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Re: [K12OSN] Given this situation, why bother continue with LTSP?


Doug Simpson
Technology Specialist
DeQueen Public Schools
DeQueen, AR 71832
simpsond leopards k12 ar us
Tux for President!

On Wed, 20 Apr 2005, The Prof wrote:

> One more thing I forgot to add:
> We are in the design and about to start building a new church/school
> center on new land near to us. (I had sent an email about this before
> about helping design a new school.)  Ideally it would be great to have
> the 2 building's networked together seamlessly. Does this impact each
> the decision one way or another?
> thanks,
> Joseph
> On 4/20/05, The Prof <joseph bishay gmail com> wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > Thank you for the prompt replies.  I'd like to continue the
> > conversation by addressing some concerns which have been raised, as
> > well as providing some more information.
> > 
> > In regards to the person doing the donating - the hardware must be
> > given to a non-profit organization, and we are not allowed to re-sell
> > the licenses. The hardware is coming from one place and it doesn't
> > have any OS on them.  The number of software licenses available is
> > very high so we'll never run out, and it includes ALL microsoft
> > products.  I do not think there is a time-limit, so to speak, for
> > these licenses, but I do not know.  The person doing the donating
> > wants to help us out very much, and doesn't have an agenda of any
> > sort. He has been trained extensively as a MSCE and other
> > microsoft-related things, so he does know it all very well, but he's
> > not going to gain anything one way or another.
> > 
> > In regards to the future upgrade of these donated machines - I would
> > argue that the turn-over rate of computers in a church or elementary
> > school is much slower than in a company - we were, until 1.5 years
> > ago, running pentium 1 windows 98 machines on a WinNT server a little
> > slowly, but no problem. Only reason we had to ditch that system was
> > because our NT server died a horrible, smokey death and we wouldn't
> > have been able to afford to upgrade all the clients to XP.  I think
> > that if we had a lab of pentium 4 machines and a dual Xenon SCSI
> > machine as the server (that's the type of hardware he can get us) that
> > it would last us for a long, long time.
> > 
> > In regards to the spyware situation - doesn't microsoft now have
> > anti-spyware software? If so, that would be included as part of the
> > donation.  For the viruses, I'd assume that we'd have to install a
> > server-based antivirus program to take care of that, along with
> > locking down the clients a bit. That does require more work and admin,
> > which brings me to the next point...
> > 
> > Administration:  Currently with a linux lab I am the only one who can
> > administer it because no one knows how or is interested in this
> > 'new-fangled stuff'. If it was a Windows lab, that responsiblity could
> > be spread out among at least a few people who have this ability,
> > lightening my load. In addition, most of the admin/setup/etc. is done
> > for free as we volunteer our time.  So it isn't like we'd cost more
> > because of the increased work to them :)
> > 
> > Learning a word-processor vs. learning MS WORD: This is an interesting
> > argument. Since many people are educators here, you are approaching it
> > differently than the parents/admin staff. They are looking at it from
> > a certain perspective.  IE: I use MS at work. I use MS at home. My
> > child in university uses MS and her prof uses MS in his lectures. My
> > resume says that I know MS Office. Where does Linux fix in?  Bank
> > website X and company website Y say that I need to get IE to make it
> > work.  When I walk into BestBuy or open the paper I see the computers
> > are being sold with Windows XP. So why are you forcing this
> > non-Windows stuff on me? So what if it is less administration? Why do
> > I care?  That's the dilemma.
> > 
> > As sad as it is to say, MANY people do not view education and school
> > as a way to increase their child's capability of thought, but as a way
> > to get a professional high-paying job. And I'm not about to take on
> > the ideology of an entire culture. :)
> > 
> > Joseph
> >
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