From odin at myeye.mine.nu Sat Jan 1 10:07:52 2005 From: odin at myeye.mine.nu (Odin Nosen) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 11:07:52 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] I _really_ need some help installing JMF... Message-ID: <20050101100039.M11387@myeye.mine.nu> I can understand why this is not working. I've downloaded JMF (installed them in /opt/ - with correct chmod) and set these systemwide variables: CLASSPATH=/opt/JMF-2.1.1e/lib/jmf.jar:. JMFHOME=/opt/JMF-2.1.1e When I run the diagnostics it just tells my (both from Mozilla and FireFox): Java 1.1 compliant browser.....Maybe JMF classes.....Not Found" ...which according to the diagnostics page means that "JMF classes are not included in the CLASSPATH environment variable. Please make sure the CLASSPATH points to jmf.jar that comes with your installation." Aargh... what am I doing wrong?! "?" from Odin From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Sat Jan 1 15:44:10 2005 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: 01 Jan 2005 23:44:10 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] new software for schools Message-ID: <1104594253.1016.2231.camel@compaq.mydomain> I thought to pass on this news snippet that I stumbled across. I know nothing about this company or its software, but since its product is educationally related someone may be interested: #################### December 22nd, 2004: H-ITT's Acquisition software, used for collecting responses from students in the classroom now runs on Linux, Mac OS X, and Windows operating systems. With this release H-ITT becomes the first vendor to release software for Windows, Mac OSX, and Linux operating systems. http://www.h-itt.com/ ################### I had a quick look and the software is free, but no mention of source code license. Seems you need some specific hardware to use the software. -- Regards, Gavin Chester From les at futuresource.com Sat Jan 1 19:50:09 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 13:50:09 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] I _really_ need some help installing JMF... In-Reply-To: <20050101100039.M11387@myeye.mine.nu> References: <20050101100039.M11387@myeye.mine.nu> Message-ID: <1104609009.6743.20.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2005-01-01 at 04:07, Odin Nosen wrote: > I can understand why this is not working. I've downloaded JMF (installed them in /opt/ - > with correct chmod) and set these systemwide variables: > > CLASSPATH=/opt/JMF-2.1.1e/lib/jmf.jar:. > JMFHOME=/opt/JMF-2.1.1e > > When I run the diagnostics it just tells my (both from Mozilla and FireFox): > > Java 1.1 compliant browser.....Maybe > JMF classes.....Not Found" Where did you set the variables? It won't have any effect on already-running programs. You'll have to log out and back in from a client to pick them up. Try 'echo $CLASSPATH' in a terminal window to be sure you picked up the new values before starting mozilla. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From odin at myeye.mine.nu Sat Jan 1 20:45:46 2005 From: odin at myeye.mine.nu (Odin Nosen) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 21:45:46 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] I _really_ need some help installing JMF... In-Reply-To: <1104609009.6743.20.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <20050101100039.M11387@myeye.mine.nu> <1104609009.6743.20.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <20050101204305.M20889@myeye.mine.nu> > Where did you set the variables? It won't have any effect on > already-running programs. You'll have to log out and back in > from a client to pick them up. Try 'echo $CLASSPATH' in a > terminal window to be sure you picked up the new values before > starting mozilla. I've set the variables in the startup-files om my K12 V4.2-machine, so when I open a new terminal I get this reply: [odin at havn ~]$ echo $CLASSPATH /opt/JMF-2.1.1e/lib/jmf.jar:. ... everything should be OK. "!" from Odin From les at futuresource.com Sat Jan 1 23:10:19 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 17:10:19 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] I _really_ need some help installing JMF... In-Reply-To: <20050101204305.M20889@myeye.mine.nu> References: <20050101100039.M11387@myeye.mine.nu> <1104609009.6743.20.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <20050101204305.M20889@myeye.mine.nu> Message-ID: <1104621019.7429.10.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2005-01-01 at 14:45, Odin Nosen wrote: > > Where did you set the variables? It won't have any effect on > > already-running programs. You'll have to log out and back in > > from a client to pick them up. Try 'echo $CLASSPATH' in a > > terminal window to be sure you picked up the new values before > > starting mozilla. > > I've set the variables in the startup-files om my K12 V4.2-machine, so when I open a new > terminal I get this reply: > > [odin at havn ~]$ echo $CLASSPATH > /opt/JMF-2.1.1e/lib/jmf.jar:. > > ... everything should be OK. I think the java applet security model keeps it from following the CLASSPATH inherited from the browser's local shell, but I don't know enough about it to know the right way to pass it. I think the classes may have to be downloaded from the codebase URL instead. If you are running an application instead of an applet it should follow CLASSPATH. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From ramonklown at pop.com.br Mon Jan 3 10:11:08 2005 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 08:11:08 -0200 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] print management + on confirm print In-Reply-To: References: <1104443470.4269.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <60967.201.8.3.98.1104747068.squirrel@popmail5.pop.com.br> Yes, thank you guys. This is what I wanted, sounds perfect. I will probaly put it into play in the next couple of weeks. >> >> http://localhost:631/admin >> >> On the top menu click Printers. >> Then stop the printer in question. >> >> Once the printer is stopped folks can print but the jobs will stack up in the >> que. >> Click on Jobs and you can cancel or hold print jobs in que for the various >> printers. >> >> Then you can start the printer and what ever is not held or canceled will print. > > Yes, or the KISS method. Just take the printer off-line, then you can > look at the jobs just by opening the print manager and you can see > what jobs are there and who sent them, and delete any unauthorized > before putting the printer back on-line. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Mon Jan 3 19:53:54 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 11:53:54 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] openoffice installation cd's Message-ID: <41D9A2D2.3060102@paasda.org> Has anyone created a CD to give to folks that will install the full OO suite WITH the java portions enabled, on a win32 system? JRE of some sort needs to be installed first I believe? If anyone has an .iso that they'd be willing to share or instructions on how to achieve, I'd appreciate it! --Huck From adammelancon at gmail.com Mon Jan 3 19:56:56 2005 From: adammelancon at gmail.com (Adam Melancon) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 13:56:56 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] openoffice installation cd's In-Reply-To: <41D9A2D2.3060102@paasda.org> References: <41D9A2D2.3060102@paasda.org> Message-ID: <4892876105010311562516cdb8@mail.gmail.com> I don't know if it includes JRE, but these are some great CDs to hand out to win32 users. http://theopencd.sunsite.dk/ http://gnuwin.epfl.ch/en/index.html On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 11:53:54 -0800, Huck wrote: > Has anyone created a CD to give to folks that will install the full OO > suite WITH the java portions enabled, on a win32 system? > JRE of some sort needs to be installed first I believe? > > If anyone has an .iso that they'd be willing to share or instructions on > how to achieve, I'd appreciate it! > > --Huck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Adam Melancon Work: http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us Personal: http://www.melancon.org From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Jan 3 21:34:57 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 16:34:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] openoffice installation cd's In-Reply-To: <4892876105010311562516cdb8@mail.gmail.com> References: <41D9A2D2.3060102@paasda.org> <4892876105010311562516cdb8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: You can simply download the JRE offline installer and include it on the cd....have them install the JRE first. Adam Melancon on Monday, January 3, 2005 at 2:56 PM +0000 wrote: >I don't know if it includes JRE, but these are some great CDs to hand >out to win32 users. >http://theopencd.sunsite.dk/ >http://gnuwin.epfl.ch/en/index.html > > >On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 11:53:54 -0800, Huck wrote: >> Has anyone created a CD to give to folks that will install the full OO >> suite WITH the java portions enabled, on a win32 system? >> JRE of some sort needs to be installed first I believe? >> >> If anyone has an .iso that they'd be willing to share or instructions on >> how to achieve, I'd appreciate it! >> >> --Huck >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From Linux_Man at comcast.net Mon Jan 3 21:45:11 2005 From: Linux_Man at comcast.net (Brian Beck) Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 16:45:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OO.org default saving format? In-Reply-To: <41D9A2D2.3060102@paasda.org> References: <41D9A2D2.3060102@paasda.org> Message-ID: <41D9BCE7.3040207@comcast.net> K12LTSP comes with OO.org with the default saving format set to Microsoft Word/Excel/Powerpoint and the annoying "You could lose data" message disabled. I'm trying to integrate an LTSP server on Gentoo into a predominatley Microsoft school environment; does anyone know how the K12 guys did this? I know how to set the default format for ONE user; how do you set it for all of them? From petre at maltzen.net Mon Jan 3 22:19:45 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 16:19:45 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] openoffice installation cd's In-Reply-To: <41D9A2D2.3060102@paasda.org> References: <41D9A2D2.3060102@paasda.org> Message-ID: <41D9C501.9070706@maltzen.net> I have both of these in an .iso that I used to rebuild a Windows machine last week. There are some other files in there, too: Firefox, Thunderbird, a couple others I can't recall. I can generate a new (smaller) .iso if you want. As David Trask said, just have the user install the JRE piece first (it's really easy, brainless) and OOo will find it when you install it. Petre Huck wrote: > Has anyone created a CD to give to folks that will install the full OO > suite WITH the java portions enabled, on a win32 system? > JRE of some sort needs to be installed first I believe? > > If anyone has an .iso that they'd be willing to share or instructions on > how to achieve, I'd appreciate it! > > > --Huck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From adammelancon at gmail.com Mon Jan 3 23:06:35 2005 From: adammelancon at gmail.com (Adam Melancon) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 17:06:35 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] openoffice installation cd's In-Reply-To: <41D9C501.9070706@maltzen.net> References: <41D9A2D2.3060102@paasda.org> <41D9C501.9070706@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <48928761050103150659cd165f@mail.gmail.com> What you can do is create an .iso file and dump and autorun.inf file in there that is set to automatically open a webpage off of the cd (software.html). When the page opens, it has links to all of the apps on the cd, and under openoffice you can put a note saying "install this first before openoffice" and it links to the exe for JRE. When they click on it will ask them to open it and it will install, then they can go back to the page and install openoffice. On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 16:19:45 -0600, Petre Scheie wrote: > I have both of these in an .iso that I used to rebuild a Windows machine last > week. There are some other files in there, too: Firefox, Thunderbird, a couple > others I can't recall. I can generate a new (smaller) .iso if you want. As > David Trask said, just have the user install the JRE piece first (it's really > easy, brainless) and OOo will find it when you install it. > > Petre > > Huck wrote: > > Has anyone created a CD to give to folks that will install the full OO > > suite WITH the java portions enabled, on a win32 system? > > JRE of some sort needs to be installed first I believe? > > > > If anyone has an .iso that they'd be willing to share or instructions on > > how to achieve, I'd appreciate it! > > > > > > --Huck > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Adam Melancon Work: http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us Personal: http://www.melancon.org From server at benmay.org Mon Jan 3 11:36:20 2005 From: server at benmay.org (MayNET Master) Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 21:36:20 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Apache Auto Indexing Message-ID: <1104752180.4310.4.camel@server> Hello Everyone, I have tried searching the archives but I had no luck. I played around with httpd.conf file for apache and somehow I have enabled autoindex which wont display the contents of dir's unless they have an index.html present. In that case it will server up that index.html How can i turn this off? I tried autoindex "disable" but no such luck. Any help would be appreciated. Or even if there is a default httpd.conf that i could grab? is there one on my server already? -- Network Admin Ben May From les at futuresource.com Mon Jan 3 23:44:35 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 17:44:35 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Apache Auto Indexing In-Reply-To: <1104752180.4310.4.camel@server> References: <1104752180.4310.4.camel@server> Message-ID: <1104795875.1194.8.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2005-01-03 at 05:36, MayNET Master wrote: > Hello Everyone, > I have tried searching the archives but I had no luck. > I played around with httpd.conf file for apache and somehow I have > enabled autoindex which wont display the contents of dir's unless they > have an index.html present. In that case it will server up that > index.html > How can i turn this off? If you want it to display directory contents, be sure the relevant 'Options' entry for the site/location contains 'Indexes'. If you want to change the name of the file(s) that override a directory listing when present, look for 'DirectoryIndex'. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From luis.montes at cox.net Tue Jan 4 01:05:52 2005 From: luis.montes at cox.net (Luis Montes) Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 18:05:52 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OO.org default saving format? In-Reply-To: <41D9BCE7.3040207@comcast.net> References: <41D9A2D2.3060102@paasda.org> <41D9BCE7.3040207@comcast.net> Message-ID: <41D9EBF0.1020406@cox.net> Brian Beck wrote: > K12LTSP comes with OO.org with the default saving format set to > Microsoft Word/Excel/Powerpoint and the annoying "You could lose data" > message disabled. I'm trying to integrate an LTSP server on Gentoo > into a predominatley Microsoft school environment; does anyone know > how the K12 guys did this? I know how to set the default format for > ONE user; how do you set it for all of them? > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > search the archives for messages on August 25,2004 it comes down to the env variable OOO_MS_DEFAULTS=1 -Luis From tlegge at rogers.com Tue Jan 4 02:01:26 2005 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 22:01:26 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SquidGuard and Proxy Questions Message-ID: <1104804086.3725.7.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> Hi I have a couple of questions. 1) It does not seem possible to use transparent proxying without using a second machine for the proxy server. If I wanted to use just one machine, how would I enforce the use of the proxy in FireFox for all users without modifying each user? 2) If you used a second machine with IPCOP and squidGuard installed, how do you stop access to Google images with safesearch turned off? Regards Tim From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Jan 4 02:30:03 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 21:30:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SquidGuard and Proxy Questions In-Reply-To: <1104804086.3725.7.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> References: <1104804086.3725.7.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> Message-ID: tlegge at rogers.com on Monday, January 3, 2005 at 9:01 PM +0000 wrote: >1) It does not seem possible to use transparent proxying without using a >second machine for the proxy server. Not only possible...I'm doing it. I run an SME server with proxy, transparent proxying....running DansGuardian. Works fantastic! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From pbenson at ffni.com Tue Jan 4 02:50:19 2005 From: pbenson at ffni.com (Phil Benson) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 21:50:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] openoffice installation cd's In-Reply-To: <41D9A2D2.3060102@paasda.org> Message-ID: You can order a win32 Open Office CD for free at http://shipit.ubuntulinux.org you get two cd's with each set. One is a Ubuntu Live CD with the win32 Open Office apps and the other is the Ubuntu install CD. Check it out. Phil Benson Embroidery Nation http://www.embroiderynation.com/ -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Huck Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 2:54 PM To: K12ltsp Subject: [K12OSN] openoffice installation cd's Has anyone created a CD to give to folks that will install the full OO suite WITH the java portions enabled, on a win32 system? JRE of some sort needs to be installed first I believe? If anyone has an .iso that they'd be willing to share or instructions on how to achieve, I'd appreciate it! --Huck _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From adammelancon at gmail.com Tue Jan 4 02:51:14 2005 From: adammelancon at gmail.com (Adam Melancon) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 20:51:14 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] SquidGuard and Proxy Questions In-Reply-To: References: <1104804086.3725.7.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> Message-ID: <4892876105010318514215ba7@mail.gmail.com> I don't know if you can use any of this, but I replaced my Iprism web filter with squidguard, so I'm basically filtering on a seperate box. Here is my documentation on how I did it. There are also more links on that page to setups more like your own that I used to help me with my project. http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us/sysadminsite/squidguard/ Enjoy! On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 21:30:03 -0500, David Trask wrote: > tlegge at rogers.com on Monday, January 3, 2005 at 9:01 PM +0000 wrote: > >1) It does not seem possible to use transparent proxying without using a > >second machine for the proxy server. > > > Not only possible...I'm doing it. I run an SME server with proxy, > transparent proxying....running DansGuardian. Works fantastic! > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Adam Melancon Work: http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us Personal: http://www.melancon.org From patnewsletters at ip-wizard.com Tue Jan 4 03:17:23 2005 From: patnewsletters at ip-wizard.com (Pat) Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 21:17:23 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] SquidGuard and Proxy Questions In-Reply-To: <1104804086.3725.7.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> References: <1104804086.3725.7.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> Message-ID: <41DA0AC3.7060200@ip-wizard.com> Timothy Legge wrote: > > 2) If you used a second machine with IPCOP and squidGuard installed, how > do you stop access to Google images with safesearch turned off? > On one installation I just blacklisted http://images.google.com..... but that kills all image searches in google, not just safesearch=off searches. Pat From les at futuresource.com Tue Jan 4 05:00:24 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 23:00:24 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] SquidGuard and Proxy Questions In-Reply-To: References: <1104804086.3725.7.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> Message-ID: <1104814824.28211.2.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2005-01-03 at 20:30, David Trask wrote: > tlegge at rogers.com on Monday, January 3, 2005 at 9:01 PM +0000 wrote: > >1) It does not seem possible to use transparent proxying without using a > >second machine for the proxy server. > > > Not only possible...I'm doing it. I run an SME server with proxy, > transparent proxying....running DansGuardian. Works fantastic! Errr, isn't that a 2nd machine? I think the question was about running it on the k12ltsp server which also happens to be where the client browsers run. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From sudev at mantraonline.com Tue Jan 4 05:37:26 2005 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 11:07:26 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] SquidGuard and Proxy Questions In-Reply-To: <4892876105010318514215ba7@mail.gmail.com> References: <1104804086.3725.7.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> <4892876105010318514215ba7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1104817045.5827.0.camel@server.ltsp> > On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 21:30:03 -0500, David Trask > wrote: > > tlegge at rogers.com on Monday, January 3, 2005 at 9:01 PM +0000 wrote: > > >1) It does not seem possible to use transparent proxying without using a > > >second machine for the proxy server. > > > > > > Not only possible...I'm doing it. I run an SME server with proxy, > > transparent proxying....running DansGuardian. Works fantastic! > > > > David N. Trask > > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > > Vassalboro Community School > > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > > (207)923-3100 David, Is there a how to link or wiki on this? TIA -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From mej at mindspring.com Tue Jan 4 05:30:28 2005 From: mej at mindspring.com (Michael E. Jaggers) Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 23:30:28 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] openoffice installation cd's In-Reply-To: <41D9A2D2.3060102@paasda.org> Message-ID: <200501040610.j046A1BR004759@mx3.redhat.com> In <41D9A2D2.3060102 at paasda.org>, on 01/03/05 at 11:53 AM, Huck said: >Has anyone created a CD to give to folks that will install the full OO >suite WITH the java portions enabled, on a win32 system? >JRE of some sort needs to be installed first I believe? >If anyone has an .iso that they'd be willing to share or instructions on >how to achieve, I'd appreciate it! You can get the complete OO.org 1.1.4 install CD here: ftp://openofficeorg.secsup.org (or any other OO.org mirror) in directory: /pub/software/openoffice/contrib/iso/en/ooo_114_20041221_en_allplatforms.iso It has Linux, Windows, Solaris, Mac OSX binaries, and other support files, including the JRE. -- ----------------------------------------------------------- "Michael E. Jaggers" ----------------------------------------------------------- From server at benmay.org Mon Jan 3 21:49:29 2005 From: server at benmay.org (MayNET Master) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 07:49:29 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Bittorents For 4.2.0 Message-ID: <1104788969.4299.1.camel@server> Hi, I just cant to find any answers in the k12osn archives, but i am looking where to find the k12ltsp 4.2.0 bittorrents to download? Thanks -- MayNET Master Ben May From robowens at myway.com Tue Jan 4 11:09:26 2005 From: robowens at myway.com (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 06:09:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] openoffice installation cd's Message-ID: <20050104110926.077C93AB8@mprdmxin.myway.com> I've installed OpenOffice on plenty of Windows machines without Java. It gives a warning that "some features may be disabled" or something to that effect, but it will let you proceed. It seems to work fine for me. I use it for basic wordprocessing and spreadsheets. -Rob --- On Mon 01/03, Huck < dhuckaby at paasda.org > wrote: From: Huck [mailto: dhuckaby at paasda.org] To: k12osn at redhat.com Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 11:53:54 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] openoffice installation cd's Has anyone created a CD to give to folks that will install the full OO
suite WITH the java portions enabled, on a win32 system?
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_______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From jackpal at cfl.rr.com Tue Jan 4 11:31:19 2005 From: jackpal at cfl.rr.com (Jack) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 06:31:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Apache userdir not working Message-ID: <1104838279.6805.5.camel@w72l-penguin.ww007.siemens.net> For some reason I am not able to get Apache to display the public_html contents of a users home directory to work. I keep getting a 403 error Forbidden. The log has this line: [Tue Jan 04 06:00:37 2005] [error] [client 192.168.1.130] (13)Permission denied: access to /~jack denied The whole url would be: http://homeserver/~jack I've uncommented the userdir section in the httpd.conf file and restarted apache: # # UserDir is disabled by default since it can confirm the presence # of a username on the system (depending on home directory # permissions). # # UserDir disable # # To enable requests to /~user/ to serve the user's public_html # directory, remove the "UserDir disable" line above, and uncomment # the following line instead: # UserDir public_html That should do it but it doesn't work. I'm not sure what I am missing here. As a last resort I've made the permissions for the /home/jack directory 777 Also the /home is set for 777 -- Jack From ksj2010 at myrealbox.com Tue Jan 4 12:02:36 2005 From: ksj2010 at myrealbox.com (KJ) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 07:02:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SquidGuard and Proxy Questions In-Reply-To: <1104804086.3725.7.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> References: <1104804086.3725.7.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> Message-ID: <41DA85DC.7070606@myrealbox.com> >1) It does not seem possible to use transparent proxying without using a >second machine for the proxy server. If I wanted to use just one >machine, how would I enforce the use of the proxy in FireFox for all >users without modifying each user? > I tried for a few months to figure out a way to run Squidguard and transparent proxy only using the K12LTSP box. It didn't work at all. So I finally had to put in another box to do the proxy'ing. Worked great! grab an old box, throw command line on and you're off to the races. Adam's how too is extremely helpful! KJ From ericbrown at mi-spot.com Tue Jan 4 12:26:22 2005 From: ericbrown at mi-spot.com (Eric Brown) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 06:26:22 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Apache userdir not working In-Reply-To: <1104838279.6805.5.camel@w72l-penguin.ww007.siemens.net> Message-ID: <200501041216.j04CGfH25146@www.mi-spot.com> Inside the /home/jack you must have a sub directory named public_html. Only the web pages inside this directory will appear on the web. To get a page to appear when you type http://homeserver/~jack you must have a file named /home/jack/public_html/index.html Good luck -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 5:31 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: [K12OSN] Apache userdir not working For some reason I am not able to get Apache to display the public_html contents of a users home directory to work. I keep getting a 403 error Forbidden. The log has this line: [Tue Jan 04 06:00:37 2005] [error] [client 192.168.1.130] (13)Permission denied: access to /~jack denied The whole url would be: http://homeserver/~jack I've uncommented the userdir section in the httpd.conf file and restarted apache: # # UserDir is disabled by default since it can confirm the presence # of a username on the system (depending on home directory # permissions). # # UserDir disable # # To enable requests to /~user/ to serve the user's public_html # directory, remove the "UserDir disable" line above, and uncomment # the following line instead: # UserDir public_html That should do it but it doesn't work. I'm not sure what I am missing here. As a last resort I've made the permissions for the /home/jack directory 777 Also the /home is set for 777 -- Jack _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From jas at ehtcf.co.cu Tue Jan 4 13:15:37 2005 From: jas at ehtcf.co.cu (Jesus Aneiros Sosa) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 09:15:37 -0400 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Apache userdir not working In-Reply-To: <1104838279.6805.5.camel@w72l-penguin.ww007.siemens.net> References: <1104838279.6805.5.camel@w72l-penguin.ww007.siemens.net> Message-ID: Hi, On Tue, 4 Jan 2005, Jack wrote: > For some reason I am not able to get Apache to display the public_html > contents of a users home directory to work. I keep getting a 403 error > Forbidden. That's the default behaviour in the Apache 2 version, I think. > > # > # UserDir is disabled by default since it can confirm the presence > # of a username on the system (depending on home directory > # permissions). > # > # UserDir disable Uncomment the previous line too. It must be: UserDir enable > As a last resort I've made the permissions for the /home/jack directory > 777 No, you are creating a severe security problem. Everybody will have permision to write on that home directory. Put it 701. > Also the /home is set for 777 No, it's not necesary. Jesus. -- Jesus Aneiros Sosa GNU/Linux User #190716 en counter.li.org perl -e '$_=pack(c5,0105,0107,0123,0132,(1<<3)+2);y[A-Z][N-ZA-M];print;' -- Mensaje analizado en busca de virus y otros contenidos peligrosos, se considera que est? limpio. MailScanner en la EHT "Perla del Sur". From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Jan 4 13:42:25 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 08:42:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SquidGuard and Proxy Questions In-Reply-To: <1104814824.28211.2.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <1104804086.3725.7.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> < > <1104814824.28211.2.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: So your saying the K12LTSP box is also the gateway? *me shivers* Generally speaking (in my experience) if you're doing transparent proxying the proxy server needs to be at the "choke" point of the network....in other words right behind the router or acting as the router. "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tue Jan 4 2005 at 00:00 +0000 wrote: >On Mon, 2005-01-03 at 20:30, David Trask wrote: >> tlegge at rogers.com on Monday, January 3, 2005 at 9:01 PM +0000 wrote: >> >1) It does not seem possible to use transparent proxying without using >a >> >second machine for the proxy server. >> >> >> Not only possible...I'm doing it. I run an SME server with proxy, >> transparent proxying....running DansGuardian. Works fantastic! > >Errr, isn't that a 2nd machine? I think the question was about >running it on the k12ltsp server which also happens to be where >the client browsers run. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From tlegge at rogers.com Tue Jan 4 13:40:02 2005 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 08:40:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] SquidGuard and Proxy Questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050104134002.66761.qmail@web88210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- David Trask wrote: > So your saying the K12LTSP box is also the gateway? > *me shivers* > Generally speaking (in my experience) if you're > doing transparent proxying > the proxy server needs to be at the "choke" point of > the network....in > other words right behind the router or acting as the > router. Yes, that was one of the options but I will probably just use an IPCOP/SquidGuard combination if I can work out how to block google's safe search off option. One of my questions was how to force a browser to use the proxy if I did not do transparent proxy in a way that would prevent users from removing the proxy or needing to configure each user individually. This would only be required if the squidGuard was on the K12LTSP machine... Tim Tim > "Support list for opensource software in schools." > on > Tue Jan 4 2005 at 00:00 +0000 wrote: > >On Mon, 2005-01-03 at 20:30, David Trask wrote: > >> tlegge at rogers.com on Monday, January 3, 2005 at > 9:01 PM +0000 wrote: > >> >1) It does not seem possible to use transparent > proxying without using > >a > >> >second machine for the proxy server. > >> > >> > >> Not only possible...I'm doing it. I run an SME > server with proxy, > >> transparent proxying....running DansGuardian. > Works fantastic! > > > >Errr, isn't that a 2nd machine? I think the > question was about > >running it on the k12ltsp server which also happens > to be where > >the client browsers run. > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > From tlegge at rogers.com Tue Jan 4 13:40:02 2005 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 08:40:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] SquidGuard and Proxy Questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050104134002.66761.qmail@web88210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- David Trask wrote: > So your saying the K12LTSP box is also the gateway? > *me shivers* > Generally speaking (in my experience) if you're > doing transparent proxying > the proxy server needs to be at the "choke" point of > the network....in > other words right behind the router or acting as the > router. Yes, that was one of the options but I will probably just use an IPCOP/SquidGuard combination if I can work out how to block google's safe search off option. One of my questions was how to force a browser to use the proxy if I did not do transparent proxy in a way that would prevent users from removing the proxy or needing to configure each user individually. This would only be required if the squidGuard was on the K12LTSP machine... Tim Tim > "Support list for opensource software in schools." > on > Tue Jan 4 2005 at 00:00 +0000 wrote: > >On Mon, 2005-01-03 at 20:30, David Trask wrote: > >> tlegge at rogers.com on Monday, January 3, 2005 at > 9:01 PM +0000 wrote: > >> >1) It does not seem possible to use transparent > proxying without using > >a > >> >second machine for the proxy server. > >> > >> > >> Not only possible...I'm doing it. I run an SME > server with proxy, > >> transparent proxying....running DansGuardian. > Works fantastic! > > > >Errr, isn't that a 2nd machine? I think the > question was about > >running it on the k12ltsp server which also happens > to be where > >the client browsers run. > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > From les at futuresource.com Tue Jan 4 13:51:40 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 07:51:40 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] SquidGuard and Proxy Questions In-Reply-To: References: <1104804086.3725.7.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> < > <1104814824.28211.2.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1104846700.29646.6.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-01-04 at 07:42, David Trask wrote: > So your saying the K12LTSP box is also the gateway? *me shivers* Keep in mind that the k12ltsp server is running approximately the same code but much more up-to-date than your SME server. The only thing that would make it much less secure is that by default all users could log into a normal shell from outside via ssh where on SME they get a non-working shell. > Generally speaking (in my experience) if you're doing transparent proxying > the proxy server needs to be at the "choke" point of the network....in > other words right behind the router or acting as the router. I think this is right, since the transparent redirector happens as a routing step that isn't done on packets from the local box. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From mrambo at lsd.k12.mi.us Tue Jan 4 14:17:21 2005 From: mrambo at lsd.k12.mi.us (Mike Rambo) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 09:17:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SquidGuard and Proxy Questions In-Reply-To: <20050104134002.66761.qmail@web88210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <20050104134002.66761.qmail@web88210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1104848241.21744.19.camel@mrambo.imcdomain.local> On Tue, 2005-01-04 at 08:40, Timothy Legge wrote: > Yes, that was one of the options but I will probably > just use an IPCOP/SquidGuard combination if I can work > out how to block google's safe search off option. > Use squidGuard url rewriting for this. Eric modified SG to do this seems like back around the 3.1.x days (you can also rewrite urls for other search engines to force them to use google and thereby safesearch). Last I looked there were examples in the k12ltsp SG config file. There is also support in SG to block users from accessing sites directly by ip instead of name (ie. do an nslookup of badporn.com and access by ip instead of typing badporn.com as the url) but it isn't enabled by default in the k12ltsp squidGuard releases (not a big deal as all it takes is !in-addr in the acl's). This is important because squidGuard doesn't do a reverse lookup to check for blocked sites when the user directly types an ip address instead of a url in a browser. squidGuard was designed to be very lightweight and fast - reverse lookups would slow SG down significantly. -- Mike Rambo mrambo at lsd.k12.mi.us Many today claim to be tolerant. True tolerance, however, can cope with others being intolerant. -Nigel Cunningham From loveless at lth5.k12.il.us Tue Jan 4 14:48:35 2005 From: loveless at lth5.k12.il.us (Abe Loveless) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 08:48:35 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] SquidGuard and Proxy Questions In-Reply-To: <20050104134002.66761.qmail@web88210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <20050104134002.66761.qmail@web88210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <41DAACC3.6020906@lth5.k12.il.us> A colleage of mine and I put together a contrib for the SME Server (when using squidGuard) to rewrite google image searches to force the safe search options. See this article: http://www.tech-geeks.org/article.php?story=20040826115541358 And this package: http://www.tech-geeks.org/contrib/loveless/SMEServer/archives/squidGuardGoogle/ It's just a few changes to the squidguard.conf file. So, if you want to use IPCop/squidGuard... you should be able to make the same changes there. Hope that helps, Abe Timothy Legge wrote: > --- David Trask wrote: > >>So your saying the K12LTSP box is also the gateway? >>*me shivers* >>Generally speaking (in my experience) if you're >>doing transparent proxying >>the proxy server needs to be at the "choke" point of >>the network....in >>other words right behind the router or acting as the >>router. > > > Yes, that was one of the options but I will probably > just use an IPCOP/SquidGuard combination if I can work > out how to block google's safe search off option. > > One of my questions was how to force a browser to use > the proxy if I did not do transparent proxy in a way > that would prevent users from removing the proxy or > needing to configure each user individually. This > would only be required if the squidGuard was on the > K12LTSP machine... > > Tim > Tim > > >>"Support list for opensource software in schools." >> on >>Tue Jan 4 2005 at 00:00 +0000 wrote: >> >>>On Mon, 2005-01-03 at 20:30, David Trask wrote: >>> >>>>tlegge at rogers.com on Monday, January 3, 2005 at >> >>9:01 PM +0000 wrote: >> >>>>>1) It does not seem possible to use transparent >> >>proxying without using >> >>>a >>> >>>>>second machine for the proxy server. >>>> >>>> >>>>Not only possible...I'm doing it. I run an SME >> >>server with proxy, >> >>>>transparent proxying....running DansGuardian. >> >>Works fantastic! >> >>>Errr, isn't that a 2nd machine? I think the >> >>question was about >> >>>running it on the k12ltsp server which also happens >> >>to be where >> >>>the client browsers run. >> >> >>David N. Trask >>Technology Teacher/Coordinator >>Vassalboro Community School >>dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >>(207)923-3100 >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > -- --------------------------------------- Abe Loveless Network Specialist Area V Learning Technology Center 200 Clay St. Edwardsville, IL 62025 http://www.lth5.k12.il.us/ http://www.tech-geeks.org/ From petre at maltzen.net Tue Jan 4 14:40:58 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 08:40:58 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] SquidGuard and Proxy Questions In-Reply-To: <1104848241.21744.19.camel@mrambo.imcdomain.local> References: <20050104134002.66761.qmail@web88210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1104848241.21744.19.camel@mrambo.imcdomain.local> Message-ID: <41DAAAFA.4010308@maltzen.net> You may also be able to configure your router/firewall to only accept inside connections coming from the squidguard box. It's simple, easy to test, but it doesn't address your google problem. Petre Mike Rambo wrote: > On Tue, 2005-01-04 at 08:40, Timothy Legge wrote: > >>Yes, that was one of the options but I will probably >>just use an IPCOP/SquidGuard combination if I can work >>out how to block google's safe search off option. >> > > > Use squidGuard url rewriting for this. Eric modified SG to do this seems > like back around the 3.1.x days (you can also rewrite urls for other > search engines to force them to use google and thereby safesearch). Last > I looked there were examples in the k12ltsp SG config file. There is > also support in SG to block users from accessing sites directly by ip > instead of name (ie. do an nslookup of badporn.com and access by ip > instead of typing badporn.com as the url) but it isn't enabled by > default in the k12ltsp squidGuard releases (not a big deal as all it > takes is !in-addr in the acl's). This is important because squidGuard > doesn't do a reverse lookup to check for blocked sites when the user > directly types an ip address instead of a url in a browser. squidGuard > was designed to be very lightweight and fast - reverse lookups would > slow SG down significantly. > > From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Jan 4 15:33:45 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 10:33:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SquidGuard and Proxy Questions In-Reply-To: <1104846700.29646.6.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <1104804086.3725.7.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> < > < > < > <1104814824.28211.2.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> < > <1104846700.29646.6.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tue Jan 4 2005 at 08:51 +0000 wrote: > The only >thing that would make it much less secure is that by default all >users could log into a normal shell from outside via ssh where on >SME they get a non-working shell. That's why *me shivers* :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From ramonklown at pop.com.br Tue Jan 4 14:37:02 2005 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:37:02 -0200 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] OpenMosix+k12ltsp In-Reply-To: <1104848241.21744.19.camel@mrambo.imcdomain.local> References: <20050104134002.66761.qmail@web88210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1104848241.21744.19.camel@mrambo.imcdomain.local> Message-ID: <61818.201.8.7.14.1104849422.squirrel@popmail2.pop.com.br> I get the following error on running openMosix ./openMosix-2.4.26-1: line 2: ---: command not found ./openMosix-2.4.26-1: line 3: +++: command not found ./openMosix-2.4.26-1: line 4: @@: command not found ./openMosix-2.4.26-1: line 5: define_bool: command not found ./openMosix-2.4.26-1: line 7: mainmenu_option: command not found ./openMosix-2.4.26-1: line 8: +comment: command not found ./openMosix-2.4.26-1: line 9: +bool: command not found ./openMosix-2.4.26-1: line 10: syntax error near unexpected token `then' ./openMosix-2.4.26-1: line 10: `+if [ "$CONFIG_MOSIX" = "y" ]; then' From aleininger at ttsd.k12.or.us Tue Jan 4 15:47:48 2005 From: aleininger at ttsd.k12.or.us (Aaron Leininger) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 07:47:48 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Apache userdir not working In-Reply-To: <1104838279.6805.5.camel@w72l-penguin.ww007.siemens.net> Message-ID: <20050104154736.CAAA1173CD@mail.ttsd.k12.or.us> > For some reason I am not able to get Apache to display the > public_html contents of a users home directory to work. I > keep getting a 403 error Forbidden. > > The log has this line: > [Tue Jan 04 06:00:37 2005] [error] [client 192.168.1.130] > (13)Permission > denied: access to /~jack denied > > The whole url would be: http://homeserver/~jack Set your /home/jack so that everyone has read access. Maybe 754 or 755. Also make sure /home/jack/public_html has at least read access for everyone. Again something like 754 or 755. Try bringing up web page again in public_html folder. If you still don't see the folder contents, create a file and try and access it directly http://yourserver/~jack/somefile.html If that works, then the problem is w/ showing directory contents and not w/ the permissions. Aaron > > That should do it but it doesn't work. I'm not sure what I > am missing here. > > As a last resort I've made the permissions for the /home/jack > directory > 777 > > Also the /home is set for 777 > -- > Jack > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Tue Jan 4 16:27:36 2005 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 10:27:36 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] AMD64 K12LTSP Message-ID: <41DAC3F8.8050003@saskforestcentre.ca> I am about to receive an amd64 machine. I am planning on running it for a few months as a workstation, then replace the current K12LTSP box with the amd64. I know that there isn't a 64-bit distribution of K12LTSP, but I remember Eric H. saying he had it running on a few of his machines. Where do I look for the list of packages to install manually on top of a 64-bit Fedora Core 3 install? I would like to compile the packages for myself and then I can upload them somewhere, if that's of use to anyone. I suppose in the end I would like to propose that we (collectively) maintain a set of amd64 packages for use. If there was enough interest, we could probably even set it up as a yum/apt repository so installation of k12LTSP/64 would be as simple as installing FC/64 followed by adding a line to yum.conf and doing a yum install k12ltsp. Ok, I admit it, there's a lot of work to achieve the dream, but I am willing to do my part to get my own equipment up and running. Anyone else interested in K12LTSP on the amd64 platform? Angus Carr. From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Jan 4 16:35:20 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 08:35:20 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] AMD64 K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <41DAC3F8.8050003@saskforestcentre.ca> References: <41DAC3F8.8050003@saskforestcentre.ca> Message-ID: <1104856520.25413.76.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> Over vacation my laptop died. I bought a shiny new HP Pavilion zv5000 with an amd64 cpu in it. I should have some sort of K12LTSP/64 support in the near future... -Eric On Tue, 2005-01-04 at 10:27 -0600, Angus Carr wrote: > I am about to receive an amd64 machine. I am planning on running it for > a few months as a workstation, then replace the current K12LTSP box with > the amd64. > > I know that there isn't a 64-bit distribution of K12LTSP, but I remember > Eric H. saying he had it running on a few of his machines. > > Where do I look for the list of packages to install manually on top of a > 64-bit Fedora Core 3 install? I would like to compile the packages for > myself and then I can upload them somewhere, if that's of use to > anyone. I suppose in the end I would like to propose that we > (collectively) maintain a set of amd64 packages for use. If there was > enough interest, we could probably even set it up as a yum/apt > repository so installation of k12LTSP/64 would be as simple as > installing FC/64 followed by adding a line to yum.conf and doing a yum > install k12ltsp. > > Ok, I admit it, there's a lot of work to achieve the dream, but I am > willing to do my part to get my own equipment up and running. Anyone > else interested in K12LTSP on the amd64 platform? > > Angus Carr. > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Anyway, if you also use DansGuardian you can add rules like these to the phraselist; #----- # Google < safesearch is off >,< about google >,< Advanced Image Search > # Yahoo < safesearch is off >, < images > # Dogpile, Excite, Webcrawler < likely to contain adult content >,< results with adult content > #----- Hope this helps. Dale Quigg This e-mail and any attachments are intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email, and any attachments thereto, is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify the sender and permanently delete the original copy and any copy of any e-mail, and any printout thereof. From adammelancon at gmail.com Tue Jan 4 16:59:15 2005 From: adammelancon at gmail.com (Adam Melancon) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:59:15 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: SquidGuard and Proxy Questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48928761050104085912af1fad@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for the compliment KJ! On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 11:42:39 -0500, Quigg, Dale wrote: > > Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 22:01:26 -0400 > > From: Timothy Legge > > Subject: [K12OSN] SquidGuard and Proxy Questions > > > > > 2) If you used a second machine with IPCOP and squidGuard installed, > > how do you stop access to Google images with safesearch turned off? > > Hi Tim, > > I use ClarkConnect for a firewall/gateway/filter and really appreciate its > bang-for-the-buck. Anyway, if you also use DansGuardian you can add rules > like these to the phraselist; > > #----- > # Google > < safesearch is off >,< about google >,< Advanced Image Search > > # Yahoo > < safesearch is off >, < images > > # Dogpile, Excite, Webcrawler > < likely to contain adult content >,< results with adult content > > #----- > > Hope this helps. > Dale Quigg > > This e-mail and any attachments are intended only for use by the > addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or > confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this > e-mail, you are hereby notified any dissemination, distribution or copying > of this email, and any attachments thereto, is strictly prohibited. If you > receive this email in error please immediately notify the sender and > permanently delete the original copy and any copy of any e-mail, and any > printout thereof. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Adam Melancon Work: http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us Personal: http://www.melancon.org From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Jan 4 17:45:51 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 12:45:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] AMD64 K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <1104856520.25413.76.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <41DAC3F8.8050003@saskforestcentre.ca> <1104856520.25413.76.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, January 4, 2005 at 11:35 AM +0000 wrote: > >Over vacation my laptop died. I bought a shiny new HP Pavilion zv5000 >with an amd64 cpu in it. I should have some sort of K12LTSP/64 support >in the near future... > >-Eric Eric...pardon my ignorance, but what are the primary benefits of running 64 bit as opposed to 32 bit in a K12LTSP environment? Really curious as I might budget for a new server.... David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From cliebow at downeast.net Tue Jan 4 17:49:25 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 17:49:25 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] AMD64 K12LTSP Message-ID: <200501041654.j04GsmU05468@downeast.net> we are just now building a dual opteron server using 64 bit rhel4 beta 2.. We had trouble getting the raid controller to identify it and had to add a driver for it at partitoning..Also had trouble with the firefox provided to ensble java and so had to drop back to 32 bit firefox..Now aTHAT was a hack job.. chuck --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From wiz8 at mac.com Tue Jan 4 17:53:44 2005 From: wiz8 at mac.com (Paul Vittorino) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 11:53:44 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Laptop selection (was AMD64 K12LTSP) In-Reply-To: <1104856520.25413.76.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <41DAC3F8.8050003@saskforestcentre.ca> <1104856520.25413.76.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <936EE1D7-5E79-11D9-96B3-000393099F68@mac.com> How did you go about selecting that laptop? I'm just curious since I would imagine that some people on this list would appreciate some pointers about picking out a laptop with the intention of running Linux instead of Windows. Paul On Jan 4, 2005, at 10:35 AM, Eric Harrison wrote: > Over vacation my laptop died. I bought a shiny new HP Pavilion zv5000 > with an amd64 cpu in it. I should have some sort of K12LTSP/64 support > in the near future... > > -Eric From lee at renarts.org Tue Jan 4 18:15:31 2005 From: lee at renarts.org (Lee Myrick) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:15:31 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Laptop selection (was AMD64 K12LTSP) In-Reply-To: <936EE1D7-5E79-11D9-96B3-000393099F68@mac.com> References: <41DAC3F8.8050003@saskforestcentre.ca> <1104856520.25413.76.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> <936EE1D7-5E79-11D9-96B3-000393099F68@mac.com> Message-ID: <9E65CC9A-5E7C-11D9-9BD5-000A95BC9C2E@renarts.org> Sorry to butt in, but http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/ is a great site I've always found useful. I'm particularly found of used IBM Thinkpads. I just installed FC 3 on a Thinkpad T30 and my daughter's T22 with no problems so far. On Jan 4, 2005, at 9:53 AM, Paul Vittorino wrote: > How did you go about selecting that laptop? I'm just curious since I > would imagine that some people on this list would appreciate some > pointers about picking out a laptop with the intention of running > Linux instead of Windows. > > Paul > > On Jan 4, 2005, at 10:35 AM, Eric Harrison wrote: >> Over vacation my laptop died. I bought a shiny new HP Pavilion zv5000 >> with an amd64 cpu in it. I should have some sort of K12LTSP/64 support >> in the near future... >> >> -Eric Lee Myrick Information Technology Administrator Renaissance Arts Academy lee at renarts.org http://www.renarts.org From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Tue Jan 4 18:33:53 2005 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 12:33:53 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] AMD64 K12LTSP In-Reply-To: References: <41DAC3F8.8050003@saskforestcentre.ca> <1104856520.25413.76.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <41DAE191.1010702@saskforestcentre.ca> David Trask wrote: >"Support list for opensource software in schools." on >Tuesday, January 4, 2005 at 11:35 AM +0000 wrote: > > >>Over vacation my laptop died. I bought a shiny new HP Pavilion zv5000 >>with an amd64 cpu in it. I should have some sort of K12LTSP/64 support >>in the near future... >> >>-Eric >> >> > >Eric...pardon my ignorance, but what are the primary benefits of running >64 bit as opposed to 32 bit in a K12LTSP environment? Really curious as I >might budget for a new server.... > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >(207)923-3100 > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > Pardon me tossing my 2 cents worth in, but... The primary reason I have selected the amd64 chip over the 32bit version is the speed / temperature tradeoff. The 64 bit architecture has more registers and fewer stages in the instruction pipeline, so when code is compiled in that form, it can run more efficiently. This can be seen on benchmarks under Linux, where the 64 bit OS can be used. Becasue the chip is more efficient at processing instructions, they have marketted them as "3800+" or whatever, to represent the equivalent pentium4 speed. In fact, the processor is clocked much lower. The 3800+ unit is clocked at 2.4 GHz. Another architectural thing on the amd chips is that they clock themselves lower when not in use. This cuts the effective operating temperature. If you have to sit beside the server, it is quieter. That, and energy savings. The last, and probably most important, thing is that the 64 bit chips can access far more memory than the 32 bit chips. 32 bit chips are limited to 4GB of RAM visible to the processor at a time (remember bank-switching?). The 64 bit chip can address much more memory at a time. The 64 bit chip can still run 32-bit binaries, which is good for running 32-bit versions of the OS (whichever one you use). In fact, you can mix 32-bit binaries and 64-bit binaries, as long as you have library support and are running the 64-bit OS. The net result is that the price/performance equation is in for the AMD 64 chips right now, although that may change. An equivalent Pentium chip is probably just as good for most of us, until the RAM requirement ramps up too high. Angus Carr. From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Tue Jan 4 18:37:17 2005 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 13:37:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenMosix+k12ltsp In-Reply-To: <20050104170039.B405B73B20@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050104170039.B405B73B20@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1104863836.4597.68.camel@phoenix.media.local> Ramon, How are you trying to run openMosix? openMosix is a collection of patches against (currently) the 2.4 Linux kernel. You have to compile new kernels for the thin-clients (you can't run openMosix directly ontop of K12LTSP 4.1 or 4.2... they have 2.6 kernels). Then once you have the new kernels running, you execute a command, and hopefully it will migrate to another computer system. What do you want to run? I've got a kid who's doing a science fair project, and we fell back to using 4 or 5 clusterKnoppix cds to get the job done (I couldn't get terminal services mode on those cds working properly... plus too many dhcp conflicts on my current network config). We are just using povray and the povray benchmark (skyvase.pov). Henry Burroughs Technology Director Hilton Head Preparatory School www.hhprep.org > > ______________________________________________________________________ > From: Ramon > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] OpenMosix+k12ltsp > Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 12:37:02 -0200 > > I get the following error on running openMosix > > ./openMosix-2.4.26-1: line 2: ---: command not found > ./openMosix-2.4.26-1: line 3: +++: command not found > ./openMosix-2.4.26-1: line 4: @@: command not found > ./openMosix-2.4.26-1: line 5: define_bool: command not found > ./openMosix-2.4.26-1: line 7: mainmenu_option: command not found > ./openMosix-2.4.26-1: line 8: +comment: command not found > ./openMosix-2.4.26-1: line 9: +bool: command not found > ./openMosix-2.4.26-1: line 10: syntax error near unexpected token `then' > ./openMosix-2.4.26-1: line 10: `+if [ "$CONFIG_MOSIX" = "y" ]; then' > From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Tue Jan 4 18:37:02 2005 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 12:37:02 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] AMD64 K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <1104856520.25413.76.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <41DAC3F8.8050003@saskforestcentre.ca> <1104856520.25413.76.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <41DAE24E.2090503@saskforestcentre.ca> Wonderful! Chalk me up for beta testing. Angus Carr. Eric Harrison wrote: >Over vacation my laptop died. I bought a shiny new HP Pavilion zv5000 >with an amd64 cpu in it. I should have some sort of K12LTSP/64 support >in the near future... > >-Eric > >On Tue, 2005-01-04 at 10:27 -0600, Angus Carr wrote: > > >>I am about to receive an amd64 machine. I am planning on running it for >>a few months as a workstation, then replace the current K12LTSP box with >>the amd64. >> >>I know that there isn't a 64-bit distribution of K12LTSP, but I remember >>Eric H. saying he had it running on a few of his machines. >> >>Where do I look for the list of packages to install manually on top of a >>64-bit Fedora Core 3 install? I would like to compile the packages for >>myself and then I can upload them somewhere, if that's of use to >>anyone. I suppose in the end I would like to propose that we >>(collectively) maintain a set of amd64 packages for use. If there was >>enough interest, we could probably even set it up as a yum/apt >>repository so installation of k12LTSP/64 would be as simple as >>installing FC/64 followed by adding a line to yum.conf and doing a yum >>install k12ltsp. >> >>Ok, I admit it, there's a lot of work to achieve the dream, but I am >>willing to do my part to get my own equipment up and running. Anyone >>else interested in K12LTSP on the amd64 platform? >> >>Angus Carr. >> >> >> > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > From ascensiontech at gmail.com Tue Jan 4 19:12:14 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Ascension Tech) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 14:12:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] gigabit Message-ID: <9bd31756050104111248de401a@mail.gmail.com> Hey All, I'm looking to upgrade our network to full gigabit (instead of just the backbone). Will i see a major boost in performance using gigabit even with the pentuims and 486's? Happy new year! Peter From les at futuresource.com Tue Jan 4 19:14:19 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 13:14:19 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] AMD64 K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <41DAE191.1010702@saskforestcentre.ca> References: <41DAC3F8.8050003@saskforestcentre.ca> <1104856520.25413.76.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> <41DAE191.1010702@saskforestcentre.ca> Message-ID: <1104866059.14898.48.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-01-04 at 12:33, Angus Carr wrote: > The 64 bit chip can still run 32-bit binaries, which is good for running > 32-bit versions of the OS (whichever one you use). In fact, you can mix > 32-bit binaries and 64-bit binaries, as long as you have library support > and are running the 64-bit OS. Do you know if the yum/apt issues with mixed environments have been worked out yet? (You may need different versions of the same libraries, etc. for the same programs, depending on how they were compiled). --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From penguintiz at yahoo.com Tue Jan 4 19:16:34 2005 From: penguintiz at yahoo.com (David Tisdell) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 11:16:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Floppy Woes In-Reply-To: <20050104170040.CFE17731B0@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20050104191635.59946.qmail@web41906.mail.yahoo.com> Hi all, I have a server that won't allow the clients to use the floppy drive. I could have sworn I had it working a few months ago. I know I had it working on another LTSP server. I checked my lts.conf file and the approporiate line is uncommented. When I use the mtools gui interface to access the floppy, it shows the following message: can't open /dev/fd0: No such device or address Cannot initalize 'A:' There is a popup window that says "There is no floppy in the drive" In /var/log/messages it says kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev 02:00 (floppy), sector 0 It is running k12ltsp 4.0.1 Any ideas? Thanks Dave __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page ? Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com From networkr0 at cfl.rr.com Tue Jan 4 19:48:42 2005 From: networkr0 at cfl.rr.com (Brian Chase) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 14:48:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] AMD64 K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <1104856520.25413.76.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <41DAC3F8.8050003@saskforestcentre.ca> <1104856520.25413.76.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <41DAF31A.9000203@cfl.rr.com> I have previous posts to this list regarding my requests for AMD64 support for K12LTSP. I would like to find out where the beta's are when they are ready, Eric. Thanks, Brian Eric Harrison wrote: >Over vacation my laptop died. I bought a shiny new HP Pavilion zv5000 >with an amd64 cpu in it. I should have some sort of K12LTSP/64 support >in the near future... > >-Eric > >On Tue, 2005-01-04 at 10:27 -0600, Angus Carr wrote: > > >>I am about to receive an amd64 machine. I am planning on running it for >>a few months as a workstation, then replace the current K12LTSP box with >>the amd64. >> >>I know that there isn't a 64-bit distribution of K12LTSP, but I remember >>Eric H. saying he had it running on a few of his machines. >> >>Where do I look for the list of packages to install manually on top of a >>64-bit Fedora Core 3 install? I would like to compile the packages for >>myself and then I can upload them somewhere, if that's of use to >>anyone. I suppose in the end I would like to propose that we >>(collectively) maintain a set of amd64 packages for use. If there was >>enough interest, we could probably even set it up as a yum/apt >>repository so installation of k12LTSP/64 would be as simple as >>installing FC/64 followed by adding a line to yum.conf and doing a yum >>install k12ltsp. >> >>Ok, I admit it, there's a lot of work to achieve the dream, but I am >>willing to do my part to get my own equipment up and running. Anyone >>else interested in K12LTSP on the amd64 platform? >> >>Angus Carr. >> >> >> > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Tue Jan 4 20:01:51 2005 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 15:01:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Methods for documenting systems and procedures Message-ID: <1104868911.4597.77.camel@phoenix.media.local> I am trying to get my documenting of systems here at my school up to speed with all the hacks and tweaks that I do (not to mention so I can remember it all.... =) ). I've tried the word processed document for systems, and I have found it difficult to keep up-to-date due to having to worry about formating, organization, etc. Not to mention data that is in multiple files at once (the same authentication tweak for all systems). Does anyone use a wiki? I'm considering dokuwiki to store all my system and process documentation. Any recommendations/ how do you do it? Thanks! Welcome back to the new year! Henry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adammelancon at gmail.com Tue Jan 4 20:15:51 2005 From: adammelancon at gmail.com (Adam Melancon) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 14:15:51 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Methods for documenting systems and procedures In-Reply-To: <1104868911.4597.77.camel@phoenix.media.local> References: <1104868911.4597.77.camel@phoenix.media.local> Message-ID: <4892876105010412154be26f5@mail.gmail.com> text file under /root called changes.txt when i make a change i put the date/time/change It works for me, but I don't have a large setup. On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 15:01:51 -0500, Henry Burroughs wrote: > I am trying to get my documenting of systems here at my school up to speed > with all the hacks and tweaks that I do (not to mention so I can remember it > all.... =) ). I've tried the word processed document for systems, and I > have found it difficult to keep up-to-date due to having to worry about > formating, organization, etc. Not to mention data that is in multiple files > at once (the same authentication tweak for all systems). > > > Does anyone use a wiki? I'm considering dokuwiki to store all my system > and process documentation. > > Any recommendations/ how do you do it? Thanks! > > Welcome back to the new year! > > Henry > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- Adam Melancon Work: http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us Personal: http://www.melancon.org From les at futuresource.com Tue Jan 4 21:27:32 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 15:27:32 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Methods for documenting systems and procedures In-Reply-To: <1104868911.4597.77.camel@phoenix.media.local> References: <1104868911.4597.77.camel@phoenix.media.local> Message-ID: <1104874051.14898.78.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-01-04 at 14:01, Henry Burroughs wrote: > Does anyone use a wiki? I'm considering dokuwiki to store all my > system and process documentation. I use twiki (http://www.twiki.org/). It has some nice plug-in extensions that other wiki's don't have. I'm a version behind but can probably help with any questions about installing it. It might be overkill for just yourself, but it works out very well if you can get other people to use it too. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jam at mcquil.com Tue Jan 4 21:33:01 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 16:33:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Methods for documenting systems and procedures In-Reply-To: <1104874051.14898.78.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1104868911.4597.77.camel@phoenix.media.local> <1104874051.14898.78.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 4 Jan 2005, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Tue, 2005-01-04 at 14:01, Henry Burroughs wrote: > > > Does anyone use a wiki? I'm considering dokuwiki to store all my > > system and process documentation. > > I use twiki (http://www.twiki.org/). It has some nice plug-in > extensions that other wiki's don't have. I'm a version behind > but can probably help with any questions about installing it. > It might be overkill for just yourself, but it works out very > well if you can get other people to use it too. I also use twiki for the LTSP.org wiki (http://wiki.ltsp.org) and for my own internal knowledge management system. It's a great way to organize all kinds of information. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Jan 4 21:46:08 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 15:46:08 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] USB Device Support on thin clients Message-ID: <005c01c4f2a6$cc7b44a0$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> This may be a stupid question but here it goes :-) What do I do if I want to configure more than one usb device on a thin client? Say I want a printer and a mouse, individually they would be setup as follows: Printer: MODULE_01 = usb-ohci MODULE_02 = printer PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/usb/lp0 PRINTER_0_TYPE = S Mouse: MODULE_01 = usb-ohci MODULE_02 = mousedev MODULE_03 = usbmouse X_MOUSE_DEVICE = /dev/input/mice Now if I list both of those under the same thin client in lts.conf won't the MODULE_0X conflict with each other? Or should I add this in like so: Printer and Mouse: MODULE_01 = usb-ohci MODULE_02 = printer PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/usb/lp0 PRINTER_0_TYPE = S MODULE_03 = usb-ohci MODULE_04 = mousedev MODULE_05 = usbmouse X_MOUSE_DEVICE = /dev/input/mice I hope what I am asking is clear. If the latter is correct would I continue onto MODULE_06 - whatever to add say a keyboard and USB Keychain drive as long as I have enough ports or a usb hub? If the prior setup is correct is there a limit to how many MODULE sequences I can have or are available USB ports my only limitation? Thanks, Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jackpal at cfl.rr.com Tue Jan 4 21:38:33 2005 From: jackpal at cfl.rr.com (Jack) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 16:38:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Apache userdir not working In-Reply-To: <20050104154736.CAAA1173CD@mail.ttsd.k12.or.us> References: <20050104154736.CAAA1173CD@mail.ttsd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1104874713.6805.10.camel@w72l-penguin.ww007.siemens.net> Thanks for all the advise. I realize that 777 is a really bad idea but I'm at home behind a firewall and all that stuff. Here is a more complete stanza from my httpd.conf # # UserDir is disabled by default since it can confirm the presence # of a username on the system (depending on home directory # permissions). # # UserDir disable # # To enable requests to /~user/ to serve the user's public_html # directory, remove the "UserDir disable" line above, and uncomment # the following line instead: # UserDir public_html # # Control access to UserDir directories. The following is an example # for a site where these directories are restricted to read-only. # AllowOverride FileInfo AuthConfig Limit Options MultiViews Indexes SymLinksIfOwnerMatch IncludesNoExec Order allow,deny Allow from all Order deny,allow Deny from all I'm not sure how to "show directory contents". I am sure permissions are way overkill. Its just something simple I'm sure but its eluding me. Pretty much par for the course today. Jack On Tue, 2005-01-04 at 07:47 -0800, Aaron Leininger wrote: > > For some reason I am not able to get Apache to display the > > public_html contents of a users home directory to work. I > > keep getting a 403 error Forbidden. > > > > The log has this line: > > [Tue Jan 04 06:00:37 2005] [error] [client 192.168.1.130] > > (13)Permission > > denied: access to /~jack denied > > > > The whole url would be: http://homeserver/~jack > Set your /home/jack so that everyone has read access. Maybe 754 or 755. > Also make sure /home/jack/public_html has at least read access for everyone. > Again something like 754 or 755. Try bringing up web page again in > public_html folder. If you still don't see the folder contents, create a > file and try and access it directly > > http://yourserver/~jack/somefile.html If that works, then the problem is w/ > showing directory contents and not w/ the permissions. > > Aaron > > > > > That should do it but it doesn't work. I'm not sure what I > > am missing here. > > > > As a last resort I've made the permissions for the /home/jack > > directory > > 777 > > > > Also the /home is set for 777 > > -- > > Jack > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Jack From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Jan 4 21:51:32 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 15:51:32 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Apache userdir not working In-Reply-To: <1104874713.6805.10.camel@w72l-penguin.ww007.siemens.net> Message-ID: <005d01c4f2a7$8d9503b0$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> > Here is a more complete stanza from my httpd.conf > > # > # UserDir is disabled by default since it can confirm the presence > # of a username on the system (depending on home directory > # permissions). > # > # UserDir disable > > # > # To enable requests to /~user/ to serve the user's public_html > # directory, remove the "UserDir disable" line above, and > uncomment > # the following line instead: > # > UserDir public_html Looks like you still need to follow Jesus' recommendation from earlier and uncomment the "UserDir disable" line and edit it to "UserDir enable". That needs to be done before anything will work. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dahopkins at comcast.net Tue Jan 4 22:17:00 2005 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 22:17:00 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] USB Device Support on thin clients Message-ID: <010420052217.6713.41DB15DC0004B6A200001A3922007481849C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Jim, I just upgraded to LTSP 4.1 last week, and usb mice/keyboards seem to be autodetected (if you are using LTSP 4.1). For usb keychain drives, the wiki has a couple of ways of using them. LTSP doesn't yet support them as local drives (but supposedly it is very close to doing so). You should only need to load a given module once as far as I know, so usb-ohci can be loaded just once. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins -------------- Original message -------------- > This may be a stupid question but here it goes :-) > > What do I do if I want to configure more than one usb device on a thin > client? Say I want a printer and a mouse, individually they would be > setup as follows: > > Printer: > MODULE_01 = usb-ohci > MODULE_02 = printer > PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/usb/lp0 > PRINTER_0_TYPE = S > > Mouse: > MODULE_01 = usb-ohci > MODULE_02 = mousedev > MODULE_03 = usbmouse > X_MOUSE_DEVICE = /dev/input/mice > > Now if I list both of those under the same thin client in lts.conf won't > the MODULE_0X conflict with each other? Or should I add this in like > so: > > Printer and Mouse: > MODULE_01 = usb-ohci > MODULE_02 = printer > PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/usb/lp0 > PRINTER_0_TYPE = S > MODULE_03 = usb-ohci > MODULE_04 = mousedev > MODULE_05 = usbmouse > X_MOUSE_DEVICE = /dev/input/mice > > I hope what I am asking is clear. If the latter is correct would I > continue onto MODULE_06 - whatever to add say a keyboard and USB > Keychain drive as long as I have enough ports or a usb hub? If the > prior setup is correct is there a limit to how many MODULE sequences I > can have or are available USB ports my only limitation? > > Thanks, > > Jim Kronebusch > Cotter Tech Department > 507-453-5188 > jim at winonacotter.org > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jam at mcquil.com Tue Jan 4 23:04:22 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 18:04:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] USB Device Support on thin clients In-Reply-To: <005c01c4f2a6$cc7b44a0$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <005c01c4f2a6$cc7b44a0$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: Jim, Once you load a module, there's no point in loading it again. What you would probably need, is something like: MODULE_01 = usb-ohci MODULE_02 = printer MODULE_03 = mousedev MODULE_04 = usbmouse BUT, LTSP now will auto-detect the usb host controller interface and mouse, so you shouldn't need either 'usb-ohci' or the mouse modules, so it is entirely possible that you could get away with simply: MODULE_01 = printer PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/usb/lp0 PRINTER_0_TYPE = S and that should work. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Tue, 4 Jan 2005, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > This may be a stupid question but here it goes :-) > > What do I do if I want to configure more than one usb device on a thin > client? Say I want a printer and a mouse, individually they would be > setup as follows: > > Printer: > MODULE_01 = usb-ohci > MODULE_02 = printer > PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/usb/lp0 > PRINTER_0_TYPE = S > > Mouse: > MODULE_01 = usb-ohci > MODULE_02 = mousedev > MODULE_03 = usbmouse > X_MOUSE_DEVICE = /dev/input/mice > > Now if I list both of those under the same thin client in lts.conf won't > the MODULE_0X conflict with each other? Or should I add this in like > so: > > Printer and Mouse: > MODULE_01 = usb-ohci > MODULE_02 = printer > PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/usb/lp0 > PRINTER_0_TYPE = S > MODULE_03 = usb-ohci > MODULE_04 = mousedev > MODULE_05 = usbmouse > X_MOUSE_DEVICE = /dev/input/mice > > I hope what I am asking is clear. If the latter is correct would I > continue onto MODULE_06 - whatever to add say a keyboard and USB > Keychain drive as long as I have enough ports or a usb hub? If the > prior setup is correct is there a limit to how many MODULE sequences I > can have or are available USB ports my only limitation? > > Thanks, > > Jim Kronebusch > Cotter Tech Department > 507-453-5188 > jim at winonacotter.org > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Jan 4 23:30:44 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 18:30:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] gigabit In-Reply-To: <9bd31756050104111248de401a@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd31756050104111248de401a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41DB2724.40107@cmosnetworks.com> Ascension Tech wrote: >Hey All, >I'm looking to upgrade our network to full gigabit (instead of just >the backbone). Will i see a major boost in performance using gigabit >even with the pentuims and 486's? > >Happy new year! >Peter > > Negative. The clients don't benefit from anything beyond 100Mb. What does matter is that your server has Gigabit or faster, and that the server's plugged into a Gig-E switch port. Matter of fact, if you have Gig-E NICs that support being ganged together in an EtherChannel link, you can put two or three Gig-E NICs in your server and actually support 30+ people running TuxType simultaneously. It's all about server bandwidth. --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From robark at telus.net Tue Jan 4 23:53:21 2005 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 15:53:21 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Wiki ulimit.sh script & IceWM Message-ID: <1104882801.41db2c71951ff@webmail.telus.net> The wiki has an entry about making a script called ulimit.sh inside /etc/profile.d to limit the memory usage of any particular process. http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/limiting%20processes It works with GNOME but not with IceWM. Here is my IceWM file in /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions #!/bin/sh xhost +192.168.0.254 export GGI_DISPLAY=X:-noshm . /etc/profile.d/ltsp-esound.sh #/usr/bin/gnome-settings-daemon & /usr/bin/nautilus -n & exec /usr/bin/icewm I have tried uncommenting gnome-settigs-daemon entry but no luck. I can still swamp the server with a single c++ program that allocates TOO much memory. PS xhost ... is for VNC reflector and export GGI... is for the game KOTH Robert Arkiletian From sudev at mantraonline.com Tue Jan 4 23:49:50 2005 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 05:19:50 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Apache userdir not working In-Reply-To: <1104838279.6805.5.camel@w72l-penguin.ww007.siemens.net> References: <1104838279.6805.5.camel@w72l-penguin.ww007.siemens.net> Message-ID: <1104882590.3738.12.camel@roop.ltsp> On Tue, 2005-01-04 at 06:31 -0500, Jack wrote: > For some reason I am not able to get Apache to display the public_html > contents of a users home directory to work. I keep getting a 403 error > Forbidden. > > The log has this line: > [Tue Jan 04 06:00:37 2005] [error] [client 192.168.1.130] (13)Permission > denied: access to /~jack denied > > The whole url would be: http://homeserver/~jack > > I've uncommented the userdir section in the httpd.conf file and > restarted apache: > > > # > # UserDir is disabled by default since it can confirm the presence > # of a username on the system (depending on home directory > # permissions). > # > # UserDir disable > > # > # To enable requests to /~user/ to serve the user's public_html > # directory, remove the "UserDir disable" line above, and uncomment > # the following line instead: > # > UserDir public_html > > > > That should do it but it doesn't work. I'm not sure what I am missing > here. > > As a last resort I've made the permissions for the /home/jack directory > 777 > > Also the /home is set for 777 You need to set /home/user to 711 and /home/user/public_html to 755 Setting 777 is not the answer. Try using chmod -R 711 /home/user. HTH -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From jackpal at cfl.rr.com Wed Jan 5 01:35:28 2005 From: jackpal at cfl.rr.com (Jack) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 20:35:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Apache userdir not working In-Reply-To: <1104882590.3738.12.camel@roop.ltsp> References: <1104838279.6805.5.camel@w72l-penguin.ww007.siemens.net> <1104882590.3738.12.camel@roop.ltsp> Message-ID: <1104888928.6805.12.camel@w72l-penguin.ww007.siemens.net> Removed the line as Jesus said but still having the same error: # # UserDir is disabled by default since it can confirm the presence # of a username on the system (depending on home directory # permissions). # # # To enable requests to /~user/ to serve the user's public_html # directory, remove the "UserDir disable" line above, and uncomment # the following line instead: # UserDir public_html # # Control access to UserDir directories. The following is an example # for a site where these directories are restricted to read-only. # AllowOverride FileInfo AuthConfig Limit Options MultiViews Indexes SymLinksIfOwnerMatch IncludesNoExec Order allow,deny Allow from all Order deny,allow Deny from all Permissions have been changed to 711 for /home/jack and 755 for public_html. I've done this before. Sometimes Apache is a mystery for me. Jack On Wed, 2005-01-05 at 05:19 +0530, Sudev Barar wrote: > On Tue, 2005-01-04 at 06:31 -0500, Jack wrote: > > For some reason I am not able to get Apache to display the public_html > > contents of a users home directory to work. I keep getting a 403 error > > Forbidden. > > > > The log has this line: > > [Tue Jan 04 06:00:37 2005] [error] [client 192.168.1.130] (13)Permission > > denied: access to /~jack denied > > > > The whole url would be: http://homeserver/~jack > > > > I've uncommented the userdir section in the httpd.conf file and > > restarted apache: > > > > > > # > > # UserDir is disabled by default since it can confirm the presence > > # of a username on the system (depending on home directory > > # permissions). > > # > > # UserDir disable > > > > # > > # To enable requests to /~user/ to serve the user's public_html > > # directory, remove the "UserDir disable" line above, and uncomment > > # the following line instead: > > # > > UserDir public_html > > > > > > > > That should do it but it doesn't work. I'm not sure what I am missing > > here. > > > > As a last resort I've made the permissions for the /home/jack directory > > 777 > > > > Also the /home is set for 777 > > You need to set /home/user to 711 and /home/user/public_html to 755 > Setting 777 is not the answer. Try using chmod -R 711 /home/user. > > HTH > -- Jack From dalen at czexan.net Wed Jan 5 04:33:02 2005 From: dalen at czexan.net (dale) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 22:33:02 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] yum update warning Message-ID: <41DB6DFE.2010206@czexan.net> I just installed k12ltsp 4.2.0 and ran yum update and noticed the following. Should I be concerned with the fedora-scribus.desktop issue? Thanks, Dale Installing: kernel 100 % done 1/25 Updating: tetex-fonts 100 % done 2/25 Updating: tetex-dvips 100 % done 3/25 Updating: libtiff 100 % done 4/25 Updating: cups-libs 100 % done 5/25 Updating: tetex 100 % done 6/25 Updating: tetex-latex 100 % done 7/25 Updating: tetex-afm 100 % done 8/25 Updating: selinux-policy-targeted 100 % done 9/25 Updating: tetex-xdvi 100 % done 10/25 File '/usr/share/applications/fedora-scribus.desktop' contains invalid MIME type 'scd,scd.gz,sla,sla.gz' that contains invalid characters Updating: policycoreutils 100 % done 11/25 Updating: pcmcia-cs 100 % done 12/25 Updating: cups 100 % done 13/25 Completing update for libtiff - 14/25 Completing update for tetex-afm - 15/25 Completing update for selinux-policy-targeted - 16/25 Completing update for tetex-xdvi - 17/25 Completing update for tetex-dvips - 18/25 Completing update for tetex - 19/25 Completing update for tetex-latex - 20/25 Completing update for cups-libs - 21/25 Completing update for policycoreutils - 22/25 Completing update for pcmcia-cs - 23/25 Completing update for tetex-fonts - 24/25 Completing update for cups - 25/25 From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Wed Jan 5 08:39:10 2005 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 08:39:10 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Methods for documenting systems and procedures In-Reply-To: <1104874051.14898.78.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1104868911.4597.77.camel@phoenix.media.local> <1104874051.14898.78.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <200501050839.10578.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> On Tuesday 04 Jan 2005 9:27 pm, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Tue, 2005-01-04 at 14:01, Henry Burroughs wrote: > > Does anyone use a wiki? I'm considering dokuwiki to store all my > > system and process documentation. > > I use twiki (http://www.twiki.org/). It has some nice plug-in We use MoinMoin http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/ This particular wiki has one huge advantage over twiki; you can get it running without having access to the httpd.conf file. We run our wiki on shared web server and the ISP does not allow you to change the apache config files. Running it on an external server means that our documentation is safe in the event that the school burns down. I have done DR four times (including worse case) and you can never have enough documentation. -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. 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Please wait. ---> Package j2re.i586 0:1.4.2_05-fcs set to be updated --> Running transaction check --> Processing Dependency: j2re= 1.4.2 for package: mozilla-j2re --> Finished Dependency Resolution Error: missing dep: j2re for pkg mozilla-j2re ======= If I use j2re-1.4.2_05-fcs then I cannot install mozilla-j2re and if I install mozilla-j2re with --nodeps then firefox crashes. I have no ideas how to update system without uninstalling mozilla-j2re From les at futuresource.com Wed Jan 5 13:40:08 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 07:40:08 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] mozilla-j2re and yum In-Reply-To: <41DBBEBE.1080908@pm.ee> References: <20050104221753.065CD73F3B@hormel.redhat.com> <41DBBEBE.1080908@pm.ee> Message-ID: <1104932407.391.4.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-01-05 at 04:17, mella wrote: > > I try here new 4.2.0 and I have some mozilla/java/yum problems. > > After update from 4.0.1 I cannot "yum update" because of mozilla-j2re. > > If I use j2re package j2re-1.4.2-11.1.fc3.rf.i586.rpm Where is that from? I just ran /usr/sbin/get.java (from the "install additional software" folder on root's desktop) and it updates correctly. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Jan 5 13:50:18 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 07:50:18 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Apache userdir not working In-Reply-To: <1104888928.6805.12.camel@w72l-penguin.ww007.siemens.net> Message-ID: <000c01c4f32d$7e052200$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> > Removed the line as Jesus said but still having the same error: > > > # > # UserDir is disabled by default since it can confirm the presence > # of a username on the system (depending on home directory > # permissions). > # > > # > # To enable requests to /~user/ to serve the user's public_html > # directory, remove the "UserDir disable" line above, and > uncomment > # the following line instead: > # > UserDir public_html Don't remove the line completely. Be sure it is uncommented and reads "UserDir enable". -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jas at ehtcf.co.cu Wed Jan 5 14:00:51 2005 From: jas at ehtcf.co.cu (Jesus Aneiros Sosa) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 10:00:51 -0400 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Apache userdir not working In-Reply-To: <1104874713.6805.10.camel@w72l-penguin.ww007.siemens.net> References: <20050104154736.CAAA1173CD@mail.ttsd.k12.or.us> <1104874713.6805.10.camel@w72l-penguin.ww007.siemens.net> Message-ID: <32866.192.168.57.4.1104933651.squirrel@caronte.ehtcf.co.cu> > Thanks for all the advise. I realize that 777 is a really bad idea but > I'm at home behind a firewall and all that stuff. Here is a more Well Jack, the problem is not only with the "bad guys" from outside. In this scenario everybody will be able to write in everybodies home directories. > complete stanza from my httpd.conf Remember to uncomment the line with UserDir and change it to UserDir enable. > > # > # UserDir is disabled by default since it can confirm the presence # > of a username on the system (depending on home directory > # permissions). > # > # UserDir disable > > # > # To enable requests to /~user/ to serve the user's public_html # > directory, remove the "UserDir disable" line above, and uncomment # > the following line instead: > # > UserDir public_html > > > > # > # Control access to UserDir directories. The following is an example # > for a site where these directories are restricted to read-only. > # > > AllowOverride FileInfo AuthConfig Limit > Options MultiViews Indexes SymLinksIfOwnerMatch IncludesNoExec > > Order allow,deny > Allow from all > > > Order deny,allow > Deny from all > > > > I'm not sure how to "show directory contents". I am sure permissions > are way overkill. Its just something simple I'm sure but its eluding > me. Pretty much par for the course today. > > Jack -- Mensaje analizado en busca de virus y otros contenidos peligrosos, se considera que est? limpio. MailScanner en la EHT "Perla del Sur". From jas at ehtcf.co.cu Wed Jan 5 14:06:34 2005 From: jas at ehtcf.co.cu (Jesus Aneiros Sosa) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 10:06:34 -0400 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] mozilla-j2re and yum In-Reply-To: <41DBBEBE.1080908@pm.ee> References: <20050104221753.065CD73F3B@hormel.redhat.com> <41DBBEBE.1080908@pm.ee> Message-ID: <32876.192.168.57.4.1104933994.squirrel@caronte.ehtcf.co.cu> > Hi! > > I try here new 4.2.0 and I have some mozilla/java/yum problems. > > After update from 4.0.1 I cannot "yum update" because of mozilla-j2re. > > If I use j2re package j2re-1.4.2-11.1.fc3.rf.i586.rpm > then yum update give: > ========= > Resolving Dependencies > --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. ---> > Package j2re.i586 0:1.4.2_05-fcs set to be updated > --> Running transaction check > --> Processing Dependency: j2re= 1.4.2 for package: mozilla-j2re > --> Finished Dependency Resolution > Error: missing dep: j2re for pkg mozilla-j2re > ======= > > If I use j2re-1.4.2_05-fcs then I cannot install mozilla-j2re and if I > install mozilla-j2re with --nodeps then firefox crashes. > > I have no ideas how to update system without uninstalling mozilla-j2re What about if you download the packages and then use rpm to install them? Remember to put both packages in the same line of rpm command execution: rpm -Uvh pack1 pack2 --aneiros. -- Mensaje analizado en busca de virus y otros contenidos peligrosos, se considera que est? limpio. MailScanner en la EHT "Perla del Sur". From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Jan 5 14:09:29 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 08:09:29 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] gigabit In-Reply-To: <41DB2724.40107@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <001601c4f330$2c082e90$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> > Negative. The clients don't benefit from anything beyond 100Mb. What is the hold back? Is it just the fact that even if the clients had GB NICs the server would only be able to take in x amount of data so it wouldn't matter, or is it that LTSP won't recognize and support GB NICs at the client level? -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jas at ehtcf.co.cu Wed Jan 5 14:09:49 2005 From: jas at ehtcf.co.cu (Jesus Aneiros Sosa) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 10:09:49 -0400 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Apache userdir not working In-Reply-To: <1104888928.6805.12.camel@w72l-penguin.ww007.siemens.net> References: <1104838279.6805.5.camel@w72l-penguin.ww007.siemens.net> <1104882590.3738.12.camel@roop.ltsp> <1104888928.6805.12.camel@w72l-penguin.ww007.siemens.net> Message-ID: <32901.192.168.57.4.1104934189.squirrel@caronte.ehtcf.co.cu> > Removed the line as Jesus said but still having the same error: Sorry for deleting the line. You must uncomment and change to UserDir enable. --aneiros. > > > # > # UserDir is disabled by default since it can confirm the presence # > of a username on the system (depending on home directory > # permissions). > # > > # > # To enable requests to /~user/ to serve the user's public_html # > directory, remove the "UserDir disable" line above, and uncomment # > the following line instead: > # > UserDir public_html > > > > # > # Control access to UserDir directories. The following is an example # > for a site where these directories are restricted to read-only. > # > > AllowOverride FileInfo AuthConfig Limit > Options MultiViews Indexes SymLinksIfOwnerMatch IncludesNoExec > > Order allow,deny > Allow from all > > > Order deny,allow > Deny from all > > > > Permissions have been changed to 711 for /home/jack and 755 for > public_html. I've done this before. Sometimes Apache is a mystery for > me. > > Jack > > > On Wed, 2005-01-05 at 05:19 +0530, Sudev Barar wrote: >> On Tue, 2005-01-04 at 06:31 -0500, Jack wrote: >> > For some reason I am not able to get Apache to display the >> public_html contents of a users home directory to work. I keep >> getting a 403 error Forbidden. >> > >> > The log has this line: >> > [Tue Jan 04 06:00:37 2005] [error] [client 192.168.1.130] >> (13)Permission denied: access to /~jack denied >> > >> > The whole url would be: http://homeserver/~jack >> > >> > I've uncommented the userdir section in the httpd.conf file and >> restarted apache: >> > >> > >> > # >> > # UserDir is disabled by default since it can confirm the >> presence # of a username on the system (depending on home >> directory # permissions). >> > # >> > # UserDir disable >> > >> > # >> > # To enable requests to /~user/ to serve the user's public_html >> # directory, remove the "UserDir disable" line above, and >> uncomment # the following line instead: >> > # >> > UserDir public_html >> > >> > >> > >> > That should do it but it doesn't work. I'm not sure what I am >> missing >> > here. >> > >> > As a last resort I've made the permissions for the /home/jack >> directory 777 >> > >> > Also the /home is set for 777 >> >> You need to set /home/user to 711 and /home/user/public_html to 755 >> Setting 777 is not the answer. Try using chmod -R 711 /home/user. >> >> HTH >> > -- > Jack > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- > Mensaje analizado en busca de virus y otros > contenidos peligrosos, se considera que est? limpio. > MailScanner en la EHT "Perla del Sur". -- Mensaje analizado en busca de virus y otros contenidos peligrosos, se considera que est? limpio. MailScanner en la EHT "Perla del Sur". From jas at ehtcf.co.cu Wed Jan 5 14:16:33 2005 From: jas at ehtcf.co.cu (Jesus Aneiros Sosa) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 10:16:33 -0400 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Wiki ulimit.sh script & IceWM In-Reply-To: <1104882801.41db2c71951ff@webmail.telus.net> References: <1104882801.41db2c71951ff@webmail.telus.net> Message-ID: <32913.192.168.57.4.1104934593.squirrel@caronte.ehtcf.co.cu> > > > The wiki has an entry about making a script called ulimit.sh inside > /etc/profile.d to limit the memory usage of any particular process. And what about /etc/security/limits.conf --aneiros. -- Mensaje analizado en busca de virus y otros contenidos peligrosos, se considera que est? limpio. MailScanner en la EHT "Perla del Sur". From jas at ehtcf.co.cu Wed Jan 5 14:24:07 2005 From: jas at ehtcf.co.cu (Jesus Aneiros Sosa) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 10:24:07 -0400 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Methods for documenting systems and procedures In-Reply-To: <4892876105010412154be26f5@mail.gmail.com> References: <1104868911.4597.77.camel@phoenix.media.local> <4892876105010412154be26f5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <32932.192.168.57.4.1104935047.squirrel@caronte.ehtcf.co.cu> > text file under /root called changes.txt > when i make a change i put the date/time/change Better to put it in a log on paper or on a file outside the server. Your server could say Bye-bye and you'll find yourself without any ideas of the changes you'll have to do post-reinstall. --aneiros. -- Mensaje analizado en busca de virus y otros contenidos peligrosos, se considera que est? limpio. MailScanner en la EHT "Perla del Sur". From jas at ehtcf.co.cu Wed Jan 5 14:26:31 2005 From: jas at ehtcf.co.cu (Jesus Aneiros Sosa) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 10:26:31 -0400 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Floppy Woes In-Reply-To: <20050104191635.59946.qmail@web41906.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050104170040.CFE17731B0@hormel.redhat.com> <20050104191635.59946.qmail@web41906.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <32945.192.168.57.4.1104935191.squirrel@caronte.ehtcf.co.cu> > Hi all, > I have a server that won't allow the clients to use > the floppy drive. I could have sworn I had it working > a few months ago. I know I had it working on another > LTSP server. I checked my lts.conf file and the > approporiate line is uncommented. When I use the > mtools gui interface to access the floppy, it shows > the following message: > can't open /dev/fd0: No such device or address > Cannot initalize 'A:' > There is a popup window that says "There is no floppy > in the drive" > In /var/log/messages it says kernel: end_request: I/O > error, dev 02:00 (floppy), sector 0 > It is running k12ltsp 4.0.1 > Any ideas? Thanks What says the following command: dmesg | grep fd --aneiros. -- Mensaje analizado en busca de virus y otros contenidos peligrosos, se considera que est? limpio. MailScanner en la EHT "Perla del Sur". From jas at ehtcf.co.cu Wed Jan 5 14:29:19 2005 From: jas at ehtcf.co.cu (Jesus Aneiros Sosa) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 10:29:19 -0400 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] OpenMosix+k12ltsp In-Reply-To: <1104863836.4597.68.camel@phoenix.media.local> References: <20050104170039.B405B73B20@hormel.redhat.com> <1104863836.4597.68.camel@phoenix.media.local> Message-ID: <32956.192.168.57.4.1104935359.squirrel@caronte.ehtcf.co.cu> Hi Henry, > I've got a kid who's doing a science fair project, and we fell back to > using 4 or 5 clusterKnoppix cds to get the job done (I couldn't get > terminal services mode on those cds working properly... plus too many > dhcp conflicts on my current network config). We are just using povray > and the povray benchmark (skyvase.pov). Could you be so kind to tell a little bit more about using clusterKnoppix or point me to some URLs? TIA, --aneiros. -- Mensaje analizado en busca de virus y otros contenidos peligrosos, se considera que est? limpio. MailScanner en la EHT "Perla del Sur". From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Jan 5 14:06:31 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 08:06:31 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] USB Device Support on thin clients In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001301c4f32f$c1a0f460$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> > Once you load a module, there's no point in loading it again. > > What you would probably need, is something like: > > MODULE_01 = usb-ohci > MODULE_02 = printer > MODULE_03 = mousedev > MODULE_04 = usbmouse > > BUT, LTSP now will auto-detect the usb host controller > interface and mouse, so you shouldn't need either 'usb-ohci' > or the mouse modules, so it is entirely possible that you > could get away with simply: > > MODULE_01 = printer > PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/usb/lp0 > PRINTER_0_TYPE = S I am not sure if my question was completely understood (or I am unfamiliar enough to not understand a good answer). I just used the USB keyboard and mouse with a printer as an example. Lets say I want the scanner and a printer. Lets say the scanner is SCSI and the printer is USB. So I would need to add the following to the workstation section in lts.conf: MODULE_01 = usb-ohci MODULE_02 = printer MODULE_03 = mousedev MODULE_04 = usbmouse MODULE_01 = sym53c416 MODULE_02 = sgi Now my question is would the above be correct, or should the MODULE for the SCSI card start at MODULE_05 - 06? Example below: MODULE_01 = usb-ohci MODULE_02 = printer MODULE_03 = mousedev MODULE_04 = usbmouse MODULE_05 = sym53c416 MODULE_06 = sgi I guess my question isn't really pertaining to how to get specific devices to work, just theoretically if I had to load more than one device per client what would the proper syntax be. Is LTSP smart enough to look at each instance of MODULE_01 as a new device and just know that every module specifice in sequence thereafter is just settings pertaining to the MODULE_01? I hope this is more clear. Thanks, -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Wed Jan 5 14:41:58 2005 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 09:41:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 11, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: <20050101170020.EE87473B14@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050101170020.EE87473B14@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1104936117.4597.1159.camel@phoenix.media.local> Gavin, I've seen this type of technology before demoed (I don't remember the brand). Basically, it is interactive remotes for the class. You can run a powerpoint or other type of presentation (using their software), and quiz the kids on it (multiple choice, etc). You then get instant results (how many didn't understand, how many got it right, etc), and can even have kids punch in the answers from their homework the night before on the remote (if it was multiple choice), and bing.. you've got graded homework. The device I saw didn't have software compatible with linux. With this company, the cost is in the hardware (they want to encourage people to write software to work with their hardware). So this is really cool that you can use Linux with one of these types of devices. Henry > > ______________________________________________________________________ > From: Gavin Chester > To: k12 > Subject: [K12OSN] new software for schools > Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 23:44:10 +0800 > > I thought to pass on this news snippet that I stumbled across. I know > nothing about this company or its software, but since its product is > educationally related someone may be interested: > > #################### > December 22nd, 2004: H-ITT's Acquisition software, used for collecting > responses from students in the classroom now runs on Linux, Mac OS X, > and Windows operating systems. With this release H-ITT becomes the first > vendor to release software for Windows, Mac OSX, and Linux operating > systems. http://www.h-itt.com/ > ################### > > I had a quick look and the software is free, but no mention of source > code license. Seems you need some specific hardware to use the > software. From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Jan 5 14:28:34 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 09:28:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] gigabit In-Reply-To: <001601c4f330$2c082e90$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001601c4f330$2c082e90$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, January 05, 2005 at 9:09 AM +0000 wrote: >The clients don't benefit from anything beyond 100Mb. Why? If the server has gigabit, the clients have gigabit, and the network is gigabit...why wouldn't the data be served at gigabit speed? There are some gigabit cards that etherboot will work with (not sure about PXE)....I've always wanted to try the whole thing at gigabit speed...I have gigabit servers and backbone, but my clients are 100baseT....I'd love to see how much fast it'd be if it was gigabit through and through. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From les at futuresource.com Wed Jan 5 14:47:18 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 08:47:18 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Apache userdir not working In-Reply-To: <32901.192.168.57.4.1104934189.squirrel@caronte.ehtcf.co.cu> References: <1104838279.6805.5.camel@w72l-penguin.ww007.siemens.net> <1104882590.3738.12.camel@roop.ltsp> <1104888928.6805.12.camel@w72l-penguin.ww007.siemens.net> <32901.192.168.57.4.1104934189.squirrel@caronte.ehtcf.co.cu> Message-ID: <1104936438.391.32.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-01-05 at 08:09, Jesus Aneiros Sosa wrote: > > Removed the line as Jesus said but still having the same error: > > Sorry for deleting the line. You must uncomment and change to UserDir enable. It works for me by following the directions in httpd.conf to comment the 'UserDir disable' and uncomment 'UserDir public_html' and restarting httpd. I think there is still some filesystem permission issue based on the error log entry. Does it still give the same error? --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Jan 5 14:28:34 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 09:28:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] gigabit In-Reply-To: <001601c4f330$2c082e90$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001601c4f330$2c082e90$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, January 05, 2005 at 9:09 AM +0000 wrote: >The clients don't benefit from anything beyond 100Mb. Why? If the server has gigabit, the clients have gigabit, and the network is gigabit...why wouldn't the data be served at gigabit speed? There are some gigabit cards that etherboot will work with (not sure about PXE)....I've always wanted to try the whole thing at gigabit speed...I have gigabit servers and backbone, but my clients are 100baseT....I'd love to see how much fast it'd be if it was gigabit through and through. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From jwhite at shaker.k12.nh.us Wed Jan 5 15:19:13 2005 From: jwhite at shaker.k12.nh.us (Jon White) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 10:19:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Public Key not available Message-ID: <1104938352.2825.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Good Morning, I'm using the K12LTSP 4.2.0 disks to setup a small web server (custom install, none of the LTSP or Educational packages installed). When I first tried to do yum update I was told that I didn't have any keys installed. I scanned back through the archives and found an e-mail from Eric saying to run "rpm --import http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/k12ltsp.asc" for a similar error, so I tried that and it looked like it setup the key. Now when I do a yum update I get a "public key not available for //var/cache/yum/k12ltsp/packages/..." error. Is there a particular package I should have installed to get the key, and/or where can I find the key now? Thanks. -- Jonathan S. White Computer Technician Shaker Regional School District jwhite at shaker.k12.nh.us (603) 267-9223 From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Jan 5 15:03:31 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 09:03:31 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] gigabit In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001c01c4f337$b8204550$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> > Why? If the server has gigabit, the clients have gigabit, > and the network is gigabit...why wouldn't the data be served > at gigabit speed? There are some gigabit cards that > etherboot will work with (not sure about PXE)....I've always > wanted to try the whole thing at gigabit speed...I have > gigabit servers and backbone, but my clients are > 100baseT....I'd love to see how much fast it'd be if it was > gigabit through and through. Exactly what I was thinking. Then eliminate the bottleneck at the server with Adapter Teaming configured for ALB and team together a series of GB NICs for mega throughput. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jam at mcquil.com Wed Jan 5 15:28:00 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 10:28:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] USB Device Support on thin clients In-Reply-To: <001301c4f32f$c1a0f460$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001301c4f32f$c1a0f460$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: Jim, You'd definately want to use MODULE_05 and MODULE_06 for the 5th and 6th modules. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Wed, 5 Jan 2005, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > > Once you load a module, there's no point in loading it again. > > > > What you would probably need, is something like: > > > > MODULE_01 = usb-ohci > > MODULE_02 = printer > > MODULE_03 = mousedev > > MODULE_04 = usbmouse > > > > BUT, LTSP now will auto-detect the usb host controller > > interface and mouse, so you shouldn't need either 'usb-ohci' > > or the mouse modules, so it is entirely possible that you > > could get away with simply: > > > > MODULE_01 = printer > > PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/usb/lp0 > > PRINTER_0_TYPE = S > > I am not sure if my question was completely understood (or I am > unfamiliar enough to not understand a good answer). > > I just used the USB keyboard and mouse with a printer as an example. > Lets say I want the scanner and a printer. Lets say the scanner is SCSI > and the printer is USB. So I would need to add the following to the > workstation section in lts.conf: > > MODULE_01 = usb-ohci > MODULE_02 = printer > MODULE_03 = mousedev > MODULE_04 = usbmouse > > MODULE_01 = sym53c416 > MODULE_02 = sgi > > Now my question is would the above be correct, or should the MODULE for > the SCSI card start at MODULE_05 - 06? Example below: > > MODULE_01 = usb-ohci > MODULE_02 = printer > MODULE_03 = mousedev > MODULE_04 = usbmouse > > MODULE_05 = sym53c416 > MODULE_06 = sgi > > I guess my question isn't really pertaining to how to get specific > devices to work, just theoretically if I had to load more than one > device per client what would the proper syntax be. Is LTSP smart enough > to look at each instance of MODULE_01 as a new device and just know that > every module specifice in sequence thereafter is just settings > pertaining to the MODULE_01? > > I hope this is more clear. > > Thanks, > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From Greg.Thoyre at orange.k12.nc.us Wed Jan 5 16:30:19 2005 From: Greg.Thoyre at orange.k12.nc.us (Greg Thoyre) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 11:30:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] i586, i686? how do I tell? (off topic) Message-ID: <4EA4619FAF476A458251D2BF640192EF94DF42@OCSMAIL.orange.k12.nc.us> You can also use uname -p. All e-mail correspondence to and from this address is subject to the North Carolina Public Records Law, which may result in monitoring and disclosure to third parties, including law enforcement. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les at futuresource.com Wed Jan 5 16:40:09 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 10:40:09 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] gigabit In-Reply-To: References: <001601c4f330$2c082e90$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1104943209.405.63.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-01-05 at 08:28, David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Wednesday, January 05, 2005 at 9:09 AM +0000 wrote: > >The clients don't benefit from anything beyond 100Mb. > > Why? If the server has gigabit, the clients have gigabit, and the network > is gigabit...why wouldn't the data be served at gigabit speed? If the server is only serving one or a few clients and the clients are faster than around 500Mhz, you might see a small difference but otherwise the performance bottleneck is more likely to be the server (both bandwidth and CPU are divided among all clients) or the client's ability to process and display the inbound data stream. The difference will still be small because for most operations 100M is enough for each client. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Wed Jan 5 16:46:35 2005 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 11:46:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenMosix+k12ltsp In-Reply-To: <32956.192.168.57.4.1104935359.squirrel@caronte.ehtcf.co.cu> References: <20050104170039.B405B73B20@hormel.redhat.com> <1104863836.4597.68.camel@phoenix.media.local> <32956.192.168.57.4.1104935359.squirrel@caronte.ehtcf.co.cu> Message-ID: <1104943595.4597.1212.camel@phoenix.media.local> Sure, I downloaded the cds from http://bofh.be/clusterknoppix/ I then burned a cd for each computer system, and they automatically detect each other. There are a number of programs provided on the system, one notably Povray. However, clusterKnoppix, like Knoppix boots off the cd. So unless you mount a directory off a USB device, network, hardrive, any data you generate will not be saved (plus, you might run out of ram). You could probably get other programs to work that aren't included by having them run off a network or hardrive. Henry On Wed, 2005-01-05 at 09:29, Jesus Aneiros Sosa wrote: > Hi Henry, > > > I've got a kid who's doing a science fair project, and we fell back to > > using 4 or 5 clusterKnoppix cds to get the job done (I couldn't get > > terminal services mode on those cds working properly... plus too many > > dhcp conflicts on my current network config). We are just using povray > > and the povray benchmark (skyvase.pov). > > Could you be so kind to tell a little bit more about using clusterKnoppix > or point me to some URLs? > > TIA, --aneiros. > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les at futuresource.com Wed Jan 5 17:05:46 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 11:05:46 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Public Key not available In-Reply-To: <1104938352.2825.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1104938352.2825.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1104944746.405.86.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-01-05 at 09:19, Jon White wrote: > Now when I do a yum update I get a "public key not available for > //var/cache/yum/k12ltsp/packages/..." error. > > Is there a particular package I should have installed to get the key, > and/or where can I find the key now? The easy way is to run up2date up to the point where it installs the key(s) for you. Then you can bail out and go back to yum. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Wed Jan 5 17:15:51 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 11:15:51 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Methods for documenting systems and procedures In-Reply-To: <32932.192.168.57.4.1104935047.squirrel@caronte.ehtcf.co.cu> References: <1104868911.4597.77.camel@phoenix.media.local> <4892876105010412154be26f5@mail.gmail.com> <32932.192.168.57.4.1104935047.squirrel@caronte.ehtcf.co.cu> Message-ID: <1104945351.405.97.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-01-05 at 08:24, Jesus Aneiros Sosa wrote: > > text file under /root called changes.txt > > when i make a change i put the date/time/change > > Better to put it in a log on paper or on a file outside the server. Your > server could say Bye-bye and you'll find yourself without any ideas of the > changes you'll have to do post-reinstall. Yet another benefit of using backuppc (running on a different PC than your server). It has a nice web interface that lets you browse through the files and view or download them directly as well as restore them. So, if a file existed on the server, you would still be able to view it easily after the crash. The stuff on a wiki would be difficult to navigate but not impossible. It would probably be a good idea to have the code pre-installed elsewhere so a quick restore of the current data into an existing directory (perhaps on the same machine as the one running backuppc) would make it all work normally again. Hmmm, I think I'll do that myself soon... --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From penguintiz at yahoo.com Wed Jan 5 17:24:16 2005 From: penguintiz at yahoo.com (David Tisdell) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 09:24:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Floppy Woes In-Reply-To: <20050105143021.3DD0B73434@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20050105172416.26952.qmail@web41905.mail.yahoo.com> >>>What says the following command: >>> >>>dmesg | grep fd ACPI: RSDP (v000 DELL ) @ 0x000fd790 ACPI: RSDT (v001 DELL GX110 0x00000007 ASL 0x00000061) @ 0x000fd7a4 ACPI: FADT (v001 DELL GX110 0x00000007 ASL 0x00000061) @ 0x000fd7cc Floppy drive(s): fd0 is 1.44M Thanks Dave __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From trondrm at online.no Wed Jan 5 18:37:34 2005 From: trondrm at online.no (Trond =?iso-8859-1?q?M=E6hlum?=) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 19:37:34 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound in 4.2 working In-Reply-To: <001601c4f330$2c082e90$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001601c4f330$2c082e90$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <200501051937.35062.trondrm@online.no> I installed K12LTSP 4.2 on a testserver today. I'm interested in the new sound hack. But some things are unclear. Does the hack only apply to esd? I edited /etc/sysconfig/k12ltsp and set hack to yes. Is there something more to it? I thought the hack was supposed to put .esd/socket it /tmp. It didn't. Nor after a reboot of the server. I then chose nasd as the sound system, and I got sound - also in flash in firefox. So I suppose I'd leave it at that. It's just the feeling of not understanding what's going on... But it's working. Now how do I adjust the volume from the terminal? Kmix did nothing, and gnome-volume-control complained about no sound server. It would be great to be able to adjust my excellent sound as well :) Regards Trond Maehlum From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Jan 5 19:27:36 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 14:27:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] printing quotas...I need a solution Message-ID: I know this has been tossed around before so pardon me for bringing it up again, but I need help. My printing situation is out of control...I need a solution not only for K12LTSP, but for the entire network...Windows, OS X, and K12LTSP. All of my printers are networked and we print via TCP/IP. I have a couple of Xerox Phaser 860DX's (color printers) and a bunch of Ricoh AP3200's (nice workhorse laser printers). All have built-in network cards and they work great...my problem is that printing is on the rise and spiraling out of control. I'm at the point where I need to enforce quotas per user. An open-source or at least an inexpensive Linux solution is preferred, but I'm open to almost anything. Right now we print directly to the printers with each printer as its own print server, but I'm open to using CUPS or capturing printers with a server. I've glanced at the PyKota page and it looks a little daunting, but maybe some of you can tell me otherwise. I'm wide open to ideas.... It'd also be great if whatever solution I end up with can integrate with my Samba/LDAP setup so I can continue to use the "common" user regardless of server or program ie: if my username is jsmith and my password is booger on my current setup (K12LTSP, Windows, etc.)...then I'd like to be able to have the same thing for the printing solution as well....have the printing solution authenticate to the Samba/LDAP server. This is not a MUST...just a desire. Fire away! Thanks! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Jan 5 19:29:03 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 14:29:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound in 4.2 working In-Reply-To: <200501051937.35062.trondrm@online.no> References: <001601c4f330$2c082e90$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> <200501051937.35062.trondrm@online.no> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, January 05, 2005 at 1:37 PM +0000 wrote: >I then chose nasd as the sound system, and I got sound - also in flash >in firefox. So I suppose I'd leave it at that. It's just the feeling of >not understanding what's going on... So are you saying that the esd hack does not do sound in Flash? Sound in Flash is important to us as well use sites like BrainPop and so forth. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From trondrm at online.no Wed Jan 5 19:32:47 2005 From: trondrm at online.no (Trond =?iso-8859-1?q?M=E6hlum?=) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 20:32:47 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound in 4.2 working In-Reply-To: References: <001601c4f330$2c082e90$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> <200501051937.35062.trondrm@online.no> Message-ID: <200501052032.47461.trondrm@online.no> onsdag 5. januar 2005, 20:29, skrev David Trask: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." > on > > Wednesday, January 05, 2005 at 1:37 PM +0000 wrote: > >I then chose nasd as the sound system, and I got sound - also in > > flash in firefox. So I suppose I'd leave it at that. It's just the > > feeling of not understanding what's going on... > > So are you saying that the esd hack does not do sound in Flash? > Sound in Flash is important to us as well use sites like BrainPop and > so forth. It didn't work for me before I manually made /tmp/.esd/socket, I don't understand what the sound hack did...? Or was supposed to do? Is there a script that has to be run after enabling the sound hack perhaps? Trond > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From rgibson57 at earthlink.net Wed Jan 5 19:47:12 2005 From: rgibson57 at earthlink.net (Rita Gibson) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 12:47:12 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound in 4.2 working In-Reply-To: <200501051937.35062.trondrm@online.no> References: <001601c4f330$2c082e90$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> <200501051937.35062.trondrm@online.no> Message-ID: <41DC4440.8080006@earthlink.net> Trond M?hlum wrote: >I installed K12LTSP 4.2 on a testserver today. I'm interested in the new >sound hack. But some things are unclear. Does the hack only apply to >esd? I edited /etc/sysconfig/k12ltsp and set hack to yes. Is there >something more to it? I thought the hack was supposed to >put .esd/socket it /tmp. It didn't. Nor after a reboot of the server. > >I then chose nasd as the sound system, and I got sound - also in flash >in firefox. So I suppose I'd leave it at that. It's just the feeling of >not understanding what's going on... > >But it's working. Now how do I adjust the volume from the terminal? Kmix >did nothing, and gnome-volume-control complained about no sound server. >It would be great to be able to adjust my excellent sound as well :) > > > We were never able to figure out how to adjust the volume on each of the terminals. We purchased headsets with a volume adjustment and that works. Rita Gibson RMSELTech From jas at ehtcf.co.cu Wed Jan 5 19:57:09 2005 From: jas at ehtcf.co.cu (Jesus Aneiros Sosa) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 15:57:09 -0400 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Floppy Woes In-Reply-To: <20050105172416.26952.qmail@web41905.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050105143021.3DD0B73434@hormel.redhat.com> <20050105172416.26952.qmail@web41905.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <55016.200.55.146.106.1104955029.squirrel@caronte.ehtcf.co.cu> > > >>>>What says the following command: >>>> >>>>dmesg | grep fd > > ACPI: RSDP (v000 DELL > ) @ 0x000fd790 > ACPI: RSDT (v001 DELL GX110 0x00000007 ASL > 0x00000061) @ 0x000fd7a4 > ACPI: FADT (v001 DELL GX110 0x00000007 ASL > 0x00000061) @ 0x000fd7cc > Floppy drive(s): fd0 is 1.44M The last line is the relevant. So we know the kernel is recognizing the floppy. What happens if you put a floopy in the drive and do a mount /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy ? --aneiros. -- Mensaje analizado en busca de virus y otros contenidos peligrosos, se considera que est? limpio. MailScanner en la EHT "Perla del Sur". From linuxsys at davisny.edu Wed Jan 5 20:35:34 2005 From: linuxsys at davisny.edu (Calvin Park) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 15:35:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] USB Flash Drives Message-ID: <1104957334.31139.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi all, We're getting ready for our spring semester to start here and I'd like to have the ability to plug in a USB flash drive to a terminal and access it. I've just recently got CDROM access working. Anyway...I've looked at the wiki but I don't want to use mtools and I tried Ron Baughman's method but it doesn't seem to work for me. So, does anyone have any idea how to get local USB support working (perhaps expand on Ron's excellent wiki article?) I also have a second idea that might work. I could run a USB extension from the server itself and into a USB hub in our lab room. However, when I do this users cannot access the storage device that is plugged into the server. I get a permissions error. So, alternatively, is there any way for a normal user logged in at the terminal to have access to a USB drive plugged into the server? This is new territory for me so if anyone could even just point me in a direction to go that'd be helpful. Thanks in advance. -- Calvin Park Assistant for Linux Systems Computer Services Department Davis College: A Practical college of Bible and Ministry web: www.davisny.edu email: linuxsys at davisny.edu phone: 607.729.1581 ext 404 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Jan 5 21:37:41 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 16:37:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound in 4.2 working In-Reply-To: <41DC4440.8080006@earthlink.net> References: <001601c4f330$2c082e90$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> < > <200501051937.35062.trondrm@online.no> <41DC4440.8080006@earthlink.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, January 05, 2005 at 2:47 PM +0000 wrote: >We were never able to figure out how to adjust the volume on each of the >terminals. We purchased headsets with a volume adjustment and that works. We did too...the volume is actually set in lts.conf David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From tkaldahl at maplewoodacademy.org Wed Jan 5 23:43:27 2005 From: tkaldahl at maplewoodacademy.org (Tim Kaldahl) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 15:43:27 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] {Spam?} Opportunity Message-ID: <200501051543.27799.tkaldahl@maplewoodacademy.org> I am helping put a tech coordinator's meeting together for all of the I.T. in the Seventh-Day Adventist School system in at the end of this month. (Is PAA sending you Huck?) My main contribution is going to be to set up a K12LTSP Demo. I happened to mention this to my CDW Rep who is also going to be there, and he is excited about the possibility of putting together a package that schools could just buy and have a turnkey network, as well as a list of specs that would go on our extranet for the more adventurous who would build from scratch. I want to make sure I do this right, so I asked if he could possibly bring a thin client to demo the K12 system. What could you recommend as a thin client? CDW of course is interested in selling them, so the rep asked if the HP T5300 would work. Since it comes pre-loaded with WinCE I'm doubtful, but you would know better than I. For my demo I am going to be using my Toshiba Laptop (currently running Vector Linux) with 512megs to boot two older laptops (that also work well with Vector Linux). I am going to be very brave and see if one of the people in the audience would be willing to try pxe booting their laptop just to show hw great it is. I am open to (and seeking) any advice from the collective wisdom of this group on do's or don'ts for this demo. TIA Tim Kaldahl Maplewood Academy I.T. Coordinator tkaldahl at maplewoodacademy.org www.maplewoodacademy.org From jackpal at cfl.rr.com Wed Jan 5 22:11:07 2005 From: jackpal at cfl.rr.com (Jack) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 17:11:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Apache userdir not working In-Reply-To: <1104936438.391.32.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <1104838279.6805.5.camel@w72l-penguin.ww007.siemens.net> <1104882590.3738.12.camel@roop.ltsp> <1104888928.6805.12.camel@w72l-penguin.ww007.siemens.net> <32901.192.168.57.4.1104934189.squirrel@caronte.ehtcf.co.cu> <1104936438.391.32.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1104963067.10939.0.camel@w72l-penguin.ww007.siemens.net> anybody have a clean httpd.conf ? :-) I might have screwed it up when I attempted an install of Nagios last month. Jack On Wed, 2005-01-05 at 08:47 -0600, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Wed, 2005-01-05 at 08:09, Jesus Aneiros Sosa wrote: > > > Removed the line as Jesus said but still having the same error: > > > > Sorry for deleting the line. You must uncomment and change to UserDir enable. > > It works for me by following the directions in httpd.conf > to comment the 'UserDir disable' and uncomment 'UserDir > public_html' and restarting httpd. I think there is still > some filesystem permission issue based on the error log > entry. Does it still give the same error? > > --- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Jack From petre at maltzen.net Wed Jan 5 22:39:34 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 16:39:34 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] printing quotas...I need a solution In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41DC6CA6.8010700@maltzen.net> Your best route might be to have your ltsp server or an old box running linux act as a print server for all computer systems, and then control the printing at the print server through samba. But getting quotas (usually it's called printer accounting) to work the way you want may be tricky. Google for 'printer accounting samba'. One good link I saw (good in that it explained the difficulty) was http://www.sunsite.ualberta.ca/Documentation/Misc/LPRng-3.6.13/LPRng-HOWTO-15.html HTH Petre David Trask wrote: > I know this has been tossed around before so pardon me for bringing it up > again, but I need help. My printing situation is out of control...I need > a solution not only for K12LTSP, but for the entire network...Windows, OS > X, and K12LTSP. All of my printers are networked and we print via TCP/IP. > I have a couple of Xerox Phaser 860DX's (color printers) and a bunch of > Ricoh AP3200's (nice workhorse laser printers). All have built-in network > cards and they work great...my problem is that printing is on the rise and > spiraling out of control. I'm at the point where I need to enforce quotas > per user. An open-source or at least an inexpensive Linux solution is > preferred, but I'm open to almost anything. Right now we print directly > to the printers with each printer as its own print server, but I'm open to > using CUPS or capturing printers with a server. I've glanced at the > PyKota page and it looks a little daunting, but maybe some of you can tell > me otherwise. I'm wide open to ideas.... It'd also be great if whatever > solution I end up with can integrate with my Samba/LDAP setup so I can > continue to use the "common" user regardless of server or program ie: if > my username is jsmith and my password is booger on my current setup > (K12LTSP, Windows, etc.)...then I'd like to be able to have the same thing > for the printing solution as well....have the printing solution > authenticate to the Samba/LDAP server. This is not a MUST...just a > desire. Fire away! Thanks! > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Jan 5 21:53:55 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 15:53:55 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound in 4.2 working In-Reply-To: References: <001601c4f330$2c082e90$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> < > <200501051937.35062.trondrm@online.no> <41DC4440.8080006@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20050105215133.M21607@winonacotter.org> > >We were never able to figure out how to adjust the volume on each of the > >terminals. We purchased headsets with a volume adjustment and that works. > > We did too...the volume is actually set in lts.conf My guess is that what was meant by the statement is that they were unable to give real time volume control to the individual users. I think most know that you can set a specific volume per client but that volume is unable to be controlled by a user. For user control headphones with a built in volume or a local set of speakers with a volume are the only options. Unless I am missing something. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Jan 5 18:42:07 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 12:42:07 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] USB Device Support on thin clients In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002901c4f356$420ea6d0$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> > Jim, > > You'd definately want to use MODULE_05 and MODULE_06 for the > 5th and 6th modules. Thanks Jim, that is all I needed to know. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From tlegge at rogers.com Thu Jan 6 00:05:46 2005 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 20:05:46 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] gigabit In-Reply-To: References: <001601c4f330$2c082e90$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1104969946.3725.40.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> On Wed, 2005-01-05 at 10:28, David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Wednesday, January 05, 2005 at 9:09 AM +0000 wrote: > >The clients don't benefit from anything beyond 100Mb. > > Why? If the server has gigabit, the clients have gigabit, and the network > is gigabit...why wouldn't the data be served at gigabit speed? There are > some gigabit cards that etherboot will work with (not sure about > PXE)....I've always wanted to try the whole thing at gigabit speed...I > have gigabit servers and backbone, but my clients are 100baseT....I'd love > to see how much fast it'd be if it was gigabit through and through. There are probably a couple of reasons. Many applications and servers aren't tuned to take advantage of the higher bandwidth. If you have ever downloaded a kernel via tftp using gigabit speed you might wonder why it takes so long. Even though many gigabit cards can support much larger packets, typically packets are 512 in size. That means that there are still kernel_size/512 packets and an equivalent number of acks. That means that your bottle neck is no longer the network but the speed of the tftp server and etherboot driver. The same would probably be true for nfs and X. There is only so much data. As some one pointed out, 100 Mbs is sufficient for most thin clients. The user only reacts so quickly and is probably the bottle neck. I have watched dvds on an Xterminal and the quality was excellent. Again, there was only so much data being sent to my terminal. On a busy network it would be slower but I only needed a 100 mbs NIC. Its like hooking fire hose to your outdoor water outlet. You probably won't fill a bucket any faster because there is only so much water pressure. As I see it, you remove the network as the bottleneck and you are then limited by the slower of the user or the application/server that you are using. I could be way off base on this, its based on my limited (and often incorrect) understanding of network cards and protocols. Tim From robark at telus.net Thu Jan 6 01:17:09 2005 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 17:17:09 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] printing quotas...I need a solution In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41DC9195.406@telus.net> David Trask wrote: >I know this has been tossed around before so pardon me for bringing it up >again, but I need help. My printing situation is out of control...I need >a solution not only for K12LTSP, but for the entire network...Windows, OS > > I have not tried PyKota but it's the only software that I know of for this purpose http://www.librelogiciel.com/software Hope it helps. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V219 From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Wed Jan 5 23:42:36 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 15:42:36 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] {Spam?} Opportunity In-Reply-To: <200501051543.27799.tkaldahl@maplewoodacademy.org> References: <200501051543.27799.tkaldahl@maplewoodacademy.org> Message-ID: I happened to mention this to my CDW Rep who is also going to be there, > and he is excited about the possibility of putting together a package that > schools could just buy and have a turnkey network I tried to get my CDW rep interested in this, with no success. CDW was involved in providing the hardware for a big install of thin client Linux in California and that is what triggered my interest. I'd like to talk with your rep--are you willing to share his name and number?. I've also got K12LTSP on my laptop for demo purposes, and would be glad to help in any way. Steve -- Steve Hargadon 916-652-8600 ext. 711 From microman at cmosnetworks.com Thu Jan 6 01:40:52 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 20:40:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] gigabit In-Reply-To: <1104969946.3725.40.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> References: <001601c4f330$2c082e90$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> <1104969946.3725.40.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> Message-ID: <41DC9724.4060107@cmosnetworks.com> Timothy Legge wrote: >On Wed, 2005-01-05 at 10:28, David Trask wrote: > > >>"Support list for opensource software in schools." on >>Wednesday, January 05, 2005 at 9:09 AM +0000 wrote: >> >> >>>The clients don't benefit from anything beyond 100Mb. >>> >>> >>Why? If the server has gigabit, the clients have gigabit, and the network >>is gigabit...why wouldn't the data be served at gigabit speed? There are >>some gigabit cards that etherboot will work with (not sure about >>PXE)....I've always wanted to try the whole thing at gigabit speed...I >>have gigabit servers and backbone, but my clients are 100baseT....I'd love >>to see how much fast it'd be if it was gigabit through and through. >> >> > >There are probably a couple of reasons. > >Many applications and servers aren't tuned to take advantage of the >higher bandwidth. > >If you have ever downloaded a kernel via tftp using gigabit speed you >might wonder why it takes so long. Even though many gigabit cards can >support much larger packets, typically packets are 512 in size. That >means that there are still kernel_size/512 packets and an equivalent >number of acks. That means that your bottle neck is no longer the >network but the speed of the tftp server and etherboot driver. The same >would probably be true for nfs and X. > >There is only so much data. As some one pointed out, 100 Mbs is >sufficient for most thin clients. The user only reacts so quickly and >is probably the bottle neck. I have watched dvds on an Xterminal and >the quality was excellent. Again, there was only so much data being >sent to my terminal. On a busy network it would be slower but I only >needed a 100 mbs NIC. Its like hooking fire hose to your outdoor water >outlet. You probably won't fill a bucket any faster because there is >only so much water pressure. > >As I see it, you remove the network as the bottleneck and you are then >limited by the slower of the user or the application/server that you are >using. > >I could be way off base on this, its based on my limited (and often >incorrect) understanding of network cards and protocols. > >Tim > > Tim, you're not off base at all. You're right on. The bandwidth test that I did with TuxType last year demonstrates this very well. X11 needs such-and-such amount of data per pixel update or keystroke to display screen changes and handle keystrokes. I deliberately went for an app that updated the heck out of the screen at 1024x768x24bit. Oh, remember all the mouse movements and the keystrokes that have to get transmitted as well--can't forget that, either. The max traffic used was 73Mb/sec. TuxType is pretty much updating every pixel every millisecond--very much an "action game." Now, take something like OpenOffice.org or Firefox. There aren't even remotely close to the volume of pixel updates with either of these applications, so they'll work even on a 10BaseT half-duplex network (switched, of course!!). I know this from using old Power Mac 5200's as thin clients. Before you ask, TuxType is indeed unplayable under such conditions; you do need those 100Mb NICs. The point to all of this? To say that you are correct. There is only so much data that is needed for any given application's display needs, and my tests show that about 73Mb is the max. That fire hose analogy was great, so, trying not to be totally outdone, here's another. Going to Gig-E on the clients would be like using a semi-tractor-trailer to go shopping for your family's grocery needs for the next month. It'll certainly work, of course, but grocery shopping's not going to make me get rid of my pickup truck and go get a Peterbilt. :-) --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From robark at telus.net Thu Jan 6 01:20:30 2005 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 17:20:30 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] limiting memory per process for IceWm Message-ID: <41DC925E.7030100@telus.net> The ulimit.sh script in the wiki works for gnome but not for IceWM. http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/limiting%20processes Does anyone know how to make it work under IceWM? I'm using 3.1.2 (RH9) -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V219 From microman at cmosnetworks.com Thu Jan 6 02:19:25 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 21:19:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Off-topic: SuSE Linux 9.2, LTSP, and MS Exchange Server Message-ID: <41DCA02D.2020500@cmosnetworks.com> Folks, I have successfully gotten SuSE Linux 9.2 Professional working as a LTSP server. That by itself would be of little importance to this group. However, it's the LTSP-ifying part that might make it relevant. SuSE Linux Professional distributions are, like those from Red Hat, known for being very good server distros. However, SuSE Linux 9.2 Professional also makes a *terrific* desktop for typical Windows users. The GUI administration tools that come with it are, I find, really good. But for our purposes, there's a problem. SuSE 9.2 Pro, though it comes with the slick new Evolution 2.0, does not come with the Evolution Connector that lets you talk to MS Exchange 2000/2003 groupware servers. Look high and low, and you will not find the RPM for SuSE 9.2 Pro. Call up Novell's SuSE tech support, and they'll tell you that SuSE 9.2 Pro indeed does not include the ExchSrvr connector and that you need to go to Novell Linux Desktop. This ordinarily would make SuSE 9.2 Pro unsuitable for "Microsoft shops" that use Exchange Server. That's unfortunate, because SuSE 9.2 Pro is quite low-cost and will soon (this month, Novell says) be a free download, like SuSE 9.1 Pro is. Schools on a budget seem to be outta luck. This has been worked around, by me, as of today. I installed 9.2 on my laptop (previously ran Slackware 9.0) for the "easy wireless configuration" ability, since our schools are now wireless-enabled. The wireless does work well, but I couldn't connect to my Exchange Server. Then, I remembered something called Red Carpet, which is no longer included by default in SuSE 9.2 Pro, but you can still install it. I found the Novell/Ximian FTP site with Red Carpet, downloaded it, and used it to download and install the ExchSrvr connector for Evolution 2.0. Worked great, and now I'm Exchange-Server-enabled...wirelessly. :-) Then I got the idea, "waitasec. Some schools are contemplating giving email accounts to their students. Of these, I'm sure that some of them have pre-existing Exchange Servers. If we could get this SuSE 9.2 Pro LTSP-ifyed, then these schools could give their students email without having to worry about a bunch of virus/spyware-susceptible Windows boxes." So, I popped LTSP on there (it's an eeeeeaaasy install now), and it worked. I had terminals running Evolution + ExchSrvr Connector with multiple email logins (I switched to the 100Mbps NIC for that, of course). This would also be a low-cost way to set up the staff on the LTSP architecture. Office staff don't need TuxType, TuxPaint (sorry, Bill--no offense meant), KVerbos, and so on. They do need email, office productivity, and perhaps a Web browser (our district uses some Web-enabled apps). These are easily handled by Evolution, OO.o, and Firefox. Will you still need CALs for Exchange Server? Yup. Will you save money by not having to buy a bunch of new powerhouse thick clients? Yup. Will it reduce your time to maintain a bunch of infected Windows boxes? Most definitely. If anyone is interested in the details, just let me know, and I'll be glad to share. --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From les at futuresource.com Thu Jan 6 03:31:02 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 21:31:02 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Off-topic: SuSE Linux 9.2, LTSP, and MS Exchange Server In-Reply-To: <41DCA02D.2020500@cmosnetworks.com> References: <41DCA02D.2020500@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <1104982262.1409.7.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-01-05 at 20:19, "Terrell Prud??, Jr." wrote: > Professional also makes a *terrific* desktop for typical Windows users. > The GUI administration tools that come with it are, I find, really > good. But for our purposes, there's a problem. SuSE 9.2 Pro, though it > comes with the slick new Evolution 2.0, does not come with the Evolution > Connector that lets you talk to MS Exchange 2000/2003 groupware > servers. Is there something specific you like better than FC3/k12ltsp4.2 which includes a connector-enabled Evolution 2.0 out of the box? > This would also be a low-cost way to set up the staff on the LTSP > architecture. You should point out that the connector requires Exchange 2000 or later. It won't work if you are still running 5.x, although you may be able to get email if the pop/imap interface is enabled on the server. --- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From brr at brr.no Thu Jan 6 11:29:28 2005 From: brr at brr.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= Roger Rasmussen) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 12:29:28 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound AGAIN! RealPlayer 10 Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.2.20050106122542.03d18450@pop.domeneshop.no> Hello! In K12LTSP 4.2.0 sound works ok at the thin clients if I choose ESD as sound system in lts.conf, set sound system in X to ESD and also in e g the options to XMMS. But: I have not managed to get RealPlayer 10 to make any sound. I get the error: "Error: Cannot open the audio device. Another application may be using it." Will it at all be possible to get RealPlayer 10 to work at the thin clients? Bjorn Roger Rasmussen *** Bj?rn Roger Rasmussen ( http://www.brr.no/ ) From tlegge at rogers.com Thu Jan 6 13:25:35 2005 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 08:25:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Sound AGAIN! RealPlayer 10 In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.2.20050106122542.03d18450@pop.domeneshop.no> Message-ID: <20050106132535.75233.qmail@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > Will it at all be possible to get RealPlayer 10 to > work at the thin clients? > Yes, but it requires recompiling from source I believe. By default the esd support is not in the binary version. See the release notes for the player. Tim From linuxsys at davisny.edu Thu Jan 6 13:55:11 2005 From: linuxsys at davisny.edu (Calvin Park) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 08:55:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] {Spam?} Opportunity In-Reply-To: <200501051543.27799.tkaldahl@maplewoodacademy.org> References: <200501051543.27799.tkaldahl@maplewoodacademy.org> Message-ID: <1105019711.24621.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> My biggest bit of advice to you regarding any demo (and this may seem obvious) is to do a complete run through or two prior to the real thing. Make sure everything works in as close to the actual environment as you can get it. I once sat in a demo where a nice guy put on a demo concerning CUPS...when he hit the print button and was like "So, you see it's a fairly easy process" (thats a paraphrase) the screen displayed an error at him. He turned bright red and it took him 5-10 minutes to fix it while we sat there (and some people left). So, the best advice I could give is to be sure that everything works, that you've done it a hundred times over. Obviously, in any demo, things could go wrong. But if you've run through it in a fairly close approxomation to what you're actually going to be doing, it helps. -Calvin On Wed, 2005-01-05 at 15:43 -0800, Tim Kaldahl wrote: > I am helping put a tech coordinator's meeting together for all of the I.T. in > the Seventh-Day Adventist School system in at the end of this month. (Is PAA > sending you Huck?) My main contribution is going to be to set up a K12LTSP > Demo. I happened to mention this to my CDW Rep who is also going to be there, > and he is excited about the possibility of putting together a package that > schools could just buy and have a turnkey network, as well as a list of specs > that would go on our extranet for the more adventurous who would build from > scratch. I want to make sure I do this right, so I asked if he could possibly > bring a thin client to demo the K12 system. What could you recommend as a > thin client? CDW of course is interested in selling them, so the rep asked if > the HP T5300 would work. Since it comes pre-loaded with WinCE I'm doubtful, > but you would know better than I. > > For my demo I am going to be using my Toshiba Laptop (currently running Vector > Linux) with 512megs to boot two older laptops (that also work well with > Vector Linux). I am going to be very brave and see if one of the people in > the audience would be willing to try pxe booting their laptop just to show hw > great it is. I am open to (and seeking) any advice from the collective wisdom > of this group on do's or don'ts for this demo. > > TIA > > Tim Kaldahl > Maplewood Academy > I.T. Coordinator > tkaldahl at maplewoodacademy.org > www.maplewoodacademy.org > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Thu Jan 6 14:15:37 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 09:15:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound AGAIN! RealPlayer 10 In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.2.20050106122542.03d18450@pop.domeneshop.no> References: <6.2.0.14.2.20050106122542.03d18450@pop.domeneshop.no> Message-ID: why is everyone so set on esd? I have K12LTSP 4.1 (based on FC2) I'm using nasd and sound works for everything....flash, mozilla, realplayer 10, etc. All I had to do was enable it in lts.conf "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, January 06, 2005 at 6:29 AM +0000 wrote: >Hello! > >In K12LTSP 4.2.0 sound works ok at the thin clients if I choose ESD as >sound system in lts.conf, set sound system in X to ESD and also in e g >the >options to XMMS. > >But: I have not managed to get RealPlayer 10 to make any sound. I get the >error: "Error: Cannot open the audio device. Another application may be >using it." > >Will it at all be possible to get RealPlayer 10 to work at the thin >clients? > >Bjorn Roger Rasmussen David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Thu Jan 6 14:15:37 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 09:15:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound AGAIN! RealPlayer 10 In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.2.20050106122542.03d18450@pop.domeneshop.no> References: <6.2.0.14.2.20050106122542.03d18450@pop.domeneshop.no> Message-ID: why is everyone so set on esd? I have K12LTSP 4.1 (based on FC2) I'm using nasd and sound works for everything....flash, mozilla, realplayer 10, etc. All I had to do was enable it in lts.conf "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, January 06, 2005 at 6:29 AM +0000 wrote: >Hello! > >In K12LTSP 4.2.0 sound works ok at the thin clients if I choose ESD as >sound system in lts.conf, set sound system in X to ESD and also in e g >the >options to XMMS. > >But: I have not managed to get RealPlayer 10 to make any sound. I get the >error: "Error: Cannot open the audio device. Another application may be >using it." > >Will it at all be possible to get RealPlayer 10 to work at the thin >clients? > >Bjorn Roger Rasmussen David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From penguintiz at yahoo.com Thu Jan 6 14:13:17 2005 From: penguintiz at yahoo.com (David Tisdell) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 06:13:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Floppy Woes In-Reply-To: <20050105212651.0FC0A73820@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20050106141317.30869.qmail@web41904.mail.yahoo.com> >>> Floppy drive(s): fd0 is 1.44M >>>The last line is the relevant. So we know the kernel is recognizing the floppy. What happens if you put a floopy in the drive and do a mount /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy ? >>>>>>>>>>> I get this: mount: /dev/fd0 is not a valid block device Thanks Dave __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com From ramonklown at pop.com.br Thu Jan 6 14:12:27 2005 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 12:12:27 -0200 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] pxe+a7v400mx In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.0.14.2.20050106122542.03d18450@pop.domeneshop.no> Message-ID: <60265.201.8.7.131.1105020747.squirrel@popmail5.pop.com.br> Hi I was hoping someone could give me a tip on how to boot via pxe the a7v400mx. I have already played around in the BIOS no success. My NIC is : VIA VT6103 10/100 Mbps Ethernet PHY I was looking into www.etherboot.org and www.rom-o-matic.net got lost, if anybody knows something please tell me. From ramonklown at pop.com.br Thu Jan 6 14:12:40 2005 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 12:12:40 -0200 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] pxe+a7v400mx In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.0.14.2.20050106122542.03d18450@pop.domeneshop.no> Message-ID: <60273.201.8.7.131.1105020760.squirrel@popmail5.pop.com.br> Hi I was hoping someone could give me a tip on how to boot via pxe the a7v400mx. I have already played around in the BIOS no success. My NIC is : VIA VT6103 10/100 Mbps Ethernet PHY I was looking into www.etherboot.org and www.rom-o-matic.net got lost, if anybody knows something please tell me. From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Thu Jan 6 14:36:49 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 09:36:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound in 4.2 working In-Reply-To: <20050105215133.M21607@winonacotter.org> References: <001601c4f330$2c082e90$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> < > < > <200501051937.35062.trondrm@online.no> < > <41DC4440.8080006@earthlink.net> < > <20050105215133.M21607@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, January 05, 2005 at 4:53 PM +0000 wrote: >My guess is that what was meant by the statement is that they were unable >to >give real time volume control to the individual users. I think most know >that you can set a specific volume per client but that volume is unable >to be >controlled by a user. For user control headphones with a built in volume >or >a local set of speakers with a volume are the only options. > >Unless I am missing something. No you're didn't miss anything...what I was saying is I simply set a loud volume in lts.conf and use volume control headphones around school. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From aaa at pacifier.com Thu Jan 6 15:09:16 2005 From: aaa at pacifier.com (Duane Wilson) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 07:09:16 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] media check fails on 4.2 Message-ID: <41DD549C.4020106@pacifier.com> Just downloaded 4.2 md5sum checks out fine on all 4 disks. Burn iso's. Do media check and all 4 disks fail! Doubt if I have 4 bad disks in a row. CD reader loaded SuSE 9.2 perfectly on prior setup. CD reader begins to load K12ltsp 4.2 just fine until I abort the process. What am I missing here? Thanks Duane Wilson From petre at maltzen.net Thu Jan 6 15:29:32 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 09:29:32 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] {Spam?} Opportunity In-Reply-To: <1105019711.24621.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200501051543.27799.tkaldahl@maplewoodacademy.org> <1105019711.24621.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <41DD595C.8030908@maltzen.net> As to being brave and inviting someone from the audience to PXE boot their laptop, I'd advise against it unless you've done it successfully beforehand, because if it doesn't work, it will be embarrassing, as Calvin suggests. Related anecdote: Years ago I worked at a company that made monitoring equipment and software used for quality control. One of our sales reps was making a pitch to the makers of Reese's Peanut Butter Cups. At the meeting with the customer there were several people from the candy company including people in charge of producing and controlling quality for the candy. When you're making millions of something, even the slightest deviations can add up to substantial amounts of money. The sales rep showed them a case of the PB cups he'd gone out and purchased the night before, opened it up and took one of the PB cups and put it on a scale. It weighed exactly what it was supposed to. Anyway, the rep pulled out another PB cup, weighed it, and it too was right on target. So, the production people in the room were looking pretty smug. Then the rep pulled out another cup: ooh, it was a couple of milligrams over what it should have been. He pulls out another: it was several milligrams overweight, meaning the manufacturer is giving more candy than they thought. This went on for a few more cups, some overweight, some underweight. Then the rep pulled back the curtain: the night before he had gone through the whole box of candy and weighed all the PB cups and then put them back in the bo, glued it shut, such that he could test them "out of the box" exactly in the order that he wanted in order to get the maximum effect. He got the sale. The point is, like a trial lawyer, don't ask a question you don't already know the answer to. In a demo, don't try equipment unless you already know it works. Petre Calvin Park wrote: > My biggest bit of advice to you regarding any demo (and this may seem > obvious) is to do a complete run through or two prior to the real thing. > Make sure everything works in as close to the actual environment as you > can get it. I once sat in a demo where a nice guy put on a demo > concerning CUPS...when he hit the print button and was like "So, you see > it's a fairly easy process" (thats a paraphrase) the screen displayed an > error at him. He turned bright red and it took him 5-10 minutes to fix > it while we sat there (and some people left). > > So, the best advice I could give is to be sure that everything works, > that you've done it a hundred times over. Obviously, in any demo, things > could go wrong. But if you've run through it in a fairly close > approxomation to what you're actually going to be doing, it helps. > > -Calvin > > On Wed, 2005-01-05 at 15:43 -0800, Tim Kaldahl wrote: > >>I am helping put a tech coordinator's meeting together for all of the I.T. in >>the Seventh-Day Adventist School system in at the end of this month. (Is PAA >>sending you Huck?) My main contribution is going to be to set up a K12LTSP >>Demo. I happened to mention this to my CDW Rep who is also going to be there, >>and he is excited about the possibility of putting together a package that >>schools could just buy and have a turnkey network, as well as a list of specs >>that would go on our extranet for the more adventurous who would build from >>scratch. I want to make sure I do this right, so I asked if he could possibly >>bring a thin client to demo the K12 system. What could you recommend as a >>thin client? CDW of course is interested in selling them, so the rep asked if >>the HP T5300 would work. Since it comes pre-loaded with WinCE I'm doubtful, >>but you would know better than I. >> >>For my demo I am going to be using my Toshiba Laptop (currently running Vector >>Linux) with 512megs to boot two older laptops (that also work well with >>Vector Linux). I am going to be very brave and see if one of the people in >>the audience would be willing to try pxe booting their laptop just to show hw >>great it is. I am open to (and seeking) any advice from the collective wisdom >>of this group on do's or don'ts for this demo. >> >>TIA >> >>Tim Kaldahl >>Maplewood Academy >>I.T. Coordinator >>tkaldahl at maplewoodacademy.org >>www.maplewoodacademy.org >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From tlegge at rogers.com Thu Jan 6 15:38:44 2005 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:38:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] pxe+a7v400mx In-Reply-To: <60273.201.8.7.131.1105020760.squirrel@popmail5.pop.com.br> Message-ID: <20050106153844.54190.qmail@web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> That should be supported by the via-rhine from romomatic. --- Ramon wrote: > Hi I was hoping someone could give me a tip on how > to boot via pxe the a7v400mx. > > I have already played around in the BIOS no success. > > My NIC is : VIA VT6103 10/100 Mbps Ethernet PHY > > I was looking into www.etherboot.org and > www.rom-o-matic.net got lost, if anybody > knows something please tell me. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Thu Jan 6 15:53:53 2005 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 10:53:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Off-topic: SuSE Linux 9.2, LTSP, and MS Exchange Server In-Reply-To: <20050106141639.6CACB73956@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050106141639.6CACB73956@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1105026833.4033.5.camel@phoenix.media.local> Terrell, I'm just curious... how does your MS Exchange server authenticate (Active Directory/openLDAP)? I'm using Ximian Connector w/ K12LTSP 4.1 with good results. Now I just want to get rid of Active Directory! I've got to prepare for a remote location going online by this fall... which means I'll have to auth my 2nd Linux TS (at that location) over a VPN w/ my AD domain controllers here, or get a mini(-me) backup domain controller for that location... and thats another server and cals I don't want to spend. (Not to mention my AD servers are sick hardrive space wise, and I have to rebuild them in the near future anyway... yucky). I would greatly appreciate any tips if you use Exchange w/ openLdap instead of AD. Biggest thing we rely on here at the school is the Global Address Book feature used in Outlook/Evolution... I would have to pull it off still somehow or I would get some major squawking. Henry Folks, I have successfully gotten SuSE Linux 9.2 Professional working as a LTSP server. That by itself would be of little importance to this group. However, it's the LTSP-ifying part that might make it relevant. SuSE Linux Professional distributions are, like those from Red Hat, known for being very good server distros. However, SuSE Linux 9.2 Professional also makes a *terrific* desktop for typical Windows users. The GUI administration tools that come with it are, I find, really good. But for our purposes, there's a problem. SuSE 9.2 Pro, though it comes with the slick new Evolution 2.0, does not come with the Evolution Connector that lets you talk to MS Exchange 2000/2003 groupware servers. Look high and low, and you will not find the RPM for SuSE 9.2 Pro. Call up Novell's SuSE tech support, and they'll tell you that SuSE 9.2 Pro indeed does not include the ExchSrvr connector and that you need to go to Novell Linux Desktop. This ordinarily would make SuSE 9.2 Pro unsuitable for "Microsoft shops" that use Exchange Server. That's unfortunate, because SuSE 9.2 Pro is quite low-cost and will soon (this month, Novell says) be a free download, like SuSE 9.1 Pro is. Schools on a budget seem to be outta luck. This has been worked around, by me, as of today. I installed 9.2 on my laptop (previously ran Slackware 9.0) for the "easy wireless configuration" ability, since our schools are now wireless-enabled. The wireless does work well, but I couldn't connect to my Exchange Server. Then, I remembered something called Red Carpet, which is no longer included by default in SuSE 9.2 Pro, but you can still install it. I found the Novell/Ximian FTP site with Red Carpet, downloaded it, and used it to download and install the ExchSrvr connector for Evolution 2.0. Worked great, and now I'm Exchange-Server-enabled...wirelessly. :-) Then I got the idea, "waitasec. Some schools are contemplating giving email accounts to their students. Of these, I'm sure that some of them have pre-existing Exchange Servers. If we could get this SuSE 9.2 Pro LTSP-ifyed, then these schools could give their students email without having to worry about a bunch of virus/spyware-susceptible Windows boxes." So, I popped LTSP on there (it's an eeeeeaaasy install now), and it worked. I had terminals running Evolution + ExchSrvr Connector with multiple email logins (I switched to the 100Mbps NIC for that, of course). This would also be a low-cost way to set up the staff on the LTSP architecture. Office staff don't need TuxType, TuxPaint (sorry, Bill--no offense meant), KVerbos, and so on. They do need email, office productivity, and perhaps a Web browser (our district uses some Web-enabled apps). These are easily handled by Evolution, OO.o, and Firefox. Will you still need CALs for Exchange Server? Yup. Will you save money by not having to buy a bunch of new powerhouse thick clients? Yup. Will it reduce your time to maintain a bunch of infected Windows boxes? Most definitely. If anyone is interested in the details, just let me know, and I'll be glad to share. From ism at ywammt.org Thu Jan 6 15:43:19 2005 From: ism at ywammt.org (Joshua Sanders - ISM Manager) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 08:43:19 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] USB Flash Drives In-Reply-To: <1104957334.31139.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200501061622.j06GMCgq013260@mx2.redhat.com> I have not had any luck with USB access locally, in fact I responded because I am working on getting CD access locally and not having very good luck with that one... you said you had it in your email, and was wondering if you could point me in the right direction. Joshua -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Calvin Park Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 1:36 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: [K12OSN] USB Flash Drives Hi all, We're getting ready for our spring semester to start here and I'd like to have the ability to plug in a USB flash drive to a terminal and access it. I've just recently got CDROM access working. Anyway...I've looked at the wiki but I don't want to use mtools and I tried Ron Baughman's method but it doesn't seem to work for me. So, does anyone have any idea how to get local USB support working (perhaps expand on Ron's excellent wiki article?) I also have a second idea that might work. I could run a USB extension from the server itself and into a USB hub in our lab room. However, when I do this users cannot access the storage device that is plugged into the server. I get a permissions error. So, alternatively, is there any way for a normal user logged in at the terminal to have access to a USB drive plugged into the server? This is new territory for me so if anyone could even just point me in a direction to go that'd be helpful. Thanks in advance. -- Calvin Park Assistant for Linux Systems Computer Services Department Davis College: A Practical college of Bible and Ministry web: www.davisny.edu email: linuxsys at davisny.edu phone: 607.729.1581 ext 404 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dahopkins at comcast.net Thu Jan 6 16:30:15 2005 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 16:30:15 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound AGAIN! RealPlayer 10 Message-ID: <010620051630.27767.41DD67970006AFB500006C7722058844849C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Sound has never worked well for me in any configuration. That said, > why is everyone so set on esd? I have K12LTSP 4.1 (based on FC2) I'm > using nasd and sound works for everything....flash, mozilla, realplayer > 10, etc. All I had to do was enable it in lts.conf For me, nasd has serious lags with video (2-4 seconds is typical). esd doesn't lag, but does get garbled and doesn't work at all with Realplayer 10. Realplayer 8 does work with esd. Sound is a continuing 'thorn in my side'. I have MPlayer and this regularly crashes Mozilla. There isn't much happiness at NCS wrt sound/video right now. > >In K12LTSP 4.2.0 sound works ok at the thin clients if I choose ESD as > >sound system in lts.conf, set sound system in X to ESD and also in e g > >the > >options to XMMS. > > > >But: I have not managed to get RealPlayer 10 to make any sound. I get the > >error: "Error: Cannot open the audio device. Another application may be > >using it." > > > >Will it at all be possible to get RealPlayer 10 to work at the thin > >clients? As above, it appears that RealPlayer 10 will not work with esd. Try RP 8 (or maybe 9). Sincerely, Dave Hopkins -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From linuxsys at davisny.edu Thu Jan 6 16:29:14 2005 From: linuxsys at davisny.edu (Calvin Park) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 11:29:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] USB Flash Drives In-Reply-To: <200501061622.j06GMCgq013260@mx2.redhat.com> References: <200501061622.j06GMCgq013260@mx2.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1105028954.24621.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> More than happy to help: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LocalDrives You'll also need to scripts that aren't even mentioned on the wiki. I can give you the scripts. Do you have AIM? If not I'll just email the scripts to you if that is acceptable. -Calvin On Thu, 2005-01-06 at 08:43 -0700, Joshua Sanders - ISM Manager wrote: > I have not had any luck with USB access locally, in fact I responded because > I am working on getting CD access locally and not having very good luck with > that one... you said you had it in your email, and was wondering if you > could point me in the right direction. > > Joshua > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of Calvin Park > Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 1:36 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: [K12OSN] USB Flash Drives > > Hi all, > > We're getting ready for our spring semester to start here and I'd like > to have the ability to plug in a USB flash drive to a terminal and > access it. I've just recently got CDROM access working. Anyway...I've > looked at the wiki but I don't want to use mtools and I tried Ron > Baughman's method but it doesn't seem to work for me. > > So, does anyone have any idea how to get local USB support working > (perhaps expand on Ron's excellent wiki article?) I also have a second > idea that might work. I could run a USB extension from the server itself > and into a USB hub in our lab room. However, when I do this users cannot > access the storage device that is plugged into the server. I get a > permissions error. So, alternatively, is there any way for a normal user > logged in at the terminal to have access to a USB drive plugged into the > server? This is new territory for me so if anyone could even just point > me in a direction to go that'd be helpful. > > Thanks in advance. > From dahopkins at comcast.net Thu Jan 6 16:40:56 2005 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 16:40:56 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] USB Flash Drives Message-ID: <010620051640.19585.41DD6A18000A1AE800004C8122058844849C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> I would love to have these scripts, or perhaps just post them to the ltsp (or k12ltsp) wikis? Sincerely, Dave Hopkins -------------- Original message -------------- > More than happy to help: > > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LocalDrives > > You'll also need to scripts that aren't even mentioned on the wiki. I > can give you the scripts. Do you have AIM? If not I'll just email the > scripts to you if that is acceptable. > > -Calvin > > On Thu, 2005-01-06 at 08:43 -0700, Joshua Sanders - ISM Manager wrote: > > I have not had any luck with USB access locally, in fact I responded because > > I am working on getting CD access locally and not having very good luck with > > that one... you said you had it in your email, and was wondering if you > > could point me in the right direction. > > > > Joshua > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > > Of Calvin Park > > Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 1:36 PM > > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > > Subject: [K12OSN] USB Flash Drives > > > > Hi all, > > > > We're getting ready for our spring semester to start here and I'd like > > to have the ability to plug in a USB flash drive to a terminal and > > access it. I've just recently got CDROM access working. Anyway...I've > > looked at the wiki but I don't want to use mtools and I tried Ron > > Baughman's method but it doesn't seem to work for me. > > > > So, does anyone have any idea how to get local USB support working > > (perhaps expand on Ron's excellent wiki article?) I also have a second > > idea that might work. I could run a USB extension from the server itself > > and into a USB hub in our lab room. However, when I do this users cannot > > access the storage device that is plugged into the server. I get a > > permissions error. So, alternatively, is there any way for a normal user > > logged in at the terminal to have access to a USB drive plugged into the > > server? This is new territory for me so if anyone could even just point > > me in a direction to go that'd be helpful. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Jan 6 17:33:12 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 09:33:12 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] {Spam?} Opportunity In-Reply-To: <200501051543.27799.tkaldahl@maplewoodacademy.org> References: <200501051543.27799.tkaldahl@maplewoodacademy.org> Message-ID: <41DD7658.90508@paasda.org> Tim, Just found out yesterday they are sending me even though I am independently contracted. I'll bring a Neoware(was $200 a yr ago) and YEStation Mini($270 at current MSRP) with me if you like...TC's I bought to demo. --Huck Tim Kaldahl wrote: >I am helping put a tech coordinator's meeting together for all of the I.T. in >the Seventh-Day Adventist School system in at the end of this month. (Is PAA >sending you Huck?) My main contribution is going to be to set up a K12LTSP >Demo. I happened to mention this to my CDW Rep who is also going to be there, >and he is excited about the possibility of putting together a package that >schools could just buy and have a turnkey network, as well as a list of specs >that would go on our extranet for the more adventurous who would build from >scratch. I want to make sure I do this right, so I asked if he could possibly >bring a thin client to demo the K12 system. What could you recommend as a >thin client? CDW of course is interested in selling them, so the rep asked if >the HP T5300 would work. Since it comes pre-loaded with WinCE I'm doubtful, >but you would know better than I. > >For my demo I am going to be using my Toshiba Laptop (currently running Vector >Linux) with 512megs to boot two older laptops (that also work well with >Vector Linux). I am going to be very brave and see if one of the people in >the audience would be willing to try pxe booting their laptop just to show hw >great it is. I am open to (and seeking) any advice from the collective wisdom >of this group on do's or don'ts for this demo. > >TIA > >Tim Kaldahl >Maplewood Academy >I.T. Coordinator >tkaldahl at maplewoodacademy.org >www.maplewoodacademy.org > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Thu Jan 6 17:54:12 2005 From: ltsp at symbio-technologies.com (Gideon Romm) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 12:54:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound AGAIN! RealPlayer 10 In-Reply-To: <010620051630.27767.41DD67970006AFB500006C7722058844849C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> References: <010620051630.27767.41DD67970006AFB500006C7722058844849C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1105034052.30954.34.camel@lts01.nr.symbio.com> If you are having mozilla crashes with mplayer on fedora check out: http://www.thesymbiont.com/index.php?module=documents&JAS_DocumentManager_op=viewDocument&JAS_Document_id=26 and http://delrusso.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=18&Itemid=41 -Gideon On Thu, 2005-01-06 at 11:30, dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > Sound has never worked well for me in any configuration. That said, > > > why is everyone so set on esd? I have K12LTSP 4.1 (based on FC2) I'm > > using nasd and sound works for everything....flash, mozilla, > realplayer > > 10, etc. All I had to do was enable it in lts.conf > > For me, nasd has serious lags with video (2-4 seconds is typical). > esd doesn't lag, but does get garbled and doesn't work at all with > Realplayer 10. Realplayer 8 does work with esd. Sound is a > continuing 'thorn in my side'. I have MPlayer and this regularly > crashes Mozilla. There isn't much happiness at NCS wrt sound/video > right now. > > > >In K12LTSP 4.2.0 sound works ok at the thin clients if I choose ESD > as > > >sound system in lts.conf, set sound system in X to ESD and also in > e g > > >the > > >options to XMMS. > > > > > >But: I have not managed to get RealPlayer 10 to make any sound. I > get the > > >error: "Error: Cannot open the audio device. Another application > may be > > >using it." > > > > > >Will it at all be possible to get RealPlayer 10 to work at the thin > > >clients? > > As above, it appears that RealPlayer 10 will not work with esd. Try > RP 8 (or maybe 9). > > Sincerely, > Dave Hopkins > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- -------------------------------------------------------- Gideon Romm | Product R&D gideon at symbio-technologies.com Symbio Technologies o:(914) 576-1205 134 North Ave, Suites E&F f:(914) 576-0944 New Rochelle, NY 10801 c:(914) 774-4691 www.symbio-technologies.com www.thesymbiont.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Jan 6 18:14:20 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 10:14:20 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] printing quotas...I need a solution In-Reply-To: <41DC9195.406@telus.net> References: <41DC9195.406@telus.net> Message-ID: <41DD7FFC.1010907@paasda.org> I use PyKota..and it rocks...was simple to install...works with LDAP as well as postgresql db's.... great support...and it's cheap to pay for =) Jerome is very open to ideas and replies with solutions that usually include 'as mentioned in the documentation' =) the only drawback I noticed is 2 days ago I added a color laser printer to a lab... price per page is $00.50... all students allowed to print on other printers 100 pages per quarter(black'n'white)... so I was using 'page quota'(page count) instead of 'account balance'(dollar amount) In order to charge the 50cents per page on the color printer I have to use 'account balance' But...the 'account balance' is per user...not per printer...thus... I give $1.00 when they start the quarter... they can print the 100 sheets on a black/white or...they can print twice on the color =) if they print twice on the color they can no longer print on the black and white =( It would be better(not easier to code I'm sure) if each individual had account balances on each printer. And over Xmas vacation, a contributor coded up a web-based account management tool available here: http://opensource.psu.ac.th/~kanakorn/mambo/ I will say that if you are using Debian it's a much easier install and you get some more nifty bells and whistles like the 'onscreen quota' thing... see last screenshot on this page: http://www.librelogiciel.com/software/PyKota/ScreenShots/action_ScreenShots It's been a blessing in any effect. --Huck Robert Arkiletian wrote: > David Trask wrote: > >> I know this has been tossed around before so pardon me for bringing >> it up >> again, but I need help. My printing situation is out of control...I >> need >> a solution not only for K12LTSP, but for the entire >> network...Windows, OS >> >> > I have not tried PyKota but it's the only software that I know of for > this purpose > > http://www.librelogiciel.com/software > > Hope it helps. > From ramonklown at pop.com.br Thu Jan 6 18:49:14 2005 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 16:49:14 -0200 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] pxe+a7v400mx In-Reply-To: <20050106153844.54190.qmail@web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <60273.201.8.7.131.1105020760.squirrel@popmail5.pop.com.br> <20050106153844.54190.qmail@web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <61930.201.8.7.131.1105037354.squirrel@popmail6.pop.com.br> Thanks for the help but found out that was "OnBoard LAN Boot ROM" option that was disabled under bios submenu "chipset". And it does support PXE 2.0 :) great. Long live the k12ltsp and its supporters. OBS: I liked the phpPykotaAdmin thanks for whoever gave the tip Thanks again, Ramon > That should be supported by the via-rhine from > romomatic. > > > --- Ramon wrote: >> Hi I was hoping someone could give me a tip on how >> to boot via pxe the a7v400mx. >> >> I have already played around in the BIOS no success. >> >> My NIC is : VIA VT6103 10/100 Mbps Ethernet PHY >> >> I was looking into www.etherboot.org and >> www.rom-o-matic.net got lost, if anybody >> knows something please tell me. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From k12ltsp at hermon.net Thu Jan 6 20:20:12 2005 From: k12ltsp at hermon.net (k12ltsp) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 15:20:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound Not Working on my Linux Account Message-ID: Hi Everyone! In Hermon, we've just upgraded our Linux servers district-wide to FC2 (4.1.1). We have managed to get sound to work on one of our terminals! However, I can't seem to duplicate the process on my Linux account. I've followed the steps from the web and: 1. The lts.conf file is correctly configured to ESD and works, because we have one Linux account that plays audio in XMMS correctly. (It's set to ESound, and in Multimedia Systems Selector, it's set to ESD. Works great!! But on my Linux account, and any additional acount tested on the same terminal can't play audio! When I go to Multimedia Systems Selector and choose ESD, I get the error "Failed to construct test pipeline for 'ESD - Enlightenment Sound Daemon'". What gives? There must be some setting in my account that I am missing. One accoun works (on the same terminal), but mine doesn't. Where do I go to turn audio on? We use GNOME here. Thank You! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Alan Owen Recent Hermon High School Graduate (Class of '02) Hermon Information Services/Hermon School Department "Using Technology to Empower All Students to Succeed in a Changing World." Webmaster of http://www.brittany-snow.com The Official Website for the actress Brittany Snow on NBC's American Dreams ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From ssanders at coin.org Thu Jan 6 22:56:44 2005 From: ssanders at coin.org (Scott D. Sanders) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 16:56:44 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] 4.2 upgrade, no ETH1 In-Reply-To: <010620051630.27767.41DD67970006AFB500006C7722058844849C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Message-ID: i'm not near the machine to quote dmesg, but overall, upgrade from 4.0 to 4.2 went very smoothly. checked clients, all worked fine. i spent a little more time installing some new packages. later, i was dismayed to see the clients not connect. the ETH1 interface was active, i could bring it up and down. i'll try to check on it more tonight with more info. From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Jan 7 00:00:17 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 16:00:17 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] printer quota stuff Message-ID: <41DDD111.4070401@paasda.org> Message from Jerome from PyKota to those on mailling list: Hi there, I'm very pleased to announce you that today (well, this week at least) is the second anniversary of PyKota. Work on this software began at the very start of January 2003, with the initial import onto Savannah's CVS system on February 5th 2003. So it's time for some statistics : - 146 members in this mailing list. - 105 subscribers to PyKota Official packages, 20 of them having earnt their free subscription and/or some goodies by contributing to (or around) the project. - 1723 messages posted to this mailing list. - money raised so far : * 135 CAD * 605 EUR * 612 GBP * 990 USD - at least five websites not under my control already provide informations or additionnal software about or around PyKota, and I know that more are planned. - PyKota is now distributed as part of at least one general purpose GNU/Linux distribution (Gentoo), and of at least two education oriented packages (Eole and Mille-Xterm). During these two years, and especially since the beginning of 2004 and to the best of my knowledge, the PrintBill, PrintQuota, and PQuotas software, which are "concurrent" to PyKota ceased to evolve, at least for now. Interestingly, at least four new Free Print Quota Software for *nix like systems were created during this period, three of them coming from the same country, Brasil : IBQUOTA, 3LJCOTA, SGQI. Overall, I consider PyKota to be a great success, and I want to thank all of you, users, contributors, and sponsors, because without you this software wouldn't be. I wish you all the best for this new year. MANY MANY THANKS ! Jerome Alet _______________________________________________ Goodies available at http://www.cafeshops.com/pykota pykota mailing list pykota at librelogiciel.com http://cgi.librelogiciel.com/mailman/listinfo/pykota DON'T POST IN HTML ! That will pretty much sum up what else is out there and that sort of thing. From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Jan 7 00:05:20 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 19:05:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Off-topic: SuSE Linux 9.2, LTSP, and MS Exchange Server In-Reply-To: <1104982262.1409.7.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <41DCA02D.2020500@cmosnetworks.com> <1104982262.1409.7.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <41DDD240.8090802@cmosnetworks.com> Les Mikesell wrote: >On Wed, 2005-01-05 at 20:19, "Terrell Prud??, Jr." wrote: > > >>Professional also makes a *terrific* desktop for typical Windows users. >>The GUI administration tools that come with it are, I find, really >>good. But for our purposes, there's a problem. SuSE 9.2 Pro, though it >>comes with the slick new Evolution 2.0, does not come with the Evolution >>Connector that lets you talk to MS Exchange 2000/2003 groupware >>servers. >> >> > >Is there something specific you like better than FC3/k12ltsp4.2 >which includes a connector-enabled Evolution 2.0 out of the >box? > > > > >>This would also be a low-cost way to set up the staff on the LTSP >>architecture. >> >> > >You should point out that the connector requires Exchange 2000 or >later. It won't work if you are still running 5.x, although >you may be able to get email if the pop/imap interface is >enabled on the server. > >--- > I haven't yet played with the FC3 edition of K12LTSP, so I didn't know it too includes the Connector. Thanks for that tip. And you're quite correct that the Connector works only with Exchange Server 2000 or newer; only POP/IMAP email works with 5.5. The other issue is comfort of migration to GNU/Linux. I've found that Windows-using adults seem to initially respond to "stock" KDE better than they do Bluecurve, because it looks more "Windows-y." Mac users, in my experience, respond initially to Bluecurve somewhat better. For those who might balk at Fedora's Bluecurve interface (there are, sadly, some), it could help convert them over as well. Additionally, for school districts like mine that want to do wireless everywhere, SuSE 9.2's wireless config tools totally kick. After working on their LTSP-ifyed thin clients, they might well ask, "this is easy, can I have this on my wireless laptop too?" The answer is yes. Of course, if the FC3 wireless config tools are just as easy (haven't yet tried it), then there is no particular advantage there. Mind you, I'm speaking about the adults, not the kids. As we all know, kids tend to be much, much more adaptable and open-minded than the grown-ups. --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From ssanders at coin.org Fri Jan 7 00:34:33 2005 From: ssanders at coin.org (Scott D. Sanders) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:34:33 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] 4.2 upgrade, no ETH1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: update.. got home, looked at it more, ETH1 is fine, but DHCPD wasn't running, so naturally the clients can't get an IP, login, etc. when i try to start it, i get: dhcpd failed. The error was? Starting dhcpd: /usr/sbin/dhcpd: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared object file: Permission denied i get the same message whether i try to start it from the Services GUI or using service dhcpd start. searching for every instance (or link) of libc.so.6 that i can find on the system, they're owned by root. dhcpd is owned by root and is executable. in thinking of the packages that i installed (after it was upgraded and WAS all working) was squid, dansguardian, and gkrellm. could any of these mangled my dhcpd things? thx shs From caldodge at fpcc.net Fri Jan 7 00:44:43 2005 From: caldodge at fpcc.net (Calvin Dodge) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:44:43 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] 4.2 upgrade, no ETH1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050107004443.GA1908@perth.fpcc.net> On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 06:34:33PM -0600, Scott D. Sanders wrote: > update.. got home, looked at it more, ETH1 is fine, but DHCPD wasn't > running, so naturally the clients can't get an IP, login, etc. when i try > to start it, i get: > > dhcpd failed. The error was? Starting dhcpd: /usr/sbin/dhcpd: > error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open > shared object file: Permission denied Is selinux active on your machine? If so, what happens if you: 1) edit /etc/selinux/config 2) change "SELINUX=enforcing" to "SELINUX=permissive" 3) reboot FWIW, this bit me with the squidguard blacklists, so I'm currently running with "permissive" (warn of disallowed access, then allow access anyway). Calvin -- Calvin Dodge Certified Linux Bigot (tm) http://www.caldodge.fpcc.net From SHarbour at nwresd.k12.or.us Fri Jan 7 01:00:22 2005 From: SHarbour at nwresd.k12.or.us (Sean Harbour) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:00:22 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Cluster knoppix Message-ID: <646574B39C491E4D8573C54D35FFE52C058C69@wsc-mail-01.intra.nwresd.k12.or.us> >However, clusterKnoppix, like Knoppix boots >off the cd. So unless you mount a directory off a USB device, network, >hardrive, any data you generate will not be saved (plus, you might run >out of ram). You could probably get other programs to work that aren't >included by having them run off a network or hardrive. >Henry Of course, you could always install cluster knoppix to the hard drive and solve that problem. Boot up Knoppix, open a terminal, type 'su' then press enter, then type 'knoppix-install' and press enter again. Follow the menu and enjoy! Easily the slickest Debian variant installation I've ever done. Sean Harbour sean at harbours.us -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2654 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ascensiontech at gmail.com Fri Jan 7 00:53:38 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Ascension Tech) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 19:53:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] gigabit In-Reply-To: <41DC9724.4060107@cmosnetworks.com> References: <001601c4f330$2c082e90$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> <1104969946.3725.40.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> <41DC9724.4060107@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <9bd3175605010616535b3a4882@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for the replies. We have "dual channel gigabit" on out Tyan s2882 motherboard. Do you know if these can be etherchannel linked? Can't seem to find much info on etherchannel link or dual channel. Are these like channel bonding? I suppose I'll need a switch that has the ability to use an etherchannel link, right? Thanks, Peter On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 20:40:52 -0500, "Terrell Prud?, Jr." wrote: > Timothy Legge wrote: > > >On Wed, 2005-01-05 at 10:28, David Trask wrote: > > > > > >>"Support list for opensource software in schools." on > >>Wednesday, January 05, 2005 at 9:09 AM +0000 wrote: > >> > >> > >>>The clients don't benefit from anything beyond 100Mb. > >>> > >>> > >>Why? If the server has gigabit, the clients have gigabit, and the network > >>is gigabit...why wouldn't the data be served at gigabit speed? There are > >>some gigabit cards that etherboot will work with (not sure about > >>PXE)....I've always wanted to try the whole thing at gigabit speed...I > >>have gigabit servers and backbone, but my clients are 100baseT....I'd love > >>to see how much fast it'd be if it was gigabit through and through. > >> > >> > > > >There are probably a couple of reasons. > > > >Many applications and servers aren't tuned to take advantage of the > >higher bandwidth. > > > >If you have ever downloaded a kernel via tftp using gigabit speed you > >might wonder why it takes so long. Even though many gigabit cards can > >support much larger packets, typically packets are 512 in size. That > >means that there are still kernel_size/512 packets and an equivalent > >number of acks. That means that your bottle neck is no longer the > >network but the speed of the tftp server and etherboot driver. The same > >would probably be true for nfs and X. > > > >There is only so much data. As some one pointed out, 100 Mbs is > >sufficient for most thin clients. The user only reacts so quickly and > >is probably the bottle neck. I have watched dvds on an Xterminal and > >the quality was excellent. Again, there was only so much data being > >sent to my terminal. On a busy network it would be slower but I only > >needed a 100 mbs NIC. Its like hooking fire hose to your outdoor water > >outlet. You probably won't fill a bucket any faster because there is > >only so much water pressure. > > > >As I see it, you remove the network as the bottleneck and you are then > >limited by the slower of the user or the application/server that you are > >using. > > > >I could be way off base on this, its based on my limited (and often > >incorrect) understanding of network cards and protocols. > > > >Tim > > > > > > Tim, you're not off base at all. You're right on. The bandwidth test > that I did with TuxType last year demonstrates this very well. > > X11 needs such-and-such amount of data per pixel update or keystroke to > display screen changes and handle keystrokes. I deliberately went for > an app that updated the heck out of the screen at 1024x768x24bit. Oh, > remember all the mouse movements and the keystrokes that have to get > transmitted as well--can't forget that, either. The max traffic used > was 73Mb/sec. TuxType is pretty much updating every pixel every > millisecond--very much an "action game." > > Now, take something like OpenOffice.org or Firefox. There aren't even > remotely close to the volume of pixel updates with either of these > applications, so they'll work even on a 10BaseT half-duplex network > (switched, of course!!). I know this from using old Power Mac 5200's as > thin clients. Before you ask, TuxType is indeed unplayable under such > conditions; you do need those 100Mb NICs. > > The point to all of this? To say that you are correct. There is only > so much data that is needed for any given application's display needs, > and my tests show that about 73Mb is the max. That fire hose analogy > was great, so, trying not to be totally outdone, here's another. Going > to Gig-E on the clients would be like using a semi-tractor-trailer to go > shopping for your family's grocery needs for the next month. It'll > certainly work, of course, but grocery shopping's not going to make me > get rid of my pickup truck and go get a Peterbilt. :-) > > --TP > _____________________ > Do you GNU!? > Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it > out! > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From SHarbour at nwresd.k12.or.us Fri Jan 7 01:35:22 2005 From: SHarbour at nwresd.k12.or.us (Sean Harbour) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:35:22 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Off-topic: SuSE Linux 9.2, LTSP, and MS Exchange Message-ID: <646574B39C491E4D8573C54D35FFE52C058C6B@wsc-mail-01.intra.nwresd.k12.or.us> > Worked great, and now I'm Exchange-Server-enabled...wirelessly. > :-) Which version of Exchange? I have not been able to get Evolution 2.0 on Mandrake 10.1 Final to work with Exchange 2003. I did some digging and found a few emails on the web mentioning that the Ximian connector does not work with Exchange 2003 with the latest MS service packs applied. (Why am I not surprised?) Anybody have any more info on this? Sean Harbour sean at harbours.us -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2702 bytes Desc: not available URL: From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Jan 7 02:08:42 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 21:08:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Off-topic: SuSE Linux 9.2, LTSP, and MS Exchange In-Reply-To: <646574B39C491E4D8573C54D35FFE52C058C6B@wsc-mail-01.intra.nwresd.k12.or.us> References: <646574B39C491E4D8573C54D35FFE52C058C6B@wsc-mail-01.intra.nwresd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <41DDEF2A.7030905@cmosnetworks.com> Sean Harbour wrote: >>Worked great, and now I'm Exchange-Server-enabled...wirelessly. >>:-) >> >> > >Which version of Exchange? I have not been able to get Evolution 2.0 on Mandrake 10.1 Final to work with Exchange 2003. >I did some digging and found a few emails on the web mentioning that the Ximian connector does not work with Exchange 2003 with the latest MS service packs applied. (Why am I not surprised?) >Anybody have any more info on this? > >Sean Harbour >sean at harbours.us > > Hello Sean, We currently use Exchange Server 2003, with whatever the latest security patches are to the OS and the groupware server. The email admins handle all the mail servers, so I don't know which specific patches are applied to the mail servers or their underlying OS's, but I suspect that all the latest security patches are applied. What is the error message that you're seeing, and when? --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From ssanders at coin.org Fri Jan 7 02:24:39 2005 From: ssanders at coin.org (Scott D. Sanders) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 20:24:39 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] 4.2 upgrade, no ETH1 In-Reply-To: <20050107004443.GA1908@perth.fpcc.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Jan 2005, Calvin Dodge wrote: > On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 06:34:33PM -0600, Scott D. Sanders wrote: > > update.. got home, looked at it more, ETH1 is fine, but DHCPD wasn't > > running, so naturally the clients can't get an IP, login, etc. > Is selinux active on your machine? If so, what happens if you: > > 1) edit /etc/selinux/config > 2) change "SELINUX=enforcing" to "SELINUX=permissive" > 3) reboot > > FWIW, this bit me with the squidguard blacklists, so I'm currently running > with "permissive" (warn of disallowed access, then allow access anyway) Calvin, indeed selinux was active. i changed to permissive, and DHCPD nown runs! the clients receive an IP, but NFS is failing to mount root filesystem: mount: RPC: Unable to receive; errno = Connection refused mount: nfsmount failed: Bad file descriptor NFS: mount program didn't pass remote address! mount: Mounting 192.j168.0.254:/opt/ltsp/i386 on /mnt failed: Invalid Argument NFS is running, i think the workstation IP's should map to a hostname (since it _was_ initially working). thanks for the help. i detest the Winderrs(tm) concept of Fdisk|Format|Reinstall. From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Jan 7 02:51:04 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 21:51:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound Not Working on my Linux Account In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi guys! (from just down I95 in Vassalboro) I have sound in everything and I run nasd. I too am using K12LTSP 4.1.1. I chose not to use ESD as sound won't work in Flash if you do....and that's kind of important around here when using the internet for sites like Starfall.com or Brainpop.com....etc. I also know that sound works fine in Helix and in RealPlayer 10. Remember...sound won't work for "root"....but should work fine for everyone else. Just curious...why are you using Gnome as opposed to IceWm? I found Gnome to slow things down WAY too much as opposed to IceWM, but maybe you've found a better way? Can you post your lts.conf for folks to help troubleshoot? PS....Hi Jeff! "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, January 6, 2005 at 3:20 PM +0000 wrote: >Hi Everyone! > >In Hermon, we've just upgraded our Linux servers district-wide to FC2 >(4.1.1). We have managed to get sound to work on one of our terminals! >However, I can't seem to duplicate the process on my Linux account. I've >followed the steps from the web and: > >1. The lts.conf file is correctly configured to ESD and works, because we >have one Linux account that plays audio in XMMS correctly. (It's set to >ESound, and in Multimedia Systems Selector, it's set to ESD. Works great!! > >But on my Linux account, and any additional acount tested on the same >terminal can't play audio! When I go to Multimedia Systems Selector and >choose ESD, I get the error "Failed to construct test pipeline for 'ESD - >Enlightenment Sound Daemon'". What gives? > >There must be some setting in my account that I am missing. One accoun >works (on the same terminal), but mine doesn't. Where do I go to turn >audio on? We use GNOME here. > >Thank You! > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Alan Owen >Recent Hermon High School Graduate (Class of '02) >Hermon Information Services/Hermon School Department >"Using Technology to Empower All Students to Succeed in a Changing World." David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Jan 7 02:51:04 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 21:51:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound Not Working on my Linux Account In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi guys! (from just down I95 in Vassalboro) I have sound in everything and I run nasd. I too am using K12LTSP 4.1.1. I chose not to use ESD as sound won't work in Flash if you do....and that's kind of important around here when using the internet for sites like Starfall.com or Brainpop.com....etc. I also know that sound works fine in Helix and in RealPlayer 10. Remember...sound won't work for "root"....but should work fine for everyone else. Just curious...why are you using Gnome as opposed to IceWm? I found Gnome to slow things down WAY too much as opposed to IceWM, but maybe you've found a better way? Can you post your lts.conf for folks to help troubleshoot? PS....Hi Jeff! "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, January 6, 2005 at 3:20 PM +0000 wrote: >Hi Everyone! > >In Hermon, we've just upgraded our Linux servers district-wide to FC2 >(4.1.1). We have managed to get sound to work on one of our terminals! >However, I can't seem to duplicate the process on my Linux account. I've >followed the steps from the web and: > >1. The lts.conf file is correctly configured to ESD and works, because we >have one Linux account that plays audio in XMMS correctly. (It's set to >ESound, and in Multimedia Systems Selector, it's set to ESD. Works great!! > >But on my Linux account, and any additional acount tested on the same >terminal can't play audio! When I go to Multimedia Systems Selector and >choose ESD, I get the error "Failed to construct test pipeline for 'ESD - >Enlightenment Sound Daemon'". What gives? > >There must be some setting in my account that I am missing. One accoun >works (on the same terminal), but mine doesn't. Where do I go to turn >audio on? We use GNOME here. > >Thank You! > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Alan Owen >Recent Hermon High School Graduate (Class of '02) >Hermon Information Services/Hermon School Department >"Using Technology to Empower All Students to Succeed in a Changing World." David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dahopkins at comcast.net Fri Jan 7 02:48:46 2005 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 02:48:46 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound Not Working on my Linux Account Message-ID: <010720050248.20582.41DDF88E000840F30000506622007348409C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> I had a similar problem (one account works, others do not) and deleting a file labelled .esddsp_esddsp (or something similar) located in the account's home directory solved the issue. However, you also will need the fix mentioned earlier regarding adding file /tmp/.esd/socket . Just a shot in the dark. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins > Hi Everyone! > > In Hermon, we've just upgraded our Linux servers district-wide to FC2 > (4.1.1). We have managed to get sound to work on one of our terminals! > However, I can't seem to duplicate the process on my Linux account. I've > followed the steps from the web and: > > 1. The lts.conf file is correctly configured to ESD and works, because we > have one Linux account that plays audio in XMMS correctly. (It's set to > ESound, and in Multimedia Systems Selector, it's set to ESD. Works great!! > > But on my Linux account, and any additional acount tested on the same > terminal can't play audio! When I go to Multimedia Systems Selector and > choose ESD, I get the error "Failed to construct test pipeline for 'ESD - > Enlightenment Sound Daemon'". What gives? > > There must be some setting in my account that I am missing. One accoun > works (on the same terminal), but mine doesn't. Where do I go to turn > audio on? We use GNOME here. > > Thank You! > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Alan Owen > Recent Hermon High School Graduate (Class of '02) > Hermon Information Services/Hermon School Department > "Using Technology to Empower All Students to Succeed in a Changing World." > > Webmaster of http://www.brittany-snow.com > The Official Website for the actress Brittany Snow on NBC's American Dreams > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Jan 7 02:32:28 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 21:32:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] 4.2 upgrade, no ETH1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41DDF4BC.40401@cmosnetworks.com> Scott D. Sanders wrote: >On Thu, 6 Jan 2005, Calvin Dodge wrote: > > > >>On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 06:34:33PM -0600, Scott D. Sanders wrote: >> >> >>>update.. got home, looked at it more, ETH1 is fine, but DHCPD wasn't >>>running, so naturally the clients can't get an IP, login, etc. >>> >>> > > > > >>Is selinux active on your machine? If so, what happens if you: >> >>1) edit /etc/selinux/config >>2) change "SELINUX=enforcing" to "SELINUX=permissive" >>3) reboot >> >>FWIW, this bit me with the squidguard blacklists, so I'm currently running >>with "permissive" (warn of disallowed access, then allow access anyway) >> >> > >Calvin, indeed selinux was active. i changed to permissive, and DHCPD nown >runs! the clients receive an IP, but NFS is failing to mount root >filesystem: > >mount: RPC: Unable to receive; errno = Connection refused >mount: nfsmount failed: Bad file descriptor >NFS: mount program didn't pass remote address! >mount: Mounting 192.j168.0.254:/opt/ltsp/i386 on /mnt failed: Invalid >Argument > >NFS is running, i think the workstation IP's should map to a hostname >(since it _was_ initially working). thanks for the help. i detest the >Winderrs(tm) concept of Fdisk|Format|Reinstall. > > I see a typo above: "mount: Mounting 192.j168.0.254:/opt/ltsp/i386 on /mnt failed: Invalid Argument" The typo I see is "192.j168.0.254". There's a "j" before "168". Can you check that out in dhcpd.conf? --TP From ssanders at coin.org Fri Jan 7 04:29:53 2005 From: ssanders at coin.org (Scott D. Sanders) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 22:29:53 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] 4.2 upgrade, no ETH1 In-Reply-To: <41DDF4BC.40401@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: the typo was indeed exactly that. i was transcribing the whole message on a laptop into Pine, that was beside a failed client. the dhcpd.conf does not include the j in the IP. From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Jan 7 12:43:21 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 07:43:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] 4.2 upgrade, no ETH1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41DE83E9.1040307@cmosnetworks.com> Scott D. Sanders wrote: >the typo was indeed exactly that. i was transcribing the whole message on >a laptop into Pine, that was beside a failed client. > >the dhcpd.conf does not include the j in the IP. > > > A few things I would check at this point: 1.) Do you have a thick client available to try nfs-mounting that directory? 2.) Is the portmapper service running? 3.) Are there any iptables rules that are getting in the way of UDP 111 or TCP 111 (portmap, aka sunrpc) on eth0? The only firewall rules you should have are the NAT rules and any protections on eth1 that you want. eth0 should be wide-open. --TP From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Fri Jan 7 13:19:08 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 07:19:08 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] 4.2 upgrade, no ETH1 In-Reply-To: <41DE83E9.1040307@cmosnetworks.com> References: <41DE83E9.1040307@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 One other thing to check. The new kernel didn't switch eth1 and eth0 did it? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkHejEwACgkQfqZR3ThMfXSo2wCfe6vXWYaTMX4uNnQalsalcE5Q QZAAn2gJvZGODFYfhJRDKwSdJFrKL3ka =s/CB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dahopkins at comcast.net Fri Jan 7 14:11:46 2005 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 14:11:46 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Mozilla hangs on Flash-enabled sites! Message-ID: <010720051411.8126.41DE98A2000BAE5500001FBE22007511509C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Over the Holidays, I upgraded my RH9 K12LTSP to LTSP 4.1. Since then I have had numerous issues including users not able to log out (gdm issue, but I have latest gdm rpm), accounts locking, screen freezing, and now Mozilla hanging on flash-enabled sites. Also, some of the thin clients will not even turn off. I have no idea what the common thread is except for the LTSP 4.1 upgrade. At this point I probably have no choice but to revert to LTSP 3 unless someone can clue me in on what would cause these issues. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Jan 7 15:28:09 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 10:28:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mozilla hangs on Flash-enabled sites! In-Reply-To: <010720051411.8126.41DE98A2000BAE5500001FBE22007511509C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> References: <010720051411.8126.41DE98A2000BAE5500001FBE22007511509C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Message-ID: I remember having that problem a couple years ago, but can't remember exactly what the cure was, but I think it was a sound issue. Check the archives from 2003.....search for my name...I'll try to do the same. Are you using nasd in lts.conf? What gui are you using? Gnome or IceWM? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From fhkms at adelphia.net Fri Jan 7 15:28:36 2005 From: fhkms at adelphia.net (Will Hatch) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 10:28:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] 4.2 freeze-up Message-ID: <26272015.1105111716474.JavaMail.root@web9.mail.adelphia.net> I am experiencing my first system freeze since I installed k12ltps. recently, all my workstations froze; the mouse worked on all of them, but nothing else. I had to power down the server by turning off the cpu; the shutoff and reboot buttons could not be clicked. I'm wondering if there is some sort of maintenance that I have not been performing on my server over the last few months that would gradually slow it down, such as deleting cache. I have deleted cashe and history on web browsers. Many of my clients have less than the desired amount of ram, but it seems to be much slower since I upgraded to 4.2. Any ideas? Thanks! From k12ltsp at hermon.net Fri Jan 7 15:51:24 2005 From: k12ltsp at hermon.net (k12ltsp) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 10:51:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound Not Working on my Linux Account Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." <"Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thu Jan 6 2005 at 21:48 -0500 wrote: >I had a similar problem (one account works, others do not) and deleting a >file labelled .esddsp_esddsp (or something similar) located in the >account's home directory solved the issue. However, you also will need >the fix mentioned earlier regarding adding file /tmp/.esd/socket . Just >a shot in the dark. > > >Sincerely, >Dave Hopkins Hi Dave! The socket was missing. That fixed it. Thanks. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Alan Owen Recent Hermon High School Graduate (Class of '02) Hermon Information Services/Hermon School Department "Using Technology to Empower All Students to Succeed in a Changing World." Webmaster of http://www.brittany-snow.com The Official Website for the actress Brittany Snow on NBC's American Dreams ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > on Thu Jan 6 2005 at 21:48 -0500 wrote: >I had a similar problem (one account works, others do not) and deleting a >file labelled .esddsp_esddsp (or something similar) located in the >account's home directory solved the issue. However, you also will need >the fix mentioned earlier regarding adding file /tmp/.esd/socket . Just >a shot in the dark. > > >Sincerely, >Dave Hopkins Hi Dave! The socket was missing. That fixed it. Thanks! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Alan Owen Recent Hermon High School Graduate (Class of '02) Hermon Information Services/Hermon School Department "Using Technology to Empower All Students to Succeed in a Changing World." Webmaster of http://www.brittany-snow.com The Official Website for the actress Brittany Snow on NBC's American Dreams ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From dahopkins at comcast.net Fri Jan 7 15:49:16 2005 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 15:49:16 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Mozilla hangs on Flash-enabled sites! Message-ID: <010720051549.9475.41DEAF7C000BF5AA0000250322070029539C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> I use Gnome and it has worked well. I was using esd, but have now disabled esd, and the sound hack as well. But ... now users can't even log in! They get to the blue screen (I use gnome) and everything hangs. The screen actually flashes once, but then nothing. grep'ing for their process shows X11/xinit running and esdctl unlock as well. Those that are logged in, can't log out: it hangs. If they do try to log onto another system, the purge_user script will kill both sessions. I think that I will reboot all the servers at lunch. Again, my manta: This all started after an upgrade to LTSP 4.1. Since the major change was to add sound, it must be somehow sound related, but ... And ... I get this MaxSessions error alot (>50%) time now. I upped Maxsessions to 500 in gdm.conf, but still get the error. At wits end. Dave Hopkins Newark Charter School > I remember having that problem a couple years ago, but can't remember > exactly what the cure was, but I think it was a sound issue. Check the > archives from 2003.....search for my name...I'll try to do the same. Are > you using nasd in lts.conf? What gui are you using? Gnome or IceWM? > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From k12ltsp at hermon.net Fri Jan 7 16:01:46 2005 From: k12ltsp at hermon.net (k12ltsp) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 11:01:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound Not Working on my Linux Account Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thu Jan 6 2005 at 21:51 -0500 wrote: >I have sound in everything and I run nasd. I too am using K12LTSP 4.1.1. >I chose not to use ESD as sound won't work in Flash if you do....and >that's kind of important around here when using the internet for sites >like Starfall.com or Brainpop.com....etc. I also know that sound works >fine in Helix and in RealPlayer 10. Remember...sound won't work for >"root"....but should work fine for everyone else. Just curious...why are >you using Gnome as opposed to IceWm? I found Gnome to slow things down >WAY too much as opposed to IceWM, but maybe you've found a better way? >Can you post your lts.conf for folks to help troubleshoot? Hi David! Thanks for your email. We would love to get sound to work in Flash too. Actually, we will need NASD to work anyway because it looks like Citrix is built to use OSS (NASD). I tried your advice and switched over to NASD, and it worked! For the first time, I got audio on Citrix, and RealPlayer worked. All the games had sound too! There's only one problem though. I couldn't get the same results using NASD in gnome, even after switching the settings to OSS. We haven't exprienced any slow results using Gnome here. I looked on the internet and I found information for the reverse: How to get NASD to work in ICEWM with some modifications when it works perfect in Gnome. I'm guessing a previous iteration of Linux used to have this problem. However, do you know right off by chance how to get NASD to work in Gnome? I'm presuming it's just a matter of turning on an option somewhere or creating a socket file. Take care and I hope things are going well there in Vassleboro! (Did I spell that right?!) Sincerely, ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Alan Owen Recent Hermon High School Graduate (Class of '02) Hermon Information Services/Hermon School Department "Using Technology to Empower All Students to Succeed in a Changing World." Webmaster of http://www.brittany-snow.com The Official Website for the actress Brittany Snow on NBC's American Dreams ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From dahopkins at comcast.net Fri Jan 7 16:41:00 2005 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 16:41:00 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Mozilla hangs on Flash-enabled sites! Message-ID: <010720051641.12332.41DEBB9C0001F80D0000302C22070016419C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> And it keeps getting worse. At the console, root can't logout! And, Mozilla with flash hangs. Dave Hopkins > I remember having that problem a couple years ago, but can't remember > exactly what the cure was, but I think it was a sound issue. Check the > archives from 2003.....search for my name...I'll try to do the same. Are > you using nasd in lts.conf? What gui are you using? Gnome or IceWM? > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dahopkins at comcast.net Fri Jan 7 18:28:44 2005 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 18:28:44 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Mozilla hangs on Flash-enabled sites! Message-ID: <010720051828.18378.41DED4DC00070B4F000047CA22007511509C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> David, I found: http://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2003-February/msg00693.html But it doesn't offer a solution in any of the replys. The teachers are about ready to revolt. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins > I remember having that problem a couple years ago, but can't remember > exactly what the cure was, but I think it was a sound issue. Check the > archives from 2003.....search for my name...I'll try to do the same. Are > you using nasd in lts.conf? What gui are you using? Gnome or IceWM? > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From trondrm at online.no Fri Jan 7 18:40:20 2005 From: trondrm at online.no (Trond =?iso-8859-1?q?M=E6hlum?=) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 19:40:20 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound continued... In-Reply-To: <010720051549.9475.41DEAF7C000BF5AA0000250322070029539C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> References: <010720051549.9475.41DEAF7C000BF5AA0000250322070029539C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <200501071940.20861.trondrm@online.no> This seems to be a hot topic these days. I also have sound now, I get the best results with nasd. But I can't get mplayer to work with nasd. There is no nas option in preferences. Some url about nas said that mplayer had native support for nas, but it does not show as a possible audio out. There is an esd option though, which works, kind of. It works with mplayer, but not gmplayer...Can anyone help me with that one? If I use the gui and choose the file It plays the first tone and freezes. With mplayer from the command prompt it works fine. In wine I cannot get any sound at all. Does anyone know of a trick there? What exactly does the sound hack in 4.2 do? I thought it would keep the /tmp/.esd/socket in place, it does not. I have just changed it from no to yes. I have not run any scripts after that, should I have? It seems to me that most success stories with sound comes from using nasd. I know that in Norwegian Skolelinux (Debian Woody) it works with nasd, but it requires libaudiooss to use oss as the sound server with nasd. I have found libaudiooss and downloaded it, but make fails. Is there an rpm somewhere? Regards Trond Maehlum From sharbour at nwresd.k12.or.us Fri Jan 7 20:08:07 2005 From: sharbour at nwresd.k12.or.us (Sean Harbour) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 12:08:07 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Evolution 2, Mandrake 10.1 and Exchange 2003 works! In-Reply-To: <20050107020907.7A6267315C@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050107020907.7A6267315C@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1105128487.29220.7.camel@localhost> > Sean Harbour wrote: > > >>Worked great, and now I'm Exchange-Server-enabled...wirelessly. > >>:-) > >> > >> > > > >Which version of Exchange? I have not been able to get Evolution 2.0 > on Mandrake 10.1 Final to work with Exchange 2003. > >I did some digging and found a few emails on the web mentioning that > the Ximian connector does not work with Exchange 2003 with the latest > MS service packs applied. (Why am I not surprised?) > >Anybody have any more info on this? > > > >Sean Harbour > >sean at harbours.us > > > > > > Hello Sean, > > We currently use Exchange Server 2003, with whatever the latest > security > patches are to the OS and the groupware server. The email admins > handle > all the mail servers, so I don't know which specific patches are > applied > to the mail servers or their underlying OS's, but I suspect that all > the > latest security patches are applied. What is the error message that > you're seeing, and when? > > > --TP Hmmm. I fired up Evolution for the first time in a month and it is now working flawlessly with the company Exchange 2003 server. If I had to guess on a cause, it probably had something to do with a McAfee antivirus install gone horribly wrong necessitating a new install of Exchange. I'm so glad I don't manage that box... So, how many people are running OpenExchange with minimal problems? Getting buy in from management on replacing Exchange is looking pretty easy these days. Sean Harbour sean at harbours.us -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From dahopkins at comcast.net Fri Jan 7 20:14:50 2005 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 20:14:50 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound continued... Message-ID: <010720052014.7003.41DEEDBA000A94FB00001B5B22007511509C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> > What exactly does the sound hack in 4.2 do? I thought it would keep > the /tmp/.esd/socket in place, it does not. I have just changed it from > no to yes. I have not run any scripts after that, should I have? > I just disabled esd on all systems since with it, my RH9 K12LTSP went very unstable. The sound hack says it can cause instability: Trust it, it can. I would change it back to no asap, but that is based on my nightmare for the last week. I will be trying to get nasd working this weekend instead. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins From lucanavo at libero.it Fri Jan 7 21:42:44 2005 From: lucanavo at libero.it (Luca Navone) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 22:42:44 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] problem with classroom-user and animation Message-ID: <20050107224244.1aa40e44.lucanavo@libero.it> Hallo, it's the first time that I use this mailing list. I hope don't make mistakes using it! I've installed k12ltsp in the primary school informatic lab, where I teach. I meet two problems. 1) I want to use a "classroom login" not an individual login (it is not important in a primary school to have a personal login, it is most important the class work). So I've added some users as: classe_prima_a (in english: class_first_a) classe_prima_b classe_seconda_a etc. Every time that a client make the login the server respond something of this kind: "you are already connected, do you want connected another time?" I answer yes every time and every client display the desktop of the classroom that I wish. Perfect? No, because now start the problem: if I launch openoffice writer on pc n?1 it open a session on pc n?1 but if also pc n?2 launch openoffice writer there will be another session on pc n? 1. If also all the seven clients launch openoffice writer all the session are opened on pc n?1. Could be a solution? It is not very easy administrate 260 or more children, and it is not useful... 2) The second problem. The animation. I am amazing because a big and fat program as openoffice or mozilla starts in few seconds (from a client) and works fine and a more simple program as tuxmath works with a slowness that make it unuseful. I tought the problem was the hub and so I tried to connect only one client with the server with a cross-cable, but the problem was quite the same. The velocity on the client was 1/10 of the same program on the server. Are there some tricks for make faster this kind of programs? In a primary school they are very important.... Thanks for the help! From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Jan 7 22:06:26 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 14:06:26 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] problem with classroom-user and animation In-Reply-To: <20050107224244.1aa40e44.lucanavo@libero.it> References: <20050107224244.1aa40e44.lucanavo@libero.it> Message-ID: <41DF07E2.3090409@paasda.org> Luca Navone wrote: >Every time that a client make the login the server respond something of this kind: "you are already connected, do you want connected another time?" >I answer yes every time and every client display the desktop of the classroom that I wish. Perfect? No, because now start the problem: if I launch openoffice writer on pc n?1 it open a session on pc n?1 but if also pc n?2 launch openoffice writer there will be another session on pc n? 1. If also all the seven clients launch openoffice writer all the session are opened on pc n?1. >Could be a solution? It is not very easy administrate 260 or more children, and it is not useful... > >2) The second problem. The animation. I am amazing because a big and fat program as openoffice or mozilla starts in few seconds (from a client) and works fine and a more simple program as tuxmath works with a slowness that make it unuseful. >I tought the problem was the hub and so I tried to connect only one client with the server with a cross-cable, but the problem was quite the same. The velocity on the client was 1/10 of the same program on the server. >Are there some tricks for make faster this kind of programs? In a primary school they are very important.... > >Thanks for the help! > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > #1 with webmin 260 children is very easy to administrate as you can add them all at one time with a simple text file #2 the animation is intense compared to open office or mozilla...and if you plan on running tuxmath on more than 1 or 2 clients you really MUST use a switch that takes GIG-E from the server to the clients... CPU and RAM intensive also...so if you are running a mediocre(not that great) of a server then you are likely to see problems...and if your server only has a 10/100 network card you can pretty much forget about it. From rmccue at law.uvic.ca Fri Jan 7 22:01:06 2005 From: rmccue at law.uvic.ca (Rich McCue) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 14:01:06 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] WhiteBoxLinux K12LSTP Test NAT problem.... Message-ID: <20050107140106742.00000003808@r171-rich> I'm running WhiteBoxLinux on a server for a small office, some users have thin clients and others have fat Windows clients using NAT to get out to the internet. I applied a large group of patches yesterday and rebooted the server over night and the NAT (Network Address Translation) has stopped working. I tried reinstalling the nat-0.0.3-1.k12ltsp.1.3.1.noarch.rpm package to see if that would fix the problem, but it did not. Any ideas on where I should look for the problem? Here is the lengthy list of the packages that I upgraded yesterday (see link below). Any help would be much appreciated as my fat client users are clamoring for the internet: http://www.law.uvic.ca/rmccue/packages.html Rich McCue Systems Administrator UVic Faculty of Law www.law.uvic.ca (250) 472-4716 From nbs at sonic.net Fri Jan 7 22:09:59 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 14:09:59 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] problem with classroom-user and animation In-Reply-To: <41DF07E2.3090409@paasda.org> References: <20050107224244.1aa40e44.lucanavo@libero.it> <41DF07E2.3090409@paasda.org> Message-ID: <20050107220959.GA9467@sonic.net> On Fri, Jan 07, 2005 at 02:06:26PM -0800, Huck wrote: > #2 the animation is intense compared to open office or mozilla...and if > you plan on running tuxmath on more than 1 or 2 clients you really MUST > use a switch that takes GIG-E from the server to the clients... > CPU and RAM intensive also...so if you are running a mediocre(not that > great) of a server then you are likely to see problems...and if your > server only has a 10/100 network card you can pretty much forget about it. Tux Math also has a "--nobackground" mode (or something similar; see "tuxmath --help") which should help improve speed. (At the price of pretty background images ;^) ) -bill! bill at newbreedsoftware.com April shower bring Kompressor power! http://newbreedsoftware.com/ From rmccue at law.uvic.ca Fri Jan 7 21:31:08 2005 From: rmccue at law.uvic.ca (Rich McCue) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 13:31:08 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] WhiteBoxLinux K12LSTP Test NAT problem.... Message-ID: <20050107133108805.00000003808@r171-rich> I'm running WhiteBoxLinux on a server for a small office, some users have thin clients and others have fat Windows clients using NAT to get out to the internet. I applied a large group of patches yesterday and rebooted the server over night and the NAT (Network Address Translation) has stopped working. I tried reinstalling the nat-0.0.3-1.k12ltsp.1.3.1.noarch.rpm package to see if that would fix the problem, but it did not. Any ideas on where I should look for the problem? Here is the lengthy list of the packages that I upgraded yesterday. 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librsvg2-2.2.3-6.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:40 81K [ ] librsvg2-devel-2.2.3-6.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:40 42K [ ] libstdc++-3.2.3-49.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:41 258K [ ] libstdc++-devel-3.2.3-49.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:41 1.2M [ ] libtabe-0.2.6-6.EL.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:43 4.6M [ ] libtabe-devel-0.2.6-6.EL.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:43 113K [ ] libuser-0.51.7-1.EL3.3.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:43 251K [ ] libuser-devel-0.51.7-1.EL3.3.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:43 73K [ ] libxslt-1.0.33-5.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:44 370K [ ] libxslt-devel-1.0.33-5.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:44 208K [ ] libxslt-python-1.0.33-5.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:44 97K [ ] losetup-2.11y-31.2.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:44 31K [ ] lvm-1.0.8-9.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:44 536K [ ] mailman-2.1.5-23.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:47 7.7M [ ] MAKEDEV-3.3.12.3-1.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:47 124K [ ] mdadm-1.5.0-9.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:47 79K [ ] metacity-2.4.55-7.12.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:48 1.1M [ ] mikmod-3.1.6-21.2.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:48 246K [ ] mikmod-devel-3.1.6-21.2.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:48 205K [ ] modutils-2.4.25-14.EL.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:48 290K [ ] modutils-devel-2.4.25-14.EL.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:48 49K [ ] mount-2.11y-31.2.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:48 101K [ ] netconfig-0.8.19-1.1.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:48 68K [ ] net-snmp-5.0.9-2.30E.12.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:49 713K [ ] net-snmp-devel-5.0.9-2.30E.12.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:49 191K [ ] net-snmp-libs-5.0.9-2.30E.12.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:49 1.4M [ ] net-snmp-perl-5.0.9-2.30E.12.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:49 148K [ ] net-snmp-utils-5.0.9-2.30E.12.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:49 144K [ ] net-tools-1.60-20E.1.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:49 289K [ ] openjade-1.3.1-12.1.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:51 3.6M [ ] openssh-3.6.1p2-33.30.3.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:51 262K [ ] openssh-askpass-3.6.1p2-33.30.3.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:51 46K [ ] openssh-askpass-gnome-3.6.1p2-33.30.3.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:51 28K [ ] openssh-clients-3.6.1p2-33.30.3.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:51 305K [ ] openssh-server-3.6.1p2-33.30.3.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:51 182K [ ] pam-0.75-62.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:52 804K [ ] pam-devel-0.75-62.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:52 76K [ ] pango-1.2.5-5.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:52 337K [ ] pango-devel-1.2.5-5.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:52 133K [ ] pcre-3.9-10.1.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:52 44K [ ] pcre-devel-3.9-10.1.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:52 58K [ ] perl-5.8.0-88.9.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:57 10M [ ] perl-CGI-2.81-88.9.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:57 184K [ ] perl-CPAN-1.61-88.9.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:57 103K [ ] perl-Crypt-SSLeay-0.51-4.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:57 37K [ ] perl-DB_File-1.804-88.9.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:57 72K [ ] perl-suidperl-5.8.0-88.9.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:57 86K [ ] procps-2.0.17-13.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:57 155K [ ] psacct-6.3.2-28.rhel3.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:57 51K [ ] pump-devel-0.8.19-1.1.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:57 20K [ ] python-2.2.3-6.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:59 4.1M [ ] python-devel-2.2.3-6.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:59 1.1M [ ] python-docs-2.2.3-6.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 15:00 1.8M [ ] python-tools-2.2.3-6.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 15:00 38K [ ] quota-3.10-4.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 15:00 280K [ ] readline-4.3-5.2.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 15:00 175K [ ] readline-devel-4.3-5.2.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 15:00 123K [ ] redhat-config-printer-0.6.47.3.23-1.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 15:00 616K [ ] redhat-config-printer-gui-0.6.47.3.23-1.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 15:00 90K [ ] redhat-config-securitylevel-1.2.9.2-1.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 15:01 74K [ ] redhat-config-securitylevel-tui-1.2.9.2-1.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 15:01 73K [ ] redhat-lsb-1.3-3.1.EL3.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 15:01 14K [ ] ruby-1.6.8-9.EL3.3.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 15:01 173K [ ] ruby-devel-1.6.8-9.EL3.3.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 15:01 409K [ ] ruby-docs-1.6.8-9.EL3.3.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 15:01 767K [ ] ruby-libs-1.6.8-9.EL3.3.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 15:01 666K [ ] ruby-mode-1.6.8-9.EL3.3.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 15:01 35K [ ] ruby-tcltk-1.6.8-9.EL3.3.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 15:01 80K [ ] rusers-0.17-40.30.2.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 15:02 21K [ ] rusers-server-0.17-40.30.2.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 15:02 25K [ ] sane-backends-1.0.9-5.7.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 15:02 1.9M [ ] sane-backends-devel-1.0.9-5.7.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 15:02 29K [ ] schedutils-1.3.0-5.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 15:02 21K [ ] shadow-utils-4.0.3-22.02.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 15:03 483K [ ] spamassassin-2.55-3.4.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 15:03 425K [ ] squid-2.5.STABLE3-6.3E.2.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 15:03 1.1M [ ] sysstat-5.0.5-5.rhel3.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 15:03 103K [ ] tcp_wrappers-7.6-34.1.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 15:03 94K [ ] tcsh-6.12-11.EL3.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 15:04 580K [ ] tftp-0.39-0.EL3.1.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 15:04 19K [ ] tftp-server-0.39-0.EL3.1.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 15:04 26K [ ] tkinter-2.2.3-6.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 15:04 261K [ ] usermode-1.68-5E.2.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 15:04 81K [ ] usermode-gtk-1.68-5E.2.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 15:04 102K [ ] util-linux-2.11y-31.2.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 15:04 1.3M [ ] vim-common-6.3.029-1.30E.3.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 15:06 3.4M [ ] vim-enhanced-6.3.029-1.30E.3.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 15:06 910K [ ] vim-minimal-6.3.029-1.30E.3.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 15:06 249K [ ] vim-X11-6.3.029-1.30E.3.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 15:07 1.0M [ ] vnc-4.0-0.beta4.1.4.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 15:07 139K [ ] vnc-server-4.0-0.beta4.1.4.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 15:07 1.2M [ ] vsftpd-1.2.1-3E.1.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 15:07 93K [ ] vte-0.11.10-11.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 15:08 467K [ ] vte-devel-0.11.10-11.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 15:08 643K [ ] xinetd-2.3.12-6.3E.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 15:08 128K [ ] ypbind-1.12-5.21.1.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 15:08 30K [ ] ypserv-2.8-11.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 15:08 119K [ ] yp-tools-2.8-6.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 15:08 63K [ ] arts-1.1.3-2.3.WB1.i386.rpm 27-Dec-2004 15:12 1.0M [ ] arts-devel-1.1.3-2.3.WB1.i386.rpm 27-Dec-2004 15:12 185K Rich McCue Systems Administrator UVic Faculty of Law www.law.uvic.ca (250) 472-4716 From adammelancon at gmail.com Fri Jan 7 22:39:04 2005 From: adammelancon at gmail.com (Adam Melancon) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 16:39:04 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] WhiteBoxLinux K12LSTP Test NAT problem.... In-Reply-To: <20050107133108805.00000003808@r171-rich> References: <20050107133108805.00000003808@r171-rich> Message-ID: <489287610501071439340bceb0@mail.gmail.com> Are you doing NAT using iptables, if you are check to make sure that the entries are in there iptables -L -t nat If they aren't you will need to put them back (you might need to change eth0 below to your settings) iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE and enable ip forwarding echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 13:31:08 -0800, Rich McCue wrote: > I'm running WhiteBoxLinux on a server for a small office, some users have thin clients and others have fat Windows clients using NAT to get out to the internet. I applied a large group of patches yesterday and rebooted the server over night and the NAT (Network Address Translation) has stopped working. I tried reinstalling the nat-0.0.3-1.k12ltsp.1.3.1.noarch.rpm package to see if that would fix the problem, but it did not. Any ideas on where I should look for the problem? Here is the lengthy list of the packages that I upgraded yesterday. Any help would be much appreciated as my fat client users are clamoring for the internet: > > [ ] amtu-0.1-7RHEL.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 13:32 18K > [ ] anacron-2.3-25.1.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 13:33 32K > [ ] arts-1.1.3-2.3.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 13:33 1.0M > [ ] arts-devel-1.1.3-2.3.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 13:33 185K > [ ] aspell-0.33.7.1-25.1.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 13:34 2.6M > [ ] aspell-config-0.33.7.1-25.1.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 13:34 8.6K > [ ] aspell-devel-0.33.7.1-25.1.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 13:34 450K > [ ] aspell-en-ca-0.33.7.1-25.1.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 13:34 65K > [ ] aspell-en-gb-0.33.7.1-25.1.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 13:34 65K > [ ] at-3.1.8-60_EL3.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 13:34 52K > [ ] bind-9.2.4-5_EL3.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 13:35 458K > [ ] bind-chroot-9.2.4-5_EL3.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 13:35 32K > [ ] bind-devel-9.2.4-5_EL3.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 13:36 2.1M > [ ] bind-libs-9.2.4-5_EL3.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 13:36 545K > [ ] bind-utils-9.2.4-5_EL3.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 13:36 131K > [ ] busybox-0.60.5-11.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 13:36 454K > [ ] busybox-anaconda-0.60.5-11.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 13:36 107K > [ ] compat-db-4.0.14-5.1.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 13:38 3.5M > [ ] cpp-3.2.3-49.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 13:38 243K > [ ] cups-1.1.17-13.3.16.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 13:39 2.3M > [ ] cups-devel-1.1.17-13.3.16.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 13:39 123K > [ ] cups-libs-1.1.17-13.3.16.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 13:39 91K > [ ] cvs-1.11.2-25.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 13:39 1.1M > [ ] dev-3.3.12.3-1.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 13:41 2.8M > [ ] devlabel-0.48.03-6.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 13:41 32K > [ ] dhclient-3.0.1-10_EL3.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 13:41 217K > [ ] dhcp-3.0.1-10_EL3.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 13:41 566K > [ ] dhcp-devel-3.0.1-10_EL3.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 13:41 105K > [ ] e2fsprogs-1.32-15.1.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 13:41 517K > [ ] e2fsprogs-devel-1.32-15.1.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 13:41 118K > [ ] esound-0.2.28-6.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 13:41 124K > [ ] esound-devel-0.2.28-6.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 13:41 68K > [ ] evolution-1.4.5-9.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 13:47 14M > [ ] evolution-devel-1.4.5-9.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 13:48 1.4M > [ ] gcc-3.2.3-49.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 13:50 4.4M > [ ] gcc-c++-3.2.3-49.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 13:51 1.9M > [ ] gcc-g77-3.2.3-49.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 13:52 1.8M > [ ] gcc-gnat-3.2.3-49.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 13:54 5.7M > [ ] gcc-java-3.2.3-49.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 13:55 1.5M > [ ] gcc-objc-3.2.3-49.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 13:55 1.3M > [ ] gdb-6.1post-1.20040607.52.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 13:56 2.4M > [ ] ghostscript-7.05-32.1.9.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:00 7.5M > [ ] ghostscript-devel-7.05-32.1.9.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:00 30K > [ ] gnome-libs-1.4.1.2.90-34.2.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:00 1.0M > [ ] gnome-libs-devel-1.4.1.2.90-34.2.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:00 1.1M > [ ] gnome-python2-1.99.14-5.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:01 99K > [ ] gnome-python2-applet-1.99.14-5.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:01 11K > [ ] gnome-python2-bonobo-1.99.14-5.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:01 45K > [ ] gnome-python2-canvas-1.99.14-5.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:01 17K > [ ] gnome-python2-gconf-1.99.14-5.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:01 23K > [ ] gnome-python2-gnomevfs-1.99.14-5.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:01 17K > [ ] gnome-python2-gtkhtml2-1.99.14-5.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:01 11K > [ ] gnome-python2-nautilus-1.99.14-5.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:01 14K > [ ] gphoto2-2.1.0-7.1.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:01 629K > [ ] gphoto2-devel-2.1.0-7.1.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:01 152K > [ ] grep-2.5.1-24.1.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:01 169K > [ ] gtk+-1.2.10-31.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:01 850K > [ ] gtk2-2.2.4-12.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:03 3.0M > [ ] gtk2-devel-2.2.4-12.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:03 1.7M > [ ] gtk+-devel-1.2.10-31.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:04 1.2M > [ ] guile-1.6.4-8.30.1.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:04 765K > [ ] guile-devel-1.6.4-8.30.1.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:05 860K > [ ] hesiod-3.0.2-28.1.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:05 20K > [ ] hesiod-devel-3.0.2-28.1.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:05 20K > [ ] hpijs-1.3-32.1.9.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:05 141K > [ ] ImageMagick-5.5.6-7.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:06 2.8M > [ ] ImageMagick-c++-5.5.6-7.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:06 129K > [ ] ImageMagick-c++-devel-5.5.6-7.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:06 169K > [ ] ImageMagick-devel-5.5.6-7.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:07 1.1M > [ ] ImageMagick-perl-5.5.6-7.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:07 66K > [ ] imlib-1.9.13-13.4.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:07 150K > [ ] imlib-cfgeditor-1.9.13-13.4.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:07 246K > [ ] imlib-devel-1.9.13-13.4.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:07 232K > [ ] ipsec-tools-0.2.5-0.6.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:07 201K > [ ] iputils-20020927-11.30.1.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:07 92K > [ ] irb-1.6.8-9.EL3.3.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:07 50K > [ ] iscsi-initiator-utils-3.6.2-4.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:07 107K > [ ] kdebase-3.1.3-5.5.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:15 18M > [ ] kdebase-devel-3.1.3-5.5.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:15 88K > [ ] kernel-BOOT-2.4.21-27.0.1.EL.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 14:17 5.4M > [ ] kernel-doc-2.4.21-27.0.1.EL.i386.rpm 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30K > [ ] ypserv-2.8-11.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 15:08 119K > [ ] yp-tools-2.8-6.i386.rpm 24-Dec-2004 15:08 63K > [ ] arts-1.1.3-2.3.WB1.i386.rpm 27-Dec-2004 15:12 1.0M > [ ] arts-devel-1.1.3-2.3.WB1.i386.rpm 27-Dec-2004 15:12 185K > > > Rich McCue > Systems Administrator > UVic Faculty of Law > www.law.uvic.ca > (250) 472-4716 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Adam Melancon Work: http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us Personal: http://www.melancon.org From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Jan 7 23:17:36 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 15:17:36 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.2.0/x86_64 HOWTO Message-ID: <1105139856.25413.163.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> I installed the K12LTSP 4.2.0 packages on my Athlon64 laptop today. No major issues, almost everything worked out of the box. The only real gotchas I've seen so far: 1) no support for the java or flash plugins 2) up2date does not include the K12LTSP repositories (i.e. "add additional software does not work", which is not too big of a deal since Java and Flash are not supported) 3) apt does not work I'll fix items #2 & #3 sometime in the near future. Here are the steps I followed: 0. Install FC3 x86_64. I picked a standard Desktop install. The only things I changed from the default were: Firewall: trust eth0 Network: eth0 IP=192.168.0.254 netmask 255.255.255.0 Once the install was completed... 1. Download and install k12ltsp-release package: rpm -ihv ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.0/i386/Fedora/RPMS/k12ltsp-release-4.2.0-1.noarch.rpm 2. Import GPG keys: rpm --import /usr/share/doc/k12ltsp/*KEY* rpm --import ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.0/RPMS/x86-64/RPM-GPG-KEY-Fedora-Pre-Extras 3. Install K12LTSP packages: yum install k12ltsp-core k12ltsp-extras k12ltsp-utils k12ltsp-education 4. Configure K12LTSP: /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/K12Linux-LTSP-initialize 5. Reboot 6. Rejoice -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From dahopkins at comcast.net Fri Jan 7 23:44:02 2005 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 23:44:02 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] WhiteBoxLinux K12LSTP Test NAT problem.... Message-ID: <010720052344.11790.41DF1EC2000349D500002E0E22007621949C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> My guesses would be to see if iptables was altered, or perhaps an rc script to start them didn't get started. Perhaps xinetd or bind upgrades changed something? Sincerely, Dave Hopkins > I'm running WhiteBoxLinux on a server for a small office, some users have thin > clients and others have fat Windows clients using NAT to get out to the > internet. I applied a large group of patches yesterday and rebooted the server > over night and the NAT (Network Address Translation) has stopped working. I > tried reinstalling the nat-0.0.3-1.k12ltsp.1.3.1.noarch.rpm package to see if > that would fix the problem, but it did not. Any ideas on where I should look > for the problem? Here is the lengthy list of the packages that I upgraded > yesterday (see link below). Any help would be much appreciated as my fat client > users are clamoring for the internet: > > http://www.law.uvic.ca/rmccue/packages.html > > Rich McCue > Systems Administrator > UVic Faculty of Law > www.law.uvic.ca > (250) 472-4716 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From carl at snarlnet.com Fri Jan 7 23:47:20 2005 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 15:47:20 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] graphire on a client Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20050107154643.020ce698@pop.easystreet.com> Does anyone know how to get a Wacom Graphire tablet to work on a thin client? Thanks, ck From ramonklown at pop.com.br Fri Jan 7 20:33:20 2005 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 18:33:20 -0200 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] 4.2 freeze-up In-Reply-To: <26272015.1105111716474.JavaMail.root@web9.mail.adelphia.net> References: <26272015.1105111716474.JavaMail.root@web9.mail.adelphia.net> Message-ID: <1299.201.19.207.161.1105130000.squirrel@popmail5.pop.com.br> What are the configurations of each client? Server Configuration? Type of Lan (etherboot? pxe?)? Switch? how many pcs on client and server? You might want to try to download k12os 4.2.0 instead of upgrading and install a fresh install. (if you home directory is not separate make it separate now and make other things separated) Peace > I am experiencing my first system freeze since I installed k12ltps. recently, all > my workstations froze; the mouse worked on all of them, but nothing else. I had to > power down the server by turning off the cpu; the shutoff and reboot buttons could > not be clicked. I'm wondering if there is some sort of maintenance that I have not > been performing on my server over the last few months that would gradually slow it > down, such as deleting cache. I have deleted cashe and history on web browsers. > Many of my clients have less than the desired amount of ram, but it seems to be > much slower since I upgraded to 4.2. Any ideas? Thanks! > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From pnelson at riverdale.k12.or.us Sat Jan 8 00:07:31 2005 From: pnelson at riverdale.k12.or.us (pnelson) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 16:07:31 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Mozilla hangs on Flash-enabled sites! In-Reply-To: <20050107222841.6E1077343B@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050107222841.6E1077343B@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1105142851.23087.7.camel@veronica.riverdale.k12.or.us> > And it keeps getting worse. At the console, root can't logout! And, Mozilla with flash hangs. > > Dave Hopkins > I'm running 4.2.0 on all our servers and we're not having troubles with flash. A long time ago... flash would freeze but that was before version 7 came out. Let's be sure you're using the latest software. Here's what we're using: [pnelson at veronica ~]$ rpm -q mozilla mozilla-1.7.3-17 [pnelson at veronica ~]$ rpm -q flash-plugin flash-plugin-7.0.25-1 I'm using http://macromedia.com to be sure it works. If you have a URL for a site that crashes, send that along and we'll give that a try too. ;-) Paul -- ====================================================================== Paul Nelson.............................. pnelson at riverdale.k12.or.us Riverdale High...........9727 SW Terwilliger Blvd. Portland, OR 97219 (503)892-0722......fax(503)892-0723.... http://hs.riverdale.k12.or.us From prentice at instruction.com Sat Jan 8 01:35:09 2005 From: prentice at instruction.com (Dave Prentice) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 19:35:09 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Mozilla hangs on Flash-enabled sites! Message-ID: <01c4f522$4a59aa60$6500000a@Dave.HOME> Have you tried going to /tmp and deleting the contents of all the orbit-XXX directories? I've had weird problems that disappeared after doing that. Dave Prentice prentice at instruction.com >Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 14:11:46 +0000 >From: dahopkins at comcast.net >Subject: [K12OSN] Mozilla hangs on Flash-enabled sites! >Over the Holidays, I upgraded my RH9 K12LTSP to LTSP 4.1. Since then I have had numerous issues including users not able to log out (gdm issue, but I have latest gdm rpm), accounts locking, screen freezing, and now Mozilla hanging on flash-enabled sites. Also, some of the thin clients will not even turn off. I have no idea what the common thread is except for the LTSP 4.1 upgrade. At this point I probably have no choice but to revert to LTSP 3 unless someone can clue me in on what would cause these issues. >Sincerely, >Dave Hopkins -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.9 - Release Date: 01/06/2005 From dahopkins at comcast.net Sat Jan 8 03:35:17 2005 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 03:35:17 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Mozilla hangs on Flash-enabled sites! Message-ID: <010820050335.3877.41DF54F50003208900000F2522007347489C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> > I'm running 4.2.0 on all our servers and we're not having troubles with > flash. A long time ago... flash would freeze but that was before version > 7 came out. I have RH9 (K12LTSP 3.1 release), and need to upgrade, but didn't want to do so mid-year. > Let's be sure you're using the latest software. Here's what we're using: > > [pnelson at veronica ~]$ rpm -q mozilla > mozilla-1.7.3-17 Not at the school, but from memory: Mozilla reports 1.7.5 and flash-plugin-7.0.25 (I reinstalled both) > I'm using http://macromedia.com to be sure it works. If you have a URL > for a site that crashes, send that along and we'll give that a try too. It was crashing on any site that used flash (e.g. comcast.net, macromedia) However, disabling esd (REMOTE_SOUND_HACKS=NO), and restarting all the thin clients seems to have alleviated the situation. As the note says, this can cause stability problems. Of course, I am now back to no sound at the clients. There is still some weirdness with the keyboard keystrokes not being displayed at the login prompt until the mouse is moved, but I'm thinking this has to be related to gdm (from posts to ltsp list). Again, all of this seems to be telling me it is time to upgrade the OS. As much as I would prefer to wait, I'll be at the school this weekend and will try to upgrade a system I can afford to 'lose', then go from there. Thanks for assistance. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins From dahopkins at comcast.net Sat Jan 8 03:36:42 2005 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 03:36:42 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Mozilla hangs on Flash-enabled sites! Message-ID: <010820050336.5770.41DF554A000934ED0000168A22007621949C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> I can try this too. Thanks, Dave Hopkins > Have you tried going to /tmp and deleting the contents of all the > orbit-XXX directories? I've had weird problems that disappeared after > doing that. > Dave Prentice > prentice at instruction.com > > >Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 14:11:46 +0000 > >From: dahopkins at comcast.net > >Subject: [K12OSN] Mozilla hangs on Flash-enabled sites! > >Over the Holidays, I upgraded my RH9 K12LTSP to LTSP 4.1. Since > then I have had numerous issues including users not able to log out > (gdm issue, but I have latest gdm rpm), accounts locking, screen > freezing, and now Mozilla hanging on flash-enabled sites. Also, some > of the thin clients will not even turn off. I have no idea what the > common thread is except for the LTSP 4.1 upgrade. At this point I > probably have no choice but to revert to LTSP 3 unless someone can > clue me in on what would cause these issues. > >Sincerely, > >Dave Hopkins > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.9 - Release Date: 01/06/2005 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From robark at telus.net Sat Jan 8 06:13:17 2005 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 22:13:17 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Server vulnerable to attack Message-ID: <41DF79FD.2030202@telus.net> My server is vulnerable to attack. Any student can write a tiny program to allocate a ridiculously huge amount of memory. The server basically runs out of memory. The ulimit.sh script in the wiki works to prevent this situation under gnome but it fails to work for IceWM. http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/limiting%20processes Does anyone know how to make it work under IceWM? I'm using 3.1.2 (RH9) -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V219 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sat Jan 8 07:25:14 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 23:25:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Server vulnerable to attack In-Reply-To: <41DF79FD.2030202@telus.net> References: <41DF79FD.2030202@telus.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 7 Jan 2005, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > My server is vulnerable to attack. Any student can write a tiny program to > allocate a ridiculously huge amount of memory. The server basically runs out > of memory. The ulimit.sh script in the wiki works to prevent this situation > under gnome but it fails to work for IceWM. > > http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/limiting%20processes > > Does anyone know how to make it work under IceWM? I'm using 3.1.2 (RH9) Try this out. Edit /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions Right towards the top you should see this: # initiate sound configs if [ -f /etc/profile.d/ltsp-esound.sh ] then . /etc/profile.d/ltsp-esound.sh fi Change this to: # load profile if [ -f /etc/profile ] then . /etc/profile.d fi I *think* that will do the trick. Let us know if it works or not. If it works I should update the icewm packages... -Eric From ssanders at coin.org Sat Jan 8 08:35:07 2005 From: ssanders at coin.org (ssanders at coin.org) Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 02:35:07 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] {solution}4.2 upgrade, no ETH1 In-Reply-To: <41DE83E9.1040307@cmosnetworks.com> References: <41DE83E9.1040307@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <1105173307.14805.11.camel@ltsp.bofh> On Fri, 2005-01-07 at 07:43 -0500, "Terrell Prud?, Jr." wrote: > 2.) Is the portmapper service running? Thank you, Terrell, that was it! I do not know how it was ended. Burke, thank you for the swapping of ETH0/ETH1 suggestion. I had noticed on an earlier upgrade that additional copies of each interface were added. -- Bones: Ensign Flintstone? He's Fred, Jim. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sat Jan 8 07:40:48 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 23:40:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Sound continued... In-Reply-To: <200501071940.20861.trondrm@online.no> References: <010720051549.9475.41DEAF7C000BF5AA0000250322070029539C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> <200501071940.20861.trondrm@online.no> Message-ID: On Fri, 7 Jan 2005, Trond [iso-8859-1] M?hlum wrote: > This seems to be a hot topic these days. I also have sound now, I get > the best results with nasd. But I can't get mplayer to work with nasd. > There is no nas option in preferences. Some url about nas said that > mplayer had native support for nas, but it does not show as a possible > audio out. There is an esd option though, which works, kind of. > > It works with mplayer, but not gmplayer...Can anyone help me with that > one? If I use the gui and choose the file It plays the first tone and > freezes. With mplayer from the command prompt it works fine. > > In wine I cannot get any sound at all. Does anyone know of a trick > there? If you are using nasd, you can try adding this to /etc/sysconfig/k12ltsp AUDIOOSS_WINE_HACK="y" I've never tried this, I have no idea if it works or not. > What exactly does the sound hack in 4.2 do? I thought it would keep > the /tmp/.esd/socket in place, it does not. I have just changed it from > no to yes. I have not run any scripts after that, should I have? You mean "REMOTE_SOUND_HACKS=YES" in /etc/sysconfig/k12ltsp? Currently that only changes the behavior of esd, it preloads the libesd and libesddsp libraries (similar to how nasd preloads libaudiooss). The /tmp/.esd/sock "hack" is set by adding this to /etc/sysconfig/k12ltsp FLASH_SOUND_HACK=YES > It seems to me that most success stories with sound comes from using > nasd. I know that in Norwegian Skolelinux (Debian Woody) it works with > nasd, but it requires libaudiooss to use oss as the sound server with > nasd. > > I have found libaudiooss and downloaded it, but make fails. Is there an > rpm somewhere? libaduiooss should already be installed, it is part of the ltsp_esound_server package. $ locate libaudiooss /lib/libaudiooss.so.1 /lib/libaudiooss.so.1.0 -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sat Jan 8 07:44:05 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 23:44:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Server vulnerable to attack In-Reply-To: References: <41DF79FD.2030202@telus.net> Message-ID: Let's try this again, there was a typo in the first email... On Fri, 7 Jan 2005, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Fri, 7 Jan 2005, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > >> My server is vulnerable to attack. Any student can write a tiny program to >> allocate a ridiculously huge amount of memory. The server basically runs out >> of memory. The ulimit.sh script in the wiki works to prevent this situation >> under gnome but it fails to work for IceWM. >> >> http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/limiting%20processes >> >> Does anyone know how to make it work under IceWM? I'm using 3.1.2 (RH9) Try this out. Edit /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions Right towards the top you should see this: # initiate sound configs if [ -f /etc/profile.d/ltsp-esound.sh ] then . /etc/profile.d/ltsp-esound.sh fi Change this to: # load profile if [ -f /etc/profile ] then . /etc/profile fi I *think* that will do the trick. Let us know if it works or not. If it works I should update the icewm packages... -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sat Jan 8 07:28:59 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 23:28:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] WhiteBoxLinux K12LSTP Test NAT problem.... In-Reply-To: <20050107140106742.00000003808@r171-rich> References: <20050107140106742.00000003808@r171-rich> Message-ID: On Fri, 7 Jan 2005, Rich McCue wrote: > I'm running WhiteBoxLinux on a server for a small office, some users have thin clients and others have fat Windows clients using NAT to get out to the internet. I applied a large group of patches yesterday and rebooted the server over night and the NAT (Network Address Translation) has stopped working. I tried reinstalling the nat-0.0.3-1.k12ltsp.1.3.1.noarch.rpm package to see if that would fix the problem, but it did not. Any ideas on where I should look for the problem? Here is the lengthy list of the packages that I upgraded yesterday (see link below). Any help would be much appreciated as my fat client users are clamoring for the internet: > > http://www.law.uvic.ca/rmccue/packages.html Just installing the "nat" package is not enough, you have to activate it: /sbin/chkconfig nat on /sbin/service nat start -Eric From ascensiontech at gmail.com Sat Jan 8 04:16:37 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Ascension Tech) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 23:16:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.2.0/x86_64 HOWTO In-Reply-To: <1105139856.25413.163.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <1105139856.25413.163.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <9bd317560501072016433f96f3@mail.gmail.com> Hey Eric, Congrats on the laptop. ;) I'm totally getting one (hypersonic-pc I think) for music production. How much of a performance boost would we get from using x86_64 on our dual opteron server? I'm assuming that it's pretty much just the kernel that's 64 bit. Thanks, Peter On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 15:17:36 -0800, Eric Harrison wrote: > > I installed the K12LTSP 4.2.0 packages on my Athlon64 laptop today. No > major issues, almost everything worked out of the box. The only real > gotchas I've seen so far: > > 1) no support for the java or flash plugins > 2) up2date does not include the K12LTSP repositories (i.e. "add > additional software does not work", which is not too big of a deal since > Java and Flash are not supported) > 3) apt does not work > > I'll fix items #2 & #3 sometime in the near future. > > Here are the steps I followed: > > 0. Install FC3 x86_64. I picked a standard Desktop install. The only > things I changed from the default were: > > Firewall: trust eth0 > Network: eth0 IP=192.168.0.254 netmask 255.255.255.0 > > Once the install was completed... > > 1. Download and install k12ltsp-release package: > > rpm -ihv ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.0/i386/Fedora/RPMS/k12ltsp-release-4.2.0-1.noarch.rpm > > 2. Import GPG keys: > > rpm --import /usr/share/doc/k12ltsp/*KEY* > rpm --import ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.0/RPMS/x86-64/RPM-GPG-KEY-Fedora-Pre-Extras > > 3. Install K12LTSP packages: > > yum install k12ltsp-core k12ltsp-extras k12ltsp-utils k12ltsp-education > > 4. Configure K12LTSP: > > /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/K12Linux-LTSP-initialize > > 5. Reboot > > 6. Rejoice > > > -Eric > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > From fhkms at adelphia.net Sat Jan 8 11:31:48 2005 From: fhkms at adelphia.net (Will Hatch) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 6:31:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] 4.2 freeze-up Message-ID: <10996288.1105183908449.JavaMail.root@web1.mail.adelphia.net> Thanks Ramon. I did decide to do a fresh install and it is working much better. I upgraded from 4.0.1 to 4.1 then to 4.2. Something must have been wrong from the sequence of upgrades. thanks again. ---- Ramon wrote: > What are the configurations of each client? Server Configuration? Type of Lan > (etherboot? pxe?)? Switch? how many pcs on client and server? > > You might want to try to download k12os 4.2.0 instead of upgrading and install a > fresh install. (if you home directory is not separate make it separate now and make > other things separated) > > Peace > > > I am experiencing my first system freeze since I installed k12ltps. recently, all > > my workstations froze; the mouse worked on all of them, but nothing else. I had to > > power down the server by turning off the cpu; the shutoff and reboot buttons could > > not be clicked. I'm wondering if there is some sort of maintenance that I have not > > been performing on my server over the last few months that would gradually slow it > > down, such as deleting cache. I have deleted cashe and history on web browsers. > > Many of my clients have less than the desired amount of ram, but it seems to be > > much slower since I upgraded to 4.2. Any ideas? Thanks! > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From nsinton at gmail.com Sat Jan 8 16:26:04 2005 From: nsinton at gmail.com (Nathan Sinton) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 09:26:04 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] icewm vs gnome Message-ID: <2b06a1a05010808265f93f639@mail.gmail.com> I am getting ready to roll out a terminal server at my school. It will be a dual 2.2 Ghz Xeon server with 2 GB of ram and will run k12ltsp 4.2.0. I'm using the IBM Linux client migration cookbook (http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redbooks/pdfs/sg246380.pdf) for my cross-platform authentication. (detailed in chapter 7) each student will have their own account with a home directory on a windows 2000 server. I'm using IBM's solution for mounting home directories so they will be mounted over samba. since symbolic links are not supported over samba it looks like I can't use KDE. I would like to know what window manager you would recommend and why, or if anyone has a solution to get KDE running with a samba mounted home directory. IBM's suggestion of mounting the samba share in a subdirectory of the user's home directory will be my LAST resort if nothing else works. Thanks, -Nathan From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sat Jan 8 16:42:53 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 08:42:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.2.0/x86_64 HOWTO In-Reply-To: <9bd317560501072016433f96f3@mail.gmail.com> References: <1105139856.25413.163.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> <9bd317560501072016433f96f3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 7 Jan 2005, Ascension Tech wrote: > Hey Eric, > Congrats on the laptop. ;) I'm totally getting one (hypersonic-pc I > think) for music production. How much of a performance boost would we > get from using x86_64 on our dual opteron server? It *feels* faster, but I have not done benchmarks. >I'm assuming that > it's pretty much just the kernel that's 64 bit. The vast majority of the applications are 64 bit as well. -Eric From Linux_Man at comcast.net Sat Jan 8 18:23:45 2005 From: Linux_Man at comcast.net (Brian Beck) Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 13:23:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] icewm vs gnome In-Reply-To: <2b06a1a05010808265f93f639@mail.gmail.com> References: <2b06a1a05010808265f93f639@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41E02531.8050100@comcast.net> Nathan Sinton wrote: > I am getting ready to roll out a terminal server at my school. It > will be a dual 2.2 Ghz Xeon server with 2 GB of ram and will run > k12ltsp 4.2.0. I'm using the IBM Linux client migration cookbook > (http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redbooks/pdfs/sg246380.pdf) for my > cross-platform authentication. (detailed in chapter 7) each student > will have their own account with a home directory on a windows 2000 > server. I'm using IBM's solution for mounting home directories so > they will be mounted over samba. since symbolic links are not > supported over samba it looks like I can't use KDE. I would like to > know what window manager you would recommend and why, or if anyone has > a solution to get KDE running with a samba mounted home directory. > IBM's suggestion of mounting the samba share in a subdirectory of the > user's home directory will be my LAST resort if nothing else works. > > Thanks, > -Nathan > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > I run a similar server - Dual Opteron 240s, 2GB of RAM, and currently K12LTSP 4.1.1 while I'm configuring an LTSP server on a Gentoo install. It depends on how many terminals you expect. The server I run is in a lab with 32 terminals; often all are in use simultaneously. Gnome and KDE are huge resource hogs; I find that IceWM looks very nice (very familiar to the students, who are used to a Win9X interface), is quick, and has a tiny memory footprint compared to Gnome and KDE. In an LTSP environment, it's probably the best Window Manager available for a mix of usability and low resources. From rmccue at law.uvic.ca Sat Jan 8 18:45:42 2005 From: rmccue at law.uvic.ca (Rich McCue) Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 10:45:42 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] WhiteBoxLinux K12LSTP Test NAT problem.... In-Reply-To: <20050108001510.68C30735CF@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050108001510.68C30735CF@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <41E02A56.1060108@law.uvic.ca> Adam, I checked iptables and get: [root at dilbert ipv4]# /sbin/iptables -L -t nat Chain PREROUTING (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination Chain POSTROUTING (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination MASQUERADE all -- anywhere anywhere Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination Is that what I should be getting? I also checked the echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward and it is there with the value of 1. I also restarted the nat service. How can I tell if it is actually running? Thanks for your help. I'm getting stressed out over this one. Rich >Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 16:39:04 -0600 >From: Adam Melancon >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] WhiteBoxLinux K12LSTP Test NAT problem.... >To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > >Message-ID: <489287610501071439340bceb0 at mail.gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > >Are you doing NAT using iptables, if you are check to make sure that >the entries are in there >iptables -L -t nat > >If they aren't you will need to put them back (you might need to >change eth0 below to your settings) >iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE > >and enable ip forwarding >echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward > >On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 13:31:08 -0800, Rich McCue wrote: > > >>I'm running WhiteBoxLinux on a server for a small office, some users have thin clients and others have fat Windows clients using NAT to get out to the internet. I applied a large group of patches yesterday and rebooted the server over night and the NAT (Network Address Translation) has stopped working. I tried reinstalling the nat-0.0.3-1.k12ltsp.1.3.1.noarch.rpm package to see if that would fix the problem, but it did not. Any ideas on where I should look for the problem? Here is the lengthy list of the packages that I upgraded yesterday. Any help would be much appreciated as my fat client users are clamoring for the internet: >> >> >> >> > > From robark at telus.net Sat Jan 8 20:18:41 2005 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 12:18:41 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Server vulnerable to attack In-Reply-To: References: <41DF79FD.2030202@telus.net> Message-ID: <41E04021.6030203@telus.net> Eric Harrison wrote: > > Try this out. > > Edit /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions > > Right towards the top you should see this: > > # initiate sound configs > if [ -f /etc/profile.d/ltsp-esound.sh ] > then > . /etc/profile.d/ltsp-esound.sh > fi > > Change this to: > > # load profile > if [ -f /etc/profile ] > then > . /etc/profile > fi > > > I *think* that will do the trick. Let us know if it works or not. > If it works I should update the icewm packages... > Thanks Eric. If I understand it properly, only the sound script was loading but your modificaton should load all the scripts in /etc/profile.d I will try it out first thing Monday and let you know if it worked. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V219 From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Sun Jan 9 05:05:10 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 23:05:10 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Server vulnerable to attack In-Reply-To: <41DF79FD.2030202@telus.net> References: <41DF79FD.2030202@telus.net> Message-ID: <09CED2A1-61FC-11D9-BB6C-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 You might want to try editing /etc/security/limits.conf On Jan 8, 2005, at 12:13 AM, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > My server is vulnerable to attack. Any student can write a tiny > program to allocate a ridiculously huge amount of memory. The server > basically runs out of memory. The ulimit.sh script in the wiki works > to prevent this situation under gnome but it fails to work for IceWM. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkHgu4YACgkQfqZR3ThMfXTVfACfQZUUh5go5np2Z7z1Gbzwa4TH GVEAn0I45AyvE231F3i/7K3iXcvaXuP6 =jMpS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Jan 10 05:15:19 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 21:15:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] FC3 SELinux fixes for squidGuard Message-ID: Hey folks, A couple of people have reported that squidGuard does not work properly with a default K12LTSP 4.2.0 install. I have two different fixes for this, a experiemental one and one that reduces security a little bit. If you don't want to be experimented upon, you can turn off SELinux for just squid. Run system-config-securitylevel, select the SELinux tab, select SELinux Service Protection, and then check Disable SELinux protection for squid daemon. SquidGuard will now work, but squid & squidGuard won't be protected by SELinux. If you are feeling brave, I built squidGuard packages that try to patch-up the SELinux policies. The jury is still out on whether or not it is a good fix, but it does seem to work so I thought I'd upload it so others could eyeball it as well. What I did was: 1) require the selinux-policy-targeted-sources package 2) extend the squid policy source by adding the following two files: /etc/selinux/targeted/src/policy/domains/program/squidguard.te /etc/selinux/targeted/src/policy/file_contexts/program/squidguard.fc 3) in the post-install portion of the squidGuard rpm: a) /var/squidGuard and /var/log/squidGuard are labled b) the policy is rebuilt and reloaded If you want to be a guinea pig, you can grab the test package at: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/ -Eric From sudev at mantraonline.com Mon Jan 10 05:24:07 2005 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:54:07 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] CDROM mount question Message-ID: <1105334647.1357.4.camel@server.ltsp> When a CDROM is mounted on the server a screen pops up on all users desktop. How can we change the behaviour so that the CDROM is mounted but nautilus pop us does not happen till user presses on the CDROM icon? And relatedly how to allow all users to mount / unmount CDROM at the server as needed? -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Mon Jan 10 05:55:55 2005 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 21:55:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] CDROM mount question In-Reply-To: <1105334647.1357.4.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1105334647.1357.4.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <40486.24.20.16.226.1105336555.squirrel@webmail.parkrose.k12.or.us> Sudev Barar said: > When a CDROM is mounted on the server a screen pops up on all users > desktop. How can we change the behaviour so that the CDROM is mounted > but nautilus pop us does not happen till user presses on the CDROM icon? Something like this, as root: # gconftool-2 --direct --config-source \ > xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults --set \ > "/desktop/gnome/volume_manager/autobrowse" --type bool "false" -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From mellax at pm.ee Mon Jan 10 13:15:28 2005 From: mellax at pm.ee (mella) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 15:15:28 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] mozilla-j2re and yum In-Reply-To: <20050105134035.2CE2A735F7@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050105134035.2CE2A735F7@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <41E27FF0.1080206@pm.ee> >From: Les Mikesell >Where is that from? I just ran /usr/sbin/get.java (from the "install additional software" folder on root's desktop) and it updates correctly. Ok. I do get.java an I get: j2re-plugin-1.5.0-k12ltsp jre-1.5.0-fcs.i586.rpm Now I have: *j2re-1.4.2-11.1.fc3.rf j2re-plugin-1.5.0-k12ltsp.0.4.1 jre-1.5.0-fcs and if I try "yum update" I get: Error: missing dep: /usr/java/jre1.5.0/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so for pkg j2re-plugin * From trondrm at online.no Mon Jan 10 12:54:41 2005 From: trondrm at online.no (Trond =?iso-8859-1?q?M=E6hlum?=) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:54:41 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound continued... In-Reply-To: References: <010720051549.9475.41DEAF7C000BF5AA0000250322070029539C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> <200501071940.20861.trondrm@online.no> Message-ID: <200501101354.41187.trondrm@online.no> > > It seems to me that most success stories with sound comes from > > using nasd. I know that in Norwegian Skolelinux (Debian Woody) it > > works with nasd, but it requires libaudiooss to use oss as the > > sound server with nasd. > > > > I have found libaudiooss and downloaded it, but make fails. Is > > there an rpm somewhere? > > libaduiooss should already be installed, it is part of the > ltsp_esound_server package. > > $ locate libaudiooss > /lib/libaudiooss.so.1 > /lib/libaudiooss.so.1.0 Yes they were installed. Looking through the howto's for Skolelinux, it seems to me that with libaudiooss should be used as the sound system with nasd. In Skolelinux the howto instructs me to edit this file: /etc/sysprofile.d/ltsp-sound.bash. I should insert this: export LD_PRELOAD="/usr/lib/audiooss/libaudiooss.so" The ltsp-sound.bash isn't in the same place in K12LTSP, Perhaps it's missing alltoghether. Is there some way of implementing this into k12ltsp, so that I can use nasd as sound system and oss in the applications? I tried to use mplayer with oss with nasd in k12ltsp, but it does not play any sound. Regards Trond M?hlum > -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Jan 10 14:50:17 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 06:50:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Sound continued... In-Reply-To: <200501101354.41187.trondrm@online.no> References: <010720051549.9475.41DEAF7C000BF5AA0000250322070029539C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> <200501071940.20861.trondrm@online.no> <200501101354.41187.trondrm@online.no> Message-ID: On Mon, 10 Jan 2005, Trond [iso-8859-1] M?hlum wrote: >>> It seems to me that most success stories with sound comes from >>> using nasd. I know that in Norwegian Skolelinux (Debian Woody) it >>> works with nasd, but it requires libaudiooss to use oss as the >>> sound server with nasd. >>> >>> I have found libaudiooss and downloaded it, but make fails. Is >>> there an rpm somewhere? >> >> libaduiooss should already be installed, it is part of the >> ltsp_esound_server package. >> >> $ locate libaudiooss >> /lib/libaudiooss.so.1 >> /lib/libaudiooss.so.1.0 > > Yes they were installed. Looking through the howto's for Skolelinux, it > seems to me that with libaudiooss should be used as the sound system > with nasd. > > In Skolelinux the howto instructs me to edit this file: > > /etc/sysprofile.d/ltsp-sound.bash. > > I should insert this: > > export LD_PRELOAD="/usr/lib/audiooss/libaudiooss.so" > > > The ltsp-sound.bash isn't in the same place in K12LTSP, Perhaps it's > missing alltoghether. Is there some way of implementing this into > k12ltsp, so that I can use nasd as sound system and oss in the > applications? > > I tried to use mplayer with oss with nasd in k12ltsp, but it does not > play any sound. It is in a different place in K12LTSP: /etc/profile.d/ltsp-esound.sh libaudiooss.so is only preloaded if SOUND_DAEMON=nasd is set in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf. This is the default with K12LTSP 4.x You can double-check that LD_PRELOAD is set by logging in from a terminal, opening a shell, and typing: echo $LD_PRELOAD -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Jan 10 14:52:56 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 06:52:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] mozilla-j2re and yum In-Reply-To: <41E27FF0.1080206@pm.ee> References: <20050105134035.2CE2A735F7@hormel.redhat.com> <41E27FF0.1080206@pm.ee> Message-ID: On Mon, 10 Jan 2005, mella wrote: >> From: Les Mikesell >Where is that from? I just ran /usr/sbin/get.java (from > the "install additional software" folder on root's desktop) and it updates > correctly. Ok. I do get.java an I get: j2re-plugin-1.5.0-k12ltsp > jre-1.5.0-fcs.i586.rpm Now I have: *j2re-1.4.2-11.1.fc3.rf > j2re-plugin-1.5.0-k12ltsp.0.4.1 jre-1.5.0-fcs and if I try "yum update" I get: > Error: missing dep: /usr/java/jre1.5.0/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so > for pkg j2re-plugin * mozilla-j2re is a third-party package that conflicts with the K12LTSP packages. You probably installed a third-party Java runtime as well (likely named j2re or jre). If you want to use the stock K12LTSP packages, you should first remove the third-party j2re and mozilla-j2re packages. -Eric From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Jan 10 17:07:28 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 12:07:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound continued... In-Reply-To: References: <010720051549.9475.41DEAF7C000BF5AA0000250322070029539C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> < > <200501071940.20861.trondrm@online.no> < > < > <200501101354.41187.trondrm@online.no> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, January 10, 2005 at 9:50 AM +0000 wrote: >It is in a different place in K12LTSP: /etc/profile.d/ltsp-esound.sh > >libaudiooss.so is only preloaded if SOUND_DAEMON=nasd is set in >/opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf. This is the default with K12LTSP 4.x > >You can double-check that LD_PRELOAD is set by logging in from a >terminal, opening a shell, and typing: > > echo $LD_PRELOAD Eric, I ran this command and nothing came back....it was blank....I'm running IceWM with nasd on 4.1 any ideas? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Mon Jan 10 17:29:50 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 09:29:50 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP demonstration in Salt Lake City, UT / Update Message-ID: I've been invited by a small group of schools to demonatrate K12LTSP this Wednesday evening in Sandy (Salt Lake area), Utah. Anyone who is interested is welcome to contact me and attend. I'll also be attending a Symbio Technologies seminar next week in New York, and could arrange demonstrations in that area with enough notice. We've now completed our second full school installation, selling the installation and hardware as a "business." This last one we ended up using wireless gateways because of wiring difficulties in an old building. It seems to be working well, thanks to some tips from Gideon Romm at Symbio Technologies. We are also selling a K12LTSP "starter" server for those who are interested in implementing K12LTSP, but don't want to start from scratch. Dual Xeon 2.2 GHz, 2GB RAM (upgradable, will support 20 users in this config), four hours of telephone tech support from our staff to help set up, and two additional hours of support from DisklessWorkstations included. $2950. I remain anxious to find ways to bring this great technology to more schools, and to contribute back to those who have worked so hard to develop and maintain it. Your comments or advice are welcome. Steve -- Steve Hargadon 916-652-8600 ext. 711 From ramonklown at pop.com.br Mon Jan 10 17:22:25 2005 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 15:22:25 -0200 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] block same login on server Message-ID: <3669.200.165.120.48.1105377745.squirrel@popmail1.pop.com.br> Is there anyway to block repeated logins (it is also a security concern). like: 192.168.0.233 - user1 192.168.0.234 - user1 Thanks, Ramon From ramonklown at pop.com.br Mon Jan 10 17:26:38 2005 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 15:26:38 -0200 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] openmosix helpout? Message-ID: <4075.200.165.120.48.1105377998.squirrel@popmail1.pop.com.br> Hi, I did the following "make dep" everything ok, then I did make bzImage and here's what I get: /usr/src/linux-2.4.26/include/net/sock.h:1067: warning: use of compound expressions as lvalues is deprecated /usr/src/linux-2.4.26/include/net/sock.h:1071: warning: use of compound expressions as lvalues is deprecated comm.c: In function `comm_free': comm.c:767: error: label at end of compound statement make[2]: ** [comm.o] Erro 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.26/hpc' make[1]: ** [first_rule] Erro 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.26/hpc' make: ** [_dir_hpc] Erro 2 Got the same error with make modules, do I have to make a hpc directory?? Peace From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Mon Jan 10 22:23:47 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:23:47 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.2.0 beta #7 & a new mirror In-Reply-To: <9326098004121401437d6e1f58@mail.gmail.com> References: <9326098004121401437d6e1f58@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Jay: I'm working on selling K12LTSP installations, servers, and workstations as a commercial business. So far, we've installed in two schools, and I think both would be open to follow-ups for the purpose of any studies. In fact, there are some commonalities with those who have expressed interest in K12 installations: 1. Private or charter schools almost exclusively 2. A willingness to be seen on the "cutting edge" It's the second that makes me think they would enjoy participating in any studies. Let me know what I can do. On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 04:43:01 -0500, Jay Pfaffman wrote: > On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 18:45:30 -0800 (PST), Eric Harrison > wrote: > > > The University of Kentucky was kind enough to donate significant > > bandwidth & disk space. > > As the one who cajoled folks here at UTK.edu to set up an account for > Eric, I'd like to point out that utk.edu is the University of > TENNESSEE in Knoxville. :-) > > Having K12LTSP updates on my LAN is a nice benefit, but I wouldn't > mind if folks who use K12LTSP and are considering getting a degree in > instructional technology knew that Tennessee was a place to consider > when looking at schools. I'm looking for ways to advocate for Open > Source Software in schools and places to do studies of how it improves > teaching and learning and changes the way that teachers and students > use computers in schools. > > > http://sunsite.utk.edu/ftp/pub/linux/k12ltsp/ > > ftp://sunsite.utk.edu/pub/linux/k12ltsp/ > > -- > Jay Pfaffman > Asst Professor of Instructional Technology, U. TN, Knoxville > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Steve Hargadon 916-652-8600 ext. 711 From morenstein at alum.mit.edu Mon Jan 10 22:17:18 2005 From: morenstein at alum.mit.edu (Mark Orenstein) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 17:17:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.2.0 Samba Yum Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200501102250.j0AModFl008689@mx1.redhat.com> I just did a test build of a samba server using the K12LTSP 4.2.0 CD's. The samba rpm on the CD's creates a /var/cache/samba directory to save tdb and dat information whereas the Fedora Core 3 samba rpm on the samba.org site creates a /var/lib/samba directory. If I uninstall samba and reinstall from the samba.org rpm, will I have any later problems with yum updates? Mark Orenstein East Granby, CT School System From server at benmay.org Mon Jan 10 11:28:52 2005 From: server at benmay.org (Ben May) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 21:28:52 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Installing Java Anyone? Message-ID: <41E266F4.20903@benmay.org> hi everyone, I am at the stage where i need to install java on my machines for various websites to work, After trying this it is showing to be quite difficult. Has anyone done this before? whay should i download and how should i install? Thanks,, Ben May From dhuckaby at paasda.org Mon Jan 10 23:38:53 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 15:38:53 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Installing Java Anyone? In-Reply-To: <41E266F4.20903@benmay.org> References: <41E266F4.20903@benmay.org> Message-ID: <41E3120D.1040705@paasda.org> using K12LTSP? On the desktop when you login as root there is a folder called "Install additional software". I opened this folder and double-clicked on the 'Get Java' icon and the rest was handled for me. Not sure if that really helps much but worked for me. --Huck Ben May wrote: > hi everyone, > I am at the stage where i need to install java on my machines for > various websites to work, > After trying this it is showing to be quite difficult. Has anyone done > this before? whay should i download and how should i install? > Thanks,, > > Ben May > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From server at benmay.org Mon Jan 10 11:44:53 2005 From: server at benmay.org (Ben May) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 21:44:53 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Installing Java Anyone? In-Reply-To: <41E3120D.1040705@paasda.org> References: <41E266F4.20903@benmay.org> <41E3120D.1040705@paasda.org> Message-ID: <41E26AB5.7020600@benmay.org> and here i was going to do it alot harder than that :~) Thanks Huck Ben Huck wrote: > using K12LTSP? > On the desktop when you login as root there is a folder called > "Install additional software". > I opened this folder and double-clicked on the 'Get Java' icon and the > rest was handled for me. > > Not sure if that really helps much but worked for me. > > --Huck > > Ben May wrote: > >> hi everyone, >> I am at the stage where i need to install java on my machines for >> various websites to work, >> After trying this it is showing to be quite difficult. Has anyone >> done this before? whay should i download and how should i install? >> Thanks,, >> >> Ben May >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Mon Jan 10 23:49:41 2005 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 15:49:41 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.2.0 Samba Yum Question In-Reply-To: <200501102250.j0AModFl008689@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200501102250.j0AModFl008689@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1105400981.27798.22.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> On Mon, 2005-01-10 at 17:17 -0500, Mark Orenstein wrote: > If I uninstall samba and reinstall from the samba.org rpm, will I have any > later problems with yum updates? Probably, if a Fedora update ever supersedes your samba.org RPM. The samba.org one is monolithic, IIRC, whereas the Fedora one splits into samba, samba-common, -client, -swat, etc, causing a conflict that rpm can't resolve if you try to upgrade from one to the other. You could add an exclusion for samba to your yum.conf. Any reason for using the samba.org RPM instead of the Fedora supplied version? 3.0.10 is current and available for FC3/K12LTSP4.2.0 via the Fedora updates yum repository. Seems like someone is getting into this jam fairly frequently, using 3rd party RPMs. Caveat emptor, if you're using something that isn't from Fedora or the forthcoming Fedora Extras, particularly where it overlaps w/ existing packaged software. -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Jan 11 00:48:36 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 19:48:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Installing Java Anyone? In-Reply-To: <41E26AB5.7020600@benmay.org> References: <41E266F4.20903@benmay.org> <41E3120D.1040705@paasda.org> <41E26AB5.7020600@benmay.org> Message-ID: <41E32264.9020000@cmosnetworks.com> Well, there is the harder way, which I'll describe here for completeness, in case you ever need to manually upgrade your JVM. I've done it this way tens of times, and the benefit is that this basic method is transferable even to HP-USux and Slowaris. Head on over to http://java.sun.com. Agree to their non-Free license (sorry, no more sainthood in the Church of Emacs) and download their package; I always download the generic .bin for any GNU/Linux distro. I find it much easier that way. Make thyself root, make sure the execute bit's on (chmod +x NameOfTheJVM), and execute it. It'll ask you a few questions; the defaults are safe to take. Once you're done, then head into the /usr/j2re1.4.2/plugin/ns610-gcc32 (this is for Sun's JRE v1.4.2), and you'll see a file called libjavaplugin_oji.so. Symlink this file to the /usr/local/mozilla/plugins directory; this, of course, assumes that you have Mozilla installed in /usr/local/mozilla. For Firefox, you'd symlink to /usr/local/firefox/plugins--again, assuming that this is where you installed Firefox. BTW, for the new JRE 1.5, the directory name would be /usr/jre1.5.0_01/plugin/i386/ns7 to find libjavaplugin_oji.so. In either case, make sure you're doing this with the GCC32-compiled plugin, if you're using Mozilla 1.4 or later--or any version at all of Firefox. The other one, the GCC29-compiled one, is needed for Moz 1.2 and really musty versions of Netscape (6.0 and previous, I think). It won't work at all on any version of Firefox (maybe Phoenix v0.4? :-) ). Also note that your symlink can be whatever your little heart desires. I actually have two JRE versions symlinked due to apps like Cisco(No)Works 2000 that need a specific JVM. I name the symlinks appropriately so I can tell at a glance what they are. Here's my /usr/local/firefox/plugins directory. Note that they may be wrapped due to email line length restrictions. terrell at linux:/usr/local/firefox/plugins> ls -l total 20 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 59 2004-11-16 10:55 libjavaplugin-jre142_oji.so -> /usr/j2re1.4.2/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 53 2004-12-29 14:25 libjavaplugin-jre5001_oji.so -> /usr/jre1.5.0_01/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 18840 2004-11-07 13:27 libnullplugin.so terrell at linux:/usr/local/firefox/plugins> Now, to actually activate the JVM plugins: Have folks close completely out of Mozilla or Firefox, whichever browser onto which you bestowed the symlink above, and restart said browser. In the URL field, type "about:plugins", and you should see your shiny new JVM listed. HTH, --TP Ben May wrote: > and here i was going to do it alot harder than that :~) > Thanks Huck > > Ben > > Huck wrote: > >> using K12LTSP? >> On the desktop when you login as root there is a folder called >> "Install additional software". >> I opened this folder and double-clicked on the 'Get Java' icon and >> the rest was handled for me. >> >> Not sure if that really helps much but worked for me. >> >> --Huck >> >> Ben May wrote: >> >>> hi everyone, >>> I am at the stage where i need to install java on my machines for >>> various websites to work, >>> After trying this it is showing to be quite difficult. Has anyone >>> done this before? whay should i download and how should i install? >>> Thanks,, >>> >>> Ben May >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Jan 11 01:53:31 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:53:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] block same login on server In-Reply-To: <3669.200.165.120.48.1105377745.squirrel@popmail1.pop.com.br> References: <3669.200.165.120.48.1105377745.squirrel@popmail1.pop.com.br> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, January 10, 2005 at 12:22 PM +0000 wrote: >Is there anyway to block repeated logins (it is also a security concern). > >like: 192.168.0.233 - user1 > 192.168.0.234 - user1 You mean you don't want the same user to log in to two workstations? Or two people to use the same log in at once? This is already in place in K12LTSP....just go to.../opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux and look at the scripts...all sorts of nice ones there....run the gdm-kdm-purge-user.sh script. Now go to /etc/sysconfig/k12ltsp and set the the key "PURGE_PROCESSES=YES". That's it! You may need to reboot or at least restart gdm or kdm. Works great...if a user is logged in somewhere else and he tries to log in on a workstation...it kills both sessions....then they can log in regularly. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Jan 11 01:53:31 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:53:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] block same login on server In-Reply-To: <3669.200.165.120.48.1105377745.squirrel@popmail1.pop.com.br> References: <3669.200.165.120.48.1105377745.squirrel@popmail1.pop.com.br> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, January 10, 2005 at 12:22 PM +0000 wrote: >Is there anyway to block repeated logins (it is also a security concern). > >like: 192.168.0.233 - user1 > 192.168.0.234 - user1 You mean you don't want the same user to log in to two workstations? Or two people to use the same log in at once? This is already in place in K12LTSP....just go to.../opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux and look at the scripts...all sorts of nice ones there....run the gdm-kdm-purge-user.sh script. Now go to /etc/sysconfig/k12ltsp and set the the key "PURGE_PROCESSES=YES". That's it! You may need to reboot or at least restart gdm or kdm. Works great...if a user is logged in somewhere else and he tries to log in on a workstation...it kills both sessions....then they can log in regularly. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From cliebow at downeast.net Tue Jan 11 01:47:19 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 01:47:19 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Installing Java Anyone? Message-ID: <200501110051.j0B0pu427086@downeast.net> really a piece of cake get j2re 1.4.2 or 1.5.0 install, then i usually put the whole folder in /usr/java..depending on your browser you burrow into the java folder and find libjavaplubin.so which is in a plugins folder..Make a simlink to the plugin folder of your browser ( iuse konqueror to do so) you might have a couple choices depending on your distros gcc ..Should just work after that..chuck > hi everyone,e whole folder in /usr/java > I am at the stage where i ner on your distro"s gcced to install java on my machines for > various websites to work, > After trying this it is showing to be quite difficult. Has anyone done > this before? whay should i download and how should i install? > Thanks,, > > Ben May > et 2re > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From scott at hosef.org Tue Jan 11 01:53:50 2005 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 15:53:50 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP sits at the Grown-Up Table Message-ID: <41E331AE.20908@hosef.org> Starting this weekend we will be showing the world, sort of, just how ready the LTSP, as packaged in the form of the K12LTSP, is for enterprise computing. You see, in organizing our fundraiser disguised as a conference http://www.tposscon.com I approached a venerable organization, the PTC, about promoting us. As it turns out, they really wanted to use Linux for the Email Garden this year. As a result, they have provide our volunteer group Sponsorship status for providing 30 clients. We pay nothing, we make nothing, but the PR seems special. The kind of people who will be using them are http://www.ptc.org/PTC05/sponsor/sponsor_list.html Admittedly this is not the audience we all care about with respect to improving education. However, the awareness and the resources must come from somewhere, and we intend to plant seeds of change with the delegates. If one of these companies is from your state, perhaps this can ultimately lead to support of your respective community as they better appreciate the "value proposition" of Linux, OSS, and thin-client computing. I of course invited Jim and Eric and Warren (fedora), but schedules do not permit. We will be printing out flyers, though, and I am eager to voice our collective words, if possible. Using the K12ltsp and the LTSP logos, does anyone care to take a crack at creating a page for the flyer that would effectively communicate what we are all doing with Linux? Technically speaking, we will be using 4.1.1. The list's own Steve Hargadon is loaning us the server to add redundancy to the loaned Sun amd64 box we have. To Do 1. Each computer will auto login. 2. Each computer will have reduced icons 3. Each computer will have a web browser icon on the desktop, and we will set the default page to their Outlook Exchange Server. 4. We need to have some logos randomly appear as screen savers. Is there any reason to believe, once I get started on these tweaks, that we will have trouble doing this with 4.1.1? Has anyone done this that will help? I am starting with this information http://www.brlug.net/pipermail/ltsp_brlug.net/2004-October/000014.html http://www.litwiller.net/kiosk_browser/ http://k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/GDMKiosKMode http://k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/AutoLogin Your suggestions and help are needed. I am at your service in making this meaningful for all of us. aloha --scott -- R. Scott Belford Founder/Director The Hawaii Open Source Education Foundation PO Box 392 Kailua, HI 96734 808.689.6518 phone/fax scott at hosef.org From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Tue Jan 11 02:06:56 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 21:06:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Java issue here too (k12 4.1.1) Message-ID: <1105409216.6230.444.camel@localhost.localdomain> We have a 4.1.1 k12 server that I installed firefox on. Went back to Mozilla and now sites with java crash mozilla. I have done the following yum remove firefox yum remove j2re* yum remove mozilla reinstalled mozilla and j2re and j2re-plugin via yum I looked at the sym links and all appear to be correct [root at thomas plugins]# ls -l libjavaplugin_oji.so lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 67 Jan 10 20:40 libjavaplugin_oji.so -> /usr/java/j2re1.4.2_05/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so and I have compared this server to another and everything looks the same. Obviously it's not :-\ but darn if I can see it. I'll try the script in Install Additional Software dir but I'm looking at the get.java script it refers to and it seems that yum install should work what am I overlooking here? Thanks, John From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Jan 11 02:34:26 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 21:34:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Java issue here too (k12 4.1.1) In-Reply-To: <1105409216.6230.444.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1105409216.6230.444.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <41E33B32.4000605@cmosnetworks.com> What version of Mozilla? I have no problems and am using 1.7.3. Also, does Firefox crash on these same WWW sites? --TP John Baillie wrote: >We have a 4.1.1 k12 server that I installed firefox on. Went back to >Mozilla and now sites with java crash mozilla. > >I have done the following >yum remove firefox >yum remove j2re* >yum remove mozilla > >reinstalled mozilla and j2re and j2re-plugin via yum > >I looked at the sym links and all appear to be correct > >[root at thomas plugins]# ls -l libjavaplugin_oji.so >lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 67 Jan 10 20:40 libjavaplugin_oji.so -> >/usr/java/j2re1.4.2_05/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so > >and I have compared this server to another and everything looks the >same. Obviously it's not :-\ but darn if I can see it. I'll try the >script in Install Additional Software dir but I'm looking at the >get.java script it refers to and it seems that yum install should work >what am I overlooking here? > >Thanks, >John > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Tue Jan 11 02:51:49 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 21:51:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Expansion Report Message-ID: <1105411908.6230.490.camel@localhost.localdomain> Well I retired 21 Win 98 machines and now in addition to the LAB three classrooms are K12LTSP. Everyone is lovin it :-) The weak link in our expansion is the Windows 2003 Terminal server. I had hoped it (Dell PowerEdge 2500 with dual PIII 933's, 3.5 gig ram) would have scaled better. 35 concurrent users running StarReader is about the limit if we launch the app without running the windows desktop. Both CPUs at 100% I had some issues upgrading and/or installing k12ltsp-4.2 on all three or our servers. Something to do with Masquerading and "Rusty's Brain being Broke" I was short of time so I went back to 4.1 which is just fine. I've never had any issues with 4.2 right through all the betas on my two test servers at home. I'm thinking a kernel / hardware issue or maybe something to do with SEL. John PS. If you are interested here is a snip-it from the log file after bringing the network services down and back up. Jan 2 10:47:37 wilborada network: Bringing up interface eth0: succeeded Jan 2 10:47:37 wilborada ifup: Jan 2 10:47:37 wilborada ifup: Determining IP information for eth1... Jan 2 10:47:37 wilborada kernel: MASQUERADE: No route: Rusty's brain broke! Jan 2 10:47:39 wilborada kernel: tg3: eth1: Link is up at 100 Mbps, full duplex. Jan 2 10:47:39 wilborada kernel: tg3: eth1: Flow control is on for TX and on for RX. Jan 2 10:47:39 wilborada dhclient: sit0: unknown hardware address type 776 Jan 2 10:47:40 wilborada dhclient: sit0: unknown hardware address type 776 Jan 2 10:47:44 wilborada dhclient: DHCPREQUEST on eth1 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 Jan 2 10:47:44 wilborada dhclient: DHCPACK from 192.168.1.1 Jan 2 10:47:44 wilborada NET: /sbin/dhclient-script : updated /etc/resolv.conf Jan 2 10:47:44 wilborada dhclient: bound to 192.168.1.25 -- renewal in 1366 seconds. Jan 2 10:47:44 wilborada ifup: done. Jan 2 10:47:44 wilborada network: Bringing up interface eth1: succeeded Jan 2 10:47:44 wilborada kernel: eth2: -- ERROR -- Jan 2 10:47:44 wilborada kernel: Class: internal Software error Jan 2 10:47:44 wilborada kernel: Nr: 0x2bd Jan 2 10:47:44 wilborada kernel: Msg: TWSI: transfer does not complete Jan 2 10:47:46 wilborada network: Bringing up interface eth2: succeeded Jan 2 10:47:56 wilborada dhcpd: receive_packet failed on eth0: Network is down Jan 2 10:47:56 wilborada network: Shutting down interface eth0: succeeded Jan 2 10:47:56 wilborada network: Shutting down interface eth1: succeeded Jan 2 10:47:56 wilborada kernel: eth2: network connection down Jan 2 10:47:56 wilborada network: Shutting down interface eth2: succeeded Jan 2 10:47:56 wilborada network: Shutting down loopback interface: succeeded Jan 2 10:47:56 wilborada sysctl: net.ipv4.ip_forward = 0 Jan 2 10:47:56 wilborada sysctl: net.ipv4.conf.default.rp_filter = 1 Jan 2 10:47:56 wilborada sysctl: kernel.sysrq = 0 Jan 2 10:47:56 wilborada sysctl: kernel.core_uses_pid = 1 Jan 2 10:47:56 wilborada sysctl: fs.file-max = 184328 Jan 2 10:47:56 wilborada sysctl: fs.file-max = 218303 Jan 2 10:47:56 wilborada network: Setting network parameters: succeeded Jan 2 10:47:57 wilborada kernel: Disabled Privacy Extensions on device 0232af00(lo) Jan 2 10:47:57 wilborada network: Bringing up loopback interface: succeeded Jan 2 10:47:59 wilborada network: Bringing up interface eth0: succeeded Jan 2 10:47:59 wilborada ifup: Jan 2 10:47:59 wilborada ifup: Determining IP information for eth1... Jan 2 10:47:59 wilborada kernel: MASQUERADE: No route: Rusty's brain broke! Jan 2 10:48:01 wilborada kernel: tg3: eth1: Link is up at 100 Mbps, full duplex. From robark at telus.net Tue Jan 11 03:13:17 2005 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 19:13:17 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Server vulnerable to attack In-Reply-To: References: <41DF79FD.2030202@telus.net> Message-ID: <41E3444D.4010101@telus.net> Eric Harrison wrote: > > Try this out. > > Edit /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions > > Right towards the top you should see this: > > # initiate sound configs > if [ -f /etc/profile.d/ltsp-esound.sh ] > then > . /etc/profile.d/ltsp-esound.sh > fi > > Change this to: > > # load profile > if [ -f /etc/profile ] > then > . /etc/profile > fi > > > I *think* that will do the trick. Let us know if it works or not. > If it works I should update the icewm packages... It worked Eric. Thank you very much. I checked to see that aumix still worked too. BTW I did not edit /etc/security/limits.conf as some suggested. I may play with that later. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V219 From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Tue Jan 11 03:29:12 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 22:29:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Java issue here too (k12 4.1.1) Message-ID: <1105414152.6230.527.camel@localhost.localdomain> This what's driving me buggy Terrell It is mozilla 1.7.3 it works fine on our other two servers and all looks to be the same. I backed off from Firefox because the rpm was still pre 1.0. I did a test upgrade on this server to firefox 1.0 via the mozilla installer at mozilla.org but then I ran into a time issue with getting firefox to be setup the way 1.7.3 was before Christmas vacation. With Mozilla I have changed the default start up "splash" page, default home page and added short cuts to the Personal Tool Bar. I needed the upgrade to firefox to be as transparent as possible. I've got one teacher that has added a Java menu to her website and she is very proud of it. She is coming into the Lab tomorrow and I sure would like to be able to give her students access to it in the other half of the Lab. I'm ssh'd into the server at the moment and everything looks on the up and up. A year or so ago a LUG member set up a vnc connection to the school for me and access to the gui. Wish I still had that set up so I could test changes to such things from home. John "Terrell Prud??, Jr." Wrote: What version of Mozilla? I have no problems and am using 1.7.3. Also, does Firefox crash on these same WWW sites? --TP John Baillie wrote: We have a 4.1.1 k12 server that I installed firefox on. Went back to Mozilla and now sites with java crash mozilla. I have done the following yum remove firefox yum remove j2re* yum remove mozilla reinstalled mozilla and j2re and j2re-plugin via yum I looked at the sym links and all appear to be correct [root thomas plugins]# ls -l libjavaplugin_oji.so lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 67 Jan 10 20:40 libjavaplugin_oji.so -> /usr/java/j2re1.4.2_05/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so and I have compared this server to another and everything looks the same. Obviously it's not :-\ but darn if I can see it. I'll try the script in Install Additional Software dir but I'm looking at the get.java script it refers to and it seems that yum install should work what am I overlooking here? Thanks, John From daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se Tue Jan 11 10:49:22 2005 From: daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se (Daniel Hedblom) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:49:22 +0100 (CET) Subject: [K12OSN] Can you upgrade from k124.0.1 to 4.2 and if so how? Message-ID: <58527.194.103.3.2.1105440562.squirrel@194.103.3.2> Does anyone of you know of a good way to upgrade from 4.0.1 to 4.2? Is it a shaky way to do this by yum or apt-get, anyone who have done that? /daniel -- ------Disclaimer----- The expressions in this mail are my own. Daniel Hedblom Network Admin Mobile +46 70-383 72 44 Nipan School District Work +46 620-68 26 38 Sweden From daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se Tue Jan 11 10:59:02 2005 From: daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se (Daniel Hedblom) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:59:02 +0100 (CET) Subject: [K12OSN] Java issue here too (k12 4.1.1) In-Reply-To: <1105409216.6230.444.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1105409216.6230.444.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <64997.194.103.3.2.1105441142.squirrel@194.103.3.2> Hi! I had this problem on Fedora Core 3 and solved it by installing Sun Java 1.5.0 instead. It works flawlessly, something i cant say about either dags packages or any others i tried. I think its something you should try. Just remove the java installed first. Also, dont forget to make a symlink from the javaplugin to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ Link to d/l java 1.5.0 http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp /daniel > We have a 4.1.1 k12 server that I installed firefox on. Went back to > Mozilla and now sites with java crash mozilla. > > I have done the following > yum remove firefox > yum remove j2re* > yum remove mozilla > > reinstalled mozilla and j2re and j2re-plugin via yum > > I looked at the sym links and all appear to be correct > > [root at thomas plugins]# ls -l libjavaplugin_oji.so > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 67 Jan 10 20:40 libjavaplugin_oji.so -> > /usr/java/j2re1.4.2_05/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so > > and I have compared this server to another and everything looks the > same. Obviously it's not :-\ but darn if I can see it. I'll try the > script in Install Additional Software dir but I'm looking at the > get.java script it refers to and it seems that yum install should work > what am I overlooking here? > > Thanks, > John > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- ------Disclaimer----- The expressions in this mail are my own. Daniel Hedblom Network Admin Mobile +46 70-383 72 44 Nipan School District Work +46 620-68 26 38 Sweden From robowens at myway.com Tue Jan 11 11:28:18 2005 From: robowens at myway.com (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 06:28:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Mozilla hangs on Flash-enabled sites! Message-ID: <20050111112818.B94AA395E@mprdmxin.myway.com> What are those "orbit" directories for, anyway? and which applications use them? I notice that when I do a tar backup, I get an output saying "orbit .... socket was ignored" many, many times. -Rob --- On Fri 01/07, Dave Prentice < prentice at instruction.com > wrote: From: Dave Prentice [mailto: prentice at instruction.com] To: k12osn at redhat.com Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 19:35:09 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Mozilla hangs on Flash-enabled sites! Have you tried going to /tmp and deleting the contents of all the
orbit-XXX directories? I've had weird problems that disappeared after
doing that.
Dave Prentice
prentice at instruction.com

>Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 14:11:46 +0000
>From: dahopkins at comcast.net
>Subject: [K12OSN] Mozilla hangs on Flash-enabled sites!
>Over the Holidays, I upgraded my RH9 K12LTSP to LTSP 4.1. Since
then I have had numerous issues including users not able to log out
(gdm issue, but I have latest gdm rpm), accounts locking, screen
freezing, and now Mozilla hanging on flash-enabled sites. Also, some
of the thin clients will not even turn off. I have no idea what the
common thread is except for the LTSP 4.1 upgrade. At this point I
probably have no choice but to revert to LTSP 3 unless someone can
clue me in on what would cause these issues.
>Sincerely,
>Dave Hopkins




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_______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From robowens at myway.com Tue Jan 11 11:37:53 2005 From: robowens at myway.com (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 06:37:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] problem with classroom-user and animation Message-ID: <20050111113753.D38E4399A@mprdmxin.myway.com> I have a not-very-scientific answer for #1. You could label each workstation with a login and password and tell the students they must enter that information when they want to use the computer. -Rob --- On Fri 01/07, Luca Navone < lucanavo at libero.it > wrote: From: Luca Navone [mailto: lucanavo at libero.it] To: k12osn at redhat.com Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 22:42:44 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] problem with classroom-user and animation Hallo, it's the first time that I use this mailing list. I hope don't make mistakes using it! I've installed k12ltsp in the primary school informatic lab, where I teach. I meet two problems.
1) I want to use a "classroom login" not an individual login (it is not important in a primary school to have a personal login, it is most important the class work). So I've added some users as:
classe_prima_a (in english: class_first_a)
classe_prima_b
classe_seconda_a
etc.
Every time that a client make the login the server respond something of this kind: "you are already connected, do you want connected another time?"
I answer yes every time and every client display the desktop of the classroom that I wish. Perfect? No, because now start the problem: if I launch openoffice writer on pc n?1 it open a session on pc n?1 but if also pc n?2 launch openoffice writer there will be another session on pc n? 1. If also all the seven clients launch openoffice writer all the se! ssion are opened on pc n?1.
Could be a solution? It is not very easy administrate 260 or more children, and it is not useful...

2) The second problem. The animation. I am amazing because a big and fat program as openoffice or mozilla starts in few seconds (from a client) and works fine and a more simple program as tuxmath works with a slowness that make it unuseful.
I tought the problem was the hub and so I tried to connect only one client with the server with a cross-cable, but the problem was quite the same. The velocity on the client was 1/10 of the same program on the server.
Are there some tricks for make faster this kind of programs? In a primary school they are very important....

Thanks for the help!

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_______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From robowens at myway.com Tue Jan 11 12:09:31 2005 From: robowens at myway.com (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 07:09:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Java issue here too (k12 4.1.1) Message-ID: <20050111120931.8329639AA@mprdmxin.myway.com> John, If you edit sshd_config to say "X11Forwarding yes", then you can run Mozilla on the remote server via SSH and it will display on your screen at home. -Rob --- On Mon 01/10, John Baillie < jbaillie at stmarys-school.org > wrote: From: John Baillie [mailto: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org] To: k12osn at redhat.com Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 22:29:12 -0500 Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Java issue here too (k12 4.1.1)

A year or so ago a LUG member set up a vnc connection to the school for
me and access to the gui. Wish I still had that set up so I could test
changes to such things from home.

John


"Terrell Prud??, Jr." Wrote:

What version of Mozilla? I have no problems and am using 1.7.3.

Also, does Firefox crash on these same WWW sites?

--TP

John Baillie wrote:

We have a 4.1.1 k12 server that I installed firefox on. Went back to
Mozilla and now sites with java crash mozilla.
I have done the following
yum remove firefox
yum remove j2re*
yum remove mozilla
reinstalled mozilla and j2re and j2re-plugin via yum

I looked at the sym links and all appear to be correct

[root thomas plugins]# ls -l libjavaplugin_oji.so
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 67 Jan 10 20:40 libjavaplugin_oji.! so ->
/usr/java/j2re1.4.2_05/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so
and I have compared this server to another and everything looks the
same. Obviously it's not :-\ but darn if I can see it. I'll try the
script in Install Additional Software dir but I'm looking at the
get.java script it refers to and it seems that yum install should work
what am I overlooking here?
Thanks,
John

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_______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From ramonklown at pop.com.br Tue Jan 11 12:29:48 2005 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:29:48 -0200 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Can you upgrade from k124.0.1 to 4.2 and if so how? In-Reply-To: <58527.194.103.3.2.1105440562.squirrel@194.103.3.2> References: <58527.194.103.3.2.1105440562.squirrel@194.103.3.2> Message-ID: <60527.201.8.7.175.1105446588.squirrel@popmail2.pop.com.br> The last guy I heard of said he had lots of bugs to work out. So I recommended to do a fresh install. I think is because Fedora is a version based distro not a all version compatible type of OS you may think it was. Like the browser you are using now is mozilla and fedora3 uses firefox Peace > Does anyone of you know of a good way to upgrade from 4.0.1 to 4.2? Is it > a shaky way to do this by yum or apt-get, anyone who have done that? > > /daniel > > > -- > ------Disclaimer----- > The expressions in this mail are my own. > > Daniel Hedblom > Network Admin Mobile +46 70-383 72 44 > Nipan School District Work +46 620-68 26 38 > Sweden > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From ramonklown at pop.com.br Tue Jan 11 12:46:33 2005 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:46:33 -0200 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] keyboard bug Message-ID: <60783.201.8.7.175.1105447593.squirrel@popmail6.pop.com.br> There is a keyboard configuration problem after every boot. My keyboard configures to US I think and when I installed I put it in there ABTN2. OBS: I'm talking about the server. Peace, Ramon From petre at maltzen.net Tue Jan 11 14:23:23 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 08:23:23 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Java issue here too (k12 4.1.1) In-Reply-To: <20050111120931.8329639AA@mprdmxin.myway.com> References: <20050111120931.8329639AA@mprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <41E3E15B.4000105@maltzen.net> You can use ssh to create a tunnel for your vnc connection: 1. ssh -L 3700:ltspserver:5900 ssh_host_that_you_connect_to Do the above from your remote machine; that is, if you're doing this from home, run the above command on your home machine. You'll get prompted for your password and it will seem like a regular ssh session. 2. vncviewer localhost:3700 Do this also on your remote/home machine. Step 1 sets up a tunnel from port 3700 on your local machine to port 5900 on the remote machine. VNC listens on port 5900 by default, so if you're using a different port, adjust the number accordingly. When you point the vncviewer at port 3700 on the local machine, the connection is sent over ssh to port 5900 on the remote server, in this case, to the LTSP server where the vnc daemon is listening. Petre Rob Owens wrote: > John, > > If you edit sshd_config to say "X11Forwarding yes", then you can run Mozilla on the remote server via SSH and it will display on your screen at home. > > -Rob > > > --- On Mon 01/10, John Baillie < jbaillie at stmarys-school.org > wrote: > From: John Baillie [mailto: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org] > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 22:29:12 -0500 > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Java issue here too (k12 4.1.1) > >

A year or so ago a LUG member set up a vnc connection to the school for
me and access to the gui. Wish I still had that set up so I could test
changes to such things from home.

John


"Terrell Prud??, Jr." Wrote:

What version of Mozilla? I have no problems and am using 1.7.3.

Also, does Firefox crash on these same WWW sites?

--TP

John Baillie wrote:

We have a 4.1.1 k12 server that I installed firefox on. Went back to
Mozilla and now sites with java crash mozilla.
I have done the following
yum remove firefox
yum remove j2re*
yum remove mozilla
reinstalled mozilla and j2re and j2re-plugin via yum

I looked at the sym links and all appear to be correct

[root thomas plugins]# ls -l libjavaplugin_oji.so
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 67 Jan 10 20:40 libjavaplugin_oji .! > so ->
/usr/java/j2re1.4.2_05/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so
and I have compared this server to another and everything looks the
same. Obviously it's not :-\ but darn if I can see it. I'll try the
script in Install Additional Software dir but I'm looking at the
get.java script it refers to and it seems that yum install should work
what am I overlooking here?
Thanks,
John

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> > _______________________________________________ > No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. > Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jam at mcquil.com Tue Jan 11 15:21:27 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:21:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] LinuxWorld Boston - Call for Volunteers Message-ID: It's LinuxWorld time again :) On Tuesday, February 15th, we will be invading the Hynes Convention center in Boston, MA. We've got a booth lined up for LTSP in the .Org pavilion, and if you happen to be in the area at that time, and have a few hours to spare, we'd love to have you spend some time at the booth. We've done this many times before, and it's always a great adventure, and the LTSP booth has typically been one of the busiest in the whole exhibit hall. The show starts on Tuesday morning, February 15th, and goes until 4:00pm on Thursday, February 17th. The full schedule is: Tuesday, Aug 5th 10:00am - 5:00pm Wednesday, Aug 6th 10:00am - 5:00pm Thursday, Aug 7th 10:00am - 4:00pm As always, we'll have the traditional LTSP dinner, but this time, we'll be coordinating the dinner with Marty Connor (of Rom-o-matic, Etherboot, and resurrected NILO projects). Marty lives in the Boston area, and he knows all the great places to go. I'll pass on the details of the dinner, as soon as we have them confirmed. If you need passes to get into the exhibit hall, just send me an email, and I can mail them out to you. So, it's a great opportunity to meet fellow LTSP users and developers. If you are interested, and would like to be a part of the adventure, then please send an email to: volunteers at LTSP.org Thanks, Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org From jam at mcquil.com Tue Jan 11 15:32:23 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:32:23 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] LinuxWorld call for volunteers - updated Message-ID: The call for volunteers for the upcoming Linuxworld in boston had a small error in it. The full schedule for the exhibit hall is: Tuesday, Feb 15th 10:00am - 5:00pm Wednesday, Feb 16th 10:00am - 5:00pm Thursday, Feb 17th 10:00am - 4:00pm Sorry for any confusion, and I hope to see you there. The full announcement is available at http://www.ltsp.org Thanks, Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org From les at futuresource.com Tue Jan 11 15:48:37 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 09:48:37 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Java issue here too (k12 4.1.1) In-Reply-To: <41E3E15B.4000105@maltzen.net> References: <20050111120931.8329639AA@mprdmxin.myway.com> <41E3E15B.4000105@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1105458517.7452.109.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-01-11 at 08:23, Petre Scheie wrote: > You can use ssh to create a tunnel for your vnc connection: > > 1. ssh -L 3700:ltspserver:5900 ssh_host_that_you_connect_to > > Do the above from your remote machine; that is, if you're doing this from home, > run the above command on your home machine. You'll get prompted for your > password and it will seem like a regular ssh session. > > 2. vncviewer localhost:3700 Vncviewer will do the grunge work of setting up the ssh tunnel with the -via option: vncviewer -via ssh_host ltspserver -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Jan 11 16:06:45 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:06:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] acroread-plugin not working for anyone but root Message-ID: I have an issue I need help with. I wasn't aware of it, but the acrobat reader plugin is not working on our system. I installed it via the script (yum) on root's desktop when I installed the server.....I just tried to run it again...and it is installed. So...it works for root, but not for anyone else. I'm thinking it's a permissions issue, but not sure where the plugin lives. I don't see it in any of the mozilla plugins directories. Can anyone shed some light on this? I need to get it fixed....I won't sleep until I do ;-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From smithco1 at gmail.com Tue Jan 11 16:21:47 2005 From: smithco1 at gmail.com (Tim Smith) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:21:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.2.0 beta #7 & a new mirror In-Reply-To: <41BBFCE8.5050404@paalalinn.com> References: <41BBFCE8.5050404@paalalinn.com> Message-ID: <6fe545d305011108213211cb27@mail.gmail.com> I just wanted to throw in my share here... that is, if I understand the issue properly. I had problems booting off of the cd for a 4.1.1 ltsp install disk on my home test system (Dell 400SC) a few months ago. I even tried using the floppy (boot.iso) disk as supplied from the ltsp iso with still no love. That floppy was looking for some version of Red Hat, while I was using a fedora install cd. My work around was to boot off of a dos disk, navigate to the boot portion of the cd and execute. Ta da, my install started. Again, this was a few months ago, so I can't remember every step I did or every issue I had, but it was a pretty straight forward work around. I think it was something to do with the Dell's bios and not the iso's, so I hope this is a handy work around for any one else that might be having the same problems. Cheers, Tim On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 10:10:16 +0200, Olle Niit wrote: > Eric Harrison wrote: > > > > > The seventh beta build of K12LTSP 4.2.0 has been uploaded. > > > > I still have not been able to reproduce the ISO booting issue > > a few have reported. To mitigate the issue, I included a copy > > of boot.iso in with the K12LTSP ISOs. It is small, so it doesn't > > really hurt much & it can come in handy. > > I think I have seen this problem. > 4.2.0 beta5 was booted and installed correctly in 2 different computers > - Dell laptop and AMD Athlon 900 computer. > Now I tried to install it to totally new machine AMD Smptron 2600+ MSI > K3M motherboard and samsung 52x32x52x cdrw. > So no booting. I tried same type cdrw - nothing. I tried old dvdrom - > nothing. > > Now I was booting same dvd-rom with old AMD Duron 750 - it works, now I > changed dvd-rom with cdrw and it works too. So I burned boot.iso from > first setup cd and booted from it to install linux to this new machine. > > Summary: > it must be something with new BIOS. > All other hardware and software works well. > ISO's was rsynced, md5sum was ok, k3b in k12ltsp4.1.1 was used to > writing cd-s. > Older computers haven't this booting problem. > boot.iso boots ok, > win2000 boots ok, > but k12ltsp4.2.0 beta5 disk1 not a single time boots in this new computer. > > Olle Niit > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From mellax at pm.ee Tue Jan 11 16:39:26 2005 From: mellax at pm.ee (mella) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 18:39:26 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] java applets not working with FF? In-Reply-To: <20050111142358.87B6B73E98@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050111142358.87B6B73E98@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <41E4013E.5070304@pm.ee> Hi! I was testing my browsers against java with following URL: http://www.javatester.org/enabled.html And strangely new 4.2.0 seems not working with java and firefox. Also not working konqueror. (but strangely java apps all seems working). Java 1.5.0 from Sun. But if I use older testserver with k12ltsp 4.0.1 and konqueror 3.1.4-7, all seems OK. with java ver 1.4.2_02 from Sun. Firefox and mozilla also not dealing with java. http://www.javatester.org/version.html Why I get grey box with red X insted of working java applet? Am I alone? From petre at maltzen.net Tue Jan 11 16:42:24 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:42:24 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Java issue here too (k12 4.1.1) In-Reply-To: <1105458517.7452.109.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <20050111120931.8329639AA@mprdmxin.myway.com> <41E3E15B.4000105@maltzen.net> <1105458517.7452.109.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <41E401F0.7030808@maltzen.net> I think we've been down this path before, where I've suggested the ssh route and Les has pointed out the simpler and therefore more elegant vnc route.;-) I just tried the vncviewer method on my K12LTSP 3.0.1 box (the server is my desktop), but it says it doesn't recognize the -via option. What version is required for that option? Petre Les Mikesell wrote: > On Tue, 2005-01-11 at 08:23, Petre Scheie wrote: > >>You can use ssh to create a tunnel for your vnc connection: >> >>1. ssh -L 3700:ltspserver:5900 ssh_host_that_you_connect_to >> >>Do the above from your remote machine; that is, if you're doing this from home, >>run the above command on your home machine. You'll get prompted for your >>password and it will seem like a regular ssh session. >> >>2. vncviewer localhost:3700 > > > Vncviewer will do the grunge work of setting up the ssh tunnel with > the -via option: > vncviewer -via ssh_host ltspserver > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Jan 11 16:50:43 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 08:50:43 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] acroread-plugin not working for anyone but root In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41E403E3.3070202@paasda.org> I did a 'locate' and the binary is /usr/bin/acroread, check permissions there? --Huck David Trask wrote: >I have an issue I need help with. I wasn't aware of it, but the acrobat >reader plugin is not working on our system. I installed it via the script >(yum) on root's desktop when I installed the server.....I just tried to >run it again...and it is installed. So...it works for root, but not for >anyone else. I'm thinking it's a permissions issue, but not sure where >the plugin lives. I don't see it in any of the mozilla plugins >directories. Can anyone shed some light on this? I need to get it >fixed....I won't sleep until I do ;-) > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >(207)923-3100 > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From mellax at pm.ee Tue Jan 11 16:54:04 2005 From: mellax at pm.ee (mella) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 18:54:04 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba packages save problems? In-Reply-To: <20050111142358.87B6B73E98@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050111142358.87B6B73E98@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <41E404AC.3040306@pm.ee> Hi! After testing 4.2.0 a while i noticed one old problem seen on older 4.0.1. If I use regular packages from install or update, after 2..5 day period smb process, it using almost 90% of CPU and dramatically slows system down. Owner of the process is "root". An /etc/init.d/smb stop not stopping this process at firts time. If I use Samba native packages for FC3 made by Samba, there are no problems at all. Are these packages so different? I don't understand, where is a catch? From lsrpm at mts.net Tue Jan 11 17:08:37 2005 From: lsrpm at mts.net (Liam Marshall) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:08:37 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] 4.2 small issues Message-ID: <1105463317.21868.6.camel@stmaurice.mb.ca> the only problems I am having are these: 1. video refresh, when users scroll up or down quickly, the screen garbles display leaving junk from old view on new view. changing zoom or ctrl f10 fixes issue, until you scroll again. It has something to do with video, but same workstations had no such issue with 4.0.1 2. how can I let the kids access the cd on their workstations. Right now it says something to the effect that only root can do that -- Liam Marshall From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Jan 11 17:35:05 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 12:35:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] acroread-plugin not working for anyone but root In-Reply-To: <41E403E3.3070202@paasda.org> References: <41E403E3.3070202@paasda.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, January 11, 2005 at 11:50 AM +0000 wrote: >I did a 'locate' and the binary is /usr/bin/acroread, check permissions >there? that binary seems to be fine....so I'm thinking it's something else? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Jan 11 17:36:27 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 12:36:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LinuxWorld call for volunteers - updated In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Count me in for at least one of the first 2 days and maybe both....possibly all three....need to plan my trip.... David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Jan 11 17:36:27 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 12:36:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LinuxWorld call for volunteers - updated In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Count me in for at least one of the first 2 days and maybe both....possibly all three....need to plan my trip.... David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From les at futuresource.com Tue Jan 11 17:50:48 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:50:48 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] java applets not working with FF? In-Reply-To: <41E4013E.5070304@pm.ee> References: <20050111142358.87B6B73E98@hormel.redhat.com> <41E4013E.5070304@pm.ee> Message-ID: <1105465848.7452.137.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-01-11 at 10:39, mella wrote: > I was testing my browsers against java with following URL: > > http://www.javatester.org/enabled.html > > And strangely new 4.2.0 seems not working with java and firefox. Also > not working konqueror. (but strangely java apps all seems working). Java > 1.5.0 from Sun. That's interesting - that page doesn't work for me either, but Sun's test page does, both in firefox and mozilla. http://www.java.com/en/download/help/testvm.jsp -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From smithco1 at gmail.com Tue Jan 11 18:19:21 2005 From: smithco1 at gmail.com (Tim Smith) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:19:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] java applets not working with FF? In-Reply-To: <1105465848.7452.137.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <20050111142358.87B6B73E98@hormel.redhat.com> <41E4013E.5070304@pm.ee> <1105465848.7452.137.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <6fe545d305011110193fa528e6@mail.gmail.com> Interesting here as well. I tested this in XP with both Firefox and IE and both failed. Right clicking on it will provide me with a java console but not being a java coder, the messages mean nothing to me. Tim On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:50:48 -0600, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Tue, 2005-01-11 at 10:39, mella wrote: > > > I was testing my browsers against java with following URL: > > > > http://www.javatester.org/enabled.html > > > > And strangely new 4.2.0 seems not working with java and firefox. Also > > not working konqueror. (but strangely java apps all seems working). Java > > 1.5.0 from Sun. > > That's interesting - that page doesn't work for me either, but > Sun's test page does, both in firefox and mozilla. > http://www.java.com/en/download/help/testvm.jsp > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From smithco1 at gmail.com Tue Jan 11 18:20:45 2005 From: smithco1 at gmail.com (Tim Smith) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:20:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] java applets not working with FF? In-Reply-To: <6fe545d305011110193fa528e6@mail.gmail.com> References: <20050111142358.87B6B73E98@hormel.redhat.com> <41E4013E.5070304@pm.ee> <1105465848.7452.137.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <6fe545d305011110193fa528e6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6fe545d305011110206c7eeea3@mail.gmail.com> Oh, for those whole are in the know, the console said the following: java.lang.NullPointerException: name at sun.applet.AppletClassLoader.getResourceAsStream(Unknown Source) at sun.applet.AppletPanel$4.run(Unknown Source) at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method) at sun.applet.AppletPanel.createApplet(Unknown Source) at sun.plugin.AppletViewer.createApplet(Unknown Source) at sun.applet.AppletPanel.runLoader(Unknown Source) at sun.applet.AppletPanel.run(Unknown Source) at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source) APPLET tag missing CODE parameter. java.lang.NullPointerException: name at sun.applet.AppletClassLoader.getResourceAsStream(Unknown Source) at sun.applet.AppletPanel$4.run(Unknown Source) at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method) at sun.applet.AppletPanel.createApplet(Unknown Source) at sun.plugin.AppletViewer.createApplet(Unknown Source) at sun.applet.AppletPanel.runLoader(Unknown Source) at sun.applet.AppletPanel.run(Unknown Source) at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source) On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:19:21 -0500, Tim Smith wrote: > Interesting here as well. I tested this in XP with both Firefox and IE > and both failed. > Right clicking on it will provide me with a java console but not being > a java coder, the messages mean nothing to me. > > Tim > > > On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:50:48 -0600, Les Mikesell wrote: > > On Tue, 2005-01-11 at 10:39, mella wrote: > > > > > I was testing my browsers against java with following URL: > > > > > > http://www.javatester.org/enabled.html > > > > > > And strangely new 4.2.0 seems not working with java and firefox. Also > > > not working konqueror. (but strangely java apps all seems working). Java > > > 1.5.0 from Sun. > > > > That's interesting - that page doesn't work for me either, but > > Sun's test page does, both in firefox and mozilla. > > http://www.java.com/en/download/help/testvm.jsp > > > > -- > > Les Mikesell > > les at futuresource.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Tue Jan 11 18:57:23 2005 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 12:57:23 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] BackupPC Message-ID: <41E42193.3090606@honeygroveisd.net> Just a quick advertisement for BackupPC. After Les Mikesell's frequent recommendations of BackupPC, I decided to give it a try. For anyone else out there who might have been saying "Hmm, I may look into that some day.", do it now! It's an amazingly effective and simple product. I'm seriously considering chunking my $4000+ HP tape system now. For half of that I put together a big, fat RAID array and am now getting over 10 times the storage capacity (thanks partly to BackupPC's pooling system), and it's much faster to boot. I can't say enough good things about it. -- C-ya, Mark ____ Pamela Anderson Lee is Canada's Centennial Baby, being the first baby born on the centennial anniversary of Canada's independence. From gumprechtm at msln.net Tue Jan 11 19:11:00 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:11:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] BackupPC In-Reply-To: <41E42193.3090606@honeygroveisd.net> References: <41E42193.3090606@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <41E424C4.7090904@msln.net> Ditto, I'm in the process of replacing my tapes with backuppc machines and using cdrw's for off site storage. Mark Mark Cockrell wrote: > Just a quick advertisement for BackupPC. After Les Mikesell's > frequent recommendations of BackupPC, I decided to give it a try. For > anyone else out there who might have been saying "Hmm, I may look into > that some day.", do it now! It's an amazingly effective and simple > product. I'm seriously considering chunking my $4000+ HP tape system > now. For half of that I put together a big, fat RAID array and am now > getting over 10 times the storage capacity (thanks partly to > BackupPC's pooling system), and it's much faster to boot. I can't say > enough good things about it. -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, Maine gumprechtm at msln.net From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Jan 11 19:19:20 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:19:20 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] BackupPC In-Reply-To: <41E42193.3090606@honeygroveisd.net> References: <41E42193.3090606@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <41E426B8.80601@paasda.org> Ah, you too Mark? I've just found the 'unstable' repositories for the debian system I setup yesterday so am 'apt-get install backuppc' as I type... I do find the documentation rather daunting on setting up host and clients... Any chance you could wiki your work? I'll be logging my activities as well... hopefully we can reduce the fear the documentation instills. --Huck Mark Cockrell wrote: > Just a quick advertisement for BackupPC. After Les Mikesell's > frequent recommendations of BackupPC, I decided to give it a try. For > anyone else out there who might have been saying "Hmm, I may look into > that some day.", do it now! It's an amazingly effective and simple > product. I'm seriously considering chunking my $4000+ HP tape system > now. For half of that I put together a big, fat RAID array and am now > getting over 10 times the storage capacity (thanks partly to > BackupPC's pooling system), and it's much faster to boot. I can't say > enough good things about it. From les at futuresource.com Tue Jan 11 19:49:51 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:49:51 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] BackupPC In-Reply-To: <41E424C4.7090904@msln.net> References: <41E42193.3090606@honeygroveisd.net> <41E424C4.7090904@msln.net> Message-ID: <1105472991.7452.382.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-01-11 at 13:11, Mark Gumprecht wrote: > > I'm seriously considering chunking my $4000+ HP tape system > > now. You can hang it on the same machine and either do 'archive' runs where you manually dump a tar image of the last backuppc run off to tape, or run amanda which also needs minimal operator intervention and rotate the tapes offsite for disaster recovery. I still have an amanda cycle running for some of our most critical machines but haven't restored anything from tape since finding backuppc and hope I don't have to. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se Tue Jan 11 20:21:38 2005 From: daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se (Daniel Hedblom) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 21:21:38 +0100 (CET) Subject: [K12OSN] BackupPC (a complement to it, g4u) In-Reply-To: <41E42193.3090606@honeygroveisd.net> References: <41E42193.3090606@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <45987.217.211.209.100.1105474898.squirrel@217.211.209.100> Since BackupPC doesnt do full restores i thought id give a tip about something that can be a useful complement to it. G4u or "ghost for unix" is an excellent imager for those workstation or servers that just have to be get up and running in a couple of minutes after a crash, or that strange setup that took a week to get to run properly. g4u is two BSD based boot disks that recognize most nics, atleast everyone i have used it on. It makes a gzipped full archive of either the full disk or individual partitions. The best of all and this is where it shines compared to every other product i have tried, it backs up and restores from your simplest of simple normal ftp server. This means you can do a backup over a *DSL connection. Any standard ftp server will do just fine, not a single modification is needed besides creating an account. It handles every single filesystem and partition. I have restored 17 computers at once over a 100 mbit network and it took about 15 minutes. http://www.feyrer.de/g4u/ Its worth a try at the very least. /daniel > Just a quick advertisement for BackupPC. After Les Mikesell's frequent > recommendations of BackupPC, I decided to give it a try. For anyone > else out there who might have been saying "Hmm, I may look into that > some day.", do it now! It's an amazingly effective and simple product. > I'm seriously considering chunking my $4000+ HP tape system now. For > half of that I put together a big, fat RAID array and am now getting > over 10 times the storage capacity (thanks partly to BackupPC's pooling > system), and it's much faster to boot. I can't say enough good things > about it. > > -- > C-ya, > Mark > ____ > Pamela Anderson Lee is Canada's Centennial Baby, being the first baby born > on the centennial anniversary of Canada's independence. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- ------Disclaimer----- The expressions in this mail are my own. Daniel Hedblom Network Admin Mobile +46 70-383 72 44 Nipan School District Work +46 620-68 26 38 Sweden From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Tue Jan 11 20:31:44 2005 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:31:44 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] BackupPC In-Reply-To: <20050111195133.8B16E73045@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050111195133.8B16E73045@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <41E437B0.1020107@honeygroveisd.net> > Ah, you too Mark? > I've just found the 'unstable' repositories for the debian system I > setup yesterday so am 'apt-get install backuppc' as I type... > I do find the documentation rather daunting on setting up host and > clients... > Any chance you could wiki your work? I'll be logging my activities as > well... hopefully we can reduce the fear the documentation instills. > > --Huck Really, Huck, I didn't do anything. I read the documentation, line by line, and filled in the values for my network. The vast majority of our systems are Windows, so I just used the SMB option and listed the machines I wanted to back up in the host file. I haven't tackled the Linux machines yet, but that's only because I don't even know how to share files on a Linux machine without Samba. Once I figure out the whole rsync thing (I honestly don't even know what that is), I'll tackle that aspect of BackupPC. But, if I only ever use it for my Windows/Samba servers it's still an amazing product, and you can't beat the price. C-ya, Mark ____ Charlie Brown's father was a barber. From les at futuresource.com Tue Jan 11 20:42:00 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:42:00 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] BackupPC (a complement to it, g4u) In-Reply-To: <45987.217.211.209.100.1105474898.squirrel@217.211.209.100> References: <41E42193.3090606@honeygroveisd.net> <45987.217.211.209.100.1105474898.squirrel@217.211.209.100> Message-ID: <1105476120.7452.502.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-01-11 at 14:21, Daniel Hedblom wrote: > Since BackupPC doesnt do full restores i thought id give a tip about > something that can be a useful complement to it. It can do a full restore on a unix system if you work hard enough. You just have to fdisk/format the partitions first and make the disk bootable aftwards, none of which is especially difficult and it lets you restore to somewhat different hardware. Since you only get a "client's eye" view of a Windows system it can't restore those from bare metal. Having an image based copy that you could drop in quickly, then update from backuppc would probably save time in both cases. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Tue Jan 11 20:46:42 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:46:42 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Java issue here too (k12 4.1.1) In-Reply-To: <41E401F0.7030808@maltzen.net> References: <20050111120931.8329639AA@mprdmxin.myway.com> <41E3E15B.4000105@maltzen.net> <1105458517.7452.109.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <41E401F0.7030808@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1105476402.7452.512.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-01-11 at 10:42, Petre Scheie wrote: > I think we've been down this path before, where I've suggested the ssh route and > Les has pointed out the simpler and therefore more elegant vnc route.;-) I just > tried the vncviewer method on my K12LTSP 3.0.1 box (the server is my desktop), > but it says it doesn't recognize the -via option. What version is required for > that option? The oldest machine I can find (K12LTSP release 2.1.1-1) has # rpm -q vnc vnc-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.3-1 But that might have been an updated version pulled from freshrpms.net back when RH 7.3 was getting updates. I can't find one that doesn't support -via. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Jan 11 21:43:43 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 16:43:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] BackupPC (a complement to it, g4u) In-Reply-To: <45987.217.211.209.100.1105474898.squirrel@217.211.209.100> References: <45987.217.211.209.100.1105474898.squirrel@217.211.209.100> Message-ID: I'm curious...will it handle RAID? I have a server (Samba/LDAP) that I need a better backup system for and would like to do a bare metal backup (in other words...be able to make an image of the entire thing) that can restore from in the event of a catastrophe. BUT I need the RAID partitions and so forth to go back to where they were....will it do it? daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se on Tuesday, January 11, 2005 at 3:21 PM +0000 wrote: >Since BackupPC doesnt do full restores i thought id give a tip about >something that can be a useful complement to it. > >G4u or "ghost for unix" is an excellent imager for those workstation or >servers that just have to be get up and running in a couple of minutes >after a crash, or that strange setup that took a week to get to run >properly. > >g4u is two BSD based boot disks that recognize most nics, atleast everyone >i have used it on. It makes a gzipped full archive of either the full disk >or individual partitions. The best of all and this is where it shines >compared to every other product i have tried, it backs up and restores >from your simplest of simple normal ftp server. This means you can do a >backup over a *DSL connection. Any standard ftp server will do just fine, >not a single modification is needed besides creating an account. It >handles every single filesystem and partition. I have restored 17 >computers at once over a 100 mbit network and it took about 15 minutes. > >http://www.feyrer.de/g4u/ > >Its worth a try at the very least. > >/daniel David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From les at futuresource.com Tue Jan 11 21:56:17 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:56:17 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] BackupPC (a complement to it, g4u) In-Reply-To: References: <45987.217.211.209.100.1105474898.squirrel@217.211.209.100> Message-ID: <1105480577.7452.524.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-01-11 at 15:43, David Trask wrote: > I'm curious...will it handle RAID? I have a server (Samba/LDAP) that I > need a better backup system for and would like to do a bare metal backup > (in other words...be able to make an image of the entire thing) that can > restore from in the event of a catastrophe. BUT I need the RAID > partitions and so forth to go back to where they were....will it do it? Nothing is going to do RAID at the lowest hardware level where you configure which drives are part of which volume. The point of the hardware is to hide that from everything else. However, you should be able to do an image copy of the partitions as seen by the OS and restore them back to another partition that you have created of exactly the same size. But, it's not that much harder to work with a file based backup that you can restore anywhere you want. By the time you need to replace your server you'll want something newer, bigger, and faster, not an exact replacement of the one that was old enough to die. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From cliebow at downeast.net Tue Jan 11 22:14:22 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:14:22 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] LinuxWorld Boston - Call for Volunteers Message-ID: <200501112118.j0BLIrj28954@downeast.net> ill be there with bells on..chuck > It's LinuxWorld time again :) > > On Tuesday, February 15th, we will be invading the Hynes Convention > center in Boston, MA. > > We've got a booth lined up for LTSP in the .Org pavilion, and > if you happen to be in the area at that time, and have a few > hours to spare, we'd love to have you spend some time at the > booth. > > We've done this many times before, and it's always a great > adventure, and the LTSP booth has typically been one of the > busiest in the whole exhibit hall. > > The show starts on Tuesday morning, February 15th, and goes until > 4:00pm on Thursday, February 17th. > > The full schedule is: > > Tuesday, Aug 5th 10:00am - 5:00pm > Wednesday, Aug 6th 10:00am - 5:00pm > Thursday, Aug 7th 10:00am - 4:00pm > > As always, we'll have the traditional LTSP dinner, but this time, > we'll be coordinating the dinner with Marty Connor (of Rom-o-matic, > Etherboot, and resurrected NILO projects). Marty lives in the Boston > area, and he knows all the great places to go. > > I'll pass on the details of the dinner, as soon as we have them > confirmed. > > If you need passes to get into the exhibit hall, just send > me an email, and I can mail them out to you. > > So, it's a great opportunity to meet fellow LTSP users and > developers. > > If you are interested, and would like to be a part of the > adventure, then please send an email to: > > volunteers at LTSP.org > > Thanks, > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From dean at mumby.co.za Tue Jan 11 21:24:51 2005 From: dean at mumby.co.za (Dean Mumby) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 23:24:51 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] BackupPC In-Reply-To: <41E437B0.1020107@honeygroveisd.net> References: <20050111195133.8B16E73045@hormel.redhat.com> <41E437B0.1020107@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <41E44423.70002@mumby.co.za> Mark Cockrell wrote: >> Ah, you too Mark? >> I've just found the 'unstable' repositories for the debian system I >> setup yesterday so am 'apt-get install backuppc' as I type... >> I do find the documentation rather daunting on setting up host and >> clients... >> Any chance you could wiki your work? I'll be logging my activities as >> well... hopefully we can reduce the fear the documentation instills. >> >> --Huck > > > > Really, Huck, I didn't do anything. I read the documentation, line > by line, and filled in the values for my network. The vast majority > of our systems are Windows, so I just used the SMB option and listed > the machines I wanted to back up in the host file. I haven't tackled > the Linux machines yet, but that's only because I don't even know how > to share files on a Linux machine without Samba. Once I figure out > the whole rsync thing (I honestly don't even know what that is), I'll > tackle that aspect of BackupPC. But, if I only ever use it for my > Windows/Samba servers it's still an amazing product, and you can't > beat the price. > > C-ya, > Mark > ____ > Charlie Brown's father was a barber. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > How do you handle outlook.pst files since they cant be backed up while open. Also with windows xp machines it is not so easy to give the correct permissions to access each users profile dir in doc & settings without opening there work to the world ? Regards Dean -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.9 - Release Date: 2005/01/06 From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Tue Jan 11 23:23:24 2005 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 18:23:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LinuxWorld Boston - Call for Volunteers In-Reply-To: <200501112118.j0BLIrj28954@downeast.net> References: <200501112118.j0BLIrj28954@downeast.net> Message-ID: <41E45FEC.2040805@snet.net> cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > ill be there with bells on..chuck > > >>It's LinuxWorld time again :) >> >>On Tuesday, February 15th, we will be invading the Hynes Convention >>center in Boston, MA. >> >>The show starts on Tuesday morning, February 15th, and goes until >>4:00pm on Thursday, February 17th. Wait, February or August? I'm only abvout 2 hours form Beantown. I could do this. >> >>The full schedule is: >> >> Tuesday, Aug 5th 10:00am - 5:00pm >> Wednesday, Aug 6th 10:00am - 5:00pm >> Thursday, Aug 7th 10:00am - 4:00pm >> >>As always, we'll have the traditional LTSP dinner, but this time, >>we'll be coordinating the dinner with Marty Connor (of Rom-o-matic, >>Etherboot, and resurrected NILO projects). Marty lives in the Boston >>area, and he knows all the great places to go. >> >> volunteers at LTSP.org >> >>Thanks, >>Jim McQuillan >>jam at Ltsp.org >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> > > > --------------------------------------------- > This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From jam at mcquil.com Tue Jan 11 23:23:10 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 18:23:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] LinuxWorld Boston - Call for Volunteers In-Reply-To: <41E45FEC.2040805@snet.net> References: <200501112118.j0BLIrj28954@downeast.net> <41E45FEC.2040805@snet.net> Message-ID: Anthony, My first announcement had August in the schedule, but that was incorrect. I sent out an update, the actual dates are Feb 15-17, 2005, in Boston. Hope to see you there. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Tue, 11 Jan 2005, anthony baldwin wrote: > cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > > ill be there with bells on..chuck > > > > > > > It's LinuxWorld time again :) > > > > > > On Tuesday, February 15th, we will be invading the Hynes Convention > > > center in Boston, MA. > > > > > > > The show starts on Tuesday morning, February 15th, and goes until > > > 4:00pm on Thursday, February 17th. > > Wait, February or August? > I'm only abvout 2 hours form Beantown. > I could do this. > > > > > > > The full schedule is: > > > > > > Tuesday, Aug 5th 10:00am - 5:00pm > > > Wednesday, Aug 6th 10:00am - 5:00pm > > > Thursday, Aug 7th 10:00am - 4:00pm > > > > > > As always, we'll have the traditional LTSP dinner, but this time, > > > we'll be coordinating the dinner with Marty Connor (of Rom-o-matic, > > > Etherboot, and resurrected NILO projects). Marty lives in the Boston > > > area, and he knows all the great places to go. > > > > > > > volunteers at LTSP.org > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Jim McQuillan > > > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > > http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > -- > Anthony Baldwin > http://www.School-Library.net > Freedom to Learn! > > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- > GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ > PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? > ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Wed Jan 12 00:19:15 2005 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 18:19:15 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] BackupPC In-Reply-To: <20050111231904.40FE3731EC@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050111231904.40FE3731EC@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <41E46D03.3010206@honeygroveisd.net> > How do you handle outlook.pst files since they cant be backed up while > open. Also with windows xp machines it is not so easy to give the > correct permissions to access each users profile dir in doc & settings > without opening there work to the world ? > > Regards > Dean I don't touch Outlook (shivers). While I don't disallow it, I consider it an "unsupported application", which means that anyone who chooses to use it is on their own for backups. As for the user profiles, Windows NT domains have a special user group called "Backup Admins" that have read (but not execute) access to everything. So, the user set up in the BackupPC config can grab a copy of everything. At least, I haven't found anything yet that was a problem. -- C-ya, Mark ____ "Everything that can be invented has been invented." ---Charles H. Duell, Commissioner, U.S. Office of Patents, 1899. From microman at cmosnetworks.com Wed Jan 12 00:24:51 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 19:24:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Java issue here too (k12 4.1.1) In-Reply-To: <1105414152.6230.527.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1105414152.6230.527.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <41E46E53.5030903@cmosnetworks.com> Whenever I run into these types of issues, I generally try out the versions from the original source. Give it a shot with the "official" Java 1.4.2 from Sun. I've done this on several boxes and know that it works OK. I'd also try out Moz 1.7.3 from www.mozilla.org. Since you've done this with Firefox, you might want to give it a shot, and have your teacher try it on her Java-enabled Web site just to see if it works. Let us know. --TP John Baillie wrote: >This what's driving me buggy Terrell > >It is mozilla 1.7.3 it works fine on our other two servers and all looks >to be the same. > >I backed off from Firefox because the rpm was still pre 1.0. I did a >test upgrade on this server to firefox 1.0 via the mozilla installer at >mozilla.org but then I ran into a time issue with getting firefox to be >setup the way 1.7.3 was before Christmas vacation. With Mozilla I have >changed the default start up "splash" page, default home page and added >short cuts to the Personal Tool Bar. I needed the upgrade to firefox to >be as transparent as possible. > >I've got one teacher that has added a Java menu to her website and she >is very proud of it. She is coming into the Lab tomorrow and I sure >would like to be able to give her students access to it in the other >half of the Lab. > >I'm ssh'd into the server at the moment and everything looks on the up >and up. > >A year or so ago a LUG member set up a vnc connection to the school for >me and access to the gui. Wish I still had that set up so I could test >changes to such things from home. > >John > > >"Terrell Prud??, Jr." Wrote: > >What version of Mozilla? I have no problems and am using 1.7.3. > >Also, does Firefox crash on these same WWW sites? > >--TP > >John Baillie wrote: > > We have a 4.1.1 k12 server that I installed firefox on. Went back to > Mozilla and now sites with java crash mozilla. > I have done the following > yum remove firefox > yum remove j2re* > yum remove mozilla > reinstalled mozilla and j2re and j2re-plugin via yum > > I looked at the sym links and all appear to be correct > > [root thomas plugins]# ls -l libjavaplugin_oji.so > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 67 Jan 10 20:40 libjavaplugin_oji.so -> > /usr/java/j2re1.4.2_05/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so > and I have compared this server to another and everything looks the > same. Obviously it's not :-\ but darn if I can see it. I'll try the > script in Install Additional Software dir but I'm looking at the > get.java script it refers to and it seems that yum install should work > what am I overlooking here? > Thanks, > John > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Jan 12 00:38:35 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 16:38:35 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] apt-get errors driving you crazy? Message-ID: <41E4718B.8020907@paasda.org> This link has some good info.. http://www.sdn.or.id/share/Debian-Doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-erros.en.html go up 1 level in the directory below...and there are even more goodies to be perused. http://www.sdn.or.id/share/Debian-Doc/manuals/apt-howto/ --Huck From cliebow at downeast.net Wed Jan 12 02:07:32 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 02:07:32 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] LinuxWorld Boston - Call for Volunteers Message-ID: <200501120112.j0C1C1K09773@downeast.net> im only six hours with a tailwind..prety cool stiff this year to show off.. macs netbooting ltsp, nx,, x11vnc remote deskyopd..chuck > cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > > ill be there with bells on..chuck > > > > > >>It's LinuxWorld time again :) > >> > maxs netbooting nx x11vnc >>On Tuesday, February 15th, we will be invading the Hynes Convention > >>center in Boston, MA. > > >> > >>The show starts on Tuesday morning, February 15th, and goes until > >>4:00pm on Thursday, February 17th. > > Wait, February or August? > I'm only abvout 2 hours form Beantown. > I could do this. > > >> > >>The full schedule is: > >> > >> Tuesday, Aug 5th 10:00am - 5:00pm > >> Wednesday, Aug 6th 10:00am - 5:00pm > >> Thursday, Aug 7th 10:00am - 4:00pm > >> > >>As always, we'll have the traditional LTSP dinner, but this time, > >>we'll be coordinating the dinner with Marty Connor (of Rom-o-matic, > >>Etherboot, and resurrected NILO projects). Marty lives in the Boston > >>area, and he knows all the great places to go. > > >> > >> volunteers at LTSP.org > >> > >>Thanks, > >>Jim McQuillan > >>jam at Ltsp.org > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>K12OSN mailing list > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>For more info see > >> > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > > http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > -- > Anthony Baldwin > http://www.School-Library.net > Freedom to Learn! > > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- > GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ > PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? > ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Wed Jan 12 02:51:21 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 21:51:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Java issue here too (k12 4.1.1) solved Message-ID: <1105498281.6230.617.camel@localhost.localdomain> JAVA I downloaded the rpm version of JRE 5.1.0 Update 1 from http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp Installed per instructions at http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/jre/install-linux.html#install-rpm Created sym links as per instructions in this thread This problem was only on two of our servers, the two I recently built. Same version of K12LTSP different hardware. This is the fourth time this hardware has come back bite me :-\ VNCVIEWER Amazing what a difference a little extra bandwidth makes! Bright House upped our bandwidth here at home. vncviewer performance was acceptable the last time I used it from home, but now it is very, very usable. John From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Jan 12 06:05:47 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 01:05:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] I need to make Flash work faster....wanna pitch in? Message-ID: I'm fishing for ideas. Here's the deal....we have a pretty good K12LTSP deployment here at school....every classroom and the lab. And....to have our cake and eat it too...you can access the Windows 2003 Terminal server via rdesktop as well. I have budgeted for a whole new lab this coming school year. All nice little thin-clients with LCD monitors. I have a few LTSP 150's and love them. Looking forward to having a whole new lab full. I'm even going to be outfitting the library as well! We use Flash a lot for classes....sites such as www.brainpop.com The problem becomes once we get 10-20 kids online and using a lot of flash sites....they get quite slow and my CPU goes through the roof....98-99%. (dual Xeon 2.x ghz....4 gigs RAM) What I'm wondering is how we might be able to make flash faster and work better. I'm wondering if there was some way that one could utilize the local RAM and CPU to run flash....I've heard of local apps, but never actually tried setting it up. Along the same lines of the work being done with local devices at LTSP-by-the-SEA I'm wondering if there's some way to "suck" the flash module down to the local terminal....or even somehow make it a part of a special etherboot image for my more powerful terminals. (I realize I'm grasping straws here) Once the flash was on the terminal I have no idea how we'd tell Mozilla or Firefox where it is....unless we could symlink somehow. In any case....anyone got ANY ideas how to make this work? It's a bit of an issue for me....or maybe some of you have found something that works better....if so share it with me *please*. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Jan 11 16:06:45 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:06:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] acroread-plugin not working for anyone but root Message-ID: I have an issue I need help with. I wasn't aware of it, but the acrobat reader plugin is not working on our system. I installed it via the script (yum) on root's desktop when I installed the server.....I just tried to run it again...and it is installed. So...it works for root, but not for anyone else. I'm thinking it's a permissions issue, but not sure where the plugin lives. I don't see it in any of the mozilla plugins directories. Can anyone shed some light on this? I need to get it fixed....I won't sleep until I do ;-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Jan 11 16:06:45 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:06:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] HELP! adobe acrobat plugin not working for anyone but root Message-ID: Hey folks! I have an issue I need help with. I wasn't aware of it, but the acrobat reader plugin is not working on our system. I installed it via the script (yum) on root's desktop when I installed the server.....I just tried to run it again...and it is installed. So...it works for root, but not for anyone else. I'm thinking it's a permissions issue, but not sure where the plugin lives. I don't see it in any of the mozilla plugins directories. Can anyone shed some light on this? I need to get it fixed....I won't sleep until I do ;-) The permissions for /usr/bin/acroread appear to be fine....that's all I can find that seems to be releated to acrobat reader....can't even find where the plugin lives, but it is indeed installed....it works for root and also shows up in Firefox's preferences.....just won't launch for anyone but root......HELP! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Jan 12 06:08:14 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:08:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] HELP! adobe acrobat plugin not working for anyone but root In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 11 Jan 2005, David Trask wrote: > Hey folks! > > I have an issue I need help with. I wasn't aware of it, but the acrobat > reader plugin is not working on our system. I installed it via the script > (yum) on root's desktop when I installed the server.....I just tried to > run it again...and it is installed. So...it works for root, but not for > anyone else. I'm thinking it's a permissions issue, but not sure where > the plugin lives. I don't see it in any of the mozilla plugins > directories. Can anyone shed some light on this? I need to get it > fixed....I won't sleep until I do ;-) > > The permissions for /usr/bin/acroread appear to be fine....that's all I > can find that seems to be releated to acrobat reader....can't even find > where the plugin lives, but it is indeed installed....it works for root > and also shows up in Firefox's preferences.....just won't launch for > anyone but root......HELP! I have updated Acroread packages that you can try out. You will find them at: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/ The acroreader plugin does not use /usr/bin/acroread. The file you need to check is /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/nppdf.so -Eric From pauls at tclcommunications.co.nz Wed Jan 12 06:17:07 2005 From: pauls at tclcommunications.co.nz (Paul Satherley) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 19:17:07 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] BackupPC (a complement to it, g4u) (as well as UDP cast) In-Reply-To: <45987.217.211.209.100.1105474898.squirrel@217.211.209.100> References: <41E42193.3090606@honeygroveisd.net> <45987.217.211.209.100.1105474898.squirrel@217.211.209.100> Message-ID: <41E4C0E3.4040705@tclcommunications.co.nz> I find UDP-CAST a great time saver to blow an "image" to multiple PC's in one go.. works for Linux,XP pro,Win98 etc as long as the hardware is same(easier) , just a PC name change and your good to go.. I find it usefull when I have 30 Xp PC with no Active directory server to control policys ie only using Gpedit.msc locally to limit user access. A few tips just prepare one clean machine install all apps etc with updates licensing etc .. do a standard defrag, not a Nortons optimise disk, UDP cast only images the start of a Nortons optmised disk? The Cdboot option is far better than slow floppies .. start the "sender" machine first then carefully add "reciever" machine to the job, I say carefully because once the "reciever" see's the sender machine a prompt "hit any key to start the cast appears" dont hit a key untill you have added the last machine..easyier said than done.. http://udpcast.linux.lu/ cheers Paul S >Since BackupPC doesnt do full restores i thought id give a tip about >something that can be a useful complement to it. > >G4u or "ghost for unix" is an excellent imager for those workstation or >servers that just have to be get up and running in a couple of minutes >after a crash, or that strange setup that took a week to get to run >properly. > >g4u is two BSD based boot disks that recognize most nics, atleast everyone >i have used it on. It makes a gzipped full archive of either the full disk >or individual partitions. The best of all and this is where it shines >compared to every other product i have tried, it backs up and restores >from your simplest of simple normal ftp server. This means you can do a >backup over a *DSL connection. Any standard ftp server will do just fine, >not a single modification is needed besides creating an account. It >handles every single filesystem and partition. I have restored 17 >computers at once over a 100 mbit network and it took about 15 minutes. > >http://www.feyrer.de/g4u/ > >Its worth a try at the very least. > >/daniel > > > > > >>Just a quick advertisement for BackupPC. After Les Mikesell's frequent >>recommendations of BackupPC, I decided to give it a try. For anyone >>else out there who might have been saying "Hmm, I may look into that >>some day.", do it now! It's an amazingly effective and simple product. >>I'm seriously considering chunking my $4000+ HP tape system now. For >>half of that I put together a big, fat RAID array and am now getting >>over 10 times the storage capacity (thanks partly to BackupPC's pooling >>system), and it's much faster to boot. I can't say enough good things >>about it. >> >>-- >>C-ya, >>Mark >>____ >>Pamela Anderson Lee is Canada's Centennial Baby, being the first baby born >>on the centennial anniversary of Canada's independence. >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> >> > > > > From cliebow at downeast.net Wed Jan 12 11:52:21 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:52:21 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] I need to make Flash work faster....wanna pitch in? Message-ID: <200501121056.j0CAulF13845@downeast.net> could prob run firefox as locaal app.jammcq has done so i think..my clients cant hack it..chuck > I'm fishing for ideas. Here's the deal....we have a pretty good K12LTSP > deployment here at school....every classroom and the lab. And....to have > our cake and eat it too...you can access the Windows 2003 Terminal server > via rdesktop as well. I have budgeted for a whole new lab this coming > school year. All nice little thin-clients with LCD monitors. I have a > few LTSP 150's and love them. Looking forward to having a whole new lab > full. I'm even going to be outfitting the library as well! We use Flash > a lot for classes....sites such as www.brainpop.com The problem becomes > once we get 10-20 kids online and using a lot of flash sites....they get > quite slow and my CPU goes through the roof....98-99%. (dual Xeon 2.x > ghz....4 gigs RAM) What I'm wondering is how we might be able to make > flash faster and work better. I'm wondering if there was some way that > one could utilize the local RAM and CPU to run flash....I've heard of > local apps, but never actually tried setting it up. Along the same lines > of the work being done with local devices at LTSP-by-the-SEA I'm wondering > if there's some way to "suck" the flash module down to the local > terminal....or even somehow make it a part of a special etherboot image > for my more powerful terminals. (I realize I'm grasping straws here) > Once the flash was on the terminal I have no idea how we'd tell Mozilla or > Firefox where it is....unless we could symlink somehow. In any > case....anyone got ANY ideas how to make this work? It's a bit of an > issue for me....or maybe some of you have found something that works > better....if so share it with me *please*. > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Jan 12 13:29:30 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 08:29:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] I need to make Flash work faster....wanna pitch in? In-Reply-To: <200501121056.j0CAulF13845@downeast.net> References: <200501121056.j0CAulF13845@downeast.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, January 12, 2005 at 6:52 AM +0000 wrote: >could prob run firefox as locaal app.jammcq has done so i think..my >clients >cant hack it..chuck good idea....how do I do this? :-) I have no idea how to set up local apps....it's difficult isn't it. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From les at futuresource.com Wed Jan 12 13:40:36 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 07:40:36 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] I need to make Flash work faster....wanna pitch in? In-Reply-To: References: <200501121056.j0CAulF13845@downeast.net> Message-ID: <1105537236.30578.5.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-01-12 at 07:29, David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Wednesday, January 12, 2005 at 6:52 AM +0000 wrote: > >could prob run firefox as locaal app.jammcq has done so i think..my > >clients > >cant hack it..chuck > > good idea....how do I do this? :-) I have no idea how to set up local > apps....it's difficult isn't it. The hard part is getting network authentication and NFS exported home directories set up. You've already done that part. You will reduce security if you open up NFS to the workstations, but that may not matter as much as performance - and maybe you already allow it. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Jan 12 14:02:36 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:02:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] I need to make Flash work faster....wanna pitch in? In-Reply-To: <1105537236.30578.5.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <200501121056.j0CAulF13845@downeast.net> < > <1105537236.30578.5.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, January 12, 2005 at 8:40 AM +0000 wrote: >The hard part is getting network authentication and NFS exported >home directories set up. You've already done that part. You >will reduce security if you open up NFS to the workstations, but >that may not matter as much as performance - and maybe you already >allow it. Any idea where the how-to is? I'd like to try....security is not paramount in this case....performance is. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From cliebow at downeast.net Wed Jan 12 13:56:03 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:56:03 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] I need to make Flash work faster....wanna pitch in? Message-ID: <200501121300.j0CD0TF28115@downeast.net> pretty easy for x11vnc..the nis domain i am a little hazy on but here are notes that might help for the local app stuff.. > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Wednesday, January 12, 2005 at 6:52 AM +0000 wrote: > >could prob run firefox as locaal app.jammcq has done so i think..my > >clients > >cant hack it..chuck > > good idea....how do I do this? :-) I have no idea how to set up local > apps....it's difficult isn't it. > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: vnc.txt URL: From petre at maltzen.net Wed Jan 12 14:06:54 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 08:06:54 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] vncviewer -via [was Java issue here too (k12 4.1.1)] In-Reply-To: <1105476402.7452.512.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <20050111120931.8329639AA@mprdmxin.myway.com> <41E3E15B.4000105@maltzen.net> <1105458517.7452.109.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <41E401F0.7030808@maltzen.net> <1105476402.7452.512.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <41E52EFE.1050803@maltzen.net> Ah, I think I see the problem: -via is an option for the TightVNC vncviewer, and I've got RealVNC installed. I can manually remove the RealVNC package, and then download and install the TightVNC package; but is there a way to have yum or apt-get install the TightVNC, since I'm lazy? Which version shipped with K12LTSP 3.0.1? (Eric, is there a list of packages and versions for each release on a website somewhere?) Petre Les Mikesell wrote: > On Tue, 2005-01-11 at 10:42, Petre Scheie wrote: > >>I think we've been down this path before, where I've suggested the ssh route and >>Les has pointed out the simpler and therefore more elegant vnc route.;-) I just >>tried the vncviewer method on my K12LTSP 3.0.1 box (the server is my desktop), >>but it says it doesn't recognize the -via option. What version is required for >>that option? > > > The oldest machine I can find (K12LTSP release 2.1.1-1) has > # rpm -q vnc > vnc-3.3.3r2+tight1.2.3-1 > But that might have been an updated version pulled from freshrpms.net > back when RH 7.3 was getting updates. I can't find one that doesn't > support -via. > From linuxsys at davisny.edu Wed Jan 12 14:03:10 2005 From: linuxsys at davisny.edu (Calvin Park) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:03:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] I need to make Flash work faster....wanna pitch in? In-Reply-To: References: <200501121056.j0CAulF13845@downeast.net> < > <1105537236.30578.5.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1105538590.6511.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LocalApps I'm assuming that might be the place to start. I've never setup localapps. But, that's where I'd start. -Calvin On Wed, 2005-01-12 at 09:02 -0500, David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Wednesday, January 12, 2005 at 8:40 AM +0000 wrote: > >The hard part is getting network authentication and NFS exported > >home directories set up. You've already done that part. You > >will reduce security if you open up NFS to the workstations, but > >that may not matter as much as performance - and maybe you already > >allow it. > > Any idea where the how-to is? I'd like to try....security is not > paramount in this case....performance is. > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Jan 12 14:10:02 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 08:10:02 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Built in New World Mac Thin Client support Message-ID: <000601c4f8b0$68637ea0$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> Is there a possibility that in the next release of LTSP we could get the support for using iMacs as thin clients built in? From replies from Chuck L. it sounds like this is now possible but takes a little work. It would be awesome to get this configured out of the box for deployment around my area. Every school currently has Bondi and other fruity colored iMacs and the first question I get when talking about booting old machines is "Can we use our current iMacs?", to which I answer very carefully. I think this support built in would help "sell" the concept tremendously. Eric, I know you have a ton going on without handling my problems, but if you could get together with Chuck and get this integrated to the LTSP package to the point that we could just network boot an iMac and everything would magically work that would be great. Thanks, Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From Steven at Stevensantos.com Wed Jan 12 14:10:20 2005 From: Steven at Stevensantos.com (Steven Santos) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:10:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] I need to make Flash work faster....wanna pitch In-Reply-To: <20050112135312.0C8C9732CE@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <002401c4f8b0$740f9f90$6701a8c0@santoswintergr> Would it not make more sense to offload FF/Flash to a dedicated app server? > I'm fishing for ideas. Here's the deal....we have a pretty good K12LTSP > deployment here at school....every classroom and the lab. And....to have > our cake and eat it too...you can access the Windows 2003 Terminal server > via rdesktop as well. I have budgeted for a whole new lab this coming > school year. All nice little thin-clients with LCD monitors. I have a > few LTSP 150's and love them. Looking forward to having a whole new lab > full. I'm even going to be outfitting the library as well! We use Flash > a lot for classes....sites such as www.brainpop.com The problem becomes > once we get 10-20 kids online and using a lot of flash sites....they get > quite slow and my CPU goes through the roof....98-99%. (dual Xeon 2.x > ghz....4 gigs RAM) What I'm wondering is how we might be able to make > flash faster and work better. I'm wondering if there was some way that > one could utilize the local RAM and CPU to run flash....I've heard of > local apps, but never actually tried setting it up. Along the same lines > of the work being done with local devices at LTSP-by-the-SEA I'm wondering > if there's some way to "suck" the flash module down to the local > terminal....or even somehow make it a part of a special etherboot image > for my more powerful terminals. (I realize I'm grasping straws here) > Once the flash was on the terminal I have no idea how we'd tell Mozilla or > Firefox where it is....unless we could symlink somehow. In any > case....anyone got ANY ideas how to make this work? It's a bit of an > issue for me....or maybe some of you have found something that works > better....if so share it with me *please*. > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Jan 12 14:22:29 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 08:22:29 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] I need to make Flash work faster....wanna pitch In-Reply-To: <002401c4f8b0$740f9f90$6701a8c0@santoswintergr> Message-ID: <000701c4f8b2$25a2a620$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> > Would it not make more sense to offload FF/Flash to a > dedicated app server? That sounds like a better solution to me. The whole local app thing seems to contradict what LTSP is trying to accomplish (no local HD's or moving parts, a "thin" client). I think Gavin Spurgeon (sorry for spelling) has a tutorial on setting this up that looks very simple (haven't actually done it myself yet). But the downside is I suppose the hardware for local apps is laying around but you most likely don't have another high end server. I wonder how much of a machine would be needed to just run a single app like FF/Flash for x amount of users. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From accessys at smart.net Wed Jan 12 15:04:03 2005 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:04:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Built in New World Mac Thin Client support In-Reply-To: <000601c4f8b0$68637ea0$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000601c4f8b0$68637ea0$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 12 Jan 2005, Jim Kronebusch wrote: it certainly is what keeping me from going whole school since all but one lab is all mac. Bob > Is there a possibility that in the next release of LTSP we could get the > support for using iMacs as thin clients built in? From replies from > Chuck L. it sounds like this is now possible but takes a little work. > It would be awesome to get this configured out of the box for deployment > around my area. Every school currently has Bondi and other fruity > colored iMacs and the first question I get when talking about booting > old machines is "Can we use our current iMacs?", to which I answer very > carefully. I think this support built in would help "sell" the concept > tremendously. > > Eric, I know you have a ton going on without handling my problems, but > if you could get together with Chuck and get this integrated to the LTSP > package to the point that we could just network boot an iMac and > everything would magically work that would be great. > > Thanks, > > Jim Kronebusch > Cotter Tech Department > 507-453-5188 > jim at winonacotter.org > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From jwarf at chatham.k12.nc.us Wed Jan 12 14:19:00 2005 From: jwarf at chatham.k12.nc.us (John Warf) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 9:19:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Udpcast Message-ID: <20050112142856.941F5FE5C3@mxtreme.chatham.k12.nc.us> Udpcast is great. We have used it for 2 - 3 years. You can also make disk images of different labs and store them on a server and pull them off when you need to reimage a comper. Just make sure you have a lot of disk space if you are storing multiple labs. When running WinXP with UDPCAST it is a good practice to run the sysprep program before imaging so you don't have problem's booting up the new image. John Warf Network Administrator Chatham County Schools PO Box 128 / 369 West St Pittsboro, NC 27312 USA 919.542.3626 x 286 919.542.1380 fax mailto:jwarf at chatham.k12.nc.us http://www.chatham.k12.nc.us **This message was sent from the Chatham County Schools Mail Server** *****All e-mail correspondence to and from this address is subject to the North Carolina Public Records Law, which may result in monitoring and disclosure to third parties, including law enforcement.***** From petre at maltzen.net Wed Jan 12 15:22:54 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:22:54 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] I need to make Flash work faster....wanna pitch In-Reply-To: <000701c4f8b2$25a2a620$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000701c4f8b2$25a2a620$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <41E540CE.7070407@maltzen.net> I was thinking the same thing. Since buying another big machine to support FF/Flash may not be possible, perhaps one could use a handful of smaller machines. Then, in the script to call FF/Flash, you have some code that says 'if this script is being called from workstation 1 through 10, run FF/Flash on appserver1; if being called from workstation 11 through 20, run FF/Flash on appserver2' and so on. The downside is that workstations are tied to specific app servers, and if one of the app servers crashes, those workstations won't automatically switch to another app server. But...(thinks about it for a moment)...in that same FF/Flash script you could have it check to make sure its primary app server is up; if yes, run it from there; if no, go to the next app server and repeat. I'm thinking something like this: #!/bin/bash case $DISPLAY in ws001* ) if ping -c 1 -w 1 appsrv1 then ssh appsrv1 firefox elif ping -c 1 -w 1 appsrv2 then ssh appsrv2 firefox elif ping -c 1 -w 1 appsrv3 then ssh appsrv3 firefox fi ;; ws002* ) if ping -c 1 -w 1 appsrv2 then ssh appsrv2 firefox elif ping -c 1 -w 1 appsrv3 then ssh appsrv3 firefox elif ping -c 1 -w 1 appsrv1 then ssh appsrv1 firefox fi ;; esac Someone should check my syntax with the case statement, but you get the idea. Note how the order of the app server changes depending on which workstation the request comes from. And on the app servers, you'd want to nfs-mount the user's home directories, which would include ~/.ssh/authorized_keys2 so users can ssh without needing to give a password and all the other things we've discussed regarding the setup of app servers. Petre Jim Kronebusch wrote: >>Would it not make more sense to offload FF/Flash to a >>dedicated app server? > > > That sounds like a better solution to me. The whole local app thing > seems to contradict what LTSP is trying to accomplish (no local HD's or > moving parts, a "thin" client). I think Gavin Spurgeon (sorry for > spelling) has a tutorial on setting this up that looks very simple > (haven't actually done it myself yet). But the downside is I suppose > the hardware for local apps is laying around but you most likely don't > have another high end server. I wonder how much of a machine would be > needed to just run a single app like FF/Flash for x amount of users. > > From scdslinuslist at shoreschool.org Wed Jan 12 15:41:48 2005 From: scdslinuslist at shoreschool.org (Linux Listserv) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:41:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Built in New World Mac Thin Client support Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, January 12, 2005 at 10:04 AM -0500 wrote: > >> Is there a possibility that in the next release of LTSP we could get the >> support for using iMacs as thin clients built in? ... I think this >support built in would help "sell" the concept >> tremendously. >> Add my vote to this project! Like many lower/middle schools, we have a great deal of Apple hardware and it would make great sense to extend the life of some of these iMacs by turning them into thin clients. Christopher Butler Director of Technology Shore Country Day School Beverly, MA 01915 cbutler at shoreschool.org From gumprechtm at msln.net Wed Jan 12 15:41:31 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:41:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] BackupPC In-Reply-To: <41E44423.70002@mumby.co.za> References: <20050111195133.8B16E73045@hormel.redhat.com> <41E437B0.1020107@honeygroveisd.net> <41E44423.70002@mumby.co.za> Message-ID: <41E5452B.1040808@msln.net> Dean Mumby wrote: > Also with windows xp machines it is not so easy to give the correct > permissions to access each users profile dir in doc & settings without > opening there work to the world ? > > Regards > Dean > > > I used the cygwin-rsync setup on a win2.3k server without any problems. Just created a special group and user to have backup access. Works slick. -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, Maine gumprechtm at msln.net From les at futuresource.com Wed Jan 12 15:44:34 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:44:34 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] I need to make Flash work faster....wanna pitch In-Reply-To: <000701c4f8b2$25a2a620$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000701c4f8b2$25a2a620$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1105544674.3946.17.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-01-12 at 08:22, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > Would it not make more sense to offload FF/Flash to a > > dedicated app server? > > That sounds like a better solution to me. The whole local app thing > seems to contradict what LTSP is trying to accomplish (no local HD's or > moving parts, a "thin" client). These are unrelated concepts. It is possible to network boot a traditional 'fat' client that can be diskless or perhaps only have a local swap file/partition. Apps load via NFS from the server but run locally. Try, for example, booting a knoppix CD on one machine and enabling its PXE server, then let a client boot from it. The client will run everything locally just like a CD boot. The main thing you need on the client is a faster CPU and more RAM than for a thin client, but if you are using PC's that used to run Win98, this should work fine and scale to more clients per server. You could split the difference by running the WM locally but run large apps like openoffice from an application server. You'd have a big win on display intensive apps like tuxtype or multicast streaming video displayed by vlc. The downside is mostly that there is no bundled installation like k12ltsp for booting fat clients and no good menu-builder for mixing in apps from an app server when the WM is local. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From gumprechtm at msln.net Wed Jan 12 15:53:10 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:53:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] BackupPC (a complement to it, g4u) In-Reply-To: <45987.217.211.209.100.1105474898.squirrel@217.211.209.100> References: <41E42193.3090606@honeygroveisd.net> <45987.217.211.209.100.1105474898.squirrel@217.211.209.100> Message-ID: <41E547E6.3030500@msln.net> Daniel Hedblom wrote: >The best of all and this is where it shines >compared to every other product i have tried, it backs up and restores >from your simplest of simple normal ftp server. This means you can do a >backup over a *DSL connection. Any standard ftp server will do just fine, >not a single modification is needed besides creating an account. It >handles every single filesystem and partition. I have restored 17 >computers at once over a 100 mbit network and it took about 15 minutes. > >http://www.feyrer.de/g4u/ > >Its worth a try at the very least. > > > I was just looking for a replacement for my aging Power Quest Disk Image Thanks -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, Maine gumprechtm at msln.net From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Jan 12 16:08:32 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:08:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] I need to make Flash work faster....wanna pitch In-Reply-To: <41E540CE.7070407@maltzen.net> References: <000701c4f8b2$25a2a620$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> <41E540CE.7070407@maltzen.net> Message-ID: I'm game to give this a try...in fact I can start with just one for now....assuming security is not an issue in this case....in other words let's not worry about private/public keys and all that in this concept phase....how can I go about setting this up? In my situation I basically would be best served by having a dedicated server for FF/Flash. The biggest issues arise when everyone in the lab is working on FF/Flash....as for the rest of the building....they are few and far between enough so that it's not as much of an issue. Let me know and I'll get started! Thanks for the help! This'll be fun! :-) "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, January 12, 2005 at 10:22 AM +0000 wrote: >I was thinking the same thing. Since buying another big machine to >support >FF/Flash may not be possible, perhaps one could use a handful of smaller >machines. Then, in the script to call FF/Flash, you have some code that >says >'if this script is being called from workstation 1 through 10, run >FF/Flash on >appserver1; if being called from workstation 11 through 20, run FF/Flash >on >appserver2' and so on. The downside is that workstations are tied to >specific >app servers, and if one of the app servers crashes, those workstations >won't >automatically switch to another app server. But...(thinks about it for a >moment)...in that same FF/Flash script you could have it check to make >sure its >primary app server is up; if yes, run it from there; if no, go to the >next app >server and repeat. I'm thinking something like this: > >#!/bin/bash > >case $DISPLAY in > ws001* ) > if ping -c 1 -w 1 appsrv1 > then > ssh appsrv1 firefox > elif ping -c 1 -w 1 appsrv2 > then > ssh appsrv2 firefox > elif ping -c 1 -w 1 appsrv3 > then > ssh appsrv3 firefox > fi > ;; > ws002* ) > if ping -c 1 -w 1 appsrv2 > then > ssh appsrv2 firefox > elif ping -c 1 -w 1 appsrv3 > then > ssh appsrv3 firefox > elif ping -c 1 -w 1 appsrv1 > then > ssh appsrv1 firefox > fi > ;; >esac > >Someone should check my syntax with the case statement, but you get the >idea. >Note how the order of the app server changes depending on which >workstation the >request comes from. And on the app servers, you'd want to nfs-mount the >user's >home directories, which would include ~/.ssh/authorized_keys2 so users >can ssh >without needing to give a password and all the other things we've >discussed >regarding the setup of app servers. > >Petre > >Jim Kronebusch wrote: >>>Would it not make more sense to offload FF/Flash to a >>>dedicated app server? >> >> >> That sounds like a better solution to me. The whole local app thing >> seems to contradict what LTSP is trying to accomplish (no local HD's or >> moving parts, a "thin" client). I think Gavin Spurgeon (sorry for >> spelling) has a tutorial on setting this up that looks very simple >> (haven't actually done it myself yet). But the downside is I suppose >> the hardware for local apps is laying around but you most likely don't >> have another high end server. I wonder how much of a machine would be >> needed to just run a single app like FF/Flash for x amount of users. >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Jan 12 16:14:49 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:14:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] I need to make Flash work faster....wanna pitch In-Reply-To: <1105544674.3946.17.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <000701c4f8b2$25a2a620$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> <1105544674.3946.17.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, January 12, 2005 at 10:44 AM +0000 wrote: >These are unrelated concepts. It is possible to network boot a >traditional 'fat' client that can be diskless or perhaps only >have a local swap file/partition. Apps load via NFS from the >server but run locally. Try, for example, booting a >knoppix CD on one machine and enabling its PXE server, then >let a client boot from it. The client will run everything locally >just like a CD boot. The main thing you need on the client >is a faster CPU and more RAM than for a thin client, but if you >are using PC's that used to run Win98, this should work fine and >scale to more clients per server. You could split the difference >by running the WM locally but run large apps like openoffice from >an application server. You'd have a big win on display intensive >apps like tuxtype or multicast streaming video displayed by vlc. >The downside is mostly that there is no bundled installation >like k12ltsp for booting fat clients and no good menu-builder for >mixing in apps from an app server when the WM is local. That's what I thought....my clients in the lab....(the place where I really need to address the FF/Flash issue) have P4's....256 mb RAM...etc. My understanding of local apps is that somehow the app gets pulled down the pipe and uses the local resources to run....ie: CPU and maybe RAM? Next summer I'll be installing straight thin-clients in the lab....thus...the CPU and RAM should be fine....minimum CPU will be VIA 533 mhz.....and the RAM will be at least 128 AFAIK. I use IceWM...so buidling a menu item shouldn't be too hard should it? Assuming security is not an issue at this stage what's the best way to start? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Jan 12 16:21:04 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:21:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] I need to make Flash work faster....wanna pitch in? In-Reply-To: <1105538590.6511.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200501121056.j0CAulF13845@downeast.net> < > < > < > <1105537236.30578.5.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> < > <1105538590.6511.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, January 12, 2005 at 9:03 AM +0000 wrote: >http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LocalApps Ok....I went to the site above and Chuck has a nice write up, but I don't use NIS....I use Samba/LDAP....can I do it with that? Is there a simpler less secure way? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From ramonklown at pop.com.br Wed Jan 12 16:47:56 2005 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:47:56 -0200 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Sound continued... In-Reply-To: References: <010720051549.9475.41DEAF7C000BF5AA0000250322070029539C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net>< > <200501071940.20861.trondrm@online.no> < > < ><200501101354.41187.trondrm@online.no> Message-ID: <37673.200.218.176.26.1105548476.squirrel@popmail4.pop.com.br> Got the same problem. If anyone has a solution to run sound from client. Peace, Ramon > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Monday, January 10, 2005 at 9:50 AM +0000 wrote: >>It is in a different place in K12LTSP: /etc/profile.d/ltsp-esound.sh >> >>libaudiooss.so is only preloaded if SOUND_DAEMON=nasd is set in >>/opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf. This is the default with K12LTSP 4.x >> >>You can double-check that LD_PRELOAD is set by logging in from a >>terminal, opening a shell, and typing: >> >> echo $LD_PRELOAD > > Eric, > > I ran this command and nothing came back....it was blank....I'm running > IceWM with nasd on 4.1 any ideas? > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From cliebow at downeast.net Wed Jan 12 17:03:30 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:03:30 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] I need to make Flash work faster....wanna pitch in? Message-ID: <200501121607.j0CG7tF29245@downeast.net> we have an ltsp schema and howto ragnar wrotwe up..for local dm/ldap auth..but it is as yet untried..don't suppose derek has played with it?? > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Wednesday, January 12, 2005 at 9:03 AM +0000 wrote: > >http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LocalApps > > Ok....I went to the site above and Chuck has a nice write up, but I don't > use NIS....I use Samba/LDAP....can I do it with that? Is there a simpler > less secure way? > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From cliebow at downeast.net Wed Jan 12 17:07:14 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:07:14 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Built in New World Mac Thin Client support Message-ID: <200501121611.j0CGBdF29831@downeast.net> Jim: i have to get Bill c's 4.1 nfs mount to try i'll see if hes around.. chuck here a possibility that in the next release of LTSP we could get the > support for using iMacs as thin clients built in? From replies from > Chuck L. it sounds like this is now possible but takes a little work. > It would be awesome to get this configured out of the box for deployment > around my area. Every school currently has Bondi and other fruity > colored iMacs and the first question I get when talking about booting > old machines is "Can we use our current iMacs?", to which I answer very > carefully. I think this support built in would help "sell" the concept > tremendously. > > Eric, I know you have a ton going on without handling my problems, but > if you could get together with Chuck and get this integrated to the LTSP > package to the point that we could just network boot an iMac and > everything would magically work that would be great. > > Thanks, > > Jim Kronebusch > Cotter Tech Department > 507-453-5188 > jim at winonacotter.org > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Jan 12 17:06:44 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:06:44 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] I need to make Flash work faster....wanna pitch In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000f01c4f8c9$17c41d60$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> > I'm game to give this a try...in fact I can start with just > one for now....assuming security is not an issue in this > case....in other words let's not worry about private/public > keys and all that in this concept phase....how can I go about > setting this up? In my situation I basically would be best > served by having a dedicated server for FF/Flash. The > biggest issues arise when everyone in the lab is working on > FF/Flash....as for the rest of the building....they are few > and far between enough so that it's not as much of an issue. > Let me know and I'll get started! > Thanks for the help! This'll be fun! :-) Here is the link to Gavin's how to site for part 1 of setting up an app server. It has 5 parts. http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net/k12ltsp/appserverI.htm I think the reason for setting up the keys isn't as much for security but to avoid having to log in every time you run an app. It doesn't look like the whole process would take more than an hour to setup. His tutorials look awesome and the screen shots are excellent. I think I could even follow along :-) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Jan 12 17:10:33 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:10:33 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] I need to make Flash work faster....wanna pitch In-Reply-To: <1105544674.3946.17.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <001001c4f8c9$a00bcf60$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> > These are unrelated concepts. It is possible to network boot > a traditional 'fat' client that can be diskless or perhaps > only have a local swap file/partition. Apps load via NFS > from the server but run locally. Try, for example, booting a > knoppix CD on one machine and enabling its PXE server, then > let a client boot from it. The client will run everything > locally just like a CD boot. The main thing you need on the > client is a faster CPU and more RAM than for a thin client, > but if you are using PC's that used to run Win98, this should > work fine and scale to more clients per server. This clears some things up for me. I was under the assumption that "local apps" meant they were loaded on a local HD. I will have to give this more thought as I have some clients with wasted processing power and RAM, it would make sense to take some load off of the server and put that on the clients. Can you turn on local apps specific to each client based on their individual specs? Lets say I have 20 low end pc's that run everything from the server, but one or two are 1ghz+ with 512mb RAM and I want to run 3 or 4 apps locally on these. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Jan 12 17:15:04 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:15:04 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Built in New World Mac Thin Client support In-Reply-To: <200501121611.j0CGBdF29831@downeast.net> Message-ID: <001101c4f8ca$41bbb780$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> > Jim: i have to get Bill c's 4.1 nfs mount to try i'll see if > hes around.. chuck Thanks. I haven't had the chance to fully test the info you sent me last on this setup. But it seems like it would be so useful I would love to see it built right into K12LTSP instead of custom configured for a few lucky ones. Schools have been mac based for years and to allow them to easily take advantage of these machines I believe would help our cause tremendously. Even if it was an option that could be installed with something like "yum install mac-ltsp" or something. Then all PC setups wouldn't have to be cluttered with extra directories if they didn't want it. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From ramonklown at pop.com.br Wed Jan 12 17:28:42 2005 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:28:42 -0200 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] I need to make Flash work faster....wanna pitch In-Reply-To: <001001c4f8c9$a00bcf60$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <1105544674.3946.17.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <001001c4f8c9$a00bcf60$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <44517.200.218.176.26.1105550922.squirrel@popmail4.pop.com.br> The solutionyou proably want is opemosix (cluster of all your client pcs). It's a great solution in the theory of it. But putting it in practice has been a test. Peace, Ramon >> These are unrelated concepts. It is possible to network boot >> a traditional 'fat' client that can be diskless or perhaps >> only have a local swap file/partition. Apps load via NFS >> from the server but run locally. Try, for example, booting a >> knoppix CD on one machine and enabling its PXE server, then >> let a client boot from it. The client will run everything >> locally just like a CD boot. The main thing you need on the >> client is a faster CPU and more RAM than for a thin client, >> but if you are using PC's that used to run Win98, this should >> work fine and scale to more clients per server. > > This clears some things up for me. I was under the assumption that > "local apps" meant they were loaded on a local HD. I will have to give > this more thought as I have some clients with wasted processing power > and RAM, it would make sense to take some load off of the server and put > that on the clients. > > Can you turn on local apps specific to each client based on their > individual specs? Lets say I have 20 low end pc's that run everything > from the server, but one or two are 1ghz+ with 512mb RAM and I want to > run 3 or 4 apps locally on these. > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From les at futuresource.com Wed Jan 12 17:56:04 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:56:04 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] I need to make Flash work faster....wanna pitch In-Reply-To: <001001c4f8c9$a00bcf60$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001001c4f8c9$a00bcf60$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1105552564.3946.60.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-01-12 at 11:10, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > This clears some things up for me. I was under the assumption that > "local apps" meant they were loaded on a local HD. I will have to give > this more thought as I have some clients with wasted processing power > and RAM, it would make sense to take some load off of the server and put > that on the clients. > > Can you turn on local apps specific to each client based on their > individual specs? Lets say I have 20 low end pc's that run everything > from the server, but one or two are 1ghz+ with 512mb RAM and I want to > run 3 or 4 apps locally on these. X in general will let you run anything from anywhere either with it's own $DISPLAY concept or ssh forwarding. The hard part is deciding where the window manager should run and then getting the remote apps into the menu there. Maybe the menu launchers could be modified to use something in the environment to decide if a application should be run on the same machine as the WM, on an app server, or back as a local app on your client. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Wed Jan 12 18:01:18 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:01:18 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] I need to make Flash work faster....wanna pitch In-Reply-To: <44517.200.218.176.26.1105550922.squirrel@popmail4.pop.com.br> References: <1105544674.3946.17.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <001001c4f8c9$a00bcf60$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> <44517.200.218.176.26.1105550922.squirrel@popmail4.pop.com.br> Message-ID: <1105552878.3946.67.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-01-12 at 11:28, Ramon wrote: > The solutionyou proably want is opemosix (cluster of all your client pcs). It's a > great solution in the theory of it. But putting it in practice has been a test. I think what openmosix needs in the context of desktop clients is a way to designate a set of servers and only allow a process to run on your own client or one of the specified servers. That way you wouldn't risk having your processes run on someone else's desktop where they could accidentally bump the power button and lose your work. Or, run the most critical apps like openoffice from an app server like you would without mosix. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From nsinton at gmail.com Wed Jan 12 18:17:16 2005 From: nsinton at gmail.com (Nathan Sinton) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:17:16 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Mozilla hangs on Flash-enabled sites! In-Reply-To: <20050111112818.B94AA395E@mprdmxin.myway.com> References: <20050111112818.B94AA395E@mprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <2b06a1a05011210176f626355@mail.gmail.com> Are you using the symbiont workstation manager? I just installed that and I am having flash hang in Firefox. Symbiont replaces lts.conf but it does make a backup called lts.conf.symbiont.save.0. I don't know if it's connected but flash worked before I installed symbiont. On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 06:28:18 -0500 (EST), Rob Owens wrote: > > What are those "orbit" directories for, anyway? and which applications use them? I notice that when I do a tar backup, I get an output saying "orbit .... socket was ignored" many, many times. > > -Rob > > --- On Fri 01/07, Dave Prentice < prentice at instruction.com > wrote: > From: Dave Prentice [mailto: prentice at instruction.com] > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 19:35:09 -0600 > Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Mozilla hangs on Flash-enabled sites! > > Have you tried going to /tmp and deleting the contents of all the
orbit-XXX directories? I've had weird problems that disappeared after
doing that.
Dave Prentice
prentice at instruction.com

>Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 14:11:46 +0000
>From: dahopkins at comcast.net
>Subject: [K12OSN] Mozilla hangs on Flash-enabled sites!
>Over the Holidays, I upgraded my RH9 K12LTSP to LTSP 4.1. Since
then I have had numerous issues including users not able to log out
(gdm issue, but I have latest gdm rpm), accounts locking, screen
freezing, and now Mozilla hanging on flash-enabled sites. Also, some
of the thin clients will not even turn off. I have no idea what the
common thread is except for the LTSP 4.1 upgrade. At this point I
probably have no choice but to revert to LTSP 3 unless someone can
clue me in on what would cause these issues.
>Sincerely,
>Dave Hopkins




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> > _______________________________________________ > No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. > Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From robowens at myway.com Wed Jan 12 18:31:07 2005 From: robowens at myway.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:31:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] renaming IceWM "menu" file Message-ID: <20050112183107.BA4923A53@mprdmxin.myway.com> This is something I've been trying to work out on a non-LTSP system, but I think it might apply to some LTSP setups. The "personalized" menu file for IceWM is ~/.icewm/menu. Can I change this default? Here's my setup, which explains why I need to do this: Computer 1 is the main workstation. I have a ~/.icewm/menu file which gives me access to, among other things, OpenOffice. Computer 2 is an auxilliary workstation running its own operating system (both computers are running Linux, but they are not LTSP'd), and it shares a common /home directory with Computer 1 via NFS. Computer 2 is slow, however, so in order to run OpenOffice, I run it on Computer 1 via SSH (displaying on Computer 2). Currently I do this from the command line, but I would like to incorporate it into my IceWM menu. I can come up with the proper command to call which will SSH into Computer 1 and run OpenOffice all in one shot. But if I edit ~/.icewm/menu for Computer 2, I am also editing ~/.icewm/menu for Computer 1 because it is actually the same file (remember, my /home directory is shared by both computers). So the basic need I have is to tell IceWM on Computer 2 to not look to ~/.icewm/menu, but to another file, say ~/.icewm/menu2. Can this be done? Thanks for the help. -Rob _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From cliebow at downeast.net Wed Jan 12 18:45:08 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 18:45:08 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Built in New World Mac Thin Client support Message-ID: <200501121749.j0CHnXF15163@downeast.net> i think there is enough on the wiki to make it work..i will look chuck > > Jim: i have to get Bill c's 4.1 nfs mount to try i'll see if > > hes around.. chuck > > Thanks. I haven't had the chance to fully test the info you sent me > last on this setup. But it seems like it would be so useful I would > love to see it built right into K12LTSP instead of custom configured for > a few lucky ones. Schools have been mac based for years and to allow > them to easily take advantage of these machines I believe would help our > cause tremendously. Even if it was an option that could be installed > with something like "yum install mac-ltsp" or something. Then all PC > setups wouldn't have to be cluttered with extra directories if they > didn't want it. > > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Jan 12 18:57:13 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:57:13 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Built in New World Mac Thin Client support In-Reply-To: <200501121749.j0CHnXF15163@downeast.net> Message-ID: <001d01c4f8d8$8716a890$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> > i think there is enough on the wiki to make it work..i will look chuck Great. I took a quick look out there but couldn't find it. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From petre at maltzen.net Wed Jan 12 19:17:17 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:17:17 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] renaming IceWM "menu" file In-Reply-To: <20050112183107.BA4923A53@mprdmxin.myway.com> References: <20050112183107.BA4923A53@mprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <41E577BD.3000403@maltzen.net> Why not just have two items on your menu, one for running OOo locally, which you'd use when you're on Computer#1, and one that runs it remotely via ssh, which you'd click on when you're using Computer#2. Since you don't have users in this situation (just yourself, it sounds like) it shouldn't be too hard to remember which menu selection to use depending on which machine you're working on. Petre Rob Owens wrote: > This is something I've been trying to work out on a non-LTSP system, but I think it might apply to some LTSP setups. > > The "personalized" menu file for IceWM is ~/.icewm/menu. Can I change this default? Here's my setup, which explains why I need to do this: > > Computer 1 is the main workstation. I have a ~/.icewm/menu file which gives me access to, among other things, OpenOffice. Computer 2 is an auxilliary workstation running its own operating system (both computers are running Linux, but they are not LTSP'd), and it shares a common /home directory with Computer 1 via NFS. > > Computer 2 is slow, however, so in order to run OpenOffice, I run it on Computer 1 via SSH (displaying on Computer 2). Currently I do this from the command line, but I would like to incorporate it into my IceWM menu. I can come up with the proper command to call which will SSH into Computer 1 and run OpenOffice all in one shot. But if I edit ~/.icewm/menu for Computer 2, I am also editing ~/.icewm/menu for Computer 1 because it is actually the same file (remember, my /home directory is shared by both computers). > > So the basic need I have is to tell IceWM on Computer 2 to not look to ~/.icewm/menu, but to another file, say ~/.icewm/menu2. Can this be done? > > Thanks for the help. > > -Rob > > _______________________________________________ > No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. > Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From azrich at earthlink.net Wed Jan 12 20:12:15 2005 From: azrich at earthlink.net (Jim Rich) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:12:15 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] I need to make Flash work faster....wanna pitch In-Reply-To: <20050112154220.21395738ED@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050112154220.21395738ED@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: Petre Scheie worte: > ------------------------------ > Message: 8 > Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:22:54 -0600 > From: Petre Scheie > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] I need to make Flash work faster....wanna pitch > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Message-ID: <41E540CE.7070407 at maltzen.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > I was thinking the same thing. Since buying another big machine to > support > FF/Flash may not be possible, perhaps one could use a handful of smaller > machines. Then, in the script to call FF/Flash, you have some code that > says > 'if this script is being called from workstation 1 through 10, run > FF/Flash on > appserver1; if being called from workstation 11 through 20, run FF/Flash > on > appserver2' and so on. The downside is that workstations are tied to > specific > app servers, and if one of the app servers crashes, those workstations > won't > automatically switch to another app server. But...(thinks about it for a > moment)...in that same FF/Flash script you could have it check to make > sure its > primary app server is up; if yes, run it from there; if no, go to the > next app > server and repeat. I'm thinking something like this: > #!/bin/bash > case $DISPLAY in > ws001* ) > if ping -c 1 -w 1 appsrv1 > then > ssh appsrv1 firefox > elif ping -c 1 -w 1 appsrv2 > then > ssh appsrv2 firefox > elif ping -c 1 -w 1 appsrv3 > then > ssh appsrv3 firefox > fi > ;; > ws002* ) > if ping -c 1 -w 1 appsrv2 > then > ssh appsrv2 firefox > elif ping -c 1 -w 1 appsrv3 > then > ssh appsrv3 firefox > elif ping -c 1 -w 1 appsrv1 > then > ssh appsrv1 firefox > fi > ;; > esac > Someone should check my syntax with the case statement, but you get the > idea. > Note how the order of the app server changes depending on which > workstation the > request comes from. And on the app servers, you'd want to nfs-mount the > user's > home directories, which would include ~/.ssh/authorized_keys2 so users > can ssh > without needing to give a password and all the other things we've > discussed > regarding the setup of app servers. > Petre > Jim Kronebusch wrote: >>> Would it not make more sense to offload FF/Flash to a >>> dedicated app server? >> >> >> That sounds like a better solution to me. The whole local app thing >> seems to contradict what LTSP is trying to accomplish (no local HD's or >> moving parts, a "thin" client). I think Gavin Spurgeon (sorry for >> spelling) has a tutorial on setting this up that looks very simple >> (haven't actually done it myself yet). But the downside is I suppose >> the hardware for local apps is laying around but you most likely don't >> have another high end server. I wonder how much of a machine would be >> needed to just run a single app like FF/Flash for x amount of users. >> >> > ------------------------------ Would it be better to check which appserver has the LEAST cpu usage and use that server for the FF/Flash application. This would allow any workstation to use any appserver. It would also allow limits like (if cpu is 80% utilized then do not consider this appserver for the FF/Flash application). Just my penny's worth Jim Rich -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Wed Jan 12 20:31:11 2005 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:31:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Flash.... Message-ID: <1105561871.2827.1331.camel@phoenix.media.local> I've just noticed my flash is not working properly either (on my desktop or server). Whenever I right click, it says "About Macromedia Flash Player 5".... There have been some updates recently to glib, glibc, etc... any reason that might have broken the flash player? Henry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jjman86 at hotmail.com Wed Jan 12 20:33:47 2005 From: jjman86 at hotmail.com (lanaam ahosipenapetalon) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:33:47 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] (no subject) Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From microman at cmosnetworks.com Wed Jan 12 21:12:54 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:12:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41E592D6.3000007@cmosnetworks.com> lanaam ahosipenapetalon wrote: > I am setting up a thin client and i have workstation and a server. I > have configured everything and have a boot rom for my network card and > it will not detect the dhcp server. What settings should i change to > fix this? > Tell us more about your thin client. What kind of NIC? Also, is your server running firewall software? Is dhcpd running? One way you can test things is to try DHCP with a known working thick client. I typically use my laptop (running GNU/Linux, of course) to do this. --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From skossakoski at sau16.org Wed Jan 12 21:18:22 2005 From: skossakoski at sau16.org (Steve Kossakoski) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:18:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp client authentication with separate k12ltsp and smb/ldap boxes Message-ID: We got a Samba/LDAP server and a separate K12LTSP box up and running. We ran 'authconfig' on the K12LTSP box, and we configured it to authenticate to our Samba/LDAP server. Our test user was "art". We could log into a Windows client as "art". We could ssh into the Samba/LDAP server as "art". We could ssh into the K12LTSP server as "art". We could log into a K12LTSP client as "root". We COULD NOT log into a K12LTSP client as "art". FYI, we did the NFS mount of /home, though of course that doesn't have anything to do with authentication. Just now, I set up an identical test network here at home and I got the same results. I've poked around Google a bit but I haven't found anything that helps with exactly this problem. (I've found some how-tos on setting up LDAP clients in general but they primarily say "run authconfig", and the extra steps they prescribe actually break ssh access/authentication to the K12LTSP server, so THAT can't be right.) Does anyone here have any advice? It looks like everything is up and running fine, except that the LTSP clients themselves aren't authenticating to LDAP even though the K12LTSP server is. If I create a regular Unix user on the K12LTSP server that user can log into an LTSP client without a problem (and that's how root is able to log into a k12ltsp client). I don't yet have a clear understanding of how users of the LTSP clients authenticate at all, so I'm sure that's contributing to my confusion. It looks to me as if they authenticate using the UNIX passwd/shadow file of the k12ltsp server, and I'm not sure how to point the LTSP clients to the LDAP server instead. I tried messing with settings in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/nsswitch.conf, but it didn't seem to make any difference... (I copied /etc/nsswitch.conf to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ and rebooted a client - but to no avail.) My next thought was that I need an LDAP client installed in /opt/ltsp/i386/ for the LTSP clients - but nobody else has mentioned needing to do that, so there *must* be another answer... We will appreciate any advice you can provide! From trondrm at online.no Wed Jan 12 21:13:24 2005 From: trondrm at online.no (Trond =?iso-8859-1?q?M=E6hlum?=) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:13:24 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] USB Memory sticks + sound In-Reply-To: <37673.200.218.176.26.1105548476.squirrel@popmail4.pop.com.br> References: <010720051549.9475.41DEAF7C000BF5AA0000250322070029539C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> <37673.200.218.176.26.1105548476.squirrel@popmail4.pop.com.br> Message-ID: <200501122213.24968.trondrm@online.no> Has anyone been able to use usb memory sticks locally on a terminal? If so, is there a howto on the subject? I'm working on getting sound to work these days. I'll post my results. I'm getting close to making it work just the way I want to. I'll be back with more on this. Regards Trond M?hlum From cliebow at downeast.net Wed Jan 12 22:04:02 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:04:02 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp client authentication with separate k12ltsp and Message-ID: <200501122108.j0CL8PF15819@downeast.net> when you log in you are logging in as if you are sitting at the server..Should just work..Can you watch the logs and get an idea where things fail..btw what dm are you using..gdm??chuck > We got a Samba/LDAP server and a separate K12LTSP box up and running. > We ran 'authconfig' on the K12LTSP box, and we configured it to > authenticate to our Samba/LDAP server. > > Our test user was "art". > > We could log into a Windows client as "art". > We could ssh into the Samba/LDAP server as "art". > We could ssh into the K12LTSP server as "art". > We could log into a K12LTSP client as "root". > We COULD NOT log into a K12LTSP client as "art". > > FYI, we did the NFS mount of /home, though of course that doesn't have > anything to do with authentication. > > Just now, I set up an identical test network here at home and I got the > same results. I've poked around Google a bit but I haven't found > anything that helps with exactly this problem. (I've found some > how-tos on setting up LDAP clients in general but they primarily say > "run authconfig", and the extra steps they prescribe actually break ssh > access/authentication to the K12LTSP server, so THAT can't be > right.) > > Does anyone here have any advice? It looks like everything is up and > running fine, except that the LTSP clients themselves aren't > authenticating to LDAP even though the K12LTSP server is. > > If I create a regular Unix user on the K12LTSP server that user can log > into an LTSP client without a problem (and that's how root is able to > log into a k12ltsp client). > > I don't yet have a clear understanding of how users of the LTSP clients > authenticate at all, so I'm sure that's contributing to my confusion. > It looks to me as if they authenticate using the UNIX passwd/shadow > file of the k12ltsp server, and I'm not sure how to point the LTSP > clients to the LDAP server instead. I tried messing with settings in > /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/nsswitch.conf, but it didn't seem to make any > difference... > (I copied /etc/nsswitch.conf to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ and rebooted a > client - but to no avail.) > > My next thought was that I need an LDAP client installed in > /opt/ltsp/i386/ for the LTSP clients - but nobody else has mentioned > needing to do that, so there *must* be another answer... > > We will appreciate any advice you can provide! > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From ramonklown at pop.com.br Wed Jan 12 18:13:15 2005 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:13:15 -0200 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <41E592D6.3000007@cmosnetworks.com> References: <41E592D6.3000007@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <1656.200.165.115.216.1105553595.squirrel@popmail1.pop.com.br> try to see if there are already any dhcpd running at the switch or hub or whatever. on fedora: /sbin/service dhcpd restart if an error comes up probaly you need to change where your dhcpd is running to other ports or the other way around. Peace. > lanaam ahosipenapetalon wrote: > >> I am setting up a thin client and i have workstation and a server. I >> have configured everything and have a boot rom for my network card and >> it will not detect the dhcp server. What settings should i change to >> fix this? >> > > Tell us more about your thin client. What kind of NIC? Also, is your > server running firewall software? Is dhcpd running? > > One way you can test things is to try DHCP with a known working thick > client. I typically use my laptop (running GNU/Linux, of course) to do > this. > > > --TP > _____________________ > Do you GNU!? > Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it > out! > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From cliebow at downeast.net Wed Jan 12 22:41:48 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:41:48 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Built in New World Mac Thin Client support Message-ID: <200501122146.j0CLkBF21102@downeast.net> there is a tar file at http://169.244.180.190:81/apple.tar.gz 80 odd meg contains the kernel initrd yaboot.conf nfs file system..etc chuck > > i think there is enough on the wiki to make it work..i will look chuck > > Great. I took a quick look out there but couldn't find it. > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Jan 12 23:54:10 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 18:54:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp client authentication with separate k12ltsp and=?ISO-8859-1?Q? smb/ldap_?= boxes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, January 12, 2005 at 4:18 PM +0000 wrote: >FYI, we did the NFS mount of /home, though of course that doesn't have >anything to do with authentication. Steve...what's it telling you....no such user or no home directory? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Jan 12 23:54:10 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 18:54:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp client authentication with separate k12ltsp and=?ISO-8859-1?Q? smb/ldap_?= boxes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, January 12, 2005 at 4:18 PM +0000 wrote: >FYI, we did the NFS mount of /home, though of course that doesn't have >anything to do with authentication. Steve...what's it telling you....no such user or no home directory? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From les at futuresource.com Thu Jan 13 00:01:42 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 18:01:42 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp client authentication with separate k12ltsp and smb/ldap boxes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1105574501.4542.46.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-01-12 at 15:18, Steve Kossakoski wrote: > We could ssh into the K12LTSP server as "art". > We COULD NOT log into a K12LTSP client as "art". Are you talking about the graphic gdm login box on the client? That should really be coming from the k12ltsp server and should accept the same logins as ssh to the server. Or are you trying to log into a local shell on the client on a virtual console or through ssh to the client? > If I create a regular Unix user on the K12LTSP server that user can log > into an LTSP client without a problem (and that's how root is able to > log into a k12ltsp client). If you use SMB authentication you can check the password but not get account information - that is you need an entry for the user in the local /etc/passwd file but you don't have to match the password there. You may have the same effect with LDAP if it is not configured exactly right. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From carl at snarlnet.com Thu Jan 13 00:56:06 2005 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:56:06 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Question About Backuppc Message-ID: <41E5C726.8050207@snarlnet.com> Hi Les (or anyone else who'd care to answer), I thought I heard you say that you backed up your linux servers to your windows workstation with backuppc? This is what I'd like to do to, so I'm trying to verify that it's possible. The backuppc documentation that I've read so far says that you backup to a "server", so, what needs to be serverfied on my windows 2000 workstation for this to work? Can you give me a quick rundown of where I should start to backup my server to my workstation? Right now it's just a straight windows2k client. I don't have a win2k server license. Thanks, I hope my question is discernable, my brain seems to be quite fatigued at the moment. ck From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Jan 13 01:19:41 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:19:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Built in New World Mac Thin Client support In-Reply-To: <200501122146.j0CLkBF21102@downeast.net> References: <200501122146.j0CLkBF21102@downeast.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > there is a tar file at http://169.244.180.190:81/apple.tar.gz 80 odd meg > contains the kernel initrd yaboot.conf nfs file system..etc chuck Hey Chuck, Do you have a quick-and-dirty HOWTO on installing yaboot/kernel on the Macs? -Eric From twinprism at athena.physics.isu.edu Thu Jan 13 01:30:44 2005 From: twinprism at athena.physics.isu.edu (Ben Nickell) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 18:30:44 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] yum problem Message-ID: <41E5CF44.2070100@physics.isu.edu> Hi there, I am running k12ltsp on top of whitebox enterprise linux on one of my servers. When I try to run yum update, I get: ......Unable to satisfy dependencies Package k12ltsp-core needs ltsp_kernel_kitchen-sink, this is not available. # rpm -qa|grep ltsp_kernel_kitchen-sink ltsp_kernel_kitchen-sink-3.0-2.k12ltsp.2.3.0 Yum says this is installed and the latest version. I commented out all the repositories except k12ltsp, and still got this message, which I would expect, since they are both k12ltsp packages. Normally I could figure this out, but my brain is fried because it is first of the new semester here. Any suggestions? Thanks, Ben From les at futuresource.com Thu Jan 13 02:51:11 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:51:11 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Question About Backuppc In-Reply-To: <41E5C726.8050207@snarlnet.com> References: <41E5C726.8050207@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: <1105584670.31707.17.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-01-12 at 18:56, Carl Keil wrote: > Hi Les (or anyone else who'd care to answer), > > I thought I heard you say that you backed up your linux servers to your > windows workstation with backuppc? Not quite - I said my desktop machine but it happens to run linux also. > This is what I'd like to do to, so > I'm trying to verify that it's possible. Backuppc relies heavily on the hard link capability of unix filesystems. As far as I know, no one has made it work with windows as the server. > The backuppc documentation > that I've read so far says that you backup to a "server", so, what needs > to be serverfied on my windows 2000 workstation for this to work? Can > you give me a quick rundown of where I should start to backup my server > to my workstation? Right now it's just a straight windows2k client. I > don't have a win2k server license. If it has to that machine you'll have to add a drive and configure it to dual-boot and run backups at night or when you aren't there. If you can dig up a PC that can run Linux, all you need is the drive space. Depending on the number/size of the machines you back up you may need a reasonably fast CPU and some RAM so letting a desktop machine work at night makes sense. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From sudev at mantraonline.com Thu Jan 13 03:43:47 2005 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:13:47 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] renaming IceWM "menu" file In-Reply-To: <41E577BD.3000403@maltzen.net> References: <20050112183107.BA4923A53@mprdmxin.myway.com> <41E577BD.3000403@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1105587826.17593.2.camel@server.ltsp> On Thu, 2005-01-13 at 00:47, Petre Scheie wrote: > Why not just have two items on your menu, one for running OOo locally, which > you'd use when you're on Computer#1, and one that runs it remotely via ssh, > which you'd click on when you're using Computer#2. Since you don't have users > in this situation (just yourself, it sounds like) it shouldn't be too hard to > remember which menu selection to use depending on which machine you're working on. OR Create a launcher on your personal desktop on machine #2? The launcher will fire out same commands that you are using from command line. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Thu Jan 13 04:04:56 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:04:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp client authentication with separate k12ltsp and=?ISO-8859-1?Q? smb/ldap_?= box In-Reply-To: <1105574501.4542.46.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1105574501.4542.46.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: Steve I'm beginning to wonder if something is being firewalled on the server. When I set up mine I turn off all firewalling since my machine is not at all directly exposed to the outside world and I find it easier to turn it all off and then selectively add things back on if need be. Try turning off all security and see if that makes a difference. If you haven't added any users to the K12LTSP server (you shouldn't) and you can log in with Samba and ssh as "art"....then I'm thinking it's got to be something simple that simply preventing your entry. Having reinstalled my Samba/LDAP server back in November due to a stupid error (no data loss at all)....I can say if the how to is followed it simply works. Chuck Leibow also just posted a comment "it should just work". Matt is scripting based on the how-to....my preliminary tests show all is OK, but I have yet to authconfig another Linux box and log in against it....will try tomorrow....if I'm successful...then it's probably because of firewall....I never turn on the firewall when doing a Fedora install for testing....I disable it. Just an idea. "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, January 12, 2005 at 7:01 PM +0000 wrote: >On Wed, 2005-01-12 at 15:18, Steve Kossakoski wrote: > >> We could ssh into the K12LTSP server as "art". >> We COULD NOT log into a K12LTSP client as "art". > >Are you talking about the graphic gdm login box on the client? >That should really be coming from the k12ltsp server and should >accept the same logins as ssh to the server. Or are you trying >to log into a local shell on the client on a virtual console >or through ssh to the client? > >> If I create a regular Unix user on the K12LTSP server that user can log >> into an LTSP client without a problem (and that's how root is able to >> log into a k12ltsp client). > >If you use SMB authentication you can check the password but not get >account information - that is you need an entry for the user in >the local /etc/passwd file but you don't have to match the password >there. You may have the same effect with LDAP if it is not configured >exactly right. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From ramonklown at pop.com.br Thu Jan 13 10:46:02 2005 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:46:02 -0200 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp client authentication with separate k12ltsp andsmb/ldap boxes In-Reply-To: <1105574501.4542.46.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1105574501.4542.46.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <60983.201.8.4.7.1105613162.squirrel@popmail5.pop.com.br> I think he wants to boot via PXE and point to a local passwd file for login (So the students can login as administrator I guess). I think a smarter way would be to point to another passwd file so you won't have to buy a HD for each PC. I think he has a good point there, just don't know how you would go about doing it. I will leave it for the experts. Peace, Ramon > On Wed, 2005-01-12 at 15:18, Steve Kossakoski wrote: > >> We could ssh into the K12LTSP server as "art". >> We COULD NOT log into a K12LTSP client as "art". > > Are you talking about the graphic gdm login box on the client? > That should really be coming from the k12ltsp server and should > accept the same logins as ssh to the server. Or are you trying > to log into a local shell on the client on a virtual console > or through ssh to the client? > >> If I create a regular Unix user on the K12LTSP server that user can log >> into an LTSP client without a problem (and that's how root is able to >> log into a k12ltsp client). > > If you use SMB authentication you can check the password but not get > account information - that is you need an entry for the user in > the local /etc/passwd file but you don't have to match the password > there. You may have the same effect with LDAP if it is not configured > exactly right. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From robowens at myway.com Thu Jan 13 11:04:15 2005 From: robowens at myway.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 06:04:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] OT: best distro for laptop Message-ID: <20050113110415.C547439D0@mprdmxin.myway.com> I'm asking this off-topic question because I trust the opinions of those on this list. The laptop in question is my sister's. It's currently dual-booting Windows XP and Mandrake 10.0, but the wireless config under Windows ate itself. If I can get wireless working under Linux, that's what she'll use. Mandrake is on there just because it's my default choice, but I'm open to anything. In particular I'm looking for good power management tools. If the distro comes standard with them, great. Or if somebody could recommend an add-on package that will work w/ Mandrake or something else, that would be great too. I'd like perhaps to have an ever-present battery monitor. What else is important? (I don't own a laptop myself, so I don't really know what to ask for). Thanks for the suggestions. -Rob _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From robowens at myway.com Thu Jan 13 11:50:43 2005 From: robowens at myway.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 06:50:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] renaming IceWM Message-ID: <20050113115043.7F07B3991@mprdmxin.myway.com> What's a launcher? Is it like another submenu or something? -Rob --- On Wed 01/12, Sudev Barar < sudev at mantraonline.com > wrote: From: Sudev Barar [mailto: sudev at mantraonline.com] To: k12osn at redhat.com Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:13:47 +0530 Subject: Re: [K12OSN] renaming IceWM "menu" file On Thu, 2005-01-13 at 00:47, Petre Scheie wrote:
> Why not just have two items on your menu, one for running OOo locally, which
> you'd use when you're on Computer#1, and one that runs it remotely via ssh,
> which you'd click on when you're using Computer#2. Since you don't have users
> in this situation (just yourself, it sounds like) it shouldn't be too hard to
> remember which menu selection to use depending on which machine you're working on.
OR
Create a launcher on your personal desktop on machine #2?
The launcher will fire out same commands that you are using from command
line.
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Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Jan 13 12:12:34 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:12:34 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Built in New World Mac Thin Client support Message-ID: <200501131116.j0DBGrE21031@downeast.net> eric: there is one on wiki under cpu architecture.. tarball at 169.244.180.190:81/apple.tar.gz.. be nice yo get the new filesystem from bill cavalieri,,but this seems fine..actually i inadvertenly pointed to skip gaeds nfsmount and that worked near perfectly too,sdave fro abberent mouse after first logout.. i dont understans the spacing in dhcpd.conf but it works..chuck > On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > > > there is a tar file at http://169.244.180.190:81/apple.tar.gz 80 odd meg > > contains the kernel initrd yaboot.conf nfs file system..etc chuck > > Hey Chuck, > > Do you have a quick-and-dirty HOWTO on installing yaboot/kernel on > the Macs? > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Jan 13 12:16:23 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:16:23 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp client authentication with separate k12ltsp Message-ID: <200501131120.j0DBKgE21364@downeast.net> if we could get chris j to help the ldap auth shouldnt be too bad..the thin client would nedd /etc/ldap.conf set up properly .you wouldnt need the ltsp.schema to set parameters for thin client yest..ill read ragnars notes again today and send you a copy if possible..chuck --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From mellax at pm.ee Thu Jan 13 13:51:10 2005 From: mellax at pm.ee (mella) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 15:51:10 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] mozilla-j2re and yum (solved) In-Reply-To: <20050105134035.2CE2A735F7@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050105134035.2CE2A735F7@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <41E67CCE.3090000@pm.ee> Problem solved. I removed all jre* and j2re* packets included mozilla-j2re and installed java again with get.java. Maybe mozilla-jre was already there before updating old installation. ============ HI try here new 4.2.0 and I have some mozilla/java/yum problems. After update from 4.0.1 I cannot "yum update" because of mozilla-j2re. If I use j2re package j2re-1.4.2-11.1.fc3.rf.i586.rpm then yum update give: ========= Resolving Dependencies --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. ---> Package j2re.i586 0:1.4.2_05-fcs set to be updated --> Running transaction check --> Processing Dependency: j2re= 1.4.2 for package: mozilla-j2re --> Finished Dependency Resolution Error: missing dep: j2re for pkg mozilla-j2re ======= If I use j2re-1.4.2_05-fcs then I cannot install mozilla-j2re and if I install mozilla-j2re with --nodeps then firefox crashes. I have no ideas how to update system without uninstalling mozilla-j2re From dahopkins at comcast.net Thu Jan 13 14:17:46 2005 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:17:46 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] renaming IceWM Message-ID: <011320051417.23849.41E6830A0008DB4500005D2922007481849C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> A launcher is the Linux functional equivalent of a MS Shortcut. it is just a text file that can be edited manually, or I think you can 'right click' on the desktop and select create launcher, then edit the file to add the appropriate command to launch. A couple of quick links that discuss them (gnome specific) http://www.fifi.org/doc/gnome-users-guide/html/gnome-users-guide/C/launchers.html or http://www.linuxforum.com/gnome/gospanel-16.html Sincerely, Dave Hopkins -------------- Original message -------------- > > What's a launcher? Is it like another submenu or something? > > -Rob > > --- On Wed 01/12, Sudev Barar < sudev at mantraonline.com > wrote: > From: Sudev Barar [mailto: sudev at mantraonline.com] > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:13:47 +0530 > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] renaming IceWM "menu" file > > On Thu, 2005-01-13 at 00:47, Petre Scheie wrote: > Why not just have two > items on your menu, one for running OOo locally, which > you'd use when > you're on Computer#1, and one that runs it remotely via ssh, > which you'd > click on when you're using Computer#2. Since you don't have users > in this > situation (just yourself, it sounds like) it shouldn't be too hard to > > remember which menu selection to use depending on which machine you're working > on. OR Create a launcher on your personal desktop on machine #2? 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URL: From gentgeen at linuxmail.org Thu Jan 13 14:25:17 2005 From: gentgeen at linuxmail.org (Kevin Squire) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:25:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: best distro for laptop In-Reply-To: <20050113110415.C547439D0@mprdmxin.myway.com> References: <20050113110415.C547439D0@mprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <20050113092517.4c8dd90f@linuxbox> Dear Rob, I know I have become very bias, but I would have to suggest a Debian based system (and closer to Debian core the better ). I just grew to dislike the RPM based ones. The thing I saw as Mandrake's strength was the newbie friendliness it had (may still, but have not looked at it for a while) with the hardware detection, eye-candy etc. But with the advent of Morphix, Mephis, Ubuntu (sp), and others, I think this is disappearing. I would personally suggest Mephis or Ubuntu. I already have a non-techie, Windows Convert using Mephis, and I have not had to help her out at all after the initial install/demo kind of thing. I like Ubuntu because of its "closeness" to Debian. Doing an apt-get update && apt-get upgrade won't break the system. I also just read an article at distrowatch( http://distrowatch.com/review-kanotix ) that might be right up your alley. Good luck, Kevin On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 06:04:15 -0500 (EST) "Rob Owens" wrote: > > I'm asking this off-topic question because I trust the opinions of > those on this list. The laptop in question is my sister's. It's > currently dual-booting Windows XP and Mandrake 10.0, but the wireless > config under Windows ate itself. If I can get wireless working under > Linux, that's what she'll use. Mandrake is on there just because it's > my default choice, but I'm open to anything. > > In particular I'm looking for good power management tools. If the > distro comes standard with them, great. Or if somebody could > recommend an add-on package that will work w/ Mandrake or something > else, that would be great too. I'd like perhaps to have an > ever-present battery monitor. What else is important? (I don't own a > laptop myself, so I don't really know what to ask for). > > Thanks for the suggestions. > > -Rob > > _______________________________________________ > No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. > Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From tkaldahl at maplewoodacademy.org Thu Jan 13 16:38:08 2005 From: tkaldahl at maplewoodacademy.org (Tim Kaldahl) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:38:08 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: best distro for laptop In-Reply-To: <20050113110415.C547439D0@mprdmxin.myway.com> References: <20050113110415.C547439D0@mprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <200501130838.08893.tkaldahl@maplewoodacademy.org> On Thursday 13 January 2005 03:04, Rob Owens wrote: > I'm asking this off-topic question because I trust the opinions of those on > this list. The laptop in question is my sister's. It's currently > dual-booting Windows XP and Mandrake 10.0, but the wireless config under > Windows ate itself. If I can get wireless working under Linux, that's what > she'll use. Mandrake is on there just because it's my default choice, but > I'm open to anything. > > In particular I'm looking for good power management tools. If the distro > comes standard with them, great. Or if somebody could recommend an add-on > package that will work w/ Mandrake or something else, that would be great > too. I'd like perhaps to have an ever-present battery monitor. What else > is important? (I don't own a laptop myself, so I don't really know what to > ask for). > > Thanks for the suggestions. > > -Rob > > _______________________________________________ > No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. > Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see I personally am running with both Vector Linux and Xandros (community edition) on my laptop. The Xandros was easier to install, but I prefer the Vector Linux SOHO package. Xandros installed on both my Compaq Presario 720 and my Toshiba A15-S127. Both recognized my D-Link wireless card, but I had to provide ssid and such under Xandros. Vector automatically connects and obtains an address via DHCP. My access points are unprotected however, so I don't know how Vector would perform under WEP. With FC2 on my Compaq I also had to manually configure ssid and the rest. Xandros does seem to have some pretty good power management, I haven't worried about it with Vector. (Vector's apm monitor does seem to work on an old Acer laptop, but that is pure experimentation) I still consider myself an absolute newb with Linux, so take this for what it is worth and I hope that it helps. Tim Kaldahl Maplewood Academy I.T. Coordinator From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Jan 13 14:52:52 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:52:52 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Built in New World Mac Thin Client support In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000801c4f97f$8e89e0e0$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> > Hey Chuck, > > Do you have a quick-and-dirty HOWTO on installing yaboot/kernel on > the Macs? > > -Eric Eric, Below is all of the information Chuck provided me last time this issue came up. I have not had the chance to get this to work yet but you could probably make more sense of this than myself. The text below is just a quick cut and paste somewhat in sequence of our emails. I think from it you should be able to extract the procedure. In one reply to Chuck I made an attempt at a procedure summary as you can see towards the bottom. Thanks again for your efforts. ----------------------------------------- Jim: i am netbooting four diff apples with openfirmware bases directly yo ltsp..what it takes is the /opt/ltsp/ppc folder which is a tar file billc created...and the contents of his tftpboot folder..plus a tweak in dhcp to pass option 43.. i will switch machines and try to give you a url if you are interested..chuck this the nfs file system and contents of tftpboot plus i think a working dhcpd.conf..chuck i do cmd-option o f to go into openfirmware then at ok> prompt type boot enet:192.168.0.1 once that works you can change startup disk to network and let er rip..chuck > > easy..i se everything is in the one big file..the > > ltsp-ppc.tar.gz should look like /opt/lts/pcc when you are > > done.. dhcp is on port 67..take the pieces you need and add > > them to your dhcpd.conf..the option routers is important..and > > that funny looking option > > > > and that funny looking encapsulated stuff > > > > so apple first downloads yaboot from /tftpboot-which download > > yaboot.conf which specifies kernel and initrd names--which > > downloads kernel and initrd which then nfs mounts the > > filesystem.. so you need yaboot yaboot.conf kernel and initrd > > in /tftpboot..notice that for whatever reason the full > > pathname is specified in yaboot.conf.. use the ip of your > > server from openfirmware (not mine 8~)) > > chuck > > > Okay. So I'll simply expand ltsp-ppc.tar.gz to /opt/ltsp/ppc > > Then put the following files from apple.tar.gz into /tftpboot > yaboot > yaboot.conf > vmlinux-ppc-2.4.22-ltsp-1 > initrd-ppc-2.4.22-ltsp-1 > > Then replace my existing dhcpd.conf with the following one included in > apple.tar.gz (with all refs to 192.168.0.1 changed to my server IP). > > I imagine that if I replaced my ifcfg-eth0 with your file I could > leave dhcpd.conf alone? > > Then do I need to do anything with exports and hosts files? > > Once done just reboot my mac clients with "cmd+option+o+f", type boot > enet:ser.ver.add.ress at the command and I will be running a true thin > client out of any new world Mac. > > Can I remove the HD's from these machines just like I would with a > standard thin? > > Will this LTSP server still boot i386 machines when finished or just > macs? i just threw all my confs in when i got it working in philly..might need a hosts reference to keep nfs happy..exports should be such that nfs can export /opt/ltsp/whatever.. might need to check perms..i believe you can use same box for i386 andd ppc..i used to with the nubus.. might want to put that encapsulated stuff in a specific host in dhcpd.conf but i am pretty sure i386 ignores it...best of luck..and lemme know how it comes out..you might need to try a couple different video card designations in lts.conf..bill-xc says some may need glx mopdule loaded...chuck -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Thu Jan 13 15:23:43 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:23:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] ltsp client authentication with separate k12ltsp=?ISO-8859-1?Q? andsmb/ldap_?= boxe In-Reply-To: <60983.201.8.4.7.1105613162.squirrel@popmail5.pop.com.br> References: <60983.201.8.4.7.1105613162.squirrel@popmail5.pop.com.br> Message-ID: Everyone is getting confused....I'm familiar with what he's trying to do....he's trying to implement the Samba/LDAP as outlined in my how to at http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/Samba-LDAP.pdf We're also working with scripting the whole Samba/LDAP install. Done correctly....it just works. My suspicion is that something is firewalled off. Samba/LDAP is an excellent method for centralized authentication and if it's set up right....all you do is set up authconfig with the correct values (see the how-to) and away you go. All the users and home dirs live on the Samba/LDAP server. "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, January 13, 2005 at 5:46 AM +0000 wrote: >I think he wants to boot via PXE and point to a local passwd file for >login (So the >students can login as administrator I guess). >I think a smarter way would be to point to another passwd file so you >won't have to >buy a HD for each PC. > >I think he has a good point there, just don't know how you would go about >doing it. >I will leave it for the experts. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From SelzlerB at esuhsd.org Thu Jan 13 15:47:25 2005 From: SelzlerB at esuhsd.org (Selzler, Bruce) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 07:47:25 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Configuring Workstations Views and Defaults Message-ID: <0F900389C3BCBF4D98226694DBE963F209E887D8@ECMAIL1.esuhsd.org> Hello Team, I am trying to find information on how to "customize" the LTSP server so that I can control default settings that the users at the workstations see when they log on. For example, I would like to be able to set a default home page in Firefox. A default set of bookmarks. A default desktop, Etc. I've looked through the documentation and the FAQ, but I'm not seeing anything like this. Unless the language is just over my head. Is there a quick a dirty document that identifies stuff like this? I suspect there are others that would be interested as well. Thanks. - Sez ********************************************* Bruce Selzler Digital High School Resource Teacher http://homepage.mac.com/sez selzlerb at esuhsd.org sez at mac.com office:(408) 347.4936 cell: (408) 893.6161 mobile msg: 4088936161 at mobile.att.net ************************************************ From SelzlerB at esuhsd.org Thu Jan 13 15:49:34 2005 From: SelzlerB at esuhsd.org (Selzler, Bruce) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 07:49:34 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] "Ghost" for Linux? Message-ID: <0F900389C3BCBF4D98226694DBE963F209E887D9@ECMAIL1.esuhsd.org> Hello Team, Is there an open source "Ghost Like" tool for Linux? I would like to be able to image drives quickly and easily. Thanks. - Sez From petre at maltzen.net Thu Jan 13 15:55:52 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:55:52 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: best distro for laptop In-Reply-To: <200501130838.08893.tkaldahl@maplewoodacademy.org> References: <20050113110415.C547439D0@mprdmxin.myway.com> <200501130838.08893.tkaldahl@maplewoodacademy.org> Message-ID: <41E69A08.7060206@maltzen.net> I second the vote for Xandros. I've got Mandrake 9.x on a Dell Latitude (CPx, I think), which I installed about a year and a half ago. It works fine with the Cisco wireless card I have, but I could never get it to work with any others like SMC, D-Link or some Realktek-based cards. On two other Dells (a CPx and a CPi) I put Xandros on, and it has seen every card I put in (be sure you do the Update System under Xandros Networks). And it has a nice graphical indicator of the how much charge is left in the battery. I'd switch the Mandrake to Xandros, but it's my wife's laptop and since it's not broken, she won't let me fix it. ;-) I haven't looked at Mandrake 10 yet--I have the disks, I'm a long-time Mandrake Club member,just haven't had the time--so it may have gotten better about detecting various wireless cards. But I also think, for a non-technical newbie such as you sister, the Xandros Network tool, which provides a click-and-install-it software service (most packages are free, but there are some you have to sign up for their pay-service to get), is a real gem. And I think the Xandros file manager is the best bar none, as it automatically finds all Windows shares AND NFS shares. And it's Debian-based. Petre Tim Kaldahl wrote: > On Thursday 13 January 2005 03:04, Rob Owens wrote: > >>I'm asking this off-topic question because I trust the opinions of those on >>this list. The laptop in question is my sister's. It's currently >>dual-booting Windows XP and Mandrake 10.0, but the wireless config under >>Windows ate itself. If I can get wireless working under Linux, that's what >>she'll use. Mandrake is on there just because it's my default choice, but >>I'm open to anything. >> >>In particular I'm looking for good power management tools. If the distro >>comes standard with them, great. Or if somebody could recommend an add-on >>package that will work w/ Mandrake or something else, that would be great >>too. I'd like perhaps to have an ever-present battery monitor. What else >>is important? (I don't own a laptop myself, so I don't really know what to >>ask for). >> >>Thanks for the suggestions. >> >>-Rob >> >>_______________________________________________ >>No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. >>Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see > > > I personally am running with both Vector Linux and Xandros (community edition) > on my laptop. The Xandros was easier to install, but I prefer the Vector > Linux SOHO package. Xandros installed on both my Compaq Presario 720 and my > Toshiba A15-S127. Both recognized my D-Link wireless card, but I had to > provide ssid and such under Xandros. Vector automatically connects and > obtains an address via DHCP. My access points are unprotected however, so I > don't know how Vector would perform under WEP. With FC2 on my Compaq I also > had to manually configure ssid and the rest. Xandros does seem to have some > pretty good power management, I haven't worried about it with Vector. > (Vector's apm monitor does seem to work on an old Acer laptop, but that is > pure experimentation) > > I still consider myself an absolute newb with Linux, so take this for what it > is worth and I hope that it helps. > > Tim Kaldahl > Maplewood Academy > I.T. Coordinator > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From adammelancon at gmail.com Thu Jan 13 15:58:28 2005 From: adammelancon at gmail.com (Adam Melancon) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:58:28 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] "Ghost" for Linux? In-Reply-To: <0F900389C3BCBF4D98226694DBE963F209E887D9@ECMAIL1.esuhsd.org> References: <0F900389C3BCBF4D98226694DBE963F209E887D9@ECMAIL1.esuhsd.org> Message-ID: <48928761050113075880ef841@mail.gmail.com> http://www.partimage.org/ On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 07:49:34 -0800, Selzler, Bruce wrote: > Hello Team, > > Is there an open source "Ghost Like" tool for Linux? I would like to be > able to image drives quickly and easily. Thanks. > > - Sez > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Adam Melancon Work: http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us Personal: http://www.melancon.org From henryhartley at westat.com Thu Jan 13 16:04:59 2005 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:04:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] yum.cron question Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F075A5B6A@remail2.westat.com> In /etc/cron.daily/yum.cron, I have the following: #!/bin/sh if [ -f /var/lock/subsys/yum ]; then /usr/bin/yum -R 10 -e 0 -d 0 -y update yum /usr/bin/yum -R 120 -e 0 -d 0 -y update fi It doesn't seem to be doing anything (i.e. a daily yum update is happening). My question (which I feel stupid for asking) is, isn't the logic of the "if" statement backwards? Shouldn't yum run if there is NO lockfile? What am I missing? -- Henry From les at futuresource.com Thu Jan 13 16:04:34 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:04:34 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: best distro for laptop In-Reply-To: <20050113110415.C547439D0@mprdmxin.myway.com> References: <20050113110415.C547439D0@mprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <1105632274.14352.8.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2005-01-13 at 05:04, Rob Owens wrote: > I'm asking this off-topic question because I trust the opinions of those on this list. The laptop in question is my sister's. It's currently dual-booting Windows XP and Mandrake 10.0, but the wireless config under Windows ate itself. If I can get wireless working under Linux, that's what she'll use. Mandrake is on there just because it's my default choice, but I'm open to anything. > > In particular I'm looking for good power management tools. If the distro comes standard with them, great. Or if somebody could recommend an add-on package that will work w/ Mandrake or something else, that would be great too. I'd like perhaps to have an ever-present battery monitor. What else is important? (I don't own a laptop myself, so I don't really know what to ask for). The distributions tend to leapfrog each other, so the 'best' is likely to be whoever has the most recent release. I'd try FC3 first (or install from the k12ltsp 4.2 set) and only switch if it is missing something you really need. Gnome has battery monitor applet and a wifi signal monitor you can add to the task bar - I haven't looked at the other WM's. If you already work with k12ltsp/fedora you'll only have to find one repository for extra stuff and updates. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Jan 13 16:14:00 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:14:00 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] "Ghost" for Linux? In-Reply-To: <48928761050113075880ef841@mail.gmail.com> References: <0F900389C3BCBF4D98226694DBE963F209E887D9@ECMAIL1.esuhsd.org> <48928761050113075880ef841@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41E69E48.5020105@paasda.org> g4u someone mentioned this week. I'm still struggle'n with my backuppc attempts, and not sure how 'ghost-like' it is or isn't. --Huck Adam Melancon wrote: >http://www.partimage.org/ > > >On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 07:49:34 -0800, Selzler, Bruce wrote: > > >>Hello Team, >> >>Is there an open source "Ghost Like" tool for Linux? I would like to be >>able to image drives quickly and easily. Thanks. >> >>- Sez >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > > > > From austinsr at uindy.edu Thu Jan 13 16:08:51 2005 From: austinsr at uindy.edu (Shawn Austin) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:08:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] "Ghost" for Linux? In-Reply-To: <0F900389C3BCBF4D98226694DBE963F209E887D9@ECMAIL1.esuhsd.org> References: <0F900389C3BCBF4D98226694DBE963F209E887D9@ECMAIL1.esuhsd.org> Message-ID: <1105632531.4203.3.camel@austinsr-2.wireless.uindy.edu> http://freshmeat.net/projects/g4l Ghost4Linux On Thu, 2005-01-13 at 07:49 -0800, Selzler, Bruce wrote: > Hello Team, > > Is there an open source "Ghost Like" tool for Linux? I would like to be > able to image drives quickly and easily. Thanks. > > - Sez > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Shawn Austin From david at okgoodwill.org Thu Jan 13 16:26:08 2005 From: david at okgoodwill.org (David H. Barr) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:26:08 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] "Ghost" for Linux? Message-ID: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E282050A11@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> I'd steer away from the Ghost for Linux project. There has apparently been a bit of controversy between the g4u (which works with Linux anyhoo) and g4l projects. Without judging personally, it appears that at some point the g4l people borrowed liberally from the g4u codebase -without- proper attribution or maintaining the copyright notices. Having not compared the code line by line myself, I can't say for certain. But the g4u project works, and there is no suspicion of taint there. -dhbarr. PS: http://www.feyrer.de/g4u/g4l.html is a link to the code comparison done by the author of Ghost for Unix. Around Thursday, January 13, 2005 10:09 AM, Shawn Austin (mailto:austinsr at uindy.edu) wrote: > http://freshmeat.net/projects/g4l > Ghost4Linux > On Thu, 2005-01-13 at 07:49 -0800, Selzler, Bruce wrote: >> Hello Team, >> >> Is there an open source "Ghost Like" tool for Linux? I would like >> to be able to image drives quickly and easily. Thanks. >> >> - Sez >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Thu Jan 13 16:24:49 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:24:49 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] "Ghost" for Linux? In-Reply-To: <1105632531.4203.3.camel@austinsr-2.wireless.uindy.edu> References: <0F900389C3BCBF4D98226694DBE963F209E887D9@ECMAIL1.esuhsd.org> <1105632531.4203.3.camel@austinsr-2.wireless.uindy.edu> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I think g4l is a ripoff of g4u, caused some controversy a while back. On Jan 13, 2005, at 10:08 AM, Shawn Austin wrote: > http://freshmeat.net/projects/g4l > Ghost4Linux > On Thu, 2005-01-13 at 07:49 -0800, Selzler, Bruce wrote: >> Hello Team, >> >> Is there an open source "Ghost Like" tool for Linux? I would like to >> be >> able to image drives quickly and easily. Thanks. >> >> - Sez >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > -- > Shawn Austin > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkHmoNEACgkQfqZR3ThMfXSzdgCdHmAkSpoIZc/RR0/fPKeNmpbE b1AAn1TeOybd0iEug8sCiRPzFweUjh7+ =+L++ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From les at futuresource.com Thu Jan 13 16:39:21 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:39:21 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] "Ghost" for Linux? In-Reply-To: <0F900389C3BCBF4D98226694DBE963F209E887D9@ECMAIL1.esuhsd.org> References: <0F900389C3BCBF4D98226694DBE963F209E887D9@ECMAIL1.esuhsd.org> Message-ID: <1105634360.14352.32.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2005-01-13 at 09:49, Selzler, Bruce wrote: > Hello Team, > > Is there an open source "Ghost Like" tool for Linux? I would like to be > able to image drives quickly and easily. Thanks. I don't think any of the tools know how to resize partitions on the target like Ghost does. If the disks are identical you can just boot a knoppix CD and use dd to copy the whole drive (pipe through ssh if the target is on another box). However it really isn't that hard to fdisk some partitions that approximately match, format them, and extract tar images into them. That way the destination drive/partitions don't have to match in size. There are a few tricks: you have to fix the /etc/fstab entries to match the new partition names or labels, and you have to make the new system bootable. The easy way is to boot an install CD, let it mount the system under /mnt/sysimage, chroot there and run 'grub-install'. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From caldodge at fpcc.net Thu Jan 13 17:02:50 2005 From: caldodge at fpcc.net (Calvin Dodge) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:02:50 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] yum.cron question In-Reply-To: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F075A5B6A@remail2.westat.com> References: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F075A5B6A@remail2.westat.com> Message-ID: <20050113170250.GA20588@perth.fpcc.net> On Thu, Jan 13, 2005 at 11:04:59AM -0500, Henry Hartley wrote: > > In /etc/cron.daily/yum.cron, I have the following: > > #!/bin/sh > > if [ -f /var/lock/subsys/yum ]; then > /usr/bin/yum -R 10 -e 0 -d 0 -y update yum > /usr/bin/yum -R 120 -e 0 -d 0 -y update > fi > > It doesn't seem to be doing anything (i.e. a daily yum update is happening). > My question (which I feel stupid for asking) is, isn't the logic of the "if" > statement backwards? Shouldn't yum run if there is NO lockfile? What am I > missing? That lock isn't set by yum. It's set by "/etc/init.d/yum start", since it's a flag to tell yum "do updates", rather than a lock telling yum "another instance is running". Look at the first 25 lines of /etc/init.d/yum, and all will become clear. Meanwhile, yum may have hung. Do a "ps auxww|grep yum". If you see a yum process there (usually starting with "/usr/bin/python") kill it, then try running yum manually to catch up with the latest security updates. Calvin -- Calvin Dodge Certified Linux Bigot (tm) http://www.caldodge.fpcc.net From henryhartley at westat.com Thu Jan 13 17:11:05 2005 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:11:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] yum.cron question Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F075A5B6E@remail2.westat.com> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Calvin Dodge >> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 12:03 PM >> >> On Thu, Jan 13, 2005 at 11:04:59AM -0500, Henry Hartley wrote: >> > In /etc/cron.daily/yum.cron, I have the following: >> > >> That lock isn't set by yum. It's set by "/etc/init.d/yum start", >> since it's a flag to tell yum "do updates", rather than a lock telling >> yum "another instance is running". >> >> Look at the first 25 lines of /etc/init.d/yum, and all will become >> clear. Ah, yes, now I see. >> Meanwhile, yum may have hung. Do a "ps auxww|grep yum". If you see a >> yum process there (usually starting with "/usr/bin/python") kill it, >> then try running yum manually to catch up with the latest security >> updates. The problem was that the there was no symlink in /etc/rc.d/rc3.d to the yum script. Without that, there was no /var/lock/subsys/yum and the cron job just did nothing (as it was intended). I suppose that's a reasonable default. I manually ran "yum update" to get caught up, ran "/etc/init.d/yum start" and created a S98yum symlink. Thanks for your time. -- Henry From schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us Thu Jan 13 16:15:00 2005 From: schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us (Jimmy Schwankl) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:15:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: "Ghost" for Linux? In-Reply-To: <20050113155841.2D61073BCF@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050113155841.2D61073BCF@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <46616E55-657E-11D9-B40C-000A95C48860@chatham.k12.nc.us> On Jan 13, 2005, at 10:58 AM, Sez wrote: > Is there an open source "Ghost Like" tool for Linux? I would like to > be > able to image drives quickly and easily. Here are two: G4U - Ghost 4 Unix - http://rfhs8012.fh-regensburg.de/~feyrer/g4u/ and UPDCast - http://udpcast.linux.lu/ I've used both with success. The G4U will let you do HD to HD copies as well as pull of push images over the network. UDPCast will just do the network stuff. Peace, Jimmy **This message was sent from the Chatham County Schools Mail Server** *****All e-mail correspondence to and from this address is subject to the North Carolina Public Records Law, which may result in monitoring and disclosure to third parties, including law enforcement.***** From big at santaz.dk Thu Jan 13 17:18:46 2005 From: big at santaz.dk (Jesper Berth) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:18:46 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] App Server (Was: I need to make Flash work faster....wanna pitch) In-Reply-To: <000f01c4f8c9$17c41d60$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000f01c4f8c9$17c41d60$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1105636726.7912.7.camel@bigsanta.berthit> Just tried the app server howto from my laptop to my workstation, and it works, though my 54Mbit Wireless are to slow to handle OpenOffice, the 100Mbit Ethernet did it much better but how will it go when i run with 10~15 klients against this appserver?? Will i need to go for 1Gbit to the AppServer?? I can see on the "Server" that sshd utillisizes 5-7% cputime when i open a menu in oowriter will it end as a bottlenec?? The howTo http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net/k12ltsp/appserverI.htm Cheers Jesper Berth Denmark -- Jesper Berth From les at futuresource.com Thu Jan 13 17:18:39 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:18:39 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] yum.cron question In-Reply-To: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F075A5B6E@remail2.westat.com> References: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F075A5B6E@remail2.westat.com> Message-ID: <1105636718.14352.41.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2005-01-13 at 11:11, Henry Hartley wrote: > The problem was that the there was no symlink in /etc/rc.d/rc3.d to the yum > script. Without that, there was no /var/lock/subsys/yum and the cron job > just did nothing (as it was intended). I suppose that's a reasonable > default. I manually ran "yum update" to get caught up, ran "/etc/init.d/yum > start" and created a S98yum symlink. Thanks for your time. The generic way to set up the service symlinks is: chkconfig --add service_name (install according to hints in the file) chkconfig --list service name (check settings) chkconfig --level digits service_name on|off (adjust) -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Jan 13 17:32:17 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:32:17 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] App Server (Was: I need to make Flash work faster....wannapitch) In-Reply-To: <1105636726.7912.7.camel@bigsanta.berthit> Message-ID: <001901c4f995$d4434c00$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> > Just tried the app server howto from my laptop to my > workstation, and it works, though my 54Mbit Wireless are to > slow to handle OpenOffice, the 100Mbit Ethernet did it much > better but how will it go when i run with 10~15 klients > against this appserver?? Will i need to go for 1Gbit to the > AppServer?? > > I can see on the "Server" that sshd utillisizes 5-7% cputime > when i open a menu in oowriter will it end as a bottlenec?? > > The howTo > http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net/k12ltsp/appserverI.htm Look into using Intel Pro NIC's and adaptor teaming. Whether you are using 1GB or 100MB NIC's this should be helpful in releaving future network bottlenecks to the server. I run on my server Intel Pro 1000's with ALB teaming if at all possible. It will take a little messing around the first time to figure out the process but isn't too bad after that. As far as I know the amount of NIC's you can team is endless (limited of course only by PCI slots and common sense). -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From carl at snarlnet.com Thu Jan 13 17:34:04 2005 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:34:04 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Question About Backuppc Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20050113093159.01fc4200@pop.easystreet.com> >At 06:17 AM 1/13/2005, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: >> I thought I heard you say that you backed up your linux servers to your >> windows workstation with backuppc? > Not quite - I said my desktop machine but it happens to run linux > also. Oh man, sorry for the assumptive mixup. When I started looking into it, it didn't look possible anyway. I just liberated a fairly decent box, I'll figure out how to get this going there. Thanks for setting me straight. From robowens at myway.com Thu Jan 13 17:35:17 2005 From: robowens at myway.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:35:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] OT: best distro for laptop Message-ID: <20050113173517.264253977@mprdmxin.myway.com> Kevin, Tim, Les, and Petre, thanks for the advice. I should have mentioned a few other things in my original post: 1) I need a distro that is free of charge for the software and the updates. I know some (like Xandros, Mepis, SUSE) have purchase editions as well as download editions, but I don't know what limitations are imposed on the download editions. 2) I have to use ndiswrapper for the Broadcom wireless NIC. I think I had it working in Mandrake 10.0 (iwconfig recognized it), but I never was able to ping. I suspect it was a problem w/ Mandrake's GUI for establishing network connections, though, because I was having weird problems w/ the wired connection as well. 3) I have to assign a static IP address to the laptop, so her router can port-forward my SSH requests to it. A GUI to do this would be nice. However, this combined with #2 means that auto-detection and setup of the wireless NIC probably isn't needed because I'm going to have to configure a lot of stuff manually anyway. 4) She'll be in California, and I'm in NJ. I need a distro that will not require upgrading (with CD's) anytime soon. I'm perfectly willing to remotely upgrade her system. But I don't want to find out in 8 months that security upgrades aren't available unless I upgrade to the latest version of the distribution. Les, could you tell me the name of the battery monitor applet and a wifi signal monitor for Gnome that you mentioned? Everybody else, do your suggestions still apply now that you know some more of my details? Thanks again. I'll be looking into your recommendations. -Rob --- On Thu 01/13, Petre Scheie < petre at maltzen.net > wrote: From: Petre Scheie [mailto: petre at maltzen.net] To: tkaldahl at maplewoodacademy.org, k12osn at redhat.com Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:55:52 -0600 Subject: Re: [K12OSN] OT: best distro for laptop I second the vote for Xandros. I've got Mandrake 9.x on a Dell Latitude (CPx, I
think), which I installed about a year and a half ago. It works fine with the
Cisco wireless card I have, but I could never get it to work with any others
like SMC, D-Link or some Realktek-based cards. On two other Dells (a CPx and a
CPi) I put Xandros on, and it has seen every card I put in (be sure you do the
Update System under Xandros Networks). And it has a nice graphical indicator of
the how much charge is left in the battery. I'd switch the Mandrake to Xandros,
but it's my wife's laptop and since it's not broken, she won't let me fix it. ;-)

I haven't looked at Mandrake 10 yet--I have the disks, I'm a long-time Mandrake
Club member,just haven't had the time--so it may have gotten better about
detecting various wireless cards. But I also think, for a non-technical newbie
such as you sister, the Xandros Network tool, which provides a
c! lick-and-install-it software service (most packages are free, but there are
some you have to sign up for their pay-service to get), is a real gem. And I
think the Xandros file manager is the best bar none, as it automatically finds
all Windows shares AND NFS shares.

And it's Debian-based.

Petre

Tim Kaldahl wrote:
> On Thursday 13 January 2005 03:04, Rob Owens wrote:
>
>>I'm asking this off-topic question because I trust the opinions of those on
>>this list. The laptop in question is my sister's. It's currently
>>dual-booting Windows XP and Mandrake 10.0, but the wireless config under
>>Windows ate itself. If I can get wireless working under Linux, that's what
>>she'll use. Mandrake is on there just because it's my default choice, but
>>I'm open to anything.
>>
>>In particular I'm looking for good power management tools. If the distro
>>comes standard with them, great. Or if somebody could recommend an ! add-on
>>package that will work w/ Mandrake or something e! lse, tha t would be great
>>too. I'd like perhaps to have an ever-present battery monitor. What else
>>is important? (I don't own a laptop myself, so I don't really know what to
>>ask for).
>>
>>Thanks for the suggestions.
>>
>>-Rob
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> I personally am running with both Vector Linux and Xandros (community edition)
> on my laptop. The Xandros was easier to install, but I prefer the Vector
> Linux SOHO package. Xandros installed on both my Compaq Presario 720 and my
> Toshiba A15-S127. Both recognized my D-Link wireless card, but I had to
> provide ssid and such under Xandro! s. Vector automatically connects and
> obtains an address via DHCP. My access points are unprotected however, so I
> don't know how Vector would perform under WEP. With FC2 on my Compaq I also
> had to manually configure ssid and the rest. Xandros does seem to have some
> pretty good power management, I haven't worried about it with Vector.
> (Vector's apm monitor does seem to work on an old Acer laptop, but that is
> pure experimentation)
>
> I still consider myself an absolute newb with Linux, so take this for what it
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_______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From david at okgoodwill.org Thu Jan 13 17:42:22 2005 From: david at okgoodwill.org (David H. Barr) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:42:22 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] App Server (Was: I need to make Flash workfaster....wannapitch) Message-ID: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E282119E85@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> Typically at more than 3 you start to see diminishing returns. Or at least that's been my experience. -dhbarr. Around Thursday, January 13, 2005 11:32 AM, Jim Kronebusch (mailto:jim at winonacotter.org) wrote: >> Just tried the app server howto from my laptop to my >> workstation, and it works, though my 54Mbit Wireless are to >> slow to handle OpenOffice, the 100Mbit Ethernet did it much >> better but how will it go when i run with 10~15 klients >> against this appserver?? Will i need to go for 1Gbit to the >> AppServer?? >> >> I can see on the "Server" that sshd utillisizes 5-7% cputime >> when i open a menu in oowriter will it end as a bottlenec?? >> >> The howTo >> http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net/k12ltsp/appserverI.htm > > Look into using Intel Pro NIC's and adaptor teaming. Whether you are > using 1GB or 100MB NIC's this should be helpful in releaving future > network bottlenecks to the server. I run on my server Intel Pro > 1000's > with ALB teaming if at all possible. It will take a little messing > around the first time to figure out the process but isn't too bad > after > that. As far as I know the amount of NIC's you can team is endless > (limited of course only by PCI slots and common sense). From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Jan 13 17:48:36 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:48:36 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] App Server (Was: I need to make Flash work faster....wannapitch) In-Reply-To: <001901c4f995$d4434c00$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001901c4f995$d4434c00$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <41E6B474.8030900@paasda.org> Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Look into using Intel Pro NIC's and adaptor teaming. Whether you are > >using 1GB or 100MB NIC's this should be helpful in releaving future >network bottlenecks to the server. I run on my server Intel Pro 1000's >with ALB teaming if at all possible. It will take a little messing >around the first time to figure out the process but isn't too bad after >that. As far as I know the amount of NIC's you can team is endless >(limited of course only by PCI slots and common sense).\ > Jim, This 'adaptor teamin'...this is like the 'nic bonding' Gavin refers to on his site? And if so...does this mean...I could have say 4 Gig-E nics ... all plugged into seperate switches, but doing the same job as eth0 on the K12LTSP server so that each lab has it's own ~1GB bandwidth? then my limits would be based on my RAM and CPU basically. --Huck From les at futuresource.com Thu Jan 13 17:43:41 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:43:41 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: best distro for laptop In-Reply-To: <20050113173517.264253977@mprdmxin.myway.com> References: <20050113173517.264253977@mprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <1105638221.14352.58.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2005-01-13 at 11:35, Rob Owens wrote: > Les, could you tell me the name of the battery monitor applet and a wifi signal monitor for Gnome that you mentioned? Just right-mouse on the toolbar and select 'add to panel', then 'utility'. You'll get a list of applets you can park there. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Jan 13 17:51:21 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:51:21 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] App Server (Was: I need to make Flashwork faster....wannapitch) In-Reply-To: <41E6B474.8030900@paasda.org> Message-ID: <001a01c4f998$7dbadd00$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> > This 'adaptor teamin'...this is like the 'nic bonding' Gavin > refers to > on his site? > And if so...does this mean...I could have say 4 Gig-E nics ... all > plugged into seperate > switches, but doing the same job as eth0 on the K12LTSP > server so that > each lab has it's > own ~1GB bandwidth? then my limits would be based on my RAM and CPU > basically. The way I refer to with Adaptive Load Balancing is to team 2+ NICs into a percieved single nic with more throughput. With your example of 4 Gig-E nics in a single machine you would plug them all into a single gigabit switch. The team would assign a single IP address to all four of these nics and the network would see them as one. The team will distribute the network load evenly across all nics in the team. So in theory if you have one Gig-E nic your throughput is 2GB, if you have a team of 4 your throughput would be 8GB. So this scenerio would only help you serve more clients in each ltsp setup, not to individually serve more labs. Hope this helps, and if any of this is incorrect I am sure someone will speak up :-) The way Gavin describes Channel Bonding looked to me like a different type of setup. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From big at santaz.dk Thu Jan 13 17:50:47 2005 From: big at santaz.dk (Jesper Berth) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:50:47 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] App Server (Was: I need to make Flash work faster....wannapitch) In-Reply-To: <001901c4f995$d4434c00$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001901c4f995$d4434c00$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1105638647.7930.15.camel@bigsanta.berthit> tor, 13 01 2005 kl. 11:32 -0600, skrev Jim Kronebusch: > > Just tried the app server howto from my laptop to my > > workstation, and it works, though my 54Mbit Wireless are to > > slow to handle OpenOffice, the 100Mbit Ethernet did it much > > better but how will it go when i run with 10~15 klients > > against this appserver?? Will i need to go for 1Gbit to the > > AppServer?? > > > > I can see on the "Server" that sshd utillisizes 5-7% cputime > > when i open a menu in oowriter will it end as a bottlenec?? > > > > The howTo > > http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net/k12ltsp/appserverI.htm > > Look into using Intel Pro NIC's and adaptor teaming. Whether you are > using 1GB or 100MB NIC's this should be helpful in releaving future > network bottlenecks to the server. I run on my server Intel Pro 1000's > with ALB teaming if at all possible. It will take a little messing > around the first time to figure out the process but isn't too bad after > that. As far as I know the amount of NIC's you can team is endless > (limited of course only by PCI slots and common sense). It sounds like it's some kind of bonding (in kernel), have tried the kernel version before with two 3com905 100Mbit and it work perfely, but then again we changed for a 1Gbit for the clients. Is the maximum amount of NIC still four?? Jesper -- Jesper Berth From big at santaz.dk Thu Jan 13 17:54:38 2005 From: big at santaz.dk (Jesper Berth) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:54:38 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] App Server (Was: I need to make Flash work faster....wannapitch) In-Reply-To: <41E6B474.8030900@paasda.org> References: <001901c4f995$d4434c00$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> <41E6B474.8030900@paasda.org> Message-ID: <1105638878.8152.18.camel@bigsanta.berthit> tor, 13 01 2005 kl. 09:48 -0800, skrev Huck: > > Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > > Look into using Intel Pro NIC's and adaptor teaming. Whether you are > > > >using 1GB or 100MB NIC's this should be helpful in releaving future > >network bottlenecks to the server. I run on my server Intel Pro 1000's > >with ALB teaming if at all possible. It will take a little messing > >around the first time to figure out the process but isn't too bad after > >that. As far as I know the amount of NIC's you can team is endless > >(limited of course only by PCI slots and common sense).\ > > > > Jim, > > This 'adaptor teamin'...this is like the 'nic bonding' Gavin refers to > on his site? > And if so...does this mean...I could have say 4 Gig-E nics ... all > plugged into seperate > switches, but doing the same job as eth0 on the K12LTSP server so that > each lab has it's > own ~1GB bandwidth? then my limits would be based on my RAM and CPU > basically. > No you will have to plug all four nics to the same switch and it has to support bonding/trunking.. > --Huck Jesper > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Jesper Berth From moquist-k12osn at majen.net Thu Jan 13 17:58:05 2005 From: moquist-k12osn at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:58:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: ltsp client authentication with separate k12ltsp and smb/ldap boxes - solved! In-Reply-To: <20050113155841.BBF0073BF7@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050113155841.BBF0073BF7@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20050113175805.GA12803@socrates.mojo.home> The answer is: make sure the LDAP server is running when you boot your LDAP clients - in this case, the Samba/LDAP box must be running when the K12LTSP box boots. It's all working wonderfully now. (Dave - here's something for your documentation!) Thanks for all your suggestions, everyone! --matt From sudev at mantraonline.com Thu Jan 13 17:49:43 2005 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 23:19:43 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] renaming IceWM In-Reply-To: <20050113115043.7F07B3991@mprdmxin.myway.com> References: <20050113115043.7F07B3991@mprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <1105638583.3647.3.camel@roop.ltsp> On Thu, 2005-01-13 at 06:50 -0500, Rob Owens wrote: > What's a launcher? Is it like another submenu or something? > Launcher is an Icon on your desktop. Right click on the desktop and you will see a menu for creating a launcher. Fill up name you want to give and the command that the launcher is to run when the icon is pressed. It is fairly easy. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From les at futuresource.com Thu Jan 13 17:56:27 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:56:27 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] App Server (Was: I need to make Flash work faster....wanna pitch) In-Reply-To: <1105636726.7912.7.camel@bigsanta.berthit> References: <000f01c4f8c9$17c41d60$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> <1105636726.7912.7.camel@bigsanta.berthit> Message-ID: <1105638986.14352.64.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2005-01-13 at 11:18, Jesper Berth wrote: > Just tried the app server howto from my laptop to my workstation, and it > works, though > my 54Mbit Wireless are to slow to handle OpenOffice, the 100Mbit > Ethernet did it much better but how will it go when i run with 10~15 > klients against this appserver?? Will i need to go for 1Gbit to the > AppServer?? That depends on the amount of screen activity. For typical office work you'll be OK with 15 clients. If you run things with a lot of screen animation you'll see a difference with a gig uplink. > I can see on the "Server" that sshd utillisizes 5-7% cputime when i open > a menu in oowriter will it end as a bottlenec?? Try adding '-c blowfish' to your ssh command line or putting it first in the /etc/ssh/ssh_config list. I've always assumed that blowfish was the most efficient of the encryption choices but never really measured it. -- Les Mikesell From nbs at sonic.net Thu Jan 13 18:00:20 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:00:20 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: best distro for laptop In-Reply-To: <20050113173517.264253977@mprdmxin.myway.com> References: <20050113173517.264253977@mprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <20050113180020.GB15911@sonic.net> On Thu, Jan 13, 2005 at 12:35:17PM -0500, Rob Owens wrote: > 1) I need a distro that is free of charge for the software and the > updates. I know some (like Xandros, Mepis, SUSE) have purchase > editions as well as download editions, but I don't know what > limitations are imposed on the download editions. My dad, my wife, my webserver at work, and I all run Debian. :^) My wife has it on her Thinkpad T20 laptop. Power management is a little wonky right now, but that's because I upgraded her to 2.6 Kernel, and haven't had time to figure out the differences. :^) The rest of us are all desktop boxes. > 4) She'll be in California, and I'm in NJ. I need a distro that > will not require upgrading (with CD's) anytime soon. I'm perfectly > willing to remotely upgrade her system. But I don't want to find out > in 8 months that security upgrades aren't available unless I upgrade > to the latest version of the distribution. Debian Woody (Stable branch) has been out and stagnant, except for a few minor upgrades, for quite a while, but there are the occasional security updates. If you simply stick her in the "stable" branch (vs. specifically asking for "woody" by name), and do the occasional update via "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade", the security updates will come through, and the system will eventually overhaul itself when everything that's currently in the "Testing" branch gets stamped as "Stable." (Hence, the current testing branch, "Sarge", will become the new 'Stable,' and the testing branch will be called something new... another character from the Pixar movie 'Toy Story'). On the other hand, KDE 3 is an excellent environment, and is pre-packaged in Debian Testing (currently at KDE 3.3). I finally switched my wife from Gnome 1 to Gnome 2, and then immediately to KDE 3.2, and she seems quite happy with it. (She didn't like Gnome 2... :^) ) Since KDE 3 is not pre-packaged in Woody (the current Stable branch), I had to download 'backports' for Woody when I wanted to run it, and when I set up my father's computer. It wasn't too difficult, but at this point, I'm pretty sold on Debian Testing branch's stability (as many others seem to be). The difference here is that when you do the "apt-get update ... upgrade" steps, you'll end up with a LOT more stuff coming down the pipe. Not just security updates, but new versions of software that has survived through testing in the 'Unstable' branch (aka "Sid", named after the crazy, toy-exploding kid next door from 'Toy Story' ;^) ) I've been running Debian Testing branch and enjoying KDE 3.2 for a while. 3.3 eventually came out, but only recently (like, last week?) got accepted into Testing. So one day when I did an "apt-get...", I suddenly had over 100MB to download. It was, of course, worth it, since I got a very shiny, polished new environment! :^) Now... I'm rambling, but one last question: where in California is your sister? You (or she) might want to find a local Linux User Group to connect with, in case something bad happens that can't be fixed over-the-wire. (My dad's /var/log filled up once, and I had a friend from a LUG near him drive out to his place to see what was the problem.) > Les, could you tell me the name of the battery monitor applet and a > wifi signal monitor for Gnome that you mentioned? KDE and Gnome both have battery monitor applets, and there are some for straight X11, as well. I don't recall the exact name of the applets, or the packages they came in, but this feature has been a "must-have" for my wife, so I'd know if something was wrong. :^) The applet she's using in KDE can be set up to pop-up warning windows (and probably also do things like play sounds or log to files) when the battery gets low, or is charged completely. Good luck! -bill! From big at santaz.dk Thu Jan 13 18:03:54 2005 From: big at santaz.dk (Jesper Berth) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 19:03:54 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] App Server (Was: I need to make Flash work faster....wanna pitch) In-Reply-To: <1105638986.14352.64.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <000f01c4f8c9$17c41d60$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> <1105636726.7912.7.camel@bigsanta.berthit> <1105638986.14352.64.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1105639434.8152.22.camel@bigsanta.berthit> tor, 13 01 2005 kl. 11:56 -0600, skrev Les Mikesell: > On Thu, 2005-01-13 at 11:18, Jesper Berth wrote: > > Just tried the app server howto from my laptop to my workstation, and it > > works, though > > my 54Mbit Wireless are to slow to handle OpenOffice, the 100Mbit > > Ethernet did it much better but how will it go when i run with 10~15 > > klients against this appserver?? Will i need to go for 1Gbit to the > > AppServer?? > > That depends on the amount of screen activity. For typical office work > you'll be OK with 15 clients. If you run things with a lot of > screen animation you'll see a difference with a gig uplink. > > > I can see on the "Server" that sshd utillisizes 5-7% cputime when i open > > a menu in oowriter will it end as a bottlenec?? > > Try adding '-c blowfish' to your ssh command line or putting it > first in the /etc/ssh/ssh_config list. I've always assumed that > blowfish was the most efficient of the encryption choices but > never really measured it. Now as i am thinking about it isn't possible to swich of encryption.... know it sound stupid since it's over ssh Or are there any alternatives?? I guess that ssh is running over a tcp connection? Wouldn't help if it was running over UDP?? Jesper -- Jesper Berth From lee at renarts.org Thu Jan 13 18:05:45 2005 From: lee at renarts.org (Lee Myrick) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:05:45 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: best distro for laptop In-Reply-To: <20050113110415.C547439D0@mprdmxin.myway.com> References: <20050113110415.C547439D0@mprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: I just installed Fedora Core 3 on two IBM ThinkPads and have wireless working on both. FC3 comes with ACPI for power management. With ACPI and FC3, the battery monitor applet currently works with the KDE desktop, but doesn't for the Gnome desktop at this time. FC3 is quite user friendly. On Jan 13, 2005, at 3:04 AM, Rob Owens wrote: > > I'm asking this off-topic question because I trust the opinions of > those on this list. The laptop in question is my sister's. It's > currently dual-booting Windows XP and Mandrake 10.0, but the wireless > config under Windows ate itself. If I can get wireless working under > Linux, that's what she'll use. Mandrake is on there just because it's > my default choice, but I'm open to anything. > > In particular I'm looking for good power management tools. If the > distro comes standard with them, great. Or if somebody could > recommend an add-on package that will work w/ Mandrake or something > else, that would be great too. I'd like perhaps to have an > ever-present battery monitor. What else is important? (I don't own a > laptop myself, so I don't really know what to ask for). Lee Myrick Information Technology Administrator Renaissance Arts Academy lee at renarts.org http://www.renarts.org 626-564-0902 home office 323-259-5700 school site From les at futuresource.com Thu Jan 13 18:06:24 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:06:24 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] renaming IceWM In-Reply-To: <1105638583.3647.3.camel@roop.ltsp> References: <20050113115043.7F07B3991@mprdmxin.myway.com> <1105638583.3647.3.camel@roop.ltsp> Message-ID: <1105639584.14352.73.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2005-01-13 at 11:49, Sudev Barar wrote: > On Thu, 2005-01-13 at 06:50 -0500, Rob Owens wrote: > > What's a launcher? Is it like another submenu or something? > > > > Launcher is an Icon on your desktop. Right click on the desktop and you > will see a menu for creating a launcher. Fill up name you want to give > and the command that the launcher is to run when the icon is pressed. > It is fairly easy. Even easier, run a gnome session and drag some items off the menus onto the desktop. It converts them to launchers automatically and you can move them around in the filesystem or drop them on the toolbars. I don't think icewm has an equivalent way to create them but it (and KDE, etc.) will display them and run the associated programs when you double-click, and you can modify them with a right-click/properties or opening with a text editor. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From gentgeen at linuxmail.org Thu Jan 13 18:12:11 2005 From: gentgeen at linuxmail.org (Kevin Squire) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 13:12:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: best distro for laptop In-Reply-To: <20050113173517.264253977@mprdmxin.myway.com> References: <20050113173517.264253977@mprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <20050113131211.33557610@linuxbox> Dear Rob, After reading your comments, I really think Debian or Ubuntu would be a great choice. Then again maybe I have just become a Debian zealot over the last 2 years . My comments below: On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:35:17 -0500 (EST) "Rob Owens" wrote: > > Kevin, Tim, Les, and Petre, thanks for the advice. I should have > mentioned a few other things in my original post: > > 1) I need a distro that is free of charge for the software and the > updates. I know some (like Xandros, Mepis, SUSE) have purchase > editions as well as download editions, but I don't know what > limitations are imposed on the download editions. > The only Limitation I know on Mephis is the software. I.E. the purchased version comes with crossover office. Don't know the others > 2) I have to use ndiswrapper for the Broadcom wireless NIC. I think > I had it working in Mandrake 10.0 (iwconfig recognized it), but I > never was able to ping. I suspect it was a problem w/ Mandrake's GUI > for establishing network connections, though, because I was having > weird problems w/ the wired connection as well. > Ubuntu seems to really shine in this area. I had a wireless pci card that would not work AT ALL with Linux (including the wrapper), but Ubuntu detected it and worked "out of the box" I know that they have 2 versions, a Live CD and an Installer. Even thought the live CD is pretty new, you might want to give it a shot first. > 3) I have to assign a static IP address to the laptop, so her router > can port-forward my SSH requests to it. A GUI to do this would be > nice. However, this combined with #2 means that auto-detection and > setup of the wireless NIC probably isn't needed because I'm going to > have to configure a lot of stuff manually anyway. > The GNOME with Ubuntu (I think it is 2.6 but I may be way off) has a nice GUI for network stuff. Although I think it is GNOME thing not an Ubuntu thing. > 4) She'll be in California, and I'm in NJ. I need a distro that will > not require upgrading (with CD's) anytime soon. I'm perfectly willing > to remotely upgrade her system. But I don't want to find out in 8 > months that security upgrades aren't available unless I upgrade to the > latest version of the distribution. > This is definitly where a Debian based will shine. I have a box right now that my Grandma uses for email & internet with Debian Sarge. I set up her apt source list to use "sarge" instead of "stable" or "unstable" so that way she got all the eye candy, but when Sarge goes stable, her box will move with it. Updates can be done with cron and you would never have to worry about it. If you go this route I would stick with Debian or Ubuntu. My experience has Knoppix and family getting a bit buggy after doing an apt-get update && apt-get upgrade > Les, could you tell me the name of the battery monitor applet and a > wifi signal monitor for Gnome that you mentioned? > > Everybody else, do your suggestions still apply now that you know some > more of my details? > > Thanks again. I'll be looking into your recommendations. > > -Rob > > > --- On Thu 01/13, Petre Scheie < petre at maltzen.net > wrote: > From: Petre Scheie [mailto: petre at maltzen.net] > To: tkaldahl at maplewoodacademy.org, k12osn at redhat.com > Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:55:52 -0600 > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] OT: best distro for laptop > > I second the vote for Xandros. I've got Mandrake 9.x on a Dell > Latitude (CPx, I
think), which I installed about a year and a half > ago. It works fine with the
Cisco wireless card I have, but I > could never get it to work with any others
like SMC, D-Link or > some Realktek-based cards. On two other Dells (a CPx and a
CPi) I > put Xandros on, and it has seen every card I put in (be sure you do > the
Update System under Xandros Networks). And it has a nice > graphical indicator of
the how much charge is left in the battery. > I'd switch the Mandrake to Xandros,
but it's my wife's laptop and > since it's not broken, she won't let me fix it. ;-)

I haven't > looked at Mandrake 10 yet--I have the disks, I'm a long-time Mandrake >
Club member,just haven't had the time--so it may have gotten > better about
detecting various wireless cards. But I also think, > for a non-technical newbie
such as you sister, the Xandros > Network tool, which provides a
c! > lick-and-install-it software service (most packages are free, but > there are
some you have to sign up for their pay-service to get), > is a real gem. And I
think the Xandros file manager is the best > bar none, as it automatically finds
all Windows shares AND NFS > shares.

And it's Debian-based.

Petre

Tim Kaldahl > wrote:
> On Thursday 13 January 2005 03:04, Rob Owens wrote:
> >
>>I'm asking this off-topic question because I trust the opinions > of those on
>>this list. The laptop in question is my sister's. > It's currently
>>dual-booting Windows XP and Mandrake 10.0, but the > wireless config under
>>Windows ate itself. If I can get wireless > working under Linux, that's what
>>she'll use. Mandrake is on > there just because it's my default choice, but
>>I'm open to > anything.
>>
>>In particular I'm looking for good power > management tools. If the distro
>>comes standard with them, great. > Or if somebody could recommend an ! > add-on
>>package that will work w/ Mandrake or something e! > lse, tha > t would be great
>>too. I'd like perhaps to have an ever-present > battery monitor. What else
>>is important? (I don't own a laptop > myself, so I don't really know what to
>>ask > for).
>>
>>Thanks for the > suggestions.
>>
>>-Rob
>>
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> I personally am running with both Vector Linux and Xandros > (community edition)
> on my laptop. The Xandros was easier to > install, but I prefer the Vector
> Linux SOHO package. Xandros > installed on both my Compaq Presario 720 and my
> Toshiba > A15-S127. Both recognized my D-Link wireless card, but I had to
> > provide ssid and such under Xandro! s. Vector automatically connects > and
> obtains an address via DHCP. My access points are > unprotected however, so I
> don't know how Vector would perform > under WEP. With FC2 on my Compaq I also
> had to manually > configure ssid and the rest. Xandros does seem to have some
> > pretty good power management, I haven't worried about it with Vector. >
> (Vector's apm monitor does seem to work on an old Acer laptop, > but that is
> pure experimentation)
>
> I still consider > myself an absolute newb with Linux, so take this for what it
> is > worth and I hope that it helps.
>
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> > _______________________________________________ > No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. > Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org Thu Jan 13 18:37:47 2005 From: aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org (aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 13:37:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: best distro for laptop In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1816872888.1105623467@[10.2.34.139]> I have used three distro's in the last few months on two laptops. Mandrake 10.0 comminuty, Fedora 3, and SuSe 9.1. Currently running fedora 3 but I think I am going back to Mandrake due the speed of package updates. I am not married to it or anything. SuSe 9.1 from what I read is OK, but 9.2 is better for a laptop. I have not tried Mandrake 10.1 yet. I must agree with Lee, Fedora 3 was pretty friendly and easy to install. I don't use wireless and battey life is not an issue. I am looking for the fastest package updates so I can run the latest Gimp 2.x.x. and Blender. Debian maybe ? Thanks. FYI fedora 3 and Suse 9.2 Professional on laptops. http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=8885 Tom Ventresco. From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Jan 13 18:46:46 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:46:46 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] the /etc/skel directory.. Message-ID: <41E6C216.4010106@paasda.org> What is this and what purpose does it serve? Are there tips'tricks that can be done here? --Huck From les at futuresource.com Thu Jan 13 18:46:48 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:46:48 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: best distro for laptop In-Reply-To: <1816872888.1105623467@[10.2.34.139]> References: <1816872888.1105623467@[10.2.34.139]> Message-ID: <1105642008.18586.6.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2005-01-13 at 12:37, aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org wrote: > I am looking for the fastest > package updates so I can run the latest Gimp 2.x.x. and Blender. Debian > maybe ? Thanks. All you have to do with fedora is pick a yum/apt enabled RPM repository that suits your fancy regarding the tradeoffs between stability and update frequency. Because of the fedora policy regarding anything that might be a lawsuit target (mp3, etc.) you almost have to add some third party repository and it is safest if you can stick to just one. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Jan 13 18:51:38 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:51:38 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] the /etc/skel directory.. In-Reply-To: <41E6C216.4010106@paasda.org> Message-ID: <001b01c4f9a0$e9f99cb0$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> > What is this and what purpose does it serve? > Are there tips'tricks that can be done here? When the home directory for a new user is created, it is initialized with files from the /etc/skel directory. The system administrator can create files in /etc/skel that will provide a nice default environment for users. For example, he might create a /etc/skel/.profile that sets the EDITOR environment variable to some editor that is friendly towards new users. However, it is usually best to try to keep /etc/skel as small as possible, since it will be next to impossible to update existing users' files. For example, if the name of the friendly editor changes, all existing users would have to edit their .profile . The system administrator could try to do it automatically, with a script, but that is almost certain going to break someone's file. Whenever possible, it is better to put global configuration into global files, such as /etc/profile . This way it is possible to update it without breaking users' own setups. As far as I know there are a lot of possible tricks with this directory. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From SHarbour at nwresd.k12.or.us Thu Jan 13 18:52:33 2005 From: SHarbour at nwresd.k12.or.us (Sean Harbour) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:52:33 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Adapter Teaming Message-ID: <646574B39C491E4D8573C54D35FFE52C058C95@wsc-mail-01.intra.nwresd.k12.or.us> >Jim, >This 'adaptor teamin'...this is like the 'nic bonding' Gavin refers to >on his site? >And if so...does this mean...I could have say 4 Gig-E nics ... all >plugged into seperate >switches, but doing the same job as eth0 on the K12LTSP server so that >each lab has it's >own ~1GB bandwidth? then my limits would be based on my RAM and CPU >basically. > Huck Not quite. You also have to figure in the bottleneck from the PCI bus itself. A normal PC with a 32 bit PCI bus can barely feed a single Gig-E NIC. With a server using 64 bit PCI slots and matching Gig-E NICs, you could maybe use 3, depending on CPU, RAM, and probably to a lesser extent, storage system throughput. Has anybody built a monster like this yet and can share their experiences? Sean Harbour sean at harbours.us -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2784 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Jan 13 19:01:46 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 13:01:46 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Adapter Teaming In-Reply-To: <646574B39C491E4D8573C54D35FFE52C058C95@wsc-mail-01.intra.nwresd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <002801c4f9a2$53ffaea0$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> > Not quite. You also have to figure in the bottleneck from the > PCI bus itself. A normal PC with a 32 bit PCI bus can barely > feed a single Gig-E NIC. With a server using 64 bit PCI slots > and matching Gig-E NICs, you could maybe use 3, depending on > CPU, RAM, and probably to a lesser extent, storage system > throughput. Has anybody built a monster like this yet and can > share their experiences? I hear you there. I haven't done any testing with my dual gig setups to see what if any benefit I am receiving over a single nic. I just like to overkill. So theory is that this should at least eliminate the possiblity that my nics are a bottleneck. Then I know HD, RAM, MB and such are the next likely culprits. I would be interested in any data others have gathered to determine what is sever overkill and what is actually beneficial. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From aaa at pacifier.com Thu Jan 13 19:35:51 2005 From: aaa at pacifier.com (aaa at pacifier.com) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:35:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] the /etc/skel directory.. In-Reply-To: <41E6C216.4010106@paasda.org> References: <41E6C216.4010106@paasda.org> Message-ID: <56868.170.96.232.44.1105644951.squirrel@webmail.pacifier.com> When you add a user the contents of the /etc/skel directory are automatically copied to the users' home directory. Duane > What is this and what purpose does it serve? > Are there tips'tricks that can be done here? > > --Huck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From phealy at dsusd.k12.ca.us Thu Jan 13 19:38:12 2005 From: phealy at dsusd.k12.ca.us (Patrick Healy) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:38:12 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Acroread - Plugin Problem Solved Message-ID: <1105645092.29930.6.camel@crux> The K12LTSP 4.2 Acrobat rpm's seem to misplace an important file: acroread-plugin-5.10-k12ltsp.0.4.2 acroread-5.10-k12ltsp.0.4.2 [phealy at crux ~]$ acroread /usr/lib/acroread/Reader/intellinux/bin/acroread: error while loading shared libraries: libXp.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory but the needed file can be found here: [phealy at crux ~]$ locate libXp.so.6 /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/X11R6/lib/libXp.so.6 /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/X11R6/lib/libXp.so.6.2 so to fix, as root: cd /usr/lib/acroread/Reader/intellinux/lib ln -s /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/X11R6/lib/libXp.so.6 Now all works fine. this is on a system that was upgraded from 4.01, and then removed and reinstalled the acroread files using the root desktop link. -- Patrick Healy Palm Desert High School 43-570 Phyllis Jackson Lane Palm Desert, CA 92260 760-862-4300 x2303 From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Jan 13 19:57:17 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:57:17 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] the /etc/skel directory.. In-Reply-To: <001b01c4f9a0$e9f99cb0$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001b01c4f9a0$e9f99cb0$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <41E6D29D.5040501@paasda.org> Well that's certainly worth knowing! Makes setting up defaults a LOT easier at the beginning of the year =) --Huck Jim Kronebusch wrote: >>What is this and what purpose does it serve? >>Are there tips'tricks that can be done here? >> >> > >When the home directory for a new user is created, it is initialized >with files from the /etc/skel directory. The system administrator can >create files in /etc/skel that will provide a nice default environment >for users. For example, he might create a /etc/skel/.profile that sets >the EDITOR environment variable to some editor that is friendly towards >new users. > >However, it is usually best to try to keep /etc/skel as small as >possible, since it will be next to impossible to update existing users' >files. For example, if the name of the friendly editor changes, all >existing users would have to edit their .profile . The system >administrator could try to do it automatically, with a script, but that >is almost certain going to break someone's file. > >Whenever possible, it is better to put global configuration into global >files, such as /etc/profile . This way it is possible to update it >without breaking users' own setups. > >As far as I know there are a lot of possible tricks with this directory. > > > > From dahopkins at comcast.net Thu Jan 13 20:07:14 2005 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 20:07:14 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] the /etc/skel directory.. Message-ID: <011320052007.24057.41E6D4F20005792F00005DF922007589429C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> A way around the customization issue it to create .cshrc.pers in addition to the .cshrc (if using csh, change for .profile) in /etc/skel, then at the end of the .cshrc in /etc/skel include if (-f $HOME/.cshrc.pers) then source $HOME/.cshrc.pers endif This is straight from our website: http://www.arl.hpc.mil/userservices/ibm_sp3.html and we try to adhere to since it is possible for sysadmins to then push new .profile/.cshrc to all users without crushing user customizations. Could still cause an issue with a "Reset Desktop" unless the reset script knows to move all the original (dot) files to .old . Sincerely, Dave Hopkins -------------- Original message -------------- > Well that's certainly worth knowing! > Makes setting up defaults a LOT easier at the beginning of the year =) > > --Huck > > Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > >>What is this and what purpose does it serve? > >>Are there tips'tricks that can be done here? > >> > >> > > > >When the home directory for a new user is created, it is initialized > >with files from the /etc/skel directory. The system administrator can > >create files in /etc/skel that will provide a nice default environment > >for users. For example, he might create a /etc/skel/.profile that sets > >the EDITOR environment variable to some editor that is friendly towards > >new users. > > > >However, it is usually best to try to keep /etc/skel as small as > >possible, since it will be next to impossible to update existing users' > >files. For example, if the name of the friendly editor changes, all > >existing users would have to edit their .profile . 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Tom Ventresco From les at futuresource.com Thu Jan 13 20:32:46 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:32:46 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] the /etc/skel directory.. In-Reply-To: <011320052007.24057.41E6D4F20005792F00005DF922007589429C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> References: <011320052007.24057.41E6D4F20005792F00005DF922007589429C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1105648366.18586.34.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2005-01-13 at 14:07, dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > A way around the customization issue it to create .cshrc.pers in > addition to the .cshrc (if using csh, change for .profile) in > /etc/skel, then at the end of the .cshrc in /etc/skel include > I think you mean .profile for sh or bash, but I didn't know anyone still used csh these days. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Jan 13 21:09:04 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 13:09:04 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Acroread - Plugin Problem Solved In-Reply-To: <1105645092.29930.6.camel@crux> References: <1105645092.29930.6.camel@crux> Message-ID: <1105650544.25413.209.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> On Thu, 2005-01-13 at 11:38 -0800, Patrick Healy wrote: > The K12LTSP 4.2 Acrobat rpm's seem to misplace an important file: > acroread-plugin-5.10-k12ltsp.0.4.2 > acroread-5.10-k12ltsp.0.4.2 > > [phealy at crux ~]$ acroread > /usr/lib/acroread/Reader/intellinux/bin/acroread: error while loading > shared libraries: libXp.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such > file or directory Good catch! The missing library is included in the xorg-x11-deprecated-libs package. I rebuilt the acroread packages to require that. It should appear in the apt/up2date/yum repository shortly. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From rfreidel at computergeex.com Thu Jan 13 21:31:35 2005 From: rfreidel at computergeex.com (Ron Freidel) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:31:35 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: best distro for laptop In-Reply-To: <1816872888.1105623467@[10.2.34.139]> References: <1816872888.1105623467@[10.2.34.139]> Message-ID: <20050113143135.057350a1.rfreidel@computergeex.com> If fast updates are what you are looking for I don't think there is a distro any faster than Arch Linux. The installer may not have all the bells and whistles of one of the larger distro's, but the package manager is close to being my favorite linux package manager, and you can't beat the name of it either. When a new kernel is released pacman usually has it the same day, kde and gnome updates take a little longer due to testing, it's only second to Slackware as being my favorite Linux distro, but personally I prefer FreeBSD on a laptop. With the Linux distro's I have had on my Dell i8600 the longest battery life I have experienced is about 3 hours, thats with a custom kernel, all the pentium m/centrino stuff compiled in, I get over an extra hour of life with FreeBSD. With my extra battery I can sit and use my laptop for an 8 hour day without plugging it in. On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 13:37:47 -0500 aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org wrote: > I have used three distro's in the last few months on two laptops. Mandrake > 10.0 comminuty, Fedora 3, and SuSe 9.1. Currently running fedora 3 but I > think I am going back to Mandrake due the speed of package updates. I am > not married to it or anything. SuSe 9.1 from what I read is OK, but 9.2 is > better for a laptop. I have not tried Mandrake 10.1 yet. I must agree > with Lee, Fedora 3 was pretty friendly and easy to install. I don't use > wireless and battey life is not an issue. I am looking for the fastest > package updates so I can run the latest Gimp 2.x.x. and Blender. Debian > maybe ? Thanks. > > FYI fedora 3 and Suse 9.2 Professional on laptops. > http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=8885 > > Tom Ventresco. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From server at benmay.org Thu Jan 13 10:36:01 2005 From: server at benmay.org (Ben May) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 20:36:01 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba and Windows, Message-ID: <41E64F11.2070407@benmay.org> Hello Everyone, I have just installed 4.2.0 and when it come to samba, i have a problem i can seem to fix. I am not sure if this is a windows or samba issue. before when a user goes on their windows machine to \\server\theirusername like ben so \\server\ben this would bring up a password box to login to server, before i just typed in my username and then password and away i went, into 'bens' home dir. Now when i type in \\server\ben i cant change the password from 'SERVER\guest' I cant remember what i had the server mode on, share, user etc. a still have alot of public shares that i want to keep active. Thanks BEn May From petre at maltzen.net Thu Jan 13 22:35:37 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:35:37 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] renaming IceWM In-Reply-To: <1105638583.3647.3.camel@roop.ltsp> References: <20050113115043.7F07B3991@mprdmxin.myway.com> <1105638583.3647.3.camel@roop.ltsp> Message-ID: <41E6F7B9.7070303@maltzen.net> Note that Sudev's suggestion works only if you are running Nautilus with IceWM. IceWM by itself does not support desktop icons, which is part of the reason it consumes much less resources. And Nautilus tends to consume a lot of resources, so if this is on old hardware, you may want to stay away from it. Petre Sudev Barar wrote: > On Thu, 2005-01-13 at 06:50 -0500, Rob Owens wrote: > >>What's a launcher? Is it like another submenu or something? >> > > > Launcher is an Icon on your desktop. Right click on the desktop and you > will see a menu for creating a launcher. Fill up name you want to give > and the command that the launcher is to run when the icon is pressed. > It is fairly easy. From les at futuresource.com Thu Jan 13 22:47:54 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:47:54 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] renaming IceWM In-Reply-To: <41E6F7B9.7070303@maltzen.net> References: <20050113115043.7F07B3991@mprdmxin.myway.com> <1105638583.3647.3.camel@roop.ltsp> <41E6F7B9.7070303@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1105656473.18586.52.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2005-01-13 at 16:35, Petre Scheie wrote: > Note that Sudev's suggestion works only if you are running Nautilus with IceWM. > IceWM by itself does not support desktop icons, which is part of the reason it > consumes much less resources. And Nautilus tends to consume a lot of resources, > so if this is on old hardware, you may want to stay away from it. How do you avoid it? I select an Icewm session and launchers show up on the desktop automatically and a right-mouse on the desktop offers a choice to create a new one. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Thu Jan 13 22:59:20 2005 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 15:59:20 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] CrossOver Office Professional Message-ID: Hello Everyone, Is anyone using CrossOver Office Professional with Eric's 4.2? I need to provide a solution to an online course based on --- you guessed it, MS. Office Pro. Don't anyone bother to waste time talking about OO... We can run the online program with OO, but some of our staff are both stuck and not-at-all-too-flexible-in-their-thinking. I may as well investigate Cross-Over on thin clients before I explain cost, reliablilty, and server load. Thanks all, Jim - still on K12LTSP3.2 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Thu Jan 13 23:59:48 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:59:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] renaming IceWM In-Reply-To: <1105656473.18586.52.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <20050113115043.7F07B3991@mprdmxin.myway.com> < > <1105638583.3647.3.camel@roop.ltsp> <41E6F7B9.7070303@maltzen.net> <1105656473.18586.52.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: nautilus is launched in the session script in /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions Edit the script to exclude nautilus David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Jan 14 00:00:38 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 19:00:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] renaming IceWM In-Reply-To: <1105656473.18586.52.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <20050113115043.7F07B3991@mprdmxin.myway.com> < > <1105638583.3647.3.camel@roop.ltsp> <41E6F7B9.7070303@maltzen.net> <1105656473.18586.52.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, January 13, 2005 at 5:47 PM +0000 wrote: >How do you avoid it? I select an Icewm session and launchers show up on >the desktop automatically and a right-mouse on the desktop offers a >choice to create a new one. nautilus is launched in the session script in /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions Edit the script to exclude nautilu David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Jan 14 01:22:25 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 20:22:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: best distro for laptop In-Reply-To: <1816872888.1105623467@[10.2.34.139]> References: <1816872888.1105623467@[10.2.34.139]> Message-ID: <41E71ED1.7030505@cmosnetworks.com> aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org wrote: > I have used three distro's in the last few months on two laptops. > Mandrake 10.0 comminuty, Fedora 3, and SuSe 9.1. Currently running > fedora 3 but I think I am going back to Mandrake due the speed of > package updates. I am not married to it or anything. SuSe 9.1 from > what I read is OK, but 9.2 is better for a laptop. I have not tried > Mandrake 10.1 yet. I must agree with Lee, Fedora 3 was pretty > friendly and easy to install. I don't use wireless and battey life is > not an issue. I am looking for the fastest package updates so I can > run the latest Gimp 2.x.x. and Blender. Debian maybe ? Thanks. > > FYI fedora 3 and Suse 9.2 Professional on laptops. > http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=8885 > > Tom Ventresco. I run SuSE Linux Pro 9.2 on my laptop, and everything works perfectly--wireless, video, sound, you name it. Also easy to use. My hardware is a Dell Latitude P4 1.7GHz. --TP From cliebow at downeast.net Fri Jan 14 01:39:49 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 01:39:49 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] (no subject) Message-ID: <200501140044.j0E0i4E22327@downeast.net> do you have a range in your dhcpd.conf..also what etherboot version jim would recommend 5.0.11..timing issues and alll..chuck >

I am setting up a thin client and i have oot version..jim would revworkstation and a server. I have config.11? jim would recommend 5.0ured everything and have a boot rom for my network card and it will not detect the dhcp server. What settings should i change to fix this?




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The only thing I think I have to sit down and play with is power management, but it runs for about 4.5 hours and is never that far from a recharge... Has anyone got suspend-to-disk and that sort of thing working on their laptop yet? Another one that picked up everything without blinking was Knoppix. I am tempted to try a Knoppix HDD install with an apt-get distribution upgrade and see what we end up with. Some other day... Ciao, David. --- David McAuliffe - wondergibbon.com david at wondergibbon.com From rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us Fri Jan 14 03:25:25 2005 From: rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us (Rick O'Dell) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 21:25:25 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] ClamAV Update error Message-ID: Yum upgrade generates errors, Package clamav needs libcom_err.so.3, this is not available... Does anyone know what I need to do to get this upgrade to work???? Thanks. Rick O'Dell Net Work Administrator Bakersfield R4 School Dst. Phone (417)284-7333 ext 303 rodell at bakersfield.k12.mo.us -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.302 / Virus Database: 265.6.11 - Release Date: 1/12/2005 From lsrpm at mts.net Fri Jan 14 04:52:06 2005 From: lsrpm at mts.net (Liam Marshall) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 22:52:06 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] 4.2 Upgraded, now questions Message-ID: <003e01c4f9f4$cc09d770$6400a8c0@LiamsLapTop> I have upgraded successfully, have a few simple questions. 1. video refresh, when users scroll up or down quickly, the screen garbles display leaving junk from old view on new view. changing zoom or ctrl f10 fixes issue, until you scroll again. It has something to do with video, but same workstations had no such issue with 4.0.1 I sometimes get an error message about the video not having enough memory at this resolution and refresh rate. Again, worked fine with 4.0.x 2. how can I let the kids access the cd on their workstations. Right now it says something to the effect that only root can do that I will leave the sound till later. Thin clients are IBM 300 PLs with cs4232 onboard sound they are bugging the hell out of me. The only thing I can get sound out of is manually playing wav files out of audio player, nothing else works at all -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk Fri Jan 14 08:29:48 2005 From: gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk (Gavin Spurgeon) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 08:29:48 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] CrossOver Office Professional References: Message-ID: <004701c4fa13$359d9960$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Hi List... > Hello Everyone, Is anyone using CrossOver Office Professional with Eric's > 4.2? I need to provide a solution to an online course based on --- you > guessed it, MS. Office Pro. Don't anyone bother to waste time talking > about OO... We can run the online program with OO, but some of our staff > are both stuck and not-at-all-too-flexible-in-their-thinking. I may as well > investigate Cross-Over on thin clients before I explain cost, reliablilty, > and server load. Thanks all, Jim - still on K12LTSP3.2 I use Crossover Pro on a K12LTSP 4.0.1 setup, its all fine @ the mo... but I haven't used it on a 4.2.x setup... I have customed my 4.0.1 far to much to upgrade @ this moment in time... Best Regards Gavin Spurgeon Assistant Systems Administrator gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tel: 01322 620400 DDI: 01322 620501 IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 ############################################# Unofficial K12LTSP HOWTOz & Extraz Site (http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net) ############################################# From ramonklown at pop.com.br Fri Jan 14 09:44:59 2005 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 07:44:59 -0200 (BRST) Subject: [K12OSN] no sound on thin client Message-ID: <60977.201.8.4.7.1105695899.squirrel@popmail2.pop.com.br> Has anybody found this solution yet? I saw this hot topic a week ago, but it just stopped. I'm running 4.2.0 I know it's something in the lts.conf with the SOUND thing that might be wrong. I have onboard sound. I'm trying to run skype and radio stations with no success. Thanks, Ramon From robowens at myway.com Fri Jan 14 11:07:17 2005 From: robowens at myway.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 06:07:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] OT: best distro for laptop Message-ID: <20050114110717.A438939A1@mprdmxin.myway.com> Guys, thanks again for all the laptop advice. It gave me some courage to try some things, and I ended up getting it working last night. I tried Mepis but ended up with Mandrake 10.1 mostly because I am familiar with it and I have to get the laptop back to my sister before she heads back to CA. Plus, I can only download so many iso's in one day! For the record, I had previously tried Mandrake 10.0 and I think that their GUI network tool messed something up (although I can't swear to it). So I took the opportunity to upgrade to 10.1 and this time I avoided the GUI when configuring the wireless connection. I learned a lot (and made a lot of good guesses) regarding ndiswrapper. KDE (haven't tried Gnome yet) has a battery monitor right there on the toolbar. It was put there w/o me asking for it, which was nice. David mentioned suspend-to-disk. Any input on that from the group? What other "laptop features" should I try to get working before handing it over to my sister? I want to make sure it has all the features she'll want so she doesn't go back to windows, which is still on her hard drive. Thanks -Rob --- On Thu 01/13, David McAuliffe < k12ltsp at wondergibbon.com > wrote: From: David McAuliffe [mailto: k12ltsp at wondergibbon.com] To: k12osn at redhat.com, k12osn at redhat.com Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 19:30:16 -0700 Subject: Re: [K12OSN] OT: best distro for laptop > I run SuSE Linux Pro 9.2 on my laptop, and everything works
> perfectly--wireless, video, sound, you name it. Also easy to use.
> My hardware is a Dell Latitude P4 1.7GHz.

Another vote for SuSE here. Running 9.2 on an old Gateway 5300 P3/800
512MB. Was running Mandrake 9.x and 10, none of which could configure
the internal winmodem and all seemed to have a flakey approach to
handling pcmcia and wireless. 10 was a pig with a prism 2 chipset
wireless card.

SuSE configured the box without a single issue. Modem, internal
network, wireless, sound, X- it all works. The only thing I think I
have to sit down and play with is power management, but it runs for
about 4.5 hours and is never that far from a recharge...

Has anyone got suspend-to-disk and that sort of thing working on their
laptop yet?

Another one that picked up everything without blinking was Knoppix. I
am tempted to try a Knoppix HDD install with! an apt-get distribution
upgrade and see what we end up with. Some other day...

Ciao,

David.

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_______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From robowens at myway.com Fri Jan 14 11:10:45 2005 From: robowens at myway.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 06:10:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] renaming IceWM Message-ID: <20050114111045.22F0B3A37@mprdmxin.myway.com> Sounds like I could do a similar thing by using a submenu anyway. I was thinking about creating a submenu that says "computer 2" and under that I could have an OpenOffice selection which runs the appropriate ssh command. But I was kinda hoping that I could come up w/ something a little more transparent than that. -Rob --- On Thu 01/13, Petre Scheie < petre at maltzen.net > wrote: From: Petre Scheie [mailto: petre at maltzen.net] To: k12osn at redhat.com Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:35:37 -0600 Subject: Re: [K12OSN] renaming IceWM Note that Sudev's suggestion works only if you are running Nautilus with IceWM.
IceWM by itself does not support desktop icons, which is part of the reason it
consumes much less resources. And Nautilus tends to consume a lot of resources,
so if this is on old hardware, you may want to stay away from it.

Petre

Sudev Barar wrote:
> On Thu, 2005-01-13 at 06:50 -0500, Rob Owens wrote:
>
>>What's a launcher? Is it like another submenu or something?
>>
>
>
> Launcher is an Icon on your desktop. Right click on the desktop and you
> will see a menu for creating a launcher. Fill up name you want to give
> and the command that the launcher is to run when the icon is pressed.
> It is fairly easy.

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_______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From robowens at myway.com Fri Jan 14 11:17:18 2005 From: robowens at myway.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 06:17:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] lightweight file manager? Message-ID: <20050114111718.F40C23A40@mprdmxin.myway.com> Can anybody recommend a lightweight file manager? I'm using IceWM and loading either Konqueror (which I like) or Nautilus takes a long time--a couple of seconds on my non-LTSP'd 2.0 Celeron. I downloaded X-WinCommander http://xwc.sourceforge.net/ and it loads like lightening, but I really like the Konqueror look much more. Plus I haven't tested it out for functionality yet. There are a couple others I've come across on the internet, like gentoo (a file manager, not the distro) http://www.obsession.se/gentoo/ I figured I'd ask and see if anybody had a suggestion before I try every file manager I can find. -Rob _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From robowens at myway.com Fri Jan 14 12:00:58 2005 From: robowens at myway.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 07:00:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Configuring Workstations Views and Defaults Message-ID: <20050114120058.450C23990@mprdmxin.myway.com> Many, if not all, of these customization settings are in hidden files in the user's home directory. I can't speak for Firefox, but with Mozilla there is a ~/.mozilla directory which, a few subdirectories into it, you will find a bookmarks.html file. Replace that with your pre-prepared default bookmarks file. I'm not sure where the homepage selection is kept, but I'd expect to find it somewhere in the .mozilla directory tree. Same thing probably goes for all other defaults you want to set. For your desktop, look for ~./gnome or something similar (maybe somebody on the list could tell you exactly, because I don't use Gnome). -Rob --- On Thu 01/13, Selzler, Bruce < SelzlerB at esuhsd.org > wrote: From: Selzler, Bruce [mailto: SelzlerB at esuhsd.org] To: k12osn at redhat.com Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 07:47:25 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Configuring Workstations Views and Defaults Hello Team,

I am trying to find information on how to "customize" the LTSP server so
that I can control default settings that the users at the workstations
see when they log on.

For example, I would like to be able to set a default home page in
Firefox. A default set of bookmarks. A default desktop, Etc.

I've looked through the documentation and the FAQ, but I'm not seeing
anything like this. Unless the language is just over my head.

Is there a quick a dirty document that identifies stuff like this? I
suspect there are others that would be interested as well.

Thanks.

- Sez

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_______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG Fri Jan 14 12:04:52 2005 From: HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Burroughs, Henry) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 07:04:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] CrossOver Office Professional Message-ID: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D78420073F9C@hhpmail.MEDIA.LOCAL> Jim, I use Crossover Office 4.0 (moving to 4.1 soon) on K12LTSP 4.1. It is wonderfull... it provides us with access to quicktime, shockwave, and of course, MS Office XP. Only thing that seems to run sluggish is PowerPoint if you have a good number of animations and wordArt in MS Word & Powerpoint (it seems to be a screen draw issue...possibly compounded by X displaying from the TS to the client... I last observed this in the 3.X branch, but I haven't really tortured it in 4.X). Also, it provides access to Accelerated Reader. ;-) I've got a few hacks that makes it work almost perfectly. I can't say much good or bad about sound, b/c I'm still lagging behind getting sound working properly on the terminals (although the discussions of late have been interesting on the list... so I might have it working soon), but Quicktime sound works great on my workstation. I use the RPM version of course, and I configure Crossover on my system, and then build a custom RPM (using the Crossover buildrpm command) and push that to my Terminal Server. It is just so nice to backup your configuration using the buildrpm command in Crossover...also using the multi-user managed mode, you can keep everyone up-2-date (there is about ~50Meg (links too) or so of files in the user Directory under .cxoffice that get created whenever CX Office is first run or when there are major changes in the configuration). We also use Blackbaud's Faculty Access for the Web application, which unfortunately REQUIRES IE... so I have a menu folder for different things, so I created a shortcut which launches IE straight to the secure site. Henry Burroughs Technology Director Hilton Head Preparatory School www.hhprep.org -----Original Message----- From: Jim Christiansen [mailto:christiansen_j at hotmail.com] Sent: Thu 1/13/2005 5:59 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Cc: Subject: [K12OSN] CrossOver Office Professional Hello Everyone, Is anyone using CrossOver Office Professional with Eric's 4.2? I need to provide a solution to an online course based on --- you guessed it, MS. Office Pro. Don't anyone bother to waste time talking about OO... We can run the online program with OO, but some of our staff are both stuck and not-at-all-too-flexible-in-their-thinking. I may as well investigate Cross-Over on thin clients before I explain cost, reliablilty, and server load. Thanks all, Jim - still on K12LTSP3.2 From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Fri Jan 14 12:27:00 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 06:27:00 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] 4.2 Upgraded, now questions In-Reply-To: <003e01c4f9f4$cc09d770$6400a8c0@LiamsLapTop> References: <003e01c4f9f4$cc09d770$6400a8c0@LiamsLapTop> Message-ID: <972DF372-6627-11D9-BD80-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 What is the video card and what driver are you using? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkHnupUACgkQfqZR3ThMfXRzSwCgiOkbVYklPNDWrdZUkQE6EU0N 0zYAn2XqsU/Tyrg4oacelysg8RpVFQMc =u5I6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From holtniurka at cantv.net Fri Jan 14 12:50:48 2005 From: holtniurka at cantv.net (Richard) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 08:50:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] lightweight file manager? In-Reply-To: <20050114111718.F40C23A40@mprdmxin.myway.com> References: <20050114111718.F40C23A40@mprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <200501140850.49418.holtniurka@cantv.net> On Fri, 14 January 2005 07:17, Rob Owens wrote: > > Can anybody recommend a lightweight file manager? I'm using IceWM and loading either Konqueror (which I like) or Nautilus takes a long time--a couple of seconds on my non-LTSP'd 2.0 Celeron. I downloaded X-WinCommander http://xwc.sourceforge.net/ and it loads like lightening, but I really like the Konqueror look much more. Plus I haven't tested it out for functionality yet. > > There are a couple others I've come across on the internet, like gentoo (a file manager, not the distro) http://www.obsession.se/gentoo/ > > I figured I'd ask and see if anybody had a suggestion before I try every file manager I can find. Have you tried Krusader? It's very similar to Total Commander / Norton Commander, etal. http://krusader.sourceforge.net/down.php Says: " .. is an advanced twin panel (commander style) file manager for KDE 3, similar to Midnight or Total Commander (formerly Windows Commander), with many extras. It provides all the file-management features you could possibly want. Plus: extensive archive handling, mounted filesystem support, FTP, advanced search module, viewer/editor, directory synchronisation, file content comparisons, powerful batch renaming and much much more. It supports the following archive formats: tar, zip, bzip2, gzip, rar, ace, arj and rpm and can handle other KIOSlaves such as smb or fish. It is (almost) completely customizable, very user friendly, fast and looks great on your desktop! :-) " It's the first thing I install on a new install. regards, Richard. > -Rob From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Fri Jan 14 13:41:39 2005 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 08:41:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] CrossOver Office Professional In-Reply-To: <004701c4fa13$359d9960$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> References: <004701c4fa13$359d9960$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Message-ID: <41E7CC13.8060908@snet.net> Gavin Spurgeon wrote: > Hi List... > > >>Hello Everyone, Is anyone using CrossOver Office Professional with Eric's >>4.2? I need to provide a solution to an online course based on --- you >>guessed it, MS. Office Pro. Don't anyone bother to waste time talking >>about OO... We can run the online program with OO, but some of our staff >>are both stuck and not-at-all-too-flexible-in-their-thinking. I may as > > well > >>investigate Cross-Over on thin clients before I explain cost, reliablilty, >>and server load. Thanks all, Jim - still on K12LTSP3.2 > Why? I placed OOo on all machines in every classroom I've taught in over the past three years and my students, at least, were largely unaware that they were using anything different than they were used to...Until, of course, the realized it wasn't crashing and destroying their hard work on the windopes machines. I've used it in the classroom on Macs and Linux boxes, too. When people talk about wasting money on superfluous software, I just shake my head. that's taxpayer dollars that could be better spent elsewhere in a school. If people want to copmlain about the cost of education, they should really start becoming aware of better & cheaper alternatives to many superfluous spending habits. OSS, of course, is one of the best examples. -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From petre at maltzen.net Fri Jan 14 14:03:57 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 08:03:57 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] the /etc/skel directory.. In-Reply-To: <1105648366.18586.34.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <011320052007.24057.41E6D4F20005792F00005DF922007589429C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> <1105648366.18586.34.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <41E7D14D.2010304@maltzen.net> Les Mikesell wrote: > On Thu, 2005-01-13 at 14:07, dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > >>A way around the customization issue it to create .cshrc.pers in >>addition to the .cshrc (if using csh, change for .profile) in >>/etc/skel, then at the end of the .cshrc in /etc/skel include >> > > > I think you mean .profile for sh or bash, but I didn't know > anyone still used csh these days. > Indeed, anyone still using csh should read http://www.faqs.org/faqs/unix-faq/shell/csh-whynot/ Petre From petre at maltzen.net Fri Jan 14 14:06:58 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 08:06:58 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] renaming IceWM In-Reply-To: <1105656473.18586.52.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <20050113115043.7F07B3991@mprdmxin.myway.com> <1105638583.3647.3.camel@roop.ltsp> <41E6F7B9.7070303@maltzen.net> <1105656473.18586.52.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <41E7D202.3090707@maltzen.net> http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Turning%20off%20the%20automatic%20loading%20of%20Nautilus%20under%20IceWM Les Mikesell wrote: > On Thu, 2005-01-13 at 16:35, Petre Scheie wrote: > >>Note that Sudev's suggestion works only if you are running Nautilus with IceWM. >> IceWM by itself does not support desktop icons, which is part of the reason it >>consumes much less resources. And Nautilus tends to consume a lot of resources, >>so if this is on old hardware, you may want to stay away from it. > > > How do you avoid it? I select an Icewm session and launchers show up on > the desktop automatically and a right-mouse on the desktop offers a > choice to create a new one. > From petre at maltzen.net Fri Jan 14 14:24:36 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 08:24:36 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] renaming IceWM In-Reply-To: <20050114111045.22F0B3A37@mprdmxin.myway.com> References: <20050114111045.22F0B3A37@mprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <41E7D624.8030503@maltzen.net> The other thing you could do would be to write a little script for each application and in the script check to see if /home is local or nfs mounted, and then use ssh if it is nfs mounted, and don't if it isn't. For example: if mount | grep home |grep : ; then ooffice else ssh computer1 ooffice fi Do it by hand first of course, because I think the above if statement will return a 1 when it fails and a 0 when successful. The greps look for home and then look for a colon which I think will only be present if a hostname is part of the providing partition, i.e., its mounted across the network via nfs. There may be a more robust way to detect it. Petre Rob Owens wrote: > Sounds like I could do a similar thing by using a submenu anyway. I was thinking about creating a submenu that says "computer 2" and under that I could have an OpenOffice selection which runs the appropriate ssh command. But I was kinda hoping that I could come up w/ something a little more transparent than that. > > -Rob > > > --- On Thu 01/13, Petre Scheie < petre at maltzen.net > wrote: > From: Petre Scheie [mailto: petre at maltzen.net] > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:35:37 -0600 > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] renaming IceWM > > Note that Sudev's suggestion works only if you are running Nautilus with IceWM.
IceWM by itself does not support desktop icons, which is part of the reason it
consumes much less resources. And Nautilus tends to consume a lot of resources,
so if this is on old hardware, you may want to stay away from it.

Petre

Sudev Barar wrote:
> On Thu, 2005-01-13 at 06:50 -0500, Rob Owens wrote:
>
>>What's a launcher? Is it like another submenu or something?
>>
>
>
> Launcher is an Icon on your desktop. Right click on the desktop and you
> will see a menu for creating a launcher. Fill up name you want to give
> and the command that the launcher is to run when the icon is pressed.
> It is fairly easy.

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> > _______________________________________________ > No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. > Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Fri Jan 14 14:52:18 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 08:52:18 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] lightweight file manager? In-Reply-To: <20050114111718.F40C23A40@mprdmxin.myway.com> References: <20050114111718.F40C23A40@mprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <41E7DCA2.5070908@maltzen.net> I'd stick with xwc. Some caveats: I almost always have file managers in the "show detailed list" view, because I want to see the date, size, etc.; I'm not big on icon views. I also want to be able to customize what app is launched when I double-click on a file, and I like to be able to right-click on the file an choose from multiple applications for a file, e.g., I like to switch between xPDF and AcroRead. A few months back I, too, was looking for a light, quick file manager to use under IceWM, and I looked at several. Konqueror and Nautilus were too slow/piggish. For performance reasons, I avoided any that needed Gnome or KDE libraries, as those seem to only work well on beefier machines, and tried to focus on those that were just 'X based'. emelFM wouldn't easily display the date and other properties (I didn't want to have to move the slider bar back and forth). Another one, whose name I can't recall, didn't include the year in the date fields, and so when sorted by date, a file from April, 2004 would be listed above a file from November, 2002. If you search freshmeat.net or google for 'lighweight file manager' you'll get several hits, including some commentary by people who also looked around and stuck with xwc. It's kinda old fashioned in some ways, but it's consistent, and it's fast even on old machines with little memory. Petre Rob Owens wrote: > Can anybody recommend a lightweight file manager? I'm using IceWM and loading either Konqueror (which I like) or Nautilus takes a long time--a couple of seconds on my non-LTSP'd 2.0 Celeron. I downloaded X-WinCommander http://xwc.sourceforge.net/ and it loads like lightening, but I really like the Konqueror look much more. Plus I haven't tested it out for functionality yet. > > There are a couple others I've come across on the internet, like gentoo (a file manager, not the distro) http://www.obsession.se/gentoo/ > > I figured I'd ask and see if anybody had a suggestion before I try every file manager I can find. > > -Rob > > _______________________________________________ > No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. > Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dahopkins at comcast.net Fri Jan 14 14:54:41 2005 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:54:41 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] the /etc/skel directory.. Message-ID: <011420051454.24221.41E7DD3100094FB600005E9D22070029539C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> > > > Les Mikesell wrote: > > On Thu, 2005-01-13 at 14:07, dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > > > >>A way around the customization issue it to create .cshrc.pers in > >>addition to the .cshrc (if using csh, change for .profile) in > >>/etc/skel, then at the end of the .cshrc in /etc/skel include > >> > > > > > > I think you mean .profile for sh or bash, but I didn't know > > anyone still used csh these days. > > > Indeed, anyone still using csh should read > http://www.faqs.org/faqs/unix-faq/shell/csh-whynot/ > First, it was just an example of how we handle the login script concern. That said, Uhmm, nope, csh. I understand the criticisms, its just that we have alot of things that were originally written using csh, so ... call it legacy. We have codes/scripts/etc written in virtually every 'flavor of the month' that has existed. Personally, I like sh or bash, but run often run in tcsh since it is more compatible with alot of the environments I find myself in. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins From aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org Fri Jan 14 16:41:03 2005 From: aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org (aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:41:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: best distro for laptop In-Reply-To: <41E71ED1.7030505@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <1896268128.1105702863@[10.2.33.163]> >>I run SuSE Linux Pro 9.2 on my laptop, and everything works perfectly-->>wireless, video, sound, you name it. Also easy to use. My hardware is a >>Delll Latitude P4 1.7GHz. --TP Hi TP, I visit the SuSE website everyday :) Do you participate in any update/service program from SuSE ? On my workstation (laptop) I need a break from "getting things to work" to just knocking out projects. Thanks, Tom Ventresco From aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org Fri Jan 14 16:50:07 2005 From: aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org (aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:50:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: best distro for laptop In-Reply-To: <20050113143135.057350a1.rfreidel@computergeex.com> Message-ID: <1896812768.1105703407@[10.2.33.163]> >>If fast updates are what you are looking for I don't think there is a distro any >>faster than Arch Linux. Thanks Ron. I see some ISO's in my near future. Tom V. From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Jan 14 18:35:42 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:35:42 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] backuppc In-Reply-To: <1104253528.18599.75.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1104253528.18599.75.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <41E810FE.4040007@paasda.org> Les Mikesell wrote: >A user on the backuppc list recently posted a link to his >step by step HOWTO for fedora: >http://www.mybizguard.com/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=10 >It assumes that you know how to use CPAN to install perl modules >and the clients are windows boxes using the cygwin rsync program >but if anyone gets that far and has trouble or wants to use >a different client target or method I'll be happy to answer >questions. > >--- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > Les, Yay, the cgi-part is bite'n me in the butt...other than that I found the 'smb' parameter and changed to 'rsync'...(better? worse? than rsyncd?) is there anything special I need to do to my LTSP box that I'm backing up or the BackupPC box, so the BackupPC box be able to talk to it? and I still haven't found the 'manual start' to make the backup begin...it seemed to do it automagically attempt this morning at about 2am or so, but it was trying 'smb' not 'rsync'...so failed. --Huck From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Fri Jan 14 19:37:48 2005 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:37:48 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] arcpd using 50% cpu usage Message-ID: <41E81F8C.2040807@chinooksedge.ab.ca> Does anyone know why I have a process (arcpd) running up 50% CPU useage on a dual Xeon 2.4Ghz & 4Gb RAM ... I don't know what this process belongs to, or why is starts. I can kill the process and the system seems to run just fine after that. anyone know what arcpd is? thanks Joe From les at futuresource.com Fri Jan 14 20:57:07 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:57:07 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] lightweight file manager? In-Reply-To: <41E7DCA2.5070908@maltzen.net> References: <20050114111718.F40C23A40@mprdmxin.myway.com> <41E7DCA2.5070908@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1105736227.3082.166.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2005-01-14 at 08:52, Petre Scheie wrote: > A few months back I, too, was looking for a light, quick file manager to use > under IceWM, and I looked at several. Konqueror and Nautilus were too > slow/piggish. Does xwc run in the desktop/root window like Nautilus with IceWM? I like the way it looks/works and didn't even realize it was a separate program until now, but I probably don't need all the functionality. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From cliebow at downeast.net Fri Jan 14 21:05:46 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 21:05:46 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] lightweight file manager? Message-ID: <200501142009.j0EK9t225728@downeast.net> derek and i are using rox and icewm..i am still testing the thing...chuck> On Fri, 2005-01-14 at 08:52, Petre Scheie wrote: > > A few months back I, too, was looking for a light, quick file manager to use > > under IceWM, and I looked at several. Konqueror and Nautilus were too > > slow/piggish. > > Does xwc run in the desktop/root window like Nautilus with IceWM? I > like the way it looks/works and didn't even realize it was a separate > program until now, but I probably don't need all the functionality. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From pvdw at criticalcontrol.com Fri Jan 14 21:07:47 2005 From: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com (Pete) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:07:47 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] arcpd using 50% cpu usage In-Reply-To: <41E81F8C.2040807@chinooksedge.ab.ca> References: <41E81F8C.2040807@chinooksedge.ab.ca> Message-ID: <41E834A3.2080205@criticalcontrol.com> Joe Guenther wrote: > anyone know what arcpd is? > That's from the Adaptec Raid Controller I suppose... Isn't it the deamon that is needed for remote management? Peter -- Any technology distinguishable from foodoo-magic is insufficiently advanced. Peter Van den Wildenbergh Linux System Administrator (& advocate) CriticalControl Solutions Inc. Bow Valley Square II Suite 2400 205 - 5th avenue SW Calgary, AB T2P 2V7 T 403.705.7500 F 403.705.7555 From petre at maltzen.net Fri Jan 14 21:35:45 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 15:35:45 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] lightweight file manager? In-Reply-To: <1105736227.3082.166.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <20050114111718.F40C23A40@mprdmxin.myway.com> <41E7DCA2.5070908@maltzen.net> <1105736227.3082.166.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <41E83B31.3070508@maltzen.net> I don't think so; or at least I don't run it that way. One of the gee-that's-cool-but-not-everyone-liked-it features of Nautilus was its ability/insistance on taking over the desktop. I never cared for it mostly because it was so slow and made everything else drop to a crawl also. It has since gotten much better, but it still requires a fair amount of horsepower. There's the idesk project for creating desktop icons in lightweight window managers. I haven't tried it yet, but hope to soon. It might make for a good alternative to Nautilus-with-Icewm for K12LTSP. Petre Les Mikesell wrote: > On Fri, 2005-01-14 at 08:52, Petre Scheie wrote: > >>A few months back I, too, was looking for a light, quick file manager to use >>under IceWM, and I looked at several. Konqueror and Nautilus were too >>slow/piggish. > > > Does xwc run in the desktop/root window like Nautilus with IceWM? I > like the way it looks/works and didn't even realize it was a separate > program until now, but I probably don't need all the functionality. > From blueflame315 at cogeco.ca Fri Jan 14 21:48:22 2005 From: blueflame315 at cogeco.ca (Jordan Hutchings) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 16:48:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] k12 over a network Message-ID: <41E83E26.6020905@cogeco.ca> I'm currently running into a problem with the option broadcast-address. The current situation is that we are running our server in a classroom and then a client in another classroom. The problem is that the server and client must communicate using the school's prebuilt windows network. Is there a possible solution to this or do we have to run the client and server on a seperate switch/series of hubs than the main school server? From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Jan 14 21:50:47 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:50:47 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] lightweight file manager? In-Reply-To: <41E83B31.3070508@maltzen.net> References: <20050114111718.F40C23A40@mprdmxin.myway.com> <41E7DCA2.5070908@maltzen.net> <1105736227.3082.166.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <41E83B31.3070508@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1105739447.25413.219.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> On Fri, 2005-01-14 at 15:35 -0600, Petre Scheie wrote: > I don't think so; or at least I don't run it that way. One of the > gee-that's-cool-but-not-everyone-liked-it features of Nautilus was its > ability/insistance on taking over the desktop. I never cared for it mostly > because it was so slow and made everything else drop to a crawl also. It has > since gotten much better, but it still requires a fair amount of horsepower. > There's the idesk project for creating desktop icons in lightweight window > managers. I haven't tried it yet, but hope to soon. It might make for a good > alternative to Nautilus-with-Icewm for K12LTSP. Yeah, lightweight "desktop icons" would be a great addition. I note that both Windows and Macs tend to have fewer and fewer icons on their respective desktops, but users still expect that feature. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From les at futuresource.com Fri Jan 14 22:12:41 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 16:12:41 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] lightweight file manager? In-Reply-To: <1105739447.25413.219.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <20050114111718.F40C23A40@mprdmxin.myway.com> <41E7DCA2.5070908@maltzen.net> <1105736227.3082.166.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <41E83B31.3070508@maltzen.net> <1105739447.25413.219.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1105740761.10028.29.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2005-01-14 at 15:50, Eric Harrison wrote: > Yeah, lightweight "desktop icons" would be a great addition. I note that > both Windows and Macs tend to have fewer and fewer icons on their > respective desktops, but users still expect that feature. Yes - if the icons can include folders and the folders can include launchers, you really don't need any other menu structure or special-case ways of creating menus. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From cliebow at downeast.net Fri Jan 14 22:52:02 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 22:52:02 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] k12 over a network Message-ID: <200501142156.j0ELuB209775@downeast.net> look over bhaskar mandas alternate dhcp article on ltsp.org..i use alternate dhcp port 1001 but romomatic has provision for port 1067..Or you could use windows dhcp with options 17 66 67 to provide boot path root path next-server if you don't have isa nics so i use a single nic server which passes addresses in arange excluded in windows on alternate port..chuck > I'm currently running into a problem with the option broadcast-address. > The current situation is that we are running our server in a classroom > and then a client in another classroom. The problem is that the server > and client must communicate using the school's prebuilt windows network. > Is there a possible solution to this or do we have to run the client and > server on a seperate switch/series of hubs than the main school server? > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From missive at hotmail.com Fri Jan 14 22:59:59 2005 From: missive at hotmail.com (Lee Harr) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 03:29:59 +0430 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP not setting gateway Message-ID: Hi; I have been running a terminal server for quite a while using FreeBSD. I follow this list for ideas, and decided to set up a k12ltsp server to see how it compares. So ... I have k12ltsp 4.2 installed and it works very nicely. One problem I have is that the outside nic gets an address from DHCP, but the gateway is not set correctly. So each time I boot the system, I have to su and do route add default gw .... I looked through all of the configuration dialogs, and saw the place to add addresses to interfaces, but that is not working. I think it wants to add _another_ address, when all I really want is the one address with the correct gateway. I believe it should be set automatically by DHCP, right? Any hints what I may be doing wrong, or how I can fix this? _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat Jan 15 00:39:55 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 19:39:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: best distro for laptop In-Reply-To: <1896268128.1105702863@[10.2.33.163]> References: <1896268128.1105702863@[10.2.33.163]> Message-ID: <41E8665B.9080007@cmosnetworks.com> aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org wrote: >>> I run SuSE Linux Pro 9.2 on my laptop, and everything works >> > perfectly-->>wireless, video, sound, you name it. Also easy to use. > My hardware is a >>Delll Latitude P4 1.7GHz. --TP > > Hi TP, I visit the SuSE website everyday :) Do you participate in > any update/service program from SuSE ? On my workstation (laptop) I > need a break from "getting things to work" to just knocking out projects. > Thanks, > Tom Ventresco Hi Tom, I have a desktop running SuSE 9.1 Pro; I just tell it to go look for updates every so often, and boom, it does it. You can even tell it to automagically do it for you w/o prompting (I'm a little too paranoid for that). Haven't yet tried it on the laptop, but I'd guess that it'd be similar. I find SuSE 9.1+ to "just work" very nicely, though 9.2 is better with wireless. I can also confirm that Slackware GNU/Linux 8.1+ works pretty well with laptops; I was actually running Slack 8.1 and 9.0 on my laptop for about a year before I put SuSE 9.2 on it (my other laptop runs Slackware 9.1 and will continue to do so). However, getting wireless to work takes a little bit of work, but boy, is that distro clean and easy to tweak. Everything is just plain standard--no surprises or "weirdness" with configuration. Therefore, my main desktop at home runs Slack 10.0. --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From les at futuresource.com Sat Jan 15 01:32:02 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 19:32:02 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] backuppc In-Reply-To: <41E810FE.4040007@paasda.org> References: <1104253528.18599.75.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <41E810FE.4040007@paasda.org> Message-ID: <1105752721.27547.18.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2005-01-14 at 12:35, Huck wrote: > Les, > Yay, the cgi-part is bite'n me in the butt... On RedHat/Fedora you may need to: yum install perl-suidperl Look for the error messages in /var/log/httpd/error_log. > other than that I found the > 'smb' parameter and changed to 'rsync'...(better? worse? than rsyncd?) If the target is unix/linux rsync is probably what you want. > is there anything special I need to do to my LTSP box that I'm backing > up or the BackupPC box, so the BackupPC box be able to talk to it? You need to set up ssh keys so the backuppc user can execute commands as root on the target machine without a password prompt. > and I still haven't found the 'manual start' to make the backup > begin...it seemed to do it automagically attempt this morning at about > 2am or so, but It is in the web page for the host. You may need to set up http authentication so you can log in as the backuppc admin or the 'owner' for that host to see it. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat Jan 15 01:40:40 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 20:40:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] k12 over a network In-Reply-To: <41E83E26.6020905@cogeco.ca> References: <41E83E26.6020905@cogeco.ca> Message-ID: <41E87498.8010104@cmosnetworks.com> Jordan Hutchings wrote: > I'm currently running into a problem with the option > broadcast-address. The current situation is that we are running our > server in a classroom and then a client in another classroom. The > problem is that the server and client must communicate using the > school's prebuilt windows network. Is there a possible solution to > this or do we have to run the client and server on a seperate > switch/series of hubs than the main school server? > This question has been addressed in this forum many times. I'm in the same situation; on my network, the K12LTSP server, running Samba, is also a file server for the Windows boxes. It is easy to set this up. What you want on your K12LTSP server is a "single-NIC" install. Look up the thread "LTSP on same network as Windows", for messages dated August 21, 2004, for how to do this. It's a snap. --TP From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat Jan 15 01:47:27 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?UTF-8?B?IlRlcnJlbGwgUHJ1ZMOpLCBKci4i?=) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 20:47:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] k12 over a network In-Reply-To: <41E83E26.6020905@cogeco.ca> References: <41E83E26.6020905@cogeco.ca> Message-ID: <41E8762F.2050805@cmosnetworks.com> Jordan Hutchings wrote: > I'm currently running into a problem with the option > broadcast-address. The current situation is that we are running our > server in a classroom and then a client in another classroom. The > problem is that the server and client must communicate using the > school's prebuilt windows network. Is there a possible solution to > this or do we have to run the client and server on a seperate > switch/series of hubs than the main school server? Also check the thread "Single NIC Setup" late June and early July 2004. --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From lsrpm at mts.net Sat Jan 15 02:02:18 2005 From: lsrpm at mts.net (Liam Marshall) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 20:02:18 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] 4.2 Upgraded, now questions In-Reply-To: <972DF372-6627-11D9-BD80-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> Message-ID: <001101c4faa6$3e56fd60$6400a8c0@LiamsLapTop> The IBM 300PL comes with an onboard video card Matrox Graphics Inc. 2 MB of memory. The chip shows MGA on it. And MGA is one of the supported cards specifically listed in the default lts.conf It does appear to be picking that driver up when it queries the video card. Short of that I don't know. I am actually assuming it is picking the MGA driver. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Burke Almquist Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 6:27 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] 4.2 Upgraded, now questions -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 What is the video card and what driver are you using? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkHnupUACgkQfqZR3ThMfXRzSwCgiOkbVYklPNDWrdZUkQE6EU0N 0zYAn2XqsU/Tyrg4oacelysg8RpVFQMc =u5I6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From sudev at mantraonline.com Sat Jan 15 02:53:09 2005 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 08:23:09 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Configuring Workstations Views and Defaults In-Reply-To: <20050114120058.450C23990@mprdmxin.myway.com> References: <20050114120058.450C23990@mprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <1105757589.31252.1.camel@server.ltsp> On Fri, 2005-01-14 at 17:30, Rob Owens wrote: > Many, if not all, of these customization settings are in hidden files in the user's home directory. I can't speak for Firefox, but with Mozilla there is a ~/.mozilla directory which, a few subdirectories into it, you will find a bookmarks.html file. Replace that with your pre-prepared default bookmarks file. I'm not sure where the homepage selection is kept, but I'd expect to find it somewhere in the .mozilla directory tree. > > Same thing probably goes for all other defaults you want to set. For your desktop, look for ~./gnome or something similar (maybe somebody on the list could tell you exactly, because I don't use Gnome). > > -Rob > > --- On Thu 01/13, Selzler, Bruce < SelzlerB at esuhsd.org > wrote: > From: Selzler, Bruce [mailto: SelzlerB at esuhsd.org] > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 07:47:25 -0800 > Subject: [K12OSN] Configuring Workstations Views and Defaults > > Hello Team,

I am trying to find information on how to "customize" the LTSP server so
that I can control default settings that the users at the workstations
see when they log on.

For example, I would like to be able to set a default home page in
Firefox. A default set of bookmarks. A default desktop, Etc.

I've looked through the documentation and the FAQ, but I'm not seeing
anything like this. Unless the language is just over my head.

Is there a quick a dirty document that identifies stuff like this? I
suspect there are others that would be interested as well.

Thanks.

- Sez

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Digital High School Resource Teacher
http://homepage.mac.com/sez
selzlerb at esuhsd.org
sez at mac.com
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cell: (408) 893.6161
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__! __! > ___________________________________________
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And setting permissions to this file in .mozilla, as mentioned by Rob, to 755 would ensure that users are not able to overwrite of change??? -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From sudev at mantraonline.com Sat Jan 15 02:55:07 2005 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 08:25:07 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Configuring Workstations Views and Defaults In-Reply-To: <20050114120058.450C23990@mprdmxin.myway.com> References: <20050114120058.450C23990@mprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <1105757707.31252.4.camel@server.ltsp> On Fri, 2005-01-14 at 17:30, Rob Owens wrote: > Many, if not all, of these customization settings are in hidden files in the user's home directory. I can't speak for Firefox, but with Mozilla there is a ~/.mozilla directory which, a few subdirectories into it, you will find a bookmarks.html file. Replace that with your pre-prepared default bookmarks file. I'm not sure where the homepage selection is kept, but I'd expect to find it somewhere in the .mozilla directory tree. > > Same thing probably goes for all other defaults you want to set. For your desktop, look for ~./gnome or something similar (maybe somebody on the list could tell you exactly, because I don't use Gnome). > > -Rob > > --- On Thu 01/13, Selzler, Bruce < SelzlerB at esuhsd.org > wrote: > From: Selzler, Bruce [mailto: SelzlerB at esuhsd.org] > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 07:47:25 -0800 > Subject: [K12OSN] Configuring Workstations Views and Defaults > > Hello Team,

I am trying to find information on how to "customize" the LTSP server so
that I can control default settings that the users at the workstations
see when they log on.

For example, I would like to be able to set a default home page in
Firefox. A default set of bookmarks. A default desktop, Etc.

I've looked through the documentation and the FAQ, but I'm not seeing
anything like this. Unless the language is just over my head.

Is there a quick a dirty document that identifies stuff like this? I
suspect there are others that would be interested as well.

Thanks.

- Sez

*********************************************
Bruce Selzler
Digital High School Resource Teacher
http://homepage.mac.com/sez
selzlerb at esuhsd.org
sez at mac.com
office:(408) 347.4936
cell: (408) 893.6161
mobile msg: 4088936161 at mobile.att.net
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__! __! And setting permission of 755 to the file under .mozzila mentioned by Rob would ensure that user is not able to modify this??? -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From robark at telus.net Sat Jan 15 04:43:51 2005 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 20:43:51 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] lightweight file manager? In-Reply-To: <200501142009.j0EK9t225728@downeast.net> References: <200501142009.j0EK9t225728@downeast.net> Message-ID: <41E89F87.3000608@telus.net> cliebow at downeast.net wrote: >derek and i are using rox and icewm..i am still testing the thing...chuck> > > I'm trying ROX at home BUT... You can't copy/paste more than 1 file at a time. Try selecting a bunch of files with the mouse and right click to copy, it's greyed out. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V219 From cliebow at downeast.net Sat Jan 15 13:37:00 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:37:00 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP not setting gateway Message-ID: <200501151241.j0FCf5811255@downeast.net> can you set option routers 10.10.0.1?? > Hi; > > I have been running a terminal server for quite a while using FreeBSD. > I follow this list for ideas, and decided to set up a k12ltsp server to > see how it compares. So ... > > I have k12ltsp 4.2 installed and it works very nicely. > > One problem I have is that the outside nic gets an address from DHCP, > but the gateway is not set correctly. So each time I boot the system, > I have to su and do route add default gw .... > > I looked through all of the configuration dialogs, and saw the place to > add addresses to interfaces, but that is not working. I think it wants > to add _another_ address, when all I really want is the one address > with the correct gateway. > > I believe it should be set automatically by DHCP, right? > > Any hints what I may be doing wrong, or how I can fix this? > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From gary.frederick at jsoft.com Sat Jan 15 17:22:10 2005 From: gary.frederick at jsoft.com (Gary Frederick) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 11:22:10 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenGL and k12ltsp 4.1 Message-ID: <41E95142.8080900@jsoft.com> Howdy, I am failing to install pyro (robotics software) on a k12ltsp 4.1 system. Part of the problems are because some of the OpenGL software is in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/X11R6/include rather than the usual places. I have been getting past all those places but just hit a problem with freeglut. I got the fedora freeglut rpms and it will not install because it thinks libGL is not installed. It is, but rpm is not picking it up. I have till Monday to get pyro working and build a demo... What should I do? Gary From Linux_Man at comcast.net Sat Jan 15 18:28:45 2005 From: Linux_Man at comcast.net (Brian Beck) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:28:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenGL and k12ltsp 4.1 In-Reply-To: <41E95142.8080900@jsoft.com> References: <41E95142.8080900@jsoft.com> Message-ID: <41E960DD.9060707@comcast.net> Gary Frederick wrote: > Howdy, > > I am failing to install pyro (robotics software) on a k12ltsp 4.1 > system. Part of the problems are because some of the OpenGL software is > in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/X11R6/include rather than the usual places. I have > been getting past all those places but just hit a problem with freeglut. > I got the fedora freeglut rpms and it will not install because it thinks > libGL is not installed. It is, but rpm is not picking it up. > > I have till Monday to get pyro working and build a demo... > > What should I do? > > Gary > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > Have you tried creating symbolic links in the places where RPM would expect the libraries to be to the actual files? From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Sat Jan 15 18:35:06 2005 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 10:35:06 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenGL and k12ltsp 4.1 In-Reply-To: <41E95142.8080900@jsoft.com> References: <41E95142.8080900@jsoft.com> Message-ID: <1105814106.13062.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2005-01-15 at 11:22 -0600, Gary Frederick wrote: > I am failing to install pyro (robotics software) on a k12ltsp 4.1 > system. Part of the problems are because some of the OpenGL software is > in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/X11R6/include rather than the usual places. I have > been getting past all those places but just hit a problem with freeglut. > I got the fedora freeglut rpms and it will not install because it thinks > libGL is not installed. It is, but rpm is not picking it up. > > I have till Monday to get pyro working and build a demo... > > What should I do? You may need it install xorg-x11-Mesa-libGL -- Dan Young From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sat Jan 15 20:50:19 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 12:50:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] OpenGL and k12ltsp 4.1 In-Reply-To: <41E95142.8080900@jsoft.com> References: <41E95142.8080900@jsoft.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 15 Jan 2005, Gary Frederick wrote: > Howdy, > > I am failing to install pyro (robotics software) on a k12ltsp 4.1 system. Part > of the problems are because some of the OpenGL software is in > /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/X11R6/include rather than the usual places. I have been ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Note that the software in /opt/ltsp/ is for the TERMINALS ONLY, not for use on the server. If you are installing software that runs on the server, IGNORE everything in /opt/ltsp/ > getting past all those places but just hit a problem with freeglut. I got the > fedora freeglut rpms and it will not install because it thinks libGL is not > installed. It is, but rpm is not picking it up. Using yum (or apt or up2date) to install rpms is much better than trying to manually install rpms, it will take care of the dependancies for you (if possible). Try this: yum install freeglut -Eric From rmcp at pps.k12.or.us Sat Jan 15 22:05:18 2005 From: rmcp at pps.k12.or.us (Dick McPartland) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 14:05:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Linux Clinic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50085.4.5.23.162.1105826718.webmail@inside.pps.k12.or.us> Has the Linux Clinic at Riverdale been cancelled today? From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sat Jan 15 22:08:34 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 14:08:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Linux Clinic In-Reply-To: <50085.4.5.23.162.1105826718.webmail@inside.pps.k12.or.us> References: <50085.4.5.23.162.1105826718.webmail@inside.pps.k12.or.us> Message-ID: On Sat, 15 Jan 2005, Dick McPartland wrote: > Has the Linux Clinic at Riverdale been cancelled today? Yes. -Eric From dahopkins at comcast.net Sat Jan 15 22:57:08 2005 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (Dave Hopkins) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 17:57:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: setting gnome file manager defaults In-Reply-To: <1105757589.31252.1.camel@server.ltsp> References: <20050114120058.450C23990@mprdmxin.myway.com> <1105757589.31252.1.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <41E99FC4.8080703@comcast.net> Okay, this is OT, but ... after upgrading to 4.1, double clicking the home folder opens Nautilus in some reduced view (just icons, no address bar, ...). Right clicking and picking Browse gets the view I was expecting. This is a change from how RH9 was launching the File browser. How do I get the old behavior back? Better yet, is there a way to define (per user or system-wide) what file browser is launched when the home folder is double clicked? Thanks, Dave Hopkins Newark Charter School From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sat Jan 15 23:36:32 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 18:36:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Northeast Linux Conference in Maine Message-ID: Ok everyone, As promised I am posting the dates for the Gould Academy Summer Linux Seminar (we need to come up with a better name) at Gould Academy in Bethel, Maine. As I mentioned earlier last fall....for the past couple of years we have hosted an awesome three-day Linux Seminar in the beautiful Western Mountains of Maine. We provide room and board (the meals are incredible) for $400. (price this year not set yet, but I imagine it'll be about the same) Last year we had folks from as far away as Vancouver B.C. and Toronto as well as many folks from around New England. It's a great three days of learning, discussion, and hanging out with other folks of varying Linux backgrounds. Many of the folks in attendance are in the education field as that's how the whole thing started, but last year we saw several folks who are working with libraries and others in the business world....in fact we had a couple from IBM and HP! Anyway...the tentative dates for this year are June 19th, 20th, and 21st. We normally have it a w eek later, but scheduling issues on campus have forced us to go a bit earlier. Hopefully everyone can still make it. I will post the actual cost and information on where to send checks, PO's, and registrations in a week or so, but in the meantime if you are interested in attending...drop me a line at dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us so I can add you to my mailing list....and block out those dates! For those of you interested in travel arrangements....the closest airports are (in order of distance) Portland, Maine......Manchester, NH....Portsmouth, NH (Pan AM only)...Bangor, ME.....Boston, MA. There is also Amtrak and Bus service to Portland and other Maine cities. Hope you can come! If you are interested in being a presenter...let me know that too as we will be setting that up soon as well (and we do pay the presenters a fee) :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From cliebow at downeast.net Sun Jan 16 01:17:11 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 01:17:11 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Re: boston Message-ID: <200501160021.j0G0LB818900@downeast.net> hey david you thought about a place to stay in boston?jammcq ll be at the marriott..chuck --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Sun Jan 16 02:45:54 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 18:45:54 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Chilean Govt. Announces 600 Schools to Use EduLinux Message-ID: http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS7080845451.html "Linux Insider reports that Enlaces, the Chilean government's high school Internet access network, is planning to install Linux-based Edulinux thin-client systems at 600 schools, following a trial at 25 locations. "Edulinux is based on K12LTSP, a school-oriented spin-off of the Linux Terminal Server Project that allows schools to use old computers that lack the required resources to run modern applications or the latest operating systems." -- Steve Hargadon 916-652-8600 ext. 711 From sudev at mantraonline.com Sun Jan 16 10:56:02 2005 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:26:02 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] [Possibel Bug] mysql not starting Message-ID: <1105872962.28820.7.camel@server.ltsp> On install of K12LTSP-4.2 I found that mysqld service would not start. Investigating revealed that if you have installed selinux then this prevents mysql to be properly installed. Solution I found was to: 1. Change to root 2. edit /etc/grub.conf and added selinux=0 at end of the boot parameter. 3. Wrote grub by giving command #grub 4. After re-boot gave command # mysql_install_db Is there any other way? Perhaps by giving proper policies for SeLinux? It is issue with FC3 rather than K12LTSP4.2 -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au Sat Jan 15 23:44:19 2005 From: debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au (Debbie Schiel) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 09:44:19 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] problem with classroom-user and animation In-Reply-To: <20050111113753.D38E4399A@mprdmxin.myway.com> References: <20050111113753.D38E4399A@mprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <41E9AAD3.1060407@redeemer.qld.edu.au> I've a similar thing going for our primary school (190 kids). Upper primary have individual logins, but ALL our PCs have a yellow sticker on them with a name like Y302 (Year 3's second PC) and these are usernames that our junior school kids can use to login with - and they don't have passwords. Rob Owens wrote: > I have a not-very-scientific answer for #1. You could label each workstation with a login and password and tell the students they must enter that information when they want to use the computer. > > -Rob > > > > --- On Fri 01/07, Luca Navone < lucanavo at libero.it > wrote: > From: Luca Navone [mailto: lucanavo at libero.it] > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 22:42:44 +0100 > Subject: [K12OSN] problem with classroom-user and animation > > Hallo, it's the first time that I use this mailing list. I hope don't make mistakes using it! I've installed k12ltsp in the primary school informatic lab, where I teach. I meet two problems.
1) I want to use a "classroom login" not an individual login (it is not important in a primary school to have a personal login, it is most important the class work). So I've added some users as:
classe_prima_a (in english: class_first_a)
classe_prima_b
classe_seconda_a
etc.
Every time that a client make the login the server respond something of this kind: "you are already connected, do you want connected another time?"
I answer yes every time and every client display the desktop of the classroom that I wish. Perfect? No, because now start the problem: if I launch openoffice writer on pc n?1 it open a session on pc n?1 but if also pc n?2 launch openoffice writer there will be another session on pc n? 1. If also all the seven clients launch openoffice writer all the s e! > ssion are opened on pc n?1.
Could be a solution? It is not very easy administrate 260 or more children, and it is not useful...

2) The second problem. The animation. I am amazing because a big and fat program as openoffice or mozilla starts in few seconds (from a client) and works fine and a more simple program as tuxmath works with a slowness that make it unuseful.
I tought the problem was the hub and so I tried to connect only one client with the server with a cross-cable, but the problem was quite the same. The velocity on the client was 1/10 of the same program on the server.
Are there some tricks for make faster this kind of programs? In a primary school they are very important....

Thanks for the help!

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> > _______________________________________________ > No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. > Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Sun Jan 16 17:23:50 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 12:23:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: setting gnome file manager defaults Message-ID: <1105896230.6230.998.camel@localhost.localdomain> You bring up a good point. One of the hassles with upgrading are these subtle changes in the file manager. Less experienced users really get confused. I observe these types of file management confusions when training new users on the various apps. John Dave Hopkins Wrote: Okay, this is OT, but ... after upgrading to 4.1, double clicking the home folder opens Nautilus in some reduced view (just icons, no address bar, ...). Right clicking and picking Browse gets the view I was expecting. This is a change from how RH9 was launching the File browser. How do I get the old behavior back? Better yet, is there a way to define (per user or system-wide) what file browser is launched when the home folder is double clicked? Thanks, Dave Hopkins Newark Charter School From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sun Jan 16 18:28:58 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 13:28:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: boston In-Reply-To: <200501160021.j0G0LB818900@downeast.net> References: <200501160021.j0G0LB818900@downeast.net> Message-ID: Chuck, I'm staying at the Lenox (sounds a lot like Linux). It's about a block or less on the riverside of the Pru Center. Not a big hotel, but nice, elegant...free high speed access....and very resonable price. "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Saturday, January 15, 2005 at 8:17 PM wrote: >hey david you thought about a place to stay in boston?jammcq ll be at the >marriott..chuck > >--------------------------------------------- >This message was sent from Downeast.Net. >http://ellsworthme.com/ > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Sun Jan 16 18:25:10 2005 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 10:25:10 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: setting gnome file manager defaults In-Reply-To: <41E99FC4.8080703@comcast.net> References: <20050114120058.450C23990@mprdmxin.myway.com> <1105757589.31252.1.camel@server.ltsp> <41E99FC4.8080703@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1105899910.8283.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2005-01-15 at 17:57 -0500, Dave Hopkins wrote: > Okay, this is OT, but ... after upgrading to 4.1, double clicking the > home folder opens Nautilus in some reduced view (just icons, no address > bar, ...). Right clicking and picking Browse gets the view I was > expecting. This is a change from how RH9 was launching the File > browser. How do I get the old behavior back? Better yet, is there a > way to define (per user or system-wide) what file browser is launched > when the home folder is double clicked? There was a spat a while back about all that when gnome 2.6 or 2.8 came out which introduced "spatial nautilus". Google that and find the flame wars. My understanding was that GNOME usability studies found that "each folder is a window" was a clearer metaphor than the browser. I happen to like it. YMMV. To change behavior, per user: 1. Preferences 2. File Management 3. Behavior tab 4. Check the "Always open in browser windows" I'm not sure about doing it system-wide, though I'm sure there's a gconf key to tweak. Just looked; take a look at the "always_use_browser" key in: /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults/apps/nautilus/preferences/%gconf.xml This is the part where I complain about the difficulty in mere mortals altering GNOME default settings or defining mandatory settings. The GNOME administrator's guide has some useful information: http://www.gnome.org/learn/admin-guide/2.6/system-admin-guide.html -- Dan Young From les at futuresource.com Sun Jan 16 18:39:27 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 12:39:27 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] [Possibel Bug] mysql not starting In-Reply-To: <1105872962.28820.7.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1105872962.28820.7.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <1105900767.10324.50.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2005-01-16 at 04:56, Sudev Barar wrote: > Is there any other way? Perhaps by giving proper policies for SeLinux? > It is issue with FC3 rather than K12LTSP4.2 I've seen a few other problems mentioned on the fedora mailing list, some of them triggered by updates. I think I'd leave SeLinux disabled on production servers until it has been tested a little better. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Sun Jan 16 18:46:27 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 12:46:27 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] 4.2 update problems Message-ID: <1105901187.10324.58.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> 2 problems with updates on k12ltsp 4.2: Yum is complaining about not having the GPG key for an acroread update. The dovecot update enables dotlock locking for mailboxes but it doesn't have write access to create the file (and shouldn't need it anyway). The fix is to add/change mbox_locks = fcntl in /etc/dovecot.conf. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Sun Jan 16 19:17:17 2005 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 11:17:17 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] 4.2 update problems In-Reply-To: <1105901187.10324.58.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <1105901187.10324.58.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1105903037.8283.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2005-01-16 at 12:46 -0600, Les Mikesell wrote: > The dovecot update enables dotlock locking for mailboxes but it > doesn't have write access to create the file (and shouldn't need > it anyway). The fix is to add/change > mbox_locks = fcntl > in /etc/dovecot.conf. Probably redundant, but here's more on that: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2005-January/msg00582.html -- Dan Young From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Jan 16 19:47:47 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 11:47:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] [Possibel Bug] mysql not starting In-Reply-To: <1105872962.28820.7.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1105872962.28820.7.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: On Sun, 16 Jan 2005, Sudev Barar wrote: > On install of K12LTSP-4.2 I found that mysqld service would not start. > Investigating revealed that if you have installed selinux then this > prevents mysql to be properly installed. > Solution I found was to: > 1. Change to root > 2. edit /etc/grub.conf and added > selinux=0 > at end of the boot parameter. > 3. Wrote grub by giving command > #grub > 4. After re-boot gave command > # mysql_install_db > > Is there any other way? Perhaps by giving proper policies for SeLinux? > It is issue with FC3 rather than K12LTSP4.2 Rather than completely disabling SELinux, you can turn off specific applications if you are having trouble with them. Run system-config-securitylevel (System Settings -> Security Level), click on the SELinux tab, SELinux Service Protection, and click on the Disable SELinux protection for mysqld daemon. -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Jan 16 19:52:04 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 11:52:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] 4.2 update problems In-Reply-To: <1105901187.10324.58.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <1105901187.10324.58.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 16 Jan 2005, Les Mikesell wrote: > Yum is complaining about not having the GPG key for an acroread update. What is the version number it is trying to install and from which repository? This command will give you that info: yum list updates | grep acroread -Eric From les at futuresource.com Sun Jan 16 19:57:22 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 13:57:22 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] 4.2 update problems In-Reply-To: References: <1105901187.10324.58.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1105905442.10324.77.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2005-01-16 at 13:52, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Sun, 16 Jan 2005, Les Mikesell wrote: > > > Yum is complaining about not having the GPG key for an acroread update. > > What is the version number it is trying to install and from which > repository? This command will give you that info: > > yum list updates | grep acroread acroread.i386 5.10-k12ltsp.1.4.2 k12ltsp acroread-plugin.i386 5.10-k12ltsp.1.4.2 k12ltsp -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Jan 16 20:31:47 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 12:31:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] 4.2 update problems In-Reply-To: <1105905442.10324.77.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <1105901187.10324.58.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1105905442.10324.77.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 16 Jan 2005, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Sun, 2005-01-16 at 13:52, Eric Harrison wrote: >> On Sun, 16 Jan 2005, Les Mikesell wrote: >> >>> Yum is complaining about not having the GPG key for an acroread update. >> >> What is the version number it is trying to install and from which >> repository? This command will give you that info: >> >> yum list updates | grep acroread > > acroread.i386 5.10-k12ltsp.1.4.2 k12ltsp > acroread-plugin.i386 5.10-k12ltsp.1.4.2 k12ltsp Hmm, those are indeed the latest packages from my repository. I just triple checked them and they are signed with the K12LTSP key. Can you double check that the K12LTSP key has been imported into your system: rpm --import /usr/share/doc/k12ltsp/*KEY* and then re-run yum update? -Eric From les at futuresource.com Sun Jan 16 20:59:51 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 14:59:51 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] 4.2 update problems In-Reply-To: References: <1105901187.10324.58.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1105905442.10324.77.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1105909191.10324.88.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2005-01-16 at 14:31, Eric Harrison wrote: > Hmm, those are indeed the latest packages from my repository. I just > triple checked them and they are signed with the K12LTSP key. > > Can you double check that the K12LTSP key has been imported into your > system: > > rpm --import /usr/share/doc/k12ltsp/*KEY* > > and then re-run yum update? That fixed it. I'm not sure why it wasn't already there. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From ramonklown at pop.com.br Mon Jan 17 12:16:13 2005 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 10:16:13 -0200 (BRST) Subject: [K12OSN] 4.2 update problems In-Reply-To: <1105909191.10324.88.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <1105901187.10324.58.camel@les-home.futuresource.com><1105905442.10324.77.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1105909191.10324.88.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <60273.201.8.4.7.1105964173.squirrel@popmail7.pop.com.br> Because Fedora Linux gives you the liberty to choose your PGP Keys. So you don't download from any repository (security and badwidth spread "so you don't have 1 million users on one server"). I think apt-get does a much better job just asking you where do you want to download from and that's it. Peace, Ramon > On Sun, 2005-01-16 at 14:31, Eric Harrison wrote: > >> Hmm, those are indeed the latest packages from my repository. I just >> triple checked them and they are signed with the K12LTSP key. >> >> Can you double check that the K12LTSP key has been imported into your >> system: >> >> rpm --import /usr/share/doc/k12ltsp/*KEY* >> >> and then re-run yum update? > > That fixed it. I'm not sure why it wasn't already there. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From cliebow at downeast.net Mon Jan 17 16:20:55 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 16:20:55 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Re: boston Message-ID: <200501171524.j0HFOi412796@downeast.net> i booked there as well!! chuck > Chuck, > > I'm staying at the Lenox (sounds a lot like Linux). It's about a block > or less on the riverside of the Pru Center. Not a big hotel, but nice, > elegant...free high speed access....and very resonable price. > > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Saturday, January 15, 2005 at 8:17 PM wrote: > > > >hey david you thought about a place to stay in boston?jammcq ll be at the > >marriott..chuck > > > >--------------------------------------------- > >This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > >http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From les at futuresource.com Mon Jan 17 16:23:19 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 10:23:19 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] 4.2 update problems In-Reply-To: <60273.201.8.4.7.1105964173.squirrel@popmail7.pop.com.br> References: <1105901187.10324.58.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1105905442.10324.77.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1105909191.10324.88.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <60273.201.8.4.7.1105964173.squirrel@popmail7.pop.com.br> Message-ID: <1105978998.13450.8.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> I thought the PGP key belongs to the repository where the rpm was created, not the mirror that you happen to download from. Normally I run up2date once and let it update at least one package and it installs the PGP key for you. Howvever it must have only added the one for the fedora packages that time. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com On Mon, 2005-01-17 at 06:16, Ramon wrote: > Because Fedora Linux gives you the liberty to choose your PGP Keys. So you don't > download from any repository (security and badwidth spread "so you don't have 1 > million users on one server"). I think apt-get does a much better job just asking > you where do you want to download from and that's it. > > Peace, > Ramon > > > On Sun, 2005-01-16 at 14:31, Eric Harrison wrote: > > > >> Hmm, those are indeed the latest packages from my repository. I just > >> triple checked them and they are signed with the K12LTSP key. > >> > >> Can you double check that the K12LTSP key has been imported into your > >> system: > >> > >> rpm --import /usr/share/doc/k12ltsp/*KEY* > >> > >> and then re-run yum update? > > > > That fixed it. I'm not sure why it wasn't already there. > > > > -- > > Les Mikesell > > les at futuresource.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From visentind at hdsb.ca Mon Jan 17 16:57:04 2005 From: visentind at hdsb.ca (Dan Visentin) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 11:57:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Running K12LTSP on existing windows network without modifying windows server Message-ID: I'm very excited about setting up a K12LTSP system on one of our labs (archaic p150 machines running w95 VERY SLOWLY) in our school. Currently we have an extensively wired school with one W2K server as part of a boardwide WAN. I would like to set up a K12LTSP server on the same network backbone but am concerned about conflicting DHCP servers. I do not have access rights or permissions to modify the W2K server. How can I basically attach the K12LTSP server to our network and have the clients boot to it through the existing network infrastructure without interfering with the W2K server? Can I modify the LTSP server to handle DHCP through a different port so that it doesn't conflict with the W2K DHCP server? I'm a LINUX newbie and detailed advice would be much appreciated. Dan Visentin Head of Business/Computers/IT contact M. M. Robinson H.S. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dhuckaby at paasda.org Mon Jan 17 17:06:24 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 09:06:24 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Running K12LTSP on existing windows network without modifying windows server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41EBF090.4000203@paasda.org> If you are only doing it in 1 of the labs...this is what I'd do on the *sneaky sneaky* if possible Build out your K12LTSP server as you'd like it...dhcp is over eth0...which is where the clients will connect... now... take the uplink cable to the switch in the lab... and plug it into eth1 on the server... then plug another cable from eth0 on the server into the switch in the lab... then boot via pxe on the client machines =) then...if you want them to use their windows ickyness...just unplug wires...and replug how there were =) --Huck Dan Visentin wrote: > I'm very excited about setting up a K12LTSP system on one of our labs > (archaic p150 machines running w95 VERY SLOWLY) in our school. > Currently we have an extensively wired school with one W2K server as > part of a boardwide WAN. I would like to set up a K12LTSP server on > the same network backbone but am concerned about conflicting DHCP > servers. I do not have access rights or permissions to modify the W2K > server. > > How can I basically attach the K12LTSP server to our network and have > the clients boot to it through the existing network infrastructure > without interfering with the W2K server? > > Can I modify the LTSP server to handle DHCP through a different port > so that it doesn't conflict with the W2K DHCP server? > > I'm a LINUX newbie and detailed advice would be much appreciated. > > Dan Visentin > Head of Business/Computers/IT contact > M. M. Robinson H.S. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Mon Jan 17 17:39:54 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 11:39:54 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Running K12LTSP on existing windows network without modifying windows server In-Reply-To: <41EBF090.4000203@paasda.org> References: <41EBF090.4000203@paasda.org> Message-ID: <1105983594.13450.80.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2005-01-17 at 11:06, Huck wrote: > Build out your K12LTSP server as you'd like it...dhcp is over > eth0...which is where the clients will connect... > now... take the uplink cable to the switch in the lab... and plug it > into eth1 on the server... > then plug another cable from eth0 on the server into the switch in the > lab... This assumes that you have a separate switch in the lab that you can isolate - and is the best approach if you do, or if you can add such a switch between your eth0 interface and the local clients. If all of your wiring goes back to a central location you may need to use boot floppies with an alternate dhcp port. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Mon Jan 17 18:58:00 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 11:58:00 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Running K12LTSP on existing windows network without modifying windows server In-Reply-To: <1105983594.13450.80.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <41EBF090.4000203@paasda.org> <1105983594.13450.80.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <41EC0AB8.9010505@elp.rr.com> Wouldn't specifying a fixed IP for eth0 avoid conflicts with the WIN2K server? Les Mikesell wrote: >On Mon, 2005-01-17 at 11:06, Huck wrote: > > >>Build out your K12LTSP server as you'd like it...dhcp is over >>eth0...which is where the clients will connect... >>now... take the uplink cable to the switch in the lab... and plug it >>into eth1 on the server... >>then plug another cable from eth0 on the server into the switch in the >>lab... >> >> > >This assumes that you have a separate switch in the lab that you >can isolate - and is the best approach if you do, or if you can >add such a switch between your eth0 interface and the local >clients. If all of your wiring goes back to a central location >you may need to use boot floppies with an alternate dhcp port. > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les at futuresource.com Mon Jan 17 19:28:33 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 13:28:33 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Running K12LTSP on existing windows network without modifying windows server In-Reply-To: <41EC0AB8.9010505@elp.rr.com> References: <41EBF090.4000203@paasda.org> <1105983594.13450.80.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <41EC0AB8.9010505@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <1105990112.13450.101.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2005-01-17 at 12:58, John P. Conlon wrote: > Wouldn't specifying a fixed IP for eth0 avoid conflicts with the WIN2K > server? The network-booted clients need to pick up everything via dhcp assignments, and unless you play tricks with a non-standard port you can only have one DHCP server on the same network. If you can split the networks so eth1 picks up an address from your existing server and eth0 is isolated on a separate switch/network with the clients, everything will work with the default setup. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Jan 17 20:25:27 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 15:25:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Running K12LTSP on existing windows network without=?ISO-8859-1?Q? modifying_?= window In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What I used to do is run two nics in the K12LTSP server.....I made my lab a seperate subnet on the network....an isolated section. Then I created an IP alias to the other nic to allow the machines on that private subnet to be able to connect to the other part of the LAN and thus connect to windows. In fact, my lab machines were able to join the domain this way and access roaming profiles. Worked great and there's no switching cables. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Jan 17 20:25:27 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 15:25:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Running K12LTSP on existing windows network without=?ISO-8859-1?Q? modifying_?= window In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What I used to do is run two nics in the K12LTSP server.....I made my lab a seperate subnet on the network....an isolated section. Then I created an IP alias to the other nic to allow the machines on that private subnet to be able to connect to the other part of the LAN and thus connect to windows. In fact, my lab machines were able to join the domain this way and access roaming profiles. Worked great and there's no switching cables. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From petre at maltzen.net Mon Jan 17 21:16:42 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 15:16:42 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] lightweight file manager? In-Reply-To: <1105739447.25413.219.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <20050114111718.F40C23A40@mprdmxin.myway.com> <41E7DCA2.5070908@maltzen.net> <1105736227.3082.166.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <41E83B31.3070508@maltzen.net> <1105739447.25413.219.camel@ltsp.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <41EC2B3A.2060804@maltzen.net> This is a somewhat long-winded assessment of idesk: I installed idesk and icewm on my Xandros (debian) laptop this past weekend. idesk worked well with icewm, providing desktop icons for launching applications, and both loaded quickly and don't seem to consume much memory. idesk is similar to icewm in that everything is configured with some short text files, which I ended up doing by hand. There's a graphical config tool called idesktool, but I couldn't make it work. Curiosly, idesk is available in debian unstable, but I couldn't find an rpm for it, while, conversely, idesktool is available in rpm or source but not DEB. The icons that idesk provides are just application launchers, similar to icewm's toolbar. They don't provide folders or drag-n-drop features, etc. And you can't right-click on the desktop and create a new icon. But, as part of my pursuit of a quick system on lesser hardware, I did create a Home icon that calls xfe*, a light and quick file manager, and it pops up instantly. xfe doesn't show you thumbnails of images like Nautilus, but it doesn't require anywhere near the resources, either. But it does give the user access to files, allows files to be moved around, supports selecting/copying/moving multiple files at once (unlike Rox, according to Robert A.), and allowing users to double-click on files and have the correct app load the file. So, idesk won't meet Les's requirement of icons including folders. And it doesn't really offer anything that you can't do in IceWM itself--that is, the icons just launch apps as does IceWM's toolbar and menu. But it works well for dressing up IceWM's spartan desktop without incurring the overhead that Nautilus does. If one is building an LTSP server on a shoestring, I think it adds enough glitz to be worthwhile. It makes the desktop more akin to what users expect, for a "cheap" price resource-wise. I think it's pretty cool! I'll try to get it installed on my home K12LTSP 4.2 server (which is broken at the moment--don't ask) and then write some how-to's for the wiki, if anyone is interested. *Somebody was asking about a lightweight file manager last week; I had recommended XWC, but xfe appears to be newer, is still being actively developed (I think dev on XWC has stopped--but how much can one add to a file manager?) and is available in rpm for Fedora releases. They are similar in performance, i.e., fast, and appearance. Petre Eric Harrison wrote: > On Fri, 2005-01-14 at 15:35 -0600, Petre Scheie wrote: > >>I don't think so; or at least I don't run it that way. One of the >>gee-that's-cool-but-not-everyone-liked-it features of Nautilus was its >>ability/insistance on taking over the desktop. I never cared for it mostly >>because it was so slow and made everything else drop to a crawl also. It has >>since gotten much better, but it still requires a fair amount of horsepower. >>There's the idesk project for creating desktop icons in lightweight window >>managers. I haven't tried it yet, but hope to soon. It might make for a good >>alternative to Nautilus-with-Icewm for K12LTSP. > > > Yeah, lightweight "desktop icons" would be a great addition. I note that > both Windows and Macs tend to have fewer and fewer icons on their > respective desktops, but users still expect that feature. > > -Eric > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From lucanavo at libero.it Mon Jan 17 21:56:21 2005 From: lucanavo at libero.it (Luca Navone) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 22:56:21 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Scanner on a client Message-ID: <20050117225621.5f5c2bf3.lucanavo@libero.it> Thanks for the tips about classroom users. I have another problem. Is it possible to use a scanner (epson linux compatible) on a client? The problem is that this scanner has a scsi interface with isa plug. I cannot put it on the server because it hasn't any isa plug! So my only choice is to put it on a client. Is it still possible use it? Thank you. From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Jan 17 22:16:06 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 16:16:06 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux World Message-ID: <005601c4fce2$2383dfb0$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> I was thinking of flying myself and my business partner out to attend the Linux World in Boston, but then I saw the prices, wow. Anyone have any discount vouchers? :-) I was going to pay for both of us to attend for 3 days but can't quite justify spending $4500 with registration fees and flights and hotels. Is there a good conference that anyone could recommend to attend in the upcomming months that is a little less harsh on the checkbook. I just want the opportunity to network with some people who have done larger implementations of K12LTSP and to physically see how others setup their systems. Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From ramonklown at pop.com.br Mon Jan 17 18:18:34 2005 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 16:18:34 -0200 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Scanner on a client In-Reply-To: <20050117225621.5f5c2bf3.lucanavo@libero.it> References: <20050117225621.5f5c2bf3.lucanavo@libero.it> Message-ID: <1174.200.141.84.208.1105985914.squirrel@popmail1.pop.com.br> I would like to know also, I know it?s something in the lts.conf, would like to know what to load and where I can find a manual for loading specific devices like sound on client etc... Thanks, Ramon > Thanks for the tips about classroom users. > I have another problem. Is it possible to use a scanner (epson linux compatible) on > a client? The problem is that this scanner has a scsi interface with isa plug. I > cannot put it on the server because it hasn't any isa plug! > So my only choice is to put it on a client. Is it still possible use it? > > Thank you. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Mon Jan 17 22:35:02 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 14:35:02 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Huck's backuppc howto(long post) Message-ID: <41EC3D96.8050809@paasda.org> This method was used by me to get backuppc working(my first time) I will likely be building out a server specifically for this task in the near future, but with Les's constant plugs for the software I had to try it and it worked! (not without the headaches which hopefully you'll be able to avoid by this guide) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Installation of BackupPC on Debian 30r1 and using *rsync* as the method of backup 1. Boot up off the debian cd...(only need #1 to do a network install) 2. Follow the installation requirements to the point where it asks if you want to run tasksel...(hit yes here) 3. Install the 1^st two options for the Xwindows Environment and Desktop do NOT answer yes to the web server. 4. Finish with install.(don't forget to create a ?normal user?) 5. Now...I had to edit /etc/apt/apt.conf and add this line: /APT::Cache-Limit 10000000;/ 6. then I needed to make my apt source use 'unstable' editing /etc/apt/sources.list on the first line you should have something like this: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stable main non-free contrib change the '/stable/' to '/unstable/' 7. /*apt-get update*/ 8. /*apt-get dist-upgrade*/ 9. now to install the nifty perl modules using CPAN: /*perl -MCPAN -e -shell*/ install Compress::Zlib, Archive::Zip, File::RsyncP 10. now to install apache2 using apt-get /*apt-get install apache2*/ 11. then install backuppc using apt-get /*apt-get install backuppc*/ 12. here I rebooted to get the graphical login(I'm sure someone with more guru-ness has a better way...but this worked for me) 13. login with the 'normal user' you created on installation and launch mozilla and attempt to go to http://localhost/backuppc and see if you get the lovely web-ministration page(you should) 14. now to add a host to the /etc/backuppc/hosts file. Do as the comments in the file tell you(very straight forward) 15. now you'll have to edit /etc/passwd and /etc/passwd- files so that the user 'backuppc' gets a login...at the end of the files a line starting with backuppc:x:...and ending with /bin/false just change the '/false/' to '/bash/'...and save the files... 16. now you can */su - backuppc/* 17. /*ssh-keygen -t dsa */ Your public key has been saved in )...pay attention to this path...you'll need it for the command below. 18. ssh-copy-id -i root at the name of the machine you put in the 'hosts' file 19. now...you have the passwordless ssh ready...you have the hosts file ready...now you need to edit the /etc/backuppc/config.pl file to tell it what you want backed-up and how. http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/faq/BackupPC.html#step_3__setting_up_config_pl the link above is a good resource...under the Linux/Unix section and rsync sub-section you can see the relevant settings you need to change in config.pl... 20. after all that is set...you should be able to login via the http://localhost/backuppc and choose the host you'd like to backup and it aughta work!(unless I forgot something =) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --Huck From dhuckaby at paasda.org Mon Jan 17 22:38:31 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 14:38:31 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux World In-Reply-To: <005601c4fce2$2383dfb0$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <005601c4fce2$2383dfb0$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <41EC3E67.8000402@paasda.org> I don't know if it's a good conference or not...but I'm going since I'll be there anyway for a diff conference. but Florida is having their Educational Technology Convention: http://www.fetc.org/ at the end of this month, it's in Orlando. $160 I think for the 3 days...and my hotel only cost $75/night..holiday inn I think Clarion hotel was around $100 a night I think. For what it's worth... --Huck Jim Kronebusch wrote: >I was thinking of flying myself and my business partner out to attend >the Linux World in Boston, but then I saw the prices, wow. Anyone have >any discount vouchers? :-) I was going to pay for both of us to attend >for 3 days but can't quite justify spending $4500 with registration fees >and flights and hotels. > >Is there a good conference that anyone could recommend to attend in the >upcomming months that is a little less harsh on the checkbook. I just >want the opportunity to network with some people who have done larger >implementations of K12LTSP and to physically see how others setup their >systems. > >Jim Kronebusch >Cotter Tech Department >507-453-5188 >jim at winonacotter.org > > > > From jam at mcquil.com Mon Jan 17 22:33:23 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:33:23 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Linux World In-Reply-To: <005601c4fce2$2383dfb0$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <005601c4fce2$2383dfb0$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: Jim, You can go to Linux World, hang out with the LTSP people, work the LTSP booth, learn a bunch of stuff, and have a great time all without paying for the LWCE Conference pass. The LWCE conference sessions are good, but they're not the only thing happening there. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Mon, 17 Jan 2005, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I was thinking of flying myself and my business partner out to attend > the Linux World in Boston, but then I saw the prices, wow. Anyone have > any discount vouchers? :-) I was going to pay for both of us to attend > for 3 days but can't quite justify spending $4500 with registration fees > and flights and hotels. > > Is there a good conference that anyone could recommend to attend in the > upcomming months that is a little less harsh on the checkbook. I just > want the opportunity to network with some people who have done larger > implementations of K12LTSP and to physically see how others setup their > systems. > > Jim Kronebusch > Cotter Tech Department > 507-453-5188 > jim at winonacotter.org > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From watersjenusa2002 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 17 23:33:26 2005 From: watersjenusa2002 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Waters) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 15:33:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Setup Federa and thinclients Message-ID: <20050117233326.80142.qmail@web52001.mail.yahoo.com> Where would I find directions on how to setup my Ferora server to hadle thin clients. I have done this before, but I lost my notes. Jennifer __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Jan 17 23:30:40 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:30:40 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux World In-Reply-To: References: <005601c4fce2$2383dfb0$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20050117232922.M24151@winonacotter.org> > Jim, > > You can go to Linux World, hang out with the LTSP people, work the LTSP > booth, learn a bunch of stuff, and have a great time all without paying > for the LWCE Conference pass. > > The LWCE conference sessions are good, but they're not the only thing > happening there. > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org Thanks for the tip! I was thinking you couldn't get in unless you paid the big $$. I am checking flight prices right now. Hopefully I'll see you guys there. I think I could learn alot just shooting the breeze for a couple of days. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dhuckaby at paasda.org Mon Jan 17 23:43:31 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 15:43:31 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Setup Federa and thinclients In-Reply-To: <20050117233326.80142.qmail@web52001.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050117233326.80142.qmail@web52001.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <41EC4DA3.10904@paasda.org> http://www.ltsp.org/ --Huck Jennifer Waters wrote: >Where would I find directions on how to setup my >Ferora server to hadle thin clients. I have done this >before, but I lost my notes. > >Jennifer > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. >http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From jam at mcquil.com Mon Jan 17 23:46:38 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 18:46:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Linux World In-Reply-To: <20050117232922.M24151@winonacotter.org> References: <005601c4fce2$2383dfb0$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> <20050117232922.M24151@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: Jim, Send me your address, and I'll mail a couple of exhibit hall passes to you. in fact, if ANYONE wants to get into LinuxWorld, let me know, and I'll send them some free passes. If you don't get the free passes, you'll have to pay $35 at the door. Jim McQuillan jam at ltsp.org On Mon, 17 Jan 2005, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > Jim, > > > > You can go to Linux World, hang out with the LTSP people, work the LTSP > > booth, learn a bunch of stuff, and have a great time all without paying > > for the LWCE Conference pass. > > > > The LWCE conference sessions are good, but they're not the only thing > > happening there. > > > > Jim McQuillan > > jam at Ltsp.org > > Thanks for the tip! I was thinking you couldn't get in unless you paid the > big $$. I am checking flight prices right now. Hopefully I'll see you guys > there. I think I could learn alot just shooting the breeze for a couple of > days. > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From cliebow at downeast.net Tue Jan 18 00:12:37 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 00:12:37 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Linux World Message-ID: <200501172316.j0HNGN411348@downeast.net> Jim Acoupleof my guys plan to come down. If you can get em a couple passes would be a help,especially as one is the boss 8!~) chuck > Jim, > > Send me your address, and I'll mail a couple of exhibit hall passes to > you. > > in fact, if ANYONE wants to get into LinuxWorld, let me know, and I'll > send them some free passes. If you don't get the free passes, you'll > have to pay $35 at the door. > > Jim McQuillan > jam at ltsp.org > > > On Mon, 17 Jan 2005, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > > > Jim, > > > > > > You can go to Linux World, hang out with the LTSP people, work the LTSP > > > booth, learn a bunch of stuff, and have a great time all without paying > > > for the LWCE Conference pass. > > > > > > The LWCE conference sessions are good, but they're not the only thing > > > happening there. > > > > > > Jim McQuillan > > > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > Thanks for the tip! I was thinking you couldn't get in unless you paid the > > big $$. I am checking flight prices right now. Hopefully I'll see you guys > > there. I think I could learn alot just shooting the breeze for a couple of > > days. > > > > -- > > This message has been scanned for viruses and > > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From cliebow at downeast.net Tue Jan 18 00:13:29 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 00:13:29 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Linux World Message-ID: <200501172317.j0HNHG411452@downeast.net> oh ..box 298 southwest habaaa maine 04679 > Jim, > > Send me your address, and I'll mail a couple of exhibit hall passes to > you. > > in fact, if ANYONE wants to get into LinuxWorld, let me know, and I'll > send them some free passes. If you don't get the free passes, you'll > have to pay $35 at the door. > > Jim McQuillan > jam at ltsp.org > > > On Mon, 17 Jan 2005, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > > > Jim, > > > > > > You can go to Linux World, hang out with the LTSP people, work the LTSP > > > booth, learn a bunch of stuff, and have a great time all without paying > > > for the LWCE Conference pass. > > > > > > The LWCE conference sessions are good, but they're not the only thing > > > happening there. > > > > > > Jim McQuillan > > > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > Thanks for the tip! I was thinking you couldn't get in unless you paid the > > big $$. I am checking flight prices right now. Hopefully I'll see you guys > > there. I think I could learn alot just shooting the breeze for a couple of > > days. > > > > -- > > This message has been scanned for viruses and > > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Tue Jan 18 00:39:58 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:39:58 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Running K12LTSP on existing windows network without modifying windows server In-Reply-To: <1105990112.13450.101.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <41EBF090.4000203@paasda.org> <1105983594.13450.80.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <41EC0AB8.9010505@elp.rr.com> <1105990112.13450.101.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <41EC5ADE.6020509@elp.rr.com> Okay, I missunderstood his hook up. Mine is as described below and there are 4 servers on my campus. Our next step is Vlan so that it doesn't matter where in the school we are or what server we need to access. Bye Pat Les Mikesell wrote: >On Mon, 2005-01-17 at 12:58, John P. Conlon wrote: > > >>Wouldn't specifying a fixed IP for eth0 avoid conflicts with the WIN2K >>server? >> >> > >The network-booted clients need to pick up everything via dhcp >assignments, and unless you play tricks with a non-standard >port you can only have one DHCP server on the same network. > >If you can split the networks so eth1 picks up an address from >your existing server and eth0 is isolated on a separate >switch/network with the clients, everything will work >with the default setup. > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jam at mcquil.com Tue Jan 18 00:46:46 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 19:46:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Linux World In-Reply-To: <200501172317.j0HNHG411452@downeast.net> References: <200501172317.j0HNHG411452@downeast.net> Message-ID: Chuck, The passes are in an envelope, and they'll go out in tomorrows mail. Jim. On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > oh ..box 298 southwest habaaa maine 04679 > > > Jim, > > > > Send me your address, and I'll mail a couple of exhibit hall passes to > > you. > > > > in fact, if ANYONE wants to get into LinuxWorld, let me know, and I'll > > send them some free passes. If you don't get the free passes, you'll > > have to pay $35 at the door. > > > > Jim McQuillan > > jam at ltsp.org > > > > > > On Mon, 17 Jan 2005, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > > > > > Jim, > > > > > > > > You can go to Linux World, hang out with the LTSP people, work the LTSP > > > > booth, learn a bunch of stuff, and have a great time all without paying > > > > for the LWCE Conference pass. > > > > > > > > The LWCE conference sessions are good, but they're not the only thing > > > > happening there. > > > > > > > > Jim McQuillan > > > > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > > > Thanks for the tip! I was thinking you couldn't get in unless you paid the > > > big $$. I am checking flight prices right now. Hopefully I'll see you > guys > > > there. I think I could learn alot just shooting the breeze for a couple of > > > days. > > > > > > -- > > > This message has been scanned for viruses and > > > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > > > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From gentgeen at linuxmail.org Tue Jan 18 01:07:10 2005 From: gentgeen at linuxmail.org (Kevin Squire) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 20:07:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] lightweight file manager? In-Reply-To: <41E89F87.3000608@telus.net> References: <200501142009.j0EK9t225728@downeast.net> <41E89F87.3000608@telus.net> Message-ID: <20050117200710.47e1ae9d@linuxbox> As for the OP -- I would HIGHLY suggest ROX filer. Assuming you/your users do not use a "tree" view, I personally thing ROX is the best choice. If you need the tree view, then I would stick with xwc. I have done a TON of searching on the same topic, since my first Linux box was a P100 with 64Mb ram and Redhat 7. ( ROX, Blackbox, Dillo and Sylpheed is how I "cut my teeth" with Linux and have never gone back ) > I'm trying ROX at home BUT... > You can't copy/paste more than 1 file at a time. Try selecting a bunch > of files with the mouse and right click to copy, it's greyed out. I'm a little curious about what your trying to do. When you copy one file in ROX it is not like Windows where you can paste it in somewhere else, you have to edit the name. When you want to copy a bunch of file, you can open a second ROX window (Right click, and choose from the windows option) then drag-n-drop. You may have to experiment once or twice to find the copy. I have mine set to when ever I drag-n-drop it asks if I want to copy/move/link. A Ctrl-Drag will always copy. You can even set ROX to "spring open" a directory when ever you move a file over it (similar to MACs). On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 20:43:51 -0800 Robert Arkiletian wrote: > cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > > >derek and i are using rox and icewm..i am still testing the > >thing...chuck> > > > > > I'm trying ROX at home BUT... > You can't copy/paste more than 1 file at a time. Try selecting a bunch > of files with the mouse and right click to copy, it's greyed out. > > -- > > > Robert Arkiletian > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V219 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Jan 18 01:46:44 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 20:46:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux World In-Reply-To: <20050117232922.M24151@winonacotter.org> References: <005601c4fce2$2383dfb0$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> < > <20050117232922.M24151@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, January 17, 2005 at 6:30 PM +0000 wrote: >Thanks for the tip! I was thinking you couldn't get in unless you paid >the >big $$. I am checking flight prices right now. Hopefully I'll see you >guys >there. I think I could learn alot just shooting the breeze for a couple >of >days. That's all I'm doing :-) Hangin' out. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From cliebow at downeast.net Tue Jan 18 01:45:13 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 01:45:13 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Linux World Message-ID: <200501180048.j0I0mx422660@downeast.net> eggsellent.. > Chuck, > > The passes are in an envelope, and they'll go out in tomorrows mail. > > Jim. > > > > On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > > > oh ..box 298 southwest habaaa maine 04679 > > > > > Jim, > > > > > > Send me your address, and I'll mail a couple of exhibit hall passes to > > > you. > > > > > > in fact, if ANYONE wants to get into LinuxWorld, let me know, and I'll > > > send them some free passes. If you don't get the free passes, you'll > > > have to pay $35 at the door. > > > > > > Jim McQuillan > > > jam at ltsp.org > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 17 Jan 2005, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > > > > > > > Jim, > > > > > > > > > > You can go to Linux World, hang out with the LTSP people, work the LTSP > > > > > booth, learn a bunch of stuff, and have a great time all without paying > > > > > for the LWCE Conference pass. > > > > > > > > > > The LWCE conference sessions are good, but they're not the only thing > > > > > happening there. > > > > > > > > > > Jim McQuillan > > > > > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > > > > > Thanks for the tip! I was thinking you couldn't get in unless you paid the > > > > big $$. I am checking flight prices right now. Hopefully I'll see you > > guys > > > > there. I think I could learn alot just shooting the breeze for a couple of > > > > days. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > This message has been scanned for viruses and > > > > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > > > > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > > http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From cliebow at downeast.net Tue Jan 18 02:00:25 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 02:00:25 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Linux World Message-ID: <200501180104.j0I14B424223@downeast.net> i am Desperate for INPUT....try talking penguinese to a lobsterfisher.. > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Monday, January 17, 2005 at 6:30 PM +0000 wrote: > >Thanks for the tip! I was thinking you couldn't get in unless you paid > >the > >big $$. I am checking flight prices right now. Hopefully I'll see you > >guys > >there. I think I could learn alot just shooting the breeze for a couple > >of > >days. > That's all I'm doing :-) Hangin' out. > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Jan 18 03:16:48 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 21:16:48 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux World In-Reply-To: References: <005601c4fce2$2383dfb0$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> <20050117232922.M24151@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20050118031007.M68992@winonacotter.org> Jim, Send me 2 passes to: Jim Kronebusch 837 West Broadway Winona, MN 55987 Thanks. I am going to try to book the Lenox as well. I just need to find out what the difference is between the Superior and the Double Superior rooms. Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 ---------- Original Message ----------- From: Jim McQuillan To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Sent: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 18:46:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Linux World > Jim, > > Send me your address, and I'll mail a couple of exhibit hall passes > to you. > > in fact, if ANYONE wants to get into LinuxWorld, let me know, and > I'll send them some free passes. If you don't get the free passes, > you'll have to pay $35 at the door. > > Jim McQuillan > jam at ltsp.org > > On Mon, 17 Jan 2005, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > > > Jim, > > > > > > You can go to Linux World, hang out with the LTSP people, work the LTSP > > > booth, learn a bunch of stuff, and have a great time all without paying > > > for the LWCE Conference pass. > > > > > > The LWCE conference sessions are good, but they're not the only thing > > > happening there. > > > > > > Jim McQuillan > > > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > Thanks for the tip! I was thinking you couldn't get in unless you paid the > > big $$. I am checking flight prices right now. Hopefully I'll see you guys > > there. I think I could learn alot just shooting the breeze for a couple of > > days. > > > > -- > > This message has been scanned for viruses and > > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. ------- End of Original Message ------- -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jam at mcquil.com Tue Jan 18 04:18:52 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 23:18:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Linux World In-Reply-To: <20050118031007.M68992@winonacotter.org> References: <005601c4fce2$2383dfb0$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> <20050117232922.M24151@winonacotter.org> <20050118031007.M68992@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: Jim, 2 passes in the envelope, heading your way tomorrow. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Mon, 17 Jan 2005, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Jim, > Send me 2 passes to: > > Jim Kronebusch > 837 West Broadway > Winona, MN 55987 > > Thanks. I am going to try to book the Lenox as well. I just need to find > out what the difference is between the Superior and the Double Superior > rooms. > > Jim Kronebusch > Cotter Tech Department > 507-453-5188 > > ---------- Original Message ----------- > From: Jim McQuillan > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > Sent: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 18:46:38 -0500 (EST) > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Linux World > > > Jim, > > > > Send me your address, and I'll mail a couple of exhibit hall passes > > to you. > > > > in fact, if ANYONE wants to get into LinuxWorld, let me know, and > > I'll send them some free passes. If you don't get the free passes, > > you'll have to pay $35 at the door. > > > > Jim McQuillan > > jam at ltsp.org > > > > On Mon, 17 Jan 2005, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > > > > > Jim, > > > > > > > > You can go to Linux World, hang out with the LTSP people, work the LTSP > > > > booth, learn a bunch of stuff, and have a great time all without paying > > > > for the LWCE Conference pass. > > > > > > > > The LWCE conference sessions are good, but they're not the only thing > > > > happening there. > > > > > > > > Jim McQuillan > > > > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > > > Thanks for the tip! I was thinking you couldn't get in unless you paid > the > > > big $$. I am checking flight prices right now. Hopefully I'll see you > guys > > > there. I think I could learn alot just shooting the breeze for a couple > of > > > days. > > > > > > -- > > > This message has been scanned for viruses and > > > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > > > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > -- > > This message has been scanned for viruses and > > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > > Department, and is believed to be clean. > ------- End of Original Message ------- > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Jan 18 04:19:00 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 22:19:00 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux World In-Reply-To: References: <005601c4fce2$2383dfb0$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> <20050117232922.M24151@winonacotter.org> <20050118031007.M68992@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20050118041628.M86850@winonacotter.org> > Jim, > > 2 passes in the envelope, heading your way tomorrow. > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org Thanks! I can't wait to meet some of you guys in person and pick your brains firsthand :-) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Jan 18 04:34:53 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 23:34:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux World In-Reply-To: <20050118041628.M86850@winonacotter.org> References: <005601c4fce2$2383dfb0$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> < > < > <20050117232922.M24151@winonacotter.org> < > < > <20050118031007.M68992@winonacotter.org> < > <20050118041628.M86850@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, January 17, 2005 at 11:19 PM +0000 wrote: >Thanks! I can't wait to meet some of you guys in person and pick your >brains firsthand :-) slim pickins' but suit yourself *grin* ;-) Looking forward to meeting you too. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Jan 18 04:36:21 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 23:36:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux World In-Reply-To: References: <005601c4fce2$2383dfb0$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> < > <, > < > <, > <20050117232922.M24151@winonacotter.org> < > <, > < > <, > <20050118031007.M68992@winonacotter.org> < > <, > <, > <20050118041628.M86850@winonacotter.org> <,> Message-ID: Ihave four passes which means I have one to spare (I think) if anyone needs it. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Jan 18 04:30:11 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 22:30:11 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux World In-Reply-To: References: <005601c4fce2$2383dfb0$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> <20050117232922.M24151@winonacotter.org> <20050118031007.M68992@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20050118042537.M1822@winonacotter.org> > Jim, > > 2 passes in the envelope, heading your way tomorrow. > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org When is everyone heading out? I was thinking of flying out Monday evening the 14th and flying back on Thursday afternoon the 17th, would I be missing anything with that schedule? I see on ltsp.org there is a dinner, what day will that be on, or is that by invite only? -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jam at mcquil.com Tue Jan 18 04:39:56 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 23:39:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Linux World In-Reply-To: <20050118042537.M1822@winonacotter.org> References: <005601c4fce2$2383dfb0$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> <20050117232922.M24151@winonacotter.org> <20050118031007.M68992@winonacotter.org> <20050118042537.M1822@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: Jim, You should be fine with that schedule. I don't have details on the ltsp dinner yet, but it will be either tuesday or wednesday. I'm leaning towards wednesday, but we're working with Marty Connor (etherboot, rom-o-matic) on the dinner plans. Anybody willing to spend at least a little bit of time helping out at the LTSP booth is invited. Jim. On Mon, 17 Jan 2005, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > Jim, > > > > 2 passes in the envelope, heading your way tomorrow. > > > > Jim McQuillan > > jam at Ltsp.org > > When is everyone heading out? I was thinking of flying out Monday evening > the 14th and flying back on Thursday afternoon the 17th, would I be missing > anything with that schedule? I see on ltsp.org there is a dinner, what day > will that be on, or is that by invite only? > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Jan 18 05:02:24 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 23:02:24 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Huck's backuppc howto(long post) In-Reply-To: <41EC3D96.8050809@paasda.org> References: <41EC3D96.8050809@paasda.org> Message-ID: <20050118050027.M31373@winonacotter.org> > 20. > > after all that is set...you should be able to login via the > http://localhost/backuppc and choose the host you'd like to backup > and it aughta work!(unless I forgot something =) Thanks for the simple tutorial. I looked at setting this up in the past as well but was overwhelmed by the documentation. I will be trying this to back up my new Virtual Domain server (to be built this week). If that flies I will add more. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Tue Jan 18 08:22:28 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 00:22:28 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Pre-Configured Servers and Workstations Available Message-ID: This is something of a shameless plug, but also an attempt to get feedback from this list. I've set up a website for the selling of pre-configured K12LTSP servers (www.TechnologyRescue.com), and am interested in how that is received by this list. I have sold refurbished computer equipment for 16 years, and have been focused on serving the school market for the last 5 or six years The goal of TechnologyRescue is to provide an opportunity for schools or businesses to implement linux thin client without having to start from scratch, and to be able to actually call someone on the phone for advice or help at a basic level. I have also wanted to support Jim McQuillan and DisklessWorkstations.com, so we are including support time from that organization in the price of the servers. This has been part of a larger question we have had about appropriate commercial models for open source software. And, of course, I have substantial motivation to find a way to continue to re-use computer equipment. It takes more natural resources to manufacture a pc than it does to manufacture a car, and very little of that material can be recovered in "recycling." Re-use is a significantly better solution. I hope you will help me to know what you think of this venture. Thanks, Steve -- Steve Hargadon 916-652-8600 ext. 711 From nbs at sonic.net Tue Jan 18 08:28:39 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 00:28:39 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux World In-Reply-To: <20050117232922.M24151@winonacotter.org> References: <005601c4fce2$2383dfb0$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> <20050117232922.M24151@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20050118082839.GB29196@sonic.net> On Mon, Jan 17, 2005 at 05:30:40PM -0600, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Thanks for the tip! I was thinking you couldn't get in unless you paid the > big $$. I am checking flight prices right now. Hopefully I'll see you guys > there. I think I could learn alot just shooting the breeze for a couple of > days. I've always gone to LWE in San Francisco (or San Jose) for free. They give out tons of free passes to LUGs and the like. I've helped staff booths (OSEF's, for example) in the past. The last two years, my LUG has had our own booth, or shared with other LUGs. That didn't cost anything, I don't think. (If so, it was so negligible to not be of significance to /my/ brain's storage system.) -bill! From aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org Tue Jan 18 15:05:55 2005 From: aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org (aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:05:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: best distro for laptop In-Reply-To: <41E8665B.9080007@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <2236160500.1106042755@[10.2.57.132]> >>Everything is just plain standard--no surprises or "weirdness" with >>configuration. Therefore, my main desktop at home runs Slack 10.0. Thanks TP. I installed SuSE 9.1 this weekend and downloaded a fresh ISO of Arch Linux (http://archlinux.org/). Slackware got me into this crowd in the first place...a SAM's book titled "Slackware 3.0 Unleashed" purchased from Software Etc... and the sales guy told me "Linux was not going anywhere, you don't hear to much about it any more" :) :) :) LOL. Yet another ISO on the way - - Good times and thanks, Tom Ventresco From stevn.bartley at ints.com Tue Jan 18 15:05:29 2005 From: stevn.bartley at ints.com (Stevn Bartley) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 07:05:29 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] !!!!!!!PLEASE READ!!!!!!!!!!!! Important information regarding use of the Nazgul Server Message-ID: <41ED25B9.90502@ints.com> It is important that all employee's who are using the Nazgul server read this mail. This mail is a reminder once again that no software installation or updates are to be applied or run on the Nazgul server without the approval of I.S. Security on the server is set as tight as we can make it without hindering your ability to use the system. Unfortunately, even with this configuration, it is possible for users to attempt upgrades of simple applications like Trillian. This, however causes unforseen issues and problems with these program updates fail or cause the applications being used by all of Support to stop working. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, DO NOT RUN UPDATES, INSTALLS OR ANY OTHER FORM OF SOFTWARE ADDITION/REMOVAL ON SYSTEMS AT ISI WITHOUT PERMISSION. Thanks, Stevn Bartley System Administrator From stevn.bartley at ints.com Tue Jan 18 15:14:59 2005 From: stevn.bartley at ints.com (Stevn Bartley) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 07:14:59 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: !!!!!!!PLEASE READ!!!!!!!!!!!! Important information regarding use of the Nazgul Server In-Reply-To: <41ED25B9.90502@ints.com> References: <41ED25B9.90502@ints.com> Message-ID: <41ED27F3.3000509@ints.com> k12osn - please disregard. It appears that autocomplete in thunderbird was being a little too helpful this morning when I was sending this.:) Sorry for the unintended mail. Stevn Stevn Bartley wrote: > It is important that all employee's who are using the Nazgul server read > this mail. > > > This mail is a reminder once again that no software installation or > updates are to be applied or run on the Nazgul server without the > approval of I.S. > > Security on the server is set as tight as we can make it without > hindering your ability to use the system. Unfortunately, even with this > configuration, it is possible for users to attempt upgrades of simple > applications like Trillian. This, however causes unforseen issues and > problems with these program updates fail or cause the applications being > used by all of Support to stop working. > > PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, DO NOT RUN UPDATES, INSTALLS OR ANY OTHER FORM > OF SOFTWARE ADDITION/REMOVAL ON SYSTEMS AT ISI WITHOUT PERMISSION. > > Thanks, > > Stevn Bartley > System Administrator > From collinsr at kentoncityschools.org Tue Jan 18 15:06:09 2005 From: collinsr at kentoncityschools.org (Ryan Collins) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:06:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] lightweight file manager? In-Reply-To: <20050114111718.F40C23A40@mprdmxin.myway.com> References: <20050114111718.F40C23A40@mprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 14 Jan 2005, Rob Owens wrote: > Can anybody recommend a lightweight file manager? I'm using IceWM and > loading either Konqueror (which I like) or Nautilus takes a long time--a > couple of seconds on my non-LTSP'd 2.0 Celeron. I downloaded > X-WinCommander http://xwc.sourceforge.net/ and it loads like lightening, > but I really like the Konqueror look much more. Plus I haven't tested > it out for functionality yet. I just use nautilus set up like this: 1. In /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/IceWm I have the following line: /usr/bin/nautilus -n --no-desktop & Starts up nautilus when the user logs in, doesn't seem to slow things down much. 2. In the menu I have: prog "My Documents" file /usr/bin/nautilus --no-desktop --browser Documents (All on one line) The users can then just go to My Documents in the menu and get their Documents folder (we're mostly OS X, so all their documents are in a folder called Documents). It works fast enough for us. (Cool thing if nautilus manages the desktop with OS X. They both use the folder Desktop, so if I allow nautilus to manage the desktop, any icons they place on it under OS X show up under ltsp and vice versa. We don't run it this way because it seems to be slower.) -- Ryan Collins - Technology Coordinator Kenton City Schools http://www.kenton.k12.oh.us/helpdesk/ From dahopkins at comcast.net Tue Jan 18 15:42:28 2005 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 15:42:28 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: setting gnome file manager defaults Message-ID: <011820051542.17429.41ED2E63000EDB1D0000441522007589429C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Dan, Thanks. I had seen the 'spatial nautilus' issue/flames. I am on the other side on this one ;) , but it really shouldn't matter. It whatever you happen to be used to. A bigger issue for me is the (for me) byzantine way that the directories/menu entries/etc are set up and managed. Probably because of my Windows background, the Explorer way seems very clear about who sees what in this respect. Your link to the sys-admin-guide is very useful and I will use Chapter 2 to try and figure it out. Gnome could have made it easier to find instructions for a user without putting the information in a developer's guide. Then again, the developers are so busy with this massive package that I am grateful they put it anywhere. It is probably very straightforward once you have done it a dozen times. Again, thanks! Dave Hopkins -------------- Original message -------------- > On Sat, 2005-01-15 at 17:57 -0500, Dave Hopkins wrote: > > Okay, this is OT, but ... after upgrading to 4.1, double clicking the > > home folder opens Nautilus in some reduced view (just icons, no address > > bar, ...). Right clicking and picking Browse gets the view I was > > expecting. This is a change from how RH9 was launching the File > > browser. How do I get the old behavior back? Better yet, is there a > > way to define (per user or system-wide) what file browser is launched > > when the home folder is double clicked? > > There was a spat a while back about all that when gnome 2.6 or 2.8 came > out which introduced "spatial nautilus". Google that and find the flame > wars. My understanding was that GNOME usability studies found that "each > folder is a window" was a clearer metaphor than the browser. I happen to > like it. YMMV. To change behavior, per user: > > 1. Preferences > 2. File Management > 3. Behavior tab > 4. Check the "Always open in browser windows" > > I'm not sure about doing it system-wide, though I'm sure there's a gconf > key to tweak. Just looked; take a look at the "always_use_browser" key > in: > > /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults/apps/nautilus/preferences/%gconf.xml > > This is the part where I complain about the difficulty in mere mortals > altering GNOME default settings or defining mandatory settings. The > GNOME administrator's guide has some useful information: > > http://www.gnome.org/learn/admin-guide/2.6/system-admin-guide.html > > -- > Dan Young > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bear2bar at netscape.net Tue Jan 18 15:10:31 2005 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:10:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp & SGI O2 Message-ID: <41ED26E7.1080408@netscape.net> Hi, Amongst the more enterprising members has anyone set up an SGI O2 box as either a k12ltsp server or client and if so HOW ! We were donated about 40 SGI O2 R5000 and would love to be able to make good use of these RISC boxes other that "cute" bookends. thks norbert From visentind at hdsb.ca Tue Jan 18 16:28:38 2005 From: visentind at hdsb.ca (Dan Visentin) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:28:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Running K12LTSP on existing windows network without modifying windows server Message-ID: Well, some interesting suggestions but I was hoping to somehow allow students to access shared drives on the w2k server as well... Perhaps specifying port 1067 for the K12ltsp DHCP server might work. Any quick tips on changing this? I couldn't find an "option port" option listing anywhere. I did find the -p parameter, but I believe this is command line only (?). So how do I modify DHCPd.conf for the -p parameter, or do I do something else? I imagine I will have to modify the firewall as well... any quick suggestions for doing this? Your assistance is greatfully appreciated! PS - I'll ask about configuring the DLINK DGE-530T gigabyte card at a later date... seems I have to recompile the kernel... yeesh! Dan Visentin Head of Business/Computers/IT contact M. M. Robinson H.S. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Jan 18 16:38:41 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 08:38:41 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: !!!!!!!PLEASE READ!!!!!!!!!!!! Important information regarding use of the Nazgul Server In-Reply-To: <41ED27F3.3000509@ints.com> References: <41ED25B9.90502@ints.com> <41ED27F3.3000509@ints.com> Message-ID: <41ED3B91.4030303@paasda.org> I'd be afraid to do anything to a "Nazgul" server...just from the name alone! =) weren't they those undead things in LOTR? And if it's any consolation...the e-mail did look important enough to read to me! --Huck Stevn Bartley wrote: > k12osn - please disregard. > > It appears that autocomplete in thunderbird was being a little too > helpful this morning when I was sending this.:) > > Sorry for the unintended mail. > > Stevn > > Stevn Bartley wrote: > >> It is important that all employee's who are using the Nazgul server >> read this mail. >> >> >> This mail is a reminder once again that no software installation or >> updates are to be applied or run on the Nazgul server without the >> approval of I.S. >> >> Security on the server is set as tight as we can make it without >> hindering your ability to use the system. Unfortunately, even with >> this configuration, it is possible for users to attempt upgrades of >> simple applications like Trillian. This, however causes unforseen >> issues and problems with these program updates fail or cause the >> applications being used by all of Support to stop working. >> >> PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, DO NOT RUN UPDATES, INSTALLS OR ANY OTHER >> FORM OF SOFTWARE ADDITION/REMOVAL ON SYSTEMS AT ISI WITHOUT PERMISSION. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Stevn Bartley >> System Administrator >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Tue Jan 18 16:33:12 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 08:33:12 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Running K12LTSP on existing windows network without modifying windows server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > > PS - I'll ask about configuring the DLINK DGE-530T gigabyte card at a later > date... seems I have to recompile the kernel... yeesh! Scott Belford recommended this gb nic for us--both inexpensive and supported. http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=33-156-139&depa=1 Steve From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Jan 18 16:43:18 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 08:43:18 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Running K12LTSP on existing windows network without modifying windows server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41ED3CA6.90501@paasda.org> I believe in /etc/rc.d/init.d/dhcpd there is a line 'DHCPDARGS="eth0" ... and this is where you would put your -p 1067 ?? not sure on formating...a little trial and error perhaps to figure it out? --Huck Dan Visentin wrote: > Well, some interesting suggestions but I was hoping to somehow allow > students to access shared drives on the w2k server as well... > > Perhaps specifying port 1067 for the K12ltsp DHCP server might work. > Any quick tips on changing this? I couldn't find an "option port" > option listing anywhere. I did find the -p parameter, > but I believe this is command line only (?). So how do I modify > DHCPd.conf for the -p parameter, or do I do something else? I > imagine I will have to modify the firewall as well... any quick > suggestions for doing this? > > Your assistance is greatfully appreciated! > > PS - I'll ask about configuring the DLINK DGE-530T gigabyte card at a > later date... seems I have to recompile the kernel... yeesh! > > Dan Visentin > Head of Business/Computers/IT contact > M. M. Robinson H.S. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > From jam at mcquil.com Tue Jan 18 16:37:59 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:37:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Running K12LTSP on existing windows network without modifying windows server In-Reply-To: <41ED3CA6.90501@paasda.org> References: <41ED3CA6.90501@paasda.org> Message-ID: I think it's the /etc/sysconfig/dhcpd file that needs to be edited. Jim. On Tue, 18 Jan 2005, Huck wrote: > I believe in /etc/rc.d/init.d/dhcpd there is a line 'DHCPDARGS="eth0" ... > and this is where you would put your -p 1067 ?? > not sure on formating...a little trial and error perhaps to figure it out? > > --Huck > > Dan Visentin wrote: > > > Well, some interesting suggestions but I was hoping to somehow allow > > students to access shared drives on the w2k server as well... > > > > Perhaps specifying port 1067 for the K12ltsp DHCP server might work. Any > > quick tips on changing this? I couldn't find an "option port" option > > listing anywhere. I did find the -p parameter, but I believe > > this is command line only (?). So how do I modify DHCPd.conf for the -p > > parameter, or do I do something else? I imagine I will have to modify the > > firewall as well... any quick suggestions for doing this? > > > > Your assistance is greatfully appreciated! > > > > PS - I'll ask about configuring the DLINK DGE-530T gigabyte card at a later > > date... seems I have to recompile the kernel... yeesh! > > > > Dan Visentin > > Head of Business/Computers/IT contact > > M. M. Robinson H.S. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dalen at czexan.net Tue Jan 18 16:40:07 2005 From: dalen at czexan.net (Dale Sykora) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:40:07 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] thunderbird font issue Message-ID: <41ED3BE7.2070501@czexan.net> Hello, Thunderbird on k12ltsp 4.2.0 uses a font that makes it difficult to distinguish between read/unread (regular/bold) messages. I would like to use fonts similar to Thunderbird on WinXP. I added msfonts from the extras script and changed Thunderbird font settings to match those in winXP, but the appearance remains the same. Does anyone know what I am missing? Thanks, Dale From roger.in.eugene at gmail.com Tue Jan 18 16:43:34 2005 From: roger.in.eugene at gmail.com (Roger Morris) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 08:43:34 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: !!!!!!!PLEASE READ!!!!!!!!!!!! Important information regarding use of the Nazgul Server In-Reply-To: <41ED3B91.4030303@paasda.org> References: <41ED25B9.90502@ints.com> <41ED27F3.3000509@ints.com> <41ED3B91.4030303@paasda.org> Message-ID: <69b790a80501180843567ebff7@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 08:38:41 -0800, Huck wrote: > I'd be afraid to do anything to a "Nazgul" server...just from the name > alone! =) > weren't they those undead things in LOTR? > And if it's any consolation...the e-mail did look important enough to > read to me! Yes, that was one name. They were the 9 men that were given the 'nine rings'. They probably have a Gandalf server to keep them in line. I wonder what 'service' the Nazgul server does? Perhaps a spam filter box? Roger From ramonklown at pop.com.br Tue Jan 18 16:53:42 2005 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 14:53:42 -0200 (BRST) Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp & SGI O2 In-Reply-To: <41ED26E7.1080408@netscape.net> References: <41ED26E7.1080408@netscape.net> Message-ID: <60610.201.8.4.7.1106067222.squirrel@popmail7.pop.com.br> That's hot. just install it folowing the next buttons haha, on partition choose at least 700 mb for swap partition and make a separate partition for "/home". Not sure what motherboard you got but probaly it's a pxe complaint, so you just go to BIOS and set "Boot from Lan" or "Onboard Lan Boot Rom" set to enabled. the only configuration needed on the software is set ip 192.168.0.254 and submask: 255.255.255.0 very easy any body can install a PXE with this software. Peace, Ramon OBS: That's what I call a donation. > Hi, > > Amongst the more enterprising members has anyone set up an SGI O2 box as > either a k12ltsp server or client and if so HOW ! > We were donated about 40 SGI O2 R5000 and would love to be able to make > good use of these RISC boxes other that "cute" bookends. > > thks > > norbert > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org Tue Jan 18 17:09:44 2005 From: aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org (aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 12:09:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp & SGI O2 In-Reply-To: <60610.201.8.4.7.1106067222.squirrel@popmail7.pop.com.br> Message-ID: <2243589052.1106050184@[10.2.57.132]> >>We were donated about 40 SGI O2 R5000 and would love to be able to make good use of these RISC boxes other that "cute" bookends. >> Wow those are neat looking. They are RISC R5000 cpu's like 210Mhz (RISC) yes ? I think you are in for a battle. You can weave your own LTSP for these I think with another OS. Find a linux distro for that hardward and see if it works. These are not x86 workstations so an "out-of the box" K12LTSP install won't work for you. Try to find a linux distro for that hardware. They did not come with IRIX ? Might have to go FreeBSD, I don't recall seeing a linux distro for the R5000 cpu. I would love to be wrong for your sake. :) ;) They are cool are they blue or black ? Hope this helps, Tom Ventresco From bear2bar at netscape.net Tue Jan 18 17:18:40 2005 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 12:18:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp & SGI O2 In-Reply-To: <60610.201.8.4.7.1106067222.squirrel@popmail7.pop.com.br> References: <41ED26E7.1080408@netscape.net> <60610.201.8.4.7.1106067222.squirrel@popmail7.pop.com.br> Message-ID: <41ED44F0.9050808@netscape.net> ramonklown at pop.com.br wrote: >That's hot. >just install it folowing the next buttons haha, on partition choose at least 700 mb >for swap partition and make a separate partition for "/home". > >Not sure what motherboard you got but probaly it's a pxe complaint, so you just go >to BIOS and set "Boot from Lan" or "Onboard Lan Boot Rom" set to enabled. > >the only configuration needed on the software is set ip 192.168.0.254 and submask: >255.255.255.0 > >very easy any body can install a PXE with this software. > >Peace, >Ramon > >OBS: That's what I call a donation. > > > >>Hi, >> >>Amongst the more enterprising members has anyone set up an SGI O2 box as >>either a k12ltsp server or client and if so HOW ! >>We were donated about 40 SGI O2 R5000 and would love to be able to make >>good use of these RISC boxes other that "cute" bookends. >> >>thks >> >>norbert >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see Hi, No the "next" button doesn't work !!!! I've tried knoppix, Suse Live & even Linspire live & none would boot (Not surprised this isn't an Intel machine) Hence why I'm asking if anyone has a Risc compatible kernel or better a "how to" to configure these. Yes they use IRIX as an OS but I'm hoping that there's a linux distro that can run on these thks norbert -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mej at mindspring.com Tue Jan 18 17:20:26 2005 From: mej at mindspring.com (Michael E. Jaggers" >On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 08:38:41 -0800, Huck wrote: >> I'd be afraid to do anything to a "Nazgul" server...just from the name >> alone! =) >> weren't they those undead things in LOTR? >> And if it's any consolation...the e-mail did look important enough to >> read to me! >Yes, that was one name. They were the 9 men that were given the 'nine >rings'. They probably have a Gandalf server to keep them in line. I >wonder what 'service' the Nazgul server does? Perhaps a spam filter >box? > >Roger Is that network a "Tolkien Ring"? From bear2bar at netscape.net Tue Jan 18 17:22:58 2005 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 12:22:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp & SGI O2 In-Reply-To: <2243589052.1106050184@[10.2.57.132]> References: <2243589052.1106050184@[10.2.57.132]> Message-ID: <41ED45F2.90409@netscape.net> aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org wrote: >>> We were donated about 40 SGI O2 R5000 and would love to be able to make >> > good use of these RISC boxes other that "cute" bookends. >> > > Wow those are neat looking. They are RISC R5000 cpu's like 210Mhz > (RISC) yes ? I think you are in for a battle. You can weave your own > LTSP for these I think with another OS. Find a linux distro for that > hardward and see if it works. These are not x86 workstations so an > "out-of the box" K12LTSP install won't work for you. Try to find a > linux distro for that hardware. They did not come with IRIX ? Might > have to go FreeBSD, I don't recall seeing a linux distro for the R5000 > cpu. I would love to be wrong for your sake. :) ;) They are cool are > they blue or black ? > Hope this helps, > Tom Ventresco > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see Hi, Yes they are blue & black .... these are 180 Mhz R5000 boxes with about 1GB memory & no hard drive (the drives were removed for security reasons) therefore no IRIX. I would like to get a detailed "Howto" to initially configure these, as I believe that I'll have to setup an SGI partiiton on the SCSI drive before I can load any Linux distro...... so any help will be appreciated thks norbert From david at okgoodwill.org Tue Jan 18 18:08:43 2005 From: david at okgoodwill.org (David H. Barr) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 12:08:43 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp & SGI O2 Message-ID: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E282119E99@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> I know Gentoo was working on something, but I don't know the status: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/mips/index.xml I'm pretty sure Debian still supports that: http://www.debian.org/ports/mips/ There was a RedHat spinoff (with install CD's!) in 2002: ftp://ftp.mips.com/pub/linux/mips/installation/redhat7.3/01.00/ Here's a good resource to find out more: http://www.linux-mips.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page I know I didn't answer any specific questions for you, but hopefully those will point you in a good direction. -dhbarr. From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Jan 18 18:16:20 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:16:20 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp & SGI O2 In-Reply-To: <41ED26E7.1080408@netscape.net> References: <41ED26E7.1080408@netscape.net> Message-ID: <41ED5274.9000803@paasda.org> This dude might be able to help you... http://hardware.majix.org/computers/sgi/ --Huck norbert wrote: > Hi, > > Amongst the more enterprising members has anyone set up an SGI O2 box > as either a k12ltsp server or client and if so HOW ! > We were donated about 40 SGI O2 R5000 and would love to be able to > make good use of these RISC boxes other that "cute" bookends. > > thks > > norbert > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From Trae.Elmore at marshall.tstc.edu Tue Jan 18 18:34:54 2005 From: Trae.Elmore at marshall.tstc.edu (Trae Elmore) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 12:34:54 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] DVD iso Message-ID: Does anyone have a torrent or a link for a DVD iso of k12ltsp? I know it is possible to roll my own, but I hate to redo work that others may have already done. Eric , thanks for the great job on the distro and the contributions on the list. Trae Elmore CNE, MCP Program Chair of Computer Systems Networking trae.elmore at marshall.tstc.edu 903) 935-1010 ext. 3361 From tuxnician at execulink.com Tue Jan 18 19:10:48 2005 From: tuxnician at execulink.com (tuxnician at execulink.com) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 14:10:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Linux in Education Info Message-ID: <1268.209.167.107.197.1106075448.squirrel@209.167.107.197> Hi everyone. I may be making a little progress with a Trustee about Linux but I would like to provide him with more information. I realize that I may be repeating what has been posted before (my apologies) but I am looking for any info, presentations, experiences that can help him 'see the light'. I know that a couple people have discussed with their 'higher-ups' the value and benefits of using Linux and the LTSP in their schools and I would like to hear how they did it. I appreciate any info and help I can get so I can help get this project into our schools. Since a decision maker said no more Linux (even though the one Mac Lab is running OS10) the K12LTSP is being introduced to some schools as a pilot for the benefits of Open Source software (and some are only available on Linux!). One class in an elementary school running the K12LTSP and the teacher is very happy with it. Thanks everyone. ---------------------------- Powered by Execulink Webmail http://www.execulink.com/ From mguerra at cariari.ucr.ac.cr Tue Jan 18 19:14:06 2005 From: mguerra at cariari.ucr.ac.cr (Mario Guerra) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 13:14:06 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: !!!!!!!PLEASE READ!!!!!!!!!!!! Important information regarding use of the Nazgul Server In-Reply-To: <41ED3B91.4030303@paasda.org> References: <41ED25B9.90502@ints.com> <41ED27F3.3000509@ints.com> <41ED3B91.4030303@paasda.org> Message-ID: <200501181314.06877.mguerra@cariari.ucr.ac.cr> El Martes, 18 de Enero de 2005 10:38 AM, Huck escribi?: > I'd be afraid to do anything to a "Nazgul" server...just from the name > alone! =) > weren't they those undead things in LOTR? > And if it's any consolation...the e-mail did look important enough to > read to me! > Suggestion. CHange the server's name from "nazgul" to "sauron"......:-) Mario Guerra From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Jan 18 19:16:10 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 13:16:10 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux World In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002c01c4fd92$2b2da240$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> > Jim, > > You should be fine with that schedule. > > I don't have details on the ltsp dinner yet, but it will be > either tuesday or wednesday. I'm leaning towards wednesday, > but we're working with Marty Connor (etherboot, rom-o-matic) > on the dinner plans. > > Anybody willing to spend at least a little bit of time > helping out at the LTSP booth is invited. > > Jim. I was considering this morning to fly out on Sunday night so that I could help with setup of the k12ltsp booth on Monday if needed. Could you guys use this sort of help or do you have it under control? I imagine that there will be a lot of machines and network equipment to setup, I'd love to help out if possible. Also my business partner is unable to come with unless his wife and daughter go, could I get two more passes for them or is that asking a little much? -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jam at mcquil.com Tue Jan 18 19:19:35 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 14:19:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Linux World In-Reply-To: <002c01c4fd92$2b2da240$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <002c01c4fd92$2b2da240$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: Jim, We've probably got enough help for setup on monday, but if you want to come out, i'm sure we'll find something for you to do. We've done this so many times, that we generally get setup in less than 2 hours. My suggestion is to get there on sunday night, and use Monday to roam around the city. Lots to see in Boston. And, 2 more passes is easy. I'll slide them in the envelope with the others. your timing is great, I was just getting ready to take them out to the mailbox. Jim. On Tue, 18 Jan 2005, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > Jim, > > > > You should be fine with that schedule. > > > > I don't have details on the ltsp dinner yet, but it will be > > either tuesday or wednesday. I'm leaning towards wednesday, > > but we're working with Marty Connor (etherboot, rom-o-matic) > > on the dinner plans. > > > > Anybody willing to spend at least a little bit of time > > helping out at the LTSP booth is invited. > > > > Jim. > > I was considering this morning to fly out on Sunday night so that I > could help with setup of the k12ltsp booth on Monday if needed. Could > you guys use this sort of help or do you have it under control? I > imagine that there will be a lot of machines and network equipment to > setup, I'd love to help out if possible. > > Also my business partner is unable to come with unless his wife and > daughter go, could I get two more passes for them or is that asking a > little much? > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Jan 18 19:28:22 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 13:28:22 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux World In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002d01c4fd93$df79ae50$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> > Jim, > > We've probably got enough help for setup on monday, but if > you want to come out, i'm sure we'll find something for you to do. > > We've done this so many times, that we generally get setup in > less than 2 hours. > > My suggestion is to get there on sunday night, and use Monday > to roam around the city. Lots to see in Boston. > > And, 2 more passes is easy. I'll slide them in the envelope > with the others. your timing is great, I was just getting > ready to take them out to the mailbox. > > Jim. Thanks for the passes. I think we'll come out Sunday night. I think I could learn a lot just watching you guys set things up but I would hate to get in the way. Hopefully we can connect when I get down there and see if you need help then. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Tue Jan 18 21:01:03 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 13:01:03 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Library application programming help Message-ID: I've got a library system interested in installing LTSP, and they are going to buy one of our pre-configured K12LTSP servers as a test. Is there anyone on the list who would be interested in working on a project for them (paid basis) to develop print management and computer reservations management that will integrate with LTSP? They want the librarians to be able to not have to interact much with the users. I think this kind of a project might have application for small libraries with more limited budgets. Steve -- Steve Hargadon 916-652-8600 ext. 711 From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Tue Jan 18 21:32:23 2005 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 14:32:23 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Upgrade from 3.2 to 4.2? Worth trying? Message-ID: Hi Everyone, I wound up procrastinating over the holidays and haven't moved our school system to 4.2 yet... Well maybe procrastinate is the wrong word... yearbook has kept me busy. Our system is 3.x and how bad would it be to just stuff in the cds and pick Upgrade? How much trash would be left on the system that would be just obsolete? I have never chosen Upgrade before. I've got the labs booked off for Friday and Monday so that should be plenty of time. Thanks, Jim From bear2bar at netscape.net Tue Jan 18 22:15:42 2005 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 17:15:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp & SGI O2 In-Reply-To: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E282119E99@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> References: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E282119E99@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> Message-ID: <41ED8A8E.6010808@netscape.net> david at okgoodwill.org wrote: >I know Gentoo was working on something, but I don't know the status: >http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/mips/index.xml > >I'm pretty sure Debian still supports that: >http://www.debian.org/ports/mips/ > >There was a RedHat spinoff (with install CD's!) in 2002: >ftp://ftp.mips.com/pub/linux/mips/installation/redhat7.3/01.00/ > >Here's a good resource to find out more: >http://www.linux-mips.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page > >I know I didn't answer any specific questions for you, but >hopefully those will point you in a good direction. > >-dhbarr. > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see Hi, Thanks for the links, guess that I'll won't be getting much sleep.... norbert From bear2bar at netscape.net Tue Jan 18 22:16:20 2005 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 17:16:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp & SGI O2 In-Reply-To: <41ED5274.9000803@paasda.org> References: <41ED26E7.1080408@netscape.net> <41ED5274.9000803@paasda.org> Message-ID: <41ED8AB4.8080006@netscape.net> dhuckaby at paasda.org wrote: > This dude might be able to help you... > > http://hardware.majix.org/computers/sgi/ > > --Huck > > > norbert wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Amongst the more enterprising members has anyone set up an SGI O2 box >> as either a k12ltsp server or client and if so HOW ! >> We were donated about 40 SGI O2 R5000 and would love to be able to >> make good use of these RISC boxes other that "cute" bookends. >> >> thks >> >> norbert >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see Thanks Huck, the site is very interesting norbert From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Tue Jan 18 23:51:15 2005 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 18:51:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: !!!!!!!PLEASE READ!!!!!!!!!!!! Important information regarding use of the Nazgul Server In-Reply-To: <41ED27F3.3000509@ints.com> References: <41ED25B9.90502@ints.com> <41ED27F3.3000509@ints.com> Message-ID: <41EDA0F3.1090405@snet.net> Stevn Bartley wrote: > k12osn - please disregard. > > It appears that autocomplete in thunderbird was being a little too > helpful this morning when I was sending this.:) > > Sorry for the unintended mail. Does this mean I can go ahead and update your server now? (jk) tony > > Stevn > > Stevn Bartley wrote: > >> It is important that all employee's who are using the Nazgul server >> read this mail. >> >> >> This mail is a reminder once again that no software installation or >> updates are to be applied or run on the Nazgul server without the >> approval of I.S. >> >> Security on the server is set as tight as we can make it without >> hindering your ability to use the system. Unfortunately, even with >> this configuration, it is possible for users to attempt upgrades of >> simple applications like Trillian. This, however causes unforseen >> issues and problems with these program updates fail or cause the >> applications being used by all of Support to stop working. >> >> PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, DO NOT RUN UPDATES, INSTALLS OR ANY OTHER FORM >> OF SOFTWARE ADDITION/REMOVAL ON SYSTEMS AT ISI WITHOUT PERMISSION. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Stevn Bartley >> System Administrator >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Anthony Baldwin http://www.School-Library.net Freedom to Learn! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GED$/L/P/FA d? s: a C++ L++ W++ N++ K- w--- M+ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP- t+ tv-- b++(b++++) D? G e++++ h++ r--- y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From Linux_Man at comcast.net Wed Jan 19 01:11:09 2005 From: Linux_Man at comcast.net (Brian Beck) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 20:11:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux in Education Info In-Reply-To: <1268.209.167.107.197.1106075448.squirrel@209.167.107.197> References: <1268.209.167.107.197.1106075448.squirrel@209.167.107.197> Message-ID: <41EDB3AD.9020706@comcast.net> tuxnician at execulink.com wrote: > Hi everyone. > > I may be making a little progress with a Trustee about Linux but I would > like to provide him with more information. I realize that I may be > repeating what has been posted before (my apologies) but I am looking for > any info, presentations, experiences that can help him 'see the light'. > > I know that a couple people have discussed with their 'higher-ups' the > value and benefits of using Linux and the LTSP in their schools and I > would like to hear how they did it. > > I appreciate any info and help I can get so I can help get this project > into our schools. > > Since a decision maker said no more Linux (even though the one Mac Lab is > running OS10) the K12LTSP is being introduced to some schools as a pilot > for the benefits of Open Source software (and some are only available on > Linux!). > > One class in an elementary school running the K12LTSP and the teacher is > very happy with it. > > Thanks everyone. > Money talks. So does an actual demonstration. After our Technology Club set up a K12LTSP lab in my High School, we invited the Superintendent to the grand opening, where he was shown how to use the lab and some of the theories behind it, such as open source. When we told him that there were no software licensing fees for any of it (The OS, OpenOffice, etc) he was amazed and later called a school board meeting to show them the capabilities and the benefits. Seeing as you have a lab established already, take advantage of it. Try to get the Trustee(s) to come in and use the lab and see its benefits, and mention the incredible cost savings over the Microsoft equivalents (I don't want to think of how much 30 WinXP and Office licences cost). From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Jan 19 01:42:52 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 20:42:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: !!!!!!!PLEASE READ!!!!!!!!!!!! Important information=?ISO-8859-1?Q? regardin?= In-Reply-To: <41EDA0F3.1090405@snet.net> References: <41ED25B9.90502@ints.com> <41ED27F3.3000509@ints.com> <41EDA0F3.1090405@snet.net> Message-ID: Me likesssssss the nice sssssserver! Gollum! Gollum! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Jan 19 01:46:13 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 20:46:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux World In-Reply-To: References: <005601c4fce2$2383dfb0$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> < > < > <20050117232922.M24151@winonacotter.org> < > < > <20050118031007.M68992@winonacotter.org> < > < > <20050118042537.M1822@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, January 17, 2005 at 11:39 PM +0000 wrote: >Anybody willing to spend at least a little bit of time helping out at >the LTSP booth is invited. Count me in...a lot....and I know chuck will too :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From cliebow at downeast.net Wed Jan 19 02:10:35 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 02:10:35 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Linux World Message-ID: <200501190114.j0J1EDO00708@downeast.net> in spades..whatever it is..9~) > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Monday, January 17, 2005 at 11:39 PM +0000 wrote: > >Anybody willing to spend at least a little bit of time helping out at > >the LTSP booth is invited. > > Count me in...a lot....and I know chuck will too :-) > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From robark at telus.net Wed Jan 19 03:17:57 2005 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 19:17:57 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] lightweight file manager? In-Reply-To: <20050117200710.47e1ae9d@linuxbox> References: <200501142009.j0EK9t225728@downeast.net> <41E89F87.3000608@telus.net> <20050117200710.47e1ae9d@linuxbox> Message-ID: <41EDD165.6070303@telus.net> Kevin Squire wrote: >>I'm trying ROX at home BUT... >>You can't copy/paste more than 1 file at a time. Try selecting a bunch >>of files with the mouse and right click to copy, it's greyed out. >> >> > >When you want to copy a bunch of file, >you can open a second ROX window (Right click, and choose from the >windows option) then drag-n-drop. You may have to >experiment once or twice to find the copy. I have mine set to when ever >I drag-n-drop it asks if I want to copy/move/link. A Ctrl-Drag will >always copy. > > > > Your right drag/drop works with multiple files. Thanks. BTW has anyone tried the new XFFM with XFCE 4.2. It's getting very nice. There is even a GUI installer that compiles everything for you. XFCE 4.2 is great. It even has kiosk mode. I am happy with IceWM at school but I use XFCE at home. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V219 From holtniurka at cantv.net Wed Jan 19 03:54:09 2005 From: holtniurka at cantv.net (Richard) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 23:54:09 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] lightweight file manager? In-Reply-To: <41EDD165.6070303@telus.net> References: <200501142009.j0EK9t225728@downeast.net> <20050117200710.47e1ae9d@linuxbox> <41EDD165.6070303@telus.net> Message-ID: <200501182354.09562.holtniurka@cantv.net> On Tue, 18 January 2005 23:17, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > Kevin Squire wrote: > > >>I'm trying ROX at home BUT... > >>You can't copy/paste more than 1 file at a time. Try selecting a bunch > >>of files with the mouse and right click to copy, it's greyed out. > >> > >> > > > >When you want to copy a bunch of file, > >you can open a second ROX window (Right click, and choose from the > >windows option) then drag-n-drop. You may have to > >experiment once or twice to find the copy. I have mine set to when ever > >I drag-n-drop it asks if I want to copy/move/link. A Ctrl-Drag will > >always copy. > > > > > > > > > Your right drag/drop works with multiple files. Thanks. > > BTW has anyone tried the new XFFM with XFCE 4.2. It's getting very nice. > There is even a GUI installer that compiles everything for you. XFCE 4.2 > is great. It even has kiosk mode. I am happy with IceWM at school but I > use XFCE at home. Interesting, your comments. I really think that Xfce is getting it. They did a great job with the installer. Works like a charm. And the filer is really making great headway. However, as much as I keep trying to like and use Xfce, I keep returning to IceWM for it's speed, simplicity, staying out of my way, and just getting work done as much as I can, along with Kde for it's apps plus Krusader 1.51+. XWC has it's good points. For a minimal setup, the old Midnight Commander is probably the least resource intensive of all the decent file managers. But, there are many, many strong opinions on file managers. There really is nothing to do but give some of them a try. regards, Richard. > Robert Arkiletian > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V219 From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Wed Jan 19 04:54:18 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 23:54:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Upgrade from 3.2 to 4.2? Worth trying? Message-ID: <1106110458.4292.53.camel@localhost.localdomain> Jim, I think the general consensus is to back up and do a fresh install. I'm curious, being that you've waited this long, what is it that is driving you to change at this particular point in time? John Jim Christiansen wrote: Hi Everyone, I wound up procrastinating over the holidays and haven't moved our school system to 4.2 yet... Well maybe procrastinate is the wrong word... yearbook has kept me busy. Our system is 3.x and how bad would it be to just stuff in the cds and pick Upgrade? How much trash would be left on the system that would be just obsolete? I have never chosen Upgrade before. I've got the labs booked off for Friday and Monday so that should be plenty of time. Thanks, Jim From aimssda at cscoms.com Wed Jan 19 04:59:50 2005 From: aimssda at cscoms.com (CSCOMS) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:59:50 +0700 Subject: [K12OSN] SCSI RAID still not detected... In-Reply-To: <20050118041912.8198F736CC@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20050119045727.35EAD3BEDF@mailz1.loxinfo.co.th> Hi, I've been waiting for K12LTSP 4.2 based on FC3 because I was hoping that it fixed my problem. My problem is this, I have an HP Server with SCSI RAID Drives (Adaptec 2010s) which in FC1 it uses i2o driver. But if I try to upgrade it to 4.2, the drives are not detected so installation is impossible. I've tried asking from chatrooms, but still no answer. I hope somebody here has a solution to this coz really want to try and upgrade to 4.2. Thanks Edwardson Teacher, Thailand From be_j_ma at optusnet.com.au Wed Jan 19 08:23:02 2005 From: be_j_ma at optusnet.com.au (be_j_ma at optusnet.com.au) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:23:02 +1100 Subject: [K12OSN] 4.2.0 Booting Problem Message-ID: <200501190823.j0J8N26Y008292@mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From ahodson at elp.rr.com Wed Jan 19 14:07:57 2005 From: ahodson at elp.rr.com (Alan A Hodson) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 07:07:57 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Pushing an application to a given group Message-ID: Greetings from West Texas I believe I have used the Webmin batch script enough times to load users into a system to be able to add a group of users, who in addition to the regular privileges, also belong to a group called TEACHRS (suggestions welcomed - I use create:username:userpwd:::username:/home/username:/bin/csh::::: for the base script) ) What I really would appreciate some help with is creating a small script that would then push a given application (say its called IGPro) to the TEACHRS desktop *only*, much in the same way root is able to mass install flash, fonts, webmin itself, etc. from the desktop. I am deploying K12LTSP v.4.2.0 on a HUGE DELL server that is going to be accessible from any classroom at a campus (using VLANS) that I am hoping becomes a standard for the El Paso ISD. My deepest gratitude to the folks that share their talent and time with this list and to the effort of providing accessible technology to students everywhere Cheers Alan A Hodson http://links.episd.org aahodson at episd.org -=o=- From petre at maltzen.net Wed Jan 19 16:38:50 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 10:38:50 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Pushing an application to a given group In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41EE8D1A.6020300@maltzen.net> 1. Create a list of the IDs of the teachers you want to be able to run this app. 2. Create a group called igpro: /usr/sbin/groupadd igpro 3. Add the selected teachers to the group by making it a secondary group for those teachers; note that this won't affect their primary group or their membership in the TEACHRS group: /usr/sbin/usermod -G igpro teacher1 /usr/sbin/usermod -G igpro teacher2 ... 4. Create the launcher file for IGPro on one teacher's desktop (or your own), and then find that file in ~/Desktop/ (for KDE--I forget where Gnome stores desktop icons/launchers) 5. Using the list from step #1, copy the launcher file into the teachers' desktop: for x in `cat igpro_teachers_ids` cp IGPro /home/${x}/Desktop/ done You may want to change the permissions on the IGPro file afterward to make sure it's readable by the user. Steps 2 & 3 aren't really necessary, but it's a way to keep track of who has access to the application. If you wanted to be really thorough about it, you could set the group for the launcher file to be igpro and set other permissions to 0, e.g., 'chmod 550 IGPro'. Or did you mean, write a script so that you can distribute an app to only teachers by dragging onto an icon? If so, copy the script attached to the 'distribute to all users' icon and modify the copy so that it only works with members of the igpro or TEACHRS group. Petre Alan A Hodson wrote: > Greetings from West Texas > > I believe I have used the Webmin batch script enough times to load users > into a system to be able to add a group of users, who in addition to the > regular privileges, also belong to a group called TEACHRS (suggestions > welcomed - I use > create:username:userpwd:::username:/home/username:/bin/csh::::: for the > base script) > ) > > What I really would appreciate some help with is creating a small script > that would then push a given application (say its called IGPro) to the > TEACHRS desktop *only*, much in the same way root is able to mass > install flash, fonts, webmin itself, etc. from the desktop. > > I am deploying K12LTSP v.4.2.0 on a HUGE DELL server that is going to be > accessible from any classroom at a campus (using VLANS) that I am hoping > becomes a standard for the El Paso ISD. > > My deepest gratitude to the folks that share their talent and time with > this list and to the effort of providing accessible technology to > students everywhere > > Cheers > > Alan A Hodson > http://links.episd.org > aahodson at episd.org > -=o=- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Jan 19 17:38:30 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:38:30 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] printer attached to local client issue Message-ID: <41EE9B16.1050405@paasda.org> I have a laserjet printer attached to a thin client via parallel cable in the main K12LTSP lab. Apparently this client is getting powered down at the end of the school day. So when I arrive, I have an e-mail waiting for me telling me that "the printer does not work". I http://localhost:631/printers and stop then start the printer and all is well again. (of course there are 5 copies of each person's print job in the que that oddly enough root can not remove via the web interface) Is there any way to 'automagically' restart the printer when this client is powered back up? --Huck From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Jan 19 17:47:35 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:47:35 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] printer attached to local client issue In-Reply-To: <41EE9B16.1050405@paasda.org> Message-ID: <001f01c4fe4e$f5c35560$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> > I have a laserjet printer attached to a thin client via > parallel cable > in the main K12LTSP lab. > Apparently this client is getting powered down at the end of > the school day. So when I arrive, I have an e-mail waiting > for me telling me that "the > printer does not work". > I http://localhost:631/printers and stop then start the printer and > all is well again. > (of course there are 5 copies of each person's print job in > the que that > oddly enough root can not remove via the web interface) > Is there any way to 'automagically' restart the printer when > this client > is powered back up? I don't know much about printing yet but here are my quick thoughts: 1 - Get an external print server and print by IP and offload the duties from the terminal 2 - Simple cron to execute the command daily to stop and restart the printer. Either time it shortly after the standard time the terminal is usually powered up or maybe there is a way to have logon of that terminal trigger the execution of the cron. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From carl at snarlnet.com Wed Jan 19 17:53:12 2005 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:53:12 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - FC3 Server install/update Message-ID: <41EE9E88.1080408@snarlnet.com> Hi People, I know this is OT, but I trust this knowledgeable group, please help me if you can, both answers I need might be pretty short, even though the questions are long. I yesterday took an old workstation and installed straight FC3 on it. (not k12ltsp, hence the OT) I need this box to be a "kitchen sink" development server. I need to run mail/dns/php/mysql/apache, etc., etc. I'm going to be experimenting with Moodle, and other CMS/LMS's on it, so I need it to have Perl and a bunch of other libraries and goodies on it. For that reason, I chose the "everything" install. Just to make sure I had all the libraries and modules and plugins I could possibly get. So, my 2 questions: 1) How do I get "yum update" or up2date -u to work? They both crunch away for a couple hours, downloading headers, downloading packages, checking dependencies, and then ... hang. yum is hanging at a spot that says: "Finished Transaction Test \n Transaction Test Succeeded \n Running Transaction \n Updating: glibc-common 100% done 1/608" \n blinking cursor. I think up2date failed at pretty much the same spot. How do I get past this? 2) Should I have just done the "server" install? I don't plan to ever use this computer as a workstation. I don't need the games, open office, or anything, (it was nice to see the full FC3 though, gives me a hankering to upgrade my k12ltsp box) but is there anything servery that I'd be missing if I do the straight server install? At this point I'm willing to start over if it'll give me a leaner machine, with quicker/smoother updates, etc. Thank you so much, for everything. This list and linux and k12ltsp all rock! ck From robark at telus.net Wed Jan 19 18:15:46 2005 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 10:15:46 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] SCSI RAID still not detected... In-Reply-To: <20050119045727.35EAD3BEDF@mailz1.loxinfo.co.th> References: <20050119045727.35EAD3BEDF@mailz1.loxinfo.co.th> Message-ID: <1106158546.41eea3d293b85@webmail.telus.net> Quoting CSCOMS : > I've been waiting for K12LTSP 4.2 based on FC3 because I was hoping that it > fixed my problem. My problem is this, I have an HP Server with SCSI RAID > Drives (Adaptec 2010s) which in FC1 it uses i2o driver. But if I try to > upgrade it to 4.2, the drives are not detected so installation is > impossible. I've tried asking from chatrooms, but still no answer. I hope > somebody here has a solution to this coz really want to try and upgrade to > 4.2. Try this one http://adaptec.com/worldwide/support/driverdetail.jsp?sess=no&language=English+US&cat=/Product/ASC-39320D&filekey=aic7Yxx-2.0.12-6.3.9-linux-2.6.tar.bz2 your chip is aic 7930w so 79xx should work but you will have to compile it and install it yourself. I'm not sure how to do it. You might want to ask adaptec for help. Also you will have to disable RAID support in the bios as this driver is for non RAID. I have the non RAID aic 7902 on my MB and it works fine with supplied driver from adaptec but I'm using 3.1.2 (RH9) Although kernel 2.6.5 and above should have this by default. Again no hardware RAID. You could do software RAID with Kernel it's probably very comparable in terms of performance. Robert Arkiletian From les at futuresource.com Wed Jan 19 18:38:40 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:38:40 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - FC3 Server install/update In-Reply-To: <41EE9E88.1080408@snarlnet.com> References: <41EE9E88.1080408@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: <1106159920.24573.7.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-01-19 at 11:53, Carl Keil wrote: > I yesterday took an old workstation and installed straight FC3 on it. > (not k12ltsp, hence the OT) I need this box to be a "kitchen sink" > development server. They are pretty much identical if you omit the ltsp and education packages, but Eric usually backs in all the fedora updates up to the time he builds the isos, so you are probably better off installing k12ltsp even if you don't need the extras. > So, my 2 questions: > 1) How do I get "yum update" or up2date -u to work? They both crunch > away for a couple hours, downloading headers, downloading packages, > checking dependencies, and then ... hang. yum is hanging at a spot that > says: "Finished Transaction Test \n Transaction Test Succeeded \n > Running Transaction \n Updating: glibc-common 100% done 1/608" \n > blinking cursor. I think up2date failed at pretty much the same spot. > How do I get past this? If you are going to keep your install, I'd try updating a few individual packages first. If rpm or yum is in the list, get those first, then a few more at a time. Also, I thing there have been a few quirks in the update dependencies recently. That part may straighten itself out. > 2) Should I have just done the "server" install? I don't plan to ever > use this computer as a workstation. I don't need the games, open > office, or anything, (it was nice to see the full FC3 though, gives me a > hankering to upgrade my k12ltsp box) but is there anything servery that > I'd be missing if I do the straight server install? At this point I'm > willing to start over if it'll give me a leaner machine, with > quicker/smoother updates, etc. The other stuff doesn't normally hurt anything, but it does make the updates more complicated. I'd start with a 'server' install and add the development packages you need. You can always add more if you need it. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Jan 19 18:49:20 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 10:49:20 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] printer attached to local client issue In-Reply-To: <001f01c4fe4e$f5c35560$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001f01c4fe4e$f5c35560$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <41EEABB0.5020804@paasda.org> yes...this is option B =) ...but it doesn't actually solve the issue, it's only a work-around. I've actually resorted to the low-cost work-around currently DO NOT TURN THIS MACHINE OFF printed on plain white paper =) $0.03 --Huck Jim Kronebusch wrote: >>I have a laserjet printer attached to a thin client via >>parallel cable >>in the main K12LTSP lab. >>Apparently this client is getting powered down at the end of >>the school day. So when I arrive, I have an e-mail waiting >>for me telling me that "the >>printer does not work". >>I http://localhost:631/printers and stop then start the printer and >>all is well again. >>(of course there are 5 copies of each person's print job in >>the que that >>oddly enough root can not remove via the web interface) >>Is there any way to 'automagically' restart the printer when >>this client >>is powered back up? >> >> > >I don't know much about printing yet but here are my quick thoughts: > >1 - Get an external print server and print by IP and offload the duties >from the terminal > >2 - Simple cron to execute the command daily to stop and restart the >printer. Either time it shortly after the standard time the terminal is >usually powered up or maybe there is a way to have logon of that >terminal trigger the execution of the cron. > > > > From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Jan 19 18:52:21 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:52:21 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] printer attached to local client issue In-Reply-To: <41EEABB0.5020804@paasda.org> Message-ID: <002001c4fe58$01f18880$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> > yes...this is option B =) > ...but it doesn't actually solve the issue, it's only a > work-around. I've actually resorted to the low-cost > work-around currently DO NOT TURN THIS MACHINE OFF printed on > plain white paper =) $0.03 I saw it as possible options B and C. Option 1 (B) would be the print server, Option 2 (C) would be keep the printer where it is and create the cron scripts. I seem to recall someone triggering other types of events on client login, maybe you could use that to trigger the printer restart. I'd help with the scripting but don't understand it enough. > >1 - Get an external print server and print by IP and offload > the duties > >from the terminal > > > >2 - Simple cron to execute the command daily to stop and restart the > >printer. Either time it shortly after the standard time the > terminal > >is usually powered up or maybe there is a way to have logon of that > >terminal trigger the execution of the cron. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From kmgrant at actaccess.net Wed Jan 19 12:32:21 2005 From: kmgrant at actaccess.net (Ken Grant) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:32:21 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] workstation boot problem Message-ID: <41EE5355.6080302@actaccess.net> Hi All: I am having trouble getting my workstations to boot. This has happened when booting from a disk and from a boot rom. The workstations pull an IP address successfully but then one of two things happen. After getting an IP address the workstations does not load a kernel. It stops at /tftbt/vmlinuz... That path may not be completely correct. If it does get a kernel it will often hang on mounting the filesystem. The odd think is, if I reboot it will often connect to the sever correctly. This has happened in several workstations. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. Cheers, Ken From ramonklown at pop.com.br Wed Jan 19 21:54:30 2005 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:54:30 -0200 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Sound and Mic on Client Help Message-ID: <4327.200.141.85.131.1106171670.squirrel@popmail3.pop.com.br> Hi, I have been trying to put sound and mic on my clients with no success. (Skype) The sound I know is already implemented with the ltsp package and it is configure to "SOUND = Y" on the client, but I can't listen to nothing :(. Is there a Mic server already with the ltsp, how can I set it on? Thanks, Ramon From ollenotna2000 at yahoo.it Wed Jan 19 20:36:36 2005 From: ollenotna2000 at yahoo.it (Antonello Facchetti) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 21:36:36 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp on different distribution Message-ID: <41EEC4D4.2050604@yahoo.it> Browsing on the list it seemed to me that someone installed k12ltsp on a different distribution than fedora. Am I right or was just dreaming? If yes, is there any hint or guide about it? tia Antonello From armstrochm at hotmail.com Wed Jan 19 22:56:38 2005 From: armstrochm at hotmail.com (Randy Smitson) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 16:56:38 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Dell Power Edge 6300 Drivers for HD Message-ID: We recently received a Dell Power Edge 6300 Quad PII 400 with 4 x 8.5 SCSI Drives I can't get k12ltsp 4.2 to load because it says that it cannot find the drives. I have looked at the archive for this list and found a few references to this particular problem but haven't found a fix for it. Can anyone help? I would really like to try LTSP. I have tried installing other OS's (like Mandrake) and they installed, but did not have all processors. Can anyone help with this? Thanks Chris From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Wed Jan 19 23:25:33 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:25:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SCSI RAID still not detected... Message-ID: <1106177132.4292.89.camel@localhost.localdomain> Edwardson, I had a similar problem but with different Adaptec SCSI controller. Early in the install process you are able to point to cards that are not detected. There are about 5 or 6 adaptec controllers in the list. One of them might work for you. I ended up using the card as a regular controller and then using the Fedora software raid. FWIW: We have now used scsi hardware raid, a 3Ware ATA raid controller, and now, scsi with software raid. All work very well. One of these days I'd like to run bonnie++ or some other software to compare the disk performance of each solution. John Quoting CSCOMS : > I've been waiting for K12LTSP 4.2 based on FC3 because I was hoping that it > fixed my problem. My problem is this, I have an HP Server with SCSI RAID > Drives (Adaptec 2010s) which in FC1 it uses i2o driver. But if I try to > upgrade it to 4.2, the drives are not detected so installation is > impossible. I've tried asking from chatrooms, but still no answer. I hope > somebody here has a solution to this coz really want to try and upgrade to > 4.2. Try this one http://adaptec.com/worldwide/support/driverdetail.jsp?sess=no&language=English+US&cat=/Product/ASC-39320D&filekey=aic7Yxx-2.0.12-6.3.9-linux-2.6.tar.bz2 your chip is aic 7930w so 79xx should work but you will have to compile it and install it yourself. I'm not sure how to do it. You might want to ask adaptec for help. Also you will have to disable RAID support in the bios as this driver is for non RAID. I have the non RAID aic 7902 on my MB and it works fine with supplied driver from adaptec but I'm using 3.1.2 (RH9) Although kernel 2.6.5 and above should have this by default. Again no hardware RAID. You could do software RAID with Kernel it's probably very comparable in terms of performance. Robert Arkiletian From robark at telus.net Thu Jan 20 00:53:27 2005 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 16:53:27 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Xeon vs Opteron ? Message-ID: <1106182407.41ef01079344c@webmail.telus.net> Which cpu would you recommend for a multi user environment like k12ltsp Anyone have any personal experience to compare. The following cpu cost the same ---------------------------------------- Xeon 2.8 EM64T 1MB cache 800 FSB Advantage: Hyperthreading (With HT kernel sees double the cpus) Opteron 242 Advantage: Built in memory controller (beats xeon on most benchmarks) ---------------------------------------- Would your choice be different on single cpu vs dual cpu server? Robert Arkiletian From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Thu Jan 20 01:24:45 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:24:45 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Changing an IP in a printer NIC Message-ID: <41EF085D.9020902@elp.rr.com> My school was recently donated two HP 8000 Laserjet printers. They have the IP addresses in their NICs from the networks they were on. We can't get the printers to install on our local internal network. The printers ar set at 155.148.66.x and our internal network as set by out district is all 10.55.x.x These printers are going to be placed on our network outside the LTSP servers connected to the school's switches so that the Windows machines can use them also. Can someone explain in fair detail how we can get the IP addresses changed? We are using K12LTSP 4.01 in our servers currently. Thanks Pat From aimssda at cscoms.com Thu Jan 20 01:49:14 2005 From: aimssda at cscoms.com (CSCOMS) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:49:14 +0700 Subject: [K12OSN] SCSI RAID still not detected... In-Reply-To: <20050119215756.2B45F745B3@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20050120014650.20A237FA65@mailz2.loxinfo.co.th> > I've been waiting for K12LTSP 4.2 based on FC3 because I was hoping that it > fixed my problem. My problem is this, I have an HP Server with SCSI RAID > Drives (Adaptec 2010s) which in FC1 it uses i2o driver. But if I try to > upgrade it to 4.2, the drives are not detected so installation is > impossible. I've tried asking from chatrooms, but still no answer. I hope > somebody here has a solution to this coz really want to try and upgrade to > 4.2. >Try this one >http://adaptec.com/worldwide/support/driverdetail.jsp?sess=no&language=Engl >ish+US&cat=/Product/ASC-39320D&filekey=aic7Yxx-2.0.12-6.3.9-linux->2.6.tar. bz2> >your chip is aic 7930w so 79xx should work but you will have to compile it >and >install it yourself. I'm not sure how to do it. You might want to ask >adaptec >for help. Also you will have to disable RAID support in the bios as this >driver >is for non RAID. I have the non RAID aic 7902 on my MB and it works fine >with >supplied driver from adaptec but I'm using 3.1.2 (RH9) Although kernel >2.6.5 and >above should have this by default. Again no hardware RAID. You could do >software >RAID with Kernel it's probably very comparable in terms of performance. >Robert Arkiletian Thanks for the suggestion, but I don't know how to do it also. Because I'm installing the OS directly to the RAID Drive. Actually the SCSI controller of that HP is onboard, so I bought a Zero Channel RAID Card (Adaptec 2010S). I was just wandering why it worked fine with FC1 but not in later version. Any other people with suggestions or solutions. Thanks From tlegge at rogers.com Thu Jan 20 02:35:21 2005 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 21:35:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Changing an IP in a printer NIC In-Reply-To: <41EF085D.9020902@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <20050120023521.84951.qmail@web88212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- "John P. Conlon" wrote: > My school was recently donated two HP 8000 Laserjet > printers. They have > the IP addresses in their NICs from the networks > they were on. We can't > get the printers to install on our local internal > network. The printers > ar set at 155.148.66.x and our internal network as > set by out district > is all 10.55.x.x These printers are going to be > placed on our network > outside the LTSP servers connected to the school's > switches so that the > Windows machines can use them also. > > Can someone explain in fair detail how we can get > the IP addresses changed? Take a look at: http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Document.jsp?locale=en_US&taskId=115&prodSeriesId=25471&prodTypeId=18972&objectID=bpj02326#N10632 Tim From microman at cmosnetworks.com Thu Jan 20 02:43:36 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 21:43:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Xeon vs Opteron ? In-Reply-To: <1106182407.41ef01079344c@webmail.telus.net> References: <1106182407.41ef01079344c@webmail.telus.net> Message-ID: <41EF1AD8.9020502@cmosnetworks.com> Personally, I'd go for the Opteron. Though I'm not a programmer, from what I've read, Intel doesn't exactly implement the AMD64 instruction set properly, and x86-64 GNU/Linux development is really geared toward the Opteron. Also, the Opteron's just a better chip than the Xeon. It tends to quite handily beat any Xeon, be it in 32-bit or 64-bit mode. And that's with over a 1GHz clock-speed disadvantage. Finally, I have yet to see an EM64T chip actually for sale. I see Opterons all over the place, which means that they're not in short supply at this point. You should also compare motherboard prices. For me, this would be a factor; I've found Tyan boards to be very good over the years; I've got a couple of their dual Athlon MP mobos. MSI's dual Athlon motherboard has also been trouble-free for me. To my knowledge, ASUS does not yet make a dual-Opteron mobo (maybe scared of Intel?). --TP Robert Arkiletian wrote: >Which cpu would you recommend for a multi user environment like k12ltsp >Anyone have any personal experience to compare. > >The following cpu cost the same > >---------------------------------------- >Xeon 2.8 EM64T 1MB cache 800 FSB >Advantage: >Hyperthreading (With HT kernel sees double the cpus) > >Opteron 242 >Advantage: >Built in memory controller (beats xeon on most benchmarks) >---------------------------------------- > >Would your choice be different on single cpu vs dual cpu server? > >Robert Arkiletian > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From dan at shyne.org Thu Jan 20 03:33:13 2005 From: dan at shyne.org (Dan Shyne) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:33:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Content Management System ? In-Reply-To: <20050119170019.BD9B974535@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200501200308.j0K38U4q027769@mx2.redhat.com> Greetings All: I am looking for a Content Management System for teachers to do web pages with. I would prefer everything be on the server. In that vein, I would like to not have any web client software. Hence, the CMS would have to have its own WYSIWYG interface accessible by the clients. Anyone have any suggestions? Thanks Dan -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.0 - Release Date: 1/17/2005 From vceder at canterburyschool.org Thu Jan 20 04:03:31 2005 From: vceder at canterburyschool.org (Vern Ceder) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 23:03:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Content Management System ? In-Reply-To: <200501200308.j0K38U4q027769@mx2.redhat.com> References: <200501200308.j0K38U4q027769@mx2.redhat.com> Message-ID: <41EF2D93.1050703@canterburyschool.org> Plone/CMF/Zope. It's takes some learning if you want to really customize it, but it can do a LOT out of the box. Dan Shyne wrote: > Greetings All: > I am looking for a Content Management System for teachers to do web pages > with. I would prefer everything be on the server. In that vein, I would > like to not have any web client software. Hence, the CMS would have to have > its own WYSIWYG interface accessible by the clients. > > Anyone have any suggestions? > > Thanks > Dan > > > -- This time for sure! -Bullwinkle J. Moose ----------------------------- Vern Ceder, Director of Technology Canterbury School, 3210 Smith Road, Ft Wayne, IN 46804 vceder at canterburyschool.org; 260-436-0746; FAX: 260-436-5137 From bskahan at etria.com Thu Jan 20 04:31:27 2005 From: bskahan at etria.com (Brian Skahan) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 23:31:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Content Management System ? In-Reply-To: <41EF2D93.1050703@canterburyschool.org> References: <200501200308.j0K38U4q027769@mx2.redhat.com> <41EF2D93.1050703@canterburyschool.org> Message-ID: <1106195487.12689.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2005-01-19 at 23:03 -0500, Vern Ceder wrote: > Plone/CMF/Zope. It's takes some learning if you want to really customize it, > but it can do a LOT out of the box. A second vote for Plone - the plone base system plus a few products from the sourceforge plone collective provide most of the CMS features you need for basic course websites. -Brian -- Brian Skahan Etria, LLP -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robark at telus.net Thu Jan 20 05:05:02 2005 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 21:05:02 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Dell Power Edge 6300 Drivers for HD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41EF3BFE.8090505@telus.net> Randy Smitson wrote: > We recently received a Dell Power Edge 6300 Quad PII 400 with 4 x 8.5 > SCSI Drives > > I can't get k12ltsp 4.2 to load because it says that it cannot find > the drives. I have looked at the archive for this list and found a few > references to this particular problem but haven't found a fix for it. > Can anyone help? I would really like to try LTSP. Discover what scsi controller you have and download a DUD driver update disk (usually from Adaptec), make the DUD and then install the os in EXPERT mode and insert the floppy disk when prompted. You will have to search google for the exact steps but that's the jist of it. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V219 From ddaniels at magic.fr Thu Jan 20 06:40:52 2005 From: ddaniels at magic.fr (Dennis Daniels) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:40:52 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Xeon vs Opteron ? In-Reply-To: <41EF1AD8.9020502@cmosnetworks.com> References: <1106182407.41ef01079344c@webmail.telus.net> <41EF1AD8.9020502@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <41EF5274.6070801@magic.fr> I concur. I find the dual opteron quite snappy compared to a dual xeon. The price factors around the RAM are the only real pressure on making the switch to the opteron. dgd Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > Personally, I'd go for the Opteron. Though I'm not a programmer, from > what I've read, Intel doesn't exactly implement the AMD64 instruction > set properly, and x86-64 GNU/Linux development is really geared toward > the Opteron. Also, the Opteron's just a better chip than the Xeon. It > tends to quite handily beat any Xeon, be it in 32-bit or 64-bit mode. > And that's with over a 1GHz clock-speed disadvantage. > > Finally, I have yet to see an EM64T chip actually for sale. I see > Opterons all over the place, which means that they're not in short > supply at this point. > > You should also compare motherboard prices. For me, this would be a > factor; I've found Tyan boards to be very good over the years; I've got > a couple of their dual Athlon MP mobos. MSI's dual Athlon motherboard > has also been trouble-free for me. To my knowledge, ASUS does not yet > make a dual-Opteron mobo (maybe scared of Intel?). > > --TP > > Robert Arkiletian wrote: > >> Which cpu would you recommend for a multi user environment like k12ltsp >> Anyone have any personal experience to compare. >> The following cpu cost the same >> >> ---------------------------------------- >> Xeon 2.8 EM64T 1MB cache 800 FSB >> Advantage: >> Hyperthreading (With HT kernel sees double the cpus) >> >> Opteron 242 Advantage: >> Built in memory controller (beats xeon on most benchmarks) >> ---------------------------------------- >> >> Would your choice be different on single cpu vs dual cpu server? >> >> Robert Arkiletian >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> > > -- Lost and found here: http://dennisgdaniels.com/ and here irc://freenode/tikiwiki From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Thu Jan 20 06:53:51 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 01:53:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Xeon vs Opteron Message-ID: <1106204031.4292.152.camel@localhost.localdomain> Robert, I built two dual 2.8 Ghz Xeon 800 fsb servers in December. Here are the part and pieces: http://secure.newegg.com/app/WishR.asp?ID=1116068 They have been on line for about three weeks now. The performance is Very Good, but we had one lock up today. I did some research on the errors and one web page mentions these processors as being suspect. Other pages point to faulty ram or pci card not being seated correctly. Have not narrowed it down yet. Here are the errors: Jan 19 11:54:21 thomas kernel: Uhhuh. NMI received for unknown reason 21 on CPU 0. Jan 19 11:54:21 thomas kernel: Dazed and confused, but trying to continue Jan 19 11:54:21 thomas kernel: Do you have a strange power saving mode enabled? Jan 19 11:55:31 thomas kernel: Uhhuh. NMI received for unknown reason 31 on CPU 0. Jan 19 11:55:31 thomas kernel: Dazed and confused, but trying to continue Jan 19 11:55:31 thomas kernel: Do you have a strange power saving mode enabled? If I was to do over I'd look into a different mother board (the nics were not detected right off). The scsi card Adaptec 64-bit Ultra320 SCSI Card, Model "2060100" was not detected either and the specs lead you to believe that "hardware" raid works with Linux it doesn't so I ended up using software raid. The case is also a little pricey but very roomy, well built, fairly quiet and if it's important aesthetically appealing. I ran into problems installing k12ltsp 4.2. and dropped back to 4.1. It is possible that there is some sort of weirdness with this particular hardware and the Fedora core 3 kernel. I'll be looking into getting 4.2 installed over spring break. Oh I also purchased a Thermaltake VA3000 mid-tower case which was not well suited to dual processor. Heat sync's interfere with 2 drive bays. John Robert wrote: Which cpu would you recommend for a multi user environment like k12ltsp Anyone have any personal experience to compare. The following cpu cost the same ---------------------------------------- Xeon 2.8 EM64T 1MB cache 800 FSB Advantage: Hyperthreading (With HT kernel sees double the cpus) Opteron 242 Advantage: Built in memory controller (beats xeon on most benchmarks) ---------------------------------------- Would your choice be different on single cpu vs dual cpu server? Robert Arkiletian From sjsj at freespace.net Thu Jan 20 09:31:31 2005 From: sjsj at freespace.net (Steve James) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:31:31 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Content Management System ? In-Reply-To: <200501200308.j0K38U4q027769@mx2.redhat.com> References: <200501200308.j0K38U4q027769@mx2.redhat.com> Message-ID: <41EF7A73.30109@freespace.net> Site at School is a CMS developed for primary schools. http://siteatschool.sourceforge.net/index.php?section=1 Follow this link to see many websites using it http://tinyurl.com/5yjwx All you need is Apache, PHP, and MySQL installed. History The history of this project goes back to 1998, when student (Mark de Haan) of the "Municipal School Community Schagen" in the Netherlands built a schoolsite. After building the site in 2000, he started to think about a system that would make it easier to build and maintain a schoolsite and also make more advanced possibilities available like a personal page for every pupil. In 2002 the Public Primary School Rosa Boekdrukker in Amsterdam was investigating the possibilities of having a website of their own. The Educational Dept. of the Municipality of Amsterdam, City District 'De Baarsjes' , was convinced on the usefullnes of the concept of a content management system and decided to fund the first release of a Content Management System for primary schools: Site at School Version 1.0. The total costs of the first version were EUR 1500.--. In 2003 other schools got interested and another developer (Fred Stuurman) was found to solve bugs in the first release and to further develop Site at School by adding modules and functionalities. On the 29th of March 2003 version 1.10 was released . On the 30st of June 2003 version1.2 was released. On the 29th of December 2003 version 2 was released. 2.1 was released in march 2004, shortly followed by 2.1.1 to fix some bugs. 2.2 is released 31 October 2004. Regards Steve Dan Shyne wrote: >Greetings All: >I am looking for a Content Management System for teachers to do web pages >with. I would prefer everything be on the server. In that vein, I would >like to not have any web client software. Hence, the CMS would have to have >its own WYSIWYG interface accessible by the clients. > >Anyone have any suggestions? > >Thanks >Dan > > > > > From mellax at pm.ee Thu Jan 20 09:43:02 2005 From: mellax at pm.ee (mella) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:43:02 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Content Management System ? In-Reply-To: <20050120043124.3F899746CA@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050120043124.3F899746CA@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <41EF7D26.9010203@pm.ee> Mamboserver? But it is accessible by web client software. From nsantiago at caclv.org Thu Jan 20 10:45:23 2005 From: nsantiago at caclv.org (Santiago, Nicholas) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 05:45:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Content Management System ? Message-ID: I tend to like Etomite (or as it was formerly, Phase). It's really easy to use and if all you need it for is to manage content, then it's your best bet IMHO. I'd check it out at www.etomite.org . -Nick -----Original Message----- From: Brian Skahan [mailto:bskahan at etria.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 11:31 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Content Management System ? On Wed, 2005-01-19 at 23:03 -0500, Vern Ceder wrote: Plone/CMF/Zope. It's takes some learning if you want to really customize it, but it can do a LOT out of the box. A second vote for Plone - the plone base system plus a few products from the sourceforge plone collective provide most of the CMS features you need for basic course websites. -Brian -- Brian Skahan > Etria, LLP -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk Thu Jan 20 12:58:49 2005 From: gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk (gavin spurgeon) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 12:58:49 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Pushing an application to a given group Message-ID: <1106225929.9c2bc0bcgsp@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Hi Alan & List.. I made a HOWTO on this a wile back, it is a very simple and easy way to setup a method of Icons per group... The HOWTO is located @ http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net/k12ltsp/desktop_per_group.htm Have a quick look, hope it helps... Please let the list know if tou manage to get it working... -----Original Message----- From: Alan A Hodson To: k12osn at redhat.com Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 07:07:57 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Pushing an application to a given group Greetings from West Texas I believe I have used the Webmin batch script enough times to load users into a system to be able to add a group of users, who in addition to the regular privileges, also belong to a group called TEACHRS (suggestions welcomed - I use create:username:userpwd:::username:/home/username:/bin/csh::::: for the base script) ) What I really would appreciate some help with is creating a small script that would then push a given application (say its called IGPro) to the TEACHRS desktop *only*, much in the same way root is able to mass install flash, fonts, webmin itself, etc. from the desktop. I am deploying K12LTSP v.4.2.0 on a HUGE DELL server that is going to be accessible from any classroom at a campus (using VLANS) that I am hoping becomes a standard for the El Paso ISD. My deepest gratitude to the folks that share their talent and time with this list and to the effort of providing accessible technology to students everywhere Cheers Alan A Hodson http://links.episd.org aahodson at episd.org -=o=- _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From big at santaz.dk Thu Jan 20 13:10:54 2005 From: big at santaz.dk (Jesper Berth) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:10:54 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] How do i delete all users cached webpages Message-ID: <1106226654.7678.6.camel@bigsanta.berthit> Hi How can i delete all users cached webpages in firefox, and not deleting their bookmarks and so on?? Jesper - Denmark -- Jesper Berth From jhansknecht at hanstech.com Thu Jan 20 13:31:11 2005 From: jhansknecht at hanstech.com (John Hansknecht) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:31:11 -0500 Subject: [ok-mail] [K12OSN] Content Management System ? In-Reply-To: <200501200308.j0K38U4q027769@mx2.redhat.com> References: <200501200308.j0K38U4q027769@mx2.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200501200831.11168.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> On Wednesday 19 January 2005 22:33, Dan Shyne wrote: > I am looking for a Content Management System for teachers to do web pages > with. I would prefer everything be on the server. In that vein, I would > like to not have any web client software. Hence, the CMS would have to > have its own WYSIWYG interface accessible by the clients. > > Anyone have any suggestions? Dan, There are a long list of Course Management Systems for teachers that may suite you well. We are using Moodle (www.moodle.org) here at U of D Jesuit High School (student.uofdjesuit.org) in Detroit and are quite happy with it. You can find additional information on Moodle and other alternatives here: http://www.edutools.info/course/index.jsp -- Thanks, John The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. - Mattrol at uscom.com (Drakmere) From robowens at myway.com Thu Jan 20 14:06:09 2005 From: robowens at myway.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:06:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp on different distribution Message-ID: <20050120140609.AFDFC3A03@mprdmxin.myway.com> I don't think so. There is the ltsp package which can be added to any distro (www.ltsp.org), but this does not include the educational software and some of the configuration that K12LTSP includes. I believe Eric said that a base-distro-independent K12LTSP was being considered for the future, but I may have misunderstood that. -Rob --- On Wed 01/19, Antonello Facchetti < ollenotna2000 at yahoo.it > wrote: From: Antonello Facchetti [mailto: ollenotna2000 at yahoo.it] To: K12OSN at redhat.com Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 21:36:36 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp on different distribution Browsing on the list it seemed to me that someone installed k12ltsp on a
different distribution than fedora.
Am I right or was just dreaming?
If yes, is there any hint or guide about it?

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_______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Thu Jan 20 14:11:35 2005 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:11:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 11, Issue 64 In-Reply-To: <20050118191539.317777389D@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050118191539.317777389D@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1106230295.26742.22.camel@phoenix.media.local> SGI O2s... that brings back some memories. About 2 years ago I worked on creating a cluster of O2s and Indy workstations back at the college I graduated from. I used a version of Debian. The SGI Machines use different versions of the Rxxxx processors... which have similar, but not exact architectures. My Indy kernels would not boot the O2s. These machines however, have the ability built right in to tftpboot. What was arcane was figuring out the settings required for the SGI "BIOS" in order to network boot. Try this link... it looks familiar (there are some special tweaks to MTU or something, otherwise TFTPBOOTs might fail or timeout): http://www.total-knowledge.com/progs/mips/o2-howto.shtml I've never compiled a version of LTSP (or at all), for a different architecture, so I don't know the requirements. I've played with cross architecture compilers, but it has been awhile. I got this link from the linux-mips wiki: He appears to have some working kernel versions..., so all you would have to do is get a network booting version of LTSP for MIPS going... http://www.tal.org/~milang/o2/ What I ended up doing with the SGI Indy workstations was configuring Debian on a drive, and copying the files to new drives for the new stations. The O2s would make it easy since the SCSI drives pop in and out the back in their nice SCA connectors..mmmm.... Oh, putting the kernel on the drive takes some magic too.... Check this link out for help http://honk.physik.uni-konstanz.de/linux-mips/indy-boot/indy-hd-boot-micro-howto.html > > ______________________________________________________________________ Hopefully my rambling makes some sense. Good luck! Henry Burroughs > From: aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] k12ltsp & SGI O2 > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 12:09:44 -0500 > > >>We were donated about 40 SGI O2 R5000 and would love to be able to make > good use of these RISC boxes other that "cute" bookends. >> > > Wow those are neat looking. They are RISC R5000 cpu's like 210Mhz (RISC) > yes ? I think you are in for a battle. You can weave your own LTSP for > these I think with another OS. Find a linux distro for that hardward and > see if it works. These are not x86 workstations so an "out-of the box" > K12LTSP install won't work for you. Try to find a linux distro for that > hardware. They did not come with IRIX ? Might have to go FreeBSD, I don't > recall seeing a linux distro for the R5000 cpu. I would love to be wrong > for your sake. :) ;) They are cool are they blue or black ? > Hope this helps, > Tom Ventresco > > From microman at cmosnetworks.com Thu Jan 20 14:35:02 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:35:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Xeon vs Opteron ? In-Reply-To: <41EF5274.6070801@magic.fr> References: <1106182407.41ef01079344c@webmail.telus.net> <41EF1AD8.9020502@cmosnetworks.com> <41EF5274.6070801@magic.fr> Message-ID: <41EFC196.4080806@cmosnetworks.com> That's true. Opterons do need registered DRAM, which tends to be more expensive than typical desktop DRAM. But then, in any server handling 30 stations, which is how many are in virtually all of our computer labs in my district, you need stability. Your server goes down, that's at least 30 people, and in my case, it's more, because the staff also use it as a file server (Samba). Thus, any down time is *HIGHLY* visible, and thus, not good in a dyed-in-the-wool Microsoft shop. Therefore, you really should be running ECC DRAM anyway, be it in a Xeon, Opteron, SPARC, PowerPC, or whatever. All ECC DRAM that I've ever seen is of the registered variety, since it's intended for servers. Thus, your price point on DRAM should be the same whether you go Opteron or Xeon. All of my dual Athlons, including the one in the school, run ECC/Registered DRAM, and not a single one of them has ever crashed. That fact alone is worth the extra $400/server that it cost. Everyone in that school grumbles about their XP boxes, but they love that server. --TP Dennis Daniels wrote: > I concur. I find the dual opteron quite snappy compared to a dual > xeon. The price factors around the RAM are the only real pressure on > making the switch to the opteron. > > dgd > > Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > >> Personally, I'd go for the Opteron. Though I'm not a programmer, >> from what I've read, Intel doesn't exactly implement the AMD64 >> instruction set properly, and x86-64 GNU/Linux development is really >> geared toward the Opteron. Also, the Opteron's just a better chip >> than the Xeon. It tends to quite handily beat any Xeon, be it in >> 32-bit or 64-bit mode. And that's with over a 1GHz clock-speed >> disadvantage. >> >> Finally, I have yet to see an EM64T chip actually for sale. I see >> Opterons all over the place, which means that they're not in short >> supply at this point. >> >> You should also compare motherboard prices. For me, this would be a >> factor; I've found Tyan boards to be very good over the years; I've >> got a couple of their dual Athlon MP mobos. MSI's dual Athlon >> motherboard has also been trouble-free for me. To my knowledge, ASUS >> does not yet make a dual-Opteron mobo (maybe scared of Intel?). >> >> --TP >> >> Robert Arkiletian wrote: >> >>> Which cpu would you recommend for a multi user environment like k12ltsp >>> Anyone have any personal experience to compare. >>> The following cpu cost the same >>> >>> ---------------------------------------- >>> Xeon 2.8 EM64T 1MB cache 800 FSB >>> Advantage: >>> Hyperthreading (With HT kernel sees double the cpus) >>> >>> Opteron 242 Advantage: >>> Built in memory controller (beats xeon on most benchmarks) >>> ---------------------------------------- >>> >>> Would your choice be different on single cpu vs dual cpu server? >>> >>> Robert Arkiletian >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >>> >>> >> >> > -- _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Thu Jan 20 15:31:50 2005 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:31:50 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Content Management System ? In-Reply-To: <20050120132942.B1097743FA@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050120132942.B1097743FA@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <41EFCEE6.7040809@honeygroveisd.net> > Greetings All: > I am looking for a Content Management System for teachers to do web pages > with. I would prefer everything be on the server. In that vein, I would > like to not have any web client software. Hence, the CMS would have > to have > its own WYSIWYG interface accessible by the clients. > Anyone have any suggestions? > Thanks > Dan A second vote for mambo. C-ya, Mark ____ If the whole world depends on today's youth, I can't see the world lasting another 100 years. -- Socrates From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Thu Jan 20 15:52:30 2005 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 07:52:30 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] How do i delete all users cached webpages In-Reply-To: <1106226654.7678.6.camel@bigsanta.berthit> References: <1106226654.7678.6.camel@bigsanta.berthit> Message-ID: <41EFD3BE.10909@parkrose.k12.or.us> Jesper Berth wrote: > How can i delete all users cached webpages in firefox, and not deleting > their bookmarks and so on?? Remove the ~/.mozilla/firefox//Cache directory. Perhaps something like this: for foo in `getent passwd | cut -d ":" -f 1`; do ls -d `getent passwd \ $foo | cut -d ":" -f 6`/.mozilla/firefox/*/Cache; done Change ls -d to rm -rf when it looks right. -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From SHarbour at nwresd.k12.or.us Thu Jan 20 16:26:07 2005 From: SHarbour at nwresd.k12.or.us (Sean Harbour) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:26:07 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Content Management System ? Message-ID: <646574B39C491E4D8573C54D35FFE52C058CAE@wsc-mail-01.intra.nwresd.k12.or.us> Our vote goes for Metadot. http://www.metadot.com It's simple to use with a WYSIWYG web editor, full of features, and free, of course. And, if you need support you can buy that too. It has a decent rights management system (Supports LDAP!) built in which most of the CMS tools don't do very well at all. So, you can easily teach your users how to delegate a single web page about school closures to a secretary, for instance. We've implemented 5 virtual websites on our single server so far. Once you get the first site working, creating a new virtual site for a different school or location takes about 15 minutes. Initial installation was fairly easy, but make sure you install the supplied perl packages from Metadot. Newer libraries can cause problems. Oh, and did I mention that they actually have decent documentation? They even have some videos online to show users how to do some of the simpler operations! And, NASA uses it for some of their sites, so it can't be all bad, eh? Sean Harbour sharbour at nwresd.k12.or.us -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3041 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dgough at papcs.com Thu Jan 20 16:40:22 2005 From: dgough at papcs.com (Doug Gough) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:40:22 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Content Management System ? Message-ID: <88CE924D399D784FB06DA325F2CF40329CECF3@xms.papcs.com> Mambo can be a great solution. I'm learning it now. It's pretty easy to build templates for, although the CSS stuff is vaguely documented. But you can install one of a million different free templates and then modify just the stuff you need to change. Also, there is a million free and commercial modules for it, so you can do almost anything you can imagine. One major downside, though, is that it's user rights management is just barely adequate. There is a hack that let's you connect to LDAP. It's easy to install if you have the basic apache/mysql/php configuration on your server. Doug Gough -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Mark Cockrell Sent: January 20, 2005 7:32 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Content Management System ? > Greetings All: > I am looking for a Content Management System for teachers to do web pages > with. I would prefer everything be on the server. In that vein, I would > like to not have any web client software. Hence, the CMS would have > to have > its own WYSIWYG interface accessible by the clients. > Anyone have any suggestions? > Thanks > Dan A second vote for mambo. C-ya, Mark ____ If the whole world depends on today's youth, I can't see the world lasting another 100 years. -- Socrates _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From sjsj at freespace.net Thu Jan 20 17:50:25 2005 From: sjsj at freespace.net (Steve James) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:50:25 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Content Management System ? In-Reply-To: <88CE924D399D784FB06DA325F2CF40329CECF3@xms.papcs.com> References: <88CE924D399D784FB06DA325F2CF40329CECF3@xms.papcs.com> Message-ID: <41EFEF61.5080804@freespace.net> I haven'nt heard of Mambo until now, while reading their site I came across this link in the "Is Mambo for me?" section http://www.opensourcecms.com/ Lists over 20 systems ( I stopped counting) , has advice on how to choose, and you can experiment with each of the systems the systems. Think I'll be there a while ;-) Regards Steve Doug Gough wrote: >Mambo can be a great solution. I'm learning it now. It's pretty easy to >build templates for, although the CSS stuff is vaguely documented. But >you can install one of a million different free templates and then >modify just the stuff you need to change. Also, there is a million free >and commercial modules for it, so you can do almost anything you can >imagine. One major downside, though, is that it's user rights management >is just barely adequate. There is a hack that let's you connect to LDAP. >It's easy to install if you have the basic apache/mysql/php >configuration on your server. > >Doug Gough > >-----Original Message----- >From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On >Behalf Of Mark Cockrell >Sent: January 20, 2005 7:32 AM >To: k12osn at redhat.com >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Content Management System ? > > > >>Greetings All: >>I am looking for a Content Management System for teachers to do web >> >> >pages > > >>with. I would prefer everything be on the server. In that vein, I >> >> >would > > >>like to not have any web client software. Hence, the CMS would have >>to have >>its own WYSIWYG interface accessible by the clients. >>Anyone have any suggestions? >>Thanks >>Dan >> >> > > >A second vote for mambo. > >C-ya, >Mark >____ >If the whole world depends on today's youth, I can't see the world >lasting another 100 years. -- Socrates > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From Trae.Elmore at marshall.tstc.edu Thu Jan 20 18:14:25 2005 From: Trae.Elmore at marshall.tstc.edu (Trae Elmore) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 12:14:25 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: changing IP addresses on a Printer Nic Message-ID: There are two ways that you can change the addresses on your HP Laserjet 8000s, good printers by the way and should support postscript printing. The least comlicated, though not necessarily the best, is to change the address at the printer console using the menu, +, -, and item buttons. The menu you will probably want to use will labeled EIO (Ethernet IO). The better long term choice, particularly if you are looking to acquire more HP printers with JetDirect cards in them, is to download the WebJetAdmin utility from HPs website and use it to remotely configure the printers. It is available for both Windows and Fedora. Tou do this you will need the MAC addresses of the printers. You can get this at the printer by going to the Test menu at the printer console and printing a configuration page. It will be part of the EIO information. Hope that helps. Trae Elmore CNE, MCP Program Chair of Computer Systems Networking trae.elmore at marshall.tstc.edu 903) 935-1010 ext. 3361 From big at santaz.dk Thu Jan 20 18:51:41 2005 From: big at santaz.dk (Jesper Berth) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 19:51:41 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] How do i delete all users cached webpages In-Reply-To: <41EFD3BE.10909@parkrose.k12.or.us> References: <1106226654.7678.6.camel@bigsanta.berthit> <41EFD3BE.10909@parkrose.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1106247101.9180.11.camel@bigsanta.berthit> tor, 20 01 2005 kl. 07:52 -0800, skrev Dan Young: > Jesper Berth wrote: > > How can i delete all users cached webpages in firefox, and not deleting > > their bookmarks and so on?? > > Remove the ~/.mozilla/firefox//Cache directory. Perhaps > something like this: > > for foo in `getent passwd | cut -d ":" -f 1`; do ls -d `getent passwd \ > $foo | cut -d ":" -f 6`/.mozilla/firefox/*/Cache; done > > Change ls -d to rm -rf when it looks right. Thanks it worked just removed ~1.5Gb Cached files, that will result in a faster backup :-) Jesper > -- > Dan Young > Parkrose School District > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Jesper Berth From k12ltsp at hermon.net Thu Jan 20 21:07:45 2005 From: k12ltsp at hermon.net (k12ltsp) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 16:07:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC Reflector Not Working Message-ID: Hi there everyone! I am having some difficulty getting VNC Reflector working on our Fedora Core 2 LTSP installation. I have followed the steps from David (which are updated by Robert), but still no success! I successfully built the vncreflector file and moved it to another folder, in this case /opt/vncreflector/ In this folder, I have created the PASSWD_FILE and placed the passwords in there as follows: teacheruser student I then created the startreflector script and chmod it to allow executable access. The script runs fine. I inserted: /opt/vncreflector/vncreflector -p PASSWD_FILE -i PID_FILE -l 5999 HOST_INFO_FILE I then run the vncpasswd /usr/local/share/passwd command. I enter "student" as the password. I then ran: chmod 755 /usr/local/share/passwd Success so far. I start the server with no difficulty, the server starts with no errors in the log. It states: VNC Reflector 1.2.4. Copyright (C) 2001-2003 HorizonLive.com, Inc. HorizonLive provides e-Learning and collaborative synchronous presentation solutions in a totally Web-based environment. For more information about HorizonLive, please see our website at http://www.horizonlive.com/ Starting in the background, see the log file for errors and other messages. Here's where I experience problems: When I run vncviewer localhost:99 and enter "teacheruser". The connection drops with the following error: Thu Jan 20 16:01:35 2005 CConn: connected to host localhost port 5999 CConnection: Server supports RFB protocol version 3.3 CConnection: Using RFB protocol version 3.3 Thu Jan 20 16:01:38 2005 main: End of stream There is an "End of stream" message. I have verified that the password is correct, as when I type in the wrong password, I clearly get an authentication error message. I have verified that vncserver is running, because when I type in vncviewer localhost:1 I get a connection to the login screen. I can also verify that when I launch vncreflector, it connects to the VNC session because of the following log entries: 20/01/05 15:59:57 + Starting VNC Reflector 1.2.4 20/01/05 15:59:57 - Switched to the background mode 20/01/05 15:59:57 * Using only 8 first bytes of a longer password 20/01/05 15:59:57 * Host password not specified, assuming no auth 20/01/05 15:59:57 + Connecting to localhost, port 5901 20/01/05 15:59:57 + Connection established 20/01/05 15:59:58 - Remote RFB Protocol version is 3.8 20/01/05 15:59:58 * Protocol sub-version does not match (ignoring) 20/01/05 15:59:58 + No authentication required at host side 20/01/05 15:59:58 + Remote desktop geometry is 800x600 20/01/05 15:59:58 - Remote desktop name: x11 20/01/05 15:59:58 + Activating new host connection Just to see if there is a VNC connection issue with LTSP, I changed the host file to point to a PC with VNC Server on it, and the results were exactly the same.. confirming that it happens with all vnc servers I try to connect to. Maybe I'm missing something? Does anyone have any ideas? Thanks! Alan Owen Hermon School District Hermon, ME From skossakoski at sau16.org Thu Jan 20 22:44:15 2005 From: skossakoski at sau16.org (Steve Kossakoski) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:44:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP configuration script available Message-ID: K12LTSP Community, The goal in our school district during the last few months has been to build a linux network that would allow all types of clients to authenticate and access home directories. However, the time and expertise required to install and configure LDAP/Samba was an issue. We are happy to announce that we have developed a script that drastically reduces the amount of time it takes to install and configure LDAP/Samba on a K12LTSP 4.2 server (less than 30 minutes). We have successfully authenticated clients and accessed home directories on thin clients, Windows XP, Macintosh, and Linux. We hope that this script will be of use to the K12LTSP open source community. We thank all of your for your continued work and support. David Trask was instrumental in this project as he spent hundreds of hours in the development of the how-to and volunteered to test each version of the script. Matt Oquist is the talented programmer who authored the script. Art Reardon also spent endless hours in the testing and development process. Thanks to each of you for your work! The script can be download by clicking on the download button at: http://technology.sau16.k12.nh.us/opnsrc Steve Kossakoski Assistant Superintendent, Technology & Research SAU 16, 24 Front Street Exeter, NH 03833 From missive at hotmail.com Thu Jan 20 22:56:05 2005 From: missive at hotmail.com (Lee Harr) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 03:26:05 +0430 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: DHCP not setting gateway Message-ID: >>One problem I have is that the outside nic gets an address from DHCP, >>but the gateway is not set correctly. So each time I boot the system, >>I have to su and do route add default gw .... >> >can you set option routers 10.10.0.1?? I am not very familiar with this system. Where would I set that? The system was running fine, but someone must have rebooted it, as I have now lost contact.... Going over there tomorrow to try to straighten it out. Any other hints appreciated. _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Fri Jan 21 01:09:35 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:09:35 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: changing IP addresses on a Printer Nic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41F0564F.6020509@elp.rr.com> Thanks to those who gave me info on this. We reset at the panel and all is well. Thanks Pat Trae Elmore wrote: >There are two ways that you can change the addresses on your HP Laserjet >8000s, good printers by the way and should support postscript printing. > >The least comlicated, though not necessarily the best, is to change the >address at the printer console using the menu, +, -, and item buttons. >The menu you will probably want to use will labeled EIO (Ethernet IO). > >The better long term choice, particularly if you are looking to acquire >more HP printers with JetDirect cards in them, is to download the >WebJetAdmin utility from HPs website and use it to remotely configure >the printers. It is available for both Windows and Fedora. Tou do this >you will need the MAC addresses of the printers. You can get this at the >printer by going to the Test menu at the printer console and printing a >configuration page. It will be part of the EIO information. > >Hope that helps. > >Trae Elmore CNE, MCP >Program Chair of Computer Systems Networking >trae.elmore at marshall.tstc.edu >903) 935-1010 ext. 3361 > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From cliebow at downeast.net Fri Jan 21 02:00:25 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 02:00:25 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Re: DHCP not setting gateway Message-ID: <200501210103.j0L13nb21833@downeast.net> in global section of dhcp yu can specify option routers 10.10.0.1; if u have multiple subnets you can even set the gateway for each.. subnet 10.10.0.0 netmask 255.255.0.0{ option routers 10.10.0.1;\ } subnet 10.11.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0{ range 10.11.0.25 10.11.0.50; option routers 10.11.0.1; } chuck > >>One problem Ipd.conf you can have is that the outside nic gets an address from DHCP, > >>but the gateway is not set correctly. So each time I boot the system, > >>I have to su and do route add default gw .... > >> > > >can you set option routers 10.10.0.1?? > > > I am not very familiar with this system. Where would I set that? > > The system was running fine, but someone must have rebooted > it, as I have now lost contact.... Going over there tomorrow to try > to straighten it out. > > Any other hints appreciated. > > _________________________________________________________________ > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From cliebow at downeast.net Fri Jan 21 02:00:38 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 02:00:38 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Re: DHCP not setting gateway Message-ID: <200501210104.j0L142b21865@downeast.net> in global section of dhcp yu can specify option routers 10.10.0.1; if u have multiple subnets you can even set the gateway for each.. subnet 10.10.0.0 netmask 255.255.0.0{ option routers 10.10.0.1; } subnet 10.11.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0{ range 10.11.0.25 10.11.0.50; option routers 10.11.0.1; } chuck > >>One problem Ipd.conf you can have is that the outside nic gets an address from DHCP, > >>but the gateway is not set correctly. So each time I boot the system, > >>I have to su and do route add default gw .... > >> > > >can you set option routers 10.10.0.1?? > > > I am not very familiar with this system. Where would I set that? > > The system was running fine, but someone must have rebooted > it, as I have now lost contact.... Going over there tomorrow to try > to straighten it out. > > Any other hints appreciated. > > _________________________________________________________________ > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From cliebow at downeast.net Fri Jan 21 02:07:36 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 02:07:36 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP configuration script available Message-ID: <200501210111.j0L1B0b22839@downeast.net> lookin forward to comparing it to mine...chuck > K12LTSP Community, > The goal in our school district during the last few months has been to > build a linux network that would allow all types of clients to > authenticate and access home directories. However, the time and > expertise required to install and configure LDAP/Samba was an issue. > We are happy to announce that we have developed a script that > drastically reduces the amount of time it takes to install and > configure LDAP/Samba on a K12LTSP 4.2 server (less than 30 minutes). > We have successfully authenticated clients and accessed home > directories on thin clients, Windows XP, Macintosh, and Linux. We hope > that this script will be of use to the K12LTSP open source community. > We thank all of your for your continued work and support. > > David Trask was instrumental in this project as he spent hundreds of > hours in the development of the how-to and volunteered to test each > version of the script. Matt Oquist is the talented programmer who > authored the script. Art Reardon also spent endless hours in the > testing and development process. Thanks to each of you for your work! > The script can be download by clicking on the download button at: > http://technology.sau16.k12.nh.us/opnsrc > > Steve Kossakoski > Assistant Superintendent, Technology & Research > SAU 16, 24 Front Street Exeter, NH 03833 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Jan 21 03:18:01 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:18:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Eureka! Samba/LDAP is a piece of cake to set up now! Message-ID: Hello everyone! This is sooooo cooool! Many folks have struggled over the past 2 years to get Samba/LDAP servers up and running based on the how-to I had posted on my site (along with other how-to's as well). Steve Kossakoski of SAU 16 in Exeter, NH had the vision of putting the whole thing into a script and brought a talented programmer into the fold to help put the idea into practice. With Matt Oquist doing the code...Art Reardon, Tech director of SAU 16, doing the testing, and myself doing testing and the documentation....we have managed to pull together an awesome Samba/LDAP installer package that makes installing Samba/LDAP on your server a practically idiot-proof process. In fact, I encourage you to see for yourself! You can see the how-to doc online at http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/smbldap/index.htm Once there click one of the links at the top to download the smbldap-installer package. Simply untar the package and the run the script! It is primarily designed at this point to run on FC3 or K12LTSP 4.2. Set up a sandbox and give it a whirl....I think you'll be astounded as to how easy it is to set up! Simply answer a few easy questions and the script sets everything up for you....including running authconfig and setting up an export of /home (should you say so). Also included are some VERY cool scripts for creating usernames and adding users in bulk to the server. In fact, with a little planning it could very well be the easiest user creation you've ever done! All of the user creation scripts are explained in detail near the end of the how-to. Check it out....let us know how it works for you! I can honestly say...I had a fully functional Samba/LDAP server up and running with users added in less than 20 mins. (not including the install of the OS) Wheeeee! Very special thanks to Matt for his awesome coding skills......and to Steve and Art for thier support, vision, and testing. You all ROCK! PS....if you do not have all the necessary files installed...the script will prompt you for the CD and install the rpms for you! :-) See? I told you it was easy! Wondering what a Samba/LDAP server is? A centralized point of authentication regardless of OS. In my school...all my users live on the Samba/LDAP server and all the other servers authenticate to the Samba/LDAP server. All user home directories and profiles are accessible regardless of platform....Windows, Linux, OS X....all work fine. Adding a server to the network? No problem...simply point it to the Samba/LDAP server and away you go! Samba handles the Windows side of things and LDAP handles the rest....very cool! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From opensource at whitenitro.com Fri Jan 21 03:49:46 2005 From: opensource at whitenitro.com (Bryant Patten) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:49:46 -0500 Subject: RE[K12OSN] Content Management System ? In-Reply-To: <20050121015844.F1A82732A0@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050121015844.F1A82732A0@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <7E0B6A06-6B5F-11D9-9DD7-000393AE464E@whitenitro.com> Does anyone have any experience (pro or con) with Drupal? www.drupal.org On Jan 20, 2005, at 8:58 PM, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > [K12OSN] Content Management System ? From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Jan 21 05:26:14 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 21:26:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Eureka! Samba/LDAP is a piece of cake to set up now! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 20 Jan 2005, David Trask wrote: > Hello everyone! > > This is sooooo cooool! Many folks have struggled over the past 2 years > to get Samba/LDAP servers up and running based on the how-to I had posted > on my site (along with other how-to's as well). Steve Kossakoski of SAU > 16 in Exeter, NH had the vision of putting the whole thing into a script > and brought a talented programmer into the fold to help put the idea into > practice. With Matt Oquist doing the code...Art Reardon, Tech director of > SAU 16, doing the testing, and myself doing testing and the > documentation....we have managed to pull together an awesome Samba/LDAP > installer package that makes installing Samba/LDAP on your server a > practically idiot-proof process. In fact, I encourage you to see for > yourself! You can see the how-to doc online at > > http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/smbldap/index.htm Excellent! This has been on my wish-list for a long, long time. I'm off-line until Monday. Hopefully I can test & package this up early next week! -Eric From robark at telus.net Fri Jan 21 06:31:22 2005 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:31:22 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Xeon vs Opteron In-Reply-To: <1106204031.4292.152.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1106204031.4292.152.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <41F0A1BA.6060809@telus.net> John Baillie wrote: >Here are the errors: > >Jan 19 11:54:21 thomas kernel: Uhhuh. NMI received for unknown reason 21 >on CPU 0. >Jan 19 11:54:21 thomas kernel: Dazed and confused, but trying to >continue >Jan 19 11:54:21 thomas kernel: Do you have a strange power saving mode >enabled? >Jan 19 11:55:31 thomas kernel: Uhhuh. NMI received for unknown reason 31 >on CPU 0. >Jan 19 11:55:31 thomas kernel: Dazed and confused, but trying to >continue >Jan 19 11:55:31 thomas kernel: Do you have a strange power saving mode >enabled? > > > I would suggest playing with your BIOS settings. Try to turn off any power saving features. I actually had a similar problem with my server board. It would inexplicably hang until I turned off the keyboard inactivity setting in the BIOS. >If I was to do over I'd look into a different mother board (the nics >were not detected right off). The scsi card Adaptec 64-bit Ultra320 SCSI >Card, Model "2060100" was not detected either and the specs lead you to >believe that "hardware" raid works with Linux it doesn't so I ended up > > I believe it would work with the supported distros. Redhat and SuSE. Fedora is NOT supported by Adaptec. Fedora is really a beta OS for Redhat now. So I don't have a lot of faith in it. It's too bleeding edge for a server and the release cycle is way too fast. That's partially why I'm still with RH9. Personally, I think Debian stable (Sarge is due anytime now) would make an excellent platform for K12LTSP with a MUCH longer release cycle. Fewer bugs, problems with excellent continued support. When Debian says it's stable you can bet it's stable. But it's not an RPM distro so it may also suffer from lack of commercial support. >using software raid. The case is also a little pricey but very roomy, >well built, fairly quiet and if it's important aesthetically appealing. >I ran into problems installing k12ltsp 4.2. and dropped back to 4.1. It >is possible that there is some sort of weirdness with this particular >hardware and the Fedora core 3 kernel. I'll be looking into getting 4.2 >installed over spring break. Oh I also purchased a Thermaltake VA3000 >mid-tower case which was not well suited to dual processor. Heat sync's >interfere with 2 drive bays. > > I ran into same problem. So I purchased a Thermaltake Xaser III V1000 case. It is HUGE and HEAVY. I love it. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V219 From andyr at wizzy.com Fri Jan 21 09:47:49 2005 From: andyr at wizzy.com (Andy Rabagliati) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:47:49 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] How do i delete all users cached webpages In-Reply-To: <1106247101.9180.11.camel@bigsanta.berthit> References: <1106226654.7678.6.camel@bigsanta.berthit> <41EFD3BE.10909@parkrose.k12.or.us> <1106247101.9180.11.camel@bigsanta.berthit> Message-ID: <20050121094749.GX13775@wizzy.com> On Thu, 20 Jan 2005, Jesper Berth wrote: > Thanks it worked just removed ~1.5Gb Cached files, that will result in a > faster backup :-) I put this in /usr/lib/*/mozilla.cfg (suitably munged with moz-byteshift.pl) :- lockPref("browser.cache.disk.capacity", 0); lockPref("browser.cache.enable",false); Cheers, Andy! From tlegge at rogers.com Fri Jan 21 11:39:40 2005 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 07:39:40 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Locking down Mozilla and FireFox Preferences Message-ID: <1106307580.21367.58.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> Hi All Based on Andy Rabagliati's post about lockpref I found some great documents on how to lock down browser preferences. You may have are read seen the LTSP Mozilla Lockdown HOWTO which basically tells you how to set the same preferences for all users: http://togami.com/~warren/guides/mozlockdown/ The message at: http://lists.suse.com/archives/suse-linux-e/2004-Jul/2868.html documents how to lock preferences. In particular it deals with locking the browser into a particular proxy which would be great for filtering. I am sure there are more uses, but I plan to implement some of this very soon... Tim From cliebow at downeast.net Fri Jan 21 12:04:15 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 12:04:15 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] VNC Reflector Not Working Message-ID: <200501211107.j0LB7aE22139@downeast.net> why not pop into #ltsp on freenode.net. a couple of us been wrestling with it this week..cliebow > Hi there everyone! > > I am having some difficulty getting VNC Reflector working on our Fedora > Core 2 LTSP installation. I have followed the steps from David (which are > updated by Robert), but still no success! > > I successfully built the vncreflector file and moved it to another folder, > in this case /opt/vncreflector/ > > In this folder, I have created the PASSWD_FILE and placed the passwords in > there as follows: > teacheruser > student > > I then created the startreflector script and chmod it to allow executable > access. The script runs fine. I inserted: > /opt/vncreflector/vncreflector -p PASSWD_FILE -i PID_FILE -l 5999 > HOST_INFO_FILE > > I then run the vncpasswd /usr/local/share/passwd command. I enter > "student" as the password. > I then ran: chmod 755 /usr/local/share/passwd > Success so far. > > I start the server with no difficulty, the server starts with no errors in > the log. It states: > > VNC Reflector 1.2.4. Copyright (C) 2001-2003 HorizonLive.com, Inc. > > HorizonLive provides e-Learning and collaborative synchronous presentation > solutions in a totally Web-based environment. For more information about > HorizonLive, please see our website at http://www.horizonlive.com/ > > Starting in the background, see the log file for errors and other messages. > > Here's where I experience problems: > > When I run vncviewer localhost:99 and enter "teacheruser". The connection > drops with the following error: > > Thu Jan 20 16:01:35 2005 > CConn: connected to host localhost port 5999 > CConnection: Server supports RFB protocol version 3.3 > CConnection: Using RFB protocol version 3.3 > > Thu Jan 20 16:01:38 2005 > main: End of stream > > There is an "End of stream" message. I have verified that the password is > correct, as when I type in the wrong password, I clearly get an > authentication error message. > > I have verified that vncserver is running, because when I type in > vncviewer localhost:1 I get a connection to the login screen. > > I can also verify that when I launch vncreflector, it connects to the VNC > session because of the following log entries: > > 20/01/05 15:59:57 + Starting VNC Reflector 1.2.4 > 20/01/05 15:59:57 - Switched to the background mode > 20/01/05 15:59:57 * Using only 8 first bytes of a longer password > 20/01/05 15:59:57 * Host password not specified, assuming no auth > 20/01/05 15:59:57 + Connecting to localhost, port 5901 > 20/01/05 15:59:57 + Connection established > 20/01/05 15:59:58 - Remote RFB Protocol version is 3.8 > 20/01/05 15:59:58 * Protocol sub-version does not match (ignoring) > 20/01/05 15:59:58 + No authentication required at host side > 20/01/05 15:59:58 + Remote desktop geometry is 800x600 > 20/01/05 15:59:58 - Remote desktop name: x11 > 20/01/05 15:59:58 + Activating new host connection > > Just to see if there is a VNC connection issue with LTSP, I changed the > host file to point to a PC with VNC Server on it, and the results were > exactly the same.. confirming that it happens with all vnc servers I try > to connect to. > > Maybe I'm missing something? Does anyone have any ideas? > > Thanks! > > Alan Owen > Hermon School District > Hermon, ME > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From rgibson57 at earthlink.net Fri Jan 21 13:45:10 2005 From: rgibson57 at earthlink.net (Rita Gibson) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 06:45:10 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC Reflector Not Working In-Reply-To: <200501211107.j0LB7aE22139@downeast.net> References: <200501211107.j0LB7aE22139@downeast.net> Message-ID: <41F10766.1030609@earthlink.net> Hello! Yes come join us on IRC, I have been trying to get this to work and have been logging into #ltsp (thank you cliebow for helping). I would really like to get it to work, but take it one step further, I'd like it to work with TeacherTool. Hope to see you on the IRC guys. I probably won't be there today, I'm over-budget on my time, but will be in Monday. BTW, I wonder if these instructions were written for an installation that used vnc running under xinetd?Could this have anything to do with it? At some point this week I (with much help) had it working somehow but I got a new instance of a desktop instead of connecting to the teacherdemo desktop. Cliebow said there was a howto that rjune wrote on vnc and xinetd. I went looking for that this morning. Didn't find that howto, but did find some stuff on both wiki's about vnc and xinetd. It seems to me that what vnc is designed to do under xinetd -- is to give each user from whatever type of system an ltsp desktop so they can use an application on the terminal server. I am very confused. Maybe I shouldn't have tried to explain my state of confusion. Rita Gibson RMSELTech cliebow at downeast.net wrote: >why not pop into #ltsp on freenode.net. a couple of us been wrestling with >it this week..cliebow > > > >>Hi there everyone! >> >>I am having some difficulty getting VNC Reflector working on our Fedora >>Core 2 LTSP installation. I have followed the steps from David (which are >>updated by Robert), but still no success! >> >>I successfully built the vncreflector file and moved it to another folder, >>in this case /opt/vncreflector/ >> >>In this folder, I have created the PASSWD_FILE and placed the passwords in >>there as follows: >>teacheruser >>student >> >>I then created the startreflector script and chmod it to allow executable >>access. The script runs fine. I inserted: >>/opt/vncreflector/vncreflector -p PASSWD_FILE -i PID_FILE -l 5999 >>HOST_INFO_FILE >> >>I then run the vncpasswd /usr/local/share/passwd command. I enter >>"student" as the password. >>I then ran: chmod 755 /usr/local/share/passwd >>Success so far. >> >>I start the server with no difficulty, the server starts with no errors in >>the log. It states: >> >>VNC Reflector 1.2.4. Copyright (C) 2001-2003 HorizonLive.com, Inc. >> >>HorizonLive provides e-Learning and collaborative synchronous presentation >>solutions in a totally Web-based environment. For more information about >>HorizonLive, please see our website at http://www.horizonlive.com/ >> >>Starting in the background, see the log file for errors and other messages. >> >>Here's where I experience problems: >> >>When I run vncviewer localhost:99 and enter "teacheruser". The connection >>drops with the following error: >> >>Thu Jan 20 16:01:35 2005 >> CConn: connected to host localhost port 5999 >> CConnection: Server supports RFB protocol version 3.3 >> CConnection: Using RFB protocol version 3.3 >> >>Thu Jan 20 16:01:38 2005 >> main: End of stream >> >>There is an "End of stream" message. I have verified that the password is >>correct, as when I type in the wrong password, I clearly get an >>authentication error message. >> >>I have verified that vncserver is running, because when I type in >>vncviewer localhost:1 I get a connection to the login screen. >> >>I can also verify that when I launch vncreflector, it connects to the VNC >>session because of the following log entries: >> >>20/01/05 15:59:57 + Starting VNC Reflector 1.2.4 >>20/01/05 15:59:57 - Switched to the background mode >>20/01/05 15:59:57 * Using only 8 first bytes of a longer password >>20/01/05 15:59:57 * Host password not specified, assuming no auth >>20/01/05 15:59:57 + Connecting to localhost, port 5901 >>20/01/05 15:59:57 + Connection established >>20/01/05 15:59:58 - Remote RFB Protocol version is 3.8 >>20/01/05 15:59:58 * Protocol sub-version does not match (ignoring) >>20/01/05 15:59:58 + No authentication required at host side >>20/01/05 15:59:58 + Remote desktop geometry is 800x600 >>20/01/05 15:59:58 - Remote desktop name: x11 >>20/01/05 15:59:58 + Activating new host connection >> >>Just to see if there is a VNC connection issue with LTSP, I changed the >>host file to point to a PC with VNC Server on it, and the results were >>exactly the same.. confirming that it happens with all vnc servers I try >>to connect to. >> >>Maybe I'm missing something? Does anyone have any ideas? >> >>Thanks! >> >>Alan Owen >>Hermon School District >>Hermon, ME >> >> >> From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Jan 21 14:27:49 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 09:27:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC Reflector Not Working In-Reply-To: <200501211107.j0LB7aE22139@downeast.net> References: <200501211107.j0LB7aE22139@downeast.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, January 21, 2005 at 7:04 AM +0000 wrote: >why not pop into #ltsp on freenode.net. a couple of us been wrestling with >it this week..cliebow I haven't had time to work on it, but I too am having the same problem....not sure what it is, but I'm guessing something in the way things are auth'd has changed since RH 9 when I wrote the initial how-to David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Jan 21 14:29:56 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 09:29:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC Reflector Not Working In-Reply-To: <41F10766.1030609@earthlink.net> References: <200501211107.j0LB7aE22139@downeast.net> <41F10766.1030609@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Once we get VNCReflector working the TeacherTool piece should be easy....it simply launches the vncviewer for everyone...that's all. "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, January 21, 2005 at 8:45 AM +0000 wrote: >Hello! > >Yes come join us on IRC, I have been trying to get this to work and have >been logging into #ltsp (thank you cliebow for helping). I would really >like to get it to work, but take it one step further, I'd like it to >work with TeacherTool. Hope to see you on the IRC guys. I probably won't >be there today, I'm over-budget on my time, but will be in Monday. > >BTW, I wonder if these instructions were written for an installation >that used vnc running under xinetd?Could this have anything to do with >it? At some point this week I (with much help) had it working somehow >but I got a new instance of a desktop instead of connecting to the >teacherdemo desktop. Cliebow said there was a howto that rjune wrote on >vnc and xinetd. I went looking for that this morning. Didn't find that >howto, but did find some stuff on both wiki's about vnc and xinetd. It >seems to me that what vnc is designed to do under xinetd -- is to give >each user from whatever type of system an ltsp desktop so they can use >an application on the terminal server. > >I am very confused. Maybe I shouldn't have tried to explain my state of >confusion. > >Rita Gibson >RMSELTech David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From big at santaz.dk Fri Jan 21 14:33:48 2005 From: big at santaz.dk (Jesper Berth) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:33:48 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] How do i delete all users cached webpages In-Reply-To: <20050121094749.GX13775@wizzy.com> References: <1106226654.7678.6.camel@bigsanta.berthit> <41EFD3BE.10909@parkrose.k12.or.us> <1106247101.9180.11.camel@bigsanta.berthit> <20050121094749.GX13775@wizzy.com> Message-ID: <1106318028.7872.2.camel@bigsanta.berthit> fre, 21 01 2005 kl. 11:47 +0200, skrev Andy Rabagliati: > On Thu, 20 Jan 2005, Jesper Berth wrote: > > > Thanks it worked just removed ~1.5Gb Cached files, that will result in a > > faster backup :-) > > I put this in /usr/lib/*/mozilla.cfg (suitably munged with moz-byteshift.pl) :- > > lockPref("browser.cache.disk.capacity", 0); > lockPref("browser.cache.enable",false); > > Cheers, Andy! Year had an idea about that :-) Thanks Jesper > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Jesper Berth From big at santaz.dk Fri Jan 21 14:35:49 2005 From: big at santaz.dk (Jesper Berth) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:35:49 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Locking down Mozilla and FireFox Preferences In-Reply-To: <1106307580.21367.58.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> References: <1106307580.21367.58.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> Message-ID: <1106318149.7868.5.camel@bigsanta.berthit> fre, 21 01 2005 kl. 07:39 -0400, skrev Timothy Legge: > Hi All > > Based on Andy Rabagliati's post about lockpref I found some great > documents on how to lock down browser preferences. You may have are > read seen the LTSP Mozilla Lockdown HOWTO which basically tells you how > to set the same preferences for all users: > > http://togami.com/~warren/guides/mozlockdown/ > > The message at: > > http://lists.suse.com/archives/suse-linux-e/2004-Jul/2868.html > > documents how to lock preferences. In particular it deals with locking > the browser into a particular proxy which would be great for filtering. > > I am sure there are more uses, but I plan to implement some of this very > soon... I have a squid proxy running on the netserver, and i use iptables to force alle http trafic thru squid .. i can find the script if you would like it Jesper > Tim > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Jesper Berth From mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us Fri Jan 21 14:44:46 2005 From: mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us (mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 09:44:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] yum update problem Message-ID: <32795.192.168.0.54.1106318686.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> Today I have a problem doing a yum update to a samba server created using K12LTSP 4.2. I tracked it down to wireless-tools.i386. Below is the output. Any help would be appreciated. Mark Orenstein East Granby, CT School System [root at bhssrv01 ~]# yum update wireless-tools.i386 Setting up Update Process Setting up Repo: k12ltsp repomd.xml 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 Setting up Repo: base repomd.xml 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 Setting up Repo: updates-released repomd.xml 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 Reading repository metadata in from local files k12ltsp : ################################################## 2088/2088 base : ################################################## 2622/2622 primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 217 kB 00:02 MD Read : ################################################## 528/528 updates-re: ################################################## 528/528 Resolving Dependencies --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. ---> Package wireless-tools.i386 1:28-0.pre4.1.fc3 set to be updated --> Running transaction check --> Processing Dependency: libiw.so.27 for package: NetworkManager --> Restarting Dependency Resolution with new changes. --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. ---> Package wireless-tools.i386 1:27-0.pre25.2 set to be updated --> Running transaction check Dependencies Resolved Transaction Listing: Update: wireless-tools.i386 1:28-0.pre4.1.fc3 Performing the following to resolve dependencies: Update: wireless-tools.i386 1:27-0.pre25.2 Is this ok [y/N]:y Downloading Packages: Running Transaction Test Finished Transaction Test Transaction Check Error: file /sbin/ifrename conflicts between attempted installs of wireless-tools-27-0.pre25.2 and wireless-tools-28-0.pre4.1.fc3 file /sbin/iwconfig conflicts between attempted installs of wireless-tools-27-0.pre25.2 and wireless-tools-28-0.pre4.1.fc3 file /sbin/iwevent conflicts between attempted installs of wireless-tools-27-0.pre25.2 and wireless-tools-28-0.pre4.1.fc3 file /sbin/iwgetid conflicts between attempted installs of wireless-tools-27-0.pre25.2 and wireless-tools-28-0.pre4.1.fc3 file /sbin/iwlist conflicts between attempted installs of wireless-tools-27-0.pre25.2 and wireless-tools-28-0.pre4.1.fc3 file /sbin/iwpriv conflicts between attempted installs of wireless-tools-27-0.pre25.2 and wireless-tools-28-0.pre4.1.fc3 file /sbin/iwspy conflicts between attempted installs of wireless-tools-27-0.pre25.2 and wireless-tools-28-0.pre4.1.fc3 file /usr/include/iwlib.h conflicts between attempted installs of wireless-tools-27-0.pre25.2 and wireless-tools-28-0.pre4.1.fc3 file /usr/include/wireless.h conflicts between attempted installs of wireless-tools-27-0.pre25.2 and wireless-tools-28-0.pre4.1.fc3 file /usr/lib/libiw.so conflicts between attempted installs of wireless-tools-27-0.pre25.2 and wireless-tools-28-0.pre4.1.fc3 file /usr/share/man/man5/iftab.5.gz conflicts between attempted installs of wireless-tools-27-0.pre25.2 and wireless-tools-28-0.pre4.1.fc3 file /usr/share/man/man8/ifrename.8.gz conflicts between attempted installs of wireless-tools-27-0.pre25.2 and wireless-tools-28-0.pre4.1.fc3 file /usr/share/man/man8/iwconfig.8.gz conflicts between attempted installs of wireless-tools-27-0.pre25.2 and wireless-tools-28-0.pre4.1.fc3 file /usr/share/man/man8/iwevent.8.gz conflicts between attempted installs of wireless-tools-27-0.pre25.2 and wireless-tools-28-0.pre4.1.fc3 file /usr/share/man/man8/iwgetid.8.gz conflicts between attempted installs of wireless-tools-27-0.pre25.2 and wireless-tools-28-0.pre4.1.fc3 file /usr/share/man/man8/iwspy.8.gz conflicts between attempted installs of wireless-tools-27-0.pre25.2 and wireless-tools-28-0.pre4.1.fc3 [root at bhssrv01 ~]# yum list updates Setting up Repo: k12ltsp repomd.xml 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 Setting up Repo: base repomd.xml 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 Setting up Repo: updates-released repomd.xml 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 Reading repository metadata in from local files k12ltsp : ################################################## 2088/2088 base : ################################################## 2622/2622 updates-re: ################################################## 564/564 Updated Packages wireless-tools.i386 1:28-0.pre4.1.fc3 k12ltsp [root at bhssrv01 ~]# From andyr at wizzy.com Fri Jan 21 14:47:29 2005 From: andyr at wizzy.com (Andy Rabagliati) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:47:29 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Locking down Mozilla and FireFox Preferencesa In-Reply-To: <1106307580.21367.58.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> References: <1106307580.21367.58.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> Message-ID: <20050121144729.GA5042@wizzy.com> On Fri, 21 Jan 2005, Timothy Legge wrote: > Hi All > > Based on Andy Rabagliati's post about lockpref I found some great > documents on how to lock down browser preferences. You may have are > read seen the LTSP Mozilla Lockdown HOWTO which basically tells you how > to set the same preferences for all users: > > http://togami.com/~warren/guides/mozlockdown/ > > The message at: > > http://lists.suse.com/archives/suse-linux-e/2004-Jul/2868.html I attach the script I use. all.js seems to move around a bit, so it may need tweaking. It takes a single parameter - the proxy and home page (assumed the same). Cheers, Andy! -------------- next part -------------- #!/usr/bin/perl # lock down browser homepage and proxy settings # Andy Rabagliati # http://wizzy.org.za/ use encoding 'latin1'; use strict; sub usage() { print "Usage: $0 \n"; exit 1; } usage() if (@ARGV != 1); my $hostname = $ARGV[0]; # Byteshifting program for mozilla's netscape.cfg files # Old netscape 4.x uses a bytechift of 7 # To decode: moz-byteshift.pl -s -7 netscape.cfg.txt # To encode: moz-byteshift.pl -s 7 netscape.cfg # Mozilla uses a byteshift of 13 # To decode: moz-byteshift.pl -s -13 netscape.cfg.txt # To encode: moz-byteshift.pl -s 13 netscape.cfg # To activate the netscape.cfg file, place the encoded netscape.cfg file # into your C:\Program Files\mozilla.org\Mozilla directory. # Then add the following line to your # C:\Program Files\mozilla.org\Mozilla\defaults\pref\all.js file : # pref("general.config.filename", "mozilla.cfg"); my $buffer; my $mozillacfg; while ($_ = ) { $_ =~ s/_WIZZY_HOSTNAME_/$hostname/g; $buffer .= $_; } # lazy - but chop is convenient $buffer = reverse ($buffer); binmode(STDOUT, ":raw"); while(length($buffer)) { my $byte = ord(chop($buffer)); $byte += 512 + 13; $mozillacfg .= pack("c", $byte); } # calling all browsers .. my @all = glob("/usr/lib/*/defaults/pref/all.js"); for my $f (@all) { # read in file, skipping anything that mentions general.config.filename open(FILE, $f) || die "Cannot read $f: $!"; undef ($buffer); while ($_ = ) { if ($_ !~ /general.config.filename/) { $buffer .= $_; } } close (FILE); # add our version of general.config.filename $buffer .= 'pref("general.config.filename","mozilla.cfg");//WIZZY' . "\n"; # write it out again open (FILE, "> $f") || die "Cannot write to $f: $!"; print FILE $buffer; close (FILE); # get path to mozilla.cfg $f =~ s:defaults/pref/all.js::; $f .= 'mozilla.cfg'; # write it open (FILE, "> $f") || die "Cannot write to $f: $!"; print FILE $mozillacfg; close (FILE); } __DATA__ // Wizzy mozilla defaults lockdown for _WIZZY_HOSTNAME_ lockPref("browser.cache.disk.capacity", 0); defaultPref("security.warn_entering_secure", false); defaultPref("security.warn_submit_insecure", false); lockPref("browser.cache.enable",false); lockPref("network.proxy.type",1); lockPref("network.proxy.ftp","_WIZZY_HOSTNAME_"); lockPref("network.proxy.ftp_port",8080); lockPref("network.proxy.http","_WIZZY_HOSTNAME_"); lockPref("network.proxy.http_port",8080); lockPref("network.proxy.ssl","_WIZZY_HOSTNAME_"); lockPref("network.proxy.ssl_port",8080); lockPref("browser.startup.homepage","http://_WIZZY_HOSTNAME_/"); From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Jan 21 15:15:43 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 09:15:43 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Eureka! Samba/LDAP is a piece of cake to set up now! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002401c4ffcc$13488eb0$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> > Wondering what a Samba/LDAP server is? A centralized point > of authentication regardless of OS. In my school...all my > users live on the Samba/LDAP server and all the other servers > authenticate to the Samba/LDAP server. All user home > directories and profiles are accessible regardless of > platform....Windows, Linux, OS X....all work fine. Adding a > server to the network? No problem...simply point it to the > Samba/LDAP server and away you go! Samba handles the Windows > side of things and LDAP handles the rest....very cool! Does this basically set up the box to be a PDC then for the Windows machines? So to authenticate my windows boxes I would set them to a domain and point them here. Once completed do the /home directories automatically mount on the clients upon login or do users still have to manually browse the network for these and mount them? Thanks for the work on this guys. I will be making very heavy use of this during the summer months. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dahopkins at comcast.net Fri Jan 21 15:59:46 2005 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:59:46 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Eureka! Samba/LDAP is a piece of cake to set up now! Message-ID: <012120051559.23611.41F126F20002882400005C3B22007354469C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> This is great. I already have LDAP/Samba 2.2.x, and would love to use this to bring a second LDAP server online. But I have been dreading the Samba 2 - 3 migration. Have you tested using it to bring in a second LDAP server into a network that already has an operational LDAP setup? Sincerely, Dave Hopkins > Hello everyone! > > This is sooooo cooool! Many folks have struggled over the past 2 years > to get Samba/LDAP servers up and running based on the how-to I had posted > on my site (along with other how-to's as well). Steve Kossakoski of SAU > 16 in Exeter, NH had the vision of putting the whole thing into a script > and brought a talented programmer into the fold to help put the idea into > practice. With Matt Oquist doing the code...Art Reardon, Tech director of > SAU 16, doing the testing, and myself doing testing and the > documentation....we have managed to pull together an awesome Samba/LDAP > installer package that makes installing Samba/LDAP on your server a > practically idiot-proof process. In fact, I encourage you to see for > yourself! You can see the how-to doc online at > > http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/smbldap/index.htm > > Once there click one of the links at the top to download the > smbldap-installer package. Simply untar the package and the run the > script! It is primarily designed at this point to run on FC3 or K12LTSP > 4.2. Set up a sandbox and give it a whirl....I think you'll be astounded > as to how easy it is to set up! Simply answer a few easy questions and > the script sets everything up for you....including running authconfig and > setting up an export of /home (should you say so). Also included are some > VERY cool scripts for creating usernames and adding users in bulk to the > server. In fact, with a little planning it could very well be the easiest > user creation you've ever done! All of the user creation scripts are > explained in detail near the end of the how-to. Check it out....let us > know how it works for you! I can honestly say...I had a fully functional > Samba/LDAP server up and running with users added in less than 20 mins. > (not including the install of the OS) Wheeeee! Very special thanks to > Matt for his awesome coding skills......and to Steve and Art for thier > support, vision, and testing. You all ROCK! > > PS....if you do not have all the necessary files installed...the script > will prompt you for the CD and install the rpms for you! :-) See? I > told you it was easy! > > Wondering what a Samba/LDAP server is? A centralized point of > authentication regardless of OS. In my school...all my users live on the > Samba/LDAP server and all the other servers authenticate to the Samba/LDAP > server. All user home directories and profiles are accessible regardless > of platform....Windows, Linux, OS X....all work fine. Adding a server to > the network? No problem...simply point it to the Samba/LDAP server and > away you go! Samba handles the Windows side of things and LDAP handles > the rest....very cool! > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From carl at snarlnet.com Fri Jan 21 17:22:22 2005 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 09:22:22 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: yum update problem Message-ID: <41F13A4E.60901@snarlnet.com> Do you need wireless tools? I had the same problem, I ran "yum remove wireless-tools" and then the "yum update" ran just fine. I'm not running anything wireless, so I assumed it would be fine to remove the tools. Obviously, your sitch might be different. If you need the tools you could remove them, run the update, then reinstall them and see if that clears stuff up. >Today I have a problem doing a yum update to a samba server created using >K12LTSP 4.2. I tracked it down to wireless-tools.i386. Below is the >output. Any help would be appreciated. > Mark Orenstein > East Granby, CT School System From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Jan 21 17:43:20 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 12:43:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Eureka! Samba/LDAP is a piece of cake to set up now! In-Reply-To: <002401c4ffcc$13488eb0$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <002401c4ffcc$13488eb0$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, January 21, 2005 at 10:15 AM +0000 wrote: >Does this basically set up the box to be a PDC then for the Windows >machines? So to authenticate my windows boxes I would set them to a >domain and point them here. Yes....simply join them to the domain. If using roaming profiles....they end up in /opt/samba/profiles/"username" I usually also map the users home directory to a drive letter using the login script "startup.bat" (as per the directions) > > >Once completed do the /home directories automatically mount on the >clients upon login or do users still have to manually browse the network >for these and mount them? See above....use the login script to map the drive autmatically On a linux box...such as K12LTSP....the home directory is mounted via NFS....so it's transparent to both you and the end user > >Thanks for the work on this guys. I will be making very heavy use of >this during the summer months. I have to admit...I run a mixed Windows XP Pro (with roaming profiles) network...along with K12LTSP and Mac OS X.....it's very nice to have "many doors into the same room" David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Jan 21 17:43:20 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 12:43:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Eureka! Samba/LDAP is a piece of cake to set up now! In-Reply-To: <002401c4ffcc$13488eb0$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <002401c4ffcc$13488eb0$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, January 21, 2005 at 10:15 AM +0000 wrote: >Does this basically set up the box to be a PDC then for the Windows >machines? So to authenticate my windows boxes I would set them to a >domain and point them here. Yes....simply join them to the domain. If using roaming profiles....they end up in /opt/samba/profiles/"username" I usually also map the users home directory to a drive letter using the login script "startup.bat" (as per the directions) > > >Once completed do the /home directories automatically mount on the >clients upon login or do users still have to manually browse the network >for these and mount them? See above....use the login script to map the drive autmatically On a linux box...such as K12LTSP....the home directory is mounted via NFS....so it's transparent to both you and the end user > >Thanks for the work on this guys. I will be making very heavy use of >this during the summer months. I have to admit...I run a mixed Windows XP Pro (with roaming profiles) network...along with K12LTSP and Mac OS X.....it's very nice to have "many doors into the same room" David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From lsrpm at mts.net Fri Jan 21 17:34:38 2005 From: lsrpm at mts.net (Liam Marshall) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:34:38 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Exam Generator Programs Message-ID: <41F13D2E.3080302@mts.net> The only two programs currently keeping me from switching my laptop to a dedicated Linux machine instead of dual booting is a program called Markbook, by Assylum software, for keeping track of student marks, and ExamView Pro Test Generator , which gives you the ability to keep "Question Banks" and then generate quizzes/tests from the question banks. I have yet to discover a good Linux alternative for either of these programs. The Markbook program issue I can sidestep because it also comes in a Mac flavour and I have a single Mac available for graphic ad work etc. The test generator I would like to find an alternative to because it would allow me to be much more homogeneous environment in the lab, and I could take my laptop home and mark assignments in 1 OS, and not have to switch/dual boot it Anyone have options for me? Thanks in advance From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Jan 21 17:47:58 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 12:47:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Eureka! Samba/LDAP is a piece of cake to set up now! In-Reply-To: <012120051559.23611.41F126F20002882400005C3B22007354469C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> References: <012120051559.23611.41F126F20002882400005C3B22007354469C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, January 21, 2005 at 10:59 AM +0000 wrote: >Have you tested using it to bring in a second LDAP server into a network >that already has an operational LDAP setup? No and I must say that I had to completely rewrite my how-to last spring due to the migration from Samba 2.x to Samba 3. In fact, I spent many weeks trying to "cross-reference" my old how-to for use in doing my new set up on Samba 3. The schemas are quite different....I eventually said "screw it" and started from scratch again....once I did that and let go of the older methods and thought processes I was able to progress quite quickly. Basically what I'm saying is that it may work for you, but it may also simply be more practical to switch everything over to Samba 3. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Jan 21 17:46:30 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 09:46:30 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Exam Generator Programs In-Reply-To: <41F13D2E.3080302@mts.net> References: <41F13D2E.3080302@mts.net> Message-ID: <41F13FF6.7050208@paasda.org> quizomatic 76.... I dl'd...it's a php deal...it doesn't automagically make the exam from a bank of questions..but with a little tweaking by some php guru out there I'm sure it could. it does allow the students to take the quiz/exam online...and autograde it and report their grade =) --Huck Liam Marshall wrote: > The only two programs currently keeping me from switching my laptop to > a dedicated Linux machine instead of dual booting is a program called > Markbook, by Assylum software, for keeping track of student marks, and > ExamView Pro Test Generator , which gives you the ability to keep > "Question Banks" and then generate quizzes/tests from the question banks. > > I have yet to discover a good Linux alternative for either of these > programs. The Markbook program issue I can sidestep because it also > comes in a Mac flavour and I have a single Mac available for graphic > ad work etc. > > The test generator I would like to find an alternative to because it > would allow me to be much more homogeneous environment in the lab, and > I could take my laptop home and mark assignments in 1 OS, and not have > to switch/dual boot it > > Anyone have options for me? > > Thanks in advance > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From robowens at myway.com Fri Jan 21 17:47:12 2005 From: robowens at myway.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 12:47:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Exam Generator Programs Message-ID: <20050121174712.5A45D399D@mprdmxin.myway.com> I'm sure you've thought of it already, but you could try running those programs under wine. Or you could try Crossover Office. They offer a full-featured trial download (30 days). http://www.codeweavers.com -Rob --- On Fri 01/21, Liam Marshall < lsrpm at mts.net > wrote: From: Liam Marshall [mailto: lsrpm at mts.net] To: k12osn at redhat.com Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:34:38 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Exam Generator Programs The only two programs currently keeping me from switching my laptop to a
dedicated Linux machine instead of dual booting is a program called
Markbook, by Assylum software, for keeping track of student marks, and
ExamView Pro Test Generator , which gives you the ability to keep
"Question Banks" and then generate quizzes/tests from the question banks.

I have yet to discover a good Linux alternative for either of these
programs. The Markbook program issue I can sidestep because it also
comes in a Mac flavour and I have a single Mac available for graphic ad
work etc.

The test generator I would like to find an alternative to because it
would allow me to be much more homogeneous environment in the lab, and I
could take my laptop home and mark assignments in 1 OS, and not have to
switch/dual boot it

Anyone have options for me?

Thanks in advance

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_______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From lsrpm at mts.net Sat Jan 22 17:55:48 2005 From: lsrpm at mts.net (Liam Marshall) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:55:48 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Exam Generator Programs In-Reply-To: <20050121174712.5A45D399D@mprdmxin.myway.com> References: <20050121174712.5A45D399D@mprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <41F293A4.4040303@mts.net> Rob Owens wrote: >I'm sure you've thought of it already, but you could try running those programs under wine. Or you could try Crossover Office. They offer a full-featured trial download (30 days). http://www.codeweavers.com > >-Rob > > > > > snip..... true, I could, but that would be admitting that I could not live without a Microsoft product, and I just hate to give the evil empire anything the easy way! ;) From ascensiontech at gmail.com Fri Jan 21 18:50:21 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Ascension Tech) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:50:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] kidspiration and wine Message-ID: <9bd317560501211050b5740ff@mail.gmail.com> Hey, This might be a general wine question. I have problem using kidspiration under wine. The blue background appears in the foreground covering the gui. Has anyone had this type of problem. Once and awhile it'll happen on XP so maybe it's a *feature*. Alternatively, does anyone know off the top if this runs on Server 2003? I have it installed on a demo machine running 2000 Advanced Sever. But it appears this version doesn't support sound. Thanks, Peter From mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us Fri Jan 21 19:14:05 2005 From: mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us (mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:14:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] yum update webmin public key not available In-Reply-To: <9bd317560501211050b5740ff@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd317560501211050b5740ff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <32854.192.168.0.54.1106334845.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> When I issue "yum install webmin", I get a "public key not available" message. Help. I have done a rpm --import /usr/..... Mark Orenstein East Granby, CT School System [root at bhssrv01 ~]# yum install webmin Setting up Install Process Setting up Repo: k12ltsp repomd.xml 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 Setting up Repo: base repomd.xml 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 Setting up Repo: updates-released repomd.xml 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 Reading repository metadata in from local files k12ltsp : ################################################## 2088/2088 base : ################################################## 2622/2622 primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 231 kB 00:01 MD Read : ################################################## 569/569 updates-re: ################################################## 569/569 Resolving Dependencies --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. ---> Package webmin.noarch 0:1.170-1 set to be installed --> Running transaction check Dependencies Resolved Transaction Listing: Install: webmin.noarch 0:1.170-1 Is this ok [y/N]: y Downloading Packages: warning: rpmts_HdrFromFdno: V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID 11f63c51 public key not available for //var/cache/yum/k12ltsp/packages/webmin-1.170-1.noarch.rpm [root at bhssrv01 ~]# man yum [root at bhssrv01 ~]# yum list webmin Setting up Repo: k12ltsp repomd.xml 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 Setting up Repo: base repomd.xml 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 Setting up Repo: updates-released repomd.xml 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 Reading repository metadata in from local files k12ltsp : ################################################## 2088/2088 base : ################################################## 2622/2622 primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 228 kB 00:01 MD Read : ################################################## 564/564 updates-re: ################################################## 564/564 Available Packages webmin.noarch 1.170-1 k12ltsp [root at bhssrv01 ~]# From dahopkins at comcast.net Fri Jan 21 19:18:28 2005 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 19:18:28 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Eureka! Samba/LDAP is a piece of cake to set up now! Message-ID: <012120051918.22294.41F155840005B4500000571622007589429C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Friday, January 21, 2005 at 10:59 AM +0000 wrote: > >Have you tested using it to bring in a second LDAP server into a network > >that already has an operational LDAP setup? > > > No and I must say that I had to completely rewrite my how-to last spring > due to the migration from Samba 2.x to Samba 3. In fact, I spent many > weeks trying to "cross-reference" my old how-to for use in doing my new > set up on Samba 3. The schemas are quite different.... > Basically what I'm saying is that it may work for you, but it > may also simply be more practical to switch everything over to Samba 3. I have been putting off the migration since I can't afford to lose the existing accounts, especially mid-year. I want to create a new LDAP/Samba 3 server and then 'just' move the LDAP database over. Looks like a project for the early summer when I will have time to recover if something flakes. Thanks for the script, it should make this alot simpler to do in any event. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins From robark at telus.net Fri Jan 21 19:27:53 2005 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:27:53 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Exam Generator Programs In-Reply-To: <41F13D2E.3080302@mts.net> References: <41F13D2E.3080302@mts.net> Message-ID: <1106335673.41f157b91fb0e@webmail.telus.net> Quoting Liam Marshall : > > Anyone have options for me? > Well there is Keduca for tests. But if you want everything plus the kitchen sink look into Moodle (moodle.org). Check out the documentation -> Quiz module. It runs on a LAMP box. There is step-by-step directions to install on Redhat distro under docs-administration-apache,mysql,php Robert Arkiletian From rmccue at law.uvic.ca Fri Jan 21 21:27:23 2005 From: rmccue at law.uvic.ca (Rich McCue) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:27:23 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] IBM NetVita Thin Client Question... In-Reply-To: <20050121191423.75CE873E40@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20050121132724198.00000000904@r171-rich> I was wondering if anyone out there has had any experience with "IBM NetVista Thin Client N2800 Net Station 8364" units? Specifically, will they boot to a K12LTSP server? I see them on Ebay periodically, but don't want to spend the cash if they will not work. Thanks in advance. Rich McCue Systems Administrator UVic Faculty of Law www.law.uvic.ca (250) 472-4716 P.S. I can't wait to try out the Samba/LDAP script tonight on my home server! From haynest at mchsi.com Fri Jan 21 21:44:05 2005 From: haynest at mchsi.com (Thomas E. Haynes) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:44:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Exam Generator Programs In-Reply-To: <1106335673.41f157b91fb0e@webmail.telus.net> Message-ID: <200501212215.j0LMFJdl002496@mx3.redhat.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Robert Arkiletian > Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 2:28 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools.; Liam Marshall > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Exam Generator Programs > > Quoting Liam Marshall : > > > > > Anyone have options for me? I used to use Hot Potatoes. Moodle is the "one true way," but it has a lot of function there if you only want to use it for quizzing. I really like Moodle. Regards... Tom Hayne From mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us Fri Jan 21 22:16:13 2005 From: mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us (mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:16:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] yum update webmin public key not available In-Reply-To: <32854.192.168.0.54.1106334845.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> References: <9bd317560501211050b5740ff@mail.gmail.com> <32854.192.168.0.54.1106334845.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> Message-ID: <1178.24.2.210.202.1106345773.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> Found a solution from Eric in a July posting. rpm --import ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/GPG-keys/webmin.asc Mark Orenstein East Granby, CT School System > > When I issue "yum install webmin", I get a "public key not available" > message. Help. I have done a rpm --import /usr/..... > > Mark Orenstein > East Granby, CT School System > > > > [root at bhssrv01 ~]# yum install webmin > Setting up Install Process > Setting up Repo: k12ltsp > repomd.xml 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 > Setting up Repo: base > repomd.xml 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 > Setting up Repo: updates-released > repomd.xml 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 > Reading repository metadata in from local files > k12ltsp : ################################################## 2088/2088 > base : ################################################## 2622/2622 > primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 231 kB 00:01 > MD Read : ################################################## 569/569 > updates-re: ################################################## 569/569 > Resolving Dependencies > --> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait. > ---> Package webmin.noarch 0:1.170-1 set to be installed > --> Running transaction check > > Dependencies Resolved > Transaction Listing: > Install: webmin.noarch 0:1.170-1 > Is this ok [y/N]: y > Downloading Packages: > warning: rpmts_HdrFromFdno: V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID 11f63c51 > public key not available for > //var/cache/yum/k12ltsp/packages/webmin-1.170-1.noarch.rpm > [root at bhssrv01 ~]# man yum > [root at bhssrv01 ~]# yum list webmin > Setting up Repo: k12ltsp > repomd.xml 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 > Setting up Repo: base > repomd.xml 100% |=========================| 1.1 kB 00:00 > Setting up Repo: updates-released > repomd.xml 100% |=========================| 951 B 00:00 > Reading repository metadata in from local files > k12ltsp : ################################################## 2088/2088 > base : ################################################## 2622/2622 > primary.xml.gz 100% |=========================| 228 kB 00:01 > MD Read : ################################################## 564/564 > updates-re: ################################################## 564/564 > Available Packages > webmin.noarch 1.170-1 k12ltsp > [root at bhssrv01 ~]# > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From johnny at msad41.us Sat Jan 22 00:04:25 2005 From: johnny at msad41.us (John T. Leonard) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 19:04:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] IBM NetVita Thin Client Question... In-Reply-To: <20050121132724198.00000000904@r171-rich> References: <20050121132724198.00000000904@r171-rich> Message-ID: <1106352265.41f198894a43c@msad41.us> Quoting Rich McCue : > I was wondering if anyone out there has had any experience with "IBM NetVista > Thin Client N2800 Net Station 8364" units? Specifically, will they boot to a > K12LTSP server? I see them on Ebay periodically, but don't want to spend the > cash if they will not work. > > Thanks in advance. > > Rich McCue > Systems Administrator > UVic Faculty of Law > www.law.uvic.ca > (250) 472-4716 > > P.S. I can't wait to try out the Samba/LDAP script tonight on my home > server! > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > Hi Rich.... I have about 65 units in operation in two different labs and our media center. They work fine once you get the correct bios booting on them. I bought all of ours used or refurbed and the only problem I've had is one switch on one of the units. They have only one moving part and that is a small power supply fan. I actually prefer that rather than an external transformer. Some of the pluses are that they will take up to 256 mb of memory, they have a 40 pin IDE connector inside, 2 PCI slots so that even if you get the token ring model you can stick in a NIC from DWS (plug for Jim M) and away they go..they have sound and USB and front plugs for headphones...and lastly they have a flash memory card slot....I've averaged about $50 delivered so even if they blow up you're not out too much....Hope that helps a little.... John John T. Leonard Technology Coordinator MSAD No. 41 Penquis Valley HS/MS 48 Penquis Drive Milo, Maine 04463 Ph:207-943-7346 Ext.211 Ph:207-943-5332 Fax:207-943-0962 From ddaniels at magic.fr Sat Jan 22 00:51:53 2005 From: ddaniels at magic.fr (Dennis Daniels) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:51:53 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Exam Generator Programs In-Reply-To: <200501212215.j0LMFJdl002496@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200501212215.j0LMFJdl002496@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <41F1A3A9.3090207@magic.fr> I use it as well. I'd be lost without it. Though the quizzing interface and the db for sorting questions is still kind of limited I use moodle on a daily basis. dgd Thomas E. Haynes wrote: > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com >>[mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Robert Arkiletian >>Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 2:28 PM >>To: Support list for opensource software in schools.; Liam Marshall >>Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Exam Generator Programs >> >>Quoting Liam Marshall : >> >> >>>Anyone have options for me? > > > I used to use Hot Potatoes. > > Moodle is the "one true way," but it has a lot of function there if you only > want to use it for quizzing. I really like Moodle. > > Regards... Tom Hayne > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- Lost and found here: http://dennisgdaniels.com/ and here irc://freenode/tikiwiki From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sat Jan 22 04:31:21 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 23:31:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Eureka! Samba/LDAP is a piece of cake to set up now! In-Reply-To: <012120051918.22294.41F155840005B4500000571622007589429C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> References: <012120051918.22294.41F155840005B4500000571622007589429C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Message-ID: dahopkins at comcast.net on Friday, January 21, 2005 at 2:18 PM +0000 wrote: >I have been putting off the migration since I can't afford to lose the >existing accounts, especially mid-year. I want to create a new >LDAP/Samba 3 server and then 'just' move the LDAP database over. Looks >like a project for the early summer when I will have time to recover if >something flakes. Thanks for the script, it should make this alot >simpler to do in any event. > >Sincerely, >Dave Hopkins First, agree....wait until summer or at least a vacation before tackling a migration. Second...depending on what your trying to save....it may be as simple as moving the home dirs for safekeeping. I had a crash earlier this year (I did something stupid), but was able to recover nicely....I tarred everything in /home (tar preserves permissions)....moved it to another machine....rebuilt the Samba/LDAP server....ran the create-users script....put the backed up home directories back....and them ran the create-users script again just to help make sure permissions were OK.....and we were back in business. I told everyone that their passwords were reset to a default one and for them to change them ASAP....they did and we lost no data. I also managed to backup all the stuff worth keeping in their Windows profiles as well. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sat Jan 22 05:33:03 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 00:33:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] IBM NetVita Thin Client Question... In-Reply-To: <20050121132724198.00000000904@r171-rich> References: <20050121132724198.00000000904@r171-rich> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, January 21, 2005 at 4:27 PM +0000 wrote: >I was wondering if anyone out there has had any experience with "IBM >NetVista Thin Client N2800 Net Station 8364" units? Specifically, will >they boot to a K12LTSP server? I see them on Ebay periodically, but >don't want to spend the cash if they will not work. > >Thanks in advance. > >Rich McCue >Systems Administrator >UVic Faculty of Law >www.law.uvic.ca >(250) 472-4716 > >P.S. I can't wait to try out the Samba/LDAP script tonight on my home >server! Let us know how the Samba/LDAP thing works out! Also...I know it's a haul, but if you're able to make it back East to the Linux conference in June we'd love to see you again! :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sat Jan 22 05:33:03 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 00:33:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] IBM NetVita Thin Client Question... In-Reply-To: <20050121132724198.00000000904@r171-rich> References: <20050121132724198.00000000904@r171-rich> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, January 21, 2005 at 4:27 PM +0000 wrote: >I was wondering if anyone out there has had any experience with "IBM >NetVista Thin Client N2800 Net Station 8364" units? Specifically, will >they boot to a K12LTSP server? I see them on Ebay periodically, but >don't want to spend the cash if they will not work. > >Thanks in advance. > >Rich McCue >Systems Administrator >UVic Faculty of Law >www.law.uvic.ca >(250) 472-4716 > >P.S. I can't wait to try out the Samba/LDAP script tonight on my home >server! Let us know how the Samba/LDAP thing works out! Also...I know it's a haul, but if you're able to make it back East to the Linux conference in June we'd love to see you again! :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From ascensiontech at gmail.com Sat Jan 22 05:28:49 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Ascension Tech) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 00:28:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] sound Message-ID: <9bd317560501212128451f715f@mail.gmail.com> On some terminals after logging in a second time the sound doesn't work. After a full reboot it's fine. Any ideas? I recognize the similarity to "doctor, it hurts when I do this." Doctor: "then don't do that." Still it would be nice not to have to reboot all the time. Thanks, Peter From stegil at hotmail.com Sat Jan 22 08:32:39 2005 From: stegil at hotmail.com (steve gilmore) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 01:32:39 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] making dvd iso Message-ID: Awhile back eric had a message about making a dvd with some command line statements. Further to this, I found and tried with success, a script that does it all for you. Works nicely. I was able to create a k12ltsp-4.2.0 dvd iso that was tested bootable. I don't have a new system to install yet. Download the script mkdvd-1.0 from here, http://www.iruntheinter.net/files/misc/. Create a directory that contains only the k12ltsp-4.2.0 iso disks (4-disks).If you don't already have installed mkisofs & anaconda-runtime, use apt-get to install them as the script will complain if not installed. Then : #./mkdvd-1.0 /k12ltsp-sourcedirectory/ /k12ltsp-targetdirectory/k12ltsp-4.2.0-dvd.iso Thats it, source & target could be the same.The script edits correctly the .discinfo file. SteveG _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement From brr at brr.no Sat Jan 22 09:22:05 2005 From: brr at brr.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= Roger Rasmussen) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 10:22:05 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Slow speed Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.2.20050122101937.045dca70@pop.domeneshop.no> Hello people! I run a K12LTSP 4.2.0 setup at one of the schools I have the computer responsibility for. The server is an old PC with the following configuration: - Intel P 4 1.6 GHz, 1 GB RAM, 80 GB IDE harddisk WD with 8 MB cache. 100 Mbit/s network. The server shall serve about 10 ? 15 thin client computers. The thin client computers are old computers with specifications running from Pentium 166 MHz with 64 MB RAM and better. Before I began to run K12LTSP I used Skolelinux (http://www.skolelinux.no/). The users at the school liked that solution, but it was a night mare for me to maintain the network. I did not get any complaint about the speed when I run Skolelinux. Now with K12LTSP as system the people at the school are complaining about the speed. High response time when they shall start or use normally programs etc. Where would you think is the biggest bottleneck in my setup? Should I have had a better server? Which parts of the server has the most importance for the speed at the thin clients? Bjorn Roger Rasmussen EDP employee - local government of Eigersund, Norway. *** Bj?rn Roger Rasmussen (http://www.brr.no/) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au Sat Jan 22 09:57:34 2005 From: debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au (debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:57:34 +1100 Subject: [K12OSN] password protect web dirs with htaccess? In-Reply-To: <646574B39C491E4D8573C54D35FFE52C058CAE@wsc-mail-01.intra.nwresd.k12.or.us> References: <646574B39C491E4D8573C54D35FFE52C058CAE@wsc-mail-01.intra.nwresd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1106387854.41f2238ea8acd@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> Hi All, I want to password protect some directories in /var/www/html/ for staff only. I've used .htaccess & .htpasswd files in the past using far-away host machines and FTP but never on my own linux box on an intranet. And it's not working, i.e. no pop up asking for a password, I can access the 'secure' directory. I have the .htaccess file in /var/www/html/staffonly/ and the .htpasswd file in /var/www/... is there something else I should know about the php.ini or other apache setting to make this all work? Thanks, Debbie (Back to school on Monday!!) -- http://www.redeemer.qld.edu.au/ From mark at tsd53.ca Sat Jan 22 10:01:21 2005 From: mark at tsd53.ca (Mark Raine) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 04:01:21 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] ssh agent stays running Message-ID: <20050122095325.M29299@tsd53.ca> Hello Using the new release of K12. The only issue seems to be that after a user logs off 2 processes stay running. They are ssh agent and I think the second is gconf2 ( writing from home so not sure of second process). If the user logs on 5 times there will be 5 sets of processes. Each is only a few meg but it adds up. It is an issue at all 4 locations. The users are using ice by default but the option for gnome is there. Thanks for any help Mark From shabbirh at raha.com Sat Jan 22 10:29:00 2005 From: shabbirh at raha.com (Shabbir R Hassanally) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 02:29:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] password protect web dirs with htaccess? In-Reply-To: <1106387854.41f2238ea8acd@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> Message-ID: <20050122102900.86924.qmail@web209.biz.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Debbie, You might find this information useful: --- http://www.freewebmasterhelp.com/tutorials/htaccess/3 --- Introduction Although there are many uses of the .htaccess file, by far the most popular, and probably most useful, is being able to relaibly password protect directories on websites. Although JavaScript etc. can also be used to do this, only .htaccess has total security (as someone must know the password to get into the directory, there are no 'back doors') The .htaccess File Adding password protection to a directory using .htaccess takes two stages. The first part is to add the appropriate lines to your .htaccess file in the directory you would like to protect. Everything below this directory will be password protected: AuthName "Section Name" AuthType Basic AuthUserFile /full/path/to/.htpasswd Require valid-user There are a few parts of this which you will need to change for your site. You should replace "Section Name" with the name of the part of the site you are protecting e.g. "Members Area". The /full/parth/to/.htpasswd should be changed to reflect the full server path to the .htpasswd file (more on this later). If you do not know what the full path to your webspace is, contact your system administrator for details. The .htpasswd File Password protecting a directory takes a little more work than any of the other .htaccess functions because you must also create a file to contain the usernames and passwords which are allowed to access the site. These should be placed in a file which (by default) should be called .htpasswd. Like the .htaccess file, this is a file with no name and an 8 letter extension. This can be placed anywhere within you website (as the passwords are encrypted) but it is advisable to store it outside the web root so that it is impossible to access it from the web. Entering Usernames And Passwords Once you have created your .htpasswd file (you can do this in a standard text editor) you must enter the usernames and passwords to access the site. They should be entered as follows: username:password where the password is the encrypted format of the password. To encrypt the password you will either need to use one of the premade scripts available on the web or write your own. There is a good username/password service at the KxS site which will allow you to enter the user name and password and will output it in the correct format. For multiple users, just add extra lines to your .htpasswd file in the same format as the first. There are even scripts available for free which will manage the .htpasswd file and will allow automatic adding/removing of users etc. Accessing The Site When you try to access a site which has been protected by .htaccess your browser will pop up a standard username/password dialog box. If you don't like this, there are certain scripts available which allow you to embed a username/password box in a website to do the authentication. You can also send the username and password (unencrypted) in the URL as follows: http://username:password at www.website.com/directory/ Summary .htaccess is one of the most useful files a webmaster can use. There are a wide variety of different uses for it which can save time and increase security on your website. --- http://www.freewebmasterhelp.com/tutorials/htaccess/3 --- The procudure should be pretty much the same - for your remote servers and for your intranet based servers - essentially under Apache, securing a directory is pretty much the same. The link below, will help you generate your .htpasswd file correctly: http://www.xs4all.nl/~remcovz/htpasswd.html >From what I can see, you seem to have everything in place as it should be, however, you might want to check your httpd.conf (Apache Configuration) file to be sure that the settings are as described in the article I've pasted. This link (from Yahoo Search - because Google is EVIL!! - see http://www.google-watch.org/) has a number of resources that you might find useful: http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=slv1-&p=.htaccess Let me know how you get on :) Warm Regards Shabbir --- debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au wrote: > Hi All, > > I want to password protect some directories in > /var/www/html/ for staff only. > I've used .htaccess & .htpasswd files in the past > using far-away host machines > and FTP but never on my own linux box on an > intranet. And it's not working, > i.e. no pop up asking for a password, I can access > the 'secure' directory. > > I have the .htaccess file in > /var/www/html/staffonly/ and the .htpasswd file in > /var/www/... is there something else I should know > about the php.ini or other > apache setting to make this all work? > > Thanks, > > Debbie > > (Back to school on Monday!!) > -- > http://www.redeemer.qld.edu.au/ > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ===== From cliebow at downeast.net Sat Jan 22 15:25:09 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:25:09 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Eureka! Samba/LDAP is a piece of cake to set up now! Message-ID: <200501221428.j0MESMY18292@downeast.net> davids..seem like an ideal spot for a sandbox...slapcat > somefile.ldf otter give you an ldif with all info..do the skeleton and ldapadd the ldif. my script cuts up users into staff and students then by one of six schools..then by year so the end of year cleanout is pretty easy..chuck > dahopkins at comcast.net on Friday, January 21, 2005 at 2:18 PM +0000 wrote: > >I have been putting off the migration since I can't afford to lose the > >existing accounts, especially mid-year. I want to create a new > >LDAP/Samba 3 server and then 'just' move the LDAP database over. Looks > >like a project for the early summer when I will have time to recover if > >something flakes. Thanks for the script, it should make this alot > >simpler to do in any event. > > > >Sincerely, > >Dave Hopkins > > First, agree....wait until summer or at least a vacation before tackling > a migration. Second...depending on what your trying to save....it may be > as simple as moving the home dirs for safekeeping. I had a crash earlier > this year (I did something stupid), but was able to recover nicely....I > tarred everything in /home (tar preserves permissions)....moved it to > another machine....rebuilt the Samba/LDAP server....ran the create-users > script....put the backed up home directories back....and them ran the > create-users script again just to help make sure permissions were > OK.....and we were back in business. I told everyone that their passwords > were reset to a default one and for them to change them ASAP....they did > and we lost no data. I also managed to backup all the stuff worth keeping > in their Windows profiles as well. > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From jkinz at kinz.org Sat Jan 22 15:37:25 2005 From: jkinz at kinz.org (Jeff Kinz) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 10:37:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Slow speed In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.2.20050122101937.045dca70@pop.domeneshop.no>; from brr@brr.no on Sat, Jan 22, 2005 at 10:22:05AM +0100 References: <6.2.0.14.2.20050122101937.045dca70@pop.domeneshop.no> Message-ID: <20050122103725.A13848@redline.comcast.net> On Sat, Jan 22, 2005 at 10:22:05AM +0100, Bj?rn Roger Rasmussen wrote: > Now with K12LTSP as system the people at the school are complaining about > the speed. High response time when they shall start or use normally > programs etc. > Before I began to run K12LTSP I used Skolelinux > school liked that solution, but it was a night mare for me to maintain the > network. I did not get any complaint about the speed when I run Skolelinux. Does this mean that you used to run all your systems with local hard drives? If so, then your current slowness problems is a result of either your network, or your server. > - Intel P 4 1.6 GHz, 1 GB RAM, 80 GB IDE harddisk WD with 8 MB cache. 100 > Mbit/s network. I suspect that since you have a 100 Mbit network, assuming all the thin clients are using 100 Mbit cards and not 10 Mbit cards, that your problem is your server, not your network. Specifically you have three potential weak points in your server. 1. For 10-15 X clients, 1 GB of ram is very minimal. Depending on what applications are being run, you probably need more than that. How to find out: when all your clients are being used (really being used, not just logged in) run top and look at how much swap space is being used. If you are using a lot of swap that is an indication that you need more RAM. What window manager and applications are the clients running? Based on my past experience, you need at least 100 Mb of RAM for each client even when using a minimal window manager(icewm) and doing only internet browsing or word processing. This means that your server needs at least 1.5 GB of RAM and based in price points you would be better off going right up to 2 GB. Buying RAM in large chunks costs less money, and if your client machines are doing anything more than a minimal amount of work you will need more than 100MB per machine. You may have heard reports of people running 40-100 clients with only 1 GB of RAM. This works ONLY when the client machines are not running X-Windows (being used only as telnet/terminal appliances). 1GB of RAM should be about (USD) $100 - $150 2. CPU 1.6 GHz isn't real fast. Evaluate the output of top or other load monitoring tools to see if you can benefit from a faster CPU. A 3 GHz P4 runs about (USD) $300. 3. Disk. If you are hitting the disk for swap space definitely upgrade your RAM first. Then, if the applications are still making heavy use of the disk, you may want to upgrade to a disk with more cache and/or a faster transfer rate. SCSI and SATA are both generally better than IDE, albeit more expen$ive. 4. (4 of 3 :) Network architecture - make sure all clients are running at 100 Mbits and not 10 Mbits. Make sure all switches or hubs repeaters, and cards are running full duplex mode. Make sure all the cabling is clean with no reflections (reflections cause collisions and retries). Run ifconfig on each client and the server to see if any of your machines are seeing collisions. > The server shall serve about 10 ? 15 thin client computers. The thin client > computers are old computers with specifications running from Pentium 166 > MHz with 64 MB RAM and better. -- Linux/Open Source: Your infrastructure belongs to you, free, forever. Idealism: "Realism applied over a longer time period" http://www.scaled.com/projects/tierone/ http://kinz.org http://www.fedoratracker.org http://www.fedorafaq.org http://www.fedoranews.org Jeff Kinz, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat Jan 22 17:40:00 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?windows-1252?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:40:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Slow speed In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.2.20050122101937.045dca70@pop.domeneshop.no> References: <6.2.0.14.2.20050122101937.045dca70@pop.domeneshop.no> Message-ID: <41F28FF0.7050408@cmosnetworks.com> Bj?rn Roger Rasmussen wrote: > Hello people! > > I run a K12LTSP 4.2.0 setup at one of the schools I have the computer > responsibility for. The server is an old PC with the following > configuration: > > - Intel P 4 1.6 GHz, 1 GB RAM, 80 GB IDE harddisk WD with 8 MB cache. > 100 Mbit/s network. > > The server shall serve about 10 ? 15 thin client computers. The thin > client computers are old computers with specifications running from > Pentium 166 MHz with 64 MB RAM and better. > > Before I began to run K12LTSP I used Skolelinux > (http://www.skolelinux.no/). The users at the school liked that > solution, but it was a night mare for me to maintain the network. I > did not get any complaint about the speed when I run Skolelinux. > > Now with K12LTSP as system the people at the school are complaining > about the speed. High response time when they shall start or use > normally programs etc. > > Where would you think is the biggest bottleneck in my setup? Should I > have had a better server? Which parts of the server has the most > importance for the speed at the thin clients? > > Bjorn Roger Rasmussen > EDP employee - local government of Eigersund, Norway. > Hello Bj?rn, Jeff Kinz's recommendation about the CPU and the DRAM is correct. I'd go with nothing less than 2GB DRAM for 15 thin clients, and in actual practice I always use 4GB. Additionally, you should have Gigabit Ethernet on your server, hooked up to a Gigabit port on your switch. There are those who say no, you don't have to do that, but in my experience, 100BaseTX on the server works only for maybe 5 graphical thin clients at a reasonable speed. Note that I said "switch" and not "hub/repeater." If you're using hubs, get rid of them and replace them with switches, very much preferably one with a Gig-E port. I also agree with Jeff about 100BaseTX on all thin clients. Though 10BaseT will work, it's a bottleneck. Your thin clients are much more than powerful enough. An 80386-33 with the PCI bus and 32MB DRAM would do the job nicely, and I use old Pentium-166's and Pentium-233's with 32MB DRAM in my deployments. They are wonderful thin clients. I've also used old Apple PowerMac 5200's (75MHz CPUs) with 32MB DRAM; the only major downsides to the 5200's are that they support only 640x480 with 256 colors (PowerMac 5400's and up are better about that) and only 10BaseT Ethernet. Even so, they're still quite useable. With regard to your disk drive, I also use 80GB IDE disk drives in my K12LTSP server (software RAID 1 through the Linux kernel). Twenty-five stations are on it, plus it's a file server for the entire school to use. In all cases to date, response time has been fine on my server, but then, my server has twin Athlon 1.47GHz CPUs and 4GB DRAM in it. You actually can get away with a standard IDE disk drive if you have sufficient DRAM, so you might not have to upgrade your disk. It depends on what you have your kids--and in my case, the staff as well--doing. --TP From ddaniels at magic.fr Sat Jan 22 17:44:07 2005 From: ddaniels at magic.fr (Dennis Daniels) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 09:44:07 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Slow speed In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.2.20050122101937.045dca70@pop.domeneshop.no> References: <6.2.0.14.2.20050122101937.045dca70@pop.domeneshop.no> Message-ID: <41F290E7.4030709@magic.fr> On the cheap: *Limit usage of OpenOffice as much as possible *use firefox instead of mozilla *reduce usage of heavy graphical apps like Tuxtype (though a nice app, it slows down the network) For $ *more RAM *320 SCSI drives Alternatives *set up second ltsp server / share the served IP addresses **box 1 responds to 100-105 **box 2 resonds to 106-200 (or something like that) *set /home to a single box and NFS all requests there hth denny Bj?rn Roger Rasmussen wrote: > Hello people! > > I run a K12LTSP 4.2.0 setup at one of the schools I have the computer > responsibility for. The server is an old PC with the following > configuration: > > - Intel P 4 1.6 GHz, 1 GB RAM, 80 GB IDE harddisk WD with 8 MB cache. > 100 Mbit/s network. > > The server shall serve about 10 ? 15 thin client computers. The thin > client computers are old computers with specifications running from > Pentium 166 MHz with 64 MB RAM and better. > > Before I began to run K12LTSP I used Skolelinux > (http://www.skolelinux.no/). The users at the school liked that > solution, but it was a night mare for me to maintain the network. I did > not get any complaint about the speed when I run Skolelinux. > > Now with K12LTSP as system the people at the school are complaining > about the speed. High response time when they shall start or use > normally programs etc. > > Where would you think is the biggest bottleneck in my setup? Should I > have had a better server? Which parts of the server has the most > importance for the speed at the thin clients? > > Bjorn Roger Rasmussen > EDP employee - local government of Eigersund, Norway. > > *** > Bj?rn Roger Rasmussen (http://www.brr.no/) > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Lost and found here: http://dennisgdaniels.com/ and here irc://freenode/tikiwiki From les at futuresource.com Sat Jan 22 19:35:19 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:35:19 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Slow speed In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.2.20050122101937.045dca70@pop.domeneshop.no> References: <6.2.0.14.2.20050122101937.045dca70@pop.domeneshop.no> Message-ID: <1106422519.822.6.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2005-01-22 at 03:22, Bj??rn Roger Rasmussen wrote: > Before I began to run K12LTSP I used Skolelinux > (http://www.skolelinux.no/). The users at the school liked that > solution, but it was a night mare for me to maintain the network. I > did not get any complaint about the speed when I run Skolelinux. > > Now with K12LTSP as system the people at the school are complaining > about the speed. High response time when they shall start or use > normally programs etc. The default Gnome desktop in k12ltsp is a memory hog. If adding RAM doesn't help enough you could try switching to icewm on the clients. Some more detailed directions about reducing memory use even more by removing the default nautilus browser from the session have been posted here before. The tradeoff is that you lose desktop icons. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Sat Jan 22 19:41:19 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:41:19 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] password protect web dirs with htaccess? In-Reply-To: <1106387854.41f2238ea8acd@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> References: <646574B39C491E4D8573C54D35FFE52C058CAE@wsc-mail-01.intra.nwresd.k12.or.us> <1106387854.41f2238ea8acd@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> Message-ID: <1106422879.822.12.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2005-01-22 at 03:57, debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au wrote: > I want to password protect some directories in /var/www/html/ for staff only. > I've used .htaccess & .htpasswd files in the past using far-away host machines > and FTP but never on my own linux box on an intranet. And it's not working, > i.e. no pop up asking for a password, I can access the 'secure' directory. > > I have the .htaccess file in /var/www/html/staffonly/ and the .htpasswd file in > /var/www/... is there something else I should know about the php.ini or other > apache setting to make this all work? There is an AllowOverride None in your httpd.conf that keeps it from even trying to read .htaccess files. You need to set AllowOverride All or at least AllowOverride FileInfo AuthConfig Limit for the locations you want the .htaccess file read. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dahopkins at comcast.net Sat Jan 22 19:54:18 2005 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:54:18 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Eureka! Samba/LDAP is a piece of cake to set up now! Message-ID: <012220051954.22115.41F2AF6A000116AC0000566322007511509C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> Yes, that would be the idea. I want to move the ldap/samba authentication to a 'dedicated' system anyway. I can build a new system, then just dump the ldap database, import the ldif. check it out here at home with a simple network (see if the samba config has been correctly modified, I think there was a script to do the 2-->3 transition), and (hopefully) just plug it back in at the school later and switch the authconfig settings for the existing servers. David Trask's new script approach will make doing this so much simpler. Thanks for the advice and help! Sincerely, Dave Hopkins > davids..seem like an ideal spot for a sandbox...slapcat > somefile.ldf > otter give you an ldif with all info..do the skeleton and ldapadd the ldif. > my script cuts up users into staff and students then by one of six > schools..then by year so the end of year cleanout is pretty easy..chuck > > > > dahopkins at comcast.net on Friday, January 21, 2005 at 2:18 PM +0000 wrote: > > >I have been putting off the migration since I can't afford to lose the > > >existing accounts, especially mid-year. I want to create a new > > >LDAP/Samba 3 server and then 'just' move the LDAP database over. Looks > > >like a project for the early summer when I will have time to recover if > > >something flakes. Thanks for the script, it should make this alot > > >simpler to do in any event. > > > > > >Sincerely, > > >Dave Hopkins > > > > First, agree....wait until summer or at least a vacation before tackling > > a migration. Second...depending on what your trying to save....it may be > > as simple as moving the home dirs for safekeeping. I had a crash earlier > > this year (I did something stupid), but was able to recover nicely....I > > tarred everything in /home (tar preserves permissions)....moved it to > > another machine....rebuilt the Samba/LDAP server....ran the create-users > > script....put the backed up home directories back....and them ran the > > create-users script again just to help make sure permissions were > > OK.....and we were back in business. I told everyone that their passwords > > were reset to a default one and for them to change them ASAP....they did > > and we lost no data. I also managed to backup all the stuff worth keeping > > in their Windows profiles as well. > > > > David N. Trask > > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > > Vassalboro Community School > > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > > (207)923-3100 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From mark at tsd53.ca Sat Jan 22 19:59:05 2005 From: mark at tsd53.ca (Mark Raine) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:59:05 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Slow speed In-Reply-To: <20050122103725.A13848@redline.comcast.net> References: <6.2.0.14.2.20050122101937.045dca70@pop.domeneshop.no> <20050122103725.A13848@redline.comcast.net> Message-ID: <20050122195639.M60@tsd53.ca> This may sound simple but we have noticed a big increase in speed by decreasing the client resolution. just a thought. On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 10:37:25 -0500, Jeff Kinz wrote > On Sat, Jan 22, 2005 at 10:22:05AM 0100, Bj?rn Roger Rasmussen wrote: > > Now with K12LTSP as system the people at the school are complaining about > > the speed. High response time when they shall start or use normally > > programs etc. > > > Before I began to run K12LTSP I used Skolelinux > > school liked that solution, but it was a night mare for me to maintain the > > network. I did not get any complaint about the speed when I run Skolelinux. > > Does this mean that you used to run all your systems with local hard > drives? If so, then your current slowness problems is a result of > either your network, or your server. > > > - Intel P 4 1.6 GHz, 1 GB RAM, 80 GB IDE harddisk WD with 8 MB cache. 100 > > Mbit/s network. > > I suspect that since you have a 100 Mbit network, assuming all the > thin clients are using 100 Mbit cards and not 10 Mbit cards, that > your problem is your server, not your network. Specifically you have > three potential weak points in your server. > > 1. For 10-15 X clients, 1 GB of ram is very minimal. > Depending on what applications are being run, you probably need more > than that. How to find out: when all your clients are being used (really > being used, not just logged in) run top and look at how much swap space > is being used. If you are using a lot of swap that is an indication that > you need more RAM. What window manager and applications are the clients > running? Based on my past experience, you need at least 100 Mb of RAM > for each client even when using a minimal window manager(icewm) and > doing only internet browsing or word processing. This means that your > server needs at least 1.5 GB of RAM and based in price points you would > be better off going right up to 2 GB. Buying RAM in large chunks > costs less money, and if your client machines are doing anything > more than a minimal amount of work you will need more than 100MB per > machine. > > You may have heard reports of people running 40-100 clients with > only 1 GB of RAM. This works ONLY when the client machines are not running > X-Windows (being used only as telnet/terminal appliances). > > 1GB of RAM should be about (USD) $100 - $150 > > 2. CPU 1.6 GHz isn't real fast. Evaluate the output of top or > other load monitoring tools to see if you can benefit from a faster > CPU. A 3 GHz P4 runs about (USD) $300. > > 3. Disk. If you are hitting the disk for swap space definitely > upgrade your RAM first. Then, if the applications are still making heavy > use of the disk, you may want to upgrade to a disk with more cache > and/or a faster transfer rate. SCSI and SATA are both generally better > than IDE, albeit more expen$ive. > > 4. (4 of 3 :) Network architecture - make sure all clients are > running at 100 Mbits and not 10 Mbits. Make sure all switches or > hubs repeaters, and cards are running full duplex mode. Make sure > all the cabling is clean with no reflections (reflections cause > collisions and retries). Run ifconfig on each client and the > server to see if any of your machines are seeing collisions. > > > The server shall serve about 10 ? 15 thin client computers. The thin client > > computers are old computers with specifications running from Pentium 166 > > MHz with 64 MB RAM and better. > -- > Linux/Open Source: Your infrastructure belongs to you, free, > forever. Idealism: "Realism applied over a longer time period" http://www.scaled.com/projects// > http://kinz.org > http://www.fedoratracker.org http://www.fedorafaq.org > http://www.fedoranews.org > Jeff Kinz, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman//k12osn > For more info see Mark Raine Computer Services Coordinator Tisdale School Division #53 mark at tsd53.ca 306 873-2352 EXT: 505 From ddaniels at magic.fr Sat Jan 22 20:37:47 2005 From: ddaniels at magic.fr (Dennis Daniels) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:37:47 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Slow speed In-Reply-To: <20050122195639.M60@tsd53.ca> References: <6.2.0.14.2.20050122101937.045dca70@pop.domeneshop.no> <20050122103725.A13848@redline.comcast.net> <20050122195639.M60@tsd53.ca> Message-ID: <41F2B99B.8050909@magic.fr> Were you able to do that remotely? If yes, how? thanks! Denny Mark Raine wrote: > This may sound simple but we have noticed a big increase in speed by > decreasing the client resolution. just a thought. > > > > On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 10:37:25 -0500, Jeff Kinz wrote > >>On Sat, Jan 22, 2005 at 10:22:05AM 0100, Bj?rn Roger Rasmussen wrote: >> >>>Now with K12LTSP as system the people at the school are complaining about >>>the speed. High response time when they shall start or use normally >>>programs etc. >> >>>Before I began to run K12LTSP I used Skolelinux >>>school liked that solution, but it was a night mare for me to maintain the >>>network. I did not get any complaint about the speed when I run Skolelinux. >> >>Does this mean that you used to run all your systems with local hard >>drives? If so, then your current slowness problems is a result of >>either your network, or your server. >> >> >>>- Intel P 4 1.6 GHz, 1 GB RAM, 80 GB IDE harddisk WD with 8 MB cache. 100 >>>Mbit/s network. >> >>I suspect that since you have a 100 Mbit network, assuming all the >>thin clients are using 100 Mbit cards and not 10 Mbit cards, that >>your problem is your server, not your network. Specifically you have >>three potential weak points in your server. >> >> 1. For 10-15 X clients, 1 GB of ram is very minimal. >>Depending on what applications are being run, you probably need more >>than that. How to find out: when all your clients are being used (really >>being used, not just logged in) run top and look at how much swap space >>is being used. If you are using a lot of swap that is an indication that >>you need more RAM. What window manager and applications are the clients >>running? Based on my past experience, you need at least 100 Mb of RAM >>for each client even when using a minimal window manager(icewm) and >>doing only internet browsing or word processing. This means that your >>server needs at least 1.5 GB of RAM and based in price points you would >>be better off going right up to 2 GB. Buying RAM in large chunks >>costs less money, and if your client machines are doing anything >>more than a minimal amount of work you will need more than 100MB per >>machine. >> >>You may have heard reports of people running 40-100 clients with >>only 1 GB of RAM. This works ONLY when the client machines are not running >>X-Windows (being used only as telnet/terminal appliances). >> >>1GB of RAM should be about (USD) $100 - $150 >> >> 2. CPU 1.6 GHz isn't real fast. Evaluate the output of top or >>other load monitoring tools to see if you can benefit from a faster >>CPU. A 3 GHz P4 runs about (USD) $300. >> >> 3. Disk. If you are hitting the disk for swap space definitely >>upgrade your RAM first. Then, if the applications are still making heavy >>use of the disk, you may want to upgrade to a disk with more cache >>and/or a faster transfer rate. SCSI and SATA are both generally better >>than IDE, albeit more expen$ive. >> >> 4. (4 of 3 :) Network architecture - make sure all clients are >>running at 100 Mbits and not 10 Mbits. Make sure all switches or >>hubs repeaters, and cards are running full duplex mode. Make sure >>all the cabling is clean with no reflections (reflections cause >>collisions and retries). Run ifconfig on each client and the >>server to see if any of your machines are seeing collisions. >> >> >>>The server shall serve about 10 ? 15 thin client computers. The thin client >>>computers are old computers with specifications running from Pentium 166 >>>MHz with 64 MB RAM and better. >> >>-- >>Linux/Open Source: Your infrastructure belongs to you, free, >> forever. Idealism: "Realism applied over a longer time period" > > http://www.scaled.com/projects// > >>http://kinz.org >>http://www.fedoratracker.org http://www.fedorafaq.org >>http://www.fedoranews.org >>Jeff Kinz, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman//k12osn >>For more info see > > > > Mark Raine > Computer Services Coordinator > Tisdale School Division #53 > mark at tsd53.ca > 306 873-2352 EXT: 505 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- Lost and found here: http://dennisgdaniels.com/ and here irc://freenode/tikiwiki From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Sat Jan 22 21:53:49 2005 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:53:49 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Slow speed In-Reply-To: <1106422519.822.6.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <6.2.0.14.2.20050122101937.045dca70@pop.domeneshop.no> <1106422519.822.6.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1106430830.6762.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2005-01-22 at 13:35 -0600, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Sat, 2005-01-22 at 03:22, Bj?rn Roger Rasmussen wrote: > > > Before I began to run K12LTSP I used Skolelinux > > (http://www.skolelinux.no/). The users at the school liked that > > solution, but it was a night mare for me to maintain the network. I > > did not get any complaint about the speed when I run Skolelinux. > > > > Now with K12LTSP as system the people at the school are complaining > > about the speed. High response time when they shall start or use > > normally programs etc. > > The default Gnome desktop in k12ltsp is a memory hog. If adding > RAM doesn't help enough you could try switching to icewm on the > clients. XFce is another lighter alternative, which is included w/ K12LTSP 4.1/4.2 and FC2/3. Just "yum install xfdesktop". -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us Sun Jan 23 00:58:55 2005 From: mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us (mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:58:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] ntpd SELinux problem Message-ID: <1500.24.2.210.202.1106441935.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> I've built a samba server using the k12ltsp 4.2 iso's. The following is appearing in messages. Jan 21 01:55:14 admin ntpd[9988]: can't open /etc/ntp/drift.TEMP: Permission denied Jan 21 01:55:14 admin kernel: audit(1106290514.375:0): avc: denied { write } for pid=9988 exe=/usr/sbin/ntpd name=ntp dev=hda3 ino=3392705 scontext=root:system_r:ntpd_t tcontext=system_u:object_r:etc_t tclass=dir The ownership of the /etc/ntp directory and all files in it is ntp.ntp. If I change SELinux to Permissive, then the drift.TEMP file is created. Is there something else that I need to do to allow ntpd to update the drift file with SELinux set to Enforcing? Mark Orenstein East Granby, CT School System From mark at tsd53.ca Sun Jan 23 02:00:50 2005 From: mark at tsd53.ca (Mark Raine) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:00:50 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Slow speed In-Reply-To: <41F2B99B.8050909@magic.fr> References: <6.2.0.14.2.20050122101937.045dca70@pop.domeneshop.no> <20050122103725.A13848@redline.comcast.net> <20050122195639.M60@tsd53.ca> <41F2B99B.8050909@magic.fr> Message-ID: <20050123015552.M29455@tsd53.ca> The video settings are on the server. The are in the lts.conf file. the video settings are remarked out by default on the k12ltsp release. Just uncomment the setting you want as the default. I am not at work so I can't check the path for the file but I think it is /opt/k12linux/i386/etc/lts.conf Hope this helps On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:37:47 -0800, Dennis Daniels wrote > Were you able to do that remotely? If yes, how? > > thanks! > Denny > > Mark Raine wrote: > > This may sound simple but we have noticed a big increase in speed by > > decreasing the client resolution. just a thought. > > > > > > > > On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 10:37:25 -0500, Jeff Kinz wrote > > > >>On Sat, Jan 22, 2005 at 10:22:05AM 0100, Bj?rn Roger Rasmussen wrote: > >> > >>>Now with K12LTSP as system the people at the school are complaining about > >>>the speed. High response time when they shall start or use normally > >>>programs etc. > >> > >>>Before I began to run K12LTSP I used Skolelinux > >>>school liked that solution, but it was a night mare for me to maintain the > >>>network. I did not get any complaint about the speed when I run Skolelinux. > >> > >>Does this mean that you used to run all your systems with local hard > >>drives? If so, then your current slowness problems is a result of > >>either your network, or your server. > >> > >> > >>>- Intel P 4 1.6 GHz, 1 GB RAM, 80 GB IDE harddisk WD with 8 MB cache. 100 > >>>Mbit/s network. > >> > >>I suspect that since you have a 100 Mbit network, assuming all the > >>thin clients are using 100 Mbit cards and not 10 Mbit cards, that > >>your problem is your server, not your network. Specifically you have > >>three potential weak points in your server. > >> > >> 1. For 10-15 X clients, 1 GB of ram is very minimal. > >>Depending on what applications are being run, you probably need more > >>than that. How to find out: when all your clients are being used (really > >>being used, not just logged in) run top and look at how much swap space > >>is being used. If you are using a lot of swap that is an indication that > >>you need more RAM. What window manager and applications are the clients > >>running? Based on my past experience, you need at least 100 Mb of RAM > >>for each client even when using a minimal window manager(icewm) and > >>doing only internet browsing or word processing. This means that your > >>server needs at least 1.5 GB of RAM and based in price points you would > >>be better off going right up to 2 GB. Buying RAM in large chunks > >>costs less money, and if your client machines are doing anything > >>more than a minimal amount of work you will need more than 100MB per > >>machine. > >> > >>You may have heard reports of people running 40-100 clients with > >>only 1 GB of RAM. This works ONLY when the client machines are not running > >>X-Windows (being used only as telnet/terminal appliances). > >> > >>1GB of RAM should be about (USD) $100 - $150 > >> > >> 2. CPU 1.6 GHz isn't real fast. Evaluate the output of top or > >>other load monitoring tools to see if you can benefit from a faster > >>CPU. A 3 GHz P4 runs about (USD) $300. > >> > >> 3. Disk. If you are hitting the disk for swap space definitely > >>upgrade your RAM first. Then, if the applications are still making heavy > >>use of the disk, you may want to upgrade to a disk with more cache > >>and/or a faster transfer rate. SCSI and SATA are both generally better > >>than IDE, albeit more expen$ive. > >> > >> 4. (4 of 3 :) Network architecture - make sure all clients are > >>running at 100 Mbits and not 10 Mbits. Make sure all switches or > >>hubs repeaters, and cards are running full duplex mode. Make sure > >>all the cabling is clean with no reflections (reflections cause > >>collisions and retries). Run ifconfig on each client and the > >>server to see if any of your machines are seeing collisions. > >> > >> > >>>The server shall serve about 10 [WINDOWS-1252?]? 15 thin client computers. The thin client > >>>computers are old computers with specifications running from Pentium 166 > >>>MHz with 64 MB RAM and better. > >> > >>-- > >>Linux/Open Source: Your infrastructure belongs to you, free, > >> forever. Idealism: "Realism applied over a longer time period" > > > > http://www.scaled.com/projects// > > > >>http://kinz.org > >>http://www.fedoratracker.org http://www.fedorafaq.org > >>http://www.fedoranews.org > >>Jeff Kinz, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>K12OSN mailing list > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman//k12osn > >>For more info see > > > > > > > > Mark Raine > > Computer Services Coordinator > > Tisdale School Division #53 > > mark at tsd53.ca > > 306 873-2352 EXT: 505 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > -- > Lost and found here: > http://dennisgdaniels.com/ > and here > irc://freenode/tikiwiki > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see Mark Raine Computer Services Coordinator Tisdale School Division #53 mark at tsd53.ca 306 873-2352 EXT: 505 From debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au Sun Jan 23 02:21:58 2005 From: debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au (debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:21:58 +1100 Subject: [K12OSN] password protect web dirs with htaccess? In-Reply-To: <1106422879.822.12.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <646574B39C491E4D8573C54D35FFE52C058CAE@wsc-mail-01.intra.nwresd.k12.or.us> <1106387854.41f2238ea8acd@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> <1106422879.822.12.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1106446918.41f30a46b5d82@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> Thanks Les & Shabbir... our staff directories are now safe from students' inquisitive eyes! In httpd.conf I altered: # AllowOverride None # Allow from all # # ... to ... # # AllowOverride All # Allow from all Quoting Les Mikesell : > On Sat, 2005-01-22 at 03:57, debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au wrote: > > > I want to password protect some directories in /var/www/html/ for staff > only. > > I've used .htaccess & .htpasswd files in the past using far-away host > machines > > and FTP but never on my own linux box on an intranet. And it's not working, > > i.e. no pop up asking for a password, I can access the 'secure' directory. > > > > I have the .htaccess file in /var/www/html/staffonly/ and the .htpasswd > file in > > /var/www/... is there something else I should know about the php.ini or > other > > apache setting to make this all work? > > There is an > AllowOverride None > in your httpd.conf that keeps it from even trying to read .htaccess > files. You need to set > AllowOverride All > or at least > AllowOverride FileInfo AuthConfig Limit > for the locations you want the .htaccess file read. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From tlegge at rogers.com Sun Jan 23 02:46:56 2005 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 22:46:56 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Locking down Mozilla and FireFox Preferencesa In-Reply-To: <20050121144729.GA5042@wizzy.com> References: <1106307580.21367.58.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> <20050121144729.GA5042@wizzy.com> Message-ID: <1106448415.24199.39.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> On Fri, 2005-01-21 at 10:47, Andy Rabagliati wrote: > On Fri, 21 Jan 2005, Timothy Legge wrote: > > > Hi All > > > > Based on Andy Rabagliati's post about lockpref I found some great > > documents on how to lock down browser preferences. You may have are > > read seen the LTSP Mozilla Lockdown HOWTO which basically tells you how > > to set the same preferences for all users: > > > > http://togami.com/~warren/guides/mozlockdown/ > > > > The message at: > > > > http://lists.suse.com/archives/suse-linux-e/2004-Jul/2868.html > > I attach the script I use. > > all.js seems to move around a bit, so it may need tweaking. > > It takes a single parameter - the proxy and home page (assumed the same). I did have to tweak it a little. all.js seems to be in greprefs for firefox and at least for mozilla on Slackware the general.config.filename setting goes in defaults/pref/browser-prefs.js. Thanks a lot for this script. I could not for the life of me get the other methods to work. I am not sure what I was doing wrong... Tim From sbetts at msad71.net Sun Jan 23 14:24:25 2005 From: sbetts at msad71.net (Sharon Betts) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:24:25 -0500 Subject: RE[K12OSN] Content Management System ? In-Reply-To: <7E0B6A06-6B5F-11D9-9DD7-000393AE464E@whitenitro.com> References: <7E0B6A06-6B5F-11D9-9DD7-000393AE464E@whitenitro.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, January 20, 2005 at 10:49 PM +0000 wrote: >www.drupal.org I am about to make the final decision on our CMS -- wavering in the choice between metadot site at school and now drupel -- this doesn't look quite like what I want, but I love the WIKI module. I wish there was a WIKI for metadot. I have investigated MAMBO, but don't like the permission system. Any advice? Sharon From mark at tsd53.ca Sun Jan 23 16:15:30 2005 From: mark at tsd53.ca (Mark Raine) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 10:15:30 -0600 Subject: RE[K12OSN] Content Management System ? In-Reply-To: References: <7E0B6A06-6B5F-11D9-9DD7-000393AE464E@whitenitro.com> Message-ID: <20050123161133.M40371@tsd53.ca> We are using moodle. The teachers find it easy to use as do students. We also use it in distance education. I think this is the link http://moodle.org/ I am not sure if this is what you are looking for or not but it works for us. On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:24:25 -0500, Sharon Betts wrote > "Support list for opensource software in schools." > on Thursday, January 20, 2005 at 10:49 PM +0000 wrote: > >www.drupal.org > > I am about to make the final decision on our CMS -- > wavering in the choice between > metadot > site at school > and now drupel -- this doesn't look quite like what I want, but I > love the WIKI module. I wish there was a WIKI for metadot. I have investigated > MAMBO, but don't like the permission system. > > Any advice? > Sharon > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see Mark Raine Computer Services Coordinator Tisdale School Division #53 mark at tsd53.ca 306 873-2352 EXT: 505 From sbetts at msad71.net Sun Jan 23 16:55:14 2005 From: sbetts at msad71.net (Sharon Betts) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:55:14 -0500 Subject: RE[K12OSN] Content Management System ? In-Reply-To: <20050123161133.M40371@tsd53.ca> References: <7E0B6A06-6B5F-11D9-9DD7-000393AE464E@whitenitro.com> < > <20050123161133.M40371@tsd53.ca> Message-ID: Mark, are you saying you use Moodle for your entire website? if so, could you point me to your URL as I would like to check it out. We also use Moodle for online-courses -- do you use the WIKI module? I have an older installation which has been "tweaked" to work under our portal with one point authentication. I am thinking of upgrading to get the WIKI -- I tried installing the module, but can't get the older version to recoginize it. What I am looking for here is a new CMS for our total web presence. It is presently running on IIS and I want to get rid of the Microsoft server. Sharon "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Sunday, January 23, 2005 at 11:15 AM +0000 wrote: >We are using moodle. The teachers find it easy to use as do students. We >also >use it in distance education. I think this is the link http://moodle.org/ > >On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:24:25 -0500, Sharon Betts wrote >> "Support list for opensource software in schools." >> on Thursday, January 20, 2005 at 10:49 PM +0000 >wrote: >> >www.drupal.org >> >> I am about to make the final decision on our CMS -- >> wavering in the choice between >> metadot >> site at school >> and now drupel -- this doesn't look quite like what I want, but I >> love the WIKI module. I wish there was a WIKI for metadot. I have >investigated >> MAMBO, but don't like the permission system. >> >> Any advice? >> Sharon >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN > mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > >Mark Raine >Computer Services Coordinator >Tisdale School Division #53 >mark at tsd53.ca >306 873-2352 EXT: 505 > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see Sharon MSAD#71 Director of Educational Technology sbetts at msad71.net http://www.msad71.net 207-985-1100 I think in terms of the day's resolutions, not the year's. - Henry Moore From ddaniels at magic.fr Sun Jan 23 18:20:23 2005 From: ddaniels at magic.fr (Dennis Daniels) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 10:20:23 -0800 Subject: RE[K12OSN] Content Management System ? In-Reply-To: References: <7E0B6A06-6B5F-11D9-9DD7-000393AE464E@whitenitro.com> < > <20050123161133.M40371@tsd53.ca> Message-ID: <41F3EAE7.80608@magic.fr> We use moodle a lot at our school. Our home grown system is suffering from code rot so we've looking to expand moodle's usage wider to include more teachers. It's not a perfect system but Moodle is very good and I would recommend it for most every education environment. Denny Sharon Betts wrote: > Mark, are you saying you use Moodle for your entire website? if so, could > you point me to your URL as I would like to check it out. > > We also use Moodle for online-courses -- do you use the WIKI module? I > have an older installation which has been "tweaked" to work under our > portal with one point authentication. I am thinking of upgrading to get > the WIKI -- I tried installing the module, but can't get the older version > to recoginize it. > > What I am looking for here is a new CMS for our total web presence. It is > presently running on IIS and I want to get rid of the Microsoft server. > Sharon > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Sunday, January 23, 2005 at 11:15 AM +0000 wrote: > >>We are using moodle. The teachers find it easy to use as do students. We >>also >>use it in distance education. I think this is the link http://moodle.org/ >> >>On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:24:25 -0500, Sharon Betts wrote >> >>>"Support list for opensource software in schools." >>> on Thursday, January 20, 2005 at 10:49 PM +0000 >> >>wrote: >> >>>>www.drupal.org >>> >>>I am about to make the final decision on our CMS -- >>>wavering in the choice between >>> metadot >>> site at school >>>and now drupel -- this doesn't look quite like what I want, but I >>>love the WIKI module. I wish there was a WIKI for metadot. I have >> >>investigated >> >>>MAMBO, but don't like the permission system. >>> >>>Any advice? >>>Sharon >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN >> >>mailing list >> >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >> >> >>Mark Raine >>Computer Services Coordinator >>Tisdale School Division #53 >>mark at tsd53.ca >>306 873-2352 EXT: 505 >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see > > > > > Sharon > MSAD#71 Director of Educational Technology > sbetts at msad71.net http://www.msad71.net 207-985-1100 > I think in terms of the day's resolutions, not the year's. - Henry Moore > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- Lost and found here: http://dennisgdaniels.com/ and here irc://freenode/tikiwiki From Jason.Waskiewicz at sendit.nodak.edu Sun Jan 23 19:40:19 2005 From: Jason.Waskiewicz at sendit.nodak.edu (Jason Waskiewicz) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:40:19 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP slows down on subnet Message-ID: <49789.69.26.17.241.1106509219.squirrel@webmail.sendit.nodak.edu> I recently configured Red Hat Fedora 2 to work as an LTSP server over the school network. This worked (slowly) over the weekend when most of the computers in the building were not on the network. However, when Monday came, I saw why everyone suggests getting a switch and creating a subnetwork. I tried out an old hub that has been in storage, but it was unacceptably slow. I then drove to the city and bought a switch. I had no improvement in speed. The thin-clients (all in my classroom) withh run Etherboot. They will find DHCP and identify all the IP addresses. However, when they start to boot up Linux, they hang up. They identify the file. They should then display about a screen's worth of periods. Instead, they start popping up periods at an ever slower and slower rate. Last night I let it go for 3 hours and had about 10 periods. When I reconnect the clients and server to the school network, they all speed up (although still unacceptably slow). This is true without changing a single setting! Can someone help me? I'm new to this and I can't find this particular error. --Jason Waskiewicz jason.waskiewicz at sendit.nodak.edu From jkinz at kinz.org Sun Jan 23 19:47:47 2005 From: jkinz at kinz.org (Jeff Kinz) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:47:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP slows down on subnet In-Reply-To: <49789.69.26.17.241.1106509219.squirrel@webmail.sendit.nodak.edu>; from Jason.Waskiewicz@sendit.nodak.edu on Sun, Jan 23, 2005 at 01:40:19PM -0600 References: <49789.69.26.17.241.1106509219.squirrel@webmail.sendit.nodak.edu> Message-ID: <20050123144747.A2496@redline.comcast.net> On Sun, Jan 23, 2005 at 01:40:19PM -0600, Jason Waskiewicz wrote: > I recently configured Red Hat Fedora 2 to work as an LTSP server over the > school network. This worked (slowly) over the weekend when most of the > computers in the building were not on the network. However, when Monday > came, I saw why everyone suggests getting a switch and creating a > subnetwork. > > I tried out an old hub that has been in storage, but it was unacceptably > slow. I then drove to the city and bought a switch. I had no improvement > in speed. > > The thin-clients (all in my classroom) withh run Etherboot. They will find > DHCP and identify all the IP addresses. However, when they start to boot > up Linux, they hang up. They identify the file. They should then display > about a screen's worth of periods. Instead, they start popping up periods > at an ever slower and slower rate. Last night I let it go for 3 hours and > had about 10 periods. Need some details: have you ever used this server for LTSP before? How well did it work? running what OS then What CPU and speed ? how much RAM What speed are your network components capable of? What speed are your network running at? How many NICs on your server > > When I reconnect the clients and server to the school network, they all > speed up (although still unacceptably slow). This is true without changing > a single setting! > > Can someone help me? I'm new to this and I can't find this particular error. > > --Jason Waskiewicz > jason.waskiewicz at sendit.nodak.edu > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Linux/Open Source: Your infrastructure belongs to you, free, forever. Idealism: "Realism applied over a longer time period" http://www.scaled.com/projects/tierone/ http://kinz.org http://www.fedoratracker.org http://www.fedorafaq.org http://www.fedoranews.org Jeff Kinz, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Sun Jan 23 20:15:14 2005 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:15:14 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] New 4.2 K12LTSP installed but old x_mode doesn't work Message-ID: The new install is almost finished, but I do have a couple of questions. The first is that the terminals that did work (k12ltsp 3.2) using the x_mode line in lts.conf : X_MODE_0 = 1024x768 65 1024 1048 1184 1344 768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync as in a workstation defined by: [lib07] XSERVER = auto # 60 Hz Resolutions X_MODE_0 = 1024x768 65 1024 1048 1184 1344 768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "IMPS/2" X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/psaux" # Option "Emulate3Buttons" "yes" LOCAL_APPS = N USE_NFS_SWAP = N SWAPFILE_SIZE = 48m RUNLEVEL = 5 fail to start X. I get a monitor that turns off because of being over-synced. If I set the x_mode to 800x600 X will start, but we just need at least 1024x768 as before. The monitors are AOC 15" 5E and the video is onboard SIS 730 using a ECS K7SEM mobo. Only since moving to the 4.2 K12 have we had this problem... I've got the system tentatively shut down tomorrow (Monday) just in case I can't get this and what ever else fixed in time. Thanks, Jim From les at futuresource.com Sun Jan 23 21:11:03 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:11:03 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP slows down on subnet In-Reply-To: <49789.69.26.17.241.1106509219.squirrel@webmail.sendit.nodak.edu> References: <49789.69.26.17.241.1106509219.squirrel@webmail.sendit.nodak.edu> Message-ID: <1106514662.13871.10.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2005-01-23 at 13:40, Jason Waskiewicz wrote: > I tried out an old hub that has been in storage, but it was unacceptably > slow. I then drove to the city and bought a switch. I had no improvement > in speed. Did you use the 2-NIC setup on your server with the switch and your clients on the 2nd nic? > When I reconnect the clients and server to the school network, they all > speed up (although still unacceptably slow). This is true without changing > a single setting! > > Can someone help me? I'm new to this and I can't find this particular error. One of the worst things that can happen speed-wise is a duplex mismatch between the NIC and switch port. Hubs always run half-duplex; switches can do either but you want them to use full duplex. Most things will negotiate this correctly these days but it is still possible to go wrong. Ifconfig will show if the interfaces are seeing errors, ethtool or mii-too will show the duplex setting. Make sure both the server NIC and the switch port where it is connected are running in full duplex. If ifconfig still shows errors on the interface you probably have a wiring problem. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From sbetts at msad71.net Sun Jan 23 21:54:11 2005 From: sbetts at msad71.net (Sharon Betts) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 16:54:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LinuxWorld goers??? In-Reply-To: <20050123161133.M40371@tsd53.ca> References: <7E0B6A06-6B5F-11D9-9DD7-000393AE464E@whitenitro.com> < > <20050123161133.M40371@tsd53.ca> Message-ID: Those of you going to Linux World, I have a real favor. I am looking for any new linux thin client notebooks with wireless capabilities. I have previously tested the Netbook -- with mixed results. If anyone sees information on this, could you post it on the list, please? If anyone has any that they now use or have reviewed, please post that also. Sharon From mark at tsd53.ca Sun Jan 23 22:08:16 2005 From: mark at tsd53.ca (Mark Raine) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 16:08:16 -0600 Subject: RE[K12OSN] Content Management System ? In-Reply-To: References: <7E0B6A06-6B5F-11D9-9DD7-000393AE464E@whitenitro.com> < > <20050123161133.M40371@tsd53.ca> Message-ID: <20050123215629.M70509@tsd53.ca> We work things a little different. The Division web page was created by the division using dream weaver. Each school has a person assigned to creat and manage the school web sites , most use dream weaver. These school pages contain links to teachers pages and moodle pages We are only in our 2nd year with moodle and teachers are really getting into it. Making tests and assigments that can be accessed from school or home. Division Page www.tisdaleschooldiv.sk.ca Tmss Page with link tmss.tisdaleschooldiv.sk.ca I am not sure on WIKI, moodle was installed by someone else But I could check if you want. TTYL On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:55:14 -0500, Sharon Betts wrote > Mark, are you saying you use Moodle for your entire website? if so, > could you point me to your URL as I would like to check it out. > > We also use Moodle for online-courses -- do you use the WIKI module? > I have an older installation which has been "tweaked" to work under > our portal with one point authentication. I am thinking of > upgrading to get the WIKI -- I tried installing the module, but > can't get the older version to recoginize it. > > What I am looking for here is a new CMS for our total web presence. > It is presently running on IIS and I want to get rid of the > Microsoft server. Sharon "Support list for opensource software in > schools." on Sunday, January 23, 2005 at 11:15 > AM +0000 wrote: > >We are using moodle. The teachers find it easy to use as do students. We > >also > >use it in distance education. I think this is the link http://moodle.org/ > > > >On Su n, 23 Jan 2005 09:24:25 -0500, Sharon Betts wrote > >> "Support list for opensource software in schools." > >> on Thursday, January 20, 2005 at 10:49 PM +0000 > >wrote: > >> >www.drupal.org > >> > >> I am about to make the final decision on our CMS -- > >> wavering in the choice between > >> metadot > >> site at school > >> and now drupel -- this doesn't look quite like what I want, but I > >> love the WIKI module. I wish there was a WIKI for metadot. I have > >investigated > >> MAMBO, but don't like the permission system. > >> > >> Any advice? > >> Sharon > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN > > mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see > > > > > >Mark Raine > >Computer Services Coordinator > >Tisdale School Division #53 > >mark at tsd53.ca > >306 873-2352 EXT: 505 > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > Sharon > MSAD#71 Director of Educational Technology > sbetts at msad71.net http://www.msad71.net 207-985-1100 > I think in terms of the day's resolutions, not the year's. - Henry > Moore > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see Mark Raine Computer Services Coordinator Tisdale School Division #53 mark at tsd53.ca 306 873-2352 EXT: 505 From cliebow at downeast.net Sun Jan 23 22:36:19 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 22:36:19 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] LinuxWorld goers??? Message-ID: <200501232139.j0NLdMJ07670@downeast.net> sure will keep alookout..chuck > Those of you going to Linux World, I have a real favor. I am looking for > any new linux thin client notebooks with wireless capabilities. I have > previously tested the Netbook -- with mixed results. If anyone sees > information on this, could you post it on the list, please? If anyone has > any that they now use or have reviewed, please post that also. > > Sharon > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From donlogs at cablespeed.com Mon Jan 24 00:03:50 2005 From: donlogs at cablespeed.com (Don Logsdon) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 16:03:50 -0800 Subject: RE[K12OSN] Content Management System ? In-Reply-To: <20050123215629.M70509@tsd53.ca> References: <7E0B6A06-6B5F-11D9-9DD7-000393AE464E@whitenitro.com> < > <20050123161133.M40371@tsd53.ca> <20050123215629.M70509@tsd53.ca> Message-ID: <41F43B66.2050701@cablespeed.com> Sharon: Wiki is supported as under moodle see: http://moodle.org/download/modules/ Search for Wiki Here is a quote from the website: <------ Implements proper Wiki pages as a Moodle activity. Based on the ErfurtWiki library. -------> don Mark Raine wrote: >We work things a little different. The Division web page was created by the >division using dream weaver. Each school has a person assigned to creat and >manage the school web sites , most use dream weaver. These school pages >contain links to teachers pages and moodle pages > >We are only in our 2nd year with moodle and teachers are really getting into >it. Making tests and assigments that can be accessed from school or home. > >Division Page www.tisdaleschooldiv.sk.ca >Tmss Page with link tmss.tisdaleschooldiv.sk.ca > >I am not sure on WIKI, moodle was installed by someone else But I could check >if you want. > >TTYL > > > > >On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:55:14 -0500, Sharon Betts wrote > > >>Mark, are you saying you use Moodle for your entire website? if so, >>could you point me to your URL as I would like to check it out. >> >>We also use Moodle for online-courses -- do you use the WIKI module? >> I have an older installation which has been "tweaked" to work under >>our portal with one point authentication. I am thinking of >>upgrading to get the WIKI -- I tried installing the module, but >>can't get the older version to recoginize it. >> >>What I am looking for here is a new CMS for our total web presence. >>It is presently running on IIS and I want to get rid of the >>Microsoft server. Sharon "Support list for opensource software in >>schools." on Sunday, January 23, 2005 at 11:15 >>AM +0000 wrote: >> >> >>>We are using moodle. The teachers find it easy to use as do students. We >>>also >>>use it in distance education. I think this is the link http://moodle.org/ >>> >>>On Su >>> >>> >n, 23 Jan 2005 09:24:25 -0500, Sharon Betts wrote > > >>>>"Support list for opensource software in schools." >>>> on Thursday, January 20, 2005 at 10:49 PM +0000 >>>> >>>> >>>wrote: >>> >>> >>>>>www.drupal.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>>I am about to make the final decision on our CMS -- >>>>wavering in the choice between >>>> metadot >>>> site at school >>>>and now drupel -- this doesn't look quite like what I want, but I >>>>love the WIKI module. I wish there was a WIKI for metadot. I have >>>> >>>> >>>investigated >>> >>> >>>>MAMBO, but don't like the permission system. >>>> >>>>Any advice? >>>>Sharon >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>K12OSN >>>> >>>> >>>mailing list >>> >>> >>>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>For more info see >>>> >>>> >>>Mark Raine >>>Computer Services Coordinator >>>Tisdale School Division #53 >>>mark at tsd53.ca >>>306 873-2352 EXT: 505 >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >>> >>Sharon >>MSAD#71 Director of Educational Technology >>sbetts at msad71.net http://www.msad71.net 207-985-1100 >>I think in terms of the day's resolutions, not the year's. - Henry >>Moore >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> > > >Mark Raine >Computer Services Coordinator >Tisdale School Division #53 >mark at tsd53.ca >306 873-2352 EXT: 505 > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From jkinz at kinz.org Mon Jan 24 02:35:36 2005 From: jkinz at kinz.org (Jeff Kinz) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 21:35:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] LinuxWorld goers??? In-Reply-To: ; from sbetts@msad71.net on Sun, Jan 23, 2005 at 04:54:11PM -0500 References: <7E0B6A06-6B5F-11D9-9DD7-000393AE464E@whitenitro.com> < <20050123161133.M40371@tsd53.ca> Message-ID: <20050123213536.B2496@redline.comcast.net> On Sun, Jan 23, 2005 at 04:54:11PM -0500, Sharon Betts wrote: > Those of you going to Linux World, I have a real favor. I am looking for > any new linux thin client notebooks with wireless capabilities. I have > previously tested the Netbook -- with mixed results. If anyone sees > information on this, could you post it on the list, please? If anyone has > any that they now use or have reviewed, please post that also. FYI - Most of this is older info, but this website is amazingly comprehensive so something there may help you: http://tuxmobil.org/mylaptops.html Reviews/write-ups, howtos on every major and most every minor brand of laptop and how Linux was made to run on it. > > Sharon > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Linux/Open Source: Your infrastructure belongs to you, free, forever. Idealism: "Realism applied over a longer time period" http://www.scaled.com/projects/tierone/ http://kinz.org http://www.fedoratracker.org http://www.fedorafaq.org http://www.fedoranews.org Jeff Kinz, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. From mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us Mon Jan 24 02:59:12 2005 From: mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us (mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 21:59:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] ntpd SELinux problem -Solved In-Reply-To: <1500.24.2.210.202.1106441935.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> References: <1500.24.2.210.202.1106441935.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> Message-ID: <1751.24.2.210.202.1106535552.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> I had driftfile point to /etc/ntp rather than /var/lib/ntp. > I've built a samba server using the k12ltsp 4.2 iso's. The following is > appearing in messages. > > Jan 21 01:55:14 admin ntpd[9988]: can't open /etc/ntp/drift.TEMP: > Permission denied > Jan 21 01:55:14 admin kernel: audit(1106290514.375:0): avc: denied { > write } for pid=9988 exe=/usr/sbin/ntpd name=ntp dev=hda3 ino=3392705 > scontext=root:system_r:ntpd_t tcontext=system_u:object_r:etc_t tclass=dir > > The ownership of the /etc/ntp directory and all files in it is ntp.ntp. > > If I change SELinux to Permissive, then the drift.TEMP file is created. > > Is there something else that I need to do to allow ntpd to update the > drift file with SELinux set to Enforcing? > > Mark Orenstein > East Granby, CT School System > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From rmccue at law.uvic.ca Mon Jan 24 04:05:59 2005 From: rmccue at law.uvic.ca (Rich McCue) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 20:05:59 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Eureka! Samba/LDAP is a piece of cake to set up now! In-Reply-To: <20050122052151.B16EA739D3@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050122052151.B16EA739D3@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <41F47427.8010305@law.uvic.ca> Well I installed the scripts and I think I found one thing that needs to be changed. I couldn't join an XP machine to the new domain until I made the following changes to the /etc/samba/smb.conf file starting at about line 173: New: add user script = /opt/IDEALX/sbin/smbldap-useradd -m "%u" Orig: add user script = /usr/local/sbin/smbldap-useradd -m "%u" Note that I had to switch "/opt/IDEALX/sbin/" for "/usr/local/sbin/" on a number of lines. Another question. Are there any decent web based or gui based admin tools for an LDAP/Samba setup? Thanks for all the hard work done by the SAU IT staff in putting the LDAP/Samba scripts together. Rich "David Trask" wrote: >Let us know how the Samba/LDAP thing works out! Also...I know it's a >haul, but if you're able to make it back East to the Linux conference in >June we'd love to see you again! :-) > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >(207)923-3100 > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > From les at futuresource.com Mon Jan 24 04:22:41 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 22:22:41 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Eureka! Samba/LDAP is a piece of cake to set up now! In-Reply-To: <41F47427.8010305@law.uvic.ca> References: <20050122052151.B16EA739D3@hormel.redhat.com> <41F47427.8010305@law.uvic.ca> Message-ID: <1106540560.15038.1.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2005-01-23 at 22:05, Rich McCue wrote: > Another question. Are there any decent web based or gui based admin > tools for an LDAP/Samba setup? I haven't tried it but Directory Administrator (http://diradmin.open-it.org/) looks promising. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From pauls at tclcommunications.co.nz Mon Jan 24 06:27:59 2005 From: pauls at tclcommunications.co.nz (Paul Satherley) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 19:27:59 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP slows down on subnet In-Reply-To: <1106514662.13871.10.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <49789.69.26.17.241.1106509219.squirrel@webmail.sendit.nodak.edu> <1106514662.13871.10.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <41F4956F.5010207@tclcommunications.co.nz> Hi, Just a thought is your Cat5 cabling up to spec... 10Mbps ethernet will work in a hub enviroment with faulty wiring when you got to 100Mbps all the problems appear... ie split pairs etc.. Les Mikesell wrote: >On Sun, 2005-01-23 at 13:40, Jason Waskiewicz wrote: > > > >>I tried out an old hub that has been in storage, but it was unacceptably >>slow. I then drove to the city and bought a switch. I had no improvement >>in speed. >> >> > >Did you use the 2-NIC setup on your server with the switch and your >clients on the 2nd nic? > > > >>When I reconnect the clients and server to the school network, they all >>speed up (although still unacceptably slow). This is true without changing >>a single setting! >> >>Can someone help me? I'm new to this and I can't find this particular error. >> >> > >One of the worst things that can happen speed-wise is a duplex mismatch >between the NIC and switch port. Hubs always run half-duplex; switches >can do either but you want them to use full duplex. Most things will >negotiate this correctly these days but it is still possible to go >wrong. Ifconfig will show if the interfaces are seeing errors, ethtool >or mii-too will show the duplex setting. Make sure both the server >NIC and the switch port where it is connected are running in full >duplex. If ifconfig still shows errors on the interface you probably >have a wiring problem. > > > From cliebow at downeast.net Mon Jan 24 11:42:57 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:42:57 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Eureka! Samba/LDAP is a piece of cake to set up now! Message-ID: <200501241045.j0OAjuW02987@downeast.net> ried three...lam-ldap acct manager ldapbrowser directory administrator.. i like ldapbrowser the best...it allows you to check existing linux pw and drag-drop accts..chuck > Well I installed the scripts and I think I found one thing that needs to > be changed. I couldn't join an XP machine to the new domain until I > made the following changes to the /etc/samba/smb.conf file starting at > about line 173: > > New: > add user script = /opt/IDEALX/sbin/smbldap-useradd -m "%u" > > Orig: > add user script = /usr/local/sbin/smbldap-useradd -m "%u" > > Note that I had to switch "/opt/IDEALX/sbin/" for "/usr/local/sbin/" on > a number of lines. > > Another question. Are there any decent web based or gui based admin > tools for an LDAP/Samba setup? > > Thanks for all the hard work done by the SAU IT staff in putting the > LDAP/Samba scripts together. > > Rich > > "David Trask" wrote: > > >Let us know how the Samba/LDAP thing works out! Also...I know it's a > >haul, but if you're able to make it back East to the Linux conference in > >June we'd love to see you again! :-) > > > >David N. Trask > >Technology Teacher/Coordinator > >Vassalboro Community School > >dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > >(207)923-3100 > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From sudev at mantraonline.com Mon Jan 24 12:39:34 2005 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 18:09:34 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] [OT?] Testing CPU's throughput Message-ID: <1106570374.16725.25.camel@server.ltsp> Reading various posts on the list I was wondering how to test the processing power of 64 bit vs 32 bit CPU with 64/32 bit OS. To eliminate disk IO as influencing factor I ran the attached script that makes intensive use of CPU without any IO from disk. There was no other processing. The results were: 1. 64 bit CPU AMD 32 bit 1.8Mhz k12LTSP 4.2 4m 43s 2. 64 bit CPU AMD 64 bit 1.8Mhz FC3 3m 55s 3. 32 bit CPU Intel 32 bit 1.8Mhz k12LTSP 3.12 7m 13s 4. 32 bit CPU Intel 32 bit 2.6Mhz k12LTSP 3.12 5m 1s Is the conclusion that all things being equal AMD running under 64 bit OS would out perform? Definitely cost wise I could buy AMD64 with MSI MoBo board cheaper than Intel MoBo with P-IV 2.6. I agree that this may not be best bench marking but that is all I could think up. Any gurus' with any suggestions. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: factorial.pl Type: text/x-perl Size: 110 bytes Desc: not available URL: From baci at harborcityschool.org Mon Jan 24 12:43:08 2005 From: baci at harborcityschool.org (Chris Bacigalupo) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 06:43:08 -0600 Subject: RE[K12OSN] Content Management System ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c50212$426947f0$6600000a@cucina> Sorry this is late but take a look at tikiwiki (http://www.tikiwiki.org) Keep it open source!! >>baci -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Sharon Betts Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 8:24 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Cc: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: RE[K12OSN] Content Management System ? "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, January 20, 2005 at 10:49 PM +0000 wrote: >www.drupal.org I am about to make the final decision on our CMS -- wavering in the choice between metadot site at school and now drupel -- this doesn't look quite like what I want, but I love the WIKI module. I wish there was a WIKI for metadot. I have investigated MAMBO, but don't like the permission system. Any advice? Sharon _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From microman at cmosnetworks.com Mon Jan 24 13:23:33 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 08:23:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] [OT?] Testing CPU's throughput In-Reply-To: <1106570374.16725.25.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1106570374.16725.25.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <41F4F6D5.8040105@cmosnetworks.com> Sudev Barar wrote: >Reading various posts on the list I was wondering how to test the >processing power of 64 bit vs 32 bit CPU with 64/32 bit OS. To eliminate >disk IO as influencing factor I ran the attached script that makes >intensive use of CPU without any IO from disk. There was no other >processing. The results were: >1. 64 bit CPU AMD 32 bit 1.8Mhz k12LTSP 4.2 4m 43s >2. 64 bit CPU AMD 64 bit 1.8Mhz FC3 3m 55s >3. 32 bit CPU Intel 32 bit 1.8Mhz k12LTSP 3.12 7m 13s >4. 32 bit CPU Intel 32 bit 2.6Mhz k12LTSP 3.12 5m 1s > >Is the conclusion that all things being equal AMD running under 64 bit >OS would out perform? Definitely cost wise I could buy AMD64 with MSI >MoBo board cheaper than Intel MoBo with P-IV 2.6. I agree that this may >not be best bench marking but that is all I could think up. >Any gurus' with any suggestions. > > I'm no guru, but over at Tom's Hardware Guide (http://www.tomshardware.com/), they ran a rather extensive set of tests, both with 64-bit SuSE Linux Enterprise Server (SLES) v8 and its 32-bit counterpart on both single- and dual-Opteron 1.8GHz systems. They then ran the same benchmarks on 32-bit SLES v8 on both single- and dual-Xeon 2.8 GHz systems. Then they did their "standard" workstation benchmarks under Windows XP Pro. Running Windows XP, the Xeon systems pulled somewhat ahead, due to Intel-specific optimizations in certain proprietary apps. Running SLES, however, produced a far different story. In 32-bit mode, the Opterons pulled a little bit ahead of the Xeons nearly every time. In 64-bit mode, things changed somewhat; the Opterons *demolished* their Xeon competitors. I mean, they just walked all over the Xeons, and remember, this is with a 1GHz clock-speed disadvantage. Since their results and yours seem to corroborate each other, this review would be well worth your reading; it's under the Processor section. I am definitely a fan of certain AMD chips, specifically, the Athlon XP and the Opteron. The reason for this is that they just provide better bang for your buck. The Athlon 64 (except the incredibly overpriced FX series) doesn't impress me so much, though; I'd rather have an Opteron. Intel really should've kept going with their Pentium III Tualatin line; that was a really nice, well-performing design, such that even the Celeron Tualatins were fast. Imagine one of *those* at 2+ GHz! --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Jan 24 13:59:10 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 08:59:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Eureka! Samba/LDAP is a piece of cake to set up now! In-Reply-To: <41F47427.8010305@law.uvic.ca> References: <20050122052151.B16EA739D3@hormel.redhat.com> <,> <41F47427.8010305@law.uvic.ca> Message-ID: Good catch Rich! This is as a result of the change between smbldap-tools-0.8.5 to 0.8.6. They changed the location of the smbldap-tools executables from /usr/local/sbin to /opt/IDEALX/sbin. I let Matt know and hopefully he can create a new version with the fix in the next day or so. If I can figure out which template it pulls from...I'll fix it myself before I test again this a.m. In the meantime....anyone playing with now....in the section of smb.conf where the smbldap-tools paths are set out....change /usr/local/sbin to /opt/IDEALX/sbin. "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Sunday, January 23, 2005 at 11:05 PM +0000 wrote: >Well I installed the scripts and I think I found one thing that needs to >be changed. I couldn't join an XP machine to the new domain until I >made the following changes to the /etc/samba/smb.conf file starting at >about line 173: > >New: > add user script = /opt/IDEALX/sbin/smbldap-useradd -m "%u" > >Orig: >add user script = /usr/local/sbin/smbldap-useradd -m "%u" > >Note that I had to switch "/opt/IDEALX/sbin/" for "/usr/local/sbin/" on >a number of lines. > >Another question. Are there any decent web based or gui based admin >tools for an LDAP/Samba setup? > >Thanks for all the hard work done by the SAU IT staff in putting the >LDAP/Samba scripts together. > >Rich David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Jan 24 13:59:10 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 08:59:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Eureka! Samba/LDAP is a piece of cake to set up now! In-Reply-To: <41F47427.8010305@law.uvic.ca> References: <20050122052151.B16EA739D3@hormel.redhat.com> <,> <41F47427.8010305@law.uvic.ca> Message-ID: Good catch Rich! This is as a result of the change between smbldap-tools-0.8.5 to 0.8.6. They changed the location of the smbldap-tools executables from /usr/local/sbin to /opt/IDEALX/sbin. I let Matt know and hopefully he can create a new version with the fix in the next day or so. If I can figure out which template it pulls from...I'll fix it myself before I test again this a.m. In the meantime....anyone playing with now....in the section of smb.conf where the smbldap-tools paths are set out....change /usr/local/sbin to /opt/IDEALX/sbin. "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Sunday, January 23, 2005 at 11:05 PM +0000 wrote: >Well I installed the scripts and I think I found one thing that needs to >be changed. I couldn't join an XP machine to the new domain until I >made the following changes to the /etc/samba/smb.conf file starting at >about line 173: > >New: > add user script = /opt/IDEALX/sbin/smbldap-useradd -m "%u" > >Orig: >add user script = /usr/local/sbin/smbldap-useradd -m "%u" > >Note that I had to switch "/opt/IDEALX/sbin/" for "/usr/local/sbin/" on >a number of lines. > >Another question. Are there any decent web based or gui based admin >tools for an LDAP/Samba setup? > >Thanks for all the hard work done by the SAU IT staff in putting the >LDAP/Samba scripts together. > >Rich David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From ghenry at suretecsystems.com Mon Jan 24 14:03:02 2005 From: ghenry at suretecsystems.com (Gavin Henry) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:03:02 -0000 (GMT) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Eureka! Samba/LDAP is a piece of cake to set up now! In-Reply-To: References: <20050122052151.B16EA739D3@hormel.redhat.com> <,><41F47427.8010305@law.uvic.ca> Message-ID: <64197.193.195.148.66.1106575382.squirrel@webmail.suretecsystems.com> >>Another question. Are there any decent web based or gui based admin >>tools for an LDAP/Samba setup? Hi Rich, There are 4 that I would recommend that you try: 1. http://lam.sourceforge.net/ 2. http://www.phpldapadmin.com/ 3. http://luma.sourceforge.net/ 4. http://www.webmin.com/ All have they're subtle differences though. Gavin. -- Kind Regards, Gavin Henry. Managing Director. T +44 (0) 1467 624141 M +44 (0) 7930 323266 F +44 (0) 1224 742001 E ghenry at suretecsystems.com Open Source. Open Solutions(tm). http://www.suretecsystems.com/ From linuxsys at davisny.edu Mon Jan 24 14:08:08 2005 From: linuxsys at davisny.edu (Calvin Park) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 09:08:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] ssh agent stays running In-Reply-To: <20050122095325.M29299@tsd53.ca> References: <20050122095325.M29299@tsd53.ca> Message-ID: <1106575688.10945.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mark, I just noticed on Friday that I am having a similar problem. Last semester we were running an almost identical setup last semester except that I was running 4.1 instead of 4.2...ssh agent stays on when a person logs off, and a new one starts when someone logs in. This is a bit of a problem...considering that it really does eventually eat up the RAM. If anyone has a solution I would love to hear it. -Calvin On Sat, 2005-01-22 at 04:01 -0600, Mark Raine wrote: > Hello > > Using the new release of K12. The only issue seems to be that after a user > logs off 2 processes stay running. They are ssh agent and I think the second > is gconf2 ( writing from home so not sure of second process). If the user logs > on 5 times there will be 5 sets of processes. Each is only a few meg but it > adds up. It is an issue at all 4 locations. The users are using ice by default > but the option for gnome is there. > > Thanks for any help > > Mark > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From petre at maltzen.net Mon Jan 24 14:51:47 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 08:51:47 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] can't edit Software page on wiki Message-ID: <41F50B83.10303@maltzen.net> As questions about putting the K12LTSP disks onto DVD come up regularly, I thought I create a quick-n-dirty page about it on the wiki using Steve Gilmore's message from Saturday (thanks Steve). But when I try to edit the Software page on the wiki, I get an error: Fatal PhpWiki Error Editing pages is disallowed on this wiki for user (level: -1). Is something amiss? Do I have to login to edit the page and create a new page? (it didn't used to be that way, I think). Petre From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Jan 24 15:09:04 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:09:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Eureka! Samba/LDAP is a piece of cake to set up now! In-Reply-To: <64197.193.195.148.66.1106575382.squirrel@webmail.suretecsystems.com> References: <64197.193.195.148.66.1106575382.squirrel@webmail.suretecsystems.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, January 24, 2005 at 9:03 AM +0000 wrote: >There are 4 that I would recommend that you try: > >1. http://lam.sourceforge.net/ >2. http://www.phpldapadmin.com/ >3. http://luma.sourceforge.net/ >4. http://www.webmin.com/ > >All have they're subtle differences though. > >Gavin. I can verify that directory administrator works...as I've installed and used it. I've heard good things about LAM as well...I think Chuck uses that. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Jan 24 15:09:04 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:09:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Eureka! Samba/LDAP is a piece of cake to set up now! In-Reply-To: <64197.193.195.148.66.1106575382.squirrel@webmail.suretecsystems.com> References: <64197.193.195.148.66.1106575382.squirrel@webmail.suretecsystems.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, January 24, 2005 at 9:03 AM +0000 wrote: >There are 4 that I would recommend that you try: > >1. http://lam.sourceforge.net/ >2. http://www.phpldapadmin.com/ >3. http://luma.sourceforge.net/ >4. http://www.webmin.com/ > >All have they're subtle differences though. > >Gavin. I can verify that directory administrator works...as I've installed and used it. I've heard good things about LAM as well...I think Chuck uses that. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From Trae.Elmore at marshall.tstc.edu Mon Jan 24 15:15:49 2005 From: Trae.Elmore at marshall.tstc.edu (Trae Elmore) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 09:15:49 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] re: DVD ISO script. Message-ID: Steve thanks for the info. I will give it a try. Trae Elmore CNE, MCP Program Chair of Computer Systems Networking trae.elmore at marshall.tstc.edu 903) 935-1010 ext. 3361 From morelocj at canby.k12.or.us Sun Jan 23 17:48:23 2005 From: morelocj at canby.k12.or.us (Joseph Morelock) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:48:23 -0800 Subject: RE[K12OSN] Content Management System ? In-Reply-To: <7E0B6A06-6B5F-11D9-9DD7-000393AE464E@whitenitro.com> References: <20050121015844.F1A82732A0@hormel.redhat.com> <7E0B6A06-6B5F-11D9-9DD7-000393AE464E@whitenitro.com> Message-ID: We are using it for our high school teachers who wanted an easy/quick way to communicate via the web with students and their parents. Check out the result at: http://resources.canby.k12.or.us/staffblogs/ Joe On Jan 20, 2005, at 7:49 PM, Bryant Patten wrote: > Does anyone have any experience (pro or con) with Drupal? > > www.drupal.org > > > On Jan 20, 2005, at 8:58 PM, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: > >> [K12OSN] Content Management System ? > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > Joseph Morelock Director of Network & Information Services Canby School District morelocj at canby.k12.or.us 503.266.7861 Abstention from any aleatory undertaking precludes a potential escalation of a lucrative nature. From big at santaz.dk Mon Jan 24 18:07:58 2005 From: big at santaz.dk (Jesper Berth) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 19:07:58 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Cups deleting jobs Message-ID: <1106590078.10286.23.camel@bigsanta.berthit> Hi I have a small problem with cups, I have just recieved a phonecall from my school that they can't print. I have ssh acces to the school, and if i do ls -al /var/spool/cups i get a long list of jobs some starting with c***** and are only ~570 in size others d*****-001 and are much larger in size. These are the printed and not printed jobs right?? Can i just delete these?? Jesper -- Jesper Berth From dhuckaby at paasda.org Mon Jan 24 19:17:41 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:17:41 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Cups deleting jobs In-Reply-To: <1106590078.10286.23.camel@bigsanta.berthit> References: <1106590078.10286.23.camel@bigsanta.berthit> Message-ID: <41F549D5.3000707@paasda.org> with ssh you should be able to login...then links or lynx http://localhost:631/ to access your CUPS web interface... there you can restart the printer for them...manage jobs as well I believe.. --Huck Jesper Berth wrote: >Hi > >I have a small problem with cups, I have just recieved a phonecall from >my school that they can't print. > >I have ssh acces to the school, and if i do > >ls -al /var/spool/cups > >i get a long list of jobs some starting with c***** and are only ~570 in >size others d*****-001 and are much larger in size. These are the >printed and not printed jobs right?? > >Can i just delete these?? > >Jesper > > From big at santaz.dk Mon Jan 24 19:20:23 2005 From: big at santaz.dk (Jesper Berth) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:20:23 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Cups deleting jobs In-Reply-To: <41F549D5.3000707@paasda.org> References: <1106590078.10286.23.camel@bigsanta.berthit> <41F549D5.3000707@paasda.org> Message-ID: <1106594423.10283.31.camel@bigsanta.berthit> Yes i know i can do that, but i would like to make a script there each night removed all jobs it couldn't print. I am not always near a computer with internet acces, so if it could run automatic every night that would be great :-) Jesper > with ssh you should be able to login...then > > links or lynx http://localhost:631/ to access your CUPS web interface... > there you can restart the printer for them...manage jobs as well I believe.. > > --Huck > > Jesper Berth wrote: > > >Hi > > > >I have a small problem with cups, I have just recieved a phonecall from > >my school that they can't print. > > > >I have ssh acces to the school, and if i do > > > >ls -al /var/spool/cups > > > >i get a long list of jobs some starting with c***** and are only ~570 in > >size others d*****-001 and are much larger in size. These are the > >printed and not printed jobs right?? > > > >Can i just delete these?? > > > >Jesper > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Jesper Berth From jamie at listserv.newberg.k12.or.us Mon Jan 24 19:51:33 2005 From: jamie at listserv.newberg.k12.or.us (Jamie McParland) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:51:33 -0800 Subject: RE[K12OSN] Content Management System ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Did you have to create an account for each staff member or do you have some sort of ldap solution working on the back end (please say ldap I got 500 staff members *grin*) Jamie Newberg Public Schools. > From: Joseph Morelock > Reply-To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:48:23 -0800 > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > Subject: Re: RE[K12OSN] Content Management System ? > > We are using it for our high school teachers who wanted an easy/quick > way to communicate via the web with students and their parents. Check > out the result at: http://resources.canby.k12.or.us/staffblogs/ > > > Joe > > > On Jan 20, 2005, at 7:49 PM, Bryant Patten wrote: > >> Does anyone have any experience (pro or con) with Drupal? >> >> www.drupal.org >> >> >> On Jan 20, 2005, at 8:58 PM, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: >> >>> [K12OSN] Content Management System ? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> > Joseph Morelock > Director of Network & Information Services > Canby School District > morelocj at canby.k12.or.us > 503.266.7861 > > Abstention from any aleatory undertaking precludes a potential > escalation of a lucrative nature. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From SHarbour at nwresd.k12.or.us Mon Jan 24 21:49:05 2005 From: SHarbour at nwresd.k12.or.us (Sean Harbour) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:49:05 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: final decision on our CMS Message-ID: <646574B39C491E4D8573C54D35FFE52C058CC1@wsc-mail-01.intra.nwresd.k12.or.us> As far as a Metadot wiki goes, you can open up part of a Metadot site to function like a wiki. Make a page called "wiki" and give edit permissions to "public". It meets the classic wiki definition of the public being able to edit and create new pages via a simple web page. Make sure you have a backup every hour or so though... Seriously, we are looking for a way to integrate a decent wiki such as MoinMoin into our Metadot. I really miss the features like unlimited rollback and user tracking of edits. However, if Moodle integrates fairly well with LDAP and Metadot, it may be the killer combination we are looking for. Thanks, Sean Harbour >I am about to make the final decision on our CMS -- >wavering in the choice between > metadot > site at school >and now drupel -- this doesn't look quite like what I want, but I love the >WIKI module. I wish there was a WIKI for metadot. I have investigated >MAMBO, but don't like the permission system. >Any advice? >Sharon -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2918 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Jason.Waskiewicz at sendit.nodak.edu Mon Jan 24 21:55:38 2005 From: Jason.Waskiewicz at sendit.nodak.edu (Jason Waskiewicz) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 15:55:38 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: LTSP slows down on subnet Message-ID: <1414.10.130.157.27.1106603738.squirrel@webmail.sendit.nodak.edu> >Need some details: >have you ever used this server for LTSP before? I have used this particular setup over the school network for LTSP. I have changed no settings since installing the switch. > How well did it work? It was very slow, but it did (after about 5 minutes) give me a login screen and let me run applications. > running what OS then Same setup. Red Hat Fedora Core 2. >What CPU and speed ? how much RAM Pentium 3 451 MHz (I think) 250 MB Memory >What speed are your network components capable of? The network cards on the thin-clients are 3c509. I think they are 10 (not sure of the unit, but slower than the 100) The clients are all Pentiums with between 16-64 MB of memory. The switch is capable of 100 (not sure of the unit) The cable is all 5e I am not sure about the network cards in the server. They were unknowns I dug up. The one connected to the thin-clients is SMC2-1211TX; the one connected to the school network is RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ >What speed are your network running at? I'm not sure; but it's really slow! >How many NICs on your server 2 on the server. I'm not sure why it runs (slowly) over the school network, but barely at all over my subnetwork. 3 hours to display a few dots is unacceptable! I hope I've clarified anything. I'm not a "tech" person. I'm a science teacher who is trying to build his own (cheap) computer lab. --Jason Waskiewicz jason.waskiewicz at sendit.nodak.edu From roger.in.eugene at gmail.com Mon Jan 24 22:03:44 2005 From: roger.in.eugene at gmail.com (Roger Morris) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:03:44 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Auto directory creation with LDAP Message-ID: <69b790a8050124140318ec173a@mail.gmail.com> Has anybody gotten it to work? I'm trying to setup an FTP server so it will create the home dirs when they login. I'm letting LDAP handle the authentication, can't get the dir creation to work. Thanks Roger From sjilagan at comcast.net Mon Jan 24 22:37:03 2005 From: sjilagan at comcast.net (sjilagan at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 22:37:03 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp 4.2 exception during install Message-ID: <012420052237.15043.41F5788D000A4D7600003AC32200734748020E090E0407069C@comcast.net> I've been trying to load k12ltsp v4.2 and I keep getting the following anaconda exception error. It happens after the disc image loads and the rpm packages start installing: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/anaconda", line 1165, in ? intf.run(id, dispatch, configFileData) File "/usr/src/build/475969-i386/install//usr/lib/anaconda/text.py", line 507, in run dispatch.gotoNext() File "/usr/src/build/475969-i386/install//usr/lib/anaconda/dispatch.py", line 171, in gotoNext self.moveStep() File "/usr/src/build/475969-i386/install//usr/lib/anaconda/dispatch.py", line 239, in moveStep rc = apply(func, self.bindArgs(args)) File "/usr/src/build/475969-i386/install//usr/lib/anaconda/packages.py", line 733, in doPreInstall iutil.writeRpmPlatform(instPath) File "/usr/lib/anaconda/iutil.py", line 654, in writeRpmPlatform os.mkdir("%s/etc/rpm" %(root,)) OSError: [Errno 30] Read-only file system: '/mnt/sysimage/etc/rpm' I have the following hardware: Delll PowerEdge 2400 2X500 512MB RAM 3 18GB drives in Raid-5 Perc 2si Controller (raid) Adaptec onboard controller Any help would be appreciated on Thanks, -- John Ilagan sjilagan at comcast.net From k12ltsp at hermon.net Mon Jan 24 22:44:57 2005 From: k12ltsp at hermon.net (k12ltsp) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:44:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] VNC Reflector Not Working Message-ID: Hey there, I have not been successful either getting VNC Reflector to work. I understand there is a group of people working on the issue. If it helps, I'll paste what I tried so they know that I wasn't successful. 1. I removed all of the VNC components from the LTSP server and downloaded the source RPMS of VNC Server 3.22. This version was developed back in 2003, when the last iteration of VNCReflector was written. I compiled it successfully and installed the compiled RPM. Once I got the server online, I set up VNCReflector again and the result was the same, an "End of Stream" error. I can now rule out that it has nothing to do with the version of VNCServer. The issue appears to be directly related to VNCReflector and the latest distros of Fedora/Redhat (I also tried it on a Redhat version). Unfortunately, VNCReflector hasn't been updated in two years, so I don't see a solution coming anytime soon with that product. Just sharing my troubleshooting steps. Hopefully, a solution will be found! Take care, Alan From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Jan 24 23:24:24 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 18:24:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Auto directory creation with LDAP In-Reply-To: <69b790a8050124140318ec173a@mail.gmail.com> References: <69b790a8050124140318ec173a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Roger Morris on Monday, January 24, 2005 at 5:03 PM +0000 wrote: >I'm trying to setup an FTP server so it will create the home dirs when >they login. I'm letting LDAP handle the authentication, can't get the >dir creation to work. Where is LDAP running? On the same machine or another machine? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Jan 24 23:37:44 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 18:37:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap-installer bug fix.... version 1.1 available Message-ID: Rich McCue discovered an "oops" in the smbldap-installer script. (Good catch Rich!) It was a simple matter of the path of the smbldap-tools executable was wrong in smb.conf. If you already have a server up and running with version 1.0 of the script....simply download version 1.1 and rerun the script.....that will fix the issue and should nat affect anything else. You can get a copy here.... http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/smbldap/smbldap-installer-1.1.tgz David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From cliebow at downeast.net Mon Jan 24 23:40:25 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 23:40:25 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Auto directory creation with LDAP Message-ID: <200501242243.j0OMhLW29535@downeast.net> do you have pammkhomdir in your system-auth??chuck > Roger Morris on Monday, January 24, 2005 at > 5:03 PM +0000 wrote: > >I'm trying to setup an FTP server so it will create the home dirs when > >they login. I'm letting LDAP handle the authentication, can't get the > >dir creation to work. > > Where is LDAP running? On the same machine or another machine? > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From roger.in.eugene at gmail.com Mon Jan 24 23:42:34 2005 From: roger.in.eugene at gmail.com (Roger Morris) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 15:42:34 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Auto directory creation with LDAP In-Reply-To: <200501242243.j0OMhLW29535@downeast.net> References: <200501242243.j0OMhLW29535@downeast.net> Message-ID: <69b790a8050124154236013d5@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 15:39:19 -0800 (PST), cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > do you have pammkhomdir in your system-auth??chuck > > Where is LDAP running? On the same machine or another machine? > > LDAP is remote. If I manually create a dir, ftp works. If there is no dir, nologin. I had pam_mkhomedir.so in system-auth, but it was segfault if I used su. I talked myself out of having it there. The docs I have, show the mkhomedir is supposed to go a line in /etc/pam.d/vsftpd Roger From morelocj at canby.k12.or.us Mon Jan 24 23:51:57 2005 From: morelocj at canby.k12.or.us (Joseph Morelock) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 15:51:57 -0800 Subject: RE[K12OSN] Content Management System ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well, I could lie to you and tell you that, but...we actually did enter them in one by one. For the initial setup, we had staff members self-register without confirmation, so we really only had to enter a few folks after we closed the open registration. We did this at an inservice day, when we launched the service for all staff. I am sure that you could figure a way to do it (it is open source and well-written), but we did not have the time/expertise to make that so. We use a content management system for our school web sites that we had an ex-student build for us...it is open-source and free (as in beer). You can download it at: http://sourceforge.net/projects/mi-/ Joe On Jan 24, 2005, at 11:51 AM, Jamie McParland wrote: > Did you have to create an account for each staff member or do you have > some > sort of ldap solution working on the back end (please say ldap I got > 500 > staff members *grin*) > > Jamie > Newberg Public Schools. > > >> From: Joseph Morelock >> Reply-To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." >> >> Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:48:23 -0800 >> To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." >> >> Subject: Re: RE[K12OSN] Content Management System ? >> >> We are using it for our high school teachers who wanted an easy/quick >> way to communicate via the web with students and their parents. Check >> out the result at: http://resources.canby.k12.or.us/staffblogs/ >> >> >> Joe >> >> >> On Jan 20, 2005, at 7:49 PM, Bryant Patten wrote: >> >>> Does anyone have any experience (pro or con) with Drupal? >>> >>> www.drupal.org >>> >>> >>> On Jan 20, 2005, at 8:58 PM, k12osn-request at redhat.com wrote: >>> >>>> [K12OSN] Content Management System ? >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >>> >> Joseph Morelock >> Director of Network & Information Services >> Canby School District >> morelocj at canby.k12.or.us >> 503.266.7861 >> >> Abstention from any aleatory undertaking precludes a potential >> escalation of a lucrative nature. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > Joseph Morelock Director of Network & Information Services Canby School District morelocj at canby.k12.or.us 503.266.7861 Abstention from any aleatory undertaking precludes a potential escalation of a lucrative nature. From cliebow at downeast.net Mon Jan 24 23:56:21 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 23:56:21 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] VNC Reflector Not Working Message-ID: <200501242259.j0OMxHW01953@downeast.net> there is a howto by derek dresser on the wiki relating to sshvnc-applet which needs vnc via xinetd..i had this when we talked but it would not bind for me without manuyally st prob i havnt figured out..chuckarting vnvserver..there is a n auth prob i havnt figured out..chuck > He starting vncserverllo! > > Yes come join us on IRC, I have been trying to get this to work and have > been logging into #ltsp (thank you cliebow for helping). I would really > like to get it to work, but take it one step further, I'd like it to > work with TeacherTool. Hope to see you on the IRC guys. I probably won't > be there today, I'm over-budget on my time, but will be in Monday. > > BTW, I wonder if these instructions were written for an installation > that used vnc running under xinetd?Could this have anything to do with > it? At some point this week I (with much help) had it working somehow > but I got a new instance of a desktop instead of connecting to the > teacherdemo desktop. Cliebow said there was a howto that rjune wrote on > vnc and xinetd. I went looking for that this morning. Didn't find that > howto, but did find some stuff on both wiki's about vnc and xinetd. It > seems to me that what vnc is designed to do under xinetd -- is to give > each user from whatever type of system an ltsp desktop so they can use > an application on the terminal server. > > I am very confused. Maybe I shouldn't have tried to explain my state of > confusion. > > Rita Gibson > RMSELTech > > > > cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > > >why not pop into #ltsp on freenode.net. a couple of us been wrestling with > >it this week..cliebow > > > > > > > >>Hi there everyone! > >> > >>I am having some difficulty getting VNC Reflector working on our Fedora > >>Core 2 LTSP installation. I have followed the steps from David (which are > >>updated by Robert), but still no success! > >> > >>I successfully built the vncreflector file and moved it to another folder, > >>in this case /opt/vncreflector/ > >> > >>In this folder, I have created the PASSWD_FILE and placed the passwords in > >>there as follows: > >>teacheruser > >>student > >> > >>I then created the startreflector script and chmod it to allow executable > >>access. The script runs fine. I inserted: > >>/opt/vncreflector/vncreflector -p PASSWD_FILE -i PID_FILE -l 5999 > >>HOST_INFO_FILE > >> > >>I then run the vncpasswd /usr/local/share/passwd command. I enter > >>"student" as the password. > >>I then ran: chmod 755 /usr/local/share/passwd > >>Success so far. > >> > >>I start the server with no difficulty, the server starts with no errors in > >>the log. It states: > >> > >>VNC Reflector 1.2.4. Copyright (C) 2001-2003 HorizonLive.com, Inc. > >> > >>HorizonLive provides e-Learning and collaborative synchronous presentation > >>solutions in a totally Web-based environment. For more information about > >>HorizonLive, please see our website at http://www.horizonlive.com/ > >> > >>Starting in the background, see the log file for errors and other messages. > >> > >>Here's where I experience problems: > >> > >>When I run vncviewer localhost:99 and enter "teacheruser". The connection > >>drops with the following error: > >> > >>Thu Jan 20 16:01:35 2005 > >> CConn: connected to host localhost port 5999 > >> CConnection: Server supports RFB protocol version 3.3 > >> CConnection: Using RFB protocol version 3.3 > >> > >>Thu Jan 20 16:01:38 2005 > >> main: End of stream > >> > >>There is an "End of stream" message. I have verified that the password is > >>correct, as when I type in the wrong password, I clearly get an > >>authentication error message. > >> > >>I have verified that vncserver is running, because when I type in > >>vncviewer localhost:1 I get a connection to the login screen. > >> > >>I can also verify that when I launch vncreflector, it connects to the VNC > >>session because of the following log entries: > >> > >>20/01/05 15:59:57 + Starting VNC Reflector 1.2.4 > >>20/01/05 15:59:57 - Switched to the background mode > >>20/01/05 15:59:57 * Using only 8 first bytes of a longer password > >>20/01/05 15:59:57 * Host password not specified, assuming no auth > >>20/01/05 15:59:57 + Connecting to localhost, port 5901 > >>20/01/05 15:59:57 + Connection established > >>20/01/05 15:59:58 - Remote RFB Protocol version is 3.8 > >>20/01/05 15:59:58 * Protocol sub-version does not match (ignoring) > >>20/01/05 15:59:58 + No authentication required at host side > >>20/01/05 15:59:58 + Remote desktop geometry is 800x600 > >>20/01/05 15:59:58 - Remote desktop name: x11 > >>20/01/05 15:59:58 + Activating new host connection > >> > >>Just to see if there is a VNC connection issue with LTSP, I changed the > >>host file to point to a PC with VNC Server on it, and the results were > >>exactly the same.. confirming that it happens with all vnc servers I try > >>to connect to. > >> > >>Maybe I'm missing something? Does anyone have any ideas? > >> > >>Thanks! > >> > >>Alan Owen > >>Hermon School District > >>Hermon, ME > >> > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From prentice at instruction.com Tue Jan 25 01:10:36 2005 From: prentice at instruction.com (Dave Prentice) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 19:10:36 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Exam Generator Programs Message-ID: <01c5027a$ad1aaf40$6500000a@Dave.HOME> To anybody interested in test generating programs, I emailed Pearson Education, the source for the TestGen and TestWorks programs used for many subject areas. Here is the correspondence: >Hi Dave -- We currently have no plans to produce a Linux version, but I will pass your request on to the >Pearson Education TestGen project manager to consider for the future. I know that Linux is very popular in >some areas and in some disciplines, so if we get enough requests, we might be able to produce a Linux >version. (Tamarack would love to do this, but we work with Pearson Education and mainly focus on the most >critical needs for the testing/assessment market.) >We appreciate your feedback and will consider it in our overall development plans. Thanks. >C.S. >>"Dave Prentice" writes: >>Dear SIrs, >> I am a high school teacher who uses Linux in my classroom network, as do many other teachers. Are there >>any plans to release a Linux-compatible version of your TestWorks software? You would have a >>ready-made market among us frustrated teachers who see the advantages of Linux. >>Thanks, >>Dave Prentice >>prentice at instruction.com >Carol Schultz >Tamarack Software >601 W. Golf Road - Suite 201 >Mount Prospect, IL 60056 >Phone: 847-439-7795 Fax: 847-439-7796 >Find us on the web at http://www.tamarack-software.com She said if they get enough requests they might be able to produce a Linux version. Anybody else interested? Dave Prentice ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------- From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Tue Jan 25 08:57:32 2005 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 08:57:32 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Cups deleting jobs In-Reply-To: <1106594423.10283.31.camel@bigsanta.berthit> References: <1106590078.10286.23.camel@bigsanta.berthit> <41F549D5.3000707@paasda.org> <1106594423.10283.31.camel@bigsanta.berthit> Message-ID: <200501250857.33269.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> On Monday 24 Jan 2005 7:20 pm, Jesper Berth wrote: > Yes i know i can do that, but i would like to make a script there each > night removed all jobs it couldn't print. I am not always near a > computer with internet acces, so if it could run automatic every night > that would be great :-) Probably the easiest way is to setup roots crontab to run cancel -a and all the print jobs will go to the bit bucket. -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From petre at maltzen.net Tue Jan 25 14:20:52 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 08:20:52 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Cups deleting jobs In-Reply-To: <1106594423.10283.31.camel@bigsanta.berthit> References: <1106590078.10286.23.camel@bigsanta.berthit> <41F549D5.3000707@paasda.org> <1106594423.10283.31.camel@bigsanta.berthit> Message-ID: <41F655C4.3060503@maltzen.net> Those are all the unprinted jobs. The c123456 file is the control file, which contains info about which printer the job is supposed to be delivered to. The d123456 file is the data file which is the data to be printed. Yes, a script that removes those files would clear the queue. But a better approach would be to figure out why those jobs aren't getting printed. Petre Jesper Berth wrote: > Yes i know i can do that, but i would like to make a script there each > night removed all jobs it couldn't print. I am not always near a > computer with internet acces, so if it could run automatic every night > that would be great :-) > > Jesper > > > >>with ssh you should be able to login...then >> >>links or lynx http://localhost:631/ to access your CUPS web interface... >>there you can restart the printer for them...manage jobs as well I believe.. >> >>--Huck >> >>Jesper Berth wrote: >> >> >>>Hi >>> >>>I have a small problem with cups, I have just recieved a phonecall from >>>my school that they can't print. >>> >>>I have ssh acces to the school, and if i do >>> >>>ls -al /var/spool/cups >>> >>>i get a long list of jobs some starting with c***** and are only ~570 in >>>size others d*****-001 and are much larger in size. These are the >>>printed and not printed jobs right?? >>> >>>Can i just delete these?? >>> >>>Jesper >>> >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see From chandler_a at sgusd.k12.ca.us Tue Jan 25 14:26:22 2005 From: chandler_a at sgusd.k12.ca.us (chandler_a) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 06:26:22 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 11, Issue 85 Message-ID: <842609483@mail.sgusd.k12.ca.us> I will be at LACOE for a seminar January 25-26th. I will respond to your message as soon as possible upon my return. Thank you Adam Chandler From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Tue Jan 25 14:47:24 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 06:47:24 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] NECC 2005 In-Reply-To: <415DAE32.8020304@mtwp.k12.pa.us> References: <415DAE32.8020304@mtwp.k12.pa.us> Message-ID: Did you ever submit a proposal with them? I tapped into this one too late, but I have made contact with them about setting up the "email garden." Steve On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 15:21:22 -0400, Mike Lichtenwalner wrote: > It was just brought to my attention that NECC 2005 will be held in > Philadelphia (relatively close to home!), and presentation proposals are > due by October 6 (very soon). > > Has anyone submitted proposals related to K12LTSP? If so, I'll let one > of you "big guns" take it. If not, I might submit a proposal so that we > can continue to spread the good word about K12LTSP. > > Mike > _________________________________ > Mike Lichtenwalner > Technology Specialist > Manheim Township School District > Lancaster, PA > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Steve Hargadon 916-652-8600 ext. 711 From mll at mtwp.k12.pa.us Tue Jan 25 15:03:55 2005 From: mll at mtwp.k12.pa.us (Mike Lichtenwalner) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 10:03:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] NECC 2005 In-Reply-To: References: <415DAE32.8020304@mtwp.k12.pa.us> Message-ID: <41F65FDB.7020500@mtwp.k12.pa.us> I submitted a proposal for an hour presentation on K12LTSP, but it was rejected. Steve, if you are given permission to provide the "email garden" and would like a hand, please let me know. See ya! Mike Steve Hargadon wrote: > Did you ever submit a proposal with them? > > I tapped into this one too late, but I have made contact with them > about setting up the "email garden." > > Steve > > > On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 15:21:22 -0400, Mike Lichtenwalner > wrote: > >>It was just brought to my attention that NECC 2005 will be held in >>Philadelphia (relatively close to home!), and presentation proposals are >>due by October 6 (very soon). >> >>Has anyone submitted proposals related to K12LTSP? If so, I'll let one >>of you "big guns" take it. If not, I might submit a proposal so that we >>can continue to spread the good word about K12LTSP. >> >>Mike >>_________________________________ >>Mike Lichtenwalner >>Technology Specialist >>Manheim Township School District >>Lancaster, PA >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> > > From spowers at inlandlakes.org Tue Jan 25 15:17:25 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 10:17:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Printers on thin clients problem Message-ID: <41F66305.7010902@inlandlakes.org> I am running 4.0.1, with about 110 thin clients in our district. Local printing is working great (we're sharing samsung 1740 laser printers) -- but every few days, the printers stop working. Sometimes there is an error page that prints out, sometimes not. It always happens in the middle of the school day, and although rebooting the thin client solves the problem, it's not really feasible at any given time to do so. This is especially true since it's usually the classroom across the hall trying to print, since we have to share printers among classrooms. Is there a known issue with local printing? Anyone have any ideas about how to debug the problem? Any chance upgrading to 4.2 would help? -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Tue Jan 25 15:48:06 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 07:48:06 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] NECC 2005 In-Reply-To: <41F65FDB.7020500@mtwp.k12.pa.us> References: <415DAE32.8020304@mtwp.k12.pa.us> <41F65FDB.7020500@mtwp.k12.pa.us> Message-ID: Thanks. Will do. Good try, by the way. On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 10:03:55 -0500, Mike Lichtenwalner wrote: > I submitted a proposal for an hour presentation on K12LTSP, but it was > rejected. > > Steve, if you are given permission to provide the "email garden" and > would like a hand, please let me know. > > See ya! > Mike > > > Steve Hargadon wrote: > > Did you ever submit a proposal with them? > > > > I tapped into this one too late, but I have made contact with them > > about setting up the "email garden." > > > > Steve > > > > > > On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 15:21:22 -0400, Mike Lichtenwalner > > wrote: > > > >>It was just brought to my attention that NECC 2005 will be held in > >>Philadelphia (relatively close to home!), and presentation proposals are > >>due by October 6 (very soon). > >> > >>Has anyone submitted proposals related to K12LTSP? If so, I'll let one > >>of you "big guns" take it. If not, I might submit a proposal so that we > >>can continue to spread the good word about K12LTSP. > >> > >>Mike > >>_________________________________ > >>Mike Lichtenwalner > >>Technology Specialist > >>Manheim Township School District > >>Lancaster, PA > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>K12OSN mailing list > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>For more info see > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Steve Hargadon 916-652-8600 ext. 711 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Jan 25 17:55:15 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 12:55:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] good how-to on setting up an application server Message-ID: Anyone able to point me to a good how-to on setting up an application server? I'd like to try setting up another server to run either Firefox or OpenOffice. I remember seeing something here about that, but can't seem to locate it. I'd like to make it "passwordless" and easy. Let me know...thx. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From petre at maltzen.net Tue Jan 25 17:49:58 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 11:49:58 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] good how-to on setting up an application server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41F686C6.107@maltzen.net> http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net/k12ltsp/appserverI.htm The above is from Gavin's collection of how-to's. There's link to his site on the wiki. Petre David Trask wrote: > Anyone able to point me to a good how-to on setting up an application > server? I'd like to try setting up another server to run either Firefox > or OpenOffice. I remember seeing something here about that, but can't > seem to locate it. I'd like to make it "passwordless" and easy. Let me > know...thx. > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Jan 25 18:12:05 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 13:12:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] good how-to on setting up an application server In-Reply-To: <41F686C6.107@maltzen.net> References: <41F686C6.107@maltzen.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, January 25, 2005 at 12:49 PM +0000 wrote: >http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net/k12ltsp/appserverI.htm > >The above is from Gavin's collection of how-to's. There's link to his >site on >the wiki. > >Petre thanks....I remembered shortly after my post where I'd seen it ;-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From gumprechtm at msln.net Tue Jan 25 18:23:47 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 13:23:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] sata drives Message-ID: <41F68EB3.8000806@msln.net> Is there a problem with barracuda 160gb 7200rpm drives? I am trying to setup a sata raid server for ltsp I have 2 seagates on a ich5r intel raid type server. The barracudas hangup the install, but if I put a hitachi 160gb in there, it works fine. I wanted to setup suse 9.2 as the base system ( it sees and autoloads the dm modules). I fully loaded the hitachi, works great. Tried the seagates one at a time and both lockup the boot disk. Tried loading a scsi drive then adding in the sata drives. They are seen but are inaccessable. Any thoughts? Mark -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, Maine gumprechtm at msln.net From gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tue Jan 25 20:20:52 2005 From: gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk (Gavin Spurgeon) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 20:20:52 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] good how-to on setting up an application server References: <41F686C6.107@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <005e01c5031b$5e1e1fc0$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Hi David & List.. David, if you have a go @ my HOWTO, any chance you could report back to the list how it gose... Good or Bad reports welcome... Best Regards Gavin Spurgeon Assistant Systems Administrator gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tel: 01322 620400 DDI: 01322 620501 IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 ############################################# Unofficial K12LTSP HOWTOz & Extraz Site (http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net) ############################################# From lucanavo at libero.it Tue Jan 25 21:20:45 2005 From: lucanavo at libero.it (Luca Navone) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 22:20:45 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Problem with kde In-Reply-To: References: <20050121015844.F1A82732A0@hormel.redhat.com> <7E0B6A06-6B5F-11D9-9DD7-000393AE464E@whitenitro.com> Message-ID: <20050125222045.2caf39bd.lucanavo@libero.it> Hallo. I've two problems. 1) Is there anyway for setting kde as default gui for all users? I set it for root with "Desktop switching tool" and for root kde is now the default gui, but not for the users. Every time a user login in a client the default gui is gnome. 2) I've added some program with kmenuedit from root in the kde's menu. When I login as user I can't see the new voice in the menu. Is there some way for make the new voice visible from any users? Thank you. From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Jan 25 21:56:54 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 15:56:54 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Single NIC install/LTSP on Yellow Dog Message-ID: <002301c50328$c82a2eb0$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> Two things really 1. Does anyone have an up to date list of what to change for a single nic install? 2. Does anyone know if it is possible to install k12ltsp onto yellow dog? Would the following potentially work: A) perform a standard desktop Yellow Dog install B) Download and install k12ltsp-release package rpm -ihv ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.0/RPMS/k12ltsp/k12ltsp-rel ease-4.2.0-0.noarch.rpm C) Install k12ltsp packages yum install k12ltsp-core k12ltsp-extras k12ltsp-utils k12ltsp-education D) Configure k12ltsp /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/K12Linux-LTSP-initialize Let me know if I am way out there or if this may actually work. Just not sure if the noarch.rpm will install on the PPC architecture. Thanks, Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From cliebow at downeast.net Tue Jan 25 22:40:38 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 22:40:38 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Single NIC install/LTSP on Yellow Dog Message-ID: <200501252143.j0PLhRp14892@downeast.net> if yellowdog can do tftp dhcp nfs and xdmcp,which it does, should be trivial,especially since it is redhat based..even windows can bbe a server if it is has those services available..chuck > Two things really > cp > 1. Does anyone have an up to date list of what to change for a single > nic install? > > 2. Does anyone know if it is pellowdogossible to install k12ltsp onto yellow > dog? Would the following potentially work: > > A) perform a standard desktop Yellow Dog install > B) Download and install k12ltsp-release package > rpm -ihv > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.0/RPMS/k12ltsp/k12ltsp-rel > ease-4.2.0-0.noarch.rpm > > C) Install k12ltsp packages > yum install k12ltsp-core k12ltsp-extras k12ltsp-utils > k12ltsp-education > > D) Configure k12ltsp > /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/K12Linux-LTSP-initialize > > Let me know if I am way out there or if this may actually work. Just > not sure if the noarch.rpm will install on the PPC architecture. > > Thanks, > > Jim Kronebusch > Cotter Tech Department > 507-453-5188 > jim at winonacotter.org > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From phealy at dsusd.k12.ca.us Tue Jan 25 23:51:15 2005 From: phealy at dsusd.k12.ca.us (Patrick Healy) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 15:51:15 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] icewm problem with fix suggestion Message-ID: <1106697075.11281.19.camel@crux> I use icewm exclusively on my server, but noticed since upgrading to K12LTSP 4.2, that icewmbg and icewmtray were using a lot of resources. Yesterday, I was running a load average of over 50, while the system crawled. I fixed it by: chmod -x /usr/bin/icewmbg chmod -x /usr/bin/icewmtray This was by using the installed version: icewm-1.2.17-0.k12ltsp.0.4.2 I noticed that icewm.org lists version 1.2.20 as current, and that these problems were fixed in 1.2.18pre1: Change Log 1.2.18pre1: 2004-12-05: * disable SupportsSemitransparency by default, this makes icewmbg exit after setting the image and reduces memory usage * fix CPU waste in icewm-session and icewmtray see: http://www.icewm.org/changes.php Any chance of an update? Thanks, Patrick Healy Palm Desert High School 43-570 Phyllis Jackson Lane Palm Desert, CA 92260 760-862-4300 x2303 From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Jan 25 23:59:22 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 17:59:22 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Single NIC install/LTSP on Yellow Dog In-Reply-To: <200501252143.j0PLhRp14892@downeast.net> References: <200501252143.j0PLhRp14892@downeast.net> Message-ID: <20050125235458.M59000@winonacotter.org> > if yellowdog can do tftp dhcp nfs and xdmcp,which it does, should be > trivial,especially since it is redhat based..even windows can bbe a server > if it is has those services available..chuck Thanks Chuck. I'll continue on my quest then. I wanted a portable ltsp system to bring to linux world but the only thing I have portable is a bunch of iBooks. So I thought this would be a perfect chance to try a whole lot of new things. I want to setup one iBook with YDL and k12ltsp as the server (hence the single nic and ydl questions), and then try the info you gave me to boot a couple more iBooks as true thins. I think this will be a fun project. Plus 3 12" snow iBooks should be real easy to bring safely on a plane. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Jan 26 00:21:06 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 19:21:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Single NIC install/LTSP on Yellow Dog In-Reply-To: <20050125235458.M59000@winonacotter.org> References: <200501252143.j0PLhRp14892@downeast.net> <20050125235458.M59000@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, January 25, 2005 at 6:59 PM +0000 wrote: >Thanks Chuck. I'll continue on my quest then. > >I wanted a portable ltsp system to bring to linux world but the only >thing I >have portable is a bunch of iBooks. So I thought this would be a perfect >chance to try a whole lot of new things. I want to setup one iBook with >YDL >and k12ltsp as the server (hence the single nic and ydl questions), and >then >try the info you gave me to boot a couple more iBooks as true thins. I >think this will be a fun project. Plus 3 12" snow iBooks should be real >easy to bring safely on a plane. It'd be cool to know if you pull this off....as I bet a good Xserve might make a kick a** server! Especially with RAID. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Wed Jan 26 00:12:45 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 16:12:45 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] NECC 2005 In-Reply-To: <41F65FDB.7020500@mtwp.k12.pa.us> References: <415DAE32.8020304@mtwp.k12.pa.us> <41F65FDB.7020500@mtwp.k12.pa.us> Message-ID: Mike: I don't want to step on your toes here. I do have roots in that area, and would love to visit and be part of setting this email garden up. (My grandmother was a Lancaster from PA!) I grew up for some years in Swarthmore, and then attended Haverford College for two years. I was so anxious to be a part of this, I hope I didn't respond like a bull in a china shop. Is this something you are comfortable doing together? Or I will take as much responsibility as would be helpful--including doing it all if needed. Steve On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 10:03:55 -0500, Mike Lichtenwalner wrote: > I submitted a proposal for an hour presentation on K12LTSP, but it was > rejected. > > Steve, if you are given permission to provide the "email garden" and > would like a hand, please let me know. > > See ya! > Mike > > > Steve Hargadon wrote: > > Did you ever submit a proposal with them? > > > > I tapped into this one too late, but I have made contact with them > > about setting up the "email garden." > > > > Steve > > > > > > On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 15:21:22 -0400, Mike Lichtenwalner > > wrote: > > > >>It was just brought to my attention that NECC 2005 will be held in > >>Philadelphia (relatively close to home!), and presentation proposals are > >>due by October 6 (very soon). > >> > >>Has anyone submitted proposals related to K12LTSP? If so, I'll let one > >>of you "big guns" take it. If not, I might submit a proposal so that we > >>can continue to spread the good word about K12LTSP. > >> > >>Mike > >>_________________________________ > >>Mike Lichtenwalner > >>Technology Specialist > >>Manheim Township School District > >>Lancaster, PA > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>K12OSN mailing list > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>For more info see > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Steve Hargadon 916-652-8600 ext. 711 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Jan 26 00:39:18 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 19:39:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] icewm problem with fix suggestion In-Reply-To: <1106697075.11281.19.camel@crux> References: <1106697075.11281.19.camel@crux> Message-ID: The problem is the Session script in /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/IceWM runs icewm-session....which actually loads all sorts of things like icewmbg and icewmtray.....which I've found to be useless. I simply edited my Session file (IceWM....see path above) to look like this....notice that icewm-sessions is commented out....(near the very bottom) #!/bin/bash # initiate sound configs if [ -f /etc/profile.d/ltsp-esound.sh ] then . /etc/profile.d/ltsp-esound.sh fi # icewm configurations if [ -f /etc/sysconfig/icewm ] then . /etc/sysconfig/icewm fi # use nautilus? if [ "$ICEWM_USE_NAUTILUS" = "YES" ] then /usr/libexec/gnome-settings-daemon & /usr/bin/nautilus & fi # use session or just plain icewm? if [ "$ICEWM_USE_SESSION" = "YES" ] then # exec /usr/bin/icewm-session exec /usr/bin/icewm else exec /usr/bin/icewm fi "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, January 25, 2005 at 6:51 PM +0000 wrote: >I use icewm exclusively on my server, but noticed since upgrading to >K12LTSP 4.2, that icewmbg and icewmtray were using a lot of resources. >Yesterday, I was running a load average of over 50, while the system >crawled. I fixed it by: > >chmod -x /usr/bin/icewmbg >chmod -x /usr/bin/icewmtray > >This was by using the installed version: >icewm-1.2.17-0.k12ltsp.0.4.2 > >I noticed that icewm.org lists version 1.2.20 as current, >and that these problems were fixed in 1.2.18pre1: > >Change Log >1.2.18pre1: 2004-12-05: >* disable SupportsSemitransparency by default, this makes icewmbg exit >after setting the image and reduces memory usage >* fix CPU waste in icewm-session and icewmtray >see: http://www.icewm.org/changes.php > >Any chance of an update? > >Thanks, > > >Patrick Healy >Palm Desert High School >43-570 Phyllis Jackson Lane >Palm Desert, CA 92260 >760-862-4300 x2303 > David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Jan 26 00:47:06 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 18:47:06 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Single NIC install/LTSP on Yellow Dog In-Reply-To: References: <200501252143.j0PLhRp14892@downeast.net> <20050125235458.M59000@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20050126004542.M8950@winonacotter.org> > It'd be cool to know if you pull this off....as I bet a good Xserve might > make a kick a** server! Especially with RAID. Yeah. I think this will be a good expiriment. I think I have enough info to pull it off. I will try to keep good documentation in case it works. I think this could really give me some flexibility in the future for hardware. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Jan 26 01:33:16 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 19:33:16 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Single NIC install/LTSP on Yellow Dog In-Reply-To: <20050126004542.M8950@winonacotter.org> References: <200501252143.j0PLhRp14892@downeast.net> <20050125235458.M59000@winonacotter.org> <20050126004542.M8950@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20050126012919.M87375@winonacotter.org> I seem to get stuck resolving dependancies because not enough stuff is available for noarch. Here are a the ones that fail for ltsp-core: ltsp_esound_server ltsp_floppyd ltsp_kernel_kitchen-sink ltsp_x_vesa MToolsFM verynice Anyone have suggestions to get around this? In order to get this far I added /etc/yum.conf: [k12ltsp] name=K12LTSP baseurl=ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/yum/fc3/ Then yum install ltsp-core. When I check the ftp site those six packages are only available in i386. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Jan 26 02:20:25 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 18:20:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] icewm problem with fix suggestion In-Reply-To: <1106697075.11281.19.camel@crux> References: <1106697075.11281.19.camel@crux> Message-ID: On Tue, 25 Jan 2005, Patrick Healy wrote: > I use icewm exclusively on my server, but noticed since upgrading to > K12LTSP 4.2, that icewmbg and icewmtray were using a lot of resources. > Yesterday, I was running a load average of over 50, while the system > crawled. I fixed it by: > > chmod -x /usr/bin/icewmbg > chmod -x /usr/bin/icewmtray We added a configuration option for this a little while back. You can turn off sessions (icewmbg & icewmtray) and/or nautilus by editing /etc/sysconfig/icewm more below... > This was by using the installed version: > icewm-1.2.17-0.k12ltsp.0.4.2 > > I noticed that icewm.org lists version 1.2.20 as current, > and that these problems were fixed in 1.2.18pre1: > > Change Log > 1.2.18pre1: 2004-12-05: > * disable SupportsSemitransparency by default, this makes icewmbg exit > after setting the image and reduces memory usage > * fix CPU waste in icewm-session and icewmtray > see: http://www.icewm.org/changes.php > > Any chance of an update? > > Thanks, Yeah, this has been on my TODO list for a couple of weeks now. I finished it up on a layover at SFO late Sunday night ;-) I have not fully tested the new packages yet, so I stuck them in my "testing" directory: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/ Give 'em a spin and let me know if you run into any problems. -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Jan 26 02:21:55 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 18:21:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Problem with kde In-Reply-To: <20050125222045.2caf39bd.lucanavo@libero.it> References: <20050121015844.F1A82732A0@hormel.redhat.com> <7E0B6A06-6B5F-11D9-9DD7-000393AE464E@whitenitro.com> <20050125222045.2caf39bd.lucanavo@libero.it> Message-ID: On Tue, 25 Jan 2005, Luca Navone wrote: > Hallo. I've two problems. > 1) Is there anyway for setting kde as default gui for all users? > I set it for root with "Desktop switching tool" and for root kde is now the default gui, but not for the users. Every time a user login in a client the default gui is gnome. Edit /etc/sysconfig/desktop and change: DESKTOP="GNOME" to: DESKTOP="KDE" > 2) I've added some program with kmenuedit from root in the kde's menu. > When I login as user I can't see the new voice in the menu. Is there some way for make the new voice visible from any users? I'm not sure on this one. -Eric From cliebow at downeast.net Wed Jan 26 02:28:03 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 02:28:03 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Single NIC install/LTSP on Yellow Dog Message-ID: <200501260130.j0Q1Uop14357@downeast.net> lets giet bll cavalieri to have a crack at this.. i have ydk 2.3 on a machine at sachool as welll.chuck > > if yellowdog can do tftp dhcp nfs and xdmcp,which it does, should be > > trivial,especially since it is redhat based..even windows can bbe a server > > if it is has those services available..chuck > > Thanks Chuck. I'll continue on my quest then. > > I wanted a portable ltsp system to bring to linux world but the only thing I > have portable is a bunch of iBooks. So I thought this would be a perfect > chance to try a whole lot of new things. I want to setup one iBook with YDL > and k12ltsp as the server (hence the single nic and ydl questions), and then > try the info you gave me to boot a couple more iBooks as true thins. I > think this will be a fun project. Plus 3 12" snow iBooks should be real > easy to bring safely on a plane. > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From sbetts at msad71.net Wed Jan 26 03:06:44 2005 From: sbetts at msad71.net (Sharon Betts) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 22:06:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] NECC 2005 In-Reply-To: References: <415DAE32.8020304@mtwp.k12.pa.us> < > < > <41F65FDB.7020500@mtwp.k12.pa.us> Message-ID: Hi all, I am not doing a presentation on K12LTSP -- but am scheduled to do one on our open source portal. Sharon MSAD#71 Director of Educational Technology sbetts at msad71.net http://www.msad71.net 207-985-1100 I think in terms of the day's resolutions, not the year's. - Henry Moore From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Jan 26 03:15:15 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 19:15:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] yum update webmin public key not available In-Reply-To: <1178.24.2.210.202.1106345773.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> References: <9bd317560501211050b5740ff@mail.gmail.com> <32854.192.168.0.54.1106334845.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> <1178.24.2.210.202.1106345773.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> Message-ID: On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us wrote: > Found a solution from Eric in a July posting. > > rpm --import ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/GPG-keys/webmin.asc > I also noticed that I missed loading the Livna key (for those outside the USA). I fixed that and included the Webmin key as well. While the updated "k12ltsp-release" package will include the additional keys, apt/up2date/yum will not automatically load them. You can make sure all the keys needed for K12LTSP packages are included by running this command after the k12ltsp-release package has been updated: /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/import-gpg-keys -Eric From robark at telus.net Wed Jan 26 05:11:09 2005 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 21:11:09 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] icewm problem with fix suggestion In-Reply-To: References: <1106697075.11281.19.camel@crux> Message-ID: <41F7266D.1090502@telus.net> David Trask wrote: >#!/bin/bash > ># initiate sound configs >if [ -f /etc/profile.d/ltsp-esound.sh ] >then > . /etc/profile.d/ltsp-esound.sh >fi > ># icewm configurations >if [ -f /etc/sysconfig/icewm ] >then > . /etc/sysconfig/icewm >fi > ># use nautilus? >if [ "$ICEWM_USE_NAUTILUS" = "YES" ] >then > /usr/libexec/gnome-settings-daemon & > /usr/bin/nautilus & >fi > ># use session or just plain icewm? >if [ "$ICEWM_USE_SESSION" = "YES" ] >then ># exec /usr/bin/icewm-session > exec /usr/bin/icewm >else > exec /usr/bin/icewm >fi > > > what does the gnome settings daemon do? /usr/libexec/gnome-settings-daemon & Also what's the benefit of launching icewm with "exec" -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V219 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Jan 26 05:26:50 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 21:26:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] icewm problem with fix suggestion In-Reply-To: <41F7266D.1090502@telus.net> References: <1106697075.11281.19.camel@crux> <41F7266D.1090502@telus.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 25 Jan 2005, Robert Arkiletian wrote: >> # use nautilus? >> if [ "$ICEWM_USE_NAUTILUS" = "YES" ] >> then >> /usr/libexec/gnome-settings-daemon & >> /usr/bin/nautilus & >> fi >> >> # use session or just plain icewm? >> if [ "$ICEWM_USE_SESSION" = "YES" ] >> then >> # exec /usr/bin/icewm-session >> exec /usr/bin/icewm >> else >> exec /usr/bin/icewm >> fi > what does the gnome settings daemon do? > > /usr/libexec/gnome-settings-daemon & It sets up the GNOME settings - mouse, icons, wallpaper, etc. Nautilus does not run well without gnome-settings-daemon > Also what's the benefit of launching icewm with "exec" >From "man exec"... exec [-cl] [-a name] [command [arguments]] If command is specified, it replaces the shell. No new process is created.
Basically it saves resources by not having useless shell processes hanging around. -Eric From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Jan 26 14:03:01 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 08:03:01 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Single NIC install/LTSP on Yellow Dog In-Reply-To: <200501260130.j0Q1Uop14357@downeast.net> Message-ID: <000201c503af$bf2bb540$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> > lets giet bll cavalieri to have a crack at this.. > i have ydk 2.3 on a machine at sachool as welll.chuck Cool. I was going to try and find the source files for the needed dependancies today to see if I could compile them on YDL. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From mark at tsd53.ca Wed Jan 26 15:35:18 2005 From: mark at tsd53.ca (Mark Raine) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 09:35:18 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Still broken ..... ssh agent stays running In-Reply-To: <20050122095325.M29299@tsd53.ca> References: <20050122095325.M29299@tsd53.ca> Message-ID: <20050126153417.M87829@tsd53.ca> On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 04:01:21 -0600, Mark Raine wrote > Hello > > Using the new release of K12 4.2. The only issue seems to be that after > a user logs off 2 processes stay running. They are ssh agent and I > think the second is gconf2 ( writing from home so not sure of second > process). If the user logs on 5 times there will be 5 sets of > processes. Each is only a few meg but it adds up. It is an issue at > all 4 locations. The users are using ice by default but the option > for gnome is there. > > Thanks for any help > > Mark > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see Mark Raine Computer Services Coordinator Tisdale School Division #53 mark at tsd53.ca 306 873-2352 EXT: 505 From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Jan 26 17:34:35 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 11:34:35 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] How to install from .src.rpm Message-ID: <002301c503cd$4d863ff0$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> This may be a stupid question, but here goes. How do I install from *.src.rpm? Trying to get things running on YDL is forcing me to find src packages since a lot of the needed dependancies are .i386.rpm. Also for the packages that I cannot find in .src.rpm where would I go to get the source files (not in rpm form)? Here is a list of the packages that I cannot find as of yet: Deps needed by ltsp-core ltsp_esound_server ltsp_floppyd ltsp_kernel_kitchen-sink ltsp_x_vesa MToolsFM verynice root-desktop-urls Deps needed by ltsp-extras icemc icewm icewm-110n icewm-menu-gnome2 gnome-themes-extras You get the point. I am sure that some of these are not needed and can be avoided with rpm --nodeps once I get as close as possible. Can anyone tell me which of these are uneeded? I am assuming I absolutely need anything that starts with ltsp_*. Thanks Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org Wed Jan 26 17:58:46 2005 From: aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org (aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:58:46 -0500 Subject: RE[K12OSN] Content Management System ? Message-ID: <2937731742.1106744326@[10.2.60.127]> Hi Sharon, Moodle is awesome. I use it for class content delivery, not a CMS, BUT it has great CMS tools. The WYSIWYG editor is great and works in non-IE browsers. The themes are easy to customize. I am stuck in between moodle as a CMS and phpwebsite as a CMS. Phpwebsite is slick and has a lot of built it functions. I have also customized some of the RSS stuff to connect to another calendar system. Both require a bit more server, than plain .html sites. Have you seen this http://www.cmsmatrix.org ? On the linux web server side, in the past I compiled apache from the apachetoolbox project, but now I use XAMPP ( an Apache, PHP, MySQL pre-compiled binary distro) with great success on RH 7.3. Good Luck, Tom Ventresco From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Jan 26 18:57:40 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:57:40 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Single NIC install/LTSP on Yellow Dog In-Reply-To: <000201c503af$bf2bb540$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <002401c503d8$e8c9b680$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> > > lets giet bll cavalieri to have a crack at this.. > > i have ydk 2.3 on a machine at sachool as welll.chuck > > Cool. I was going to try and find the source files for the > needed dependancies today to see if I could compile them on YDL. Success! Well partially at least. I have YDL with apparently enough of ltsp running on it to boot a Term150. I was unable to load the educational package due to unresolved dependancies but who cares right now, it works :-) Now I will take what Chuck has given me and see if I can get another iBook to boot from it. If anyone has any suggestions on a way to resolve my failed dependancies for the ppc arch before I have to start compliling all of the software from scratch that would be great. I'll keep you posted. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From mrambo at lsd.k12.mi.us Wed Jan 26 18:56:57 2005 From: mrambo at lsd.k12.mi.us (Mike Rambo) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 13:56:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] How to install from .src.rpm In-Reply-To: <002301c503cd$4d863ff0$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <002301c503cd$4d863ff0$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <41F7E7F9.3040908@lsd.k12.mi.us> Jim Kronebusch wrote: > This may be a stupid question, but here goes. How do I install from > *.src.rpm? Trying to get things running on YDL is forcing me to find You need to build the binary RPM from the .src.rpm. Something like: rpmbuild --rebuild blah.src.rpm I think you will find the resulting binary rpm in /usr/src/redhat/RPMS or something similar. Don't know if that changes for Fedora. On my Mandrake box it's /usr/src/RPM/RPMS. Install the resulting binary RPM in the usual way. -- Mike Rambo mrambo at lsd.k12.mi.us Many today claim to be tolerant. True tolerance, however, can cope with others being intolerant. -Nigel Cunningham From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Jan 26 19:01:17 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 13:01:17 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] How to install from .src.rpm In-Reply-To: <41F7E7F9.3040908@lsd.k12.mi.us> Message-ID: <002501c503d9$69ffde50$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> > You need to build the binary RPM from the .src.rpm. Something like: > > rpmbuild --rebuild blah.src.rpm > > I think you will find the resulting binary rpm in > /usr/src/redhat/RPMS > or something similar. Don't know if that changes for Fedora. On my > Mandrake box it's /usr/src/RPM/RPMS. Install the resulting > binary RPM in > the usual way. I tried that but YDL says that rpmbuild is not a recognized command. Does YDL use a little different rpm package or do I need to install something else to obtain rpmbuild like a devel package? -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Jan 26 20:05:34 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:05:34 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Single NIC install/LTSP on Yellow Dog In-Reply-To: <002401c503d8$e8c9b680$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <003d01c503e2$65387c20$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> > Success! Well partially at least. I have YDL with > apparently enough of ltsp running on it to boot a Term150. I > was unable to load the educational package due to unresolved > dependancies but who cares right now, it works :-) Now I > will take what Chuck has given me and see if I can get > another iBook to boot from it. Okay I have installed all of the info obtained from Chuck and tried booting the iBook. It starts yaboot and I get an Elf message saying it failed trying to identify the ethernet/machine/etc. I will try taking the yaboot.conf from the working YDL iBook and replacing it to see if that works. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Jan 26 20:21:03 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:21:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Single NIC install/LTSP on Yellow Dog In-Reply-To: <002401c503d8$e8c9b680$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <002401c503d8$e8c9b680$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, January 26, 2005 at 1:57 PM +0000 wrote: >Success! Well partially at least. I have YDL with apparently enough of >ltsp running on it to boot a Term150. I was unable to load the >educational package due to unresolved dependancies but who cares right >now, it works :-) Now I will take what Chuck has given me and see if I >can get another iBook to boot from it. > >If anyone has any suggestions on a way to resolve my failed dependancies >for the ppc arch before I have to start compliling all of the software >from scratch that would be great. > >I'll keep you posted. What're you using for a server? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Jan 26 20:21:03 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:21:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Single NIC install/LTSP on Yellow Dog In-Reply-To: <002401c503d8$e8c9b680$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <002401c503d8$e8c9b680$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, January 26, 2005 at 1:57 PM +0000 wrote: >Success! Well partially at least. I have YDL with apparently enough of >ltsp running on it to boot a Term150. I was unable to load the >educational package due to unresolved dependancies but who cares right >now, it works :-) Now I will take what Chuck has given me and see if I >can get another iBook to boot from it. > >If anyone has any suggestions on a way to resolve my failed dependancies >for the ppc arch before I have to start compliling all of the software >from scratch that would be great. > >I'll keep you posted. What're you using for a server? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From les at futuresource.com Wed Jan 26 20:44:22 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:44:22 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] How to install from .src.rpm In-Reply-To: <002501c503d9$69ffde50$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <002501c503d9$69ffde50$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1106772261.18125.143.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-01-26 at 13:01, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > You need to build the binary RPM from the .src.rpm. Something like: > > > > rpmbuild --rebuild blah.src.rpm > > > > I think you will find the resulting binary rpm in > > /usr/src/redhat/RPMS > > or something similar. Don't know if that changes for Fedora. On my > > Mandrake box it's /usr/src/RPM/RPMS. Install the resulting > > binary RPM in > > the usual way. > > I tried that but YDL says that rpmbuild is not a recognized command. > Does YDL use a little different rpm package or do I need to install > something else to obtain rpmbuild like a devel package? Earlier versions of rpm had the --rebuild function included in the rpm program itself so you might find it there. The current fedora version has been split into rpm and rpmbuild as separate commands. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Jan 26 21:40:58 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:40:58 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Single NIC install/LTSP on Yellow Dog In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003e01c503ef$b8c459b0$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> > What're you using for a server? Since I want something portable to bring to Boston I am using an Apple iBook 500Mhz with 576MB RAM. Definitely not an ideal setup but I would like to bring a mobile lab with me and I have a bunch of iBooks. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From odin at myeye.mine.nu Wed Jan 26 20:44:51 2005 From: odin at myeye.mine.nu (Odin Nosen) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 21:44:51 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Sis900 NIC and the "Media link off"-problem Message-ID: <20050126204343.M80461@myeye.mine.nu> I"ve got several IBM NetVista X40 machines and they all got a SIS900 NIC (low profile PCI). When I use etherboot (sis900:sis900) the card initializes, get the boot image (pxelinux.0) from the dhcp and ends up with a "eth0: Media link off" when it should find the 100mb full duplex media it connects to. If I use a floppy with the etherboot image I get the "eth0: Media link off" and it tries to get an IP from the dhcp server, and needless to say, that doesn"t work. I've tried etherboot v5.3.12, 5.2.6 and 5.0.10 - all with the same result. Is there anything I can do to make this work? I would love to use these NetVista-machines as thin LTSP-clients... "!" from Odin From lucanavo at libero.it Wed Jan 26 21:48:37 2005 From: lucanavo at libero.it (Luca Navone) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:48:37 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Problem with kde In-Reply-To: References: <20050121015844.F1A82732A0@hormel.redhat.com> <7E0B6A06-6B5F-11D9-9DD7-000393AE464E@whitenitro.com> <20050125222045.2caf39bd.lucanavo@libero.it> Message-ID: <20050126224837.123e2e5d.lucanavo@libero.it> Thanks! Tomorrow I'll try your tip. The second problem is very strange. It's not possible that an administrator add a voice in kde menu for everyone of 260 users.... There will be a way for chang only a time for all. I try also webmin but I don't find anything. Thanks. On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 18:21:55 -0800 (PST) Eric Harrison wrote: > On Tue, 25 Jan 2005, Luca Navone wrote: > > > Hallo. I've two problems. > > 1) Is there anyway for setting kde as default gui for all users? > > I set it for root with "Desktop switching tool" and for root kde is now the default gui, but not for the users. Every time a user login in a client the default gui is gnome. > > Edit /etc/sysconfig/desktop and change: > > DESKTOP="GNOME" > > to: > > DESKTOP="KDE" > > > 2) I've added some program with kmenuedit from root in the kde's menu. > > When I login as user I can't see the new voice in the menu. Is there some way for make the new voice visible from any users? > > I'm not sure on this one. > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jdavis at standard.k12.ca.us Wed Jan 26 21:55:15 2005 From: jdavis at standard.k12.ca.us (Jeff Davis) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 13:55:15 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] AR/STAR Take XXXXXVI (give or take a few) Message-ID: <41F811C3.3040502@standard.k12.ca.us> I'm sure this has been asked and/or answered here before - Can k12ltsp allow the linux terminals to run AR/STAR via wine or ??? This would be part one of a two part holy grail. The other would be MS Access (yuck). Thanks. -- Jefferson K. Davis Technology and Information Systems Manager Standard School District 1200 North Chester Ave Bakersfield, CA 93308 USA 661-392-2110 ext 120 From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Jan 26 22:02:32 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:02:32 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] XDMCP INET6 socket connection failed Message-ID: <003f01c503f2$bc2e7f60$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> Okay, I made some yaboot.conf and /etc/exports changes and am now booting my an iBook from my iBook server. Now I just have to get X running. It boots into a prompt but startx fails with the error XDMCP INET6 udp socket connection failed. The Term150 still boots from the iBook so the standard booting still works. Any ideas on where to go from here? Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jam at mcquil.com Wed Jan 26 22:38:16 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:38:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] XDMCP INET6 socket connection failed In-Reply-To: <003f01c503f2$bc2e7f60$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <003f01c503f2$bc2e7f60$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: Jim, Are you sure that INET6 problem is a fatal error ? I've seen it lots of times, and it was just a warning. It should fall back to IPv4 with no problem. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Wed, 26 Jan 2005, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Okay, I made some yaboot.conf and /etc/exports changes and am now > booting my an iBook from my iBook server. Now I just have to get X > running. It boots into a prompt but startx fails with the error XDMCP > INET6 udp socket connection failed. The Term150 still boots from the > iBook so the standard booting still works. > > Any ideas on where to go from here? > > Jim Kronebusch > Cotter Tech Department > 507-453-5188 > jim at winonacotter.org > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Wed Jan 26 22:41:32 2005 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:41:32 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] How to install from .src.rpm In-Reply-To: <1106772261.18125.143.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <002501c503d9$69ffde50$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> <1106772261.18125.143.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1106779292.32219.14.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> On Wed, 2005-01-26 at 14:44 -0600, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Wed, 2005-01-26 at 13:01, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > > You need to build the binary RPM from the .src.rpm. Something like: > > > > > > rpmbuild --rebuild blah.src.rpm > > > > > > I think you will find the resulting binary rpm in > > > /usr/src/redhat/RPMS > > > or something similar. Don't know if that changes for Fedora. On my > > > Mandrake box it's /usr/src/RPM/RPMS. Install the resulting > > > binary RPM in > > > the usual way. > > > > I tried that but YDL says that rpmbuild is not a recognized command. > > Does YDL use a little different rpm package or do I need to install > > something else to obtain rpmbuild like a devel package? > > Earlier versions of rpm had the --rebuild function included in the > rpm program itself so you might find it there. The current fedora > version has been split into rpm and rpmbuild as separate commands. ...which is part of the rpm-build package, which you may need to install. You'll probably need gcc and friends also. yum groupinstall 'Development Tools' -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Jan 26 22:59:27 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:59:27 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] XDMCP INET6 socket connection failed In-Reply-To: References: <003f01c503f2$bc2e7f60$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20050126225403.M89899@winonacotter.org> > Jim, > > Are you sure that INET6 problem is a fatal error ? > > I've seen it lots of times, and it was just a warning. It should > fall back to IPv4 with no problem. No I am not. I just know that most prominent error I see after X won't fire. I thought maybe it wasn't important but can't seem to get it to start. I have tried setting in /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc/lts.conf XF86Config = XF86Config.ws004 And then XF86Config.ws004 is a copy of XF86Config from a working local install of YDL on the exact same style machine. I thought this would for sure grab a working X configuration for the iBook thin client. But no matter where I place the XF86Config.ws004 file when I startx from the thin client it says it cannot find the file. Could you tell me where this should be or how to specify a full path in lts.conf? Thanks, -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jam at mcquil.com Wed Jan 26 23:09:33 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:09:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] XDMCP INET6 socket connection failed In-Reply-To: <20050126225403.M89899@winonacotter.org> References: <003f01c503f2$bc2e7f60$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> <20050126225403.M89899@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: Jim, Copy XF86Config.ws004 to the same directory that contains the lts.conf file. Looks like /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc is proper for your setup. Then, in lts.conf, add this: XF86CONFIG_FILE = XF86Config.ws004 Looking at your comments, you may have had the wrong variable name. That should do it. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Wed, 26 Jan 2005, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > Jim, > > > > Are you sure that INET6 problem is a fatal error ? > > > > I've seen it lots of times, and it was just a warning. It should > > fall back to IPv4 with no problem. > > No I am not. I just know that most prominent error I see after X won't > fire. I thought maybe it wasn't important but can't seem to get it to > start. I have tried setting in /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc/lts.conf > XF86Config = XF86Config.ws004 > > And then XF86Config.ws004 is a copy of XF86Config from a working local > install of YDL on the exact same style machine. I thought this would for > sure grab a working X configuration for the iBook thin client. But no > matter where I place the XF86Config.ws004 file when I startx from the thin > client it says it cannot find the file. Could you tell me where this should > be or how to specify a full path in lts.conf? > > Thanks, > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Jan 26 23:09:29 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:09:29 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] XDMCP INET6 socket connection failed In-Reply-To: References: <003f01c503f2$bc2e7f60$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> <20050126225403.M89899@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20050126230754.M73324@winonacotter.org> > Copy XF86Config.ws004 to the same directory that contains the > lts.conf file. Looks like /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc is proper for your setup. > > Then, in lts.conf, add this: > > XF86CONFIG_FILE = XF86Config.ws004 > > Looking at your comments, you may have had the wrong variable name. > > That should do it. Thanks Jim. I'll head back to the office after supper and give it a try. I think I have the variable right but just typed it stupid in the email. I'll post back how it works. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From austinsr at uindy.edu Wed Jan 26 17:52:39 2005 From: austinsr at uindy.edu (Shawn Austin) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:52:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Still broken ..... ssh agent stays running In-Reply-To: <20050126153417.M87829@tsd53.ca> References: <20050122095325.M29299@tsd53.ca> <20050126153417.M87829@tsd53.ca> Message-ID: <41F7D8E7.5080400@uindy.edu> After reading your email, I checked on my server. I have 489 instances of gconfd-2 running, using about 2GB of ram total. Mark Raine wrote: >On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 04:01:21 -0600, Mark Raine wrote > > >>Hello >> >>Using the new release of K12 4.2. The only issue seems to be that after >>a user logs off 2 processes stay running. They are ssh agent and I >>think the second is gconf2 ( writing from home so not sure of second >>process). If the user logs on 5 times there will be 5 sets of >>processes. Each is only a few meg but it adds up. It is an issue at >>all 4 locations. The users are using ice by default but the option >>for gnome is there. >> >>Thanks for any help >> >>Mark >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> > > >Mark Raine >Computer Services Coordinator >Tisdale School Division #53 >mark at tsd53.ca >306 873-2352 EXT: 505 > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > -- Shawn Austin University of Indianapolis Client Services 788-3362 From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Jan 27 02:09:40 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 02:09:40 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] XDMCP INET6 socket connection failed Message-ID: <200501270112.j0R1CKr06693@downeast.net> Jim: When it is all working give me feedback how to make it all clearer.. chuck > > Copy XF86Config.ws004 to the same directory that contains the > > lts.conf file. Looks like /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc is proper for your setup. > > > > Then, in lts.conf, add this: > > > > XF86CONFIG_FILE = XF86Config.ws004 > > > > Looking at your comments, you may have had the wrong variable name. > > > > That should do it. > > Thanks Jim. I'll head back to the office after supper and give it a try. I > think I have the variable right but just typed it stupid in the email. I'll > post back how it works. > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Jan 27 03:00:10 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 21:00:10 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] XDMCP INET6 socket connection failed In-Reply-To: <200501270112.j0R1CKr06693@downeast.net> References: <200501270112.j0R1CKr06693@downeast.net> Message-ID: <20050127025352.M50461@winonacotter.org> > Jim: When it is all working give me feedback how to make it all clearer.. > > chuck Can do. I'll have the setup along with me at the Lenox in Boston. I figure 3 iBooks and one 4 port switch (1 Server and 2 clients) shouldn't be too bad to carry around. It'll be nice to have a portable network to mess with over there. I have gotten X to run on the iBook now thanks to Jim M's suggestion to put the XF86Config.ws004 in /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc. Now my last problem is that the actual size of the display is larger than the physical size of the 12" iBook monitor. So about 4" is cut off on the right hand and bottom edges. I am sure this is one more tweak to the XF86Config but I don't know what to change (since this is an exact duplicate of the XF86Config in the running YDL server iBook that displays fine). Any more suggestions would be awesome. Till then I'll just poke at settings and see what happens. I think I am going to fire up a Bondi, Indigo, and flat panel iMac quick just to see what happens. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Jan 27 03:17:07 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 21:17:07 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] XDMCP INET6 socket connection failed In-Reply-To: <20050127025352.M50461@winonacotter.org> References: <200501270112.j0R1CKr06693@downeast.net> <20050127025352.M50461@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20050127031601.M24917@winonacotter.org> > I have gotten X to run on the iBook now thanks to Jim M's suggestion > to put the XF86Config.ws004 in /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc. Now my last > problem is that the actual size of the display is larger than the > physical size of the 12" iBook monitor. So about 4" is cut off on > the right hand and bottom edges. I am sure this is one more tweak > to the XF86Config but I don't know what to change > (since this is an exact duplicate of the XF86Config in the running > YDL server iBook that displays fine). Any more suggestions would be > awesome. Till then I'll just poke at settings and see what happens. I don't know if these items are separate or not but the screen size is off before loading XFree. Even when booted to a prompt the screen is cutoff on the right side and the bottom. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Thu Jan 27 03:26:53 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:26:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: AR/STAR Take XXXXXVI (give or take a few) In-Reply-To: <20050127005931.902B8734C1@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050127005931.902B8734C1@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1106796413.4292.916.camel@fedora2.thebaillies.net> Don't get me started :-/ We ended up installing a Windows Terminal Server to provide Renaissance Learning products. I've had some communication with codeweavers recently and they were ready to start porting it to their product but there was not enough interest to make it worth their while. Also Renlearn is in the process of moving all products to their Renaissance Place software model. Chances are the old products will be shelved over the next few years. Honestly, building an OSS interface and DB back end for what I'd like to name "Everyone Reads!" is very doable. It's the test bank that is the real "got ya". It would take quite an initiative to get enough volunteers to build up a test bank to make such an undertaking worthwhile. So there it is, my semi annual AR gripe session. Jeff wrote: > 3. AR/STAR Take XXXXXVI (give or take a few) (Jeff Davis) > > > I'm sure this has been asked and/or answered here before - Can k12ltsp > allow the linux terminals to run AR/STAR via wine or ??? This would be > part one of a two part holy grail. The other would be MS Access (yuck). > > Thanks. > > -- > Jefferson K. Davis > Technology and Information Systems Manager > Standard School District > 1200 North Chester Ave > Bakersfield, CA 93308 > USA > 661-392-2110 ext 120 From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Thu Jan 27 03:34:34 2005 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 21:34:34 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Virtual Machine Message-ID: <41F8614A.30306@honeygroveisd.net> Hello all, This isn't exactly an "on topic" question, but there are so many here so much wiser in the ways of Linux than I, I thought I'd ask. In the Windows world, one can purchase and install MS Virtual PC (at no small price, I might add) which will allow the creation of Virtual computers within the Windows OS, which can even run Linux quite nicely. Is there a Linux (preferably free) alternative? I know that Win4Lin is supposed to run Win9X fairly well, but is there a true virtual machine app. that will run Windows NT/2K/XP and give it access to the Linux machines hardware devices? -- C-ya, Mark ____ "Good judgment comes from experience, and often experience comes from bad judgment." -- Rita Mae Brown From ericbrown at mi-spot.com Thu Jan 27 03:52:59 2005 From: ericbrown at mi-spot.com (Eric Brown) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 21:52:59 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: AR/STAR Take XXXXXVI (give or take a few) In-Reply-To: <1106796413.4292.916.camel@fedora2.thebaillies.net> Message-ID: <200501270341.j0R3fPr19763@www.mi-spot.com> I've thought just this same thing. My idea was to get questions submitted from teachers. It would start slowly at first, but as K12LTSP/Linux usage grows, more might be willing to contribute. It would be too much work for say a dozen people to contribute questions for several thousand books, but if we could eventually get several thousand teachers to cover a dozen books. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of John Baillie Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 9:27 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Re: AR/STAR Take XXXXXVI (give or take a few) Don't get me started :-/ We ended up installing a Windows Terminal Server to provide Renaissance Learning products. I've had some communication with codeweavers recently and they were ready to start porting it to their product but there was not enough interest to make it worth their while. Also Renlearn is in the process of moving all products to their Renaissance Place software model. Chances are the old products will be shelved over the next few years. Honestly, building an OSS interface and DB back end for what I'd like to name "Everyone Reads!" is very doable. It's the test bank that is the real "got ya". It would take quite an initiative to get enough volunteers to build up a test bank to make such an undertaking worthwhile. So there it is, my semi annual AR gripe session. Jeff wrote: > 3. AR/STAR Take XXXXXVI (give or take a few) (Jeff Davis) > > > I'm sure this has been asked and/or answered here before - Can k12ltsp > allow the linux terminals to run AR/STAR via wine or ??? This would be > part one of a two part holy grail. The other would be MS Access (yuck). > > Thanks. > > -- > Jefferson K. Davis > Technology and Information Systems Manager > Standard School District > 1200 North Chester Ave > Bakersfield, CA 93308 > USA > 661-392-2110 ext 120 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From ybjones at one.net Thu Jan 27 04:28:11 2005 From: ybjones at one.net (Yancey B. Jones) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:28:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Virtual Machine In-Reply-To: <41F8614A.30306@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <20050127041944.UOSX13012.gx4.fuse.net@aragorn> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > Is there a Linux (preferably free) alternative? I know that > > Win4Lin is supposed to run Win9X fairly well, but is there a > true virtual machine app. that will run Windows NT/2K/XP and > give it access to the Linux machines hardware devices? VMWare works great but it is not free. I think it beats Virtual PC hands down, whether running on Windows or Linux as the host. You can get a trial to test it out. www.vmware.com - -Yancey -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 8.1 iQA/AwUBQfht2zfD9Ahtn/EuEQKnhACgopSZqZAl9sBjSPVahvc/Ze4F1GUAoPdR gHvvwKcjXt/r5tqoUqmn+G9v =QeQK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From microman at cmosnetworks.com Thu Jan 27 04:34:21 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:34:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Virtual Machine In-Reply-To: <20050127041944.UOSX13012.gx4.fuse.net@aragorn> References: <20050127041944.UOSX13012.gx4.fuse.net@aragorn> Message-ID: <41F86F4D.5090004@cmosnetworks.com> Yancey B. Jones wrote: > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > > > >>Is there a Linux (preferably free) alternative? I know that >> >> >>>Win4Lin is supposed to run Win9X fairly well, but is there a >>> >>> >>true virtual machine app. that will run Windows NT/2K/XP and >>give it access to the Linux machines hardware devices? >> >> > >VMWare works great but it is not free. I think it beats Virtual PC >hands down, whether running on Windows or Linux as the host. You can >get a trial to test it out. www.vmware.com > >- -Yancey > > Agreed on VMware. I used it back in the 2.0.x days, and it certainly did the job. I was running Windows NT inside a virtual machine, with the host OS being RHL 6.2. Not inexpensive, but it works. --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Thu Jan 27 05:20:14 2005 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 21:20:14 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Virtual Machine In-Reply-To: <41F8614A.30306@honeygroveisd.net> References: <41F8614A.30306@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <1106803214.13891.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2005-01-26 at 21:34 -0600, Mark Cockrell wrote: > Is there a Linux (preferably free) alternative? I know that Win4Lin is > supposed to run Win9X fairly well, but is there a true virtual machine > app. that will run Windows NT/2K/XP and give it access to the Linux > machines hardware devices? You might look at QEMU; it's free. http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/ http://dag.wieers.com/packages/qemu/ -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Thu Jan 27 05:25:11 2005 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 21:25:11 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Virtual Machine In-Reply-To: <1106803214.13891.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <41F8614A.30306@honeygroveisd.net> <1106803214.13891.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1106803512.13891.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2005-01-26 at 21:20 -0800, Dan Young wrote: > On Wed, 2005-01-26 at 21:34 -0600, Mark Cockrell wrote: > > Is there a Linux (preferably free) alternative? I know that Win4Lin is > > supposed to run Win9X fairly well, but is there a true virtual machine > > app. that will run Windows NT/2K/XP and give it access to the Linux > > machines hardware devices? > > You might look at QEMU; it's free. > http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/ > http://dag.wieers.com/packages/qemu/ Forgot to mention that you can D/L some pre-packaged free OSs from here: http://www.freeoszoo.org -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From philemon.burney at heritagecollege.nsw.edu.au Thu Jan 27 05:49:01 2005 From: philemon.burney at heritagecollege.nsw.edu.au (Philemon Burney) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:49:01 +1100 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: AR/STAR Take XXXXXVI (give or take a few) In-Reply-To: <1106796413.4292.916.camel@fedora2.thebaillies.net> Message-ID: Re: the Microsoft Access part of the question. I am having difficulty finding a suitable Open Source or similar alternative to Microsoft Access. I know there is MySQL but is there a "friendly" package with a GUI for reports, queries etc.?. What do people suggest for the database part of an "Office" suite to go with OpenOffice? Philemon <<<<>>>><<<>>><<>><*><<>><<<>>><<<<>>>> Philemon Burney ICT coordinator Christadelphian Heritage College Sydney "Wisdom through Knowledge" 110 Cross Street Kemps Creek NSW 2178 Australia http://www.heritagecollege.nsw.edu.au -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of John Baillie Sent: Thursday, 27 January 2005 2:27 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Re: AR/STAR Take XXXXXVI (give or take a few) Don't get me started :-/ We ended up installing a Windows Terminal Server to provide Renaissance Learning products. I've had some communication with codeweavers recently and they were ready to start porting it to their product but there was not enough interest to make it worth their while. Also Renlearn is in the process of moving all products to their Renaissance Place software model. Chances are the old products will be shelved over the next few years. Honestly, building an OSS interface and DB back end for what I'd like to name "Everyone Reads!" is very doable. It's the test bank that is the real "got ya". It would take quite an initiative to get enough volunteers to build up a test bank to make such an undertaking worthwhile. So there it is, my semi annual AR gripe session. Jeff wrote: > 3. AR/STAR Take XXXXXVI (give or take a few) (Jeff Davis) > > > I'm sure this has been asked and/or answered here before - Can k12ltsp > allow the linux terminals to run AR/STAR via wine or ??? This would be > part one of a two part holy grail. The other would be MS Access (yuck). > > Thanks. > > -- > Jefferson K. Davis > Technology and Information Systems Manager > Standard School District > 1200 North Chester Ave > Bakersfield, CA 93308 > USA > 661-392-2110 ext 120 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Jan 27 06:30:50 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 00:30:50 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Bondi Mac booting ltsp Message-ID: <20050127061458.M18702@winonacotter.org> Well I have a Bondi iMac booting successfully as a true thin from an iBook while simultaneously booting a Term150 and another iBook as a true thin. Only glitch so far is the iBook is cut off about 2 inches (need info on setting smaller screen size in XF86Config, when I try to manually adjust the vsync and hsync my screen goes into diagonal lines). So I should be able to get documentation together now for setting up both ppc and i386 servers to boot new world macs as thin clients (no fancy keystrokes, X queries, or local installs first, I mean diskless thin terminals that boot automatically to ltsp). Right now dhcp.conf has to be manually populated with MAC addresses for whoever the odd ducks are. So here is a question for anyone who dare answer. In dhcpd.conf we specify a option root-path "ser.er.ip.add:/opt/ltsp/kernelpref"; and some other vendor specific options. Since the first half of a MAC address specifies a vendor (which in theory shouldn't change) can this option be made into an if statement stating something along the lines of: if hardware ethernet 00:05:02:*:*:* (may be a sequence of vendors to cover whoever was producing the NIC for Apple at the time) then all of the mac options else all of the i386 options If something like this is possible then I think out of the box support for MAC would be very easy to achieve. Otherwise a simple script could be written to convert the necessary default lines of dhcpd.conf to either support ppc or i386 with the directory structure for both on hand (/opt/ltsp/i386,/opt/ltsp/ppc). Sorry to ramble here I am just pumped that this is working. Thanks for everyones help. Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From sudev at mantraonline.com Thu Jan 27 10:11:55 2005 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:41:55 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Problem with kde In-Reply-To: <20050125222045.2caf39bd.lucanavo@libero.it> References: <20050121015844.F1A82732A0@hormel.redhat.com> <7E0B6A06-6B5F-11D9-9DD7-000393AE464E@whitenitro.com> <20050125222045.2caf39bd.lucanavo@libero.it> Message-ID: <1106820715.19520.2.camel@server.ltsp> On Wed, 2005-01-26 at 02:50, Luca Navone wrote: > Hallo. I've two problems. > 1) Is there anyway for setting kde as default gui for all users? > I set it for root with "Desktop switching tool" and for root kde is now the default gui, but not for the users. Every time a user login in a client the default gui is gnome. > 2) I've added some program with kmenuedit from root in the kde's menu. > When I login as user I can't see the new voice in the menu. Is there some way for make the new voice visible from any users? edit /etc/sysconfig/desktop and put the following two lines: DESKTOP="KDE" DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE" -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Thu Jan 27 11:30:01 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:30:01 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Customising Applications menu in K12LTSP 4.2.0 Message-ID: <013a01c50463$8a6fbfe0$65c8a8c0@brianwork> First let me introduce myself I'm Brian Chivers, I work at Portsmouth College as a ICT Support Officer. I have recently downloaded and install the k12LTSP and I'm really impressed with the easy of install, that the intro out the way *grin* I have a thin client connecting via PXE booting but I'd like to know how to remove things from the Applications menu's, it's things like the systems tools etc, I realise that users can't access them with the correct privilages but if it's not there they won't try. I have tried right clicking on them, shift click but the "Remove this item" is always greyed out. Can some point me in the right direction, I think I'm google'd out. Thanks Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Jan 27 11:45:45 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:45:45 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Bondi Mac booting ltsp Message-ID: <200501271048.j0RAmMu13004@downeast.net> if bill_c could add one linje to auto-switch /opt/ltsp/i386 to /opt/ltsp/ppc using sed within mthe ppc initrd then root path could be perm set as /opyt/ltspi86..the other dhcp options i think are ore or less ignored by those ws that dont need them..that would pretty much do it.. chuck > Well I have a Bondi iMac booting successfully as a true thin from an iBook > while simultaneously booting a Term150 and another iBook as a true thin. Only > glitch so far is the iBook is cut off about 2 inches (need info on setting > smaller screen size in XF86Config, when I trmore or less ignoredy to manually adjust the vsync and > hsync my screen goes into diagonal lines). So I should be able to get > documentation together now for setting up both ppc and i386 servers to boot > new world macs as thin clients (no fancy keystrokes, X queries, or local > installs first, I mean diskless thin terminals that boot automatically to ltsp). > > Right now dhcp.conf has to be manually populated with MAC addresses for > whoever the odd ducks are. > > So here is a question for anyone who dare answer. In dhcpd.conf we specify a > option root-path "ser.er.ip.add:/opt/ltsp/kernelpref"; and some other vendor > specific options. > Since the first half of a MAC address specifies a vendor (which in theory > shouldn't change) can this option be made into an if statement stating > something along the lines of: > > if hardware ethernet 00:05:02:*:*:* (may be a sequence of vendors to cover > whoever was producing the NIC for Apple at the time) > then all of the mac options > else all of the i386 options > > If something like this is possible then I think out of the box support for MAC > would be very easy to achieve. Otherwise a simple script could be written to > convert the necessary default lines of dhcpd.conf to either support ppc or > i386 with the directory structure for both on hand > (/opt/ltsp/i386,/opt/ltsp/ppc). > > Sorry to ramble here I am just pumped that this is working. > > Thanks for everyones help. > > Jim Kronebusch > Cotter Tech Department > 507-453-5188 > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Jan 27 11:56:07 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:56:07 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Bondi Mac booting ltsp Message-ID: <200501271058.j0RAwiu13958@downeast.net> i am a little puzzled why you needed to ad a unique XF86Config..using fbdev as an xserver mine just worked..i did have to add unique XF86Config files for the oldworld macs.. The thing we havnt tried is if the oldworld macs will work with the new root file system.i know the new world will work eith the old world root filesystem Skip built.. btw: knowing nothing of macs qhat IS a Bondi??chuck > So here is a question for anyone who dare answer. In dhcpd.conf we specify a > option root-path "ser.er.ip.add:/opt/ltsp/kernelpref"; and some other vendor > specific options. > Since the first half of a MAC address specifies a vendor (which in theory > shouldn't change) can this option be made into an if statement stating > something along the lines of: > > if hardware ethernet 00:05:02:*:*:* (may be a sequence of vendors to cover > whoever was producing the NIC for Apple at the time) > then all of the mac options > else all of the i386 options > > If something like this is possible then I think out of the box support for MAC > would be very easy to achieve. Otherwise a simple script could be written to > convert the necessary default lines of dhcpd.conf to either support ppc or > i386 with the directory structure for both on hand > (/opt/ltsp/i386,/opt/ltsp/ppc). > > Sorry to ramble here I am just pumped that this is working. > > Thanks for everyones help. > > Jim Kronebusch > Cotter Tech Department > 507-453-5188 > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Jan 27 12:01:15 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 12:01:15 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Virtual Machine Message-ID: <200501271103.j0RB3qu14565@downeast.net> well there is vmware..I find it kin d of unhandy ..Matter of fact so far havnt got much use out of it..It is those pesky windows only appps people have to have ,but i doubt they could easily manage it in vmware.. > Hello all, > This isn't exactly an "on topic" question, but there are so many > here so much wiser in the ways of Linux than I, I thought I'd ask. In > the Windows world, one can purchase and install MS Virtual PC (at no > small price, I might add) which will allow the creation of Virtual > computers within the Windows OS, which can even run Linux quite nicely. > Is there a Linux (preferably free) alternative? I know that Win4Lin is > supposed to run Win9X fairly well, but is there a true virtual machine > app. that will run Windows NT/2K/XP and give it access to the Linux > machines hardware devices? > > -- > > C-ya, > Mark > ____ > "Good judgment comes from experience, and often experience comes from bad judgment." -- Rita Mae Brown > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au Thu Jan 27 12:10:58 2005 From: debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au (Debbie Schiel) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 22:10:58 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Customising Applications menu in K12LTSP 4.2.0 In-Reply-To: <013a01c50463$8a6fbfe0$65c8a8c0@brianwork> References: <013a01c50463$8a6fbfe0$65c8a8c0@brianwork> Message-ID: <41F8DA52.9050801@redeemer.qld.edu.au> Hi Brian, This is a bit of a sore point when it comes to gnome menus - I haven't yet found an easy way to edit them, despite loads of howtoz... do a google search for 'k12osn editing gnome menus', and check out the wikki - http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Adding%20Menu%20Entries%20in%20FC2 The easiest way for me though was to ditch gnome and switch to iceWM - it loads faster (especially on thin clients) and the menu is dead easy to edit, even for a newbie like me... see post titled 'making menu icons bigger in IceWM' Best regards, Debbie Brian Chivers wrote: > First let me introduce myself > > I'm Brian Chivers, I work at Portsmouth College as a ICT Support Officer. I > have recently downloaded and install the k12LTSP and I'm really impressed > with the easy of install, that the intro out the way *grin* > > I have a thin client connecting via PXE booting but I'd like to know how to > remove things from the Applications menu's, it's things like the systems > tools etc, I realise that users can't access them with the correct > privilages but if it's not there they won't try. > > I have tried right clicking on them, shift click but the "Remove this item" > is always greyed out. > > Can some point me in the right direction, I think I'm google'd out. > > Thanks > Brian > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily > the views of Portsmouth College > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Thu Jan 27 13:45:31 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:45:31 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Customising Applications menu in K12LTSP 4.2.0 References: <013a01c50463$8a6fbfe0$65c8a8c0@brianwork> <41F8DA52.9050801@redeemer.qld.edu.au> Message-ID: <025801c50476$7915efe0$65c8a8c0@brianwork> Debbie Schiel wrote: > Hi Brian, > > This is a bit of a sore point when it comes to gnome menus - I haven't > yet found an easy way to edit them, despite loads of howtoz... do a > google search for 'k12osn editing gnome menus', and check out the > wikki - > http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Adding%20Menu%20Entries%20in%20FC2 > > The easiest way for me though was to ditch gnome and switch to iceWM - > it loads faster (especially on thin clients) and the menu is dead easy > to edit, even for a newbie like me... see post titled 'making menu > icons bigger in IceWM' > > Best regards, > > Debbie > > Brian Chivers wrote: >> First let me introduce myself >> >> I'm Brian Chivers, I work at Portsmouth College as a ICT Support >> Officer. I have recently downloaded and install the k12LTSP and I'm >> really impressed with the easy of install, that the intro out the >> way *grin* >> >> I have a thin client connecting via PXE booting but I'd like to know >> how to remove things from the Applications menu's, it's things like >> the systems tools etc, I realise that users can't access them with >> the correct privilages but if it's not there they won't try. >> >> I have tried right clicking on them, shift click but the "Remove >> this item" is always greyed out. >> >> Can some point me in the right direction, I think I'm google'd out. >> >> Thanks >> Brian >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------- >> The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily >> the views of Portsmouth College >> >> _______________________________________________ Thanks I like the look of ICEWM especially how you can make it look like WinXP (well the students will like it), I'll have a look for the post to edit the menu's etc, any idea roughly when the post was ? so I don't have to sift through to many posts *grin* Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From microman at cmosnetworks.com Thu Jan 27 14:21:43 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 09:21:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: AR/STAR Take XXXXXVI (give or take a few) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41F8F8F7.9010003@cmosnetworks.com> Currently, MySQL. With OpenOffice.org, it's the easiest way I've found to go. You say "friendly" which implies "difficult". I really don't know why people find it so hard. Maybe someone can clue me in on that? The other way, currently in the OO.o 2.0 beta, is to use the OpenOffice.org Base, which apparently provides its own Accsucks-like file, but in XML instead of MS's proprietary .mdb format. --TP Philemon Burney wrote: >Re: the Microsoft Access part of the question. >I am having difficulty finding a suitable Open Source or similar alternative >to Microsoft Access. >I know there is MySQL but is there a "friendly" package with a GUI for >reports, queries etc.?. >What do people suggest for the database part of an "Office" suite to go with >OpenOffice? >Philemon > ><<<<>>>><<<>>><<>><*><<>><<<>>><<<<>>>> >Philemon Burney >ICT coordinator >Christadelphian Heritage College Sydney >"Wisdom through Knowledge" >110 Cross Street >Kemps Creek NSW 2178 Australia >http://www.heritagecollege.nsw.edu.au > >-----Original Message----- >From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf >Of John Baillie >Sent: Thursday, 27 January 2005 2:27 PM >To: k12osn at redhat.com >Subject: [K12OSN] Re: AR/STAR Take XXXXXVI (give or take a few) > >Don't get me started :-/ > >We ended up installing a Windows Terminal Server to provide Renaissance >Learning products. > >I've had some communication with codeweavers recently and they were >ready to start porting it to their product but there was not enough >interest to make it worth their while. Also Renlearn is in the process >of moving all products to their Renaissance Place software model. >Chances are the old products will be shelved over the next few years. > >Honestly, building an OSS interface and DB back end for what I'd like to >name >"Everyone Reads!" is very doable. It's the test bank that is the real >"got ya". > >It would take quite an initiative to get enough volunteers to build up a >test bank to make such an undertaking worthwhile. > >So there it is, my semi annual AR gripe session. > > >Jeff wrote: > > >> 3. AR/STAR Take XXXXXVI (give or take a few) (Jeff Davis) >> >> > > > > > > > >>I'm sure this has been asked and/or answered here before - Can k12ltsp >>allow the linux terminals to run AR/STAR via wine or ??? This would be >>part one of a two part holy grail. The other would be MS Access (yuck). >> >>Thanks. >> >>-- >>Jefferson K. Davis >>Technology and Information Systems Manager >>Standard School District >>1200 North Chester Ave >>Bakersfield, CA 93308 >>USA >>661-392-2110 ext 120 >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Jan 27 14:27:35 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 08:27:35 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Bondi Mac booting ltsp In-Reply-To: <200501271058.j0RAwiu13958@downeast.net> Message-ID: <001a01c5047c$582f2e30$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> > i am a little puzzled why you needed to ad a unique > XF86Config..using fbdev as an xserver mine just worked..i did > have to add unique XF86Config files for the oldworld macs.. > > The thing we havnt tried is if the oldworld macs will work > with the new root file system.i know the new world will work > eith the old world root filesystem Skip built.. > > btw: knowing nothing of macs qhat IS a Bondi??chuck First here is an update as of this morning. I have the following booting from an iBook server: Term150 Bondi iMac Flat Screen iMac (I nicknamed them ET) 12" iBook (problem is display is the size of a 15" monitor leaving the right and bottom cut 2") The Bondi iMac and ET booted without a custom XF86Config no problem. The iBook would start at all so I grabbed a working XF86Config from the iBook server. This allow startx to work but now I have a 15" display on a 12" screen (no idea why since the config works fine on the other iBook). Every Attempt I make at changing the -hsync and -vsync or refresh rate numbers yeilds me a diagonal screen. Bondi iMacs are the first generation of iMacs. They called them Bondi Blue but they look puke green. To have these working for me is awesome. Next summer I will have about 600 of these with 160MB of RAM to convert to LTSP. The best thing about all of this is it isn't too hard to setup (hell, I even did it). I will probably be asking some questions over the next few days to help me figure out how to package this for easy distribution. I would like to see a script that just unpacks the tar.gz and puts the files in all of the right places and then echos added config options to exports and dhcpd.conf that are commented out by default. Then I can just accompany it with a simple readme explaining where to remove comments from to activate things. I have hundreds of 5200's and at least 50 5500's that we can't see to get rid of. Do you know if those will boot with the open firmware trick? -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Jan 27 14:33:00 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 08:33:00 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Virtual Machine In-Reply-To: <200501271103.j0RB3qu14565@downeast.net> Message-ID: <001b01c5047d$1a139040$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> > It is those pesky windows only appps people have to have ,but i doubt they > could easily manage it in vmware.. I would like to get ahold of one of them fancy light thingies from Men In Black. I think that could solve all of our application need problems. Okay, back to the real world :-) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From robowens at myway.com Thu Jan 27 14:49:25 2005 From: robowens at myway.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 09:49:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Virtual Machine Message-ID: <20050127144925.6EED339EA@mprdmxin.myway.com> There's a project called bochs. http://bochs.sourceforge.net/ I don't know much about it. -Rob --- On Wed 01/26, Mark Cockrell < cockrell at honeygroveisd.net > wrote: From: Mark Cockrell [mailto: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net] To: k12osn at redhat.com Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 21:34:34 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Virtual Machine Hello all,
This isn't exactly an "on topic" question, but there are so many
here so much wiser in the ways of Linux than I, I thought I'd ask. In
the Windows world, one can purchase and install MS Virtual PC (at no
small price, I might add) which will allow the creation of Virtual
computers within the Windows OS, which can even run Linux quite nicely.
Is there a Linux (preferably free) alternative? I know that Win4Lin is
supposed to run Win9X fairly well, but is there a true virtual machine
app. that will run Windows NT/2K/XP and give it access to the Linux
machines hardware devices?

--

C-ya,
Mark
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Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Jan 27 14:52:48 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 14:52:48 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Bondi Mac booting ltsp Message-ID: <200501271355.j0RDtOu11114@downeast.net> without openfirmware i do not know how to do ought but turn 5200s into chubby clients..by installing 7.6.1 on them and skips sea.bin..it would be interesting to try them with new root filesystem..Even at 75mhz they did an alright job except they booted up kind of slow..i think i have two "bondis" here..the puike green gave it away..chuck --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Jan 27 14:54:29 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 14:54:29 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Virtual Machine Message-ID: <200501271357.j0RDv5u11451@downeast.net> a little memory loss never hurt anyone,right > > It is those pesky windows only appps people have to have ,but i doubt > they > > could easily manage it in vmware.. > > I would like to get ahold of one of them fancy light thingies from Men > In Black. I think that could solve all of our application need > problems. > > Okay, back to the real world :-) > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Thu Jan 27 15:07:35 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:07:35 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Customising Applications menu in K12LTSP 4.2.0 In-Reply-To: <025801c50476$7915efe0$65c8a8c0@brianwork> References: <013a01c50463$8a6fbfe0$65c8a8c0@brianwork> <41F8DA52.9050801@redeemer.qld.edu.au> <025801c50476$7915efe0$65c8a8c0@brianwork> Message-ID: 12/6/04 On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:45:31 -0000, Brian Chivers wrote: > Debbie Schiel wrote: > > Hi Brian, > > > > This is a bit of a sore point when it comes to gnome menus - I haven't > > yet found an easy way to edit them, despite loads of howtoz... do a > > google search for 'k12osn editing gnome menus', and check out the > > wikki - > > > http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Adding%20Menu%20Entries%20in%20FC2 > > > > The easiest way for me though was to ditch gnome and switch to iceWM - > > it loads faster (especially on thin clients) and the menu is dead easy > > to edit, even for a newbie like me... see post titled 'making menu > > icons bigger in IceWM' > > > > Best regards, > > > > Debbie > > > > Brian Chivers wrote: > >> First let me introduce myself > >> > >> I'm Brian Chivers, I work at Portsmouth College as a ICT Support > >> Officer. I have recently downloaded and install the k12LTSP and I'm > >> really impressed with the easy of install, that the intro out the > >> way *grin* > >> > >> I have a thin client connecting via PXE booting but I'd like to know > >> how to remove things from the Applications menu's, it's things like > >> the systems tools etc, I realise that users can't access them with > >> the correct privilages but if it's not there they won't try. > >> > >> I have tried right clicking on them, shift click but the "Remove > >> this item" is always greyed out. > >> > >> Can some point me in the right direction, I think I'm google'd out. > >> > >> Thanks > >> Brian > >> > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------- > >> The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily > >> the views of Portsmouth College > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > > > Thanks > > I like the look of ICEWM especially how you can make it look like WinXP > (well the students will like it), I'll have a look for the post to edit the > menu's etc, any idea roughly when the post was ? so I don't have to sift > through to many posts *grin* > > Brian > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily > the views of Portsmouth College > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Thu Jan 27 15:11:33 2005 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 10:11:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: AR/STAR Take XXXXXVI (give or take a few) - Crossover Office Works! In-Reply-To: <20050127052528.D84D97367A@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050127052528.D84D97367A@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1106838693.711.87.camel@phoenix.media.local> I run Accelerated reader (I think 5.X) under Crossover Office 4.0. There are a few tweaks (turning off aliasing of fonts for the accelerated reader programs), but otherwise it runs extremely smoothly. I haven't had any reported problems in the past few weeks. One day when I have a free moment I'll post some howto information on Codeweavers compatibility database. Note: I run Crossover in Multi-User mode (I have a central CX installation, and everyone uses it), so there were a couple of hacks that might just be specific to that install (making actual copies of the AR program files rather than symlinks as Crossover Office usually does). Henry > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > From: Eric Brown > To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Re: AR/STAR Take XXXXXVI (give or take a few) > Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 21:52:59 -0600 > > I've thought just this same thing. > > My idea was to get questions submitted from teachers. It would start slowly > at first, but as K12LTSP/Linux usage grows, more might be willing to > contribute. It would be too much work for say a dozen people to contribute > questions for several thousand books, but if we could eventually get several > thousand teachers to cover a dozen books. > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of John Baillie > Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 9:27 PM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] Re: AR/STAR Take XXXXXVI (give or take a few) > > Don't get me started :-/ > > We ended up installing a Windows Terminal Server to provide Renaissance > Learning products. > > I've had some communication with codeweavers recently and they were > ready to start porting it to their product but there was not enough > interest to make it worth their while. Also Renlearn is in the process > of moving all products to their Renaissance Place software model. > Chances are the old products will be shelved over the next few years. > > Honestly, building an OSS interface and DB back end for what I'd like to > name > "Everyone Reads!" is very doable. It's the test bank that is the real > "got ya". > > It would take quite an initiative to get enough volunteers to build up a > test bank to make such an undertaking worthwhile. > > So there it is, my semi annual AR gripe session. > > > Jeff wrote: > > 3. AR/STAR Take XXXXXVI (give or take a few) (Jeff Davis) > > > > > > > > > I'm sure this has been asked and/or answered here before - Can k12ltsp > > allow the linux terminals to run AR/STAR via wine or ??? This would be > > part one of a two part holy grail. The other would be MS Access (yuck). > > > > Thanks. > > > > -- > > Jefferson K. Davis > > Technology and Information Systems Manager > > Standard School District > > 1200 North Chester Ave > > Bakersfield, CA 93308 > > USA > > 661-392-2110 ext 120 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > From petre at maltzen.net Thu Jan 27 15:12:23 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 09:12:23 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Problem with kde In-Reply-To: <20050126224837.123e2e5d.lucanavo@libero.it> References: <20050121015844.F1A82732A0@hormel.redhat.com> <7E0B6A06-6B5F-11D9-9DD7-000393AE464E@whitenitro.com> <20050125222045.2caf39bd.lucanavo@libero.it> <20050126224837.123e2e5d.lucanavo@libero.it> Message-ID: <41F904D7.7000107@maltzen.net> I put some notes about doing this on the wiki a year or so ago. It was stuff I figured out through trial & error, editing text files to get the result I wanted. I assume there's a more graceful way to customize KDE's menu, but I haven't found it (haven't looked lately, either). But this might at least help you get where you want, if in an ugly way. http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Customizing%20the%20default%20menus%20%26%20icons%20in%20KDE Petre Luca Navone wrote: > Thanks! Tomorrow I'll try your tip. > The second problem is very strange. It's not possible that an administrator add a voice in kde menu for everyone of 260 users.... There will be a way for chang only a time for all. > I try also webmin but I don't find anything. > > Thanks. > > > On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 18:21:55 -0800 (PST) > Eric Harrison wrote: > > >>On Tue, 25 Jan 2005, Luca Navone wrote: >> >> >>>Hallo. I've two problems. >>>1) Is there anyway for setting kde as default gui for all users? >>>I set it for root with "Desktop switching tool" and for root kde is now the default gui, but not for the users. Every time a user login in a client the default gui is gnome. >> >>Edit /etc/sysconfig/desktop and change: >> >> DESKTOP="GNOME" >> >>to: >> >> DESKTOP="KDE" >> >> >>>2) I've added some program with kmenuedit from root in the kde's menu. >>>When I login as user I can't see the new voice in the menu. Is there some way for make the new voice visible from any users? >> >>I'm not sure on this one. >> >>-Eric >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Jan 27 15:15:50 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 09:15:50 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Bondi Mac booting ltsp In-Reply-To: <200501271355.j0RDtOu11114@downeast.net> Message-ID: <002001c50483$162ad5a0$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> > without openfirmware i do not know how to do ought but turn > 5200s into chubby clients..by installing 7.6.1 on them and > skips sea.bin..it would be interesting to try them with new > root filesystem..Even at 75mhz they did an alright job except > they booted up kind of slow..i think i have two "bondis" > here..the puike green gave it away..chuck I setup a 5200 about a year ago with some info you gave me. I never completed the setup because every machine I have contains the one NIC that doesn't work. I may revisit that again. But those machines are getting so old it may not be worth it. Also add a Tangerine iBook (the clamshell style) to the list of bootable clients. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jam at mcquil.com Thu Jan 27 15:27:45 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 10:27:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Bondi Mac booting ltsp In-Reply-To: <200501271048.j0RAmMu13004@downeast.net> References: <200501271048.j0RAmMu13004@downeast.net> Message-ID: Chuck and Jim, There's a much better solution to the problem, that doesn't require hard-wiring a directory. When a DHCP client sends a request, it sends a vendor-class-identifier, so that the dhcp server knows something about the client. PXE bootroms send 'PXEClient'. Etherboot bootroms send 'Etherboot'. Well, we just need to tell the dhclient in the ppc initrd to send something unique, that we can identify it by. Then, in dhcpd.conf, we can have an entry like this: if substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 8) = "PPC_LTSP" { option root-path "192.168.0.254:/opt/ltsp/ppc"; } else{ option root-path "192.168.0.254:/opt/ltsp/i386"; } That is, assuming we set the vendor-class-identifier to 'PPC_LTSP' in the initrd. it's WAY more flexible than having a sed script modify the root-path that is returned. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > if bill_c could add one linje to auto-switch /opt/ltsp/i386 to > /opt/ltsp/ppc using sed within mthe ppc initrd then root path could be perm > set as /opyt/ltspi86..the other dhcp options i think are ore or less > ignored by those ws that dont need them..that would pretty much do it.. > > chuck > > Well I have a Bondi iMac booting successfully as a true thin from an iBook > > while simultaneously booting a Term150 and another iBook as a true thin. > Only > > glitch so far is the iBook is cut off about 2 inches (need info on setting > > smaller screen size in XF86Config, when I trmore or less ignoredy to > manually adjust the vsync and > > hsync my screen goes into diagonal lines). So I should be able to get > > documentation together now for setting up both ppc and i386 servers to boot > > new world macs as thin clients (no fancy keystrokes, X queries, or local > > installs first, I mean diskless thin terminals that boot automatically to > ltsp). > > > > Right now dhcp.conf has to be manually populated with MAC addresses for > > whoever the odd ducks are. > > > > So here is a question for anyone who dare answer. In dhcpd.conf we > specify a > > option root-path "ser.er.ip.add:/opt/ltsp/kernelpref"; and some other vendor > > specific options. > > Since the first half of a MAC address specifies a vendor (which in theory > > shouldn't change) can this option be made into an if statement stating > > something along the lines of: > > > > if hardware ethernet 00:05:02:*:*:* (may be a sequence of vendors to cover > > whoever was producing the NIC for Apple at the time) > > then all of the mac options > > else all of the i386 options > > > > If something like this is possible then I think out of the box support > for MAC > > would be very easy to achieve. Otherwise a simple script could be written to > > convert the necessary default lines of dhcpd.conf to either support ppc or > > i386 with the directory structure for both on hand > > (/opt/ltsp/i386,/opt/ltsp/ppc). > > > > Sorry to ramble here I am just pumped that this is working. > > > > Thanks for everyones help. > > > > Jim Kronebusch > > Cotter Tech Department > > 507-453-5188 > > > > > > -- > > This message has been scanned for viruses and > > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Thu Jan 27 15:29:44 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:29:44 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Customising Applications menu in K12LTSP 4.2.0 References: <013a01c50463$8a6fbfe0$65c8a8c0@brianwork><41F8DA52.9050801@redeemer.qld.edu.au><025801c50476$7915efe0$65c8a8c0@brianwork> Message-ID: <02a701c50485$077bea10$65c8a8c0@brianwork> Steve Hargadon wrote: > 12/6/04 > > > On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:45:31 -0000, Brian Chivers > wrote: >> Debbie Schiel wrote: >>> Hi Brian, >>> >>> This is a bit of a sore point when it comes to gnome menus - I >>> haven't yet found an easy way to edit them, despite loads of >>> howtoz... do a google search for 'k12osn editing gnome menus', and >>> check out the wikki - >>> >> http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Adding%20Menu%20Entries%20in%20FC2 >>> >>> The easiest way for me though was to ditch gnome and switch to >>> iceWM - it loads faster (especially on thin clients) and the menu >>> is dead easy to edit, even for a newbie like me... see post titled >>> 'making menu icons bigger in IceWM' >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> Debbie >>> >>> Brian Chivers wrote: >>>> First let me introduce myself >>>> >>>> I'm Brian Chivers, I work at Portsmouth College as a ICT Support >>>> Officer. I have recently downloaded and install the k12LTSP and I'm >>>> really impressed with the easy of install, that the intro out the >>>> way *grin* >>>> >>>> I have a thin client connecting via PXE booting but I'd like to >>>> know how to remove things from the Applications menu's, it's >>>> things like the systems tools etc, I realise that users can't >>>> access them with the correct privilages but if it's not there they >>>> won't try. >>>> >>>> I have tried right clicking on them, shift click but the "Remove >>>> this item" is always greyed out. >>>> >>>> Can some point me in the right direction, I think I'm google'd out. >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> Brian >>>> >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily >>>> the views of Portsmouth College >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Thanks >> >> I like the look of ICEWM especially how you can make it look like >> WinXP (well the students will like it), I'll have a look for the >> post to edit the menu's etc, any idea roughly when the post was ? so >> I don't have to sift through to many posts *grin* >> >> Brian >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------- >> The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily >> the views of Portsmouth College >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see Thanks I'll take a look Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From petre at maltzen.net Thu Jan 27 15:37:28 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 09:37:28 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] AR/STAR Take XXXXXVI (give or take a few) In-Reply-To: <41F811C3.3040502@standard.k12.ca.us> References: <41F811C3.3040502@standard.k12.ca.us> Message-ID: <41F90AB8.1080806@maltzen.net> Note that OpenOffice.org 2.0, due out in March or so, includes a new built-in database, called...wait for it...OpenOffice.org Base (I kinda like the term OOoBase--you heard it here first). It's competing with Access, but I don't think it's drop-in replacement, at least not yet. For example, I don't know if it can import existing Access DBs; perhaps it can, but I haven't seen much about it. You can read about it at http://software.newsforge.com/software/05/01/25/1758245.shtml?tid=72 and the marketing project has a Guide to New Features at http://marketing.openoffice.org/2.0/featureguide.html Petre Jeff Davis wrote: > I'm sure this has been asked and/or answered here before - Can k12ltsp > allow the linux terminals to run AR/STAR via wine or ??? This would be > part one of a two part holy grail. The other would be MS Access (yuck). > > Thanks. > From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Jan 27 15:59:58 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 09:59:58 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Bondi Mac booting ltsp In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002101c50489$40359050$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> > Chuck and Jim, > > There's a much better solution to the problem, that doesn't > require hard-wiring a directory. > > When a DHCP client sends a request, it sends a > vendor-class-identifier, so that the dhcp server knows > something about the client. PXE bootroms send 'PXEClient'. > Etherboot bootroms send 'Etherboot'. > > Well, we just need to tell the dhclient in the ppc initrd to > send something unique, that we can identify it by. Then, in > dhcpd.conf, we can have an entry like this: > > if substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 8) = "PPC_LTSP" { > option root-path "192.168.0.254:/opt/ltsp/ppc"; > } > else{ > option root-path "192.168.0.254:/opt/ltsp/i386"; > } > > > That is, assuming we set the vendor-class-identifier to > 'PPC_LTSP' in the initrd. it's WAY more flexible than having > a sed script modify the root-path that is returned. Thanks Jim. I'll give it a try. This whole thing is awesome. I think it will help afford a lot of current apple schools the option to slowly transition to LTSP and eventually x86 bases clients. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dyioulos at firstbhph.com Thu Jan 27 16:16:48 2005 From: dyioulos at firstbhph.com (Dimitri Yioulos) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:16:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Virtual Machine In-Reply-To: <20050127144925.6EED339EA@mprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <200501271607.j0RG70BQ013902@mail1.firstbhph.com> Try the Linux Virtual Server Project - http://www.linuxvirtualserver.org and Linux Vserver Project - http://linux-vserver.org/Linux-VServer. Sorry, I've kind been following them, but haven't actually tried them out. I think we'd all be interested if you experiment and could share your experience(s). Dimitri -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Rob Owens Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 9:49 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Virtual Machine There's a project called bochs. http://bochs.sourceforge.net/ I don't know much about it. -Rob --- On Wed 01/26, Mark Cockrell < cockrell at honeygroveisd.net > wrote: From: Mark Cockrell [mailto: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net] To: k12osn at redhat.com Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 21:34:34 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Virtual Machine Hello all,
This isn't exactly an "on topic" question, but there are so many
here so much wiser in the ways of Linux than I, I thought I'd ask. In
the Windows world, one can purchase and install MS Virtual PC (at no
small price, I might add) which will allow the creation of Virtual
computers within the Windows OS, which can even run Linux quite nicely.
Is there a Linux (preferably free) alternative? I know that Win4Lin is
supposed to run Win9X fairly well, but is there a true virtual machine
app. that will run Windows NT/2K/XP and give it access to the Linux
machines hardware devices?

--

C-ya,
Mark
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_______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From jdavis at standard.k12.ca.us Thu Jan 27 16:29:36 2005 From: jdavis at standard.k12.ca.us (Jeff Davis) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 08:29:36 -0800 Subject: MS ACCESS (Was Re: [K12OSN] AR/STAR Take XXXXXVI (give or take a few)) In-Reply-To: <41F90AB8.1080806@maltzen.net> References: <41F811C3.3040502@standard.k12.ca.us> <41F90AB8.1080806@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <41F916F0.5060808@standard.k12.ca.us> Problem is that we need it to run Aeries, so we'd need to either a) find a way to run msaccess under X (wine xoveroffice, etc) or find a database that can run msaccess "code" (and I use the term very loosely). From what I've seen so far neither scenario is likely anytime soon. Switching to a different SIS is, unfortunately, not possible. One thing about aeries - it's pretty inexpensive as such things go. I just wish they'd used a different "tool" to build it. Petre Scheie wrote: > Note that OpenOffice.org 2.0, due out in March or so, includes a new > built-in database, called...wait for it...OpenOffice.org Base (I kinda > like the term OOoBase--you heard it here first). It's competing with > Access, but I don't think it's drop-in replacement, at least not yet. > For example, I don't know if it can import existing Access DBs; > perhaps it can, but I haven't seen much about it. > > You can read about it at > http://software.newsforge.com/software/05/01/25/1758245.shtml?tid=72 > > and the marketing project has a Guide to New Features at > http://marketing.openoffice.org/2.0/featureguide.html > > Petre > > Jeff Davis wrote: > >> I'm sure this has been asked and/or answered here before - Can >> k12ltsp allow the linux terminals to run AR/STAR via wine or ??? >> This would be part one of a two part holy grail. The other would be >> MS Access (yuck). >> >> Thanks. >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Jefferson K. Davis Technology and Information Systems Manager Standard School District 1200 North Chester Ave Bakersfield, CA 93308 USA 661-392-2110 ext 120 From jdavis at standard.k12.ca.us Thu Jan 27 16:32:17 2005 From: jdavis at standard.k12.ca.us (Jeff Davis) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 08:32:17 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: AR/STAR Take XXXXXVI (give or take a few) - Crossover Office Works! In-Reply-To: <1106838693.711.87.camel@phoenix.media.local> References: <20050127052528.D84D97367A@hormel.redhat.com> <1106838693.711.87.camel@phoenix.media.local> Message-ID: <41F91791.8020500@standard.k12.ca.us> Being cheap, I have to wonder if it's possible to run under wine. I got it working up to the point where I had to pick a data location (the achilles heal of all their software), but otherwise it worked. I wonder if some creative smbmount-ing might be the ticket, since it seemed to puke on looking for network shares. Perhaps someone has take this a bit further? Thanks, -Jeff Henry Burroughs wrote: >I run Accelerated reader (I think 5.X) under Crossover Office 4.0. >There are a few tweaks (turning off aliasing of fonts for the >accelerated reader programs), but otherwise it runs extremely smoothly. >I haven't had any reported problems in the past few weeks. One day when >I have a free moment I'll post some howto information on Codeweavers >compatibility database. Note: I run Crossover in Multi-User mode (I have >a central CX installation, and everyone uses it), so there were a couple >of hacks that might just be specific to that install (making actual >copies of the AR program files rather than symlinks as Crossover Office >usually does). > >Henry > > > >>______________________________________________________________________ >>From: Eric Brown >>To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' >>Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Re: AR/STAR Take XXXXXVI (give or take a few) >>Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 21:52:59 -0600 >> >>I've thought just this same thing. >> >>My idea was to get questions submitted from teachers. It would start slowly >>at first, but as K12LTSP/Linux usage grows, more might be willing to >>contribute. It would be too much work for say a dozen people to contribute >>questions for several thousand books, but if we could eventually get several >>thousand teachers to cover a dozen books. >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf >>Of John Baillie >>Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 9:27 PM >>To: k12osn at redhat.com >>Subject: [K12OSN] Re: AR/STAR Take XXXXXVI (give or take a few) >> >>Don't get me started :-/ >> >>We ended up installing a Windows Terminal Server to provide Renaissance >>Learning products. >> >>I've had some communication with codeweavers recently and they were >>ready to start porting it to their product but there was not enough >>interest to make it worth their while. Also Renlearn is in the process >>of moving all products to their Renaissance Place software model. >>Chances are the old products will be shelved over the next few years. >> >>Honestly, building an OSS interface and DB back end for what I'd like to >>name >>"Everyone Reads!" is very doable. It's the test bank that is the real >>"got ya". >> >>It would take quite an initiative to get enough volunteers to build up a >>test bank to make such an undertaking worthwhile. >> >>So there it is, my semi annual AR gripe session. >> >> >>Jeff wrote: >> >> >>> 3. AR/STAR Take XXXXXVI (give or take a few) (Jeff Davis) >>> >>> >> >> >>>I'm sure this has been asked and/or answered here before - Can k12ltsp >>>allow the linux terminals to run AR/STAR via wine or ??? This would be >>>part one of a two part holy grail. The other would be MS Access (yuck). >>> >>>Thanks. >>> >>>-- >>>Jefferson K. Davis >>>Technology and Information Systems Manager >>>Standard School District >>>1200 North Chester Ave >>>Bakersfield, CA 93308 >>>USA >>>661-392-2110 ext 120 >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- Jefferson K. Davis Technology and Information Systems Manager Standard School District 1200 North Chester Ave Bakersfield, CA 93308 USA 661-392-2110 ext 120 From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Thu Jan 27 16:57:56 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:57:56 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Customising Applications menu in K12LTSP 4.2.0 References: <013a01c50463$8a6fbfe0$65c8a8c0@brianwork> <41F8DA52.9050801@redeemer.qld.edu.au> Message-ID: <02e001c50491$5995b680$65c8a8c0@brianwork> Debbie Schiel wrote: > Hi Brian, > > This is a bit of a sore point when it comes to gnome menus - I haven't > yet found an easy way to edit them, despite loads of howtoz... do a > google search for 'k12osn editing gnome menus', and check out the > wikki - > http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Adding%20Menu%20Entries%20in%20FC2 > > The easiest way for me though was to ditch gnome and switch to iceWM - > it loads faster (especially on thin clients) and the menu is dead easy > to edit, even for a newbie like me... see post titled 'making menu > icons bigger in IceWM' > > Best regards, > > Debbie > > Brian Chivers wrote: >> First let me introduce myself >> >> I'm Brian Chivers, I work at Portsmouth College as a ICT Support >> Officer. I have recently downloaded and install the k12LTSP and I'm >> really impressed with the easy of install, that the intro out the >> way *grin* >> >> I have a thin client connecting via PXE booting but I'd like to know >> how to remove things from the Applications menu's, it's things like >> the systems tools etc, I realise that users can't access them with >> the correct privilages but if it's not there they won't try. >> >> I have tried right clicking on them, shift click but the "Remove >> this item" is always greyed out. >> >> Can some point me in the right direction, I think I'm google'd out. >> >> Thanks >> Brian >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------- >> The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily >> the views of Portsmouth College >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see I think I've made a bit of a break through with this. If you move the files from /usr/share/applications to somewhere safe (I've stored them in a dir in /root) and then do a /usr/sbin/gdm-safe-restart they vanish from the menu. It's not brilliant but it's a start !! I wish there was a nice graphical way of doing this Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG Thu Jan 27 18:09:33 2005 From: HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Burroughs, Henry) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:09:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: AR/STAR Take XXXXXVI (give or take a few)- Crossover Office Works! In-Reply-To: <41F91791.8020500@standard.k12.ca.us> References: <20050127052528.D84D97367A@hormel.redhat.com> <1106838693.711.87.camel@phoenix.media.local> <41F91791.8020500@standard.k12.ca.us> Message-ID: <1106849329.711.171.camel@phoenix.media.local> Jeff, What I do on my LTSP server is make a smb /etc/fstab entry for the accelerated reader database and mount it to a directory on my filesystem. I mount the directory as root, but have the group belong to all the users who should have accelerated reader access. Henry On Thu, 2005-01-27 at 11:32, Jeff Davis wrote: > Being cheap, I have to wonder if it's possible to run under wine. I got > it working up to the point where I had to pick a data location (the > achilles heal of all their software), but otherwise it worked. I wonder > if some creative smbmount-ing might be the ticket, since it seemed to > puke on looking for network shares. Perhaps someone has take this a bit > further? > > Thanks, > > -Jeff > > Henry Burroughs wrote: > > >I run Accelerated reader (I think 5.X) under Crossover Office 4.0. > >There are a few tweaks (turning off aliasing of fonts for the > >accelerated reader programs), but otherwise it runs extremely smoothly. > >I haven't had any reported problems in the past few weeks. One day when > >I have a free moment I'll post some howto information on Codeweavers > >compatibility database. Note: I run Crossover in Multi-User mode (I have > >a central CX installation, and everyone uses it), so there were a couple > >of hacks that might just be specific to that install (making actual > >copies of the AR program files rather than symlinks as Crossover Office > >usually does). > > > >Henry > > > > > > > >>______________________________________________________________________ > >>From: Eric Brown > >>To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' > >>Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Re: AR/STAR Take XXXXXVI (give or take a few) > >>Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 21:52:59 -0600 > >> > >>I've thought just this same thing. > >> > >>My idea was to get questions submitted from teachers. It would start slowly > >>at first, but as K12LTSP/Linux usage grows, more might be willing to > >>contribute. It would be too much work for say a dozen people to contribute > >>questions for several thousand books, but if we could eventually get several > >>thousand teachers to cover a dozen books. > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > >>Of John Baillie > >>Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 9:27 PM > >>To: k12osn at redhat.com > >>Subject: [K12OSN] Re: AR/STAR Take XXXXXVI (give or take a few) > >> > >>Don't get me started :-/ > >> > >>We ended up installing a Windows Terminal Server to provide Renaissance > >>Learning products. > >> > >>I've had some communication with codeweavers recently and they were > >>ready to start porting it to their product but there was not enough > >>interest to make it worth their while. Also Renlearn is in the process > >>of moving all products to their Renaissance Place software model. > >>Chances are the old products will be shelved over the next few years. > >> > >>Honestly, building an OSS interface and DB back end for what I'd like to > >>name > >>"Everyone Reads!" is very doable. It's the test bank that is the real > >>"got ya". > >> > >>It would take quite an initiative to get enough volunteers to build up a > >>test bank to make such an undertaking worthwhile. > >> > >>So there it is, my semi annual AR gripe session. > >> > >> > >>Jeff wrote: > >> > >> > >>> 3. AR/STAR Take XXXXXVI (give or take a few) (Jeff Davis) > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >>>I'm sure this has been asked and/or answered here before - Can k12ltsp > >>>allow the linux terminals to run AR/STAR via wine or ??? This would be > >>>part one of a two part holy grail. The other would be MS Access (yuck). > >>> > >>>Thanks. > >>> > >>>-- > >>>Jefferson K. Davis > >>>Technology and Information Systems Manager > >>>Standard School District > >>>1200 North Chester Ave > >>>Bakersfield, CA 93308 > >>>USA > >>>661-392-2110 ext 120 > >>> > >>> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>K12OSN mailing list > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>For more info see > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > > From mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us Thu Jan 27 21:18:36 2005 From: mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us (mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:18:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] rsync SELinux extended attributes In-Reply-To: <41F549D5.3000707@paasda.org> References: <1106590078.10286.23.camel@bigsanta.berthit> <41F549D5.3000707@paasda.org> Message-ID: <1164.24.2.210.202.1106860716.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> I've been using rsync on a nightly basis to copy changes in the /home directory and some other directories to a backup samba server. I've recently built new samba servers based on the K12LTSP 4.0 cd's. It appears to me that the only backup utility to support extended attributes is star. Does anyone know whether rsync supports extended attributes for an ext3 to ext3 synchronization? From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Jan 27 21:21:28 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:21:28 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Bondi Mac booting ltsp Message-ID: <200501272024.j0RKO2u14485@downeast.net> jim: ill bring you a couple dayna cards for linuxworld..chuck > > without openfirmware i do not know how to do ought but turn > > 5200s into chubby clients..by installing 7.6.1 on them and > > skips sea.bin..it would be interesting to try them with new > > root filesystem..Even at 75mhz they did an alright job except > > they booted up kind of slow..i think i have two "bondis" > > here..the puike green gave it away..chuck > > I setup a 5200 about a year ago with some info you gave me. I never > completed the setup because every machine I have contains the one NIC > that doesn't work. I may revisit that again. But those machines are > getting so old it may not be worth it. > > Also add a Tangerine iBook (the clamshell style) to the list of bootable > clients. > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Jan 27 21:31:26 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:31:26 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Bondi Mac booting ltsp In-Reply-To: <200501272024.j0RKO2u14485@downeast.net> Message-ID: <002b01c504b7$8e4c2b90$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> > jim: ill bring you a couple dayna cards for linuxworld..chuck Thanks! -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Jan 28 02:06:49 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:06:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Bondi Mac booting ltsp In-Reply-To: <002b01c504b7$8e4c2b90$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <002b01c504b7$8e4c2b90$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: Hey Chuck and Jim...just curious....with what generation of machine did OpenFirmware start? Any pre-iMac G3's have it? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Jan 28 02:06:49 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:06:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Bondi Mac booting ltsp In-Reply-To: <002b01c504b7$8e4c2b90$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <002b01c504b7$8e4c2b90$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: Hey Chuck and Jim...just curious....with what generation of machine did OpenFirmware start? Any pre-iMac G3's have it? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From cliebow at downeast.net Fri Jan 28 02:01:10 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 02:01:10 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Bondi Mac booting ltsp Message-ID: <200501280103.j0S13gu12408@downeast.net> well the fruity bluegreen ones do have open firmware..the beige g3 do not..i may take a stab at ruinin..errreimaging an ibook tomaoorew..i can mount /dev/hda i am pretty sure i can dd to it..chuck > Hey Chuck and Jim...just curious....with what generation of machine did > OpenFirmware start? Any pre-iMac G3's have it? > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From lewis at pcc.com Fri Jan 28 02:07:18 2005 From: lewis at pcc.com (Lewis Holcroft) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:07:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Customising Applications menu in K12LTSP 4.2.0 In-Reply-To: <02e001c50491$5995b680$65c8a8c0@brianwork> References: <013a01c50463$8a6fbfe0$65c8a8c0@brianwork> <41F8DA52.9050801@redeemer.qld.edu.au> <02e001c50491$5995b680$65c8a8c0@brianwork> Message-ID: Brian, I'd settle for a nice command line option. I spent hours trying to get this worked out. In the end 45 minutes with IceWM got me just what I wanted. The thing I like most about IceWM is that I can create all the graphical menus in the world by editing very simple, well commented, text files. Lewis On Jan 27, 2005, at 11:57 AM, Brian Chivers wrote: > Debbie Schiel wrote: >> Hi Brian, >> >> This is a bit of a sore point when it comes to gnome menus - I haven't >> yet found an easy way to edit them, despite loads of howtoz... do a >> google search for 'k12osn editing gnome menus', and check out the >> wikki - >> > http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/ > Adding%20Menu%20Entries%20in%20FC2 >> >> The easiest way for me though was to ditch gnome and switch to iceWM - >> it loads faster (especially on thin clients) and the menu is dead easy >> to edit, even for a newbie like me... see post titled 'making menu >> icons bigger in IceWM' >> >> Best regards, >> >> Debbie >> >> Brian Chivers wrote: >>> First let me introduce myself >>> >>> I'm Brian Chivers, I work at Portsmouth College as a ICT Support >>> Officer. I have recently downloaded and install the k12LTSP and I'm >>> really impressed with the easy of install, that the intro out the >>> way *grin* >>> >>> I have a thin client connecting via PXE booting but I'd like to know >>> how to remove things from the Applications menu's, it's things like >>> the systems tools etc, I realise that users can't access them with >>> the correct privilages but if it's not there they won't try. >>> >>> I have tried right clicking on them, shift click but the "Remove >>> this item" is always greyed out. >>> >>> Can some point me in the right direction, I think I'm google'd out. >>> >>> Thanks >>> Brian >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------- >>> The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily >>> the views of Portsmouth College >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > I think I've made a bit of a break through with this. > > If you move the files from /usr/share/applications to somewhere safe > (I've > stored them in a dir in /root) and then do a > /usr/sbin/gdm-safe-restart they > vanish from the menu. > > It's not brilliant but it's a start !! I wish there was a nice > graphical way > of doing this > > Brian > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily > the views of Portsmouth College > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------- The instructions said to use Windows 98 or better.... So I installed Linux. From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Jan 28 02:27:40 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:27:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Bondi Mac booting ltsp In-Reply-To: <200501280103.j0S13gu12408@downeast.net> References: <200501280103.j0S13gu12408@downeast.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, January 27, 2005 at 9:01 PM +0000 wrote: >well the fruity bluegreen ones do have open firmware..the beige g3 do >not..i may take a stab at ruinin..errreimaging an ibook tomaoorew..i can >mount /dev/hda i am pretty sure i can dd to it..chuck OOH! that'd be too cool! We could have a Linux imaging system for OS X and the laptops? That'd be a big ace in the hole..... David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From jam at mcquil.com Fri Jan 28 02:24:30 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:24:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Bondi Mac booting ltsp In-Reply-To: <002101c50489$40359050$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <002101c50489$40359050$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: Jim, With help from Chuck, i've been able to figure out the correct string to check for, to set the correct root-path. I've written up my method on the LTSP wiki. Take a look at this doc: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/DHCP#How_to_automatically_pass_the_co Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Thu, 27 Jan 2005, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > Chuck and Jim, > > > > There's a much better solution to the problem, that doesn't > > require hard-wiring a directory. > > > > When a DHCP client sends a request, it sends a > > vendor-class-identifier, so that the dhcp server knows > > something about the client. PXE bootroms send 'PXEClient'. > > Etherboot bootroms send 'Etherboot'. > > > > Well, we just need to tell the dhclient in the ppc initrd to > > send something unique, that we can identify it by. Then, in > > dhcpd.conf, we can have an entry like this: > > > > if substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 8) = "PPC_LTSP" { > > option root-path "192.168.0.254:/opt/ltsp/ppc"; > > } > > else{ > > option root-path "192.168.0.254:/opt/ltsp/i386"; > > } > > > > > > That is, assuming we set the vendor-class-identifier to > > 'PPC_LTSP' in the initrd. it's WAY more flexible than having > > a sed script modify the root-path that is returned. > > Thanks Jim. I'll give it a try. This whole thing is awesome. I think > it will help afford a lot of current apple schools the option to slowly > transition to LTSP and eventually x86 bases clients. > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Fri Jan 28 02:24:45 2005 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:24:45 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Old x_mode won't go in 4.2 & clients can't find dhcp server unless mac specified Message-ID: Hi Everyone, I still haven't found a solution to getting all of my monitors that were all running 1024x768 in K12LTSP 3.x using XSERVER = auto and the standard modeline of X_MODE_0 = 1024x768 65 1024 1048 1184 1344 768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync working... I have set them to X_MODE_0 = 800x600 to get them going. Also, I had my other lab down for an extra day, until I specified each of the 28 macs in the dhcp.conf file. The clients would just still there, forever, looking for a dhcp server, kind of weird. Same as above- no hardware changes and I referenced all of the old .conf files. I didn't replace them, I just edited the new ones, carefully. Il'd love to hear of any ideas. If they worked before, they ought to go now, right? Thanks, Jim From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Jan 28 03:01:44 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:01:44 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Bondi Mac booting ltsp In-Reply-To: References: <002101c50489$40359050$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20050128025905.M24391@winonacotter.org> > Jim, > > With help from Chuck, i've been able to figure out the correct > string to check for, to set the correct root-path. > > I've written up my method on the LTSP wiki. Take a look at this doc: > > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/DHCP#How_to_automatically_pass_the_c o > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org Cool! I think the if statement for loading the correct filename need to have an elseif added to it as well. Instead of PXEboot or vmlinuz (I know that isn't the right names) the "ppc" vendor needs to load filename "yaboot". I don't know the correct syntax to do a if, elseif, if statement since there will need to be three options to handle PXE. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jam at mcquil.com Fri Jan 28 03:12:26 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 22:12:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Bondi Mac booting ltsp In-Reply-To: <20050128025905.M24391@winonacotter.org> References: <002101c50489$40359050$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> <20050128025905.M24391@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 27 Jan 2005, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > Jim, > > > > With help from Chuck, i've been able to figure out the correct > > string to check for, to set the correct root-path. > > > > I've written up my method on the LTSP wiki. Take a look at this doc: > > > > > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/DHCP#How_to_automatically_pass_the_c > o > > > > Jim McQuillan > > jam at Ltsp.org > > Cool! I think the if statement for loading the correct filename need to > have an elseif added to it as well. Instead of PXEboot or vmlinuz (I know > that isn't the right names) the "ppc" vendor needs to load > filename "yaboot". I don't know the correct syntax to do a if, elseif, if > statement since there will need to be three options to handle PXE. not exactly.. when an LTSP workstation boots, there are 2 separate times that a DHCP request is made. First, when the bootrom sends a request. in that case, we should be looking for 'PXEClient', or 'Etherboot', or whatever the iMac sends. At this point, we need to figure out which bootfile to send down. Maybe the kernel, maybe the pxelinux bootloader, or maybe yaboot, depending on the vendor-client-identifier sent by bootrom. Then, a send DHCP request is made when the initrd has been loaded, and the /linuxrc script is running. That's when dhcpcd is running, and it sends out a string, looking like 'Linux 2.4.24-ltsp-2 ppc'. This is when we decide whether to send the root-path with '/opt/ltsp/i386' or '/opt/ltsp/ppc'. When I talked to Chuck, he said the macs don't figure out the filename to load based on a dhcp response. Instead, they are hardcoded to grab a file called 'yaboot.conf', which contains the name of the kernel to download. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Jan 28 03:11:59 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:11:59 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Bondi Mac booting ltsp In-Reply-To: References: <200501280103.j0S13gu12408@downeast.net> Message-ID: <20050128030209.M8556@winonacotter.org> > "Support list for opensource software in schools." > on Thursday, January 27, 2005 at 9:01 PM +0000 wrote: > >well the fruity bluegreen ones do have open firmware..the beige g3 do > >not..i may take a stab at ruinin..errreimaging an ibook tomaoorew..i can > >mount /dev/hda i am pretty sure i can dd to it..chuck > > OOH! that'd be too cool! We could have a Linux imaging system for > OS X and the laptops? That'd be a big ace in the hole..... Funny you guys mention that. This is exactly what I was thinking today as well. Why wouldn't we be able to make an /opt/ltsp/osx/ with a OSX directory structure to boot as a thin terminal. This could open up a whole to potential for ltsp in the educational and business environments. You could have an easy to use and highly supported operating system booting thin. I wonder how Apple would see the licensing on that one? Who cares for now. Is it as simple as tarring up a running OSX machine that is set to Authenticate from a LDAP server and placing it in /opt/ltsp/osx/ and then setting up dhcpd.conf with the correct directory info? Then I could ditch the whold OSX netbooting concept altogether and go full ltsp thins for 2 platforms! We could even do the same approach as with Windows Term services and have a one screen load k12ltsp, and the other load OSX and use hotkeys to switch between them, very cool. I did successfully boot today with this setup the following: Powerbook G3 (bronze keyboard) iBook Clamshell (Tangerine, Indigo, Blueberry_ iBook Snow (12" screen) Bondi iMac iMac G4 Flatscreen (ET) iMac Indigo (still need working XF86Config for this one) I think that the first Generation iMac G3 Bondi in 98 or so was the first Mac with open firmware, and anything after that date has it. No beige machines do. (I do suspect maybe a G3-All-in-One may though, will try tomorrow) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Jan 28 03:20:15 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:20:15 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Bondi Mac booting ltsp In-Reply-To: References: <002101c50489$40359050$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> <20050128025905.M24391@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20050128031327.M27082@winonacotter.org> > When I talked to Chuck, he said the macs don't figure out the > filename to load based on a dhcp response. Instead, they are > hardcoded to grab a file called 'yaboot.conf', which contains the > name of the kernel to download. >From what I see it gets the IP from DHCP, then loads filename "yaboot" (instead of a kernel) and mounts the correct NFS directory of /opt/ltsp/ppc. And yaboot looks at yaboot.conf for what kernel and initrd to load and where. So in order to load yaboot and not the PXE or vmlinuz kernel we would need to specify a separate section in dhcpd.conf to call filename yaboot for the macs. So I was thinking if we did that with the if statement maybe we could avoid separate configs for macs altogether. I may save the trouble of having to enter the Mac Addresses of each mac. Also I think from what I was seeing the initrd that is in the tar.gz files I got from Chuck the vendor code is set to "AAPLBSDPC". Is there a way to check the initrd to find out for sure? -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au Fri Jan 28 03:28:46 2005 From: debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au (Debbie Schiel) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:28:46 +1100 Subject: [K12OSN] Customising Applications menu in K12LTSP 4.2.0 In-Reply-To: <025801c50476$7915efe0$65c8a8c0@brianwork> References: <013a01c50463$8a6fbfe0$65c8a8c0@brianwork> <41F8DA52.9050801@redeemer.qld.edu.au> <025801c50476$7915efe0$65c8a8c0@brianwork> Message-ID: <1106882926.41f9b16e1cfac@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> Google goes straight to it: http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=making+menu+icons+bigger+in+IceWM+k12osn&meta= -- http://www.redeemer.qld.edu.au Quoting Brian Chivers : > Debbie Schiel wrote: > > Hi Brian, > > > > This is a bit of a sore point when it comes to gnome menus - I haven't > > yet found an easy way to edit them, despite loads of howtoz... do a > > google search for 'k12osn editing gnome menus', and check out the > > wikki - > > > http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Adding%20Menu%20Entries%20in%20FC2 > > > > The easiest way for me though was to ditch gnome and switch to iceWM - > > it loads faster (especially on thin clients) and the menu is dead easy > > to edit, even for a newbie like me... see post titled 'making menu > > icons bigger in IceWM' > > > > Best regards, > > > > Debbie > > > > Brian Chivers wrote: > >> First let me introduce myself > >> > >> I'm Brian Chivers, I work at Portsmouth College as a ICT Support > >> Officer. I have recently downloaded and install the k12LTSP and I'm > >> really impressed with the easy of install, that the intro out the > >> way *grin* > >> > >> I have a thin client connecting via PXE booting but I'd like to know > >> how to remove things from the Applications menu's, it's things like > >> the systems tools etc, I realise that users can't access them with > >> the correct privilages but if it's not there they won't try. > >> > >> I have tried right clicking on them, shift click but the "Remove > >> this item" is always greyed out. > >> > >> Can some point me in the right direction, I think I'm google'd out. > >> > >> Thanks > >> Brian > >> > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------- > >> The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily > >> the views of Portsmouth College > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > > > Thanks > > I like the look of ICEWM especially how you can make it look like WinXP > (well the students will like it), I'll have a look for the post to edit the > menu's etc, any idea roughly when the post was ? so I don't have to sift > through to many posts *grin* > > Brian > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily > the views of Portsmouth College > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Jan 28 03:56:42 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:56:42 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Bondi Mac booting ltsp In-Reply-To: <20050128031327.M27082@winonacotter.org> References: <002101c50489$40359050$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> <20050128025905.M24391@winonacotter.org> <20050128031327.M27082@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20050128035539.M2600@winonacotter.org> > From what I see it gets the IP from DHCP, then loads filename "yaboot" > (instead of a kernel) and mounts the correct NFS directory > of /opt/ltsp/ppc. And yaboot looks at yaboot.conf for what kernel > and initrd to load and where. So in order to load yaboot and not > the PXE or vmlinuz kernel we would need to specify a separate > section in dhcpd.conf to call filename yaboot for the macs. So I > was thinking if we did that with the if statement maybe we could > avoid separate configs for macs altogether. I just read through what you posted on the wiki. I'll try these changes tomorrow to see if I can get things too boot without a specific config in dhcpd.conf. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From tuxnician at execulink.com Fri Jan 28 04:23:07 2005 From: tuxnician at execulink.com (Jason) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 23:23:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] KNotify Problem In-Reply-To: <1102513241.27734.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1102513241.27734.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <41F9BE2B.9030808@execulink.com> Calvin, I just discovered this on one of our servers using 4.2. It started on Monday morning and continued until I rebooted the server today. I looked at the processes and quite a few were running for users that were not logged in. The runaway processes were taking a lot of cpu time (one was chess at 54% of the cpu time). I rebooted and the runaway processes were gone. I found a script called maim that is supposed to kill processes by the user who started them but no luck so far. Calvin Park wrote: > One of my Computer Center Technicians left me a note describing an error > that occured last night and caused all terminals to reboot. He said > error messages came up on all screens at the same time last night...the > messages were something to the effect of "The application KNotify > crashed and caused the Signal II (SIGSEGV)." > > The messages came up, all terminals locked, and then the system > rebooted. The screens all went blank, then about 10 minutes later all of > our network bootable machines started again. The others I started this > morning with boot disks. > > I checked /var/log/messages this morning...I can't seem to find anything > about a KNotify problem. I did see where the server lost connection to > all the workstations (ie, I saw lots of failed pings), the server > whacked the displays and a minute or so later starting getting > DHCPREQUESTS again. The message directly before the failed pings was > from verynice about "Process measurement too slow." > > If anyone has any light to shed on this problem, it'd be great. We're > running K12LTSP 4.1 > From phealy at dsta.net Fri Jan 28 06:39:46 2005 From: phealy at dsta.net (Patrick Healy) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 22:39:46 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] icewm problem with fix suggestion Message-ID: <1106894386.25955.11.camel@orion> On Tue, 25 Jan 2005, Eric Harrison wrote: > I have not fully tested the new packages yet, so I stuck them > in my "testing" directory: > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/ > > Give 'em a spin and let me know if you run into any problems. > These did the trick. My load average is back down, and server seems fine, even with ICEWM_USE_SESSION=YES in /etc/sysconfig/icewm. The only glitch was that the themes pkg complained about not being Eric Harrison, but using root instead. But who could blame it, really? ;-) Thanks, Eric. Pat Healy Palm Desert High School From bimal.pandit at indoasian.com Fri Jan 28 08:18:40 2005 From: bimal.pandit at indoasian.com (Bimal Pandit) Date: 28 Jan 2005 13:48:40 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] XF86Config.ws004 Message-ID: <1106900320.2972.23.camel@bp5575> Dear Sir, ------SNIP-------- Can do. I'll have the setup along with me at the Lenox in Boston. I figure 3 iBooks and one 4 port switch (1 Server and 2 clients) shouldn't be too bad to carry around. It'll be nice to have a portable network to mess with over there. I have gotten X to run on the iBook now thanks to Jim M's suggestion to put the XF86Config.ws004 in /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc. Now my last problem is that the actual size of the display is larger than the physical size of the 12" iBook monitor. So about 4" is cut off on the right hand and bottom edges. I am sure this is one more tweak to the XF86Config but I don't know what to change since this is an exact duplicate of the XF86Config in the running YDL server iBook that displays fine). Any more suggestions would be awesome. Till then I'll just poke at settings and see what happens. I think I am going to fire up a Bondi, Indigo, and flat panel iMac quick just to see what happens. ------SNIP-------- you need to check entries in /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc/XF86Config.ws004 as Section "Screen" Identifier "Screen0" Device "Videocard0" Monitor "Monitor0" DefaultDepth 24 <----THIS SubSection "Display" Depth 24 <----THIS Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" <----THIS EndSubSection EndSection i mean change the depth and/or Modes, you need to fiddle a bit. hope this helps. regards, bimal pandit From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Fri Jan 28 11:01:56 2005 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 11:01:56 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] KNotify Problem In-Reply-To: <41F9BE2B.9030808@execulink.com> References: <1102513241.27734.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <41F9BE2B.9030808@execulink.com> Message-ID: <200501281101.56686.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> On Friday 28 Jan 2005 4:23 am, Jason wrote: > I looked at the processes and quite a few were running for users that > were not logged in. The runaway processes were taking a lot of cpu time > (one was chess at 54% of the cpu time). I rebooted and the runaway > processes were gone. I found a script called maim that is supposed to > kill processes by the user who started them but no luck so far. You might look at logmon (http://www.computron.com/) I know that it works well under AIX and I see on their website they have ported it to Linux. One of my many tasks is to get this working at our site; I haven't enough time to do the research to see how it handles idle X sessions. -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From ahodson at elp.rr.com Fri Jan 28 13:52:01 2005 From: ahodson at elp.rr.com (Alan A Hodson) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 06:52:01 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Digital PC 500 video problem Message-ID: Hi folks If you have access to information regarding Digital PC 500 computers, perhaps you can post/share information. I have a school that has about a dozen of these donated creatures sitting unused - the principal is wanting to use these machines for a Parent Center in a neighborhood that REALLY could use one! When I try loading ANY linux the monitor fills with vertical lines, and the cursor leaves a trail, rendering then visually useless. The problem seems to be a video card incompatibility. How/where can I determine what type of video card these Digital PC 500 have, and how do I determine what version of Linux or what patch to load? Brainstorm suggestions gladly accepted. Thanks for the tips and help Alan A Hodson El Paso ISD, TX aahodson at episd.org http://links.episd.org -=o=- From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Fri Jan 28 14:29:37 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:29:37 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Digital PC 500 video problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <09BD6604-7139-11D9-ADF5-000A9582347C@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Jan 28, 2005, at 7:52 AM, Alan A Hodson wrote: > > The problem seems to be a video card incompatibility. How/where can I > determine what type of video card these Digital PC 500 have, and how > do I determine what version of Linux or what patch to load? Brainstorm > suggestions gladly accepted. > If you can boot it into text (command line) mode, try running the command "lspci". It should list all of the hardware on your PCI/AGP/USB busses. You can usually find out the type of chipset on your video card by looking at the output. TIp: use "lspci | less" (the middle character is the pipe, it's the shift+\) so you can use the arrow keys to page up and down though the output instead of having it all flash by at once. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkH6TFEACgkQfqZR3ThMfXQqZQCeMLlTYls9JJrYWMmwN6wIrPEF WGEAn3V4h3N33XUUuHzaSYpKzMpy/6Y4 =/rGc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From petre at maltzen.net Fri Jan 28 14:32:17 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:32:17 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Digital PC 500 video problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41FA4CF1.5010908@maltzen.net> Could you boot a Knoppix CD on it? Petre Alan A Hodson wrote: > Hi folks > > If you have access to information regarding Digital PC 500 computers, > perhaps you can post/share information. I have a school that has about a > dozen of these donated creatures sitting unused - the principal is > wanting to use these machines for a Parent Center in a neighborhood that > REALLY could use one! When I try loading ANY linux the monitor fills > with vertical lines, and the cursor leaves a trail, rendering then > visually useless. > > The problem seems to be a video card incompatibility. How/where can I > determine what type of video card these Digital PC 500 have, and how do > I determine what version of Linux or what patch to load? Brainstorm > suggestions gladly accepted. > > Thanks for the tips and help > > Alan A Hodson > El Paso ISD, TX > aahodson at episd.org > http://links.episd.org > -=o=- > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From SelzlerB at esuhsd.org Fri Jan 28 15:20:42 2005 From: SelzlerB at esuhsd.org (Selzler, Bruce) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 07:20:42 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Info for Booting iMacs to LTSP? Message-ID: <0F900389C3BCBF4D98226694DBE963F209E88D03@ECMAIL1.esuhsd.org> Hello Team, I've been reading this discussion on booting old iMacs to LTSP. As we have a bunch of them here on campus that are currently not in use. Is there any documentation or how-to's on setting up an iMac to net boot to LTSP? Let me know what you think. - Sez From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Fri Jan 28 15:24:08 2005 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:24:08 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] icewm problem with fix suggestion Message-ID: Hi Eric, Is this to turn off the icewm-session processes that I have read about in previous emails? What do your testing icewm rpms actually change? Thanks as usual for the great system, Jim From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Jan 28 15:27:48 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 09:27:48 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Info for Booting iMacs to LTSP? In-Reply-To: <0F900389C3BCBF4D98226694DBE963F209E88D03@ECMAIL1.esuhsd.org> Message-ID: <001a01c5054d$ec0c58e0$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> > Hello Team, > > I've been reading this discussion on booting old iMacs to > LTSP. As we have a bunch of them here on campus that are > currently not in use. > > Is there any documentation or how-to's on setting up an iMac > to net boot to LTSP? > > Let me know what you think. > > - Sez What vintage iMac? The color should be enough to give me an idea of what will work. I haven't completed any documentation yet as I am first looking for a way to simplify the setup and settings. I tried a bunch of stuff with the suggestions Jim M made last night for simplifying dhcpd.conf but haven't had any luck. Give me another week or so and I should be able to have a fairly easy to follow procedure written up. I would like to get a script written to handle most of the work before writing the installation procedure, then just give the details in an overview. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Jan 28 16:05:57 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:05:57 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Streamlining LTSP Mac support Message-ID: <00a701c50553$40a3fac0$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> Chuck and Jim, I cannot get the suggested changes for finding a specific vendor code and choosing the right base directory and filename. I would like to get things to where the only time you would need a mac address is if X didn't work fully automatic and you needed to specify a specific setup in lts.conf. Once this stage is setup right I would like to turn it into a package that when you ran an installer script it would expand /opt/ltsp/ppc, echo a new line into /etc/exports, echo the new lines into dhcpd.conf (all echo additions commented by default), and expand the yaboot-yaboot.conf-inird files into tftpboot. Then we could just include a README explaining to remove the comments from /etc/dhcpd.conf and /etc/exports and a summary of how things work so users could have the knowledge to tweak things. Maybe in Boston we could take a look at this. Otherwise if you have any other suggestions for me to try in the meantime let me know. I cannot get the macs to boot with the option vendor code stuff. I tried with the 20,3)="ppc" and with 0,9)="AAPLBSDPC" but no matter what I set the if statement won't work. And the macs will not boot if I don't set option vendor code = "AAPLBSDPC" under the workstation specific settings in dhcpd.conf. Thanks Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jam at mcquil.com Fri Jan 28 16:09:06 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 11:09:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Streamlining LTSP Mac support In-Reply-To: <00a701c50553$40a3fac0$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <00a701c50553$40a3fac0$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: Jim, can you join me on the #ltsp IRC channel? We can work through this interactively, and get to the bottom of it quickly. Jim. On Fri, 28 Jan 2005, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Chuck and Jim, > I cannot get the suggested changes for finding a specific vendor > code and choosing the right base directory and filename. I would like > to get things to where the only time you would need a mac address is if > X didn't work fully automatic and you needed to specify a specific setup > in lts.conf. Once this stage is setup right I would like to turn it > into a package that when you ran an installer script it would expand > /opt/ltsp/ppc, echo a new line into /etc/exports, echo the new lines > into dhcpd.conf (all echo additions commented by default), and expand > the yaboot-yaboot.conf-inird files into tftpboot. Then we could just > include a README explaining to remove the comments from /etc/dhcpd.conf > and /etc/exports and a summary of how things work so users could have > the knowledge to tweak things. > > Maybe in Boston we could take a look at this. Otherwise if you > have any other suggestions for me to try in the meantime let me know. I > cannot get the macs to boot with the option vendor code stuff. I tried > with the 20,3)="ppc" and with 0,9)="AAPLBSDPC" but no matter what I set > the if statement won't work. And the macs will not boot if I don't set > option vendor code = "AAPLBSDPC" under the workstation specific settings > in dhcpd.conf. > > Thanks > > Jim Kronebusch > Cotter Tech Department > 507-453-5188 > jim at winonacotter.org > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Jan 28 16:17:32 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:17:32 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Streamlining LTSP Mac support In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00a901c50554$df2c2090$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> > Jim, > > can you join me on the #ltsp IRC channel? We can work > through this interactively, and get to the bottom of it quickly. > > Jim. Sure. Just one small problem, I have never joined the IRC channel :-) How do I do so? -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jam at mcquil.com Fri Jan 28 16:19:27 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 11:19:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Streamlining LTSP Mac support In-Reply-To: <00a901c50554$df2c2090$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <00a901c50554$df2c2090$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 28 Jan 2005, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > Jim, > > > > can you join me on the #ltsp IRC channel? We can work > > through this interactively, and get to the bottom of it quickly. > > > > Jim. > > Sure. Just one small problem, I have never joined the IRC channel :-) > How do I do so? Oh boy, yer in for some fun. Take a look at this page: http://www.ltsp.org/irc.php Lots of folks are using xchat for a client. I use BitchX. There's also chatzilla and some Java IRC clients. Jim. > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Fri Jan 28 16:04:46 2005 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 09:04:46 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] KNotify Problem Message-ID: Hi, If you have processes left over after users logoff try: This is turned off by default. To turn it on, edit /etc/sysconfig/k12ltsp and set: PURGE_PROCESSES=YES -Eric I have used Eric's purge scripts for years- they really save a ton of headaches. Good Luck, Jim From scdslinuslist at shoreschool.org Fri Jan 28 16:25:20 2005 From: scdslinuslist at shoreschool.org (Linux Listserv) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 11:25:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] New World ROM iMac thin client Message-ID: I've been playing with this for the past couple hours and I'm so close, but not quite there yet. I've downloaded the applenetboot tar file and unpacked everything. I've place yaboot and yaboot.conf into the /tftpboot folder. I've also place the vmlinux-ppc-2.4.22-ltsp-1 and initrd-ppc-2.4.22-ltsp-1 files into the /tftpboot folder. I've modified my dhcpd.conf file to include a host entry for the one iMac that I'm testing. Here's what that looks like host ws099 { option root-path "192.168.0.254:/opt/ltsp/ppc"; option routers 192.168.0.254; option dhcp-parameter-request-list 1,3,6,15,17,43,44,46,60; filename "yaboot"; server-name "ltsp"; option vendor-class-identifier "AAPLBSDPC"; option vendor-encapsulated-options 01:01:02:08:04:01:00:00:01:82: 05: # length 69:6d:61:63:34; # hostname hardware ethernet 00:30:65:54:d8:b2; fixed-address 192.168.0.99; } So, what's not working? On the iMac I boot into open firmware (cmd-opt-o-f) and type boot enet:192.168.0.254. Then, after a slight delay, the screen goes from black text on white background (apple's open firmware) to white text on black background. I get "Lumensoftware Terminal Server" text at the top (from the yaboot.conf file) and then after a couple seconds it tries to boot linux. I then get the following (painstakingly re-typed): CLIENT: 00306554d8b2 192.168.0.99 SERVER: 000a5e1ae8b3 192.168.0.254 Transfer FILE: /tftpboot/vmlinux-ppc-2.4.22-ltsp-1 TFTP ERROR response 1 File not found Can't read Elf e_ident/e_type/e_machine info boot: Any idea what I'm doing wrong? Christopher Butler cbutler at shoreschool.org From ahodson at elp.rr.com Fri Jan 28 16:36:59 2005 From: ahodson at elp.rr.com (ahodson at elp.rr.com) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 09:36:59 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Digital PC 500 video problem Message-ID: <43433b4341b7.4341b743433b@texas.rr.com> Knoppix (and a few other CD-boots) cause the same video problem... I am ready to test a new video card- which one should i get? Cheers Alan -=o=- ----- Original Message ----- From: Petre Scheie Date: Friday, January 28, 2005 7:32 am Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Digital PC 500 video problem > Could you boot a Knoppix CD on it? > > Petre > > Alan A Hodson wrote: > > Hi folks > > > > If you have access to information regarding Digital PC 500 > computers, > > perhaps you can post/share information. I have a school that has > about a > > dozen of these donated creatures sitting unused - the principal > is > > wanting to use these machines for a Parent Center in a > neighborhood that > > REALLY could use one! When I try loading ANY linux the monitor > fills > > with vertical lines, and the cursor leaves a trail, rendering > then > > visually useless. > > > > The problem seems to be a video card incompatibility. How/where > can I > > determine what type of video card these Digital PC 500 have, and > how do > > I determine what version of Linux or what patch to load? > Brainstorm > > suggestions gladly accepted. > > > > Thanks for the tips and help > > > > Alan A Hodson > > El Paso ISD, TX > > aahodson at episd.org > > http://links.episd.org > > -=o=- > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Jan 28 16:43:21 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:43:21 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] New World ROM iMac thin client In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00aa01c50558$7a2408d0$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> > I've been playing with this for the past couple hours and I'm > so close, but not quite there yet. I've downloaded the > applenetboot tar file and unpacked everything. I've place > yaboot and yaboot.conf into the /tftpboot folder. I've also > place the vmlinux-ppc-2.4.22-ltsp-1 and > initrd-ppc-2.4.22-ltsp-1 files into the /tftpboot folder. > > I've modified my dhcpd.conf file to include a host entry for > the one iMac that I'm testing. Here's what that looks like > > host ws099 { > option root-path "192.168.0.254:/opt/ltsp/ppc"; > option routers 192.168.0.254; > option dhcp-parameter-request-list 1,3,6,15,17,43,44,46,60; > filename "yaboot"; > server-name "ltsp"; > option vendor-class-identifier "AAPLBSDPC"; > option vendor-encapsulated-options > 01:01:02:08:04:01:00:00:01:82: > 05: # length > 69:6d:61:63:34; # hostname > hardware ethernet 00:30:65:54:d8:b2; > fixed-address 192.168.0.99; > } > > So, what's not working? On the iMac I boot into open firmware > (cmd-opt-o-f) and type boot enet:192.168.0.254. Then, after > a slight delay, the screen goes from black text on white > background (apple's open > firmware) to white text on black background. I get > "Lumensoftware Terminal Server" text at the top (from the > yaboot.conf file) and then after a couple seconds it tries to > boot linux. I then get the following (painstakingly re-typed): > > CLIENT: 00306554d8b2 192.168.0.99 > SERVER: 000a5e1ae8b3 192.168.0.254 > Transfer FILE: /tftpboot/vmlinux-ppc-2.4.22-ltsp-1 > TFTP ERROR response 1 File not found > Can't read Elf e_ident/e_type/e_machine info > boot: > > Any idea what I'm doing wrong? Make sure you add the following to /etc/exports: /opt/ltsp/ppc 10.6.0.0/255.255.0.0(ro,no_root_squash,sync) Also modify the yaboot.conf with the following: #device=enet: #partition=0 timeout=30 init-message="Lumensoftware Terminal Server" default=linux image=/vmlinux-ppc-2.4.22-ltsp-1 label=linux initrd=/initrd-ppc-2.4.22-ltsp-1 append="init=/linuxrc rw root=/dev/ram0" And you should be able to reduce your config in dhcpd.conf to the following: host ws099 { hardware ethernet 00:30:65:54:d8:b2; fixed-address 192.168.0.99; option root-path "192.168.0.254:/opt/ltsp/ppc"; filename "yaboot"; option vendor-class-identifier "AAPLBSDPC"; } When we get things packages up I make sure the needed changes are reflected. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From SelzlerB at esuhsd.org Fri Jan 28 18:15:13 2005 From: SelzlerB at esuhsd.org (Selzler, Bruce) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:15:13 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Booting from an iMac Message-ID: <0F900389C3BCBF4D98226694DBE963F209E88D2B@ECMAIL1.esuhsd.org> ********************************************* Bruce Selzler Digital High School Resource Teacher http://homepage.mac.com/sez selzlerb at esuhsd.org sez at mac.com office:(408) 347.4936 cell: (408) 893.6161 mobile msg: 4088936161 at mobile.att.net ************************************************ [Jim Kronebusch] >> What vintage iMac? The color should be enough to give me an idea ofwhat will work. I haven't completed any documentation yet as I am first looking for a way to simplify the setup and settings. I tried a bunch of stuff with the suggestions Jim M made last night for simplifying dhcpd.conf but haven't had any luck. Give me another week or so and I should be able to have a fairly easy to follow procedure written up. I would like to get a script written to handle most of the work before writing the installation procedure, then just give the details in an overview. [Jim Kronebusch] [Selzler, Bruce] We've got everything from the Bondi blue's to the DV's. That's basically whats available. Essentially the whole G3 iMac Line. Thanks for all your work. Very impressive. - Sez From aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org Fri Jan 28 18:18:35 2005 From: aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org (aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:18:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: user's disk usage and inodes Message-ID: <3111720242.1106918315@localhost> OT: I have a student user who seems to be taking 2.8 gig of storage space on a samba linux file server. I got this info from a program called 'xdiskusage' which scans a partition like /home and gives a list by directory and descending order of use. This student user is taking 2.8 gig. And directly under his /home/username folder is another entry in the list (xdiskusage) "2.8 gig inodes." If you look at his home directoy he only has about 100mb in files ? Where the heck is 2.8 gig coming from ? Will a boot in single mode and e2fsck free the inodes ? The 2.8 gig will also be reported from a windows98 box by right clicking the folder and properties. Thank you, Tom Ventresco From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Jan 28 18:20:38 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:20:38 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Booting from an iMac In-Reply-To: <0F900389C3BCBF4D98226694DBE963F209E88D2B@ECMAIL1.esuhsd.org> Message-ID: <00ab01c50566$114f7430$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> > [Selzler, Bruce] > We've got everything from the Bondi blue's to the DV's. > That's basically whats available. Essentially the whole G3 iMac Line. > > Thanks for all your work. Very impressive. > > - Sez Don't thank me. Thank Chuck, Jim M, and Bill C. I am just trying to find a way to package their work and make it understandable. The Bondi blue machines will boot right up with no extra work in the lts.conf. I'm still working on getting X to start on the indigo vintage. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Jan 28 20:25:51 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:25:51 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Streamlining LTSP Mac support In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00ae01c50577$8f638bc0$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> > Oh boy, yer in for some fun. Take a look at > this page: > > http://www.ltsp.org/irc.php > > Lots of folks are using xchat for a client. I use BitchX. There's also chatzilla and some Java IRC clients. > > Jim. I'm still working on getting a separate machine running that I can run the IRC client on and won't be affected with the changes we try to make. Since my current laptop is running OSX I am installing Xdarwin, Fink, and Xchat. I should be up shortly. It just takes forever for things to compile. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From mpribik at zoznam.sk Fri Jan 28 21:00:10 2005 From: mpribik at zoznam.sk (M.Pribik) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 22:00:10 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] hyperthreading Message-ID: <001601c5057c$5b566780$0100a8c0@Marian> I am using latest K12ltsp 4.2 version . I have Pentium 4 2.4Ghz Prescot processor and I cannot see if hyperthreading is active or not. Command cat /proc/cpuinfo gets info only for CPU0 and not for CPU1. Is there hyperthreading in K12ltsp 4.2 in standart distribution enabled or not? If not, is it possible to activate it and how to do it. Thank you for your advice. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Fri Jan 28 21:10:37 2005 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:10:37 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] hyperthreading In-Reply-To: <001601c5057c$5b566780$0100a8c0@Marian> References: <001601c5057c$5b566780$0100a8c0@Marian> Message-ID: <1106946637.23517.1.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> On Fri, 2005-01-28 at 22:00 +0100, M.Pribik wrote: > I am using latest K12ltsp 4.2 version . I have Pentium 4 2.4Ghz > Prescot processor and I cannot see if hyperthreading > is active or not. > Command cat /proc/cpuinfo gets info only for CPU0 and not for CPU1. > Is there hyperthreading in K12ltsp 4.2 in standart distribution > enabled or not? If not, is it possible to activate it and how to do > it. > Thank you for your advice. You have to have kernel-smp installed and booted, as well as possibly turning on hyperthreading in your BIOS. -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From jessemcdonnell at comcast.net Fri Jan 28 22:03:21 2005 From: jessemcdonnell at comcast.net (Jesse McDonnell) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:03:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] KNotify Problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050128170321.5aff5353.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 09:04:46 -0700 "Jim Christiansen" wrote: > Hi, > > If you have processes left over after users logoff try: > > This is turned off by default. To turn it on, > edit /etc/sysconfig/k12ltsp and set: > > PURGE_PROCESSES=YES > > -Eric > > I have used Eric's purge scripts for years- they really save a ton of > headaches. > > Good Luck, Jim > Will this purge screen also and, if so, is there any way around it? Screen is really useful for saving desktop space etc - I use it to have a number of different screens that I use every time I'm logged in - one to wget files, another using lynx for googling, another to run top, etc. Right now I can exit out of the terminal where screen is running and pick up screen again after I log in and launch a terminal. Jesse McDonnell. From jessemcdonnell at comcast.net Fri Jan 28 22:20:31 2005 From: jessemcdonnell at comcast.net (Jesse McDonnell) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:20:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] KNotify Problem In-Reply-To: <20050128170321.5aff5353.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> References: <20050128170321.5aff5353.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20050128172031.02a623ff.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:03:21 -0500 Jesse McDonnell wrote: > On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 09:04:46 -0700 > "Jim Christiansen" wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > If you have processes left over after users logoff try: > > > > This is turned off by default. To turn it on, > > edit /etc/sysconfig/k12ltsp and set: > > > > PURGE_PROCESSES=YES > > > > -Eric > > > > I have used Eric's purge scripts for years- they really save a ton of > > headaches. > > > > Good Luck, Jim > > > > Will this purge screen also and, if so, is there any way around it? Screen is really useful for saving desktop space etc - I use it to have a number of different screens that I use every time I'm logged in - one to wget files, another using lynx for googling, another to run top, etc. Right now I can exit out of the terminal where screen is running and pick up screen again after I log in and launch a terminal. > Forget to mention that I detach from screen before closing the terminal and logging out. Jesse McDonnell From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Fri Jan 28 22:41:41 2005 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:41:41 -0700 (MST) Subject: [K12OSN] reset-default-dekstops script Message-ID: <61325.142.179.217.37.1106952101.squirrel@142.179.217.37> I noticed that the reset-default-desktop script does NOT copy the /Desktop folder. I have placed various icons on the desktop for my users. It does work to populate new users from the /etc/skel, but the script to reset a particular user's desktop does not include the /Desktop with its included icon files. Can anyone give me instructions on how to tweak the script the Eric Harrison has included so that this would work? Many thanks Joe Guenther From toddobryan at mac.com Sat Jan 29 00:00:30 2005 From: toddobryan at mac.com (Todd O'Bryan) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 19:00:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Get rid of my PCs Message-ID: <366877457dcfb5ff872d8722764cf137@mac.com> My first year teaching, I had to use a K12LTSP lab because I had very old machines. The next year, the school bought me new machines. The principal was afraid of buying thin clients because they weren't on the approved list and no one would fix them. Well, we just got a new head of IT, and he's started to pilot Linux projects and is especially interested in thin clients. He just emailed me something that I don't know the answer to, so I'm asking... Can you run Mac apps on a thin client? They know they can run Windows and Linux, but don't know about Macs, and I must admit that I don't know either. Thanks, Todd O'Bryan P.S. Cross your fingers. I'm going to try to convince them to let me buy a server and thin clients as a pilot project and then give these virus-laden, permissions-confusing, time-sucking XP Pro machines to unsuspecting teachers who are still running Windows 95. :-) From tlegge at rogers.com Sat Jan 29 00:58:00 2005 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 20:58:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Get rid of my PCs In-Reply-To: <366877457dcfb5ff872d8722764cf137@mac.com> References: <366877457dcfb5ff872d8722764cf137@mac.com> Message-ID: <1106960279.15739.364.camel@athlon.johnsonavenue.org> On Fri, 2005-01-28 at 20:00, Todd O'Bryan wrote: > P.S. Cross your fingers. I'm going to try to convince them to let me > buy a server and thin clients as a pilot project and then give these > virus-laden, permissions-confusing, time-sucking XP Pro machines to > unsuspecting teachers who are still running Windows 95. :-) Please don't. It would be a far greater service to simply use those PCs as thin clients and format those drives. Why pass on the problems of Win XP to someone else? ;-) I recently converted 6 XP PCs to thin clients. I have not yet formatted the drives but that day is coming. I want to make sure XP never returns; 6 PCs are not much of a dent in the MS numbers, but its 6 less Windows machines that I will have to look after or be asked to fix... ;-) Tim From sudev at mantraonline.com Sat Jan 29 01:14:32 2005 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 06:44:32 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] KNotify Problem In-Reply-To: <20050128170321.5aff5353.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> References: <20050128170321.5aff5353.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1106961272.3030.7.camel@roop.ltsp> On Fri, 2005-01-28 at 17:03 -0500, Jesse McDonnell wrote: > On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 09:04:46 -0700 > "Jim Christiansen" wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > If you have processes left over after users logoff try: > > > > This is turned off by default. To turn it on, > > edit /etc/sysconfig/k12ltsp and set: > > > > PURGE_PROCESSES=YES > > > > -Eric > > > > I have used Eric's purge scripts for years- they really save a ton of > > headaches. > > > > Good Luck, Jim > > > > Will this purge screen also and, if so, is there any way around it? Screen is really useful for saving desktop space etc - I use it to have a number of different screens that I use every time I'm logged in - one to wget files, another using lynx for googling, another to run top, etc. Right now I can exit out of the terminal where screen is running and pick up screen again after I log in and launch a terminal. > > Jesse McDonnell. Jesse, You can specify min UID for purge in /usr/sbin/purge_user In our setup we have given UID of more than 600 for all users except the maintainers. This way with purge set to yes we are still able to screen. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From sudev at mantraonline.com Sat Jan 29 01:18:22 2005 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 06:48:22 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] [Bother?] k12ltsp for AMD_64 Message-ID: <1106961502.3030.11.camel@roop.ltsp> Eric, Great job on 4.2 Possibility of 64 bit distro? With more people opting for AMD on servers due to price performance...is it likely step? Sorry for being a bother. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From sudev at mantraonline.com Sat Jan 29 01:21:15 2005 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 06:51:15 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] reset-default-dekstops script In-Reply-To: <61325.142.179.217.37.1106952101.squirrel@142.179.217.37> References: <61325.142.179.217.37.1106952101.squirrel@142.179.217.37> Message-ID: <1106961675.3030.15.camel@roop.ltsp> On Fri, 2005-01-28 at 15:41 -0700, Joe Guenther wrote: > I noticed that the reset-default-desktop script does NOT copy the > /Desktop folder. I have placed various icons on the desktop for my users. > It does work to populate new users from the /etc/skel, but the script to > reset a particular user's desktop does not include the > /Desktop with its included icon files. > > Can anyone give me instructions on how to tweak the script the Eric > Harrison has included so that this would work? There is push-icon script too! This will work from root and you can push icons to all users in /home directory. In case they are at another location just edit the path in /usr/sbin/push-icons-to-users-desktops -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From jessemcdonnell at comcast.net Sat Jan 29 01:47:08 2005 From: jessemcdonnell at comcast.net (Jesse McDonnell) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 20:47:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] KNotify Problem In-Reply-To: <1106961272.3030.7.camel@roop.ltsp> References: <20050128170321.5aff5353.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> <1106961272.3030.7.camel@roop.ltsp> Message-ID: <20050128204708.5580efea.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 06:44:32 +0530 Sudev Barar wrote: > On Fri, 2005-01-28 at 17:03 -0500, Jesse McDonnell wrote: > > On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 09:04:46 -0700 > > "Jim Christiansen" wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > If you have processes left over after users logoff try: > > > > > > This is turned off by default. To turn it on, > > > edit /etc/sysconfig/k12ltsp and set: > > > > > > PURGE_PROCESSES=YES [ snip] > > Will this purge screen also and, if so, is there any way around it? Screen is really useful for saving desktop space etc - I use it to have a number of different screens that I use every time I'm logged in - one to wget files, another using lynx for googling, another to run top, etc. Right now I can exit out of the terminal where screen is running and pick up screen again after I log in and launch a terminal. >> Jesse, > You can specify min UID for purge in /usr/sbin/purge_user > In our setup we have given UID of more than 600 for all users except the > maintainers. This way with purge set to yes we are still able to screen. > -- Thanks, Sudev. That will work for me - don't know what I'd do without screen ;). Jesse McDonnell From robark at telus.net Sat Jan 29 01:43:05 2005 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:43:05 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: user's disk usage and inodes In-Reply-To: <3111720242.1106918315@localhost> References: <3111720242.1106918315@localhost> Message-ID: <41FAEA29.6000803@telus.net> aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org wrote: > OT: > I have a student user who seems to be taking 2.8 gig of storage space > on a samba linux file server. I got this info from a program called > 'xdiskusage' which scans a partition like /home and gives a list by > directory and descending order of use. This student user is taking > 2.8 gig. And directly under his /home/username folder is another > entry in the list (xdiskusage) "2.8 gig inodes." If you look at his > home directoy he only has about 100mb in files ? Where the heck is > 2.8 gig coming from ? Will a boot in single mode and e2fsck free the > inodes ? > The 2.8 gig will also be reported from a windows98 box by right > clicking the folder and properties. > Thank you, > Tom Ventresco try #du -s /home/* | sort -n | less and once you find the bad student #ls -asRS /home/badstudent |less you should easily find the offending files -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V219 From ericbrown at mi-spot.com Sat Jan 29 01:44:32 2005 From: ericbrown at mi-spot.com (Eric Brown) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 19:44:32 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Get rid of my PCs In-Reply-To: <366877457dcfb5ff872d8722764cf137@mac.com> Message-ID: <200501290132.j0T1Wjr16484@www.mi-spot.com> Hello, I am no Linux expert by far, but I am an open source zealot. Whatever Mac apps they want to run, you can probably find an open source equivalent out there some where. I started my own K12LTSP lab this year due to the crappy old computers they gave me to teach web design (Pentium 233, 64 MB RAM, Win 95). I purchased my own server, and made the network cables myself (I do that for a summer job). My problem is, when I get 22 of these old machines going with 20+ kids in the room, it gets HOT. What's more, we are maxing out our electrical service in our building. My question for the list is: are there any opinions out there for Thin Clients? Personally, I like the Sun Ray 170 (http://www.sun.com/sunray/sunray170/index.xml). I was told Sun may be having a twofer sale in March. I've been told Sun Server software for these thin clients can run off of Fedora Core 3 (I'm still working on that one). Opinions? Thanks, Eric -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Todd O'Bryan Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 6:01 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Get rid of my PCs My first year teaching, I had to use a K12LTSP lab because I had very old machines. The next year, the school bought me new machines. The principal was afraid of buying thin clients because they weren't on the approved list and no one would fix them. Well, we just got a new head of IT, and he's started to pilot Linux projects and is especially interested in thin clients. He just emailed me something that I don't know the answer to, so I'm asking... Can you run Mac apps on a thin client? They know they can run Windows and Linux, but don't know about Macs, and I must admit that I don't know either. Thanks, Todd O'Bryan P.S. Cross your fingers. I'm going to try to convince them to let me buy a server and thin clients as a pilot project and then give these virus-laden, permissions-confusing, time-sucking XP Pro machines to unsuspecting teachers who are still running Windows 95. :-) _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sat Jan 29 01:56:29 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:56:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] [Bother?] k12ltsp for AMD_64 In-Reply-To: <1106961502.3030.11.camel@roop.ltsp> References: <1106961502.3030.11.camel@roop.ltsp> Message-ID: On Sat, 29 Jan 2005, Sudev Barar wrote: > Eric, > Great job on 4.2 > Possibility of 64 bit distro? With more people opting for AMD on servers > due to price performance...is it likely step? > Sorry for being a bother. > -- > Sudev Barar > Learning Linux I'm working on it, here is a link to a post on this I made a couple of weeks ago: https://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2005-January/msg00166.html And as for architecture FAQ #2... yes, I'm working on packages for booting old Macs as well ;-) -Eric From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat Jan 29 01:59:25 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 20:59:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Get rid of my PCs In-Reply-To: <200501290132.j0T1Wjr16484@www.mi-spot.com> References: <200501290132.j0T1Wjr16484@www.mi-spot.com> Message-ID: <41FAEDFD.7010500@cmosnetworks.com> Just disconnect the hard disks in those Pentium 233's. That'll save plenty of energy. Remember that the Pentium-233 uses only about 11 to 15 watts, and that's with it going full-tilt. In thin-client mode, it's doing virtually nothing, so heat dissipation might be 5 watts. Your video board won't suck up much power, either. Also, consider going with LCD monitors, if you haven't already. CRTs are definitely heat generators by comparison, no matter what kind of thin client you hook them up to. LCDs also use considerably less current. Your kids are probably generating much more heat themselves than those computers are; save for CRT monitors, older computers just don't need that much juice. The room warmth might well be a function of room ventilation. The above steps will cut down on your electricity usage, though. --TP Eric Brown wrote: >Hello, > >I am no Linux expert by far, but I am an open source zealot. Whatever Mac >apps they want to run, you can probably find an open source equivalent out >there some where. > >I started my own K12LTSP lab this year due to the crappy old computers they >gave me to teach web design (Pentium 233, 64 MB RAM, Win 95). I purchased >my own server, and made the network cables myself (I do that for a summer >job). > >My problem is, when I get 22 of these old machines going with 20+ kids in >the room, it gets HOT. What's more, we are maxing out our electrical >service in our building. > >My question for the list is: are there any opinions out there for Thin >Clients? Personally, I like the Sun Ray 170 >(http://www.sun.com/sunray/sunray170/index.xml). I was told Sun may be >having a twofer sale in March. I've been told Sun Server software for these >thin clients can run off of Fedora Core 3 (I'm still working on that one). > >Opinions? > >Thanks, >Eric > >-----Original Message----- >From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf >Of Todd O'Bryan >Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 6:01 PM >To: k12osn at redhat.com >Subject: [K12OSN] Get rid of my PCs > >My first year teaching, I had to use a K12LTSP lab because I had very >old machines. The next year, the school bought me new machines. The >principal was afraid of buying thin clients because they weren't on the >approved list and no one would fix them. > >Well, we just got a new head of IT, and he's started to pilot Linux >projects and is especially interested in thin clients. > >He just emailed me something that I don't know the answer to, so I'm >asking... > >Can you run Mac apps on a thin client? They know they can run Windows >and Linux, but don't know about Macs, and I must admit that I don't >know either. > >Thanks, >Todd O'Bryan > >P.S. Cross your fingers. I'm going to try to convince them to let me >buy a server and thin clients as a pilot project and then give these >virus-laden, permissions-confusing, time-sucking XP Pro machines to >unsuspecting teachers who are still running Windows 95. :-) > >_____________________________________ > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sat Jan 29 02:00:48 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:00:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] reset-default-dekstops script In-Reply-To: <1106961675.3030.15.camel@roop.ltsp> References: <61325.142.179.217.37.1106952101.squirrel@142.179.217.37> <1106961675.3030.15.camel@roop.ltsp> Message-ID: On Sat, 29 Jan 2005, Sudev Barar wrote: > On Fri, 2005-01-28 at 15:41 -0700, Joe Guenther wrote: >> I noticed that the reset-default-desktop script does NOT copy the >> /Desktop folder. I have placed various icons on the desktop for my users. >> It does work to populate new users from the /etc/skel, but the script to >> reset a particular user's desktop does not include the >> /Desktop with its included icon files. >> >> Can anyone give me instructions on how to tweak the script the Eric >> Harrison has included so that this would work? This needs to be fixed. I'll get a new version out shortly. > There is push-icon script too! > This will work from root and you can push icons to all users in /home > directory. In case they are at another location just edit the path > in /usr/sbin/push-icons-to-users-desktops With the latest-and-greatest version (ltsp_config-0.0.26-k12ltsp.0.4.2), you no longer need to make edits if your users exist somewhere besides /home -Eric From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat Jan 29 02:01:53 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 21:01:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Get rid of my PCs In-Reply-To: <366877457dcfb5ff872d8722764cf137@mac.com> References: <366877457dcfb5ff872d8722764cf137@mac.com> Message-ID: <41FAEE91.1070204@cmosnetworks.com> Todd O'Bryan wrote: > P.S. Cross your fingers. I'm going to try to convince them to let me > buy a server and thin clients as a pilot project and then give these > virus-laden, permissions-confusing, time-sucking XP Pro machines to > unsuspecting teachers who are still running Windows 95. :-) Consider keeping those new PCs as application servers for K12LTSP or, alternately, file and print servers running NFS, Samba, and CUPS. If they're powerful enough, you could actually stuff some DRAM in them and make another K12LTSP server. --TP From cliebow at downeast.net Sat Jan 29 02:39:22 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 02:39:22 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Bondi Mac booting ltsp Message-ID: <200501290141.j0T1flw15826@downeast.net> david: couldnt do much today but did find i can dd if=/dev/hda of=/apple.img..did not have space nuf on laptop to give it a proper try. boot to ltsp shell from of...changing /etc/exports so read write is allowed.. mount -o remount rw 192.168.0.254:/opt/ltsp then the dd command..that puts it in /opt/ltsp/i386 on server..with any luck can reverse it to reomage.. chuck --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From jim at winonacotter.org Sat Jan 29 04:08:28 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 22:08:28 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] [Bother?] k12ltsp for AMD_64 In-Reply-To: References: <1106961502.3030.11.camel@roop.ltsp> Message-ID: <20050129040642.M83243@winonacotter.org> > And as for architecture FAQ #2... yes, I'm working on packages for > booting old Macs as well ;-) > > -Eric Great. I was working with Jim M earlier on ltsp irc and we got together a working dhcpd.conf that automatically chooses between Mac and i386. We were able to boot a Mac without any specific configuration. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Sat Jan 29 04:17:27 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 22:17:27 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Crazy OSX thought Message-ID: <20050129041036.M27757@winonacotter.org> Is the concept feasable to make and /opt/ltsp/osx that contains the necessary items to boot OSX over LTSP on true thin terminals? Is it as simple as packaging a running OSX directory structure and placing it there, then calling on the proper kernels with something along the lines of yaboot? What is the basic process that goes into making the opt/ltsp directories? I just ask becuase it would add another dimension to LTSP's capabilities and further help "sell" the idea. I know you can netboot OSX but that seems so old hat :-) It would be very cool to run multiple sessions on a booted thin simultaneously and be able to hot key between OSX, Fedora, and Terminal Services. Then I could still maintain a completely thin LTSP computing environment yet still have operating system diversity at your fingertips. Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jam at mcquil.com Sat Jan 29 05:21:09 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 00:21:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Crazy OSX thought In-Reply-To: <20050129041036.M27757@winonacotter.org> References: <20050129041036.M27757@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 28 Jan 2005, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Is the concept feasable to make and /opt/ltsp/osx that contains the > necessary items to boot OSX over LTSP on true thin terminals? That would be OSX for PPC thin clients. Unless you are talking about porting OSX to the x86 platform. Probably not an easy thing to do. > > Is it as simple as packaging a running OSX directory structure and placing > it there, then calling on the proper kernels with something along the lines > of yaboot? What is the basic process that goes into making the opt/ltsp > directories? That would be sort of like loading an entire redhat distribution into a subdirectory, maybe /opt/ltsp/redhat. and netbooting a thin client to mount that directory. The problem is, it ends up running a whole boat load of stuff that isn't needed in a thin client environment. The whole init process is way too bloated for a thin client. No reason to run sendmail or cron or any of the other services that a typical Unix/Linux box runs at startup. Sure you could cut it down to the bare minimum, but when you are finished, does it really end up looking like OSX? And, if you want to see the basic process that goes into making the /opt/ltsp directories, download the LBE from cvs, and build it. That generates the entire ltsp tree. > > I just ask becuase it would add another dimension to LTSP's capabilities and > further help "sell" the idea. I know you can netboot OSX but that seems so > old hat :-) It wouldn't be LTSP anymore. It would be OTSP or something else. > > It would be very cool to run multiple sessions on a booted thin > simultaneously and be able to hot key between OSX, Fedora, and Terminal > Services. Then I could still maintain a completely thin LTSP computing > environment yet still have operating system diversity at your fingertips. You want to run multiple operating systems on a single thin client simultaneously? If you could pull it off, you might get the best of all worlds, but keep in mind, you'd also be getting the worst of all worlds. The whole idea of LTSP and thin clients is to keep it all simple. Simple to manage, simple to install, simple to use. Sorry, I don't mean to knock your idea. If it's something you are interested in, go for it. that's the cool thing about this free software stuff. There is NO barrier to entry. Anybody who's got an idea can just jump in, and run with it. AND, they don't have to start at zero. They can start with something that already works, and build on top of it. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org > > Jim Kronebusch > Cotter Tech Department > 507-453-5188 > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sat Jan 29 06:29:52 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 01:29:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Get rid of my PCs In-Reply-To: <200501290132.j0T1Wjr16484@www.mi-spot.com> References: <200501290132.j0T1Wjr16484@www.mi-spot.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, January 28, 2005 at 8:44 PM +0000 wrote: >My question for the list is: are there any opinions out there for Thin >Clients? Personally, I like the Sun Ray 170 >(http://www.sun.com/sunray/sunray170/index.xml). I was told Sun may be >having a twofer sale in March. I've been told Sun Server software for >these >thin clients can run off of Fedora Core 3 (I'm still working on that one). > >Opinions? Yeah...have you seen the price? Over $1000! You can buy an LTSP 150 from disklessworkstations.com for $279! Add a monitor for $225 -$250...Keyboard and mouse for $20 and you're still WAY under $1000! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sat Jan 29 06:29:52 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 01:29:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Get rid of my PCs In-Reply-To: <200501290132.j0T1Wjr16484@www.mi-spot.com> References: <200501290132.j0T1Wjr16484@www.mi-spot.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, January 28, 2005 at 8:44 PM +0000 wrote: >My question for the list is: are there any opinions out there for Thin >Clients? Personally, I like the Sun Ray 170 >(http://www.sun.com/sunray/sunray170/index.xml). I was told Sun may be >having a twofer sale in March. I've been told Sun Server software for >these >thin clients can run off of Fedora Core 3 (I'm still working on that one). > >Opinions? Yeah...have you seen the price? Over $1000! You can buy an LTSP 150 from disklessworkstations.com for $279! Add a monitor for $225 -$250...Keyboard and mouse for $20 and you're still WAY under $1000! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From mpribik at zoznam.sk Sat Jan 29 10:34:50 2005 From: mpribik at zoznam.sk (M.Pribik) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 11:34:50 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] hyperthreading References: <001601c5057c$5b566780$0100a8c0@Marian> <1106946637.23517.1.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <000601c505ee$29c63ca0$0100a8c0@Marian> Thank you Dan, The hypethreading in bios is enabled. I have no idea what to do with kernel. I believed that it would be enabled in kernel as standard. This time I bougth a new powerfull serverstation for school and I want to realize terminal station lab. Could you be more detailed what to do in steps? / Whether this kernel is somewhere on K12LTSP 4.2 distro CDs or should it be compiled or .../ Marian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Young" To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 10:10 PM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] hyperthreading > On Fri, 2005-01-28 at 22:00 +0100, M.Pribik wrote: > > I am using latest K12ltsp 4.2 version . I have Pentium 4 2.4Ghz > > Prescot processor and I cannot see if hyperthreading > > is active or not. > > Command cat /proc/cpuinfo gets info only for CPU0 and not for CPU1. > > Is there hyperthreading in K12ltsp 4.2 in standart distribution > > enabled or not? If not, is it possible to activate it and how to do > > it. > > Thank you for your advice. > > You have to have kernel-smp installed and booted, as well as possibly > turning on hyperthreading in your BIOS. > > -- > Dan Young > Parkrose School District > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > __________ Informacia od NOD32 1.986 (20050127) __________ > > Tato sprava bola preverena antivirusovym systemom NOD32. > http://www.eset.sk > > From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Sat Jan 29 11:11:10 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 05:11:10 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: user's disk usage and inodes In-Reply-To: <3111720242.1106918315@localhost> References: <3111720242.1106918315@localhost> Message-ID: <553d77d903c490437f19ff5015c4a569@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 What about "Hidden files" On Jan 28, 2005, at 12:18 PM, aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org wrote: > OT: > I have a student user who seems to be taking 2.8 gig of storage space > on a samba linux file server. .... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkH7b04ACgkQfqZR3ThMfXQIpgCeIx24fMHZE5eZOQz7hch3UXXC KTcAnjxwCkly5sjH1szzG5ow3TQ0djBp =n+FC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cliebow at downeast.net Sat Jan 29 13:49:11 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 13:49:11 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Crazy OSX thought Message-ID: <200501291251.j0TCpXI25950@downeast.net> the yellowdog guys have expted with runnning osx this way with no luck..they HAVE run os 9 this way.i have some docs at school...chuck > > > On Fri, 28 Jan 2005, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > > Is the concept feasable to make and /opt/ltsp/osx that contains the > > necessary items to boot OSX over LTSP on true thin terminals? > > That would be OSX for PPC thin clients. Unless you are talking about > porting OSX to the x86 platform. Probably not an easy thing to do. > > > > > Is it as simple as packaging a running OSX directory structure and placing > > it there, then calling on the proper kernels with something along the lines > > of yaboot? What is the basic process that goes into making the opt/ltsp > > directories? > > That would be sort of like loading an entire redhat distribution into a > subdirectory, maybe /opt/ltsp/redhat. and netbooting a thin client to > mount that directory. > > The problem is, it ends up running a whole boat load of stuff that isn't > needed in a thin client environment. The whole init process is way too > bloated for a thin client. No reason to run sendmail or cron or any of > the other services that a typical Unix/Linux box runs at startup. > > Sure you could cut it down to the bare minimum, but when you are > finished, does it really end up looking like OSX? > > > And, if you want to see the basic process that goes into making the > /opt/ltsp directories, download the LBE from cvs, and build it. That > generates the entire ltsp tree. > > > > > > I just ask becuase it would add another dimension to LTSP's capabilities and > > further help "sell" the idea. I know you can netboot OSX but that seems so > > old hat :-) > > It wouldn't be LTSP anymore. It would be OTSP or something else. > > > > > It would be very cool to run multiple sessions on a booted thin > > simultaneously and be able to hot key between OSX, Fedora, and Terminal > > Services. Then I could still maintain a completely thin LTSP computing > > environment yet still have operating system diversity at your fingertips. > > You want to run multiple operating systems on a single thin client > simultaneously? If you could pull it off, you might get the best of all > worlds, but keep in mind, you'd also be getting the worst of all worlds. > > The whole idea of LTSP and thin clients is to keep it all simple. > Simple to manage, simple to install, simple to use. > > Sorry, I don't mean to knock your idea. If it's something you are > interested in, go for it. that's the cool thing about this free > software stuff. There is NO barrier to entry. Anybody who's got an > idea can just jump in, and run with it. AND, they don't have to start > at zero. They can start with something that already works, and build on > top of it. > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > > > > Jim Kronebusch > > Cotter Tech Department > > 507-453-5188 > > > > > > -- > > This message has been scanned for viruses and > > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From haysja at sages.us Sat Jan 29 15:38:16 2005 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 09:38:16 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Get rid of my PCs In-Reply-To: References: <200501290132.j0T1Wjr16484@www.mi-spot.com> Message-ID: <1107013096.41fbade840210@sages.us> A school near here just bought 250 thin clients from CDWG. They are running Wyse terminals (Wynterm 1200LE Thin Client). I went there last week to see the installation. They are very small, very quiet - no noise at all - and work very well. The price is < $300 and that includes the keyboard and mouse. That school is re-using old monitors. A lab of these terminal with LCD panels would be very attractive, not use much electricity, and enjoy the stability and performance of K12LTSP. You could "build your own" for less, but you would end up with a full size box and your time is worth something. These thin clients are small, inexpensive, and they will run and run and run. Quoting David Trask : > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Friday, January 28, 2005 at 8:44 PM +0000 wrote: > >My question for the list is: are there any opinions out there for Thin > >Clients? Personally, I like the Sun Ray 170 > >(http://www.sun.com/sunray/sunray170/index.xml). I was told Sun may be > >having a twofer sale in March. I've been told Sun Server software for > >these > >thin clients can run off of Fedora Core 3 (I'm still working on that one). > > > >Opinions? > > Yeah...have you seen the price? Over $1000! You can buy an LTSP 150 from > disklessworkstations.com for $279! Add a monitor for $225 > -$250...Keyboard and mouse for $20 and you're still WAY under $1000! > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ----------------------------------------- Jim Hays Technology Director Monticello CUSD#25 Monticello, IL 61856 ----------------------------------------- From ahodson at elp.rr.com Sat Jan 29 16:30:30 2005 From: ahodson at elp.rr.com (Alan A Hodson) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 09:30:30 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Crazy OSX thought (2) In-Reply-To: References: <20050129041036.M27757@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: This may be a little off target, but if there is a K12LTSP server that feeds thin clients, most Macs can be part of that lab. A simple patch cable gives them access to the internet (OS 9/OS X), and running an application like "Chicken of the VNC" allows the Mac to completely become a thin client, while still keeping all the Mac functionality... The best of both worlds! For multiple Macs, it seems like setting up a K12LTSP server might be the "easy" route to follow... Cheers Alan A Hodson aahodson at episd.org http://links.episd.org -=o=- >On Fri, 28 Jan 2005, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > >> Is the concept feasable to make and /opt/ltsp/osx that contains the >> necessary items to boot OSX over LTSP on true thin terminals? > >That would be OSX for PPC thin clients. Unless you are talking about >porting OSX to the x86 platform. Probably not an easy thing to do. > >> >> Is it as simple as packaging a running OSX directory structure and placing >> it there, then calling on the proper kernels with something along the lines >> of yaboot? What is the basic process that goes into making the opt/ltsp >> directories? > >That would be sort of like loading an entire redhat distribution into a >subdirectory, maybe /opt/ltsp/redhat. and netbooting a thin client to >mount that directory. > >The problem is, it ends up running a whole boat load of stuff that isn't >needed in a thin client environment. The whole init process is way too >bloated for a thin client. No reason to run sendmail or cron or any of >the other services that a typical Unix/Linux box runs at startup. > >Sure you could cut it down to the bare minimum, but when you are >finished, does it really end up looking like OSX? > > >And, if you want to see the basic process that goes into making the >/opt/ltsp directories, download the LBE from cvs, and build it. That >generates the entire ltsp tree. > > >> >> I just ask becuase it would add another dimension to LTSP's capabilities and >> further help "sell" the idea. I know you can netboot OSX but that seems so >> old hat :-) > >It wouldn't be LTSP anymore. It would be OTSP or something else. > >> >> It would be very cool to run multiple sessions on a booted thin >> simultaneously and be able to hot key between OSX, Fedora, and Terminal >> Services. Then I could still maintain a completely thin LTSP computing >> environment yet still have operating system diversity at your fingertips. > >You want to run multiple operating systems on a single thin client >simultaneously? If you could pull it off, you might get the best of all >worlds, but keep in mind, you'd also be getting the worst of all worlds. > >The whole idea of LTSP and thin clients is to keep it all simple. >Simple to manage, simple to install, simple to use. > >Sorry, I don't mean to knock your idea. If it's something you are >interested in, go for it. that's the cool thing about this free >software stuff. There is NO barrier to entry. Anybody who's got an >idea can just jump in, and run with it. AND, they don't have to start >at zero. They can start with something that already works, and build on >top of it. > >Jim McQuillan >jam at Ltsp.org > > > >> >> Jim Kronebusch >> Cotter Tech Department >> 507-453-5188 >> >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by the Cotter Technology >> Department, and is believed to be clean. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see From les at futuresource.com Sat Jan 29 17:51:43 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 11:51:43 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] hyperthreading In-Reply-To: <000601c505ee$29c63ca0$0100a8c0@Marian> References: <001601c5057c$5b566780$0100a8c0@Marian> <1106946637.23517.1.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> <000601c505ee$29c63ca0$0100a8c0@Marian> Message-ID: <1107021102.31360.2.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2005-01-29 at 04:34, M.Pribik wrote: > Thank you Dan, > The hypethreading in bios is enabled. I have no idea what to do with kernel. > I believed that it would be enabled in kernel as standard. I think that only P4's that run 3.0Ghz and faster have hyperthreading enabled. == Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Sat Jan 29 18:01:55 2005 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 10:01:55 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] hyperthreading In-Reply-To: <000601c505ee$29c63ca0$0100a8c0@Marian> References: <001601c5057c$5b566780$0100a8c0@Marian> <1106946637.23517.1.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> <000601c505ee$29c63ca0$0100a8c0@Marian> Message-ID: <1107021715.21005.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2005-01-29 at 11:34 +0100, M.Pribik wrote: > Thank you Dan, > The hypethreading in bios is enabled. I have no idea what to do with kernel. > I believed that it would be enabled in kernel as standard. > This time I bougth a new powerfull serverstation for school and I want to > realize terminal station lab. Could you be more detailed what > to do in steps? / Whether this kernel is somewhere on K12LTSP 4.2 distro CDs > or should it be compiled or .../ Yeah, it's on the K12LTSP CDs. You're looking for the kernel-smp RPM, which will install in parallel to the non-SMP kernel RPM. It contains the Linux kernel compiled with SMP support. If you are online, as root: yum install kernel-smp system-config-boot This will download and install the latest version of the kernel, which has some important bug-fixes that the one on the install CDs will not. It also installs a GUI tool for picking the kernel it will boot by default. You can find it under Applications, System Settings, Bootloader. There are other ways that you can make sure it boots from the smp kernel. You could also just be at the console when it boots to select it from the the GRUB bootloader menu, or you could edit /etc/grub.conf to set it as the default (see the default=0 parameter). Note that the default parameter is zero-indexed, meaning 0 indicates the first kernel listed, 1 the second, 2 the third, and so on. -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Sat Jan 29 18:08:27 2005 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 10:08:27 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] hyperthreading In-Reply-To: <1107021102.31360.2.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <001601c5057c$5b566780$0100a8c0@Marian> <1106946637.23517.1.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> <000601c505ee$29c63ca0$0100a8c0@Marian> <1107021102.31360.2.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1107022107.21005.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2005-01-29 at 11:51 -0600, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Sat, 2005-01-29 at 04:34, M.Pribik wrote: > > Thank you Dan, > > The hypethreading in bios is enabled. I have no idea what to do with kernel. > > I believed that it would be enabled in kernel as standard. > > I think that only P4's that run 3.0Ghz and faster have > hyperthreading enabled. Les, Looks like you can get them starting at 2.4 GHz starting w/ the 800MHz FSB "C" models: http://indigo.intel.com/compare_cpu/showchart.aspx?mmID=852348&familyID=1 -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sat Jan 29 18:27:11 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 10:27:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] reset-default-dekstops script In-Reply-To: References: <61325.142.179.217.37.1106952101.squirrel@142.179.217.37> <1106961675.3030.15.camel@roop.ltsp> Message-ID: On Fri, 28 Jan 2005, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Sat, 29 Jan 2005, Sudev Barar wrote: > >> On Fri, 2005-01-28 at 15:41 -0700, Joe Guenther wrote: >>> I noticed that the reset-default-desktop script does NOT copy the >>> /Desktop folder. I have placed various icons on the desktop for my users. >>> It does work to populate new users from the /etc/skel, but the script to >>> reset a particular user's desktop does not include the >>> /Desktop with its included icon files. >>> >>> Can anyone give me instructions on how to tweak the script the Eric >>> Harrison has included so that this would work? > > This needs to be fixed. I'll get a new version out shortly. > I *think* I have the logic behind this correct: 1) remove all of the desktop config files (.gnome, .kde, etc) 2) copy over all the entries in /etc/skel IF they do not exist in the user's home directory This will nuke the desktop settings, but won't have any side effects such as removing documents saved in ~/Desktop. All new files in /etc/skel are copied to the user's home if the user does not already have that specific file. The syntax to make all this work with arbitrarily named directories/files is a bit hairy. I'd appreciate it if those of you with sharp scripting skills take a look at this (script attached). A packaged test build is available at: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/ltsp_config-0.0.26-k12ltsp.1.4.2.noarch.rpm -Eric -------------- next part -------------- #!/bin/sh # # A simple script to reset a specific user's desktop settings # if [ ! "$1" ] then echo echo "usage: $0 " echo exit fi HOMEDIR=`eval "echo ~$1"` cd $HOMEDIR || { echo echo "Ack! the home directory of $1 was not found, aborting" echo exit } # out with the old for dir in .kde .gnome_private .gconfd .gconf .nautilus .gnome-desktop .gtkrc \ .sawfish .gnome do if [ -d $HOMEDIR/$dir ] then rm -rf $HOMEDIR/$dir &> /dev/null fi done for file in .screenrc do if [ -f $HOMEDIR/$file ] then rm -rf $HOMEDIR/$file &> /dev/null fi done # in with the new cd /etc/skel find . -type d -exec sh -c "[ -d $HOMEDIR/\"{}\" ] || mkdir -p $HOMEDIR/\"{}\" && chown --reference=$HOMEDIR $HOMEDIR/\"{}\"" \; find . -type f -exec sh -c "[ -f $HOMEDIR/\"{}\" ] || cp \"{}\" $HOMEDIR/\"{}\" && chown --reference=$HOMEDIR $HOMEDIR/\"{}\"" \; From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Sat Jan 29 19:14:27 2005 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 11:14:27 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] reset-default-dekstops script In-Reply-To: References: <61325.142.179.217.37.1106952101.squirrel@142.179.217.37> <1106961675.3030.15.camel@roop.ltsp> Message-ID: <1107026067.21005.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2005-01-29 at 10:27 -0800, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Fri, 28 Jan 2005, Eric Harrison wrote: > > On Sat, 29 Jan 2005, Sudev Barar wrote: > >> On Fri, 2005-01-28 at 15:41 -0700, Joe Guenther wrote: > >>> I noticed that the reset-default-desktop script does NOT copy the > >>> /Desktop folder. I have placed various icons on the desktop for my users. > >>> It does work to populate new users from the /etc/skel, but the script to > >>> reset a particular user's desktop does not include the > >>> /Desktop with its included icon files. > >>> > >>> Can anyone give me instructions on how to tweak the script the Eric > >>> Harrison has included so that this would work? > > > > This needs to be fixed. I'll get a new version out shortly. > > > > I *think* I have the logic behind this correct: > > 1) remove all of the desktop config files (.gnome, .kde, etc) > 2) copy over all the entries in /etc/skel IF they do not exist in the > user's home directory > > This will nuke the desktop settings, but won't have any side effects such > as removing documents saved in ~/Desktop. All new files in /etc/skel are > copied to the user's home if the user does not already have that specific > file. Minor thing; the "find" pushing files in the user's homedir would miss a symlink. Maybe: find . -xtype f -exec sh -c "[ -f $HOMEDIR/\"{}\" ] || cp -d \"{}\" $HOMEDIR/\"{}\" && chown --reference=$HOMEDIR $HOMEDIR/\"{}\"" \; -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From mpribik at zoznam.sk Sat Jan 29 20:35:10 2005 From: mpribik at zoznam.sk (M.Pribik) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 21:35:10 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] hyperthreading References: <001601c5057c$5b566780$0100a8c0@Marian><1106946637.23517.1.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us><000601c505ee$29c63ca0$0100a8c0@Marian><1107021102.31360.2.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1107022107.21005.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <000f01c50642$0741d410$0100a8c0@Marian> Hello, I installed from distro the file "kernel-smp-2.6.9-1.681_FC3.i586.rpm". After that and after reboot the hyperthreading is always disabled. In BOIS hyperthreading is enabled. What have I do more? I add the results of some important commands below: # uname -a Linux server.sou-coop.lan 2.6.9-1.681_FC3smp #1 SMP Thu Nov 18 15:25:11 EST 2004 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux # cat /proc/cpuinfo processor : 0 vendor_id : GenuineIntel cpu family : 15 model : 3 model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.40GHz stepping : 4 cpu MHz : 2423.773 cache size : 1024 KB physical id : 0 siblings : 1 fdiv_bug : no hlt_bug : no f00f_bug : no coma_bug : no fpu : yes fpu_exception : yes cpuid level : 5 wp : yes flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe pni monitor ds_cpl cid xtpr bogomips : 4784.12 # dmesg |grep -i cpu Initializing CPU#0 CPU 0 irqstacks, hard=c03b3000 soft=c03ab000 CPU: After generic identify, caps: bfebfbff 00000000 00000000 00000000 CPU: After vendor identify, caps: bfebfbff 00000000 00000000 00000000 CPU: Trace cache: 12K uops, L1 D cache: 16K CPU: L2 cache: 1024K CPU: Hyper-Threading is disabled CPU: After all inits, caps: bfebf3ff 00000000 00000000 00000080 Intel machine check reporting enabled on CPU#0. CPU0: Intel P4/Xeon Extended MCE MSRs (12) available CPU0: Thermal monitoring enabled CPU0: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.40GHz stepping 04 per-CPU timeslice cutoff: 2925.45 usecs. Brought up 1 CPUs ACPI: Processor [CPU1] (supports C1) From Linux_Man at comcast.net Sun Jan 30 00:32:55 2005 From: Linux_Man at comcast.net (Brian Beck) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 19:32:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] hyperthreading In-Reply-To: <000f01c50642$0741d410$0100a8c0@Marian> References: <001601c5057c$5b566780$0100a8c0@Marian><1106946637.23517.1.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us><000601c505ee$29c63ca0$0100a8c0@Marian><1107021102.31360.2.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1107022107.21005.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <000f01c50642$0741d410$0100a8c0@Marian> Message-ID: <41FC2B37.8010402@comcast.net> M.Pribik wrote: > Hello, > I installed from distro the file "kernel-smp-2.6.9-1.681_FC3.i586.rpm". > After that and after reboot the hyperthreading is always disabled. > In BOIS hyperthreading is enabled. What have I do more? I add the results of > some important commands below: You need to edit grub.conf to point it to the SMP kernel. From netdxr at gmail.com Sun Jan 30 01:29:47 2005 From: netdxr at gmail.com (Tom Lisjac) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 18:29:47 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Managing identical logins... Message-ID: <863ff45205012917294801d489@mail.gmail.com> We are finishing up an install of K12LTSP 4.2.0 at the Fox Meadow Middle School library here in Colorado Springs. There are 16 ThinkNIC clients and everything is working very well... thanks for all the effort it took to create this fine distribution! We have a final issue to resolve before we can deploy the system that involves the way the school manages it's users. Rather then logging in individually, the kids all use the same class name... which creates instance collisions for Mozilla and OpenOffice. There are a lot of classes and I'm using winbind/pam to do domain authentication and create the home directories dynamically. This makes it easy for the Windows oriented admins to manage the class accounts and helped us sell the Linux approach in the first place. I can't change the login policy and need to find a solution that will support multiple identical logins. I've tried appending REMOTE_HOST to the username (ie: /home/user-ws234.ltsp) and renaming the home directory in the gdm/PreSession script but gdm seems to have already decided about what the user's home directory is and complains about it not being there. I've also done some experimenting with the pam_mkhomedir module without success. I was wondering if anyone could suggest a way of solving this problem? The teachers and staff are enthusiastic about the system and are anxious to start using it. Thanks! Tom Lisjac Webmaster - Harrison School District Two Colorado Springs, Colorado From mpribik at zoznam.sk Sun Jan 30 02:09:05 2005 From: mpribik at zoznam.sk (M.Pribik) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 03:09:05 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] hyperthreading References: <001601c5057c$5b566780$0100a8c0@Marian><1106946637.23517.1.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us><000601c505ee$29c63ca0$0100a8c0@Marian><1107021102.31360.2.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1107022107.21005.17.camel@localhost.localdomain><000f01c50642$0741d410$0100a8c0@Marian> <41FC2B37.8010402@comcast.net> Message-ID: <001001c50670$ad05f600$0100a8c0@Marian> It is. It can be seen as the result from command # uname -a Linux server.sou-coop.lan 2.6.9-1.681_FC3smp #1 SMP Thu Nov 18 15:25:11 EST 2004 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Beck" To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 1:32 AM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] hyperthreading > M.Pribik wrote: > > Hello, > > I installed from distro the file "kernel-smp-2.6.9-1.681_FC3.i586.rpm". > > After that and after reboot the hyperthreading is always disabled. > > In BOIS hyperthreading is enabled. What have I do more? I add the results of > > some important commands below: > > You need to edit grub.conf to point it to the SMP kernel. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > __________ Informacia od NOD32 1.987 (20050128) __________ > > Tato sprava bola preverena antivirusovym systemom NOD32. > http://www.eset.sk > > From jam at mcquil.com Sun Jan 30 02:15:10 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 21:15:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] hyperthreading In-Reply-To: <001001c50670$ad05f600$0100a8c0@Marian> References: <001601c5057c$5b566780$0100a8c0@Marian><1106946637.23517.1.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us><000601c505ee$29c63ca0$0100a8c0@Marian><1107021102.31360.2.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1107022107.21005.17.camel@localhost.localdomain><000f01c50642$0741d410$0100a8c0@Marian> <41FC2B37.8010402@comcast.net> <001001c50670$ad05f600$0100a8c0@Marian> Message-ID: M.Pribik, Your bios supports Hyperthreading, and you've got the SMP kernel, but are you sure your P4-2.4ghz supports Hyperthreading? I think for the 2.4's, only the Xeons support HT Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Sun, 30 Jan 2005, M.Pribik wrote: > It is. It can be seen as the result from command > # uname -a > > Linux server.sou-coop.lan 2.6.9-1.681_FC3smp #1 SMP Thu Nov 18 15:25:11 EST > 2004 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Beck" > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 1:32 AM > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] hyperthreading > > > > M.Pribik wrote: > > > Hello, > > > I installed from distro the file "kernel-smp-2.6.9-1.681_FC3.i586.rpm". > > > After that and after reboot the hyperthreading is always disabled. > > > In BOIS hyperthreading is enabled. What have I do more? I add the > results of > > > some important commands below: > > > > You need to edit grub.conf to point it to the SMP kernel. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > __________ Informacia od NOD32 1.987 (20050128) __________ > > > > Tato sprava bola preverena antivirusovym systemom NOD32. > > http://www.eset.sk > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Sun Jan 30 02:21:52 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 20:21:52 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Crazy OSX thought In-Reply-To: References: <20050129041036.M27757@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20050130015934.M31204@winonacotter.org> > That would be OSX for PPC thin clients. Unless you are talking about > porting OSX to the x86 platform. Probably not an easy thing to do. I wasn't exactly sure what it would be. It just got me thinking when I loaded YDL on the iBook and booted it on a Term150. Just got me wondering if LTSP allows the ability to run any OS platform independant. Since it was a PPC linux kernel running on my i386 thin client. > The problem is, it ends up running a whole boat load of stuff that isn't > needed in a thin client environment. The whole init process is way too > bloated for a thin client. No reason to run sendmail or cron or any > of the other services that a typical Unix/Linux box runs at startup. > > Sure you could cut it down to the bare minimum, but when you are > finished, does it really end up looking like OSX? That is what I was wondering. I figured this couldn't be a new thought. I am just liking Linux as a base platform more and more becuase the possibilities seem endless. It is awesome to talk to people and be able to say that "I know it can be done, I just don't know how to do it yet." I can't say that with any other platform. > And, if you want to see the basic process that goes into making the > /opt/ltsp directories, download the LBE from cvs, and build it. That > generates the entire ltsp tree. Cool. Chances are that I won't understand a lot of it yet but I'll check it out. It makes it easier to work with things when you understand the base of how they work. I learned a ton with how things work just this last week. I appreciate your help. > It wouldn't be LTSP anymore. It would be OTSP or something else. Again, I wasn't sure what it really took to make LTSP work. I would hate to see something that had to run OSX and the server PPC thin clients. That would undermine the entire purpose of LTSP (getting away from proprietary and expensive hardware and software). > You want to run multiple operating systems on a single thin client > simultaneously? If you could pull it off, you might get the best of > all worlds, but keep in mind, you'd also be getting the worst of all > worlds. > > The whole idea of LTSP and thin clients is to keep it all simple. > Simple to manage, simple to install, simple to use. I hear you there. Most of my users still don't know the difference between right and left clicking (especially the Mac users :-) I just like options. > Sorry, I don't mean to knock your idea. If it's something you are > interested in, go for it. No offense taken here. Just thinking out loud to the list. I'm not even sure it is something I am interested in. I just figured I'd share my thoughts. You should hear the garbage in my head that doesn't make it this far :-) Thanks again for all your help. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Sun Jan 30 02:27:03 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 20:27:03 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Crazy OSX thought In-Reply-To: <200501291251.j0TCpXI25950@downeast.net> References: <200501291251.j0TCpXI25950@downeast.net> Message-ID: <20050130022247.M96334@winonacotter.org> > the yellowdog guys have expted with runnning osx this way with no > luck..they HAVE run os 9 this way.i have some docs at school...chuck I don't have too much interest in 9. To me it is dead and I hope to have it out of my schools within a year. But I know that some will still insist with staying with OSX. At leat it is better than windows as far as fighting viruses and having somewhat of a unix base. But it is fairly butchered up by apple. And if the YDL guys can't do it, I definitely can't. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Sun Jan 30 02:39:39 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 20:39:39 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Get rid of my PCs In-Reply-To: References: <200501290132.j0T1Wjr16484@www.mi-spot.com> Message-ID: <20050130023848.M12899@winonacotter.org> > Yeah...have you seen the price? Over $1000! You can buy an LTSP > 150 from disklessworkstations.com for $279! Add a monitor for $225 > -$250...Keyboard and mouse for $20 and you're still WAY under $1000! I'll plug the term 150's quick. I love mine, not a glitch and work perfect without any messing around. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Sun Jan 30 02:44:01 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 20:44:01 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: user's disk usage and inodes In-Reply-To: <553d77d903c490437f19ff5015c4a569@mindfirestudios.com> References: <3111720242.1106918315@localhost> <553d77d903c490437f19ff5015c4a569@mindfirestudios.com> Message-ID: <20050130024023.M5367@winonacotter.org> > What about "Hidden files" Best thing I could have ever done was put /home on a separate partition and set user and group quotas. I also linked /var/mail to /home/mail. So now I don't worry about disk usage any more. When users call wondering why they can't send mail or transfer more crap to their folder I simply check their current usage through webmin and tell them they have to do some house cleaning. Then it is their responsibility to keep things in order and I no longer have to play disk police. Have you asked this user what is in the folder? If they say "nothing" then just can the user and reenter them. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From petre at maltzen.net Sun Jan 30 02:55:03 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 20:55:03 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Get rid of my PCs In-Reply-To: <366877457dcfb5ff872d8722764cf137@mac.com> References: <366877457dcfb5ff872d8722764cf137@mac.com> Message-ID: <41FC4C87.1000408@maltzen.net> Nobody seems to have addressed your original question, so I'll take a crack at it. Running Mac apps on a thin client ought to be possible. If the apps are written for OS X, that means Aqua which isn't the same thing as X11 (although X11 can be installed on top of OS X and is required for things like OpenOffice.org). I would try ssh'ing into a Mac box and firing up an application and see what happens. In theory it ought to work because OS X has the same separation of the graphics system from the OS as does Unix/Linux. You can also run the Mac OS on top of Linux, both OS X and Mac OS 7.5.2-9.2.2. So for those cases where you need Mac apps, you should be able to run the Mac OS on top of Linux on the server and remotely display the whole thing at the thin client. See www.maconlinux.org for more on that. The other thing to look into is the Mac server (I forget what it's called at the moment). Petre Todd O'Bryan wrote: > My first year teaching, I had to use a K12LTSP lab because I had very > old machines. The next year, the school bought me new machines. The > principal was afraid of buying thin clients because they weren't on > the approved list and no one would fix them. > > Well, we just got a new head of IT, and he's started to pilot Linux > projects and is especially interested in thin clients. > > He just emailed me something that I don't know the answer to, so I'm > asking... > > Can you run Mac apps on a thin client? They know they can run Windows > and Linux, but don't know about Macs, and I must admit that I don't > know either. > > Thanks, > Todd O'Bryan > > P.S. Cross your fingers. I'm going to try to convince them to let me > buy a server and thin clients as a pilot project and then give these > virus-laden, permissions-confusing, time-sucking XP Pro machines to > unsuspecting teachers who are still running Windows 95. :-) > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Sun Jan 30 02:49:28 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 20:49:28 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Managing identical logins... In-Reply-To: <863ff45205012917294801d489@mail.gmail.com> References: <863ff45205012917294801d489@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20050130024759.M3269@winonacotter.org> > We have a final issue to resolve before we can deploy the system that > involves the way the school manages it's users. Rather then logging > in individually, the kids all use the same class name... which > creates instance collisions for Mozilla and OpenOffice. There are a > lot of classes and I'm using winbind/pam to do domain authentication > and create the home directories dynamically. This makes it easy for the > Windows oriented admins to manage the class accounts and helped us > sell the Linux approach in the first place. I don't have an answer but understand your dilemma here. In my schools with younger kids they cannot remember individual passwords either. So we have given them a "class" username and folder to log into. I would also be interested in any suggestions to solving this problem. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Sun Jan 30 02:54:12 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 20:54:12 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Get rid of my PCs In-Reply-To: <41FC4C87.1000408@maltzen.net> References: <366877457dcfb5ff872d8722764cf137@mac.com> <41FC4C87.1000408@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <20050130025258.M78926@winonacotter.org> > 7.5.2-9.2.2. So for those cases where you need Mac apps, you should > be able to run the Mac OS on top of Linux on the server and remotely > display the whole thing at the thin client. See www.maconlinux.org > for more on that. The other thing to look into is the Mac server (I > forget what it's called at the moment). Not sure if you answered his question but you may have answered some of mine. I was looking for ideas on running OSX apps on a thin client. I'm checking out the maconlinux site right now. Thanks -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jam at mcquil.com Sun Jan 30 03:06:32 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 22:06:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Crazy OSX thought In-Reply-To: <20050130015934.M31204@winonacotter.org> References: <20050129041036.M27757@winonacotter.org> <20050130015934.M31204@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: On Sat, 29 Jan 2005, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > That would be OSX for PPC thin clients. Unless you are talking about > > porting OSX to the x86 platform. Probably not an easy thing to do. > > I wasn't exactly sure what it would be. It just got me thinking when I > loaded YDL on the iBook and booted it on a Term150. Just got me wondering > if LTSP allows the ability to run any OS platform independant. Since it was > a PPC linux kernel running on my i386 thin client. Umm, I don't think so. You may have booted an i386 client from a PPC server, but there's no way a ppc kernel would run on a i386 cpu. Jim. x From pnakashi at k12.hi.us Sun Jan 30 03:20:26 2005 From: pnakashi at k12.hi.us (Nakashima) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 17:20:26 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Managing identical logins... In-Reply-To: <20050130024759.M3269@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: On Saturday, January 29, 2005, at 04:49 PM, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I don't have an answer but understand your dilemma here. In my > schools with > younger kids they cannot remember individual passwords either. So we > have > given them a "class" username and folder to log into. I would also be > interested in any suggestions to solving this problem. Don't underestimate those little buggers. At my school, even our kindergarteners have their own unique usernames (john2d for John Doe). They don't have any problem remembering them. However, we DO use non-unique passwords. --Peter From mpribik at zoznam.sk Sun Jan 30 03:25:37 2005 From: mpribik at zoznam.sk (M.Pribik) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 04:25:37 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] hyperthreading References: <001601c5057c$5b566780$0100a8c0@Marian><1106946637.23517.1.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us><000601c505ee$29c63ca0$0100a8c0@Marian><1107021102.31360.2.camel@les-home.futuresource.com><1107022107.21005.17.camel@localhost.localdomain><000f01c50642$0741d410$0100a8c0@Marian><41FC2B37.8010402@comcast.net> <001001c50670$ad05f600$0100a8c0@Marian> Message-ID: <000401c5067b$5e1b2af0$0100a8c0@Marian> There are exists, just I looked on Intel web. But now I am not sure what I realy have in my box. Thank you Jim. > M.Pribik, > > Your bios supports Hyperthreading, and you've got the SMP kernel, but > are you sure your P4-2.4ghz supports Hyperthreading? > > I think for the 2.4's, only the Xeons support HT > > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > On Sun, 30 Jan 2005, M.Pribik wrote: > > > It is. It can be seen as the result from command > > # uname -a > > > > Linux server.sou-coop.lan 2.6.9-1.681_FC3smp #1 SMP Thu Nov 18 15:25:11 EST > > 2004 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Brian Beck" > > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 1:32 AM > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] hyperthreading > > > > > > > M.Pribik wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > I installed from distro the file "kernel-smp-2.6.9-1.681_FC3.i586.rpm". > > > > After that and after reboot the hyperthreading is always disabled. > > > > In BOIS hyperthreading is enabled. What have I do more? I add the > > results of > > > > some important commands below: > > > > > > You need to edit grub.conf to point it to the SMP kernel. From robert.r.lefebvre at gmail.com Sun Jan 30 03:27:02 2005 From: robert.r.lefebvre at gmail.com (Robert Lefebvre) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 22:27:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Installing Moodle, MySql, and PHP Message-ID: <1761a0980501291927785b1c79@mail.gmail.com> I'm a newbie (that will become obvious) and I'm trying to get Moodle (a php-mysql based script) to run on K12. I didn't see any sign of Mysql or Php being on the original install but I don't know my way around yet to say that for sure. I downloaded MySql, PHP, and Moodle and unpacked them to usr/local/src. Then I'm not sure what I did but I seem to remember placing a code in the terminal that told me both were installed. Ist, are they properly installed and how can I test them. If and when they are installed, where and how do I access Moodle? I also downloaded mysql-administrator which, when I tried to open it, went through an install process but I can't find it either. Can someone walk me through this please? From jim at winonacotter.org Sun Jan 30 03:25:08 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 21:25:08 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] hyperthreading In-Reply-To: <000401c5067b$5e1b2af0$0100a8c0@Marian> References: <001601c5057c$5b566780$0100a8c0@Marian><1106946637.23517.1.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us><000601c505ee$29c63ca0$0100a8c0@Marian><1107021102.31360.2.camel@les-home.futuresource.com><1107022107.21005.17.camel@localhost.localdomain><000f01c50642$0741d410$0100a8c0@Marian><41FC2B37.8010402@comcast.net> <001001c50670$ad05f600$0100a8c0@Marian> <000401c5067b$5e1b2af0$0100a8c0@Marian> Message-ID: <20050130032430.M16477@winonacotter.org> > There are exists, just I looked on Intel web. But now I am not sure > what I realy have in my box. Thank you Jim. Crack that sucker open and read the writing on top of the CPU. That should clear up any doubt. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From steve.honeycutt at gmail.com Sun Jan 30 03:36:13 2005 From: steve.honeycutt at gmail.com (Steve Honeycutt) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 21:36:13 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] hyperthreading In-Reply-To: <20050130032430.M16477@winonacotter.org> References: <001601c5057c$5b566780$0100a8c0@Marian> <000601c505ee$29c63ca0$0100a8c0@Marian> <1107021102.31360.2.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1107022107.21005.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <000f01c50642$0741d410$0100a8c0@Marian> <41FC2B37.8010402@comcast.net> <001001c50670$ad05f600$0100a8c0@Marian> <000401c5067b$5e1b2af0$0100a8c0@Marian> <20050130032430.M16477@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <61bfa743050129193661e01983@mail.gmail.com> It will at least give you some details on your specific processor which you can then dig around on intels site to find your cpu's specs. Personally, I am an AMD man On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 21:25:08 -0600, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > Crack that sucker open and read the writing on top of the CPU. That should > clear up any doubt. -- Thanks, Steve From steve.honeycutt at gmail.com Sun Jan 30 03:36:13 2005 From: steve.honeycutt at gmail.com (Steve Honeycutt) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 21:36:13 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] hyperthreading In-Reply-To: <20050130032430.M16477@winonacotter.org> References: <001601c5057c$5b566780$0100a8c0@Marian> <000601c505ee$29c63ca0$0100a8c0@Marian> <1107021102.31360.2.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1107022107.21005.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <000f01c50642$0741d410$0100a8c0@Marian> <41FC2B37.8010402@comcast.net> <001001c50670$ad05f600$0100a8c0@Marian> <000401c5067b$5e1b2af0$0100a8c0@Marian> <20050130032430.M16477@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <61bfa743050129193661e01983@mail.gmail.com> It will at least give you some details on your specific processor which you can then dig around on intels site to find your cpu's specs. Personally, I am an AMD man On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 21:25:08 -0600, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > Crack that sucker open and read the writing on top of the CPU. That should > clear up any doubt. -- Thanks, Steve From jim at winonacotter.org Sun Jan 30 03:35:13 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 21:35:13 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Installing Moodle, MySql, and PHP In-Reply-To: <1761a0980501291927785b1c79@mail.gmail.com> References: <1761a0980501291927785b1c79@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20050130033042.M37013@winonacotter.org> > I'm a newbie (that will become obvious) and I'm trying to get Moodle > (a php-mysql based script) to run on K12. I didn't see any sign of > Mysql or Php being on the original install but I don't know my way > around yet to say that for sure. I downloaded MySql, PHP, and Moodle > and unpacked them to usr/local/src. Then I'm not sure what I did but > I seem to remember placing a code in the terminal that told me both were > installed. The best start would probably be with using yum. Here is a quick guide on building what is referred to as a LAMP server: http://myy.helia.fi/~karte/kurssit/lamp-linux-apache-mysql-php- quickstart.html This should at least get you through setting up apache, php, and mysql to talk to each other. Once that is done you can move on to configuring moodle. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From spowers at inlandlakes.org Sun Jan 30 10:22:41 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 05:22:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Crazy OSX thought In-Reply-To: <200501291251.j0TCpXI25950@downeast.net> References: <200501291251.j0TCpXI25950@downeast.net> Message-ID: <41FCB571.2090503@inlandlakes.org> cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > the yellowdog guys have expted with runnning osx this way with no > luck..they HAVE run os 9 this way.i have some docs at school...chuck Yeah -- this is what I currently do in one of our labs. It takes the place of OSX's "Netboot" feature. I haven't set up the server in two years though, so the cobwebs have formed. I know I had to install Redhat v8, because the customized dhcp server was compiled for v8. It works amazingly well, but there are a few issues. Especially with older programs. I have computer freezes more often than I like, etc. I'd love to use the bondi lab as thin clients, but my Elementary staff would freak if they lost all the fuzzy-wuzzy disney type GAMES they have installed. ...but I digress -Shawn From robark at telus.net Sun Jan 30 19:39:58 2005 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:39:58 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Managing identical logins... In-Reply-To: <863ff45205012917294801d489@mail.gmail.com> References: <863ff45205012917294801d489@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41FD380E.5070805@telus.net> Tom Lisjac wrote: >We have a final issue to resolve before we can deploy the system that >involves the way the school manages it's users. Rather then logging in >individually, the kids all use the same class name... which creates >instance collisions for Mozilla and OpenOffice. There are a lot of >classes and I'm using winbind/pam to do domain authentication and >create the home directories dynamically. This makes it easy for the >Windows oriented admins to manage the class accounts and helped us >sell the Linux approach in the first place. > > > At my school I took a black marker and wrote 1,2,3,... on all the computer monitors. The login can be comp1, comp2, ... and the passwords are all the same. No problems with Mozilla or OOo. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19+Q From veewee77 at alltel.net Sun Jan 30 19:51:44 2005 From: veewee77 at alltel.net (Doug Simpson) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 13:51:44 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Managing identical logins... In-Reply-To: <41FD380E.5070805@telus.net> References: <863ff45205012917294801d489@mail.gmail.com> <41FD380E.5070805@telus.net> Message-ID: <41FD3AD0.1060803@alltel.net> One thing to consider, though, using class or computer names, especially with 7th and up is that the kids will realize they can 'share ' work easily and that will happen. We use individual usernames for every user. More work once a semester, but worth it in my opinion. . . Robert Arkiletian wrote: > Tom Lisjac wrote: > >> We have a final issue to resolve before we can deploy the system that >> involves the way the school manages it's users. Rather then logging in >> individually, the kids all use the same class name... which creates >> instance collisions for Mozilla and OpenOffice. There are a lot of >> classes and I'm using winbind/pam to do domain authentication and >> create the home directories dynamically. This makes it easy for the >> Windows oriented admins to manage the class accounts and helped us >> sell the Linux approach in the first place. >> >> >> > > At my school I took a black marker and wrote 1,2,3,... on all the > computer monitors. The login can be comp1, comp2, ... and the > passwords are all the same. No problems with Mozilla or OOo. > From robark at telus.net Sun Jan 30 20:14:32 2005 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:14:32 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Installing Moodle, MySql, and PHP In-Reply-To: <1761a0980501291927785b1c79@mail.gmail.com> References: <1761a0980501291927785b1c79@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41FD4028.4000405@telus.net> Robert Lefebvre wrote: >I'm a newbie (that will become obvious) and I'm trying to get Moodle >(a php-mysql based script) to run on K12. I didn't see any sign of >Mysql or Php being on the original install but I don't know my way >around yet to say that for sure. I downloaded MySql, PHP, and Moodle >and unpacked them to usr/local/src. Then I'm not sure what I did but I >seem to remember placing a code in the terminal that told me both were >installed. > > I would also recommend you using yum. But I think php, mysql and apache should have been already installed. You can check like this as root #rpm -qa | less then type "/" to search for mysql or php etc... BTW php needs a security update which has not come down the pipe yet. To update your installation type #yum check-update #yum update A step by step install instruction for moodle is at http://moodle.org/doc/ under apache,mysql, php. Choose redhat distro Good luck. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19+Q From bear2bar at netscape.net Sun Jan 30 20:06:20 2005 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 15:06:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Managing identical logins... In-Reply-To: <41FD380E.5070805@telus.net> References: <863ff45205012917294801d489@mail.gmail.com> <41FD380E.5070805@telus.net> Message-ID: <41FD3E3C.8010701@netscape.net> robark at telus.net wrote: > Tom Lisjac wrote: > >> We have a final issue to resolve before we can deploy the system that >> involves the way the school manages it's users. Rather then logging in >> individually, the kids all use the same class name... which creates >> instance collisions for Mozilla and OpenOffice. There are a lot of >> classes and I'm using winbind/pam to do domain authentication and >> create the home directories dynamically. This makes it easy for the >> Windows oriented admins to manage the class accounts and helped us >> sell the Linux approach in the first place. >> >> >> > > At my school I took a black marker and wrote 1,2,3,... on all the > computer monitors. The login can be comp1, comp2, ... and the > passwords are all the same. No problems with Mozilla or OOo. > Hi, Actually the problem with "comp1, etc" is that kids realise quickly that they can use the same login as another & create havoc.... Hence a script or untility that limits the "username" to a single login without "kicking" out the previous one would be great....... hint... norbert From netdxr at gmail.com Sun Jan 30 21:21:42 2005 From: netdxr at gmail.com (Tom Lisjac) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:21:42 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Managing identical logins... In-Reply-To: <41FD380E.5070805@telus.net> References: <863ff45205012917294801d489@mail.gmail.com> <41FD380E.5070805@telus.net> Message-ID: <863ff45205013013216be1e89e@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:39:58 -0800, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > Tom Lisjac wrote: > > >We have a final issue to resolve before we can deploy the system that > >involves the way the school manages it's users.... > At my school I took a black marker and wrote 1,2,3,... on all the > computer monitors. The login can be comp1, comp2, ... and the passwords > are all the same. No problems with Mozilla or OOo. That approached worked well for the first lab we built at one of our elementary schools: http://linux.hsd2.org/lab.html The middle school library is a little more of a challenge as we can't be as generous with file permissions as we were with the younger kids. :) If I can get the domain stuff going with identical logins, the teachers and admins will have tight yet flexible group control based on the class login. -Tom From adammelancon at gmail.com Sun Jan 30 21:49:26 2005 From: adammelancon at gmail.com (Adam Melancon) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 13:49:26 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Managing identical logins... In-Reply-To: <863ff45205013013216be1e89e@mail.gmail.com> References: <863ff45205012917294801d489@mail.gmail.com> <41FD380E.5070805@telus.net> <863ff45205013013216be1e89e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48928761050130134969858e43@mail.gmail.com> I work at a library and we don't use usernames, but rather I use the GDM Kiosk setup. I used this site as a guide ( http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/GDMKiosKMode ), but quickly ran into some snags, so I wrote my own page on how I setup kiosk mode. http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us/sysadminsite/k12ltspkioskmode/ I'm having the workstation login as the workstation name automatically, and when they logout, the /home/$worstationname folder is deleted and upon the automatic login again the home directory is recreated from the /etc/skel directory. It's kind of like a DIY version of centurian guard. http://www.centuriontech.com/centurionguard.htm On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:21:42 -0700, Tom Lisjac wrote: > On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:39:58 -0800, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > Tom Lisjac wrote: > > > > >We have a final issue to resolve before we can deploy the system that > > >involves the way the school manages it's users.... > > > At my school I took a black marker and wrote 1,2,3,... on all the > > computer monitors. The login can be comp1, comp2, ... and the passwords > > are all the same. No problems with Mozilla or OOo. > > That approached worked well for the first lab we built at one of our > elementary schools: > > http://linux.hsd2.org/lab.html > > The middle school library is a little more of a challenge as we can't > be as generous with file permissions as we were with the younger kids. > :) > > If I can get the domain stuff going with identical logins, the > teachers and admins will have tight yet flexible group control based > on the class login. > > -Tom > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Adam Melancon Work: http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us Personal: http://www.melancon.org From netdxr at gmail.com Sun Jan 30 23:46:35 2005 From: netdxr at gmail.com (Tom Lisjac) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 16:46:35 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Managing identical logins... In-Reply-To: <48928761050130134969858e43@mail.gmail.com> References: <863ff45205012917294801d489@mail.gmail.com> <41FD380E.5070805@telus.net> <863ff45205013013216be1e89e@mail.gmail.com> <48928761050130134969858e43@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <863ff452050130154619821952@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 13:49:26 -0800, Adam Melancon wrote: > I work at a library and we don't use usernames, but rather I use the > GDM Kiosk setup. > I used this site as a guide ( > http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/GDMKiosKMode ), but quickly > ran into some snags, so I wrote my own page on how I setup kiosk mode. > http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us/sysadminsite/k12ltspkioskmode/ Thanks for the information! I wish I had an option to use this approach. The library system we're building needs to offer a way for the kids to store their research... so I'm trying to provide a reasonably secure way to associate their class permissions with a given file share on our network. For example, if the class domain login is "grade6", the home directory would be grade6-ws2?? per the workstation name. The file server would treat them all as grade6... but Mozilla and Openoffice would have a unique home directory for each user to store their configuration data. Like the kiosk system you described, the home directories would be created then deleted for each user login. I have a feeling I'm making this harder then it really is. All I need to do is map a domain login name to a unique home directory name that I create from the user and workstation names. Where to insert this little bit of magic is the place where my bulb is a little dim! :) Thanks, -Tom From jhansknecht at hanstech.com Mon Jan 31 00:21:18 2005 From: jhansknecht at hanstech.com (John Hansknecht) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 19:21:18 -0500 Subject: [ok-mail] RE: [K12OSN] Re: AR/STAR Take XXXXXVI (give or take a few) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200501301921.18399.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> On Thursday 27 January 2005 00:49, Philemon Burney wrote: > Re: the Microsoft Access part of the question. > I am having difficulty finding a suitable Open Source or similar > alternative to Microsoft Access. > I know there is MySQL but is there a "friendly" package with a GUI for > reports, queries etc.?. Rekall is suppose to be a user friendly front end to MySQL. -- Thanks, John The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. - Mattrol at uscom.com (Drakmere) From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Jan 31 01:57:10 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 20:57:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Managing identical logins... In-Reply-To: <20050130024759.M3269@winonacotter.org> References: <863ff45205012917294801d489@mail.gmail.com> <20050130024759.M3269@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Saturday, January 29, 2005 at 9:49 PM +0000 wrote: >I don't have an answer but understand your dilemma here. In my schools >with >younger kids they cannot remember individual passwords either. So we >have >given them a "class" username and folder to log into. I would also be >interested in any suggestions to solving this problem. I actually begin having kids log on in first grade. We use a first initial, last name scheme (jsmith).....with the kids phone number as their password. This is a great thing...two-fold.....it helps the kids login as well as learn their phone number (which is important). What I do to help is I print out "login cards". They are 8.5 X 11 sheets with screenshots of the login screen with their username and passwords filled in. The teacher hands out the login cards right before they come to the lab....the kids take the cards to their terminal...sit down and log in using the card to copy from. Granted...in the beginning they need a little help, but it's not long before they don't even bring the cards! Works great and teaches at the same time! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From carl at snarlnet.com Mon Jan 31 02:14:30 2005 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 18:14:30 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] yum update problem Message-ID: <41FD9486.1090809@snarlnet.com> Running "yum update" yielded the following: Downloading needed headers Resolving dependencies ......Unable to satisfy dependencies Package apt-python needs apt = 0:0.5.15cnc6-0.fdr.11.2.k12ltsp, this is not available. how do I resolve this? Thanks, ck From ddaniels at magic.fr Mon Jan 31 02:16:23 2005 From: ddaniels at magic.fr (Dennis Daniels) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 18:16:23 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Installing Moodle, MySql, and PHP_include in K12LTSP package? In-Reply-To: <41FD4028.4000405@telus.net> References: <1761a0980501291927785b1c79@mail.gmail.com> <41FD4028.4000405@telus.net> Message-ID: <41FD94F7.5080304@magic.fr> You can also go to system settings/ add remove packages and use the package manager there... yum is great though, so is apt-get! BTW, I use Moodle everyday... I'm wondering when it will become a default for the K12LtSP package as it so good right out of the box... best! Dennis Robert Arkiletian wrote: > Robert Lefebvre wrote: > >> I'm a newbie (that will become obvious) and I'm trying to get Moodle >> (a php-mysql based script) to run on K12. I didn't see any sign of >> Mysql or Php being on the original install but I don't know my way >> around yet to say that for sure. I downloaded MySql, PHP, and Moodle >> and unpacked them to usr/local/src. Then I'm not sure what I did but I >> seem to remember placing a code in the terminal that told me both were >> installed. >> >> > > I would also recommend you using yum. But I think php, mysql and apache > should have been already installed. You can check like this > as root > > #rpm -qa | less > > then type "/" to search for mysql or php etc... > BTW php needs a security update which has not come down the pipe yet. To > update your installation type > > #yum check-update > #yum update > > A step by step install instruction for moodle is at > http://moodle.org/doc/ under apache,mysql, php. Choose redhat distro > Good luck. > -- Lost and found here: http://dennisgdaniels.com/ and here irc://freenode/tikiwiki From eworthy at shaw.ca Mon Jan 31 02:13:14 2005 From: eworthy at shaw.ca (Eric Worthy@home) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 18:13:14 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Exam Generator Programs In-Reply-To: <20050121174712.5A45D399D@mprdmxin.myway.com> References: <20050121174712.5A45D399D@mprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <41FD943A.9070107@shaw.ca> Check out Hot Potatoes if you have an interest in webbased quizzing and teaching tools. This is from their website at: http://web.uvic.ca/hrd/halfbaked/index.htm The Hot Potatoes suite includes six applications, enabling you to create interactive multiple-choice, short-answer, jumbled-sentence, crossword, matching/ordering and gap-fill exercises for the World Wide Web. Hot Potatoes is not freeware, but it is free of charge for those working for publicly-funded non-profit-making educational institutions, who make their pages available on the web. Other users must pay for a licence. Check out the Hot Potatoes licencing terms and pricing on the Half-Baked Software Website . The application software generating the various webtools runs under windows or WINE under linux. The generated code works with any webserver. Personally speaking the generated teaching tools are great. My students love the crossword puzzles. They are great vocab builders. Rob Owens wrote: >I'm sure you've thought of it already, but you could try running those programs under wine. Or you could try Crossover Office. They offer a full-featured trial download (30 days). http://www.codeweavers.com > >-Rob > > > > --- On Fri 01/21, Liam Marshall < lsrpm at mts.net > wrote: >From: Liam Marshall [mailto: lsrpm at mts.net] >To: k12osn at redhat.com >Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:34:38 -0600 >Subject: [K12OSN] Exam Generator Programs > >The only two programs currently keeping me from switching my laptop to a
dedicated Linux machine instead of dual booting is a program called
Markbook, by Assylum software, for keeping track of student marks, and
ExamView Pro Test Generator , which gives you the ability to keep
"Question Banks" and then generate quizzes/tests from the question banks.

I have yet to discover a good Linux alternative for either of these
programs. The Markbook program issue I can sidestep because it also
comes in a Mac flavour and I have a single Mac available for graphic ad
work etc.

The test generator I would like to find an alternative to because it
would allow me to be much more homogeneous environment in the lab, and I
could take my laptop home and mark assignments in 1 OS, and not have to
switch/dual boot it

Anyone have options for me?

Thanks in advance

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> >_______________________________________________ >No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. >Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.5 - Release Date: 1/26/2005 From Steven at Stevensantos.com Mon Jan 31 05:16:21 2005 From: Steven at Stevensantos.com (Steven Santos) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 00:16:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Managing identical logins... In-Reply-To: <20050131015715.EAE7C73462@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <002001c50754$0136c0e0$6701a8c0@santoswintergr> Tom, I assume your teachers all have a unique log in correct? (if not, then this will not work, and you can stop reading now...) If so, then why not have a share owned by the teacher, with the initial group of the teacher. You then have a script (say on the teachers desktop) that changes the shares group over to library terminals, and pushes the correct folder sim on to the terminals desktops (or you have a folder tree or whatever other way you want to deal with it...). You then have a log off script that changes the folder group back, and removes the simlink. Anywho, this might or might not work for you, but it sure seems like a simpler approach. From robark at telus.net Mon Jan 31 05:27:19 2005 From: robark at telus.net (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 21:27:19 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Installing Moodle, MySql, and PHP_include in K12LTSP package? In-Reply-To: <41FD94F7.5080304@magic.fr> References: <1761a0980501291927785b1c79@mail.gmail.com> <41FD4028.4000405@telus.net> <41FD94F7.5080304@magic.fr> Message-ID: <41FDC1B7.3070504@telus.net> Dennis Daniels wrote: > You can also go to system settings/ add remove packages and use the > package manager there... yum is great though, so is apt-get! > > BTW, I use Moodle everyday... I'm wondering when it will become a > default for the K12LtSP package as it so good right out of the box... Agreed. I also feel that Moodle and K12LTSP should be in alliance. I'm hoping to start Moodle with the 1.5 release this year. It's going to have an updated Quiz Module. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19+Q From ddaniels at magic.fr Mon Jan 31 05:49:09 2005 From: ddaniels at magic.fr (Dennis Daniels) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 21:49:09 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Installing Moodle, MySql, and PHP_include in K12LTSP package? In-Reply-To: <41FDC1B7.3070504@telus.net> References: <1761a0980501291927785b1c79@mail.gmail.com> <41FD4028.4000405@telus.net> <41FD94F7.5080304@magic.fr> <41FDC1B7.3070504@telus.net> Message-ID: <41FDC6D5.4020708@magic.fr> Yes, I'm very much looking forward to the new quiz module in moodle... K12LTSP could really leverage its appeal to teachers and administratiors by shipping with basic courses ready to go out of the box... my moodle pages are constantly active and the response from all stakeholders has been very positive. best! Dennis Robert Arkiletian wrote: > Dennis Daniels wrote: > >> You can also go to system settings/ add remove packages and use the >> package manager there... yum is great though, so is apt-get! >> >> BTW, I use Moodle everyday... I'm wondering when it will become a >> default for the K12LtSP package as it so good right out of the box... > > > > Agreed. I also feel that Moodle and K12LTSP should be in alliance. I'm > hoping to start Moodle with the 1.5 release this year. It's going to > have an updated Quiz Module. > -- Lost and found here: http://dennisgdaniels.com/ and here irc://freenode/tikiwiki From donlogs at cablespeed.com Mon Jan 31 06:27:19 2005 From: donlogs at cablespeed.com (Don Logsdon) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:27:19 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Managing identical logins... In-Reply-To: References: <863ff45205012917294801d489@mail.gmail.com> <20050130024759.M3269@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <41FDCFC7.6090002@cablespeed.com> What a great idea! don David Trask wrote: >"Support list for opensource software in schools." on >Saturday, January 29, 2005 at 9:49 PM +0000 wrote: > > >>I don't have an answer but understand your dilemma here. In my schools >>with >>younger kids they cannot remember individual passwords either. So we >>have >>given them a "class" username and folder to log into. I would also be >>interested in any suggestions to solving this problem. >> >> > >I actually begin having kids log on in first grade. We use a first >initial, last name scheme (jsmith).....with the kids phone number as >their password. This is a great thing...two-fold.....it helps the kids >login as well as learn their phone number (which is important). What I do >to help is I print out "login cards". They are 8.5 X 11 sheets with >screenshots of the login screen with their username and passwords filled >in. The teacher hands out the login cards right before they come to the >lab....the kids take the cards to their terminal...sit down and log in >using the card to copy from. Granted...in the beginning they need a >little help, but it's not long before they don't even bring the cards! >Works great and teaches at the same time! > > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >(207)923-3100 > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org Mon Jan 31 13:41:56 2005 From: aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org (aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 08:41:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: user's disk usage and inodes In-Reply-To: <41FAEA29.6000803@telus.net> Message-ID: <3354321668.1107160916@[10.2.60.127]> >> du -s /home/* | sort -n | less >>ls -asRS /home/badstudent |less Thanks, good stuff !!!! a command line xdiskusage - - very sweet. This helps sooo much, I can remote admin these file systems. Will do. This looks like it could take a while. That is a new approach for me. I use the following command now to find files Note: All my student and teacher ID's start with a prefix # find /home/userprefix* -name '*.zip* -ok rm '{}' ';' change *.zip to *.mp3 or whatever... *.exe aol*.* then you can delete them. change -ok to -exec and you won't get prompted for a delete response y/n. I did find the files I was looking for and eveything adds up. Thanks again, Tom Ventresco From jkinz at kinz.org Mon Jan 31 14:37:23 2005 From: jkinz at kinz.org (Jeff Kinz) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:37:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: user's disk usage and inodes In-Reply-To: <3354321668.1107160916@[10.2.60.127]>; from aust_txv@ACCESS-K12.org on Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 08:41:56AM -0500 References: <41FAEA29.6000803@telus.net> <3354321668.1107160916@[10.2.60.127]> Message-ID: <20050131093723.A23990@redline.comcast.net> On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 08:41:56AM -0500, aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org wrote: > >> du -s /home/* | sort -n | less > >>ls -asRS /home/badstudent |less > > Thanks, good stuff !!!! a command line xdiskusage - - very sweet. This > helps sooo much, I can remote admin these file systems. Will do. This > looks like it could take a while. That is a new approach for me. Hi Tom. I realize you didn't intend it but I got a chuckle out of your reaction (above). Why? because xdiskusage runs "du" and presents the info in a GUI display. UNIX/Linux is primarily text-based environment. Many of the text based commands existed before any graphical user environments were even being considered. This is where the power of UNIX seems to come from. The GUI stuff (called X-Windows) was created by a consortium of companies and Universities to try to create an Industry wide, all-platforms-compatible standard for a graphical environment. (You can even run X-windows on VMS or an Amiga!) Here is the key point: Almost everything you do as an admin on UNIX ends up being a text based operation. Given the shell scripting and other utility languages available in UNIX you have much more power and usually more speed by using the command line interface. > I use the following command now to find files > Note: All my student and teacher ID's start with a prefix > > # find /home/userprefix* -name '*.zip* -ok rm '{}' ';' > change *.zip to *.mp3 or whatever... *.exe aol*.* then you can delete > them. > change -ok to -exec and you won't get prompted for a delete response y/n. Also consider the use of the "file" command which examines the file and tells you what it is. This is a way to more accurately identify files. (What if your users start changing their mp3 files to end in ".text"? They may start doing that once their collections start disapearing..) Simplistically, like: find /home/userprefix* -exe file '{}' ';' | grep -i mp3 > /tmp/mp3list or use a fancier compound egrep to grab all the file types you want in a single line: egrep "mp3|mpg|exe" These are simplistic examples. The real world may require more care in the crafting of your regular expressions. -- Linux/Open Source: Your infrastructure belongs to you, free, forever. Idealism: "Realism applied over a longer time period" http://www.scaled.com/projects/tierone/ http://kinz.org http://www.fedoratracker.org http://www.fedorafaq.org http://www.fedoranews.org Jeff Kinz, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Jan 31 15:06:09 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:06:09 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP dhcpd.conf question Message-ID: <001d01c507a6$653f25d0$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> Does anyone know if it would cause any problems booting non-ltsp dhcp clients from a dhcp server with the ltsp dhcpd.conf? I would assume no. I would think that standard clients would ignore the kernel info and file paths and default directory stuff. The reason I ask is instead of running two dhcp servers to the network, one for ltsp and the other for standard dhcp clients, I would like to put the dhcpd.conf from the ltsp server into the current dhcp server. Then turn off dhcp on the ltsp server and let all clients use the current server. I want to have everyone on the same network using the same dhcp server. Let me know if this is possible or of any problems that might arise from this setup. Thanks, Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Mon Jan 31 15:15:20 2005 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:15:20 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Managing identical logins.. In-Reply-To: <20050131015715.3D60D73227@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050131015715.3D60D73227@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <41FE4B88.3040509@honeygroveisd.net> > Actually the problem with "comp1, etc" is that kids realise quickly > that they can use the same login as another & create havoc.... > Hence a script or untility that limits the "username" to a single > login without "kicking" out the previous one would be great....... > hint... I know very little about Linux and I'm not a C coder, so I may be off base here. If so, someone set me straight. When I try to log into my K12LTSP 4.0.1 box a second time, I get a message that says "You're already logged in. You can log in anyway or abort this login." With two buttons, "Login Anyway", and "Abort Login". Couldn't someone just change this box so that it says "You're already logged in." and take away the "Login anyway" button? C-ya, Mark ____ John Lennon's first girlfriend was named Thelma Pickles. From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Jan 31 15:22:44 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:22:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Managing identical logins... In-Reply-To: <41FDCFC7.6090002@cablespeed.com> References: <863ff45205012917294801d489@mail.gmail.com> < > <20050130024759.M3269@winonacotter.org> < > <41FDCFC7.6090002@cablespeed.com> Message-ID: A little more on this. I use a spreadsheet to generate a userlist that I can import using any one of a number of methods for adding users in bulk. You can manipulate this same spreadsheet and do a mail merge to the document with the screenshots on it. Simply put a username field and a password field on the appropriate "login screenshots" and run the mail merge...then print out the login cards with each kids username and password. Sure beats writing them in! "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, January 31, 2005 at 1:27 AM +0000 wrote: >>I actually begin having kids log on in first grade. We use a first >>initial, last name scheme (jsmith).....with the kids phone number as >>their password. This is a great thing...two-fold.....it helps the kids >>login as well as learn their phone number (which is important). What I >do >>to help is I print out "login cards". They are 8.5 X 11 sheets with >>screenshots of the login screen with their username and passwords filled >>in. The teacher hands out the login cards right before they come to the >>lab....the kids take the cards to their terminal...sit down and log in >>using the card to copy from. Granted...in the beginning they need a >>little help, but it's not long before they don't even bring the cards! >>Works great and teaches at the same time! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Jan 31 15:30:00 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:30:00 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Management Application for ltsp Message-ID: <001e01c507a9$b9f732e0$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> Just thinking out loud again here. I don't know how many of you are familiar with Network Assistant for the Mac, but it is a handy application for copying files, taking control, observing users, emptying trash, etc. Just a nice all in one application for maintaining mac clients. Does anyone know if there is a management application being worked on for ltsp that would server some of this same purpose? I see handy scripts and utilities on the list posted all of the time. Stuff for pushing icons, folders, files, applications, taking control, observing and what have you. It would be great if there were an application that kept taking all of these handy scripts and utils and kept them all in one easy to access location. It could avoid a lot of repeat questions or topics that I see here. Even if it started as a folder with a README and a collection of tools/scripts. It could evolve into a gui over time. Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Jan 31 15:36:34 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:36:34 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Managing identical logins... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001f01c507aa$a4f28880$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> > A little more on this. I use a spreadsheet to generate a > userlist that I can import using any one of a number of > methods for adding users in bulk. > You can manipulate this same spreadsheet and do a mail merge > to the document with the screenshots on it. Simply put a > username field and a password field on the appropriate "login > screenshots" and run the mail merge...then print out the > login cards with each kids username and password. Sure beats > writing them in! I do the same thing (unfortunately in MS Access). I give our admissions department access to add families and students into the database, or check students that are leaving. Then I run a macro that runs a query and exports a delimited file that is formatted for import with webadmin. And when everyone is uploaded to the server I run a report that generated these login sheets as well. The sheets contain info on accessing the websites, file folders (from every platform, and from home), their new email address, how to access webmail, etc. This is the first year that we have done this and it works awesome. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Mon Jan 31 16:26:19 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:26:19 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP dhcpd.conf question In-Reply-To: <001d01c507a6$653f25d0$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001d01c507a6$653f25d0$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: I use the same DHCP server for the terminal server and for regular clients with no problems at all. Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Mon, 31 Jan 2005, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Does anyone know if it would cause any problems booting non-ltsp dhcp > clients from a dhcp server with the ltsp dhcpd.conf? > > I would assume no. I would think that standard clients would ignore the > kernel info and file paths and default directory stuff. The reason I > ask is instead of running two dhcp servers to the network, one for ltsp > and the other for standard dhcp clients, I would like to put the > dhcpd.conf from the ltsp server into the current dhcp server. Then turn > off dhcp on the ltsp server and let all clients use the current server. > I want to have everyone on the same network using the same dhcp server. > > Let me know if this is possible or of any problems that might arise from > this setup. > > Thanks, > > Jim Kronebusch > Cotter Tech Department > 507-453-5188 > jim at winonacotter.org > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Mon Jan 31 17:34:38 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:34:38 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Printers on thin clients problem In-Reply-To: <41F66305.7010902@inlandlakes.org> References: <41F66305.7010902@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <41FE6C2E.50605@paasda.org> Shawn, I've had the same issue...running 4.1.1 I gave the librarian access and a 5 min session in how to restart the printer from the cups web admin page. --Huck Shawn Powers wrote: > I am running 4.0.1, with about 110 thin clients in our district. > Local printing is working great (we're sharing samsung 1740 laser > printers) -- but every few days, the printers stop working. Sometimes > there is an error page that prints out, sometimes not. It always > happens in the middle of the school day, and although rebooting the > thin client solves the problem, it's not really feasible at any given > time to do so. This is especially true since it's usually the > classroom across the hall trying to print, since we have to share > printers among classrooms. Is there a known issue with local > printing? Anyone have any ideas about how to debug the problem? Any > chance upgrading to 4.2 would help? From wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com Mon Jan 31 18:34:49 2005 From: wilson at wilsonch.gotdns.com (Wilson Chan) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 08:34:49 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Howto setup server with 3 Nics? In-Reply-To: <41FE6C2E.50605@paasda.org> Message-ID: <20050131083449.4c6c5416@trunks> Im trying to setup a 12 client LTSP server to use (2) nic's to handle traffic to the clients. I dont want to do bonding since my cheapo switches cant handle it. I plan on using one nic for 6 clients on one 8port switch and the other 6 clients on another 8port switch. This will surely yeild me more throughput to the server then with one 100mbit nic. Any instructions on howto do this? Thanks! Wilson From veewee77 at alltel.net Mon Jan 31 19:56:37 2005 From: veewee77 at alltel.net (Doug Simpson) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:56:37 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP dhcpd.conf question In-Reply-To: <001d01c507a6$653f25d0$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001d01c507a6$653f25d0$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <41FE8D75.5040308@alltel.net> This is possible, but you will have to put in a line in the dhcpd.conf file like: next server = IP address or something like that since the ltsp files won't actually live on the server where DHCP is actually running. Someone else on here can tell you what to add and where to add it. I used to have that setup configured here but when I replaced a server, the ltsp in now being run from the same server as DHCP. Guys? P.S. is the other server running linux? (the one where dhcpd will be running. . .) Doug Jim Kronebusch wrote: >Does anyone know if it would cause any problems booting non-ltsp dhcp >clients from a dhcp server with the ltsp dhcpd.conf? > >I would assume no. I would think that standard clients would ignore the >kernel info and file paths and default directory stuff. The reason I >ask is instead of running two dhcp servers to the network, one for ltsp >and the other for standard dhcp clients, I would like to put the >dhcpd.conf from the ltsp server into the current dhcp server. Then turn >off dhcp on the ltsp server and let all clients use the current server. >I want to have everyone on the same network using the same dhcp server. > >Let me know if this is possible or of any problems that might arise from >this setup. > >Thanks, > >Jim Kronebusch >Cotter Tech Department >507-453-5188 >jim at winonacotter.org > > > > From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Jan 31 20:10:56 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:10:56 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP dhcpd.conf question In-Reply-To: <41FE8D75.5040308@alltel.net> Message-ID: <004a01c507d0$f96b06a0$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> > This is possible, but you will have to put in a line in the > dhcpd.conf > file like: > next server = IP address I was thinking the option root-path would handle this since it calls out an IP then the directory. But I suppose there is nothing in the filename callout with a server IP address so it knows where the tftp server is. Can this be added with filename "serverIP:/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp";? Or is the next server = IP address all I need to do? > P.S. is the other server running linux? (the one where dhcpd will be > running. . .) The other server is running WBEL 3.0.1 with Bind9. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Jan 31 20:14:38 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:14:38 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP dhcpd.conf question In-Reply-To: <41FE8D75.5040308@alltel.net> Message-ID: <004b01c507d1$7da34ae0$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> > Someone else on here can tell you what to add and where to add it. I > used to have that setup configured here but when I replaced a server, > the ltsp in now being run from the same server as DHCP. Eventually I'll probably be running dhcp on the LTSP server only as well. But since there are a lot of things still in the development stage this server will probably be rebooted a lot. I want to make sure nobody has trouble getting an IP during this stage. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Jan 31 20:24:52 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:24:52 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP dhcpd.conf question In-Reply-To: <004a01c507d0$f96b06a0$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <004c01c507d2$eb54b190$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> > > This is possible, but you will have to put in a line in the > > dhcpd.conf > > file like: > > next server = IP address Doing a little googling it looks like the next-server xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx would be placed on the line right after where the filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp" is called out? -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Jan 31 20:34:58 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:34:58 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP dhcpd.conf question In-Reply-To: <004c01c507d2$eb54b190$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <004d01c507d4$54f91b80$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> > Doing a little googling it looks like the next-server > xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx would be placed on the line right after where > the filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp" is called out? Now I just saw a thread that says PXE needs the boot file on the same server and won't accept the next-server command. Would I be better running a tftp server on the other box to make things simple? Would that allow me to not have a next-server line? -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Mon Jan 31 20:33:39 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:33:39 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Howto setup server with 3 Nics? In-Reply-To: <20050131083449.4c6c5416@trunks> References: <20050131083449.4c6c5416@trunks> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I was thinking of doing a similar thing (on a machine with two GBE ports and one 100Mbit Ethernet port. (The lab on one of the Gig port, the classroom machines on the other, and the outside world on the 100Mbit.) Is there a list of things that need to be modified? On Jan 31, 2005, at 12:34 PM, Wilson Chan wrote: > Im trying to setup a 12 client LTSP server to use (2) nic's to handle > traffic to the clients. I dont want to do bonding since my cheapo > switches cant handle it. I plan on using one nic for 6 clients on one > 8port switch and the other 6 clients on another 8port switch. This > will surely yeild me more throughput to the server then with one > 100mbit nic. Any instructions on howto do this? Thanks! > > > > Wilson > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkH+liMACgkQfqZR3ThMfXQCEACdFOg7Z6hhC7ZQO8Mhha/jRpDc 3rsAnjLj3TpV6ni/OAKUinpltLElNZTz =eIWI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Mon Jan 31 20:38:47 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:38:47 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP dhcpd.conf question In-Reply-To: <004a01c507d0$f96b06a0$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <004a01c507d0$f96b06a0$fe9b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: If I remember correctly, all you have to do is add the next server line. . . Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Mon, 31 Jan 2005, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > This is possible, but you will have to put in a line in the > > dhcpd.conf > > file like: > > next server = IP address > > I was thinking the option root-path would handle this since it calls out > an IP then the directory. But I suppose there is nothing in the > filename callout with a server IP address so it knows where the tftp > server is. Can this be added with filename > "serverIP:/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp";? Or is the next server = IP address all I > need to do? > > > P.S. is the other server running linux? (the one where dhcpd will be > > running. . .) > > The other server is running WBEL 3.0.1 with Bind9. > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From opensource at whitenitro.com Mon Jan 31 21:17:31 2005 From: opensource at whitenitro.com (Bryant Patten) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:17:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] How many K12LTSP installations? In-Reply-To: <20050131170019.2A6D873C64@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050131170019.2A6D873C64@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: Hello All - Anyone care to guess at how many K12LTSP installations exist both nationally and internationally? I was asked that question today while touting its virtues and realized I didn't have a decent answer. A follow up question (for bonus points) would be the average number of users on an installation so we could give out the total number of people using it on a given day. Bryant Patten White Nitro, LLC From aslansreturn at yahoo.com Mon Jan 31 21:22:31 2005 From: aslansreturn at yahoo.com (richard ingalls) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:22:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Anyone good with Sendmail? Message-ID: <20050131212231.66887.qmail@web52902.mail.yahoo.com> list members i desperately need a solution to what i think is a sendmail problem. can anyone help me out or point me to a place where i can get the help i need? please? SYNOPSIS: my email/web server is receiving emails (at least my account) BUT not SENDING emails. it has worked fine for almost two years. this was from K12LTSP 3.0.0 (RH8). i'm using Sendmail. suddenly things are sending... i don't know why - i haven't changed anything. BACKGROUND: i'm NOT a techie, but a school teacher who has to do tech stuff. i've used k12LTSP to install four different classroom labs and setup a web/email server and a squidguard/dansguardian proxy filter and a nessus network security box. i really don't know how to do much in linux, but i've got all these great linux machines working in my building. NOW my email is not sending. Had to switch to my yahoo mail account just to post to the list... SOLUTIONS: i'm willing to set up a new & seperate email box just for sendmail and redo the whole thing, if this is what is necessary... how do i migrate all of my teachers' email boxes over to a new machine? thanks for any help / suggestions. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From robert.r.lefebvre at gmail.com Mon Jan 31 21:21:36 2005 From: robert.r.lefebvre at gmail.com (Robert Lefebvre) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:21:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] where is "localhost" pulling from Message-ID: <1761a09805013113214a8c5692@mail.gmail.com> I thank everyone that assisted getting my mysql, apache, php started. I finally installed Xampp and it to. I hate it when installs go bad because I get confused, and forget what did what and when, but before I installed Xampp http://localhost in the browser would pull up a page. I think this was from Installing apache by itself. Whatever script it was instructed to replace the page with an html page that said "go away" (for security in other words). So now I've installed Xampp, the install went great, and with a terminal query I have determined that all are running. Unfortuanately a call to localhost gets me the same page as before (the "go away" page) and none of the new pages are showing. I can't find them in the file tree, are AMP files hidden? -- From dalen at czexan.net Mon Jan 31 21:22:34 2005 From: dalen at czexan.net (dale) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:22:34 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] How many K12LTSP installations? In-Reply-To: References: <20050131170019.2A6D873C64@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <41FEA19A.2050900@czexan.net> Bryant Patten wrote: > Hello All - > > Anyone care to guess at how many K12LTSP installations exist both > nationally and internationally? > A follow up question (for bonus points) would be the average number > of users on an installation so we could give out the total number of > people using it on a given day. Perhaps someone could create a "registered K12LTSP user" page where k12ltsp users could register an email address and metrics (k12ltsp servers installed, avg users/server, etc) and then they could be given a unique number (similar to registered linux user). From aslansreturn at yahoo.com Mon Jan 31 21:27:09 2005 From: aslansreturn at yahoo.com (richard ingalls) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:27:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] How many K12LTSP installations? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050131212709.68611.qmail@web52902.mail.yahoo.com> --- Bryant Patten wrote: > Hello All - > > Anyone care to guess at how many K12LTSP > installations exist both > nationally and internationally? > > I was asked that question today while touting its > virtues and realized > I didn't have a decent answer. > > A follow up question (for bonus points) would be > the average number of > users on an installation so we could give out the > total number of > people using it on a given day. > > Bryant Patten > White Nitro, LLC > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > i have 3 classroom k12ltsp servers serving 28 "thin"(fat)-clients with approx 100 users. always trying to add more recycled computers to the systems. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From les at futuresource.com Mon Jan 31 21:35:32 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:35:32 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Anyone good with Sendmail? In-Reply-To: <20050131212231.66887.qmail@web52902.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050131212231.66887.qmail@web52902.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1107207332.21885.40.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2005-01-31 at 15:22, richard ingalls wrote: > SYNOPSIS: my email/web server is receiving emails (at > least my account) BUT not SENDING emails. it has > worked fine for almost two years. this was from > K12LTSP 3.0.0 (RH8). i'm using Sendmail. suddenly > things are sending... i don't know why - i haven't > changed anything. Look at /var/log/maillog for the errors to see why it isn't sending. Or try a 'sendmail -v -q' to do a queue run with verbose messages to the screen. You might just need a 'service sendmail stop', service sendmail start' to make it work again. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Mon Jan 31 21:47:58 2005 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:47:58 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] [Bother?] k12ltsp for AMD_64 In-Reply-To: References: <1106961502.3030.11.camel@roop.ltsp> Message-ID: <41FEA78E.3050508@saskforestcentre.ca> Eric Harrison wrote: > On Sat, 29 Jan 2005, Sudev Barar wrote: > >> Eric, >> Great job on 4.2 >> Possibility of 64 bit distro? With more people opting for AMD on servers >> due to price performance...is it likely step? >> Sorry for being a bother. >> -- >> Sudev Barar >> Learning Linux > > > I'm working on it, here is a link to a post on this I made a couple > of weeks ago: > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2005-January/msg00166.html > > > And as for architecture FAQ #2... yes, I'm working on packages for > booting old Macs as well ;-) > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > Well, After the same two weeks running amd64 K12LTSP - per the instructions in Eric's email (above) I have to say it's working fine. My last server was running k12ltsp4.0/4.1. I did a fresh install of FC3, and then added in the various repositories and so on. It has performed very well, and the 32bit binaries have mostly worked, with a couple of exceptions. My crappy mpio mp3 player which uses the libusb functions hasn't worked yet... All of the basics seem to work, although I haven't got sound working on the terminals. I tried quickly, but the terminal wouldn't start programs - something about wanting libaudiooss.so.1.0. Turns out it's an issue with nasd. I didn't pursue it. Who knows. Angus Carr. From robert.r.lefebvre at gmail.com Mon Jan 31 22:19:03 2005 From: robert.r.lefebvre at gmail.com (Robert Lefebvre) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:19:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Installing Moodle, MySql, and PHP In-Reply-To: <1761a0980501291927785b1c79@mail.gmail.com> References: <1761a0980501291927785b1c79@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1761a098050131141920a25e6b@mail.gmail.com> Here is the error message when I tried to access mysql: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [root at server ~]# service mysqld start Initializing MySQL database: [ OK ] Timeout error occurred trying to start MySQL Daemon. Starting MySQL: [FAILED] [root at server ~]# mysql ERROR 2002: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock' (111) [root at server ~]# >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 22:27:02 -0500, Robert Lefebvre wrote: > I'm a newbie (that will become obvious) and I'm trying to get Moodle > (a php-mysql based script) to run on K12. I didn't see any sign of > Mysql or Php being on the original install but I don't know my way > around yet to say that for sure. I downloaded MySql, PHP, and Moodle > and unpacked them to usr/local/src. Then I'm not sure what I did but I > seem to remember placing a code in the terminal that told me both were > installed. > Ist, are they properly installed and how can I test them. If and when > they are installed, where and how do I access Moodle? I also > downloaded mysql-administrator which, when I tried to open it, went > through an install process but I can't find it either. Can someone > walk me through this please? > -- MissionaryNet.org - bringing the 21st Century technology to The Great Commission From ramonklown at pop.com.br Mon Jan 31 22:30:06 2005 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:30:06 -0200 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Installing Moodle, MySql, and PHP In-Reply-To: <1761a098050131141920a25e6b@mail.gmail.com> References: <1761a0980501291927785b1c79@mail.gmail.com> <1761a098050131141920a25e6b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1243.200.149.217.165.1107210606.squirrel@popmail3.pop.com.br> do a "> locate mysql.sock" if you find it do: ln /var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock /whatever/path/you/find/it/mysql.sock if it's there already restart the computer and if that dosen't solve it, please search for mysql install tuts. Or that book "Setting up Lamp" Peace, Ramon > Here is the error message when I tried to access mysql: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > [root at server ~]# service mysqld start > Initializing MySQL database: [ OK ] > Timeout error occurred trying to start MySQL Daemon. > Starting MySQL: [FAILED] > [root at server ~]# mysql > ERROR 2002: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket > '/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock' (111) > [root at server ~]# >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 22:27:02 -0500, Robert Lefebvre > wrote: >> I'm a newbie (that will become obvious) and I'm trying to get Moodle >> (a php-mysql based script) to run on K12. I didn't see any sign of >> Mysql or Php being on the original install but I don't know my way >> around yet to say that for sure. I downloaded MySql, PHP, and Moodle >> and unpacked them to usr/local/src. Then I'm not sure what I did but I >> seem to remember placing a code in the terminal that told me both were >> installed. >> Ist, are they properly installed and how can I test them. If and when >> they are installed, where and how do I access Moodle? I also >> downloaded mysql-administrator which, when I tried to open it, went >> through an install process but I can't find it either. Can someone >> walk me through this please? >> > > > -- > MissionaryNet.org - bringing the 21st Century technology to The Great Commission > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From ramonklown at pop.com.br Mon Jan 31 22:32:25 2005 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:32:25 -0200 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] skype on k12?? Message-ID: <1259.200.149.217.165.1107210745.squirrel@popmail3.pop.com.br> anyone ever made this happen?? if you did please tell me how, I need it. I have tried to make sound work and still does not. Server mother board: a7v8xx clients: a7v400mx, a7n8xx From ramonklown at pop.com.br Mon Jan 31 22:35:26 2005 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:35:26 -0200 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] where is "localhost" pulling from In-Reply-To: <1761a09805013113214a8c5692@mail.gmail.com> References: <1761a09805013113214a8c5692@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1270.200.149.217.165.1107210926.squirrel@popmail3.pop.com.br> On a default install is located at "/opt/lampp/htdocs", just do a "locate htdocs". Put your pages there and be sure to start lampp with "/opt/lampp/lampp start". > I thank everyone that assisted getting my mysql, apache, php started. > I finally installed Xampp and it to. I hate it when installs go bad > because I get confused, and forget what did what and when, but before > I installed Xampp http://localhost in the browser would pull up a > page. I think this was from Installing apache by itself. Whatever > script it was instructed to replace the page with an html page that > said "go away" (for security in other words). So now I've installed > Xampp, the install went great, and with a terminal query I have > determined that all are running. Unfortuanately a call to localhost > gets me the same page as before (the "go away" page) and none of the > new pages are showing. I can't find them in the file tree, are AMP > files hidden? > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > >