[K12OSN] one more time
Sharon Betts
sbetts at msad71.net
Mon Feb 28 22:33:10 UTC 2005
"Support list for opensource software in schools." <k12osn at redhat.com> on
Monday, February 28, 2005 at 2:34 PM +0000 wrote:
>Do you want to just provide those apps--Gimp, StarOffice, etc.--to the
>Windows clients, but from a central server so you don't have to install
>them on each individual Windows client machine? Or do you also want to
>setup linux thin clients? These are not mutually exclusive, but they're
>different problems/projects (both of which should be fun).
Both -- I presently have both windows fat and linux slim (flash booted)
clients. They are all using the Windows terminal server now for apps. I
want to add a linux box to server Gimp, StarOFfice etc.
>
>Re-reading your message, it sounds like the former is your first
>priority. To run Linux X-based apps on Windows clients you'll need to
>
>1. Get the linux server to use the Windows AD for authentication when a
>client connects. Have a look at David Trask's smbldap installer
>script. There has been much discussion of it in the past few weeks. I
>think it's geared more for OpenLDAP than AD but I don't think that
>should be a show stopper.
>
>2a. Install an X server on the Windows boxes. The X-LiveCD allows you
>to run the CygWin X server from a CD, and it also has an option to
>install the X server on the Windows machine (the installer has a few
>bugs regarding the icons and menu choices it's supposed to add, but the
>actual X server installs without problems). If you're trying to get to
>the point of users just clicking on an icon and having it automatically
>connect to the Linux app server and loading the Gimp, say, you'll have
>to setup encryption keys with SSH & putty, and use those to
>automatically launch the apps. I haven't done this, but it's an
>interesting problem; but it may require more effort than step 2b below.
>
>OR
>
>2b. Install VNC client on each Windows client, and have the users launch
>that to connect to the Linux app server. This route doesn't provide the
>click-on-icon-and-app-magically-appears aspect that may be possible with
>2a, but it would be easier to setup. However, make sure your Linux box
>is big--that is, LOTS of memory, fast CPUs--because now it will have to
>support a whole desktop environment for each user rather than just an
>application or two.
>
>Anyone have any alternative suggestions?
>
>Petre
>
>Sharon Betts wrote:
>> Hi Petre,
>> I am grateful for all your thoughts and help. I have answered your
>> questions below.
>> In short -- I want to add a linux applicaiton server to an existing
>> windows network to serve GIMP, SCRIBUS, STAR OFFICE etc.
>>
>>
>>>It sounds like you have several projects rolled into one here. ;-)
>>>1. Get LTSP server to use Windows server for authentication.
>>>2. Get LTSP server to mount users' homedirs that live on Windows server.
>>>3. Get LTSP server to print to same printers as Windows server.
>>>4. Get rdesktop working on LTSP server so users can access apps on Win
>>>server.
>>>5. Allow Windows clients to run apps from LTSP server (?).
>>
>> Sure
>>
>>>
>>>I wasn't sure if #5 was something you had in mind or not.
>>
>> Yes, to minimize the winders TS cals needed.
>>
>>
>>>As to the
>>>first four items, they're listed in order of decreasing difficulty, but
>>>probably in the order you need to get things working in order to pull
>>>this transition off. And I may be incorrect about #1; are you running
>>>Active Directory on the Windows server?
>>
>> Yes, running Active Directory.
>>
>>
>>>Or are the Windows clients just
>>>using local authentication (info which is then passed to the Windows
>>>server when a user connects to his/her home directory on the Windows
>>>server)? The users care about #2, getting to their files. You care
>>>about #1 because it may affect how you handle #2. Others may have
>>>tackled automatically mounting Windows shares on the LTSP server
>>>(anyone?), but I haven't.
>>>
>>>With #3, are the printers all connected directly to the network (they
>>>each have their own ethernet jack) or are they connected to a computer
>>>which is then connected to the network?
>>
>> Both.
>>
>>
>>>In either case, defining the
>>>printers on the LTSP server is fairly easy and can be done via cups or
>>>webmin. I would avoid using the print queues on the Windows server as
>>>it's unnecessary and just makes the LTSP server dependent on the
>Windows
>>>server.
>>>
>>>#4 is just a matter of installing rdesktop on the LTSP server. Seems
>to
>>>me someone on the list once described setting up icons for users that
>>>called rdesktop and specific apps on the Windows server.
>>>
>>>So, if you can clarify #1--that is, do you want the Windows server,
>>>where you presumably have all the user IDs and PWs stored, to handle
>the
>>>user authentication for the LTSP server so that you only have to
>>>maintain one user store, and is the Windows server running AD--then we
>>>can try to figure out what you need to do there, which should then
>>>dovetail into #2. HTH.
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes to both of these. We are running Windows DHCP.
>>
>>>
>> Sharon
>> MSAD#71 Director of Educational Technology
>> sbetts at msad71.net http://www.msad71.net 207-985-1100
>> "To err is human - and to blame it on a computer is even more so."
>> Robert Orben
>>
>>
>>
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