From sbarar at gmail.com Thu Dec 1 01:32:06 2005 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 07:02:06 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Software Cross Reference Matrix In-Reply-To: <20051130161124.M21632@winonacotter.org> References: <20051130161124.M21632@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <774593a20511301732v1a4380e6s547d97e44a943d35@mail.gmail.com> On 11/30/05, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I know I have seen posts in the past here regarding a cross reference matrix > with open source alternatives compared to popular Mac/Windows applications, > but cannot find the darn thing now. http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Linux_software_equivalent_to_Windows_software -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From ericbrown at mi-spot.com Thu Dec 1 01:42:25 2005 From: ericbrown at mi-spot.com (Eric Brown) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:42:25 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT:ipchains, firewalls, nat, forwarding Message-ID: <200512010145.jB11jEU11984@www.mi-spot.com> I call this OT because it's not on a K12LTSP installation. I chose not to install a firewall on my K12LTSP installation to simplify matters, since our district is "supposed" to handle all that. I never had any trouble with the terminal server forwarding things. I just recieved another server where the vendor installed Fedora core 4 with the "Install everything" option, as well as installing a firewall. THis machine is going to act as a gateway machine and a file server for a bunch of XP machines. Thanks to a question I asked this group a few months ago, I managed to get DHCP running. With some googleing, I can ping an external IP from one of the XP machines. I would like to allow dns and web access, but I want to kill any MSN access and pretty much anything else. So I'm split. I could ease my headach and turn off the firewall. Would the fileserver then allow all traffic through it? OR (and I've been searching on this all day), how can I turn it on to allow port s 53 and 80 through the file server. Better yet, can anyone point me to a very *simple* explanation of how to do this in general (give a man a fish...). All references I could find were too lengthy or strictly involved ppp which isn't being used here. If it helps, eth0 is to the external network, eth1 is for my small internal network. Thanks in advance. Eric Brown From ckjohnson at gwi.net Thu Dec 1 02:21:06 2005 From: ckjohnson at gwi.net (Christopher K. Johnson) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:21:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT:ipchains, firewalls, nat, forwarding In-Reply-To: <200512010145.jB11jEU11984@www.mi-spot.com> References: <200512010145.jB11jEU11984@www.mi-spot.com> Message-ID: <438E5E12.706@gwi.net> Actually being FC4 it would use iptables. Unless a customized firewall script was used, the configuration would be found at /etc/sysconfig/iptables and /etc/sysconfig/iptables-config If you can send me a copy of those off-list I can tell you whether it is nat hiding your internal network, and what is blocked or permitted for ports. The output of the command: iptables -vnL could be helpful to verify the current iptables rules as well. From gumprechtm at msad3.org Thu Dec 1 11:57:43 2005 From: gumprechtm at msad3.org (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 06:57:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] NFS problem with HP vectra machine In-Reply-To: <9bd317560511301137q28d19598qcd5abd17e5873b93@mail.gmail.com> References: <200511300607.jAU66wxT012039@mx2.redhat.com> <438D8DE7.4000701@msad3.org> <9bd317560511301137q28d19598qcd5abd17e5873b93@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <438EE537.6070100@msad3.org> I tried a different switch(different manufacturer) to help solve my problem. Also installing the latest firmware to the switch (if that is possible) can relieve quirky errrors. Mark Peter Hartmann wrote: >Even with the fixes I still get piviot root problems. But they go >away after I reboot the local switch. I guess it's flaky. FWIW. > > >Peter > >On 11/30/05, Mark Gumprecht wrote: > > >>Are you Pxe or ethernet? Here's the link to the doc I used, It is on the >>ltsp site. >>http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/NFS#NFS_Server_not_responding >>It has both. I did have problems with a managed gig switch that had the >>capabilities to shut off the managed side. I shut the managed side down >>and it worked fine. Also, I had someone make a bunch of cables that were >>straight through, no crossed pair, that screwed me for a while. >>HTH >>Mark >> >>info wrote: >> >> >> >>>hello, >>>I am getting the NFS mount problem with HP-vetra p200 machines, >>>the process gets very slow while mounting NFs file it just stops at >>>doing pivot root. >>>I passed the parameters metinoned by Jim in ealier mails , but the issue >>>remains same. >>>How to check whether the PCI solt is proper or not ? >>>If i try any other machine , it works perfect , but with HP-vectra 200 >>>series 2 it gives me this error. >>> >>>Help or directiones in this will be apprecaited >>> >>>Regards >>>K.dinesh >>> >>>*********************************************************************** >>>In a World Without Fences Who Needs GATES ? >>>*********************************************************************** >>>This message and any attached files will have been checked with virus >>>detection software before transmission. However, recipients must carry >>>out their own virus checks before opening any attachment. Company >>>accepts no liability for any loss or damage, which may be caused by >>>software viruses. >>>*********************************************************************** >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>-- >>Mark Gumprecht >>Data Systems Specialist >>MSAD3 >>Unity, ME >>gumprechtm at msad3.org >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msad3.org From john at coronet.co.uk Thu Dec 1 17:09:59 2005 From: john at coronet.co.uk (John Ingleby) Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 17:09:59 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Software Cross Reference Matrix In-Reply-To: <20051201170043.AAF59744D7@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20051201170043.AAF59744D7@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1133456999.7326.21.camel@zeus.house.coronet.net> > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:11:09 -0600 > From: "Jim Kronebusch" > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Software Cross Reference Matrix > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Message-ID: <20051130191020.M33944 at winonacotter.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:14:59 -0600, Petre Scheie wrote > > Googling for 'windows applications linux equivalent' turned up these: > > > > > http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Linux_software_equivalent_to_Windows_software > > > > http://www.linux.ie/newusers/alternatives.php > > > > http://web.mit.edu/ist/topics/linux/equivalents.html > > > > Petre > > Thanks Petre, I was thinking of one in particular that was a little more > education centric and also had some popular mac programs on it. This will at > least give me a start. Jim, We've been collecting this information from people in education for a while on our wiki at http://tinyurl.com/5pojy Sorry, all the comparisons are vs. Windows products. John Ingleby ************ Webmaster - www.schoolforge.org.uk From schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us Thu Dec 1 17:48:50 2005 From: schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us (James P Schwankl) Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 12:48:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Software Cross Reference Matrix Message-ID: <20051201174850.cc9424c7@webmail.chatham.k12.nc.us> On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:14:59 -0600, Petre Scheie wrote > Googling for 'windows applications linux equivalent' turned up these: > > http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Linux_software_equivalent_to_Windows_software > > http://www.linux.ie/newusers/alternatives.php > > http://web.mit.edu/ist/topics/linux/equivalents.html > > Petre Here are a couple more: http://gnuwin.epfl.ch/apps/en/bestlist.html http://osswin.sourceforge.net/ http://www.theopencd.org/ Peace, Jimmy +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Always proofread carefully to see if you any words out. ****This Message was sent through the Chatham County Schools E-Mail Server**** All e-mail correspondence to and from this address is subject to the North Carolina Public Records Law, which may result in monitoring and disclosure to third parties, including law enforcement. From nbs at sonic.net Thu Dec 1 18:13:02 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 10:13:02 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Software Cross Reference Matrix In-Reply-To: <1133456999.7326.21.camel@zeus.house.coronet.net> References: <20051201170043.AAF59744D7@hormel.redhat.com> <1133456999.7326.21.camel@zeus.house.coronet.net> Message-ID: <20051201181302.GC6355@sonic.net> On Thu, Dec 01, 2005 at 05:09:59PM +0000, John Ingleby wrote: > We've been collecting this information from people in education for a > while on our wiki at http://tinyurl.com/5pojy > > Sorry, all the comparisons are vs. Windows products. Is it a public Wiki? If so, then perhaps the Mac folks can dig in there and add Mac comparisons, too! -- -bill! bill at newbreedsoftware.com http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/ From gkw-x at shaw.ca Thu Dec 1 21:19:31 2005 From: gkw-x at shaw.ca (gKw-X) Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 13:19:31 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Switches Message-ID: <438F68E3.6020307@shaw.ca> Hello, The school has given me the go-ahead to upgrade them to 1gig switches. What I would like to do is have one small 1gig switch, with maybe 5-8 ports on it. The server will go into that, then each other port will go out to switches scattered around the school. Each of THOSE switches will have the single incoming 1gig port and a number of 100meg ports. The problem is I have no idea where to buy such hardware, or what the proper terminology (Line speed? Managed/unmanaged?) and brands are. Someone suggested Dell but it seems very pricy. The local shop where I normally get my stuff has some D-Link and Linksys switches with the right ports, for significantly cheaper... But will I regret such a purchase? Are the ones that Dell sells somehow better (line speed, managed/unmanaged, etc)? I warned them such switches could cost up to $400 and they cringed, but agreed it was necessary. Just to give you an idea of numbers, currently they have 18 computers in the lab and another 8 or so in the library. Eventually they will likely have another 10 upstairs, and possibly more in the library. Nothing massive, but they want it to run really smoothly to keep the parents happy. Oh and we're located in Vancouver, BC, Canada in case anyone knows of any local places that carry the right equipment. Thank you muchly! From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Dec 1 22:02:05 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 14:02:05 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Switches In-Reply-To: <438F68E3.6020307@shaw.ca> References: <438F68E3.6020307@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <438F72DD.8070306@paasda.org> amer.com inexpensive and work great in my 2 yrs deal'n with them. --Huck gKw-X wrote: > Hello, > > The school has given me the go-ahead to upgrade them to 1gig switches. > What I would like to do is have one small 1gig switch, with maybe 5-8 > ports on it. The server will go into that, then each other port will go > out to switches scattered around the school. Each of THOSE switches will > have the single incoming 1gig port and a number of 100meg ports. > > The problem is I have no idea where to buy such hardware, or what the > proper terminology (Line speed? Managed/unmanaged?) and brands are. > Someone suggested Dell but it seems very pricy. The local shop where I > normally get my stuff has some D-Link and Linksys switches with the > right ports, for significantly cheaper... But will I regret such a > purchase? Are the ones that Dell sells somehow better (line speed, > managed/unmanaged, etc)? I warned them such switches could cost up to > $400 and they cringed, but agreed it was necessary. > > Just to give you an idea of numbers, currently they have 18 computers in > the lab and another 8 or so in the library. Eventually they will likely > have another 10 upstairs, and possibly more in the library. Nothing > massive, but they want it to run really smoothly to keep the parents happy. > > Oh and we're located in Vancouver, BC, Canada in case anyone knows of > any local places that carry the right equipment. > > Thank you muchly! > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From david at suwannee.k12.fl.us Thu Dec 1 23:46:15 2005 From: david at suwannee.k12.fl.us (David Dees) Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 18:46:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Switches In-Reply-To: <438F68E3.6020307@shaw.ca> References: <438F68E3.6020307@shaw.ca> Message-ID: I'll second Amer.com....until 6 months ago we were a total Cisco district. I got tired of the price and warranty...found out about amer.com...tried a few and now I'm putting them in the new school we are building. David Dees IT Director Suwannee County Schools 702 2nd Street NW Live Oak, FL 32064 (386) 364-2148 david at suwannee.k12.fl.us From les at futuresource.com Fri Dec 2 02:31:06 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 20:31:06 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Switches In-Reply-To: <438F68E3.6020307@shaw.ca> References: <438F68E3.6020307@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <1133490665.4450.49.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2005-12-01 at 15:19, gKw-X wrote: > Just to give you an idea of numbers, currently they have 18 computers in > the lab and another 8 or so in the library. Eventually they will likely > have another 10 upstairs, and possibly more in the library. Nothing > massive, but they want it to run really smoothly to keep the parents happy. For something that size you could probably get by daisy-chaining the gig ports of 2/24 switches with the server at one end of the run. You aren't likely to see any performance difference between managed and unmanaged switches. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From gkw-x at shaw.ca Fri Dec 2 02:39:01 2005 From: gkw-x at shaw.ca (gKw-X) Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 18:39:01 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Switches In-Reply-To: <1133490665.4450.49.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <438F68E3.6020307@shaw.ca> <1133490665.4450.49.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <438FB3C5.8010607@shaw.ca> That was my original plan but I think it might get messy, especially if they plan to expand upstairs, as there would have to be several outgoing 1000meg cables from the lab. I noticed managed switches are significantly more... I think I'll go with the amer.com unmanaged ones, in total it will only be about $450 or so to wire the place, and that should keep them going for quite a while. Thanks guys! Les Mikesell wrote: > On Thu, 2005-12-01 at 15:19, gKw-X wrote: > > >>Just to give you an idea of numbers, currently they have 18 computers in >>the lab and another 8 or so in the library. Eventually they will likely >>have another 10 upstairs, and possibly more in the library. Nothing >>massive, but they want it to run really smoothly to keep the parents happy. > > > For something that size you could probably get by daisy-chaining > the gig ports of 2/24 switches with the server at one end of > the run. You aren't likely to see any performance difference > between managed and unmanaged switches. > From lists at misato.us Fri Dec 2 03:44:17 2005 From: lists at misato.us (Jason Straw) Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 22:44:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Switches In-Reply-To: <438FB3C5.8010607@shaw.ca> References: <438F68E3.6020307@shaw.ca> <1133490665.4450.49.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <438FB3C5.8010607@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <438FC311.8020104@misato.us> My suggestion is that if you go above 2 24 port switches... buy a 8 port 1000bt switch and link all the 100s to the 1000. my dorm building here is on 5 100s with 1000 daisychain... but it was half duplex and things got ugly in a hurry. they had to go back and implement a 1000bt switch above it. gKw-X wrote: > That was my original plan but I think it might get messy, especially > if they plan to expand upstairs, as there would have to be several > outgoing 1000meg cables from the lab. I noticed managed switches are > significantly more... I think I'll go with the amer.com unmanaged > ones, in total it will only be about $450 or so to wire the place, and > that should keep them going for quite a while. > > Thanks guys! > > Les Mikesell wrote: > >> On Thu, 2005-12-01 at 15:19, gKw-X wrote: >> >> >>> Just to give you an idea of numbers, currently they have 18 >>> computers in the lab and another 8 or so in the library. Eventually >>> they will likely have another 10 upstairs, and possibly more in the >>> library. Nothing massive, but they want it to run really smoothly to >>> keep the parents happy. >> >> >> >> For something that size you could probably get by daisy-chaining >> the gig ports of 2/24 switches with the server at one end of >> the run. You aren't likely to see any performance difference >> between managed and unmanaged switches. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > !DSPAM:3207,438fc31363909761041575! From les at futuresource.com Fri Dec 2 04:20:19 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 22:20:19 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Switches In-Reply-To: <438FC311.8020104@misato.us> References: <438F68E3.6020307@shaw.ca> <1133490665.4450.49.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <438FB3C5.8010607@shaw.ca> <438FC311.8020104@misato.us> Message-ID: <1133497218.4450.55.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2005-12-01 at 21:44, Jason Straw wrote: > My suggestion is that if you go above 2 24 port switches... buy a 8 port > 1000bt switch and link all the 100s to the 1000. my dorm building here > is on 5 100s with 1000 daisychain... but it was half duplex and things > got ugly in a hurry. they had to go back and implement a 1000bt switch > above it. That's a different case where each end point might be connected to a different place. With a single server connected on a single gig port and everything else talking to that server, the daisy-chained links won't be a bottleneck. But there may be other reasons to want a star layout instead. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From lists at misato.us Fri Dec 2 04:25:47 2005 From: lists at misato.us (Jason Straw) Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 23:25:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Switches In-Reply-To: <1133497218.4450.55.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <438F68E3.6020307@shaw.ca> <1133490665.4450.49.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <438FB3C5.8010607@shaw.ca> <438FC311.8020104@misato.us> <1133497218.4450.55.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <438FCCCB.7050108@misato.us> Les Mikesell wrote: >On Thu, 2005-12-01 at 21:44, Jason Straw wrote: > > >>My suggestion is that if you go above 2 24 port switches... buy a 8 port >>1000bt switch and link all the 100s to the 1000. my dorm building here >>is on 5 100s with 1000 daisychain... but it was half duplex and things >>got ugly in a hurry. they had to go back and implement a 1000bt switch >>above it. >> >> > >That's a different case where each end point might be connected to >a different place. With a single server connected on a single >gig port and everything else talking to that server, the >daisy-chained links won't be a bottleneck. But there may be >other reasons to want a star layout instead. > > > nope... 95%+ of generated traffic is upstream... The more connections generated, the worse the switches do. You gain a lot of sanity by running a star, and you can _ensure Full Duplex_. Jason !DSPAM:3207,438fcccc63901350425987! From les at futuresource.com Fri Dec 2 04:36:42 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 22:36:42 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Switches In-Reply-To: <438FCCCB.7050108@misato.us> References: <438F68E3.6020307@shaw.ca> <1133490665.4450.49.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <438FB3C5.8010607@shaw.ca> <438FC311.8020104@misato.us> <1133497218.4450.55.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <438FCCCB.7050108@misato.us> Message-ID: <1133498201.4450.64.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2005-12-01 at 22:25, Jason Straw wrote: > nope... 95%+ of generated traffic is upstream... If the traffic all has to traverse a single link at any point, you won't gain anything by distributing it elsewhere. Your problem must have been the half duplex or worse, a mismatch between switches. > The more connections generated, the worse the switches do. You gain a > lot of sanity by running a star, and you can _ensure Full Duplex_. The duplex setting is negotiated separately between each pair of connected ports. I don't see how the overall topology would affect that, other than a bad connection affecting fewer end points. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From gkw-x at shaw.ca Fri Dec 2 05:04:58 2005 From: gkw-x at shaw.ca (gKw-X) Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 21:04:58 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Switches In-Reply-To: <438FC311.8020104@misato.us> References: <438F68E3.6020307@shaw.ca> <1133490665.4450.49.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <438FB3C5.8010607@shaw.ca> <438FC311.8020104@misato.us> Message-ID: <438FD5FA.9010904@shaw.ca> Well here's what I'm going to do... From amer.com: SGD8 - 8 1000meg ports 2xSR24G2 - 2 1000meg ports, 24 100meg ports So the server will go into the SGD8. Then a line will go out of that into each of the two SR24G2 - one right in the lab and one in the library. Then later on I can get a third SR24G2 for the LAC room, and still have a few ports left on the SGD8 to go to classrooms, though I'm not sure exactly how that will work. Does that sound like a good idea? It's $430USD for that hardware. I'm a little worried about whether it's the right thing for the school. Do you guys think that switching to this setup will alleviate a huge amount of the traffic problems they're having? I think the current setup is really bad. The server puts out 1000megs but it goes right into a 100meg port... Then all the clients come out of that, plus another line goes from there to the library, and is further split to all the PCs in there. I havn't seen it when students are in there but the teachers say it is barely useable when they're all logged in, and some can't even boot up while the network is in heavy use. Jason Straw wrote: > My suggestion is that if you go above 2 24 port switches... buy a 8 port > 1000bt switch and link all the 100s to the 1000. my dorm building here > is on 5 100s with 1000 daisychain... but it was half duplex and things > got ugly in a hurry. they had to go back and implement a 1000bt switch > above it. > > gKw-X wrote: > > >>That was my original plan but I think it might get messy, especially >>if they plan to expand upstairs, as there would have to be several >>outgoing 1000meg cables from the lab. I noticed managed switches are >>significantly more... I think I'll go with the amer.com unmanaged >>ones, in total it will only be about $450 or so to wire the place, and >>that should keep them going for quite a while. >> >>Thanks guys! >> >>Les Mikesell wrote: >> >> >>>On Thu, 2005-12-01 at 15:19, gKw-X wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>Just to give you an idea of numbers, currently they have 18 >>>>computers in the lab and another 8 or so in the library. Eventually >>>>they will likely have another 10 upstairs, and possibly more in the >>>>library. Nothing massive, but they want it to run really smoothly to >>>>keep the parents happy. >>> >>> >>> >>>For something that size you could probably get by daisy-chaining >>>the gig ports of 2/24 switches with the server at one end of >>>the run. You aren't likely to see any performance difference >>>between managed and unmanaged switches. >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> >> > > > !DSPAM:3207,438fc31363909761041575! > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From info at proex-india.com Fri Dec 2 06:52:00 2005 From: info at proex-india.com (info) Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 12:22:00 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] re: still NFS problem with HP vectra machine Message-ID: <200512020745.jB27j6K8002500@mx2.redhat.com> Thank you all for the quick response, I hv tried different switches but the result is same, it cannot go beyond doing pivot _root Then i tried a 10/100 Hub on that it functioned perfectly , but the problem is when i connect multiple users the response is very slow in GUI at user level. How to solve this strange problem Regards K.Dinesh *********************************************************************** In a World Without Fences Who Needs GATES ? *********************************************************************** This message and any attached files will have been checked with virus detection software before transmission. However, recipients must carry out their own virus checks before opening any attachment. Company accepts no liability for any loss or damage, which may be caused by software viruses. *********************************************************************** -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.10/190 - Release Date: 12/1/05 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.10/190 - Release Date: 12/1/05 From gumprechtm at msad3.org Fri Dec 2 12:21:18 2005 From: gumprechtm at msad3.org (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 07:21:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] re: still NFS problem with HP vectra machine In-Reply-To: <200512020745.jB27j6K8002500@mx2.redhat.com> References: <200512020745.jB27j6K8002500@mx2.redhat.com> Message-ID: <43903C3E.4040409@msad3.org> Did you cut and paste the dhcp.conf change or type it in by hand? If you cut and pasted, try putting it in by hand and see what happens. Sometimes, not all the times, hidden formatting charators get put in, real pain when it looks like it worked but does not. HTH Mark info wrote: >Thank you all for the quick response, >I hv tried different switches but the result is same, it cannot go >beyond doing pivot _root > >Then i tried a 10/100 Hub on that it functioned perfectly , but the >problem is when i connect multiple users the response is very slow in >GUI at user level. > >How to solve this strange problem > >Regards >K.Dinesh >*********************************************************************** >In a World Without Fences Who Needs GATES ? >*********************************************************************** >This message and any attached files will have been checked with virus >detection software before transmission. However, recipients must carry >out their own virus checks before opening any attachment. Company >accepts no liability for any loss or damage, which may be caused by >software viruses. >*********************************************************************** > > > > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msad3.org From jritchie at bible.edu Fri Dec 2 13:47:55 2005 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Ritchie, Josiah S.) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 08:47:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Switches Message-ID: <6EB812DA48A19740BE7CD3BC07C792FAA1C4FF@rebekah.bible.edu> A star makes an upgrade to 10Gig between the server and the main 1G switch a lot easier to implements. Just switch out one switch. You may never need it, but maybe you will. I could also picture a scenario where you would have multiple 1G servers (for redundancy or shares on another server or whatever) plugged into a switch with a 10G connection between this switch and the switch that stars out to your clients. In either of those scenarios you could get away with 1G between the devices, but it could be restrictive/a bottle-neck. JSR/ > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Les Mikesell > Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 11:37 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Switches > > On Thu, 2005-12-01 at 22:25, Jason Straw wrote: > > > nope... 95%+ of generated traffic is upstream... > > If the traffic all has to traverse a single link at > any point, you won't gain anything by distributing > it elsewhere. Your problem must have been the half > duplex or worse, a mismatch between switches. > > > The more connections generated, the worse the switches do. You gain a > > lot of sanity by running a star, and you can _ensure Full Duplex_. > > The duplex setting is negotiated separately between each pair > of connected ports. I don't see how the overall topology > would affect that, other than a bad connection affecting > fewer end points. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Dec 2 14:19:22 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 09:19:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Switches In-Reply-To: <438F72DD.8070306@paasda.org> References: <438F68E3.6020307@shaw.ca> <438F72DD.8070306@paasda.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, December 01, 2005 at 5:02 PM +0000 wrote: >amer.com > >inexpensive and work great in my 2 yrs deal'n with them. > >--Huck Ditto...have a whole school full of 'em David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Dec 2 14:23:20 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 09:23:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Switches In-Reply-To: <438FD5FA.9010904@shaw.ca> References: <438F68E3.6020307@shaw.ca> < > <1133490665.4450.49.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> < > <438FB3C5.8010607@shaw.ca> <438FC311.8020104@misato.us> <438FD5FA.9010904@shaw.ca> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, December 02, 2005 at 12:04 AM +0000 wrote: >SGD8 - 8 1000meg ports >2xSR24G2 - 2 1000meg ports, 24 100meg ports SR24G2's ROCK.....I have a bunch of 'em Amer has a new 24 port gig switch for $229 . I think it's the SGR24 David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Fri Dec 2 14:39:38 2005 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:39:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Audio Converter Message-ID: <20051202093938.wtt3uqwhes0gw4ow@neatmail.unh.edu> All, I am looking for Linux software that will convert .ogg and .wav audio files into .mp3 format. I'm looked around and can't seem to find any. I can find converters that take .ogg and convert them into .wav and vice versa but nothing that will convert .ogg and .wav into .mp3. We are trying something new in our district and need the compression of quality of .mp3 format. Thanks in advance. -Paul Paul VanGundy Information Technology Director Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us -- From timothy.hart at gmail.com Fri Dec 2 14:52:24 2005 From: timothy.hart at gmail.com (Timothy Hart) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:52:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Would like feedback...(OS and Education Mag) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <464c38cc0512020652g756ec45crb88767871d9c90c6@mail.gmail.com> Hello all, I would have replied sooner, but I have been stuck with a viral thing, and lets just say I have been sleeping on the bathroom floor the last couple of days. I am also hoping to get this off the ground very soon. Maybe the best thing for a project such as this would be small CMS. We could easily set up multiple ways to submit content. Discussion boards as well. To give you an idea of what I am thinking about, take a look at this site. http://portfolio.umaine.edu/~hartt/drupal/ That is just what I had in mind. This isn't supposed to be a live site, just an idea. If you like it, I can put something like it on a more permenant server at the University of Maine (plenty of bandwidth). I like the idea of a wiki as well. I like Dave's idea of DokuWiki. Either way I think we need to have a discussion board where we pose the nitty gritty of how we want this to unfold. We may not want to flood this list with this dicussion. Take a look at that site and let's keep this ball rolling. On 11/30/05, David Trask wrote: > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Monday, November 28, 2005 at 8:36 PM +0000 wrote: > >[Dave T. - Any chance we could devote some time at one of the NELS > >gatherings to push forward such an effort?] > > Sure, but I'm hoping it'll be long underway by then....I mentioned it > several times today at the McAuliffe conference....I did 4 presentations > today. Two on K12LTSP and Linux in Ed in general.....one on > Ubuntu.....and a Skype tele-conference/presentation with Jon "Maddog" Hall > who happened to be in Brazil today.....that, I have to admit, was pretty > cool. Essentially Maddog and I had a conversation in front of a full > session (we ran out of chairs) and he did an OpenOffice Impress > presentation (that I controlled on my end) to the audience. Maddog is a > great guy and a Linux legend (pres of Linux International and close friend > to Linus)....I've met him many times and had the opportunity to get to > know him and talk at length with him last summer at our NELS conference. > (He was there the entire 3 days) The facts and so forth that he presents > in his talks...never cease to amaze me. > > The reception for a "Tux Mag" style publication for education was VERY > positive. We need to move on this idea. One of the best ways to get > started would be to post a wiki where the raw text of the submissions > could begin. I'll see if I can't throw up a MoinMoin or a Dokuwiki > sometime tomorrow and we can play. (not a big fan of MediaWiki....so > don't ask.....I love Twiki, but hate the install.....Dokuwiki is the > easiest tro install and most newbie friendly....MoinMoin is the most > aesthetically pleasing.....I can put up both and we can pick one after > playing. > > Tim....if you'd rather host it....go for it. (but Mediawiki ain't for > newbies...too cryptic in its formatting syntax stuff) MoinMoin is easy to > set up and Dokuwiki is a cinch....(simply unpack it in the directory you > want it to live in) > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From timothy.hart at gmail.com Fri Dec 2 15:00:34 2005 From: timothy.hart at gmail.com (Timothy Hart) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 10:00:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Speaking of Tux... Message-ID: <464c38cc0512020700g5b9fb284ve7297eec97912a3a@mail.gmail.com> Speaking of Tux Magazine. The December issues just came out for those who care. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ascensiontech at gmail.com Fri Dec 2 15:25:33 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 10:25:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Audio Converter In-Reply-To: <20051202093938.wtt3uqwhes0gw4ow@neatmail.unh.edu> References: <20051202093938.wtt3uqwhes0gw4ow@neatmail.unh.edu> Message-ID: <9bd317560512020725v64c419a8ldb223b646509d616@mail.gmail.com> I don't have a program to suggest unfortunately. If I'm not mistaken any program that would do such a thing would, behind the scenes, actually be converting ogg to uncompressed waves to mp3 anyway. Maybe you should just be looking for a converter that has batch processing to make your life easier. Peter On 12/2/05, Paul VanGundy wrote: > All, > > I am looking for Linux software that will convert .ogg and .wav audio > files into .mp3 format. I'm looked around and can't seem to find any. I > can find converters that take .ogg and convert them into .wav and vice > versa but nothing that will convert .ogg and .wav into .mp3. > > We are trying something new in our district and need the compression of > quality of .mp3 format. Thanks in advance. > > -Paul > > Paul VanGundy > Information Technology Director > Epping High School > Epping Middle School > P: 603.679.5472 > F: 603.679.2966 > vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us -- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri Dec 2 15:34:13 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 10:34:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Audio Converter In-Reply-To: <20051202093938.wtt3uqwhes0gw4ow@neatmail.unh.edu> References: <20051202093938.wtt3uqwhes0gw4ow@neatmail.unh.edu> Message-ID: <794F449A-9584-4C0F-9BDE-94EB44F33C8D@inlandlakes.org> On Dec 2, 2005, at 9:39 AM, Paul VanGundy wrote: > I'm looked around and can't seem to find any. It isnt' gui, and can be a chore to install (you can find rpms though, if you look) -- but mencoder will pretty much convert anything to anything. It's not fun to do batch encoding with, but it'll do the job in pinch if you need it to. It also handles video, which is what I tend to use it for. -Shawn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From henryhartley at westat.com Fri Dec 2 15:37:37 2005 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 10:37:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Audio Converter Message-ID: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0109EA73@MAILBE2.westat.com> On Friday, December 02, 2005 9:40 AM Paul VanGundy said: >> >> I am looking for Linux software that will convert .ogg and .wav >> audio files into .mp3 format. I'm looked around and can't seem >> to find any. I can find converters that take .ogg and convert >> them into .wav and vice versa but nothing that will convert .ogg >> and .wav into .mp3. >> >> We are trying something new in our district and need the >> compression of quality of .mp3 format. Thanks in advance. In my experience, with both stereo music and mono speech audio, .ogg files are smaller and have better fidelity than the equivalent .mp3 file. With music, I use high sample and bit rates so the quality differences are not that great. For this, both .ogg and .mp3 are more than adequate (although I use .ogg by preference). With mono speech, I compress more and this makes the difference more noticeable. Specifically, converting a 40 minute speech (using 48kbps bit rate) gives me .mp3 and .ogg files in the 16 to 20 MB range, with .ogg being about 5% smaller. The sound quality, however, it markedly better in the .ogg file. I make both because not everyone knows what to do with .ogg but I always recommend it over the .mp3. On the other hand, I have a CD player in my car that plays .mp3 but not .ogg. Oh well. As for encoding, you will do MUCH better if you convert .wav files to .mp3. Both .mp3 and .ogg are lossy formats. That means they achieve much of the compression by throwing out bits of the original. Since they don't necessarily throw out the same bits, if you convert from one to the other, you'd be getting the worst of each. Instead, convert from .wav to each separately. As for tools: http://lame.sourceforge.net/ http://nostatic.org/grip/ -- Henry From les at futuresource.com Fri Dec 2 15:50:54 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 09:50:54 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Audio Converter In-Reply-To: <9bd317560512020725v64c419a8ldb223b646509d616@mail.gmail.com> References: <20051202093938.wtt3uqwhes0gw4ow@neatmail.unh.edu> <9bd317560512020725v64c419a8ldb223b646509d616@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1133538654.30949.12.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2005-12-02 at 09:25, Peter Hartmann wrote: > I don't have a program to suggest unfortunately. If I'm not mistaken > any program that would do such a thing would, behind the scenes, > actually be converting ogg to uncompressed waves to mp3 anyway. > Maybe you should just be looking for a converter that has batch > processing to make your life easier. sox is the swiss-army-knife of audio conversion but unfortunately the RedHat/Fedora versions have mp3 capability removed and livna doesn't carry it. http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=84536 has some info about rebuilding the FC4 version with mp3 support. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us Fri Dec 2 16:24:24 2005 From: dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 08:24:24 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Audio Converter In-Reply-To: <1133538654.30949.12.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <20051202093938.wtt3uqwhes0gw4ow@neatmail.unh.edu> <9bd317560512020725v64c419a8ldb223b646509d616@mail.gmail.com> <1133538654.30949.12.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <43907538.9020004@mesd.k12.or.us> Les Mikesell wrote: > sox is the swiss-army-knife of audio conversion but unfortunately > the RedHat/Fedora versions have mp3 capability removed and livna > doesn't carry it. > http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=84536 > has some info about rebuilding the FC4 version with mp3 support. Gstreamer has some nice capabilities also. You'd need the gstreamer-plugins-mp3 rpm from livna.org. # gst-launch filesrc location=/tmp/file.ogg ! lame ! filesink \ location=/tmp/file.mp3 -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Dec 2 17:03:46 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 12:03:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] A wiki for submitting articles for the New "The Open Source Educator" Message-ID: In response to what we've been discussing about creating an online magazine similar to TuxMag....I have posted a temporary wiki for you to submit articles for a trial issue (trial meaning...let's see if we can get this off the ground) Once we get a sample issue out...we can get more organized and become a project. http://www.vcsvikings.org/tose is the location of the wiki. Read the ideas and stuff.....then post some articles! :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From timothy.hart at gmail.com Fri Dec 2 17:18:34 2005 From: timothy.hart at gmail.com (Timothy Hart) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:18:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] A wiki for submitting articles for the New "The Open Source Educator" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <464c38cc0512020918v183f8423rb2c086d3b3f82597@mail.gmail.com> Cool. Awesome. I am pumped. I had a thought. I like the idea of a wiki for article development because it allows for the open source model to be applied to the articles. Wicked Cool. I am still of the belief that we should be pushing our Scribus skills and creating a complete downloadable PDF as the product. Landscape would be even better. Thoughts? Tim p.s. Dave I think Doku would work better for the Actem Wiki too. Media Wiki is a little up there in its syntax. On 12/2/05, David Trask wrote: > > In response to what we've been discussing about creating an online > magazine similar to TuxMag....I have posted a temporary wiki for you to > submit articles for a trial issue (trial meaning...let's see if we can get > this off the ground) Once we get a sample issue out...we can get more > organized and become a project. http://www.vcsvikings.org/tose is the > location of the wiki. Read the ideas and stuff.....then post some > articles! :-) > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Didn't you mean 'Wiki Cool'... -- Roger From linuxsys at davisny.edu Fri Dec 2 17:25:21 2005 From: linuxsys at davisny.edu (Calvin Park) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:25:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] A wiki for submitting articles for the New "The OpenSource Educator" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20051202172027.90B47106C@relay1.mail.twtelecom.net> This is a very exciting idea! Perhaps I'll post an article. ;) Either way, I'm looking forward to seeing what becomes of this (and I hope it becomes something great). -Calvin -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of David Trask Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 12:04 PM To: K12OSN at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] A wiki for submitting articles for the New "The OpenSource Educator" In response to what we've been discussing about creating an online magazine similar to TuxMag....I have posted a temporary wiki for you to submit articles for a trial issue (trial meaning...let's see if we can get this off the ground) Once we get a sample issue out...we can get more organized and become a project. http://www.vcsvikings.org/tose is the location of the wiki. Read the ideas and stuff.....then post some articles! :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From timothy.hart at gmail.com Fri Dec 2 17:34:50 2005 From: timothy.hart at gmail.com (Timothy Hart) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:34:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] A wiki for submitting articles for the New "The OpenSource Educator" In-Reply-To: <20051202172027.90B47106C@relay1.mail.twtelecom.net> References: <20051202172027.90B47106C@relay1.mail.twtelecom.net> Message-ID: <464c38cc0512020934l142e5d22vda41ae91b4644ecf@mail.gmail.com> Yeah you are right, I meant wiki cool. Hehe. : ) Well, do people like the tentative title? I thought it was good myself. I will grab a related DNS if people like it. Of course, tose.org is already taken. tosemag.org? Ideas are welcome. On 12/2/05, Calvin Park wrote: > > This is a very exciting idea! Perhaps I'll post an article. ;) Either way, > I'm looking forward to seeing what becomes of this (and I hope it becomes > something great). > > -Calvin > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf > Of David Trask > Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 12:04 PM > To: K12OSN at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] A wiki for submitting articles for the New "The > OpenSource > Educator" > > In response to what we've been discussing about creating an online > magazine > similar to TuxMag....I have posted a temporary wiki for you to submit > articles for a trial issue (trial meaning...let's see if we can get this > off > the ground) Once we get a sample issue out...we can get more > organized and become a project. http://www.vcsvikings.org/tose is the > location of the wiki. Read the ideas and stuff.....then post some > articles! > :-) > > David N. 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I thought it was good myself. I will grab a related DNS if people like it. Of course, tose.org is already taken. tosemag.org? Ideas are welcome. On 12/2/05, Calvin Park > wrote: This is a very exciting idea! Perhaps I'll post an article. ;) Either way, I'm looking forward to seeing what becomes of this (and I hope it becomes something great). -Calvin -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of David Trask Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 12:04 PM To: K12OSN at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] A wiki for submitting articles for the New "The OpenSource Educator" In response to what we've been discussing about creating an online magazine similar to TuxMag....I have posted a temporary wiki for you to submit articles for a trial issue (trial meaning...let's see if we can get this off the ground) Once we get a sample issue out...we can get more organized and become a project. http://www.vcsvikings.org/tose is the location of the wiki. Read the ideas and stuff.....then post some articles! :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see < http://www.k12os.org> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Dec 2 18:02:46 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 13:02:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] A wiki for submitting articles for the New =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22The_?= Open=?ISO-8859-1?Q? Source_?= Educa In-Reply-To: <464c38cc0512020918v183f8423rb2c086d3b3f82597@mail.gmail.com> References: <464c38cc0512020918v183f8423rb2c086d3b3f82597@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Fri Dec 2 2005 at 12:18 +0000 wrote: >Cool. Awesome. I am pumped. I had a thought. I like the idea of a wiki >for article development because it allows for the open source model to be >applied to the articles. Wicked Cool. "wicked" is a Maine term ;-) > > >I am still of the belief that we should be pushing our Scribus skills and >creating a complete downloadable PDF as the product. Landscape would be >even better. Thoughts? The template I've developed is exactly that...landscape...and can be saved as PDF with Scribus....the only thing I haven't figured out is how to get it to default to full screen when the reader opens it > > >Tim > >p.s. Dave I think Doku would work better for the Actem Wiki too. Media >Wiki is a little up there in its syntax. I agree...even I had trouble! ;-) Dokuwiki is so simple to set up...it's simply text files.... David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Dec 2 18:08:03 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 13:08:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] A wiki for submitting articles for the New =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22The ?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q? OpenSource_?= Educat In-Reply-To: <464c38cc0512020934l142e5d22vda41ae91b4644ecf@mail.gmail.com> References: < > <20051202172027.90B47106C@relay1.mail.twtelecom.net> <464c38cc0512020934l142e5d22vda41ae91b4644ecf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Fri Dec 2 2005 at 12:34 +0000 wrote: >Yeah you are right, I meant wiki cool. Hehe. : ) > >Well, do people like the tentative title? I thought it was good myself. I >will grab a related DNS if people like it. Of course, [ http://tose.org >]tose.org is already taken. [ http://tosemag.org ]tosemag.org? Ideas are >welcome. We need a cool logo....have a look at the logo that Exeter NH has for their new site K12opensource.org David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From rgm at htt-consult.com Fri Dec 2 18:08:14 2005 From: rgm at htt-consult.com (Robert Moskowitz) Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 13:08:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Status of smbldap-installer In-Reply-To: <20051202173357.104A04444@relay1.mail.twtelecom.net> References: <464c38cc0512020934l142e5d22vda41ae91b4644ecf@mail.gmail.com> <20051202173357.104A04444@relay1.mail.twtelecom.net> Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20051202124539.035b3f08@htt-consult.com> It looks like there hasn't been any updates on this since beginning of the year? http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/smbldap/ I am giving it another go this month. I have more hardware to work with, so it might actually work. But I want to use CentOS 4.2 for the OS. Do I add IMC: http://www.idealx.org/prj/samba/index.en.html ? Before running the installer script? And back in april there were messages about where idealx was install. Should I add www.webmin.com ? I am also looking at Openfiler: http://www.openfiler.com/ but it does not look like an NT PDC setup. For mail and calendaring services there is: http://www.scalix.com/index2.html the 'Community edition'. Well, I think this will do for starters! The only person who always got his work done by Friday was Robinson Crusoe. From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Fri Dec 2 18:21:33 2005 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 13:21:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Status of smbldap-installer In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.2.20051202124539.035b3f08@htt-consult.com> References: <464c38cc0512020934l142e5d22vda41ae91b4644ecf@mail.gmail.com> <20051202173357.104A04444@relay1.mail.twtelecom.net> <7.0.0.16.2.20051202124539.035b3f08@htt-consult.com> Message-ID: <1133547693.10284.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Robert, There will hopefully be an update to the smbldap-installer late this month/early next year. Looking at adding new things to the smbldap-installer. Stay tuned! -Paul Paul VanGundy Information Technology Director Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us On Fri, 2005-12-02 at 13:08 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > It looks like there hasn't been any updates on this since beginning > of the year? > > http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/smbldap/ > > I am giving it another go this month. I have more hardware to work > with, so it might actually work. > > But I want to use CentOS 4.2 for the OS. > > Do I add IMC: http://www.idealx.org/prj/samba/index.en.html ? Before > running the installer script? > > And back in april there were messages about where idealx was install. > > Should I add www.webmin.com ? > > I am also looking at Openfiler: http://www.openfiler.com/ but it > does not look like an NT PDC setup. > > For mail and calendaring services there > is: http://www.scalix.com/index2.html the 'Community edition'. > > Well, I think this will do for starters! > > > The only person who always got his work done by Friday was Robinson Crusoe. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Paul VanGundy Information Technology Director Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Dec 2 18:30:42 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 13:30:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Status of smbldap-installer In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.2.20051202124539.035b3f08@htt-consult.com> References: <464c38cc0512020934l142e5d22vda41ae91b4644ecf@mail.gmail.com> < > <20051202173357.104A04444@relay1.mail.twtelecom.net> <7.0.0.16.2.20051202124539.035b3f08@htt-consult.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Fri Dec 2 2005 at 13:08 +0000 wrote: >It looks like there hasn't been any updates on this since beginning >of the year? Yes...just not published :-) > > >http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/smbldap/ Go here for the latest edition http://www.majen.net/smbldap Documentation is on a wiki now...located here http://www.vcsvikings.org/docuwiki/ > > >I am giving it another go this month. I have more hardware to work >with, so it might actually work. > >But I want to use CentOS 4.2 for the OS. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Dec 2 18:37:24 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 13:37:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] a "very" simple sample page for The Open Source Educator Message-ID: http://www.vcsvikings/download/sample-page.pdf this is a simple sample page for the new magazine....I was messing around last night making some templates for when people email and submit stuff on the wiki...I can plug it right in. This is a simple header, footer, and 3 column sample with text from a Scribus Tutorial....there are no graphics in the sample. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Dec 2 18:40:04 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 13:40:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] WHOOPS! a "very" simple sample page for The Open Source Educator In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I fixed the URL below "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Fri Dec 2 2005 at 13:37 +0000 wrote: >http://www.vcsvikings .org >/download/sample-page.pdf > >this is a simple sample page for the new magazine....I was messing around >last night making some templates for when people email and submit stuff on >the wiki...I can plug it right in. This is a simple header, footer, and 3 >column sample with text from a Scribus Tutorial....there are no graphics >in the sample. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From rgm at htt-consult.com Fri Dec 2 18:31:45 2005 From: rgm at htt-consult.com (Robert Moskowitz) Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 13:31:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Status of smbldap-installer In-Reply-To: <1133547693.10284.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <464c38cc0512020934l142e5d22vda41ae91b4644ecf@mail.gmail.com> <20051202173357.104A04444@relay1.mail.twtelecom.net> <7.0.0.16.2.20051202124539.035b3f08@htt-consult.com> <1133547693.10284.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20051202133029.0477cda0@htt-consult.com> At 01:21 PM 12/2/2005, Paul VanGundy wrote: >Robert, > >There will hopefully be an update to the smbldap-installer late this >month/early next year. Looking at adding new things to the >smbldap-installer. Stay tuned! Should I wait? I DO have lots to do in the next month. My youngst boy's Bar Mitzvah is Jan 7th and lots to do! Of course I can just have a 'practice run'. :-| >-Paul > >Paul VanGundy >Information Technology Director >Epping High School >Epping Middle School >P: 603.679.5472 >F: 603.679.2966 >vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us > > > >On Fri, 2005-12-02 at 13:08 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > > It looks like there hasn't been any updates on this since beginning > > of the year? > > > > http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/smbldap/ > > > > I am giving it another go this month. I have more hardware to work > > with, so it might actually work. > > > > But I want to use CentOS 4.2 for the OS. > > > > Do I add IMC: http://www.idealx.org/prj/samba/index.en.html ? Before > > running the installer script? > > > > And back in april there were messages about where idealx was install. > > > > Should I add www.webmin.com ? > > > > I am also looking at Openfiler: http://www.openfiler.com/ but it > > does not look like an NT PDC setup. > > > > For mail and calendaring services there > > is: http://www.scalix.com/index2.html the 'Community edition'. > > > > Well, I think this will do for starters! > > > > > > The only person who always got his work done by Friday was Robinson Crusoe. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see >-- >Paul VanGundy >Information Technology Director >Epping High School >Epping Middle School >P: 603.679.5472 >F: 603.679.2966 >vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see From rgm at htt-consult.com Fri Dec 2 18:30:27 2005 From: rgm at htt-consult.com (Robert Moskowitz) Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 13:30:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Status of smbldap-installer In-Reply-To: References: <464c38cc0512020934l142e5d22vda41ae91b4644ecf@mail.gmail.com> < > <20051202173357.104A04444@relay1.mail.twtelecom.net> <7.0.0.16.2.20051202124539.035b3f08@htt-consult.com> Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20051202132918.04636d40@htt-consult.com> At 01:30 PM 12/2/2005, David Trask wrote: >"Support list for opensource software in schools." on >Fri Dec 2 2005 at 13:08 +0000 wrote: > >It looks like there hasn't been any updates on this since beginning > >of the year? > Yes...just not published :-) > > > > > >http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/smbldap/ > >Go here for the latest edition http://www.majen.net/smbldap Ah, by going to one of the mirrors I discovered that the last update is 11/11 ? So I can expect CentOS to work this time around? >Documentation is on a wiki now...located here >http://www.vcsvikings.org/docuwiki/ > > > > > >I am giving it another go this month. I have more hardware to work > >with, so it might actually work. > > > >But I want to use CentOS 4.2 for the OS. > > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcsvikings.org >(207)923-3100 > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Dec 2 18:41:37 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 13:41:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] WHOOPS ! again! Fixed this time In-Reply-To: References: <,> Message-ID: http://www.vcsvikings.org/download/sample-page.pdf David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Dec 2 18:56:39 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 13:56:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Status of smbldap-installer In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.2.20051202132918.04636d40@htt-consult.com> References: <464c38cc0512020934l142e5d22vda41ae91b4644ecf@mail.gmail.com> < > < > <20051202173357.104A04444@relay1.mail.twtelecom.net> < > <7.0.0.16.2.20051202124539.035b3f08@htt-consult.com> < > <7.0.0.16.2.20051202132918.04636d40@htt-consult.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Fri Dec 2 2005 at 13:30 +0000 wrote: >So I can expect CentOS to work this time around? dunno...not tested, but I can say we have Ubuntu working now. Mark Gumpretch (sp?) had done some work on adapting smbldap-installer to CentOS....Mark? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From timothy.hart at gmail.com Fri Dec 2 18:49:33 2005 From: timothy.hart at gmail.com (Timothy Hart) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:49:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] WHOOPS ! again! Fixed this time In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <464c38cc0512021049j6b4c82fk711df5709d77a66f@mail.gmail.com> Third time is a charm. Not bad at all. I think the title needs some bold and a hortizontal rule. Also a place for page number in the lower right. I now I saw a tip on how to have the PDF open full screen automatically some where. I am just not sure where. Tim On 12/2/05, David Trask wrote: > > http://www.vcsvikings.org/download/sample-page.pdf > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Dec 2 19:01:19 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 14:01:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] WHOOPS ! again! Fixed this time In-Reply-To: <464c38cc0512021049j6b4c82fk711df5709d77a66f@mail.gmail.com> References: < > < > <464c38cc0512021049j6b4c82fk711df5709d77a66f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Fri Dec 2 2005 at 13:49 +0000 wrote: >Also a place for page number in the lower right. the page number is on there...it's "10" David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From timothy.hart at gmail.com Fri Dec 2 18:55:08 2005 From: timothy.hart at gmail.com (Timothy Hart) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:55:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] WHOOPS ! again! Fixed this time In-Reply-To: References: <464c38cc0512021049j6b4c82fk711df5709d77a66f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <464c38cc0512021055h55da2a6ci40d60e30f7e6ca37@mail.gmail.com> I'm blind. On 12/2/05, David Trask wrote: > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Fri Dec 2 2005 at 13:49 +0000 wrote: > >Also a place for page number in the lower right. > the page number is on there...it's "10" > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Fri Dec 2 19:09:56 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 14:09:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] WHOOPS ! again! Fixed this time In-Reply-To: <464c38cc0512021055h55da2a6ci40d60e30f7e6ca37@mail.gmail.com> References: < > < > < > <464c38cc0512021049j6b4c82fk711df5709d77a66f@mail.gmail.com> < > <464c38cc0512021055h55da2a6ci40d60e30f7e6ca37@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Fri Dec 2 2005 at 13:55 +0000 wrote: >I'm blind. LOL....unless of course you're serious ;-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From rgm at htt-consult.com Fri Dec 2 19:07:25 2005 From: rgm at htt-consult.com (Robert Moskowitz) Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 14:07:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Status of smbldap-installer In-Reply-To: References: <464c38cc0512020934l142e5d22vda41ae91b4644ecf@mail.gmail.com> < > < > <20051202173357.104A04444@relay1.mail.twtelecom.net> < > <7.0.0.16.2.20051202124539.035b3f08@htt-consult.com> < > <7.0.0.16.2.20051202132918.04636d40@htt-consult.com> Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20051202140613.0477f410@htt-consult.com> At 01:56 PM 12/2/2005, David Trask wrote: >"Support list for opensource software in schools." on >Fri Dec 2 2005 at 13:30 +0000 wrote: > >So I can expect CentOS to work this time around? > >dunno...not tested, but I can say we have Ubuntu working now. Mark >Gumpretch (sp?) had done some work on adapting smbldap-installer to >CentOS....Mark? As I recall you enter your build name, and that becomes the basis for where it looks for what. And I had problems with this back in Feb. Part of the reason I dropped it for a while. >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcsvikings.org >(207)923-3100 > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see From timothy.hart at gmail.com Fri Dec 2 19:08:01 2005 From: timothy.hart at gmail.com (Timothy Hart) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:08:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] WHOOPS ! again! Fixed this time In-Reply-To: References: <464c38cc0512021049j6b4c82fk711df5709d77a66f@mail.gmail.com> <464c38cc0512021055h55da2a6ci40d60e30f7e6ca37@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <464c38cc0512021108r35eed311i1bcb1d8f1d5ded56@mail.gmail.com> No I am not. But that made me chuckle quite a bit. I will work this weekend on getting some web space and on some templates of my own. TOSE beta is on it's way. On 12/2/05, David Trask wrote: > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Fri Dec 2 2005 at 13:55 +0000 wrote: > >I'm blind. > > LOL....unless of course you're serious ;-) > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ascensiontech at gmail.com Fri Dec 2 19:53:52 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:53:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] I need to make Flash work faster....wanna pitch in? Message-ID: <9bd317560512021153r10e3e356ucf1c4bc35d7d7577@mail.gmail.com> We're also having major flash problems. 4 kids running disney.com games brought our dual opteron server to its knees today. I couldn't even log in on the console. I had to ssh in just to 'init 6'. Each of their firefox-bin processes was trying to suck up 70% cpu. Is that typical? What exactly does Local_apps=Y do anyway? It must not do what I think it does if there is a need for this: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LocalAppFirefox#Introduction What are people doing to solve this kind of problem? Thanks, Peter On 1/12/05, Calvin Park wrote: > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LocalApps > > I'm assuming that might be the place to start. I've never setup > localapps. But, that's where I'd start. > > -Calvin > > On Wed, 2005-01-12 at 09:02 -0500, David Trask wrote: > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > > Wednesday, January 12, 2005 at 8:40 AM +0000 wrote: > > >The hard part is getting network authentication and NFS exported > > >home directories set up. You've already done that part. You > > >will reduce security if you open up NFS to the workstations, but > > >that may not matter as much as performance - and maybe you already > > >allow it. > > > > Any idea where the how-to is? I'd like to try....security is not > > paramount in this case....performance is. > > > > David N. Trask > > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > > Vassalboro Community School > > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > > (207)923-3100 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From bjohnson at independence.k12.ia.us Fri Dec 2 20:29:37 2005 From: bjohnson at independence.k12.ia.us (Brad Johnson) Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 14:29:37 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] crazy licensing question Message-ID: <4390AEB1.5000007@independence.k12.ia.us> Greetings fellow LTSPer's, I've got a question for which I cannot seem to find the answer. Here's the scenario: Want to connect my LTSP clients to either a Windows 2000 or Windows 2003 terminal server. I want to purchase the licenses to make this all legal, but I cannot seem to understand how/where the license file gets saved on my LTSP server. Is anyone successfully and legally doing this? Thanks for any help. -- Brad Johnson Technology Director Independence Community School District Independence, IA 50644 (319) 334-7405 ext 119 From rmcdaniel at indata.us Fri Dec 2 20:34:58 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 13:34:58 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] crazy licensing question Message-ID: <20051202133458.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.e5dee214cc.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> The licenses are inputed on the 2000 or 2003 server, not on the individual clients. Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 230-0658 cell rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [K12OSN] crazy licensing question > From: Brad Johnson > Date: Fri, December 02, 2005 2:29 pm > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > Greetings fellow LTSPer's, > > I've got a question for which I cannot seem to find the answer. Here's > the scenario: > > Want to connect my LTSP clients to either a Windows 2000 or Windows 2003 > terminal server. I want to purchase the licenses to make this all > legal, but I cannot seem to understand how/where the license file gets > saved on my LTSP server. Is anyone successfully and legally doing > this? Thanks for any help. > > -- > Brad Johnson > Technology Director > Independence Community School District > Independence, IA 50644 > (319) 334-7405 ext 119 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From bjohnson at independence.k12.ia.us Fri Dec 2 20:38:02 2005 From: bjohnson at independence.k12.ia.us (Brad Johnson) Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 14:38:02 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] crazy licensing question In-Reply-To: <20051202133458.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.e5dee214cc.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> References: <20051202133458.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.e5dee214cc.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <4390B0AA.8080206@independence.k12.ia.us> That I understand, but based on my reading of the Microsoft licensing model, the client should be issued a permanent license. If not, the license is a 90-day temporary license, after which time you need to rename the client in order for the client to be able to connect again. I don't want to have to do that. Brad Johnson Technology Director Independence Community School District Independence, IA 50644 (319) 334-7405 ext 119 rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: >The licenses are inputed on the 2000 or 2003 server, not on the >individual clients. > > >Ronald R. McDaniel >Conecuh County Schools >(251) 578-7073 x26 >(251) 230-0658 cell >rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > > >>-------- Original Message -------- >>Subject: [K12OSN] crazy licensing question >>From: Brad Johnson >>Date: Fri, December 02, 2005 2:29 pm >>To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." >> >> >>Greetings fellow LTSPer's, >> >>I've got a question for which I cannot seem to find the answer. Here's >>the scenario: >> >>Want to connect my LTSP clients to either a Windows 2000 or Windows 2003 >>terminal server. I want to purchase the licenses to make this all >>legal, but I cannot seem to understand how/where the license file gets >>saved on my LTSP server. Is anyone successfully and legally doing >>this? Thanks for any help. >> >>-- >>Brad Johnson >>Technology Director >>Independence Community School District >>Independence, IA 50644 >>(319) 334-7405 ext 119 >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From bjohnson at independence.k12.ia.us Fri Dec 2 20:42:07 2005 From: bjohnson at independence.k12.ia.us (Brad Johnson) Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 14:42:07 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] crazy licensing question In-Reply-To: <4390B0AA.8080206@independence.k12.ia.us> References: <20051202133458.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.e5dee214cc.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> <4390B0AA.8080206@independence.k12.ia.us> Message-ID: <4390B19F.8010703@independence.k12.ia.us> Ok...following up on my own question, I see Shawn had a discussion on this topic last year. Am I then correct to assume that I should use RDP version 4 to make the connection? As always, thanks for any info provided on this topic. Brad Johnson Technology Director Independence Community School District Independence, IA 50644 (319) 334-7405 ext 119 Brad Johnson wrote: > That I understand, but based on my reading of the Microsoft licensing > model, the client should be issued a permanent license. If not, the > license is a 90-day temporary license, after which time you need to > rename the client in order for the client to be able to connect > again. I don't want to have to do that. > > Brad Johnson > Technology Director > Independence Community School District > Independence, IA 50644 > (319) 334-7405 ext 119 > > > > rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > >> The licenses are inputed on the 2000 or 2003 server, not on the >> individual clients. >> >> >> Ronald R. McDaniel >> Conecuh County Schools >> (251) 578-7073 x26 >> (251) 230-0658 cell >> rmcdaniel at indata.us >> >> >> >> >>> -------- Original Message -------- >>> Subject: [K12OSN] crazy licensing question >>> From: Brad Johnson >>> Date: Fri, December 02, 2005 2:29 pm >>> To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." >>> >>> >>> Greetings fellow LTSPer's, >>> >>> I've got a question for which I cannot seem to find the answer. >>> Here's the scenario: >>> >>> Want to connect my LTSP clients to either a Windows 2000 or Windows >>> 2003 terminal server. I want to purchase the licenses to make this >>> all legal, but I cannot seem to understand how/where the license >>> file gets saved on my LTSP server. Is anyone successfully and >>> legally doing this? Thanks for any help. >>> >>> -- >>> Brad Johnson >>> Technology Director >>> Independence Community School District >>> Independence, IA 50644 >>> (319) 334-7405 ext 119 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From robark at gmail.com Fri Dec 2 20:42:59 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:42:59 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora Directory Server 1.0 released Message-ID: http://directory.fedora.redhat.com/wiki/Main_Page -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From rmcdaniel at indata.us Fri Dec 2 20:56:25 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 13:56:25 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] crazy licensing question Message-ID: <20051202135625.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.f3cad45111.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Are you wanting to use the LTSP server and just access the 2000 or 2003 servers via RDP? If so, all you need to do is purchase CALs for the 2000 or 2003 servers. Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 230-0658 cell rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] crazy licensing question > From: Brad Johnson > Date: Fri, December 02, 2005 2:38 pm > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > > That I understand, but based on my reading of the Microsoft licensing > model, the client should be issued a permanent license. If not, the > license is a 90-day temporary license, after which time you need to > rename the client in order for the client to be able to connect again. > I don't want to have to do that. > > Brad Johnson > Technology Director > Independence Community School District > Independence, IA 50644 > (319) 334-7405 ext 119 > > > > rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > > >The licenses are inputed on the 2000 or 2003 server, not on the > >individual clients. > > > > > >Ronald R. McDaniel > >Conecuh County Schools > >(251) 578-7073 x26 > >(251) 230-0658 cell > >rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > > > > > > > >>-------- Original Message -------- > >>Subject: [K12OSN] crazy licensing question > >>From: Brad Johnson > >>Date: Fri, December 02, 2005 2:29 pm > >>To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > >> > >> > >>Greetings fellow LTSPer's, > >> > >>I've got a question for which I cannot seem to find the answer. Here's > >>the scenario: > >> > >>Want to connect my LTSP clients to either a Windows 2000 or Windows 2003 > >>terminal server. I want to purchase the licenses to make this all > >>legal, but I cannot seem to understand how/where the license file gets > >>saved on my LTSP server. Is anyone successfully and legally doing > >>this? Thanks for any help. > >> > >>-- > >>Brad Johnson > >>Technology Director > >>Independence Community School District > >>Independence, IA 50644 > >>(319) 334-7405 ext 119 > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>K12OSN mailing list > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>For more info see > >> > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From ascensiontech at gmail.com Fri Dec 2 22:45:57 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 17:45:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: web administration software Message-ID: <9bd317560512021445v288e8610he3ff95135b45f5d4@mail.gmail.com> Can anyone recommend a good opensource website administration software package? Something that regular folks can use? Thanks a bunch! Peter From luis.montes at cox.net Fri Dec 2 23:46:25 2005 From: luis.montes at cox.net (Luis Montes) Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 16:46:25 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: web administration software In-Reply-To: <9bd317560512021445v288e8610he3ff95135b45f5d4@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560512021445v288e8610he3ff95135b45f5d4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4390DCD1.4060600@cox.net> If you mean something like a content manager, try joomla.org Luis Peter Hartmann wrote: >Can anyone recommend a good opensource website administration software >package? Something that regular folks can use? > > >Thanks a bunch! >Peter > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Sat Dec 3 03:51:26 2005 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 22:51:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] *AntiVirus Solution* Message-ID: <1133581886.10315.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> All, Do any of you use ClamAV or KlamAV as your sole antivirus solution in your organizations? We have used Symantec, which we left, and are currently using Sophos Anti-Virus since it runs on Macs, Windows and Linux. However, Sophos doesn't handle infected files very well. Instead of quarantining the files it leaves them where they are and just informs the administrator that the computer/user has an infected file. Not an acceptable solution for our environment. So again, have/do any of you use ClamAV/KlamAV as your sole antivirus solution and how is it working for you and do you recommend it for heterogeneous networks? Any comments or suggestions from anyone on this is welcome and appreciated. Thanks in advance! -Paul -- Paul VanGundy Information Technology Director Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us From les at futuresource.com Sat Dec 3 04:29:00 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 22:29:00 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] *AntiVirus Solution* In-Reply-To: <1133581886.10315.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1133581886.10315.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1133584140.10156.41.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2005-12-02 at 21:51, Paul VanGundy wrote: > So again, have/do any of you use ClamAV/KlamAV as your sole antivirus > solution and how is it working for you and do you recommend it for > heterogeneous networks? Any comments or suggestions from anyone on this > is welcome and appreciated. Thanks in advance! http://www.clamwin.org has a windows version that is pretty nice. It doesn't do real-time on access scanning except for mail messages in outlook, though. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sat Dec 3 06:03:04 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 01:03:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Magazine mock-up...getting the hang of Scribus! Message-ID: With regard to The Open Source Educator...I have produced a mock-up of a Table of Contents page as part of my experimenting. The article names....images...etc. are all completely BOGUS....I made them up simply for this mock-up. You can see it here http://www.vcsvikings.org/download/TOSE-template.pdf I'm getting the hang of this Scribus stuff.....very cool! I'm liking it a lot! Give me some feedback and some articles! http://www.vcsvikings.org/tose (wiki) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sat Dec 3 06:11:04 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 01:11:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Potential topics for Open Source educator magazine Message-ID: Some of the potential topics for the trial issue (and beyond) of TOSE (The Open Source Educator) Go to the wiki at http://www.vcsvikings.org/tose and pick and edit one of these topics or create your own....you could be published! Fame and fortune could be yours! ;-) Intro To SchoolTool Teaching Tux Paint OpenSource Typing Tutor Reviews Using Blogs Educationally Wiki - The Collaborative Writing Environment Converting to GIMP from PSP Using a Wacom Tablet on Linux Digital Photography in Linux Using OpenOffice A regular column showing some advanced features of OpenOffice To the Principal's Office A regular column that compares to LJ?s SuitWatch having articles the Administration could understand, perhaps advocacy level even. CommandLineCorner A regular short column that presents command line tools and programs to make our lives easier. Easy programs for command line newbs to more complex tools. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From andy at spitcomp.com Sat Dec 3 13:27:20 2005 From: andy at spitcomp.com (Andrew Fisk) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 08:27:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] *AntiVirus Solution* In-Reply-To: <1133581886.10315.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1133581886.10315.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4F7687F2-1920-4828-8598-CBD0568A5B39@spitcomp.com> Clam seems to work well on our linux servers and windows boxes -- I frankly haven't bothered with AV for Macintosh, which is probably kind of dumb, but...... I know we cam across a windows virus a couple of days ago that Clam was the first to detect and quarantine -- which I thought was pretty cool for Open Source software. At my last job we used Sophos, and the is an option to quarantine (move) infected files, next time I work on an old machine I will dig up the preferences and let you know where the option is. Thanks Andy Spitfire Computer Services 441 Beaver Street Suite 202 Sewickley, PA 15143 Phone (412) 749-0162 Fax: (412) 749-0203 andy at spitcomp.com www.spitcomp.com On Dec 2, 2005, at 10:51 PM, Paul VanGundy wrote: > All, > > Do any of you use ClamAV or KlamAV as your sole antivirus solution in > your organizations? We have used Symantec, which we left, and are > currently using Sophos Anti-Virus since it runs on Macs, Windows and > Linux. However, Sophos doesn't handle infected files very well. > Instead > of quarantining the files it leaves them where they are and just > informs > the administrator that the computer/user has an infected file. Not an > acceptable solution for our environment. > > So again, have/do any of you use ClamAV/KlamAV as your sole antivirus > solution and how is it working for you and do you recommend it for > heterogeneous networks? Any comments or suggestions from anyone on > this > is welcome and appreciated. Thanks in advance! > > -Paul > > -- > Paul VanGundy > Information Technology Director > Epping High School > Epping Middle School > P: 603.679.5472 > F: 603.679.2966 > vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From timothy.hart at gmail.com Sat Dec 3 14:35:23 2005 From: timothy.hart at gmail.com (Timothy Hart) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 09:35:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Magazine mock-up...getting the hang of Scribus! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <464c38cc0512030635oa3a66adj8c4497d5c41815ec@mail.gmail.com> Great work. I am playing around with the same thing. Although I am having a little trouble with color matching. I am trying to get it a little more lickable (gradients and such) and am making the header and borders in inkscape. Keeping it SVG and importing it into Scribus is nice, but Scribus seems to chew the SVG a little in the color department. Also any gradient I export to PDF seems washed out. I like what you did though. What do you think about having that left block totally separated from the top, like a drawer in OS X. I will continue to play with the gradient thing and hopefully we will have some templates to input articles into soon. Tim On 12/3/05, David Trask wrote: > With regard to The Open Source Educator...I have produced a mock-up of a > Table of Contents page as part of my experimenting. The article > names....images...etc. are all completely BOGUS....I made them up simply > for this mock-up. You can see it here > http://www.vcsvikings.org/download/TOSE-template.pdf > > I'm getting the hang of this Scribus stuff.....very cool! I'm liking it a > lot! Give me some feedback and some articles! > http://www.vcsvikings.org/tose (wiki) > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ascensiontech at gmail.com Sat Dec 3 15:51:36 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 10:51:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: web administration software In-Reply-To: <4390DCD1.4060600@cox.net> References: <9bd317560512021445v288e8610he3ff95135b45f5d4@mail.gmail.com> <4390DCD1.4060600@cox.net> Message-ID: <9bd317560512030751y1b5ae9d8m7c84565eb3f06af3@mail.gmail.com> Well to be honest my friend is trying to find a replacement for Plesk. I think it's like content management plus Webmin. Would anyone care to comment? Thanks, Peter On 12/2/05, Luis Montes wrote: > If you mean something like a content manager, try joomla.org > > Luis > > > > Peter Hartmann wrote: > > >Can anyone recommend a good opensource website administration software > >package? Something that regular folks can use? > > > > > >Thanks a bunch! > >Peter > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From timothy.hart at gmail.com Sat Dec 3 17:39:49 2005 From: timothy.hart at gmail.com (Timothy Hart) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 12:39:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] TOSE play Message-ID: <464c38cc0512030939t6627814erbc2756699ad65b9d@mail.gmail.com> Here is something I was playing around with this morning. I took a screen shot of it as I am still having troubles with the PDF export making everything look like crap. Dave, did you have any issues? http://portfolio.umaine.edu/~hartt/tose2.png Tim P.S. I sent this message twice, but the other was rejected because I put the png in an attachment. My apologies if it comes through twice. From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sat Dec 3 18:35:44 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 13:35:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Magazine mock-up...getting the hang of Scribus! In-Reply-To: <464c38cc0512030635oa3a66adj8c4497d5c41815ec@mail.gmail.com> References: <464c38cc0512030635oa3a66adj8c4497d5c41815ec@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: If you look closely...you'll notice it is almost like the contents page of TuxMag :-) I figured they had good design...and what better way to teach myself. "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Sat Dec 3 2005 at 09:35 +0000 wrote: >Great work. I am playing around with the same thing. Although I am >having a little trouble with color matching. I am trying to get it a >little more lickable (gradients and such) and am making the header and >borders in inkscape. Keeping it SVG and importing it into Scribus is >nice, but Scribus seems to chew the SVG a little in the color >department. > >Also any gradient I export to PDF seems washed out. > >I like what you did though. What do you think about having that left >block totally separated from the top, like a drawer in OS X. > >I will continue to play with the gradient thing and hopefully we will >have some templates to input articles into soon. > >Tim > >On 12/3/05, David Trask wrote: >> With regard to The Open Source Educator...I have produced a mock-up of a >> Table of Contents page as part of my experimenting. The article >> names....images...etc. are all completely BOGUS....I made them up simply >> for this mock-up. You can see it here >> http://www.vcsvikings.org/download/TOSE-template.pdf >> >> I'm getting the hang of this Scribus stuff.....very cool! I'm liking >it a >> lot! Give me some feedback and some articles! >> http://www.vcsvikings.org/tose (wiki) >> >> David N. Trask >> Technology Teacher/Coordinator >> Vassalboro Community School >> dtrask at vcsvikings.org >> (207)923-3100 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From joseph.bishay at gmail.com Sat Dec 3 19:03:48 2005 From: joseph.bishay at gmail.com (Joseph Bishay) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 14:03:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: web administration software In-Reply-To: <9bd317560512030751y1b5ae9d8m7c84565eb3f06af3@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560512021445v288e8610he3ff95135b45f5d4@mail.gmail.com> <4390DCD1.4060600@cox.net> <9bd317560512030751y1b5ae9d8m7c84565eb3f06af3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello, Is it to control one single web server, or to control a bunch of clients? IE: reseller? Plesk is very good for the reseller, but since its built-in packages have been modified to allow easier installation, it breaks a lot of them. I've found for our server, if I want anything other than a basic installation (ie: no plugins or updates) I will have to reinstall the packages fromthe command line since plesk breaks them all. If it's just a single server, you're better off with webmin. Joseph On 12/3/05, Peter Hartmann wrote: > Well to be honest my friend is trying to find a replacement for Plesk. > I think it's like content management plus Webmin. Would anyone care > to comment? > > > Thanks, > Peter > > > On 12/2/05, Luis Montes wrote: > > If you mean something like a content manager, try joomla.org > > > > Luis > > > > > > > > Peter Hartmann wrote: > > > > >Can anyone recommend a good opensource website administration software > > >package? Something that regular folks can use? > > > > > > > > >Thanks a bunch! > > >Peter > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >K12OSN mailing list > > >K12OSN at redhat.com > > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > >For more info see > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From timothy.hart at gmail.com Sat Dec 3 20:02:42 2005 From: timothy.hart at gmail.com (Timothy Hart) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 15:02:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Magazine mock-up...getting the hang of Scribus! In-Reply-To: References: <464c38cc0512030635oa3a66adj8c4497d5c41815ec@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <464c38cc0512031202m431019eek8ecd9e62b10b3dbb@mail.gmail.com> Nothing wrong with that. Well not too close of course, but I like their model. Did you export your from Scribus to Adobe 5? On 12/3/05, David Trask wrote: > If you look closely...you'll notice it is almost like the contents page of > TuxMag :-) I figured they had good design...and what better way to teach > myself. > > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Sat Dec 3 2005 at 09:35 +0000 wrote: > >Great work. I am playing around with the same thing. Although I am > >having a little trouble with color matching. I am trying to get it a > >little more lickable (gradients and such) and am making the header and > >borders in inkscape. Keeping it SVG and importing it into Scribus is > >nice, but Scribus seems to chew the SVG a little in the color > >department. > > > >Also any gradient I export to PDF seems washed out. > > > >I like what you did though. What do you think about having that left > >block totally separated from the top, like a drawer in OS X. > > > >I will continue to play with the gradient thing and hopefully we will > >have some templates to input articles into soon. > > > >Tim > > > >On 12/3/05, David Trask wrote: > >> With regard to The Open Source Educator...I have produced a mock-up of a > >> Table of Contents page as part of my experimenting. The article > >> names....images...etc. are all completely BOGUS....I made them up simply > >> for this mock-up. You can see it here > >> http://www.vcsvikings.org/download/TOSE-template.pdf > >> > >> I'm getting the hang of this Scribus stuff.....very cool! I'm liking > >it a > >> lot! Give me some feedback and some articles! > >> http://www.vcsvikings.org/tose (wiki) > >> > >> David N. Trask > >> Technology Teacher/Coordinator > >> Vassalboro Community School > >> dtrask at vcsvikings.org > >> (207)923-3100 > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From k12osn at perusion.com Sat Dec 3 21:09:58 2005 From: k12osn at perusion.com (Mike Heins) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 16:09:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT:ipchains, firewalls, nat, forwarding In-Reply-To: <200512010145.jB11jEU11984@www.mi-spot.com> References: <200512010145.jB11jEU11984@www.mi-spot.com> Message-ID: <20051203210958.GA4004@bill.heins.net> Quoting Eric Brown (ericbrown at mi-spot.com): > I call this OT because it's not on a K12LTSP installation. I chose not to > install a firewall on my K12LTSP installation to simplify matters, since our > district is "supposed" to handle all that. I never had any trouble with > the terminal server forwarding things. > > I just recieved another server where the vendor installed Fedora core 4 with > the "Install everything" option, as well as installing a firewall. THis > machine is going to act as a gateway machine and a file server for a bunch > of XP machines. Thanks to a question I asked this group a few months ago, I > managed to get DHCP running. With some googleing, I can ping an external IP > from one of the XP machines. I would like to allow dns and web access, but > I want to kill any MSN access and pretty much anything else. > > So I'm split. I could ease my headach and turn off the firewall. Would the > fileserver then allow all traffic through it? Yes. But typically, the simple Linux firewall setup only blocks incoming connections. the settings will allow most *outgoing* traffic. > > OR (and I've been searching on this all day), how can I turn it on to allow > port s 53 and 80 through the file server. Better yet, can anyone point me > to a very *simple* explanation of how to do this in general (give a man a > fish...). All references I could find were too lengthy or strictly involved > ppp which isn't being used here. > You could use iptables to limit outgoing traffic as well, but it is hard. I am a big command-line guy, but firewalls are too complicated and too detail-oriented to deal with on that basis. So I recommend using a tool like GuardDog to manage your firewall. -- Mike Heins Perusion -- Expert Interchange Consulting http://www.perusion.com/ phone +1.765.647.1295 tollfree 800-949-1889 Prove you aren't stupid. Say NO to Passport. From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sat Dec 3 21:53:54 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 16:53:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Magazine mock-up...getting the hang of Scribus! In-Reply-To: <464c38cc0512031202m431019eek8ecd9e62b10b3dbb@mail.gmail.com> References: < > <464c38cc0512030635oa3a66adj8c4497d5c41815ec@mail.gmail.com> < > <464c38cc0512031202m431019eek8ecd9e62b10b3dbb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Sat Dec 3 2005 at 15:02 +0000 wrote: >Did you export your from Scribus to Adobe 5? yes...and I embedded the fonts....since not embedding the fonts caused it to look awful David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From ssanders at coin.org Sat Dec 3 21:48:23 2005 From: ssanders at coin.org (ssanders at coin.org) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 15:48:23 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] message quoting In-Reply-To: <464c38cc0512031202m431019eek8ecd9e62b10b3dbb@mail.gmail.com> References: <464c38cc0512030635oa3a66adj8c4497d5c41815ec@mail.gmail.com> <464c38cc0512031202m431019eek8ecd9e62b10b3dbb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1133646503.405.4.camel@bofh.ltsp> Please have mercy on us poor folks on dialup and edit your replies! I am getting recent threads with 86 lines of quotes and 20 words of reply. A few pertinent lines are fine, for those that don't follow this daily. A 99% redundancy is extra space and transmission load on the server surely. From rmccue at law.uvic.ca Sat Dec 3 22:10:52 2005 From: rmccue at law.uvic.ca (Rich McCue) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 14:10:52 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: web administration software In-Reply-To: <9bd317560512030751y1b5ae9d8m7c84565eb3f06af3@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560512021445v288e8610he3ff95135b45f5d4@mail.gmail.com><4390DCD1.4060600@cox.net> <9bd317560512030751y1b5ae9d8m7c84565eb3f06af3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <439217EC.3060502@law.uvic.ca> I have not used it personally, but I've heard good things about IPS Config. http://www.ispconfig.org/ Good luck. Peter Hartmann wrote: >Well to be honest my friend is trying to find a replacement for Plesk. > I think it's like content management plus Webmin. Would anyone care >to comment? > > >Thanks, >Peter > > >On 12/2/05, Luis Montes wrote: > > >>If you mean something like a content manager, try joomla.org >> >>Luis >> >> >> >>Peter Hartmann wrote: >> >> >> >>>Can anyone recommend a good opensource website administration software >>>package? Something that regular folks can use? >>> >>> >>>Thanks a bunch! >>>Peter >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From les at futuresource.com Sat Dec 3 23:25:24 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 17:25:24 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT:ipchains, firewalls, nat, forwarding In-Reply-To: <200512010145.jB11jEU11984@www.mi-spot.com> References: <200512010145.jB11jEU11984@www.mi-spot.com> Message-ID: <1133652324.18317.11.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-11-30 at 19:42, Eric Brown wrote: > I just recieved another server where the vendor installed Fedora core 4 with > the "Install everything" option, as well as installing a firewall. THis > machine is going to act as a gateway machine and a file server for a bunch > of XP machines. Thanks to a question I asked this group a few months ago, I > managed to get DHCP running. With some googleing, I can ping an external IP > from one of the XP machines. I would like to allow dns and web access, but > I want to kill any MSN access and pretty much anything else. > > So I'm split. I could ease my headach and turn off the firewall. Would the > fileserver then allow all traffic through it? The simple and probably better approach is to turn off NAT completely and run squid proxy instead. You'll have to configure the clients to use it or set up iptables for transparent proxying but then you can add squidguard and dansguardian for more control. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From cwt137 at yahoo.com Sun Dec 4 03:57:31 2005 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 19:57:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Edubuntu on Slashdot Message-ID: <20051204035731.4082.qmail@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Here is the link http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/05/12/03/1759224.shtml?tid=146&tid=106 I wonder if it includes LTSP like the regular Ubuntu. Chris From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Sun Dec 4 04:26:02 2005 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 20:26:02 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Introduction and questions Message-ID: <43926FDA.5030909@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Hi all, I'm Mike Ely. Just started up as the Technology Specialist for Rogue River School District #35 down here in Southern Oregon, and one of my top priorities is getting a student lab up and running at our middle school just in time for online state testing to be completed. I've done LTSP before in a school district, but previously did most of the work myself as I used SuSE in order to take advantage of its tighter KDE integration and the most excellent Kiosk API that comes with that (and incidentally, was able to get linux to respect Active Directory group membership when choosing a skel directory for new user logins). In this case I really don't have a lot of time to build something from scratch, and have been meaning to try an education-specific distro anyhow, so this effort gets my nod. I'm wondering if anyone here has information related to desktop lockdown for this distribution (I'm really rusty with Gnome, as I haven't used it at all on the desktop ever since the "spatial browsing" situation manifested). I'd like student users to get a very limited desktop (that I define) and not be able to goof around with it - they can save their documents to a network share - and am willing to allow staff users access to more of a default general-purpose desktop. My current environment is fairly straightforward: we have a Samba 3 domain for 'doze clients, not nearly enough Macs, and for this particular server, all the student users will be logging in with the same domain account. This presents a potential difficulty with regard to Firefox and also with OpenOffice, as my recollection was that both of those applications really didn't much like being launched more than once by a given user. If anyone's seen solutions to the particular problems I've mentioned above, I'd love the opportunity to avoid re-inventing the wheel, and also if anyone wants more information about the things I did with LTSP before (especially with regard to AD integration), I'll be more than happy to answer. I look forward to working with this list. Cheers, Mike Ely Technology Specialist, Rogue River School District #35 Rogue River, OR 97537 From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Sun Dec 4 04:27:46 2005 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 23:27:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] *CUPS Printing Error* Message-ID: <1133670467.9201.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> All, I am receiving an error on one of our Ubuntu 5.10 boxes. When a user goes to System>Administration>Printing the following error occurs: The CUPS server could not be contacted. Upon receiving this error I executed the following command: sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys restart It said that restarting cupsd was successful but when the user returned to the Printing menu the same error popped up. I restarted the computer and the error remains. Any ideas as to what could be the problem and how to fix it? Thanks in advance! -Paul -- Paul VanGundy Information Technology Director Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 x219 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Sun Dec 4 04:31:42 2005 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 23:31:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Introduction and questions In-Reply-To: <43926FDA.5030909@rogueriver.k12.or.us> References: <43926FDA.5030909@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1133670703.9201.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mike, To lock down desktops Gnome try Sabayon http://www.gnome.org/projects/sabayon/ This tool is like the Kiosk utility for KDE but for Gnome. You will need to install both sabayon and sabayon-admin. You can do this by using yum (yum install sabayon, yum install sabayon-admin. Hope this helps. -Paul On Sat, 2005-12-03 at 20:26 -0800, Mike Ely wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm Mike Ely. Just started up as the Technology Specialist for Rogue > River School District #35 down here in Southern Oregon, and one of my > top priorities is getting a student lab up and running at our middle > school just in time for online state testing to be completed. > > I've done LTSP before in a school district, but previously did most of > the work myself as I used SuSE in order to take advantage of its tighter > KDE integration and the most excellent Kiosk API that comes with that > (and incidentally, was able to get linux to respect Active Directory > group membership when choosing a skel directory for new user logins). > In this case I really don't have a lot of time to build something from > scratch, and have been meaning to try an education-specific distro > anyhow, so this effort gets my nod. > > I'm wondering if anyone here has information related to desktop lockdown > for this distribution (I'm really rusty with Gnome, as I haven't used it > at all on the desktop ever since the "spatial browsing" situation > manifested). I'd like student users to get a very limited desktop (that > I define) and not be able to goof around with it - they can save their > documents to a network share - and am willing to allow staff users > access to more of a default general-purpose desktop. My current > environment is fairly straightforward: we have a Samba 3 domain for > 'doze clients, not nearly enough Macs, and for this particular server, > all the student users will be logging in with the same domain account. > This presents a potential difficulty with regard to Firefox and also > with OpenOffice, as my recollection was that both of those applications > really didn't much like being launched more than once by a given user. > > If anyone's seen solutions to the particular problems I've mentioned > above, I'd love the opportunity to avoid re-inventing the wheel, and > also if anyone wants more information about the things I did with LTSP > before (especially with regard to AD integration), I'll be more than > happy to answer. I look forward to working with this list. > > Cheers, > Mike Ely > Technology Specialist, > Rogue River School District #35 > Rogue River, OR 97537 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Paul VanGundy Information Technology Director Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 x219 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Sun Dec 4 04:37:08 2005 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 20:37:08 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] *CUPS Printing Error* In-Reply-To: <1133670467.9201.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1133670467.9201.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <43927274.3000106@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Paul VanGundy wrote: > All, > > I am receiving an error on one of our Ubuntu 5.10 boxes. When a user > goes to System>Administration>Printing the following error occurs: > > The CUPS server could not be contacted. > > Upon receiving this error I executed the following command: > > sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys restart > > It said that restarting cupsd was successful but when the user returned > to the Printing menu the same error popped up. I restarted the computer > and the error remains. Any ideas as to what could be the problem and how > to fix it? Thanks in advance! > > -Paul > Paul, Did you check the contents of /var/log/cups/error_log on both sides of the connection? I've often found that the issue is something relatively simple like an outdated hosts entry, and such things are made very clear in the logfiles. Good hunting, Mike From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Sun Dec 4 04:47:29 2005 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 20:47:29 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Introduction and questions In-Reply-To: <1133670703.9201.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <43926FDA.5030909@rogueriver.k12.or.us> <1133670703.9201.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <439274E1.3040008@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Paul VanGundy wrote: > Mike, > > To lock down desktops Gnome try Sabayon > http://www.gnome.org/projects/sabayon/ > > This tool is like the Kiosk utility for KDE but for Gnome. You will need > to install both sabayon and sabayon-admin. You can do this by using yum > (yum install sabayon, yum install sabayon-admin. Hope this helps. > > -Paul > Thanks Paul. Looks pretty nice. I may try it, or I may KDE-ify my default desktop - depends upon which one is easier in the short and long term for me. Incidentally, has anyone on this list heard of any effort to "port" K12OS etc. to other distros? I'd love nothing more than to build a SuSE 10 box and go "rpm -ivh K12ltspserver.4.4.1-suse10.i386.rpm." Maybe if I get time later in the year... Cheers, Mike From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Dec 4 05:13:02 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 21:13:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Introduction and questions] In-Reply-To: <439274E1.3040008@rogueriver.k12.or.us> References: <43926FDA.5030909@rogueriver.k12.or.us> <1133670703.9201.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <439274E1.3040008@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Message-ID: Hi Mike! On Sat, 3 Dec 2005, Mike Ely wrote: > Incidentally, has anyone on this list heard of any effort to "port" K12OS etc. > to other distros? I'd love nothing more than to build a SuSE 10 box and go > "rpm -ivh K12ltspserver.4.4.1-suse10.i386.rpm." Maybe if I get time later in > the year... I've been working on making LTSP/K12LTSP portable to other distros for some time now. Here is the basic idea: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/MueKow and here is the first implementation: http://www.edubuntu.org/ Debian now has a port of the Ubuntu packages. I intend to do a Fedora/RedHat port in my free-time. [of which I have none] I chatted with Nat Friedman from Novell yesterday, but didn't get a chance to corner him about adding LTSP support into SUSE ;-) -Eric From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Sun Dec 4 05:40:33 2005 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 00:40:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP...My Opinion Message-ID: <1133674833.8803.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> WARNING: The following is my opinion and is based off of my experiences :) All, I am finding that K12LTSP is quite exceptional at the primary education level. The games and applications available to students at that age are broad and deep. However, I am finding that K12LTSP isn't very robust for our high school level students. K12LTSP is quite "kiddish" to most of our high school students as they see TuxPaint, TuxType and the Mr. Potato Head type games. Granted, I can deselect the packages that I don't wish to be installed but then what am I left with? LTSP. I am currently getting Ubuntu LTSP up and running and it is going very well. I believe that Ubuntu LTSP will fit in quite well in our high school (besides, I like debian based distros GO APT-GET! :)) as I will then install and configure applications that will meet the needs of our high school students. Why am I even emailing this you may ask? I am curious as to other users experience with K12LTSP in their high schools...or even if any of you use it in your high schools. I hear of it being used a lot in the elementary and middle school levels. Granted, I have been to Exeter, NH where they use it in one of their high schools but it resembles LTSP more than K12LTSP. Those that have Linux in your high schools, do you do stand alones, LTSP, or K12LTSP? Thanks. -Paul -- Paul VanGundy Information Technology Director Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Sun Dec 4 05:45:06 2005 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 00:45:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] *CUPS Printing Error* Message-ID: <1133675107.8803.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mike, After reviewing /var/log/cups/error_log (kudos Mike, I didn't even think of that) it says the following: I [04/Dec/2005:00:39:45 -0500] Listening to 0:631 I [04/Dec/2005:00:39:45 -0500] Loaded configuration file "/etc/cups/cupsd.conf" I [04/Dec/2005:00:39:45 -0500] Configured for up to 100 clients. I [04/Dec/2005:00:39:45 -0500] Allowing up to 100 client connections per host. I [04/Dec/2005:00:39:45 -0500] Full reload is required. I [04/Dec/2005:00:39:46 -0500] LoadPPDs: Read "/etc/cups/ppds.dat", 4104 PPDs... I [04/Dec/2005:00:39:47 -0500] LoadPPDs: No new or changed PPDs... I [04/Dec/2005:00:39:47 -0500] Full reload complete. Everything looks fine and when I go to the terminal shell and type lpr a CUPS test page prints out on both printers I have hooked up to my Linux box. By the way, I am running Ubuntu 5.10. Any other suggestions Mike, anyone? -Paul -- Paul VanGundy Information Technology Director Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us From les at futuresource.com Sun Dec 4 05:47:12 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 23:47:12 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Introduction and questions In-Reply-To: <43926FDA.5030909@rogueriver.k12.or.us> References: <43926FDA.5030909@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1133675232.19042.6.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2005-12-03 at 22:26, Mike Ely wrote: > My current > environment is fairly straightforward: we have a Samba 3 domain for > 'doze clients, not nearly enough Macs, and for this particular server, > all the student users will be logging in with the same domain account. > This presents a potential difficulty with regard to Firefox and also > with OpenOffice, as my recollection was that both of those applications > really didn't much like being launched more than once by a given user. That seems like a particularly bad idea since anyone will be able to delete everyone else's saved work, aside from the problems you mention. But if you can't set up individual logins, how about having each workstation auto-login with its own account to avoid conflicts with running programs that expect to have unique files in their $HOME directory? -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Dec 4 05:51:05 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 21:51:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Edubuntu on Slashdot In-Reply-To: <20051204035731.4082.qmail@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051204035731.4082.qmail@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 3 Dec 2005, Chris Thomas wrote: > Here is the link > http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/05/12/03/1759224.shtml?tid=146&tid=106 > > > I wonder if it includes LTSP like the regular Ubuntu. Edubuntu uses all of the packages from Ubuntu (including the LTSP bits), but with a few additional packages and a few changes to make it as K12LTSP-ish as possible[1]. If I had to wager a guess, the next releases of Ubuntu and Edubuntu will be almost identical and after that they will be one and the same. The whole point of the "MueKow" LTSP concept is to make LTSP easy to integrate easily into different distrbutions[2]: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/MueKow In case you can't tell, I am REALLY PLEASED to see Ubuntu funding this work that will make it easier to integrate LTSP into other distributions ;-) -Eric [1] my recent trips to Sydney and Montreal were for this puropse. [2] Note that Mark Shuttleworth from Ubuntu has a big investment into K12LTSP in the form of the Shuttleworth Foundation's South African "Tux Labs". Do not worry about my joy of Ubuntu's support: the founder of Ubuntu also has a vested interest in our K12LTSP community. This is a very good thing for all of us. From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Sun Dec 4 06:02:04 2005 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 22:02:04 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Introduction and questions In-Reply-To: <1133675232.19042.6.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <43926FDA.5030909@rogueriver.k12.or.us> <1133675232.19042.6.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <4392865C.1050406@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Les Mikesell wrote: > On Sat, 2005-12-03 at 22:26, Mike Ely wrote: >> My current >> environment is fairly straightforward: we have a Samba 3 domain for >> 'doze clients, not nearly enough Macs, and for this particular server, >> all the student users will be logging in with the same domain account. >> This presents a potential difficulty with regard to Firefox and also >> with OpenOffice, as my recollection was that both of those applications >> really didn't much like being launched more than once by a given user. > > That seems like a particularly bad idea since anyone will be able > to delete everyone else's saved work, aside from the problems > you mention. But if you can't set up individual logins, how > about having each workstation auto-login with its own account > to avoid conflicts with running programs that expect to have > unique files in their $HOME directory? > For starters, that will probably work, and I intend to create student accounts as soon as time allows, but in general I really prefer that any computer can access any set of files, as my experience has been that assigning students to computers creates sometimes-unsurmountable hassles when the lab is over-full, a machine breaks down, or teachers decide to move the kids around for student management reasons. I've got a little bit of time - the lab is going to be exclusively used to run Firefox for state online testing for a few weeks, and I'll make it clear that document saving will be unreliable during that time period. Once student accounts are setup, I will rewrite my old "slayer" initscript that scans for sessions owned by generic student accounts every ten seconds and runs "slay" on them if it finds any. Very lightweight shellscript that does a fine job. Cheers, Mike PS: Does anyone else think that "running programs that expect to have unique files in their $HOME directory" is an example of developer sloppiness? I can see the use for it in, say, a mail client, but a word proccessor? Web browser? Please! fork(), tee, etc. (not to mention if loops), are there for a reason! From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Dec 4 06:05:26 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 22:05:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP...My Opinion In-Reply-To: <1133674833.8803.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1133674833.8803.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Sun, 4 Dec 2005, Paul VanGundy wrote: > WARNING: The following is my opinion and is based off of my > experiences :) > > All, > > I am finding that K12LTSP is quite exceptional at the primary education > level. The games and applications available to students at that age are > broad and deep. However, I am finding that K12LTSP isn't very robust for > our high school level students. K12LTSP is quite "kiddish" to most of > our high school students as they see TuxPaint, TuxType and the Mr. > Potato Head type games. Granted, I can deselect the packages that I > don't wish to be installed but then what am I left with? LTSP. > > I am currently getting Ubuntu LTSP up and running and it is going very > well. I believe that Ubuntu LTSP will fit in quite well in our high > school (besides, I like debian based distros GO APT-GET! :)) as I will > then install and configure applications that will meet the needs of our > high school students. > > Why am I even emailing this you may ask? I am curious as to other users > experience with K12LTSP in their high schools...or even if any of you > use it in your high schools. I hear of it being used a lot in the > elementary and middle school levels. Granted, I have been to Exeter, NH > where they use it in one of their high schools but it resembles LTSP > more than K12LTSP. Those that have Linux in your high schools, do you do > stand alones, LTSP, or K12LTSP? Thanks. Please enlighten me ;-) If you remove the "kiddish" packages: TuxPaint, TuxType, etc, how do you perceive that K12LTSP is different from Ubuntu? >From my experience (I have Ubuntu on my laptop, obviously know K12LTSP quite well), there is very little difference to the end user. I have had people tell me the difference is that one is blue and one is brown ;-) -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Dec 4 06:10:52 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 22:10:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Introduction and questions In-Reply-To: <4392865C.1050406@rogueriver.k12.or.us> References: <43926FDA.5030909@rogueriver.k12.or.us> <1133675232.19042.6.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <4392865C.1050406@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Message-ID: On Sat, 3 Dec 2005, Mike Ely wrote: > I've got a little bit of time - the lab is going to be exclusively used >to run Firefox for state online testing for a few weeks Which Oregon state online testing, TESA or ELPA? -Eric From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Sun Dec 4 06:13:32 2005 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 22:13:32 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Introduction and questions In-Reply-To: References: <43926FDA.5030909@rogueriver.k12.or.us> <1133675232.19042.6.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <4392865C.1050406@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <4392890C.4000206@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Eric Harrison wrote: > On Sat, 3 Dec 2005, Mike Ely wrote: > >> I've got a little bit of time - the lab is going to be exclusively used >> to run Firefox for state online testing for a few weeks > > Which Oregon state online testing, TESA or ELPA? > TESA. We can handle the more-limited number of ELPA tests without needing to build a new lab. Mike From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Sun Dec 4 06:14:12 2005 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 01:14:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP...My Opinion In-Reply-To: References: <1133674833.8803.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1133676852.9893.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Eric, That's kind of my point. In high schools, when you get rid of the kiddish packages it is in essence LTSP instead of K12LTSP. So why install K12LTSP in high schools in the first place instead of just your version of Linux (SuSE, Ubuntu, Red Hat, etc.) and the LTSP packages? I'm not so much comparing distros, I am really asking if anyone uses K12LTSP in high schools and if so why instead of LTSP? Ease of installation possibly? Maybe I'm not explaining what I am trying to ask very well. -Paul PS - And the difference is one is rpm based (Fedora) and the other is deb based (Ubuntu). One has smaller repositories (Fedora/yum) than the other (Ubuntu/apt-get) :) hehe On Sat, 2005-12-03 at 22:05 -0800, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Sun, 4 Dec 2005, Paul VanGundy wrote: > > > WARNING: The following is my opinion and is based off of my > > experiences :) > > > > All, > > > > I am finding that K12LTSP is quite exceptional at the primary education > > level. The games and applications available to students at that age are > > broad and deep. However, I am finding that K12LTSP isn't very robust for > > our high school level students. K12LTSP is quite "kiddish" to most of > > our high school students as they see TuxPaint, TuxType and the Mr. > > Potato Head type games. Granted, I can deselect the packages that I > > don't wish to be installed but then what am I left with? LTSP. > > > > I am currently getting Ubuntu LTSP up and running and it is going very > > well. I believe that Ubuntu LTSP will fit in quite well in our high > > school (besides, I like debian based distros GO APT-GET! :)) as I will > > then install and configure applications that will meet the needs of our > > high school students. > > > > Why am I even emailing this you may ask? I am curious as to other users > > experience with K12LTSP in their high schools...or even if any of you > > use it in your high schools. I hear of it being used a lot in the > > elementary and middle school levels. Granted, I have been to Exeter, NH > > where they use it in one of their high schools but it resembles LTSP > > more than K12LTSP. Those that have Linux in your high schools, do you do > > stand alones, LTSP, or K12LTSP? Thanks. > > Please enlighten me ;-) > > If you remove the "kiddish" packages: TuxPaint, TuxType, etc, how do > you perceive that K12LTSP is different from Ubuntu? > > >From my experience (I have Ubuntu on my laptop, obviously know K12LTSP > quite well), there is very little difference to the end user. I have had > people tell me the difference is that one is blue and one is brown ;-) > > -Eric From les at futuresource.com Sun Dec 4 06:23:20 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 00:23:20 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Introduction and questions In-Reply-To: <4392865C.1050406@rogueriver.k12.or.us> References: <43926FDA.5030909@rogueriver.k12.or.us> <1133675232.19042.6.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <4392865C.1050406@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1133677400.19042.31.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2005-12-04 at 00:02, Mike Ely wrote: > > But if you can't set up individual logins, how > > about having each workstation auto-login with its own account > > to avoid conflicts with running programs that expect to have > > unique files in their $HOME directory? > > > > For starters, that will probably work, and I intend to create student > accounts as soon as time allows, but in general I really prefer that any > computer can access any set of files, as my experience has been that > assigning students to computers creates sometimes-unsurmountable hassles > when the lab is over-full, a machine breaks down, or teachers decide to > move the kids around for student management reasons. If you are running thin clients on the same server or have a common /home NFS mounted, any user can log into his own account anywhere and access his own files. This may be a problem if you have users trying to share a computer without logging out/in as they switch. > PS: Does anyone else think that "running programs that expect to have > unique files in their $HOME directory" is an example of developer > sloppiness? I can see the use for it in, say, a mail client, but a word > proccessor? Web browser? Please! fork(), tee, etc. (not to mention if > loops), are there for a reason! Storing user preferences in his own $HOME has been the unix way of doing things from the beginning of time. I can't imagine why you would want user-specific data anywhere else. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Sun Dec 4 06:34:02 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 00:34:02 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP...My Opinion In-Reply-To: <1133676852.9893.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1133674833.8803.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1133676852.9893.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1133678042.19042.43.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2005-12-04 at 00:14, Paul VanGundy wrote: > I'm not so much comparing distros, I am really asking if anyone uses > K12LTSP in high schools and if so why instead of LTSP? Ease of > installation possibly? Maybe I'm not explaining what I am trying to ask > very well. Yes, having the package integrated into the distribution so it just comes up working and updates automatically along with everything else with a 'yum update' is a huge win over having to add, configure and maintain packages from other sources. > PS - And the difference is one is rpm based (Fedora) and the other is > deb based (Ubuntu). One has smaller repositories (Fedora/yum) than the > other (Ubuntu/apt-get) :) hehe I think you can find almost anything you'd want in third party yum-compatible repositories. I've never been able to figure out the versioning concept in debian based distros to know what is safe to mix. Backuppc and RT are the two things I've seen built for debian that I'd like to see in RPM form but at the time I saw them, they weren't really up to date. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Dec 4 06:43:01 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 22:43:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Introduction and questions In-Reply-To: <4392890C.4000206@rogueriver.k12.or.us> References: <43926FDA.5030909@rogueriver.k12.or.us> <1133675232.19042.6.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <4392865C.1050406@rogueriver.k12.or.us> <4392890C.4000206@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Message-ID: On Sat, 3 Dec 2005, Mike Ely wrote: > Eric Harrison wrote: >> On Sat, 3 Dec 2005, Mike Ely wrote: >> >>> I've got a little bit of time - the lab is going to be exclusively used >>> to run Firefox for state online testing for a few weeks >> >> Which Oregon state online testing, TESA or ELPA? >> > > TESA. We can handle the more-limited number of ELPA tests without needing to > build a new lab. I've been doing a lot of TESA hacking and *should* have a good solution for you. This is only tested on Fedora (3 & 4), Red Hat EL (3 & 4) and CentOS (3 & 4). Odds are greater than 50% that it will work on SUSE ;-) Everything below here assumes that you are using K12LTSP thin clients (on Fedora, RedHat, or CentOS) As previous emails have stated, at a minimum you need a unique account per concurrent tester. Some of the schools I support use "tesa1", "tesa2", etc. Worstation 1 uses tesa1, workstation 2 uses tesa2, etc (taped to the monitors, or whatever works for you). It doesn't really mater the name of the accounts, as long as they are unique (most have per-student accounts ;-) For generic accounts: After creating generic accounts, and following the "TESA" install instructions below, at the K12LTSP login screen select the "TESA" session and log in as the generic account (tesa1, tesa2, etc). This will set the default session for that account. For "per-student" accounts: Have them select the "TESA" session before logging in to take a TESA test. Here are the release notes I sent out to my "beta" users. This assumes that you are familiar with the official Vantage "secure" browser in specific and K12LTSP/multi-user systems in general. Don't be afraid to ask questions if any of this does not make sense and/or doesn't work for you ;-) ---- I have my hacked version of the TESA browser ready for testing. This should have similiar behavior to the official Vantage Linux secure browser, with the following enhancements: * It uses Firefox or Mozilla, depending on what you have installed, which gives nice anti-aliased fonts. MUCH EASIER to read than the Vantage browser * It only uses about a megabyte of disk space, and all users share a single copy. * Users are automagically registered, you don't have to do the registration process for every single user. This is at the "works for me" stage, your mileage may vary. I've tested this on Fedora Core 4 and CentOS 4. I've only tested with GDM, but KDM should work as well. Requirements: wget openmotif firefox or mozilla Usage: This works like my previous setup, the script creates a login session named TESA. If you select the TESA session and log in, it will startup firefox or mozilla using the Vantage chrome and will refuse to do anything else until you exit the browser, at which time the user will be logged out. The behavoir of the browser & window manager should be fairly close to that of the official Vanguard secure browser. There is no special setup, the user is automatically configured and registered to access TESA when they log into the TESA session. Installation: wget http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/tesa/ff/tesa-install.sh sh ./tesa-install.sh No additional configuration is required. Once the install script completes it should be ready to use. From les at futuresource.com Sun Dec 4 06:40:35 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 00:40:35 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP...My Opinion In-Reply-To: <1133676852.9893.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1133674833.8803.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1133676852.9893.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1133678434.19042.49.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2005-12-04 at 00:14, Paul VanGundy wrote: > > I am really asking if anyone uses > K12LTSP in high schools and if so why instead of LTSP? By the way, one of the k12ltsp versions is based on Centos4 which is a rock-solid server disto if you don't need the very latest apps included in FC4. I'm not sure if it is obvious where to find it unless you search the mail archive: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.1EL/iso/ Or if you prefer rsync: rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-EL/* . -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Sun Dec 4 06:42:55 2005 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 22:42:55 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Introduction and questions In-Reply-To: <1133677400.19042.31.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <43926FDA.5030909@rogueriver.k12.or.us> <1133675232.19042.6.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <4392865C.1050406@rogueriver.k12.or.us> <1133677400.19042.31.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <43928FEF.2090603@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Les Mikesell wrote: > Storing user preferences in his own $HOME has been the unix way > of doing things from the beginning of time. I can't imagine > why you would want user-specific data anywhere else. > I wouldn't. On the other hand, what happens in the case of Firefox(/mozilla/netscape/camino/etc) is that it touches a file called "lock" in the active profile when it's loaded, and doesn't remove the lockfile until the profile is unloaded - i.e.: the user quits firefox. This to my mind is a bit more than is needed. A more-elegant solution to me would be to have the lockfile created just before writing to prefs.js or bookmarks or whatever, and then releasing the lock after write. In the odd occurance that two users tried to write to the same file at that particular millisecond, the second write would simply queue for write. You'd have to write a catch for race conditions and loops, but that wouldn't be difficult, and would make FF a lot easier to deploy in such thin-client settings. OpenOffice is a whole other ball of wax. My recollection about OOo fighting with me was that it writes a ton of stuff to /tmp on load and stores state information there while the program's being used. Again, no reason to not check for and create instances. Point is, I totally agree with storing configuration in $HOME, but state info (including lockfiles) can and really ought to not prevent secondary instances under the same credentials. Cheers, Mike From les at futuresource.com Sun Dec 4 06:54:56 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 00:54:56 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Introduction and questions In-Reply-To: <43928FEF.2090603@rogueriver.k12.or.us> References: <43926FDA.5030909@rogueriver.k12.or.us> <1133675232.19042.6.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <4392865C.1050406@rogueriver.k12.or.us> <1133677400.19042.31.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <43928FEF.2090603@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1133679295.19042.59.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2005-12-04 at 00:42, Mike Ely wrote: > > Storing user preferences in his own $HOME has been the unix way > > of doing things from the beginning of time. I can't imagine > > why you would want user-specific data anywhere else. > > > > I wouldn't. On the other hand, what happens in the case of > Firefox(/mozilla/netscape/camino/etc) is that it touches a file called > "lock" in the active profile when it's loaded, and doesn't remove the > lockfile until the profile is unloaded - i.e.: the user quits firefox. > This to my mind is a bit more than is needed. This may be related to the trick firefox plays if you try to start another instance of the program in the same X session. It instead tells the running copy to pop open a new window. > Point is, I totally agree with storing configuration in $HOME, but state > info (including lockfiles) can and really ought to not prevent secondary > instances under the same credentials. The usual trick for instances that shouldn't use your real files (like test instances or pretending you have users that don't exist) is to export HOME pointing to some other writable space in the shell that starts the program. That is, use the mechanism to do what you want instead of fighting with it. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Dec 4 07:16:27 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 23:16:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP...My Opinion In-Reply-To: <1133676852.9893.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1133674833.8803.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1133676852.9893.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Sun, 4 Dec 2005, Paul VanGundy wrote: > Eric, > > That's kind of my point. In high schools, when you get rid of the > kiddish packages it is in essence LTSP instead of K12LTSP. So why > install K12LTSP in high schools in the first place instead of just your > version of Linux (SuSE, Ubuntu, Red Hat, etc.) and the LTSP packages? > I'm not so much comparing distros, I am really asking if anyone uses > K12LTSP in high schools and if so why instead of LTSP? Ease of > installation possibly? Maybe I'm not explaining what I am trying to ask > very well. It is best to think of K12LTSP as an "easy-to-install implementation" of LTSP, with education-orientated apps and tweaks. I'm too beat to dig up the links right now, but many times in the past I've argued quite loudly that "K12LTSP is not a Linux distribution!" If you prefer to use SuSE, Ubuntu, Red Hat, etc plus the LTSP packages rather than K12LTSP, that is GREAT! K12LTSP tries really hard to support as many needs as possible, and to make it as easy as possible to support the needs we can not support ;-) -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Dec 4 07:32:59 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 23:32:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Desktop Linux developer's summit In-Reply-To: <438C940B.4040101@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <438C940B.4040101@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: On Tue, 29 Nov 2005, Eric Harrison wrote: > This week the Open Source Development Labs here in Portland will be > hosting a desktop Linux developer's summit. Jim McQuillan and I will be > attending ;-) > > http://www.oregonlive.com/business/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/business/113323 > 6522229150.xml&coll=7 Here is Dan Kegel's write-up of the event: http://kegel.com/osdl/da05.html Dan pretty much sums up what I would have written about he formal portions of the meetings. There were a few "informal" meetings that I had and personal observations that I'll try to write up in the next couple of days. The slides I hacked up are at: http://groups.osdl.org/apps/group_public/download.php/1699/k12ltsp.pdf and Jim's are at: http://groups.osdl.org/apps/group_public/download.php/1703/ltsp.pdf -Eric From edward at netday.org.za Sun Dec 4 10:01:43 2005 From: edward at netday.org.za (Edward Holcroft) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 12:01:43 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP...My Opinion In-Reply-To: References: <1133674833.8803.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1133676852.9893.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On 04 Dec 2005, at 9:16 AM, Eric Harrison wrote: > > It is best to think of K12LTSP as an "easy-to-install > implementation" of > LTSP, with education-orientated apps and tweaks. I'm too beat to > dig up > the links right now, but many times in the past I've argued quite > loudly > that "K12LTSP is not a Linux distribution!" Certainly a very humble approach Eric, considering there are folk out there who's claim to fame is that they have created a new distro the moment they have slapped LTSP on top of anything that runs a Linux kernel. We are about to install our fiftieth school computer lab with K12LTSP in South Africa in January and are planning a bit of a party to celebrate the event. I'll make sure I get some pics up on our website early next year. cheers ed > > If you prefer to use SuSE, Ubuntu, Red Hat, etc plus the LTSP packages > rather than K12LTSP, that is GREAT! K12LTSP tries really hard to > support > as many needs as possible, and to make it as easy as possible to > support > the needs we can not support ;-) > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From edward at netday.org.za Sun Dec 4 10:18:41 2005 From: edward at netday.org.za (Edward Holcroft) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 12:18:41 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Edubuntu on Slashdot In-Reply-To: References: <20051204035731.4082.qmail@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <719DCF67-1585-48F7-B95F-9CFFA297AEC1@netday.org.za> On 04 Dec 2005, at 7:51 AM, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Sat, 3 Dec 2005, Chris Thomas wrote: > >> Here is the link >> http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/05/12/03/1759224.shtml? >> tid=146&tid=106 >> >> >> I wonder if it includes LTSP like the regular Ubuntu. > > Edubuntu uses all of the packages from Ubuntu (including the LTSP > bits), > but with a few additional packages and a few changes to make it as > K12LTSP-ish as possible[1]. You're too kind Eric. Right now the current release of Edubuntu offers nowhere near the ease of setup and additional functionality that you have built into K12LTSP. I found the release altogether disappointing, considering the hype around it. There is no earthly way I could expect rural newbie educators to actually get Edubuntu working as a thin client server in its current form. On the other hand, they can and do get K12LTSP up and running with ease. cheers ed From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sun Dec 4 15:43:53 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 10:43:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP...My Opinion In-Reply-To: <1133674833.8803.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1133674833.8803.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: So...you're not using IceWM? That's the first mistake. You really should. IceWM is MUCH faster and YOU set up the menus. Did you attend my session at the McAuliffe conference on K12LTSP? I showed my own server with IceWM running as the desktop mgr....with the menu that I configured. Simple to do and thus in your case you can simply leave out the games you don't want to show. Remember...Ubuntu (which Rocks by the way)....K12LTSP....or for that matter...LTSP on any distro can be made to look and act like any other distro from an end users standpoint. But...seriously....if you want speed and configurability....use IceWM I have posted my presentations from the McAuliffe conference online....if you download the K12LTSP one....my screenshots are on slides 41 & 42....now remember, I have a K-8 school so it looks elementary, but it does show how one can simply make their own menus (the whole menu on slide 42 was made by me...and it's EASY). I've also included my Ubuntu slide show. BTW you can also use SMEG to configure your Gnome menus. I use icecc or icemc to do my IceWM menus (which are simply a text file anyway located in /usr/share/icewm)...both icecc and icemc are GUI's that come with K12LTSP and also can be installed on others. Slide shows are here: http://www.vcsvikings.org/presentations/ download either the OpenOffice version or the PowerPoint version vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us on Sun Dec 4 2005 at 00:40 +0000 wrote: >WARNING: The following is my opinion and is based off of my >experiences :) > >All, > >I am finding that K12LTSP is quite exceptional at the primary education >level. The games and applications available to students at that age are >broad and deep. However, I am finding that K12LTSP isn't very robust for >our high school level students. K12LTSP is quite "kiddish" to most of >our high school students as they see TuxPaint, TuxType and the Mr. >Potato Head type games. Granted, I can deselect the packages that I >don't wish to be installed but then what am I left with? LTSP. > >I am currently getting Ubuntu LTSP up and running and it is going very >well. I believe that Ubuntu LTSP will fit in quite well in our high >school (besides, I like debian based distros GO APT-GET! :)) as I will >then install and configure applications that will meet the needs of our >high school students. > >Why am I even emailing this you may ask? I am curious as to other users >experience with K12LTSP in their high schools...or even if any of you >use it in your high schools. I hear of it being used a lot in the >elementary and middle school levels. Granted, I have been to Exeter, NH >where they use it in one of their high schools but it resembles LTSP >more than K12LTSP. Those that have Linux in your high schools, do you do >stand alones, LTSP, or K12LTSP? Thanks. > >-Paul > >-- >Paul VanGundy >Information Technology Director >Epping High School >Epping Middle School >P: 603.679.5472 >F: 603.679.2966 >vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sun Dec 4 15:59:28 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 10:59:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP...My Opinion In-Reply-To: <1133676852.9893.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1133674833.8803.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> < > <1133676852.9893.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us on Sun Dec 4 2005 at 01:14 +0000 wrote: >PS - And the difference is one is rpm based (Fedora) and the other is >deb based (Ubuntu). One has smaller repositories (Fedora/yum) than the >other (Ubuntu/apt-get) :) hehe Ummm....Trust me Eric knows how Ubuntu works....we were roomies in Montreal and he runs Ubuntu on his laptop which happens to be an HP zv5000 (just like mine) ;-) We all love and use Ubuntu, but seriously...for right now....K12LTSP is the more mature product. All you need to do is edit your menus so the "kiddish" programs don't show up...that's all. No need to uninstall....simply don't show them. In fact, if you do your own menus you can get rid of all the "system stuff" that the kids don't need to know is there. check the wiki for how to make IceWM the default....or email me and I'll run you through it. :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community Sc dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sun Dec 4 16:00:59 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 11:00:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP...My Opinion In-Reply-To: <1133678042.19042.43.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <1133674833.8803.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> < > < > <1133676852.9893.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1133678042.19042.43.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Sun Dec 4 2005 at 01:34 +0000 wrote: >Backuppc and RT are the two things >I've seen built for debian that I'd like to see in RPM form >but at the time I saw them, they weren't really up to date. Les dude...we know you too well....I knew you couldn't post this without mentioning Backuppc! LOL! :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Sun Dec 4 16:02:53 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 11:02:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP...My Opinion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Sun Dec 4 2005 at 05:01 +0000 wrote: >We are about to install our fiftieth school computer lab with K12LTSP >in South Africa in January and are planning a bit of a party to >celebrate the event. I'll make sure I get some pics up on our website >early next year. Please do! :-) Let us know where they are when you post them! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Dec 4 17:43:19 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 09:43:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Edubuntu on Slashdot In-Reply-To: <719DCF67-1585-48F7-B95F-9CFFA297AEC1@netday.org.za> References: <20051204035731.4082.qmail@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <719DCF67-1585-48F7-B95F-9CFFA297AEC1@netday.org.za> Message-ID: On Sun, 4 Dec 2005, Edward Holcroft wrote: > On 04 Dec 2005, at 7:51 AM, Eric Harrison wrote: > >> On Sat, 3 Dec 2005, Chris Thomas wrote: >> >>> Here is the link >>> http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/05/12/03/1759224.shtml?tid=146&tid=106 >>> >>> >>> I wonder if it includes LTSP like the regular Ubuntu. >> >> Edubuntu uses all of the packages from Ubuntu (including the LTSP bits), >> but with a few additional packages and a few changes to make it as >> K12LTSP-ish as possible[1]. > > You're too kind Eric. Right now the current release of Edubuntu offers nowhere > near the ease of setup and additional functionality that you have built into > K12LTSP. I found the release altogether disappointing, considering the hype > around it. There is no earthly way I could expect rural newbie educators to > actually get Edubuntu working as a thin client server in its current form. On > the other hand, they can and do get K12LTSP up and running with ease. True, but give them credit for what they have accomplished. Being a developer, I see things a little differently. I am very impressed with how much they have accomplished in such a short period of time. Much of the work is under-the-covers infrastructure, you can't see it today but it will matter tomorrow. If they continue to develop at such a rapid rate, they may very well catch up with the polish of K12LTSP in their next release. Even if Edubuntu never meets or exceeds the easy-of-use of K12LTSP, I'll still give them a huge amount of credit for helping us redesign LTSP. In the medium-to-long run that alone should save me a lot of work in maintaining K12LTSP. This is one of great things about free software. K12LTSP and Edubuntu are "direct competitors", but if we work together we are both better off. -Eric From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Sun Dec 4 17:42:34 2005 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 09:42:34 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Edubuntu on Slashdot In-Reply-To: References: <20051204035731.4082.qmail@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <719DCF67-1585-48F7-B95F-9CFFA297AEC1@netday.org.za> Message-ID: <43932A8A.7000708@rogueriver.k12.or.us> > Even if Edubuntu never meets or exceeds the easy-of-use of K12LTSP, > I'll still give them a huge amount of credit for helping us redesign > LTSP. In the medium-to-long run that alone should save me a lot of > work in maintaining K12LTSP. > Out of curiosity, what sorts of design changes did they put forward? Mike From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Sun Dec 4 17:45:33 2005 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 12:45:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP...My Opinion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1133718333.10210.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> All, Again, I am not complaining about K12LTSP, I am just trying to see what high schools use. I am not for or against K12LTSP, not talking about what's more mature, not saying Ubuntu is better, I know how to edit menus, etc. We have K12LTSP running in one of our schools right now authenticating against a Windows ADS and it's awesome. I am just simply asking what other high schools use: A Linux distro of their choice with LTSP or K12LTSP. I have heard people talk about using K12LTSP in their elementary school and middle school settings but never in a high school setting. That's all I am wondering. -Paul -- Paul VanGundy Information Technology Director Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us On Sun, 2005-12-04 at 11:02 -0500, David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Sun Dec 4 2005 at 05:01 +0000 wrote: > >We are about to install our fiftieth school computer lab with K12LTSP > >in South Africa in January and are planning a bit of a party to > >celebrate the event. I'll make sure I get some pics up on our website > >early next year. > > Please do! :-) Let us know where they are when you post them! > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Dec 4 17:59:25 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 09:59:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Edubuntu on Slashdot In-Reply-To: <43932A8A.7000708@rogueriver.k12.or.us> References: <20051204035731.4082.qmail@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <719DCF67-1585-48F7-B95F-9CFFA297AEC1@netday.org.za> <43932A8A.7000708@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Message-ID: On Sun, 4 Dec 2005, Mike Ely wrote: >> Even if Edubuntu never meets or exceeds the easy-of-use of K12LTSP, >> I'll still give them a huge amount of credit for helping us redesign >> LTSP. In the medium-to-long run that alone should save me a lot of >> work in maintaining K12LTSP. >> > > Out of curiosity, what sorts of design changes did they put forward? The main thing has been helping us LTSP developers with our "MueKow" project: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/MueKow Edubuntu contains the first implementation of the "MueKow" concept. -Eric From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Sun Dec 4 17:58:37 2005 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 12:58:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP...My Opinion In-Reply-To: <1133718333.10210.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1133718333.10210.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1133719117.10210.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> David, I was at the Christa McAulliffe conference and was able to swing by your presentation. Quite a full house! It was exciting to see the amount of people that turned out for the open source and Linux courses. Moodle was the big winner though for sure! There were people out in the hallway. I actually had the pleasure myself to present there as well with Matt Oquist. Next year I am hoping to present a course geared more towards network administrators/engineers. My idea was showing individuals how to set up network resources with Linux (DHCP, DNS, Web, LDAP, Samba, etc.). As you might now, I wrote a tutorial on how to get K12LTSP to authenticate against a Windows ADS, automatically create their home folders, and mount Windows network drives which was going like hotcakes. I am currently in the process of writing newer and hopefully easier to understand tutorials on setting up LDAP, Samba, DHCP, DNS, etc services with Linux. I am also working on assistive technologies using Linux for special needs individuals. Anywho, your presentation was great. What I thought was awesome was that Maddog was still able to present...even from South America! ;) -Paul -- Paul VanGundy Information Technology Director Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us On Sun, 2005-12-04 at 12:45 -0500, Paul VanGundy wrote: > All, > > Again, I am not complaining about K12LTSP, I am just trying to see what > high schools use. I am not for or against K12LTSP, not talking about > what's more mature, not saying Ubuntu is better, I know how to edit > menus, etc. We have K12LTSP running in one of our schools right now > authenticating against a Windows ADS and it's awesome. I am just simply > asking what other high schools use: A Linux distro of their choice with > LTSP or K12LTSP. I have heard people talk about using K12LTSP in their > elementary school and middle school settings but never in a high school > setting. That's all I am wondering. > > -Paul > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Dec 4 18:06:40 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 10:06:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP...My Opinion In-Reply-To: <1133718333.10210.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1133718333.10210.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Sun, 4 Dec 2005, Paul VanGundy wrote: > All, > > Again, I am not complaining about K12LTSP, I am just trying to see what > high schools use. I am not for or against K12LTSP, not talking about > what's more mature, not saying Ubuntu is better, I know how to edit > menus, etc. We have K12LTSP running in one of our schools right now > authenticating against a Windows ADS and it's awesome. I am just simply > asking what other high schools use: A Linux distro of their choice with > LTSP or K12LTSP. I have heard people talk about using K12LTSP in their > elementary school and middle school settings but never in a high school > setting. That's all I am wondering. > > -Paul The schools I support use K12LTSP in both elementry/middle schools and high schools. There are a lot more in elementry/middle schools than high schools, but that is due to the fact that there are physically a lot more elementry/middle schools than there are high schools. -Eric From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Sun Dec 4 18:21:52 2005 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 10:21:52 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP...My Opinion In-Reply-To: <1133718333.10210.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1133718333.10210.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <439333C0.7020901@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Paul VanGundy wrote: > All, > > Again, I am not complaining about K12LTSP, I am just trying to see what > high schools use. I am not for or against K12LTSP, not talking about > what's more mature, not saying Ubuntu is better, I know how to edit > menus, etc. We have K12LTSP running in one of our schools right now > authenticating against a Windows ADS and it's awesome. I am just simply > asking what other high schools use: A Linux distro of their choice with > LTSP or K12LTSP. I have heard people talk about using K12LTSP in their > elementary school and middle school settings but never in a high school > setting. That's all I am wondering. > > -Paul > Well, I did build a SuSE 9.2 server a while ago, and installed LTSP on it. My reasons for doing so were various: I wanted to get a strong sense of how LTSP worked; I liked (and still do like) SuSE much better than RedHat; at the time there was nothing even remotely resembling the KDE Kiosk API for Gnome (other than diving headlong into gconf hell - no thanks!); I wanted a general-purpose distro to beat up a bit as I was learning AD auth for linux at the time; and more to the point, I was building a specialized lab for the high- and middle-school students to do two essential tasks on (TESA and wordprocessing), and not a general-purpose computer lab. If you've got a very specific list of applications you want to allow students access to, are comfortable mucking about within your distribution of choice, and perhaps most importantly, have _time_ to work on the project, then my guess is that you'll be happier doing a "pure" LTSP implementation based upon the specific needs of your campus. For my part, I've got a lab that needed to be done two weeks ago, am about to begin my second week of work at this district, and require something running sooner than later, so I'll be leaning more heavily on the work of the K12OS developers in the near term and worry about customizing things later. Cheers, Mike From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Sun Dec 4 18:27:37 2005 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 13:27:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP...My Opinion In-Reply-To: References: <1133718333.10210.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1133720857.10388.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Eric and Mike, Thank you both for feedback. It was very helpful. -Paul -- Paul VanGundy Information Technology Director Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us On Sun, 2005-12-04 at 10:06 -0800, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Sun, 4 Dec 2005, Paul VanGundy wrote: > > > All, > > > > Again, I am not complaining about K12LTSP, I am just trying to see what > > high schools use. I am not for or against K12LTSP, not talking about > > what's more mature, not saying Ubuntu is better, I know how to edit > > menus, etc. We have K12LTSP running in one of our schools right now > > authenticating against a Windows ADS and it's awesome. I am just simply > > asking what other high schools use: A Linux distro of their choice with > > LTSP or K12LTSP. I have heard people talk about using K12LTSP in their > > elementary school and middle school settings but never in a high school > > setting. That's all I am wondering. > > > > -Paul > > The schools I support use K12LTSP in both elementry/middle schools and > high schools. There are a lot more in elementry/middle schools than > high schools, but that is due to the fact that there are physically > a lot more elementry/middle schools than there are high schools. > > -Eric From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Sun Dec 4 18:36:10 2005 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 13:36:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Winbind tutorial Message-ID: <1133721371.10388.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mike, I tried putting it on the K12LTSP wiki but it wouldn't let me. You have to configure pam_mount and add pam_mount.so to both your /etc/pam.d/login and /etc/pam.d/gdm configuration files. I don't currently have the tutorial on the computer I am using and I don't have my jump drive with me which has a copy on it. I can email you a copy of the tutorial if you wish when I get it. Just let me know. -Paul -- Paul VanGundy Information Technology Director Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us On Sun, 2005-12-04 at 10:25 -0800, Mike Ely wrote: > Paul, > > In my work with ADS auth, the piece I never did get was automounting AD > homes. If you had a link to that handy, I'd be very grateful. > > Cheers, > Mike From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Sun Dec 4 19:17:39 2005 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 11:17:39 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Winbind tutorial In-Reply-To: <1133721371.10388.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1133721371.10388.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <439340D3.2090609@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Paul VanGundy wrote: > Mike, > > I tried putting it on the K12LTSP wiki but it wouldn't let me. You have > to configure pam_mount and add pam_mount.so to both > your /etc/pam.d/login and /etc/pam.d/gdm configuration files. I don't > currently have the tutorial on the computer I am using and I don't have > my jump drive with me which has a copy on it. I can email you a copy of > the tutorial if you wish when I get it. Just let me know. > > -Paul > Hmm. I had those setup (except that it was kdm and not gdm for me), and stuff like $HOME was created automagically at new user login, with a selection of 6 skel dirs depending upon the group membership of the new user. But I never got past "click this icon to login to your share on the server that has your windows H: drive." At any rate, if you can get around to emailing me that howto, that'd be great. One note: our barracuda filters inbound .zip files, but if you rename it .z1p or something similar, it should pass through. Thanks, Mike From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Mon Dec 5 00:56:41 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 19:56:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP...My Opinion In-Reply-To: <1133719117.10210.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: < > < > <1133718333.10210.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1133719117.10210.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us on Sunday, December 4, 2005 at 12:58 PM +0000 wrote: > I am also working on assistive technologies using Linux for >special needs individuals. Awesome! I hope you'll share as soon as you have something...this interests me as well....I have a few kids that I could stand to do a better job of accomodating. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Mon Dec 5 01:05:24 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 20:05:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP...My Opinion In-Reply-To: <1133718333.10210.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: < > <1133718333.10210.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us on Sunday, December 4, 2005 at 12:45 PM +0000 wrote: >We have K12LTSP running in one of our schools right now >authenticating against a Windows ADS and it's awesome. Aha! Now I remember you! :-) You wrote the ADS how-to right? Did you introduce yourself to me at McAuliffe? I remember a Paul introducing themselves as I glanced at the nametag. I hope you'll either attend or perhaps be willing to present at NELS this summer.... http://www.nelinux.org Matt and I are looking for presenters...and more importantly...attendees! :-) This summer we're still going to be at Gould Academy in Bethel, Maine (June 18-21), but in July (16-19) we'll also be at UNH! (University of New Hampshire) It's shaping up to be an awesome summer! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Mon Dec 5 01:16:18 2005 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 20:16:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP...My Opinion In-Reply-To: References: < > <1133718333.10210.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1133745378.17428.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> David, Yes, I did meet you briefly. Matt introduced me to you. I would be more than willing to present at the NELS this summer. What type of material is gone over at the NELS? Is it like the McAuliffe conference? As I just moved to NH within the past year I am not familiar with the technology conferences in this geographical area. If it is ok, I would also like to swing by Vassalboro and see what you have going on sometime and how you are utilizing Linux and open source technology. Just let me know if this is ok and we'll set up a time. -Paul PS - I will keep you posted as I continue to work on assistive technologies using Linux. On Sun, 2005-12-04 at 20:05 -0500, David Trask wrote: > vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us on Sunday, December 4, 2005 at 12:45 PM +0000 > wrote: > >We have K12LTSP running in one of our schools right now > >authenticating against a Windows ADS and it's awesome. > > Aha! Now I remember you! :-) You wrote the ADS how-to right? Did you > introduce yourself to me at McAuliffe? I remember a Paul introducing > themselves as I glanced at the nametag. I hope you'll either attend or > perhaps be willing to present at NELS this summer.... > http://www.nelinux.org Matt and I are looking for presenters...and more > importantly...attendees! :-) This summer we're still going to be at > Gould Academy in Bethel, Maine (June 18-21), but in July (16-19) we'll > also be at UNH! (University of New Hampshire) It's shaping up to be an > awesome summer! > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Mon Dec 5 05:38:02 2005 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 21:38:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] RSS feed suggestions? Message-ID: <53922.70.58.177.105.1133761082.squirrel@webmail.lane.k12.or.us> Colleagues- I am in the final stages of rolling out a new district webpage built around a CMS called Webgui. One of it's features is to easily add syndicated content from other sites via rss feeds. It occurred to me that this would be a good way to get "free" content updates and improve the perception of the new site. Do any of you know of sites with good rss feeds that would appeal to the typical K-12 website audience? I see that as parents, teachers, students, in that order of priority. Personally, I'd have no problem finding techy ones, but the school-centric ones are proving harder to find... -- -Regards- Quentin Hartman Technology Coordinator South Lane School District Cottage Grove, Oregon V (541)767-3778 F (541)767-3041 www.slane.k12.or.us From dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us Mon Dec 5 05:42:44 2005 From: dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 21:42:44 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Winbind tutorial In-Reply-To: <1133721371.10388.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1133721371.10388.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4393D354.4020500@mesd.k12.or.us> Paul VanGundy wrote: > I tried putting it on the K12LTSP wiki but it wouldn't let me. You _have_ to sign in to edit the wiki. Just make up a WikiWord-style name like PaulVanGudy and log in. Didn't we already discuss this? https://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2005-November/msg00461.html -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Dec 5 06:26:12 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 22:26:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] RSS feed suggestions? In-Reply-To: <53922.70.58.177.105.1133761082.squirrel@webmail.lane.k12.or.us> References: <53922.70.58.177.105.1133761082.squirrel@webmail.lane.k12.or.us> Message-ID: On Sun, 4 Dec 2005, Quentin Hartman wrote: > Colleagues- > > I am in the final stages of rolling out a new district webpage built > around a CMS called Webgui. One of it's features is to easily add > syndicated content from other sites via rss feeds. It occurred to me that > this would be a good way to get "free" content updates and improve the > perception of the new site. Do any of you know of sites with good rss > feeds that would appeal to the typical K-12 website audience? I see that > as parents, teachers, students, in that order of priority. Personally, I'd > have no problem finding techy ones, but the school-centric ones are > proving harder to find... I grepped my proxy logs and didn't find much, mostly tech & newspaper feeds. I poked around the BBC & CNN and found education RSS feeds: http://newsrss.bbc.co.uk/rss/newsonline_uk_edition/education/rss.xml http://rss.cnn.com/rss/cnn_education.rss The Department of Education has a feed: http://www.ed.gov/news/newsletters/rssnewsfeed.html And I ran across this one: http://rss.topix.net/education -Eric From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Mon Dec 5 10:31:23 2005 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 10:31:23 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] *AntiVirus Solution* In-Reply-To: <1133581886.10315.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1133581886.10315.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200512051031.23272.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> On Saturday 03 Dec 2005 03:51, Paul VanGundy wrote: > currently using Sophos Anti-Virus since it runs on Macs, Windows and > Linux. However, Sophos doesn't handle infected files very well. Instead > of quarantining the files it leaves them where they are and just informs > the administrator that the computer/user has an infected file. Not an > acceptable solution for our environment. The Windows version of Sophos can leave infected files where they are, quarantine them or delete them. Each of the modes (Immediate, Scheduled, IC Server and IC Client) has their own set of options, so you could, for instance set Scheduled to quarantine and Immediate to delete. In the Sophos program, highlight the appropriate tab, click options > configuration and look at the Action tab. What is not well known about Sophos is that there are several bits of spyware and possibely viruses, that are trapped by other virus checkers but Sophos Inc has declared them to be applications and so it allows them through. A specific example is msbb which is "provided" by 180solutions.com. Sophos trapped this until about 03/2004 but then they allowed it through. Unfortunately we are forced to use Sophos on our M$ boxes by the LEA. Oh yes, Sophos does not (by default) disinfect the hidden files used by the Windows restore feature. In fact, it is a pain to get it to disinfect these hidden files. The effect of this is, your PC gets infected, you use Sophos to remove the virus and all appears well. You then decide that you need to restore your system to a previous point in time, and voila! the virus gets restored too! We know from bitter experience. > So again, have/do any of you use ClamAV/KlamAV as your sole antivirus > solution and how is it working for you and do you recommend it for > heterogeneous networks? Any comments or suggestions from anyone on this > is welcome and appreciated. Thanks in advance! We have our own web content filter which includes Clam/AV - This is a Linux box, and it sits between us and the outside world. This is Bloxx supplied by www.packetdynamics.com and since we've installed it, there has been a dramatic decrease in the number of M$ virus that are getting onto our network. In fact, I have only identified one since Bloxx went in and I suspect that it was already lurking. So, strike one up for Clam/AV. This week we have a work experience chap in and I am going to get him to install A/V software on each of our servers, something that we currently don't have. I'll let you know which one we use; I'm thinking of something other than Clam A/V just for a bit of variety. -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From hick518 at yahoo.com Mon Dec 5 11:04:56 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 03:04:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Audio Converter In-Reply-To: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0109EA73@MAILBE2.westat.com> Message-ID: <20051205110456.5391.qmail@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I completely agree that ogg is better sounding and smaller, though I've only used it for music. By the way, under Windows you can download winamp for free and it plays ogg's. A year or so ago, under Mandrake, I used a program called ogg2mp3 to convert a couple of songs for my sister. It's command-line only, but it seemed to work fine. -Rob --- Henry Hartley wrote: > In my experience, with both stereo music and mono > speech audio, .ogg > files are smaller and have better fidelity than the > equivalent .mp3 > file. __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From hick518 at yahoo.com Mon Dec 5 11:29:28 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 03:29:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP...My Opinion In-Reply-To: <1133676852.9893.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20051205112928.78094.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Having installed both K12LTSP and LTSP on top of my distro of choice, I can tell you for sure that it's much easier to do K12LTSP (for a beginner, anyway). Pretty much everything seems to work right off the bat with K12LTSP. I've seen a couple posts here from admins who announced to us how pleased they were with their new K12LTSP lab, and how especially surprised they were with how easy it was to get going, considering that they had no prior linux experience. -Rob --- Paul VanGundy wrote: So why > install K12LTSP in high schools in the first place > instead of just your > version of Linux (SuSE, Ubuntu, Red Hat, etc.) and > the LTSP packages? > I'm not so much comparing distros, I am really > asking if anyone uses > K12LTSP in high schools and if so why instead of > LTSP? Ease of > installation possibly? __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL ? Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Mon Dec 5 11:40:51 2005 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 06:40:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Winbind tutorial In-Reply-To: <4393D354.4020500@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <1133721371.10388.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4393D354.4020500@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1133782851.12411.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Dan Yes we did. I tried and it didn't work. I must be doing something wrong. -Paul -- Paul VanGundy Information Technology Director Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us On Sun, 2005-12-04 at 21:42 -0800, Dan Young wrote: > Paul VanGundy wrote: > > I tried putting it on the K12LTSP wiki but it wouldn't let me. > > You _have_ to sign in to edit the wiki. Just make up a WikiWord-style > name like PaulVanGudy and log in. Didn't we already discuss this? > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2005-November/msg00461.html > From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Mon Dec 5 11:50:00 2005 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 11:50:00 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP...My Opinion In-Reply-To: <1133674833.8803.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1133674833.8803.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200512051150.00414.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> On Sunday 04 Dec 2005 05:40, Paul VanGundy wrote: > WARNING: The following is my opinion and is based off of my > experiences :) > > All, > > I am finding that K12LTSP is quite exceptional at the primary education > level. The games and applications available to students at that age are > broad and deep. However, I am finding that K12LTSP isn't very robust for > our high school level students. K12LTSP is quite "kiddish" to most of > our high school students as they see TuxPaint, TuxType and the Mr. > Potato Head type games. Granted, I can deselect the packages that I > don't wish to be installed but then what am I left with? LTSP. > > I am currently getting Ubuntu LTSP up and running and it is going very > well. I believe that Ubuntu LTSP will fit in quite well in our high > school (besides, I like debian based distros GO APT-GET! :)) as I will > then install and configure applications that will meet the needs of our > high school students. > > Why am I even emailing this you may ask? I am curious as to other users > experience with K12LTSP in their high schools...or even if any of you > use it in your high schools. I hear of it being used a lot in the > elementary and middle school levels. Granted, I have been to Exeter, NH > where they use it in one of their high schools but it resembles LTSP > more than K12LTSP. Those that have Linux in your high schools, do you do > stand alones, LTSP, or K12LTSP? Thanks. We're a grammar school here in Blighty and we use K12LTSP v4.2, but that is because I'm lazy. If someone has already done the hard work and built the software into a distro, why go to all the effort of building it again yourself? Granted it would be better if I had installed it myself; maybe we'll do that at the next system upgrade which I've scheduled in during the end of term break. Currently half our servers are running FC3 and the other half FC4; yes I know K12LTSP v4.2 doesn't come on FC4 but you can install the rpms and it works fine - I know 'cus that is what I did. With regard to the kiddy programs mentioned, our boys think the TuxPaint is the best thing since sliced bread, or at least they seem to think this, judging by the number of students I see drawing endless squiggles in it. I recently removed all the games from our systems, but when we had KTuberling ("mr potato editor") installed, the boys loved it. We have the Gimp installed, but most of them find it too difficult to use and they would much rather download an image from the internet. I like the Gimp; I often use it to create flashy headings for web pages using Script Fu > Logos but the boys even found that too difficult (heck they'd have to think!) When they create heading they use a grafiti creator website. The programs that get the most use are (in order) FireFox, OOWriter, OOImpress, OOSpread and OOBase. The students supposedly use the systems for course work, but they seem to spend a lot ot time on the web looking at cricket scores, pictures of shoes or pictures of cars. We have a couple of stand alone boxes, one for CD burning and another for scanning but we don't get asked by the students how to burn a CD or scan pictures, so they either have no use for these facilities or they don't know about them. -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From william at fragakis.com Mon Dec 5 13:09:40 2005 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 08:09:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] I need to make Flash work faster....wanna pitch Message-ID: <5af5670642190eeaba66e17b4f7234cc@fragakis.com> Flash is a more critical technological issue than many people outside of education realize - Things we've found: 1) Flash creates a huge datastream. I presume you have a gigabit connection between your server and switch. Each client can easily suck up 10-15 mb per second. Beyond 5-6 clients on a normal Flash page would saturate a 10/100 network and add a few instances of Tuxtype being used by other students and you couldn't get past 4-5. 2) It's important that your clients use a specific video driver, not a generic. 3) Sometimes you get a Flash animation done in "high quality" mode. Those will kill a server as they require 2-3x the cpu as a normal animation. 4) Block all the flash ads that you can. A lot of "kids" educational sites are also full of Flash adverts that compound the problem. We run Flash-based testing programs (ie Accelerated Reader) and educational web sites without much problem now, especially after implementing points 1 and 2. If the Disney site is using high rez animations, there isn't much you can do. A couple of bad adverts were killing our dual core P4 as well. I'm not sure that a 64bit Opteron is going to give you much of an advantage on running Flash over a regular desktop processor anyway - I could be dead wrong on this. Now, if I could figure out how to run Shockwave... If you haven't, run "top" in the terminal and try to find which specific client (and therefore animation) is causing problems in terms of cpu load or if it is really a network issue, in which case you'll still have CPU headroom but the animations will lag. In our experience with Flash, it wasn't CPU utilization that brought the CPU to it's knees but a saturated network. If you wish, let us know which animations they were running and others can see how it behaves on their networks, too. Regards, William Fragakis morrisbrandon.com > We're also having major flash problems. 4 kids running disney.com > games brought our dual opteron server to its knees today. I couldn't > even log in on the console. I had to ssh in just to 'init 6'. Each > of their firefox-bin processes was trying to suck up 70% cpu. Is that > typical? > From paulunwin at sdschool.enterprise-plc.com Mon Dec 5 13:40:20 2005 From: paulunwin at sdschool.enterprise-plc.com (Paul Unwin) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 13:40:20 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Missing root-path Message-ID: <004801c5f9a1$6f3a9bd0$fc8d10ac@workunits.local> Hi all, I hope one of you guys can help a Linux virgin as they say ?? Whilst trying to learn a bit more about Linux i decided to try installing k12 on a small spare server at school. All was well and ok until i tried to access via a "thin client" which is actually just another pc booted from Etherboot... The thin client finds the server, gets an ip number, and starts loading the kernel Everything looks good at this point !! and TUX appears in the top lefthand corner of the screen.. THEN Just after the message appears ::::: ""running dhcpcd on port 67 eth0:media link On 100Mbts full duplex Error!! No root-path, Check dhcp config etc etc etc.."" The beasty hangs on me...!! I have looked at the dhcp config and cannot see a problem. the option root-path appears to be specified ok??? any suggestions Please..Remember i am a virgin here just 3days into linux !!! best regards Paul Springwell Dene School Sunderland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Mon Dec 5 13:52:07 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 08:52:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP...My Opinion In-Reply-To: <1133745378.17428.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: < > < > < > <1133718333.10210.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> < > <1133745378.17428.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us on Sunday, December 4, 2005 at 8:16 PM +0000 wrote: >David, > >Yes, I did meet you briefly. Matt introduced me to you. I would be more >than willing to present at the NELS this summer. What type of material >is gone over at the NELS? Is it like the McAuliffe conference? As I just >moved to NH within the past year I am not familiar with the technology >conferences in this geographical area. It's much more immersive and hands-on....you stay right on campus and live, sleep, eat, and breathe Linux and FOSS for several days. The camaraderie along is work the price of admission. You may or not have found out yet that Maine and NH have it "going on" as far as Linux in schools is concerned. ;-) > > >If it is ok, I would also like to swing by Vassalboro and see what you >have going on sometime and how you are utilizing Linux and open source >technology. Just let me know if this is ok and we'll set up a time. No problem....Thursdays are usually best, but let me know and we can arrange something.....you're more than welcome to come :-) > > >-Paul > >PS - I will keep you posted as I continue to work on assistive >technologies using Linux. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us Mon Dec 5 13:45:58 2005 From: paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us (Justin Paulsen) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 07:45:58 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] esd (esound) Message-ID: <43944496.7060900@frederic.k12.wi.us> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello, I have been attempting to get sound working for my clients but have been having a tough time. I would rather not have to use the edsdsp wrapper for all of the programs that require sound. I am using the xfce4 desktop and there doesn't appear to be any way to inject sound as a whole, also I cannot seem to find the xfce-mixer package anywhere. One other thing, when I do use the esddsp wrapper or the esound output plug in in xmms I get interference when I use the mouse scroll wheel. If anyone could help on either of these things please let me know. Thanks, - -- Justin Paulsen IT Coordinator Frederic School District 1-715-327-4223 paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us "The world is open. Are you?" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDlESW1ed72CY2bpoRAu4JAJ9e5/cPXdIQwxuXpZIOsiDjvgiQrQCgkLH3 Jy9uHqGB8UDYa/gL4CB5Rxo= =WByi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: paulsenj.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 306 bytes Desc: not available URL: From petre at maltzen.net Mon Dec 5 15:01:16 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 09:01:16 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] *AntiVirus Solution* In-Reply-To: <1133581886.10315.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1133581886.10315.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4394563C.20402@maltzen.net> I have Clam installed in a couple of non-LTSP environments and it works just fine. The thing to do is have it run on your mail server so that it scans ALL mail before it gets to the clients. That way you don't have to worry about having a cross platform solution or whether every client has the latest version, etc. Kinda the LTSP approach, where the work is done at the server not the client. Petre Paul VanGundy wrote: > All, > > Do any of you use ClamAV or KlamAV as your sole antivirus solution in > your organizations? We have used Symantec, which we left, and are > currently using Sophos Anti-Virus since it runs on Macs, Windows and > Linux. However, Sophos doesn't handle infected files very well. Instead > of quarantining the files it leaves them where they are and just informs > the administrator that the computer/user has an infected file. Not an > acceptable solution for our environment. > > So again, have/do any of you use ClamAV/KlamAV as your sole antivirus > solution and how is it working for you and do you recommend it for > heterogeneous networks? Any comments or suggestions from anyone on this > is welcome and appreciated. Thanks in advance! > > -Paul > From stevn.bartley at ints.com Mon Dec 5 15:06:36 2005 From: stevn.bartley at ints.com (Stevn Bartley) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 07:06:36 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] crazy licensing question In-Reply-To: <4390AEB1.5000007@independence.k12.ia.us> References: <4390AEB1.5000007@independence.k12.ia.us> Message-ID: <4394577C.1020301@ints.com> Brad, I do this all the time. My interpretation of the licensing allows for the following configuration: You need to have a licensed Windows 200[0-3] Server. You need one Server CAL for each client that will be connecting to the server. You need one Terminal Server CAL for each client that will be connecting to the server. MS Licensing is now such that you buy these in packs of 5. The easiest method of management is to setup the Windows server licensing in Per User mode instead of Per Device. This way, you eliminate the issues around expired licenses and falling short of quantity. The MS licensing states that it is your complete responsibility to manage your license counts if you license in this mode. That is because the license server has no way of assigning a key to the user like it can to the device. If it is a 2000 Server, RDP will work fine as long as you set the color depth of the connection to 256. 2003 allows for 16, 24 or 32bit but 2000 was limited to 256. Hope that helps. STEVN BARTLEY Internal Systems Manager INTEGRATED SERVICES, INC. Phone: 503-968-8100 Ext. 242 Fax: 503-968-9100 stevn.bartley at ints.com www.ints.com Brad Johnson wrote: > Greetings fellow LTSPer's, > > I've got a question for which I cannot seem to find the answer. Here's > the scenario: > > Want to connect my LTSP clients to either a Windows 2000 or Windows 2003 > terminal server. I want to purchase the licenses to make this all > legal, but I cannot seem to understand how/where the license file gets > saved on my LTSP server. Is anyone successfully and legally doing > this? Thanks for any help. > From petre at maltzen.net Mon Dec 5 15:49:45 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 09:49:45 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP...My Opinion In-Reply-To: <200512051150.00414.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> References: <1133674833.8803.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200512051150.00414.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> Message-ID: <43946199.6080708@maltzen.net> Martin Woolley wrote: > course work, but they seem to spend a lot ot time on the web looking at > cricket scores, pictures of shoes or pictures of cars. ...pictures of shoes? From accessys at smart.net Mon Dec 5 15:56:19 2005 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 10:56:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP...My Opinion In-Reply-To: <43946199.6080708@maltzen.net> References: <1133674833.8803.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200512051150.00414.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> <43946199.6080708@maltzen.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 5 Dec 2005, Petre Scheie wrote: > Martin Woolley wrote: > > > course work, but they seem to spend a lot ot time on the web looking at > > cricket scores, pictures of shoes or pictures of cars. > > ...pictures of shoes? you must be at an all boys school and not have any teen daughters Bob ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us Mon Dec 5 16:06:28 2005 From: dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 08:06:28 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Winbind tutorial In-Reply-To: <1133782851.12411.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1133721371.10388.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4393D354.4020500@mesd.k12.or.us> <1133782851.12411.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <43946584.9080805@mesd.k12.or.us> Paul VanGundy wrote: > Yes we did. I tried and it didn't work. I must be doing something wrong. Seems fine here. I just went to the text field in the lower-right hand corner and signed in as FooBarBaz. -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From petre at maltzen.net Mon Dec 5 16:25:12 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 10:25:12 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP...My Opinion In-Reply-To: References: <1133674833.8803.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200512051150.00414.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> <43946199.6080708@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <439469E8.5030406@maltzen.net> Access Systems wrote: > On Mon, 5 Dec 2005, Petre Scheie wrote: > > >>Martin Woolley wrote: >> >> >>>course work, but they seem to spend a lot ot time on the web looking at >>>cricket scores, pictures of shoes or pictures of cars. >> >>...pictures of shoes? > > > you must be at an all boys school and not have any teen daughters > > > Bob I thought Martin's school *was* for boys. From k12osn at perusion.com Mon Dec 5 16:25:14 2005 From: k12osn at perusion.com (Mike Heins) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 11:25:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Changing Machines from Windows AD/Domain control to Samba Message-ID: <20051205162514.GA26628@bill.heins.net> We have 100+ machines which have been authenticating into a Windows ADS domain controller, i.e. Active Directory. We would like to remove the last Windows server from the network and have all of those machines authenticate into Samba instead. In my tests, it appears that it is not as simple as turning on domain logons on the Samba server and switching off the Windows DC. Can someone shed some light on this process and how I might be able to accomplish my aim without reconfiguring 100+ clients? -- Mike Heins Perusion -- Expert Interchange Consulting http://www.perusion.com/ phone +1.765.647.1295 tollfree 800-949-1889 How far can you open your mind before your brains fall out? From henryhartley at westat.com Mon Dec 5 16:33:36 2005 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 11:33:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Magazine mock-up...getting the hang of Scribus! Message-ID: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D0109EA79@MAILBE2.westat.com> On Saturday, December 03, 2005 9:35 AM, Timothy Hart said: >> >> Great work. I am playing around with the same thing. Although I >> am having a little trouble with color matching. I am trying to >> get it a little more lickable (gradients and such) and am making >> the header and borders in inkscape. Keeping it SVG and importing >> it into Scribus is nice, but Scribus seems to chew the SVG a >> little in the color department. >> >> Also any gradient I export to PDF seems washed out. When you created the PDF, what setting did you have on the Color tab of the export dialog? I've found that Screen/Web is the proper choice here. Note that this setting doesn't have anything whatsoever to do with image compression, just the color model used. If you had it set to Printer, try Screen/Web and see if that doesn't help. If you continue to have problems, I'd recommend the excellent Scribus mailing list. See: . -- Henry From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Mon Dec 5 17:36:22 2005 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 09:36:22 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP...My Opinion In-Reply-To: <439469E8.5030406@maltzen.net> References: <1133674833.8803.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200512051150.00414.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> <43946199.6080708@maltzen.net> <439469E8.5030406@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <43947A96.8050301@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Petre Scheie wrote: > > > Access Systems wrote: >> On Mon, 5 Dec 2005, Petre Scheie wrote: >> >> >>> Martin Woolley wrote: >>> >>> >>>> course work, but they seem to spend a lot ot time on the web looking at >>>> cricket scores, pictures of shoes or pictures of cars. >>> >>> ...pictures of shoes? >> >> >> you must be at an all boys school and not have any teen daughters >> >> >> Bob > > I thought Martin's school *was* for boys. > If the web content filter works well enough, what are they left with? Exactly. Mike From moquist at majen.net Mon Dec 5 17:36:24 2005 From: moquist at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 12:36:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] re: Status of smbldap-installer (Robert Moskowitz) In-Reply-To: <20051202203815.B0C5A731D5@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20051202203815.B0C5A731D5@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20051205173624.GF22156@majen.net> > From: Robert Moskowitz > Subject: [K12OSN] Status of smbldap-installer > It looks like there hasn't been any updates on this since beginning > of the year? As others have mentioned, I maintain the project site at http://majen.net/smbldap/ so the newest stuff will always be there. If the mirror sites would set up cron-jobs with wget (nudge nudge, Dave, Steve...) then the mirror sites would also be up-to-date. > But I want to use CentOS 4.2 for the OS. If you have yum working on your system, selecting fc4 should do the trick for you. I intend to add a "none of the above" option to that list, or just eliminate the question altogether, but I haven't gotten it done yet. In the meantime, selecting fc4 will cause the script to attempt to use 'yum', and selecting 'ubuntu' will cause the script to attempt to use 'apt-get' to resolve dependencies. In any case, this quesetion only concerns dependency resolution for installation. If you know you have all the necessary packages installed, you can just run ./smbldap-configure to skip the installation part altogether. > Should I add www.webmin.com ? Yes, and you should take careful notes as you configure it, and then you should email me to tell me how well it works or doesn't and how you configured it. Then maybe, someday, the smbldap-installer will also help with webmin configuration... :) --matt -- Open Source Software Engineering Consultant http://majen.net/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From ascensiontech at gmail.com Mon Dec 5 17:55:10 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 12:55:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] I need to make Flash work faster....wanna pitch in? In-Reply-To: <9bd317560512021153r10e3e356ucf1c4bc35d7d7577@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560512021153r10e3e356ucf1c4bc35d7d7577@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560512050955p414910bl77b8ade09fe622f5@mail.gmail.com> "Bueller......Bueller......." /popculture On 12/2/05, Peter Hartmann wrote: > We're also having major flash problems. 4 kids running disney.com > games brought our dual opteron server to its knees today. I couldn't > even log in on the console. I had to ssh in just to 'init 6'. Each > of their firefox-bin processes was trying to suck up 70% cpu. Is that > typical? What exactly does Local_apps=Y do anyway? It must not do > what I think it does if there is a need for this: > > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LocalAppFirefox#Introduction > > > What are people doing to solve this kind of problem? > > Thanks, > Peter > > > On 1/12/05, Calvin Park wrote: > > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LocalApps > > > > I'm assuming that might be the place to start. I've never setup > > localapps. But, that's where I'd start. > > > > -Calvin > > > > On Wed, 2005-01-12 at 09:02 -0500, David Trask wrote: > > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > > > Wednesday, January 12, 2005 at 8:40 AM +0000 wrote: > > > >The hard part is getting network authentication and NFS exported > > > >home directories set up. You've already done that part. You > > > >will reduce security if you open up NFS to the workstations, but > > > >that may not matter as much as performance - and maybe you already > > > >allow it. > > > > > > Any idea where the how-to is? I'd like to try....security is not > > > paramount in this case....performance is. > > > > > > David N. Trask > > > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > > > Vassalboro Community School > > > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > > > (207)923-3100 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > From ascensiontech at gmail.com Mon Dec 5 18:32:22 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 13:32:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] I need to make Flash work faster....wanna pitch In-Reply-To: <5af5670642190eeaba66e17b4f7234cc@fragakis.com> References: <5af5670642190eeaba66e17b4f7234cc@fragakis.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560512051032y7df29ab9i746025ad9009cbe6@mail.gmail.com> Thanks William, I'll give the drivers a try. I'd say that since I couldn't log in at the server itself that it was cpu related. We have a gigabit backbone with bond0 using 4 nics. I wonder if there is a way to disallow the "high quality" mode in flash? > 4) Block all the flash ads that you can. A lot of "kids" educational > sites are also full of Flash adverts that compound the problem. I there a special blacklist having to do with this? > If you haven't, run "top" in the terminal and try to find which > specific client (and therefore animation) is causing problems in terms I did. That's how I came up with 70% for the culprits. It's pretty much any game on the Disney site. Could someone try this one so I can compare? http://disney.go.com/disneychannel/playhouse/koalabrothers/games/planegame.html I wonder if the nice could be applied to this problem. Is there away to make the flash plugin show up as a process to be niced? Thanks, Peter On 12/5/05, William Fragakis wrote: > > Flash is a more critical technological issue than many people outside of > education realize - > > Things we've found: > 1) Flash creates a huge datastream. I presume you have a gigabit > connection between your server and switch. Each client can easily suck > up 10-15 mb per second. Beyond 5-6 clients on a normal Flash page would > saturate a 10/100 network and add a few instances of Tuxtype being used > by other students and you couldn't get past 4-5. > > 2) It's important that your clients use a specific video driver, not a > generic. > > 3) Sometimes you get a Flash animation done in "high quality" mode. > Those will kill a server as they require 2-3x the cpu as a normal > animation. > > 4) Block all the flash ads that you can. A lot of "kids" educational > sites are also full of Flash adverts that compound the problem. > > We run Flash-based testing programs (ie Accelerated Reader) and > educational web sites without much problem now, especially after > implementing points 1 and 2. If the Disney site is using high rez > animations, there isn't much you can do. A couple of bad adverts were > killing our dual core P4 as well. I'm not sure that a 64bit Opteron is > going to give you much of an advantage on running Flash over a regular > desktop processor anyway - I could be dead wrong on this. > > Now, if I could figure out how to run Shockwave... > > If you haven't, run "top" in the terminal and try to find which > specific client (and therefore animation) is causing problems in terms > of cpu load or if it is really a network issue, in which case you'll > still have CPU headroom but the animations will lag. In our experience > with Flash, it wasn't CPU utilization that brought the CPU to it's > knees but a saturated network. > > If you wish, let us know which animations they were running and others > can see how it behaves on their networks, too. > > Regards, > William Fragakis > morrisbrandon.com > > We're also having major flash problems. 4 kids running disney.com > > games brought our dual opteron server to its knees today. I couldn't > > even log in on the console. I had to ssh in just to 'init 6'. Each > > of their firefox-bin processes was trying to suck up 70% cpu. Is that > > typical? > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Mon Dec 5 18:48:30 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 10:48:30 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] I need to make Flash work faster....wanna pitch In-Reply-To: <9bd317560512051032y7df29ab9i746025ad9009cbe6@mail.gmail.com> References: <5af5670642190eeaba66e17b4f7234cc@fragakis.com> <9bd317560512051032y7df29ab9i746025ad9009cbe6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43948B7E.2090207@paasda.org> I went to the site...yeah the entire site seems heavy into flash. might be one ya just wanna block? --Huck Peter Hartmann wrote: > I did. That's how I came up with 70% for the culprits. It's pretty > much any game on the Disney site. Could someone try this one so I can > compare? > > http://disney.go.com/disneychannel/playhouse/koalabrothers/games/planegame.html > > I wonder if the nice could be applied to this problem. Is there > away to make the flash plugin show up as a process to be niced? > > > Thanks, > Peter > From nbs at sonic.net Mon Dec 5 19:01:57 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 11:01:57 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] I need to make Flash work faster....wanna pitch In-Reply-To: <5af5670642190eeaba66e17b4f7234cc@fragakis.com> References: <5af5670642190eeaba66e17b4f7234cc@fragakis.com> Message-ID: <20051205190157.GE11070@sonic.net> On Mon, Dec 05, 2005 at 08:09:40AM -0500, William Fragakis wrote: > 4) Block all the flash ads that you can. A lot of "kids" educational > sites are also full of Flash adverts that compound the problem. This is a great plugin for Netscape, Mozilla and Firefox, for folks who need to support Flash, but don't want to have it eating CPU when you're not using it (e.g., banners on non-flash sites): http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ "Flashblock is an extension for the Mozilla, Firefox, and Netscape browsers that takes a pessimistic approach to dealing with Macromedia Flash content on a webpage and blocks ALL Flash content from loading. It then leaves placeholders on the webpage that allow you to click to download and then view the Flash content." Enjoy! :) > Now, if I could figure out how to run Shockwave... CodeWeaver's Crossover, perhaps? -- -bill! bill at newbreedsoftware.com http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/ From dhuckaby at paasda.org Mon Dec 5 19:13:37 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 11:13:37 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] I need to make Flash work faster....wanna pitch In-Reply-To: <20051205190157.GE11070@sonic.net> References: <5af5670642190eeaba66e17b4f7234cc@fragakis.com> <20051205190157.GE11070@sonic.net> Message-ID: <43949161.1070208@paasda.org> great idea... I use this plugin on MY windows workstation both at work and home. Never thought about integrating it with the LTSP network =) --Huck Bill Kendrick wrote: > On Mon, Dec 05, 2005 at 08:09:40AM -0500, William Fragakis wrote: > >>4) Block all the flash ads that you can. A lot of "kids" educational >>sites are also full of Flash adverts that compound the problem. > > > This is a great plugin for Netscape, Mozilla and Firefox, for folks > who need to support Flash, but don't want to have it eating CPU when > you're not using it (e.g., banners on non-flash sites): > > http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ > > "Flashblock is an extension for the Mozilla, Firefox, and Netscape > browsers that takes a pessimistic approach to dealing with Macromedia > Flash content on a webpage and blocks ALL Flash content from > loading. It then leaves placeholders on the webpage that allow you to > click to download and then view the Flash content." > > Enjoy! :) > > > > >>Now, if I could figure out how to run Shockwave... > > > CodeWeaver's Crossover, perhaps? > From scott at hosef.org Mon Dec 5 20:21:45 2005 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 10:21:45 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] What does this change? Message-ID: <200512051021.45216.scott@hosef.org> http://directory.fedora.redhat.com/wiki/Main_Page "NEW - Fedora Directory Server 1.0 is released We are pleased to announce the release of Fedora Directory Server 1.0! This version fulfills the promise to open all of the directory server source code that we made almost 1 year ago - 12/8/2004 - the date at which Red Hat acquired the code. Here are some Screenshots. Welcome Welcome to the Fedora Directory Server. The Fedora Directory Server is a robust, scalable open-source server designed to manage large directories of users and resources. It is based on an open-systems server protocol called the Lightweight Directory Access Protocol (LDAP)." It sounds like this is going to provide the same functionality of Skolelinux' integration of LDAP with Webmin or this lists' own SMB-LDAP installer. Is this somewhat correct? Impressive work, as always, by the Fedora team. --scott From nbs at sonic.net Mon Dec 5 20:36:04 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 12:36:04 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] A wiki for submitting articles for the New "The Open=?ISO-8859-1?Q? Source_?= Educa In-Reply-To: References: <464c38cc0512020918v183f8423rb2c086d3b3f82597@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20051205203604.GA17420@sonic.net> On Fri, Dec 02, 2005 at 01:02:46PM -0500, David Trask wrote: > The template I've developed is exactly that...landscape...and can be saved > as PDF with Scribus....the only thing I haven't figured out is how to get > it to default to full screen when the reader opens it Can I recommend _not_ doing that? I find that pretty annoying in TUX Magazine issues. (And it took me a while to figure out how the heck to get KPDF (or whatever I was using) to NOT be in either fullscreen mode, or overview mode. I just wanted to read the damned magazine and still be able to see my IRC client, taskbar, etc. etc. :) ) -bill! From nbs at sonic.net Mon Dec 5 20:36:24 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 12:36:24 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] A wiki for submitting articles for the New "The OpenSource Educator" In-Reply-To: <20051202172027.90B47106C@relay1.mail.twtelecom.net> References: <20051202172027.90B47106C@relay1.mail.twtelecom.net> Message-ID: <20051205203624.GB17420@sonic.net> On Fri, Dec 02, 2005 at 12:25:21PM -0500, Calvin Park wrote: > This is a very exciting idea! Perhaps I'll post an article. ;) Either way, > I'm looking forward to seeing what becomes of this (and I hope it becomes > something great). Ditto! (Need to catch up on this thread today, too! Don't wanna miss out on the excitement!) -bill! From julius at turtle.com Mon Dec 5 21:21:23 2005 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 16:21:23 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] OT - easy VPN setup with cipe gone Message-ID: Dear Folks, a question off the regular track: what do you suggest I should use for creating VPN tunnels, now that CIPE is no longer available for new K12 software? I got spoiled with CIPE being first choice in "neat". A connected question: is there an easy way to encrypt a GRE tunnel? It seems that creating them should be easy with ip command, I don't see the options for encryption. thanks, julius From dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us Mon Dec 5 21:29:37 2005 From: dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 13:29:37 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - easy VPN setup with cipe gone In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4394B141.7030908@mesd.k12.or.us> Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > Dear Folks, > a question off the regular track: what do you suggest I should use > for creating VPN tunnels, now that CIPE is no longer available for new K12 > software? I got spoiled with CIPE being first choice in "neat". > A connected question: is there an easy way to encrypt a GRE > tunnel? It seems that creating them should be easy with ip command, I > don't see the options for encryption. OpenVPN is available in extras and encrypts TUN/TAP devices: http://openvpn.net/ http://vtun.sourceforge.net/ -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From les at futuresource.com Mon Dec 5 21:41:20 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 15:41:20 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - easy VPN setup with cipe gone In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1133818880.17545.367.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2005-12-05 at 15:21, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > Dear Folks, > a question off the regular track: what do you suggest I should use > for creating VPN tunnels, now that CIPE is no longer available for new K12 > software? I got spoiled with CIPE being first choice in "neat". OpenVPN is the new way. If you are using the FC4-base k12ltsp you should be able to install via yum. I've been too lazy to switch myself and have held several machines back to FC1/Centos3 so their CIPE tunnels still work. > A connected question: is there an easy way to encrypt a GRE > tunnel? It seems that creating them should be easy with ip command, I > don't see the options for encryption. I think you could push the GRE packets though an IPsec tunnel which is a common approach on Cisco routers so you get normal interface semantics (multicast, routing protocols, etc.) which you don't get with IPsec alone. I suspect Linux<->Cisco tunnels could be made to interoperate that way but I've only done it with straight GRE. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Mon Dec 5 21:45:38 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 15:45:38 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] What does this change? In-Reply-To: <200512051021.45216.scott@hosef.org> References: <200512051021.45216.scott@hosef.org> Message-ID: <1133819138.17545.372.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2005-12-05 at 14:21, R. Scott Belford wrote: > http://directory.fedora.redhat.com/wiki/Main_Page > > "NEW - Fedora Directory Server 1.0 is released > It sounds like this is going to provide the same functionality of Skolelinux' > integration of LDAP with Webmin or this lists' own SMB-LDAP installer. Is > this somewhat correct? Impressive work, as always, by the Fedora team. It is a different code base than openldap that has some additional features and should be more robust. I don't know if it is as integrated with samba yet as the smb-ldap scripts make openldap, but it is probably a better long-term replacement. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From JRuff at Sihope.com Mon Dec 5 22:50:42 2005 From: JRuff at Sihope.com (John G. Ruff) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 16:50:42 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Kernel Panic Message-ID: <1133823042.9965.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> Server: Dual P3/850, 1 Gb RAM, 4 x 18 Gb SCSI-3 software RAID-5, 2 x Intel 10/100 NICs This server has been running K12LTSP 4.4.1 for several weeks with no problems. No configuration files or anything have been changed. Today, thin clients cannot connect to it, giving the following text on the screen: Running dhcpcd on port 67 Error!! No root-path, Check your DHCP configuration, to make sure that the 'option root-path' is specified Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init! -------- The server /var/log/messages has the following: Dec 5 16:13:22 o1 dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:10:dc:c8:f9:13 via eth0 Dec 5 16:13:23 o1 dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.0.80 to 00:10:dc:c8:f9:13 via eth0 Dec 5 16:13:26 o1 dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.80 (192.168.0.244) from 00:10:dc:c8:f9:13 via eth0 Dec 5 16:13:26 o1 dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.80 to 00:10:dc:c8:f9:13 via eth0 Dec 5 22:13:26 o1 in.tftpd[9951]: tftp: client does not accept options Dec 5 16:13:32 o1 dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:10:dc:c8:f9:13 via eth0 Dec 5 16:13:32 o1 dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.65 (192.168.0.254) from 00:10:dc:c8:f9:13 via eth0 Dec 5 16:13:32 o1 dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.65 to 00:10:dc:c8:f9:13 via eth0 Dec 5 16:13:33 o1 dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.0.95 to 00:10:dc:c8:f9:13 via eth0 -------- The odd things here are the tftp line, and the dhcpd strangeness after that error. The tftpd service is running & working, I can connect to it and get files. I have spent most of today reading the archives here and googling all over and have not figured it out. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. john From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Tue Dec 6 00:37:40 2005 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 19:37:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] How to make your users love Linux Message-ID: <1133829460.9350.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Give them ion2 or ion3 as their desktop manager and MUTT as their email client...hehe.... -Paul -- Paul VanGundy Information Technology Director Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us From gentgeen at linuxmail.org Tue Dec 6 00:38:26 2005 From: gentgeen at linuxmail.org (Gentgeen) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 19:38:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP...My Opinion In-Reply-To: <200512051150.00414.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> References: <1133674833.8803.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200512051150.00414.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> Message-ID: <20051205193826.6f976a21@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 5 Dec 2005 11:50:00 +0000 Martin Woolley wrote: > We have a couple of stand alone boxes, one for CD burning and another for > scanning but we don't get asked by the students how to burn a CD or scan > pictures, so they either have no use for these facilities or they don't know > about them. Just a thought, you might want to look at something like PHP-SANE for the scanner machine. The scanner can stay attached to the machine it is currently attached to, and the clients can access it via a web interface. It is simple, but it works :-) Kevin -- ***************************************************************** Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation; for 'tis better to be alone then in bad company. - George Washington, Rules of Civility From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Dec 6 00:53:38 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 16:53:38 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] How to make your users love Linux In-Reply-To: <1133829460.9350.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1133829460.9350.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4394E112.7050900@paasda.org> I've always hated MUTT... and been use'n linux since '93. --Huck Paul VanGundy wrote: > Give them ion2 or ion3 as their desktop manager and MUTT as their email > client...hehe.... > > -Paul > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Dec 6 01:46:32 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 17:46:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Kernel Panic In-Reply-To: <1133823042.9965.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1133823042.9965.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Mon, 5 Dec 2005, John G. Ruff wrote: > Server: Dual P3/850, 1 Gb RAM, 4 x 18 Gb SCSI-3 software RAID-5, 2 x > Intel 10/100 NICs > > This server has been running K12LTSP 4.4.1 for several weeks with no > problems. No configuration files or anything have been changed. Today, > thin clients cannot connect to it, giving the following text on the > screen: > > Running dhcpcd on port 67 > > Error!! No root-path, Check your DHCP configuration, to make > sure that the 'option root-path' is specified > > Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init! This often means one of two things: 1) your /etc/dhcpd.conf file was modified or the more likely 2) you have a rogue DHCP server. You can test your dhcpd.conf file with this command: rpm -Vf /etc/dhcpd.conf If there is no output from this command, it is in good shape. If the output looks like this: S.?....TC c /etc/dhcpd.conf the file has been modified - which is not necessarily bad, but you should check it. If you turn off your dhcp server: /sbin/service dhcpd stop and you can still get an IP address, you have a rogue DHCP server ;-) (don't forget to turn dhcp back on: /sbin/service dhcpd start) > -------- > > The server /var/log/messages has the following: > > Dec 5 16:13:22 o1 dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:10:dc:c8:f9:13 via eth0 > Dec 5 16:13:23 o1 dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.0.80 to 00:10:dc:c8:f9:13 > via eth0 > Dec 5 16:13:26 o1 dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.80 (192.168.0.244) > from 00:10:dc:c8:f9:13 via eth0 > Dec 5 16:13:26 o1 dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.80 to 00:10:dc:c8:f9:13 > via eth0 > Dec 5 22:13:26 o1 in.tftpd[9951]: tftp: client does not accept options > Dec 5 16:13:32 o1 dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:10:dc:c8:f9:13 via eth0 > Dec 5 16:13:32 o1 dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.65 (192.168.0.254) > from 00:10:dc:c8:f9:13 via eth0 > Dec 5 16:13:32 o1 dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.0.65 to 00:10:dc:c8:f9:13 > via eth0 > Dec 5 16:13:33 o1 dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.0.95 to 00:10:dc:c8:f9:13 > via eth0 > > -------- > > The odd things here are the tftp line, and the dhcpd strangeness after > that error. The tftpd service is running & working, I can connect to it > and get files. The "tftp: client does not accept options" is normal. > I have spent most of today reading the archives here and googling all > over and have not figured it out. Any ideas would be greatly > appreciated. > > john -Eric From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Tue Dec 6 01:58:32 2005 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 17:58:32 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Kernel Panic In-Reply-To: References: <1133823042.9965.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4394F048.9000601@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Eric Harrison wrote: >> Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init! > > This often means one of two things: 1) your /etc/dhcpd.conf file > was modified or the more likely 2) you have a rogue DHCP server. > This is why I never use 192.168.0.0/16 for anything - pretty much all consumer-grade NAT boxes use that subnet, and people sometimes try to multiply a port by plugging them into the network (with chaotic results extending beyond the LTSP boxes) via a LAN port, and they dutifully begin serving DHCP to the first 254 clients that ask. If your network is addressed with 10.0.0.0/8 or some variant, then I'd suggest 172.16.0.0/16 for your LTSP DHCP config (unless of course you need several hundred thousand internal IP addresses for LTSP, in which case maybe you could lend me a couple dollars?), and of course, if you're using 172 for your regular LAN, then use 10 for LTSP. The advantage to doing this is that it's a lot easier to debug stuff like martian devices on the network or a broken config somewhere. Cheers, Mike From sbarar at gmail.com Tue Dec 6 02:21:13 2005 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 07:51:13 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Missing root-path In-Reply-To: <004801c5f9a1$6f3a9bd0$fc8d10ac@workunits.local> References: <004801c5f9a1$6f3a9bd0$fc8d10ac@workunits.local> Message-ID: <774593a20512051821x3d15dbfbh3750a872843c1383@mail.gmail.com> On 12/5/05, Paul Unwin wrote: > THEN Just after the message appears ::::: > ""running dhcpcd on port 67 > eth0:media link On 100Mbts full duplex > Error!! No root-path, Check dhcp config etc etc etc.."" > > The beasty hangs on me...!! One run ifconfig and make sure that IP of eth0 is same as one written in dhcpd.conf Two make sure that service tftpd is running Three post your dhcpd.conf for other eyes. Double check that the option root path is relative to /tftp If you go through trouble shooting under documentation at www.ltsp.org it would be best step by step approach. HTH -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Tue Dec 6 03:10:17 2005 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 22:10:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] CUPSYS ERROR Message-ID: <1133838617.11536.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> All, I am having printer woes on one of our boxes. Here is the error I get when I try to go to Printing: The CUPS Server could not be contacted. I looked in /var/log/cups/error_log and I saw the following: I [05/Dec/2005:21:59:44 -0500] Scheduler shutting down normally. I [05/Dec/2005:21:59:44 -0500] Listening to 0:631 I [05/Dec/2005:21:59:44 -0500] Loaded configuration file "/etc/cups/cupsd.conf" I [05/Dec/2005:21:59:44 -0500] Configured for up to 100 clients. I [05/Dec/2005:21:59:44 -0500] Allowing up to 100 client connections per host. I [05/Dec/2005:21:59:44 -0500] Full reload is required. I [05/Dec/2005:21:59:45 -0500] LoadPPDs: Read "/etc/cups/ppds.dat", 4104 PPDs... I [05/Dec/2005:21:59:45 -0500] LoadPPDs: No new or changed PPDs... I [05/Dec/2005:21:59:45 -0500] Full reload complete. I [05/Dec/2005:22:02:44 -0500] Scheduler shutting down normally. I [05/Dec/2005:22:02:44 -0500] Listening to 0:631 I [05/Dec/2005:22:02:44 -0500] Loaded configuration file "/etc/cups/cupsd.conf" I [05/Dec/2005:22:02:44 -0500] Configured for up to 100 clients. I [05/Dec/2005:22:02:44 -0500] Allowing up to 100 client connections per host. I [05/Dec/2005:22:02:44 -0500] Full reload is required. I [05/Dec/2005:22:02:45 -0500] LoadPPDs: Read "/etc/cups/ppds.dat", 4104 PPDs... I [05/Dec/2005:22:02:45 -0500] LoadPPDs: No new or changed PPDs... I [05/Dec/2005:22:02:45 -0500] Full reload complete. Everything looks fine. I went to bash terminal and typed /etc/init.d/cupsys restart and /etc/init.d/hplip restart. Both restart OK and without errors. I can't print from bash terminal either. I must have over looked something. Sometimes it's good to get people outside of the box to help. Any ideas? -Paul -- Paul VanGundy Information Technology Director Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Tue Dec 6 03:12:41 2005 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 22:12:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Kernel Panic In-Reply-To: <4394F048.9000601@rogueriver.k12.or.us> References: <1133823042.9965.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4394F048.9000601@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1133838762.11536.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> I agree with Mike. I use a different range on the same subnet. On my LTSP network I use 172.21.0.0/16 -Paul -- Paul VanGundy Information Technology Director Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us On Mon, 2005-12-05 at 17:58 -0800, Mike Ely wrote: > Eric Harrison wrote: > >> Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init! > > > > This often means one of two things: 1) your /etc/dhcpd.conf file > > was modified or the more likely 2) you have a rogue DHCP server. > > > This is why I never use 192.168.0.0/16 for anything - pretty much all > consumer-grade NAT boxes use that subnet, and people sometimes try to > multiply a port by plugging them into the network (with chaotic results > extending beyond the LTSP boxes) via a LAN port, and they dutifully > begin serving DHCP to the first 254 clients that ask. > > If your network is addressed with 10.0.0.0/8 or some variant, then I'd > suggest 172.16.0.0/16 for your LTSP DHCP config (unless of course you > need several hundred thousand internal IP addresses for LTSP, in which > case maybe you could lend me a couple dollars?), and of course, if > you're using 172 for your regular LAN, then use 10 for LTSP. > > The advantage to doing this is that it's a lot easier to debug stuff > like martian devices on the network or a broken config somewhere. > > Cheers, > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From JRuff at Sihope.com Tue Dec 6 03:34:32 2005 From: JRuff at Sihope.com (John G. Ruff) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 21:34:32 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Kernel Panic References: <1133823042.9965.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4394F048.9000601@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <439506C8.735D46D0@Sihope.com> Thank you so much for your advice. It turns out that I updated the packages on the (Linux based) firewall system & the DHCP server got turned back on. It really is hard to keep track of all of the side effects. After all the time I spent on this today, the couple dollars sounds like a plan. jr Mike Ely wrote: > > Eric Harrison wrote: > >> Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init! > > > > This often means one of two things: 1) your /etc/dhcpd.conf file > > was modified or the more likely 2) you have a rogue DHCP server. > > > This is why I never use 192.168.0.0/16 for anything - pretty much all > consumer-grade NAT boxes use that subnet, and people sometimes try to > multiply a port by plugging them into the network (with chaotic results > extending beyond the LTSP boxes) via a LAN port, and they dutifully > begin serving DHCP to the first 254 clients that ask. > > If your network is addressed with 10.0.0.0/8 or some variant, then I'd > suggest 172.16.0.0/16 for your LTSP DHCP config (unless of course you > need several hundred thousand internal IP addresses for LTSP, in which > case maybe you could lend me a couple dollars?), and of course, if > you're using 172 for your regular LAN, then use 10 for LTSP. > > The advantage to doing this is that it's a lot easier to debug stuff > like martian devices on the network or a broken config somewhere. > > Cheers, > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Tue Dec 6 04:00:04 2005 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 20:00:04 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Just when you think you're the first to have a good idea Message-ID: <43950CC4.7030602@rogueriver.k12.or.us> You know how it is. Here I was, smug in the knowledge that the project I took on when my milk crate server ( http://www.flickr.com/photos/taupehat/sets/567684/ ) finally decided to give up any notion of writing intelligible data to the hard drive, that this project would also be just as unique. So I scratched my head, obtained the requisite equipment, annoyed the neighbors with the sound of a dremel for an hour or so, and produced Cylon, my home server: http://www.flickr.com/photos/taupehat/sets/1079266/ So it was with some surprise that I found a link right on the K12LTSP site that pointed to what I thought was going to be my server, and instead found that I'd been badly beaten to the punch: http://www.riverdale.k12.or.us/linux/toaster/ Touche. My machine is working wonderfully as an NFS, WWW, MySQL, and CUPS server, currently at 35 days uptime, with the last outage occurring only to install an extra (200G) hard drive and put a UPS in front of it. Unfortunately, newegg no longer stocks that motherboard/CPU combo, because for $55 with included VANM, it would have made an excellent base system for thin clients! Cheers, Mike From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Dec 6 07:05:15 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 23:05:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] First set of K12LTSP 4.2.2EL 64 bit packages Message-ID: As I mentioned a few weeks ago, I've been working on native 64bit builds of K12LTSP. I decided to start with a CentOS 4.2 x86_64 base first, since that is the most difficult. A Fedora 4 x86_64 build will follow. The bulk of the work is done, but there is still much to do. At this point, the repositories work properly (at least I *think* they are working properly ;-). No ISOs yet, but that should be easy once the packages are finished. Childsplay is known to be broken. All other programs at least startup and *look* like they work ok. There is no NASD sound support (currently the default in lts.conf) since I don't have 64 bit compatible server-side libraries. The default will most likely be changed to ESD. Firefox has been replaced with the 32bit version. This was done so that the plugins work: flash, acrobat, java, etc. If you have a spare 64 bit box laying around and feel the urge to help me test, install CentOS 4.2 x86_64 and run these commands... rpm --import http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/RPM-GPG-KEY-centos4 rpm --import http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP-GPG-KEY rpm -Uhv ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.2EL-64bit/RPMS/new/k12ltsp-release-4.2.2EL-0.noarch.rpm rpm --import /usr/share/doc/k12ltsp/*KEY* yum install k12ltsp-core k12ltsp-education k12ltsp-extras k12ltsp-utils -Eric From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Tue Dec 6 09:03:18 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 09:03:18 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Changing Machines from Windows AD/Domain control to Samba In-Reply-To: <20051205162514.GA26628@bill.heins.net> References: <20051205162514.GA26628@bill.heins.net> Message-ID: <439553D6.1040102@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Mike Heins wrote: > We have 100+ machines which have been authenticating into a > Windows ADS domain controller, i.e. Active Directory. We would like > to remove the last Windows server from the network and have all of > those machines authenticate into Samba instead. > > In my tests, it appears that it is not as simple as turning on domain > logons on the Samba server and switching off the Windows DC. Can someone > shed some light on this process and how I might be able to accomplish > my aim without reconfiguring 100+ clients? > You should be able to use the `net vampire` command to `suck` the machine accounts from Doze to Samba. There is a whole chapter in the `Samba Howto` book thats available online. Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Dec 6 12:26:54 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 07:26:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Just when you think you're the first to have a good=?ISO-8859-1?Q? idea?= In-Reply-To: <43950CC4.7030602@rogueriver.k12.or.us> References: <43950CC4.7030602@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, December 5, 2005 at 11:00 PM +0000 wrote: >So it was with some surprise that I found a link right on the K12LTSP >site that pointed to what I thought was going to be my server, and >instead found that I'd been badly beaten to the punch: >http://www.riverdale.k12.or.us/linux/toaster/ > >Touche. Not really....the toaster is actually a terminal...not a server AFAIK....so....YOU WIN! :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Dec 6 12:29:36 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 07:29:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] What does this change? In-Reply-To: <200512051021.45216.scott@hosef.org> References: <200512051021.45216.scott@hosef.org> Message-ID: Should kick a$$ especially once the Samba bits are polished...I think you can put Samba onto it, but not sure if the GUI works with it....should though. Anyone gonna' test? scott at hosef.org on Monday, December 5, 2005 at 3:21 PM +0000 wrote: >http://directory.fedora.redhat.com/wiki/Main_Page > >"NEW - Fedora Directory Server 1.0 is released >We are pleased to announce the release of Fedora Directory Server 1.0! >This >version fulfills the promise to open all of the directory server source >code >that we made almost 1 year ago - 12/8/2004 - the date at which Red Hat >acquired the code. Here are some Screenshots. > >Welcome >Welcome to the Fedora Directory Server. The Fedora Directory Server is a >robust, scalable open-source server designed to manage large directories >of >users and resources. It is based on an open-systems server protocol >called >the Lightweight Directory Access Protocol (LDAP)." > > > >It sounds like this is going to provide the same functionality of >Skolelinux' >integration of LDAP with Webmin or this lists' own SMB-LDAP installer. >Is >this somewhat correct? Impressive work, as always, by the Fedora team. > >--scott > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Dec 6 12:32:26 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 07:32:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] A wiki for submitting articles for the New =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22The ?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q? OpenSource_?= Educat In-Reply-To: <20051205203624.GB17420@sonic.net> References: < > <20051202172027.90B47106C@relay1.mail.twtelecom.net> <20051205203624.GB17420@sonic.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, December 5, 2005 at 3:36 PM +0000 wrote: >Ditto! (Need to catch up on this thread today, too! Don't wanna miss out >on the excitement!) > >-bill! Bill! Write up something for TuxPaint! Also....do you know anyone at TuxMag who might let us borrow the Scribus template (assuming they use Scribus at this point) so we can use it as a guide and tweak for our needs rather than reinvent the wheel? We'll make it very noticeably different, but I've found a great way to teach myself how to do stuff...is to dissect other stuff from other people. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Dec 6 14:07:43 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 08:07:43 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] New e-Rate guidelines Message-ID: <20051206140231.M54082@winonacotter.org> I receive a letter from eshoolnews here and there and this week noticed a section that notified some major changes for e-Rate funding. A part I noticed and thought may be of interest here is new funding options for Terminal Servers. In the past no server equipment at all was allowed to be purchased under e-Rate funding, but now you can get funding for servers as long as they are used as described in the below clip, "Clarifications also were provided this year with regard to the purchase of terminal servers. These servers, which traditionally are used to connect computers and other standalone devices to a school's local-area network, are eligible as long as the servers to which the discounts are being applied are used to provide internet access to computers or terminals that otherwise would not have internet access at the performance level desired." For those not familiar with e-Rate funding, schools can apply for discounts on services from the Federal Government through this program and receive up to a 90% discount on said services. So you thought LTSP was a cheaper option before, now it can allow you to get your hardware funded! This could be huge for the project, as long as this is known. Article: http://www.eschoolnews.com/news/showStoryts.cfm?ArticleID=5990 Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Dec 6 14:12:52 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 08:12:52 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Missing root-path In-Reply-To: <004801c5f9a1$6f3a9bd0$fc8d10ac@workunits.local> References: <004801c5f9a1$6f3a9bd0$fc8d10ac@workunits.local> Message-ID: <20051206141012.M79995@winonacotter.org> > THEN Just after the message appears ::::: > > ""running dhcpcd on port 67 > > eth0:media link On 100Mbts full duplex > > Error!! No root-path, Check dhcp config etc etc etc.."" > > The beasty hangs on me...!! > > I have looked at the dhcp config and cannot see a problem. the > option root-path appears to be specified ok??? > > any suggestions Please..Remember i am a virgin here just 3days into > linux !!! My guess is that you have another DHCP server interfering. Chances are your router or some other machine on the network is beating your Linux box to the punch when offering dhcp. Try simply unhooking the setup from the rest of your network and booting it to prove out the theory (unplug the second NIC on the server that goes to the network not the client, or if running a single NIC setup unplug the cable feeding the local switch from the network, if both are plugged into a router with integrated switch then be sure the routers dhcp is turned off). I think this is a common mistake. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Dec 6 14:19:04 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 08:19:04 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Kernel Panic In-Reply-To: <439506C8.735D46D0@Sihope.com> References: <1133823042.9965.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4394F048.9000601@rogueriver.k12.or.us> <439506C8.735D46D0@Sihope.com> Message-ID: <20051206141632.M50701@winonacotter.org> On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 21:34:32 -0600, John G. Ruff wrote > Thank you so much for your advice. It turns out that I updated > the packages on the (Linux based) firewall system & the DHCP > server got turned back on. It really is hard to keep track of all > of the side effects. > > After all the time I spent on this today, the couple dollars > sounds like a plan. Email Paul Unwin, he has the same problem :-) I always try and remember to run "chkconfig service_name off" for things like this. Otherwise I turn off critical services like an extra dhcp and then months later when I finally reboot a system (thanks stable linux) I no longer remember that I had stopped certain services and then all hell breaks loose. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tue Dec 6 14:29:03 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 08:29:03 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Wierd question. . . Message-ID: I have a 386 computer that has no card slots and no PCMCIA slots but want to floppy-boot it to a console session from my terminal server for diagnostics and configuration/monitoring purposes. I have a Compex parallel ethernet adapter and was wondering if there is an etherboot floppy for that device. Wierd, I know, but it is just for the heqq of it anyway. . . But after all, it is about bringing new life back to older hardware. . . I like to take the "old hardware" literally. . . Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Tue Dec 6 14:32:18 2005 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 09:32:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Wierd question. . . In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200512061522.jB6FMHJV028832@mx1.redhat.com> Doug, Have you checked out http://rom-o-matic.net/? They might have what you're looking for. -Paul Paul VanGundy Information Technology Director Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 x219 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Doug Simpson Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 9:29 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Wierd question. . . I have a 386 computer that has no card slots and no PCMCIA slots but want to floppy-boot it to a console session from my terminal server for diagnostics and configuration/monitoring purposes. I have a Compex parallel ethernet adapter and was wondering if there is an etherboot floppy for that device. Wierd, I know, but it is just for the heqq of it anyway. . . But after all, it is about bringing new life back to older hardware. . . I like to take the "old hardware" literally. . . Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From hick518 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 6 15:25:20 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 07:25:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] New e-Rate guidelines In-Reply-To: <20051206140231.M54082@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20051206152520.36486.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I see that extending internet access is "eligible", but providing file storage is not. Likewise, there is mention of elibible/ineligible software types. Basically, all end-user software looks to be ineligible (except for internet and email software, which is eligible). Since K12LTSP does everything (oh yes, it can do it all!), you end up with a server that is providing a mix of eligible and ineligible services. Looks like you can still get "partial credit" for this type of server, but how would you guys suggest maximizing your credit? Build an application server that handles firefox and email? It just seems strange to me that you could get 100% credit for a server that only handles internet and email. But if you go and install an "end-user application" on that same server, your credit gets reduced... -Rob --- Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I receive a letter from eshoolnews here and there > and this week noticed a > section that notified some major changes for e-Rate > funding. A part I noticed > and thought may be of interest here is new funding > options for Terminal > Servers. In the past no server equipment at all was > allowed to be purchased > under e-Rate funding, but now you can get funding > for servers as long as they > are used as described in the below clip, > > "Clarifications also were provided this year with > regard to the purchase of > terminal servers. These servers, which traditionally > are used to connect > computers and other standalone devices to a school's > local-area network, are > eligible as long as the servers to which the > discounts are being applied are > used to provide internet access to computers or > terminals that otherwise would > not have internet access at the performance level > desired." > > For those not familiar with e-Rate funding, schools > can apply for discounts on > services from the Federal Government through this > program and receive up to a > 90% discount on said services. > > So you thought LTSP was a cheaper option before, now > it can allow you to get > your hardware funded! This could be huge for the > project, as long as this is > known. > > Article: > http://www.eschoolnews.com/news/showStoryts.cfm?ArticleID=5990 > > Jim Kronebusch > Cotter Tech Department > 507-453-5188 > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL ? Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From edward at netday.org.za Tue Dec 6 15:33:39 2005 From: edward at netday.org.za (Edward Holcroft) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 17:33:39 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Wierd question. . . In-Reply-To: <200512061522.jB6FMHJV028832@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200512061522.jB6FMHJV028832@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: On 06 Dec 2005, at 4:32 PM, Paul VanGundy wrote: > Doug, > > Have you checked out http://rom-o-matic.net/? They might have what > you're > looking for. > > -Paul > > Paul VanGundy > Information Technology Director > Epping High School > Epping Middle School > P: 603.679.5472 x219 > F: 603.679.2966 > vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] > On Behalf > Of Doug Simpson > Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 9:29 AM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] Wierd question. . . > > I have a 386 computer that has no card slots and no PCMCIA slots > but want > to floppy-boot it to a console session from my terminal server for > diagnostics and configuration/monitoring purposes. > > I have a Compex parallel ethernet adapter and was wondering if > there is an > etherboot floppy for that device. > > Wierd, I know, but it is just for the heqq of it anyway. . . But after > all, it is about bringing new life back to older hardware. . . I > like to > take the "old hardware" literally. . . Not sure about this, but I seem to recall that the LTSP kernel stopped working on 386's back around 3.10.5, so you may have to go back a bit and make sure you have a 386 compatible kernel. ed From k12osn at perusion.com Tue Dec 6 15:34:57 2005 From: k12osn at perusion.com (Mike Heins) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:34:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] How to make your users love Linux In-Reply-To: <4394E112.7050900@paasda.org> References: <1133829460.9350.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4394E112.7050900@paasda.org> Message-ID: <20051206153457.GA10782@bill.heins.net> Quoting Huck (dhuckaby at paasda.org): > I've always hated MUTT... > and been use'n linux since '93. > What mail client do you use? I will express my hate. After all -- I hate all non-Mutt clients. 8-) Mutt is by far the most powerful mail client I know of -- if you know how to use it properly. For instance, I am replying to this with a "folder-hook", so that any message I send that was sent *to* k12osn at redhat.com automatically makes my From: and Reply-To: be what it is. Of course if you are in the habit of trying to point-and-click your way to happiness, Mutt won't do you much good. But like vim, given an investment of time it returns it with interest. -- Mike Heins Perusion -- Expert Interchange Consulting http://www.perusion.com/ phone +1.765.647.1295 tollfree 800-949-1889 People who want to share their religious views with you almost never want you to share yours with them. -- Dave Barry From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Dec 6 16:15:53 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:15:53 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] New e-Rate guidelines In-Reply-To: <20051206152520.36486.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051206140231.M54082@winonacotter.org> <20051206152520.36486.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20051206161348.M90778@winonacotter.org> > It just seems strange to me that you could get 100% > credit for a server that only handles internet and > email. But if you go and install an "end-user > application" on that same server, your credit gets > reduced... Just step back in your head before filling out the form 471 and remember you are buying this server only to extend access to the internet through thin terminals. Then maybe after you put the server into service more things get added to it such as central home folders, email, etc. :-) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tue Dec 6 16:19:12 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:19:12 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Wierd question. . . In-Reply-To: References: <200512061522.jB6FMHJV028832@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: I have been there, but didn't find one for that thing. . . will look again, though. . . Thanks. . . Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Tue, 6 Dec 2005, Edward Holcroft wrote: > > On 06 Dec 2005, at 4:32 PM, Paul VanGundy wrote: > > > Doug, > > > > Have you checked out http://rom-o-matic.net/? They might have what > > you're > > looking for. > > > > -Paul > > > > Paul VanGundy > > Information Technology Director > > Epping High School > > Epping Middle School > > P: 603.679.5472 x219 > > F: 603.679.2966 > > vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] > > On Behalf > > Of Doug Simpson > > Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 9:29 AM > > To: k12osn at redhat.com > > Subject: [K12OSN] Wierd question. . . > > > > I have a 386 computer that has no card slots and no PCMCIA slots > > but want > > to floppy-boot it to a console session from my terminal server for > > diagnostics and configuration/monitoring purposes. > > > > I have a Compex parallel ethernet adapter and was wondering if > > there is an > > etherboot floppy for that device. > > > > Wierd, I know, but it is just for the heqq of it anyway. . . But after > > all, it is about bringing new life back to older hardware. . . I > > like to > > take the "old hardware" literally. . . > > Not sure about this, but I seem to recall that the LTSP kernel > stopped working on 386's back around 3.10.5, so you may have to go > back a bit and make sure you have a 386 compatible kernel. > > ed > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Tue Dec 6 16:50:46 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 11:50:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] NELS...this summer and budgets Message-ID: Just a note to let you all know that we will be having another awesome conference this June (18th - 21st....arrive p.m. of 18th) at Gould Academy in Bethel, Maine USA. We'll also be having one at the University of New Hampshire as well....July 16-19. This year there will be some really great additions to the NELS conference at Gould (Northeast Linux symposium). We will be adding a "teacher" track where we'll have classroom educators presenting about using, developing lessons, and implementing Free and Open Source applications...etc. in the classroom. (this will not be JUST about Linux....as we had Apple OS X Open Source sessions last year....and sessions that are more generic around things like Moodle and SchoolTool..etc) We're hoping that like last year, we'll see more "teams" of folks from various districts. Matt and I are looking for presenters for this year both at Gould and UNH....if you or someone in your district is doing something cool in or out of the classroom with FOSS (Free Open Source) or with Linux...etc....let me know. Benefits for presenters include: paid honorarium free or reduced conference and room/board (I think free, but can't remember exactly) awesome food! Seriously...ask anyone who has attended in the past...we eat like royalty! You'll learn a LOT from others! For budgeting purposes...I expect the cost of the conference (Gould only...UNH will be higher) to be about the same or a little more....(we're adding a night of lodging to the total...arrive the night before the conference...18th...so we can hit the ground running on the 19th) Last year was $400 (everything included)...I suspect this year will be in the $425 to $450 range. Plan accordingly....hope you can join us! We're going on our 4th year and every year keeps getting better! Last year we had 80+ people! :-) More on UNH...the UNH version of NELS (July 16-19) will be an extension of Gould....NOT a duplicate. It will be geared more toward the tech side of things (more advanced) and we'll have a vendor track as well for those vendors wanting to get into supporting schools and other orgs using Linux and FOSS. If you have a favorite service provider that you might want to get on this wagon...mention it to them. We had some last year at Gould. UNH will also feature sessions for school administrators....superintendents...principals....etc. We'll have superintendents and principals whose schools and districts have made the transition to using Linux and FOSS and will discuss the issues they faced and help to alleviate some fears. This will be a good conference for tech and admin teams to attend....we don't have a set price yet...it will be higher than Gould, but will also include room/board (very nice dorm...very nice)...and conference. Hope to see some of you there as well or instead of Gould. We're looking for presenters for both....so let me know :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From lmcpherson at mail.sumner.k12.me.us Tue Dec 6 17:00:11 2005 From: lmcpherson at mail.sumner.k12.me.us (Larry McPherson) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 12:00:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SME remote access using IE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I would like to configure my SME box so that I can use IE or Firefox for the server-manager, from a remote location - outside the local network. This question is not directly related to K12LTSP - but I was hoping someone can point me to a how-to. At last years Linux symposium David Trask & two other guys helped me and other newbies setup a SME firewall. I'm going to install my third one over Christmas break - but I still manage them remotely (without using IE or Firefox). Thank for any help. Larry From hick518 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 6 17:10:33 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 09:10:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] New e-Rate guidelines In-Reply-To: <20051206161348.M90778@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20051206171033.13242.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > It just seems strange to me that you could get > 100% > > credit for a server that only handles internet and > > email. But if you go and install an "end-user > > application" on that same server, your credit gets > > reduced... > > Just step back in your head before filling out the > form 471 and remember you > are buying this server only to extend access to the > internet through thin > terminals. Then maybe after you put the server into > service more things get > added to it such as central home folders, email, > etc. :-) > oh yeah, I forgot... __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL ? Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Dec 6 17:24:24 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 09:24:24 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] How to make your users love Linux In-Reply-To: <20051206153457.GA10782@bill.heins.net> References: <1133829460.9350.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4394E112.7050900@paasda.org> <20051206153457.GA10782@bill.heins.net> Message-ID: <4395C948.5010300@paasda.org> powerful is all fine and dandy ;) I prefer simplicity, PINE...many dislike pine for sure. But like I say when I see a Lotus or Ferrari cruise'n down the road at 65 mph... "What a waste of power if you aren't going to use it." And my mail habits are quite simplex like the majority of email users, thus, I don't feel that anyone will fall in love with Linux because of the MUTT mail client. No offense was meant of course. --Huck Mike Heins wrote: > Quoting Huck (dhuckaby at paasda.org): > >>I've always hated MUTT... >>and been use'n linux since '93. >> > > > What mail client do you use? I will express my hate. After > all -- I hate all non-Mutt clients. 8-) > > Mutt is by far the most powerful mail client I know of -- if you > know how to use it properly. For instance, I am replying to this > with a "folder-hook", so that any message I send that was sent > *to* k12osn at redhat.com automatically makes my From: and Reply-To: > be what it is. > > Of course if you are in the habit of trying to point-and-click > your way to happiness, Mutt won't do you much good. But like > vim, given an investment of time it returns it with interest. > From les at futuresource.com Tue Dec 6 17:22:36 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 11:22:36 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] SME remote access using IE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1133889756.3099.49.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-12-06 at 11:00, Larry McPherson wrote: > I would like to configure my SME box so that I can use IE or Firefox for the > server-manager, from a remote location - outside the local network. > > This question is not directly related to K12LTSP - but I was hoping someone > can point me to a how-to. First be sure your admin password is not a dictionary word, then enable ssh access on the external port through server-manager. >From outside use: ssh -L980:localhost:980 your_server log in as root with the admin password point your browser at http://localhost:980 In the ssh window you can also use 'su - admin' to pop into the console menu and exiting from there will drop you back to the root prompt. You can also use putty on windows to set up the ssh tunnel by going to the tunnel dialog and using 980 local, localhost:980 as the remote side before connecting. You can also enable VPN connections and use a PPTP VPN from a windows box outside but the ssh tunnel takes less setup and works from anything. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Tue Dec 6 17:24:46 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 11:24:46 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] SME remote access using IE In-Reply-To: <1133889756.3099.49.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1133889756.3099.49.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1133889886.3099.52.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-12-06 at 11:22, Les Mikesell wrote: > > > > This question is not directly related to K12LTSP - but I was hoping someone > > can point me to a how-to. > > First be sure your admin password is not a dictionary word, then enable > ssh access on the external port through server-manager. Forgot to mention: make sure that you have all the updates applied for your SME distribution before enabling outside ssh access. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From lmcpherson at mail.sumner.k12.me.us Tue Dec 6 17:37:48 2005 From: lmcpherson at mail.sumner.k12.me.us (Larry McPherson) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 12:37:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SME remote access using IE In-Reply-To: <1133889756.3099.49.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: WWWOOOOOOOOOOO----HHHHOOOOOOO This worked GREAT! I love it!!! Thanks Larry -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Les Mikesell Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 12:23 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] SME remote access using IE On Tue, 2005-12-06 at 11:00, Larry McPherson wrote: > I would like to configure my SME box so that I can use IE or Firefox for the > server-manager, from a remote location - outside the local network. > > This question is not directly related to K12LTSP - but I was hoping someone > can point me to a how-to. First be sure your admin password is not a dictionary word, then enable ssh access on the external port through server-manager. >From outside use: ssh -L980:localhost:980 your_server log in as root with the admin password point your browser at http://localhost:980 In the ssh window you can also use 'su - admin' to pop into the console menu and exiting from there will drop you back to the root prompt. You can also use putty on windows to set up the ssh tunnel by going to the tunnel dialog and using 980 local, localhost:980 as the remote side before connecting. You can also enable VPN connections and use a PPTP VPN from a windows box outside but the ssh tunnel takes less setup and works from anything. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From JRuff at Sihope.com Tue Dec 6 17:47:58 2005 From: JRuff at Sihope.com (John G. Ruff) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 11:47:58 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] SME remote access using IE In-Reply-To: <1133889886.3099.52.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1133889756.3099.49.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <1133889886.3099.52.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1133891278.4771.16.camel@K8-64> An easy way to do the updates is to install yum, then do a yum update, post-install, reboot sequence. The instructions for all of this are on the contribs.org website: http://contribs.org/modules/news/ Go to the Downloads page, click on the "this page" link in the top line under "Update SME Server". The page is (now) at: http://contribs.org/modules/phpwiki/index.php/How%20to%20update%20SME% 20Server All of the previous remote admin methods work, & using SSH is highly recommended. You can also access it directly from a browser: 1) In the remote system's server-manager, go to the "Remote Access" panel and enter the (external) IP address of the local system(s) which will be used to control it; 2) Set the mask as appropriate; 3) In the local system browser's location field enter https:///server-manager. This is not very useful if your local IP address is dynamic. In my experience, Opera does not work with the SME Server pages, it shows the pages, but does not post the changes. jr On Tue, 2005-12-06 at 11:24 -0600, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Tue, 2005-12-06 at 11:22, Les Mikesell wrote: > > > > > > This question is not directly related to K12LTSP - but I was hoping someone > > > can point me to a how-to. > > > > First be sure your admin password is not a dictionary word, then enable > > ssh access on the external port through server-manager. > > Forgot to mention: make sure that you have all the updates applied for > your SME distribution before enabling outside ssh access. > From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Tue Dec 6 18:09:49 2005 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 13:09:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT:ipchains, firewalls, nat, forwarding In-Reply-To: <20051203210958.GA4004@bill.heins.net> References: <200512010145.jB11jEU11984@www.mi-spot.com> <20051203210958.GA4004@bill.heins.net> Message-ID: <1133892589.16418.3.camel@discovery.hhp> I use a program called FireHol (firehol.sf.net), which uses a simple configuration file to write iptables codes. It works from shutting all the holes and then poking certain things through. I have a pretty decent set of definitions which do some port forwarding and redirection and it works nicely. Henry Burroughs On Sat, 2005-12-03 at 16:09 -0500, Mike Heins wrote: > Quoting Eric Brown (ericbrown at mi-spot.com): > > I call this OT because it's not on a K12LTSP installation. I chose not to > > install a firewall on my K12LTSP installation to simplify matters, since our > > district is "supposed" to handle all that. I never had any trouble with > > the terminal server forwarding things. > > > > I just recieved another server where the vendor installed Fedora core 4 with > > the "Install everything" option, as well as installing a firewall. THis > > machine is going to act as a gateway machine and a file server for a bunch > > of XP machines. Thanks to a question I asked this group a few months ago, I > > managed to get DHCP running. With some googleing, I can ping an external IP > > from one of the XP machines. I would like to allow dns and web access, but > > I want to kill any MSN access and pretty much anything else. > > > > So I'm split. I could ease my headach and turn off the firewall. Would the > > fileserver then allow all traffic through it? > > Yes. But typically, the simple Linux firewall setup only blocks incoming > connections. the settings will allow most *outgoing* traffic. > > > > > OR (and I've been searching on this all day), how can I turn it on to allow > > port s 53 and 80 through the file server. Better yet, can anyone point me > > to a very *simple* explanation of how to do this in general (give a man a > > fish...). All references I could find were too lengthy or strictly involved > > ppp which isn't being used here. > > > > You could use iptables to limit outgoing traffic as well, but it is > hard. > > I am a big command-line guy, but firewalls are too complicated and too > detail-oriented to deal with on that basis. So I recommend using a tool > like GuardDog to manage your firewall. > From ascensiontech at gmail.com Tue Dec 6 18:13:32 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 13:13:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT database help Message-ID: <9bd317560512061013y6f064aeo25757e09d4b563d6@mail.gmail.com> I recently learned that I need to be able to sort users by class. I'm guessing that the best way is to have users in a database? If I set up a table with fields for last name, first name, username, and class couldn't I import a csv file into it if the data was in the same order? Or is there a way to sort rows by the data in a column in a spreadsheet? Obviously my office chops are pretty sad. Any thoughts? Thanks, Peter From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Dec 6 18:27:07 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 12:27:07 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT database help In-Reply-To: <9bd317560512061013y6f064aeo25757e09d4b563d6@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560512061013y6f064aeo25757e09d4b563d6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20051206182430.M1932@winonacotter.org> On Tue, 6 Dec 2005 13:13:32 -0500, Peter Hartmann wrote > I recently learned that I need to be able to sort users by class. > I'm guessing that the best way is to have users in a database? If I > set up a table with fields for last name, first name, username, and class > couldn't I import a csv file into it if the data was in the same > order? Or is there a way to sort rows by the data in a column in a > spreadsheet? Obviously my office chops are pretty sad. Any thoughts? I know Chuck Liebow has his LDAP configured with students and staff broken down by school and grade. This may help you. It may help us offer advice if we knew why you need to sort them by class and whether or not you need to be able to sort when viewing account running on the system or just have a record of accounts in a spreadsheet that you can sort. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From JRuff at Sihope.com Tue Dec 6 18:29:10 2005 From: JRuff at Sihope.com (John G. Ruff) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 12:29:10 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT database help In-Reply-To: <9bd317560512061013y6f064aeo25757e09d4b563d6@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560512061013y6f064aeo25757e09d4b563d6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1133893750.4771.25.camel@K8-64> If this is a one-off, any spreadsheet should be OK. There are many database solutions, but one of the easiest to set up is XAMPP (a LAMP solution) from ApacheFriends: http://www.apachefriends.org/en/index.html This installs Apache (web server), MySQL (database), PHP & Perl (programming languages). It also installs phpMyAdmin http://www.phpmyadmin.net/ to administrate the MySQL tables. It is best if these packages have not already been installed on the server. jr On Tue, 2005-12-06 at 13:13 -0500, Peter Hartmann wrote: > I recently learned that I need to be able to sort users by class. I'm > guessing that the best way is to have users in a database? If I set > up a table with fields for last name, first name, username, and class > couldn't I import a csv file into it if the data was in the same > order? Or is there a way to sort rows by the data in a column in a > spreadsheet? Obviously my office chops are pretty sad. Any thoughts? > > > Thanks, > Peter > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Tue Dec 6 18:31:39 2005 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 10:31:39 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] OT:ipchains, firewalls, nat, forwarding In-Reply-To: <1133892589.16418.3.camel@discovery.hhp> References: <200512010145.jB11jEU11984@www.mi-spot.com> <20051203210958.GA4004@bill.heins.net> <1133892589.16418.3.camel@discovery.hhp> Message-ID: <4395D90B.8010608@rogueriver.k12.or.us> I second that - I use firehol on my webserver, and it does a nice job without too much effort. I've written such things from scratch, and this did what I wanted to do a whole lot quicker than writing yet another 200+ line shell script. One note: ipchains went away with the 2.2 kernel - we now have iptables, which among other things is stateful (think RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT rules). Cheers, Mike Henry Burroughs wrote: > I use a program called FireHol (firehol.sf.net), which uses a simple > configuration file to write iptables codes. It works from shutting all > the holes and then poking certain things through. I have a pretty decent > set of definitions which do some port forwarding and redirection and it > works nicely. > > Henry Burroughs > > > On Sat, 2005-12-03 at 16:09 -0500, Mike Heins wrote: >> Quoting Eric Brown (ericbrown at mi-spot.com): >>> I call this OT because it's not on a K12LTSP installation. I chose not to >>> install a firewall on my K12LTSP installation to simplify matters, since our >>> district is "supposed" to handle all that. I never had any trouble with >>> the terminal server forwarding things. >>> >>> I just recieved another server where the vendor installed Fedora core 4 with >>> the "Install everything" option, as well as installing a firewall. THis >>> machine is going to act as a gateway machine and a file server for a bunch >>> of XP machines. Thanks to a question I asked this group a few months ago, I >>> managed to get DHCP running. With some googleing, I can ping an external IP >>> from one of the XP machines. I would like to allow dns and web access, but >>> I want to kill any MSN access and pretty much anything else. >>> >>> So I'm split. I could ease my headach and turn off the firewall. Would the >>> fileserver then allow all traffic through it? >> Yes. But typically, the simple Linux firewall setup only blocks incoming >> connections. the settings will allow most *outgoing* traffic. >> >>> OR (and I've been searching on this all day), how can I turn it on to allow >>> port s 53 and 80 through the file server. Better yet, can anyone point me >>> to a very *simple* explanation of how to do this in general (give a man a >>> fish...). All references I could find were too lengthy or strictly involved >>> ppp which isn't being used here. >>> >> You could use iptables to limit outgoing traffic as well, but it is >> hard. >> >> I am a big command-line guy, but firewalls are too complicated and too >> detail-oriented to deal with on that basis. So I recommend using a tool >> like GuardDog to manage your firewall. >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From les at futuresource.com Tue Dec 6 18:42:45 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 12:42:45 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT database help In-Reply-To: <9bd317560512061013y6f064aeo25757e09d4b563d6@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560512061013y6f064aeo25757e09d4b563d6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1133894565.3398.11.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-12-06 at 12:13, Peter Hartmann wrote: > I recently learned that I need to be able to sort users by class. I'm > guessing that the best way is to have users in a database? If I set > up a table with fields for last name, first name, username, and class > couldn't I import a csv file into it if the data was in the same > order? Or is there a way to sort rows by the data in a column in a > spreadsheet? Obviously my office chops are pretty sad. Any thoughts? The unix/linux 'sort' command will sort just about anything you can describe in a text file but the syntax is kind of bizarre. What are you starting with for the source of the data and what do you need to output? -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jobrien at meridian.wednet.edu Tue Dec 6 18:44:40 2005 From: jobrien at meridian.wednet.edu (Joe O'Brien) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 10:44:40 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Attendance Dialer In-Reply-To: <4395D90B.8010608@rogueriver.k12.or.us> References: <1133892589.16418.3.camel@discovery.hhp> <200512010145.jB11jEU11984@www.mi-spot.com> <20051203210958.GA4004@bill.heins.net> <1133892589.16418.3.camel@discovery.hhp> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20051206104440.022dd750@mail.meridian.wednet.edu> Is anyone using linux for an attendance dialer? --thanks --joe o'brien --Meridian School District From ascensiontech at gmail.com Tue Dec 6 18:46:41 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 13:46:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT database help In-Reply-To: <20051206182430.M1932@winonacotter.org> References: <9bd317560512061013y6f064aeo25757e09d4b563d6@mail.gmail.com> <20051206182430.M1932@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <9bd317560512061046g2af7c649h66a1b591932b69ae@mail.gmail.com> The scenario is this: The 8th grade needs more pykota credits because they are doing a paper. I'd like to be able to add those credits for the group to postgresql. FYI,I haven't added the users yet and I'm a little confused. There are some printers I only want teachers to print to. Would I be adding a group "students" and then adding the classes groups to "students" and then the individulas to the classes groups? Then I could add the student group to the printers I want accessible to students? Does that make sense and is that a good way to do it? I figured that if I can't add groups to groups in the postgresql backend then I'd need a sortable list of students. Thanks, Peter On 12/6/05, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > On Tue, 6 Dec 2005 13:13:32 -0500, Peter Hartmann wrote > > I recently learned that I need to be able to sort users by class. > > I'm guessing that the best way is to have users in a database? If I > > set up a table with fields for last name, first name, username, and class > > couldn't I import a csv file into it if the data was in the same > > order? Or is there a way to sort rows by the data in a column in a > > spreadsheet? Obviously my office chops are pretty sad. Any thoughts? > > I know Chuck Liebow has his LDAP configured with students and staff broken > down by school and grade. This may help you. > > It may help us offer advice if we knew why you need to sort them by class and > whether or not you need to be able to sort when viewing account running on the > system or just have a record of accounts in a spreadsheet that you can sort. > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Dec 6 19:01:46 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 11:01:46 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] OT database help In-Reply-To: <9bd317560512061046g2af7c649h66a1b591932b69ae@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560512061013y6f064aeo25757e09d4b563d6@mail.gmail.com> <20051206182430.M1932@winonacotter.org> <9bd317560512061046g2af7c649h66a1b591932b69ae@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4395E01A.7000705@paasda.org> I'd suggest writing to the Pykota mailliset Peter. Jerome or one of the gurus there likely would be able to answer you with a one-liner ;) But for Pykota. you add printers to printer groups and you add users to user groups and then you can assign those groups to printers or printer groups. Pykota has all of this available to you via the 'edpykota' command. --Huck Peter Hartmann wrote: > The scenario is this: The 8th grade needs more pykota credits because > they are doing a paper. I'd like to be able to add those credits for > the group to postgresql. FYI,I haven't added the users yet and I'm a > little confused. There are some printers I only want teachers to > print to. Would I be adding a group "students" and then adding the > classes groups to "students" and then the individulas to the classes > groups? Then I could add the student group to the printers I want > accessible to students? Does that make sense and is that a good way to > do it? I figured that if I can't add groups to groups in the > postgresql backend then I'd need a sortable list of students. > > > Thanks, > Peter > > > On 12/6/05, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > >>On Tue, 6 Dec 2005 13:13:32 -0500, Peter Hartmann wrote >> >>>I recently learned that I need to be able to sort users by class. >>>I'm guessing that the best way is to have users in a database? If I >>>set up a table with fields for last name, first name, username, and class >>>couldn't I import a csv file into it if the data was in the same >>>order? Or is there a way to sort rows by the data in a column in a >>>spreadsheet? Obviously my office chops are pretty sad. Any thoughts? >> >>I know Chuck Liebow has his LDAP configured with students and staff broken >>down by school and grade. This may help you. >> >>It may help us offer advice if we knew why you need to sort them by class and >>whether or not you need to be able to sort when viewing account running on the >>system or just have a record of accounts in a spreadsheet that you can sort. >> >>-- >>This message has been scanned for viruses and >>dangerous content by the Cotter Technology >>Department, and is believed to be clean. >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From jh at clongowes.net Tue Dec 6 18:56:05 2005 From: jh at clongowes.net (John Hegarty) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 18:56:05 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] phpSANE - how to get it working? In-Reply-To: <20051115170034.B72F473240@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20051115170034.B72F473240@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1133895365.4731.17.camel@jh.cwc.edu> Had a look at phpsane today as I liked the idea of linking the scanner up to the network. SANE is working and I can scan pictures ok through gimp etc. php and apache are both working too. I'm on k12ltsp 4.4.1 I can't get phpSANE working though. I've tried versions 0.3.3 and 0.4.1 but with no success. when you click on "scan" a popup comes straight away with a picture to open or save but the file is empty. The README suggested ; "Make sure that your apache user is able to scan with scanimage. Your apache user must have write-access to your scanner device, too. Another way to solve this problem is installing scanimage +suid-root." but I don't know how. Can anyone point the way? jh Ireland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Nothing cooler than [L] ~b tuxpaint to limit the message listing to only emails containing "tuxpaint" in the body, for example. :) > But like I say when I see a Lotus or Ferrari cruise'n down the road > at 65 mph... "What a waste of power if you aren't going to use it." > And my mail habits are quite simplex like the majority of email users, > thus, I don't feel that anyone will fall in love with Linux because of > the MUTT mail client. But the colors! The COLORS, maaan! ;) https://losderover.be:2312/ms-alt/shots/mutt-full.png (Random shot found on google images) -bill! From corycartwright at sbcglobal.net Tue Dec 6 19:42:13 2005 From: corycartwright at sbcglobal.net (CORY CARTWRIGHT) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 11:42:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Attendance Dialer In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20051206104440.022dd750@mail.meridian.wednet.edu> Message-ID: <20051206194213.93597.qmail@web80601.mail.yahoo.com> Sounds like a good job for Asterisk. Joe O'Brien wrote: Is anyone using linux for an attendance dialer? --thanks --joe o'brien --Meridian School District _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Dec 6 19:50:46 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 11:50:46 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] How to make your users love Linux In-Reply-To: <20051206192431.GA25414@sonic.net> References: <1133829460.9350.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4394E112.7050900@paasda.org> <20051206153457.GA10782@bill.heins.net> <4395C948.5010300@paasda.org> <20051206192431.GA25414@sonic.net> Message-ID: <4395EB96.5000709@paasda.org> True!! Gotta love the COLORS!!! =) Bill Kendrick wrote: > > But the colors! The COLORS, maaan! ;) > > https://losderover.be:2312/ms-alt/shots/mutt-full.png > > (Random shot found on google images) > > -bill! > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From william at fragakis.com Tue Dec 6 20:00:44 2005 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 15:00:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] I need to make Flash work faster....wanna pitch Message-ID: <42ca1e1a8c40b57873e0cca8c8d9fd9f@fragakis.com> Peter, Ran the site on a athlon64 3500 (actually probably running around 3700, I love to boost things) and on just the server -otherwise idle, it was sucking up 27% of the CPU. A few things: 1) I opened just the game animation in a separate window - found the url in the page source. If you are unfamiliar on how to do this, let me know. All my years of html finally paid off ; -). This eliminates all the Flash animation menus and ads which helps but still had my CPU use up to about 22-23%. 2) When just the animation in its own window is up, you can right click on it and select the "quality". It comes at "high quality" which is easy to understand why - the backgrounds are in gradients, etc. Reducing the quality to low, drops the CPU use to about 6-8% iirc. I'm not sure why I couldn't do this in the original window - I'm not sure if the animation was in a layer or you just can't do it if it's embedded in html and not standing alone. So... I don't know if there is a way to force Flash to run animations in low quality mode. And I don't think you can get a bunch of young kids to right click the animation either. Again, I don't know if Disney's site designers would offer a low rez version, too. Does anyone know of a way to force Flash Player preferences? You could preload it for the kids by just opening the animation and right clicking and adjusting the quality. But that would be a pain to repetitively do, I'm sure. Otherwise? I think its a case of Flash designers who pushed the animation towards those with reasonably powerful desktops. I'd think even a low to middling Celeron would struggle to do much more than just play this animation on a normal desktop. Regards, William Fragakis morrisbrandon.com > I did. That's how I came up with 70% for the culprits. It's pretty > much any game on the Disney site. Could someone try this one so I can > compare? > > http://disney.go.com/disneychannel/playhouse/koalabrothers/games/ > planegame.html > > I wonder if the nice could be applied to this problem. Is there > away to make the flash plugin show up as a process to be niced? > From scott at hosef.org Tue Dec 6 20:13:16 2005 From: scott at hosef.org (scott) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:13:16 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] How to make your users love Linux In-Reply-To: <4395EB96.5000709@paasda.org> References: <1133829460.9350.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4394E112.7050900@paasda.org> <20051206153457.GA10782@bill.heins.net> <4395C948.5010300@paasda.org> <20051206192431.GA25414@sonic.net> <4395EB96.5000709@paasda.org> Message-ID: <20051206201316.GA26047@belford.net> On Tue, Dec 06, 2005 at 11:50:46AM -0800, Huck wrote: > True!! Gotta love the COLORS!!! =) And, seriously, as someone using mutt to access his 50 imap mailboxes, from his sidekick, you gotta love it. Mutt barks. --scott > > > Bill Kendrick wrote: > > > >But the colors! The COLORS, maaan! ;) > > > > https://losderover.be:2312/ms-alt/shots/mutt-full.png > > > >(Random shot found on google images) > > > >-bill! > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From efeldhusen at chartermi.net Tue Dec 6 20:14:02 2005 From: efeldhusen at chartermi.net (Eric Feldhusen) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 15:14:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] New e-Rate guidelines In-Reply-To: <20051206161348.M90778@winonacotter.org> References: <20051206140231.M54082@winonacotter.org> <20051206152520.36486.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20051206161348.M90778@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <4395F10A.4030703@chartermi.net> Jim Kronebusch wrote: >> It just seems strange to me that you could get 100% >> credit for a server that only handles internet and >> email. But if you go and install an "end-user >> application" on that same server, your credit gets >> reduced... > > Just step back in your head before filling out the form 471 and remember you > are buying this server only to extend access to the internet through thin > terminals. Then maybe after you put the server into service more things get > added to it such as central home folders, email, etc. :-) If you do add things that are non-eligible to an eligible device purchased under USF and you get an audit, that funding request for that server could be red-flagged and you'd have to repay the money to the SLD. I'd recommend against adding non-eligible services. -- Eric Feldhusen System Administrator http://www.remc1.org PO Box 270 (906) 482-4520 x239 809 Hecla St (906) 482-5031 fax Hancock, MI 49930 (906) 370 6202 mobile From nsantiago at caclv.org Tue Dec 6 20:41:45 2005 From: nsantiago at caclv.org (Santiago, Nicholas) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 15:41:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP Servers anyone? Message-ID: Hi all-- Another interesting project today... looking to set up a DHCP server for a wireless access point. My thought for MAC address filtering would be to provide valid IP reservations for authenticated clients, and then give BS addresses for anyone else. 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And yes, I hope the guys with dark glasses and trenchcoats don't ever come within 3 cities of me. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Tue Dec 6 22:56:55 2005 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 17:56:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] *CUPSYS ERROR* Message-ID: <1133909815.13869.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> All, I am having printer woes on one of our boxes. Here is the error I get when I try to go to Printing: The CUPS Server could not be contacted. I looked in /var/log/cups/error_log and I saw the following: I [05/Dec/2005:21:59:44 -0500] Scheduler shutting down normally. I [05/Dec/2005:21:59:44 -0500] Listening to 0:631 I [05/Dec/2005:21:59:44 -0500] Loaded configuration file "/etc/cups/cupsd.conf" I [05/Dec/2005:21:59:44 -0500] Configured for up to 100 clients. I [05/Dec/2005:21:59:44 -0500] Allowing up to 100 client connections per host. I [05/Dec/2005:21:59:44 -0500] Full reload is required. I [05/Dec/2005:21:59:45 -0500] LoadPPDs: Read "/etc/cups/ppds.dat", 4104 PPDs... I [05/Dec/2005:21:59:45 -0500] LoadPPDs: No new or changed PPDs... I [05/Dec/2005:21:59:45 -0500] Full reload complete. I [05/Dec/2005:22:02:44 -0500] Scheduler shutting down normally. I [05/Dec/2005:22:02:44 -0500] Listening to 0:631 I [05/Dec/2005:22:02:44 -0500] Loaded configuration file "/etc/cups/cupsd.conf" I [05/Dec/2005:22:02:44 -0500] Configured for up to 100 clients. I [05/Dec/2005:22:02:44 -0500] Allowing up to 100 client connections per host. I [05/Dec/2005:22:02:44 -0500] Full reload is required. I [05/Dec/2005:22:02:45 -0500] LoadPPDs: Read "/etc/cups/ppds.dat", 4104 PPDs... I [05/Dec/2005:22:02:45 -0500] LoadPPDs: No new or changed PPDs... I [05/Dec/2005:22:02:45 -0500] Full reload complete. Everything looks fine. I went to bash terminal and typed /etc/init.d/cupsys restart and /etc/init.d/hplip restart. Both restart OK and without errors. I can't print from bash terminal either. I must have over looked something. Sometimes it's good to get people outside of the box to help. Any ideas? -Paul -- Paul VanGundy Information Technology Director Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Tue Dec 6 23:16:22 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 16:16:22 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Firefox question Message-ID: <43961BC6.3000207@elp.rr.com> At my school we have some ambitious and enterprising students who like to find and look at nude pictures. Our district filter stops a great deal of this but when a student succeeds we need to deal with the situation and also get the sites added to the block list. All of this leads to my question; Is there a way to print the Firefox usage history for a specific user either from the user's login or from ROOT? If there is how do I go about doing it? Thanks in advance Pat From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Dec 6 23:28:07 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 15:28:07 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Firefox question In-Reply-To: <43961BC6.3000207@elp.rr.com> References: <43961BC6.3000207@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <43961E87.1060102@paasda.org> I use poor-mans-cross-reference parsing... This being said... squid access logs coupled with the IP address of the machine... coupled with the date/time of access... checked against who was logged in at that machine with the 'last' command... also coupled with dansguardian DENIED logs for same machine/date/time...to see what else they TRIED to view but got blocked on :) a REAL pain in the butt...but it's so rare that I've not taken the time to even attempt a script to gather all the the garbage...and make it user friendly or anything. --Huck John P. Conlon wrote: > At my school we have some ambitious and enterprising students who like > to find and look at nude pictures. Our district filter stops a great > deal of this but when a student succeeds we need to deal with the > situation and also get the sites added to the block list. All of this > leads to my question; > > Is there a way to print the Firefox usage history for a specific user > either from the user's login or from ROOT? If there is how do I go > about doing it? > > Thanks in advance > Pat > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Tue Dec 6 23:22:01 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 16:22:01 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Documentation question Message-ID: <43961D19.5050300@elp.rr.com> One of our assistant principals has been dealing with a student and his parent. The students has been accessing in appropriate web pages during class time and claiming that another students has been accessing his desktop and doing it. What my assistant principal needs is some kind of documentation that he could use before a judge that explains clearly how it is not possible for another student to access a given student's desk top short of the given students having logged in or given away his login information. Does this information exist in a printable format and where can I find it? Thanks in advance Pat From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Tue Dec 6 23:27:04 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 16:27:04 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Firefox question In-Reply-To: <43961E87.1060102@paasda.org> References: <43961BC6.3000207@elp.rr.com> <43961E87.1060102@paasda.org> Message-ID: <43961E48.9060002@elp.rr.com> I appreciate the information but I'm not that good. I was really hoping that there was some simpler :'( procedure. I'm basically just a teacher who is at the build the network and install the software stage. If I get a problem I'm usually lost. Huck wrote: > I use poor-mans-cross-reference parsing... > > This being said... > > squid access logs > coupled with the IP address of the machine... > coupled with the date/time of access... > checked against who was logged in at that machine with the 'last' > command... > > also coupled with dansguardian DENIED logs for same > machine/date/time...to see what else they TRIED to view but got > blocked on :) > > a REAL pain in the butt...but it's so rare that I've not taken the > time to even attempt a script to gather all the the garbage...and make > it user friendly or anything. > > > --Huck > > John P. Conlon wrote: > >> At my school we have some ambitious and enterprising students who >> like to find and look at nude pictures. Our district filter stops a >> great deal of this but when a student succeeds we need to deal with >> the situation and also get the sites added to the block list. All of >> this leads to my question; >> >> Is there a way to print the Firefox usage history for a specific user >> either from the user's login or from ROOT? If there is how do I go >> about doing it? >> >> Thanks in advance >> Pat >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us Tue Dec 6 23:27:30 2005 From: dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 15:27:30 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Firefox question In-Reply-To: <43961BC6.3000207@elp.rr.com> References: <43961BC6.3000207@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <43961E62.1070101@mesd.k12.or.us> John P. Conlon wrote: > Is there a way to print the Firefox usage history for a specific user > either from the user's login or from ROOT? If there is how do I go > about doing it? It's all in ~/.mozilla/firefox/*.slt/history.dat, which is in Mork format. See the open bug on it being difficult to parse: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=241438 -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Dec 6 23:36:21 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 15:36:21 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Documentation question In-Reply-To: <43961D19.5050300@elp.rr.com> References: <43961D19.5050300@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <43962075.2010209@paasda.org> nothing like that can possibly exist.. student B can easily guess student A's password..username is a given. and if he can't easily guess it...likely brute force cracker would be able to...given said student was resourceful enough to find one... or gain root access and then modify student A's password...use for porn...then change password back... I'd say security-wise...the phrase "not possible for another student to have access" on a K12LTSP system...wouldn't really hold up anywhere. --Huck John P. Conlon wrote: > One of our assistant principals has been dealing with a student and his > parent. The students has been accessing in appropriate web pages during > class time and claiming that another students has been accessing his > desktop and doing it. What my assistant principal needs is some kind of > documentation that he could use before a judge that explains clearly how > it is not possible for another student to access a given student's desk > top short of the given students having logged in or given away his login > information. > > Does this information exist in a printable format and where can I find it? > > Thanks in advance > Pat > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Dec 7 00:00:07 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 16:00:07 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Firefox question In-Reply-To: <43961E62.1070101@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <43961BC6.3000207@elp.rr.com> <43961E62.1070101@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <43962607.1040104@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Dan Young wrote: > John P. Conlon wrote: > >> Is there a way to print the Firefox usage history for a specific user >> either from the user's login or from ROOT? If there is how do I go >> about doing it? > > > It's all in ~/.mozilla/firefox/*.slt/history.dat, which is in Mork > format. See the open bug on it being difficult to parse: > > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=241438 > This will get you close... at least close enough to match on a "bad" url: strings history.dat | grep http Or if you have access to their account, fire up their firefox and click on Go -> History ;-) -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Ideally you can go back and look at logs to see which terminal requests were coming from to verify that the student's assigned seat was the one initiating the requests, but if you can't, you just tell the parents that you have evidence that their child's account was used to access inappropriate material. Unless the parent has evidence that someone else has access to that account, you must conclude that their child is responsible. For fun, give the parent access to the system for an hour and see if they can access some other child's account. Todd From toshio at tiki-lounge.com Wed Dec 7 00:55:34 2005 From: toshio at tiki-lounge.com (Toshio Kuratomi) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 16:55:34 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] How to make your users love Linux In-Reply-To: <4395C948.5010300@paasda.org> References: <1133829460.9350.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4394E112.7050900@paasda.org> <20051206153457.GA10782@bill.heins.net> <4395C948.5010300@paasda.org> Message-ID: <1133916934.26084.17.camel@localhost> On Tue, 2005-12-06 at 09:24 -0800, Huck wrote: > powerful is all fine and dandy ;) > I prefer simplicity, PINE...many dislike pine for sure. > But like I say when I see a Lotus or Ferrari cruise'n down the road > at 65 mph... "What a waste of power if you aren't going to use it." > And my mail habits are quite simplex like the majority of email users, > thus, I don't feel that anyone will fall in love with Linux because of > the MUTT mail client. pine is like vanilla ice cream. If you've never had another kind of ice cream you can easily say it's everything you need. But if you try enough of the other gadzillion flavours you're going to find there's something you like even more because vanilla is just too basic. Mutt is significantly more complex than pine, but it has many _necessary_ features that pine just lacks. Once you've learned to use those features, there's no way to go back. -Toshio -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From smooge at gmail.com Wed Dec 7 01:15:56 2005 From: smooge at gmail.com (Stephen J. Smoogen) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 18:15:56 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] How to make your users love Linux In-Reply-To: <1133916934.26084.17.camel@localhost> References: <1133829460.9350.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4394E112.7050900@paasda.org> <20051206153457.GA10782@bill.heins.net> <4395C948.5010300@paasda.org> <1133916934.26084.17.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <80d7e4090512061715m4c2bd679wc24874b82f2449c4@mail.gmail.com> On 12/6/05, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > On Tue, 2005-12-06 at 09:24 -0800, Huck wrote: > > powerful is all fine and dandy ;) > > I prefer simplicity, PINE...many dislike pine for sure. > > But like I say when I see a Lotus or Ferrari cruise'n down the road > > at 65 mph... "What a waste of power if you aren't going to use it." > > And my mail habits are quite simplex like the majority of email users, > > thus, I don't feel that anyone will fall in love with Linux because of > > the MUTT mail client. > > pine is like vanilla ice cream. If you've never had another kind of ice > cream you can easily say it's everything you need. But if you try > enough of the other gadzillion flavours you're going to find there's > something you like even more because vanilla is just too basic. Mutt is > significantly more complex than pine, but it has many _necessary_ > features that pine just lacks. Once you've learned to use those > features, there's no way to go back. > Actually.. it is a much more complicated relationship. layout, feel, features and speed are all things that people look at when using a product. There is something personal in those choices and trying to compare them is at some point impossible due to the objectivity. I know this from the silliness of having tried to switch from pine many times. I used mutt for a month straight and found that for its extra features, its gui and feel of editing were so different that I never got to liking it. At the end of the month, I went back to pine because it just speaks to me better. Not everyone can be a Mac user, a Linux user or a Windows user (thank goodness). -- Stephen J Smoogen. CSIRT/Linux System Administrator From nbs at sonic.net Wed Dec 7 01:57:53 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 17:57:53 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] How to make your users love Linux In-Reply-To: <80d7e4090512061715m4c2bd679wc24874b82f2449c4@mail.gmail.com> References: <1133829460.9350.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4394E112.7050900@paasda.org> <20051206153457.GA10782@bill.heins.net> <4395C948.5010300@paasda.org> <1133916934.26084.17.camel@localhost> <80d7e4090512061715m4c2bd679wc24874b82f2449c4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20051207015753.GA17650@sonic.net> On Tue, Dec 06, 2005 at 06:15:56PM -0700, Stephen J. Smoogen wrote: > I know this from the silliness of having tried to switch from pine > many times. I used mutt for a month straight and found that for its > extra features, its gui and feel of editing were so different ^^^^^^^ I'm curious about this. Why not just use Pico as your editor with Mutt? -bill! From corycartwright at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 7 02:04:58 2005 From: corycartwright at sbcglobal.net (Cory Cartwright) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 21:04:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Attendance Dialer In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20051206104440.022dd750@mail.meridian.wednet.edu> References: <1133892589.16418.3.camel@discovery.hhp> <200512010145.jB11jEU11984@www.mi-spot.com> <20051203210958.GA4004@bill.heins.net> <1133892589.16418.3.camel@discovery.hhp> <3.0.5.32.20051206104440.022dd750@mail.meridian.wednet.edu> Message-ID: <1133921098.5270.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Here are some links: http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-users/2005-April/099756.html http://www.digium.com/ Good luck, feel free to email me. Cory On Tue, 2005-12-06 at 13:44, Joe O'Brien wrote: > Is anyone using linux for an attendance dialer? > > --thanks > --joe o'brien > --Meridian School District > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Cory Cartwright From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Wed Dec 7 02:42:21 2005 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 18:42:21 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] How to make your users love Linux In-Reply-To: <20051207015753.GA17650@sonic.net> References: <1133829460.9350.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4394E112.7050900@paasda.org> <20051206153457.GA10782@bill.heins.net> <4395C948.5010300@paasda.org> <1133916934.26084.17.camel@localhost> <80d7e4090512061715m4c2bd679wc24874b82f2449c4@mail.gmail.com> <20051207015753.GA17650@sonic.net> Message-ID: <43964C0D.3020602@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Bill Kendrick wrote: > On Tue, Dec 06, 2005 at 06:15:56PM -0700, Stephen J. Smoogen wrote: >> I know this from the silliness of having tried to switch from pine >> many times. I used mutt for a month straight and found that for its >> extra features, its gui and feel of editing were so different > ^^^^^^^ > If you all don't stop this, I'm going to set all your inits to /usr/bin/emacs - oh also, emacs mailhandler is pretty far beyond pine or mutt (and lacks the license encumberances of pine). On the other hand, I'm really super lazy and use thunderchicken or whatever it's called. And I only use lynx to view pages that people submit to me as recommendations to add to our filtering proxy. Mike From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Wed Dec 7 02:50:08 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 19:50:08 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Documentation question In-Reply-To: <43962075.2010209@paasda.org> References: <43961D19.5050300@elp.rr.com> <43962075.2010209@paasda.org> Message-ID: <43964DE0.9000209@elp.rr.com> These students aren't that smart. Huck wrote: > nothing like that can possibly exist.. > student B can easily guess student A's password..username is a given. > and if he can't easily guess it...likely brute force cracker would be > able to...given said student was resourceful enough to find one... > or gain root access and then modify student A's password...use for > porn...then change password back... > > I'd say security-wise...the phrase "not possible for another student > to have access" on a K12LTSP system...wouldn't really hold up anywhere. > > --Huck > > John P. Conlon wrote: > >> One of our assistant principals has been dealing with a student and >> his parent. The students has been accessing in appropriate web pages >> during class time and claiming that another students has been >> accessing his desktop and doing it. What my assistant principal >> needs is some kind of documentation that he could use before a judge >> that explains clearly how it is not possible for another student to >> access a given student's desk top short of the given students having >> logged in or given away his login information. >> >> Does this information exist in a printable format and where can I >> find it? >> >> Thanks in advance >> Pat >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Wed Dec 7 02:51:17 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 20:51:17 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP Servers anyone? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43964E25.1060905@maltzen.net> You might check out NoCatAuth or NoCatSplash at nocat.net. Santiago, Nicholas wrote: > Hi all-- > > Another interesting project today... looking to set up a DHCP server for > a wireless access point. > > My thought for MAC address filtering would be to provide valid IP > reservations for authenticated clients, and then give BS addresses for > anyone else. > > I'm open to any flavor of Linux, any DHCP daemon, any thoughts would be > welcome. > > -Nick > > nicholas|santiago > telecommunications analyst > community action committee of the lehigh valley, inc. > 1337 east fifth street :: bethlehem, pa 18015-2103 > tel 484.893.1044 :: pcs 484.634.0286 :: fax 610.691.6582 > nsantiago at caclv.org :: www.caclv.org > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Dec 7 03:02:03 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 22:02:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SME remote access using IE In-Reply-To: <1133889756.3099.49.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1133889756.3099.49.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: Even easier....in remote access panel at the top....set the network and subnet to 0.0.0.0 and that will allow you access via https://nameorip-of-server/server-manager "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tue Dec 6 2005 at 12:22 +0000 wrote: >On Tue, 2005-12-06 at 11:00, Larry McPherson wrote: >> I would like to configure my SME box so that I can use IE or Firefox >for the >> server-manager, from a remote location - outside the local network. >> >> This question is not directly related to K12LTSP - but I was hoping >someone >> can point me to a how-to. > >First be sure your admin password is not a dictionary word, then enable >ssh access on the external port through server-manager. > >>From outside use: >ssh -L980:localhost:980 your_server > log in as root with the admin password >point your browser at http://localhost:980 > >In the ssh window you can also use 'su - admin' to pop into the console >menu and exiting from there will drop you back to the root prompt. >You can also use putty on windows to set up the ssh tunnel >by going to the tunnel dialog and using 980 local, localhost:980 >as the remote side before connecting. > >You can also enable VPN connections and use a PPTP VPN from a >windows box outside but the ssh tunnel takes less setup and >works from anything. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Wed Dec 7 04:06:12 2005 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu Dasa) Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 17:06:12 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] Tracking students activities - recovering deleted files In-Reply-To: <43964DE0.9000209@elp.rr.com> References: <43961D19.5050300@elp.rr.com> <43962075.2010209@paasda.org> <43964DE0.9000209@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <43965FB4.3050203@orcon.net.nz> Is there a way to recover files deleted from students trash to see if they have done anything inappropriate? If I had set up backuppc as recommended many times on this list it would be easy. Unfortunately I have not done that and need some other tricks. Another question about tracking student usage. I have a few windows computers in the school it there any way to keep a track of them? They authenticate to LDAP on K12LTSP, is there any record of which user logged on at which time? Is there any other way to track usage of those other computers. All computers access internet through IPCOP with Cop+ (Dansguardian). From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Wed Dec 7 04:13:16 2005 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 20:13:16 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Tracking students activities - recovering deleted files In-Reply-To: <43965FB4.3050203@orcon.net.nz> References: <43961D19.5050300@elp.rr.com> <43962075.2010209@paasda.org> <43964DE0.9000209@elp.rr.com> <43965FB4.3050203@orcon.net.nz> Message-ID: <4396615C.4020207@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Krsnendu Dasa wrote: > Is there a way to recover files deleted from students trash to see if > they have done anything inappropriate? > If I had set up backuppc as recommended many times on this list it would > be easy. Unfortunately I have not done that and need some other tricks. > > Another question about tracking student usage. I have a few windows > computers in the school it there any way to keep a track of them? They > authenticate to LDAP on K12LTSP, is there any record of which user > logged on at which time? Is there any other way to track usage of those > other computers. All computers access internet through IPCOP with Cop+ > (Dansguardian). > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see You're going to find a great deal of information in /var/log/ on the machine in terms of who logged in where and what they did. Also, ipcop has excellent logging facilities, although I preferred squidguard to dansguardian so the logging you have may be less extensive. One question: do the students have their own logins? If not, another trick would be to see if the computer in question logged into yahoo or MSN or some other such service at the same time as the questionable activity was occurring. If the username you capture from that method is not sufficient, you can write a watcher script to do any number of useful things the next time the ipcop box sees that string in the datastream. Cheers, Mike From gentgeen at linuxmail.org Wed Dec 7 04:36:11 2005 From: gentgeen at linuxmail.org (Gentgeen) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 23:36:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] phpSANE - how to get it working? In-Reply-To: <1133895365.4731.17.camel@jh.cwc.edu> References: <20051115170034.B72F473240@hormel.redhat.com> <1133895365.4731.17.camel@jh.cwc.edu> Message-ID: <20051206233611.14506d06@localhost.localdomain> I know I am the one that suggested it -- and I even have done some work on it (translations, documentation stuff, nothing major).... I feel bad now though, cause I have no clue how to help you out :-) I just installed it, and it ran fine.... Hope someone else can help you out on this. One thing I would say though is to watch the Apache logs while doing it. Might lead you in the right direction. On Tue, 06 Dec 2005 18:56:05 +0000 John Hegarty wrote: > Had a look at phpsane today as I liked the idea of linking the scanner > up to the network. > > SANE is working and I can scan pictures ok through gimp etc. > php and apache are both working too. > > I'm on k12ltsp 4.4.1 > > I can't get phpSANE working though. I've tried versions 0.3.3 and 0.4.1 > but with no success. when you click on "scan" a popup comes straight > away with a picture to open or save but the file is empty. > > The README suggested ; > > "Make sure that your apache user is able to scan with scanimage. > Your apache user must have write-access to your scanner device, too. > Another way to solve this problem is installing scanimage > +suid-root." > > but I don't know how. > > Can anyone point the way? > > jh > Ireland -- ***************************************************************** Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation; for 'tis better to be alone then in bad company. - George Washington, Rules of Civility From k12osn at perusion.com Wed Dec 7 04:41:30 2005 From: k12osn at perusion.com (Mike Heins) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 23:41:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Documentation question In-Reply-To: <9D34EEA0-61FF-4B1C-A81C-A8D08CAC05AB@mac.com> References: <43961D19.5050300@elp.rr.com> <43962075.2010209@paasda.org> <9D34EEA0-61FF-4B1C-A81C-A8D08CAC05AB@mac.com> Message-ID: <20051207044130.GA21315@bill.heins.net> Quoting Todd O'Bryan (toddobryan at mac.com): > >I'd say security-wise...the phrase "not possible for another > >student to have access" on a K12LTSP system...wouldn't really hold > >up anywhere. > > But then it wouldn't hold up for anything... No system is impervious > to security breaches, and yet we still hold people responsible for > what happens with their codes and passwords unless they can prove > that they were compromised. We have to. Otherwise we'd have cases of > everyone denying that they did anything. It is indeed devilishly hard to prove unless you can show that other people didn't likely have physical access at the times in question. That is hard to do in a shared lab or on a network. -- Mike Heins Perusion -- Expert Interchange Consulting http://www.perusion.com/ phone +1.765.647.1295 tollfree 800-949-1889 Fast, reliable, cheap. Pick two and we'll talk. -- unknown From k12osn at perusion.com Wed Dec 7 04:44:39 2005 From: k12osn at perusion.com (Mike Heins) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 23:44:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] How to make your users love Linux In-Reply-To: <43964C0D.3020602@rogueriver.k12.or.us> References: <1133829460.9350.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4394E112.7050900@paasda.org> <20051206153457.GA10782@bill.heins.net> <4395C948.5010300@paasda.org> <1133916934.26084.17.camel@localhost> <80d7e4090512061715m4c2bd679wc24874b82f2449c4@mail.gmail.com> <20051207015753.GA17650@sonic.net> <43964C0D.3020602@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <20051207044439.GB21315@bill.heins.net> Quoting Mike Ely (mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us): > Bill Kendrick wrote: > >On Tue, Dec 06, 2005 at 06:15:56PM -0700, Stephen J. Smoogen wrote: > >>I know this from the silliness of having tried to switch from pine > >>many times. I used mutt for a month straight and found that for its > >>extra features, its gui and feel of editing were so different > > ^^^^^^^ > > > If you all don't stop this, I'm going to set all your inits to > /usr/bin/emacs - oh also, emacs mailhandler is pretty far beyond pine or > mutt (and lacks the license encumberances of pine). Oh, I sort of doubt the lisp-based mail of Emacs is beyond Mutt anymore. All of its previous power advantage came from the lisp scripting hooks, and how that you can do Perl or Python for Mutt it blows that away. -- Mike Heins Perusion -- Expert Interchange Consulting http://www.perusion.com/ phone +1.765.647.1295 tollfree 800-949-1889 Fast, reliable, cheap. Pick two and we'll talk. -- unknown From info at proex-india.com Wed Dec 7 05:32:00 2005 From: info at proex-india.com (info) Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 11:02:00 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] RE : NFS problem with HP vectra machine solved Message-ID: <200512070626.jB76Q7Aq008164@mx2.redhat.com> Hello, All I am able to boot the HP vectra machines without any NFS errors. I had to set the network card on 10 MBPS half duplex to work on . ( i hade to change this with the setup floppy of the network card) Then only it works on Dlink- switch witout any errors. Does anyone know how to change this HP-vectra mahchines PCI slot to work on 100 MBPS. ( the pci slot are of 33Mhz) Can anyone tell me what will be the impact or slowness while running these clients on 10MBPS half duplex ?? 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Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/193 - Release Date: 12/6/05 From paulunwin at sdschool.enterprise-plc.com Wed Dec 7 09:22:45 2005 From: paulunwin at sdschool.enterprise-plc.com (Paul Unwin) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 09:22:45 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Re:Missing root-path Message-ID: <007901c5fb0f$c84e67f0$fc8d10ac@workunits.local> Hi Guys Thanks for the feedback.... I did indeed discover a dhcp server in another department. It appears a collegue had been testing winroute without telling anyone else !!!!!! Best regards Paul Unwin Springwell Dene School Sunderland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jon.spriggs at gmail.com Wed Dec 7 14:11:05 2005 From: jon.spriggs at gmail.com (Jon Spriggs) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 14:11:05 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] phpSANE - how to get it working? In-Reply-To: <20051206233611.14506d06@localhost.localdomain> References: <20051115170034.B72F473240@hormel.redhat.com> <1133895365.4731.17.camel@jh.cwc.edu> <20051206233611.14506d06@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <96df2e0b0512070611y592cfbecp@mail.gmail.com> Here's some stuff to try. 1) Set a password on the Apache user (once you've done your testing, you should edit the /etc/passwd file and replace the ! with a *). Log in as apache, then run scanimage, and see what errors (if any) you get. 2) If that works OK, then it might be an issue with the temp folders that it's writing to. Have a read through of the script file that actually scans the image, and see where it's writing the file to. If it's somewhere obvious, check the permissions to that location. With your logged in user, try creating a file in that path. 3) If all else still fails, lookup how to make a file suid root. It should be fairly straight forwards (Remember - Google is your friend! :) ) so check it out and then try running it up again. If it still doesn't work, then you've got problems that you should probably address with the script author! Hope that helps :) Jon "The Nice Guy" On 07/12/05, Gentgeen wrote: > > I know I am the one that suggested it -- and I even have done some work > on it (translations, documentation stuff, nothing major).... > > I feel bad now though, cause I have no clue how to help you out :-) > > I just installed it, and it ran fine.... Hope someone else can help you > out on this. One thing I would say though is to watch the Apache logs > while doing it. Might lead you in the right direction. > > On Tue, 06 Dec 2005 18:56:05 +0000 > John Hegarty wrote: > > > Had a look at phpsane today as I liked the idea of linking the scanner > > up to the network. > > > > SANE is working and I can scan pictures ok through gimp etc. > > php and apache are both working too. > > > > I'm on k12ltsp 4.4.1 > > > > I can't get phpSANE working though. I've tried versions 0.3.3 and > 0.4.1 > > but with no success. when you click on "scan" a popup comes straight > > away with a picture to open or save but the file is empty. > > > > The README suggested ; > > > > "Make sure that your apache user is able to scan with scanimage. > > Your apache user must have write-access to your scanner device, > too. > > Another way to solve this problem is installing scanimage > > +suid-root." > > > > but I don't know how. > > > > Can anyone point the way? > > > > jh > > Ireland > > > -- > ***************************************************************** > Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem > your own reputation; for 'tis better to be alone then in bad > company. - George Washington, Rules of Civility > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Jon "Four Star Gun" Spriggs AKA Jon "The Nice Guy" Spriggs From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Dec 7 14:29:10 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 08:29:10 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] BackupPC Question Message-ID: <20051207141949.M56060@winonacotter.org> I am posting to the list but this is mostly for Les :-) I have a new kUbuntu desktop install and was just playing with Adept and installing anything that looked interesting (Adept is cool!). So I noticed that BackupPC was in the list and installed it. However I can not get in, I set a username and password on the install (default user of backuppc) but when I try to log in it says the password is incorrect. I tried to reset the password with "htpasswd /etc/backuppc/htpasswd backuppc" and then giving a new password but no luck. Any ideas? Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From bthomas at psysolutions.com Wed Dec 7 14:40:05 2005 From: bthomas at psysolutions.com (Brad Thomas) Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 08:40:05 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Firefox question In-Reply-To: <43961BC6.3000207@elp.rr.com> References: <43961BC6.3000207@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <4396F445.3050405@psysolutions.com> I'd highly recommend looking into setting up a Proxy and WebFilter. Squid is extremely easy to setup. For the WebFilter, I'd recommend using squidGaurd. Again, that's very easy to setup. You can download an already premade "blacklist" that will block out the porn sites. Also, you should setup Webmin and install SARG (Squid Access Report Generator). This is also easy to setup. You can configure it to automatically generates reports for you each night so you can adjust your blacklists appropriately. I am a novice at Linux, and was able to get that setup and going in just one day without any problems. Plenty of documentation out there on it. John P. Conlon wrote: > At my school we have some ambitious and enterprising students who like > to find and look at nude pictures. Our district filter stops a great > deal of this but when a student succeeds we need to deal with the > situation and also get the sites added to the block list. All of this > leads to my question; > > Is there a way to print the Firefox usage history for a specific user > either from the user's login or from ROOT? If there is how do I go > about doing it? > > Thanks in advance > Pat > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From webmaster at vol.org Wed Dec 7 14:54:16 2005 From: webmaster at vol.org (george kocke) Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 08:54:16 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] SquidGuard client requests In-Reply-To: <1132410917.4854.64.camel@ws016.ltsp> References: <1132333846.4854.47.camel@ws016.ltsp> <1132410917.4854.64.camel@ws016.ltsp> Message-ID: <1133967256.3286.15.camel@tardis.london.volnet> On Sat, 2005-11-19 at 08:35, David Neimeyer wrote: > PS. Does anyone run identd, and what's your experience? Do you feel > compromised by it's insecurities (as Darryl has pointed out)? I run it. It works great until too many people start viewing pages and then it goes insane and eats all CPU cycles. I've never been able to figure out why or how to tame it. -- george kocke http://www.vol.org ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Dec 7 15:14:12 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 10:14:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Catalog of Free and Open Source Software for Education...Win, Mac, Linux! Message-ID: An interesting article about a Catalog of Open Source software available for the Educational Environment...Windows, Mac OS X, and Linux! This catlog is VERY cool! I found several apps I had no idea existed! I highly recommend downloading it (it's a PDF) and checking it out! The original article is here: http://lwn.net/Articles/162675/ The original download site is here: http://www.osv.org.au/index.cgi?tid=155 And I have also posted it here: http://www.vcsvikings.org/schooltools/FOSS-catalog.pdf David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From admin at bookpeople.com Wed Dec 7 15:54:34 2005 From: admin at bookpeople.com (David Neimeyer) Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 09:54:34 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP Servers anyone? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1133970874.18804.25.camel@ws016.ltsp> On Tue, 2005-12-06 at 15:41 -0500, Santiago, Nicholas wrote: > Hi all-- > > Another interesting project today... looking to set up a DHCP server > for a wireless access point. > Nicholas, Petre may be on the right track. Take a look at: http://www.lessnetworks.com/static/download.html Basically, Less Networks offers a Redhat based distro that is packaged to create a "hotspot". I'm pretty sure it uses NoCatAuth. It does almost exactly what you want. We use it in our cafe to offer free WiFi to our customers. The customer walks into the cafe (or within range of the AP). When their wifi card gets power, it starts an authentication process; first reserving access based on MAC, then a timed interval of web access is given once the customer either a) uses an existing account to authenticate via https or b) creates a new user account via https. (to do either, the customer must power up their computer, and once the OS and device drivers load, open a web browser. The web browser will auto- magically redirect the user to the 'splash' page for account authentication/creation) caveat lector: I don't admin our 'edge' server that runs Less Networks' distro. We have a volunteer partnership with them through Austin Wireless City Project. Also, our edge server uses a remote/central server for authentication on the user accounts (hosted by Less Networks somewhere not in my building). However, the software should be completely flexible for your situation. Hope this helps, Regards, -dave -- David Neimeyer BookPeople, Inc. Systems Administrator 603 N. Lamar Austin, TX 78703 800-853-9757 x 402 From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Wed Dec 7 16:26:10 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (jconlon1 at elp.rr.com) Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 09:26:10 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Firefox question Message-ID: <1b9fa81b8f0c.1b8f0c1b9fa8@texas.rr.com> I agree that these things would be helpful locally however in our district everything goes through a district server which has all kinds of blockers. What has happened is that a student found stuff that wasn't in the district blocked list deliberately which is why I was looking for an easy way to get the history from a given acount. We can send the history to the district and they will block thise sites. Thanks Pay ----- Original Message ----- From: Brad Thomas Date: Wednesday, December 7, 2005 7:40 am Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Firefox question > I'd highly recommend looking into setting up a Proxy and WebFilter. > > Squid is extremely easy to setup. For the WebFilter, I'd recommend > using squidGaurd. Again, that's very easy to setup. You can > download > an already premade "blacklist" that will block out the porn sites. > Also, you should setup Webmin and install SARG (Squid Access Report > Generator). This is also easy to setup. You can configure it to > automatically generates reports for you each night so you can > adjust > your blacklists appropriately. I am a novice at Linux, and was > able to > get that setup and going in just one day without any problems. > Plenty > of documentation out there on it. > > John P. Conlon wrote: > > > At my school we have some ambitious and enterprising students who > like > > to find and look at nude pictures. Our district filter stops a > great > > deal of this but when a student succeeds we need to deal with the > > situation and also get the sites added to the block list. All of > this > > leads to my question; > > > > Is there a way to print the Firefox usage history for a specific > user > > either from the user's login or from ROOT? If there is how do I > go > > about doing it? > > > > Thanks in advance > > Pat > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From bthomas at psysolutions.com Wed Dec 7 16:37:37 2005 From: bthomas at psysolutions.com (Brad Thomas) Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 10:37:37 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Firefox question In-Reply-To: <1b9fa81b8f0c.1b8f0c1b9fa8@texas.rr.com> References: <1b9fa81b8f0c.1b8f0c1b9fa8@texas.rr.com> Message-ID: <43970FD1.10404@psysolutions.com> I've always found it easier and much quicker to block items locally than relying on someone else to get things put in place. In my company, everything goes through a Corporate filter as well, but there's been too many times when I've seen some sites go through that I know shouldn't. Having a proxy/filter setup locally, I am more able to fine tune things for this facility than Corporate is able to do. And, when I come in during the morning and go over my reports and see a website that was accessed, I can clamp that down in 5 minutes, without having to go through the redtape and the delay of going through someone else, who may or may not be too busy to get it done that day. Another advantage of having something setup locally is that you're able to CYA. Meaning, you can provide some protection for the local users whereas your District supervisors may not be as forgiving for some violations. It'll also prevent you from getting blindsided by them asking you out of the blue about certain activity that you might be unaware was taking place. But, I suppose it's all up to whatever you feel more comfortable doing. jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: >I agree that these things would be helpful locally however in our >district everything goes through a district server which has all kinds >of blockers. What has happened is that a student found stuff that >wasn't in the district blocked list deliberately which is why I was >looking for an easy way to get the history from a given acount. We can >send the history to the district and they will block thise sites. >Thanks >Pay > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Brad Thomas >Date: Wednesday, December 7, 2005 7:40 am >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Firefox question > > > >>I'd highly recommend looking into setting up a Proxy and WebFilter. >> >>Squid is extremely easy to setup. For the WebFilter, I'd recommend >>using squidGaurd. Again, that's very easy to setup. You can >>download >>an already premade "blacklist" that will block out the porn sites. >>Also, you should setup Webmin and install SARG (Squid Access Report >>Generator). This is also easy to setup. You can configure it to >>automatically generates reports for you each night so you can >>adjust >>your blacklists appropriately. I am a novice at Linux, and was >>able to >>get that setup and going in just one day without any problems. >>Plenty >>of documentation out there on it. >> >>John P. Conlon wrote: >> >> >> >>>At my school we have some ambitious and enterprising students who >>> >>> >>like >> >> >>>to find and look at nude pictures. Our district filter stops a >>> >>> >>great >> >> >>>deal of this but when a student succeeds we need to deal with the >>>situation and also get the sites added to the block list. All of >>> >>> >>this >> >> >>>leads to my question; >>> >>>Is there a way to print the Firefox usage history for a specific >>> >>> >>user >> >> >>>either from the user's login or from ROOT? If there is how do I >>> >>> >>go >> >> >>>about doing it? >>> >>>Thanks in advance >>>Pat >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tim at litwiller.net Wed Dec 7 16:39:58 2005 From: tim at litwiller.net (Tim Litwiller) Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 10:39:58 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Firefox question In-Reply-To: <1b9fa81b8f0c.1b8f0c1b9fa8@texas.rr.com> References: <1b9fa81b8f0c.1b8f0c1b9fa8@texas.rr.com> Message-ID: <4397105E.8060008@litwiller.net> That is what this will provide - even if you don't setup the block list - by setting up the proxy you will be making log files for everything requested - so then sarg or some other log analyzer can give you reports of what has been requested - you can load the blacklists but not have the proxy do anything but log violations - then you will have a list of sites accessed that it would have blocked. that is the list you submit to the district. I'd say it is worth the time setting it up just for that. 3-6 hr or less getting it setup then a few minutes a week running the log analyzer and submitting the sites you want blocked versus no time up front but 3-4 hr a week looking thru firefox history files for sites in a hard to read file - and if not properly locked down the student can clear the history file. jconlon1 at elp.rr.com wrote: > I agree that these things would be helpful locally however in our > district everything goes through a district server which has all kinds > of blockers. What has happened is that a student found stuff that > wasn't in the district blocked list deliberately which is why I was > looking for an easy way to get the history from a given acount. We can > send the history to the district and they will block thise sites. > Thanks > Pay > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Brad Thomas > Date: Wednesday, December 7, 2005 7:40 am > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Firefox question > >> I'd highly recommend looking into setting up a Proxy and WebFilter. >> >> Squid is extremely easy to setup. For the WebFilter, I'd recommend >> using squidGaurd. Again, that's very easy to setup. You can >> download >> an already premade "blacklist" that will block out the porn sites. >> Also, you should setup Webmin and install SARG (Squid Access Report >> Generator). This is also easy to setup. You can configure it to >> automatically generates reports for you each night so you can >> adjust >> your blacklists appropriately. I am a novice at Linux, and was >> able to >> get that setup and going in just one day without any problems. >> Plenty >> of documentation out there on it. >> >> John P. Conlon wrote: >> >>> At my school we have some ambitious and enterprising students who >> like >>> to find and look at nude pictures. Our district filter stops a >> great >>> deal of this but when a student succeeds we need to deal with the >>> situation and also get the sites added to the block list. All of >> this >>> leads to my question; >>> >>> Is there a way to print the Firefox usage history for a specific >> user >>> either from the user's login or from ROOT? If there is how do I >> go >>> about doing it? >>> >>> Thanks in advance >>> Pat >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Wed Dec 7 16:49:07 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 10:49:07 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] BackupPC Question In-Reply-To: <20051207141949.M56060@winonacotter.org> References: <20051207141949.M56060@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1133974147.18975.17.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-12-07 at 08:29, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I am posting to the list but this is mostly for Les :-) > > I have a new kUbuntu desktop install and was just playing with Adept and > installing anything that looked interesting (Adept is cool!). So I noticed > that BackupPC was in the list and installed it. However I can not get in, I > set a username and password on the install (default user of backuppc) but when > I try to log in it says the password is incorrect. > > I tried to reset the password with "htpasswd /etc/backuppc/htpasswd backuppc" > and then giving a new password but no luck. I normally don't use ubuntu but ran through the process using vmplayer and their downloadable 'browser appliance' which turns out to be a basic ubuntu install that lets you apt-get anything else you want. Mine came up working with the password it gave during the install and I was able to change it with the command above. Does /var/log/apache2/error.log have anything interesting about not being able to find or read the htpasswd file? -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Dec 7 17:03:10 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 09:03:10 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] How to make your users love Linux In-Reply-To: <20051207015753.GA17650@sonic.net> References: <1133829460.9350.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4394E112.7050900@paasda.org> <20051206153457.GA10782@bill.heins.net> <4395C948.5010300@paasda.org> <1133916934.26084.17.camel@localhost> <80d7e4090512061715m4c2bd679wc24874b82f2449c4@mail.gmail.com> <20051207015753.GA17650@sonic.net> Message-ID: <439715CE.6020000@paasda.org> haha Pico is what I used before I knew about 'vi' ;) some would say 'emacs' in that sentance...but I've never warped my mind around 'emacs' either ;) am STILL learning 'vi' stuff but that's what I LOVE about Linux...always learning something new... never a dull moment...I don't just have to click on Button X to make everything happen for me and like it that way =) Ignorance is bliss they say, but you stay ignorant which is not blissful I say =) Bill Kendrick wrote: > On Tue, Dec 06, 2005 at 06:15:56PM -0700, Stephen J. Smoogen wrote: > >>I know this from the silliness of having tried to switch from pine >>many times. I used mutt for a month straight and found that for its >>extra features, its gui and feel of editing were so different > > ^^^^^^^ > > I'm curious about this. Why not just use Pico as your editor with Mutt? > > -bill! > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From petre at maltzen.net Wed Dec 7 17:13:58 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 11:13:58 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] I need to make Flash work faster....wanna pitch In-Reply-To: <42ca1e1a8c40b57873e0cca8c8d9fd9f@fragakis.com> References: <42ca1e1a8c40b57873e0cca8c8d9fd9f@fragakis.com> Message-ID: <43971856.9040401@maltzen.net> William Fragakis wrote: > > So... I don't know if there is a way to force Flash to run animations > in low quality mode. And I don't think you can get a bunch of young > kids to right click the animation either. Again, I don't know if > Disney's site designers would offer a low rez version, too. Does anyone > know of a way to force Flash Player preferences? > I haven't worked with it, but perhaps this could be accomplished with greasemonkey (http://greasemonkey.mozdev.org). Petre From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Dec 7 17:17:50 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:17:50 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] BackupPC Question In-Reply-To: <1133974147.18975.17.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <20051207141949.M56060@winonacotter.org> <1133974147.18975.17.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <20051207171652.M35417@winonacotter.org> > /var/log/apache2/error.log have anything interesting about not being > able to find or read the htpasswd file? Here is the error message from the error.log: [Mon Dec 05 18:05:17 2005] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] user backuppc: authentication failure for "/backuppc": Password Mismatch Do you have a suggestion for how to reset the password? -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Dec 7 17:20:28 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:20:28 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] BackupPC Question In-Reply-To: <20051207171652.M35417@winonacotter.org> References: <20051207141949.M56060@winonacotter.org> <1133974147.18975.17.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <20051207171652.M35417@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20051207171927.M94556@winonacotter.org> On Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:17:50 -0600, Jim Kronebusch wrote > > /var/log/apache2/error.log have anything interesting about not being > > able to find or read the htpasswd file? > > Here is the error message from the error.log: > > [Mon Dec 05 18:05:17 2005] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] user backuppc: > authentication failure for "/backuppc": Password Mismatch > > Do you have a suggestion for how to reset the password? Turns out this was another sudo problem :-) I keep forgetting to issue sudo before commands so that I have enough priveleges to make changes. Once I reran the httpasswd command with sudo in front it worked. Thanks -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From les at futuresource.com Wed Dec 7 17:27:06 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 11:27:06 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] BackupPC Question In-Reply-To: <20051207171927.M94556@winonacotter.org> References: <20051207141949.M56060@winonacotter.org> <1133974147.18975.17.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <20051207171652.M35417@winonacotter.org> <20051207171927.M94556@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1133976426.18975.32.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-12-07 at 11:20, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > On Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:17:50 -0600, Jim Kronebusch wrote > > > /var/log/apache2/error.log have anything interesting about not being > > > able to find or read the htpasswd file? > > > > Here is the error message from the error.log: > > > > [Mon Dec 05 18:05:17 2005] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] user backuppc: > > authentication failure for "/backuppc": Password Mismatch > > > > Do you have a suggestion for how to reset the password? > > Turns out this was another sudo problem :-) I keep forgetting to issue sudo > before commands so that I have enough priveleges to make changes. Once I > reran the httpasswd command with sudo in front it worked. That was going to be my suggestion. I never get used to the ubuntu concept of sudo, so I always 'sudo su -' anyway instead of retyping it on every command. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From lmcpherson at mail.sumner.k12.me.us Wed Dec 7 17:43:11 2005 From: lmcpherson at mail.sumner.k12.me.us (Larry McPherson) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 12:43:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SME remote access using IE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200512071843.jB7IhOMT030841@mx1.redhat.com> This is even easier ---- THANKS ---- it works flawlessly. Larry -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of David Trask Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 10:02 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] SME remote access using IE Even easier....in remote access panel at the top....set the network and subnet to 0.0.0.0 and that will allow you access via https://nameorip-of-server/server-manager "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tue Dec 6 2005 at 12:22 +0000 wrote: >On Tue, 2005-12-06 at 11:00, Larry McPherson wrote: >> I would like to configure my SME box so that I can use IE or Firefox >for the >> server-manager, from a remote location - outside the local network. >> >> This question is not directly related to K12LTSP - but I was hoping >someone >> can point me to a how-to. > >First be sure your admin password is not a dictionary word, then enable >ssh access on the external port through server-manager. > >>From outside use: >ssh -L980:localhost:980 your_server > log in as root with the admin password >point your browser at http://localhost:980 > >In the ssh window you can also use 'su - admin' to pop into the console >menu and exiting from there will drop you back to the root prompt. >You can also use putty on windows to set up the ssh tunnel >by going to the tunnel dialog and using 980 local, localhost:980 >as the remote side before connecting. > >You can also enable VPN connections and use a PPTP VPN from a >windows box outside but the ssh tunnel takes less setup and >works from anything. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From les at futuresource.com Wed Dec 7 18:59:17 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 12:59:17 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] SME remote access using IE In-Reply-To: References: <1133889756.3099.49.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1133981957.18975.62.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-12-06 at 21:02, David Trask wrote: > Even easier....in remote access panel at the top....set the network and > subnet to 0.0.0.0 and that will allow you access via > https://nameorip-of-server/server-manager If you are adding that as a local network it also exposes the samba shares to the internet and probably allows relaying of email from anywhere to anywhere and some other things that should be blocked. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From ascensiontech at gmail.com Wed Dec 7 19:20:20 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 14:20:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] I need to make Flash work faster....wanna pitch In-Reply-To: <42ca1e1a8c40b57873e0cca8c8d9fd9f@fragakis.com> References: <42ca1e1a8c40b57873e0cca8c8d9fd9f@fragakis.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560512071120i1d715515s71f05a6c1b531877@mail.gmail.com> > 2) When just the animation in its own window is up, you can right click > on it and select the "quality". It comes at "high quality" which is > easy to understand why - the backgrounds are in gradients, etc. > Reducing the quality to low, drops the CPU use to about 6-8% iirc. I'm > not sure why I couldn't do this in the original window - I'm not sure > if the animation was in a layer or you just can't do it if it's > embedded in html and not standing alone. Good sleuthing William. When I play the game in it's own window it goes from 42% to 26% when switching from high to low. That's pretty dramatic. >Does anyone > know of a way to force Flash Player preferences? There must be a way. I'd love to know how to do it! Thanks, Peter On 12/6/05, William Fragakis wrote: > Peter, > Ran the site on a athlon64 3500 (actually probably running around 3700, > I love to boost things) and on just the server -otherwise idle, it was > sucking up 27% of the CPU. > > A few things: > 1) I opened just the game animation in a separate window - found the > url in the page source. If you are unfamiliar on how to do this, let me > know. All my years of html finally paid off ; -). This eliminates all > the Flash animation menus and ads which helps but still had my CPU use > up to about 22-23%. > > 2) When just the animation in its own window is up, you can right click > on it and select the "quality". It comes at "high quality" which is > easy to understand why - the backgrounds are in gradients, etc. > Reducing the quality to low, drops the CPU use to about 6-8% iirc. I'm > not sure why I couldn't do this in the original window - I'm not sure > if the animation was in a layer or you just can't do it if it's > embedded in html and not standing alone. > > So... I don't know if there is a way to force Flash to run animations > in low quality mode. And I don't think you can get a bunch of young > kids to right click the animation either. Again, I don't know if > Disney's site designers would offer a low rez version, too. Does anyone > know of a way to force Flash Player preferences? > > You could preload it for the kids by just opening the animation and > right clicking and adjusting the quality. But that would be a pain to > repetitively do, I'm sure. Otherwise? I think its a case of Flash > designers who pushed the animation towards those with reasonably > powerful desktops. I'd think even a low to middling Celeron would > struggle to do much more than just play this animation on a normal > desktop. > > Regards, > William Fragakis > morrisbrandon.com > > > > I did. That's how I came up with 70% for the culprits. It's pretty > > much any game on the Disney site. Could someone try this one so I can > > compare? > > > > http://disney.go.com/disneychannel/playhouse/koalabrothers/games/ > > planegame.html > > > > I wonder if the nice could be applied to this problem. Is there > > away to make the flash plugin show up as a process to be niced? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From olivier.royer at educagri.fr Wed Dec 7 20:35:58 2005 From: olivier.royer at educagri.fr (OLIVIER ROYER) Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 21:35:58 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp x86-64 bit Message-ID: I have a server Dell biprocessor Intel Xeon. Do you know if there is a version of k12ltsp x86-64 bit which will be available ? Thank you olivier.royer at educagri.fr From lmcpherson at mail.sumner.k12.me.us Wed Dec 7 21:21:18 2005 From: lmcpherson at mail.sumner.k12.me.us (Larry McPherson) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 16:21:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SME remote access using IE In-Reply-To: <1133981957.18975.62.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <200512072121.jB7LLQD7025774@mx1.redhat.com> Thanks for the tip: I've turned it off for now & using ssh/980 to the localhost. Thanks to both of you for the help! Larry -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Les Mikesell Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 1:59 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] SME remote access using IE On Tue, 2005-12-06 at 21:02, David Trask wrote: > Even easier....in remote access panel at the top....set the network and > subnet to 0.0.0.0 and that will allow you access via > https://nameorip-of-server/server-manager If you are adding that as a local network it also exposes the samba shares to the internet and probably allows relaying of email from anywhere to anywhere and some other things that should be blocked. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From ascensiontech at gmail.com Wed Dec 7 21:23:35 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 16:23:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp x86-64 bit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9bd317560512071323h258bf761u944f4b3e99bd5eee@mail.gmail.com> Funny you should nmention that. On 12/6/05, Eric Harrison wrote: > > As I mentioned a few weeks ago, I've been working on native 64bit builds > of K12LTSP. I decided to start with a CentOS 4.2 x86_64 base first, > since that is the most difficult. A Fedora 4 x86_64 build will follow. > > The bulk of the work is done, but there is still much to do. At this > point, the repositories work properly (at least I *think* they are > working properly ;-). > > No ISOs yet, but that should be easy once the packages are finished. > > Childsplay is known to be broken. All other programs at least startup > and *look* like they work ok. > > There is no NASD sound support (currently the default in lts.conf) > since I don't have 64 bit compatible server-side libraries. The > default will most likely be changed to ESD. > > Firefox has been replaced with the 32bit version. This was done so > that the plugins work: flash, acrobat, java, etc. > > If you have a spare 64 bit box laying around and feel the urge > to help me test, install CentOS 4.2 x86_64 and run these commands... > > rpm --import http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/RPM-GPG-KEY-centos4 > rpm --import http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP-GPG-KEY > rpm -Uhv ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.2EL-64bit/RPMS/new/k12ltsp-release-4.2.2EL-0.noarch.rpm > rpm --import /usr/share/doc/k12ltsp/*KEY* > yum install k12ltsp-core k12ltsp-education k12ltsp-extras k12ltsp-utils > > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > On 12/7/05, OLIVIER ROYER wrote: > I have a server Dell biprocessor Intel Xeon. > Do you know if there is a version of k12ltsp x86-64 bit which will be > available ? > Thank you > > > olivier.royer at educagri.fr > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ascensiontech at gmail.com Wed Dec 7 21:26:03 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 16:26:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] First set of K12LTSP 4.2.2EL 64 bit packages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9bd317560512071326s2cb4a05oc1683fe4a6f24887@mail.gmail.com> AWESOME! I think I'll try this on an imaged backup of the production server to test the water. I'd just have to yum remove the existing k12ltsp-core k12ltsp-education k12ltsp-extras k12ltsp-utils right? And that shouldn't mess with my current childsplay installation right? You rock Eric! Peter On 12/6/05, Eric Harrison wrote: > > As I mentioned a few weeks ago, I've been working on native 64bit builds > of K12LTSP. I decided to start with a CentOS 4.2 x86_64 base first, > since that is the most difficult. A Fedora 4 x86_64 build will follow. > > The bulk of the work is done, but there is still much to do. At this > point, the repositories work properly (at least I *think* they are > working properly ;-). > > No ISOs yet, but that should be easy once the packages are finished. > > Childsplay is known to be broken. All other programs at least startup > and *look* like they work ok. > > There is no NASD sound support (currently the default in lts.conf) > since I don't have 64 bit compatible server-side libraries. The > default will most likely be changed to ESD. > > Firefox has been replaced with the 32bit version. This was done so > that the plugins work: flash, acrobat, java, etc. > > If you have a spare 64 bit box laying around and feel the urge > to help me test, install CentOS 4.2 x86_64 and run these commands... > > rpm --import http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/RPM-GPG-KEY-centos4 > rpm --import http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP-GPG-KEY > rpm -Uhv ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.2EL-64bit/RPMS/new/k12ltsp-release-4.2.2EL-0.noarch.rpm > rpm --import /usr/share/doc/k12ltsp/*KEY* > yum install k12ltsp-core k12ltsp-education k12ltsp-extras k12ltsp-utils > > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Thu Dec 8 00:03:34 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 19:03:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SME remote access using IE In-Reply-To: <200512072121.jB7LLQD7025774@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200512072121.jB7LLQD7025774@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wed Dec 7 2005 at 16:21 +0000 wrote: >If you are adding that as a local network it also exposes the >samba shares to the internet and probably allows relaying of >email from anywhere to anywhere and some other things that >should be blocked. No...it's not a trusted network....it;s only access to the server manager....nothing else will show. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From les at futuresource.com Thu Dec 8 00:37:15 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 18:37:15 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] SME remote access using IE In-Reply-To: References: <200512072121.jB7LLQD7025774@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1134002234.18975.120.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-12-07 at 18:03, David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Wed Dec 7 2005 at 16:21 +0000 wrote: > >If you are adding that as a local network it also exposes the > >samba shares to the internet and probably allows relaying of > >email from anywhere to anywhere and some other things that > >should be blocked. > > No...it's not a trusted network....it;s only access to the server > manager....nothing else will show. I only have an older version of SME - that must have been added as a separate option later. Remote https access to the server-manager site shouldn't be a problem as long as you have a good password. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Thu Dec 8 02:31:25 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 19:31:25 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Firefox question In-Reply-To: <4396F445.3050405@psysolutions.com> References: <43961BC6.3000207@elp.rr.com> <4396F445.3050405@psysolutions.com> Message-ID: <43979AFD.2030406@elp.rr.com> Our district does the blocking at their level in the network. Occasionally a student goes looking for the things that haven't been blocked yet and the ones where the jerks have found a new way around the filters. When they find them the students get a visit to the assistant principal and enjoy several days of in-school punishment suspension. The with last occurrence we had a father threaten to sue the school and various teachers etc. which is why we are looking for things that a tech illiterate judge would understand. Being able to print out a hard copy of that individuals network user history is among the most desirable things to be able to do. Thanks Pat Brad Thomas wrote: > I'd highly recommend looking into setting up a Proxy and WebFilter. > Squid is extremely easy to setup. For the WebFilter, I'd recommend > using squidGaurd. Again, that's very easy to setup. You can download > an already premade "blacklist" that will block out the porn sites. > Also, you should setup Webmin and install SARG (Squid Access Report > Generator). This is also easy to setup. You can configure it to > automatically generates reports for you each night so you can adjust > your blacklists appropriately. I am a novice at Linux, and was able > to get that setup and going in just one day without any problems. > Plenty of documentation out there on it. > > John P. Conlon wrote: > >> At my school we have some ambitious and enterprising students who >> like to find and look at nude pictures. Our district filter stops a >> great deal of this but when a student succeeds we need to deal with >> the situation and also get the sites added to the block list. All of >> this leads to my question; >> >> Is there a way to print the Firefox usage history for a specific user >> either from the user's login or from ROOT? If there is how do I go >> about doing it? >> >> Thanks in advance >> Pat >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Thu Dec 8 02:41:39 2005 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 18:41:39 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Firefox question In-Reply-To: <43979AFD.2030406@elp.rr.com> References: <43961BC6.3000207@elp.rr.com> <4396F445.3050405@psysolutions.com> <43979AFD.2030406@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <43979D63.3090008@rogueriver.k12.or.us> John P. Conlon wrote: > Our district does the blocking at their level in the network. > Occasionally a student goes looking for the things that haven't been > blocked yet and the ones where the jerks have found a new way around the > filters. When they find them the students get a visit to the assistant > principal and enjoy several days of in-school punishment suspension. > The with last occurrence we had a father threaten to sue the school and > various teachers etc. which is why we are looking for things that a tech > illiterate judge would understand. Being able to print out a hard copy > of that individuals network user history is among the most desirable > things to be able to do. > Thanks > Pat > If you're looking for a solid evidence trail, you're in for a much more expensive ride - a printout like you describe will likely be binned out of hand as heresay if it's introduced on its own. What would be more likely to be effective in that venue is a court-recognized expert witness who can testify to the contents of the cache, along with testimony related to the accuracy of the timestamps and the fact that those cache files were found in that student's profile. If at that point you can prove that the student was actually at that computer at the time matching the timestamps and not some other student, then you've got a case. Of course, you can expect to pay three figures per-hour for an expert witness that has experience in such litigation. Mike From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Dec 8 02:53:16 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 18:53:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] First set of K12LTSP 4.2.2EL 64 bit packages In-Reply-To: <9bd317560512071326s2cb4a05oc1683fe4a6f24887@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560512071326s2cb4a05oc1683fe4a6f24887@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 7 Dec 2005, Peter Hartmann wrote: > AWESOME! I think I'll try this on an imaged backup of the production > server to test the water. I'd just have to yum remove the existing > k12ltsp-core k12ltsp-education k12ltsp-extras k12ltsp-utils right? k12ltsp-core, k12ltsp-education, k12ltsp-extras, & k12ltsp-utils are meta packages - they are empty but require a number of other packages. (k12ltsp-core requires ltsp_i386, ltsp_ppc, ltsp_config, etc, etc) The idea behind a meta package is that it is easier to remember "yum install k12ltsp-core" than it is to remember "yum install ltsp_i386 ltsp_ppc ltsp_config etc etc". So if you remove just the k12ltsp-core package, for example, you won't remove any of the actual ltsp packages. If I were going to try this, this is what I would do (it may even work ;-) First, remove the meta packages: rpm -e k12ltsp-core k12ltsp-education k12ltsp-extras k12ltsp-utils I put all of the packages that I recompiled into a specific directory: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.2EL-64bit/RPMS/new/ I would remove any of the packages there that I wanted to replace: rpm -e inkscape kdeedu qcad scribus (etc, etc) Your yum configuration is probably wrong, you can fix that by removing the k12ltsp-release package and installing the latest one: rpm -e k12ltsp-release rpm -Uhv ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.2EL-64bit/RPMS/new/k12ltsp-release-4.2.2EL-0.noarch.rpm Then I would reinstall the meta packages, which will pull in all of the new 64 bit packages: yum install k12ltsp-core k12ltsp-education k12ltsp-extras k12ltsp-utils > And that shouldn't mess with my current childsplay installation right? Don't remove your current childsplay package and you'll probably be ok. Hopefully tonight I'll figure what I broke ;-) > You rock Eric! Now I just need to complete the roll part! -Eric > On 12/6/05, Eric Harrison wrote: >> >> As I mentioned a few weeks ago, I've been working on native 64bit builds >> of K12LTSP. I decided to start with a CentOS 4.2 x86_64 base first, >> since that is the most difficult. A Fedora 4 x86_64 build will follow. >> >> The bulk of the work is done, but there is still much to do. At this >> point, the repositories work properly (at least I *think* they are >> working properly ;-). >> >> No ISOs yet, but that should be easy once the packages are finished. >> >> Childsplay is known to be broken. All other programs at least startup >> and *look* like they work ok. >> >> There is no NASD sound support (currently the default in lts.conf) >> since I don't have 64 bit compatible server-side libraries. The >> default will most likely be changed to ESD. >> >> Firefox has been replaced with the 32bit version. This was done so >> that the plugins work: flash, acrobat, java, etc. >> >> If you have a spare 64 bit box laying around and feel the urge >> to help me test, install CentOS 4.2 x86_64 and run these commands... >> >> rpm --import http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/RPM-GPG-KEY-centos4 >> rpm --import http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP-GPG-KEY >> rpm -Uhv ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.2EL-64bit/RPMS/new/k12ltsp-release-4.2.2EL-0.noarch.rpm >> rpm --import /usr/share/doc/k12ltsp/*KEY* >> yum install k12ltsp-core k12ltsp-education k12ltsp-extras k12ltsp-utils >> >> >> -Eric >> From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Thu Dec 8 03:42:48 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 22:42:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Reminder of TOSE wiki....and we need articles to publish! You could be famous! Message-ID: The TOSE (The Open Source Educator) wiki is here http://www.vcsvikings.org/tose/doku.php We need folks to begin writing some articles if we ever intend to publish :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Dec 8 03:55:53 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 19:55:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] I need to make Flash work faster....wanna pitch In-Reply-To: <9bd317560512071120i1d715515s71f05a6c1b531877@mail.gmail.com> References: <42ca1e1a8c40b57873e0cca8c8d9fd9f@fragakis.com> <9bd317560512071120i1d715515s71f05a6c1b531877@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 7 Dec 2005, Peter Hartmann wrote: >> 2) When just the animation in its own window is up, you can right click >> on it and select the "quality". It comes at "high quality" which is >> easy to understand why - the backgrounds are in gradients, etc. >> Reducing the quality to low, drops the CPU use to about 6-8% iirc. I'm >> not sure why I couldn't do this in the original window - I'm not sure >> if the animation was in a layer or you just can't do it if it's >> embedded in html and not standing alone. > > > Good sleuthing William. When I play the game in it's own window it > goes from 42% to 26% when switching from high to low. That's pretty > dramatic. > > >> Does anyone >> know of a way to force Flash Player preferences? > > There must be a way. I'd love to know how to do it! > I'm not sure if this is useful or not, but flash does save preferences in ~/.macromedia It is all binary files, but you might be able to set up one user the way you want and copy .macromedia to all of the other user's home directories (and /etc/skel). -Eric From tom.hoffman at gmail.com Thu Dec 8 04:19:20 2005 From: tom.hoffman at gmail.com (Tom Hoffman) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 23:19:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Reminder of TOSE wiki....and we need articles to publish! You could be famous! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <92de6c880512072019n14a98ed8q3d54b7c471da10c@mail.gmail.com> On 12/7/05, David Trask wrote: > The TOSE (The Open Source Educator) wiki is here > http://www.vcsvikings.org/tose/doku.php > > We need folks to begin writing some articles if we ever intend to publish > :-) Do we have a deadline? --Tom From garnold at unrealsolutions.com Thu Dec 8 05:33:13 2005 From: garnold at unrealsolutions.com (Glenn Arnold) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 00:33:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Setting Open Office 2.0 to save as a Doc by default. Message-ID: I believe I have read in this list that several LTSP users have Open Office to save as Microsoft Word Doc. I would like to know if your users loose formatting when saving the OO document as Microsoft Word file instead of OO sxw or OpenDoc file? I realize that you usually loose a little formating, but do you loose enough that you need to check every document that you save that way? Open Office 2.0 definitely improves the Microsoft compatibility, but I am very concerned about loosing page formatting. Personally I would prefer that the users click file save as choose save as a Microsoft Word Doc, but my customer would like me to set the default format to Word in OpenOffice to save some trouble on training issues which I disagree with. I feel we should train the users how to save a document in Word format instead of making the users lemmings and never learn how to use special features in software. Especially since this is a school customer who use OpenOffice/StarOffice internally for the student computers and only the students occasionally have to send a word document to a college. I would like to know everybody's experiences with OpenOffice using Microsoft Word as the default file format. I will use your response to help me decide if I should work harder to convince the customer that this is not a good idea. My personal opinion it is always better to use the original program to create, edit, and save a document then saving to a different format other than the original programs format. Thanks -Glenn From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Thu Dec 8 11:12:36 2005 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 06:12:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Firefox question In-Reply-To: <43979D63.3090008@rogueriver.k12.or.us> References: <43961BC6.3000207@elp.rr.com> <4396F445.3050405@psysolutions.com> <43979AFD.2030406@elp.rr.com> <43979D63.3090008@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1134040356.17660.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> All, CensorNet does caching by user instead of one huge cache. It also integrates with Windows ADS if you have that. Check out the links below. http://www.censornet.com/images/usercontrol.png http://www.censornet.com/images/reportspanel.png This might be worth checking out in your instance. -Paul -- Paul VanGundy Information Technology Director Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us On Wed, 2005-12-07 at 18:41 -0800, Mike Ely wrote: > John P. Conlon wrote: > > Our district does the blocking at their level in the network. > > Occasionally a student goes looking for the things that haven't been > > blocked yet and the ones where the jerks have found a new way around the > > filters. When they find them the students get a visit to the assistant > > principal and enjoy several days of in-school punishment suspension. > > The with last occurrence we had a father threaten to sue the school and > > various teachers etc. which is why we are looking for things that a tech > > illiterate judge would understand. Being able to print out a hard copy > > of that individuals network user history is among the most desirable > > things to be able to do. > > Thanks > > Pat > > > > If you're looking for a solid evidence trail, you're in for a much more > expensive ride - a printout like you describe will likely be binned out > of hand as heresay if it's introduced on its own. > > What would be more likely to be effective in that venue is a > court-recognized expert witness who can testify to the contents of the > cache, along with testimony related to the accuracy of the timestamps > and the fact that those cache files were found in that student's > profile. If at that point you can prove that the student was actually > at that computer at the time matching the timestamps and not some other > student, then you've got a case. > > Of course, you can expect to pay three figures per-hour for an expert > witness that has experience in such litigation. > > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Thu Dec 8 11:22:50 2005 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 06:22:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Setting Open Office 2.0 to save as a Doc by default. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1134040970.17660.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Glenn, In our district we have OpenOffice 2.0 save as .doc automatically. We really did this for two reasons. 1. When we introduced OpenOffice staff were unsure of it. We had previously been using Office 2000 and 2003. If we were going to get staff to use it and like it we need to make it as simple and easy to use and compatible with what they already have at home. We are giving them OOo2.0 to use at home but that is there choice if they chose to use it. Other school districts in New Hampshire use the .doc format as does the State of New Hampshire DOE so when we send documents we need to ensure they are in the same format. Often times, users won't check what format they are saving in and if it's not automatically set to .doc they will send an .odt to the state and it will get sent back causing frustration. It's just easier to have it automatically set for the user. 2. We tech people have other things we have to do then get troubleshooting calls on OpenOffice.org 2.0 and how it won't save in .doc and only saves in .odt (because they can't figure out how to). We also don't have much time to train the users how to use it so we set it up to automatically save documents in .doc, spreadsheets in .xls, and presentations in .ppt. Hope this helps. -Paul -- Paul VanGundy Information Technology Director Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us On Thu, 2005-12-08 at 00:33 -0500, Glenn Arnold wrote: > I believe I have read in this list that several LTSP users have Open > Office to save as Microsoft Word Doc. I would like to know if your > users loose formatting when saving the OO document as Microsoft Word > file instead of OO sxw or OpenDoc file? I realize that you usually > loose a little formating, but do you loose enough that you need to check > every document that you save that way? Open Office 2.0 definitely > improves the Microsoft compatibility, but I am very concerned about > loosing page formatting. Personally I would prefer that the users click > file save as choose save as a Microsoft Word Doc, but my customer would > like me to set the default format to Word in OpenOffice to save some > trouble on training issues which I disagree with. I feel we should > train the users how to save a document in Word format instead of making > the users lemmings and never learn how to use special features in > software. Especially since this is a school customer who use > OpenOffice/StarOffice internally for the student computers and only the > students occasionally have to send a word document to a college. I > would like to know everybody's experiences with OpenOffice using > Microsoft Word as the default file format. I will use your response to > help me decide if I should work harder to convince the customer that > this is not a good idea. My personal opinion it is always better to use > the original program to create, edit, and save a document then saving to > a different format other than the original programs format. > > Thanks > -Glenn > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From timothy.hart at gmail.com Thu Dec 8 14:21:30 2005 From: timothy.hart at gmail.com (Timothy Hart) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 09:21:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Reminder of TOSE wiki....and we need articles to publish! You could be famous! In-Reply-To: <92de6c880512072019n14a98ed8q3d54b7c471da10c@mail.gmail.com> References: <92de6c880512072019n14a98ed8q3d54b7c471da10c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <464c38cc0512080621m2143a2f2ga89a8ff8cdfb2b8e@mail.gmail.com> Let's set one. How about the 16th? Next friday too soon? On 12/7/05, Tom Hoffman wrote: > > On 12/7/05, David Trask wrote: > > The TOSE (The Open Source Educator) wiki is here > > http://www.vcsvikings.org/tose/doku.php > > > > We need folks to begin writing some articles if we ever intend to > publish > > :-) > > Do we have a deadline? > > --Tom > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Andy Spitfire Computer Services 441 Beaver Street Suite 202 Sewickley, PA 15143 Phone (412) 749-0162 Fax: (412) 749-0203 andy at spitcomp.com www.spitcomp.com On Dec 7, 2005, at 1:59 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Tue, 2005-12-06 at 21:02, David Trask wrote: >> Even easier....in remote access panel at the top....set the >> network and >> subnet to 0.0.0.0 and that will allow you access via >> https://nameorip-of-server/server-manager > > If you are adding that as a local network it also exposes the > samba shares to the internet and probably allows relaying of > email from anywhere to anywhere and some other things that > should be blocked. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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You cou In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20051208155329.EEA0E54B3@relay3.mail.twtelecom.net> Works for me. But, perhaps push it off to the 19th (ie, give that weekend to finish things up if it's needed)? -Calvin -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of David Trask Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 10:46 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Reminder of TOSE wiki....and we need articlesto publish! You cou "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thu Dec 8 2005 at 09:21 +0000 wrote: >Let's set one. How about the 16th? Next friday too soon? Works for me....any votes? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From lmcpherson at mail.sumner.k12.me.us Thu Dec 8 16:01:29 2005 From: lmcpherson at mail.sumner.k12.me.us (Larry McPherson) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 11:01:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SME remote access using IE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks for clarifying this for me. I'll switch it back. Larry -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of David Trask Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 7:04 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] SME remote access using IE "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wed Dec 7 2005 at 16:21 +0000 wrote: >If you are adding that as a local network it also exposes the >samba shares to the internet and probably allows relaying of >email from anywhere to anywhere and some other things that >should be blocked. No...it's not a trusted network....it;s only access to the server manager....nothing else will show. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From admin at bookpeople.com Thu Dec 8 17:32:54 2005 From: admin at bookpeople.com (David Neimeyer) Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 11:32:54 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] barcode scanner via usb Message-ID: <1134063174.22962.12.camel@ws016.ltsp> hello all, We have a few Metrologic Orbit scanners (ms7120) which have the usb interface. I'd like to use them on our thin clients. Do I need to provide extra parameters in the lts.conf? I know that we have the device programed properly because it works on standalone Linux and Windows boxes. It even works on my standalone Linux box through a remote X session to the LTSP server. I have simply attached our other scanners ( Metrologic handheld ms951) with keyboard wedge interfaces into the ps/2 port without any extra configuration. Any help is greatly appreciated! Regards, -dave -- David Neimeyer BookPeople, Inc. Systems Administrator 603 N. Lamar Austin, TX 78703 800-853-9757 x 402 From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Thu Dec 8 18:11:47 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (jconlon1 at elp.rr.com) Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 11:11:47 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Firefox question Message-ID: <20e38a20b2d8.20b2d820e38a@texas.rr.com> If I'm not mistaken, our district already has such expertise on hand. The key is just to get the piece of paper for them to testify about. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Ely Date: Wednesday, December 7, 2005 7:41 pm Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Firefox question > John P. Conlon wrote: > > Our district does the blocking at their level in the network. > > Occasionally a student goes looking for the things that haven't > been > > blocked yet and the ones where the jerks have found a new way > around the > > filters. When they find them the students get a visit to the > assistant > > principal and enjoy several days of in-school punishment > suspension. > > The with last occurrence we had a father threaten to sue the > school and > > various teachers etc. which is why we are looking for things that > a tech > > illiterate judge would understand. Being able to print out a > hard copy > > of that individuals network user history is among the most > desirable > > things to be able to do. > > Thanks > > Pat > > > > If you're looking for a solid evidence trail, you're in for a much > more > expensive ride - a printout like you describe will likely be binned > out > of hand as heresay if it's introduced on its own. > > What would be more likely to be effective in that venue is a > court-recognized expert witness who can testify to the contents of > the > cache, along with testimony related to the accuracy of the > timestamps > and the fact that those cache files were found in that student's > profile. If at that point you can prove that the student was > actually > at that computer at the time matching the timestamps and not some > other > student, then you've got a case. > > Of course, you can expect to pay three figures per-hour for an > expert > witness that has experience in such litigation. > > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jh at clongowes.net Thu Dec 8 18:46:56 2005 From: jh at clongowes.net (John Hegarty) Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 18:46:56 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] phpSANE - how to get it working? - success Message-ID: <1134067617.6815.17.camel@jh.cwc.edu> Thanks to Gentgeen for suggesting looking at phpSANE and Jon Spriggs for the various suggestions on how to get it working. It is such a simple idea and now that I have it working it works great. I changed lots of bits and pieces but I think my problem was something to do with settings in apache in the end. It started working when I set a server name. I did the suid root thing as well. jh Ireland >Here's some stuff to try. >1) Set a password on the Apache user (once you've done your testing, >you should edit the /etc/passwd file and replace the ! with a *). Log >in as apache, then run scanimage, and see what errors (if any) you >get. >2) If that works OK, then it might be an issue with the temp folders >that it's writing to. Have a read through of the script file that >actually scans the image, and see where it's writing the file to. If >it's somewhere obvious, check the permissions to that location. With >your logged in user, try creating a file in that path. >3) If all else still fails, lookup how to make a file suid root. It >should be fairly straight forwards (Remember - Google is your friend! >:) ) so check it out and then try running it up again. If it still >doesn't work, then you've got problems that you should probably >address with the script author! >Hope that helps :) >Jon "The Nice Guy" _____ jh jh at clongowes.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lists.john at gmail.com Thu Dec 8 19:06:25 2005 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 11:06:25 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] advice needed: single sign and remote file storage Message-ID: <2be970b50512081106h6c3242a2u1d7df2d26ef72de9@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, I need some advice and I hope folks here can help. I have set up k12ltsp to provide single sign on and file storage for users in Windows Domain which uses ADS. However instead of storing the files locally on the k12ltsp box, I would like to have my file storage on a separate Samba file server (and in the future several Samba servers). So basically multiple Samba installations using ADS and all using the same SID==>GID/UID mapping. So here's the scenerio: Linux box A is running FC4 , Samba and NFS. This box exports /home via NFS to Linux Box B running K12LTSP and Winbind. I have single sign (for windows and terminal clients) via winbind working on box B. Problem: I need someway to keep SID ==> GID/UID mapping consistent from box to box, if I run two version of winbind, mappings will be out of sync. I THINK i need to create a unified IDMAP and point box A to it. I've been looking at IDMap_RID here http://tr.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/idmapper.html#id2567740 but I am not sure that this is even in the ball park. I could really use some help on this! TIA, John From admin at bookpeople.com Thu Dec 8 22:04:00 2005 From: admin at bookpeople.com (David Neimeyer) Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 16:04:00 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] barcode scanner via usb In-Reply-To: <1134063174.22962.12.camel@ws016.ltsp> References: <1134063174.22962.12.camel@ws016.ltsp> Message-ID: <1134079441.22962.29.camel@ws016.ltsp> On Thu, 2005-12-08 at 11:32 -0600, David Neimeyer wrote: > hello all, > > We have a few Metrologic Orbit scanners (ms7120) which have the usb > interface. I'd like to use them on our thin clients. Do I need to > provide extra parameters in the lts.conf? Okay, sorry to answer my own post, but after checking some message logs, I think I found my problem and wanted to share: The barcode reader was loading (modules/driver) properly on every machine. However it appears that when power is supplied via the power cord (which plugs into the usb data cable) the device power cycles and doesn't load the custom configuration properly/consistantly. The result is random input instead of preamble;barcode;postamble. So I simply let the device receive power via the usb data cable for the Linux environments (fyi: the device must use the power cord in win98, the last OS my device saw service with). Seems too simply, but I'll take it! Best Regards, -dave -- David Neimeyer BookPeople, Inc. Systems Administrator 603 N. Lamar Austin, TX 78703 800-853-9757 x 402 From petre at maltzen.net Fri Dec 9 00:56:18 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 18:56:18 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] missing OOo base sample tables Message-ID: <4398D632.5080304@maltzen.net> I was reading a tutorial on creating tables in OpenOffice.org's base program. In the tutorial, the author says to click on Create Table wizard, and you'll see some sample tables. But when I click on the wizard, I see no such samples. Is anyone else missing these? Where can I find them? I'd have thought they'd be included in FC4. Petre From sbarar at gmail.com Fri Dec 9 02:47:09 2005 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 08:17:09 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] phpSANE - how to get it working? - success In-Reply-To: <1134067617.6815.17.camel@jh.cwc.edu> References: <1134067617.6815.17.camel@jh.cwc.edu> Message-ID: <774593a20512081847ld99863cjf34dbf56a04710e2@mail.gmail.com> On 12/9/05, John Hegarty wrote: > > Thanks to Gentgeen for suggesting looking at phpSANE and Jon Spriggs for > the various suggestions on how to get it working. > > It is such a simple idea and now that I have it working it works great. > > I changed lots of bits and pieces but I think my problem was something to > do with settings in apache in the end. It started working when I set a > server name. I did the suid root thing as well. > > Summarise everything on wiki? -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks guys for the wonderful community and such dedicated developers. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From petre at maltzen.net Fri Dec 9 03:02:10 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 21:02:10 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] missing OOo base sample tables - solved In-Reply-To: <4398D632.5080304@maltzen.net> References: <4398D632.5080304@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <4398F3B2.1030300@maltzen.net> Never mind. Running up2date and getting the updated OOo files apparently includes the base sample table files. Petre Scheie wrote: > I was reading a tutorial on creating tables in OpenOffice.org's base > program. In the tutorial, the author says to click on Create Table > wizard, and you'll see some sample tables. But when I click on the > wizard, I see no such samples. Is anyone else missing these? Where can > I find them? I'd have thought they'd be included in FC4. > > Petre > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Dec 9 03:19:00 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 19:19:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] 64bit builds Message-ID: Still much breakage, no sound, no childsplay. Many bugs to choose from. It is likely to destroy your computer, eat all of the food in your fridge, and give your dog fleas. But it is now known to have been successfully installed on one computer and boot one terminal. I need to fix sound & childsplay and apply all of the updates. Assuming nothing else is broken (a very bad assumption ;-), I should have a beta-quality build of K12LTSP 4.2.2EL-64bit ready this weekend. If you want to take a spin on this roller-coaster, the ISOs are located at: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.2EL-64bit/iso/ -Eric From petre at maltzen.net Fri Dec 9 16:14:32 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 10:14:32 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: phpwiki, twiki, and attribution Message-ID: <4399AD68.4080104@maltzen.net> Sorry this is rather long. In the article about FOSS.IN that appeared on lwn.net (thanks for the link Sudev), and in the follow-up comments, there was mention of non-programmers contributing to projects by working on documentation. Everyone always thinks this is a good idea, and it is. It has always seemed to me that while only a small subset of people have the skills to contribute code, just about anyone should be able to contribute documentation, and therefore there ought to be an abundance of it. And I think the K12LTSP wiki is a testament to that. But I think there is a greater opportunity here that we, like most projects, are missing because of one deficiency: attribution. The articles listed on our wiki don't identify who wrote what. One of the great motivators in FOSS is bragging rights, the ability to say "See what I contributed". In the source code, you will usually find credits for who contributed what; but there is no such information in our documentation, and I think that means we've lost an unconscious motivator. I say unconscious because I think most everyone on this list contributes because we all believe in this project, and not because we're looking for fame. But knowing who contributed what is part of the lore that helps build a community, and I think we need to find a way to incorporate that. And I think most people like to be recognized for their contributions. There's another aspect: When I talk to teachers, administrators and others about why FOSS should be used in schools, one thing I always mention is that it provides the kids a way to build and do things they can put on a resume. High school students don't have much experience that they can list on a resume; it's a chicken-and-egg problem, in that they aren't old enough to have had many, if any, jobs, and to get a job it helps to have experience, and so on. With FOSS, regardless of their age, they can build something that is public, say a website, that they can list as experience, one that has had some public scrutiny even (if the website is publicly accessible). "Create your own experience" as one teacher likes to say. That's great for the students who like programming, but what about others? This is where a project's documentation comes in: Wouldn't it be great in a class that teaches kids word processing, spreadsheets, presentations, etc.--the standard OOo stuff--to assign the kids a project of writing a short document about, say, how to format an article. Or pick something the kids are into, say, Gaim. The kids have to use what they just learned which reinforces what they just learned, and they have to explain it which also reinforces it. Then those articles are posted to that project's documentation website, which helps that community; plus, with attribution, the students now have something they can cite on a resume: "I have written documentation for the OOo project, which is publicly available at http://whatever.address.com". This would be more impressive to a potential employer than "I wrote papers for English class" not because of the subject matter--papers for English class ARE important--but because the employer can see an example of the student's work, work that has been vetted not just by the teacher but by the whole world, and is perhaps even used by the world. The documents don't have to be long, and the quality will no doubt vary. But the potential quantity would compensate for that. In short, there are many benefits to such projects. But many, perhaps most, projects don't have attribution, and often make contributing documentation cumbersome. Back to our wiki. The K12LTSP phpwiki-based wiki doesn't show who wrote what. The (newer) twiki-based LTSP wiki does appear to display who wrote what when. I don't know the particulars, but I assume this feature, or its lack, is a function of the wiki being used. If I'm correct, the question I want to raise is what would it take to move our wiki to a wiki system that does automatically give attribution? I don't envision many students contributing to our wiki (although I know some people on the list do have student administrators). But as an educational community I think we should practice what we preach. (I think I'll mention this idea to the OOo people, too.) Plus, people on this list will change jobs from time to time; the benefits of having your name publicly listed in contributing to FOSS projects--"resume fodder" as a friend of mine calls it--are not limited to just students. ;-) So, can we build a better system? Anyone have any opinions about wikis? Petre From dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us Fri Dec 9 16:39:37 2005 From: dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 08:39:37 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: phpwiki, twiki, and attribution In-Reply-To: <4399AD68.4080104@maltzen.net> References: <4399AD68.4080104@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <4399B349.4010400@mesd.k12.or.us> Petre Scheie wrote: > Back to our wiki. The K12LTSP phpwiki-based wiki doesn't show who wrote > what. It does, it's just buried under the recent changes and page history functions. For example: http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/RecentChanges?days=90 -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From les at futuresource.com Fri Dec 9 16:44:54 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 10:44:54 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] 64bit builds In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1134146694.20663.37.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2005-12-08 at 21:19, Eric Harrison wrote: > I need to fix sound & childsplay and apply all of the updates. > Assuming nothing else is broken (a very bad assumption ;-), I > should have a beta-quality build of K12LTSP 4.2.2EL-64bit ready > this weekend. When that one is under control is there any chance of a respin of the 32-bit EL version? The current one still works but it pulls a lot of updates to get to 4.2.2. I think it needs more publicity too - it hasn't been mentioned much except for a couple of times on the mailing list and it probably is the most appropriate version for a lot of people to be using. ...and thanks again for making all this available. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us Fri Dec 9 17:12:38 2005 From: paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us (Justin Paulsen) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 11:12:38 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: missing OOo base sample tables Message-ID: <4399BB06.1090704@frederic.k12.wi.us> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Peter, look at these: Templates: http://ooextras.sourceforge.net/ Clipart: http://www.openclipart.org/ The number of templates included with OpenOffice.org is pathetic and this goes for backgrounds in Impress and clipart as well. - -- Justin Paulsen IT Coordinator Frederic School District 1-715-327-4223 paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us "The world is open. 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I think it needs more publicity > too - it hasn't been mentioned much except for a couple of times > on the mailing list and it probably is the most appropriate version > for a lot of people to be using. > > ...and thanks again for making all this available. > Yes, I plan on released both 32bit & 64bit versions at the same time (hoping that will reduce confusion a tad). -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From petre at maltzen.net Fri Dec 9 17:48:58 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 11:48:58 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: phpwiki, twiki, and attribution In-Reply-To: <4399B349.4010400@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <4399AD68.4080104@maltzen.net> <4399B349.4010400@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <4399C38A.20607@maltzen.net> I'll admit that's pretty good. I wish the info were more prominent, appearing with the document. But perhaps being under the Info button is sufficient. Dan Young wrote: > Petre Scheie wrote: > >> Back to our wiki. The K12LTSP phpwiki-based wiki doesn't show who >> wrote what. > > > It does, it's just buried under the recent changes and page history > functions. For example: > http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/RecentChanges?days=90 > From garnold at unrealsolutions.com Fri Dec 9 19:15:56 2005 From: garnold at unrealsolutions.com (Glenn Arnold) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 14:15:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Setting Open Office 2.0 to save as a Doc by default. Message-ID: Thanks Paul for some insight! How often do you have issues with formatting or do you? Is there occasional format issue or you have not had any issues. My concern is that someone will create a complex document in OpenOffice and it will not save the formatting right as word document and cause a bunch of trouble tickets. That is my biggest concern. Thanks -Glenn -----Original Message----- From: Paul VanGundy [mailto:vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us] Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 6:23 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Setting Open Office 2.0 to save as a Doc by default. Glenn, In our district we have OpenOffice 2.0 save as .doc automatically. We really did this for two reasons. 1. When we introduced OpenOffice staff were unsure of it. We had previously been using Office 2000 and 2003. If we were going to get staff to use it and like it we need to make it as simple and easy to use and compatible with what they already have at home. We are giving them OOo2.0 to use at home but that is there choice if they chose to use it. Other school districts in New Hampshire use the .doc format as does the State of New Hampshire DOE so when we send documents we need to ensure they are in the same format. Often times, users won't check what format they are saving in and if it's not automatically set to .doc they will send an .odt to the state and it will get sent back causing frustration. It's just easier to have it automatically set for the user. 2. We tech people have other things we have to do then get troubleshooting calls on OpenOffice.org 2.0 and how it won't save in .doc and only saves in .odt (because they can't figure out how to). We also don't have much time to train the users how to use it so we set it up to automatically save documents in .doc, spreadsheets in .xls, and presentations in .ppt. Hope this helps. -Paul -- Paul VanGundy Information Technology Director Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us On Thu, 2005-12-08 at 00:33 -0500, Glenn Arnold wrote: > I believe I have read in this list that several LTSP users have Open > Office to save as Microsoft Word Doc. I would like to know if your > users loose formatting when saving the OO document as Microsoft Word > file instead of OO sxw or OpenDoc file? I realize that you usually > loose a little formating, but do you loose enough that you need to check > every document that you save that way? Open Office 2.0 definitely > improves the Microsoft compatibility, but I am very concerned about > loosing page formatting. Personally I would prefer that the users click > file save as choose save as a Microsoft Word Doc, but my customer would > like me to set the default format to Word in OpenOffice to save some > trouble on training issues which I disagree with. I feel we should > train the users how to save a document in Word format instead of making > the users lemmings and never learn how to use special features in > software. Especially since this is a school customer who use > OpenOffice/StarOffice internally for the student computers and only the > students occasionally have to send a word document to a college. I > would like to know everybody's experiences with OpenOffice using > Microsoft Word as the default file format. I will use your response to > help me decide if I should work harder to convince the customer that > this is not a good idea. My personal opinion it is always better to use > the original program to create, edit, and save a document then saving to > a different format other than the original programs format. > > Thanks > -Glenn > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Fri Dec 9 20:10:34 2005 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 15:10:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Setting Open Office 2.0 to save as a Doc by default. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1134159035.16500.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Glenn, We have had only 2 issues with converting documents made in Word to OpenOffice 2.0. It was just tab and margin formatting. Only two documents in the entire district. These "problems" were easily fixed as the users just deleted where tabs were added and fixed the margins. Besides those two documents everything else has been perfectly converted and have been using OOo2.0 for quite some time now. Also worthy to note, we have had no complaints of documents made in OOo2.0 losing format when opened in MS Word. We are extremely happy we went with OOo2.0. Hope this helps! :) -Paul -- Paul VanGundy Information Technology Director Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Registered Linux User #398783 On Fri, 2005-12-09 at 14:15 -0500, Glenn Arnold wrote: > Thanks Paul for some insight! How often do you have issues with > formatting or do you? Is there occasional format issue or you have not > had any issues. My concern is that someone will create a complex > document in OpenOffice and it will not save the formatting right as word > document and cause a bunch of trouble tickets. That is my biggest > concern. > > Thanks > -Glenn > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul VanGundy [mailto:vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us] > Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 6:23 AM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Setting Open Office 2.0 to save as a Doc by > default. > > Glenn, > > In our district we have OpenOffice 2.0 save as .doc automatically. We > really did this for two reasons. > > 1. When we introduced OpenOffice staff were unsure of it. We had > previously been using Office 2000 and 2003. If we were going to get > staff to use it and like it we need to make it as simple and easy to use > and compatible with what they already have at home. We are giving them > OOo2.0 to use at home but that is there choice if they chose to use it. > Other school districts in New Hampshire use the .doc format as does the > State of New Hampshire DOE so when we send documents we need to ensure > they are in the same format. Often times, users won't check what format > they are saving in and if it's not automatically set to .doc they will > send an .odt to the state and it will get sent back causing frustration. > It's just easier to have it automatically set for the user. > > 2. We tech people have other things we have to do then get > troubleshooting calls on OpenOffice.org 2.0 and how it won't save > in .doc and only saves in .odt (because they can't figure out how to). > We also don't have much time to train the users how to use it so we set > it up to automatically save documents in .doc, spreadsheets in .xls, and > presentations in .ppt. > > Hope this helps. > > -Paul > From garnold at unrealsolutions.com Fri Dec 9 21:12:31 2005 From: garnold at unrealsolutions.com (Glenn Arnold) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 16:12:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Setting Open Office 2.0 to save as a Doc by default. Message-ID: Paul, You have convinced me that definitely helps! -Glenn -----Original Message----- From: Paul VanGundy [mailto:vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us] Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 3:11 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Setting Open Office 2.0 to save as a Doc by default. Glenn, We have had only 2 issues with converting documents made in Word to OpenOffice 2.0. It was just tab and margin formatting. Only two documents in the entire district. These "problems" were easily fixed as the users just deleted where tabs were added and fixed the margins. Besides those two documents everything else has been perfectly converted and have been using OOo2.0 for quite some time now. Also worthy to note, we have had no complaints of documents made in OOo2.0 losing format when opened in MS Word. We are extremely happy we went with OOo2.0. Hope this helps! :) -Paul -- Paul VanGundy Information Technology Director Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Registered Linux User #398783 On Fri, 2005-12-09 at 14:15 -0500, Glenn Arnold wrote: > Thanks Paul for some insight! How often do you have issues with > formatting or do you? Is there occasional format issue or you have not > had any issues. My concern is that someone will create a complex > document in OpenOffice and it will not save the formatting right as word > document and cause a bunch of trouble tickets. That is my biggest > concern. > > Thanks > -Glenn > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul VanGundy [mailto:vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us] > Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 6:23 AM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Setting Open Office 2.0 to save as a Doc by > default. > > Glenn, > > In our district we have OpenOffice 2.0 save as .doc automatically. We > really did this for two reasons. > > 1. When we introduced OpenOffice staff were unsure of it. We had > previously been using Office 2000 and 2003. If we were going to get > staff to use it and like it we need to make it as simple and easy to use > and compatible with what they already have at home. We are giving them > OOo2.0 to use at home but that is there choice if they chose to use it. > Other school districts in New Hampshire use the .doc format as does the > State of New Hampshire DOE so when we send documents we need to ensure > they are in the same format. Often times, users won't check what format > they are saving in and if it's not automatically set to .doc they will > send an .odt to the state and it will get sent back causing frustration. > It's just easier to have it automatically set for the user. > > 2. We tech people have other things we have to do then get > troubleshooting calls on OpenOffice.org 2.0 and how it won't save > in .doc and only saves in .odt (because they can't figure out how to). > We also don't have much time to train the users how to use it so we set > it up to automatically save documents in .doc, spreadsheets in .xls, and > presentations in .ppt. > > Hope this helps. > > -Paul > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Dec 9 22:06:46 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 14:06:46 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Setting Open Office 2.0 to save as a Doc by default. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4399FFF6.9010201@paasda.org> did anyone ever answer the original question? How to set OO 2.0 to save as a .doc or .xls or .ppt by default? --Huck From garnold at unrealsolutions.com Fri Dec 9 22:54:46 2005 From: garnold at unrealsolutions.com (Glenn Arnold) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 17:54:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Setting Open Office 2.0 to save as a Doc by default. Message-ID: No, nobody answered that part of the question. Any Ideas? -Glenn -----Original Message----- From: Huck [mailto:dhuckaby at paasda.org] Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 5:07 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Setting Open Office 2.0 to save as a Doc by default. did anyone ever answer the original question? How to set OO 2.0 to save as a .doc or .xls or .ppt by default? --Huck _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Fri Dec 9 23:48:29 2005 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 18:48:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Setting Open Office 2.0 to save as a Doc by default. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1134172110.19482.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Glenn and Huck, Go to /etc/openoffice/ and open openoffice.conf in your favorite editor. Find the line that says: # write to M$ Office formats per default? Or something close to the above. Below it you will see this: #export OOO_MS_DEFAULTS=1 Uncomment that line and restart. The default will then be MS formats. -Paul -- Paul VanGundy Information Technology Director Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Registered Linux User #398783 On Fri, 2005-12-09 at 17:54 -0500, Glenn Arnold wrote: > No, nobody answered that part of the question. Any Ideas? > > -Glenn > > -----Original Message----- > From: Huck [mailto:dhuckaby at paasda.org] > Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 5:07 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Setting Open Office 2.0 to save as a Doc by > default. > > did anyone ever answer the original question? > > How to set OO 2.0 to save as a .doc or .xls or .ppt by default? > > --Huck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sat Dec 10 00:03:36 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 16:03:36 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Setting Open Office 2.0 to save as a Doc by default. In-Reply-To: <1134172110.19482.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1134172110.19482.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <439A1B58.9020103@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Paul VanGundy wrote: > Glenn and Huck, > > Go to /etc/openoffice/ and open openoffice.conf in your favorite editor. > Find the line that says: > > # write to M$ Office formats per default? > > Or something close to the above. Below it you will see this: > > #export OOO_MS_DEFAULTS=1 > > Uncomment that line and restart. The default will then be MS formats. > > -Paul > That works for OpenOffice.org 1.x, but does not work for 2.0. For K12LTSP, I wrote a script that changes the global defaults for OOo 2.0: /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/openoffice-ms-format-defaults.sh -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Sat Dec 10 00:29:50 2005 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 19:29:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Setting Open Office 2.0 to save as a Doc by default. In-Reply-To: <439A1B58.9020103@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <1134172110.19482.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <439A1B58.9020103@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1134174591.9157.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Eric, Then to update me on OOo2.0 how would you set it to default if you didn't have your script? There is still an openoffice.conf and the line I listed in my last post. But if that doesn't work then what do you configure so that it will (a .conf file please, not via GUI or OOo2.0 interface since I already know how to do that). Thanks. -Paul -- Paul VanGundy Information Technology Director Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Registered Linux User #398783 On Fri, 2005-12-09 at 16:03 -0800, Eric Harrison wrote: > Paul VanGundy wrote: > > Glenn and Huck, > > > > Go to /etc/openoffice/ and open openoffice.conf in your favorite editor. > > Find the line that says: > > > > # write to M$ Office formats per default? > > > > Or something close to the above. Below it you will see this: > > > > #export OOO_MS_DEFAULTS=1 > > > > Uncomment that line and restart. The default will then be MS formats. > > > > -Paul > > > > That works for OpenOffice.org 1.x, but does not work for 2.0. > > For K12LTSP, I wrote a script that changes the global defaults for OOo 2.0: > > /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/openoffice-ms-format-defaults.sh > > > -Eric > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sat Dec 10 19:23:38 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 11:23:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Setting Open Office 2.0 to save as a Doc by default. In-Reply-To: <1134174591.9157.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1134172110.19482.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <439A1B58.9020103@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <1134174591.9157.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Fri, 9 Dec 2005, Paul VanGundy wrote: > Eric, > > Then to update me on OOo2.0 how would you set it to default if you > didn't have your script? There is still an openoffice.conf and the line > I listed in my last post. But if that doesn't work then what do you > configure so that it will (a .conf file please, not via GUI or OOo2.0 > interface since I already know how to do that). Thanks. > > -Paul Ah, I assume you are using Debian or Ubuntu? Questions about different distributions are quite welcome here, but please do indicate whenever you are using a distribution other than K12LTSP. Since this is the support forum for K12LTSP, there is a tendancy to assume K12LTSP unless otherwise stated. I booted my laptop up into Ubuntu and it does in deed have a /etc/openoffice/openoffice.conf file that contains a OOO_MS_DEFAULT=1 setting. It didn't work for me, however. Attached are the patches and script that I use to change these defaults on K12LTSP. I verified that they work on my Ubuntu laptop. Save all four files in the same directory, then run: sh ./openoffice-ms-format-defaults.sh -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: <1134172110.19482.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <439A1B58.9020103@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <1134174591.9157.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Sat, 10 Dec 2005, Eric Harrison wrote: > Attached are the patches and script that I use to change these > defaults on K12LTSP. I verified that they work on my Ubuntu laptop. > > Save all four files in the same directory, then run: > > sh ./openoffice-ms-format-defaults.sh Oh, and be sure to do this as root... if you run it as a regular user it won't give you an error, but it won't change the defaults. This will do the trick: sudo sh ./openoffice-ms-format-defaults.sh -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <2be970b50512101520nb6c200euc78d565717aebeed@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, I need some advice and I hope folks here can help. I have set up k12ltsp to provide single sign on and file storage for users in Windows Domain which uses ADS. However instead of storing the files locally on the k12ltsp box, I would like to have my file storage on a separate Samba file server (and in the future several Samba servers). So basically multiple Samba installations using ADS and all using the same SID==>GID/UID mapping. So here's the scenerio: Linux box A is running FC4 , Samba and NFS. This box exports /home via NFS to Linux Box B running K12LTSP and Winbind. I have single sign (for windows and terminal clients) via winbind working on box B. Problem: I need someway to keep SID ==> GID/UID mapping consistent from box to box, if I run two version of winbind, mappings will be out of sync. I THINK i need to create a unified IDMAP and point box A to it. I've been looking at IDMap_RID here http://tr.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/idmapper.html#id2567740 but I am not sure that this is even in the ball park. Also, some folks seem to believe the only way to accomplish this is with a Unix snap in for AD. I could really use some help on this! TIA, From brcisna at frontiernet.net Sun Dec 11 06:00:30 2005 From: brcisna at frontiernet.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 00:00:30 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Users homepage gets 403 error Message-ID: <000601c5fe18$317ad190$01fea8c0@brcHOST> Hello list, Could someone possibly,,,clue me in,,on why when ,,,,after uncommenting out the "users" homefolder/public_html directive in the Apache/http.conf file, to allow for the use of,,it, They are getting 403 forbidden in Apache. Ive seen lots of 403 error,, gotcha's,,but cant figure out,,whats up.. I "upped "the /home/ folder ,,along with the ~/user/public_html/ folder as well, to 755(even 777),,restarted httpd,,and still 403 forbidden, Just trying to get this working for the first time,,for students... Im sure Apache is seeing the URL..otherwise,,we wouldnt be getting the "you do not have permission to access the ~/xyz folder on this server",,message. We've tryed .../localhost/~user and ../localhost/~user/ No Joy,, Ideas..??. Thanks for any input.. Barry From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Sun Dec 11 07:55:38 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 01:55:38 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Users homepage gets 403 error In-Reply-To: <000601c5fe18$317ad190$01fea8c0@brcHOST> References: <000601c5fe18$317ad190$01fea8c0@brcHOST> Message-ID: <38785FC7-7E12-4BD1-B634-11108543280E@mindfirestudios.com> File permissions?? On Dec 11, 2005, at 12:00 AM, Barry R Cisna wrote: > Hello list, > > Could someone possibly,,,clue me in,,on why when ,,,,after > uncommenting out the "users" homefolder/public_html directive in the > Apache/http.conf file, to allow for the use of,,it, They are > getting 403 > forbidden in Apache. Ive seen lots of 403 error,, gotcha's,,but > cant figure > out,,whats up.. > I "upped "the /home/ folder ,,along with the ~/user/public_html/ > folder as > well, to 755(even 777),,restarted httpd,,and still 403 forbidden, Just > trying to get this working for the first time,,for students... > Im sure Apache is seeing the URL..otherwise,,we wouldnt be getting > the "you > do not have permission to access the ~/xyz folder on this > server",,message. > We've tryed .../localhost/~user and ../localhost/~user/ > No Joy,, > Ideas..??. > > Thanks for any input.. > > Barry > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From rob at esdellecomputers.co.uk Sun Dec 11 15:04:11 2005 From: rob at esdellecomputers.co.uk (Rob Beard) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 15:04:11 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP with iMac terminal Message-ID: <439C3FEB.2050107@esdellecomputers.co.uk> Hi folks, I'm new to the list, but have been using LTSP on Debian 3.1 with a PC and Mac terminal. Now with a couple of friends on in my local LUG, we're trying to introduce the local schools in our area to Open Source software. One of the guys I've been speaking to mentioned the K12LTSP distro. I figured it was worth having a look to see how it differs to my existing LTSP installation on Debian 3.1 So far, it seems to be running well. I was quite impressed with the ease of installation and setup. At the moment I have the K12LTSP server running on VMWare due to a lack of spare PCs. The PC terminals are working fine (both a virtual terminal in VMWare and one of my usual LTSP terminals. I'm having a bit of a problem with the Mac though. It will load the kernel fine and boot from the network. The problem I'm having is it won't come up with the login screen. All I am getting is the grey screen with the black X and the mouse works okay (well I can move the pointer!) I have tried changing the lts.conf to put a shell on screen 2 which appears to be okay. The machine is picking up an IP address in DHCP and seems to be running okay. Just wondering if any of you guys have had anything similar happen? Regards, Rob From jam at mcquil.com Sun Dec 11 16:47:26 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 11:47:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP with iMac terminal In-Reply-To: <439C3FEB.2050107@esdellecomputers.co.uk> References: <439C3FEB.2050107@esdellecomputers.co.uk> Message-ID: <439C581E.5040106@McQuil.com> Rob, In lts.conf, make sure the 'SERVER' parameter points to the LTSP server. Also, go to the ltsp wiki, and search for 'gray screen'. There's a pretty good doc that covers the things that could be wrong. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org Rob Beard wrote: > Hi folks, > > I'm new to the list, but have been using LTSP on Debian 3.1 with a PC > and Mac terminal. > > Now with a couple of friends on in my local LUG, we're trying to > introduce the local schools in our area to Open Source software. > > One of the guys I've been speaking to mentioned the K12LTSP distro. I > figured it was worth having a look to see how it differs to my existing > LTSP installation on Debian 3.1 > > So far, it seems to be running well. I was quite impressed with the > ease of installation and setup. At the moment I have the K12LTSP server > running on VMWare due to a lack of spare PCs. > > The PC terminals are working fine (both a virtual terminal in VMWare and > one of my usual LTSP terminals. > > I'm having a bit of a problem with the Mac though. It will load the > kernel fine and boot from the network. The problem I'm having is it > won't come up with the login screen. All I am getting is the grey > screen with the black X and the mouse works okay (well I can move the > pointer!) > > I have tried changing the lts.conf to put a shell on screen 2 which > appears to be okay. The machine is picking up an IP address in DHCP and > seems to be running okay. > > Just wondering if any of you guys have had anything similar happen? > > Regards, > > Rob > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From rob at esdellecomputers.co.uk Sun Dec 11 17:04:42 2005 From: rob at esdellecomputers.co.uk (Rob Beard) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 17:04:42 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP with iMac terminal In-Reply-To: <439C581E.5040106@McQuil.com> References: <439C3FEB.2050107@esdellecomputers.co.uk> <439C581E.5040106@McQuil.com> Message-ID: <439C5C2A.40806@esdellecomputers.co.uk> Jim McQuillan wrote: > Rob, > > In lts.conf, make sure the 'SERVER' parameter points to the LTSP server. > > Also, go to the ltsp wiki, and search for 'gray screen'. There's a > pretty good doc that covers the things that could be wrong. > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > Hi Jim, Thanks for the suggestion, it was the lts.conf file in the /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc directory was wasn't updated. I'll have to remember that one. Seems to be working okay now, okay I still can't get any sound, but I'll play with that later. Regards, Rob From gumprechtm at msad3.org Mon Dec 12 11:58:19 2005 From: gumprechtm at msad3.org (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 06:58:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] HELP: can there be two samba servers in one domain? In-Reply-To: <2be970b50512101520nb6c200euc78d565717aebeed@mail.gmail.com> References: <2be970b50512101520nb6c200euc78d565717aebeed@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <439D65DB.5030807@msad3.org> John I'm no pro and ran out of time with the beginning of school to get mine in so....net getlocalsid will pull up the local domain sid. Man net will give you some other commands like setlocalsid, not much, but HTH Mark john wrote: >Hi all, >I need some advice and I hope folks here can help. I have set up >k12ltsp to provide single sign on and file storage for users in >Windows Domain which uses ADS. However instead of storing the files >locally on the k12ltsp box, I would like to have my file storage on a >separate Samba file server (and in the future several Samba servers). >So basically multiple Samba installations using ADS and all using the >same SID==>GID/UID mapping. > >So here's the scenerio: > >Linux box A is running FC4 , Samba and NFS. This box exports /home via >NFS to Linux Box B running K12LTSP and Winbind. I have single sign >(for windows and terminal clients) via winbind working on box B. > >Problem: I need someway to keep SID ==> GID/UID mapping consistent >from box to box, if I run two version of winbind, mappings will be out >of sync. I THINK i need to create a unified IDMAP and point box A to >it. I've been looking at IDMap_RID here >http://tr.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/idmapper.html#id2567740 >but I am not sure that this is even in the ball park. > >Also, some folks seem to believe the only way to accomplish this is >with a Unix snap in for AD. > >I could really use some help on this! > >TIA, > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msad3.org From paulz at zagz.com Mon Dec 12 13:12:32 2005 From: paulz at zagz.com (Paul Zagoridis) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 00:12:32 +1100 Subject: [K12OSN] Help with yum update error Message-ID: <439D7740.2070909@zagz.com> Hi All I'm trying to get my head around this error for a few days without success. I basically can't run yum update I've tried (without success) # yum remove k12ltsp-extras then manually install the missing dependency # rpm -ivh (all three dependencies) followed by # yum install k12ltsp-extras Any suggestions would be welcome. We don't use IceWM either. # yum update Repository extras is listed more than once in the configuration Setting up Update Process Setting up repositories core 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 dries 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 freshrpms 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 k12ltsp 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 webmin 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 extras 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 newrpms.sunsite.dk 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 updates 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 updates-released 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 base 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 Reading repository metadata in from local files Resolving Dependencies --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. ---> Package icewm.i386 0:1.2.23-1.2.fc4.rf set to be updated --> Running transaction check --> Processing Dependency: icewm-l10n for package: k12ltsp-extras --> Processing Dependency: icewm-themes for package: k12ltsp-extras --> Processing Dependency: icewm-menu-gnome2 for package: k12ltsp-extras --> Finished Dependency Resolution Error: Missing Dependency: icewm-l10n is needed by package k12ltsp-extras Error: Missing Dependency: icewm-themes is needed by package k12ltsp-extras Error: Missing Dependency: icewm-menu-gnome2 is needed by package k12ltsp-extras From petre at maltzen.net Mon Dec 12 13:58:44 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 07:58:44 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Users homepage gets 403 error In-Reply-To: <000601c5fe18$317ad190$01fea8c0@brcHOST> References: <000601c5fe18$317ad190$01fea8c0@brcHOST> Message-ID: <439D8214.9030204@maltzen.net> What do you find in /var/log/httpd/error_log? Barry R Cisna wrote: > Hello list, > > Could someone possibly,,,clue me in,,on why when ,,,,after > uncommenting out the "users" homefolder/public_html directive in the > Apache/http.conf file, to allow for the use of,,it, They are getting 403 > forbidden in Apache. Ive seen lots of 403 error,, gotcha's,,but cant figure > out,,whats up.. > I "upped "the /home/ folder ,,along with the ~/user/public_html/ folder as > well, to 755(even 777),,restarted httpd,,and still 403 forbidden, Just > trying to get this working for the first time,,for students... > Im sure Apache is seeing the URL..otherwise,,we wouldnt be getting the "you > do not have permission to access the ~/xyz folder on this server",,message. > We've tryed .../localhost/~user and ../localhost/~user/ > No Joy,, > Ideas..??. > > Thanks for any input.. > > Barry > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Mon Dec 12 14:01:31 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 08:01:31 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP with iMac terminal In-Reply-To: <439C5C2A.40806@esdellecomputers.co.uk> References: <439C3FEB.2050107@esdellecomputers.co.uk> <439C581E.5040106@McQuil.com> <439C5C2A.40806@esdellecomputers.co.uk> Message-ID: <439D82BB.8080209@maltzen.net> Rob Beard wrote: > Jim McQuillan wrote: > > >>Rob, >> >>In lts.conf, make sure the 'SERVER' parameter points to the LTSP server. >> >>Also, go to the ltsp wiki, and search for 'gray screen'. There's a >>pretty good doc that covers the things that could be wrong. >> >>Jim McQuillan >>jam at Ltsp.org >> >> > > Hi Jim, > > Thanks for the suggestion, it was the lts.conf file in the > /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc directory was wasn't updated. I'll have to remember > that one. > > Seems to be working okay now, okay I still can't get any sound, but I'll > play with that later. > I don't believe sound works for Mac clients. Petre From rob at esdellecomputers.co.uk Mon Dec 12 14:19:06 2005 From: rob at esdellecomputers.co.uk (Rob Beard) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 14:19:06 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP with iMac terminal In-Reply-To: <439D82BB.8080209@maltzen.net> References: <439C3FEB.2050107@esdellecomputers.co.uk> <439C581E.5040106@McQuil.com> <439C5C2A.40806@esdellecomputers.co.uk> <439D82BB.8080209@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <439D86DA.20005@esdellecomputers.co.uk> Petre Scheie wrote: > I don't believe sound works for Mac clients. > > Petre I did get a bit of sound working using my usual LTSP server. I specified the following in the lts.conf for the Macs: SOUND= Y SOUND_DAEMON= esd SMODULE_01= dmasound_core SMODULE_02= dmasound_pmac I managed to get sound from XMMS when using the eSound plugin. There was a bit of a delay, of around 1 second though. Doesn't appear that any other programs work with the sound though. They always seem to want to talk directly to /dev/dsp Regards, Rob From thepiano at telenet.be Mon Dec 12 14:50:25 2005 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 15:50:25 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Help with yum update error In-Reply-To: <439D7740.2070909@zagz.com> References: <439D7740.2070909@zagz.com> Message-ID: I removed the k12ltspextras package, and it did the update fine, afterward i reinstalled the extras package. It has something to do with a new version of Icewm Anyone en explantion? This is just the quick and dirty work around. kevin Op 12-dec-05, om 14:12 heeft Paul Zagoridis het volgende geschreven: > Hi All > > I'm trying to get my head around this error for a few days without > success. I basically can't run yum update > > I've tried (without success) # yum remove k12ltsp-extras > then manually install the missing dependency # rpm -ivh (all three > dependencies) > followed by # yum install k12ltsp-extras > > Any suggestions would be welcome. We don't use IceWM either. > > > > # yum update > Repository extras is listed more than once in the configuration > Setting up Update Process > Setting up repositories > core 100% |=========================| 1.1 > kB 00:00 > dries 100% |=========================| 951 > B 00:00 > freshrpms 100% |=========================| 951 > B 00:00 > k12ltsp 100% |=========================| 1.1 > kB 00:00 > webmin 100% |=========================| 951 > B 00:00 > extras 100% |=========================| 1.1 > kB 00:00 > newrpms.sunsite.dk 100% |=========================| 951 > B 00:00 > updates 100% |=========================| 951 > B 00:00 > updates-released 100% |=========================| 951 > B 00:00 > base 100% |=========================| 1.1 > kB 00:00 > Reading repository metadata in from local files > Resolving Dependencies > --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. > ---> Package icewm.i386 0:1.2.23-1.2.fc4.rf set to be updated > --> Running transaction check > --> Processing Dependency: icewm-l10n for package: k12ltsp-extras > --> Processing Dependency: icewm-themes for package: k12ltsp-extras > --> Processing Dependency: icewm-menu-gnome2 for package: k12ltsp- > extras > --> Finished Dependency Resolution > Error: Missing Dependency: icewm-l10n is needed by package k12ltsp- > extras > Error: Missing Dependency: icewm-themes is needed by package > k12ltsp-extras > Error: Missing Dependency: icewm-menu-gnome2 is needed by package > k12ltsp-extras > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From rmortimer at bluechiptechnology.co.uk Mon Dec 12 15:25:26 2005 From: rmortimer at bluechiptechnology.co.uk (Robert Mortimer) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 15:25:26 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] *AntiVirus Solution* In-Reply-To: <1133581886.10315.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <001901c5ff30$46f6f530$ac00000a@RMORTIMER> > All, > > Do any of you use ClamAV or KlamAV as your sole antivirus solution in > your organizations? We have used Symantec, which we left, and are > currently using Sophos Anti-Virus since it runs on Macs, Windows and > Linux. However, Sophos doesn't handle infected files very well. Instead > of quarantining the files it leaves them where they are and just informs > the administrator that the computer/user has an infected file. Not an > acceptable solution for our environment. The "on access" Sophos notification bans access files it does not perform a scan/cleanup. Sophos can be set to do a scheduled scan, this does provide clean up actions. Sophos can also be used to clean incoming e-mail streams and reject infected mail. (we were using it with sendmail/Mime-defang) On access is useful as is stops propagation between full scans (it is not provided by Clam under windows but can be provided using clam SAMBA on your file server). Note people who activate an "on access" scan event may not (should not) have the permissions needed to move viruses about our network, any clean up for "on access" would have to be done under these permissions. If that includes sending to quarantine that implies access to you quarantine store, you really do not want to go there. That is why you set up correct permissions and use them for a scheduled scan. > > So again, have/do any of you use ClamAV/KlamAV as your sole antivirus > solution and how is it working for you and do you recommend it for > heterogeneous networks? Any comments or suggestions from anyone on this > is welcome and appreciated. Thanks in advance! > > -Paul > > -- > Paul VanGundy > Information Technology Director > Epping High School > Epping Middle School > P: 603.679.5472 > F: 603.679.2966 > vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From andy at spitcomp.com Mon Dec 12 15:46:34 2005 From: andy at spitcomp.com (Andrew Fisk) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 10:46:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] *AntiVirus Solution* In-Reply-To: <001901c5ff30$46f6f530$ac00000a@RMORTIMER> References: <001901c5ff30$46f6f530$ac00000a@RMORTIMER> Message-ID: I have clam and clamwin deployed extensively and it works very well -- as I mentioned last time around I have not bothered with AV for OS X (Sophos quit working when I upgraded to 10.4 frankly it wasn't worth the performance hit to combat a non existent problem). I think you could deploy clam and be confident that your network will be secure -- even with a bunch of windows machines, clam will kill any virus(s) on the server before they can do any damage. Sophos really does have an option to move (or delete) infected files, more of an issue on the mac is it's desire to mount and scan any volume that has ever been mounted on that machine -- if you get 30+ desktops all trying to scan a network volume you can imagine what that does for both network and server performance! Thanks Andy Spitfire Computer Services 441 Beaver Street Suite 202 Sewickley, PA 15143 Phone (412) 749-0162 Fax: (412) 749-0203 andy at spitcomp.com www.spitcomp.com On Dec 12, 2005, at 10:25 AM, Robert Mortimer wrote: >> All, >> >> Do any of you use ClamAV or KlamAV as your sole antivirus solution in >> your organizations? We have used Symantec, which we left, and are >> currently using Sophos Anti-Virus since it runs on Macs, Windows and >> Linux. However, Sophos doesn't handle infected files very well. >> Instead >> of quarantining the files it leaves them where they are and just >> informs >> the administrator that the computer/user has an infected file. Not an >> acceptable solution for our environment. > > The "on access" Sophos notification bans access files it does not > perform a > scan/cleanup. > Sophos can be set to do a scheduled scan, this does provide clean up > actions. > Sophos can also be used to clean incoming e-mail streams and reject > infected > mail. > (we were using it with sendmail/Mime-defang) > On access is useful as is stops propagation between full scans (it > is not > provided by Clam under windows but can be provided using clam SAMBA > on your > file server). > > Note people who activate an "on access" scan event may not (should > not) have > the permissions needed to move viruses about our network, any clean > up for > "on access" would have to be done under these permissions. If that > includes > sending to quarantine that implies access to you quarantine store, you > really do not want to go there. That is why you set up correct > permissions > and use them for a scheduled scan. > > >> >> So again, have/do any of you use ClamAV/KlamAV as your sole antivirus >> solution and how is it working for you and do you recommend it for >> heterogeneous networks? Any comments or suggestions from anyone on >> this >> is welcome and appreciated. Thanks in advance! >> >> -Paul >> >> -- >> Paul VanGundy >> Information Technology Director >> Epping High School >> Epping Middle School >> P: 603.679.5472 >> F: 603.679.2966 >> vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From garnold at unrealsolutions.com Mon Dec 12 18:40:49 2005 From: garnold at unrealsolutions.com (Glenn Arnold) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 13:40:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Setting Open Office 2.0 to save as a Doc by default. Message-ID: Thanks for your help Eric! -Glenn -----Original Message----- From: Eric Harrison [mailto:eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us] Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 2:37 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Setting Open Office 2.0 to save as a Doc by default. On Sat, 10 Dec 2005, Eric Harrison wrote: > Attached are the patches and script that I use to change these > defaults on K12LTSP. I verified that they work on my Ubuntu laptop. > > Save all four files in the same directory, then run: > > sh ./openoffice-ms-format-defaults.sh Oh, and be sure to do this as root... if you run it as a regular user it won't give you an error, but it won't change the defaults. This will do the trick: sudo sh ./openoffice-ms-format-defaults.sh -Eric From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Mon Dec 12 20:37:20 2005 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 12:37:20 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] How to turn off *#$&(*&$ spatial browsing? Message-ID: <439DDF80.7090401@rogueriver.k12.or.us> So I just got my k12LTSP server up and running, and have logged in with a test account. Unfortunately, it wants to use the astonishingly _stupid_ gnome default spatial browsing (AKA "let's pretend we're on a System 7 Mac or Win3.1 - isn't it modern?), which in the hands of a bunch of seventh-graders is going to be an intractable mess very quickly. So how do I set the system-wide default to whatever fugliness gnome offers that's not "Open a new window with each directory opened?" Cheers, Mike From lists.john at gmail.com Mon Dec 12 20:51:52 2005 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 12:51:52 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] HELP: can there be two samba servers in one domain? In-Reply-To: <439D65DB.5030807@msad3.org> References: <2be970b50512101520nb6c200euc78d565717aebeed@mail.gmail.com> <439D65DB.5030807@msad3.org> Message-ID: <2be970b50512121251x401c07b8p328fe8531d5cd886@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Mark, I am sort of amazed the more I look into this. As far as I can tell, Multiple boxes running Samba really don't have a native way to share a single backend via AD. I'd love to be wrong about this. I am sort of thinking out loud here, perhaps it will help me or someone else who has this problem in the future. I am not able to move to OpenLdap since the scope of this project =! complete network paradigm shift at this time. The newly released FC4 Directory Server http://directory.fedora.redhat.com/wiki/Main_Page which could be a substitute for AD someday seems too green to me. The more I look into trying to have more than a single Samba box share credentials with AD it looks like I have to do one of the following, all of which seem to have _way_ too many moving parts to be reliable. 1) Hack Samba (this is beyond my meager skillset, I assume if it were obvious someone would have scratched this itch by now) http://www.linux-faqs.com//HOWTO/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/cfgsmarts.php 2) use someone else's hack by way of a seemingly moribund project on Source Forge http://groups.google.com/group/linux.samba/browse_thread/thread/e9d0a4caedd67473/40b697830a6dce06?lnk=st&q=multiple+samba+ads&rnum=10&hl=en#40b697830a6dce06 following directions from here: http://www.securityfocus.com/infocus/1563 3)Or use MS Unix tools http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserversystem/sfu/downloads/default.mspx using these directions http://www.oo-services.com/en/articles/sso.html Frankly, this seems like WAY to much work, just to spread a little storage around. I'll keep looking into this, and would love to have someone set me straight, and tell me (in an easy to follow step by step manner :-) )how easy this project really is. John On 12/12/05, Mark Gumprecht wrote: > John I'm no pro and ran out of time with the beginning of school to get > mine in so....net getlocalsid will pull up the local domain sid. Man net > will give you some other commands like setlocalsid, not much, but HTH > Mark > > john wrote: > > >Hi all, > >I need some advice and I hope folks here can help. I have set up > >k12ltsp to provide single sign on and file storage for users in > >Windows Domain which uses ADS. However instead of storing the files > >locally on the k12ltsp box, I would like to have my file storage on a > >separate Samba file server (and in the future several Samba servers). > >So basically multiple Samba installations using ADS and all using the > >same SID==>GID/UID mapping. > > > >So here's the scenerio: > > > >Linux box A is running FC4 , Samba and NFS. This box exports /home via > >NFS to Linux Box B running K12LTSP and Winbind. I have single sign > >(for windows and terminal clients) via winbind working on box B. > > > >Problem: I need someway to keep SID ==> GID/UID mapping consistent > >from box to box, if I run two version of winbind, mappings will be out > >of sync. I THINK i need to create a unified IDMAP and point box A to > >it. I've been looking at IDMap_RID here > >http://tr.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/idmapper.html#id2567740 > >but I am not sure that this is even in the ball park. > > > >Also, some folks seem to believe the only way to accomplish this is > >with a Unix snap in for AD. > > > >I could really use some help on this! > > > >TIA, > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > > > > -- > Mark Gumprecht > Data Systems Specialist > MSAD3 > Unity, ME > gumprechtm at msad3.org > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Mon Dec 12 21:28:04 2005 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 13:28:04 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] How to turn off dadburn spatial browsing? Message-ID: <439DEB64.9070908@rogueriver.k12.or.us> [Edit: I think using special (curseword) chars in the subject line killed the first sending of this message. If not, please forgive the double-post] So I just got my k12LTSP server up and running, and have logged in with a test account. Unfortunately, it wants to use the astonishingly _stupid_ gnome default spatial browsing (AKA "let's pretend we're on a System 7 Mac or Win3.1 - isn't it modern?), which in the hands of a bunch of seventh-graders is going to be an intractable mess very quickly. So how do I set the system-wide default to whatever fugliness gnome offers that's not "Open a new window with each directory opened?" Cheers, Mike From les at futuresource.com Mon Dec 12 21:37:58 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 15:37:58 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] HELP: can there be two samba servers in one domain? In-Reply-To: <2be970b50512121251x401c07b8p328fe8531d5cd886@mail.gmail.com> References: <2be970b50512101520nb6c200euc78d565717aebeed@mail.gmail.com> <439D65DB.5030807@msad3.org> <2be970b50512121251x401c07b8p328fe8531d5cd886@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1134423478.10963.19.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2005-12-12 at 14:51, john wrote: > I am sort of amazed the more I look into this. As far as I can tell, > Multiple boxes running Samba really don't have a native way to share a > single backend via AD. I'd love to be wrong about this. I am sort of > thinking out loud here, perhaps it will help me or someone else who > has this problem in the future. There's always brute force: create the accounts yourself on the Linux side and copy the password file entries for uid >500 and the corresponding /etc/shadow, /etc/group, and /etc/gshadow entries across the servers. If you start out with webmin it can do this for you. Then they can all use the AD just for authentication by setting "password server" in /etc/samba/smb.conf and setting up smb authentication in authconfig. Are you planning to spread home directories over different servers or having some shared group r/w directories on the additional machines? -- Les Mikesell lesmikesell at gmail.com From bthomas at psysolutions.com Mon Dec 12 21:53:48 2005 From: bthomas at psysolutions.com (Brad Thomas) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 15:53:48 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Allow only HTTP requests Message-ID: <439DF16C.6000706@psysolutions.com> Is there a setting that I can make to only allow HTTP requests on ETH1 and block any other type of requests? From dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us Mon Dec 12 21:54:15 2005 From: dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 13:54:15 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] How to turn off dadburn spatial browsing? In-Reply-To: <439DEB64.9070908@rogueriver.k12.or.us> References: <439DEB64.9070908@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <439DF187.8090507@mesd.k12.or.us> Mike Ely wrote: > So how do I set the system-wide default to whatever fugliness gnome > offers that's not "Open a new window with each directory opened?" You want the "browser mode" preference in Desktop, Preferences, File Management, Behavior, Always open in browser windows. This should set it as the default: gconftool-2 --direct --config-source \ xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults --type bool --set \ /apps/nautilus/preferences/always_use_browser false -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Mon Dec 12 23:01:59 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 16:01:59 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Removing pushed icons from desktops Message-ID: <439E0167.3070407@elp.rr.com> I am using K12LTSP 4.4.0 After I have pushed a file Icon to the students desktops for them to use or view, how can I remove the thing all at once when We're finished with it? Thanks Pat From dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us Mon Dec 12 23:16:08 2005 From: dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 15:16:08 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Removing pushed icons from desktops In-Reply-To: <439E0167.3070407@elp.rr.com> References: <439E0167.3070407@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <439E04B8.3070100@mesd.k12.or.us> John P. Conlon wrote: > After I have pushed a file Icon to the students desktops for them to use > or view, how can I remove the thing all at once when We're finished with > it? Something like this should work: ICONNAME="The quick brown fox" cd /home for EACH in *; do rm /home/$EACH/Desktop/"$ICONNAME".desktop; done -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From gentgeen at linuxmail.org Tue Dec 13 04:09:04 2005 From: gentgeen at linuxmail.org (Gentgeen) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 23:09:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP with iMac terminal In-Reply-To: <439D86DA.20005@esdellecomputers.co.uk> References: <439C3FEB.2050107@esdellecomputers.co.uk> <439C581E.5040106@McQuil.com> <439C5C2A.40806@esdellecomputers.co.uk> <439D82BB.8080209@maltzen.net> <439D86DA.20005@esdellecomputers.co.uk> Message-ID: <20051212230904.111fe3bf@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 14:19:06 +0000 Rob Beard wrote: > Doesn't appear that any other programs work with the sound though. > They always seem to want to talk directly to /dev/dsp > > Regards, > > Rob This is mostly true - it really depends on the program. The wiki has a great explaination of how to get sound from Flash with Mozilla/Firefox. As for the other programs, I set up a bunch of scripts that I have added to the front of the users path. All scripts are located in /usr/local/esd-bin/ and each script looks something like this (using the /usr/local/esd-bin/frozen-bubble one as an example): #!/bin/sh if [ "$DISPLAY" != ":0.0" ]; then echo "running $0 with esd wrapper." exec esddsp /usr/games/frozen-bubble else echo "running $0 without a wrapper." exec /usr/games/frozen-bubble fi echo "end esd wrapper script" Maybe that will help you out some :-) Kevin -- ***************************************************************** Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation; for 'tis better to be alone then in bad company. - George Washington, Rules of Civility From ascensiontech at gmail.com Tue Dec 13 04:15:05 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 23:15:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Removing pushed icons from desktops In-Reply-To: <439E04B8.3070100@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <439E0167.3070407@elp.rr.com> <439E04B8.3070100@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <9bd317560512122015t3f967091u9b40c841ac78aa17@mail.gmail.com> Cool, I 've always wondered how to do that! On 12/12/05, Dan Young wrote: > John P. Conlon wrote: > > After I have pushed a file Icon to the students desktops for them to use > > or view, how can I remove the thing all at once when We're finished with > > it? > > Something like this should work: > > ICONNAME="The quick brown fox" > cd /home > for EACH in *; do rm /home/$EACH/Desktop/"$ICONNAME".desktop; done > > -- > Dan Young > Multnomah ESD - Technology Services > 503-257-1562 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From sbarar at gmail.com Tue Dec 13 04:30:38 2005 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 10:00:38 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Allow only HTTP requests In-Reply-To: <439DF16C.6000706@psysolutions.com> References: <439DF16C.6000706@psysolutions.com> Message-ID: <774593a20512122030q3fd23992g345764f29b0a04c2@mail.gmail.com> On 12/13/05, Brad Thomas wrote: > Is there a setting that I can make to only allow HTTP requests on ETH1 > and block any other type of requests? > Easy way: If you are using stock k12ltsp as root from a terminal give command "setup" Choose menu firewall>customize Set eth1 as non trusted device (default) and then set allow http Save before quitting. The command "service iptables restart" should do the trick. Caution assuming eth0 is ltsp network device always set this as trusted device other wise ltsp network will also come to halt. Simpler way: "man iptables" and edit /etc/sysconfig/iptables suitably and restart service. In both cases take backup of /etc/sysconfig/iptables before attampting. This way you can alsways copy back and come back to status quo. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Tue Dec 13 04:38:43 2005 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 20:38:43 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Allow only HTTP requests In-Reply-To: <774593a20512122030q3fd23992g345764f29b0a04c2@mail.gmail.com> References: <439DF16C.6000706@psysolutions.com> <774593a20512122030q3fd23992g345764f29b0a04c2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <439E5053.8000703@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Sudev Barar wrote: > On 12/13/05, Brad Thomas wrote: >> Is there a setting that I can make to only allow HTTP requests on ETH1 >> and block any other type of requests? >> > > > Easy way: > If you are using stock k12ltsp as root from a terminal give command > "setup" Choose menu firewall>customize Set eth1 as non trusted device > (default) and then set allow http Save before quitting. The command > "service iptables restart" should do the trick. Caution assuming eth0 > is ltsp network device always set this as trusted device other wise > ltsp network will also come to halt. > > Simpler way: > "man iptables" and edit /etc/sysconfig/iptables suitably and restart service. > > In both cases take backup of /etc/sysconfig/iptables before > attampting. This way you can alsways copy back and come back to status > quo. > > - Also, be very sure you aren't doing this from SSH, or if you are, be sure you allow inbound SSH (port 22) BEFORE anything else! I've made the mistake twice now (in the course of about five years) of doing "iptables -P INPUT DROP" before first doimg "iptables -I INPUT -p tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT" - once the computer was right next to me, but the other time required driving to another location to get at the physical console. Funny, yes, but only in retrospect. Cheers, Mike From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Dec 13 05:47:23 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 21:47:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] 64bit ISOs, almost beta-ready Message-ID: After a couple more days of hacking, I have a new set of test 4.2.2EL 64bit ISOs ready to play with. No real dire warnings this time, besides the fact that these have seen very little testing. But do note that this is pre-beta software, don't use it on a production system, etc, etc. After a first-pass, it looks like I have all of the big & obvious bugs shaken out. Now I'm off to look for the small and non-obvious bugs ;-) If you would like to help test, here are the shiny new ISOs: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.2EL-64bit/iso/ and rsync this time as well... rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-4.2.2-64bit-test/iso/ . -Eric From rmortimer at bluechiptechnology.co.uk Tue Dec 13 09:36:18 2005 From: rmortimer at bluechiptechnology.co.uk (Robert Mortimer) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 09:36:18 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] *AntiVirus Solution* In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000901c5ffc8$abadbfc0$ac00000a@RMORTIMER> -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Andrew Fisk Sent: 12 December 2005 15:47 To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] *AntiVirus Solution* >I have clam and clamwin deployed extensively and it works very well -- as I mentioned last time around I have >not bothered with AV for OS X (Sophos quit working when I upgraded to 10.4 frankly it wasn't worth the >performance hit to combat a non existent problem). IMHO the on access is vital is people are going to bring media into the building. Without "on access" a bad floppy's damage to the system is only limited by permissions, it there are any shared areas that is not good enough. I had a virus on a machine without "on access" and inside of an hour I had to restore large sets of files on the server. Clam is great for cleaning incoming web and mail but without shutting down "pen drives", "CDs", "Floppies" etc you need on access for the windows machines. I use a Clam/Sophos setup Clam for the incoming data streams Sophos for the on access (+MS anti-spyware beta for other threats) >I think you could deploy clam and be confident that your network will be secure -- even with a bunch of windows >machines, clam will kill any virus(s) on the server before they can do any damage. Run "on access on the clients" Reject viral email (sendmail mime-defang Sophos) or (sendmail milter clam) Run scheduled Sophos scan/quarantine on the server Optional Run local scans on clients but again IMOHO user's should not be able to save to the local machine >Sophos really does have an option to move (or delete) infected files, more of an issue on the mac is it's desire >to mount and scan any volume that has ever been mounted on that machine -- if you get 30+ desktops all trying to >scan a network volume you can imagine what that does for both network and server performance! Thanks Andy Spitfire Computer Services 441 Beaver Street Suite 202 Sewickley, PA 15143 Phone (412) 749-0162 Fax: (412) 749-0203 andy at spitcomp.com www.spitcomp.com On Dec 12, 2005, at 10:25 AM, Robert Mortimer wrote: All, Do any of you use ClamAV or KlamAV as your sole antivirus solution in your organizations? We have used Symantec, which we left, and are currently using Sophos Anti-Virus since it runs on Macs, Windows and Linux. However, Sophos doesn't handle infected files very well. Instead of quarantining the files it leaves them where they are and just informs the administrator that the computer/user has an infected file. Not an acceptable solution for our environment. The "on access" Sophos notification bans access files it does not perform a scan/cleanup. Sophos can be set to do a scheduled scan, this does provide clean up actions. Sophos can also be used to clean incoming e-mail streams and reject infected mail. (we were using it with sendmail/Mime-defang) On access is useful as is stops propagation between full scans (it is not provided by Clam under windows but can be provided using clam SAMBA on your file server). Note people who activate an "on access" scan event may not (should not) have the permissions needed to move viruses about our network, any clean up for "on access" would have to be done under these permissions. If that includes sending to quarantine that implies access to you quarantine store, you really do not want to go there. That is why you set up correct permissions and use them for a scheduled scan. So again, have/do any of you use ClamAV/KlamAV as your sole antivirus solution and how is it working for you and do you recommend it for heterogeneous networks? Any comments or suggestions from anyone on this is welcome and appreciated. Thanks in advance! -Paul -- Paul VanGundy Information Technology Director Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From gumprechtm at msad3.org Tue Dec 13 11:45:42 2005 From: gumprechtm at msad3.org (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 06:45:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] HELP: can there be two samba servers in one domain? In-Reply-To: <2be970b50512121251x401c07b8p328fe8531d5cd886@mail.gmail.com> References: <2be970b50512101520nb6c200euc78d565717aebeed@mail.gmail.com> <439D65DB.5030807@msad3.org> <2be970b50512121251x401c07b8p328fe8531d5cd886@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <439EB466.6070401@msad3.org> That's the can of worms I opened. I started what I thought was going to be a simple task, and ended up replacing my win2k domaincontroller. It is a 1024 subnet and 700 + users and did it 2 weeks before school started. Sweat pumps were in high speed. I must say that my problems have been fewer and log in times greatly reduced. I checked into fds then but just couldn't seem to grasp it. I tried all the windows to linux authing and storage, could get the authing easy enough, but the storage thing just didn't come, over my head at this point, maybe next year I will understand it better. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.....of course, many a rabbit don't make it across the road. Mark john wrote: >say that Thanks Mark, > >I am sort of amazed the more I look into this. As far as I can tell, >Multiple boxes running Samba really don't have a native way to share a >single backend via AD. I'd love to be wrong about this. I am sort of >thinking out loud here, perhaps it will help me or someone else who >has this problem in the future. > >I am not able to move to OpenLdap since the scope of this project =! >complete network paradigm shift at this time. The newly released FC4 >Directory Server http://directory.fedora.redhat.com/wiki/Main_Page >which could be a substitute for AD someday seems too green to me. > >The more I look into trying to have more than a single Samba box share >credentials with AD it looks like I have to do one of the following, >all of which seem to have _way_ too many moving parts to be reliable. > >1) Hack Samba (this is beyond my meager skillset, I assume if it were >obvious someone would have scratched this itch by now) >http://www.linux-faqs.com//HOWTO/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/cfgsmarts.php > >2) use someone else's hack by way of a seemingly moribund project on >Source Forge http://groups.google.com/group/linux.samba/browse_thread/thread/e9d0a4caedd67473/40b697830a6dce06?lnk=st&q=multiple+samba+ads&rnum=10&hl=en#40b697830a6dce06 >following directions from here: http://www.securityfocus.com/infocus/1563 > >3)Or use MS Unix tools >http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserversystem/sfu/downloads/default.mspx >using these directions http://www.oo-services.com/en/articles/sso.html > >Frankly, this seems like WAY to much work, just to spread a little >storage around. I'll keep looking into this, and would love to have >someone set me straight, and tell me (in an easy to follow step by >step manner :-) )how easy this project really is. > >John > > >On 12/12/05, Mark Gumprecht wrote: > > >>John I'm no pro and ran out of time with the beginning of school to get >>mine in so....net getlocalsid will pull up the local domain sid. Man net >>will give you some other commands like setlocalsid, not much, but HTH >>Mark >> >>john wrote: >> >> >> >>>Hi all, >>>I need some advice and I hope folks here can help. I have set up >>>k12ltsp to provide single sign on and file storage for users in >>>Windows Domain which uses ADS. However instead of storing the files >>>locally on the k12ltsp box, I would like to have my file storage on a >>>separate Samba file server (and in the future several Samba servers). >>>So basically multiple Samba installations using ADS and all using the >>>same SID==>GID/UID mapping. >>> >>>So here's the scenerio: >>> >>>Linux box A is running FC4 , Samba and NFS. This box exports /home via >>>NFS to Linux Box B running K12LTSP and Winbind. I have single sign >>>(for windows and terminal clients) via winbind working on box B. >>> >>>Problem: I need someway to keep SID ==> GID/UID mapping consistent >>> >>> >>>from box to box, if I run two version of winbind, mappings will be out >> >> >>>of sync. I THINK i need to create a unified IDMAP and point box A to >>>it. I've been looking at IDMap_RID here >>>http://tr.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/idmapper.html#id2567740 >>>but I am not sure that this is even in the ball park. >>> >>>Also, some folks seem to believe the only way to accomplish this is >>>with a Unix snap in for AD. >>> >>>I could really use some help on this! >>> >>>TIA, >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>-- >>Mark Gumprecht >>Data Systems Specialist >>MSAD3 >>Unity, ME >>gumprechtm at msad3.org >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msad3.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulz at zagz.com Tue Dec 13 11:49:41 2005 From: paulz at zagz.com (Paul Zagoridis) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 22:49:41 +1100 Subject: [K12OSN] Help with yum update error In-Reply-To: References: <439D7740.2070909@zagz.com> Message-ID: <439EB555.70608@zagz.com> Thanks Kevin Yes it is something to do with the new version of icewm. I did yum remove k12ltsp-extras and then yum update but when I try yum install k12ltsp-extras I get Error: Missing Dependency: icewm = 1.2.20 is needed by package icewm-l10n So how do I start resolving the dependency requirements? I'm thinking if I could find the k12ltsp-extras metapackage listing I could maybe update the contents. Regards Paul Kevin Verheyen wrote: > I removed the k12ltspextras package, and it did the update fine, > afterward i reinstalled the extras package. > > It has something to do with a new version of Icewm > > Anyone en explantion? > This is just the quick and dirty work around. > > kevin > > Op 12-dec-05, om 14:12 heeft Paul Zagoridis het volgende geschreven: > >> Hi All >> >> I'm trying to get my head around this error for a few days without >> success. I basically can't run yum update >> >> I've tried (without success) # yum remove k12ltsp-extras >> then manually install the missing dependency # rpm -ivh (all three >> dependencies) >> followed by # yum install k12ltsp-extras >> >> Any suggestions would be welcome. We don't use IceWM either. >> >> >> >> # yum update >> Repository extras is listed more than once in the configuration >> Setting up Update Process >> Setting up repositories >> core 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB >> 00:00 >> dries 100% |=========================| 951 B >> 00:00 >> freshrpms 100% |=========================| 951 B >> 00:00 >> k12ltsp 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB >> 00:00 >> webmin 100% |=========================| 951 B >> 00:00 >> extras 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB >> 00:00 >> newrpms.sunsite.dk 100% |=========================| 951 B >> 00:00 >> updates 100% |=========================| 951 B >> 00:00 >> updates-released 100% |=========================| 951 B >> 00:00 >> base 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB >> 00:00 >> Reading repository metadata in from local files >> Resolving Dependencies >> --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. >> ---> Package icewm.i386 0:1.2.23-1.2.fc4.rf set to be updated >> --> Running transaction check >> --> Processing Dependency: icewm-l10n for package: k12ltsp-extras >> --> Processing Dependency: icewm-themes for package: k12ltsp-extras >> --> Processing Dependency: icewm-menu-gnome2 for package: k12ltsp- >> extras >> --> Finished Dependency Resolution >> Error: Missing Dependency: icewm-l10n is needed by package k12ltsp- >> extras >> Error: Missing Dependency: icewm-themes is needed by package >> k12ltsp-extras >> Error: Missing Dependency: icewm-menu-gnome2 is needed by package >> k12ltsp-extras >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- Paul Zagoridis http://www.zagz.com From rmortimer at bluechiptechnology.co.uk Tue Dec 13 14:28:41 2005 From: rmortimer at bluechiptechnology.co.uk (Robert Mortimer) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 14:28:41 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] HELP: can there be two samba servers in one domain? In-Reply-To: <439EB466.6070401@msad3.org> Message-ID: <000501c5fff1$841de4c0$ac00000a@RMORTIMER> You only have one PCD The second machine is configured as a menbour server or a BDC This is the same as a windows NT setup The second server can be joined to the domain (SAMBA permissions will be shared but no unix permissions) OR Use LDAP for combined Unix Samba permissions from a common back end. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Mark Gumprecht Sent: 13 December 2005 11:46 To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] HELP: can there be two samba servers in one domain? That's the can of worms I opened. I started what I thought was going to be a simple task, and ended up replacing my win2k domaincontroller. It is a 1024 subnet and 700 + users and did it 2 weeks before school started. Sweat pumps were in high speed. I must say that my problems have been fewer and log in times greatly reduced. I checked into fds then but just couldn't seem to grasp it. I tried all the windows to linux authing and storage, could get the authing easy enough, but the storage thing just didn't come, over my head at this point, maybe next year I will understand it better. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.....of course, many a rabbit don't make it across the road. Mark john wrote: say that Thanks Mark, I am sort of amazed the more I look into this. As far as I can tell, Multiple boxes running Samba really don't have a native way to share a single backend via AD. Look for LDAP AD is a MS LDAP copy I'd love to be wrong about this. I am sort of thinking out loud here, perhaps it will help me or someone else who has this problem in the future. I am not able to move to OpenLdap since the scope of this project =! complete network paradigm shift at this time. The newly released FC4 Directory Server http://directory.fedora.redhat.com/wiki/Main_Page which could be a substitute for AD someday seems too green to me. Directory has a long history as a Netscape project it is not green The more I look into trying to have more than a single Samba box share credentials with AD it looks like I have to do one of the following, all of which seem to have _way_ too many moving parts to be reliable. 1) Hack Samba (this is beyond my meager skillset, I assume if it were obvious someone would have scratched this itch by now) http://www.linux-faqs.com//HOWTO/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/cfgsmarts.php 2) use someone else's hack by way of a seemingly moribund project on Source Forge http://groups.google.com/group/linux.samba/browse_thread/thread/e9d0a4caedd6 7473/40b697830a6dce06?lnk=st&q=multiple+samba+ads&rnum=10&hl=en#40b697830a6d ce06 following directions from here: http://www.securityfocus.com/infocus/1563 3)Or use MS Unix tools http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserversystem/sfu/downloads/default.mspx using these directions http://www.oo-services.com/en/articles/sso.html Frankly, this seems like WAY to much work, just to spread a little storage around. I'll keep looking into this, and would love to have someone set me straight, and tell me (in an easy to follow step by step manner :-) )how easy this project really is.If correcly configured you can just join windows devices to the domain John On 12/12/05, Mark Gumprecht wrote: John I'm no pro and ran out of time with the beginning of school to get mine in so....net getlocalsid will pull up the local domain sid. Man net will give you some other commands like setlocalsid, not much, but HTH Mark john wrote: Hi all, I need some advice and I hope folks here can help. I have set up k12ltsp to provide single sign on and file storage for users in Windows Domain which uses ADS. However instead of storing the files locally on the k12ltsp box, I would like to have my file storage on a separate Samba file server (and in the future several Samba servers). So basically multiple Samba installations using ADS and all using the same SID==>GID/UID mapping. So here's the scenerio: Linux box A is running FC4 , Samba and NFS. This box exports /home via NFS to Linux Box B running K12LTSP and Winbind. I have single sign (for windows and terminal clients) via winbind working on box B. Problem: I need someway to keep SID ==> GID/UID mapping consistent >from box to box, if I run two version of winbind, mappings will be out of sync. I THINK i need to create a unified IDMAP and point box A to it. I've been looking at IDMap_RID here http://tr.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/idmapper.html#id25 67740 but I am not sure that this is even in the ball park. Also, some folks seem to believe the only way to accomplish this is with a Unix snap in for AD. I could really use some help on this! TIA, _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msad3.org _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msad3.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rmortimer at bluechiptechnology.co.uk Tue Dec 13 14:34:52 2005 From: rmortimer at bluechiptechnology.co.uk (Robert Mortimer) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 14:34:52 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] HELP: can there be two samba servers in one domain? In-Reply-To: <2be970b50512121251x401c07b8p328fe8531d5cd886@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000a01c5fff2$61383810$ac00000a@RMORTIMER> There can be as many SAMBA servers as you like - You just have one PDC Simply join the secondary SAMBA device to the domain for storage Look at a BDC if you need fail-over authentication This is a windows NT thing not a Samba thing. In NT additional servers are joined to the domain in the same way as clients as BDCs. The only difference between NT server & normal clients is NT clients are crippled to limit connections. A BDC holds a copy of the authentication database and can validate logons (or be promoted to PDC) SAMBA does not have the artificial split between client and server. In both AD and NT there is always 1 prime machine PDC that can be supported by BDCS. BDCs are promoted in the event of the prime machine failing. AD has not changed this model it has just changes the type of information available and the manor of replication You can configure SAMBA PDC SAMBA BDC to a SAMBA PDC and SAMBA Member server (un crippled client) > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On > Behalf Of john > Sent: 12 December 2005 20:52 > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] HELP: can there be two samba servers in one > domain? > > > Thanks Mark, > > I am sort of amazed the more I look into this. As far as I can tell, > Multiple boxes running Samba really don't have a native way to share a > single backend via AD. I'd love to be wrong about this. I am sort of > thinking out loud here, perhaps it will help me or someone else who > has this problem in the future. > > I am not able to move to OpenLdap since the scope of this project =! > complete network paradigm shift at this time. The newly released FC4 > Directory Server http://directory.fedora.redhat.com/wiki/Main_Page > which could be a substitute for AD someday seems too green to me. > > The more I look into trying to have more than a single Samba box share > credentials with AD it looks like I have to do one of the following, > all of which seem to have _way_ too many moving parts to be reliable. > > 1) Hack Samba (this is beyond my meager skillset, I assume if it were > obvious someone would have scratched this itch by now) > http://www.linux-faqs.com//HOWTO/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/cfgsmarts.php > > 2) use someone else's hack by way of a seemingly moribund project on > Source Forge > http://groups.google.com/group/linux.samba/browse_thread/thread/e9 > d0a4caedd67473/40b697830a6dce06?lnk=st&q=multiple+samba+ads&rnum=1 > 0&hl=en#40b697830a6dce06 > following directions from here: http://www.securityfocus.com/infocus/1563 > > 3)Or use MS Unix tools > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserversystem/sfu/downloads/default.mspx > using these directions http://www.oo-services.com/en/articles/sso.html > > Frankly, this seems like WAY to much work, just to spread a little > storage around. I'll keep looking into this, and would love to have > someone set me straight, and tell me (in an easy to follow step by > step manner :-) )how easy this project really is. > > John > > > On 12/12/05, Mark Gumprecht wrote: > > John I'm no pro and ran out of time with the beginning of school to get > > mine in so....net getlocalsid will pull up the local domain sid. Man net > > will give you some other commands like setlocalsid, not much, but HTH > > Mark > > > > john wrote: > > > > >Hi all, > > >I need some advice and I hope folks here can help. I have set up > > >k12ltsp to provide single sign on and file storage for users in > > >Windows Domain which uses ADS. However instead of storing the files > > >locally on the k12ltsp box, I would like to have my file storage on a > > >separate Samba file server (and in the future several Samba servers). > > >So basically multiple Samba installations using ADS and all using the > > >same SID==>GID/UID mapping. > > > > > >So here's the scenerio: > > > > > >Linux box A is running FC4 , Samba and NFS. This box exports /home via > > >NFS to Linux Box B running K12LTSP and Winbind. I have single sign > > >(for windows and terminal clients) via winbind working on box B. > > > > > >Problem: I need someway to keep SID ==> GID/UID mapping consistent > > >from box to box, if I run two version of winbind, mappings will be out > > >of sync. I THINK i need to create a unified IDMAP and point box A to > > >it. I've been looking at IDMap_RID here > > >http://tr.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/idmapper.html#id2 567740 > >but I am not sure that this is even in the ball park. > > > >Also, some folks seem to believe the only way to accomplish this is > >with a Unix snap in for AD. > > > >I could really use some help on this! > > > >TIA, > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > > > > -- > Mark Gumprecht > Data Systems Specialist > MSAD3 > Unity, ME > gumprechtm at msad3.org > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tue Dec 13 15:11:02 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 09:11:02 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] two samba servers. . .same machine Message-ID: Is it possible to have two different samba servers runnin on the same physical computer? I have a sever dying and need to maintain connectivity for the computers that connect to it. It does not do autoentication, but it does have it's own name and has some shares available that need to be online. Example: \\serverone does authentication and login scripts, most shares, etc \\servertwo has shares that contain programs run by some users. I need \\serverone to point at it's regular samba servername and \\servertwo to point to a second samba server running on the same physical computer as \\serverone is on. It possible? Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! From bthomas at psysolutions.com Tue Dec 13 15:14:10 2005 From: bthomas at psysolutions.com (Brad Thomas) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 09:14:10 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Allow only HTTP requests In-Reply-To: <439E5053.8000703@rogueriver.k12.or.us> References: <439DF16C.6000706@psysolutions.com> <774593a20512122030q3fd23992g345764f29b0a04c2@mail.gmail.com> <439E5053.8000703@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <439EE542.5030303@psysolutions.com> Thanks for the help everyone. One last question is how can I remove the VNC Viewer from the Menu for the users, as well as removing other items from users? Thanks again everyone. Mike Ely wrote: > Sudev Barar wrote: > >> On 12/13/05, Brad Thomas wrote: >> >>> Is there a setting that I can make to only allow HTTP requests on ETH1 >>> and block any other type of requests? >>> >> >> >> Easy way: >> If you are using stock k12ltsp as root from a terminal give command >> "setup" Choose menu firewall>customize Set eth1 as non trusted device >> (default) and then set allow http Save before quitting. The command >> "service iptables restart" should do the trick. Caution assuming eth0 >> is ltsp network device always set this as trusted device other wise >> ltsp network will also come to halt. >> >> Simpler way: >> "man iptables" and edit /etc/sysconfig/iptables suitably and restart >> service. >> >> In both cases take backup of /etc/sysconfig/iptables before >> attampting. This way you can alsways copy back and come back to status >> quo. >> >> - > > Also, be very sure you aren't doing this from SSH, or if you are, be > sure you allow inbound SSH (port 22) BEFORE anything else! I've made > the mistake twice now (in the course of about five years) of doing > "iptables -P INPUT DROP" before first doimg "iptables -I INPUT -p tcp > --dport 22 -j ACCEPT" - once the computer was right next to me, but > the other time required driving to another location to get at the > physical console. > > Funny, yes, but only in retrospect. > > Cheers, > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From rmortimer at bluechiptechnology.co.uk Tue Dec 13 15:49:22 2005 From: rmortimer at bluechiptechnology.co.uk (Robert Mortimer) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 15:49:22 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] two samba servers. . .same machine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001201c5fffc$c9599560$ac00000a@RMORTIMER> It is possible to run 2 SAMBA daemons on different NICs (even 1 ream NIC and a virtual one.) It is however not easy. Spend $400 buy a PC. or use network logon to re-map the required shares or in the longer term look at Xen for multiple virtual machines You can not have 2 netbios names for the same IP address > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On > Behalf Of Doug Simpson > Sent: 13 December 2005 15:11 > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] two samba servers. . .same machine > > > Is it possible to have two different samba servers runnin on the same > physical computer? > > I have a sever dying and need to maintain connectivity for the computers > that connect to it. It does not do autoentication, but it does have it's > own name and has some shares available that need to be online. > > Example: > > \\serverone does authentication and login scripts, most shares, etc > > \\servertwo has shares that contain programs run by some users. > > I need \\serverone to point at it's regular samba servername and > \\servertwo to point to a second samba server running on the same > physical > computer as \\serverone is on. > > It possible? > > Doug Simpson > Technology Specialist > DeQueen Public Schools > DeQueen, AR 71832 > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > Tux for President! > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From rennerocha at gmail.com Tue Dec 13 16:31:24 2005 From: rennerocha at gmail.com (Renne Rocha) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 14:31:24 -0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Problems booting client Message-ID: Hello.... I installed K12Linux, and following the instructions in the manual configured the server and created a floppy image from Rom-o-Matic. When I try to boot the client I receive the following message: "Searching server (DHCP)....No IP Address .No IP Address ." The DHCP server is running (I tested) and all the connections between the server and the client aredone correctly. Somebody know what may be happening? Thanks a lot. Renne Rocha From gumprechtm at msad3.org Tue Dec 13 16:34:07 2005 From: gumprechtm at msad3.org (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 11:34:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Problems booting client In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <439EF7FF.80905@msad3.org> I've made the mistake of connecting to the wrong nic before, are you connected to the proper, 192.168.0.1, Nic? Mark Renne Rocha wrote: > Hello.... > > I installed K12Linux, and following the instructions in the manual >configured the server and created a floppy image from Rom-o-Matic. >When I try to boot the client I receive the following message: > > "Searching server (DHCP)....No IP Address > .No IP Address > ." > > The DHCP server is running (I tested) and all the connections >between the server and the client aredone correctly. Somebody know >what may be happening? > > Thanks a lot. > > Renne Rocha > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msad3.org From bkovach at logrog.net Tue Dec 13 17:00:05 2005 From: bkovach at logrog.net (Brandon Kovach) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 11:00:05 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] starting from scratch ... Message-ID: <54233.216.229.68.126.1134493205.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> We're working on installing LTSP from scratch. Both as a learning experience and also as a matter of having a stripped down version of K12ltsp. I've gotten to the point where LTSP is working. IPs are handed out and it's looking for a boot image. PXE booting is working. I know I don't have the right image yet, but... What I need to know is about the image. Does the image that is specified in the dhcpd.conf file have to be specific enough to point to a location of the files to boot? I guess what I am asking is ... If I copy one of the boot images from our other K12 server, but our ltsp files are in a slightly different location than on the other server, will the boot image work? BK -- "I don't know" isn't a penalty or an excuse. It's an opportunity. From lists.john at gmail.com Tue Dec 13 17:26:11 2005 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 09:26:11 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] two samba servers. . .same machine In-Reply-To: <001201c5fffc$c9599560$ac00000a@RMORTIMER> References: <001201c5fffc$c9599560$ac00000a@RMORTIMER> Message-ID: <2be970b50512130926t729a96c2xb87033ca0762cf14@mail.gmail.com> Or look here for the official howto: http://www.linux-faqs.com//HOWTO/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/cfgsmarts.php john On 12/13/05, Robert Mortimer wrote: > It is possible to run 2 SAMBA daemons on different NICs (even 1 ream NIC > and a virtual one.) It is however not easy. > > Spend $400 buy a PC. > or use network logon to re-map the required shares > or in the longer term look at Xen for multiple virtual machines > You can not have 2 netbios names for the same IP address > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On > > Behalf Of Doug Simpson > > Sent: 13 December 2005 15:11 > > To: k12osn at redhat.com > > Subject: [K12OSN] two samba servers. . .same machine > > > > > > Is it possible to have two different samba servers runnin on the same > > physical computer? > > > > I have a sever dying and need to maintain connectivity for the computers > > that connect to it. It does not do autoentication, but it does have it's > > own name and has some shares available that need to be online. > > > > Example: > > > > \\serverone does authentication and login scripts, most shares, etc > > > > \\servertwo has shares that contain programs run by some users. > > > > I need \\serverone to point at it's regular samba servername and > > \\servertwo to point to a second samba server running on the same > > physical > > computer as \\serverone is on. > > > > It possible? > > > > Doug Simpson > > Technology Specialist > > DeQueen Public Schools > > DeQueen, AR 71832 > > simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us > > Tux for President! > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Tue Dec 13 17:35:12 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 11:35:12 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] two samba servers. . .same machine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1134495312.30200.16.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-12-13 at 09:11, Doug Simpson wrote: > Is it possible to have two different samba servers runnin on the same > physical computer? > > I have a sever dying and need to maintain connectivity for the computers > that connect to it. It does not do autoentication, but it does have it's > own name and has some shares available that need to be online. > > Example: > > \\serverone does authentication and login scripts, most shares, etc > > \\servertwo has shares that contain programs run by some users. > > I need \\serverone to point at it's regular samba servername and > \\servertwo to point to a second samba server running on the same physical > computer as \\serverone is on. > > It possible? It may depend on your windows clients. XP and 2000 will connect to DNS names as well as netbios names and a samba server doesn't care what you call it - you can even connect by IP address. If you have DNS set up for your local domain, add a DNS CNAME for servertwo pointing to the serverone name. I think this will work for Win98SE and may have been a checkbox item in the DNS setup for earlier versions (resolve netbios names with dns). -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Tue Dec 13 18:16:52 2005 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 11:16:52 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Server loses 127.0.0.1 line at reboot Message-ID: Our new xenon 64 twin box is running well with only one issue since its install into my classroom of 30 clients 3 or 4 weeks ago... well, almost perfectly. At every infrequent reboot, the server loses the 127.0.0.1 loopback line in /etc/hosts. Help!! I can't figure out why this could be happening, but each time it does I need to stick it right back in. Thanks, Jim From twinprism at athena.physics.isu.edu Tue Dec 13 18:34:33 2005 From: twinprism at athena.physics.isu.edu (Ben Nickell) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 11:34:33 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP lab furniture Message-ID: <439F1439.6050702@physics.isu.edu> I have a lot of old PC's to use a clients, but not a lot of space in the classrooms to use them. I have mostly Optiplex GX1's and 17" CRTs. I'd love to be able to buy new small thin clients, and LCD's, but the budget isn't there. Has anyone found a good furniture solution to minimize the footprint in the classroom? I'd like to put 2-4 clients in each classroom. Thanks, Ben Nickell From thepiano at telenet.be Tue Dec 13 18:29:25 2005 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 19:29:25 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Help with yum update error In-Reply-To: <439EB555.70608@zagz.com> References: <439D7740.2070909@zagz.com> <439EB555.70608@zagz.com> Message-ID: <1626B560-C009-4BBB-B1C1-2176E77149DB@telenet.be> remove the icewm packages too, then reinstall the latest icewm then reinstall icewm that ugly workaround solved my job. Kevin Op 13-dec-05, om 12:49 heeft Paul Zagoridis het volgende geschreven: > Thanks Kevin > > Yes it is something to do with the new version of icewm. > > I did yum remove k12ltsp-extras and then yum update but when I try > yum install k12ltsp-extras I get > > Error: Missing Dependency: icewm = 1.2.20 is needed by package > icewm-l10n > > So how do I start resolving the dependency requirements? I'm > thinking if I could find the k12ltsp-extras metapackage listing I > could maybe update the contents. > > Regards > > Paul > > Kevin Verheyen wrote: > >> I removed the k12ltspextras package, and it did the update fine, >> afterward i reinstalled the extras package. >> >> It has something to do with a new version of Icewm >> >> Anyone en explantion? >> This is just the quick and dirty work around. >> >> kevin >> >> Op 12-dec-05, om 14:12 heeft Paul Zagoridis het volgende geschreven: >> >>> Hi All >>> >>> I'm trying to get my head around this error for a few days >>> without success. I basically can't run yum update >>> >>> I've tried (without success) # yum remove k12ltsp-extras >>> then manually install the missing dependency # rpm -ivh (all >>> three dependencies) >>> followed by # yum install k12ltsp-extras >>> >>> Any suggestions would be welcome. We don't use IceWM either. >>> >>> >>> >>> # yum update >>> Repository extras is listed more than once in the configuration >>> Setting up Update Process >>> Setting up repositories >>> core 100% |=========================| 1.1 >>> kB 00:00 >>> dries 100% |=========================| 951 >>> B 00:00 >>> freshrpms 100% |=========================| 951 >>> B 00:00 >>> k12ltsp 100% |=========================| 1.1 >>> kB 00:00 >>> webmin 100% |=========================| 951 >>> B 00:00 >>> extras 100% |=========================| 1.1 >>> kB 00:00 >>> newrpms.sunsite.dk 100% |=========================| 951 >>> B 00:00 >>> updates 100% |=========================| 951 >>> B 00:00 >>> updates-released 100% |=========================| 951 >>> B 00:00 >>> base 100% |=========================| 1.1 >>> kB 00:00 >>> Reading repository metadata in from local files >>> Resolving Dependencies >>> --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. >>> ---> Package icewm.i386 0:1.2.23-1.2.fc4.rf set to be updated >>> --> Running transaction check >>> --> Processing Dependency: icewm-l10n for package: k12ltsp-extras >>> --> Processing Dependency: icewm-themes for package: k12ltsp-extras >>> --> Processing Dependency: icewm-menu-gnome2 for package: >>> k12ltsp- extras >>> --> Finished Dependency Resolution >>> Error: Missing Dependency: icewm-l10n is needed by package >>> k12ltsp- extras >>> Error: Missing Dependency: icewm-themes is needed by package >>> k12ltsp-extras >>> Error: Missing Dependency: icewm-menu-gnome2 is needed by >>> package k12ltsp-extras >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > > -- > Paul Zagoridis > http://www.zagz.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From rmcdaniel at indata.us Tue Dec 13 20:12:10 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 13:12:10 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap install script error more info Message-ID: <20051213131210.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.4e71551f3d.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> This is all of the info out of the .log file Running smbldap-populate...erreur LDAP: Can't contact master ldap server (IO::Socket::INET: connect: Connection refused) at /opt/IDEALX/sbin//smbldap_tools.pm line 270. Populating LDAP directory for domain EES (S-1-5-21-3024135890-955416780-471706211) (using builtin directory structure) failure! I'm stopping here because this is bad. Correct the error by hand and re-run this script. Thanks, Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 230-0658 cell rmcdaniel at indata.us From rmcdaniel at indata.us Tue Dec 13 20:05:56 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 13:05:56 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap install script error Message-ID: <20051213130556.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.2e193c2e88.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> While running the smbldap-configure script, I receive this error: Running smbldap-populate...failure! I'm stopping here because this is bad. Correct the error by hand and re-run this script. Can anyone point me in the right direction? I am using LTSP 4.4.1 distro and running the smbldap-installer-2.0-delta-r4.tgz version. Thanks, Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 230-0658 cell rmcdaniel at indata.us From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Dec 13 21:26:53 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 13:26:53 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP lab furniture In-Reply-To: <439F1439.6050702@physics.isu.edu> References: <439F1439.6050702@physics.isu.edu> Message-ID: <439F3C9D.50704@paasda.org> The best I've found are those 6' tables with 3 pre-cut holes for the cables...not elegant by anymeans... but usually acquired on the cheap, and better ergonomically than most other deskspaces.. --Huck Ben Nickell wrote: > I have a lot of old PC's to use a clients, but not a lot of space in the > classrooms to use them. I have mostly Optiplex GX1's and 17" CRTs. > I'd love to be able to buy new small thin clients, and LCD's, but the > budget isn't there. Has anyone found a good furniture solution to > minimize the footprint in the classroom? I'd like to put 2-4 clients in > each classroom. > Thanks, > Ben Nickell > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From lists.john at gmail.com Tue Dec 13 21:52:16 2005 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 13:52:16 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap install script error In-Reply-To: <20051213130556.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.2e193c2e88.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> References: <20051213130556.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.2e193c2e88.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <2be970b50512131352i7f9b0933t21bb2798381e2ba5@mail.gmail.com> Try looking here: http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&q=smbldap-populate&qt_s=Search John On 12/13/05, rmcdaniel at indata.us wrote: > While running the smbldap-configure script, I receive this error: > > Running smbldap-populate...failure! > I'm stopping here because this is bad. > Correct the error by hand and re-run this script. > > > Can anyone point me in the right direction? I am using LTSP 4.4.1 > distro and running the smbldap-installer-2.0-delta-r4.tgz version. > > Thanks, > > Ron > > Ronald R. McDaniel > Conecuh County Schools > (251) 578-7073 x26 > (251) 230-0658 cell > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From andy at spitcomp.com Tue Dec 13 22:26:03 2005 From: andy at spitcomp.com (Andrew Fisk) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 17:26:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP lab furniture In-Reply-To: <439F3C9D.50704@paasda.org> References: <439F1439.6050702@physics.isu.edu> <439F3C9D.50704@paasda.org> Message-ID: <9EB1031B-EFE6-4791-96D8-67510CA43A42@spitcomp.com> A school I used to deal with in NJ attached casters to the legs of a small table so they could easily slide the computers out of the way -- the furniture was from a company called Bush and they were pretty cheap -- I don't know if they are still around, but IKEA might work. Thanks Andy Spitfire Computer Services 441 Beaver Street Suite 202 Sewickley, PA 15143 Phone (412) 749-0162 Fax: (412) 749-0203 andy at spitcomp.com www.spitcomp.com On Dec 13, 2005, at 4:26 PM, Huck wrote: > The best I've found are those 6' tables with 3 pre-cut holes for > the cables...not elegant by anymeans... but usually acquired on the > cheap, and better ergonomically than most other deskspaces.. > > --Huck > > Ben Nickell wrote: >> I have a lot of old PC's to use a clients, but not a lot of space >> in the classrooms to use them. I have mostly Optiplex GX1's and >> 17" CRTs. I'd love to be able to buy new small thin clients, and >> LCD's, but the budget isn't there. Has anyone found a good >> furniture solution to minimize the footprint in the classroom? >> I'd like to put 2-4 clients in each classroom. >> Thanks, >> Ben Nickell >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us Tue Dec 13 22:52:02 2005 From: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us (Mark Sarria) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 14:52:02 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] ROOT user is lockout! Message-ID: <200512132322.jBDNMcYV025177@mx1.redhat.com> I did something very foolish, I using the WINNT4 user manager program I changed the logon time for the user ROOT, know I am locked out and can not login using my usermanager program to make changes to the domain user accounts nor can I join any new workstations to the domain. Can someone tell me how to change sambalogonhours. At the moment it is set to 00000000000. Thanks --MARK From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Tue Dec 13 23:54:31 2005 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 16:54:31 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: ROOT user is lockout! Message-ID: What about single boot into the console then editing the samba conf file? Jim --------------------------------------- I did something very foolish, I using the WINNT4 user manager program I changed the logon time for the user ROOT, know I am locked out and can not login using my usermanager program to make changes to the domain user accounts nor can I join any new workstations to the domain. Can someone tell me how to change sambalogonhours. At the moment it is set to 00000000000. Thanks --MARK From cliebow at midmaine.com Wed Dec 14 02:09:20 2005 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 21:09:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap install script error In-Reply-To: <20051213130556.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.2e193c2e88.wbe@email. email.secureserver.net> References: <20051213130556.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.2e193c2e88.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <59525.70.33.151.214.1134526160.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> you have smbldap-tools installed? perhaps your path doesnt point to its dirctroy..lsatly look for smbldap_bind.conf..chuck > While running the smbldap-configure script, I receive this error: > > Running smbldap-populate...failure! > I'm stopping here because this is bad. > Correct the error by hand and re-run this script. > > > Can anyone point me in the right direction? I am using LTSP 4.4.1 > distro and running the smbldap-installer-2.0-delta-r4.tgz version. > > Thanks, > > Ron > > Ronald R. McDaniel > Conecuh County Schools > (251) 578-7073 x26 > (251) 230-0658 cell > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Dec 14 08:06:16 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 00:06:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Help with yum update error In-Reply-To: <439D7740.2070909@zagz.com> References: <439D7740.2070909@zagz.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Dec 2005, Paul Zagoridis wrote: > Hi All > > I'm trying to get my head around this error for a few days without success. I > basically can't run yum update > > I've tried (without success) # yum remove k12ltsp-extras > then manually install the missing dependency # rpm -ivh (all three > dependencies) > followed by # yum install k12ltsp-extras > > Any suggestions would be welcome. We don't use IceWM either. > > > > # yum update > Repository extras is listed more than once in the configuration > Setting up Update Process > Setting up repositories > core 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 > dries 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 > freshrpms 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 > k12ltsp 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 > webmin 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 > extras 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 > newrpms.sunsite.dk 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 > updates 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 > updates-released 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 > base 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 > Reading repository metadata in from local files > Resolving Dependencies > --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. > ---> Package icewm.i386 0:1.2.23-1.2.fc4.rf set to be updated > --> Running transaction check > --> Processing Dependency: icewm-l10n for package: k12ltsp-extras > --> Processing Dependency: icewm-themes for package: k12ltsp-extras > --> Processing Dependency: icewm-menu-gnome2 for package: k12ltsp-extras > --> Finished Dependency Resolution > Error: Missing Dependency: icewm-l10n is needed by package k12ltsp-extras > Error: Missing Dependency: icewm-themes is needed by package k12ltsp-extras > Error: Missing Dependency: icewm-menu-gnome2 is needed by package > k12ltsp-extras > I see that you are using a couple of third-party repositories. The conflict, in your case, comes from the "dries" repository you added. I try to make sure that the K12LTSP repositories do not conflict with the freshrpms, livna, and fedora extras repositories. K12LTSP ships with /etc/yum.repo.d/*.repo files for all three, but only fedora extras is turned on by default. If you use a repository other than freshrpms, livna, or fedora extras with the K12LTSP repository, you run the risk of such conflicts. Yumex, the gui for yum, has pretty good support for dealing with this. You can create different profiles, you can create a non-default profile that includes third party repositories. You can update off the default profile, then select the third-party profile to see if there are any updates there - and select just the specific packages that you need from those third-party repositories. As for IceWM, I had already packaged the latest version, but so far had only done 64bit builds (since that's what I'm working on right now). I built 32bit update packages for K12LTSP 4.4.x and loaded them into the repository. Not sure if that'll help or not, since I didn't test them against the "dries" repository ;-) -Eric From rmortimer at bluechiptechnology.co.uk Wed Dec 14 08:39:11 2005 From: rmortimer at bluechiptechnology.co.uk (Robert Mortimer) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 08:39:11 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] two samba servers. . .same machine In-Reply-To: <1134495312.30200.16.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <000201c60089$db409480$ac00000a@RMORTIMER> > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On > Behalf Of Les Mikesell > Sent: 13 December 2005 17:35 > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] two samba servers. . .same machine > > > On Tue, 2005-12-13 at 09:11, Doug Simpson wrote: > > Is it possible to have two different samba servers runnin on the same > > physical computer? > > > > I have a sever dying and need to maintain connectivity for the > computers > > that connect to it. It does not do autoentication, but it does > have it's > > own name and has some shares available that need to be online. > > > > Example: > > > > \\serverone does authentication and login scripts, most shares, etc > > > > \\servertwo has shares that contain programs run by some users. > > > > I need \\serverone to point at it's regular samba servername and > > \\servertwo to point to a second samba server running on the > same physical > > computer as \\serverone is on. > > > > It possible? > > It may depend on your windows clients. XP and 2000 will connect to DNS > names as well as netbios names and a samba server doesn't care what you > call it - you can even connect by IP address. If you have DNS set up > for your local domain, add a DNS CNAME for servertwo pointing to the > serverone name. I think this will work for Win98SE and may have been > a checkbox item in the DNS setup for earlier versions (resolve netbios > names with dns). I think I have tried this before and the connection was rejected. I suspect that the name is part of the handshake and if the name given by the server is not the name expected by the client the handshake stops. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Wed Dec 14 09:09:36 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 09:09:36 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] two samba servers. . .same machine In-Reply-To: <2be970b50512130926t729a96c2xb87033ca0762cf14@mail.gmail.com> References: <001201c5fffc$c9599560$ac00000a@RMORTIMER> <2be970b50512130926t729a96c2xb87033ca0762cf14@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <439FE150.60400@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Couldn't you add \\servertwo as a `netbios alias` in your smb.conf file on \\serverone ? I have a couple of servers that are know by two different names and these names don't exist in DNS. The copy the shares etc you need from \\servertwo to \\serverone. Am I over simplifying this :-/ Brian john wrote: > Or look here for the official howto: > > http://www.linux-faqs.com//HOWTO/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/cfgsmarts.php > > john > > On 12/13/05, Robert Mortimer wrote: > >>It is possible to run 2 SAMBA daemons on different NICs (even 1 ream NIC >>and a virtual one.) It is however not easy. >> >>Spend $400 buy a PC. >>or use network logon to re-map the required shares >>or in the longer term look at Xen for multiple virtual machines >>You can not have 2 netbios names for the same IP address >> >> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On >>>Behalf Of Doug Simpson >>>Sent: 13 December 2005 15:11 >>>To: k12osn at redhat.com >>>Subject: [K12OSN] two samba servers. . .same machine >>> >>> >>>Is it possible to have two different samba servers runnin on the same >>>physical computer? >>> >>>I have a sever dying and need to maintain connectivity for the computers >>>that connect to it. It does not do autoentication, but it does have it's >>>own name and has some shares available that need to be online. >>> >>>Example: >>> >>>\\serverone does authentication and login scripts, most shares, etc >>> >>>\\servertwo has shares that contain programs run by some users. >>> >>>I need \\serverone to point at it's regular samba servername and >>>\\servertwo to point to a second samba server running on the same >>>physical >>>computer as \\serverone is on. >>> >>>It possible? >>> >>>Doug Simpson >>>Technology Specialist >>>DeQueen Public Schools >>>DeQueen, AR 71832 >>>simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >>>Tux for President! >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From hick518 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 14 11:02:24 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 03:02:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] starting from scratch ... In-Reply-To: <54233.216.229.68.126.1134493205.squirrel@mail.logrog.net> Message-ID: <20051214110224.58662.qmail@web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> By "image", I'm assuming you are referring to the kernel. Your dhcpd.conf file will have a line like this: filename "/lts/vmlinuz-2.4.26-ltsp-3"; Note that there is no /lts directory in your root directory on your server. The location of the /lts directory is defined by your tftp setup, which is located either in /etc/inetd.conf or in /etc/xinet.d/tftpd (or something like that). With a stock ltsp setup, I believe the tftp "root" is /tftpboot. If your tftp setup is specifying /tftpboot as the "root" (using the -s switch), and you have the above line in your dhcpd.conf file, then you will need to make sure that /tftpboot/lts/vmlinuz-2.4.26-ltsp-3 is present, because that's what the software is going to look for. Note that some distributions default to putting tftp stuff in /var/lib/tftpboot instead of in /tftpboot. -Rob --- Brandon Kovach wrote: > We're working on installing LTSP from scratch. Both > as a learning > experience and also as a matter of having a stripped > down version of > K12ltsp. I've gotten to the point where LTSP is > working. IPs are handed > out and it's looking for a boot image. PXE booting > is working. I know I > don't have the right image yet, but... > > What I need to know is about the image. Does the > image that is specified > in the dhcpd.conf file have to be specific enough to > point to a location > of the files to boot? I guess what I am asking is > ... If I copy one of > the boot images from our other K12 server, but our > ltsp files are in a > slightly different location than on the other > server, will the boot image > work? > > BK > > -- > "I don't know" isn't a penalty or an excuse. It's > an opportunity. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From hick518 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 14 11:08:29 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 03:08:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] ROOT user is lockout! In-Reply-To: <200512132322.jBDNMcYV025177@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20051214110829.13862.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In general, no matter what you screw up, you can fix it by booting from a Knoppix cd. Go to http://www.knopper.net/knoppix-mirrors/index-en.html if you don't have a Knoppix cd already -- everybody should have one of these! Once booted, you'll mount your hard drive by double-clicking the hard drive icon on the desktop. You can then edit any files you previously screwed up. You can also run commands on your screwed-up system by using the chroot command. Note that Knoppix respects the permissions on your hard drive. If a file on your hard drive is owned by root, you will need to become root in Knoppix in order to edit it. I forget how to do this graphically, but you can open a terminal and use the sudo command (for instance, sudo kedit /mnt/hda1/screwed_up_file.txt) -- Knoppix will not ask you for a root password. -Rob --- Mark Sarria wrote: > I did something very foolish, I using the WINNT4 > user manager program I > changed the logon time for the user ROOT, know I am > locked out and can not > login using my usermanager program to make changes > to the domain user > accounts nor can I join any new workstations to the > domain. > > Can someone tell me how to change sambalogonhours. > At the moment it is set > to 00000000000. > > Thanks > > --MARK > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From paulz at zagz.com Wed Dec 14 12:24:34 2005 From: paulz at zagz.com (Paul Zagoridis) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 23:24:34 +1100 Subject: [K12OSN] Help with yum update error In-Reply-To: References: <439D7740.2070909@zagz.com> Message-ID: <43A00F02.6070802@zagz.com> Eric thank you very much for this insightful answer. I was aware of repository conflicts but thought dries was the preferred 3rd party for FC4 according to most stuff I read. I'm not particularly attached to it so I'll disable it now. Oh and icewm worked perfectly before I disabled dries, so well done Regards Paul Eric Harrison wrote: > On Tue, 13 Dec 2005, Paul Zagoridis wrote: > >> Hi All >> >> I'm trying to get my head around this error for a few days without >> success. I basically can't run yum update >> >> I've tried (without success) # yum remove k12ltsp-extras >> then manually install the missing dependency # rpm -ivh (all three >> dependencies) >> followed by # yum install k12ltsp-extras >> >> Any suggestions would be welcome. We don't use IceWM either. >> >> >> >> # yum update >> Repository extras is listed more than once in the configuration >> Setting up Update Process >> Setting up repositories >> core 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB >> 00:00 >> dries 100% |=========================| 951 B >> 00:00 >> freshrpms 100% |=========================| 951 B >> 00:00 >> k12ltsp 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB >> 00:00 >> webmin 100% |=========================| 951 B >> 00:00 >> extras 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB >> 00:00 >> newrpms.sunsite.dk 100% |=========================| 951 B >> 00:00 >> updates 100% |=========================| 951 B >> 00:00 >> updates-released 100% |=========================| 951 B >> 00:00 >> base 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB >> 00:00 >> Reading repository metadata in from local files >> Resolving Dependencies >> --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. >> ---> Package icewm.i386 0:1.2.23-1.2.fc4.rf set to be updated >> --> Running transaction check >> --> Processing Dependency: icewm-l10n for package: k12ltsp-extras >> --> Processing Dependency: icewm-themes for package: k12ltsp-extras >> --> Processing Dependency: icewm-menu-gnome2 for package: k12ltsp-extras >> --> Finished Dependency Resolution >> Error: Missing Dependency: icewm-l10n is needed by package >> k12ltsp-extras >> Error: Missing Dependency: icewm-themes is needed by package >> k12ltsp-extras >> Error: Missing Dependency: icewm-menu-gnome2 is needed by package >> k12ltsp-extras >> > > I see that you are using a couple of third-party repositories. The > conflict, in your case, comes from the "dries" repository you added. > > I try to make sure that the K12LTSP repositories do not conflict with > the freshrpms, livna, and fedora extras repositories. K12LTSP ships > with /etc/yum.repo.d/*.repo files for all three, but only fedora extras > is turned on by default. > > > If you use a repository other than freshrpms, livna, or fedora extras > with the K12LTSP repository, you run the risk of such conflicts. > > Yumex, the gui for yum, has pretty good support for dealing with this. > You can create different profiles, you can create a non-default profile > that includes third party repositories. You can update off the default > profile, then select the third-party profile to see if there are any > updates there - and select just the specific packages that you need > from those third-party repositories. > > > As for IceWM, I had already packaged the latest version, but so far > had only done 64bit builds (since that's what I'm working on right now). > I built 32bit update packages for K12LTSP 4.4.x and loaded them into > the repository. Not sure if that'll help or not, since I didn't test > them against the "dries" repository ;-) > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- Paul Zagoridis http://www.zagz.com From les at futuresource.com Wed Dec 14 13:40:54 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 07:40:54 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] two samba servers. . .same machine In-Reply-To: <000201c60089$db409480$ac00000a@RMORTIMER> References: <000201c60089$db409480$ac00000a@RMORTIMER> Message-ID: <1134567654.18433.8.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-12-14 at 02:39, Robert Mortimer wrote: > > > > It may depend on your windows clients. XP and 2000 will connect to DNS > > names as well as netbios names and a samba server doesn't care what you > > call it - you can even connect by IP address. If you have DNS set up > > for your local domain, add a DNS CNAME for servertwo pointing to the > > serverone name. I think this will work for Win98SE and may have been > > a checkbox item in the DNS setup for earlier versions (resolve netbios > > names with dns). > > I think I have tried this before and the connection was rejected. I suspect > that the name is part of the handshake and if the name given by the server > is not the name expected by the client the handshake stops. It doesn't work the other direction - that is a windows server won't accept connections to a name other than its own, but at least xp and win2k clients will connect to dns CNAMES pointing to a samba server. As someone else mentioned, adding it to "netbios aliases = " should work anyway. In fact you may need both for a mix of clients. I think XP prefers to use DNS for the name lookup. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Wed Dec 14 13:48:51 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 07:48:51 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] ROOT user is lockout! In-Reply-To: <20051214110829.13862.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051214110829.13862.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1134568131.18433.16.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-12-14 at 05:08, Rob Owens wrote: > In general, no matter what you screw up, you can fix > it by booting from a Knoppix cd. Go to > http://www.knopper.net/knoppix-mirrors/index-en.html > if you don't have a Knoppix cd already -- everybody > should have one of these! I don't think knoppix understands LVM2 yet and the current k12 versions will install on LVM2 by default. However, you can boot your k12ltsp install CD with 'linux rescue' at the boot prompt and do the same things. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Dec 14 14:13:04 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 09:13:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap install script error In-Reply-To: <20051213130556.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.2e193c2e88.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> References: <20051213130556.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.2e193c2e88.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: Go back to ttp://www.majen.net/smbldap/archive/ and grab 2.0 beta......run the installer and let me know if it doesn't work...this is the last one I know I tested....if it works....let me know and we'll fix the problem in delta...if not....then we need to find out what's wrong on your end. "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, December 13, 2005 at 3:05 PM +0000 wrote: >While running the smbldap-configure script, I receive this error: > >Running smbldap-populate...failure! >I'm stopping here because this is bad. >Correct the error by hand and re-run this script. > > >Can anyone point me in the right direction? I am using LTSP 4.4.1 >distro and running the smbldap-installer-2.0-delta-r4.tgz version. > >Thanks, > >Ron > >Ronald R. McDaniel >Conecuh County Schools >(251) 578-7073 x26 >(251) 230-0658 cell >rmcdaniel at indata.us > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Wed Dec 14 14:13:04 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 09:13:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap install script error In-Reply-To: <20051213130556.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.2e193c2e88.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> References: <20051213130556.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.2e193c2e88.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: Go back to ttp://www.majen.net/smbldap/archive/ and grab 2.0 beta......run the installer and let me know if it doesn't work...this is the last one I know I tested....if it works....let me know and we'll fix the problem in delta...if not....then we need to find out what's wrong on your end. "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, December 13, 2005 at 3:05 PM +0000 wrote: >While running the smbldap-configure script, I receive this error: > >Running smbldap-populate...failure! >I'm stopping here because this is bad. >Correct the error by hand and re-run this script. > > >Can anyone point me in the right direction? I am using LTSP 4.4.1 >distro and running the smbldap-installer-2.0-delta-r4.tgz version. > >Thanks, > >Ron > >Ronald R. McDaniel >Conecuh County Schools >(251) 578-7073 x26 >(251) 230-0658 cell >rmcdaniel at indata.us > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From petre at maltzen.net Wed Dec 14 14:52:30 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 08:52:30 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Help with yum update error In-Reply-To: References: <439D7740.2070909@zagz.com> Message-ID: <43A031AE.3010407@maltzen.net> Eric Harrison wrote: > On Tue, 13 Dec 2005, Paul Zagoridis wrote: > >> Hi All >> >> I'm trying to get my head around this error for a few days without >> success. I basically can't run yum update >> >> I've tried (without success) # yum remove k12ltsp-extras >> then manually install the missing dependency # rpm -ivh (all three >> dependencies) >> followed by # yum install k12ltsp-extras >> >> Any suggestions would be welcome. We don't use IceWM either. >> >> >> >> # yum update >> Repository extras is listed more than once in the configuration >> Setting up Update Process >> Setting up repositories >> core 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB >> 00:00 >> dries 100% |=========================| 951 B >> 00:00 >> freshrpms 100% |=========================| 951 B >> 00:00 >> k12ltsp 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB >> 00:00 >> webmin 100% |=========================| 951 B >> 00:00 >> extras 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB >> 00:00 >> newrpms.sunsite.dk 100% |=========================| 951 B >> 00:00 >> updates 100% |=========================| 951 B >> 00:00 >> updates-released 100% |=========================| 951 B >> 00:00 >> base 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB >> 00:00 >> Reading repository metadata in from local files >> Resolving Dependencies >> --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. >> ---> Package icewm.i386 0:1.2.23-1.2.fc4.rf set to be updated >> --> Running transaction check >> --> Processing Dependency: icewm-l10n for package: k12ltsp-extras >> --> Processing Dependency: icewm-themes for package: k12ltsp-extras >> --> Processing Dependency: icewm-menu-gnome2 for package: k12ltsp-extras >> --> Finished Dependency Resolution >> Error: Missing Dependency: icewm-l10n is needed by package k12ltsp-extras >> Error: Missing Dependency: icewm-themes is needed by package >> k12ltsp-extras >> Error: Missing Dependency: icewm-menu-gnome2 is needed by package >> k12ltsp-extras >> > > I see that you are using a couple of third-party repositories. The > conflict, in your case, comes from the "dries" repository you added. > Eric- How did you figure out that the dries repository is the source of the conflict? From petre at maltzen.net Wed Dec 14 15:05:30 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 09:05:30 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Really OT: easter egg in OOo Message-ID: <43A034BA.9000706@maltzen.net> Okay, this is waaaay off-topic, but I found it amusing and wanted to share. There's an easter egg in OpenOffice.org 2.0: open a spreadsheet and enter =Game("StarWars") in any cell, and it launches a Star Wars game. I did this on my server; not sure how well it works on a terminal. I read about it at http://www.eggheaven2000.com/detailed/2735.html Petre From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Dec 14 15:13:29 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 07:13:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Help with yum update error In-Reply-To: <43A031AE.3010407@maltzen.net> References: <439D7740.2070909@zagz.com> <43A031AE.3010407@maltzen.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 14 Dec 2005, Petre Scheie wrote: > > > Eric Harrison wrote: >> On Tue, 13 Dec 2005, Paul Zagoridis wrote: >> >>> Hi All >>> >>> I'm trying to get my head around this error for a few days without success. >>> I basically can't run yum update >>> >>> I've tried (without success) # yum remove k12ltsp-extras >>> then manually install the missing dependency # rpm -ivh (all three >>> dependencies) >>> followed by # yum install k12ltsp-extras >>> >>> Any suggestions would be welcome. We don't use IceWM either. >>> >>> >>> >>> # yum update >>> Repository extras is listed more than once in the configuration >>> Setting up Update Process >>> Setting up repositories >>> core 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 >>> dries 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 >>> freshrpms 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 >>> k12ltsp 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 >>> webmin 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 >>> extras 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 >>> newrpms.sunsite.dk 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 >>> updates 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 >>> updates-released 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 >>> base 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 >>> Reading repository metadata in from local files >>> Resolving Dependencies >>> --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. >>> ---> Package icewm.i386 0:1.2.23-1.2.fc4.rf set to be updated >>> --> Running transaction check >>> --> Processing Dependency: icewm-l10n for package: k12ltsp-extras >>> --> Processing Dependency: icewm-themes for package: k12ltsp-extras >>> --> Processing Dependency: icewm-menu-gnome2 for package: k12ltsp-extras >>> --> Finished Dependency Resolution >>> Error: Missing Dependency: icewm-l10n is needed by package k12ltsp-extras >>> Error: Missing Dependency: icewm-themes is needed by package k12ltsp-extras >>> Error: Missing Dependency: icewm-menu-gnome2 is needed by package >>> k12ltsp-extras >>> >> >> I see that you are using a couple of third-party repositories. The >> conflict, in your case, comes from the "dries" repository you added. >> > Eric- > How did you figure out that the dries repository is the source of the > conflict? 1. There were two non-standard repositories in the yum output: >>> dries 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 >>> newrpms.sunsite.dk 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 2. The yum output said it was going to update icewm: >>> ---> Package icewm.i386 0:1.2.23-1.2.fc4.rf set to be updated 3. I googled for "icewm-1.2.23-1.2.fc4.rf" and saw that specific file was found in a repository called "dries". 4. I checked newrpms.sunsite.dk and it did not contain an icewm package. Therefore, it must have been the "dries" repository. If this were my own machine, I would have simply ran "yum list updates" and seen which repository was the guilty party. Something like: # yum list updates | grep icewm icewm.i386 0:1.2.23-1.2.fc4.rf dries -Eric From mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us Wed Dec 14 16:38:02 2005 From: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us (Mark Sarria) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 08:38:02 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: ROOT user is lockout! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200512141638.jBEGcAcp003349@mx1.redhat.com> Let me clear it up a bit, I looked out the SAMBA ROOT user, I am still able to login to my server via ssh or standing in front of it. I set a time limit on the Samba root account the one I need to join computers to my domain. --MARK -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jim Christiansen Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 3:55 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] RE: ROOT user is lockout! What about single boot into the console then editing the samba conf file? Jim --------------------------------------- I did something very foolish, I using the WINNT4 user manager program I changed the logon time for the user ROOT, know I am locked out and can not login using my usermanager program to make changes to the domain user accounts nor can I join any new workstations to the domain. Can someone tell me how to change sambalogonhours. At the moment it is set to 00000000000. Thanks --MARK _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Dec 14 16:48:13 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 08:48:13 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Really OT: easter egg in OOo In-Reply-To: <43A034BA.9000706@maltzen.net> References: <43A034BA.9000706@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <43A04CCD.1030603@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Petre Scheie wrote: > Okay, this is waaaay off-topic, but I found it amusing and wanted to > share. There's an easter egg in OpenOffice.org 2.0: open a spreadsheet > and enter > > =Game("StarWars") > > in any cell, and it launches a Star Wars game. I did this on my server; > not sure how well it works on a terminal. I read about it at > http://www.eggheaven2000.com/detailed/2735.html > > Petre > I can verify that it works ok on a terminal, at least up to level 2 ;-) -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From timothy.hart at gmail.com Wed Dec 14 16:52:34 2005 From: timothy.hart at gmail.com (Timothy Hart) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 11:52:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Really OT: easter egg in OOo In-Reply-To: <43A04CCD.1030603@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <43A034BA.9000706@maltzen.net> <43A04CCD.1030603@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <464c38cc0512140852u7c11b01cgcbbb258619fc50c6@mail.gmail.com> Hadn't seen that one yet. Cool. I can't get the flight simulator one to work. Not sure if it is in 2.0 or not. Hadn't tried it since 1.1. I think you had to highlight the A2000 row, hold down ctl-alt-p, click on the background color, then hold down ctl-alt-p for a minute or so. I can't get it to work. Cool find. Tim On 12/14/05, Eric Harrison wrote: > > Petre Scheie wrote: > > Okay, this is waaaay off-topic, but I found it amusing and wanted to > > share. There's an easter egg in OpenOffice.org 2.0: open a spreadsheet > > and enter > > > > =Game("StarWars") > > > > in any cell, and it launches a Star Wars game. I did this on my server; > > not sure how well it works on a terminal. I read about it at > > http://www.eggheaven2000.com/detailed/2735.html > > > > Petre > > > > I can verify that it works ok on a terminal, at least up to level 2 ;-) > > -Eric > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pnelson at riverdale.k12.or.us Wed Dec 14 19:18:58 2005 From: pnelson at riverdale.k12.or.us (pnelson) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 11:18:58 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] [Fwd: How to telecast streaming audio from our server] Message-ID: <43A07022.6060700@riverdale.k12.or.us> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: How to telecast streaming audio from our server Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 17:12:45 -0700 From: Jim Christiansen Reply-To: jim at linux.ca To: k12osn-owner at redhat.com Well, we must be on a roll here impressing our non-profit community fm station that my students supply a server and webpage for, because now they have asked if we can offer streaming audio of our hockey games... Oh boy! Is it as simple as pluging in a mic and installing some fandangle new rpm?? The server is located in my classroom, and the broadcast booth is located 2 blocks away at the arena... Maybe an ssh session forwarding audio... I don't know. Right now my student phones into some commercial system that charges $70.00 per hockey game and the system is accessed through a link on a big hockey association website. How can we provide this service through our server and webpage: "Click here to listen to our game:" Thanks for any ideas, Jim -- ====================================================================== Paul Nelson.............................. pnelson at riverdale.k12.or.us Riverdale High.......... 9727 SW Terwilliger Blvd. Portland, OR 97219 (503)892-0722......fax(503)892-0723................ http://pnelson.us From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Wed Dec 14 19:26:23 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:26:23 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] [Fwd: How to telecast streaming audio from our server] In-Reply-To: <43A07022.6060700@riverdale.k12.or.us> References: <43A07022.6060700@riverdale.k12.or.us> Message-ID: I, too, am interested in this information. . . Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Wed, 14 Dec 2005, pnelson wrote: > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: How to telecast streaming audio from our server > Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 17:12:45 -0700 > From: Jim Christiansen > Reply-To: jim at linux.ca > To: k12osn-owner at redhat.com > > > > Well, we must be on a roll here impressing our non-profit community fm > station that my students supply a server and webpage for, because now they > have asked if we can offer streaming audio of our hockey games... Oh boy! > Is it as simple as pluging in a mic and installing some fandangle new rpm?? > > The server is located in my classroom, and the broadcast booth is located 2 > blocks away at the arena... Maybe an ssh session forwarding audio... I > don't know. Right now my student phones into some commercial system that > charges $70.00 per hockey game and the system is accessed through a link on > a big hockey association website. > > How can we provide this service through our server and webpage: "Click here > to listen to our game:" > > Thanks for any ideas, Jim > > > > > > -- > ====================================================================== > Paul Nelson.............................. pnelson at riverdale.k12.or.us > Riverdale High.......... 9727 SW Terwilliger Blvd. Portland, OR 97219 > (503)892-0722......fax(503)892-0723................ http://pnelson.us > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From rmcdaniel at indata.us Wed Dec 14 20:38:57 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:38:57 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap install script error Message-ID: <20051214133857.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.9de3776429.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> I grabbed the 2.0 beta and tried it with the same error. I then reloaded K12LTSP 4.4.1 on the box and tried running the script with the same results. Is there anything that has to be done after a fresh install before running the script?? Thanks, Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 230-0658 cell rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] smbldap install script error > From: "David Trask" > Date: Wed, December 14, 2005 8:13 am > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Cc: k12osn at redhat.com > > Go back to ttp://www.majen.net/smbldap/archive/ and grab 2.0 > beta......run the installer and let me know if it doesn't work...this is > the last one I know I tested....if it works....let me know and we'll fix > the problem in delta...if not....then we need to find out what's wrong on > your end. > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Tuesday, December 13, 2005 at 3:05 PM +0000 wrote: > >While running the smbldap-configure script, I receive this error: > > > >Running smbldap-populate...failure! > >I'm stopping here because this is bad. > >Correct the error by hand and re-run this script. > > > > > >Can anyone point me in the right direction? I am using LTSP 4.4.1 > >distro and running the smbldap-installer-2.0-delta-r4.tgz version. > > > >Thanks, > > > >Ron > > > >Ronald R. McDaniel > >Conecuh County Schools > >(251) 578-7073 x26 > >(251) 230-0658 cell > >rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From nbs at sonic.net Wed Dec 14 20:47:21 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 12:47:21 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Really OT: easter egg in OOo In-Reply-To: <43A034BA.9000706@maltzen.net> References: <43A034BA.9000706@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <20051214204721.GB2780@sonic.net> On Wed, Dec 14, 2005 at 09:05:30AM -0600, Petre Scheie wrote: > in any cell, and it launches a Star Wars game. I did this on my server; > not sure how well it works on a terminal. I read about it at > http://www.eggheaven2000.com/detailed/2735.html So, yeah, OpenOffice.org bloated?... NAAAH! ;) -bill! From ccraig at safedesksolutions.com Wed Dec 14 21:18:05 2005 From: ccraig at safedesksolutions.com (Curt Craig) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:18:05 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] FYI article - MIT Picks Maker of $100 Laptop Message-ID: <200512141318.05698.ccraig@safedesksolutions.com> http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,123921,00.asp# -- Curt Craig From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Wed Dec 14 21:24:52 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:24:52 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] FYI article - MIT Picks Maker of $100 Laptop In-Reply-To: <200512141318.05698.ccraig@safedesksolutions.com> References: <200512141318.05698.ccraig@safedesksolutions.com> Message-ID: >From another article today, same topic: "Partly because of this, some entrepreneurs, such as India's Rajesh Jain, and some of India's leading academics have decided to tackle the problem by deploying thin clients. Other companies are promoting full-fledged, full-price computers that can be shared by communities. To save energy, thin clients and PCs can run on car batteries or solar panels." I remain sceptical as well. You know how hard it is to keep computers in a lab working well and cared for. I can't imagine putting a laptop in the hands of a child with little computer experience and having it be cared for. Ultimately, will every child have a laptop in this world? I would imagine so (or at least in more advanced societies). But seems like that is something that would have to be progressed toward, and just giving them access to a computer in an environment where they can be taught and the computers cared for would be much more significant. -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.k12computers.com www.technologyrescue.com From accessys at smart.net Wed Dec 14 21:31:59 2005 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:31:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] FYI article - MIT Picks Maker of $100 Laptop In-Reply-To: References: <200512141318.05698.ccraig@safedesksolutions.com> Message-ID: I suspect you are seriously underestimating the children of the world... this is a common mistake made by many adults. Bob On Wed, 14 Dec 2005, Steve Hargadon wrote: > >From another article today, same topic: > > "Partly because of this, some entrepreneurs, such as India's Rajesh > Jain, and some of India's leading academics have decided to tackle the > problem by deploying thin clients. Other companies are promoting > full-fledged, full-price computers that can be shared by communities. > To save energy, thin clients and PCs can run on car batteries or solar > panels." > > I remain sceptical as well. You know how hard it is to keep computers > in a lab working well and cared for. I can't imagine putting a laptop > in the hands of a child with little computer experience and having it > be cared for. Ultimately, will every child have a laptop in this > world? I would imagine so (or at least in more advanced societies). > But seems like that is something that would have to be progressed > toward, and just giving them access to a computer in an environment > where they can be taught and the computers cared for would be much > more significant. > > -- > Steve Hargadon > 916-899-1400 direct > www.k12computers.com > www.technologyrescue.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From tom.hoffman at gmail.com Wed Dec 14 21:33:12 2005 From: tom.hoffman at gmail.com (Tom Hoffman) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:33:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] FYI article - MIT Picks Maker of $100 Laptop In-Reply-To: References: <200512141318.05698.ccraig@safedesksolutions.com> Message-ID: <92de6c880512141333o1c01e065ofaac5d2addcae467@mail.gmail.com> On 12/14/05, Steve Hargadon wrote: > I remain sceptical as well. You know how hard it is to keep computers > in a lab working well and cared for. I can't imagine putting a laptop > in the hands of a child with little computer experience and having it > be cared for. Ultimately, will every child have a laptop in this > world? I would imagine so (or at least in more advanced societies). > But seems like that is something that would have to be progressed > toward, and just giving them access to a computer in an environment > where they can be taught and the computers cared for would be much > more significant. On the other hand, having tried to support laptops in school myself, I can see that there's tons of room for improvement over the standard laptop design. Use a beefy hinge, a power adapter reinforced by nylon webbing (i.e., the shoulder strap), batteries I can replace with standard C-cells, and the ability to easily mix and match cpu's and displays from broken machines, and you'll mitigate a lot of the current points of failure on laptops for kids. --Tom From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Wed Dec 14 21:36:15 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:36:15 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] FYI article - MIT Picks Maker of $100 Laptop In-Reply-To: References: <200512141318.05698.ccraig@safedesksolutions.com> Message-ID: On 12/14/05, Access Systems wrote: > > I suspect you are seriously underestimating the children of the world... > this is a common mistake made by many adults. > > Bob > :) No, I just have four children of my own! And since I sell computers to schools, I hear all the horror stories from their labs... -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.k12computers.com www.technologyrescue.com From ramonklown at pop.com.br Wed Dec 14 22:30:21 2005 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 20:30:21 -0200 (BRST) Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp with xnest doing multiterminal on clients Message-ID: <60139.200.207.125.12.1134599421.squirrel@popmail7.pop.com.br> Has anybody done something like this or seen documentation on it? Thanks, Ramon From ascensiontech at gmail.com Wed Dec 14 23:40:35 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (fsosa) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:40:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] 64bit ISOs, almost beta-ready In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9bd317560512141540u131a6d45oe81fb6a6653cebc1@mail.gmail.com> Hey Eric, Man, I wish I had more time to help test. I think that will have to wait for vacation. Not sure if the problems I have now would have made it into your new version. But, if there's a possibility of that, I did have problems with the acroread plugin making firefox *poof*. And opening the Open File applet on most of kde-edu apps froze the whole server. Keep up the good work! Peter On 12/13/05, Eric Harrison wrote: > > After a couple more days of hacking, I have a new set of test 4.2.2EL 64bit > ISOs ready to play with. No real dire warnings this time, besides the > fact that these have seen very little testing. But do note that this > is pre-beta software, don't use it on a production system, etc, etc. > > After a first-pass, it looks like I have all of the big & obvious bugs > shaken out. Now I'm off to look for the small and non-obvious bugs ;-) > > If you would like to help test, here are the shiny new ISOs: > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.2EL-64bit/iso/ > > and rsync this time as well... > > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-4.2.2-64bit-test/iso/ . > > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Thu Dec 15 00:15:26 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 19:15:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] FYI article - MIT Picks Maker of $100 Laptop In-Reply-To: References: <200512141318.05698.ccraig@safedesksolutions.com> < > < > Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, December 14, 2005 at 4:36 PM +0000 wrote: >> >> I suspect you are seriously underestimating the children of the world... >> this is a common mistake made by many adults. >> >> Bob >> > >:) No, I just have four children of my own! And since I sell >computers to schools, I hear all the horror stories from their labs... Every single 7th and 8th grader in Maine has one....yes, there is failure....not much of it from abuse....just wear and tear. Laptop manufacturers need to design laptops to withstand the rigors of children's lives. Life in a bookbag....life in a locker...etc. The biggest point of failure? The video cable in the hinges. Laptops need to be more modular in design with more easily replaceable parts. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From rusek at gybon.cz Thu Dec 15 00:11:33 2005 From: rusek at gybon.cz (Ondrej Rusek) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 01:11:33 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] thin client t5125 Message-ID: <43A0B4B5.1010506@gybon.cz> Hi, I have new t5125 clients in our school with PXE-booting from a Fedora Core 3 server with LTSP. The terminal boots up fine, detects the hardware, loads via graphics driver, and I can login, but when I start an application f.ex. a terminal session, and I drag the window around, I get a thin horizontal line of "noise" on the screen. If I keep dragging the window the noise line gets thicker and finally the terminal dies - stops responding to keyboard and mouse. Is there any way of making the t5125 work properly with the via driver? -- with regards -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Ondrej Rusek GYmnazium BOzeny Nemcove, Hradec Kralove, Czech rusek at gybon.cz, http://www.gybon.cz/~rusek ICQ: 150366991, IRC: irc.freenode.net #edunix-cz -------------------------------------------------- X-terminals in school - http://www.gybon.cz/edunix =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- S pozdravem -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Ondrej Rusek GYmnazium BOzeny Nemcove, Hradec Kralove, Czech rusek at gybon.cz, http://www.gybon.cz/~rusek ICQ: 150366991, IRC: irc.freenode.net #edunix-cz -------------------------------------------------- X-terminals in school - http://www.gybon.cz/edunix =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Thu Dec 15 00:42:46 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:42:46 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] FYI article - MIT Picks Maker of $100 Laptop In-Reply-To: References: <200512141318.05698.ccraig@safedesksolutions.com> Message-ID: On 12/14/05, David Trask wrote: > Every single 7th and 8th grader in Maine has one....yes, there is > failure....not much of it from abuse....just wear and tear. I stand corrected. :) -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.k12computers.com www.technologyrescue.com From jam at mcquil.com Thu Dec 15 00:52:08 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 19:52:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] thin client t5125 In-Reply-To: <43A0B4B5.1010506@gybon.cz> References: <43A0B4B5.1010506@gybon.cz> Message-ID: <43A0BE38.7060900@McQuil.com> Somebody asked that same question last week. I don't remember if it was on the k12osn list or the ltsp-discuss list. The problem is the X.org xserver doesn't automatically detect the correct amount of video ram. The solution is to add X_VIDEORAM = 4096 to the lts.conf file. The problem is I don't remember the exact value you need to plug in there. 4096 might work, or you could try 3072 or some other value. I tried searching the k12osn and ltsp-discuss archives, but couldn't find the answer. If you get it working, please report back, so we can update the ltsp wiki for others. Thanks, Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org Ondrej Rusek wrote: > Hi, > I have new t5125 clients in our school with PXE-booting from a Fedora > Core 3 server with LTSP. > The terminal boots up fine, detects the hardware, loads via graphics > driver, and I can login, but when I start an application f.ex. a > terminal session, and I drag the window around, I get a thin > horizontal line of "noise" on the screen. If I keep dragging the > window the noise line gets thicker and finally the terminal dies - > stops responding to keyboard and mouse. > > Is there any way of making the t5125 work properly with the via driver? From dtrask at vcsvikings.org Thu Dec 15 02:33:54 2005 From: dtrask at vcsvikings.org (David Trask) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 21:33:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap install script error In-Reply-To: <20051214133857.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.9de3776429.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> References: <20051214133857.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.9de3776429.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: First, go here for latest docs....(may be some small things missing, but at least you'll get most of it) http://www.vcsvikings.org/docuwiki/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/ Next....let me see or know exactly what you entered for each step of the script. Try using an easy password for now....you may encounter issues if you use a long domain name....try something short like school.net Remember...we're trying to get it working first...then we can work backward. Send a screenshot if you can...or capture the text of the script. "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, December 14, 2005 at 3:38 PM +0000 wrote: >I grabbed the 2.0 beta and tried it with the same error. I then >reloaded K12LTSP 4.4.1 on the box and tried running the script with the >same results. Is there anything that has to be done after a fresh >install before running the script?? > > >Thanks, > >Ron > > >Ronald R. McDaniel >Conecuh County Schools >(251) 578-7073 x26 >(251) 230-0658 cell >rmcdaniel at indata.us > > >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] smbldap install script error >> From: "David Trask" >> Date: Wed, December 14, 2005 8:13 am >> To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." >> >> Cc: k12osn at redhat.com >> >> Go back to ttp://www.majen.net/smbldap/archive/ and grab 2.0 >> beta......run the installer and let me know if it doesn't work...this is >> the last one I know I tested....if it works....let me know and we'll fix >> the problem in delta...if not....then we need to find out what's wrong >on >> your end. >> >> "Support list for opensource software in schools." >on >> Tuesday, December 13, 2005 at 3:05 PM +0000 wrote: >> >While running the smbldap-configure script, I receive this error: >> > >> >Running smbldap-populate...failure! >> >I'm stopping here because this is bad. >> >Correct the error by hand and re-run this script. >> > >> > >> >Can anyone point me in the right direction? I am using LTSP 4.4.1 >> >distro and running the smbldap-installer-2.0-delta-r4.tgz version. >> > >> >Thanks, >> > >> >Ron >> > >> >Ronald R. McDaniel >> >Conecuh County Schools >> >(251) 578-7073 x26 >> >(251) 230-0658 cell >> >rmcdaniel at indata.us >> > >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >K12OSN mailing list >> >K12OSN at redhat.com >> >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> >For more info see >> >> >> >> David N. Trask >> Technology Teacher/Coordinator >> Vassalboro Community School >> dtrask at vcsvikings.org >> (207)923-3100 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcsvikings.org (207)923-3100 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Dec 15 04:43:11 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 20:43:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] 64bit ISOs, almost beta-ready In-Reply-To: <9bd317560512141540u131a6d45oe81fb6a6653cebc1@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560512141540u131a6d45oe81fb6a6653cebc1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 14 Dec 2005, fsosa wrote: > Hey Eric, > Man, I wish I had more time to help test. I think that will have to > wait for vacation. Not sure if the problems I have now would have > made it into your new version. But, if there's a possibility of that, > I did have problems with the acroread plugin making firefox *poof*. > And opening the Open File applet on most of kde-edu apps froze the > whole server. > > Keep up the good work! I just loaded every single kdeedu app and tested Open File. No crashes. The firefox/acroread problem can be fixed by running "setarch i386" before starting firefox. I'll rebuild the firefox package to do that auto-magically, just in case other plugins get confused about which arch they are running on vs the arch that firefox was built against. Thanks for the bug reports, I GREATLY APPRECIATE IT! -Eric > Peter > > On 12/13/05, Eric Harrison wrote: >> >> After a couple more days of hacking, I have a new set of test 4.2.2EL 64bit >> ISOs ready to play with. No real dire warnings this time, besides the >> fact that these have seen very little testing. But do note that this >> is pre-beta software, don't use it on a production system, etc, etc. >> >> After a first-pass, it looks like I have all of the big & obvious bugs >> shaken out. Now I'm off to look for the small and non-obvious bugs ;-) >> >> If you would like to help test, here are the shiny new ISOs: >> >> ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.2EL-64bit/iso/ >> >> and rsync this time as well... >> >> rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-4.2.2-64bit-test/iso/ . >> >> >> -Eric >> From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Thu Dec 15 10:12:29 2005 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:12:29 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] FYI article - MIT Picks Maker of $100 Laptop In-Reply-To: <92de6c880512141333o1c01e065ofaac5d2addcae467@mail.gmail.com> References: <200512141318.05698.ccraig@safedesksolutions.com> <92de6c880512141333o1c01e065ofaac5d2addcae467@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200512151012.30029.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> On Wednesday 14 Dec 2005 21:33, Tom Hoffman wrote: > > On the other hand, having tried to support laptops in school myself, I > can see that there's tons of room for improvement over the standard > laptop design. Use a beefy hinge, a power adapter reinforced by nylon > webbing (i.e., the shoulder strap), batteries I can replace with > standard C-cells, and the ability to easily mix and match cpu's and > displays from broken machines, and you'll mitigate a lot of the > current points of failure on laptops for kids. Maybe kids should use something like this laptop http://www.argoncorp.com/201lt.html :-) - I'm guessing it's pretty pricey though. Our school had a load of laptops once but they all very quickly died. The failures were battery (from always being plugged in), keyboards (keys coming off) and the power lead failing close to the jack. Laptaps are generally OK if they are in the hands of only one user. -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From trond at maehlum.net Thu Dec 15 10:37:28 2005 From: trond at maehlum.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_M=E6hlum?=) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:37:28 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Local USB show 0 byte file In-Reply-To: References: <9bd317560512141540u131a6d45oe81fb6a6653cebc1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43A14768.7020509@maehlum.net> I am having a bit of trouble with a local usb multicardreader. When I connect the cardreader, with a 128MB CF card, it shows up as a zero byte file. When I connect it to my laptop, it shows as a 128M usb stick. I know that this is mentioned as a bug in the samba approach to local devices. Is there a workaround or a fix for this issue? I see that the new ltspfs should take care of this problem. Is ltspfs ready and working? If that is the only solution to this problem, I must concider switching to ltspfs. I had hoped to avoid this until summer... Best Regards Trond Maehlum From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 15 11:37:14 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 03:37:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] [Fwd: How to telecast streaming audio from our server] In-Reply-To: <43A07022.6060700@riverdale.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <20051215113714.26078.qmail@web32804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I set up streaming audio in my home last year using icecast2 and ices2. Honestly, I forget most of the details. You'll be streaming in ogg format, most likely. For listeners with Windows, I've found the easiest thing to do is tell them to download Winamp (not the light version) for free -- it handles *.ogg files natively and has no problem w/ streaming audio. Winamp looks just like xmms, so you could have a help page on your website that takes care of both of them. Basically, all folks need to do is click the "add url" button and put in your website and port # -- something like: http://my.regular.website/hockey:8000 The standard configuration is to stream from a pre-configured playlist, or from the audio input of your soundcard. Sounds like you've got an extra complication in your setup. You'll have to get the audio from the broadcast room to your server room somehow. I'll have to think about that one. Maybe just stream from the broadcast room to the server room, and then rebroadcast from the server room to the outside world. I never broadcasted to the internet -- I used mine so during parties I could turn on any computer in the house (all hooked to stereos) and play the same music that was playing in all the other rooms. It was pretty cool, but I recently switched distributions and wiped out all my config files for that setup. -Rob --- pnelson wrote: > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: How to telecast streaming audio from our > server > Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 17:12:45 -0700 > From: Jim Christiansen > Reply-To: jim at linux.ca > To: k12osn-owner at redhat.com > > > > Well, we must be on a roll here impressing our > non-profit community fm > station that my students supply a server and webpage > for, because now they > have asked if we can offer streaming audio of our > hockey games... Oh boy! > Is it as simple as pluging in a mic and installing > some fandangle new rpm?? > > The server is located in my classroom, and the > broadcast booth is located 2 > blocks away at the arena... Maybe an ssh session > forwarding audio... I > don't know. Right now my student phones into some > commercial system that > charges $70.00 per hockey game and the system is > accessed through a link on > a big hockey association website. > > How can we provide this service through our server > and webpage: "Click here > to listen to our game:" > > Thanks for any ideas, Jim > > > > > > -- > ====================================================================== > Paul Nelson.............................. > pnelson at riverdale.k12.or.us > Riverdale High.......... 9727 SW Terwilliger Blvd. > Portland, OR 97219 > (503)892-0722......fax(503)892-0723................ > http://pnelson.us > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Dec 15 11:41:38 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:41:38 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap install script error Message-ID: <200512151343.jBFDhBH05629@downeast.net> The log file shuold telll you quite a bit..but you might set up a time to work the prob over xchat with moquist dtrask and ill throw in my .01 on #ltsp..chuck > First, go here for latest docs....(may be some small things missing, but > at least you'll get most of it) > http://www.vcsvikings.org/docuwiki/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/ > > Next....let me see or know exactly what you entered for each step of the > script. Try using an easy password for now....you may encounter issues if > you use a long domain name....try something short like school.net > Remember...we're trying to get it working first...then we can work > backward. > > Send a screenshot if you can...or capture the text of the script. > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Wednesday, December 14, 2005 at 3:38 PM +0000 wrote: > >I grabbed the 2.0 beta and tried it with the same error. I then > >reloaded K12LTSP 4.4.1 on the box and tried running the script with the > >same results. Is there anything that has to be done after a fresh > >install before running the script?? > > > > > >Thanks, > > > >Ron > > > > > >Ronald R. McDaniel > >Conecuh County Schools > >(251) 578-7073 x26 > >(251) 230-0658 cell > >rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > > > >> -------- Original Message -------- > >> Subject: Re: [K12OSN] smbldap install script error > >> From: "David Trask" > >> Date: Wed, December 14, 2005 8:13 am > >> To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > >> > >> Cc: k12osn at redhat.com > >> > >> Go back to ttp://www.majen.net/smbldap/archive/ and grab 2.0 > >> beta......run the installer and let me know if it doesn't work...this is > >> the last one I know I tested....if it works....let me know and we'll fix > >> the problem in delta...if not....then we need to find out what's wrong > >on > >> your end. > >> > >> "Support list for opensource software in schools." > >on > >> Tuesday, December 13, 2005 at 3:05 PM +0000 wrote: > >> >While running the smbldap-configure script, I receive this error: > >> > > >> >Running smbldap-populate...failure! > >> >I'm stopping here because this is bad. > >> >Correct the error by hand and re-run this script. > >> > > >> > > >> >Can anyone point me in the right direction? I am using LTSP 4.4.1 > >> >distro and running the smbldap-installer-2.0-delta-r4.tgz version. > >> > > >> >Thanks, > >> > > >> >Ron > >> > > >> >Ronald R. McDaniel > >> >Conecuh County Schools > >> >(251) 578-7073 x26 > >> >(251) 230-0658 cell > >> >rmcdaniel at indata.us > >> > > >> > > >> >_______________________________________________ > >> >K12OSN mailing list > >> >K12OSN at redhat.com > >> >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> >For more info see > >> > >> > >> > >> David N. Trask > >> Technology Teacher/Coordinator > >> Vassalboro Community School > >> dtrask at vcsvikings.org > >> (207)923-3100 > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcsvikings.org > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From rusek at gybon.cz Thu Dec 15 12:52:39 2005 From: rusek at gybon.cz (Rusek Ondrej) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:52:39 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] thin client t5125 In-Reply-To: <43A0BE38.7060900@McQuil.com> References: <43A0B4B5.1010506@gybon.cz> <43A0BE38.7060900@McQuil.com> Message-ID: <43A16717.8090300@gybon.cz> Jim McQuillan napsal(a): > The problem is the X.org xserver doesn't automatically detect the > correct amount of video ram. > > The solution is to add > > X_VIDEORAM = 4096 > > to the lts.conf file. > > The problem is I don't remember the exact value you need to plug in > there. 4096 might work, or you could try 3072 or some other value. I > tried searching the k12osn and ltsp-discuss archives, but couldn't find > the answer. If you get it working, please report back, so we can update > the ltsp wiki for others. Yes! This work fine. I set X_VIDEORAM = 16386 in my lts.conf, because HP t5125 have 16MB RAM like video memory. Thanks -- with regards -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Ondrej Rusek GYmnazium BOzeny Nemcove, Hradec Kralove, Czech rusek at gybon.cz, http://www.gybon.cz/~rusek ICQ: 150366991, IRC: irc.freenode.net #edunix-cz -------------------------------------------------- X-terminals in school - http://www.gybon.cz/edunix =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Thu Dec 15 13:06:32 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 07:06:32 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Using ibooks in conjunction with k12LTSP/debianedu servers Message-ID: <3C8BA4FE-004F-4AB7-B508-AF1F9DC37997@mindfirestudios.com> The school I work for is in the process of planning a serious technology overhaul. Given the recommendations of the independent consultant the board hired I am preparing to propose getting iBooks for the older students and the teaching staff, setting up the current lab of very old PIII dells using K12LTSP (or maybe the debianedu skolelinux distro??) for the K-4 students, and upgrading our current authentication/file/mail/web server (current running K12LTSP) to improve storage space and redundancy, and allow it to rackmount near the DSL modem so we can use it to proxy our network traffic as well. For the existing staff winboxes and the lab, samba, NIS, and NFS shares are/would be sufficient for providing centralized authentication and file shares. The big hang-up that I'm having right now is how I will get the laptops to authenticate and use network storage (so they can be backed up) when they are at school, while still allowing them to function when the older students and the teachers take them home. Any bright ideas on how to handle this. (I'm fairly certain that I can get LDAP or the new directory server setup, the question is how to handle the issue of different authentication/storage at different locations) From moquist at majen.net Thu Dec 15 13:52:45 2005 From: moquist at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 08:52:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap install script error more info (rmcdaniel@indata.us) In-Reply-To: <20051214150552.3B8C773AE9@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20051214150552.3B8C773AE9@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20051215135245.GA7824@majen.net> Hi rmcdaniel, If you're still stuck on Samba/LDAP, could you please send me your entire smbldap-install.log and smbldap-configure.log files? Those will help me try to make a guess about what may be going on on your system. It looks like slapd didn't successfully start, so if you can please run '/etc/init.d/slapd restart' and send me your /var/log/messages file as well. Thanks, Matt > Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 13:12:10 -0700 > From: rmcdaniel at indata.us > Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap install script error more info > > This is all of the info out of the .log file > > Running smbldap-populate...erreur LDAP: Can't contact master ldap server > (IO::Socket::INET: connect: Connection refused) at > /opt/IDEALX/sbin//smbldap_tools.pm line 270. > Populating LDAP directory for domain EES > (S-1-5-21-3024135890-955416780-471706211) > (using builtin directory structure) > > failure! > I'm stopping here because this is bad. > Correct the error by hand and re-run this script. > > > > Thanks, > > Ron > > > > Ronald R. McDaniel > Conecuh County Schools > (251) 578-7073 x26 > (251) 230-0658 cell > rmcdaniel at indata.us > > > ------------------------------ > Message: 8 > Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 13:05:56 -0700 > From: rmcdaniel at indata.us > Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap install script error > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Message-ID: > <20051213130556.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.2e193c2e88.wbe at email.email.secureserver.net> > > Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII > > While running the smbldap-configure script, I receive this error: > > Running smbldap-populate...failure! > I'm stopping here because this is bad. > Correct the error by hand and re-run this script. > > > Can anyone point me in the right direction? I am using LTSP 4.4.1 > distro and running the smbldap-installer-2.0-delta-r4.tgz version. > > Thanks, > > Ron > > Ronald R. McDaniel > Conecuh County Schools > (251) 578-7073 x26 > (251) 230-0658 cell > rmcdaniel at indata.us > -- Open Source Software Engineering Consultant http://majen.net/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From les at futuresource.com Thu Dec 15 14:15:07 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 08:15:07 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] [Fwd: How to telecast streaming audio from our server] In-Reply-To: <20051215113714.26078.qmail@web32804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051215113714.26078.qmail@web32804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1134656107.23752.12.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2005-12-15 at 05:37, Rob Owens wrote: > The standard configuration is to stream from a > pre-configured playlist, or from the audio input of > your soundcard. Sounds like you've got an extra > complication in your setup. You'll have to get the > audio from the broadcast room to your server room > somehow. I'll have to think about that one. Maybe > just stream from the broadcast room to the server > room, and then rebroadcast from the server room to the > outside world. I don't know of any packages to do it, but it seems like you should be able to hook a voice-over-ip endpoint into the stream so a phone call would work as before. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Dec 15 14:15:45 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 08:15:45 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Using ibooks in conjunction with k12LTSP/debianedu servers In-Reply-To: <3C8BA4FE-004F-4AB7-B508-AF1F9DC37997@mindfirestudios.com> References: <3C8BA4FE-004F-4AB7-B508-AF1F9DC37997@mindfirestudios.com> Message-ID: <20051215140747.M99499@winonacotter.org> > centralized authentication and file shares. The big hang-up that > I'm having right now is how I will get the laptops to authenticate > and use network storage (so they can be backed up) when they are at > school, while still allowing them to function when the older > students and the teachers take them home. Any bright ideas on how > to handle this. > (I'm fairly certain that I can get LDAP or the new directory server > setup, the question is how to handle the issue of different > authentication/storage at different locations) This is a tough one with OSX. I tried to get this figured out over the summer. I have a tutorial on how to authenticate OSX to SAMBA/LDAP for authentication and automatic nfs mounted home folders mounted from the server. The hang up that shut me down was the lack of file extensions. I found this in the last days before going live and it stopped me in my tracks. I have not revisited this since. What I found was when I NFS mounted a drive to OSX it was unable to pull the proper info to determine file types without extensions. And thanks to years of OS9 and prior none of the staff documents had extensions. All files just show up with terminal icons and left the staff guessing what they had originally created it in. I didn't dare set the staff out trying extensions to get the files to open. Second problem you have is the iBooks and them going offsite. I did not find a way to "sync" a local home folder with one on the server. My thought was to set these up with local accounts and local home folders (like normal) but then create a logoff script that would rsync the local home folder with the folder on the server, and run the same script on login. This would work like roaming profiles syncing on Windows and should allow things to function when offsite while still appearing to work like the other machines. I never got to writing the scripts due to the extension problem. But I think OSX has built in sections for running scripts on logon/logoff so it should be fairly simple. By the way the tutorial works for full roaming profiles on OSX. Hope that helps. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From JRuff at Sihope.com Thu Dec 15 14:21:43 2005 From: JRuff at Sihope.com (John G. Ruff) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 08:21:43 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] thin client t5125 In-Reply-To: <43A16717.8090300@gybon.cz> References: <43A0B4B5.1010506@gybon.cz> <43A0BE38.7060900@McQuil.com> <43A16717.8090300@gybon.cz> Message-ID: <1134656503.4275.1.camel@o1008.penguinzilla> Actually, 16 * 1024 = 16384 :-) jr On Thu, 2005-12-15 at 13:52 +0100, Rusek Ondrej wrote: > Jim McQuillan napsal(a): > > The problem is the X.org xserver doesn't automatically detect the > > correct amount of video ram. > > > > The solution is to add > > > > X_VIDEORAM = 4096 > > > > to the lts.conf file. > > > > The problem is I don't remember the exact value you need to plug in > > there. 4096 might work, or you could try 3072 or some other value. I > > tried searching the k12osn and ltsp-discuss archives, but couldn't find > > the answer. If you get it working, please report back, so we can update > > the ltsp wiki for others. > > Yes! This work fine. I set > > X_VIDEORAM = 16386 > > in my lts.conf, because HP t5125 have 16MB RAM like video memory. > > Thanks From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 15 14:34:27 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 06:34:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] ROOT user is lockout! In-Reply-To: <1134568131.18433.16.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <20051215143427.6654.qmail@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> you mean there's something that Knoppix can't do!?! --- Les Mikesell wrote: > I don't think knoppix understands LVM2 yet and the > current > k12 versions will install on LVM2 by default. > However, > you can boot your k12ltsp install CD with 'linux > rescue' > at the boot prompt and do the same things. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 15 14:48:35 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 06:48:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Using ibooks in conjunction with k12LTSP/debianedu servers In-Reply-To: <3C8BA4FE-004F-4AB7-B508-AF1F9DC37997@mindfirestudios.com> Message-ID: <20051215144835.7953.qmail@web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I've never tried it, but there's a new utility called tsync which is supposed to keep two directories syncronized automatically, even when there is only intermittent network connectivity. It was developed during Google's "summer of code". -Rob --- Burke Almquist wrote: > The school I work for is in the process of planning > a serious > technology overhaul. Given the recommendations of > the independent > consultant the board hired I am preparing to propose > getting iBooks > for the older students and the teaching staff, > setting up the current > lab of very old PIII dells using K12LTSP (or maybe > the debianedu > skolelinux distro??) for the K-4 students, and > upgrading our current > authentication/file/mail/web server (current running > K12LTSP) to > improve storage space and redundancy, and allow it > to rackmount near > the DSL modem so we can use it to proxy our network > traffic as well. > For the existing staff winboxes and the lab, > samba, NIS, and NFS > shares are/would be sufficient for providing > centralized > authentication and file shares. The big hang-up that > I'm having right > now is how I will get the laptops to authenticate > and use network > storage (so they can be backed up) when they are at > school, while > still allowing them to function when the older > students and the > teachers take them home. Any bright ideas on how to > handle this. > (I'm fairly certain that I can get LDAP or the new > directory server > setup, the question is how to handle the issue of > different > authentication/storage at different locations) > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org Thu Dec 15 16:19:54 2005 From: aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org (aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:19:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Really OT: easter egg in OOo In-Reply-To: <20051214204721.GB2780@sonic.net> Message-ID: > > http://www.eggheaven2000.com/detailed/2735.html > So, yeah, OpenOffice.org bloated?... NAAAH! > -bill! Does anyone know if this easter egg game was created using OOo tools ? 2d video game creation anyone ? thanks, Tom Ventresco From haysja at sages.us Thu Dec 15 16:39:10 2005 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:39:10 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] SATA and K12LTSP Message-ID: <43A19C2E.6050802@sages.us> A friend who uses K12LTSP just bought a new server for his K12LTSP lab that has SATA drives. He is trying to install K12LTSP 4.4.1 and it will not install on the SATA drives. Does K12LTSP "play nice" with SATA? Does he need a newer version. -- -------------------------------------------------------- Jim Hays, Technology Coordinator Monticello CUSD#25 #2 Sage Drive Monticello, IL 61856 (217) 762-8511 ext 1208 haysja at sages.us -------------------------------------------------------- From bthomas at psysolutions.com Thu Dec 15 16:46:29 2005 From: bthomas at psysolutions.com (Brad Thomas) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:46:29 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] SATA and K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <43A19C2E.6050802@sages.us> References: <43A19C2E.6050802@sages.us> Message-ID: <43A19DE5.1060302@psysolutions.com> It installed fine on Dimension 3100 that I'm using as a "server". It has a SATA drive. What is the exact problem your friend is having? Jim Hays wrote: > A friend who uses K12LTSP just bought a new server for his K12LTSP lab > that has SATA drives. He is trying to install K12LTSP 4.4.1 and it > will not install on the SATA drives. > > Does K12LTSP "play nice" with SATA? Does he need a newer version. > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Dec 15 16:57:49 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 08:57:49 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] SATA and K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <43A19C2E.6050802@sages.us> References: <43A19C2E.6050802@sages.us> Message-ID: <43A1A08D.1060907@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Jim Hays wrote: > A friend who uses K12LTSP just bought a new server for his K12LTSP lab > that has SATA drives. He is trying to install K12LTSP 4.4.1 and it will > not install on the SATA drives. > > Does K12LTSP "play nice" with SATA? Does he need a newer version. > A some-what common problem is "RAID" turned on in the bios on a "Fake-RAID" controller (i.e. a RAID controller that requires special software drivers to work). Check the system bios and/or the SATA controller bios (if it has one) to make sure that any RAID settings are disabled. If it happens to be a "real" hardware RAID controller, sometimes you have to create the RAID volumes and initialize them before the operating system can see the drives. If neither of those suggestions do the trick, it would be helpful if we knew the make/model of the SATA controller (and/or the make/model of the server) -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 15 16:58:51 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 08:58:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] [Fwd: How to telecast streaming audio from our server] In-Reply-To: <1134656107.23752.12.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <20051215165851.45538.qmail@web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I just read up a bit on the ices and icecast configuration. Basically, ices takes an analog audio stream or a playlist of pre-recorded files and converts it to something that is stream-able. Icecast does the streaming and allows a certain number of clients to connect. Icecast can also act as a relay, sending its output to other streaming servers. So you could stream from the broadcast room using a laptop and a low-end internet connection, but firewall off all clients except for your main server. The main server could then receive the broadcast from the laptop, and re-stream it to the internet at large. I can't really help much in configuring this, but it seems from all the documentation I've read that it is designed to handle this. -Rob --- Les Mikesell wrote: > On Thu, 2005-12-15 at 05:37, Rob Owens wrote: > > > The standard configuration is to stream from a > > pre-configured playlist, or from the audio input > of > > your soundcard. Sounds like you've got an extra > > complication in your setup. You'll have to get > the > > audio from the broadcast room to your server room > > somehow. I'll have to think about that one. > Maybe > > just stream from the broadcast room to the server > > room, and then rebroadcast from the server room to > the > > outside world. > > I don't know of any packages to do it, but it seems > like you should be able to hook a voice-over-ip > endpoint into the stream so a phone call would work > as before. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From shahms at shahms.com Thu Dec 15 17:06:24 2005 From: shahms at shahms.com (Shahms King) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:06:24 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] SATA and K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <43A1A08D.1060907@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <43A19C2E.6050802@sages.us> <43A1A08D.1060907@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <43A1A290.5040906@shahms.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Eric Harrison wrote: > Jim Hays wrote: > >> A friend who uses K12LTSP just bought a new server for his K12LTSP lab >> that has SATA drives. He is trying to install K12LTSP 4.4.1 and it will >> not install on the SATA drives. >> >> Does K12LTSP "play nice" with SATA? Does he need a newer version. >> > > A some-what common problem is "RAID" turned on in the bios on a > "Fake-RAID" controller (i.e. a RAID controller that requires special > software drivers to work). > > Check the system bios and/or the SATA controller bios (if it has one) to > make sure that any RAID settings are disabled. > > > If it happens to be a "real" hardware RAID controller, sometimes you > have to create the RAID volumes and initialize them before the operating > system can see the drives. > > > If neither of those suggestions do the trick, it would be helpful if we > knew the make/model of the SATA controller (and/or the make/model of the > server) > > > -Eric Additionally, there are some known installation problems with certain SATA controllers and FC4 (on which K12LTSP 4.4.1 is based), so knowning which controller he has would be useful. Look through the bugs at the link below and see if any applies to your hardware: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/buglist.cgi?bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=MODIFIED&bug_status=NEEDINFO&bug_status=REOPENED&field0-0-0=product&type0-0-0=substring&value0-0-0=sata&field0-0-1=component&type0-0-1=substring&value0-0-1=sata&field0-0-2=short_desc&type0-0-2=substring&value0-0-2=sata&field0-0-3=status_whiteboard&type0-0-3=substring&value0-0-3=sata&field1-0-0=product&type1-0-0=substring&value1-0-0=install&field1-0-1=component&type1-0-1=substring&value1-0-1=install&field1-0-2=short_desc&type1-0-2=substring&value1-0-2=install&field1-0-3=status_whiteboard&type1-0-3=substring&value1-0-3=install As a side note, I have an SATA harddrive at home that wasn't found by the default installer but after working some magic (which, sadly, I no longer remember) I got things installed and running. I should note that the installer doesn't have all of the drivers that the final install does, so difficulty during install doesn't necessarily mean the drive(s) won't work once installed. - -- Shahms E. King Multnomah ESD Public Key: http://shahms.mesd.k12.or.us/~sking/shahms.asc Fingerprint: 1612 054B CE92 8770 F1EA AB1B FEAB 3636 45B2 D75B -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDoaKQ/qs2NkWy11sRAlmfAKCSzzfaxdm69d4/DfEoEQzaDi4MiwCfRD/N vo6W2aopfk7/u8LkAIMVIt0= =kzuA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From haysja at sages.us Thu Dec 15 17:11:38 2005 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:11:38 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] SATA and K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <43A1A290.5040906@shahms.com> References: <43A19C2E.6050802@sages.us> <43A1A08D.1060907@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <43A1A290.5040906@shahms.com> Message-ID: <43A1A3CA.2040402@sages.us> Thanks, Shahms, Eric, and Brad. I have forwarded your responses to Rich. I hope that he can solve his problem with the information you have provided. Excellent info, Thanks again. Shahms King wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >Eric Harrison wrote: > > >>Jim Hays wrote: >> >> >> >>>A friend who uses K12LTSP just bought a new server for his K12LTSP lab >>>that has SATA drives. He is trying to install K12LTSP 4.4.1 and it will >>>not install on the SATA drives. >>> >>>Does K12LTSP "play nice" with SATA? Does he need a newer version. >>> >>> >>> >>A some-what common problem is "RAID" turned on in the bios on a >>"Fake-RAID" controller (i.e. a RAID controller that requires special >>software drivers to work). >> >>Check the system bios and/or the SATA controller bios (if it has one) to >>make sure that any RAID settings are disabled. >> >> >>If it happens to be a "real" hardware RAID controller, sometimes you >>have to create the RAID volumes and initialize them before the operating >>system can see the drives. >> >> >>If neither of those suggestions do the trick, it would be helpful if we >>knew the make/model of the SATA controller (and/or the make/model of the >>server) >> >> >>-Eric >> >> > >Additionally, there are some known installation problems with certain >SATA controllers and FC4 (on which K12LTSP 4.4.1 is based), so knowning >which controller he has would be useful. Look through the bugs at the >link below and see if any applies to your hardware: > >https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/buglist.cgi?bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=MODIFIED&bug_status=NEEDINFO&bug_status=REOPENED&field0-0-0=product&type0-0-0=substring&value0-0-0=sata&field0-0-1=component&type0-0-1=substring&value0-0-1=sata&field0-0-2=short_desc&type0-0-2=substring&value0-0-2=sata&field0-0-3=status_whiteboard&type0-0-3=substring&value0-0-3=sata&field1-0-0=product&type1-0-0=substring&value1-0-0=install&field1-0-1=component&type1-0-1=substring&value1-0-1=install&field1-0-2=short_desc&type1-0-2=substring&value1-0-2=install&field1-0-3=status_whiteboard&type1-0-3=substring&value1-0-3=install > >As a side note, I have an SATA harddrive at home that wasn't found by >the default installer but after working some magic (which, sadly, I no >longer remember) I got things installed and running. I should note that >the installer doesn't have all of the drivers that the final install >does, so difficulty during install doesn't necessarily mean the drive(s) >won't work once installed. > >- -- >Shahms E. King >Multnomah ESD > >Public Key: >http://shahms.mesd.k12.or.us/~sking/shahms.asc >Fingerprint: >1612 054B CE92 8770 F1EA AB1B FEAB 3636 45B2 D75B >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) >Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > >iD8DBQFDoaKQ/qs2NkWy11sRAlmfAKCSzzfaxdm69d4/DfEoEQzaDi4MiwCfRD/N >vo6W2aopfk7/u8LkAIMVIt0= >=kzuA >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > -- -------------------------------------------------------- Jim Hays, Technology Coordinator Monticello CUSD#25 #2 Sage Drive Monticello, IL 61856 (217) 762-8511 ext 1208 haysja at sages.us -------------------------------------------------------- From k12osn at perusion.com Thu Dec 15 17:45:49 2005 From: k12osn at perusion.com (Mike Heins) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:45:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SATA and K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <43A19C2E.6050802@sages.us> References: <43A19C2E.6050802@sages.us> Message-ID: <20051215174549.GA29257@bill.heins.net> Quoting Jim Hays (haysja at sages.us): > A friend who uses K12LTSP just bought a new server for his K12LTSP lab > that has SATA drives. He is trying to install K12LTSP 4.4.1 and it will > not install on the SATA drives. > > Does K12LTSP "play nice" with SATA? Does he need a newer version. I am running 4.4.1 with SATA. I suspect it has as much to do with the kernel and the kernel arguments as anything else. Is this the Fedora Core 4 version? Depending on the server, it may require booting with acpi=off in the kernel arguments. -- Mike Heins Perusion -- Expert Interchange Consulting http://www.perusion.com/ phone +1.765.647.1295 tollfree 800-949-1889 Any man who is under 30, and is not liberal, has not heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has not brains. -- Winston Churchill From paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us Thu Dec 15 18:06:03 2005 From: paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us (Justin Paulsen) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:06:03 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: SATA and K12LTSP Message-ID: <43A1B08B.2040502@frederic.k12.wi.us> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I agree with Eric, my server saw only the individual drives of the RAID array when using the on-board Silicon-Image "fake" RAID controller (Tyan MB). 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From mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us Thu Dec 15 18:46:37 2005 From: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us (Mark Sarria) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:46:37 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Changing Sambalogonhour Message-ID: <200512151846.jBFIkmg2000548@mx1.redhat.com> How can I change a users Sambalogonhour field using command line? --MARK From wolfravenous at gmail.com Thu Dec 15 18:48:16 2005 From: wolfravenous at gmail.com (Steve Hampton) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:48:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] apache problem? Message-ID: Hi Quick question for those who are experts at web hosting. I am using SquidGuard which I know utilizes apache. And I know that Apache is running cause squidguard is working. However when i try to view the default apache page by typing in http://localhost/index.html in my browser window I get the following error. The connection was refused when attempting to contact localhost. Any suggestions as to why I might not be able to view the default page. I want to host a site on my k12ltsp by dropping it in my /var/www/htm/ directory but right now appearently apache isn't serving up pages for me. Thanks Steven Hampton -- Open Source, The Right Thing To Do! From petre at maltzen.net Thu Dec 15 18:59:15 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:59:15 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] apache problem? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43A1BD03.6090402@maltzen.net> 'ps -ef |grep httpd' will tell you if apache is really running. 'nmap localhost' will tell you if it's listening on port 80 (the default) 'iptables -L' or 'cat /etc/sysconfig/iptables' will tell you if your firewall is configured to allow traffic on port 80. HTH Petre Steve Hampton wrote: > Hi > > Quick question for those who are experts at web hosting. I am using > SquidGuard which I know utilizes apache. And I know that Apache is > running cause squidguard is working. However when i try to view the > default apache page by typing in http://localhost/index.html in my > browser window I get the following error. > > The connection was refused when attempting to contact localhost. > > Any suggestions as to why I might not be able to view the default > page. I want to host a site on my k12ltsp by dropping it in my > /var/www/htm/ directory but right now appearently apache isn't serving > up pages for me. > Thanks > Steven Hampton > -- > Open Source, The Right Thing To Do! > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us Thu Dec 15 19:28:08 2005 From: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us (Mark Sarria) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:28:08 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Deleteing Samba ROOT user? Message-ID: <200512151928.jBFJSBQk015652@mx1.redhat.com> Hello List, If I delete the Samba Root User, the user needed to join new workstations to the domain, and the created another root user, will the newly created samba root user have the same permission and ability as the one I delete. --mark From william at fragakis.com Thu Dec 15 21:15:22 2005 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:15:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SATA and K12LTSP Message-ID: > A friend who uses K12LTSP just bought a new server for his K12LTSP lab > that has SATA drives. He is trying to install K12LTSP 4.4.1 and it > will > not install on the SATA drives. > > Does K12LTSP "play nice" with SATA? Does he need a newer version. K12 does play relatively nice with most chip sets but I had problem with the new ATI 9x00 chipset in an MSI board. K12 wouldn't recognize it but FC4 would. You/he could try installing FC4 first and see if that works (install k12 at the end where it asks if you have any additional CDs) If all else fails, RAID SATA PCI cards can be had pretty cheap (the "fakeraid" sort - hardware RAID is a lot more expensive but nevermind because it's likely that the RAID chipset on the motherboard is fakeraid, too). I resorted to this on the above mentioned board because the card was $15 and I was in a hurry. regards, William Fragakis morrisbrandon.com From cliebow at midmaine.com Thu Dec 15 21:30:18 2005 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:30:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Changing Sambalogonhour In-Reply-To: <200512151846.jBFIkmg2000548@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200512151846.jBFIkmg2000548@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <16481.169.244.70.148.1134682218.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> you can change any field woth an ldif similar to this one here i change the sn: field and add the givenName field dn: cn=zachary.smart,ou=2017,ou=Students,ou=People,dc=ehs,dc=ellsworthschools,dc=org changetype: modify delete: sn sn: zachary.smart - add: sn sn: smart dn: cn=zachary.smart,ou=2017,ou=Students,ou=People,dc=ehs,dc=ellsworthschools,dc=org changetype: modify add: givenName givenName: zachary add it with something like this ldapmodify -x -v -h localhost -D "$dn" -w "$pw" -f /tmp/addgivenname.ldif > How can I change a users Sambalogonhour field using command line? > > --MARK > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From robark at gmail.com Thu Dec 15 23:26:08 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:26:08 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] SATA and K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <43A1A08D.1060907@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <43A19C2E.6050802@sages.us> <43A1A08D.1060907@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: On 12/15/05, Eric Harrison wrote: > If neither of those suggestions do the trick, it would be helpful if we > knew the make/model of the SATA controller (and/or the make/model of the > server) Once you know what SATA controller, here is the link to Jeff Garzik's SATA status report http://linux.yyz.us/sata/sata-status.html -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Dec 16 00:43:42 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:43:42 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] apache problem? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43A20DBE.6050607@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Steve Hampton wrote: > Hi > > Quick question for those who are experts at web hosting. I am using > SquidGuard which I know utilizes apache. And I know that Apache is > running cause squidguard is working. Actually, squidGuard uses squid. > However when i try to view the > default apache page by typing in http://localhost/index.html in my > browser window I get the following error. > > The connection was refused when attempting to contact localhost. > > Any suggestions as to why I might not be able to view the default > page. I want to host a site on my k12ltsp by dropping it in my > /var/www/htm/ directory but right now appearently apache isn't serving > up pages for me. > Thanks > Steven Hampton > -- > Open Source, The Right Thing To Do! > Try this: /sbin/service httpd status If it doesn't say httpd is running, start it... /sbin/service httpd start To make sure that httpd starts on bootup: /sbin/chkconfig httpd on -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I had thisproblem with amd mobo with on board SiL sata chip. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From sbarar at gmail.com Fri Dec 16 02:30:29 2005 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:00:29 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] SATA and K12LTSP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <774593a20512151830rb1c26b3m3beaf5ac833abd1d@mail.gmail.com> On 12/16/05, William Fragakis wrote: > > A friend who uses K12LTSP just bought a new server for his K12LTSP lab > > that has SATA drives. He is trying to install K12LTSP 4.4.1 and it > > will > > not install on the SATA drives. > > > > Does K12LTSP "play nice" with SATA? Does he need a newer version. > > K12 does play relatively nice with most chip sets but I had problem > with the new ATI 9x00 chipset in an MSI board. K12 wouldn't recognize > it but FC4 would. You/he could try installing FC4 first and see if that > works (install k12 at the end where it asks if you have any additional > CDs) That ATi on MSI boards is agp controller but the sata controller is actually is SiL and it does not get recognised. SiL is doing some work (last I checked) and has a beta driver out. BUT I also followed what you did and built a software raid. It is working without the trouble. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From tlegge at rogers.com Fri Dec 16 03:01:53 2005 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 23:01:53 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SATA and K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <43A1A08D.1060907@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <43A19C2E.6050802@sages.us> <43A1A08D.1060907@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <43A22E21.8070409@rogers.com> Eric Harrison wrote: > Jim Hays wrote: > >> A friend who uses K12LTSP just bought a new server for his K12LTSP lab >> that has SATA drives. He is trying to install K12LTSP 4.4.1 and it will >> not install on the SATA drives. >> >> Does K12LTSP "play nice" with SATA? Does he need a newer version. >> > > A some-what common problem is "RAID" turned on in the bios on a > "Fake-RAID" controller (i.e. a RAID controller that requires special > software drivers to work). > > Check the system bios and/or the SATA controller bios (if it has one) to > make sure that any RAID settings are disabled. > > > If it happens to be a "real" hardware RAID controller, sometimes you > have to create the RAID volumes and initialize them before the operating > system can see the drives. > > > If neither of those suggestions do the trick, it would be helpful if we > knew the make/model of the SATA controller (and/or the make/model of the > server) > I have also seen issues when a standard IDE drive exists in the same system. In these cases the BIOS may not show the SATA drive as bootable. Remove it (IDE drive) and it will boot fine off the sata drive. I assume a BIOS upgrade would resolve it but I never tried... Tim From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Dec 16 05:45:43 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 21:45:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] 64bit ISOs, almost beta-ready In-Reply-To: References: <9bd317560512141540u131a6d45oe81fb6a6653cebc1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 14 Dec 2005, Eric Harrison wrote: > The firefox/acroread problem can be fixed by running "setarch i386" > before starting firefox. I'll rebuild the firefox package to do that > auto-magically, just in case other plugins get confused about which > arch they are running on vs the arch that firefox was built against. Grrr. So much for a quick, trivial-to-implement fix. The "setarch i386" trick only works on the specific build of firefox included in the current 4.2.2EL-64 test repository. I've figured out other scenarios where firefox always works, or always breaks, but have not yet figured out why. Back to banging my head against the monitor ;-) -Eric From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Fri Dec 16 10:09:03 2005 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 10:09:03 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Really OT: easter egg in OOo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200512161009.03447.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> On Thursday 15 Dec 2005 16:19, aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org wrote: > > > http://www.eggheaven2000.com/detailed/2735.html > > > > So, yeah, OpenOffice.org bloated?... NAAAH! > > -bill! > > Does anyone know if this easter egg game was created using OOo tools ? > 2d video game creation anyone ? The game appeared in StarOffice; I first came across it in StarOffice v5.1. It disappeared in OO 1.1, although maybe the code is still there but it just doesn't run. -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From tlegge at rogers.com Sat Dec 17 00:18:07 2005 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 20:18:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux Toys II Message-ID: <43A3593F.20900@rogers.com> Hi All I just saw a new book "Linux Toys II : 9 Cool New Projects for Home, Office, and Entertainment" that has a LTSP chapter and includes information about Etherboot (5.4.0) and Rom-o-matic. I only skimmed it but the chapter seemed reasonably complete... The amazon link is http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0764579959/002-8394267-2886434?v=glance&n=283155 Tim From jam at mcquil.com Sat Dec 17 00:21:16 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 19:21:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux Toys II In-Reply-To: <43A3593F.20900@rogers.com> References: <43A3593F.20900@rogers.com> Message-ID: <43A359FC.9050604@McQuil.com> Tim, I hope it's complete, I did some of the editing on that chapter :) Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org Timothy Legge wrote: > Hi All > > I just saw a new book "Linux Toys II : 9 Cool New Projects for Home, > Office, and Entertainment" that has a LTSP chapter and includes > information about Etherboot (5.4.0) and Rom-o-matic. I only skimmed > it but the chapter seemed reasonably complete... > > The amazon link is > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0764579959/002-8394267-2886434?v=glance&n=283155 > > > Tim > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From tlegge at rogers.com Sat Dec 17 00:30:24 2005 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 20:30:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux Toys II In-Reply-To: <43A359FC.9050604@McQuil.com> References: <43A3593F.20900@rogers.com> <43A359FC.9050604@McQuil.com> Message-ID: <43A35C20.1090301@rogers.com> Jim Great work. I thought you might have been involved and I looked for your name but you can only get so much detail before they throw you out for reading the book in the store... Tim Jim McQuillan wrote: > Tim, > > I hope it's complete, I did some of the editing on that chapter :) > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > Timothy Legge wrote: > >> Hi All >> >> I just saw a new book "Linux Toys II : 9 Cool New Projects for Home, >> Office, and Entertainment" that has a LTSP chapter and includes >> information about Etherboot (5.4.0) and Rom-o-matic. I only skimmed >> it but the chapter seemed reasonably complete... >> >> The amazon link is >> >> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0764579959/002-8394267-2886434?v=glance&n=283155 >> >> >> Tim >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jam at mcquil.com Sat Dec 17 00:33:26 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 19:33:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux Toys II In-Reply-To: <43A35C20.1090301@rogers.com> References: <43A3593F.20900@rogers.com> <43A359FC.9050604@McQuil.com> <43A35C20.1090301@rogers.com> Message-ID: <43A35CD6.2010508@McQuil.com> I've got a copy of the book, and sure enough, there's my name, right in the acknowledgements. I guess that's part of my 15 minutes fame :) Jim. Timothy Legge wrote: > Jim > > Great work. I thought you might have been involved and I looked for > your name but you can only get so much detail before they throw you > out for reading the book in the store... > > Tim > > Jim McQuillan wrote: >> Tim, >> >> I hope it's complete, I did some of the editing on that chapter :) >> >> Jim McQuillan >> jam at Ltsp.org >> >> >> >> Timothy Legge wrote: >> >>> Hi All >>> >>> I just saw a new book "Linux Toys II : 9 Cool New Projects for Home, >>> Office, and Entertainment" that has a LTSP chapter and includes >>> information about Etherboot (5.4.0) and Rom-o-matic. I only skimmed >>> it but the chapter seemed reasonably complete... >>> >>> The amazon link is >>> >>> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0764579959/002-8394267-2886434?v=glance&n=283155 >>> >>> >>> Tim >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From ahodson at elp.rr.com Sat Dec 17 15:32:13 2005 From: ahodson at elp.rr.com (Alan A Hodson) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 08:32:13 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Sharing TeacherTool Message-ID: Hi folks I am wanting to give the teacher in charge of the K12LTSP lab (4.4.1) at each campus access to TeacherTool without giving them the root password. I've tried chmod 771 TeacherTool, adding teacheruser to root's group, adding root to teacheruser group and even chgrp TeacherTool to teacheruser to no avail. The teacheruser account can run and see what apps users are running, but the kill command or the logoff command don't work... I could use some help here... Thanks Alan Hodson El Paso ISD, TX -=o=- From jon.spriggs at gmail.com Sat Dec 17 16:30:41 2005 From: jon.spriggs at gmail.com (Jon Spriggs) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 16:30:41 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Sharing TeacherTool In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <96df2e0b0512170830kc98b203o@mail.gmail.com> On 17/12/05, Alan A Hodson wrote: > Hi folks > > I am wanting to give the teacher in charge of the K12LTSP lab (4.4.1) > at each campus access to TeacherTool without giving them the root > password. I've tried chmod 771 TeacherTool, adding teacheruser to > root's group, adding root to teacheruser group and even chgrp > TeacherTool to teacheruser to no avail. The teacheruser account can > run and see what apps users are running, but the kill command or the > logoff command don't work... I could use some help here... > Thanks > Alan Hodson > El Paso ISD, TX > -=o=- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > Hey there Alan, Have you had a look at the SuDo command? -- Jon "Four Star Gun" Spriggs AKA Jon "The Nice Guy" Spriggs From robark at gmail.com Sat Dec 17 18:19:52 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 10:19:52 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Sharing TeacherTool In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 12/17/05, Alan A Hodson wrote: > Hi folks > > I am wanting to give the teacher in charge of the K12LTSP lab (4.4.1) > at each campus access to TeacherTool without giving them the root > password. I've tried chmod 771 TeacherTool, adding teacheruser to > root's group, adding root to teacheruser group and even chgrp > TeacherTool to teacheruser to no avail. The teacheruser account can > run and see what apps users are running, but the kill command or the > logoff command don't work... I could use some help here... I have a how-to on my Fl_TeacherTool site which describes how to do this See the section "Setting Up Fl_TeacherTool to run with sudo:" http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ BTW I'm releasing version 0.2 next week. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From ascensiontech at gmail.com Sat Dec 17 18:30:09 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 13:30:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] 64bit ISOs, almost beta-ready In-Reply-To: References: <9bd317560512141540u131a6d45oe81fb6a6653cebc1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560512171030h405ca661ia46e3ed91da6eb5e@mail.gmail.com> Oh well, I hope it doesn't frustrate you too much longer. Now that we haven't been using it, I don't believe the acroread-plugin is really that hot to begin with. For now I just wish I could associate acroread with pdf instead of ggv. (which I'm a little embarrassed I don't know how to do) We're using Ice and Nautilus. How would I do it? Thanks, Peter On 12/16/05, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Wed, 14 Dec 2005, Eric Harrison wrote: > > > The firefox/acroread problem can be fixed by running "setarch i386" > > before starting firefox. I'll rebuild the firefox package to do that > > auto-magically, just in case other plugins get confused about which > > arch they are running on vs the arch that firefox was built against. > > Grrr. So much for a quick, trivial-to-implement fix. > > The "setarch i386" trick only works on the specific build of > firefox included in the current 4.2.2EL-64 test repository. > > I've figured out other scenarios where firefox always works, or > always breaks, but have not yet figured out why. > > Back to banging my head against the monitor ;-) > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From carl at snarlnet.com Sat Dec 17 19:21:41 2005 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 11:21:41 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] upgrading k12ltsp Message-ID: <43A46545.5080908@snarlnet.com> Can someone describe a good scheme for upgrading an install of k12ltsp? I'm running an FC3 based version right now. I'd like to upgrade very soon to whatever is stable right now. I have my /home directory on a different physical hard drive, but I'm wondering how that helps me now. I'm thinking that there must be stuff that gets changed in the /home directories for the new version. How do I update all that stuff while retaining the users' home data? So, what's the procedure here? I'm thinking of physically unhooking the /home directory drive in the computer, then installing k12ltsp as usual from disks on hda, then hooking back up hdb and pointing home at it in fstab but something tells me this won't work very well. Not to mention losing all the customizations. What do others do when upgrading? Somebody must have a really easy/foolproof set of instructions for this. Thanks, ck From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Sun Dec 18 00:04:51 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 18:04:51 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] upgrading k12ltsp In-Reply-To: <43A46545.5080908@snarlnet.com> References: <43A46545.5080908@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: <0D292AD0-39B6-42EA-8EE0-3ED6CAA0FD0A@mindfirestudios.com> The stuff in /home is all user data. So you should be able to just do straight upgrades if you really would like. Lots of people on this list back up their /etc directory where all the config files are and parts of /var if they have websites or databases in there. Some just to a whole backup, just to be safe, do a fresh install, and then put their config files back. Bottom line: you shouldn't have to mess with /home. (I can only think of a couple exceptions that have to do with new versions of a program not dealing gracefully with old user preference files. But then you only have to delete the pref file for that program, not all of /home. On Dec 17, 2005, at 1:21 PM, Carl Keil wrote: > Can someone describe a good scheme for upgrading an install of > k12ltsp? I'm running an FC3 based version right now. I'd like to > upgrade very soon to whatever is stable right now. I have my /home > directory on a different physical hard drive, but I'm wondering how > that helps me now. I'm thinking that there must be stuff that gets > changed in the /home directories for the new version. How do I > update all that stuff while retaining the users' home data? > > So, what's the procedure here? I'm thinking of physically > unhooking the /home directory drive in the computer, then > installing k12ltsp as usual from disks on hda, then hooking back up > hdb and pointing home at it in fstab but something tells me this > won't work very well. Not to mention losing all the > customizations. What do others do when upgrading? Somebody must > have a really easy/foolproof set of instructions for this. > > Thanks, > > ck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Sun Dec 18 00:08:06 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 18:08:06 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Using ibooks in conjunction with k12LTSP/debianedu servers In-Reply-To: <20051215140747.M99499@winonacotter.org> References: <3C8BA4FE-004F-4AB7-B508-AF1F9DC37997@mindfirestudios.com> <20051215140747.M99499@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: How do those of you in Maine with iBooks (and LTSP) handle authentication and file storage for those laptops that leave the school? From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Sun Dec 18 05:37:25 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 21:37:25 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Thin-client Linux Map Has 296 Listings - Discussion Forum Added Message-ID: We're almost to the 300 mark on the Frappr map at www.k12ltsp.com. I haven't had time to enter the TuXlab and Skolelinux sites, which would add a couple of hundred, but I'm convinced that we can get to 1000 pretty easily. Be sure to tell your friends if they havn't registered yet. It's a great way to show the strength of the thin-client Linux community. At the Developers Conference in Montreal, there was talk of starting a second discussion list just for those who wanted basic information, so that they don't have to wade through the technical discussions of those on the cutting edge (which can sometimes seem overwhelming to the new user). The Frappr map people have added a menu item for a discussion group, so I started one with Google that is now linked to the map. My hope is that those wanting to ask pre-installation or general questions will be able to do so in this forum. If someone (JAM?) has already got this beginner list going, just let me know and I'll change the link to that list and just delete the one I created. :) Steve -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.k12computers.com www.technologyrescue.com From cliebow at midmaine.com Sun Dec 18 13:13:34 2005 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 08:13:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Using ibooks in conjunction with k12LTSP/debianedu servers In-Reply-To: References: <3C8BA4FE-004F-4AB7-B508-AF1F9DC37997@mindfirestudios.com> <20051215140747.M99499@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <51637.70.33.151.214.1134911614.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Hi Burke: i dont really have it come up..but nxclient for macos would ne pretty nifty..if you mean accessing you desktop from home..There is also something akin to winscp whose name i never remember for scp'files back and forth..starts with f? dang senior moments...chuck > How do your fi those of you in Maine with iBooks (and LTSP) handle > authentication and file storage for those laptops that leave the school? > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From cliebow at midmaine.com Sun Dec 18 13:15:18 2005 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 08:15:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] upgrading k12ltsp In-Reply-To: <0D292AD0-39B6-42EA-8EE0-3ED6CAA0FD0A@mindfirestudios.com> References: <43A46545.5080908@snarlnet.com> <0D292AD0-39B6-42EA-8EE0-3ED6CAA0FD0A@mindfirestudios.com> Message-ID: <51639.70.33.151.214.1134911718.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> your user ids might get all screwed up..owneaship of home folders...but seems a simple script would fix that.. > The stuff in /home is all user data. So you should be able to just do > straight upgrades if you really would like. Lots of people on this > list back up their /etc directory where all the config files are and > parts of /var if they have websites or databases in there. Some just > to a whole backup, just to be safe, do a fresh install, and then put > their config files back. Bottom line: you shouldn't have to mess > with /home. (I can only think of a couple exceptions that have to do > with new versions of a program not dealing gracefully with old user > preference files. But then you only have to delete the pref file for > that program, not all of /home. > > On Dec 17, 2005, at 1:21 PM, Carl Keil wrote: > >> Can someone describe a good scheme for upgrading an install of >> k12ltsp? I'm running an FC3 based version right now. I'd like to >> upgrade very soon to whatever is stable right now. I have my /home >> directory on a different physical hard drive, but I'm wondering how >> that helps me now. I'm thinking that there must be stuff that gets >> changed in the /home directories for the new version. How do I >> update all that stuff while retaining the users' home data? >> >> So, what's the procedure here? I'm thinking of physically >> unhooking the /home directory drive in the computer, then >> installing k12ltsp as usual from disks on hda, then hooking back up >> hdb and pointing home at it in fstab but something tells me this >> won't work very well. Not to mention losing all the >> customizations. What do others do when upgrading? Somebody must >> have a really easy/foolproof set of instructions for this. >> >> Thanks, >> >> ck >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ascensiontech at gmail.com Sun Dec 18 15:34:00 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 10:34:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] upgrading k12ltsp In-Reply-To: <43A46545.5080908@snarlnet.com> References: <43A46545.5080908@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560512180734u551a8ee6xc4f2e3e9672ce6ee@mail.gmail.com> > then installing k12ltsp as usual > from disks on hda, then hooking back up hdb and pointing home at it in Just to clarify things, I think what you described here is probably considered a fresh install more than an upgrade. Have you backed up your users to a batch file with webmin? Peter On 12/17/05, Carl Keil wrote: > Can someone describe a good scheme for upgrading an install of k12ltsp? > I'm running an FC3 based version right now. I'd like to upgrade very > soon to whatever is stable right now. I have my /home directory on a > different physical hard drive, but I'm wondering how that helps me now. > I'm thinking that there must be stuff that gets changed in the /home > directories for the new version. How do I update all that stuff while > retaining the users' home data? > > So, what's the procedure here? I'm thinking of physically unhooking the > /home directory drive in the computer, then installing k12ltsp as usual > from disks on hda, then hooking back up hdb and pointing home at it in > fstab but something tells me this won't work very well. Not to mention > losing all the customizations. What do others do when upgrading? > Somebody must have a really easy/foolproof set of instructions for this. > > Thanks, > > ck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ascensiontech at gmail.com Sun Dec 18 18:07:57 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 13:07:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Hardware Hacking: Share one UPS between two computers Message-ID: <9bd317560512181007m2ce51089sfe69956174d4363e@mail.gmail.com> I'm looking to share an APC UPS between to computers with USB in a DIY fashion. Can't I just splice 2 A male connectors (leaving the 5v + unconnected) with a female A connector? To be more specific I mean to connect all the pin 2s to each other; all the pin 3s to each other; all the pin 4's to each other and leave all the pin 1s unconnected. I'm trying the UPS to signal the shutdown without networking because one computer is in the dmz and the other is the LTSP server. What do you think, will that work? Thanks, Peter From carl at snarlnet.com Sun Dec 18 19:12:30 2005 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 11:12:30 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] upgrading k12ltsp Message-ID: <43A5B49E.4010707@snarlnet.com> From: Peter Hartmann Subject: Re: [K12OSN] upgrading k12ltsp To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Message-ID: <9bd317560512180734u551a8ee6xc4f2e3e9672ce6ee at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> then installing k12ltsp as usual >> from disks on hda, then hooking back up hdb and pointing home at it in > > >Just to clarify things, I think what you described here is probably >considered a fresh install more than an upgrade. Have you backed up >your users to a batch file with webmin? >Peter This has me wondering. Are people actually getting away with booting off the first CD and selecting "upgrade"? I thought a clean install was really the only way to upgrade - that actual "upgrading" was a sure trip to trouble. I would soooo like to take the easy way out on this if there's a 90% chance of it working. ck On 12/17/05, Carl Keil wrote: >> Can someone describe a good scheme for upgrading an install of k12ltsp? >> I'm running an FC3 based version right now. I'd like to upgrade very >> soon to whatever is stable right now. I have my /home directory on a >> different physical hard drive, but I'm wondering how that helps me now. >> I'm thinking that there must be stuff that gets changed in the /home >> directories for the new version. How do I update all that stuff while >> retaining the users' home data? >> >> So, what's the procedure here? I'm thinking of physically unhooking the >> /home directory drive in the computer, then installing k12ltsp as usual >> from disks on hda, then hooking back up hdb and pointing home at it in >> fstab but something tells me this won't work very well. Not to mention >> losing all the customizations. What do others do when upgrading? >> Somebody must have a really easy/foolproof set of instructions for this. >> >> Thanks, >> >> ck >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Sun Dec 18 19:12:53 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 13:12:53 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Hardware Hacking: Share one UPS between two computers In-Reply-To: <9bd317560512181007m2ce51089sfe69956174d4363e@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560512181007m2ce51089sfe69956174d4363e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1134933173.15944.3.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2005-12-18 at 12:07, Peter Hartmann wrote: > I'm looking to share an APC UPS between to computers with USB in a DIY > fashion. Can't I just splice 2 A male connectors (leaving the 5v + > unconnected) with a female A connector? To be more specific I mean to > connect all the pin 2s to each other; all the pin 3s to each other; > all the pin 4's to each other and leave all the pin 1s unconnected. > I'm trying the UPS to signal the shutdown without networking because > one computer is in the dmz and the other is the LTSP server. That might work with a standard serial port where the ups software just watched the CD lead to become active but I don't think you can do it with USB. Maybe you could just connect to your inside machine and add something in the shutdown sequence to ssh a shutdown command to the dmz box. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Dec 18 20:31:34 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 12:31:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] upgrading k12ltsp In-Reply-To: <43A5B49E.4010707@snarlnet.com> References: <43A5B49E.4010707@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 18 Dec 2005, Carl Keil wrote: > This has me wondering. Are people actually getting away with booting off the > first CD and selecting "upgrade"? I thought a clean install was really the > only way to upgrade - that actual "upgrading" was a sure trip to trouble. I > would soooo like to take the easy way out on this if there's a 90% chance of > it working. There is a 90% chance of it working. I have about a 100 servers I maintain, I am constantly doing upgrades. My recomendation is to do a full back up. *Always* do a full backup (and test it) before doing an sort of major change to a server. If you are confident that you have a full, tested backup, you should feel confident in trying out different ways to upgrade. Worse case you just restore back to the original state. The cleanest way to do an upgrade, as others have noted, is just do a fresh install, re-install your custom applications, and restore your user data (which you have on a seperate drive, so that is already done). But with Linux, it is possible to get the equivient by slapping in the install CD and selecting "upgrade". After the upgrade is done, I run: yum upgrade to pull down all of the updated packages (CD are *always* out of date) and any third-party repository packages that can be upgraded. I then run: yum list extras This will list packages that are NOT in any of your repositories. I then figure out whether or not these extra packages are ok, need a new version downloaded and installed, or just simply removed. Finally, I test everything. Whether or not doing a fresh install or an upgrade is easier or quicker depends on the state of the system. If you have a plain vanillia install that has not had extensive modifications, an upgrade should be trivial. Of course, if you have a plain vanillia install that has not had extensive modifications, it should also be trivial to do a fresh install and restore the user data. If you have a ton of modifications to the base packages, but not a lot of third-party packages added, an upgrade is likely to be easier. Many, if not most, of the modifications will be retained. If you have a ton of third-party software installed, especially if they are not packaged (i.e. you installed from source), then a fresh install can be the easier route. -Eric From carl at snarlnet.com Sun Dec 18 20:36:41 2005 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 12:36:41 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Another upgrade question Message-ID: <43A5C859.2000006@snarlnet.com> I think my hda is going bad. It's got everything except /home on it and fsck and smartd show up clean on it so far. What's the easiest way to clone that drive onto another drive? is there some dd magic that will just copy straight across and make the new one bootable and everything? I'm running LVM2. I've looked a bit at the documentation and it almost looks like there would be a way using LVM to add a second drive and then remove the first, but I'm a novice at LVM. FYI - my problem is that my server crashes every night during the wee hours of the morning. Each morning I am greeted by a kernel panic message. Something about fs/dcache and a few other messages that I don't understand. It is in my freezing cold basement, and the case it is in has some extra holes from CDROM bays that haven't been plugged. Has anyone heard of 40 degree temperatures crashing servers when they are idle? I'm not positive, but I think I'm detecting a corelation between how cold it is at night and how early in the night my server crashes. Thanks, ck From ascensiontech at gmail.com Sun Dec 18 21:07:44 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 16:07:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Hardware Hacking: Share one UPS between two computers In-Reply-To: <1134933173.15944.3.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <9bd317560512181007m2ce51089sfe69956174d4363e@mail.gmail.com> <1134933173.15944.3.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560512181307j576b97e9y31ceafe972baa168@mail.gmail.com> > That might work with a standard serial port where the ups software > just watched the CD lead to become active Really? Cool, that's actually another option for us. So you think I could get a serial y-splitter and connect everything? Thanks, Peter On 12/18/05, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Sun, 2005-12-18 at 12:07, Peter Hartmann wrote: > > I'm looking to share an APC UPS between to computers with USB in a DIY > > fashion. Can't I just splice 2 A male connectors (leaving the 5v + > > unconnected) with a female A connector? To be more specific I mean to > > connect all the pin 2s to each other; all the pin 3s to each other; > > all the pin 4's to each other and leave all the pin 1s unconnected. > > I'm trying the UPS to signal the shutdown without networking because > > one computer is in the dmz and the other is the LTSP server. > > That might work with a standard serial port where the ups software > just watched the CD lead to become active but I don't think > you can do it with USB. Maybe you could just connect to your > inside machine and add something in the shutdown sequence to > ssh a shutdown command to the dmz box. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Sun Dec 18 21:38:52 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 15:38:52 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Hardware Hacking: Share one UPS between two computers In-Reply-To: <9bd317560512181307j576b97e9y31ceafe972baa168@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560512181007m2ce51089sfe69956174d4363e@mail.gmail.com> <1134933173.15944.3.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <9bd317560512181307j576b97e9y31ceafe972baa168@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1134941931.16457.5.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2005-12-18 at 15:07, Peter Hartmann wrote: > > That might work with a standard serial port where the ups software > > just watched the CD lead to become active > > Really? Cool, that's actually another option for us. So you think I > could get a serial y-splitter and connect everything? It depends on how the software actually works, but I thought that the old way was to simply try to open a serial port which will block until CD comes up and that should work with a few connections. Or if the UPS has both, you could USB to one, serial to the other. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jon.spriggs at gmail.com Mon Dec 19 07:42:37 2005 From: jon.spriggs at gmail.com (Jon Spriggs) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 07:42:37 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Hardware Hacking: Share one UPS between two computers In-Reply-To: <9bd317560512181007m2ce51089sfe69956174d4363e@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560512181007m2ce51089sfe69956174d4363e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <96df2e0b0512182342r2e2217a6v@mail.gmail.com> On 18/12/05, Peter Hartmann wrote: > I'm looking to share an APC UPS between to computers with USB in a DIY > fashion. Can't I just splice 2 A male connectors (leaving the 5v + > unconnected) with a female A connector? To be more specific I mean to > connect all the pin 2s to each other; all the pin 3s to each other; > all the pin 4's to each other and leave all the pin 1s unconnected. > I'm trying the UPS to signal the shutdown without networking because > one computer is in the dmz and the other is the LTSP server. > > > What do you think, will that work? > Peter, The correct route is to add a "ShareUPS" device to the mix. The shareUPS takes a feed from the UPS and then splits out 4 or 5 serial ports. I don't know the pricing - I just get given them at work! Another route could be to try and copy /dev/tty0 to /dev/tty1 and then run up the UPS software - see if that works? Jon From ddwelley at msad54.org Mon Dec 19 12:27:06 2005 From: ddwelley at msad54.org (Dan Dwelley) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 07:27:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Moodle configuration Message-ID: <0FFB0C982B6E3944A0BC732B90E2D79403006150@S3.net.sad54.k12.me.us> I'm installing Moodle on my FC4 server and get errors while trying to create the tables. I've created the mysql database but get error 1044 Access denied. I'm not sure why...any thoughts? Thanks, Dan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Mon Dec 19 12:31:56 2005 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 07:31:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Moodle configuration In-Reply-To: <0FFB0C982B6E3944A0BC732B90E2D79403006150@S3.net.sad54.k12.me.us> Message-ID: <200512191303.jBJD3oSc023210@mx3.redhat.com> Dan, Did you create the database first using mysqladministrator? If so, did you set the root password for that database? Are you sure you're entering in the proper information? -Paul -- Paul VanGundy Information Technology Director Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us _____ From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Dan Dwelley Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 7:27 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Moodle configuration I'm installing Moodle on my FC4 server and get errors while trying to create the tables. I've created the mysql database but get error 1044 Access denied. I'm not sure why...any thoughts? Thanks, Dan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jritchie at bible.edu Mon Dec 19 13:55:55 2005 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Ritchie, Josiah S.) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 08:55:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux Toys II Message-ID: <6EB812DA48A19740BE7CD3BC07C792FAAB3D7A@rebekah.bible.edu> > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Jim McQuillan > Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 7:33 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Linux Toys II > > I've got a copy of the book, and sure enough, there's my name, right in > the acknowledgements. > I guess that's part of my 15 minutes fame :) You're certainly due :-) I'll take this moment to say thanks for all your hard work. :-) JSR/ From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Dec 19 14:03:06 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 08:03:06 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Using ibooks in conjunction with k12LTSP/debianedu In-Reply-To: <51637.70.33.151.214.1134911614.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> References: <3C8BA4FE-004F-4AB7-B508-AF1F9DC37997@mindfirestudios.com> <20051215140747.M99499@winonacotter.org> <51637.70.33.151.214.1134911614.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> Message-ID: <20051219140225.M91241@winonacotter.org> > home..There is also something akin to winscp whose name i never > remember for scp'files back and forth..starts with f? I think you're referring to Fugu. Very nice OSX client. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From accessys at smart.net Mon Dec 19 14:59:01 2005 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 09:59:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Using ibooks in conjunction with k12LTSP/debianedu In-Reply-To: <20051219140225.M91241@winonacotter.org> References: <3C8BA4FE-004F-4AB7-B508-AF1F9DC37997@mindfirestudios.com> <20051215140747.M99499@winonacotter.org> <51637.70.33.151.214.1134911614.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> <20051219140225.M91241@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 19 Dec 2005, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > home..There is also something akin to winscp whose name i never > > remember for scp'files back and forth..starts with f? > > I think you're referring to Fugu. also (Fugu) a very delicious and occasionally deadly Japanese fish delicacy.... wonder if that is how it got it's name... 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They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From andy at spitcomp.com Mon Dec 19 14:03:57 2005 From: andy at spitcomp.com (Andrew Fisk) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 09:03:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Hardware Hacking: Share one UPS between two computers In-Reply-To: <96df2e0b0512182342r2e2217a6v@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560512181007m2ce51089sfe69956174d4363e@mail.gmail.com> <96df2e0b0512182342r2e2217a6v@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <34A7AE6A-D8A8-478F-8EA9-0A876F4593F9@spitcomp.com> Why not just have the dmz box ping the LTSP box and shut it's self down if it misses 4 or 5 pings? Its quick, easy and won't burn out your motherboard if you mess up. Thanks Andy Spitfire Computer Services 441 Beaver Street Suite 202 Sewickley, PA 15143 Phone (412) 749-0162 Fax: (412) 749-0203 andy at spitcomp.com www.spitcomp.com On Dec 19, 2005, at 2:42 AM, Jon Spriggs wrote: > On 18/12/05, Peter Hartmann wrote: >> I'm looking to share an APC UPS between to computers with USB in a >> DIY >> fashion. Can't I just splice 2 A male connectors (leaving the 5v + >> unconnected) with a female A connector? To be more specific I mean to >> connect all the pin 2s to each other; all the pin 3s to each other; >> all the pin 4's to each other and leave all the pin 1s unconnected. >> I'm trying the UPS to signal the shutdown without networking because >> one computer is in the dmz and the other is the LTSP server. >> >> >> What do you think, will that work? >> > Peter, > > The correct route is to add a "ShareUPS" device to the mix. The > shareUPS takes a feed from the UPS and then splits out 4 or 5 serial > ports. I don't know the pricing - I just get given them at work! > > Another route could be to try and copy /dev/tty0 to /dev/tty1 and then > run up the UPS software - see if that works? > > Jon > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us Mon Dec 19 15:18:57 2005 From: paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us (Justin Paulsen) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 09:18:57 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Updating from 4.2.1 to 4.4.1 Message-ID: <43A6CF61.5050104@frederic.k12.wi.us> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello, Is there an easy way to update from k12-ltsp 4.2.1 to 4.4.1? And will it break all of my current configurations? Thanks, - -- Justin Paulsen IT Coordinator Frederic School District 1-715-327-4223 paulsenj at frederic.k12.wi.us "The world is open. Are you?" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDps9h1ed72CY2bpoRAs5dAJ9lh14pNKPRkvna+6zs5R7Jy0SBeACeJXRN W0ppN4s3Ju+CCPjJTxM/qz8= =AosA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: paulsenj.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 306 bytes Desc: not available URL: From wolfravenous at gmail.com Mon Dec 19 15:21:19 2005 From: wolfravenous at gmail.com (Steve Hampton) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 10:21:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Eric I checked and.... Message-ID: Apache is running. When I ran the commands suggested by Petre Scheie it also confirmed that apache was running and I don't have my firewall enabled at all right now so I don't think that is the problem. When I ran the "nmap localhost" the only returns that seemed to have anything to do with apache are posted below. There was NO return for port 80. .... 443/tcp open https .... 3128/tcp open squid-http .... 8080/tcp open http-proxy ..... If this information helps I would love any suggestions on how to fix this. Thanks. Steven Hampton -- Open Source, The Right Thing To Do! From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Mon Dec 19 19:38:09 2005 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 13:38:09 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] ppc booting help Message-ID: <47499.172.28.8.56.1135021089.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Hello list, Just done a fresh install of K12LTSP 4.4.1.This is the first time I ve tryed to get IMACS& EMACS to boot up.The firmware version on the IMAC im trying to bootup..is 3.0. At startup, I do the ,,Apple+Options+f+o. I type at the command line--- boot enet:serveripaddress.There is.. approxiamatley 2 min delay,,then i get Server Ip address[ correrct IP address] then a second line server IP address[ ffffffffff] then i get a line of yaboot.conf..This were MAC stops...;( At server,/tail/var/log/messages is showing"load size is too small",error writing 4 bytes to socket xxx. About three years ago,,when We fisr started into K12LTSP...i did get the server[ffffffff].it turned out to be we still had a windows server doing dhcp,as well.It came up to the same error message ID'ing the server. I did edit the /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc/lts.conf file to refelct the ip address (eth0),of our server ( not default ip address). My testbed is on a seperate switch,,directly from the K12LTSP server so as to not have any conflict with other network,, "stuff".Is it possible older/firmware versions,,arent smart enough to network boot corretly? This is the translucent "blue" cased IMAC.. Do i need to hand edit any other files,& should the 192.168.0.254 server ip address be left alone?.[ in the ppc/etc/lts.conf folder]. Ive read lots of posts were people dont have any trouble booting the IMACS from either the "N" key or from the boot enet: command line,, Anyone have any ideas?? Thanks, Barry Cisna From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Dec 19 20:06:22 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 14:06:22 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] ppc booting help In-Reply-To: <47499.172.28.8.56.1135021089.squirrel@172.28.8.55> References: <47499.172.28.8.56.1135021089.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Message-ID: <20051219195830.M15779@winonacotter.org> > Apple+Options+f+o. I type at the command line--- boot > enet:serveripaddress. Sometimes I have better luck with command line--- boot enet:serveripaddress,yaboot There is a chance just adding the ,yaboot will help you out. > translucent "blue" cased IMAC.. Chances are your XF86Config file won't work and your Xserver will fail once you get things to boot right. If this is the Indigo (dark blue translucent) there should be a XF86Config-4.indigo file under /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc folder along with sample config in lts.conf for setting that machine to grab the file. Hope that helps. If not it would be helpful to know if you did a single NIC install or if you are running dual NIC install. Also if you changed your IP from the default during installation or post installation. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From brcisna at frontiernet.net Mon Dec 19 18:46:12 2005 From: brcisna at frontiernet.net (brcisna at frontiernet.net) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 18:46:12 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] ppc booting help Message-ID: <20051219184612.y6jmbzzpm2b6sgsg@webmail.frontiernet.net> Hello list, Just done a fresh install of K12LTSP 4.4.1.This is the first time I ve tryed to get IMACS& EMACS to boot up.The firmware version on the IMAC im trying to bootup..is 3.0. At startup, I do the ,,Apple+Options+f+o. I type at the command line--- boot enet:serveripaddress.There is.. approxiamatley 2 min delay,,then i get Server Ip address[ correrct IP address] then a second line server IP address[ ffffffffff] then i get a line of yaboot.conf..This were MAC stops...;( At server,/tail/var/log/messages is showing"load size is too small",error writing 4 bytes to socket xxx. About three years ago,,when We fisr started into K12LTSP...i did get the server[ffffffff].it turned out to be we still had a windows server doing dhcp,as well.It came up to the same error message ID'ing the server. I did edit the /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc/lts.conf file to refelct the ip address (eth0),of our server ( not default ip address). My testbed is on a seperate switch,,directly from the K12LTSP server so as to not have any conflict with other network,, "stuff".Is it possible older/firmware versions,,arent smart enough to network boot corretly? This is the translucent "blue" cased IMAC.. Do i need to hand edit any other files,& should the 192.168.0.254 server ip address be left alone?.[ in the ppc/etc/lts.conf folder]. Ive read lots of posts were people dont have any trouble booting the IMACS from either the "N" key or from the boot enet: command line,, Anyone have any ideas?? Thanks, Barry Cisna From cliebow at midmaine.com Tue Dec 20 00:03:04 2005 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 19:03:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] ppc booting help In-Reply-To: <20051219184612.y6jmbzzpm2b6sgsg@webmail.frontiernet.net> References: <20051219184612.y6jmbzzpm2b6sgsg@webmail.frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <60351.70.33.151.214.1135036984.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> the puke green imacs need a reservation..a bootp address.. > Hello list, > Just done a fresh install of K12LTSP 4.4.1.This is the first time I ve > tryed to get IMACS& EMACS to boot up.The firmware version on the IMAC > im trying to bootup..is 3.0. At startup, I do the ,,Apple+Options+f+o. > I type at the command line--- boot enet:serveripaddress.There is.. > approxiamatley 2 min delay,,then i get Server Ip address[ correrct IP > address] then a second line server IP address[ ffffffffff] then i get a > line of yaboot.conf..This were MAC stops...;( At > server,/tail/var/log/messages is showing"load size is too small",error > writing 4 bytes to socket xxx. About three years ago,,when We fisr > started into K12LTSP...i did get the server[ffffffff].it turned out to > be we still had a windows server doing dhcp,as well.It came up to the > same error message ID'ing the server. I did edit the > /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc/lts.conf file to refelct the ip address (eth0),of our > server ( not default ip address). > My testbed is on a seperate switch,,directly from the K12LTSP server so > as to not have any conflict with other network,, "stuff".Is it possible > older/firmware versions,,arent smart enough to network boot corretly? > This is the translucent "blue" cased IMAC.. > Do i need to hand edit any other files,& should the 192.168.0.254 > server ip address be left alone?.[ in the ppc/etc/lts.conf folder]. > Ive read lots of posts were people dont have any trouble booting the > IMACS from either the "N" key or from the boot enet: command line,, > Anyone have any ideas?? > Thanks, > > Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ahodson at elp.rr.com Tue Dec 20 00:11:55 2005 From: ahodson at elp.rr.com (Alan A Hodson) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 17:11:55 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Sharing TeacherTool In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi folks The Fl_TeacherTool page listed below is very informative and helpful. There are however two parts that perhaps Robert/kind_guru can update for K12LTSP v.4.4.1 new install users: <<<4. The last step is to edit your window manager startup file. I use IceWM for my students. So I edit /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/IceWM >>> IceWM is no longer under Sessions, so the xhost line can not be made part of the #!/bin/bash file... WHERE did it go??? This leads into the 2nd question, in v.4.4.1 (yum updated) how does one set IceWM as the default? The "old" IceWM.desktop change is no longer possible... Cheers Alan Hodson El Paso ISD,TX -=o=- >On 12/17/05, Alan A Hodson wrote: >> Hi folks >> >> I am wanting to give the teacher in charge of the K12LTSP lab (4.4.1) >> at each campus access to TeacherTool without giving them the root >> password. I've tried chmod 771 TeacherTool, adding teacheruser to >> root's group, adding root to teacheruser group and even chgrp >> TeacherTool to teacheruser to no avail. The teacheruser account can >> run and see what apps users are running, but the kill command or the >> logoff command don't work... I could use some help here... > >I have a how-to on my Fl_TeacherTool site which describes how to do this > >See the section "Setting Up Fl_TeacherTool to run with sudo:" > >http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ > >BTW I'm releasing version 0.2 next week. > > >-- >Robert Arkiletian >C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see From ahodson at elp.rr.com Tue Dec 20 00:51:51 2005 From: ahodson at elp.rr.com (Alan A Hodson) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 17:51:51 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] ppc booting help In-Reply-To: <20051219184612.y6jmbzzpm2b6sgsg@webmail.frontiernet.net> References: <20051219184612.y6jmbzzpm2b6sgsg@webmail.frontiernet.net> Message-ID: Barry Have you tried running ? If memory serves, it will log into the eth0 subnet w/o many issues - it may require OS X though, in which case the in system preferences/Startup Disk would be even better... Keep us posted Alan http://links.episd.org -=o=- >Hello list, >Just done a fresh install of K12LTSP 4.4.1.This is the first time I >ve tryed to get IMACS& EMACS to boot up.The firmware version on the >IMAC im trying to bootup..is 3.0. At startup, I do the >,,Apple+Options+f+o. I type at the command line--- boot >enet:serveripaddress.There is.. approxiamatley 2 min delay,,then i >get Server Ip address[ correrct IP address] then a second line >server IP address[ ffffffffff] then i get a line of >yaboot.conf..This were MAC stops...;( At >server,/tail/var/log/messages is showing"load size is too >small",error writing 4 bytes to socket xxx. About three years >ago,,when We fisr started into K12LTSP...i did get the >server[ffffffff].it turned out to be we still had a windows server >doing dhcp,as well.It came up to the same error message ID'ing the >server. I did edit the /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc/lts.conf file to refelct >the ip address (eth0),of our server ( not default ip address). >My testbed is on a seperate switch,,directly from the K12LTSP server >so as to not have any conflict with other network,, "stuff".Is it >possible older/firmware versions,,arent smart enough to network boot >corretly? >This is the translucent "blue" cased IMAC.. >Do i need to hand edit any other files,& should the 192.168.0.254 >server ip address be left alone?.[ in the ppc/etc/lts.conf folder]. >Ive read lots of posts were people dont have any trouble booting the >IMACS from either the "N" key or from the boot enet: command line,, >Anyone have any ideas?? >Thanks, > >Barry Cisna > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Tue Dec 20 01:30:33 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 17:30:33 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Looking for Contributors: California Educational Conference and LTSP / Open Source Software for Education Message-ID: I've just made arrangements to provide two LTSP labs at the Computer Using Educators (CUE / www.cue.org) conference that is held annually in Palm Springs, California. We will be providing between 30 - 40 workstations that will be used for filling out conference evaluations, printing airline boarding passes, and giving sessions on the use of Open Source software in education. There will probably be time for 7 x 1 hour sessions where we can demonstrate Open Source softare that helps educators, including Open Office, Firefox, Moodle, Mambo, Samba, Apache, MySQL, and more. I'm planning on a combination of some formal hands-on sessions and some time when people can just play around and get help. I ran a similar lab this summer in Philadelphia at the NECC show with Jeff Elkner's students, and am hoping someone on the list might like to bring some students who are learning Linux/Open Source programs to help. We'll have a very prominent spot in the exhibit hall and on the program. If you would be interested in giving a presentation, or in bringing students to the show, would you please contact me directly? They would also be really excited about having us add VOIP to the mix, but I don't feel competent in that area. Anyone (Jonathathan? JAM? Erick?) want a venue to demonstrate that? Calling all Asterisk gurus... I'm also going to be looking for hardware suppliers to save me from trying to truck everything from our location. Any suggestions will be welcomed. Thanks, Steve -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.k12computers.com www.technologyrescue.com From sbarar at gmail.com Tue Dec 20 02:03:25 2005 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 07:33:25 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Looking for Contributors: California Educational Conference and LTSP / Open Source Software for Education In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <774593a20512191803y7260f094x141241b6a652c60e@mail.gmail.com> On 12/20/05, Steve Hargadon wrote: [SNIP] > We'll have a very prominent spot in the exhibit hall and on the > program. If you would be interested in giving a presentation, or in > bringing students to the show, would you please contact me directly? > Oh if it were only nearer. We had excellent student volunteer contribution at Foss.In and FreeDel. Steve this is the way to get younger people involved in OpenSource. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From sbarar at gmail.com Tue Dec 20 02:20:14 2005 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 07:50:14 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Hardware Hacking: Share one UPS between two computers In-Reply-To: <9bd317560512181007m2ce51089sfe69956174d4363e@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560512181007m2ce51089sfe69956174d4363e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <774593a20512191820t6bea65d7k45adabe13590ad59@mail.gmail.com> On 12/18/05, Peter Hartmann wrote: > I'm looking to share an APC UPS between to computers with USB in a DIY > fashion. Can't I just splice 2 A male connectors (leaving the 5v + > unconnected) with a female A connector? To be more specific I mean to > connect all the pin 2s to each other; all the pin 3s to each other; > all the pin 4's to each other and leave all the pin 1s unconnected. > I'm trying the UPS to signal the shutdown without networking because > one computer is in the dmz and the other is the LTSP server. > apcupsd.conf file can be used to run other commands as well when an event happens. Like we generated a mail message (and linked it through sms gateway) to admin user when power went off for a long time and system shut down. Can you generate message /command for system two / three so that they can also initiate shutdown? -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From robark at gmail.com Tue Dec 20 04:16:44 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 20:16:44 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Sharing TeacherTool In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 12/19/05, Alan A Hodson wrote: > > <<<4. The last step is to edit your window manager startup file. I > use IceWM for my students. So I edit /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/IceWM >>> > > IceWM is no longer under Sessions, so the xhost line can not be made > part of the #!/bin/bash file... WHERE did it go??? Try putting the xhost line at the end of /etc/profile (make sure you hit enter after the last line) > > This leads into the 2nd question, in v.4.4.1 (yum updated) how does > one set IceWM as the default? The "old" IceWM.desktop change is no > longer possible... See Aug 24/05 thread in this list titled "Isolating IcewWM as the default session in 4.4" -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From robark at gmail.com Tue Dec 20 04:25:56 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 20:25:56 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Shutting down clients ? Message-ID: Assuming you have the ip of a client, is there a command one can issue to shutdown the client? I'm assuming the #shutdown -h now will be directed at the server itself. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From william at fragakis.com Tue Dec 20 04:55:49 2005 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 23:55:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Using ibooks in conjunction with k12LTSP/debianedu Message-ID: <4d3219c53efa49fd437a5bf0471e1077@fragakis.com> > The school I work for is in the process of planning a serious > technology overhaul. Given the recommendations of the independent > consultant the board hired I am preparing to propose getting iBooks > for the older students and the teaching staff, setting up the current > lab of very old PIII dells using K12LTSP (or maybe the debianedu > skolelinux distro??) for the K-4 students, and upgrading our current > authentication/file/mail/web server (current running K12LTSP) to > improve storage space and redundancy, and allow it to rackmount near > the DSL modem so we can use it to proxy our network traffic as well. Take this from someone who's used Macs in 1987 and has a house full of them. Mac OS is even more closed than Windows. It's beautiful, elegant and... proprietary. Consider the following: 1) take a look at the freenx project. It may redefine remote access in your mind. 2) PIIIs from 933 and above can easily serve 3 or 4 clients. From robark at gmail.com Tue Dec 20 05:02:38 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 21:02:38 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Need help with next version of Fl_TeacherTool Message-ID: I have found that when I launch an app for my students with Fl_TT (using "run") the app seems as though it's been run by the person running Fl_TT. For example, if I run xterm for a student. The xterm starts on the students comp but pwd says it's in the home dir of the user (actually $LOGNAME) who is running Fl_TT (the teacher). So if I become root with "su -", then the xterm starts in /root for the student. Thankfully the student has no permissions in this dir so they can't even ls but I would prefer them to start with xterm in their own home. Also the problem is not specific to xterm. Fl_TT basically uses the following line to run an xterm for user johnsmith. #export DISPLAY=ws252.ltsp:0.0 && su johnsmith -c 'xterm &' Is there any modification I could use to fix this problem??? Any help much appreciated. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From carl at snarlnet.com Tue Dec 20 05:39:24 2005 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 21:39:24 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Upgrading to 4.4.1 leaves me with grey screen w/X on the clients Message-ID: <43A7990C.6060100@snarlnet.com> Hello Everyone, Thank you Eric (and others) for your advice about upgrading. I decided to try a real upgrade instead of a clean install. I think everything went pretty well. I had a few dependency issues and 1.2 gigs of yum upgrade after feeding my server the 5 CDs!!! But now my clients hang at the dreaded x cursor on the grey background. I've tried everything in this wiki page: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Troubleshooting-GrayScreen to no avail. And almost everything needed to be changed according to what they listed there. What other applicable conf files are likely to have been hosed in the upgrade? Does anyone know? I still get no results at all from running netstat -anp | grep ":177 " ck From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Dec 20 05:46:53 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 21:46:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Need help with next version of Fl_TeacherTool In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 19 Dec 2005, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > I have found that when I launch an app for my students with Fl_TT > (using "run") the app seems as though it's been run by the person > running Fl_TT. For example, if I run xterm for a student. The xterm > starts on the students comp but pwd says it's in the home dir of the > user (actually $LOGNAME) who is running Fl_TT (the teacher). So if I > become root with "su -", then the xterm starts in /root for the > student. > Thankfully the student has no permissions in this dir so they can't > even ls but I would prefer them to start with xterm in their own home. > Also the problem is not specific to xterm. > > Fl_TT basically uses the following line to run an xterm for user johnsmith. > > #export DISPLAY=ws252.ltsp:0.0 && su johnsmith -c 'xterm &' > > Is there any modification I could use to fix this problem??? Any help > much appreciated. > # export DISPLAY=ws252.ltsp:0.0 && su -l johnsmith -c 'xterm &' ^^ The "-l" makes it a login shell for the user, which should chdir to their home directory, etc: # su eharrison -c pwd /root # su eharrison -l -c pwd /home/eharrison By default "su" nukes environment varibles. The $DISPLAY varible seems to survive, but it might be better to set the $DISPLAY as part of the su command: # su johnsmith -l -c "export DISPLAY=ws252.ltsp:0.0; xterm &" -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Dec 20 05:55:08 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 21:55:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Upgrading to 4.4.1 leaves me with grey screen w/X on the clients In-Reply-To: <43A7990C.6060100@snarlnet.com> References: <43A7990C.6060100@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 19 Dec 2005, Carl Keil wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > Thank you Eric (and others) for your advice about upgrading. I decided to try > a real upgrade instead of a clean install. I think everything went pretty > well. I had a few dependency issues and 1.2 gigs of yum upgrade after feeding > my server the 5 CDs!!! > But now my clients hang at the dreaded x cursor on the grey background. I've > tried everything in this wiki page: > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Troubleshooting-GrayScreen to no > avail. And almost everything needed to be changed according to what they > listed there. > > What other applicable conf files are likely to have been hosed in the upgrade? > Does anyone know? I still get no results at all from running > > netstat -anp | grep ":177 " How exactly did you do the upgrade? By an "upgrade", it is usually meant booting off of disc1 and selecting the "Upgrade" option. It sounds like you used yum to do the upgrade instead. Yum gets the job done, often with a few dependancy headaches as you mention, but does not automatically run the post-install scripts that are executed when you do a "normal" upgrade. Try running this command and reboot: /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/K12Linux-LTSP-initialize -Eric From robark at gmail.com Tue Dec 20 06:04:19 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 22:04:19 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Need help with next version of Fl_TeacherTool In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 12/19/05, Eric Harrison wrote: > > The "-l" makes it a login shell for the user, which should chdir > to their home directory, etc: > > > By default "su" nukes environment varibles. The $DISPLAY varible > seems to survive, but it might be better to set the $DISPLAY as > part of the su command: > > > # su johnsmith -l -c "export DISPLAY=ws252.ltsp:0.0; xterm &" Thanks Eric. It works perfectly now :) -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From rob at esdellecomputers.co.uk Tue Dec 20 11:36:56 2005 From: rob at esdellecomputers.co.uk (Rob Beard) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 11:36:56 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] ppc booting help In-Reply-To: <47499.172.28.8.56.1135021089.squirrel@172.28.8.55> References: <47499.172.28.8.56.1135021089.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Message-ID: <43A7ECD8.6020306@esdellecomputers.co.uk> cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us wrote: >Hello list, >Just done a fresh install of K12LTSP 4.4.1.This is the first time I ve >tryed to get >IMACS& EMACS to boot up.The firmware version on the IMAC im trying to >bootup..is 3.0. At >startup, I do the ,,Apple+Options+f+o. I type at the command line--- boot >enet:serveripaddress.There is.. approxiamatley 2 min delay,,then i get >Server Ip >address[ correrct IP address] then a second line server IP address[ >ffffffffff] then i >get a line of yaboot.conf..This were MAC stops...;( At >server,/tail/var/log/messages is >showing"load size is too small",error writing 4 bytes to socket xxx. About >three years >ago,,when We fisr started into K12LTSP...i did get the server[ffffffff].it >turned out to >be we still had a windows server doing dhcp,as well.It came up to the same >error message >ID'ing the server. I did edit the /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc/lts.conf file to >refelct the ip >address (eth0),of our server ( not default ip address). >My testbed is on a seperate switch,,directly from the K12LTSP server so as >to not have >any conflict with other network,, "stuff".Is it possible older/firmware >versions,,arent >smart enough to network boot corretly? >This is the translucent "blue" cased IMAC.. >Do i need to hand edit any other files,& should the 192.168.0.254 server >ip address be >left alone?.[ in the ppc/etc/lts.conf folder]. >Ive read lots of posts were people dont have any trouble booting the IMACS >from either >the "N" key or from the boot enet: command line,, >Anyone have any ideas?? >Thanks, > >Barry Cisna > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > When you go into Open Firmware and do the boot enet: command, you get up yaboot? I did have a problem myself (although not with K12LTSP) where Yaboot had a limit on how much data it would load up which was causing problems. When I go into OpenFirmware I have to use the command: boot enet:192.168.0.253 where 192.168.0.253 is the address of my DHCP/TFTP server. The only other thing I had to change too was the /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc/lts.conf. I had to alter the server IP address to 192.168.0.253 too. I'm running Yaboot 1.3.13 which I got from: http://penguinppc.org/bootloaders/yaboot/ You'll need to download the yaboot-binary-1.3.13.tar.gz file. Untar it and replace your existing yaboot file with the one in the tar file, or better still, backup your old yaboot file and then try the yaboot file in the tar.gz file. Hope this helps. BTW, I'm using an iMac G3/400, it's the dark blue one, as far as I know, it is a DV version although it doesn't have the DVD drive, it is a slot loading CDROM drive. Rob From ddwelley at msad54.org Tue Dec 20 12:02:42 2005 From: ddwelley at msad54.org (Dan Dwelley) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 07:02:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Moodle configuration Message-ID: <0FFB0C982B6E3944A0BC732B90E2D7940300629D@S3.net.sad54.k12.me.us> I used mysql_setpermission to create it. All the info is correct as far as I know. This is the first time I've installed Moodle. Thanks, Dan ________________________________ From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Paul VanGundy Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 7:32 AM To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Moodle configuration Dan, Did you create the database first using mysqladministrator? If so, did you set the root password for that database? Are you sure you're entering in the proper information? -Paul -- Paul VanGundy Information Technology Director Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us ________________________________ From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Dan Dwelley Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 7:27 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Moodle configuration I'm installing Moodle on my FC4 server and get errors while trying to create the tables. I've created the mysql database but get error 1044 Access denied. I'm not sure why...any thoughts? Thanks, Dan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ddwelley at msad54.org Tue Dec 20 12:53:04 2005 From: ddwelley at msad54.org (Dan Dwelley) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 07:53:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Moodle configuration Message-ID: <0FFB0C982B6E3944A0BC732B90E2D794030062B9@S3.net.sad54.k12.me.us> Ha! I figured it out. I hadn't specified the host. Thanks for the help Paul! Dan ________________________________ From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Paul VanGundy Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 7:32 AM To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Moodle configuration Dan, Did you create the database first using mysqladministrator? If so, did you set the root password for that database? Are you sure you're entering in the proper information? -Paul -- Paul VanGundy Information Technology Director Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us ________________________________ From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Dan Dwelley Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 7:27 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Moodle configuration I'm installing Moodle on my FC4 server and get errors while trying to create the tables. I've created the mysql database but get error 1044 Access denied. I'm not sure why...any thoughts? Thanks, Dan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lists.john at gmail.com Tue Dec 20 16:14:56 2005 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 08:14:56 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Help?: Windows to Samba bulk user add Message-ID: <2be970b50512200814m6607f000tcab85a59a03f8844@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, I am trying to find a way to migrate 800 users file stores from Windows 2k3 AD to Samba. Is there a way to move the data in users file shares without having to create and move each user and directory by hand? I've seen some ldap tools that seem to do this but since I am not using OpenLdap for authentication I am not sure if they would work. TIA! John From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Tue Dec 20 16:45:42 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 08:45:42 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Thin-client Linux Map Has 296 Listings - Discussion Forum Added In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey, we are over 300 listings at the Frappr map at www.k12ltsp.com! Hurrah! -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.k12computers.com www.technologyrescue.com From ascensiontech at gmail.com Tue Dec 20 19:01:00 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:01:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Hardware Hacking: Share one UPS between two computers In-Reply-To: <34A7AE6A-D8A8-478F-8EA9-0A876F4593F9@spitcomp.com> References: <9bd317560512181007m2ce51089sfe69956174d4363e@mail.gmail.com> <96df2e0b0512182342r2e2217a6v@mail.gmail.com> <34A7AE6A-D8A8-478F-8EA9-0A876F4593F9@spitcomp.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560512201101p676d877dx3ce4f61314cc0459@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for all the ideas you guys. I think I'm going going to experiment with a custom serial cable first. > and won't burn out your motherboard > if you mess up. You can't fry anything with a signal. From what I understand serial ports do not provide any power unlike USB and firewire (6 pin only). And then if that doesn't pan out use the master/slave mode and make the master the dmzbox. Apparently you can make the slave poll the master by domain name. ## apcupsd.conf v1.1 ## UPSCABLE ether UPSTYPE net LOCKFILE /var/lock DEVICE server-network-address:3551 UPSCLASS standalone UPSMODE disable NETTIME 10 The only trouble I can foresee would come from the fact that we're using dynamic dns. I'm not exactly sure how long it takes to get updated if our isp hands us a different ip address. But what are the chances of having that coincide with a power outage? > Another route could be to try and copy /dev/tty0 to /dev/tty1 and then > run up the UPS software - see if that works? > Jon, what do you mean by this? Thanks all, Peter On 12/19/05, Andrew Fisk wrote: > Why not just have the dmz box ping the LTSP box and shut it's self down if > it misses 4 or 5 pings? Its quick, easy and won't burn out your motherboard > if you mess up. > > > > Thanks > > Andy > Spitfire Computer Services > 441 Beaver Street > Suite 202 > Sewickley, PA 15143 > Phone (412) 749-0162 > Fax: (412) 749-0203 > andy at spitcomp.com > www.spitcomp.com > > > On Dec 19, 2005, at 2:42 AM, Jon Spriggs wrote: > > On 18/12/05, Peter Hartmann wrote: > I'm looking to share an APC UPS between to computers with USB in a DIY > fashion. Can't I just splice 2 A male connectors (leaving the 5v + > unconnected) with a female A connector? To be more specific I mean to > connect all the pin 2s to each other; all the pin 3s to each other; > all the pin 4's to each other and leave all the pin 1s unconnected. > I'm trying the UPS to signal the shutdown without networking because > one computer is in the dmz and the other is the LTSP server. > > > What do you think, will that work? > > > Peter, > > The correct route is to add a "ShareUPS" device to the mix. The > shareUPS takes a feed from the UPS and then splits out 4 or 5 serial > ports. I don't know the pricing - I just get given them at work! > > Another route could be to try and copy /dev/tty0 to /dev/tty1 and then > run up the UPS software - see if that works? > > Jon > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From julius at turtle.com Tue Dec 20 19:49:54 2005 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:49:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Hardware Hacking: Share one UPS between two In-Reply-To: <1134933173.15944.3.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <9bd317560512181007m2ce51089sfe69956174d4363e@mail.gmail.com> <1134933173.15944.3.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <39924.216.216.171.3.1135108194.squirrel@216.216.171.3> > On Sun, 2005-12-18 at 12:07, Peter Hartmann wrote: >> I'm looking to share an APC UPS between to computers with USB in a DIY >> fashion. Can't I just splice 2 A male connectors (leaving the 5v + >> unconnected) with a female A connector? To be more specific I mean to >> connect all the pin 2s to each other; all the pin 3s to each other; >> all the pin 4's to each other and leave all the pin 1s unconnected. >> I'm trying the UPS to signal the shutdown without networking because >> one computer is in the dmz and the other is the LTSP server. > > That might work with a standard serial port where the ups software > just watched the CD lead to become active but I don't think > you can do it with USB. Maybe you could just connect to your > inside machine and add something in the shutdown sequence to > ssh a shutdown command to the dmz box. > I've been using the APC software - PowerChute on HP-UX computers and it allows you to connect the UPS to one of the servers over serial port and the other servers communicate with the UPS via TCP/IP. That setup works very well despite being rather old. All the servers get information about power events and you can view the UPS interface from all of them. Easoer than hacking hardware. julius From cliebow at midmaine.com Tue Dec 20 23:44:36 2005 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:44:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Help?: Windows to Samba bulk user add In-Reply-To: <2be970b50512200814m6607f000tcab85a59a03f8844@mail.gmail.com> References: <2be970b50512200814m6607f000tcab85a59a03f8844@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <15846.198.51.16.8.1135122276.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> when i migrated users homedirs from a winblows to a samba fileserrver.all idid was make sure usernames matched...mounted the windows directory on to the samba machine and wrote a little script that moved My Documents oer for each user..Ill look for it tomorrow if you need it..the script is basically trivial..chuck Hi all, > > I am trying to find a way to migrate 800 users file stores from > Windows 2k3 AD to Samba. Is there a way to move the data in users file > shares without having to create and move each user and directory by > hand? I've seen some ldap tools that seem to do this but since I am > not using OpenLdap for authentication I am not sure if they would > work. > > TIA! > > John > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From carl at snarlnet.com Wed Dec 21 04:22:57 2005 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 20:22:57 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Upgrading to 4.4.1 leaves me with grey screen, w/X on the clients Message-ID: <43A8D8A1.4060600@snarlnet.com> On Mon, 19 Dec 2005, Carl Keil wrote: >> Hello Everyone, >> >> Thank you Eric (and others) for your advice about upgrading. I decided to try >> a real upgrade instead of a clean install. I think everything went pretty >> well. I had a few dependency issues and 1.2 gigs of yum upgrade after feeding >> my server the 5 CDs!!! >> But now my clients hang at the dreaded x cursor on the grey background. I've >> tried everything in this wiki page: >> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Troubleshooting-GrayScreen to no >> avail. And almost everything needed to be changed according to what they >> listed there. >> >> What other applicable conf files are likely to have been hosed in the upgrade? >> Does anyone know? I still get no results at all from running >> >> netstat -anp | grep ":177 " > > >How exactly did you do the upgrade? > >By an "upgrade", it is usually meant booting off of disc1 and selecting >the "Upgrade" option. It sounds like you used yum to do the upgrade >instead. > >Yum gets the job done, often with a few dependancy headaches as you >mention, but does not automatically run the post-install scripts that >are executed when you do a "normal" upgrade. Try running this command >and reboot: > > /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/K12Linux-LTSP-initialize > > >-Eric Eric, That's some command. It worked like a charm. I upgraded exactly as you suggested. I slapped in the first CD, selected "upgrade". Swapped out 5 CD's, then ran "yum upgrade" afterwards. I'm starting to think that that was a typo on your part. Usually I would run "yum update" after installing stuff off the 5 CD's. Anyway, my server is back to serving now. Still a few unrelated to k12ltsp problems to iron out, (The server does double duty as a LAMP box) but I think it'll be pretty easy now. Thanks to you. I really appreciate your help. ck From carl at snarlnet.com Wed Dec 21 04:29:38 2005 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 20:29:38 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Making an exact, bootable copy of a bootable hard drive Message-ID: <43A8DA32.5030907@snarlnet.com> Hello, I have a k12ltsp v. 4.2.1 server that is acting strangely (see next email). I am wondering if there is a process for duplicating its main hard drive. I have 2 drives in the box, one is a new 120 gig drive for /home and the other is a very old 13 gig drive for everything else. What I'd like to do is copy the 13 gig drive to a newish 40 gig and see if that solves my crashing problem. Is there a way to do this with DD or LVM from a ubuntu live disk, or knoppix or something? How do I make sure I copy all the partitions and boot sectors and all that? The drive is currently windows format, so I need a procedure that takes me from fdisk through rebooting. I've been doing linux for years, but I'm still a newb. I've googled for a procedure and found a few ways to do it for other Linux distros, but not sure if I trust random pages off the internet. TIA, ck From carl at snarlnet.com Wed Dec 21 04:51:11 2005 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 20:51:11 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Random system crashes: Linux gurus, what would you do? Message-ID: <43A8DF3F.6000204@snarlnet.com> I'm sorry if this is considered spamming the list. (3 emails in rapid succession) I just have been slammed with weird problems lately. I promise I've been googling and trying to solve them on my own, but I'm at my wit's end. My k12ltsp 4.2.1 server has been frozen every night when I wake up in the morning. The message, when I can read the screen, usually says: kernel panic - not syncing: fs/dcache.c:413:spin_lock(fs/dcache.c:8837820) already locked by fs/dcache.c/158(not tainted) []error_code+0x4f/0x54 journal_get_write_access do_page_fault ll_rw_block etc. etc. etc. I copied more down, but I'm not sure it helps to troubleshoot this. Googling on parts of this error message quickly got me into threads about the overall instability of the linux kernel lately, rants about Linus' kernel updating philosophy, and some very technical bug reports that I couldn't begin to understand, much less apply to solving my problem. I run fsck as I reboot each morning and sometimes it has to fix some inodes and other times it doesn't. I should say that I tried rolling back to the previous kernel on boot (from the boot menu) and it still crashed. The crashes happen at random times in the early morning. The earliest seems to be about 2AM and the latest was at around 9AM. I can tell when the server crashes because of logs of an every 5 minute cron job that moodle runs. I run my backuppc, webalizer and logwatch processes between 3-5AM daily. The hardware is a "custom" PIII 500 box that is my retired workstation, running 640 megs of RAM from various sources, a 5 year old boot drive, etc. I would say that the hardware is very suspect, but it doesn't, in my mind, account for the server crashing every single night and never during the day, when it gets more use. I should also say that I don't use this computer for serving thin clients, it runs LAMP with a few moodle instances, drupal, wordpress and about 10 different web domains. I believe that my computer was broken into via webmin right before all this started happening(there was an unauthorized login as root from a church in town), but I couldn't find any signs of damage, other than my computer crashed the next day. I have also been having what I call dictionary attacks almost every night, repeated login attempts via various ports and user names via ssh, all from the same IP. But the only validated logins via ssh can all be accounted for as coming from me or a trusted user. So, how do I sort this out? Like I said, I've googled. I've tried different kernels. I've tried warming up the very cold room that the server is in. I've tried restricting services as much as I can. But I'm wondering what real linux pros would do to get to the bottom of this. The server crashes every single night, there has to be a way to figure out what the cause is. Thank you very much for any help you can give me, ck From ssanders at coin.org Wed Dec 21 04:56:47 2005 From: ssanders at coin.org (ssanders at coin.org) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 22:56:47 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Making an exact, bootable copy of a bootable hard drive In-Reply-To: <43A8DA32.5030907@snarlnet.com> References: <43A8DA32.5030907@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: <1135141007.15576.23.camel@bofh.ltsp> Most versions of Knoppix won't (easily) see the LVM partitioning, but if you just want to clone the whole drive, I think dd from any Linux bootable disk would do it. You could use fdisk to dump the existing partitions, but I think dd will do away with that anyway. dd doesn't know or care what formatting/partitioning the destination drive is starting out as, it will write every sector. You can see the drives' device from a root terminal window with: cat /etc/fstab If you do that while booted to LTSP with LVM, you should see things more or less like: /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 / ext3 defaults 1 1 LABEL=/boot /boot ext3 defaults 1 2 /dev/devpts /dev/pts devpts gid=5,mode=620 0 0 >From a Knoppix boot, it should look somewhat like: /dev/hdb1 /mnt/hdb1 ext3 auto, users,exec 0 0 /dev/hdc1 /mnt/hdc1 ext3 auto, users,exec 0 0 The drives need to be unmounted for dd, but it would be wise to mount each drive briefly and make _very sure_ you know which is which. In Knoppix, you can use the desktop icons to view (the LVM one may not display completely). Right-click|unmount then when done looking. When juggling drives in and out, then booting to Knoppix, it can be easy to get them mixed up. There's few things less fun than cloning an empty disk over what you had hoped to back up. Then, copy it over: dd if=/dev/sourcedrive of=/dev/destdrive If you are then planning on placing the new drive in place of the original, make sure master/slave/IDE things are all as before, and it should be just like the original. Hope this helps. From les at futuresource.com Wed Dec 21 05:14:39 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 23:14:39 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Random system crashes: Linux gurus, what would you do? In-Reply-To: <43A8DF3F.6000204@snarlnet.com> References: <43A8DF3F.6000204@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: <1135142079.26676.6.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-12-20 at 22:51, Carl Keil wrote: > I believe that my > computer was broken into via webmin right before all this started > happening(there was an unauthorized login as root from a church in > town), but I couldn't find any signs of damage, other than my computer > crashed the next day. Chances are that parts of your system have been replaced, including versions of ls, ps, and netstat that keep you from seeing anything different. You might try the rootkit hunter http://www.rootkit.nl/projects/rootkit_hunter.html to see if it can identify anything, but the safest approach would be to reinstall from scratch. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Dec 21 05:21:53 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 21:21:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Random system crashes: Linux gurus, what would you do? In-Reply-To: <43A8DF3F.6000204@snarlnet.com> References: <43A8DF3F.6000204@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 20 Dec 2005, Carl Keil wrote: > I'm sorry if this is considered spamming the list. (3 emails in rapid > succession) I just have been slammed with weird problems lately. I promise > I've been googling and trying to solve them on my own, but I'm at my wit's > end. > My k12ltsp 4.2.1 server has been frozen every night when I wake up in the > morning. The message, when I can read the screen, usually says: > > kernel panic - not syncing: fs/dcache.c:413:spin_lock(fs/dcache.c:8837820) > already locked by fs/dcache.c/158(not tainted) > []error_code+0x4f/0x54 > journal_get_write_access > do_page_fault > ll_rw_block > etc. etc. etc. > > I copied more down, but I'm not sure it helps to troubleshoot this. Googling > on parts of this error message quickly got me into threads about the overall > instability of the linux kernel lately, rants about Linus' kernel updating > philosophy, and some very technical bug reports that I couldn't begin to > understand, much less apply to solving my problem. I run fsck as I reboot > each morning and sometimes it has to fix some inodes and other times it > doesn't. > I should say that I tried rolling back to the previous kernel on boot (from > the boot menu) and it still crashed. The crashes happen at random times in > the early morning. The earliest seems to be about 2AM and the latest was at > around 9AM. I can tell when the server crashes because of logs of an every 5 > minute cron job that moodle runs. I run my backuppc, webalizer and logwatch > processes between 3-5AM daily. The hardware is a "custom" PIII 500 box that > is my retired workstation, running 640 megs of RAM from various sources, a 5 > year old boot drive, etc. I would say that the hardware is very suspect, but > it doesn't, in my mind, account for the server crashing every single night and > never during the day, when it gets more use. One thing that happens late at night are the jobs in /etc/cron.daily/ Some of these jobs can chew up a lot of memory. You might want to run memtest on this box to see if you have a bad stick of ram. >I should also say that I don't > use this computer for serving thin clients, it runs LAMP with a few moodle > instances, drupal, wordpress and about 10 different web domains. I believe > that my computer was broken into via webmin right before all this started > happening(there was an unauthorized login as root from a church in town), but > I couldn't find any signs of damage, other than my computer crashed the next > day. If you think your computer may have been broken into, it is best to do a fresh re-install. If a root kit was installed, it would hide the signs of damage and could very well cause stability problems. > I have also been having what I call dictionary attacks almost every > night, repeated login attempts via various ports and user names via ssh, all > from the same IP. But the only validated logins via ssh can all be accounted > for as coming from me or a trusted user. If you keep getting attacked from a specific IP address, it would be a good idea to firewall off that IP. -Eric From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Wed Dec 21 05:27:19 2005 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 21:27:19 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Random system crashes: Linux gurus, what would you do? In-Reply-To: References: <43A8DF3F.6000204@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: <43A8E7B7.4020603@rogueriver.k12.or.us> > If you think your computer may have been broken into, it is best to do > a fresh re-install. If a root kit was installed, it would hide the signs > of damage and could very well cause stability problems. > >> I have also been having what I call dictionary attacks almost every >> night, repeated login attempts via various ports and user names via >> ssh, all from the same IP. But the only validated logins via ssh can >> all be accounted for as coming from me or a trusted user. > > If you keep getting attacked from a specific IP address, it would be a good > idea to firewall off that IP. > > -Eric > First off, I agree that there's a good chance that box is still rooted. Just as in the case of a persistent spyware infestation on a windows machine, your only real hope of being sure that machine's clean is to do a wipe-and-reinstall. With regard to the SSH brute-force attacks you're suffering, unfortunately, that's become increasingly common of late. One tool I use and heartily recommend is fail2ban, available at fail2ban.sourceforge.net The gist of how fail2ban works is that if a given IP address fails ssh logins enough times within a given time period, it adds a DROP rule to iptables for that address for a while. You can easily configure how many failed logins leads to a blacklisting, and also how long the blacklisting lasts. It's a lot of fun to read /var/log/fail2ban.log too =] Cheers, Mike PS: Sample output from my current fail2ban log. Enjoy: 2005-12-20 19:36:43,962 INFO: SSH: 201.140.13.99 has 6 login failure(s) . Banned. 2005-12-20 19:36:44,182 WARNING: SSH: Ban 201.140.13.99 2005-12-20 19:37:52,374 INFO: SSH: 201.140.13.99 has 60 login failure(s ). Banned. 2005-12-20 19:38:48,741 ERROR: SSH: 201.140.13.99 already in ban list 2005-12-20 19:46:44,974 WARNING: SSH: Unban 201.140.13.99 2005-12-20 20:50:59,880 INFO: SSH: 62.148.87.146 has 5 login failure(s) . Banned. 2005-12-20 20:50:59,882 WARNING: SSH: Ban 62.148.87.146 2005-12-20 20:51:56,685 INFO: SSH: 62.148.87.146 has 12 login failure(s ). Banned. 2005-12-20 20:52:47,621 ERROR: SSH: 62.148.87.146 already in ban list 2005-12-20 21:01:00,117 WARNING: SSH: Unban 62.148.87.146 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Dec 21 05:32:44 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 21:32:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] first test build of K12LTSP 4.2.2EL 32bit ISOs Message-ID: I had hoped to have a beta-quality build of K12LTSP 4.2.2EL-32bit ready tonight. That didn't work out, I have not had adequate time for testing. I might not be able to do much more testing for a couple more days. I've done one round of testing and shook out the obvious bugs. It is *probably* in pretty good shape, but without testing that is only an educated guess. If you give these a spin, please let me know of any issues you spot! Temporary location for the test ISOs: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/4.2.2EL-32bit/iso/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/4.2.2EL-32bit/iso/ . -Eric From ascensiontech at gmail.com Wed Dec 21 05:41:30 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 00:41:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Random system crashes: Linux gurus, what would you do? In-Reply-To: <43A8E7B7.4020603@rogueriver.k12.or.us> References: <43A8DF3F.6000204@snarlnet.com> <43A8E7B7.4020603@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <9bd317560512202141l71575a78v2d6f09b36c6884d9@mail.gmail.com> This is a preventative measure and it's pretty simple. But you can change the default ssh port too. In /etc/ssh/sshd_config. Peter On 12/21/05, Mike Ely wrote: > > If you think your computer may have been broken into, it is best to do > > a fresh re-install. If a root kit was installed, it would hide the signs > > of damage and could very well cause stability problems. > > > >> I have also been having what I call dictionary attacks almost every > >> night, repeated login attempts via various ports and user names via > >> ssh, all from the same IP. But the only validated logins via ssh can > >> all be accounted for as coming from me or a trusted user. > > > > If you keep getting attacked from a specific IP address, it would be a good > > idea to firewall off that IP. > > > > -Eric > > > > First off, I agree that there's a good chance that box is still rooted. > Just as in the case of a persistent spyware infestation on a windows > machine, your only real hope of being sure that machine's clean is to do > a wipe-and-reinstall. > > With regard to the SSH brute-force attacks you're suffering, > unfortunately, that's become increasingly common of late. One tool I > use and heartily recommend is fail2ban, available at > fail2ban.sourceforge.net > > The gist of how fail2ban works is that if a given IP address fails ssh > logins enough times within a given time period, it adds a DROP rule to > iptables for that address for a while. You can easily configure how > many failed logins leads to a blacklisting, and also how long the > blacklisting lasts. > > It's a lot of fun to read /var/log/fail2ban.log too =] > > Cheers, > Mike > > PS: Sample output from my current fail2ban log. Enjoy: > > 2005-12-20 19:36:43,962 INFO: SSH: 201.140.13.99 has 6 login failure(s) > . Banned. > 2005-12-20 19:36:44,182 WARNING: SSH: Ban 201.140.13.99 > 2005-12-20 19:37:52,374 INFO: SSH: 201.140.13.99 has 60 login failure(s > ). Banned. > 2005-12-20 19:38:48,741 ERROR: SSH: 201.140.13.99 already in ban list > 2005-12-20 19:46:44,974 WARNING: SSH: Unban 201.140.13.99 > 2005-12-20 20:50:59,880 INFO: SSH: 62.148.87.146 has 5 login failure(s) > . Banned. > 2005-12-20 20:50:59,882 WARNING: SSH: Ban 62.148.87.146 > 2005-12-20 20:51:56,685 INFO: SSH: 62.148.87.146 has 12 login failure(s > ). Banned. > 2005-12-20 20:52:47,621 ERROR: SSH: 62.148.87.146 already in ban list > 2005-12-20 21:01:00,117 WARNING: SSH: Unban 62.148.87.146 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ssanders at coin.org Wed Dec 21 06:03:45 2005 From: ssanders at coin.org (ssanders at coin.org) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 00:03:45 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Random system crashes: Linux gurus, what would you do? In-Reply-To: <43A8DF3F.6000204@snarlnet.com> References: <43A8DF3F.6000204@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: <1135145025.15576.65.camel@bofh.ltsp> On Tue, 2005-12-20 at 20:51 -0800, Carl Keil wrote: > My k12ltsp 4.2.1 server has been frozen every night when I wake up in > the morning. If this were a crucial machine, you should take it offline, clone the drives and work on a copy. If you suspect it has been rooted, the only ultimate solution may be to copy data off and reinstall, but I know about recreating a custom setup that has grown over time. I can't advise you so much on the specific crash messages, but there are several things you can do to minimize outside intrusion. In no particular order: Change the root password of course. This may not be a complete solution, because if you have a trojaned or vulnerable process, he can exploit that again. Block that IP, if you have attempts from one IP. Contact the church, and see if there is a timeframe and check if they can see who might have access to computers there. Configure an upstream firewall if present to blackhole any connections, or edit /etc/hosts.deny or learn more about netfilter/iptables to block (I need to take my own advice on iptables). Check your users. Check who is logged in now with the simple w command. Sophisticated intruders that change the logs can be hard to find, but don't overlook the obvious. There can be users without home directories, so ls /home won't give you a complete picture, but try it quickly anyway. See any users you don't recognize? Check to see when they last logged in with last Dig further into all users with cat /etc/passwd Wow, a pretty big list. Lots of those users are system-supplied and cannot login anyway. You could check to see when they have logged in with the last command, but first it may be easier to narrow it down a bit. By piping a few commands together, you can get a more realistic list: cat /etc/passwd |grep "/home" |cut -d: -f1 See what is listening and talking to the outside. nmap localhost -p 1- will check all 65k ports and be fast on localhost. If someone was able to get netcat installed, the machine could be connecting a root shell out to a netcat listener, usually bypassing any firewall rules. Play around with the netstat command options and see if there is any errant communication. You are using cron, check for any strange entries that might be starting something that you didn't intend. Force your local users' passwords to expire tomorrow with: chage -M 1 username Watch and see who all changes them when the system prompts them upon their next login. A smart attacker wouldn't touch this with a ten foot pole, but many attackers are not smart. These are just some basic system and communication things to check. There are many lower-level system problems that could be hard to find. If you reinstall, consider something like Tripwire, so you can later verify system files. Hope this helps! From hick518 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 21 11:08:16 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 03:08:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Random system crashes: Linux gurus, what would you do? In-Reply-To: <9bd317560512202141l71575a78v2d6f09b36c6884d9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20051221110816.37836.qmail@web32815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If you can do it, block all ssh access except from a few IP ranges that you need. That's what I do. The only people who can even attempt ssh access on my machine are people who share the dynamic IP ranges of the 3 or 4 machines that I typically use. -Rob --- Peter Hartmann wrote: > This is a preventative measure and it's pretty > simple. But you can > change the default ssh port too. In > /etc/ssh/sshd_config. > > > Peter > > On 12/21/05, Mike Ely > wrote: > > > If you think your computer may have been broken > into, it is best to do > > > a fresh re-install. If a root kit was installed, > it would hide the signs > > > of damage and could very well cause stability > problems. > > > > > >> I have also been having what I call dictionary > attacks almost every > > >> night, repeated login attempts via various > ports and user names via > > >> ssh, all from the same IP. But the only > validated logins via ssh can > > >> all be accounted for as coming from me or a > trusted user. > > > > > > If you keep getting attacked from a specific IP > address, it would be a good > > > idea to firewall off that IP. > > > > > > -Eric > > > > > > > First off, I agree that there's a good chance that > box is still rooted. > > Just as in the case of a persistent spyware > infestation on a windows > > machine, your only real hope of being sure that > machine's clean is to do > > a wipe-and-reinstall. > > > > With regard to the SSH brute-force attacks you're > suffering, > > unfortunately, that's become increasingly common > of late. One tool I > > use and heartily recommend is fail2ban, available > at > > fail2ban.sourceforge.net > > > > The gist of how fail2ban works is that if a given > IP address fails ssh > > logins enough times within a given time period, it > adds a DROP rule to > > iptables for that address for a while. You can > easily configure how > > many failed logins leads to a blacklisting, and > also how long the > > blacklisting lasts. > > > > It's a lot of fun to read /var/log/fail2ban.log > too =] > > > > Cheers, > > Mike > > > > PS: Sample output from my current fail2ban log. > Enjoy: > > > > 2005-12-20 19:36:43,962 INFO: SSH: 201.140.13.99 > has 6 login failure(s) > > . Banned. > > 2005-12-20 19:36:44,182 WARNING: SSH: Ban > 201.140.13.99 > > 2005-12-20 19:37:52,374 INFO: SSH: 201.140.13.99 > has 60 login failure(s > > ). Banned. > > 2005-12-20 19:38:48,741 ERROR: SSH: 201.140.13.99 > already in ban list > > 2005-12-20 19:46:44,974 WARNING: SSH: Unban > 201.140.13.99 > > 2005-12-20 20:50:59,880 INFO: SSH: 62.148.87.146 > has 5 login failure(s) > > . Banned. > > 2005-12-20 20:50:59,882 WARNING: SSH: Ban > 62.148.87.146 > > 2005-12-20 20:51:56,685 INFO: SSH: 62.148.87.146 > has 12 login failure(s > > ). Banned. > > 2005-12-20 20:52:47,621 ERROR: SSH: 62.148.87.146 > already in ban list > > 2005-12-20 21:01:00,117 WARNING: SSH: Unban > 62.148.87.146 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From stegil at hotmail.com Wed Dec 21 13:38:41 2005 From: stegil at hotmail.com (steve gilmore) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 08:38:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Making an exact, bootable copy of a bootable hard drive References: <43A8DA32.5030907@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: I have used both Ghost 4Unix (command line) & Ghost 4Linux (gui), available via freshmeat.net. You boot up with this cd and it binary copies + compress (dd + gz) to another drive,ftp site etc.. or restore. You should have a network anonymous ftp site for your backups . I have been saved many times by this . Also your reference to random crashes is exactly what was happening to one of my servers. It was a failed HD. But , a HD thats failing will be harder to binary copy due to bad sectors that will probably be skipped , thus lost data. SteveG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Keil" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 11:29 PM Subject: [K12OSN] Making an exact, bootable copy of a bootable hard drive > Hello, > > I have a k12ltsp v. 4.2.1 server that is acting strangely (see next > email). I am wondering if there is a process for duplicating its main > hard drive. I have 2 drives in the box, one is a new 120 gig drive for > /home and the other is a very old 13 gig drive for everything else. What > I'd like to do is copy the 13 gig drive to a newish 40 gig and see if that > solves my crashing problem. Is there a way to do this with DD or LVM from > a ubuntu live disk, or knoppix or something? How do I make sure I copy > all the partitions and boot sectors and all that? The drive is currently > windows format, so I need a procedure that takes me from fdisk through > rebooting. I've been doing linux for years, but I'm still a newb. I've > googled for a procedure and found a few ways to do it for other Linux > distros, but not sure if I trust random pages off the internet. > > TIA, > > ck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ahodson at elp.rr.com Wed Dec 21 15:53:58 2005 From: ahodson at elp.rr.com (ahodson at elp.rr.com) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 08:53:58 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Package error??? Message-ID: <2ac501b2ac2fe0.2ac2fe02ac501b@texas.rr.com> Folks: The URL: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/4/i386//updates/dhcdbd-1.9-1.FC4.i386.rpm is giving errors when using V.4.4.1 - up2date... Anybody here knows how to fix this? cheers Alan Hodson El Paso ISD, TX -=o=- From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Wed Dec 21 16:02:12 2005 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 10:02:12 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Merry Christmas to all K12LTSPer's Message-ID: <49438.172.28.8.56.1135180932.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Hello ALL, Just wanted to wish everyone a Merry Christmas,and Thanks, to all who have helped in solving many of our K12LTSP,probs.& and advancements etc. I'm wondering what everyones overall concensous is ,as far as "acceptance",of K12LTSP,,in schools as of now? After having rolled out K12LTSP,here in our school 3 years ago,,,I ve found that the old die hards,,and people not at all familiar with Linux/K12LTSP,,does not care for change..even having told them all here is everything in K12LTSP,,as there is in windows,,and then some, The higher ups,,thinks,," if it is free.it cant be very good".. Has anyone run into this,,at your schools? It seems to be the old "marketing ploy",,if you charge someone twice what a product is worth,,most people think, "this product must >really> be good.".hence windows prevails. Example: MS Frontpage= xxx$- Opensource NVU = 0$- what does everyone prefer/MS Frontpage ? The stability,uniformity of K12LTSP,,on ALL desktops,,is what makes it so sweet , I m always hearing( even with roaming profiles in windows),,my icons arent were they were the last time,in Windows etc,,etc,, You know the routine. Guess I should be happy most people are stuck on Windows. Have you heard of "job security"?/maintenance/maintenance...:) Just my 2 cents Thanks & have a good New year!,,:-), Barry From ahodson at elp.rr.com Wed Dec 21 16:18:44 2005 From: ahodson at elp.rr.com (ahodson at elp.rr.com) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:18:44 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Help with YUM error Message-ID: <2ac58152ac622c.2ac622c2ac5815@texas.rr.com> Error day: Error: Missing Dependency: caching-nameserver-ltsp is needed by package k12ltsp-core is coming up now on the yum update command... Help!!! Alan Hodson El Paso ISD, TX -=o=- From lmcpherson at mail.sumner.k12.me.us Wed Dec 21 16:28:49 2005 From: lmcpherson at mail.sumner.k12.me.us (Larry McPherson) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 11:28:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Merry Christmas to all K12LTSPer's In-Reply-To: <49438.172.28.8.56.1135180932.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Message-ID: <4lcmh815lyvzsjt.211220051135@mail> I would agree with your observation. Peninsula School is our proof of concept school and about 85% of all hardware runs on some version of Linux, 10% run Windows, and 5% are Macs. I've deployed one server in a kindergarten room which the teachers/ed-techs love, but I have other stand alone machines that people hate & I suspect these users will continue to hate regardless of what I have to say. The folks that hate K12LTSP recite multiple reasons (MS Office, and educational software that runs on a MAC or Windows machines ---- but not Linux). Some folks would hate anything new -- it seems to be in their nature. I think about 80% of my users will go with the flow - and learn as we deploy OSS. About 15% are diehard Windows or Mac users and take every opportunity to complain about Linux. Five percent just don't care. Our superintendent supports K12LTSP - so we will continue to roll out more desktops and servers running various versions of OSS. Larry -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 11:02 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Merry Christmas to all K12LTSPer's Hello ALL, Just wanted to wish everyone a Merry Christmas,and Thanks, to all who have helped in solving many of our K12LTSP,probs.& and advancements etc. I'm wondering what everyones overall concensous is ,as far as "acceptance",of K12LTSP,,in schools as of now? After having rolled out K12LTSP,here in our school 3 years ago,,,I ve found that the old die hards,,and people not at all familiar with Linux/K12LTSP,,does not care for change..even having told them all here is everything in K12LTSP,,as there is in windows,,and then some, The higher ups,,thinks,," if it is free.it cant be very good".. Has anyone run into this,,at your schools? It seems to be the old "marketing ploy",,if you charge someone twice what a product is worth,,most people think, "this product must >really> be good.".hence windows prevails. Example: MS Frontpage= xxx$- Opensource NVU = 0$- what does everyone prefer/MS Frontpage ? The stability,uniformity of K12LTSP,,on ALL desktops,,is what makes it so sweet , I m always hearing( even with roaming profiles in windows),,my icons arent were they were the last time,in Windows etc,,etc,, You know the routine. Guess I should be happy most people are stuck on Windows. Have you heard of "job security"?/maintenance/maintenance...:) Just my 2 cents Thanks & have a good New year!,,:-), Barry _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Wed Dec 21 16:32:26 2005 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 10:32:26 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] hard drive SCSI vs IDE-opinions Message-ID: <49802.172.28.8.56.1135182746.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Hello List, I was wanting to get opinions on the performance increase of going from IDE to SCSI.interface. I've never had to worry much about this till recently. This school year I set up,,our own mail server ( Postfix/Dovecot/Squirrelmail/amavisd/clamav),, [works like a charm].. and now that we have all staff members using it,we are running into the following scenario. The three secretaries mass email out dailey announcements( about 350 users). So,, after they mass email it pulls down the email server for almost 10 mins.to were it is unaccessable.So hence as soon as this happens,,,phone rings>>"email is down yada,,yada". Actually it is only unaccesable for 30 mins,,out of the entire day,,,but non the less i hear about it:(.. I can see at the server the HD is running non-stop for this 10 minute time frame processing the outgoing emails. Ive tryed to encourage the secs..to just copy/paste,,announcments into the message body,,so as to not have attachemnts for the server to scan..but not gonna happen,,i dont think. This server does have onboard SCSI(promise) i beleive, but for some reason ( at the time),,I could not get K12LTSP to install correctly with SCCI,,enabled,,so i just cabled to the IDE interface. What will I be up against if ( over xmas vacation)if i merelry recable the HD's to the SCSI interface/enable onboard SCSI, and reboot the box. Im guessing im going to not be bootable,,with out manually reconfiguring GRUB somehow?:(. The server is: 1 gig single processor/Intel ,2 gig ram( maxed), dual 120 gig Hds 10/100 nics onboard, promise onboard SCSI TX-100( i think). I did run the linux disk access utilty on each drive but can remember what the numbers/speed were on this? If i attempt this,does anyone think this will resolve this "pull down to nothing" situation,,of the server / I know there are values that can be altered,,in Postfix,,as far as max processes,,etc,,,but Id like to leave these at defaults. I'm sure someone out there has run into this same snafoo.. Thanks for any input,,, Barry From ascensiontech at gmail.com Wed Dec 21 16:52:39 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 11:52:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Help with YUM error In-Reply-To: <2ac58152ac622c.2ac622c2ac5815@texas.rr.com> References: <2ac58152ac622c.2ac622c2ac5815@texas.rr.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560512210852v2cacb7b6q5257f40593abd45@mail.gmail.com> What happens when you try and satisfy it?( ie. yum install caching-nameserver-ltsp) My prediction is a conflict with the native caching-nameserver. I had to do this: rpm -e caching-nameserver yum install caching-nameserver-ltsp Peter On 12/21/05, ahodson at elp.rr.com wrote: > Error day: > > Error: Missing Dependency: caching-nameserver-ltsp is needed by package > k12ltsp-core > > is coming up now on the yum update command... > > Help!!! > > Alan Hodson > El Paso ISD, TX > -=o=- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From mll at mtwp.net Wed Dec 21 16:55:26 2005 From: mll at mtwp.net (Mike Lichtenwalner) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 11:55:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] hard drive SCSI vs IDE-opinions In-Reply-To: <49802.172.28.8.56.1135182746.squirrel@172.28.8.55> References: <49802.172.28.8.56.1135182746.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Message-ID: <43A988FE.5080909@mtwp.net> cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us wrote: > This school year I set up,,our own mail server ( > Postfix/Dovecot/Squirrelmail/amavisd/clamav),, [works like a charm].. and > now that we have all staff members using it,we are running into the > following scenario. > The three secretaries mass email out dailey announcements( about 350 > users). So,, after they mass email it pulls down the email server for > almost 10 mins.to were it is unaccessable.So hence as soon as this > happens,,,phone rings>>"email is down yada,,yada". I had a similar problem. Our environment is qmail, amavisd, ClamAV, Courier-IMAP, and IMP with nearly 700 users. The solution to the SMTP scanning slowdown was to leave qmail, amavisd and ClamAV on the existing server and install Courier-IMAP and IMP on a new server. Home directories are located on the new server for fast IMAP access and they are NFS mounted to the SMTP server so that it can make local deliveries. The "illusion" that makes this work is that even if scanning is slow, people can still access their messages because they are using IMAP on a different server. The only slowness a user will see is message delivery won't be instantaneous during the mass mailings. (We've always used SCSI disks on mail servers, so I can't comment about speed increases by switching disks.) > What will I be up against if ( over xmas vacation)if i merelry recable > the HD's to the SCSI interface/enable onboard SCSI, and reboot the box. I'm not a hardware expert, but I'm pretty sure that SCSI disks and IDE disks have completely different interfaces. To attach a disk to a SCSI controller, you would need to purchase a SCSI disk - an IDE disk won't work. Mike _________________________________ Mike Lichtenwalner Technology Specialist Manheim Township School District Lancaster, PA From les at futuresource.com Wed Dec 21 17:10:30 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 11:10:30 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] hard drive SCSI vs IDE-opinions In-Reply-To: <49802.172.28.8.56.1135182746.squirrel@172.28.8.55> References: <49802.172.28.8.56.1135182746.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Message-ID: <1135185030.6101.11.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-12-21 at 10:32, cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us wrote: > The three secretaries mass email out dailey announcements( about 350 > users). So,, after they mass email it pulls down the email server for > almost 10 mins.to were it is unaccessable.So hence as soon as this > happens,,,phone rings>>"email is down yada,,yada". If they send 350 individual messages from some client software you could probably eliminate the problem by making an alias on the server with the address list and having them send one message to that group address. Or you could run something like mailman to handle the list on the server so someone else could manage the addresses easily - and you could make it 'moderated' if you don't want other people to be able to send to the group. > What will I be up against if ( over xmas vacation)if i merelry recable > the HD's to the SCSI interface/enable onboard SCSI, and reboot the box. Im > guessing im going to not be bootable,,with out manually reconfiguring GRUB > somehow?:(. You'd have to rebuild the initrd image with the right scsi driver to make that work. An easier approach would be to add a scsi disk with a new partition that you could mount as /var or perhaps as the directory where postfix holds the outbound queue. > I know there are values that can be altered,,in Postfix,,as far as max > processes,,etc,,,but Id like to leave these at defaults. There are reasons you have configuration options - not everyone has default needs. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Wed Dec 21 17:16:57 2005 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 11:16:57 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] hard drive SCSI vs IDE-opinions Message-ID: <51266.172.28.8.56.1135185417.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Hello list, Sorry for repeatdly making the same.misinformation,, I ment to say in this post RAID vs IDE this mobo,,has builtin,, RAID support Sorry for not being more accurate. Barry From nick.hadgis at gmail.com Wed Dec 21 17:28:30 2005 From: nick.hadgis at gmail.com (Nick Hadgis) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:28:30 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] hard drive SCSI vs IDE-opinions In-Reply-To: <49802.172.28.8.56.1135182746.squirrel@172.28.8.55> References: <49802.172.28.8.56.1135182746.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Message-ID: <400d33020512210928v2d34fa9k455f3677e7e13fb3@mail.gmail.com> If I'm reading this correctly your mail server scanning internal email for spam/viruses. Is there anyway to disable spam/virus checks for internal email? Sounds like this is causing your performance issue. If your client virus definitions are kept up to date there's not much of a risk of viruses spreading via email. If anyone within your organization is sending spam to other internal users, then a proverbial smack on the side of the head should fix the problem. This is what we did at my last comany. We had 2 SMTP servers which handled internet email, scanning incoming internet email for spam & viruses, but only scanned internet outbound email for virues. Internal email was not scanned, we never had an issue with viruses spreading via internal email. user1 at yourdomain -> user2 at yourdomain - not scanned for viruses or spam user1 at yourdomain -> user at someinternetaddress - scanned for viruses only user at someinternetaddress -> user1 at yourdomain - scanned for viruses and spam -Nick On 12/21/05, cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us wrote: > > Hello List, > > I was wanting to get opinions on the performance increase of going from > IDE to SCSI.interface. I've never had to worry much about this till > recently. > This school year I set up,,our own mail server ( > Postfix/Dovecot/Squirrelmail/amavisd/clamav),, [works like a charm].. and > now that we have all staff members using it,we are running into the > following scenario. > The three secretaries mass email out dailey announcements( about 350 > users). So,, after they mass email it pulls down the email server for > almost 10 mins.to were it is unaccessable.So hence as soon as this > happens,,,phone rings>>"email is down yada,,yada". > Actually it is only unaccesable for 30 mins,,out of the entire day,,,but > non the less i hear about it:(.. > I can see at the server the HD is running non-stop for this 10 minute time > frame processing the outgoing emails. > Ive tryed to encourage the secs..to just copy/paste,,announcments into the > message body,,so as to not have attachemnts for the server to scan..but > not gonna happen,,i dont think. > This server does have onboard SCSI(promise) i beleive, but for some reason > ( at the time),,I could not get K12LTSP to install correctly with > SCCI,,enabled,,so i just cabled to the IDE interface. > What will I be up against if ( over xmas vacation)if i merelry recable > the HD's to the SCSI interface/enable onboard SCSI, and reboot the box. Im > guessing im going to not be bootable,,with out manually reconfiguring GRUB > somehow?:(. > The server is: > 1 gig single processor/Intel ,2 gig ram( maxed), dual 120 gig Hds > 10/100 nics onboard, promise onboard SCSI TX-100( i think). > I did run the linux disk access utilty on each drive but can remember what > the numbers/speed were on this? > If i attempt this,does anyone think this will resolve this "pull down to > nothing" situation,,of the server / > I know there are values that can be altered,,in Postfix,,as far as max > processes,,etc,,,but Id like to leave these at defaults. > I'm sure someone out there has run into this same snafoo.. > > Thanks for any input,,, > > Barry > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Then you'll have to 1. make sure that all your users exist on the Samba machine (either by writing a little script or using some other method, such as 'net rpc vampire') 2. make sure that the Linux users own their proper home directories Something like this should do the trick, *if* your users' home dirs have the same names as the usernames, and *if* your users are regular Linux users (in the /etc/passwd file instead of LDAP, for example): $ cd /home $ for hdir in `ls | sed 's/\///'`; do grep -q "^$hdir:" /etc/passwd && echo chowning $hdir && chown -R $hdir:users $hdir; done 3. make sure the Linux users have proper permissions to their home directories $ chmod -R u=rwX,g=,o= /home/* This should get you on your way, though if you have different usernames in Linux, or if the user's homedirs don't match their usernames, you've got to do more complex things than these. --matt > From: cliebow at midmaine.com > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Help?: Windows to Samba bulk user add > > when i migrated users homedirs from a winblows to a samba fileserrver.all > idid was make sure usernames matched...mounted the windows directory on to > the samba machine and wrote a little script that moved My Documents oer > for each user..Ill look for it tomorrow if you need it..the script is > basically trivial..chuck > Hi all, > > > > I am trying to find a way to migrate 800 users file stores from > > Windows 2k3 AD to Samba. Is there a way to move the data in users file > > shares without having to create and move each user and directory by > > hand? I've seen some ldap tools that seem to do this but since I am > > not using OpenLdap for authentication I am not sure if they would > > work. > > > > TIA! > > > > John -- Open Source Software Engineering Consultant http://majen.net/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Wed Dec 21 18:12:34 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 12:12:34 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] hard drive SCSI vs IDE-opinions In-Reply-To: <49802.172.28.8.56.1135182746.squirrel@172.28.8.55> References: <49802.172.28.8.56.1135182746.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Message-ID: The machine really should only need to scan the message once because they are sending the same message. The problem is that they are (probably) sending multiple messages to everyone instead of putting all the recipients in the to, cc, or bcc field of one email. An even better solution would be a server side mailing list, like this one!!! From rgromen at aol.com Wed Dec 21 18:55:02 2005 From: rgromen at aol.com (rgromen at aol.com) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 13:55:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Setup problems Message-ID: <8C7D4772F325C5E-1D00-8E40@MBLK-M37.sysops.aol.com> I have loaded K12LTSP 4.4.1 on a Compaq P@ computer. When I start the server, NFS mountd fails to load. I can load mountd by stopping nfs and then starting it. Is the somthing missing from the initalization scripts? When trying to connect to the sever from a Compaq P@ workstation, the workstation screen displays TFTP..... then the following message is displayed "TFTP Open Timeout". How do I determine the problem. I checked that TFTP is running. The server was created with a firewall. 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Any how to would be great ,,a how to with integrating this into a windows active directory environment would be especially good. thanks From william at fragakis.com Wed Dec 21 19:25:17 2005 From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:25:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] RAID advice In-Reply-To: <20051221170047.31D9A73594@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20051221170047.31D9A73594@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <3d6492a1f8af920eac4d12669d5bc453@fragakis.com> We are building our first mondo server (dual core P4 3.0 ghz) and I wanted some ideas on what (and how) directories to put on the RAID (striped for speed, we have a file server elsewhere). I have a separate disk for the boot directory since I'll be using a fake SATA RAID on the motherboard. We want to serve about 35-40 desktops with the set up. Thoughts, suggestions? TIAA and Happy Holidays, William Fragakis morrisbrandon.com A holiday note of appreciation to all. The K12LTSP project has made a world of difference to the students and teachers at our school. From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Dec 21 19:27:59 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 11:27:59 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Help with YUM error In-Reply-To: <2ac58152ac622c.2ac622c2ac5815@texas.rr.com> References: <2ac58152ac622c.2ac622c2ac5815@texas.rr.com> Message-ID: <43A9ACBF.60006@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> ahodson at elp.rr.com wrote: > Error day: > > Error: Missing Dependency: caching-nameserver-ltsp is needed by package > k12ltsp-core > > is coming up now on the yum update command... > > Help!!! > I just saw this on one of my servers as well. For me it was a caching problem. Flushing out the yum cache fixed it: yum clean all yum update -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Is the somthing missing from the initalization scripts? > > When trying to connect to the sever from a Compaq P@ workstation, the > workstation screen displays TFTP..... then the following message is > displayed "TFTP Open Timeout". How do I determine the problem. I checked > that TFTP is running. The server was created with a firewall. > > Thanks for your assistance > > Rich Gromen > Cherry Hill Board of Education > Information Technology > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From kevin at twofoos.com Wed Dec 21 22:01:19 2005 From: kevin at twofoos.com (Kevin) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:01:19 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] VLC on K12LTSP 4.4.1 Message-ID: <43A9D0AF.50709@twofoos.com> Greetings, I am rebuilding some K12LTSP installations our school district currently maintains and gearing up to take an entire school building 95%+ with linux terminals. Part of the requirements for the installation are .wmv and .qt capable plugins for mozilla/firefox and a stand-alone video playback application. I have chosen vlc (VideoLan-Client) because of it's cross-platform nature. It is use on our Win and OSX systems already and will provide a fairly transparent experience for the user. All of this being said, I am having a monster of a time installing it. Installing from an RPM gives a huge laundry list of missing lib dependencies and installing through yum (by adding the appropriate freshmeat.repo) results in the following error msg: file /etc/yum.repos.d/freshrps.repo from install of freshrpms-release-1.1-1.fc conflicts with file from package k12ltsp-release-4.4.1-1 I have done my best to search for a resolution but have come up empty. Hopefully someone on the list has some experience in this area and can guide me. Else, I am willing to resolve the listed dependencies on a case by case basis. Suggestions? Kevin Lisowski From les at futuresource.com Wed Dec 21 22:23:12 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 16:23:12 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] VLC on K12LTSP 4.4.1 In-Reply-To: <43A9D0AF.50709@twofoos.com> References: <43A9D0AF.50709@twofoos.com> Message-ID: <1135203792.6101.76.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-12-21 at 16:01, Kevin wrote: > Greetings, > I am rebuilding some K12LTSP installations our school district currently > maintains and gearing up to take an entire school building 95%+ with > linux terminals. Part of the requirements for the installation are .wmv > and .qt capable plugins for mozilla/firefox and a stand-alone video > playback application. > > I have chosen vlc (VideoLan-Client) because of it's cross-platform > nature. It is use on our Win and OSX systems already and will provide a > fairly transparent experience for the user. > > All of this being said, I am having a monster of a time installing it. > Installing from an RPM gives a huge laundry list of missing lib > dependencies and installing through yum (by adding the appropriate > freshmeat.repo) results in the following error msg: > > file /etc/yum.repos.d/freshrps.repo from install of > freshrpms-release-1.1-1.fc conflicts with file from package > k12ltsp-release-4.4.1-1 > > I have done my best to search for a resolution but have come up empty. > Hopefully someone on the list has some experience in this area and can > guide me. Else, I am willing to resolve the listed dependencies on a > case by case basis. Suggestions? Enable the livna repository in yum and: yum install vlc The fedora extras repository must also be enabled, and you may have to remove anything that conflicts that you have installed from other repositories, including freshrpms. Livna and extras are built so they don't conflict and livna's dependencies can be resolved by core and extras packages. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From scott at hosef.org Wed Dec 21 22:26:19 2005 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 12:26:19 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Random system crashes: Linux gurus, what would you do? In-Reply-To: <20051221110816.37836.qmail@web32815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051221110816.37836.qmail@web32815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43A9D68B.2090505@hosef.org> Rob Owens wrote: > If you can do it, block all ssh access except from a > few IP ranges that you need. That's what I do. The > only people who can even attempt ssh access on my > machine are people who share the dynamic IP ranges of > the 3 or 4 machines that I typically use. > > -Rob Setting AllowUsers and/or AllowGroups will further help to control access. --scott From scott at hosef.org Wed Dec 21 22:28:44 2005 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 12:28:44 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Making an exact, bootable copy of a bootable hard drive In-Reply-To: References: <43A8DA32.5030907@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: <43A9D71C.90906@hosef.org> steve gilmore wrote: > I have used both Ghost 4Unix (command line) & Ghost 4Linux (gui), > available via freshmeat.net. You boot up with this cd and it binary > copies + compress (dd + gz) to another drive,ftp site etc.. or restore. > You should have a network anonymous ftp site for your backups . I have > been saved many times by this . Also your reference to random crashes is > exactly what was happening to one of my servers. It was a failed HD. > But , a HD thats failing will be harder to binary copy due to bad > sectors that will probably be skipped , thus lost data. > SteveG Another great imaging option is Systemimager. It uses rsync, you can make customizable boot floppies, and, well, it rocks. http://www.systemimager.org/ --scott From cliebow at midmaine.com Thu Dec 22 02:14:43 2005 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:14:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] configuration help In-Reply-To: <091400CA0B9FCA458659C2631E7820AA02849E@eafile2.erskine.net> References: <091400CA0B9FCA458659C2631E7820AA02849E@eafile2.erskine.net> Message-ID: <53068.70.33.151.214.1135217683.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> check the wiki under windows integration http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WinIntegration..chuck i use only single nnic installs with alt dhcp so as not to disturb exisying configuration..conflagration..whatever.. > I'm sure this is posted somewhere, but I am new to the forum and I have > been looking for a while. Is there a how to of a single nic and a dual > nic setup for a k12ltsp server. Any how to would be great ,,a how to with > integrating this into a windows active directory environment would be > especially good. thanks > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From robark at gmail.com Thu Dec 22 02:50:48 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 18:50:48 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] VLC on K12LTSP 4.4.1 In-Reply-To: <43A9D0AF.50709@twofoos.com> References: <43A9D0AF.50709@twofoos.com> Message-ID: On 12/21/05, Kevin wrote: > Greetings, > I am rebuilding some K12LTSP installations our school district currently > maintains and gearing up to take an entire school building 95%+ with > linux terminals. Part of the requirements for the installation are .wmv > and .qt capable plugins for mozilla/firefox and a stand-alone video > playback application. You can get the codecs here http://mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html > > I have chosen vlc (VideoLan-Client) because of it's cross-platform > nature. It is use on our Win and OSX systems already and will provide a > fairly transparent experience for the user. > On a sad note there are forces at play to hinder FOSS like VideoLAN. Although I don't understand the details. This is my take. The EU is adopting a similar DMCA type law, the EUCD. But as an addition in France (lobbied by big media) they are also adding an addendum which makes DRM mandatory for distributed media. Let's hope this doesn't pass. http://www.videolan.org/eucd.html Basically it's going to make it difficult to use libdvdcss which one needs to play DVD's. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From sbarar at gmail.com Thu Dec 22 04:44:50 2005 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 10:14:50 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] RAID advice In-Reply-To: <3d6492a1f8af920eac4d12669d5bc453@fragakis.com> References: <20051221170047.31D9A73594@hormel.redhat.com> <3d6492a1f8af920eac4d12669d5bc453@fragakis.com> Message-ID: <774593a20512212044h1a21a83cyb39e909854816cc4@mail.gmail.com> On 12/22/05, William Fragakis wrote: > We are building our first mondo server (dual core P4 3.0 ghz) and I > wanted some ideas on what (and how) directories to put on the RAID > (striped for speed, we have a file server elsewhere). I have a separate > disk for the boot directory since I'll be using a fake SATA RAID on the > motherboard. We want to serve about 35-40 desktops with the set up. > IMHO With /home elsewhere on nfs what benefits are expected from raid? A SCSI drive may be better bet IAC than SATA (raid or no raid) -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From jam at mcquil.com Thu Dec 22 04:52:54 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 23:52:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] RAID advice In-Reply-To: <774593a20512212044h1a21a83cyb39e909854816cc4@mail.gmail.com> References: <20051221170047.31D9A73594@hormel.redhat.com> <3d6492a1f8af920eac4d12669d5bc453@fragakis.com> <774593a20512212044h1a21a83cyb39e909854816cc4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43AA3126.3030509@McQuil.com> Sudev Barar wrote: > On 12/22/05, William Fragakis wrote: > >> We are building our first mondo server (dual core P4 3.0 ghz) and I >> wanted some ideas on what (and how) directories to put on the RAID >> (striped for speed, we have a file server elsewhere). I have a separate >> disk for the boot directory since I'll be using a fake SATA RAID on the >> motherboard. We want to serve about 35-40 desktops with the set up. >> >> > > IMHO > With /home elsewhere on nfs what benefits are expected from raid? A > SCSI drive may be better bet IAC than SATA (raid or no raid) > Here's a benefit for using raid..... UPTIME! With raid, if a drive fails, the system keeps running. without raid, it dies a horrible death, and the users are sitting there wondering what to do. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org > -- > Sudev Barar > Learning Linux > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From sbarar at gmail.com Thu Dec 22 04:56:31 2005 From: sbarar at gmail.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 10:26:31 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] RAID advice In-Reply-To: <43AA3126.3030509@McQuil.com> References: <20051221170047.31D9A73594@hormel.redhat.com> <3d6492a1f8af920eac4d12669d5bc453@fragakis.com> <774593a20512212044h1a21a83cyb39e909854816cc4@mail.gmail.com> <43AA3126.3030509@McQuil.com> Message-ID: <774593a20512212056tc28a607x8d26c0e4d5958518@mail.gmail.com> On 12/22/05, Jim McQuillan wrote: > > > Sudev Barar wrote: > > On 12/22/05, William Fragakis wrote: > > > >> We are building our first mondo server (dual core P4 3.0 ghz) and I > >> wanted some ideas on what (and how) directories to put on the RAID > >> (striped for speed, we have a file server elsewhere). I have a separate > >> disk for the boot directory since I'll be using a fake SATA RAID on the > >> motherboard. We want to serve about 35-40 desktops with the set up. > > > > IMHO > > With /home elsewhere on nfs what benefits are expected from raid? A > > SCSI drive may be better bet IAC than SATA (raid or no raid) > > > > Here's a benefit for using raid..... UPTIME! > > With raid, if a drive fails, the system keeps running. without raid, it > dies a horrible death, and the users are sitting there wondering what to do. > Point for Jim.... :-) With caveat that you have build raid to be able to boot from either disk. Jim..the OP was looking for speed increase and so my question. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 22 11:08:08 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 03:08:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Merry Christmas to all K12LTSPer's In-Reply-To: <49438.172.28.8.56.1135180932.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Message-ID: <20051222110808.8274.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us wrote: > The higher ups,,thinks,," if it is free.it cant be > very good".. > Has anyone run into this,,at your schools? > It seems to be the old "marketing ploy",,if you > charge someone twice what > a product is worth,,most people think, "this product > must >really> be > good.".hence windows prevails. > Example: MS Frontpage= xxx$- Opensource NVU = 0$- > what does everyone > prefer/MS Frontpage ? Maybe Eric would be good enough to sell your school a copy of K12LTSP. That way the administration will know they're getting something good. Ooh, and maybe he could give you a 50% discount for being an educational institution, that way the administration will be satisfied that they've gotten a good deal! Seriously, I think this is what it takes to convince some people. I've read some articles online about the difficulty people have had giving away linux live cd's and such. I've been thinking of trying this little experiment: 1) Order about 50 Ubuntu cd's (they will ship them to you for free) 2) Try giving them away. 3) Later on, try selling them. 4) Count how many cd's were unloaded during steps 2 and 3... -Rob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From petre at maltzen.net Thu Dec 22 15:04:28 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 09:04:28 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] RAID advice In-Reply-To: <43AA3126.3030509@McQuil.com> References: <20051221170047.31D9A73594@hormel.redhat.com> <3d6492a1f8af920eac4d12669d5bc453@fragakis.com> <774593a20512212044h1a21a83cyb39e909854816cc4@mail.gmail.com> <43AA3126.3030509@McQuil.com> Message-ID: <43AAC07C.9080703@maltzen.net> Jim McQuillan wrote: > > > Sudev Barar wrote: > >> On 12/22/05, William Fragakis wrote: >> >> >>> We are building our first mondo server (dual core P4 3.0 ghz) and I >>> wanted some ideas on what (and how) directories to put on the RAID >>> (striped for speed, we have a file server elsewhere). I have a separate >>> disk for the boot directory since I'll be using a fake SATA RAID on the >>> motherboard. We want to serve about 35-40 desktops with the set up. >>> >>> >> >> >> IMHO >> With /home elsewhere on nfs what benefits are expected from raid? A >> SCSI drive may be better bet IAC than SATA (raid or no raid) >> > > > Here's a benefit for using raid..... UPTIME! > > With raid, if a drive fails, the system keeps running. without raid, it > dies a horrible death, and the users are sitting there wondering what to > do. > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > But he's talking about striping (RAID 0), not mirroring (RAID 1). If he stripes, and one of the drives dies, the system will die. That's why RAID 5, striping & parity, makes so much sense if you have enough disks If he's only got two disks, I'd go with RAID 1, mirroring, to get the redundancy and uptime. Petre From lists.john at gmail.com Thu Dec 22 15:35:56 2005 From: lists.john at gmail.com (john) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 07:35:56 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Help?: Windows to Samba bulk user add (cliebow@midmaine.com) In-Reply-To: <20051221180340.GA25783@majen.net> References: <20051221170047.0949273592@hormel.redhat.com> <20051221180340.GA25783@majen.net> Message-ID: <2be970b50512220735v72da9a69k7d22e357f7ce56a4@mail.gmail.com> Matt and Chuck thanks for the advice! I REALLY appreciate it. This is just what I am looking for. John On 12/21/05, Matt Oquist wrote: > If I were you I'd just use rsync. So what you want to do is go to the > Samba server and do something like this: > $ mkdir -p /mnt/tmp > $ mount -t smbfs -o username=windersuser,password=winderspw //windersserver/sharename /mnt/tmp > > Then do something like this: > $ rsync -avu /mnt/tmp/ /home/ > > The "-u" in the rsync command ensures that even if you stop the rsync > command and have to start it again, it won't re-copy everything it's > already copied. > > Then you'll have to > 1. make sure that all your users exist on the Samba machine (either by writing a little script or using some other method, such as 'net rpc vampire') > 2. make sure that the Linux users own their proper home directories > Something like this should do the trick, *if* your users' home dirs > have the same names as the usernames, and *if* your users are > regular Linux users (in the /etc/passwd file instead of LDAP, for > example): > $ cd /home > $ for hdir in `ls | sed 's/\///'`; do grep -q "^$hdir:" /etc/passwd && echo chowning $hdir && chown -R $hdir:users $hdir; done > 3. make sure the Linux users have proper permissions to their home directories > $ chmod -R u=rwX,g=,o= /home/* > > This should get you on your way, though if you have different > usernames in Linux, or if the user's homedirs don't match their > usernames, you've got to do more complex things than these. > > --matt > > > From: cliebow at midmaine.com > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Help?: Windows to Samba bulk user add > > > > when i migrated users homedirs from a winblows to a samba fileserrver.all > > idid was make sure usernames matched...mounted the windows directory on to > > the samba machine and wrote a little script that moved My Documents oer > > for each user..Ill look for it tomorrow if you need it..the script is > > basically trivial..chuck > > Hi all, > > > > > > I am trying to find a way to migrate 800 users file stores from > > > Windows 2k3 AD to Samba. Is there a way to move the data in users file > > > shares without having to create and move each user and directory by > > > hand? I've seen some ldap tools that seem to do this but since I am > > > not using OpenLdap for authentication I am not sure if they would > > > work. > > > > > > TIA! > > > > > > John > -- > Open Source Software Engineering Consultant > http://majen.net/ > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFDqZj83kS9TYiZBvMRAgxbAKCZUBBc8PlVuKVCABurgr+19BG/hgCgkbwQ > Hq4VackhgrGba97WMgChXh0= > =h0oM > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From ddwelley at msad54.org Thu Dec 22 16:03:29 2005 From: ddwelley at msad54.org (Dan Dwelley) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 11:03:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] GD not working with Moodle Message-ID: <0FFB0C982B6E3944A0BC732B90E2D794027F429E@S3.net.sad54.k12.me.us> Hello all. I'm having trouble with GD in Moodle. GD is installed but doesn't show as being packaged with PHP thus it will not work in Moodle. CAn anyone help me figure this thing out? Thanks, in advance! Dan From dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us Thu Dec 22 16:21:15 2005 From: dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 08:21:15 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] GD not working with Moodle In-Reply-To: <0FFB0C982B6E3944A0BC732B90E2D794027F429E@S3.net.sad54.k12.me.us> References: <0FFB0C982B6E3944A0BC732B90E2D794027F429E@S3.net.sad54.k12.me.us> Message-ID: <43AAD27B.9050106@mesd.k12.or.us> Dan Dwelley wrote: > I'm having trouble with GD in Moodle. GD is installed but doesn't > show as being packaged with PHP thus it will not work in Moodle. CAn > anyone help me figure this thing out? Have you installed php-gd also? -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From ddwelley at msad54.org Thu Dec 22 16:54:57 2005 From: ddwelley at msad54.org (Dan Dwelley) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 11:54:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] GD not working with Moodle References: <0FFB0C982B6E3944A0BC732B90E2D794027F429E@S3.net.sad54.k12.me.us> <43AAD27B.9050106@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <0FFB0C982B6E3944A0BC732B90E2D794027F42A0@S3.net.sad54.k12.me.us> Hmmm...good question...I'll take a look! ________________________________ From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Dan Young Sent: Thu 12/22/2005 11:21 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] GD not working with Moodle Dan Dwelley wrote: > I'm having trouble with GD in Moodle. GD is installed but doesn't > show as being packaged with PHP thus it will not work in Moodle. CAn > anyone help me figure this thing out? Have you installed php-gd also? -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3948 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ddwelley at msad54.org Thu Dec 22 16:57:25 2005 From: ddwelley at msad54.org (Dan Dwelley) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 11:57:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] GD not working with Moodle References: <0FFB0C982B6E3944A0BC732B90E2D794027F429E@S3.net.sad54.k12.me.us> <43AAD27B.9050106@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <0FFB0C982B6E3944A0BC732B90E2D794027F42A1@S3.net.sad54.k12.me.us> That was it! I knew it had to be something simple! Thanks Dan!! Merry Christmas! ________________________________ From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Dan Young Sent: Thu 12/22/2005 11:21 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] GD not working with Moodle Dan Dwelley wrote: > I'm having trouble with GD in Moodle. GD is installed but doesn't > show as being packaged with PHP thus it will not work in Moodle. CAn > anyone help me figure this thing out? Have you installed php-gd also? -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Our prob is when our secretaries(3),,each mass email,, 350 users,,the dailey announcments,,our mail server is pulled down to nothing for about 10 mins. As someone suggested here,,i should be able to bypass..local mail scanning which makes sense to me,,,,,duuuhhhh me..:). I know amavisd-new " hijacks" spamassain configs,,and if i try and bypass spam scanning in spamassasin for our domain,,SA,,still s ans our intranet emails. Just thought maybe soemone here has tryed to do the same thing,,im trying to setup.. Using: Postfix/Dovecot/Amavisd-new/Spamassasin/clamav Thanks,, Barry Cisna From hackl at bsd.sk.ca Thu Dec 22 19:36:40 2005 From: hackl at bsd.sk.ca (Ryan Hackl - Spiritwood High) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 12:36:40 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] k12LTSP with W2K3 data folders... Message-ID: <20051222185605.M86323@bsd.sk.ca> Good day! At our school, we have an existing set of workstations (~70) that authenticate via W2K3 server (ADS). I have an LTSP server with ~60 clients, and now need to have the users be able to access their windows home folders. I've already set up authentication through the ADS; users can type in their AD username/password combination and log on to the LTSP server. Users can save information in their LTSP home folders (but then not access them from the Windows workstations). I need some help setting up the W2K3 server (and/or the LTSP server) so that users can access their Windows data folders through the LTSP clients. Any help is greatly appreciated... - Ryan Hackl Spiritwood High School Spiritwood, SK CANADA From cliebow at midmaine.com Thu Dec 22 21:14:04 2005 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:14:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] k12LTSP with W2K3 data folders... In-Reply-To: <20051222185605.M86323@bsd.sk.ca> References: <20051222185605.M86323@bsd.sk.ca> Message-ID: <31014.169.244.70.148.1135286044.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> i used pam_mount for ayear before getting a dedicated linux fileserver. this might help..chuck > Good day! > > At our school, we have an existing set of workstations (~70) that > authenticate via W2K3 server (ADS). I have an LTSP server with ~60 > clients, > and now need to have the users be able to access their windows home > folders. > > I've already set up authentication through the ADS; users can type in > their > AD username/password combination and log on to the LTSP server. Users can > save information in their LTSP home folders (but then not access them from > the Windows workstations). I need some help setting up the W2K3 server > (and/or the LTSP server) so that users can access their Windows data > folders > through the LTSP clients. > > Any help is greatly appreciated... > > - Ryan Hackl > Spiritwood High School > Spiritwood, SK CANADA > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Dec 22 22:07:04 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 14:07:04 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Beta #1 of K12LTSP 4.2.2EL 32bit Message-ID: <43AB2388.1030002@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> I have completed the basic testing of the 32bit version of K12LTSP 4.2.2EL. All looks good. I'm declaring this build to be beta #1. If all tests pass, this will be the official 4.2.2EL release. If you want to help out, here is what I have left to test: * Install/Upgrade: * upgrade from previous versions * add/remove software * Upgraded applications: * blender * bluefish * celestia * childsplay * firefox * gcompris * gperiodic * icewm * inkscape * ltsp_esound_server * meld * qcad * root-desktop-urls * schoolbell * schooltool * scribus * tuxpaint ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/4.2.2EL-32bit/iso/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/4.2.2EL-32bit/iso/ . -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From brcisna at frontiernet.net Thu Dec 22 23:43:15 2005 From: brcisna at frontiernet.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 17:43:15 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] A good network discover program- NTOP- Message-ID: <000701c60751$7aec4dd0$01fea8c0@brcHOST> Hello List, Just thought Id throw this out,for someone,,that might be looking for a good network" discovery tool" . I found this about a year ago,and havent found anything better,for doing a general mapping of your lan. It has support for Fibre..etc.It even ID's HP printers, WAP's.etc with their on icons for easy visual's trying to decipher,,what all you have conglomerated,,on your network.If you are like me,,and are vague on documenting IP address/MAC's etc,,this is pretty handy. Im sure there are others out there comparible to NTOP.. There is an rpm, that works for FC2-3-4..and I got it to install without whinning for any other dependencies! Just install the RPM,, run the commandline one time,, its started then point your browser to,,, localhost:3000 & view your network. I m sure many here have heard about it,or are using it,but maybe some havent.. Hope this helps someone,,, Take Care,,,, Barry From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Thu Dec 22 23:45:02 2005 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:45:02 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] A good network discover program- NTOP- In-Reply-To: <000701c60751$7aec4dd0$01fea8c0@brcHOST> References: <000701c60751$7aec4dd0$01fea8c0@brcHOST> Message-ID: <43AB3A7E.8070708@rogueriver.k12.or.us> !!!!! Barry, Thank you! I've been trying to think of just such a thing! Heh, wow. I had ntop running on my personal web node, but it was thrashing the machine. This will work perfectly in here! And a very happy New Year to you, sir. Mike Barry R Cisna wrote: > Hello List, > > Just thought Id throw this out,for someone,,that might be looking for a good > network" discovery tool" . I found this about a year ago,and havent found > anything better,for doing a general mapping of your lan. It has support for > Fibre..etc.It even ID's HP printers, WAP's.etc with their on icons for easy > visual's trying to decipher,,what all you have conglomerated,,on your > network.If you are like me,,and are vague on documenting IP address/MAC's > etc,,this is pretty handy. Im sure there are others out there comparible to > NTOP.. There is an rpm, that works for FC2-3-4..and I got it to install > without whinning for any other dependencies! > Just install the RPM,, run the commandline one time,, its started then point > your browser to,,, localhost:3000 & view your network. > I m sure many here have heard about it,or are using it,but maybe some > havent.. > Hope this helps someone,,, > Take Care,,,, > > Barry > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Fri Dec 23 00:03:21 2005 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:03:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] A good network discover program- NTOP- In-Reply-To: <000701c60751$7aec4dd0$01fea8c0@brcHOST> References: <000701c60751$7aec4dd0$01fea8c0@brcHOST> Message-ID: <1135296201.16443.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> What's the name of the program? I've read this four times and don't see the name of the applicatoin you are talking about. Either you forgot to mention it or I'm just reading way too fast....which is possible. :) -Paul -- Paul VanGundy Information Technology Director Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Registered Linux User #398783 On Thu, 2005-12-22 at 17:43 -0600, Barry R Cisna wrote: > Hello List, > > Just thought Id throw this out,for someone,,that might be looking for a good > network" discovery tool" . I found this about a year ago,and havent found > anything better,for doing a general mapping of your lan. It has support for > Fibre..etc.It even ID's HP printers, WAP's.etc with their on icons for easy > visual's trying to decipher,,what all you have conglomerated,,on your > network.If you are like me,,and are vague on documenting IP address/MAC's > etc,,this is pretty handy. Im sure there are others out there comparible to > NTOP.. There is an rpm, that works for FC2-3-4..and I got it to install > without whinning for any other dependencies! > Just install the RPM,, run the commandline one time,, its started then point > your browser to,,, localhost:3000 & view your network. > I m sure many here have heard about it,or are using it,but maybe some > havent.. > Hope this helps someone,,, > Take Care,,,, > > Barry > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Fri Dec 23 00:05:44 2005 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:05:44 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] A good network discover program- NTOP- In-Reply-To: <1135296201.16443.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <000701c60751$7aec4dd0$01fea8c0@brcHOST> <1135296201.16443.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <43AB3F58.6090602@rogueriver.k12.or.us> NTOP or ntop Ntop rules. apt-get install ntop, run it once interactively, then use a browser to go to http://servername:3000 and behold all the information that's there. It will be a lot. Mike Paul VanGundy wrote: > What's the name of the program? I've read this four times and don't see > the name of the applicatoin you are talking about. Either you forgot to > mention it or I'm just reading way too fast....which is possible. :) > > -Paul > From vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Fri Dec 23 00:16:52 2005 From: vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us (Paul VanGundy) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:16:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] INCONSISTENT PACKAGE/APT-GET Message-ID: <1135297012.16443.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> All, I am having an issue with one of our Ubuntu 5.10 desktops and apt-get. A recently installed program, Rosegarden 4, was removed from the computer. However, it left a damaged package, lilypond-data, behind and I can't uninstall it. It keeps saying it is damaged, inconsistent and that I need run dpkg --configure -a which I do and still it doesn't fix the inconsistency. I then try apt-get remove lilypond-data and that doesn't seem to work either. I've used the -f and -m switches with apt-get also to try and remove the package with no luck. I've even gone through Synaptic without any luck. Because of this problem package I am unable to do any updates on the computer and I can't install/remove anymore programs. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks in advance -Paul -- Paul VanGundy Information Technology Director Epping High School Epping Middle School P: 603.679.5472 F: 603.679.2966 vangundypw at sau14.k12.nh.us Registered Linux User #398783 From carl at snarlnet.com Fri Dec 23 00:22:13 2005 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:22:13 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Random system crashes: Linux gurus, what would you do? Message-ID: <43AB4335.3050800@snarlnet.com> On Tue, 2005-12-20 at 22:51, Carl Keil wrote: >> I believe that my >> computer was broken into via webmin right before all this started >> happening(there was an unauthorized login as root from a church in >> town), but I couldn't find any signs of damage, other than my computer >> crashed the next day. > > Les Mikesell wrote: >Chances are that parts of your system have been replaced, including >versions of ls, ps, and netstat that keep you from seeing >anything different. You might try the rootkit hunter >http://www.rootkit.nl/projects/rootkit_hunter.html to >see if it can identify anything, but the safest approach >would be to reinstall from scratch. I tried the rootkit hunter and it turned up absolutely no trace of a rootkit. I know this isn't definitive, but I think I'm going to cross my fingers and hope for the best. I've changed the root password, and now I turn webmin on via ssh when I need it and shut it down when I'm through. Thanks for suggesting this program. I'm beginning to suspect that the hacking and the crashing are just an odd coincidence. Eric Harrison Wrote: >One thing that happens late at night are the jobs in /etc/cron.daily/ >Some of these jobs can chew up a lot of memory. > >You might want to run memtest on this box to see if you have a bad >stick of ram. This was it! I ran memtest and it turned up 4000 errors on one stick of ram before it was even 30% through. I replaced that stick and I've 2 days of uptime since. Yay! Thank you very much. Happy Holidays! ck From les at futuresource.com Fri Dec 23 00:31:00 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:31:00 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Random system crashes: Linux gurus, what would you do? In-Reply-To: <43AB4335.3050800@snarlnet.com> References: <43AB4335.3050800@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: <1135297860.2461.5.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2005-12-22 at 18:22, Carl Keil wrote: > I tried the rootkit hunter and it turned up absolutely no trace > of a rootkit. I know this isn't definitive, but I think I'm > going to cross my fingers and hope for the best. I've changed > the root password, and now I turn webmin on via ssh when I need > it and shut it down when I'm through. Thanks for suggesting > this program. I'm beginning to suspect that the hacking and > the crashing are just an odd coincidence. One other thing you might want to try for additional peace of mind is ntop (http://www.ntop.org). Among other things, it will track connections to other sites and the ports used. It is common for rootkits to establish connections back to some controlling site and supply a doctored netstat that won't show it. Even if it doesn't show any hacking it provides some interesting summaries of network use. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Dec 23 00:59:37 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:59:37 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Beta #1 of K12LTSP 4.2.2EL 64bit Message-ID: <43AB4BF9.2000404@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> I believe I have the firefox/PDF crash problem resolved. I'm declaring this build to be beta #1. If all tests pass, this will be the official 4.2.2EL (64bit) release. If you want to help out, here is what I have left to test: * Upgrade: since this will be the first 64bit version, are there any upgrade issues that need to be considered? * Install: add/remove software * Upgraded applications: * blender * bluefish * celestia * childsplay * firefox * gcompris * gperiodic * icewm * inkscape * ltsp_esound_server * meld * qcad * root-desktop-urls * schoolbell * schooltool * scribus * tuxpaint ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.2EL-64bit/iso/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-4.2.2-64bit-test/iso/ . -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From brcisna at frontiernet.net Fri Dec 23 01:23:22 2005 From: brcisna at frontiernet.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:23:22 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] A good network discover program- NTOP- Message-ID: <000d01c6075f$77d08680$01fea8c0@brcHOST> Paul,, Program name is "NTOP" Give it a spin! Take Care,,, Barry From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Fri Dec 23 09:00:21 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 09:00:21 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] A good network discover program- NTOP- In-Reply-To: <000701c60751$7aec4dd0$01fea8c0@brcHOST> References: <000701c60751$7aec4dd0$01fea8c0@brcHOST> Message-ID: <43ABBCA5.7030902@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Barry R Cisna wrote: > Hello List, > > Just thought Id throw this out,for someone,,that might be looking for a good > network" discovery tool" . I found this about a year ago,and havent found > anything better,for doing a general mapping of your lan. It has support for > Fibre..etc.It even ID's HP printers, WAP's.etc with their on icons for easy > visual's trying to decipher,,what all you have conglomerated,,on your > network.If you are like me,,and are vague on documenting IP address/MAC's > etc,,this is pretty handy. Im sure there are others out there comparible to > NTOP.. There is an rpm, that works for FC2-3-4..and I got it to install > without whinning for any other dependencies! > Just install the RPM,, run the commandline one time,, its started then point > your browser to,,, localhost:3000 & view your network. > I m sure many here have heard about it,or are using it,but maybe some > havent.. > Hope this helps someone,,, > Take Care,,,, > > Barry > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > What command did you issue on the command line ?, it'll give me a start rather then plowing through the man page :-) Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From scott at hosef.org Fri Dec 23 10:04:58 2005 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 00:04:58 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] A good network discover program- NTOP- In-Reply-To: <43ABBCA5.7030902@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <000701c60751$7aec4dd0$01fea8c0@brcHOST> <43ABBCA5.7030902@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <43ABCBCA.3060909@hosef.org> Brian Chivers wrote: > What command did you issue on the command line ?, it'll give me a start > rather then plowing through the man page :-) ntop -L -u ntop -i eth0 -w 3000 -d -L = log to syslog -u = run as user ntop -i = user interface eth0. comma separate for more interfaces -w = enable web server over port 3000 -d = run as a daemon This tool is so very, very powerful. > > Brian --scott From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Fri Dec 23 10:23:06 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 10:23:06 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] A good network discover program- NTOP- In-Reply-To: <43ABCBCA.3060909@hosef.org> References: <000701c60751$7aec4dd0$01fea8c0@brcHOST> <43ABBCA5.7030902@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <43ABCBCA.3060909@hosef.org> Message-ID: <43ABD00A.4080207@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> R. Scott Belford wrote: > Brian Chivers wrote: > >> What command did you issue on the command line ?, it'll give me a >> start rather then plowing through the man page :-) > > > ntop -L -u ntop -i eth0 -w 3000 -d > > -L = log to syslog > -u = run as user ntop > -i = user interface eth0. comma separate for more interfaces > -w = enable web server over port 3000 > -d = run as a daemon > > This tool is so very, very powerful. > >> >> Brian > > > --scott > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > Thanks I'll have a play over Christmas break Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From les at futuresource.com Fri Dec 23 13:24:15 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 07:24:15 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] A good network discover program- NTOP- In-Reply-To: <43ABBCA5.7030902@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <000701c60751$7aec4dd0$01fea8c0@brcHOST> <43ABBCA5.7030902@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <1135344255.6511.1.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2005-12-23 at 03:00, Brian Chivers wrote: > > > What command did you issue on the command line ?, it'll give me a start rather then plowing through > the man page :-) If you install the rpm you should be able to: service ntop start but there is something special I've forgotten about starting it the first time where you have to give it a password. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From scott at hosef.org Fri Dec 23 19:18:37 2005 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 09:18:37 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] A good network discover program- NTOP- In-Reply-To: <1135344255.6511.1.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <000701c60751$7aec4dd0$01fea8c0@brcHOST> <43ABBCA5.7030902@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <1135344255.6511.1.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <43AC4D8D.7000800@hosef.org> Les Mikesell wrote: > On Fri, 2005-12-23 at 03:00, Brian Chivers wrote: >> >> >> What command did you issue on the command line ?, it'll give me a start rather then plowing through >> the man page :-) > > If you install the rpm you should be able to: > service ntop start > but there is something special I've forgotten about starting > it the first time where you have to give it a password. > There is probably something that I don't know. I did a debian stable install. /etc/init.d/ntop start did not activate the service, or at least it was not accessible via port 3000. In launching it interactively I was asked to input an admin password, and everything is working well. --scott From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Dec 23 21:29:57 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 13:29:57 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Postfix/Amavisd-new help? In-Reply-To: <41167.172.28.8.56.1135273272.squirrel@172.28.8.55> References: <41167.172.28.8.56.1135273272.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Message-ID: <43AC6C55.9040604@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us wrote: > Hello List, > > This is ,sort of, a repost of my post here of a couple days ago, > Can anyone familiar with Postfix/Amavisd-new give me a howto,,on bypassing > local(localdomain), email virus/spam scanning? > I have the Amavisd-new webmin plugin,for webmin,, but im not quite sure > what i need to mod,,to bypass local/intranet mail scanning. > I looked through the amavisd.conf file and am not sure how to > decipher,,some of the comments in there,as well.:(. > The actual amavisd-new website does not mention any howtos,on actually > bypassing scanning for ..a particular domaninname. > Our prob is when our secretaries(3),,each mass email,, 350 users,,the > dailey announcments,,our mail server is pulled down to nothing for about > 10 mins. > As someone suggested here,,i should be able to bypass..local mail scanning > which makes sense to me,,,,,duuuhhhh me..:). > I know amavisd-new " hijacks" spamassain configs,,and if i try and bypass > spam scanning in spamassasin for our domain,,SA,,still s ans our intranet > emails. > Just thought maybe soemone here has tryed to do the same thing,,im trying > to setup.. > Using: Postfix/Dovecot/Amavisd-new/Spamassasin/clamav > > Thanks,, > > Barry Cisna > Hi Barry, First, an answer to your question: If I read your email correctly, you are looking for the bypass_spam_checks_acl and bypass_virus_checks_acl parameters. The HOWTO is at http://www.ijs.si/software/amavisd/README.lookups Perhaps something such as this would do the trick: @bypass_spam_checks_acl qw( 1.2.3.0/24 127.0.0.0/8 10.0.0.0/8 172.16.0.0/12 192.168.0.0/16 ); @bypass_virus_checks_acl qw( 1.2.3.0/24 127.0.0.0/8 10.0.0.0/8 172.16.0.0/12 192.168.0.0/16 ); where "1.2.3.0/24" is replaced with the IP range for your network. A tip: the email above is hard to read and the formating is a bit random. I had to re-read it several times. I have found that I get quicker, more accurate responses when I take a few extra minutes to ask clear, easy to read questions. The easier you make it for people to help, the more likely they are to help ;-) -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From robark at gmail.com Sat Dec 24 08:54:27 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 00:54:27 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Fl_TeacherTool 0.2 Released Message-ID: http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ Here is the release notes: Fl_TeacherTool 0.2 released Dec 24, 2005 New Features: -Distribute file to users -Reset VNCreflector menu item (Handy when teachers mistakenly logout of vnc) -Cleaner column formatting for data -VNCreflector windows are upgraded from 64 to 256 colours with no slowdown -Application icon -Simpler installation procedure -Fl_TeacherTool is now becomming a part of K12LTSP Bug fixes: -running applications for users was sending the wrong home path. Thanks Eric H. -VNCreflector button sometimes needed two clicks to start for all selected users -Messages would not be sent properly with certain characters -Messages sometimes failed to be sent -Removed pause hack for logging off users Requested Features: Although multiple server support has been requested by some people, I have not added it. Here are my reasons 1. I discovered it would require an almost complete rewrite of my code 2. vncreflector (a very popular feature) would not work at the remote site since by default most K12LTSP servers have a firewall on eth1, not to mention the xhost issue gets more complicated. 3. I don't have enough time to do it. See my wife for confirmation. -There is a simple work around for 2 servers. Just install the freenx server on the remote server with yum and install the nx client from http://www.nomachine.com on the local server. Then run Fl_TeacherTool remotely through an NX session. Oh yah you will have to setup ssh keys. Here is a good site. http://www.arches.uga.edu/~pkeck/ssh/ Just make sure you request encryption on the client so nx tunnels through ssh. It is very easy to open up ssh on eth1 with system-config-securitylevel. Yes, I know, you will have two Fl_TeacherTool windows to manage but that's not so bad. I welcome any developers who have FLTK experience to contribute. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From robark at gmail.com Sun Dec 25 03:21:19 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 19:21:19 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Fl_TeacherTool 0.2 Released In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 12/24/05, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ > Here is the release notes: > Fl_TeacherTool 0.2 > released Dec 24, 2005 > Thought people might like to know that I'm going to release 0.21 soon (maybe a week) to address some security issues and some potential bug fixes. Eric is helping me fix things. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From ae.roy at operamail.com Sun Dec 25 09:13:02 2005 From: ae.roy at operamail.com (ae roy roy) Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 10:13:02 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Security of Flash drive in thin client. Message-ID: <20051225091302.EEEC923D1D@ws5-3.us4.outblaze.com> I've successfully managed to get my usb flashdrives working with ltsp 4.1, using the howto in http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LocalMedia and the mail to the list from Shawn Austin: https://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2005-May/msg00721.html It works very well, thank you. I only have one question; security. The way this is working now, once the Flash drive is in thin client, everyone on the network has access to it. Is there anyway that I can prevent that? Maybe limit access to the user currently logged in, or maybe setup some form of authentication (I'm using LDAP). ae.roy -- _______________________________________________ Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: Download Opera 8 at http://www.opera.com Powered by Outblaze From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Dec 25 18:42:06 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 10:42:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Fl_TeacherTool 0.2 Released In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, 24 Dec 2005, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 12/24/05, Robert Arkiletian wrote: >> http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ >> Here is the release notes: >> Fl_TeacherTool 0.2 >> released Dec 24, 2005 >> > > Thought people might like to know that I'm going to release 0.21 soon > (maybe a week) to address some security issues and some potential bug > fixes. Eric is helping me fix things. The only serious security issue is a "documentation bug". Step 4 of the install instructions say to add "xhost +192.168.0.254" to the end of /etc/profile. That is not necessary with Fl_TeacherTool 0.2 and "xhost" is a big security hole. If you have installed Fl_TeacherTool, just remove the "xhost +192.168.0.254" line from /etc/profiles. I created packages for Fl_TeacherTool and added them to the K12LTSP repositories for anyone who wants to play with it. It is pretty slick ;-) yum install fl_teachertool -Eric From trond at maehlum.net Mon Dec 26 10:26:00 2005 From: trond at maehlum.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_M=E6hlum?=) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 11:26:00 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp, esd flash hack and stability In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8280878B-FE59-4B19-B8DF-283BD821EC83@maehlum.net> I remember, some time ago, that implementing the esd-flash-hack caused some stability problems. Is this still true? I find that esd works best for me. I get sound out of most applications that way. I can't really see that, creating or recreating the /tmp/.esd/socket file should cause problems for some programs... But in a production system, with over 2000 users, I wouldn't want to use "buggy" software... Therefore the question. Is this hack now concidered safe? Best Regards Trond Maehlum From ascensiontech at gmail.com Mon Dec 26 16:14:47 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 11:14:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] I need to make Flash work faster....wanna pitch In-Reply-To: References: <42ca1e1a8c40b57873e0cca8c8d9fd9f@fragakis.com> <9bd317560512071120i1d715515s71f05a6c1b531877@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560512260814h7bac4a28x6aec97ebbe5200d2@mail.gmail.com> > I'm not sure if this is useful or not, but flash does save preferences > in ~/.macromedia > > It is all binary files, but you might be able to set up one user > the way you want and copy .macromedia to all of the other user's > home directories (and /etc/skel). I had some hopes for this but I'm at a dead end now. I downloaded an .sol editor, which is for windoz and mac only :( http://www.alexisisaac.net/content/view/16/28/ to manipulate the .sol files in the .macromedia folder. Unfortunately, I'm thinking this file extension is appropriately named. Not that I'm ruling out manipulating the quality setting with the .sol files, but the quality setting seems to be done with a flash ActionScript that's a part of each game.swf that is played. _quality = "LOW"; I tried changing the quality of a game and then looking for some change in the .sol files but I couldn't find anything. Anyone have any experience editing these .sol files? Thanks, Peter On 12/7/05, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Wed, 7 Dec 2005, Peter Hartmann wrote: > > >> 2) When just the animation in its own window is up, you can right click > >> on it and select the "quality". It comes at "high quality" which is > >> easy to understand why - the backgrounds are in gradients, etc. > >> Reducing the quality to low, drops the CPU use to about 6-8% iirc. I'm > >> not sure why I couldn't do this in the original window - I'm not sure > >> if the animation was in a layer or you just can't do it if it's > >> embedded in html and not standing alone. > > > > > > Good sleuthing William. When I play the game in it's own window it > > goes from 42% to 26% when switching from high to low. That's pretty > > dramatic. > > > > > >> Does anyone > >> know of a way to force Flash Player preferences? > > > > There must be a way. I'd love to know how to do it! > > > > I'm not sure if this is useful or not, but flash does save preferences > in ~/.macromedia > > It is all binary files, but you might be able to set up one user > the way you want and copy .macromedia to all of the other user's > home directories (and /etc/skel). > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > I'm not sure if this is useful or not, but flash does save preferences > in ~/.macromedia > > It is all binary files, but you might be able to set up one user > the way you want and copy .macromedia to all of the other user's > home directories (and /etc/skel). From gKw-X at shaw.ca Mon Dec 26 23:49:14 2005 From: gKw-X at shaw.ca (NONE NONE) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 15:49:14 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] New amer.com switch troubles Message-ID: Hello, I just got the new amer.com switches and hooked them all up, and now things aren't working. I have checked all the connections, it's wired correctly, but none of the student pcs will boot to linux anymore. Here is the setup: Server goes into port 1 of sgd8 (8x1000meg ports) Port 2 of sgd8 goes into port 25 of sr24g2 (24*100meg, 2*1000meg) Various ports from 1-24 of sr24g2 go into the student pcs One problem I can see is that the connection from the server into the sgd8 is listed as 100meg on the switch itself, even though the server can put out 1000meg. I think maybe the card in the server is configured to put out something wrong. How can I check what it is putting out and how can I change it? I assume it should be putting out 1000meg full duplex. Here is what ethtool says: Supported ports: [ TP ] Supported link modes: 10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full 100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full 1000baseT/Full Supports auto-negotiation: Yes Advertised link modes: 10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full 100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full 1000baseT/Full Advertised auto-negotiation: Yes Speed: 100Mb/s Duplex: Full Port: Twisted Pair PHYAD: 0 Transceiver: internal Auto-negotiation: on Supports Wake-on: umbg Wake-on: g Current message level: 0x00000007 (7) Link detected: yes I tried running this: ethtool -s eth0 duplex full speed 1000 But ethtool still says the same thing as pasted above, and the switch still says 100meg speed. Also, all of the lights on the switches are just flashing like crazy. Thank you for any help, it is much appreciated! And merry christmas! From gKw-X at shaw.ca Tue Dec 27 00:13:14 2005 From: gKw-X at shaw.ca (NONE NONE) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 16:13:14 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] New amer.com switch troubles Message-ID: Update: Found the problem of the lights flickering. Everything boots up to linux fine now, the only problem is that the server is still forcing itself to 100meg speed. How do I tell it to go at 1000meg? ----- Original Message ----- From: NONE NONE Date: Monday, December 26, 2005 3:49 pm Subject: [K12OSN] New amer.com switch troubles > Hello, > > I just got the new amer.com switches and hooked them all up, and > now things aren't working. I have checked all the connections, it's > wired correctly, but none of the student pcs will boot to linux > anymore. > Here is the setup: > > Server goes into port 1 of sgd8 (8x1000meg ports) > Port 2 of sgd8 goes into port 25 of sr24g2 (24*100meg, 2*1000meg) > Various ports from 1-24 of sr24g2 go into the student pcs > > One problem I can see is that the connection from the server into > the sgd8 is listed as 100meg on the switch itself, even though the > server can put out 1000meg. I think maybe the card in the server is > configured to put out something wrong. How can I check what it is > putting out and how can I change it? I assume it should be putting > out 1000meg full duplex. Here is what ethtool says: > > Supported ports: [ TP ] > Supported link modes: 10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full > 100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full > 1000baseT/Full > Supports auto-negotiation: Yes > Advertised link modes: 10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full > 100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full > 1000baseT/Full > Advertised auto-negotiation: Yes > Speed: 100Mb/s > Duplex: Full > Port: Twisted Pair > PHYAD: 0 > Transceiver: internal > Auto-negotiation: on > Supports Wake-on: umbg > Wake-on: g > Current message level: 0x00000007 (7) > Link detected: yes > > I tried running this: > > ethtool -s eth0 duplex full speed 1000 > > But ethtool still says the same thing as pasted above, and the > switch still says 100meg speed. Also, all of the lights on the > switches are just flashing like crazy. > > Thank you for any help, it is much appreciated! And merry christmas! > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see <" target="l">http://www.k12os.org> > From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Tue Dec 27 02:01:45 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 21:01:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] New amer.com switch troubles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43B0A089.7020007@stmarys-school.org> How sure are you about the integrity of the cabling? NONE NONE wrote: >Hello, > >I just got the new amer.com switches and hooked them all up, and now things aren't working. I have checked all the connections, it's wired correctly, but none of the student pcs will boot to linux anymore. > >Here is the setup: > >Server goes into port 1 of sgd8 (8x1000meg ports) >Port 2 of sgd8 goes into port 25 of sr24g2 (24*100meg, 2*1000meg) >Various ports from 1-24 of sr24g2 go into the student pcs > >One problem I can see is that the connection from the server into the sgd8 is listed as 100meg on the switch itself, even though the server can put out 1000meg. I think maybe the card in the server is configured to put out something wrong. How can I check what it is putting out and how can I change it? I assume it should be putting out 1000meg full duplex. Here is what ethtool says: > > Supported ports: [ TP ] > Supported link modes: 10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full > 100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full > 1000baseT/Full > Supports auto-negotiation: Yes > Advertised link modes: 10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full > 100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full > 1000baseT/Full > Advertised auto-negotiation: Yes > Speed: 100Mb/s > Duplex: Full > Port: Twisted Pair > PHYAD: 0 > Transceiver: internal > Auto-negotiation: on > Supports Wake-on: umbg > Wake-on: g > Current message level: 0x00000007 (7) > Link detected: yes > >I tried running this: > >ethtool -s eth0 duplex full speed 1000 > >But ethtool still says the same thing as pasted above, and the switch still says 100meg speed. Also, all of the lights on the switches are just flashing like crazy. > >Thank you for any help, it is much appreciated! And merry christmas! > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Tue Dec 27 02:13:04 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 21:13:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] New amer.com switch troubles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43B0A330.3090200@stmarys-school.org> This happened to us a year ago. We had a 150' cable run to a sr24g2 all worked well (1000mb connection) for a few months then I lost connection to server. I disconected the server and plugged in a laptop and had 100mb connection to the switch. I connected the server to another switch and and had 1000mb connection. We moved the server into the same room as the switch all was back to normal. We are now back to using fiber between all buildings but I think what happened last year was water got into the conduit and the 1000mb copper connection needs pristine conditions where the 100mb was more forgiving. Just a guess though. NONE NONE wrote: >Hello, > >I just got the new amer.com switches and hooked them all up, and now things aren't working. I have checked all the connections, it's wired correctly, but none of the student pcs will boot to linux anymore. > >Here is the setup: > >Server goes into port 1 of sgd8 (8x1000meg ports) >Port 2 of sgd8 goes into port 25 of sr24g2 (24*100meg, 2*1000meg) >Various ports from 1-24 of sr24g2 go into the student pcs > >One problem I can see is that the connection from the server into the sgd8 is listed as 100meg on the switch itself, even though the server can put out 1000meg. I think maybe the card in the server is configured to put out something wrong. How can I check what it is putting out and how can I change it? I assume it should be putting out 1000meg full duplex. Here is what ethtool says: > > Supported ports: [ TP ] > Supported link modes: 10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full > 100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full > 1000baseT/Full > Supports auto-negotiation: Yes > Advertised link modes: 10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full > 100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full > 1000baseT/Full > Advertised auto-negotiation: Yes > Speed: 100Mb/s > Duplex: Full > Port: Twisted Pair > PHYAD: 0 > Transceiver: internal > Auto-negotiation: on > Supports Wake-on: umbg > Wake-on: g > Current message level: 0x00000007 (7) > Link detected: yes > >I tried running this: > >ethtool -s eth0 duplex full speed 1000 > >But ethtool still says the same thing as pasted above, and the switch still says 100meg speed. Also, all of the lights on the switches are just flashing like crazy. > >Thank you for any help, it is much appreciated! And merry christmas! > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From bear2bar at netscape.net Tue Dec 27 02:38:38 2005 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (bear2bar at netscape.net) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 21:38:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] USB Wireless adaptor on thin-clients Message-ID: <8C7D8A5C68742B3-1E50-3E4DC@mblkn-m12.sysops.aol.com> Hi, Has anyone had any success with USB Wireless apaptors on thin-clients with K12ltsp ? thks norbert ___________________________________________________ Try the New Netscape Mail Today! Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List http://mail.netscape.com From swift at msad52.k12.me.us Tue Dec 27 14:44:37 2005 From: swift at msad52.k12.me.us (Randall Swift) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 09:44:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] disable roaming profiles samba/ldap Message-ID: I have a samba/ldap server doing my authentication and storing home directories as well as roaming profiles. How do I disable roaming profiles (setup on core 3 using the smbldap-installer script)? This server has been running for almost a year now can I just simply disable roaming profiles without it affecting the server? Thanks for the help. Randy Swift Network Administrator Leavitt Area High School Turner, Maine 04282 (207)225-3533 swift at msad52.k12.me.us From mpribik at zoznam.sk Tue Dec 27 14:46:45 2005 From: mpribik at zoznam.sk (M.Pribik) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:46:45 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] New amer.com switch troubles References: <43B0A330.3090200@stmarys-school.org> Message-ID: <001e01c60af4$6a949c20$0500a8c0@Marian> Hello, I had similar problem with 10/100MHz speed. Solution of the problem was in the length of the cable. If you have length of the cable about 50m and more than be careful. Sometimes several meters of the cable can be important. Try connect this two equipments by shorter cable. I find out that changing the switch from another producer can fix the problem also. If it will be OK, than the problem is clear. Else .... Marian ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Baillie" To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 3:13 AM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] New amer.com switch troubles > This happened to us a year ago. We had a 150' cable run to a sr24g2 all > worked well (1000mb connection) for a few months then I lost connection > to server. I disconected the server and plugged in a laptop and had > 100mb connection to the switch. I connected the server to another switch > and and had 1000mb connection. We moved the server into the same room > as the switch all was back to normal. We are now back to using fiber > between all buildings but I think what happened last year was water got > into the conduit and the 1000mb copper connection needs pristine > conditions where the 100mb was more forgiving. Just a guess though. > > NONE NONE wrote: > > >Hello, > > > >I just got the new amer.com switches and hooked them all up, and now things aren't working. I have checked all the connections, it's wired correctly, but none of the student pcs will boot to linux anymore. > > > >Here is the setup: > > > >Server goes into port 1 of sgd8 (8x1000meg ports) > >Port 2 of sgd8 goes into port 25 of sr24g2 (24*100meg, 2*1000meg) > >Various ports from 1-24 of sr24g2 go into the student pcs > > > >One problem I can see is that the connection from the server into the sgd8 is listed as 100meg on the switch itself, even though the server can put out 1000meg. I think maybe the card in the server is configured to put out something wrong. How can I check what it is putting out and how can I change it? I assume it should be putting out 1000meg full duplex. Here is what ethtool says: > > > > Supported ports: [ TP ] > > Supported link modes: 10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full > > 100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full > > 1000baseT/Full > > Supports auto-negotiation: Yes > > Advertised link modes: 10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full > > 100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full > > 1000baseT/Full > > Advertised auto-negotiation: Yes > > Speed: 100Mb/s > > Duplex: Full > > Port: Twisted Pair > > PHYAD: 0 > > Transceiver: internal > > Auto-negotiation: on > > Supports Wake-on: umbg > > Wake-on: g > > Current message level: 0x00000007 (7) > > Link detected: yes > > > >I tried running this: > > > >ethtool -s eth0 duplex full speed 1000 > > > >But ethtool still says the same thing as pasted above, and the switch still says 100meg speed. Also, all of the lights on the switches are just flashing like crazy. > > > >Thank you for any help, it is much appreciated! And merry christmas! > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Tue Dec 27 18:42:27 2005 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 12:42:27 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] unable to console login Message-ID: <44728.172.28.8.56.1135708947.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Hello List, I've run into the " can not log into the console"syndrome. I was trying to setup,,the LDA ( localdev) scripts,on one server that i havent done much ,"updating" on,, and after making changes.. i can no longer log into console on this machine under any username,,including root:(. I CAN however log in through webmin with no probs under any one of the accounts that i have on this server( that i had also enabled in Webmin). I looked at my /password/shadow.files and they look right. I went back and undid the changes i had entered,,as far as scripts,,,etc,,for the LDA support( even though I dont think this could have anything to do with it.) A while back i did try ,,just for practice to see if i could do the "single user" login,,from the # 1 Cd of FC3,( in case the root password beacame corrupted),,and never could get that to work,,so I think I m sol., in doing this routine. I honestly think,, my usernames /passwords..are still in tact,,do to the fact I can use these names to log into the same box,,through Webmin. I read a a week back,,about the "rootkit hunter" program,,and was going to try that,out,just for practice,and never got around to it. Does anyone have any ideas,,on troubleshooting this scenario? Another strange thing> when this started happening,I walked down to the server room ( after finding out I could no longer log into this server) and that particular server was rebooting:(,,,This server IS on a APC power supply..uh oh?.. Thanks for any ideas,, Barry Cisna From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Dec 27 18:54:30 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 10:54:30 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] unable to console login In-Reply-To: <44728.172.28.8.56.1135708947.squirrel@172.28.8.55> References: <44728.172.28.8.56.1135708947.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Message-ID: <43B18DE6.5050906@paasda.org> don't by chance have BackupPC running somewhere that you could restore the backup from say a day or two before you started 'fiddling' ?? if not...I highly recommend it ;) It has saved my tail a few times =) --Huck cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us wrote: > Hello List, > > I've run into the " can not log into the console"syndrome. > I was trying to setup,,the LDA ( localdev) scripts,on one server that i > havent done much ,"updating" on,, and after making changes.. i can no > longer log into console on this machine under any username,,including > root:(. > I CAN however log in through webmin with no probs under any one of the > accounts that i have on this server( that i had also enabled in Webmin). > I looked at my /password/shadow.files and they look right. > I went back and undid the changes i had entered,,as far as > scripts,,,etc,,for the LDA support( even though I dont think this could > have anything to do with it.) > A while back i did try ,,just for practice to see if i could do the > "single user" login,,from the # 1 Cd of FC3,( in case the root password > beacame corrupted),,and never could get that to work,,so I think I m sol., > in doing this routine. > I honestly think,, my usernames /passwords..are still in tact,,do to the > fact I can use these names to log into the same box,,through Webmin. > I read a a week back,,about the "rootkit hunter" program,,and was going to > try that,out,just for practice,and never got around to it. > Does anyone have any ideas,,on troubleshooting this scenario? > Another strange thing> when this started happening,I walked down to the > server room ( after finding out I could no longer log into this server) > and that particular server was rebooting:(,,,This server IS on a APC power > supply..uh oh?.. > > Thanks for any ideas,, > > Barry Cisna > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Tue Dec 27 19:09:40 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:09:40 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] unable to console login In-Reply-To: <43B18DE6.5050906@paasda.org> References: <44728.172.28.8.56.1135708947.squirrel@172.28.8.55> <43B18DE6.5050906@paasda.org> Message-ID: <43B19174.2060709@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> I had this once, I just restarted the nscd deamon via webmin & I was OK.After that I stop nscd completely as it always seemed to cause problems !!! Brian Huck wrote: > don't by chance have BackupPC running somewhere that you could restore > the backup from say a day or two before you started 'fiddling' ?? > > if not...I highly recommend it ;) It has saved my tail a few times =) > > --Huck > > cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us wrote: > >> Hello List, >> >> I've run into the " can not log into the console"syndrome. >> I was trying to setup,,the LDA ( localdev) scripts,on one server that i >> havent done much ,"updating" on,, and after making changes.. i can no >> longer log into console on this machine under any username,,including >> root:(. >> I CAN however log in through webmin with no probs under any one of the >> accounts that i have on this server( that i had also enabled in Webmin). >> I looked at my /password/shadow.files and they look right. >> I went back and undid the changes i had entered,,as far as >> scripts,,,etc,,for the LDA support( even though I dont think this could >> have anything to do with it.) >> A while back i did try ,,just for practice to see if i could do the >> "single user" login,,from the # 1 Cd of FC3,( in case the root password >> beacame corrupted),,and never could get that to work,,so I think I m >> sol., >> in doing this routine. >> I honestly think,, my usernames /passwords..are still in tact,,do to the >> fact I can use these names to log into the same box,,through Webmin. >> I read a a week back,,about the "rootkit hunter" program,,and was >> going to >> try that,out,just for practice,and never got around to it. >> Does anyone have any ideas,,on troubleshooting this scenario? >> Another strange thing> when this started happening,I walked down to the >> server room ( after finding out I could no longer log into this server) >> and that particular server was rebooting:(,,,This server IS on a APC >> power >> supply..uh oh?.. >> >> Thanks for any ideas,, >> >> Barry Cisna >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From ascensiontech at gmail.com Tue Dec 27 19:29:22 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 14:29:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] squidguard machine giving error 104 Message-ID: <9bd317560512271129o1132edadi233a4772ec15dcc0@mail.gmail.com> Hey all, Sometimes when a class full of kids tries to visit the same site for a lesson we get a squid error from our squidguard box: The following error was returned: Read Error The system returned: (104) Connection reset by peer. The only info I'm can getting seems to blame the router or nat firewall not being up to the task. Can anyone confirm or deny that? Thanks! Peter From dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us Tue Dec 27 19:43:34 2005 From: dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 11:43:34 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] squidguard machine giving error 104 In-Reply-To: <9bd317560512271129o1132edadi233a4772ec15dcc0@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560512271129o1132edadi233a4772ec15dcc0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43B19966.70402@mesd.k12.or.us> Peter Hartmann wrote: > Sometimes when a class full of kids tries to visit the same site for a > lesson we get a squid error from our squidguard box: The following > error was returned: Read Error The system returned: (104) > Connection reset by peer. The only info I'm can getting seems to > blame the router or nat firewall not being up to the task. Can anyone > confirm or deny that? Is there anything interesting in /var/log/squid/cache.log when that happens? -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us Tue Dec 27 19:55:06 2005 From: cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us (cisna-barry at wc235.k12.il.us) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 13:55:06 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] unable to console login Message-ID: <33295.172.28.8.55.1135713306.squirrel@172.28.8.55> Huck, Brian, Thanks for the comebacks, I was swet ' in it! Long story short. I had to #comment out the additions i had made for the LDA scripts/lines in the gdm/postlogin/Postsession scripts.This was to "work" the LDA scripts i had added to the /usr/local/bin.[to get localdevices to work]. the perms were correct on these files( thats what i though it might be).. I never would have thought that would have caused this,, (Dont know why this server was rebooting as i was going into server room) this has never given an ounce of trouble:).hhmmm strange..[gremlins]. Anyways...all is well in K12LTSPville again,, Thanks Again,, Barry From timothy.hart at gmail.com Tue Dec 27 20:08:29 2005 From: timothy.hart at gmail.com (Timothy Hart) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:08:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] TOSE? Message-ID: <464c38cc0512271208i4edbdbas6ab90bb5d2d85b1a@mail.gmail.com> Hey guys, the 19th came and went. If you want to put an article in, do so asap and we will put it in a form we can get out. Post either the article or a link to it on the working Wiki http://www.vcsvikings.org/tose/doku.php. Hope everyone had a Merry Christmas. The iPod Nano is awesome. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ascensiontech at gmail.com Tue Dec 27 20:56:38 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:56:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] squidguard machine giving error 104 In-Reply-To: <43B19966.70402@mesd.k12.or.us> References: <9bd317560512271129o1132edadi233a4772ec15dcc0@mail.gmail.com> <43B19966.70402@mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <9bd317560512271256t316ea892r8ddb5d2091a7771b@mail.gmail.com> Fortunately the teacher printed out the error so I have an exact time. However there's nothing in the log that corresponds to that time. The only kind of error I can find is this type which happened on a different day as the 104 error: 2005/12/06 13:08:32| WARNING: All redirector processes are busy. 2005/12/06 13:08:32| WARNING: up to 8 pending requests queued 2005/12/06 13:10:39| clientProcessHit: Vary object loop! 2005/12/06 13:13:13| clientProcessHit: Vary object loop! Should up the redirect_children setting ? It's set for 5 right now. Thanks, Peter On 12/27/05, Dan Young wrote: > Peter Hartmann wrote: > > Sometimes when a class full of kids tries to visit the same site for a > > lesson we get a squid error from our squidguard box: The following > > error was returned: Read Error The system returned: (104) > > Connection reset by peer. The only info I'm can getting seems to > > blame the router or nat firewall not being up to the task. Can anyone > > confirm or deny that? > > Is there anything interesting in /var/log/squid/cache.log when that happens? > > -- > Dan Young > Multnomah ESD - Technology Services > 503-257-1562 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ae.roy at operamail.com Tue Dec 27 21:07:20 2005 From: ae.roy at operamail.com (ae roy roy) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:07:20 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Must reboot between logins to get sound. Message-ID: <20051227210720.B7049CA0A4@ws5-11.us4.outblaze.com> I have upgraded to ltsp4.1, and sound now works fine with esd in my most important applications: flash/firefox, xmms, kaffeine, gcompris, tuxpaint (not yet any soundrecording with audacity, will look at that later). My biggest problem at the moment, is that after a user has been logged, on a thinclient, the next user doesn't get any sound, on that thinclient, not until I reboot the thinclient. Any idea where I shall start to look? Oh, and if anyone has managed to get audacity to record sounds on the client I'd like to hear how you managed that. ae.roy -- _______________________________________________ Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: Download Opera 8 at http://www.opera.com Powered by Outblaze From jkford at sbcglobal.net Tue Dec 27 21:34:07 2005 From: jkford at sbcglobal.net (Kathy Kingsford) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 13:34:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Win Term Message-ID: <20051227213407.38196.qmail@web81111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I've finally found the product I've been looking for the "K12LTPS" I am very pleased about it. But as you can tell I am pretty new to this program and I am still learning my way through. The installation of the program went through smoothly I never had any worries, but the only issues that I am facing right now are: 1-- The DHCP Server. I already have windows DHCP Server that provides IP addresses to my windows workstations on the same subnet as my Linux workstations. Now with K12LTPS server implemented as well as few linux terminal stations on the Network, I am not sure how to redirect the Linux terminal workstations to K12LTPS Server and the Windows workstations to the DHCP server. My DNS is running on Windows Server 2003. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rmcdaniel at indata.us Tue Dec 27 22:12:35 2005 From: rmcdaniel at indata.us (rmcdaniel at indata.us) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:12:35 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Win Term Message-ID: <20051227151235.d7061e97b78b017ac15395d64f2ce134.04675320ae.wbe@email.email.secureserver.net> You can always turn off the DHCP server on your Win2003 server and let the K12LTSP server also act as the DHCP server for your whole subnet. Your Win2003 server can still be your DNS server. That is seperate and apart from DHCP. Another option is to use the LTSP server with both NICs. You just have to make sure that you use vlans to seperate the two networks, Windows and Thin Clients, or physically use different switches depending on the location of the clients. I think that the first option is going to be the easiest solution. Congrats on finding a great solution in LTSP! Ron Ronald R. McDaniel Conecuh County Schools (251) 578-7073 x26 (251) 238-1890 cell 1*4238*104 SouthernLinc rmcdaniel at indata.us > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [K12OSN] Win Term > From: Kathy Kingsford > Date: Tue, December 27, 2005 3:34 pm > To: k12osn at redhat.com > > > I've finally found the product I've been looking for the "K12LTPS" I am very pleased about it. But as you can tell I am pretty new to this program and I am still learning my way through. > The installation of the program went through smoothly I never had any worries, but the only issues that I am facing right now are: > 1-- The DHCP Server. I already have windows DHCP Server that provides IP addresses to my windows workstations on the same subnet as my Linux workstations. Now with K12LTPS server implemented as well as few linux terminal stations on the Network, I am not sure how to redirect the Linux terminal workstations to K12LTPS Server and the Windows workstations to the DHCP server. My DNS is running on Windows Server 2003. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From cliebow at midmaine.com Tue Dec 27 22:18:34 2005 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:18:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Win Term In-Reply-To: <20051227213407.38196.qmail@web81111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051227213407.38196.qmail@web81111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3967.70.33.151.214.1135721914.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> yu could use windows dhcp tto pass out addresses and hard code your linux machinnes..using opttions 17 66 and 67 to pass the right inmfo to linux terminals....chucj\k/www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From ascensiontech at gmail.com Tue Dec 27 22:14:56 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:14:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Fl_TeacherTool 0.2 Released In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9bd317560512271414k5dc8192bk16a6775c8af37ac@mail.gmail.com> Hey guys, I yum installed the x86_64 version and mine doesn't have this button: -Reset VNCreflector menu item (Handy when teachers mistakenly logout of vnc) Distribute file isn't working for me. I've made a few desktop short cuts for the teachers that use TT so I had to make a make a soft link to preserve these. ln -s /usr/sbin/fl_teachertool /usr/local/sbin/Fl_TeacherTool FYI: I made my icons use /usr/share/pixmaps/control-center2.png because it has tools. I'm not sure if you use Childsplay, but it's using the red apple icon too. I do get the apple on the teachers desk significance. Keep it up! Thanks, Peter On 12/25/05, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Sat, 24 Dec 2005, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > > On 12/24/05, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > >> http://www3.telus.net/public/robark/Fl_TeacherTool/ > >> Here is the release notes: > >> Fl_TeacherTool 0.2 > >> released Dec 24, 2005 > >> > > > > Thought people might like to know that I'm going to release 0.21 soon > > (maybe a week) to address some security issues and some potential bug > > fixes. Eric is helping me fix things. > > The only serious security issue is a "documentation bug". Step 4 of > the install instructions say to add "xhost +192.168.0.254" to the > end of /etc/profile. That is not necessary with Fl_TeacherTool 0.2 > and "xhost" is a big security hole. > > If you have installed Fl_TeacherTool, just remove the "xhost +192.168.0.254" > line from /etc/profiles. > > I created packages for Fl_TeacherTool and added them to the K12LTSP > repositories for anyone who wants to play with it. It is pretty slick ;-) > > yum install fl_teachertool > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From kris23 at poczta.fm Tue Dec 27 22:26:15 2005 From: kris23 at poczta.fm (Futrzak) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 23:26:15 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Win Term References: <20051227213407.38196.qmail@web81111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002f01c60b34$8ce83170$093a153e@futrzak> Hello! You can disable DHCP server on your K12LTSP and set up the Windows DHCP server to work with LTSP clients. Just review the dhcpd.conf and create proper entries on Windows 2003. Regards, kris23 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brcisna at frontiernet.net Wed Dec 28 04:29:43 2005 From: brcisna at frontiernet.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:29:43 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] afick- try it out Message-ID: <001401c60b67$53e01810$01fea8c0@brcHOST> Hello list, Just thought Id throw this out. Don't know how many are familiar with -afick-( another file intergrity checker)... This kinda/sorta saved me today. I was doing some fiddling ,,trying to get the LDA..package working on one of our servers,,that hadnt had any updating done to it, Some how,,i killed the console login,for all users,including root[not good],,I WAS able to login to Webmin,,no probs,, I was able to run Afick( which has a webmin,plugin) to find only the files that i had hacked around on,,Long story short.. Come to find out,,I had to uncomment the two lines,,i had added to the gdm files( which afick showed had been altered),& that was the only two files,,other than my password/shadow files..which i had changed in Webmin as well trying to get a login to work., and got my console login,,,working,,,yyyeehhhaww!!( I was about to do a reformat)..:(.. [Dont really know why adding these lines to the gdm/postlogin& postession files,,killed console login,,but it did,,,then i re-uncommented them,,and all was well,,,hhmmm..] This runs a nightly "snapshot"..of your system files,,and if you run into a snafo like,,i did,,you simply run it,, from console,,or better yet webmin,,, to see what files have been altered/added,since the day before. There is no setting up a cron job to run it nightly,,,,,yada,,,yada,it runs auto,,each night,after,doing the install,,so its very,, simplistic,,but is very effective,,,for hacked,,up systems:).. Just thought this may help someone in the future,(like it did for me today),, In some cases,,I think it may be more effective than a backup/restore.... Thanks, Barry Cisna From robark at gmail.com Wed Dec 28 07:28:55 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 23:28:55 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Fl_TeacherTool 0.2 Released In-Reply-To: <9bd317560512271414k5dc8192bk16a6775c8af37ac@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560512271414k5dc8192bk16a6775c8af37ac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 12/27/05, Peter Hartmann wrote: > Hey guys, > I yum installed the x86_64 version and mine doesn't have this button: > > -Reset VNCreflector menu item (Handy when teachers mistakenly logout of vnc) It's not a button. It should be a menu item under File. Or the shortcut key is F9. > > Distribute file isn't working for me. Hmm. This requires looking into. Can you give me more details. > > > I made my icons use /usr/share/pixmaps/control-center2.png because it > has tools. I'm not sure if you use Childsplay, but it's using the > red apple icon too. I do get the apple on the teachers desk > significance. Darn I was hoping nobody else was using the red apple. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From cliebow at midmaine.com Wed Dec 28 12:14:50 2005 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 07:14:50 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] afick- try it out In-Reply-To: <001401c60b67$53e01810$01fea8c0@brcHOST> References: <001401c60b67$53e01810$01fea8c0@brcHOST> Message-ID: <3826.70.33.151.214.1135772090.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> > Hello list, thanaaks for shhring that...chuck From ascensiontech at gmail.com Wed Dec 28 19:34:37 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 14:34:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Fl_TeacherTool 0.2 Released In-Reply-To: References: <9bd317560512271414k5dc8192bk16a6775c8af37ac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bd317560512281134l36f0e27br7b443b07073c5fbe@mail.gmail.com> > It's not a button. It should be a menu item under File. Or the > shortcut key is F9. > Oh! Duh. > > Distribute file isn't working for me. One way that it didn't work was because I have made some generic accounts for the little ones where their homes are a folder deeper than everyone else. You couldn't have seen that coming and there is probably no reason to accommodate that sort of thing. The other problem I had was trying to distribute a file that had a space in the name. I got a 'cannot stat' error. Maybe there's a way to encapsulate the entire file path with quotations. > Darn I was hoping nobody else was using the red apple. Sorry to bear the bad news. Just a little UI inconsistency: If you start TT when no users are logged in, the popup for that comes up in the old darker color. Thanks Robert, Peter On 12/28/05, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 12/27/05, Peter Hartmann wrote: > > Hey guys, > > I yum installed the x86_64 version and mine doesn't have this button: > > > > -Reset VNCreflector menu item (Handy when teachers mistakenly logout of vnc) > > It's not a button. It should be a menu item under File. Or the > shortcut key is F9. > > > > > Distribute file isn't working for me. > > Hmm. This requires looking into. Can you give me more details. > > > > > > > I made my icons use /usr/share/pixmaps/control-center2.png because it > > has tools. I'm not sure if you use Childsplay, but it's using the > > red apple icon too. I do get the apple on the teachers desk > > significance. > > Darn I was hoping nobody else was using the red apple. > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From rgibson57 at earthlink.net Fri Dec 30 15:59:46 2005 From: rgibson57 at earthlink.net (Rita Gibson) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 08:59:46 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] disable roaming profiles samba/ldap In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43B55972.6090805@earthlink.net> Randall Swift wrote: > I have a samba/ldap server doing my authentication and storing home > directories as well as roaming profiles. How do I disable roaming profiles > (setup on core 3 using the smbldap-installer script)? This server has been > running for almost a year now can I just simply disable roaming profiles > without it affecting the server? Thanks for the help. > We have roaming profiles too, and I'd love to learn how to disable them! They are kind of a "legacy" from the W2K server we had years ago. Rita Gibson RMSELTech From cliebow at midmaine.com Fri Dec 30 17:42:29 2005 From: cliebow at midmaine.com (cliebow at midmaine.com) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:42:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] disable roaming profiles samba/ldap In-Reply-To: <43B55972.6090805@earthlink.net> References: <43B55972.6090805@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1326.70.33.151.214.1135964549.squirrel@webmail.midmaine.com> cant you simply edit oout the roamaing profiles portion of smb.conf..? chuck > Randall Swift wrote: >> I have a samba/ldap server doing my authentication and storing home >> directories as well as roaming profiles. How do I disable roaming >> profiles >> (setup on core 3 using the smbldap-installer script)? This server has >> been >> running for almost a year now can I just simply disable roaming profiles >> without it affecting the server? Thanks for the help. >> > > We have roaming profiles too, and I'd love to learn how to disable them! > They are kind of a "legacy" from the W2K server we had years ago. > > Rita Gibson > RMSELTech > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From aahodson at episd.org Fri Dec 30 18:41:19 2005 From: aahodson at episd.org (Alan Hodson) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:41:19 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Tl_TeacherTool tribulations Message-ID: Hope y'all had a great Xmas In installing Fl_TT I am getting "/bin/sh: g++: command not found make: *** [Fl_TeacherTool.o] Error 127" Anybody knows how to interpret/fix this? cheers Alan Hodson El Paso ISD, TX -=o=- Alan A Hodson MEd. oF: 915-887-6871 fX: 915-779-4100 aahodson at episd.org http://links.episd.org/ . . . " If we teach today's students as we taught yesterdays, we rob them of tomorrow " . . . . John Dewey -=o=- From dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us Fri Dec 30 18:45:52 2005 From: dan_young at mesd.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 10:45:52 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Tl_TeacherTool tribulations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43B58060.8070903@mesd.k12.or.us> Alan Hodson wrote: > In installing Fl_TT I am getting > > "/bin/sh: g++: command not found > make: *** [Fl_TeacherTool.o] Error 127" > > Anybody knows how to interpret/fix this? Looks like you need to "yum install gcc-c++" -- Dan Young Multnomah ESD - Technology Services 503-257-1562 From rusty at enveloptech.com Fri Dec 30 20:09:57 2005 From: rusty at enveloptech.com (Rusty Pywtorak) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:09:57 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Tl_TeacherTool tribulations Message-ID: <24158152EF86D64A8E8E72628097E1A40B4FC9@exchange2k3.comlink.local> Well while you were celebrating the birthday of X the rest of us were celebrating the birth of Christ :). Rusty -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Alan Hodson Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 10:41 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Tl_TeacherTool tribulations Hope y'all had a great Xmas From robark at gmail.com Fri Dec 30 20:23:28 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:23:28 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Tl_TeacherTool tribulations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 12/30/05, Alan Hodson wrote: > Hope y'all had a great Xmas > > In installing Fl_TT I am getting > > "/bin/sh: g++: command not found > make: *** [Fl_TeacherTool.o] Error 127" > > Anybody knows how to interpret/fix this? Eric is including fl_tt into k12ltsp so you don't have to compile it yourself. Just a simple #yum install fl_teachertool should work for k12ltsp 4.4.1 and 4.2.1EL. If you are running an earlier version then yes you will need to install the compiler and install it manually until Eric adds it to those versions yum repos. But I would recommend you wait a few days. I am just about to release version 0.21 (probably) tommorrow. I'm pretty much finished it but I'm just testing now. 0.21 has some nice fixes. *No more xhost needed* which closes a big security hole. Plus some fixes to the new distribute file function. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us Fri Dec 30 20:28:25 2005 From: mely at rogueriver.k12.or.us (Mike Ely) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:28:25 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Tl_TeacherTool tribulations In-Reply-To: <24158152EF86D64A8E8E72628097E1A40B4FC9@exchange2k3.comlink.local> References: <24158152EF86D64A8E8E72628097E1A40B4FC9@exchange2k3.comlink.local> Message-ID: <43B59869.6050602@rogueriver.k12.or.us> Really? I can't seem to find a chapter/verse anywhere that mentions December 25... :-P Anyhow, hope all had a very merry christmas and are looking forward to whatever it is you like to do on new year's day! Cheers, Mike Ely Rusty Pywtorak wrote: > Well while you were celebrating the birthday of X the rest of us were > celebrating the birth of Christ :). > > Rusty > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Alan Hodson > Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 10:41 AM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] Tl_TeacherTool tribulations > > Hope y'all had a great Xmas > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From petre at maltzen.net Fri Dec 30 20:59:44 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:59:44 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Tl_TeacherTool tribulations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43B59FC0.7000305@maltzen.net> This is really cool! Thanks, Robert! FYI, the Lock/Launch screensaver button didn't work with the one Mac client I tested it with. I haven't tried it with any PC clients yet. Any chance Chuck's X11VNC stuff, as described at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress#x11vnc can be incorporated in a future release? The VNCReflector gives us the inverse, of pushing a window out for all users to see. But being able to see what's on a given client's screen would be really useful, too. Petre Robert Arkiletian wrote: > Eric is including fl_tt into k12ltsp so you don't have to compile it > yourself. Just a simple > > #yum install fl_teachertool > > should work for k12ltsp 4.4.1 and 4.2.1EL. If you are running an > earlier version then yes you will need to install the compiler and > install it manually until Eric adds it to those versions yum repos. > But I would recommend you wait a few days. I am just about to release > version 0.21 (probably) tommorrow. I'm pretty much finished it but I'm > just testing now. 0.21 has some nice fixes. *No more xhost needed* > which closes a big security hole. > Plus some fixes to the new distribute file function. > -- > Robert Arkiletian > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > From rgibson57 at earthlink.net Fri Dec 30 21:12:51 2005 From: rgibson57 at earthlink.net (Rita Gibson) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:12:51 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] IceWM default window manager setting lost Message-ID: <43B5A2D3.4080600@earthlink.net> My default window manager setting has been lost and I can't figure out how to permanently reset it to IceWM. I googled and poked around on the internet, to no avail. I tried switchdesk, and that program runs, but nothing changes permanently. If I log in using the Default setting, I get a Gnome desktop, if I select IceWM, and then log in at the k12ltsp login screen, I get the desktop I used to get by default. I had it set up so nautilus is not running when I login by default, and I have the plain-jane blue windows background. I also have one terminal that is supposed to boot and use an auto login and run a script when it logs in -- that terminal is not booting properly and running it's usual script -- it boots to some kind of FailSafe desktop -- I hope nothing serious has happened. All the kids are on break, and so I'm not sure if the problem is more widespread than these two users (my user and the login for the autologin terminal). Thanks for any help. Rita Gibson From petre at maltzen.net Fri Dec 30 21:18:48 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:18:48 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] IceWM default window manager setting lost In-Reply-To: <43B5A2D3.4080600@earthlink.net> References: <43B5A2D3.4080600@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <43B5A438.5060207@maltzen.net> Did you try this, from the wiki: http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net/k12ltsp/icewm.htm Petre Rita Gibson wrote: > > My default window manager setting has been lost and I can't figure out > how to permanently reset it to IceWM. I googled and poked around on the > internet, to no avail. I tried switchdesk, and that program runs, but > nothing changes permanently. If I log in using the Default setting, I > get a Gnome desktop, if I select IceWM, and then log in at the k12ltsp > login screen, I get the desktop I used to get by default. I had it set > up so nautilus is not running when I login by default, and I have the > plain-jane blue windows background. > > I also have one terminal that is supposed to boot and use an auto login > and run a script when it logs in -- that terminal is not booting > properly and running it's usual script -- it boots to some kind of > FailSafe desktop -- I hope nothing serious has happened. All the kids > are on break, and so I'm not sure if the problem is more widespread than > these two users (my user and the login for the autologin terminal). > > Thanks for any help. > > Rita Gibson > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From rgibson57 at earthlink.net Fri Dec 30 22:18:18 2005 From: rgibson57 at earthlink.net (Rita Gibson) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:18:18 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] IceWM default window manager setting lost In-Reply-To: <43B5A438.5060207@maltzen.net> References: <43B5A2D3.4080600@earthlink.net> <43B5A438.5060207@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <43B5B22A.1060702@earthlink.net> Petre Scheie wrote: > Did you try this, from the wiki: > http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net/k12ltsp/icewm.htm > > Petre I did see that, but wouldn't it change the setting for all users? I really just wanted to fix my own default setting back to IceWM, since I don't really know yet if everyone is having problems yet. Rita Gibson Rita Gibson wrote: > >> >> My default window manager setting has been lost and I can't figure out >> how to permanently reset it to IceWM. I googled and poked around on >> the internet, to no avail. I tried switchdesk, and that program runs, >> but nothing changes permanently. If I log in using the Default >> setting, I get a Gnome desktop, if I select IceWM, and then log in at >> the k12ltsp login screen, I get the desktop I used to get by default. >> I had it set up so nautilus is not running when I login by default, >> and I have the plain-jane blue windows background. >> >> I also have one terminal that is supposed to boot and use an auto >> login and run a script when it logs in -- that terminal is not booting >> properly and running it's usual script -- it boots to some kind of >> FailSafe desktop -- I hope nothing serious has happened. All the kids >> are on break, and so I'm not sure if the problem is more widespread >> than these two users (my user and the login for the autologin terminal). >> >> Thanks for any help. >> >> Rita Gibson >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From robark at gmail.com Fri Dec 30 22:18:58 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:18:58 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Tl_TeacherTool tribulations In-Reply-To: <43B59FC0.7000305@maltzen.net> References: <43B59FC0.7000305@maltzen.net> Message-ID: On 12/30/05, Petre Scheie wrote: > FYI, the Lock/Launch screensaver button didn't work with the one Mac client I tested it > with. I haven't tried it with any PC clients yet. Try typing this at the mac client. $'xscreensaver -no-splash & $xscreensaver-command -lock & Let me know if this works. > > Any chance Chuck's X11VNC stuff, as described at > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress#x11vnc > can be incorporated in a future release? The VNCReflector gives us the inverse, of > pushing a window out for all users to see. But being able to see what's on a given > client's screen would be really useful, too. I agree this would be a cool feature. I thought about adding this before 0.2. But I was hesitant because it means modifying/playing around with the default k12ltsp setup (considering all clients have to run a type of vnc server ( x11vnc) and also enable some local app support and editing lts.conf ). I'll take a closer look at this but I still feel broadcasting is more useful than monitoring/taking control. Now that I got rid of the xhost issue, installing fl_tt does not modify a standard k12ltsp setup. The only optional modification is if you want non superusers (say teachers) to run fl_tt by adding a specific group to sudo. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From ascensiontech at gmail.com Fri Dec 30 23:52:23 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:52:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Tl_TeacherTool tribulations In-Reply-To: References: <43B59FC0.7000305@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <9bd317560512301552o9f112d1hdb1d7afa0e8c22ad@mail.gmail.com> > I agree this would be a cool feature. I thought about adding this > before 0.2. But I was hesitant because it means modifying/playing > around with the default k12ltsp setup (considering all clients have to > run a type of vnc server ( x11vnc) and also enable some local app > support and editing lts.conf ) It would be extremely cool to do both. Rather than messing with x11vnc we could add something else that does the same thing like gemsvnc. Has anyone used this before? http://www.elilabs.com/~rj/gemsvnc/ Peter On 12/30/05, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 12/30/05, Petre Scheie wrote: > > FYI, the Lock/Launch screensaver button didn't work with the one Mac client I tested it > > with. I haven't tried it with any PC clients yet. > > Try typing this at the mac client. > > $'xscreensaver -no-splash & > $xscreensaver-command -lock & > > Let me know if this works. > > > > > Any chance Chuck's X11VNC stuff, as described at > > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress#x11vnc > > can be incorporated in a future release? The VNCReflector gives us the inverse, of > > pushing a window out for all users to see. But being able to see what's on a given > > client's screen would be really useful, too. > > I agree this would be a cool feature. I thought about adding this > before 0.2. But I was hesitant because it means modifying/playing > around with the default k12ltsp setup (considering all clients have to > run a type of vnc server ( x11vnc) and also enable some local app > support and editing lts.conf ). I'll take a closer look at this but I > still feel broadcasting is more useful than monitoring/taking control. > Now that I got rid of the xhost issue, installing fl_tt does not > modify a standard k12ltsp setup. The only optional modification is if > you want non superusers (say teachers) to run fl_tt by adding a > specific group to sudo. > -- > Robert Arkiletian > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From I.Derks at translucent.nl Sat Dec 31 11:41:20 2005 From: I.Derks at translucent.nl (Immanuel Derks) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:41:20 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Tl_TeacherTool tribulations In-Reply-To: <43B59FC0.7000305@maltzen.net> References: <43B59FC0.7000305@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1136029281.17822.6.camel@vigor4> Even cooler would be to be able to use the standard remote desktop feature already build into Fedora/RHES. I don't know if that is technicaly possible but as far as I know it is derivate vnc code. That way there is no need to tinker with the default LTSP setup. We got the Fl_TeacherTool working for monitoring by incorporating xvnc during bootup of the clients, editing a vncpasswd etc etc. On Fri, 2005-12-30 at 14:59 -0600, Petre Scheie wrote: > This is really cool! Thanks, Robert! > > FYI, the Lock/Launch screensaver button didn't work with the one Mac client I tested it > with. I haven't tried it with any PC clients yet. > > Any chance Chuck's X11VNC stuff, as described at > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress#x11vnc > can be incorporated in a future release? The VNCReflector gives us the inverse, of > pushing a window out for all users to see. But being able to see what's on a given > client's screen would be really useful, too. > > Petre > > Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > Eric is including fl_tt into k12ltsp so you don't have to compile it > > yourself. Just a simple > > > > #yum install fl_teachertool > > > > should work for k12ltsp 4.4.1 and 4.2.1EL. If you are running an > > earlier version then yes you will need to install the compiler and > > install it manually until Eric adds it to those versions yum repos. > > But I would recommend you wait a few days. I am just about to release > > version 0.21 (probably) tommorrow. I'm pretty much finished it but I'm > > just testing now. 0.21 has some nice fixes. *No more xhost needed* > > which closes a big security hole. > > Plus some fixes to the new distribute file function. > > -- > > Robert Arkiletian > > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Immanuel Derks Translucent Systems From petre at maltzen.net Sat Dec 31 14:27:50 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 08:27:50 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Tl_TeacherTool tribulations In-Reply-To: <1136029281.17822.6.camel@vigor4> References: <43B59FC0.7000305@maltzen.net> <1136029281.17822.6.camel@vigor4> Message-ID: <43B69566.3030209@maltzen.net> Could you elaborate on your steps you took to get Fl_TeacherTool working for monitoring? Immanuel Derks wrote: > Even cooler would be to be able to use the standard remote desktop > feature already build into Fedora/RHES. I don't know if that is > technicaly possible but as far as I know it is derivate vnc code. > That way there is no need to tinker with the default LTSP setup. > > We got the Fl_TeacherTool working for monitoring by incorporating xvnc > during bootup of the clients, editing a vncpasswd etc etc. > > > On Fri, 2005-12-30 at 14:59 -0600, Petre Scheie wrote: > >>This is really cool! Thanks, Robert! >> >>FYI, the Lock/Launch screensaver button didn't work with the one Mac client I tested it >>with. I haven't tried it with any PC clients yet. >> >>Any chance Chuck's X11VNC stuff, as described at >>http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress#x11vnc >>can be incorporated in a future release? The VNCReflector gives us the inverse, of >>pushing a window out for all users to see. But being able to see what's on a given >>client's screen would be really useful, too. >> >>Petre >> >>Robert Arkiletian wrote: >> > Eric is including fl_tt into k12ltsp so you don't have to compile it >> >>>yourself. Just a simple >>> >>>#yum install fl_teachertool >>> >>>should work for k12ltsp 4.4.1 and 4.2.1EL. If you are running an >>>earlier version then yes you will need to install the compiler and >>>install it manually until Eric adds it to those versions yum repos. >>>But I would recommend you wait a few days. I am just about to release >>>version 0.21 (probably) tommorrow. I'm pretty much finished it but I'm >>>just testing now. 0.21 has some nice fixes. *No more xhost needed* >>>which closes a big security hole. >>>Plus some fixes to the new distribute file function. >>>-- >>>Robert Arkiletian >>>C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see From petre at maltzen.net Sat Dec 31 14:58:54 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 08:58:54 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] IceWM default window manager setting lost In-Reply-To: <43B5B22A.1060702@earthlink.net> References: <43B5A2D3.4080600@earthlink.net> <43B5A438.5060207@maltzen.net> <43B5B22A.1060702@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <43B69CAE.6020209@maltzen.net> I'm not sure of the files involved--perhaps .gconfd, .gconf, .dmrc, etc.--but you might check all the files in your home directory to verify that you are the owner for all of them. It sounds like some files could have had their ownership switched to, say, root, such that you can't write to them anymore, thus preventing you from setting a different default window manager. Since you're the sysadmin, this can easily and sneakily happen. Rita Gibson wrote: > > > > Petre Scheie wrote: > >> Did you try this, from the wiki: >> http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net/k12ltsp/icewm.htm >> >> Petre > > > I did see that, but wouldn't it change the setting for all users? I > really just wanted to fix my own default setting back to IceWM, since I > don't really know yet if everyone is having problems yet. > > Rita Gibson > > > > Rita Gibson wrote: > >> >>> >>> My default window manager setting has been lost and I can't figure >>> out how to permanently reset it to IceWM. I googled and poked around >>> on the internet, to no avail. I tried switchdesk, and that program >>> runs, but nothing changes permanently. If I log in using the Default >>> setting, I get a Gnome desktop, if I select IceWM, and then log in at >>> the k12ltsp login screen, I get the desktop I used to get by default. >>> I had it set up so nautilus is not running when I login by default, >>> and I have the plain-jane blue windows background. >>> >>> I also have one terminal that is supposed to boot and use an auto >>> login and run a script when it logs in -- that terminal is not >>> booting properly and running it's usual script -- it boots to some >>> kind of FailSafe desktop -- I hope nothing serious has happened. All >>> the kids are on break, and so I'm not sure if the problem is more >>> widespread than these two users (my user and the login for the >>> autologin terminal). >>> >>> Thanks for any help. >>> >>> Rita Gibson >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Sat Dec 31 18:17:11 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:17:11 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Tl_TeacherTool tribulations In-Reply-To: References: <43B59FC0.7000305@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <43B6CB27.8020008@maltzen.net> That did not work, but I think the problem is that the screensavers for Gnome & IceWM don't work on the Mac--anyone having this problem?--and not because of any flaws in fl_tt. The KDE screensaver does work when I manually invoke it at the client; but I get the same error in fl_tt as with Gnome and IceWM when trying to invoke the screensaver on the Mac. Here's the error that appears in the terminal in which I called fl_tt: xscreensaver: 11:52:14: running xscreensaver-gl-helper: Permission denied ############################################################################## xscreensaver: 11:52:14: X Error! PLEASE REPORT THIS BUG. xscreensaver: 11:52:14: screen 0/0: 0x38, 0x0, 0x0 ############################################################################## X Error of failed request: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation) Major opcode of failed request: 152 (RANDR) Minor opcode of failed request: 4 (RRSelectInput) Value in failed request: 0x100 Serial number of failed request: 120 Current serial number in output stream: 121 ############################################################################## If at all possible, please re-run xscreensaver with the command line arguments `-sync -verbose -no-capture', and reproduce this bug. That will cause xscreensaver to dump a `core' file to the current directory. Please include the stack trace from that core file in your bug report. *DO NOT* mail the core file itself! That won't work. http://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/bugs.html explains how to create the most useful bug reports, and how to examine core files. The more information you can provide, the better. But please report this bug, regardless! ############################################################################## xscreensaver-command: no screensaver is running on display ws253.ltsp:0.0 Hope this feedback is useful. Petre Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 12/30/05, Petre Scheie wrote: > >>FYI, the Lock/Launch screensaver button didn't work with the one Mac client I tested it >>with. I haven't tried it with any PC clients yet. > > > Try typing this at the mac client. > > $'xscreensaver -no-splash & > $xscreensaver-command -lock & > > Let me know if this works. > > >>Any chance Chuck's X11VNC stuff, as described at >>http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress#x11vnc >>can be incorporated in a future release? The VNCReflector gives us the inverse, of >>pushing a window out for all users to see. But being able to see what's on a given >>client's screen would be really useful, too. > > > I agree this would be a cool feature. I thought about adding this > before 0.2. But I was hesitant because it means modifying/playing > around with the default k12ltsp setup (considering all clients have to > run a type of vnc server ( x11vnc) and also enable some local app > support and editing lts.conf ). I'll take a closer look at this but I > still feel broadcasting is more useful than monitoring/taking control. > Now that I got rid of the xhost issue, installing fl_tt does not > modify a standard k12ltsp setup. The only optional modification is if > you want non superusers (say teachers) to run fl_tt by adding a > specific group to sudo. > -- > Robert Arkiletian > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see >