. But then if you ever plug into a different monitor, for example, you might not get any graphical display... 5. I have a "ServerLayout" section that tells Xorg where my screens are relative to one another. If I move my mouse off the left side of my left monitor and it immediately enters the right side of my right monitor, I know this is where I need to change things. (Or I could move the physical monitors on my desk... ;) 6. I have a "ServerFlags" section that turns Xinerama on. Xinerama allows a multi-head display to act like one big, unified display. This means you can move windows from one display to the other, though it also means that obnoxious web-browser-resizing web pages can create HUMONGOUS popups from time to time, which is rather terrifying. 7. In every section, "Identifier" can be anything you want, as long as you use the same string when you refer to something elsewhere. For example, I have a Device named "nvidia-1", and I have a Screen section that refers to "nvidia-1" for its Device. 8. Like with everything else, mucking with your X server configuration just takes experience. It was all rather bewildering to me at first, why one thing would work and not another (usually why *nothing* I tried would work...), but eventually you can get the hang of it. 9. Based on my weak understanding of the LTSP, you'll have to put all this stuff in some sort of craaaaazy /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf file on your LTSP server, if you want to do this on a thin client. 10. I guess I should mention the line "ZAxisMapping" in the "Input Device" section for the mouse. That enables normal scrolling. Oh - but you want to use this to *mirror* your display for a projector - in that case Xinerama is definitely not what you want. I've done that, too (usually the default config for a dual-head video card), but I always got rid of it ASAP because I didn't want it. Google a bit and you should find how to do that; it should just be a change in your ServerLayout, I'm guessing. > I however, do need to put 2 monitors on a client. I need to be able to > view a web page with a matrix of 30+ security camera view at the same > time. Is it as simple as adding 2 supported video cards to the same PC? Yep, as long as you do all that other stuff I mentioned above. ;) --matt -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From ken.tech1 at gmail.com Sat Apr 9 21:06:25 2005 From: ken.tech1 at gmail.com (Ken Johnson) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 17:06:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Server specs Message-ID: <1eb89cf205040914063c970f8@mail.gmail.com> Operating on a limited budget, I am seeking a server on EBay to support 10 users, on a K12LTSP network that will grow in the future. I need to get the most bang for my limited buck. I have seen some Dell Poweredge servers and some Compaq Proliants. Which is better for K12LTSP? Are there any 'gotchas" with either Dell or Compaq? Does either have any special power requirements? I want to start with about 2 Gig of RAM and SCSI drives. Which is more important - processor speed or RAM ? Would a 500-800 Mhz processor feel fast enough? What about RAID - is that something I should be looking for? Should I look for additional SCSI drives on EBay or seek new ones? Thanks in advance. From mr.rcollins at gmail.com Sat Apr 9 21:45:16 2005 From: mr.rcollins at gmail.com (Ryan Collins) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 17:45:16 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Server specs In-Reply-To: <1eb89cf205040914063c970f8@mail.gmail.com> References: <1eb89cf205040914063c970f8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Apr 9, 2005 5:06 PM, Ken Johnson wrote: > I have seen some Dell Poweredge servers and some Compaq Proliants. > Does either have any special power requirements? > > I want to start with about 2 Gig of RAM and SCSI drives. > > Which is more important - processor speed or RAM ? > > Would a 500-800 Mhz processor feel fast enough? > > What about RAID - is that something I should be looking for? > > Should I look for additional SCSI drives on EBay or seek new ones? I've been use Dell Poweredge without any problems. This question comes up a lot, so I'll give you the tips as I remember them: - SCSI drives over IDE - Memory over processor speed - Seperate /home onto a different drive if possible. With only 10 clients, 2GB of RAM should be doable. My current LTSP server is a Quad 4 800MHz pentium III with 4GB of RAM. It's an older Dell Poweredge I picked up for a joint vocational school for $1,500. It supports around 25 machines, and only really slows down when OpenOffice.org starts up. I also placed an Amer.com gigabit ethernet card in it, and run to a Asante 10/100/1000 switch for the clients. -- Ryan Collins Technology Coordinator - Kenton City Schools http://www.kentoncityschools.org/ From steve.honeycutt at gmail.com Sun Apr 10 02:18:29 2005 From: steve.honeycutt at gmail.com (Steve Honeycutt) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 21:18:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Server specs In-Reply-To: <1eb89cf205040914063c970f8@mail.gmail.com> References: <1eb89cf205040914063c970f8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <61bfa74305040919185474e6e7@mail.gmail.com> Didn't you already get several good answers to this question? On Apr 9, 2005 4:06 PM, Ken Johnson wrote: > Operating on a limited budget, I am seeking a server on EBay to > support 10 users, on a K12LTSP network that will grow in the future. > > I need to get the most bang for my limited buck. > > I have seen some Dell Poweredge servers and some Compaq Proliants. > > Which is better for K12LTSP? > > Are there any 'gotchas" with either Dell or Compaq? > > Does either have any special power requirements? > > I want to start with about 2 Gig of RAM and SCSI drives. > > Which is more important - processor speed or RAM ? > > Would a 500-800 Mhz processor feel fast enough? > > What about RAID - is that something I should be looking for? > > Should I look for additional SCSI drives on EBay or seek new ones? > > Thanks in advance. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Best Regards, Steve www.slicehaven.com From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Apr 10 03:23:24 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 20:23:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Regressions after yum update In-Reply-To: <1609.24.2.210.202.1113067068.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> References: <3653.192.168.0.21.1112983354.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> <1609.24.2.210.202.1113067068.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> Message-ID: On Sat, 9 Apr 2005 mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us wrote: > After doing a yum update on Wed., I ran into problems. The following two > issues may impact Dell PowerEdge uses. They certainly affected our Dell > PowerEdge 2800. > > 1. Radeon 7000 video issue with the SMP kernel causes an almost immediate > crash after logging into the graphics console. See bug 152648 in > bugzilla. It does not impact the non-smp kernel. The problem is caused > by the xorg-x11 updates. Just out of curiosity, did you try the test xorg-x11 packages listed in the third bugzilla comment? > 2. hwclock problem in the updated kernel. See bug 144894 in bugzilla. There is a new kernel (2.6.11) in the Fedora testing queue. Hopefully that will fix this one. Comment #7 in bugzilla lists two potential fixes/work-arounds. -Eric From aimssda at cscoms.com Sun Apr 10 03:25:26 2005 From: aimssda at cscoms.com (AIMSSDA) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 10:25:26 +0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Virus in one of the packages in 4.2? In-Reply-To: <20050401010558.6ACFC7326D@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050401010558.6ACFC7326D@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <42589CA6.1040403@cscoms.com> I was scanning my samba file server when bitdefender came up with this report. Z:\ISO\K12LTSP-4.2.0-disc2.iso=>Fedora/RPMS/rpm-devel-4.3.2-21.i386.rpm=>rpm-devel-4.3.2-21.gz=>K12LTSP-4.2.0-disc2.iso=>Fedora/RPMS/rpm-devel-4.3.2-21.i386.rpm=>rpm-devel-4.3.2-21=>usr/share/doc/rpm-devel-4.3.2/apidocs/html/header_8h.html is infected with this: Trojan.Clicker.Qhost.A Is this a false positive or really a virus. Thanks Edward From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Apr 10 03:46:00 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 20:46:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] WINE not working on 4.2.0 - SOLVED In-Reply-To: <42580F2E.7020300@paalalinn.com> References: <4256A2AA.2090007@paalalinn.com> <4256A756.5030105@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <4256C576.6050202@paalalinn.com> <4257C312.3010308@paalalinn.com> <42580F2E.7020300@paalalinn.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 9 Apr 2005, Olle Niit wrote: > I found answer for my question. > > Problem comes with initscripts-7.93.7-1 > If remove this rpm and install initscripts-7.93.2-1 > and reboot then wine works again. That is fascinating, I don't see any changes between the two version that I would expect to cause problems with wine. There are a lot of config files in the initscripts package. I wonder if you had a troublesome entry in one of them that was replaced when you down-graded the package? If a config file was replaced, it should have saved a copy with a *.rpmsave extention. Try running this little script to see if you have any *.rpmsave files associated with the initscripts package: for file in `rpm -qc initscripts` ; do [ -f ${file}.rpmsave ] && echo ${file} ; done -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Apr 10 03:56:09 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 20:56:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Virus in one of the packages in 4.2? In-Reply-To: <42589CA6.1040403@cscoms.com> References: <20050401010558.6ACFC7326D@hormel.redhat.com> <42589CA6.1040403@cscoms.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 10 Apr 2005, AIMSSDA wrote: > I was scanning my samba file server when bitdefender came up with this report. > > Z:\ISO\K12LTSP-4.2.0-disc2.iso=>Fedora/RPMS/rpm-devel-4.3.2-21.i386.rpm=>rpm-devel-4.3.2-21.gz=>K12LTSP-4.2.0-disc2.iso=>Fedora/RPMS/rpm-devel-4.3.2-21.i386.rpm=>rpm-devel-4.3.2-21=>usr/share/doc/rpm-devel-4.3.2/apidocs/html/header_8h.html > > is infected with this: > > Trojan.Clicker.Qhost.A > > > Is this a false positive or really a virus. Probably just a false positive. Run "rpm -K rpm-devel-4.3.2-21.i386.rpm" to verify the signature and integrity of the package. If it says "NOT OK", your package has been modified and should be discarded & a fresh copy downloaded and verified. Just for kicks, I ran a copy through McAfee and it reported no problems. -Eric From bear2bar at netscape.net Sun Apr 10 14:42:38 2005 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (bear2bar at netscape.net) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 10:42:38 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp 4.2.1 & squid Message-ID: <6ADC0EF1.67124C87.0092C281@netscape.net> Hi & HELP !!! We had k12ltsp with Dansguardian working until someone pulled the plug, literally, on the servers and crashed them. We're trying to rebuild the k12ltsp server with web filtering and monitoring. Prevent the kids from going to inappropriate sites. So I tried Squid w SquidGuard with Webmin but have not been able t oget it working. amongst the many errors is "squid failed init_cache_dir /var/spool/squid failed". Any suggestions for an easy solution? thks norbert __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From bear2bar at netscape.net Sun Apr 10 14:46:03 2005 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (bear2bar at netscape.net) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 10:46:03 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Virus in one of the packages in 4.2? Message-ID: <2CB65195.1F867792.0092C281@netscape.net> Hi Eric, For anti virius scans I prefer Antivir www.free-av.com I find that it identifies more virius than any other package. norbert Eric Harrison wrote: >On Sun, 10 Apr 2005, AIMSSDA wrote: > >> I was scanning my samba file server when bitdefender came up with this report. >> >> Z:\ISO\K12LTSP-4.2.0-disc2.iso=>Fedora/RPMS/rpm-devel-4.3.2-21.i386.rpm=>rpm-devel-4.3.2-21.gz=>K12LTSP-4.2.0-disc2.iso=>Fedora/RPMS/rpm-devel-4.3.2-21.i386.rpm=>rpm-devel-4.3.2-21=>usr/share/doc/rpm-devel-4.3.2/apidocs/html/header_8h.html >> >> is infected with this: >> >> Trojan.Clicker.Qhost.A >> >> >> Is this a false positive or really a virus. > >Probably just a false positive. > >Run "rpm -K rpm-devel-4.3.2-21.i386.rpm" to verify the signature and >integrity of the package. If it says "NOT OK", your package has been >modified and should be discarded & a fresh copy downloaded and verified. > >Just for kicks, I ran a copy through McAfee and it reported no problems. > >-Eric > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Apr 10 15:05:21 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 08:05:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp 4.2.1 & squid In-Reply-To: <6ADC0EF1.67124C87.0092C281@netscape.net> References: <6ADC0EF1.67124C87.0092C281@netscape.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 bear2bar at netscape.net wrote: > Hi & HELP !!! > > We had k12ltsp with Dansguardian working until someone pulled the plug, literally, on the servers and crashed them. We're trying to rebuild the k12ltsp server with web filtering and monitoring. Prevent the kids from going to inappropriate sites. So I tried Squid w SquidGuard with Webmin but have not been able t oget it working. amongst the many errors is "squid failed init_cache_dir /var/spool/squid failed". > > Any suggestions for an easy solution? What do the log files say? /var/log/squid/cache.log /var/log/messages The squid cache log will usually give you the details of what is going on. If it is a SELinux issue, you will see "AVC" errors in /var/log/messages. -Eric From mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us Sun Apr 10 16:14:49 2005 From: mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us (mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 12:14:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Regressions after yum update In-Reply-To: References: <3653.192.168.0.21.1112983354.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> <1609.24.2.210.202.1113067068.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> Message-ID: <1649.24.2.210.202.1113149689.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> Hi Eric, I have downloaded the test xorg-x11 packages but cannot test them until I get into school on Monday. I will let you know. Regarding hwclock, the work around of adding the line CLOCKFLAGS="--directisa" to /etc/sysconfig/clock does work on our Dell PowerEdge 2800. Can I also ask a question. In /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit on about line 242, there is a test for the existence of /etc/sysconfig/clock. if [ -f /etc/sysconfig/clock ]; then . /etc/sysconfig/clock What does the "." on the second line do? There is a space after it. Mark Orenstein East Granby, CT School System > On Sat, 9 Apr 2005 mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us wrote: > >> After doing a yum update on Wed., I ran into problems. The following >> two >> issues may impact Dell PowerEdge uses. They certainly affected our Dell >> PowerEdge 2800. >> >> 1. Radeon 7000 video issue with the SMP kernel causes an almost >> immediate >> crash after logging into the graphics console. See bug 152648 in >> bugzilla. It does not impact the non-smp kernel. The problem is caused >> by the xorg-x11 updates. > > Just out of curiosity, did you try the test xorg-x11 packages listed > in the third bugzilla comment? > >> 2. hwclock problem in the updated kernel. See bug 144894 in bugzilla. > > There is a new kernel (2.6.11) in the Fedora testing queue. Hopefully > that will fix this one. > > Comment #7 in bugzilla lists two potential fixes/work-arounds. > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Apr 10 16:50:26 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 09:50:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Regressions after yum update In-Reply-To: <1649.24.2.210.202.1113149689.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> References: <3653.192.168.0.21.1112983354.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> <1609.24.2.210.202.1113067068.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> <1649.24.2.210.202.1113149689.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> Message-ID: On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us wrote: > Hi Eric, > > I have downloaded the test xorg-x11 packages but cannot test them until I > get into school on Monday. I will let you know. > > Regarding hwclock, the work around of adding the line > > CLOCKFLAGS="--directisa" > > to /etc/sysconfig/clock does work on our Dell PowerEdge 2800. > > Can I also ask a question. In /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit on about line 242, > there is a test for the existence of /etc/sysconfig/clock. > > if [ -f /etc/sysconfig/clock ]; then > . /etc/sysconfig/clock > > What does the "." on the second line do? There is a space after it. " . " is short-hand for "source", which you can think of as an "include" statement. ;-) >From the bash man page: . filename [arguments] source filename [arguments] Read and execute commands from filename in the current shell environment and return the exit status of the last command exe- cuted from filename. If filename does not contain a slash, file names in PATH are used to find the directory containing filename. The file searched for in PATH need not be exe- cutable. When bash is not in posix mode, the current directory is searched if no file is found in PATH. If the sourcepath option to the shopt builtin command is turned off, the PATH is not searched. If any arguments are supplied, they become the positional parameters when filename is executed. Otherwise the positional parameters are unchanged. The return status is the status of the last command exited within the script (0 if no commands are executed), and false if filename is not found or cannot be read. -Eric From edwardsj at leonardisd.net Sun Apr 10 20:46:03 2005 From: edwardsj at leonardisd.net (Jerome Edwards) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 15:46:03 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] VNC Stopped Working Message-ID: <3596.12.39.109.158.1113165963.squirrel@mail.leonardisd.net> On March 31 2005, our VNC server service stopped working on all four of our K12LTSP servers. We have them set for automatic updates and I?m think there was likely an update that caused this issue. The VNC viewer from the terminal does not work nor can we access the K12LTSP servers from a MS Windows computer via VNC. The service has been working fine then the next day, nothing! Our teachers like to be able to access a terminal window from K12LTSP from their MS Windows based computer. We are running 4.2.1 (I believe; nevertheless, it?s the latest version of K12LTSP). I have an older version of K12lTSP running simply as a file server and the VNC services works fine. Any ideas? Any input is great appreciated. Jerome Edwards Leonard ISD From bear2bar at netscape.net Sun Apr 10 21:25:34 2005 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (bear2bar at netscape.net) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 17:25:34 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp 4.2.1 & squid Message-ID: <2CFC79C9.7DFDDA7F.0092C281@netscape.net> Hi Eric, Thanks for the response. /var/log/squid/cache.log -> no such file or directory ! /var/log/messages [root at krypton ~]# service squid start init_cache_dir /var/spool/squid... /etc/init.d/squid: line 54: 22862 Aborted $SQUID -z -F -D >>/var/log/squid/squid.out 2>&1 Starting squid: /etc/init.d/squid: line 53: 22863 Aborted $SQUID $SQUID_OPTS >>/var/log/squid/squid.out 2>&1 [FAILED] and when I try to to a port redirect from Webmin I gety more errors.. h e l p norbert Eric Harrison wrote: >On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 bear2bar at netscape.net wrote: > >> Hi & HELP !!! >> >> We had k12ltsp with Dansguardian working until someone pulled the plug, literally, on the servers and crashed them. We're trying to rebuild the k12ltsp server with web filtering and monitoring. Prevent the kids from going to inappropriate sites. So I tried Squid w SquidGuard with Webmin but have not been able t oget it working. amongst the many errors is "squid failed init_cache_dir /var/spool/squid failed". >> >> Any suggestions for an easy solution? > >What do the log files say? > > ? ?/var/log/squid/cache.log > ? ?/var/log/messages > >The squid cache log will usually give you the details of what is going on. > >If it is a SELinux issue, you will see "AVC" errors in /var/log/messages. > >-Eric > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From bear2bar at netscape.net Sun Apr 10 21:32:22 2005 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (bear2bar at netscape.net) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 17:32:22 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] vnc & tightvnc Message-ID: <51C418A5.3A86262B.0092C281@netscape.net> Hi, This may be a dumb question but can k12ltsp version of vnc & server co-exist with tightvnc & server thks norbert __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Apr 10 22:20:04 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 15:20:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp 4.2.1 & squid In-Reply-To: <2CFC79C9.7DFDDA7F.0092C281@netscape.net> References: <2CFC79C9.7DFDDA7F.0092C281@netscape.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 bear2bar at netscape.net wrote: > Hi Eric, > > Thanks for the response. > > /var/log/squid/cache.log -> no such file or directory ! > /var/log/messages > > [root at krypton ~]# service squid start > init_cache_dir /var/spool/squid... /etc/init.d/squid: line 54: 22862 Aborted $SQUID -z -F -D >>/var/log/squid/squid.out 2>&1 > Starting squid: /etc/init.d/squid: line 53: 22863 Aborted $SQUID $SQUID_OPTS >>/var/log/squid/squid.out 2>&1 > [FAILED] What is in /var/log/squid/squid.out ? Line 54 of /etc/init.d/squid is where it tries to create the cache directories (the default is /var/spool/squid). It also is the first time that squid is called. So that means something is wrong with your cache directory or something is wrong with your squid config. The answer should be in /var/log/squid/squid.out. Take a look at /etc/squid/squid.conf and see if you have any custom cache_dir entries. If you do, verify that that the directory specified for each entry exists and is writable by the squid user. If there are no custom cache_dir entries, check /var/spool/squid You didn't mention AVC messages in /var/log/messages, so I assume it is not a SELinux problem. You can double-check by running this command and then try to start squid: echo 0 > /selinux/enforce /sbin/service squid start If squid then starts, let us know and we'll tell you how to fix it. Finally, there may be something wrong with your squid config. One thing I've seen is that broken DNS will break your squid config. Make sure you have the hostname/IP address entered in /etc/hosts and then try to start squid again. The DNS problem and any other squid-config related issue should show up in /var/log/squid/squid.out -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Apr 10 22:28:32 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 15:28:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] VNC Stopped Working In-Reply-To: <3596.12.39.109.158.1113165963.squirrel@mail.leonardisd.net> References: <3596.12.39.109.158.1113165963.squirrel@mail.leonardisd.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 10 Apr 2005, Jerome Edwards wrote: > On March 31 2005, our VNC server service stopped working on all four of > our K12LTSP servers. We have them set for automatic updates and I?m think > there was likely an update that caused this issue. The VNC viewer from the > terminal does not work nor can we access the K12LTSP servers from a MS > Windows computer via VNC. The service has been working fine then the next > day, nothing! Our teachers like to be able to access a terminal window > from K12LTSP from their MS Windows based computer. We are running 4.2.1 (I > believe; nevertheless, it?s the latest version of K12LTSP). I have an > older version of K12lTSP running simply as a file server and the VNC > services works fine. Any ideas? > Any input is great appreciated. > Jerome Edwards > Leonard ISD The quick answer: install the latest updates and restart xinetd: yum install updates /sbin/service xinetd restart The long answer: K12LTSP 4.2.1 turns on the Fedora Extra repository. The Fedora Extra repository contains a version of the vnc-ltsp-config that is disabled by default. If the Fedora Extra version is installed, vnc access will be shutoff the next time xinetd is reloaded. I put a new vnc-ltsp-config package in the K12LTSP repository that will re-enable vnc access by default. -Eric From cliebow at downeast.net Sun Apr 10 22:45:27 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 22:45:27 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] vnc & tightvnc Message-ID: <200504102139.j3ALd7G11963@downeast.net> norbert: one or the other..i use tight cauxe i depend on the vnc via command//chuck> Hi, > > This may be a dumb question but can k12ltsp version of vnc & server co-exist with tightvnc & server > > thks > norbert > > __________________________________________________________________ > Switch to Netscape Internet Service. > As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register > > Netscape. Just the Net You Need. > > New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer > Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. > Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From bear2bar at netscape.net Sun Apr 10 23:07:30 2005 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (bear2bar at netscape.net) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 19:07:30 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] vnc & tightvnc Message-ID: <16D4FBD3.213A34C1.0092C281@netscape.net> Hi Chuck, OK now for the really dumb question how do I get rid of k12ltsp VNC ? If I try rpm-e vnc or vnc-server I get a message that it is needed by k12ltsp-core ??? thks norbert cliebow at downeast.net wrote: >norbert: one or the other..i use tight cauxe i depend on the vnc via >command//chuck> Hi, >> >> This may be a dumb question but can k12ltsp version of vnc & server >co-exist with tightvnc >& server >> >> thks >> norbert >> >> __________________________________________________________________ >> Switch to Netscape Internet Service. >> As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register >> >> Netscape. Just the Net You Need. >> >> New! 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Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From cliebow at downeast.net Sun Apr 10 23:42:57 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 23:42:57 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] vnc & tightvnc Message-ID: <200504102236.j3AMabG16986@downeast.net> i beleive youd be safe doing rpm -e --nodeps then install toght > Hi Chuck, > > OK now for the really dumb question how do I get rid of k12ltsp VNC ? If I try rpm-e vnc or vnc-server I get a message that it is needed by k12ltsp-core ??? > > thks > norbert > > cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > > >norbert: one or the other..i use tight cauxe i depend on the vnc via > >command//chuck> Hi, > >> > >> This may be a dumb question but can k12ltsp version of vnc & server > >co-exist with tightvnc > >& server > >> > >> thks > >> norbert > >> > >> __________________________________________________________________ > >> Switch to Netscape Internet Service. > >> As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register > >> > >> Netscape. Just the Net You Need. > >> > >> New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer > >> Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. > >> Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see > >> > > > > > >--------------------------------------------- > >This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > >http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Switch to Netscape Internet Service. > As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register > > Netscape. Just the Net You Need. > > New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer > Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. > Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From arendsj at skokie69.k12.il.us Sun Apr 10 23:57:28 2005 From: arendsj at skokie69.k12.il.us (John Arends) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 18:57:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] berkeleydb on rhel Message-ID: I'm trying to set up squidguard on RHEL, but it needs berkeleydb. I was very surpriesd this wasn't included as part of the distribution. Before I go and try to compile it from scratch, has anyone found a better way? From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Apr 11 00:02:55 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 17:02:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] berkeleydb on rhel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, 10 Apr 2005, John Arends wrote: > I'm trying to set up squidguard on RHEL, but it needs berkeleydb. > I was very surpriesd this wasn't included as part of the distribution. > Before I go and try to compile it from scratch, has anyone found a > better way? Which version of RHEL and which version of squidGuard? The package is not called "berkeleydb", but db, db3, db4, or possibily compat-db, all depending on the various versions of software you have/trying to install. -Eric From phealy at dsta.net Mon Apr 11 00:10:42 2005 From: phealy at dsta.net (Patrick Healy) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 17:10:42 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC Stopped Working Message-ID: <1113178242.32425.11.camel@orion> "Jerome Edwards" wrote: On March 31 2005, our VNC server service stopped working... Hi Jerome, I just noticed the same problem. here's what I did to fix: as root, edit the file /etc/xinetd.d/vncts change "disable = yes" to "disable = no" where appropriate then: service xinetd restart did the trick. Hope this helps. Pat Healy Palm Desert High School From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Apr 11 01:34:35 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 18:34:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Status Message-ID: Hey folks, I'm going to delay putting out official K12LTSP 4.2.1 ISO images for at least another week. The main reason for this is that MESD is having an ISP problem that is limiting our out-bound bandwidth. This probably won't be fixed until next weekend. The k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us FTP/HTTP/RSYNC server is +90% of our out-bound bandwidth, I'm concerned that we won't have enough bandwidth for new ISOs. I would also like to do at least one more build. Several regressions have been reported that will be fixed. Adding new packages to the repositories before releasing the ISOs has been a useful excersize. Since there appears to be little interest in helping test out new builds, adding new packages to the repository first gives me a way to address regressions much faster than releasing a new set of ISOs. I would much rather catch regressions BEFORE unleasing them on the general public, but we've got to work with what resources we have. Right now I'm focusing on "MueKow" R&D. I have a rough implementation for FC3 and am starting work on a Ubuntu version. If all works out as well as I expect, the next major version of K12LTSP will support at least FC4, RHEL4, and Ubuntu 5.04 ;-) -Eric From jon.spriggs at gmail.com Mon Apr 11 09:44:46 2005 From: jon.spriggs at gmail.com (Jon Spriggs) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 10:44:46 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Seeking advice and help combining K12LTSP, OpenMosix and ThinStat In-Reply-To: References: <20050407232205.60975.qmail@web30309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <96df2e0b0504080055436e083b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <96df2e0b0504110244dcf0b90@mail.gmail.com> As much as I agree with you - I'm using K12LTSP for a training project for IT helpdesk users... if they can break it, they'll really try - even if it's just so they can try and work out how to get the internet working from in here, they'll try it! Grrr. Anyway... I understand what you're saying, and I'll give it a whirl. Does anyone know how to install on a terminal the cut down kernel that was mentioned in an earlier post? Thanks, Jon On Apr 8, 2005 2:41 PM, David Trask wrote: > Jon Spriggs on Friday, April 8, 2005 at 3:55 AM > +0000 wrote: > >Although individual users are clever, > >groups of users are usually dumb, and to maintain the KISS regime, I > >want to make the whole process as simple as possible to stop them from > >ballsing it all up... > > give your users a little more credit. I have a K-8 school and they do > just fine....the trick is to try and keep things as simple for them as > possible. We have one common log in....regardless of platform. Since we > use Samba/LDAP with K12LTSP the same username, password, and home dir > exists for each user regardless of platform. My kids always log in to > Linux...then if and when they need to go to Windows they simply click on > the menu item in IceWM (you can make one for Gnome or KDE if need > be)....and away they go. Quite simple really and they all manage to do it > just fine. (We have about 700 users) Using ThinStation is probably going > to be overkill and add one more thing to the chain that probably doesn't > need to be there. Just my $.02. > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > -- Jon "Four Star Gun" Spriggs AKA Jon "The Nice Guy" Spriggs From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Mon Apr 11 11:21:08 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 12:21:08 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Gosa management tool for LDAP & Samba Message-ID: <02b001c53e88$8f523150$65c8a8c0@brianwork> I've been looking at various LDAP / Samba management tools and I've just come across this on https://gosa.gonicus.de called GOSA. Has anyone tried it ?? Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us Mon Apr 11 14:04:14 2005 From: mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us (mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 10:04:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Regressions after yum update In-Reply-To: References: <3653.192.168.0.21.1112983354.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> <1609.24.2.210.202.1113067068.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> <1649.24.2.210.202.1113149689.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> Message-ID: <3421.192.168.0.21.1113228254.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> Hi again Eric, The updated xorg-x11 rpm's still cause a crash with an smp kernel. Below is my add on to the bug 152648. "I am having the same problem with a Dell 2800. The problem only occurs with an smp kernel. I do not have the problem with a non smp kernel. I tried the FC3.13.fdo1912 RPM's and the crash still occurs almost immediately after I enter my user name and password into the graphics console (level 5). With the above RPM's, I commented out the load "dri" line in /etc/X11/xorg.conf and, with this change and with the smp kernel, this is a workaround." > On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us wrote: > >> Hi Eric, >> >> I have downloaded the test xorg-x11 packages but cannot test them until >> I >> get into school on Monday. I will let you know. >> >> Regarding hwclock, the work around of adding the line >> >> CLOCKFLAGS="--directisa" >> >> to /etc/sysconfig/clock does work on our Dell PowerEdge 2800. >> >> Can I also ask a question. In /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit on about line 242, >> there is a test for the existence of /etc/sysconfig/clock. >> >> if [ -f /etc/sysconfig/clock ]; then >> . /etc/sysconfig/clock >> >> What does the "." on the second line do? There is a space after it. > > " . " is short-hand for "source", which you can think of as an "include" > statement. ;-) > >>From the bash man page: > > . filename [arguments] > source filename [arguments] > Read and execute commands from filename in the current > shell > environment and return the exit status of the last command > exe- > cuted from filename. If filename does not contain a > slash, > file names in PATH are used to find the directory > containing > filename. The file searched for in PATH need not be > exe- > cutable. When bash is not in posix mode, the current > directory > is searched if no file is found in PATH. If the > sourcepath > option to the shopt builtin command is turned off, the PATH > is > not searched. If any arguments are supplied, they become > the > positional parameters when filename is executed. Otherwise > the > positional parameters are unchanged. The return status is > the > status of the last command exited within the script (0 if > no > commands are executed), and false if filename is not > found or > cannot be read. > > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jon.spriggs at gmail.com Mon Apr 11 14:28:37 2005 From: jon.spriggs at gmail.com (Jon Spriggs) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 15:28:37 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Seeking advice and help combining K12LTSP, OpenMosix and ThinStation to create one large project In-Reply-To: <20050407232205.60975.qmail@web30309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050407232205.60975.qmail@web30309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <96df2e0b05041107281371661e@mail.gmail.com> Chris (and the rest of the list...) Is there any way to install this cut-down 2.4 kernel on workstations as I don't have direct control of the network, nor the DHCP/TFTP server :( Failing that, is there a boot disk, ISO image or something similar I can use to retrive said image to the workstation and boot it from there? Thanks, Jon On Apr 8, 2005 12:22 AM, Chris Thomas wrote: > Hello, > > K12LTSP is Fedora based but the terminals don't load > fedora linux. The treminal runs on a totally different > os than the server. They load a special stripped-down > version of linux based on the 2.4 kernel. If you > google arround for LTSP and OpenMosix you will find > tutorials and some special kernals that have OpenMosix > support already compiled in. To be real nice, I will > include one link on the LTSP page: > > http://www.ltsp.org/contrib/ltsp-om5r3c.html > > I hope this helps. > > Chris > > --- Jon Spriggs wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Over the past year or so, I've been very interested > > in the Thinstation > > and K12LTSP projects, and in the last couple of > > weeks, the OpenMosix > > project has interested me even further... > > > > I know that there were HowTo: documents for > > incorporating OpenMosix > > into K12LTSP version 3.x, but I know that K12LTSP is > > now on version > > 4.2 - will this make a big difference? > > > > I've noticed that OpenMosix works with the 2.4.26 > > kernel, but K12LTSP > > is based on Fedora Core 3 - which uses a 2.6 based > > kernel. I'm not a > > kernel hacker (infact, I've only ever had one > > successful > > kernel-build), so I don't really know how much > > difference there is > > between a 2.4 kernel and a 2.6 kernel. Would there > > be much to gain (or > > lose?) from regressing the K12LTSP 2.6 based kernel > > to a 2.4 kernel? > > > > I know that for OpenMosix to work correctly, it > > needs the same kernel > > version between all kernels on the cluster - > > therefore, I presume I'd > > need to build the same kernel for the Thinstation > > project (so chosen > > because I may be using both Windows and Linux > > terminal servers on my > > estate). Is it particularly difficult to build a > > kernel with OpenMosix > > in for Thinstation? Would it be worth approaching > > the Thinstation > > developer team about building an OpenMosix based > > package? Maybe even > > asking them to include the OpenMosix packages into > > the Kernels they > > distribute. > > > > Essentially, what I'm not looking to do here is > > build a new project > > from scratch - I'm far too disorganised and lose my > > focus a little too > > quickly for that, but what I'd like to do is > > organise three mutually > > compatible projects into one core product which can > > be used to help > > the educational world teach and learn, and to help > > the business world > > work smarter with the increased drive towards server > > based computing. > > > > I know this work is already done as individual > > projects, and K12LTSP > > already does some of the work that Thinstation does, > > but Thinstation > > allows you to have a local filesystem, without being > > overly dependent > > on DHCP and TFTP servers. Maybe I'm being a little > > overly ambitious, > > but I think this could be a really great project. > > > > I'd welcome any comments, positive or negative - > > especially from > > anyone who may have done any work along the same > > lines, or who can > > suggest alternative projects which may also fall > > well into the same > > tree? > > > > -- > > Jon "The Nice Guy" Spriggs > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Jon "Four Star Gun" Spriggs AKA Jon "The Nice Guy" Spriggs From adow at cameron.k12.mo.us Mon Apr 11 15:30:44 2005 From: adow at cameron.k12.mo.us (Al Dow) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 10:30:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Documentation In-Reply-To: <96df2e0b05041107281371661e@mail.gmail.com> References: <20050407232205.60975.qmail@web30309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <96df2e0b05041107281371661e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <425A9824.7040708@cameron.k12.mo.us> Are there any websites with good documentation on K12LTSP? From dhuckaby at paasda.org Mon Apr 11 15:03:18 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 08:03:18 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] anyone have usb/pen drives working? In-Reply-To: <001001c53c92$4b7d93e0$01fea8c0@brcHOST> References: <001001c53c92$4b7d93e0$01fea8c0@brcHOST> Message-ID: <425A91B6.5070902@paasda.org> [root at ltsp rc.d]# cat usbstart #!/bin/bash # # First, since floppyd runs as nobody, make /tmp world accessible. # chmod 777 /tmp mkdir /tmp/dev chmod 777 /tmp/dev # # Second, probe for the floppy # #modprobe scsi_mod #modprobe sg modprobe usb-storage # # Third, make the floppy world accessible. # mknod /tmp/dev/sdb b 8 0 mknod /tmp/dev/sdb1 b 8 1 chmod 666 /tmp/dev/sd* # # Finally, start floppyd. # floppyd -d /tmp/dev/sdb1 that is the script from /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.d directory file 'usbstart'... --Huck Barry R Cisna wrote: > Hello List, > > Does anyone have a good /surefire fix,,for using usb/pen drives on > K12LTSP 4.2.0? > Id like to use this ,along with floppy access ,as well, just to keep > everyone,in the school happy. > > I did have usbdrives, working on 4.1.1 a few moons ago but updtaed all > servers to 4.2.0 and now,I cant get usb /pen drives to see MtoolsFM,,utilty? > Don't knwo why,,either:(.. > > Any recipes,,for a fix to this? > > Thanks,, > > Barry CIsna > RR1 Box 213 > Gladstone, IL 61437 > > brcisna at frontiernet.net > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From adammelancon at gmail.com Mon Apr 11 15:03:49 2005 From: adammelancon at gmail.com (Adam Melancon) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 10:03:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Documentation In-Reply-To: <425A9824.7040708@cameron.k12.mo.us> References: <20050407232205.60975.qmail@web30309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <96df2e0b05041107281371661e@mail.gmail.com> <425A9824.7040708@cameron.k12.mo.us> Message-ID: <489287610504110803382cd09f@mail.gmail.com> http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/ http://k12ltsp.org/contents.html http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net/index.htm (can be found in the wiki above) On Apr 11, 2005 10:30 AM, Al Dow wrote: > Are there any websites with good documentation on K12LTSP? > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Adam Melancon Work: http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us Personal: http://www.melancon.org From melliott at rpmhealthstop.org Mon Apr 11 16:42:53 2005 From: melliott at rpmhealthstop.org (Michael Elliott) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 12:42:53 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Still having local printing issue Message-ID: <425AA90D.7080104@rpmhealthstop.org> Hello everyone, I apologize for emailing once more, but I am still having an issue adding a printer to a terminal system. A bit of background: I have two identical hardware setups for K12LTSP 4.0. I made a duplicate of my original K12LTSP to the second which I intend to use at a different office. With that said, I did change the IP addresses of both NICs in the system. I am trying to setup a local HP Deskjet 842c printer on a generic PC that has an Intel CA810E motherboard and 3Com NIC. I am able to add the printer through the Fedora printer configuration applet as a JetDirect pointing to the IP of the computer, which I have mapped to the MAC address in dhcpd.conf. However, when I attempt the CUPS test print, nothing happens. The printer status reads - "Network host '192.168.0.154' busy: will try again in X seconds." I am dual booting the system, and I can print to the local printer through Windows. On the original system I had a similar message about a year ago - I changed my lts.conf from: [ws154] ~ Actual MAC Address ~ PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/lp0 PRINTER_0_TYPE = P to: [ws154] PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/lp0 PRINTER_0_TYPE = P This change solved the issue on the original system. I tried this on the second system with and without the MAC address section. Neither helped. I updated the system BIOS and changed the printer port from Bi-directional to ECP. Did not help either. The last time I tried I did say that the test print failed and I was given an error log: - Adding start banner page "none" to job 1489 - Adding end banner page "non" to job 1489 - Job 1489 queued on 'DJ842C' by 'root' - Started filter /usr/lib/cups/filter/pstops (PID 28105) for job 1489 - Started filter /usr/lib/cups/filter/foomatic-rip (PID 28106) for job 1489 - Started backend /usr/lib/cups/backend/socket (PID 28107) for job 1489 The original system works correctly with no issues. The second (which is having the above problem) I have added an actual HP JetDirect print queue which works correctly as well. Any advice would be greatly appreciated, Thanks, Michael From julius at turtle.com Mon Apr 11 19:30:13 2005 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 15:30:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] users kicked out on 4.2.1 Message-ID: Dear Folks, after upgrading my 3.2.0 production server to 4.2.1 (pre), I started experiencing sudden user logouts and station inability to get a login screen. This looks as if the MaxSessions in gdm.conf was too low, but the bad behavior continues after changing this number from 250 to 2500 and rebooting. What am I missing here? The users are beginning to riot. thanks, julius From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Mon Apr 11 20:15:16 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 15:15:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] users kicked out on 4.2.1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3e5a43758f473c5d6bab5461934ffcd3@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Is NFS swap turned on? On Apr 11, 2005, at 2:30 PM, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > Dear Folks, > after upgrading my 3.2.0 production server to 4.2.1 (pre), I > started experiencing sudden user logouts and station inability to get a > login screen. This looks as if the MaxSessions in gdm.conf was > too low, but the bad behavior continues after changing this number from > 250 to 2500 and rebooting. What am I missing here? The users are > beginning > to riot. > thanks, julius > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkJa2tQACgkQfqZR3ThMfXTDVACeI0vhqM/Y+Q2ogTS0umGh2dE6 jAUAnjtljO2YMDhtO+a/mp3aQ6b296N6 =XdVj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From julius at turtle.com Mon Apr 11 20:40:21 2005 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 16:40:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] users kicked out on 4.2.1 In-Reply-To: <3e5a43758f473c5d6bab5461934ffcd3@mindfirestudios.com> References: <3e5a43758f473c5d6bab5461934ffcd3@mindfirestudios.com> Message-ID: <56525.216.216.171.3.1113252021.squirrel@216.216.171.3> > Is NFS swap turned on? > > On Apr 11, 2005, at 2:30 PM, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > >> Dear Folks, >> after upgrading my 3.2.0 production server to 4.2.1 (pre), I >> started experiencing sudden user logouts and station inability to get a >> login screen. This looks as if the MaxSessions in gdm.conf was >> too low, but the bad behavior continues after changing this number from >> 250 to 2500 and rebooting. What am I missing here? The users are >> beginning >> to riot. > No, NFS swap is not on, as most stations have 128MB memory, plus they worked well with the 3.1.2 (not 3.2.0) and the 25000 MaxSessions parameter. From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Mon Apr 11 20:46:29 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (jconlon1 at elp.rr.com) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 13:46:29 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Tuxpaint saving location Message-ID: In the tuxpaint.conf file there are some lines that talk about saving in an alternate location. Removing the # from the front of the line and altering the line to the desired location does not work. The original line is as follows: save-~/.tuxpaint/saved The desired line is: saved=~/home/desktop What am I doing wrong? Do I need to copy and paste this line someplace else? How do I solve this problem. I am running K12LTSP 4.2.2 with the most current updates. Thanks Pat From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Mon Apr 11 20:48:53 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 15:48:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] users kicked out on 4.2.1 In-Reply-To: <56525.216.216.171.3.1113252021.squirrel@216.216.171.3> References: <3e5a43758f473c5d6bab5461934ffcd3@mindfirestudios.com> <56525.216.216.171.3.1113252021.squirrel@216.216.171.3> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I wouldn't think you'd need it with that much memory, but it might be worth trying. When do they get "kicked off"? On Apr 11, 2005, at 3:40 PM, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: >> > No, NFS swap is not on, as most stations have 128MB memory, plus they > worked well with the 3.1.2 (not 3.2.0) and the 25000 MaxSessions > parameter. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkJa4rUACgkQfqZR3ThMfXT+PwCgipG362lwZeDK3nVgzq6MPD07 j04An1REM4lLZLJdEaqF30m1Me6TU36v =dZMr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From julius at turtle.com Mon Apr 11 20:58:14 2005 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 16:58:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] users kicked out on 4.2.1 In-Reply-To: References: <3e5a43758f473c5d6bab5461934ffcd3@mindfirestudios.com> <56525.216.216.171.3.1113252021.squirrel@216.216.171.3> Message-ID: <56543.216.216.171.3.1113253094.squirrel@216.216.171.3> > > I wouldn't think you'd need it with that much memory, but it might be > worth trying. > When do they get "kicked off"? > > On Apr 11, 2005, at 3:40 PM, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: >>> >> No, NFS swap is not on, as most stations have 128MB memory, plus they >> worked well with the 3.1.2 (not 3.2.0) and the 25000 MaxSessions >> parameter. > This is a very random event. A few users, not all the same every time, other than one with 64MB station. get kicked off the system - as in the mouse and keyboard stop responding and after about a minute the station gets a grey screen. Anybody trying to get a login screen at this time gets only a grey screen. The system seems ok, no problems on other workstations, no obvious messages in logs. I upgraded the 64MB station to 256MB, the problem has not manifested itself for the second time today. It happend on Thursday, Friday and today. the server is a dual Xeon Gateway with 4GB, only 25 users, typical mix is 1 terminal window open everywhere, Mozilla or Firefox, a bit of kfax viewer, some evolution, a few OO users. From tlegge at rogers.com Mon Apr 11 21:05:43 2005 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 18:05:43 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] users kicked out on 4.2.1 In-Reply-To: <56543.216.216.171.3.1113253094.squirrel@216.216.171.3> References: <3e5a43758f473c5d6bab5461934ffcd3@mindfirestudios.com> <56525.216.216.171.3.1113252021.squirrel@216.216.171.3> <56543.216.216.171.3.1113253094.squirrel@216.216.171.3> Message-ID: <425AE6A7.9060605@rogers.com> Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: >>I wouldn't think you'd need it with that much memory, but it might be >>worth trying. >>When do they get "kicked off"? >> >>On Apr 11, 2005, at 3:40 PM, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: >> >>>No, NFS swap is not on, as most stations have 128MB memory, plus they >>>worked well with the 3.1.2 (not 3.2.0) and the 25000 MaxSessions >>>parameter. >> > This is a very random event. A few users, not all the same every time, > other than one with 64MB station. get kicked off the system - as in the > mouse and keyboard stop responding and after about a minute the station > gets a grey screen. Anybody trying to get a login screen at this time gets > only a grey screen. The system seems ok, no problems on other > workstations, no obvious messages in logs. > I upgraded the 64MB station to 256MB, the problem has not manifested > itself for the second time today. It happend on Thursday, Friday and > today. the server is a dual Xeon Gateway with 4GB, only 25 users, typical > mix is 1 terminal window open everywhere, Mozilla or Firefox, a bit of > kfax viewer, some evolution, a few OO users. I was having a similar issue. I had several client defined in dhcpd.conf with the same ip address. Tim From nbs at sonic.net Mon Apr 11 22:03:14 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 15:03:14 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Tuxpaint saving location In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050411220314.GA27792@sonic.net> On Mon, Apr 11, 2005 at 01:46:29PM -0700, jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > In the tuxpaint.conf file there are some lines that talk about saving in an alternate location. Removing the # from the front of the line and altering the line to the desired location does not work. > > The original line is as follows: > save-~/.tuxpaint/saved Hrm, that looks wrong. > The desired line is: > saved=~/home/desktop As does this. :^/ In either case, the line should be "savedir=...", and I'm actually not 100% sure that a "~" will work in this case. (I can't remember if that's just a shell nicety or if the C "fopen()" call inside Tux Paint will be able to figure out that "~" maps to, say, "/home/someperson".) > What am I doing wrong? > Do I need to copy and paste this line someplace else? Anywehre in that file should work. :^) > How do I solve this problem. > > I am running K12LTSP 4.2.2 with the most current updates. Try with "savedir=" and see if that works. (Now that I think of it, if "~" or "$HOME" don't end up getting processed as we expect, I should add some code inside Tux Paint to do it for us.) Admittedly, the "savedir" option originally came about to allow for "H:\somefolder\" specifications in Tux Paint under Windows, which would explain why it's not very well-tested. :) -- -bill! bill at newbreedsoftware.com "I'm anticipating an all-out tactical http://newbreedsoftware.com/ dog-fight, followed by a light dinner." From daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se Tue Apr 12 00:21:59 2005 From: daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se (Daniel Hedblom) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 02:21:59 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] users kicked out on 4.2.1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1113265319.425b14a73d988@www.rixnet.se> I have had similar experiences with my installation. I havent found out what triggers it and the logs aint telling me whats up. Sometimes it looks as if one hung station (hung while booting) can hang the others also booting. /daniel Citerar Julius Szelagiewicz : > Dear Folks, > after upgrading my 3.2.0 production server to 4.2.1 (pre), I > started experiencing sudden user logouts and station inability to get a > login screen. This looks as if the MaxSessions in gdm.conf was > too low, but the bad behavior continues after changing this number from > 250 to 2500 and rebooting. What am I missing here? The users are beginning > to riot. > thanks, julius > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > Ne auderis delere orbem rigidum meum! ('< ----------------+------------------------------- /V\ Daniel Hedblom | Nipanskolan <(_) ----------------+ Solleftea /__ /\ __~~__________________Network_Technician__](__=_`)___ From jbuch7 at eq.edu.au Tue Apr 12 01:20:34 2005 From: jbuch7 at eq.edu.au (Joel Buchan) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 11:20:34 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Pam Mount Multiple Connections Message-ID: <425B2262.5080204@eq.edu.au> Hey Everyone hope you can help me out I have set up a small lab of 6 terminals and using this guide http://math.univ-lille1.fg/~hafidi/terminal-services/index.html I have been able to authenticate to a Windows 2003 server as well as pam mounting the users home dirs. The problem I am having is if more than one user is logs in Pam mount seems to fail it doesn't mount their home drive, so it seems to me that it only works for one user at a time, is this normal? As soon as the user (the one that Pam mount worked for) logs out and their home directory is unmounted everything is fine again for the next lucky user but only the first one. Any one have any ideas? I feel that I am so close to getting it working in a way that the administration would be happy and I would be able to expand and bring more labs online. Thanks is advance. Joel Buchan IT Tech Springwood State High School Queensland Australia From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Tue Apr 12 01:39:06 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 18:39:06 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Pam Mount Multiple Connections In-Reply-To: <425B2262.5080204@eq.edu.au> References: <425B2262.5080204@eq.edu.au> Message-ID: > Hey Everyone hope you can help me out I have set up a small lab of 6 > terminals and using this guide > http://math.univ-lille1.fg/~hafidi/terminal-services/index.html I have That link didn't work for me... -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct From jbuch7 at eq.edu.au Tue Apr 12 01:39:37 2005 From: jbuch7 at eq.edu.au (Joel Buchan) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 11:39:37 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Pam Mount Multiple Connections In-Reply-To: References: <425B2262.5080204@eq.edu.au> Message-ID: <425B26D9.4010601@eq.edu.au> Steve Hargadon wrote: >>Hey Everyone hope you can help me out I have set up a small lab of 6 >>terminals and using this guide >>http://math.univ-lille1.fg/~hafidi/terminal-services/index.html I have >> >> > >That link didn't work for me... > > > Opps try this http://math.univ-lille1.fr/~hafidi/terminal-services/ From jon.spriggs at gmail.com Tue Apr 12 06:56:45 2005 From: jon.spriggs at gmail.com (Jon Spriggs) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 07:56:45 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin Workstations on K12LTSP. Message-ID: <96df2e0b050411235662b4b0f5@mail.gmail.com> All, Is there any way to install the cut-down 2.4 kernel to the hard disks on workstations as I don't have direct control of the network, nor the DHCP/TFTP server :( Failing that, is there a boot disk, ISO image or something similar I can use to retrive said image to the workstation and boot it from there? -- Jon "Four Star Gun" Spriggs AKA Jon "The Nice Guy" Spriggs From jessemcdonnell at comcast.net Tue Apr 12 12:55:34 2005 From: jessemcdonnell at comcast.net (jessemcdonnell at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 12:55:34 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] [OT] Linux on TC1000 tablet PC Message-ID: <041220051255.8562.425BC5450007F8A700002172220588911604040A0202010B0C030A9C9C0A06@comcast.net> I'm trying to help one of our students get linux dual booting on their Compaq TC1000 tablet (Transmeta processor). The hard drive install from the Knoppix 3.7 cd worked fine after disabling pcmcia initiation. Using lilo with the NT bootloader, the kernel loading doesn't complete - I get a series of dots and then it stops (partially loaded kernel). Anyone on the list have a tc1000 working and/or any suggestions? Thanks! Jesse McDonnell PS: Tried the K12LTSP-4.2.0 install but it didn't boot either. It also couldn't identify the monitor so I went back to knoppix/debian. From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Tue Apr 12 13:12:54 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 06:12:54 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/linuxunix/0, 39020390, 39194575, 00.htm Message-ID: "Mark Shuttleworth, the founder of Ubuntu, told ZDNet UK on Monday that the next release will include a version tailored for the thin client environment. This will allow the Linux distribution to be used on low specification PCs that don't have a hard drive." -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Apr 12 13:18:57 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 09:18:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/linuxunix/0, 39020390, =?ISO-8859-1?Q? 39194575, _?= 00 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 'Tis true....Jim and Eric have been meeting with Mark about tailoring LTSP to work with Ubuntu....I think that's awesome....Ubuntu gives me a warm fuzzy feeling. From julius at turtle.com Tue Apr 12 13:23:42 2005 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 09:23:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] users kicked out on 4.2.1 In-Reply-To: <425AE6A7.9060605@rogers.com> References: <3e5a43758f473c5d6bab5461934ffcd3@mindfirestudios.com> <56525.216.216.171.3.1113252021.squirrel@216.216.171.3> <56543.216.216.171.3.1113253094.squirrel@216.216.171.3> <425AE6A7.9060605@rogers.com> Message-ID: <1119.216.216.171.3.1113312222.squirrel@216.216.171.3> > Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: >>>I wouldn't think you'd need it with that much memory, but it might be >>>worth trying. >>>When do they get "kicked off"? >>> >>>On Apr 11, 2005, at 3:40 PM, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: >>> >>>>No, NFS swap is not on, as most stations have 128MB memory, plus they >>>>worked well with the 3.1.2 (not 3.2.0) and the 25000 MaxSessions >>>>parameter. >>> >> This is a very random event. A few users, not all the same every time, >> other than one with 64MB station. get kicked off the system - as in the >> mouse and keyboard stop responding and after about a minute the station >> gets a grey screen. Anybody trying to get a login screen at this time >> gets >> only a grey screen. The system seems ok, no problems on other >> workstations, no obvious messages in logs. >> I upgraded the 64MB station to 256MB, the problem has not manifested >> itself for the second time today. It happend on Thursday, Friday and >> today. the server is a dual Xeon Gateway with 4GB, only 25 users, >> typical >> mix is 1 terminal window open everywhere, Mozilla or Firefox, a bit of >> kfax viewer, some evolution, a few OO users. > > I was having a similar issue. I had several client defined in > dhcpd.conf with the same ip address. > > Tim > We are very strict here - one address is all you get :-) still searching for the cause, because this is literally a show-stopper. julius From adow at cameron.k12.mo.us Tue Apr 12 15:08:32 2005 From: adow at cameron.k12.mo.us (Al Dow) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 10:08:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] School Size In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <425BE470.4000706@cameron.k12.mo.us> What size school do most of you have? We have 1700 students and 500 computers. We are looking at setting up the labs and libraries with K12LTSP - about 150 computers. Of course I'm fighting an uphill battle with the teachers, administrators and school board. They all think we should use Windows Terminals even though the expense will be 3-4 times greater for the project. They also say that only really small schools would use K12LTSP. Thus the above question. Thanks. Al Dow From jon.spriggs at gmail.com Tue Apr 12 14:30:22 2005 From: jon.spriggs at gmail.com (Jon Spriggs) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 15:30:22 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] users kicked out on 4.2.1 In-Reply-To: <1119.216.216.171.3.1113312222.squirrel@216.216.171.3> References: <3e5a43758f473c5d6bab5461934ffcd3@mindfirestudios.com> <56525.216.216.171.3.1113252021.squirrel@216.216.171.3> <56543.216.216.171.3.1113253094.squirrel@216.216.171.3> <425AE6A7.9060605@rogers.com> <1119.216.216.171.3.1113312222.squirrel@216.216.171.3> Message-ID: <96df2e0b050412073026269199@mail.gmail.com> Do you use switches or hubs? If switches, is the server's NIC set to half or full duplex or "Auto Negotiate"... it might be worth checking the switches config and see if that's set to half/full/autoneg as well, as this causes us all sorts of problems at work. Also, try running a continous ping against the server, and check used bandwidth to the server. Hope that helps (not confuses) Jon Spriggs On Apr 12, 2005 2:23 PM, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > > Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > >>>I wouldn't think you'd need it with that much memory, but it might be > >>>worth trying. > >>>When do they get "kicked off"? > >>> > >>>On Apr 11, 2005, at 3:40 PM, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > >>> > >>>>No, NFS swap is not on, as most stations have 128MB memory, plus they > >>>>worked well with the 3.1.2 (not 3.2.0) and the 25000 MaxSessions > >>>>parameter. > >>> > >> This is a very random event. A few users, not all the same every time, > >> other than one with 64MB station. get kicked off the system - as in the > >> mouse and keyboard stop responding and after about a minute the station > >> gets a grey screen. Anybody trying to get a login screen at this time > >> gets > >> only a grey screen. The system seems ok, no problems on other > >> workstations, no obvious messages in logs. > >> I upgraded the 64MB station to 256MB, the problem has not manifested > >> itself for the second time today. It happend on Thursday, Friday and > >> today. the server is a dual Xeon Gateway with 4GB, only 25 users, > >> typical > >> mix is 1 terminal window open everywhere, Mozilla or Firefox, a bit of > >> kfax viewer, some evolution, a few OO users. > > > > I was having a similar issue. I had several client defined in > > dhcpd.conf with the same ip address. > > > > Tim > > > We are very strict here - one address is all you get :-) > still searching for the cause, because this is literally a show-stopper. > julius > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Jon "Four Star Gun" Spriggs AKA Jon "The Nice Guy" Spriggs From tlegge at rogers.com Tue Apr 12 15:32:55 2005 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 12:32:55 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] users kicked out on 4.2.1 In-Reply-To: <1119.216.216.171.3.1113312222.squirrel@216.216.171.3> References: <3e5a43758f473c5d6bab5461934ffcd3@mindfirestudios.com> <56525.216.216.171.3.1113252021.squirrel@216.216.171.3> <56543.216.216.171.3.1113253094.squirrel@216.216.171.3> <425AE6A7.9060605@rogers.com> <1119.216.216.171.3.1113312222.squirrel@216.216.171.3> Message-ID: <425BEA27.40701@rogers.com> > We are very strict here - one address is all you get :-) > still searching for the cause, because this is literally a show-stopper. > julius For me, it was a copy paste issue. I was setting up several mac addresses to get a specific filename and ip address. When I pasted the section in several times, I remembered to update the hardware ethernet not the ip address. So, this worked fine until someone turned on a pc that was assigned a duplicate address via dhcp. Then everything stopped. Tim From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Apr 12 15:41:59 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 11:41:59 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Skype on K12LTSP Message-ID: Anyone tried running Skype on K12LTSP? I'm curious about things...how would one use a microphone at the local terminal and so forth...it'd be a cool way to communicate between classrooms if it can be done. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From jam at mcquil.com Tue Apr 12 15:57:43 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 11:57:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/linuxunix/0, 39020390, 39194575, 00.htm In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Steve, Cool stuff. This is why there's 4 of us heading to Sydney next week for the Ubuntu developers meeting. 2 from LTSP.org and 2 from k12ltsp.org. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Tue, 12 Apr 2005, Steve Hargadon wrote: > "Mark Shuttleworth, the founder of Ubuntu, told ZDNet UK on Monday > that the next release will include a version tailored for the thin > client environment. This will allow the Linux distribution to be used > on low specification PCs that don't have a hard drive." > -- > Steve Hargadon > 916-899-1400 direct > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Tue Apr 12 16:03:55 2005 From: ltsp at symbio-technologies.com (Gideon Romm) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 12:03:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] School Size In-Reply-To: <425BE470.4000706@cameron.k12.mo.us> References: <425BE470.4000706@cameron.k12.mo.us> Message-ID: <1113321834.4383.9.camel@lts01.nr.symbio.com> CAVEAT: I usually don't post like this, so I apologize if this comes off too self promoting. Al, This is one of the main reasons why we (Symbio Technologies) developed the Symbiont Boot Appliance. This appliance can be placed either in each classroom or in a central server closet in the school and boots the terminals thru LTSP and connects them to application servers of almost *any* type, including WTS and Linux terminal servers. It is a great alternative to traditional thin clients connecting to Windows *or* Linux. More importantly, it can be used as a very effective "wedge" technology to get LTSP into the school first connecting to Windows exclusively and then introduce a Linux application server at a later date. You don't even need to tell them that the SBA is Linux! It is just like a router - just another appliance ... Plus, it can make the Linux side easier, as well, because the Linux application servers that you drop in only need XDMCP enabled. No need for LTSP on any of them. This way, if you want to experiment with other distributions or upgrade application servers and take them down, you don't need to migrate the LTSP settings along with the servers. We envision racks with: Boot Appliance, Authentication/File Server, and application servers of various flavors. And you can control which workstations go to which servers thru the SBA's web-based interface. Again, sorry for the sales pitch, but the situation you're in is exactly the kind that we are trying to build products for.... Best regards and good luck with whatever approach you take! -Gideon On Tue, 2005-04-12 at 11:08, Al Dow wrote: > What size school do most of you have? > > We have 1700 students and 500 computers. We are looking at setting up > the labs and libraries with K12LTSP - about 150 computers. Of course > I'm fighting an uphill battle with the teachers, administrators and > school board. They all think we should use Windows Terminals even > though the expense will be 3-4 times greater for the project. They also > say that only really small schools would use K12LTSP. Thus the above > question. > > Thanks. > > Al Dow > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- -------------------------------------------------------- Gideon Romm | Product R&D gideon at symbio-technologies.com Symbio Technologies o:(914) 576-1205 134 North Ave, Suites E&F f:(914) 576-0944 New Rochelle, NY 10801 c:(914) 774-4691 www.symbio-technologies.com www.thesymbiont.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mr.rcollins at gmail.com Tue Apr 12 16:20:47 2005 From: mr.rcollins at gmail.com (Ryan Collins) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 12:20:47 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] School Size In-Reply-To: <425BE470.4000706@cameron.k12.mo.us> References: <425BE470.4000706@cameron.k12.mo.us> Message-ID: On Apr 12, 2005 11:08 AM, Al Dow wrote: > What size school do most of you have? > > We have 1700 students and 500 computers. We are looking at setting up > the labs and libraries with K12LTSP - about 150 computers. Of course > I'm fighting an uphill battle with the teachers, administrators and > school board. We are 2,100 students and around 600 computers. Will you have some non-terminal labs? -- Ryan Collins Technology Coordinator - Kenton City Schools http://www.kentoncityschools.org/ From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Apr 12 17:25:28 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 10:25:28 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] School Size In-Reply-To: <425BE470.4000706@cameron.k12.mo.us> References: <425BE470.4000706@cameron.k12.mo.us> Message-ID: <425C0488.7010902@paasda.org> Here we serve ~240 students, only about 30 LTSP clients, 22 MS-XP, 10 Mac OS/X, but all student data/authentication is on the LTSP server, Windows/Mac/thin client authentication, all student home directories, all print quotas. We only have room on our campus for about 10-20 more stations anywhere. So the single beefy server build last year is going to be enough to do whatever we need. Something I have noticed is that of most of the schools I talk to the ratio of students to workstations is about 3:1, usually limited by physical space. I'm wondering if this is accurate? --Huck Al Dow wrote: > What size school do most of you have? > > We have 1700 students and 500 computers. We are looking at setting up > the labs and libraries with K12LTSP - about 150 computers. Of course > I'm fighting an uphill battle with the teachers, administrators and > school board. They all think we should use Windows Terminals even > though the expense will be 3-4 times greater for the project. They also > say that only really small schools would use K12LTSP. Thus the above > question. > > Thanks. > > Al Dow > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From arendsj at skokie69.k12.il.us Tue Apr 12 17:47:17 2005 From: arendsj at skokie69.k12.il.us (John Arends) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 12:47:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Skype on K12LTSP Message-ID: Be careful with this. You can become a supernode without being aware of it and suck up HUGE amounts of bandwidth. >>> dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us 04/12/05 10:41 AM >>> Anyone tried running Skype on K12LTSP? I'm curious about things...how would one use a microphone at the local terminal and so forth...it'd be a cool way to communicate between classrooms if it can be done. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From adow at cameron.k12.mo.us Tue Apr 12 18:31:58 2005 From: adow at cameron.k12.mo.us (Al Dow) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 13:31:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] School Size In-Reply-To: References: <425BE470.4000706@cameron.k12.mo.us> Message-ID: <425C141E.3080203@cameron.k12.mo.us> Ryan Collins wrote: >On Apr 12, 2005 11:08 AM, Al Dow wrote: > > >>What size school do most of you have? >> >>We have 1700 students and 500 computers. We are looking at setting up >>the labs and libraries with K12LTSP - about 150 computers. Of course >>I'm fighting an uphill battle with the teachers, administrators and >>school board. >> >> > >We are 2,100 students and around 600 computers. Will you have some >non-terminal labs? > > > We will have at least one. We put DeepFreeze on those to keep them from being messed up. From ramonklown at pop.com.br Tue Apr 12 17:58:27 2005 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 14:58:27 -0300 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Skype on K12LTSP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <53139.200.159.149.201.1113328707.squirrel@popmail4.pop.com.br> Ofcourse it would suck up huge amounts of bandwidth, it's p2p port 80 comunication. Now I know you have to make a sound server work well before you can don't know how mic would work, never made sound server work on 4.2.0 so I can't say much. I wanted to accomplish this a long time ago but gave up. Thanks, Ramon > Be careful with this. You can become a supernode without being aware of it and suck > up HUGE amounts of bandwidth. > >>>> dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us 04/12/05 10:41 AM >>> > Anyone tried running Skype on K12LTSP? I'm curious about things...how > would one use a microphone at the local terminal and so forth...it'd be a > cool way to communicate between classrooms if it can be done. > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From mr.rcollins at gmail.com Tue Apr 12 19:04:08 2005 From: mr.rcollins at gmail.com (Ryan Collins) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 15:04:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] School Size In-Reply-To: <425C0488.7010902@paasda.org> References: <425BE470.4000706@cameron.k12.mo.us> <425C0488.7010902@paasda.org> Message-ID: On Apr 12, 2005 1:25 PM, Huck wrote: > Something I have noticed is that of most of the schools I talk to the > ratio of students to workstations is about 3:1, usually limited by > physical space. I'm wondering if this is accurate? We're around 3.5:1 and yes, our big limitation now is space. I'm moving to buying Mac minis (we're mostly mac) with LCD panels starting this fall to hopefully free up some room. My LTSP lab is also going with LCDs and one of the diskless workstations (haven't decided which yet). -- Ryan Collins Technology Coordinator - Kenton City Schools http://www.kentoncityschools.org/ From bartelt at hawaiian.net Tue Apr 12 20:21:01 2005 From: bartelt at hawaiian.net (John L Bartelt) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 10:21:01 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Help: hangs after loading vmlinuz ... Done Message-ID: <200504122035.j3CKZREX018256@hawaii.hawaiian.net> I recently inherited a bunch of Athalon K7 diskless boxes that I want to add to my LTSP cluster. They etherboot without problem but hang after the following output on the client: Loading /lts/vmlinuz.ltsp (NBI) ... Done Nothing on the server messages to indicate a problem. I'm not trying to start X, just using shell. I'm wondering if I need a different kernel or is it nfs not mounting? vmlinuz.ltsp links to vmlinuz-2.4.26-ltsp-2. Any suggestions? ------- John L Bartelt bartelt at hawaiian.net From cliebow at downeast.net Tue Apr 12 22:12:25 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 22:12:25 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Help: hangs after loading vmlinuz ... Done Message-ID: <200504122105.j3CL5ps04480@downeast.net> tere is no mount there..seems to have trouble loading the kernel.. > I recently inherited a bunch of Athalon K7 diskless boxes that I want to add > to my LTSP cluster. They etherboot without problem but hang after the > following output on the client: > > Loading /lts/vmlinuz.ltsp (NBI) ... Done > > Nothing on the server messages to indicate a problem. I'm not trying to > start X, just using shell. I'm wondering if I need a different kernel or is > it nfs not mounting? vmlinuz.ltsp links to vmlinuz-2.4.26-ltsp-2. > > Any suggestions? > > > --ms to have trouble----- > John L Bartelt > bartelt at hawaiian.net > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From brcisna at frontiernet.net Tue Apr 12 23:05:59 2005 From: brcisna at frontiernet.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 18:05:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] anyone have usb/pen drives working? Message-ID: <003401c53fb4$316171a0$01fea8c0@brcHOST> Thanks HUCK,, What build of K12LTSP are you running ( that this script is on)? I m on 4.2.0 and mine does not have this particular script... Ill try this on mine,,, I m thinking Ill have to add something to MtoolsFM conf file as well?? Thanks,, Barry From brcisna at frontiernet.net Tue Apr 12 23:33:21 2005 From: brcisna at frontiernet.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 18:33:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] print quota manager? Message-ID: <004001c53fb8$048059e0$01fea8c0@brcHOST> Hello List,, Does anyone have a good /decent , solution for a printer quota manager? I've tryed to get printbill working but have never had any luck to get it to count printed pages... We are using 4.2.0 build of K12LTSP... Has anyone got Pykota working[decently] on K12LTSP? Thanks,, Barry From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Apr 13 00:55:36 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 17:55:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] users kicked out on 4.2.1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 11 Apr 2005, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > Dear Folks, > after upgrading my 3.2.0 production server to 4.2.1 (pre), I > started experiencing sudden user logouts and station inability to get a > login screen. This looks as if the MaxSessions in gdm.conf was > too low, but the bad behavior continues after changing this number from > 250 to 2500 and rebooting. What am I missing here? The users are beginning > to riot. > thanks, julius Since you did an upgrade, there is a chance that something is wrong with the SELinux config. Try turning off SELinux enforcing mode by running this command: echo 0 > /selinux/enforce If that makes your problem go away, you can either permanently turn off enforcing or relabel the file system. To change the SELinux behavor, edit /etc/sysconfig/selinux and reboot. To relabel the filesystem, this should do the trick: restorecon -R / If turning off SELinux doesn't fix it, can you provide us with a little more info? Otherwise we're mostly just guessing. * contents of /var/log/gdm/*.log * your config (one NIC or two NICs, etc) * unusual output from "dmesg" * anything interesting in /var/log/messages, /var/log/secure, etc. -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Apr 13 01:02:49 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 18:02:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Seeking advice and help combining K12LTSP, OpenMosix and ThinStation to create one large project In-Reply-To: <96df2e0b05041107281371661e@mail.gmail.com> References: <20050407232205.60975.qmail@web30309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <96df2e0b05041107281371661e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: You can run DHCP on a non-standard port and use custom etherboot images. There is a howto somewhere on doing this, I did a quick Google search but didn't find it. I'm pretty sure it was written by someone on this list, so hopefully they'll pipe up with the details. -Eric On Mon, 11 Apr 2005, Jon Spriggs wrote: > Chris (and the rest of the list...) > > Is there any way to install this cut-down 2.4 kernel on workstations > as I don't have direct control of the network, nor the DHCP/TFTP > server :( > > Failing that, is there a boot disk, ISO image or something similar I > can use to retrive said image to the workstation and boot it from > there? > > Thanks, > > Jon > > On Apr 8, 2005 12:22 AM, Chris Thomas wrote: >> Hello, >> >> K12LTSP is Fedora based but the terminals don't load >> fedora linux. The treminal runs on a totally different >> os than the server. They load a special stripped-down >> version of linux based on the 2.4 kernel. If you >> google arround for LTSP and OpenMosix you will find >> tutorials and some special kernals that have OpenMosix >> support already compiled in. To be real nice, I will >> include one link on the LTSP page: >> >> http://www.ltsp.org/contrib/ltsp-om5r3c.html >> >> I hope this helps. >> >> Chris >> >> --- Jon Spriggs wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> Over the past year or so, I've been very interested >>> in the Thinstation >>> and K12LTSP projects, and in the last couple of >>> weeks, the OpenMosix >>> project has interested me even further... >>> >>> I know that there were HowTo: documents for >>> incorporating OpenMosix >>> into K12LTSP version 3.x, but I know that K12LTSP is >>> now on version >>> 4.2 - will this make a big difference? >>> >>> I've noticed that OpenMosix works with the 2.4.26 >>> kernel, but K12LTSP >>> is based on Fedora Core 3 - which uses a 2.6 based >>> kernel. I'm not a >>> kernel hacker (infact, I've only ever had one >>> successful >>> kernel-build), so I don't really know how much >>> difference there is >>> between a 2.4 kernel and a 2.6 kernel. Would there >>> be much to gain (or >>> lose?) from regressing the K12LTSP 2.6 based kernel >>> to a 2.4 kernel? >>> >>> I know that for OpenMosix to work correctly, it >>> needs the same kernel >>> version between all kernels on the cluster - >>> therefore, I presume I'd >>> need to build the same kernel for the Thinstation >>> project (so chosen >>> because I may be using both Windows and Linux >>> terminal servers on my >>> estate). Is it particularly difficult to build a >>> kernel with OpenMosix >>> in for Thinstation? Would it be worth approaching >>> the Thinstation >>> developer team about building an OpenMosix based >>> package? Maybe even >>> asking them to include the OpenMosix packages into >>> the Kernels they >>> distribute. >>> >>> Essentially, what I'm not looking to do here is >>> build a new project >>> from scratch - I'm far too disorganised and lose my >>> focus a little too >>> quickly for that, but what I'd like to do is >>> organise three mutually >>> compatible projects into one core product which can >>> be used to help >>> the educational world teach and learn, and to help >>> the business world >>> work smarter with the increased drive towards server >>> based computing. >>> >>> I know this work is already done as individual >>> projects, and K12LTSP >>> already does some of the work that Thinstation does, >>> but Thinstation >>> allows you to have a local filesystem, without being >>> overly dependent >>> on DHCP and TFTP servers. Maybe I'm being a little >>> overly ambitious, >>> but I think this could be a really great project. >>> >>> I'd welcome any comments, positive or negative - >>> especially from >>> anyone who may have done any work along the same >>> lines, or who can >>> suggest alternative projects which may also fall >>> well into the same >>> tree? >>> >>> -- >>> Jon "The Nice Guy" Spriggs From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Apr 13 01:06:13 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 18:06:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Help: hangs after loading vmlinuz ... Done In-Reply-To: <200504122035.j3CKZREX018256@hawaii.hawaiian.net> References: <200504122035.j3CKZREX018256@hawaii.hawaiian.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Apr 2005, John L Bartelt wrote: > I recently inherited a bunch of Athalon K7 diskless boxes that I want to add > to my LTSP cluster. They etherboot without problem but hang after the > following output on the client: > > Loading /lts/vmlinuz.ltsp (NBI) ... Done > > Nothing on the server messages to indicate a problem. I'm not trying to > start X, just using shell. I'm wondering if I need a different kernel or is > it nfs not mounting? vmlinuz.ltsp links to vmlinuz-2.4.26-ltsp-2. > > Any suggestions? Do these boxes have a cdrom or floppy drive? (or some other way to boot them?). I'd test 'em out with knoppix or something similar to make sure they work. I have tried to use an Athlon K7 as a terminal, but I use my Athlon 64 laptop as a test terminal on a regular basis. -Eric From bklinux at verizon.net Wed Apr 13 02:29:50 2005 From: bklinux at verizon.net (Byron Kapali) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 16:29:50 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/linuxunix/0, 39020390, 39194575, 00 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <425C841E.4080209@verizon.net> As a noobie... 1) What would be the difference between running Ubuntu vs Fedora. 2) Are there large differences in the ease of: update, use, installation? 3) Would a noobie, like me, notice any diffenences in distros? 4) If Ubuntu does go does "merge" with K12LTSP, would the thin clients run better than Fedora? I guess what I'm trying to get at is why would I install Ubuntu LTSP at my school. Sorry for the noobie-ness but I've been thinking about things like this ever since I jumped head first into the world of Linux. Byron David Trask wrote: > 'Tis true....Jim and Eric have been meeting with Mark about tailoring >LTSP to work with Ubuntu....I think that's awesome....Ubuntu gives me a >warm fuzzy feeling. > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Apr 13 03:54:43 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 20:54:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Job advert (fwd) Message-ID: This might be of interest to someone on this list. -Eric ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 15:53:05 +0100 From: garry saddington To: ltsp-discuss at lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Ltsp-discuss] Job advert At Skegness grammar School we have a vacant post for a systems administrator. If anyone is interested or knows of someone looking for a new post, details can be found at: www.skegnessgrammar.org We run LTSP on about 100 clients and are moving to full Linux implementation. Kind regards Garry Saddington ICT co-ordinator From bartelt at hawaiian.net Wed Apr 13 04:13:08 2005 From: bartelt at hawaiian.net (John L Bartelt) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 18:13:08 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Help: hangs after loading vmlinuz ... Done In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200504130427.j3D4RYEX024303@hawaii.hawaiian.net> Thanks for the reply. I checked a couple of the boxes and they seem to work OK. In fact I used one of these very boxes several years ago in a cluster with an earlier version of LTSP and kernel and they worked well. What I'm wondering is if the 2.4.26-ltsp-2 kernel supports the Athlon K7s? Perhaps I should build a new one? John ------- John L Bartelt Bartelt'at'hawaiian.net -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Eric Harrison Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 3:06 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Help: hangs after loading vmlinuz ... Done On Tue, 12 Apr 2005, John L Bartelt wrote: > I recently inherited a bunch of Athalon K7 diskless boxes that I want > to add to my LTSP cluster. They etherboot without problem but hang > after the following output on the client: > > Loading /lts/vmlinuz.ltsp (NBI) ... Done > > Nothing on the server messages to indicate a problem. I'm not trying > to start X, just using shell. I'm wondering if I need a different > kernel or is it nfs not mounting? vmlinuz.ltsp links to vmlinuz-2.4.26-ltsp-2. > > Any suggestions? Do these boxes have a cdrom or floppy drive? (or some other way to boot them?). I'd test 'em out with knoppix or something similar to make sure they work. I have tried to use an Athlon K7 as a terminal, but I use my Athlon 64 laptop as a test terminal on a regular basis. -Eric _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.7 - Release Date: 4/12/2005 From carl at snarlnet.com Wed Apr 13 05:47:33 2005 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 22:47:33 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] updating samba Message-ID: <425CB275.8070302@snarlnet.com> Hi, Does anyone know an easy way to update samba to the latest release? rpm -qa samba yields "samba-3.0.10-1.fc3". I'm hoping going to 3.0.14 will fix the Win2k drag and drop bug that's been caused by a recent Windows Critical Update has caused. yum update samba and yum upgrade samba find "No Packages marked for Update/Obsoletion. Is there a way to do this with yum, or do I have to do the whole download/unzip/tar/config/make/make install dance. Thanks, ck From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Apr 13 05:53:39 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 22:53:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] updating samba In-Reply-To: <425CB275.8070302@snarlnet.com> References: <425CB275.8070302@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Apr 2005, Carl Keil wrote: > Hi, > > Does anyone know an easy way to update samba to the latest release? rpm -qa > samba yields "samba-3.0.10-1.fc3". I'm hoping going to 3.0.14 will fix the > Win2k drag and drop bug that's been caused by a recent Windows Critical Update > has caused. yum update samba and yum upgrade samba find "No Packages marked > for Update/Obsoletion. Is there a way to do this with yum, or do I have to do > the whole download/unzip/tar/config/make/make install dance. > > Thanks, If you want install by hand, Samba.org usually has the latest-n-greatest pre-packaged. Right now they only have 3.0.12... http://us4.samba.org/samba/ftp/Binary_Packages/Fedora/RPMS/i386/core/3/ Sometimes you can find pre-release packages on the Fedora download server: ftp://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/testing/3/i386/ -Eric From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Wed Apr 13 07:44:06 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 08:44:06 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] print quota manager? References: <004001c53fb8$048059e0$01fea8c0@brcHOST> Message-ID: <00c201c53ffc$9258d190$65c8a8c0@brianwork> Barry R Cisna wrote: > Hello List,, > > Does anyone have a good /decent , solution for a printer quota > manager? > > I've tryed to get printbill working but have never had any luck > to get it to count printed pages... > We are using 4.2.0 build of K12LTSP... > > Has anyone got Pykota working[decently] on K12LTSP? > > Thanks,, > > Barry > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see I'm just starting to look at Pykota, I've purchased a year subscription just got to get the server setup. Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Wed Apr 13 08:48:32 2005 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (root) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 08:48:32 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] print quota manager? In-Reply-To: <004001c53fb8$048059e0$01fea8c0@brcHOST> References: <004001c53fb8$048059e0$01fea8c0@brcHOST> Message-ID: <200504130848.32241.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> On Tuesday 12 April 2005 23:33, Barry R Cisna wrote: > Hello List,, > > Does anyone have a good /decent , solution for a printer quota manager? > > I've tryed to get printbill working but have never had any luck to get > it to count printed pages... > We are using 4.2.0 build of K12LTSP... > > Has anyone got Pykota working[decently] on K12LTSP? I tried to get PyKota working but I found it quite tedious and gave up, mostly due to time contraints. I was trying to set it up to use postgresql rather than LDAP and it was postgresql that caused me headache. We are currently using the quota as built into CUPS. If you want to read about how I set this up see http://www.openhgs.org/moin.cgi/PrinterQuota -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From hick518 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 13 10:19:57 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 03:19:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Purge users processes at logout In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050413101957.83381.qmail@web41609.mail.yahoo.com> I've noticed the same problem with KDM. I can't say for sure if KDM is better or worse than GDM, but I suspect there is no difference. -Rob --- Daniel Hedblom wrote: > Citerar Trond M?hlum : > > Hello! > > The problem is that this script only purges > processes at logout. I suspect the > processes you have trouble with are orphaned > processes right? > PURGE_PROCESSES=YES calls /usr/sbin/purge_user from > /etc/X11/gdm/PostSession/Default. > > The real culprit seems to be Gdm that doesnt kill > the users processes if they > are left orpaned by a locked up client, a user that > just [ctrl][alt][backspace] > or any other event that just leaves the processes > left hanging. Maybe KDM would > be a better login manager until GDM gets fixed. > > I would love to hear a good solution on this problem > myself. > > /daniel > > > > If have understood things correctly, there is a > option in K12LTSP4.2 > > which is called PURGE_PROCESSES=YES in > /etc/sysconfig/k12ltsp. > > > > It doesn't seem to work. Every day firefox-bin is > running at 90-99% for > > users long time gone... I solve this now by > rebooting the LTSP servers > > every night. Are there more options to be set for > this to work? > > > > Regards > > Trond M?hlum > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > > Ne auderis delere orbem rigidum meum! > > ('< > ----------------+------------------------------- > /V\ Daniel Hedblom | Nipanskolan > <(_) ----------------+ Solleftea /__ /\ > __~~__________________Network_Technician__](__=_`)___ > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From hick518 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 13 10:33:43 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 03:33:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] ISA sound cards In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050413103343.93109.qmail@web41605.mail.yahoo.com> I found on my AMD-K6 233 MHz machine that if I disabled "PnP OS" in the BIOS that the machine would display all kinds of useful info on the screen during boot. The IRQ for my ISA sound card was one of the things displayed. I'm not sure why the Plug and Play setting in the BIOS made a difference, but it did. -Rob --- "John P. Conlon" wrote: > I have several ESS18** sound cards in some dumpster > terminals that I > use. How do I identify the needed information such > as IRQ to put in the > lts.conf file to make them work? > Thanks > Pat > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us Wed Apr 13 11:20:55 2005 From: mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us (mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 07:20:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] updating samba In-Reply-To: <425CB275.8070302@snarlnet.com> References: <425CB275.8070302@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: <1105.24.2.210.202.1113391255.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> I have had to do this is the past (before using yum) and I think it was on RH9 9 (maybe fedora 1). I downloaded rpm's from samba.org Back then, the samba rpm's at samba.org were packaged differently than what redhat packaged for redhat (and fedora). Back then and today, Redhat packaged samba as three rpms (which is also true for fedora). samba.i386 samba-client.i386 samba-common.i386 whereas samba.org has a single rpm. I think that now for fedora, samba.org also packages three rpm's Also, back then, I discovered that /var/cache/samba/ on redhat (and fedora) became /var/lib/samba/ when installing from samba.org. This directory is used by samba to store a number of files. Before you do anything else, make sure you backup /etc/samba/ and /var/cache/samba/. Because of the difference in packaging, I had to rpm -e the old samba packages before installing the new. Mark Orenstein East Granby, CT School System > Hi, > > Does anyone know an easy way to update samba to the latest release? rpm > -qa samba yields "samba-3.0.10-1.fc3". I'm hoping going to 3.0.14 will > fix the Win2k drag and drop bug that's been caused by a recent Windows > Critical Update has caused. yum update samba and yum upgrade samba find > "No Packages marked for Update/Obsoletion. Is there a way to do this > with yum, or do I have to do the whole > download/unzip/tar/config/make/make install dance. > > Thanks, > > ck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From lsrpm-1 at shaw.ca Wed Apr 13 15:50:13 2005 From: lsrpm-1 at shaw.ca (Liam Marshall) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 10:50:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] GNUChess Message-ID: <14daa0e14d6358.14d635814daa0e@shaw.ca> does anyone know why top reports one station, running GNUChess as sucking up 96% of one of my cpu's? I have 2 3.06 GHz xeons, hyperthreading, but still OMG! Is there another Linux chess prog out there that does not hog cpu, possibly even one that allows users to head to head play? From staffords at glenburn.net Wed Apr 13 16:10:10 2005 From: staffords at glenburn.net (Shane Stafford) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 12:10:10 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] GNUChess In-Reply-To: <14daa0e14d6358.14d635814daa0e@shaw.ca> References: <14daa0e14d6358.14d635814daa0e@shaw.ca> Message-ID: at that percentage, my guess is the student decided to have the computer play the compter and I've heard that will shoot the cpu usage thru the roof. thanks Shane Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer S & B Consulting From trond at mahlum.biz Wed Apr 13 16:21:09 2005 From: trond at mahlum.biz (Trond =?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E6hlum?=) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:21:09 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] The vncserver in k12ltsp Message-ID: <1113409269.5431.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Can someone give me some information about the vncserver in K12LTSP? I know it works by default. I use this function a lot. Both from Windows and other Linux workstations. It's a great way to log onto the server! I have set up a new testserver. It's based on Debian Sarge and I have installed the LTSP*.deb packages. Everything checks out, but I can not find out how to add the Xvnc? part of K12LTSP. If K12LTSP is supposed to support Ubuntu as well in the near future, I suppose there is a Debian way of getting this excellent function going. But How? Regards Trond Maehlum From ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Wed Apr 13 16:32:59 2005 From: ltsp at symbio-technologies.com (Gideon Romm) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 12:32:59 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] The vncserver in k12ltsp In-Reply-To: <1113409269.5431.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1113409269.5431.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1113409979.13798.12.camel@lts01.nr.symbio.com> Not sure if this works on Debian, but it may help: http://www.thesymbiont.com/mambots/editors/tinymce/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=146&Itemid=125 -Gideon On Wed, 2005-04-13 at 12:21, Trond M?hlum wrote: > Can someone give me some information about the vncserver in K12LTSP? I > know it works by default. I use this function a lot. Both from Windows > and other Linux workstations. It's a great way to log onto the server! > > I have set up a new testserver. It's based on Debian Sarge and I have > installed the LTSP*.deb packages. 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URL: From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Apr 13 16:33:13 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 09:33:13 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] The vncserver in k12ltsp In-Reply-To: <1113409269.5431.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1113409269.5431.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <425D49C9.5000301@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Trond M?hlum wrote: > Can someone give me some information about the vncserver in K12LTSP? I > know it works by default. I use this function a lot. Both from Windows > and other Linux workstations. It's a great way to log onto the server! > > I have set up a new testserver. It's based on Debian Sarge and I have > installed the LTSP*.deb packages. Everything checks out, but I can not > find out how to add the Xvnc? part of K12LTSP. If K12LTSP is supposed to > support Ubuntu as well in the near future, I suppose there is a Debian > way of getting this excellent function going. But How? > > Regards > > Trond Maehlum > There are no debs at the moment, but it is pretty simple just to copy it from one box to another. From one of your K12LTSP boxes, copy /etc/xinet.d/vnc (or vncts) to the Debian box. Next, cut-n-paste the vnc-* entries from /etc/services from K12LTSP to Debian. Restart xinetd. Done! -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Apr 13 16:41:01 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 11:41:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/linuxunix/0, 39020390, In-Reply-To: <425C841E.4080209@verizon.net> Message-ID: <003f01c54047$93b8e1b0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > I guess what I'm trying to get at is why would I install > Ubuntu LTSP at > my school. Sorry for the noobie-ness but I've been thinking about > things like this ever since I jumped head first into the > world of Linux. Read up on the link here: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/MueKow It describes project MueKow. The project is an attempt at totally revamping how ltsp integrates with the core operating system. From what I understand this is the main reason for working with Ubuntu. They are willing to help with this LTSP overhaul and pull some of the work upstream. I am not really the one to comment on this but that should help explain why there is a possible switch. You also need to realize you are following K12LTSP which is LTSP packaged with Fedora. LTSP is made to load on top of virtually any Linux distro. So for LTSP this isn't really a switch, just someone to possibly partner with for development. As for K12LTSP, that may or may not stay with Fedora, or maybe Eric is planning on supporting both Fedora and Ubuntu (and possibly) others in the future. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Apr 13 16:41:21 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 09:41:21 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] anyone have usb/pen drives working? In-Reply-To: <003401c53fb4$316171a0$01fea8c0@brcHOST> References: <003401c53fb4$316171a0$01fea8c0@brcHOST> Message-ID: <425D4BB1.8010106@paasda.org> mine is 4.1.1 I don't believe I added anything to MtoolsFM at all. --Huck Barry R Cisna wrote: > Thanks HUCK,, > > What build of K12LTSP are you running ( that this script is on)? > I m on 4.2.0 and mine does not have this particular script... > > Ill try this on mine,,, I m thinking Ill have to add something to > MtoolsFM conf file as well?? > > Thanks,, > > Barry > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Wed Apr 13 16:44:10 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 12:44:10 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Can not access science web site. Can firefox masquerade as another browser? Message-ID: <1113410650.2641.103.camel@anthony.stmarys-school.lan> Hello, We cannot access Scott Foresman Science web site (goes with 3rd grade text book) with Firefox . Is there a workaround where Firefox can masquerade as another browser. Thanks. John Browser is mozilla/5.0 (x11; u; linux i686; en-us; rv:1.7.5) gecko/20041107 firefox/1.0.7.0 and above = -1 Your Web browser is incompatible with Scott Foresman Science. Please download a supported Web browser from one of these sources: Microsoft Internet Explorer (version 4.0 or later): http://www.microsoft.com Netscape Communicator (version 4.0 or later): http://www.netscape.com (Please note that Netscape Communicator 6 is not supported for Scott Foresman Science; please download Netscape Communicator 4.7 if you choose Netscape Communicator.) -- John From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Apr 13 16:45:44 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 09:45:44 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] print quota manager? In-Reply-To: <004001c53fb8$048059e0$01fea8c0@brcHOST> References: <004001c53fb8$048059e0$01fea8c0@brcHOST> Message-ID: <425D4CB8.4070407@paasda.org> I use PyKota on K12LTSP 4.1 and it works great. The install was really quite simple, but as Jerome(creator/maintainer) will advise.. Read the manual FIRST...90% of the question I had when I was installing was already there in the manual docs. I use the Postgresql method and have had no problems. Use it on 2 printers, a Ricoh Color Laser, and a HP 4050 attached to a local thin client. --Huck Barry R Cisna wrote: > Hello List,, > > Does anyone have a good /decent , solution for a printer quota manager? > > I've tryed to get printbill working but have never had any luck to get > it to count printed pages... > We are using 4.2.0 build of K12LTSP... > > Has anyone got Pykota working[decently] on K12LTSP? > > Thanks,, > > Barry > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Apr 13 16:46:39 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 09:46:39 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] GNUChess In-Reply-To: References: <14daa0e14d6358.14d635814daa0e@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <425D4CEF.6070701@paasda.org> yes... that app can pretty much stall your server...and even against a pathetic chess player like m'self =) --Huck Shane Stafford wrote: > at that percentage, my guess is the student decided to have the computer > play the compter and I've heard that will shoot the cpu usage thru the > roof. > > thanks > Shane > > Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT > Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town > Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer > S & B Consulting > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From bill at computassist.com Wed Apr 13 16:58:26 2005 From: bill at computassist.com (Bill Bardon) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 11:58:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Can not access science web site. Can firefox masquerade as another browser? In-Reply-To: <1113410650.2641.103.camel@anthony.stmarys-school.lan> References: <1113410650.2641.103.camel@anthony.stmarys-school.lan> Message-ID: <20050413115826.2c6b424c@localhost.localdomain> On Wednesday, Apr 13 John Baillie wrote: > We cannot access Scott Foresman Science web site (goes with 3rd grade > text book) with Firefox . Is there a workaround where Firefox can > masquerade as another browser. Get the "User Agent Switcher" extension from chrispederick.com (http://chrispederick.com/work/firefox/useragentswitcher/) or the Mozilla Extensions page (https://addons.update.mozilla.org/extensions/?os=Windows&application=firefox) -- Bill Bardon COMPUTASSIST Omaha, Nebraska http://www.computassist.com From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Wed Apr 13 17:15:47 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 12:15:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Can not access science web site. Can firefox masquerade as another browser? In-Reply-To: <20050413115826.2c6b424c@localhost.localdomain> References: <1113410650.2641.103.camel@anthony.stmarys-school.lan> <20050413115826.2c6b424c@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3b6c8c428a9468bc0a804e7171845f52@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Sounds like an evangelism bug! On Apr 13, 2005, at 11:58 AM, Bill Bardon wrote: > On Wednesday, Apr 13 John Baillie wrote: >> We cannot access Scott Foresman Science web site (goes with 3rd grade >> text book) with Firefox . Is there a workaround where Firefox can >> masquerade as another browser. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkJdU8MACgkQfqZR3ThMfXQrowCaAsY7VjXsi78OyRahSYb0slHZ SZsAnig3d196Lr6CqwsTy+MtfNPQP215 =wYsd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Wed Apr 13 17:17:34 2005 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 10:17:34 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Can not access science web site. Can firefox masquerade as another browser? In-Reply-To: <20050413115826.2c6b424c@localhost.localdomain> References: <1113410650.2641.103.camel@anthony.stmarys-school.lan> <20050413115826.2c6b424c@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <425D542E.9060106@parkrose.k12.or.us> Bill Bardon wrote: > On Wednesday, Apr 13 John Baillie wrote: > >>We cannot access Scott Foresman Science web site (goes with 3rd grade >>text book) with Firefox . Is there a workaround where Firefox can >>masquerade as another browser. > > > Get the "User Agent Switcher" extension from chrispederick.com > (http://chrispederick.com/work/firefox/useragentswitcher/) or the > Mozilla Extensions page > (https://addons.update.mozilla.org/extensions/?os=Windows&application=firefox) This is good. You should also complain loudly and often to them for having a broken site. IE-only sites are soooo late 90's. -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From trond at mahlum.biz Wed Apr 13 17:27:53 2005 From: trond at mahlum.biz (Trond =?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E6hlum?=) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 19:27:53 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] The vncserver in k12ltsp In-Reply-To: <425D49C9.5000301@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <1113409269.5431.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <425D49C9.5000301@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1113413273.5431.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> ons, 13,.04.2005 kl. 09.33 -0700, skrev Eric Harrison: > Trond M?hlum wrote: > > Can someone give me some information about the vncserver in K12LTSP? I > > know it works by default. I use this function a lot. Both from Windows > > and other Linux workstations. It's a great way to log onto the server! > > > > I have set up a new testserver. It's based on Debian Sarge and I have > > installed the LTSP*.deb packages. Everything checks out, but I can not > > find out how to add the Xvnc? part of K12LTSP. If K12LTSP is supposed to > > support Ubuntu as well in the near future, I suppose there is a Debian > > way of getting this excellent function going. But How? > > > > Regards > > > > Trond Maehlum > > > > There are no debs at the moment, but it is pretty simple just to copy it > from one box to another. > > > From one of your K12LTSP boxes, copy /etc/xinet.d/vnc (or vncts) to > the Debian box. Hmm... there is no /etc/xinet.d on the Debian box. Any idea where the vnc script should go then? Trond > Next, cut-n-paste the vnc-* entries from /etc/services from K12LTSP to > Debian. > > Restart xinetd. > > Done! > > -Eric > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From bill at computassist.com Wed Apr 13 17:36:34 2005 From: bill at computassist.com (Bill Bardon) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 12:36:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Can not access science web site. Can firefox masquerade as another browser? In-Reply-To: <425D542E.9060106@parkrose.k12.or.us> References: <1113410650.2641.103.camel@anthony.stmarys-school.lan> <20050413115826.2c6b424c@localhost.localdomain> <425D542E.9060106@parkrose.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <20050413123634.085d91c7@localhost.localdomain> On Wednesday, Apr 13 Dan Young wrote: > This is good. You should also complain loudly and often to them for > having a broken site. IE-only sites are soooo late 90's. YES! Sites that exclude other browsers need to hear from us. I just sent a message to these folks along that line. Some of you may want to follow suit. Just don't quote mine verbatim - too obvious. ;-) Here it is: Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 12:31:55 -0500 From: Bill Bardon To: webmaster at pearson.com Subject: Browser compatibility The Scott Foresman Science web site (goes with 3rd grade text book) does not allow browsing with Firefox, even though the browser works fine, as far as I can tell. If I instruct Firefox to identify itself to the server as MS IE 6.0, the site functions without problems. Do you have plans to include Firefox in your list of acceptable browsers soon? Better yet, please eliminate the browser-specific code wherever possible and make your site accessible to the larger public. Let users choose their browser. See how at http://validator.w3.org/ More schools, including the ones I am involved with, are moving to Linux and/or using Firefox to escape IE's security woes. Not just web sites, but educational software for Linux is going to see a large increase in market size. I hope Scott Foresman will be proactive in recognizing this, and implementing more platform-independent products in the near future. -- Bill Bardon COMPUTASSIST Omaha, Nebraska http://www.computassist.com From trond at mahlum.biz Wed Apr 13 17:46:46 2005 From: trond at mahlum.biz (Trond =?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E6hlum?=) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 19:46:46 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] The vncserver in k12ltsp In-Reply-To: <1113413273.5431.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1113409269.5431.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <425D49C9.5000301@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <1113413273.5431.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1113414406.5431.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> ons, 13,.04.2005 kl. 19.27 +0200, skrev Trond M?hlum: > ons, 13,.04.2005 kl. 09.33 -0700, skrev Eric Harrison: > > Trond M?hlum wrote: > > > Can someone give me some information about the vncserver in K12LTSP? I > > > know it works by default. I use this function a lot. Both from Windows > > > and other Linux workstations. It's a great way to log onto the server! > > > > > > I have set up a new testserver. It's based on Debian Sarge and I have > > > installed the LTSP*.deb packages. Everything checks out, but I can not > > > find out how to add the Xvnc? part of K12LTSP. If K12LTSP is supposed to > > > support Ubuntu as well in the near future, I suppose there is a Debian > > > way of getting this excellent function going. But How? > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Trond Maehlum > > > > > > > There are no debs at the moment, but it is pretty simple just to copy it > > from one box to another. > > > > > > From one of your K12LTSP boxes, copy /etc/xinet.d/vnc (or vncts) to > > the Debian box. > > Hmm... there is no /etc/xinet.d on the Debian box. Any idea where the > vnc script should go then? Never mind. apt-get install xinetd fixed this. Thank you. It's working now. Trond > Trond > > > Next, cut-n-paste the vnc-* entries from /etc/services from K12LTSP to > > Debian. > > > > Restart xinetd. > > > > Done! > > > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From trond at mahlum.biz Wed Apr 13 17:49:35 2005 From: trond at mahlum.biz (Trond =?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E6hlum?=) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 19:49:35 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] kpasswd command Message-ID: <1113414575.5431.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Still doing Debian LTSP testing. Can someone tell me where the kpasswd command comes from? I use it for my students to change their passwords. I cannot seem to find the kpasswd for Debian. Is it a KDE thing? Or does the 'K' perhaps mean something else? Regards Trond Maehlum From trond at mahlum.biz Wed Apr 13 18:17:43 2005 From: trond at mahlum.biz (Trond =?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E6hlum?=) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 20:17:43 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] kpasswd command In-Reply-To: <1113414575.5431.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1113414575.5431.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1113416263.5431.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> ons, 13,.04.2005 kl. 19.49 +0200, skrev Trond M?hlum: > Still doing Debian LTSP testing. Can someone tell me where the kpasswd > command comes from? I use it for my students to change their passwords. > > I cannot seem to find the kpasswd for Debian. Is it a KDE thing? Or does > the 'K' perhaps mean something else? Sorry for me being noisy today. Off course it isn't kpasswd but _userpasswd_. Question remains though, since userpasswd isn't in Debain either... Trond > Regards > Trond Maehlum > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From mpribik at zoznam.sk Wed Apr 13 18:24:04 2005 From: mpribik at zoznam.sk (M.Pribik) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 20:24:04 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] GNUChess References: <14daa0e14d6358.14d635814daa0e@shaw.ca> <425D4CEF.6070701@paasda.org> Message-ID: <002801c54055$fa03ad70$0100a8c0@Marian> I have the same experience with cca 100% utilisation of CPU by GNUchess. I have 3GHz hyperthreading P4. CPU1 and CPU2 cyclicly alternates between cca. zero and cca. 100%. Marian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Huck" To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 6:46 PM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] GNUChess > yes... > that app can pretty much stall your server...and even against a pathetic > chess player like m'self =) > > --Huck > > Shane Stafford wrote: > > at that percentage, my guess is the student decided to have the computer > > play the compter and I've heard that will shoot the cpu usage thru the > > roof. > > > > thanks > > Shane > > > > Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT > > Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town > > Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer > > S & B Consulting > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > __________ Informacia od NOD32 1.1058 (20050412) __________ > > Tato sprava bola preverena antivirusovym systemom NOD32. > http://www.eset.sk > > From adammelancon at gmail.com Wed Apr 13 18:24:30 2005 From: adammelancon at gmail.com (Adam Melancon) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 13:24:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Can not access science web site. Can firefox masquerade as another browser? In-Reply-To: <20050413123634.085d91c7@localhost.localdomain> References: <1113410650.2641.103.camel@anthony.stmarys-school.lan> <20050413115826.2c6b424c@localhost.localdomain> <425D542E.9060106@parkrose.k12.or.us> <20050413123634.085d91c7@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <489287610504131124cd48523@mail.gmail.com> User Agent Switcher - Firefox Extension User Agent Switcher 0.6.1, by Chris Pederick, released on December 05, 2004 Quick Description Adds a menu to switch the user agent of the browser. https://addons.update.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?id=59 On 4/13/05, Bill Bardon wrote: > On Wednesday, Apr 13 Dan Young wrote: > > This is good. You should also complain loudly and often to them for > > having a broken site. IE-only sites are soooo late 90's. > > YES! > > Sites that exclude other browsers need to hear from us. I just sent a > message to these folks along that line. Some of you may want to > follow suit. Just don't quote mine verbatim - too obvious. ;-) > > Here it is: > > Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 12:31:55 -0500 > From: Bill Bardon > To: webmaster at pearson.com > Subject: Browser compatibility > > The Scott Foresman Science web site (goes with 3rd grade text book) > does not allow browsing with Firefox, even though the browser works > fine, as far as I can tell. If I instruct Firefox to identify itself to > the server as MS IE 6.0, the site functions without problems. > > Do you have plans to include Firefox in your list of acceptable browsers > soon? Better yet, please eliminate the browser-specific code wherever > possible and make your site accessible to the larger public. Let users > choose their browser. See how at http://validator.w3.org/ > > More schools, including the ones I am involved with, are moving to Linux > and/or using Firefox to escape IE's security woes. Not just web sites, > but educational software for Linux is going to see a large increase in > market size. I hope Scott Foresman will be proactive in recognizing > this, and implementing more platform-independent products in the near > future. > > -- > Bill Bardon > COMPUTASSIST > Omaha, Nebraska > http://www.computassist.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Adam Melancon Work: http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us Personal: http://www.melancon.org From casey.woods at gmail.com Wed Apr 13 19:07:28 2005 From: casey.woods at gmail.com (Casey Woods) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 13:07:28 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP, WINE, RDesktop & Sound Message-ID: <425D6DF0.5000101@gmail.com> I did a search of the archives and found nothing so here it goes.... We have approximately 120 Windows 2000 computers that are mostly Dell Optiplexes. They have lots of memory and are running as well as can be expected. The network is 100 Mbit. And we'll be connecting the switches to the LTSP servers with Gigabit uplinks. So bandwidth shouldn't be an issue. Servers will be dual processor Opterons with lots of RAM. So we have lots of processing power. My concern is providing sound to the LTSP clients. And specifically for providing sound for a few Windows applications that just won't go away. What am I up against here? My options for running these Windows apps are either WINE or RDesktop w/ Windows Terminal Server. Thanks, Casey Woods From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Wed Apr 13 21:49:14 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 17:49:14 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Can not access science web site. Can firefox masquerade as another browser? Message-ID: <1113428954.19297.27.camel@fedora2.thebaillies.lan> Dan Young wrote: Adds a menu to switch the user agent of the browser. https://addons.update.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?id=59 This is good. You should also complain loudly and often to them for having a broken site. IE-only sites are soooo late 90's. ------------------------------------- Thanks for the fix. I sent an email to the publisher techsupport-cw at pearson.com Referencing http://www.sfscience.com/splash/NS6.htm And their lack of browser support. John From bear2bar at netscape.net Wed Apr 13 21:43:03 2005 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (bear2bar at netscape.net) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 17:43:03 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp 4.2.1 & squid Message-ID: <6407A15B.795952E0.0092C281@netscape.net> Hi Eric, Thanks for the help. In /var/log/squid/squid.out [root at krypton ~]# tail -f /var/log/squid/squid.out & [1] 17602 [root at krypton ~]# CPU Usage: 0.024 seconds = 0.012 user + 0.012 sys Maximum Resident Size: 0 KB Page faults with physical i/o: 0 FATAL: Could not determine fully qualified hostname. ?Please set 'visible_hostname' Squid Cache (Version 2.5.STABLE9): Terminated abnormally. CPU Usage: 0.023 seconds = 0.017 user + 0.006 sys Maximum Resident Size: 0 KB Page faults with physical i/o: 0 2005/04/12 22:58:21| Creating Swap Directories Please note that I've set visible_hostname in squid.conf, squid-squidguard.conf and although squidguard starts without error no filtering is done. Apache is running & redirected to 8080 & port 80 is redirected to 3128 for squid arrrrrrrrrrrr help thks norbert Eric Harrison wrote: >On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 bear2bar at netscape.net wrote: > >> Hi Eric, >> >> Thanks for the response. >> >> /var/log/squid/cache.log -> no such file or directory ! >> /var/log/messages >> >> [root at krypton ~]# service squid start >> init_cache_dir /var/spool/squid... /etc/init.d/squid: line 54: 22862 Aborted ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? $SQUID -z -F -D >>/var/log/squid/squid.out 2>&1 >> Starting squid: /etc/init.d/squid: line 53: 22863 Aborted ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? $SQUID $SQUID_OPTS >>/var/log/squid/squid.out 2>&1 >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? [FAILED] > >What is in /var/log/squid/squid.out ? > >Line 54 of /etc/init.d/squid is where it tries to create the cache >directories (the default is /var/spool/squid). It also is the first >time that squid is called. So that means something is wrong with >your cache directory or something is wrong with your squid config. >The answer should be in /var/log/squid/squid.out. > > >Take a look at /etc/squid/squid.conf and see if you have any >custom cache_dir entries. If you do, verify that that the >directory specified for each entry exists and is writable by >the squid user. If there are no custom cache_dir entries, check >/var/spool/squid > >You didn't mention AVC messages in /var/log/messages, so I assume >it is not a SELinux problem. You can double-check by running >this command and then try to start squid: > > ? ?echo 0 > /selinux/enforce > ? ?/sbin/service squid start > >If squid then starts, let us know and we'll tell you how to fix >it. > >Finally, there may be something wrong with your squid config. >One thing I've seen is that broken DNS will break your squid config. >Make sure you have the hostname/IP address entered in /etc/hosts >and then try to start squid again. ?The DNS problem and any other >squid-config related issue should show up in /var/log/squid/squid.out > >-Eric > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From wescott at sc.rr.com Wed Apr 13 22:14:27 2005 From: wescott at sc.rr.com (Michael C Wescott) Date: 13 Apr 2005 18:14:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] kpasswd command In-Reply-To: <1113416263.5431.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1113414575.5431.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1113416263.5431.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1113430466.12437.3.camel@eriadne> On Wed, 2005-04-13 at 14:17, Trond M?hlum wrote: > Sorry for me being noisy today. Off course it isn't kpasswd but > _userpasswd_. Question remains though, since userpasswd isn't in Debain > either... I think you'll have to compile it from the source. Pick up a source rpm from fedora and extract the source tar (see rpm2cpio). From Zouhir.Hafidi at math.univ-lille1.fr Wed Apr 13 23:29:44 2005 From: Zouhir.Hafidi at math.univ-lille1.fr (Zouhir.Hafidi at math.univ-lille1.fr) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 01:29:44 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [K12OSN] Pam Mount Multiple Connections In-Reply-To: <425B2262.5080204@eq.edu.au> References: <425B2262.5080204@eq.edu.au> Message-ID: <33793.82.226.204.170.1113434984.squirrel@82.226.204.170> > Hey Everyone hope you can help me out I have set up a small lab of 6 > terminals and using this guide > http://math.univ-lille1.fg/~hafidi/terminal-services/index.html I have > been able to authenticate to a Windows 2003 server as well as pam > mounting the users home dirs. The problem I am having is if more than > one user is logs in Pam mount seems to fail it doesn't mount their home > drive, so it seems to me that it only works for one user at a time, is > this normal? As soon as the user (the one that Pam mount worked for) > logs out and their home directory is unmounted everything is fine again > for the next lucky user but only the first one. Any one have any > ideas? I feel that I am so close to getting it working in a way that > the administration would be happy and I would be able to expand and > bring more labs online. Thanks is advance. > This is a W2K3 issue... By default, the Windows Server 2003 Domain Controllers require SMB signing which in this case prevents you from doing multiple mounts with different users. You have 2 workarounds for this: 1) Disable SMB signing on W2K3: - From "Administrative Tools" open "Domain Controller Security Policy" - Select "Local Policies" ---> "Security Options" folder - Double-click "Microsoft network server: Digitally sign communications (always)", and then click Disabled to prevent SMB packet signing from being required. - Click OK. - Reboot or run "gpupdate" to apply the Group Policy change. 2) Leave SMB signing enabled on W2K3 and apply a cifs patch (I haven't tested this): https://bugzilla.samba.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2369 hope this helps, ZH From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Apr 14 01:27:32 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:27:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp 4.2.1 & squid In-Reply-To: <6407A15B.795952E0.0092C281@netscape.net> References: <6407A15B.795952E0.0092C281@netscape.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 bear2bar at netscape.net wrote: > Hi Eric, > > Thanks for the help. > In /var/log/squid/squid.out > [root at krypton ~]# tail -f /var/log/squid/squid.out & > [1] 17602 > [root at krypton ~]# CPU Usage: 0.024 seconds = 0.012 user + 0.012 sys > Maximum Resident Size: 0 KB > Page faults with physical i/o: 0 > FATAL: Could not determine fully qualified hostname. ?Please set 'visible_hostname' > > Squid Cache (Version 2.5.STABLE9): Terminated abnormally. > CPU Usage: 0.023 seconds = 0.017 user + 0.006 sys > Maximum Resident Size: 0 KB > Page faults with physical i/o: 0 > 2005/04/12 22:58:21| Creating Swap Directories So it was a DNS problem. Okay, that's fixed. On the next one... > Please note that I've set visible_hostname in squid.conf, squid-squidguard.conf and although squidguard starts without error no filtering is done. Apache is running & redirected to 8080 & port 80 is redirected to 3128 for squid What does the squidGuard log say? /var/log/squidGuard/squidGuard.log It should end with something like this: 2005-04-13 13:14:00 [8782] squidGuard 1.2.0 started (1113423240.659) 2005-04-13 13:14:00 [8782] squidGuard ready for requests (1113423240.706) Also make sure that you do have squidGuard running. Run this command: ps auxw | grep squidGuard If you don't see a bunch of entries such as: squid 8786 0.0 0.0 9748 1448 ? S 13:13 0:00 (squidGuard) -c /etc/squid/squidGuard.conf squidGuard is not running. This might fix it: /sbin/service squid stop /sbin/chkconfig squid off /sbin/chkconfig squidguard on /sbin/service squidguard start -Eric From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Thu Apr 14 01:53:54 2005 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 09:53:54 +0800 Subject: wrong list? was - Re: [K12OSN] kpasswd command In-Reply-To: <1113416263.5431.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1113414575.5431.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1113416263.5431.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1113443634.5435.51.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2005-04-13 at 20:17 +0200, Trond M?hlum wrote: > ons, 13,.04.2005 kl. 19.49 +0200, skrev Trond M?hlum: > > Still doing Debian LTSP testing. Can someone tell me where the kpasswd > > command comes from? I use it for my students to change their passwords. > > > > I cannot seem to find the kpasswd for Debian. Is it a KDE thing? Or does > > the 'K' perhaps mean something else? > > Sorry for me being noisy today. Off course it isn't kpasswd but > _userpasswd_. Question remains though, since userpasswd isn't in Debain > either... > > Trond > Trond, I know from subscribing to this list for more than 18mths that everyone here is exceptionally helpful. Perhaps that is why you are here? However, your postings are all related to LTSP built on top of another distro - in your case I read debian. Not meaning to be elitist, but your posting would be better served on the LTSP list where you will find people with the same setup. K12LTSP is (so far) built ONLY on Fedora, and any other distro-specific questions are not relevant to the vast majority of listers here :-). You will find LTSP here: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss Try them, they seem very helpful, too - right Jim? ;-) -- Regards, Gavin Chester From bear2bar at netscape.net Thu Apr 14 02:32:40 2005 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (bear2bar at netscape.net) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 22:32:40 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp 4.2.1 & squid Message-ID: <5B4A27C2.4EEAA384.0092C281@netscape.net> Hi Eric, OK I tried everything you suggested and it all checks except that I get the same error message as before ??? I saw a posting that the visible_hostname had to have a format of "host.domain.tld". I tried that but still the same error persists..... norbert Eric Harrison wrote: >On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 bear2bar at netscape.net wrote: > >> Hi Eric, >> >> Thanks for the help. >> In /var/log/squid/squid.out >> [root at krypton ~]# tail -f /var/log/squid/squid.out & >> [1] 17602 >> [root at krypton ~]# CPU Usage: 0.024 seconds = 0.012 user + 0.012 sys >> Maximum Resident Size: 0 KB >> Page faults with physical i/o: 0 >> FATAL: Could not determine fully qualified hostname. ?Please set 'visible_hostname' >> >> Squid Cache (Version 2.5.STABLE9): Terminated abnormally. >> CPU Usage: 0.023 seconds = 0.017 user + 0.006 sys >> Maximum Resident Size: 0 KB >> Page faults with physical i/o: 0 >> 2005/04/12 22:58:21| Creating Swap Directories > >So it was a DNS problem. Okay, that's fixed. On the next one... > >> Please note that I've set visible_hostname in squid.conf, squid-squidguard.conf and although squidguard starts without error no filtering is done. Apache is running & redirected to 8080 & port 80 is redirected to 3128 for squid > >What does the squidGuard log say? > > ? ?/var/log/squidGuard/squidGuard.log > >It should end with something like this: > > ? ?2005-04-13 13:14:00 [8782] squidGuard 1.2.0 started (1113423240.659) > ? ?2005-04-13 13:14:00 [8782] squidGuard ready for requests (1113423240.706) > > >Also make sure that you do have squidGuard running. Run this command: > > ? ? ?ps auxw | grep squidGuard > > >If you don't see a bunch of entries such as: > > ? ?squid ? ? 8786 ?0.0 ?0.0 ?9748 1448 ? ? ? ? ?S ? ?13:13 ? 0:00 (squidGuard) -c /etc/squid/squidGuard.conf > >squidGuard is not running. This might fix it: > > > ? ?/sbin/service squid stop > ? ?/sbin/chkconfig squid off > ? ?/sbin/chkconfig squidguard on > ? ?/sbin/service squidguard start > >-Eric > __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Apr 14 03:00:02 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 20:00:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp 4.2.1 & squid In-Reply-To: <5B4A27C2.4EEAA384.0092C281@netscape.net> References: <5B4A27C2.4EEAA384.0092C281@netscape.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 bear2bar at netscape.net wrote: > Hi Eric, > > OK I tried everything you suggested and it all checks except that I get the same error message as before ??? I saw a posting that the visible_hostname had to have a format of "host.domain.tld". I tried that but still the same error persists..... > > norbert I'm a bit confused, below it sounded as if you had squid starting up ok. If you are still seeing visible_hostname errors, something is wrong with your squid.conf and/or something is wrong with your DNS configs. Try commenting out the visable_hostname entry, verify that /etc/resolv.conf is correct, and add the server's ip/hostname to /etc/hosts in the format: 1.2.3.4 name.server.com name -Eric > Eric Harrison wrote: > >> On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 bear2bar at netscape.net wrote: >> >>> Hi Eric, >>> >>> Thanks for the help. >>> In /var/log/squid/squid.out >>> [root at krypton ~]# tail -f /var/log/squid/squid.out & >>> [1] 17602 >>> [root at krypton ~]# CPU Usage: 0.024 seconds = 0.012 user + 0.012 sys >>> Maximum Resident Size: 0 KB >>> Page faults with physical i/o: 0 >>> FATAL: Could not determine fully qualified hostname. ?Please set 'visible_hostname' >>> >>> Squid Cache (Version 2.5.STABLE9): Terminated abnormally. >>> CPU Usage: 0.023 seconds = 0.017 user + 0.006 sys >>> Maximum Resident Size: 0 KB >>> Page faults with physical i/o: 0 >>> 2005/04/12 22:58:21| Creating Swap Directories >> >> So it was a DNS problem. Okay, that's fixed. On the next one... >> >>> Please note that I've set visible_hostname in squid.conf, squid-squidguard.conf and although squidguard starts without error no filtering is done. Apache is running & redirected to 8080 & port 80 is redirected to 3128 for squid >> >> What does the squidGuard log say? >> >> ? ?/var/log/squidGuard/squidGuard.log >> >> It should end with something like this: >> >> ? ?2005-04-13 13:14:00 [8782] squidGuard 1.2.0 started (1113423240.659) >> ? ?2005-04-13 13:14:00 [8782] squidGuard ready for requests (1113423240.706) >> >> >> Also make sure that you do have squidGuard running. Run this command: >> >> ? ? ?ps auxw | grep squidGuard >> >> >> If you don't see a bunch of entries such as: >> >> ? ?squid ? ? 8786 ?0.0 ?0.0 ?9748 1448 ? ? ? ? ?S ? ?13:13 ? 0:00 (squidGuard) -c /etc/squid/squidGuard.conf >> >> squidGuard is not running. This might fix it: >> >> >> ? ?/sbin/service squid stop >> ? ?/sbin/chkconfig squid off >> ? ?/sbin/chkconfig squidguard on >> ? ?/sbin/service squidguard start >> >> -Eric >> From sudev at mantraonline.com Thu Apr 14 03:15:53 2005 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 08:45:53 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] GNUChess In-Reply-To: <002801c54055$fa03ad70$0100a8c0@Marian> References: <14daa0e14d6358.14d635814daa0e@shaw.ca> <425D4CEF.6070701@paasda.org> <002801c54055$fa03ad70$0100a8c0@Marian> Message-ID: <1113448553.5635.12.camel@server.ltsp> On Wed, 2005-04-13 at 20:24 +0200, M.Pribik wrote: > I have the same experience with cca 100% utilisation of CPU by GNUchess. I > have 3GHz hyperthreading P4. > CPU1 and CPU2 cyclicly alternates between cca. zero and cca. 100%. > Marian. [SNIP] See my message sometimes last summers. The only way to protect your LTSP setup is to remove the program as by default it sucks up as much resources as available to do its computation. Alternatively you have to run it with higher nice level. Maybe some guru can point HOWTO. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From sudev at mantraonline.com Thu Apr 14 03:21:04 2005 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 08:51:04 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Purge users processes at logout In-Reply-To: <20050413101957.83381.qmail@web41609.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050413101957.83381.qmail@web41609.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1113448864.5635.17.camel@server.ltsp> On Wed, 2005-04-13 at 03:19 -0700, Rob Owens wrote: > I've noticed the same problem with KDM. I can't say > for sure if KDM is better or worse than GDM, but I > suspect there is no difference. [SNIP] > > The problem is that this script only purges > > processes at logout. I suspect the > > processes you have trouble with are orphaned > > processes right? > > PURGE_PROCESSES=YES calls /usr/sbin/purge_user from > > /etc/X11/gdm/PostSession/Default. > > > > The real culprit seems to be Gdm that doesnt kill > > the users processes if they > > are left orpaned by a locked up client, a user that > > just [ctrl][alt][backspace] > > or any other event that just leaves the processes > > left hanging. Maybe KDM would > > be a better login manager until GDM gets fixed. > > > > I would love to hear a good solution on this problem > > myself. I use a script that was posted on the list to purge all processes at one minute past midnight. Cut paste from below. And thanks to the original poster. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux #!/bin/bash # Kill old leftover processes - all of them users=$(awk -F":" '{if ( $3 >= 500 ) print $1}' /etc/passwd | grep -v -e smb -e ^nfs ) for user in $users do # echo $user processes=$(ps -ef | grep ^"$user " | grep -e Jan[0-9] -e Feb [0-9] -e Mar[0-9] -e Apr[0-9] -e May[0-9] -e Jun[0-9] -e Jul[0-9] -e Aug [0-9] -e Sep[0-9] -e Oct[0-9] -e Nov[0-9] -e Dec[0-9] | awk '{print $2}') for process in $processes do kill -9 $process done done From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Thu Apr 14 04:25:39 2005 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 21:25:39 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] GNUChess In-Reply-To: <1113448553.5635.12.camel@server.ltsp> References: <14daa0e14d6358.14d635814daa0e@shaw.ca> <425D4CEF.6070701@paasda.org> <002801c54055$fa03ad70$0100a8c0@Marian> <1113448553.5635.12.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <425DF0C3.1090408@parkrose.k12.or.us> Sudev Barar wrote: > On Wed, 2005-04-13 at 20:24 +0200, M.Pribik wrote: > >>I have the same experience with cca 100% utilisation of CPU by GNUchess. I >>have 3GHz hyperthreading P4. >>CPU1 and CPU2 cyclicly alternates between cca. zero and cca. 100%. >>Marian. > > [SNIP] > > See my message sometimes last summers. The only way to protect your LTSP > setup is to remove the program as by default it sucks up as much > resources as available to do its computation. Alternatively you have to > run it with higher nice level. Maybe some guru can point HOWTO. You might try adding it to /etc/verynice.conf as a "hungryexe" and cranking up the badkarmarate, if you're using verynice. -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From robark at gmail.com Thu Apr 14 05:06:24 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 22:06:24 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Kernel upgrade RH9 -> WBEL 3 Message-ID: Is it possible to upgrade RH9 kernel 2.4.20 to WBEL 2.4.21 kernel using the kernel rpm under k12ltsp 3.2 repository? Or even getting the SRPM and compiling it? I'm asking because redhat backported many enhancements of the 2.6 kernel to the EL 2.4.21 kernel. http://www.redhat.com/software/rhel/3features/kernel/ -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From jbuch7 at eq.edu.au Thu Apr 14 06:35:00 2005 From: jbuch7 at eq.edu.au (Joel Buchan) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 16:35:00 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Pam Mount Multiple Connections In-Reply-To: <33793.82.226.204.170.1113434984.squirrel@82.226.204.170> References: <425B2262.5080204@eq.edu.au> <33793.82.226.204.170.1113434984.squirrel@82.226.204.170> Message-ID: <425E0F14.9040201@eq.edu.au> Zouhir.Hafidi at math.univ-lille1.fr wrote: >>Hey Everyone hope you can help me out I have set up a small lab of 6 >>terminals and using this guide >>http://math.univ-lille1.fg/~hafidi/terminal-services/index.html I have >>been able to authenticate to a Windows 2003 server as well as pam >>mounting the users home dirs. The problem I am having is if more than >>one user is logs in Pam mount seems to fail it doesn't mount their home >>drive, so it seems to me that it only works for one user at a time, is >>this normal? As soon as the user (the one that Pam mount worked for) >>logs out and their home directory is unmounted everything is fine again >>for the next lucky user but only the first one. Any one have any >>ideas? I feel that I am so close to getting it working in a way that >>the administration would be happy and I would be able to expand and >>bring more labs online. Thanks is advance. >> >> >> >This is a W2K3 issue... > >By default, the Windows Server 2003 Domain Controllers require SMB signing >which in this case prevents you from doing multiple mounts with different >users. You have 2 workarounds for this: > >1) Disable SMB signing on W2K3: > >- From "Administrative Tools" open "Domain Controller Security Policy" >- Select "Local Policies" ---> "Security Options" folder >- Double-click "Microsoft network server: Digitally sign communications >(always)", and then click Disabled to prevent SMB packet signing >from being required. >- Click OK. >- Reboot or run "gpupdate" to apply the Group Policy change. > >2) Leave SMB signing enabled on W2K3 and apply a cifs patch (I haven't >tested this): >https://bugzilla.samba.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2369 > >hope this helps, >ZH > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > Thanks changed the setting of the W2k3 server and everything seems ok. From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Thu Apr 14 09:35:18 2005 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 09:35:18 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] GNUChess In-Reply-To: <1113448553.5635.12.camel@server.ltsp> References: <14daa0e14d6358.14d635814daa0e@shaw.ca> <002801c54055$fa03ad70$0100a8c0@Marian> <1113448553.5635.12.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <200504140935.18629.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> On Thursday 14 April 2005 03:15, Sudev Barar wrote: > On Wed, 2005-04-13 at 20:24 +0200, M.Pribik wrote: > > I have the same experience with cca 100% utilisation of CPU by GNUchess. > > I have 3GHz hyperthreading P4. > > CPU1 and CPU2 cyclicly alternates between cca. zero and cca. 100%. > > Marian. > > [SNIP] > > See my message sometimes last summers. The only way to protect your LTSP > setup is to remove the program as by default it sucks up as much > resources as available to do its computation. Alternatively you have to > run it with higher nice level. Maybe some guru can point HOWTO. On our system, the kde menus run the command xboard. The binary for gnuchess is /usr/bin/xboard. I wrote the following wrapper /usr/local/bin/xboard which informs the user that they can only play chess after school and when they do so, the command is executed at the lowest priority. Even at the lowest priority it still hogs the cpu, but we don't care after hours. You must have the Perl/TK libraries installed for this script to work. -- cut here -- #!/usr/bin/perl #-----------------------------------------------------------------------# # @(#) xboard v1.00 - 14/01/05 (c) 2005 Handsworth Grammar School # # Author: Martin Woolley (Handsworth Grammar School) # # Written: 14/01/05 # # Reason: This is a wrapper for /usr/bin/xboard (gnuchess). # # gnuchess is a cpu hog and while we could just remove it, we # # are not completly heartless, so we will allow them to run # # the program after 15:00 hours. # #-----------------------------------------------------------------------# use Tk; ($SEC,$MIN,$HOUR,$DAY,$MONTH,$YEAR,$WEEKDAY,$DAYOFYEAR,$DST)=localtime(time); if ($HOUR < 15) { my $mw = MainWindow->new; $mw->title("Handsworth Grammar School"); $message = "You may only play chess after 3:00pm. We apologise for any inconvienience caused." ; $mw->Message(-text => $message)->pack; $mw->Button(-text => "OK", -command => sub { $mw->destroy() } ) ->pack(-side=>'left', -expand=> 1, -fill => 'x'); MainLoop; } else { $CMD="/bin/nice -n 19 /usr/bin/xboard"; $RC=exec($CMD); } exit 0; -- end cut -- -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From bear2bar at netscape.net Thu Apr 14 11:34:03 2005 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (bear2bar at netscape.net) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 07:34:03 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp 4.2.1 & squid Message-ID: <7E072415.6A0F1812.0092C281@netscape.net> Hi Eric, Yes squidguard service starts but no filtering occurs. When I run /var/log/squid/squid.out I get the same message as before ?? If I comment out the visible_hostname I get; "Stoping squid: /etc/init.d/squidguard: line 83: 8992 aborted $SQUID -k check -f /etc/squid/squid-squidGuard.conf 3>/dev/null" & Starting squid: /etc/init.d/squidguard: line 54: 8993 aborted $SQUID -k check -f /etc/squid/squid-squidGuard.conf 3>/dev/null" I checked that the host is listed in hosts & resolv.conf is right ... now what ... reinstall ? :o) thks norbert Eric Harrison wrote: >On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 bear2bar at netscape.net wrote: > >> Hi Eric, >> >> OK I tried everything you suggested and it all checks except that I get the same error message as before ??? I saw a posting that the visible_hostname had to have a format of "host.domain.tld". I tried that but still the same error persists..... >> >> norbert > >I'm a bit confused, below it sounded as if you had squid starting up ok. > >If you are still seeing visible_hostname errors, something is wrong with >your squid.conf and/or something is wrong with your DNS configs. Try >commenting out the visable_hostname entry, verify that /etc/resolv.conf >is correct, and add the server's ip/hostname to /etc/hosts in the format: > > ? ?1.2.3.4 name.server.com name > >-Eric > >> Eric Harrison wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 bear2bar at netscape.net wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Eric, >>>> >>>> Thanks for the help. >>>> In /var/log/squid/squid.out >>>> [root at krypton ~]# tail -f /var/log/squid/squid.out & >>>> [1] 17602 >>>> [root at krypton ~]# CPU Usage: 0.024 seconds = 0.012 user + 0.012 sys >>>> Maximum Resident Size: 0 KB >>>> Page faults with physical i/o: 0 >>>> FATAL: Could not determine fully qualified hostname. ?Please set 'visible_hostname' >>>> >>>> Squid Cache (Version 2.5.STABLE9): Terminated abnormally. >>>> CPU Usage: 0.023 seconds = 0.017 user + 0.006 sys >>>> Maximum Resident Size: 0 KB >>>> Page faults with physical i/o: 0 >>>> 2005/04/12 22:58:21| Creating Swap Directories >>> >>> So it was a DNS problem. Okay, that's fixed. On the next one... >>> >>>> Please note that I've set visible_hostname in squid.conf, squid-squidguard.conf and although squidguard starts without error no filtering is done. Apache is running & redirected to 8080 & port 80 is redirected to 3128 for squid >>> >>> What does the squidGuard log say? >>> >>> ? ?/var/log/squidGuard/squidGuard.log >>> >>> It should end with something like this: >>> >>> ? ?2005-04-13 13:14:00 [8782] squidGuard 1.2.0 started (1113423240.659) >>> ? ?2005-04-13 13:14:00 [8782] squidGuard ready for requests (1113423240.706) >>> >>> >>> Also make sure that you do have squidGuard running. Run this command: >>> >>> ? ? ?ps auxw | grep squidGuard >>> >>> >>> If you don't see a bunch of entries such as: >>> >>> ? ?squid ? ? 8786 ?0.0 ?0.0 ?9748 1448 ? ? ? ? ?S ? ?13:13 ? 0:00 (squidGuard) -c /etc/squid/squidGuard.conf >>> >>> squidGuard is not running. This might fix it: >>> >>> >>> ? ?/sbin/service squid stop >>> ? ?/sbin/chkconfig squid off >>> ? ?/sbin/chkconfig squidguard on >>> ? ?/sbin/service squidguard start >>> >>> -Eric >>> > __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Thu Apr 14 12:30:05 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 08:30:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP, WINE, RDesktop & Sound In-Reply-To: <425D6DF0.5000101@gmail.com> References: <425D6DF0.5000101@gmail.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 at 3:07 PM +0000 wrote: >I did a search of the archives and found nothing so here it goes.... > >We have approximately 120 Windows 2000 computers that are mostly Dell >Optiplexes. They have lots of memory and are running as well as can be >expected. The network is 100 Mbit. And we'll be connecting the switches >to the LTSP servers with Gigabit uplinks. So bandwidth shouldn't be an >issue. Servers will be dual processor Opterons with lots of RAM. So we >have lots of processing power. > >My concern is providing sound to the LTSP clients. And specifically for >providing sound for a few Windows applications that just won't go away. >What am I up against here? > >My options for running these Windows apps are either WINE or RDesktop w/ >Windows Terminal Server. > >Thanks, >Casey Woods We run rdesktop with Win 2003 terminal server....no sound as anything we need sound for is in Linux. We simply run M$ Office as another offering in Terminal Server. I have tried sound in rdesktop, but it's so slow that it's unusable. WINE may work better as the app will work on the LTSP server, but no promises. What are the programs that you need to run? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Thu Apr 14 12:30:05 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 08:30:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP, WINE, RDesktop & Sound In-Reply-To: <425D6DF0.5000101@gmail.com> References: <425D6DF0.5000101@gmail.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 at 3:07 PM +0000 wrote: >I did a search of the archives and found nothing so here it goes.... > >We have approximately 120 Windows 2000 computers that are mostly Dell >Optiplexes. They have lots of memory and are running as well as can be >expected. The network is 100 Mbit. And we'll be connecting the switches >to the LTSP servers with Gigabit uplinks. So bandwidth shouldn't be an >issue. Servers will be dual processor Opterons with lots of RAM. So we >have lots of processing power. > >My concern is providing sound to the LTSP clients. And specifically for >providing sound for a few Windows applications that just won't go away. >What am I up against here? > >My options for running these Windows apps are either WINE or RDesktop w/ >Windows Terminal Server. > >Thanks, >Casey Woods We run rdesktop with Win 2003 terminal server....no sound as anything we need sound for is in Linux. We simply run M$ Office as another offering in Terminal Server. I have tried sound in rdesktop, but it's so slow that it's unusable. WINE may work better as the app will work on the LTSP server, but no promises. What are the programs that you need to run? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From petre at maltzen.net Thu Apr 14 13:02:45 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 08:02:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] GNUChess In-Reply-To: <200504140935.18629.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> References: <14daa0e14d6358.14d635814daa0e@shaw.ca> <002801c54055$fa03ad70$0100a8c0@Marian> <1113448553.5635.12.camel@server.ltsp> <200504140935.18629.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> Message-ID: <425E69F5.4080500@maltzen.net> This might be a good case to try building an application server dedicated to GNUchess. If GNUchess will run acceptably on a lesser box, and you have an old spare one to use for this, it could be a good experiment. Even if it fails, the impact would be insignificant (as opposed to trying this w/OOo which everyone depends on). And when it sucks up all the CPU cycles, who cares, as those cycles aren't used for anything else. Petre Martin Woolley wrote: > On Thursday 14 April 2005 03:15, Sudev Barar wrote: > >>On Wed, 2005-04-13 at 20:24 +0200, M.Pribik wrote: >> >>>I have the same experience with cca 100% utilisation of CPU by GNUchess. >>>I have 3GHz hyperthreading P4. >>>CPU1 and CPU2 cyclicly alternates between cca. zero and cca. 100%. >>>Marian. >> >>[SNIP] >> >>See my message sometimes last summers. The only way to protect your LTSP >>setup is to remove the program as by default it sucks up as much >>resources as available to do its computation. Alternatively you have to >>run it with higher nice level. Maybe some guru can point HOWTO. > > > On our system, the kde menus run the command xboard. The binary for gnuchess > is /usr/bin/xboard. I wrote the following wrapper /usr/local/bin/xboard > which informs the user that they can only play chess after school and when > they do so, the command is executed at the lowest priority. Even at the > lowest priority it still hogs the cpu, but we don't care after hours. You > must have the Perl/TK libraries installed for this script to work. > > -- cut here -- > > #!/usr/bin/perl > #-----------------------------------------------------------------------# > # @(#) xboard v1.00 - 14/01/05 (c) 2005 Handsworth Grammar School # > # Author: Martin Woolley (Handsworth Grammar School) # > # Written: 14/01/05 # > # Reason: This is a wrapper for /usr/bin/xboard (gnuchess). # > # gnuchess is a cpu hog and while we could just remove it, we # > # are not completly heartless, so we will allow them to run # > # the program after 15:00 hours. # > #-----------------------------------------------------------------------# > > use Tk; > > ($SEC,$MIN,$HOUR,$DAY,$MONTH,$YEAR,$WEEKDAY,$DAYOFYEAR,$DST)=localtime(time); > if ($HOUR < 15) { > > my $mw = MainWindow->new; > $mw->title("Handsworth Grammar School"); > > $message = "You may only play chess after 3:00pm. We apologise for any > inconvienience caused." ; > $mw->Message(-text => $message)->pack; > > $mw->Button(-text => "OK", -command => > sub { $mw->destroy() } ) > ->pack(-side=>'left', -expand=> 1, -fill => 'x'); > > MainLoop; > > } > else { > $CMD="/bin/nice -n 19 /usr/bin/xboard"; > $RC=exec($CMD); > } > > exit 0; > -- end cut -- From petre at maltzen.net Thu Apr 14 13:05:21 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 08:05:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP, WINE, RDesktop & Sound In-Reply-To: References: <425D6DF0.5000101@gmail.com> Message-ID: <425E6A91.8040807@maltzen.net> (Dave, you're still double-posting, FYI. Or perhaps that's intentional and you need it that way (?)) David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Wednesday, April 13, 2005 at 3:07 PM +0000 wrote: > >>I did a search of the archives and found nothing so here it goes.... >> >>We have approximately 120 Windows 2000 computers that are mostly Dell >>Optiplexes. They have lots of memory and are running as well as can be >>expected. The network is 100 Mbit. And we'll be connecting the switches >>to the LTSP servers with Gigabit uplinks. So bandwidth shouldn't be an >>issue. Servers will be dual processor Opterons with lots of RAM. So we >>have lots of processing power. >> >>My concern is providing sound to the LTSP clients. And specifically for >>providing sound for a few Windows applications that just won't go away. >>What am I up against here? >> >>My options for running these Windows apps are either WINE or RDesktop w/ >>Windows Terminal Server. >> >>Thanks, >>Casey Woods > > > We run rdesktop with Win 2003 terminal server....no sound as anything we > need sound for is in Linux. We simply run M$ Office as another offering > in Terminal Server. I have tried sound in rdesktop, but it's so slow that > it's unusable. WINE may work better as the app will work on the LTSP > server, but no promises. What are the programs that you need to run? > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Thu Apr 14 13:30:25 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 09:30:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP, WINE, RDesktop & Sound In-Reply-To: <425E6A91.8040807@maltzen.net> References: <425D6DF0.5000101@gmail.com> < > <425E6A91.8040807@maltzen.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, April 14, 2005 at 9:05 AM +0000 wrote: >(Dave, you're still double-posting, FYI. Or perhaps that's intentional >and you need it >that way (?)) No it's not intentional, but for some reason the address is showing up in my CC line as well when I reply and often I don't catch it, (but did this time) ;-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From les at futuresource.com Thu Apr 14 14:52:58 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 09:52:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP, WINE, RDesktop & Sound In-Reply-To: References: <425D6DF0.5000101@gmail.com> < > <425E6A91.8040807@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1113490377.8222.6.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2005-04-14 at 08:30, David Trask wrote: > >(Dave, you're still double-posting, FYI. Or perhaps that's intentional > >and you need it > >that way (?)) > > No it's not intentional, but for some reason the address is showing up in > my CC line as well when I reply and often I don't catch it, (but did this > time) ;-) Blame it on qmail. More sensible mailers would send all addresses to the same destination host in one message, and the final delivery would weed out the duplicates so the CC: wouldn't matter. Qmail, as your first-hop transport splits all addresses into separate messages and sends each separately, even to the same destination. After that, nothing else can tell that it was a duplicate. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From cbutler at shoreschool.org Thu Apr 14 14:59:56 2005 From: cbutler at shoreschool.org (Christopher Butler) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 10:59:56 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP clients accessing home folders on OS X Server Message-ID: For starters, I'm being a bit lazy - I haven't searched the archives because I'm not sure what I should be searching for! Here's what we currently have for our K12LTSP setup -- 1 big honking server with 2 NICs, 1 NIC connects to our LAN, the second connects to a private VLAN with the LTSP clients. The LTSP server runs it's own DHCP server for the LTSP clients (as well as DNS). We have 5 workstations in the LTSP zone - each has an associated user account and they are used as card catalog kiosks and web browser kiosks around the library. Limited I know, but it works like a charm and other than the expense for the server, it hasn't cost me a penny. Here's what else we have -- 1 big honking XServe with an attached XRAID running OS X 10.3, Open Directory, home directories for 400 users, supporting 200 Macs, using MCX, all sitting on our LAN. All works like a charm. I have a separate Fedora box running BIND & DHCP for the LAN (the LTSP server is one of my slave DNS servers). Here's what I want to do -- I've got 24 Bondi iMacs that have been siting in the basement for a year, and know the K12LTSP supports Bondi clients, I want to put them to use. So, I'd like to put them in my LTSP VLAN and stick bunches of them in the english classrooms as writing stations (OpenOffice.org is what I'm thinking right now - but maybe there is something else?). But, I need to make it easy for our students to access their files on the OS X server on the other side of the LTSP server. I don't need these iMacs to run OS X, just boot into Linux, let the student log in with his/her Open Directory account, and access the same files she/he sees when sitting at a networked OS X machine. So, what do I need to look at, learn about, think about to get this working? Some thoughts already running through my head 1 - should I make my LTSP Server a single NIC server, move all the DHCP to my current DHCP server and then all the LTSP clients will already be in the same LAN? 2 - what protocol should the LTSP server/clients use to access the OS X Server -- AFP? NFS? SMB? 3 - how do I properly get the LTSP server to authenticate users to the Open Directory server? I tried this last year for fun and had some weird isses with the root user on LTSP - every time I logged in as root it forced me to change the password. Very strange. Thanks for any insight, Christopher Butler Director of Technology Shore Country Day School Beverly, MA 01915 cbutler at shoreschool.org A text picture to illustrate the network setup: Internet | | Router | | Lan | | --+---------+-----+------+-----------+--... | | | | OSX Server LTSP Server OSX Client OSX Client | | | --+-----+-------+-------------+---... | | | LTSP Client LTSP Client LTSP Client From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Apr 14 15:57:22 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 08:57:22 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp 4.2.1 & squid In-Reply-To: <7E072415.6A0F1812.0092C281@netscape.net> References: <7E072415.6A0F1812.0092C281@netscape.net> Message-ID: <425E92E2.409@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> bear2bar at netscape.net wrote: > Hi Eric, > > Yes squidguard service starts but no filtering occurs. When I run /var/log/squid/squid.out I get the same message as before ?? > If I comment out the visible_hostname I get; > "Stoping squid: /etc/init.d/squidguard: line 83: 8992 aborted $SQUID -k check -f /etc/squid/squid-squidGuard.conf 3>/dev/null" > & > Starting squid: /etc/init.d/squidguard: line 54: 8993 aborted $SQUID -k check -f /etc/squid/squid-squidGuard.conf 3>/dev/null" > > I checked that the host is listed in hosts & resolv.conf is right ... now what ... reinstall ? :o) > > thks > norbert Reinstalling would be the hard-way to fix it, but it is always an option. I'm still leaning towards you have a small typo somewhere and/or your DNS is screwed up. Can you email me a copy of your /etc/squid/squid-squidGuard.conf, /etc/resolv.conf, and /etc/hosts? Also run tail on /var/log/squid/cache.log, /var/log/squid/squid.out, and /var/log/squidGuard/squidGuard.log and include the output. Since those are fairly large, please email them directly to me rather than to the list. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 14 16:25:26 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 09:25:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Can not access science web site. Can firefox masquerade as another browser? In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050414162526.1675.qmail@web41622.mail.yahoo.com> what exactly does "switching the user agent of the browser" do? I just tried installing this extension and used it to visit an IE-only site, but no joy. Does this extension simply report to the website that the browser is IE, or does it actually implement some IE-only functionality? -Rob --- Adam Melancon wrote: > User Agent Switcher - Firefox Extension > > User Agent Switcher 0.6.1, by Chris Pederick, > released on December 05, 2004 > Quick Description > > Adds a menu to switch the user agent of the browser. > > > https://addons.update.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?id=59 > > On 4/13/05, Bill Bardon > wrote: > > On Wednesday, Apr 13 Dan Young wrote: > > > This is good. You should also complain loudly > and often to them for > > > having a broken site. IE-only sites are soooo > late 90's. > > > > YES! > > > > Sites that exclude other browsers need to hear > from us. I just sent a > > message to these folks along that line. Some of > you may want to > > follow suit. Just don't quote mine verbatim - too > obvious. ;-) > > > > Here it is: > > > > Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 12:31:55 -0500 > > From: Bill Bardon > > To: webmaster at pearson.com > > Subject: Browser compatibility > > > > The Scott Foresman Science web site (goes with 3rd > grade text book) > > does not allow browsing with Firefox, even though > the browser works > > fine, as far as I can tell. If I instruct Firefox > to identify itself to > > the server as MS IE 6.0, the site functions > without problems. > > > > Do you have plans to include Firefox in your list > of acceptable browsers > > soon? Better yet, please eliminate the > browser-specific code wherever > > possible and make your site accessible to the > larger public. Let users > > choose their browser. See how at > http://validator.w3.org/ > > > > More schools, including the ones I am involved > with, are moving to Linux > > and/or using Firefox to escape IE's security woes. > Not just web sites, > > but educational software for Linux is going to see > a large increase in > > market size. I hope Scott Foresman will be > proactive in recognizing > > this, and implementing more platform-independent > products in the near > > future. > > > > -- > > Bill Bardon > > COMPUTASSIST > > Omaha, Nebraska > > http://www.computassist.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > -- > Adam Melancon > Work: http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us > Personal: http://www.melancon.org > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail From bmabbott at riverdale.k12.or.us Thu Apr 14 17:31:12 2005 From: bmabbott at riverdale.k12.or.us (Ben Mabbott) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 10:31:12 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Can not access science web site. Can firefox masquerade as another browser? In-Reply-To: <20050414162526.1675.qmail@web41622.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050414162526.1675.qmail@web41622.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <425EA8E0.4000702@riverdale.k12.or.us> Rob Owens wrote: >what exactly does "switching the user agent of the >browser" do? I just tried installing this extension >and used it to visit an IE-only site, but no joy. >Does this extension simply report to the website that >the browser is IE, or does it actually implement some >IE-only functionality? > > Right, all it does is report to the server that your browser is IE, it doesn't provide any IE functionality like ActiveX. This was useful in the days when there were lots of sites that would not display unless your browser was IE or Netscape, presumably because webmasters wanted to standardize and not worry about whether other browsers would format their pages properly. If the server could be tricked into thinking the browser was IE, it would work just fine. These days it's pretty rare to run into sites like that, but it still happens once in a while. Unfortunately, in their place have come sites that really do have code only IE can process. -Ben From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Thu Apr 14 18:10:28 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 14:10:28 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Question about my laptop...XP, Fedora, Ubuntu and GRUB Message-ID: Hi all, I currently have a new laptop (HP zv5000) and I am dual booting right now with XP and K12LTSP 4.2 (Fedora Core 3). I'm really having fun with the new Hoary Hedgehog version of Kubuntu and Ubuntu. Many of the things I can't get to work in FC3 will work in Unbuntu. So...what I want to do is blow away FC3 and load Ubuntu. I imagine if I use a partition tool and delete the partitions that FC lives on I should be able to simply put in the Ubuntu install disk and go for it....but I wonder about GRUB....will GRUB be automatically overwritten to reflect the new Ubuntu install...or will it at least show up as a choice and thus I can at least boot to Ubuntu and edit out the old stuff? Any tips and pointers appreciated....I need to preserve the Windows side for now...but want to use Ubuntu or Kubuntu instead of FC3.... David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 14 18:42:16 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 11:42:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Question about my laptop...XP, Fedora, Ubuntu and GRUB In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050414184216.68283.qmail@web41613.mail.yahoo.com> I assume you have grub installed in the MBR. If so, it won't be touched when you delete the FC3 partition(s). So when you install Ubuntu, if it doesn't install a bootloader for you, the worst that will happen is it will require some configuration to boot Ubuntu. But Windows should boot just fine because like I said, your current bootloader won't be touched. If Ubuntu does install a new bootloader, I assume it would provide you access to your Windows system, but I can't say for sure. In any case, you'll be able to configure grub with a Knoppix CD. I can't give you specifics, but I've done it with lilo. -Rob --- David Trask wrote: > Hi all, > > I currently have a new laptop (HP zv5000) and I am > dual booting right now > with XP and K12LTSP 4.2 (Fedora Core 3). I'm really > having fun with the > new Hoary Hedgehog version of Kubuntu and Ubuntu. > Many of the things I > can't get to work in FC3 will work in Unbuntu. > So...what I want to do is > blow away FC3 and load Ubuntu. I imagine if I use a > partition tool and > delete the partitions that FC lives on I should be > able to simply put in > the Ubuntu install disk and go for it....but I > wonder about GRUB....will > GRUB be automatically overwritten to reflect the new > Ubuntu install...or > will it at least show up as a choice and thus I can > at least boot to > Ubuntu and edit out the old stuff? Any tips and > pointers appreciated....I > need to preserve the Windows side for now...but want > to use Ubuntu or > Kubuntu instead of FC3.... > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Thu Apr 14 18:54:48 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 14:54:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Question about my laptop...XP, Fedora, =?ISO-8859-1?Q? Ubuntu_?= and GRUB In-Reply-To: <20050414184216.68283.qmail@web41613.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050414184216.68283.qmail@web41613.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, April 14, 2005 at 2:42 PM +0000 wrote: >I assume you have grub installed in the MBR. If so, >it won't be touched when you delete the FC3 >partition(s). So when you install Ubuntu, if it >doesn't install a bootloader for you, the worst that >will happen is it will require some configuration to >boot Ubuntu. But Windows should boot just fine >because like I said, your current bootloader won't be >touched. > >If Ubuntu does install a new bootloader, I assume it >would provide you access to your Windows system, but I >can't say for sure. > >In any case, you'll be able to configure grub with a >Knoppix CD. I can't give you specifics, but I've done >it with lilo. > >-Rob How about this? If I delete grub from the MBR altogether using fixboot or xpboot and run fixmbr....then will installing Ubuntu put in grub like FC3 did and set it up correctly? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Apr 14 19:16:13 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 19:16:13 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Message-ID: <200504141809.j3EI9Pi19161@downeast.net> id wager ubuntu will recognize the windows side and rewrite grub for you.. David: Are you using lexiASOS ON IBOOKS: SEEMS TO WORK FINE AS A LOCAL INSTALL BUT DAMNED IF I CAN GET IT TOP WORK OFF THE NETWORK RECORDS FOLDER EVERYONE ELSE IS USing..(cliebow pries the capslock key off his keyuboard and deep sixes it..chuck > need to preserve the Windows side for now...but want to use Ubuntu or > Kubuntu instead of FC3.... > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From julius at turtle.com Thu Apr 14 19:31:59 2005 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 15:31:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] users kicked out on 4.2.1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Apr 2005, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Mon, 11 Apr 2005, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > > > Dear Folks, > > after upgrading my 3.2.0 production server to 4.2.1 (pre), I > > started experiencing sudden user logouts and station inability to get a > > login screen. This looks as if the MaxSessions in gdm.conf was > > too low, but the bad behavior continues after changing this number from > > 250 to 2500 and rebooting. What am I missing here? The users are beginning > > to riot. > > thanks, julius > > Since you did an upgrade, there is a chance that something is wrong > with the SELinux config. Try turning off SELinux enforcing mode > by running this command: > > echo 0 > /selinux/enforce > > > If that makes your problem go away, you can either permanently turn > off enforcing or relabel the file system. > > To change the SELinux behavor, edit /etc/sysconfig/selinux and reboot. > > To relabel the filesystem, this should do the trick: > > restorecon -R / > > > If turning off SELinux doesn't fix it, can you provide us with a > little more info? Otherwise we're mostly just guessing. > > * contents of /var/log/gdm/*.log > * your config (one NIC or two NICs, etc) > * unusual output from "dmesg" > * anything interesting in /var/log/messages, /var/log/secure, etc. > > -Eric Sorry for the long silence, too many meetings. The problem persists. cat /selinux/enforce comes up empty, that is returns nothing, after echo 0 > /selinux/enforce it still comes back with nothing, not a "0". The only strange stuff I could find in /var/log/messages looks like this: Apr 13 10:12:45 solinden rpc.mountd: authenticated mount request from ws102.turt le.com:657 for /opt/ltsp/i386 (/opt/ltsp/i386) Apr 13 10:12:45 solinden gdm[31911]: Ping to ws078.turtle.com:0 failed, whacking display! Apr 13 10:12:45 solinden gconfd (jszoke-11191): Received signal 15, shutting down cleanly Apr 13 10:12:45 solinden gconfd (jszoke-11191): Exiting Apr 13 10:12:48 ws102 syslogd started: BusyBox v0.60.4 (2004.11.12-23:02+0000) The workstation where user jszoke was forcibly logged out is ws078. The only visible configuration change between the old and new setup is that now I have the xscreensaver running; previously it was disabled. dmesg looks fine, other than many avc messages. I did set SELinux to "warn" at upgrade time. /var/log/gdm/:0.log was last updated on Apr 11, no event recorded after that date. The configuration is 2 Xeon processors, 4GB, 2 Gig NICs, eth0 feeding terminals - standard, other than the network address. dhcpd doesn't give out addresses to unknown devices. I am a bit at a loss here, and how do I turn off xscreensaver - the hardware screen blanking is just fine and consumes no bandwidth. Thanks, julius From lmcpherson at mail.sumner.k12.me.us Thu Apr 14 18:32:35 2005 From: lmcpherson at mail.sumner.k12.me.us (Larry McPherson) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 14:32:35 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] PDC-Controller problem Message-ID: <200504141932.j3EJWjQr016559@mx3.redhat.com> I've followed the instructions on the http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/smbldap/ web site and everything works great until I get to the step where I add users/groups/machines. When I type: smbldap-useradd -m -a username or smbldap-passwd username or smbldap-groupadd -a -g 525 Students or smbldap-groupadd -a -g 526 Staff or smbldap-useradd -w machinename I get the following response: bash: smbldap-useradd: command not found -- smbldap-usradd/passwd/groupadd all get the same error message. My path is /usr/kerberos/sbin:/usr/kerberos/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/b in:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/root/bin If I type: ls -al /home or net groupmap list I get a response similar to what is listed on the web. Larry From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Apr 14 19:37:35 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 12:37:35 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] users kicked out on 4.2.1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <425EC67F.2090805@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > Apr 13 10:12:45 solinden gdm[31911]: Ping to ws078.turtle.com:0 failed, > whacking display! > The workstation where user jszoke was forcibly logged out is ws078. There is the guilty party right there. If the server cannot ping a terminal, after a period of time it assumes the terminal is dead and kills off the session. The default for this is 15 seconds. You can change this value in /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf: PingIntervalSeconds=15 -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Apr 14 19:28:37 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 19:28:37 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] PDC-Controller problem Message-ID: <200504141821.j3EILoi21187@downeast.net> figure out where smbldap-useradd lives..i think it is some wierd place out of your path like /etc/opt/smbldaptools..someplace weird..might have to tweak the script enough to specify the right path> I've followed the instructions on the > http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/smbldap/ web site and everything works > great until I get to the step where I add users/groups/machines. When I > type: smbldap-useradd -m -a username or smbldap-passwd username or > smbldap-groupadd -a -g 525 Students or smbldap-groupadd -a -g 526 Staff or > smbldap-useradd -w machinename I get the following response: bash: > smbldap-useradd: command not found -- smbldap-usradd/passwd/groupadd all get > the same error message. > > My path is > /usr/kerberos/sbin:/usr/kerberos/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/b > in:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/root/bin > > If I type: ls -al /home or net groupmap list I get a response similar to > what is listed on the web. > > Larry > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Thu Apr 14 19:42:20 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 20:42:20 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] PDC-Controller problem In-Reply-To: <200504141821.j3EILoi21187@downeast.net> References: <200504141821.j3EILoi21187@downeast.net> Message-ID: <425EC79C.9070900@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> cliebow at downeast.net wrote: >figure out where smbldap-useradd lives..i think it is some wierd place out >of your path like /etc/opt/smbldaptools..someplace weird..might have to >tweak the script enough to specify the right path> I've followed the >instructions on the > > >>http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/smbldap/ web site and everything works >>great until I get to the step where I add users/groups/machines. When I >>type: smbldap-useradd -m -a username or smbldap-passwd username or >>smbldap-groupadd -a -g 525 Students or smbldap-groupadd -a -g 526 Staff or >>smbldap-useradd -w machinename I get the following response: bash: >>smbldap-useradd: command not found -- smbldap-usradd/passwd/groupadd all get >>the same error message. >> >>My path is >>/usr/kerberos/sbin:/usr/kerberos/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/b >>in:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/root/bin >> >>If I type: ls -al /home or net groupmap list I get a response similar to >>what is listed on the web. >> >>Larry >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > > >--------------------------------------------- >This message was sent from Downeast.Net. >http://ellsworthme.com/ > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > I had to add /opt/IDEALX/sbin: to my path so I could just type smbldap-useradd Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From julius at turtle.com Thu Apr 14 19:58:02 2005 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 15:58:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] users kicked out on 4.2.1 In-Reply-To: <425EC67F.2090805@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: On Thu, 14 Apr 2005, Eric Harrison wrote: > Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > > > Apr 13 10:12:45 solinden gdm[31911]: Ping to ws078.turtle.com:0 failed, > > whacking display! > > > The workstation where user jszoke was forcibly logged out is ws078. > > There is the guilty party right there. If the server cannot ping a > terminal, after a period of time it assumes the terminal is dead and > kills off the session. The default for this is 15 seconds. > > You can change this value in /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf: > > PingIntervalSeconds=15 > This forces me to ask some questions: 1. why it can not be pinged - when I ping it it is always fine. 2. why when this happens -nobody- can log in. Of course the answer to those question is "network problem", but I had no changes to the network from before the upgrade. julius From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Apr 14 20:34:12 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 20:34:12 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] PDC-Controller problem Message-ID: <200504141927.j3EJROi01146@downeast.net> that sounds good: thats why i prefer smbldap-tools 0.8.7 as it installs to /sbin chuck > cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > > >figure out where smbldap-useradd lives..i think it is some wierd place out > >of your path like /etc/opt/smbldaptools..someplace weird..might have to > >tweak the script enough to specify the right path> I've followed the > >instructions on the > > > > > >>http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/smbldap/ web site and everything works > >>great until I get to the step where I add users/groups/machines. When I > >>type: smbldap-useradd -m -a username or smbldap-passwd username or > >>smbldap-groupadd -a -g 525 Students or smbldap-groupadd -a -g 526 Staff or > >>smbldap-useradd -w machinename I get the following response: bash: > >>smbldap-useradd: command not found -- smbldap-usradd/passwd/groupadd all get > >>the same error message. > >> > >>My path is > >>/usr/kerberos/sbin:/usr/kerberos/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/b > >>in:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/root/bin > >> > >>If I type: ls -al /home or net groupmap list I get a response similar to > >>what is listed on the web. > >> > >>Larry > >> > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>K12OSN mailing list > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>For more info see > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >--------------------------------------------- > >This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > >http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > I had to add /opt/IDEALX/sbin: to my path so I could just type > smbldap-useradd > > Brian > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily > the views of Portsmouth College > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Apr 14 21:30:53 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 14:30:53 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] users kicked out on 4.2.1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <425EE10D.5040204@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > On Thu, 14 Apr 2005, Eric Harrison wrote: > > >>Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: >> >> >>>Apr 13 10:12:45 solinden gdm[31911]: Ping to ws078.turtle.com:0 failed, >>>whacking display! >> >> >> >>>The workstation where user jszoke was forcibly logged out is ws078. >> >>There is the guilty party right there. If the server cannot ping a >>terminal, after a period of time it assumes the terminal is dead and >>kills off the session. The default for this is 15 seconds. >> >>You can change this value in /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf: >> >>PingIntervalSeconds=15 >> > > This forces me to ask some questions: 1. why it can not be pinged - when I > ping it it is always fine. 2. why when this happens -nobody- can log in. > Of course the answer to those question is "network problem", but I had no > changes to the network from before the upgrade. julius > At least it helps narrow down the problem set. The first thing that jumps to my mind is an ethernet driver problem. Or maybe the RJ45 cable got kinked as you were moving the system around. Etc, etc. I'd run dmesg, ifconfig, and scan /var/log/messages looking for anything related to the ethernet. If it is connected into a managed switch, I'd check the logs there & stats on the port. Etc, etc. I actually had this happen to me about an hour ago! I have an old junk Netgear hub shoved under my desk that started spontaneously rebooting. I fixed mine by plugging the terminal directly into the wall ;-) -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From robark at gmail.com Thu Apr 14 21:42:52 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 14:42:52 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Slackware + Ubuntu dual boot using lilo Message-ID: I have Slackware installed like this /dev/hda1 mounted as /boot /dev/hda2 as swap /dev/hda3 as / I installed Ubuntu 5.04 in expert mode to /dev/hda4 as / and hda2 as swap I did not install lilo or grub during the Ubuntu install. Rebooted Slack and mounted /dev/hda4 as /mnt/ubuntu then edited lilo.conf to include another stanza image = /mnt/ubuntu/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-5-386 root = /dev/hda4 label = Ubuntu read-only then #lilo But when I reboot and choose Ubuntu I get the following kernel panic. === VFS: Cannot open root device "304" or unknown-block(3,4) Please append a correct "ROOT= " boot option Kernel panic -not syncing: vfs: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(3,4) === I tried doing rdev /mnt/ubuntu/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-5-386 /dev/hda4 and then #lilo but it did not work. I can still boot Slackware just fine. Any help is much appreciated. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From jhansknecht at hanstech.com Thu Apr 14 21:07:36 2005 From: jhansknecht at hanstech.com (John Hansknecht) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 17:07:36 -0400 Subject: [ok-mail] [K12OSN] School Size In-Reply-To: <425BE470.4000706@cameron.k12.mo.us> References: <425BE470.4000706@cameron.k12.mo.us> Message-ID: <200504141707.37193.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> On Tuesday 12 April 2005 11:08, Al Dow wrote: > What size school do most of you have? We have 930 students with about 280 computers. We have 110 of the computers running as LTSP terminals. John From casey.woods at gmail.com Fri Apr 15 00:25:29 2005 From: casey.woods at gmail.com (Casey Woods) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 18:25:29 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP, WINE, RDesktop & Sound In-Reply-To: References: <425D6DF0.5000101@gmail.com> Message-ID: <425F09F9.6040902@gmail.com> Encarta, and a couple of educational games. Nothing intense. Does it make a difference if RDesktop runs as a local app? David Trask wrote: >"Support list for opensource software in schools." on >Wednesday, April 13, 2005 at 3:07 PM +0000 wrote: > > >>I did a search of the archives and found nothing so here it goes.... >> >>We have approximately 120 Windows 2000 computers that are mostly Dell >>Optiplexes. They have lots of memory and are running as well as can be >>expected. The network is 100 Mbit. And we'll be connecting the switches >>to the LTSP servers with Gigabit uplinks. So bandwidth shouldn't be an >>issue. Servers will be dual processor Opterons with lots of RAM. So we >>have lots of processing power. >> >>My concern is providing sound to the LTSP clients. And specifically for >>providing sound for a few Windows applications that just won't go away. >>What am I up against here? >> >>My options for running these Windows apps are either WINE or RDesktop w/ >>Windows Terminal Server. >> >>Thanks, >>Casey Woods >> >> > >We run rdesktop with Win 2003 terminal server....no sound as anything we >need sound for is in Linux. We simply run M$ Office as another offering >in Terminal Server. I have tried sound in rdesktop, but it's so slow that >it's unusable. WINE may work better as the app will work on the LTSP >server, but no promises. What are the programs that you need to run? > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >(207)923-3100 > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From casey.woods at gmail.com Fri Apr 15 00:37:01 2005 From: casey.woods at gmail.com (Casey Woods) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 18:37:01 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Mobile Wireless Lab? Message-ID: <425F0CAD.3010105@gmail.com> I've done a search on Wireless LTSP and the information seems a bit sketchy and there are a lot of gaps. I hear rumors of a wireless LTSP package but I'm having a tough time finding details or a HOWTO. I have a mobile lab that includes 20 laptops. All are Pentium 2 233s. Not sure what brand, but I'm going to guess Dell. All classrooms are wired, so they just plugin an access point, boot up the laptops with Win98 and off they go. Slowly.... We'd like to convert these laptops to thin clients. Is it possible to net boot with a PCMCIA wireless card? I believe the cards are 802.11G so the network connection should be fast enough if I can get them to connect. Could I install LTSP client software on the local hard drive? What are the chances it will work with my network card? I'll do whatever it takes! If I can get this to work then they may hold a parade in my honor. You're all invited. I'd be interested to hear from you if you've got this working. Thanks, Casey Woods Calgary Alberta From robark at gmail.com Fri Apr 15 02:09:51 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 19:09:51 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: OT: Slackware + Ubuntu dual boot using lilo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I suspect it is because I chose reiserfs as the fs type. I'm assuming the Ubuntu kernel does not come with reiser support built in to the 2.6.10 kernel. If this is the case, is there any way to build reiserfs support into kernel from the install cd shell or slackware? I don't know how to use an initial ram disk to load the reiserfs module. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From vceder at canterburyschool.org Fri Apr 15 02:27:07 2005 From: vceder at canterburyschool.org (Vern Ceder) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 21:27:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: OT: Slackware + Ubuntu dual boot using lilo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <425F267B.1030504@canterburyschool.org> I just checked my one of my Ubuntu machines - it DOES have support for reiserfs (the kernel module at least) as a part of the stock i386 flavor of the 2.6.10 kernel... also see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=173 As to the initrd, did you include something like initrd=/path/to/ubuntu/initrd in your lilo.conf's ubuntu section? If so, it should load reiserfs as needed... Cheers, Vern Robert Arkiletian wrote: > I suspect it is because I chose reiserfs as the fs type. I'm assuming > the Ubuntu kernel does not come with reiser support built in to the > 2.6.10 kernel. > > If this is the case, is there any way to build reiserfs support into > kernel from the install cd shell or slackware? > > I don't know how to use an initial ram disk to load the reiserfs module. > -- This time for sure! -Bullwinkle J. Moose ----------------------------- Vern Ceder, Director of Technology Canterbury School, 3210 Smith Road, Ft Wayne, IN 46804 vceder at canterburyschool.org; 260-436-0746; FAX: 260-436-5137 From bklinux at verizon.net Fri Apr 15 02:44:36 2005 From: bklinux at verizon.net (Byron Kapali) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 16:44:36 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Ghost printer... Message-ID: <425F2A94.7050805@verizon.net> Aloha All, I swapped out our network printer that died with another network printer. So, intuitively I deleted the printer from System Tools->Printer and added the new printer. I assumed that the change would traverse to all clients but all it did was ADD the new printer to the list of printers it can print to. Under "Location" for the old printer it says "Location Unknown" BUT the programs still want to print to that printer. I set the new printer as default and it STILL insist that I print from the "Old" printer. Any suggestions? Byron From robark at gmail.com Fri Apr 15 03:13:35 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 20:13:35 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: OT: Slackware + Ubuntu dual boot using lilo In-Reply-To: <425F267B.1030504@canterburyschool.org> References: <425F267B.1030504@canterburyschool.org> Message-ID: On 4/14/05, Vern Ceder wrote: > As to the initrd, did you include something like > > initrd=/path/to/ubuntu/initrd > > in your lilo.conf's ubuntu section? If so, it should load reiserfs as > needed... Thank you so much Vern. That's was I was missing. I did not know how to load the initrd because I don't use it in Slackware. Now I can play with Ubuntu. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Apr 15 03:20:44 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 23:20:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP, WINE, RDesktop & Sound In-Reply-To: <425F09F9.6040902@gmail.com> References: <425D6DF0.5000101@gmail.com> < > <425F09F9.6040902@gmail.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, April 14, 2005 at 8:25 PM +0000 wrote: >Encarta, and a couple of educational games. Nothing intense. Use Wikipedia instead as it has 1000's more entries than Encarta and it's online and free. As for the educational games....can't part with them or use a Linux or online alternative? That's the path we took. > Does it >make a difference if RDesktop runs as a local app? Doubt it....once you execute rdesktop...everything run in a seperate session and thus uses no CPU on the LTSP box. > David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Apr 15 03:22:02 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 23:22:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] PDC-Controller problem In-Reply-To: <200504141932.j3EJWjQr016559@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200504141932.j3EJWjQr016559@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: The path is /opt/IDEALX/sbin "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, April 14, 2005 at 2:32 PM +0000 wrote: >I've followed the instructions on the >http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/smbldap/ web site and everything works >great until I get to the step where I add users/groups/machines. When I >type: smbldap-useradd -m -a username or smbldap-passwd username or >smbldap-groupadd -a -g 525 Students or smbldap-groupadd -a -g 526 Staff or >smbldap-useradd -w machinename I get the following response: bash: >smbldap-useradd: command not found -- smbldap-usradd/passwd/groupadd all >get >the same error message. > >My path is >/usr/kerberos/sbin:/usr/kerberos/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/b >in:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/root/bin > >If I type: ls -al /home or net groupmap list I get a response similar to >what is listed on the web. > >Larry David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Apr 15 03:33:32 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 23:33:32 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] In-Reply-To: <200504141809.j3EI9Pi19161@downeast.net> References: <200504141809.j3EI9Pi19161@downeast.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, April 14, 2005 at 3:16 PM +0000 wrote: >id wager ubuntu will recognize the windows side and rewrite grub for you.. >David: Are you using lexiASOS ON IBOOKS: SEEMS TO WORK FINE AS A LOCAL >INSTALL BUT DAMNED IF I CAN GET IT TOP WORK OFF THE NETWORK RECORDS FOLDER >EVERYONE ELSE IS USing..(cliebow pries the capslock key off his keyuboard >and deep sixes it..chuck Actually I ran 'fixmbr" from Windows CD to overwrite the MBR....then I used Knoppix and QTparted to delete the Fedora partitions and make them free space...then Kubuntu simply installed....I was offered the option to use free space. It also installed GRUB and I'm back in business. Would use Ubuntu, but can't seem to get Amarok to work...and I gotta' have my music! :-) As for Lexia....I did the same....local install on the iBook and simply point the records to a network share (samba share). I use the same share for both Windows and OS X. You need to mount the network volume first (I made an alias on the users desktop...in fact I created a seperate "Lexia" user on the laptops belonging to the students using Lexia. I have a seperate image for them. Works fine for the most part. Although...anytime they can't find the records...if they ask to search for them...that toasts almost everything...might as well reimage as it's faster. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Apr 15 03:35:33 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 23:35:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] PDC-Controller problem In-Reply-To: <200504141927.j3EJROi01146@downeast.net> References: <200504141927.j3EJROi01146@downeast.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, April 14, 2005 at 4:34 PM +0000 wrote: >that sounds good: thats why i prefer smbldap-tools 0.8.7 as it installs to >/sbin >chuck they've changed the path 3 times...we've given up trying to keep up. (Used to be /usr/local/sbin in version 0.84...changed in 0.85 to something else...and in 0.86 to another) The script is written for and includes version 0.86. The path is /opt/IDEALX/sbin cd /opt/IDEALX/sbin ./smbldap-useradd or whatever David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From jon.spriggs at gmail.com Fri Apr 15 06:45:22 2005 From: jon.spriggs at gmail.com (Jon Spriggs) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 07:45:22 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Mobile Wireless Lab? In-Reply-To: <425F0CAD.3010105@gmail.com> References: <425F0CAD.3010105@gmail.com> Message-ID: <96df2e0b0504142345938e82d@mail.gmail.com> It might be worth looking at doing a local install of Thinstation, which supports some wi-fi cards. From there, you can configure the thinstation.conf.user to connect via either X or (I understand) X via SSH (although I'm not 100% sure how that would work...) Your first shot would be to ensure the wifi cards are supported in the 2.4.28 kernel or 2.6.7 kernel (Thinstation 2.1 and 2.2). Hope that helps Jon On 4/15/05, Casey Woods wrote: > I've done a search on Wireless LTSP and the information seems a bit > sketchy and there are a lot of gaps. I hear rumors of a wireless LTSP > package but I'm having a tough time finding details or a HOWTO. > > I have a mobile lab that includes 20 laptops. All are Pentium 2 233s. > Not sure what brand, but I'm going to guess Dell. All classrooms are > wired, so they just plugin an access point, boot up the laptops with > Win98 and off they go. Slowly.... > > We'd like to convert these laptops to thin clients. Is it possible to > net boot with a PCMCIA wireless card? I believe the cards are 802.11G > so the network connection should be fast enough if I can get them to > connect. Could I install LTSP client software on the local hard drive? > What are the chances it will work with my network card? I'll do > whatever it takes! > > If I can get this to work then they may hold a parade in my honor. > You're all invited. > > I'd be interested to hear from you if you've got this working. > > Thanks, > Casey Woods > Calgary Alberta > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From aimssda at cscoms.com Fri Apr 15 07:50:53 2005 From: aimssda at cscoms.com (AIMSSDA) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:50:53 +0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Help: hangs after loading vmlinuz ... Done Message-ID: <425F725D.1020709@cscoms.com> I got this problem before, and hope your case is the same as mine. Check the BIOS configuration of those athlon k7 machines and look Advanced BIOS Features>Gate A20 Option. set it to normal. try it. Edwardson Pedragosa, Thailand Message: 8 Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 10:21:01 -1000 From: "John L Bartelt" Subject: [K12OSN] Help: hangs after loading vmlinuz ... Done To: Message-ID: <200504122035.j3CKZREX018256 at hawaii.hawaiian.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I recently inherited a bunch of Athalon K7 diskless boxes that I want to add to my LTSP cluster. They etherboot without problem but hang after the following output on the client: Loading /lts/vmlinuz.ltsp (NBI) ... Done Nothing on the server messages to indicate a problem. I'm not trying to start X, just using shell. I'm wondering if I need a different kernel or is it nfs not mounting? vmlinuz.ltsp links to vmlinuz-2.4.26-ltsp-2. Any suggestions? From tlegge at rogers.com Fri Apr 15 10:08:27 2005 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 07:08:27 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP, WINE, RDesktop & Sound In-Reply-To: <425D6DF0.5000101@gmail.com> References: <425D6DF0.5000101@gmail.com> Message-ID: <425F929B.4090507@rogers.com> Casey Woods wrote: > We have approximately 120 Windows 2000 computers that are mostly Dell > Optiplexes. They have lots of memory and are running as well as can be [snip] > My concern is providing sound to the LTSP clients. And specifically for > providing sound for a few Windows applications that just won't go away. I can't help with Windows but if you have any issue with the Optiplexes, they may have ISA sound cards. I struggled with sound for a while and gave up. Then recently I realized that the on-board card on some Compaqs (and then our Dells) were ISA. It never crossed my mind that fairly recent machines (PIIs) would have on board ISA. Once I provided the correct driver, io, irq and dma in the lts.conf file everything worked. Tim From hick518 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 15 10:38:22 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 03:38:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Question about my laptop...XP, Fedora, Ubuntu and GRUB In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050415103822.30961.qmail@web41606.mail.yahoo.com> --- David Trask wrote: > > How about this? If I delete grub from the MBR > altogether using fixboot or > xpboot and run fixmbr....then will installing Ubuntu > put in grub like FC3 > did and set it up correctly? I really don't know the answer, but every distro I've ever installed asks you if you want to install a bootloader. I don't think that it should be necessary for you to delete grub from the MBR for it to work properly. In fact, I would prefer to keep grub there so that you can at least boot to Windows if Ubuntu for some reason fails to install a bootloader for you. My "failsafe" way of installing a new distro when I've already got lilo or grub installed is to tell it to create a boot floppy and not to touch the MBR. That way I can boot the distro and manually edit the boot loader so I know that it gets done right (well, hopefully). -Rob __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From hick518 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 15 10:52:14 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 03:52:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Mobile Wireless Lab? In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050415105214.68465.qmail@web41627.mail.yahoo.com> http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/ltsp/wireless_ltsp-3.0.5-i386.tgz?download This is the link to the wireless files you need. If you download and untar it, you'll find instructions on how to use it. Basically you create a boot floppy which includes a kernel and then does all the nice ltsp stuff. I tried it with an old laptop and haven't gotten it to work yet. I'm using a wired pcmcia card and I'm suspecting that it might be incompatible w/ the drivers on the boot floppy. Included in the documentation is a very short list of cards that were tested and confirmed to work, and my Xircom card is not on that list. My laptop only has 16MB of RAM, but I have NFS swap enabled and the laptop never manages to mount the root tree on the server, so I think the low RAM is not the show stopper. If anybody has any suggestions, I'd appreciate it. -Rob --- Casey Woods wrote: > I've done a search on Wireless LTSP and the > information seems a bit > sketchy and there are a lot of gaps. I hear rumors > of a wireless LTSP > package but I'm having a tough time finding details > or a HOWTO. > > I have a mobile lab that includes 20 laptops. All > are Pentium 2 233s. > Not sure what brand, but I'm going to guess Dell. > All classrooms are > wired, so they just plugin an access point, boot up > the laptops with > Win98 and off they go. Slowly.... > > We'd like to convert these laptops to thin clients. > Is it possible to > net boot with a PCMCIA wireless card? I believe the > cards are 802.11G > so the network connection should be fast enough if I > can get them to > connect. Could I install LTSP client software on > the local hard drive? > What are the chances it will work with my network > card? I'll do > whatever it takes! > > If I can get this to work then they may hold a > parade in my honor. > You're all invited. > > I'd be interested to hear from you if you've got > this working. > > Thanks, > Casey Woods > Calgary Alberta > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Fri Apr 15 11:10:40 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 12:10:40 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Password hashing Message-ID: <01c001c541ab$c2548820$65c8a8c0@brianwork> I'm using the idealx scripts to create users on our test LDAP server and it's working really well. I'm now looking at management tools. I've looked at Gosa, really nice but you have to add a few extra objectclasses which I think are a bit of an over kill. I'm now looking at phpldapadmin. In the config file you have to setup the type of hashing used for passwords. My question is, what hashing does smbldap-passwd use ?? Thanks Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Apr 15 13:07:56 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 08:07:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] PDC-Controller problem In-Reply-To: <200504141927.j3EJROi01146@downeast.net> Message-ID: <000601c541bc$23ed52a0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > > I had to add /opt/IDEALX/sbin: to my path so I could just type > > smbldap-useradd You know even though the instructions on the web site say in highlighted text to switch to /opt/IDEALX/sbin then run the commands, this seems often missed (I know I missed it until I went back and said, duh, its right there is highlighted text). Could the script simply be updated to add this to the system path? Sounds simple enough to me. Just a couple more lines of code? -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From david at suwannee.k12.fl.us Fri Apr 15 13:17:46 2005 From: david at suwannee.k12.fl.us (David Dees) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 09:17:46 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] thinknic Message-ID: I just installed the latest release of LTSP. I booted a Think NIC and the screen is slightly fuzzy.....I searched the archives and added the following to the lts.conf file XSERVER = Xvesa now I get a XSERVER error message at boot up. I'm I missing something? David Dees Network Manager Suwannee County Schools 702 2nd Street NW Live Oak, FL 32064 (386) 364-2148 david at suwannee.k12.fl.us From casey.woods at gmail.com Fri Apr 15 13:15:51 2005 From: casey.woods at gmail.com (casey woods) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 07:15:51 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Mobile Wireless Lab? In-Reply-To: <20050415105214.68465.qmail@web41627.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050415105214.68465.qmail@web41627.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I saw the Sourceforge file but I was a bit put off by the date. I'll try it out. I suppose my other option is to install a really minimal fat client, get the wireless support working, and then setup the desktop to run apps remotely. I really would prefer not to though. If only because it means having to install Linux 20 times. Does anybody have a suggestion for a Linux desktop for older machines that has good wireless support? Has anybody tried Thinstation, PXES, or any other thin solutions with wireless laptops? - Casey On 4/15/05, Rob Owens wrote: > http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/ltsp/wireless_ltsp-3.0.5-i386.tgz?download > > This is the link to the wireless files you need. If > you download and untar it, you'll find instructions on > how to use it. Basically you create a boot floppy > which includes a kernel and then does all the nice > ltsp stuff. > > I tried it with an old laptop and haven't gotten it to > work yet. I'm using a wired pcmcia card and I'm > suspecting that it might be incompatible w/ the > drivers on the boot floppy. Included in the > documentation is a very short list of cards that were > tested and confirmed to work, and my Xircom card is > not on that list. > > My laptop only has 16MB of RAM, but I have NFS swap > enabled and the laptop never manages to mount the root > tree on the server, so I think the low RAM is not the > show stopper. If anybody has any suggestions, I'd > appreciate it. > > -Rob > > > --- Casey Woods wrote: > > I've done a search on Wireless LTSP and the > > information seems a bit > > sketchy and there are a lot of gaps. I hear rumors > > of a wireless LTSP > > package but I'm having a tough time finding details > > or a HOWTO. > > > > I have a mobile lab that includes 20 laptops. All > > are Pentium 2 233s. > > Not sure what brand, but I'm going to guess Dell. > > All classrooms are > > wired, so they just plugin an access point, boot up > > the laptops with > > Win98 and off they go. Slowly.... > > > > We'd like to convert these laptops to thin clients. > > Is it possible to > > net boot with a PCMCIA wireless card? I believe the > > cards are 802.11G > > so the network connection should be fast enough if I > > can get them to > > connect. Could I install LTSP client software on > > the local hard drive? > > What are the chances it will work with my network > > card? I'll do > > whatever it takes! > > > > If I can get this to work then they may hold a > > parade in my honor. > > You're all invited. > > > > I'd be interested to hear from you if you've got > > this working. > > > > Thanks, > > Casey Woods > > Calgary Alberta > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Fri Apr 15 13:36:21 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 08:36:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] thinknic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Try "auto" On Apr 15, 2005, at 8:17 AM, David Dees wrote: > I just installed the latest release of LTSP. > I booted a Think NIC and the screen is slightly fuzzy.....I searched > the > archives and added the following to the lts.conf file > > XSERVER = Xvesa -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkJfw1UACgkQfqZR3ThMfXS3uACgiXa5SBRwWYbyw+xUJHp3O4ba vmgAmwcMoLGVhTK1HlsamNUU+3FEJA+9 =wNf1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From julius at turtle.com Fri Apr 15 13:39:09 2005 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 09:39:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] users kicked out on 4.2.1 In-Reply-To: <425EE10D.5040204@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <425EE10D.5040204@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1649.216.216.171.3.1113572349.squirrel@216.216.171.3> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: >> On Thu, 14 Apr 2005, Eric Harrison wrote: >> >> >>>Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Apr 13 10:12:45 solinden gdm[31911]: Ping to ws078.turtle.com:0 failed, >>>>whacking display! >>> >>> >>> >>>>The workstation where user jszoke was forcibly logged out is ws078. >>> >>>There is the guilty party right there. If the server cannot ping a >>>terminal, after a period of time it assumes the terminal is dead and >>>kills off the session. The default for this is 15 seconds. >>> >>>You can change this value in /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf: >>> >>>PingIntervalSeconds=15 >>> >> >> This forces me to ask some questions: 1. why it can not be pinged - when >> I >> ping it it is always fine. 2. why when this happens -nobody- can log in. >> Of course the answer to those question is "network problem", but I had >> no >> changes to the network from before the upgrade. julius >> > > At least it helps narrow down the problem set. > > The first thing that jumps to my mind is an ethernet driver problem. Or > maybe the RJ45 cable got kinked as you were moving the system around. > Etc, etc. > > I'd run dmesg, ifconfig, and scan /var/log/messages looking for anything > related to the ethernet. If it is connected into a managed switch, I'd > check the logs there & stats on the port. Etc, etc. > > > I actually had this happen to me about an hour ago! I have an old junk > Netgear hub shoved under my desk that started spontaneously rebooting. I > fixed mine by plugging the terminal directly into the wall ;-) > > -Eric I upped the ping interval to 30 seconds, to no avail. one station spontaneously lost display twice, but over the course of the week it happened to all the stations. Maybe switches - relatively new HP Procurve, limited management capability. I am now running continous ping to the station that had most problems. I wonder if I'll see any packet loss. My gut feeling (and I do have a considerable gut) is that this is -not- a hardware issue. I'll concentrate on watching one station and I'll get all the data about it from the /var/log/messages at the end of the day. Maybe it will point us to something. The ping now running will tell us if there is a real networking issue, or is gdm imagining something. thanks, julius -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCX8P92LhlZOaj6vURArSEAJkBJ8BPGwEh2LcdsOg1frO4bQQH3wCdG+Yv sJ88ALSMq/HlUP9ngtZxOjw= =Udy2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From david at suwannee.k12.fl.us Fri Apr 15 14:34:37 2005 From: david at suwannee.k12.fl.us (David Dees) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 10:34:37 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] thinknic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I works with auto...however the screen is fuzzy... what I've read is that you need to use the xvesa setting for thinknic using that line the message states that the xvesa module not found David Dees Network Manager Suwannee County Schools 702 2nd Street NW Live Oak, FL 32064 (386) 364-2148 david at suwannee.k12.fl.us From julius at turtle.com Fri Apr 15 15:01:27 2005 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 11:01:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] thinknic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <58870.216.216.171.3.1113577287.squirrel@216.216.171.3> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > I works with auto...however the screen is fuzzy... > what I've read is that you need to use the xvesa setting for thinknic > using that line the message states that the xvesa module not found > David, this is where mine is, and yes it is less fuzzy in text, but you loose xfs. /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/X11R6/bin/Xvesa julius -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCX9dH2LhlZOaj6vURAtSKAJ9mHAPn/U6hg6uiK2aaL7hBH1N/hQCeIEBS NxH7yROWELbipUTCTmasL0I= =LFsQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Apr 15 17:20:18 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 10:20:18 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] users kicked out on 4.2.1 In-Reply-To: <1649.216.216.171.3.1113572349.squirrel@216.216.171.3> References: <425EE10D.5040204@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <1649.216.216.171.3.1113572349.squirrel@216.216.171.3> Message-ID: <425FF7D2.4030907@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > > I upped the ping interval to 30 seconds, to no avail. one station > spontaneously lost display twice, but over the course of the week it > happened to all the stations. Maybe switches - relatively new HP Procurve, > limited management capability. I am now running continous ping to the > station that had most problems. I wonder if I'll see any packet loss. My > gut feeling (and I do have a considerable gut) is that this is -not- a > hardware issue. I'll concentrate on watching one station and I'll get all > the data about it from the /var/log/messages at the end of the day. Maybe > it will point us to something. The ping now running will tell us if there > is a real networking issue, or is gdm imagining something. > thanks, julius > If this turns out to be a GDM-specific bug, you can turn this feature off completely by setting the ping interval to 0. PingIntervalSeconds=0 -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From julius at turtle.com Fri Apr 15 17:27:45 2005 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 13:27:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] users kicked out on 4.2.1 In-Reply-To: <425EE10D.5040204@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <425EE10D.5040204@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <58999.216.216.171.3.1113586065.squirrel@216.216.171.3> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: >> On Thu, 14 Apr 2005, Eric Harrison wrote: >> >> >>>Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Apr 13 10:12:45 solinden gdm[31911]: Ping to ws078.turtle.com:0 failed, >>>>whacking display! >>> >>> >>> >>>>The workstation where user jszoke was forcibly logged out is ws078. >>> >>>There is the guilty party right there. If the server cannot ping a >>>terminal, after a period of time it assumes the terminal is dead and >>>kills off the session. The default for this is 15 seconds. >>> >>>You can change this value in /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf: >>> >>>PingIntervalSeconds=15 >>> >> >> This forces me to ask some questions: 1. why it can not be pinged - when >> I >> ping it it is always fine. 2. why when this happens -nobody- can log in. >> Of course the answer to those question is "network problem", but I had >> no >> changes to the network from before the upgrade. julius >> > > At least it helps narrow down the problem set. > > The first thing that jumps to my mind is an ethernet driver problem. Or > maybe the RJ45 cable got kinked as you were moving the system around. > Etc, etc. > > I'd run dmesg, ifconfig, and scan /var/log/messages looking for anything > related to the ethernet. If it is connected into a managed switch, I'd > check the logs there & stats on the port. Etc, etc. > > > I actually had this happen to me about an hour ago! I have an old junk > Netgear hub shoved under my desk that started spontaneously rebooting. I > fixed mine by plugging the terminal directly into the wall ;-) > > -Eric OK, now I'm reasonably sure it is not network problem, or that the message is misleading. I've been running ping to the station continously, once a second, with no packet loss. The ping interval in gdm.conf is set to 30 seconds. the terminal went blank and eventually returned to login menu. Below is the tail end of ping display and all the lines pertaining to the workstation in question from /var/log/messages. There were no errors or warnings reported in the switch logs. Any suggestions will be much appreciated. julius [julius at solinden ~]$ more error 64 bytes from ws076.turtle.com (192.168.5.76): icmp_seq=13497 ttl=64 time=0.165ms 64 bytes from ws076.turtle.com (192.168.5.76): icmp_seq=13498 ttl=64 time=0.175ms - --- ws076.turtle.com ping statistics --- 13499 packets transmitted, 13499 received, 0% packet loss, time 13502930ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.129/0.261/6.629/0.235 ms, pipe 2 [julius at solinden ~]$ [root at solinden ~]# grep ws076 /var/log/messages|grep "Apr 15" Apr 15 05:59:32 solinden rpc.mountd: authenticated mount request from ws076.turtle.com:657 for /opt/ltsp/i386 (/opt/ltsp/i386) Apr 15 05:59:34 ws076 syslogd started: BusyBox v0.60.4 (2004.11.12-23:02+0000) Apr 15 05:59:39 ws076 init: Entering runlevel: 5 Apr 15 06:00:14 ws076 ltspinfod: Connection from 192.168.5.254 port 41299 Apr 15 06:26:06 solinden gdm[22288]: Ping to ws076.turtle.com:0 failed, whacking display! Apr 15 06:34:41 ws076 ltspinfod: Connection from 192.168.5.254 port 41407 Apr 15 06:40:27 solinden rpc.mountd: authenticated mount request from ws076.turtle.com:657 for /opt/ltsp/i386 (/opt/ltsp/i386) Apr 15 06:40:30 ws076 syslogd started: BusyBox v0.60.4 (2004.11.12-23:02+0000) Apr 15 06:40:34 ws076 init: Entering runlevel: 5 Apr 15 06:41:29 ws076 ltspinfod: Connection from 192.168.5.254 port 32789 Apr 15 06:53:31 solinden rpc.mountd: authenticated mount request from ws076.turtle.com:657 for /opt/ltsp/i386 (/opt/ltsp/i386) Apr 15 06:53:33 ws076 syslogd started: BusyBox v0.60.4 (2004.11.12-23:02+0000) Apr 15 06:53:37 ws076 init: Entering runlevel: 5 Apr 15 06:53:41 solinden gdm[4581]: gdm_slave_xioerror_handler: Fatal X error - Restarting ws076.turtle.com:0 Apr 15 07:03:59 ws076 ltspinfod: Connection from 192.168.5.254 port 32909 Apr 15 07:53:33 ws076 -- MARK -- Apr 15 08:53:33 ws076 -- MARK -- Apr 15 09:53:33 ws076 -- MARK -- Apr 15 10:53:33 ws076 -- MARK -- Apr 15 11:44:21 solinden gdm[4777]: Ping to ws076.turtle.com:0 failed, whacking display! Apr 15 11:53:33 ws076 -- MARK -- Apr 15 12:53:34 ws076 -- MARK -- [julius at solinden ~]$ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCX/mR2LhlZOaj6vURAvQmAJ9dOIWL0Sb4MJaZItefDSETteAfsgCcCtgf V5G4Jms5PXCUcR0NM4a2Q0I= =wyML -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From julius at turtle.com Fri Apr 15 17:30:46 2005 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 13:30:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] users kicked out on 4.2.1 In-Reply-To: <425FF7D2.4030907@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <425EE10D.5040204@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <1649.216.216.171.3.1113572349.squirrel@216.216.171.3> <425FF7D2.4030907@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <59008.216.216.171.3.1113586246.squirrel@216.216.171.3> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: >> >> I upped the ping interval to 30 seconds, to no avail. one station >> spontaneously lost display twice, but over the course of the week it >> happened to all the stations. Maybe switches - relatively new HP >> Procurve, >> limited management capability. I am now running continous ping to the >> station that had most problems. I wonder if I'll see any packet loss. My >> gut feeling (and I do have a considerable gut) is that this is -not- a >> hardware issue. I'll concentrate on watching one station and I'll get >> all >> the data about it from the /var/log/messages at the end of the day. >> Maybe >> it will point us to something. The ping now running will tell us if >> there >> is a real networking issue, or is gdm imagining something. >> thanks, julius >> > > > > If this turns out to be a GDM-specific bug, you can turn this feature > off completely by setting the ping interval to 0. > > PingIntervalSeconds=0 > > Eric, thank you, very good point. Why didn't I think of it :-) I'll do that. As you can see from the message that crossed ways with yours, it doesn't seem to be a network issue. julius -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCX/pG2LhlZOaj6vURAu8FAJ4+QK4VJ4mOJ/eUnDBFFy43qyksyQCeL1T+ MdwH8g0uUtAUh+5ajYgP7mg= =mthy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From les at futuresource.com Fri Apr 15 17:38:13 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 12:38:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mobile Wireless Lab? In-Reply-To: References: <20050415105214.68465.qmail@web41627.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1113586692.28095.7.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2005-04-15 at 08:15, casey woods wrote: > Does anybody have a suggestion for a Linux desktop for older machines > that has good wireless support? > > Has anybody tried Thinstation, PXES, or any other thin solutions with > wireless laptops? I've been too lazy to do this myself, but I think it should be a really trivial modification to a knoppix iso to make it start as a thin client. You can do it manually by booting with 'knoppix 2' at the boot prompt, then 'X -query server' when you get the shell prompt. That way you get about the best hardware detection and support you'll find. The rest of the CD is overkill but the price is right. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jam at mcquil.com Fri Apr 15 17:49:22 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 13:49:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] users kicked out on 4.2.1 In-Reply-To: <59008.216.216.171.3.1113586246.squirrel@216.216.171.3> References: <425EE10D.5040204@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <1649.216.216.171.3.1113572349.squirrel@216.216.171.3> <425FF7D2.4030907@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <59008.216.216.171.3.1113586246.squirrel@216.216.171.3> Message-ID: On Fri, 15 Apr 2005, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > >> > >> I upped the ping interval to 30 seconds, to no avail. one station > >> spontaneously lost display twice, but over the course of the week it > >> happened to all the stations. Maybe switches - relatively new HP > >> Procurve, > >> limited management capability. I am now running continous ping to the > >> station that had most problems. I wonder if I'll see any packet loss. My > >> gut feeling (and I do have a considerable gut) is that this is -not- a > >> hardware issue. I'll concentrate on watching one station and I'll get > >> all > >> the data about it from the /var/log/messages at the end of the day. > >> Maybe > >> it will point us to something. The ping now running will tell us if > >> there > >> is a real networking issue, or is gdm imagining something. > >> thanks, julius > >> > > > > > > > > If this turns out to be a GDM-specific bug, you can turn this feature > > off completely by setting the ping interval to 0. > > > > PingIntervalSeconds=0 > > > > > Eric, thank you, very good point. Why didn't I think of it :-) > I'll do that. As you can see from the message that crossed ways with > yours, it doesn't seem to be a network issue. julius But, the pinginterval is there for a reason. To detect displays that have dissappeared or are hung up for some reason. That's how GDM knows that it should kill any child processes if a user turns off their terminal. Also, the 'ping' that you are running is an icmp echo request. The 'ping' that gdm is running is an X request. It's sounding to me like your Xserver has hung, but your kernel is still responding to icmp pings. The next trick will be figuring out why your Xserver would hang. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFCX/pG2LhlZOaj6vURAu8FAJ4+QK4VJ4mOJ/eUnDBFFy43qyksyQCeL1T+ > MdwH8g0uUtAUh+5ajYgP7mg= > =mthy > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From julius at turtle.com Fri Apr 15 17:59:36 2005 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 13:59:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] users kicked out on 4.2.1 In-Reply-To: References: <425EE10D.5040204@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <1649.216.216.171.3.1113572349.squirrel@216.216.171.3> <425FF7D2.4030907@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <59008.216.216.171.3.1113586246.squirrel@216.216.171.3> Message-ID: <59039.216.216.171.3.1113587976.squirrel@216.216.171.3> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > > > On Fri, 15 Apr 2005, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> > Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: >> >> >> >> I upped the ping interval to 30 seconds, to no avail. one station >> >> spontaneously lost display twice, but over the course of the week it >> >> happened to all the stations. Maybe switches - relatively new HP >> >> Procurve, >> >> limited management capability. I am now running continous ping to the >> >> station that had most problems. I wonder if I'll see any packet loss. >> My >> >> gut feeling (and I do have a considerable gut) is that this is -not- >> a >> >> hardware issue. I'll concentrate on watching one station and I'll get >> >> all >> >> the data about it from the /var/log/messages at the end of the day. >> >> Maybe >> >> it will point us to something. The ping now running will tell us if >> >> there >> >> is a real networking issue, or is gdm imagining something. >> >> thanks, julius >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > If this turns out to be a GDM-specific bug, you can turn this feature >> > off completely by setting the ping interval to 0. >> > >> > PingIntervalSeconds=0 >> > >> > >> Eric, thank you, very good point. Why didn't I think of it :-) >> I'll do that. As you can see from the message that crossed ways with >> yours, it doesn't seem to be a network issue. julius > > But, the pinginterval is there for a reason. To detect displays that > have dissappeared or are hung up for some reason. > > That's how GDM knows that it should kill any child processes if a user > turns off their terminal. > > Also, the 'ping' that you are running is an icmp echo request. > > The 'ping' that gdm is running is an X request. > > It's sounding to me like your Xserver has hung, but your kernel is still > responding to icmp pings. > > The next trick will be figuring out why your Xserver would hang. > > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > Jim, you are right, of course, on the other hand it happend quite a few times that people were actively using the terminals, say typing into gnome terminal with characters reflected from the host showing onn the screen, but the xserver would go poof!. I'm not sure that xserver hangs, but it certainly doesn't respond to the X client satisfaction. I'll try to turn off the X ping and see if the big problem goes away. If it does, we'll have to find what is the problem with xserver. julius -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCYAEI2LhlZOaj6vURAoB2AJ9fiZoGwn67Rc3aPK2ouWWHYrrJ6gCfcktU D0y1AUKPKBzO8Qlhz42ys+U= =uEMd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From david at suwannee.k12.fl.us Fri Apr 15 18:15:50 2005 From: david at suwannee.k12.fl.us (David Dees) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:15:50 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] thinknic In-Reply-To: <58870.216.216.171.3.1113577287.squirrel@216.216.171.3> References: <58870.216.216.171.3.1113577287.squirrel@216.216.171.3> Message-ID: I guess I'm missing something... we had to go out and get the xvesa and install it... it is at the /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/X11R6/bin/Xvesa location I still get the server error.... I'm using a Dell 15" flat panel...if that makes any difference also is XSERVER=Xvesa the only change I need to make in the lts.conf file? David Dees Network Manager Suwannee County Schools 702 2nd Street NW Live Oak, FL 32064 (386) 364-2148 david at suwannee.k12.fl.us From bklinux at verizon.net Fri Apr 15 18:14:32 2005 From: bklinux at verizon.net (Byron Kapali) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 08:14:32 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Implementing K12LTSP on 100+ clients Message-ID: <42600488.9060700@verizon.net> Our campus is mostly PCs running off a Windows PDC while our router handles the DHCP. Here is my question...I would like to setup 100+ thinclients across campus in different buildings and classrooms. The only way I know how to setup K12LTSP is to have all the thinclients on a switch with the server as the bridge to the internet/router. The reason for doing this is so other computers would not try to access the K12LTSP server as the DHCP server. (I know, preaching to the choir) I DON'T want to setup a K12LTSP server for every building or in some cases every floor. (Do I have to just give in and do it?) How can I setup K12LTSP so it can go from classroom to classroom, building to building, and not get confused with the router as the DHCP server. Is there a way to modify the boot disk or chip boot script to go to the K12LTSP server only. Also, would I need to modify my Windows computers as well so that it ignores K12LTSP as a DHCP server? Any suggestion? Thanks, Byron From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Apr 15 18:21:57 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 11:21:57 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Mobile Wireless Lab? In-Reply-To: <1113586692.28095.7.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <20050415105214.68465.qmail@web41627.mail.yahoo.com> <1113586692.28095.7.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <42600645.8020601@paasda.org> knoppix didn't like a laptop I tried it on... P2-500 only 32 megs of ram might have had 64... it wanted 128 i think...and loaded SLOW AS MOLASSES! --Huck Les Mikesell wrote: > On Fri, 2005-04-15 at 08:15, casey woods wrote: > > >>Does anybody have a suggestion for a Linux desktop for older machines >>that has good wireless support? >> >>Has anybody tried Thinstation, PXES, or any other thin solutions with >>wireless laptops? > > > I've been too lazy to do this myself, but I think it should be a > really trivial modification to a knoppix iso to make it start > as a thin client. You can do it manually by booting with > 'knoppix 2' at the boot prompt, then 'X -query server' when you > get the shell prompt. That way you get about the best hardware > detection and support you'll find. The rest of the CD is overkill > but the price is right. > From bkovach at lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us Fri Apr 15 19:17:33 2005 From: bkovach at lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us (Brandon Kovach) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:17:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Implementing K12LTSP on 100+ clients In-Reply-To: <42600488.9060700@verizon.net> References: <42600488.9060700@verizon.net> Message-ID: <4260134D.6030908@lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us> If I were me, I'd setup a vlan that spanned your campus and use the build right out of the can. Put on cable to the nic on the machine to the new vlan and the other to your normal ports. Then setup the vlan on whatever switches you have out in your other buildings to allow the clients to see that DHCP server on the Linux box. Nobody outside that vlan can see the DHCP server on the linux box. No prob. Byron Kapali wrote: > Our campus is mostly PCs running off a Windows PDC while our router > handles the DHCP. Here is my question...I would like to setup 100+ > thinclients across campus in different buildings and classrooms. The > only way I know how to setup K12LTSP is to have all the thinclients on > a switch with the server as the bridge to the internet/router. The > reason for doing this is so other computers would not try to access > the K12LTSP server as the DHCP server. (I know, preaching to the > choir) I DON'T want to setup a K12LTSP server for every building or > in some cases every floor. (Do I have to just give in and do it?) > > How can I setup K12LTSP so it can go from classroom to classroom, > building to building, and not get confused with the router as the DHCP > server. Is there a way to modify the boot disk or chip boot script to > go to the K12LTSP server only. Also, would I need to modify my > Windows computers as well so that it ignores K12LTSP as a DHCP > server? Any suggestion? > > Thanks, > Byron > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Fri Apr 15 19:25:12 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:25:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mobile Wireless Lab? In-Reply-To: <42600645.8020601@paasda.org> References: <20050415105214.68465.qmail@web41627.mail.yahoo.com> <1113586692.28095.7.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <42600645.8020601@paasda.org> Message-ID: <1113593112.28095.11.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2005-04-15 at 13:21, Huck wrote: > knoppix didn't like a laptop I tried it on... > P2-500 only 32 megs of ram might have had 64... > it wanted 128 i think...and loaded SLOW AS MOLASSES! Did you boot to runlevel 2 or let the local desktop start up? If you start X with the '-query server' option it will be essentially the same as any other thin client. You would want at least 128M to run the desktop locally. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From robark at gmail.com Fri Apr 15 19:35:52 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 12:35:52 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Implementing K12LTSP on 100+ clients In-Reply-To: <42600488.9060700@verizon.net> References: <42600488.9060700@verizon.net> Message-ID: On 4/15/05, Byron Kapali wrote: > server. Is there a way to modify the boot disk or chip boot script to > go to the K12LTSP server only. Also, would I need to modify my Windows > computers as well so that it ignores K12LTSP as a DHCP server? Any > suggestion? You could try to use a different port for the k12ltsp DHCP Server and have the thin clients listen to that specific non-standard port for IP's. I know you can set it when you make your etherboot floppy from rom-o-matic. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Fri Apr 15 19:45:19 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:45:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Implementing K12LTSP on 100+ clients In-Reply-To: References: <42600488.9060700@verizon.net> Message-ID: <2f1794ee72ec2398e3cde0224d2be943@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Isn't it possible to have the windows DHCP server point to the linux tftp server for network booting clients without affecting the windows clients? On Apr 15, 2005, at 2:35 PM, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 4/15/05, Byron Kapali wrote: >> server. Is there a way to modify the boot disk or chip boot script to >> go to the K12LTSP server only. Also, would I need to modify my >> Windows >> computers as well so that it ignores K12LTSP as a DHCP server? Any >> suggestion? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkJgGc8ACgkQfqZR3ThMfXQXxwCfWZhGVYC6Yj1pVuYbJ7s2Bb0U afIAoIn0n/g7aBBoOAcCeDe5JDH+K2hE =3WyQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Fri Apr 15 19:51:15 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 12:51:15 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Yum Update and DHCPD Problems Message-ID: I had some problems last week after doing a yum update on a K12 4.2 machine at a school with 60 client machines. All the client specific settings (mouse, display, etc.) were over-written and I had to replace the /etc/dhcpd.conf file with a backup. Today on another server I'm preparing for a small public school lab, with K12 4.2 loaded, I did a yum update and then noticed that there were problems acquiring IP addresses by other machines on the regular network here. Eth1 on the server is, of course, hooked into that network, so I checked and the /etc/sysconfig/dhcpd file seemes to have been blanked--so I think that the local router and the LTSP server (on eth1) were competing to give out IP addresses and conflicting with each other. When I added DHCPDARGS="eth0" and saved the file, all was good again. Now, maybe I created the problem somehow, but with my problems last week I wondered if anyone else is having some funny issues after yum update...? Steve -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct From julius at turtle.com Fri Apr 15 20:31:26 2005 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 16:31:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] thinknic In-Reply-To: References: <58870.216.216.171.3.1113577287.squirrel@216.216.171.3> Message-ID: <59096.216.216.171.3.1113597086.squirrel@216.216.171.3> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > I guess I'm missing something... > we had to go out and get the xvesa and install it... > it is at the /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/X11R6/bin/Xvesa location > > I still get the server error.... > I'm using a Dell 15" flat panel...if that makes any difference > > also is XSERVER=Xvesa the only change I need to make in the lts.conf > file? David, my lts.conf says: XSERVER = vesa -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCYCSe2LhlZOaj6vURAgJwAJ9YJC+sMcG7/QiYOO+TuUcW88PySwCfQBz2 qC94n9AuW2/0Gie/9xUzGVw= =4auu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Apr 15 20:44:14 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 13:44:14 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Yum Update and DHCPD Problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4260279E.3050800@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Steve Hargadon wrote: > I had some problems last week after doing a yum update on a K12 4.2 > machine at a school with 60 client machines. All the client specific > settings (mouse, display, etc.) were over-written and I had to replace > the /etc/dhcpd.conf file with a backup. > > Today on another server I'm preparing for a small public school lab, > with K12 4.2 loaded, I did a yum update and then noticed that there > were problems acquiring IP addresses by other machines on the regular > network here. Eth1 on the server is, of course, hooked into that > network, so I checked and the /etc/sysconfig/dhcpd file seemes to have > been blanked--so I think that the local router and the LTSP server (on > eth1) were competing to give out IP addresses and conflicting with > each other. When I added DHCPDARGS="eth0" and saved the file, all was > good again. > > Now, maybe I created the problem somehow, but with my problems last > week I wondered if anyone else is having some funny issues after yum > update...? > > Steve > I recently fixed the problem with dhcpd.conf. I'm not sure about the lts.conf, the src.rpm for that is on my home server... Worse-case the old file is saved as dhcpd.conf.rpmsave or lts.conf.rpmsave -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Apr 15 22:07:19 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 15:07:19 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Mobile Wireless Lab? In-Reply-To: <1113593112.28095.11.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <20050415105214.68465.qmail@web41627.mail.yahoo.com> <1113586692.28095.7.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <42600645.8020601@paasda.org> <1113593112.28095.11.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <42603B17.4020203@paasda.org> Yeah, I just let it start it's own desktop deal... so if I go runlevel2 it will drop me to command prompt then I can do the x -query server deal and be happy eh? --Huck Les Mikesell wrote: > On Fri, 2005-04-15 at 13:21, Huck wrote: > >>knoppix didn't like a laptop I tried it on... >>P2-500 only 32 megs of ram might have had 64... >>it wanted 128 i think...and loaded SLOW AS MOLASSES! > > > Did you boot to runlevel 2 or let the local desktop start up? > If you start X with the '-query server' option it will be > essentially the same as any other thin client. You would want > at least 128M to run the desktop locally. > From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Fri Apr 15 23:59:46 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 16:59:46 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Source Curriculum Site? Message-ID: Has anyone created a website for collaboration on Open Source curricula for schoolteachers? Maybe something with moodle or drupal? Seems like a ready resource for classroom instructional materials would be a good pull to bring devoted teachers to Open Source. And likely a necessary step for helping expand k12ltsp into schools without an Open Source technical guru. If it exists, I'd like to be able to point people to it. If it doesn't exist, is it something others feel is worth creating? -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct From les at futuresource.com Sat Apr 16 01:17:53 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 20:17:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mobile Wireless Lab? In-Reply-To: <42603B17.4020203@paasda.org> References: <20050415105214.68465.qmail@web41627.mail.yahoo.com> <1113586692.28095.7.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <42600645.8020601@paasda.org> <1113593112.28095.11.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <42603B17.4020203@paasda.org> Message-ID: <1113614273.24249.2.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2005-04-15 at 17:07, Huck wrote: > Yeah, I just let it start it's own desktop deal... > so if I go runlevel2 it will drop me to command prompt then I can do the > x -query server deal and be happy eh? Yes, that ends up about the same as a thin client booting from the network except that you have access to a lot more drivers before you need network access. I don't think I've tried it with anything less than 96M RAM but if you ignore the warning about memory when booting it should be OK. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us Sat Apr 16 03:48:01 2005 From: chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us (Chris Hobbs) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 20:48:01 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] thinknic In-Reply-To: References: <58870.216.216.171.3.1113577287.squirrel@216.216.171.3> Message-ID: <42608AF1.6040507@silvervalley.k12.ca.us> David Dees wrote: >I guess I'm missing something... >we had to go out and get the xvesa and install it... >it is at the /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/X11R6/bin/Xvesa location > >I still get the server error.... >I'm using a Dell 15" flat panel...if that makes any difference > > Just a thought, are you running at the native resolution of the panel? If you're not then fuzziness would be expected regardless of the Xserver. -- Chris Hobbs Silver Valley Unified School District Head geek: Technology Services Coordinator webmaster: http://www.silvervalley.k12.ca.us/~chobbs/ postmaster: chobbs at silvervalley.k12.ca.us pgp: http://www.silvervalley.k12.ca.us/~chobbs/key.asc From luis.montes at cox.net Sat Apr 16 05:24:46 2005 From: luis.montes at cox.net (Luis Montes) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 22:24:46 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Source Curriculum Site? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4260A19E.6000102@cox.net> Steve Hargadon wrote: >Has anyone created a website for collaboration on Open Source >curricula for schoolteachers? Maybe something with moodle or drupal? > >Seems like a ready resource for classroom instructional materials >would be a good pull to bring devoted teachers to Open Source. And >likely a necessary step for helping expand k12ltsp into schools >without an Open Source technical guru. > >If it exists, I'd like to be able to point people to it. If it >doesn't exist, is it something others feel is worth creating? > > > I'm not an educator, just a software engineer. I'm not aware of a good open source curricula effort, but I've had an idea I've been kicking around: An open source replacement for Accelerated Reader. Not just the software, but the data as well. First off, testing software is brain-dead simple and renlearn.com has done a horrible job at it so far. They have shown zero interest in making their software cross-platform. What they have done right is provided a large amount of tests. I would need the help of teachers in providing testing data based on a wide array of reading materials for grades k-12. I'd be more than happy to develop the software (web based) for the testing as well as building a site for teachers to submit tests and forums for discussion, rating, and auditing the tests. We would need to be very careful so as not to copy anything from accelerated reader, so I would need help in auditing that part as well. If we could establish a good standard as to the format of the tests, I think at the very least we would have a nice free database of educational content. Any thoughts? Luis From ericbrown at mi-spot.com Sat Apr 16 05:30:15 2005 From: ericbrown at mi-spot.com (Eric Brown) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 00:30:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Source Curriculum Site? In-Reply-To: <4260A19E.6000102@cox.net> Message-ID: <200504160520.j3G5KMD15411@www.mi-spot.com> I am a teacher, but not a teacher involved in AR. I am in involved in FOSS. I have had the idea of a program like AR, where questions are submitted by teachers, and shared in a database. I think, if teachers could realize more money in their budgets because AR was not required, I'm sure they could come up with 5 or 10 questions. I would be happy to help Luis administate such a project. I think, if we planned properly, we could bury ar, and more importantly, help kids with their reading comprehension. Eric -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Luis Montes Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 12:25 AM To: Steve Hargadon; Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Open Source Curriculum Site? Steve Hargadon wrote: >Has anyone created a website for collaboration on Open Source curricula >for schoolteachers? Maybe something with moodle or drupal? > >Seems like a ready resource for classroom instructional materials would >be a good pull to bring devoted teachers to Open Source. And likely a >necessary step for helping expand k12ltsp into schools without an Open >Source technical guru. > >If it exists, I'd like to be able to point people to it. If it doesn't >exist, is it something others feel is worth creating? > > > I'm not an educator, just a software engineer. I'm not aware of a good open source curricula effort, but I've had an idea I've been kicking around: An open source replacement for Accelerated Reader. Not just the software, but the data as well. First off, testing software is brain-dead simple and renlearn.com has done a horrible job at it so far. They have shown zero interest in making their software cross-platform. What they have done right is provided a large amount of tests. I would need the help of teachers in providing testing data based on a wide array of reading materials for grades k-12. I'd be more than happy to develop the software (web based) for the testing as well as building a site for teachers to submit tests and forums for discussion, rating, and auditing the tests. We would need to be very careful so as not to copy anything from accelerated reader, so I would need help in auditing that part as well. If we could establish a good standard as to the format of the tests, I think at the very least we would have a nice free database of educational content. Any thoughts? Luis _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From tom.hoffman at gmail.com Sat Apr 16 06:00:13 2005 From: tom.hoffman at gmail.com (Tom Hoffman) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 02:00:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Source Curriculum Site? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <92de6c8805041523003693de60@mail.gmail.com> On 4/15/05, Steve Hargadon wrote: > Has anyone created a website for collaboration on Open Source > curricula for schoolteachers? Maybe something with moodle or drupal? > > Seems like a ready resource for classroom instructional materials > would be a good pull to bring devoted teachers to Open Source. And > likely a necessary step for helping expand k12ltsp into schools > without an Open Source technical guru. > > If it exists, I'd like to be able to point people to it. If it > doesn't exist, is it something others feel is worth creating? The Arkansas Learning Mangement System might be relevant to what you're looking for http://alms.k12.ar.us/website/ . It's built with open source parts, and while the site itself is vague on the subject of licensing, and they don't seem to have a public repository, they'll apparently send you a copy of the code. Perhaps if enough outside people express interest they'll clarify the licensing, etc. I'm not suspicious of their motives in this regard, I just think they've been focusing more on reaching out to teachers than other developers. --Tom From steve.honeycutt at gmail.com Sat Apr 16 06:45:23 2005 From: steve.honeycutt at gmail.com (Steve Honeycutt) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 01:45:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Source Curriculum Site? In-Reply-To: <92de6c8805041523003693de60@mail.gmail.com> References: <92de6c8805041523003693de60@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <61bfa74305041523456692f924@mail.gmail.com> This is something I would really like to help with. Whether it be in conjunction with ALMS or something started from scratch all together. While I am not a software developer... or a Linux guru by any stretch of the imagination, I'll do what I can to help in any area needed. As feeble as it may be, I'll start the offer of being willing to provide a domain, web space and transfer for development, help with site development, documentation etc... -- Best Regards, Steve www.slicehaven.com From david at suwannee.k12.fl.us Sat Apr 16 12:43:52 2005 From: david at suwannee.k12.fl.us (David Dees) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 08:43:52 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] thinknic In-Reply-To: <42608AF1.6040507@silvervalley.k12.ca.us> References: <58870.216.216.171.3.1113577287.squirrel@216.216.171.3> < > <42608AF1.6040507@silvervalley.k12.ca.us> Message-ID: What resolution is recommend? thanks David Dees Network Manager Suwannee County Schools 702 2nd Street NW Live Oak, FL 32064 (386) 364-2148 david at suwannee.k12.fl.us From david at suwannee.k12.fl.us Sat Apr 16 12:44:23 2005 From: david at suwannee.k12.fl.us (David Dees) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 08:44:23 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] sound In-Reply-To: <200504160520.j3G5KMD15411@www.mi-spot.com> References: <200504160520.j3G5KMD15411@www.mi-spot.com> Message-ID: .We use a product called Destination Reading...it is a web based educational app that we host in-house. The program goes through the login screens...choosing your lesson, etc...however when it gets to the actual lesson (which includes a lot of audio) it states that a sound card is required.... The sound is working on the client...I've tried games...cds etc... it seems that the app is looking at the server which has no sound card... any ideas other than adding a sound card to the server David Dees Network Manager Suwannee County Schools 702 2nd Street NW Live Oak, FL 32064 (386) 364-2148 david at suwannee.k12.fl.us From julius at turtle.com Sat Apr 16 12:46:01 2005 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 08:46:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] thinknic In-Reply-To: References: <58870.216.216.171.3.1113577287.squirrel@216.216.171.3> < > <42608AF1.6040507@silvervalley.k12.ca.us> Message-ID: <1818.24.149.139.193.1113655561.squirrel@24.149.139.193> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > What resolution is recommend? 1024x768 and 800x60 work fine on thinknics -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCYQkJ2LhlZOaj6vURAhC6AKCQ7VsLcRWb7AbD42odofVXg5eAZACeMkTJ BAZtp/+nYEpczSv/Gc3aUT4= =LS8U -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Linux_Man at comcast.net Sat Apr 16 13:27:03 2005 From: Linux_Man at comcast.net (Brian Beck) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 09:27:03 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] sound In-Reply-To: References: <200504160520.j3G5KMD15411@www.mi-spot.com> Message-ID: <426112A7.1080400@comcast.net> David Dees wrote: >.We use a product called Destination Reading...it is a web based >educational app that we host in-house. >The program goes through the login screens...choosing your lesson, >etc...however when it gets to the actual lesson (which includes a lot of >audio) >it states that a sound card is required.... >The sound is working on the client...I've tried games...cds etc... it >seems that the app is looking at the server which has no sound card... >any ideas other than adding a sound card to the server > >David Dees >Network Manager >Suwannee County Schools >702 2nd Street NW >Live Oak, FL 32064 >(386) 364-2148 >david at suwannee.k12.fl.us > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > Try adding a cheap Sound Card to the server; it could cause certain modules to be loaded that make life simpler. Also, I'm assuming that you're running this through WINE; make sure that the WINE config is setup to use the Soundserver that you use on the terminals (ALSA, OSS, ARTS, ESD, whatever). From david at suwannee.k12.fl.us Sat Apr 16 14:13:43 2005 From: david at suwannee.k12.fl.us (David Dees) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 10:13:43 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] sound In-Reply-To: <426112A7.1080400@comcast.net> References: <200504160520.j3G5KMD15411@www.mi-spot.com> < > <426112A7.1080400@comcast.net> Message-ID: The software is actually hosted on a windows server...so we don't need wine to run it since it is all web based.. I'll try adding a sound card to the server thanks David Dees Network Manager Suwannee County Schools 702 2nd Street NW Live Oak, FL 32064 (386) 364-2148 david at suwannee.k12.fl.us From jon.spriggs at gmail.com Sat Apr 16 15:40:13 2005 From: jon.spriggs at gmail.com (Jon Spriggs) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 16:40:13 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Mobile Wireless Lab? In-Reply-To: References: <20050415105214.68465.qmail@web41627.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <96df2e0b05041608401d2ec0b4@mail.gmail.com> I asked on the thinstation-general list, and got the following answer... Hope it helps :) Jon TechFan wrote: I have gotten wireless PCMCIA network cards working as of last week. I hadn't tried much before because unless I could encrypt it with WPA, it wasn't an option in my environment. I finally was officially asked to get wireless working for a specific user and since I really wanted to keep with a totally thinstation environment in that department, I decided it was time to at least try to get it working. I had to find a 802.11g card (more often support WPA) that could have a linux driver and I ended up picking Atheros based network cards (they use the open source madwifi support (can work in rc2, but should be working in rc3), but I still haven't look at the details of the settings it has available (though I need to include it for the tools) since I wanted to use driver). Pieter had previously created a wireless package and fixed PCMCIAunsupported WPA encryption which I only remember possibly one other person mentioning they had used before with thinstation. I had to recompile the kernel and compile the madwifi driver against the TS source and and wpa_supplicant against the madwifi source, but I did get it working just last week. Since it requires the kernel to be recompiled (only 3 checkmarks need to be changed - Crypto API and two of the sub-options which I made Modules), it probably won't make it into the general release and thus a package wouldn't be that helpful (and I don't know how to create one anyway - with dependencies, etc). On 4/15/05, casey woods wrote: > I saw the Sourceforge file but I was a bit put off by the date. I'll > try it out. > > I suppose my other option is to install a really minimal fat client, > get the wireless support working, and then setup the desktop to run > apps remotely. I really would prefer not to though. If only because > it means having to install Linux 20 times. > > Does anybody have a suggestion for a Linux desktop for older machines > that has good wireless support? > > Has anybody tried Thinstation, PXES, or any other thin solutions with > wireless laptops? > > - Casey > > On 4/15/05, Rob Owens wrote: > > http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/ltsp/wireless_ltsp-3.0.5-i386.tgz?download > > > > This is the link to the wireless files you need. If > > you download and untar it, you'll find instructions on > > how to use it. Basically you create a boot floppy > > which includes a kernel and then does all the nice > > ltsp stuff. > > > > I tried it with an old laptop and haven't gotten it to > > work yet. I'm using a wired pcmcia card and I'm > > suspecting that it might be incompatible w/ the > > drivers on the boot floppy. Included in the > > documentation is a very short list of cards that were > > tested and confirmed to work, and my Xircom card is > > not on that list. > > > > My laptop only has 16MB of RAM, but I have NFS swap > > enabled and the laptop never manages to mount the root > > tree on the server, so I think the low RAM is not the > > show stopper. If anybody has any suggestions, I'd > > appreciate it. > > > > -Rob > > > > > > --- Casey Woods wrote: > > > I've done a search on Wireless LTSP and the > > > information seems a bit > > > sketchy and there are a lot of gaps. I hear rumors > > > of a wireless LTSP > > > package but I'm having a tough time finding details > > > or a HOWTO. > > > > > > I have a mobile lab that includes 20 laptops. All > > > are Pentium 2 233s. > > > Not sure what brand, but I'm going to guess Dell. > > > All classrooms are > > > wired, so they just plugin an access point, boot up > > > the laptops with > > > Win98 and off they go. Slowly.... > > > > > > We'd like to convert these laptops to thin clients. > > > Is it possible to > > > net boot with a PCMCIA wireless card? I believe the > > > cards are 802.11G > > > so the network connection should be fast enough if I > > > can get them to > > > connect. Could I install LTSP client software on > > > the local hard drive? > > > What are the chances it will work with my network > > > card? I'll do > > > whatever it takes! > > > > > > If I can get this to work then they may hold a > > > parade in my honor. > > > You're all invited. > > > > > > I'd be interested to hear from you if you've got > > > this working. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Casey Woods > > > Calgary Alberta > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Jon "Four Star Gun" Spriggs AKA Jon "The Nice Guy" Spriggs From jon.spriggs at gmail.com Sat Apr 16 16:02:21 2005 From: jon.spriggs at gmail.com (Jon Spriggs) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 17:02:21 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Implementing K12LTSP on 100+ clients In-Reply-To: <42600488.9060700@verizon.net> References: <42600488.9060700@verizon.net> Message-ID: <96df2e0b0504160902560fb114@mail.gmail.com> How about using something like Thinstation on the thin-pc's (if they are dedicated to K12LTSP)? Then it won't matter what the DHCP or TFTP server is, as the workstation will have all the configuration on it already. Hope that helps :) Jon On 4/15/05, Byron Kapali wrote: > Our campus is mostly PCs running off a Windows PDC while our router > handles the DHCP. Here is my question...I would like to setup 100+ > thinclients across campus in different buildings and classrooms. The > only way I know how to setup K12LTSP is to have all the thinclients on a > switch with the server as the bridge to the internet/router. The reason > for doing this is so other computers would not try to access the K12LTSP > server as the DHCP server. (I know, preaching to the choir) I DON'T > want to setup a K12LTSP server for every building or in some cases every > floor. (Do I have to just give in and do it?) > > How can I setup K12LTSP so it can go from classroom to classroom, > building to building, and not get confused with the router as the DHCP > server. Is there a way to modify the boot disk or chip boot script to > go to the K12LTSP server only. Also, would I need to modify my Windows > computers as well so that it ignores K12LTSP as a DHCP server? Any > suggestion? > > Thanks, > Byron > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Jon "Four Star Gun" Spriggs AKA Jon "The Nice Guy" Spriggs From brcisna at frontiernet.net Sat Apr 16 19:16:48 2005 From: brcisna at frontiernet.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 14:16:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] usb/pen/thunbdrives& floppy access>this works! Message-ID: <001d01c542b8$d7048320$01fea8c0@brcHOST> Hello List,, Thought this cut & paste may be of some use to some souls trying to get both floppy & usb drives/pendrives to work. This setup does ,actually work. I have it working on four servers ,running K12LTSP v 4.2.0. You just need to add& adjust a few of the existing conf files ,on your k12ltsp servers for the clients to get access to both floppy & usb /pen drives.I could always get either floppy OR usb drives to work but not both ,till I found this setup! This MAY keep staff happy and make K12LTSP a better "selling point"..with this scenario. Have a good one. Barry--- 3.5.1. Accessing local drives with Linux sessions We said earlier that using a Linux session on a workstation means receiving display from the LTSP server and all what you see runs on the LTSP server. Thus, accessing drives on the workstation returns to a remote access from the LTSP server to the local drives on the workstation 3.5.1.1. Using floppyd Floppyd is used as a server to grant access to the floppy drive to clients running on a remote machine, just as an X server grants access to the display to remote clients. floppyd is always associated with an X server. It runs on the same machine as its X server, and listens on port 5703 and above. mtools is a collection of tools to allow Unix systems to manipulate MS-DOS files: read, write, and move around files on an MS-DOS filesystem (typically a floppy disk) without mounting/unmounting it. MtoolsFM is a little file manager that uses mtools and has a nice GUI. Note When you connect using a Linux session, you will see an icon on the desktop named "Floppy access" which launches MtoolsFM. a.. To use floppyd on the workstation to grant access to the floppy drive a.. Add the following line in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf at the end of the workstation's section [workstation_name] ... # start floppyd to access the floppy drive (listen on port 5703) RCFILE_01 = floppyd b.. Reboot the workstation b.. To access the floppy drive from a Linux session a.. Make sure that /etc/mtools.conf contains only the following lines # Assign drive "a:" to floppy drive a: file="$DISPLAY" mtools_skip_check=1 remote b.. Create a file named /etc/mtoolsfm.conf and put the following lines in it # MToolsFM config file. comments start with a hash sign. # # This variable sets the allowed driveletters (all lowercase). Example: # DRIVES="ab" DRIVES="a" # # This variable sets the driveletter upon startup in the left window. # An empty string or space is for the hardisk. Example: # LEFTDRIVE="a" LEFTDRIVE="" # # This variable sets the driveletter upon startup in the right window. # An empty string or space is for the hardisk. Example: # RIGHTDRIVE="a" RIGHTDRIVE="" c.. Use the mtools commands or the MtoolsFM GUI Many USB keys are preformatted with a MS-DOS filesytem. This means that it is possible to access the USB keys with floppyd. The procedure is outlined below (for more details, see USB Storage in the K12LTSP wiki) a.. To use floppyd on the workstation to grant access to the USB key a.. Create a directory called dev-files containing the device file sda1. This is because USB keys are generally assigned /dev/sda1 under a Linux system # mkdir /opt/ltsp/i386/dev-files # MAKEDEV -d /opt/ltsp/i386/dev-files -x sda1 b.. Create the file /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.d/usbkey containing the following and make it executable #!/bin/bash # # First, since floppyd runs as nobody, make /tmp world accessible. # chmod 777 /tmp # #copy the previously created device node # mkdir /tmp/dev cp -a /dev-files/sda1 /tmp/dev/sda1 # # and make it world accessible # chmod 666 /tmp/dev/sda1 # # Finally, start floppyd. # # In order to have access to both floppy and USB keys, we tell floppyd # to listen on port 5704. floppyd -l -s 5704 -d /tmp/dev/sda1 # chmod 755 /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.d/usbkey c.. Add the following line in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf at the end of the workstation's section [workstation_name] ... # Load USB Mass Storage driver MODULE_01 = usb-storage #MODULE_02 = ehci-hcd # start floppyd to access the USB key (listen on port 5704) RCFILE_02 = usbkey d.. Reboot the workstation b.. To access the floppy drive from a Linux session a.. Modify /etc/mtools.conf so that is looks like this # Assign drive "a:" to floppy drive a: file="$DISPLAY" mtools_skip_check=1 remote # Assign drive "u:" to USB key drive u: file="$DISPLAY/5704" mtools_skip_check=1 remote b.. Modify /etc/mtoolsfm.conf so that is looks like this # MToolsFM config file. comments start with a hash sign. # # This variable sets the allowed driveletters (all lowercase). Example: # DRIVES="ab" DRIVES="au" # # This variable sets the driveletter upon startup in the left window. # An empty string or space is for the hardisk. Example: # LEFTDRIVE="a" LEFTDRIVE="" # # This variable sets the driveletter upon startup in the right window. # An empty string or space is for the hardisk. Example: # RIGHTDRIVE="a" RIGHTDRIVE="" c.. Use the mtools commands or the MtoolsFM GUI Tip If you don't see any of the drives in MtoolsFM, then quit MtoolsFM, delete ${HOME}/.mtoolsfm and start MtoolsFM. You can also use "Configure MtoolsFM..." in the "Options" menu of MtoolsFM. Warning 1.. You can plug/unplug a same USB key as many time as you want but if you plug another USB key it will not be accessed because the system assigned to it another device (likely /dev/sdb1). From brcisna at frontiernet.net Sat Apr 16 19:33:18 2005 From: brcisna at frontiernet.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 14:33:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Anyone have a recipe for S3 Unichrome display Message-ID: <002301c542bb$25783680$01fea8c0@brcHOST> Hi list, Does anyone have a good recipe for the S3 Unichrome display driver that is used on a lot of the el cheapo VIA mobo's? The XVESA driver does work, automagically, but is a tad "chalky" looking. Just wondering,, Thanks Heaps,, Barry. From casey.woods at gmail.com Sat Apr 16 21:55:36 2005 From: casey.woods at gmail.com (Casey Woods) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 15:55:36 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Mobile Wireless Lab? In-Reply-To: <96df2e0b05041608401d2ec0b4@mail.gmail.com> References: <20050415105214.68465.qmail@web41627.mail.yahoo.com> <96df2e0b05041608401d2ec0b4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <426189D8.3020503@gmail.com> Hi Jon , Thanks for the help. I got one of my D-Link DWL-650+ wireless pcmcia cards running under Ubuntu today. The device manager says that it is using the acx_pci driver. Which is exactly what I feared since it isn't one of the modules available under Thinstation and I'm guessing LTSP as well. Building Thinstation is easy enough. I'm trying to wrap my head around how to get the ACX100 module into the build so that I can give it a go. Anybody have any thoughts on how to get this driver (http://acx100.sourceforge.net) working under either LTSP or Thinstation? Or a way to net boot one of these guys? Thanks, Casey Woods Jon Spriggs wrote: >I asked on the thinstation-general list, and got the following answer... > >Hope it helps :) > >Jon > >TechFan wrote: > >I have gotten wireless PCMCIA network cards working as of last week. I >hadn't tried much before because unless I could encrypt it with WPA, it >wasn't an option in my environment. I finally was officially asked to >get wireless working for a specific user and since I really wanted to >keep with a totally thinstation environment in that department, I >decided it was time to at least try to get it working. I had to find a >802.11g card (more often support WPA) that could have a linux driver and >I ended up picking Atheros based network cards (they use the open source >madwifi support (can work in rc2, but should be working in rc3), but I >still haven't look at the details of the settings it has available >(though I need to include it for the tools) since I wanted to use >driver). Pieter had previously created a wireless package and fixed >PCMCIAunsupported WPA encryption which I only remember possibly one >other person mentioning they had used before with thinstation. I had to >recompile the kernel and compile the madwifi driver against the TS >source and and wpa_supplicant against the madwifi source, but I did get >it working just last week. Since it requires the kernel to be >recompiled (only 3 checkmarks need to be changed - Crypto API and two of >the sub-options which I made Modules), it probably won't make it into >the general release and thus a package wouldn't be that helpful (and I >don't know how to create one anyway - with dependencies, etc). > >On 4/15/05, casey woods wrote: > > >>I saw the Sourceforge file but I was a bit put off by the date. I'll >>try it out. >> >>I suppose my other option is to install a really minimal fat client, >>get the wireless support working, and then setup the desktop to run >>apps remotely. I really would prefer not to though. If only because >>it means having to install Linux 20 times. >> >>Does anybody have a suggestion for a Linux desktop for older machines >>that has good wireless support? >> >>Has anybody tried Thinstation, PXES, or any other thin solutions with >>wireless laptops? >> >>- Casey >> >>On 4/15/05, Rob Owens wrote: >> >> >>>http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/ltsp/wireless_ltsp-3.0.5-i386.tgz?download >>> >>>This is the link to the wireless files you need. If >>>you download and untar it, you'll find instructions on >>>how to use it. Basically you create a boot floppy >>>which includes a kernel and then does all the nice >>>ltsp stuff. >>> >>>I tried it with an old laptop and haven't gotten it to >>>work yet. I'm using a wired pcmcia card and I'm >>>suspecting that it might be incompatible w/ the >>>drivers on the boot floppy. Included in the >>>documentation is a very short list of cards that were >>>tested and confirmed to work, and my Xircom card is >>>not on that list. >>> >>>My laptop only has 16MB of RAM, but I have NFS swap >>>enabled and the laptop never manages to mount the root >>>tree on the server, so I think the low RAM is not the >>>show stopper. If anybody has any suggestions, I'd >>>appreciate it. >>> >>>-Rob >>> >>> >>>--- Casey Woods wrote: >>> >>> >>>>I've done a search on Wireless LTSP and the >>>>information seems a bit >>>>sketchy and there are a lot of gaps. I hear rumors >>>>of a wireless LTSP >>>>package but I'm having a tough time finding details >>>>or a HOWTO. >>>> >>>>I have a mobile lab that includes 20 laptops. All >>>>are Pentium 2 233s. >>>>Not sure what brand, but I'm going to guess Dell. >>>>All classrooms are >>>>wired, so they just plugin an access point, boot up >>>>the laptops with >>>>Win98 and off they go. Slowly.... >>>> >>>>We'd like to convert these laptops to thin clients. >>>>Is it possible to >>>>net boot with a PCMCIA wireless card? I believe the >>>>cards are 802.11G >>>>so the network connection should be fast enough if I >>>>can get them to >>>>connect. Could I install LTSP client software on >>>>the local hard drive? >>>>What are the chances it will work with my network >>>>card? I'll do >>>>whatever it takes! >>>> >>>>If I can get this to work then they may hold a >>>>parade in my honor. >>>>You're all invited. >>>> >>>>I'd be interested to hear from you if you've got >>>>this working. >>>> >>>>Thanks, >>>>Casey Woods >>>>Calgary Alberta >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>K12OSN mailing list >>>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>For more info see >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>__________________________________ >>>Do you Yahoo!? >>>Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! >>>http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > > > > From robark at gmail.com Sun Apr 17 00:34:15 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 17:34:15 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Anyone have a recipe for S3 Unichrome display In-Reply-To: <002301c542bb$25783680$01fea8c0@brcHOST> References: <002301c542bb$25783680$01fea8c0@brcHOST> Message-ID: On 4/16/05, Barry R Cisna wrote: > Does anyone have a good recipe for the S3 Unichrome display driver Don't know if anything will work right now. But VIA just released their drivers for this hardware Open Source a few days ago. Here is the press release, http://www.via.com.tw/en/resources/pressroom/2005_archive/pr050412_driversource.jsp Basically, open source drivers of the UniChrome family display driver which supports the VIA CLE266 and the new VIA CN400 Digital Media chipsets featured on the popular VIA EPIA M series and VIA EPIA SP series mainboards. In addition to the VIA ProSavage and ProSavage DDR. I think it may take a while before Xorg ships it though. I hope Nvidia and ATI get the message that they are in the business of selling hardware not software. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From gentgeen at linuxmail.org Sun Apr 17 04:43:26 2005 From: gentgeen at linuxmail.org (Kevin Squire) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 00:43:26 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Mobile Wireless Lab? In-Reply-To: <1113614273.24249.2.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <20050415105214.68465.qmail@web41627.mail.yahoo.com> <1113586692.28095.7.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <42600645.8020601@paasda.org> <1113593112.28095.11.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <42603B17.4020203@paasda.org> <1113614273.24249.2.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <20050417004326.12faa6a5@linuxbox> I have a set up here in my house that would be similar/perfect to what you are mentioning. Been meaning to write it up, but have not had time. So, I guess "here goes nothing". Laptop is a Thinkpad 380D (133MZ, orig. 32MB ram). I installed just enough Debian to get it running X, and ESD (for sound). No X/K/G-DM, nothing fancy. I was NOT planning on using this laptop outside of my network, I just wanted a "dummy terminal" to use around the house, but the LTSP wireless floppy would not work with the card I already own. I created one user (USERNAME=val) besides the root user. (If I was doing this in a "hostile" environment, I would find ways to limit what user "val" can/can not do. Basically the only thing she needs is a bash terminal, and the ability to run X). For sound to work, I did have to use sudo and give val permission to run ESD, maybe there was a better way, but that is what I did :-) I then followed the directions found here: http://www.linuxgazette.com/issue72/chung.html to create an auto-login into console mode. When val gets automatically logged in, the ~/.bash_profile script gets read. Her file looks like this: # ~/.bash_profile ## Start X upon console login, logout when X is exited ## if [ "`tty`" = "/dev/tty1" ] ; then exec /home/val/bin/desktop fi I probably could have put all of the desktop script into the ~/.bash_profile, but I separated it for troubleshooting reasons. And the /home/val/bin/desktop script looks like this: #!/bin/sh # # echo "Starting X Server to linuxbox ..." # To kill remnants of ESD from reboots, drops, etc. and start again. # Not sure why, but paused seemed necessary for success. echo's are # just there to let me know it is working :-) echo "5"; sleep 1 sudo /usr/bin/pkill esd & echo "4" ; sleep 1 sudo /usr/bin/esd & echo "3" ; sleep 1 ; echo "2" ; sleep 1 ; echo "1" ; sleep 1 ; echo "GO.." # Used to execute XDM on linuxbox # echo "starting X" exec X :0 -query 192.168.0.3 So that take care of the a lot of the LTSP mimicing. But it does leave out the LTSP benefit of only having to keep one machine up-to-date. Now you still have to worry about keeping 21 machines (20 laptops, plus the server) up-to-date. This is where the Debian stuff comes in hand. On the laptop, I have a cron job run once a day, to let me know if there are any packages that need updated. I have all mail from that machine (which would include the cron info) to my server machine. The script looks like this (I got it off the web, but don't know the address to give the proper credit) : #!/bin/bash # # Script from web to produce an email whenever system needs updated # lined added to /etc/crontab to run this at 4:00 AM daily # # Update the package cache but don't spit anything out to stdout or # stderr; that way, if there's nothing to update we won't get a # pointless mail from cron ... apt-get update 2>&1 > /dev/null # Do a "trial" run of updating our packages (note the -s switch). # apt-get will report something along the lines of ... # # n packages upgraded, n newly installed, n to remove and n not upgraded # # Strip out the number of packages to upgrade via a bit of grepery and # awkery ... report=`apt-get -s upgrade | grep '^[0-9]\{1,\} upgraded'` if [[ -z "$report" ]]; then exit 0 # Move on - there's nothing to do here fi to_upgrade=`echo $report | awk -F, '{print $0}' | awk '{print $1}' ` if [[ $to_upgrade -gt 0 ]]; then # We've got potential packages to upgrade, spit out our original # message from apt-get upgrade to force a mail to be sent for this # cron job ... echo "$report" fi exit 0 Then on my server, I have a script called "update_all" that I run whenever I get a notice from the laptop (and/or from "kingpin" another Debian box in my house). With a little help from ssh keys, I do not need to enter a password for the other boxs, just my server box. The script is just: #!/bin/bash clear # Starting with Linuxbox - my desktop/X server echo "Updating Linuxbox first," echo "Need root at linuxbox's password ..." su -c /root/bin/update-linuxbox echo " " # Updating Kingpin - my print/file/anything else server ssh -p 22 -l root 192.168.0.10 /root/bin/update-local # Next to Thinkpad - the old laptop ssh -p 22 -l root 192.168.0.8 /root/bin/update-local # System's now complete echo "House update complete." echo " " Where the /root/bin/update-local is just a script with: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade Since you are going to do this on (what I assume to be) 20 identical machines, I'm sure you can do the install on just one, then ghost the image to the others. The cron script would only have to be run on one of the laptops, since they are all going to be identical. Then you won't get 20 "update me" emails at a time. Then as for the update-all script, you could write that as a loop with some addtitional "fancies" added in. I only have 3 machines to deal with, so my scripts are all pretty basic/linear. As an extra note, this has worked really well with my 802.11b network, and the laptop only having 32MB ram. The "server" is my desktop machine with a 1GHz processor, and 512MB ram. The laptop typically is running IceWM or Blackbox as the WM, but GNOME works at an acceptable pace. The laptop is now used by my wife A LOT and I see that she will use it with Firefox, Thunderbird, GAIM, and Rox-Filer all running at the same time. With the occational AbiWord, GQview, gxine, or xmms thrown in. Thanks to "Uncle Sam" I did max. out the Laptop at 80MB ram, and this really helped out a lot. BOY THAT GOT REALLY LONG -- SORRY Maybe I can get all that put into the wiki, or now take this as my outline and write up a nice "howto" for the web. If anyone has any questions about it, feel free to contact me off list. Kevin gentgeen at linuxmail.org On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 20:17:53 -0500 Les Mikesell wrote: > On Fri, 2005-04-15 at 17:07, Huck wrote: > > Yeah, I just let it start it's own desktop deal... > > so if I go runlevel2 it will drop me to command prompt then I can do > > the x -query server deal and be happy eh? > > Yes, that ends up about the same as a thin client booting from > the network except that you have access to a lot more drivers > before you need network access. I don't think I've tried it > with anything less than 96M RAM but if you ignore the warning > about memory when booting it should be OK. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Apr 17 05:03:58 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 22:03:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] updated 4.2.x squidGuard package Message-ID: The squidGuard package included in K12LTSP 4.2.0 does not automatically update its blacklists every night as it should. A new package has been built and uploaded into the K12LTSP apt/up2date/yum repository. Alternatively, you can manually fix this issue by running the following command: chmod a-x /etc/cron.d/squidGuard -Eric From jon.spriggs at gmail.com Sun Apr 17 07:52:08 2005 From: jon.spriggs at gmail.com (Jon Spriggs) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 08:52:08 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Mobile Wireless Lab? In-Reply-To: <20050417004326.12faa6a5@linuxbox> References: <20050415105214.68465.qmail@web41627.mail.yahoo.com> <1113586692.28095.7.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <42600645.8020601@paasda.org> <1113593112.28095.11.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <42603B17.4020203@paasda.org> <1113614273.24249.2.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <20050417004326.12faa6a5@linuxbox> Message-ID: <96df2e0b050417005271c05b1@mail.gmail.com> Wow! That's really good! Thanks for the guide! Perhaps it might be worth publishing it somewhere - maybe even submitting it to TLDP - especially if you can specify which version of Debian you used, which packages etc...? If you need any help putting something like it together, I'd be glad to help out :) Regards, Jon On 4/17/05, Kevin Squire wrote: > I have a set up here in my house that would be similar/perfect to what > you are mentioning. Been meaning to write it up, but have not had time. > So, I guess "here goes nothing". > > Laptop is a Thinkpad 380D (133MZ, orig. 32MB ram). I installed just > enough Debian to get it running X, and ESD (for sound). No X/K/G-DM, > nothing fancy. I was NOT planning on using this laptop outside of my > network, I just wanted a "dummy terminal" to use around the house, but > the LTSP wireless floppy would not work with the card I already own. I > created one user (USERNAME=val) besides the root user. (If I was doing > this in a "hostile" environment, I would find ways to limit what user > "val" can/can not do. Basically the only thing she needs is a bash > terminal, and the ability to run X). For sound to work, I did have to > use sudo and give val permission to run ESD, maybe there was a better > way, but that is what I did :-) > > I then followed the directions found here: > http://www.linuxgazette.com/issue72/chung.html > > to create an auto-login into console mode. When val gets automatically > logged in, the ~/.bash_profile script gets read. Her file looks like > this: > > # ~/.bash_profile > ## Start X upon console login, logout when X is exited > ## > if [ "`tty`" = "/dev/tty1" ] ; then > exec /home/val/bin/desktop > fi > > I probably could have put all of the desktop script into the > ~/.bash_profile, but I separated it for troubleshooting reasons. > > And the /home/val/bin/desktop script looks like this: > > #!/bin/sh > # > # > echo "Starting X Server to linuxbox ..." > > # To kill remnants of ESD from reboots, drops, etc. and start again. > # Not sure why, but paused seemed necessary for success. echo's are > # just there to let me know it is working :-) > echo "5"; sleep 1 > sudo /usr/bin/pkill esd & > echo "4" ; sleep 1 > sudo /usr/bin/esd & > echo "3" ; sleep 1 ; echo "2" ; sleep 1 ; echo "1" ; sleep 1 ; echo > "GO.." > > # Used to execute XDM on linuxbox > # > echo "starting X" > exec X :0 -query 192.168.0.3 > > So that take care of the a lot of the LTSP mimicing. But it does leave > out the LTSP benefit of only having to keep one machine up-to-date. Now > you still have to worry about keeping 21 machines (20 laptops, plus the > server) up-to-date. This is where the Debian stuff comes in hand. > > On the laptop, I have a cron job run once a day, to let me know if there > are any packages that need updated. I have all mail from that machine > (which would include the cron info) to my server machine. The script > looks like this (I got it off the web, but don't know the address to > give the proper credit) : > > #!/bin/bash > # > # Script from web to produce an email whenever system needs updated > # lined added to /etc/crontab to run this at 4:00 AM daily > # > # Update the package cache but don't spit anything out to stdout or # > stderr; that way, if there's nothing to update we won't get a # > pointless mail from cron ... > > apt-get update 2>&1 > /dev/null > > # Do a "trial" run of updating our packages (note the -s switch). # > apt-get will report something along the lines of ... > # > # n packages upgraded, n newly installed, n to remove and n not upgraded > # > # Strip out the number of packages to upgrade via a bit of grepery and > # awkery ... > > report=`apt-get -s upgrade | grep '^[0-9]\{1,\} upgraded'` > if [[ -z "$report" ]]; then > exit 0 # Move on - there's nothing to do here > fi > > to_upgrade=`echo $report | awk -F, '{print $0}' | awk '{print $1}' ` > if [[ $to_upgrade -gt 0 ]]; then > # We've got potential packages to upgrade, spit out our original > # message from apt-get upgrade to force a mail to be sent for this > # cron job ... > echo "$report" > fi > > exit 0 > > Then on my server, I have a script called "update_all" that I run > whenever I get a notice from the laptop (and/or from "kingpin" another > Debian box in my house). With a little help from ssh keys, I do not > need to enter a password for the other boxs, just my server box. The > script is just: > > #!/bin/bash > clear > # Starting with Linuxbox - my desktop/X server > echo "Updating Linuxbox first," > echo "Need root at linuxbox's password ..." > su -c /root/bin/update-linuxbox > echo " " > > # Updating Kingpin - my print/file/anything else server > ssh -p 22 -l root 192.168.0.10 /root/bin/update-local > > # Next to Thinkpad - the old laptop > ssh -p 22 -l root 192.168.0.8 /root/bin/update-local > > # System's now complete > echo "House update complete." > echo " " > > Where the /root/bin/update-local is just a script with: > apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade > > Since you are going to do this on (what I assume to be) 20 identical > machines, I'm sure you can do the install on just one, then ghost the > image to the others. The cron script would only have to be run on one > of the laptops, since they are all going to be identical. Then you > won't get 20 "update me" emails at a time. Then as for the update-all > script, you could write that as a loop with some addtitional "fancies" > added in. I only have 3 machines to deal with, so my scripts are all > pretty basic/linear. > > As an extra note, this has worked really well with my 802.11b network, > and the laptop only having 32MB ram. The "server" is my desktop machine > with a 1GHz processor, and 512MB ram. The laptop typically is running > IceWM or Blackbox as the WM, but GNOME works at an acceptable pace. The > laptop is now used by my wife A LOT and I see that she will use it with > Firefox, Thunderbird, GAIM, and Rox-Filer all running at the same time. > With the occational AbiWord, GQview, gxine, or xmms thrown in. Thanks > to "Uncle Sam" I did max. out the Laptop at 80MB ram, and this really > helped out a lot. > > BOY THAT GOT REALLY LONG -- SORRY > > Maybe I can get all that put into the wiki, or now take this as my > outline and write up a nice "howto" for the web. If anyone has any > questions about it, feel free to contact me off list. > > Kevin > gentgeen at linuxmail.org > > On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 20:17:53 -0500 > Les Mikesell wrote: > > > On Fri, 2005-04-15 at 17:07, Huck wrote: > > > Yeah, I just let it start it's own desktop deal... > > > so if I go runlevel2 it will drop me to command prompt then I can do > > > the x -query server deal and be happy eh? > > > > Yes, that ends up about the same as a thin client booting from > > the network except that you have access to a lot more drivers > > before you need network access. I don't think I've tried it > > with anything less than 96M RAM but if you ignore the warning > > about memory when booting it should be OK. > > > > -- > > Les Mikesell > > les at futuresource.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Jon "Four Star Gun" Spriggs AKA Jon "The Nice Guy" Spriggs From casey.woods at gmail.com Sun Apr 17 15:32:22 2005 From: casey.woods at gmail.com (Casey Woods) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 09:32:22 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] The LTSP Wireless Package Message-ID: <42628186.6040405@gmail.com> I downloaded the Wireless LTSP package from Sourceforge last night. It looks to be exactly what I need. Although, I'm betting that it won't support my ACX100 cards. What is involved with building an updated version to support more recent cards? I'm keen to give it a shot and then share the wealth if somebody can point me in the right direction! If I can get this to work it is going to save my school a LOT of money. Thanks, Casey Woods From hick518 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 17 17:11:08 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 10:11:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] what X_MODE for TV-out? Message-ID: <20050417171109.14139.qmail@web41609.mail.yahoo.com> Can anybody tell me what I should put in lts.conf as an X_MODE line so that I can get the TV-out port on my video card to work? During bootup, I can see all the text on the TV, but when X is supposed to show up, the TV goes blank. I am interested in having TV-out only. I do not need to use a regular computer monitor with it. Thanks -Rob __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides! http://travel.yahoo.com/p-travelguide From kanferm at wsdvt.org Sun Apr 17 17:55:18 2005 From: kanferm at wsdvt.org (Mike Kanfer) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 13:55:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] YUM Error Message-ID: I am trying to update a new install of Fedora 3. When I rnu YUM -y update, I receive an error that says.. Cannot find a valid baseurl for repo: base. This is a new install. I have used these CD's on another machine and update works fine. Thanks for your help. From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Apr 17 18:15:52 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 11:15:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] YUM Error In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, 17 Apr 2005, Mike Kanfer wrote: > I am trying to update a new install of Fedora 3. When I rnu YUM -y > update, I receive an error that says.. > > Cannot find a valid baseurl for repo: base. > > This is a new install. I have used these CD's on another machine and > update works fine. > > Thanks for your help. The config file this is /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora.repo How this works is that yum retrieves the file specified in the mirrorlist parameter (http://fedora.redhat.com/download/mirrors/fedora-core-3 for FC3) and picks out one of the URLs to use as the baseurl. If you can't fetch http://fedora.redhat.com/download/mirrors/fedora-core-3 it will get the "Cannot find a valid baseurl" error. This likely to be a symptom of a problem, rather than the problem itself. Try using wget to fetch the mirrorlist file: wget http://fedora.redhat.com/download/mirrors/fedora-core-3 That may give you more useful error messages. Double check that your DNS is correct: host www.google.com host fedora.redhat.com -Eric From ddaniels at magic.fr Sun Apr 17 22:24:01 2005 From: ddaniels at magic.fr (ddaniels at magic.fr) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 15:24:01 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] usb/pen/thunbdrives& floppy access>this works! In-Reply-To: <001d01c542b8$d7048320$01fea8c0@brcHOST> References: <001d01c542b8$d7048320$01fea8c0@brcHOST> Message-ID: <4262E201.1070205@magic.fr> Wikified: http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/StorageFloppyUsb Barry R Cisna wrote: >Hello List,, > Thought this cut & paste may be of some use to some souls trying to get >both floppy & usb drives/pendrives to work. This setup does ,actually work. >I have it working on four servers ,running K12LTSP v 4.2.0. You just need to >add& adjust a few of the existing conf files ,on your k12ltsp servers for >the clients to get access to both floppy & usb /pen drives.I could always >get either floppy OR usb drives to work but not both ,till I found this >setup! > This MAY keep staff happy and make K12LTSP a better "selling >point"..with this scenario. >Have a good one. > > Barry--- > > 3.5.1. Accessing local drives with Linux sessions >We said earlier that using a Linux session on a workstation means receiving >display from the LTSP server and all what you see runs on the LTSP server. >Thus, accessing drives on the workstation returns to a remote access from >the LTSP server to the local drives on the workstation > >3.5.1.1. Using floppyd >Floppyd is used as a server to grant access to the floppy drive to clients >running on a remote machine, just as an X server grants access to the >display to remote clients. floppyd is always associated with an X server. It >runs on the same machine as its X server, and listens on port 5703 and >above. > >mtools is a collection of tools to allow Unix systems to manipulate MS-DOS >files: read, write, and move around files on an MS-DOS filesystem (typically >a floppy disk) without mounting/unmounting it. MtoolsFM is a little file >manager that uses mtools and has a nice GUI. > > Note > When you connect using a Linux session, you will see an icon on the >desktop named "Floppy access" which launches MtoolsFM. > > > a.. To use floppyd on the workstation to grant access to the floppy drive > > a.. Add the following line in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf at the end of >the workstation's section > >[workstation_name] > ... > > # start floppyd to access the floppy drive (listen on port 5703) > RCFILE_01 = floppyd >b.. Reboot the workstation > > b.. To access the floppy drive from a Linux session > > a.. Make sure that /etc/mtools.conf contains only the following lines > ># Assign drive "a:" to floppy >drive a: file="$DISPLAY" mtools_skip_check=1 remote >b.. Create a file named /etc/mtoolsfm.conf and put the following lines in it > ># MToolsFM config file. comments start with a hash sign. ># ># This variable sets the allowed driveletters (all lowercase). Example: ># DRIVES="ab" >DRIVES="a" ># ># This variable sets the driveletter upon startup in the left window. ># An empty string or space is for the hardisk. Example: ># LEFTDRIVE="a" >LEFTDRIVE="" ># ># This variable sets the driveletter upon startup in the right window. ># An empty string or space is for the hardisk. Example: ># RIGHTDRIVE="a" >RIGHTDRIVE="" >c.. Use the mtools commands or the MtoolsFM GUI > >Many USB keys are preformatted with a MS-DOS filesytem. This means that it >is possible to access the USB keys with floppyd. The procedure is outlined >below (for more details, see USB Storage in the K12LTSP wiki) > > a.. To use floppyd on the workstation to grant access to the USB key > > a.. Create a directory called dev-files containing the device file sda1. >This is because USB keys are generally assigned /dev/sda1 under a Linux >system > ># mkdir /opt/ltsp/i386/dev-files ># MAKEDEV -d /opt/ltsp/i386/dev-files -x sda1 >b.. Create the file /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.d/usbkey containing the following >and make it executable > >#!/bin/bash ># ># First, since floppyd runs as nobody, make /tmp world accessible. ># >chmod 777 /tmp ># >#copy the previously created device node ># >mkdir /tmp/dev >cp -a /dev-files/sda1 /tmp/dev/sda1 ># ># and make it world accessible ># >chmod 666 /tmp/dev/sda1 ># ># Finally, start floppyd. ># ># In order to have access to both floppy and USB keys, we tell floppyd ># to listen on port 5704. >floppyd -l -s 5704 -d /tmp/dev/sda1 ># chmod 755 /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.d/usbkey >c.. Add the following line in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf at the end of the >workstation's section > >[workstation_name] > ... > > # Load USB Mass Storage driver > MODULE_01 = usb-storage > #MODULE_02 = ehci-hcd > > # start floppyd to access the USB key (listen on port 5704) > RCFILE_02 = usbkey >d.. Reboot the workstation > > b.. To access the floppy drive from a Linux session > > a.. Modify /etc/mtools.conf so that is looks like this > ># Assign drive "a:" to floppy >drive a: file="$DISPLAY" mtools_skip_check=1 remote > ># Assign drive "u:" to USB key >drive u: file="$DISPLAY/5704" mtools_skip_check=1 remote >b.. Modify /etc/mtoolsfm.conf so that is looks like this > ># MToolsFM config file. comments start with a hash sign. ># ># This variable sets the allowed driveletters (all lowercase). Example: ># DRIVES="ab" >DRIVES="au" ># ># This variable sets the driveletter upon startup in the left window. ># An empty string or space is for the hardisk. Example: ># LEFTDRIVE="a" >LEFTDRIVE="" ># ># This variable sets the driveletter upon startup in the right window. ># An empty string or space is for the hardisk. Example: ># RIGHTDRIVE="a" >RIGHTDRIVE="" >c.. Use the mtools commands or the MtoolsFM GUI > > Tip > If you don't see any of the drives in MtoolsFM, then quit MtoolsFM, >delete ${HOME}/.mtoolsfm and start MtoolsFM. You can also use "Configure >MtoolsFM..." in the "Options" menu of MtoolsFM. > > > Warning > 1.. You can plug/unplug a same USB key as many time as you want >but if you plug another USB key it will not be accessed because the system >assigned to it another device (likely /dev/sdb1). > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > -- lost and found: www.dennisgdaniels.com http://del.icio.us/ddaniels http://dgd.stumbleupon.com/ dennisgdaniels at gmail.com 951 347 9711 skype: dennisdaniels EOF -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ddaniels.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 311 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ddaniels at magic.fr Sun Apr 17 22:28:35 2005 From: ddaniels at magic.fr (ddaniels at magic.fr) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 15:28:35 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Source Curriculum Site? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4262E313.5080803@magic.fr> Wikipedia has an open content text book section. I've been using moodle for awhile now and, though it's not perfect, it's the best of all that I've tested. There is some content available for sharing via the moodle site but not a lot. The hang up there is that there isn't any 'publish content' feature in moodle. If publishing content was made easier for users, then more people would do it. I think the best way to get more curriculum into the wild is to focus on large installed bases... like moodle. Make it easier for users to publish and they will. best Dennis Steve Hargadon wrote: >Has anyone created a website for collaboration on Open Source >curricula for schoolteachers? Maybe something with moodle or drupal? > >Seems like a ready resource for classroom instructional materials >would be a good pull to bring devoted teachers to Open Source. And >likely a necessary step for helping expand k12ltsp into schools >without an Open Source technical guru. > >If it exists, I'd like to be able to point people to it. If it >doesn't exist, is it something others feel is worth creating? > > > -- lost and found: www.dennisgdaniels.com http://del.icio.us/ddaniels http://dgd.stumbleupon.com/ dennisgdaniels at gmail.com 951 347 9711 skype: dennisdaniels EOF -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ddaniels.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 311 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us Mon Apr 18 00:40:11 2005 From: mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us (mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 20:40:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Regressions after yum update In-Reply-To: <1649.24.2.210.202.1113149689.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> References: <3653.192.168.0.21.1112983354.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> <1609.24.2.210.202.1113067068.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> <1649.24.2.210.202.1113149689.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> Message-ID: <1150.24.2.210.202.1113784811.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> The Radeon 7000 problem with the xorg-x11 updates appears resolved in http://people.redhat.com/krh/fdo1912.1 A couple of people besides myself also reported no smp crashes with the fix. Mark Orenstein East Granby, CT School System From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Apr 18 01:02:51 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 18:02:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Regressions after yum update In-Reply-To: <1150.24.2.210.202.1113784811.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> References: <3653.192.168.0.21.1112983354.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> <1609.24.2.210.202.1113067068.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> <1649.24.2.210.202.1113149689.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> <1150.24.2.210.202.1113784811.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> Message-ID: On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us wrote: > The Radeon 7000 problem with the xorg-x11 updates appears resolved in > > http://people.redhat.com/krh/fdo1912.1 > > A couple of people besides myself also reported no smp crashes with the fix. Good news! A new build of LTSP is just around the corner as well. Hopefully all of this will be released in the next day or two. I'd really like to officially ship 4.2.1 before heading off to Sydney. -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Apr 18 03:06:44 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 20:06:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] usb/pen/thunbdrives& floppy access>this works! In-Reply-To: <001d01c542b8$d7048320$01fea8c0@brcHOST> References: <001d01c542b8$d7048320$01fea8c0@brcHOST> Message-ID: I took a crack at packaging this. I have neither a terminal nor a terminal server available at the moment, so there is a bit of a chance that this first build won't actually work ;-) I made a few changes. First, I added the contents of ./rc.d/usbkey to ./rc.d/floppyd. Second, I have ./rc.d/floppyd make ./dev/sda1 directly if it does not exist. Third, rather than editing /etc/mtoolsrc, I set an environment variable (only if you are using a terminal!) that tells mtools to read /etc/mtoolsrc.ltsp instead. All you should need to do is install this package and make sure that the "RCFILE_01 = floppyd" line is uncommented in lts.conf ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/ltsp_floppyd-4.2.1-0.k12ltsp.4.2.i386.rpm -Eric On Sat, 16 Apr 2005, Barry R Cisna wrote: > Hello List,, > Thought this cut & paste may be of some use to some souls trying to get > both floppy & usb drives/pendrives to work. This setup does ,actually work. > I have it working on four servers ,running K12LTSP v 4.2.0. You just need to > add& adjust a few of the existing conf files ,on your k12ltsp servers for > the clients to get access to both floppy & usb /pen drives.I could always > get either floppy OR usb drives to work but not both ,till I found this > setup! > This MAY keep staff happy and make K12LTSP a better "selling > point"..with this scenario. > Have a good one. > > Barry--- > > 3.5.1. Accessing local drives with Linux sessions > We said earlier that using a Linux session on a workstation means receiving > display from the LTSP server and all what you see runs on the LTSP server. > Thus, accessing drives on the workstation returns to a remote access from > the LTSP server to the local drives on the workstation > > 3.5.1.1. Using floppyd > Floppyd is used as a server to grant access to the floppy drive to clients > running on a remote machine, just as an X server grants access to the > display to remote clients. floppyd is always associated with an X server. It > runs on the same machine as its X server, and listens on port 5703 and > above. > > mtools is a collection of tools to allow Unix systems to manipulate MS-DOS > files: read, write, and move around files on an MS-DOS filesystem (typically > a floppy disk) without mounting/unmounting it. MtoolsFM is a little file > manager that uses mtools and has a nice GUI. > > Note > When you connect using a Linux session, you will see an icon on the > desktop named "Floppy access" which launches MtoolsFM. > > > a.. To use floppyd on the workstation to grant access to the floppy drive > > a.. Add the following line in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf at the end of > the workstation's section > > [workstation_name] > ... > > # start floppyd to access the floppy drive (listen on port 5703) > RCFILE_01 = floppyd > b.. Reboot the workstation > > b.. To access the floppy drive from a Linux session > > a.. Make sure that /etc/mtools.conf contains only the following lines > > # Assign drive "a:" to floppy > drive a: file="$DISPLAY" mtools_skip_check=1 remote > b.. Create a file named /etc/mtoolsfm.conf and put the following lines in it > > # MToolsFM config file. comments start with a hash sign. > # > # This variable sets the allowed driveletters (all lowercase). Example: > # DRIVES="ab" > DRIVES="a" > # > # This variable sets the driveletter upon startup in the left window. > # An empty string or space is for the hardisk. Example: > # LEFTDRIVE="a" > LEFTDRIVE="" > # > # This variable sets the driveletter upon startup in the right window. > # An empty string or space is for the hardisk. Example: > # RIGHTDRIVE="a" > RIGHTDRIVE="" > c.. Use the mtools commands or the MtoolsFM GUI > > Many USB keys are preformatted with a MS-DOS filesytem. This means that it > is possible to access the USB keys with floppyd. The procedure is outlined > below (for more details, see USB Storage in the K12LTSP wiki) > > a.. To use floppyd on the workstation to grant access to the USB key > > a.. Create a directory called dev-files containing the device file sda1. > This is because USB keys are generally assigned /dev/sda1 under a Linux > system > > # mkdir /opt/ltsp/i386/dev-files > # MAKEDEV -d /opt/ltsp/i386/dev-files -x sda1 > b.. Create the file /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.d/usbkey containing the following > and make it executable > > #!/bin/bash > # > # First, since floppyd runs as nobody, make /tmp world accessible. > # > chmod 777 /tmp > # > #copy the previously created device node > # > mkdir /tmp/dev > cp -a /dev-files/sda1 /tmp/dev/sda1 > # > # and make it world accessible > # > chmod 666 /tmp/dev/sda1 > # > # Finally, start floppyd. > # > # In order to have access to both floppy and USB keys, we tell floppyd > # to listen on port 5704. > floppyd -l -s 5704 -d /tmp/dev/sda1 > # chmod 755 /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.d/usbkey > c.. Add the following line in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf at the end of the > workstation's section > > [workstation_name] > ... > > # Load USB Mass Storage driver > MODULE_01 = usb-storage > #MODULE_02 = ehci-hcd > > # start floppyd to access the USB key (listen on port 5704) > RCFILE_02 = usbkey > d.. Reboot the workstation > > b.. To access the floppy drive from a Linux session > > a.. Modify /etc/mtools.conf so that is looks like this > > # Assign drive "a:" to floppy > drive a: file="$DISPLAY" mtools_skip_check=1 remote > > # Assign drive "u:" to USB key > drive u: file="$DISPLAY/5704" mtools_skip_check=1 remote > b.. Modify /etc/mtoolsfm.conf so that is looks like this > > # MToolsFM config file. comments start with a hash sign. > # > # This variable sets the allowed driveletters (all lowercase). Example: > # DRIVES="ab" > DRIVES="au" > # > # This variable sets the driveletter upon startup in the left window. > # An empty string or space is for the hardisk. Example: > # LEFTDRIVE="a" > LEFTDRIVE="" > # > # This variable sets the driveletter upon startup in the right window. > # An empty string or space is for the hardisk. Example: > # RIGHTDRIVE="a" > RIGHTDRIVE="" > c.. Use the mtools commands or the MtoolsFM GUI > > Tip > If you don't see any of the drives in MtoolsFM, then quit MtoolsFM, > delete ${HOME}/.mtoolsfm and start MtoolsFM. You can also use "Configure > MtoolsFM..." in the "Options" menu of MtoolsFM. > > > Warning > 1.. You can plug/unplug a same USB key as many time as you want > but if you plug another USB key it will not be accessed because the system > assigned to it another device (likely /dev/sdb1). > > From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Apr 18 04:20:36 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 00:20:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] usb/pen/thunbdrives& floppy access>this works! In-Reply-To: References: <001d01c542b8$d7048320$01fea8c0@brcHOST> Message-ID: Eric....will this work in 4.1? "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Sun Apr 17 2005 at 23:06 +0000 wrote: > >I took a crack at packaging this. I have neither a terminal nor a >terminal server available at the moment, so there is a bit of a chance >that this first build won't actually work ;-) > >I made a few changes. First, I added the contents of ./rc.d/usbkey >to ./rc.d/floppyd. Second, I have ./rc.d/floppyd make ./dev/sda1 >directly if it does not exist. Third, rather than editing >/etc/mtoolsrc, I set an environment variable (only if you are using >a terminal!) that tells mtools to read /etc/mtoolsrc.ltsp instead. > >All you should need to do is install this package and make sure that >the "RCFILE_01 = floppyd" line is uncommented in lts.conf > >ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/ltsp_floppyd-4.2.1-0.k12ltsp.4.2.i386.rpm > >-Eric David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Apr 18 04:42:01 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 21:42:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] usb/pen/thunbdrives& floppy access>this works! In-Reply-To: References: <001d01c542b8$d7048320$01fea8c0@brcHOST> Message-ID: On Mon, 18 Apr 2005, David Trask wrote: > Eric....will this work in 4.1? I think it will work all the way back to 3.0. (assuming it works at all, of course ;-) -Eric > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Sun Apr 17 2005 at 23:06 +0000 wrote: >> >> I took a crack at packaging this. I have neither a terminal nor a >> terminal server available at the moment, so there is a bit of a chance >> that this first build won't actually work ;-) >> >> I made a few changes. First, I added the contents of ./rc.d/usbkey >> to ./rc.d/floppyd. Second, I have ./rc.d/floppyd make ./dev/sda1 >> directly if it does not exist. Third, rather than editing >> /etc/mtoolsrc, I set an environment variable (only if you are using >> a terminal!) that tells mtools to read /etc/mtoolsrc.ltsp instead. >> >> All you should need to do is install this package and make sure that >> the "RCFILE_01 = floppyd" line is uncommented in lts.conf >> >> ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/ltsp_floppyd-4.2.1-0.k12ltsp.4.2.i386.rpm >> >> -Eric From hick518 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 18 10:25:04 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 03:25:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Implementing K12LTSP on 100+ clients In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050418102504.49887.qmail@web41607.mail.yahoo.com> In my home, my router acts as a dhcp server on standard port 67 (in case any friends or family bring a laptop over), and my LTSP server also acts as a dhcp server, but on port 1067. I use a rom-o-matic boot floppy that is customized to send out its dhcp request on port 1067, which is very easy to do on their website. The only problem I've had is I can't seem to get my wireless boot disk to work right on port 1067. -Rob > Byron Kapali wrote: > > > Our campus is mostly PCs running off a Windows PDC > while our router > > handles the DHCP. Here is my question...I would > like to setup 100+ > > thinclients across campus in different buildings > and classrooms. The > > only way I know how to setup K12LTSP is to have > all the thinclients on > > a switch with the server as the bridge to the > internet/router. The > > reason for doing this is so other computers would > not try to access > > the K12LTSP server as the DHCP server. (I know, > preaching to the > > choir) I DON'T want to setup a K12LTSP server for > every building or > > in some cases every floor. (Do I have to just give > in and do it?) > > > > How can I setup K12LTSP so it can go from > classroom to classroom, > > building to building, and not get confused with > the router as the DHCP > > server. Is there a way to modify the boot disk or > chip boot script to > > go to the K12LTSP server only. Also, would I need > to modify my > > Windows computers as well so that it ignores > K12LTSP as a DHCP > > server? Any suggestion? > > > > Thanks, > > Byron > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From hick518 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 18 10:35:17 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 03:35:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] users kicked out on 4.2.1 In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050418103522.32828.qmail@web41604.mail.yahoo.com> --- Jim McQuillan wrote: > But, the pinginterval is there for a reason. To > detect displays that > have dissappeared or are hung up for some reason. > > That's how GDM knows that it should kill any child > processes if a user > turns off their terminal. > Isn't this the feature that doesn't seem to work, leaving servers with orphaned processes when a user's terminal either locks up or is powered-off without logging out properly? Maybe I should check my pinginterval setting and make sure it's not set to zero... -Rob __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From hick518 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 18 10:44:14 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 03:44:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] how about a live CD or live usb hard drive? Message-ID: <20050418104414.31136.qmail@web41613.mail.yahoo.com> I think this would be a cool and convenient way to show off K12LTSP to schools. I'm thinking specifically of a school that is local to me which has a newish P4 in every classroom. I'd like to show them that they can turn each of those desktop machines into a server and add 5 or so thin clients to each classroom. I think if I could plug in a usb hard drive and boot their existing computer off of it (and provide my own thin clients), it would really drive the point home. Just an idea I thought I'd throw out there. I don't know if a live CD or a live usb hard drive version would perform quickly enough to be impressive to anybody... -Rob __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides! http://travel.yahoo.com/p-travelguide From cliebow at downeast.net Mon Apr 18 13:05:42 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 13:05:42 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] how about a live CD or live usb hard drive? Message-ID: <200504181158.j3IBwRa08941@downeast.net> how bout an etherboot floppy disk?? I think this would be a cool and convenient way to > show off K12LTSP to schools. I'm thinking > specifically of a school that is local to me which has > a newish P4 in every classroom. I'd like to show them > that they can turn each of those desktop machines into > a server and add 5 or so thin clients to each > classroom. I think if I could plug in a usb hard > drive and boot their existing computer off of it (and > provide my own thin clients), it would really drive > the point home. > > Just an idea I thought I'd throw out there. I don't > know if a live CD or a live usb hard drive ve rsion > would perform quickly enough to be impressive to > anybody... > > -Rob > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides! > http://travel.yahoo.com/p-travelguide > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From petre at maltzen.net Mon Apr 18 13:30:03 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 08:30:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] how about a live CD or live usb hard drive? In-Reply-To: <200504181158.j3IBwRa08941@downeast.net> References: <200504181158.j3IBwRa08941@downeast.net> Message-ID: <4263B65B.1050301@maltzen.net> I think he's talking about having a server configured on a USB hard disk that can be plugged into the fancy new machines turning them into LTSP servers. cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > how bout an etherboot floppy disk?? > I think this would be a cool and convenient way to > >>show off K12LTSP to schools. I'm thinking >>specifically of a school that is local to me which has >>a newish P4 in every classroom. I'd like to show them >>that they can turn each of those desktop machines into >>a server and add 5 or so thin clients to each >>classroom. I think if I could plug in a usb hard >>drive and boot their existing computer off of it (and >>provide my own thin clients), it would really drive >>the point home. >> >>Just an idea I thought I'd throw out there. I don't >>know if a live CD or a live usb hard drive ve > > > rsion > >>would perform quickly enough to be impressive to >>anybody... >> >>-Rob >> >> >> >>__________________________________ >>Do you Yahoo!? >>Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides! >>http://travel.yahoo.com/p-travelguide >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> > > > --------------------------------------------- > This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From julius at turtle.com Mon Apr 18 13:33:42 2005 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 09:33:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] users kicked out on 4.2.1 In-Reply-To: <20050418103522.32828.qmail@web41604.mail.yahoo.com> References: 6667 <20050418103522.32828.qmail@web41604.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1114.216.216.171.3.1113831222.squirrel@216.216.171.3> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > --- Jim McQuillan wrote: > >> But, the pinginterval is there for a reason. To >> detect displays that >> have dissappeared or are hung up for some reason. >> >> That's how GDM knows that it should kill any child >> processes if a user >> turns off their terminal. >> > > Isn't this the feature that doesn't seem to work, > leaving servers with orphaned processes when a user's > terminal either locks up or is powered-off without > logging out properly? > > Maybe I should check my pinginterval setting and make > sure it's not set to zero... > > -Rob The continuing saga of users being kicked out on 4.2.1: I am doing the following things: 1. keep my fingers crossed, 2. knock on unpainted wood as all stations are still ok. I have done the following: 1. put the X ping interval at 0, 2 very carefully edited the lts.conf file removing all obsolete references. I am contemplating the following, if stations continue to fail: 1. return to the previous version of LTSP, specifically, use the /opt/ltsp and /tftpdir/ltsp from before upgrade. 2. switch to a different windows manager (IceWM) was ruled out - the users don't want to change. I'll keep you posted. julius -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCY7c22LhlZOaj6vURAl+kAJ9DfE7KfMSSBET+nqfrkGbvO1MfNQCdG+MK n2sATNQi+HKLiBcPNMSR+sc= =vcUy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cliebow at downeast.net Mon Apr 18 13:31:21 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 13:31:21 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] how about a live CD or live usb hard drive? Message-ID: <200504181224.j3ICO6a12972@downeast.net> i see...fwiw i take my laptop setup to do dhcp on 1001 and floppies set up for 1002..so i dont toast dhcp..chuck> I think he's talking about having a server configured on a USB hard disk that can be > plugged into the fancy new machines turning them into LTSP servers. > > cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > > how bout an etherboot floppy disk?? > > I think this would be a cool and convenient way to > > > >>show off K12LTSP to schools. I'm thinking > >>specifically of a school that is local to me which has > >>a newish P4 in every classroom. I'd like to show them > >>that they can turn each of those desktop machines into > >>a server and add 5 or so thin clients to each > >>classroom. I think if I could plug in a usb hard > >>drive and boot their existing computer off of it (and > >>provide my own thin clients), it would really drive > >>the point home. > >> > >>Just an idea I thought I'd throw out there. I don't > >>know if a live CD or a live usb hard drive ve > > > > > > rsion > > > >>would perform quickly enough to be impressive to > >>anybody... > >> > >>-Rob > >> > >> > >> > >>__________________________________ > >>Do you Yahoo!? > >>Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides! > >>http://travel.yahoo.com/p-travelguide > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>K12OSN mailing list > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>For more info see > >> > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > > http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Apr 18 13:51:49 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 08:51:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] how about a live CD or live usb hard drive? In-Reply-To: <4263B65B.1050301@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <003301c5441d$c4802540$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > >>show off K12LTSP to schools. I'm thinking > >>specifically of a school that is local to me which has > >>a newish P4 in every classroom. I'd like to show them > >>that they can turn each of those desktop machines into > >>a server and add 5 or so thin clients to each > >>classroom. I think if I could plug in a usb hard > >>drive and boot their existing computer off of it (and > >>provide my own thin clients), it would really drive > >>the point home. Our Solution to this has just been to buy a couple of the bottom of the line Dell home machines as demo servers. The last one we bought was a 2.8GHZ celeron with 512MB RAM and an 80GB HD with a 17" flat screen for $500. Then we just configure them as a single NIC server with K12LTSP. This way we can just change the IP to match the new network, re-run the k12ltsp-initialize scripts, slam it on their network, and start booting clients from anywhere on their network. Any more than 5 clients and heavy use will about kill it, but it is enough to get the point across and let them start playing with the software. We of course tell them that this is not a real server and that a decent one will cost them about $5000 and run 30-40 concurrent clients (with standard applications, not 40 instances of Kstars while playing Chess :-). After a few months we'll just wipe these machines and sell them for about the same price then buy new ones if we need them. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From cliebow at downeast.net Mon Apr 18 13:36:11 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 13:36:11 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] python help Message-ID: <200504181228.j3ICSua13681@downeast.net> any snakers out there willing to teach a little python? simply need to execute a command by pushing a button..using os.system..brain is fried from googling this..chuck #!/usr/bin/python #import os, Tkinter #import string from Tkinter import * from os import * #from sys import * #dir(os) class Application(Frame): def __init__(self, master=None): Frame.__init__(self, master) self.grid() self.createWidgets() self.createWidgets2() self.createWidgets3() self.createWidgets4() def createWidgets(self): self.quitButton = Button ( self, text="Install RPMS", fg="white", command=self.wooha) self.quitButton.grid() def createWidgets2(self): self.quitButton = Button ( self, text="Add an entire new ldap directory", fg="red" , command=self.wooha2) self.quitButton.grid() def createWidgets3(self): self.quitButton = Button ( self, text="Install from csvfiles", fg="blue" , command=self.wooha3) self.quitButton.grid() def createWidgets4(self): self.quitButton = Button ( self, text="Install Single User", fg="green" , command=self.wooha4) self.quitButton.grid() def wooha(self): #cmd="/usr/bin/freecell" os.system("echo done") #print "Hey" def wooha2(self): print "Ho" def wooha3(self): print "Hee" def wooha4(self): print "Ha!" app = Application() app.master.title("ldapadmin") app.mainloop() --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From arendsj at skokie69.k12.il.us Mon Apr 18 14:02:28 2005 From: arendsj at skokie69.k12.il.us (John Arends) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 09:02:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] thin clients Message-ID: Have any of you tried using thin clients boxes from wyse or another company instead of old PCs as your thin clients? From vceder at canterburyschool.org Mon Apr 18 14:07:39 2005 From: vceder at canterburyschool.org (Vern Ceder) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 09:07:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] python help In-Reply-To: <200504181228.j3ICSua13681@downeast.net> References: <200504181228.j3ICSua13681@downeast.net> Message-ID: <4263BF2B.20803@canterburyschool.org> Chuck, What you have will work just fine. The only problem is that you imported everything from the os module directly into the namespace, but then tried to call os.system("echo done"). Using that sort of import you should just use system() (no "os."). Either do: import os .... os.system("echo done") *OR* from os import * ... system("echo done") Hope this helps, Vern -- This time for sure! -Bullwinkle J. Moose ----------------------------- Vern Ceder, Director of Technology Canterbury School, 3210 Smith Road, Ft Wayne, IN 46804 vceder at canterburyschool.org; 260-436-0746; FAX: 260-436-5137 cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > any snakers out there willing to teach a little python? simply need to > execute a command by pushing a button..using os.system..brain is fried from > googling this..chuck > > #!/usr/bin/python > #import os, Tkinter > #import string > from Tkinter import * > from os import * > #from sys import * > #dir(os) > > class Application(Frame): > def __init__(self, master=None): > Frame.__init__(self, master) > self.grid() > self.createWidgets() > self.createWidgets2() > self.createWidgets3() > self.createWidgets4() > > def createWidgets(self): > self.quitButton = Button ( self, text="Install RPMS", fg="white", > command=self.wooha) > self.quitButton.grid() > > def createWidgets2(self): > self.quitButton = Button ( self, text="Add an entire new ldap directory", > fg="red" , > command=self.wooha2) > self.quitButton.grid() > > def createWidgets3(self): > self.quitButton = Button ( self, text="Install from csvfiles", fg="blue" , > command=self.wooha3) > self.quitButton.grid() > > def createWidgets4(self): > self.quitButton = Button ( self, text="Install Single User", fg="green" , > command=self.wooha4) > self.quitButton.grid() > > def wooha(self): > #cmd="/usr/bin/freecell" > os.system("echo done") > #print "Hey" > > def wooha2(self): > print "Ho" > > def wooha3(self): > print "Hee" > > def wooha4(self): > print "Ha!" > > app = Application() > app.master.title("ldapadmin") > app.mainloop() > > > --------------------------------------------- > This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dmrogers at mail.hgresaettc.org Mon Apr 18 13:08:02 2005 From: dmrogers at mail.hgresaettc.org (David M. Rogers) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 09:08:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] how about a live CD or live usb hard drive? In-Reply-To: <003301c5441d$c4802540$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <003301c5441d$c4802540$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <4263B132.4060305@mail.hgresaettc.org> This is similar to what we do for demo purposes. The single NIC server works great for this. What we do for the client is use a PXES Thin Client bootable CD. It works great regardless of what type of DHCP is being used etc..... Just download the PXES ISO and you are set! Jim Kronebusch wrote: >>>>show off K12LTSP to schools. I'm thinking >>>>specifically of a school that is local to me which has >>>>a newish P4 in every classroom. I'd like to show them >>>>that they can turn each of those desktop machines into >>>>a server and add 5 or so thin clients to each >>>>classroom. I think if I could plug in a usb hard >>>>drive and boot their existing computer off of it (and >>>>provide my own thin clients), it would really drive >>>>the point home. > > > > Our Solution to this has just been to buy a couple of the bottom of the > line Dell home machines as demo servers. The last one we bought was a > 2.8GHZ celeron with 512MB RAM and an 80GB HD with a 17" flat screen for > $500. Then we just configure them as a single NIC server with K12LTSP. > This way we can just change the IP to match the new network, re-run the > k12ltsp-initialize scripts, slam it on their network, and start booting > clients from anywhere on their network. Any more than 5 clients and > heavy use will about kill it, but it is enough to get the point across > and let them start playing with the software. > > We of course tell them that this is not a real server and that a decent > one will cost them about $5000 and run 30-40 concurrent clients (with > standard applications, not 40 instances of Kstars while playing Chess > :-). > > After a few months we'll just wipe these machines and sell them for > about the same price then buy new ones if we need them. > > -- Thanks, David David M. Rogers, Technical Specialist http://www.hgresaettc.org (478)-374-2240 ext. 116 Office (478)-374-0861 FAX Heart of Georgia RESA ETTC 1141 Cochran Highway Eastman, GA 31023 ************************************************ Please,configure your e-mail to send text only, see http://expita.com/nomime.html ************************************************ If you have received this e-mail in error or you are not the intended recipient, ignore and delete the message immediately. From cliebow at downeast.net Mon Apr 18 14:02:58 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 14:02:58 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] python help Message-ID: <200504181255.j3ICtha17828@downeast.net> you ARE the man!!!!> Chuck, > > What you have will work just fine. The only problem is that you imported > everything from the os module directly into the namespace, but then > tried to call os.system("echo done"). Using that sort of import you > should just use system() (no "os."). > > Either do: > > import os > ..... > os.system("echo done") > > *OR* > > from os import * > .... > system("echo done") > > Hope this helps, > > Vern > > -- > This time for sure! > -Bullwinkle J. Moose > ----------------------------- > Vern Ceder, Director of Technology > Canterbury School, 3210 Smith Road, Ft Wayne, IN 46804 > vceder at canterburyschool.org; 260-436-0746; FAX: 260-436-5137 > > cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > > any snakers out there willing to teach a little python? simply need to > > execute a command by pushing a button..using os.system..brain is fried from > > googling this..chuck > > > > #!/usr/bin/python > > #import os, Tkinter > > #import string > > from Tkinter import * > > from os import * > > #from sys import * > > #dir(os) > > > > class Application(Frame): > > def __init__(self, master=None): > > Frame.__init__(self, master) > > self.grid() > > self.createWidgets() > > self.createWidgets2() > > self.createWidgets3() > > self.createWidgets4() > > > > def createWidgets(self): > > self.quitButton = Button ( self, text="Install RPMS", fg="white", > > command=self.wooha) > > self.quitButton.grid() > > > > def createWidgets2(self): > > self.quitButton = Button ( self, text="Add an entire new ldap directory", > > fg="red" , > > command=self.wooha2) > > self.quitButton.grid() > > > > def createWidgets3(self): > > self.quitButton = Button ( self, text="Install from csvfiles", fg="blue" , > > command=self.wooha3) > > self.quitButton.grid() > > > > def createWidgets4(self): > > self.quitButton = Button ( self, text="Install Single User", fg="green" , > > command=self.wooha4) > > self.quitButton.grid() > > > > def wooha(self): > > #cmd="/usr/bin/freecell" > > os.system("echo done") > > #print "Hey" > > > > def wooha2(self): > > print "Ho" > > > > def wooha3(self): > > print "Hee" > > > > def wooha4(self): > > print "Ha!" > > > > app = Application() > > app.master.title("ldapadmin") > > app.mainloop() > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > > http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From kanferm at wsdvt.org Mon Apr 18 14:30:16 2005 From: kanferm at wsdvt.org (Mike Kanfer) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 10:30:16 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] YUM Error Message-ID: Thanks for the help. It was indeed a DNS problem. Mike >>> eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us 04/17 2:15 PM >>> On Sun, 17 Apr 2005, Mike Kanfer wrote: > I am trying to update a new install of Fedora 3. When I rnu YUM -y > update, I receive an error that says.. > > Cannot find a valid baseurl for repo: base. > > This is a new install. I have used these CD's on another machine and > update works fine. > > Thanks for your help. The config file this is /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora.repo How this works is that yum retrieves the file specified in the mirrorlist parameter (http://fedora.redhat.com/download/mirrors/fedora-core-3 for FC3) and picks out one of the URLs to use as the baseurl. If you can't fetch http://fedora.redhat.com/download/mirrors/fedora-core-3 it will get the "Cannot find a valid baseurl" error. This likely to be a symptom of a problem, rather than the problem itself. Try using wget to fetch the mirrorlist file: wget http://fedora.redhat.com/download/mirrors/fedora-core-3 That may give you more useful error messages. Double check that your DNS is correct: host www.google.com host fedora.redhat.com -Eric _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From hick518 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 18 15:41:19 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 08:41:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] how about a live CD or live usb hard drive? In-Reply-To: <003301c5441d$c4802540$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20050418154119.17872.qmail@web41601.mail.yahoo.com> That's a good idea, but I'm just a guy. I'm not doing this as a business. I'm just trying to keep my taxes low and make sure the school is all set by the time my son starts kindergarten. If I have $500 to spend on computer equipment, I'm gonna get myself a nice lcd monitor! But I figure I can afford a USB hard drive enclosure and throw an old 6GB drive in it. That's why I was asking about the "live hard drive" setup. Jim, you mentioned 5 clients being the limit on this type of machine. That's good info to know. What, in your opinion, is the limiting factor in your case? RAM? CPU? Would a P4 (rather than a Celeron) make a difference? -Rob --- Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Our Solution to this has just been to buy a couple > of the bottom of the > line Dell home machines as demo servers. The last > one we bought was a > 2.8GHZ celeron with 512MB RAM and an 80GB HD with a > 17" flat screen for > $500. Then we just configure them as a single NIC > server with K12LTSP. > This way we can just change the IP to match the new > network, re-run the > k12ltsp-initialize scripts, slam it on their > network, and start booting > clients from anywhere on their network. Any more > than 5 clients and > heavy use will about kill it, but it is enough to > get the point across > and let them start playing with the software. > > We of course tell them that this is not a real > server and that a decent > one will cost them about $5000 and run 30-40 > concurrent clients (with > standard applications, not 40 instances of Kstars > while playing Chess > :-). > > After a few months we'll just wipe these machines > and sell them for > about the same price then buy new ones if we need > them. > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Apr 18 16:04:28 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 11:04:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] how about a live CD or live usb hard drive? In-Reply-To: <20050418154119.17872.qmail@web41601.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003401c54430$4cd343c0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Jim, you mentioned 5 clients being the limit on this > type of machine. That's good info to know. What, in > your opinion, is the limiting factor in your case? > RAM? CPU? Would a P4 (rather than a Celeron) make a difference? I'm no expert here but I would put my money on RAM. 512MB is barely enough to run its own OS let alone other clients. But it works good for a few clients or maybe for home use. The only problem I see with a external USB drive is booting from it, and maybe speed. You would most likely need to boot from a floppy or live CD like you specified, but I don't know how you would point it to pull partitions from the USB drive every time. And USB for data transfers is slow (especially 1.x). Good luck, I am sure if you can get this figured out many others will use it, like you not everyone can go buy a demo server to cart around to schools. Of course prod your local businesses and people you know. I have been running into some users tossing out their 1GHZ+ machines lately. Not as common as finding a 500MHZ machine but they are out there. Especially home users with WinXP loaded with spyware and viruses. They go buy a new machine thinking hardware was the problem and give away the old one. I guess Microsoft does have its advantages :-) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From robark at gmail.com Mon Apr 18 16:26:01 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 09:26:01 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Anyone have a recipe for S3 Unichrome display In-Reply-To: References: <002301c542bb$25783680$01fea8c0@brcHOST> Message-ID: Interesting little blurb on VIA by distrowatch. http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20050418#1 These boards will be perfect thin clients. Thank You VIA! -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From lsrpm-1 at shaw.ca Mon Apr 18 16:45:03 2005 From: lsrpm-1 at shaw.ca (Liam Marshall) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 11:45:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] DansGuardian Message-ID: <198e8e71990e03.1990e03198e8e7@shaw.ca> I am running K12ltsp out of the box so to speak I have been running my lab without dansguardian or squid/squidguard. I have since run into several situations where content filtering would be usefull. I have played with some settings and have gotten dansguardian to filter my workstation, when I log in as me (proof that it is working) but had to go into the connection settings and say that the HTTP proxy was the ip address of the server with port 8080 How do I make that change (HTTP proxy ipaddy port 8080) to everyone and make it so that they cannot change this when they log in. I am assuming/hoping I do not have to log in as each individual user (over 300!) and manually do this? It would be nice if I could be selective, ie teachers not filtered as much, but I would accept a blanket, all user, solution From bill at computassist.com Mon Apr 18 17:03:11 2005 From: bill at computassist.com (Bill Bardon) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 12:03:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] DansGuardian In-Reply-To: <198e8e71990e03.1990e03198e8e7@shaw.ca> References: <198e8e71990e03.1990e03198e8e7@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <20050418120311.593906c1@localhost.localdomain> On Monday, Apr 18 Liam Marshall wrote: > How do I make that change (HTTP proxy ipaddy port 8080) to everyone > and make it so that they cannot change this when they log in. I am > assuming/hoping I do not have to log in as each individual user (over > 300!) and manually do this? You need to get squid running also, and then configure it as a transparent proxy. One HowTo on this is at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/TransparentProxy.html. Works like a charm! -- Bill Bardon COMPUTASSIST Omaha, Nebraska http://www.computassist.com From thepiano at pandora.be Mon Apr 18 17:54:02 2005 From: thepiano at pandora.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 19:54:02 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Fwd: Rdesktop Message-ID: Hello, I''ve finaly got my first k12ltsp Lab running, and woohoo how it runs soooo great... But... I'd like to have it configured that on screen 4 i'll see rdesktop showing my win2k3 boxes term server. I made the changes to the lts.conf file, and all seems to work well. on CTRL ALT F1 ltsp on CTRL ALT F2 the bash shell on CTRL ALT F3 telnet (just to test) but on CTR ALT F4 nothing happens. I only see an empty prompt on a black screen. Wierd, cause when running rdesktop out of a terminal when running KDE or GNOME everything runs smooth..., even with a lot of commandline switches... Anyone an idea? Kevin Verheyen IT Co?rdinator SG Rupel -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I have not touched bases with Jim yet today, I'm not sure if this is in a production-ready state or not. But it is close, so if you want to experiment with the latest-n-greatest, now's the chance! I'm typing this on a terminal booted off of these packages, so it has been known to work at least once... ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/ltsp_i386-4.2-1.k12ltsp.4.4.2.noarch.rpm ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/ltsp_i386-kernel-4.2-1.k12ltsp.4.4.2.noarch.rpm -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From cliebow at downeast.net Mon Apr 18 18:04:05 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 18:04:05 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Booting iMacs and YUM Question Message-ID: <200504181656.j3IGuna25025@downeast.net> error messages before that error? Is it clear that the network card has initialized ok?? > > > > > > Booting iMacs and YUM Question > > > > >

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> I have two questions. First, I just updated a LTSP server via yum > so that I can boot iMacs from the server. On the test iMac, its > one of the blue bondi's, it actually starts to boot then comes up with > the following error;
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> ERROR! Failed to mount the root directory via NFS!
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> I'm assuming this is whats keeping the system from booting > altogether. However it appears that NFS is running > correctly. Any ideas?
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> Second, I have another server, which happens to be identical to the one > just discussed, that I updated so I can work with the schoolbell > program. While schoolbell was installed and works on the first > server, it does not on the second server. And, as I said, these > are identical servers and configurations. Any ideas?
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> Let me know what you think.
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> > > > > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Mon Apr 18 18:15:57 2005 From: ltsp at symbio-technologies.com (Gideon Romm) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 14:15:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Fwd: Rdesktop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1113848157.6890.12.camel@lts01.nr.symbio.com> You need to edit: /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/inittab and enable screens higher than 3. Only 3 screens are enabled by default. Don't forget to reboot the terminals! -Gideon On Mon, 2005-04-18 at 13:54, Kevin Verheyen wrote: > Hello, > > I''ve finaly got my first k12ltsp Lab running, and woohoo how it runs > soooo great... > But... > > I'd like to have it configured that on screen 4 i'll see rdesktop > showing my win2k3 boxes term server. I made the changes to the lts.conf > file, and all seems to work well. > > on CTRL ALT F1 ltsp > on CTRL ALT F2 the bash shell > on CTRL ALT F3 telnet (just to test) > but on CTR ALT F4 nothing happens. I only see an empty prompt on a > black screen. > > Wierd, cause when running rdesktop out of a terminal when running KDE > or GNOME everything runs smooth..., even with a lot of commandline > switches... > > Anyone an idea? > > Kevin Verheyen > IT Co?rdinator SG Rupel > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Apple Distinguished Educator Belgium > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- -------------------------------------------------------- Gideon Romm | Product R&D gideon at symbio-technologies.com Symbio Technologies o:(914) 576-1205 134 North Ave, Suites E&F f:(914) 576-0944 New Rochelle, NY 10801 c:(914) 774-4691 www.symbio-technologies.com www.thesymbiont.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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You should see a line like this in /etc/exports: /opt/ltsp/ppc 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(ro,no_root_squash,sync) If you don't see a "/opt/ltsp/ppc" line, you can either add that line by hand or run (if you have a stock install) /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/setup-update.sh Afterwards, run: exportfs -a That should do it. > Second, I have another server, which happens to be identical to the one just > discussed, that I updated so I can work with the schoolbell program. While > schoolbell was installed and works on the first server, it does not on the > second server. And, as I said, these are identical servers and configurations. > Any ideas? > > Let me know what you think. > > - Sez What does the logs say? /var/log/schoolbell -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Now I'm having problems with "getent passwd" > taking close to 30 seconds to return... instead of less than a second. > This is keeping users from functioning properly because user ID lookups > take 30 seconds. I had encoutered this problem before when I moved my > own workstation to a new subnet... and fixed it when I moved the > workstation back to the current subnet. I'm going to try to reboot the > Active Directory system tonight (I haven't been able to since it still > serves DHCP at the moment as well as the grading system (and grades are > due tomorrow to be processed, so that's really stressfull too). > > Henry > > Make sure that nscd is running: /sbin/service nscd restart Whether or that is the problem, it should help to mask the problem. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Conlon) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 19:32:40 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] The Gimp and printing Message-ID: <42645FB8.6080008@elp.rr.com> The server is AMD 1 ghz processor, 1 gig RAM and 8 junk box terminals with 128 to 512 meg of RAM I am Running 4.2.2 with updates. There are two printers involved: HP-1200 Laserjet and an HP-841C Deskjet color inkjet printer. PROBLEM: Anything printed using the Gimp takes about two hours before it even starts to print. In the mean time no other users can print. If the Gimp file is put into OO word processor it is printed very quickly on either printer. The quick printing also applies to drawings done in Tux Paint. Image files done in the Gimp are averaging less than 100k bytes What is being printed by the other programs has been as high as 3 meg bytes. Does anyone have any suggestions as to why this is or what may be required to fix it? Thanks Pat From dalen at czexan.net Tue Apr 19 03:02:41 2005 From: dalen at czexan.net (Dale Sykora) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 22:02:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] new win xp thin client from MS Message-ID: <426474D1.6020305@czexan.net> Slashdot has a story about this. I wonder if this is a reaction to (K12)LTSP? http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/04/19/0111218&tid=201&tid=230&tid=137&tid=218 From mr.rcollins at gmail.com Tue Apr 19 13:59:01 2005 From: mr.rcollins at gmail.com (Ryan Collins) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 09:59:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] new win xp thin client from MS In-Reply-To: <426474D1.6020305@czexan.net> References: <426474D1.6020305@czexan.net> Message-ID: On 4/18/05, Dale Sykora wrote: > Slashdot has a story about this. I wonder if this is a reaction to > (K12)LTSP? > > http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/04/19/0111218&tid=201&tid=230&tid=137&tid=218 I think it's more of a ploy for Microsoft to get companies to finally upgrade all those 95/98 machines to XP. This is now a year old. but: http://news.com.com/2100-1016-5189481.html Basically, it says that after 2 1/2 years, XP is installed at about 62 percent of businesses with a revenue of $50 million or more. Another study found that 80 percent of companies still have machines running Win95/98. -- Ryan Collins Technology Coordinator - Kenton City Schools http://www.kentoncityschools.org/ From ericbrown at mi-spot.com Tue Apr 19 14:31:58 2005 From: ericbrown at mi-spot.com (Eric Brown) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 09:31:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] new win xp thin client from MS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200504191421.j3JELTD16712@www.mi-spot.com> I wonder what they'll sell it for, $99 a seat? Eric -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Collins Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 8:59 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] new win xp thin client from MS On 4/18/05, Dale Sykora wrote: > Slashdot has a story about this. I wonder if this is a reaction to > (K12)LTSP? > > http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/04/19/0111218&tid=201&t > id=230&tid=137&tid=218 I think it's more of a ploy for Microsoft to get companies to finally upgrade all those 95/98 machines to XP. This is now a year old. but: http://news.com.com/2100-1016-5189481.html Basically, it says that after 2 1/2 years, XP is installed at about 62 percent of businesses with a revenue of $50 million or more. Another study found that 80 percent of companies still have machines running Win95/98. -- Ryan Collins Technology Coordinator - Kenton City Schools http://www.kentoncityschools.org/ _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From scott at hancock.k12.mi.us Tue Apr 19 15:09:12 2005 From: scott at hancock.k12.mi.us (Scott Sherrill) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 11:09:12 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] thin clients In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42651F18.1070502@hancock.k12.mi.us> John Arends wrote: >Have any of you tried using thin clients boxes from wyse or another company instead of old PCs as your thin clients? > > > We use HP Compaq t5305 from disklessworkstations.com for key users (secretaries). Main reason? It *looks* better than an old PC. Some users see an old PC and they think uh! things are going to run so slow or how come I am not getting a new machine like everyone else. They see a new sleek looking box and they lose that prejudice. Silly but it works. We've had really good luck with the t5305 too: plug it in and it goes. Scott From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Tue Apr 19 15:29:51 2005 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 11:29:51 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 14, Issue 23 In-Reply-To: <20050418160023.7AEFE7340F@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050418160023.7AEFE7340F@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1113924591.10025.79.camel@phoenix.hhp> Julius, I am in the same boat now you are...read below. Eric, I hacked my setup by dumping "getent passwd > /etc/passwd" and disabling ldap account checking (it still auths/passwd via kerberos thank goodness). Thanks for the tip on nscd. For some reason everything I had read previously said to turn it off. I've got extreemly slow logins (rest of the session runs fast). When a client comes up, the screen stays gray for longer than usual, and then when the user logs in, it pauses after they have entered their password. It almost seems like GDM is taking awhile to run the pre/post/init scripts. I once fixed a similar problem by running gdm-safe-restart (I had a lab full of gray screens, and then one by one they all blinked on.. it's not helping right now). Try logging into your server from another linux box via Xnest & XDMCP (I used tsclient to configure the options). I get a black screen and then finally the login screen (much longer than it used to be). VNC is slow as well. I do have systems that get wacked as well while the user is still using them. The only things I have done recently are: setup vnc via the X module method (http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress#VNC_SO) and ran a ton of updates yesterday AM that included Xorg. BTW, I am running 4.1.1 Henry Burroughs Technology Director Hilton Head Preparatory School > > ______________________________________________________________________ > From: Julius Szelagiewicz > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] users kicked out on 4.2.1 > Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 09:33:42 -0400 > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > --- Jim McQuillan wrote: > > > >> But, the pinginterval is there for a reason. To > >> detect displays that > >> have dissappeared or are hung up for some reason. > >> > >> That's how GDM knows that it should kill any child > >> processes if a user > >> turns off their terminal. > >> > > > > Isn't this the feature that doesn't seem to work, > > leaving servers with orphaned processes when a user's > > terminal either locks up or is powered-off without > > logging out properly? > > > > Maybe I should check my pinginterval setting and make > > sure it's not set to zero... > > > > -Rob > > The continuing saga of users being kicked out on 4.2.1: > I am doing the following things: > 1. keep my fingers crossed, 2. knock on unpainted wood as all stations are > still ok. > I have done the following: > 1. put the X ping interval at 0, 2 very carefully edited the lts.conf file > removing all obsolete references. > I am contemplating the following, if stations continue to fail: > 1. return to the previous version of LTSP, specifically, use the /opt/ltsp > and /tftpdir/ltsp from before upgrade. 2. switch to a different windows > manager (IceWM) was ruled out - the users don't want to change. > > I'll keep you posted. julius > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFCY7c22LhlZOaj6vURAl+kAJ9DfE7KfMSSBET+nqfrkGbvO1MfNQCdG+MK > n2sATNQi+HKLiBcPNMSR+sc= > =vcUy > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > From jam at mcquil.com Tue Apr 19 15:47:22 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 11:47:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] thin clients In-Reply-To: <42651F18.1070502@hancock.k12.mi.us> References: <42651F18.1070502@hancock.k12.mi.us> Message-ID: In this thread about thin clients, I thought I'd chime in and tell you guys what I'm using as my main workstation. First of all, we do "eat our own dogfood" here in the LTSP development lab. In fact, we have for many years. My setup on my desk is: HP 5505 thin client (733mhz Transmeta, 128mb of ram) HP 2335 23" Flat panel Apple Mac keyboard Logitech wireless mouse The setup works GREAT! My latest addition is the HP 23" flat panel. It does 1920x1200, and the Ati graphics chipset in the 5505 thin client drives it perfectly. Of course I had to add a custom modeline, but that just shows the flexibility of LTSP. I'm using the Apple Mac keyboard, because it is the best USB keyboard that I've been able to find. And believe me, I've tried many. The keyboard works great, but I did have to re-map the "apple" key to be an "Alt" key. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Tue, 19 Apr 2005, Scott Sherrill wrote: > John Arends wrote: > > > Have any of you tried using thin clients boxes from wyse or another company > > instead of old PCs as your thin clients? > > > > > > We use HP Compaq t5305 from disklessworkstations.com for key users > (secretaries). Main reason? It *looks* better than an old PC. Some users see > an old PC and they think uh! things are going to run so slow or how come I am > not getting a new machine like everyone else. > > They see a new sleek looking box and they lose that prejudice. > > Silly but it works. We've had really good luck with the t5305 too: plug it > in and it goes. > > Scott > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From linuxk12 at mountainlake.k12.mn.us Tue Apr 19 16:03:40 2005 From: linuxk12 at mountainlake.k12.mn.us (linuxk12 at mountainlake.k12.mn.us) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 11:03:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Tuning Message-ID: <200504191603.j3JG3eFb007492@sv1.mountainlake.k12.mn.us> I have a server that is getting bogged down and am wondering how I can tune it for better performance. Initially when I noticed response times slowing, I used "top" to see what was going on. When load averages are over 3.0, sometimes 5.0 and greater, response time is very poor. At the same time, top reported that the processor was 90% idle or better. That led me wonder if there was an i/o bottleneck with the processor idling while waiting for disk accesses to be completed. I don't know how to check for that. More recently I discovered "vmstat" and have been using that to monitor what is going on. Swapping doesn't appear to be a major problem ("si" and "so" are usually at zero), so more memory wouldn't help me with respect to swapping. Would more memory help for some other reason? What vmstat did show is that context switching is getting out of hand during the times when the server appears overloaded. Typically the "cs" numbers are in the 300-500 range when things are humming along nicely. But something will push that number into the 1000's then the 10,000's and sometimes 100,000s and the box stalls out at that point, waiting for the backlog to clear. I typically use "vmstat 5" to see five second data. So, I'm wondering if there is something I can tune to fix this. Are there other monitoring tools I can use to show that my tuning is helping things? Failing a tuning solution, what do I need to do to ensure that a new server has enough power to overcome this problem? These are the specifics on the server. This is a Dell server running RedHat with kernel 2.4.18-3. It is mostly a file server that supports NFS, smb and netatalk (AppleTalk) for about 160 computers. There are about 80 smb connections and 80 live NFS connections all day long of which perhaps a third to half are actively transferring data at the same time. The same server also acts as an ldap database (for the OSX clients) and mail server (sendmail, spamassassin, imap). Here is a count of some of these processes that are all running at the same time as reported by 'ps': 5 identd 5 spamd 7 /var/openldap/libexec/slapd 8 [kjournald] 8 [nfsd] 20 imapd --- this looks unusual! 22 /usr/sbin/afpd 36 smbd >From /proc/cpuinfo: vendor_id : GenuineIntel cpu family : 6 model : 11 model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) III CPU family 1400MHz stepping : 1 cpu MHz : 1396.496 cache size : 512 KB bogomips : 2785.28 There are two SCSI drives formated as ext3 and the drive that sees most of the io is mounted like this: /dev/sdb1 /home ext3 rw,data=writeback,usrquota 0 0 So obviously I am using user quotas. I don't remember what "writeback" is doing for me. Initially I was looking at performance issues to see if I should upgrade to a gigabit ether connection, but with the current performance problems, it doesn't appear to be able to fill even a 100Mb pipe. Any suggestions are welcome. If I need to invest some dollars to fix this I will, but I want to spend them wisely. -- Jon Harder Technology Coordinator Mountain Lake Public School Mountain Lake, Minnesota From les at futuresource.com Tue Apr 19 16:03:54 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 11:03:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] new win xp thin client from MS In-Reply-To: <200504191421.j3JELTD16712@www.mi-spot.com> References: <200504191421.j3JELTD16712@www.mi-spot.com> Message-ID: <1113926634.5532.2.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-04-19 at 09:31, Eric Brown wrote: > I wonder what they'll sell it for, $99 a seat? The OS license doesn't matter so much as the CAL that you also need. With Window 2003 server, you no longer get free CALs with the OS on other machines. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From wparrott at gcps1.com Tue Apr 19 16:25:46 2005 From: wparrott at gcps1.com (William Parrott) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 12:25:46 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] thin clients Message-ID: We've used a Wyse 9235 (booting from PXE, not the WinXPe OS) terminals in a testing-only lab. It's still a rather expensive way to go (about $400 w/o monitor). If your environment doesn't require removable storage for end-users it is very reliable and easy to service platform. I am planning to evaluate the Neoware Capio One (under $250 w/o monitor) as a possible alternative to the Wyse terminals. Wyse makes a sub-$300 terminal (1200 series) but I believe they only support Citrix ICA/MS RDP (no PXE). I'm now working on getting some old Amptron 'BookPC'(BKE630) computers to boot from the network. They have RPL boot support but no PXE support. Has anyone from the list been able to successfully boot from an RPL-based network client or with one of these 'Book-PC's'? > John Arends wrote: > > Have any of you tried using thin clients boxes from wyse > or another > company instead of old PCs as your thin clients? From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tue Apr 19 16:35:09 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 11:35:09 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] new win xp thin client from MS In-Reply-To: <1113926634.5532.2.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <200504191421.j3JELTD16712@www.mi-spot.com> <1113926634.5532.2.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 19 Apr 2005, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Tue, 2005-04-19 at 09:31, Eric Brown wrote: > > I wonder what they'll sell it for, $99 a seat? > > The OS license doesn't matter so much as the CAL that you also > need. With Window 2003 server, you no longer get free CALs with > the OS on other machines. And, don't the CALs expire after each year? (ie - management nightmare in a year or two. . .!) > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tue Apr 19 16:31:17 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 11:31:17 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] new win xp thin client from MS In-Reply-To: References: <426474D1.6020305@czexan.net> Message-ID: Ol' Billy's gettin' worried! FINALLY!!!!! Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Tue, 19 Apr 2005, Ryan Collins wrote: > On 4/18/05, Dale Sykora wrote: > > Slashdot has a story about this. I wonder if this is a reaction to > > (K12)LTSP? > > > > http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/04/19/0111218&tid=201&tid=230&tid=137&tid=218 > > I think it's more of a ploy for Microsoft to get companies to finally > upgrade all those 95/98 machines to XP. > > This is now a year old. but: > http://news.com.com/2100-1016-5189481.html > > Basically, it says that after 2 1/2 years, XP is installed at about 62 > percent of businesses with a revenue of $50 million or more. Another > study found that 80 percent of companies still have machines running > Win95/98. > > -- > Ryan Collins > Technology Coordinator - Kenton City Schools > http://www.kentoncityschools.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tue Apr 19 16:32:33 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 11:32:33 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] new win xp thin client from MS In-Reply-To: <200504191421.j3JELTD16712@www.mi-spot.com> References: <200504191421.j3JELTD16712@www.mi-spot.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 19 Apr 2005, Eric Brown wrote: > I wonder what they'll sell it for, $99 a seat? > > Eric > Yeah, probably per year, as well. . . Doug > -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Collins Sent: > Tuesday, April 19, 2005 8:59 AM To: Support list for opensource software > in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] new win xp thin client from MS > > On 4/18/05, Dale Sykora wrote: > > Slashdot has a story about this. I wonder if this is a reaction to > > (K12)LTSP? > > > > http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/04/19/0111218&tid=201&t > > id=230&tid=137&tid=218 > > I think it's more of a ploy for Microsoft to get companies to finally > upgrade all those 95/98 machines to XP. > > This is now a year old. but: > http://news.com.com/2100-1016-5189481.html > > Basically, it says that after 2 1/2 years, XP is installed at about 62 > percent of businesses with a revenue of $50 million or more. Another study > found that 80 percent of companies still have machines running Win95/98. > > -- > Ryan Collins > Technology Coordinator - Kenton City Schools > http://www.kentoncityschools.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From spowers at inlandlakes.org Tue Apr 19 16:45:24 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 12:45:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] thin clients In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9495d6f03bb7ec0c09649bd8bbaa8dcb@inlandlakes.org> On Apr 19, 2005, at 12:25 PM, William Parrott wrote: > planning to evaluate the Neoware Capio One (under $250 w/o monitor) Let me save you time -- the video is HORRIBLE on those devices. It works half the time with vesa as the driver, the other half of the time it doesn't work at all. NO acceleration, so even when working, it's choppy and slow. I affectionately call ours "CRAPIOS" -- which at least makes me smile. ;o) -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From wparrott at gcps1.com Tue Apr 19 17:23:12 2005 From: wparrott at gcps1.com (William Parrott) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 13:23:12 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] thin clients Message-ID: Shawn, Thanks for the tip! :) I knew that there was something too good to be true about them... > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Powers > Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 12:45 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] thin clients > > On Apr 19, 2005, at 12:25 PM, William Parrott wrote: > > planning to evaluate the Neoware Capio One (under $250 w/o monitor) > > Let me save you time -- the video is HORRIBLE on those > devices. It works half the time with vesa as the driver, the > other half of the time it doesn't work at all. NO > acceleration, so even when working, it's choppy and slow. > > I affectionately call ours "CRAPIOS" -- which at least makes > me smile. > ;o) > > -Shawn > -- > Shawn Powers > Technology Director > Inland Lakes Schools > PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 > FAX: 509-356-7024 > spowers at inlandlakes.org > http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org > > ---- The > views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic > whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future > plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular > insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer > are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much > everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should > be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Apr 19 18:19:54 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 11:19:54 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP 4.1.1 released, test packages available Message-ID: <42654BCA.2040606@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Jim officially released LTSP 4.1.1: http://www.ltsp.org/ltsp-4.1.1.html Test packages for K12LTSP 4.2 are available at: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/ltsp_i386-4.1.1-0.k12ltsp.0.4.2.noarch.rpm ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/ltsp_i386-kernel-4.1.1-0.k12ltsp.0.4.2.noarch.rpm If you installed yesterday's test LTSP rpm packages, you'll note that these have a lower version number. You'll need to use the "--oldpackage" switch to upgrade to these packages: rpm -Uhv --oldpackage ltsp_i386* I'll have new ISOs availible for testing in a couple of hours. I'm finishing up building Firefox 1.0.3 packages. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From Zouhir.Hafidi at math.univ-lille1.fr Tue Apr 19 18:45:35 2005 From: Zouhir.Hafidi at math.univ-lille1.fr (Zouhir.Hafidi at math.univ-lille1.fr) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 20:45:35 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [K12OSN]usb/pen/thunbdrives& floppy access>this works! In-Reply-To: <001a01c54467$595b8ee0$01fea8c0@brcHOST> References: <001a01c54467$595b8ee0$01fea8c0@brcHOST> Message-ID: <33549.82.226.204.170.1113936335.squirrel@82.226.204.170> > Eric,, > > I have tryed this setup on several thin clients and 4 servers ,like I > said and works without a hitch. > > Get ya a terminal with a floppy, & usb ports that are detected > ,correctly during bootup, and you can see that it does work. I confirm ;-) > BTW : I think > the usb/pendrive has to be inserted in the terminal before you boot the > terminal. No, you haven't to insert the usb key before booting the terminal. You can insert a same USB key as many time as you want but if you insert another key, it will not be accessed until you reboot the terminal as I explained it in http://math.univ-lille1.fr/~hafidi/terminal-services/authentication_and_homedirs_on_linux.html#local_drives-1 ZH From arendsj at skokie69.k12.il.us Tue Apr 19 18:48:04 2005 From: arendsj at skokie69.k12.il.us (John Arends) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 13:48:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] thin clients Message-ID: This is interesting...I was looking forward to using something like that, but now I may rethink it. What PCs do you guys use? Any random ones you can get your hands on, or have you standardized on something? I want to try setting up 10 terminals and a server as a test, but cost is a huge factor. >>> wparrott at gcps1.com 04/19/05 12:23 PM >>> Shawn, Thanks for the tip! :) I knew that there was something too good to be true about them... > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Powers > Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 12:45 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] thin clients > > On Apr 19, 2005, at 12:25 PM, William Parrott wrote: > > planning to evaluate the Neoware Capio One (under $250 w/o monitor) > > Let me save you time -- the video is HORRIBLE on those > devices. It works half the time with vesa as the driver, the > other half of the time it doesn't work at all. NO > acceleration, so even when working, it's choppy and slow. > > I affectionately call ours "CRAPIOS" -- which at least makes > me smile. > ;o) > > -Shawn > -- > Shawn Powers > Technology Director > Inland Lakes Schools > PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 > FAX: 509-356-7024 > spowers at inlandlakes.org > http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org > > ---- The > views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic > whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future > plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular > insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer > are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much > everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should > be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From wparrott at gcps1.com Tue Apr 19 19:24:00 2005 From: wparrott at gcps1.com (William Parrott) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 15:24:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] thin clients Message-ID: Hi John, We aren't using it in production yet. We are testing as well. I'm currently supporting over 1200 PC's and 36 servers in a Windows 2003 network. I was looking to the K12LTSP project as a way to run some legacy Windows apps (using emulation) on thin-client devices. The goal for us is to do away with desktop PC's in labs where a thin-client can do the job. To ease the cost of transition from PC to thin-client devices we are looking to leverage several white-box PC's we purchased over the last 8 years. Most of them are "book-pc's", made by a few different manufacturer's but Amptron comes to mind. They are PIII Celeron-based with 128MB of RAM, 20Gig HDD, and CD-ROM. Hope this helps, William > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of John Arends > Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 2:48 PM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] thin clients > > This is interesting...I was looking forward to using > something like that, but now I may rethink it. > > What PCs do you guys use? Any random ones you can get your > hands on, or have you standardized on something? I want to > try setting up 10 terminals and a server as a test, but cost > is a huge factor. > > >>> wparrott at gcps1.com 04/19/05 12:23 PM >>> > Shawn, > > Thanks for the tip! :) I knew that there was something too > good to be true about them... > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Powers > > Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 12:45 PM > > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] thin clients > > > > On Apr 19, 2005, at 12:25 PM, William Parrott wrote: > > > planning to evaluate the Neoware Capio One (under $250 > w/o monitor) > > > > Let me save you time -- the video is HORRIBLE on those devices. It > > works half the time with vesa as the driver, the other half of the > > time it doesn't work at all. NO acceleration, so even when > working, > > it's choppy and slow. > > > > I affectionately call ours "CRAPIOS" -- which at least makes me > > smile. > > ;o) > > > > -Shawn > > -- > > Shawn Powers > > Technology Director > > Inland Lakes Schools > > PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 > > FAX: 509-356-7024 > > spowers at inlandlakes.org > > http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org > > > > ---- The views, > > opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, > > poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation > ideas, OS > > preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or > anything else > > I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. > Pretty much > > everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be > > considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From haysja at sages.us Tue Apr 19 19:24:12 2005 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 14:24:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] thin clients In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42655ADC.6020502@sages.us> I would think that the video on the thin client machines would be every bit as good as the video using a PC as a thin client if configured correctly. There is a school near here that uses terminals (Wyse) and the video is quote acceptable for them. If you are mixing terminals and PCs, you must take steps in your lts.conf and dhcp.conf files to make sure that the appropriate IP numbers are assigned to the correct hardware and that the correct video drivers are used. John Arends wrote: >This is interesting...I was looking forward to using something like that, but now I may rethink it. > >What PCs do you guys use? Any random ones you can get your hands on, or have you standardized on something? I want to try setting up 10 terminals and a server as a test, but cost is a huge factor. > > > >>>>wparrott at gcps1.com 04/19/05 12:23 PM >>> >>>> >>>> >Shawn, > >Thanks for the tip! :) I knew that there was something too good to be >true about them... > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com >>[mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Powers >>Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 12:45 PM >>To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >>Subject: Re: [K12OSN] thin clients >> >>On Apr 19, 2005, at 12:25 PM, William Parrott wrote: >> >> >>>planning to evaluate the Neoware Capio One (under $250 w/o monitor) >>> >>> >>Let me save you time -- the video is HORRIBLE on those >>devices. It works half the time with vesa as the driver, the >>other half of the time it doesn't work at all. NO >>acceleration, so even when working, it's choppy and slow. >> >>I affectionately call ours "CRAPIOS" -- which at least makes >>me smile. >> ;o) >> >>-Shawn >>-- >>Shawn Powers >>Technology Director >>Inland Lakes Schools >>PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 >>FAX: 509-356-7024 >>spowers at inlandlakes.org >>http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org >> >>---- The >>views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic >>whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future >>plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular >>insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer >>are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much >>everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should >>be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From haysja at sages.us Tue Apr 19 19:27:15 2005 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 14:27:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] thin clients In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42655B93.8040004@sages.us> I use the Amptron Book PCs as thin clients booting from the network. They make good thin clients - as long as the power supplies hold out. :) William Parrott wrote: >Hi John, > >We aren't using it in production yet. We are testing as well. I'm >currently supporting over 1200 PC's and 36 servers in a Windows 2003 >network. I was looking to the K12LTSP project as a way to run some >legacy Windows apps (using emulation) on thin-client devices. The goal >for us is to do away with desktop PC's in labs where a thin-client can >do the job. To ease the cost of transition from PC to thin-client >devices we are looking to leverage several white-box PC's we purchased >over the last 8 years. Most of them are "book-pc's", made by a few >different manufacturer's but Amptron comes to mind. They are PIII >Celeron-based with 128MB of RAM, 20Gig HDD, and CD-ROM. > >Hope this helps, > >William > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com >>[mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of John Arends >>Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 2:48 PM >>To: k12osn at redhat.com >>Subject: RE: [K12OSN] thin clients >> >>This is interesting...I was looking forward to using >>something like that, but now I may rethink it. >> >>What PCs do you guys use? Any random ones you can get your >>hands on, or have you standardized on something? I want to >>try setting up 10 terminals and a server as a test, but cost >>is a huge factor. >> >> >> >>>>>wparrott at gcps1.com 04/19/05 12:23 PM >>> >>>>> >>>>> >>Shawn, >> >>Thanks for the tip! :) I knew that there was something too >>good to be true about them... >> >> >> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com >>>[mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Powers >>>Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 12:45 PM >>>To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >>>Subject: Re: [K12OSN] thin clients >>> >>>On Apr 19, 2005, at 12:25 PM, William Parrott wrote: >>> >>> >>>>planning to evaluate the Neoware Capio One (under $250 >>>> >>>> >>w/o monitor) >> >> >>>Let me save you time -- the video is HORRIBLE on those devices. It >>>works half the time with vesa as the driver, the other half of the >>>time it doesn't work at all. NO acceleration, so even when >>> >>> >>working, >> >> >>>it's choppy and slow. >>> >>>I affectionately call ours "CRAPIOS" -- which at least makes me >>>smile. >>> ;o) >>> >>>-Shawn >>>-- >>>Shawn Powers >>>Technology Director >>>Inland Lakes Schools >>>PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 >>>FAX: 509-356-7024 >>>spowers at inlandlakes.org >>>http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org >>> >>>---- The views, >>>opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, >>>poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation >>> >>> >>ideas, OS >> >> >>>preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or >>> >>> >>anything else >> >> >>>I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. >>> >>> >>Pretty much >> >> >>>everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be >>>considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From odonovan at bsd.sk.ca Tue Apr 19 20:07:25 2005 From: odonovan at bsd.sk.ca (Owen O Donovan) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 15:07:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Tuning In-Reply-To: <200504191603.j3JG3eFb007492@sv1.mountainlake.k12.mn.us> References: <200504191603.j3JG3eFb007492@sv1.mountainlake.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <20050419193933.M21088@bsd.sk.ca> Have you tried using iostat? You can find it in the sysstat rpm. iostat gives you really great, humanly understandable, data on your disk subsys. My reading from your description is that a single drive isn't adequate to keep up with the demands. iostat should show that. We run up to 60 (usu.30) concurrent smb sessions, about 10 - 20 afpd and between 100 and 200 nfs sessions concurrently on 866MHz PIII machines w 512MB RAM. The big difference is that we run software raid 5 for home across 4 or 5 disks. The sw RAID adds some CPU load peaking to 10-15% --easily managed by the generally low CPU demands on a file server. I'd suggest another disk or two and sw RAID /home across the bunch. Owen O'Donovan Technology Coordinator Battlefords School Division -- Open WebMail Project (http://openwebmail.org) ---------- Original Message ----------- From: linuxk12 at mountainlake.k12.mn.us To: k12osn at redhat.com Sent: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 11:03:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Tuning > I have a server that is getting bogged down and am wondering how I > can tune it for better performance. > > Initially when I noticed response times slowing, I used "top" to > see what was going on. When load averages are over 3.0, > sometimes 5.0 and greater, response time is very poor. At the > same time, top reported that the processor was 90% idle or better. > > That led me wonder if there was an i/o bottleneck with the processor > idling while waiting for disk accesses to be completed. I don't know > how to check for that. > > More recently I discovered "vmstat" and have been using that to monitor > what is going on. Swapping doesn't appear to be a major problem > ("si" and "so" are usually at zero), so more memory wouldn't help me > with respect to swapping. Would more memory help for some other reason? > > What vmstat did show is that context switching is getting out of hand > during the times when the server appears overloaded. Typically the > "cs" numbers are in the 300-500 range when things are humming along > nicely. But something will push that number into the 1000's then the > 10,000's and sometimes 100,000s and the box stalls out at that point, > waiting for the backlog to clear. I typically use "vmstat 5" to > see five second data. > > So, I'm wondering if there is something I can tune to fix this. Are > there other monitoring tools I can use to show that my tuning is helping > things? Failing a tuning solution, what do I need to do to ensure that > a new server has enough power to overcome this problem? > > These are the specifics on the server. This is a Dell server running > RedHat with kernel 2.4.18-3. It is mostly a file server that > supports NFS, smb and netatalk (AppleTalk) for about 160 computers. > There are about 80 smb connections and 80 live NFS connections all > day long of which perhaps a third to half are actively transferring > data at the same time. > > The same server also acts as an ldap database (for the OSX clients) and > mail server (sendmail, spamassassin, imap). Here is a count of some > of these processes that are all running at the same time as reported > by 'ps': > > 5 identd > 5 spamd > 7 /var/openldap/libexec/slapd > 8 [kjournald] > 8 [nfsd] > 20 imapd --- this looks unusual! > 22 /usr/sbin/afpd > 36 smbd > > >From /proc/cpuinfo: > > vendor_id : GenuineIntel > cpu family : 6 > model : 11 > model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) III CPU family 1400MHz > stepping : 1 > cpu MHz : 1396.496 > cache size : 512 KB > bogomips : 2785.28 > > There are two SCSI drives formated as ext3 and the drive that sees > most of the io is mounted like this: > > /dev/sdb1 /home ext3 rw,data=writeback,usrquota 0 0 > > So obviously I am using user quotas. I don't remember what "writeback" > is doing for me. > > Initially I was looking at performance issues to see if I should upgrade > to a gigabit ether connection, but with the current performance > problems, it doesn't appear to be able to fill even a 100Mb pipe. > > Any suggestions are welcome. If I need to invest some dollars to fix > this I will, but I want to spend them wisely. > > -- > Jon Harder > Technology Coordinator > Mountain Lake Public School > Mountain Lake, Minnesota > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see ------- End of Original Message ------- From odonovan at bsd.sk.ca Tue Apr 19 20:32:45 2005 From: odonovan at bsd.sk.ca (Owen O Donovan) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 15:32:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] new win xp thin client from MS In-Reply-To: References: <200504191421.j3JELTD16712@www.mi-spot.com> <1113926634.5532.2.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <20050419201507.M48374@bsd.sk.ca> Am I failing to understand something? I can now upgrade my old beater which runs badly on Win9x/ME to run really badly on cut down XP? I've been relegating the 9X beasts (with pared down OSs) to be terminals of W2xxx terminal servers which gives them reasonabe to excellent performance. I figure this is a good state for them to stay in until they expire. Now I can spend more money to "upgrade" and get worse performance as stand alone machines. Alternatively I can continue to use the machines as terminals which gives me no advantage over what I've already got. I think the real purpose of these MSofferings is to confuse the thin client market --especially segments who do not have a clear understanding of what a real thin client is and its real advantages. The "U" in FUD. Good luck Redmond! -- Open WebMail Project (http://openwebmail.org) ---------- Original Message ----------- From: Doug Simpson To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Sent: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 11:35:09 -0500 (CDT) Subject: RE: [K12OSN] new win xp thin client from MS > On Tue, 19 Apr 2005, Les Mikesell wrote: > > > On Tue, 2005-04-19 at 09:31, Eric Brown wrote: > > > I wonder what they'll sell it for, $99 a seat? > > > > The OS license doesn't matter so much as the CAL that you also > > need. With Window 2003 server, you no longer get free CALs with > > the OS on other machines. > > And, don't the CALs expire after each year? (ie - management > nightmare in a year or two. . .!) > > > > > -- > > Les Mikesell > > les at futuresource.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see ------- End of Original Message ------- From SelzlerB at esuhsd.org Tue Apr 19 20:50:34 2005 From: SelzlerB at esuhsd.org (Selzler, Bruce) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 13:50:34 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] More on SchoolBell Message-ID: <0F900389C3BCBF4D98226694DBE963F20A723FFC@ECMAIL1.esuhsd.org> Selzler, Bruce wrote: > Hello Team, > I have two questions. First, I just updated a LTSP server via yum so that I can > boot iMacs from the server. On the test iMac, its one of the blue bondi's, it > actually starts to boot then comes up with the following error; > ERROR! Failed to mount the root directory via NFS! > I'm assuming this is whats keeping the system from booting altogether. However > it appears that NFS is running correctly. Any ideas? Make sure that the ppc directory is exported. You should see a line like this in /etc/exports: /opt/ltsp/ppc 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(ro,no_root_squash,sync) If you don't see a "/opt/ltsp/ppc" line, you can either add that line by hand or run (if you have a stock install) /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/setup-update.sh Afterwards, run: exportfs -a That should do it. [Selzler, Bruce] This worked great! Thank you. The line was already in the file so I'm not understanding why it didn't work in the first place, but running "exportfs -a" solved the problem. Thanks. [Selzler, Bruce] > Second, I have another server, which happens to be identical to the one justdiscussed, that I updated so I can work with the schoolbell program. Whileschoolbell was installed and works on the first server, it does not on thesecond server. And, as I said, these are identical servers and configurations. > Any ideas? What does the logs say? /var/log/schoolbell [Selzler, Bruce] The problem is that there is no schoolbell log. Even though Yum is reporting that its installed. Any ideas? [Selzler, Bruce] From les at futuresource.com Tue Apr 19 21:04:37 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 16:04:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Tuning In-Reply-To: <20050419193933.M21088@bsd.sk.ca> References: <200504191603.j3JG3eFb007492@sv1.mountainlake.k12.mn.us> <20050419193933.M21088@bsd.sk.ca> Message-ID: <1113944677.5532.22.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-04-19 at 15:07, Owen O Donovan wrote: > My reading from your description is that a single drive isn't adequate to > keep up with the demands. iostat should show that. I'm not sure that explains the high load average. Only processes that are runnable (i.e. not waiting on I/O) should be counted there. The IMAP server may be part of the problem. If you have users with lots of messages stored on the server you might want to switch to Cyrus or at least make sure you have the current Dovecot server. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Apr 20 00:04:23 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 17:04:23 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] thin clients In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42659C87.2040404@paasda.org> I demo'd a Neoware Capio One...but I like the Affirmative YeStation Mini better =) much smaller and mounts to the back of LCD monitors that have the 'vesa'(I think this is what it's called) mount. Nothing wrong with the Capio One...just the mini looks better(cuz you can't see it at all behind the monitor =) --Huck William Parrott wrote: > We've used a Wyse 9235 (booting from PXE, not the WinXPe OS) terminals > in a testing-only lab. It's still a rather expensive way to go (about > $400 w/o monitor). If your environment doesn't require removable storage > for end-users it is very reliable and easy to service platform. I am > planning to evaluate the Neoware Capio One (under $250 w/o monitor) as a > possible alternative to the Wyse terminals. Wyse makes a sub-$300 > terminal (1200 series) but I believe they only support Citrix ICA/MS RDP > (no PXE). > > I'm now working on getting some old Amptron 'BookPC'(BKE630) computers > to boot from the network. They have RPL boot support but no PXE support. > Has anyone from the list been able to successfully boot from an > RPL-based network client or with one of these 'Book-PC's'? > > > >>John Arends wrote: >> >>Have any of you tried using thin clients boxes from wyse >>or another >>company instead of old PCs as your thin clients? > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Apr 20 00:05:48 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 17:05:48 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] thin clients In-Reply-To: <9495d6f03bb7ec0c09649bd8bbaa8dcb@inlandlakes.org> References: <9495d6f03bb7ec0c09649bd8bbaa8dcb@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <42659CDC.8020608@paasda.org> did you contact them and get their driver? it is likely an SIS chipset...and if so let me know and I'll send you the good SIS drive..the one bundled with K12LTSP crapped out for me. --Huck Shawn Powers wrote: > On Apr 19, 2005, at 12:25 PM, William Parrott wrote: > >> planning to evaluate the Neoware Capio One (under $250 w/o monitor) > > > Let me save you time -- the video is HORRIBLE on those devices. It > works half the time with vesa as the driver, the other half of the time > it doesn't work at all. NO acceleration, so even when working, it's > choppy and slow. > > I affectionately call ours "CRAPIOS" -- which at least makes me smile. > ;o) > > -Shawn > -- > Shawn Powers > Technology Director > Inland Lakes Schools > PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 > FAX: 509-356-7024 > spowers at inlandlakes.org > http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org > > ---- > The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, > sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, > cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, > OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, > or anything else I might infer are not the > views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything > I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be > considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Apr 20 01:58:33 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 21:58:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] thin clients In-Reply-To: <42659CDC.8020608@paasda.org> References: <9495d6f03bb7ec0c09649bd8bbaa8dcb@inlandlakes.org> <42659CDC.8020608@paasda.org> Message-ID: <4265B749.4070303@inlandlakes.org> Huck wrote: > did you contact them and get their driver? No, they wouldn't help me because the Capio One was not designed for LTSP. It was like pulling teeth to get the super secret bios password (psst, it's "dogbites" pass it on...) so that I could get DHCP booting to work. I did not get any special SIS driver, but figured out it was some sort of SIS chipset. If you have magic files you could send me (with instructions!) that would be great. I'm glad they work for you, Huck -- but I had nothing but problems. I still have 2, and I'm using them in text mode because the video is too unpredictable. I would DEFINITELY not suggest getting them over the AWESOME HP thin clients. The extra $50 is worth every penny. The only think I don't like is that my HP thin client does not have USB ports on the front... Even if I get the 2 I have working, "Crapio" is too much fun to say. They'll be Crapios forever. ehehheeh -Shawn From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Wed Apr 20 01:52:18 2005 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 09:52:18 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] yum OR apt - which? Message-ID: <1113961938.5435.186.camel@localhost.localdomain> A quick straw poll with perhaps a weighted vote given to THE MAN (ie, Eric) if he has the time to chip in an opinion :-). Which works best overall: apt or yum and what are the pros and cons? (If this subject is "wiki-fied", forgive my laziness and tell me that it's all been documented already ;-).) MY VIEW: I've always favoured apt in the past, particularly after I discovered synaptic. I mostly use that to browse packages graphically, but I'd rather do the deed of updating and upgrading via a terminal. Having been sold on apt by this list in the distant past, I have been surprised to see Eric mostly refer to yum updates lately and almost never apt. Thinking "he knows best" (well, who would if not Eric?) I started exploring yum's capabilities instead. I didn't like it at first, but now it's growing on me and helping me avoid apt's tendency to want to remove some packages each update. That's a big minus for apt - perhaps driven by repository madness (I've alternately added and removed certain repos to get some wanted packages not in the stock repos). However, I find some big minuses with yum, such as it being a chore on dialup because it goes through such protracted preparations just to end up telling me that package "xxx" is not listed, or that there are no upgrades for "yyy". Then there is the yum daily cron update (I deleted it) that was chewing up precious bandwidth without actually seeming to speed up yum's updates when I manually invoked them. I could go on, but I want to hear of the experiences and opinion of other "frontliners" on my personal apt vs yum dilemma. Thanks. -- Regards, Gavin Chester From jim at rossberry.com Wed Apr 20 02:26:17 2005 From: jim at rossberry.com (Jim Wildman) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 22:26:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Server Tuning In-Reply-To: <200504191603.j3JG3eFb007492@sv1.mountainlake.k12.mn.us> References: <200504191603.j3JG3eFb007492@sv1.mountainlake.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 linuxk12 at mountainlake.k12.mn.us wrote: > The same server also acts as an ldap database (for the OSX clients) and > mail server (sendmail, spamassassin, imap). Here is a count of some > of these processes that are all running at the same time as reported > by 'ps': > I would try to move the spamassassin off the box. It is running alot of string based comparisons. I've seen it really bog some boxes down, especially if a large file (spam) gets sent to a group of your users at once. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jim Wildman, CISSP, RHCE jim at rossberry.com http://www.rossberry.com "Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one." Thomas Paine From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Apr 20 03:59:13 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 20:59:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] (final) pre-release ISOs ready for testing Message-ID: Barring the discovery of a show-stopping bug, this is it. I intend to release these ISOs as the official 4.2.1 release on Thursday. ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.1/iso/ rsync -Pave ssh k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-pre/* . -Eric From wparrott at gcps1.com Wed Apr 20 06:11:57 2005 From: wparrott at gcps1.com (William Parrott) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 02:11:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] new win xp thin client from MS Message-ID: Hi Owen, I share your frustration with MS and the hardware requirements they have 'imposed' to use the latest offerings. While the details are few, the features posted on http://bink.nu/Article3812.bink give hints at how this 'thin' version of XP may help me continue to use hardware I can't afford to replace. > Am I failing to understand something? I can now upgrade my > old beater which runs badly on Win9x/ME to run really badly > on cut down XP? If I can replace the unmanageable Windows 9x client with a Windows XP-based client that I can manage using existing tools without replacing the hardware I will take a long, hard look at it. Based on the specifications listed in the article the OS will run on just about any 5-10 year old PC (provided that it meets the 64mb RAM requirement). How well it performs is anyone's guess at this point. > I've been relegating the 9X beasts (with pared down OSs) to > be terminals of W2xxx terminal servers which gives them > reasonabe to excellent performance. I figure this is a good > state for them to stay in until they expire. I looked at TS on Windows 2000 a few years ago but found that the 256 color limit, lack of sound support, and poor video performance prohibited me from using it in the instructional environment. The updated TS component in Windows XP and Windows 2003 Server resolved the color and sound deficiencies but video performance is still poor compared to a standard PC. For this new OS to be a viable alternative it must be able to run web and multimedia content better than any thin solution available currently. > I think the real purpose of these MSofferings is to confuse > the thin client market --especially segments who do not have > a clear understanding of what a real thin client is and its > real advantages. The "U" in FUD. While I respect your opinion, I disagree. I think MS realized that academic institutions cannot replace hardware at the same rates as the business community. This new OS may be a way to allow me to continue to offer students affordable access to the software (i.e.. Windows XP/Office) they will be required to use in collage and eventually the workplace, provided they keep the cost low. Regards, William From johnny at msad41.us Wed Apr 20 12:04:34 2005 From: johnny at msad41.us (John T. Leonard) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 08:04:34 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] batch adding users Message-ID: <1113998674.4266455272892@www.msad41.us> I've just finished a fresh install of 4.2.1 and I want to add a new list of users which I took from our SISystem....it's a plain text list in a 'lastname, firstname' format....what I would like to do is add them with either a random or generic password, make them change it at the first login attempt, and require at least 6 characters that don't contain their name or username....can someone tell me or point me to a 'how to' or script to do this...this is new for me so I'll definately need some good documentation ;-( TIA, John..... John T. Leonard Technology Coordinator MSAD No. 41 Penquis Valley HS/MS 48 Penquis Drive Milo, Maine 04463 Ph:207-943-7346 Ext.211 Ph:207-943-5332 Fax:207-943-0962 From linuxsys at davisny.edu Wed Apr 20 13:15:16 2005 From: linuxsys at davisny.edu (Calvin Park) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 09:15:16 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN]usb/pen/thunbdrives& floppy access>this works! In-Reply-To: <33549.82.226.204.170.1113936335.squirrel@82.226.204.170> References: <001a01c54467$595b8ee0$01fea8c0@brcHOST> <33549.82.226.204.170.1113936335.squirrel@82.226.204.170> Message-ID: <1114002916.27351.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> I believe it is possible to access multiple USB pendrives if you setup multiple /dev/sdx entries, for instance instead of only /dev/sda1 also setup /dev/sdb1, and so on. This allows multiple USB pendrives to be plugged in during the same session. Of course each sdX entry needs a different name. I don't use Mtools to access our floppies, CDROMs or USB drives here. I use a different method. Though the method I use does have some issues and is far more complicated to setup. Also, do you need to reboot the entire terminal, or just have the user log off in order to use a second USB drive? Anyway, just my two cents. -Calvin On Tue, 2005-04-19 at 20:45 +0200, Zouhir.Hafidi at math.univ-lille1.fr wrote: > > Eric,, > > > > I have tryed this setup on several thin clients and 4 servers ,like I > > said and works without a hitch. > > > > Get ya a terminal with a floppy, & usb ports that are detected > > ,correctly during bootup, and you can see that it does work. > I confirm ;-) > > > BTW : I think > > the usb/pendrive has to be inserted in the terminal before you boot the > > terminal. > No, you haven't to insert the usb key before booting the terminal. > > You can insert a same USB key as many time as you want but if you insert > another key, it will not be accessed until you reboot the terminal as I > explained it in > http://math.univ-lille1.fr/~hafidi/terminal-services/authentication_and_homedirs_on_linux.html#local_drives-1 > > ZH > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Apr 20 13:40:41 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 08:40:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] batch adding users In-Reply-To: <1113998674.4266455272892@www.msad41.us> Message-ID: <001101c545ae$8b55cfd0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > I've just finished a fresh install of 4.2.1 and I want to add > a new list of users which I took from our SISystem....it's a > plain text list in a 'lastname, firstname' format....what I > would like to do is add them with either a random or generic > password, make them change it at the first login attempt, and > require at least 6 characters that don't contain their name > or username....can someone tell me or point me to a 'how to' > or script to do this...this is new for me so I'll definately > need some good documentation ;-( TIA, John..... If you're not using SAMBA/LDAP I really like the batch upload feature included in the user module of Webmin. Check it out, there are quick easy instructions explaining the layout of the file to be imported. In Open Office Calc you should be able to write some quick formulas and fill down to complete the required fields. If you don't have a value just leave it blank between colons and it should generate with the default value. create:username:passwd:uid:gid:realname:homedir:shell:min:max:warn:inact ive:expire create:username:::realname:homefolder:shell::::: Here is the description from Webmin: In create lines, if the uid field is left empty, Webmin will assign a UID automatically. If the gid field is empty, Webmin will create a new group with the same name as the user. The username, homedir and shell fields must be supplied for every user - all other fields are allowed to be empty. If the passwd field is blank, no password will be assigned for the user. If it contains just the letter x, the account will be locked. Otherwise, the text in the field will be taken as the cleartext password and encrypted. In modify lines, an empty field will be taken to mean that the corresponding user attribute is not to be modified. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From petre at maltzen.net Wed Apr 20 13:59:00 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 08:59:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] batch adding users In-Reply-To: <001101c545ae$8b55cfd0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001101c545ae$8b55cfd0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <42666024.7070301@maltzen.net> I would add the suggestion of using random passwords, since, if you use the same default password for everyone, it won't take long for some kids to figure out they can get into other folks accounts. You can use the $RANDOM variable, which will give you a different random 5-digit number every time you echo it. Petre Jim Kronebusch wrote: >>I've just finished a fresh install of 4.2.1 and I want to add >>a new list of users which I took from our SISystem....it's a >>plain text list in a 'lastname, firstname' format....what I >>would like to do is add them with either a random or generic >>password, make them change it at the first login attempt, and >>require at least 6 characters that don't contain their name >>or username....can someone tell me or point me to a 'how to' >>or script to do this...this is new for me so I'll definately >>need some good documentation ;-( TIA, John..... > > > If you're not using SAMBA/LDAP I really like the batch upload feature > included in the user module of Webmin. Check it out, there are quick > easy instructions explaining the layout of the file to be imported. In > Open Office Calc you should be able to write some quick formulas and > fill down to complete the required fields. If you don't have a value > just leave it blank between colons and it should generate with the > default value. > > > create:username:passwd:uid:gid:realname:homedir:shell:min:max:warn:inact > ive:expire > create:username:::realname:homefolder:shell::::: > > Here is the description from Webmin: > In create lines, if the uid field is left empty, Webmin will assign a > UID automatically. If the gid field is empty, Webmin will create a new > group with the same name as the user. The username, homedir and shell > fields must be supplied for every user - all other fields are allowed to > be empty. If the passwd field is blank, no password will be assigned for > the user. If it contains just the letter x, the account will be locked. > Otherwise, the text in the field will be taken as the cleartext password > and encrypted. > In modify lines, an empty field will be taken to mean that the > corresponding user attribute is not to be modified. > > From awoehler at woehler.us Wed Apr 20 15:17:08 2005 From: awoehler at woehler.us (Aaron Woehler) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 09:17:08 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Source Curriculum Site? In-Reply-To: <4262E313.5080803@magic.fr> References: <4262E313.5080803@magic.fr> Message-ID: <42667274.4070403@woehler.us> A program that I stumbled across the other day was eXe: "The Learning XHTML Editor" It allow you to easily create lessons. You can save your content as a web page or web page which can then be imported to moodle. It is being developed at by University of Auckland in New Zealand It can be found at http://exe.cfdl.auckland.ac.nz/?q This maybe a package that should be included with ltsp. I have several courses that I am giving using Moodle that I would be willing to share: Computer Programming (C/C++), Internet Programming (HTML,JavaScript, PHP,SQL), Advanced Computer Applications Office Suite, and Digital Publishing. Aaron awoehler at woehler.us ddaniels at magic.fr wrote: > Wikipedia has an open content text book section. > > I've been using moodle for awhile now and, though it's not perfect, > it's the best of all that I've tested. There is some content available > for sharing via the moodle site but not a lot. The hang up there is > that there isn't any 'publish content' feature in moodle. If > publishing content was made easier for users, then more people would > do it. I think the best way to get more curriculum into the wild is to > focus on large installed bases... like moodle. Make it easier for > users to publish and they will. > > best > Dennis > > Steve Hargadon wrote: > >> Has anyone created a website for collaboration on Open Source >> curricula for schoolteachers? Maybe something with moodle or drupal? >> >> Seems like a ready resource for classroom instructional materials >> would be a good pull to bring devoted teachers to Open Source. And >> likely a necessary step for helping expand k12ltsp into schools >> without an Open Source technical guru. >> >> If it exists, I'd like to be able to point people to it. If it >> doesn't exist, is it something others feel is worth creating? >> >> >> > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Wed Apr 20 15:36:47 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 10:36:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] new win xp thin client from MS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1114011407.25178.21.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-04-20 at 01:11, William Parrott wrote: > > I think the real purpose of these MSofferings is to confuse > > the thin client market --especially segments who do not have > > a clear understanding of what a real thin client is and its > > real advantages. The "U" in FUD. > > While I respect your opinion, I disagree. I think MS realized that > academic institutions cannot replace hardware at the same rates as the > business community. But that situation isn't new. What's new is that there is now some competition. > This new OS may be a way to allow me to continue to > offer students affordable access to the software (i.e.. Windows > XP/Office) they will be required to use in collage and eventually the > workplace, provided they keep the cost low. What do you expect it to do that you can't do with Linux/rdesktop or couldn't have done with Citrix years ago? And what college requires XP/Office? -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From linuxsys at davisny.edu Wed Apr 20 15:48:31 2005 From: linuxsys at davisny.edu (Calvin Park) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 11:48:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] new win xp thin client from MS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1114012111.27351.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> > > I think the real purpose of these MSofferings is to confuse > > the thin client market --especially segments who do not have > > a clear understanding of what a real thin client is and its > > real advantages. The "U" in FUD. > > While I respect your opinion, I disagree. I think MS realized that > academic institutions cannot replace hardware at the same rates as the > business community. This new OS may be a way to allow me to continue to > offer students affordable access to the software (i.e.. Windows > XP/Office) they will be required to use in collage and eventually the > workplace, provided they keep the cost low. > Just a slight correction, not all colleges even use Windows XP/Office. I work in the IT department at a small college and we run K12LTSP with OO.o, and I know we aren't the only one. -Calvin From tom.hoffman at gmail.com Wed Apr 20 15:57:21 2005 From: tom.hoffman at gmail.com (Tom Hoffman) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 11:57:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] More on SchoolBell In-Reply-To: <0F900389C3BCBF4D98226694DBE963F20A723FFC@ECMAIL1.esuhsd.org> References: <0F900389C3BCBF4D98226694DBE963F20A723FFC@ECMAIL1.esuhsd.org> Message-ID: <92de6c88050420085746785b86@mail.gmail.com> On 4/19/05, Selzler, Bruce wrote: > > Second, I have another server, which happens to be identical to the > one justdiscussed, that I updated so I can work with the schoolbell > program. Whileschoolbell was installed and works on the first server, > it does not on thesecond server. And, as I said, these are identical > servers and configurations. > > Any ideas? > > What does the logs say? /var/log/schoolbell > > [Selzler, Bruce] > The problem is that there is no schoolbell log. Even though Yum is > reporting that its installed. Any ideas? > [Selzler, Bruce] Is anything being installed for SchoolBell on the second server? --Tom From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Wed Apr 20 15:58:14 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 08:58:14 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] new win xp thin client from MS In-Reply-To: <1114011407.25178.21.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1114011407.25178.21.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: I'm thinking about the schools that I work with, and none of them have the funds to pay for this as a solution. 1. Workstation OS (cost unknown) 2. Terminal Services CALs 3. User CALs 4. Hardware required for a MS server. Yes, you are re-using hardware, which is good, but that won't save a whole lot of money in the big picture, I don't think. I think it is a smart move by Microsoft, but I wonder how much it will actually impact the adoption of LTSP. If anything, it might enhance the visibility of thin client computing in schools and actually benefit the LTSP community. -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Wed Apr 20 16:02:58 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 09:02:58 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] batch adding users In-Reply-To: <42666024.7070301@maltzen.net> References: <001101c545ae$8b55cfd0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> <42666024.7070301@maltzen.net> Message-ID: I love the webmin batch import, but every time I do it, I notice that the added users don't show up in the Fedora User Manager. Anyone else experienced that? From aslansreturn at yahoo.com Wed Apr 20 17:04:16 2005 From: aslansreturn at yahoo.com (richard ingalls) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 10:04:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] copied /home directory to new server ... lost icons, file manager, etc. Message-ID: <20050420170416.70581.qmail@web52906.mail.yahoo.com> I did a new install of FC3 on my old RH8 /home server... then when I put the /home directories back on it, icons are gone, file manager gone, etc. Why? 1) I mounted the old RH8 /home directory and copied it to a different machine. 2) I installed FC3 (new install) on the old RH8 machine 3) I copied the old /home directories back onto this machine 4) This machine serves the /home directories out to several other machines 5) Now when any user attempts to login at any other Terminal-server classroom, they get a blank screen 6) The default WM was IceWM with nautilus What's going on? More important, how do I fix this? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From wparrott at gcps1.com Wed Apr 20 18:14:30 2005 From: wparrott at gcps1.com (William Parrott) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 14:14:30 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] new win xp thin client from MS Message-ID: Hi Calvin, Thanks for the comment. You are right. I misstated my position by stating that colleges and businesses required Windows/Office. But how many schools (K-12, 2 or 4-year college) use Linux, or any other OS, compared to the number that use MS platforms? How many employers ask during interviews if you are familiar with Linux compared to the number that ask if you familiar with Windows and/or Office? I don't know the numbers but based on my own experience (admittedly limited) local colleges and universities use Windows almost exclusively and businesses (small/medium) use Windows predominately. > Just a slight correction, not all colleges even use Windows > XP/Office. I work in the IT department at a small college and > we run K12LTSP with OO.o, and I know we aren't the only one. > > -Calvin > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From joseph.bishay at gmail.com Wed Apr 20 18:15:32 2005 From: joseph.bishay at gmail.com (The Prof) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 14:15:32 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Given this situation, why bother continue with LTSP? Message-ID: Hello, How is everyone doing? I have, for the past 1.5 years, been running a small k12ltsp lab (12 machines plus server) in our church and affiliated school. During this time I have, thanks to many people here and on IRC, been able to have a nearly fully-functional lab up and running with minimal problems. There have been issues of course (not all clients have sound for example) but given the requirements for a small elementary school, things have worked out great. Now, the major problem with the lab is the mentality that this is not Windows. And it has been a huge hurdle. Parents stressed that their children will be at a disadvantage at high school and beyond. Staff and admin members of the church who are turned off from the system because it doesn't "look & feel" like Windows (currently running Gnome because we have the bandwidth) and everything from Open Office to Xpdf, while still functionally the same, gives them an uncomfortable feeling. Many would rather use an old Pentium 2 with Windows 98 than use the K12ltsp lab. And so on. Whenever I am faced with these people and their negative comments, I can usually sway them to look at the benefits by citing the costs saved by using LTSP vs. having to go upgrade all our Pentium 1 machines we are using as clients and buying all the XP licenses and Office XP licenses and the MS Server 2003 licenses. Once I tally up all the costs of that, and compare it to the costs of the LTSP, they do understand, but it is always a "too bad for that" sort of comment and "hopefully in the future we can afford a real lab" attitude. Arguments like viruses, security, spyware, centralized updates, and so on are ineffective because, as end-users and not admins, they do not care about that - off their radar. Now, a new situation has arisen. A member of our congregation can provide us with nearly-new pentium 4 machines (our LTSP clients are Pentium 1s) and all the necessary Microsoft software (XP, Office, and server 2003) legally and at next to no cost for us. He has done it with other organisations like ours and they've loved it. He has offered to do the same for us. Given that the major driving force which helped me discover LTSP was the ability to afford Windows, with that roadblock gone, what reason is there not to go with Windows? Thank you. Joseph From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Wed Apr 20 18:18:19 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 11:18:19 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Simple User Hacks - 4.2 installs of Acrobat and Flash Message-ID: These are simple user hacks for the additional software installs of Acrobat and Flash for K12 4.2.0. Don't know if they've been solved in future versions, but just in case anyone else runs into them here's how I've solved them (in my simplistic way, I am sure). In the "Install additional software" on the desktop, the "Get Acrobat Reader" and the "Get Flash" installers haven't worked for me for some time. For Acrobat, I go to the Synaptic package manager, update the list, then search for "acro" and set acroread and acroread-plugin to update. Then hit apply. For Flash, I got to a flash-enabled site (in my case, I have a daughter, so I go to barbie.com!). Download and extract the files, see the readme for install instructions (can't be done from the gui). Steve -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Wed Apr 20 18:24:02 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 11:24:02 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Given this situation, why bother continue with LTSP? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Given that the major driving force which helped me discover LTSP was > the ability to afford Windows, with that roadblock gone, what reason > is there not to go with Windows? Well, certainly you face the continued virus/spyware issues and maintenance associated with that. And later upgrade and license fees. Could you run both Windows and LTSP? -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct From gentgeen at linuxmail.org Wed Apr 20 18:52:20 2005 From: gentgeen at linuxmail.org (Kevin Squire) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 14:52:20 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Given this situation, why bother continue with LTSP? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050420145220.27d3df8e@linuxbox> My BIG question would be the upgrade costs -- in 5 years will these person be willing to buy all new machines? What about the NEW cost of installing Windows? -- Do they pay you to maintain the lab? Do you have a dual roll? Because now you will have to spend more time away from your current work schedule to maintain that lap, therefore work longer hours, therefore need paid more. As another note, it drives me nuts, as an educator, when I hear people say that "my child will be at a disadvantage cause he/she is not learning Windows" UGH, what a stupid arguement. In High School I took a computer course, and a "college writing" course. The computer course was designed COMPLETELY around Window 3.1 and DOS. The college Writing course include a HUGE amount of time teaching WordPerfect 5.1 I college I took a course called "DOS, Windows, and The Internet", I was designed as a "intro" course on how to use the computer. It was based on using DOS (as the name), Windows 3.11, and Gopher, the Internet as we know it (www) was just 1 chapter in this HUGE book, and not even covered in class. -- I don't use any of these anymore, and the same goes for their child. I am sure this goes for many of the people on this list. How many of you accually were "schooled" with your current computer system??????? Ask the parents that question. Ask any teacher in your school that question. Are they at a disavantage? or did they adapt their old knowledge to the new paradim? We need to teach child HOW TO USE A COMPUTER -- not HOW TO USE . Ask the parent/teachers that answered yes to the first question, "What if you WERE tought how to use instead of , do you think you would still be at a disavantage?" If they PROGRAM>honest with you and themselves, I'm sure you will get the answer PROGRAM>you want to hear. I want my child to learn how to use a word processor, not how to use Word -- I want my child to learn how to search the internet for VALID information, not how to use Internet Explorer. I want my child to learn how to move/copy/delete/backup files and WHY, not just how to do it in Windows XP. I certainly do not want my childs actions to be followed by some spyware crap, or have her browser hi-jacked by some horrible web site, and have her sent to some XXX-site. Sorry, my rant is over now :-) I know you have an up-hill fight on your hands, know that you are not alone, even when you feel like you are. As a side note, why not use maybe IceWM and ROX-Filer, or KDE, or adjust GNOME -- make things a little more "Windows Friendly". You can even find a number of themes out there that will give you the ugly green button and such. Might take off some of the heat. I have spent a lot of time making Linux Desktops "Windows Friendly" so feel free to ask for input. On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 11:24:02 -0700 Steve Hargadon wrote: > > Given that the major driving force which helped me discover LTSP was > > the ability to afford Windows, with that roadblock gone, what reason > > is there not to go with Windows? > > Well, certainly you face the continued virus/spyware issues and > maintenance associated with that. And later upgrade and license fees. > > Could you run both Windows and LTSP? > > > -- > Steve Hargadon > 916-899-1400 direct > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- From hick518 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 20 19:04:32 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 12:04:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Given this situation, why bother continue with LTSP? In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050420190432.84884.qmail@web41627.mail.yahoo.com> Could this member of the congregation be convinced to donate something other than Windows machines? Point out that you can have an operating system for free, and that instead of 5 P4's and 5 seats of Windows XP, you would prefer 6 P4's. You should try to take advantage of this guy's generosity and be careful not to hurt any feelings. Teach him a little bit about linux and maybe he'll see things your way. One thing that is irritating to most people I know is Microsoft's forced upgrades of Office versions. As soon as somebody you work with starts using the newest version of Office, you need to upgrade your software in order to read his stuff. Besides the arguments already stated by other posters here, I would mention this to people who need to be convinced that MS is not the answer. -Rob --- The Prof wrote: > Hello, > > How is everyone doing? > > I have, for the past 1.5 years, been running a small > k12ltsp lab (12 > machines plus server) in our church and affiliated > school. During > this time I have, thanks to many people here and on > IRC, been able to > have a nearly fully-functional lab up and running > with minimal > problems. There have been issues of course (not all > clients have > sound for example) but given the requirements for a > small elementary > school, things have worked out great. > > Now, the major problem with the lab is the mentality > that this is not > Windows. And it has been a huge hurdle. Parents > stressed that their > children will be at a disadvantage at high school > and beyond. Staff > and admin members of the church who are turned off > from the system > because it doesn't "look & feel" like Windows > (currently running Gnome > because we have the bandwidth) and everything from > Open Office to > Xpdf, while still functionally the same, gives them > an uncomfortable > feeling. Many would rather use an old Pentium 2 with > Windows 98 than > use the K12ltsp lab. And so on. > > Whenever I am faced with these people and their > negative comments, I > can usually sway them to look at the benefits by > citing the costs > saved by using LTSP vs. having to go upgrade all our > Pentium 1 > machines we are using as clients and buying all the > XP licenses and > Office XP licenses and the MS Server 2003 licenses. > Once I tally up > all the costs of that, and compare it to the costs > of the LTSP, they > do understand, but it is always a "too bad for that" > sort of comment > and "hopefully in the future we can afford a real > lab" attitude. > Arguments like viruses, security, spyware, > centralized updates, and so > on are ineffective because, as end-users and not > admins, they do not > care about that - off their radar. > > Now, a new situation has arisen. A member of our > congregation can > provide us with nearly-new pentium 4 machines (our > LTSP clients are > Pentium 1s) and all the necessary Microsoft software > (XP, Office, and > server 2003) legally and at next to no cost for us. > He has done it > with other organisations like ours and they've loved > it. He has > offered to do the same for us. > > Given that the major driving force which helped me > discover LTSP was > the ability to afford Windows, with that roadblock > gone, what reason > is there not to go with Windows? > > Thank you. > Joseph > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From gentgeen at linuxmail.org Wed Apr 20 19:12:36 2005 From: gentgeen at linuxmail.org (Kevin Squire) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 15:12:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Given this situation, why bother continue with LTSP? In-Reply-To: <20050420145220.27d3df8e@linuxbox> References: <20050420145220.27d3df8e@linuxbox> Message-ID: <20050420151236.3bc3afae@linuxbox> I know it is bad taste to reply to ones own message, but I hit the send message, and realized I did not spell check. Just want to apologize for my horrible spelling. I may be an educator, but have never been good with the whole spelling thing (I'm a math guy ;-) ) I did spell check the message below :-) On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 14:52:20 -0400 Kevin Squire wrote: > My BIG question would be the upgrade costs -- > > in 5 years will this person be willing to buy all new machines? > > What about the NEW cost of installing Windows? -- Do they pay you to > maintain the lab? Do you have a dual-role? Because now you will have > to spend more time away from your current work schedule to maintain > that lap, therefore work longer hours, therefore need paid more. > > > As another note, it drives me nuts, as an educator, when I hear people > say that "my child will be at a disadvantage cause he/she is not > learning Windows" UGH, what a stupid argument. In High School I > took a computer course, and a "college writing" course. The computer > course was designed COMPLETELY around Window 3.1 and DOS. The college > Writing course include a HUGE amount of time teaching WordPerfect 5.1 > I college I took a course called "DOS, Windows, and The Internet", I > was designed as a "intro" course on how to use the computer. It was > based on using DOS (as the name), Windows 3.11, and Gopher, the > Internet as we know it(www) was just 1 chapter in this HUGE book, and > not even covered in class. -- I don't use any of these anymore, and > the same goes for their child. I am sure this goes for many of the > people on this list. How many of you actually were "schooled" with > your current computer system??????? > > Ask the parents that question. Ask any teacher in your school that > question. Are they at a disadvantage? or did they adapt their old > knowledge to the new paradigm? We need to teach child HOW TO USE A > COMPUTER -- not HOW TO USE . Ask the > parent/teachers that answered yes to the first question, "What if you > WERE taught how to use instead of BRANDED PROGRAM>, do you think you would still be at a disadvantage?" > If they are honest with you and themselves, I'm sure you will get the > answer you want to hear. > > I want my child to learn how to use a word processor, not how to use > Word -- I want my child to learn how to search the Internet for VALID > information, not how to use Internet Explorer. I want my child to > learn how to move/copy/delete/backup files and WHY, not just how to do > it in Windows XP. I certainly do not want my child's actions to be > followed by some spy-ware crap, or have her browser hi-jacked by some > horrible web site, and have her sent to some XXX-site. > > Sorry, my rant is over now :-) > > I know you have an up-hill fight on your hands, know that you are not > alone, even when you feel like you are. > > As a side note, why not use maybe IceWM and ROX-Filer, or KDE, or > adjust GNOME -- make things a little more "Windows Friendly". You can > even find a number of themes out there that will give you the ugly > green button and such. Might take off some of the heat. I have spent > a lot of time making Linux Desktops "Windows Friendly" so feel free to > ask for input. > > > > > > On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 11:24:02 -0700 > Steve Hargadon wrote: > > > > Given that the major driving force which helped me discover LTSP > > > was the ability to afford Windows, with that roadblock gone, what > > > reason is there not to go with Windows? > > > > Well, certainly you face the continued virus/spyware issues and > > maintenance associated with that. And later upgrade and license > > fees. > > > > Could you run both Windows and LTSP? > > > > > > -- > > Steve Hargadon > > 916-899-1400 direct > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- From kmeyer at blarg.net Wed Apr 20 19:14:38 2005 From: kmeyer at blarg.net (Ken Meyer) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 12:14:38 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Given this situation, why bother continue with LTSP? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It's not clear whether this is a gift from a person who is just paying the M$ price, or one who has access to surplus of some sort, or whether he has negotiated some special deal for non-profits, religious organizations, et al with M$. If he is just covering normal M$ costs, is he providing a trust fund to cover updates and maintenance for the operating system and other software? Paul Nelson has stated that he was so occupied with maintaining the Windows desktop boxes at Riverdale HS that he had to forego teaching, but that since Riverdale has been totally on K12LTSP, he can teach again. So, if you do this system pro bono, you might tell them that you aren't going to be up for providing the extra maintenance required -- on a per machine basis no less -- or if not pro bono, give them a new estimate for the contract. Just this week, I was forced to configure a Win2K desktop box. First, I had to install SP 4; then I went for updates and had to deal with 40(!) of just security update packages. The installer just hung, and since there is no progress bar or hour-glass in evidence, I just waited and waited, and then did it again (machine is 1.4 GHz with 1 GB memory and plenty of drive space). Finally had to deselect most of the pre-selected updates and do the job in about 6 iterations, with de-selection and reboots each time, in order to install them. Gratefully, this was just one machine. As far as being familiar with the O/S and the apps, by the time the kids are in college, there will be Longhorn and Office 2015 or such, and the transition from XP to them may well be just as great an effort as from OSS to Windows whatever (off course, if you are doing just trivial work, the transition is tantamount to non-existent either way). But, moreover, students of today need to be able to adapt to evolving computing environments that they will be confronted with over 50 years or so of interaction with them. They will also save a pot full of money over a lifetime if they are comfortable with open source and can avoid such revolting developments as renting M$ software, needing a broadband network to run it, and other dastardly schemes being plotted in Bill's conference room. In fact, though the community colleges here, within spitting distance of Redmond, are politically welded to Windows on the desktop (but use Linux almost exclusively in the server closets), more and more students are popping Knoppix into the machines in the labs. Ken Meyer -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of The Prof Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 11:16 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Given this situation, why bother continue with LTSP? Hello, How is everyone doing? I have, for the past 1.5 years, been running a small k12ltsp lab (12 machines plus server) in our church and affiliated school. During this time I have, thanks to many people here and on IRC, been able to have a nearly fully-functional lab up and running with minimal problems. There have been issues of course (not all clients have sound for example) but given the requirements for a small elementary school, things have worked out great. Now, the major problem with the lab is the mentality that this is not Windows. And it has been a huge hurdle. Parents stressed that their children will be at a disadvantage at high school and beyond. Staff and admin members of the church who are turned off from the system because it doesn't "look & feel" like Windows (currently running Gnome because we have the bandwidth) and everything from Open Office to Xpdf, while still functionally the same, gives them an uncomfortable feeling. Many would rather use an old Pentium 2 with Windows 98 than use the K12ltsp lab. And so on. Whenever I am faced with these people and their negative comments, I can usually sway them to look at the benefits by citing the costs saved by using LTSP vs. having to go upgrade all our Pentium 1 machines we are using as clients and buying all the XP licenses and Office XP licenses and the MS Server 2003 licenses. Once I tally up all the costs of that, and compare it to the costs of the LTSP, they do understand, but it is always a "too bad for that" sort of comment and "hopefully in the future we can afford a real lab" attitude. Arguments like viruses, security, spyware, centralized updates, and so on are ineffective because, as end-users and not admins, they do not care about that - off their radar. Now, a new situation has arisen. A member of our congregation can provide us with nearly-new pentium 4 machines (our LTSP clients are Pentium 1s) and all the necessary Microsoft software (XP, Office, and server 2003) legally and at next to no cost for us. He has done it with other organisations like ours and they've loved it. He has offered to do the same for us. Given that the major driving force that helped me discover LTSP was the ability to afford Windows, with that roadblock gone, what reason is there not to go with Windows? Thank you. Joseph _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From nbs at sonic.net Wed Apr 20 19:18:25 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 12:18:25 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Given this situation, why bother continue with LTSP? In-Reply-To: <20050420145220.27d3df8e@linuxbox> References: <20050420145220.27d3df8e@linuxbox> Message-ID: <20050420191825.GB28472@sonic.net> On Wed, Apr 20, 2005 at 02:52:20PM -0400, Kevin Squire wrote: > How many of you accually were "schooled" with your current computer > system??????? Well, speak for yourself! I'm still doing Logo on the Apple II. ;^) And my high school training in Windows 3.1 has landed me a job as a 1st-class BATch file scripter. (Sarcasm, obviously. I totally agree with you. Sheesh! I mean, within a year or two of graduating with a CS Degree, my college completely replaced their one Mac lab with Linux systems, and their other Mac lab with Mac OS X systems, which are pretty much COMPLETELY different from the old MacOS!) > I certainly do not want my childs actions to be followed by > some spyware crap, or have her browser hi-jacked by some horrible web > site, and have her sent to some XXX-site. One day I was at my local library, talking to the librarian there about Linux (our LUG meets there, and a lot of the folks at the library are pretty keen on the whole Open Source movement). As I was talking to her, some little kid came up to complain that the computer next to him kept putting up pornographic pop-up ads. (I'm not even sure anyone was USING that PC.) It's running Windows, of course. An LTSP system (or at LEAST stand-alone Linux boxes) would make perfect sense here, but sadly, it's not a decision that library can make on its own. The county is in charge. I believe they had to just turn off that computer, put an "OUT OF ORDER" sign on it, and probably wait a week for the county library IT folks to come in and fix it. Ugh. :^P -- -bill! bill at newbreedsoftware.com Tonight's Forecast: Dark. Continued darkness http://newbreedsoftware.com/ until widely scattered light in the morning. From henryhartley at westat.com Wed Apr 20 19:22:32 2005 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 15:22:32 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Given this situation, why bother continue with LTSP? Message-ID: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D1C1FAC@MAILBE2.westat.com> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Kevin Squire >> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 2:52 PM >> >> My BIG question would be the upgrade costs -- >> in 5 years will these person be willing to buy all new machines? >> I am sure this goes for many of the people on this list. How >> many of you accually were "schooled" with your current computer >> system??????? When I was in high school... In addition to how far I had to walk through the snow ;-), we (my family) bought a computer with 8k of RAM standard. We spent extra to get a second 8k. We hooked it up to a power supply, a cassette deck for storage and a small B&W TV. Man, that was livin! There were some folks at college who had Apple II computers but not me. My first "real" job was with a contractor at the National Weather Service. I must admit that what I learned in school didn't really get me ready for working with decks of punch cards and TI Silent 700 terminals, but I managed. As you say, times change and so do computers. >> I want my child to learn how to use a word processor, not how to >> use Word -- I want my child to learn how to search the internet for >> VALID information, not how to use Internet Explorer. I'd take that a step further and say I want my child to learn to do research, not just how to search the internet but hey, that's just me. Actually, if the "don't be left behind" mantra gets too strong, you might point out that more college computer science students probably use Linux than Windows. If they really want to give their child a head start, that's what they should be using. -- Henry From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Apr 20 19:31:24 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 14:31:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Given this situation, why bother continue with LTSP? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002801c545df$8a1961f0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Given that the major driving force which helped me discover > LTSP was the ability to afford Windows, with that roadblock > gone, what reason is there not to go with Windows? I'd say look at the bright side. You can sell the Windows licenses on eBay. Use the profits to buy more machines. And now that you have new fast machines you can run local installs of Linux which may work better with sound, scanners, printers, usb drives, etc that they may see as current setbacks. You can still set them to auth to your central Linux server with LDAP or something and have remote mounted home folders. This way you get free machines, the guy gets to donate stuff, everyone is happy. I suppose except for the narrow minded people who think Windows is the only way to go, but those people probably still have file cabinets full of crap, don't use calculators, use candles to light their house, and didn't want new fangled computers in the first place. The only reason they feal they are at a disadvantage is because they are. They are disabled by their fear of change. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From tlegge at rogers.com Wed Apr 20 19:29:28 2005 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 15:29:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Given this situation, why bother continue with LTSP? In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050420192928.66799.qmail@web88204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Steve Hargadon wrote: > > Given that the major driving force which helped me > discover LTSP was > > the ability to afford Windows, with that roadblock > gone, what reason > > is there not to go with Windows? > > Well, certainly you face the continued virus/spyware > issues and > maintenance associated with that. And later upgrade > and license fees. > > Could you run both Windows and LTSP? Ask for the equivalent cost for a shiny new server instead. In my opinion Windows should not be installed anywhere that does not have the resources to waste money on centralized Antivirus administration, spyware blocking etc. Unless you have significant time on your hands (and the most productive use you can make of it is fighting Spyware and Windows) you should not even think of changing. For a while I had to support 6 Windows XP machines (with up to date antivirus) and it took not less than an hour per machine to run the anti-spyware, updates for windows and antivirus. Now those 6 XP machines have become 11 LTSP terminals. I check the server once or twice a week, no problems. My arguement with respect to it not being windows is that it is about concepts. A web browser is a web browser, word processing is word processing. The application that delivers it may work a little differently but it does the same basic thing. Teach people the concepts not the application. If they understand the concept they can probably figure out how to do it on anything from a slate (personal chalk board in days of old) to a mac. Tim From henryhartley at westat.com Wed Apr 20 19:38:08 2005 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 15:38:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Given this situation, why bother continue with LTSP? Message-ID: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D1C1FAD@MAILBE2.westat.com> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bill Kendrick >> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 3:18 PM >> >> One day I was at my local library, talking to the librarian there >> about Linux (our LUG meets there, and a lot of the folks at the >> library are pretty keen on the whole Open Source movement). >> >> As I was talking to her, some little kid came up to complain that >> the computer next to him kept putting up pornographic pop-up ads. >> (I'm not even sure anyone was USING that PC.) >> >> It's running Windows, of course. An LTSP system (or at LEAST >> stand-alone Linux boxes) would make perfect sense here, but sadly, >> it's not a decision that library can make on its own. The county >> is in charge. >> >> I believe they had to just turn off that computer, put an "OUT OF >> ORDER" sign on it, and probably wait a week for the county library >> IT folks to come in and fix it. Ugh. :^P I think it's been mentioned before but the Howard County (Maryland) library switched to Linux over a year ago. Brian Auger wrote a great article for the Library Journal about their experiences. http://www.libraryjournal.com/article/CA406008 You might share that with your librarian acquaintance and see if they can get anything started. -- Henry From bill at computassist.com Wed Apr 20 19:51:25 2005 From: bill at computassist.com (Bill Bardon) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 14:51:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Given this situation, why bother continue with LTSP? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050420145125.73e1c092@localhost.localdomain> On Wednesday, Apr 20 The Prof wrote: > Given that the major driving force which helped me discover LTSP was > the ability to afford Windows, with that roadblock gone, what reason > is there not to go with Windows? The key thing here, which some have touched on, is this - don't make the argument for Linux about price! Make it about licensing, make it about open formats and data ownership, make it about security. I've seen a few case where people were told how much cheaper it is to run Linux, which is true. But as soon as somebody came along and removed the MS price barrier, everyone thought, "great, now we can get our Windows back." Even Microsoft is trying this ploy with municipal governments that are thinking of switching to Linux. MS offers big discounts up front. But the costs down the line are huge. Not only in dollars, but in freedoms lost - freedom to upgrade or NOT upgrade, as you choose, on your timetable, freedom to modify the code to do what you need, freedom from viruses and spyware, freedom to access your own data however you need to. These are much more important choices than "what color is my desktop." And these are the Free Software advantages that MS will never be able to match! -- Bill Bardon COMPUTASSIST Omaha, Nebraska http://www.computassist.com From joseph.bishay at gmail.com Wed Apr 20 19:53:14 2005 From: joseph.bishay at gmail.com (The Prof) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 15:53:14 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Given this situation, why bother continue with LTSP? In-Reply-To: <20050420192928.66799.qmail@web88204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <20050420192928.66799.qmail@web88204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hello, Thank you for the prompt replies. I'd like to continue the conversation by addressing some concerns which have been raised, as well as providing some more information. In regards to the person doing the donating - the hardware must be given to a non-profit organization, and we are not allowed to re-sell the licenses. The hardware is coming from one place and it doesn't have any OS on them. The number of software licenses available is very high so we'll never run out, and it includes ALL microsoft products. I do not think there is a time-limit, so to speak, for these licenses, but I do not know. The person doing the donating wants to help us out very much, and doesn't have an agenda of any sort. He has been trained extensively as a MSCE and other microsoft-related things, so he does know it all very well, but he's not going to gain anything one way or another. In regards to the future upgrade of these donated machines - I would argue that the turn-over rate of computers in a church or elementary school is much slower than in a company - we were, until 1.5 years ago, running pentium 1 windows 98 machines on a WinNT server a little slowly, but no problem. Only reason we had to ditch that system was because our NT server died a horrible, smokey death and we wouldn't have been able to afford to upgrade all the clients to XP. I think that if we had a lab of pentium 4 machines and a dual Xenon SCSI machine as the server (that's the type of hardware he can get us) that it would last us for a long, long time. In regards to the spyware situation - doesn't microsoft now have anti-spyware software? If so, that would be included as part of the donation. For the viruses, I'd assume that we'd have to install a server-based antivirus program to take care of that, along with locking down the clients a bit. That does require more work and admin, which brings me to the next point... Administration: Currently with a linux lab I am the only one who can administer it because no one knows how or is interested in this 'new-fangled stuff'. If it was a Windows lab, that responsiblity could be spread out among at least a few people who have this ability, lightening my load. In addition, most of the admin/setup/etc. is done for free as we volunteer our time. So it isn't like we'd cost more because of the increased work to them :) Learning a word-processor vs. learning MS WORD: This is an interesting argument. Since many people are educators here, you are approaching it differently than the parents/admin staff. They are looking at it from a certain perspective. IE: I use MS at work. I use MS at home. My child in university uses MS and her prof uses MS in his lectures. My resume says that I know MS Office. Where does Linux fix in? Bank website X and company website Y say that I need to get IE to make it work. When I walk into BestBuy or open the paper I see the computers are being sold with Windows XP. So why are you forcing this non-Windows stuff on me? So what if it is less administration? Why do I care? That's the dilemma. As sad as it is to say, MANY people do not view education and school as a way to increase their child's capability of thought, but as a way to get a professional high-paying job. And I'm not about to take on the ideology of an entire culture. :) Joseph From joseph.bishay at gmail.com Wed Apr 20 19:55:52 2005 From: joseph.bishay at gmail.com (The Prof) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 15:55:52 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Given this situation, why bother continue with LTSP? In-Reply-To: References: <20050420192928.66799.qmail@web88204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: One more thing I forgot to add: We are in the design and about to start building a new church/school center on new land near to us. (I had sent an email about this before about helping design a new school.) Ideally it would be great to have the 2 building's networked together seamlessly. Does this impact each the decision one way or another? thanks, Joseph On 4/20/05, The Prof wrote: > Hello, > > Thank you for the prompt replies. I'd like to continue the > conversation by addressing some concerns which have been raised, as > well as providing some more information. > > In regards to the person doing the donating - the hardware must be > given to a non-profit organization, and we are not allowed to re-sell > the licenses. The hardware is coming from one place and it doesn't > have any OS on them. The number of software licenses available is > very high so we'll never run out, and it includes ALL microsoft > products. I do not think there is a time-limit, so to speak, for > these licenses, but I do not know. The person doing the donating > wants to help us out very much, and doesn't have an agenda of any > sort. He has been trained extensively as a MSCE and other > microsoft-related things, so he does know it all very well, but he's > not going to gain anything one way or another. > > In regards to the future upgrade of these donated machines - I would > argue that the turn-over rate of computers in a church or elementary > school is much slower than in a company - we were, until 1.5 years > ago, running pentium 1 windows 98 machines on a WinNT server a little > slowly, but no problem. Only reason we had to ditch that system was > because our NT server died a horrible, smokey death and we wouldn't > have been able to afford to upgrade all the clients to XP. I think > that if we had a lab of pentium 4 machines and a dual Xenon SCSI > machine as the server (that's the type of hardware he can get us) that > it would last us for a long, long time. > > In regards to the spyware situation - doesn't microsoft now have > anti-spyware software? If so, that would be included as part of the > donation. For the viruses, I'd assume that we'd have to install a > server-based antivirus program to take care of that, along with > locking down the clients a bit. That does require more work and admin, > which brings me to the next point... > > Administration: Currently with a linux lab I am the only one who can > administer it because no one knows how or is interested in this > 'new-fangled stuff'. If it was a Windows lab, that responsiblity could > be spread out among at least a few people who have this ability, > lightening my load. In addition, most of the admin/setup/etc. is done > for free as we volunteer our time. So it isn't like we'd cost more > because of the increased work to them :) > > Learning a word-processor vs. learning MS WORD: This is an interesting > argument. Since many people are educators here, you are approaching it > differently than the parents/admin staff. They are looking at it from > a certain perspective. IE: I use MS at work. I use MS at home. My > child in university uses MS and her prof uses MS in his lectures. My > resume says that I know MS Office. Where does Linux fix in? Bank > website X and company website Y say that I need to get IE to make it > work. When I walk into BestBuy or open the paper I see the computers > are being sold with Windows XP. So why are you forcing this > non-Windows stuff on me? So what if it is less administration? Why do > I care? That's the dilemma. > > As sad as it is to say, MANY people do not view education and school > as a way to increase their child's capability of thought, but as a way > to get a professional high-paying job. And I'm not about to take on > the ideology of an entire culture. :) > > Joseph > From webmaster at vol.org Wed Apr 20 20:14:07 2005 From: webmaster at vol.org (george kocke) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 15:14:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Given this situation, why bother continue with LTSP? In-Reply-To: References: <20050420192928.66799.qmail@web88204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1114028047.23037.33.camel@tardis.london.volnet> On Wed, 2005-04-20 at 14:53, The Prof wrote: > Administration: Currently with a linux lab I am the only one who can > administer it because no one knows how or is interested in this > 'new-fangled stuff'. If it was a Windows lab, that responsiblity could > be spread out among at least a few people who have this ability, > lightening my load. In addition, most of the admin/setup/etc. is done > for free as we volunteer our time. So it isn't like we'd cost more > because of the increased work to them :) This is a common argument for using only Microsoft software. I was just today arguing with a friend who works as a sysadmin at a very rich private school. Aside from simply being able to afford to be an all Microsoft shop, one of the reasons they stick with it is so that nearly anyone will be able to work on the network should something happen to him. I think that's a horrible way to think as it leads to mediocrity. That argument may have been valid 10 years ago, but not any longer. -- george kocke http://www.vol.org ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Apr 20 20:19:07 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 13:19:07 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] (final) pre-release ISOs ready for testing, try #2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4266B93B.9060002@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Eric Harrison wrote: > > Barring the discovery of a show-stopping bug, this is it. I intend to > release these ISOs as the official 4.2.1 release on Thursday. > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.1/iso/ > > rsync -Pave ssh k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-pre/* . > > > -Eric > Kudos to Steve Hargadon for catching that the firefox rpm was not signed correctly. I fixed that minor issue and included a new foomatic rpm that fixes some duplex printing issues. New ISOs are available at: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.1/iso/ rsync -Pave ssh k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-pre/* . -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Apr 20 20:36:22 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 15:36:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Ubuntu question quick - Dave? Message-ID: <000701c545e8$9d8d9cc0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> I just set up Ubuntu to try and build my first debain based server. I tried actual debian but had trouble detecting hardware (Ubuntu went without a catch). But now I can't log in as root and it never asked me for a root password. Dave I figured you would know what I am missing here being you're a current Ubuntu nut :-) Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Wed Apr 20 20:33:41 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 15:33:41 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Given this situation, why bother continue with LTSP? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Remember, though, that even though he can get it for you at low cost today, you will have to re-purchase it when the time-limited licenses he is "giving" you. Typical Microsoft "free" program. Give it to you, get it installed and get everyone dependent on it, then make you pay to keep it. . . Not a good deal in my book. . . Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Wed, 20 Apr 2005, The Prof wrote: > Hello, > > How is everyone doing? > > I have, for the past 1.5 years, been running a small k12ltsp lab (12 > machines plus server) in our church and affiliated school. During > this time I have, thanks to many people here and on IRC, been able to > have a nearly fully-functional lab up and running with minimal > problems. There have been issues of course (not all clients have > sound for example) but given the requirements for a small elementary > school, things have worked out great. > > Now, the major problem with the lab is the mentality that this is not > Windows. And it has been a huge hurdle. Parents stressed that their > children will be at a disadvantage at high school and beyond. Staff > and admin members of the church who are turned off from the system > because it doesn't "look & feel" like Windows (currently running Gnome > because we have the bandwidth) and everything from Open Office to > Xpdf, while still functionally the same, gives them an uncomfortable > feeling. Many would rather use an old Pentium 2 with Windows 98 than > use the K12ltsp lab. And so on. > > Whenever I am faced with these people and their negative comments, I > can usually sway them to look at the benefits by citing the costs > saved by using LTSP vs. having to go upgrade all our Pentium 1 > machines we are using as clients and buying all the XP licenses and > Office XP licenses and the MS Server 2003 licenses. Once I tally up > all the costs of that, and compare it to the costs of the LTSP, they > do understand, but it is always a "too bad for that" sort of comment > and "hopefully in the future we can afford a real lab" attitude. > Arguments like viruses, security, spyware, centralized updates, and so > on are ineffective because, as end-users and not admins, they do not > care about that - off their radar. > > Now, a new situation has arisen. A member of our congregation can > provide us with nearly-new pentium 4 machines (our LTSP clients are > Pentium 1s) and all the necessary Microsoft software (XP, Office, and > server 2003) legally and at next to no cost for us. He has done it > with other organisations like ours and they've loved it. He has > offered to do the same for us. > > Given that the major driving force which helped me discover LTSP was > the ability to afford Windows, with that roadblock gone, what reason > is there not to go with Windows? > > Thank you. > Joseph > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From adammelancon at gmail.com Wed Apr 20 20:35:41 2005 From: adammelancon at gmail.com (Adam Melancon) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 15:35:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Ubuntu question quick - Dave? In-Reply-To: <000701c545e8$9d8d9cc0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000701c545e8$9d8d9cc0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <48928761050420133571aff29e@mail.gmail.com> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root On 4/20/05, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I just set up Ubuntu to try and build my first debain based server. I > tried actual debian but had trouble detecting hardware (Ubuntu went > without a catch). But now I can't log in as root and it never asked me > for a root password. Dave I figured you would know what I am missing > here being you're a current Ubuntu nut :-) > > Jim Kronebusch > Cotter Tech Department > 507-453-5188 > jim at winonacotter.org > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Adam Melancon Work: http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us Personal: http://www.melancon.org From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Apr 20 20:44:07 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 15:44:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Ubuntu question quick - Dave? In-Reply-To: <48928761050420133571aff29e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000801c545e9$b2b96c40$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root Thanks! I guess I shouldn't be so lazy :-) I found it after a quick google search. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jritchie at bible.edu Wed Apr 20 20:50:21 2005 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Josiah Ritchie) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 16:50:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Given this situation, why bother continue with LTSP? In-Reply-To: <20050420145125.73e1c092@localhost.localdomain> References: <20050420145125.73e1c092@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1114030221.1280.29.camel@penguin> On Wed, 2005-04-20 at 14:51 -0500, Bill Bardon wrote: > On Wednesday, Apr 20 The Prof wrote: > > Given that the major driving force which helped me discover LTSP was > > the ability to afford Windows, with that roadblock gone, what reason > > is there not to go with Windows? > > The key thing here, which some have touched on, is this - don't make the > argument for Linux about price! Make it about licensing, make it about > open formats and data ownership, make it about security. I'll second this! Check out case studies. Show them that it isn't a sacrifice and that companies throughout the US are moving towards Linux. Toss out names like Novell, IBM, and HP. It isn't just PC companies. For musician's, Ernie Ball (guitar strings) has been without Windows for 5 years. Governments, like Germany, are transitioning large portion. China is making its own distro, Red Flag, for their government. Those are just the first in a few groups I can put together. This is not a save cash thing. It's just how it gets in the door of small organizations. Then you see what it really is. :-) You could also tell them that the unix style of computing is one of the oldest and most proven. Mac has moved to a unix like OS. It seems the only people not recognizing the *nix style superiority is MS and they are silently soaking up features. The MS commandline is getting more similar to bash each time I try a new version of Windows. Cost is a minor advantage. Administration time is a major advantage. Teaching your students flexibility is a major advantage, not only in computing. The concepts they learn on Linux can be taken to Windows easily. but now they also have a skill/experience that is somewhat unusual on top of it. If you do go with Windows, absolutely buy DeepFreeze for them. You can lock the machine down so tight and loose almost no functionality for the students. We have labs that we run the users as admins so they can do as they wish. When they walk away and the machine isn't used for 1/2 an hour it automatically reboot. Suddenly, it's like we just installed it all over again. Very impressive and time saving. You don't need to monitor the lab anymore. Others have mentioned removing the LTSP idea. I recomeend against that. This is where much of your admin time is saved, fix once for all. You will gain a lot of benefit by using the same hardware on the clients as you will be able to have one config and only need to know one set of specs. Hardware can be swapped among them. If you can get a new server out of the deal, even better. Like minded Christian Linux users: ChristianSource Free Software and Linux Users Group (CS-FSLUG) http://cs.uninetsolutions.com/ JSR/ From henryhartley at westat.com Wed Apr 20 21:02:16 2005 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 17:02:16 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] (final) pre-release ISOs ready for testing, try #2 Message-ID: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D1C1FAF@MAILBE2.westat.com> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Eric Harrison >> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 4:19 PM >> >> New ISOs are available at: >> rsync -Pave ssh k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-pre/* . Am I suppose to have a password? It seems to work without the "e ssh" but I wondered if I'm missing something. Oh, and by the way, thanks again for everything! -- Henry From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Wed Apr 20 21:07:33 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 16:07:33 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Given this situation, why bother continue with LTSP In-Reply-To: References: <20050420192928.66799.qmail@web88204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Comments are mixed in as we go along, please read on. . . On Wed, 20 Apr 2005, The Prof wrote: > Hello, > > Thank you for the prompt replies. I'd like to continue the > conversation by addressing some concerns which have been raised, as > well as providing some more information. > > In regards to the person doing the donating - the hardware must be > given to a non-profit organization, and we are not allowed to re-sell > the licenses. The hardware is coming from one place and it doesn't > have any OS on them. The number of software licenses available is > very high so we'll never run out, and it includes ALL microsoft > products. I do not think there is a time-limit, so to speak, for If you get Windows XP on the workstation and Server2003 (likely) the licenses expire after two years. > these licenses, but I do not know. The person doing the donating > wants to help us out very much, and doesn't have an agenda of any > sort. He has been trained extensively as a MSCE and other Trained as a MCSE?. . . hmmm. . . that's job security for you! > microsoft-related things, so he does know it all very well, but he's > not going to gain anything one way or another. > > In regards to the future upgrade of these donated machines - I would > argue that the turn-over rate of computers in a church or elementary > school is much slower than in a company - we were, until 1.5 years > ago, running pentium 1 windows 98 machines on a WinNT server a little > slowly, but no problem. Only reason we had to ditch that system was > because our NT server died a horrible, smokey death and we wouldn't > have been able to afford to upgrade all the clients to XP. I think > that if we had a lab of pentium 4 machines and a dual Xenon SCSI > machine as the server (that's the type of hardware he can get us) that > it would last us for a long, long time. The *hardware* will last a long time. The *software* however, will expire after two years. > > In regards to the spyware situation - doesn't microsoft now have > anti-spyware software? If so, that would be included as part of the > donation. For the viruses, I'd assume that we'd have to install a > server-based antivirus program to take care of that, along with > locking down the clients a bit. That does require more work and admin, These are nearly a non-issue under OSS. . . > which brings me to the next point... > > Administration: Currently with a linux lab I am the only one who can > administer it because no one knows how or is interested in this > 'new-fangled stuff'. If it was a Windows lab, that responsiblity could > be spread out among at least a few people who have this ability, > lightening my load. In addition, most of the admin/setup/etc. is done > for free as we volunteer our time. So it isn't like we'd cost more > because of the increased work to them :) They learned Windows, they can learn linux. I did! Besides, if you use terminal services, any upgrades are done one time, on one computer and the clients automatically have the latest and greatest. > > Learning a word-processor vs. learning MS WORD: This is an interesting > argument. Since many people are educators here, you are approaching it > differently than the parents/admin staff. They are looking at it from > a certain perspective. IE: I use MS at work. I use MS at home. My > child in university uses MS and her prof uses MS in his lectures. My > resume says that I know MS Office. Where does Linux fix in? Bank This is beacuse MS has been force-fed to the masses for so long that the masses think they have to put up with the problems. As a side not to this. . . There have been several kids from this small district that graduated, went on to college, and went into comp[uter science, programming ot other fields, that come back and ask why we never taught them linux, or open-source because now that they are in colloge, in the computer classes, they use linux, primarily because it is free (they can get all the stuff at home as well as at achool for no cost) and it comes with all you need to write, compile, debug and run their own programs. Under MS, you have to buy the editors, compilers, debuggers and etc. > website X and company website Y say that I need to get IE to make it > work. When I walk into BestBuy or open the paper I see the computers > are being sold with Windows XP. So why are you forcing this > non-Windows stuff on me? So what if it is less administration? Why do > I care? That's the dilemma. If you are doing the administration for free, as a volunteer, I would think it would be very good to only have to check for updates and do minor maintenance tasks once or twice a week, on one server (clients get it automatically, remember, under terminal services. . . ) as opposed to hours *per computer* just chasing viruses, spyware and adware. Unless you live at that location, I wouldn't want that at all. > > As sad as it is to say, MANY people do not view education and school > as a way to increase their child's capability of thought, but as a way > to get a professional high-paying job. And I'm not about to take on > the ideology of an entire culture. :) Increase their capability by providing many avenues to the same destination. You can get from Chicago to L.A. by road (MS) or you can get to chicago by plane (linux) but if you are scared to death to fly, and don;t know there are other options, you will likely never make it to L.A. Doug > > Joseph > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Wed Apr 20 21:07:57 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 16:07:57 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Given this situation, why bother continue with LTSP? In-Reply-To: References: <20050420192928.66799.qmail@web88204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Nope Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Wed, 20 Apr 2005, The Prof wrote: > One more thing I forgot to add: > > We are in the design and about to start building a new church/school > center on new land near to us. (I had sent an email about this before > about helping design a new school.) Ideally it would be great to have > the 2 building's networked together seamlessly. Does this impact each > the decision one way or another? > > thanks, > Joseph > > On 4/20/05, The Prof wrote: > > Hello, > > > > Thank you for the prompt replies. I'd like to continue the > > conversation by addressing some concerns which have been raised, as > > well as providing some more information. > > > > In regards to the person doing the donating - the hardware must be > > given to a non-profit organization, and we are not allowed to re-sell > > the licenses. The hardware is coming from one place and it doesn't > > have any OS on them. The number of software licenses available is > > very high so we'll never run out, and it includes ALL microsoft > > products. I do not think there is a time-limit, so to speak, for > > these licenses, but I do not know. The person doing the donating > > wants to help us out very much, and doesn't have an agenda of any > > sort. He has been trained extensively as a MSCE and other > > microsoft-related things, so he does know it all very well, but he's > > not going to gain anything one way or another. > > > > In regards to the future upgrade of these donated machines - I would > > argue that the turn-over rate of computers in a church or elementary > > school is much slower than in a company - we were, until 1.5 years > > ago, running pentium 1 windows 98 machines on a WinNT server a little > > slowly, but no problem. Only reason we had to ditch that system was > > because our NT server died a horrible, smokey death and we wouldn't > > have been able to afford to upgrade all the clients to XP. I think > > that if we had a lab of pentium 4 machines and a dual Xenon SCSI > > machine as the server (that's the type of hardware he can get us) that > > it would last us for a long, long time. > > > > In regards to the spyware situation - doesn't microsoft now have > > anti-spyware software? If so, that would be included as part of the > > donation. For the viruses, I'd assume that we'd have to install a > > server-based antivirus program to take care of that, along with > > locking down the clients a bit. That does require more work and admin, > > which brings me to the next point... > > > > Administration: Currently with a linux lab I am the only one who can > > administer it because no one knows how or is interested in this > > 'new-fangled stuff'. If it was a Windows lab, that responsiblity could > > be spread out among at least a few people who have this ability, > > lightening my load. In addition, most of the admin/setup/etc. is done > > for free as we volunteer our time. So it isn't like we'd cost more > > because of the increased work to them :) > > > > Learning a word-processor vs. learning MS WORD: This is an interesting > > argument. Since many people are educators here, you are approaching it > > differently than the parents/admin staff. They are looking at it from > > a certain perspective. IE: I use MS at work. I use MS at home. My > > child in university uses MS and her prof uses MS in his lectures. My > > resume says that I know MS Office. Where does Linux fix in? Bank > > website X and company website Y say that I need to get IE to make it > > work. When I walk into BestBuy or open the paper I see the computers > > are being sold with Windows XP. So why are you forcing this > > non-Windows stuff on me? So what if it is less administration? Why do > > I care? That's the dilemma. > > > > As sad as it is to say, MANY people do not view education and school > > as a way to increase their child's capability of thought, but as a way > > to get a professional high-paying job. And I'm not about to take on > > the ideology of an entire culture. :) > > > > Joseph > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Wed Apr 20 21:11:33 2005 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 16:11:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Planning for Next Year Message-ID: <4266C585.3070907@honeygroveisd.net> Hello all, I'm putting together my summer to-do list and I plan to do some serious re-organization of my current server setup. I'm hoping some of those here more experience with Linux can help me out. I have a Windows NT domain with approximately 700 users on about 400 PCs. I want to move my PDC to a Samba/LDAP server and let my Win 2K/XP machines authenticate to that. I have a server I've been using as my K12LTSP server. It's a one-NIC setup supporting about 50 clients, though rarely more than 20 at any one time. It's a dual Xeon 2.4GHz with 4GB RAM and an SATA RAID array for storage. My question is this: Could this machine serve has both my K12LTSP server AND my Samba/LDAP server? Could this hardware handle the user authentication and the accompanying file management and still be an effective thin-client server? Our high school students in particular make extensive use of the network storage and frequently move large files across the network. What would be the most likely bottleneck here? Is this too much to ask of a single server? Are my specs. too meager? Would I be able to achieve seamless integration of Windows and Linux logons with this setup? Would I have to share the user directory via both Samba and NFS to do so? Any wisdom would be appreciated. -- C-ya, Mark ____ "Evian" spelled backvards is naive. From gj.kramer at planet.nl Wed Apr 20 21:12:14 2005 From: gj.kramer at planet.nl (Gustav J Kramer) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 23:12:14 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Given this situation, why bother continue with LTSP? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1114031534.30923.88.camel@server.byh.org> A number of thoughts come to mind: While the parents may be hung up on Windows I suspect the children are less so. As an experiment take a child "trained" on Open Office and ask him to write a letter in Word. That should somewhat allay the fear of skills being non-transferable. You may also want to point out that Unix and Apple are not dead and that their child would be limiting his/her employment choices in the future if they become dependant on a single OS. As far as the "look and feel" of Windows, have you pointed out that WinXP really isn't a lot like Win3.1? An "uncomfortable feeling" is a bit hard to quantify but if they can express what the problem is perhaps a solution can be found - if they can't, it sounds suspiciously like "we've always done it that way". For those who want to use Win98, let them, it will free up the thin clients for those less dependant. Tell them that an LTSP lab is a real lab and that Linux is in the real world. Shrek 2 was animated and rendered using linux; the City of Munich runs linux (~14000 desktops); it is not unusual to find linux used in missile support equipment - is that real enough? The arguments that you cite as ineffective, viruses, security, spyware, etc. might be more effective if you give them the dollar value of the added work involved if your system is compromised. Your time is worth something as well so factor in the centralized updates as well. $$$ do tends to appear on peoples radar. While it's looking like your initial acquisition will be low cost, who will fund the upgrades needed in a few years when new computers and licenses are needed to support the next generation of Windows or Office? By all means accept the new machines but use them in addition to the lab not instead of it. It makes more sense IMHO to have 16 desktops instead of 4. It will give you more seats as well as allow you to provide "cross-training" for your pupils so they aren't "disadvantaged" (or so they can make their own choices, depending on how you look at it). And, one of the biggest reasons to stick with open source - Freedom of choice, something that used to be important. Still is to some folks. - gustav On Wed, 2005-20-04 at 14:15 -0400, The Prof wrote: > Hello, > > How is everyone doing? > > I have, for the past 1.5 years, been running a small k12ltsp lab (12 > machines plus server) in our church and affiliated school. During > this time I have, thanks to many people here and on IRC, been able to > have a nearly fully-functional lab up and running with minimal > problems. There have been issues of course (not all clients have > sound for example) but given the requirements for a small elementary > school, things have worked out great. > > Now, the major problem with the lab is the mentality that this is not > Windows. And it has been a huge hurdle. Parents stressed that their > children will be at a disadvantage at high school and beyond. Staff > and admin members of the church who are turned off from the system > because it doesn't "look & feel" like Windows (currently running Gnome > because we have the bandwidth) and everything from Open Office to > Xpdf, while still functionally the same, gives them an uncomfortable > feeling. Many would rather use an old Pentium 2 with Windows 98 than > use the K12ltsp lab. And so on. > > Whenever I am faced with these people and their negative comments, I > can usually sway them to look at the benefits by citing the costs > saved by using LTSP vs. having to go upgrade all our Pentium 1 > machines we are using as clients and buying all the XP licenses and > Office XP licenses and the MS Server 2003 licenses. Once I tally up > all the costs of that, and compare it to the costs of the LTSP, they > do understand, but it is always a "too bad for that" sort of comment > and "hopefully in the future we can afford a real lab" attitude. > Arguments like viruses, security, spyware, centralized updates, and so > on are ineffective because, as end-users and not admins, they do not > care about that - off their radar. > > Now, a new situation has arisen. A member of our congregation can > provide us with nearly-new pentium 4 machines (our LTSP clients are > Pentium 1s) and all the necessary Microsoft software (XP, Office, and > server 2003) legally and at next to no cost for us. He has done it > with other organisations like ours and they've loved it. He has > offered to do the same for us. > > Given that the major driving force which helped me discover LTSP was > the ability to afford Windows, with that roadblock gone, what reason > is there not to go with Windows? > > Thank you. > Joseph > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Apr 20 21:14:42 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 14:14:42 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] (final) pre-release ISOs ready for testing, try #2 In-Reply-To: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D1C1FAF@MAILBE2.westat.com> References: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D1C1FAF@MAILBE2.westat.com> Message-ID: <4266C642.5070304@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Henry Hartley wrote: >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Eric Harrison >>>Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 4:19 PM >>> >>>New ISOs are available at: >>> rsync -Pave ssh k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-pre/* . > > > Am I suppose to have a password? It seems to work without the "e ssh" > but I wondered if I'm missing something. Oh, and by the way, thanks > again for everything! > I've ran rsync too many times today ;-) You are correct that the "e ssh" should be dropped: rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-pre/* . -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From bkovach at lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us Wed Apr 20 22:07:13 2005 From: bkovach at lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us (Brandon Kovach) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 17:07:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] thin clients -- capios In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4266D291.5080306@lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us> We have the Capio One. 94 of them. I can't remember what model that we have, but it's not the base model. I chose this model because it has more ram (64 meg) than the base model (32 meg) and when I tested it, seemed to run better although marginally. They will send you a loaner if you prod them enough. They have some wierd "P.O. for credit" kind of thing. ANyhow, I talked them into it. I demoed three different ones. Their customer service couldn't possibly be worse unless they used profanity. I haven't had one problem with any of them. > > From hick518 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 20 22:20:35 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 15:20:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Given this situation, why bother continue with LTSP? In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050420222035.89705.qmail@web41624.mail.yahoo.com> How about adding Windows Terminal Server if people in the congregation really want Windows? That way people will have their choice of what to use. You keep the thin client setup the way it is, and the users can ctrl-alt-f2 to get to the windows server. If the donor has access to it, I'd prefer to get a bunch of 19" LCD monitors to use on the thin clients. Another thought is you could accept the generous gift of all those Windows desktops, but don't get rid of the Linux ones. You maintain the Linux system and let other volunteers maintain the Windows system. See which system gets more use after a year of viruses and spyware. You're not there to dictate to the congregation what they should use, so you're gonna have to get Windows if they really can't be talked out of it. But it might be a blessing in disguise to have Windows machines sitting next to Linux machines -- you might win over a bunch of new converts. As a side note, I have been slowly transitioning my family members to linux, because I am tired of helping them scan for spyware, etc. My sister was the toughest one to convince. But the other day, my sister's friend started asking me about linux because my sister is now apparently recommending it to people! -Rob --- The Prof wrote: > Hello, > > Thank you for the prompt replies. I'd like to > continue the > conversation by addressing some concerns which have > been raised, as > well as providing some more information. > > In regards to the person doing the donating - the > hardware must be > given to a non-profit organization, and we are not > allowed to re-sell > the licenses. The hardware is coming from one place > and it doesn't > have any OS on them. The number of software > licenses available is > very high so we'll never run out, and it includes > ALL microsoft > products. I do not think there is a time-limit, so > to speak, for > these licenses, but I do not know. The person doing > the donating > wants to help us out very much, and doesn't have an > agenda of any > sort. He has been trained extensively as a MSCE and > other > microsoft-related things, so he does know it all > very well, but he's > not going to gain anything one way or another. > > In regards to the future upgrade of these donated > machines - I would > argue that the turn-over rate of computers in a > church or elementary > school is much slower than in a company - we were, > until 1.5 years > ago, running pentium 1 windows 98 machines on a > WinNT server a little > slowly, but no problem. Only reason we had to ditch > that system was > because our NT server died a horrible, smokey death > and we wouldn't > have been able to afford to upgrade all the clients > to XP. I think > that if we had a lab of pentium 4 machines and a > dual Xenon SCSI > machine as the server (that's the type of hardware > he can get us) that > it would last us for a long, long time. > > In regards to the spyware situation - doesn't > microsoft now have > anti-spyware software? If so, that would be included > as part of the > donation. For the viruses, I'd assume that we'd > have to install a > server-based antivirus program to take care of that, > along with > locking down the clients a bit. That does require > more work and admin, > which brings me to the next point... > > Administration: Currently with a linux lab I am the > only one who can > administer it because no one knows how or is > interested in this > 'new-fangled stuff'. If it was a Windows lab, that > responsiblity could > be spread out among at least a few people who have > this ability, > lightening my load. In addition, most of the > admin/setup/etc. is done > for free as we volunteer our time. So it isn't like > we'd cost more > because of the increased work to them :) > > Learning a word-processor vs. learning MS WORD: This > is an interesting > argument. Since many people are educators here, you > are approaching it > differently than the parents/admin staff. They are > looking at it from > a certain perspective. IE: I use MS at work. I use > MS at home. My > child in university uses MS and her prof uses MS in > his lectures. My > resume says that I know MS Office. Where does Linux > fix in? Bank > website X and company website Y say that I need to > get IE to make it > work. When I walk into BestBuy or open the paper I > see the computers > are being sold with Windows XP. So why are you > forcing this > non-Windows stuff on me? So what if it is less > administration? Why do > I care? That's the dilemma. > > As sad as it is to say, MANY people do not view > education and school > as a way to increase their child's capability of > thought, but as a way > to get a professional high-paying job. And I'm not > about to take on > the ideology of an entire culture. :) > > Joseph > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From luis.montes at cox.net Wed Apr 20 23:19:50 2005 From: luis.montes at cox.net (luis.montes at cox.net) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 19:19:50 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Given this situation, why bother continue with LTSP? Message-ID: <20050420231952.MACY9923.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> My decision to put my Son's school on LTSP was somewhat originally financially based. Over the last two years we've have had a couple of technology fundraisers that could have gotten us a few windows licenses. Instead, we decided to spend the money on cool new hardware. The school now has disklessworkstations.com thin clients and a whole lab full of LCD flat panels. We've also put the money into things like gigabit networking infrastructure and better server hardware. I'm not an educator, but I know that it should never under any circumstances be the responsibility of a school teacher to teach children brand loyalty. My son's school now has more than adequate facilities in the lab and classrooms to teach computing concepts like word processing, spreadsheets, internet, databases, and programming. Luis > > From: Rob Owens > Date: 2005/04/20 Wed PM 06:20:35 EDT > To: The Prof , > "Support list for opensource software in schools." > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Given this situation, why bother continue with LTSP? > > How about adding Windows Terminal Server if people in > the congregation really want Windows? That way people > will have their choice of what to use. You keep the > thin client setup the way it is, and the users can > ctrl-alt-f2 to get to the windows server. > > If the donor has access to it, I'd prefer to get a > bunch of 19" LCD monitors to use on the thin clients. > > Another thought is you could accept the generous gift > of all those Windows desktops, but don't get rid of > the Linux ones. You maintain the Linux system and let > other volunteers maintain the Windows system. See > which system gets more use after a year of viruses and > spyware. > > You're not there to dictate to the congregation what > they should use, so you're gonna have to get Windows > if they really can't be talked out of it. But it > might be a blessing in disguise to have Windows > machines sitting next to Linux machines -- you might > win over a bunch of new converts. > > As a side note, I have been slowly transitioning my > family members to linux, because I am tired of helping > them scan for spyware, etc. My sister was the > toughest one to convince. But the other day, my > sister's friend started asking me about linux because > my sister is now apparently recommending it to people! > > -Rob > > > --- The Prof wrote: > > Hello, > > > > Thank you for the prompt replies. I'd like to > > continue the > > conversation by addressing some concerns which have > > been raised, as > > well as providing some more information. > > > > In regards to the person doing the donating - the > > hardware must be > > given to a non-profit organization, and we are not > > allowed to re-sell > > the licenses. The hardware is coming from one place > > and it doesn't > > have any OS on them. The number of software > > licenses available is > > very high so we'll never run out, and it includes > > ALL microsoft > > products. I do not think there is a time-limit, so > > to speak, for > > these licenses, but I do not know. The person doing > > the donating > > wants to help us out very much, and doesn't have an > > agenda of any > > sort. He has been trained extensively as a MSCE and > > other > > microsoft-related things, so he does know it all > > very well, but he's > > not going to gain anything one way or another. > > > > In regards to the future upgrade of these donated > > machines - I would > > argue that the turn-over rate of computers in a > > church or elementary > > school is much slower than in a company - we were, > > until 1.5 years > > ago, running pentium 1 windows 98 machines on a > > WinNT server a little > > slowly, but no problem. Only reason we had to ditch > > that system was > > because our NT server died a horrible, smokey death > > and we wouldn't > > have been able to afford to upgrade all the clients > > to XP. I think > > that if we had a lab of pentium 4 machines and a > > dual Xenon SCSI > > machine as the server (that's the type of hardware > > he can get us) that > > it would last us for a long, long time. > > > > In regards to the spyware situation - doesn't > > microsoft now have > > anti-spyware software? If so, that would be included > > as part of the > > donation. For the viruses, I'd assume that we'd > > have to install a > > server-based antivirus program to take care of that, > > along with > > locking down the clients a bit. That does require > > more work and admin, > > which brings me to the next point... > > > > Administration: Currently with a linux lab I am the > > only one who can > > administer it because no one knows how or is > > interested in this > > 'new-fangled stuff'. If it was a Windows lab, that > > responsiblity could > > be spread out among at least a few people who have > > this ability, > > lightening my load. In addition, most of the > > admin/setup/etc. is done > > for free as we volunteer our time. So it isn't like > > we'd cost more > > because of the increased work to them :) > > > > Learning a word-processor vs. learning MS WORD: This > > is an interesting > > argument. Since many people are educators here, you > > are approaching it > > differently than the parents/admin staff. They are > > looking at it from > > a certain perspective. IE: I use MS at work. I use > > MS at home. My > > child in university uses MS and her prof uses MS in > > his lectures. My > > resume says that I know MS Office. Where does Linux > > fix in? Bank > > website X and company website Y say that I need to > > get IE to make it > > work. When I walk into BestBuy or open the paper I > > see the computers > > are being sold with Windows XP. So why are you > > forcing this > > non-Windows stuff on me? So what if it is less > > administration? Why do > > I care? That's the dilemma. > > > > As sad as it is to say, MANY people do not view > > education and school > > as a way to increase their child's capability of > > thought, but as a way > > to get a professional high-paying job. And I'm not > > about to take on > > the ideology of an entire culture. :) > > > > Joseph > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From accessys at smart.net Wed Apr 20 23:34:52 2005 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 19:34:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Given this situation, why bother continue with LTSP? In-Reply-To: <20050420222035.89705.qmail@web41624.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050420222035.89705.qmail@web41624.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 20 Apr 2005, Rob Owens wrote: > How about adding Windows Terminal Server if people in > the congregation really want Windows? That way people > will have their choice of what to use. You keep the > thin client setup the way it is, and the users can > ctrl-alt-f2 to get to the windows server. > > Another thought is you could accept the generous gift > of all those Windows desktops, but don't get rid of > the Linux ones. You maintain the Linux system and let > other volunteers maintain the Windows system. See > which system gets more use after a year of viruses and > spyware. that would be my option, sure get the windoze system but I won't be maintaining it, I'll just keep this old LTSP system running Bob ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Thu Apr 21 00:27:28 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 20:27:28 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Given this situation, why bother continue with LTSP (on my soap box) Message-ID: <1114043247.4257.156.camel@fedora2.thebaillies.lan> Prof, Bare with me if this ends up being rambling and not well organized. I understand your dilemma. Pardon me if I am wrong but I get the impression that you are not totally sure which direction to go. You seem sort of torn. I have been there and vacillated too at times and I always come to the same conclusion, stay the course. My informal survey indicates a 3 to 1 ratio and up of students to classroom PCs is where they become useful to the teachers. (Can you afford that with MS) Less than that and use drops off. Ask your teachers if they would rather have another lab to free up scheduling or more computers in the classrooms. My bet is they would rather have more in the classrooms. Some questions: Is there anything that needs to be done that cannot be accomplished on Linux in a reasonable manor? What is the cost of a given deployment over the next eight years? What is the goal for the schools computer use / acquisition over the next five to ten years? The beta version of OO 2.0 is very windowish as is the beta version of Acrobat Reader 7.0 and gimp 2.0 is feeling a little less foreign to our users also. We have been using k12ltsp at St. Mary's school for over 3 years in the lab (40 seats). We have been piloting it in three classrooms since January. We have 7 k12 terminals in each. One for the teacher, 6 for the students. It has been a success thus far. The administration will review it next month and discuss furthering the deployment over the summer for next year. Admittedly we had to add a Windows Terminal server to provide a few windows only apps to the desktop but it is almost seamless and everyone is happy. I often wonder when / if that one, must have, windows only web site or application is going to come along and put the kibosh on our Linux deployment. I don't think it's going to happen anytime soon. The only thing that seems shaky in my humble opinion is streaming media. This is the Achilles heel of terminal services not Linux. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. Streaming media is the future of computers and education. Picture a classroom with a 3/1 or 2/1 or even 1/1 student to computer ratio. A lesson is presented to the class by the teacher. The lesson is also available on streaming media accompanied by on-line work sheets, quizzes and the like. Students lagging behind can review the lesson, accelerated students can forge ahead and not get bored. The teacher can look at the stats for the quizzes and monitor the classes progress. The teacher will be free for more one on one. I have yet to see the killer app in a K - 8 school that if removed from the curriculum the school would fall behind all others. But if or when streaming media and course offerings mature that would be it in my estimation and if terminal services wouldn't work I'd use what ever does. Another thing be on the lookout for is the web sites that are provided by the text book publishers. Sites incorporating some Macromedia files may not be Linux friendly and could be a problem. I'd like to see a survey of K - 8 teachers and ask how much time is available to students per week for computer use. Out of that time how much time will be alloted to each of the various apps. Does the amount of time and money to support said app justify its deployment? Something else I have been thinking about. We are a Christian school. Much of our funding comes from donations as the tuition does not cover expenses. If we were to retool our school to the latest and greatest windows how much would it cost? We have about 200 PII / PIII computers on line and a smattering of P4 with XP. $300,000.00 , $400,000.00? Where is the real benefit to the students? I love technology but I see it's limitations in our environment. If I was a parent at the school and I saw my tuition increase next year to pay for this retool I'd be asking some serious questions. How is this going to benefit Billy and Betty? Can the benefits be measured? How long is this investment going to be good for? With Betty being in PreK are we going to be making this expenditure again before she graduates 8th grade? How else could we spend this money? Would our students benefit more from say adding more personnel and reducing the student to teacher ratio? Would our Christian mission be better served by giving tuition assistance to needy families? Would this money be better spent enhancing Art, Music, Phys Ed needs? Even with the deep discounts MS offers schools it's still costly as compared with the k12ltsp paradigm. Then when you factor in the hardware upgrades that are required to jump to the next latest and greatest version of Windows the savings are even more. Just how much difference does a computer network make in the overall scheme of things in a K4 - 8th grade school? How many hours a week does each student use a computer? How many times a week does a given application get used by a student? What applications are used the most? K12LTSP wins hands down. Not to mention the ease of service, lack of virus threat, spyware and the like. Regards, Johh From ascensiontech at gmail.com Thu Apr 21 00:36:11 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Ascension Tech) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 20:36:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] abi-word print config? Message-ID: <9bd3175605042017361be70e3a@mail.gmail.com> I have an unusual situation. I've suggested everyone use abiword because there were complaints of slowness with OO. However our HP laserjet 2200 only works if duplex (A.K.A double-sided printing) is turned off. Otherwise it's a functional printer. I have that setting changed in the driver config (using postscript driver) and that took care of problems with OO. But, abiword has it's own setting for duplex printing that's turned on by default and resets itself to duplex every time you start abiword. What I want to know is there a config file for abiword? The abiword.profile file in .abisuite folder doesn't list any preferences that look applicable. In the print dialog, the 'add new settings' is greyed out and only the default is offered. Any Ideas? Thank you, Peter From tlegge at rogers.com Thu Apr 21 01:52:19 2005 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 22:52:19 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Given this situation, why bother continue with LTSP? In-Reply-To: <1114028047.23037.33.camel@tardis.london.volnet> References: <20050420192928.66799.qmail@web88204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1114028047.23037.33.camel@tardis.london.volnet> Message-ID: <42670753.4020804@rogers.com> george kocke wrote: > On Wed, 2005-04-20 at 14:53, The Prof wrote: > > >>Administration: Currently with a linux lab I am the only one who can >>administer it because no one knows how or is interested in this >>'new-fangled stuff'. If it was a Windows lab, that responsiblity could >>be spread out among at least a few people who have this ability, >>lightening my load. In addition, most of the admin/setup/etc. is done >>for free as we volunteer our time. So it isn't like we'd cost more >>because of the increased work to them :) > > > This is a common argument for using only Microsoft software. I was just > today arguing with a friend who works as a sysadmin at a very rich > private school. > > Aside from simply being able to afford to be an all Microsoft shop, one > of the reasons they stick with it is so that nearly anyone will be able > to work on the network should something happen to him. I think that's a > horrible way to think as it leads to mediocrity. > > That argument may have been valid 10 years ago, but not any longer. Just because anyone can "administer" windows doesn't mean that anyone should be allowed. I have known a good many "anyones" that I would not trust with a vic 20 (showing my age I know...) Tim From wparrott at gcps1.com Thu Apr 21 02:12:28 2005 From: wparrott at gcps1.com (William Parrott) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 22:12:28 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Given this situation, why bother continue with LTSP? Message-ID: Hey Tim, I can do you one better...remember the Commodore PET? My older brother brought one home after his first year in college in the late 70's. Been hooked on computers ever since. Ahh, the good old days when you wondered how you were going to make use of all 4K of RAM! ;) Regards, William P.S. I still have my old VIC-20 and the cassette drive. > Just because anyone can "administer" windows doesn't mean > that anyone should be allowed. I have known a good many > "anyones" that I would not trust with a vic 20 (showing my > age I know...) > > Tim > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From veewee77 at alltel.net Thu Apr 21 02:12:54 2005 From: veewee77 at alltel.net (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 21:12:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Given this situation, why bother continue with LTSP? In-Reply-To: <42670753.4020804@rogers.com> References: <20050420192928.66799.qmail@web88204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1114028047.23037.33.camel@tardis.london.volnet> <42670753.4020804@rogers.com> Message-ID: <42670C26.8030402@alltel.net> Timothy Legge wrote: > george kocke wrote: > >> On Wed, 2005-04-20 at 14:53, The Prof wrote: >> >> >>> Administration: Currently with a linux lab I am the only one who can >>> administer it because no one knows how or is interested in this >>> 'new-fangled stuff'. If it was a Windows lab, that responsiblity could >>> be spread out among at least a few people who have this ability, >>> lightening my load. In addition, most of the admin/setup/etc. is done >>> for free as we volunteer our time. So it isn't like we'd cost more >>> because of the increased work to them :) >> >> >> >> This is a common argument for using only Microsoft software. I was just >> today arguing with a friend who works as a sysadmin at a very rich >> private school. >> Aside from simply being able to afford to be an all Microsoft shop, one >> of the reasons they stick with it is so that nearly anyone will be able >> to work on the network should something happen to him. I think that's a >> horrible way to think as it leads to mediocrity. >> >> That argument may have been valid 10 years ago, but not any longer. > > > Just because anyone can "administer" windows doesn't mean that anyone > should be allowed. I have known a good many "anyones" that I would > not trust with a vic 20 (showing my age I know...) HEY! Those make EXCELLENT Robot Brains!!!! Doug > > Tim > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From veewee77 at alltel.net Thu Apr 21 02:19:23 2005 From: veewee77 at alltel.net (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 21:19:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Given this situation, why bother continue with LTSP? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42670DAB.90609@alltel.net> I had a PET too. But the VIC was more fun! It had sound (kinda) Doug William Parrott wrote: >Hey Tim, > >I can do you one better...remember the Commodore PET? My older brother >brought one home after his first year in college in the late 70's. Been >hooked on computers ever since. Ahh, the good old days when you wondered >how you were going to make use of all 4K of RAM! ;) > >Regards, > >William > >P.S. I still have my old VIC-20 and the cassette drive. > > > >>Just because anyone can "administer" windows doesn't mean >>that anyone should be allowed. I have known a good many >>"anyones" that I would not trust with a vic 20 (showing my >>age I know...) >> >>Tim >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From ybjones at one.net Thu Apr 21 02:19:56 2005 From: ybjones at one.net (Yancey B. Jones) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 22:19:56 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Given this situation, why bother continue with LTSP? In-Reply-To: <42670C26.8030402@alltel.net> Message-ID: <20050421021345.CYGL1090.gx5.fuse.net@RBSSERVER> > > Just because anyone can "administer" windows doesn't mean > that anyone > > should be allowed. I have known a good many "anyones" that I would > > not trust with a vic 20 (showing my age I know...) > > HEY! Those make EXCELLENT Robot Brains!!!! > > Doug So do the Timex Sinclairs! -Yancey From veewee77 at alltel.net Thu Apr 21 02:21:43 2005 From: veewee77 at alltel.net (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 21:21:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Given this situation, why bother continue with LTSP? In-Reply-To: <20050421021345.CYGL1090.gx5.fuse.net@RBSSERVER> References: <20050421021345.CYGL1090.gx5.fuse.net@RBSSERVER> Message-ID: <42670E37.2040003@alltel.net> Yancey B. Jones wrote: >>>Just because anyone can "administer" windows doesn't mean >>> >>> >>that anyone >> >> >>>should be allowed. I have known a good many "anyones" that I would >>>not trust with a vic 20 (showing my age I know...) >>> >>> >>HEY! Those make EXCELLENT Robot Brains!!!! >> >>Doug >> >> > >So do the Timex Sinclairs! > >-Yancey > > > I never had access to a Timex Sinclair to play with. My brother had one but he never let me play with it much. . . Doug >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From Jason.Waskiewicz at sendit.nodak.edu Thu Apr 21 02:31:06 2005 From: Jason.Waskiewicz at sendit.nodak.edu (Jason Waskiewicz) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 21:31:06 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Given this situation, why bother continue with LTSP? In-Reply-To: <20050420203956.D871673486@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050420203956.D871673486@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <49820.69.26.17.246.1114050666.squirrel@webmail.sendit.nodak.edu> Sir, May I suggest that you have been given a wonderful opportunity? You have the potential to have a Windows lab AND a Linux lab. Students could experience both worlds. This gift expands the number of computers available at your school and it expands the number of computer experiences. I use Linux and Windows XP at school. I go home and use Apple OS X. This makes me able to fix problems on all 3 because I see them with different eyes than those who have experienced only one system. I grew up on a TI-99/4A, Apple IIe, and TRS-80. I then migrated to Windows 3.1, backwards to DOS (to run programs I needed as a Physics major), to Windows 95, then Apple 9.x and then to Windows XP. (I missed the incarnations of Windows between 95 and XP). Because of my experience, I am comfortable sitting down at computers. I am even the unofficial tech person at my school and was recently offered my dream job (which I had to turn down) in part because of my wide computer experience. Look upon this gift as an opportunity to expand your students' options. Down the road, think of it as a chance to get better thin clients. ;) There is a lot of good in this gift if you are willing to look at it in that perspective. --Jason Waskiewicz jason.waskiewicz at sendit.nodak.edu From scott at hosef.org Thu Apr 21 02:45:20 2005 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 16:45:20 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Given this situation, why bother continue with LTSP? In-Reply-To: References: <20050420192928.66799.qmail@web88204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <426713C0.4060701@hosef.org> The Prof wrote: > Hello, > have been able to afford to upgrade all the clients to XP. I think > that if we had a lab of pentium 4 machines and a dual Xenon SCSI > machine as the server (that's the type of hardware he can get us) that > it would last us for a long, long time. If your Church does not need this gentleman's money for any other more noble reason, and he understands the functionality of free hardware and software, then why fight it? The above server can dual boot, and those P4 machines will likely pxe boot. The workstations can triple boot as clients, XP machines, and gnu/debian/ubuntu. Offer choice through redundancy. > > Administration: Currently with a linux lab I am the only one who can > administer it because no one knows how or is interested in this > 'new-fangled stuff'. If it was a Windows lab, that responsiblity could > be spread out among at least a few people who have this ability, > lightening my load. In addition, most of the admin/setup/etc. is done > for free as we volunteer our time. So it isn't like we'd cost more > because of the increased work to them :) The Admin argument is FUD. If you can add users, printers, update software, and manage files in windows or mac, then you can do the same with FOSS distros like the K12LTSP. If your volunteer resources cannot do this, and you do not have a way to train them up, willingly, then perhaps it is not time. If your volunteer admins are managing a PDC, customized desktops, etc, then a. They can certainly hang with the K12LTSP b. They may yearn for a few, yet-to-be matured customization tools. > work. When I walk into BestBuy or open the paper I see the computers > are being sold with Windows XP. So why are you forcing this > non-Windows stuff on me? So what if it is less administration? Why do > I care? That's the dilemma. If you have end users that feel that they are being forced, then I would caution you to save your resources for a bigger battle. Successful deployments of FOSS are not about advocacy or Ripping and Replacing. They must be the result of informed, end-user demand. > > As sad as it is to say, MANY people do not view education and school > as a way to increase their child's capability of thought, but as a way > to get a professional high-paying job. And I'm not about to take on > the ideology of an entire culture. :) If they know that FOSS is an engine for Economic Development and a platform for Educational Entreprenerialism, then they are informed and free to choose something else. If they don't know this, or that the very high paying jobs come from supporting and programming, not using, software, then you have some informing to do. Dropping names like Novell, BEA Systems, CA, IBM, Oracle, HP, etc. help those who see money in education. Challenge those individuals to do some research before they limit the opportunities of the youth they purport to protect. Oh, will this kind person donate free software to the underprivileged patrons of your church, or will they have an artificial barrier to entry to their tech future? > > Joseph --scott From ascensiontech at gmail.com Thu Apr 21 03:26:31 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Ascension Tech) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 23:26:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] tuxpaint printing Message-ID: <9bd317560504202026791a95ec@mail.gmail.com> Tuxpaint seems to automatically print to the default printer. Can I hard code it to print to a specific printer that's not the default? I tried changing to printcfg=No in tuxpaint.conf but get the same result. I wish this program would ask me where I want to print to like most others do. Is there a way to force this? Thanks, Peter From datakid at gmail.com Thu Apr 21 05:36:42 2005 From: datakid at gmail.com (musicman) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 15:36:42 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Old K12, with samba issues, I think Message-ID: <24261cd05042022362528a232@mail.gmail.com> The NGO I sys admin for has a K12LTSP box doing DHCP, A Win2k Server as PDC, and a Debian firewall/DNS/Router. We have about 12 full WSs and about 3 thin terminals (up to five in a week). The thin terminals were a cheap Window's replacement, and are mostly used by administration staff to access our windows-based donors database (powerflex! old stylin' headaches) In the office, I am the only one that uses the Linux capabilities of the K12 sys we have set up. This is more a config question than anything else, I'm a huge linux advocate, use kubuntu at home, and am hoping that this office will be linux in 5 years or so, but in the mean time, we are a win shop (at least while the db is win-based). The problem I'm having is as follows: We had a contractor come in and set the whole thing up, and he has since effectively disappeared. I inherited this system, and it took me almost this 3 months to even find out what it was running. According to Paul Nelson, I'm running K12LTSP 3.1.2, red-hat release 9. Apart from being utilised as a thin client manager, the K12 box also acts as one of our redundant backups, using rsync. When I first arrived, I noticed that it had been "running" every nite, as planned (scheduled batch scripts on the win2K server, using cygwin), but the disk was full, so it was not copying anything. I deleted a bunch of files, and tried to start it up again, and found that about 15 minutes after the rsync had started (midnight), the win2K server had lost connection to the Domain. It could still surf the web, so it hadn't lost all connectivity, but the rest of the network could not see it, and it could not see them. A simple restart was all that was required to solve the networking problem, though the backup hadn't completed, not even close. The only thing I ever found in the win2K logs was that a browser election had happen around the same time. Paul Nelson said it was definitely a samba issue, and not a browser election issue. Has anyone seen this before and do they know what might be causing it? I work in a production environment (well, a struggling NGO) that needs the K12 server up at all times, and there is no documentation about what has been changed in the system from the previous contractor. Hence my desire to upgrade to 4.2.0 is minimal since it does what we want and we rarely use the linux capabilities it provides (ie, I don't need the latest KDE/Gnome packages, I just need the rysnc to work) I've been sitting here quitely for about a fortnight - it seems like a very constructive, busy and knowledgable list, I hope I can put in some of my own once I get up to speed on the K12. Cheers Lachlan Simpson, National Database & IT Support Officer National Office The Wilderness Society 57E Brisbane Street, Hobart TAS 7000, AUSTRALIA Ph +61 3 6270 1786 http://www.wilderness.org.au From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Thu Apr 21 08:27:21 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 09:27:21 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Planning for Next Year References: <4266C585.3070907@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <010601c5464b$f066af00$65c8a8c0@brianwork> Mark Cockrell wrote: > Hello all, > I'm putting together my summer to-do list and I plan to do some > serious re-organization of my current server setup. I'm hoping some > of those here more experience with Linux can help me out. I have a > Windows NT domain with approximately 700 users on about 400 PCs. I > want to move my PDC to a Samba/LDAP server and let my Win 2K/XP > machines authenticate to that. I have a server I've been using as my > K12LTSP server. It's a one-NIC setup supporting about 50 clients, > though rarely more than 20 at any one time. It's a dual Xeon 2.4GHz > with 4GB RAM and an SATA RAID array for storage. My question is > this: Could this machine serve has both my K12LTSP server AND my > Samba/LDAP server? Could this hardware handle the user > authentication and the accompanying file management and still be an > effective thin-client server? Our high school students in particular > make extensive use of the network storage and frequently move large > files across the network. What would be the most likely bottleneck > here? Is this too much to ask of a single server? Are my specs. too > meager? Would I be able to achieve seamless integration of Windows > and Linux logons with this setup? Would I have to share the user > directory via both Samba and NFS to do so? Any wisdom would be > appreciated. I'm planning a similar move this summer. At the moment we have a dual Xeon 2.8 with 1Gb of RAM running RH9 / Samba 2.x acting as a NT4 PDC. It handles over 1000 students on 500 machine without any complaints. I've just order a Dual Xeon 3 Ghz with 1Gb of RAM to run Samba 3 / OpenLDAP so the Win2k/XP side of things shouldn't be a problem with the spec you've mentioned. I can't talk about the LTSP side of things. We have things like shared areas stored on another server again running rh9 with Samba and this authenticates to the main samba box. We then just map the relevent drives as they login via a Kixstart script. Brian Chivers Portsmouth College --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 21 10:01:13 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 03:01:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Given this situation, why bother continue with LTSP? In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050421100113.55508.qmail@web41623.mail.yahoo.com> 2 more comments: 1) If the parents think the children are being somehow handicapped by using Linux, they should be shown some of the articles I've seen on the internet about the salaries of Linux admins vs. Windows admins. 2) The basics of Linux do not change much. Since I started learning how Linux works about a year and a half ago, I truly feel that I am learning valuable information. More and more I feel that any time I spend to learn something in Windows is a waste of my time. This is because every release of Windows does something a little bit differently. I have had questions about how to set up my network in Linux--I researched the internet, and found a how-to from 10 years ago that still applies today. In my estimation, time spent learning Linux is time well spent. -Rob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From tlegge at rogers.com Thu Apr 21 10:27:43 2005 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 07:27:43 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Given this situation, why bother continue with LTSP? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4267801F.7080101@rogers.com> William Parrott wrote: > Hey Tim, > > I can do you one better...remember the Commodore PET? My older brother > brought one home after his first year in college in the late 70's. Been > hooked on computers ever since. Ahh, the good old days when you wondered > how you were going to make use of all 4K of RAM! ;) I do remember the pet, but not that long ago. I believe they we in my school in the early 80's... I wrote a program to look for prime numbers and wondered if I broke the Pet. It took so long to respond... Tim From richard at richardljohnson.com Thu Apr 21 10:36:00 2005 From: richard at richardljohnson.com (Richard Johnson) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 05:36:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Given this situation, why bother continue with LTSP? In-Reply-To: <20050421100113.55508.qmail@web41623.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050421100113.55508.qmail@web41623.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42678210.50500@richardljohnson.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Thu Apr 21 12:40:10 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 07:40:10 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Given this situation, why bother continue with LTSP? In-Reply-To: <20050421100113.55508.qmail@web41623.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050421100113.55508.qmail@web41623.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Thu, 21 Apr 2005, Rob Owens wrote: > 2 more comments: > > 1) If the parents think the children are being > somehow handicapped by using Linux, they should be > shown some of the articles I've seen on the internet > about the salaries of Linux admins vs. Windows admins. URLs please!!!!! > > 2) The basics of Linux do not change much. Since I > started learning how Linux works about a year and a > half ago, I truly feel that I am learning valuable > information. More and more I feel that any time I > spend to learn something in Windows is a waste of my > time. This is because every release of Windows does > something a little bit differently. I have had > questions about how to set up my network in Linux--I > researched the internet, and found a how-to from 10 > years ago that still applies today. In my estimation, > time spent learning Linux is time well spent. > > -Rob > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Thu Apr 21 12:56:53 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 07:56:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Old K12, with samba issues, I think In-Reply-To: <24261cd05042022362528a232@mail.gmail.com> References: <24261cd05042022362528a232@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1114088213.19204.23.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2005-04-21 at 00:36, musicman wrote: > Apart from being utilised as a thin client manager, the K12 box also > acts as one of our redundant backups, using rsync. > > When I first arrived, I noticed that it had been "running" every nite, > as planned (scheduled batch scripts on the win2K server, using > cygwin), but the disk was full, so it was not copying anything. You might want to add the --delete option so it will always remove files that were deleted on the source. Or set up backuppc which will compress files and let you keep a specified number of days on line. You'll get about 5x the amount of stuff in the same space. > I deleted a bunch of files, and tried to start it up again, and found > that about 15 minutes after the rsync had started (midnight), the > win2K server had lost connection to the Domain. > > It could still surf the web, so it hadn't lost all connectivity, but > the rest of the network could not see it, and it could not see them. A > simple restart was all that was required to solve the networking > problem, though the backup hadn't completed, not even close. > > The only thing I ever found in the win2K logs was that a browser > election had happen around the same time. > > Paul Nelson said it was definitely a samba issue, and not a browser > election issue. A PDC really, really wants to be the master browser, especially if everything isn't set up to use it as a WINS server. In /etc/samba/smb.conf, set 'local master = no' and 'domain master = no'. If you can put all your machine names in a local DNS server (even an unregistered domain name will work locally) you can avoid most of the problems of broadcast-based naming - at least for win2k and up. > I work in a production environment (well, a struggling NGO) that needs > the K12 server up at all times, and there is no documentation about > what has been changed in the system from the previous contractor. > Hence my desire to upgrade to 4.2.0 is minimal since it does what we > want and we rarely use the linux capabilities it provides (ie, I don't > need the latest KDE/Gnome packages, I just need the rysnc to work) If you get too far behind you will have trouble keeping the system updated with security and critical bug fixes. If you aren't going to upgrade you should at least set up apt/yum to use the appropriate repository at http://fedoralegacy.org/ and pick up the available updates. Long-term, try to get replacement/backup hardware for your server so you can install and test the new system with no risk to the old one. Then even after you cut over you can still go back to the old one to see how something worked if you missed anything. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us Thu Apr 21 12:42:52 2005 From: schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us (Jimmy Schwankl) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 08:42:52 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: abi-word print config? Message-ID: Peter wrote: > But, abiword has it's own setting for > duplex printing that's turned on by default and resets itself to > duplex every time you start abiword. What I want to know is there a > config file for abiword? The abiword.profile file in .abisuite folder > doesn't list any preferences that look applicable. In the print > dialog, the 'add new settings' is greyed out and only the default is > offered. Any Ideas? Have you tried setting this while logged in as root? Maybe it won't be greyed out then. Peace, Jimmy **This message was sent from the Chatham County Schools Mail Server** *****All e-mail correspondence to and from this address is subject to the North Carolina Public Records Law, which may result in monitoring and disclosure to third parties, including law enforcement.***** From petre at maltzen.net Thu Apr 21 14:01:08 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 09:01:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Given this situation, why bother continue with LTSP? In-Reply-To: References: <20050421100113.55508.qmail@web41623.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4267B224.8010701@maltzen.net> There's also a subtle but important difference in the philosophical underpinnings of Linux vs. Windows: While you might get the Windows licenses for free, MS ultimately is still after your money; perhaps you didn't spend the money, but your benefactor did. Or if the licenses were donated by MS, they did so with the hope that at some point you will buy more, so the donations are just seeding. To make money they have to control the access to their software, to restrict access to it. Notice that in their latest Office offering, the XML file format (which is only available in the more expensive versions) isn't really open nor designed for interoperability with non-MS software. There's nothing sinister about it, since MS is a business, and therefore its reason for existing is to make money. But I don't think your school & church exist to provide financial support for MS. Linux's reason for existence isn't to make money, but to allow people to use computers. Some companies make money out of it, after the fact, but they don't control the access to it, which means others can make it freely available if they so desire. And in the case of K12LTSP, enough people desire so to have created a community that supports that freedom. Limiting access to software, like Windows, et al, would be similar to a school telling its students that they can't share with others whatever the school teaches them. Linux says share all you want, and you'll be surprised what people come up with, for example, Knoppix and LTSP. Again, it's not illegal or sinister, and the people who work for MS aren't monsters. It's just that they way they want the world to work is inconsistent with what schools are trying to do, whereas Linux is much the same as schools. As others have pointed out, by the time the kids get out of school and into business, the MS tools they used in school will no longer be current. But there's a bigger paradigm shift going on, which is being missed by the people who say kids should use Windows because that's what businesses use. In ten years the software landscape will probably look quite different from today, as OSS continues to ascend at the expense of proprietary software, perhaps glacially but nevertheless inevitably. The internet makes this all possible. Kids are quite familiar with downloading such things as music (as are a fair number of adults). However, there's a moral and legal impediment in that some/much/most of the music available online wasn't intended by its creators to be freely available. Yet imagine if it were. I think people would come up with all sorts of creative things if they had unlimited access to music files. Now substitute software for music, software that is intended to be freely shared, which people do re-combine to make new things. I'm not sure how the music sharing bit will play out, and I think there will always be some proprietary software for narrow markets (word processors and spreadsheets are not narrow markets). But understanding how the internet allows sharing and collaboration and connecting with others is what matters, and proprietary software like that of MS only inhibits participating in that. Choosing Windows over Linux is to choose yesterday's technology over tomorrow's. Petre Doug Simpson wrote: > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > DeQueen Public Schools > DeQueen, AR 71832 > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > Tux for President! > > On Thu, 21 Apr 2005, Rob Owens wrote: > > >>2 more comments: >> >>1) If the parents think the children are being >>somehow handicapped by using Linux, they should be >>shown some of the articles I've seen on the internet >>about the salaries of Linux admins vs. Windows admins. > > > URLs please!!!!! > > >>2) The basics of Linux do not change much. Since I >>started learning how Linux works about a year and a >>half ago, I truly feel that I am learning valuable >>information. More and more I feel that any time I >>spend to learn something in Windows is a waste of my >>time. This is because every release of Windows does >>something a little bit differently. I have had >>questions about how to set up my network in Linux--I >>researched the internet, and found a how-to from 10 >>years ago that still applies today. In my estimation, >>time spent learning Linux is time well spent. >> >>-Rob >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Do You Yahoo!? >>Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >>http://mail.yahoo.com >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From joseph.bishay at gmail.com Thu Apr 21 15:14:27 2005 From: joseph.bishay at gmail.com (The Prof) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 11:14:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Given this situation, why bother continue with LTSP? In-Reply-To: <4267B224.8010701@maltzen.net> References: <20050421100113.55508.qmail@web41623.mail.yahoo.com> <4267B224.8010701@maltzen.net> Message-ID: Hello again, So an idea - what about dual-booting everything? I think someone may have suggested that as a possibility. Details: I checked with the gentleman helping us, and the details of the machines are: Dell GX150 as clients (PIII 1.1 Ghz, 256 MB Ram), and a Proliant 5500 Pentium Pro Quad processor with 8 gig. In terms of software, he has reassurred me that the licenses do not expire for non-profit organizations like us, so there will be no need to repurchase in the future. He is a trustworthy person and he won't be benefitting from this transaction at all (except perhaps in the spiritual sense :) ) so no reason to doubt his word. Now, I am more than sure the workstations will be no problem, and from what I was able to tell from the listserver archives, the Proliant should be at least as good as our current server (Pentium 4, 2.8 GHz, 2 gig RAM) if not better. So is there a way I can set up the clients so that they, by default, boot up as LTSP cilents, unless you specify something, in which case they will boot up as Windows XP machines? That way I can use the Proliant as a LTSP server, convert the Pentium 4 server to a Windows Server Machine, and have both systems running? Or is there another option? And how many clients do you think such a system could handle? thank you again, Joseph From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Thu Apr 21 15:38:36 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 08:38:36 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Given this situation, why bother continue with LTSP? In-Reply-To: References: <20050421100113.55508.qmail@web41623.mail.yahoo.com> <4267B224.8010701@maltzen.net> Message-ID: > So is there a way I can set up the clients so that they, by default, > boot up as LTSP cilents, unless you specify something, in which case > they will boot up as Windows XP machines? That way I can use the > Proliant as a LTSP server, convert the Pentium 4 server to a Windows > Server Machine, and have both systems running? Or is there another > option? And how many clients do you think such a system could handle? Great solution. If you set those Optiplexes to PXE boot, they will boot to the LTSP server by default. If on boot-up you hit the escape key, the will boot from the hard drive. From gary.frederick at jsoft.com Thu Apr 21 15:47:42 2005 From: gary.frederick at jsoft.com (Gary Frederick) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 10:47:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Given this situation, why bother continue with LTSP? In-Reply-To: References: <20050421100113.55508.qmail@web41623.mail.yahoo.com> <4267B224.8010701@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1114098463.7727.65.camel@server.ltsp> On Thu, 2005-04-21 at 11:14 -0400, The Prof wrote: > Hello again, > Details: I checked with the gentleman helping us, and the details of > the machines are: Dell GX150 as clients (PIII 1.1 Ghz, 256 MB Ram), > and a Proliant 5500 Pentium Pro Quad processor with 8 gig. In terms of FWIW I have a Proliant 6000 with 4 processors and a Proliant 2500 with 2 processors that I have NOT been able to get k12ltsp to run on yet!!! I like the suggestion to run both. It would be interesting to see what the users 'vote' for after they have been up for a while. Both is more administration... Gary From jon.spriggs at gmail.com Thu Apr 21 16:00:38 2005 From: jon.spriggs at gmail.com (Jon Spriggs) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 17:00:38 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Given this situation, why bother continue with LTSP? In-Reply-To: <1114098463.7727.65.camel@server.ltsp> References: <20050421100113.55508.qmail@web41623.mail.yahoo.com> <4267B224.8010701@maltzen.net> <1114098463.7727.65.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <96df2e0b05042109001ac37ab@mail.gmail.com> Also... Dell's have a tendancy to use 810i hardware (at least the GX boxes we've had) which are a pain in the rear to get working in X. Sorry... Jon On 4/21/05, Gary Frederick wrote: > On Thu, 2005-04-21 at 11:14 -0400, The Prof wrote: > > Hello again, > > > Details: I checked with the gentleman helping us, and the details of > > the machines are: Dell GX150 as clients (PIII 1.1 Ghz, 256 MB Ram), > > and a Proliant 5500 Pentium Pro Quad processor with 8 gig. In terms of > > FWIW > > I have a Proliant 6000 with 4 processors and a Proliant 2500 with 2 > processors that I have NOT been able to get k12ltsp to run on > yet!!! > > I like the suggestion to run both. It would be interesting to see what > the users 'vote' for after they have been up for a while. > > Both is more administration... > > Gary > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Jon "Four Star Gun" Spriggs AKA Jon "The Nice Guy" Spriggs From gentgeen at linuxmail.org Thu Apr 21 16:02:03 2005 From: gentgeen at linuxmail.org (Kevin Squire) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 12:02:03 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Given this situation, why bother continue with LTSP? In-Reply-To: References: <20050421100113.55508.qmail@web41623.mail.yahoo.com> <4267B224.8010701@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <20050421120203.1d3ddc35@linuxbox> On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 11:14:27 -0400 The Prof wrote: > Hello again, > > So an idea - what about dual-booting everything? I think someone may > have suggested that as a possibility. > > So is there a way I can set up the clients so that they, by default, > boot up as LTSP cilents, unless you specify something, in which case > they will boot up as Windows XP machines? That way I can use the > Proliant as a LTSP server, convert the Pentium 4 server to a Windows > Server Machine, and have both systems running? Or is there another > option? And how many clients do you think such a system could handle? > > thank you again, > Joseph > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see Yep, it is very easy, and you have an number of options. You will just have to be careful with your DHCP setup. Either have the LTSP server as the only DHCP server, or have the LTSP server run on a different port. (1) Since they are newer machines, you may have the option built right into the BIOS as to boot from CD, HD, Network, USB, etc then you just have to press a key during the BIOS check to switch from default (i.e. my one computer will boot from CD 1st, Floppy 2nd, HD 3rd, but I can press F4 during the memory check and it will boot from the Network - PXE) You may want to set yours up to Network 1nd, Hard Drive 2st, and nothing (or maybe CD) 3rd. (2) Get the correct boot floppy for your NIC over at http://rom-o-matic.net/ Then make a few of these and stick on in each floppy drive, with a few spares laying around. Boot the machines from them. Make sure you do the advance option and change the port # for DHCP if your LTSP server is using a different DHCP port. This is probably not the best option, but the quickest/easiest to start/least destructive if you can't do option 1. (3) Partition your hard drive into 2, hda1 with 5MB, and hda2 with everything else. Then copy the floppy mentioned above over to the hda1 and have Windows on hda2. You can install LILO, or GRUB, or Smart Boot Manager (http://btmgr.webframe.org/). In this case, I would suggest SBM. -- From steve at sierra-computer.com Thu Apr 21 16:19:45 2005 From: steve at sierra-computer.com (Steve Knopik) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 09:19:45 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Error with yum update In-Reply-To: <20050421120203.1d3ddc35@linuxbox> References: <20050421100113.55508.qmail@web41623.mail.yahoo.com> <4267B224.8010701@maltzen.net> <20050421120203.1d3ddc35@linuxbox> Message-ID: <4267D2A1.1030605@sierra-computer.com> Eric, I am getting the following error when running "yum update". I tried importing the key again, but I get same error. Is there a problem with the key. I am also getting the same error on my laptop. Up to this point yum has been working fine. warning: rpmts_HdrFromFdno: V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID 11f63c51 public key not available for webmin-1.190-1.noarch.rpm Retrieving GPG key from http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP-GPG-KEY The GPG key at http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP-GPG-KEY (0xF1A2DED5) is already installed but is not the correct key for this package. Check that this is the correct key for the "K12LTSP" repository. Steve Sierra Computer Services From joseph.bishay at gmail.com Thu Apr 21 16:27:17 2005 From: joseph.bishay at gmail.com (The Prof) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 12:27:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Given this situation, why bother continue with LTSP? In-Reply-To: <1114098463.7727.65.camel@server.ltsp> References: <20050421100113.55508.qmail@web41623.mail.yahoo.com> <4267B224.8010701@maltzen.net> <1114098463.7727.65.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: Hmm...this is not good. Can anyone confirm that a Proliant server will work with K12ltsp? And is anyone using PXE with the dell GX150s? We are using floppies with our current setup, which is resulting in confusion and some problems ("what's this disk in here..hmm..must be old - I'll just toss it out" Even though they have written on them DO NOT REMOVE!) Thanks, Joseph On 4/21/05, Gary Frederick wrote: > On Thu, 2005-04-21 at 11:14 -0400, The Prof wrote: > > Hello again, > > > Details: I checked with the gentleman helping us, and the details of > > the machines are: Dell GX150 as clients (PIII 1.1 Ghz, 256 MB Ram), > > and a Proliant 5500 Pentium Pro Quad processor with 8 gig. In terms of > > FWIW > > I have a Proliant 6000 with 4 processors and a Proliant 2500 with 2 > processors that I have NOT been able to get k12ltsp to run on > yet!!! > > I like the suggestion to run both. It would be interesting to see what > the users 'vote' for after they have been up for a while. > > Both is more administration... > > Gary > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Apr 21 16:34:47 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 09:34:47 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Error with yum update In-Reply-To: <4267D2A1.1030605@sierra-computer.com> References: <20050421100113.55508.qmail@web41623.mail.yahoo.com> <4267B224.8010701@maltzen.net> <20050421120203.1d3ddc35@linuxbox> <4267D2A1.1030605@sierra-computer.com> Message-ID: <4267D627.5080101@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Steve Knopik wrote: > Eric, > > I am getting the following error when running "yum update". I tried > importing the key again, but I get same error. > Is there a problem with the key. I am also getting the same error on my > laptop. Up to this point yum has been working fine. > > > warning: rpmts_HdrFromFdno: V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID 11f63c51 > public key not available for webmin-1.190-1.noarch.rpm > Retrieving GPG key from http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP-GPG-KEY > > The GPG key at http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP-GPG-KEY (0xF1A2DED5) > is already installed but is not the correct key for this package. > Check that this is the correct key for the "K12LTSP" repository. > > Steve > Sierra Computer Services Run this command to fix this: rpm --import /usr/share/doc/k12ltsp/WEBMIN-GPG-KEY -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From dbentson at lcsd.k12.wa.us Thu Apr 21 16:43:53 2005 From: dbentson at lcsd.k12.wa.us (Dan Bentson-Royal) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 09:43:53 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Cron Problem for squidGuard - LTSP 4.0.2 (FC3) Message-ID: <4267D849.7040503@lcsd.k12.wa.us> I seem to be having trouble running a daily cron job. This seems to be the only job that has trouble - nothing else has the "BAD FILE MODE" comment. I googled the problem and found a suggestion that BAD FILE MODE probably means permissions trouble - but when I checked, it all looks fine. I'm looking for suggestions on how to proceed. Here is the error message from my cron log: [root at localhost ~]# more /var/log/cron | grep squidGuard Apr 18 17:11:31 localhost crond[2125]: (*system*) BAD FILE MODE (/etc/cron.d/squidGuard) Apr 19 11:11:11 localhost crond[2288]: (*system*) BAD FILE MODE (/etc/cron.d/squidGuard) Apr 19 11:17:39 localhost crond[2371]: (*system*) BAD FILE MODE (/etc/cron.d/squidGuard) Apr 19 13:29:07 localhost crond[2190]: (*system*) BAD FILE MODE (/etc/cron.d/squidGuard) [root at localhost ~]# ls -l /etc/cron.daily/ total 92 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 418 Nov 19 12:21 00-makewhatis.cron -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 135 Aug 18 2004 00webalizer -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 276 Sep 28 2004 0anacron -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 797 Oct 19 2004 certwatch -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 180 Oct 19 2004 logrotate -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2133 Nov 23 07:29 prelink -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 104 Nov 1 18:54 rpm -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 82 Oct 20 2004 slocate.cron -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 56 Apr 16 20:00 squidGuard -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 286 Aug 13 2004 tmpwatch -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 136 Feb 21 07:38 yum.cron [root at localhost ~]# On another list, someone asked to see the contents of squidGuard in /etc/cron.daily/ and /etc/cron.d/squidGuard - so I am including them here as well. ---begin clip--- [root at localhost ~]# more /etc/cron.daily/squidGuard #!/bin/bash nice /usr/sbin/update_squidguard_blacklists [root at localhost ~]# nice /usr/sbin/update_squidguard_blacklists [root at localhost ~]# more /etc/cron.d/squidGuard /etc/cron.d/squidGuard: No such file or directory [root at localhost ~]# tail -n 100 /usr/sbin/update_squidguard_blacklists #!/bin/sh TARGET=/var/squidGuard/blacklists cd $TARGET || exit # only run if squidGuard is active! [ "`ps auxw | grep squid[G]uard`" ] || exit rsync -az squidguard.mesd.k12.or.us::filtering $TARGET for DIR in `ls $TARGET` do if [ -f $DIR/domains.include ] then TMP=$RANDOM cat $DIR/domains $DIR/domains.include | sort | uniq > $DIR/domains.$TMP mv -f $DIR/domains.$TMP $DIR/domains fi if [ -f $DIR/urls.include ] then TMP=$RANDOM cat $DIR/urls $DIR/urls.include | sort | uniq > $DIR/urls.$TMP mv -f $DIR/urls.$TMP $DIR/urls fi done /usr/sbin/squidGuard -c /etc/squid/squidGuard.conf -C all # /usr/sbin/squidGuard -c /etc/squid/squidGuard.conf -u chown -R squid.squid $TARGET chown -R squid.squid /var/log/squidGuard/ sleep 5s /usr/bin/killall -HUP squid I am running LTSP 4.2.0 - FC3 Any suggestions as to where the problem lies? -- ***NOTE*** Whenever you make a request for LCSD technical assistance, please be sure to report this problem to our helpdesk at: http://help1.lcsd.k12.wa.us/helpdesk/ Dan Bentson-Royal La Center Schools What are employers looking for in an employee? Come to work every day and be on time. Make smart decisions. Follow directions. Concentrate on your work and care about the quality of your work. Read, write, and calculate well. Recognize problems and find solutions. Finish a job when you're supposed to without sacrificing quality. Be honest and dependable. Take the lead and work hard. Communicate well and get along with other people...especially customers. Dress properly and practice good grooming. Be cooperative. Have a positive attitude. From the Northwest Pennsylvania Industrial Resource Center, Inc. From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Thu Apr 21 17:01:24 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 10:01:24 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Given this situation, why bother continue with LTSP? In-Reply-To: References: <20050421100113.55508.qmail@web41623.mail.yahoo.com> <4267B224.8010701@maltzen.net> <1114098463.7727.65.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: > And is anyone using PXE with the dell GX150s? We > are using floppies with our current setup, which is resulting in > confusion and some problems ("what's this disk in here..hmm..must be > old - I'll just toss it out" Even though they have written on them DO> NOT REMOVE!)d >From Dell website for GX150's... MBA (Onboard NIC) ? Selecting MBA UNDI allows the system to boot from the network server. The MBA UNDI option appears under Boot Sequence only if the Network Interface Controller option is set to On w/MBA. If the Network Interface Controller option is set to On or Off, set it to On w/MBA and then press to save the change and reboot the system. MBA UNDI then appears under Boot Sequence. Subtle plug: my company sells GX150's refurbished to schools and school districts for $199/$209 at www.k12computers.com... (sorry!) -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Thu Apr 21 17:14:08 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 10:14:08 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Given this situation, why bother continue with LTSP? In-Reply-To: References: <20050421100113.55508.qmail@web41623.mail.yahoo.com> <4267B224.8010701@maltzen.net> <1114098463.7727.65.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: I just tested on a GX150 and it booted right into k12ltsp with pxe boot. > -- > Steve Hargadon > 916-899-1400 direct > -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct From richard at richardljohnson.com Thu Apr 21 17:39:24 2005 From: richard at richardljohnson.com (Richard Johnson) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 12:39:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] thin clients In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4267E54C.8040003@richardljohnson.com> Don't know if this is still a live thread. I used 3 Netier (Wyse) thinclients and booted off the LTS without a problem when I was running some test. These are/were 5 year old systems but worked great. Richard- John Arends wrote: >Have any of you tried using thin clients boxes from wyse or another company instead of old PCs as your thin clients? > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From caldodge at fpcc.net Thu Apr 21 18:13:25 2005 From: caldodge at fpcc.net (Calvin Dodge) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 12:13:25 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Cron Problem for squidGuard - LTSP 4.0.2 (FC3) In-Reply-To: <4267D849.7040503@lcsd.k12.wa.us> References: <4267D849.7040503@lcsd.k12.wa.us> Message-ID: <20050421181325.GA4059@fpcc.net> On Thu, Apr 21, 2005 at 09:43:53AM -0700, Dan Bentson-Royal wrote: > I seem to be having trouble running a daily cron job. This seems to be > the only job that has trouble - nothing else has the "BAD FILE MODE" > comment. [snip] > I googled the problem and found a suggestion that BAD FILE MODE probably > means permissions trouble - but when I checked, it all looks fine. I'm > looking for suggestions on how to proceed. > > [root at localhost ~]# ls -l /etc/cron.daily/ > total 92 > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 418 Nov 19 12:21 00-makewhatis.cron > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 135 Aug 18 2004 00webalizer > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 276 Sep 28 2004 0anacron > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 797 Oct 19 2004 certwatch > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 180 Oct 19 2004 logrotate > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2133 Nov 23 07:29 prelink > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 104 Nov 1 18:54 rpm > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 82 Oct 20 2004 slocate.cron > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 56 Apr 16 20:00 squidGuard > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 286 Aug 13 2004 tmpwatch > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 136 Feb 21 07:38 yum.cron Since your crond error message mentioned /etc/cron.d/squidGuard, can you post the result of "ls -l /etc/cron.d"? Calvin -- Calvin Dodge Certified Linux Bigot (tm) http://www.caldodge.fpcc.net From nbs at sonic.net Thu Apr 21 18:03:34 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 11:03:34 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] tuxpaint printing In-Reply-To: <9bd317560504202026791a95ec@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560504202026791a95ec@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20050421180334.GA9494@sonic.net> On Wed, Apr 20, 2005 at 11:26:31PM -0400, Ascension Tech wrote: > Tuxpaint seems to automatically print to the default printer. Can I > hard code it to print to a specific printer that's not the default? I > tried changing to printcfg=No in tuxpaint.conf but get the same > result. I wish this program would ask me where I want to print to > like most others do. Is there a way to force this? You may be able to take advantage of kprinter, or be able to set the "printcmd" line in the config to hard-code some options into the 'lpr' command (or whatever you want/need to use). 'zat help? -bill! From nbs at sonic.net Thu Apr 21 18:22:13 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 11:22:13 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Given this situation, why bother continue with LTSP? In-Reply-To: <4267B224.8010701@maltzen.net> References: <20050421100113.55508.qmail@web41623.mail.yahoo.com> <4267B224.8010701@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <20050421182213.GB9494@sonic.net> On Thu, Apr 21, 2005 at 09:01:08AM -0500, Petre Scheie wrote: > There's also a subtle but important difference in the philosophical > underpinnings of Linux vs. Windows: This is a most excellent posting. (I'm surprised noone else here commented on it yet!) Petre, my LUG will soon be attending the Whole Earth Festival at UC Davis in California [ http://www.lugod.org/projects/wef/ ] (and we'll be holding some other events in the community). May I quote and/or paraphrase some of your so well-stated arguments in our handouts for these events? :^) Thanks! -bill! From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 21 18:30:59 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 11:30:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Given this situation, why bother continue with LTSP? In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050421183100.4489.qmail@web41625.mail.yahoo.com> What MS did in recent years was they stopped issuing security updates for their older operating systems. So, while the licenses didn't expire, people who spent good money on Windows found that the only way to receive a "secure" version of Internet Explorer, etc. was to buy Windows XP. I just want you to be aware that unless this donor has unlimited access to licenses of all future MS operating systems, then you will be paying MS sooner or later. -Rob --- The Prof wrote: > In terms of > software, he has reassurred me that the licenses do > not expire for > non-profit organizations like us, so there will be > no need to > repurchase in the future. He is a trustworthy person > and he won't be > benefitting from this transaction at all (except > perhaps in the > spiritual sense :) ) so no reason to doubt his word. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From petre at maltzen.net Thu Apr 21 18:56:52 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 13:56:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Given this situation, why bother continue with LTSP? In-Reply-To: <20050421182213.GB9494@sonic.net> References: <20050421100113.55508.qmail@web41623.mail.yahoo.com> <4267B224.8010701@maltzen.net> <20050421182213.GB9494@sonic.net> Message-ID: <4267F774.2060105@maltzen.net> Be my guest. Bill Kendrick wrote: > On Thu, Apr 21, 2005 at 09:01:08AM -0500, Petre Scheie wrote: > >>There's also a subtle but important difference in the philosophical >>underpinnings of Linux vs. Windows: > > > > This is a most excellent posting. (I'm surprised noone else here > commented on it yet!) > > Petre, my LUG will soon be attending the Whole Earth Festival at UC Davis > in California [ http://www.lugod.org/projects/wef/ ] > (and we'll be holding some other events in the community). > > May I quote and/or paraphrase some of your so well-stated arguments in > our handouts for these events? :^) > > Thanks! > > -bill! > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From linuxk12 at mountainlake.k12.mn.us Thu Apr 21 19:15:00 2005 From: linuxk12 at mountainlake.k12.mn.us (linuxk12 at mountainlake.k12.mn.us) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 14:15:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Server Tuning Message-ID: <200504211915.j3LJF0sN023643@sv1.mountainlake.k12.mn.us> On Tue, Apr 19, 2005 at 03:07:25PM -0500, Owen O Donovan wrote: > Have you tried using iostat? You can find it in the sysstat rpm. > > iostat > gives you really great, humanly understandable, data on your disk subsys. iostat is new to me. I've been running it the last couole fo days with the "-x" paramenter to see all of the details. It looks like the useful stats for me are "avgqu-sz" which I interpret to be the number of requests waiting in the queue to be served and "await" which is the number of milliseconds an average request has to wait to be served. It looks like "await" is typically in the 50-100 range, but occasionally I see it at 30k (30 seconds assume, I since this is a measure of milli- seconds). Sometimes this number is much much higher, but perhaps it is a problem with the software dealing with a counter turnover or something like that. I have not had enough time to observe the iostat output to draw any conclusions or even to correlate them to the periods of time when the server is having diffuculty keeping up with things. > My reading from your description is that a single drive isn't adequate to > keep up with the demands. iostat should show that. What would you look for in iostat? Am I on the right track, being interested in avgqu-sz and await? > We run up to 60 (usu.30) concurrent smb sessions, about 10 - 20 afpd and > between 100 and 200 nfs sessions concurrently on 866MHz PIII machines w 512MB > RAM. The big difference is that we run software raid 5 for home across 4 or 5> disks. The sw RAID adds some CPU load peaking to 10-15% --easily managed by > the generally low CPU demands on a file server. I don't have much experience with RAID. I assume "sw RAID" means software RAID as opposed to "hw RAID" which would be hardware RAID. If I purchase a new server, wouldn't hw RAID be preferable over sw RAID? My current server doesn't have room for many more drives. Any pointers to further reading would be helpful. You also seem to imply that memory probably isn't a problem in this situation. On Tue, Apr 19, 2005 at 04:04:37PM -0500, Les Mikesell wrote: > The IMAP server may be part of the problem. If you have users with > lots of messages stored on the server you might want to switch to Cyrus > or at least make sure you have the current Dovecot server. I was not familiar with either of these IMAP/POP servers, so did some checking. Cyrus appears to really shine if you have many more than 100 simultaneous users. It uses its own database to manage email and can access it very efficiently. Dovecot focuses on security and performance. Dovecot looks easy to compile and install, so I have been playing with it a bit. The security features are making it a pain to set up. I've been running it in a debugger just to see what exactly is tripping it up. It's not quite a drop-in replacement for my current setup, so I'll have to set it aside for now. One consideration is that the mailbox file space is on a different drive than the user file space, so imap was never in contention for disk access, only CPU cycles. Thanks for your responses! -- Jon Harder Technology Coordinator Mountain Lake Public School Mountain Lake, Minnesota From spowers at inlandlakes.org Thu Apr 21 20:09:03 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 16:09:03 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OSX Help Message-ID: I'm sure I could google this question, and come up with a solution, but I thought I'd pose the question to folks that have similar setups to me. I currently use a linux box to share home directories via SAMBA, NFS, and Netatalk. I have an NIS domain that I use for authentication. Is there an elegant way to use the standard OSX login/security system to interact with such a setup? I don't want to have to install any proprietary OSX server stuff -- just to be able to use the regular OSX security, but have a login that mounts a /home share. I'm new in the world of OSX, so be gentle... :) Thanks for any pointers, -Shawn From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Thu Apr 21 20:23:43 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 15:23:43 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Given this situation, why bother continue with LTSP? In-Reply-To: References: <20050421100113.55508.qmail@web41623.mail.yahoo.com> <4267B224.8010701@maltzen.net> <1114098463.7727.65.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: Actually, if you don't need floppy access on those computers (and even if you do it is still doable. . .put the boot floppy into the floppy drive, slide the floppy drive back into the case and put the blanker back in. \ Out of sight - out of mind! Works for me! Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Thu, 21 Apr 2005, The Prof wrote: > Hmm...this is not good. Can anyone confirm that a Proliant server will > work with K12ltsp? And is anyone using PXE with the dell GX150s? We > are using floppies with our current setup, which is resulting in > confusion and some problems ("what's this disk in here..hmm..must be > old - I'll just toss it out" Even though they have written on them DO > NOT REMOVE!) > > Thanks, > Joseph > > On 4/21/05, Gary Frederick wrote: > > On Thu, 2005-04-21 at 11:14 -0400, The Prof wrote: > > > Hello again, > > > > > Details: I checked with the gentleman helping us, and the details of > > > the machines are: Dell GX150 as clients (PIII 1.1 Ghz, 256 MB Ram), > > > and a Proliant 5500 Pentium Pro Quad processor with 8 gig. In terms of > > > > FWIW > > > > I have a Proliant 6000 with 4 processors and a Proliant 2500 with 2 > > processors that I have NOT been able to get k12ltsp to run on > > yet!!! > > > > I like the suggestion to run both. It would be interesting to see what > > the users 'vote' for after they have been up for a while. > > > > Both is more administration... > > > > Gary > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Thu Apr 21 20:24:46 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 15:24:46 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Given this situation, why bother continue with LTSP? In-Reply-To: <20050421183100.4489.qmail@web41625.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050421183100.4489.qmail@web41625.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: YUP! Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Thu, 21 Apr 2005, Rob Owens wrote: > What MS did in recent years was they stopped issuing > security updates for their older operating systems. > So, while the licenses didn't expire, people who spent > good money on Windows found that the only way to > receive a "secure" version of Internet Explorer, etc. > was to buy Windows XP. > > I just want you to be aware that unless this donor has > unlimited access to licenses of all future MS > operating systems, then you will be paying MS sooner > or later. > > -Rob > > > --- The Prof wrote: > > In terms of > > software, he has reassurred me that the licenses do > > not expire for > > non-profit organizations like us, so there will be > > no need to > > repurchase in the future. He is a trustworthy person > > and he won't be > > benefitting from this transaction at all (except > > perhaps in the > > spiritual sense :) ) so no reason to doubt his word. > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Thu Apr 21 22:37:12 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 17:37:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Server Tuning In-Reply-To: <200504211915.j3LJF0sN023643@sv1.mountainlake.k12.mn.us> References: <200504211915.j3LJF0sN023643@sv1.mountainlake.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: <1114123032.31704.198.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2005-04-21 at 14:15, linuxk12 at mountainlake.k12.mn.us wrote: > iostat is new to me. I've been running it the last couole fo days > with the "-x" paramenter to see all of the details. It looks like > the useful stats for me are "avgqu-sz" which I interpret to be the > number of requests waiting in the queue to be served and "await" > which is the number of milliseconds an average request has to wait > to be served. Note also that when you install sysstat package it sets up timed statistics snapshots that you can examine with sar. > It looks like "await" is typically in the 50-100 range, but occasionally > I see it at 30k (30 seconds assume, I since this is a measure of milli- > seconds). Sometimes this number is much much higher, but perhaps it > is a problem with the software dealing with a counter turnover or something > like that. I once had a machine with a raid controller that would accept and queue thousands of commands - it worked great under normal conditions but once in a while it hit some kind of high-water mark in the queue and would not accept anything else until most of the command queue was completed, resulting in a several minute stall of the whole machine. > I was not familiar with either of these IMAP/POP servers, so did some > checking. Cyrus appears to really shine if you have many more than > 100 simultaneous users. It uses its own database to manage email and > can access it very efficiently. Dovecot focuses on security and > performance. > > Dovecot looks easy to compile and install, so I have been playing with > it a bit. The security features are making it a pain to set up. I've > been running it in a debugger just to see what exactly is tripping it up. > It's not quite a drop-in replacement for my current setup, so I'll have > to set it aside for now. What kind of problem are you having - and are you using Maildir or mailbox format? > One consideration is that the mailbox file space is on a different drive > than the user file space, so imap was never in contention for disk > access, only CPU cycles. The high load average makes it sound like a CPU problem and Cyrus or Dovecot would help by avoiding the index/sort on messages at each mailbox connection. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From missive at hotmail.com Thu Apr 21 22:44:21 2005 From: missive at hotmail.com (Lee Harr) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 03:14:21 +0430 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: The Gimp and printing Message-ID: >PROBLEM: Anything printed using the Gimp takes about two hours before >it even starts to print. In the mean time no other users can print. If >the Gimp file is put into OO word processor it is printed very quickly >on either printer. The quick printing also applies to drawings done in >Tux Paint. Image files done in the Gimp are averaging less than 100k >bytes What is being printed by the other programs has been as high as 3 >meg bytes. > >Does anyone have any suggestions as to why this is or what may be >required to fix it? I have never had much luck with "gimp-print" and usually end up saving from gimp and printing from something else (usually either konqueror or kview). You might try setting gimp to just print straight to the printer (try setting it to raw or lp) I just looked at my gimp setup and was surprised to see that I do not even have a File->Print option. So that shows how often I try to print from gimp :o) _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From arendsj at skokie69.k12.il.us Thu Apr 21 23:14:00 2005 From: arendsj at skokie69.k12.il.us (John Arends) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 18:14:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OSX Help Message-ID: This may be of interest: http://www.cs.dixie.edu/ldap/ >>> spowers at inlandlakes.org 04/21/05 3:09 PM >>> I'm sure I could google this question, and come up with a solution, but I thought I'd pose the question to folks that have similar setups to me. I currently use a linux box to share home directories via SAMBA, NFS, and Netatalk. I have an NIS domain that I use for authentication. Is there an elegant way to use the standard OSX login/security system to interact with such a setup? I don't want to have to install any proprietary OSX server stuff -- just to be able to use the regular OSX security, but have a login that mounts a /home share. I'm new in the world of OSX, so be gentle... :) Thanks for any pointers, -Shawn _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Apr 21 23:29:25 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 23:29:25 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Ubuntu question quick - Dave? Message-ID: <200504212221.j3LMLjx02843@downeast.net> looks like use a normal acct then sudo with no root pw unkess you want to add one > I just set up Ubuntu to try and build my first debain based server. I > tried actual debian but had trouble detecting hardware (Ubuntu went > without a catch). But now I can't log in as root and it never asked me > for a root password. Dave I figured you would know what I am missing > here being you're a current Ubuntu nut :-) > > Jim Kronebusch > Cotter Tech Department > 507-453-5188 > jim at winonacotter.org > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From datakid at gmail.com Fri Apr 22 00:17:08 2005 From: datakid at gmail.com (musicman) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 10:17:08 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Ubuntu question quick - Dave? In-Reply-To: <200504212221.j3LMLjx02843@downeast.net> References: <200504212221.j3LMLjx02843@downeast.net> Message-ID: <24261cd05042117176119a362@mail.gmail.com> In relation to this, I'm on the kubuntu list - this is how ubuntu works at the moment, but it getting a lot of flack from linux people, who are used to a root account. In (K)Ubuntu, there is a utility or system in the menu called "root terminal" from there you can log in with your personal password, or you can sudo, but there is no (currently) su or root account that is accessible.... Hope this helps L. On 4/22/05, cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > looks like use a normal acct then sudo with no root pw unkess you want to > add one > > > I just set up Ubuntu to try and build my first debain based server. I > > tried actual debian but had trouble detecting hardware (Ubuntu went > > without a catch). But now I can't log in as root and it never asked me > > for a root password. Dave I figured you would know what I am missing > > here being you're a current Ubuntu nut :-) > > > > Jim Kronebusch > > Cotter Tech Department > > 507-453-5188 > > jim at winonacotter.org > > > > > > -- > > This message has been scanned for viruses and > > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > --------------------------------------------- > This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > http://ellsworthme.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From hick518 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 22 00:18:15 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 17:18:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Given this situation, why bother continue with LTSP? In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050422001816.80859.qmail@web41611.mail.yahoo.com> Here are a couple links: http://techupdate.zdnet.com/techupdate/stories/main/0,14179,2907876-2,00.html "In the survey, Linux admin salaries were slightly higher than Windows admins, with Linux at $71,400 per admin, and Windows at $68,500 per admin. But Linux admins took care of an average of 44 servers and Windows admins an average of 10. So the salary per processing unit was Linux, $12,010, and Windows, $52,060." http://aplawrence.com/Opinion/joemckearnings.html "Programmer/analysts with Unix or Linux skills were able to command salaries at least 9% to 10% higher than their Windows counterparts." "CIOs made almost $135,000 a year at Unix sites, compared with $114,000 at Linux and $73,000 at Windows-only installations." I know I've seen plenty of articles about this over the past year, but I don't remember where. -Rob --- Doug Simpson wrote: > > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > DeQueen Public Schools > DeQueen, AR 71832 > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > Tux for President! > > On Thu, 21 Apr 2005, Rob Owens wrote: > > > 2 more comments: > > > > 1) If the parents think the children are being > > somehow handicapped by using Linux, they should be > > shown some of the articles I've seen on the > internet > > about the salaries of Linux admins vs. Windows > admins. > > URLs please!!!!! > > > > > 2) The basics of Linux do not change much. Since > I > > started learning how Linux works about a year and > a > > half ago, I truly feel that I am learning valuable > > information. More and more I feel that any time I > > spend to learn something in Windows is a waste of > my > > time. This is because every release of Windows > does > > something a little bit differently. I have had > > questions about how to set up my network in > Linux--I > > researched the internet, and found a how-to from > 10 > > years ago that still applies today. In my > estimation, > > time spent learning Linux is time well spent. > > > > -Rob > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Apr 22 00:43:53 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 19:43:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OSX Help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050422003845.M78113@winonacotter.org> > Is there an elegant way to use the standard OSX login/security > system to interact with such a setup? I don't want to have to > install any proprietary OSX server stuff -- just to be able to use > the regular OSX security, but have a login that mounts a /home share. I have setup OSX successfully to auth to the new SAMBA/LDAP package. No local accounts needed on OSX other than the admin account, but it will work in conjunction with local accounts as well. I will be using this on our whole campus next year and make the switch over the summer. It connects over LDAP and when you get your login screen in OSX it pulls from the Linux LDAP server. Upon login it mounts your home folder via nfs as the native OSX home folder locally. This gives you full roaming profiles with OSX! Very cool. If you are interested in going this way let me know and I'll document this. Currently it works with 10.3 and I will be updating this to be sure it works with 10.4 when my copy of that shows up in the next week or 2. I assume it will be similar to what is needed in 10.2 as well but there may be slight changes. Apple seems to be constantly updating the admin portion of LDAP. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Apr 22 00:48:49 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 19:48:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Ubuntu question quick - Dave? In-Reply-To: <200504212221.j3LMLjx02843@downeast.net> References: <200504212221.j3LMLjx02843@downeast.net> Message-ID: <20050422004458.M83183@winonacotter.org> > looks like use a normal acct then sudo with no root pw unkess you > want to add one Thanks Chuck. I found out that if I run sudo passwd root with a standard account I can enable a root password and it works. Musicman, I guess I don't really mind this being set this way. It just throws you for a quick loop when you get started. As long as it is made known it shouldn't be a problem. But I guess I don't really get how the Ubuntu guys think this is added security, although I am sure they have their reasons. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From datakid at gmail.com Fri Apr 22 00:59:24 2005 From: datakid at gmail.com (musicman) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 10:59:24 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Ubuntu question quick - Dave? In-Reply-To: <20050422004458.M83183@winonacotter.org> References: <200504212221.j3LMLjx02843@downeast.net> <20050422004458.M83183@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <24261cd0504211759134ffe7@mail.gmail.com> I've always found that running from sudo was "good practice", and root/su should be used as rarely as possible, adn I think they've taken that line - although the merit's of it are not universally accepted, I guess....it's probably a good way to be - I've thought of it as linux showing windows "how it's done" - people have to consciously move to sudo to do anything, hence, security is watertight.... L. On 4/22/05, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > looks like use a normal acct then sudo with no root pw unkess you > > want to add one > > Thanks Chuck. I found out that if I run sudo passwd root with a standard > account I can enable a root password and it works. > > Musicman, I guess I don't really mind this being set this way. It just throws > you for a quick loop when you get started. As long as it is made known it > shouldn't be a problem. But I guess I don't really get how the Ubuntu guys > think this is added security, although I am sure they have their reasons. > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ybjones at one.net Fri Apr 22 01:34:20 2005 From: ybjones at one.net (Yancey B. Jones) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 21:34:20 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Given this situation, why bother continue with LTSP? In-Reply-To: <42670E37.2040003@alltel.net> Message-ID: <20050422012807.ISFT1090.gx5.fuse.net@RBSSERVER> > >>HEY! Those make EXCELLENT Robot Brains!!!! > >> > >>Doug > >> > >> > > > >So do the Timex Sinclairs! > > > >-Yancey > > > > > > > I never had access to a Timex Sinclair to play with. My > brother had one but he never let me play with it much. . . > > Doug I recently picked up one off eBay to add to my classic computer collection. Once I get some Atari's then I will have all of the computers that I used as a youngster. Now I just need the room to set them all up. -Yancey From veewee77 at alltel.net Fri Apr 22 02:37:22 2005 From: veewee77 at alltel.net (Doug Simpson) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 21:37:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Given this situation, why bother continue with LTSP? In-Reply-To: <20050422001816.80859.qmail@web41611.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050422001816.80859.qmail@web41611.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42686362.7010803@alltel.net> Comment added . . . Read on. . . Rob Owens wrote: >Here are a couple links: > >http://techupdate.zdnet.com/techupdate/stories/main/0,14179,2907876-2,00.html >"In the survey, Linux admin salaries were slightly >higher than Windows admins, with Linux at $71,400 per >admin, and Windows at $68,500 per admin. But Linux >admins took care of an average of 44 servers and >Windows admins an average of 10. So the salary per >processing unit was Linux, $12,010, and Windows, >$52,060." > > This is because Windows Admins have so much to do, they only have *time* for 10 servers. . . The linux admins happily work on more servers because it is so much easier! Doug >http://aplawrence.com/Opinion/joemckearnings.html >"Programmer/analysts with Unix or Linux skills were >able to command salaries at least 9% to 10% higher >than their Windows counterparts." >"CIOs made almost $135,000 a year at Unix sites, >compared with $114,000 at Linux and $73,000 at >Windows-only installations." > >I know I've seen plenty of articles about this over >the past year, but I don't remember where. > >-Rob > > >--- Doug Simpson wrote: > > >>Doug Simpson >>Technology Specialist >>DeQueen Public Schools >>DeQueen, AR 71832 >>simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >>Tux for President! >> >>On Thu, 21 Apr 2005, Rob Owens wrote: >> >> >> >>>2 more comments: >>> >>>1) If the parents think the children are being >>>somehow handicapped by using Linux, they should be >>>shown some of the articles I've seen on the >>> >>> >>internet >> >> >>>about the salaries of Linux admins vs. Windows >>> >>> >>admins. >> >>URLs please!!!!! >> >> >> >>>2) The basics of Linux do not change much. Since >>> >>> >>I >> >> >>>started learning how Linux works about a year and >>> >>> >>a >> >> >>>half ago, I truly feel that I am learning valuable >>>information. More and more I feel that any time I >>>spend to learn something in Windows is a waste of >>> >>> >>my >> >> >>>time. This is because every release of Windows >>> >>> >>does >> >> >>>something a little bit differently. I have had >>>questions about how to set up my network in >>> >>> >>Linux--I >> >> >>>researched the internet, and found a how-to from >>> >>> >>10 >> >> >>>years ago that still applies today. In my >>> >>> >>estimation, >> >> >>>time spent learning Linux is time well spent. >>> >>>-Rob >>> >>>__________________________________________________ >>>Do You Yahoo!? >>>Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam >>> >>> >>protection around >> >> >>>http://mail.yahoo.com >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Apr 22 03:39:53 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 23:39:53 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Ubuntu question quick - Dave? In-Reply-To: <24261cd0504211759134ffe7@mail.gmail.com> References: <200504212221.j3LMLjx02843@downeast.net> < > <20050422004458.M83183@winonacotter.org> <24261cd0504211759134ffe7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Jim, Not sure if you solved this, but you can enable the ability to log in via gdm as root. In the GUI....in Gnome...in the Security tab in Login prefs you can check a box to allow root to log in. Be sure to set the password first with sudo passwd root. Sorry so slow getting back to you....I was in Boston (again) this time for R&R with the family....took in a Red Sox game and so forth. Bought a couple Linux Books at Borders though. Bought the O'Reilly "Knoppix Hacks" as I want to learn more about rolling my own version. I also got a book on Debian as I plan to start exploring that a lot more. musicman on Thursday, April 21, 2005 at 8:59 PM +0000 wrote: >I've always found that running from sudo was "good practice", and >root/su should be used as rarely as possible, adn I think they've >taken that line - although the merit's of it are not universally >accepted, I guess....it's probably a good way to be - I've thought of >it as linux showing windows "how it's done" - people have to >consciously move to sudo to do anything, >hence, security is watertight.... >L. > >On 4/22/05, Jim Kronebusch wrote: >> > looks like use a normal acct then sudo with no root pw unkess you >> > want to add one >> >> Thanks Chuck. I found out that if I run sudo passwd root with a >standard >> account I can enable a root password and it works. >> >> Musicman, I guess I don't really mind this being set this way. It just >throws >> you for a quick loop when you get started. As long as it is made known >it >> shouldn't be a problem. But I guess I don't really get how the Ubuntu >guys >> think this is added security, although I am sure they have their >reasons. >> David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Apr 22 03:43:15 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 23:43:15 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] batch adding users In-Reply-To: <1113998674.4266455272892@www.msad41.us> References: <1113998674.4266455272892@www.msad41.us> Message-ID: John....try this script....I've used it many times....works great! It's called createusers.....find it here..... http://directory.fsf.org/All_Packages_in_Directory/createusers.html David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Apr 22 03:50:40 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 23:50:40 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Given this situation, why bother continue with LTSP? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The Prof on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 at 2:15 PM +0000 wrote: >Given that the major driving force which helped me discover LTSP was >the ability to afford Windows, with that roadblock gone, what reason >is there not to go with Windows? Take the freebies....use both! More access all around. Granted, much as I hate to deal with Windows....it's hard to turn down the freebies....if it were me....I'd run both side by side....given that 80% of the use (number is probably higher) is to access the internet....doesn't matter what you use (excepting of course...viruses, spyware...etc.) You should insist that the machines come with fully functional anti-virus and anti-spyware...all paid for...etc. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Apr 22 03:57:04 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 23:57:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Given this situation, why bother continue with LTSP? In-Reply-To: <20050420145220.27d3df8e@linuxbox> References: < > <20050420145220.27d3df8e@linuxbox> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 at 2:52 PM +0000 wrote: >As another note, it drives me nuts, as an educator, when I hear people >say that "my child will be at a disadvantage cause he/she is not >learning Windows" UGH, what a stupid arguement. In High School I took >a computer course, and a "college writing" course. The computer course >was designed COMPLETELY around Window 3.1 and DOS. The college Writing >course include a HUGE amount of time teaching WordPerfect 5.1 I college >I took a course called "DOS, Windows, and The Internet", I was designed >as a "intro" course on how to use the computer. It was based on using >DOS (as the name), Windows 3.11, and Gopher, the Internet as we know it >(www) was just 1 chapter in this HUGE book, and not even covered in >class. -- I don't use any of these anymore, and the same goes for their >child. I am sure this goes for many of the people on this list. How >many of you accually were "schooled" with your current computer >system??????? I agree...that's a tupiud argument on the part of the parent (you can tell them I said so). Use this analogy....When they (the parent) learned how to drive...did they learn on a Ford? A Chevy? Did that affect whether or not they could drive a Toyota? A Honda? NO! A car is a car....just as a computer is a computer....granted there are differences, but the concepts are the same from OS to OS....teach the concepts. Windows XP will not be around when they get into high school. Teaching them an OS now is dumb. Think back to today's current 8th graders and what they were using in kindergarten....it wasn't XP....in fact it may not have even been Win 95! The Internet? Probably not... So much changes so fast, that what we teach today is irrelevant tomorrow...unless we focus on the concepts. I didn't even have a computer when I was growing up...and I'm doing fine...with any OS. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Apr 22 03:57:04 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 23:57:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Given this situation, why bother continue with LTSP? In-Reply-To: <20050420145220.27d3df8e@linuxbox> References: < > <20050420145220.27d3df8e@linuxbox> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 at 2:52 PM +0000 wrote: >As another note, it drives me nuts, as an educator, when I hear people >say that "my child will be at a disadvantage cause he/she is not >learning Windows" UGH, what a stupid arguement. In High School I took >a computer course, and a "college writing" course. The computer course >was designed COMPLETELY around Window 3.1 and DOS. The college Writing >course include a HUGE amount of time teaching WordPerfect 5.1 I college >I took a course called "DOS, Windows, and The Internet", I was designed >as a "intro" course on how to use the computer. It was based on using >DOS (as the name), Windows 3.11, and Gopher, the Internet as we know it >(www) was just 1 chapter in this HUGE book, and not even covered in >class. -- I don't use any of these anymore, and the same goes for their >child. I am sure this goes for many of the people on this list. How >many of you accually were "schooled" with your current computer >system??????? I agree...that's a tupiud argument on the part of the parent (you can tell them I said so). Use this analogy....When they (the parent) learned how to drive...did they learn on a Ford? A Chevy? Did that affect whether or not they could drive a Toyota? A Honda? NO! A car is a car....just as a computer is a computer....granted there are differences, but the concepts are the same from OS to OS....teach the concepts. Windows XP will not be around when they get into high school. Teaching them an OS now is dumb. Think back to today's current 8th graders and what they were using in kindergarten....it wasn't XP....in fact it may not have even been Win 95! The Internet? Probably not... So much changes so fast, that what we teach today is irrelevant tomorrow...unless we focus on the concepts. I didn't even have a computer when I was growing up...and I'm doing fine...with any OS. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Apr 22 03:59:22 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 23:59:22 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Given this situation, why bother continue with LTSP? In-Reply-To: <1114028047.23037.33.camel@tardis.london.volnet> References: <20050420192928.66799.qmail@web88204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> < > <1114028047.23037.33.camel@tardis.london.volnet> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 at 4:14 PM +0000 wrote: >This is a common argument for using only Microsoft software. I was just >today arguing with a friend who works as a sysadmin at a very rich >private school. > >Aside from simply being able to afford to be an all Microsoft shop, one >of the reasons they stick with it is so that nearly anyone will be able >to work on the network should something happen to him. I think that's a >horrible way to think as it leads to mediocrity. > >That argument may have been valid 10 years ago, but not any longer. Amen....in fact...there are more Linux geeks graduating from college than Windows geeks. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Apr 22 04:02:21 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 00:02:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Planning for Next Year In-Reply-To: <4266C585.3070907@honeygroveisd.net> References: <4266C585.3070907@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 at 5:11 PM +0000 wrote: >Could this machine serve has >both my K12LTSP server AND my Samba/LDAP server? Short answer....YES. Exeter NH does just that.....K12LTSP and Samba/LDAP on the same machine. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Apr 22 04:02:21 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 00:02:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Planning for Next Year In-Reply-To: <4266C585.3070907@honeygroveisd.net> References: <4266C585.3070907@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 at 5:11 PM +0000 wrote: >Could this machine serve has >both my K12LTSP server AND my Samba/LDAP server? Short answer....YES. Exeter NH does just that.....K12LTSP and Samba/LDAP on the same machine. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From sudev at mantraonline.com Fri Apr 22 04:21:22 2005 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 09:51:22 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Cron Problem for squidGuard - LTSP 4.0.2 (FC3) In-Reply-To: <4267D849.7040503@lcsd.k12.wa.us> References: <4267D849.7040503@lcsd.k12.wa.us> Message-ID: <1114143682.31256.7.camel@server.ltsp> On Thu, 2005-04-21 at 09:43 -0700, Dan Bentson-Royal wrote: > I seem to be having trouble running a daily cron job. This seems to be > the only job that has trouble - nothing else has the "BAD FILE MODE" > comment. Many files need to be set with mode 600 or 644. Try setting 644 mode for squidGaurd, like certwatch is set in your directory listing snipped below. [SNIP] > [root at localhost ~]# ls -l /etc/cron.daily/ > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 797 Oct 19 2004 certwatch > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 56 Apr 16 20:00 squidGuard HTH -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Fri Apr 22 08:40:42 2005 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 08:40:42 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Ubuntu question quick - Dave? In-Reply-To: <24261cd0504211759134ffe7@mail.gmail.com> References: <200504212221.j3LMLjx02843@downeast.net> <20050422004458.M83183@winonacotter.org> <24261cd0504211759134ffe7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200504220840.43013.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> On Friday 22 April 2005 00:59, musicman wrote: > I've always found that running from sudo was "good practice", and > root/su should be used as rarely as possible, adn I think they've > taken that line - although the merit's of it are not universally > accepted, I guess....it's probably a good way to be - I've thought of > it as linux showing windows "how it's done" - people have to > consciously move to sudo to do anything, > hence, security is watertight.... except that you soon get very tired of prefixing each command with sudo, so you issue the command "su -s -H" which brings up the root shell, so you can just enter commands normally. IMHO, if they were really serious about security they would have come up with something like smit which runs on AIX. For those who don't know it is a menu driven environment that makes it easier to do all of your system admin tasks. Yes you can still use the command line but you encourage each administrator to do things under smit. Why? It has an audit log built in, so that you can see exactly what has been done in your absence. -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From gary.frederick at jsoft.com Fri Apr 22 10:53:41 2005 From: gary.frederick at jsoft.com (Gary Frederick) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 05:53:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Given this situation, why bother continue with LTSP? In-Reply-To: <20050421120203.1d3ddc35@linuxbox> References: <20050421100113.55508.qmail@web41623.mail.yahoo.com> <4267B224.8010701@maltzen.net> <20050421120203.1d3ddc35@linuxbox> Message-ID: <1114167221.3391.15.camel@server.ltsp> On Thu, 2005-04-21 at 12:02 -0400, Kevin Squire wrote: > > (2) Get the correct boot floppy for your NIC over at > http://rom-o-matic.net/ Then make a few of these and stick on in each > floppy drive, with a few spares laying around. Boot the machines from > them. Make sure you do the advance option and change the port # for > DHCP if your LTSP server is using a different DHCP port. This is > probably not the best option, but the quickest/easiest to start/least > destructive if you can't do option 1. I found it much much easier to make universal boot floppys. Here is what Les Mikesell wrote back the first of Feb of this year. Did you find the 'universal' boot floppy images? I've had good luck with the one from the thinstation project: http://thinstation.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/ThDownload? PHPSESSID=19f927781effaed087099784484f7ee8 (follow the 'universal network boot floppy' link near the bottom of the page. Hmmm??? I think the documentation for k12ltsp should be updated to suggest the thinstation project's 'universal' boot floppy images first. IF it's a good idea, I'll help update the docs (and finally contribute more than questions ;-) ) Gary From richard at richardljohnson.com Fri Apr 22 10:56:14 2005 From: richard at richardljohnson.com (Richard Johnson) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 05:56:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Given this situation, why bother continue with LTSP? In-Reply-To: <42686362.7010803@alltel.net> References: <20050422001816.80859.qmail@web41611.mail.yahoo.com> <42686362.7010803@alltel.net> Message-ID: <4268D84E.40205@richardljohnson.com> OK...given this I have 28 MS servers and 12 Linux servers (and 350 desktops)....so using this I should be making $211,273! I want to know where my EXTRA MONEY IS!!!!!!! Richard- PS: I do spend an average of 3 hours a week on my Linux systems (total) and the rest on the MS systems...MS and time management DO NOT go together! Doug Simpson wrote: > Comment added . . . Read on. . . > > Rob Owens wrote: > >> Here are a couple links: >> >> http://techupdate.zdnet.com/techupdate/stories/main/0,14179,2907876-2,00.html >> >> "In the survey, Linux admin salaries were slightly >> higher than Windows admins, with Linux at $71,400 per >> admin, and Windows at $68,500 per admin. But Linux >> admins took care of an average of 44 servers and >> Windows admins an average of 10. So the salary per >> processing unit was Linux, $12,010, and Windows, >> $52,060." >> >> > This is because Windows Admins have so much to do, they only have > *time* for 10 servers. . . The linux admins happily work on more > servers because it is so much easier! > > Doug > >> http://aplawrence.com/Opinion/joemckearnings.html >> "Programmer/analysts with Unix or Linux skills were >> able to command salaries at least 9% to 10% higher >> than their Windows counterparts." >> "CIOs made almost $135,000 a year at Unix sites, >> compared with $114,000 at Linux and $73,000 at >> Windows-only installations." >> >> I know I've seen plenty of articles about this over >> the past year, but I don't remember where. >> >> -Rob >> >> >> --- Doug Simpson wrote: >> >> >>> Doug Simpson >>> Technology Specialist >>> DeQueen Public Schools >>> DeQueen, AR 71832 >>> simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >>> Tux for President! >>> >>> On Thu, 21 Apr 2005, Rob Owens wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> 2 more comments: >>>> >>>> 1) If the parents think the children are being >>>> somehow handicapped by using Linux, they should be >>>> shown some of the articles I've seen on the >>>> >>> >>> internet >>> >>> >>>> about the salaries of Linux admins vs. Windows >>>> >>> >>> admins. >>> >>> URLs please!!!!! >>> >>> >>> >>>> 2) The basics of Linux do not change much. Since >>>> >>> >>> I >>> >>> >>>> started learning how Linux works about a year and >>>> >>> >>> a >>> >>> >>>> half ago, I truly feel that I am learning valuable >>>> information. More and more I feel that any time I >>>> spend to learn something in Windows is a waste of >>>> >>> >>> my >>> >>> >>>> time. This is because every release of Windows >>>> >>> >>> does >>> >>> >>>> something a little bit differently. I have had >>>> questions about how to set up my network in >>>> >>> >>> Linux--I >>> >>> >>>> researched the internet, and found a how-to from >>>> >>> >>> 10 >>> >>> >>>> years ago that still applies today. In my >>>> >>> >>> estimation, >>> >>> >>>> time spent learning Linux is time well spent. >>>> >>>> -Rob >>>> >>>> __________________________________________________ >>>> Do You Yahoo!? >>>> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam >>>> >>> >>> protection around >>> >>>> http://mail.yahoo.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> For more info see >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >>> >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us Fri Apr 22 12:38:35 2005 From: schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us (Jimmy Schwankl) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 08:38:35 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: OSX Help Message-ID: <71AB9BAF-B32B-11D9-A059-000A95C48860@chatham.k12.nc.us> Jim Kronenbusch wrote: > I have setup OSX successfully to auth to the new SAMBA/LDAP package. > No local > accounts needed on OSX other than the admin account, but it will work > in > conjunction with local accounts as well. I will be using this on our > whole > campus next year and make the switch over the summer. > > It connects over LDAP and when you get your login screen in OSX it > pulls from > the Linux LDAP server. Upon login it mounts your home folder via nfs > as the > native OSX home folder locally. This gives you full roaming profiles > with > OSX! Very cool. > > If you are interested in going this way let me know and I'll document > this. > Currently it works with 10.3 and I will be updating this to be sure it > works > with 10.4 when my copy of that shows up in the next week or 2. I > assume it > will be similar to what is needed in 10.2 as well but there may be > slight > changes. Apple seems to be constantly updating the admin portion of > LDAP. Jim, I'm very interested in going that way. Any documentation you can give in that regards would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Jimmy Schwankl **This message was sent from the Chatham County Schools Mail Server** *****All e-mail correspondence to and from this address is subject to the North Carolina Public Records Law, which may result in monitoring and disclosure to third parties, including law enforcement.***** From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Apr 22 12:43:37 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 08:43:37 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: OSX Help In-Reply-To: <71AB9BAF-B32B-11D9-A059-000A95C48860@chatham.k12.nc.us> References: <71AB9BAF-B32B-11D9-A059-000A95C48860@chatham.k12.nc.us> Message-ID: <4268F179.9040406@inlandlakes.org> Jimmy Schwankl wrote: > I'm very interested in going that way. Any documentation you can give > in that regards would be greatly appreciated. No way! I asked first! ;o) hehehe -- seriously, Jim K -- that'd be wonderful information to have. Thank you in advance, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From henryhartley at westat.com Fri Apr 22 13:42:00 2005 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 09:42:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.2.1 Message-ID: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D1C1FB5@MAILBE2.westat.com> A friend asked if I had a set of FC3 CDs he could borrow. I told him I had this think called K12LTSP but that it would give him an FC3 install with a few possible extras if he wanted them. This is for use on a stand-alone workstation, not a server. My question for the list is, should I give him 4.2.0 CDs or should I burn discs of 4.2.1? I know 4.2.1 is still not officially released but it sounds pretty close. If I understand correctly, 4.2.1 is based on FC3, just like 4.2.0 but has many of the updates that have been release since the FC3 release. Is that right? Is there anything else of significance I need to know about 4.2.1? -- Henry From les at futuresource.com Fri Apr 22 14:42:09 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 09:42:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.2.1 In-Reply-To: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D1C1FB5@MAILBE2.westat.com> References: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D1C1FB5@MAILBE2.westat.com> Message-ID: <1114180929.18802.2.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2005-04-22 at 08:42, Henry Hartley wrote: > My question for the list is, > should I give him 4.2.0 CDs or should I burn discs of 4.2.1? If he does a 'yum update' after the install he should end up with the same thing either way, but the update will take a very long time starting from 4.2.0 or FC3.. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Apr 22 15:02:17 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 10:02:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Ubuntu question quick - Dave? In-Reply-To: References: <200504212221.j3LMLjx02843@downeast.net> < > <20050422004458.M83183@winonacotter.org> <24261cd0504211759134ffe7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20050422145854.M77980@winonacotter.org> > Not sure if you solved this, but you can enable the ability to log > in via gdm as root. In the GUI....in Gnome...in the Security tab in > Login prefs you can check a box to allow root to log in. Be sure to > set the password first with sudo passwd root. Sorry so slow getting > back to you....I was in Boston (again) this time for R&R with the > family....took in a Red Sox game and so No problem. I haven't even tried logging into a gui yet. This will be a mail only server so I haven't even installed a gui. All admin will be done through a remote ssh connection. But when I do this is a good tip. Time with the family is always a good thing. I make sure to stay away from my email when I am on vacation as well, otherwise I get some stern looks from my wife :-) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Apr 22 15:18:26 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 10:18:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: OSX Help In-Reply-To: <71AB9BAF-B32B-11D9-A059-000A95C48860@chatham.k12.nc.us> References: <71AB9BAF-B32B-11D9-A059-000A95C48860@chatham.k12.nc.us> Message-ID: <20050422151047.M25910@winonacotter.org> > I'm very interested in going that way. Any documentation you can > give in that regards would be greatly appreciated. First off download the SAMBA/LDAP installer script from here: http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/smbldap/ and follow the directions to get the base SAMBA/LDAP server setup. By the time you have that done hopefully I'll have the documentation ready to setup OSX to auth to it. The instructions are very simple to follow and the script handles everything to get this setup, works awesome (Thanks again Dave and Matt). Unless this has been updated don't forget to change to /opt/IDEALX or whatever before you run your useradd scripts and such. This seems to hang up everyone at least once :-) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jritchie at bible.edu Fri Apr 22 15:30:52 2005 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Josiah Ritchie) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 11:30:52 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Given this situation, why bother continue with LTSP? In-Reply-To: <96df2e0b05042109001ac37ab@mail.gmail.com> References: <20050421100113.55508.qmail@web41623.mail.yahoo.com> <4267B224.8010701@maltzen.net> <1114098463.7727.65.camel@server.ltsp> <96df2e0b05042109001ac37ab@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1114183852.20993.60.camel@penguin> On Thu, 2005-04-21 at 17:00 +0100, Jon Spriggs wrote: > Also... Dell's have a tendancy to use 810i hardware (at least the GX > boxes we've had) which are a pain in the rear to get working in X. Not anymore, if you run a 2.6 kernel (or newer 2.4). I'm using one fully as I type. Sound, video and all. It really wasn't that much of a mess. Granted, I'm not running LTSP on this machine, but it should follow. I'd be willing to share my configs. Email me directly as I might miss a list post. JSR/ From jritchie at bible.edu Fri Apr 22 15:35:02 2005 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Josiah Ritchie) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 11:35:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Given this situation, why bother continue with LTSP? In-Reply-To: References: <20050421100113.55508.qmail@web41623.mail.yahoo.com> <4267B224.8010701@maltzen.net> <1114098463.7727.65.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <1114184102.20993.64.camel@penguin> On Thu, 2005-04-21 at 15:23 -0500, Doug Simpson wrote: > Actually, if you don't need floppy access on those computers (and even if > you do it is still doable. . .put the boot floppy into the floppy drive, > slide the floppy drive back into the case and put the blanker back in. > \ > Out of sight - out of mind! > > Works for me! Alternately, you can install the boot image on the harddrive. It is a different image, but works and you don't need much of a hard drive for it. This can also be used to dual-boot the machine. Way-back in the list archives (or maybe on the LTSP archive) someone successfully did this. I figure a floppy is more likely to go bad than an hd, especially with infrequent use. JSR/ From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Apr 22 15:36:05 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 08:36:05 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.2.1 In-Reply-To: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D1C1FB5@MAILBE2.westat.com> References: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D1C1FB5@MAILBE2.westat.com> Message-ID: <426919E5.9040305@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Henry Hartley wrote: > A friend asked if I had a set of FC3 CDs he could borrow. I told him I > had this think called K12LTSP but that it would give him an FC3 install > with a few possible extras if he wanted them. This is for use on a > stand-alone workstation, not a server. My question for the list is, > should I give him 4.2.0 CDs or should I burn discs of 4.2.1? I know > 4.2.1 is still not officially released but it sounds pretty close. If I > understand correctly, 4.2.1 is based on FC3, just like 4.2.0 but has > many of the updates that have been release since the FC3 release. Is > that right? Is there anything else of significance I need to know about > 4.2.1? > I'm done with 4.2.1. I'll be putting out an announcement in a little bit after I finish putting out a few fires. Here is the preliminary change log: http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/4.2.1/CHANGELOG and the ISOs... ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.1/iso/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP/* . ftp://sunsite.utk.edu/pub/linux/k12ltsp/4.2.1/iso/ http://sunsite.utk.edu/ftp/pub/linux/k12ltsp/4.2.1/iso/ -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This seems to be > the only job that has trouble - nothing else has the "BAD FILE MODE" > comment. > > I googled the problem and found a suggestion that BAD FILE MODE probably > means permissions trouble - but when I checked, it all looks fine. I'm > looking for suggestions on how to proceed. > > Here is the error message from my cron log: > [root at localhost ~]# more /var/log/cron | grep squidGuard > Apr 18 17:11:31 localhost crond[2125]: (*system*) BAD FILE MODE > (/etc/cron.d/squidGuard) > Apr 19 11:11:11 localhost crond[2288]: (*system*) BAD FILE MODE > (/etc/cron.d/squidGuard) > Apr 19 11:17:39 localhost crond[2371]: (*system*) BAD FILE MODE > (/etc/cron.d/squidGuard) > Apr 19 13:29:07 localhost crond[2190]: (*system*) BAD FILE MODE > (/etc/cron.d/squidGuard) > [root at localhost ~]# ls -l /etc/cron.daily/ > total 92 > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 418 Nov 19 12:21 00-makewhatis.cron > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 135 Aug 18 2004 00webalizer > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 276 Sep 28 2004 0anacron > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 797 Oct 19 2004 certwatch > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 180 Oct 19 2004 logrotate > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2133 Nov 23 07:29 prelink > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 104 Nov 1 18:54 rpm > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 82 Oct 20 2004 slocate.cron > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 56 Apr 16 20:00 squidGuard > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 286 Aug 13 2004 tmpwatch > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 136 Feb 21 07:38 yum.cron > [root at localhost ~]# > On another list, someone asked to see the contents of squidGuard in > /etc/cron.daily/ and /etc/cron.d/squidGuard - so I am including them > here as well. > > ---begin clip--- > [root at localhost ~]# more /etc/cron.daily/squidGuard > #!/bin/bash > nice /usr/sbin/update_squidguard_blacklists > [root at localhost ~]# nice /usr/sbin/update_squidguard_blacklists > [root at localhost ~]# more /etc/cron.d/squidGuard > /etc/cron.d/squidGuard: No such file or directory > [root at localhost ~]# tail -n 100 /usr/sbin/update_squidguard_blacklists > #!/bin/sh > > TARGET=/var/squidGuard/blacklists > > cd $TARGET || exit > > # only run if squidGuard is active! > [ "`ps auxw | grep squid[G]uard`" ] || exit > > rsync -az squidguard.mesd.k12.or.us::filtering $TARGET > > for DIR in `ls $TARGET` > do > if [ -f $DIR/domains.include ] > then > TMP=$RANDOM > cat $DIR/domains $DIR/domains.include | sort | uniq > > $DIR/domains.$TMP > mv -f $DIR/domains.$TMP $DIR/domains > fi > if [ -f $DIR/urls.include ] > then > TMP=$RANDOM > cat $DIR/urls $DIR/urls.include | sort | uniq > > $DIR/urls.$TMP > mv -f $DIR/urls.$TMP $DIR/urls > fi > done > > /usr/sbin/squidGuard -c /etc/squid/squidGuard.conf -C all > # /usr/sbin/squidGuard -c /etc/squid/squidGuard.conf -u > > chown -R squid.squid $TARGET > chown -R squid.squid /var/log/squidGuard/ > > sleep 5s > > /usr/bin/killall -HUP squid > I am running LTSP 4.2.0 - FC3 > > Any suggestions as to where the problem lies? > -- > ***NOTE*** > Whenever you make a request for LCSD technical assistance, please be > sure to report this problem to our helpdesk at: > http://help1.lcsd.k12.wa.us/helpdesk/ > > Dan Bentson-Royal > La Center Schools > > What are employers looking for in an employee? > > Come to work every day and be on time. > Make smart decisions. > Follow directions. > Concentrate on your work and care about the quality of your work. > Read, write, and calculate well. > Recognize problems and find solutions. > Finish a job when you're supposed to without sacrificing quality. > Be honest and dependable. > Take the lead and work hard. > Communicate well and get along with other people...especially > customers. > Dress properly and practice good grooming. > Be cooperative. > Have a positive attitude. > > From the Northwest Pennsylvania Industrial Resource Center, Inc. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Fri Apr 22 18:20:46 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 12:20:46 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Given this situation, why bother continue with LTSP? In-Reply-To: <20050422001816.80859.qmail@web41611.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050422001816.80859.qmail@web41611.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4269407E.10306@elp.rr.com> SNIPPET: <>1) If the parents think the children are being > > somehow handicapped by using Linux, they should be > > shown some of the articles I've seen on the internet From a teachers point of view the thought that students are being handicapped is pure bunk. My students routinely change operating system without even blinking. They use K12LTSP Linux in school, e-mail work to themselves, continue working on it in Windows at home, send it back to themselves, and the next school day just keep on keepin' on. Also their ability to change platforms is not limited to Linux and Windows but also to MAC OS versions 5 through 10. 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Granted, much as > I hate to deal with Windows....it's hard to turn down the freebies....if > it were me....I'd run both side by side....given that 80% of the use > (number is probably higher) is to access the internet....doesn't matter > what you use (excepting of course...viruses, spyware...etc.) You should > insist that the machines come with fully functional anti-virus and > anti-spyware...all paid for...etc. and it might be courtous to let them know up front that the moment they start asking for $$ for updates/licenses etc etc, that you will be deleting the windows stuff... 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They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From dalen at czexan.net Fri Apr 22 18:41:52 2005 From: dalen at czexan.net (Dale Sykora) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 13:41:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] slashdot discussion, MS -vs- OOo in schools Message-ID: <42694570.7040105@czexan.net> I thought some list members might want to chime in on this /. thread (similar to the recent "Given this situation..." thread). http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/04/20/1753225&tid=146&tid=102&tid=201&tid=4 From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Fri Apr 22 19:07:34 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 12:07:34 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Problem with IBM Netvista P3/1GHz as LTSP Client Message-ID: I'm supposed to help a public school install k12ltsp next week and they have 25 x IBM Netvista p3/1ghz machines, model 6579-RAU. They sent me a sample unit, and I cannot get it to boot up to my k12ltsp server. 1. PXE boot mode doesn't do anything, passes by it quickly. 2. Installed (original) Intel PCI nic, when booting from a boot floppy, stops at "Checking 'hlt' instruction..." 3. 3Com 3C905-TX card that I know and love and use all the time stops at the same place. I've updated the bios on the machine to the latest version. Before I did that, sometimes the workstation has stopped at "mounting root filesystem: /opt/..." and sometimes at "Running dhcpcd on port 67." Now the error is more consistent, but every once in a while the machine reboots in the middle of the startup. This is not one of the IBM Netvista "thin client" boxes, but a regular PC. Anyone have any ideas or experience with this same issue? Thanks, Steve -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct From ascensiontech at gmail.com Fri Apr 22 19:56:05 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Ascension Tech) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 15:56:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] tuxpaint printing In-Reply-To: <20050421180334.GA9494@sonic.net> References: <9bd317560504202026791a95ec@mail.gmail.com> <20050421180334.GA9494@sonic.net> Message-ID: <9bd317560504221256467a53db@mail.gmail.com> Hey Bill, I tried kprinter but it was a little unstable with tuxpaint. I endded up just using lpr -P [my printer] in the config and it works great. Should have learned the CLI way first I guess. Thanks, Peter On 4/21/05, Bill Kendrick wrote: > On Wed, Apr 20, 2005 at 11:26:31PM -0400, Ascension Tech wrote: > > Tuxpaint seems to automatically print to the default printer. Can I > > hard code it to print to a specific printer that's not the default? I > > tried changing to printcfg=No in tuxpaint.conf but get the same > > result. I wish this program would ask me where I want to print to > > like most others do. Is there a way to force this? > > You may be able to take advantage of kprinter, or be able to set > the "printcmd" line in the config to hard-code some options into the 'lpr' > command (or whatever you want/need to use). > > 'zat help? > > -bill! > From nbs at sonic.net Fri Apr 22 20:33:17 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 13:33:17 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] tuxpaint printing In-Reply-To: <9bd317560504221256467a53db@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560504202026791a95ec@mail.gmail.com> <20050421180334.GA9494@sonic.net> <9bd317560504221256467a53db@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20050422203317.GA32703@sonic.net> On Fri, Apr 22, 2005 at 03:56:05PM -0400, Ascension Tech wrote: > Hey Bill, > I tried kprinter but it was a little unstable with tuxpaint. I endded > up just using lpr -P [my printer] in the config and it works great. > Should have learned the CLI way first I guess. Heh :^) (Well, there is also 'tuxpaint-config', which has a GUI interface for typing in the 'printcmd' option. But, yeah) -bill! From nbs at sonic.net Fri Apr 22 20:38:34 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 13:38:34 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: The Gimp and printing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050422203834.GB32703@sonic.net> On Fri, Apr 22, 2005 at 03:14:21AM +0430, Lee Harr wrote: > You might try setting gimp to just print straight to the printer (try > setting it to raw or lp) I just looked at my gimp setup and was > surprised to see that I do not even have a File->Print option. > So that shows how often I try to print from gimp :o) Well, from the toolbox, there won't be a "Print" option, since, what, do you want to print the toolbox? ;^) It would be the "File" menu in a particular image's window. (In Gimp 2.x, there's finally a menu bar across the top. In all versions of Gimp, right-clicking the canvas brings up a pop-up menu with the various menus, including "File".) Under there, you'll find "Print" hiding. :) -- -bill! bill at newbreedsoftware.com Tonight's Forecast: Dark. Continued darkness http://newbreedsoftware.com/ until widely scattered light in the morning. From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Apr 22 20:57:06 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 13:57:06 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP v4.2.1 Offcially Released Message-ID: <42696522.9070909@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> At long last, the final release of K12LTSP v4.2.1 is available for download. The mirrors are (mostly) synced up for your downloading pleasure: Pacific US: (Multnomah ESD) ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.1/iso/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP/ . Central US: (University of Tennessee ? Knoxville) http://sunsite.utk.edu/ftp/pub/linux/k12ltsp/4.2.1/iso/ Eastern US: (Webtrek) ftp://ftp.webtrek.com/pub/mirrors/K12LTSP/ Europe: (Vienna University of Technology) [update in progress!] ftp://gd.tuwien.ac.at/opsys/linux/k12ltsp/4.2.1/iso/ http://gd.tuwien.ac.at/opsys/linux/k12ltsp/4.2.1/iso rsync -Pav gd.tuwien.ac.at::linux/k12ltsp/4.2.1/iso/ . -Eric Release Notes for K12LTSP 4.2.1 ============================================================================ What's New: * Preliminary PPC support! Most new-world rom Macs boot as thin clients. Just hold down the "N" key when booting up to give it a spin! * LTSP 4.1.1 for Intel-based clients. See http://www.ltsp.org/ltsp-4.1.1.html for the list of enhancements and bug fixes. * Improved USB key chain support. * SchoolBell 1.0 added. SchoolBell is a free, open source web application to allow groups and organizations to coordinate the sharing of calendars. * Fedora Extras repository enabled by default, makes it easy to add many new software packages such as Inkscape. Try "yum install inkscape" K12LTSP-Specific Additions and Improvements =========================================== New Packages ------------ schoolbell-1.0-1.k12ltsp.1.4.2 * SchoolBell is a free, open source web application to allow groups and organizations to coordinate the sharing of calendars * see http://www.schooltool.org/ Modified Packages ----------------- anaconda-10.1.0.2-1.k12ltsp.2.4.2 * install GPG keys even if doing workstation or server install dhcp-ltsp-config-0.0.5-k12ltsp.1.4.2 * add support for booting PPC clients k12ltsp-core-4.2.1-1 * include ltsp_ppc k12ltsp-education-4.2.0-3 * include scribus k12ltsp-release-4.2.1-5 * include Fedora Extras repository & GPG keys ltsp_config-0.0.28-k12ltsp.3.4.2 * /etc/cron.daily/ltsp-swapfile-delete * /etc/init.d/ltsp-swapfile-delete * /etc/profile.d/k12ltsp-limits.sh * /etc/sysconfig/k12ltsp-limits (K12LTSP_LIMITS="TRUE") * /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/setup-update.sh (PPC) ltsp_floppyd-4.2.1-1.k12ltsp.4.2 * add USB keychain support ltsp_i386-4.1.1-0.k12ltsp.0.4.2 * see http://www.ltsp.org/ltsp-4.1.1.html * X.org 6.8.2 * Xorg Composite extention (X_COMPOSITE=Y) * Hotplug support for USB devices * lts.conf now supports "include" directive * Ability to pass options to the mount command * DPMS Screen blanking options * USB Printers officially supported * Additions to the vidlist file * bugfix: Missing SCREEN_01 in lts.conf * bugfix: PRINTER_x_TYPE off-by-one bug * bugfix: Fixed bad entry in audiolist * bugfix: Fixed rdesktop keymap file problem ltsp_i386-kernel-4.1.1-0.k12ltsp.0.4.2 * include an optional 2.6.9 client kernel ltsp_ppc-4.0.0-0.k12ltsp.2.4.2 * LTSP root for PPC clients squidGuard-1.2.0-8.k12ltsp.3.4.2.i386.rpm * mv /etc/cron.d/squidGuard to /etc/cron.daily/squidGuard * require SELinux policy sources * add squidGuard to SELinux policies * update initial blacklists verynice-1.1-1.k12ltsp.2.4.0.i386.rpm * add gam_server, gnome-panel, gnome-settings-daemon to runawayexe list * default badkarmarate to .1000 Latest Versions --------------- firefox-1.0.3-1.3.1.k12ltsp.0.4.2 icewm-1.2.20-1.k12ltsp.2.4.2 scribus-1.2.1-3.k12ltsp.0.4.2 vnc-ltsp-config-4.0-2.k12ltsp.0.4.2 Fedora Core 3 Updates ===================== New Packages ------------ aqbanking-1.0.4beta-0.fc3.i386.rpm aqhbci-1.0.2beta-0.fc3.i386.rpm gwenhywfar-1.7.2-0.fc3.i386.rpm * client for the German Home Banking Computer Interface protocol ri-1.8.2-1.FC3.0.i386.rpm * Ruby interactive reference Updated Packages ---------------- abiword-2.0.12-9 alsa-lib-1.0.6-8.FC3 apr-0.9.4-24.2 aspell-bg-0.50-8.fc3 at-3.1.8-70_FC3 autofs-4.1.3-114 bind-9.2.5-1 boost-1.32.0-5.fc3 cpp-3.4.3-22.fc3 cups-1.1.22-0.rc1.8.5 curl-7.12.3-3.fc3 cvs-1.11.17-6.FC3.i386.rpm dbh-1.0.22-3.fc3 dbus-0.22-10.FC3.2 devhelp-0.9.2-2.3.2 dhclient-3.0.1-40_FC3 dhcp-3.0.1-40_FC3 dmraid-1.0.0.rc6-1_FC3 dovecot-0.99.13-3.FC3 dump-0.4b39-1.FC3 e2fsprogs-1.36-1.FC3.1 elinks-0.9.2-2.1 emacs-21.3-21.FC3 enscript-1.6.1-28.0.4 epiphany-1.4.4-4.3.2 ethereal-0.10.10-1.FC3.1 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From missive at hotmail.com Fri Apr 22 20:59:24 2005 From: missive at hotmail.com (Lee Harr) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 01:29:24 +0430 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: The Gimp and printing Message-ID: >>You might try setting gimp to just print straight to the printer (try >>setting it to raw or lp) I just looked at my gimp setup and was >>surprised to see that I do not even have a File->Print option. >>So that shows how often I try to print from gimp :o) > >Well, from the toolbox, there won't be a "Print" option, since, what, >do you want to print the toolbox? ;^) > >It would be the "File" menu in a particular image's window. >(In Gimp 2.x, there's finally a menu bar across the top. In all versions >of Gimp, right-clicking the canvas brings up a pop-up menu with the various >menus, including "File".) > >Under there, you'll find "Print" hiding. :) > Nope. I looked there too. No print option anywhere. The major problem in my setup is a painfully old gimp 1.3.23 compiled with the -gimpprint use flag set, which apparently made the print option go away completely. Oh well... at least now I am motivated to upgrade to 2.0. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Fri Apr 22 21:11:46 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 14:11:46 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Problem with IBM Netvista P3/1GHz as LTSP Client In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Part 2: I got PXE booting to start. I think the installed NIC in the Netvista was not pxe-compliant, so I put in a 3Com 3C905-TXPXE nic and it started the boot process, but hangs at "Running dhcpd on port 67." Any help would be greatly appreciated! Steve On 4/22/05, Steve Hargadon wrote: > I'm supposed to help a public school install k12ltsp next week and > they have 25 x IBM Netvista p3/1ghz machines, model 6579-RAU. > > They sent me a sample unit, and I cannot get it to boot up to my k12ltsp server. > > 1. PXE boot mode doesn't do anything, passes by it quickly. > > 2. Installed (original) Intel PCI nic, when booting from a boot > floppy, stops at "Checking 'hlt' instruction..." > > 3. 3Com 3C905-TX card that I know and love and use all the time stops > at the same place. > > I've updated the bios on the machine to the latest version. Before I > did that, sometimes the workstation has stopped at "mounting root > filesystem: /opt/..." and sometimes at "Running dhcpcd on port 67." > Now the error is more consistent, but every once in a while the > machine reboots in the middle of the startup. > > This is not one of the IBM Netvista "thin client" boxes, but a regular PC. > > Anyone have any ideas or experience with this same issue? > > Thanks, > > Steve > > -- > Steve Hargadon > 916-899-1400 direct > -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct From steve at sierra-computer.com Fri Apr 22 22:54:51 2005 From: steve at sierra-computer.com (Steve Knopik) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 15:54:51 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Screen Resolution In-Reply-To: <42696522.9070909@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <42696522.9070909@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <426980BB.3090402@sierra-computer.com> I just inherited a 22" monitor. How do I increase the resolution past 1024x768 for my terminal? Steve Knopik Sierra Computer Services From datakid at gmail.com Sat Apr 23 02:25:58 2005 From: datakid at gmail.com (musicman) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 12:25:58 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Old K12, with samba issues, I think In-Reply-To: <24261cd050421170132c1a718@mail.gmail.com> References: <24261cd05042022362528a232@mail.gmail.com> <1114088213.19204.23.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <24261cd050421170132c1a718@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <24261cd0504221925bfaffb@mail.gmail.com> Well, My thanks go out to you Mr/Ms Mikesell.... I don't know what I did in particular that fixed the problem, but I had turned the WINS server off on the win2K server/PDC because I thought it was superfluous in our system, so I switched that back on...I also added the line "netbios name = backup" to the K12OS box smb.conf....ran the rsync, and it's still going after an hour - which means it's working, to me - previous to this, my average was 15 minutes (sometimes 13, sometimes 17, never 20)... So, smb relies on WINS? Does AD require WINS as well? Happy sys admin saturday :) L. On 4/22/05, musicman wrote: > On 4/21/05, Les Mikesell wrote: > > > > You might want to add the --delete option so it will always remove files > > that were deleted on the source. Or set up backuppc which will compress > > files and let you keep a specified number of days on line. You'll get > > about 5x the amount of stuff in the same space. > > Yeah, I thought of that - it is a redundant backup, we have tape and > win batch backups as well. The problem is they are hard to restore > from on the fly - which is where linux/rsync is fantastic - the samba > share can be there instantly - but "--delete" ing the files nullifies > that...this is our quick restore backup..... > > > A PDC really, really wants to be the master browser, especially if > > everything isn't set up to use it as a WINS server. In > > /etc/samba/smb.conf, set 'local master = no' and 'domain master = no'. > > Done both of these already, and restarted smbd. As for WINS, I > actually turned the service off on the win2K server, as it is a > protocol that is only used for mixed windows networks (pre+post NT > OSs) and we only have 2000 or XP in the office. > > > > > If you can put all your machine names in a local DNS server (even an > > unregistered domain name will work locally) you can avoid most of the > > problems of broadcast-based naming - at least for win2k and up. > > I'll try this now....Also, I noticed stuff about the "netbios name" in > 'man smb.conf' - do people tend to think this is necessary? Currently > we are without this.... > > > If you get too far behind you will have trouble keeping the system > > updated with security and critical bug fixes. If you aren't going to > > upgrade you should at least set up apt/yum to use the appropriate > > repository at http://fedoralegacy.org/ and pick up the available > > updates. Long-term, try to get replacement/backup hardware for your > > server so you can install and test the new system with no risk to the > > old one. Then even after you cut over you can still go back to the old > > one to see how something worked if you missed anything. > > We have a debian firewall that is rock solid, and are using openvpn to > tunnell through....so at the moment, I'm not too worried about > security. But you are right - we've got a test server coming in soon, > so maybe I'll requisition that to do some updating initially - > thanks... > From les at futuresource.com Sat Apr 23 03:10:27 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 22:10:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Old K12, with samba issues, I think In-Reply-To: <24261cd0504221925bfaffb@mail.gmail.com> References: <24261cd05042022362528a232@mail.gmail.com> <1114088213.19204.23.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <24261cd050421170132c1a718@mail.gmail.com> <24261cd0504221925bfaffb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1114225826.25110.19.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2005-04-22 at 21:25, musicman wrote: > Well, My thanks go out to you Mr/Ms Mikesell.... It's Mr. > I don't know what I did in particular that fixed the problem, but I > had turned the WINS server off on the win2K server/PDC because I > thought it was superfluous in our system, so I switched that back > on...I also added the line "netbios name = backup" to the K12OS box > smb.conf....ran the rsync, and it's still going after an hour - which > means it's working, to me - previous to this, my average was 15 > minutes (sometimes 13, sometimes 17, never 20)... > > So, smb relies on WINS? Does AD require WINS as well? If you have a single subnet the machines all broadcast their netbios names and some machine is more or less randomly elected to collate them and answer broadcast queries. This doesn't work across routers, which is where WINS comes in. If you have multiple subnets, you must configure all your machines to use the same WINS server (or set of servers). Then all the 'local' masters send their lists of names to the WINS server which collates them all and answers the queries directly since all machines know to ask it. Samba uses the hostname as the netbios name if you don't specify something else. Wink2 and up will use dns names (adding the domains in their search list) if the netbios lookup fails. I think an AD server acts as a WINS server but I don't know if you still have to set that up separately. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From datakid at gmail.com Sat Apr 23 06:47:58 2005 From: datakid at gmail.com (musicman) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 16:47:58 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Xserver issues Message-ID: <24261cd050422234749bf2b94@mail.gmail.com> Hi again I've just attempted my first diskless addition to the network, it seems to go through the boot process, but dies on the xserver - It's serving the right screen - it's just that it's refresh rate is all wonky - where does the k12ltsp configure for differnet hardware on different diskless clients (net cards, vid cards, etc)? We went looking in /opt/ltsp/etc/ and /etc/ and /var/ and we couldn't see any likely candidates? cheers L. From nbs at sonic.net Sat Apr 23 07:33:11 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 00:33:11 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: The Gimp and printing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050423073311.GA23492@sonic.net> On Sat, Apr 23, 2005 at 01:29:24AM +0430, Lee Harr wrote: > > Oh well... at least now I am motivated to upgrade to 2.0. Don't you mean 2.2? ;) -bill! From sudev at mantraonline.com Sat Apr 23 09:42:25 2005 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 15:12:25 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Xserver issues In-Reply-To: <24261cd050422234749bf2b94@mail.gmail.com> References: <24261cd050422234749bf2b94@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1114249345.4506.9.camel@server.ltsp> On Sat, 2005-04-23 at 16:47 +1000, musicman wrote: > I've just attempted my first diskless addition to the network, it > seems to go through the boot process, but dies on the xserver - It's > serving the right screen - it's just that it's refresh rate is all > wonky - where does the k12ltsp configure for differnet hardware on > different diskless clients (net cards, vid cards, etc)? > > We went looking in /opt/ltsp/etc/ and /etc/ and /var/ and we couldn't > see any likely candidates? You need to modify /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf and create section for this workstation. Each section begins with [WSName] and you can use workstation name if defined in /etc/dhcpd.conf or [MACaddress] or [IPnumber]. More at the www.ltsp.org installation notes. HTH -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au Sat Apr 23 20:01:21 2005 From: debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au (Debbie Schiel) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 21:01:21 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Given this situation, why bother continue with LTSP? In-Reply-To: <4269407E.10306@elp.rr.com> References: <20050422001816.80859.qmail@web41611.mail.yahoo.com> <4269407E.10306@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <426AA991.30000@redeemer.qld.edu.au> Dear Joseph, Regarding your idea to dual-boot your windows machines... First I tried the option where you change the BIOS to make the PC boot to the network first (K12ltsp), and if you want windows you just hit the esc key to abort the network boot. However, even though it worked, it seemed a bit 'messy' and I found this option better: https://listman.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2005-April/msg00541.html (see my ecstatic response when I found that it actually worked https://listman.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2004-December/msg00594.html) It brings up a menu at start-up giving you a certain amount of time (you can set the time) to decide if you want to boot k12 or windows. Another thing to mention is that I was brought up on Macs while studying graphic design, converted to windows (what a dark day that was!) after my mac crashed one too many times (in the days b4 OSX), and knew nothing about Linux until June/July last year. I'm now teaching Year4 (not just ICT but *everything*) three days a week and have Thursday as ICT teacher/co-ordinator and Friday as tech/fix-it support. This post has been great to read with many gems of wisdom that I will be quoting in future to support this 'gospel' (K12LTSP is good news!). Best regards, Debbie -- http://www.redeemer.qld.edu.au/ On Thu, 2005-04-21 at 15:23 -0500, Doug Simpson wrote: > Actually, if you don't need floppy access on those computers (and even if > you do it is still doable. . .put the boot floppy into the floppy drive, > slide the floppy drive back into the case and put the blanker back in. > \ > Out of sight - out of mind! > > Works for me! Alternately, you can install the boot image on the harddrive. It is a different image, but works and you don't need much of a hard drive for it. This can also be used to dual-boot the machine. Way-back in the list archives (or maybe on the LTSP archive) someone successfully did this. I figure a floppy is more likely to go bad than an hd, especially with infrequent use. JSR/ From dbentson at lcsd.k12.wa.us Sun Apr 24 23:23:27 2005 From: dbentson at lcsd.k12.wa.us (Dan Bentson-Royal) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 16:23:27 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] squidGuard - local-block isn't blocked Message-ID: <426C2A6F.8070007@lcsd.k12.wa.us> When I modify my local-block/domains to include a site to be blocked, how do I get squidGuard to start taking note of that? It seems like squidGuard is ignoring the contents of local-block/domains and my computer is failing to incorporate the contents of local-block/domains into local-block/domains.db - whatever the case, I can't seem to get a local-block to happen. I have modified that file (local-block/domains) and then done: /usr/sbin/update_squidguard_blacklists /etc/init.d/squidguard stop /etc/init.d/squidguard start But the date on local-block/domains.db never changes and the site I've tried to block still comes through. I've also tried running /usr/sbin/squidGuard -C /etc/squid/squidGuard.conf -C all but it similarly seems to make no difference. That should be covered anyway when I do the /usr/sbin/update_squidguard_blacklists, right? Anyway... Sites listed in the default local-block/domains are blocked (amyshop.com but not my new additions (xanga.com or myspace.com). Even after a complete restart of the computer, it behaves the same way. I've reinstalled squid and squidGuard from scratch three times now and I just can't seem to figure it out! Any suggestions would be much appreciated. BTW, I am running the latest updates of squid and squidGuard on LTSP4.2.0 For those who'd like the "hard data", here you go: ----------------------------- [root at localhost ~]# ls -l /var/squidGuard/blacklists/local-block/ total 88 -rw-r--r-- 1 squid squid 226 Apr 22 17:24 domains -rw-r--r-- 1 squid squid 32768 Apr 16 19:01 domains.db -rw-r--r-- 1 squid squid 109 Apr 16 19:01 urls -rw-r--r-- 1 squid squid 32768 Apr 16 19:01 urls.db ------------------------------- [root at localhost ~]# tail -n 40 /var/log/squidGuard/local-block 2005-04-24 15:18:43 [5603] Request(default/local-block/-) http://www.amyshop.com/ 168.212.7.10/- - GET ---------------------------------- [root at localhost ~]# tail -n 40 /var/squidGuard/blacklists/local-block/domains xanga.com myspace.com starkingdoms.com bungie.net addictinggames.com 61.145.116.190 amyshop.com barnonedrinks.com bumfights.nl drunkcow.com funnyjunk.com handgunsforsale.com poopyjoe.com thisisarandomentrythatdoesnotexist.com --------------------------------- [root at localhost ~]# tail -n 40 /var/log/squid/access.log 1114379997.851 119 168.212.7.10 TCP_MISS/200 1333 GET http://www.google.com/ - DIRECT/66.102.7.147 text/html 1114379997.966 114 168.212.7.10 TCP_REFRESH_HIT/200 8835 GET http://www.google.com/intl/en/images/logo.gif - DIRECT/66.102.7.147 text/html 1114380002.650 878 168.212.7.10 TCP_MISS/302 159 GET http://www.won.net/ - NONE/- - 1114380002.688 19 168.212.7.10 TCP_MISS/404 491 GET http://168.212.25.13/block.htm - DIRECT/168.212.25.13 text/html 1114380026.731 521 168.212.7.10 TCP_MISS/200 4718 GET http://www.xanga.com/ - DIRECT/209.66.88.15 text/html 1114380026.944 324 168.212.7.10 TCP_MISS/200 1048 GET http://a.xanga.com/bserver/AAMALL/SITE=XANGA/AREA=FRONT/acc_random=73539034/pageid=73539034/AAMB1/AAMSZ=468X60/AAMB2/AAMSZ=120X240/AAMB3/AAMSZ=88x31? - DIRECT/209.66.88.60 text/html 1114380026.961 16 168.212.7.10 TCP_HIT/200 4265 GET http://ai.xanga.com/xangahouse/premium-color.gif - NONE/- image/gif 1114380027.158 198 168.212.7.10 TCP_MISS/200 270 GET http://a.xanga.com//IMPCNT/ccid=14011/AAMSZ=468X60/SITE=XANGA/AREA=FRONT/acc_random=73539034/pageid=73539034 - DIRECT/209.66.88.60 image/gif 1114380027.298 337 168.212.7.10 TCP_MISS/200 365 GET http://ai.xanga.com/nsi/1px-front.gif? - DIRECT/209.66.88.59 image/gif 1114381123.641 1 168.212.7.10 TCP_MISS/302 159 GET http://www.amyshop.com/ - NONE/- - 1114381123.705 39 168.212.7.10 TCP_MISS/404 491 GET http://168.212.25.13/block.htm - DIRECT/168.212.25.13 text/html ------------------------------ [root at localhost ~]# tail -n 40 /var/log/squidGuard/squidGuard.log 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5604] init domainlist /var/squidGuard/blacklists/mail/domains 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5604] loading dbfile /var/squidGuard/blacklists/mail/domains.db 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5604] init urllist /var/squidGuard/blacklists/mail/urls 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5604] loading dbfile /var/squidGuard/blacklists/mail/urls.db 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5604] init domainlist /var/squidGuard/blacklists/porn/domains 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5604] loading dbfile /var/squidGuard/blacklists/porn/domains.db 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5604] init urllist /var/squidGuard/blacklists/porn/urls 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5604] loading dbfile /var/squidGuard/blacklists/porn/urls.db 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5604] init domainlist /var/squidGuard/blacklists/proxy/domains 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5604] loading dbfile /var/squidGuard/blacklists/proxy/domains.db 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5604] init urllist /var/squidGuard/blacklists/proxy/urls 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5604] loading dbfile /var/squidGuard/blacklists/proxy/urls.db 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5604] init domainlist /var/squidGuard/blacklists/violence/domains 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5604] loading dbfile /var/squidGuard/blacklists/violence/domains.db 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5604] init urllist /var/squidGuard/blacklists/violence/urls 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5604] loading dbfile /var/squidGuard/blacklists/violence/urls.db 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5604] init domainlist /var/squidGuard/blacklists/warez/domains 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5604] loading dbfile /var/squidGuard/blacklists/warez/domains.db 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5604] init urllist /var/squidGuard/blacklists/warez/urls 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5604] loading dbfile /var/squidGuard/blacklists/warez/urls.db 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5604] init domainlist /var/squidGuard/blacklists/local-ok/domains 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5604] loading dbfile /var/squidGuard/blacklists/local-ok/domains.db 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5604] init urllist /var/squidGuard/blacklists/local-ok/urls 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5604] loading dbfile /var/squidGuard/blacklists/local-ok/urls.db 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5604] init domainlist /var/squidGuard/blacklists/local-block/domains 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5604] loading dbfile /var/squidGuard/blacklists/local-block/domains.db 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5604] init urllist /var/squidGuard/blacklists/local-block/urls 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5604] loading dbfile /var/squidGuard/blacklists/local-block/urls.db 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5604] squidGuard 1.2.0 started (1114340569.223) 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5604] squidGuard ready for requests (1114340569.450) 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5607] init domainlist /var/squidGuard/blacklists/local-ok/domains 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5607] loading dbfile /var/squidGuard/blacklists/local-ok/domains.db 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5607] init urllist /var/squidGuard/blacklists/local-ok/urls 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5607] loading dbfile /var/squidGuard/blacklists/local-ok/urls.db 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5607] init domainlist /var/squidGuard/blacklists/local-block/domains 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5607] loading dbfile /var/squidGuard/blacklists/local-block/domains.db 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5607] init urllist /var/squidGuard/blacklists/local-block/urls 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5607] loading dbfile /var/squidGuard/blacklists/local-block/urls.db 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5607] squidGuard 1.2.0 started (1114340569.246) 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5607] squidGuard ready for requests (1114340569.457) ------------------------------- [root at localhost ~]# more /usr/sbin/update_squidguard_blacklists #!/bin/sh TARGET=/var/squidGuard/blacklists cd $TARGET || exit # only run if squidGuard is active! [ "`ps auxw | grep squid[G]uard`" ] || exit rsync -az squidguard.mesd.k12.or.us::filtering $TARGET for DIR in `ls $TARGET` do if [ -f $DIR/domains.include ] then TMP=$RANDOM cat $DIR/domains $DIR/domains.include | sort | uniq > $DIR/domai ns.$TMP mv -f $DIR/domains.$TMP $DIR/domains fi if [ -f $DIR/urls.include ] then TMP=$RANDOM cat $DIR/urls $DIR/urls.include | sort | uniq > $DIR/urls.$TMP mv -f $DIR/urls.$TMP $DIR/urls fi done /usr/sbin/squidGuard -c /etc/squid/squidGuard.conf -C all # /usr/sbin/squidGuard -c /etc/squid/squidGuard.conf -u chown -R squid.squid $TARGET chown -R squid.squid /var/log/squidGuard/ sleep 5s /usr/bin/killall -HUP squid ------------------------------- [root at localhost ~]# more /etc/squid/squidGuard.conf # # CONFIG FILE FOR SQUIDGUARD # # See http://www.squidguard.org/config/ for more examples # dbhome /var/squidGuard/blacklists logdir /var/log/squidGuard dest ads { log ads domainlist ads/domains urllist ads/urls } dest audio-video { log audio-video domainlist audio-video/domains urllist audio-video/urls } dest aggressive { log aggressive domainlist aggressive/domains urllist aggressive/urls } dest drugs { log drugs domainlist drugs/domains urllist drugs/urls } dest gambling{ log gambling domainlist gambling/domains urllist gambling/urls } dest hacking { log hacking domainlist hacking/domains urllist hacking/urls } dest mail { log mail domainlist mail/domains urllist mail/urls } dest porn{ log porn domainlist porn/domains urllist porn/urls } dest proxy{ log proxy domainlist proxy/domains urllist proxy/urls } dest violence{ log violence domainlist violence/domains urllist violence/urls } dest warez{ log warez domainlist warez/domains urllist warez/urls } dest local-ok{ domainlist local-ok/domains urllist local-ok/urls } dest local-block{ log local-block domainlist local-block/domains urllist local-block/urls } rewrite google { s@(google.com/search.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i s@(google.com/images.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i s@(google.com/groups.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i s@(google.com/news.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i # log google } acl { default { # for google to be in "safe mode" rewrite google # the default categories are conservative, please add any additional # categories listed above or simply comment out this line and uncomment # out the line below it. # DBR edit begin - 050422 # commented out the following 1 line # pass local-ok !local-block !gambling !porn !warez all # uncommented the following 1 line pass local-ok !local-block !aggressive !drugs !gambling !hacking !porn ! proxy !violence !warez all # DBR Edit end # DBR edit begin - 050422 # Editted the following to use the custom block page redirect 302:http://168.212.25.13/block.htm # DBR edit end # DBR edit begin - 050422 # commented out the default setting for a block page # redirect 302:http://localhost.localdomain/cgi-bin/squidGuard.cgi?cl ientaddr=%a&clientname=%n&clientident=%i&srcclass=%s&targetgroup=%t&url=%u # DBR edit end # redirect 302:http://localhost.localdomain/cgi-bin/squidGuard-simpl e.cgi?clientaddr=%a&clientname=%n&clientident=%i&srcclass=%s&targetclass=%t&url= %u } } ---------------------------------- [root at localhost ~]# ps aux | grep squid squid 4156 0.0 1.1 9636 5804 ? S Apr22 0:01 (squid) -D -f /etc/squid/squid-squidGuard.conf squid 4163 0.0 0.0 2596 272 ? Ss Apr22 0:00 (unlinkd) squid 5603 0.0 0.5 10712 2628 ? Ss 04:02 0:00 (squidGuard) -c /etc/squid/squidGuard.conf squid 5604 0.0 0.4 10568 2436 ? Ss 04:02 0:00 (squidGuard) -c /etc/squid/squidGuard.conf squid 5605 0.0 0.3 10144 1920 ? Ss 04:02 0:00 (squidGuard) -c /etc/squid/squidGuard.conf squid 5606 0.0 0.3 11304 1912 ? Ss 04:02 0:00 (squidGuard) -c /etc/squid/squidGuard.conf squid 5607 0.0 0.3 10432 1912 ? Ss 04:02 0:00 (squidGuard) -c /etc/squid/squidGuard.conf root 27417 0.0 0.1 4980 656 pts/3 R+ 15:47 0:00 grep squid -------------------------------- -- Dan Bentson-Royal La Center Schools From mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us Mon Apr 25 03:00:15 2005 From: mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us (mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 23:00:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] squidGuard - local-block isn't blocked In-Reply-To: <426C2A6F.8070007@lcsd.k12.wa.us> References: <426C2A6F.8070007@lcsd.k12.wa.us> Message-ID: <1138.24.2.210.202.1114398015.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> Two items. (1) I noticed that /usr/sbin/update_squidguard_blacklists displayed funny below. " > if [ -f $DIR/domains.include ] > then > TMP=$RANDOM > cat $DIR/domains $DIR/domains.include | sort | uniq > > $DIR/domai > ns.$TMP " Is there some sort of extra char above between domai and the ns on the following line? It should be $DIR/domains.$TMP. (2) Below, the first -C should be -c " > I've also tried running > /usr/sbin/squidGuard -C /etc/squid/squidGuard.conf -C all " Mark Orenstein East Granby, CT School System > When I modify my local-block/domains to include a site to be blocked, > how do I get squidGuard to start taking note of that? It seems like > squidGuard is ignoring the contents of local-block/domains and my > computer is failing to incorporate the contents of local-block/domains > into local-block/domains.db - whatever the case, I can't seem to get a > local-block to happen. > > I have modified that file (local-block/domains) and then done: > /usr/sbin/update_squidguard_blacklists > /etc/init.d/squidguard stop > /etc/init.d/squidguard start > But the date on local-block/domains.db never changes and the site I've > tried to block still comes through. > > I've also tried running > /usr/sbin/squidGuard -C /etc/squid/squidGuard.conf -C all > but it similarly seems to make no difference. That should be covered > anyway when I do the /usr/sbin/update_squidguard_blacklists, right? > Anyway... > > Sites listed in the default local-block/domains are blocked (amyshop.com > but not my new additions (xanga.com or myspace.com). Even after a > complete restart of the computer, it behaves the same way. I've > reinstalled squid and squidGuard from scratch three times now and I just > can't seem to figure it out! > > Any suggestions would be much appreciated. > BTW, I am running the latest updates of squid and squidGuard on LTSP4.2.0 > > For those who'd like the "hard data", here you go: > ----------------------------- > > [root at localhost ~]# ls -l /var/squidGuard/blacklists/local-block/ > total 88 > -rw-r--r-- 1 squid squid 226 Apr 22 17:24 domains > -rw-r--r-- 1 squid squid 32768 Apr 16 19:01 domains.db > -rw-r--r-- 1 squid squid 109 Apr 16 19:01 urls > -rw-r--r-- 1 squid squid 32768 Apr 16 19:01 urls.db > > ------------------------------- > > [root at localhost ~]# tail -n 40 /var/log/squidGuard/local-block > 2005-04-24 15:18:43 [5603] Request(default/local-block/-) > http://www.amyshop.com/ 168.212.7.10/- - GET > > ---------------------------------- > [root at localhost ~]# tail -n 40 > /var/squidGuard/blacklists/local-block/domains > xanga.com > myspace.com > starkingdoms.com > bungie.net > addictinggames.com > 61.145.116.190 > amyshop.com > barnonedrinks.com > bumfights.nl > drunkcow.com > funnyjunk.com > handgunsforsale.com > poopyjoe.com > thisisarandomentrythatdoesnotexist.com > > --------------------------------- > > [root at localhost ~]# tail -n 40 /var/log/squid/access.log > 1114379997.851 119 168.212.7.10 TCP_MISS/200 1333 GET > http://www.google.com/ - DIRECT/66.102.7.147 text/html > 1114379997.966 114 168.212.7.10 TCP_REFRESH_HIT/200 8835 GET > http://www.google.com/intl/en/images/logo.gif - DIRECT/66.102.7.147 > text/html > 1114380002.650 878 168.212.7.10 TCP_MISS/302 159 GET > http://www.won.net/ - NONE/- - > 1114380002.688 19 168.212.7.10 TCP_MISS/404 491 GET > http://168.212.25.13/block.htm - DIRECT/168.212.25.13 text/html > 1114380026.731 521 168.212.7.10 TCP_MISS/200 4718 GET > http://www.xanga.com/ - DIRECT/209.66.88.15 text/html > 1114380026.944 324 168.212.7.10 TCP_MISS/200 1048 GET > http://a.xanga.com/bserver/AAMALL/SITE=XANGA/AREA=FRONT/acc_random=73539034/pageid=73539034/AAMB1/AAMSZ=468X60/AAMB2/AAMSZ=120X240/AAMB3/AAMSZ=88x31? > - DIRECT/209.66.88.60 text/html > 1114380026.961 16 168.212.7.10 TCP_HIT/200 4265 GET > http://ai.xanga.com/xangahouse/premium-color.gif - NONE/- image/gif > 1114380027.158 198 168.212.7.10 TCP_MISS/200 270 GET > http://a.xanga.com//IMPCNT/ccid=14011/AAMSZ=468X60/SITE=XANGA/AREA=FRONT/acc_random=73539034/pageid=73539034 > - DIRECT/209.66.88.60 image/gif > 1114380027.298 337 168.212.7.10 TCP_MISS/200 365 GET > http://ai.xanga.com/nsi/1px-front.gif? - DIRECT/209.66.88.59 image/gif > 1114381123.641 1 168.212.7.10 TCP_MISS/302 159 GET > http://www.amyshop.com/ - NONE/- - > 1114381123.705 39 168.212.7.10 TCP_MISS/404 491 GET > http://168.212.25.13/block.htm - DIRECT/168.212.25.13 text/html > > ------------------------------ > > [root at localhost ~]# tail -n 40 /var/log/squidGuard/squidGuard.log > 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5604] init domainlist > /var/squidGuard/blacklists/mail/domains > 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5604] loading dbfile > /var/squidGuard/blacklists/mail/domains.db > 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5604] init urllist > /var/squidGuard/blacklists/mail/urls > 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5604] loading dbfile > /var/squidGuard/blacklists/mail/urls.db > 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5604] init domainlist > /var/squidGuard/blacklists/porn/domains > 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5604] loading dbfile > /var/squidGuard/blacklists/porn/domains.db > 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5604] init urllist > /var/squidGuard/blacklists/porn/urls > 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5604] loading dbfile > /var/squidGuard/blacklists/porn/urls.db > 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5604] init domainlist > /var/squidGuard/blacklists/proxy/domains > 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5604] loading dbfile > /var/squidGuard/blacklists/proxy/domains.db > 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5604] init urllist > /var/squidGuard/blacklists/proxy/urls > 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5604] loading dbfile > /var/squidGuard/blacklists/proxy/urls.db > 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5604] init domainlist > /var/squidGuard/blacklists/violence/domains > 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5604] loading dbfile > /var/squidGuard/blacklists/violence/domains.db > 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5604] init urllist > /var/squidGuard/blacklists/violence/urls > 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5604] loading dbfile > /var/squidGuard/blacklists/violence/urls.db > 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5604] init domainlist > /var/squidGuard/blacklists/warez/domains > 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5604] loading dbfile > /var/squidGuard/blacklists/warez/domains.db > 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5604] init urllist > /var/squidGuard/blacklists/warez/urls > 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5604] loading dbfile > /var/squidGuard/blacklists/warez/urls.db > 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5604] init domainlist > /var/squidGuard/blacklists/local-ok/domains > 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5604] loading dbfile > /var/squidGuard/blacklists/local-ok/domains.db > 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5604] init urllist > /var/squidGuard/blacklists/local-ok/urls > 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5604] loading dbfile > /var/squidGuard/blacklists/local-ok/urls.db > 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5604] init domainlist > /var/squidGuard/blacklists/local-block/domains > 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5604] loading dbfile > /var/squidGuard/blacklists/local-block/domains.db > 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5604] init urllist > /var/squidGuard/blacklists/local-block/urls > 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5604] loading dbfile > /var/squidGuard/blacklists/local-block/urls.db > 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5604] squidGuard 1.2.0 started (1114340569.223) > 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5604] squidGuard ready for requests (1114340569.450) > 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5607] init domainlist > /var/squidGuard/blacklists/local-ok/domains > 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5607] loading dbfile > /var/squidGuard/blacklists/local-ok/domains.db > 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5607] init urllist > /var/squidGuard/blacklists/local-ok/urls > 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5607] loading dbfile > /var/squidGuard/blacklists/local-ok/urls.db > 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5607] init domainlist > /var/squidGuard/blacklists/local-block/domains > 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5607] loading dbfile > /var/squidGuard/blacklists/local-block/domains.db > 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5607] init urllist > /var/squidGuard/blacklists/local-block/urls > 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5607] loading dbfile > /var/squidGuard/blacklists/local-block/urls.db > 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5607] squidGuard 1.2.0 started (1114340569.246) > 2005-04-24 04:02:49 [5607] squidGuard ready for requests (1114340569.457) > > ------------------------------- > > [root at localhost ~]# more /usr/sbin/update_squidguard_blacklists > #!/bin/sh > > TARGET=/var/squidGuard/blacklists > > cd $TARGET || exit > > # only run if squidGuard is active! > [ "`ps auxw | grep squid[G]uard`" ] || exit > > rsync -az squidguard.mesd.k12.or.us::filtering $TARGET > > for DIR in `ls $TARGET` > do > if [ -f $DIR/domains.include ] > then > TMP=$RANDOM > cat $DIR/domains $DIR/domains.include | sort | uniq > > $DIR/domai > ns.$TMP > mv -f $DIR/domains.$TMP $DIR/domains > fi > if [ -f $DIR/urls.include ] > then > TMP=$RANDOM > cat $DIR/urls $DIR/urls.include | sort | uniq > > $DIR/urls.$TMP > mv -f $DIR/urls.$TMP $DIR/urls > fi > done > > /usr/sbin/squidGuard -c /etc/squid/squidGuard.conf -C all > # /usr/sbin/squidGuard -c /etc/squid/squidGuard.conf -u > > chown -R squid.squid $TARGET > chown -R squid.squid /var/log/squidGuard/ > > sleep 5s > > /usr/bin/killall -HUP squid > > ------------------------------- > > [root at localhost ~]# more /etc/squid/squidGuard.conf > # > # CONFIG FILE FOR SQUIDGUARD > # > # See http://www.squidguard.org/config/ for more examples > # > > dbhome /var/squidGuard/blacklists > logdir /var/log/squidGuard > > dest ads { > log ads > domainlist ads/domains > urllist ads/urls > } > > dest audio-video { > log audio-video > domainlist audio-video/domains > urllist audio-video/urls > } > > dest aggressive { > log aggressive > domainlist aggressive/domains > urllist aggressive/urls > } > > dest drugs { > log drugs > domainlist drugs/domains > urllist drugs/urls > } > > dest gambling{ > log gambling > domainlist gambling/domains > urllist gambling/urls > } > > dest hacking { > log hacking > domainlist hacking/domains > urllist hacking/urls > } > > dest mail { > log mail > domainlist mail/domains > urllist mail/urls > } > > dest porn{ > log porn > domainlist porn/domains > urllist porn/urls > } > > dest proxy{ > log proxy > domainlist proxy/domains > urllist proxy/urls > } > > dest violence{ > log violence > domainlist violence/domains > urllist violence/urls > } > > dest warez{ > log warez > domainlist warez/domains > urllist warez/urls > } > > dest local-ok{ > domainlist local-ok/domains > urllist local-ok/urls > } > > dest local-block{ > log local-block > domainlist local-block/domains > urllist local-block/urls > } > > rewrite google { > s@(google.com/search.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i > s@(google.com/images.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i > s@(google.com/groups.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i > s@(google.com/news.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i > # log google > } > > acl { > default { > # for google to be in "safe mode" > rewrite google > > # the default categories are conservative, please add any > additional > # categories listed above or simply comment out this line and > uncomment > # out the line below it. > # DBR edit begin - 050422 > # commented out the following 1 line > # pass local-ok !local-block !gambling !porn !warez all > # uncommented the following 1 line > pass local-ok !local-block !aggressive !drugs !gambling > !hacking !porn ! > proxy !violence !warez all > # DBR Edit end > > # DBR edit begin - 050422 > # Editted the following to use the custom block page > redirect 302:http://168.212.25.13/block.htm > # DBR edit end > # DBR edit begin - 050422 > # commented out the default setting for a block page > # redirect > 302:http://localhost.localdomain/cgi-bin/squidGuard.cgi?cl > ientaddr=%a&clientname=%n&clientident=%i&srcclass=%s&targetgroup=%t&url=%u > # DBR edit end > # redirect > 302:http://localhost.localdomain/cgi-bin/squidGuard-simpl > e.cgi?clientaddr=%a&clientname=%n&clientident=%i&srcclass=%s&targetclass=%t&url= > %u > } > } > > ---------------------------------- > > [root at localhost ~]# ps aux | grep squid > squid 4156 0.0 1.1 9636 5804 ? S Apr22 0:01 (squid) > -D -f /etc/squid/squid-squidGuard.conf > squid 4163 0.0 0.0 2596 272 ? Ss Apr22 0:00 (unlinkd) > squid 5603 0.0 0.5 10712 2628 ? Ss 04:02 0:00 > (squidGuard) -c /etc/squid/squidGuard.conf > squid 5604 0.0 0.4 10568 2436 ? Ss 04:02 0:00 > (squidGuard) -c /etc/squid/squidGuard.conf > squid 5605 0.0 0.3 10144 1920 ? Ss 04:02 0:00 > (squidGuard) -c /etc/squid/squidGuard.conf > squid 5606 0.0 0.3 11304 1912 ? Ss 04:02 0:00 > (squidGuard) -c /etc/squid/squidGuard.conf > squid 5607 0.0 0.3 10432 1912 ? Ss 04:02 0:00 > (squidGuard) -c /etc/squid/squidGuard.conf > root 27417 0.0 0.1 4980 656 pts/3 R+ 15:47 0:00 grep squid > > -------------------------------- > > -- > Dan Bentson-Royal > La Center Schools > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Apr 25 13:31:18 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 09:31:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] How to launch an LTSP session from a dedicated Linux box? Message-ID: I feel ridiculous, but I'm drawing a blank....I tried X -query 192.168.0.254 & and that didn't work....here's what I'm trying to do. I'm playing around with rolling my own Live CD....I'm using PCLinuxOS as my base and thus far I've been able to easily and successfully roll my own live bootable CD. What I want to do is have icons on the desktop for the user to launch either a Windows Terminal Server session or an LTSP session. They boot the computer (terminal) via the Live CD....then they can either run a few things locally, like firefox....or they can click on an icon and go into their regular LTSP or WinTerm session. I've gotten the redesktop thing to work fine, but having trouble figuring out how to launch an LTSP session from an already running Linux box (aka currently running X server). If I use the command from above it tells me that the display is already open....and of course as I'm running a session currently on the local machine....any ideas on how to do this? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From petre at maltzen.net Mon Apr 25 13:41:10 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 08:41:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] How to launch an LTSP session from a dedicated Linux box? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <426CF376.5010306@maltzen.net> I can think of two approaches: 1. Run Xnest on the client. I think the syntax is something like Xnest :1 -indirect ltspserver where ltspserver is the name of your, uh, LTSP server. I do this on my wife's laptop. The laptop is running Xandros where she runs Firefox so that sound works consistently. But sometimes she needs to get to our terminal server, so I gave her an icon that calls the above. It brings up the terminal server login screen within a window. 2. Use VNCviewer to connect to the VNC server on the LTSP server which is launched vi xinetd. HTH. Petre David Trask wrote: > I feel ridiculous, but I'm drawing a blank....I tried X -query > 192.168.0.254 & and that didn't work....here's what I'm trying to do. > > I'm playing around with rolling my own Live CD....I'm using PCLinuxOS as > my base and thus far I've been able to easily and successfully roll my own > live bootable CD. What I want to do is have icons on the desktop for the > user to launch either a Windows Terminal Server session or an LTSP > session. They boot the computer (terminal) via the Live CD....then they > can either run a few things locally, like firefox....or they can click on > an icon and go into their regular LTSP or WinTerm session. I've gotten > the redesktop thing to work fine, but having trouble figuring out how to > launch an LTSP session from an already running Linux box (aka currently > running X server). If I use the command from above it tells me that the > display is already open....and of course as I'm running a session > currently on the local machine....any ideas on how to do this? > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dbentson at lcsd.k12.wa.us Mon Apr 25 14:33:15 2005 From: dbentson at lcsd.k12.wa.us (Dan Bentson-Royal) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 07:33:15 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] squidGuard - local-block isn't blocked In-Reply-To: <1138.24.2.210.202.1114398015.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> References: <426C2A6F.8070007@lcsd.k12.wa.us> <1138.24.2.210.202.1114398015.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> Message-ID: <426CFFAB.5020007@lcsd.k12.wa.us> Mark, Thanks for the response - I'm really eager to get this going. What you caught there were two errors in my transcribing from the terminal into my mailer. -------------------------------- For #1, the break was because the window from which I copied was too narrow - it was a that cropped up in copying. > (1) I noticed that /usr/sbin/update_squidguard_blacklists displayed funny > below. >> cat $DIR/domains $DIR/domains.include | sort | uniq > >>$DIR/domai >>ns.$TMP > --------------------------------- For #2, it was a typo on my part - I didn't copy and paste that. I went through my command history and verified that it is really as you indicated, a lowercase "c" > Is there some sort of extra char above between domai and the ns on the > following line? It should be $DIR/domains.$TMP. > > (2) Below, the first -C should be -c > " >> /usr/sbin/squidGuard -C /etc/squid/squidGuard.conf -C all ---------------------------------- Thanks for taking the time to look it over. I just can't quite seem to get it working. I did see that there may be some options using a diff file to update the domains.db. But it seems clunky and I think I lose the ability to easily see what the local-block/domains really are. -- Dan Bentson-Royal La Center Schools From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Apr 25 14:46:45 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 10:46:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] How to launch an LTSP session from a dedicated Linux box? In-Reply-To: <426CF376.5010306@maltzen.net> References: <426CF376.5010306@maltzen.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, April 25, 2005 at 9:41 AM +0000 wrote: >1. Run Xnest on the client. I think the syntax is something like > >Xnest :1 -indirect ltspserver Hmmm....XNest is not found....is it something that's include with Xorg? Or just Xfree? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From andyr at wizzy.com Mon Apr 25 14:48:47 2005 From: andyr at wizzy.com (Andy Rabagliati) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 16:48:47 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] How to launch an LTSP session from a dedicated Linux box? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050425144847.GM3923@wizzy.com> On Mon, 25 Apr 2005, David Trask wrote: > I feel ridiculous, but I'm drawing a blank....I tried X -query > 192.168.0.254 & and that didn't work > > If I use the command from above it tells me that the > display is already open....and of course as I'm running a session > currently on the local machine....any ideas on how to do this? X -query 192.168.0.254 :1 Cheers, Andy! From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Mon Apr 25 15:01:43 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 10:01:43 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] How to launch an LTSP session from a dedicated Linux box? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: on the side topic. . . Is PSLinuxOS easier to remaster than Knoppix? I have had zero luck remastering Knoppix. It boots but things just don't work right. . . Thanks Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Mon, 25 Apr 2005, David Trask wrote: > I feel ridiculous, but I'm drawing a blank....I tried X -query > 192.168.0.254 & and that didn't work....here's what I'm trying to do. > > I'm playing around with rolling my own Live CD....I'm using PCLinuxOS as > my base and thus far I've been able to easily and successfully roll my own > live bootable CD. What I want to do is have icons on the desktop for the > user to launch either a Windows Terminal Server session or an LTSP > session. They boot the computer (terminal) via the Live CD....then they > can either run a few things locally, like firefox....or they can click on > an icon and go into their regular LTSP or WinTerm session. I've gotten > the redesktop thing to work fine, but having trouble figuring out how to > launch an LTSP session from an already running Linux box (aka currently > running X server). If I use the command from above it tells me that the > display is already open....and of course as I'm running a session > currently on the local machine....any ideas on how to do this? > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Apr 25 15:14:44 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 11:14:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] How to launch an LTSP session from a dedicated Linux box? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, April 25, 2005 at 11:01 AM +0000 wrote: >on the side topic. . . > >Is PSLinuxOS easier to remaster than Knoppix? Oh gosh yes! Simply load it onto a machine...stick in the CD...boot from it....once it's up....use the "Install to HD script". Make sure you make a decent sized swap partition....couple gig for room to make the ISO. Then you reboot and run from the HD. Create accounts you want....install and remove any software....(I installed several plugins for Firefox) change any themes or wallpapers. Set any auto-logins you want. Then once you have everything the way you want it. Use (as su in terminal) mklivecd (mklivecd livecd.iso) and that's it! It works pretty slick! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From cbutler at shoreschool.org Mon Apr 25 15:31:37 2005 From: cbutler at shoreschool.org (Christopher Butler) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 11:31:37 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Authenticate to OS X Open Directory Message-ID: Okay, I've read the wiki doc on authenticating LTSP clients to users in OS X Open Directory, but I'm having some problems with authentication (the NFS mount seems to work just fine). I'm running K12LTSP 4.1 and OS X 10.3.4. I have Open Directory running with my OD Server also a KDC. All 200 of my Macs have no problems (all users have centralized home directories and user account on the OD Server). I have SSL turned on for the LDAP server. >From the K12LTSP server, if I type ldapsearch -x -h helios.shoreschool.org -b dc=shoreschool,dc=org "(uid=*)" dn I get my nice long list of users (here is the last one) # lschutzman, users, shoreschool.org dn: uid=lschutzman,cn=users,dc=shoreschool,dc=org # search result search: 2 result: 0 Success # numResponses: 628 # numEntries: 627 I ran authconfig and checked off the "Use LDAP" checkbox under User Information and "Use LDAP Authentication" under Authentication. I entered the settings for the LDAP server. Server: helios.shoreschool.org Base DN: cn=users,dc=shoreschool,dc=org First I tested this with the "Use TLS" checkbox is unchecked in the LDAP window in authconfig. Anytime I try to log in from one of my LTSP clients with a user in OD, I get the following lines in /var/log/messages: Apr 25 11:08:16 ltsp gdm(pam_unix)[5053]: check pass; user unknown Apr 25 11:08:16 ltsp gdm(pam_unix)[5053]: authentication failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty=ws098.ltsp:0 ruser= rhost=ws098.ltsp Apr 25 11:08:16 ltsp gdm-binary[5053]: pam_krb5[5053]: error resolving user name 'cbutler' to uid/gid pair Apr 25 11:08:16 ltsp gdm-binary[5053]: pam_krb5[5053]: error getting information about 'cbutler' Apr 25 11:08:16 ltsp gdm(pam_unix)[5053]: could not identify user (from getpwnam(cbutler)) Apr 25 11:08:16 ltsp gdm-binary[5053]: pam_krb5[5053]: error resolving user name 'cbutler' to uid/gid pair Apr 25 11:08:16 ltsp gdm-binary[5053]: pam_krb5[5053]: error getting information about 'cbutler' Apr 25 11:08:16 ltsp gdm-binary[5053]: Couldn't set acct. mgmt for cbutler For fun, I even checked the "Use Kerberos" in the Authentication list and that seems to be talking to my KDC just fine. Here is the snipped from the Password Server log that corresponds to the failed login above: Apr 25 2005 11:08:16 RSAPUBLIC: ok Apr 25 2005 11:08:17 RSAVALIDATE: success. Apr 25 2005 11:08:17 USER: {0x40e2f1ac69c81b3b0000022b0000022a, cbutler} is the current user. Apr 25 2005 11:08:17 AUTH: {0x40e2f1ac69c81b3b0000022b0000022a, cbutler} requested mechanism CRAM-MD5. Apr 25 2005 11:08:17 AUTH2: {0x40e2f1ac69c81b3b0000022b0000022a, cbutler} authentication succeeded. Apr 25 2005 11:08:17 QUIT: {0x40e2f1ac69c81b3b0000022b0000022a, cbutler} has disconnected. Then, I tested this with the "Use TLS" checkbox checked in the LDAP Settings window in authconfig. This time, I get these lines in /var/log/messages: Apr 25 11:11:18 ltsp gdm(pam_unix)[5053]: check pass; user unknown Apr 25 11:11:18 ltsp gdm(pam_unix)[5053]: authentication failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty=ws098.ltsp:0 ruser= rhost=ws098.ltsp Apr 25 11:11:18 ltsp gdm-binary[5053]: pam_krb5[5053]: error resolving user name 'cbutler' to uid/gid pair Apr 25 11:11:18 ltsp gdm-binary[5053]: pam_krb5[5053]: error getting information about 'cbutler' Apr 25 11:11:18 ltsp gdm-binary[5053]: pam_ldap: ldap_starttls_s: Connect error Apr 25 11:11:21 ltsp gdm-binary[5053]: Couldn't authenticate user but I get nothing in my Password Server log on the OD server. Finally, I tried this with Kerberos turned off and "Use TLS" turned off and it seemed to work just fine. So, I logged out and logged back in and now it doesn't work! Here are the consecutive lines from /var/log/messages on the LTSP server when I was able to login and then when I tried again it failed: Apr 25 11:21:54 ltsp gdm(pam_unix)[5521]: check pass; user unknown Apr 25 11:21:54 ltsp gdm(pam_unix)[5521]: authentication failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty=ws098.ltsp:0 ruser= rhost=ws098.ltsp Apr 25 11:21:54 ltsp gdm(pam_unix)[5521]: session opened for user cbutler by (uid=0) Apr 25 11:22:12 ltsp gdm(pam_unix)[5521]: session closed for user cbutler Apr 25 11:22:33 ltsp gdm(pam_unix)[5618]: check pass; user unknown Apr 25 11:22:33 ltsp gdm(pam_unix)[5618]: authentication failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty=ws098.ltsp:0 ruser= rhost=ws098.ltsp Apr 25 11:22:33 ltsp gdm(pam_unix)[5618]: could not identify user (from getpwnam(cbutler)) Apr 25 11:22:33 ltsp gdm-binary[5618]: Couldn't set acct. mgmt for cbutler Any idea why this sometimes works and sometimes doesn't? Thanks, Christopher Butler Director of Technology Shore Country Day School Beverly, MA 01915 cbutler at shoreschool.org From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Apr 25 15:48:00 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 10:48:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] How to check current K12ltsp version Message-ID: <006401c549ae$28c47cf0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Here is a silly question, how do I check/verify what version of k12ltsp I am currently running? I just want to verify my yum upgrades and such are bringing me up to date. Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From cwt137 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 25 15:59:18 2005 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 08:59:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] How to check current K12ltsp version In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050425155918.56120.qmail@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> There is a file called /etc/k12ltsp-release that has the info you want. --- Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Here is a silly question, how do I check/verify what > version of k12ltsp > I am currently running? I just want to verify my > yum upgrades and such > are bringing me up to date. > > Jim Kronebusch > Cotter Tech Department > 507-453-5188 > jim at winonacotter.org > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Mon Apr 25 17:04:40 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 12:04:40 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] How to launch an LTSP session from a dedicated Linux box? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: WOW!!!! if that works that easy, I will try it! Thanks! Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Mon, 25 Apr 2005, David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Monday, April 25, 2005 at 11:01 AM +0000 wrote: > >on the side topic. . . > > > >Is PSLinuxOS easier to remaster than Knoppix? > > Oh gosh yes! Simply load it onto a machine...stick in the CD...boot from > it....once it's up....use the "Install to HD script". Make sure you make > a decent sized swap partition....couple gig for room to make the ISO. > Then you reboot and run from the HD. Create accounts you want....install > and remove any software....(I installed several plugins for Firefox) > change any themes or wallpapers. Set any auto-logins you want. Then once > you have everything the way you want it. Use (as su in terminal) > mklivecd (mklivecd livecd.iso) and that's it! It works pretty slick! > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Apr 25 17:11:58 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 12:11:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] How to check current K12ltsp version In-Reply-To: <20050425155918.56120.qmail@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006c01c549b9$e38e5320$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > There is a file called /etc/k12ltsp-release that has > the info you want. Thanks, I checked it and it says 4.2.1-6. Shouldn't it be 4.2.1 only? What is the -6 indicating. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dsokolowsky at lucent.com Mon Apr 25 17:20:19 2005 From: dsokolowsky at lucent.com (Dave Sokolowsky) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 13:20:19 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] How to launch an LTSP session from a dedicated Linux box? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <426D26D3.5030908@lucent.com> k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Doug Simpson wrote: > > WOW!!!! if that works that easy, I will try it! > > Thanks! > > Doug Simpson > > On Mon, 25 Apr 2005, David Trask wrote: > > >>"Support list for opensource software in schools." on >>Monday, April 25, 2005 at 11:01 AM +0000 wrote: >> >>>on the side topic. . . >>> >>>Is PSLinuxOS easier to remaster than Knoppix? >> >>Oh gosh yes! Simply load it onto a machine...stick in the CD...boot from >>it....once it's up....use the "Install to HD script". Make sure you make >>a decent sized swap partition....couple gig for room to make the ISO. >>Then you reboot and run from the HD. Create accounts you want....install >>and remove any software....(I installed several plugins for Firefox) >>change any themes or wallpapers. Set any auto-logins you want. Then once >>you have everything the way you want it. Use (as su in terminal) >>mklivecd (mklivecd livecd.iso) and that's it! It works pretty slick! >> Recent article: Creating a custom Linux LiveCD With PCLinuxOS http://os.newsforge.com/os/05/04/15/134251.shtml?tid=2&tid=150&tid=130&tid=140 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Apr 25 17:39:29 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 13:39:29 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] How to launch an LTSP session from a dedicated Linux box? In-Reply-To: <20050425144847.GM3923@wizzy.com> References: <20050425144847.GM3923@wizzy.com> Message-ID: That's the ticket! Thanks! "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Mon Apr 25 2005 at 10:48 +0000 wrote: >X -query 192.168.0.254 :1 > >Cheers, Andy! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From gumprechtm at msln.net Mon Apr 25 17:53:41 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 13:53:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] ot parsing text files Message-ID: <426D2EA5.9080805@msln.net> Is there an easy way to parse a text file? The file is 1686 emails that come from a filter. It has header info that I don't care about. It says who overrode the filter, from where(ip address), site url, and what the site is blocked for (ie porn, sex,chat). I've searched and it seems the only way is to do a pearl script, and that is where I'm lost. Any help appreciated Mark -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us Mon Apr 25 17:58:18 2005 From: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us (Mark Sarria) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 10:58:18 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Apple Computer Question Message-ID: <200504251828.j3PISueX032256@mx1.redhat.com> Hello All, It's been a while since I have written to this forum, I've no problems install and running k12ltsp. Our school just bought a few Apple iBooks running Mac OS X version 10.2.8 (800 MHZ G3). I have an LDAP Server where my users authenticate to gain access to computers (client: Win XP), my question is how do I set-up Apple computers to do the same. I am a PC guy and although OS X is based on UNIX, It is unfamiliar turf for me. Thank you for your help -mark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les at futuresource.com Mon Apr 25 18:30:36 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 13:30:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] ot parsing text files In-Reply-To: <426D2EA5.9080805@msln.net> References: <426D2EA5.9080805@msln.net> Message-ID: <1114453836.7031.23.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2005-04-25 at 12:53, Mark Gumprecht wrote: > Is there an easy way to parse a text file? The file is 1686 emails that > come from a filter. It has header info that I don't care about. It says > who overrode the filter, from where(ip address), site url, and what the > site is blocked for (ie porn, sex,chat). I've searched and it seems the > only way is to do a pearl script, and that is where I'm lost. Any help > appreciated Perl is probably the best you'll find at text parsing. There are simpler languages (i.e the program does less, the programmer does more) like awk and you can do some things in a shell script. If all you want is to find one or more lines that match a certain pattern you can use grep or sed. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Apr 25 18:46:22 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 14:46:22 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Apple Computer Question In-Reply-To: <200504251828.j3PISueX032256@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200504251828.j3PISueX032256@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: In OS X go to the "utilities" folder and look for Directory Access....you can set up LDAP authentication in there. Let me know if you get stuck and I'll go into it a little deeper. From corycartwright at sbcglobal.net Mon Apr 25 19:05:06 2005 From: corycartwright at sbcglobal.net (CORY CARTWRIGHT) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 12:05:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] ot parsing text files In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050425190506.51698.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> If you can send me an example of the text file I can come up with something to get you started. Cory --- Mark Gumprecht wrote: > Is there an easy way to parse a text file? The file > is 1686 emails that > come from a filter. It has header info that I don't > care about. It says > who overrode the filter, from where(ip address), > site url, and what the > site is blocked for (ie porn, sex,chat). I've > searched and it seems the > only way is to do a pearl script, and that is where > I'm lost. Any help > appreciated > Mark > > -- > Mark Gumprecht > Data Systems Specialist > MSAD3 > Unity, ME > gumprechtm at msln.net > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From cwagnon at bryantschools.org Mon Apr 25 20:21:20 2005 From: cwagnon at bryantschools.org (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 15:21:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Eric's squidguard setup...site that won't block Message-ID: I'm using eric's squidguard setup, it's always worked well for me. For some reason...freearcade.com absolutely will not block. I can't block it by domain, url, ip address, or any of its virtual domains (ww2.freearcade.com, ww7.freearcade.com, etc) Everything's working...I can still add sites and have them blocked. For some reason this refuses to block though. It's been on my local blacklist for a looong time. Why it's recently come back and not being blocked is beyond me. Any ideas? Caleb Wagnon Network Administrator Bryant Public Schools (501)653-5011 ___________________ From mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us Mon Apr 25 21:10:33 2005 From: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us (Mark Sarria) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 14:10:33 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Apple Computer Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200504252110.j3PLAdKm019977@mx3.redhat.com> Well from the looks of things, it looked fairly simple to set-up but after numerous attempts and numerous times being locked out of the computer, I would greatly appreciate it if you would go into details. Steps to Recreate: In Directory access: LDAPv3 Name Server Name or IP LDAP MAPPINGS __________________________________________________________ shsLDAP shsmain From Server Search Base: dc=shs, dc=edu ----> Thenin SHSLDAP Config Configuration Name : shsLDAP Server Name: shsmain Distinguished Name: Manager Password: ********* ____________________________________________________________ AUTHENTUCATION TAB: /LDAPv3/10.230.24.4 The same goes for contacts tab. Thank you. -mark -----Original Message----- From: David Trask [mailto:dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us] Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 11:46 AM To: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us Cc: K12OSN at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Apple Computer Question In OS X go to the "utilities" folder and look for Directory Access....you can set up LDAP authentication in there. Let me know if you get stuck and I'll go into it a little deeper. From haysja at sages.us Mon Apr 25 21:15:13 2005 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 16:15:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Eric's squidguard setup...site that won't block In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <426D5DE1.8080809@sages.us> Did it somehow make it onto a whitelist? Caleb Wagnon wrote: >I'm using eric's squidguard setup, it's always worked well for me. For >some reason...freearcade.com absolutely will not block. I can't block it >by domain, url, ip address, or any of its virtual domains >(ww2.freearcade.com, ww7.freearcade.com, etc) > >Everything's working...I can still add sites and have them blocked. For >some reason this refuses to block though. It's been on my local >blacklist for a looong time. Why it's recently come back and not being >blocked is beyond me. > >Any ideas? > >Caleb Wagnon >Network Administrator >Bryant Public Schools >(501)653-5011 >___________________ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From dbentson at lcsd.k12.wa.us Mon Apr 25 21:59:34 2005 From: dbentson at lcsd.k12.wa.us (Dan Bentson-Royal) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 14:59:34 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Eric's squidguard setup...site that won't block In-Reply-To: <426D5DE1.8080809@sages.us> References: <426D5DE1.8080809@sages.us> Message-ID: <426D6846.2040208@lcsd.k12.wa.us> I have a similar question out regarding this. I can't get anything I've added to the local-block/domains to be blocked. Jim Hays wrote: > Did it somehow make it onto a whitelist? > > > Caleb Wagnon wrote: > >> I'm using eric's squidguard setup, it's always worked well for me. For >> some reason...freearcade.com absolutely will not block. I can't block it >> by domain, url, ip address, or any of its virtual domains >> (ww2.freearcade.com, ww7.freearcade.com, etc) >> >> Everything's working...I can still add sites and have them blocked. For >> some reason this refuses to block though. It's been on my local >> blacklist for a looong time. Why it's recently come back and not being >> blocked is beyond me. >> >> Any ideas? >> >> Caleb Wagnon >> Network Administrator >> Bryant Public Schools >> (501)653-5011 >> ___________________ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- ***NOTE*** Whenever you make a request for LCSD technical assistance, please be sure to report this problem to our helpdesk at: http://help1.lcsd.k12.wa.us/helpdesk/ Dan Bentson-Royal La Center Schools What are employers looking for in an employee? Come to work every day and be on time. Make smart decisions. Follow directions. Concentrate on your work and care about the quality of your work. Read, write, and calculate well. Recognize problems and find solutions. Finish a job when you're supposed to without sacrificing quality. Be honest and dependable. Take the lead and work hard. Communicate well and get along with other people...especially customers. Dress properly and practice good grooming. Be cooperative. Have a positive attitude. From the Northwest Pennsylvania Industrial Resource Center, Inc. From cwagnon at bryantschools.org Mon Apr 25 22:26:48 2005 From: cwagnon at bryantschools.org (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 17:26:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Eric's squidguard setup...site that won't block Message-ID: I'll be...it was on the whitelist. Wonder why. Oh well...thanks! Caleb Wagnon Network Administrator Bryant Public Schools (501)653-5011 ___________________ From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Apr 25 22:45:23 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 15:45:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] How to check current K12ltsp version In-Reply-To: <006c01c549b9$e38e5320$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <006c01c549b9$e38e5320$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 25 Apr 2005, Jim Kronebusch wrote: >> There is a file called /etc/k12ltsp-release that has >> the info you want. > > Thanks, I checked it and it says 4.2.1-6. Shouldn't it be 4.2.1 only? > What is the -6 indicating. The 6th update to the k12ltsp-release package. -Eric From mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us Mon Apr 25 23:58:10 2005 From: mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us (mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 19:58:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] squidGuard - local-block isn't blocked In-Reply-To: <426C2A6F.8070007@lcsd.k12.wa.us> References: <426C2A6F.8070007@lcsd.k12.wa.us> Message-ID: <1515.24.2.210.202.1114473490.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> Also, did your additions accidently make it into local-ok/domains. Just looking for something. Mark From ascensiontech at gmail.com Tue Apr 26 00:02:56 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Ascension Tech) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 20:02:56 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] wine is breaking me Message-ID: <9bd317560504251702f5f3f66@mail.gmail.com> Winetools 2.11 wants wine version 20041019. After installation of the rpm, or seeminly any wine rpm, I get a Segmentation Fault after tyring to run wineserver. When I run winetools I eventually get hung up after a number of unhandled exceptions: [admin at LTSP2 winerpm]$ wt2 found gettext in /usr/bin which: no dillo in (/usr/kerberos/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/home/admin/bin) Browser is /usr/bin/firefox. no suitable Wine directory found... Wine 0 wine is executed as setarch i386 wine Parameters are --noexit Wine is not configured yet! Calls to wine are executed as setarch Config is /home/admin/.wine/winetools.log. CDROM is . Choice is Base setup Choice is Create a fake Windows drive with checked=F waiting for wineservers to exit... all wineservers endet after 0 seconds... Converted temp dir to new entry HKCU\Environment "TEMP" = L"t:\\" Converted path dir to new entry HKCU\Environment "PATH" = L"c:\\windows;c:\\windows\\system" Converted profile dir to new entry HKCU\Environment "USERPROFILE" = L"c:\\windows\\Profiles\\Administrator" Converted windows dir to new entry HKCU\Environment "windir" = L"c:\\windows" Converted system dir to new entry HKCU\Environment "winsysdir" = L"c:\\windows\\system" wine: Unhandled exception (thread 0009), starting debugger... wine: Unhandled exception (thread 000b), starting debugger... wine: Unhandled exception (thread 000d), starting debugger... wine: Unhandled exception (thread 000f), starting debugger... wine: Unhandled exception (thread 0011), starting debugger... wine: Unhandled exception (thread 0013), starting debugger... wine: Unhandled exception (thread 0015), starting debugger... wine: Unhandled exception (thread 0017), starting debugger... wine: Unhandled exception (thread 0019), starting debugger... wine: Unhandled exception (thread 001b), starting debugger... wine: Unhandled exception (thread 001d), starting debugger... wine: Unhandled exception (thread 001f), starting debugger... wine: Unhandled exception (thread 0021), starting debugger... wine: Unhandled exception (thread 0023), starting debugger... wine: Unhandled exception (thread 0025), starting debugger... wine: Unhandled exception (thread 0027), starting debugger... wine: Unhandled exception (thread 0029), starting debugger... wine: Unhandled exception (thread 002b), starting debugger... wine: Unhandled exception (thread 002d), starting debugger... wine: Unhandled exception (thread 002f), starting debugger... wine: Unhandled exception (thread 0031), starting debugger... wine: Unhandled exception (thread 0033), starting debugger... wine: Unhandled exception (thread 0035), starting debugger... wine: Unhandled exception (thread 0037), starting debugger... wine: Unhandled exception (thread 0039), starting debugger... wine: Unhandled exception (thread 003b), starting debugger... wine: Unhandled exception (thread 003d), starting debugger... wine: Unhandled exception (thread 003f), starting debugger... wine: Unhandled exception (thread 0041), starting debugger... wine: Unhandled exception (thread 0043), starting debugger... wine: Unhandled exception (thread 0045), starting debugger... wine: Unhandled exception (thread 0047), starting debugger. etc.etc.etc..... If I keep an existing conf file then it winetools hangs on "waiting for wineservers to exit". Another failed approach is if I try to install from source either with ./configure make, make install or ./tools/installwine, then winetools insists that wine is not installed. What am I doing wrong here? The server is running 4.2 and it's a dual opteron. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Peter From mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us Tue Apr 26 02:20:55 2005 From: mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us (mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 22:20:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] squidGuard - local-block isn't blocked In-Reply-To: <426C2A6F.8070007@lcsd.k12.wa.us> References: <426C2A6F.8070007@lcsd.k12.wa.us> Message-ID: <1801.24.2.210.202.1114482055.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> I'm glad you got it working, but I have not had any problems running the update as root. One final question and I'm not sure that I will phrase it correctly, but I had to disable selinux looking at the squid process in order to get squidGuard to properly work. I think that Eric now has a selinux policy for squidGuard. Mark From datakid at gmail.com Tue Apr 26 03:21:42 2005 From: datakid at gmail.com (musicman) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 13:21:42 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] ot parsing text files In-Reply-To: <20050425190506.51698.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050425190506.51698.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <24261cd050425202197e843f@mail.gmail.com> Definitly recommend perl (motion seconded) - I picked up a perl book lying around at the spacestation, and made a three line command that found (and replaced) all I wanted....It took about 24 hours to wrap my head around the regular expressions, but it was so nice in the end.... L. From joseph.bishay at gmail.com Tue Apr 26 03:53:37 2005 From: joseph.bishay at gmail.com (The Prof) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 23:53:37 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Which server would you prefer? Message-ID: Hello, I've got 2 possible machines in front of me to make into a server: 1) Pentium IV 3.2 Ghz machine with Hyperthreading and 2 GB RAM 2) Quad Pentium Pro machine with 2 GB RAM Which would you rather run as a k12ltsp server? Thanks, Joseph From jeffnels at gmail.com Tue Apr 26 04:51:38 2005 From: jeffnels at gmail.com (Jeff Nelson) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 21:51:38 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Which server would you prefer? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'd go for the P-IV, it'll have lots more processing power and I/O throughput than the quad PPro, even if you add up all 4 processors, and if I'm not mistaken, desktop apps in the usual Linux distributions are not compiled with multi-processor support in mind, so you won't really get the full benefit out of the 4 processors. Jeff On 4/25/05, The Prof wrote: > Hello, > > I've got 2 possible machines in front of me to make into a server: > > 1) Pentium IV 3.2 Ghz machine with Hyperthreading and 2 GB RAM > > 2) Quad Pentium Pro machine with 2 GB RAM > > Which would you rather run as a k12ltsp server? > > Thanks, > Joseph > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Apr 26 06:51:41 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 23:51:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Desktop raid? Message-ID: Apparently we are working on desktop raid ;-) http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/0,2000061733,39189581,00.htm -Eric From nbs at sonic.net Tue Apr 26 07:18:29 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 00:18:29 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] [Local] K12LTSP presentation near San Jose, California - May 4th Message-ID: <20050426071829.GQ5485@sonic.net> Steve Hargadon (who folks should recognize from these parts) will be speaking at next week's Silicon Valley Linux User Group (SVLUG) meeting, just north of San Jose, California. (On Wed. May 4th) Feel free to swing by if you're in the area, or ping your local contacts to go see the presentation! :^) http://www.svlug.org/ -bill! From ascensiontech at gmail.com Tue Apr 26 08:01:55 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Ascension Tech) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 04:01:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Desktop raid? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9bd3175605042601017f15f7a5@mail.gmail.com> I think "a desktop raid" is more descriptive. I kept looking for something in the article that had something do with RAID. Ha! :) -Peter On 4/26/05, Eric Harrison wrote: > > Apparently we are working on desktop raid ;-) > > http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/0,2000061733,39189581,00.htm > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Tue Apr 26 08:46:22 2005 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 16:46:22 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Which server would you prefer? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1114505183.4955.157.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2005-04-25 at 21:51 -0700, Jeff Nelson wrote: > I'd go for the P-IV, it'll have lots more processing power and I/O > throughput than the quad PPro, even if you add up all 4 processors, > and if I'm not mistaken, desktop apps in the usual Linux distributions > are not compiled with multi-processor support in mind, so you won't > really get the full benefit out of the 4 processors. > > Jeff > > On 4/25/05, The Prof wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I've got 2 possible machines in front of me to make into a server: > > > > 1) Pentium IV 3.2 Ghz machine with Hyperthreading and 2 GB RAM > > > > 2) Quad Pentium Pro machine with 2 GB RAM > > > > Which would you rather run as a k12ltsp server? > > > > Thanks, > > Joseph > > > > The beginning of the week is always quiet on this list, so you may see this slip past unnoticed by many :-(. So I'll simply regurgitate the answers given to this question when it's been posed numerous times in the past. The popular answer is contrary to Jeff's answer above. In all cases people with lots of clients have consistently advocated multiple CPU servers, even when that choice has meant slower CPUs. I guess you could update that answer for newer CPUs with hyperthreading, which act as (nearly) two processors in one package. So, it would seem that you would actually be comparing a server with the equivalent of 1.5 - 1.75 processors against the quad CPU machine. With multi-CPU servers, the idea is that the client load gets passed to an unloaded CPU so that the box remains responsive at times that would bring a single-CPU box to its knees. I don't think Jeff's reference to desktop apps is applicable in this case - would only be if the box was used as a workstation rather than a server. I'm going to stick my neck out and say that the frontline gurus would probably weigh in favour of the quad box. Let's see if they pick up your question as the week unfolds :-) -- Regards, Gavin Chester From hick518 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 26 10:24:04 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 03:24:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] wine is breaking me In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050426102404.56523.qmail@web41611.mail.yahoo.com> I recently used Winetools on Mandrake and it works pretty well, so keep trying! I'd double-check that you didn't already have a version of wine installed when you went to install 20041019. I believe that the wine folks recommend always uninstalling your existing version before upgrading to a new version. On another note, when you use Winetools to install Windows fonts, the website that it grabs them from doesn't respond (at least it hasn't for me in the past few weeks). You can find all the font files on sourceforge -- just google for them. You'll see their filenames in the terminal window if you let Winetools try to download them. -Rob --- Ascension Tech wrote: > Winetools 2.11 wants wine version 20041019. After > installation of the > rpm, or seeminly any wine rpm, I get a Segmentation > Fault after tyring > to run wineserver. When I run winetools I > eventually get hung up > after a number of unhandled exceptions: > > > [admin at LTSP2 winerpm]$ wt2 > found gettext in /usr/bin > which: no dillo in > (/usr/kerberos/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/home/admin/bin) > Browser is /usr/bin/firefox. > no suitable Wine directory found... > Wine 0 > wine is executed as setarch i386 wine > Parameters are --noexit > Wine is not configured yet! > Calls to wine are executed as setarch > Config is /home/admin/.wine/winetools.log. > CDROM is . > Choice is Base setup > Choice is Create a fake Windows drive with checked=F > waiting for wineservers to exit... > all wineservers endet after 0 seconds... > Converted temp dir to new entry HKCU\Environment > "TEMP" = L"t:\\" > Converted path dir to new entry HKCU\Environment > "PATH" = > L"c:\\windows;c:\\windows\\system" > Converted profile dir to new entry HKCU\Environment > "USERPROFILE" = > L"c:\\windows\\Profiles\\Administrator" > Converted windows dir to new entry HKCU\Environment > "windir" = L"c:\\windows" > Converted system dir to new entry HKCU\Environment > "winsysdir" = > L"c:\\windows\\system" > wine: Unhandled exception (thread 0009), starting > debugger... > wine: Unhandled exception (thread 000b), starting > debugger... > wine: Unhandled exception (thread 000d), starting > debugger... > wine: Unhandled exception (thread 000f), starting > debugger... > wine: Unhandled exception (thread 0011), starting > debugger... > wine: Unhandled exception (thread 0013), starting > debugger... > wine: Unhandled exception (thread 0015), starting > debugger... > wine: Unhandled exception (thread 0017), starting > debugger... > wine: Unhandled exception (thread 0019), starting > debugger... > wine: Unhandled exception (thread 001b), starting > debugger... > wine: Unhandled exception (thread 001d), starting > debugger... > wine: Unhandled exception (thread 001f), starting > debugger... > wine: Unhandled exception (thread 0021), starting > debugger... > wine: Unhandled exception (thread 0023), starting > debugger... > wine: Unhandled exception (thread 0025), starting > debugger... > wine: Unhandled exception (thread 0027), starting > debugger... > wine: Unhandled exception (thread 0029), starting > debugger... > wine: Unhandled exception (thread 002b), starting > debugger... > wine: Unhandled exception (thread 002d), starting > debugger... > wine: Unhandled exception (thread 002f), starting > debugger... > wine: Unhandled exception (thread 0031), starting > debugger... > wine: Unhandled exception (thread 0033), starting > debugger... > wine: Unhandled exception (thread 0035), starting > debugger... > wine: Unhandled exception (thread 0037), starting > debugger... > wine: Unhandled exception (thread 0039), starting > debugger... > wine: Unhandled exception (thread 003b), starting > debugger... > wine: Unhandled exception (thread 003d), starting > debugger... > wine: Unhandled exception (thread 003f), starting > debugger... > wine: Unhandled exception (thread 0041), starting > debugger... > wine: Unhandled exception (thread 0043), starting > debugger... > wine: Unhandled exception (thread 0045), starting > debugger... > wine: Unhandled exception (thread 0047), starting > debugger. > > > etc.etc.etc..... > > If I keep an existing conf file then it winetools > hangs on "waiting > for wineservers to exit". Another failed approach is > if I try to > install from source either with ./configure make, > make install or > ./tools/installwine, then winetools insists that > wine is not > installed. What am I doing wrong here? The server > is running 4.2 and > it's a dual opteron. Any help would be greatly > appreciated. > > Thanks, > Peter > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From spowers at inlandlakes.org Tue Apr 26 11:21:47 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 07:21:47 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Which server would you prefer? In-Reply-To: <1114505183.4955.157.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1114505183.4955.157.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <426E244B.1050605@inlandlakes.org> Gavin Chester wrote: > The popular answer is contrary to Jeff's answer above I'm used to being unpopular, so I'll go the other way. :) I agree with Jeff. Pentium Pro is just waaaaay to old. My thin clients have more horsepower than a pentium pro... I have a quad Xeon (500mhz) server that is too pokey for wide scale use. If you knocked that down to a Pentium Pro, I think it would be painful. Try installing linux on the machine, and use it as a desktop. My gut feeling is that even as a 1 user computer, you're going to be disappointed with the Pentium Pro. Just my 2 cents... -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From les at futuresource.com Tue Apr 26 12:55:59 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 07:55:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Which server would you prefer? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1114520158.17215.10.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2005-04-25 at 22:53, The Prof wrote: > I've got 2 possible machines in front of me to make into a server: > > 1) Pentium IV 3.2 Ghz machine with Hyperthreading and 2 GB RAM > > 2) Quad Pentium Pro machine with 2 GB RAM > > Which would you rather run as a k12ltsp server? The quad ppro is probably a server-class machine with bulletproof power supplies, scsi and a bunch of drive bays. Turn that into a file server and export /home from it. You might want to load Centos on it so you can get updates for a while without re-installing. Then install k12ltsp on the P4 box, which won't need a lot of disk space. When you need your 2nd k12ltsp server you'll be ready to mount up the same /home into another cheap but fast P4 box. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Apr 26 13:09:04 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 09:09:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Apple Computer Question In-Reply-To: <200504252110.j3PLAdKm019977@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200504252110.j3PLAdKm019977@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us on Mon Apr 25 2005 at 17:10 +0000 wrote: >dc=shs, dc=edu First of all...NO spaces....should be dc=shs,dc=edu Make sure this is the actual domain from the LDAP server....LDAP is an exact science. Also...try the server IP address and see if that works as opposed to the name. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From petre at maltzen.net Tue Apr 26 13:06:29 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 08:06:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Which server would you prefer? In-Reply-To: <426E244B.1050605@inlandlakes.org> References: <1114505183.4955.157.camel@localhost.localdomain> <426E244B.1050605@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <426E3CD5.1040000@maltzen.net> In my case, the decision was made for me: LTSP (FC3) would not install on my dual-PPro HP box. I did get Xandros on it, but, as Shawn suggests, it's sluggish and I don't think would work well as *conventional* terminal server. By conventional I mean one running apps that are popular today, such as OOo, Firefox, Evo, etc. I suspect that if one were providing just vt100-style terminal sessions to the clients, the quad box would handle adding many more users more gracefully than the P4 box. Terminal sessions (the green screen kind) don't take much processing power, and having four CPUs would give you a 'broader' base for supporting multiples of them. But there's not much call for such terminal servers any more. Petre Shawn Powers wrote: > Gavin Chester wrote: > >> The popular answer is contrary to Jeff's answer above > > > I'm used to being unpopular, so I'll go the other way. :) I agree with > Jeff. Pentium Pro is just waaaaay to old. My thin clients have more > horsepower than a pentium pro... > > I have a quad Xeon (500mhz) server that is too pokey for wide scale use. > If you knocked that down to a Pentium Pro, I think it would be painful. > > Try installing linux on the machine, and use it as a desktop. My gut > feeling is that even as a 1 user computer, you're going to be > disappointed with the Pentium Pro. > > Just my 2 cents... > -Shawn > > From gary.frederick at jsoft.com Tue Apr 26 13:20:38 2005 From: gary.frederick at jsoft.com (Gary Frederick) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 08:20:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Given this situation, why bother continue with LTSP? In-Reply-To: References: <20050421100113.55508.qmail@web41623.mail.yahoo.com> <4267B224.8010701@maltzen.net> <1114098463.7727.65.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <1114521638.3295.60.camel@server.ltsp> Howdy I talked with the person that gave me the two servers Sunday. He got both SUSE and Redhat to run on another Proliant. I downloaded a SUSE 9.2 LiveCD and it worked on the 6000. It did not work on the 2500 but that was probably because I did not give it the right parameters to memory map the memory. I will get k12ltsp to run on them some day. More to be able to show the kids a multi processor system than cause we need it. Gary On Thu, 2005-04-21 at 12:27 -0400, The Prof wrote: > Hmm...this is not good. Can anyone confirm that a Proliant server will > work with K12ltsp? And is anyone using PXE with the dell GX150s? We > are using floppies with our current setup, which is resulting in > confusion and some problems ("what's this disk in here..hmm..must be > old - I'll just toss it out" Even though they have written on them DO > NOT REMOVE!) > > Thanks, > Joseph > > On 4/21/05, Gary Frederick wrote: > > On Thu, 2005-04-21 at 11:14 -0400, The Prof wrote: > > > Hello again, > > > > > Details: I checked with the gentleman helping us, and the details of > > > the machines are: Dell GX150 as clients (PIII 1.1 Ghz, 256 MB Ram), > > > and a Proliant 5500 Pentium Pro Quad processor with 8 gig. In terms of > > > > FWIW > > > > I have a Proliant 6000 with 4 processors and a Proliant 2500 with 2 > > processors that I have NOT been able to get k12ltsp to run on > > yet!!! > > > > I like the suggestion to run both. It would be interesting to see what > > the users 'vote' for after they have been up for a while. > > > > Both is more administration... > > > > Gary > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Apr 26 14:22:15 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 09:22:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Which server would you prefer? In-Reply-To: <1114520158.17215.10.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <002101c54a6b$586d95a0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > The quad ppro is probably a server-class machine with > bulletproof power supplies, scsi and a bunch of drive bays. > Turn that into a file server and export /home from it. You > might want to load Centos on it so you can get updates for a > while without re-installing. Then install k12ltsp on the P4 > box, which won't need a lot of disk space. When you need > your 2nd k12ltsp server you'll be ready to mount up the same > /home into another cheap but fast P4 box. My vote is with Les on this. If your Quad machine is equipped with a SCSI Array exporting /home from it to the PIV box should get you the best performance. My normal recommendation would be to use the Quad machine as the LTSP machine, but like others have said, Pentium Pro's are old! If I remember right your looking at 200MHZ or slower per processor, if you had 800MHZ or above it might be better. And this way you use both servers instead of picking one and keeping the other on the shelf, and should also make it easier to add more servers in the future like Les indicated. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Apr 26 14:26:16 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 09:26:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Desktop raid? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002201c54a6b$e81f5210$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Apparently we are working on desktop raid ;-) > > http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/0,2000061733,39189581,00.htm Go get 'em :-) Look out Bill, Ubuntu is coming. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From AMKLICZA at renlearn.com Tue Apr 26 14:38:25 2005 From: AMKLICZA at renlearn.com (Andre Kliczak) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 09:38:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Firefox - Linux Compatibility? Message-ID: <9416AEAA6AD695408077E87C319CAE410256783A@MAIL5> > Here's a question: If a vendor of software to schools creates a product > which runs on the Firefox Browser, will that product run on ANY linux > machine? Or are there some versions of Linux on which Firefox will not > run? > > Thanks. > > Andre Kliczak > 608-235-3379 > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david at okgoodwill.org Tue Apr 26 14:40:30 2005 From: david at okgoodwill.org (David H. Barr) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 09:40:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Firefox - Linux Compatibility? Message-ID: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E2821FBCC4@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> If a vendor of software to schools creates a product which is standards compliant, that product will run on virtually ANY machine, *nix, *bsd, or win. There are no versions of a modern OS for use in an educational environment which do not include some sort of appropriate browser. To answer your second question: there are few versions of Linux for which Firefox cannot be readily compiled; there are none that you would want to use in a general education environment (servers, embedded, floppy-based, etc.) -dhbarr. Around Tuesday, April 26, 2005 9:38 AM, Andre Kliczak (mailto:AMKLICZA at renlearn.com) wrote: > Here's a question: If a vendor of software to schools creates a > product which runs on the Firefox Browser, will that product run on > ANY linux machine? Or are there some versions of Linux on which > Firefox will not run? From swift at msad52.k12.me.us Tue Apr 26 14:48:39 2005 From: swift at msad52.k12.me.us (Randall Swift) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 10:48:39 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] single user for samba/ldap PDC Message-ID: I have done away with with my windows domain controller and replaced it using a Samba/LDAP server (using David Trask instructions). Everything has gone smoothly so far. I generated 1200 users with the bulk user add script and created groups. The problem I need help (and I should know this) with is what are the terminal commands to create a single user and put them into an existing group. Also how do I create a user with administrator privelages across the domain? I also would like my k12ltsp box to authenticate to this new server. I have run authconfig but I am not sure which of the settings I am suppose to choose. Thanks for the help. Randy Swift Network Administrator Leavitt Area High School Turner, Maine 04282 (207)225-3533 swift at msad52.k12.me.us From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Tue Apr 26 14:52:40 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 15:52:40 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] single user for samba/ldap PDC References: Message-ID: <008c01c54a6f$982a9540$65c8a8c0@brianwork> Randall Swift wrote: > I have done away with with my windows domain controller and replaced > it using a Samba/LDAP server (using David Trask instructions). > Everything has gone smoothly so far. I generated 1200 users with the > bulk user add script and created groups. The problem I need help (and > I should know this) with is what are the terminal commands to create > a single user and put them into an existing group. Also how do I > create a user with administrator privelages across the domain? > > I also would like my k12ltsp box to authenticate to this new server. I > have run authconfig but I am not sure which of the settings I am > suppose to choose. Thanks for the help. > > Randy Swift > Network Administrator > Leavitt Area High School > Turner, Maine 04282 > (207)225-3533 > swift at msad52.k12.me.us > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see I've been looking into adding single users and I've found a few solutions. The first is to use Webmin (www.webmin.com) this has a LDAP user section which will allow you to add users. Another is LAM (LDAP account manager - http://lam.sourceforge.net/) this is really good, you'll need apache & php installed on the box but not too hard. The final one is Samba Console from Idealx, this looks really nice takes a bit of configuration but does work. I'm about to build a Samba / LDAP server for our College and I think I'm going to use a combination of Webmin & LAM, idealx is nice but I'm going to have to have a play with it before I let it loss with the other admins. Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From joseph.bishay at gmail.com Tue Apr 26 15:00:05 2005 From: joseph.bishay at gmail.com (The Prof) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 11:00:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Which server would you prefer? In-Reply-To: <20050426142010.10829.qmail@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050426142010.10829.qmail@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hello, The idea of using both machines for LTSP won't work sadly. As was suggested in another thread on the mailing list, I'll be using one machine as a Windows Server and the other machine for a LTSP server. I'd much rather have the better machine for LTSP than Windows hence my original question. I originally posed this question in a way to ensure a fair comparison between the two machines. Now I know that RAM is a very important factor, and from what I understand, the Quad Pentium Pro machine can hold up to 8 GB of RAM, while the P4 can only do 4 GB. If that is the case, does it sway things in favour of the Quad? I only mention this now because the Quad will be shipped with 2 GB RAM so I'll have to get the other modules myself. Joseph On 4/26/05, Chris Thomas wrote: > Hello, > > Go for the P4 for a few reasons: > > 1. PPro doesn't have MMX, SSE or any of the recent > instruction sets that speed up operations. > > 2. At most, the quad system would be kind of similar > to a 800MHz computer. > > 3. If you could underclock the P4 to the speed of the > PPro, 180 or 200 MHz, I think the P4 would still be > faster. > > PPros, specially the quads, are ment to hold up to a > beating. I would use the PPro box in a mission > critical area people don't care about performance that > much. For example, LDAP/Samba server, email server, > proxy server, etc. > > Chris > > --- The Prof wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I've got 2 possible machines in front of me to make > > into a server: > > > > 1) Pentium IV 3.2 Ghz machine with Hyperthreading > > and 2 GB RAM > > > > 2) Quad Pentium Pro machine with 2 GB RAM > > > > Which would you rather run as a k12ltsp server? > > > > Thanks, > > Joseph > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Apr 26 15:15:58 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 11:15:58 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] single user for samba/ldap PDC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, April 26, 2005 at 10:48 AM +0000 wrote: >I have done away with with my windows domain controller and replaced it >using a Samba/LDAP server (using David Trask instructions). Everything has >gone smoothly so far. I generated 1200 users with the bulk user add script >and created groups. The problem I need help (and I should know this) with >is what are the terminal commands to create a single user and put them >into an existing group. Also how do I create a user with administrator >privelages across the domain? ++++++++++++++++++++++++ To add a single user via the command line and join a specific group...use this smbldap-useradd -m -a -g 526 username (where 526 is the actual group ID you want them to join...use your own values) if you don't know the group ID, but you do know of another user who is in that group...run id username and this will yield the results you're looking for...example.... uid=1001(ntrask) gid=513(Domain Users) groups=513(Domain Users) *here we see the group ID (gid) is "513" For admin users...simply put them in the domain admins group. After running the command to add the user you'll need to run smbldap-passwd username to set the password for the new user (To be perfectly honest....I simply use the bulk user scripts...except I make a copy and simply add one or two users using the same method I used to add hundreds) +++++++++++ > > >I also would like my k12ltsp box to authenticate to this new server. I >have run authconfig but I am not sure which of the settings I am suppose >to choose. Thanks for the help. ++++++++++++ See Step 15 in the how-to....do everything the same....EXCEPT...instead of 127.0.0.1....use the real IP address of the Samba/LDAP server you're pointing to. Also...if you set up NFS to export the home directories when you set up the Samba/LDAP server running the smbldap-installer script....you'll need to edit the fstab file to mount the home directories on the K12LTSP server....in the How-To....scroll down to the section on "Additional Notes...." and look for the NFS Exports heading....everything is explained in there. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From tlegge at rogers.com Tue Apr 26 15:14:02 2005 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 11:14:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Firefox - Linux Compatibility? In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050426151402.58496.qmail@web88203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > > Here's a question: If a vendor of software to > schools creates a > > product which runs on the Firefox Browser, will > that product run on > > ANY linux machine? Or are there some versions of > Linux on which > > Firefox will not run? This requires some thought. Things that run on Firefox for Windows are not necessarily supported under Linux. For example, our company launched a product that runs fine under FireFox in windows but the propritary viewer plugin is windows only. It will not run under Linux. So, if the site uses something similar (especially multimedia plugins), it should be designed from the ground up on Linux to ensure that the developer does not use windows only plugins. However, FireFox should run on most Linux versions that you would use. Tim From cwt137 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 26 14:20:10 2005 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 07:20:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Which server would you prefer? In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050426142010.10829.qmail@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello, Go for the P4 for a few reasons: 1. PPro doesn't have MMX, SSE or any of the recent instruction sets that speed up operations. 2. At most, the quad system would be kind of similar to a 800MHz computer. 3. If you could underclock the P4 to the speed of the PPro, 180 or 200 MHz, I think the P4 would still be faster. PPros, specially the quads, are ment to hold up to a beating. I would use the PPro box in a mission critical area people don't care about performance that much. For example, LDAP/Samba server, email server, proxy server, etc. Chris --- The Prof wrote: > Hello, > > I've got 2 possible machines in front of me to make > into a server: > > 1) Pentium IV 3.2 Ghz machine with Hyperthreading > and 2 GB RAM > > 2) Quad Pentium Pro machine with 2 GB RAM > > Which would you rather run as a k12ltsp server? > > Thanks, > Joseph > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us Tue Apr 26 15:47:22 2005 From: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us (Mark Sarria) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 08:47:22 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Apple Computer Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200504261547.j3QFlMuQ002750@mx3.redhat.com> This has now become a challenge for me; I made the suggested changes; using IP instead of name and removing the space from the base search. I even added the addition of configuring SMB. The iBook is know in my workgroup and shares its files just fine. But I still can't get it to authenticate. In the Directory Access program I did find a quick way to test my set up. Next to Directory Access on the top menus is Server --> Connect. I tried connecting to the server and got this message: ------------------------------------------------- (using: 10.230.24.4 --root--******) Can't connect to server Directory Services may not be installed on the remote server, they may be turned of, or the URL may have been entered incorrectly. --------------------------------------------------------------- I performed a default install of the k12-Fedore OS and configured LDAP using the Script. Am I to make changes to the default configuration of the script? Am I missing something- (like Netatalk) ? Is there a scheme I must add ? Just possible questions I am asking myself to get this working? --thanks for your time and help -mark -----Original Message----- From: David Trask [mailto:dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us] Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 6:09 AM To: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us Cc: K12OSN at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Apple Computer Question mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us on Mon Apr 25 2005 at 17:10 +0000 wrote: >dc=shs, dc=edu First of all...NO spaces....should be dc=shs,dc=edu Make sure this is the actual domain from the LDAP server....LDAP is an exact science. Also...try the server IP address and see if that works as opposed to the name. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From les at futuresource.com Tue Apr 26 16:18:36 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 11:18:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Which server would you prefer? In-Reply-To: References: <1114520158.17215.10.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1114532316.26921.8.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-04-26 at 08:01, The Prof wrote: > Hello, > > Yes the quad Pentium is the Compaq Proliant server (I think the 5000 series). > > I, in my limited knowledge, thought that exporting /home was not an > intensive task and should be relegated to the most 'basic' P4 machine, > while all the more intensive k12ltsp applications should be served off > the proliant. Is it not a waste to dedicate 4 processors to pushing > out /home? The ppro is still slow. Even with 4 of them it isn't going to make a good thing to drive X clients. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Tue Apr 26 16:23:45 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 11:23:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Which server would you prefer? In-Reply-To: References: <20050426142010.10829.qmail@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1114532625.26921.14.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-04-26 at 10:00, The Prof wrote: > Hello, > > The idea of using both machines for LTSP won't work sadly. As was > suggested in another thread on the mailing list, I'll be using one > machine as a Windows Server and the other machine for a LTSP server. > I'd much rather have the better machine for LTSP than Windows hence my > original question. Does it have to *run* windows or just act as a windows file server? The ppro could easily share /home via NFS to the k12ltsp users and also samba-share the same and other directories to windows clients. > I originally posed this question in a way to ensure a fair comparison > between the two machines. Now I know that RAM is a very important > factor, and from what I understand, the Quad Pentium Pro machine can > hold up to 8 GB of RAM, while the P4 can only do 4 GB. If that is the > case, does it sway things in favour of the Quad? I only mention this > now because the Quad will be shipped with 2 GB RAM so I'll have to get > the other modules myself. Unless you can find used memory for the ppro, you can't afford it. The 2 gig it has is fine for a file server (either way) and you'll be OK with 4GB in the P4 for k12ltsp and oddly enough, new fast memory is much cheaper. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From joseph.bishay at gmail.com Tue Apr 26 16:30:36 2005 From: joseph.bishay at gmail.com (The Prof) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 12:30:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Which server would you prefer? In-Reply-To: <1114532625.26921.14.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <20050426142010.10829.qmail@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1114532625.26921.14.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: Hello, Les wrote: > Does it have to *run* windows or just act as a windows file server? > The ppro could easily share /home via NFS to the k12ltsp users and > also samba-share the same and other directories to windows clients. Well, this is to appease those who want a windows networked environment. The goal is to have the clients dual-boot, and if they boot into Windows XP then they'd be able to log in and have their desktop pulled down from the server and access all their files, settings etc. (just like ltsp). So I think it needs to run windows, not just a windows file server, non? > > case, does it sway things in favour of the Quad? I only mention this > > now because the Quad will be shipped with 2 GB RAM so I'll have to get > > the other modules myself. > > Unless you can find used memory for the ppro, you can't afford it. The > 2 gig it has is fine for a file server (either way) and you'll be OK > with 4GB in the P4 for k12ltsp and oddly enough, new fast memory is > much cheaper. I did not know that. I haven't started looking for the RAM because I am not sure of the specifics for the Proliant RAM. In addition, a question has been raised if it can actually support 8 GB, or only 4 GB. Joseph From jhansknecht at hanstech.com Tue Apr 26 16:40:11 2005 From: jhansknecht at hanstech.com (John Hansknecht) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 12:40:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] TeacherTool question Message-ID: <200504261240.11067.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> Hi folks, I just copied the teacher tool script to my ltsp server. It works great for the root user but the teachers I give access do can't kill processes or logout users because they don't have the right permissions. What is the correct way to get the permissions set so that: 1) Only the teachers can run the script (I am doing this with a group) 2) So that it runs with the correct permissions (root?) so that it has the authority to kill user processes or logoff users? -- Thanks, John The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. - Mattrol at uscom.com (Drakmere) From hoffmann at fidnet.com Tue Apr 26 17:09:35 2005 From: hoffmann at fidnet.com (hoffmann at fidnet.com) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 12:09:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Message-ID: How difficult will it be for someone with very little computer experience to set up a K12LTSP network? How much technical expertise would someone need? Thanks. ___________________________________________________________ Fidelity Communications Webmail - http://webmail.fidnet.com From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Apr 26 17:23:41 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 12:23:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Which server would you prefer? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002f01c54a84$b1344b20$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Well, this is to appease those who want a windows networked > environment. The goal is to have the clients dual-boot, and > if they boot into Windows XP then they'd be able to log in > and have their desktop pulled down from the server and access > all their files, settings etc. (just like ltsp). So I think > it needs to run windows, not just a windows file server, non? This is exactly where the SAMBA/LDAP setup comes in. This will allow you to have a linux box host roaming profiles just as a Window Server would. Your users will never know the difference. The only catch is if they need to run an app from the server that is windows based. > I did not know that. I haven't started looking for the RAM > because I am not sure of the specifics for the Proliant RAM. > In addition, a question has been raised if it can actually > support 8 GB, or only 4 GB. Most likely this is like one of my old quad processor machines and uses EDO RAM. Vary antique and slow compared to the new stuff. My vote is still for 2 servers, the quad as /home and the PIV for LTSP serving. Configure SAMBA/LDAP on the PIV and your Windows users will be able to use this same setup as well. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From petre at maltzen.net Tue Apr 26 17:57:24 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 12:57:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Which server would you prefer? In-Reply-To: <002f01c54a84$b1344b20$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <002f01c54a84$b1344b20$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <426E8104.6090808@maltzen.net> Wouldn't he do better to run Samba/LDAP on the quad, so that one box handles the user's home directory regardless of whether coming from LTSP or a Windows client? Putting it on the PIV makes the Windows clients dependent upon both servers, whereas putting it on the quad makes them dependent only on the quad, right? Petre Jim Kronebusch wrote: >>Well, this is to appease those who want a windows networked >>environment. The goal is to have the clients dual-boot, and >>if they boot into Windows XP then they'd be able to log in >>and have their desktop pulled down from the server and access >>all their files, settings etc. (just like ltsp). So I think >>it needs to run windows, not just a windows file server, non? > > > This is exactly where the SAMBA/LDAP setup comes in. This will allow > you to have a linux box host roaming profiles just as a Window Server > would. Your users will never know the difference. The only catch is if > they need to run an app from the server that is windows based. > > >>I did not know that. I haven't started looking for the RAM >>because I am not sure of the specifics for the Proliant RAM. >>In addition, a question has been raised if it can actually >>support 8 GB, or only 4 GB. > > > Most likely this is like one of my old quad processor machines and uses > EDO RAM. Vary antique and slow compared to the new stuff. > > My vote is still for 2 servers, the quad as /home and the PIV for LTSP > serving. Configure SAMBA/LDAP on the PIV and your Windows users will be > able to use this same setup as well. > > From petre at maltzen.net Tue Apr 26 17:59:47 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 12:59:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OSS lowers support costs for schools Message-ID: <426E8193.1030001@maltzen.net> Saw this about a report in the UK, due out in a week or so, showing that OSS lowers schools' PC support costs, which is usually used to make for greated deployments rather than saving money. http://www.egovmonitor.com/node/695 Petre From petre at maltzen.net Tue Apr 26 18:05:35 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 13:05:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <426E82EF.1030302@maltzen.net> hoffmann at fidnet.com wrote: > How difficult will it be for someone with very little computer experience to > set up a K12LTSP network? Not very. How much technical expertise would someone need? > Not much. Glibness aside, the installation is quite easy as most of the default settings work quite well, so you can largely just click on the OK button during the installtion. Since it's free software, the best thing to do is to get the CDs, get a decent machine to act as a server, a few cast-offs to act as clients, plug them into a separate switch, and try it out. The documentation at http://www.ltsp.org/documentation/ltsp-4.1/ltsp-4.1.3-en.html is quite helpful. And if you get stuck, post a message on this list and many people will try to help you. Try it, you've got nothing to lose and so much to gain. Petre > Thanks. > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Fidelity Communications Webmail - http://webmail.fidnet.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From Mike.Karolow at mail.sprint.com Tue Apr 26 18:25:53 2005 From: Mike.Karolow at mail.sprint.com (Karolow, Mike [ITS]) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 13:25:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Message-ID: I think the hardest part was dealing with a mishmash of Ethernet cards when I first started. Getting the universal disk to work was a chore at first. I think I had my first "Ah Ha!" moment when I took my Dell laptop and realized that it supported PXE Booting. Just getting one machine connected, even though it wouldn't be part of the finished network, was a real encouragement. M -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of hoffmann at fidnet.com Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 1:10 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP How difficult will it be for someone with very little computer experience to set up a K12LTSP network? How much technical expertise would someone need? Thanks. ___________________________________________________________ Fidelity Communications Webmail - http://webmail.fidnet.com _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From les at futuresource.com Tue Apr 26 18:28:21 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 13:28:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Which server would you prefer? In-Reply-To: References: <20050426142010.10829.qmail@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1114532625.26921.14.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1114540100.26921.54.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-04-26 at 11:30, The Prof wrote: > > Does it have to *run* windows or just act as a windows file server? > > The ppro could easily share /home via NFS to the k12ltsp users and > > also samba-share the same and other directories to windows clients. > > Well, this is to appease those who want a windows networked > environment. The goal is to have the clients dual-boot, and if they > boot into Windows XP then they'd be able to log in and have their > desktop pulled down from the server and access all their files, > settings etc. (just like ltsp). So I think it needs to run windows, > not just a windows file server, non? The Samba/LDAP setup that has been discussed on this list for a while is perfect for dual boot clients. If you set that up on the ppro machine and add the users there it can act as a PDC for the windows users and hold their desktops/settings if you want roaming profiles and the same files will appear in their home directories when booting into k12ltsp. I'm not sure if the scripted LDAP setup will work on Centos or not. You might have to install k12ltsp on both boxes to make the setup easy. > > Unless you can find used memory for the ppro, you can't afford it. The > > 2 gig it has is fine for a file server (either way) and you'll be OK > > with 4GB in the P4 for k12ltsp and oddly enough, new fast memory is > > much cheaper. > > I did not know that. I haven't started looking for the RAM because I > am not sure of the specifics for the Proliant RAM. In addition, a > question has been raised if it can actually support 8 GB, or only 4 > GB. When you need more than a gig of RAM or SCSI drives, the add-ons can easily exceed the cost of the base machine. The ppro box may already have a nice raid controller and hotswap drive carriers which are also big ticket items. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Tue Apr 26 18:33:39 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 13:33:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1114540419.26921.60.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-04-26 at 12:09, hoffmann at fidnet.com wrote: > How difficult will it be for someone with very little computer experience to > set up a K12LTSP network? How much technical expertise would someone need? If you can use the default 2-nic configuration with the clients on a separate switch, it will just come up working after the install. There may be some problems with particular hardware but the people on this list have a lot of experience if you need help with that. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Apr 26 18:49:45 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 13:49:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Which server would you prefer? In-Reply-To: <426E8104.6090808@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <000001c54a90$b6e898d0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Wouldn't he do better to run Samba/LDAP on the quad, so that > one box handles the user's > home directory regardless of whether coming from LTSP or a > Windows client? Putting it > on the PIV makes the Windows clients dependent upon both > servers, whereas putting it on > the quad makes them dependent only on the quad, right? Since the only thing the Quad would be doing is running some os to export NFS nothing extra should need to be on that box. If the PIV is loaded with K12LTSP and has SAMBA/LDAP slammed on top of it all users of both systems should be able to access the same home directories and files from either platform. Just be sure that the profiles folder for each user is stored either in their respective home folders on the Quad or in some other exported directory from that machine (in order to gain the speed of the SCSI array when accessing profiles). If users need to be duplicated on the quad machine you should be able to join the LDAP from the PIV server. If this is incorrect someone please correct me. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Apr 26 20:01:05 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 16:01:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <1114540419.26921.60.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1114540419.26921.60.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, April 26, 2005 at 2:33 PM +0000 wrote: >> How difficult will it be for someone with very little computer >experience to >> set up a K12LTSP network? How much technical expertise would someone >need? Why don't you give it a try and let us help you? That's what we're here for. Get a computer that you can play around with (for the server) and another machine that you can use as a terminal and give it a try. It's a great way to learn and once you get going and get into using Linux you'll love it. K12LTSP actually is very easy to set up....simply do a default install and it will just work. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From gentgeen at linuxmail.org Tue Apr 26 20:07:13 2005 From: gentgeen at linuxmail.org (Kevin Squire) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 16:07:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050426160713.2b0b66b3@linuxbox> Just as some in-sight, I had almost NO working knowledge of Linux before implimenting a K12LTSP lab in my classroom. I used a spare "teacher computer" (Dell 2.xGHz with 256MB RAM) as the server, and a few OLD 133MHz 32MB RAM cast offs as the clients. As mentioned, the only hard part was that I had a mis-match of NIC cards in the clients. If I would have had the same model in each I probably would have been up and running in a day. Since then, I have switched to Linux as my main OS, switched my wife as well, and feel REALLY confident using it (not that I am any kind of GRU yet). But mostly because of this group and excellent experience I had with the K12LTSP distro. Good Luck, and remember that we are all here to help. Kevin On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 12:09:35 -0500 wrote: > How difficult will it be for someone with very little computer > experience to set up a K12LTSP network? How much technical expertise > would someone need? > > Thanks. > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Fidelity Communications Webmail - http://webmail.fidnet.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- From henryhartley at westat.com Tue Apr 26 20:33:07 2005 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 16:33:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Which server would you prefer? Message-ID: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D1C1FC7@MAILBE2.westat.com> On: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 at 12:31 PM, The Prof said: >> >> > Unless you can find used memory for the ppro, you can't afford >> > it. The 2 gig it has is fine for a file server (either way) >> > and you'll be OK with 4GB in the P4 for k12ltsp and oddly enough, >> > new fast memory is much cheaper. >> >> I did not know that. I haven't started looking for the RAM because >> I am not sure of the specifics for the Proliant RAM. In addition, >> a question has been raised if it can actually support 8 GB, or >> only 4 GB. According to this site, http://www.upgradememory.com/ProLiant_5000_6_166_200_500_C1146.cfm the proliant 5000 only takes up to 4GB of RAM. From the HP Parts store, it goes for $172 for 64MB DIMMs and $145 for 128MB DIMMs (which seems bit odd to me but hey, what do I know?). -- Henry From hoffmann at fidnet.com Tue Apr 26 22:16:08 2005 From: hoffmann at fidnet.com (hoffmann at fidnet.com) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 17:16:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP - Replying to a Post Message-ID: <005901c54aad$8c948b30$1002a8c0@KAREN> I don't see where you can reply to a post. Is that because I had "digest" marked? Anyway..... I've ordered the K12LTSP four CD-ROM set. You can't imagine how much I appreciate everyone's willingness to help me set this up. I honestly believe this is the way for schools to go. It makes so much sense!! Now, if I can just learn how to set everything up and keep it running..... Thanks again. I'm sure I'll have more questions for you soon! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brcisna at frontiernet.net Tue Apr 26 23:34:31 2005 From: brcisna at frontiernet.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 18:34:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] printer authentication to win2k> Message-ID: <001b01c54ab8$7f7cf260$01fea8c0@brcHOST> Hi ALL, Wondering if anyone has a "cure" for the following. On our WIN2K domain,,when i add a linux shared printer( HP Laserjet)to a windows2000 machine,each time the WIN2K box is booted up,the user has to click the printer folder,click on the shared printer icon,then "authenticate",by putting his/her username/password in the dialog box,before the printing becomes"ready" and is usable. This is NOT a problem on the WINXP boxes.on the domain. I m sure this has been discussed somewere, but I'm all Googled,out searching,so thought Id throw it out here. I add the linux printer,to the windows boxes ,with the following. http://k12ltspserveripaddress:631/printers/printername The printer will work fine,but when the machine is rebooted,or shutoff,the user has to go through this sequence again,& needless to say I hear about it! I m trying to get as many peices setup on the linux servers,as possible to get away from windoz,:) I'm guessing this has somehting to do with the kerberos5 auth or sumfin,along these lines,but dont know what?. Thanks,,, Barry From jeffnels at gmail.com Wed Apr 27 00:51:03 2005 From: jeffnels at gmail.com (Jeff Nelson) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 17:51:03 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Which server would you prefer? In-Reply-To: <002f01c54a84$b1344b20$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <002f01c54a84$b1344b20$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: Not to dash your plans, but you probably won't be able to run Windows XP, either, on your Quad P-Pro, especially if you want it serving out multiple client desktops. I think the others who have suggested setting up the Proliant Quad P-Pro as a file server are right on. If that were a Quad P-III, it might be a tossup between that and the P-IV. But don't forget the P-Pro is a full three generations (maybe four, depending on how you count) older! It's more than an order of magnitude slower, and the four processors don't together add up to much. I actually run several Proliants (P-II and III class), and they are very reliable machines. Also had a Pentium Pro (180MHz) desktop that was in use as a server for more than five years. Finally replaced it when it started choking on our Mailman lists. Jeff On 4/26/05, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > Well, this is to appease those who want a windows networked > > environment. The goal is to have the clients dual-boot, and > > if they boot into Windows XP then they'd be able to log in > > and have their desktop pulled down from the server and access > > all their files, settings etc. (just like ltsp). So I think > > it needs to run windows, not just a windows file server, non? > > This is exactly where the SAMBA/LDAP setup comes in. This will allow > you to have a linux box host roaming profiles just as a Window Server > would. Your users will never know the difference. The only catch is if > they need to run an app from the server that is windows based. > > > I did not know that. I haven't started looking for the RAM > > because I am not sure of the specifics for the Proliant RAM. > > In addition, a question has been raised if it can actually > > support 8 GB, or only 4 GB. > > Most likely this is like one of my old quad processor machines and uses > EDO RAM. Vary antique and slow compared to the new stuff. > > My vote is still for 2 servers, the quad as /home and the PIV for LTSP > serving. Configure SAMBA/LDAP on the PIV and your Windows users will be > able to use this same setup as well. > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From nickfmail4-lists at yahoo.com Wed Apr 27 00:51:12 2005 From: nickfmail4-lists at yahoo.com (Nick Fenger) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 17:51:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] localhost kernel: lockd: cannot monitor 10.0.1.110 Message-ID: <20050427005112.12006.qmail@web60707.mail.yahoo.com> I just did a kernal update to version: 2.6.11-1.14_FC3smp on my ldap server (PDC) and my 4 k12ltsp servers. The following error has been logged intermittently on the PDC: Apr 26 13:56:11 localhost kernel: lockd: cannot monitor 10.0.1.111 Apr 26 14:11:13 localhost kernel: lockd: cannot monitor 10.0.1.138 This occurs with the ip address of my terminal servers and I am also having problems with those servers losing their eth1 net card configuraiton (not sure if this is related or not). I was able to fix the net card dropping stuff by physically removing the cards, rebooting, then reinsert and having it reconfigured with kudzu. Any Ideas? Nick Fenger Trillium Charter School Portland, OR From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Wed Apr 27 03:30:45 2005 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 11:30:45 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <20050426160713.2b0b66b3@linuxbox> References: <20050426160713.2b0b66b3@linuxbox> Message-ID: <1114572646.4955.166.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2005-04-26 at 16:07 -0400, Kevin Squire wrote: > I have switched to Linux as my main OS, switched my wife as well ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Wow man, I heard that some people get really zealous about Linux, but did you have to go that far and dump your wife over it ;-) ;-) -- Regards, Gavin Chester From steve.honeycutt at gmail.com Wed Apr 27 05:42:19 2005 From: steve.honeycutt at gmail.com (Steve Honeycutt) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 00:42:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <1114572646.4955.166.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20050426160713.2b0b66b3@linuxbox> <1114572646.4955.166.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <61bfa74305042622421d4d932c@mail.gmail.com> On 4/26/05, Gavin Chester wrote: > On Tue, 2005-04-26 at 16:07 -0400, Kevin Squire wrote: > > I have switched to Linux as my main OS, switched my wife as well > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > Wow man, I heard that some people get really zealous about Linux, but > did you have to go that far and dump your wife over it ;-) ;-) > ROFL > -- > Regards, > Gavin Chester > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Best Regards, Steve www.slicehaven.com From gentgeen at linuxmail.org Wed Apr 27 05:56:59 2005 From: gentgeen at linuxmail.org (Kevin Squire) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 01:56:59 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <1114572646.4955.166.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20050426160713.2b0b66b3@linuxbox> <1114572646.4955.166.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20050427015659.5f050bb7@linuxbox> Nice -- good pick-up on that one :-)) Reminded me of this on http://www.cafepress.com/tinyminds_00.2727248 And just for the record, (in case my wife is looking over my shoulder) I switched my wife's main computer over to Linux as well. In fact to be MORE process, She uses an old laptop as a terminal to my desktop where she has her own account, thanks to what I learned from LTSP/K12LTSP. On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 11:30:45 +0800 Gavin Chester wrote: > On Tue, 2005-04-26 at 16:07 -0400, Kevin Squire wrote: > > I have switched to Linux as my main OS, switched my wife as well > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > Wow man, I heard that some people get really zealous about Linux, but > did you have to go that far and dump your wife over it ;-) ;-) > > -- > Regards, > Gavin Chester > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Wed Apr 27 08:09:06 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 09:09:06 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] printer authentication to win2k> References: <001b01c54ab8$7f7cf260$01fea8c0@brcHOST> Message-ID: <011601c54b00$6224cfb0$65c8a8c0@brianwork> Barry R Cisna wrote: > Hi ALL, > > Wondering if anyone has a "cure" for the following. > > On our WIN2K domain,,when i add a linux shared printer( HP > Laserjet)to a windows2000 machine,each time the WIN2K box is booted > up,the user has to click the printer folder,click on the shared > printer icon,then "authenticate",by putting his/her username/password > in the dialog box,before the printing becomes"ready" and is usable. > This is NOT a problem on the WINXP boxes.on the domain. I m sure this > has been discussed somewere, but I'm all Googled,out searching,so > thought Id throw it out here. I add the linux printer,to the > windows boxes ,with the following. > > http://k12ltspserveripaddress:631/printers/printername > > The printer will work fine,but when the machine is rebooted,or > shutoff,the user has to go through this sequence again,& needless to > say I hear about it! I m trying to get as many peices setup on the > linux servers,as possible to get away from windoz,:) I'm guessing > this has somehting to do with the kerberos5 auth or sumfin,along > these lines,but dont know what?. > > Thanks,,, > > Barry > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see I had a problem like this when I moved all our print servers over to CUPS. What I had to do was to list the printers in the "Exceptions - Do not use proxy server for addresses beginning with" setting in internet explorer. I don't know why this should make a difference but after I did this is was OK. All I do now is setup the printer on the machine as an administrator and then anyone who logs in can use it. Oh all our clients are Win2k so I just added the list of print servers to our login script that sets up proxies etc at login. Brian Chivers Portsmouth College --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From info at proex-india.com Wed Apr 27 11:22:28 2005 From: info at proex-india.com (info) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 16:52:28 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Intel 845gl Display problem Message-ID: Hello All LTSP 4.0 problem I am not able to get 1024x768 display on intel 845GL motherboards Please suggest me the right video driver , i will be very greatful to all of you Regards k.dinesh ********************************************** In a World Without Fences Who Needs GATES ? *********************************************************************** This message and any attached files will have been checked with virus detection software before transmission. However, recipients must carry out their own virus checks before opening any attachment. Company accepts no liability for any loss or damage, which may be caused by software viruses. *********************************************************************** -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 4/25/05 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 4/25/05 From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Wed Apr 27 11:53:33 2005 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 19:53:33 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Which server would you prefer? In-Reply-To: <426E244B.1050605@inlandlakes.org> References: <1114505183.4955.157.camel@localhost.localdomain> <426E244B.1050605@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <1114602813.4955.183.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2005-04-26 at 07:21 -0400, Shawn Powers wrote: > Gavin Chester wrote: > > The popular answer is contrary to Jeff's answer above > > I'm used to being unpopular, so I'll go the other way. :) I agree with > Jeff. Pentium Pro is just waaaaay to old. My thin clients have more > horsepower than a pentium pro... > Okay, I made an ass of myself with responding to this one :-) I just read quad pentium and didn't stop to let it sink in that he was talking about reeaaalllly slow old pentiums vs new hyperthreading CPU. Doh!! I'll try and save a little face by retractng my original answer and rephrasing it that SMP servers are always better than single CPU servers _when_ the CPU speed is nearly matched between the machines you're comparing. That's what I meant to say - and in future I'll wear bigger boots so I can keep my foot out of my mouth ;-) -- Regards, Gavin Chester From gary.frederick at jsoft.com Wed Apr 27 12:30:29 2005 From: gary.frederick at jsoft.com (Gary Frederick) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 07:30:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] setting up a standalone lab with a wireless router Message-ID: <1114605029.8975.59.camel@server.ltsp> Howdy I am trying to set up a standalone lab, one that is not connected to the internet. It has a k12ltsp server and a Netgear wgt624 v2 wireless router and 4 clients. I have two clients connected to the router via ethernet cable and two connecting via wireless. The wireless clients are running XP. The two clients connected to the router via ethernet cable can talk to each other. The two connected via wireless can talk to each other. The wired clients can not see the wireless clients and vice versa. None of the clients can see the server. and when I connect the server to the internet, all 4 clients can see the outside world (but still will not talk to the server or across the wire/wireless connection. What am I doing wrong? Gary This is a recent k12ltsp setup. The XP clients are current. From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Apr 27 13:13:30 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 08:13:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP - Replying to a Post In-Reply-To: <005901c54aad$8c948b30$1002a8c0@KAREN> Message-ID: <000501c54b2a$e85f8190$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > I don't see where you can reply to a post. Is that because I had "digest" marked? Anyway..... > > I've ordered the K12LTSP four CD-ROM set. You can't imagine how much I appreciate everyone's > willingness to help me set this up. I honestly believe this is the way for schools to go. > It makes so much sense!! Now, if I can just learn how to set everything up and keep it running..... > > Thanks again. I'm sure I'll have more questions for you soon! I am sure you will find it fairly easy to setup and the help from this list awesome. Quick tip for you before you start posting out here a lot. Your messages have HTML formatting in them which make them hard to reply to in a typical fashion. If your using Outlook go to Tools->Options->Mail Format-> and change the drop down for message composition from HTML to Plain Text. This will make it much easier for others to respond. Good luck! -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From bear2bar at netscape.net Wed Apr 27 13:20:41 2005 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (bear2bar at netscape.net) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 09:20:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Squid / SquidGuard architecture Message-ID: <43F31EE8.676675E9.0092C281@netscape.net> Hi, OK I know this may yet be another dumb question but ... Since the lab "lost" its DansGuardian system (School reappropriation ^ redeployment of equipment) I've had ongoing problems getting Squid & squidguard working. So here goes.. 1) Should this setup on a single server or two ? 1a) If one how ? I get everything blocked or nothing 1b) If two what SW goes on which box & how are they tied ? 2) Should this/these servers be on their own switch/hub connected to the outside world & then anoother connection to a switch/hub for the lab ? thank you for your HELP norbert __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From mpribik at zoznam.sk Wed Apr 27 13:30:47 2005 From: mpribik at zoznam.sk (M.Pribik) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 15:30:47 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Intel 845gl Display problem References: Message-ID: <000e01c54b2d$527d44c0$0100a8c0@Marian> Try change appropriate monitor /display/. ----- Original Message ----- From: "info" To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 1:22 PM Subject: [K12OSN] Intel 845gl Display problem > Hello All > LTSP 4.0 problem > > I am not able to get 1024x768 display on intel 845GL motherboards > > Please suggest me the right video driver , > > i will be very greatful to all of you > > Regards > k.dinesh > ********************************************** > In a World Without Fences Who Needs GATES ? > *********************************************************************** > This message and any attached files will have been checked with virus > detection software before transmission. However, recipients must carry > out their own virus checks before opening any attachment. Company > accepts no liability for any loss or damage, which may be caused by > software viruses. > *********************************************************************** > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 4/25/05 > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 4/25/05 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From hoffmann at fidnet.com Wed Apr 27 14:08:49 2005 From: hoffmann at fidnet.com (hoffmann at fidnet.com) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 09:08:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP - Replying to a Post References: <000501c54b2a$e85f8190$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <002301c54b32$a2c20740$1002a8c0@KAREN> Thanks for the tip about changing the formatting of my messages to plain text. I hope this works better. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Kronebusch" To: "'Support list for opensource software in schools.'" Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 8:13 AM Subject: RE: [K12OSN] K12LTSP - Replying to a Post > > I don't see where you can reply to a post. Is that because I had > "digest" marked? Anyway..... > > > > I've ordered the K12LTSP four CD-ROM set. You can't imagine how much > I appreciate everyone's > > willingness to help me set this up. I honestly believe this is the > way for schools to go. > > It makes so much sense!! Now, if I can just learn how to set > everything up and keep it running..... > > > > Thanks again. I'm sure I'll have more questions for you soon! > > I am sure you will find it fairly easy to setup and the help from this > list awesome. > > Quick tip for you before you start posting out here a lot. Your > messages have HTML formatting in them which make them hard to reply to > in a typical fashion. If your using Outlook go to Tools->Options->Mail > Format-> and change the drop down for message composition from HTML to > Plain Text. This will make it much easier for others to respond. > > Good luck! > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Apr 27 14:21:06 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 09:21:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP - Replying to a Post In-Reply-To: <002301c54b32$a2c20740$1002a8c0@KAREN> Message-ID: <000801c54b34$59c78e00$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Thanks for the tip about changing the formatting of my > messages to plain text. I hope this works better. Much better. Thanks! -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From mrambo at lsd.k12.mi.us Wed Apr 27 14:21:14 2005 From: mrambo at lsd.k12.mi.us (Mike Rambo) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 10:21:14 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Squid / SquidGuard architecture In-Reply-To: <43F31EE8.676675E9.0092C281@netscape.net> References: <43F31EE8.676675E9.0092C281@netscape.net> Message-ID: <426F9FDA.6030405@lsd.k12.mi.us> bear2bar at netscape.net wrote: > Hi, > > OK I know this may yet be another dumb question but ... > > Since the lab "lost" its DansGuardian system (School reappropriation ^ redeployment of equipment) I've had ongoing problems getting Squid & squidguard working. > So here goes.. > 1) Should this setup on a single server or two ? Single. squidGuard is called by squid as a service. It is also very lightweight and while you may be able to hack up some way to run them on separate boxes any gains you made by having separate hardware for each process would probably be lost going over the wire to obtain the service if you had a very busy network. > 1a) If one how ? I get everything blocked or nothing You're kind of asking these questions in a vacuum. How do you have it set up now? Which distro? Which version of squid? What kind of network setup? Config files... etc. etc. > 1b) If two what SW goes on which box & how are they tied ? > > 2) Should this/these servers be on their own switch/hub connected to the outside world & then anoother connection to a switch/hub for the lab ? > > thank you for your HELP > > norbert > > -- Mike Rambo mrambo at lsd.k12.mi.us Microsoft model for lawn care: Provide free mowing until the other lawn services go under, then create a license agreement that says Microsoft owns the dirt and grass but it's up to you to get rid of the weeds. And don't try to plant apple trees -- the soil is incompatible... -Bryce A. From staffords at glenburn.net Wed Apr 27 14:55:52 2005 From: staffords at glenburn.net (Shane Stafford) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 10:55:52 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office Error specific to user account? In-Reply-To: <000e01c54b2d$527d44c0$0100a8c0@Marian> References: <,> <000e01c54b2d$527d44c0$0100a8c0@Marian> Message-ID: Looking for some help in this issue. This error is happening to a user on LTSP when he uses Open Office. It does not happen when other users login. It does happen on his existing documents and if he does a new document. So, somewhere it appears to be his settings. It appears to open up a menu window called Filter Selection, any ideas what I select? thanks Shane Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer S & B Consulting From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Apr 27 15:26:43 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 11:26:43 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office Error specific to user account? In-Reply-To: References: <,> < > <000e01c54b2d$527d44c0$0100a8c0@Marian> <,> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, April 27, 2005 at 10:55 AM +0000 wrote: >Looking for some help in this issue. This error is happening to a user on >LTSP when he uses Open Office. It does not happen when other users login. > It does happen on his existing documents and if he does a new document. >So, somewhere it appears to be his settings. > >It appears to open up a menu window called Filter Selection, any ideas >what I select? > >thanks >Shane One way to possibly solve it is to delete his hidden openoffice directory #cd /home/username #rm -Rf .openoffice this will purge their settings, but not the docs and allow you to start fresh....simply launching OO again recreates the settings directory and so forth. I've had to do this on occasion and it solves many issues. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From bear2bar at netscape.net Wed Apr 27 15:27:45 2005 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (bear2bar at netscape.net) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 11:27:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Squid / SquidGuard architecture Message-ID: <438A4DFC.4D81796D.0092C281@netscape.net> Hi Mike, Thanks for the response, here goes... OS .. k12ltsp 4.2.0 Squid-2.5.STABLE9-1.FC3.4 Squidguard-1.2.0-8.k12ltsp.2.4.2 webmin-1.190-1 Current setup Cable modem -> k12ltsp server ->switches-> thin clients (all 10/100) Config files are squid.conf squidguard.conf squid-squidguard.conf httpd.conf and cache setup with squid -z http listens on port 8080 a redirect at boot up redirect http traffic to squid on 3128 hope that this makes it a little easier thks norbert Mike Rambo wrote: >bear2bar at netscape.net wrote: >> Hi, >> >> OK I know this may yet be another dumb question but ... >> >> Since the lab "lost" its DansGuardian system (School reappropriation ^ redeployment of equipment) I've had ongoing problems getting Squid & squidguard working. >> So here goes.. >> 1) Should this setup on a single server or two ? > >Single. squidGuard is called by squid as a service. It is also very >lightweight and while you may be able to hack up some way to run them on >separate boxes any gains you made by having separate hardware for each >process would probably be lost going over the wire to obtain the service >if you had a very busy network. > >> 1a) If one how ? I get everything blocked or nothing > >You're kind of asking these questions in a vacuum. How do you have it >set up now? Which distro? Which version of squid? What kind of network >setup? Config files... etc. etc. > >> 1b) If two what SW goes on which box & how are they tied ? >> >> 2) Should this/these servers be on their own switch/hub connected to the outside world & then anoother connection to a switch/hub for the lab ? >> >> thank you for your HELP >> >> norbert >> >> > > >-- >Mike Rambo >mrambo at lsd.k12.mi.us > >Microsoft model for lawn care: Provide free mowing until the other >lawn services go under, then create a license agreement that says >Microsoft owns the dirt and grass but it's up to you to get rid >of the weeds. And don't try to plant apple trees -- the soil is >incompatible... > -Bryce A. > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From dbentson at lcsd.k12.wa.us Wed Apr 27 15:42:41 2005 From: dbentson at lcsd.k12.wa.us (Dan Bentson-Royal) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 08:42:41 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Squid / SquidGuard architecture In-Reply-To: <43F31EE8.676675E9.0092C281@netscape.net> References: <43F31EE8.676675E9.0092C281@netscape.net> Message-ID: <426FB2F1.2010206@lcsd.k12.wa.us> There are people on this list that know lots more than me on this, but here's my take... bear2bar at netscape.net wrote: 1) Should this setup on a single server or two ? I'm assuming you are just running squidGuard and not DansGuardian, If that's right, then I can tell you that I've run mine on a single server just fine. I think you can even run them both if you want. See: http://desktops.linux.com/desktops/04/07/01/1833212.shtml > 1a) If one how ? I get everything blocked or nothing Look at: http://www.squidguard.org/config/#example05 to see how to have some users filtered and others not filtered. > 1b) If two what SW goes on which box & how are they tied ? Again, I only use 1 server > 2) Should this/these servers be on their own switch/hub connected to the outside world & then anoother connection to a switch/hub for the lab ? If you are only filtering one lab, I'd have the squid box on the same switch that the lab is on. > thank you for your HELP > > norbert > > __________________________________________________________________ > Switch to Netscape Internet Service. > As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register > > Netscape. Just the Net You Need. > > New! 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From cwt137 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 27 16:03:56 2005 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 09:03:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Intel 845gl Display problem In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050427160356.88392.qmail@web30306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The vesa driver should work. also change your MODE lines to match your monitor's refreash rates --- info wrote: > Hello All > LTSP 4.0 problem > > I am not able to get 1024x768 display on intel 845GL > motherboards > > Please suggest me the right video driver , > > i will be very greatful to all of you > > Regards > k.dinesh > ********************************************** > In a World Without Fences Who Needs GATES ? > *********************************************************************** > This message and any attached files will have been > checked with virus > detection software before transmission. However, > recipients must carry > out their own virus checks before opening any > attachment. Company > accepts no liability for any loss or damage, which > may be caused by > software viruses. > *********************************************************************** > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - > Release Date: 4/25/05 > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - > Release Date: 4/25/05 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From aslansreturn at yahoo.com Wed Apr 27 16:24:43 2005 From: aslansreturn at yahoo.com (richard ingalls) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 09:24:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] IceWM, Gnome & Nautilus FRUSTRATIONS Message-ID: <20050427162443.21869.qmail@web52903.mail.yahoo.com> Can anyone help me get IceWM working WITH the desktop icons and file manager, etc.? Can anyone help me get GNOME working? I have a machine that serves the /home directories to the other K12LTSP servers in my building. It is a new install of FC3. When students logon in this particular classroom (where the /home server is)... everything is fine! yeah. BUT, when they attempt to logon at one of the other classrooms (each has it's own LTSP server and NFS mounts /home)... they can get IceWM (with NO icons, file manager, etc.) and they CAN'T get GNOME at all! What is going on? I'm so frustrated with FC3 right now regarding this situation that I'm considering going back to Red Hat 8.0 (3.0.0 distibution - it just worked!). Do a complete reinstall on ALL my machines. Sure FC3 looks great, but it has NOT made my life easier or more productive or very much fun. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From mrambo at lsd.k12.mi.us Wed Apr 27 16:26:24 2005 From: mrambo at lsd.k12.mi.us (Mike Rambo) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 12:26:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Squid / SquidGuard architecture In-Reply-To: <438A4DFC.4D81796D.0092C281@netscape.net> References: <438A4DFC.4D81796D.0092C281@netscape.net> Message-ID: <426FBD30.9060308@lsd.k12.mi.us> bear2bar at netscape.net wrote: > Hi Mike, > > Thanks for the response, here goes... > OS .. k12ltsp 4.2.0 > Squid-2.5.STABLE9-1.FC3.4 > Squidguard-1.2.0-8.k12ltsp.2.4.2 Ok. > webmin-1.190-1 > > Current setup > Cable modem -> k12ltsp server ->switches-> thin clients (all 10/100) > So is squid running on the same server that runs the thin clients? If so this is part of the problem unless you have made adjustments to the usual configuration to take this into account. Usually the squid server will be a separate box that would sit between the ltsp server and your broadband source. I suspect you probably can run it all on the same server if the server is fast enough and you make the right adjustments to the config but it most likely won't work that way out of the box (unless Eric has changed the way he has the distro configured). > Config files are squid.conf > squidguard.conf > squid-squidguard.conf Well, I was actually referring to the relevant parts (content) of these files :-). I'm interested in whether you're trying to run a transparent proxy etc. I have to admit that I haven't used the default config since Eric implemented the squid-squidguard thing however. Is the new config built to assume running all on one box? Are you starting the correct service (probably squid-squidguard)? > httpd.conf > and cache setup with squid -z > > http listens on port 8080 > a redirect at boot up redirect http traffic to squid on 3128 > Ok. But how is this actually being done? /sbin/iptables -L -n -v /sbin/iptables -L -n -v -t nat > hope that this makes it a little easier > > thks > norbert > -- Mike Rambo mrambo at lsd.k12.mi.us Microsoft model for lawn care: Provide free mowing until the other lawn services go under, then create a license agreement that says Microsoft owns the dirt and grass but it's up to you to get rid of the weeds. And don't try to plant apple trees -- the soil is incompatible... -Bryce A. From staffords at glenburn.net Wed Apr 27 16:33:45 2005 From: staffords at glenburn.net (Shane Stafford) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 12:33:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Office Error specific to user account? In-Reply-To: References: <,> < > < > <000e01c54b2d$527d44c0$0100a8c0@Marian> <,> < > <,> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wed Apr 27 2005 at 11:26 -0500 wrote: >"Support list for opensource software in schools." on >Wednesday, April 27, 2005 at 10:55 AM +0000 wrote: >>Looking for some help in this issue. This error is happening to a user >on >>LTSP when he uses Open Office. It does not happen when other users >login. >> It does happen on his existing documents and if he does a new document. >>So, somewhere it appears to be his settings. >> >>It appears to open up a menu window called Filter Selection, any ideas >>what I select? >> >>thanks >>Shane > >One way to possibly solve it is to delete his hidden openoffice directory > >#cd /home/username >#rm -Rf .openoffice > >this will purge their settings, but not the docs and allow you to start >fresh....simply launching OO again recreates the settings directory and so >forth. I've had to do this on occasion and it solves many issues. > Thanks Dave worked like a charm. Will tuck that command away for future use. Shane Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer S & B Consulting From HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG Wed Apr 27 17:27:58 2005 From: HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Burroughs, Henry) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 13:27:58 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] BackupPPC Question Message-ID: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D78420646659@hhpmail.MEDIA.LOCAL> Well, the DLT tape drive the keeps my user directories backed up kicked the bucket Tuesday. So rather than shell out the $800 for a new drive, and then new/fresh tapes (these are really old tapes I have), I'm looking into setting up a backup server. What I want is BackupPPC (or a similar rsync trick to keep multiple days/weeks/months worth of backups) and a way to mirror/replicate the backed-up data onto one or two removable drives (ie: an external firewire drive) so that way I can take a copy of the data (or a good chunk of it) home with me everynight (plug it in the morning and it updates itself)... and then once I get my offsite location, it will act as one of those "removable" drives and I'll have a 3rd copy. So basically, i'm looking for a process to replicate the BackupPPC data to X number of removable drives/and or other storage locations. Any suggestions or comments? Henry Burroughs Technology Director Hilton Head Preparatory School www.hhprep.org P.S. Someone on another list had said something about rsync -H taking an extremely long time to compute symlinks...any experience w/ that? From gj.kramer at planet.nl Wed Apr 27 17:33:51 2005 From: gj.kramer at planet.nl (Gustav J Kramer) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 19:33:51 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] setting up a standalone lab with a wireless router In-Reply-To: <1114605029.8975.59.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1114605029.8975.59.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <1114623231.24667.42.camel@server.byh.org> Gary, There are others on the list far more capable but I will try and get you started until they can chime in: I'm assuming that when you say the clients cant see the server you mean they can't connect via a windows (smb) share not that they cant ping the server? For the wireless XP clients they will have to belong to the same domain or workgroup as the server. Given the size of your lab I would guess Workgroup. You can check it by right clicking on "My Computer", then left clicking on "Properties" and again on the "Computer Name" tab. You can confirm the Domain/Workgroup (and that the SAMBA servers are running) from within WEBMIN. Click on the "Servers" button, then "Samba Windows File Sharing",(from here you can see whether the servers are running) then on "Windows Networking". With respect to the wired clients, If they are thin clients and they boot to a graphic log on prompt then they are connected, the server appears as a local device. If they are standalone linux boxes then they will only "see" the server if you connect via NFS or through a Windows share, again on the same workgroup or domain. If the wired clients are windows clients, then like the wireless clients, you will have to confirm that they belong to the same workgroup or domain. I'm a bit confused when you say that you connect the server to the internet. Is the server configured with two NICs, one wired to the internet and the other to one of the four LAN ports on the router (which has DHCP disabled)? I hope this helps, - gustav On Wed, 2005-27-04 at 07:30 -0500, Gary Frederick wrote: > Howdy > > I am trying to set up a standalone lab, one that is not connected to the > internet. It has a k12ltsp server and a Netgear wgt624 v2 wireless > router and 4 clients. > > I have two clients connected to the router via ethernet cable and two > connecting via wireless. The wireless clients are running XP. > > The two clients connected to the router via ethernet cable can talk to > each other. > > The two connected via wireless can talk to each other. > > The wired clients can not see the wireless clients and vice versa. > > None of the clients can see the server. > > and when I connect the server to the internet, all 4 clients can see the > outside world (but still will not talk to the server or across the > wire/wireless connection. > > What am I doing wrong? > > Gary > > This is a recent k12ltsp setup. The XP clients are current. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From petre at maltzen.net Wed Apr 27 18:50:58 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 13:50:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] IceWM, Gnome & Nautilus FRUSTRATIONS In-Reply-To: <20050427162443.21869.qmail@web52903.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050427162443.21869.qmail@web52903.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <426FDF12.50808@maltzen.net> I saw similar behavior when I put up a FC3/K12ltsp 4.2 box but mounted /home from my RH9/K12ltsp 3.1.2 box. Something with Gnome changed along the way, such that when I logged in from a terminal to the new server, Gnome would not work right. It gave errors about not liking my ~/.gnome directory (or one of the ~/.gnome* cousins). I found that it behaved normally if I renamed ~/.gnome to, say, ~/.gnome.old. Then a new ~/.gnome directory was created the first time I logged in, and everything was fine. But the new settings would probably make a mess of things if I logged into the old server. For now, I've retreated to the old server, and have turned off the DHCP server on the new box so it doesn't boot clients. This doesn't fix your problem, but perhaps explains what's going on so you can figure out a solution. Petre richard ingalls wrote: > Can anyone help me get IceWM working WITH the desktop > icons and file manager, etc.? Can anyone help me get > GNOME working? > > I have a machine that serves the /home directories to > the other K12LTSP servers in my building. It is a new > install of FC3. When students logon in this > particular classroom (where the /home server is)... > everything is fine! yeah. BUT, when they attempt to > logon at one of the other classrooms (each has it's > own LTSP server and NFS mounts /home)... they can get > IceWM (with NO icons, file manager, etc.) and they > CAN'T get GNOME at all! What is going on? > > I'm so frustrated with FC3 right now regarding this > situation that I'm considering going back to Red Hat > 8.0 (3.0.0 distibution - it just worked!). Do a > complete reinstall on ALL my machines. Sure FC3 looks > great, but it has NOT made my life easier or more > productive or very much fun. > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From gary.frederick at jsoft.com Wed Apr 27 19:04:03 2005 From: gary.frederick at jsoft.com (Gary Frederick) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 14:04:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] setting up a standalone lab with a wireless router In-Reply-To: <1114623231.24667.42.camel@server.byh.org> References: <1114605029.8975.59.camel@server.ltsp> <1114623231.24667.42.camel@server.byh.org> Message-ID: <1114628644.3499.43.camel@server.ltsp> Thanks for the help Gustav. Perhaps you gave me some of the answer. I'll say more. I have a k12ltsp server. It has two nics and the usual k12ltsp setup. One can connect to a DSL modem (eth1) and the other to the router (eth0). I have a wireless router (Netgear wgt624 v2). The router works if I connect it to the DSL modem. The wireless computers can see the server etc. (and everyone can see a smb share we have on one of the machines) I am testing the k12ltsp server with the internet side unplugged and the router connected to the other card (eth0). I connect a diskless client via ethernet cable to the router and it works. It can do the usual client thing. I connect a Windows XP computer via wireless and it can see the outside world when the outside world is plugged in but can not see the server. I tried pinging both the eth1 and eth0 address for the server and it can not see them. It can!!! see another Windows XP computer on the same wireless connection. If I take out the wireless card and connect the Windows XP computer via ethernet cable it can see the server but now can not see the other XP computer that is on wireless. Your comment "...on the router (which has DHCP disabled)" got me thinking. The router does NOT have DHCP disabled. I'll try disabling that tomorrow and see if it helps. SAMBA is an exercise for another day :-) I just want the wireless computers to be able to ping the router. ... ... I do not know a lot of system admin. I'm learning in my spare time, but it is slow. Now I guess I am learning more about how k12ltsp uses DNS and DHCP :-) Gary On Wed, 2005-04-27 at 19:33 +0200, Gustav J Kramer wrote: > Gary, > > There are others on the list far more capable but I will try and get you > started until they can chime in: > > I'm assuming that when you say the clients cant see the server you mean > they can't connect via a windows (smb) share not that they cant ping the > server? > > For the wireless XP clients they will have to belong to the same domain > or workgroup as the server. Given the size of your lab I would guess > Workgroup. You can check it by right clicking on "My Computer", then > left clicking on "Properties" and again on the "Computer Name" tab. > > You can confirm the Domain/Workgroup (and that the SAMBA servers are > running) from within WEBMIN. Click on the "Servers" button, then "Samba > Windows File Sharing",(from here you can see whether the servers are > running) then on "Windows Networking". > > With respect to the wired clients, If they are thin clients and they > boot to a graphic log on prompt then they are connected, the server > appears as a local device. If they are standalone linux boxes then they > will only "see" the server if you connect via NFS or through a Windows > share, again on the same workgroup or domain. If the wired clients are > windows clients, then like the wireless clients, you will have to > confirm that they belong to the same workgroup or domain. > > I'm a bit confused when you say that you connect the server to the > internet. Is the server configured with two NICs, one wired to the > internet and the other to one of the four LAN ports on the router (which > has DHCP disabled)? > > > I hope this helps, > > - gustav > > On Wed, 2005-27-04 at 07:30 -0500, Gary Frederick wrote: > > Howdy > > > > I am trying to set up a standalone lab, one that is not connected to the > > internet. It has a k12ltsp server and a Netgear wgt624 v2 wireless > > router and 4 clients. > > > > I have two clients connected to the router via ethernet cable and two > > connecting via wireless. The wireless clients are running XP. > > > > The two clients connected to the router via ethernet cable can talk to > > each other. > > > > The two connected via wireless can talk to each other. > > > > The wired clients can not see the wireless clients and vice versa. > > > > None of the clients can see the server. > > > > and when I connect the server to the internet, all 4 clients can see the > > outside world (but still will not talk to the server or across the > > wire/wireless connection. > > > > What am I doing wrong? > > > > Gary > > > > This is a recent k12ltsp setup. The XP clients are current. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Apr 27 19:41:44 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 14:41:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LDAP and Webmin Message-ID: <004801c54b61$2455a270$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> I saw out here the other day that someone is using the LDAP Module in Webmin to admin the SAMBA/LDAP setup on K12LTSP. If so does anyone have any tips on getting this to work? Here is the error I get: Failed to bind to LDAP server as cn=nssldap,ou=DSA,dc=winonacotter,dc=org : No password, did you mean noauth or anonymous ?. Maybe your module configuration is incorrect. Thanks Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Apr 27 19:49:09 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 14:49:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LDAP and Webmin In-Reply-To: <004801c54b61$2455a270$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <004901c54b62$2dc09080$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Here is the error I get: > > Failed to bind to LDAP server as > cn=nssldap,ou=DSA,dc=winonacotter,dc=org : No password, did > you mean noauth or anonymous ?. Maybe your module > configuration is incorrect. At this point nevermind :-) Looks like changing the module config from /etc/ldap.conf to /etc/openldap/ldap.conf worked....so far. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Apr 27 19:53:03 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 14:53:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LDAP and Webmin In-Reply-To: <004901c54b62$2dc09080$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <004a01c54b62$b937d790$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > At this point nevermind :-) > > Looks like changing the module config from /etc/ldap.conf to > /etc/openldap/ldap.conf worked....so far. Okay. It appears as though I can look at things but don't have auth to edit them. Any advice from here on how to use this? Thanks -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Apr 27 19:55:42 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 14:55:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LDAP Admin Chuck or Dave? Message-ID: <004b01c54b63$17f3b420$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> I want to get a nice gui going to admin the SAMBA/LDAP setup on the server as I am getting closer to actually implementing this. And console isn't the most user friendly for others to admin. So Chuck and Dave, I say at Linux world that you both had nice gui's running. I know you have told me a couple of time what they were but when I google them I get multiple hits on the names. Could you send me a link to the installers that you used to get them going, and any helpful info on setup? Dave, I am sure you have something documented to go with it :-) Thanks, Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us Wed Apr 27 20:00:04 2005 From: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us (Mark Sarria) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 13:00:04 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] LDAP and Webmin In-Reply-To: <004801c54b61$2455a270$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <200504271959.j3RJxxho021399@mx1.redhat.com> I tried Webmin with LDAP it doesn't work very, but here is what you need to do to make that error message go away: Cn=Manager,dc=yourdomain,dc=com Then you need to bind the password ( just enter your root password) And that's all Mark Sarria Backup Administrator www.msdigitaldataservices.com -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jim Kronebusch Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 12:42 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] LDAP and Webmin I saw out here the other day that someone is using the LDAP Module in Webmin to admin the SAMBA/LDAP setup on K12LTSP. If so does anyone have any tips on getting this to work? Here is the error I get: Failed to bind to LDAP server as cn=nssldap,ou=DSA,dc=winonacotter,dc=org : No password, did you mean noauth or anonymous ?. Maybe your module configuration is incorrect. Thanks Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From cliebow at downeast.net Wed Apr 27 19:47:49 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 19:47:49 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] LDAP Admin Chuck or Dave? Message-ID: <200504271839.j3RIdQV29017@downeast.net> jim: i use ldapbrowser..tere is also directoryadministratr or diradmin from dag's site..i really like ldapbrowser though..i am on the win side and cant get you an exact name but 82 is in ther..it works as well fromwin as linux as it is a java app..i had to change the path to java inside it..whe i get home i can send youmne..chuck > I want to get a nice gui going to admin the SAMBA/LDAP setup on the > server as I am getting closer to actually implementing this. And > console isn't the most user friendly for others to admin. > > So Chuck and Dave, I say at Linux world that you both had nice gui's > running. I know you have told me a couple of time what they were but > when I google them I get multiple hits on the names. > > Could you send me a link to the installers that you used to get them > going, and any helpful info on setup? Dave, I am sure you have > something documented to go with it :-) > > Thanks, > > Jim Kronebusch > Cotter Tech Department > 507-453-5188 > jim at winonacotter.org > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Apr 27 20:10:46 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 15:10:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LDAP Admin Chuck or Dave? In-Reply-To: <200504271839.j3RIdQV29017@downeast.net> Message-ID: <004c01c54b65$329060b0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > jim: i use ldapbrowser Do you get ldapbrowser from Dag's site as well? If you could send me your's later that would be great. I just want to make sure I am using something a little more proven than whatever I find in a google search. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Apr 27 20:21:55 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 15:21:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LDAP Admin Chuck or Dave? In-Reply-To: <004c01c54b65$329060b0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <004d01c54b66$c17561d0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Do you get ldapbrowser from Dag's site as well? If you could > send me your's later that would be great. I just want to > make sure I am using something a little more proven than > whatever I find in a google search. I pulled down ldapbrowser version 2.8.2 from http://www-unix.mcs.anl.gov/~gawor/ldap/download.html which let me view things but I still can't edit anything. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From cliebow at downeast.net Wed Apr 27 20:08:37 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 20:08:37 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] LDAP Admin Chuck or Dave? Message-ID: <200504271900.j3RJ0EV02468@downeast.net> did you leave anonymous mode and put in admin name and pw??ill hang on #ltsp a bit if you want to ttalk..chuck > > Do you get ldapbrowser from Dag's site as well? If you could > > send me your's later that would be great. I just want to > > make sure I am using something a little more proven than > > whatever I find in a google search. > > I pulled down ldapbrowser version 2.8.2 from > http://www-unix.mcs.anl.gov/~gawor/ldap/download.html which let me view > things but I still can't edit anything. > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Apr 27 20:31:30 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 16:31:30 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LDAP Admin Chuck or Dave? In-Reply-To: <004b01c54b63$17f3b420$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <004b01c54b63$17f3b420$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: To be perfectly honest....now I do it all on the command line since it's faster for me, but I have used and recommend Directory Administrator. It's very slick and I used it for a couple years before this year. The one from DAG's site seems to ork the best....I think there was an icons issue, but can't remember....maybe Chuck does....I think I had to change a path or make a link to a directory for something....but hey...it's an RPM...install it and see for yourself....if it's not working simply rpm -e and remove it. I haven't tried ldapbrowser much other than to look at it. It appears nice, but Chuck can tell you more. From lsrpm-1 at shaw.ca Wed Apr 27 20:29:02 2005 From: lsrpm-1 at shaw.ca (Liam Marshall) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 15:29:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice vs StarOffice Message-ID: <239b59c23a0155.23a0155239b59c@shaw.ca> Seeing as how StarOffice is FREE to educational Institutes, and K12LTSP is an educational remix/remaster of Redhat/Fedora, would it be possible for the next incarnation to have StarOffice instead of OpenOffice? OpenOffice is not bad, but it loads slower than StarOffice, hangs more often, seems to take up more resources, and does not have near the features Am I way out to lunch here or would such be possible? The reason I ask is that I am planning for next year and would like to have staroffice only (never figured out how to get rid of OpenOffice) and it would be nice if it was automatically configured for use by each user the way OpenOffice is now. Input? Comments? From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Apr 27 20:33:23 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 16:33:23 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice vs StarOffice In-Reply-To: <239b59c23a0155.23a0155239b59c@shaw.ca> References: <239b59c23a0155.23a0155239b59c@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <06FDB7AD-9F40-4490-A849-8749FBB72828@inlandlakes.org> I think that free licenses are available, but not the ability to pre- package into the distro. I'm guessing someone could put some detailed instructions on how to configure it for the K12LTSP distro, but I don't think that the licensing would allow a pre-packaging. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, -Shawn On Apr 27, 2005, at 4:29 PM, Liam Marshall wrote: > Seeing as how StarOffice is FREE to educational Institutes, and > K12LTSP is an educational remix/remaster of Redhat/Fedora, would it > be possible for the next incarnation to have StarOffice instead of > OpenOffice? Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From gj.kramer at planet.nl Wed Apr 27 20:57:28 2005 From: gj.kramer at planet.nl (Gustav J Kramer) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 22:57:28 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] setting up a standalone lab with a wireless router In-Reply-To: <1114628644.3499.43.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1114605029.8975.59.camel@server.ltsp> <1114623231.24667.42.camel@server.byh.org> <1114628644.3499.43.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <1114635448.26365.40.camel@server.byh.org> Gary, I'm trying to envision your set up in order to figure out what's going on but I'm getting lost somewhere. What is the difference in configuration between: "The router works if I connect it to the DSL modem. The wireless computers can see the server etc. (and everyone can see a smb share we have on one of the machines)" and "I connect a Windows XP computer via wireless and it can see the outside world when the outside world is plugged in but can not see the server...It can!!! see another Windows XP computer on the same wireless connection." If all you did was move the cable coming from the MODEM from the Internet port on the router to eth1 on the Terminal Server then all that should have happened is that you should have lost your internet access from all machines as they would no longer be routed correctly (they would still have the router as the gateway vice the terminal server). Something is missing here! - gustav > On Wed, 2005-27-04 at 14:04 -0500, Gary Frederick wrote: > Thanks for the help Gustav. Perhaps you gave me some of the answer. > > I'll say more. > > I have a k12ltsp server. It has two nics and the usual k12ltsp setup. > One can connect to a DSL modem (eth1) and the other to the router > (eth0). I have a wireless router (Netgear wgt624 v2). > > The router works if I connect it to the DSL modem. The wireless > computers can see the server etc. (and everyone can see a smb share we > have on one of the machines) > > > I am testing the k12ltsp server with the internet side unplugged and the > router connected to the other card (eth0). > > I connect a diskless client via ethernet cable to the router and it > works. It can do the usual client thing. > > I connect a Windows XP computer via wireless and it can see the outside > world when the outside world is plugged in but can not see the server. I > tried pinging both the eth1 and eth0 address for the server and it can > not see them. It can!!! see another Windows XP computer on the same > wireless connection. > > If I take out the wireless card and connect the Windows XP computer via > ethernet cable it can see the server but now can not see the other XP > computer that is on wireless. > > Your comment "...on the router (which has DHCP disabled)" got me > thinking. The router does NOT have DHCP disabled. I'll try disabling > that tomorrow and see if it helps. > > SAMBA is an exercise for another day :-) I just want the wireless > computers to be able to ping the router. > > ... > > > ... > > I do not know a lot of system admin. I'm learning in my spare time, but > it is slow. Now I guess I am learning more about how k12ltsp uses DNS > and DHCP :-) > > Gary > > > On Wed, 2005-04-27 at 19:33 +0200, Gustav J Kramer wrote: > > Gary, > > > > There are others on the list far more capable but I will try and get you > > started until they can chime in: > > > > I'm assuming that when you say the clients cant see the server you mean > > they can't connect via a windows (smb) share not that they cant ping the > > server? > > > > For the wireless XP clients they will have to belong to the same domain > > or workgroup as the server. Given the size of your lab I would guess > > Workgroup. You can check it by right clicking on "My Computer", then > > left clicking on "Properties" and again on the "Computer Name" tab. > > > > You can confirm the Domain/Workgroup (and that the SAMBA servers are > > running) from within WEBMIN. Click on the "Servers" button, then "Samba > > Windows File Sharing",(from here you can see whether the servers are > > running) then on "Windows Networking". > > > > With respect to the wired clients, If they are thin clients and they > > boot to a graphic log on prompt then they are connected, the server > > appears as a local device. If they are standalone linux boxes then they > > will only "see" the server if you connect via NFS or through a Windows > > share, again on the same workgroup or domain. If the wired clients are > > windows clients, then like the wireless clients, you will have to > > confirm that they belong to the same workgroup or domain. > > > > I'm a bit confused when you say that you connect the server to the > > internet. Is the server configured with two NICs, one wired to the > > internet and the other to one of the four LAN ports on the router (which > > has DHCP disabled)? > > > > > > I hope this helps, > > > > - gustav > > > > On Wed, 2005-27-04 at 07:30 -0500, Gary Frederick wrote: > > > Howdy > > > > > > I am trying to set up a standalone lab, one that is not connected to the > > > internet. It has a k12ltsp server and a Netgear wgt624 v2 wireless > > > router and 4 clients. > > > > > > I have two clients connected to the router via ethernet cable and two > > > connecting via wireless. The wireless clients are running XP. > > > > > > The two clients connected to the router via ethernet cable can talk to > > > each other. > > > > > > The two connected via wireless can talk to each other. > > > > > > The wired clients can not see the wireless clients and vice versa. > > > > > > None of the clients can see the server. > > > > > > and when I connect the server to the internet, all 4 clients can see the > > > outside world (but still will not talk to the server or across the > > > wire/wireless connection. > > > > > > What am I doing wrong? > > > > > > Gary > > > > > > This is a recent k12ltsp setup. The XP clients are current. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From les at futuresource.com Wed Apr 27 21:07:04 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 16:07:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] BackupPPC Question In-Reply-To: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D78420646659@hhpmail.MEDIA.LOCAL> References: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D78420646659@hhpmail.MEDIA.LOCAL> Message-ID: <1114636023.30383.71.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-04-27 at 12:27, Burroughs, Henry wrote: > What I want is BackupPPC (or a similar rsync trick to keep multiple > days/weeks/months worth of backups) and a way to mirror/replicate the > backed-up data onto one or two removable drives (ie: an external firewire > drive) so that way I can take a copy of the data (or a good chunk of it) > home with me everynight (plug it in the morning and it updates itself)... > and then once I get my offsite location, it will act as one of those > "removable" drives and I'll have a 3rd copy. So basically, i'm looking > for a process to replicate the BackupPPC data to X number of removable > drives/and or other storage locations. I'm doing exactly that with a 250 gig IDE drive and 3 external USB/firewire drives that I periodically swap and re-sync. I'm not completely happy with the process but it beats anything else that I have tried so far. The downside is that it takes some manual intervention to break and re-sync the mirror and about 8 hours to complete, but I only do the swap once a week. The good parts are that except for a quick unmount/remount of the partition, the machine keeps working normally during the re-sync and it doesn't really care if the 2nd drive is attached or not. I'm connecting to the server over firewire, but can mount the offline drive on my laptop via USB and a copy of backuppc there will do a restore. I just did an upgrade from FC1 to FC3 on the server and have crashed a few times since, always with the firewire mirror running. FC1 was rock-solid (but didn't automatically detect the firewire device) so I may go back or try ubuntu. FC3 seems to auto-detect the drive when plugged, but not during a reboot which is what I really wanted so the raid would be detected and not have to resync. > P.S. Someone on another list had said something about rsync -H taking > an extremely long time to compute symlinks...any experience w/ that? Yes, the disk that takes 8 hours to raid-sync would take many days to do a file based copy. There are just no efficient ways to handle the number of hardlinks that backuppc uses. The other technique I've seen mentioned on the backkuppc list that might work even better than raid is to put the server filesystem on LVM. Then you can unmount it momentarily, create an LVM snapshot and remount. Then you can do an image copy with dd from the frozen snapshot to a matching partition on an external drive. The person doing it said this takes a couple of hours with the machine continuing to work. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From cwt137 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 28 00:41:12 2005 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 17:41:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice vs StarOffice In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050428004112.45009.qmail@web30311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You are correct that StarOffice is free to educational institutions, but it will never be included in K12LTSP for 2 reasons: 1. K12LTSP doesn't package commercial products. Thats why there is a link on the desktop to download Java, Adobe, Flash, etc. 2. To get the free copy of StarOffice, you have to register for it at Sun.com and sign an agreement that says you are really a educational institution. 2a. By bundling StarOffice with K12LTSP, the required reg. process would be bypassed. That's not good. 2b. Many people who are not in the education field use K12LTSP. If StarOffice was included with K12LTSP, many people would get StarOffice for free even though they are not entitled to it. There is an easy way to get rid of Open Office durring the install process. Here is a picture of the screen to look for: http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=173&slide=14 Click on the "Customize package..." button and then de-select OpenOffice. Then continue normally with the install. Chris --- Liam Marshall wrote: > Seeing as how StarOffice is FREE to educational > Institutes, and K12LTSP is an educational > remix/remaster of Redhat/Fedora, would it be > possible for the next incarnation to have StarOffice > instead of OpenOffice? > > OpenOffice is not bad, but it loads slower than > StarOffice, hangs more often, seems to take up more > resources, and does not have near the features > > Am I way out to lunch here or would such be > possible? The reason I ask is that I am planning > for next year and would like to have staroffice only > (never figured out how to get rid of OpenOffice) and > it would be nice if it was automatically configured > for use by each user the way OpenOffice is now. > > Input? Comments? > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From cbutler at shoreschool.org Thu Apr 28 01:41:16 2005 From: cbutler at shoreschool.org (Christopher Butler) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 21:41:16 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Authenticate to OS X Open Directory SOLVED In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Here I go, replying to my own post! The problem appears to be solved. I had to wait a few days, but I was finally able to restart my K12LTSP server and after that, all the authentication seemed to be working just fine! After a few days of Googling just about every combination of linux, ldap, kerberos, authentication, os x, open directory, etc... I found a posting from someone who said that it took a restart of gdm for the changes made by authconfig to take hold. So, rather than just restarting gdm, I restarted the whole server. Now, happily, all my OD users can log in to the Linux Terminal Server and get an X session running on their Mac. Or, they can find an LTSP client on campus and log in there and get access to all their home directories. I am a happy camper! Christopher Butler Director of Technology Shore Country Day School Beverly, MA 01915 cbutler at shoreschool.org "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, April 25, 2005 at 11:31 AM -0500 wrote: >Okay, > >I've read the wiki doc on authenticating LTSP clients to users in OS X >Open Directory, but I'm having some problems with authentication (the NFS >mount seems to work just fine). > >I'm running K12LTSP 4.1 and OS X 10.3.4. I have Open Directory running >with my OD Server also a KDC. All 200 of my Macs have no problems (all >users have centralized home directories and user account on the OD >Server). I have SSL turned on for the LDAP server. > [snip] > >Any idea why this sometimes works and sometimes doesn't? > > From datakid at gmail.com Thu Apr 28 02:54:22 2005 From: datakid at gmail.com (musicman) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 12:54:22 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Intel 845gl Display problem In-Reply-To: <20050427160356.88392.qmail@web30306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050427160356.88392.qmail@web30306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <24261cd05042719541af87716@mail.gmail.com> Could someone explain how modelines work? I've been staring at them for the last few days, parts of it make sense, I can see the patterns - but I don't know what any of the numbers mean, and I am not sure how to ascertain what polarity my vsync/hsync are.... Cheers L. On 4/28/05, Chris Thomas wrote: > The vesa driver should work. also change your MODE > lines to match your monitor's refreash rates > --- info wrote: > > Hello All > > LTSP 4.0 problem > > > > I am not able to get 1024x768 display on intel 845GL > > motherboards > > > > Please suggest me the right video driver , > > > > i will be very greatful to all of you > > > > Regards > > k.dinesh > > ********************************************** > > In a World Without Fences Who Needs GATES ? > > > *********************************************************************** > > This message and any attached files will have been > > checked with virus > > detection software before transmission. However, > > recipients must carry > > out their own virus checks before opening any > > attachment. Company > > accepts no liability for any loss or damage, which > > may be caused by > > software viruses. > > > *********************************************************************** > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - > > Release Date: 4/25/05 > > > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - > > Release Date: 4/25/05 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From arendsj at skokie69.k12.il.us Thu Apr 28 03:28:11 2005 From: arendsj at skokie69.k12.il.us (John Arends) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 22:28:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Authenticate to OS X Open Directory SOLVED Message-ID: Can you mac users get a gnome session running in a window? If so, how? >>> cbutler at shoreschool.org 04/27/05 8:41 PM >>> Here I go, replying to my own post! The problem appears to be solved. I had to wait a few days, but I was finally able to restart my K12LTSP server and after that, all the authentication seemed to be working just fine! After a few days of Googling just about every combination of linux, ldap, kerberos, authentication, os x, open directory, etc... I found a posting from someone who said that it took a restart of gdm for the changes made by authconfig to take hold. So, rather than just restarting gdm, I restarted the whole server. Now, happily, all my OD users can log in to the Linux Terminal Server and get an X session running on their Mac. Or, they can find an LTSP client on campus and log in there and get access to all their home directories. I am a happy camper! Christopher Butler Director of Technology Shore Country Day School Beverly, MA 01915 cbutler at shoreschool.org "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, April 25, 2005 at 11:31 AM -0500 wrote: >Okay, > >I've read the wiki doc on authenticating LTSP clients to users in OS X >Open Directory, but I'm having some problems with authentication (the NFS >mount seems to work just fine). > >I'm running K12LTSP 4.1 and OS X 10.3.4. I have Open Directory running >with my OD Server also a KDC. All 200 of my Macs have no problems (all >users have centralized home directories and user account on the OD >Server). I have SSL turned on for the LDAP server. > [snip] > >Any idea why this sometimes works and sometimes doesn't? > > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From sudev at mantraonline.com Thu Apr 28 03:44:37 2005 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 09:14:37 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] IceWM, Gnome & Nautilus FRUSTRATIONS In-Reply-To: <20050427162443.21869.qmail@web52903.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050427162443.21869.qmail@web52903.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1114659877.1819.7.camel@server.ltsp> On Wed, 2005-04-27 at 09:24 -0700, richard ingalls wrote: > Can anyone help me get IceWM working WITH the desktop > icons and file manager, etc.? Can anyone help me get > GNOME working? In 3.1.2 IceWm manager version was launched with nautilus so that desktop and icons would be there. The current version of IceWM does not automatically launch nautilus. The way out we are using is adding a launcher in the menu for home directory. Whenever user presses this nautilus is launched and desktop with background and icons appear. You need to add the following in /usr/share/icewm/menu: prog "Home" /usr/share/pixmaps/redhat-home.png nautilus We have added the following two lines also to make the working easier. One launches password change and other a calculator. Me have commented out Gnome & KDE menus for normal users using the third~fifth line below (Lines may be wrapped): prog "Change Password" /usr/share/pixmaps/keyring.png userpasswd prog "Calculator" /usr/share/pixmaps/gnome-calc3.png gcalctool # menuprog Gnome folder icewm-menu-gnome1 --list # menuprog Gnome folder icewm-menu-gnome2 --list # menuprog KDE folder icewm-menu-gnome -- list /usr/src/bachbuilder/.kde/share/applnk/ If any one can give a soluition to directly launch nautilus I would appreciate too. HTH -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From sudev at mantraonline.com Thu Apr 28 03:46:03 2005 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 09:16:03 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Intel 845gl Display problem In-Reply-To: <20050427160356.88392.qmail@web30306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050427160356.88392.qmail@web30306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1114659963.1819.10.camel@server.ltsp> On Wed, 2005-04-27 at 09:03 -0700, Chris Thomas wrote: > The vesa driver should work. also change your MODE > lines to match your monitor's refreash rates Or i810 driver -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From sudev at mantraonline.com Thu Apr 28 04:29:46 2005 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 09:59:46 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Intel 845gl Display problem In-Reply-To: <24261cd05042719541af87716@mail.gmail.com> References: <20050427160356.88392.qmail@web30306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <24261cd05042719541af87716@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1114662586.6399.0.camel@server.ltsp> On Thu, 2005-04-28 at 12:54 +1000, musicman wrote: > Could someone explain how modelines work? I've been staring at them > for the last few days, parts of it make sense, I can see the patterns > - but I don't know what any of the numbers mean, and I am not sure how > to ascertain what polarity my vsync/hsync are.... http://ltsp.org/contrib/modelines.html HTH -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Thu Apr 28 04:34:54 2005 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 12:34:54 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] IceWM, Gnome & Nautilus FRUSTRATIONS In-Reply-To: <1114659877.1819.7.camel@server.ltsp> References: <20050427162443.21869.qmail@web52903.mail.yahoo.com> <1114659877.1819.7.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <1114662895.30930.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2005-04-28 at 09:14 +0530, Sudev Barar wrote: > On Wed, 2005-04-27 at 09:24 -0700, richard ingalls wrote: > > Can anyone help me get IceWM working WITH the desktop > > icons and file manager, etc.? Can anyone help me get > > GNOME working? > > In 3.1.2 IceWm manager version was launched with nautilus so that > desktop and icons would be there. The current version of IceWM does not > automatically launch nautilus. Rather than launch nautilus to get icons (it's a resource hog and kind of counters the purpose of running a light-weight WM like IceWM) have you checked out iDesk? It puts icons on desktops of light-weight WMs: http://idesk.sourceforge.net/download.html Haven't tried it myself, but screenshots look promising. I switched to XFce instead of IceWM because I reckon it has more pizazz out of the two - and nautilus didn't load by default :-). Since then, I've just got used to the absence of desktop icons and haven't felt the need to play with iDesk, myself. Mind you, I feel left out when Joe Blow talks about clicking on the default xxx icon, etc. Sob. Curious if it could be part of K12LTSP instead of launching nautilus, or are there known problems with it? -- Regards, Gavin Chester From info at proex-india.com Thu Apr 28 05:23:12 2005 From: info at proex-india.com (info) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 10:53:12 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] intel 845 problem still there Message-ID: Hello, Thanks all of you for the quick reply, I have tried upgrading to LTSP4.0 and tried VESA , i810 drivers but still the output is 640x480 only. While booting of the kernel one line says intelfb: Acceleraiton not supported intel(R)845G chipset intelfb: initial video mode is 640x480-8 at 59 show me some way to unable these machines. Regards K.Dinesh *********************************************************************** In a World Without Fences Who Needs GATES ? *********************************************************************** This message and any attached files will have been checked with virus detection software before transmission. 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Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 4/25/05 From info at proex-india.com Thu Apr 28 06:09:33 2005 From: info at proex-india.com (info) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 11:39:33 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Request to not to keep one BIG ISO image Message-ID: Hello, I sincerly request Jim and his team to keep all new downloads as individual files. we here in India find it very difficult to download a single ISO image of 115 MB at one streach. the users who don't have that powerfull connections will be very greatful if you keep individual files. Regards K.Dinesh -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 4/25/05 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 4/25/05 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Apr 28 09:17:11 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 02:17:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] IceWM, Gnome & Nautilus FRUSTRATIONS In-Reply-To: <1114662895.30930.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20050427162443.21869.qmail@web52903.mail.yahoo.com> <1114659877.1819.7.camel@server.ltsp> <1114662895.30930.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Thu, 28 Apr 2005, Gavin Chester wrote: > http://idesk.sourceforge.net/download.html > Curious if it could be part of K12LTSP instead of launching nautilus, or > are there known problems with it? I'd love to incorporate something like this. I'll take a look at it when I get the chance. -Eric From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 28 10:07:51 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 03:07:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] IceWM, Gnome & Nautilus FRUSTRATIONS In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050428100751.69030.qmail@web41608.mail.yahoo.com> I seem to remember that in a recent version of gnome, people were complaining that their settings from an older version weren't working properly. Do you have the same version of gnome on both servers? -Rob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From sudev at mantraonline.com Thu Apr 28 10:13:35 2005 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 15:43:35 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Request to not to keep one BIG ISO image In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1114683215.26801.44.camel@server.ltsp> On Thu, 2005-04-28 at 11:39 +0530, info wrote: > I sincerly request Jim and his team to keep all new downloads as > individual files. > we here in India find it very difficult to download a single ISO image > of 115 MB at one streach. > the users who don't have that powerfull connections will be very > greatful if you keep individual files. Work with your local LUG and you can find some one or the other who can download. For you. wget -C or rsync -P are other choices because in any case you have to download the total packages. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 28 10:15:15 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 03:15:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice vs StarOffice In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050428101515.34356.qmail@web41624.mail.yahoo.com> I think Sun will have an issue with including it in a distro that is freely available to anyone (even if it is aimed at educational institutions). Maybe I'm wrong. You could try contacting them and asking about it. (You should probably get Eric's blessing first, though). -Rob --- Liam Marshall wrote: > Seeing as how StarOffice is FREE to educational > Institutes, and K12LTSP is an educational > remix/remaster of Redhat/Fedora, would it be > possible for the next incarnation to have StarOffice > instead of OpenOffice? > > OpenOffice is not bad, but it loads slower than > StarOffice, hangs more often, seems to take up more > resources, and does not have near the features > > Am I way out to lunch here or would such be > possible? The reason I ask is that I am planning > for next year and would like to have staroffice only > (never figured out how to get rid of OpenOffice) and > it would be nice if it was automatically configured > for use by each user the way OpenOffice is now. > > Input? Comments? > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From sudev at mantraonline.com Thu Apr 28 10:18:04 2005 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 15:48:04 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] intel 845 problem still there In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1114683484.26801.51.camel@server.ltsp> On Thu, 2005-04-28 at 10:53 +0530, info wrote: > Thanks all of you for the quick reply, > I have tried upgrading to LTSP4.0 and tried VESA , i810 drivers but > still the output is 640x480 only. 1. Do cross check in BIOS how much memory you are allocating. You need minimum 2MB for 1024x768 2. Lookup i845 in www.pcquest.com I remember there was some article about this chipset about two years back. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 28 10:25:39 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 03:25:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Intel 845gl Display problem In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050428102539.76064.qmail@web41610.mail.yahoo.com> I found this modeline calculator online: http://www.sh.nu/nvidia/gtf.php And here's another one: http://koala.ilog.fr/cgi-bin/nph-colas-modelines I can't personally verify that they work right, because I don't know anything about modelines! -Rob --- musicman wrote: > Could someone explain how modelines work? I've been > staring at them > for the last few days, parts of it make sense, I can > see the patterns > - but I don't know what any of the numbers mean, and > I am not sure how > to ascertain what polarity my vsync/hsync are.... > > Cheers > > L. > > On 4/28/05, Chris Thomas wrote: > > The vesa driver should work. also change your MODE > > lines to match your monitor's refreash rates > > --- info wrote: > > > Hello All > > > LTSP 4.0 problem > > > > > > I am not able to get 1024x768 display on intel > 845GL > > > motherboards > > > > > > Please suggest me the right video driver , > > > > > > i will be very greatful to all of you > > > > > > Regards > > > k.dinesh > > > ********************************************** > > > In a World Without Fences Who Needs GATES ? > > > > > > *********************************************************************** > > > This message and any attached files will have > been > > > checked with virus > > > detection software before transmission. > However, > > > recipients must carry > > > out their own virus checks before opening any > > > attachment. 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Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Thu Apr 28 10:21:40 2005 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 18:21:40 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] [reposted] yum OR apt - which? Message-ID: <1114683701.30930.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> [sent this in a week ago, but no one had time or interest. Any takers this time?] A quick straw poll with perhaps a weighted vote given to THE MAN (ie, Eric) if he has the time to chip in an opinion :-). Which works best overall: apt or yum and what are the pros and cons? (If this subject is "wiki-fied", forgive my laziness and tell me that it's all been documented already ;-).) MY VIEW: I've always favoured apt in the past, particularly after I discovered synaptic. I mostly use that to browse packages graphically, but I'd rather do the deed of updating and upgrading via a terminal. Having been sold on apt by this list in the distant past, I have been surprised to see Eric mostly refer to yum updates lately and almost never apt. Thinking "he knows best" (well, who would if not Eric?) I started exploring yum's capabilities instead. I didn't like it at first, but now it's growing on me and helping me avoid apt's tendency to want to remove some packages each update. That's a big minus for apt - perhaps driven by repository madness (I've alternately added and removed certain repos to get some wanted packages not in the stock repos). However, I find some big minuses with yum, such as it being a chore on dialup because it goes through such protracted preparations just to end up telling me that package "xxx" is not listed, or that there are no upgrades for "yyy". Then there is the yum daily cron update (I deleted it) that was chewing up precious bandwidth without actually seeming to speed up yum's updates when I manually invoked them. I could go on, but I want to hear of the experiences and opinion of other "frontliners" on my personal apt vs yum dilemma. Thanks. -- Regards, Gavin Chester From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 28 10:32:22 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 03:32:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Request to not to keep one BIG ISO image In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050428103223.63358.qmail@web41626.mail.yahoo.com> Unless something has changed recently, I don't think you need to download that ISO. If you download and install the ltsp-utils package, then run ltspadmin, it will download all the individual files for you. I think the ISO is there for people who want to have a local copy of all those files so that they can install it on more than one system w/o downloading it all over again. -Rob --- info wrote: > Hello, > I sincerly request Jim and his team to keep all new > downloads as > individual files. > we here in India find it very difficult to download > a single ISO image > of 115 MB at one streach. > > the users who don't have that powerfull connections > will be very > greatful if you keep individual files. > > > Regards > K.Dinesh > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - > Release Date: 4/25/05 > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - > Release Date: 4/25/05 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se Thu Apr 28 10:55:37 2005 From: daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se (Daniel Hedblom) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 12:55:37 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] [reposted] yum OR apt - which? In-Reply-To: <1114683701.30930.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1114683701.30930.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1114685737.4270c129983c9@www.rixnet.se> Hello! I like them both because they solve a big problem in a good way, namely dependancies. Apt has some advantages over yum but for the normal user thats not an issue. For the user all that matters is the ability to get things installed in an easy way and both apt and yum shines on that area. You can avoid going trough refreshing the repo on yum by doing #yum -C install packagename. -C tells yum to not refresh the repo but instead use the local one. /daniel Citerar Gavin Chester : > [sent this in a week ago, but no one had time or interest. > Any takers this time?] > > A quick straw poll with perhaps a weighted vote given to THE MAN (ie, > Eric) if he has the time to chip in an opinion :-). > > Which works best overall: apt or yum and what are the pros and cons? > > (If this subject is "wiki-fied", forgive my laziness and tell me that > it's all been documented already ;-).) > > MY VIEW: > I've always favoured apt in the past, particularly after I discovered > synaptic. I mostly use that to browse packages graphically, but I'd > rather do the deed of updating and upgrading via a terminal. Having > been sold on apt by this list in the distant past, I have been surprised to > see Eric mostly refer to yum updates lately and almost never apt. > > Thinking "he knows best" (well, who would if not Eric?) I started > exploring yum's capabilities instead. I didn't like it at first, but > now it's growing on me and helping me avoid apt's tendency to want to > remove some packages each update. That's a big minus for apt - perhaps > driven > by repository madness (I've alternately added and removed certain repos > to get some wanted packages not in the stock repos). > > However, I find some big minuses with yum, such as it being a chore on > dialup because it goes through such protracted preparations just to end > up telling me that package "xxx" is not listed, or that there are no > upgrades for "yyy". Then there is the yum daily cron update (I deleted > it) that was chewing up precious bandwidth without actually seeming to > speed up yum's updates when I manually invoked them. > > I could go on, but I want to hear of the experiences and opinion of > other "frontliners" on my personal apt vs yum dilemma. Thanks. > > -- > Regards, > Gavin Chester > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > Ne auderis delere orbem rigidum meum! //// (O O) ('< +----------------+--oOO----(_)----------+ /V\ |Daniel Hedblom |Mobil 070-3837244 | <(_) +----------------+----------------------+ ~~ |IT-tekniker Sollefte? Kommun | +----------------------------------oOO--+ From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Thu Apr 28 11:30:38 2005 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 19:30:38 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] [reposted] yum OR apt - which? In-Reply-To: <1114685737.4270c129983c9@www.rixnet.se> References: <1114683701.30930.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1114685737.4270c129983c9@www.rixnet.se> Message-ID: <1114687839.30930.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2005-04-28 at 12:55 +0200, Daniel Hedblom wrote: > You can avoid going trough refreshing the repo on yum by doing > #yum -C install packagename. -C tells yum to not refresh the repo but > instead > use the local one. > Thanks for your opinion and info, Daniel :-) I have used the "-C" switch when I know I have a package cached, however I generally blow out the clutter by cleaning out the cache after an update. Either way, yum still takes a long time (on my 450MHz) before it finishes grinding through the steps required to start looking for, or downloading, any packages. Your answer seems to suggest that's not the case for you - for local packages, anyway. -- Regards, Gavin Chester From cbutler at shoreschool.org Thu Apr 28 12:17:27 2005 From: cbutler at shoreschool.org (Christopher Butler) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 08:17:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Authenticate to OS X Open Directory SOLVED In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, April 27, 2005 at 11:28 PM -0500 wrote: >Can you mac users get a gnome session running in a window? If so, how? > First, let me make clear our setup. We have a 2-NIC LTSP Server and our thin LTSP clients live in their own LAN (192.168.0.0/24). The other NIC on the LTSP Server lives in our main LAN (172.16.4.0/24). The thin LTSP clients can now accept logins with usernames/passwords from our OS X Open Directory server (which lives in the 172 VLAN). I am using NFS to mount their home directories on the LTSP Server. Seems to work just fine - I login with my username and password on a think LTSP client and I get my OS X desktop and folders. Additionally, users on Macs in the 172 VLAN can start an X session on the LTSP Server. We have X11 installed on all our Mac workstations, so a logged in Mac user can just pop open X11, type x -query 172.16.4.253 :1 and get the LTSP login screen. They do have to re-enter their username & password on the LTSP login screen, but that's a minor difficulty. The X session does take over the whole screen, so they can't easily see their OS X desktop. But, the dock remains so that they can open Finder windows, run OS X applications and all that jazz. Your question leads me to 2 other questions 1 - is there a way to hide or minimize the X session to get back to the OS X destop? 2 - is there a way to set things up so that when I start an X session from a logged in Mac, it auto logs me in with my username/password. Something kerberos-like (i.e., the LTSP server recognizes who I am when I start the session and bypasses the login screen)? Thanks, Christopher Butler Director of Technology Shore Country Day School Beverly, MA 01915 cbutler at shoreschool.org From gentgeen at linuxmail.org Thu Apr 28 12:18:34 2005 From: gentgeen at linuxmail.org (Kevin Squire) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 08:18:34 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] IceWM, Gnome & Nautilus FRUSTRATIONS In-Reply-To: <20050427162443.21869.qmail@web52903.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050427162443.21869.qmail@web52903.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050428081834.6d6caba3@linuxbox> As someone else mentioned, I find running Nautilus and IceWM together to be somewhat counter-productive. With Ice being such a nice, light weight window manager, and nautilus being a full fledge (bloated?) file manager/desktop manager. Personnally I have had great success using Rox-Filer as the file manager when using IceWM. Rox does have the ability to control the wallpaper and desktop icons by using the 'pinboard' feature. I have found IceWM and Rox together, along with some icon and config tweaking, creates a really impressive and "comfortable" environment for those used to the Windows world. On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 09:24:43 -0700 (PDT) richard ingalls wrote: > Can anyone help me get IceWM working WITH the desktop > icons and file manager, etc.? Can anyone help me get > GNOME working? > > I have a machine that serves the /home directories to > the other K12LTSP servers in my building. It is a new > install of FC3. When students logon in this > particular classroom (where the /home server is)... > everything is fine! yeah. BUT, when they attempt to > logon at one of the other classrooms (each has it's > own LTSP server and NFS mounts /home)... they can get > IceWM (with NO icons, file manager, etc.) and they > CAN'T get GNOME at all! What is going on? > > I'm so frustrated with FC3 right now regarding this > situation that I'm considering going back to Red Hat > 8.0 (3.0.0 distibution - it just worked!). Do a > complete reinstall on ALL my machines. Sure FC3 looks > great, but it has NOT made my life easier or more > productive or very much fun. > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- From niurkaholt at cantv.net Thu Apr 28 12:31:30 2005 From: niurkaholt at cantv.net (Richard/n) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 08:31:30 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] [reposted] yum OR apt - which? In-Reply-To: <1114683701.30930.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1114683701.30930.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200504280831.31402.niurkaholt@cantv.net> On Thursday 28 April 2005 06:21 am, Gavin Chester wrote: > [sent this in a week ago, but no one had time or interest. > Any takers this time?] > > A quick straw poll with perhaps a weighted vote given to THE MAN (ie, > Eric) if he has the time to chip in an opinion :-). > > Which works best overall: apt or yum and what are the pros and cons? > > (If this subject is "wiki-fied", forgive my laziness and tell me that > it's all been documented already ;-).) > > MY VIEW: > I've always favoured apt in the past, particularly after I discovered > synaptic. I mostly use that to browse packages graphically, but I'd > rather do the deed of updating and upgrading via a terminal. Having > been sold on apt by this list in the distant past, I have been surprised to > see Eric mostly refer to yum updates lately and almost never apt. Have you tried "aptitude"? It is a console app that gives all the info as synaptic but much, much faster. I got away from synaptic and kpackage because they took forever but didn't tell me what they were doing. Aptitude is a bit cryptic but there is quite a bit of documentation available. Yum seems to be a part of fedora. Richard. From les at futuresource.com Thu Apr 28 12:44:34 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 07:44:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] [reposted] yum OR apt - which? In-Reply-To: <1114683701.30930.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1114683701.30930.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1114692274.25474.12.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2005-04-28 at 05:21, Gavin Chester wrote: > I could go on, but I want to hear of the experiences and opinion of > other "frontliners" on my personal apt vs yum dilemma. Thanks. I started with apt long ago and switched to yum when it started automatically doing the 'right' thing with kernel updates. Yum is much slower on the first update since all the headers are downloaded as separate files, but after that there is not a big difference on a reasonably fast machine and the default of always checking for new headers seems right for the way I use it. I always set http_proxy and ftp_proxy on the command line ahead of the yum update command to point to a squid box configured to cache large files so it is faster for multiple machines or if I reinstall and start over later. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From petre at maltzen.net Thu Apr 28 13:07:42 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 08:07:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Authenticate to OS X Open Directory SOLVED In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4270E01E.9060303@maltzen.net> > their home directories on the LTSP Server. Seems to work just fine - I > login with my username and password on a think LTSP client and I get my OS > X desktop and folders. > What are you using for your thin clients? x86 machines (PCs) or Macs? What I'm really after is understanding how your clients get an OS X desktop and folders. Can you elaborate on that? > Your question leads me to 2 other questions > 1 - is there a way to hide or minimize the X session to get back to the OS > X destop? I don't know if it's available on Mac but you might check out Xnest, which allows you to run a separate X session within a window in the existing X session. Petre From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 28 13:22:40 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 06:22:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] IceWM, Gnome & Nautilus FRUSTRATIONS In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050428132240.15435.qmail@web41623.mail.yahoo.com> I started using Rox at the suggestion of someone on this list (maybe you, Kevin, I can't remember). Anyway, I really like it. It is very fast and complements IceWM nicely. It opens up instantly on my Celeron 2.0 machine, whereas if I use Konqueror (my other file manager of choice) I have to wait a few seconds. -Rob --- Kevin Squire wrote: > As someone else mentioned, I find running Nautilus > and IceWM together to > be somewhat counter-productive. With Ice being such > a nice, light > weight window manager, and nautilus being a full > fledge (bloated?) file > manager/desktop manager. > > Personnally I have had great success using Rox-Filer > as the file manager > when using IceWM. Rox does have the ability to > control the wallpaper > and desktop icons by using the 'pinboard' feature. > I have found IceWM > and Rox together, along with some icon and config > tweaking, creates a > really impressive and "comfortable" environment for > those used to the > Windows world. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From info at proex-india.com Thu Apr 28 12:00:49 2005 From: info at proex-india.com (info) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 17:30:49 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] inte 845 problem solved Message-ID: Thanks all of you Special thansk to Sudev, The problem was the bios memory allocation to card , which was 1MB , increased to 8 MB and got the resolution of 1024x768. Xserver used was i810 Regards K.dinesh *********************************************************************** In a World Without Fences Who Needs GATES ? *********************************************************************** This message and any attached files will have been checked with virus detection software before transmission. However, recipients must carry out their own virus checks before opening any attachment. Company accepts no liability for any loss or damage, which may be caused by software viruses. *********************************************************************** -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 4/25/05 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 4/25/05 From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 28 13:25:36 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 06:25:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] [reposted] yum OR apt - which? In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050428132536.9886.qmail@web41607.mail.yahoo.com> I've often wondered why there are so many of these package installers. Seems to me that apt came first, only to be duplicated by yum, up2date, urpmi, etc. I haven't tried them all, but I haven't heard of any special features that any of them have over apt. It just makes me wonder why did anybody bother? Why didn't everybody just start to use apt? It's not like it costs money or anything... -Rob --- Daniel Hedblom wrote: > Hello! > > I like them both because they solve a big problem in > a good way, namely > dependancies. Apt has some advantages over yum but > for the normal user thats not > an issue. For the user all that matters is the > ability to get things installed > in an easy way and both apt and yum shines on that > area. > > You can avoid going trough refreshing the repo on > yum by doing > #yum -C install packagename. -C tells yum to not > refresh the repo but instead > use the local one. > > /daniel > > Citerar Gavin Chester : > > > [sent this in a week ago, but no one had time or > interest. > > Any takers this time?] > > > > A quick straw poll with perhaps a weighted vote > given to THE MAN (ie, > > Eric) if he has the time to chip in an opinion > :-). > > > > Which works best overall: apt or yum and what are > the pros and cons? > > > > (If this subject is "wiki-fied", forgive my > laziness and tell me that > > it's all been documented already ;-).) > > > > MY VIEW: > > I've always favoured apt in the past, particularly > after I discovered > > synaptic. I mostly use that to browse packages > graphically, but I'd > > rather do the deed of updating and upgrading via a > terminal. Having > > been sold on apt by this list in the distant past, > I have been surprised to > > see Eric mostly refer to yum updates lately and > almost never apt. > > > > Thinking "he knows best" (well, who would if not > Eric?) I started > > exploring yum's capabilities instead. I didn't > like it at first, but > > now it's growing on me and helping me avoid apt's > tendency to want to > > remove some packages each update. That's a big > minus for apt - perhaps > > driven > > by repository madness (I've alternately added and > removed certain repos > > to get some wanted packages not in the stock > repos). > > > > However, I find some big minuses with yum, such as > it being a chore on > > dialup because it goes through such protracted > preparations just to end > > up telling me that package "xxx" is not listed, or > that there are no > > upgrades for "yyy". Then there is the yum daily > cron update (I deleted > > it) that was chewing up precious bandwidth without > actually seeming to > > speed up yum's updates when I manually invoked > them. > > > > I could go on, but I want to hear of the > experiences and opinion of > > other "frontliners" on my personal apt vs yum > dilemma. Thanks. > > > > -- > > Regards, > > Gavin Chester > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > > Ne auderis delere orbem rigidum meum! > > //// > (O O) > ('< +----------------+--oOO----(_)----------+ > /V\ |Daniel Hedblom |Mobil 070-3837244 | > <(_) +----------------+----------------------+ > ~~ |IT-tekniker Sollefte? Kommun | > +----------------------------------oOO--+ > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Thu Apr 28 13:46:02 2005 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 21:46:02 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] [reposted] yum OR apt - which? In-Reply-To: <20050428132536.9886.qmail@web41607.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050428132536.9886.qmail@web41607.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1114695963.30930.84.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2005-04-28 at 06:25 -0700, Rob Owens wrote: > I've often wondered why there are so many of these > package installers. Seems to me that apt came first, > only to be duplicated by yum, up2date, urpmi, etc. -snip- EXACTLY! That's kinda' what's got me confused over time. I mean, you are advised in some quarters to get yum by invoking "apt install yum" - what the ...? Is that what you call recursive package management? ;-) Anyway, as I said in my original post (and like many other users I guess), I started out using and loving apt, but nowadays have followed others (notably, Eric as the maintainer) towards yum. Richard commented that yum was a "fedora thing", so that's probably why it's become more prevalent among users on this list. Still canvassing for opinions, and thanks to those that have proffered their experiences and opinions so far. -- Regards, Gavin Chester From les at futuresource.com Thu Apr 28 14:23:16 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 09:23:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] [reposted] yum OR apt - which? In-Reply-To: <20050428132536.9886.qmail@web41607.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050428132536.9886.qmail@web41607.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1114698195.30383.89.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2005-04-28 at 08:25, Rob Owens wrote: > I've often wondered why there are so many of these > package installers. Seems to me that apt came first, > only to be duplicated by yum, up2date, urpmi, etc. I > haven't tried them all, but I haven't heard of any > special features that any of them have over apt. It > just makes me wonder why did anybody bother? Why > didn't everybody just start to use apt? It's not like > it costs money or anything... Apt was originally developed for Debian .deb packages. RPM packages include dependency information but the rpm program doesn't do anything to automatically resolve it, so apt was adapted as a free solution (RedHat's up2date was originally built as a subscription plan so the proliferation of methods really is because the first one cost money...). Yum was developed as the installer for Yellow Dog Linux (the Mac offshoot of RedHat) and then ported back. However the story isn't over yet because now there are a lot of independently maintained repositories of add-on stuff with potential conflicts and apt, yum, and up2date all lack a good way to control preferences so certain packages can be loaded from specific repositories and then kept up to date without accidentally pulling in other files that happen to be newer there. So, watch for 'smart' and maybe some others to replace the current crop. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From staffords at glenburn.net Thu Apr 28 14:29:57 2005 From: staffords at glenburn.net (Shane Stafford) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 10:29:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice Impress presentation linking to outside web pages In-Reply-To: <20050428081834.6d6caba3@linuxbox> References: <20050427162443.21869.qmail@web52903.mail.yahoo.com> <20050428081834.6d6caba3@linuxbox> Message-ID: Have a teacher trying to link to outside web pages and error we get is to associate it with a program. We tried associating it with Mozilla, but still doesn't open. Any ideas? What is the correct path we should be choosing to associate this program. thanks Shane Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer S & B Consulting From cbutler at shoreschool.org Thu Apr 28 15:01:07 2005 From: cbutler at shoreschool.org (Christopher Butler) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 11:01:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Authenticate to OS X Open Directory SOLVED In-Reply-To: <4270E01E.9060303@maltzen.net> References: < > <4270E01E.9060303@maltzen.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, April 28, 2005 at 9:07 AM -0500 wrote: >> their home directories on the LTSP Server. Seems to work just fine - I >> login with my username and password on a think LTSP client and I get my >OS >> X desktop and folders. >> >What are you using for your thin clients? x86 machines (PCs) or Macs? >What I'm really >after is understanding how your clients get an OS X desktop and folders. >Can you >elaborate on that? Our LTSP thin clients are currently old Pentiums (leftover HP Vectras). I've got a room full of old Bondi iMacs that will be rolled out this spring or next fall as a set of additional thin LTSP clients (I just need to work out some of the little details like keyboard mappings and getting my hands on some multi-button USB mice). I followed the instructions in the K12LTSP Wiki regarding OS X home directories (it's in the Interoperability section): http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Technical%3AIntegrateWithOSX Basically, I have my OS X server pushing out the home directory folder via NFS to my LTSP server. On the LTSP server, I set up a mount record for the NFS mount. When a student logs into a thin client, the LTSP server authenticates to my OS X Open Directory server, grabs the home directory information, and since I have the NFS mount going, it can correctly set the Desktop and provide access to the Documents folder that lives on the OS X server. Our OS X setup is very centralized - one OD Server, one file server with everyone's home directories - all OS X clients require a network login. For the OS X side of things, any student can sit down at any Mac on campus, log in, and get their personal desktop and home folder. I can now get the same universal access for anyone who sits in front of a K12LTSP thin client. > > >> Your question leads me to 2 other questions >> 1 - is there a way to hide or minimize the X session to get back to the >OS >> X destop? >I don't know if it's available on Mac but you might check out Xnest, >which allows you to >run a separate X session within a window in the existing X session. On my PC I use Cygwin and just open up a bash shell and type the same x command and I get a window that is my X session. That window gets the standard Windows minimize/maximize buttons so I can hide it. When I run it on my Mac, I don't get any minimize/maximize buttons, so it just takes over the whole screen, covering up my OS X desktop. Christopher Butler Director of Technology Shore Country Day School Beverly, MA 01915 cbutler at shoreschool.org From bill at computassist.com Thu Apr 28 15:12:56 2005 From: bill at computassist.com (Bill Bardon) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 10:12:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] IceWM, Gnome & Nautilus FRUSTRATIONS In-Reply-To: <1114662895.30930.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20050427162443.21869.qmail@web52903.mail.yahoo.com> <1114659877.1819.7.camel@server.ltsp> <1114662895.30930.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20050428101256.2f807689@localhost.localdomain> On Thursday, Apr 28 Gavin Chester wrote: > Haven't tried it myself, but screenshots look promising. I switched > to XFce instead of IceWM because I reckon it has more pizazz out of > the two - and nautilus didn't load by default :-). Since then, I've > just got used to the absence of desktop icons and haven't felt the > need to play with iDesk, myself. Mind you, I feel left out when Joe > Blow talks about clicking on the default xxx icon, etc. Sob. I guess this is a user preference thing, but I run IceWM alone, and haven't missed desktop icons a bit. I put buttons for my most often used apps in the toolbar ($HOME/.icewm/toolbar) so they are visible even when my desktop is covered with already open apps. -- Bill Bardon COMPUTASSIST Omaha, Nebraska http://www.computassist.com From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Apr 28 15:29:27 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 10:29:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Disk Quota SAMBA/LDAP? Message-ID: <000601c54c07$10326f70$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Has anyone tried setting disk quotas for users created with the SAMBA/LDAP script? Just wondering if this still works the same as always or not. I was just thinking that disk quotas were built off of local system accounts and wasn't sure if they would properly affect LDAP users. Thanks, Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 28 15:26:12 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 08:26:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] [reposted] yum OR apt - which? In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050428152612.96521.qmail@web41605.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks for the info. I guess what I'm wondering is why attempt to replace the original (apt, I think) instead of improving it? I guess the developers have their reasons, but it seems to me that re-writing instead of re-using defeats many of the benefits of open source. -Rob --- Les Mikesell wrote: > On Thu, 2005-04-28 at 08:25, Rob Owens wrote: > > I've often wondered why there are so many of these > > package installers. Seems to me that apt came > first, > > only to be duplicated by yum, up2date, urpmi, etc. > I > > haven't tried them all, but I haven't heard of any > > special features that any of them have over apt. > It > > just makes me wonder why did anybody bother? Why > > didn't everybody just start to use apt? It's not > like > > it costs money or anything... > > Apt was originally developed for Debian .deb > packages. RPM > packages include dependency information but the rpm > program > doesn't do anything to automatically resolve it, so > apt was > adapted as a free solution (RedHat's up2date was > originally > built as a subscription plan so the proliferation of > methods > really is because the first one cost money...). Yum > was > developed as the installer for Yellow Dog Linux (the > Mac offshoot > of RedHat) and then ported back. However the story > isn't over > yet because now there are a lot of independently > maintained > repositories of add-on stuff with potential > conflicts and > apt, yum, and up2date all lack a good way to control > preferences > so certain packages can be loaded from specific > repositories > and then kept up to date without accidentally > pulling in other > files that happen to be newer there. So, watch for > 'smart' and > maybe some others to replace the current crop. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 28 15:27:46 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 08:27:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice Impress presentation linking to outside web pages In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050428152747.93337.qmail@web41622.mail.yahoo.com> the full path would probably be /usr/bin/mozilla -Rob --- Shane Stafford wrote: > Have a teacher trying to link to outside web pages > and error we get is to > associate it with a program. We tried associating > it with Mozilla, but > still doesn't open. Any ideas? What is the correct > path we should be > choosing to associate this program. > > thanks > Shane > > > Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT > Director Information Services Glenburn School and > Town > Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer > S & B Consulting > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 28 15:30:24 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 08:30:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] IceWM, Gnome & Nautilus FRUSTRATIONS In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050428153024.33874.qmail@web41610.mail.yahoo.com> I agree with you, Bill. I doubled the height of my toolbar so even though I have a ton of icons on it, I still have a full screen-width which shows which windows I have open. -Rob --- Bill Bardon wrote: > I guess this is a user preference thing, but I run > IceWM alone, and > haven't missed desktop icons a bit. I put buttons > for my most often > used apps in the toolbar ($HOME/.icewm/toolbar) so > they are visible even > when my desktop is covered with already open apps. > > > -- > Bill Bardon > COMPUTASSIST > Omaha, Nebraska > http://www.computassist.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Thu Apr 28 15:37:43 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 16:37:43 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Disk Quota SAMBA/LDAP? References: <000601c54c07$10326f70$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <00c301c54c08$389279a0$65c8a8c0@brianwork> Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Has anyone tried setting disk quotas for users created with the > SAMBA/LDAP script? > > Just wondering if this still works the same as always or not. I was > just thinking that disk quotas were built off of local system accounts > and wasn't sure if they would properly affect LDAP users. > > Thanks, > > Jim Kronebusch > Cotter Tech Department > 507-453-5188 > jim at winonacotter.org I've tried it, I created a "standard user" with all the quota's setup and then inserted I line in the batch add script just after it sets the smbpasswd to do a edquota -p "standard users" "username" (I think it's edquota -p) and it seemed to work on my test server. I'm about to setup our main production server so I'll be trying it more soon. Brian Chivers --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Thu Apr 28 15:41:13 2005 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 10:41:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Modelines In-Reply-To: <20050428152631.3A8D9738C9@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050428152631.3A8D9738C9@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <42710419.20206@honeygroveisd.net> The recent thread about modelines triggered this question, but I didn't want to hijack that thread, so here's a new one. On a number of my older PCs that I'm using as clients the 1024x768 screen resolution works, but is so small as to be almost unreadable. I can switch to a lower resolution, such as 800x600, but the desktop size doesn't change. Meaning that the user has to scroll around to see a 1024x768 desktop on an 800x600 monitor. Is there a way to dynamically resize the entire desktop environment automatically? Does that even make sense? C-ya, Mark ____ Never forget: 2 + 2 = 5 for extremely large values of 2. From les at futuresource.com Thu Apr 28 15:47:25 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 10:47:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] [reposted] yum OR apt - which? In-Reply-To: <20050428152612.96521.qmail@web41605.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050428152612.96521.qmail@web41605.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1114703244.14016.13.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2005-04-28 at 10:26, Rob Owens wrote: > Thanks for the info. I guess what I'm wondering is > why attempt to replace the original (apt, I think) > instead of improving it? I guess the developers have > their reasons, but it seems to me that re-writing > instead of re-using defeats many of the benefits of > open source. Competition and choices are what drives improvement, so I consider it a good thing. As a more practical matter I've had both get into confused states at different times where they wouldn't work and was able to fix things by using the other to update or fix some conflicting packages. Up2date was the original but had the disadvantage of needing a redhat network subscription. Apt was probably the first widely used substitute, but it had problems dating to its Debian ancestry and is still unable to deal with mixed architecture systems (some 64-bit packages, some 32). Yum is written in python so it was easier for it's author to add features and use the same rpm bindings as up2date. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From cbutler at shoreschool.org Thu Apr 28 15:48:39 2005 From: cbutler at shoreschool.org (Christopher Butler) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 11:48:39 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Authenticate to OS X Open Directory SOLVED In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sure -- it was as easy as running authconfig (either the GUI in Gnome or just from a terminal session). In terminal, authconfig has two columns "User Information" and "Authentication." In the first column, I have "Cache Information" and "Use LDAP" checked. In the second column I have "Use MD5 Passwords," "Use Shadow Passwords," and "Use LDAP Authentication" checked. With those options check, when you select Next, it gives you the LDAP setup screen. On the LDAP settings screen, I do NOT have TLS checked (there seems to be some issue with certificates that I can't figure out). For the "Server" field I have the FQDN of my OS X Open Directory server (helios.shoreschool.org). For the "Base DN" field I have dc=shoreschool,dc=org which is exactly the same thing that is in Server Admin on OS X. By that I mean, if you open Server Admin and connect to your Open Directory server and select Open Directory in the left column and then select Settings on the bottom row of buttons, then select "Protocols" across the top, you'll see a field called "Search Base". Whatever you see in there needs to go in the authconfig "Base DN" settings on the LTSP server. Hope this helps, Christopher Butler Director of Technology Shore Country Day School Beverly, MA 01915 cbutler at shoreschool.org chan at sacredsf.org on Thursday, April 28, 2005 at 11:38 AM -0500 wrote: >Congrats on the solution! > >Can you point me to info on how you configured the LDAP? > >Thanks. > > From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Apr 28 15:53:48 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 10:53:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Disk Quota SAMBA/LDAP? In-Reply-To: <00c301c54c08$389279a0$65c8a8c0@brianwork> Message-ID: <000a01c54c0a$778adba0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > I've tried it, I created a "standard user" with all the > quota's setup and then inserted I line in the batch add > script just after it sets the smbpasswd to do a edquota -p > "standard users" "username" (I think it's edquota -p) and it > seemed to work on my test server. So you are duplicating the SAMBA/LDAP users with a local account with the same username and password? My guess would be then you would have default quotas set for local users, run a batch import of some sort and pull in the local accounts. Then run the bulk add scripts for SAMBA/LDAP with the tweak of edquota -p added to it and pull in the same users? If this works let me know. I never tested quotas with SAMBA/LDAP and that will be a must have on my production setup for next year. Sure would be nice to have something like the Webmin tool that syncs SAMBA and Unix accounts. Could the Webmin LDAP module be tweaked with a sync with Unix user accounts? That sure could simplify things. Except for the person who does the modification :-) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Thu Apr 28 15:57:07 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 16:57:07 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Disk Quota SAMBA/LDAP? References: <000a01c54c0a$778adba0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <00cc01c54c0a$ee7dc150$65c8a8c0@brianwork> Jim Kronebusch wrote: >> I've tried it, I created a "standard user" with all the >> quota's setup and then inserted I line in the batch add >> script just after it sets the smbpasswd to do a edquota -p >> "standard users" "username" (I think it's edquota -p) and it >> seemed to work on my test server. > > So you are duplicating the SAMBA/LDAP users with a local account with > the same username and password? > > My guess would be then you would have default quotas set for local > users, run a batch import of some sort and pull in the local accounts. > Then run the bulk add scripts for SAMBA/LDAP with the tweak of edquota > -p added to it and pull in the same users? > > If this works let me know. I never tested quotas with SAMBA/LDAP and > that will be a must have on my production setup for next year. > > Sure would be nice to have something like the Webmin tool that syncs > SAMBA and Unix accounts. Could the Webmin LDAP module be tweaked > with a sync with Unix user accounts? That sure could simplify > things. Except for the person who does the modification :-) Hopefully I'm going to start build the new server next week so as soon as I get to the quota bit I'll try to remember to mail the list with updates and information. I think webmin already keeps things in sync if I remember but again I'll let you know. Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 28 16:08:42 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 09:08:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] [reposted] yum OR apt - which? In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050428160842.28329.qmail@web41626.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks Les. You are like a linux encyclopedia. -Rob --- Les Mikesell wrote: > On Thu, 2005-04-28 at 10:26, Rob Owens wrote: > > Thanks for the info. I guess what I'm wondering > is > > why attempt to replace the original (apt, I think) > > instead of improving it? I guess the developers > have > > their reasons, but it seems to me that re-writing > > instead of re-using defeats many of the benefits > of > > open source. > > Competition and choices are what drives improvement, > so > I consider it a good thing. As a more practical > matter > I've had both get into confused states at different > times > where they wouldn't work and was able to fix things > by using > the other to update or fix some conflicting > packages. > > Up2date was the original but had the disadvantage of > needing > a redhat network subscription. Apt was probably the > first > widely used substitute, but it had problems dating > to its > Debian ancestry and is still unable to deal with > mixed > architecture systems (some 64-bit packages, some > 32). Yum > is written in python so it was easier for it's > author to add > features and use the same rpm bindings as up2date. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Thu Apr 28 16:13:25 2005 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 12:13:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] IceWM, Gnome & Nautilus FRUSTRATIONS In-Reply-To: <20050428034354.06D5E731BB@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050428034354.06D5E731BB@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1114704805.16530.84.camel@phoenix.hhp> Richard, I have a idea that it is gconf that is your problem. If a kid logs onto one LTSP server (sharing the same /home as other LTSP servers), when they log out gconf and some other programs stay active keeping lock files in place. Therefore, when the student logs into the next server, GNOME and Nautilus, etc can't use gconf b/c of the lock file from the renegade gconf process(s) on the other LTSP server. What happens if a kid logs on twice on the same LTSP server (different terminals). Is the effect almost the same? You might have to enable PURGE_PROCESSES for logout. Henry > From: richard ingalls > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] IceWM, Gnome & Nautilus FRUSTRATIONS > Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 09:24:43 -0700 > > Can anyone help me get IceWM working WITH the desktop > icons and file manager, etc.? Can anyone help me get > GNOME working? > > I have a machine that serves the /home directories to > the other K12LTSP servers in my building. It is a new > install of FC3. When students logon in this > particular classroom (where the /home server is)... > everything is fine! yeah. BUT, when they attempt to > logon at one of the other classrooms (each has it's > own LTSP server and NFS mounts /home)... they can get > IceWM (with NO icons, file manager, etc.) and they > CAN'T get GNOME at all! What is going on? > > I'm so frustrated with FC3 right now regarding this > situation that I'm considering going back to Red Hat > 8.0 (3.0.0 distibution - it just worked!). Do a > complete reinstall on ALL my machines. Sure FC3 looks > great, but it has NOT made my life easier or more > productive or very much fun. > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Thu Apr 28 16:51:14 2005 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 12:51:14 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] PXE booting Message-ID: <1114707074.16530.89.camel@phoenix.hhp> I've started using PXE network boot as default on a number of my new systems. I use PXELINUX and setup a boot menu where the user can choose between windows (ie: localdrive) and linux over the network. The cool thing is I have an unlisted option for a pxe-recovery image that I use partimage to restore or image that computer system. No System rescue cd needed. I can pull the XP images straight off the network. Henry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Thu Apr 28 16:53:59 2005 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 12:53:59 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Disk Quota SAMBA/LDAP? In-Reply-To: <20050428160032.9E14273E34@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050428160032.9E14273E34@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1114707239.16530.92.camel@phoenix.hhp> I can vouch for disk quota's working for when users are stored in LDAP. (No local copies needed) Basically, what matters is UID #. Other parts of the system actually map the UID # to the username. Henry > > ______________________________________________________________________ > From: Brian Chivers > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Disk Quota SAMBA/LDAP? > Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 16:37:43 +0100 > > Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > Has anyone tried setting disk quotas for users created with the > > SAMBA/LDAP script? > > > > Just wondering if this still works the same as always or not. I was > > just thinking that disk quotas were built off of local system accounts > > and wasn't sure if they would properly affect LDAP users. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jim Kronebusch > > Cotter Tech Department > > 507-453-5188 > > jim at winonacotter.org > > I've tried it, I created a "standard user" with all the quota's setup and > then inserted I line in the batch add script just after it sets the > smbpasswd to do a edquota -p "standard users" "username" (I think it's > edquota -p) and it seemed to work on my test server. > > I'm about to setup our main production server so I'll be trying it more > soon. > > Brian Chivers > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily > the views of Portsmouth College From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Thu Apr 28 16:56:31 2005 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 12:56:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] BackupPPC Question In-Reply-To: <20050428034354.06D5E731BB@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050428034354.06D5E731BB@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1114707391.16530.96.camel@phoenix.hhp> Les, I was counting on you to respond to the BackupPPC question. ;-p Thanks! Now, do you store the backup data on the 250 gig IDE drive, or raid mirror the 3 external drives (how big are they)? Could you give me a little more info about your setup. Henry > > ______________________________________________________________________ > From: Les Mikesell > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] BackupPPC Question > Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 16:07:04 -0500 > > On Wed, 2005-04-27 at 12:27, Burroughs, Henry wrote: > > > What I want is BackupPPC (or a similar rsync trick to keep multiple > > days/weeks/months worth of backups) and a way to mirror/replicate the > > backed-up data onto one or two removable drives (ie: an external firewire > > drive) so that way I can take a copy of the data (or a good chunk of it) > > home with me everynight (plug it in the morning and it updates itself)... > > and then once I get my offsite location, it will act as one of those > > "removable" drives and I'll have a 3rd copy. So basically, i'm looking > > for a process to replicate the BackupPPC data to X number of removable > > drives/and or other storage locations. > > I'm doing exactly that with a 250 gig IDE drive and 3 external > USB/firewire drives that I periodically swap and re-sync. I'm not > completely happy with the process but it beats anything else that > I have tried so far. The downside is that it takes some manual > intervention to break and re-sync the mirror and about 8 hours > to complete, but I only do the swap once a week. The good parts > are that except for a quick unmount/remount of the partition, the > machine keeps working normally during the re-sync and it doesn't > really care if the 2nd drive is attached or not. I'm connecting > to the server over firewire, but can mount the offline drive > on my laptop via USB and a copy of backuppc there will do a restore. > > I just did an upgrade from FC1 to FC3 on the server and have crashed > a few times since, always with the firewire mirror running. FC1 was > rock-solid (but didn't automatically detect the firewire device) so I > may go back or try ubuntu. FC3 seems to auto-detect the drive when > plugged, but not during a reboot which is what I really wanted so > the raid would be detected and not have to resync. > > > P.S. Someone on another list had said something about rsync -H taking > > an extremely long time to compute symlinks...any experience w/ that? > > Yes, the disk that takes 8 hours to raid-sync would take many days to > do a file based copy. There are just no efficient ways to handle the > number of hardlinks that backuppc uses. The other technique I've seen > mentioned on the backkuppc list that might work even better than raid > is to put the server filesystem on LVM. Then you can unmount it > momentarily, create an LVM snapshot and remount. Then you can do an > image copy with dd from the frozen snapshot to a matching partition > on an external drive. The person doing it said this takes a couple of > hours with the machine continuing to work. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Apr 28 17:24:38 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 12:24:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Disk Quota SAMBA/LDAP? In-Reply-To: <1114707239.16530.92.camel@phoenix.hhp> Message-ID: <003401c54c17$278edcc0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > I can vouch for disk quota's working for when users are > stored in LDAP. > (No local copies needed) Basically, what matters is UID #. > Other parts of the system actually map the UID # to the username. Cool. I was hoping it would work without any extra messing around. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From ascensiontech at gmail.com Thu Apr 28 18:06:31 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Ascension Tech) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 14:06:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] wine is breaking me In-Reply-To: <20050428101000.30256.qmail@web41622.mail.yahoo.com> References: <9bd3175605042622021d5ee9c1@mail.gmail.com> <20050428101000.30256.qmail@web41622.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9bd31756050428110619a99b1c@mail.gmail.com> I totally forgot this: wine works when I boot to the non-smp kernel. I wonder if there are switches for ./configure i need to make it work with smp. We certainly can't go hobbling around with one processor. I don't get many results from google. It seems like most people with smp problems already have wine running. Anyone got ideas? Thanks, Peter On 4/28/05, Rob Owens wrote: > Sounds like it's not installed. But you could do a > search for files that would indicate the presence of > an older version. /usr/bin/wine is the obvious one, > but you could probably get a list of files from > www.winehq.org > > -Rob > > --- Ascension Tech wrote: > > > Hey Rob, > > It's definetely a possibility that I have it > > installed already. But if > > I get 'command not found' after typing wineserver or > > wine, isn't that > > proof that it's not installed? Or is there a better > > way of finding > > that out? > > > > Thanks, > > Peter > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Apr 28 18:26:33 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 13:26:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OSX Roaming Profile Instructions-Auth Linux SAMBA/LDAP Server Message-ID: <003a01c54c1f$cdf1f310$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Here are the instructions for setting up Mac OS 10.3 to authenticate to a Linux SAMBA/LDAP server setup with the scripts provided by David Trask and Matt Oquist. When setup this should require login to the local machine, auth that login to the LDAP server, automount /home directories, and store all user settings and data in the /home/user folder on the LDAP server. Now this setup hasn't exactly been rigorously tested. I got this going in a hurry right before going to the Boston Linux World in hopes to show it off there. I haven't really messed with it since then and a good share of the instructions are from memory. Point being DO NOT TEST THIS ON A GOOD MACHINE! I mean don't take the computer you use everyday, or your bosses machine and give it a whirl. A wrong move in the NetInfo Manager could render the machine un-bootable and you will be whipping out the OSX install CD's or PPC Ubuntu and giving up. With that said, have fun :-) Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: OSX LDAP Setup.odt Type: application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.text Size: 10539 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Apr 28 18:32:20 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 13:32:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] wine is breaking me In-Reply-To: <9bd31756050428110619a99b1c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <004801c54c20$9cec1830$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > > > It's definetely a possibility that I have it > > > installed already. But if > > > I get 'command not found' after typing wineserver or > > > wine, isn't that > > > proof that it's not installed? Or is there a better > > > way of finding > > > that out? At a command line you could always type # updatedb Wiat for that to finish and then # locate wine Any file/folder with "wine" in the name should zip by. Look through that list and if you find it cd to the directory and try to run ./wine or whatever. Hope that helps. I myself have had mixed results with wine. Very buggy. Constant version conflicts, crashes, program incompatibility, etc. I have settled with if someone *really* needs a windows app they need to get a windows terminal server to run it to be stable (well, as stable as Windows can be :-) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Apr 28 18:34:17 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 13:34:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OSX Roaming Profile Instructions-Auth Linux SAMBA/LDAPServer In-Reply-To: <003a01c54c1f$cdf1f310$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <004901c54c20$e2d15040$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Point being DO NOT TEST THIS ON A GOOD MACHINE! I mean don't > take the computer you use everyday, or your bosses machine > and give it a whirl. A wrong move in the NetInfo Manager > could render the machine un-bootable and you will be whipping > out the OSX install CD's or PPC Ubuntu and giving up. By the way, if anyone has success with this please let me know with a post to the list. And if you have any additions/caveats or find something I missed please post them as well. Thanks -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From les at futuresource.com Thu Apr 28 18:57:04 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 13:57:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] BackupPPC Question In-Reply-To: <1114707391.16530.96.camel@phoenix.hhp> References: <20050428034354.06D5E731BB@hormel.redhat.com> <1114707391.16530.96.camel@phoenix.hhp> Message-ID: <1114714624.14016.73.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2005-04-28 at 11:56, Henry Burroughs wrote: > Les, > > I was counting on you to respond to the BackupPPC question. ;-p Thanks! > > Now, do you store the backup data on the 250 gig IDE drive, or raid > mirror the 3 external drives (how big are they)? Could you give me a > little more info about your setup. Like I said, I'm not completely happy with mine so you may not want to copy exactly. The internal and external drives are basically identical WD 250 gig IDE models. For the first round of external drives I used a firewire/usb case and installed the IDE drive myself. I recently replaced them with the pre-built external from WD (which still has the same drive inside). The only important thing about matching drives is that the partition size would have to be set to the smallest member if they weren't exactly the same. All the drives have just one partition, type 'FD'. I created the RAID1 device with only the internal drive and the other one specified as 'missing', then made a reiserfs filesystem on it and mounted the md device as /opt/backuppc. I already had a working configuration on a different machine so I first installed backuppc, then copied most of the stuff other than the archived backups over from there. Once everything was up and running, I added the mirror with 'mdadm /dev/md0 --add /dev/sda1' (device numbers may vary, of course) and the firewire drive was automatically added to the raid. You can watch the sync progress with 'cat /proc/mdstat'. It also works to shut the machine down, add a drive to the ide cable and mirror to that instead of the external drive. I did that a few times when I was having trouble with my first set of drive cases. So far I haven't gotten the system to automatically detect the firewire drive at bootup in time to reconnect the mirror instead of having to re-sync, but that hasn't been a problem. The internal drive is always seen as a 'broken' raid but works just as well anyway (that's the point of raid1...). I always do a 'service backuppc stop' and unmount /opt/backuppc to make sure the filesystem is clean before removing the firewire drive, but even if you didn't it should fix itself from the reiserfs journal when you mount it again. When adding a drive, the sync happens *much* faster if there is no other activity so I try to do that early in the morning so it will finish before starting backups in the evening. That might not work as well if you have machines that are powered down at night so the backups have to run during the day. You might want to investigate SATA drives which are also available in external cases. These might be supported better than firewire now. (Hmmm, maybe a Mac would work better with firewire...). FC1 didn't auto-detect the device swap so there were several manual commands involved and I'd generally end up rebooting after the swap. FC3 does the auto-detect on a hotplug but not at bootup, and I've crashed a couple of times with it (not immediately but always with the firewire drive active in the raid). I've started to set up a ubuntu system to see if it works better. It does have the advantage of being able to install backuppc with apt-get but I haven't had time to test much else yet. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Thu Apr 28 19:23:13 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 15:23:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] IceWM, Gnome & Nautilus FRUSTRATIONS In-Reply-To: <20050427162443.21869.qmail@web52903.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050427162443.21869.qmail@web52903.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: More info please....are you using Samba/LDAP or simply mount the /home directory somewhere like a mapped drive? I use IceWM and use Samba/LDAP meaning we export /home to the K12LTSP server and mount it in the same place (ie: /home actually lives on the Samba/LDAP server). Are there any icons at all or are they all pieces of paper. If there are icons, but they're the pieces of paper....that's usually fixable by deleting the contents of the /tmp directory and then running the "reset-all-desktops" script. OR if you're mounting home from another FC3 server and it is not a server loaded from the K12LTSP disks...then you may need to actually populate the /home directories with the contents of /etc/skel from the K12LTSP server....you can run the reset-all-desktops script (/opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/) I think....and that will do it...or do what I do...use K12LTSP as the FC3 server (just don't activate the LTSP bits) and then you'll have the same stuff in /etc/skel as well as the same scripts. Like I said...I use IceWM with Nautilus with export and mounted home dirs and it runs fine. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Thu Apr 28 19:23:13 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 15:23:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] IceWM, Gnome & Nautilus FRUSTRATIONS In-Reply-To: <20050427162443.21869.qmail@web52903.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050427162443.21869.qmail@web52903.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: More info please....are you using Samba/LDAP or simply mount the /home directory somewhere like a mapped drive? I use IceWM and use Samba/LDAP meaning we export /home to the K12LTSP server and mount it in the same place (ie: /home actually lives on the Samba/LDAP server). Are there any icons at all or are they all pieces of paper. If there are icons, but they're the pieces of paper....that's usually fixable by deleting the contents of the /tmp directory and then running the "reset-all-desktops" script. OR if you're mounting home from another FC3 server and it is not a server loaded from the K12LTSP disks...then you may need to actually populate the /home directories with the contents of /etc/skel from the K12LTSP server....you can run the reset-all-desktops script (/opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/) I think....and that will do it...or do what I do...use K12LTSP as the FC3 server (just don't activate the LTSP bits) and then you'll have the same stuff in /etc/skel as well as the same scripts. Like I said...I use IceWM with Nautilus with export and mounted home dirs and it runs fine. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From aslansreturn at yahoo.com Thu Apr 28 20:26:31 2005 From: aslansreturn at yahoo.com (richard ingalls) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 13:26:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] IceWM, Gnome & Nautilus FRUSTRATIONS In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050428202631.25969.qmail@web52908.mail.yahoo.com> What USED to work: - RedHat8.0 based K12LTSP (3.0.0) server; serving /home out to other LTSP servers (all RH8). No problems. - upgraded the OTHER classroom machines to FC3 based K12LTSP (4.2.0); everything still worked fine THEN -upgraded the /home server to FC3 (4.2.0); did a complete FRESH install NOW students can only log in at the one classroom where the /home server is. If they log in at the other classrooms, they get the IceWM bar at the bottom of the screen, but NO desktop ICONS and NO file manager. ALSO, they can't even USE any of the buttons on the taskbar. Clicking on one results in NOTHING happening. NO Firefox, no OpenOffice... nada. This used to work beautifully with RH8. I bragged about how little I had to work on this Linux-based classroom network (all 4 classrooms). NOW, I've spent weeks trying to make this "new" supposed upgrade work. AAAAAAARGH! Doesn't ANYONE have an ALL FC3 network serving /home out to other FC3 boxes? Can't someone tell me what is happening and HOW to fix it? I'm beginning to HATE Fedora Core 3, and I don't want to. I think it's eye candy appeal is worth it to convince people about the validity of Linux. BUT no amount of eye candy is worth this TROUBLE! --- David Trask wrote: > More info please....are you using Samba/LDAP or > simply mount the /home > directory somewhere like a mapped drive? I use > IceWM and use Samba/LDAP > meaning we export /home to the K12LTSP server and > mount it in the same > place (ie: /home actually lives on the Samba/LDAP > server). Are there any > icons at all or are they all pieces of paper. If > there are icons, but > they're the pieces of paper....that's usually > fixable by deleting the > contents of the /tmp directory and then running the > "reset-all-desktops" > script. OR if you're mounting home from another FC3 > server and it is not > a server loaded from the K12LTSP disks...then you > may need to actually > populate the /home directories with the contents of > /etc/skel from the > K12LTSP server....you can run the reset-all-desktops > script > (/opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/) I think....and that > will do it...or do > what I do...use K12LTSP as the FC3 server (just > don't activate the LTSP > bits) and then you'll have the same stuff in > /etc/skel as well as the same > scripts. > > Like I said...I use IceWM with Nautilus with export > and mounted home dirs > and it runs fine. > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From aslansreturn at yahoo.com Thu Apr 28 20:29:03 2005 From: aslansreturn at yahoo.com (richard ingalls) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 13:29:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] How Do I Go BACK to RedHat 8 from Fedora Core 3? Message-ID: <20050428202903.85696.qmail@web52903.mail.yahoo.com> FC3 does something to the boot loader that prevents me from doing a fresh install of old Red Hat 8. It appears to be working fine, but when it needs to reboot at the end of the install process, it goes to a minial grub command line. Won't boot to RH8. How can I get back my old, precious, functiong Red Hat 8 system from the evil clutches of Darth Fedora? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Thu Apr 28 20:49:56 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 15:49:56 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] How Do I Go BACK to RedHat 8 from Fedora Core 3? In-Reply-To: <20050428202903.85696.qmail@web52903.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050428202903.85696.qmail@web52903.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Boot with a W98 setup CD and start with cd access. run fdisk /mbr. Then try it again. . . Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Thu, 28 Apr 2005, richard ingalls wrote: > FC3 does something to the boot loader that prevents me > from doing a fresh install of old Red Hat 8. It > appears to be working fine, but when it needs to > reboot at the end of the install process, it goes to a > minial grub command line. Won't boot to RH8. > > How can I get back my old, precious, functiong Red Hat > 8 system from the evil clutches of Darth Fedora? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Apr 28 20:57:49 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 15:57:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] IceWM, Gnome & Nautilus FRUSTRATIONS In-Reply-To: <20050428202631.25969.qmail@web52908.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005c01c54c34$efb58bf0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > - RedHat8.0 based K12LTSP (3.0.0) server; serving > /home out to other LTSP servers (all RH8). No > problems. > - upgraded the OTHER classroom machines to FC3 based > K12LTSP (4.2.0); everything still worked fine > > THEN > -upgraded the /home server to FC3 (4.2.0); did a > complete FRESH install Are you missing something that synced the users from the other classroom machines to the /home server? Maybe user ID's no longer match if that used to be the master list of users and is completely fresh. Are you sure /home is exported correctly and is actually being mounted on the other machines? Sounds like this must be something simple. I wish I could be more help. The simple things always kill ya. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Apr 28 20:59:01 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 15:59:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] How Do I Go BACK to RedHat 8 from Fedora Core 3? In-Reply-To: <20050428202903.85696.qmail@web52903.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005d01c54c35$1a774950$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > FC3 does something to the boot loader that prevents me > from doing a fresh install of old Red Hat 8. It > appears to be working fine, but when it needs to > reboot at the end of the install process, it goes to a > minial grub command line. Won't boot to RH8. Whenever I have bootloader problems I perform a low level format, write 0's to the whole drive. Takes considerably longer but you can be sure everything that was, no longer is. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Apr 28 21:00:23 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 16:00:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] How Do I Go BACK to RedHat 8 from Fedora Core 3? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <005e01c54c35$4bd5d610$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Boot with a W98 setup CD and start with cd access. > > run fdisk /mbr. Shouldn't that be boot with a Linux Rescue disk or something? Like being taken to the hospital by the person that shot you :-) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Thu Apr 28 21:14:11 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 17:14:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] PXE booting Message-ID: <1114722851.15710.15.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> Henry, Sounds like a nice setup. How long does it take to do the partimage restore? John From: Henry Burroughs * To: k12osn redhat com * Subject: [K12OSN] PXE booting * Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 12:51:14 -0400 ________________________________________________________________________ I've started using PXE network boot as default on a number of my new systems. I use PXELINUX and setup a boot menu where the user can choose between windows (ie: localdrive) and linux over the network. The cool thing is I have an unlisted option for a pxe-recovery image that I use partimage to restore or image that computer system. No System rescue cd needed. I can pull the XP images straight off the network. Henry From les at futuresource.com Thu Apr 28 21:56:10 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 16:56:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] IceWM, Gnome & Nautilus FRUSTRATIONS In-Reply-To: <20050428202631.25969.qmail@web52908.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050428202631.25969.qmail@web52908.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1114725369.22209.9.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2005-04-28 at 15:26, richard ingalls wrote: > What USED to work: > - RedHat8.0 based K12LTSP (3.0.0) server; serving > /home out to other LTSP servers (all RH8). No > problems. > - upgraded the OTHER classroom machines to FC3 based > K12LTSP (4.2.0); everything still worked fine > > THEN > -upgraded the /home server to FC3 (4.2.0); did a > complete FRESH install > > NOW students can only log in at the one classroom > where the /home server is. If they log in at the > other classrooms, they get the IceWM bar at the bottom > of the screen, but NO desktop ICONS and NO file > manager. ALSO, they can't even USE any of the buttons > on the taskbar. Clicking on one results in NOTHING > happening. NO Firefox, no OpenOffice... nada. This sounds like they can't access their home directories. How do you handle the uids between the different machines - do you use LDAP, NIS, copied passwd files or what, and could that have broken when you upgraded the machine serving /home? The uid numbers must match for each login between the machine serving and mounting the NFS /homes. If you allow root to log in from a terminal, does that work everywhere? If that isn't the problem and you just can't access the icons and launchers, what happens if you start nautilus by hand (open an xterm and type 'nautilus'). -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From twinprism at athena.physics.isu.edu Thu Apr 28 22:04:37 2005 From: twinprism at athena.physics.isu.edu (Ben Nickell) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 16:04:37 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] How Do I Go BACK to RedHat 8 from Fedora Core 3? In-Reply-To: <005e01c54c35$4bd5d610$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <005e01c54c35$4bd5d610$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <42715DF5.6070904@physics.isu.edu> Jim Kronebusch wrote: >>Boot with a W98 setup CD and start with cd access. >> >>run fdisk /mbr. >> >> > >Shouldn't that be boot with a Linux Rescue disk or something? > >Like being taken to the hospital by the person that shot you :-) > > > > In Doug's defense, fdisk /mbr is a quick and easy way to wipe out the MBR, without regard for any Linux installations which may be there. After you do that you'll need the Linux rescue disk or to run the installer from scratch. The Linux rescue disk equivalent to zero the MBR is harder to remember, but is more likely to work. Make sure you have the right hard drive, and run: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 More fun ways to trash your MBR here: http://linuxgazette.net/issue63/okopnik.html HTH, Ben From sudev at mantraonline.com Fri Apr 29 04:19:51 2005 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 09:49:51 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] IceWM, Gnome & Nautilus FRUSTRATIONS In-Reply-To: <005c01c54c34$efb58bf0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <005c01c54c34$efb58bf0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1114748391.12680.4.camel@server.ltsp> On Thu, 2005-04-28 at 15:57 -0500, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > - RedHat8.0 based K12LTSP (3.0.0) server; serving > > /home out to other LTSP servers (all RH8). No > > problems. > > - upgraded the OTHER classroom machines to FC3 based > > K12LTSP (4.2.0); everything still worked fine > > > > THEN > > -upgraded the /home server to FC3 (4.2.0); did a > > complete FRESH install > > Are you missing something that synced the users from the other classroom > machines to the /home server? Maybe user ID's no longer match if that > used to be the master list of users and is completely fresh. 1. Maybe it is simply that in RH8 you used version of OO that gave command oowriter to start writer and now it is swriter? Check the file /usr/share/icewm/menu and edit launch lines for various programs. 2. See my post earlier in the week regarding icons and background. start nautilus and everything will appear. Unfortunately I have yet to discover how to start nautilus automatically on login. HTH -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From hick518 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 29 10:12:16 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 03:12:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] IceWM, Gnome & Nautilus FRUSTRATIONS In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050429101216.65407.qmail@web41613.mail.yahoo.com> Richard, Sounds like maybe /home really isn't mounted. Or like Les said, maybe the uid's don't match up right. Try this: At the login screen on the server that you're having trouble with, try to log in a user. I expect that you're going to have the same situation as if you tried to log that user in at a terminal. Then hit ctrl-alt-f2 for a shell login prompt. Try again to log in a user. Watch for a message that says something like "home directory can't be found, using temporary home..." At least that's the error my Mandrake box gives if I try to log in while /home is not mounted. Anyway, I think you'll probably get some kind of error, and I think that the gui login is probably hiding that error from you. -Rob --- richard ingalls wrote: > What USED to work: > - RedHat8.0 based K12LTSP (3.0.0) server; serving > /home out to other LTSP servers (all RH8). No > problems. > - upgraded the OTHER classroom machines to FC3 based > K12LTSP (4.2.0); everything still worked fine > > THEN > -upgraded the /home server to FC3 (4.2.0); did a > complete FRESH install > > NOW students can only log in at the one classroom > where the /home server is. If they log in at the > other classrooms, they get the IceWM bar at the > bottom > of the screen, but NO desktop ICONS and NO file > manager. ALSO, they can't even USE any of the > buttons > on the taskbar. Clicking on one results in NOTHING > happening. NO Firefox, no OpenOffice... nada. > > This used to work beautifully with RH8. I bragged > about how little I had to work on this Linux-based > classroom network (all 4 classrooms). NOW, I've > spent > weeks trying to make this "new" supposed upgrade > work. > AAAAAAARGH! > > Doesn't ANYONE have an ALL FC3 network serving /home > out to other FC3 boxes? Can't someone tell me what > is > happening and HOW to fix it? I'm beginning to HATE > Fedora Core 3, and I don't want to. I think it's > eye > candy appeal is worth it to convince people about > the > validity of Linux. BUT no amount of eye candy is > worth this TROUBLE! > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Apr 29 15:50:46 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 10:50:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OSX Roaming Profile Instructions-Auth LinuxSAMBA/LDAPServer In-Reply-To: <004901c54c20$e2d15040$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <000d01c54cd3$351312a0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > By the way, if anyone has success with this please let me > know with a post to the list. And if you have any > additions/caveats or find something I missed please post them as well. I tried to follow my instructions today and apologize to anyone who tried to use them :-) There were a few steps missing. I have attached the revised directions that include the needed changes. In all this process should only take about 15 minutes start to finish. I tested the new instructions this morning with OS 10.3 and everything worked fine. Thanks, -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: OSX LDAP Setup.odt Type: application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.text Size: 11006 bytes Desc: not available URL: From staffords at glenburn.net Fri Apr 29 16:41:43 2005 From: staffords at glenburn.net (Shane Stafford) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 12:41:43 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Looking for OpenSource E-mail, Conference, Calendar Package In-Reply-To: <20050429101216.65407.qmail@web41613.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050429101216.65407.qmail@web41613.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hello I'm looking for suggestions for a good OpenSource - E-mail, Conference, Calendar Package. We currently have FirstClass, but may be losing that system and need to develop another system very quickly. Suggestion of good experiences for this kind of package are very appreciated. thanks Shane Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer S & B Consulting From rfreidel at computergeex.com Fri Apr 29 17:07:25 2005 From: rfreidel at computergeex.com (Ron Freidel) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 17:07:25 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Looking for OpenSource E-mail, Conference, Calendar Package Message-ID: <20050429.iTh.69343700@mail.computergeex.com> Shane Stafford (staffords at glenburn.net) wrote: > > Hello > > I'm looking for suggestions for a good OpenSource - E-mail, Conference, > Calendar Package. We currently have FirstClass, but may be losing that > system and need to develop another system very quickly. > Suggestion of good experiences for this kind of package are very > appreciated. > > thanks > Shane > If you are looking for a LAMP solution we use http://phpgroupware.org on our LAN here with very good results. While it is not an email server it attaches to our imap server easily. We mostly use the calendar, though I do most of my email via phpgroupware. -- Ron Freidel Sys Admin Computer Geex, Inc. (406) 491-3378 From dgough at papcs.com Fri Apr 29 18:00:18 2005 From: dgough at papcs.com (Doug Gough) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 11:00:18 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Looking for OpenSource E-mail, Conference, Calendar Package Message-ID: <88CE924D399D784FB06DA325F2CF4032D8B995@xms.papcs.com> Check out the following: Horde PHPGroupware eGroupware moregroupware PHProjekt Thanks, Doug Gough Computer Services Pacific Academy -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Shane Stafford Sent: April 29, 2005 9:42 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: [K12OSN] Looking for OpenSource E-mail, Conference, Calendar Package Hello I'm looking for suggestions for a good OpenSource - E-mail, Conference, Calendar Package. We currently have FirstClass, but may be losing that system and need to develop another system very quickly. Suggestion of good experiences for this kind of package are very appreciated. thanks Shane Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer S & B Consulting _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From tom.hoffman at gmail.com Fri Apr 29 18:04:21 2005 From: tom.hoffman at gmail.com (Tom Hoffman) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 14:04:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Looking for OpenSource E-mail, Conference, Calendar Package In-Reply-To: References: <20050429101216.65407.qmail@web41613.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <92de6c88050429110476b168bf@mail.gmail.com> On 4/29/05, Shane Stafford wrote: > Hello > > I'm looking for suggestions for a good OpenSource - E-mail, Conference, > Calendar Package. We currently have FirstClass, but may be losing that > system and need to develop another system very quickly. > Suggestion of good experiences for this kind of package are very > appreciated. In a month -- May 31st to be exact -- the SchoolTool project is going to release "SchoolTool Calendar," which is a calendar server for schools. Our current release is SchoolBell, which is a general-purpose calendar server (no school-related features). You can find out more at http://schooltool.org --Tom From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Apr 29 19:11:47 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 15:11:47 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Looking for OpenSource E-mail, Conference, =?ISO-8859-1?Q? Calendar_?= Package In-Reply-To: <92de6c88050429110476b168bf@mail.gmail.com> References: <20050429101216.65407.qmail@web41613.mail.yahoo.com> < > <92de6c88050429110476b168bf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Tom Hoffman on Friday, April 29, 2005 at 2:04 PM +0000 wrote: >In a month -- May 31st to be exact -- the SchoolTool project is going >to release "SchoolTool Calendar," which is a calendar server for >schools. Our current release is SchoolBell, which is a >general-purpose calendar server (no school-related features). You can >find out more at http://schooltool.org > >--Tom That and both of you...Tom Hoffman and Shane Stafford will be at the NE Linux conference so you can hook up and talk. Tom is going to be demoing SchoolTool. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Apr 29 19:15:44 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 15:15:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] IceWM, Gnome & Nautilus FRUSTRATIONS In-Reply-To: <20050428202631.25969.qmail@web52908.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050428202631.25969.qmail@web52908.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: PLEASE fill in the one blank you are not answering....how are these users authenticating.....are you using Samba/LDAP or are you simply creating the same username and password on duplicate machines...or something like that. Then we should be able to help you. I have a totally FC3 network....I export my /home dirs, but we also authenticate to one place...the Samba/LDAP server....which is where all the /home dirs and users live...there are no users on the K12LTSP server...only apps. "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, April 28, 2005 at 4:26 PM +0000 wrote: >What USED to work: >- RedHat8.0 based K12LTSP (3.0.0) server; serving >/home out to other LTSP servers (all RH8). No >problems. >- upgraded the OTHER classroom machines to FC3 based >K12LTSP (4.2.0); everything still worked fine > >THEN >-upgraded the /home server to FC3 (4.2.0); did a >complete FRESH install > >NOW students can only log in at the one classroom >where the /home server is. If they log in at the >other classrooms, they get the IceWM bar at the bottom >of the screen, but NO desktop ICONS and NO file >manager. ALSO, they can't even USE any of the buttons >on the taskbar. Clicking on one results in NOTHING >happening. NO Firefox, no OpenOffice... nada. > >This used to work beautifully with RH8. I bragged >about how little I had to work on this Linux-based >classroom network (all 4 classrooms). NOW, I've spent >weeks trying to make this "new" supposed upgrade work. > AAAAAAARGH! > >Doesn't ANYONE have an ALL FC3 network serving /home >out to other FC3 boxes? Can't someone tell me what is >happening and HOW to fix it? I'm beginning to HATE >Fedora Core 3, and I don't want to. I think it's eye >candy appeal is worth it to convince people about the >validity of Linux. BUT no amount of eye candy is >worth this TROUBLE! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From cwt137 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 29 19:45:09 2005 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 12:45:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Looking for OpenSource E-mail, Conference, Calendar Package In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050429194509.97084.qmail@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> There are three I can think of: Opengroupware - http://www.opengroupware.org is supose to be not only web based, but there is an option so you can use Outlook (for calendering stuff). Open-Exchange - http://mirror.open-xchange.org/ox/EN/community/ The most exciting one is Hula - http://www.hula-project.org (there was a lot of hype arround it at LWE in Feb.) It is sponsored by Novell. Im not sure if they released anything yet but the screenshots look nice. Chris --- Shane Stafford wrote: > Hello > > I'm looking for suggestions for a good OpenSource - > E-mail, Conference, > Calendar Package. We currently have FirstClass, > but may be losing that > system and need to develop another system very > quickly. > Suggestion of good experiences for this kind of > package are very > appreciated. > > thanks > Shane > > > Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT > Director Information Services Glenburn School and > Town > Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer > S & B Consulting > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From tom.hoffman at gmail.com Fri Apr 29 19:58:42 2005 From: tom.hoffman at gmail.com (Tom Hoffman) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 15:58:42 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Looking for OpenSource E-mail, Conference, Calendar Package In-Reply-To: <20050429194509.97084.qmail@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050429194509.97084.qmail@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <92de6c8805042912586af68518@mail.gmail.com> On 4/29/05, Chris Thomas wrote: > The most exciting one is Hula - > http://www.hula-project.org (there was a lot of hype > arround it at LWE in Feb.) It is sponsored by Novell. > Im not sure if they released anything yet but the > screenshots look nice. There is some running code for Hula. Hula is oriented toward setting up and coordinating meetings. SchoolTool's calendaring (at this point) is more oriented toward handling class timetables and reserving resources. --Tom From johnny at msad41.us Fri Apr 29 21:29:37 2005 From: johnny at msad41.us (John T. Leonard) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 17:29:37 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] bulk user delete syntax Message-ID: <1114810177.4272a741d3379@www.msad41.us> Could someone show me a command syntax for deleting users in bulk from the terminal....something that I might be able to "deluser from uid500 to uid999 inclusive"?? TIA for any help... John John T. Leonard Technology Coordinator MSAD No. 41 Penquis Valley HS/MS 48 Penquis Drive Milo, Maine 04463 Ph:207-943-7346 Ext.211 Ph:207-943-5332 Fax:207-943-0962 From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Fri Apr 29 21:29:29 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 22:29:29 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] bulk user delete syntax In-Reply-To: <1114810177.4272a741d3379@www.msad41.us> References: <1114810177.4272a741d3379@www.msad41.us> Message-ID: <4272A739.3070808@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> John T. Leonard wrote: >Could someone show me a command syntax for deleting users in bulk from the >terminal....something that I might be able to "deluser from uid500 to uid999 >inclusive"?? TIA for any help... > >John > >John T. Leonard >Technology Coordinator >MSAD No. 41 >Penquis Valley HS/MS >48 Penquis Drive >Milo, Maine 04463 >Ph:207-943-7346 Ext.211 >Ph:207-943-5332 >Fax:207-943-0962 > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > The latest smbldap-installer has a bulk user del script included Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From johnny at msad41.us Fri Apr 29 21:38:25 2005 From: johnny at msad41.us (John T. Leonard) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 17:38:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] bulk user delete syntax In-Reply-To: <4272A739.3070808@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <1114810177.4272a741d3379@www.msad41.us> <4272A739.3070808@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <1114810705.4272a9516e080@www.msad41.us> Quoting Brian Chivers : > John T. Leonard wrote: > > >Could someone show me a command syntax for deleting users in bulk from the > >terminal....something that I might be able to "deluser from uid500 to > uid999 > >inclusive"?? TIA for any help... > > > >John > The latest smbldap-installer has a bulk user del script included > > Brian > Thanks Brian...I'm heading to it now ;-) Penquis Drive Milo, Maine 04463 Ph:207-943-7346 Ext.211 Ph:207-943-5332 Fax:207-943-0962 From bartelt at hawaiian.net Fri Apr 29 21:42:39 2005 From: bartelt at hawaiian.net (John L Bartelt) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 11:42:39 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Older etherboot roms Message-ID: <200504292156.j3TLuXEX047473@hawaii.hawaiian.net> I have 25 old AMD K7 really thin clients (no hd, cd, or floppy) that I used in a ltsp computing cluster (local apps) several years ago. I want to resurrect the cluster, but have to use a new server. So, I put in a new server with the latest ltsp (4.1.1). The clients all have a Linksys LNE 100TX NIC with bootrom ver 1.4 and etherboot ver 2.5.8. Unfortunately, I couldn't get booted up with these NICs and any of the kernels in the current distribution. (kernel panic, can't mount nfs, etc). Fortunately, I had one newer Linksys NIC with bootrom 1.7 and etherboot 5.0.5 from another project. Using it, everything works fine. So now my question: Do I have 25 orphans? I can't really afford to get new eproms or NICs. I tried the option-129 MOPTS in dhcp with proto=tcp as well as all the nfs sizes I could think of, but no success. I'd appreciate any other suggestions you might have. Thanks, John ------- John L Bartelt bartelt at hawaiian.net From robark at gmail.com Sat Apr 30 05:30:29 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 22:30:29 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] In the news Message-ID: 1) Thin client news: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4496901.stm 2) recent interview with Mark Shuttleworth talking about LTSP and Schooltool: http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/id;1774372754;fp;16;fpid;0 -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From hick518 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 30 15:52:02 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 08:52:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] is dhcp on port 1067 necessary? Message-ID: <20050430155203.9306.qmail@web41610.mail.yahoo.com> At home I've got a 1-nic setup and besides using dhcp for my thin clients, I'd like to have dhcp available to friends who might bring laptops over (running either windows or linux). I'm currently running dhcp from my router on port 67, and dhcp from my ltsp server on port 1067. I tried running dhcp only from my ltsp server, and putting it on port 67. Windows machines were able to use that ok. I guess because they didn't know what to do with the kernel that was sent to them, they just ignored it. But booting a linux machine on this network causes trouble. dhcpd.conf currently has some logic built into it something like this: if the requestor is attempting pxe, then send back a pxe kernel. else, send back an etherboot kernel. I'd like it to be more like this: if the requestor is attempting pxe, then send back a pxe kernel. else if the requestor is attempting etherboot, then send back an etherboot kernel. else, send back no kernel. Is this possible? It's not too important for my home setup, but it may prove very helpful in an installation I am currently planning. Thanks for the help. -Rob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From les at futuresource.com Sat Apr 30 18:17:36 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 13:17:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Looking for OpenSource E-mail, Conference, Calendar Package In-Reply-To: <92de6c8805042912586af68518@mail.gmail.com> References: <20050429194509.97084.qmail@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <92de6c8805042912586af68518@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1114885055.3652.9.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2005-04-29 at 14:58, Tom Hoffman wrote: > Hula is oriented toward setting up and coordinating meetings. > SchoolTool's calendaring (at this point) is more oriented toward > handling class timetables and reserving resources. Is anyone using plans (http://www.planscalendar.com/) or webcalendar (http://www.math.utexas.edu/webcalendar/doc/index.html) or a similar web based schedule/calendar that allows vcal export to drop events into into your evolution/outlook personal calendar? If so, how well do people like them? By the way, the plans site above has a nice page of links to similar products under the 'competition' link. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From ascensiontech at gmail.com Sat Apr 30 19:57:58 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Ascension Tech) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 15:57:58 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] yum problem Message-ID: <9bd3175605043012571f95d9d8@mail.gmail.com> I was updating from a terminal....doe! I didn't realize that was a no no. When it got to the selinux update my session ended. Anyway now I get this when I try to re-run yum update: --> Processing Dependency: openoffice.org = 1.1.3-9.5.0.fc3 for package: openoffice.org-i18n --> Processing Conflict: kernel-smp conflicts selinux-policy-targeted < 1.17.30-2.94 --> Finished Dependency Resolution Error: Missing Dependency: openoffice.org = 1.1.3-9.5.0.fc3 is needed by package openoffice.org-i18n Error: kernel-smp conflicts with selinux-policy-targeted < 1.17.30-2.94 [root at LTSP2 ~]# How do I deal with this? Thanks, Peter From les at futuresource.com Sat Apr 30 20:18:36 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 15:18:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] is dhcp on port 1067 necessary? In-Reply-To: <20050430155203.9306.qmail@web41610.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050430155203.9306.qmail@web41610.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1114892316.3886.18.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2005-04-30 at 10:52, Rob Owens wrote: > I tried running dhcp only from my ltsp server, and > putting it on port 67. Windows machines were able to > use that ok. I guess because they didn't know what to > do with the kernel that was sent to them, they just > ignored it. But booting a linux machine on this > network causes trouble. What kind of trouble? My network offers a kernel to everything and things that don't want to etherboot ignore it, including linux clients using dhcp only for their IP setup. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Sat Apr 30 20:11:46 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 15:11:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] yum problem In-Reply-To: <9bd3175605043012571f95d9d8@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd3175605043012571f95d9d8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 try updating the four problem packages all at once? (listing them as arguments of the command) eg. "yum update openoffice.org openoffice.org-i18n" On Apr 30, 2005, at 2:57 PM, Ascension Tech wrote: > I was updating from a terminal....doe! I didn't realize that was a no > no. When it got to the selinux update my session ended. Anyway now I > get this when I try to re-run yum update: > > --> Processing Dependency: openoffice.org = 1.1.3-9.5.0.fc3 for > package: openoffice.org-i18n > --> Processing Conflict: kernel-smp conflicts selinux-policy-targeted > < 1.17.30-2.94 > --> Finished Dependency Resolution > Error: Missing Dependency: openoffice.org = 1.1.3-9.5.0.fc3 is needed > by package openoffice.org-i18n > Error: kernel-smp conflicts with selinux-policy-targeted < 1.17.30-2.94 > [root at LTSP2 ~]# > > How do I deal with this? > Thanks, > Peter > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkJz5oMACgkQfqZR3ThMfXTulACffnO/fpbglNx2mv6JMPOEdpq6 /LgAnAmqFP8rRdRSXMKDWM6/ZUwRpG6f =z9d2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From phealy at dsta.net Sat Apr 30 21:17:56 2005 From: phealy at dsta.net (Patrick Healy) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 14:17:56 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] New Acrobat Reader Message-ID: <1114895876.13059.6.camel@orion> I recently saw on the Scribus site this announcement that Adobe has released Acrobat Reader 7.0 for linux: http://www.scribus.org.uk/modules.php? op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=93&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0 Can this be packaged as an update to k12ltsp? Here's Adobe's release announcement: http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/pressroom/pressreleases/200504/041205LINUX.html Thanks -- Pat Healy Palm Desert High School -- Patrick Healy