From sudev at mantraonline.com Tue Mar 1 01:34:13 2005 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 07:04:13 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] one more time In-Reply-To: <4223723C.3040509@maltzen.net> References: <200502222205.j1MM5JV27774@downeast.net> < > < > < > < > <421CB114.2040502@maltzen.net> < > <421F5CDB.6080908@maltzen.net> <4223723C.3040509@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1109640853.6251.5.camel@roop.ltsp> On Mon, 2005-02-28 at 13:34 -0600, Petre Scheie wrote: > 2a. Install an X server on the Windows boxes. The X-LiveCD allows you > to run the CygWin X server from a CD, and it also has an option to > install the X server on the Windows machine (the installer has a few > bugs regarding the icons and menu choices it's supposed to add, but the > actual X server installs without problems). If you're trying to get to > the point of users just clicking on an icon and having it automatically > connect to the Linux app server and loading the Gimp, say, you'll have > to setup encryption keys with SSH & putty, and use those to > automatically launch the apps. I haven't done this, but it's an > interesting problem; but it may require more effort than step 2b below. [SNIP] Did more or less what you have described to run evolution mail client on a remote win desktop. Works if you go through all settings of PuTTY properly, especially those that deal with X forwarding. Maybe since I was on remote location the speed of display rendering was a big problem. End of the day I found much easier (and lot faster!!) to just use PuTTY and mutt for reading mail. Let us get feed back on how this progresses. -- Sudev Barar From awoehler at woehler.us Tue Mar 1 02:24:49 2005 From: awoehler at woehler.us (Aaron Woehler) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 19:24:49 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] failure to mount Netware volume In-Reply-To: <200502281855.AA886112466@mail.jchs.com> References: <200502281855.AA886112466@mail.jchs.com> Message-ID: <4223D271.2060901@woehler.us> Sorry I guess that wasn't very clear. The /usr/sbin/ncpmount program needs to be suid so try chmod 700 /usr/sbin/ncpmount same for ncpunmount or chmod u+s,og-rwx /usr/sbin/ncpmount Aaron Burt Carter wrote: >On what directory does the permissions need to be 700? THe user has full rights to their home directories on the novell server. I am pretty sure the permissions on the /home/ direcotry are already 700 by default. >thanks, >Burt > > > >---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >From: Aaron Woehler >Reply-To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." >Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 16:32:58 -0700 > > > >>Make sure that you have the correct permissions for ncpmount I believe >>they should be 700. >>I had a similiar problem and had to dig through the source files to get >>the message for the error which I believe was the same as yours. >> >>I used the following website as my guide to get it running. >>http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net/k12ltsp/netware.htm >> >>Aaron >> >>Burt Carter wrote: >> >> >> >>>I am having trouble getting my LTSP machine to mount the user?s home >>>directory after authentication. >>> >>>This is really holding me up and I cannot continue until I get this >>>resolved. I am getting the following message when I tail /var/log/secure >>> >>>/var/log/secure >>> >>>--------------------------------- >>> >>>[root at RHN ncpfs-2.2.4]# tail /var/log/secure >>> >>>Feb 28 13:33:57 RHN pam_ncp_auth[2786]: running as student >>>"/usr/local/bin/ncpmount -U .student.HSMS.BOE - >>> >>>S HSMS-HOME -A HSMS-HOME -V USER:/USER/HS/STUDENT/STUDENT -o >>>symlinks,exec -u 2001 -c 2001 -d 0700 /home/s >>> >>>tudent/nwhome" >>> >>>Feb 28 13:33:57 RHN pam_ncp_auth[2786]: /usr/local/bin/ncpmount >>>finished with error 51 >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > > > > > >________________________________________________________________ >Sent via the WebMail system at mail.jchs.com > > > > > > >This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain legally privileged and confidential information intended solely for the use of the addressee. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by telephone (478-982-6000) or by electronic mail, and delete this message and all copies and backups thereof. Thank You. > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From lee at renarts.org Tue Mar 1 02:53:26 2005 From: lee at renarts.org (Lee Myrick) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 18:53:26 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Squid and dansguardian Message-ID: <3f3e6c4d247270e6a6f16ab676fe5cd4@renarts.org> Hello all, Okay, I just got our k12ltsp network setup and running (woohoo! pictures can be found at http://renarts.org/technology.php ). Now I'm on to part two of the project: We currently have a dsl line coming in for internet access (works fine with the server just setup for dhcp connection). Now I want to setup Squid and Dansguardian. From what I've read on this list, it seems the best way to do this is with a separate box. I have an extra Compaq PIII box that should work. I'd also like this box to be an mail server if possible. I'm not new to Linux, but I'm new to a project this large, so forgive me if I'm asking newbie questions: I'm trying to get the physical configuration down as I haven't seen any talk about this part of setting up a proxy box. Question 1: Does the squid/dansguardian box need two nics? One for dsl in and one out to ltsp server? Question 2: Is it feasible to do squid/ dansguardian and a mail/ftp server on the same box? thanks, Lee Myrick Information Technology Coordinator Renaissance Arts Academy lee at renarts.org http://www.renarts.org 323-259-5700 school site From adammelancon at gmail.com Tue Mar 1 03:41:37 2005 From: adammelancon at gmail.com (Adam Melancon) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 19:41:37 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Squid and dansguardian In-Reply-To: <3f3e6c4d247270e6a6f16ab676fe5cd4@renarts.org> References: <3f3e6c4d247270e6a6f16ab676fe5cd4@renarts.org> Message-ID: <48928761050228194114b92ad@mail.gmail.com> Don't know if it will help, but I try to pass along a how-to I wrote for my situation. I hope it can be of some help to you. http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us/sysadminsite/squidguard/ On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 18:53:26 -0800, Lee Myrick wrote: > Hello all, > > Okay, I just got our k12ltsp network setup and running (woohoo! > pictures can be found at http://renarts.org/technology.php ). > > Now I'm on to part two of the project: We currently have a dsl line > coming in for internet access (works fine with the server just setup > for dhcp connection). Now I want to setup Squid and Dansguardian. From > what I've read on this list, it seems the best way to do this is with a > separate box. I have an extra Compaq PIII box that should work. I'd > also like this box to be an mail server if possible. > > I'm not new to Linux, but I'm new to a project this large, so forgive > me if I'm asking newbie questions: I'm trying to get the physical > configuration down as I haven't seen any talk about this part of > setting up a proxy box. > > Question 1: Does the squid/dansguardian box need two nics? One for dsl > in and one out to ltsp server? > > Question 2: Is it feasible to do squid/ dansguardian and a mail/ftp > server on the same box? > > thanks, > > Lee Myrick > Information Technology Coordinator > Renaissance Arts Academy > lee at renarts.org > http://www.renarts.org > > 323-259-5700 school site > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Adam Melancon Work: http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us Personal: http://www.melancon.org From ascensiontech at gmail.com Tue Mar 1 06:21:07 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Ascension Tech) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 01:21:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] old laptops Message-ID: <9bd31756050228222195d2bb7@mail.gmail.com> I'm getting a lot of old laptops lately with no ethernet. Can anyone recommend a pcmcia ethernet card that boots into k12ltsp with pxe, etherboot or a pxes cd? I tried a D-Link DFE-690txd because it's based on the Realtek, but no joy. Thanks, Peter From z-man at hawaii.rr.com Tue Mar 1 08:32:02 2005 From: z-man at hawaii.rr.com (Jeff Zidek) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 22:32:02 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] old laptops In-Reply-To: <9bd31756050228222195d2bb7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Do they have cdroms? One way would be to download the pxes iso and make bootable cdroms. Then just have the click on the icon to boot from a LTSP server. Why not download the iso and try it out. Jeff Zidek -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Ascension Tech Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 8:21 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: [K12OSN] old laptops I'm getting a lot of old laptops lately with no ethernet. Can anyone recommend a pcmcia ethernet card that boots into k12ltsp with pxe, etherboot or a pxes cd? I tried a D-Link DFE-690txd because it's based on the Realtek, but no joy. Thanks, Peter _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Tue Mar 1 09:14:12 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 09:14:12 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Squid and dansguardian References: <3f3e6c4d247270e6a6f16ab676fe5cd4@renarts.org> Message-ID: <00ce01c51e3f$08a4acf0$65c8a8c0@brianwork> Lee Myrick wrote: > Hello all, > > Okay, I just got our k12ltsp network setup and running (woohoo! > pictures can be found at http://renarts.org/technology.php ). > > Now I'm on to part two of the project: We currently have a dsl line > coming in for internet access (works fine with the server just setup > for dhcp connection). Now I want to setup Squid and Dansguardian. From > what I've read on this list, it seems the best way to do this is with > a separate box. I have an extra Compaq PIII box that should work. I'd > also like this box to be an mail server if possible. > > I'm not new to Linux, but I'm new to a project this large, so forgive > me if I'm asking newbie questions: I'm trying to get the physical > configuration down as I haven't seen any talk about this part of > setting up a proxy box. > > Question 1: Does the squid/dansguardian box need two nics? One for dsl > in and one out to ltsp server? > > Question 2: Is it feasible to do squid/ dansguardian and a mail/ftp > server on the same box? > > thanks, > > Lee Myrick > Information Technology Coordinator > Renaissance Arts Academy > lee at renarts.org > http://www.renarts.org > > 323-259-5700 school site > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see If your going to have a dedicated proxy server box have a look at Censornet (www.censornet.com) it's a open source proxy server that used Squid, Dansguardian on a Debian system. It has loads of nice management tools and will authenticate against Samba. We use it in College and are really impressed by it. Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From sudev at m4linux.com Tue Mar 1 10:48:02 2005 From: sudev at m4linux.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 16:18:02 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] old laptops In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1109674081.15024.1.camel@server.ltsp> On Tue, 2005-03-01 at 14:02, Jeff Zidek wrote: > Do they have cdroms? One way would be to download the pxes iso and make > bootable cdroms. Then just have the click on the icon to boot from a LTSP > server. Why not download the iso and try it out. Jeff Zidek > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On > Behalf Of Ascension Tech > Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 8:21 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: [K12OSN] old laptops > > > I'm getting a lot of old laptops lately with no ethernet. Can anyone > recommend a pcmcia ethernet card that boots into k12ltsp with pxe, > etherboot or a pxes cd? I tried a D-Link DFE-690txd because it's > based on the Realtek, but no joy. Try wireless package for booting off PCMCIA card ethernet. Howto on the LTSP documentation pages. Works with 3Com cards and no reason why it should not with others. AFAIK this is independent of type of card (chipset) -- Sudev Barar From daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se Tue Mar 1 11:53:20 2005 From: daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se (Daniel Hedblom) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:53:20 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Two identical cards one doesnt work. Message-ID: <1109678000.422457b02a53b@rix01.dyndns.org> Hello! I have one heck of a bug to chew on. I have DM9102 AF cards in most thin clients. They are bought at the same time and seems to be identical to me. They all worked with k12ltsp up until the k12ltsp-4.1 version. They all get the right driver assigned to them, tulip and most of them works just fine. Some of them boots off PXE, gets ip from DHCPD, launches the kernel, loads the tulip module and get no new adress from DHCP?? The DHCP log do show the first dhcp lease etc and leases out another one to the linux kernel but the kernel doesnt see that one. We have tried swapping boot roms, computers, memory etc, etc but no cigar. What has changed from the ltsp-4.1 release? /daniel Ne auderis delere orbem rigidum meum! ('< ----------------+------------------------------- /V\ Daniel Hedblom | Nipanskolan <(_) ----------------+ Solleftea /__ /\ __~~__________________Network_Technician__](__=_`)___ From natarajsn at sancharnet.in Tue Mar 1 17:48:49 2005 From: natarajsn at sancharnet.in (Nataraj S Narayan) Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 17:48:49 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [K12OSN] local printer not working In-Reply-To: <20050228235510.E8B3772FC9@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050228235510.E8B3772FC9@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: Hi I am using LTSP 4 on RedHat 7.3 server. I can'nt access the localprinter (HP Laserjet). I tried setting the JetDirect Driver and the client IP, in the redhat printer setup utility. Some where I found a library version conflict, which i dont remember exactly where. My kernel ids 2.4.18-3. Is it that LTSP 4 conflicts with RH 7.3? Should i use only LTSP 3? Plz help, regards Nataraj From gj.kramer at planet.nl Tue Mar 1 12:39:42 2005 From: gj.kramer at planet.nl (Gustav J Kramer) Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 07:39:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] old laptops In-Reply-To: <1109674081.15024.1.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1109674081.15024.1.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <4224628E.4090209@planet.nl> Sudev Barar wrote: > On Tue, 2005-03-01 at 14:02, Jeff Zidek wrote: > >>Do they have cdroms? One way would be to download the pxes iso and make >>bootable cdroms. Then just have the click on the icon to boot from a LTSP >>server. Why not download the iso and try it out. Jeff Zidek >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On >>Behalf Of Ascension Tech >>Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 8:21 PM >>To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >>Subject: [K12OSN] old laptops >> >> >>I'm getting a lot of old laptops lately with no ethernet. Can anyone >>recommend a pcmcia ethernet card that boots into k12ltsp with pxe, >>etherboot or a pxes cd? I tried a D-Link DFE-690txd because it's >>based on the Realtek, but no joy. > > > Try wireless package for booting off PCMCIA card ethernet. Howto on the > LTSP documentation pages. Works with 3Com cards and no reason why it > should not with others. AFAIK this is independent of type of card > (chipset) I've also had success with the wireless package using Linksys PCMCIA cards, both those with a dongle and those with the built in ethernet jack. I believe the model was LNE-100, or LNE-100TX. From mikko.jordman at edu.vantaa.fi Tue Mar 1 13:58:42 2005 From: mikko.jordman at edu.vantaa.fi (Mikko Jordman) Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 15:58:42 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] old laptops In-Reply-To: <4224628E.4090209@planet.nl> References: <1109674081.15024.1.camel@server.ltsp> <4224628E.4090209@planet.nl> Message-ID: <42247512.5000906@edu.vantaa.fi> Gustav J Kramer wrote: > Sudev Barar wrote: > >> On Tue, 2005-03-01 at 14:02, Jeff Zidek wrote: >> >>> Do they have cdroms? One way would be to download the pxes iso and >>> make >>> bootable cdroms. Then just have the click on the icon to boot from >>> a LTSP >>> server. Why not download the iso and try it out. Jeff Zidek >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On >>> Behalf Of Ascension Tech >>> Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 8:21 PM >>> To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >>> Subject: [K12OSN] old laptops >>> >>> >>> I'm getting a lot of old laptops lately with no ethernet. Can anyone >>> recommend a pcmcia ethernet card that boots into k12ltsp with pxe, >>> etherboot or a pxes cd? I tried a D-Link DFE-690txd because it's >>> based on the Realtek, but no joy. >> >> >> >> Try wireless package for booting off PCMCIA card ethernet. Howto on the >> LTSP documentation pages. Works with 3Com cards and no reason why it >> should not with others. AFAIK this is independent of type of card >> (chipset) > > I've also had success with the wireless package using Linksys PCMCIA > cards, both those with a dongle and those with the built in ethernet > jack. I believe the model was LNE-100, or LNE-100TX. > > Works fine for me. And, you probably have small(?) HD's on those laptops. So you can put the wireless_ltsp on on hard disk and make booting very easy and a lot faster without any diskettes. I did that because my laptops did not have any FD. I put local linux and wireless_ltsp on HD and then booting with LILO. Not necessary, but I wanted to make those laptops working also when not connected to network. mikkoj > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ramonklown at pop.com.br Tue Mar 1 14:03:14 2005 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 11:03:14 -0300 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] printer on client ltsp Message-ID: <34622.200.218.176.17.1109685794.squirrel@popmail3.pop.com.br> How would I go about putting a printer on a client, I already have a printer on the server, I would like to put the other printer on the client. Thanks, Ramon From petre at maltzen.net Tue Mar 1 14:25:11 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 08:25:11 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OOo 1.1.4 upgrade issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42247B47.2090807@maltzen.net> FYI, in the soon-to-be-released OOo 2.0, there is no sversionrc file. See http://marketing.openoffice.org/2.0/featureguide.html for details. Pre-releases (1.9.x) are available. I've installed it on a few Windows machines, but haven't tried an upgrade yet. Petre Robert Arkiletian wrote: > Terrell had a post describing how to upgrade OOo without removing the > older version. > > ----------snip------------------------ > "Here it is. Pretty simple, actually. I added a line to the bottom of > .sversionrc and tweaked /usr/bin/ooffice. Here are the files > post-editing. I included the original /usr/bin/ooffice as "ooffice.bak" > for those who want to diff against the original (recommended). > Terrell Prude', Jr. > ---------end-snip------------------ > > The mods are to ooffice and .sversionrc. I can edit ooffice with these mods > > #OOVERSION=1.0.2 > OOVERSIONRC="$HOME/.sversionrc" > #OOHOME="$HOME/.openoffice" > OOVERSION=1.1.0 > OOHOME="$HOME/OpenOffice.org1.1.4" > > .sversionrc should be > ---------------- > [Versions] > OpenOffice.org 1.0.2=file:///home/terrell/.openoffice > OpenOffice.org 1.1.0=file:///home/terrell/OpenOffice.org1.1.4 > -------------- > > how would I add this extra line to all existing users .sversionrc > files? I could just delete all .sversionrc and it would be re-created > when the users ran OOo but it would not have the first line. > From petre at maltzen.net Tue Mar 1 14:39:29 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 08:39:29 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] one more time In-Reply-To: References: <200502222205.j1MM5JV27774@downeast.net> < > < > < > < > < > < > < > < > <421CB114.2040502@maltzen.net> < > < > < > < > <421F5CDB.6080908@maltzen.net> < > <4223723C.3040509@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <42247EA1.3040803@maltzen.net> Because of the additional work of providing an X server on the Windows clients, I'd start with providing apps to the Linux clients. I think you still want the Windows box to be the single point for authentication, so have a look at Trask & Oquist's smbldap installation script. While it's designed to make Samba use LDAP, I think it includes, or could be made to include, making regular shell authentication also use LDAP, which then talks to the Windows AD (which is a 'extended' LDAP). So, the first step is to get that working, where you can telnet or ssh from the Linux client to the Linux app server. Then you need to get the DISPLAY variable automatically set; SSH has the advantage here because it can set the DISPLAY variable automatically. See the wiki at http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/ and follow the links to Gavin Spurgeon's How-to for setting up an app server. Once that's working, then we can tackle the next step (your project has too many aspects to be entirely covered in single email messages, so let's break it down into sections and deal with them one at a time). Petre Sharon Betts wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Monday, February 28, 2005 at 2:34 PM +0000 wrote: > >>Do you want to just provide those apps--Gimp, StarOffice, etc.--to the >>Windows clients, but from a central server so you don't have to install >>them on each individual Windows client machine? Or do you also want to >>setup linux thin clients? These are not mutually exclusive, but they're >>different problems/projects (both of which should be fun). > > Both -- I presently have both windows fat and linux slim (flash booted) > clients. They are all using the Windows terminal server now for apps. I > want to add a linux box to server Gimp, StarOFfice etc. > > >>Re-reading your message, it sounds like the former is your first >>priority. To run Linux X-based apps on Windows clients you'll need to >> >>1. Get the linux server to use the Windows AD for authentication when a >>client connects. Have a look at David Trask's smbldap installer >>script. There has been much discussion of it in the past few weeks. I >>think it's geared more for OpenLDAP than AD but I don't think that >>should be a show stopper. >> >>2a. Install an X server on the Windows boxes. The X-LiveCD allows you >>to run the CygWin X server from a CD, and it also has an option to >>install the X server on the Windows machine (the installer has a few >>bugs regarding the icons and menu choices it's supposed to add, but the >>actual X server installs without problems). If you're trying to get to >>the point of users just clicking on an icon and having it automatically >>connect to the Linux app server and loading the Gimp, say, you'll have >>to setup encryption keys with SSH & putty, and use those to >>automatically launch the apps. I haven't done this, but it's an >>interesting problem; but it may require more effort than step 2b below. >> >>OR >> >>2b. Install VNC client on each Windows client, and have the users launch >>that to connect to the Linux app server. This route doesn't provide the >>click-on-icon-and-app-magically-appears aspect that may be possible with >>2a, but it would be easier to setup. However, make sure your Linux box >>is big--that is, LOTS of memory, fast CPUs--because now it will have to >>support a whole desktop environment for each user rather than just an >>application or two. >> >>Anyone have any alternative suggestions? >> >>Petre >> >>Sharon Betts wrote: >> >>>Hi Petre, >>> I am grateful for all your thoughts and help. I have answered your >>>questions below. >>>In short -- I want to add a linux applicaiton server to an existing >>>windows network to serve GIMP, SCRIBUS, STAR OFFICE etc. >>> >>> >>> >>>>It sounds like you have several projects rolled into one here. ;-) >>>>1. Get LTSP server to use Windows server for authentication. >>>>2. Get LTSP server to mount users' homedirs that live on Windows server. >>>>3. Get LTSP server to print to same printers as Windows server. >>>>4. Get rdesktop working on LTSP server so users can access apps on Win >>>>server. >>>>5. Allow Windows clients to run apps from LTSP server (?). >>> >>> Sure >>> >>> >>>>I wasn't sure if #5 was something you had in mind or not. >>> >>> Yes, to minimize the winders TS cals needed. >>> >>> >>> >>>>As to the >>>>first four items, they're listed in order of decreasing difficulty, but >>>>probably in the order you need to get things working in order to pull >>>>this transition off. And I may be incorrect about #1; are you running >>>>Active Directory on the Windows server? >>> >>>Yes, running Active Directory. >>> >>> >>> >>>>Or are the Windows clients just >>>>using local authentication (info which is then passed to the Windows >>>>server when a user connects to his/her home directory on the Windows >>>>server)? The users care about #2, getting to their files. You care >>>>about #1 because it may affect how you handle #2. Others may have >>>>tackled automatically mounting Windows shares on the LTSP server >>>>(anyone?), but I haven't. >>>> >>>>With #3, are the printers all connected directly to the network (they >>>>each have their own ethernet jack) or are they connected to a computer >>>>which is then connected to the network? >>> >>>Both. >>> >>> >>> >>>>In either case, defining the >>>>printers on the LTSP server is fairly easy and can be done via cups or >>>>webmin. I would avoid using the print queues on the Windows server as >>>>it's unnecessary and just makes the LTSP server dependent on the >> >>Windows >> >>>>server. >>>> >>>>#4 is just a matter of installing rdesktop on the LTSP server. Seems >> >>to >> >>>>me someone on the list once described setting up icons for users that >>>>called rdesktop and specific apps on the Windows server. >>>> >>>>So, if you can clarify #1--that is, do you want the Windows server, >>>>where you presumably have all the user IDs and PWs stored, to handle >> >>the >> >>>>user authentication for the LTSP server so that you only have to >>>>maintain one user store, and is the Windows server running AD--then we >>>>can try to figure out what you need to do there, which should then >>>>dovetail into #2. HTH. >>> >>> >>> >>>Yes to both of these. We are running Windows DHCP. >>> >>> >>>Sharon >>>MSAD#71 Director of Educational Technology >>>sbetts at msad71.net http://www.msad71.net 207-985-1100 >>>"To err is human - and to blame it on a computer is even more so." >>>Robert Orben >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see > > > > > Sharon > MSAD#71 Director of Educational Technology > sbetts at msad71.net http://www.msad71.net 207-985-1100 > "To err is human - and to blame it on a computer is even more so." > Robert Orben > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Tue Mar 1 14:46:19 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 08:46:19 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] one more time In-Reply-To: <1109640853.6251.5.camel@roop.ltsp> References: <200502222205.j1MM5JV27774@downeast.net> < > < > < > < > <421CB114.2040502@maltzen.net> < > <421F5CDB.6080908@maltzen.net> <4223723C.3040509@maltzen.net> <1109640853.6251.5.camel@roop.ltsp> Message-ID: <4224803B.8030705@maltzen.net> Sudev Barar wrote: > On Mon, 2005-02-28 at 13:34 -0600, Petre Scheie wrote: > >>2a. Install an X server on the Windows boxes. The X-LiveCD allows you >>to run the CygWin X server from a CD, and it also has an option to >>install the X server on the Windows machine (the installer has a few >>bugs regarding the icons and menu choices it's supposed to add, but the >>actual X server installs without problems). If you're trying to get to >>the point of users just clicking on an icon and having it automatically >>connect to the Linux app server and loading the Gimp, say, you'll have >>to setup encryption keys with SSH & putty, and use those to >>automatically launch the apps. I haven't done this, but it's an >>interesting problem; but it may require more effort than step 2b below. > > [SNIP] > > Did more or less what you have described to run evolution mail client on > a remote win desktop. Works if you go through all settings of PuTTY > properly, especially those that deal with X forwarding. > > Maybe since I was on remote location the speed of display rendering was > a big problem. End of the day I found much easier (and lot faster!!) to > just use PuTTY and mutt for reading mail. > > Let us get feed back on how this progresses. I've found that even with compression (via ssh), running X applications across the public internet is painful at best. It's certainly easier than driving to the remote location in a pinch, but not practical for regular users. I actually get better performance if I tunnel VNC over ssh, either using at 'ssh -L 3700:localhost:5900 remotehost' command and then pointing vncviewer at localhost:3700, or using the -via switch with the vncviewer from the TightVNC package. I think it extracts a greater load on the remote host, and again, not usable for regular users; but it works pretty well for quick-n-dirty access to a remote graphical app. Petre From petre at maltzen.net Tue Mar 1 15:07:14 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 09:07:14 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] printer on client ltsp In-Reply-To: <34622.200.218.176.17.1109685794.squirrel@popmail3.pop.com.br> References: <34622.200.218.176.17.1109685794.squirrel@popmail3.pop.com.br> Message-ID: <42248522.4060403@maltzen.net> See http://www.ltsp.org/documentation/ltsp-4.1/ltsp-4.1-2-en.html#AEN696 Ramon wrote: > How would I go about putting a printer on a client, I already have a printer on the > server, I would like to put the other printer on the client. > > Thanks, > Ramon > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Mar 1 15:35:36 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 09:35:36 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Two identical cards one doesnt work. In-Reply-To: <1109678000.422457b02a53b@rix01.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <002001c51e74$504cd7a0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > I have DM9102 AF cards in most thin clients. They are bought > at the same time and seems to be identical to me. They all > worked with k12ltsp up until the k12ltsp-4.1 version. They > all get the right driver assigned to them, tulip and most of > them works just fine. Some of them boots off PXE, gets ip > from DHCPD, launches the kernel, loads the tulip module and > get no new adress from DHCP?? The DHCP log do show the first > dhcp lease etc and leases out another one to the linux kernel > but the kernel doesnt see that one. For what its worth my homebuilt server for K12LTSP at home has an on-board Davicom NIC which if I remember right is a 9102. It work fine up until 4.1 as well and afterwards was hit and miss for whether it worked right. I'll bet a different driver was bundled with 4.x versions than in 3.x. My solution was simply disable the onboard in the bios and slapped in a Intel Pro100 instead. But since you have a handfull of them in clients probably not a easy. This may not be relevant at all either since mine was in a server and you have trouble at the client end, but thought it may be useful for you to know. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From pvdw at criticalcontrol.com Tue Mar 1 15:48:54 2005 From: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com (Pete) Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 08:48:54 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Netware Authentication In-Reply-To: <421F5824.2070001@lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us> References: <421F5824.2070001@lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us> Message-ID: <42248EE6.5020905@criticalcontrol.com> Brandon Kovach wrote: > We recently added 94 thin clients on 2 linux boxes to our new school > and it's been one of the best decisions we've made, IMHO. > > We have a Netware 4.11 server that currently only uses IPX. > I've been watching and reading about the netware authentication and > it's exciting. We need to get that done over the summer. > > So my question is how. Does anyone have any ideas on how best to get > our LInux boxes to authenticate to the Netware server? I am not so > sure that by then, Novell will have put out a Linux client that will > work well, but ... > Also see my articles : http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/nds/features/a_integrate_nds_k12ltsp_edir.html http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/nds/features/tips/t_shares_linux_edir.html -- Peter Van den Wildenbergh CriticalControl Solutions Inc. Bow Valley Square II Suite 2400 205 - 5th Avenue SW Calgary, AB T2P 2V7 T (403) 705.7500 F (403) 705.7555 W www.criticalcontrol.com From bcarter at jchs.com Tue Mar 1 16:22:55 2005 From: bcarter at jchs.com (Burt Carter) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 11:22:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Netware Authentication In-Reply-To: <42248EE6.5020905@criticalcontrol.com> Message-ID: <001b01c51e7a$ecc89960$21690a0a@TechOffice> I have followed both of the articles to a T and still things are not working. I ran "ncpmount -S 10.10.100.17 -V user:/user/username -U username -P password /home/username/nwhome" (Where username is the name of the user and password is the password) and got the following error: ncpmount: Server not found (0x8847) My best guess is that ncpmount is attempting to use ipx to connect to the share and I do not have ipx setup on the Linux Box. Any suggestions? Burt Carter -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Pete Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 10:49 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Netware Authentication Brandon Kovach wrote: > We recently added 94 thin clients on 2 linux boxes to our new school > and it's been one of the best decisions we've made, IMHO. > > We have a Netware 4.11 server that currently only uses IPX. > I've been watching and reading about the netware authentication and > it's exciting. We need to get that done over the summer. > > So my question is how. Does anyone have any ideas on how best to get > our LInux boxes to authenticate to the Netware server? I am not so > sure that by then, Novell will have put out a Linux client that will > work well, but ... > Also see my articles : http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/nds/features/a_integrate_nds_k12ltsp _edir.html http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/nds/features/tips/t_shares_linux_edi r.html -- Peter Van den Wildenbergh CriticalControl Solutions Inc. Bow Valley Square II Suite 2400 205 - 5th Avenue SW Calgary, AB T2P 2V7 T (403) 705.7500 F (403) 705.7555 W www.criticalcontrol.com _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain legally privileged and confidential information intended solely for the use of the addressee. 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I ran "ncpmount -S 10.10.100.17 -V user:/user/username -U username -P password /home/username/nwhome" (Where username is the name of the user and password is the password) and got the following error: ncpmount: Server not found (0x8847) My best guess is that ncpmount is attempting to use ipx to connect to the share and I do not have ipx setup on the Linux Box. Any suggestions? Burt Carter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Trask >>> Technology Teacher/Coordinator >>> Vassalboro Community School >>> dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >>> (207)923-3100 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >> >> Is it possible to preset the SID when using the script ? >> >> I'm trying to setup a new Samba3 / LDAP system that I'll be able to >> just simply swap in without having to rejoin all the machine to the >> domain. >> >> Thanks >> Brian >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------- >> The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily >> the views of Portsmouth College >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > > --------------------------------------------- > This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see OK I set the SID to my existing domain's SID but when I ran the smbldap-installer script I had a couple of errors but when I finally got it to run the localsid had changed again. I've reset the SID to the correct value using net setlocalsid value but of cause all the accounts stored in the LDAP backend are wrong, is it a simple matter of just altering there value's with a LDAP Browser & the sid value in the smbldap-tools.conf ? Thanks Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From collinsr at kentoncityschools.org Tue Mar 1 17:29:24 2005 From: collinsr at kentoncityschools.org (Ryan Collins) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:29:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Ohio SchoolNet Conference In-Reply-To: <4138443808.1107945038@[10.2.1.222]> References: <4138443808.1107945038@[10.2.1.222]> Message-ID: On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org wrote: > >> It's Tuesday morning at 10:30. > I will send some of my teachers. I am missing SchoolNet this year. > What part of the state are you in ? I am in Youngstown. I thought I was > alone in Ohio. Man that's good news. > Good luck, > Tom Ventresco I'm in NW Ohio, Kenton to be exact. My presentation was supposed to be hands-on, but over 50 people showed up (and we only had 16) computers. I didn't get to show off ltsp as much as I wanted to, but the speech went very well. I've heard that one of the DA-Sites in southern Ohio is really into using Linux. I can't remember the name of it though. -- Ryan Collins - Technology Coordinator Kenton City Schools http://www.kenton.k12.oh.us/helpdesk/ From hick518 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 1 17:57:37 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 09:57:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] old laptops as thin clients Message-ID: <20050301175737.22718.qmail@web41623.mail.yahoo.com> I'm thinking about getting one or two old laptops from ebay to use as thin clients. I don't know much about laptops, so are there any gotchas that I have to watch out for as far as getting one that will work? I know I need an ethernet port and either a floppy, hd, or cdrom (for loading the bootrom), but is there anything else? A pentium should do it, right? Any weird, incompatible hardware to watch out for? Thanks -Rob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Linux_Man at comcast.net Tue Mar 1 18:03:59 2005 From: Linux_Man at comcast.net (Brian Beck) Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 13:03:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Netware Authentication In-Reply-To: <001b01c51e7a$ecc89960$21690a0a@TechOffice> References: <001b01c51e7a$ecc89960$21690a0a@TechOffice> Message-ID: <4224AE8F.5020001@comcast.net> Burt Carter wrote: > I have followed both of the articles to a T and still things are not > working. I ran > "ncpmount -S 10.10.100.17 -V user:/user/username -U username -P password > /home/username/nwhome" (Where username is the name of the user and > password is the password) > and got the following error: > > ncpmount: Server not found (0x8847) > > My best guess is that ncpmount is attempting to use ipx to connect to > the share and I do not have ipx setup on the Linux Box. > Any suggestions? > > Burt Carter > You must have ipxutils installed to Authenticate to an IPX Novell server. From pvdw at criticalcontrol.com Tue Mar 1 18:06:13 2005 From: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com (Pete) Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 11:06:13 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Netware Authentication In-Reply-To: <001b01c51e7a$ecc89960$21690a0a@TechOffice> References: <001b01c51e7a$ecc89960$21690a0a@TechOffice> Message-ID: <4224AF15.9000907@criticalcontrol.com> Burt Carter wrote: >I have followed both of the articles to a T and still things are not >working. I ran >"ncpmount -S 10.10.100.17 -V user:/user/username -U username -P password >/home/username/nwhome" (Where username is the name of the user and >password is the password) >and got the following error: > >ncpmount: Server not found (0x8847) > >My best guess is that ncpmount is attempting to use ipx to connect to >the share and I do not have ipx setup on the Linux Box. >Any suggestions? > > > Yes... do you use the IP address or the name of the server in the original ncpmount line? AFAIK ncp does not use DNS so if you use servername than put an entry in the /etc/hosts file. Did you compile ncpmount yourself after downloading the latest source? What options did you use? Did you compile it with IPX support only? DO you need IPX or can you use IP? Can you do a ping 10.10.100.17? i.o.w. the server is there? No firewall blocking IP/X traffic between client/server? Peter From jam at mcquil.com Tue Mar 1 18:14:42 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 13:14:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Project MueKow Message-ID: I'd like to share with all of you a project that we're working on in the world of LTSP. The codename is 'Project MueKow' (pronounced: Moo Cow). The project is an experiment in how we build LTSP. If it works as we hope, it will likely become LTSP-5, hopefully in Q4-2005. If you caught Eric Harrison's email late last week about some integration we are working on between LTSP and Ubuntu, you already know a little bit about it. I've written up an article on our wiki, describing in some detail what we are really trying to do. So, I invite you all to take a look at: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/MueKow Please read through it, and give us some feedback. This is still in the very early stages, and we haven't written any code yet, but it is something that we are excited to move forward with. Thanks, Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org From bcarter at jchs.com Tue Mar 1 18:26:04 2005 From: bcarter at jchs.com (Burt Carter) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 13:26:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] novell authentication Message-ID: <002601c51e8c$20ba9280$21690a0a@TechOffice> I can ping the server and have tried ncpmount with both the ip address and the servername in the ncpmount line. I have also created a hosts entry for the server on the linux box. I compiled the source myself and did not do set any configuration options, using: ./configure My server accepts both IP and IPX requests, and there is a firewall, but it allows everything out and allows established or related communication back in. /var/log/secure shows authentication is working and communication with the server appears to be working. I made the section that shows the attempt at mounting bold. Here is the output from /var/log/secure Mar 1 13:55:28 RHN pam_ncp_auth[4791]: trying to login as student.ou=hsms.o=boe Mar 1 13:55:28 RHN pam_ncp_auth[4791]: User student.ou=hsms.o=boe was successfu lly authorized by NDS server 10.10.100.17 on tree JCBOE Mar 1 13:55:28 RHN pam_ncp_auth[4791]: Auth OK Mar 1 13:55:28 RHN pam_ncp_auth[4791]: User has DN student.HSMS.BOE Mar 1 13:55:28 RHN pam_ncp_auth[4791]: start of NW home dir got HSMS-HOME_USER. HSMS.BOE \USER\HS\STUDENT\student Mar 1 13:55:28 RHN pam_ncp_auth[4791]: got HSMS-HOME USER Mar 1 13:55:28 RHN pam_ncp_auth[4791]: end of NW home dir Mar 1 13:55:28 RHN pam_ncp_auth[4791]: start of NW message server got HSMS-APPS .HSMS.BOE Mar 1 13:55:28 RHN pam_ncp_auth[4791]: end of NW message server GOT [HSMS-APPS] Mar 1 13:55:28 RHN pam_ncp_auth[4791]: using location attribute Mar 1 13:55:28 RHN pam_ncp_auth[4791]: NWCCGetConnInfo(NWCC_INFO_TREE_NAME) ret urned JCBOE Mar 1 13:55:28 RHN pam_ncp_auth[4791]: end of retrieve nds user info code: Succ ess Mar 1 13:55:28 RHN pam_ncp_auth[4791]: FOUND ZF 20800101 in NDS Mar 1 13:55:28 RHN pam_ncp_auth[4791]: APPLYING ZF 0 OFF Mar 1 13:55:28 RHN pam_ncp_auth[4791]: USING ZF 20800101 Mar 1 13:55:28 RHN pam_ncp_auth[4791]: Remote host and tty port are not checked Mar 1 13:55:28 RHN pam_ncp_auth[4791]: NW_UPDATE_USER: 4294967295 4294967295 (n ull) (null) (null) Mar 1 13:55:28 RHN pam_ncp_auth[4791]: NW_UPDATE_USER:updating 2001 4294967295 (null) (null) (null) Mar 1 13:55:28 RHN pam_ncp_auth[4791]: return value of update_user_info 0 for student Mar 1 13:55:28 RHN pam_ncp_auth[4791]: start of nw_auto_mount_home Mar 1 13:55:28 RHN pam_ncp_auth[4791]: running as student "/usr/local/bin/ncpmo unt -U .student.HSMS.BOE -S HSMS-HOME -A HSMS-HOME -V USER:/USER/HS/STUDENT/STUD ENT -o symlinks,exec -u 2001 -c 2001 -d 0700 /mnt/ncp/student/" Mar 1 13:55:28 RHN pam_ncp_auth[4791]: /usr/local/bin/ncpmount finished with er ror 51 Mar 1 13:55:28 RHN pam_ncp_auth[4791]: user .student.HSMS.BOE had trouble mount ing HSMS-HOME/USER on /mnt/ncp/student/ Mar 1 13:55:28 RHN pam_ncp_auth[4791]: saving user_info Mar 1 13:55:28 RHN pam_ncp_auth[4791]: final PAM retval 0 Mar 1 13:55:28 RHN pam_ncp_auth[4791]: APPLYING ZF 20800101 Mar 1 13:55:28 RHN pam_ncp_auth[4791]: writing a new /home/student/.nwinfos fil e Mar 1 13:55:28 RHN pam_ncp_auth[4791]: done writing /home/student/.nwinfos Mar 1 13:55:30 RHN xinetd[1951]: START: sgi_fam pid=4859 from= Any ideas? 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No matter what I do, I can't seem to get write access for the student group id to be able to save documents. Root can save, although it is asked for a password confirmation, but nothing I have done has changed the write permissions for the group. Here is the mount command I have used: mount -t smbfs -o username=student,password=abc123 //sharename/Students /S-Drive I've tried unmask = 000, doesn't seem to make a difference. I've gried gid=students, also nothing Any suggestions? -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct From loveless at lth5.k12.il.us Tue Mar 1 19:17:07 2005 From: loveless at lth5.k12.il.us (Abe Loveless) Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 13:17:07 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Squid and dansguardian In-Reply-To: <00ce01c51e3f$08a4acf0$65c8a8c0@brianwork> References: <3f3e6c4d247270e6a6f16ab676fe5cd4@renarts.org> <00ce01c51e3f$08a4acf0$65c8a8c0@brianwork> Message-ID: <4224BFB3.5030200@lth5.k12.il.us> > If your going to have a dedicated proxy server box have a look at Censornet > (www.censornet.com) it's a open source proxy server that used Squid, > Dansguardian on a Debian system. -- I'd suggest using the SME Server in Gateway mode. Setup squidGuard or Dansguardian for content filtering. Also has very easy to use web administration for enabling clamav/spamassassin and hosting email (using qmail), with Horde's IMP already included. If needed, apache, mysql, php, and many other goodies are already setup as well. http://www.contribs.org/ to download the SME Server 6.0.1 iso. This is server is pretty easy to use for the Linux newbie. But, if you are already an experienced user... you may get confused when you start mucking around on the console. In an effort to make the server as hard to break as possible, almost all configuration settings are stored in a database /home/e-smith/{accounts,configuration,networks} and 'nearly' all config files can be regenerated at anytime. So, manually editing certain config files (like /etc/httpd/config/httpd.conf) is a bad thing. Any manual changes will get lost on reboot. Custom mods have to be done in the approved SME way. Can provide a lot more info (or links) if needed. Also, if all you needed was content filtering, I probably would have recommended IPCop. But, since you want to run mail on this box... SME Server is the way to go. IMO. :) Later, Abe --------------------------------------- Abe Loveless http://www.tech-geeks.org/ From cwagnon at bryantschools.org Tue Mar 1 18:42:58 2005 From: cwagnon at bryantschools.org (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 12:42:58 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Project MueKow Message-ID: I must comment...so who came up with the name? =) Caleb Wagnon Network Administrator Bryant Public Schools (501)653-5011 ___________________ From bcarter at jchs.com Tue Mar 1 19:38:19 2005 From: bcarter at jchs.com (Burt Carter) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 14:38:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] novell authentication Message-ID: <003a01c51e96$38fb2d00$21690a0a@TechOffice> Based on the following passage from: http://www.cendio.com/files/thinlinc/userguide/html/novellfs.html : Would it be safe to assume that the reason I cannot mount a user's home directory from a novell 6 server using NSS volumes is because it is not supported? Does anyone have differing information, or has anyone successfully mounted home directories on an ltsp client from a Novell 6 SP3 server using NSS volumes? Thanks, Burt Carter 12.2.3. Accessing Novell Netware File Servers using NFS The NFS serving capabilities in Novell Netware differ between different versions of Netware. Here's an attempt to summarize what features exist on the different variants. Table 12.1. NFS serving capabilities in different Novell Netware versions Netware version Serving Traditional volumes Serving NSS volumes Netware 5.1 with Novell NFS 3.0 Support only over NFS v2. Hard links supported. File locking supported. File Access modes: NFS mode, Independent mode, Netware mode, Netware-NFS mode and NFS-Netware mode. Supported over NFS v2 and v3. Hard links supported. File locking not supported. Available File Access modes: Independent mode. Netware 6.0sp2+ with Native File Access for Unix Supported only over NFS v2. Hard links supported. File locking supported. File Access modes: Independent mode. Supported over NFS v2 and v3. File locking not supported. Hard links not supported. File Access modes: Independent mode. Netware 6.5 with Native File Access for Unix Not supported. Supported over NFS v2 and v3. File locking supported. Hard links not supported. File Access modes: Netware mode and Independent mode. If the filesystems exported from the Netware server is to be used as home directories for Linux users, both file locking and hardlink support is required for proper operation. Given the table above, home directories can only be exported and used from a Novell Netware server if they reside on traditional volumes on a Netware 6.0sp2 (or higher) server with Netware File Access for Unix installed. On the other hand, using Netware mode (if your fileserver runs Netware 6.5 or later) means you don't have to assign uid and gid values to all home directories from the Linux side, since Netware will do this translation on the server side. However, since a NFS export from Netware 6.5 doesn't support hard links, the export can't be used as a home directory without special care. Also, be aware of the fact that trustees won't work, so a shared directory where several people have read/write permissions can't be used in a decent way. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Mar 1 19:59:09 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 13:59:09 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Project MueKow In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003901c51e99$21b421d0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Please read through it, and give us some feedback. This is still in the very early stages, and we haven't written any code yet, but it is > something that we are excited to move forward with. This may be a crazy question, but under this format is there a way we could choose an independent platform to use to build the LTSP Root-Trees? Say I used Fedora as a base, could I install Debian as the /opt/ltsp/i386 directory with the " debootstrap --arch i386 sarge /opt/ltsp/i386 http://ftp.debian.org/debian"? If so could we install a ppc based distro with whatever commands that distro would need? If this is feasable could there be a menu driven script where we could choose the distro (the script would have the up to date syntax for pulling the correct packages), and then be prompted for a directory name (maybe default to /opt/ltsp/i386) where we could enter whatever we wanted? I my opinion if this is possible it would provide excellent versatility. We could run whatever base distro we fealt best for a server base, then install as many different linux flavors to serve thins as we wanted in /opt/ltsp/i386/debian /opt/ltsp/i386/fedora /opt/ltsp/i386/ubuntu /opt/ltsp/ppc/yellowdog /opt/ltsp/ppc/ubuntu You get the idea. I don't know how we would choose what we booted from the clients, we know that using the vendor code and such works with determining ppc/i386/pxe/etc but how we would determine the different flavors for each architecture I don't know. What if each architecture had a boot menu that was updated upon each flavor install under that directory base? So the above example would load a base kernel dependant on architecture and then display something like a grub boot menu but to choose your flavor instead of a kernel version, then that menu pointed you down the correct nfs path and found the correct kernel paths in tftp? Just some thoughts, I wish I knew more so I could determine if the above makes me sound insane :-) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From cliebow at downeast.net Tue Mar 1 20:21:41 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 20:21:41 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Latest smbldap-installer script available...version 1.2 Message-ID: <200503011920.j21JKFm05371@downeast.net> cant quite visualize what you are up against...can you slapcat the old database and use it to build a new one??seems like what you have proposed is a hell of a lot of work..chuck> cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > > can you use net setlocalsid to advantage? i know ith my script it > > would be trivial to do this..chuck > > > > > >> David Trask wrote: > >>> The latest smbldap-installer script (version 1.2) is now up on my > >>> site (Matt and I tested it at a presentation today) :-) > >>> > >>> http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/smbldap/ > >>> > >>> Fixes include the roaming profiles, /bin/bash default...and some new > >>> added features...check it out! > >>> > >>> David N. Trask > >>> Technology Teacher/Coordinator > >>> Vassalboro Community School > >>> dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > >>> (207)923-3100 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> K12OSN mailing list > >>> K12OSN at redhat.com > >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>> For more info see > >> > >> Is it possible to preset the SID when using the script ? > >> > >> I'm trying to setup a new Samba3 / LDAP system that I'll be able to > >> just simply swap in without having to rejoin all the machine to the > >> domain. > >> > >> Thanks > >> Brian > >> > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------- > >> The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily > >> the views of Portsmouth College > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see > >> > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > > http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > OK I set the SID to my existing domain's SID but when I ran the > smbldap-installer script I had a couple of errors but when I finally got it > to run the localsid had changed again. > > I've reset the SID to the correct value using net setlocalsid value but of > cause all the accounts stored in the LDAP backend are wrong, is it a simple > matter of just altering there value's with a LDAP Browser & the sid value in > the smbldap-tools.conf ? > > Thanks > Brian > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily > the views of Portsmouth College > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Tue Mar 1 20:36:18 2005 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 15:36:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Finished program to execute programs on user's desktops Message-ID: <1109709378.29536.37.camel@phoenix.media.local> I've got a finished program to execute programs on another user's display (and it runs it as the targeted user to boot). No xhost + needed! All using xauth!!! Weeeee! I don't recommend running it under SUDO at the moment. I have a feeling there are ways a user can execute an arbitrary command as root and get a shell of their own. Any help plugging or testing for those holes would be appreciated! It's up on the Wiki under software. http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Display%20program%28s%29%20on%20a%20user%27s%20screen Henry Burroughs Technology Director Hilton Head Preparatory School www.hhprep.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aahodson at episd.org Tue Mar 1 20:39:49 2005 From: aahodson at episd.org (Alan Hodson) Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 13:39:49 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Need a script Message-ID: Hi folks NEED: I am in dire need of a script that reads all users choosing only certain ones, then creates folders in the webserver area, set permissions and then creates a link back to the chosen user's home and renames it. EXPLANATION: I have created accounts for all teachers on K12LTSP V.4.2 servers (t.name##- a number based on the school code), and they all belong to a group called Manually, I am going into /var/www/html and creating a folder called t.name## (yes, one by one...). I then I set chmod 775 and chgrp tchr. I then make a link of this /var/www/html/t.name## and move it to the t.name## home area, where I rename it 'html' - this way, when a student types http://servername/t.name# they can see any and all documents that that teacher put in his/her folder - I suggest to them to stay away from using index.html, as that turns off the listing of that 'storage/drop area' I would like to see if a small script can a) read all user names and 'select' those ending with ## (school number, and only teachers) - b) create the folder in /var/www/html with that same name, c) set the permissions, d) make an alias of it in the original home directory and e) rename the alias to 'html', creating in effect a DROP FOLDER for all to see via the apache web server... Thanks in advance Alan A Hodson TIS/EPISD http://links.episd.org/ aahodson at episd.org -=o=- From dale.quigg at aspentech.com Tue Mar 1 17:06:38 2005 From: dale.quigg at aspentech.com (Quigg, Dale) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:06:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Squid and dansguardian Message-ID: > Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 18:53:26 -0800 > From: Lee Myrick > Subject: [K12OSN] Squid and dansguardian > Now I'm on to part two of the project: We currently have a dsl line > coming in for internet access (works fine with the server just setup > for dhcp connection). Now I want to setup Squid and Dansguardian. From > what I've read on this list, it seems the best way to do this is with a > separate box. I have an extra Compaq PIII box that should work. I'd > also like this box to be an mail server if possible. > > I'm not new to Linux, but I'm new to a project this large, so forgive > me if I'm asking newbie questions: I'm trying to get the physical > configuration down as I haven't seen any talk about this part of > setting up a proxy box. > > Question 1: Does the squid/dansguardian box need two nics? One for dsl > in and one out to ltsp server? It's easiest if you use two NICs. > Question 2: Is it feasible to do squid/ dansguardian and a mail/ftp > server on the same box? Yes. You may want to consider ClarkConnect Office (http://www.clarkconnect.com). I'm pleased with the product/value/service they offer. Hope this helps. Dale Q This e-mail and any attachments are intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email, and any attachments thereto, is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify the sender and permanently delete the original copy and any copy of any e-mail, and any printout thereof. From petre at maltzen.net Tue Mar 1 20:52:49 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 14:52:49 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Need a script In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4224D621.1090607@maltzen.net> Wouldn't it be easier to use Apache's UserDir directive, in which each teacher has a ~/public_html/ directory which can be accessed by pointing one's web browser to website/~teachername? That is, if the website is school.domain.org, and the teacher's name is smith, users can access smith's webpage by going to http://school.domain.org/~smith/. And all smith has to do is put files in /home/smith/public_html. Petre Alan Hodson wrote: > Hi folks > > NEED: I am in dire need of a script that reads all users choosing only > certain ones, then creates folders in the webserver area, set > permissions and then creates a link back to the chosen user's home and > renames it. > > EXPLANATION: I have created accounts for all teachers on K12LTSP V.4.2 > servers (t.name##- a number based on the school code), and they all > belong to a group called > > Manually, I am going into /var/www/html and creating a folder called > t.name## (yes, one by one...). I then I set chmod 775 and chgrp tchr. I > then make a link of this /var/www/html/t.name## and move it to the > t.name## home area, where I rename it 'html' - this way, when a student > types http://servername/t.name# they can see any and all documents that > that teacher put in his/her folder - I suggest to them to stay > away from using index.html, as that turns off the listing of that > 'storage/drop area' > > I would like to see if a small script can a) read all user names and > 'select' those ending with ## (school number, and only teachers) - b) > create the folder in /var/www/html with that same name, c) set the > permissions, d) make an alias of it in the original home directory and > e) rename the alias to 'html', creating in effect a DROP FOLDER for all > to see via the apache web server... > > Thanks in advance > Alan A Hodson > TIS/EPISD > http://links.episd.org/ > aahodson at episd.org > -=o=- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jkinz at kinz.org Tue Mar 1 20:52:41 2005 From: jkinz at kinz.org (Jeff Kinz) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 15:52:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Need a script In-Reply-To: ; from aahodson@episd.org on Tue, Mar 01, 2005 at 01:39:49PM -0700 References: Message-ID: <20050301155241.A29100@redline.comcast.net> On Tue, Mar 01, 2005 at 01:39:49PM -0700, Alan Hodson wrote: > Hi folks > > NEED: I am in dire need of a script that reads all users choosing only > certain ones, then creates folders in the webserver area, set > permissions and then creates a link back to the chosen user's home and > renames it. > > EXPLANATION: I have created accounts for all teachers on K12LTSP V.4.2 > servers (t.name##- a number based on the school code), and they all > belong to a group called > > Manually, I am going into /var/www/html and creating a folder called > t.name## (yes, one by one...). I then I set chmod 775 and chgrp tchr. I > then make a link of this /var/www/html/t.name## and move it to the > t.name## home area, where I rename it 'html' - this way, when a student > types http://servername/t.name# they can see any and all documents that > that teacher put in his/her folder - I suggest to them to stay > away from using index.html, as that turns off the listing of that > 'storage/drop area' > > I would like to see if a small script can a) read all user names and > 'select' those ending with ## (school number, and only teachers) - b) > create the folder in /var/www/html with that same name, c) set the > permissions, d) make an alias of it in the original home directory and > e) rename the alias to 'html', creating in effect a DROP FOLDER for all > to see via the apache web server... Assuming all teacher names end in two digits and none of the students account names do this one liner may work: for teach in `cat /etc/passwd | awk '{FS=":";}{print $1}' | \ egrep "[0-9][0-9]" ` ; do dir=/var/www/html/${teach}; mkdir $dir;\ chmod 775 $dir ; cd /home/${teach}; ln -s $dir ${teach}.html; done not tested or debugged, use at own risk, beware of gnats etc.. -- Linux/Open Source: Your infrastructure belongs to you, free, forever. Idealism: "Realism applied over a longer time period" http://www.scaled.com/projects/tierone/ http://kinz.org http://www.fedoratracker.org http://www.fedorafaq.org http://www.fedoranews.org Jeff Kinz, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Mar 1 20:57:55 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 14:57:55 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Need a script In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <005001c51ea1$5793f750$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Manually, I am going into /var/www/html and creating a folder > called t.name## (yes, one by one...). I then I set chmod 775 > and chgrp tchr. I then make a link of this > /var/www/html/t.name## and move it to the t.name## home area, where I rename it 'html' - > this way, when a student types > http://servername/t.name# they > can see any and all documents > that that teacher put in his/her folder - I suggest to > them to stay away from using index.html, as that turns off > the listing of that 'storage/drop area' This has nothing to do with making a script but may be a simpler way for you to do things. If I recall there is a function in Apache to automatically enable user webpages. You would access these with http://servername/~t.name# the ~ says this is a user website and points it to the html folder by default in the users home directory. I cannot remember exactly the syntax for setting this up or what it is called but there is usually a sample section in httpd.conf. This will of course enable user pages for all users that have a html folder in their user directory. Just another line of thinking for you to ponder. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From server at benmay.org Tue Mar 1 21:07:24 2005 From: server at benmay.org (Server @ Ben May) Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 07:07:24 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Need a script In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4224D98C.6010802@benmay.org> I would reccomend using usrdir as well, that is a line in your httpd.conf file called userdir. It has some basic instructions for you aswell to use it. -- Regards, Ben May ben at benmay.org www.benmay.org A classic is a book that is much praised yet rarely read. From jam at mcquil.com Tue Mar 1 21:12:31 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 16:12:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Project MueKow In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 1 Mar 2005, Caleb Wagnon wrote: > I must comment...so who came up with the name? It was a bit of a bad joke between Scott Balneaves and myself. We were throwing names around, and we talked about Longhorn, and that led to cows, and pretty soon, Moo Cow. Then, we went with the goofy spelling, to add a bit more mistique to it. Jim. > > =) > > Caleb Wagnon > Network Administrator > Bryant Public Schools > (501)653-5011 > ___________________ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From barry at yellowdog.com Tue Mar 1 21:14:34 2005 From: barry at yellowdog.com (Barry Solof) Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 16:14:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] novell authentication Message-ID: <4224DB3A.5090404@yellowdog.com> Hi, The easy way to test if a client can hook to a Netware server: * Boot from a Knoppix disk. You can run "knoppix 2" to avoid loading the gui. * Make a directory to use as the mount point. i.e. "mkdir /mnt/test" For IPX * "ipx_configure --auto_primary=on --auto_interface=on" * "ncpmount -S servername -U username admin.tree /mnt/test" For IP * "ncpmount -S servername -A 10.6.21.13 -U admin.tree /mnt/test" (-A is the numeric address of the server) Quick Example for IP ------------------------------ knoppix 2 mkdir /mnt/backup ncpmount -S backup -A 10.6.21.13 -U admin.ccn /mnt/backup Cool use: while you are connected to the server, create an image of the pc hard drive. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Now that you are connected to Netware, you can change into a directory on the server and run partimage. Partimage can image your hard drive into nice, cdrom sized files that will be saved on your Netware server. Cooler use: create a virtual copy of the original computer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fire up a VMWare virtual machine with the Knoppix disk. Connect to Netware as outlined above and restore the partimage files to the virtual machine. I use this all the time to create an exact copy of a production server. I can then test upgrades and modification to the server before committing the changes to the real production server. Hope this helps! From jam at mcquil.com Tue Mar 1 21:22:40 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 16:22:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Project MueKow In-Reply-To: <003901c51e99$21b421d0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <003901c51e99$21b421d0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 1 Mar 2005, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > Please read through it, and give us some feedback. This is still in > the very early stages, and we haven't written any code yet, but it is > > something that we are excited to move forward with. > > This may be a crazy question, but under this format is there a way we > could choose an independent platform to use to build the LTSP > Root-Trees? Say I used Fedora as a base, could I install Debian as the > /opt/ltsp/i386 directory with the " debootstrap --arch i386 sarge > /opt/ltsp/i386 http://ftp.debian.org/debian"? If so could we install a > ppc based distro with whatever commands that distro would need? The problem is, 'debootstrap' doesn't exist on Fedora. So you can't run that command on a fedora machine to build a debian client tree. And installing a PPC client tree on an x86 server is going to be tricky, even if the distros are the same. The problem there is that we can't run the Pre-install and Post-install scripts in the PPC packages, because they likely try to execute PPC binaries, and that won't fly on an x86 server. So, the trick there is unpack a big ole tarball into the client tree directory. Then, boot the PPC client, and run any additional installation commands that might be necessary. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org > > If this is feasable could there be a menu driven script where we could > choose the distro (the script would have the up to date syntax for > pulling the correct packages), and then be prompted for a directory name > (maybe default to /opt/ltsp/i386) where we could enter whatever we > wanted? > > I my opinion if this is possible it would provide excellent versatility. > We could run whatever base distro we fealt best for a server base, then > install as many different linux flavors to serve thins as we wanted in > /opt/ltsp/i386/debian > /opt/ltsp/i386/fedora > /opt/ltsp/i386/ubuntu > /opt/ltsp/ppc/yellowdog > /opt/ltsp/ppc/ubuntu > > You get the idea. I don't know how we would choose what we booted from > the clients, we know that using the vendor code and such works with > determining ppc/i386/pxe/etc but how we would determine the different > flavors for each architecture I don't know. What if each architecture > had a boot menu that was updated upon each flavor install under that > directory base? So the above example would load a base kernel dependant > on architecture and then display something like a grub boot menu but to > choose your flavor instead of a kernel version, then that menu pointed > you down the correct nfs path and found the correct kernel paths in > tftp? > > Just some thoughts, I wish I knew more so I could determine if the above > makes me sound insane :-) > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tue Mar 1 21:28:07 2005 From: gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk (Gavin Spurgeon) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 21:28:07 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] mouting netware home directories References: <001c01c51e7b$32fa43c0$21690a0a@TechOffice> Message-ID: <001f01c51ea5$8fc5a8e0$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Hi Burt > I have followed both of the articles to a T and still things are not working. I ran > "ncpmount -S 10.10.100.17 -V user:/user/username -U username -P password > /home/username/nwhome" (Where username is the name of the user and password is > the password) and got the following error: ncpmount -S blade3 -A blade3.leighctc.kent.sch.uk -U mount.curr -P mount -V DATA2:/hdrive /mnt/novell/hdrive This is a Real line in a script I use here with a Novell NetWare 6.5 Server and yes the volume in question 'Is' an NSS volume... Try using you server name in the -S switch and also add the -A switch and put the an FQDN that also points to your server... Please let me know, if this works.... Best Regards Gavin Spurgeon Assistant Systems Administrator gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tel: 01322 620400 DDI: 01322 620501 IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 ############################################# Unofficial K12LTSP HOWTOz & Extraz Site (http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net) ############################################# From jam at mcquil.com Tue Mar 1 21:24:42 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 16:24:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Project MueKow In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 1 Mar 2005, Eric Thibodeau wrote: > I almost yleped in front of all my Unix scripting students ...this is > indeed excellent news to me and should definately make LTSP integration > more flexible. Wish I could have been there to hear it :) > > I'm a Gentooer and would be more than pleased to test this approach on my > systems...nothing simpler than unpacking a stage 3 into an > /opt/ltsp/_test/ and go at it (without loosing an operationnal > server) That's pretty much what we are looking at doing. At least for the Gentoo folks. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org > > eric > > On Tue, 1 Mar 2005, Jim McQuillan wrote: > > > I'd like to share with all of you a project that we're working on in the > > world of LTSP. The codename is 'Project MueKow' (pronounced: Moo Cow). > > > > The project is an experiment in how we build LTSP. If it works as we > > hope, it will likely become LTSP-5, hopefully in Q4-2005. > > > > If you caught Eric Harrison's email late last week about some > > integration we are working on between LTSP and Ubuntu, you already know > > a little bit about it. > > > > I've written up an article on our wiki, describing in some detail what > > we are really trying to do. > > > > So, I invite you all to take a look at: > > > > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/MueKow > > > > Please read through it, and give us some feedback. This is still in the > > very early stages, and we haven't written any code yet, but it is > > something that we are excited to move forward with. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jim McQuillan > > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide > > Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. > > Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. > > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click > > _____________________________________________________________________ > > Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss > > For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net > > > From les at futuresource.com Tue Mar 1 21:27:28 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 15:27:28 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Project MueKow In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1109712447.28447.122.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-03-01 at 12:14, Jim McQuillan wrote: > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/MueKow > > Please read through it, and give us some feedback. If you are going to make this kind of change, why keep the /opt/ltsp/i386 copies at all, at least for machines of the same CPU type? Why not boot all clients as though they would run as fat clients, mounting the native binaries from the host but on the weaker ones continue to run the desktop remotely? http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/stateless/ seems to be on the right track although they seem a little carried away with duplicating a snapshot image for the clients to run instead of mounting the live server binaries (hasn't Solaris offered that for ages?). Why not back a thin-client startup (X -query server) into that framework, leaving the option to run anything you want as a local app on any client? Knoppix also has a workable client-boot configuration although they obviously have already had to deal with the distribution image being mounted read-only. For a P300 and up, running a local desktop starts to make sense. The 'windows years' have left us with tons of obsolete hardware designed to run a desktop and commodity-priced servers that can only handle 30 or so clients. If your goal is to recycle the clients it makes sense to take advantage of their power to reduce the need for new servers by running the desktop and/or some apps locally. If you network-mount the appropriate binaries you can do this without maintaining anything on the clients. There will be some extra work to support multiple platforms but it would just amount to maintaining appropriate NFS exported directories for them which you have to do anyway. A simple approach for this would be to use a run-from-cd version of the distribution in question on a client to mount/install/update the binaries, or use a knoppix-like scheme where you actually export the CD or a HD copy of it. There are still several problems to solve. One is the difficulty in making menus that launch things in the right place if you want to mix and match local and remote apps. X can run things where you want, but how do you build menu items that know that some clients should run a program as a local app, some on the ltsp server, and maybe others from a special app server? Or is cluster technology coming along fast that before you can work this out you would be able to launch a program locally and let it migrate itself it that would be better? This: http://kerrighed.org/what_is_kerrighed.html looks promising, but not complete yet. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jim at rossberry.com Tue Mar 1 21:33:01 2005 From: jim at rossberry.com (Jim Wildman) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 16:33:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Project MueKow In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I missed the original post. Is there a link to the project? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jim Wildman, CISSP, RHCE jim at rossberry.com http://www.rossberry.com "Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one." Thomas Paine From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Tue Mar 1 21:35:39 2005 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 13:35:39 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Project MueKow In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1109712939.26581.1.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> On Tue, 2005-03-01 at 16:33 -0500, Jim Wildman wrote: > I missed the original post. Is there a link to the project? http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/MueKow -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From jam at mcquil.com Tue Mar 1 21:38:27 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 16:38:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Project MueKow In-Reply-To: <1109712447.28447.122.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <1109712447.28447.122.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: Les, A huge number of LTSP users are deploying with 486's, Pentium-I's and Pentium-II's, with 32mb (or less). Trying to use the servers optimized binaries just wouldn't work in that case. and at this point, we're just not interested in having to maintain 2 different ways of doing this. 1 for same-arch clients, and a separate method for different-arch clients. and when I talk about diff-arch here, i'm referring to the difference between i386 and i686. (Lots of i386 clients running from i686 servers). Once we get past our experiment, we certainly could decide to open it up to use the servers actual binaries for clients that can support it. But, for now, we really need to keep the pre-i686 clients in mind. You've got some other great ideas too, but I think we've got to take this one step at a time, and make sure we are at least as good as the current LTSP. Then, once we've accomplished that, we'll see where we go next. Thanks, Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Tue, 1 Mar 2005, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Tue, 2005-03-01 at 12:14, Jim McQuillan wrote: > > > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/MueKow > > > > Please read through it, and give us some feedback. > > If you are going to make this kind of change, why keep the > /opt/ltsp/i386 copies at all, at least for machines of the > same CPU type? Why not boot all clients as though they would > run as fat clients, mounting the native binaries from the host but > on the weaker ones continue to run the desktop remotely? > > http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/stateless/ seems to be on the right > track although they seem a little carried away with duplicating a > snapshot image for the clients to run instead of mounting the live > server binaries (hasn't Solaris offered that for ages?). Why not > back a thin-client startup (X -query server) into that framework, > leaving the option to run anything you want as a local app on any > client? Knoppix also has a workable client-boot configuration > although they obviously have already had to deal with the distribution > image being mounted read-only. > > For a P300 and up, running a local desktop starts to make sense. > The 'windows years' have left us with tons of obsolete hardware designed > to run a desktop and commodity-priced servers that can only handle 30 > or so clients. If your goal is to recycle the clients it makes sense > to take advantage of their power to reduce the need for new servers by > running the desktop and/or some apps locally. If you network-mount the > appropriate binaries you can do this without maintaining anything on the > clients. There will be some extra work to support multiple platforms > but it would just amount to maintaining appropriate NFS exported > directories for them which you have to do anyway. A simple approach > for this would be to use a run-from-cd version of the distribution > in question on a client to mount/install/update the binaries, or > use a knoppix-like scheme where you actually export the CD or a > HD copy of it. > > There are still several problems to solve. One is the difficulty in > making menus that launch things in the right place if you want to mix > and match local and remote apps. X can run things where you want, but > how do you build menu items that know that some clients should run a > program as a local app, some on the ltsp server, and maybe others from > a special app server? Or is cluster technology coming along fast > that before you can work this out you would be able to launch a program > locally and let it migrate itself it that would be better? This: > http://kerrighed.org/what_is_kerrighed.html looks promising, but not > complete yet. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jam at mcquil.com Tue Mar 1 21:39:00 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 16:39:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Project MueKow In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jim, yes, it's here: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/MueKow Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Tue, 1 Mar 2005, Jim Wildman wrote: > I missed the original post. Is there a link to the project? > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Jim Wildman, CISSP, RHCE jim at rossberry.com http://www.rossberry.com > "Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best > state, is a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one." > Thomas Paine > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tue Mar 1 21:44:01 2005 From: gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk (Gavin Spurgeon) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 21:44:01 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: mouting netware home directories Message-ID: <008301c51ea7$c8216290$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Hi Burt & List.. from the ncpmount man pages:- -A dns name (mount option ipserver=dns name) When you are mounting volumes from NetWare 5 server over UDP, you must specify dns name of server here and logical server name in -S (or in server=). This name is used to switch ncpmount into UDP mode and to specify server to connect. Currently, DNS is only supported IP name resolution protocol. There is currently no support for SLP. Best Regards Gavin Spurgeon Assistant Systems Administrator gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tel: 01322 620400 DDI: 01322 620501 IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 ############################################# Unofficial K12LTSP HOWTOz & Extraz Site (http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net) ############################################# -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Mar 1 21:46:11 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 15:46:11 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Project MueKow In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <005601c51ea8$15649720$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > The problem is, 'debootstrap' doesn't exist on Fedora. So > you can't run that command on a fedora machine to build a > debian client tree. > > And installing a PPC client tree on an x86 server is going to > be tricky, even if the distros are the same. The problem > there is that we can't run the Pre-install and Post-install > scripts in the PPC packages, because they likely try to > execute PPC binaries, and that won't fly on an x86 server. > So, the trick there is unpack a big ole tarball into the > client tree directory. Then, boot the PPC client, and run > any additional installation commands that might be necessary. I suppose if one really wanted to do such a thing another more task intensive approach could be to perform a install on another machine, build the ltsp tree in whatever directory I wanted, then move that directory to my main server? That would be a way to take care of us odd ducks that wanted to install multiple flavors. A thought on the booting the PPC client to install additional packages. When I run a PPC client from a i386 server I get a identical desktop of that on my i386 clients (if my base is Fedora then PPC shows Fedora). When I run a i386 client from a PPC server I get an identical desktop as that of my PPC clients (if my base is YDL then the i386 clients show YDL). So I wonder would the PPC client from a i386 server really be able to execute PPC binaries and vice versa? I don't quite understand why this is but it seems like it would be a problem, unless of course project MueKow changes things enough that this wouldn't be the case. It is handy though at this point that I can install a single package and it shows up in both architectures, I imagine is could get messy maintaining separate apps for each installed distro. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From les at futuresource.com Tue Mar 1 21:46:41 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 15:46:41 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Project MueKow In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1109713601.28447.125.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-03-01 at 15:12, Jim McQuillan wrote: > > I must comment...so who came up with the name? > > It was a bit of a bad joke between Scott Balneaves and myself. We were > throwing names around, and we talked about Longhorn, and that led to > cows, and pretty soon, Moo Cow. Then, we went with the goofy spelling, > to add a bit more mistique to it. It might be a good reason to revive the ancient collection of ascii-art cows. There's a copy here http://userpages.umbc.edu/~dschmi1/text/cow-list.txt (note that you might need to censor a few...). -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From gj.kramer at planet.nl Tue Mar 1 22:04:14 2005 From: gj.kramer at planet.nl (Gustav J Kramer) Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 17:04:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] old laptops as thin clients In-Reply-To: <20050301175737.22718.qmail@web41623.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050301175737.22718.qmail@web41623.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4224E6DE.6090309@planet.nl> Rob Owens wrote: > I'm thinking about getting one or two old laptops from > ebay to use as thin clients. I don't know much about > laptops, so are there any gotchas that I have to watch > out for as far as getting one that will work? > > I know I need an ethernet port and either a floppy, > hd, or cdrom (for loading the bootrom), but is there > anything else? A pentium should do it, right? Any > weird, incompatible hardware to watch out for? > > Thanks > > -Rob > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > I have had good success with the ThinkPad 760ED which has a P133 processor. The only problem I had was with sound. (It uses a proprietary chipset which emulates a soundblaster, once the DOS drivers are loaded). On some laptops I have had problems with the video card detection, which, I assume, could be fixed by specifiying a server in lts.conf - gustav From bcarter at jchs.com Tue Mar 1 22:16:22 2005 From: bcarter at jchs.com (Burt Carter) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 17:16:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: mouting netware home directories Message-ID: <200503011716.AA1368391912@mail.jchs.com> Thanks for the info Gavin, I will give it a try tommorrow. If I am still having trouble I may attempt to contact you via msn messengar. Thanks, Burt Carter ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Gavin Spurgeon" Reply-To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 21:44:01 -0000 >Hi Burt & List.. > >from the ncpmount man pages:- > > -A dns name (mount option ipserver=dns name) > When you are mounting volumes from NetWare 5 server over UDP, you > must specify dns name of server here and logical server name in -S > (or in server=). This name is used to switch ncpmount into UDP mode > and to specify server to connect. Currently, DNS is only supported > IP name resolution protocol. There is currently no support for SLP. > >Best Regards > > >Gavin Spurgeon >Assistant Systems Administrator >gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk >http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk >Tel: 01322 620400 >DDI: 01322 620501 >IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 > >############################################# > > Unofficial K12LTSP HOWTOz & Extraz Site > (http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net) > > ############################################# > > > > ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.jchs.com This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain legally privileged and confidential information intended solely for the use of the addressee. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by telephone (478-982-6000) or by electronic mail, and delete this message and all copies and backups thereof. Thank You. From mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us Tue Mar 1 22:25:23 2005 From: mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us (mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 17:25:23 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] SELinux postfix/squirrelmail problem In-Reply-To: <1109713601.28447.125.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <1109713601.28447.125.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1319.24.2.210.202.1109715923.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> I've been building an email server using K12LTSP 4.2 CD's with updates. It's based on postfix, dovecot, and squirrelmail. I've run into an SELinux issue related to squirrelmail running with postfix. The sending of mail is not working. The problem was recently documented in https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-selinux-list/2005-February/msg00181.html and there is a solution, I think. As excerpted from the above message "For the benefit of those that follow, could you confirm the steps necessary to work around this problem are : Obtain selinux-policy-targeted-1.17.30-2.84 from ftp://people.redhat.com/dwalsh/SELinux/FC3 rpm -Uvh selinux-policy-targeted-1.17.30-2.84 restorecon -R -v /var/lib/squirrelmail /usr/sbin/sendmail.postfix /var/spool /var/log load_policy /etc/selinux/targeted/policy/policy.18" Can anyone give me some advice? Should I wait for the 2.84 targeted policy to show up when I do a yum update? Will I mess up future yum updates if I download 2.84 and install as above? Mark Orenstein East Granby, CT School System From les at futuresource.com Tue Mar 1 22:29:40 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 16:29:40 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Project MueKow In-Reply-To: References: <1109712447.28447.122.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1109716180.28447.165.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-03-01 at 15:38, Jim McQuillan wrote: > A huge number of LTSP users are deploying with 486's, Pentium-I's and > Pentium-II's, with 32mb (or less). Trying to use the servers optimized > binaries just wouldn't work in that case. and at this point, we're just > not interested in having to maintain 2 different ways of doing this. 1 > for same-arch clients, and a separate method for different-arch clients. > and when I talk about diff-arch here, i'm referring to the difference > between i386 and i686. (Lots of i386 clients running from i686 > servers). OK, server disk space is cheap enough that it probably isn't worth a lot of trouble to save space by making the NFS-export the same as the server uses. However, just based on hardware that has been manufactured and is now obsolete and going off-lease, I'd guess that there is an excellent chance that anyone building a new ltsp system today (and for a long time going forward) would end up with an all-686 system). Thus I'm not sure it makes sense to double the work needed to maintain a same-arch system just to keep it symmetrical with multi-arch. However, being able to push the server binaries into the client image with a script instead of having to run another update from a client would take care of this objection (and I think the stateless project does something like that). > Once we get past our experiment, we certainly could decide to open it up > to use the servers actual binaries for clients that can support it. But, > for now, we really need to keep the pre-i686 clients in mind. Of course, but the mechanism for any arch that doesn't match the server should permit this for those who need to do that extra work - and this should allow the exported image to live somewhere other than the ltsp server. You should be able to have one good file server holding home directories and multi-arch system exports for any number of ltsp servers and thin/fat clients. In this scenario it would be easy to also network-boot the ltsp servers. > You've got some other great ideas too, but I think we've got to take > this one step at a time, and make sure we are at least as good as the > current LTSP. Then, once we've accomplished that, we'll see where we go > next. I'm not sure there is a one-step-at-a-time way to get from the current LTSP to one that permits arbitrary mixtures of thin/fat/in-between clients which seem to make sense according to hardware logistics. Making the stateless or knoppix network boot mechanisms accommodate starting with 'X -query server' for low-powered boxes looks like it should be easier. The reason I'm making this argument now is to help avoid the '2 different ways' problem you mention above, but for fat vs. thin clients when we know that available clients are getting fatter. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From robark at gmail.com Tue Mar 1 22:40:42 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 14:40:42 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Project MueKow In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 16:12:31 -0500 (EST), Jim McQuillan wrote: > It was a bit of a bad joke between Scott Balneaves and myself. We were > throwing names around, and we talked about Longhorn, and that led to > cows, and pretty soon, Moo Cow. Then, we went with the goofy spelling, > to add a bit more mistique to it. > > Jim. > Does this mean Moodle will be integrated? Moodle and MueKow MOOving Computing in Education. Two projects that were MAID for each other. I couldn't help MILKING that one. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From ascensiontech at gmail.com Tue Mar 1 22:48:05 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Ascension Tech) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 17:48:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] old laptops In-Reply-To: <1109674081.15024.1.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1109674081.15024.1.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <9bd317560503011448643729dc@mail.gmail.com> Hey Sudev, Thanks for writing back. What part of the documentation do you mean? I only see a part that says that pcmcia booting isn't possible. http://k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Technical%3ABooting%3APCMCIAClients Peace, Peter On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 16:18:02 +0530, Sudev Barar wrote: > On Tue, 2005-03-01 at 14:02, Jeff Zidek wrote: > > Do they have cdroms? One way would be to download the pxes iso and make > > bootable cdroms. Then just have the click on the icon to boot from a LTSP > > server. Why not download the iso and try it out. Jeff Zidek > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On > > Behalf Of Ascension Tech > > Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 8:21 PM > > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > > Subject: [K12OSN] old laptops > > > > > > I'm getting a lot of old laptops lately with no ethernet. Can anyone > > recommend a pcmcia ethernet card that boots into k12ltsp with pxe, > > etherboot or a pxes cd? I tried a D-Link DFE-690txd because it's > > based on the Realtek, but no joy. > > Try wireless package for booting off PCMCIA card ethernet. Howto on the > LTSP documentation pages. Works with 3Com cards and no reason why it > should not with others. AFAIK this is independent of type of card > (chipset) > -- > Sudev Barar > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jam at mcquil.com Tue Mar 1 23:38:43 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 18:38:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Project MueKow In-Reply-To: <1109716180.28447.165.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <1109712447.28447.122.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1109716180.28447.165.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 1 Mar 2005, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Tue, 2005-03-01 at 15:38, Jim McQuillan wrote: > > > A huge number of LTSP users are deploying with 486's, Pentium-I's and > > Pentium-II's, with 32mb (or less). Trying to use the servers optimized > > binaries just wouldn't work in that case. and at this point, we're just > > not interested in having to maintain 2 different ways of doing this. 1 > > for same-arch clients, and a separate method for different-arch clients. > > and when I talk about diff-arch here, i'm referring to the difference > > between i386 and i686. (Lots of i386 clients running from i686 > > servers). > > OK, server disk space is cheap enough that it probably isn't worth a lot > of trouble to save space by making the NFS-export the same as the server > uses. However, just based on hardware that has been manufactured and > is now obsolete and going off-lease, I'd guess that there is an > excellent chance that anyone building a new ltsp system today (and for > a long time going forward) would end up with an all-686 system). Thus Maybe in your world, everybody has P3 and P4 workstations, but ask the 80,000 students in So.Africa who are using LTSP, or the 600 schools in Peru that are setting up k12ltsp, or the projected 6,000 Telecentros locations in Brazil, or even look at the LTSP SuccessStories wiki entry at wiki.ltsp.org, and you'll see that old 486's, pentium-I's and II's are still VERY popular for deploying as thin clients. Almost every day I get reports of people deploying LTSP in areas where their only client hardware is old donated equipment, and it's NOT i686 stuff. I'm just not willing to abandon those folks. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org From sudev at m4linux.com Wed Mar 2 00:27:13 2005 From: sudev at m4linux.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 05:57:13 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] old laptops In-Reply-To: <9bd317560503011448643729dc@mail.gmail.com> References: <1109674081.15024.1.camel@server.ltsp> <9bd317560503011448643729dc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1109723233.3370.1.camel@roop.ltsp> On Tue, 2005-03-01 at 17:48 -0500, Ascension Tech wrote: > Hey Sudev, > Thanks for writing back. What part of the documentation do you mean? > I only see a part that says that pcmcia booting isn't possible. > > http://k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Technical%3ABooting%3APCMCIAClients Look at contrib area in www.ltsp.org -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From lee at renarts.org Wed Mar 2 00:45:24 2005 From: lee at renarts.org (Lee Myrick) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 16:45:24 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Project MueKow In-Reply-To: References: <1109712447.28447.122.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1109716180.28447.165.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: On Mar 1, 2005, at 3:38 PM, Jim McQuillan wrote: > > > On Tue, 1 Mar 2005, Les Mikesell wrote: > >> On Tue, 2005-03-01 at 15:38, Jim McQuillan wrote: >> >>> A huge number of LTSP users are deploying with 486's, Pentium-I's and >>> Pentium-II's, with 32mb (or less). Trying to use the servers >>> optimized >>> binaries just wouldn't work in that case. and at this point, we're >>> just >>> not interested in having to maintain 2 different ways of doing this. >>> 1 >>> for same-arch clients, and a separate method for different-arch >>> clients. >>> and when I talk about diff-arch here, i'm referring to the difference >>> between i386 and i686. (Lots of i386 clients running from i686 >>> servers). >> >> OK, server disk space is cheap enough that it probably isn't worth a >> lot >> of trouble to save space by making the NFS-export the same as the >> server >> uses. However, just based on hardware that has been manufactured and >> is now obsolete and going off-lease, I'd guess that there is an >> excellent chance that anyone building a new ltsp system today (and for >> a long time going forward) would end up with an all-686 system). Thus > > Maybe in your world, everybody has P3 and P4 workstations, but ask the > 80,000 students in So.Africa who are using LTSP, or the 600 schools in > Peru that are setting up k12ltsp, or the projected 6,000 Telecentros > locations in Brazil, or even look at the LTSP SuccessStories wiki entry > at wiki.ltsp.org, and you'll see that old 486's, pentium-I's and II's > are still VERY popular for deploying as thin clients. > > Almost every day I get reports of people deploying LTSP in areas where > their only client hardware is old donated equipment, and it's NOT i686 > stuff. > > I'm just not willing to abandon those folks. > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org Amen to that, Jim. I just finished setting up my first k12ltsp network and we're using a mix of PII's and PIII's, all donated--and we're in the Los Angeles area. Not to make comparisons, but there's a lot of money in the So. Cal area compared to some places, just not money that makes it way to schools. A lot of what makes it way to schools is still in the PII (and even PI) range. Lee Myrick lee at renarts.org http://www.renarts.org From robark at gmail.com Wed Mar 2 00:52:25 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 16:52:25 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Project MueKow In-Reply-To: References: <1109712447.28447.122.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1109716180.28447.165.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 16:45:24 -0800, Lee Myrick wrote: > > Amen to that, Jim. I just finished setting up my first k12ltsp network > and we're using a mix of PII's and PIII's, all donated--and we're in > the Los Angeles area. Not to make comparisons, but there's a lot of > money in the So. Cal area compared to some places, just not money that > makes it way to schools. A lot of what makes it way to schools is still > in the PII (and even PI) range. > I too agree with Jim. But just for clarification PII's are 686's I believe. PI's are 586. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From jam at mcquil.com Wed Mar 2 01:30:53 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 20:30:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Project MueKow In-Reply-To: References: <1109712447.28447.122.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1109716180.28447.165.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 1 Mar 2005, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 16:45:24 -0800, Lee Myrick wrote: > > > > > Amen to that, Jim. I just finished setting up my first k12ltsp network > > and we're using a mix of PII's and PIII's, all donated--and we're in > > the Los Angeles area. Not to make comparisons, but there's a lot of > > money in the So. Cal area compared to some places, just not money that > > makes it way to schools. A lot of what makes it way to schools is still > > in the PII (and even PI) range. > > > > I too agree with Jim. But just for clarification PII's are 686's I > believe. PI's are 586. yeah, I think you are right. I stand corrected. Doesn't change where I stand tho :) Jim. > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From drloomis at cox-internet.com Wed Mar 2 02:11:02 2005 From: drloomis at cox-internet.com (Dr. Daniel Loomis) Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 20:11:02 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] XKB and sound problems with 4.2 Message-ID: <1109729461.3127.14.camel@harpo.curmudgeon.not> I just upgraded our 3.1.2 to 4.2.0 and mostly everything is ok, except for the following: 1. Error activating XKB configuration Clients get this message in a small window during login. I understand this is a known bug. I tried adding the following symlinks ln -s /etc/X11/xkb/rules/xfree86 /etc/X11/xkb/rules/xorg ln -s /etc/X11/xkb/rules/xfree86.lst /etc/X11/xkb/rules/xorg.lst as per recommendations of RedHat, but still get errors. I even made the same symlinks in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb/rules and in the comparable locales under /opt/ltsp/i386. 2. Sound no longer works. Before I had sound with everything using nasd. I tried nasd and esd, added the /tmp/.esd/socket and still no sound. Not just in flash, but in Tuxpaint, Tuxtype, etal. Neither of the above are world shakers in our Library setup. Still, I like to get things working correctly . . . something about being anal rententive . . . My search of the archives failed to bring up any fixes. Did I somehow miss a posting that addresses these problems? Dan From tom.hoffman at gmail.com Wed Mar 2 02:15:02 2005 From: tom.hoffman at gmail.com (Tom Hoffman) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 21:15:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] wild speculation on K12LTSP's future In-Reply-To: References: <7b89d7f0c0.7f0c07b89d@k12.hi.us> Message-ID: <92de6c8805030118151deb2a7c@mail.gmail.com> Whoa, this whole conversation slipped right under my radar! On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:35:39 -0800 (PST), Eric Harrison wrote: > Hmmm, I can even come up with a scenario that is not too much of a > fantasy. Let's say that Ubuntu adds LTSP, the education apps, etc > that makes K12LTSP unique. All of these things are on the Ubuntu > TODO list. Next, Skolelinux bases a new version on Ubuntu rather than > Debian. K12LTSP & Skolelinux would be effectively merged... This seems pretty likely to me. --Tom From les at futuresource.com Wed Mar 2 03:33:59 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 21:33:59 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Project MueKow In-Reply-To: References: <1109712447.28447.122.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1109716180.28447.165.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1109734439.28447.223.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-03-01 at 17:38, Jim McQuillan wrote: > Maybe in your world, everybody has P3 and P4 workstations, but ask the > 80,000 students in So.Africa who are using LTSP, or the 600 schools in > Peru that are setting up k12ltsp, or the projected 6,000 Telecentros > locations in Brazil, or even look at the LTSP SuccessStories wiki entry > at wiki.ltsp.org, and you'll see that old 486's, pentium-I's and II's > are still VERY popular for deploying as thin clients. > > Almost every day I get reports of people deploying LTSP in areas where > their only client hardware is old donated equipment, and it's NOT i686 > stuff. > > I'm just not willing to abandon those folks. I'm not suggesting that you abandon anyone. I'm asking you to consider making them a subset of an install that also permits fat clients because it isn't any harder - just a matter of what programs exist in the NFS-mounted directories and how you choose to execute them at startup. Having all of KDE available on the knoppix CD doesn't make it any worse as a thin client if you start it with 'knoppix 2' at the boot prompt and start X with 'X -query server'. The same applies to having a full system available under the NFS mount. If you want to only support the 386 arch yourself so one mount point handles all of the x86 family, that's reasonable as long as the tools are around to set up the others. Someone would have to measure performance to see if it makes much difference for the rest of the x86's, but you need them for the other CPU types anyway. I'm partly basing my hardware view on the ease of finding used PII/III boxes from recyclers in the $80-99 range, but I'll bet many of the same people who are using 486/P1's would like to squeeze all the performance possible out of the servers they have to buy, and they probably have at least some faster boxes wasting cycles as thin clients - or will have them in the near future. If the NFS mounts contain a mostly-complete distribution (and the price is right for those...), it becomes a run-time option for how little or much to run on the client with no change needed to keep the current thin behavior. There is more work involved to make local apps/local desktop work seamlessly, but with the right infrastructure, those can be added a piece at a time to fill the current gap between thin/fat clients. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jam at mcquil.com Wed Mar 2 04:01:33 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 23:01:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Project MueKow In-Reply-To: <1109734439.28447.223.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <1109712447.28447.122.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1109716180.28447.165.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1109734439.28447.223.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: Les, At first, it felt like we were arguing about this, but as we go through this, it's clear to me that we are exactly on the same page. The beauty of using the distro pkg mgmt tools is that we can easily load up a full system into the LTSP tree. If it's Debian, a simple 'apt-get install gnome', or 'apt-get install openoffice.org' in a chrooted environment is all you'd need to do, to get the packages that you want. In fact, you should be able to run 'tasksel', and choose 'desktop', 'web server', 'development' or whatever. People have been asking me for quite a while about running OOo locally, and i've always recommended against it. Now, we should be able to easily try it, and see if my theory about OOo being a lousy local app is correct. In fact, i'd love to have somebody prove that theory wrong. We'll need to develop the app-launching glue, to run some stuff locally, and some stuff remotely, but we need that anyway. Jim. On Tue, 1 Mar 2005, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Tue, 2005-03-01 at 17:38, Jim McQuillan wrote: > > > Maybe in your world, everybody has P3 and P4 workstations, but ask the > > 80,000 students in So.Africa who are using LTSP, or the 600 schools in > > Peru that are setting up k12ltsp, or the projected 6,000 Telecentros > > locations in Brazil, or even look at the LTSP SuccessStories wiki entry > > at wiki.ltsp.org, and you'll see that old 486's, pentium-I's and II's > > are still VERY popular for deploying as thin clients. > > > > Almost every day I get reports of people deploying LTSP in areas where > > their only client hardware is old donated equipment, and it's NOT i686 > > stuff. > > > > I'm just not willing to abandon those folks. > > I'm not suggesting that you abandon anyone. I'm asking you to consider > making them a subset of an install that also permits fat clients because > it isn't any harder - just a matter of what programs exist in the > NFS-mounted directories and how you choose to execute them at startup. > Having all of KDE available on the knoppix CD doesn't make it any > worse as a thin client if you start it with 'knoppix 2' at the boot > prompt and start X with 'X -query server'. The same applies to having > a full system available under the NFS mount. If you want to only > support the 386 arch yourself so one mount point handles all of the > x86 family, that's reasonable as long as the tools are around to > set up the others. Someone would have to measure performance to see > if it makes much difference for the rest of the x86's, but you need > them for the other CPU types anyway. > > I'm partly basing my hardware view on the ease of finding used PII/III > boxes from recyclers in the $80-99 range, but I'll bet many of the same > people who are using 486/P1's would like to squeeze all the performance > possible out of the servers they have to buy, and they probably have at > least some faster boxes wasting cycles as thin clients - or will have > them in the near future. If the NFS mounts contain a mostly-complete > distribution (and the price is right for those...), it becomes a > run-time option for how little or much to run on the client with no > change needed to keep the current thin behavior. There is more work > involved to make local apps/local desktop work seamlessly, but with > the right infrastructure, those can be added a piece at a time to > fill the current gap between thin/fat clients. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From robark at gmail.com Wed Mar 2 04:04:17 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 20:04:17 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Project MueKow In-Reply-To: References: <1109712447.28447.122.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1109716180.28447.165.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 20:30:53 -0500 (EST), Jim McQuillan wrote: > > I too agree with Jim. But just for clarification PII's are 686's I > > believe. PI's are 586. > > yeah, I think you are right. I stand corrected. Doesn't change where > I stand tho :) > > Jim. This brings up an interesting discussion that has come up in the Slackware community. Pat Vokerding the developer of Slackware compiles everything to work on a 486 but optimizes it for 686's. If I can convey this properly he uses the -march=i486 and -mcpu=i686 compile settings. So it runs on a 486 but also is optimized if you have a 686. Best of both worlds. Slackware on old systems is fast. It uses simple init scripts like BSD. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From jam at mcquil.com Wed Mar 2 04:06:29 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 23:06:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Project MueKow In-Reply-To: References: <1109712447.28447.122.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1109716180.28447.165.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 1 Mar 2005, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 20:30:53 -0500 (EST), Jim McQuillan wrote: > > > I too agree with Jim. But just for clarification PII's are 686's I > > > believe. PI's are 586. > > > > yeah, I think you are right. I stand corrected. Doesn't change where > > I stand tho :) > > > > Jim. > > This brings up an interesting discussion that has come up in the > Slackware community. Pat Vokerding the developer of Slackware compiles > everything to work on a 486 but optimizes it for 686's. If I can > convey this properly he uses the -march=i486 and -mcpu=i686 compile > settings. So it runs on a 486 but also is optimized if you have a 686. > Best of both worlds. Slackware on old systems is fast. It uses simple > init scripts like BSD. I just heard this from somebody else in the last week or so. In fact, I think the Ubuntu guys build that way too. It makes sense to me. Jim. From les at futuresource.com Wed Mar 2 05:28:09 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 23:28:09 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Project MueKow In-Reply-To: References: <1109712447.28447.122.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1109716180.28447.165.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1109734439.28447.223.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1109741289.28447.257.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-03-01 at 22:01, Jim McQuillan wrote: > Les, > > At first, it felt like we were arguing about this, but as we go through > this, it's clear to me that we are exactly on the same page. If I didn't make it clear at first, what I'd like to see is the LTSP startup grafted in as an option in what could also be a fat-client network boot as mostly already done in the fedora stateless project and knoppix. Given network authentication and home dirs for the fat clients, that covers the extremes for slow/fast clients and provides most of what you need to run local apps on the thin clients. > We'll need to develop the app-launching glue, to run some stuff > locally, and some stuff remotely, but we need that anyway. There is really a lot of glue missing to easily run apps on arbitrary servers. You should be able to cover local apps with remote desktop, server apps with local desktop, or remote desktop with different remote app server in some general way but that can be added later. The tricky part is that you need to know something about the client capacity/load to know if it would be better to run an app locally or on a server. My guess is that OOo would be better locally on a P500/256M and up box than shared with 30 others on a dual 3Ghz xeon with 4 gigs ram although startup might be slower. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se Wed Mar 2 06:57:04 2005 From: daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se (Daniel Hedblom) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 07:57:04 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] novell authentication In-Reply-To: <002601c51e8c$20ba9280$21690a0a@TechOffice> References: <002601c51e8c$20ba9280$21690a0a@TechOffice> Message-ID: <1109746624.422563c06a03b@rix01.dyndns.org> Strange fact? pam_ncp uses TCP port 524 and ncpmount uses UDP port 524 to do initial Connect. Go figure... Check once again if you have both UDP and TCP open to the server. Citerar Burt Carter : > I can ping the server and have tried ncpmount with both the ip address > and the servername in the ncpmount line. I have also created a hosts > entry for the server on the linux box. I compiled the source myself and > did not do set any configuration options, using: > /configure > My server accepts both IP and IPX requests, and there is a firewall, but > it allows everything out and allows established or related communication > back in. > > /var/log/secure shows authentication is working and communication with > the server appears to be working. I made the section that shows the > attempt at mounting bold. > > Here is the output from /var/log/secure > > Mar 1 13:55:28 RHN pam_ncp_auth[4791]: trying to login as > student.ou=hsms.o=boe > > Mar 1 13:55:28 RHN pam_ncp_auth[4791]: User student.ou=hsms.o=boe was > successfu > lly authorized by NDS server 10.10.100.17 on tree JCBOE > Mar 1 13:55:28 RHN pam_ncp_auth[4791]: Auth OK > Mar 1 13:55:28 RHN pam_ncp_auth[4791]: User has DN student.HSMS.BOE > Mar 1 13:55:28 RHN pam_ncp_auth[4791]: start of NW home dir got > HSMS-HOME_USER. > HSMS.BOE \USER\HS\STUDENT\student > Mar 1 13:55:28 RHN pam_ncp_auth[4791]: got HSMS-HOME USER > Mar 1 13:55:28 RHN pam_ncp_auth[4791]: end of NW home dir > Mar 1 13:55:28 RHN pam_ncp_auth[4791]: start of NW message server got > HSMS-APPS > HSMS.BOE > Mar 1 13:55:28 RHN pam_ncp_auth[4791]: end of NW message server GOT > [HSMS-APPS] > > Mar 1 13:55:28 RHN pam_ncp_auth[4791]: using location attribute > Mar 1 13:55:28 RHN pam_ncp_auth[4791]: > NWCCGetConnInfo(NWCC_INFO_TREE_NAME) ret > urned JCBOE > Mar 1 13:55:28 RHN pam_ncp_auth[4791]: end of retrieve nds user info > code: Succ > ess > Mar 1 13:55:28 RHN pam_ncp_auth[4791]: FOUND ZF 20800101 in NDS > Mar 1 13:55:28 RHN pam_ncp_auth[4791]: APPLYING ZF 0 OFF > Mar 1 13:55:28 RHN pam_ncp_auth[4791]: USING ZF 20800101 > Mar 1 13:55:28 RHN pam_ncp_auth[4791]: Remote host and tty port are not > checked > > Mar 1 13:55:28 RHN pam_ncp_auth[4791]: NW_UPDATE_USER: 4294967295 > 4294967295 (n > ull) (null) (null) > Mar 1 13:55:28 RHN pam_ncp_auth[4791]: NW_UPDATE_USER:updating 2001 > 4294967295 > (null) (null) (null) > Mar 1 13:55:28 RHN pam_ncp_auth[4791]: return value of update_user_info > 0 for > student > Mar 1 13:55:28 RHN pam_ncp_auth[4791]: start of nw_auto_mount_home > Mar 1 13:55:28 RHN pam_ncp_auth[4791]: running as student > "/usr/local/bin/ncpmo > > unt -U .student.HSMS.BOE -S HSMS-HOME -A HSMS-HOME -V > USER:/USER/HS/STUDENT/STUD > ENT -o symlinks,exec -u 2001 -c 2001 -d 0700 /mnt/ncp/student/" > Mar 1 13:55:28 RHN pam_ncp_auth[4791]: /usr/local/bin/ncpmount finished > with er > ror 51 > Mar 1 13:55:28 RHN pam_ncp_auth[4791]: user .student.HSMS.BOE had > trouble mount > ing HSMS-HOME/USER on /mnt/ncp/student/ > Mar 1 13:55:28 RHN pam_ncp_auth[4791]: saving user_info > Mar 1 13:55:28 RHN pam_ncp_auth[4791]: final PAM retval 0 > Mar 1 13:55:28 RHN pam_ncp_auth[4791]: APPLYING ZF 20800101 > Mar 1 13:55:28 RHN pam_ncp_auth[4791]: writing a new > /home/student/.nwinfos fil > e > Mar 1 13:55:28 RHN pam_ncp_auth[4791]: done writing > /home/student/.nwinfos > Mar 1 13:55:30 RHN xinetd[1951]: START: sgi_fam pid=4859 from= address> > > Any ideas? > > Thanks, > Burt Carter > > Ne auderis delere orbem rigidum meum! ('< ----------------+------------------------------- /V\ Daniel Hedblom | Nipanskolan <(_) ----------------+ Solleftea /__ /\ __~~__________________Network_Technician__](__=_`)___ From cliebow at downeast.net Wed Mar 2 12:03:16 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 12:03:16 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Project MueKow Message-ID: <200503021101.j22B1k313968@downeast.net> Jim: Now i m confused..using ppc as a server and i386 as client you would see ydl desktop..any LOCAL apps would have to be for the architecture of the client..chuck --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From jam at mcquil.com Wed Mar 2 12:57:16 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 07:57:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Project MueKow In-Reply-To: <200503021101.j22B1k313968@downeast.net> References: <200503021101.j22B1k313968@downeast.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > Jim: Now i m confused..using ppc as a server and i386 as client you would > see ydl desktop..any LOCAL apps would have to be for the architecture of > the > client..chuck That's right. You don't seem so confused to me. Jim. > > --------------------------------------------- > This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Mar 2 13:24:44 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 08:24:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Project MueKow In-Reply-To: References: < > <1109712447.28447.122.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> < > < > <1109716180.28447.165.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> < > < > <1109734439.28447.223.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: Just making sure I understand what you mean by locally....you mean pull the app down the pipe and use the terminals resources to run the app? "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, March 01, 2005 at 11:01 PM +0000 wrote: >People have been asking me for quite a while about running OOo locally, >and i've always recommended against it. Now, we should be able to >easily try it, and see if my theory about OOo being a lousy local app is >correct. In fact, i'd love to have somebody prove that theory wrong. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From mailinglists-after-041101_reply-not-possible at hpc.dk Wed Mar 2 13:24:48 2005 From: mailinglists-after-041101_reply-not-possible at hpc.dk (Henning Wangerin) Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 14:24:48 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Logging of bandwidth pr user or pr workstation Message-ID: <1109769887.3931.54.camel@server.ltsp> Hi! I'm working on a project work multible orgs is going to use thin clients form a common shared terminal-server. Their connection to the internet is a shared common internet connection, that will be charged based on usage. Is there a way to log the internet bandwidth based on either user-id and/or then used client? -- Henning Wangerin From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Mar 2 13:34:19 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 08:34:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Project MueKow In-Reply-To: References: < > <1109712447.28447.122.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> < > < > <1109716180.28447.165.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> < > < > <1109734439.28447.223.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <4225C0DB.6030603@inlandlakes.org> David Trask wrote: > Just making sure I understand what you mean by locally....you mean pull > the app down the pipe and use the terminals resources to run the app? If by "pull down the pipe" you mean launching via an nfs mounted /usr/bin directory, then I think yes is the answer. We're still talking diskless workstations (and OMG correct me if I'm wrong on that one...) -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From jam at mcquil.com Wed Mar 2 13:39:29 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 08:39:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Project MueKow In-Reply-To: References: < > <1109712447.28447.122.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> < > < > <1109716180.28447.165.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> < > < > <1109734439.28447.223.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 2 Mar 2005, David Trask wrote: > Just making sure I understand what you mean by locally....you mean pull > the app down the pipe and use the terminals resources to run the app? Yep, that's exactly right. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Tuesday, March 01, 2005 at 11:01 PM +0000 wrote: > >People have been asking me for quite a while about running OOo locally, > >and i've always recommended against it. Now, we should be able to > >easily try it, and see if my theory about OOo being a lousy local app is > >correct. In fact, i'd love to have somebody prove that theory wrong. > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From sudev at m4linux.com Wed Mar 2 13:55:49 2005 From: sudev at m4linux.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 19:25:49 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Logging of bandwidth pr user or pr workstation In-Reply-To: <1109769887.3931.54.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1109769887.3931.54.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <1109771749.6274.13.camel@roop.ltsp> On Wed, 2005-03-02 at 14:24 +0100, Henning Wangerin wrote: > I'm working on a project work multible orgs is going to use thin clients > form a common shared terminal-server. > > Their connection to the internet is a shared common internet connection, > that will be charged based on usage. > > Is there a way to log the internet bandwidth based on either user-id > and/or then used client? Build a gateway box between terminal server and common connection: terminals --- LTSP server ---- gatewaybox ---- Internet Then let squid do proxy and logging at the gateway box...?? Guru's out there may come up with better solution but to my limited reading and knowledge while getting the LTSP server do proxy is possible it is easily bypassed and internet can be assessed without even setting proxy in your browser. -- Sudev Barar From bcarter at jchs.com Wed Mar 2 14:37:39 2005 From: bcarter at jchs.com (Burt Carter) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 09:37:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] novell authentication Message-ID: <001201c51f35$629d2240$21690a0a@TechOffice> I have followed the advice of the posts and am now getting this error message. I attempted ncpmount as you stated on the listserv, but now I recieve a error "no such device in mount(2)" Any ideas? Burt Carter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hick518 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 2 14:55:34 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 06:55:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] k12osn & firewalling In-Reply-To: <1109344670.5449.6.camel@ntbcld.barajo.com> Message-ID: <20050302145534.39957.qmail@web41613.mail.yahoo.com> I'll double-check my shorewall rules file and let you know if this is right. I can't remember off the top of my head. I'll try to get back to you tonight. -Rob --- Claudio Catanzaro wrote: > Ok, then I must open: > > TFTP -> UDP 69, source = LAN > X/XDMCP -> UDP 177, source = Firewall > TCP 6000:6009, source = Firewall > > that's enough to make it work? and sources are > right? > > Thankyou > > Claudio > > >From: Rob Owens > > > >Shorewall's documentation site has all the info you > >need. I use shorewall on my ltsp system and this > set > >me straight: http://www.shorewall.net/ports.htm > > > >-Rob > > > >--- Claudio Catanzaro > wrote: > > > >> I have installed a shorewall firewall in my > K12ltsp > >> server. > >> > >> Obviusly, It makes an excelent work, and blocks > any > >> dhcp, tftp, > >> Xsession and more, making impossible to use ltsp > >> terminals. > >> > >> What ports must I left open to let ltsp work?, > and > >> can I relate that > >> ports to some Ip addresses? > >> > >> Thankyou in advance > >> > >> -- > >> Claudio Catanzaro > >> claudio at rednuting.com > >> > >> "I want to know God's thoughts...the rest are > >> details." - Albert > >> Einstein > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Mar 2 15:17:08 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 09:17:08 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Project MueKow In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001701c51f3a$e67fb320$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > > Jim: Now i m confused..using ppc as a server and i386 as client you > > would see ydl desktop..any LOCAL apps would have to be for the > > architecture of the client..chuck > > That's right. You don't seem so confused to me. > > Jim. I am probably the one confusing things. I guess I wasn't quite grasping the concept that when booting the different architecture clients you would be running things as local apps. I figured it would just be a remote X session like in the past. Still sounds a little tricky to me but thanks for considering different archs as a priority and must have. It will really make a difference to support ppc platforms in the area I am at. If it weren't for this support I wouldn't be very successful in deployment in our area. Thanks for the extra work. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jam at mcquil.com Wed Mar 2 15:19:37 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 10:19:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Project MueKow In-Reply-To: <001701c51f3a$e67fb320$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001701c51f3a$e67fb320$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 2 Mar 2005, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > > Jim: Now i m confused..using ppc as a server and i386 as client you > > > would see ydl desktop..any LOCAL apps would have to be for the > > > architecture of the client..chuck > > > > That's right. You don't seem so confused to me. > > > > Jim. > > I am probably the one confusing things. I guess I wasn't quite grasping > the concept that when booting the different architecture clients you > would be running things as local apps. I figured it would just be a > remote X session like in the past. The default setup will still be to run the remote X session, just like we do now. What MueKow will do for us, is help to make the installation easier, allow us to get LTSP integrated into the distributions, and make local apps easier than they are now. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org > > Still sounds a little tricky to me but thanks for considering different > archs as a priority and must have. It will really make a difference to > support ppc platforms in the area I am at. If it weren't for this > support I wouldn't be very successful in deployment in our area. > > Thanks for the extra work. > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Mar 2 15:22:54 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 09:22:54 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] XKB and sound problems with 4.2 In-Reply-To: <1109729461.3127.14.camel@harpo.curmudgeon.not> Message-ID: <001b01c51f3b$b4ce2ef0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > I just upgraded our 3.1.2 to 4.2.0 and mostly everything is > ok, except for the following: > > 1. Error activating XKB configuration > > Clients get this message in a small window during login. I > understand this is a known bug. I tried adding the following symlinks > > ln -s /etc/X11/xkb/rules/xfree86 /etc/X11/xkb/rules/xorg > ln -s /etc/X11/xkb/rules/xfree86.lst /etc/X11/xkb/rules/xorg.lst > > as per recommendations of RedHat, but still get errors. I > even made the same symlinks in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb/rules > and in the comparable locales under /opt/ltsp/i386. > > 2. Sound no longer works. Before I had sound with > everything using nasd. I tried nasd and esd, added the > /tmp/.esd/socket and still no sound. Not just in flash, but > in Tuxpaint, Tuxtype, etal. > > Neither of the above are world shakers in our Library setup. > Still, I like to get things working correctly . . . something > about being anal rententive . . . > > My search of the archives failed to bring up any fixes. Did > I somehow miss a posting that addresses these problems? I have not had much luck at all with sound since versions 4.x of k12ltsp. I used to have full sound support with a LTSP term 150 and nasd in the default of Gnome. Now it is hit and miss. I get some things to work if I switch to IceWM, but still very buggy. I wish that there was some sound project that everything could be standardized on. I think some trouble is that every software developer picks a different sound platform. I have pretty much written of sound as a no go at this point. If I get it to work, great, but I am not promising anything to anyone at this point. I wish I knew more on how to troubleshoot sound in Linux and ltsp. Anyone have any good tutorials or extra info on this? -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Mar 2 15:25:41 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 09:25:41 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Project MueKow In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001c01c51f3c$1815ae20$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > The default setup will still be to run the remote X session, > just like we do now. What MueKow will do for us, is help to > make the installation easier, allow us to get LTSP integrated > into the distributions, and make local apps easier than they are now. Cool. Just let me know when there is a beta to test. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Wed Mar 2 15:56:25 2005 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 10:56:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Project MueKow In-Reply-To: <20050302145607.CE16A74265@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050302145607.CE16A74265@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1109778985.15125.15.camel@phoenix.media.local> Would using something like the alternatives system work? You wouldn't have to update the application launchers, and it would make it so that command line commands (aka to run mozilla,oowriter, etc) would launch in the appropriate place (either client or server or app server). And then you could have a root GUI that would allow you to add applications (and then specify client/server/app server where you wanted it to run and it would take care of updating all the symlinks. Henry ________________________________________________________________________ > From: Jim McQuillan > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Cc: ltsp-discuss at lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Project MueKow > Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 08:39:29 -0500 > > > > On Wed, 2 Mar 2005, David Trask wrote: > > > Just making sure I understand what you mean by locally....you mean pull > > the app down the pipe and use the terminals resources to run the app? > > Yep, that's exactly right. > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > > > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > > Tuesday, March 01, 2005 at 11:01 PM +0000 wrote: > > >People have been asking me for quite a while about running OOo locally, > > >and i've always recommended against it. Now, we should be able to > > >easily try it, and see if my theory about OOo being a lousy local app is > > >correct. In fact, i'd love to have somebody prove that theory wrong. > > > > > > David N. Trask > > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > > Vassalboro Community School > > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > > (207)923-3100 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ From hick518 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 2 17:10:31 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 09:10:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] k12osn & firewalling In-Reply-To: <1109344670.5449.6.camel@ntbcld.barajo.com> Message-ID: <20050302171031.40098.qmail@web41628.mail.yahoo.com> Claudio, I just checked and I have my settings like you say here, except that for the last one I have the source = LAN and destination = firewall. I'm not an expert, so I can't say 100% sure that this is correct, but I can say that ltsp works on my system. -Rob --- Claudio Catanzaro wrote: > Ok, then I must open: > > TFTP -> UDP 69, source = LAN > X/XDMCP -> UDP 177, source = Firewall > TCP 6000:6009, source = Firewall > > that's enough to make it work? and sources are > right? > > Thankyou > > Claudio > > >From: Rob Owens > > > >Shorewall's documentation site has all the info you > >need. I use shorewall on my ltsp system and this > set > >me straight: http://www.shorewall.net/ports.htm > > > >-Rob > > > >--- Claudio Catanzaro > wrote: > > > >> I have installed a shorewall firewall in my > K12ltsp > >> server. > >> > >> Obviusly, It makes an excelent work, and blocks > any > >> dhcp, tftp, > >> Xsession and more, making impossible to use ltsp > >> terminals. > >> > >> What ports must I left open to let ltsp work?, > and > >> can I relate that > >> ports to some Ip addresses? > >> > >> Thankyou in advance > >> > >> -- > >> Claudio Catanzaro > >> claudio at rednuting.com > >> > >> "I want to know God's thoughts...the rest are > >> details." - Albert > >> Einstein > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ From hick518 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 2 17:32:25 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 09:32:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] one more time In-Reply-To: <4223723C.3040509@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <20050302173226.92060.qmail@web41608.mail.yahoo.com> I like the ssh idea. As an alternative to Putty, you can install openssh in Cygwin if you want. -rob --- Petre Scheie wrote: > Do you want to just provide those apps--Gimp, > StarOffice, etc.--to the > Windows clients, but from a central server so you > don't have to install > them on each individual Windows client machine? Or > do you also want to > setup linux thin clients? These are not mutually > exclusive, but they're > different problems/projects (both of which should be > fun). > > Re-reading your message, it sounds like the former > is your first > priority. To run Linux X-based apps on Windows > clients you'll need to > > 1. Get the linux server to use the Windows AD for > authentication when a > client connects. Have a look at David Trask's > smbldap installer > script. There has been much discussion of it in the > past few weeks. I > think it's geared more for OpenLDAP than AD but I > don't think that > should be a show stopper. > > 2a. Install an X server on the Windows boxes. The > X-LiveCD allows you > to run the CygWin X server from a CD, and it also > has an option to > install the X server on the Windows machine (the > installer has a few > bugs regarding the icons and menu choices it's > supposed to add, but the > actual X server installs without problems). If > you're trying to get to > the point of users just clicking on an icon and > having it automatically > connect to the Linux app server and loading the > Gimp, say, you'll have > to setup encryption keys with SSH & putty, and use > those to > automatically launch the apps. I haven't done this, > but it's an > interesting problem; but it may require more effort > than step 2b below. > > OR > > 2b. Install VNC client on each Windows client, and > have the users launch > that to connect to the Linux app server. This route > doesn't provide the > click-on-icon-and-app-magically-appears aspect that > may be possible with > 2a, but it would be easier to setup. However, make > sure your Linux box > is big--that is, LOTS of memory, fast CPUs--because > now it will have to > support a whole desktop environment for each user > rather than just an > application or two. > > Anyone have any alternative suggestions? > > Petre > > Sharon Betts wrote: > > Hi Petre, > > I am grateful for all your thoughts and help. I > have answered your > > questions below. > > In short -- I want to add a linux applicaiton > server to an existing > > windows network to serve GIMP, SCRIBUS, STAR > OFFICE etc. > > > > > >>It sounds like you have several projects rolled > into one here. ;-) > >>1. Get LTSP server to use Windows server for > authentication. > >>2. Get LTSP server to mount users' homedirs that > live on Windows server. > >>3. Get LTSP server to print to same printers as > Windows server. > >>4. Get rdesktop working on LTSP server so users > can access apps on Win > >>server. > >>5. Allow Windows clients to run apps from LTSP > server (?). > > > > Sure > > > >> > >>I wasn't sure if #5 was something you had in mind > or not. > > > > Yes, to minimize the winders TS cals needed. > > > > > >>As to the > >>first four items, they're listed in order of > decreasing difficulty, but > >>probably in the order you need to get things > working in order to pull > >>this transition off. And I may be incorrect about > #1; are you running > >>Active Directory on the Windows server? > > > > Yes, running Active Directory. > > > > > >>Or are the Windows clients just > >>using local authentication (info which is then > passed to the Windows > >>server when a user connects to his/her home > directory on the Windows > >>server)? The users care about #2, getting to > their files. You care > >>about #1 because it may affect how you handle #2. > Others may have > >>tackled automatically mounting Windows shares on > the LTSP server > >>(anyone?), but I haven't. > >> > >>With #3, are the printers all connected directly > to the network (they > >>each have their own ethernet jack) or are they > connected to a computer > >>which is then connected to the network? > > > > Both. > > > > > >>In either case, defining the > >>printers on the LTSP server is fairly easy and can > be done via cups or > >>webmin. I would avoid using the print queues on > the Windows server as > >>it's unnecessary and just makes the LTSP server > dependent on the Windows > >>server. > >> > >>#4 is just a matter of installing rdesktop on the > LTSP server. Seems to > >>me someone on the list once described setting up > icons for users that > >>called rdesktop and specific apps on the Windows > server. > >> > >>So, if you can clarify #1--that is, do you want > the Windows server, > >>where you presumably have all the user IDs and PWs > stored, to handle the > >>user authentication for the LTSP server so that > you only have to > >>maintain one user store, and is the Windows server > running AD--then we > >>can try to figure out what you need to do there, > which should then > >>dovetail into #2. HTH. > > > > > > > > Yes to both of these. We are running Windows > DHCP. > > > >> > > Sharon > > MSAD#71 Director of Educational Technology > > sbetts at msad71.net http://www.msad71.net > 207-985-1100 > > "To err is human - and to blame it on a computer > is even more so." > > Robert Orben > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Wed Mar 2 17:37:16 2005 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 11:37:16 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Remote Reboot Message-ID: <4225F9CC.4020800@honeygroveisd.net> Does anyone know, offhand, a way to instruct a Win9X machine to reboot from the Linux command line? It seems our Windows clients aren't as stable as their Linux brethren. Imagine that! ;) -- C-ya, Mark ____ "Too many have dispensed with generosity in order to practice charity." -- Albert Camus From les at futuresource.com Wed Mar 2 17:44:00 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 11:44:00 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Project MueKow In-Reply-To: <4225C0DB.6030603@inlandlakes.org> References: < > <1109712447.28447.122.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> < > < > <1109716180.28447.165.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> < > < > <1109734439.28447.223.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <4225C0DB.6030603@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <1109785440.31991.10.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-03-02 at 07:34, Shawn Powers wrote: > > Just making sure I understand what you mean by locally....you mean pull > > the app down the pipe and use the terminals resources to run the app? > > If by "pull down the pipe" you mean launching via an nfs mounted > /usr/bin directory, then I think yes is the answer. > > We're still talking diskless workstations (and OMG correct me if I'm > wrong on that one...) The fedora 'stateless linux' project covers diskless fat client workstations plus various levels of automatically caching the OS onto local drives if you have them. I think it would be good if these projects were merged so the setup would be the same regardless of the resources you want to use on any particular client. (Note that I haven't actually set up one of these so there may be problems in the current implementation - it just sounds like a good idea...) -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From petre at maltzen.net Wed Mar 2 17:57:11 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 11:57:11 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Remote Reboot In-Reply-To: <4225F9CC.4020800@honeygroveisd.net> References: <4225F9CC.4020800@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <4225FE77.3050205@maltzen.net> I assume you're talking remotely rebooting a Win9X box. Win9X isn't really made for that, as it was designed as a client OS not a server. That being said, this page has a bunch of remote reboot software listed: http://www.sharewareconnection.com/titles/remote-reboot.htm Most of it is shareware, but some is freeware, and most of it seemed to be for NT/2K/XP, but you might find something for 9X. The catch is they all require having some sort of agent installed on the Win9X box; well, if the box is hung--which is why you want to reboot it, presumably--the agent probably isn't going to respond to any commands, either. I'd use the fact that it hangs to force getting rid of Win9X, and replace it with something that *can* be easily remotely rebooted, say, Linux. ;-) Petre Mark Cockrell wrote: > Does anyone know, offhand, a way to instruct a Win9X machine to reboot > from the Linux command line? It seems our Windows clients aren't as > stable as their Linux brethren. Imagine that! ;) > From jam at mcquil.com Wed Mar 2 17:59:05 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 12:59:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Project MueKow In-Reply-To: <1109785440.31991.10.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: < > <1109712447.28447.122.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> < > < > <1109716180.28447.165.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> < > < > <1109734439.28447.223.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <4225C0DB.6030603@inlandlakes.org> <1109785440.31991.10.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: The 'Stateless Linux' thing from Fedora is nothing more than an 'Idea' at this point. There's nobody booting a thin (or fat) client from it yet. I was at FUDCON1 in boston a couple weeks ago, and I sat there listening to Havoc talk about it. There's some cool ideas there, but they are a long way from having anything deliverable. Havoc's comment was: We think that about 50% of all desktops out there are really laptop computers, and we are working on a way to keep them "stateless" so that if you lose a laptop, you can easily replace it. I'm sorry, but that's just not what my experience in the desktop world is telling me. As the "stateless linux" project produces useable code, we'll see what has value in our world, and what doesn't. Then we can talk about it. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Wed, 2 Mar 2005, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Wed, 2005-03-02 at 07:34, Shawn Powers wrote: > > > > Just making sure I understand what you mean by locally....you mean pull > > > the app down the pipe and use the terminals resources to run the app? > > > > If by "pull down the pipe" you mean launching via an nfs mounted > > /usr/bin directory, then I think yes is the answer. > > > > We're still talking diskless workstations (and OMG correct me if I'm > > wrong on that one...) > > The fedora 'stateless linux' project covers diskless fat client > workstations plus various levels of automatically caching the > OS onto local drives if you have them. I think it would be good > if these projects were merged so the setup would be the same > regardless of the resources you want to use on any particular > client. (Note that I haven't actually set up one of these so there > may be problems in the current implementation - it just sounds > like a good idea...) > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Mar 2 18:45:04 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 13:45:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Project MueKow In-Reply-To: References: < > <1109712447.28447.122.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> < > < > <1109716180.28447.165.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> < > < > <1109734439.28447.223.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> < > < > Message-ID: Jim, I like that idea, because in many cases my machines have the local horsepower to do many things...in particular run Firefox and flash...that would be my biggest thing. So far that's my achilles heel on my system....since Firefox and flash-plugin eats up CPU cycles like they're going out of style. If I could shift the work to the local terminals...then I'd be a freaking hero. Everything else is fine....OO takes a while to load, but once loaded...it's fine. I feel fortunate that I was there when you and Scott first were joking about "MueKow"...from everything I'm reading...MueKow sounds like an excellent idea...and "should" (computer guys famous words) work. the concept is sound and the idea makes sense. Before we know it, LTSP could be as much a part of any distro much like Samba is now. (Don't tell Terpstra or we'll be doing another drunken chant like we did a couple weeks ago....Linux s*cks....everyone in) ;-) Let me know how I can help...remember, my strong point is documentation ;-) "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, March 02, 2005 at 8:39 AM +0000 wrote: >On Wed, 2 Mar 2005, David Trask wrote: > >> Just making sure I understand what you mean by locally....you mean pull >> the app down the pipe and use the terminals resources to run the app? > >Yep, that's exactly right. > >Jim McQuillan >jam at Ltsp.org David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed Mar 2 18:46:58 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 13:46:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Project MueKow In-Reply-To: References: < > <1109712447.28447.122.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> < > < > <1109716180.28447.165.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> < > < > <1109734439.28447.223.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> < > < > Message-ID: <42260A22.8030005@inlandlakes.org> David Trask wrote: > Let me know how I can > help...remember, my strong point is documentation ;-) Lately it seems like my strong point is the inability to read and respond to emails, and to forget sleeping due to excess work... So for right now, my part will have to be smiling, and thinking fuzzy thoughts... ;o) -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From jam at mcquil.com Wed Mar 2 19:05:25 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 14:05:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Ltsp-discuss] Re: [K12OSN] Project MueKow In-Reply-To: <6ae8bb320503021101a567a64@mail.gmail.com> References: <1109712447.28447.122.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1109716180.28447.165.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1109734439.28447.223.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <6ae8bb320503021101a567a64@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Evan, LTSP docs are already in cvs. Have been for quite some time. Anybody interested in helping out with docs should join the ltsp-translations mailing list and also check out the cvs info at the bottom of the following page: http://www.ltsp.org/cvs.html Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Wed, 2 Mar 2005, Evan Hisey wrote: > David- > Maybe we can talk Jim in to adding a CVS branch for the documents. I > also want to document this from the ground up. My biggest issue with > 4.1 has been the difficulty in finding the information I needed, and > then with the LBE having to go to Jim for things that really needed to > be document, thus taking time that he could have been getting 4.2 > ready with :). > > Evan > > > On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 13:45:04 -0500, David Trask > wrote: > > Jim, > > > > I like that idea, because in many cases my machines have the local > > horsepower to do many things...in particular run Firefox and flash...that > > would be my biggest thing. So far that's my achilles heel on my > > system....since Firefox and flash-plugin eats up CPU cycles like they're > > going out of style. If I could shift the work to the local > > terminals...then I'd be a freaking hero. Everything else is fine....OO > > takes a while to load, but once loaded...it's fine. > > > > I feel fortunate that I was there when you and Scott first were joking > > about "MueKow"...from everything I'm reading...MueKow sounds like an > > excellent idea...and "should" (computer guys famous words) work. the > > concept is sound and the idea makes sense. Before we know it, LTSP could > > be as much a part of any distro much like Samba is now. (Don't tell > > Terpstra or we'll be doing another drunken chant like we did a couple > > weeks ago....Linux s*cks....everyone in) ;-) Let me know how I can > > help...remember, my strong point is documentation ;-) > > > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > > Wednesday, March 02, 2005 at 8:39 AM +0000 wrote: > > >On Wed, 2 Mar 2005, David Trask wrote: > > > > > >> Just making sure I understand what you mean by locally....you mean pull > > >> the app down the pipe and use the terminals resources to run the app? > > > > > >Yep, that's exactly right. > > > > > >Jim McQuillan > > >jam at Ltsp.org > > > > David N. Trask > > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > > Vassalboro Community School > > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > > (207)923-3100 > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide > > Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. > > Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. > > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click > > _____________________________________________________________________ > > Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss > > For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide > Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. > Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click > _____________________________________________________________________ > Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss > For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net > From adammelancon at gmail.com Wed Mar 2 19:18:13 2005 From: adammelancon at gmail.com (Adam Melancon) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 13:18:13 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Remote Reboot In-Reply-To: <4225FE77.3050205@maltzen.net> References: <4225F9CC.4020800@honeygroveisd.net> <4225FE77.3050205@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <489287610503021118eb482db@mail.gmail.com> I found psshutdown from sysinternals.com but unfortunatly it only works for NT and above. http://www.sysinternals.com/ntw2k/freeware/psshutdown.shtml On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 11:57:11 -0600, Petre Scheie wrote: > I assume you're talking remotely rebooting a Win9X box. Win9X isn't > really made for that, as it was designed as a client OS not a server. > That being said, this page has a bunch of remote reboot software listed: > > http://www.sharewareconnection.com/titles/remote-reboot.htm > > Most of it is shareware, but some is freeware, and most of it seemed to > be for NT/2K/XP, but you might find something for 9X. The catch is they > all require having some sort of agent installed on the Win9X box; well, > if the box is hung--which is why you want to reboot it, presumably--the > agent probably isn't going to respond to any commands, either. I'd use > the fact that it hangs to force getting rid of Win9X, and replace it > with something that *can* be easily remotely rebooted, say, Linux. ;-) > > Petre > > Mark Cockrell wrote: > > Does anyone know, offhand, a way to instruct a Win9X machine to reboot > > from the Linux command line? It seems our Windows clients aren't as > > stable as their Linux brethren. Imagine that! ;) > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Adam Melancon Work: http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us Personal: http://www.melancon.org From les at futuresource.com Wed Mar 2 19:57:04 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 13:57:04 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Project MueKow In-Reply-To: References: < > <1109712447.28447.122.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> < > < > <1109716180.28447.165.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> < > < > <1109734439.28447.223.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <4225C0DB.6030603@inlandlakes.org> <1109785440.31991.10.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1109793424.31991.89.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-03-02 at 11:59, Jim McQuillan wrote: > The 'Stateless Linux' thing from Fedora is nothing more than an 'Idea' > at this point. There's nobody booting a thin (or fat) client from it > yet. In that case the knoppix version might be a better model. It's fat client has worked for a year or two and you get the same thing whether you boot the CD or PXE boot from a running copy. It lacks configurability and the ability to automatically start as a thin client but is great otherwise great. > Havoc's comment was: We think that about 50% of all desktops out there > are really laptop computers, and we are working on a way to keep them > "stateless" so that if you lose a laptop, you can easily replace it. > > I'm sorry, but that's just not what my experience in the desktop world > is telling me. He could be right about current sales, but not if you include inventory still running from past years. Doing a 2-way sync on machines that run disconnected is enormously more complicated than just making a working OS available and mounting a home directory over the network. Besides, a kickstart install and restore of your home directory from a backup should be all it takes to replace a laptop if all the programs are in an RPM repository. I'd consider the following options first: Thin client, network boot Fat client, network boot, running diskless or only local swap CD boot into above configurations - better for PCMCIA, etc. CD boot with knoppix-like setup of system files but using network authentication and home dir mount. (Good for testing and oddball architectures you don't want to support with a network image). The latter 3 set up the infrastructure needed for local apps even if you start up in thin client mode. Then possibly - rsync system files onto a local partition as part of the boot process or on demand - but I'm not sure that even matters. The older PCs you are likely to have as clients will have slower access on their own drives than an NFS mount from a good server. The hard part of making the fat clients/local apps work is setting up network authentication and automounting home dirs so everyone sees the same files with the same permissions. The key to making it usable is getting packaged LDAP server and client configs included in the base distributions or at least as a simple add-on. The rest of the setup should be kept as simple as possible until that part works. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Wed Mar 2 19:59:19 2005 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 13:59:19 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] old laptops as thin clients In-Reply-To: <4224E6DE.6090309@planet.nl> References: <20050301175737.22718.qmail@web41623.mail.yahoo.com> <4224E6DE.6090309@planet.nl> Message-ID: <42261B17.8050203@saskforestcentre.ca> Gustav J Kramer wrote: > Rob Owens wrote: > >> I'm thinking about getting one or two old laptops from >> ebay to use as thin clients. I don't know much about >> laptops, so are there any gotchas that I have to watch >> out for as far as getting one that will work? >> I know I need an ethernet port and either a floppy, >> hd, or cdrom (for loading the bootrom), but is there >> anything else? A pentium should do it, right? Any >> weird, incompatible hardware to watch out for? >> >> Thanks >> >> -Rob >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > I have had good success with the ThinkPad 760ED which has a P133 > processor. The only problem I had was with sound. (It uses a > proprietary chipset which emulates a soundblaster, once the DOS > drivers are loaded). On some laptops I have had problems with the > video card detection, which, I assume, could be fixed by specifiying a > server in lts.conf > > - gustav > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > For what it's worth, I have tested a similar IBM laptop, and had trouble with the sound. I was able to get it running in OpenBSD. It worked with no configuration on my part. That laptop makes a decent chubby client. Angus. From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Wed Mar 2 20:05:09 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 12:05:09 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] 2nd Attempt: Having trouble getting write access to a Win2k drive... Message-ID: Still crazy over this one. Here is my command: mount -t smbfs -o rw,username=student,password=abc123,uid=210,gid=200,umask=002 //wind2ksrv/Students /S-Drive/ When I "ll" the directory I get drwxr-xr-x 1 aharrington students ... S-Drive So it seems like everything is working except the permissions. And if the root can get write permissions, I figure that has to mean that there is nothing from the Windows side getting in the way here? Any help greatly appreciated. Steve -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct From les at futuresource.com Wed Mar 2 20:10:19 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 14:10:19 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Remote Reboot In-Reply-To: <489287610503021118eb482db@mail.gmail.com> References: <4225F9CC.4020800@honeygroveisd.net> <4225FE77.3050205@maltzen.net> <489287610503021118eb482db@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1109794219.31991.102.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-03-02 at 13:18, Adam Melancon wrote: > I found psshutdown from sysinternals.com but unfortunatly it only > works for NT and above. > http://www.sysinternals.com/ntw2k/freeware/psshutdown.shtml If you install IIS on win2k you get a command line utility called IISRESET that takes the option /REBOOT and optionally can pass the command to other machines if they have the same admin password or you have domain admin permissions. (Interesting that they'd think you need this capability when you run IIS...). But I don't think there is anything similar included for Win98. You could install VNC server, but chances are that anything that would make you want to reboot would also keep VNC from working. A remote control power switch might work, but most of those cost more than a new PC and OS. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From robark at gmail.com Wed Mar 2 20:12:21 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 12:12:21 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Project MueKow In-Reply-To: References: <1109712447.28447.122.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1109716180.28447.165.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1109734439.28447.223.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 13:45:04 -0500, David Trask wrote: > I like that idea, because in many cases my machines have the local > horsepower to do many things...in particular run Firefox and flash...that > would be my biggest thing. So far that's my achilles heel on my > system....since Firefox and flash-plugin eats up CPU cycles like they're > going out of style. If I could shift the work to the local > terminals...then I'd be a freaking hero. What about the docs in LTSP for local apps, http://www.ltsp.org/documentation/ltsp-4.1/ltsp-4.1-2-en.html See chap 10 I haven't tried it but I don't see why it would not work. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From watersjenusa2002 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 2 21:12:09 2005 From: watersjenusa2002 at yahoo.com (Jennifer Waters) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 13:12:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] (no subject) Message-ID: <20050302211209.1279.qmail@web52007.mail.yahoo.com> unscribe __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ From steve.honeycutt at gmail.com Wed Mar 2 21:24:46 2005 From: steve.honeycutt at gmail.com (Steve Honeycutt) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 15:24:46 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Gmail Invites Message-ID: <61bfa743050302132431e6b4b@mail.gmail.com> I've got a few gmail invites left, if anyone is interested in obtaining one. To receive an invite simply reply to this email or email me directly at steve.honeycutt [@] gmail.com with your address you would like the invite sent to. Makes for a great way to receive and archive mailing list... ! Have a nice day... ;^ ) -- Thanks, Steve From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Mar 2 21:40:28 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 15:40:28 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Can anyone help me tackle sound with iMac or any ppc machine? Message-ID: <003701c51f70$73499ed0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> I want to get sound working in the worst way with all vintages of iMacs. I have been reading and reading over the last week and can't seem to get anywhere. I just don't understand enough about how sound works with Linux. If we could get it figured out since Apple has all proprietary hardware it should be easy to bundle into the ppc directory and basically work out of the box in the future. I am open to any suggestions on where to start. Thanks Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Wed Mar 2 22:23:10 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 14:23:10 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Gmail Invites In-Reply-To: <61bfa743050302132431e6b4b@mail.gmail.com> References: <61bfa743050302132431e6b4b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I've got 50 if anyone else needs one. On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 15:24:46 -0600, Steve Honeycutt wrote: > I've got a few gmail invites left, if anyone is interested in > obtaining one. To receive an invite simply reply to this email or > email me directly at steve.honeycutt [@] gmail.com with your address > you would like the invite sent to. > > Makes for a great way to receive and archive mailing list... ! > > Have a nice day... ;^ ) > -- > Thanks, > > Steve > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct From steve.honeycutt at gmail.com Wed Mar 2 22:24:35 2005 From: steve.honeycutt at gmail.com (Steve Honeycutt) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 16:24:35 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Can anyone help me tackle sound with iMac or any ppc machine? In-Reply-To: <003701c51f70$73499ed0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <003701c51f70$73499ed0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <61bfa743050302142423969e6a@mail.gmail.com> The only advice I have to offer (with no experience on apple/mac equipment) is to double check that the sound/mixer volume levels aren't set to 0 by default when the installation took place. This has been a common fix noted on another lug mailing list I subscribe to. On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 15:40:28 -0600, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I am open to any suggestions on where to start. > > Thanks From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Wed Mar 2 22:31:38 2005 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 14:31:38 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Gmail Invites In-Reply-To: References: <61bfa743050302132431e6b4b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1109802698.6300.0.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> Ditto that. We'll have the whole K12OSN group gmail'ed in a jiffy. Send a request to danielmyoung at gmail.com if you like. On Wed, 2005-03-02 at 14:23 -0800, Steve Hargadon wrote: > I've got 50 if anyone else needs one. > > > On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 15:24:46 -0600, Steve Honeycutt > wrote: > > I've got a few gmail invites left, if anyone is interested in > > obtaining one. To receive an invite simply reply to this email or > > email me directly at steve.honeycutt [@] gmail.com with your address > > you would like the invite sent to. > > > > Makes for a great way to receive and archive mailing list... ! > > > > Have a nice day... ;^ ) > > -- > > Thanks, > > > > Steve > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > From robark at gmail.com Wed Mar 2 23:15:03 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 15:15:03 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Gmail Invites In-Reply-To: <1109802698.6300.0.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> References: <61bfa743050302132431e6b4b@mail.gmail.com> <1109802698.6300.0.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> Message-ID: On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 14:31:38 -0800, Dan Young wrote: > Ditto that. > > We'll have the whole K12OSN group gmail'ed in a jiffy. Send a request to > danielmyoung at gmail.com if you like. I have to say that it's great. I just started using gmail and WOW is it super for using with k12osn list. It has some really nifty features which other webmail systems lack. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us Wed Mar 2 22:13:20 2005 From: schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us (Jimmy Schwankl) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 17:13:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] samba-ldap credentials question Message-ID: <48FBD602-8B68-11D9-B514-000A95C48860@chatham.k12.nc.us> Dear Listers, Is the current wisdom with regard to the samba-ldap script from Matt and David to go with a K12ltsp 4.2 install and then run the installer script OR to go with a k12ltsp 4.2 install run all the updates and then run the installer script? I ask because I did the first one and thought everything was going along pretty well until I tried to use the smbpasswd command and I got the error message that it was "unable to bind to server" "Error: Invalid Credentials." it also said it was trying to bind the ldap server but not succeeding. Anyone seen/know anything about that message? I'm using version 1.2 of the script. The reason I ask this question is because I thought I remembered reading on the list about someone being bitten by an upgraded package that put things somewhere the installer didn't know about. Thanks in advance, Jimmy **This message was sent from the Chatham County Schools Mail Server** *****All e-mail correspondence to and from this address is subject to the North Carolina Public Records Law, which may result in monitoring and disclosure to third parties, including law enforcement.***** From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Wed Mar 2 23:25:13 2005 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 15:25:13 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Gmail Invites In-Reply-To: References: <61bfa743050302132431e6b4b@mail.gmail.com> <1109802698.6300.0.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1109805913.7318.4.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> On Wed, 2005-03-02 at 15:15 -0800, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > I have to say that it's great. I just started using gmail and WOW is > it super for using with k12osn list. It has some really nifty features > which other webmail systems lack. I agree. I was excited that the Hula (http://hula-project.org) folks have decided that Gmail is the benchmark for webmail: http://www.nat.org/2005/february/#15-February-2005 I have high hopes for it. -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From nsantiago at caclv.org Wed Mar 2 22:42:11 2005 From: nsantiago at caclv.org (Santiago, Nicholas) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 17:42:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Gmail Invites Message-ID: Same here... nicholas dot santiago at gmail dot com. nicholas|santiago 484.893.1044 nsantiago at caclv.org -----Original Message----- From: Dan Young [mailto:dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us] Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 5:32 PM To: Steve Hargadon; Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] OT - Gmail Invites Ditto that. We'll have the whole K12OSN group gmail'ed in a jiffy. Send a request to danielmyoung at gmail.com if you like. On Wed, 2005-03-02 at 14:23 -0800, Steve Hargadon wrote: > I've got 50 if anyone else needs one. > > > On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 15:24:46 -0600, Steve Honeycutt > wrote: > > I've got a few gmail invites left, if anyone is interested in > > obtaining one. To receive an invite simply reply to this email or > > email me directly at steve.honeycutt [@] gmail.com with your address > > you would like the invite sent to. > > > > Makes for a great way to receive and archive mailing list... ! > > > > Have a nice day... ;^ ) > > -- > > Thanks, > > > > Steve > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Mar 3 00:19:38 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 00:19:38 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] samba-ldap credentials question Message-ID: <200503022318.j22NI4324771@downeast.net> shouldnt you ne using smldap-passwd??might try locate smbldap-populate to see where your scripts re.. 0.8.5 puts em in usr/local/bin 0.8.6 in /etc/opt/---> 0.8.7 putd em in /usr/sbin chuck > Dear Listers, > > Is the current wisdom with regard to the samba-ldap script from Matt > and David to go with a K12ltsp 4.2 install and then run the installer > script > > OR > > to go with a k12ltsp 4.2 install run all the updates and then run the > installer script? > > I ask because I did the first one and thought everything was going > along pretty well until I tried to use the smbpasswd command and I got > the error message that it was "unable to bind to server" "Error: > Invalid Credentials." it also said it was trying to bind the ldap > server but not succeeding. Anyone seen/know anything about that > message? > > I'm using version 1.2 of the script. > > The reason I ask this question is because I thought I remembered > reading on the list about someone being bitten by an upgraded package > that put things somewhere the installer didn't know about. > > Thanks in advance, > Jimmy > > > **This message was sent from the Chatham County Schools Mail Server** > *****All e-mail correspondence to and from this address is subject to > the North Carolina Public Records Law, which may result in monitoring > and disclosure to third parties, including law enforcement.***** > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Mar 3 00:26:14 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 00:26:14 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Can anyone help me tackle sound with iMac or any ppc Message-ID: <200503022324.j22NOe325537@downeast.net> billc would know but first have to fiure out what sound card is i dont remember if lspci is in there.you could dump in th binary in yellowdog or ubuntu and see if you can get specs on the card..then see if the module is already part of the ppc ltsp..those sound modules would be in /opt/ltsp/ppc/lib/modules/-->god knows..chuck > I want to get sound working in the worst way with all vintages of iMacs. > I have been reading and reading over the last week and can't seem to get > anywhere. I just don't understand enough about how sound works with > Linux. > > If we could get it figured out since Apple has all proprietary hardware > it should be easy to bundle into the ppc directory and basically work > out of the box in the future. > > I am open to any suggestions on where to start. > > Thanks > > Jim Kronebusch > Cotter Tech Department > 507-453-5188 > jim at winonacotter.org > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From jackpal at cfl.rr.com Thu Mar 3 03:03:08 2005 From: jackpal at cfl.rr.com (Jack) Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 22:03:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Gmail Invites In-Reply-To: <1109805913.7318.4.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> References: <61bfa743050302132431e6b4b@mail.gmail.com> <1109802698.6300.0.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> <1109805913.7318.4.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1109818988.7215.1.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> If its not too much trouble I'd like a GMail account invite if you don't mind. jackpal at cfl dot rr dot com Thanks! On Wed, 2005-03-02 at 15:25 -0800, Dan Young wrote: > On Wed, 2005-03-02 at 15:15 -0800, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > I have to say that it's great. I just started using gmail and WOW is > > it super for using with k12osn list. It has some really nifty features > > which other webmail systems lack. > > I agree. I was excited that the Hula (http://hula-project.org) folks > have decided that Gmail is the benchmark for webmail: > http://www.nat.org/2005/february/#15-February-2005 > > I have high hopes for it. > -- Jack From steve.honeycutt at gmail.com Thu Mar 3 03:15:09 2005 From: steve.honeycutt at gmail.com (Steve Honeycutt) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 21:15:09 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Gmail Invites In-Reply-To: <1109818988.7215.1.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> References: <61bfa743050302132431e6b4b@mail.gmail.com> <1109802698.6300.0.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> <1109805913.7318.4.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> <1109818988.7215.1.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> Message-ID: <61bfa74305030219156d608f0c@mail.gmail.com> Done with no trouble at all. :) On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 22:03:08 -0500, Jack wrote: > If its not too much trouble I'd like a GMail account invite if you don't > mind. > > jackpal at cfl dot rr dot com > > Thanks! Best Regards, Steve www.slicehaven.com From steve.honeycutt at gmail.com Thu Mar 3 03:15:09 2005 From: steve.honeycutt at gmail.com (Steve Honeycutt) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 21:15:09 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Gmail Invites In-Reply-To: <1109818988.7215.1.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> References: <61bfa743050302132431e6b4b@mail.gmail.com> <1109802698.6300.0.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> <1109805913.7318.4.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> <1109818988.7215.1.camel@tserver.palmadesso.net> Message-ID: <61bfa74305030219156d608f0c@mail.gmail.com> Done with no trouble at all. :) On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 22:03:08 -0500, Jack wrote: > If its not too much trouble I'd like a GMail account invite if you don't > mind. > > jackpal at cfl dot rr dot com > > Thanks! Best Regards, Steve www.slicehaven.com From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Thu Mar 3 04:52:55 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 23:52:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] 2005 Northeast Linux Symposium at Gould Academy Message-ID: Hi everyone! (pardon me if you got dupes of this message...I'm working with many mailing lists) 2005 Northeast Linux Symposium at Gould Academy! I finally have the pieces in place to begin accepting registrations for the 2005 Northeast Linux Symposium at Gould Academy in Bethel Maine. This year's conference will be held on June 19th, 20th, and 21st. The cost is the same as last year....$400, which covers the cost of the conference AND room & board (pretty cool, huh?) Additionally, if you are local or will not be staying on campus the cost is $350. The format of the conference is basically 3 to 4 major day-long "labs" on each of the three days along with several mini-sessions (about 1-2 hours depending on the topic) in the evening. Major topics for the "lab" sessions in the past have included K12LTSP/LTSP, SME server, MySQL, Security and your Network, Samba/LDAP, Installing Linux, IPSEC/VPN..etc. These topics can and will change as I receive feedback from all of you about what you'd like to learn about. The mini-sessions were new last year and were kinda' fun. They included discussions, multi-media in Linux, building interactive web sites, and more! (I learned a lot in the multi-media one) This year promises to be better than ever! Those of you who have attended in the past know very well that we take good care of everyone. We encourage all participants to bring equipment with them if they can...this is a "hands-on" conference. We also do quite well in the hospitality department. Aside from being in a beautiful picturesque New England private school located in the Western Mountains (ski country) of Maine, we also manage to feed you very well. The food is incredible and like the past couple of years, we're planning on having our "wine & cheese" reception again (always a big hit) prior to the big meal at the end of day two. Last, but not least is the opportunity to meet, talk, and network with folks just like you. I've made some great friends and contacts over the past couple of years as a result of this conference. For those of you who've never met him....Jim MacQuillan, founder of the Linux Terminal Server Project, is tentatively planning to join us for at least a day as part of his family vacation to Maine. I hope he can make it and spend some time with us. As many of you already know, my co-director for the past couple of years...Derek Dresser of Gould Academy....is moving on to pursue other job interests. Derek will still hopefully be around for this years conference, but is no longer involved in the planning. I have taken over the direction and planning of the conference and am joined by Matt Oquist, an Open Source software engineer from New Hampshire. I have worked with Matt quite a bit over the past year and we have collaborated on the development of the smbldap-installer project which was released in January. Matt is a welcome addition and I hope you'll join me in welcoming him aboard. So...all that being said...here's what you need to know.... To register for the 2005 Northeast Linux Symposium please go to http://linux.majen.net/ and fill out the registration form. Then mail your check or PO ($400....or $350 if not staying on campus) to: (also make payable to) Copper Dog Consulting and Training 118 South Stanley Hill Rd. Vassalboro, ME 04989 *indicate that it is for the 2005 Northeast Linux Symposium Please register ASAP so you can be guaranteed a spot. Lastly...drop us an email letting us know of any topics you'd like to learn more about...AND/OR if you are interested in being a presenter...let me know what topic you might like to present (we do compensate) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Thu Mar 3 04:52:55 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 23:52:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] 2005 Northeast Linux Symposium at Gould Academy Message-ID: Hi everyone! (pardon me if you got dupes of this message...I'm working with many mailing lists) 2005 Northeast Linux Symposium at Gould Academy! I finally have the pieces in place to begin accepting registrations for the 2005 Northeast Linux Symposium at Gould Academy in Bethel Maine. This year's conference will be held on June 19th, 20th, and 21st. The cost is the same as last year....$400, which covers the cost of the conference AND room & board (pretty cool, huh?) Additionally, if you are local or will not be staying on campus the cost is $350. The format of the conference is basically 3 to 4 major day-long "labs" on each of the three days along with several mini-sessions (about 1-2 hours depending on the topic) in the evening. Major topics for the "lab" sessions in the past have included K12LTSP/LTSP, SME server, MySQL, Security and your Network, Samba/LDAP, Installing Linux, IPSEC/VPN..etc. These topics can and will change as I receive feedback from all of you about what you'd like to learn about. The mini-sessions were new last year and were kinda' fun. They included discussions, multi-media in Linux, building interactive web sites, and more! (I learned a lot in the multi-media one) This year promises to be better than ever! Those of you who have attended in the past know very well that we take good care of everyone. We encourage all participants to bring equipment with them if they can...this is a "hands-on" conference. We also do quite well in the hospitality department. Aside from being in a beautiful picturesque New England private school located in the Western Mountains (ski country) of Maine, we also manage to feed you very well. The food is incredible and like the past couple of years, we're planning on having our "wine & cheese" reception again (always a big hit) prior to the big meal at the end of day two. Last, but not least is the opportunity to meet, talk, and network with folks just like you. I've made some great friends and contacts over the past couple of years as a result of this conference. For those of you who've never met him....Jim MacQuillan, founder of the Linux Terminal Server Project, is tentatively planning to join us for at least a day as part of his family vacation to Maine. I hope he can make it and spend some time with us. As many of you already know, my co-director for the past couple of years...Derek Dresser of Gould Academy....is moving on to pursue other job interests. Derek will still hopefully be around for this years conference, but is no longer involved in the planning. I have taken over the direction and planning of the conference and am joined by Matt Oquist, an Open Source software engineer from New Hampshire. I have worked with Matt quite a bit over the past year and we have collaborated on the development of the smbldap-installer project which was released in January. Matt is a welcome addition and I hope you'll join me in welcoming him aboard. So...all that being said...here's what you need to know.... To register for the 2005 Northeast Linux Symposium please go to http://linux.majen.net/ and fill out the registration form. Then mail your check or PO ($400....or $350 if not staying on campus) to: (also make payable to) Copper Dog Consulting and Training 118 South Stanley Hill Rd. Vassalboro, ME 04989 *indicate that it is for the 2005 Northeast Linux Symposium Please register ASAP so you can be guaranteed a spot. Lastly...drop us an email letting us know of any topics you'd like to learn more about...AND/OR if you are interested in being a presenter...let me know what topic you might like to present (we do compensate) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Thu Mar 3 10:36:21 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 10:36:21 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Latest smbldap-installer script available...version 1.2 References: <200503011920.j21JKFm05371@downeast.net> Message-ID: <012d01c51fdc$d7d93650$65c8a8c0@brianwork> cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > cant quite visualize what you are up against...can you slapcat the old > database and use it to build a new one??seems like what you have > proposed is a hell of a lot of work..chuck> cliebow at downeast.net > wrote: >>> can you use net setlocalsid to advantage? i know ith my script it >>> would be trivial to do this..chuck >>> >>> >>>> David Trask wrote: >>>>> The latest smbldap-installer script (version 1.2) is now up on my >>>>> site (Matt and I tested it at a presentation today) :-) >>>>> >>>>> http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/smbldap/ >>>>> >>>>> Fixes include the roaming profiles, /bin/bash default...and some >>>>> new added features...check it out! >>>>> >>>>> David N. Trask >>>>> Technology Teacher/Coordinator >>>>> Vassalboro Community School >>>>> dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >>>>> (207)923-3100 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>> For more info see >>>> >>>> Is it possible to preset the SID when using the script ? >>>> >>>> I'm trying to setup a new Samba3 / LDAP system that I'll be able to >>>> just simply swap in without having to rejoin all the machine to the >>>> domain. >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> Brian >>>> >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily >>>> the views of Portsmouth College >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> K12OSN mailing list >>>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>> For more info see >>>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------- >>> This message was sent from Downeast.Net. >>> http://ellsworthme.com/ >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >> >> OK I set the SID to my existing domain's SID but when I ran the >> smbldap-installer script I had a couple of errors but when I finally >> got it to run the localsid had changed again. >> >> I've reset the SID to the correct value using net setlocalsid value >> but of cause all the accounts stored in the LDAP backend are wrong, >> is it a simple matter of just altering there value's with a LDAP >> Browser & the sid value in the smbldap-tools.conf ? >> >> Thanks >> Brian >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------- >> The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily >> the views of Portsmouth College >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > > --------------------------------------------- > This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see What I'm tryingto do is alter the SID globally for both LDAP & Samba. When I initially setup the system I set the SID BEFORE I ran the script but it failed because of some missing packages, I fixed this but when I rename the script the SID changed so it no longer reflected the one that I wanted. So I changed the local SID using the net setlocalsid command but all the accounts created by default in the LDAP backend are set with the old SID not the one I want. It's not possible to simply import my old database as our existing system is using Samba 2.x with a smbpasswd file backend. What I've done today is to use LDAPexplorer and change the SID in each account and group so it has the correct SID. I've also altered the config of the smbldap-tool so it uses the correct SID. Is there anywhere else that the SID is stored that I need to alter ?? Thanks Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From leojr at fic.com.br Thu Mar 3 11:51:53 2005 From: leojr at fic.com.br (Leonardo =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gon=E7alves?= de =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ulh=F4a?= Jr.) Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 08:51:53 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Gmail Invites In-Reply-To: References: <61bfa743050302132431e6b4b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1109850713.3442.2.camel@linux2> Hi: If you still have some invitation, please send one to me at: leoulhoa at yahoo.com.br . Gmail is very useful. Thank you very much. Leonardo Jr. Em Qua, 2005-03-02 ?s 14:23 -0800, Steve Hargadon escreveu: > I've got 50 if anyone else needs one. > > > On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 15:24:46 -0600, Steve Honeycutt > wrote: > > I've got a few gmail invites left, if anyone is interested in > > obtaining one. To receive an invite simply reply to this email or > > email me directly at steve.honeycutt [@] gmail.com with your address > > you would like the invite sent to. > > > > Makes for a great way to receive and archive mailing list... ! > > > > Have a nice day... ;^ ) > > -- > > Thanks, > > > > Steve > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > From ramonklown at pop.com.br Thu Mar 3 12:50:59 2005 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 09:50:59 -0300 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] finish user session, check if status is valid Message-ID: <40376.200.159.149.201.1109854259.squirrel@popmail6.pop.com.br> 1)Hi, I would like to know if there is a command I can run to finish a user session in the terminal. (I know I saw this some time ago) 2)Is there a way I when the user logins in to consult a MySQL database to check if status is ok? OBS:I think the clients login throw "slogin" command under /opt/ltsp/i386/bin/. Thanks, Ramon From Zouhir.Hafidi at math.univ-lille1.fr Thu Mar 3 13:25:54 2005 From: Zouhir.Hafidi at math.univ-lille1.fr (Zouhir Hafidi) Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 14:25:54 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP + Windows in schools Message-ID: <42271062.3060806@math.univ-lille1.fr> Hi LTSP people, I am writing a howto about terminal services with LTSP and Windows. You can find it here: http://math.univ-lille1.fr/~hafidi/terminal-services/ Any suggestion or criticism is welcome, ZH From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Mar 3 14:07:38 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 08:07:38 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Can anyone help me tackle sound with iMac or any ppc In-Reply-To: <200503022324.j22NOe325537@downeast.net> Message-ID: <000301c51ffa$5b46f870$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > billc would know but first have to fiure out what sound card > is i dont remember if lspci is in there.you could dump in th > binary in yellowdog or ubuntu and see if you can get specs on > the card..then see if the module is already part of the ppc > ltsp..those sound modules would be in > /opt/ltsp/ppc/lib/modules/-->god knows..chuck I have working sound on a local installation of Ubuntu on a iMac Indigo. I also have a iMac Indigo booted as a ltsp client. Where do I check to see what sound card the local installation has detected and what modules it uses? If I find that I would think it simple to move the same stuff over to the /opt/ltsp/ppc directory for use with the ltsp client. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Mar 3 14:09:35 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 08:09:35 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Can anyone help me tackle sound with iMac or any ppcmachine? In-Reply-To: <61bfa743050302142423969e6a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000401c51ffa$a14d9b30$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > The only advice I have to offer (with no experience on apple/mac > equipment) is to double check that the sound/mixer volume > levels aren't set to 0 by default when the installation took place. > > This has been a common fix noted on another lug mailing list > I subscribe to. Thanks. I set sound in /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc/lts.conf to 75 for a default. When I check the client the mixer slider is up about 3/4 of the way so I don't think that is it. When I try to play sound I get an error saying that the device is either busy or unavailable. So I assume it doesn't have the right modules loaded to detect it. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Mar 3 14:24:59 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 08:24:59 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP + Windows in schools In-Reply-To: <42271062.3060806@math.univ-lille1.fr> Message-ID: <000b01c51ffc$c7dac4b0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Hi LTSP people, > > I am writing a howto about terminal services with LTSP and > Windows. You > can find it here: > http://math.univ-lille1.fr/~hafidi/terminal-services/ I quickly breazed through the how to and from first glance it looks awesome. This should help clear up a lot of things and I know that David Trask will love it :-) (nothing like good documentation) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us Thu Mar 3 14:26:12 2005 From: schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us (Jimmy Schwankl) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 09:26:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: samba-ldap credentials question In-Reply-To: <20050303002412.93DCF73454@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050303002412.93DCF73454@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <31789561-8BF0-11D9-83A7-000A95C48860@chatham.k12.nc.us> On Mar 2, 2005, at 7:24 PM, chuck wrote: > shouldnt you ne using smldap-passwd??might try locate smbldap-populate > to > see where your scripts re.. > 0.8.5 puts em in usr/local/bin > 0.8.6 in /etc/opt/---> > 0.8.7 putd em in /usr/sbin > > chuck > Chuck, smbldap-passwd works fine. I was just going through David Trask's step by step online tutorial and in the middle of step 18 after issuing smbldap-useradd -m -a username smbldap-passwd username (both of which worked fine) I tried smbpasswd username and got the message: "failed to bind to server with dn= cn=Manager,dc=hortonstaff,dc=dev Error: Invalid Credentials" and then "Connection to LDAP server failed for the 1 try! Connection to LDAP server failed for the 2 try! etc" The other command that won't work is pdbedit. It also gives the message "failed to bind to server with dn= cn=Manager,dc=hortonstaff,dc=dev Error: Invalid Credentials" Also, the scripts are in /opt/IDEALX/sbin does that mean they're in the wrong place? Thanks for the help, Jimmy **This message was sent from the Chatham County Schools Mail Server** *****All e-mail correspondence to and from this address is subject to the North Carolina Public Records Law, which may result in monitoring and disclosure to third parties, including law enforcement.***** From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Mar 3 14:57:34 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 14:57:34 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Re: samba-ldap credentials question Message-ID: <200503031355.j23Dtup09468@downeast.net> i am not sure how that script was written..i think was writtewn with that path..not sure why it doesn't like your pw..gluck chuck > On Mar 2, 2005, at 7:24 PM, chuck wrote: > > > shouldnt you ne using smldap-passwd??might try locate smbldap-populate > > to > > see where your scripts re.. > > 0.8.5 puts em in usr/local/bin > > 0.8.6 in /etc/opt/---> > > 0.8.7 putd em in /usr/sbin > > > > chuck > > > > Chuck, > > smbldap-passwd works fine. I was just going through David Trask's step > by step online tutorial and in the middle of step 18 after > issuing > > smbldap-useradd -m -a username > > smbldap-passwd username > > (both of which worked fine) > > I tried smbpasswd username and got the message: > > "failed to bind to server with dn= cn=Manager,dc=hortonstaff,dc=dev > Error: Invalid Credentials" > > and then > > "Connection to LDAP server failed for the 1 try! > Connection to LDAP server failed for the 2 try! > etc" > > The other command that won't work is pdbedit. It also gives the message > > "failed to bind to server with dn= cn=Manager,dc=hortonstaff,dc=dev > Error: Invalid Credentials" > > Also, the scripts are in /opt/IDEALX/sbin does that mean they're in > the wrong place? > > Thanks for the help, > Jimmy > > > **This message was sent from the Chatham County Schools Mail Server** > *****All e-mail correspondence to and from this address is subject to > the North Carolina Public Records Law, which may result in monitoring > and disclosure to third parties, including law enforcement.***** > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From ken.tech1 at gmail.com Thu Mar 3 17:18:18 2005 From: ken.tech1 at gmail.com (Ken Johnson) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 12:18:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Setting Up Censornet Message-ID: <1eb89cf2050303091853d57b2d@mail.gmail.com> I'm a newbie trying to set up Censornet. It looks like a good solution to my content filtering requirement. I am confused, however about where to place the computer running Censornet. K12LTSP: eth0--->Internet eth1--->switch--->workstations Censornet has 2 NICs also, how should they be connected in this setup? Also I am testing this on a home network that consists of: cable modem --->Netgear MR814 Router--->PCs When I connect the k12LTSP server (eth0) to the router it doesn't see the Internet. When I connect the k12LTSP server (eth0) directly to the cable modem it DOES see the internet. Why? Is there any way I can put the k12LTSP server behind my router so my Windows stand-alone machines can share internet access? I would appreciate any help. Scratching my head- Ken Johnson From mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us Thu Mar 3 16:42:37 2005 From: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us (Mark Sarria) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 08:42:37 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP + Windows in schools In-Reply-To: <000b01c51ffc$c7dac4b0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <200503031721.j23HL2g2026818@mx1.redhat.com> Hello, Just read over your documentation, and my question is about section 7.4. Preventing multiple logins with the same username, does this also work for windows logins if not, can any help me with this. We have Windows Xp clients (I know!!) and I would like to prevent multiple logins. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jim Kronebusch Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 6:25 AM To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] LTSP + Windows in schools > Hi LTSP people, > > I am writing a howto about terminal services with LTSP and > Windows. You > can find it here: > http://math.univ-lille1.fr/~hafidi/terminal-services/ I quickly breazed through the how to and from first glance it looks awesome. This should help clear up a lot of things and I know that David Trask will love it :-) (nothing like good documentation) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Thu Mar 3 17:33:52 2005 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 01:33:52 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] DVD not umount-ing nor ejecting Message-ID: <1109871233.5299.66.camel@localhost.localdomain> Anyone using k12ltsp 4.2.0 and having trouble umount-ing and then ejecting CDs & DVDs? I did some googling and after choosing the right keywords came across this bug report pertaining to RH9 that seems to have persisted through to FC3: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=106936 It very closely matches my scenario, but I've not seen any comment on this list about it. Is it possible that it only affects some types of drives? Story: With my new install of k12ltsp 4.2.0 and a new dual-layer DVD (Lite-on 16x DVD-R, 4x DVD-R DL) I can mount disks okay but not umount without trouble - nor eject the tray at all. I first resorted to the old paper- clip-in-the-emergency-hole trick :^( to get the tray out because neither KDE's desktop CD icon nor the command line works as it should to umount and eject. Before you ask, nothing is apparently using the media nor looking at it (ie, not even a directory listing), so initially I could find nothing to account for the "device busy" error when I tried to umount. After googling I found reference to the umount -l option (ie, lazy) to force a umount when you don't know what process is keeping the media busy. This worked to umount, but it still persisted with the failure of both software and manual attempts to eject the tray. After reading the bug report (refer above), it clued me up to look for 'fam' (whatever that is) not correctly releasing the DVD. I found no fam, but 'ps aux' did find that konqueror was still active even after closing that process and then doing "umount -l". By trial and error I also found "gam_server" was a problem, but have no idea what it is. ONLY when I kill those two processes (konq. and gam) can I then eject the tray - even though the media is reported as no longer mounted. Is this an extension of that original bug report that's been around since RH9 or something new? Why has it not been reported by anyone else here - might it be unique to certain drives? Why are those processes not dying when they are closed? I now know how to deal with the problem, but it's very tedious to have to manually clean up processes to wrest back control of my DVD. Feedback welcome. Regards, Gavin Chester. From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Thu Mar 3 17:44:24 2005 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 09:44:24 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] DVD not umount-ing nor ejecting In-Reply-To: <1109871233.5299.66.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1109871233.5299.66.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <42274CF8.3060809@parkrose.k12.or.us> Gavin Chester wrote: > Anyone using k12ltsp 4.2.0 and having trouble umount-ing and then > ejecting CDs & DVDs? A fix for gamin went out yesterday re: unmounting /media/* FEDORA-2005-187 https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2005-March/msg00001.html https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=142637 "yum update gamin" -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us Thu Mar 3 17:46:39 2005 From: schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us (Jimmy Schwankl) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 12:46:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: finish user session, check if status is valid Message-ID: <325537BC-8C0C-11D9-901D-000A95C48860@chatham.k12.nc.us> Ramon wrote: > 1)Hi, I would like to know if there is a command I can run to finish a > user session > in the terminal. (I know I saw this some time ago) Ramon, I think the command you want is purge_user On a K21ltsp 4.2 system it's in /usr/sbin/ purge_user username will kill any processes for that user, effectively causing them to logout. I don't know enough to help you with #2) Peace, Jimmy ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ No one has a right to sit down and feel hopeless. There is too much work to do. - Dorothy Day **This message was sent from the Chatham County Schools Mail Server** *****All e-mail correspondence to and from this address is subject to the North Carolina Public Records Law, which may result in monitoring and disclosure to third parties, including law enforcement.***** From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Thu Mar 3 17:49:15 2005 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 01:49:15 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] DVD not umount-ing nor ejecting In-Reply-To: <1109871233.5299.66.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1109871233.5299.66.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1109872155.5299.69.camel@localhost.localdomain> For clarity I should have added that the scenario I describe in my original posting (below) occurs when mounting a DVD, browsing its contents in konqueror, closing konqueror and then trying to umount the DVD. Nothing more than that :^( On Fri, 2005-03-04 at 01:33 +0800, Gavin Chester wrote: > Anyone using k12ltsp 4.2.0 and having trouble umount-ing and then > ejecting CDs & DVDs? I did some googling and after choosing the right > keywords came across this bug report pertaining to RH9 that seems to > have persisted through to FC3: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=106936 > It very closely matches my scenario, but I've not seen any comment on > this list about it. Is it possible that it only affects some types of > drives? > > Story: > With my new install of k12ltsp 4.2.0 and a new dual-layer DVD (Lite-on > 16x DVD-R, 4x DVD-R DL) I can mount disks okay but not umount without > trouble - nor eject the tray at all. I first resorted to the old paper- > clip-in-the-emergency-hole trick :^( to get the tray out because neither > KDE's desktop CD icon nor the command line works as it should to umount > and eject. > > Before you ask, nothing is apparently using the media nor looking at it > (ie, not even a directory listing), so initially I could find nothing to > account for the "device busy" error when I tried to umount. After > googling I found reference to the umount -l option (ie, lazy) to force a > umount when you don't know what process is keeping the media busy. This > worked to umount, but it still persisted with the failure of both > software and manual attempts to eject the tray. > > After reading the bug report (refer above), it clued me up to look for > 'fam' (whatever that is) not correctly releasing the DVD. I found no > fam, but 'ps aux' did find that konqueror was still active even after > closing that process and then doing "umount -l". By trial and error I > also found "gam_server" was a problem, but have no idea what it is. > ONLY when I kill those two processes (konq. and gam) can I then eject > the tray - even though the media is reported as no longer mounted. > > Is this an extension of that original bug report that's been around > since RH9 or something new? > Why has it not been reported by anyone else here - might it be unique to > certain drives? > Why are those processes not dying when they are closed? > > I now know how to deal with the problem, but it's very tedious to have > to manually clean up processes to wrest back control of my DVD. > Feedback welcome. > > Regards, Gavin Chester. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Thu Mar 3 17:51:09 2005 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 01:51:09 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] DVD not umount-ing nor ejecting In-Reply-To: <42274CF8.3060809@parkrose.k12.or.us> References: <1109871233.5299.66.camel@localhost.localdomain> <42274CF8.3060809@parkrose.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1109872269.5299.71.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2005-03-03 at 09:44 -0800, Dan Young wrote: > Gavin Chester wrote: > > Anyone using k12ltsp 4.2.0 and having trouble umount-ing and then > > ejecting CDs & DVDs? > > A fix for gamin went out yesterday re: unmounting /media/* > > FEDORA-2005-187 > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2005-March/msg00001.html > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=142637 > > "yum update gamin" > AAHHH!! Thanks for that timely notification, Dan - I'll give that a go. Gavin. From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Thu Mar 3 18:08:15 2005 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 02:08:15 +0800 Subject: SOLVED Re: [K12OSN] DVD not umount-ing nor ejecting In-Reply-To: <1109872269.5299.71.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1109871233.5299.66.camel@localhost.localdomain> <42274CF8.3060809@parkrose.k12.or.us> <1109872269.5299.71.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1109873295.5299.75.camel@localhost.localdomain> Thanks again, Dan that update to gam server did the trick. I can count myself very lucky that I came on the problem very late 'cause seems like many have suffered this problem for quite some time. Thanks to the developers for cracking it. On Fri, 2005-03-04 at 01:51 +0800, Gavin Chester wrote: > On Thu, 2005-03-03 at 09:44 -0800, Dan Young wrote: > > Gavin Chester wrote: > > > Anyone using k12ltsp 4.2.0 and having trouble umount-ing and then > > > ejecting CDs & DVDs? > > > > A fix for gamin went out yesterday re: unmounting /media/* > > > > FEDORA-2005-187 > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2005-March/msg00001.html > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=142637 > > > > "yum update gamin" > > > AAHHH!! Thanks for that timely notification, Dan - I'll give that a > go. > > Gavin. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From Zouhir.Hafidi at math.univ-lille1.fr Thu Mar 3 18:26:07 2005 From: Zouhir.Hafidi at math.univ-lille1.fr (Zouhir.Hafidi at math.univ-lille1.fr) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 19:26:07 +0100 (CET) Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP + Windows in schools In-Reply-To: <200503031721.j23HL2g2026818@mx1.redhat.com> References: <000b01c51ffc$c7dac4b0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> <200503031721.j23HL2g2026818@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <32973.82.226.204.170.1109874367.squirrel@82.226.204.170> > Hello, > > Just read over your documentation, and my question is about section 7.4. > Preventing multiple logins with the same username, does this also work for > windows logins Yes, at least for W2K3 terminal services. Run tscc.msc and click on "Server Settings". You will see "Restrict each user to one session" set to "Yes". If a user tries to open a second session, then the first one is just "moved" from the previous client to the actual client (processes are not killed). With K12LTSP, the previous session is closed (processes are killed) ZH From sbetts at msad71.net Thu Mar 3 20:33:32 2005 From: sbetts at msad71.net (Sharon Betts) Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 15:33:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] one more time In-Reply-To: <42247EA1.3040803@maltzen.net> References: <200502222205.j1MM5JV27774@downeast.net> < > < > < > < > < > < > < > < > < > < > < > < > <421CB114.2040502@maltzen.net> < > < > < > < > < > < > < > < > <421F5CDB.6080908@maltzen.net> < > < > < > < > <4223723C.3040509@maltzen.net> < > <42247EA1.3040803@maltzen.net> Message-ID: Thanks for all the information. We are now going to do some groundwork and see how things progress. I will be back with a report. Sharon "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, March 01, 2005 at 9:39 AM +0000 wrote: >Because of the additional work of providing an X server on the Windows >clients, I'd start with providing apps to the Linux clients. I think >you still want the Windows box to be the single point for >authentication, so have a look at Trask & Oquist's smbldap installation >script. While it's designed to make Samba use LDAP, I think it >includes, or could be made to include, making regular shell >authentication also use LDAP, which then talks to the Windows AD (which >is a 'extended' LDAP). So, the first step is to get that working, where >you can telnet or ssh from the Linux client to the Linux app server. >Then you need to get the DISPLAY variable automatically set; SSH has the >advantage here because it can set the DISPLAY variable automatically. >See the wiki at http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/ and follow the links to >Gavin Spurgeon's How-to for setting up an app server. > >Once that's working, then we can tackle the next step (your project has >too many aspects to be entirely covered in single email messages, so >let's break it down into sections and deal with them one at a time). > >Petre > >Sharon Betts wrote: >> "Support list for opensource software in schools." >on >> Monday, February 28, 2005 at 2:34 PM +0000 wrote: >> >>>Do you want to just provide those apps--Gimp, StarOffice, etc.--to the >>>Windows clients, but from a central server so you don't have to install >>>them on each individual Windows client machine? Or do you also want to >>>setup linux thin clients? These are not mutually exclusive, but >they're >>>different problems/projects (both of which should be fun). >> >> Both -- I presently have both windows fat and linux slim (flash booted) >> clients. They are all using the Windows terminal server now for apps. >I >> want to add a linux box to server Gimp, StarOFfice etc. >> >> >>>Re-reading your message, it sounds like the former is your first >>>priority. To run Linux X-based apps on Windows clients you'll need to >>> >>>1. Get the linux server to use the Windows AD for authentication when a >>>client connects. Have a look at David Trask's smbldap installer >>>script. There has been much discussion of it in the past few weeks. I >>>think it's geared more for OpenLDAP than AD but I don't think that >>>should be a show stopper. >>> >>>2a. Install an X server on the Windows boxes. The X-LiveCD allows you >>>to run the CygWin X server from a CD, and it also has an option to >>>install the X server on the Windows machine (the installer has a few >>>bugs regarding the icons and menu choices it's supposed to add, but the >>>actual X server installs without problems). If you're trying to get to >>>the point of users just clicking on an icon and having it automatically >>>connect to the Linux app server and loading the Gimp, say, you'll have >>>to setup encryption keys with SSH & putty, and use those to >>>automatically launch the apps. I haven't done this, but it's an >>>interesting problem; but it may require more effort than step 2b below. >>> >>>OR >>> >>>2b. Install VNC client on each Windows client, and have the users >launch >>>that to connect to the Linux app server. This route doesn't provide >the >>>click-on-icon-and-app-magically-appears aspect that may be possible >with >>>2a, but it would be easier to setup. However, make sure your Linux box >>>is big--that is, LOTS of memory, fast CPUs--because now it will have to >>>support a whole desktop environment for each user rather than just an >>>application or two. >>> >>>Anyone have any alternative suggestions? >>> >>>Petre >>> >>>Sharon Betts wrote: >>> >>>>Hi Petre, >>>> I am grateful for all your thoughts and help. I have answered your >>>>questions below. >>>>In short -- I want to add a linux applicaiton server to an existing >>>>windows network to serve GIMP, SCRIBUS, STAR OFFICE etc. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>It sounds like you have several projects rolled into one here. ;-) >>>>>1. Get LTSP server to use Windows server for authentication. >>>>>2. Get LTSP server to mount users' homedirs that live on Windows >server. >>>>>3. Get LTSP server to print to same printers as Windows server. >>>>>4. Get rdesktop working on LTSP server so users can access apps on >Win >>>>>server. >>>>>5. Allow Windows clients to run apps from LTSP server (?). >>>> >>>> Sure >>>> >>>> >>>>>I wasn't sure if #5 was something you had in mind or not. >>>> >>>> Yes, to minimize the winders TS cals needed. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>As to the >>>>>first four items, they're listed in order of decreasing difficulty, >but >>>>>probably in the order you need to get things working in order to pull >>>>>this transition off. And I may be incorrect about #1; are you >running >>>>>Active Directory on the Windows server? >>>> >>>>Yes, running Active Directory. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Or are the Windows clients just >>>>>using local authentication (info which is then passed to the Windows >>>>>server when a user connects to his/her home directory on the Windows >>>>>server)? The users care about #2, getting to their files. You care >>>>>about #1 because it may affect how you handle #2. Others may have >>>>>tackled automatically mounting Windows shares on the LTSP server >>>>>(anyone?), but I haven't. >>>>> >>>>>With #3, are the printers all connected directly to the network (they >>>>>each have their own ethernet jack) or are they connected to a >computer >>>>>which is then connected to the network? >>>> >>>>Both. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>In either case, defining the >>>>>printers on the LTSP server is fairly easy and can be done via cups >or >>>>>webmin. I would avoid using the print queues on the Windows server >as >>>>>it's unnecessary and just makes the LTSP server dependent on the >>> >>>Windows >>> >>>>>server. >>>>> >>>>>#4 is just a matter of installing rdesktop on the LTSP server. Seems >>> >>>to >>> >>>>>me someone on the list once described setting up icons for users that >>>>>called rdesktop and specific apps on the Windows server. >>>>> >>>>>So, if you can clarify #1--that is, do you want the Windows server, >>>>>where you presumably have all the user IDs and PWs stored, to handle >>> >>>the >>> >>>>>user authentication for the LTSP server so that you only have to >>>>>maintain one user store, and is the Windows server running AD--then >we >>>>>can try to figure out what you need to do there, which should then >>>>>dovetail into #2. HTH. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Yes to both of these. We are running Windows DHCP. >>>> >>>> >>>>Sharon >>>>MSAD#71 Director of Educational Technology >>>>sbetts at msad71.net http://www.msad71.net 207-985-1100 >>>>"To err is human - and to blame it on a computer is even more so." >>>>Robert Orben >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>K12OSN mailing list >>>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>For more info see >>>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >> >> >> >> >> Sharon >> MSAD#71 Director of Educational Technology >> sbetts at msad71.net http://www.msad71.net 207-985-1100 >> "To err is human - and to blame it on a computer is even more so." >> Robert Orben >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see Sharon MSAD#71 Director of Educational Technology sbetts at msad71.net http://www.msad71.net 207-985-1100 "To err is human - and to blame it on a computer is even more so." Robert Orben From k12ltsp at trinityschool.org.uk Thu Mar 3 21:15:09 2005 From: k12ltsp at trinityschool.org.uk (Peter Deakin) Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 21:15:09 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Setting Up Censornet In-Reply-To: <1eb89cf2050303091853d57b2d@mail.gmail.com> References: <1eb89cf2050303091853d57b2d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42277E5D.1010307@trinityschool.org.uk> Ken Johnson wrote: >I'm a newbie trying to set up Censornet. It looks like a good solution >to my content filtering requirement. > >I am confused, however about where to place the computer running Censornet. > >K12LTSP: > >eth0--->Internet > >eth1--->switch--->workstations > >Censornet has 2 NICs also, how should they be connected in this setup? > >Also I am testing this on a home network that consists of: > >cable modem --->Netgear MR814 Router--->PCs > >When I connect the k12LTSP server (eth0) to the router it doesn't see >the Internet. >When I connect the k12LTSP server (eth0) directly to the cable modem >it DOES see the internet. Why? > >Is there any way I can put the k12LTSP server behind my router so my >Windows stand-alone machines can share internet access? > >I would appreciate any help. > >Scratching my head- >Ken Johnson > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > Hi Ken On my setup eth0 is the private (green) NIC, if you log on at the Censornet box and look under the network setup, I usually use two diffent types of NIC's so that I then know which is which. Have a look at http://www.censornet.com/support/diags.php also http://www.adelix-server.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=857&highlight=bridge With a cable/dsl router I think you will need to operate Censornet in bridge mode with one NIC's (the green) connected to your router. Then set your windows / LTSP server to port 8080 with the IP address of the green NIC to enable your machines to access the net. The down side is that in bridge mode censornet will not act as a firewall, but I guess your modem will have it own firewall built in and it is possible for machines to bypass the proxie. If you have no othe machines connected to your router except your Censornet box you should be able to the same type of setup as below, as the router picks up the public IP address, the rset are set to private IP's with different subnets for the Red and Green NICs My Setup Home setup - non bridge mode (you could try this to start with, then experiment with bridge mode) [Cable Modem IP set by ISP]------------[router192.168.1.x]----------[192.168.1.x Red NIC]----[Green NIC 192.168.0x]--------[SWITCH]-----[LTSP Server] My school setup is very similar but I am using a DSL modem with one Ethernet port which is in the same subnet as the Red NIC of the Censornet box. The few windows machines connect to via a Switch along with the LTSP server to the Green NIC of the Cenosrnet box, all of which is on a differnt subnet to the Red interface. Hope this Helps Peter www.tinityschool.org.uk From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Thu Mar 3 21:42:08 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers (Webmail)) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 21:42:08 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Migrating from Samba 2.2.8 to Samba 3 Message-ID: <1109886128.422784b043f23@webmail.portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Has anyone managed to migrate from a samba 2.2.x PDC domain using a smbpasswd backend to a Samba 3 PDC with a OpenLDAP backend ? I have setup a test server using the excellent (creep creep) smbldap-installer script and I can join machines to the new server without a problem and login but with over 500 machines I don't really want to have to visit each machine. What I'd like is to export the users / machine accounts from the current domain, and import it to the one. I've set the SID to be the same as the existing system but when I move a machine from the old one to the new one or vice versa the machine complains that it's domain account doesn't exist. I've tried using pdbedit -i smbpasswd:/root/smbpasswd_old -e ldapsam but I get this error build_sam_account: smbpasswd database is corrupt! username fred with uid 1060 is not in unix passwd database! Idea's please Thanks Brian Portsmouth College --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us Thu Mar 3 21:47:36 2005 From: schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us (Jimmy Schwankl) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 16:47:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: samba ldap credentials question (SOLVED) Message-ID: hey list, The problem was the password I was using. So here's a tip. When you are setting the password for the Manager account, Don't use a password with a semicolon in it! Peace, Jimmy +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ It is bad luck to be superstitious. -- Andrew W. Mathis **This message was sent from the Chatham County Schools Mail Server** *****All e-mail correspondence to and from this address is subject to the North Carolina Public Records Law, which may result in monitoring and disclosure to third parties, including law enforcement.***** From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Mar 3 21:58:04 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 15:58:04 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: samba ldap credentials question (SOLVED) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c5203c$13630430$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > So here's a tip. When you are setting the password for the Manager > account, Don't use a password with a semicolon in it! I have ran into a few problems like that recently. We use to use special characters in password like #,!,@,$ etc. But more and more I run into problems with this. Now I stick to standard alpha numeric password. Too much scripting sees the special characters in different ways. I first stumbled on the problems when users of IE tried to ftp://username:password at ftp.server and kept telling me it didn't work. Then I find out the stupid @ sign in the password was making it look like ftp://username:p at ssword@ftp.server and they were getting an error saying it couldn't find server ssword. Stupid. Then I ran into Webmin mass upload problems with the ! And # characters. And then more crap. So I just banned it completely. Alpha numeric, cryptic enough for me. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us Thu Mar 3 22:11:15 2005 From: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us (Mark Sarria) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 14:11:15 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Replicating server Message-ID: <200503032210.j23MAX68009495@mx1.redhat.com> Hello List, I am moving on to the next phase of my server implementations in a LAB environment setting for testing. I have an LDAP server working well, now I need to set-up a few slave servers to place throughout my campus. Are there any tutorials out there some one can point me too, or does some one have this type of set-up and can instruct me on how to accomplish this. Thank you --mark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It's a lot faster than VNC. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From azrich at earthlink.net Thu Mar 3 23:31:30 2005 From: azrich at earthlink.net (Jim Rich) Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 16:31:30 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Servers hooked to internet In-Reply-To: <20050303182629.8CFFE731E6@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050303182629.8CFFE731E6@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: Hi all I have two k12ltsp 4.2 servers hooked to the internet via the same switch. then each server connects to its own switch for there own clients I did not change the default settings in either server. Will I have problems with the following from dhcpd.conf: option routers 192.168.0.254; option domain-name-servers 192.168.0.254; option domain-name "ltsp"; option root-path "192.168.0.254:/opt/ltsp/i386"; shared-network WORKSTATIONS { subnet 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { range dynamic-bootp 192.168.0.100 192.168.0.253; I assume I will have to change the domain-name "ltsp" in one of the servers but what about the 192.168.0.254 ? what other files would have to be changed? Thanks in advance Jim Rich From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Mar 4 00:48:43 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 16:48:43 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Servers hooked to internet In-Reply-To: References: <20050303182629.8CFFE731E6@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4227B06B.8030005@paasda.org> as long as the two nets connected to eth0 on each machine never connect you should be fine...other than hostname for accessing via eth1 --Huck Jim Rich wrote: > Hi all > > I have two k12ltsp 4.2 servers hooked to the internet via the same switch. > then each server connects to its own switch for there own clients I > did not change the default settings in either server. Will I have problems > with the following from dhcpd.conf: > > option routers 192.168.0.254; > option domain-name-servers 192.168.0.254; > option domain-name "ltsp"; > option root-path "192.168.0.254:/opt/ltsp/i386"; > > shared-network WORKSTATIONS { > subnet 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { > range dynamic-bootp 192.168.0.100 192.168.0.253; > > > I assume I will have to change the domain-name "ltsp" in one of the > servers but what > about the 192.168.0.254 ? what other files would have to be changed? > > Thanks in advance > Jim Rich > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From dwblue02 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 4 04:22:19 2005 From: dwblue02 at yahoo.com (David Whitmer) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 20:22:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Setting Up Censornet Message-ID: <20050304042219.72740.qmail@web90110.mail.scd.yahoo.com> >Ken Johnson wrote: > > >>I'm a newbie trying to set up Censornet. It looks like a good solution >>to my content filtering requirement. >> >>I am confused, however about where to place the computer running Censornet. >> >>K12LTSP: >> >>eth0--->Internet >> >>eth1--->switch--->workstations >> >>Censornet has 2 NICs also, how should they be connected in this setup? >> >>Also I am testing this on a home network that consists of: >> >>cable modem --->Netgear MR814 Router--->PCs >> >>When I connect the k12LTSP server (eth0) to the router it doesn't see >>the Internet. >>When I connect the k12LTSP server (eth0) directly to the cable modem >>it DOES see the internet. Why? >> >>Is there any way I can put the k12LTSP server behind my router so my >>Windows stand-alone machines can share internet access? >> >>I would appreciate any help. >> >>Scratching my head- >>Ken Johnson >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> >> >> >Hi Ken > >On my setup eth0 is the private (green) NIC, if you log on at the >Censornet box and look under the network setup, I usually use two >diffent types of NIC's so that I then know which is which. > >Have a look at http://www.censornet.com/support/diags.php >also >http://www.adelix-server.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=857&highlight=bridge > > >With a cable/dsl router I think you will need to operate Censornet in >bridge mode with one NIC's (the green) connected to your router. Then >set your windows / LTSP server to port 8080 with the IP address of the >green NIC to enable your machines to access the net. The down side is >that in bridge mode censornet will not act as a firewall, but I guess >your modem will have it own firewall built in and it is possible for >machines to bypass the proxie. If you have no othe machines connected to >your router except your Censornet box you should be able to the same >type of setup as below, as the router picks up the public IP address, >the rset are set to private IP's with different subnets for the Red and >Green NICs > >My Setup Home setup - non bridge mode (you could try this to start with, >then experiment with bridge mode) > >[Cable Modem IP set by >ISP]------------[router192.168.1.x]----------[192.168.1.x Red >NIC]----[Green NIC 192.168.0x]--------[SWITCH]-----[LTSP Server] > > >My school setup is very similar but I am using a DSL modem with one >Ethernet port which is in the same subnet as the Red NIC of the >Censornet box. The few windows machines connect to via a Switch along >with the LTSP server to the Green NIC of the Cenosrnet box, all of which >is on a differnt subnet to the Red interface. > > >Hope this Helps > >Peter > >www.tinityschool.org.uk > > Ken, I've got both Censornet and K12LTSP 4.2 running on my home LAN. PCs on the LAN as well as clients being served by the LTSP server are all going through Censornet successfully. My Censornet box is using 2 NICs in bridge mode, one connected to my router/firewall, and the other connected to a network switch which connects the rest of my LAN (mix of Windows & Linux PCs, plus the LTSP server). Conceptually: [internet] -- [cable modem] -- [router (192.168.0.1)] -- [CN eth1-bridge mode (192.168.0.253)-CN eth0] -- [switch] -- [LTSP eth1 (192.168.0.50)] LTSP eth0 is on a separate subnet, 192.168.1.x. Following up on Peter's advice about port 8080, you should also verify that you've configured Censornet to allow both of the NICs in your LTSP server to have web access. Without completing this step, Censornet will default to blocking web access from the LTSP server and its clients. I hope this helps. David Whitmer __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ From rgm at htt-consult.com Fri Mar 4 07:22:34 2005 From: rgm at htt-consult.com (Robert Moskowitz) Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 02:22:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP script problem Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050304021839.03f945e8@localhost> I was recently pointed to: http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/smbldap/ To help me finally get a PDC and BDC up and running. I have not yet switched to the k12osn kernel. I have to figure out if it would make sense, I have the Centos distro. So I download the .tgz and run the tar, getting this error: [root at homebase t3125rm]# tar ?xzvf smbldap-installer-1.2.tgz tar: invalid option -- Try `tar --help' for more information. Note that I am running as root, with the tgz in my user home directory. Obviously I am not adept at tar, so help? From rgm at htt-consult.com Fri Mar 4 07:27:17 2005 From: rgm at htt-consult.com (Robert Moskowitz) Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 02:27:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Build decisions Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050304022236.03f94358@localhost> As I mentioned in a prior post, I am currently on Centos. But I really do not have anything committed to the Centos build and am in a position to switch yet again (Whitebox to Centos before). I have an NT domain with a PDC on one subnet and a BDC on another. I rely heavily on WINS as I have devices on other subnets that use the PDC and BDC as WINS servers. Of course I need to get off of NT, and Active Directory is not for me. Also there are only a handful of user systems, either Win2000 or XP here. So point me to something that will sell me on the k12osn or the K12LTSP builds over Centos. I am looking for stablity and functionality. Barrs Law of Recursive futility If you're smart enough to use one of these.... .....you can probably manage without one! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Fri Mar 4 08:49:36 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 08:49:36 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP script problem References: <6.2.1.2.2.20050304021839.03f945e8@localhost> Message-ID: <004a01c52097$17e2b090$65c8a8c0@brianwork> Robert Moskowitz wrote: > I was recently pointed to: http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/smbldap/ > > To help me finally get a PDC and BDC up and running. > > I have not yet switched to the k12osn kernel. I have to figure out > if it would make sense, I have the Centos distro. > > So I download the .tgz and run the tar, getting this error: > > [root at homebase t3125rm]# tar -xzvf smbldap-installer-1.2.tgz > tar: invalid option -- > Try `tar --help' for more information. > > Note that I am running as root, with the tgz in my user home > directory. > > Obviously I am not adept at tar, so help? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see Ah so I catch you on this list now *grin* Try it without the - sign so it reads tar zxvf smbldap-installer-1.2.tgz if your unsure what each bit is here you go z - using gzip compression you can tell this from the tgz extension x - extract v - verbose f - File I think If you have a gui installed on the machine try using that to extract the file or do it through windoze and then copy over the directory using something like winscp Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From mikko.jordman at edu.vantaa.fi Fri Mar 4 10:22:41 2005 From: mikko.jordman at edu.vantaa.fi (Mikko Jordman) Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 12:22:41 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] old laptops In-Reply-To: <1109723233.3370.1.camel@roop.ltsp> References: <1109674081.15024.1.camel@server.ltsp> <9bd317560503011448643729dc@mail.gmail.com> <1109723233.3370.1.camel@roop.ltsp> Message-ID: <422836F1.1030607@edu.vantaa.fi> Sudev Barar wrote: >On Tue, 2005-03-01 at 17:48 -0500, Ascension Tech wrote: > > >>Hey Sudev, >>Thanks for writing back. What part of the documentation do you mean? >>I only see a part that says that pcmcia booting isn't possible. >> >>http://k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Technical%3ABooting%3APCMCIAClients >> >> > >Look at contrib area in www.ltsp.org > > > In fact, I think (maybe I'm wrong) that pcmcia boot is not possible. Instead the kernel is loaded locally (from the wireless_ltsp floppyimage) and then the laptop takes connection to the LTSP-server. Works easily, no confing needed. Only thing is it takes uite a long time to boot from the floppy. That can be fixed by putting the wireless_ltsp -package on the HD. I managed to do it, so it can't be too hard :) mikkoj From hick518 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 4 11:06:36 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 03:06:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Jim K's sound configuration question Message-ID: <20050304110636.76804.qmail@web41605.mail.yahoo.com> I deleted the orignal message, but here it is from the archives: Okay now that I have all of my different vintage macs booting as thins, I need to figure out sound. My initial thought here is just like with getting X to run. I have installed local installations of a working Ubuntu on to each vintage mac. I test X and sound with the local install and they both work. I moved the XF86Config stuff to the server hoping that would contain enough info to get sound working, doesn't look like XF86Config is the right file for sound stuff (correct me if this assumption is wrong). So now that I have X working (by far the most important part) I need to work on sound. So, can anyone point me in the right direction on where/how to find the information from the local machine that makes sound work and incorporate that info on the server? Jim, I have the exact same issue. I have a local install of Mandrake and I want to use that box as a terminal. I found that the sound info is located in /etc/modprobe.conf of the local install. (This is for the 2.6 kernel--I think with the 2.4 kernel it's in /etc/modules.conf). However, I took this info out of my /etc/modprobe.conf file and put it into lts.conf, enabled sound, etc, and on bootup of the thin client I get something to the effect of "device not found" when it attempts to load the sound driver. So, stupid question: is it possible that the irq for the sound card would be different when I'm booting off the ltsp server than when I'm booting that same machine locally? -Rob __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ From hick518 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 4 11:07:22 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 03:07:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Jim K's sound configuration question In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050304110722.26765.qmail@web41610.mail.yahoo.com> By the way, my sound card is an ISA card... -Rob --- Rob Owens wrote: > I deleted the orignal message, but here it is from > the > archives: > > > Okay now that I have all of my different vintage > macs > booting as thins, > I need to figure out sound. My initial thought here > is just like with > getting X to run. I have installed local > installations of a working > Ubuntu on to each vintage mac. I test X and sound > with the local > install and they both work. I moved the XF86Config > stuff to the server > hoping that would contain enough info to get sound > working, doesn't look > like XF86Config is the right file for sound stuff > (correct me if this > assumption is wrong). So now that I have X working > (by far the most > important part) I need to work on sound. > > So, can anyone point me in the right direction on > where/how to find the > information from the local machine that makes sound > work and incorporate > that info on the server? > > > > Jim, > > I have the exact same issue. I have a local install > of Mandrake and I want to use that box as a > terminal. > I found that the sound info is located in > /etc/modprobe.conf of the local install. (This is > for > the 2.6 kernel--I think with the 2.4 kernel it's in > /etc/modules.conf). > > However, I took this info out of my > /etc/modprobe.conf > file and put it into lts.conf, enabled sound, etc, > and > on bootup of the thin client I get something to the > effect of "device not found" when it attempts to > load > the sound driver. > > So, stupid question: is it possible that the irq > for > the sound card would be different when I'm booting > off > the ltsp server than when I'm booting that same > machine locally? > > -Rob > > > > > __________________________________ > Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! > Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web > http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ From hick518 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 4 11:24:24 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 03:24:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] 2nd Attempt: Having trouble getting write access to a Win2k drive... In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050304112424.27981.qmail@web41606.mail.yahoo.com> Steve, I'm not sure about this, but do you have to change the permissions on the mount point itself? -Rob --- Steve Hargadon wrote: > Still crazy over this one. > > Here is my command: > > mount -t smbfs -o > rw,username=student,password=abc123,uid=210,gid=200,umask=002 > //wind2ksrv/Students /S-Drive/ > > When I "ll" the directory I get > > drwxr-xr-x 1 aharrington students ... S-Drive > > So it seems like everything is working except the > permissions. And if > the root can get write permissions, I figure that > has to mean that > there is nothing from the Windows side getting in > the way here? > > Any help greatly appreciated. > > Steve > > -- > Steve Hargadon > 916-899-1400 direct > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ From rgm at htt-consult.com Fri Mar 4 12:39:26 2005 From: rgm at htt-consult.com (Robert Moskowitz) Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 07:39:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP script problem In-Reply-To: <004a01c52097$17e2b090$65c8a8c0@brianwork> References: <6.2.1.2.2.20050304021839.03f945e8@localhost> <004a01c52097$17e2b090$65c8a8c0@brianwork> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050304073657.03fa97f8@localhost> At 03:49 AM 3/4/2005, Brian Chivers wrote: >Robert Moskowitz wrote: > >Ah so I catch you on this list now *grin* I'm a wandering soul, in search of a home. Is this it? :) >Try it without the - sign so it reads works. Thanks. >If you have a gui installed on the machine try using that to extract the >file or do it through windoze and then copy over the directory using >something like winscp I am using GNOME, and Nautilus shows the .tgz as an open shipping box.... From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Mar 4 12:40:03 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 07:40:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] 2nd Attempt: Having trouble getting write access to a Win2k drive... In-Reply-To: <20050304112424.27981.qmail@web41606.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050304112424.27981.qmail@web41606.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42285723.1070700@cmosnetworks.com> Here's the way I handle this at work. smbmount //winsrv/winshare /mnt/mymountpoint -o fmask=777 dmask=777 \ username=mywindowslogon password=mywindowspassword The security-conscious will say, "Hey, whassup with the 777 permissions?" Essentially, what you're doing is opening an unrestricted door to the Windows share, from the point of view of the GNU/Linux server. This is not so from the point of view of the Windows server. Remember that the Windows share itself has permissions on it (you do have your NTFS and share permissions properly set, right? :-) ), and the Windows server will say yay or nay to access based on its own permissions settings. Now, this assumes that you want to use a common security context for your K12LTSP users to hit this Windows share. This won't work so well if you need each user to be able to hit his own individual Windows share from the K12LTSP server, which is why most folks (including me) do it backwards--have Windows clients hit a Samba/NFS server running GNU/Linux or *BSD. HTH, --TP Rob Owens wrote: >Steve, > >I'm not sure about this, but do you have to change the >permissions on the mount point itself? > >-Rob > >--- Steve Hargadon wrote: > > >>Still crazy over this one. >> >>Here is my command: >> >>mount -t smbfs -o >> >> >> >rw,username=student,password=abc123,uid=210,gid=200,umask=002 > > >>//wind2ksrv/Students /S-Drive/ >> >>When I "ll" the directory I get >> >>drwxr-xr-x 1 aharrington students ... S-Drive >> >>So it seems like everything is working except the >>permissions. And if >>the root can get write permissions, I figure that >>has to mean that >>there is nothing from the Windows side getting in >>the way here? >> >>Any help greatly appreciated. >> >>Steve >> >>-- >>Steve Hargadon >>916-899-1400 direct >> >> From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Mar 4 12:58:01 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 07:58:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Build decisions In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050304022236.03f94358@localhost> References: <6.2.1.2.2.20050304022236.03f94358@localhost> Message-ID: <42285B59.7010307@cmosnetworks.com> My server's been running without a hiccup for about a year and a half now. It's running K12LTSP 3.1.2 (yes, I finally upgraded it from the ancient 2.1.2). Understand that Fedora is, by definition, a bleeding-edge distro. Thus, K12LTSP has some of those bleeding-edge elements as well, though Yellow Dog Linux 4.0 is basically FC2 for PPC and has proven quite stable for me. If you're looking for uncompromising stability and don't need the K12-specific apps preinstalled, then you can basically choose your favorite distro (mine is Slackware) and put LTSP on it. That's my strategy for business settings, including school main offices, in which case I tend to use SuSE Linux Pro. If, on the other hand, you need a turnkey LTSP-ifyed distro that's easier than anything (including Windows) to install and get going, and if you need the K12-specific stuff, go for K12LTSP. I've found even the Fedora releases more stable than any version of Windows (we have lots of Windows Server 2003 at work), so even if you go bleeding-edge Fedora, you'll already be far ahead of where you are now. In short, if you know what you're doing, there's no technical reason not to use Centos if you're more comfortable with it. --TP Robert Moskowitz wrote: > As I mentioned in a prior post, I am currently on Centos. But I > really do not have anything committed to the Centos build and am in a > position to switch yet again (Whitebox to Centos before). > > I have an NT domain with a PDC on one subnet and a BDC on another. I > rely heavily on WINS as I have devices on other subnets that use the > PDC and BDC as WINS servers. > > Of course I need to get off of NT, and Active Directory is not for > me. Also there are only a handful of user systems, either Win2000 or > XP here. > > So point me to something that will sell me on the k12osn or the > K12LTSP builds over Centos. I am looking for stablity and functionality. > > Barrs Law of Recursive futility > If you're smart enough to use one of these.... > .....you can probably manage without one! > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > -- _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From les at futuresource.com Fri Mar 4 13:32:41 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 07:32:41 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Build decisions In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050304022236.03f94358@localhost> References: <6.2.1.2.2.20050304022236.03f94358@localhost> Message-ID: <1109943160.10321.17.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2005-03-04 at 01:27, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > So point me to something that will sell me on the k12osn or the > K12LTSP builds over Centos. I am looking for stablity and > functionality. Usually you want to focus on stability on the server side (because that functionality doesn't change much) and the latest apps on the desktop side (because those are improving rapidly). K12ltsp is an odd beast in that one server provides both and the RH/fedora versioning scheme keeps you from getting version upgrades of apps within a distro release. So, you probably want the fast-track fedora base for the boxes providing the desktop apps and just live with having to re-install at least once a year. However, Centos 4.0 has just been released and is pretty close to being as up to date as FC3. I'd consider that as a very good choice for an authentication/home directory server that you might want to keep running for years. Right now it would also be a reasonable choice for an ltsp server providing destops since the apps are current. You would have to re-evaluate that choice in a year or so. Even though you will still have security/bugfix updates available, a year of development brings a lot of improvement in app version upgrades that won't be backed in. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From rgm at htt-consult.com Fri Mar 4 13:33:11 2005 From: rgm at htt-consult.com (Robert Moskowitz) Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 08:33:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP script problem In-Reply-To: <004a01c52097$17e2b090$65c8a8c0@brianwork> References: <6.2.1.2.2.20050304021839.03f945e8@localhost> <004a01c52097$17e2b090$65c8a8c0@brianwork> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050304083149.051331d8@localhost> At 03:49 AM 3/4/2005, Brian Chivers wrote: >Robert Moskowitz wrote: > > I was recently pointed to: http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/smbldap/ Pilgrams progress... Of course I discovered this after installing the Centos distro. Now it is decision time: stay with Centos and get this working or move the the K12 distro. This setup is for the small business network in my basement (really quite extensive, a rack full of servers and workstations!). When I run the script I get these messages, errors (I cut out the rpms it found or comes with): Gathering system information... Checking for perl-IO-Socket-SSL-0.92-8.k12ltsp.0.3.1.i386.rpm...not found. Checking for perl-Crypt-SmbHash-0.02-1.1.fc2.dag.noarch.rpm...not found. Checking for perl-Digest-SHA1-2.07-5.i386.rpm...not found. Checking for perl-XML-SAX-0.12-7.noarch.rpm...not found. Checking for perl-LDAP-0.31-5.noarch.rpm...not found. Checking for perl-XML-NamespaceSupport-1.08-6.noarch.rpm...not found. Checking for perl-Unicode-String-2.07-0.1.fc2.dag.i386.rpm...not found. Checking for perl-Unicode-Map8-0.12-0.1.fc2.dag.i386.rpm...not found. Checking for perl-Unicode-MapUTF8-1.09-0.1.fc2.dag.i386.rpm...not found. Checking for perl-Convert-BER-1.31.01-1.1.fc2.dag.noarch.rpm...not found. Checking for perl-Jcode-0.83-0.1.fc2.dag.i386.rpm...not found. Checking for perl-Net_SSLeay-1.23-8.k12ltsp.0.3.1.i386.rpm...not found. Checking for perl-Convert-ASN1-0.18-3.noarch.rpm...not found. Checking for smbldap-tools-0.8.6-1.noarch.rpm...not found. Checking for perl-Unicode-Map-0.112-0.1.fc2.dag.i386.rpm...not found. I need to install perl-IO-Socket-SSL-0.92-8.k12ltsp.0.3.1.i386.rpm (located on cd #3 of the distro media) I need to install perl-Crypt-SmbHash-0.02-1.1.fc2.dag.noarch.rpm (included with this script) I need to install perl-Digest-SHA1-2.07-5.i386.rpm (located on cd #1 of the distro media) I need to install perl-XML-SAX-0.12-7.noarch.rpm (located on cd #2 of the distro media) I need to install perl-LDAP-0.31-5.noarch.rpm (located on cd #2 of the distro media) I need to install perl-XML-NamespaceSupport-1.08-6.noarch.rpm (located on cd #2 of the distro media) I need to install perl-Net_SSLeay-1.23-8.k12ltsp.0.3.1.i386.rpm (located on cd #3 of the distro media) I need to install perl-Convert-ASN1-0.18-3.noarch.rpm (located on cd #2 of the distro media) Please insert cd #2 from your k12ltsp-4.2 distribution media set. So what do I do? Where can I find all of these? Just run rpm to the Centos servers? Since these are all Perl, just build the right iso images and cheat? Reinstall with K12LSTP? Thank you for your help. From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Fri Mar 4 13:46:08 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 13:46:08 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP script problem References: <6.2.1.2.2.20050304021839.03f945e8@localhost><004a01c52097$17e2b090$65c8a8c0@brianwork> <6.2.1.2.2.20050304083149.051331d8@localhost> Message-ID: <00ac01c520c0$850d05c0$65c8a8c0@brianwork> Robert Moskowitz wrote: > At 03:49 AM 3/4/2005, Brian Chivers wrote: >> Robert Moskowitz wrote: >>> I was recently pointed to: >>> http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/smbldap/ > > Pilgrams progress... > > Of course I discovered this after installing the Centos distro. Now > it is decision time: stay with Centos and get this working or move > the the K12 distro. This setup is for the small business network in > my basement (really quite extensive, a rack full of servers and > workstations!). > > When I run the script I get these messages, errors (I cut out the > rpms it found or comes with): > > Gathering system information... > Checking for perl-IO-Socket-SSL-0.92-8.k12ltsp.0.3.1.i386.rpm...not > found. Checking for > perl-Crypt-SmbHash-0.02-1.1.fc2.dag.noarch.rpm...not found. Checking > for perl-Digest-SHA1-2.07-5.i386.rpm...not found. > Checking for perl-XML-SAX-0.12-7.noarch.rpm...not found. > Checking for perl-LDAP-0.31-5.noarch.rpm...not found. > Checking for perl-XML-NamespaceSupport-1.08-6.noarch.rpm...not found. > Checking for perl-Unicode-String-2.07-0.1.fc2.dag.i386.rpm...not > found. Checking for perl-Unicode-Map8-0.12-0.1.fc2.dag.i386.rpm...not > found. Checking for > perl-Unicode-MapUTF8-1.09-0.1.fc2.dag.i386.rpm...not found. Checking > for perl-Convert-BER-1.31.01-1.1.fc2.dag.noarch.rpm...not found. > Checking for perl-Jcode-0.83-0.1.fc2.dag.i386.rpm...not found. > Checking for perl-Net_SSLeay-1.23-8.k12ltsp.0.3.1.i386.rpm...not > found. Checking for perl-Convert-ASN1-0.18-3.noarch.rpm...not found. > Checking for smbldap-tools-0.8.6-1.noarch.rpm...not found. > Checking for perl-Unicode-Map-0.112-0.1.fc2.dag.i386.rpm...not found. > I need to install perl-IO-Socket-SSL-0.92-8.k12ltsp.0.3.1.i386.rpm > (located on cd #3 of the distro media) > I need to install perl-Crypt-SmbHash-0.02-1.1.fc2.dag.noarch.rpm > (included with this script) > I need to install perl-Digest-SHA1-2.07-5.i386.rpm (located on cd #1 > of the distro media) > I need to install perl-XML-SAX-0.12-7.noarch.rpm (located on cd #2 of > the distro media) > I need to install perl-LDAP-0.31-5.noarch.rpm (located on cd #2 of the > distro media) > I need to install perl-XML-NamespaceSupport-1.08-6.noarch.rpm > (located on cd #2 of the distro media) > I need to install perl-Net_SSLeay-1.23-8.k12ltsp.0.3.1.i386.rpm > (located on cd #3 of the distro media) > I need to install perl-Convert-ASN1-0.18-3.noarch.rpm (located on cd > #2 of the distro media) > Please insert cd #2 from your k12ltsp-4.2 distribution media set. > > So what do I do? Where can I find all of these? Just run rpm to the > Centos servers? Since these are all Perl, just build the right iso > images and cheat? Reinstall with K12LSTP? > > Thank you for your help. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see The rpms are included with the script so you could try installing them by hand and re running the script. The one that I had issue's with on a Fedora Core 3 minimal install was glic-headers, glibc-devel & glibc, so I used YUM to install them and ran the script again. I found it useful to zero the smb.log (I think that's it's name) that the installer uses ( type :> smb.log if you unsure) then look through it and see what errors out , fix and re run. It might be useful to note down what you add and let the list know, that way if anyone else has the error's they have a heads up. You could also try altering the distro.pm file that the script uses so it'll offer Centos as an option. If not move to Fedora Core 3 and I can let you have my note's, what there are of them to get it up and running. Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From rgm at htt-consult.com Fri Mar 4 13:59:01 2005 From: rgm at htt-consult.com (Robert Moskowitz) Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 08:59:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Build decisions In-Reply-To: <42285B59.7010307@cmosnetworks.com> References: <6.2.1.2.2.20050304022236.03f94358@localhost> <42285B59.7010307@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050304085342.0512ea18@localhost> Thank you both Terrel and Les for your views. I am actually on Centos 3.3, but all I have configured is my DNS. I can copy those files, reinstall without much of a care (but waiting 2 weeks as next week is IETF in Minneapolis and the following IEEE 802 plenary in Altanta; I'm a standards guy doing security research). So my allegance is to stablity (my NT boxen have been running for years, sometimes boots are months apart). I do not even *KNOW* what the K12 apps are and if I want them. Really all I want is an NT domain replacement!!! So it almost sounds like I should wait a few weeks (perhaps Centos 4.0 will have some more cleanup done by then), go with the new Centos and work out what it takes to get this script rurnning on it. Of course if there are some great K12 apps that I SHOULD be using, well then!!! "Perfection is achieved not when there is nothing more to add, but rather, when there is nothing left to take away" Antoine de Saint-Exup?ry (1900-1944) From dyioulos at firstbhph.com Fri Mar 4 14:38:36 2005 From: dyioulos at firstbhph.com (Dimitri Yioulos) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 09:38:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP script problem In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050304083149.051331d8@localhost> Message-ID: <200503041438.j24EcZnX013179@mail1.firstbhph.com> >-----Original Message----- >From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On >Behalf Of Robert Moskowitz >Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 8:33 AM >To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP script problem >At 03:49 AM 3/4/2005, Brian Chivers wrote: >Robert Moskowitz wrote: > > I was recently pointed to: http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/smbldap/ >Pilgrams progress... >Of course I discovered this after installing the Centos distro. Now it is >decision time: stay with Centos and get this working or move the the K12 >distro. This setup is for the small business network in my basement >(really quite extensive, a rack full of servers and workstations!). Brian, Robert, et. al., I use CentOS too, and hope you'll find a way to make the script work on it. Dimitri From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Fri Mar 4 14:43:37 2005 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 08:43:37 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP and Dan's Guardian Message-ID: <42287419.7090706@honeygroveisd.net> Am I correct in my understanding that installing DG on my K12LTSP box will *not* filter the Internet access for the clients actually running from that server? -- C-ya, Mark ____ "Pay attention to your enemies, for they are the first to discover your mistakes." -- Antisthenes From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Fri Mar 4 14:46:12 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 14:46:12 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Migrating from Samba 2.2.8 to Samba 3 References: <1109886128.422784b043f23@webmail.portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <015001c520c8$e8e077a0$65c8a8c0@brianwork> Brian Chivers (Webmail) wrote: > Has anyone managed to migrate from a samba 2.2.x PDC domain using a > smbpasswd backend to a Samba 3 PDC with a OpenLDAP backend ? > > I have setup a test server using the excellent (creep creep) > smbldap-installer script and I can join machines to the new server > without a problem and login but with over 500 machines I don't really > want to have to visit each machine. What I'd like is to export the > users / machine accounts from the current domain, and import it to > the one. > > I've set the SID to be the same as the existing system but when I > move a machine from the old one to the new one or vice versa the > machine complains that it's domain account doesn't exist. > > I've tried using pdbedit -i smbpasswd:/root/smbpasswd_old -e ldapsam > but I get this error > > build_sam_account: smbpasswd database is corrupt! username fred with > uid 1060 is not in unix passwd database! > > Idea's please > > Thanks > Brian > Portsmouth College > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily > the views of Portsmouth College > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see OK I hate to answer my own question but I'm so pleased that I've got it working. Turns out that I had to copy all the machine account entries from my old servers passwd, shadow & smbpasswd file on the the new server. I then merged the entries into the existing shadow & passwd and copied the smbpasswd file to /etc/samba. Then editted the smb.conf so the backend used both the smbpasswd & ldap. Run pdbedit -i smbpasswd -e ldapsam and this moved the entries into the LDAP backend. I then removed the entries from shadow & passwd, remove the smbpasswd file, took out the entry in smb.conf restarted and the machine now login OK. The next thing is go get the profiles over & SID's corrected if necessary. Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From les at futuresource.com Fri Mar 4 15:43:30 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 09:43:30 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Build decisions In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050304085342.0512ea18@localhost> References: <6.2.1.2.2.20050304022236.03f94358@localhost> <42285B59.7010307@cmosnetworks.com> <6.2.1.2.2.20050304085342.0512ea18@localhost> Message-ID: <1109951009.13296.23.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2005-03-04 at 07:59, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > I am actually on Centos 3.3, but all I have configured is my DNS. I can > copy those files, reinstall without much of a care (but waiting 2 weeks as > next week is IETF in Minneapolis and the following IEEE 802 plenary in > Altanta; I'm a standards guy doing security research). So my allegance is > to stablity (my NT boxen have been running for years, sometimes boots are > months apart). Centos 4.0 should inherit the RHEL commitment of 5 years of backported security/bugfix updates. Centos 3.x is already 2 years into it's version of the cycle. > I do not even *KNOW* what the K12 apps are and if I want them. Really all > I want is an NT domain replacement!!! I was thinking of the stock desktop applications (firefox, openoffice, evolution), etc.) more than the k12-specific things, but if you don't use the box interactively or run X sessions from thin clients, those won't matter. > So it almost sounds like I should wait a few weeks (perhaps Centos 4.0 will > have some more cleanup done by then), go with the new Centos and work out > what it takes to get this script rurnning on it. Centos 4.0 has already been through beta/rc releases so I'd expect it to be pretty solid now. The only thing I thought looked bad in the release notes was that it didn't handle USB hard drives. Regardless, the ability to 'yum update' is valuable. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From rgm at htt-consult.com Fri Mar 4 15:44:14 2005 From: rgm at htt-consult.com (Robert Moskowitz) Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 10:44:14 -0500 Subject: trouble in Rivercity -- Re: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP script problem In-Reply-To: <00ac01c520c0$850d05c0$65c8a8c0@brianwork> References: <6.2.1.2.2.20050304021839.03f945e8@localhost> <004a01c52097$17e2b090$65c8a8c0@brianwork> <6.2.1.2.2.20050304083149.051331d8@localhost> <00ac01c520c0$850d05c0$65c8a8c0@brianwork> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050304103939.03d5ab48@localhost> At 08:46 AM 3/4/2005, Brian Chivers wrote: >The rpms are included with the script so you could try installing them by >hand and re running the script. I was doing this from Nataulis, and after a few of them, the install is hanging. Then I can't do any of the others. I reboot, and then I can restart, but again it hangs. What logs do I look in to find out what is wrong? >It might be useful to note down what you add and let the list know, that way >if anyone else has the error's they have a heads up. You could also try >altering the distro.pm file that the script uses so it'll offer Centos as an >option. I think at this point, I am going to Centos 4.0 and trying again there. I am away for the next 2 weeks: IETF and IEEE 802 meetings. So this goes on hold, and I will grab 4.0 after I get back (who knows, by then there might be new distros with all the fixes? :) ) Illegitimi non Carborundum From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Mar 4 16:19:28 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 11:19:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] changing xscreensaver default time...how? Message-ID: Hi all, Hopefully a simple question....on my K12LTSP 4.1 server I'd like to lenghten the time before the xscreensaver kicks in...I found a couple files called XScreensaver and XScreensaver.ltsp in an apps-default directory....they're large files (about 665 lines)....do I change something in there or is there a different location? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Mar 4 16:26:46 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 11:26:46 -0500 Subject: trouble in Rivercity -- Re: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP script problem In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050304103939.03d5ab48@localhost> References: <6.2.1.2.2.20050304021839.03f945e8@localhost> < > <004a01c52097$17e2b090$65c8a8c0@brianwork> < > <6.2.1.2.2.20050304083149.051331d8@localhost> < > <00ac01c520c0$850d05c0$65c8a8c0@brianwork> <6.2.1.2.2.20050304103939.03d5ab48@localhost> Message-ID: You'd be much better off using the command line in this case. "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, March 4, 2005 at 10:44 AM +0000 wrote: > >>The rpms are included with the script so you could try installing them by >>hand and re running the script. > >I was doing this from Nataulis, and after a few of them, the install is >hanging. Then I can't do any of the others. I reboot, and then I can >restart, but again it hangs. What logs do I look in to find out what is >wrong? > >>It might be useful to note down what you add and let the list know, that >way >>if anyone else has the error's they have a heads up. You could also try >>altering the distro.pm file that the script uses so it'll offer Centos >as an >>option. > >I think at this point, I am going to Centos 4.0 and trying again there. >I >am away for the next 2 weeks: IETF and IEEE 802 meetings. So this goes >on >hold, and I will grab 4.0 after I get back (who knows, by then there >might >be new distros with all the fixes? :) ) > > > >Illegitimi non Carborundum David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Mar 4 16:27:34 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 11:27:34 -0500 Subject: trouble in Rivercity -- Re: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP script problem In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050304103939.03d5ab48@localhost> References: <6.2.1.2.2.20050304021839.03f945e8@localhost> < > <004a01c52097$17e2b090$65c8a8c0@brianwork> < > <6.2.1.2.2.20050304083149.051331d8@localhost> < > <00ac01c520c0$850d05c0$65c8a8c0@brianwork> <6.2.1.2.2.20050304103939.03d5ab48@localhost> Message-ID: What version of Samba does Centos use? "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, March 4, 2005 at 10:44 AM +0000 wrote: > >>The rpms are included with the script so you could try installing them by >>hand and re running the script. > >I was doing this from Nataulis, and after a few of them, the install is >hanging. Then I can't do any of the others. I reboot, and then I can >restart, but again it hangs. What logs do I look in to find out what is >wrong? > >>It might be useful to note down what you add and let the list know, that >way >>if anyone else has the error's they have a heads up. You could also try >>altering the distro.pm file that the script uses so it'll offer Centos >as an >>option. > >I think at this point, I am going to Centos 4.0 and trying again there. >I >am away for the next 2 weeks: IETF and IEEE 802 meetings. So this goes >on >hold, and I will grab 4.0 after I get back (who knows, by then there >might >be new distros with all the fixes? :) ) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From shahms at shahms.com Fri Mar 4 16:33:12 2005 From: shahms at shahms.com (Shahms King) Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 08:33:12 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] changing xscreensaver default time...how? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1109953992.11074.65.camel@shahms.mesd.k12.or.us> On Fri, 2005-03-04 at 11:19 -0500, David Trask wrote: > Hi all, > > Hopefully a simple question....on my K12LTSP 4.1 server I'd like to > lenghten the time before the xscreensaver kicks in...I found a couple > files called XScreensaver and XScreensaver.ltsp in an apps-default > directory....they're large files (about 665 lines)....do I change > something in there or is there a different location? > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 RTFM ;-P The XScreensaver file is the one you'd need to edit. The relevant lines are near the top and are mostly self-explanatory ("timeout" is the one you probably want). -- Shahms E. King Multnomah ESD Public Key: http://shahms.mesd.k12.or.us/~sking/shahms.asc Fingerprint: 1612 054B CE92 8770 F1EA AB1B FEAB 3636 45B2 D75B -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Mar 4 16:54:46 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 11:54:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OS X and Linux sessions at Northeast Linux Symposium Message-ID: Just a note to let everyone know that we'll be adding an exciting new dimension to the Linux Seminar this year! Earlier this year, I assisted Daryl Hawes in presenting Open Source OS X apps at the Christa McAuliffe conference in NH. It was very cool! As many of you know, the HS project (Maine laptop project) has included some Open Source apps in the image...such as Open Office. There are MANY Linux apps now being ported to OS X....examples include KStars (virtual planetarium), KOffice, Gnumeric, and many more! This will broaden the many programs you can offer your students! Also...another VERY exciting development! The Linux Terminal Server Project (LTSP and K12LTSP) now works on Macs! In fact, at LinuxWorld a couple weeks ago we had a tangerine iBook running as a thin-client! It has been tested on a wide variety of Mac hardware. We can even use a Mac as an LTSP server! I haven't tried it yet, but I bet an Xserve would make an awesome LTSP server. Imagine this! In keeping with the concept of teaching "concepts" vs. teaching programs and specific OS's....you could expose your students to the 3 major OS's and the accompanying programs. Let's say you have a lab of new Mac Minis. First of all they're inexpensive and they're very small. Now let's assume you have a K12LTSP server (Linux Terminal Server)....and possibly a Windows Terminal Server. How do we get all 3 OS's? Simple...to use OS X...the student could simply boot to the local HD...or NetBoot volume (if you have an OS X server)....to use Linux...they simply boot to the Linux Terminal Server and log in....to use Windows...they could either launch the free RDP client from within OS X or simply use rdesktop (as a launcher or menu item) from within Linux. How cool is that! All three platforms....one workstation. Anyway...we'll be offering sessions of this nature at the NE Linux Symposium...so if you're a Mac person and would like to know more about Linux on Macs.... Register here: http://linux.majen.net and/or simply drop me an email Now if I can just convince Jim K and Mike S to come and present....otherwise I have a lot of learning to do... :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From mpribik at zoznam.sk Fri Mar 4 16:55:18 2005 From: mpribik at zoznam.sk (M.Pribik) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 17:55:18 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP and Dan's Guardian References: <42287419.7090706@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <000e01c520da$f2333a10$0100a8c0@Marian> It is not correct. It will filters. The check can be done this way, that I launch WEB browser with no proxy setting and during time I turn on in the browser proxy and I can just see filtering. The problem can be with setting on the proxy in the browser for the user that is somewhere far away. regards Marian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Cockrell" To: Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 3:43 PM Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP and Dan's Guardian > Am I correct in my understanding that installing DG on my K12LTSP box > will *not* filter the Internet access for the clients actually running > from that server? > > -- > C-ya, > Mark > ____ > "Pay attention to your enemies, for they are the first to discover your mistakes." -- Antisthenes > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > __________ Informacia od NOD32 1.1017 (20050302) __________ > > Tato sprava bola preverena antivirusovym systemom NOD32. > http://www.eset.sk > > From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Fri Mar 4 17:08:17 2005 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 11:08:17 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP and Dan's Guardian In-Reply-To: <20050304170039.9C8E2739BB@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050304170039.9C8E2739BB@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <42289601.4010301@honeygroveisd.net> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP and Dan's Guardian > From: > "M.Pribik" > Date: > Fri, 4 Mar 2005 17:55:18 +0100 > To: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > To: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > >It is not correct. It will filters. >The check can be done this way, that I launch WEB browser with no proxy >setting and during time I turn on in the browser >proxy and I can just see filtering. >The problem can be with setting on the proxy in the browser for the user >that is somewhere far away. >regards Marian. > > I must have misunderstood somewhere along the line when this was last discussed. So, you're saying that the base DG install will transparently filter the client's access? C-ya, Mark ____ "The pen is mightier than the sword, and considerably easier to write with." --Marty Feldman From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Mar 4 17:24:54 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 09:24:54 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP and Dan's Guardian In-Reply-To: <42289601.4010301@honeygroveisd.net> References: <20050304170039.9C8E2739BB@hormel.redhat.com> <42289601.4010301@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <422899E6.8060007@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Mark Cockrell wrote: >> > I must have misunderstood somewhere along the line when this was last > discussed. So, you're saying that the base DG install will > transparently filter the client's access? You first asked whether or not DG could *filter* clients on the same server. That is a much different question than whether or not it can *transparently filter* clients on the same server. The short answer is that transparent filtering does not work on the terminal server, you need a separate server to do transparent filtering. Here are few of the frequently asked questions about transparent filtering: http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/WebFiltering%3AIntegration -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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CentOS 4 --> samba-3.0.10 -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Fri Mar 4 17:39:24 2005 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 11:39:24 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP and Dan's Guardian Message-ID: <42289D4C.1040007@honeygroveisd.net> > > >You first asked whether or not DG could *filter* clients on the same >server. That is a much different question than whether or not it can >*transparently filter* clients on the same server. > > >The short answer is that transparent filtering does not work on the >terminal server, you need a separate server to do transparent filtering. > > > Here are few of the frequently asked questions about transparent > filtering: > > http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/WebFiltering%3AIntegration > > > -Eric Ok, I knew I remembered something about something not working somewhere and some time. ;) It's all becoming clear to me now. I can run DG on the K12LTSP server, but I have to configure each user's browser to use port 8080 for proxying. Does that sound right? I had DG setup here long before I setup my K12LTSP box, so it was a non-issue. Now, I'm hoping to replicate my success elsewhere. Thanks. -- C-ya, Mark ____ The United States has never lost a war in which mules were used. From rgm at htt-consult.com Fri Mar 4 17:47:15 2005 From: rgm at htt-consult.com (Robert Moskowitz) Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 12:47:15 -0500 Subject: trouble in Rivercity -- Re: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP script problem In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.1.2.2.20050304021839.03f945e8@localhost> < > <004a01c52097$17e2b090$65c8a8c0@brianwork> < > <6.2.1.2.2.20050304083149.051331d8@localhost> < > <00ac01c520c0$850d05c0$65c8a8c0@brianwork> <6.2.1.2.2.20050304103939.03d5ab48@localhost> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050304124657.05128730@localhost> At 11:27 AM 3/4/2005, David Trask wrote: >What version of Samba does Centos use? 3.0.9-1.3E.1 From rgm at htt-consult.com Fri Mar 4 17:50:03 2005 From: rgm at htt-consult.com (Robert Moskowitz) Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 12:50:03 -0500 Subject: trouble in Rivercity -- Re: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP script problem In-Reply-To: <1109957266.12618.13.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> References: <6.2.1.2.2.20050304021839.03f945e8@localhost> < > <004a01c52097$17e2b090$65c8a8c0@brianwork> < > <6.2.1.2.2.20050304083149.051331d8@localhost> < > <00ac01c520c0$850d05c0$65c8a8c0@brianwork> <6.2.1.2.2.20050304103939.03d5ab48@localhost> <1109957266.12618.13.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050304124949.03d4b888@localhost> At 12:27 PM 3/4/2005, Dan Young wrote: >On Fri, 2005-03-04 at 11:27 -0500, David Trask wrote: > > What version of Samba does Centos use? > >CentOS 4 --> samba-3.0.10 my response was for Centos 3.3 From les at futuresource.com Fri Mar 4 17:56:46 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 11:56:46 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OS X and Linux sessions at Northeast Linux Symposium In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1109959005.13296.30.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2005-03-04 at 10:54, David Trask wrote: > Now let's assume you have a K12LTSP > server (Linux Terminal Server)....and possibly a Windows Terminal Server. > How do we get all 3 OS's? Simple...to use OS X...the student could simply > boot to the local HD...or NetBoot volume (if you have an OS X > server)....to use Linux...they simply boot to the Linux Terminal Server > and log in.... Note that OS X includes a nice X server itself that you should be able to run in query mode or rootless without having to reboot as a client. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Mar 4 18:05:34 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 13:05:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] changing xscreensaver default time...how? In-Reply-To: <1109953992.11074.65.camel@shahms.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <1109953992.11074.65.camel@shahms.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: OK, that's cool...found out what that does, but now I know to clarify my intent. Actually it's the time before the login screen goes blank that I want to adjust. XScreensaver only seems to affect the users session when they're logged in....I need to adjust the time before the monitor goes blank when it's simply sitting at the login screen. Any ideas? "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, March 4, 2005 at 11:33 AM +0000 wrote: >On Fri, 2005-03-04 at 11:19 -0500, David Trask wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> Hopefully a simple question....on my K12LTSP 4.1 server I'd like to >> lenghten the time before the xscreensaver kicks in...I found a couple >> files called XScreensaver and XScreensaver.ltsp in an apps-default >> directory....they're large files (about 665 lines)....do I change >> something in there or is there a different location? >> >> David N. Trask >> Technology Teacher/Coordinator >> Vassalboro Community School >> dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >> (207)923-3100 > >RTFM ;-P > >The XScreensaver file is the one you'd need to edit. The relevant lines >are near the top and are mostly self-explanatory ("timeout" is the one >you probably want). > >-- >Shahms E. King >Multnomah ESD > >Public Key: >http://shahms.mesd.k12.or.us/~sking/shahms.asc >Fingerprint: >1612 054B CE92 8770 F1EA AB1B FEAB 3636 45B2 D75B > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Mar 4 18:29:58 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 13:29:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OS X and Linux sessions at Northeast Linux Symposium In-Reply-To: <1109959005.13296.30.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1109959005.13296.30.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, March 4, 2005 at 12:56 PM +0000 wrote: >Note that OS X includes a nice X server itself that you should be able >to run in query mode or rootless without having to reboot as a client. true...I do that now....that makes another way to access the server.... :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From henryhartley at westat.com Fri Mar 4 18:59:04 2005 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 13:59:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP and Dan's Guardian Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F075A5C9B@remail2.westat.com> On Fri, 04 March 2005 at 12:39 PM, Mark Cockrell said: >> > >> >You first asked whether or not DG could *filter* clients on the >> >same server. That is a much different question than whether or >> >not it can *transparently filter* clients on the same server. >> > >> >The short answer is that transparent filtering does not work >> >on the terminal server, you need a separate server to do >> >transparent filtering. >> >> Ok, I knew I remembered something about something not working >> somewhere and some time. ;) It's all becoming clear to me now. >> I can run DG on the K12LTSP server, but I have to configure each >> user's browser to use port 8080 for proxying. Does that sound >> right? I had DG setup here long before I setup my K12LTSP box, >> so it was a non-issue. Now, I'm hoping to replicate my success >> elsewhere. Thanks. I've set up a firewall using an old PII with Smoothwall Express [1], Squid, and DansGuardian. Smoothwall has a setting to run as a transparent filter. Seems to work pretty well. I don't know if there might be throughput limits but it's worked fine on my small home network. [1] http://www.smoothwall.org/ -- Henry From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Fri Mar 4 21:23:55 2005 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 14:23:55 -0700 (MST) Subject: [K12OSN] SquidGuard won't start Message-ID: <50416.199.216.98.34.1109971435.squirrel@199.216.98.34> I am trying to set up Squid and SquidGuard. It seems that Squid starts, but Squidguard will not start. When I type service squid start .... [FAILED] but then service squid status shows that it is running with 2 processes. I know that it is working, because I can use it as a proxy from another machine in the network. But it will not filter unwanted sites. Is the [FAILED] there because it knows that squidguard did not start properly I also notice that there are TWO config files - squid.conf and squid-squidGuard.conf. Which one of these is used? In the services, do I tell the server to start BOTH squid and squidGuard on startup? Or will it start both when squidguard is started. I ask this because when I put in /etc/init.d/squidguard start it seems to start squid first and then try to start squidguard. ... will only setting squidguard suffice? If both are selected to start on boot, will it load too many processes of itself? any help is appreciated as always Joe Guenther P.S. I have included a few log files & squidGuard.conf... = = = = = = /var/log/squidGuard/squidGuard.log 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5339] init domainlist /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5337] init domainlist /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5340] init domainlist /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5341] init domainlist /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5338] init domainlist /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5340] /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains: Permission denied 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5340] going into emergency mode 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5341] /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains: Permission denied 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5341] going into emergency mode 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5339] /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains: Permission denied 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5339] going into emergency mode 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5338] /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains: Permission denied 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5338] going into emergency mode 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5337] /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains: Permission denied 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5337] going into emergency mode = = = = = = = = /var/log/squid/cache.log 2005/03/03 17:20:43| Preparing for shutdown after 413 requests 2005/03/03 17:20:43| Waiting 30 seconds for active connections to finish 2005/03/03 17:20:43| FD 12 Closing HTTP connection 2005/03/03 17:20:45| Shutting down... 2005/03/03 17:20:45| FD 13 Closing ICP connection 2005/03/03 17:20:45| Closing unlinkd pipe on FD 10 2005/03/03 17:20:45| storeDirWriteCleanLogs: Starting... 2005/03/03 17:20:45| Finished. Wrote 409 entries. 2005/03/03 17:20:45| Took 0.0 seconds (101262.7 entries/sec). CPU Usage: 35.189 seconds = 34.331 user + 0.858 sys Maximum Resident Size: 0 KB Page faults with physical i/o: 1 Memory usage for squid via mallinfo(): total space in arena: 29032 KB Ordinary blocks: 28954 KB 20 blks Small blocks: 0 KB 5 blks Holding blocks: 200 KB 1 blks Free Small blocks: 0 KB Free Ordinary blocks: 77 KB Total in use: 29154 KB 100% Total free: 77 KB 0% 2005/03/03 17:20:45| Squid Cache (Version 2.5.STABLE8): Exiting normally. 2005/03/03 17:21:11| Starting Squid Cache version 2.5.STABLE8 for i386-redhat-linux-gnu... 2005/03/03 17:21:11| Process ID 5315 2005/03/03 17:21:11| With 1024 file descriptors available 2005/03/03 17:21:11| DNS Socket created at 0.0.0.0, port 32775, FD 5 2005/03/03 17:21:11| Adding nameserver 10.24.100.3 from /etc/resolv.conf 2005/03/03 17:21:11| helperOpenServers: Starting 5 'squidGuard' processes 2005/03/03 17:21:43| User-Agent logging is disabled. 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Referer logging is disabled. 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Unlinkd pipe opened on FD 15 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Swap maxSize 102400 KB, estimated 7876 objects 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Target number of buckets: 393 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Using 8192 Store buckets 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Max Mem size: 8192 KB 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Max Swap size: 102400 KB 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Rebuilding storage in /var/spool/squid (CLEAN) 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Using Least Load store dir selection 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Set Current Directory to /var/spool/squid 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Loaded Icons. 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Accepting HTTP connections at 0.0.0.0, port 3128, FD 17. 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Accepting ICP messages at 0.0.0.0, port 3130, FD 18. 2005/03/03 17:21:43| WCCP Disabled. 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Ready to serve requests. 2005/03/03 17:21:44| Done reading /var/spool/squid swaplog (409 entries) 2005/03/03 17:21:44| Finished rebuilding storage from disk. 2005/03/03 17:21:44| 409 Entries scanned 2005/03/03 17:21:44| 0 Invalid entries. 2005/03/03 17:21:44| 0 With invalid flags. 2005/03/03 17:21:44| 409 Objects loaded. 2005/03/03 17:21:44| 0 Objects expired. 2005/03/03 17:21:44| 0 Objects cancelled. 2005/03/03 17:21:44| 0 Duplicate URLs purged. 2005/03/03 17:21:44| 0 Swapfile clashes avoided. 2005/03/03 17:21:44| Took 1.9 seconds ( 213.8 objects/sec). 2005/03/03 17:21:44| Beginning Validation Procedure 2005/03/03 17:21:45| Completed Validation Procedure 2005/03/03 17:21:45| Validated 409 Entries 2005/03/03 17:21:45| store_swap_size = 4096k 2005/03/03 17:21:45| storeLateRelease: released 0 objects = = = = = /etc/squidGuard.conf # # CONFIG FILE FOR SQUIDGUARD # # See http://www.squidguard.org/config/ for more examples # dbhome /var/squidGuard/blacklists logdir /var/log/squidGuard dest ads { log ads domainlist ads/domains urllist ads/urls } dest audio-video { log audio-video domainlist audio-video/domains urllist audio-video/urls } dest aggressive { log aggressive domainlist aggressive/domains urllist aggressive/urls } dest drugs { log drugs domainlist drugs/domains urllist drugs/urls } dest gambling{ log gambling domainlist gambling/domains urllist gambling/urls } dest hacking { log hacking domainlist hacking/domains urllist hacking/urls } dest mail { log mail domainlist mail/domains urllist mail/urls } dest porn{ log porn domainlist porn/domains urllist porn/urls } dest proxy{ log proxy domainlist proxy/domains urllist proxy/urls } dest violence{ log violence domainlist violence/domains urllist violence/urls } dest warez{ log warez domainlist warez/domains urllist warez/urls } dest local-ok{ domainlist local-ok/domains urllist local-ok/urls } dest local-block{ log local-block domainlist local-block/domains urllist local-block/urls } rewrite google { s@(google.com/search.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i s@(google.com/images.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i s@(google.com/groups.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i s@(google.com/news.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i # log google } acl { default { # for google to be in "safe mode" rewrite google # the default categories are conservative, please add any additional # categories listed above or simply comment out this line and uncomment # out the line below it. pass local-ok !local-block !gambling !porn !warez all # pass local-ok !local-block !aggressive !drugs !gambling !hacking !porn !proxy !violence !warez all redirect 302:http://squid.chinooksedge.ab.ca/cgi-bin/squidGuard.cgi?clientaddr=%a&clientname=%n&clientident=%i&srcclass=%s&targetgroup=%t&url=%u # redirect 302:http://squid.chinooksedge.ab.ca/cgi-bin/squidGuard-simple.cgi?clientaddr=%a&clientname=%n&clientident=%i&srcclass=%s&targetclass=%t&url=%u } } = = = = = = = = = = = = = Lantech - Didsbury Chinook's Edge School Div. From adammelancon at gmail.com Fri Mar 4 22:26:47 2005 From: adammelancon at gmail.com (Adam Melancon) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 16:26:47 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] SquidGuard won't start In-Reply-To: <50416.199.216.98.34.1109971435.squirrel@199.216.98.34> References: <50416.199.216.98.34.1109971435.squirrel@199.216.98.34> Message-ID: <48928761050304142665499a5c@mail.gmail.com> If you are using squidguard, not just squid, use squid-squidguard.conf and only start /etc/init.d/squidguard Check out my "important files" section of my how-to http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us/sysadminsite/squidguard/ Important Files: /etc/squid/squid-squidGuard.conf - this is the configuration file for squid. There are two files, one is squid.conf the other is squid-squidGuard.conf, ignore squid.conf and use the squidGuard.conf file to configure squid. squid.conf is there if you are only running squid with no squidguard. /etc/squid/squidGuard.conf - This file is to configure squidGuard /var/log/squidGuard/squidGuard.log - this file will tell you if there is a problem with squid, or if it started correctly. /var/log/squid/access.log - If your traffic is routing correctly you will see EVERY web request in this file. You can see this by typing "tail -f /var/log/squid/access.log" /var/squidGuard/blacklists/(porn|warez|gambling|etc)/domains /var/squidGuard/blacklists/(porn|warez|gambling|etc)/urls These files (domains, urls) are the text files that contain the sites that are to be blocked. When the server is restarted each of these directores will now have a database file (domains.db, urls.db) built from these text files that squidguard will use to filter with. /etc/rc.d/rc.local - This is kind of like a startup file for Linux. I use it to run an iptables script that redirects incoming port 80 traffic to port 3128 /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf - apache's config file Enjoy! On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 14:23:55 -0700 (MST), Joe Guenther wrote: > I am trying to set up Squid and SquidGuard. > > It seems that Squid starts, but Squidguard will not start. When I type > service squid start .... [FAILED] > but then > service squid status shows that it is running with 2 processes. I know > that it is working, because I can use it as a proxy from another machine > in the network. But it will not filter unwanted sites. Is the [FAILED] > there because it knows that squidguard did not start properly > > I also notice that there are TWO config files - squid.conf and > squid-squidGuard.conf. Which one of these is used? > > In the services, do I tell the server to start BOTH squid and squidGuard > on startup? Or will it start both when squidguard is started. I ask this > because when I put in /etc/init.d/squidguard start it seems to start squid > first and then try to start squidguard. ... will only setting squidguard > suffice? If both are selected to start on boot, will it load too many > processes of itself? > > any help is appreciated as always > Joe Guenther > > P.S. I have included a few log files & squidGuard.conf... > = = = = = = > /var/log/squidGuard/squidGuard.log > > 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5339] init domainlist > /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains > 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5337] init domainlist > /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains > 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5340] init domainlist > /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains > 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5341] init domainlist > /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains > 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5338] init domainlist > /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains > 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5340] /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains: > Permission denied > 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5340] going into emergency mode > 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5341] /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains: > Permission denied > 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5341] going into emergency mode > 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5339] /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains: > Permission denied > 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5339] going into emergency mode > 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5338] /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains: > Permission denied > 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5338] going into emergency mode > 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5337] /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains: > Permission denied > 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5337] going into emergency mode > > = = = = = = = = > /var/log/squid/cache.log > > 2005/03/03 17:20:43| Preparing for shutdown after 413 requests > 2005/03/03 17:20:43| Waiting 30 seconds for active connections to finish > 2005/03/03 17:20:43| FD 12 Closing HTTP connection > 2005/03/03 17:20:45| Shutting down... > 2005/03/03 17:20:45| FD 13 Closing ICP connection > 2005/03/03 17:20:45| Closing unlinkd pipe on FD 10 > 2005/03/03 17:20:45| storeDirWriteCleanLogs: Starting... > 2005/03/03 17:20:45| Finished. Wrote 409 entries. > 2005/03/03 17:20:45| Took 0.0 seconds (101262.7 entries/sec). > CPU Usage: 35.189 seconds = 34.331 user + 0.858 sys > Maximum Resident Size: 0 KB > Page faults with physical i/o: 1 > Memory usage for squid via mallinfo(): > total space in arena: 29032 KB > Ordinary blocks: 28954 KB 20 blks > Small blocks: 0 KB 5 blks > Holding blocks: 200 KB 1 blks > Free Small blocks: 0 KB > Free Ordinary blocks: 77 KB > Total in use: 29154 KB 100% > Total free: 77 KB 0% > 2005/03/03 17:20:45| Squid Cache (Version 2.5.STABLE8): Exiting normally. > 2005/03/03 17:21:11| Starting Squid Cache version 2.5.STABLE8 for > i386-redhat-linux-gnu... > 2005/03/03 17:21:11| Process ID 5315 > 2005/03/03 17:21:11| With 1024 file descriptors available > 2005/03/03 17:21:11| DNS Socket created at 0.0.0.0, port 32775, FD 5 > 2005/03/03 17:21:11| Adding nameserver 10.24.100.3 from /etc/resolv.conf > 2005/03/03 17:21:11| helperOpenServers: Starting 5 'squidGuard' processes > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| User-Agent logging is disabled. > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Referer logging is disabled. > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Unlinkd pipe opened on FD 15 > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Swap maxSize 102400 KB, estimated 7876 objects > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Target number of buckets: 393 > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Using 8192 Store buckets > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Max Mem size: 8192 KB > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Max Swap size: 102400 KB > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Rebuilding storage in /var/spool/squid (CLEAN) > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Using Least Load store dir selection > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Set Current Directory to /var/spool/squid > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Loaded Icons. > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Accepting HTTP connections at 0.0.0.0, port 3128, FD 17. > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Accepting ICP messages at 0.0.0.0, port 3130, FD 18. > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| WCCP Disabled. > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Ready to serve requests. > 2005/03/03 17:21:44| Done reading /var/spool/squid swaplog (409 entries) > 2005/03/03 17:21:44| Finished rebuilding storage from disk. > 2005/03/03 17:21:44| 409 Entries scanned > 2005/03/03 17:21:44| 0 Invalid entries. > 2005/03/03 17:21:44| 0 With invalid flags. > 2005/03/03 17:21:44| 409 Objects loaded. > 2005/03/03 17:21:44| 0 Objects expired. > 2005/03/03 17:21:44| 0 Objects cancelled. > 2005/03/03 17:21:44| 0 Duplicate URLs purged. > 2005/03/03 17:21:44| 0 Swapfile clashes avoided. > 2005/03/03 17:21:44| Took 1.9 seconds ( 213.8 objects/sec). > 2005/03/03 17:21:44| Beginning Validation Procedure > 2005/03/03 17:21:45| Completed Validation Procedure > 2005/03/03 17:21:45| Validated 409 Entries > 2005/03/03 17:21:45| store_swap_size = 4096k > 2005/03/03 17:21:45| storeLateRelease: released 0 objects > > = = = = = > /etc/squidGuard.conf > > # > # CONFIG FILE FOR SQUIDGUARD > # > # See http://www.squidguard.org/config/ for more examples > # > > dbhome /var/squidGuard/blacklists > logdir /var/log/squidGuard > > dest ads { > log ads > domainlist ads/domains > urllist ads/urls > } > > dest audio-video { > log audio-video > domainlist audio-video/domains > urllist audio-video/urls > } > > dest aggressive { > log aggressive > domainlist aggressive/domains > urllist aggressive/urls > } > > dest drugs { > log drugs > domainlist drugs/domains > urllist drugs/urls > } > > dest gambling{ > log gambling > domainlist gambling/domains > urllist gambling/urls > } > > dest hacking { > log hacking > domainlist hacking/domains > urllist hacking/urls > } > > dest mail { > log mail > domainlist mail/domains > urllist mail/urls > } > > dest porn{ > log porn > domainlist porn/domains > urllist porn/urls > } > > dest proxy{ > log proxy > domainlist proxy/domains > urllist proxy/urls > } > > dest violence{ > log violence > domainlist violence/domains > urllist violence/urls > } > > dest warez{ > log warez > domainlist warez/domains > urllist warez/urls > } > > dest local-ok{ > domainlist local-ok/domains > urllist local-ok/urls > } > > dest local-block{ > log local-block > domainlist local-block/domains > urllist local-block/urls > } > > rewrite google { > s@(google.com/search.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i > s@(google.com/images.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i > s@(google.com/groups.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i > s@(google.com/news.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i > # log google > } > > acl { > default { > # for google to be in "safe mode" > rewrite google > > # the default categories are conservative, please add any additional > # categories listed above or simply comment out this line and uncomment > # out the line below it. > pass local-ok !local-block !gambling !porn !warez all > # pass local-ok !local-block !aggressive !drugs !gambling !hacking > !porn !proxy !violence !warez all > > redirect > 302:http://squid.chinooksedge.ab.ca/cgi-bin/squidGuard.cgi?clientaddr=%a&clientname=%n&clientident=%i&srcclass=%s&targetgroup=%t&url=%u > # redirect > 302:http://squid.chinooksedge.ab.ca/cgi-bin/squidGuard-simple.cgi?clientaddr=%a&clientname=%n&clientident=%i&srcclass=%s&targetclass=%t&url=%u > } > } > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = > Lantech - Didsbury > Chinook's Edge School Div. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Adam Melancon Work: http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us Personal: http://www.melancon.org From adammelancon at gmail.com Fri Mar 4 22:29:22 2005 From: adammelancon at gmail.com (Adam Melancon) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 16:29:22 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] SquidGuard won't start In-Reply-To: <48928761050304142665499a5c@mail.gmail.com> References: <50416.199.216.98.34.1109971435.squirrel@199.216.98.34> <48928761050304142665499a5c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4892876105030414296626041a@mail.gmail.com> I would include this how-to in the k12ltsp wiki if people could use it, but I've never added to a wiki before ;) So if anyone wants to add it, feel free. Also check out the section on important scripts: Important Scripts: /etc/init.d/squidguard - this starts and stops squid and squidguard examples: /etc/init.d/squidguard start /etc/init.d/squidguard restart /etc/init.d/squidguard stop /etc/init.d/httpd - this starts and stops apache, use the same as above /usr/sbin/update_squidguard_blacklists - this script updates and rebuilds and restarts the squid/squidguard service this file is run nightly from a cron file /etc/cron.d/squidGuard On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 16:26:47 -0600, Adam Melancon wrote: > If you are using squidguard, not just squid, use squid-squidguard.conf > and only start /etc/init.d/squidguard > > Check out my "important files" section of my how-to > http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us/sysadminsite/squidguard/ > > Important Files: > > /etc/squid/squid-squidGuard.conf - this is the configuration file > for squid. There are two files, one is squid.conf the other is > squid-squidGuard.conf, ignore squid.conf and use the squidGuard.conf > file to configure squid. squid.conf is there if you are only running > squid with no squidguard. > > /etc/squid/squidGuard.conf - This file is to configure squidGuard > > /var/log/squidGuard/squidGuard.log - this file will tell you if > there is a problem with squid, or if it started correctly. > > /var/log/squid/access.log - If your traffic is routing correctly you > will see EVERY web request in this file. You can see this by typing > "tail -f /var/log/squid/access.log" > > /var/squidGuard/blacklists/(porn|warez|gambling|etc)/domains > /var/squidGuard/blacklists/(porn|warez|gambling|etc)/urls > These files (domains, urls) are the text files that contain the sites > that are to be blocked. When the server is restarted each of these > directores will now have a database file (domains.db, urls.db) built > from these text files that squidguard will use to filter with. > > /etc/rc.d/rc.local - This is kind of like a startup file for Linux. > I use it to run an iptables script that redirects incoming port 80 > traffic to port 3128 > > /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf - apache's config file > > Enjoy! > > > On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 14:23:55 -0700 (MST), Joe Guenther > wrote: > > I am trying to set up Squid and SquidGuard. > > > > It seems that Squid starts, but Squidguard will not start. When I type > > service squid start .... [FAILED] > > but then > > service squid status shows that it is running with 2 processes. I know > > that it is working, because I can use it as a proxy from another machine > > in the network. But it will not filter unwanted sites. Is the [FAILED] > > there because it knows that squidguard did not start properly > > > > I also notice that there are TWO config files - squid.conf and > > squid-squidGuard.conf. Which one of these is used? > > > > In the services, do I tell the server to start BOTH squid and squidGuard > > on startup? Or will it start both when squidguard is started. I ask this > > because when I put in /etc/init.d/squidguard start it seems to start squid > > first and then try to start squidguard. ... will only setting squidguard > > suffice? If both are selected to start on boot, will it load too many > > processes of itself? > > > > any help is appreciated as always > > Joe Guenther > > > > P.S. I have included a few log files & squidGuard.conf... > > = = = = = = > > /var/log/squidGuard/squidGuard.log > > > > 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5339] init domainlist > > /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains > > 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5337] init domainlist > > /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains > > 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5340] init domainlist > > /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains > > 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5341] init domainlist > > /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains > > 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5338] init domainlist > > /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains > > 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5340] /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains: > > Permission denied > > 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5340] going into emergency mode > > 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5341] /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains: > > Permission denied > > 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5341] going into emergency mode > > 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5339] /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains: > > Permission denied > > 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5339] going into emergency mode > > 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5338] /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains: > > Permission denied > > 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5338] going into emergency mode > > 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5337] /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains: > > Permission denied > > 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5337] going into emergency mode > > > > = = = = = = = = > > /var/log/squid/cache.log > > > > 2005/03/03 17:20:43| Preparing for shutdown after 413 requests > > 2005/03/03 17:20:43| Waiting 30 seconds for active connections to finish > > 2005/03/03 17:20:43| FD 12 Closing HTTP connection > > 2005/03/03 17:20:45| Shutting down... > > 2005/03/03 17:20:45| FD 13 Closing ICP connection > > 2005/03/03 17:20:45| Closing unlinkd pipe on FD 10 > > 2005/03/03 17:20:45| storeDirWriteCleanLogs: Starting... > > 2005/03/03 17:20:45| Finished. Wrote 409 entries. > > 2005/03/03 17:20:45| Took 0.0 seconds (101262.7 entries/sec). > > CPU Usage: 35.189 seconds = 34.331 user + 0.858 sys > > Maximum Resident Size: 0 KB > > Page faults with physical i/o: 1 > > Memory usage for squid via mallinfo(): > > total space in arena: 29032 KB > > Ordinary blocks: 28954 KB 20 blks > > Small blocks: 0 KB 5 blks > > Holding blocks: 200 KB 1 blks > > Free Small blocks: 0 KB > > Free Ordinary blocks: 77 KB > > Total in use: 29154 KB 100% > > Total free: 77 KB 0% > > 2005/03/03 17:20:45| Squid Cache (Version 2.5.STABLE8): Exiting normally. > > 2005/03/03 17:21:11| Starting Squid Cache version 2.5.STABLE8 for > > i386-redhat-linux-gnu... > > 2005/03/03 17:21:11| Process ID 5315 > > 2005/03/03 17:21:11| With 1024 file descriptors available > > 2005/03/03 17:21:11| DNS Socket created at 0.0.0.0, port 32775, FD 5 > > 2005/03/03 17:21:11| Adding nameserver 10.24.100.3 from /etc/resolv.conf > > 2005/03/03 17:21:11| helperOpenServers: Starting 5 'squidGuard' processes > > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| User-Agent logging is disabled. > > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Referer logging is disabled. > > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Unlinkd pipe opened on FD 15 > > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Swap maxSize 102400 KB, estimated 7876 objects > > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Target number of buckets: 393 > > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Using 8192 Store buckets > > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Max Mem size: 8192 KB > > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Max Swap size: 102400 KB > > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Rebuilding storage in /var/spool/squid (CLEAN) > > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Using Least Load store dir selection > > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Set Current Directory to /var/spool/squid > > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Loaded Icons. > > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Accepting HTTP connections at 0.0.0.0, port 3128, FD 17. > > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Accepting ICP messages at 0.0.0.0, port 3130, FD 18. > > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| WCCP Disabled. > > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Ready to serve requests. > > 2005/03/03 17:21:44| Done reading /var/spool/squid swaplog (409 entries) > > 2005/03/03 17:21:44| Finished rebuilding storage from disk. > > 2005/03/03 17:21:44| 409 Entries scanned > > 2005/03/03 17:21:44| 0 Invalid entries. > > 2005/03/03 17:21:44| 0 With invalid flags. > > 2005/03/03 17:21:44| 409 Objects loaded. > > 2005/03/03 17:21:44| 0 Objects expired. > > 2005/03/03 17:21:44| 0 Objects cancelled. > > 2005/03/03 17:21:44| 0 Duplicate URLs purged. > > 2005/03/03 17:21:44| 0 Swapfile clashes avoided. > > 2005/03/03 17:21:44| Took 1.9 seconds ( 213.8 objects/sec). > > 2005/03/03 17:21:44| Beginning Validation Procedure > > 2005/03/03 17:21:45| Completed Validation Procedure > > 2005/03/03 17:21:45| Validated 409 Entries > > 2005/03/03 17:21:45| store_swap_size = 4096k > > 2005/03/03 17:21:45| storeLateRelease: released 0 objects > > > > = = = = = > > /etc/squidGuard.conf > > > > # > > # CONFIG FILE FOR SQUIDGUARD > > # > > # See http://www.squidguard.org/config/ for more examples > > # > > > > dbhome /var/squidGuard/blacklists > > logdir /var/log/squidGuard > > > > dest ads { > > log ads > > domainlist ads/domains > > urllist ads/urls > > } > > > > dest audio-video { > > log audio-video > > domainlist audio-video/domains > > urllist audio-video/urls > > } > > > > dest aggressive { > > log aggressive > > domainlist aggressive/domains > > urllist aggressive/urls > > } > > > > dest drugs { > > log drugs > > domainlist drugs/domains > > urllist drugs/urls > > } > > > > dest gambling{ > > log gambling > > domainlist gambling/domains > > urllist gambling/urls > > } > > > > dest hacking { > > log hacking > > domainlist hacking/domains > > urllist hacking/urls > > } > > > > dest mail { > > log mail > > domainlist mail/domains > > urllist mail/urls > > } > > > > dest porn{ > > log porn > > domainlist porn/domains > > urllist porn/urls > > } > > > > dest proxy{ > > log proxy > > domainlist proxy/domains > > urllist proxy/urls > > } > > > > dest violence{ > > log violence > > domainlist violence/domains > > urllist violence/urls > > } > > > > dest warez{ > > log warez > > domainlist warez/domains > > urllist warez/urls > > } > > > > dest local-ok{ > > domainlist local-ok/domains > > urllist local-ok/urls > > } > > > > dest local-block{ > > log local-block > > domainlist local-block/domains > > urllist local-block/urls > > } > > > > rewrite google { > > s@(google.com/search.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i > > s@(google.com/images.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i > > s@(google.com/groups.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i > > s@(google.com/news.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i > > # log google > > } > > > > acl { > > default { > > # for google to be in "safe mode" > > rewrite google > > > > # the default categories are conservative, please add any additional > > # categories listed above or simply comment out this line and uncomment > > # out the line below it. > > pass local-ok !local-block !gambling !porn !warez all > > # pass local-ok !local-block !aggressive !drugs !gambling !hacking > > !porn !proxy !violence !warez all > > > > redirect > > 302:http://squid.chinooksedge.ab.ca/cgi-bin/squidGuard.cgi?clientaddr=%a&clientname=%n&clientident=%i&srcclass=%s&targetgroup=%t&url=%u > > # redirect > > 302:http://squid.chinooksedge.ab.ca/cgi-bin/squidGuard-simple.cgi?clientaddr=%a&clientname=%n&clientident=%i&srcclass=%s&targetclass=%t&url=%u > > } > > } > > > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = > > Lantech - Didsbury > > Chinook's Edge School Div. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > -- > Adam Melancon > Work: http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us > Personal: http://www.melancon.org > -- Adam Melancon Work: http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us Personal: http://www.melancon.org From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Sat Mar 5 00:19:46 2005 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 17:19:46 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] SquidGuard won't start In-Reply-To: <48928761050304142665499a5c@mail.gmail.com> References: <50416.199.216.98.34.1109971435.squirrel@199.216.98.34> <48928761050304142665499a5c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4228FB22.4040904@chinooksedge.ab.ca> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steve.honeycutt at gmail.com Sat Mar 5 01:26:18 2005 From: steve.honeycutt at gmail.com (Steve Honeycutt) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 19:26:18 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - Gmail Invites In-Reply-To: <1109850713.3442.2.camel@linux2> References: <61bfa743050302132431e6b4b@mail.gmail.com> <1109850713.3442.2.camel@linux2> Message-ID: <61bfa74305030417262f580f23@mail.gmail.com> Sorry for the delay... you should have the invite now. On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 08:51:53 -0300, Leonardo Gon?alves de Ulh?a Jr. wrote: > Hi: > > If you still have some invitation, please send one to me at: > leoulhoa at yahoo.com.br . Gmail is very useful. > > Thank you very much. > > Leonardo Jr. > -- Best Regards, Steve www.slicehaven.com From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Sat Mar 5 02:33:33 2005 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 19:33:33 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] SquidGuard won't start In-Reply-To: <489287610503041659280be4af@mail.gmail.com> References: <50416.199.216.98.34.1109971435.squirrel@199.216.98.34> <48928761050304142665499a5c@mail.gmail.com> <4228FB22.4040904@chinooksedge.ab.ca> <489287610503041659280be4af@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42291A7D.7040008@chinooksedge.ab.ca> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us Sat Mar 5 02:49:15 2005 From: mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us (mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 21:49:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] SquidGuard won't start In-Reply-To: <50416.199.216.98.34.1109971435.squirrel@199.216.98.34> References: <50416.199.216.98.34.1109971435.squirrel@199.216.98.34> Message-ID: <1641.24.2.210.202.1109990955.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> If your using FC3 with SELINUX enabled (K12LTSP 4.2.0), there is a problem with squidGuard and SELinux. See https://listman.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2005-January/msg00188.html from Eric Harrison for how to fix it. Mark Orenstein East Granby, CT School System > I am trying to set up Squid and SquidGuard. > > It seems that Squid starts, but Squidguard will not start. When I type > service squid start .... [FAILED] > but then > service squid status shows that it is running with 2 processes. I know > that it is working, because I can use it as a proxy from another machine > in the network. But it will not filter unwanted sites. Is the [FAILED] > there because it knows that squidguard did not start properly > > I also notice that there are TWO config files - squid.conf and > squid-squidGuard.conf. Which one of these is used? > > In the services, do I tell the server to start BOTH squid and squidGuard > on startup? Or will it start both when squidguard is started. I ask this > because when I put in /etc/init.d/squidguard start it seems to start squid > first and then try to start squidguard. ... will only setting squidguard > suffice? If both are selected to start on boot, will it load too many > processes of itself? > > any help is appreciated as always > Joe Guenther > > P.S. I have included a few log files & squidGuard.conf... > = = = = = = > /var/log/squidGuard/squidGuard.log > > 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5339] init domainlist > /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains > 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5337] init domainlist > /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains > 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5340] init domainlist > /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains > 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5341] init domainlist > /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains > 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5338] init domainlist > /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains > 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5340] /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains: > Permission denied > 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5340] going into emergency mode > 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5341] /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains: > Permission denied > 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5341] going into emergency mode > 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5339] /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains: > Permission denied > 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5339] going into emergency mode > 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5338] /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains: > Permission denied > 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5338] going into emergency mode > 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5337] /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains: > Permission denied > 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5337] going into emergency mode > > = = = = = = = = > /var/log/squid/cache.log > > 2005/03/03 17:20:43| Preparing for shutdown after 413 requests > 2005/03/03 17:20:43| Waiting 30 seconds for active connections to finish > 2005/03/03 17:20:43| FD 12 Closing HTTP connection > 2005/03/03 17:20:45| Shutting down... > 2005/03/03 17:20:45| FD 13 Closing ICP connection > 2005/03/03 17:20:45| Closing unlinkd pipe on FD 10 > 2005/03/03 17:20:45| storeDirWriteCleanLogs: Starting... > 2005/03/03 17:20:45| Finished. Wrote 409 entries. > 2005/03/03 17:20:45| Took 0.0 seconds (101262.7 entries/sec). > CPU Usage: 35.189 seconds = 34.331 user + 0.858 sys > Maximum Resident Size: 0 KB > Page faults with physical i/o: 1 > Memory usage for squid via mallinfo(): > total space in arena: 29032 KB > Ordinary blocks: 28954 KB 20 blks > Small blocks: 0 KB 5 blks > Holding blocks: 200 KB 1 blks > Free Small blocks: 0 KB > Free Ordinary blocks: 77 KB > Total in use: 29154 KB 100% > Total free: 77 KB 0% > 2005/03/03 17:20:45| Squid Cache (Version 2.5.STABLE8): Exiting normally. > 2005/03/03 17:21:11| Starting Squid Cache version 2.5.STABLE8 for > i386-redhat-linux-gnu... > 2005/03/03 17:21:11| Process ID 5315 > 2005/03/03 17:21:11| With 1024 file descriptors available > 2005/03/03 17:21:11| DNS Socket created at 0.0.0.0, port 32775, FD 5 > 2005/03/03 17:21:11| Adding nameserver 10.24.100.3 from /etc/resolv.conf > 2005/03/03 17:21:11| helperOpenServers: Starting 5 'squidGuard' processes > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| User-Agent logging is disabled. > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Referer logging is disabled. > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Unlinkd pipe opened on FD 15 > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Swap maxSize 102400 KB, estimated 7876 objects > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Target number of buckets: 393 > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Using 8192 Store buckets > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Max Mem size: 8192 KB > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Max Swap size: 102400 KB > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Rebuilding storage in /var/spool/squid (CLEAN) > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Using Least Load store dir selection > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Set Current Directory to /var/spool/squid > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Loaded Icons. > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Accepting HTTP connections at 0.0.0.0, port 3128, FD > 17. > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Accepting ICP messages at 0.0.0.0, port 3130, FD 18. > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| WCCP Disabled. > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Ready to serve requests. > 2005/03/03 17:21:44| Done reading /var/spool/squid swaplog (409 entries) > 2005/03/03 17:21:44| Finished rebuilding storage from disk. > 2005/03/03 17:21:44| 409 Entries scanned > 2005/03/03 17:21:44| 0 Invalid entries. > 2005/03/03 17:21:44| 0 With invalid flags. > 2005/03/03 17:21:44| 409 Objects loaded. > 2005/03/03 17:21:44| 0 Objects expired. > 2005/03/03 17:21:44| 0 Objects cancelled. > 2005/03/03 17:21:44| 0 Duplicate URLs purged. > 2005/03/03 17:21:44| 0 Swapfile clashes avoided. > 2005/03/03 17:21:44| Took 1.9 seconds ( 213.8 objects/sec). > 2005/03/03 17:21:44| Beginning Validation Procedure > 2005/03/03 17:21:45| Completed Validation Procedure > 2005/03/03 17:21:45| Validated 409 Entries > 2005/03/03 17:21:45| store_swap_size = 4096k > 2005/03/03 17:21:45| storeLateRelease: released 0 objects > > = = = = = > /etc/squidGuard.conf > > # > # CONFIG FILE FOR SQUIDGUARD > # > # See http://www.squidguard.org/config/ for more examples > # > > dbhome /var/squidGuard/blacklists > logdir /var/log/squidGuard > > dest ads { > log ads > domainlist ads/domains > urllist ads/urls > } > > dest audio-video { > log audio-video > domainlist audio-video/domains > urllist audio-video/urls > } > > dest aggressive { > log aggressive > domainlist aggressive/domains > urllist aggressive/urls > } > > dest drugs { > log drugs > domainlist drugs/domains > urllist drugs/urls > } > > dest gambling{ > log gambling > domainlist gambling/domains > urllist gambling/urls > } > > dest hacking { > log hacking > domainlist hacking/domains > urllist hacking/urls > } > > dest mail { > log mail > domainlist mail/domains > urllist mail/urls > } > > dest porn{ > log porn > domainlist porn/domains > urllist porn/urls > } > > dest proxy{ > log proxy > domainlist proxy/domains > urllist proxy/urls > } > > dest violence{ > log violence > domainlist violence/domains > urllist violence/urls > } > > dest warez{ > log warez > domainlist warez/domains > urllist warez/urls > } > > dest local-ok{ > domainlist local-ok/domains > urllist local-ok/urls > } > > dest local-block{ > log local-block > domainlist local-block/domains > urllist local-block/urls > } > > rewrite google { > s@(google.com/search.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i > s@(google.com/images.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i > s@(google.com/groups.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i > s@(google.com/news.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i > # log google > } > > acl { > default { > # for google to be in "safe mode" > rewrite google > > # the default categories are conservative, please add any additional > # categories listed above or simply comment out this line and uncomment > # out the line below it. > pass local-ok !local-block !gambling !porn !warez all > # pass local-ok !local-block !aggressive !drugs !gambling !hacking > !porn !proxy !violence !warez all > > redirect > 302:http://squid.chinooksedge.ab.ca/cgi-bin/squidGuard.cgi?clientaddr=%a&clientname=%n&clientident=%i&srcclass=%s&targetgroup=%t&url=%u > # redirect > 302:http://squid.chinooksedge.ab.ca/cgi-bin/squidGuard-simple.cgi?clientaddr=%a&clientname=%n&clientident=%i&srcclass=%s&targetclass=%t&url=%u > } > } > > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = > Lantech - Didsbury > Chinook's Edge School Div. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From morenstein at alum.mit.edu Sat Mar 5 02:46:27 2005 From: morenstein at alum.mit.edu (Mark Orenstein) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 21:46:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SquidGuard won't start In-Reply-To: <50416.199.216.98.34.1109971435.squirrel@199.216.98.34> Message-ID: <200503050318.j253IMkW024315@mx1.redhat.com> If your using FC3 with SELINUX enabled (K12LTSP 4.2.0), there is a problem with squidGuard and SELinux. See https://listman.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2005-January/msg00188.html from Eric Harrison Mark Orenstein East Granby, CT School System -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Joe Guenther Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 4:24 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] SquidGuard won't start I am trying to set up Squid and SquidGuard. It seems that Squid starts, but Squidguard will not start. When I type service squid start .... [FAILED] but then service squid status shows that it is running with 2 processes. I know that it is working, because I can use it as a proxy from another machine in the network. But it will not filter unwanted sites. Is the [FAILED] there because it knows that squidguard did not start properly I also notice that there are TWO config files - squid.conf and squid-squidGuard.conf. Which one of these is used? In the services, do I tell the server to start BOTH squid and squidGuard on startup? Or will it start both when squidguard is started. I ask this because when I put in /etc/init.d/squidguard start it seems to start squid first and then try to start squidguard. ... will only setting squidguard suffice? If both are selected to start on boot, will it load too many processes of itself? any help is appreciated as always Joe Guenther P.S. I have included a few log files & squidGuard.conf... = = = = = = /var/log/squidGuard/squidGuard.log 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5339] init domainlist /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5337] init domainlist /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5340] init domainlist /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5341] init domainlist /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5338] init domainlist /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5340] /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains: Permission denied 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5340] going into emergency mode 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5341] /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains: Permission denied 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5341] going into emergency mode 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5339] /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains: Permission denied 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5339] going into emergency mode 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5338] /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains: Permission denied 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5338] going into emergency mode 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5337] /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains: Permission denied 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5337] going into emergency mode = = = = = = = = /var/log/squid/cache.log 2005/03/03 17:20:43| Preparing for shutdown after 413 requests 2005/03/03 17:20:43| Waiting 30 seconds for active connections to finish 2005/03/03 17:20:43| FD 12 Closing HTTP connection 2005/03/03 17:20:45| Shutting down... 2005/03/03 17:20:45| FD 13 Closing ICP connection 2005/03/03 17:20:45| Closing unlinkd pipe on FD 10 2005/03/03 17:20:45| storeDirWriteCleanLogs: Starting... 2005/03/03 17:20:45| Finished. Wrote 409 entries. 2005/03/03 17:20:45| Took 0.0 seconds (101262.7 entries/sec). CPU Usage: 35.189 seconds = 34.331 user + 0.858 sys Maximum Resident Size: 0 KB Page faults with physical i/o: 1 Memory usage for squid via mallinfo(): total space in arena: 29032 KB Ordinary blocks: 28954 KB 20 blks Small blocks: 0 KB 5 blks Holding blocks: 200 KB 1 blks Free Small blocks: 0 KB Free Ordinary blocks: 77 KB Total in use: 29154 KB 100% Total free: 77 KB 0% 2005/03/03 17:20:45| Squid Cache (Version 2.5.STABLE8): Exiting normally. 2005/03/03 17:21:11| Starting Squid Cache version 2.5.STABLE8 for i386-redhat-linux-gnu... 2005/03/03 17:21:11| Process ID 5315 2005/03/03 17:21:11| With 1024 file descriptors available 2005/03/03 17:21:11| DNS Socket created at 0.0.0.0, port 32775, FD 5 2005/03/03 17:21:11| Adding nameserver 10.24.100.3 from /etc/resolv.conf 2005/03/03 17:21:11| helperOpenServers: Starting 5 'squidGuard' processes 2005/03/03 17:21:43| User-Agent logging is disabled. 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Referer logging is disabled. 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Unlinkd pipe opened on FD 15 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Swap maxSize 102400 KB, estimated 7876 objects 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Target number of buckets: 393 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Using 8192 Store buckets 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Max Mem size: 8192 KB 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Max Swap size: 102400 KB 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Rebuilding storage in /var/spool/squid (CLEAN) 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Using Least Load store dir selection 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Set Current Directory to /var/spool/squid 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Loaded Icons. 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Accepting HTTP connections at 0.0.0.0, port 3128, FD 17. 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Accepting ICP messages at 0.0.0.0, port 3130, FD 18. 2005/03/03 17:21:43| WCCP Disabled. 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Ready to serve requests. 2005/03/03 17:21:44| Done reading /var/spool/squid swaplog (409 entries) 2005/03/03 17:21:44| Finished rebuilding storage from disk. 2005/03/03 17:21:44| 409 Entries scanned 2005/03/03 17:21:44| 0 Invalid entries. 2005/03/03 17:21:44| 0 With invalid flags. 2005/03/03 17:21:44| 409 Objects loaded. 2005/03/03 17:21:44| 0 Objects expired. 2005/03/03 17:21:44| 0 Objects cancelled. 2005/03/03 17:21:44| 0 Duplicate URLs purged. 2005/03/03 17:21:44| 0 Swapfile clashes avoided. 2005/03/03 17:21:44| Took 1.9 seconds ( 213.8 objects/sec). 2005/03/03 17:21:44| Beginning Validation Procedure 2005/03/03 17:21:45| Completed Validation Procedure 2005/03/03 17:21:45| Validated 409 Entries 2005/03/03 17:21:45| store_swap_size = 4096k 2005/03/03 17:21:45| storeLateRelease: released 0 objects = = = = = /etc/squidGuard.conf # # CONFIG FILE FOR SQUIDGUARD # # See http://www.squidguard.org/config/ for more examples # dbhome /var/squidGuard/blacklists logdir /var/log/squidGuard dest ads { log ads domainlist ads/domains urllist ads/urls } dest audio-video { log audio-video domainlist audio-video/domains urllist audio-video/urls } dest aggressive { log aggressive domainlist aggressive/domains urllist aggressive/urls } dest drugs { log drugs domainlist drugs/domains urllist drugs/urls } dest gambling{ log gambling domainlist gambling/domains urllist gambling/urls } dest hacking { log hacking domainlist hacking/domains urllist hacking/urls } dest mail { log mail domainlist mail/domains urllist mail/urls } dest porn{ log porn domainlist porn/domains urllist porn/urls } dest proxy{ log proxy domainlist proxy/domains urllist proxy/urls } dest violence{ log violence domainlist violence/domains urllist violence/urls } dest warez{ log warez domainlist warez/domains urllist warez/urls } dest local-ok{ domainlist local-ok/domains urllist local-ok/urls } dest local-block{ log local-block domainlist local-block/domains urllist local-block/urls } rewrite google { s@(google.com/search.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i s@(google.com/images.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i s@(google.com/groups.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i s@(google.com/news.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i # log google } acl { default { # for google to be in "safe mode" rewrite google # the default categories are conservative, please add any additional # categories listed above or simply comment out this line and uncomment # out the line below it. pass local-ok !local-block !gambling !porn !warez all # pass local-ok !local-block !aggressive !drugs !gambling !hacking !porn !proxy !violence !warez all redirect 302:http://squid.chinooksedge.ab.ca/cgi-bin/squidGuard.cgi?clientaddr=%a&cli entname=%n&clientident=%i&srcclass=%s&targetgroup=%t&url=%u # redirect 302:http://squid.chinooksedge.ab.ca/cgi-bin/squidGuard-simple.cgi?clientaddr =%a&clientname=%n&clientident=%i&srcclass=%s&targetclass=%t&url=%u } } = = = = = = = = = = = = = Lantech - Didsbury Chinook's Edge School Div. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From adammelancon at gmail.com Sat Mar 5 03:55:20 2005 From: adammelancon at gmail.com (Adam Melancon) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 19:55:20 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] SquidGuard won't start In-Reply-To: <200503050318.j253IMkW024315@mx1.redhat.com> References: <50416.199.216.98.34.1109971435.squirrel@199.216.98.34> <200503050318.j253IMkW024315@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4892876105030419557fc6a828@mail.gmail.com> I realize that the previous answers are probably the correct ones, but just incase. [root at ltsp40 ads]# ll total 148 -rw-r--r-- 1 squid squid 31229 Mar 3 21:01 domains -rw-r--r-- 1 squid squid 94208 Mar 4 05:00 domains.db -rw-r--r-- 1 squid squid 3641 Mar 3 21:01 urls -rw-r--r-- 1 squid squid 16384 Mar 4 05:00 urls.db [root at ltsp40 ads]# [root at ltsp40 blacklists]# ll drwxr-xr-x 2 squid squid 4096 Aug 27 2002 ads drwxr-xr-x 2 squid squid 4096 Aug 27 2002 aggressive drwxr-xr-x 2 squid squid 4096 Aug 27 2002 audio-video drwxr-xr-x 2 squid squid 4096 Aug 27 2002 drugs drwxr-xr-x 2 squid squid 4096 Mar 16 2004 forums drwxr-xr-x 2 squid squid 4096 Aug 27 2002 gambling drwxr-xr-x 2 squid squid 4096 Aug 27 2002 hacking drwxr-xr-x 2 squid squid 4096 Mar 16 2004 local-block drwxr-xr-x 2 squid squid 4096 Mar 16 2004 local-ok drwxr-xr-x 2 squid squid 4096 Mar 16 2004 mail drwxr-xr-x 2 squid squid 4096 Feb 7 08:34 porn drwxr-xr-x 2 squid squid 4096 Mar 16 2004 proxy drwxr-xr-x 2 squid squid 4096 Mar 16 2004 publicite drwxr-xr-x 2 squid squid 4096 Jul 6 2004 redirector drwxr-xr-x 2 squid squid 4096 Aug 27 2002 violence drwxr-xr-x 2 squid squid 4096 Aug 27 2002 warez [root at ltsp40 blacklists]# On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 21:46:27 -0500, Mark Orenstein wrote: > If your using FC3 with SELINUX enabled (K12LTSP 4.2.0), there is a problem > with squidGuard and SELinux. See > > https://listman.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2005-January/msg00188.html > > from Eric Harrison > > Mark Orenstein > East Granby, CT School System > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of Joe Guenther > Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 4:24 PM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] SquidGuard won't start > > I am trying to set up Squid and SquidGuard. > > It seems that Squid starts, but Squidguard will not start. When I type > service squid start .... [FAILED] > but then > service squid status shows that it is running with 2 processes. I know > that it is working, because I can use it as a proxy from another machine > in the network. But it will not filter unwanted sites. Is the [FAILED] > there because it knows that squidguard did not start properly > > I also notice that there are TWO config files - squid.conf and > squid-squidGuard.conf. Which one of these is used? > > In the services, do I tell the server to start BOTH squid and squidGuard > on startup? Or will it start both when squidguard is started. I ask this > because when I put in /etc/init.d/squidguard start it seems to start squid > first and then try to start squidguard. ... will only setting squidguard > suffice? If both are selected to start on boot, will it load too many > processes of itself? > > any help is appreciated as always > Joe Guenther > > P.S. I have included a few log files & squidGuard.conf... > = = = = = = > /var/log/squidGuard/squidGuard.log > > 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5339] init domainlist > /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains > 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5337] init domainlist > /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains > 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5340] init domainlist > /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains > 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5341] init domainlist > /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains > 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5338] init domainlist > /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains > 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5340] /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains: > Permission denied > 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5340] going into emergency mode > 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5341] /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains: > Permission denied > 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5341] going into emergency mode > 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5339] /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains: > Permission denied > 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5339] going into emergency mode > 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5338] /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains: > Permission denied > 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5338] going into emergency mode > 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5337] /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains: > Permission denied > 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5337] going into emergency mode > > = = = = = = = = > /var/log/squid/cache.log > > 2005/03/03 17:20:43| Preparing for shutdown after 413 requests > 2005/03/03 17:20:43| Waiting 30 seconds for active connections to finish > 2005/03/03 17:20:43| FD 12 Closing HTTP connection > 2005/03/03 17:20:45| Shutting down... > 2005/03/03 17:20:45| FD 13 Closing ICP connection > 2005/03/03 17:20:45| Closing unlinkd pipe on FD 10 > 2005/03/03 17:20:45| storeDirWriteCleanLogs: Starting... > 2005/03/03 17:20:45| Finished. Wrote 409 entries. > 2005/03/03 17:20:45| Took 0.0 seconds (101262.7 entries/sec). > CPU Usage: 35.189 seconds = 34.331 user + 0.858 sys > Maximum Resident Size: 0 KB > Page faults with physical i/o: 1 > Memory usage for squid via mallinfo(): > total space in arena: 29032 KB > Ordinary blocks: 28954 KB 20 blks > Small blocks: 0 KB 5 blks > Holding blocks: 200 KB 1 blks > Free Small blocks: 0 KB > Free Ordinary blocks: 77 KB > Total in use: 29154 KB 100% > Total free: 77 KB 0% > 2005/03/03 17:20:45| Squid Cache (Version 2.5.STABLE8): Exiting normally. > 2005/03/03 17:21:11| Starting Squid Cache version 2.5.STABLE8 for > i386-redhat-linux-gnu... > 2005/03/03 17:21:11| Process ID 5315 > 2005/03/03 17:21:11| With 1024 file descriptors available > 2005/03/03 17:21:11| DNS Socket created at 0.0.0.0, port 32775, FD 5 > 2005/03/03 17:21:11| Adding nameserver 10.24.100.3 from /etc/resolv.conf > 2005/03/03 17:21:11| helperOpenServers: Starting 5 'squidGuard' processes > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| User-Agent logging is disabled. > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Referer logging is disabled. > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Unlinkd pipe opened on FD 15 > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Swap maxSize 102400 KB, estimated 7876 objects > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Target number of buckets: 393 > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Using 8192 Store buckets > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Max Mem size: 8192 KB > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Max Swap size: 102400 KB > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Rebuilding storage in /var/spool/squid (CLEAN) > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Using Least Load store dir selection > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Set Current Directory to /var/spool/squid > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Loaded Icons. > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Accepting HTTP connections at 0.0.0.0, port 3128, FD > 17. > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Accepting ICP messages at 0.0.0.0, port 3130, FD 18. > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| WCCP Disabled. > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Ready to serve requests. > 2005/03/03 17:21:44| Done reading /var/spool/squid swaplog (409 entries) > 2005/03/03 17:21:44| Finished rebuilding storage from disk. > 2005/03/03 17:21:44| 409 Entries scanned > 2005/03/03 17:21:44| 0 Invalid entries. > 2005/03/03 17:21:44| 0 With invalid flags. > 2005/03/03 17:21:44| 409 Objects loaded. > 2005/03/03 17:21:44| 0 Objects expired. > 2005/03/03 17:21:44| 0 Objects cancelled. > 2005/03/03 17:21:44| 0 Duplicate URLs purged. > 2005/03/03 17:21:44| 0 Swapfile clashes avoided. > 2005/03/03 17:21:44| Took 1.9 seconds ( 213.8 objects/sec). > 2005/03/03 17:21:44| Beginning Validation Procedure > 2005/03/03 17:21:45| Completed Validation Procedure > 2005/03/03 17:21:45| Validated 409 Entries > 2005/03/03 17:21:45| store_swap_size = 4096k > 2005/03/03 17:21:45| storeLateRelease: released 0 objects > > = = = = = > /etc/squidGuard.conf > > # > # CONFIG FILE FOR SQUIDGUARD > # > # See http://www.squidguard.org/config/ for more examples > # > > dbhome /var/squidGuard/blacklists > logdir /var/log/squidGuard > > dest ads { > log ads > domainlist ads/domains > urllist ads/urls > } > > dest audio-video { > log audio-video > domainlist audio-video/domains > urllist audio-video/urls > } > > dest aggressive { > log aggressive > domainlist aggressive/domains > urllist aggressive/urls > } > > dest drugs { > log drugs > domainlist drugs/domains > urllist drugs/urls > } > > dest gambling{ > log gambling > domainlist gambling/domains > urllist gambling/urls > } > > dest hacking { > log hacking > domainlist hacking/domains > urllist hacking/urls > } > > dest mail { > log mail > domainlist mail/domains > urllist mail/urls > } > > dest porn{ > log porn > domainlist porn/domains > urllist porn/urls > } > > dest proxy{ > log proxy > domainlist proxy/domains > urllist proxy/urls > } > > dest violence{ > log violence > domainlist violence/domains > urllist violence/urls > } > > dest warez{ > log warez > domainlist warez/domains > urllist warez/urls > } > > dest local-ok{ > domainlist local-ok/domains > urllist local-ok/urls > } > > dest local-block{ > log local-block > domainlist local-block/domains > urllist local-block/urls > } > > rewrite google { > s@(google.com/search.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i > s@(google.com/images.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i > s@(google.com/groups.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i > s@(google.com/news.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i > # log google > } > > acl { > default { > # for google to be in "safe mode" > rewrite google > > # the default categories are conservative, please add any additional > # categories listed above or simply comment out this line and > uncomment > # out the line below it. > pass local-ok !local-block !gambling !porn !warez all > # pass local-ok !local-block !aggressive !drugs !gambling !hacking > !porn !proxy !violence !warez all > > redirect > 302:http://squid.chinooksedge.ab.ca/cgi-bin/squidGuard.cgi?clientaddr=%a&cli > entname=%n&clientident=%i&srcclass=%s&targetgroup=%t&url=%u > # redirect > 302:http://squid.chinooksedge.ab.ca/cgi-bin/squidGuard-simple.cgi?clientaddr > =%a&clientname=%n&clientident=%i&srcclass=%s&targetclass=%t&url=%u > } > } > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = > Lantech - Didsbury > Chinook's Edge School Div. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Adam Melancon Work: http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us Personal: http://www.melancon.org From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sat Mar 5 04:07:16 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 20:07:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] SquidGuard won't start In-Reply-To: <200503050318.j253IMkW024315@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200503050318.j253IMkW024315@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 4 Mar 2005, Mark Orenstein wrote: > If your using FC3 with SELINUX enabled (K12LTSP 4.2.0), there is a problem > with squidGuard and SELinux. See > > https://listman.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2005-January/msg00188.html > > from Eric Harrison > > Mark Orenstein > East Granby, CT School System Yeah, it looks like a FC3/SELinux problem to me. I have had continued success with my test squidGuard packages and no one has complained about them, so I'll probably unlease them on the public in the near future... -Eric > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of Joe Guenther > Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 4:24 PM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] SquidGuard won't start > > I am trying to set up Squid and SquidGuard. > > It seems that Squid starts, but Squidguard will not start. When I type > service squid start .... [FAILED] > but then > service squid status shows that it is running with 2 processes. I know > that it is working, because I can use it as a proxy from another machine > in the network. But it will not filter unwanted sites. Is the [FAILED] > there because it knows that squidguard did not start properly > > I also notice that there are TWO config files - squid.conf and > squid-squidGuard.conf. Which one of these is used? > > In the services, do I tell the server to start BOTH squid and squidGuard > on startup? Or will it start both when squidguard is started. I ask this > because when I put in /etc/init.d/squidguard start it seems to start squid > first and then try to start squidguard. ... will only setting squidguard > suffice? If both are selected to start on boot, will it load too many > processes of itself? > > any help is appreciated as always > Joe Guenther > > P.S. I have included a few log files & squidGuard.conf... > = = = = = = > /var/log/squidGuard/squidGuard.log > > 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5339] init domainlist > /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains > 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5337] init domainlist > /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains > 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5340] init domainlist > /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains > 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5341] init domainlist > /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains > 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5338] init domainlist > /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains > 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5340] /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains: > Permission denied > 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5340] going into emergency mode > 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5341] /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains: > Permission denied > 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5341] going into emergency mode > 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5339] /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains: > Permission denied > 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5339] going into emergency mode > 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5338] /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains: > Permission denied > 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5338] going into emergency mode > 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5337] /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains: > Permission denied > 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5337] going into emergency mode > > = = = = = = = = > /var/log/squid/cache.log > > 2005/03/03 17:20:43| Preparing for shutdown after 413 requests > 2005/03/03 17:20:43| Waiting 30 seconds for active connections to finish > 2005/03/03 17:20:43| FD 12 Closing HTTP connection > 2005/03/03 17:20:45| Shutting down... > 2005/03/03 17:20:45| FD 13 Closing ICP connection > 2005/03/03 17:20:45| Closing unlinkd pipe on FD 10 > 2005/03/03 17:20:45| storeDirWriteCleanLogs: Starting... > 2005/03/03 17:20:45| Finished. Wrote 409 entries. > 2005/03/03 17:20:45| Took 0.0 seconds (101262.7 entries/sec). > CPU Usage: 35.189 seconds = 34.331 user + 0.858 sys > Maximum Resident Size: 0 KB > Page faults with physical i/o: 1 > Memory usage for squid via mallinfo(): > total space in arena: 29032 KB > Ordinary blocks: 28954 KB 20 blks > Small blocks: 0 KB 5 blks > Holding blocks: 200 KB 1 blks > Free Small blocks: 0 KB > Free Ordinary blocks: 77 KB > Total in use: 29154 KB 100% > Total free: 77 KB 0% > 2005/03/03 17:20:45| Squid Cache (Version 2.5.STABLE8): Exiting normally. > 2005/03/03 17:21:11| Starting Squid Cache version 2.5.STABLE8 for > i386-redhat-linux-gnu... > 2005/03/03 17:21:11| Process ID 5315 > 2005/03/03 17:21:11| With 1024 file descriptors available > 2005/03/03 17:21:11| DNS Socket created at 0.0.0.0, port 32775, FD 5 > 2005/03/03 17:21:11| Adding nameserver 10.24.100.3 from /etc/resolv.conf > 2005/03/03 17:21:11| helperOpenServers: Starting 5 'squidGuard' processes > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| User-Agent logging is disabled. > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Referer logging is disabled. > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Unlinkd pipe opened on FD 15 > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Swap maxSize 102400 KB, estimated 7876 objects > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Target number of buckets: 393 > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Using 8192 Store buckets > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Max Mem size: 8192 KB > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Max Swap size: 102400 KB > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Rebuilding storage in /var/spool/squid (CLEAN) > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Using Least Load store dir selection > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Set Current Directory to /var/spool/squid > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Loaded Icons. > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Accepting HTTP connections at 0.0.0.0, port 3128, FD > 17. > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Accepting ICP messages at 0.0.0.0, port 3130, FD 18. > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| WCCP Disabled. > 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Ready to serve requests. > 2005/03/03 17:21:44| Done reading /var/spool/squid swaplog (409 entries) > 2005/03/03 17:21:44| Finished rebuilding storage from disk. > 2005/03/03 17:21:44| 409 Entries scanned > 2005/03/03 17:21:44| 0 Invalid entries. > 2005/03/03 17:21:44| 0 With invalid flags. > 2005/03/03 17:21:44| 409 Objects loaded. > 2005/03/03 17:21:44| 0 Objects expired. > 2005/03/03 17:21:44| 0 Objects cancelled. > 2005/03/03 17:21:44| 0 Duplicate URLs purged. > 2005/03/03 17:21:44| 0 Swapfile clashes avoided. > 2005/03/03 17:21:44| Took 1.9 seconds ( 213.8 objects/sec). > 2005/03/03 17:21:44| Beginning Validation Procedure > 2005/03/03 17:21:45| Completed Validation Procedure > 2005/03/03 17:21:45| Validated 409 Entries > 2005/03/03 17:21:45| store_swap_size = 4096k > 2005/03/03 17:21:45| storeLateRelease: released 0 objects > > = = = = = > /etc/squidGuard.conf > > # > # CONFIG FILE FOR SQUIDGUARD > # > # See http://www.squidguard.org/config/ for more examples > # > > dbhome /var/squidGuard/blacklists > logdir /var/log/squidGuard > > dest ads { > log ads > domainlist ads/domains > urllist ads/urls > } > > dest audio-video { > log audio-video > domainlist audio-video/domains > urllist audio-video/urls > } > > dest aggressive { > log aggressive > domainlist aggressive/domains > urllist aggressive/urls > } > > dest drugs { > log drugs > domainlist drugs/domains > urllist drugs/urls > } > > dest gambling{ > log gambling > domainlist gambling/domains > urllist gambling/urls > } > > dest hacking { > log hacking > domainlist hacking/domains > urllist hacking/urls > } > > dest mail { > log mail > domainlist mail/domains > urllist mail/urls > } > > dest porn{ > log porn > domainlist porn/domains > urllist porn/urls > } > > dest proxy{ > log proxy > domainlist proxy/domains > urllist proxy/urls > } > > dest violence{ > log violence > domainlist violence/domains > urllist violence/urls > } > > dest warez{ > log warez > domainlist warez/domains > urllist warez/urls > } > > dest local-ok{ > domainlist local-ok/domains > urllist local-ok/urls > } > > dest local-block{ > log local-block > domainlist local-block/domains > urllist local-block/urls > } > > rewrite google { > s@(google.com/search.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i > s@(google.com/images.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i > s@(google.com/groups.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i > s@(google.com/news.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i > # log google > } > > acl { > default { > # for google to be in "safe mode" > rewrite google > > # the default categories are conservative, please add any additional > # categories listed above or simply comment out this line and > uncomment > # out the line below it. > pass local-ok !local-block !gambling !porn !warez all > # pass local-ok !local-block !aggressive !drugs !gambling !hacking > !porn !proxy !violence !warez all > > redirect > 302:http://squid.chinooksedge.ab.ca/cgi-bin/squidGuard.cgi?clientaddr=%a&cli > entname=%n&clientident=%i&srcclass=%s&targetgroup=%t&url=%u > # redirect > 302:http://squid.chinooksedge.ab.ca/cgi-bin/squidGuard-simple.cgi?clientaddr > =%a&clientname=%n&clientident=%i&srcclass=%s&targetclass=%t&url=%u > } > } > > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = > Lantech - Didsbury > Chinook's Edge School Div. > From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Sat Mar 5 04:18:54 2005 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 21:18:54 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] SquidGuard won't start In-Reply-To: References: <200503050318.j253IMkW024315@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4229332E.60706@chinooksedge.ab.ca> You guys are so GREAT!!! I will try this first thing Monday morning when I get back to school many many thanks Joe Guenther Eric Harrison wrote: > On Fri, 4 Mar 2005, Mark Orenstein wrote: > >> If your using FC3 with SELINUX enabled (K12LTSP 4.2.0), there is a >> problem >> with squidGuard and SELinux. See >> >> https://listman.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2005-January/msg00188.html >> >> from Eric Harrison >> >> Mark Orenstein >> East Granby, CT School System > > > Yeah, it looks like a FC3/SELinux problem to me. > > I have had continued success with my test squidGuard packages > and no one has complained about them, so I'll probably unlease > them on the public in the near future... > > -Eric > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On >> Behalf >> Of Joe Guenther >> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 4:24 PM >> To: k12osn at redhat.com >> Subject: [K12OSN] SquidGuard won't start >> >> I am trying to set up Squid and SquidGuard. >> >> It seems that Squid starts, but Squidguard will not start. When I type >> service squid start .... [FAILED] >> but then >> service squid status shows that it is running with 2 processes. I know >> that it is working, because I can use it as a proxy from another machine >> in the network. But it will not filter unwanted sites. Is the [FAILED] >> there because it knows that squidguard did not start properly >> >> I also notice that there are TWO config files - squid.conf and >> squid-squidGuard.conf. Which one of these is used? >> >> In the services, do I tell the server to start BOTH squid and squidGuard >> on startup? Or will it start both when squidguard is started. I ask >> this >> because when I put in /etc/init.d/squidguard start it seems to start >> squid >> first and then try to start squidguard. ... will only setting squidguard >> suffice? If both are selected to start on boot, will it load too many >> processes of itself? >> >> any help is appreciated as always >> Joe Guenther >> >> P.S. I have included a few log files & squidGuard.conf... >> = = = = = = >> /var/log/squidGuard/squidGuard.log >> >> 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5339] init domainlist >> /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains >> 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5337] init domainlist >> /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains >> 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5340] init domainlist >> /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains >> 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5341] init domainlist >> /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains >> 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5338] init domainlist >> /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains >> 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5340] /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains: >> Permission denied >> 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5340] going into emergency mode >> 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5341] /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains: >> Permission denied >> 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5341] going into emergency mode >> 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5339] /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains: >> Permission denied >> 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5339] going into emergency mode >> 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5338] /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains: >> Permission denied >> 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5338] going into emergency mode >> 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5337] /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains: >> Permission denied >> 2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5337] going into emergency mode >> >> = = = = = = = = >> /var/log/squid/cache.log >> >> 2005/03/03 17:20:43| Preparing for shutdown after 413 requests >> 2005/03/03 17:20:43| Waiting 30 seconds for active connections to finish >> 2005/03/03 17:20:43| FD 12 Closing HTTP connection >> 2005/03/03 17:20:45| Shutting down... >> 2005/03/03 17:20:45| FD 13 Closing ICP connection >> 2005/03/03 17:20:45| Closing unlinkd pipe on FD 10 >> 2005/03/03 17:20:45| storeDirWriteCleanLogs: Starting... >> 2005/03/03 17:20:45| Finished. Wrote 409 entries. >> 2005/03/03 17:20:45| Took 0.0 seconds (101262.7 entries/sec). >> CPU Usage: 35.189 seconds = 34.331 user + 0.858 sys >> Maximum Resident Size: 0 KB >> Page faults with physical i/o: 1 >> Memory usage for squid via mallinfo(): >> total space in arena: 29032 KB >> Ordinary blocks: 28954 KB 20 blks >> Small blocks: 0 KB 5 blks >> Holding blocks: 200 KB 1 blks >> Free Small blocks: 0 KB >> Free Ordinary blocks: 77 KB >> Total in use: 29154 KB 100% >> Total free: 77 KB 0% >> 2005/03/03 17:20:45| Squid Cache (Version 2.5.STABLE8): Exiting >> normally. >> 2005/03/03 17:21:11| Starting Squid Cache version 2.5.STABLE8 for >> i386-redhat-linux-gnu... >> 2005/03/03 17:21:11| Process ID 5315 >> 2005/03/03 17:21:11| With 1024 file descriptors available >> 2005/03/03 17:21:11| DNS Socket created at 0.0.0.0, port 32775, FD 5 >> 2005/03/03 17:21:11| Adding nameserver 10.24.100.3 from /etc/resolv.conf >> 2005/03/03 17:21:11| helperOpenServers: Starting 5 'squidGuard' >> processes >> 2005/03/03 17:21:43| User-Agent logging is disabled. >> 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Referer logging is disabled. >> 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Unlinkd pipe opened on FD 15 >> 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Swap maxSize 102400 KB, estimated 7876 objects >> 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Target number of buckets: 393 >> 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Using 8192 Store buckets >> 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Max Mem size: 8192 KB >> 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Max Swap size: 102400 KB >> 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Rebuilding storage in /var/spool/squid (CLEAN) >> 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Using Least Load store dir selection >> 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Set Current Directory to /var/spool/squid >> 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Loaded Icons. >> 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Accepting HTTP connections at 0.0.0.0, port >> 3128, FD >> 17. >> 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Accepting ICP messages at 0.0.0.0, port 3130, FD >> 18. >> 2005/03/03 17:21:43| WCCP Disabled. >> 2005/03/03 17:21:43| Ready to serve requests. >> 2005/03/03 17:21:44| Done reading /var/spool/squid swaplog (409 entries) >> 2005/03/03 17:21:44| Finished rebuilding storage from disk. >> 2005/03/03 17:21:44| 409 Entries scanned >> 2005/03/03 17:21:44| 0 Invalid entries. >> 2005/03/03 17:21:44| 0 With invalid flags. >> 2005/03/03 17:21:44| 409 Objects loaded. >> 2005/03/03 17:21:44| 0 Objects expired. >> 2005/03/03 17:21:44| 0 Objects cancelled. >> 2005/03/03 17:21:44| 0 Duplicate URLs purged. >> 2005/03/03 17:21:44| 0 Swapfile clashes avoided. >> 2005/03/03 17:21:44| Took 1.9 seconds ( 213.8 objects/sec). >> 2005/03/03 17:21:44| Beginning Validation Procedure >> 2005/03/03 17:21:45| Completed Validation Procedure >> 2005/03/03 17:21:45| Validated 409 Entries >> 2005/03/03 17:21:45| store_swap_size = 4096k >> 2005/03/03 17:21:45| storeLateRelease: released 0 objects >> >> = = = = = >> /etc/squidGuard.conf >> >> # >> # CONFIG FILE FOR SQUIDGUARD >> # >> # See http://www.squidguard.org/config/ for more examples >> # >> >> dbhome /var/squidGuard/blacklists >> logdir /var/log/squidGuard >> >> dest ads { >> log ads >> domainlist ads/domains >> urllist ads/urls >> } >> >> dest audio-video { >> log audio-video >> domainlist audio-video/domains >> urllist audio-video/urls >> } >> >> dest aggressive { >> log aggressive >> domainlist aggressive/domains >> urllist aggressive/urls >> } >> >> dest drugs { >> log drugs >> domainlist drugs/domains >> urllist drugs/urls >> } >> >> dest gambling{ >> log gambling >> domainlist gambling/domains >> urllist gambling/urls >> } >> >> dest hacking { >> log hacking >> domainlist hacking/domains >> urllist hacking/urls >> } >> >> dest mail { >> log mail >> domainlist mail/domains >> urllist mail/urls >> } >> >> dest porn{ >> log porn >> domainlist porn/domains >> urllist porn/urls >> } >> >> dest proxy{ >> log proxy >> domainlist proxy/domains >> urllist proxy/urls >> } >> >> dest violence{ >> log violence >> domainlist violence/domains >> urllist violence/urls >> } >> >> dest warez{ >> log warez >> domainlist warez/domains >> urllist warez/urls >> } >> >> dest local-ok{ >> domainlist local-ok/domains >> urllist local-ok/urls >> } >> >> dest local-block{ >> log local-block >> domainlist local-block/domains >> urllist local-block/urls >> } >> >> rewrite google { >> s@(google.com/search.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i >> s@(google.com/images.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i >> s@(google.com/groups.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i >> s@(google.com/news.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i >> # log google >> } >> >> acl { >> default { >> # for google to be in "safe mode" >> rewrite google >> >> # the default categories are conservative, please add any additional >> # categories listed above or simply comment out this line and >> uncomment >> # out the line below it. >> pass local-ok !local-block !gambling !porn !warez all >> # pass local-ok !local-block !aggressive !drugs !gambling >> !hacking >> !porn !proxy !violence !warez all >> >> redirect >> 302:http://squid.chinooksedge.ab.ca/cgi-bin/squidGuard.cgi?clientaddr=%a&cli >> >> entname=%n&clientident=%i&srcclass=%s&targetgroup=%t&url=%u >> # redirect >> 302:http://squid.chinooksedge.ab.ca/cgi-bin/squidGuard-simple.cgi?clientaddr >> >> =%a&clientname=%n&clientident=%i&srcclass=%s&targetclass=%t&url=%u >> } >> } >> >> >> = = = = = = = = = = = = = >> Lantech - Didsbury >> Chinook's Edge School Div. >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > !DSPAM:42293085248381966297388! > From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Sat Mar 5 04:28:51 2005 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 21:28:51 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP at a hockey tournament Message-ID: <42293583.1030904@chinooksedge.ab.ca> Just a little story for the rest of you guys I will be setting up a K12LTSP server - 4/5 workstation Internet cafe at our local provincials Midget championship hockey tournament. There will be 8 hockey teams with parents, coaches, etc from all over the province. All the games results are posted to the internet. I thought it would be a good idea to actually have internet terminals in the multi-purpose room in the arena. The local computer shop is sponsoring the server for the weekend, and I have committed to setup and installation of K12LTSP. now I just have to find a way to do some good publicity ... hang up a banner with LTSP.org or something like that. ... leave some nice color brochures beside the terminals. Therfore the appeal to all you great people. Does anyone have a nice K12LTSP brochure in pdf format that I could chase through a color laser printer to use to place beside the terminals ... toot our horn a bit? I already have a LTSP server / workstation setup at the public library here in town. I have the high school lab on K12LTSP ... so I figured it would be nice to have a public way of displaying the advantages of LTSP - open source / no lic fees - great way to use old "recycled" computers - fast / secure / stable operating system :-) Joe Guenther Didsbury, Alberta Canada From sudev at m4linux.com Sat Mar 5 12:28:45 2005 From: sudev at m4linux.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 17:58:45 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] changing xscreensaver default time...how? In-Reply-To: References: <1109953992.11074.65.camel@shahms.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1110025725.7297.1.camel@server.ltsp> On Fri, 2005-03-04 at 13:05 -0500, David Trask wrote: > OK, that's cool...found out what that does, but now I know to clarify my > intent. Actually it's the time before the login screen goes blank that I > want to adjust. XScreensaver only seems to affect the users session when > they're logged in....I need to adjust the time before the monitor goes > blank when it's simply sitting at the login screen. Any ideas? Would running this from gdm.conf work? I usually run xosvies from gdm.conf so that the overall system situation is visible from any terminal that is not logged in but switched on. HTH -- Sudev Barar From Jason.Waskiewicz at sendit.nodak.edu Sat Mar 5 13:47:11 2005 From: Jason.Waskiewicz at sendit.nodak.edu (Jason Waskiewicz) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 07:47:11 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora Update Problems Message-ID: <33398.10.130.156.8.1110030431.squirrel@webmail.sendit.nodak.edu> I am currently running two LTSP labs in my building and am about to start up a third. They are all very small classroom labs. They all run RedHat Fedora 2. My problem is that LTSP ceases to work when I download any updates to Fedora. My solution so far has been to not download them. If I do download them. LTSPAdmin will not let me reconfigure the services that quit working, particularly TFTP. This would be fine except I might be changing jobs this spring and I want to set up something for people who don't understand Linux. I did this purely as a volunteer, so the school will not be hiring a replacement. --Jason Waskiewicz jason.waskiewicz at sendit.nodak.edu From ddaniels at magic.fr Sat Mar 5 14:19:01 2005 From: ddaniels at magic.fr (ddaniels at magic.fr) Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 06:19:01 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora Update Problems In-Reply-To: <33398.10.130.156.8.1110030431.squirrel@webmail.sendit.nodak.edu> References: <33398.10.130.156.8.1110030431.squirrel@webmail.sendit.nodak.edu> Message-ID: <4229BFD5.8010209@magic.fr> I'm having similar problems. I'm moving on, but my lab is not coming with me... I've been trying to recruit people to take over but so far, no takers. "It's too hard", "I don't know anything about Unix" etc. are the responses I get. A shame really, but apathy and ignorance is not the realm of children alone. Good luck with your moves, best Dennis Jason Waskiewicz wrote: >I am currently running two LTSP labs in my building and am about to start >up a third. They are all very small classroom labs. They all run RedHat >Fedora 2. > >My problem is that LTSP ceases to work when I download any updates to >Fedora. My solution so far has been to not download them. If I do download >them. LTSPAdmin will not let me reconfigure the services that quit >working, particularly TFTP. > >This would be fine except I might be changing jobs this spring and I want >to set up something for people who don't understand Linux. I did this >purely as a volunteer, so the school will not be hiring a replacement. > >--Jason Waskiewicz > jason.waskiewicz at sendit.nodak.edu > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > -- lost and found: www.dennisgdaniels.com 951 347 9711 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ From mailinglists-after-041101_reply-not-possible at hpc.dk Sat Mar 5 15:36:09 2005 From: mailinglists-after-041101_reply-not-possible at hpc.dk (Henning Wangerin) Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 16:36:09 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Logging of bandwidth pr user or pr workstation In-Reply-To: <1109771749.6274.13.camel@roop.ltsp> References: <1109769887.3931.54.camel@server.ltsp> <1109771749.6274.13.camel@roop.ltsp> Message-ID: <1110036968.3931.169.camel@server.ltsp> On Wed, 2005-03-02 at 14:55, Sudev Barar wrote: > Build a gateway box between terminal server and common connection: > > terminals --- LTSP server ---- gatewaybox ---- Internet > > Then let squid do proxy and logging at the gateway box...?? Guru's out We don't expect much traffic via http, so squid don't help. I've put up a sketch of what's planned: http://wangerin.linux.dk/network/spejderhytterne.png People may also get access to put their own laptop on the connection and use the exterrnal connection. The gateway-box will properbly be a m0n0wall, handling incomming vpn-connections, and trafic-shaping. > there may come up with better solution but to my limited reading and > knowledge while getting the LTSP server do proxy is possible it is > easily bypassed and internet can be assessed without even setting proxy > in your browser. One thing that is going to be used for sure is VoIP via hardware sip-phones. -- Henning Wangerin From bcarter at jchs.com Sat Mar 5 17:52:58 2005 From: bcarter at jchs.com (Burt Carter) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 12:52:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] accelerated reader Message-ID: <200503051252.AA1273364598@mail.jchs.com> I am trying to get more linux workstations into our network, but my dilema are programs that don't seem to run on Linux. The biggest one right now is Accellerated Reader. Has any one had success getting this to work with or in LTSP? What about other programs that seem to be Windows Only based? Thanks, Burt Carter ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.jchs.com This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain legally privileged and confidential information intended solely for the use of the addressee. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by telephone (478-982-6000) or by electronic mail, and delete this message and all copies and backups thereof. Thank You. From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat Mar 5 18:18:58 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 13:18:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] accelerated reader In-Reply-To: <200503051252.AA1273364598@mail.jchs.com> References: <200503051252.AA1273364598@mail.jchs.com> Message-ID: <4229F812.1080208@cmosnetworks.com> Burt Carter wrote: >I am trying to get more linux workstations into our network, but my dilema are programs that don't seem to run on Linux. The biggest one right now is Accellerated Reader. Has any one had success getting this to work with or in LTSP? What about other programs that seem to be Windows Only based? > >Thanks, >Burt Carter > > > > > Hello Burt, Not very long ago, there was quite a spirited debate on this list about this exact subject--programs like Accelerated Reader, Reader Rabbit, etc. that run only on Windows or Mac OS. That debate was instigated largely by me. At the moment, your options are to try it out on either WINE or its corporately-backed sibling, CrossOver Office. If someone has a spare (legal, that is) copy of any of these programs, I am willing to try it out on CrossOver Office, since I currently have access to the betas and nightly builds. --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From les at futuresource.com Sat Mar 5 20:04:37 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 14:04:37 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora Update Problems In-Reply-To: <33398.10.130.156.8.1110030431.squirrel@webmail.sendit.nodak.edu> References: <33398.10.130.156.8.1110030431.squirrel@webmail.sendit.nodak.edu> Message-ID: <1110053077.12167.5.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2005-03-05 at 07:47, Jason Waskiewicz wrote: > I am currently running two LTSP labs in my building and am about to start > up a third. They are all very small classroom labs. They all run RedHat > Fedora 2. > > My problem is that LTSP ceases to work when I download any updates to > Fedora. My solution so far has been to not download them. If I do download > them. LTSPAdmin will not let me reconfigure the services that quit > working, particularly TFTP. I'd recommend installing from the k12ltsp distribution instead of separately adding ltsp, and doing the updates fairly often. That way you will get updates for the k12ltsp addons at the same time and if there are any surprises, others on the mailing list will be seeing the same thing at approximately the same time so it will be easier to find the solution. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From steve.honeycutt at gmail.com Sat Mar 5 20:13:38 2005 From: steve.honeycutt at gmail.com (Steve Honeycutt) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 14:13:38 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora Update Problems In-Reply-To: <1110053077.12167.5.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <33398.10.130.156.8.1110030431.squirrel@webmail.sendit.nodak.edu> <1110053077.12167.5.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <61bfa74305030512137b7f0d1f@mail.gmail.com> You two (not Les) are talking about leaving their labs and I would love nothing more than to be able to work with one of my local school systems and setup a lab for them. Trouble is... I am not so sure on how to approach - pitch the idea to the appropiate person/people. :((( -- Best Regards, Steve www.slicehaven.com From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sat Mar 5 20:27:11 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 15:27:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] changing xscreensaver default time...how? In-Reply-To: <1110025725.7297.1.camel@server.ltsp> References: < > <1109953992.11074.65.camel@shahms.mesd.k12.or.us> < > <1110025725.7297.1.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Saturday, March 5, 2005 at 7:28 AM +0000 wrote: >Would running this from gdm.conf work? I usually run xosvies from >gdm.conf so that the overall system situation is visible from any >terminal that is not logged in but switched on. Can you explain this a bit more...I'm not following you...how do I do this? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sat Mar 5 20:27:11 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 15:27:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] changing xscreensaver default time...how? In-Reply-To: <1110025725.7297.1.camel@server.ltsp> References: < > <1109953992.11074.65.camel@shahms.mesd.k12.or.us> < > <1110025725.7297.1.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Saturday, March 5, 2005 at 7:28 AM +0000 wrote: >Would running this from gdm.conf work? I usually run xosvies from >gdm.conf so that the overall system situation is visible from any >terminal that is not logged in but switched on. Can you explain this a bit more...I'm not following you...how do I do this? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From mpribik at zoznam.sk Sat Mar 5 21:24:41 2005 From: mpribik at zoznam.sk (M.Pribik) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 22:24:41 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Clearing the server memmory Message-ID: <000801c521c9$bebeb700$0100a8c0@Marian> During several days of server running I found out that some processes are staying in memmory, they belong to the root or to the real users that is not lodged on any more. Those processes are taking memmory uselessly. Does anybody know how to find out what processes are really needless /mainly from root/ and how safely remove them from the memmory? Thank you. Marian -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Marian > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see I simply set up a cron job on my LTSP server to reboot the server at 1AM every day. Clears the memory and starts anew. From brcisna at frontiernet.net Sat Mar 5 22:10:10 2005 From: brcisna at frontiernet.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 16:10:10 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] how to hardcode proxy settings in firefox Message-ID: <000a01c521d0$19b25940$01fea8c0@brcHOST> Hi List Does anyone have a good howto, on setting proxy settings globally for Firefox? I have seen postings on here a few months back for Mozilla ,and I ve tryed all of the "trys" and none really work :(. We are, using K12LTSP 4.2.0. You know the drill . I m having to manually enter the proxy number in the browser .preferences one at a time ,per user, UGH!.. 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Has any one had success getting this to work with or in LTSP? What about other programs that seem to be Windows Only based? > > > >Thanks, > >Burt Carter > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Burt, > > Not very long ago, there was quite a spirited debate on this list about > this exact subject--programs like Accelerated Reader, Reader Rabbit, > etc. that run only on Windows or Mac OS. That debate was instigated > largely by me. At the moment, your options are to try it out on either > WINE or its corporately-backed sibling, CrossOver Office. > > If someone has a spare (legal, that is) copy of any of these programs, I > am willing to try it out on CrossOver Office, since I currently have > access to the betas and nightly builds. > > --TP > _____________________ > Do you GNU!? > Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it > out! > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct From brcisna at frontiernet.net Sat Mar 5 22:47:58 2005 From: brcisna at frontiernet.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 16:47:58 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] accelerated reader Message-ID: <002101c521d5$61a1c6f0$01fea8c0@brcHOST> Hi , Ive tried for several hours to try to get Accelerated Reader to work,,various versions ,,through WIne,, on K12LTSP v 4.20 to know avail.. It installs fine,, but when trying to setup the database...and redirect the usres to go to that database ,,this is the downfall,,there is no way to change the database path?? Anone else have any luck with AR? Thanks,, Barry CIsna RR1 Box 213 Gladstone, IL 61437 brcisna at frontiernet.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Linux_Man at comcast.net Sat Mar 5 23:07:44 2005 From: Linux_Man at comcast.net (Brian Beck) Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 18:07:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] how to hardcode proxy settings in firefox In-Reply-To: <000a01c521d0$19b25940$01fea8c0@brcHOST> References: <000a01c521d0$19b25940$01fea8c0@brcHOST> Message-ID: <422A3BC0.90606@comcast.net> Barry R Cisna wrote: > Hi List > > Does anyone have a good howto, on setting proxy settings globally > for Firefox? > I have seen postings on here a few months back for Mozilla ,and I ve > tryed all of the "trys" and none really work :(. > We are, using K12LTSP 4.2.0. > You know the drill . I m having to manually enter the proxy number > in the browser .preferences one at a time ,per user, UGH!.. > > Any help/criticizm/laughs/snickers,,,would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Barry CIsna > RR1 Box 213 > Gladstone, IL 61437 > > brcisna at frontiernet.net > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see This is very much possible using a system-wide locked config file generated with moz-byteshift.pl - Google for it or come monday when I have access to my LTSP server again I'll get you my prefs.js and instruction guides. From HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG Sat Mar 5 23:24:40 2005 From: HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Burroughs, Henry) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 18:24:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] accelerated reader Message-ID: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D78420073FD8@hhpmail.MEDIA.LOCAL> I can tell you, Accelerated Reader does fully function under Crossover Office 4.1 .I've got an installation on my K12LTSP server, and I have 2 accounts configured to use AR (I installed it globaly, but didn't configure it globally for all users b/c our librarian wanted the kids only to run it in the library, and currently 2 thin clients in the library auto-login to the AR accounts). You do have to tweak a few settings for Anti-Aliasing (disable it actually) for the AR executables in the wine configuration...otherwise when you select students/books the inverse of the selection is unreadable. I recommend Crossover, especially version 4.1 You can even see Quicktime movies... it didn't put very much of a hit on the server. Just the other day a student played a windows media player movie in a webpage...under Linux. ;-) I'm working on sound... (not to say that I have sound working on all my terminals anyway at the moment). Hope this helps. Henry Burroughs Technology Director Hilton Head Preparatory School www.hhprep.org -----Original Message----- From: "Terrell Prud?, Jr." [mailto:microman at cmosnetworks.com] Sent: Sat 3/5/2005 1:18 PM To: bcarter at jchs.com; Support list for opensource software in schools. Cc: Subject: Re: [K12OSN] accelerated reader Burt Carter wrote: >I am trying to get more linux workstations into our network, but my dilema are programs that don't seem to run on Linux. The biggest one right now is Accellerated Reader. Has any one had success getting this to work with or in LTSP? What about other programs that seem to be Windows Only based? > >Thanks, >Burt Carter > > > > > Hello Burt, Not very long ago, there was quite a spirited debate on this list about this exact subject--programs like Accelerated Reader, Reader Rabbit, etc. that run only on Windows or Mac OS. That debate was instigated largely by me. At the moment, your options are to try it out on either WINE or its corporately-backed sibling, CrossOver Office. If someone has a spare (legal, that is) copy of any of these programs, I am willing to try it out on CrossOver Office, since I currently have access to the betas and nightly builds. --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From haysja at sages.us Sun Mar 6 00:53:36 2005 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 18:53:36 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] accelerated reader In-Reply-To: <002101c521d5$61a1c6f0$01fea8c0@brcHOST> References: <002101c521d5$61a1c6f0$01fea8c0@brcHOST> Message-ID: <1110070416.422a54900b939@sages.us> I think the best hope for AR is to go with the online (Renaissance Place) version. There are still hurdles, but it is more promising than the alternative. We run RP and, though we are not running it on any Linux terminals now because our middle school media specialist does not want AR in the library, we are VERY happy with it. It is browser based and is supposed to work with Netscape. I could not get it to work with Firefox in Sept - either Windows or Linux. I hope they have fixed that now. Quoting Barry R Cisna : > Hi , > > Ive tried for several hours to try to get Accelerated Reader to > work,,various versions ,,through WIne,, on K12LTSP v 4.20 to know avail.. > It installs fine,, but when trying to setup the database...and redirect > the usres to go to that database ,,this is the downfall,,there is no way to > change the database path?? > Anone else have any luck with AR? > > Thanks,, > > Barry CIsna > RR1 Box 213 > Gladstone, IL 61437 > > brcisna at frontiernet.net ----------------------------------------- Jim Hays Technology Director Monticello CUSD#25 Monticello, IL 61856 ----------------------------------------- From SHarbour at nwresd.k12.or.us Sun Mar 6 00:53:31 2005 From: SHarbour at nwresd.k12.or.us (Sean Harbour) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 16:53:31 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: PII and Dansguardian, traffic shaping and more...Warning - long post Message-ID: <646574B39C491E4D8573C54D35FFE52C058DA9@wsc-mail-01.intra.nwresd.k12.or.us> >I've set up a firewall using an old PII with Smoothwall Express [1], >Squid, and DansGuardian. Smoothwall has a setting to run as a >transparent filter. Seems to work pretty well. I don't know if >there might be throughput limits but it's worked fine on my small >home network. >http://www.smoothwall.org/ >-- >Henry A PII 233 running Dansguardian will handle around 20-30 active internet users OK.. A PII 400 handles it better, with noticeably quicker response. Note that 20-30 active internet users in a typical school translates to about 200 or so computers total, of which about 20-30 are actually using the internet at any particular instant. The rest are running at idle reading content that they have already downloaded or running local applications. I would recommend around a P3-600 or so with at least 256MB RAM, 512 is better. A 1 Ghz CPU is plenty, any more is probably overkill, but your situation may vary. Some of the schools I support use online testing which can stress the internet connection a bit. Usually the proxy is not the bottleneck though, it will typically be the internet connection speed. A lab or two of kids doing tests over the internet will max out a T1. Keep in mind that using a caching proxy for a school of this size will typically save 25% of your internet bandwidth used for web surfing, so it's a good thing. A good rule of thumb, as long as the CPU on your proxy is running at 70 percent utilization, with 100 percent spikes that last a second or two at your busiest time of the day, you are okay, but just barely. Typical load values should tend around .5 to 2, maybe jumping up to 3 or 4 for a minute or two during your busy times. Any more than this, upgrade the proxy box. http://www.ipcop.org is a viable alternative to Smoothwall. It's a derivative of Smoothwall, but there is no 'Lite' and 'Pro' version like in Smoothwall, with IPCop you get all the features for free. There is a Dansguardian plugin for it that will work in transparent mode, though I have noticed the link to the administrative webpage for DG is missing from the main admin page on the latest ipcop distro out of the box. Typing it in directly works, take a look at the cgi-bin directory for the file name. Setting this up, provided you have the hardware lying around, takes about half an hour. You will have to transfer some files to the Dansguardian box from a box with a web browser after the install, which means you need to use putty scp or similar from a windows box, or scp from an existing linux box. Average hardware would be a PII400, 256MB RAM, 2 ethernet cards, 3COM or Intel preferred but most will work fine, and a 2 GB hard drive. You can temporarily attach an IDE CDROM for the installation, but it doesn't need to stay on the machine after the install is complete. If you want a separate DMZ or wireless network, throw in a few more ethernet cards. This gives you an easy to install, easy to admin full featured firewall that will handle 100-200 computers. A real bonus with IPCOP is the traffic shaping option. Not sure if Smoothwall has that yet or not. Setup correctly, you can keep web browsing and other high priority traffic working smoothly while other traffic that would normally swamp your connection is also running. I have 4Mb cable internet at home, and a couple of bittorrent sessions downloading installation CDROM images makes internet browsing feel like I am on dial up again. With traffic shaping turned on, I can barely tell that my connection is almost maxed out. You won't believe the difference. If you have a problem with FTP or realaudio traffic slowing down legitimate browsing, you can make a huge difference. The limitation is that the traffic shaper can only adjust bandwidth by TCP port. This means you can classify FTP traffic as low priority on TCP port 21, and keep HTTP traffic on TCP port 80 more responsive by giving it a medium priority. FTP users won't really notice the difference in download speed, but web browsing will be a lot more usable if the FTP downloads are maxing out the connection. The downside is that the simple traffic shaping included with IPCop cannot differentiate between different types of traffic using the same TCP port. Still, it's pretty good. I hope this is helpful to someone. Sean Harbour -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(see 'man pkill') Don't want to ruin the uptime. After all, rebooting is for adding hardware (or maybe kernel updates). On Mar 5, 2005, at 3:47 PM, Brian Beck wrote: > M.Pribik wrote: >> During several days of server running I found out >> that some processes are staying in memmory, they belong >> to the root or to the real users that is not lodged on any more. >> Those processes are taking memmory uselessly. >> Does anybody know how to find out what processes are really needless >> /mainly from root/ >> and how safely remove them from the memmory? >> Thank you. Marian >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > I simply set up a cron job on my LTSP server to reboot the server at > 1AM every day. Clears the memory and starts anew. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkIqahkACgkQfqZR3ThMfXSMpwCdHxA3omOBHL8Q3l5+x2GbUw1O bo0AnRN4L1s2OwiKouE3hEZAB4vRbcfo =8amV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG Sun Mar 6 03:24:54 2005 From: HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Burroughs, Henry) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 22:24:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] accelerated reader Message-ID: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D78420073FD9@hhpmail.MEDIA.LOCAL> Barry, I've gotten it to work with an existing database, not created a new one. The trick is you browse to where the database is located (when you are trying to select it), go into the actual folder of the database, and click on one of the files in that folder. It will THEN select that folder for the database directory. You can read about it here under the forum. http://www.codeweavers.com/site/compatibility/browse/name?app_id=128;forum=1 Here are the entries you need to put in the wine "config" file (or your config file for Crossover under (/opt/cxoffice/support/dotwine, or ~/.cxoffice/support/dotwine for user installs). [AppDefaults\\arstu32.exe\\x11drv] "ClientSideAntiAliasWithRender" = "N" "ClientSideAntiAliasWithCore" = "N" [AppDefaults\\armgmt32.exe\\x11drv] "ClientSideAntiAliasWithRender" = "N" "ClientSideAntiAliasWithCore" = "N" [AppDefaults\\ardatadr.exe\\x11drv] "ClientSideAntiAliasWithRender" = "N" "ClientSideAntiAliasWithCore" = "N" Henry -----Original Message----- From: Barry R Cisna [mailto:brcisna at frontiernet.net] Sent: Sat 3/5/2005 5:47 PM To: K12OSN Cc: Subject: [K12OSN] accelerated reader Hi , Ive tried for several hours to try to get Accelerated Reader to work,,various versions ,,through WIne,, on K12LTSP v 4.20 to know avail.. It installs fine,, but when trying to setup the database...and redirect the usres to go to that database ,,this is the downfall,,there is no way to change the database path?? Anone else have any luck with AR? Thanks,, Barry CIsna RR1 Box 213 Gladstone, IL 61437 brcisna at frontiernet.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3136 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sun Mar 6 03:32:23 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 22:32:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] ldapscript In-Reply-To: <200503060000.j2600WA23110@downeast.net> References: <200503060000.j2600WA23110@downeast.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Saturday, March 5, 2005 at 8:02 PM +0000 wrote: >hi David: i found tonight my script works very nicely on fx 2 with a >couple >minor alterations...chuck cool send me a copy and I'll give a whirl too! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From sudev at m4linux.com Sun Mar 6 04:04:51 2005 From: sudev at m4linux.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 09:34:51 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] changing xscreensaver default time...how? In-Reply-To: References: < > <1109953992.11074.65.camel@shahms.mesd.k12.or.us> < > <1110025725.7297.1.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <1110081891.19738.16.camel@server.ltsp> On Sat, 2005-03-05 at 15:27 -0500, David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Saturday, March 5, 2005 at 7:28 AM +0000 wrote: > >Would running this from gdm.conf work? I usually run xosvies from > >gdm.conf so that the overall system situation is visible from any > >terminal that is not logged in but switched on. > > Can you explain this a bit more...I'm not following you...how do I do this? /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf is the file that runs the startup screen if /etc/sysconfig/desktop is set to run GDM as display manager (default in k12ltsp) So all the login screen attributes are controlled by this file. Position of login box / welcome message etc. etc. Look at the file it is easy to understand. It also allows you to run background programs at the log in screen itself, although file permissions and security have to be set properly. 1. To run any program in background uncomment the line and change to 0: #BackgroundType=2 Or you can set this to 1 and use custom images (Events / Teachers / Messages of the day) as we do by additionally uncommenting the line below and adding full path to picture. My system line is: BackgroundImage=/usr/share/pixmaps/MOTD.png 2. Uncomment and set this to true: #RunBackgroundProgramAlways=false 3. Uncomment and add the program (with full path) you wish to run here: #BackgroundProgram= I think this will set you on your way. In my case the program to run is set as: BackgroundProgram=/usr/X11R6/bin/xosview -geometry 100x300 HTH -- Sudev Barar From netdxr at gmail.com Sun Mar 6 04:05:49 2005 From: netdxr at gmail.com (Tom Lisjac) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 21:05:49 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] accelerated reader In-Reply-To: <002101c521d5$61a1c6f0$01fea8c0@brcHOST> References: <002101c521d5$61a1c6f0$01fea8c0@brcHOST> Message-ID: <863ff45205030520057f40287a@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 16:47:58 -0600, Barry R Cisna wrote: > ....but when trying to setup the database...and redirect > the usres to go to that database ,,this is the downfall,,there is no way to > change the database path?? > Anone else have any luck with AR? This was the same place it failed for us in 2002 when we were experimenting with running it under Wine. We couldn't get past it and it stopped us cold. We were thinking about revisting it with a current version to see if the problem had been solved... but this doesn't sound very encouraging. Were you using a recent copy of Wine for your test? Crossover Office is an outstanding product... wish we could afford it for the number of seat we'd need. -Tom From sudev at m4linux.com Sun Mar 6 04:07:44 2005 From: sudev at m4linux.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 09:37:44 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Fedora Update Problems In-Reply-To: <61bfa74305030512137b7f0d1f@mail.gmail.com> References: <33398.10.130.156.8.1110030431.squirrel@webmail.sendit.nodak.edu> <1110053077.12167.5.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <61bfa74305030512137b7f0d1f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1110082064.19738.20.camel@server.ltsp> On Sat, 2005-03-05 at 14:13 -0600, Steve Honeycutt wrote: > You two (not Les) are talking about leaving their labs and I would > love nothing more than to be able to work with one of my local school > systems and setup a lab for them. > > Trouble is... I am not so sure on how to approach - pitch the idea to > the appropiate person/people. > > :((( > Jumping in late but if possible why not look at remote supporting by using ssh log in and doing needed stuff? We do remote server setups and supports all the time for our web hosted data-center servers all the time. -- Sudev Barar From ddaniels at magic.fr Sun Mar 6 06:36:53 2005 From: ddaniels at magic.fr (ddaniels at magic.fr) Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 22:36:53 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] killing a user's processes -- solution In-Reply-To: <20050305152158.53978.qmail@web41621.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050305152158.53978.qmail@web41621.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <422AA505.70002@magic.fr> Yes, handy one that.. but, when you ps -aux and identify a problem user name it only shows eight chars. of the user's name... it just occurred to me that pkill -u usernam* might work... Thanks for sharing Rob! pkill is a teacher's friend! :) Dennis Rob Owens wrote: >I know I've seen a lot of people asking about this in >the past, so I figured I'd share something I came >across while googling. > >pkill -u username > >this will kill every process owned by "username" > >-Rob > > > > >__________________________________ >Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! >Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web >http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > -- lost and found: www.dennisgdaniels.com 951 347 9711 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Common Usage: slay Joseph On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 22:36:53 -0800, ddaniels at magic.fr wrote: > Yes, handy one that.. but, when you ps -aux and identify a problem user > name it only shows eight chars. of the user's name... it just occurred > to me that pkill -u usernam* might work... > > Thanks for sharing Rob! pkill is a teacher's friend! > :) > > Dennis > > Rob Owens wrote: > > >I know I've seen a lot of people asking about this in > >the past, so I figured I'd share something I came > >across while googling. > > > >pkill -u username > > > >this will kill every process owned by "username" > > > >-Rob > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________ > >Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! > >Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web > >http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > > > > > > -- > lost and found: > www.dennisgdaniels.com > 951 347 9711 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > From brcisna at frontiernet.net Sun Mar 6 07:21:00 2005 From: brcisna at frontiernet.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 01:21:00 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] how to hardcode proxy settings in firefox(fixed) Message-ID: <001701c5221d$0e520760$01fea8c0@brcHOST> Hi LIST, I've come up with an easy fix for the Firefox proxy settings globally/(for all users),, I'll explain in steps,,how to hand edit the >ONE< file that is all that needs to be EASILY edited. the ONE file you are looking to edit is all.js in K12LTSP 4.2.0 it is located at /usr/lib/firefox-1.0/greprefs/all.js in K12LTSP 4.1.x it is located at /usr/lib/mozilla-1.7.3/ for older K12LTSP versions do a terminal>locate all.js and go to it ,there, to gedit it. 1. go to the all.js and right click, and select open with text editor (gedit) 2. scroll about three forths of the way down in this file and you'll need to edit the lines,starting at: pref("network.proxy.type", 0) 3. change the 0(zero) in the above line to a 1(one) 4. edit the next ten lines to correlate to your proxy server numbers. 5. put your proxyserver IP address between the ""quotes in the the following lines 6. put your port number were the following 0(zeros) are. 7. save changes to your newly edited all.js file by clicking the SAVE in gedit. 8. done. 9. test by logging in as user joe schmoe and you should see the proxy settings alrady entered in the "Connection Settings", in the firefox /preferences. 10. ( You should have edited a total of 11 lines in all.js if everything was done right.) 11. if you have mulitple K12LTSP severs that point to this same proxytserver,an easy way to replicate this ,after you have your editing done right is: 12. from the current server you are on, do a terminal,> then, # rsync -avz /usr/lib/firefox-1.0/greprefs/all.js otherserveripaddress:/usr/lib/firefox-1.0/greprefs/all.js this will sync the edited all.js file to your other servers with the values you want in all of them 13. Walla! BTW: this does not make these settings (locked), to were users can delete the settings,if they can find them!:(. Hope this helps some poor sap ,like me! Take it easy. Barry CIsna RR1 Box 213 Gladstone, IL 61437 brcisna at frontiernet.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mpribik at zoznam.sk Sun Mar 6 08:54:18 2005 From: mpribik at zoznam.sk (M.Pribik) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 09:54:18 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Clearing the server memmory References: <000801c521c9$bebeb700$0100a8c0@Marian><422A28DE.8080204@comcast.net> <33f4d70f7d0fab02d0cf265c9f2b6119@mindfirestudios.com> Message-ID: <000401c5222a$15345850$0100a8c0@Marian> Yes, this is the softer solution than reboot. Using pkill is simple if real user remained in memmory. Me, as administrator lodged as root also have same dummy processes in memmory. And that is the problem. Several days ago I killed some /by my opinion/ dummy processes and I crashed the sever so, that I can not finish rebooting / problem somewhere around X server/ and I had to reinstall K12. The question is, if there exists some aid how to determine whether the process in memmory is dummy or not. Thanks. Marian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Burke Almquist" To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 3:25 AM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Clearing the server memmory > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > You might try looking at using pkill to kill user processes instead of > rebooting. > (see 'man pkill') > Don't want to ruin the uptime. After all, rebooting is for adding > hardware (or maybe kernel updates). > On Mar 5, 2005, at 3:47 PM, Brian Beck wrote: > > > M.Pribik wrote: > >> During several days of server running I found out > >> that some processes are staying in memmory, they belong > >> to the root or to the real users that is not lodged on any more. > >> Those processes are taking memmory uselessly. > >> Does anybody know how to find out what processes are really needless > >> /mainly from root/ > >> and how safely remove them from the memmory? > >> Thank you. Marian > >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> -- > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see > > > > I simply set up a cron job on my LTSP server to reboot the server at > > 1AM every day. Clears the memory and starts anew. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) > > iEYEARECAAYFAkIqahkACgkQfqZR3ThMfXSMpwCdHxA3omOBHL8Q3l5+x2GbUw1O > bo0AnRN4L1s2OwiKouE3hEZAB4vRbcfo > =8amV > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > __________ Informacia od NOD32 1.1018 (20050305) __________ > > Tato sprava bola preverena antivirusovym systemom NOD32. > http://www.eset.sk > > From kshoemaker at maldenpubliclibrary.org Sun Mar 6 12:34:22 2005 From: kshoemaker at maldenpubliclibrary.org (Kristin Shoemaker) Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 07:34:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] lts.conf/Mtools/Floppy Access problems Message-ID: <20050306123422.7374.qmail@hoster900.com> I am having some issues with floppy access on my K12LTSP boxes. It was working great, then suddenly stopped. I checked lts.conf (just to be doubly sure) and floppyd line is not commented out... Yet I'm getting the error that the drive cannot be initialized. Permission denied. (sorry I can't give more information, I'm actually writing this from home) I thought initially a drive had gone bad, but then realized all three machines were doing it. I think it's unlikely all three machines went south... Is there something else I can try? thanks so much Kristin ***************** Kristin Shoemaker Reference/Systems Librarian Malden Public Library 36 Salem Street Malden, MA 02148 781-324-0218 From cliebow at downeast.net Sun Mar 6 12:49:15 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 12:49:15 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] ldapscript Message-ID: <200503061147.j26BlGk02891@downeast.net> that would be great il write up a litle howto..i do notice that smaba.schema changes wit every release of samba..chuck > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Saturday, March 5, 2005 at 8:02 PM +0000 wrote: > >hi David: i found tonight my script works very nicely on fx 2 with a > >couple > >minor alterations...chuck > > cool send me a copy and I'll give a whirl too! > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From cliebow at downeast.net Sun Mar 6 13:04:35 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 13:04:35 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] ldapscript Message-ID: <200503061202.j26C2Zk04269@downeast.net> the script assumes you have thre perl modules smbldap-0.8.7 (modules are in /usr/sbin) and stock samba.schema is in /etc/openldap/schema.. it prompts for domain (like vassalbobro .vcs.whatever.us), a name for the samba server and root pw..the rest should just work..chuck al other user accts default to Pa55word and require pw change at next login.. > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Saturday, March 5, 2005 at 8:02 PM +0000 wrote: > >hi David: i found tonight my script works very nicely on fx 2 with a > >couple > >minor alterations...chuck > > cool send me a copy and I'll give a whirl too! > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: final Type: application/octet-stream Size: 24427 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(sorry I can't give more information, I'm actually writing this from home) I thought initially a drive had gone bad, but then realized all three machines were doing it. I think it's unlikely all three machines went south... Is there something else I can try? thanks so much Kristin ***************** Kristin Shoemaker Reference/Systems Librarian Malden Public Library 36 Salem Street Malden, MA 02148 781-324-0218 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3096 bytes Desc: not available URL: From kshoemaker at maldenpubliclibrary.org Sun Mar 6 13:51:01 2005 From: kshoemaker at maldenpubliclibrary.org (Kristin Shoemaker) Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 08:51:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] lts.conf/Mtools/Floppy Access problems Message-ID: <20050306135101.6335.qmail@hoster900.com> No... I thought they would, but they don't... Thanks, Kristin ***************** Kristin Shoemaker Reference/Systems Librarian Malden Public Library 36 Salem Street Malden, MA 02148 781-324-0218 -------Original Message------- > From: "Burroughs, Henry" > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] lts.conf/Mtools/Floppy Access problems > Sent: Mar 06 2005 08:41:12 > > Do the floppies work again after you reboot the machines? > > Henry > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kristin Shoemaker [mailto:kshoemaker at maldenpubliclibrary.org] > Sent: Sun 3/6/2005 7:34 AM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Cc: > Subject: [K12OSN] lts.conf/Mtools/Floppy Access problems > > I am having some issues with floppy access on my K12LTSP boxes. It was working great, then suddenly stopped. I checked lts.conf (just to be doubly sure) and floppyd line is not commented out... > > Yet I'm getting the error that the drive cannot be initialized. Permission denied. (sorry I can't give more information, I'm actually writing this from home) > > I thought initially a drive had gone bad, but then realized all three machines were doing it. I think it's unlikely all three machines went south... Is there something else I can try? > > thanks so much > Kristin > > ***************** > Kristin Shoemaker > Reference/Systems Librarian > Malden Public Library > 36 Salem Street > Malden, MA 02148 > 781-324-0218 -------Original Message------- From cliebow at downeast.net Sun Mar 6 13:52:42 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 13:52:42 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] ldapscript Message-ID: <200503061250.j26Cogk10050@downeast.net> sorry sent rhel3 one first..chuck > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Saturday, March 5, 2005 at 8:02 PM +0000 wrote: > >hi David: i found tonight my script works very nicely on fx 2 with a > >couple > >minor alterations...chuck > > cool send me a copy and I'll give a whirl too! > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: finalforfc2 Type: application/octet-stream Size: 24427 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ken.tech1 at gmail.com Sun Mar 6 14:17:44 2005 From: ken.tech1 at gmail.com (Ken Johnson) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 06:17:44 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Router mystery Message-ID: <1eb89cf205030606174f809994@mail.gmail.com> I'm a newbie trying to test k12LTSP on my home network that consists of: cable modem --->Netgear MR814 Router--->PCs When I connect the k12LTSP server (eth1) to the router it doesn't see the Internet. When I connect the k12LTSP server (eth1) directly to the cable modem it DOES see the internet. Why? Is there any way I can put the k12LTSP server behind my router so my Windows stand-alone machines can share internet access? I also use VOIP (Vonage) , so when I am using k12LTSP on the internet, I lose phone service. Obviously this is not winning me any friends in my household. How can I connect eth1 to my router, so the Linux workstations have access to the internet? I also have a linux box loaded with FC3 and just a single NIC, connected to the router and it HAS internet access. What do I need to do to get k12LTSP to see the internet behind my router? Maybe one day Linux will be less of a mystery to me, but right now... Ken Johnson From support at 499pc.net Sun Mar 6 14:27:24 2005 From: support at 499pc.net (Charles Hale) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 06:27:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Router mystery In-Reply-To: <1eb89cf205030606174f809994@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20050306142724.16922.qmail@web210.biz.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Ken: Your VoIP box should be plugged into your Cable Modem and your router should be plugged into your VoIP box. I'm assuming that your router is capable of DHCP. Use your network GUI to set eth1 to obtain DHCP automatically. The IP address given out by your router and Linux box should not be in the same range. Chuck Hale, --- Ken Johnson wrote: > I'm a newbie trying to test k12LTSP on my home > network that consists of: > > cable modem --->Netgear MR814 Router--->PCs > > When I connect the k12LTSP server (eth1) to the > router it doesn't see > the Internet. > > When I connect the k12LTSP server (eth1) directly > to the cable modem > it DOES see the internet. Why? > > Is there any way I can put the k12LTSP server behind > my router so my > Windows stand-alone machines can share internet > access? > > I also use VOIP (Vonage) , so when I am using > k12LTSP on the internet, > I lose phone service. Obviously this is not winning > me any friends in > my household. > > How can I connect eth1 to my router, so the Linux > workstations have > access to the internet? > > I also have a linux box loaded with FC3 and just a > single NIC, > connected to the router and it HAS internet access. > > What do I need to do to get k12LTSP to see the > internet behind my router? > > Maybe one day Linux will be less of a mystery to me, > but right now... > > Ken Johnson > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ericbrown at mi-spot.com Sun Mar 6 14:29:35 2005 From: ericbrown at mi-spot.com (Eric Brown) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 08:29:35 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Router mystery In-Reply-To: <1eb89cf205030606174f809994@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200503061419.j26EJ8J08252@www.mi-spot.com> There are a lot of unknowns here. I'm going to guess that your cable modem is pushing out DHCP. I also bet your WAN link on your router is set to take DHCP, and I bet it's also pushing out DHCP to your internal network. I know on my K12LTPS setup, eth1 is the card used to send linux out to the clients, so it has a static IP of 192.168.0.1, and it pushes out DHCP. Have you tried plugging eth0 into your router? If you intend to try out a thin client in your home, I don't think it will work with your router. You'll need a switch (or a hub will do if you're just going to test one thin client). I'm really just guessing in the dark here, but if your setup is like most who aren't familiar with networking, I think I'm close. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Ken Johnson Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 8:18 AM To: K12LTSP Subject: [K12OSN] Router mystery I'm a newbie trying to test k12LTSP on my home network that consists of: cable modem --->Netgear MR814 Router--->PCs When I connect the k12LTSP server (eth1) to the router it doesn't see the Internet. When I connect the k12LTSP server (eth1) directly to the cable modem it DOES see the internet. Why? Is there any way I can put the k12LTSP server behind my router so my Windows stand-alone machines can share internet access? I also use VOIP (Vonage) , so when I am using k12LTSP on the internet, I lose phone service. Obviously this is not winning me any friends in my household. How can I connect eth1 to my router, so the Linux workstations have access to the internet? I also have a linux box loaded with FC3 and just a single NIC, connected to the router and it HAS internet access. What do I need to do to get k12LTSP to see the internet behind my router? Maybe one day Linux will be less of a mystery to me, but right now... Ken Johnson _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From missive at hotmail.com Sun Mar 6 14:42:29 2005 From: missive at hotmail.com (Lee Harr) Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 19:12:29 +0430 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: time stopped Message-ID: >>>>[root at loftern lee]# date >>>>Mon Feb 14 14:20:00 EST 2005 >>>>[root at loftern lee]# date >>>>Mon Feb 14 14:20:01 EST 2005 >>>>[root at loftern lee]# date >>>>Mon Feb 14 14:20:02 EST 2005 >>>>[root at loftern lee]# date >>>>Mon Feb 14 14:20:01 EST 2005 >>>>[root at loftern lee]# date >>>>Mon Feb 14 14:20:02 EST 2005 >>>> >>>>It's about 10 minutes later and we're up to about 14:20:05. >>>> >>>>What's going on here? >>>Should I try the non-SMP kernel? >>> >>>I also see this: >>>atkbd.c: Keyboard on isa0060/serio0 reports too many keys pressed. >>> >>>Maybe a faulty keyboard creating an interrupt storm? I can try a new >>>keyboard next time I go over there... >>> > > >>I can't recall if you posted the setup of your server or not... but, if >>you >>are using a KVM switch I would suggest hooking up a keyboard directly to >>the >>server, or a different keyboard. >> >>What kernel are you using? Have you tried a custom kernel? >> > Eventually what I did was use the non-smp kernel and that solved the problem. Maybe an interaction with hyperthreading or acpi... not sure. Thanks for your help. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From bear2bar at netscape.net Sun Mar 6 16:28:19 2005 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 11:28:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12ltsp V 4.1.1 & new(er) kernels problem Message-ID: <422B2FA3.1090600@netscape.net> HI, I'm not sure how or why but the newer releases of the kernel are causing my system to "crash" - "kernel panic system stopped you may reboot now" Specs Computer IBM Intellistation M PRo Dual P-III 550Mhz 1 GB memory 80 GB IDE & 9 GB SCSI 32 x CDROM 10/100 NIC, Video onboard These are the kernels on the system; and only from Fedora Core (2.6.9-1.11_FC2smp) or before work, (those bolded) all the others give exactly the same error. It doesn't matter whether I use SMP or single same problem. cat /etc/grub.conf # grub.conf generated by anaconda # # Note that you do not have to rerun grub after making changes to this file # NOTICE: You have a /boot partition. This means that # all kernel and initrd paths are relative to /boot/, eg. # root (hd0,0) # kernel /vmlinuz-version ro root=/dev/hda6 # initrd /initrd-version.img #boot=/dev/hda timeout 5 splashimage=(hd0,0)/grub/splash.xpm.gz default=1 title Fedora Core (2.6.10-1.14_FC2smp) root (hd0,0) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.10-1.14_FC2smp ro root=LABEL=/ rhgb initrd /initrd-2.6.10-1.14_FC2smp.img title Fedora Core (2.6.10-1.14_FC2) root (hd0,0) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.10-1.14_FC2 ro root=LABEL=/ rhgb initrd /initrd-2.6.10-1.14_FC2.img title Fedora Core (2.6.10-1.12_FC2) root (hd0,0) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.10-1.12_FC2 ro root=LABEL=/ rhgb initrd /initrd-2.6.10-1.12_FC2.img title Fedora Core (2.6.10-1.12_FC2smp) root (hd0,0) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.10-1.12_FC2smp ro root=LABEL=/ rhgb initrd /initrd-2.6.10-1.12_FC2smp.img title Fedora Core (2.6.10-1.9_FC2) root (hd0,0) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.10-1.9_FC2 ro root=LABEL=/ rhgb initrd /initrd-2.6.10-1.9_FC2.img title Fedora Core (2.6.10-1.9_FC2smp) root (hd0,0) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.10-1.9_FC2smp ro root=LABEL=/ rhgb initrd /initrd-2.6.10-1.9_FC2smp.img title Fedora Core (2.6.10-1.8_FC2smp) root (hd0,0) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.10-1.8_FC2smp ro root=LABEL=/ rhgb initrd /initrd-2.6.10-1.8_FC2smp.img title Fedora Core (2.6.10-1.8_FC2) root (hd0,0) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.10-1.8_FC2 ro root=LABEL=/ rhgb initrd /initrd-2.6.10-1.8_FC2.img title Fedora Core (2.6.9-1.11_FC2smp) root (hd0,0) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.9-1.11_FC2smp ro root=LABEL=/ rhgb initrd /initrd-2.6.9-1.11_FC2smp.img title Fedora Core (2.6.9-1.11_FC2) root (hd0,0) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.9-1.11_FC2 ro root=LABEL=/ rhgb initrd /initrd-2.6.9-1.11_FC2.img title Fedora Core (2.6.9-1.6_FC2smp) root (hd0,0) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.9-1.6_FC2smp ro root=LABEL=/ rhgb initrd /initrd-2.6.9-1.6_FC2smp.img thks norbert -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robark at gmail.com Sun Mar 6 18:13:52 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 10:13:52 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12ltsp V 4.1.1 & new(er) kernels problem In-Reply-To: <422B2FA3.1090600@netscape.net> References: <422B2FA3.1090600@netscape.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 06 Mar 2005 11:28:19 -0500, norbert wrote: > HI, > > I'm not sure how or why but the newer releases of the kernel are causing > my system to "crash" - "kernel panic system stopped you may reboot now" Fedora Project since it's inception has been a test/experiment platform for Redhat. Therefore, I don't expect Fedora to be totally stable, especially with smp systems under heavy load that an LTSP server experiences. That's not to say everyone will experience flakyness but I don't think everyone should expect rock solid stability. An alternative is to use Centos 4 and add LTSP or wait till K12LTSP moves over to Ubuntu (which is Debian based) Once Sarge comes out (soon) Ubuntu will reap the stability, support and longevity of Debian stable. BTW I'm using 3.1.2 (RH9). My only real regret is not being able to run Scribus, Inkscape and GIMP 2.x -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From les at futuresource.com Sun Mar 6 18:17:04 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 12:17:04 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Router mystery In-Reply-To: <1eb89cf205030606174f809994@mail.gmail.com> References: <1eb89cf205030606174f809994@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1110133024.29013.9.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2005-03-06 at 08:17, Ken Johnson wrote: > I'm a newbie trying to test k12LTSP on my home network that consists of: > > cable modem --->Netgear MR814 Router--->PCs > > When I connect the k12LTSP server (eth1) to the router it doesn't see > the Internet. > > When I connect the k12LTSP server (eth1) directly to the cable modem > it DOES see the internet. Why? This should work if the k12ltsp box is getting settings via DHCP in both cases. One possible problem would be if the router is set to NAT to 192.168.0.0/24 and the k12ltsp box is also using 192.168.0.0/24 on eth0. You can see this with: ifconfig -a after getting a dhcp address from the router. The two interfaces much have different subnet numbers. You can change either one but if you going to test k12ltsp and reinstall often you might want to leave the default there and change the one on the router. The router should have a web interface for this and any other number in the 3rd position (192.168.x.1 for the router, 192.168.x.0/24 - netmask 255.255.255.0 for the net) will work. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Sun Mar 6 18:45:38 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 12:45:38 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12ltsp V 4.1.1 & new(er) kernels problem In-Reply-To: References: <422B2FA3.1090600@netscape.net> Message-ID: <1110134738.29013.34.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2005-03-06 at 12:13, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > Fedora Project since it's inception has been a test/experiment > platform for Redhat. Therefore, I don't expect Fedora to be totally > stable, especially with smp systems under heavy load that an LTSP > server experiences. That's not to say everyone will experience > flakyness but I don't think everyone should expect rock solid > stability. That's not exactly fair - the changes in fedora are made to improve performance and add new device support, so some people will experience the best performance under the new kernels. But, the lack of widespread testing does mean that certain other hardware will exhibit problems from the changes. I've found several machines that will not run at least one of RH9/FC1/FC2 but works fine with one of the others and is perfectly stable then. However Centos3.x will install and run on all of them. I haven't repeated the tests to include FC3 and Centos4 on the problem machines yet - so far I haven't had a problem with FC3 where I've tried it and Centos4 was just released. > An alternative is to use Centos 4 and add LTSP or wait till > K12LTSP moves over to Ubuntu (which is Debian based) Once Sarge comes > out (soon) Ubuntu will reap the stability, support and longevity of > Debian stable. Errr, I thought the main advantage of Ubuntu was that they weren't strictly following the Debian release schedule (or lack thereof). > BTW I'm using 3.1.2 (RH9). My only real regret is not being able to > run Scribus, Inkscape and GIMP 2.x If you've updated to any anywhere near current firefox, evolution and OOo, you've probably done more work than dropping in k12ltsp 4.2. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From ddaniels at magic.fr Sun Mar 6 21:11:31 2005 From: ddaniels at magic.fr (ddaniels at magic.fr) Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 13:11:31 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12ltsp V 4.1.1 & new(er) kernels problem In-Reply-To: <1110134738.29013.34.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <422B2FA3.1090600@netscape.net> <1110134738.29013.34.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <422B7203.7000204@magic.fr> I have had similar problems with earlier kernels in FC3. Various kernel panics rendered my dual Xeon dumb to the OS. I backed out to FC2 and then reinstalled FC3 and use the latest kernel, since a week ago. No problems since. best of luck! Dennis Les Mikesell wrote: >On Sun, 2005-03-06 at 12:13, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > > >>Fedora Project since it's inception has been a test/experiment >>platform for Redhat. Therefore, I don't expect Fedora to be totally >>stable, especially with smp systems under heavy load that an LTSP >>server experiences. That's not to say everyone will experience >>flakyness but I don't think everyone should expect rock solid >>stability. >> >> > >That's not exactly fair - the changes in fedora are made to >improve performance and add new device support, so some people >will experience the best performance under the new kernels. But, >the lack of widespread testing does mean that certain other hardware >will exhibit problems from the changes. I've found several machines >that will not run at least one of RH9/FC1/FC2 but works fine with >one of the others and is perfectly stable then. However Centos3.x >will install and run on all of them. I haven't repeated the tests >to include FC3 and Centos4 on the problem machines yet - so far I >haven't had a problem with FC3 where I've tried it and Centos4 was >just released. > > > > >>An alternative is to use Centos 4 and add LTSP or wait till >>K12LTSP moves over to Ubuntu (which is Debian based) Once Sarge comes >>out (soon) Ubuntu will reap the stability, support and longevity of >>Debian stable. >> >> > >Errr, I thought the main advantage of Ubuntu was that they weren't >strictly following the Debian release schedule (or lack thereof). > > > >>BTW I'm using 3.1.2 (RH9). My only real regret is not being able to >>run Scribus, Inkscape and GIMP 2.x >> >> > >If you've updated to any anywhere near current firefox, evolution and >OOo, you've probably done more work than dropping in k12ltsp 4.2. > > > -- lost and found: www.dennisgdaniels.com 951 347 9711 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ddaniels.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 190 bytes Desc: not available URL: From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sun Mar 6 21:37:10 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 16:37:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Router mystery In-Reply-To: <1110133024.29013.9.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <1eb89cf205030606174f809994@mail.gmail.com> <1110133024.29013.9.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <422B7806.6070303@cmosnetworks.com> Les Mikesell wrote: >On Sun, 2005-03-06 at 08:17, Ken Johnson wrote: > > >>I'm a newbie trying to test k12LTSP on my home network that consists of: >> >>cable modem --->Netgear MR814 Router--->PCs >> >>When I connect the k12LTSP server (eth1) to the router it doesn't see >>the Internet. >> >>When I connect the k12LTSP server (eth1) directly to the cable modem >>it DOES see the internet. Why? >> >> > >This should work if the k12ltsp box is getting settings via DHCP in >both cases. One possible problem would be if the router is >set to NAT to 192.168.0.0/24 and the k12ltsp box is also using >192.168.0.0/24 on eth0. You can see this with: >ifconfig -a >after getting a dhcp address from the router. The two interfaces >much have different subnet numbers. You can change either one >but if you going to test k12ltsp and reinstall often you might >want to leave the default there and change the one on the >router. The router should have a web interface for this and >any other number in the 3rd position (192.168.x.1 for the router, >192.168.x.0/24 - netmask 255.255.255.0 for the net) will work. > > > True; I ran into this before, here at home. My router NATs to 192.168.0.0/24, which is why I started using 172.16.0.0/24 on the K12LTSP server. You can also tell your router to start NATing to something other than 192.168.0.0/24 (say, 172.16.20.0/24, or 192.168.199.0/24, for example). The other thing you want to make sure of is that you reboot your cable modem after plugging something new into it. Every cable modem that I've ever touched (it's been hundreds) seems to lock onto the first MAC address that it sees, e. g. your PC. If you plug anything else into it afterward, the cable modem will say, "Oops, I'm 'married' to someone else, sorry" and will not bridge traffic. The solution is to simply power-cycle the cable modem after you plug something different (say, a router) into it. I've run Netgears, Linksys's, and Ciscos of various types off of cable modems, and all work great. --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sun Mar 6 21:55:44 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 16:55:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12ltsp V 4.1.1 & new(er) kernels problem In-Reply-To: <1110134738.29013.34.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <422B2FA3.1090600@netscape.net> <1110134738.29013.34.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <422B7C60.8040906@cmosnetworks.com> Les Mikesell wrote: > >>BTW I'm using 3.1.2 (RH9). My only real regret is not being able to >>run Scribus, Inkscape and GIMP 2.x >> >> > >If you've updated to any anywhere near current firefox, evolution and >OOo, you've probably done more work than dropping in k12ltsp 4.2. > > > Actually, it's not that hard to upgrade Firefox, Evolution, or OO.o. For Evolution, I simply use Red Carpet, which handles all dependencies for me and runs great on RHL 9. Takes between five and ten minutes. OO.o and Firefox are, I find, rather easy to upgrade; it takes me just a few minutes and leaves the rest of my system intact. Now, while it is true that a network install of K12LTSP--any version--can take as little as 20 minutes, you then have to backup/restore the userID/password database and be concerned about users' desktops having strange icons on them, depending on the desktop(s) that you allow them to have. I'm assuming a "clean install" of K12LTSP here, which is the only way I really trust. I guess it depends on the individual sysadmin's situation. In my current case, it's much less work to upgrade certain apps and leave the base system intact, plus I have the peace of mind of a known working system. For those who have implemented LDAP authentication infrastructures, use K12LTSP only for running apps (no file/printer serving, etc., /home is NFS-mounted on a dedicated server), and tell the K12LTSP server to authenticate against LDAP, then upgrading an entire K12LTSP system is not nearly as risky a proposition. That's, BTW, why I'm currently studying LDAP. :-) I need to be able to set that kind of thing up. --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From les at futuresource.com Sun Mar 6 22:45:03 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 16:45:03 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12ltsp V 4.1.1 & new(er) kernels problem In-Reply-To: <422B7C60.8040906@cmosnetworks.com> References: <422B2FA3.1090600@netscape.net> <1110134738.29013.34.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <422B7C60.8040906@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <1110149102.29622.7.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2005-03-06 at 15:55, "Terrell Prud??, Jr." wrote: > I'm > assuming a "clean install" of K12LTSP here, which is the only way I > really trust. You can do a 'mostly clean' install if you have /home on a separate partition. Just don't reformat /home, and patch up your passwd/shadow/group/gshadow files to include all the old users above uid 500. There can still be some problems with things that expect a new dotfile format in home directories. > For those who have implemented LDAP authentication > infrastructures, use K12LTSP only for running apps (no file/printer > serving, etc., /home is NFS-mounted on a dedicated server), and tell the > K12LTSP server to authenticate against LDAP, then upgrading an entire > K12LTSP system is not nearly as risky a proposition. That's, BTW, why > I'm currently studying LDAP. :-) I need to be able to set that kind of > thing up. Having this will also let you run a test system with the next version concurrently, accessing the same home directories so you'll know what to expect. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sun Mar 6 22:49:31 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 17:49:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12ltsp V 4.1.1 & new(er) kernels problem In-Reply-To: <1110149102.29622.7.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <422B2FA3.1090600@netscape.net> <1110134738.29013.34.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <422B7C60.8040906@cmosnetworks.com> <1110149102.29622.7.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <422B88FB.4000409@cmosnetworks.com> Les Mikesell wrote: >On Sun, 2005-03-06 at 15:55, "Terrell Prud??, Jr." wrote: > > >>I'm >>assuming a "clean install" of K12LTSP here, which is the only way I >>really trust. >> >> > >You can do a 'mostly clean' install if you have /home on a separate >partition. Just don't reformat /home, and patch up your >passwd/shadow/group/gshadow files to include all the old users >above uid 500. There can still be some problems with things >that expect a new dotfile format in home directories. > > > >>For those who have implemented LDAP authentication >>infrastructures, use K12LTSP only for running apps (no file/printer >>serving, etc., /home is NFS-mounted on a dedicated server), and tell the >>K12LTSP server to authenticate against LDAP, then upgrading an entire >>K12LTSP system is not nearly as risky a proposition. That's, BTW, why >>I'm currently studying LDAP. :-) I need to be able to set that kind of >>thing up. >> >> > >Having this will also let you run a test system with the next version >concurrently, accessing the same home directories so you'll know >what to expect. > > > Agreed on both points. --TP _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Mar 7 00:25:54 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 19:25:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] ldapscript In-Reply-To: <200503061147.j26BlGk02891@downeast.net> References: <200503061147.j26BlGk02891@downeast.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Sunday, March 6, 2005 at 7:49 AM +0000 wrote: >smaba.schema changes wit every release of samba Yes...it does...dammit. ;-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From cliebow at downeast.net Mon Mar 7 01:32:30 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 01:32:30 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] ldapscript Message-ID: <200503070030.j270URk20448@downeast.net> theonly diff i saw between rhel3 and fc2 was the first entry describng the root of the ldap directory..if you lok inside the script you should see the diff..that is what i like about the simplistci linear approach.Siince i am notperl-guy enoughto get the full context of Matt's scriptproblemsare easier to debug...chuck > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Sunday, March 6, 2005 at 7:49 AM +0000 wrote: > >smaba.schema changes wit every release of samba > > Yes...it does...dammit. ;-) > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From cliebow at downeast.net Mon Mar 7 01:52:54 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 01:52:54 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] ldapscript Message-ID: <200503070050.j270ook22294@downeast.net> in case you get that far..itlooks for a filewith usernames takenfromfirst field ofdoamain name so vassalboro.com would look for vassalboro.csv to containuser names..chuck > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Sunday, March 6, 2005 at 7:49 AM +0000 wrote: > >smaba.schema changes wit every release of samba > > Yes...it does...dammit. ;-) > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From robark at gmail.com Mon Mar 7 03:12:12 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 19:12:12 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12ltsp V 4.1.1 & new(er) kernels problem In-Reply-To: <1110134738.29013.34.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <422B2FA3.1090600@netscape.net> <1110134738.29013.34.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 06 Mar 2005 12:45:38 -0600, Les Mikesell wrote: > Errr, I thought the main advantage of Ubuntu was that they weren't > strictly following the Debian release schedule (or lack thereof). Yes that's true. I think Ubuntu is on a 6 month cycle. Hopefully, Ubuntu can benefit from Debian stable patches. IMHO, Debian stable (soon to be Sarge) would be the best distro for K12LTSP. So moving to Ubuntu would make it much easier if people wanted to use Debian. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Mon Mar 7 04:06:31 2005 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 20:06:31 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12ltsp V 4.1.1 & new(er) kernels problem In-Reply-To: References: <422B2FA3.1090600@netscape.net> <1110134738.29013.34.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1110168391.6164.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2005-03-06 at 19:12 -0800, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On Sun, 06 Mar 2005 12:45:38 -0600, Les Mikesell wrote: > > > Errr, I thought the main advantage of Ubuntu was that they weren't > > strictly following the Debian release schedule (or lack thereof). > > Yes that's true. I think Ubuntu is on a 6 month cycle. Hopefully, > Ubuntu can benefit from Debian stable patches. IMHO, Debian stable > (soon to be Sarge) would be the best distro for K12LTSP. So moving to > Ubuntu would make it much easier if people wanted to use Debian. Ugh. Debian Woody is, what, almost 3 years old? Waaay too long to wait between releases for a desktop OS. The desktop space is where improvements are being made most rapidly, which is as it should be in a "feature-rich environment." I'd rather not be saddled w/ a 2.4 kernel, Mozilla 1.0, Evolution 1.0, etc. Ubuntu plans to release every six months, but maintain releases for 18 months. 4.10 was release in October of last year (see the connection? Version numbers are actually date-stamps) and will be maintained until April 2006. -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Mar 7 04:59:54 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 20:59:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Starting work on 4.2.1 Message-ID: I'm finally back from three week's worth of vacation, R&D work, & conferences. I started work on K12LTSP 4.2.1. So far I have included all of the security & bug fixes. What is new that should be considered for inclusion? Off the top of my head: * the official Fedora Extras repository * Inkscape Is the LDAP script ready to be included? (perhaps just in /opt/ltsp/scripts?) -Eric From luis.montes at cox.net Mon Mar 7 05:59:08 2005 From: luis.montes at cox.net (Luis Montes) Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 22:59:08 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Starting work on 4.2.1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <422BEDAC.5070102@cox.net> One thing of the top of my head: Include the fix to Icewm to not launch icewmbg, or the latest version that fixes the problem. Luis Eric Harrison wrote: > > I'm finally back from three week's worth of vacation, R&D work, & > conferences. > > I started work on K12LTSP 4.2.1. So far I have included all of the > security & bug fixes. > > What is new that should be considered for inclusion? Off the top of > my head: > > * the official Fedora Extras repository > * Inkscape > > Is the LDAP script ready to be included? (perhaps just in > /opt/ltsp/scripts?) > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Mar 7 05:25:57 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 21:25:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Starting work on 4.2.1 In-Reply-To: <422BEDAC.5070102@cox.net> References: <422BEDAC.5070102@cox.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 6 Mar 2005, Luis Montes wrote: > One thing of the top of my head: > > Include the fix to Icewm to not launch icewmbg, or the latest version that > fixes the problem. Done and done. The first has been incorporated for quite some time now. Edit /etc/sysconfig/icewm and set ICEWM_USE_SESSION=no to prevent icewmbg from running. I have icewm 1.2.20 in my 4.2.1 build (the same as in the 4.2.0 updates repository). That is the latest available version of IceWM. -Eric From les at futuresource.com Mon Mar 7 05:28:49 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 23:28:49 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Starting work on 4.2.1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1110173329.30131.37.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2005-03-06 at 22:59, Eric Harrison wrote: > What is new that should be considered for inclusion? Off the top of > my head: How about packaging a yum repository for Centos4 containing the k12ltsp add-ons? It should be pretty close to FC3 program-version wise. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Mar 7 05:35:21 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 21:35:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Starting work on 4.2.1 In-Reply-To: <1110173329.30131.37.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <1110173329.30131.37.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 6 Mar 2005, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Sun, 2005-03-06 at 22:59, Eric Harrison wrote: > >> What is new that should be considered for inclusion? Off the top of >> my head: > > How about packaging a yum repository for Centos4 containing the k12ltsp > add-ons? It should be pretty close to FC3 program-version wise. This will likely occur, but is distinctly separate from a 4.2.1 release. -Eric From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Mon Mar 7 05:56:54 2005 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 13:56:54 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] rpm hanging on v4.2.0 Message-ID: <1110175015.5299.192.camel@localhost.localdomain> Using k12ltsp 4.2.0 with all latest updates: I have a problem with rpm action that google has not shed any light on for me so I put it to you good folks :^). I can perform rpm commands such as install and remove packages, and the correct action is taken, but when the action has supposedly finished the command just sits there on the blank next line without returning me to the prompt and giving me back the terminal. I tried rpm --rebuilddb to see if it would fix it, but the same thing happens with that command - though I doubt it is rebuilding because not a lot of disk activity ensues. The only way is to kill -9 any rpm command because even if I can wrest back control of the terminal session the rpm commands are hanging around in my process list long afterwards. Anyone got any ideas? Regards, Gavin From steve.honeycutt at gmail.com Mon Mar 7 06:03:46 2005 From: steve.honeycutt at gmail.com (Steve Honeycutt) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 00:03:46 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Starting work on 4.2.1 In-Reply-To: References: <1110173329.30131.37.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <61bfa743050306220341d39e16@mail.gmail.com> I've been a subscriber to this list for a short time and have to say... The developers of K12LTSP have shown considerable restraint and tolerance. KUDOS to all of you committed open source developers On Sun, 6 Mar 2005 21:35:21 -0800 (PST), Eric Harrison wrote: > On Sun, 6 Mar 2005, Les Mikesell wrote: > > > On Sun, 2005-03-06 at 22:59, Eric Harrison wrote: > > > >> What is new that should be considered for inclusion? Off the top of > >> my head: > > > > How about packaging a yum repository for Centos4 containing the k12ltsp > > add-ons? It should be pretty close to FC3 program-version wise. > > This will likely occur, but is distinctly separate from a 4.2.1 release. > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Best Regards, Steve www.slicehaven.com From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Mar 7 06:07:25 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 22:07:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] rpm hanging on v4.2.0 In-Reply-To: <1110175015.5299.192.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1110175015.5299.192.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Mon, 7 Mar 2005, Gavin Chester wrote: > Using k12ltsp 4.2.0 with all latest updates: > > I have a problem with rpm action that google has not shed any light on > for me so I put it to you good folks :^). > > I can perform rpm commands such as install and remove packages, and the > correct action is taken, but when the action has supposedly finished the > command just sits there on the blank next line without returning me to > the prompt and giving me back the terminal. I tried rpm --rebuilddb to > see if it would fix it, but the same thing happens with that command - > though I doubt it is rebuilding because not a lot of disk activity > ensues. The only way is to kill -9 any rpm command because even if I > can wrest back control of the terminal session the rpm commands are > hanging around in my process list long afterwards. Anyone got any > ideas? I've never seen this on 4.2.0 (FC3), but if this were RH9 here is what I would say... run this command as root: rm -i /var/lib/rpm/__db.00? to remove /var/lib/rpm/__db.001, /var/lib/rpm/__db.002, /var/lib/rpm/__db.003 -Eric From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Mon Mar 7 06:28:09 2005 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 14:28:09 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] rpm hanging on v4.2.0 In-Reply-To: References: <1110175015.5299.192.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1110176889.5299.202.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2005-03-06 at 22:07 -0800, Eric Harrison wrote: > rm -i /var/lib/rpm/__db.00? Thanks, Eric that did the trick and I've just successfully run the rpm --rebuilddb command without that process hanging or remaining in my process list. Chalk that up to being a bug in FC3 as well as RH9?? BTW: I also had one of those 'gee!' moments when replying :-). I hit reply to your message in Evolution while I had your line about rm (as shown quoted above) highlighted/selected in your original message - and that is ALL Evo quoted in this reply! I must remember that to save deleting unnecessary text in future replies. Maybe old news to many, but first time I've seen it. Regards, Gavin. From les at futuresource.com Mon Mar 7 06:33:06 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 00:33:06 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] rpm hanging on v4.2.0 In-Reply-To: References: <1110175015.5299.192.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1110177186.30747.10.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2005-03-07 at 00:07, Eric Harrison wrote: > I've never seen this on 4.2.0 (FC3), but if this were RH9 here is > what I would say... > > run this command as root: > > rm -i /var/lib/rpm/__db.00? > > to remove /var/lib/rpm/__db.001, /var/lib/rpm/__db.002, /var/lib/rpm/__db.003 > Don't you have to follow this with: rpm --rebuilddb -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Mon Mar 7 06:39:49 2005 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 14:39:49 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] rpm hanging on v4.2.0 In-Reply-To: <1110177186.30747.10.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <1110175015.5299.192.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1110177186.30747.10.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1110177589.5299.206.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2005-03-07 at 00:33 -0600, Les Mikesell wrote: > > rm -i /var/lib/rpm/__db.00? > > > > to > remove /var/lib/rpm/__db.001, /var/lib/rpm/__db.002, /var/lib/rpm/__db.003 > > > > Don't you have to follow this with: > rpm --rebuilddb Thanks for the 'heads up', Les but I had already done that - as written in my reply to Eric that must have just pipped your post at the post (as it were ;-) ). Gavin From big at santaz.dk Mon Mar 7 10:01:06 2005 From: big at santaz.dk (Jesper Berth) Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 11:01:06 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] how to hardcode proxy settings in firefox In-Reply-To: <422A3BC0.90606@comcast.net> References: <000a01c521d0$19b25940$01fea8c0@brcHOST> <422A3BC0.90606@comcast.net> Message-ID: <422C2662.7000008@santaz.dk> Hi I use iptables to redirect all outgoing http trafic to squid then all browsers on my network will go throug the proxy Jesper Berth Brian Beck wrote: > Barry R Cisna wrote: > >> Hi List >> >> Does anyone have a good howto, on setting proxy settings globally >> for Firefox? >> I have seen postings on here a few months back for Mozilla ,and I >> ve tryed all of the "trys" and none really work :(. >> We are, using K12LTSP 4.2.0. >> You know the drill . I m having to manually enter the proxy >> number in the browser .preferences one at a time ,per user, UGH!.. >> >> Any help/criticizm/laughs/snickers,,,would be appreciated. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Barry CIsna >> RR1 Box 213 >> Gladstone, IL 61437 >> >> brcisna at frontiernet.net >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > > This is very much possible using a system-wide locked config file > generated with moz-byteshift.pl - Google for it or come monday when I > have access to my LTSP server again I'll get you my prefs.js and > instruction guides. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jsimovic at tpg.com.au Mon Mar 7 10:05:39 2005 From: jsimovic at tpg.com.au (John Simovic) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 21:05:39 +1100 Subject: [K12OSN] how to hardcode proxy settings in firefox In-Reply-To: <422C2662.7000008@santaz.dk> Message-ID: <200503071005.j27A5f7N003943@mail.tpgi.com.au> Edit the all.js file -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jesper Berth Sent: Monday, 7 March 2005 21:01 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] how to hardcode proxy settings in firefox Hi I use iptables to redirect all outgoing http trafic to squid then all browsers on my network will go throug the proxy Jesper Berth Brian Beck wrote: > Barry R Cisna wrote: > >> Hi List >> >> Does anyone have a good howto, on setting proxy settings globally >> for Firefox? >> I have seen postings on here a few months back for Mozilla ,and I >> ve tryed all of the "trys" and none really work :(. >> We are, using K12LTSP 4.2.0. >> You know the drill . I m having to manually enter the proxy >> number in the browser .preferences one at a time ,per user, UGH!.. >> >> Any help/criticizm/laughs/snickers,,,would be appreciated. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Barry CIsna >> RR1 Box 213 >> Gladstone, IL 61437 >> >> brcisna at frontiernet.net >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > > This is very much possible using a system-wide locked config file > generated with moz-byteshift.pl - Google for it or come monday when I > have access to my LTSP server again I'll get you my prefs.js and > instruction guides. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From hick518 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 7 12:15:44 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 04:15:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] creating rpm packages from source Message-ID: <20050307121544.76095.qmail@web41608.mail.yahoo.com> I've read at least 3 different methods of doing this, and I'm wondering what most people use. There is a program called "checkinstall" that seems like it might work for me. I want to create packages from source for installation on my own machine. I do not need to do any custom settings, and in fact I would probably prefer if the program doesn't ask me too many questions or give me too many options. I don't think I'm ready for that yet! Any opinions? -Rob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Mon Mar 7 12:39:28 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 06:39:28 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] rpm hanging on v4.2.0 In-Reply-To: <1110176889.5299.202.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1110175015.5299.192.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1110176889.5299.202.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <7ab030d5c10ec06c4644875ec1ac39bd@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I've had that problem before too. Killing rpm at the wrong time results in having the files somehow conflict with each other. Thus you not only need to rebuild the DB, but delete the files as well. I don't know enough about the workings of rpm to explain in any detail. This just seemed to be the proper explanation. On Mar 7, 2005, at 12:28 AM, Gavin Chester wrote: > > Thanks, Eric that did the trick and I've just successfully run the rpm > --rebuilddb command without that process hanging or remaining in my > process list. Chalk that up to being a bug in FC3 as well as RH9?? > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkIsS4EACgkQfqZR3ThMfXRbXACfT0N7G8VtcFhVLy0c9yuehBCq BQQAniQDW6B+70oO5aJDLTG0OeigN0f0 =ifcy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Mon Mar 7 12:40:04 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 12:40:04 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows Users changing password or not as the case may be Message-ID: <01a101c52312$c9997cb0$65c8a8c0@brianwork> I have setup a Fedora Core system using the smbldap-installer script and everything seems to be working OK except for when users want to change there password. I have setup a test user called DERF using the following CL smbldap-useradd -m -a derf smbldap-passwd derf and I set his password to jimmy. I can login at the CL & via a Windose client without a problem. If I now try to change the password via the "Change Password" option on a CTRL ALT DEL it takes the old password & new password (trying to set it to `example`) but after a few seconds a message pops back say "You do not have permission to change your password" But now if I try to login via the CLI I have to use the password I'd tried to change it to (`example`) but via windows I have to use the old one (`jimmy`) I have tried running smbldap-passwd at the CLI logged in as the user and it runs OK it's just the Samba bit that seems not to work. Any idea's what to check ?? Thanks Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Mar 7 13:23:33 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 08:23:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows Users changing password or not as the case may be In-Reply-To: <01a101c52312$c9997cb0$65c8a8c0@brianwork> References: <01a101c52312$c9997cb0$65c8a8c0@brianwork> Message-ID: Hmmm...interesting....I'm setting up my own box now to test your issue...give me a little while and I'll report back with my findings. "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, March 07, 2005 at 7:40 AM +0000 wrote: >I have setup a Fedora Core system using the smbldap-installer script and >everything seems to be working OK except for when users want to change >there >password. > >I have setup a test user called DERF using the following CL > >smbldap-useradd -m -a derf >smbldap-passwd derf > >and I set his password to jimmy. > >I can login at the CL & via a Windose client without a problem. > >If I now try to change the password via the "Change Password" option on a >CTRL ALT DEL it takes the old password & new password (trying to set it to >`example`) but after a few seconds a message pops back say "You do not >have >permission to change your password" > >But now if I try to login via the CLI I have to use the password I'd tried >to change it to (`example`) but via windows I have to use the old one >(`jimmy`) > >I have tried running smbldap-passwd at the CLI logged in as the user and >it >runs OK it's just the Samba bit that seems not to work. > >Any idea's what to check ?? > >Thanks >Brian David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From cliebow at downeast.net Mon Mar 7 13:24:19 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 13:24:19 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Windows Users changing password or not as the case may be Message-ID: <200503071222.j27CMCI28031@downeast.net> that drove me buts for a couple weeks..i believe terpstra recommends being sure unix passwd sync is commented as well as passwd chat..chucvk > Hmmm...interesting....I'm setting up my own box now to test your > issue...give me a little while and I'll report back with my findings. > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Monday, March 07, 2005 at 7:40 AM +0000 wrote: > >I have setup a Fedora Core system using the smbldap-installer script and > >everything seems to be working OK except for when users want to change > >there > >password. > > > >I have setup a test user called DERF using the following CL > > > >smbldap-useradd -m -a derf > >smbldap-passwd derf > > > >and I set his password to jimmy. > > > >I can login at the CL & via a Windose client without a problem. > > > >If I now try to change the password via the "Change Password" option on a > >CTRL ALT DEL it takes the old password & new password (trying to set it to > >`example`) but after a few seconds a message pops back say "You do not > >have > >permission to change your password" > > > >But now if I try to login via the CLI I have to use the password I'd tried > >to change it to (`example`) but via windows I have to use the old one > >(`jimmy`) > > > >I have tried running smbldap-passwd at the CLI logged in as the user and > >it > >runs OK it's just the Samba bit that seems not to work. > > > >Any idea's what to check ?? > > > >Thanks > >Brian > > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Mar 7 13:38:25 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 08:38:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows Users changing password or not as the case may be In-Reply-To: <200503071222.j27CMCI28031@downeast.net> References: <200503071222.j27CMCI28031@downeast.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, March 07, 2005 at 8:24 AM +0000 wrote: >that drove me buts for a couple weeks..i believe terpstra recommends being >sure unix passwd sync is commented as well as passwd chat..chucvk in smb.conf? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From julius at turtle.com Mon Mar 7 13:51:53 2005 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 08:51:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] K12ltsp V 4.1.1 & new(er) kernels problem In-Reply-To: <1110149102.29622.7.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <422B2FA3.1090600@netscape.net> <1110134738.29013.34.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <422B7C60.8040906@cmosnetworks.com> <1110149102.29622.7.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1121.216.216.171.235.1110203513.squirrel@216.216.171.235> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > On Sun, 2005-03-06 at 15:55, "Terrell Prud??, Jr." wrote: >> I'm >> assuming a "clean install" of K12LTSP here, which is the only way I >> really trust. > > You can do a 'mostly clean' install if you have /home on a separate > partition. Just don't reformat /home, and patch up your > passwd/shadow/group/gshadow files to include all the old users > above uid 500. There can still be some problems with things > that expect a new dotfile format in home directories. > >> For those who have implemented LDAP authentication >> infrastructures, use K12LTSP only for running apps (no file/printer >> serving, etc., /home is NFS-mounted on a dedicated server), and tell the >> K12LTSP server to authenticate against LDAP, then upgrading an entire >> K12LTSP system is not nearly as risky a proposition. That's, BTW, why >> I'm currently studying LDAP. :-) I need to be able to set that kind of >> thing up. > > Having this will also let you run a test system with the next version > concurrently, accessing the same home directories so you'll know > what to expect. > > -- > Les Mikesell Les, this is a receipe for disaster. The apps usually are backward compatible but they sure are -not- forward compatible. after say, evolution upgrade, the files may change so much, that accessing them with the old version will really hose the user boxes. ditto for mozilla. I know, I've learned the hard way :-) The safe way to do it is to run tests of new software against separate directories. julius -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCLFx42LhlZOaj6vURAiXGAJ9cCJn1M/GuHi9SF5SUzOolbRTLuQCdGvzb hXtEXti+eangnTMZjb+ZsgQ= =4vgM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Mon Mar 7 14:18:55 2005 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 22:18:55 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] creating rpm packages from source In-Reply-To: <20050307121544.76095.qmail@web41608.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050307121544.76095.qmail@web41608.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1110205135.5299.211.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2005-03-07 at 04:15 -0800, Rob Owens wrote: > I've read at least 3 different methods of doing this, > and I'm wondering what most people use. There is a > program called "checkinstall" that seems like it might > work for me. FWIW: I can vouch for checkinstall being pretty friendly to this newbie - mind you I never examined the integrity of the rpms it created. I just used it to remove an application by invoking rpm -e after I had built it from source - and it did that without fuss. Regards, Gavin. From petre at maltzen.net Mon Mar 7 14:21:57 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 08:21:57 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] SquidGuard won't start In-Reply-To: <4892876105030414296626041a@mail.gmail.com> References: <50416.199.216.98.34.1109971435.squirrel@199.216.98.34> <48928761050304142665499a5c@mail.gmail.com> <4892876105030414296626041a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <422C6385.7000702@maltzen.net> Adam, I added a link to your docs on the wiki, under the WebFiltering section. Petre Adam Melancon wrote: > I would include this how-to in the k12ltsp wiki if people could use > it, but I've never added to a wiki before ;) > So if anyone wants to add it, feel free. > > Also check out the section on important scripts: > > Important Scripts: > > /etc/init.d/squidguard - this starts and stops squid and squidguard > examples: > /etc/init.d/squidguard start > /etc/init.d/squidguard restart > /etc/init.d/squidguard stop > > /etc/init.d/httpd - this starts and stops apache, use the same as above > > /usr/sbin/update_squidguard_blacklists - this script updates and > rebuilds and restarts the squid/squidguard service > this file is run nightly from a cron file /etc/cron.d/squidGuard > > > On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 16:26:47 -0600, Adam Melancon wrote: > >>If you are using squidguard, not just squid, use squid-squidguard.conf >>and only start /etc/init.d/squidguard >> >>Check out my "important files" section of my how-to >>http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us/sysadminsite/squidguard/ >> >>Important Files: >> >>/etc/squid/squid-squidGuard.conf - this is the configuration file >>for squid. There are two files, one is squid.conf the other is >>squid-squidGuard.conf, ignore squid.conf and use the squidGuard.conf >>file to configure squid. squid.conf is there if you are only running >>squid with no squidguard. >> >>/etc/squid/squidGuard.conf - This file is to configure squidGuard >> >>/var/log/squidGuard/squidGuard.log - this file will tell you if >>there is a problem with squid, or if it started correctly. >> >>/var/log/squid/access.log - If your traffic is routing correctly you >>will see EVERY web request in this file. You can see this by typing >>"tail -f /var/log/squid/access.log" >> >>/var/squidGuard/blacklists/(porn|warez|gambling|etc)/domains >>/var/squidGuard/blacklists/(porn|warez|gambling|etc)/urls >>These files (domains, urls) are the text files that contain the sites >>that are to be blocked. When the server is restarted each of these >>directores will now have a database file (domains.db, urls.db) built >>from these text files that squidguard will use to filter with. >> >>/etc/rc.d/rc.local - This is kind of like a startup file for Linux. >>I use it to run an iptables script that redirects incoming port 80 >>traffic to port 3128 >> >>/etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf - apache's config file >> >>Enjoy! >> >> >>On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 14:23:55 -0700 (MST), Joe Guenther >> wrote: >> >>>I am trying to set up Squid and SquidGuard. >>> >>>It seems that Squid starts, but Squidguard will not start. When I type >>>service squid start .... [FAILED] >>>but then >>>service squid status shows that it is running with 2 processes. I know >>>that it is working, because I can use it as a proxy from another machine >>>in the network. But it will not filter unwanted sites. Is the [FAILED] >>>there because it knows that squidguard did not start properly >>> >>>I also notice that there are TWO config files - squid.conf and >>>squid-squidGuard.conf. Which one of these is used? >>> >>>In the services, do I tell the server to start BOTH squid and squidGuard >>>on startup? Or will it start both when squidguard is started. I ask this >>>because when I put in /etc/init.d/squidguard start it seems to start squid >>>first and then try to start squidguard. ... will only setting squidguard >>>suffice? If both are selected to start on boot, will it load too many >>>processes of itself? >>> >>>any help is appreciated as always >>>Joe Guenther >>> >>>P.S. I have included a few log files & squidGuard.conf... >>>= = = = = = >>>/var/log/squidGuard/squidGuard.log >>> >>>2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5339] init domainlist >>>/var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains >>>2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5337] init domainlist >>>/var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains >>>2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5340] init domainlist >>>/var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains >>>2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5341] init domainlist >>>/var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains >>>2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5338] init domainlist >>>/var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains >>>2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5340] /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains: >>>Permission denied >>>2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5340] going into emergency mode >>>2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5341] /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains: >>>Permission denied >>>2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5341] going into emergency mode >>>2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5339] /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains: >>>Permission denied >>>2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5339] going into emergency mode >>>2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5338] /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains: >>>Permission denied >>>2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5338] going into emergency mode >>>2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5337] /var/squidGuard/blacklists/ads/domains: >>>Permission denied >>>2005-03-03 17:21:43 [5337] going into emergency mode >>> >>>= = = = = = = = >>>/var/log/squid/cache.log >>> >>>2005/03/03 17:20:43| Preparing for shutdown after 413 requests >>>2005/03/03 17:20:43| Waiting 30 seconds for active connections to finish >>>2005/03/03 17:20:43| FD 12 Closing HTTP connection >>>2005/03/03 17:20:45| Shutting down... >>>2005/03/03 17:20:45| FD 13 Closing ICP connection >>>2005/03/03 17:20:45| Closing unlinkd pipe on FD 10 >>>2005/03/03 17:20:45| storeDirWriteCleanLogs: Starting... >>>2005/03/03 17:20:45| Finished. Wrote 409 entries. >>>2005/03/03 17:20:45| Took 0.0 seconds (101262.7 entries/sec). >>>CPU Usage: 35.189 seconds = 34.331 user + 0.858 sys >>>Maximum Resident Size: 0 KB >>>Page faults with physical i/o: 1 >>>Memory usage for squid via mallinfo(): >>> total space in arena: 29032 KB >>> Ordinary blocks: 28954 KB 20 blks >>> Small blocks: 0 KB 5 blks >>> Holding blocks: 200 KB 1 blks >>> Free Small blocks: 0 KB >>> Free Ordinary blocks: 77 KB >>> Total in use: 29154 KB 100% >>> Total free: 77 KB 0% >>>2005/03/03 17:20:45| Squid Cache (Version 2.5.STABLE8): Exiting normally. >>>2005/03/03 17:21:11| Starting Squid Cache version 2.5.STABLE8 for >>>i386-redhat-linux-gnu... >>>2005/03/03 17:21:11| Process ID 5315 >>>2005/03/03 17:21:11| With 1024 file descriptors available >>>2005/03/03 17:21:11| DNS Socket created at 0.0.0.0, port 32775, FD 5 >>>2005/03/03 17:21:11| Adding nameserver 10.24.100.3 from /etc/resolv.conf >>>2005/03/03 17:21:11| helperOpenServers: Starting 5 'squidGuard' processes >>>2005/03/03 17:21:43| User-Agent logging is disabled. >>>2005/03/03 17:21:43| Referer logging is disabled. >>>2005/03/03 17:21:43| Unlinkd pipe opened on FD 15 >>>2005/03/03 17:21:43| Swap maxSize 102400 KB, estimated 7876 objects >>>2005/03/03 17:21:43| Target number of buckets: 393 >>>2005/03/03 17:21:43| Using 8192 Store buckets >>>2005/03/03 17:21:43| Max Mem size: 8192 KB >>>2005/03/03 17:21:43| Max Swap size: 102400 KB >>>2005/03/03 17:21:43| Rebuilding storage in /var/spool/squid (CLEAN) >>>2005/03/03 17:21:43| Using Least Load store dir selection >>>2005/03/03 17:21:43| Set Current Directory to /var/spool/squid >>>2005/03/03 17:21:43| Loaded Icons. >>>2005/03/03 17:21:43| Accepting HTTP connections at 0.0.0.0, port 3128, FD 17. >>>2005/03/03 17:21:43| Accepting ICP messages at 0.0.0.0, port 3130, FD 18. >>>2005/03/03 17:21:43| WCCP Disabled. >>>2005/03/03 17:21:43| Ready to serve requests. >>>2005/03/03 17:21:44| Done reading /var/spool/squid swaplog (409 entries) >>>2005/03/03 17:21:44| Finished rebuilding storage from disk. >>>2005/03/03 17:21:44| 409 Entries scanned >>>2005/03/03 17:21:44| 0 Invalid entries. >>>2005/03/03 17:21:44| 0 With invalid flags. >>>2005/03/03 17:21:44| 409 Objects loaded. >>>2005/03/03 17:21:44| 0 Objects expired. >>>2005/03/03 17:21:44| 0 Objects cancelled. >>>2005/03/03 17:21:44| 0 Duplicate URLs purged. >>>2005/03/03 17:21:44| 0 Swapfile clashes avoided. >>>2005/03/03 17:21:44| Took 1.9 seconds ( 213.8 objects/sec). >>>2005/03/03 17:21:44| Beginning Validation Procedure >>>2005/03/03 17:21:45| Completed Validation Procedure >>>2005/03/03 17:21:45| Validated 409 Entries >>>2005/03/03 17:21:45| store_swap_size = 4096k >>>2005/03/03 17:21:45| storeLateRelease: released 0 objects >>> >>>= = = = = >>>/etc/squidGuard.conf >>> >>># >>># CONFIG FILE FOR SQUIDGUARD >>># >>># See http://www.squidguard.org/config/ for more examples >>># >>> >>>dbhome /var/squidGuard/blacklists >>>logdir /var/log/squidGuard >>> >>>dest ads { >>> log ads >>> domainlist ads/domains >>> urllist ads/urls >>>} >>> >>>dest audio-video { >>> log audio-video >>> domainlist audio-video/domains >>> urllist audio-video/urls >>>} >>> >>>dest aggressive { >>> log aggressive >>> domainlist aggressive/domains >>> urllist aggressive/urls >>>} >>> >>>dest drugs { >>> log drugs >>> domainlist drugs/domains >>> urllist drugs/urls >>>} >>> >>>dest gambling{ >>> log gambling >>> domainlist gambling/domains >>> urllist gambling/urls >>>} >>> >>>dest hacking { >>> log hacking >>> domainlist hacking/domains >>> urllist hacking/urls >>>} >>> >>>dest mail { >>> log mail >>> domainlist mail/domains >>> urllist mail/urls >>>} >>> >>>dest porn{ >>> log porn >>> domainlist porn/domains >>> urllist porn/urls >>>} >>> >>>dest proxy{ >>> log proxy >>> domainlist proxy/domains >>> urllist proxy/urls >>>} >>> >>>dest violence{ >>> log violence >>> domainlist violence/domains >>> urllist violence/urls >>>} >>> >>>dest warez{ >>> log warez >>> domainlist warez/domains >>> urllist warez/urls >>>} >>> >>>dest local-ok{ >>> domainlist local-ok/domains >>> urllist local-ok/urls >>>} >>> >>>dest local-block{ >>> log local-block >>> domainlist local-block/domains >>> urllist local-block/urls >>>} >>> >>>rewrite google { >>> s@(google.com/search.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i >>> s@(google.com/images.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i >>> s@(google.com/groups.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i >>> s@(google.com/news.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i >>> # log google >>>} >>> >>>acl { >>> default { >>> # for google to be in "safe mode" >>> rewrite google >>> >>> # the default categories are conservative, please add any additional >>> # categories listed above or simply comment out this line and uncomment >>> # out the line below it. >>> pass local-ok !local-block !gambling !porn !warez all >>># pass local-ok !local-block !aggressive !drugs !gambling !hacking >>>!porn !proxy !violence !warez all >>> >>> redirect >>>302:http://squid.chinooksedge.ab.ca/cgi-bin/squidGuard.cgi?clientaddr=%a&clientname=%n&clientident=%i&srcclass=%s&targetgroup=%t&url=%u >>> # redirect >>>302:http://squid.chinooksedge.ab.ca/cgi-bin/squidGuard-simple.cgi?clientaddr=%a&clientname=%n&clientident=%i&srcclass=%s&targetclass=%t&url=%u >>> } >>>} >>> >>>= = = = = = = = = = = = = >>>Lantech - Didsbury >>>Chinook's Edge School Div. >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >>-- >>Adam Melancon >>Work: http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us >>Personal: http://www.melancon.org >> > > > From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Mon Mar 7 14:31:19 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 14:31:19 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows Users changing password or not as the case may be References: <200503071222.j27CMCI28031@downeast.net> Message-ID: <022c01c52322$545230e0$65c8a8c0@brianwork> David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." > on Monday, March 07, 2005 at 8:24 AM +0000 wrote: >> that drove me buts for a couple weeks..i believe terpstra recommends >> being sure unix passwd sync is commented as well as passwd >> chat..chucvk > > in smb.conf? > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see Ah that fixed it. If you comment out the line that says unix password sync = yes users can change there password OK. So I guess it's an update to the installer script. Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From SelzlerB at esuhsd.org Mon Mar 7 15:11:56 2005 From: SelzlerB at esuhsd.org (Selzler, Bruce) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 07:11:56 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: K12OSN Digest, Vol 13, Issue 25 Message-ID: <0F900389C3BCBF4D98226694DBE963F20A7233D9@ECMAIL1.esuhsd.org> Hello Team, I have a couple of questions. First, is there a way to set up defaults on the LTSP server that will be mirrored on all of the workstations? I'm thinking of desktop backgrounds, Firefox favorites, menu bars, that sort of thing. I would like every user to have a common desktop, favorites, etc. And once you have those set, is there a way to "lock" those in place? We use Deep Freeze on Windows, so if a student puts something inappropriate as a desktop background, or puts inappropriate links in the favorites a simple restart puts everything back to its original settings. I'd like to be able to do something similar with LTSP. Any thoughts? - Sez From SelzlerB at esuhsd.org Mon Mar 7 15:14:40 2005 From: SelzlerB at esuhsd.org (Selzler, Bruce) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 07:14:40 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Recall: K12OSN Digest, Vol 13, Issue 25 Message-ID: <0F900389C3BCBF4D98226694DBE963F20A7233DA@ECMAIL1.esuhsd.org> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Any thoughts? - Sez From bcarter at jchs.com Mon Mar 7 15:09:19 2005 From: bcarter at jchs.com (Burt Carter) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 10:09:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] boot rom from harddrive Message-ID: <000f01c52327$a30e5790$21690a0a@TechOffice> I am using bootrom floppy disks to boot my LTSP clients. Can anyone tell me how I can write this image to the harddrive so I do not need a floppy. Thanks, Burt Carter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From petre at maltzen.net Mon Mar 7 15:36:28 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 09:36:28 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12ltsp V 4.1.1 & new(er) kernels problem In-Reply-To: <422B88FB.4000409@cmosnetworks.com> References: <422B2FA3.1090600@netscape.net> <1110134738.29013.34.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <422B7C60.8040906@cmosnetworks.com> <1110149102.29622.7.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <422B88FB.4000409@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <422C74FC.1020407@maltzen.net> Mounting /home across different versions of K12LTSP presents its own set of problems, I discovered this weekend. My primary server is running 3.1.2, and I just built a new server using 4.2.0. I mounted the /home directory from the 3.1.2 box onto the 4.2.0 box, turned off DHCPD on the old box, turned on DHCPD on the new box, and fired up a terminal. It connected to the new server, booted, etc. The only problem was with gnome. Apparently, something has changed as far as the settings in the user's ~/ directory because I got errors and duplicate desktop icons and the panels were messed up, had no menu button so no way to logoff, etc. Not to say the problems are insurmountable, but I sure wouldn't call it a transparent upgrade. Petre Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > Les Mikesell wrote: > >> On Sun, 2005-03-06 at 15:55, "Terrell Prud??, Jr." wrote: >> >> >>> I'm assuming a "clean install" of K12LTSP here, which is the only way >>> I really trust. >>> >> >> >> You can do a 'mostly clean' install if you have /home on a separate >> partition. Just don't reformat /home, and patch up your >> passwd/shadow/group/gshadow files to include all the old users >> above uid 500. There can still be some problems with things >> that expect a new dotfile format in home directories. >> >> >> >>> For those who have implemented LDAP authentication infrastructures, >>> use K12LTSP only for running apps (no file/printer serving, etc., >>> /home is NFS-mounted on a dedicated server), and tell the K12LTSP >>> server to authenticate against LDAP, then upgrading an entire K12LTSP >>> system is not nearly as risky a proposition. That's, BTW, why I'm >>> currently studying LDAP. :-) I need to be able to set that kind of >>> thing up. >>> >> >> >> Having this will also let you run a test system with the next version >> concurrently, accessing the same home directories so you'll know >> what to expect. >> >> >> > > Agreed on both points. > > --TP > _____________________ > Do you GNU!? > Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it > out! > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Mar 7 16:32:42 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 10:32:42 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Jim K's sound configuration question In-Reply-To: <20050304110636.76804.qmail@web41605.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001c52333$4939b4b0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > I have the exact same issue. I have a local install > of Mandrake and I want to use that box as a terminal. > I found that the sound info is located in > /etc/modprobe.conf of the local install. (This is for > the 2.6 kernel--I think with the 2.4 kernel it's in > /etc/modules.conf). > > However, I took this info out of my /etc/modprobe.conf > file and put it into lts.conf, enabled sound, etc, and > on bootup of the thin client I get something to the > effect of "device not found" when it attempts to load > the sound driver. > > So, stupid question: is it possible that the irq for > the sound card would be different when I'm booting off > the ltsp server than when I'm booting that same > machine locally? I have been fairly sick for the last week and haven't done much more on trying to figure this out. I'll check out the files you reference here and see if this will at least help me out. One advantage with working on the iMacs is every installation should have the same drivers, irq's, etc since all of the hardware is proprietary. Good luck in your quest. You have most likely figured out by now that this must still be a black enough magic that no one either understands enough to help or wants to take the risk of being caught up in email hell trying to help solve this sort of thing :-) Below is the response I received from Chuck if that helps you at all. ---------------- billc would know but first have to fiure out what sound card is i dont remember if lspci is in there.you could dump in th binary in yellowdog or ubuntu and see if you can get specs on the card..then see if the module is already part of the ppc ltsp..those sound modules would be in /opt/ltsp/ppc/lib/modules/-->god knows..chuck ---------------- I was hoping to come across some general thin client sound troubleshooting steps but so far have not found any. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Mar 7 16:57:38 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 10:57:38 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Default Settings for Workstations In-Reply-To: <0F900389C3BCBF4D98226694DBE963F20A7233DB@ECMAIL1.esuhsd.org> Message-ID: <000f01c52336$c46867f0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Hello Team, > > I have a couple of questions. First, is there a way to set > up defaults on the LTSP server that will be mirrored on all > of the workstations? I'm thinking of desktop backgrounds, > Firefox favorites, menu bars, that sort of thing. I would > like every user to have a common desktop, favorites, etc. > > And once you have those set, is there a way to "lock" those > in place? We use Deep Freeze on Windows, so if a student puts > something inappropriate as a desktop background, or puts > inappropriate links in the favorites a simple restart puts > everything back to its original settings. I'd like to be > able to do something similar with LTSP. I don't know for sure as I have not done this myself but I believe you can setup a dummy user, create everything the way you need it, copy all of the settings to /etc/skel and all new users will use this same info. Then I would think you could set perms on these files to be read only so that the users cannot change them. Or use a little script to puch these files to all existing users. But I would wait for instructions from someone more capable :-) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us Mon Mar 7 17:24:35 2005 From: schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us (Jimmy Schwankl) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 12:24:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: boot rom from harddrive Message-ID: Burt Carter wrote: > I am using bootrom floppy disks to boot my LTSP clients. ?Can anyone > tell me how I can write this image to the harddrive so I do not need a > floppy. Burt, Google and the K12LTSP wiki provided these. Check out: https://listman.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2004-October/msg00249.html and http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/ Technical%3ABooting%3AClient%3ALiLo Peace, Jimmy Schwankl **This message was sent from the Chatham County Schools Mail Server** *****All e-mail correspondence to and from this address is subject to the North Carolina Public Records Law, which may result in monitoring and disclosure to third parties, including law enforcement.***** From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Mon Mar 7 17:38:29 2005 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 10:38:29 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] SquidGuard won't start In-Reply-To: <1641.24.2.210.202.1109990955.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> References: <50416.199.216.98.34.1109971435.squirrel@199.216.98.34> <1641.24.2.210.202.1109990955.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> Message-ID: <422C9195.3050301@chinooksedge.ab.ca> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andyr at wizzy.com Mon Mar 7 17:42:26 2005 From: andyr at wizzy.com (Andy Rabagliati) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 19:42:26 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] boot rom from harddrive In-Reply-To: <000f01c52327$a30e5790$21690a0a@TechOffice> References: <000f01c52327$a30e5790$21690a0a@TechOffice> Message-ID: <20050307174226.GS23374@wizzy.com> On Mon, 07 Mar 2005, Burt Carter wrote: > I am using bootrom floppy disks to boot my LTSP clients. Can anyone > tell me how I can write this image to the harddrive so I do not need a > floppy. http://www.wizzy.org.za/article/articlestatic/14/1/2/ LTSP from a hard disk. Cheers, Andy! From hick518 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 7 17:44:04 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 09:44:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Jim K's sound configuration question In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050307174404.32522.qmail@web41622.mail.yahoo.com> I got my problem straightened out. I had to disable "PnP OS" in the bios. Once I did this, my pc reported to me the irq of the soundcard at bootup! Very handy! The info came up right after the display which tells you what is installed on the primary and secondary IDE cables, etc. And by the way, the irq that the computer reported to me (and which worked when set up in lts.conf) was different than the irq that this same box was successfully using when running a local installation of Mandrake. Good luck! -Rob --- Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > I have the exact same issue. I have a local > install > > of Mandrake and I want to use that box as a > terminal. > > I found that the sound info is located in > > /etc/modprobe.conf of the local install. (This is > for > > the 2.6 kernel--I think with the 2.4 kernel it's > in > > /etc/modules.conf). > > > > However, I took this info out of my > /etc/modprobe.conf > > file and put it into lts.conf, enabled sound, etc, > and > > on bootup of the thin client I get something to > the > > effect of "device not found" when it attempts to > load > > the sound driver. > > > > So, stupid question: is it possible that the irq > for > > the sound card would be different when I'm booting > off > > the ltsp server than when I'm booting that same > > machine locally? > > I have been fairly sick for the last week and > haven't done much more on > trying to figure this out. I'll check out the files > you reference here > and see if this will at least help me out. One > advantage with working > on the iMacs is every installation should have the > same drivers, irq's, > etc since all of the hardware is proprietary. > > Good luck in your quest. You have most likely > figured out by now that > this must still be a black enough magic that no one > either understands > enough to help or wants to take the risk of being > caught up in email > hell trying to help solve this sort of thing :-) > > Below is the response I received from Chuck if that > helps you at all. > ---------------- > billc would know but first have to fiure out what > sound card is i dont > remember if lspci is in there.you could dump in th > binary in yellowdog > or ubuntu and see if you can get specs on the > card..then see if the > module is already part of the ppc ltsp..those sound > modules would be in > /opt/ltsp/ppc/lib/modules/-->god knows..chuck > ---------------- > > I was hoping to come across some general thin client > sound > troubleshooting steps but so far have not found any. > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ From bcarter at jchs.com Mon Mar 7 18:23:15 2005 From: bcarter at jchs.com (Burt Carter) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 13:23:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] load balancing Message-ID: <002a01c52342$ba74d600$21690a0a@TechOffice> I have 2 LTSP servers and I want to find a way to balance clients connecting to them. So if I have 50 clients connected 25 will be on one server and 25 on the other. I have been assigning 25 ip address to the dhcp server on each, that way the server will service 25 clients and no more. Thanks, Burt Carter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Mar 7 18:43:02 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 13:43:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Northeast Linux Conference website Message-ID: I have posted a web site at http://www.trasksinc.com/NELS to provide information about the 2005 Northeast Linux Conference....check it out and come if you can! It's an awesome opportunity to meet folks and simply learn from each other. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Mon Mar 7 18:57:18 2005 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 12:57:18 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] boot rom from harddrive In-Reply-To: <20050307170026.72CFB7365E@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050307170026.72CFB7365E@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <422CA40E.6070008@honeygroveisd.net> > I am using bootrom floppy disks to boot my LTSP clients. Can anyone > tell me how I can write this image to the harddrive so I do not need a > floppy. > > Thanks, > > Burt Carter Burt, since I'm a DOS guy from way back, the way I do this is partition the hard drive with FreeDOS (www.freedos.org) and write an autoexec.bat file to call the appropriate .com file from www.rom-o-matic.net. The only caveat is that I have to use a file specific to the network card. If anyone here is aware of the DOS version of the "Kitchen Sink" etherboot file, I'd love to know about it. Just my $.02. C-ya, Mark ____ "Don't get excited about a tax cut. It's like a mugger giving you back fare for a taxi." -- Arnold Glasow From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Mon Mar 7 19:15:22 2005 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 11:15:22 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12ltsp V 4.1.1 & new(er) kernels problem In-Reply-To: References: <422B2FA3.1090600@netscape.net> <1110134738.29013.34.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1110168391.6164.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1110222922.19805.13.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> If you have reply-to set in your mail client to your e-mail address, you will get mail directly when folks hit reply. On Mon, 2005-03-07 at 10:36 -0800, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On Sun, 06 Mar 2005 20:06:31 -0800, Dan Young > wrote: > > > Ugh. Debian Woody is, what, almost 3 years old? Waaay too long to wait > > between releases for a desktop OS. The desktop space is where > > improvements are being made most rapidly, which is as it should be in a > > "feature-rich environment." I'd rather not be saddled w/ a 2.4 kernel, > > Mozilla 1.0, Evolution 1.0, etc. > > > > Ubuntu plans to release every six months, but maintain releases for 18 > > months. 4.10 was release in October of last year (see the connection? > > Version numbers are actually date-stamps) and will be maintained until > > April 2006. > > I meant Sarge (when it goes stable) not Woody. But your point is > taken. In 3 years I'm sure Sarge will also be considered old. Yeah, that's what I'm referring to. Right now, sarge is testing (no timely security updates) and if you can predict their release date, you're a better man than I. ;-) -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From robark at gmail.com Mon Mar 7 19:23:25 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 11:23:25 -0800 Subject: Fwd: [K12OSN] K12ltsp V 4.1.1 & new(er) kernels problem In-Reply-To: References: <422B2FA3.1090600@netscape.net> <1110134738.29013.34.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1110168391.6164.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: I meant to post this to the list. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Robert Arkiletian Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 10:36:35 -0800 Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12ltsp V 4.1.1 & new(er) kernels problem To: Dan Young On Sun, 06 Mar 2005 20:06:31 -0800, Dan Young wrote: > Ugh. Debian Woody is, what, almost 3 years old? Waaay too long to wait > between releases for a desktop OS. The desktop space is where > improvements are being made most rapidly, which is as it should be in a > "feature-rich environment." I'd rather not be saddled w/ a 2.4 kernel, > Mozilla 1.0, Evolution 1.0, etc. > > Ubuntu plans to release every six months, but maintain releases for 18 > months. 4.10 was release in October of last year (see the connection? > Version numbers are actually date-stamps) and will be maintained until > April 2006. I meant Sarge (when it goes stable) not Woody. But your point is taken. In 3 years I'm sure Sarge will also be considered old. I am glad that Ubuntu has commited to at least 18 months support. Maybe Ubuntu is the best of both worlds if it can manage the stability and support of Debian AND provide more recent apps on a 6 month cycle. Bottom line is that we as sysadmins have to upgrade or reinstall the server every couple of years to ensure we can get security patches in a timely fashion. Personally the desktop environment does not make much of a difference to me as even if k12ltsp moves to Ubuntu I'm sticking with icewm because of its small footprint. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From cliebow at downeast.net Mon Mar 7 21:15:06 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 21:15:06 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Windows Users changing password or not as the case may be Message-ID: <200503072012.j27KCvT12580@downeast.net> cool: chalk one up for the gipper...giffer ..whatever...chuck > David Trask wrote: > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > on Monday, March 07, 2005 at 8:24 AM +0000 wrote: > >> that drove me buts for a couple weeks..i believe terpstra recommends > >> being sure unix passwd sync is commented as well as passwd > >> chat..chucvk > > > > in smb.conf? > > > > > > David N. Trask > > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > > Vassalboro Community School > > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > > (207)923-3100 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > Ah that fixed it. If you comment out the line that says unix password sync = > yes users can change there password OK. So I guess it's an update to the > installer script. > > Brian > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily > the views of Portsmouth College > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From pnakashi at k12.hi.us Mon Mar 7 22:37:18 2005 From: pnakashi at k12.hi.us (pnakashi at k12.hi.us) Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 12:37:18 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] boot rom from harddrive Message-ID: From: Mark Cockrell > If anyone here is aware of the DOS version of the "Kitchen Sink" > etherboot file, I'd love to know about it. Not sure if this will work for you, but check it out. --Peter http://www.hosef.org/wiki/Testing%20the%20client%20--%20preparing%20a%20boot%20floppy From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Mon Mar 7 22:57:29 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 15:57:29 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Making a dual boot on a Dell Inspiron 6000 Message-ID: <422CDC59.2000004@elp.rr.com> I am trying to turn my new Dell Inspiron 6000 into a dual boot machine. I used Partition Magic 8.0 to move the NTFS windows partition boundary to give me room for Linux. I installed K12LTSP 4.1.0. The installation went okay but on the restart I get the following error message: Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) I thought the problem might be version related and downloaded K12LTSP 4.2. The 4.2 is okay because I used it to update two other computers first. When I attempted to do a clean install on the Inspiron I got a popup window in the automatic partition part of the installation: Could not allocate requested partitions: Unsatisfied partition request New Part Request -- mountpoint: None uniqueID:9 type physical volume (LVM) format: 1 badblocks: None device: None drive ['sda'] primary: None size: 0 grow: 1 maxsize: None start None end: None migrate: None origfstype: None Grub appears to work okay because I can boot to Windows with no problem. What do I need to do to fix this problem? Thanks ahead of time Pat -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Mar 7 23:49:34 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 18:49:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows Users changing password or not as the case may be In-Reply-To: <200503072012.j27KCvT12580@downeast.net> References: <200503072012.j27KCvT12580@downeast.net> Message-ID: Brian...can you verify that if you change the Windows (aka Samba) password does the Unix password change too? The reason I ask is that on my current production server configured based on my how-to (prior to the script) has the line unix password sync = yes and also ldap password sync = yes in the smb.conf file...and as a result....changing the password works. I'm wondering if something has changed in either smbldap-tools or samba to make that not the case in the new version. In any case...if the unix password also changes...we'll be fine...otherwise folks will have two different passwords and that'll get confusing. I can't test until tomorrow....can you test on your system and report back to Matt and I? "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, March 7, 2005 at 4:15 PM +0000 wrote: >cool: chalk one up for the gipper...giffer ..whatever...chuck > >> David Trask wrote: > >> > "Support list for opensource software in schools." >> > on Monday, March 07, 2005 at 8:24 AM +0000 wrote: >> >> that drove me buts for a couple weeks..i believe terpstra recommends >> >> being sure unix passwd sync is commented as well as passwd >> >> chat..chucvk >> > >> > in smb.conf? >> > >> > >> > David N. Trask >> > Technology Teacher/Coordinator >> > Vassalboro Community School >> > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >> > (207)923-3100 >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > K12OSN mailing list >> > K12OSN at redhat.com >> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> > For more info see >> >> Ah that fixed it. If you comment out the line that says unix password >sync = >> yes users can change there password OK. So I guess it's an update to the >> installer script. >> >> Brian >> >> David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From brcisna at frontiernet.net Tue Mar 8 00:16:02 2005 From: brcisna at frontiernet.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 18:16:02 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] boot rom from harddrive Message-ID: <003401c52374$03a8cda0$01fea8c0@brcHOST> Burt,, I use an very easy to use floppy i found on the net called eb_to_hd ( etherboot to HD). Do a google search for it,, It builds youa HD formatting floppy that is a two step process,, 1. clears the MBR and formats your existing HD, 2. searches your client box for an installed NIC,,,and assigns the correct driver for it,, and does a syslinux,,setup... reboot the client pc,,,with your network wire plugged in,,,and your connected to your K12LTSP server . it's that simple,,, takes a total of 5 mins and youve got a working K12LTSP client,,on your netowrk,,:). all thats required that you have a PCI nic( no ISA nics).. you can use old tiny HD's as it only needs a 5mb partition,,to make it work---sweet.. Its idiotproff,,, even i could make it work,, Take care.... Barry CIsna RR1 Box 213 Gladstone, IL 61437 brcisna at frontiernet.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cliebow at downeast.net Tue Mar 8 00:15:44 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 00:15:44 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Windows Users changing password or not as the case may be Message-ID: <200503072313.j27NDYT05236@downeast.net> davie: in the smbldap-tools 0.8.7 howto is a scetion specifically addressing the issue..chuck 6.8 The directive passwd program = /usr/local/sbin/smbldap-passwd -u %u is not called, or i got a error message when changing the password from windows The directive is called if you also set unix password sync = Yes. Notes: if you use OpenLDAP, none of those two options are needed. You just need ldap passwd sync = Yes. the script called here must only update the userPassword attribute. This is the reason of the -u option. Samba passwords will be updated by samba itself. the passwd chat directive must match what is prompted when using the smbldap-passwd command > Brian...can you verify that if you change the Windows (aka Samba) password > does the Unix password change too? The reason I ask is that on my current > production server configured based on my how-to (prior to the script) has > the line unix password sync = yes and achucklso ldap password sync = yes in the > smb.conf file...and as a result....changing the password works. I'm > wondering if something has changed in either smbldap-tools or samba to > makevid: in smbldap-tools there is a howto that adressesspecifically the passwd change prob that not the case in the new version. In any case...if the unix > password also changes...we'll be fine...otherwise folks will have two > different passwords and that'll get confusing. I can't test until > tomorrow....can you test on your system and report back to Matt and I? > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Monday, March 7, 2005 at 4:15 PM +0000 wrote: > >cool: chalk one up for the gipper...giffer ..whatever...chuck > > > >> David Trask wrote: > > > > >> > "Support list for opensource software in schools." > >> > on Monday, March 07, 2005 at 8:24 AM +0000 wrote: > >> >> that drove me buts for a couple weeks..i believe terpstra recommends > >> >> being sure unix passwd sync is commented as well as passwd > >> >> chat..chucvk > >> > > >> > in smb.conf? > >> > > >> > > >> > David N. Trask > >> > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > >> > Vassalboro Community School > >> > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > >> > (207)923-3100 > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > K12OSN mailing list > >> > K12OSN at redhat.com > >> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> > For more info see > >> > >> Ah that fixed it. If you comment out the line that says unix password > >sync = > >> yes users can change there password OK. So I guess it's an update to the > >> installer script. > >> > >> Brian > >> > >> > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From cliebow at downeast.net Tue Mar 8 00:23:44 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 00:23:44 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Windows Users changing password or not as the case may be Message-ID: <200503072321.j27NLXT06019@downeast.net> i did mean david...my computer thought otherwise...chuck --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From tuxnician at execulink.com Tue Mar 8 02:26:49 2005 From: tuxnician at execulink.com (Jason) Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 21:26:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Help Desk Message-ID: <422D0D69.2090601@execulink.com> Hi everyone, I was wondering if anyone is using a web based Help Desk software? I'm looking one that does the usual order tickets, tracking etc as well as any asset manager etc. Of course I'd like to have something that is Open Source :) If anyone has any ideas or suggestions please let me know! Thanks, Jason From pbenson at ffni.com Tue Mar 8 02:40:28 2005 From: pbenson at ffni.com (Phil Benson) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 21:40:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Help Desk In-Reply-To: <422D0D69.2090601@execulink.com> Message-ID: I have been playing with the one at http://www.helpcenterlive.com/ and it appears to work good for what I need. It is open source and free. Phil Benson Embroidery Nation http://www.embroiderynation.com/ -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Jason Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 9:27 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: [K12OSN] Help Desk Hi everyone, I was wondering if anyone is using a web based Help Desk software? I'm looking one that does the usual order tickets, tracking etc as well as any asset manager etc. Of course I'd like to have something that is Open Source :) If anyone has any ideas or suggestions please let me know! Thanks, Jason _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From bear2bar at netscape.net Tue Mar 8 02:36:26 2005 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 21:36:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Help Desk In-Reply-To: <422D0D69.2090601@execulink.com> References: <422D0D69.2090601@execulink.com> Message-ID: <422D0FAA.1050605@netscape.net> tuxnician at execulink.com wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I was wondering if anyone is using a web based Help Desk software? > > I'm looking one that does the usual order tickets, tracking etc as > well as any asset manager etc. Of course I'd like to have something > that is Open Source :) > > If anyone has any ideas or suggestions please let me know! > > Thanks, > > Jason > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see Hi, Check out my help desk site Powered by ExoPHPDesk v1.0 Beta 1. ? 2003-2004, ExoScripts . at www.xtlabs.org & select help desk. 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I have been assigning 25 ip address to the >dhcp server on each, that way the server will service 25 clients and no >more. >Thanks, >Burt Carter Someone on the list a year or two ago mentioned that they had XDM(GDM?) setup so the users could choose which server they logged into. This was apparently very effective as the users quickly learned they could log into the faster server, letting them load balance themselves. Not very elegant, but it sounded effective. Just an idea, I wonder if the logon screen could be easily modified to show updated utilization stats of some sort of all the available servers? Or has someone done this already Sean Harbour -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org Tue Mar 8 06:01:50 2005 From: jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org (Jonathan Carter) Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 08:01:50 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Server load balancing, made easy In-Reply-To: <004d01c5121e$a39d6fd0$01fea8c0@brcHOST> References: <004d01c5121e$a39d6fd0$01fea8c0@brcHOST> Message-ID: <422D3FCE.7090300@shuttleworthfoundation.org> Hi! I want to set up a lab with two servers and load balancing, and I've found the post below. Is this a good way of doing it? Do anyone perhaps know of some links that points to other methods of doing the below? I must admit, I'm not familiar with rsync. How do I rsync between two servers' home directories if one server is 192.168.0.254 and the other one 192.168.0.253? thanks Jonathan Barry R Cisna wrote: > Here is an easy/quick way to acheive load balancing between K12LTSP > servers for your LAN.. > > We have our school under a two subnet setup ( elem & high school) > This setup works in conjunction with a windows network with no > mods,,to your existing switches,wiring,etc. > Our windows network is on a 172.28.x.x network on each subnet as well, > I have the LTSP netowrk setup..to the default setup,,of 192.168.0.x > on both subnets. > I have two K12LTSP servers feeding into each subnet.( total four). > Make sure you have disabled DHCP on your firewall..and windows > servers... > Then,, simply run parallel,,DHCP servers( enable DHCP,,on all of > your K112LTSP servers,and then all you have to do is hardcode,, the IP > settings,,on your teachers/staff windows boxes,,( we are trying to get > (almost) completly away from win doze),, > If you have DHCP enabled on your windows servers some clients will > boot up ok,,and some will "kernel panic",, > When your clients bootup under this scenario ..they will randomly > "access" the least busyest server,and will usually end up about 50/50to > each sevrer feeding them, in a given room of puters,, > You will not need to even do any config in your hosts.conf...etc.. > then, just do a scheduled cron job ,hourly with rsync of your > students home folders( unless your have a centralized server for home > folder redirection),, > this may be a overly simplistic approach,,but works great for our > school scenario. > I tryed to get the XDMCP chooser to work,on clients,,but was too > time consuming.and this approach is "seamless". > Just thought this may help some people trying to "build out" on > their existing K12lTSP setup.. > > hope this is of some help to someone,, > > Take care... > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From mpribik at zoznam.sk Tue Mar 8 07:40:23 2005 From: mpribik at zoznam.sk (M.Pribik) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 08:40:23 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Server load balancing, made easy References: <004d01c5121e$a39d6fd0$01fea8c0@brcHOST> <422D3FCE.7090300@shuttleworthfoundation.org> Message-ID: <002001c523b2$16e19300$0100a8c0@Marian> I don't have any experience with this solution of the load balancing , but if it works /it seems it does/ it is briliant and natural solution. Marian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan Carter" To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 7:01 AM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Server load balancing, made easy > Hi! > > I want to set up a lab with two servers and load balancing, and I've > found the post below. Is this a good way of doing it? Do anyone perhaps > know of some links that points to other methods of doing the below? > > I must admit, I'm not familiar with rsync. How do I rsync between two > servers' home directories if one server is 192.168.0.254 and the other > one 192.168.0.253? > > thanks > Jonathan > > Barry R Cisna wrote: > > Here is an easy/quick way to acheive load balancing between K12LTSP > > servers for your LAN.. > > > > We have our school under a two subnet setup ( elem & high school) > > This setup works in conjunction with a windows network with no > > mods,,to your existing switches,wiring,etc. > > Our windows network is on a 172.28.x.x network on each subnet as well, > > I have the LTSP netowrk setup..to the default setup,,of 192.168.0.x > > on both subnets. > > I have two K12LTSP servers feeding into each subnet.( total four). > > Make sure you have disabled DHCP on your firewall..and windows > > servers... > > Then,, simply run parallel,,DHCP servers( enable DHCP,,on all of > > your K112LTSP servers,and then all you have to do is hardcode,, the IP > > settings,,on your teachers/staff windows boxes,,( we are trying to get > > (almost) completly away from win doze),, > > If you have DHCP enabled on your windows servers some clients will > > boot up ok,,and some will "kernel panic",, > > When your clients bootup under this scenario ..they will randomly > > "access" the least busyest server,and will usually end up about 50/50to > > each sevrer feeding them, in a given room of puters,, > > You will not need to even do any config in your hosts.conf...etc.. > > then, just do a scheduled cron job ,hourly with rsync of your > > students home folders( unless your have a centralized server for home > > folder redirection),, > > this may be a overly simplistic approach,,but works great for our > > school scenario. > > I tryed to get the XDMCP chooser to work,on clients,,but was too > > time consuming.and this approach is "seamless". > > Just thought this may help some people trying to "build out" on > > their existing K12lTSP setup.. > > > > hope this is of some help to someone,, > > > > Take care... > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > __________ Informacia od NOD32 1.1020 (20050307) __________ > > Tato sprava bola preverena antivirusovym systemom NOD32. > http://www.eset.sk > > From jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org Tue Mar 8 08:33:57 2005 From: jonathan at shuttleworthfoundation.org (Jonathan Carter) Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 10:33:57 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Server load balancing, made easy In-Reply-To: <002001c523b2$16e19300$0100a8c0@Marian> References: <004d01c5121e$a39d6fd0$01fea8c0@brcHOST> <422D3FCE.7090300@shuttleworthfoundation.org> <002001c523b2$16e19300$0100a8c0@Marian> Message-ID: <422D6375.8010104@shuttleworthfoundation.org> M.Pribik wrote: > I don't have any experience with this solution of the load balancing , but > if it works /it seems it does/ it is briliant > and natural solution. > Marian Hi I see on the ltsp wiki it's possible to use openmosix to do this too. We're looking at installing an 80 seater lab with 2x very powerful servers (Xeon machines with 2GB ram each). Has anyone done this with openmosix before? Or is there a HOWTO / tutorial? thanks Jonathan From daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se Tue Mar 8 09:29:09 2005 From: daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se (Daniel Hedblom) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 10:29:09 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Server load balancing, made easy In-Reply-To: <422D6375.8010104@shuttleworthfoundation.org> References: <004d01c5121e$a39d6fd0$01fea8c0@brcHOST> <422D3FCE.7090300@shuttleworthfoundation.org> <002001c523b2$16e19300$0100a8c0@Marian> <422D6375.8010104@shuttleworthfoundation.org> Message-ID: <1110274149.422d7065d52a2@rix01.dyndns.org> Hello! I have tried this and it worked fairly well. Many GUI processes seamed to have problems migrating to other servers but it can be because of misconfig on my behalf. When i ran a test script with a big bunch of awk processes it did migrate and load balanced the processess but not in normal terminal server use. /daniel Citerar Jonathan Carter : > M.Pribik wrote: > > I don't have any experience with this solution of the load balancing , > but > > if it works /it seems it does/ it is briliant > > and natural solution. > > Marian > > Hi > > I see on the ltsp wiki it's possible to use openmosix to do this too. > We're looking at installing an 80 seater lab with 2x very powerful > servers (Xeon machines with 2GB ram each). Has anyone done this with > openmosix before? Or is there a HOWTO / tutorial? > > thanks > Jonathan > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > Ne auderis delere orbem rigidum meum! ('< ----------------+------------------------------- /V\ Daniel Hedblom | Nipanskolan <(_) ----------------+ Solleftea /__ /\ __~~__________________Network_Technician__](__=_`)___ From info at proex-india.com Tue Mar 8 10:16:46 2005 From: info at proex-india.com (info) Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 15:46:46 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Server load balancing, made easy Message-ID: This was my approach Two years Back , It may help for current setup's also. If you use Broadcast method it will give the least loaded server , with option 4 specified under , it will show less loaded server first. The Steps to do for Multiple X -Server Connectivity from One Workstation. 1) Using rc.local file create start_ws1 scripts file which is identical to start_ws but with following change echo "/usr/X11R6/bin/XF86_SVGA :1 vt4 -indirect {XDM_SERVER} This will show list of Multiple X-server in the Network. 2) Add following line to inittab file of /opt/ltsp/i386/etc 3:5:respawn:/tmp/start_ws1 3) change section of rc.local for start_ws scripts also. echo "/usr/X11R6/bin/XF86_SVGA -indirect {XDM_SERVER} 4) Update GDM with gdm-2.2.4.2-1.i386 change the following line in gdm.conf under /etc/X11/gdm Displaysperhost=2 under XDMCP section. This will give user option of Multiple X-server as well as with ctr+alt+F4 he will be able to connect to another X server. If you need further assistance please free to mail me. Regards K.Dinesh Regards PRO-EX Solutions Pvt.Ltd. 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Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.4 - Release Date: 3/7/05 From bcarter at jchs.com Tue Mar 8 12:59:10 2005 From: bcarter at jchs.com (Burt Carter) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 07:59:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] If you're planning to attend...let me know *please?* In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001d01c523de$9ec17e80$21690a0a@TechOffice> David, I believe I will be attending, however I am working on getting approval, and funding. When is the deadline to register. Also, I will be flying in from Georgia. What is the best airport to land at, how far is the drive from the airport and what are some hotels I could stay in the evening before the training starts. Thanks, Burt Carter Technology Coordinator Jenkins County School System -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of David Trask Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 12:08 AM To: K12OSN at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] If you're planning to attend...let me know *please?* Hi all, If you are planning (or hoping) to attend this years Gould Academy Summer Linux Conference (now known as Northeast Linux Symposium)....but have not registered due to waiting for a PO or whatever....could you please drop me a quick email off-list to let me know? I'm trying to get a tentative head count so I can decide what to forge ahead with in regards to sessions...meals...etc. I'm at a bit of a disadvantage this year as I am not on campus like Derek was...so I need to know more...sooner. Thanks! I have posted a website with more info....here..... http://www.trasksinc.com/NELS/index.html David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain legally privileged and confidential information intended solely for the use of the addressee. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by telephone (478-982-6000) or by electronic mail, and delete this message and all copies and backups thereof. Thank You. From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Mar 8 13:25:08 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 08:25:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] If you're planning to attend...let me know *please?* In-Reply-To: <001d01c523de$9ec17e80$21690a0a@TechOffice> References: <001d01c523de$9ec17e80$21690a0a@TechOffice> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, March 8, 2005 at 7:59 AM +0000 wrote: >David, >I believe I will be attending, however I am working on getting approval, >and funding. When is the deadline to register. Also, I will be flying >in from Georgia. What is the best airport to land at, how far is the >drive from the airport and what are some hotels I could stay in the >evening before the training starts. Great! No deadline has been set...essentially when we're full....I'll pencil you in for now. As for travel...have a look here at this site http://www.trasksinc.com/NELS/index.html and check the travel section and lodging section. As for airports....Portland in the closest....Manchester NH may be the cheapest as Southwest Airlines flies into there...and may not be that much further especially if you travel north through NH and over....Gould Academy is in Bethel which is just across the ME/NH border in the north. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Mar 8 13:27:45 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 08:27:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows Users changing password or not as the case may be In-Reply-To: <200503072313.j27NDYT05236@downeast.net> References: <200503072313.j27NDYT05236@downeast.net> Message-ID: Cool....I read up on it a bit....now for another test request. Assuming that you can change both passwords from Windows....I'd like you to test the Linux side of things. As an ordinary user (you'll need to log in as one) can you change the passwords using ./smbldap-passwd ? I suspect not, but would be happy if you can. If not...I may have a fix...it'll involve some ACL stuff in smbldap.conf and another "security accounts" LDIF....but it should be easy to add in. Let me know and I'll go further into it. "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, March 7, 2005 at 7:15 PM +0000 wrote: >davie: in the smbldap-tools 0.8.7 howto is a scetion specifically >addressing the issue..chuck > >6.8 The directive passwd program = /usr/local/sbin/smbldap-passwd -u %u is >not called, or i got a error message when changing the password from >windows > > The directive is called if you also set unix password sync = Yes. Notes: >if you use OpenLDAP, none of those two options are needed. You just need >ldap passwd sync = Yes. > >the script called here must only update the userPassword attribute. This >is >the reason of the -u option. Samba passwords will be updated by samba >itself. > >the passwd chat directive must match what is prompted when using the >smbldap-passwd command > > >> Brian...can you verify that if you change the Windows (aka Samba) >password >> does the Unix password change too? The reason I ask is that on my >current >> production server configured based on my how-to (prior to the script) >has >> the line unix password sync = yes and achucklso ldap password sync = yes >in the >> smb.conf file...and as a result....changing the password works. I'm >> wondering if something has changed in either smbldap-tools or samba to >> makevid: in smbldap-tools there is a howto that adressesspecifically the >passwd change prob that not the case in the new version. In any case...if >the unix >> password also changes...we'll be fine...otherwise folks will have two >> different passwords and that'll get confusing. I can't test until >> tomorrow....can you test on your system and report back to Matt and I? >> >> "Support list for opensource software in schools." >on >> Monday, March 7, 2005 at 4:15 PM +0000 wrote: >> >cool: chalk one up for the gipper...giffer ..whatever...chuck >> > >> >> David Trask wrote: >> >> > >> >> > "Support list for opensource software in schools." >> >> > on Monday, March 07, 2005 at 8:24 AM +0000 >wrote: >> >> >> that drove me buts for a couple weeks..i believe terpstra >recommends >> >> >> being sure unix passwd sync is commented as well as passwd >> >> >> chat..chucvk >> >> > >> >> > in smb.conf? >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > David N. Trask >> >> > Technology Teacher/Coordinator >> >> > Vassalboro Community School >> >> > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >> >> > (207)923-3100 >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > K12OSN mailing list >> >> > K12OSN at redhat.com >> >> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> >> > For more info see >> >> >> >> Ah that fixed it. If you comment out the line that says unix password >> >sync = >> >> yes users can change there password OK. So I guess it's an update to >the >> >> installer script. >> >> >> >> Brian >> >> >> >> >> >> >> David N. Trask >> Technology Teacher/Coordinator >> Vassalboro Community School >> dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >> (207)923-3100 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > >--------------------------------------------- >This message was sent from Downeast.Net. >http://ellsworthme.com/ > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From lewis at pcc.com Tue Mar 8 14:02:29 2005 From: lewis at pcc.com (Lewis Holcroft) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 09:02:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Server load balancing, made easy In-Reply-To: <422D3FCE.7090300@shuttleworthfoundation.org> References: <004d01c5121e$a39d6fd0$01fea8c0@brcHOST> <422D3FCE.7090300@shuttleworthfoundation.org> Message-ID: <2e83a54e1a71507671424ce4cd561538@pcc.com> Jonathan, Responding to your rsync portion. I have a very gross setup with 5 LTSP servers spread around a 25 mile area. We needed to provide a way of having users be able to log in at any location and have access to their files, but access to the main server where files would be located/backed up was via ISDN connections. This meant that NFS was not really an option. So I updated /etc/X11/gdm/PostSession/Default (get run at logout) to rsync files back to a central server. And I also updated /etc/X11/gdm/PostLogin/Default (run after a user is authenticated) to rsync files to the LTSP box they are loging on to. To make this all work there are several things that need to be in place. ssh needs to be set up so that both machines trust each other. You need the correct syntax in your PostLogin and PostSession Default files. In my case I also have my LSTP boxes authenticate against the main server using NIS. This way I only have to keep users and passwords up to date on a single server. I'm more than happy to share the files if you need them. Although I'm sure I left out something. I spent several months getting this to work. I made dozens of tweaks along the way. Lewis --------- The instructions said to use Windows 98 or better.... So I installed Linux. On Mar 8, 2005, at 1:01 AM, Jonathan Carter wrote: > Hi! > > I want to set up a lab with two servers and load balancing, and I've > found the post below. Is this a good way of doing it? Do anyone > perhaps know of some links that points to other methods of doing the > below? > > I must admit, I'm not familiar with rsync. How do I rsync between two > servers' home directories if one server is 192.168.0.254 and the other > one 192.168.0.253? > > thanks > Jonathan > > Barry R Cisna wrote: >> Here is an easy/quick way to acheive load balancing between >> K12LTSP servers for your LAN.. >> We have our school under a two subnet setup ( elem & high school) >> This setup works in conjunction with a windows network with no >> mods,,to your existing switches,wiring,etc. >> Our windows network is on a 172.28.x.x network on each subnet as >> well, >> I have the LTSP netowrk setup..to the default setup,,of >> 192.168.0.x on both subnets. >> I have two K12LTSP servers feeding into each subnet.( total four). >> Make sure you have disabled DHCP on your firewall..and windows >> servers... >> Then,, simply run parallel,,DHCP servers( enable DHCP,,on all of >> your K112LTSP servers,and then all you have to do is hardcode,, the >> IP settings,,on your teachers/staff windows boxes,,( we are trying to >> get (almost) completly away from win doze),, >> If you have DHCP enabled on your windows servers some clients >> will boot up ok,,and some will "kernel panic",, >> When your clients bootup under this scenario ..they will randomly >> "access" the least busyest server,and will usually end up about >> 50/50to each sevrer feeding them, in a given room of puters,, >> You will not need to even do any config in your hosts.conf...etc.. >> then, just do a scheduled cron job ,hourly with rsync of your >> students home folders( unless your have a centralized server for home >> folder redirection),, >> this may be a overly simplistic approach,,but works great for our >> school scenario. >> I tryed to get the XDMCP chooser to work,on clients,,but was too >> time consuming.and this approach is "seamless". >> Just thought this may help some people trying to "build out" on >> their existing K12lTSP setup.. >> hope this is of some help to someone,, >> Take care... >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Tue Mar 8 14:55:18 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 06:55:18 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] boot rom from harddrive In-Reply-To: <003401c52374$03a8cda0$01fea8c0@brcHOST> References: <003401c52374$03a8cda0$01fea8c0@brcHOST> Message-ID: > I use an very easy to use floppy i found on the net called eb_to_hd ( > etherboot to HD). I believe that's eb_on_hd. I think the site is http://etherboot.anadex.de/ From bcarter at jchs.com Tue Mar 8 14:50:41 2005 From: bcarter at jchs.com (Burt Carter) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 09:50:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] boot rom from harddrive In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002301c523ee$32d67030$21690a0a@TechOffice> I downloaded the eb_on_hd and it worked great! Thanks, for the tips. -Burt Carter -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Steve Hargadon Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 9:55 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] boot rom from harddrive > I use an very easy to use floppy i found on the net called eb_to_hd ( > etherboot to HD). I believe that's eb_on_hd. I think the site is http://etherboot.anadex.de/ _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain legally privileged and confidential information intended solely for the use of the addressee. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by telephone (478-982-6000) or by electronic mail, and delete this message and all copies and backups thereof. Thank You. From spineau at biddschools.org Tue Mar 8 15:10:29 2005 From: spineau at biddschools.org (Scott Pineau) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 10:10:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] software installation Message-ID: I just installed K12LTSP and am wondering how to install other applications. Linux is totally new to me and I can't figure it out. Lets say I downloaded Netscape and want to install that on the server what do I do. Sorry I am a Windows guy. Thanks, Scott Pineau Computer/Network Technician Biddeford School Department spineau at biddschools.org 207-286-2712 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: btzhsepa.gif Type: image/gif Size: 978 bytes Desc: btzhsepa.gif URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Network Blitz Bkgrd.gif Type: image/gif Size: 5314 bytes Desc: Network Blitz Bkgrd.gif URL: From mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us Tue Mar 8 15:32:14 2005 From: mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us (mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 10:32:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Starting work on 4.2.1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1621.24.2.210.202.1110295934.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> Hi Eric, There is an SElinux/postfix/squirrelmail issue that needs an selinux update. See https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-selinux-list/2005-February/msg00181.html Mark Orenstein East Granby, CT School System > > I'm finally back from three week's worth of vacation, R&D work, & > conferences. > > I started work on K12LTSP 4.2.1. So far I have included all of the > security & bug fixes. > > What is new that should be considered for inclusion? Off the top of > my head: > > * the official Fedora Extras repository > * Inkscape > > Is the LDAP script ready to be included? (perhaps just in > /opt/ltsp/scripts?) > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From luis.montes at cox.net Tue Mar 8 16:29:31 2005 From: luis.montes at cox.net (Luis Montes) Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 09:29:31 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] software installation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <422DD2EB.6080309@cox.net> There are several ways to install software in Linux. Here's a few things to rember: 1. There is no registry, you can just put the files where they go make sure permissions are set so that the right users can use the program. 2. Since you're using k121ltsp, you'll probably want to make this easy using Redhat's Package Manager (rpm). This puts the files where they go with the correct permissions and allows you to upgrade or uninstall the package. 3. There is also yum which solves package dependencies on other packages. This connects to a repository to update your installed rpm packages as well as install new ones. Apt-get is similar to yum, but uses debian's packaging. You can get modified version of apt-get to work with rpm packages as well. 4. Some off the shelf software for linux doesn't come with an rpm, but instead there own scripts to install programs. 5. Sometimes just a source code file (usually a zipped up tar file) is all that's available. Typically there are scripts to build the source and install the binaries. Something like "configure" "make" & "make install". Just make sure to read the README files. Hope that helps, Luis Scott Pineau wrote: > I just installed K12LTSP and am wondering how to install other > applications. Linux is totally new to me and I can't figure it out. > Lets say I downloaded Netscape and want to install that on the server > what do I do. Sorry I am a Windows guy. > > Thanks, > > Scott Pineau > Computer/Network Technician > Biddeford School Department > spineau at biddschools.org > 207-286-2712 > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Mar 8 16:08:09 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 11:08:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Windows Users changing password or not as the case may be In-Reply-To: References: <200503072313.j27NDYT05236@downeast.net> <,> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, March 8, 2005 at 8:27 AM +0000 wrote: >Cool....I read up on it a bit....now for another test request. Assuming >that you can change both passwords from Windows....I'd like you to test >the Linux side of things. As an ordinary user (you'll need to log in as >one) can you change the passwords using ./smbldap-passwd ? I suspect not, >but would be happy if you can. If not...I may have a fix...it'll involve >some ACL stuff in smbldap.conf and another "security accounts" LDIF....but >it should be easy to add in. Let me know and I'll go further into it. Never mind...I tested it myself and in the process developed the "fix" I mentioned above. I sent it to Matt for his opinion and then I'll turn it loose on you guys. As Chuck mentioned...there is a bug in the smbldap-installer script....it's an easy fix and we'll post a new version shortly with the fix. All you need to do is go to /ect/samba and edit the smb.conf file comment out the line that says unix password sync = yes That will allow Windows users to now be able to change passwords from within Windows using CTRL-ALT-DEL "Change Password". David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From les at futuresource.com Tue Mar 8 16:33:04 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 10:33:04 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] software installation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1110299584.31020.38.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-03-08 at 09:10, Scott Pineau wrote: > I just installed K12LTSP and am wondering how to install other > applications. Linux is totally new to me and I can't figure it out. > Lets say I downloaded Netscape and want to install that on the server > what do I do. Sorry I am a Windows guy. First, check to see if the package you want is already part of the k12ltsp distribution. If it is, all you have to do is: yum install packagename and it will be downloaded from the internet repository along with any needed dependencies. If not, there are several 3rd party repositories that you can add to your yum.conf. There is some change of getting a conflict in dependencies when you do this so it is best not to add more than one. Using yum to install not only automatically get any needed dependencies but it means that a subsequent 'yum update' will pull in updated versions as they appear in the repositories. The next choice would be to find an RPM-packaged version matching the fedora base of your k12ltsp version. You can find these at www.rpmfind.net, with a google search, or through links at the home/download page for the project in question. You can install those with 'rpm -Uhv packagename.rpm'. Sometimes you will have to install other packages to make them work, and you have to track and install updated versions yourself. The final alternative is to download the source and compile it yourself. Normally you would only do this if no one has already packaged the version you want or you plan to customize it yourself. The usual procedure is to download a gzipped tar archive, unpack it with tar -zxvf filename then cd into the directory it creates and ./configure make make install (this has to be done as root) but be sure you read the README and INSTALL files so you know what to expect. Programs you build yourself generally land under /usr/local/ while packaged ones will live in /bin or /usr/bin and have their configuration files under /etc/, but this is not always the case. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From pvdw at criticalcontrol.com Tue Mar 8 16:42:31 2005 From: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com (Pete) Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 09:42:31 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT Asset tracking with FOSS Message-ID: <422DD5F7.8090104@criticalcontrol.com> Hi List : This is a way OT question. Does anybody use FOSS for tracking hardware (and software) in a school? I've seen http://sourceforge.net/projects/irm/ But is there anything else available? Thanks Peter From dgough at papcs.com Tue Mar 8 16:37:39 2005 From: dgough at papcs.com (Doug Gough) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 08:37:39 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Help Desk Message-ID: <88CE924D399D784FB06DA325F2CF4032C1B9CD@xms.papcs.com> We are using Helpdesk Issue Manager aka helpmeict. http://helpdesk.centralmanclc.com/ http://sourceforge.net/projects/helpmeict Doug Gough -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jason Sent: March 7, 2005 6:27 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: [K12OSN] Help Desk Hi everyone, I was wondering if anyone is using a web based Help Desk software? I'm looking one that does the usual order tickets, tracking etc as well as any asset manager etc. Of course I'd like to have something that is Open Source :) If anyone has any ideas or suggestions please let me know! Thanks, Jason _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Mar 8 16:49:42 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 08:49:42 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Server load balancing, made easy In-Reply-To: <422D6375.8010104@shuttleworthfoundation.org> References: <004d01c5121e$a39d6fd0$01fea8c0@brcHOST> <422D3FCE.7090300@shuttleworthfoundation.org> <002001c523b2$16e19300$0100a8c0@Marian> <422D6375.8010104@shuttleworthfoundation.org> Message-ID: <422DD7A6.1010308@paasda.org> for an 80 seat lab... you might REALLY want to consider maxing out that RAM to 4GB... --Huck Jonathan Carter wrote: > M.Pribik wrote: > >> I don't have any experience with this solution of the load balancing , >> but >> if it works /it seems it does/ it is briliant >> and natural solution. >> Marian > > > Hi > > I see on the ltsp wiki it's possible to use openmosix to do this too. > We're looking at installing an 80 seater lab with 2x very powerful > servers (Xeon machines with 2GB ram each). Has anyone done this with > openmosix before? Or is there a HOWTO / tutorial? > > thanks > Jonathan > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Mar 8 16:57:16 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 08:57:16 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] software installation In-Reply-To: <1110299584.31020.38.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1110299584.31020.38.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <422DD96C.1080706@paasda.org> Does a comprehensive list of what packages exist in the k12ltsp repository exist on a website somewhere by chance? and does it merely list packagenames or have the program associated with it as well? i.e. bind a MS faithful will likely have absolutely no clue what bind is for... --Huck Les Mikesell wrote: > > First, check to see if the package you want is already part of the > k12ltsp distribution. If it is, all you have to do is: > yum install packagename > and it will be downloaded from the internet repository along with any > needed dependencies. > From andyr at wizzy.com Tue Mar 8 17:03:23 2005 From: andyr at wizzy.com (Andy Rabagliati) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 19:03:23 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Server load balancing, made easy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050308170323.GC23374@wizzy.com> On Tue, 08 Mar 2005, info wrote: > This was my approach Two years Back , It may help for current setup's also. > If you use Broadcast method it will give the least loaded server , with > option 4 specified under , it will show less loaded server first. > > The Steps to do for Multiple X -Server Connectivity from One Workstation. > > 1) Using rc.local file create start_ws1 scripts file which is identical > to start_ws but with following change > echo "/usr/X11R6/bin/XF86_SVGA :1 vt4 -indirect {XDM_SERVER} > This will show list of Multiple X-server in the Network. > > 2) Add following line to inittab file of /opt/ltsp/i386/etc > 3:5:respawn:/tmp/start_ws1 > > 3) change section of rc.local for start_ws scripts also. > echo "/usr/X11R6/bin/XF86_SVGA -indirect {XDM_SERVER} > > 4) Update GDM with gdm-2.2.4.2-1.i386 > change the following line in gdm.conf under /etc/X11/gdm > Displaysperhost=2 under XDMCP section. > > This will give user option of Multiple X-server as well as with > ctr+alt+F4 he will be able to connect to another X server. This is the approach I use, with NFS-mounted home directories. It still gives a single point of failure, the NFS server, though. A good RAID setup on the NFS server should alleviate those problems though. Cheers, Andy! From ramonklown at pop.com.br Tue Mar 8 18:08:05 2005 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 15:08:05 -0300 (BRT) Subject: [K12OSN] Server load balancing, made easy In-Reply-To: <20050308170323.GC23374@wizzy.com> References: <20050308170323.GC23374@wizzy.com> Message-ID: <49874.200.159.149.201.1110305285.squirrel@popmail2.pop.com.br> So does anyone have a working solution for k12 4.2.0 and openmosix or the plain Mosix? > On Tue, 08 Mar 2005, info wrote: > >> This was my approach Two years Back , It may help for current setup's also. >> If you use Broadcast method it will give the least loaded server , with >> option 4 specified under , it will show less loaded server first. >> >> The Steps to do for Multiple X -Server Connectivity from One Workstation. >> >> 1) Using rc.local file create start_ws1 scripts file which is identical >> to start_ws but with following change >> echo "/usr/X11R6/bin/XF86_SVGA :1 vt4 -indirect {XDM_SERVER} >> This will show list of Multiple X-server in the Network. >> >> 2) Add following line to inittab file of /opt/ltsp/i386/etc >> 3:5:respawn:/tmp/start_ws1 >> >> 3) change section of rc.local for start_ws scripts also. >> echo "/usr/X11R6/bin/XF86_SVGA -indirect {XDM_SERVER} >> >> 4) Update GDM with gdm-2.2.4.2-1.i386 >> change the following line in gdm.conf under /etc/X11/gdm >> Displaysperhost=2 under XDMCP section. >> >> This will give user option of Multiple X-server as well as with >> ctr+alt+F4 he will be able to connect to another X server. > > This is the approach I use, with NFS-mounted home directories. > > It still gives a single point of failure, the NFS server, though. > > A good RAID setup on the NFS server should alleviate those problems > though. > > Cheers, Andy! > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From les at futuresource.com Tue Mar 8 18:23:34 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 12:23:34 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] software installation In-Reply-To: <422DD96C.1080706@paasda.org> References: <1110299584.31020.38.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <422DD96C.1080706@paasda.org> Message-ID: <1110306213.31020.94.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-03-08 at 10:57, Huck wrote: > Does a comprehensive list of what packages exist in the k12ltsp > repository exist on a website somewhere by chance? > > and does it merely list packagenames or have the program associated with > it as well? > > i.e. bind a MS faithful will likely have absolutely no clue what bind > is for... yum info available | less is probably more than you want to read. yum list available is the short version You can narrow it down with: yum info package(s) or search for names containing a string yum search name -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Mar 8 18:42:58 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 13:42:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Server load balancing, made easy In-Reply-To: <422DD7A6.1010308@paasda.org> References: <004d01c5121e$a39d6fd0$01fea8c0@brcHOST> < > <422D3FCE.7090300@shuttleworthfoundation.org> < > <002001c523b2$16e19300$0100a8c0@Marian> < > <422D6375.8010104@shuttleworthfoundation.org> <422DD7A6.1010308@paasda.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, March 8, 2005 at 11:49 AM +0000 wrote: >> I see on the ltsp wiki it's possible to use openmosix to do this too. >> We're looking at installing an 80 seater lab with 2x very powerful >> servers (Xeon machines with 2GB ram each). Has anyone done this with >> openmosix before? Or is there a HOWTO / tutorial? Yes, but understand that the apps you probably need the most help in "balancing" are OpenOffice and Mozilla or Firefox.....and those apps will not migrate properly as far as I know....thus defeating the purpose for the most part. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Mar 8 18:45:51 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 13:45:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Server load balancing, made easy In-Reply-To: <2e83a54e1a71507671424ce4cd561538@pcc.com> References: <2e83a54e1a71507671424ce4cd561538@pcc.com> Message-ID: Can you document this so we can all benefit from it? "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, March 8, 2005 at 9:02 AM +0000 wrote: >Jonathan, > >Responding to your rsync portion. > >I have a very gross setup with 5 LTSP servers spread around a 25 mile >area. We needed to provide a way of having users be able to log in at >any location and have access to their files, but access to the main >server where files would be located/backed up was via ISDN connections. >This meant that NFS was not really an option. So I updated >/etc/X11/gdm/PostSession/Default (get run at logout) to rsync files >back to a central server. And I also updated >/etc/X11/gdm/PostLogin/Default (run after a user is authenticated) to >rsync files to the LTSP box they are loging on to. > >To make this all work there are several things that need to be in >place. ssh needs to be set up so that both machines trust each other. >You need the correct syntax in your PostLogin and PostSession Default >files. > >In my case I also have my LSTP boxes authenticate against the main >server using NIS. This way I only have to keep users and passwords up >to date on a single server. > >I'm more than happy to share the files if you need them. Although I'm >sure I left out something. I spent several months getting this to work. >I made dozens of tweaks along the way. > >Lewis David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Mar 8 18:45:05 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 10:45:05 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Server load balancing, made easy In-Reply-To: References: <004d01c5121e$a39d6fd0$01fea8c0@brcHOST> < > <422D3FCE.7090300@shuttleworthfoundation.org> < > <002001c523b2$16e19300$0100a8c0@Marian> < > <422D6375.8010104@shuttleworthfoundation.org> <422DD7A6.1010308@paasda.org> Message-ID: <422DF2B1.5090302@paasda.org> is it better to run as local apps, than to attempt load balancing? Assuming, the clients can handle it hardware-wise... and what specs would the clients need to be able to handle it? --Huck David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Tuesday, March 8, 2005 at 11:49 AM +0000 wrote: > >>>I see on the ltsp wiki it's possible to use openmosix to do this too. >>>We're looking at installing an 80 seater lab with 2x very powerful >>>servers (Xeon machines with 2GB ram each). Has anyone done this with >>>openmosix before? Or is there a HOWTO / tutorial? > > > Yes, but understand that the apps you probably need the most help in > "balancing" are OpenOffice and Mozilla or Firefox.....and those apps will > not migrate properly as far as I know....thus defeating the purpose for > the most part. > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Mar 8 18:48:28 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 13:48:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Server load balancing, made easy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, March 8, 2005 at 5:16 AM +0000 wrote: >This was my approach Two years Back , It may help for current setup's >also. >If you use Broadcast method it will give the least loaded server , with >option 4 specified under , it will show less loaded server first. > >The Steps to do for Multiple X -Server Connectivity from One Workstation. > >1) Using rc.local file create start_ws1 scripts file which is identical >to start_ws but with following change > echo "/usr/X11R6/bin/XF86_SVGA :1 vt4 -indirect {XDM_SERVER} > This will show list of Multiple X-server in the Network. > >2) Add following line to inittab file of /opt/ltsp/i386/etc > 3:5:respawn:/tmp/start_ws1 > >3) change section of rc.local for start_ws scripts also. > echo "/usr/X11R6/bin/XF86_SVGA -indirect {XDM_SERVER} > >4) Update GDM with gdm-2.2.4.2-1.i386 > change the following line in gdm.conf under /etc/X11/gdm > Displaysperhost=2 under XDMCP section. > >This will give user option of Multiple X-server as well as with >ctr+alt+F4 he will be able to connect to another X server. > >If you need further assistance please free to mail me. > >Regards >K.Dinesh Can you formally document this for the wiki for all of us? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From moquist-k12osn at majen.net Mon Mar 7 17:34:00 2005 From: moquist-k12osn at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 12:34:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Windows Users changing password or not as the case may be In-Reply-To: <20050307170027.082FA7367E@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050307170027.082FA7367E@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20050307173400.GD9697@socrates.mojo.yi.org> > From: "Brian Chivers" > Ah that fixed it. If you comment out the line that says unix password sync = > yes users can change there password OK. So I guess it's an update to the > installer script. Alternatively, you can set the parameter to "no". :) http://majen.net/smbldap/ now has version 1.2.1, which has this parameter in the smb.conf template file changed to "no". (Just so no one is confused, it is *not* worth reinstalling everything to change this. 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When k12lstp eventually goes 64bit you can reap the benefits of a 64 bit OS . In the meantime use a bigmem kernel upto 64G of ram. I think a 4 way Opteron with 8G ram should easily handle 90 clients with icewm. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From efeldhusen at chartermi.net Tue Mar 8 20:32:47 2005 From: efeldhusen at chartermi.net (Eric Feldhusen) Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 15:32:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Server load balancing, made easy In-Reply-To: References: <004d01c5121e$a39d6fd0$01fea8c0@brcHOST> <422D3FCE.7090300@shuttleworthfoundation.org> <002001c523b2$16e19300$0100a8c0@Marian> <422D6375.8010104@shuttleworthfoundation.org> Message-ID: <422E0BEF.1060800@chartermi.net> Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 10:33:57 +0200, Jonathan Carter > wrote: > >>I see on the ltsp wiki it's possible to use openmosix to do this too. >>We're looking at installing an 80 seater lab with 2x very powerful >>servers (Xeon machines with 2GB ram each). Has anyone done this with >>openmosix before? Or is there a HOWTO / tutorial? >> > > You could also try getting a quad Opteron. Tyan makes these wonderful > boards. When k12lstp eventually goes 64bit you can reap the benefits > of a 64 bit OS . In the meantime use a bigmem kernel upto 64G of ram. > I think a 4 way Opteron with 8G ram should easily handle 90 clients > with icewm. And to get the full benefit of that box, I'd recommend using gigabit ethernet from your server to the network. Eric -- NOTICE: New email address: eric at remc1.org -------------- Eric Feldhusen Network Administrator for Adams, Chassell, Dollar Bay-Tamarack City, and Lake Linden-Hubbell Public Schools emailto:eric at remc1.org From bear2bar at netscape.net Tue Mar 8 23:52:02 2005 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 18:52:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT laserprinter issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <422E3AA2.1000708@netscape.net> Hi, Has anyone managed to get an HP laserjet 3150 working with linux ? (Just the printing) thks norbert From tlegge at rogers.com Wed Mar 9 00:56:53 2005 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 20:56:53 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT laserprinter issue In-Reply-To: <422E3AA2.1000708@netscape.net> References: <422E3AA2.1000708@netscape.net> Message-ID: <422E49D5.8030901@rogers.com> norbert wrote: > Hi, > > Has anyone managed to get an HP laserjet 3150 working with linux ? (Just > the printing) > According to http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-LaserJet_3150 its a paperweight... Tim From tim at litwiller.net Wed Mar 9 01:06:21 2005 From: tim at litwiller.net (Tim Litwiller) Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 19:06:21 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT laserprinter issue In-Reply-To: <422E49D5.8030901@rogers.com> References: <422E3AA2.1000708@netscape.net> <422E49D5.8030901@rogers.com> Message-ID: <422E4C0D.40307@litwiller.net> Timothy Legge wrote: > norbert wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Has anyone managed to get an HP laserjet 3150 working with linux ? >> (Just the printing) >> > > According to > http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-LaserJet_3150 > its a paperweight... > > Tim > The 3150 doesn't do PCL like almost all other HP printers. The work around would be to share it off a windows workstation and then use the laserjet series II drivers on linux to point at the windows share. From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Wed Mar 9 01:20:23 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 18:20:23 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] problem in starting a new dual boot machine in Linux Message-ID: <422E4F57.80204@elp.rr.com> I am trying to turn my new Dell Inspiron 6000 into a dual boot machine. It came with Windows XP Pro installed. I used Partition Magic 8.0 to move the NTFS windows partition boundary to give me room for Linux. I installed K12LTSP 4.1.0. The installation went okay but on the restart I get the following screen text lines: Uncompressing Linux... OK, booting the kernel. audit(1110305405.379:0): initialized ide0: I/O resource 0x1F0-0x1F7 not free. ide0: ports already in use, skipping probe Red Hat nash version 3.5.22 starting Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) This does not appear to be a Grub problem but rather something else. What do I need to do to fix this? 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Bye Pat Tim Litwiller wrote: > > > Timothy Legge wrote: > >> norbert wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Has anyone managed to get an HP laserjet 3150 working with linux ? >>> (Just the printing) >>> >> >> According to >> http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-LaserJet_3150 >> its a paperweight... >> >> Tim >> > > The 3150 doesn't do PCL like almost all other HP printers. > The work around would be to share it off a windows workstation and > then use the laserjet series II drivers on linux to point at the > windows share. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Mar 9 01:23:12 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 17:23:12 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] problem in starting a new dual boot machine in Linux In-Reply-To: <422E4F57.80204@elp.rr.com> References: <422E4F57.80204@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <422E5000.6080607@paasda.org> not too sure...but doesn't XP utilize 2 partitions? some little funky tiny one...and then the main partition... A friend just called me about this last week, and was mentioning something about finding a small hidden partition... his was a compaq laptop though...not a dell. --Huck John P. Conlon wrote: > I am trying to turn my new Dell Inspiron 6000 into a dual boot machine. It came with Windows > XP Pro installed. I used Partition Magic 8.0 to move the NTFS windows partition boundary to > give me room for Linux. I installed K12LTSP 4.1.0. The installation went okay but on the > restart I get the following screen text lines:* > > Uncompressing Linux... OK, booting the kernel. > audit(1110305405.379:0): initialized > ide0: I/O resource 0x1F0-0x1F7 not free. > ide0: ports already in use, skipping probe > Red Hat nash version 3.5.22 starting > Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)* > > This does not appear to be a Grub problem but rather something else. > What do I need to do to fix this? Please be detailed as I am still > in the dangerous stage of learning (just enough knowledge to wreck a computer). > > Thanks > Pat > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From accessys at smart.net Wed Mar 9 01:32:21 2005 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 20:32:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] problem in starting a new dual boot machine in Linux In-Reply-To: <422E5000.6080607@paasda.org> References: <422E4F57.80204@elp.rr.com> <422E5000.6080607@paasda.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 8 Mar 2005, Huck wrote: > not too sure...but doesn't XP utilize 2 partitions? > some little funky tiny one...and then the main partition... yeah, I was helping a friend put linux on his Dell Demension 8200 today and it was driving me nuts for a bit, but used partition magic and just built an ext3 partition, then went into the linux setup and made the linux partition manually during loading, seems to be working now but pulled my hair out for a couple hours figuring out the work around. Bob > A friend just called me about this last week, and was mentioning > something about finding a small hidden partition... > his was a compaq laptop though...not a dell. > > --Huck > > John P. Conlon wrote: > > I am trying to turn my new Dell Inspiron 6000 into a dual boot machine. It came with Windows > > XP Pro installed. I used Partition Magic 8.0 to move the NTFS windows partition boundary to > > give me room for Linux. I installed K12LTSP 4.1.0. The installation went okay but on the > > restart I get the following screen text lines:* > > > > Uncompressing Linux... OK, booting the kernel. > > audit(1110305405.379:0): initialized > > ide0: I/O resource 0x1F0-0x1F7 not free. > > ide0: ports already in use, skipping probe > > Red Hat nash version 3.5.22 starting > > Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)* > > > > This does not appear to be a Grub problem but rather something else. > > What do I need to do to fix this? Please be detailed as I am still > > in the dangerous stage of learning (just enough knowledge to wreck a computer). > > > > Thanks > > Pat > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Wed Mar 9 01:36:07 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 18:36:07 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] problem in starting a new dual boot machine in Linux In-Reply-To: <422E5000.6080607@paasda.org> References: <422E4F57.80204@elp.rr.com> <422E5000.6080607@paasda.org> Message-ID: <422E5307.5060009@elp.rr.com> With the Linux partition there are actually several partitions on my hard drive. The XP main, an XP recovery, something else XP uses, and those created by Linux. I think that Grub is going to the correct partition, based on the text below, but is there a way to check and make sure? --Pat Huck wrote: > not too sure...but doesn't XP utilize 2 partitions? > some little funky tiny one...and then the main partition... > A friend just called me about this last week, and was mentioning > something about finding a small hidden partition... > his was a compaq laptop though...not a dell. > > --Huck > > John P. Conlon wrote: > >> I am trying to turn my new Dell Inspiron 6000 into a dual boot >> machine. It came with Windows >> XP Pro installed. I used Partition Magic 8.0 to move the NTFS >> windows partition boundary to >> give me room for Linux. I installed K12LTSP 4.1.0. The installation >> went okay but on the >> restart I get the following screen text lines:* >> >> Uncompressing Linux... OK, booting the kernel. >> audit(1110305405.379:0): initialized >> ide0: I/O resource 0x1F0-0x1F7 not free. >> ide0: ports already in use, skipping probe >> Red Hat nash version 3.5.22 starting >> Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)* >> >> This does not appear to be a Grub problem but rather something else. >> What do I need to do to fix this? Please be detailed as I am still >> in the dangerous stage of learning (just enough knowledge to wreck a >> computer). >> >> Thanks >> Pat >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From steve.honeycutt at gmail.com Wed Mar 9 01:54:10 2005 From: steve.honeycutt at gmail.com (Steve Honeycutt) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 19:54:10 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] problem in starting a new dual boot machine in Linux In-Reply-To: <422E5000.6080607@paasda.org> References: <422E4F57.80204@elp.rr.com> <422E5000.6080607@paasda.org> Message-ID: <61bfa74305030817547e47ae0@mail.gmail.com> I don't think this anomaly is specific to MS alone... I was testing FreeBSD a while back and learnt (according to the BSD docs) that most if not all OS will not use the entire disk when partitioning a disk. Something like 6 to 8 mb were left untouched. To be clear about it, these aren't a seperate partition, but are free (unused) space. On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 17:23:12 -0800, Huck wrote: > not too sure...but doesn't XP utilize 2 partitions? > some little funky tiny one...and then the main partition... -- Best Regards, Steve www.slicehaven.com From microman at cmosnetworks.com Wed Mar 9 02:11:53 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 21:11:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] problem in starting a new dual boot machine in Linux In-Reply-To: <422E5000.6080607@paasda.org> References: <422E4F57.80204@elp.rr.com> <422E5000.6080607@paasda.org> Message-ID: <422E5B69.90109@cmosnetworks.com> Nope, all Microsoft-style operating systems need only one partition, and with the exception of 32-bit OS/2 with Boot Manager, it must be a primary partition. But you only need one. That other partition is a vendor-specific thing that Compaq puts on their boxes since they have, for two decades, used their own BIOS (they were the first of the IBM-compatibles back in 1983, long before the Phoenix BIOS was born). In the case of Compaq, it contains some of their own diagnostic tools, and no, that partition is not actually necessary. You've got to be careful and keep very good track of things when you start fiddling with partitions like this. Remember that, on x86 boxen, the OS kernel needs to be within the first 1,024 cylinders on the hard disk, otherwise you're not likely to be able to boot the computer. This is true of all kernels, not just the Linux kernel; it's true of all versions of Windows (MS says that's been overcome on XP, but I don't believe it), all of the BSD's, OS/2--you name it--they're all the same this way. This is due to legacy issues in the x86 BIOS architecture, which BIOS and mobo manufacturers have to follow, otherwise you're compatible with NOTHING. That's why I always make a small /boot partition somewhere within the first 1,024 cylinders; since I run exclusively Free OS's here at home, that means it's generally at the beginning of the disk. Note that it doesn't have to be a primary partition, but a lot of us do it that way just out of habit. Other machine types, such as the Sun UltraSPARC, don't place such limits on where the kernel has to live on the hard disk. It can be pretty much anywhere. --TP Huck wrote: > not too sure...but doesn't XP utilize 2 partitions? > some little funky tiny one...and then the main partition... > A friend just called me about this last week, and was mentioning > something about finding a small hidden partition... > his was a compaq laptop though...not a dell. > > --Huck > > John P. Conlon wrote: > >> I am trying to turn my new Dell Inspiron 6000 into a dual boot >> machine. It came with Windows >> XP Pro installed. I used Partition Magic 8.0 to move the NTFS >> windows partition boundary to >> give me room for Linux. I installed K12LTSP 4.1.0. The installation >> went okay but on the >> restart I get the following screen text lines:* >> >> Uncompressing Linux... OK, booting the kernel. >> audit(1110305405.379:0): initialized >> ide0: I/O resource 0x1F0-0x1F7 not free. >> ide0: ports already in use, skipping probe >> Red Hat nash version 3.5.22 starting >> Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)* >> >> This does not appear to be a Grub problem but rather something else. >> What do I need to do to fix this? Please be detailed as I am still >> in the dangerous stage of learning (just enough knowledge to wreck a >> computer). >> >> Thanks >> Pat >> From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Wed Mar 9 03:10:13 2005 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 16:10:13 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap log in error Message-ID: <200503090311.j293BZSE000476@dbmail-mx2.orcon.net.nz> When I add a user using smb LDAP tools I try to log in as my new user (Krsnendu) and I get this error message. Then can't proceed. What can I do? I have some users already in Linux users system. Maybe that is confusing things. Could not resolve address "xml:readwrite:/home/krsnendu/.gconf" in the configuration file "/etc/gconf/2/path:" Failed could not make directory permission denied. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From awoehler at woehler.us Wed Mar 9 04:06:35 2005 From: awoehler at woehler.us (Aaron Woehler) Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 21:06:35 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Squid Message-ID: <422E764B.6060803@woehler.us> From ybjones at one.net Wed Mar 9 04:43:53 2005 From: ybjones at one.net (Yancey B. Jones) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 23:43:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] problem in starting a new dual boot machine in Linux In-Reply-To: <422E5B69.90109@cmosnetworks.com> Message-ID: <20050309043415.IOWI13848.gx4.fuse.net@aragorn> > In the case of Compaq, it contains some of their own > diagnostic tools, and no, that partition is not actually necessary. Make sure you make your recovery CD's before deleting that partition. Compaqs and HP put the system recovery information there and most of the new ones do not ship with recovery CDs. You have to make them from inside Windows XP. Of couse, if you are sure that you will never use Windows again then it does not matter (unless you decide to sell the system off in the future). -Yancey From debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au Wed Mar 9 10:59:51 2005 From: debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au (Debbie Schiel) Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 20:59:51 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] OT Asset tracking with FOSS In-Reply-To: <422DD5F7.8090104@criticalcontrol.com> References: <422DD5F7.8090104@criticalcontrol.com> Message-ID: <422ED727.3020803@redeemer.qld.edu.au> For tracking our assets I use a combination of PhpMyEdit and phpMyAdmin. It's not an 'out of the box' solution, you need do do a bit of work to turn the two into what you want. http://platon.sk/projects/main_page.php?project_id=5 Pete wrote: > Hi List : > > This is a way OT question. > > Does anybody use FOSS for tracking hardware (and software) in a school? > > I've seen http://sourceforge.net/projects/irm/ > > But is there anything else available? > > Thanks > > Peter > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From hick518 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 9 11:20:58 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 03:20:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] problem in starting a new dual boot machine in Linux In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050309112058.50106.qmail@web41621.mail.yahoo.com> I don't think this is true anymore. I seem to remember reading something about bioses (if that's a word) after a certain date did not have the 1024 cylinder limit. I can't say for sure, but I can tell you for sure that I've installed Linux on a machine that came with Windows XP--I resized the Windows partition to something like 27 GB and installed Linux after that, /boot and all. I used lilo, not grub. -Rob --- "Terrell Prud?, Jr." wrote: > Remember > that, on x86 boxen, > the OS kernel needs to be within the first 1,024 > cylinders on the hard > disk, otherwise you're not likely to be able to boot > the computer. This > is true of all kernels, not just the Linux kernel; > it's true of all > versions of Windows (MS says that's been overcome on > XP, but I don't > believe it), all of the BSD's, OS/2--you name > it--they're all the same > this way. This is due to legacy issues in the x86 > BIOS architecture, > which BIOS and mobo manufacturers have to follow, > otherwise you're > compatible with NOTHING. __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ From hick518 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 9 11:23:03 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 03:23:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] terminal bootup messages Message-ID: <20050309112303.44849.qmail@web41607.mail.yahoo.com> Can I find these messages in a file somewhere? I'm getting some errors, but it all goes by too quick to read. (ltsp is soooo fast). Thanks -Rob __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Wed Mar 9 12:33:09 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 06:33:09 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] problem in starting a new dual boot machine in Linux In-Reply-To: <20050309112058.50106.qmail@web41621.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050309112058.50106.qmail@web41621.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <08d37152a7d2468cd3a3f0be351ebc58@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 This is true, if you use lba32 instead of liner/CHS addressing. See man lilo.conf. I'm not sure how much of it is a bios issue. On Mar 9, 2005, at 5:20 AM, Rob Owens wrote: > I don't think this is true anymore. I seem to > remember reading something about bioses (if that's a > word) after a certain date did not have the 1024 > cylinder limit. I can't say for sure, but I can tell > you for sure that I've installed Linux on a machine > that came with Windows XP--I resized the Windows > partition to something like 27 GB and installed Linux > after that, /boot and all. I used lilo, not grub. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkIu7QUACgkQfqZR3ThMfXTzkQCfVjpzBPDwBerlNk+5ZpoYPg5C jt8AnA8DQDU6V7lSxlFJbo3xEV6jD8Ap =XCEa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Wed Mar 9 12:38:56 2005 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 12:38:56 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] terminal bootup messages In-Reply-To: <20050309112303.44849.qmail@web41607.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050309112303.44849.qmail@web41607.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200503091238.56808.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> On Wednesday 09 Mar 2005 11:23 am, Rob Owens wrote: > Can I find these messages in a file somewhere? I'm > getting some errors, but it all goes by too quick to > read. (ltsp is soooo fast). On the server, cp /bin/dmesg /opt/ltsp/i386/bin. Boot the client, access a shelll and run the dmesg command. -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From webmaster at vol.org Wed Mar 9 14:18:19 2005 From: webmaster at vol.org (george kocke) Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 08:18:19 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Default Settings for Workstations In-Reply-To: <0F900389C3BCBF4D98226694DBE963F20A7233DB@ECMAIL1.esuhsd.org> References: <0F900389C3BCBF4D98226694DBE963F20A7233DB@ECMAIL1.esuhsd.org> Message-ID: <1110377898.7334.6.camel@tardis.london.volnet> On Mon, 2005-03-07 at 09:15, Selzler, Bruce wrote: > I have a couple of questions. First, is there a way to set up defaults > on the LTSP server that will be mirrored on all of the workstations? > I'm thinking of desktop backgrounds, Firefox favorites, menu bars, that > sort of thing. I would like every user to have a common desktop, > favorites, etc. You need to change your way of thinking from workstation defaults to user defaults. That is, all users have the same settings no matter which workstations they use. -- george kocke ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ From gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk Wed Mar 9 14:53:00 2005 From: gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk (Gavin Spurgeon) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 14:53:00 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Server load balancing, made easy References: <004d01c5121e$a39d6fd0$01fea8c0@brcHOST> <422D3FCE.7090300@shuttleworthfoundation.org> <002001c523b2$16e19300$0100a8c0@Marian> <422D6375.8010104@shuttleworthfoundation.org> <422E0BEF.1060800@chartermi.net> Message-ID: <025301c524b7$b0498330$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Hi All... I have yet to find any really good 'Load Balancing' systems, But I did use the Application Server Model to solve some of my problems... I did document this, as with most of my K12LTSP projects... I have made some of the HOWTOz into very easy to follow guides @ http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net/ But the App Server HOWTO is available @ http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net/k12ltsp/appserverI.htm Best Regards Gavin Spurgeon Assistant Systems Administrator gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tel: 01322 620400 DDI: 01322 620501 IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 ############################################# Unofficial K12LTSP HOWTOz & Extraz Site (http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net) ############################################# From bcarter at jchs.com Wed Mar 9 16:02:04 2005 From: bcarter at jchs.com (Burt Carter) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 11:02:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] mount to /home Message-ID: <002201c524c1$567d7dc0$21690a0a@TechOffice> Hi everyone. I have finally gotten users home directories mounted from a novell server, thanks to Gavin Spurgeon. However, I need to make a modification. I want the user's home directory to mount to /home/username and not /home/username/nwhome. 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Mike _________________________________ Mike Lichtenwalner Technology Specialist Manheim Township School District Lancaster, PA From spineau at biddschools.org Wed Mar 9 17:30:01 2005 From: spineau at biddschools.org (Scott Pineau) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 12:30:01 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] student account permissions Message-ID: I am wondering when I add a student to a k12ltsp server should I put them in the /users account? Scott Pineau Computer/Network Technician Biddeford School Department spineau at biddschools.org 207-286-2712 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: btzhsepa.gif Type: image/gif Size: 978 bytes Desc: btzhsepa.gif URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I would like every user to have a common desktop, > favorites, etc. Not sure how to lock browser favorits but desktop background, menubars etc can be locked with icewm by editing simple text files. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From moquist at majen.net Wed Mar 9 18:07:49 2005 From: moquist at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 13:07:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap log in error (Krsnendu dasa) In-Reply-To: <20050309123808.54821733A9@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050309123808.54821733A9@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20050309180749.GC9387@majen.net> > From: "Krsnendu dasa" > When I add a user using smb LDAP tools I try to log in as my new user > (Krsnendu) and I get this error message. Then can't proceed. > > What can I do? I have some users already in Linux users system. Maybe that > is confusing things. Hi Krsnendu, Your existing users shouldn't be a problem unless they exist simultaneiously as regular Linux users *and* Samba/LDAP users. Can you tell us which error message you get? It's difficult to diagnose your problem otherwise. :) Also, how/where are you trying to log in? The GUI? A terminal or ssh? Windows? A thin-client? --matt -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Wed Mar 9 18:44:54 2005 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 10:44:54 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Starting work on 4.2.1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1110393899.32571.33.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> On Sun, 2005-03-06 at 20:59 -0800, Eric Harrison wrote: > I started work on K12LTSP 4.2.1. So far I have included all of the > security & bug fixes. > > What is new that should be considered for inclusion? Doesn't seem like the verynice project is active upstream, but I'd understand if you'd rather see changes made there. I've gotten more aggressive w/ verynice to kill runaway processes when users shut off terminals w/o logging out, specifically in /etc/verynice.conf: runawayexe "gam_server" runawayexe "gnome-panel" runawayexe "gnome-settings-daemon" badkarmarate .1000 -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org Wed Mar 9 18:53:40 2005 From: aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org (aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org) Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 13:53:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Network FAX system vs. 12 FAX numbers Message-ID: <2274857665.1110376420@[10.2.57.136]> Hi, Is anyone tackling network faxing ( Send and recieve ) with open source stuff ? I have 12 different fax lines between my schools. $$$$ Would love to have one FAX number distributing faxes via email to users. Is that called MS Exchange Server :) Thanks, Tom Ventresco From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Mar 9 19:03:23 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 11:03:23 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Starting work on 4.2.1 In-Reply-To: <1110393899.32571.33.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> References: <1110393899.32571.33.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <422F487B.7070107@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Dan Young wrote: > On Sun, 2005-03-06 at 20:59 -0800, Eric Harrison wrote: > >>I started work on K12LTSP 4.2.1. So far I have included all of the >>security & bug fixes. >> >>What is new that should be considered for inclusion? > > > Doesn't seem like the verynice project is active upstream, but I'd > understand if you'd rather see changes made there. > > I've gotten more aggressive w/ verynice to kill runaway processes when > users shut off terminals w/o logging out, specifically > in /etc/verynice.conf: > > runawayexe "gam_server" > runawayexe "gnome-panel" > runawayexe "gnome-settings-daemon" > badkarmarate .1000 > Verynice doesn't see any new development work, but it is so small and simple that it is trivial to hack on. I uploaded a new test package with these changes: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/ -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Barr Sys / Net Admin Oklahoma Goodwill Industries 410 SW Third ST Oklahoma City, OK 73109 From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Wed Mar 9 19:14:23 2005 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:14:23 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap log in error (Krsnendu dasa) In-Reply-To: <20050309180749.GC9387@majen.net> Message-ID: <200503091914.j29JEkwI022374@dbmail-mx3.orcon.net.nz> First one window comes up saying "The files that contain your preference settings are currently in use. You might be logged into a session from another computer and the other login session is using preference settings files. You can continue to use the current session but this might cause temporary problems with the preference settings in the other session. Do you want to continue. Logout/Continue" Then another window comes up with "Contact your system administrator to resolve the following problem. Could not resolve address "xml:readwrite:/home/krsnendu/.gconf" in the configuration file "/etc/gconf/2/path:" Failed could not make directory '/home/Krsnendu/.gconf': permission denied." This message above is the error message I get when trying to login to K12LTSP using GUI from thin client and from cygwin. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Matt Oquist Sent: Thursday, 10 March 2005 7:08 a.m. To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap log in error (Krsnendu dasa) > From: "Krsnendu dasa" > When I add a user using smb LDAP tools I try to log in as my new user > (Krsnendu) and I get this error message. Then can't proceed. > > What can I do? I have some users already in Linux users system. Maybe that > is confusing things. Hi Krsnendu, Your existing users shouldn't be a problem unless they exist simultaneiously as regular Linux users *and* Samba/LDAP users. Can you tell us which error message you get? It's difficult to diagnose your problem otherwise. :) Also, how/where are you trying to log in? The GUI? A terminal or ssh? Windows? A thin-client? --matt From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Wed Mar 9 19:36:37 2005 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:36:37 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] more smbldap problems. How can I reset everything and start over again. Message-ID: <1110396997.4405.4.camel@k12ltsp.harekrishna.school.nz> I seem to have stuffed things up somehow with my smbldap installation attempts. Is there someway to start afresh? If not this is another problem I have to fix:- I am trying to get smbldap going when I try to put the password for root I get the following messages:- [root at k12ltsp sbin]# smbpasswd -a root New SMB password: Retype new SMB password: ldapsam_getsampwnam: Duplicate entries for this user [root] Failing. count=2 ldapsam_add_sam_account: User 'root' already in the base, with samba attributes Failed to add entry for user root. Failed to modify password entry for user root [root at k12ltsp sbin]# smbpasswd root New SMB password: Retype new SMB password: ldapsam_getsampwnam: Duplicate entries for this user [root] Failing. count=2 Failed to find entry for user root. Failed to modify password entry for user root How can I fix this? This is somemore output that might be helpful: [root at k12ltsp sbin]# getent passwd |grep root root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash operator:x:11:0:operator:/root:/sbin/nologin root:x:0:512:Netbios Domain Administrator:/home/root:/bin/false root:x:0:512:Netbios Domain Administrator:/home/root:/bin/false From aslansreturn at yahoo.com Wed Mar 9 19:44:55 2005 From: aslansreturn at yahoo.com (richard ingalls) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 11:44:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Installing 4.2.0 via NFS (please HELP!) Message-ID: <20050309194456.56053.qmail@web52905.mail.yahoo.com> For reasons beyond my understanding, I CANNOT install from my CD ROM. It boots from CD, normal boot screen, hit at the prompt to begin normal install, then no GUI and it asks me where I want to install from: CD, hard drive, NFS, HTTP, etc. If I choose CDROM it tells me it cannot find a CDROM drive to mount. SO, I have copied the .ISOs to the hard drive of this PC as well as to another LTSP server in my building. I have exported the directory (NFS) where these .ISOs are located on the remote server, so I'm ready to try installing via NFS. Can anyone tell me how to proceed from here? Any help or suggestions would be appreciated. Ultimately, my goal is just to get 4.2.0 installed on this machine - I don't care what method I have to use to accomplish this goal. Any help? Thanks. __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Wed Mar 9 19:57:45 2005 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:57:45 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] Can't delete user Message-ID: <1110398265.4405.7.camel@k12ltsp.harekrishna.school.nz> id says the user exists, but I can't delete this user. I get the same error message for any user name. [root at k12ltsp sbin]# id krsnendu uid=1008(krsnendu) gid=513(Domain Users) groups=513(Domain Users) [root at k12ltsp sbin]# ./smbldap-userdel krsnendu No such object at /opt/IDEALX/sbin///smbldap_tools.pm line 231, line 283.[root at k12ltsp sbin]# id krsnendu uid=1008(krsnendu) gid=513(Domain Users) groups=513(Domain Users) From oh207 at netzero.net Wed Mar 9 20:25:32 2005 From: oh207 at netzero.net (Onkar Harry) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 20:25:32 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Installing 4.2.0 via NFS (please HELP!) Message-ID: <20050309.122601.4501.108668@webmail32.nyc.untd.com> -- richard ingalls wrote: For reasons beyond my understanding, I CANNOT install from my CD ROM. It boots from CD, normal boot screen, hit at the prompt to begin normal install, then no GUI and it asks me where I want to install from: CD, hard drive, NFS, HTTP, etc. If I choose CDROM it tells me it cannot find a CDROM drive to mount. SO, I have copied the .ISOs to the hard drive of this PC as well as to another LTSP server in my building. I have exported the directory (NFS) where these .ISOs are located on the remote server, so I'm ready to try installing via NFS. Can anyone tell me how to proceed from here? Any help or suggestions would be appreciated. Ultimately, my goal is just to get 4.2.0 installed on this machine - I don't care what method I have to use to accomplish this goal. Any help? Thanks. Most of my installs are performed via NFS, its super fast. Set the ISOs up in a directory and share them via NFS. At the prompt type linux askmethod The rest is just entering the settings for your NFS server and share name. I usually burn only the first CD and boot off it and issue that command. But since your CD ROM is not working you might want to create a boot floppy, or optionally do a netboot. Some usefull Links: Howto install Fedora Core over NFS http://fedoranews.org/dowen/nfsinstall/ Installing Linux over NFS The How's and Why's http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/nfs_install.htm -onkar From SelzlerB at esuhsd.org Wed Mar 9 20:35:38 2005 From: SelzlerB at esuhsd.org (Selzler, Bruce) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 12:35:38 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Using iMacs as Terminals Message-ID: <0F900389C3BCBF4D98226694DBE963F2056D29F6@ECMAIL1.esuhsd.org> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Wed, 9 Mar 2005, Selzler, Bruce wrote: > > Hello Team, > > There was a lot of talk about using iMacs as LTSP terminals a while > back. There is a great deal of interest in doing this in our StRUT group > here in San Jose. > > Is there an online resource that describes how to do this? I had the > impression that there was a good deal of customization required for this > to happen. Are there plans for including the script or settings in a > future release so that iMacs and PowerPC's can be used as terminials in a > plug and play fashion? Let me know what you think. > > - Sez > > > From les at futuresource.com Wed Mar 9 21:21:43 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 15:21:43 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Network FAX system vs. 12 FAX numbers In-Reply-To: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E282119F36@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> References: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E282119F36@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> Message-ID: <1110403303.19247.50.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-03-09 at 13:09, David H. Barr wrote: > Around Wednesday, March 09, 2005 12:54 PM, > aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org (mailto:aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org) wrote: > > Is anyone tackling network faxing ( Send and recieve ) with open > > source > > stuff ? I have 12 different fax lines between my schools. $$$$ > > Would love to have one FAX number distributing faxes via email to > > users. > > Is that called MS Exchange Server :) > > No, I believe it's called HylaFAX. HylaFAX is probably the best if you have a lot of outbound traffic and multiple lines. For a mostly-inbound setup you could also use the mgetty, mgetty-sendfax and mgetty-viewfax packages that you can install with yum. Back when modems were more necessary I sometimes set up a modem with mgetty on a linux box for remote access with autodetect for text mode, ppp, or fax calls and would later find that it had accepted spam faxes and emailed them to root. The hard part of any inbound scheme is figuring out the right person to receive them unless you designate someone to look at them all and forward to the right place. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From bcarter at jchs.com Wed Mar 9 21:26:13 2005 From: bcarter at jchs.com (Burt Carter) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 16:26:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] mount to /home Message-ID: <200503091626.AA1757741120@mail.jchs.com> On my initial install, which was Redhat ES 3 and LTSP installed on top of it, I never got it to work. It was recommended by Gavin Spurgeon that I download and install the K12ltsp images. I did that from scratch and then followed Gavin's instructions in the howto. I had a brief snaffu in which I got the ip addresses backwards in /etc/hosts, but I quickly remedied that with a little trouble shooting. So, as to why it didn't work initiall on the RHES 3 install, I do not know, my advice is to install K12LTSP and follow the howto if you get stuck. It worked for me. -Burt Carter ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Joe Guenther Reply-To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 13:49:12 -0700 > ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.jchs.com This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain legally privileged and confidential information intended solely for the use of the addressee. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by telephone (478-982-6000) or by electronic mail, and delete this message and all copies and backups thereof. Thank You. From mrambo at lsd.k12.mi.us Wed Mar 9 21:27:53 2005 From: mrambo at lsd.k12.mi.us (Mike Rambo) Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 16:27:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] squidGuard blacklist additions Message-ID: <422F6A59.3010400@lsd.k12.mi.us> The FAQ on k12ltsp.org says to use http://cri.univ-tlse1.fr/documentations/cache/squidguard_en.html#contrib for squidGuard blacklist contributions. Is this still a good place to make blacklist contributions? While I don't remember all that we have contributed at that site a couple that I do remember from in the last couple months that we've found students getting to have not made it into the blacklists yet. x-pirates.com ncaabasketballtournament.com I've checked and it looks like the blacklists are being updated every morning at 5am like they're supposed to but a quick grep shows the above two url's only in our local-block area. It would still be nice to get these to the "master" blacklists. -- Mike Rambo mrambo at lsd.k12.mi.us NOTE: In order to control energy costs the light at the end of the tunnel has been shut off until further notice... From robark at gmail.com Wed Mar 9 22:38:10 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 14:38:10 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] gdm_slave_xioerror_handler: Fatal X error Message-ID: Once in a while some of my clients are getting logged out. Looks like X is going down. I did a tail -f /var/log/messages Mar 9 13:38:56 server gdm[23409]: gdm_slave_xioerror_handler: Fatal X error - Restarting ws133.ltsp:0 Anyone had this problem before? I'm running 3.1.2 (RH9) -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From david at okgoodwill.org Wed Mar 9 22:45:20 2005 From: david at okgoodwill.org (David H. Barr) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 16:45:20 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] New Setup Message-ID: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E282050A20@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> Finally! At last someone saw fit to donate a number of similar machines that are (important part) in working order. So now I have the following gear for my to-be clerical skills training lab: [Server x1] dual 800Mhz PIII 512MB pc133 ECC ~80GB RAID5 2x Intel 10/100 CDRW Floppy [Switch x1] 16 port 10/100 [Printer] HP LJ 4000 (direct attach to server) [Clients x3] IBM PC300GL 350 Mhz PII 128 MB pc100 6.4 GB 3com 10/100 Floppy [Clients x2] IBM NetVista 800 Mhz PIII 128 MB pc133 3com 10/100 Floppy I'm rsyncing from 4.1.0 (my old test set) to 4.2.0 overnight. I'd like some advice on the following, however: /0/ I intend to boot from a small partition on the HDD (essentially a floppy image), but it should leave me over 6GB free; is there any advantage to using this for swap space, home directories or something else? /1/ Can I somehow make good use of the extra horsepower in those 2 NetVistas? /2/ These will be training machines and have no sensitive data on them; how difficult will it be to setup each client to autolog? /3/ There is a tape backup unit in the Server; any suggestions on where to read up on backups under FC3/LTSP? /4/ Anything else you'd like to tell me before I jump in over my head.... Thanks in Advance, David H. Barr Sys / Net Admin Oklahoma Goodwill Industries 410 SW Third ST Oklahoma City, OK 73109 From ramonklown at pop.com.br Wed Mar 9 22:44:11 2005 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 19:44:11 -0300 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Starting work on 4.2.1 In-Reply-To: <422F487B.7070107@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <1110393899.32571.33.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> <422F487B.7070107@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1763.200.165.116.199.1110408251.squirrel@popmail4.pop.com.br> Hey Eric, I've seen a lot of people complain about sound on clients under 4.2.0 Is there something everyone is missing or is there a hack for this? Thanks, Ramon > Dan Young wrote: >> On Sun, 2005-03-06 at 20:59 -0800, Eric Harrison wrote: >> >>>I started work on K12LTSP 4.2.1. So far I have included all of the >>>security & bug fixes. >>> >>>What is new that should be considered for inclusion? >> >> >> Doesn't seem like the verynice project is active upstream, but I'd >> understand if you'd rather see changes made there. >> >> I've gotten more aggressive w/ verynice to kill runaway processes when >> users shut off terminals w/o logging out, specifically >> in /etc/verynice.conf: >> >> runawayexe "gam_server" >> runawayexe "gnome-panel" >> runawayexe "gnome-settings-daemon" >> badkarmarate .1000 >> > > Verynice doesn't see any new development work, but it is so small and > simple that it is trivial to hack on. > > I uploaded a new test package with these changes: > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/ > > > -Eric > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From cliebow at downeast.net Wed Mar 9 22:54:16 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow) Date: 09 Mar 2005 17:54:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Using iMacs as Terminals In-Reply-To: <0F900389C3BCBF4D98226694DBE963F2056D29F6@ECMAIL1.esuhsd.org> References: <0F900389C3BCBF4D98226694DBE963F2056D29F6@ECMAIL1.esuhsd.org> Message-ID: <1110408856.6295.1.camel@leigh> i guess i am the guy championing this..go to the wiki http://wiki.ltsp.org and look under cpu architectures..i have stuff posted there chuck On Wed, 2005-03-09 at 15:35, Selzler, Bruce wrote: > Hello Team, > > There was a lot of talk about using iMacs as LTSP terminals a while > back. There is a great deal of interest in doing this in our StRUT > group here in San Jose. > > Is there an online resource that describes how to do this? I had the > impression that there was a good deal of customization required for > this to happen. Are there plans for including the script or settings > in a future release so that iMacs and PowerPC's can be used as > terminials in a plug and play fashion? Let me know what you think. > > - Sez > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Mar 9 22:58:15 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 17:58:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap log in error In-Reply-To: <200503090311.j293BZSE000476@dbmail-mx2.orcon.net.nz> References: <200503090311.j293BZSE000476@dbmail-mx2.orcon.net.nz> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, March 8, 2005 at 10:10 PM +0000 wrote: >When I add a user using smb LDAP tools I try to log in as my new user >(Krsnendu) and I get this error message. Then can?t proceed. >What can I do? I have some users already in Linux users system. Maybe >that is confusing things. > >Could not resolve address ?xml:readwrite:/home/krsnendu/.gconf? in the >configuration file ?/etc/gconf/2/path:? Failed could not make directory >permission denied. Do any of these users have the same username as any of the users you added using smbldap? If so....that's going to be a problem...if you want to use the same names...delete them as regular system users (using the GUI....redhat users...or CLI tools)....and then create them new as smbldap users....make sure to delete the home dir too, before adding them back. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From cliebow at downeast.net Wed Mar 9 23:28:07 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow) Date: 09 Mar 2005 18:28:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap log in error In-Reply-To: References: <200503090311.j293BZSE000476@dbmail-mx2.orcon.net.nz> Message-ID: <1110410887.6672.3.camel@leigh> the prob is either you have no homedir or the perms are screwed up.. could chown -R user.user /home/user or i there is no homedir cp /etc/skel /home/user..then chmod -R 700 /home/user and the chown command. i am running in to this a lot with ssh and nx..chuck From wescott at sc.rr.com Thu Mar 10 00:09:13 2005 From: wescott at sc.rr.com (Michael C Wescott) Date: 09 Mar 2005 19:09:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Can't delete user In-Reply-To: <1110398265.4405.7.camel@k12ltsp.harekrishna.school.nz> References: <1110398265.4405.7.camel@k12ltsp.harekrishna.school.nz> Message-ID: <1110413353.1085.9.camel@eriadne> On Wed, 2005-03-09 at 14:57, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > id says the user exists, but I can't delete this user. > I get the same error message for any user name. > > [root at k12ltsp sbin]# id krsnendu > uid=1008(krsnendu) gid=513(Domain Users) groups=513(Domain Users) > [root at k12ltsp sbin]# ./smbldap-userdel krsnendu > No such object at /opt/IDEALX/sbin///smbldap_tools.pm line 231, > line 283.[root at k12ltsp sbin]# id krsnendu > uid=1008(krsnendu) gid=513(Domain Users) groups=513(Domain Users) My guess is that you have the name service cache daemon running. It caches info about users and other frequently accessed info. Restart the daemon or just wait for the cache to expire. From joseph.bishay at gmail.com Thu Mar 10 05:14:40 2005 From: joseph.bishay at gmail.com (The Prof) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 00:14:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Help design a new elementary school! In-Reply-To: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E282050A20@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> References: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E282050A20@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> Message-ID: Hello, I'm on the design committee for a new elementary school. We're in the planning stages with the schematics, etc. I'm looking for advice, suggestions, ideas, experiences and so on, from those in the know about how to make this new school technologically the best. We plan on using the k12ltsp system in the new school, so what things should we do? The school currently has only 50 students, but the projected capacity is up to 400 students. So let me know! Joseph From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Mar 10 06:11:10 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 22:11:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] squidGuard blacklist additions In-Reply-To: <422F6A59.3010400@lsd.k12.mi.us> References: <422F6A59.3010400@lsd.k12.mi.us> Message-ID: On Wed, 9 Mar 2005, Mike Rambo wrote: > The FAQ on k12ltsp.org says to use > > http://cri.univ-tlse1.fr/documentations/cache/squidguard_en.html#contrib > > for squidGuard blacklist contributions. Is this still a good place to make > blacklist contributions? > > While I don't remember all that we have contributed at that site a couple that > I do remember from in the last couple months that we've found students getting > to have not made it into the blacklists yet. > > x-pirates.com > ncaabasketballtournament.com > > I've checked and it looks like the blacklists are being updated every morning > at 5am like they're supposed to but a quick grep shows the above two url's > only in our local-block area. > > It would still be nice to get these to the "master" blacklists. I automatically pull down a copy of Toulouse's blacklists every night. So if they include it, it will be included in my lists. If you submit to Toulouse and they don't include it... you can send me a list and I can add them myself. I have added the two above. -Eric From perodim at on.net.mk Thu Mar 10 10:49:40 2005 From: perodim at on.net.mk (Petar Dimitrijevic) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:49:40 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Setting quotas and remote X win connection from MS Windows Message-ID: <42302644.7050002@on.net.mk> Hi to all, I installed KLTSP 4.2.0 on a server at work, few weeks ago. Samba is configured as Domain Server with the excellent smbdlap script. The logins are managed through Samba/LDAP combination and the username, passwords and home directories are all the same both for Windows and Linux machines. The questions would be: 1. My co-workers are often saving large files on their desktop or in their My Documents folder. Is there any way that quotas can be set ? 2. The server has no monitor or input devices attached to it. I manage it through SSH, but only in text mode. Is there any way I can connect to the remote X windows session from Windows ? and how can I do that from Linux ? Best regards, Petar Dimitrijevic From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 10 11:26:05 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 03:26:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Setting quotas and remote X win connection from MS Windows In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050310112605.42650.qmail@web41627.mail.yahoo.com> For remote x sessions from windows, you can install Cygwin and Cygwin/X. They are a free download. Once installed, you can install openssh into Cygwin and use that to connect to the server, or I guess you could use any other ssh client (but I've only tried openssh). Once logged into the server, you should be able to launch any gui program you want. There's a command to get the entire linux desktop to display on your Windows machine, but I can't remember it. -Rob --- Petar Dimitrijevic wrote: > Hi to all, > > I installed KLTSP 4.2.0 on a server at work, few > weeks ago. Samba is > configured as Domain Server with the excellent > smbdlap script. The > logins are managed through Samba/LDAP combination > and the username, > passwords and home directories are all the same both > for Windows and > Linux machines. > > The questions would be: > 1. My co-workers are often saving large files on > their desktop or in > their My Documents folder. Is there any way that > quotas can be set ? > > 2. The server has no monitor or input devices > attached to it. I manage > it through SSH, but only in text mode. Is there any > way I can connect to > the remote X windows session from Windows ? and how > can I do that from > Linux ? > > Best regards, > Petar Dimitrijevic > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From gumprechtm at msln.net Thu Mar 10 11:35:31 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 06:35:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Help design a new elementary school! In-Reply-To: References: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E282050A20@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> Message-ID: <42303103.30903@msln.net> I am also interested in this from the K12LTSP perspective. We are looking at a new facility to be built to replace the old High school, junior high and elementary complex. Currently, the old setup is a 1024 subnet of mess, 950 users, installed in sections, obliterating any standard possible! Looking for that not to happen again. (Already writing my standards proposal). Mark The Prof wrote: >Hello, > >I'm on the design committee for a new elementary school. We're in the >planning stages with the schematics, etc. I'm looking for advice, >suggestions, ideas, experiences and so on, from those in the know >about how to make this new school technologically the best. We plan >on using the k12ltsp system in the new school, so what things should >we do? The school currently has only 50 students, but the projected >capacity is up to 400 students. > >So let me know! > >Joseph > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 10 11:37:13 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 03:37:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] what causes runaway processes? Message-ID: <20050310113713.72318.qmail@web41609.mail.yahoo.com> My terminal locked up the other day and I had to hit the reset button. Afterwards, there were still processes running on the server from that locked-up-and-reset session. Does anybody know what the root cause of this is? I know there's been a lot of discussion about how to kill these processes, but I'm more interested in stopping them from occurring in the first place (if that's even possible). Is this a problem with GDM? Or does it happen with other display managers? OpenSSH has protection against this sort of thing, and I wonder if it could be integrated into the thin client model. By default, the ssh server will kill all processes owned by a remote user if that user's connection gets broken. Seems like ltsp could use this sort of functionality. Here's the option description of this feature, taken from "man sshd_config": (sorry if the formatting is poor) TCPKeepAlive Specifies whether the system should send TCP keepalive messages to the other side. If they are sent, death of the connection or crash of one of the machines will be properly noticed. However, this means that connections will die if the route is down tempo- rarily, and some people find it annoying. On the other hand, if TCP keepalives are not sent, sessions may hang indefinitely on the server, leaving ``ghost'' users and consuming server resources. The default is ``yes'' (to send TCP keepalive messages), and the server will notice if the network goes down or the client host crashes. This avoids infinitely hanging sessions. To disable TCP keepalive messages, the value should be set to ``no''. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 10 11:43:23 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 03:43:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Help design a new elementary school! In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050310114323.59825.qmail@web41601.mail.yahoo.com> Is the building already existing? If not, or if it's being renovated, I have a suggestion for you. Have them install large conduit to house your network wires, etc. That way, years down the road when nobody's using category 5 cable anymore, it will be easier for the school to upgrade than if it was "permanently" installed like electrical wiring is. I did this in my home. In fact, I ran double sets of conduit so that I could separate different types of wires to avoid possible interference. It paid off, because I soon found myself running network cable and speaker wire all over the place. -Rob --- Mark Gumprecht wrote: > I am also interested in this from the K12LTSP > perspective. We are > looking at a new facility to be built to replace the > old High school, > junior high and elementary complex. Currently, the > old setup is a 1024 > subnet of mess, 950 users, installed in sections, > obliterating any > standard possible! Looking for that not to happen > again. (Already > writing my standards proposal). > Mark > > The Prof wrote: > > >Hello, > > > >I'm on the design committee for a new elementary > school. We're in the > >planning stages with the schematics, etc. I'm > looking for advice, > >suggestions, ideas, experiences and so on, from > those in the know > >about how to make this new school technologically > the best. We plan > >on using the k12ltsp system in the new school, so > what things should > >we do? The school currently has only 50 students, > but the projected > >capacity is up to 400 students. > > > >So let me know! > > > >Joseph > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > > > > -- > Mark Gumprecht > Data Systems Specialist > MSAD3 > Unity, ME > gumprechtm at msln.net > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Thu Mar 10 12:16:10 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 12:16:10 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap-useradd-bulk script & quota's Message-ID: <01f601c5256a$f1f58e10$65c8a8c0@brianwork> I've been looking through the smbldap-useradd-bulk script and trying to workout how to add quota limits. Currently we have a script that generates then copies the quota from a user called ideal_student using the command edquota -p ideal_student username Could someone tell me where in the script I'd have to add this, I was thinking just under the line where the users smbpasswd is set Perhaps it could be added as an optional field to the file that the script reads ? but I have no idea how to do this. Thanks Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From sbetts at msad71.net Thu Mar 10 12:48:42 2005 From: sbetts at msad71.net (Sharon Betts) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 07:48:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Help design a new elementary school! In-Reply-To: References: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E282050A20@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> Message-ID: Hi Joseph, We just opened a new K-3 school with interactive white boards in each classroom, enhanced audio in each room, wireless throughout. It is a combination of thin clients and full teacher workstations. I would love to expound on our planning and results either privately or onlist -- just let me know. Sharon The Prof on Thursday, March 10, 2005 at 12:14 AM +0000 wrote: >Hello, > >I'm on the design committee for a new elementary school. We're in the >planning stages with the schematics, etc. I'm looking for advice, >suggestions, ideas, experiences and so on, from those in the know >about how to make this new school technologically the best. We plan >on using the k12ltsp system in the new school, so what things should >we do? The school currently has only 50 students, but the projected >capacity is up to 400 students. > >So let me know! > >Joseph > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see Sharon MSAD#71 Director of Educational Technology sbetts at msad71.net http://www.msad71.net 207-985-1100 "To err is human - and to blame it on a computer is even more so." Robert Orben From microman at cmosnetworks.com Thu Mar 10 13:09:09 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:09:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Help design a new elementary school! In-Reply-To: <20050310114323.59825.qmail@web41601.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050310114323.59825.qmail@web41601.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <423046F5.30006@cmosnetworks.com> Agreed. And once that conduit is laid, start running fiber everywhere, as many strands as you can reasonably afford. We're doing that in all of our schools now. If you can afford it, run a pair of fiber alongside every Cat5 run that you're now doing; running fiber isn't nearly as expensive as it once used to be. Fiber NICs, though, *are* relatively quite expensive today, but who's to say ten or twenty years from now? I've done this in my home as well; each "data port" is actually a combined wall plate w/ RJ-11, two coax runs (cable TV/modem service), RJ-45 Cat5, and fiber (SC connectors). It's great, and I won't have to do that again for a very, very long time. --TP Rob Owens wrote: >Is the building already existing? If not, or if it's >being renovated, I have a suggestion for you. Have >them install large conduit to house your network >wires, etc. That way, years down the road when >nobody's using category 5 cable anymore, it will be >easier for the school to upgrade than if it was >"permanently" installed like electrical wiring is. > >I did this in my home. In fact, I ran double sets of >conduit so that I could separate different types of >wires to avoid possible interference. It paid off, >because I soon found myself running network cable and >speaker wire all over the place. > >-Rob > >--- Mark Gumprecht wrote: > > >>I am also interested in this from the K12LTSP >>perspective. We are >>looking at a new facility to be built to replace the >>old High school, >>junior high and elementary complex. Currently, the >>old setup is a 1024 >>subnet of mess, 950 users, installed in sections, >>obliterating any >>standard possible! Looking for that not to happen >>again. (Already >>writing my standards proposal). >>Mark >> >>The Prof wrote: >> >> >> >>>Hello, >>> >>>I'm on the design committee for a new elementary >>> >>> >>school. We're in the >> >> >>>planning stages with the schematics, etc. I'm >>> >>> >>looking for advice, >> >> >>>suggestions, ideas, experiences and so on, from >>> >>> >>those in the know >> >> >>>about how to make this new school technologically >>> >>> >>the best. We plan >> >> >>>on using the k12ltsp system in the new school, so >>> >>> >>what things should >> >> >>>we do? The school currently has only 50 students, >>> >>> >>but the projected >> >> >>>capacity is up to 400 students. >>> >>>So let me know! >>> >>>Joseph >>> >>> From trond at mahlum.biz Thu Mar 10 13:22:59 2005 From: trond at mahlum.biz (Trond =?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E6hlum?=) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 14:22:59 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Purge processes when users log out Message-ID: <1110460979.9440.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> I have noticed a function in K12LTSP in /etc/sysconfig/k12ltsp. I can set purge_processes=yes I thought that this would kill a users processes when he/she logs out. It doesn't. When I do a "top" from time to time, soffice.bin and firefox-bin often run for users who are not still logged in. Is there an extra hack that can be applied to remedy this? We use gdm and icewm Regards Trond M?hlum From HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG Thu Mar 10 13:50:42 2005 From: HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Burroughs, Henry) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:50:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Default Settings for Workstations Message-ID: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D78420073FE8@hhpmail.MEDIA.LOCAL> Sez, If you are using GNOME, you can set many defaults via GCONF. This is for Gnome 2.6, but I think it will work for 2.8. http://www.gnome.org/learn/admin-guide/2.6/ch01.html Look in the section titled "To Set Background Preferences" for an idea how to set the background for all users (I've done that before). Basically, you can make certain settings mandatory for all users via gconf. You can even not make things mandatory, but change the defaults. Good luck! Henry Burroughs Technology Director Hilton Head Preparatory School Hilton Head Island, SC www.hhprep.org -----Original Message----- From: Selzler, Bruce [mailto:SelzlerB at esuhsd.org] Sent: Mon 3/7/2005 10:15 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Cc: Subject: [K12OSN] Default Settings for Workstations Hello Team, I have a couple of questions. First, is there a way to set up defaults on the LTSP server that will be mirrored on all of the workstations? I'm thinking of desktop backgrounds, Firefox favorites, menu bars, that sort of thing. I would like every user to have a common desktop, favorites, etc. And once you have those set, is there a way to "lock" those in place? We use Deep Freeze on Windows, so if a student puts something inappropriate as a desktop background, or puts inappropriate links in the favorites a simple restart puts everything back to its original settings. I'd like to be able to do something similar with LTSP. Any thoughts? - Sez From moquist at majen.net Thu Mar 10 14:19:16 2005 From: moquist at majen.net (Matt Oquist) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:19:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap-useradd-bulk script & quota's (Brian Chivers) In-Reply-To: <20050310132456.0168C73853@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050310132456.0168C73853@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20050310141916.GC4383@majen.net> > From: "Brian Chivers" > Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap-useradd-bulk script & quota's > I've been looking through the smbldap-useradd-bulk script and trying to > workout how to add quota limits. Currently we have a script that generates > then copies the quota from a user called ideal_student using the command > > edquota -p ideal_student username > > Could someone tell me where in the script I'd have to add this, I was > thinking just under the line where the users smbpasswd is set Yeah, that looks right. Probably like this: # Silently change the user's LDAP password # (If we don't redirect stderr into /dev/null, smbldap-passwd # complains.) open PWD, "| smbldap-passwd $uname 2>/dev/null 1>&2"; print PWD "$password\n$password"; close PWD; edquota -p $opt_q $uname If you want to just hack this on your own system ATM, you can just put "edquota -p ideal_student $uname" right there and it should work for you. I put "$opt_q" there because this sounds like it should be an additional option - how about "-q "? > Perhaps it could be added as an optional field to the file that the script > reads ? but I have no idea how to do this. Yeah, you're right. It should be an optional field in the input, but there should also be a "-q" (or whatever, but I think 'q' makes sense) option on the command line to allow a default ideal-user to be specified. I'm kinda swamped at the moment, but I can plan to get to this and Dave's ACL work in a couple of weeks or so. If anybody needs this urgently, try hacking it in as I mentioned above... Good suggestion, Brian. --matt -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Thu Mar 10 14:19:06 2005 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 14:19:06 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Purge processes when users log out In-Reply-To: <1110460979.9440.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1110460979.9440.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200503101419.06405.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> On Thursday 10 Mar 2005 1:22 pm, Trond M?hlum wrote: > I have noticed a function in K12LTSP in /etc/sysconfig/k12ltsp. I can > set purge_processes=yes > > I thought that this would kill a users processes when he/she logs out. > It doesn't. When I do a "top" from time to time, soffice.bin and > firefox-bin often run for users who are not still logged in. > > Is there an extra hack that can be applied to remedy this? We use gdm > and icewm Is there a few minutes when no one is logged in? We reboot our servers each night via cron, which ensures nobody is left logged in and any rogue processes are dealt with. Not elegant but does the job. -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From greg.hovland at hopelhs.org Thu Mar 10 14:54:18 2005 From: greg.hovland at hopelhs.org (Greg Hovland) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:54:18 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] log off users via ssh? Message-ID: Is there a way to log off users that are not suppose to be logged. This would be done from a remote site, possibly via ssh. Any other suggestions would be appreciated. Greg Hovland From aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org Thu Mar 10 15:22:43 2005 From: aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org (aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 10:22:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Network FAX system vs. 12 FAX numbers Message-ID: <2348600990.1110450163@localhost> > HylaFAX is probably the best if you have a lot of outbound traffic and > multiple lines. For a mostly-inbound setup you could also use > the mgetty, mgetty-sendfax and mgetty-viewfax packages that you > can install with yum. I don't know what I have :) :) in terms of in/out I know I pay for 12 phone lines for FAX a month. Just looking to trim some costs. I was hoping to go down to two llines an in FAX and out FAX via the network and linux to distribute in coming. I must do more research... Thanks, Tom Ventresco From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Thu Mar 10 15:31:10 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 15:31:10 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap-useradd-bulk script & quota's (Brian Chivers) References: <20050310132456.0168C73853@hormel.redhat.com> <20050310141916.GC4383@majen.net> Message-ID: <029201c52586$2f88ff80$65c8a8c0@brianwork> Matt Oquist wrote: > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see Sorry to add to your workload !!!! At the mo I'm only planning and test ready for the big swop around (4 servers at the mo) so not a problem waiting a week or so. If you need me to beta anything for you just ask Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Thu Mar 10 15:33:18 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 15:33:18 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] log off users via ssh? References: Message-ID: <029801c52586$7c443f60$65c8a8c0@brianwork> Greg Hovland wrote: > Is there a way to log off users that are not suppose to be logged. > > This would be done from a remote site, possibly via ssh. > > Any other suggestions would be appreciated. > > Greg Hovland > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see Couldn't you alter the config of sshd, not sure how but I would have thought you could. I know PAM has login restrictions but this would possibly break LTSP. Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Mar 10 16:02:44 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 10:02:44 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Instructions to support PPC in LTSP Message-ID: <007801c5258a$986b4a90$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Start Server Setup Unpack the apple.tar.gz # tar -zxvf apple.tar.gz # cd apple # cp initrd-ppc-2.4.22-ltsp-1 /tftpboot # cp vmlinux-ppc-2.4.22-ltsp-1 /tftpboot Make quick edit to yaboot.conf # vi yaboot.conf Remove the /tftpboot from the image and initrd lines: #device=enet: #partition=0 timeout=30 init-message="Lumensoftware Terminal Server" default=linux image=/vmlinux-ppc-2.4.22-ltsp-1 label=linux initrd=/initrd-ppc-2.4.22-ltsp-1 append="init=/linuxrc rw root=/dev/ram0" # cp yaboot.conf /tftpboot # cp yaboot /tftpboot # cp ltsp-ppc.tar.gz /opt/ltsp # cd /opt/ltsp # tar -zxvf ltsp-ppc.tar.gz Edit /etc/exports by adding extra lines to server ppc directory: # vi /etc/exports /opt/ltsp/i386 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(ro,no_root_squash,sync) /opt/ltsp/ppc 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(ro,no_root_squash,sync) # new line for mac support /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(rw,no_root_squash,async) Restart nfs # /etc/init.d/nfs restart Edit /etc/dhcpd.conf for Mac support: Attached is a sample dhcpd.conf file. Restart dhcpd when finished making changes. #/etc/init.d/dhcpd restart End of Server Setup --------------------------------------- Start Client Setup Boot client while holding apple+option+o+f (to boot to open firmware). Type the following at the command line: boot enet:192.168.0.254 Hit enter. There may be a slight hesitation followed by a black screen and a blinking globe, after that you should see the Lumensoftware yaboot screen. Then the kernel and all of the fun stuff should load, when finished you should be at a command prompt. If that happened without errors type startx This should boot you to a login screen. If not, start troubleshooting your XF86Config and make a custom one. So far I have tested all flavor iBooks and iMacs and have only had trouble with the Indigo Vintage and have a custom XF86Config to handle this if needed. Now that you know your setup works modify /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc/lts.conf # vi /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc/lts.conf Comment out "SCREEN_01 = shell" and uncomment "SCREEN_01 = startx", now startup of X will be automatic. Next if you want to set your macs to permanently boot from the ltsp server without interaction do the following: Boot with apple+option+o+f again Type the follwing at the command line: setenv boot-device enet:192.168.0.254 Hit enter. setenv auto-boot? true Hit enter. reset-all Hit enter. The machine should reboot and now automatically boot to ltsp every time it is powered up. Tip: If for some reason your machine will not boot after entering boot enet:192.168.0.254 with some error that it cannot find a boot loader or whatever, try this: boot enet:192.168.0.254,yaboot For some reason this is sometimes necessary. End Client Setup -------------------------------- -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: dhcpd.conf Type: application/octet-stream Size: 2597 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Mar 10 16:08:27 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 10:08:27 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Using iMacs as Terminals In-Reply-To: <0F900389C3BCBF4D98226694DBE963F2056D29F6@ECMAIL1.esuhsd.org> Message-ID: <008201c5258b$64f4bdd0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Bruce, I just made a new post titled "Instructions to support PPC in LTSP". Check that out, it should walk you right through setup. Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Selzler, Bruce Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 2:36 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com; k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Using iMacs as Terminals Hello Team, There was a lot of talk about using iMacs as LTSP terminals a while back. There is a great deal of interest in doing this in our StRUT group here in San Jose. Is there an online resource that describes how to do this? I had the impression that there was a good deal of customization required for this to happen. Are there plans for including the script or settings in a future release so that iMacs and PowerPC's can be used as terminials in a plug and play fashion? Let me know what you think. - Sez -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Tech Department and is believed to be clean. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Mar 10 16:19:16 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 10:19:16 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] log off users via ssh? In-Reply-To: <029801c52586$7c443f60$65c8a8c0@brianwork> Message-ID: <008c01c5258c$e7b9a680$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > > Is there a way to log off users that are not suppose to be logged. > > > > This would be done from a remote site, possibly via ssh. > > > > Any other suggestions would be appreciated. I think what Greg is asking is how would he log of LTSP users in a lab at school while he is offsite. I know he could log in with VNC and use TeacherTool. So my suggestion would be to install VNC Server on the LTSP server and then use a VNC client to connect to the server (from whatever platform). Unless someone has an easy way to do this as he suggested through ssh. Is there a command line tool to list current users and then another to kill specific users? Would probably want something sensitive to LTSP so as not to corrupt things. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From henryhartley at westat.com Thu Mar 10 16:18:13 2005 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:18:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Help design a new elementary school! Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F075A5CBB@remail2.westat.com> On Thu, 10 March, 2005 at 8:09 AM, Terrell Prude, Jr said: >> >> I've done this in my home as well; each "data port" is actually a >> combined wall plate w/ RJ-11, two coax runs (cable TV/modem service), >> RJ-45 Cat5, and fiber (SC connectors). It's great, and I won't have to >> do that again for a very, very long time. I've been meaning to wire my house for about two years but never quite got around to it. This week we decided to sell so I guess that's okay. But the next house, now I'm REALLY going to do it there. -- Henry From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Thu Mar 10 16:19:40 2005 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:19:40 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] log off users via ssh? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1110471580.10826.2.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> On Thu, 2005-03-10 at 08:54 -0600, Greg Hovland wrote: > Is there a way to log off users that are not suppose to be logged. > > This would be done from a remote site, possibly via ssh. The BOFH method is 'pkill -u username', where username is the user you want to "log off." -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Thu Mar 10 16:23:49 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:23:49 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] log off users via ssh? References: <1110471580.10826.2.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <042301c5258d$8acf1210$65c8a8c0@brianwork> Dan Young wrote: > On Thu, 2005-03-10 at 08:54 -0600, Greg Hovland wrote: >> Is there a way to log off users that are not suppose to be logged. >> >> This would be done from a remote site, possibly via ssh. > > The BOFH method is 'pkill -u username', where username is the user you > want to "log off." Do a ps -aux | grep sshd will give you a list of ssh processes then you could do a kill -9 `pid` ? You could script this to look for unauthorised users then kill them automagically, run this as a cron job and your away. Not sure how to do the script but wouldn't be too hard. Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Thu Mar 10 16:34:31 2005 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:34:31 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] log off users via ssh? In-Reply-To: <042301c5258d$8acf1210$65c8a8c0@brianwork> References: <1110471580.10826.2.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> <042301c5258d$8acf1210$65c8a8c0@brianwork> Message-ID: <1110472471.10826.6.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> On Thu, 2005-03-10 at 16:23 +0000, Brian Chivers wrote: > Dan Young wrote: > > On Thu, 2005-03-10 at 08:54 -0600, Greg Hovland wrote: > >> Is there a way to log off users that are not suppose to be logged. > >> > >> This would be done from a remote site, possibly via ssh. > > > > The BOFH method is 'pkill -u username', where username is the user you > > want to "log off." > > Do a ps -aux | grep sshd will give you a list of ssh processes then you > could do a kill -9 `pid` ? > > You could script this to look for unauthorised users then kill them > automagically, run this as a cron job and your away. > > Not sure how to do the script but wouldn't be too hard. Maybe I misunderstood, but I don't think he's looking to log off ssh users, I think he's looking to log off users via ssh (i.e. remotely, from a command line.) -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From petre at maltzen.net Thu Mar 10 16:38:17 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 10:38:17 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Setting quotas and remote X win connection from MS Windows In-Reply-To: <20050310112605.42650.qmail@web41627.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050310112605.42650.qmail@web41627.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <423077F9.9060506@maltzen.net> Or you could install VNC on the server, set it to launch via xinetd (it may do this automatically when you install it, or you may have to set it up by hand, which isn't too hard), and then just use a VNC client on your desktop to connect to the server. You'll get the same login screen as the thin clients. Petre Rob Owens wrote: > For remote x sessions from windows, you can install > Cygwin and Cygwin/X. They are a free download. Once > installed, you can install openssh into Cygwin and use > that to connect to the server, or I guess you could > use any other ssh client (but I've only tried > openssh). Once logged into the server, you should be > able to launch any gui program you want. There's a > command to get the entire linux desktop to display on > your Windows machine, but I can't remember it. > > -Rob > > --- Petar Dimitrijevic wrote: > >>Hi to all, >> >>I installed KLTSP 4.2.0 on a server at work, few >>weeks ago. Samba is >>configured as Domain Server with the excellent >>smbdlap script. The >>logins are managed through Samba/LDAP combination >>and the username, >>passwords and home directories are all the same both >>for Windows and >>Linux machines. >> >>The questions would be: >>1. My co-workers are often saving large files on >>their desktop or in >>their My Documents folder. Is there any way that >>quotas can be set ? >> >>2. The server has no monitor or input devices >>attached to it. I manage >>it through SSH, but only in text mode. Is there any >>way I can connect to >>the remote X windows session from Windows ? and how >>can I do that from >>Linux ? >> >>Best regards, >>Petar Dimitrijevic >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Mar 10 16:42:57 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 10:42:57 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] log off users via ssh? In-Reply-To: <1110472471.10826.6.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <008f01c52590$36f2fe60$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Maybe I misunderstood, but I don't think he's looking to log > off ssh users, I think he's looking to log off users via ssh > (i.e. remotely, from a command line.) That is how I took it as well. Looking to log off ltsp users remotely via ssh. Example student x should be in study hall not on a computer, so check if user x is logged in, then kill user x and all associated processes if need be. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Mar 10 16:51:30 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 10:51:30 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] log off users via ssh? In-Reply-To: <008c01c5258c$e7b9a680$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <009301c52591$689e5620$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > So my suggestion would be to install VNC Server on the LTSP > server and then use a VNC client to connect to the server > (from whatever platform). Unless someone has an easy way to > do this as he suggested through ssh. VNC server I think is installed by default on K12LTSP (correct me if I'm wrong). Try to download a viewer for your platform from here http://www.realvnc.com/products/free/4.1/download.html When run just enter the external IP of your server and it should bring you to a login screen just like you were in the lab. Log in and run TeacherTool to kill user processes. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From greg.hovland at hopelhs.org Thu Mar 10 17:28:00 2005 From: greg.hovland at hopelhs.org (Greg Hovland) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:28:00 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] log off users via ssh? SOLUTION FOUND In-Reply-To: <009301c52591$689e5620$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <008c01c5258c$e7b9a680$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> <009301c52591$689e5620$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: > VNC server I think is installed by default on K12LTSP (correct me if > I'm > wrong). Try to download a viewer for your platform from here > http://www.realvnc.com/products/free/4.1/download.html > When run just enter the external IP of your server and it should bring > you to a login screen just like you were in the lab. Log in and run > TeacherTool to kill user processes. This approach works! Thank you to the group! Greg Hovland From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 10 17:39:13 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:39:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Network FAX system vs. 12 FAX numbers In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050310173913.34166.qmail@web41604.mail.yahoo.com> If you wanted, you could also get phone/fax service from a VOIP (voice over IP) company. I have a voice phone line from vonage (www.vonage.com) and I could add a fax-only line for $10/month. Heck, if you decide you want to try vonage, I can send you an email referral and you'll save some money off of your first bill. The only thing with VOIP is that they don't always have access to phone numbers in your local area. For instance, according to my geographical location my phone number should have been 973-827-****, but I ended up having to take 973-409-**** which is actually for a town about 15 miles away. The cool thing is that I could have asked for a California number if I wanted (and I live in NJ). -Rob --- aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org wrote: > > HylaFAX is probably the best if you have a lot of > outbound traffic and > > multiple lines. For a mostly-inbound setup you > could also use > > the mgetty, mgetty-sendfax and mgetty-viewfax > packages that you > > can install with yum. > > I don't know what I have :) :) in terms of in/out I > know I pay for 12 > phone lines for FAX a month. Just looking to trim > some costs. I was > hoping to go down to two llines an in FAX and out > FAX via the network and > linux to distribute in coming. I must do more > research... > Thanks, > Tom Ventresco > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 10 17:42:44 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:42:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] log off users via ssh? In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050310174244.47261.qmail@web41621.mail.yahoo.com> I have used this method successfully. Seemed to work fine w/ no ill side-effects, but I've only used it a handful of times. -Rob --- Dan Young wrote: > On Thu, 2005-03-10 at 08:54 -0600, Greg Hovland > wrote: > > Is there a way to log off users that are not > suppose to be logged. > > > > This would be done from a remote site, possibly > via ssh. > > The BOFH method is 'pkill -u username', where > username is the user you > want to "log off." > > -- > Dan Young > Parkrose School District > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 10 17:54:51 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:54:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Help design a new elementary school! In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050310175451.37241.qmail@web41604.mail.yahoo.com> I did my house right before we finished our basement. I didn't know exactly what I wanted to go where, so I ran wires too and from easy-access points, like closets. It turned out to be pretty flexible, because I could change what connects to where by changing connections that were easily accessible in the closets. For instance instead of running wires from the basement directly to upstairs, I ran wires from the basement, into a closet, and then from the closet to upstairs. Another thing I did: When the ceiling / walls were all open and I was running the conduit, I ran some wires that I knew I was going to need. But I didn't run them in the conduit, because the purpose of the conduit was to make *future* wiring projects easier. Of course I could have just bought more conduit, but I was on a budget and had space constraints as well. -Rob --- Henry Hartley wrote: > I've been meaning to wire my house for about two > years but never quite > got around to it. This week we decided to sell so I > guess that's okay. > But the next house, now I'm REALLY going to do it > there. > > -- > Henry > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From spowers at inlandlakes.org Thu Mar 10 18:14:12 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 13:14:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Deleting Swap Files Message-ID: I just got a warning that my /var partition was almost full -- so I investigated, only to find 20GB of swapfiles... I use DHCP, and my many, many thin clients have made many, many swapfiles. Is there a way to prune the old ones, without freaking out the "in use" ones? Is there any way to tell what ones are in use? Thanks for any help, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Thu Mar 10 18:16:41 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 13:16:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Instructions to support PPC in LTSP In-Reply-To: <007801c5258a$986b4a90$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <007801c5258a$986b4a90$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: Great! Thanks for documenting this....by the way...where can I get the apple.tar.gz file? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From les at futuresource.com Thu Mar 10 18:19:07 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 12:19:07 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Network FAX system vs. 12 FAX numbers In-Reply-To: <20050310173913.34166.qmail@web41604.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050310173913.34166.qmail@web41604.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1110478747.2469.7.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2005-03-10 at 11:39, Rob Owens wrote: > If you wanted, you could also get phone/fax service > from a VOIP (voice over IP) company. I have a voice > phone line from vonage (www.vonage.com) and I could > add a fax-only line for $10/month. Heck, if you > decide you want to try vonage, I can send you an email > referral and you'll save some money off of your first > bill. Do you know if there are pure-software fax-over-voip programs so you don't have to connect to a real fax machine? When I was using hylafax years ago the modems seemed to be the weakest link in the concept and sometimes would not quite work with certain fax machines at the other end. It would be nice if a service company handled that part of the problem for you. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Mar 10 18:28:14 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:28:14 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Instructions to support PPC in LTSP Message-ID: <200503101725.j2AHPhl02187@downeast.net> David: tyry 169.244.61.66/apple.tar.gz..look on the wiki for my original instructions under cpu architecture..chuck > Great! Thanks for documenting this....by the way...where can I get the > apple.tar.gz file? > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Mar 10 18:33:37 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 10:33:37 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Deleting Swap Files In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42309301.5020604@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Shawn Powers wrote: > I just got a warning that my /var partition was almost full -- so I > investigated, only to find 20GB of swapfiles... > > I use DHCP, and my many, many thin clients have made many, many > swapfiles. Is there a way to prune the old ones, without freaking out > the "in use" ones? Is there any way to tell what ones are in use? > > Thanks for any help, > -Shawn > One possibility, which I have not tested yet, is to use tmpwatch to automatically clean the unused swap files. Try running this and see what it thinks should be deleted: /usr/sbin/tmpwatch --verbose --test 720 /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles I'll test this out later tonight and add it the ltsp packages if it works as expected. All that needs to be done is a new shell script added to /etc/cron.daily that runs that command (without the --verbose & --test flags). -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 256 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From milanut at opus.co.tt Thu Mar 10 18:34:53 2005 From: milanut at opus.co.tt (milanut at opus.co.tt) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 14:34:53 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] New Installation Questions Message-ID: <7221ad5d561c47fe81ac69097b81b949.milanut@opus.co.tt> Hi all, I recently downloaded the 4.2.0 version of K12LTSP and managed to install and able to get a couple of old IBM Aptivas to function as clients. I would like, for one, to "narrow" the choices for the students at startup: meaning I would like to make Xfce as the default session instead of GNOME and reduce the list of available session that they can choose from to only a couple (IceWM and Xfce). I tried the suggestions given at http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net/k12ltsp/icewm.htm but no joy. Can this be done or am I wanting too much? Martisha From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Mar 10 18:41:21 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 12:41:21 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Instructions to support PPC in LTSP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00a301c525a0$c1008900$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Great! Thanks for documenting this....by the way...where can > I get the apple.tar.gz file? No problem. Let me know if there are any descrepancies. Here is the link to the apple.tar.gz http://169.244.61.66/apple.tar.gz I'll get a new tarball together fairly soon with a new yaboot.conf, dhcpd.conf, exports, custom XF86Config.indigo file, etc. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Mar 10 18:37:28 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:37:28 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] david: nx support for osx Message-ID: <200503101734.j2AHYvl03814@downeast.net> the nx guys are about to release nxc library (nxclient and nxnxconnect) which compiles on windowes and linux..They are asking for a little "love" for an apple port..Know anyone among the apple guys could give them a little support??chuck > Great! Thanks for documenting this....by the way...where can I get the > apple.tar.gz file? > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From morelocj at canby.k12.or.us Thu Mar 10 18:42:53 2005 From: morelocj at canby.k12.or.us (Joseph Morelock) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 10:42:53 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Help design a new elementary school! In-Reply-To: References: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E282050A20@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> Message-ID: Joseph, You have to look at building design for sustainability in the long run. Being that this building will last 80 years or so into the future, there is no way to know what kind of connectivity will be in use 10, 20, or 50 years in the future. You have to think of terms of building usage. How will people live and work in this building? Will walls be open and movable, or will you create 900 sq. ft. classrooms? We are currently in the design phase for a new middle school, and some of the considerations being made include: 1. How do we support the use of thin-client systems in every room? We want to make connectivity pervasive in all spaces, so we are planning for a minimum of 4 LTSP terminals connected in every classroom at all times. That is beyond the wiring (Cat-6a) that we will include for other uses (see below). Also, our IDF closets need to have enough capacity for both wires and servers, with proper cooling systems that are separate from the main HVAC systems. Since we are going with a 2-story building design, we have "stacked" the IDF's above each other, in order to conserve pathway and make it easier to do who-knows-what-in-30-years in those closets later. We also installed windows (no, not M$ windoze) in order for the students to be able to see the systems that they use each day when they connect. We did that in the high school recently, and the kids really dig it. Also, make sure that your MDF has proper cooling and enough EMPTY conduit from both the outside world, as well as, an empty one to each IDF for future wire pulls. 2. How do we support wireless connectivity in every place on campus? All of our school buildings are wireless now (and have been for several years), and we see no reason not to continue that paradigm. We are moving in the direction of Apple iBooks for laptops, and K12LTSP for our wired workstations. For our wireless infrastructure, we are going to place network jacks and electrical outlets next to each other, above the ceiling tile (yes, I know about PoE) in several locations in the building. In fact, we are overlapping in our design, as we do not know what building aspects will create interference with the stations. Also, those stations will run on their "own" network, so as to isolate problems more quickly (think: rogue laptops). 3. How do we mix local and centrally-managed video distribution in every teachable space (classrooms, cafeteria, media center)? In every classroom and other teachable space, we are including: voice amplification systems (Lightspeed), video projectors (instead of televisions), Cat-6a connections for the projectors, to use in a future capacity, and video/audio "mixers" for each space We will use those to connect the sound from the voice systems, the VCR/DVD, and the teacher's terminal...and the video from those sources, as well as what might come across the Cat-6a in the future. We believe that the convergence of video and data will happen (voice & data already have), and that we will be able to deliver video across the data connections we already installed. I hope that helps start you on the path...sorry for being so wordy... Joe On Mar 9, 2005, at 9:14 PM, The Prof wrote: > Hello, > > I'm on the design committee for a new elementary school. We're in the > planning stages with the schematics, etc. I'm looking for advice, > suggestions, ideas, experiences and so on, from those in the know > about how to make this new school technologically the best. We plan > on using the k12ltsp system in the new school, so what things should > we do? The school currently has only 50 students, but the projected > capacity is up to 400 students. > > So let me know! > > Joseph > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > Joseph Morelock Director of Network & Information Services Canby School District morelocj at canby.k12.or.us 503.266.7861 Abstention from any aleatory undertaking precludes a potential escalation of a lucrative nature. From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Mar 10 18:39:44 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:39:44 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] New Installation Questions Message-ID: <200503101737.j2AHbDl04252@downeast.net> lots of us are usiong kdm and icewmm for dm and wm..i like kdm a lot for minimizing options..need help..holler..chuck> Hi all, > > I recently downloaded the 4.2.0 version of K12LTSP and managed to install and able to get a couple of old IBM Aptivas to function as clients. I would like, for one, to "narrow" the choices for the students at startup: meaning I would like to make Xfce as the default session instead of GNOME and reduce the list of available session that they can choose from to only a couple (IceWM and Xfce). I tried the suggestions given at http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net/k12ltsp/icewm.htm but no joy. > > Can this be done or am I wanting too much? > > Martisha > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From spowers at inlandlakes.org Thu Mar 10 18:45:39 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 13:45:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Deleting Swap Files In-Reply-To: <42309301.5020604@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <42309301.5020604@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <6290a1d52d05adf7c1bac42400d4a9cb@inlandlakes.org> On Mar 10, 2005, at 1:33 PM, Eric Harrison wrote: > /usr/sbin/tmpwatch --verbose --test 720 /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles This showed a whole ton of files that would be deleted. Who knew, a program (tmpwatch) written specifically for my situation. ;o) Thanks Eric, I'll run that after 3PM without the test & verbose. You da man, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From robark at gmail.com Thu Mar 10 19:53:14 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:53:14 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] How to discover latest packages installed by Yum Message-ID: I did yum update last week. Some of my clients are now sometimes getting disconnected from X. Here is what /var/log/messages says Mar 9 13:38:56 server gdm[23409]: gdm_slave_xioerror_handler: Fatal X error - Restarting ws133.ltsp:0 Is there any way to find out the lastest packages installed by yum? I could try reverting to the original packages and see if that fixes things. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From caldodge at fpcc.net Thu Mar 10 20:04:16 2005 From: caldodge at fpcc.net (Calvin Dodge) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 13:04:16 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] How to discover latest packages installed by Yum In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050310200416.GA25769@fpcc.net> On Thu, Mar 10, 2005 at 11:53:14AM -0800, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > I did yum update last week. Some of my clients are now sometimes > getting disconnected from X. Here is what /var/log/messages says > > Mar 9 13:38:56 server gdm[23409]: gdm_slave_xioerror_handler: Fatal X > error - Restarting ws133.ltsp:0 > > Is there any way to find out the lastest packages installed by yum? > I could try reverting to the original packages and see if that fixes > things. cat /var/log/yum.log Calvin -- Calvin Dodge Certified Linux Bigot (tm) http://www.caldodge.fpcc.net From robark at gmail.com Thu Mar 10 20:07:34 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 12:07:34 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] How to discover latest packages installed by Yum In-Reply-To: <20050310200416.GA25769@fpcc.net> References: <20050310200416.GA25769@fpcc.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 13:04:16 -0700, Calvin Dodge wrote: > On Thu, Mar 10, 2005 at 11:53:14AM -0800, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > I did yum update last week. Some of my clients are now sometimes > > getting disconnected from X. Here is what /var/log/messages says > > > > Mar 9 13:38:56 server gdm[23409]: gdm_slave_xioerror_handler: Fatal X > > error - Restarting ws133.ltsp:0 > > > > Is there any way to find out the lastest packages installed by yum? > > I could try reverting to the original packages and see if that fixes > > things. > > cat /var/log/yum.log > Unfortunately, this file on my server is empty. Nothing in it. Maybe because I rebooted the server since my last yum update. Is there any other way? Is there a dir where the downloaded packages are kept? Maybe I can sort them by date? -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From twinprism at athena.physics.isu.edu Thu Mar 10 20:13:27 2005 From: twinprism at athena.physics.isu.edu (Ben Nickell) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 13:13:27 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Help design a new elementary school! In-Reply-To: References: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E282050A20@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> Message-ID: <4230AA67.6060508@physics.isu.edu> Sharon Betts wrote: >Hi Joseph, > We just opened a new K-3 school with interactive white boards in each >classroom, enhanced audio in each room, wireless throughout. It is a >combination of thin clients and full teacher workstations. I would love >to expound on our planning and results either privately or onlist -- just >let me know. >Sharon > > Sharon, I am also helping design the wiring for a new facility. I for one would love the hear about your planning and results. Be Nickell From david at okgoodwill.org Thu Mar 10 20:25:42 2005 From: david at okgoodwill.org (David H. Barr) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 14:25:42 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] HP NetRaid (LSI MegaRaid) & invisible drives Message-ID: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E282119F3B@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> ... so today was to be the big day... I rsync'd from my test (4.0) disks up to current (4.2) overnight, and burned a fresh set today. Did a media check and had to re-burn disc2, so I've been burning most of the day in between help requests. I finally got to sit down and boot from CD, and what do you know... my NetRAID (AKA LSI MegaRaid) is detected, but no logical drive is detected. I booted sysResc and verified that I have a logical drive that should be presented to Fedora, but no dice. Knoppix also detects my drive. Any suggestions as to how I can get my logical drive recognized on the k12ltsp boot? Failing that, is there a way to DE-sync my .iso's back to 4.0 (had a successful install on the test run)? I'd hate to have to waste the bandwidth of downloading all four disks again, then get a valid install, THEN update all the packages to 4.2. I'm looking for a clean install here. Thanks in Advance, David H. Barr Sys / Net Admin Oklahoma Goodwill Industries 410 SW Third ST Oklahoma City, OK 73109 From twinprism at athena.physics.isu.edu Thu Mar 10 20:24:42 2005 From: twinprism at athena.physics.isu.edu (Ben Nickell) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 13:24:42 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] How to discover latest packages installed by Yum In-Reply-To: References: <20050310200416.GA25769@fpcc.net> Message-ID: <4230AD0A.2080201@physics.isu.edu> >>cat /var/log/yum.log >> >> >> > >Unfortunately, this file on my server is empty. Nothing in it. Maybe >because I rebooted the server since my last yum update. Is there any >other way? > >Is there a dir where the downloaded packages are kept? Maybe I can >sort them by date? > > > Try... cat /var/log/yum.log .1 or yum.log.2, etc. or if your logs are compressed. zcat /var/log/yum.log.1.gz to see all yum logs and their sizes... ls -l /var/log/yum* You could also try, 'ls -latr' (show the latest file last) is the various directories in /var/cache/yum. The subdirectories here should correspond with repositories configured in yum.conf. If you have done a 'yum clean' or something these could be wiped out, so this method isn't very reliable. On my system, the packages for the 'updates' repository is in /var/cache/yum/updates/packages HTH, Ben Nickell From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Mar 10 20:33:07 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 14:33:07 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP Management Message-ID: <00a901c525b0$5e825a00$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> What tool is everyone using to manage users and groups along with the setup derived from the Samba/LDAP script? I got a couple of recommendations from Chuck and David at LW but can't remember them :-) Looking for a nice gui, David I think the one you had looked pretty good with easy drag and drop stuff. Thanks -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From pvdw at criticalcontrol.com Thu Mar 10 20:32:12 2005 From: pvdw at criticalcontrol.com (Pete) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 13:32:12 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Network FAX system vs. 12 FAX numbers In-Reply-To: <1110403303.19247.50.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1110403303.19247.50.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <4230AECC.5020709@criticalcontrol.com> Take a look at vocpsystem.com as well. Peter Les Mikesell wrote: > On Wed, 2005-03-09 at 13:09, David H. Barr wrote: > > Around Wednesday, March 09, 2005 12:54 PM, > > aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org (mailto:aust_txv at ACCESS-K12.org) wrote: > > > Is anyone tackling network faxing ( Send and recieve ) with open > > > source > > > stuff ? I have 12 different fax lines between my schools. $$$$ > > HylaFAX is probably the best if you have a lot of outbound traffic and > multiple lines. For a mostly-inbound setup you could also use > the mgetty, mgetty-sendfax and mgetty-viewfax packages that you > can install with yum. Back when modems were more necessary I > sometimes set up a modem with mgetty on a linux box for remote access > with autodetect for text mode, ppp, or fax calls and would later find > that it had accepted spam faxes and emailed them to root. The hard > part of any inbound scheme is figuring out the right person to > receive them unless you designate someone to look at them all and > forward to the right place. > -- Peter Van den Wildenbergh Senior Linux Administrator CriticalControl Solutions Inc. Bow Valley Square II Suite 2400 205 - 5th Avenue SW Calgary, AB T2P 2V7 T (403) 705.7500 F (403) 705.7555 W www.criticalcontrol.com From caldodge at fpcc.net Thu Mar 10 20:42:45 2005 From: caldodge at fpcc.net (Calvin Dodge) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 13:42:45 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] How to discover latest packages installed by Yum In-Reply-To: References: <20050310200416.GA25769@fpcc.net> Message-ID: <20050310204245.GB25844@fpcc.net> On Thu, Mar 10, 2005 at 12:07:34PM -0800, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 13:04:16 -0700, Calvin Dodge wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 10, 2005 at 11:53:14AM -0800, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > > I did yum update last week. Some of my clients are now sometimes > > > getting disconnected from X. Here is what /var/log/messages says > > > > > > Mar 9 13:38:56 server gdm[23409]: gdm_slave_xioerror_handler: Fatal X > > > error - Restarting ws133.ltsp:0 > > > > > > Is there any way to find out the lastest packages installed by yum? > > > I could try reverting to the original packages and see if that fixes > > > things. > > > > cat /var/log/yum.log > > > > Unfortunately, this file on my server is empty. Nothing in it. Maybe > because I rebooted the server since my last yum update. Is there any > other way? Nope, the yum log file isn't wiped during reboot. Previous versions rotated the log every week. Current versions rotate it once it reaches a specified size. Is there a /var/log/yum.log.1? Are there _any_ yum logs in /var/log? If there's nothing in the current log file, and nothing in /var/log/yum.log.1, AND you're certain yum is active (try running it manually to look for error messages, and run "chkconfig --list yum" to verify that it's set to run automatically), then you have something weird going on. > Is there a dir where the downloaded packages are kept? Maybe I can > sort them by date? Yum can use multiple repositories, and will create a separate directory for each such repository. All of those dirs will be in /var/cache/yum. If you installed K12LTSP, you'll see repositories for "base" and "k12ltsp", and (possibly) "updates-released". Inside each repository you'll see a "packages" directory, and that directory contains any downloaded RPMS. Previous yum versions timestamped downloaded RPMs with the download date/time, while (I believe) current versions retain the timestamps which the RPMs had on the yum servers. Either way, sorting those repositories by time should give you an approximate install date. Calvin -- Calvin Dodge Certified Linux Bigot (tm) http://www.caldodge.fpcc.net From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Mar 10 20:36:59 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 20:36:59 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP Management Message-ID: <200503101934.j2AJYSl23087@downeast.net> Jim I use three but like ldapbrowser by far the best if you have java installed.the others ive tried are directory_administrator and lam ..i think there is gq as well but never tried it/..cjuck> What tool is everyone using to manage users and groups along with the > setup derived from the Samba/LDAP script? I got a couple of > recommendations from Chuck and David at LW but can't remember them :-) > Looking for a nice gui, David I think the one you had looked pretty good > with easy drag and drop stuff. > > Thanks > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From robark at gmail.com Thu Mar 10 21:13:32 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 13:13:32 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] How to discover latest packages installed by Yum In-Reply-To: <20050310204245.GB25844@fpcc.net> References: <20050310200416.GA25769@fpcc.net> <20050310204245.GB25844@fpcc.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 13:42:45 -0700, Calvin Dodge wrote: > On Thu, Mar 10, 2005 at 12:07:34PM -0800, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 13:04:16 -0700, Calvin Dodge wrote: > > > On Thu, Mar 10, 2005 at 11:53:14AM -0800, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > > > I did yum update last week. Some of my clients are now sometimes > > > > getting disconnected from X. Here is what /var/log/messages says > > > > > > > > Mar 9 13:38:56 server gdm[23409]: gdm_slave_xioerror_handler: Fatal X > > > > error - Restarting ws133.ltsp:0 > > > > > > > > Is there any way to find out the lastest packages installed by yum? > > > > I could try reverting to the original packages and see if that fixes > > > > things. > > > > > > cat /var/log/yum.log > > > > > > > Unfortunately, this file on my server is empty. Nothing in it. Maybe > > because I rebooted the server since my last yum update. Is there any > > other way? > > Nope, the yum log file isn't wiped during reboot. > > Previous versions rotated the log every week. Current versions rotate it > once it reaches a specified size. > > Is there a /var/log/yum.log.1? Are there _any_ yum logs in /var/log? Thank you. I got this from /var/log/yum.log.1 03/04/05 12:04:43 Dep Installed: gnome-vfs.i386 03/04/05 12:04:43 Dep Installed: gdk-pixbuf.i386 03/04/05 12:04:43 Dep Installed: cdda2wav.i386 03/04/05 12:04:43 Dep Installed: gdk-pixbuf-gnome.i386 03/04/05 12:04:43 Dep Installed: vim-enhanced.i386 03/04/05 12:04:43 Dep Installed: vim-minimal.i386 03/04/05 12:04:43 Dep Installed: cdrecord.i386 03/04/05 12:04:43 Dep Installed: cyrus-sasl-devel.i386 03/04/05 12:04:43 Dep Installed: gnome-vfs-devel.i386 03/04/05 12:04:43 Dep Installed: vim-common.i386 03/04/05 12:04:43 Dep Installed: sox.i386 03/04/05 12:04:43 Dep Installed: cyrus-sasl.i386 03/04/05 12:04:43 Dep Installed: cyrus-sasl-md5.i386 03/04/05 12:04:43 Dep Installed: gnome-vfs2.i386 03/04/05 12:04:43 Dep Installed: cyrus-sasl-plain.i386 03/04/05 12:04:43 Dep Installed: gnome-vfs2-devel.i386 03/04/05 12:04:43 Dep Installed: gdk-pixbuf-devel.i386 03/04/05 12:04:43 Dep Installed: mkisofs.i386 Could any of these packages screw up X? -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Mar 10 21:21:48 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 15:21:48 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP Management In-Reply-To: <200503101934.j2AJYSl23087@downeast.net> Message-ID: <00ab01c525b7$2b8ab280$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Jim I use three but like ldapbrowser by far the best if you > have java installed.the Where would I obtain ldapbrowser from? -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Mar 10 21:26:27 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 15:26:27 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP Management In-Reply-To: <00a901c525b0$5e825a00$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <00ac01c525b7$d198c4a0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > What tool is everyone using to manage users and groups along > with the setup derived from the Samba/LDAP script? I got a > couple of recommendations from Chuck and David at LW but > can't remember them :-) Looking for a nice gui, David I think > the one you had looked pretty good with easy drag and drop stuff. Has anyone tried the tool from IdealX? http://www.idealx.org/prj/imc/samba-console.html I wonder if this would be a good idea since the scripts are from IdealX? -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From glidr_greg at yahoo.com Thu Mar 10 22:12:39 2005 From: glidr_greg at yahoo.com (Greg T.) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 14:12:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] error in smbldap-adduser Message-ID: <20050310221239.38114.qmail@web54409.mail.yahoo.com> I'm trying (once again) to build a PDC using the smbldap-installer script version 1.2. When I ran the script, it seemed odd that the files in /etc/smbldap-tools weren't touched in any way. I didn't think much of it, and hand modified them according to the website where I got the script. But now, it seems like any process that is supposed to read those config files is not. For example: [root at zeus ~]# smbldap-useradd -amP gregor Use of uninitialized value in substitution (s///) at /usr/sbin/smbldap-useradd line 202, line 283. Use of uninitialized value in string at /usr/sbin/smbldap-useradd line 275, line 283. failed to add entry: homedirectory: value #0 invalid per syntax at /usr/sbin/smbldap-useradd line 291, line 283. User "gregor" already member of the group "513". Use of uninitialized value in -e at /usr/sbin/smbldap-useradd line 309, line 283. Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/sbin/smbldap-useradd line 310, line 283. Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/sbin/smbldap-useradd line 311, line 283. Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/sbin/smbldap-useradd line 312, line 283. Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/sbin/smbldap-useradd line 313, line 283. failed to add entry: No such object at /usr/sbin/smbldap-useradd line 393, line 283. smbldap-useradd line 202: $userHomeeDirectory=~s/\/\//\//; line 275: 'homeDirectory' => "$userHomeDirectory", line 309: if ( !(-e $userHomeDirectory) ) { etc... Here is the contents of /etc/smbldap-tools/smbldap.conf: # $Source: /opt/cvs/samba/smbldap-tools/smbldap.conf,v $ # $Id: smbldap.conf,v 1.17 2005/01/29 15:00:54 jtournier Exp $ # # smbldap-tools.conf : Q & D configuration file for smbldap-tools # This code was developped by IDEALX (http://IDEALX.org/) and # contributors (their names can be found in the CONTRIBUTORS file). # # Copyright (C) 2001-2002 IDEALX # # This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or # modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License # as published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 # of the License, or (at your option) any later version. # # This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, # but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of # MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the # GNU General Public License for more details. # # You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License # along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software # Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place - Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111-1307, # USA. # Purpose : # . be the configuration file for all smbldap-tools scripts ############################################################################## # # General Configuration # ############################################################################## # UID and GID starting at: UID_START="1000" GID_START="1000" # Put your own SID # to obtain this number do: net getlocalsid SID="S-1-5-21-1366251834-1281385165-257883880" ############################################################################## # # LDAP Configuration # ############################################################################## # Notes: to use to dual ldap servers backend for Samba, you must patch # Samba with the dual-head patch from IDEALX. If not using this patch # just use the same server for slaveLDAP and masterLDAP. # Those two servers declarations can also be used when you have # . one master LDAP server where all writing operations must be done # . one slave LDAP server where all reading operations must be done # (typically a replication directory) # Ex: slaveLDAP=127.0.0.1 slaveLDAP="127.0.0.1" slavePort="389" # Master LDAP : needed for write operations # Ex: masterLDAP=127.0.0.1 masterLDAP="127.0.0.1" masterPort="389" # Use TLS for LDAP # If set to 1, this option will use start_tls for connection # (you should also used the port 389) ldapTLS="0" # How to verify the server's certificate (none, optional or require) # see "man Net::LDAP" in start_tls section for more details verify="require" # CA certificate # see "man Net::LDAP" in start_tls section for more details cafile="/etc/smbldap-tools/ca.pem" # certificate to use to connect to the ldap server # see "man Net::LDAP" in start_tls section for more details clientcert="/etc/smbldap-tools/smbldap-tools.pem" # key certificate to use to connect to the ldap server # see "man Net::LDAP" in start_tls section for more details clientkey="/etc/smbldap-tools/smbldap-tools.key" # LDAP Suffix # Ex: suffix=dc=IDEALX,dc=ORG suffix="dc=mtolympus,dc=org" # Where are stored Users # Ex: usersdn="ou=Users,dc=IDEALX,dc=ORG" usersdn="ou=Users,${suffix}" # Where are stored Computers # Ex: computersdn="ou=Computers,dc=IDEALX,dc=ORG" computersdn="ou=Computers,${suffix}" # Where are stored Groups # Ex groupsdn="ou=Groups,dc=IDEALX,dc=ORG" groupsdn="ou=Groups,${suffix}" # Where are stored Idmap entries (used if samba is a domain member server) # Ex groupsdn="ou=Idmap,dc=IDEALX,dc=ORG" idmapdn="ou=Idmap,${suffix}" # Where to store next uidNumber and gidNumber available sambaUnixIdPooldn="sambaDomainName=SMB3,${suffix}" # Default scope Used scope="sub" # Unix password encryption (CRYPT, MD5, SMD5, SSHA, SHA, CLEARTEXT) hash_encrypt="SSHA" # if hash_encrypt is set to CRYPT, you may set a salt format. # default is "%s", but many systems will generate MD5 hashed # passwords if you use "$1$%.8s". This parameter is optional! crypt_salt_format="%s" ############################################################################## # # Unix Accounts Configuration # ############################################################################## # Login defs # Default Login Shell # Ex: userLoginShell="/bin/bash" userLoginShell="/bin/bash" # Home directory # Ex: userHome="/home/%U" userHomePrefix="/home/" # Gecos userGecos="System User" # Default User (POSIX and Samba) GID defaultUserGid="513" # Default Computer (Samba) GID defaultComputerGid="553" # Skel dir skeletonDir="/etc/skel" # Default password validation time (time in days) Comment the next line if # you don't want password to be enable for defaultMaxPasswordAge days (be # careful to the sambaPwdMustChange attribute's value) defaultMaxPasswordAge="999" ############################################################################## # # SAMBA Configuration # ############################################################################## # The UNC path to home drives location (%U username substitution) # Ex: \\My-PDC-netbios-name\homes\%U # Just set it to a null string if you want to use the smb.conf 'logon home' # directive and/or disable roaming profiles userSmbHome="\\zeus\homes\%U" # The UNC path to profiles locations (%U username substitution) # Ex: \\My-PDC-netbios-name\profiles\%U # Just set it to a null string if you want to use the smb.conf 'logon path' # directive and/or disable roaming profiles userProfile="\\zeus\profiles\%U" # The default Home Drive Letter mapping # (will be automatically mapped at logon time if home directory exist) # Ex: H: for H: userHomeDrive="Z:" # The default user netlogon script name (%U username substitution) # if not used, will be automatically username.cmd # make sure script file is edited under dos # Ex: %U.cmd # userScript="startup.cmd" # make sure script file is edited under dos userScript="startup.bat" # Domain appended to the users "mail"-attribute # when smbldap-useradd -M is used mailDomain="mtolympus.org" ############################################################################## # # SMBLDAP-TOOLS Configuration (default are ok for a RedHat) # ############################################################################## # Allows not to use smbpasswd (if with_smbpasswd == 0 in smbldap_conf.pm) but # prefer Crypt::SmbHash library with_smbpasswd="0" smbpasswd="/usr/bin/smbpasswd" # Allows not to use slappasswd (if with_slappasswd == 0 in smbldap_conf.pm) # but prefer Crypt:: libraries with_slappasswd="0" slappasswd="/usr/sbin/slappasswd" ************************************* I'm just not good enough to figure out why this file isn't being applied to smbldap-useradd. Can someone point me in the correct direction? Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From david at okgoodwill.org Thu Mar 10 22:17:35 2005 From: david at okgoodwill.org (David H. Barr) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:17:35 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] HP NetRaid (LSI MegaRaid) & invisible drives Message-ID: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E282050A22@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> Around Thursday, March 10, 2005 2:26 PM, David H. Barr () wrote: > boot from CD, and what do you know... my NetRAID (AKA LSI MegaRaid) > is detected, but no logical drive is detected. I booted sysResc and > verified that I have a logical drive that should be presented to > Fedora, but no dice. So it appears that the issue is with the megaraid_mbox driver. Apparently (from what I've gathered) FC3 and HP NetRaids don't play well together. Anyone on the Fedora lists forward this for me? The actual part is known as "HP NetRAID 1si" / "LSI MegaRAID Express 200" / "Dell PERC2/SE", and apparently this was at one time "Bug 135484" for Fedora Core 3... help? Thanks Again, -dhbarr. From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Mar 10 22:13:31 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 22:13:31 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP Management Message-ID: <200503102111.j2ALB0L07842@downeast.net> http://www-unix.mcs.anl.gov/~gawor/ldap/download.html Browser282b2.tar.gz works in windows and linux..prob apple too chuck > > Jim I use three but like ldapbrowser by far the best if you > > have java installed.the > > Where would I obtain ldapbrowser from? > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Thu Mar 10 22:20:50 2005 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 14:20:50 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] HP NetRaid (LSI MegaRaid) & invisible drives In-Reply-To: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E282050A22@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> References: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E282050A22@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> Message-ID: <1110493250.13058.7.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> On Thu, 2005-03-10 at 16:17 -0600, David H. Barr wrote: > Around Thursday, March 10, 2005 2:26 PM, > David H. Barr () wrote: > > > boot from CD, and what do you know... my NetRAID (AKA LSI MegaRaid) > > is detected, but no logical drive is detected. I booted sysResc and > > verified that I have a logical drive that should be presented to > > Fedora, but no dice. > > So it appears that the issue is with the megaraid_mbox driver. > Apparently (from what I've gathered) FC3 and HP NetRaids don't play > well together. Anyone on the Fedora lists forward this for me? The > actual part is known as "HP NetRAID 1si" / "LSI MegaRAID Express > 200" / "Dell PERC2/SE", and apparently this was at one time "Bug > 135484" for Fedora Core 3... help? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/beta/show_bug.cgi?id=138590 You might try the driver disk mentioned in comment #22. -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Mar 10 22:15:41 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 22:15:41 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP Management Message-ID: <200503102113.j2ALDAL08086@downeast.net> never tried it yet..try diradmin or directory_administrator too,,but it seems like birdy overload to me..8~) > > What tool is everyone using to manage users and groups along > > with the setup derived from the Samba/LDAP script? I got a > > couple of recommendations from Chuck and David at LW but > > can't remember them :-) Looking for a nice gui, David I think > > the one you had looked pretty good with easy drag and drop stuff. > > Has anyone tried the tool from IdealX? > > http://www.idealx.org/prj/imc/samba-console.html > > I wonder if this would be a good idea since the scripts are from IdealX? > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology try ldapbrowser..directory admins > Department, and is believed to be clean. > never.. tried it yet > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Mar 10 22:16:44 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 22:16:44 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP Management Message-ID: <200503102114.j2ALEDL08244@downeast.net> btw if you try diradmin get it from dags site..or the icons might gibe you grief,, > > What tool is everyone using to manage users and groups along > > with the setup derived from the Samba/LDAP script? I got a > > couple of recommendations from Chuck and David at LW but > > can't remember them :-) Looking for a nice gui, David I think > > the one you had looked pretty good with easy drag and drop stuff. > > Has anyone tried the tool from IdealX? > > http://www.idealx.org/prj/imc/samba-console.html > > I wonder if this would be a good idea since the scripts are from IdealX? > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From ghenry at suretecsystems.com Thu Mar 10 22:28:15 2005 From: ghenry at suretecsystems.com (Gavin Henry) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 22:28:15 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP Management In-Reply-To: <200503101934.j2AJYSl23087@downeast.net> References: <200503101934.j2AJYSl23087@downeast.net> Message-ID: <200503102228.15778.ghenry@suretecsystems.com> On Thursday 10 Mar 2005 20:36, cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > Jim I use three but like ldapbrowser by far the best if you have java > installed.the others ive tried are directory_administrator and lam ..i > think there is gq as well but never tried it/..cjuck> > > What tool is everyone using to manage users and groups along with the > For browsing: http://pegacat.com/jxplorer/ For mass user creation: http://luma.sourceforge.net/ For anything else: http://ldap.perl.org/ -- Kind Regards, Gavin Henry. Managing Director. T +44 (0) 1224 279484 M +44 (0) 7930 323266 F +44 (0) 1224 742001 E ghenry at suretecsystems.com Open Source. Open Solutions(tm). http://www.suretecsystems.com/ From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Thu Mar 10 23:16:27 2005 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:16:27 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Managing a Samba PDC Message-ID: <4230D54B.30104@honeygroveisd.net> Hello all, All the discussion of the new smbldap script flying around lately has triggered a few questions in my disheveled mind. I run a 700+ user NT domain, with one PDC and 3 BDCs helping to distribute the authentication load. If I built a Samba PDC would the BDCs still sync up with it, or would I have to turn them into just plain servers? Could I still use the NT User Manager for Domains application for user creation and maintenance, or would I need to retrain my staff on something else? If I ran this script on my K12LTSP server, would it automatically start accepting the existing Domain logons and passwords transparently, or is there more to it than that? I've got my users "Home" folders spread out across three servers, one for HS, one for MS, and one for ES for fault tolerance. Initially these were three separate LANs and when we connected them I just left the existing scheme in place. Can the Samba PDC implementation handle that, or do I have to change the way I do things? Forgive me if these are silly questions, but I'm an NT guy trying to find his way in the Linux world. -- C-ya, Mark ____ "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence then, is not an act, but a habit." -- Aristotle From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Mar 11 00:14:24 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 19:14:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP Management In-Reply-To: <00a901c525b0$5e825a00$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <00a901c525b0$5e825a00$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, March 10, 2005 at 3:33 PM +0000 wrote: >What tool is everyone using to manage users and groups along with the >setup derived from the Samba/LDAP script? I got a couple of >recommendations from Chuck and David at LW but can't remember them :-) >Looking for a nice gui, David I think the one you had looked pretty good >with easy drag and drop stuff. > >Thanks I use(d) (I say used because I haven't used it in about a year since I now do everything on the command line....it's faster)...Directory Administrator. But! If you install it use the RPM's from DAG's site as other wise you may have "icon trouble"....and get various error messages. It's pretty slick and easy to use. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Mar 11 00:14:24 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 19:14:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP Management In-Reply-To: <00a901c525b0$5e825a00$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <00a901c525b0$5e825a00$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, March 10, 2005 at 3:33 PM +0000 wrote: >What tool is everyone using to manage users and groups along with the >setup derived from the Samba/LDAP script? I got a couple of >recommendations from Chuck and David at LW but can't remember them :-) >Looking for a nice gui, David I think the one you had looked pretty good >with easy drag and drop stuff. > >Thanks I use(d) (I say used because I haven't used it in about a year since I now do everything on the command line....it's faster)...Directory Administrator. But! If you install it use the RPM's from DAG's site as other wise you may have "icon trouble"....and get various error messages. It's pretty slick and easy to use. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Fri Mar 11 00:14:48 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:14:48 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Grub Message-ID: <4230E2F8.9010503@elp.rr.com> I finally got my Inspiron 6000 to dual boot but I'm not happy with the timer in the new version of Grub that is in K12LTSP 4.2.0. The four seconds, I think, to press a key has caused me to miss the change several times when I wanted to go into Linux mode. The bigest problem has been someone coming up and talking to me during start up. Is there a way I can increase the time to 8 or 10 seconds? Thanks Pat From luis.montes at cox.net Fri Mar 11 01:10:05 2005 From: luis.montes at cox.net (Luis Montes) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:10:05 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Grub In-Reply-To: <4230E2F8.9010503@elp.rr.com> References: <4230E2F8.9010503@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <4230EFED.1000303@cox.net> John P. Conlon wrote: > I finally got my Inspiron 6000 to dual boot but I'm not happy with the > timer in the new version of Grub that is in K12LTSP 4.2.0. The four > seconds, I think, to press a key has caused me to miss the change > several times when I wanted to go into Linux mode. The bigest problem > has been someone coming up and talking to me during start up. Is > there a way I can increase the time to 8 or 10 seconds? > Thanks > Pat > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > Sure, just edit: /boot/grub/grub.conf From mark at msdigitaldzines.com Fri Mar 11 00:50:38 2005 From: mark at msdigitaldzines.com (Mark Sarria) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:50:38 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP Management References: <00a901c525b0$5e825a00$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <003501c525d4$59560030$6501a8c0@DigitalDZines1> Hi Dan you use the command line right, what is the proper command to allow users to change thier passwords at first login? thanks --mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Trask" To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP Management "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, March 10, 2005 at 3:33 PM +0000 wrote: >What tool is everyone using to manage users and groups along with the >setup derived from the Samba/LDAP script? I got a couple of >recommendations from Chuck and David at LW but can't remember them :-) >Looking for a nice gui, David I think the one you had looked pretty good >with easy drag and drop stuff. > >Thanks I use(d) (I say used because I haven't used it in about a year since I now do everything on the command line....it's faster)...Directory Administrator. But! If you install it use the RPM's from DAG's site as other wise you may have "icon trouble"....and get various error messages. It's pretty slick and easy to use. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From phealy at dsusd.k12.ca.us Fri Mar 11 00:58:46 2005 From: phealy at dsusd.k12.ca.us (Patrick Healy) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:58:46 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Starting work on 4.2.1 Message-ID: <1110502726.20783.8.camel@crux> How about mplayer (while it's still around): http://www.mplayerhq.hu/ I use the mplayerplug-in for instructional video's in the firefox browser http://mplayerplug-in.sourceforge.net/ but I don't know if the licensing will work for K12LTSP. Just a thought. -- Pat Healy On Sun, 2005-03-06 at 22:59, Eric Harrison wrote: > What is new that should be considered for inclusion? -- Patrick Healy Palm Desert High School 43-570 Phyllis Jackson Lane Palm Desert, CA 92260 760-862-4300 x2303 From hick518 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 11 01:33:05 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:33:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Network FAX system vs. 12 FAX numbers In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050311013305.50256.qmail@web41622.mail.yahoo.com> --- Les Mikesell wrote: > Do you know if there are pure-software fax-over-voip > programs so > you don't have to connect to a real fax machine? > When I was > using hylafax years ago the modems seemed to be the > weakest > link in the concept and sometimes would not quite > work with > certain fax machines at the other end. It would be > nice if > a service company handled that part of the problem > for you. I don't know about that. In my setup, the modems that you are referring to are replaced by a Linksys RT31P2 router (it came with my Vonage service). It is a normal wired router with firewalling capabilities, but it has the following ports: 1 "internet" port, 3 ethernet switch ports, and 2 phone ports. The setup for the phone ports is controlled remotely by Vonage. I cannot access that screen in the router's setup utility. I've only had the service for a couple of months now, but it seems pretty solid. I know that if I was running a business and needed multiple phone and fax lines, I'd definitely use VOIP. But I'm not familiar with systems like hylafax, so I can't say for sure that a Vonage-like system would be better. I just know that it's a good way to get inexpensive phone/fax service. -Rob __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From joseph.bishay at gmail.com Fri Mar 11 03:36:34 2005 From: joseph.bishay at gmail.com (The Prof) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 22:36:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Help design a new elementary school! In-Reply-To: <4230AA67.6060508@physics.isu.edu> References: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E282050A20@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> <4230AA67.6060508@physics.isu.edu> Message-ID: Hello, Thanks to everyone who has replied so far - I've taken notes for some good points. In terms of specific questions people have been asking, we are building an entirely new structure, not renovating an old one. And the design is a typical school - 3 floors, fixed-size classrooms (average 800 sq feet) for each grade, art, library, etc. To summarize the points so far: 1) lots of conduits for pulling cables now and in the future! 2) wiring for ceiling projectors in each classroom 3) planning for wireless (what does this mean anyway? thinner walls?) (The other options, such as smart boards, etc, are a bit beyond our budget, but I doubt they affect anything in the design phase.) There was some discussion about the IDFs - I'm not sure what that stands for, but I'm assuming that it refers to where all the servers are. We currently don't have anything like that in our school. We just have the tower for the lab sitting in a corner of the lab room. Is that the best approach? I thought a server room was mainly for rack-mounted servers. Along those lines, are there any comments or suggestions about how to distribute the thin-clients around the school? Our location doesn't have a specific curriculum for computers, so it is up to us to decide. What are the pros vs. cons of a 'computer lab' where all the machines are situated, vs. spreading them out in all the classrooms? As well, during how first wiring phase, how many drops should be going to each classroom? I've heard numbers as high as 4 or 5. Thanks, Joseph On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 13:13:27 -0700, Ben Nickell wrote: > Sharon Betts wrote: > > >Hi Joseph, > > We just opened a new K-3 school with interactive white boards in each > >classroom, enhanced audio in each room, wireless throughout. It is a > >combination of thin clients and full teacher workstations. I would love > >to expound on our planning and results either privately or onlist -- just > >let me know. > >Sharon > > > > > > Sharon, > > I am also helping design the wiring for a new facility. I for one > would love the hear about your planning and results. > > Be Nickell > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From tuxnician at execulink.com Fri Mar 11 03:48:26 2005 From: tuxnician at execulink.com (Jason) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 22:48:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound Message-ID: <4231150A.2020303@execulink.com> I now have the proper sound driver for some of my LTSP clients but I don't know how to test to see if it works. If I make changes in the preferences (ie sound on login) does that affect any computer I login to? Thanks, Jason From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Mar 11 04:01:35 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 20:01:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Deleting Swap Files In-Reply-To: <6290a1d52d05adf7c1bac42400d4a9cb@inlandlakes.org> References: <42309301.5020604@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <6290a1d52d05adf7c1bac42400d4a9cb@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 10 Mar 2005, Shawn Powers wrote: > On Mar 10, 2005, at 1:33 PM, Eric Harrison wrote: >> /usr/sbin/tmpwatch --verbose --test 720 /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles > > This showed a whole ton of files that would be deleted. Who knew, a program > (tmpwatch) written specifically for my situation. ;o) > > Thanks Eric, I'll run that after 3PM without the test & verbose. > > You da man, > -Shawn This is slightly riskier/trickier than I had hoped. I enabled USE_NFS_SWAP and booted a test box with 16M of ram. I let it set for an hour and then ran tmpwatch telling it to delete used files over an hour old. It deleted the swap file, causing the terminal to crash. It had to be power-cycled before it would start X. I could always cause a problem by using touch to muck with the date stamps: touch -d "01/01/01 01:01:01" /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles/192.168.0.253.swap The fuser command doesn't see that the file is open, as such adding the --fuser flag to tmpwatch does not help. The most conservative setting I can come up with is: /usr/sbin/tmpwatch --ctime --atime --mtime 720 /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles/ This should only cause a problem if: * your server's clock is suddenly set more than a month in the future, and is not fixed before the /etc/cron.daily/ scripts run or * you have a terminal that has been running for more than a month, never used swap, had the swap file deleted, and then need some swap space or * some other problem I have not thought of yet In any case this should be fairly rare. But then so is running out of server space because of unused swap files. There is probably a way to work-around this in any case. Maybe something as simple as: for terminal in `showmount | grep -v '/'` do if [ -f /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles/${terminal}.swap ] then touch /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles/${terminal}.swap fi done /usr/sbin/tmpwatch --ctime --atime --mtime 720 /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles/ I'm going to sleep on it before I build a test package. In the meantime, hopefully someone will come up with a bright idea on how to do this safely ;-) -Eric From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Fri Mar 11 10:44:07 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 10:44:07 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP Management References: <00a901c525b0$5e825a00$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <00bd01c52627$40ceec90$65c8a8c0@brianwork> Jim Kronebusch wrote: > What tool is everyone using to manage users and groups along with the > setup derived from the Samba/LDAP script? I got a couple of > recommendations from Chuck and David at LW but can't remember them :-) > Looking for a nice gui, David I think the one you had looked pretty > good with easy drag and drop stuff. > > Thanks I have started looking at Samba-Console and IMC from Idealx and it's really good. I had a few issues getting it working but now I have it's great. Give's you loads of control and you have access to all the important stuff. I use the bulk add scripts at the cli I also use JXplorer beacuse I use a windows machine to admin the server (head hung in shame) If anyone would like rpm's for IMC built agains't Fedora Core 3 let me know and I'll mail them over. Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Fri Mar 11 10:48:32 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 10:48:32 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Managing a Samba PDC References: <4230D54B.30104@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <00c601c52627$de3ac260$65c8a8c0@brianwork> Mark Cockrell wrote: > Hello all, > All the discussion of the new smbldap script flying around lately > has triggered a few questions in my disheveled mind. I run a 700+ > user NT domain, with one PDC and 3 BDCs helping to distribute the > authentication load. If I built a Samba PDC would the BDCs still sync > up with it, or would I have to turn them into just plain servers? > Could I still use the NT User Manager for Domains application for user > creation and maintenance, or would I need to retrain my staff on > something else? If I ran this script on my K12LTSP server, would it > automatically start accepting the existing Domain logons and passwords > transparently, or is there more to it than that? I've got my users > "Home" folders spread out across three servers, one for HS, one for > MS, and one for ES for fault tolerance. Initially these were three > separate LANs and when we connected them I just left the existing > scheme in place. Can the Samba PDC implementation handle that, or do > I have to change the way I do things? Forgive me if these are silly > questions, but I'm an NT guy trying to find his way in the Linux > world. I'd say have a read of the "Samba by Example" book, it's available on line from the Samba website or if like me you like to read paper get the book from Amazon or somewhere. It has a really good chapter about migrating to Samba 3 PDC from NT4. I seem to remember that they say you should use a LDAP backend which is quite easy to setup via the smbldap-installer script. You should be able to use the existing tools to admin the server or have a look at the thread about LDAP management tools. Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Fri Mar 11 10:49:43 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 10:49:43 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] log off users via ssh? SOLUTION FOUND References: <008c01c5258c$e7b9a680$b39b060a@winonacotter.org><009301c52591$689e5620$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <00d301c52628$08ee4ef0$65c8a8c0@brianwork> Greg Hovland wrote: >> VNC server I think is installed by default on K12LTSP (correct me if >> I'm >> wrong). Try to download a viewer for your platform from here >> http://www.realvnc.com/products/free/4.1/download.html >> When run just enter the external IP of your server and it should >> bring you to a login screen just like you were in the lab. Log in >> and run TeacherTool to kill user processes. > > > This approach works! Thank you to the group! > > Greg Hovland > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see Sorry I miss understood, not firing on all cylinders at the mo, nasty head cold !!! Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From perodim at on.net.mk Fri Mar 11 11:25:01 2005 From: perodim at on.net.mk (Petar Dimitrijevic) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 12:25:01 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Setting quotas and remote X win connection from MS Windows Message-ID: <4231800D.70509@on.net.mk> Thanks for the sugestion. I've enabled the VNC server but all I get on the other side is black screen. Any ideas ? Peter >Or you could install VNC on the server, set it to launch via xinetd (it may do this automatically when you install it, or you may have to set it up by hand, which isn't >too hard), and then just use a VNC client on your desktop to connect to the server. You'll get the same login screen as the thin clients. >Petre >Rob Owens wrote: > For remote x sessions from windows, you can install > Cygwin and Cygwin/X. They are a free download. Once > installed, you can install openssh into Cygwin and use > that to connect to the server, or I guess you could > use any other ssh client (but I've only tried > openssh). Once logged into the server, you should be > able to launch any gui program you want. There's a > command to get the entire linux desktop to display on > your Windows machine, but I can't remember it. > > -Rob > > --- Petar Dimitrijevic wrote: > >> Hi to all, >> >> I installed KLTSP 4.2.0 on a server at work, few >> weeks ago. Samba is configured as Domain Server with the excellent >> smbdlap script. The logins are managed through Samba/LDAP combination >> and the username, passwords and home directories are all the same both >> for Windows and Linux machines. >> >> The questions would be: >> 1. My co-workers are often saving large files on >> their desktop or in their My Documents folder. Is there any way that >> quotas can be set ? >> >> 2. The server has no monitor or input devices >> attached to it. I manage it through SSH, but only in text mode. Is there any >> way I can connect to the remote X windows session from Windows ? and how >> can I do that from Linux ? >> >> Best regards, >> Petar Dimitrijevic >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From hick518 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 11 11:41:40 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 03:41:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Starting work on 4.2.1 In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050311114140.37246.qmail@web41613.mail.yahoo.com> --- Patrick Healy wrote: > How about mplayer (while it's still around): > Is mplayer on its way out or something? -Rob __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From hick518 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 11 11:50:27 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 03:50:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Help design a new elementary school! In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050311115027.4140.qmail@web41603.mail.yahoo.com> Regarding the conduit: Every bend you put in conduit makes it harder to pull wires through it -- especially if there are a lot of wires in a single conduit. I would try to eliminate all bends by terminating all your straight conduit runs in some sort of access panel. The access panel will serve as your "information highway intersection". If you need to have a blind bend somewhere (I mean a bend that is inaccessible), I would definitely try to limit it to one. You might want to see if there are any regulations as to how many wires you are allowed to run through a certain size conduit. I know there are rules for power wiring, but I doubt there are any for low-power stuff like ethernet, etc. Still, you should check into it so you know how much conduit you should install. -Rob --- The Prof wrote: > Hello, > > Thanks to everyone who has replied so far - I've > taken notes for some > good points. In terms of specific questions people > have been asking, > we are building an entirely new structure, not > renovating an old one. > And the design is a typical school - 3 floors, > fixed-size classrooms > (average 800 sq feet) for each grade, art, library, > etc. > > To summarize the points so far: > 1) lots of conduits for pulling cables now and in > the future! > 2) wiring for ceiling projectors in each classroom > 3) planning for wireless (what does this mean > anyway? thinner walls?) > > (The other options, such as smart boards, etc, are a > bit beyond our > budget, but I doubt they affect anything in the > design phase.) > > There was some discussion about the IDFs - I'm not > sure what that > stands for, but I'm assuming that it refers to where > all the servers > are. We currently don't have anything like that in > our school. We > just have the tower for the lab sitting in a corner > of the lab room. > Is that the best approach? I thought a server room > was mainly for > rack-mounted servers. > > Along those lines, are there any comments or > suggestions about how to > distribute the thin-clients around the school? Our > location doesn't > have a specific curriculum for computers, so it is > up to us to decide. > What are the pros vs. cons of a 'computer lab' where > all the machines > are situated, vs. spreading them out in all the > classrooms? As well, > during how first wiring phase, how many drops should > be going to each > classroom? I've heard numbers as high as 4 or 5. > > Thanks, > Joseph > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Sign up for Fantasy Baseball. http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/ From hick518 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 11 11:54:49 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 03:54:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] New Installation Questions In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050311115449.3502.qmail@web41608.mail.yahoo.com> What files need to be "told" to use kdm? (I'm currently using gdm). Thanks -Rob --- cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > lots of us are usiong kdm and icewmm for dm and > wm..i like kdm a lot for > minimizing options..need help..holler..chuck> Hi > all, > > > > I recently downloaded the 4.2.0 version of K12LTSP > and managed to install > and able to get > a couple of old IBM Aptivas to function as clients. > I would like, for one, > to "narrow" the > choices for the students at startup: meaning I would > like to make Xfce as > the default > session instead of GNOME and reduce the list of > available session that they > can choose > from to only a couple (IceWM and Xfce). I tried the > suggestions given at > http://k12ltsp.howtoz.net/k12ltsp/icewm.htm but no > joy. > > > > Can this be done or am I wanting too much? > > > > Martisha > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From glidr_greg at yahoo.com Fri Mar 11 12:09:36 2005 From: glidr_greg at yahoo.com (Greg T.) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 04:09:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] error in smbldap-useradd (SOLUTION FOUND) Message-ID: <20050311120937.9668.qmail@web54407.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 14:12:39 -0800 (PST) From: "Greg T." Subject: [K12OSN] error in smbldap-adduser To: k12osn at redhat.com Message-ID: <20050310221239.38114.qmail at web54409.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm trying (once again) to build a PDC using the smbldap-installer script version 1.2. When I ran the script, it seemed odd that the files in /etc/smbldap-tools weren't touched in any way. I didn't think much of it, and hand modified them according to the website where I got the script. But now, it seems like any process that is supposed to read those config files is not. It seems that yum installed version 8.7 of smbldap-tools in the wrong place. For example: Instead of putting config files in /opt/IDEALX/, yum installed them in /etc/smbldap-tools, the place they were installed prior to 8.6. I uninstalled 8.7 smbldap-tools, and installed the 8.6 version included with the smbldap-installer package, and reran the installer script. Eureka! It worked! Greg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From cliebow at downeast.net Fri Mar 11 12:05:57 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 12:05:57 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Managing a Samba PDC Message-ID: <200503111103.j2BB3Lg09712@downeast.net> prob easiest to take the names and build a new smbldap pdc and bdc.where are your homedirs..in our case i havnt yet duplicated some of the nt functionality in ldap as far as authrnticating thru firewall adn multiserver homedirs..itl take about 10 minutes to build a new authentication from smbldap if you dont have exising structures that wil screw you up...chuck > Hello all, > All the discussion of the new smbldap script flying around lately > has triggered a few questions in my disheveled mind. I run a 700+ user > NT domain, with one PDC and 3 BDCs helping to distribute the > authentication load. If I built a Samba PDC would the BDCs still sync > up with it, or would I have to turn them into just plain servers? Could > I still use the NT User Manager for Domains application for user > creation and maintenance, or would I need to retrain my staff on > something else? If I ran this script on my K12LTSP server, would it > automatically start accepting the existing Domain logons and passwords > transparently, or is there more to it than that? I've got my users > "Home" folders spread out across three servers, one for HS, one for MS, > and one for ES for fault tolerance. Initially these were three separate > LANs and when we connected them I just left the existing scheme in > place. Can the Samba PDC implementation handle that, or do I have to > change the way I do things? Forgive me if these are silly questions, but > I'm an NT guy trying to find his way in the Linux world. > > -- > > C-ya, > Mark > ____ > "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence then, is not an act, but a habit." -- Aristotle > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From les at futuresource.com Fri Mar 11 13:27:49 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 07:27:49 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Setting quotas and remote X win connection from MS Windows In-Reply-To: <4231800D.70509@on.net.mk> References: <4231800D.70509@on.net.mk> Message-ID: <1110547669.17460.2.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2005-03-11 at 05:25, Petar Dimitrijevic wrote: > Thanks for the sugestion. I've enabled the VNC server but all I get on > the other side is black screen. > > Any ideas ? VNC will launch a new X session so you also have to have XDMCP enabled (run gmdconfig). Both should have been enabled by default if you picked the k12ltsp server package during the system install. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Mar 11 14:14:08 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 09:14:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Managing a Samba PDC In-Reply-To: <200503111103.j2BB3Lg09712@downeast.net> References: <200503111103.j2BB3Lg09712@downeast.net> Message-ID: Ok...first issue...you have 4 machines handling authentication and you ONLY have 700 users? I have one server and 600 users and don't even come REMOTELY close to needing another server. Did some M$ vendor sell you on this idea? I'm all for backups and BDC's, but there's a point where it's overkill. Anyway...you can easily build a Samba/LDAP server to handle what you're doing now. I use mine as my PDC serving roaming profiles for Win XP and also auth'ing my Terminal server which is a member of the domain. It also handles all the auth'ing on the Linux side and houses the users home dirs that are then exported to the various servers via NFS. The biggest issue is about users. What I normally do....I wait until summer...blow the servers away along with all the users and recreate from scratch. I give my staff another simple server to back their stuff up on to (stuff they NEED to keep) and blow the rest away. Forces you and them to clean house and makes it easy for you to create new users. Otherwise...if you can extract the usernames and possibly the passwords from the NT server....(text file of some sort) you can then manipulate it and recreate them in the smbldap server using the included scripts for adding users. Let us know and we'll help you along :-) Welcome over from the "dark side". You'll love the freedom and ease of use once you make the change. I love being able to easily manage my servers via ssh from anywhere in the world....it's very liberating and allows me to get out and go home more. :-) PS: As for backup? There are many options, but one thing I've done....I have a server with removable HD's. I use a backup script that I wrote to back-up the profiles and the home dirs as a tar file (which preserves permissions) and moves it to another server via and NFS share. Then I have a couple HD's ready with the OS and smbldap already installed (same config as the production ones) and in the event of unlikely failure....I simply pop in the new HD's....copy the latest backup (or even make a backup of the current /home if I can still get to it) back to the server...untar it....and we're back in business. Worst case...the passwords are reset to the defaults, but I simply let everyone know and they go in and change them when they log in next time. Sometimes...methods like this are a lot less time consuming than trying to do bare metal backups and so forth. We've never lost a shred of data (picture me furiously knocking on wood) ;-) One more thing....go gigabit on this server...makes a WORLD of difference! "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, March 11, 2005 at 7:05 AM +0000 wrote: >prob easiest to take the names and build a new smbldap pdc and bdc.where >are your homedirs..in our case i havnt yet duplicated some of the nt >functionality in ldap as far as authrnticating thru firewall adn >multiserver homedirs..itl take about 10 minutes to build a new >authentication from smbldap if you dont have exising structures that wil >screw you up...chuck > >> Hello all, >> All the discussion of the new smbldap script flying around lately >> has triggered a few questions in my disheveled mind. I run a 700+ user >> NT domain, with one PDC and 3 BDCs helping to distribute the >> authentication load. If I built a Samba PDC would the BDCs still sync >> up with it, or would I have to turn them into just plain servers? >Could >> I still use the NT User Manager for Domains application for user >> creation and maintenance, or would I need to retrain my staff on >> something else? If I ran this script on my K12LTSP server, would it >> automatically start accepting the existing Domain logons and passwords >> transparently, or is there more to it than that? I've got my users >> "Home" folders spread out across three servers, one for HS, one for MS, >> and one for ES for fault tolerance. Initially these were three >separate >> LANs and when we connected them I just left the existing scheme in >> place. Can the Samba PDC implementation handle that, or do I have to >> change the way I do things? Forgive me if these are silly questions, >but >> I'm an NT guy trying to find his way in the Linux world. >> >> -- >> >> C-ya, >> Mark David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From aust_Txv at ACCESS-K12.org Fri Mar 11 14:15:16 2005 From: aust_Txv at ACCESS-K12.org (aust_Txv at ACCESS-K12.org) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 09:15:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Network FAX system vs. 12 FAX numbers In-Reply-To: <1110478747.2469.7.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <2430954296.1110532516@[10.2.57.136]> > Heck, if you > decide you want to try vonage, I can send you an email > referral and you'll save some money off of your first > bill. That's certainly an idea. That is an instant money saver. Thanks, Tom Ventresco From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Mar 11 14:20:56 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 09:20:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] error in smbldap-useradd (SOLUTION FOUND) In-Reply-To: <20050311120937.9668.qmail@web54407.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050311120937.9668.qmail@web54407.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Just FYI....for all using smbldap-installer. Do not install your own version of smbldap-tools....let the installer do it for you. The installer is written for 0.86. 0.87 is very new and has yet to be well proven (heck I was nervous about 0.86)....not only that....in keeping with the tradition of Samba releases...(don't get me wrong...I love the work they do)....but they manage to change many critical elements thus screwing up anything we've done in the past. Samba is notorious for this...especially with the jump from Samba 2.x to Samba 3.x. Took me several weeks to rewrite my how-to and it wasn't until I threw out my old how-to and quit cross-referencing it (that's what slowed me down)....that I was able to make progress. So in short...let the script do the work for you...don't download the new smbldap-tools yet. Again...smbldap-installer 1.2 is available here http://majen.net/smbldap/smbldap-installer-1.2.tgz and here http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/smbldap/ "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, March 11, 2005 at 7:09 AM +0000 wrote: > >Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 14:12:39 -0800 (PST) >From: "Greg T." >Subject: [K12OSN] error in smbldap-adduser >To: k12osn at redhat.com >Message-ID: ><20050310221239.38114.qmail at web54409.mail.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >I'm trying (once again) to build a PDC using the >smbldap-installer script version 1.2. > >When I ran the script, it seemed odd that the files in >/etc/smbldap-tools weren't touched in any way. I >didn't think much of it, and hand modified them >according to the website where I got the script. > >But now, it seems like any process that is supposed to >read those config files is not. > > > >It seems that yum installed version 8.7 of >smbldap-tools in the wrong place. For example: >Instead of putting config files in /opt/IDEALX/, yum >installed them in /etc/smbldap-tools, the place they >were installed prior to 8.6. > >I uninstalled 8.7 smbldap-tools, and installed the 8.6 >version included with the smbldap-installer package, >and reran the installer script. Eureka! It worked! > >Greg David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From les at futuresource.com Fri Mar 11 14:25:16 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 08:25:16 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Network FAX system vs. 12 FAX numbers In-Reply-To: <2430954296.1110532516@[10.2.57.136]> References: <2430954296.1110532516@[10.2.57.136]> Message-ID: <1110551116.17460.31.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2005-03-11 at 08:15, aust_Txv at ACCESS-K12.org wrote: > That's certainly an idea. That is an instant money saver. I think there are places that will sell inbound fax phone number to email gateway services too. That way you can give out numbers for each person that needs it and not have to deal with sorting. Some of the fancier phone switches also include fax reception along with voice mail for each station. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Mar 11 14:32:12 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 08:32:12 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Help design a new elementary school! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000701c52647$1d1201a0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > for some good points. In terms of specific questions people > have been asking, we are building an entirely new structure, > not renovating an old one. And the design is a typical school > - 3 floors, fixed-size classrooms (average 800 sq feet) for > each grade, art, library, etc. > > To summarize the points so far: > 1) lots of conduits for pulling cables now and in the future! > 2) wiring for ceiling projectors in each classroom > 3) planning for wireless (what does this mean anyway? thinner walls?) > > (The other options, such as smart boards, etc, are a bit > beyond our budget, but I doubt they affect anything in the > design phase.) > > There was some discussion about the IDFs - I'm not sure what > that stands for, but I'm assuming that it refers to where all > the servers are. We currently don't have anything like that > in our school. We just have the tower for the lab sitting in > a corner of the lab room. > Is that the best approach? I thought a server room was mainly > for rack-mounted servers. There are MDF's and IDF's. The M stands for main and the I for intermediate distribution facilities. Your MDF is where your internet, phone, and cable will enter the building. This usually ends up on an outside wall. In an ideal world, place your MDF and IDFs central to the structure. And place them directly above/below each other. This will equal out cable run lengths and make it much easier to pull more cross connects between wire rooms. Use large conduit. Make sure there is plenty of room for pulling more cable in the future (no matter how much you plan, you'll need more someday). Pull more cable than you think you'll ever need. Cable is cheap, and when pulled in groups doesn't increase labor much. No less than two data cables to any location. That way there is always a buffer for failure. Pull fiber, it is cheap to pull. Even if you just leave it in the wall and don't terminate it. Eventually your copper connections will be exceeded and having at least a small fiber backbone already in place to rooms will put you way ahead of the game. And pulling glass fiber through cramped conduit after the fact may be tough. Definitely use a gigabit fiber backbone between your MDF and IDFs. Pull coax to every room. Stem all of your runs as a star from the wire rooms. Not sure how long or wide your building is but be sure if the floors are large enough that your IDFs are place so that no cable run exceeds 100 Meters. You may need 2 IDFs per floor, if so run a Gig fiber backbone between them and place them centrally in their half and directly over/under each other. If you are really bored read the TIA/EIA standards in regards to wire room location and standards. They actually make a lot of sense. When placing your racks for mounting patch panels and switches be sure to place them where they are easily accessible from both front and back, it will reduce your headache tremendously. Develop a wiring scheme. I like to use one that is intuitive to the point that if I look at a jack it tells me what kind of data it is, what wire room it originates from, and its unique number. Example: Data Run from IDF B and it is the 15th jack on the patch panel, label it D-B-15 (Data, IDF B, jack 15). Choose whatever makes you happy but it sure beats cross reference charts and toners. For Phone from IDF D puch down 48, P-D-48 (Phone, IDF D, punch down 48). Do this with coax, fiber, anything. And in your wire room label your cross connect runs in the same fashion. Troubleshooting will never have been easier. Your electrician needs to be fully aware of your wiring scheme. If you plan on having an wireless access point hanging 30ft in the air in the middle of your concourse, he needs to put a outlet there. For every location you have a dual data drop, put a quad outlet. Think about what will be plugging in at all locations your data drops will be. Don't go cheap on this and put a lot of thought in it. Especially in your computer labs. Pull CAT5 for phone. And make sure all 4 pairs are terminated on the punch down blocks. This allows you to run 4 phones off a single cable. This will save your butt in the future, and if needed you can always convert it to data. Hope this helps. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From cliebow at downeast.net Fri Mar 11 14:26:15 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 14:26:15 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] error in smbldap-useradd (SOLUTION FOUND) Message-ID: <200503111323.j2BDNdg27998@downeast.net> 0.8.7 works perfectly...it is just the path that is screwed up..tools install to /sbin instead of /opt--> chuck> Just FYI....for all using smbldap-installer. Do not install your own > version of smbldap-tools....let the installer do it for you. The > installer is written for 0.86. 0.87 is very new and has yet to be well > proven (heck I was nervous about 0.86)....not only that....in keeping with > the tradition of Samba releases...(don't get me wrong...I love the work > they do)....but they manage to change many critical elements thus screwing > up anything we've done in the past. Samba is notorious for > this...especially with the jump from Samba 2.x to Samba 3.x. Took me > several weeks to rewrite my how-to and it wasn't until I threw out my old > how-to and quit cross-referencing it (that's what slowed me down)....that > I was able to make progress. So in short...let the script do the work for > you...don't download the new smbldap-tools yet. > > Again...smbldap-installer 1.2 is available here > http://majen.net/smbldap/smbldap-installer-1.2.tgz and here > http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/smbldap/ > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Friday, March 11, 2005 at 7:09 AM +0000 wrote: > > > >Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 14:12:39 -0800 (PST) > >From: "Greg T." > >Subject: [K12OSN] error in smbldap-adduser > >To: k12osn at redhat.com > >Message-ID: > ><20050310221239.38114.qmail at web54409.mail.yahoo.com> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > >I'm trying (once again) to build a PDC using the > >smbldap-installer script version 1.2. > > > >When I ran the script, it seemed odd that the files in > >/etc/smbldap-tools weren't touched in any way. I > >didn't think much of it, and hand modified them > >according to the website where I got the script. > > > >But now, it seems like any process that is supposed to > >read those config files is not. > > > > > > > >It seems that yum installed version 8.7 of > >smbldap-tools in the wrong place. For example: > >Instead of putting config files in /opt/IDEALX/, yum > >installed them in /etc/smbldap-tools, the place they > >were installed prior to 8.6. > > > >I uninstalled 8.7 smbldap-tools, and installed the 8.6 > >version included with the smbldap-installer package, > >and reran the installer script. Eureka! It worked! > > > >Greg > > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From les at futuresource.com Fri Mar 11 14:31:58 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 08:31:58 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Ldap address book functionality? Message-ID: <1110551518.17460.39.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Since LDAP seems to be a hot topic: is anyone using their LDAP directory as an address book suitable for viewing through outlook/evolution, etc? Do the scripts being developed for authentication include the fields needed for looking up email addresses? How about a place for addresses and phone numbers? Also, sendmail and postfix can use LDAP for alias/group lookups and to find the final delivery location for email. Is that schema included or could it be? -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jim at winonacotter.org Fri Mar 11 14:39:14 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 08:39:14 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP Management In-Reply-To: <00bd01c52627$40ceec90$65c8a8c0@brianwork> Message-ID: <000801c52648$18a5ff80$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > If anyone would like rpm's for IMC built agains't Fedora Core > 3 let me know and I'll mail them over. Fire away :-) I'll be glad to give them a whirl. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From cliebow at downeast.net Fri Mar 11 14:30:51 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 14:30:51 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Ldap address book functionality? Message-ID: <200503111328.j2BDSFg28637@downeast.net> Les: It would be trivial to add any field you like with my script..I just don't know what it needs to look like..chuck > Since LDAP seems to be a hot topic: is anyone using their LDAP > directory as an address book suitable for viewing through > outlook/evolution, etc? Do the scripts being developed for > authentication include the fields needed for looking up > email addresses? How about a place for addresses and phone numbers? > > Also, sendmail and postfix can use LDAP for alias/group lookups > and to find the final delivery location for email. Is that > schema included or could it be? > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Fri Mar 11 14:41:04 2005 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 08:41:04 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Managing a Samba PDC In-Reply-To: <20050311141312.29FF2732A5@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050311141312.29FF2732A5@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4231AE00.50907@honeygroveisd.net> > >Ok...first issue...you have 4 machines handling authentication and you >ONLY have 700 users? I have one server and 600 users and don't even come >REMOTELY close to needing another server. Did some M$ vendor sell you on >this idea? I'm all for backups and BDC's, but there's a point where it's >overkill. > As I said before, this started out as 4 separate LANs, each with its own PDC. When we connected the campuses, I simply made one of the existing servers a PDC and demoted the rest to BDCs. >Anyway...you can easily build a Samba/LDAP server to handle >what you're doing now. I use mine as my PDC serving roaming profiles for >Win XP and also auth'ing my Terminal server which is a member of the >domain. It also handles all the auth'ing on the Linux side and houses the >users home dirs that are then exported to the various servers via NFS. >The biggest issue is about users. What I normally do....I wait until >summer...blow the servers away along with all the users and recreate from >scratch. I give my staff another simple server to back their stuff up on >to (stuff they NEED to keep) and blow the rest away. > I've spent the last 4 years telling my staff to use the server to store their files rather than the local HD. Now that they're finally understanding the concept that they can keep all their "stuff" in one place, that gets backed up nightly, and access it from anywhere, I'm not about to go deleting things. If I'm going to move things, it'll have to be just that- a lateral move in which all of their data and file permissions are intact. Is this possible? >Let us know and we'll help you along :-) Welcome over from the "dark side". > My first experience with the "Light Side of the Force" was Dan's Guardian. I took a "spare" PC, slapped RH9 on it and turned it into a no-cost content filter to get the Feds. off our backs. Since then I've set up 1 pure file server using Samba, one K12LSTP server feeding 2 labs and 2 libraries, a Web server hosting Mambo, and I'm currently experimenting with OpenBiblio to replace our proprietary (and poorly designed) library system. >You'll love the freedom and ease of use once you >make the change. I love being able to easily manage my servers via ssh >from anywhere in the world....it's very liberating and allows me to get >out and go home more. :-) > > I use VNC over PuTTY for my NT servers. >PS: As for backup? > Oh yeah, I almost forgot my FC2 box running BackupPC. Thanks Les. > ;-) > >One more thing....go gigabit on this server...makes a WORLD of difference! > > We don't have the infrastructure for Gigabit, but I am buying 10/100/1000 NICs in preparation for that day. C-ya, Mark ____ "The absence of alternatives clears the mind marvelously." -- Henry Kissinger From hick518 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 11 14:57:14 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 06:57:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Network FAX system vs. 12 FAX numbers In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050311145714.19927.qmail@web41626.mail.yahoo.com> www.efax.com is one that comes to mind. I've never tried them, though. -Rob --- Les Mikesell wrote: > I think there are places that will sell inbound fax > phone number > to email gateway services too. That way you can > give out > numbers for each person that needs it and not have > to deal > with sorting. Some of the fancier phone switches > also include > fax reception along with voice mail for each > station. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From hick518 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 11 14:57:30 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 06:57:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Network FAX system vs. 12 FAX numbers In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050311145731.63297.qmail@web41625.mail.yahoo.com> Okay, I just sent you a referral to aust_Txv at ACCESS-K12.org Check them out and see if they can supply you with a local phone number. Sometimes they can transfer your existing phone number. If you decide to go w/ them, I think the referral gets you your first month for free. If you decide not to go with them, no big deal. There are other VOIP providers, but Vonage is the biggest as far as I know. -Rob --- aust_Txv at ACCESS-K12.org wrote: > > Heck, if you > > decide you want to try vonage, I can send you an > email > > referral and you'll save some money off of your > first > > bill. > > That's certainly an idea. That is an instant money > saver. > Thanks, > Tom Ventresco > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Fri Mar 11 15:09:28 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:09:28 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Ldap address book functionality? References: <1110551518.17460.39.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <01a801c5264c$5265f230$65c8a8c0@brianwork> Les Mikesell wrote: > Since LDAP seems to be a hot topic: is anyone using their LDAP > directory as an address book suitable for viewing through > outlook/evolution, etc? Do the scripts being developed for > authentication include the fields needed for looking up > email addresses? How about a place for addresses and phone numbers? > > Also, sendmail and postfix can use LDAP for alias/group lookups > and to find the final delivery location for email. Is that > schema included or could it be? I had a quick go getting Outlook Express to look for users in our LDAP server (smbldap-installer installed) and it has the complete schema so it found users even though it didn;t have anything like email address of phone numbers. I used Jxplorer to add this entries and OE saw the changes. So if a M$ product works I would think Open Source stuff would. As for the other bit, sendmail postfix I have no idea sorry Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Fri Mar 11 15:12:12 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:12:12 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/LDAP Management References: <000801c52648$18a5ff80$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <01b901c5264c$b40e8e70$65c8a8c0@brianwork> Jim Kronebusch wrote: >> If anyone would like rpm's for IMC built agains't Fedora Core >> 3 let me know and I'll mail them over. > > Fire away :-) I'll be glad to give them a whirl. Jim I'll send them off list and as 3 files, one is nearly 10Mb !!! Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca Fri Mar 11 14:37:02 2005 From: GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca (Guy-Michel Lessard) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 09:37:02 -0500 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9p.=20:=20[K12OSN]=20Grub?= Message-ID: Easy, open /boot/grub/grub.conf and you will see a line at the top with the default time (beware not the default boot). Just change it and save. You dont need to relaunch grub as we did in LILO. >>> jconlon1 at elp.rr.com 2005-03-10 19:14:48 >>> I finally got my Inspiron 6000 to dual boot but I'm not happy with the timer in the new version of Grub that is in K12LTSP 4.2.0. The four seconds, I think, to press a key has caused me to miss the change several times when I wanted to go into Linux mode. The bigest problem has been someone coming up and talking to me during start up. Is there a way I can increase the time to 8 or 10 seconds? Thanks Pat _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From henryhartley at westat.com Fri Mar 11 15:45:40 2005 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 10:45:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Help design a new elementary school! Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F075A5CC4@remail2.westat.com> On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 at 6:50 AM, Rob Owens said: >> >> You might want to see if there are any regulations as >> to how many wires you are allowed to run through a >> certain size conduit. I know there are rules for >> power wiring, but I doubt there are any for low-power >> stuff like ethernet, etc. Still, you should check >> into it so you know how much conduit you should >> install. I'd make sure the conduit is clearly labeled for low-power/network wiring. Two things: You don't want the inspector to see it and not know for sure what it is, and you don't want your electrical contractor to think, "ummm, conduit!" -- Henry From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Mar 11 16:07:18 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 11:07:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Managing a Samba PDC In-Reply-To: <4231AE00.50907@honeygroveisd.net> References: <20050311141312.29FF2732A5@hormel.redhat.com> <4231AE00.50907@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, March 11, 2005 at 9:41 AM +0000 wrote: >> >>Ok...first issue...you have 4 machines handling authentication and you >>ONLY have 700 users? I have one server and 600 users and don't even come >>REMOTELY close to needing another server. Did some M$ vendor sell you on >>this idea? I'm all for backups and BDC's, but there's a point where it's >>overkill. >> > As I said before, this started out as 4 separate LANs, each with its >own PDC. When we connected the campuses, I simply made one of the >existing servers a PDC and demoted the rest to BDCs. Now I get it...missed that part ;-) > > >>Anyway...you can easily build a Samba/LDAP server to handle >>what you're doing now. I use mine as my PDC serving roaming profiles for >>Win XP and also auth'ing my Terminal server which is a member of the >>domain. It also handles all the auth'ing on the Linux side and houses >the >>users home dirs that are then exported to the various servers via NFS. >>The biggest issue is about users. What I normally do....I wait until >>summer...blow the servers away along with all the users and recreate from >>scratch. I give my staff another simple server to back their stuff up on >>to (stuff they NEED to keep) and blow the rest away. >> > I've spent the last 4 years telling my staff to use the server to >store their files rather than the local HD. Now that they're finally >understanding the concept that they can keep all their "stuff" in one >place, that gets backed up nightly, and access it from anywhere, I'm not >about to go deleting things. If I'm going to move things, it'll have to >be just that- a lateral move in which all of their data and file >permissions are intact. Is this possible? Yes....might be a little painstaking at first, but once it's done...it's done. > > >>Let us know and we'll help you along :-) Welcome over from the "dark >side". >> > My first experience with the "Light Side of the Force" was Dan's >Guardian. I took a "spare" PC, slapped RH9 on it and turned it into a >no-cost content filter to get the Feds. off our backs. Since then I've >set up 1 pure file server using Samba, one K12LSTP server feeding 2 labs >and 2 libraries, a Web server hosting Mambo, and I'm currently >experimenting with OpenBiblio to replace our proprietary (and poorly >designed) library system. Welcome! I too use DG....I use it on an SME server. Have used it for about 3.5 years now. Works awesome. I also have a Mambo server also on SME. Keep us posted on your OpenBiblio progress. We're using a Windows product (server only...we use Linux machines with web browsers for the clients)...called Winnebago by Sagebrush. It works well, hence the reason I haven't gone over to Koha or OpenBiblio, but I am open to change. My biggest thing is how to get the data from one place to another. I've learned the MARC databases are NOT the same from one to another contrary to what folks may try to tell you. > > >>You'll love the freedom and ease of use once you >>make the change. I love being able to easily manage my servers via ssh >>from anywhere in the world....it's very liberating and allows me to get >>out and go home more. :-) >> >> > I use VNC over PuTTY for my NT servers. So do I for my Win2k3 servers....but I must admit I work much more fluently and faster using CLI over ssh into my Linux boxes ;-) > > >>PS: As for backup? >> > Oh yeah, I almost forgot my FC2 box running BackupPC. Thanks Les. > >> ;-) >> >>One more thing....go gigabit on this server...makes a WORLD of >difference! Meaning wire or switches? Are you going between buildings or staying in one? > >> >> > We don't have the infrastructure for Gigabit, but I am buying >10/100/1000 NICs in preparation for that day. > >C-ya, >Mark David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Mar 11 16:07:18 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 11:07:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Managing a Samba PDC In-Reply-To: <4231AE00.50907@honeygroveisd.net> References: <20050311141312.29FF2732A5@hormel.redhat.com> <4231AE00.50907@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, March 11, 2005 at 9:41 AM +0000 wrote: >> >>Ok...first issue...you have 4 machines handling authentication and you >>ONLY have 700 users? I have one server and 600 users and don't even come >>REMOTELY close to needing another server. Did some M$ vendor sell you on >>this idea? I'm all for backups and BDC's, but there's a point where it's >>overkill. >> > As I said before, this started out as 4 separate LANs, each with its >own PDC. When we connected the campuses, I simply made one of the >existing servers a PDC and demoted the rest to BDCs. Now I get it...missed that part ;-) > > >>Anyway...you can easily build a Samba/LDAP server to handle >>what you're doing now. I use mine as my PDC serving roaming profiles for >>Win XP and also auth'ing my Terminal server which is a member of the >>domain. It also handles all the auth'ing on the Linux side and houses >the >>users home dirs that are then exported to the various servers via NFS. >>The biggest issue is about users. What I normally do....I wait until >>summer...blow the servers away along with all the users and recreate from >>scratch. I give my staff another simple server to back their stuff up on >>to (stuff they NEED to keep) and blow the rest away. >> > I've spent the last 4 years telling my staff to use the server to >store their files rather than the local HD. Now that they're finally >understanding the concept that they can keep all their "stuff" in one >place, that gets backed up nightly, and access it from anywhere, I'm not >about to go deleting things. If I'm going to move things, it'll have to >be just that- a lateral move in which all of their data and file >permissions are intact. Is this possible? Yes....might be a little painstaking at first, but once it's done...it's done. > > >>Let us know and we'll help you along :-) Welcome over from the "dark >side". >> > My first experience with the "Light Side of the Force" was Dan's >Guardian. I took a "spare" PC, slapped RH9 on it and turned it into a >no-cost content filter to get the Feds. off our backs. Since then I've >set up 1 pure file server using Samba, one K12LSTP server feeding 2 labs >and 2 libraries, a Web server hosting Mambo, and I'm currently >experimenting with OpenBiblio to replace our proprietary (and poorly >designed) library system. Welcome! I too use DG....I use it on an SME server. Have used it for about 3.5 years now. Works awesome. I also have a Mambo server also on SME. Keep us posted on your OpenBiblio progress. We're using a Windows product (server only...we use Linux machines with web browsers for the clients)...called Winnebago by Sagebrush. It works well, hence the reason I haven't gone over to Koha or OpenBiblio, but I am open to change. My biggest thing is how to get the data from one place to another. I've learned the MARC databases are NOT the same from one to another contrary to what folks may try to tell you. > > >>You'll love the freedom and ease of use once you >>make the change. I love being able to easily manage my servers via ssh >>from anywhere in the world....it's very liberating and allows me to get >>out and go home more. :-) >> >> > I use VNC over PuTTY for my NT servers. So do I for my Win2k3 servers....but I must admit I work much more fluently and faster using CLI over ssh into my Linux boxes ;-) > > >>PS: As for backup? >> > Oh yeah, I almost forgot my FC2 box running BackupPC. Thanks Les. > >> ;-) >> >>One more thing....go gigabit on this server...makes a WORLD of >difference! Meaning wire or switches? Are you going between buildings or staying in one? > >> >> > We don't have the infrastructure for Gigabit, but I am buying >10/100/1000 NICs in preparation for that day. > >C-ya, >Mark David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Mar 11 16:08:25 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 11:08:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound In-Reply-To: <4231150A.2020303@execulink.com> References: <4231150A.2020303@execulink.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, March 10, 2005 at 10:48 PM +0000 wrote: >I now have the proper sound driver for some of my LTSP clients but I >don't know how to test to see if it works. If I make changes in the >preferences (ie sound on login) does that affect any computer I login to? > >Thanks, > >Jason Use TuxMath....very obnoxious program with regard to sound...my fave testing proggie for sound. PS the music is pretty cool too! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From morelocj at canby.k12.or.us Fri Mar 11 17:24:01 2005 From: morelocj at canby.k12.or.us (Joseph Morelock) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 09:24:01 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Help design a new elementary school! In-Reply-To: References: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E282050A20@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> <4230AA67.6060508@physics.isu.edu> Message-ID: <92e93fc07838c824c85fbd1aa4b3b36c@canby.k12.or.us> Prof, Sorry for my earlier (very) wordy response. Our district standard for wiring is 8 drops per classroom, as we use at least one at either end of the room for classroom phones. We will move to VoIP sometime in the future so they will still be useful then, too. Properly distributed, they allow the teacher some input on where the best placement of classroom computers would be. Architects are notorious for not understanding data needs, and will under-budget and under-wire (IMHO). We hope to put 3 or 4 terminals in each classroom, so that students and teachers always have quick access to the Internet or their home folders when they need it. The thin client model works great for this, as all you need is a network connection and you can add/subtract machines as needed. Labs are good for some things, but many times, the teacher would prefer to work out of their own classroom, and have kids work in groups, or rotate through the computers when needed. Being so stable, the thin clients make GREAT classroom machines that are easy to manage. Joe On Mar 10, 2005, at 7:36 PM, The Prof wrote: > Hello, > > Thanks to everyone who has replied so far - I've taken notes for some > good points. In terms of specific questions people have been asking, > we are building an entirely new structure, not renovating an old one. > And the design is a typical school - 3 floors, fixed-size classrooms > (average 800 sq feet) for each grade, art, library, etc. > > To summarize the points so far: > 1) lots of conduits for pulling cables now and in the future! > 2) wiring for ceiling projectors in each classroom > 3) planning for wireless (what does this mean anyway? thinner walls?) > > (The other options, such as smart boards, etc, are a bit beyond our > budget, but I doubt they affect anything in the design phase.) > > There was some discussion about the IDFs - I'm not sure what that > stands for, but I'm assuming that it refers to where all the servers > are. We currently don't have anything like that in our school. We > just have the tower for the lab sitting in a corner of the lab room. > Is that the best approach? I thought a server room was mainly for > rack-mounted servers. > > Along those lines, are there any comments or suggestions about how to > distribute the thin-clients around the school? Our location doesn't > have a specific curriculum for computers, so it is up to us to decide. > What are the pros vs. cons of a 'computer lab' where all the machines > are situated, vs. spreading them out in all the classrooms? As well, > during how first wiring phase, how many drops should be going to each > classroom? I've heard numbers as high as 4 or 5. > > Thanks, > Joseph > > On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 13:13:27 -0700, Ben Nickell > wrote: >> Sharon Betts wrote: >> >>> Hi Joseph, >>> We just opened a new K-3 school with interactive white boards >>> in each >>> classroom, enhanced audio in each room, wireless throughout. It is a >>> combination of thin clients and full teacher workstations. I would >>> love >>> to expound on our planning and results either privately or onlist -- >>> just >>> let me know. >>> Sharon >>> >>> >> >> Sharon, >> >> I am also helping design the wiring for a new facility. I for one >> would love the hear about your planning and results. >> >> Be Nickell >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > Joseph Morelock Director of Network & Information Services Canby School District morelocj at canby.k12.or.us 503.266.7861 Abstention from any aleatory undertaking precludes a potential escalation of a lucrative nature. From les at futuresource.com Fri Mar 11 18:26:43 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 12:26:43 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Ldap address book functionality? In-Reply-To: <200503111328.j2BDSFg28637@downeast.net> References: <200503111328.j2BDSFg28637@downeast.net> Message-ID: <1110565603.17175.12.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2005-03-11 at 08:30, cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > Les: It would be trivial to add any field you like with my script..I just > don't know what it needs to look like..chuck The problem is I don't know enough about it to give an intelligent answer. I think addressbook stuff uses the inetorgperson schema but http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/LDAP-Implementation-HOWTO.html mentions specific microsoftaddressbook and netscapeaddressbook schemas. The sendmail info is at: http://www.iconimaging.net/~jradford/sendmail/sendmail-ldap.html Then I don't know how you glue the stuff together so that these entries can be managed along with the authentication stuff but does not have to correspond exactly: you might want to have contact info or email addresses for people who can't log in. But, it would be great to have one tool to manage this all in one place regardless of the number of machines involved. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From petre at maltzen.net Fri Mar 11 19:35:20 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 13:35:20 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Deleting Swap Files In-Reply-To: References: <42309301.5020604@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <6290a1d52d05adf7c1bac42400d4a9cb@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <4231F2F8.5030806@maltzen.net> Eric Harrison wrote: > On Thu, 10 Mar 2005, Shawn Powers wrote: > >> On Mar 10, 2005, at 1:33 PM, Eric Harrison wrote: >> >>> /usr/sbin/tmpwatch --verbose --test 720 /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles >> >> >> This showed a whole ton of files that would be deleted. Who knew, a >> program (tmpwatch) written specifically for my situation. ;o) >> >> Thanks Eric, I'll run that after 3PM without the test & verbose. >> >> You da man, >> -Shawn > > > This is slightly riskier/trickier than I had hoped. I enabled > USE_NFS_SWAP and booted a test box with 16M of ram. I let it set for an > hour and then ran tmpwatch telling it to delete used files over an hour > old. > > It deleted the swap file, causing the terminal to crash. It had to be > power-cycled before it would start X. > > I could always cause a problem by using touch to muck with the date > stamps: > > touch -d "01/01/01 01:01:01" /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles/192.168.0.253.swap > > > The fuser command doesn't see that the file is open, as such adding the > --fuser flag to tmpwatch does not help. > > The most conservative setting I can come up with is: > > /usr/sbin/tmpwatch --ctime --atime --mtime 720 /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles/ > > This should only cause a problem if: > > * your server's clock is suddenly set more than a month in the future, > and is not fixed before the /etc/cron.daily/ scripts run > > or > > * you have a terminal that has been running for more than a month, never > used swap, had the swap file deleted, and then need some swap space > > or > > * some other problem I have not thought of yet > > > In any case this should be fairly rare. But then so is running out of > server > space because of unused swap files. > > There is probably a way to work-around this in any case. > Maybe something as simple as: > > for terminal in `showmount | grep -v '/'` > do > if [ -f /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles/${terminal}.swap ] > then > touch /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles/${terminal}.swap > fi > done > /usr/sbin/tmpwatch --ctime --atime --mtime 720 /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles/ > > > I'm going to sleep on it before I build a test package. In the meantime, > hopefully someone will come up with a bright idea on how to do this > safely ;-) > > -Eric > Perhaps I don't understand the process, but shouldn't there be a finite number of files (one?) for each client? In which, in Shawn's case, clients must have been creating multiple swap files (a new one each time the client is booted?). And if that's the case, is there something in the name of the swapfile that identifies which client it belongs to? And even if there isn't, there shouldn't be, at any given moment, more swap files than total possible clients, right? So, if you have 30 total possible clients, could you remove everything but the 30 most recently accessed files? Just my $.02. Petre From david at okgoodwill.org Fri Mar 11 19:43:38 2005 From: david at okgoodwill.org (David H. Barr) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 13:43:38 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] HP NetRaid (LSI MegaRaid) & invisible drives Message-ID: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E282050A24@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> >>> boot from CD, and what do you know... my NetRAID (AKA LSI MegaRaid) >>> is detected, but no logical drive is detected. I booted sysResc and >>> verified that I have a logical drive that should be presented to >>> Fedora, but no dice. >> Apparently (from what I've gathered) FC3 and HP NetRaids don't play >> well together. Anyone on the Fedora lists forward this for me? The >> actual part is known as "HP NetRAID 1si" / "LSI MegaRAID Express >> 200" / "Dell PERC2/SE", and apparently this was at one time "Bug >> 135484" for Fedora Core 3... help? > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/beta/show_bug.cgi?id=138590 > You might try the driver disk mentioned in comment #22. Thanks for that tip, Dan. It got me over the initial install hump. I successfully walked through a noprobe install, but then on reboot I get the following: Red Hat nash version 4.1.18 starting Reading all physical volumes. This may take a while... No volume groups found No volume groups found No volume groups found mount: error 6 mounting ext3 mount: error 2 mounting none switchroot: mount failed: 22 umount /initrd/dev failed: 2 Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2004-December/msg01164.html is the only other place I can find a reference to this bug other than 135484 and 138590. As per those suggestions, I've booted off of a Fedora Core 2 rescue CD (FC3 resc displays same misbehaviour) and edited my /etc/modprobe.conf (replaced megaraid_mbox with megaraid). Still nothing. I still have the floppy with the updated megaraid module from comment 22; any suggestions on how to add that into my FC3 k12ltsp system? It seems that the latest FC3 kernels have solved this problem, so if I could somehow run up2date from the rescue CD, that should work as well. The third option appears to be rolling my own kernel, but I'm a bit wet behind the ears for that... comments? questions? rebuttals? David H. Barr Sys / Net Admin Oklahoma Goodwill Industries From hawnsa at accesscomm.ca Fri Mar 11 21:56:09 2005 From: hawnsa at accesscomm.ca (hawnsa at accesscomm.ca) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 21:56:09 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] 8139too problems Message-ID: <20050311215609.9CED71285B5@corpweb.accesscomm.ca> Hello, I am new to this list, linux and ltsp. I am setting up a network in my school with a server and 10 clients and have had no end of problems which I have mostly worked through. This last one has me stumped though. I did find someone else with similar problems on the ltsp mailing list but it doesn't look like they got an answer that worked either. The following is the error message: >(ws003, PI 75Mhz with 40MB >RAM). The booting in the ws003 goes fine but get stuck and does not >proceed after the following lines: > >================================ >Running /linuxrc >Mounting /proc >linuxrc: Installing 8139too driver >modprobe 8139too >/sbin/insmod /lib/modules/2.4.26-ltsp-2/kernel/lib/crc32.o >Using /lib/modules/2.4.26-ltsp-2/kernel/lib/crc32.o >Symbol version prefix '' >/sbin/insmod /lib/modules/2.4.26-ltsp-2/kernel/drivers/net/mii.o >Using /lib/modules/2.4.26-ltsp-2/kernel/drivers/net/mii.o >/sbin/insmod /lib/modules/2.4.26-ltsp-2/kernel/drivers/net/8139too.o >Using /lib/modules/2.4.26-ltsp-2/kernel/drivers/net/8139too.o >8139too Fast Ethernet driver 0.9.26 >====================================== Any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks. Shawn Allen Morning Star Christian Academy Regina, Saskatchewan hawnsa at accesscomm.ca From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Mar 11 23:05:01 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:05:01 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Deleting Swap Files In-Reply-To: References: <42309301.5020604@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <6290a1d52d05adf7c1bac42400d4a9cb@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <4232241D.5090606@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Eric Harrison wrote: > > There is probably a way to work-around this in any case. > Maybe something as simple as: > > for terminal in `showmount | grep -v '/'` > do > if [ -f /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles/${terminal}.swap ] > then > touch /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles/${terminal}.swap > fi > done > /usr/sbin/tmpwatch --ctime --atime --mtime 720 /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles/ > > > I'm going to sleep on it before I build a test package. In the meantime, > hopefully someone will come up with a bright idea on how to do this > safely ;-) After sleeping on it, chatting with Shahms King a while, and then taking a long lunch, here is the best I can come up with: cd /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles/ for ip in `ls *.swap 2>/dev/null | sed s/.swap$//g` do netstat -nap 2>/dev/null | grep ${ip}: >/dev/null && touch ${ip}.swap ping -c 1 -w 10 ${ip} &> /dev/null && touch ${ip}.swap done /usr/sbin/tmpwatch --ctime --atime --mtime 168 /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles/ This would prevent a swap file from being deleted if any one of the following were true: * the terminal had written to the swap file sometime in the last week * the terminal had a tcp connection to the server in the last week * the terminal could be pinged sometime in the last week The corner-case in this scenario is fairly small. All of the following would have to true for an active swap file to be deleted: * the terminal would have to be configured to use a different server for NFS_SWAP than it uses for its XDM connection, the default is that the NFS_SWAP server & the XDM server are the same. * pings would have to be disabled on the network * the terminal did not modify the swap file in the previous week That seems sane enough for me. But then I don't use NFS_SWAP and don't have to hear people scream when their terminals randomly crash ;-) Any other sanity checks I could add in? -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On Fri, 11 Mar 2005, Eric Harrison wrote: > > Eric Harrison wrote: > > > > There is probably a way to work-around this in any case. > > Maybe something as simple as: > > > > for terminal in `showmount | grep -v '/'` > > do > > if [ -f /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles/${terminal}.swap ] > > then > > touch /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles/${terminal}.swap > > fi > > done > > /usr/sbin/tmpwatch --ctime --atime --mtime 720 /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles/ > > > > > > I'm going to sleep on it before I build a test package. In the meantime, > > hopefully someone will come up with a bright idea on how to do this > > safely ;-) > > After sleeping on it, chatting with Shahms King a while, and then taking > a long lunch, here is the best I can come up with: > > > cd /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles/ > for ip in `ls *.swap 2>/dev/null | sed s/.swap$//g` > do > netstat -nap 2>/dev/null | grep ${ip}: >/dev/null && touch ${ip}.swap > ping -c 1 -w 10 ${ip} &> /dev/null && touch ${ip}.swap > done > /usr/sbin/tmpwatch --ctime --atime --mtime 168 /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles/ > > > > > This would prevent a swap file from being deleted if any one of the > following were true: > > * the terminal had written to the swap file sometime in the last week > * the terminal had a tcp connection to the server in the last week > * the terminal could be pinged sometime in the last week > > > The corner-case in this scenario is fairly small. All of the following > would have to true for an active swap file to be deleted: > > * the terminal would have to be configured to use a different server > for NFS_SWAP than it uses for its XDM connection, the default is > that the NFS_SWAP server & the XDM server are the same. > * pings would have to be disabled on the network > * the terminal did not modify the swap file in the previous week > > > That seems sane enough for me. But then I don't use NFS_SWAP and don't > have to hear people scream when their terminals randomly crash ;-) > > Any other sanity checks I could add in? > > -Eric > > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Mar 11 23:55:15 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:55:15 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Deleting Swap Files In-Reply-To: References: <42309301.5020604@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <6290a1d52d05adf7c1bac42400d4a9cb@inlandlakes.org> <4232241D.5090606@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <42322FE3.2060008@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Jim McQuillan wrote: > Eric, > > You could use "showmount -a" to show if the workstation has the > /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles directory mounted. > > Jim. I tried that at first, but found that there were a lot of stale entries. Since the terminals never umount the server, it looks like their entries are never flushed out of mountd. From the mountd man page: (note that "showmount -a" matches /var/lib/nfs/rmtab on the servers I checked) For every mount request received from an NFS client, rpc.mountd adds an entry to the /var/lib/nfs/rmtab file. When receiving an unmount request, that entry is removed. However, this file is mostly ornamental. One, the client can continue to use the file handle even after calling rpc.mountd 's UMOUNT proce- dure. And two, if a client reboots without notifying rpc.mountd , a stale entry will remain in rmtab. If we use stale data to figure out what is in use, we'll end up skipping the very stale files we want to delete. It would only be cleared out whenever the server happens to be rebooted. Perhaps the best option would be to just automatically "rm -f /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles/*.swap" whenever the server boots.... -Eric > On Fri, 11 Mar 2005, Eric Harrison wrote: > > >>Eric Harrison wrote: >> >>>There is probably a way to work-around this in any case. >>>Maybe something as simple as: >>> >>> for terminal in `showmount | grep -v '/'` >>> do >>> if [ -f /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles/${terminal}.swap ] >>> then >>> touch /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles/${terminal}.swap >>> fi >>> done >>> /usr/sbin/tmpwatch --ctime --atime --mtime 720 /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles/ >>> >>> >>>I'm going to sleep on it before I build a test package. In the meantime, >>>hopefully someone will come up with a bright idea on how to do this >>>safely ;-) >> >>After sleeping on it, chatting with Shahms King a while, and then taking >>a long lunch, here is the best I can come up with: >> >> >>cd /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles/ >>for ip in `ls *.swap 2>/dev/null | sed s/.swap$//g` >>do >> netstat -nap 2>/dev/null | grep ${ip}: >/dev/null && touch ${ip}.swap >> ping -c 1 -w 10 ${ip} &> /dev/null && touch ${ip}.swap >>done >>/usr/sbin/tmpwatch --ctime --atime --mtime 168 /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles/ >> >> >> >> >>This would prevent a swap file from being deleted if any one of the >>following were true: >> >> * the terminal had written to the swap file sometime in the last week >> * the terminal had a tcp connection to the server in the last week >> * the terminal could be pinged sometime in the last week >> >> >>The corner-case in this scenario is fairly small. All of the following >>would have to true for an active swap file to be deleted: >> >> * the terminal would have to be configured to use a different server >> for NFS_SWAP than it uses for its XDM connection, the default is >> that the NFS_SWAP server & the XDM server are the same. >> * pings would have to be disabled on the network >> * the terminal did not modify the swap file in the previous week >> >> >>That seems sane enough for me. But then I don't use NFS_SWAP and don't >>have to hear people scream when their terminals randomly crash ;-) >> >>Any other sanity checks I could add in? >> >>-Eric >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It would only be cleared out > whenever the server happens to be rebooted. > > Perhaps the best option would be to just automatically "rm -f > /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles/*.swap" whenever the server boots.... > > -Eric That seems like a sane thing to do (seeing as none of the clients will be functional if their swap space just disappeared anyway). However, this is a Linux server we're talking about so cleaning out stale data shouldn't depend on a reboot which may never come ;-P Cleaning the stale nfs swap data on reboot seems to be "duh" obvious, but should be in addition to the other methods. -- Shahms E. King Multnomah ESD Public Key: http://shahms.mesd.k12.or.us/~sking/shahms.asc Fingerprint: 1612 054B CE92 8770 F1EA AB1B FEAB 3636 45B2 D75B -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Sat Mar 12 00:39:37 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 18:39:37 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Deleting Swap Files In-Reply-To: <1110585669.4713.82.camel@shahms.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <42309301.5020604@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <6290a1d52d05adf7c1bac42400d4a9cb@inlandlakes.org> <4232241D.5090606@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <42322FE3.2060008@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <1110585669.4713.82.camel@shahms.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <3cfd5a7519ca51e755782a6eccbcc706@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Why not just delete them with a 1am cron job, along with killing all user processes. No one should be using them then. Then just power up the terminals in the AM. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkIyOkkACgkQfqZR3ThMfXT/awCeL3go+d52Ww8qYnpVQSbpSQDB xI0AnRnfZxJZkp9F84Ut7oD5tmB5u7pq =9wDz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Sat Mar 12 00:43:26 2005 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 16:43:26 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Deleting Swap Files In-Reply-To: <3cfd5a7519ca51e755782a6eccbcc706@mindfirestudios.com> References: <42309301.5020604@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <6290a1d52d05adf7c1bac42400d4a9cb@inlandlakes.org> <4232241D.5090606@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <42322FE3.2060008@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <1110585669.4713.82.camel@shahms.mesd.k12.or.us> <3cfd5a7519ca51e755782a6eccbcc706@mindfirestudios.com> Message-ID: <1110588206.21656.7.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> On Fri, 2005-03-11 at 18:39 -0600, Burke Almquist wrote: > Why not just delete them with a 1am cron job, along with killing all > user processes. No one should be using them then. > Then just power up the terminals in the AM. If a user wants to stay logged in overnight (I do this sometimes) to maintain their session, then they'd be rather upset when they came in the morning to find their session whacked. At least I would. :-( -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From brcisna at frontiernet.net Sat Mar 12 00:45:56 2005 From: brcisna at frontiernet.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 18:45:56 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Root password corrupts ? Message-ID: <002001c5269c$da54a060$01fea8c0@brcHOST> HI LIST,, Has anyone else using K12LTSP ( v 4.2.0) experienced the root password "corrupting"? We are running four K12LTSP,servers ( 2 each,on a two subnet ..network). I m the only person accessing any of the servers,,,and I've {sort of},,,am thinking the password corruption, may possibly do to using Webmin to do a few tasks, and it seems this happens when using MS Internet Explorer ( wouldnt you know it)!.. A couple time,s i've simply "looked" at some config files,,through Webmin,,,,and after exiting,,,then trying to VNC back into the same server, from my client box the root password,,,no longer works? Of course the root password also no longer lets me log into the Webmin interface. I m using the lastest version of Webmin 1.180. ALso,,it seems this has happened when I've had two or three IE /Webmin,pages open at the same time, looking at the four different servers,,, at the same time from my client Windows box? Ive had to reformat a few times do to this very problem! ( ugh)... I had know way of correcting the "trashed" password.. Tryed to do a "manual" copy of the passwd,gshadow,shadow,group file from another "good" root password,server, but no joy,:(. Just wondering if anyone else has experienced this,,or if I m worng on the Webmin,"theory".. Thanks.... 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In-Reply-To: <002001c5269c$da54a060$01fea8c0@brcHOST> References: <002001c5269c$da54a060$01fea8c0@brcHOST> Message-ID: <4232402D.6090405@cmosnetworks.com> Barry R Cisna wrote: > HI LIST,, > > Has anyone else using K12LTSP ( v 4.2.0) experienced the root > password "corrupting"? > We are running four K12LTSP,servers ( 2 each,on a two subnet > ..network). > I m the only person accessing any of the servers,,,and I've {sort > of},,,am thinking the password corruption, > may possibly do to using Webmin to do a few tasks, and it seems > this happens when using MS Internet Explorer > ( wouldnt you know it)!.. > A couple time,s i've simply "looked" at some config files,,through > Webmin,,,,and after exiting,,,then trying to VNC back into the same > server, from my client box the root password,,,no longer works? > Of course the root password also no longer lets me log into the > Webmin interface. > I m using the lastest version of Webmin 1.180. > ALso,,it seems this has happened when I've had two or three IE > /Webmin,pages open at the same time, looking at the four different > servers,,, at the same time from my client Windows box? > Ive had to reformat a few times do to this very problem! ( ugh)... > I had know way of correcting the "trashed" password.. > Tryed to do a "manual" copy of the passwd,gshadow,shadow,group > file from another "good" root password,server, but no joy,:(. > > Just wondering if anyone else has experienced this,,or if I m > worng on the Webmin,"theory".. > > Thanks.... Having never used Webmin, I can't speak to that, but there is a way to recover from a "forgotten" root password. A corrupted root password might as well be "forgotten" for the purposes of this discussion. What you get to do is boot in "rescue" mode and mount your hard disk partitions manually. For example, your root ("/") partition might go under /mnt/root, and everything else goes under that tree. Then, you chroot into /mnt/root and change your root password normally. That's how I got myself out of a jam once. --TP From jim at rossberry.com Sat Mar 12 01:06:51 2005 From: jim at rossberry.com (Jim Wildman) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 20:06:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Root password corrupts ? In-Reply-To: <002001c5269c$da54a060$01fea8c0@brcHOST> References: <002001c5269c$da54a060$01fea8c0@brcHOST> Message-ID: On Fri, 11 Mar 2005, Barry R Cisna wrote: > Ive had to reformat a few times do to this very problem! ( ugh)... > I had know way of correcting the "trashed" password.. I don't know about Webmin, but all you don't need to rebuild the box to recover the password. 1) get on the console, then reset the box. When the grub menu comes up, hit 'e' to enter the edit mode. Cursor to the 'kernel' line. Hit 'e' again. Cursor to the end of the line and add ' 1'. Hit ESC, then 'b' to boot. You will be brought into single user mode (as root) and will be able to reset the password. When it's reset, either reboot the box, or do a 'telinit 3' or 'telinit 5' to get back to your normal run level. (Adjust as necessary for grub passwords, etc) 2) If you've locked out single user mode via inittab options, then get a bootable CD (the first cd of a RH set is a good one). Reboot the box with the CD. At the boot: prompt, type 'linux rescue'. It should bring you into a single user mode with everything mounted. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jim Wildman, CISSP, RHCE jim at rossberry.com http://www.rossberry.com "Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one." Thomas Paine From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sat Mar 12 01:08:23 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 17:08:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Deleting Swap Files In-Reply-To: <1110588206.21656.7.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> References: <42309301.5020604@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <6290a1d52d05adf7c1bac42400d4a9cb@inlandlakes.org> <4232241D.5090606@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <42322FE3.2060008@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <1110585669.4713.82.camel@shahms.mesd.k12.or.us> <3cfd5a7519ca51e755782a6eccbcc706@mindfirestudios.com> <1110588206.21656.7.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> Message-ID: On Fri, 11 Mar 2005, Dan Young wrote: > On Fri, 2005-03-11 at 18:39 -0600, Burke Almquist wrote: >> Why not just delete them with a 1am cron job, along with killing all >> user processes. No one should be using them then. >> Then just power up the terminals in the AM. > > If a user wants to stay logged in overnight (I do this sometimes) to > maintain their session, then they'd be rather upset when they came in > the morning to find their session whacked. > > At least I would. :-( It is safe to say that we should not be hard-coding such policy decisions into the base operating system ;-) -Eric From mailinglists-after-041101_reply-not-possible at hpc.dk Sat Mar 12 09:13:53 2005 From: mailinglists-after-041101_reply-not-possible at hpc.dk (Henning Wangerin) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:13:53 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Network FAX system vs. 12 FAX numbers In-Reply-To: <20050311145714.19927.qmail@web41626.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050311145714.19927.qmail@web41626.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1110618832.13391.8.camel@server.ltsp> On Fri, 2005-03-11 at 15:57, Rob Owens wrote: > www.efax.com is one that comes to mind. I've never > tried them, though. I am using both www.efax.com and www.k7.net. Both wotks great. I have a small comparision on http://wangerin.linux.dk/index.php/tlf-fax.php showing a couple of incomming fax-services. -- Henning Wangerin From mailinglists-after-041101_reply-not-possible at hpc.dk Sat Mar 12 09:22:42 2005 From: mailinglists-after-041101_reply-not-possible at hpc.dk (Henning Wangerin) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:22:42 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Deleting Swap Files In-Reply-To: <42322FE3.2060008@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <42309301.5020604@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <6290a1d52d05adf7c1bac42400d4a9cb@inlandlakes.org> <4232241D.5090606@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <42322FE3.2060008@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1110619361.13391.14.camel@server.ltsp> On Sat, 2005-03-12 at 00:55, Eric Harrison wrote: > Perhaps the best option would be to just automatically "rm -f > /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles/*.swap" whenever the server boots.... Well it would never hurt to do that ;-) What about a simple find /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles/ -name "*.swap" -atime +14 -rm \{\} \; That would delete any file that had not been accessed i two weeks. The periode could ofcourse be set higher if a terminal would be running for more than two weeks betweene reboots. -- Henning Wangerin From brcisna at frontiernet.net Sat Mar 12 12:45:07 2005 From: brcisna at frontiernet.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 06:45:07 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Root Password corrupts?...more details Message-ID: <001a01c52701$5268fd30$01fea8c0@brcHOST> I wanted to add more details to my previous post on this delima. Besides the root password ,corrupting, I also have had a couple other things ,that I beleive are related to using Webmin. I 'm thinking one constant is that this has always happened when using Webmin >remotely<( from home.) Wondering if going through our NAT box/firewall,,,that Webmin sees both servers as the same "external" IP addrress? Another thing that has happend is after using Webmin,,a few times,remoteley is,,,that VNC will quite working. If I try and even do a manual start of vnc server vnc fails to start. I have never gotten vnc to work/start again,after this. I've tryed to look at all of the vnc settings/config files and cant see what has changed (or even possible files that have disappered ,pertaining to vnc). I even done a --force install of the vnc/vnc-server rpm to see if it clears this up,,but no joy:(. I can live without the vnc not working,,and the K12LTSP clients still can log in ok. I m just "wondering what causes this. 2. A few times after using Webmin,also, (and vnc no longer works) I go to the console,and ,alas,, I have several "segmentation faults"...when rebooting the affected server. ( hard drive corruption or just files having been deleted/corrupted somehow)???.Needless,,to say,,at this point the only option is to reformat,as I m dead in the water. Webmin is a very handy tool ,,but for now I m guessing I m only going to use it,"internally" inside of the LAN. This scenario has happend on all of our four K12LTSP servers over the last few months, so I m sure it isnt a "particular" hardware situation. BTW: thanks to all that posted on how to recover the "corrupted" root password,,but I've had no luck getting the root password to work after this scenario.Reformat time(ugh!). Possibly someone could post a: 1. xxxx 2. xxxx 3. xxxx format to walk a dummy like me,,through the root password recovery process. I can do the Rescue Disk recovery from a boot,CD,and get to the command line,,but then a cant get to the "change root password"... command? Just wondering if anyone has used Webmin,, much,,and experienced the same results? Thanks,, Barry CIsna RR1 Box 213 Gladstone, IL 61437 brcisna at frontiernet.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have read several posts a few months back ,were other users,,,can no longer vnc to their servers, and hope this may be a fix for someone,as well. BTW: FYI, Uninstalling and reinstalling the vnc-server RPM,,did not fix this which was my first stab at resolving this issue. Here's another head scratcher. I noticed on one of our servers, there are >no< files in the boot folder, hidden,,or otherwise! I dont have a clue how this server even boots up,,but it works fine?..There are none of the vmliniz,grub.conf. initrd files to be found?.. ( i need to quite hacking around with Webmin, me thinks!) Take Care, Barry CIsna RR1 Box 213 Gladstone, IL 61437 brcisna at frontiernet.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks to everyone here who worked on making the PPC support so seemless! -Eric From ascensiontech at gmail.com Sun Mar 13 01:44:42 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Ascension Tech) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 20:44:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] sound with pcmcia boot Message-ID: <9bd317560503121744c6619b9@mail.gmail.com> I started booting some laptops with the wireless_ltsp floppy and pcmcia ethernet adapters. They boot but I can't get sound i think mainly because it's looking for /opt/ltsp/i386/lib/modules/2.4.19-ltsp-1/modprobe.deps and I have /opt/ltsp/i386/lib/modules/2.4.26-ltsp-2/modprobe.deps. I was thinking of hacking the wireless floppy and substituting the the 2.4.26 vmlinuz on the boot floppy but it wont fit. It's 1.9Mb. Maybe it's not as easy as that. Any ideas on how to deal with this? Or do I have to wait till the wireless_ltsp floppy agrees with my kernel? If it is as easy as swapping out "vmlinuzes" I wish the wireless_ltsp package had instructions on how to burn boot cds with different kernels. Thanks in advance, Peter From cliebow at downeast.net Sun Mar 13 03:07:33 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 03:07:33 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] First test build of 4.2.1, with PPC terminal support Message-ID: <200503130204.j2D24kP25371@downeast.net> eric: not sure how you have dhcpd.conf set up..but i have seen that some of the extended options placed in global section seem to interfer with other macs on the network getting an ip address..what options did you use? chuck > > I have uploaded a first test build of K12LTSP 4.2.1. In addition to all > of the official Fedora updates, this build includes support for PPC > terminals. > > An out-of-the-box install will boot my PowerBook G4. I have not tried any > other PPC terminals, nor have I verfied that upgrades work as expected. > > So proceed with caution, this is not ready for production use... > > If you are brave enough to try it, please let us know if 1) you tried .> upgrading an existing server (non -producton, test servers only!) and > 2) what PPC boxes you tried to use as terminals and whether or not they > worked. > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/4.2.1/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/4.2.1/ . > > > Thanks to everyone here who worked on making the PPC support so seemless! > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Mar 13 05:36:14 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 21:36:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] First test build of 4.2.1, with PPC terminal support In-Reply-To: <200503130204.j2D24kP25371@downeast.net> References: <200503130204.j2D24kP25371@downeast.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > eric: not sure how you have dhcpd.conf set up..but i have seen that some of > the extended options placed in global section seem to interfer with other > macs on the network getting an ip address..what options did you use? chuck I used the dhcpd.conf attached to the email Jim Kronebusch sent out two days ago: https://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2005-March/msg00394.html -Eric >> >> I have uploaded a first test build of K12LTSP 4.2.1. In addition to all >> of the official Fedora updates, this build includes support for PPC >> terminals. >> >> An out-of-the-box install will boot my PowerBook G4. I have not tried any >> other PPC terminals, nor have I verfied that upgrades work as expected. >> >> So proceed with caution, this is not ready for production use... >> >> If you are brave enough to try it, please let us know if 1) you tried > .> upgrading an existing server (non > -producton, test servers only!) and >> 2) what PPC boxes you tried to use as terminals and whether or not they >> worked. >> >> ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/4.2.1/ >> rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/4.2.1/ . >> >> >> Thanks to everyone here who worked on making the PPC support so seemless! >> >> -Eric >> From nelsda at yahoo.com Sun Mar 13 06:56:27 2005 From: nelsda at yahoo.com (David D. Nelson) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 22:56:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Can't see internet on fresh 4.2.0 install Message-ID: <20050313065627.71154.qmail@web51904.mail.yahoo.com> I can't get a new install of K12LTSP 4.2.0 to see the internet. I have a static IP which is connected to eth1. I have set the correct ip, mask, and gateway according to what my ISP provided. I know they work because I can connect with a windows box using the same settings. I can ping eth1's ip but when I try to ping anything on the outside I get a message which says something like network not reachable. I finally did a default install to see if it was something I did wrong and it still doesn't work. Could there be some firewall settings I need to set? If so, how/what do I set them to? At this point I don't need to host anything. I just want my terminals back and be able to have the LTSP box be a firewall and router to the internet. Thank you. David D. Nelson nelsda at yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From jtloper1 at earthlink.net Sun Mar 13 09:26:44 2005 From: jtloper1 at earthlink.net (Jeff Loper) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 01:26:44 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Diskless Client hostname and IP info Message-ID: <200503131021.j2DAL4Ec008914@mx1.redhat.com> Is there a wayto determine what the IP address and hostname of the diskless client you are logged it to? I wan to figure this out so I can run local apps. THX -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Sun Mar 13 12:01:19 2005 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:01:19 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Starting work on 4.2.1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1110715279.16871.53.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2005-03-06 at 20:59 -0800, Eric Harrison wrote: > I'm finally back from three week's worth of vacation, R&D work, & > conferences. > > I started work on K12LTSP 4.2.1. So far I have included all of the > security & bug fixes. > > What is new that should be considered for inclusion? Off the top of > my head: > > * the official Fedora Extras repository > * Inkscape > > Is the LDAP script ready to be included? (perhaps just in /opt/ltsp/scripts?) > > -Eric Eric - a REQUEST: I really find that I keep coming back to GALEON as my preferred browser, so I'd like to see that as an alternative option to Firefox. Since they're both built on Mozilla it shouldn't be too much to ask, right?? ;-) WHY? 1/ Until you've tried it you won't appreciate that it offers far better usability options than Mozilla and Firefox for tabbed browsing - a usability feature that I've embraced with a vengeance since discovering Galeon's tabs. 2/ Early versions used to be memory and CPU hogs and crashed a lot. Maybe because of this it has VERY good crash recovery and when restarting offered to restore previous session or save tabs and windows as bookmarks. New versions are now very stable and not memory hogs, yet they still offer that same session restore in cases where you have to kill some runaway processes (BTW: I've had some cases recently where runaway processes have taken down other applications, such as Galeon). On the other hand, when I've had to kill Firefox ALL the previous browsing session was lost (maybe it was in history, but not as convenient to restore the session as the method which Galeon offers) 3/ Out of the box Galeon offers other usability features like a spinner to increase text size in the page you are browsing (I know that you just hit CTL + in Firefox to zoom text, but that takes two hands instead of a mouse click) 4/ You have to use Dags repositories to get it by apt, and every time I use Dags it screws up everything else on my system :-( 5/ I've tried to build updates from source, but it seems that the unmet dependency list is vast :-( 6/ It seems like a good idea at the time ;-) Hope it doesn't make your life hell trying to service a (seemingly) lone request ;-) -- Regards, Gavin Chester, From mailinglists-after-041101_reply-not-possible at hpc.dk Sun Mar 13 12:17:51 2005 From: mailinglists-after-041101_reply-not-possible at hpc.dk (Henning Wangerin) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 13:17:51 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Network FAX system vs. 12 FAX numbers In-Reply-To: <1110551116.17460.31.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <2430954296.1110532516@[10.2.57.136]> <1110551116.17460.31.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1110716270.13391.36.camel@server.ltsp> On Fri, 2005-03-11 at 15:25, Les Mikesell wrote: > I think there are places that will sell inbound fax phone number > to email gateway services too. That way you can give out www.k7.net and www.efax.com is what I'm using, by forwarding my danish fax-numbers to a US-number. > numbers for each person that needs it and not have to deal > with sorting. Some of the fancier phone switches also include > fax reception along with voice mail for each station. Both www.k7.net and www.efax.com are free, but have some limitations, that you might be able to live with. Look on my fax-comparisation on www.wangerin.linux.dk. -- Henning Wangerin From HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG Sun Mar 13 12:39:51 2005 From: HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Burroughs, Henry) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 07:39:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Diskless Client hostname and IP info Message-ID: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D78420073FEB@hhpmail.MEDIA.LOCAL> Just go to the Hat->System Tools->Terminal and you will see what hostname you are logged into in the titlebar of the terminal program. Henry -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Loper [mailto:jtloper1 at earthlink.net] Sent: Sun 3/13/2005 4:26 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Cc: Subject: [K12OSN] Diskless Client hostname and IP info Is there a wayto determine what the IP address and hostname of the diskless client you are logged it to? I wan to figure this out so I can run local apps. THX -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2574 bytes Desc: not available URL: From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Sun Mar 13 12:55:18 2005 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:55:18 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] apt dist-upgrade problems Message-ID: <1110718518.16871.65.camel@localhost.localdomain> I tried an 'apt-get dist-upgrade' only a few days after the last 'apt- get upgrade' and got a few errors that have bamboozled this punter. With a bit of judicious cutting and pasting from the command line output it boils down to this: [root at local ~]# apt-get dist-upgrade Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done -snip- You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these. The following packages have unmet dependencies: fonts-xorg-truetype: Obsoletes: xorg-x11-truetype-fonts but 6.7.0-11 is installed E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f. ... that's one problem, then > [root at local ~]# apt-get dist-upgrade -f -snip- 1:raidtools ########################################### [ 17%] error: unpacking of archive failed on file /sbin/mkraid: cpio: lsetfilecon failed - Invalid argument 2:gnome-volume-manager ########################################### [ 33%] 3:openoffice.org-i18n ########################################### [ 50%] 4:openoffice.org ########################################### [ 67%] File '/usr/share/applications/fedora-scribus.desktop' contains invalid MIME type 'scd,scd.gz,sla,sla.gz' that contains invalid characters File '/usr/share/applications/fedora-scribus.desktop' contains invalid MIME type 'scd,scd.gz,sla,sla.gz' that contains invalid characters 5:openoffice.org-libs ########################################### [ 83%] 6:gamin-devel ########################################### [100%] W: Some errors occurred while running transaction I don't know if it a hint or a red herring, but I screwed up my rpm database by trying to use Dags repository one more time before removing it from my list and rebuilding the rpm database. The error above came after that process and rebuild. Are others seeing anything like this? Any hints about how to resolve it? -- Regards, Gavin Chester, From hick518 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 13 13:20:57 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 05:20:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] "standardizing" IP's in dhcpd.conf Message-ID: <20050313132057.23310.qmail@web41621.mail.yahoo.com> I'm trying to come up with a standard numbering scheme for my IP addresses. Here are the different categories of machines I can think of so far that could possibly be on my network: 1) devices -- routers, wireless AP's, print servers, etc 2) servers -- ltsp, dns, nfs, etc 3) workstations with static IPs 4) ltsp clients with static IPs 5) workstations with dhcp IPs 6) ltsp clients with dhcp IPs Can anybody think of any more? Since I still don't know exactly how ltsp and dhcp work, I'm not sure if #5 and #6 can share the same range of IP addresses or if they have to have unique ranges. Same goes for #3 and #4. Some of the standalone workstations will also be capable of booting over the network, and I would like a machine that has a static IP address as a workstation to have the same static IP address as an ltsp client. Any suggestions are welcome. -Rob __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From jam at mcquil.com Sun Mar 13 14:44:32 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 09:44:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Diskless Client hostname and IP info In-Reply-To: <200503131021.j2DAL4Ec008914@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200503131021.j2DAL4Ec008914@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: Jeff, Yeah, take a look at the $DISPLAY environment variable. It contains either the hostname or the IP address, followed by the display number. For example, ws001:0.0 Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Sun, 13 Mar 2005, Jeff Loper wrote: > Is there a wayto determine what the IP address and hostname of the diskless > client you are logged it to? I wan to figure this out so I can run local > apps. > > > > THX > > From cliebow at downeast.net Sun Mar 13 15:30:33 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 15:30:33 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] First test build of 4.2.1, with PPC terminal support Message-ID: <200503131427.j2DERgc04821@downeast.net> well let me clarify...i added several optinos to windows dhcp to pass the mac options ..in the global scope..and that seemed to bother ibooks getting an address..havnt got a look at the dhcpd.conf of jim's..seems to show as a bin file here.chuck > On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > > > eric: not sure how you have dhcpd.conf set up..but i have seen that some of > > the extended options placed in global section seem to interfer with other > > macs on the network getting an ip address..what options did you use? chuck > > > I used the dhcpd.conf attached to the email Jim Kronebusch sent out two > days ago: > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2005-March/msg00394.html > > -Eric > > >> > >> I have uploaded a first test build of K12LTSP 4.2.1. In addition to all > >> of the official Fedora updates, this build includes support for PPC > >> terminals. > >> > >> An out-of-the-box install will boot my PowerBook G4. I have not tried any > >> other PPC terminals, nor have I verfied that upgrades work as expected. > >> > >> So proceed with caution, this is not ready for production use... > >> > >> If you are brave enough to try it, please let us know if 1) you tried > > .> upgrading an existing server (non > > -producton, test servers only!) and > >> 2) what PPC boxes you tried to use as terminals and whether or not they > >> worked. > >> > >> ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/4.2.1/ > >> rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/4.2.1/ . > >> > >> > >> Thanks to everyone here who worked on making the PPC support so seemless! > >> > >> -Eric > >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From jam at mcquil.com Sun Mar 13 15:46:11 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 10:46:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] First test build of 4.2.1, with PPC terminal support In-Reply-To: <200503131427.j2DERgc04821@downeast.net> References: <200503131427.j2DERgc04821@downeast.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > well let me clarify...i added several optinos to windows dhcp to pass the > mac options ..in the global scope..and that seemed to bother ibooks getting > an address..havnt got a look at the dhcpd.conf of jim's..seems to show as a > bin file here.chuck Chuck, just save the file, and open it with vim. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org > > > On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > > > > > eric: not sure how you have dhcpd.conf set up..but i have seen that some of > > > the extended options placed in global section seem to interfer with other > > > macs on the network getting an ip address..what options did you use? chuck > > > > > > I used the dhcpd.conf attached to the email Jim Kronebusch sent out two > > days ago: > > > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2005-March/msg00394.html > > > > -Eric > > > > >> > > >> I have uploaded a first test build of K12LTSP 4.2.1. In addition to all > > >> of the official Fedora updates, this build includes support for PPC > > >> terminals. > > >> > > >> An out-of-the-box install will boot my PowerBook G4. I have not tried any > > >> other PPC terminals, nor have I verfied that upgrades work as expected. > > >> > > >> So proceed with caution, this is not ready for production use... > > >> > > >> If you are brave enough to try it, please let us know if 1) you tried > > > .> upgrading an existing server (non > > > -producton, test servers only!) and > > >> 2) what PPC boxes you tried to use as terminals and whether or not they > > >> worked. > > >> > > >> ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/4.2.1/ > > >> rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/4.2.1/ . > > >> > > >> > > >> Thanks to everyone here who worked on making the PPC support so seemless! > > >> > > >> -Eric > > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From wescott at sc.rr.com Sun Mar 13 18:04:08 2005 From: wescott at sc.rr.com (Michael C Wescott) Date: 13 Mar 2005 13:04:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] vnc fix for "no vncserver not found" In-Reply-To: <001901c5272d$905e06e0$01fea8c0@brcHOST> References: <001901c5272d$905e06e0$01fea8c0@brcHOST> Message-ID: <1110737048.24179.7.camel@eriadne> On Sat, 2005-03-12 at 13:01, Barry R Cisna wrote: [...] > Here's another head scratcher. I noticed on one of our servers, > there are >no< files in the boot folder, hidden,,or otherwise! I dont > have a clue how this server even boots up,,but it works fine?..There > are none of the vmliniz,grub.conf. initrd files to be found?.. They're not missing. The filesystem that contains /boot is not mounted. Most likely, the entry for /boot in the /etc/fstab has been removed or modified. From mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us Sun Mar 13 18:14:25 2005 From: mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us (mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 13:14:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Dovecot mbox warning and question In-Reply-To: References: <200503131427.j2DERgc04821@downeast.net> Message-ID: <1369.24.2.210.202.1110737665.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> About a week ago, I upgraded our email system (postfix, UWimap, squirrelmail) from FC1 to (postfix, dovecot, squirrelmail) on FC3 using the K12LTSP CD's. Shortly after the upgrade, I started getting word back of corruption of folders. Some teachers could not logon to squirrelmail because their inbox had been corrupted. More often there was corruption to the Sent and Trash folders. Fortunately, most of the corruption could be fixed by a simple editor, but I have no idea whether messages were lost. After some investigation, it appears the authors of dovecot are saying that dovecot (.99) is buggy with the mbox format and that version 1 of dovecot, with a significant rewrite, should be tried. This is not for me. This morning (Sunday), I shut down dovecot and installed the UWimap binary rpm from FC1 into FC3. It appears to be working well, but am I really exposed using the FC1 binary on FC3? There is no rpm for UWimap for FC3. I know that there are some security issues with this version of UWimap, but our use of imap is primarily over 127.0.0.1 for squirrelmail. There are another five users using Outlook with imap only on our local subnet. Mark Orenstein East Granby, CT School System From les at futuresource.com Sun Mar 13 19:03:52 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 13:03:52 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Dovecot mbox warning and question In-Reply-To: <1369.24.2.210.202.1110737665.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> References: <200503131427.j2DERgc04821@downeast.net> <1369.24.2.210.202.1110737665.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> Message-ID: <1110740632.3499.20.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2005-03-13 at 12:14, mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us wrote: > This morning (Sunday), I shut down dovecot and installed the UWimap binary > rpm from FC1 into FC3. It appears to be working well, but am I really > exposed using the FC1 binary on FC3? There is no rpm for UWimap for FC3. I replied to a similar message that was probably yours on the fedora list but if the binary runs you are probably OK, and if it didn't you could rebuild most src rpms across fedora versions. However maildir format is really better for imap because the one message per file scheme avoids locking issues during delivery and deletions. If you are using procmail for delivery you can have it use maildir instead - and I think postfix can do it directly as well. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From ericbrown at mi-spot.com Sun Mar 13 20:07:30 2005 From: ericbrown at mi-spot.com (Eric Brown) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 14:07:30 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] more exposure Message-ID: <200503131956.j2DJuVt27224@www.mi-spot.com> Hello all, I saw an article about open source in the Des Moines Register a few weeks ago. I wrote the guy and told him how I thought it was a great article, and that I liked to use open source in my classroom, and I'd be happy to talk with him about it if he's interested. I've already gotten one phone call from an IT person, hopefully there'll be more. http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050313/BUSINES S03/503130322 &SearchID=73201850482291 Just one more piece of exposure for K12LTSP. Eric -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Done > > -snip- > > You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these. > The following packages have unmet dependencies: > fonts-xorg-truetype: Obsoletes: xorg-x11-truetype-fonts but 6.7.0-11 > is installed > E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f. Run as stated: apt-get -f install That fixed most of my dependency problems. Richard. > ... that's one problem, then > > > [root at local ~]# apt-get dist-upgrade -f > > -snip- > > 1:raidtools ########################################### > [ 17%] > error: unpacking of archive failed on file /sbin/mkraid: cpio: > lsetfilecon failed - Invalid argument > 2:gnome-volume-manager ########################################### > [ 33%] > 3:openoffice.org-i18n ########################################### > [ 50%] > 4:openoffice.org ########################################### > [ 67%] > File '/usr/share/applications/fedora-scribus.desktop' contains invalid > MIME type 'scd,scd.gz,sla,sla.gz' that contains invalid characters > File '/usr/share/applications/fedora-scribus.desktop' contains invalid > MIME type 'scd,scd.gz,sla,sla.gz' that contains invalid characters > 5:openoffice.org-libs ########################################### > [ 83%] > 6:gamin-devel ########################################### > [100%] > W: Some errors occurred while running transaction > > I don't know if it a hint or a red herring, but I screwed up my rpm > database by trying to use Dags repository one more time before removing > it from my list and rebuilding the rpm database. The error above came > after that process and rebuild. > > Are others seeing anything like this? Any hints about how to resolve > it? > > > -- > Regards, > Gavin Chester, > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Mon Mar 14 01:05:22 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 19:05:22 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Root Password corrupts?...more details In-Reply-To: <001a01c52701$5268fd30$01fea8c0@brcHOST> References: <001a01c52701$5268fd30$01fea8c0@brcHOST> Message-ID: <4234E352.50501@maltzen.net> Here's a more simple approach to fixing the 'lost' root password problem, although it does allow for a *very* bried security hole: 1. Boot the system from CD, either the RH in rescue mode as others have suggested; or you can use a Knoppix disk. Knoppix might have trouble with some SCSI controllers (I've got some Compaq ML350s in which Knoppix doesn't recognize the SCSI controller), so the RH route might be more reliable. 2. cd to / and create a directory to use as a mountpoint. cd / mkdir xx . Mount the partition of the hard disk that contains /etc (probably under /) onto athe new mountpoint. For example mount /dev/hda1 /xx/ 3. cd into /xx/etc/ and edit the passwd file, removing the x in the second field for root's ID; in other words, change root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash to root::0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash Save the file, and reboot the system, remove the CD, so that you boot as normal. When you get to the login prompt, login as root, and the system should let you in without a password. CREATE A PASSWORD IMMEDIATELY! Just run the passwd command. This brief period where root doesn't require a password is the small temporary vulnerability window I mentioned. If you're really paranoid, just unplug the network cable from the box until you get the new root password set. Petre Barry R Cisna wrote: > I wanted to add more details to my previous post on this delima. > Besides the root password ,corrupting, I also have had a couple > other things ,that I beleive are related to using Webmin. > I 'm thinking one constant is that this has always happened when > using Webmin >remotely<( from home.) > Wondering if going through our NAT box/firewall,,,that Webmin sees > both servers as the same "external" IP addrress? > > Another thing that has happend is after using Webmin,,a few > times,remoteley is,,,that VNC will quite working. > If I try and even do a manual start of vnc server vnc fails to > start. I have never gotten vnc to work/start again,after this. I've > tryed to look at all of the vnc settings/config files and cant see what > has changed (or even possible files that have disappered > ,pertaining to vnc). I even done a --force install of the vnc/vnc-server > rpm to see if it clears this up,,but no joy:(. > I can live without the vnc not working,,and the K12LTSP clients > still can log in ok. I m just "wondering what causes this. > > 2. A few times after using Webmin,also, (and vnc no longer works) I > go to the console,and ,alas,, I have several "segmentation > faults"...when rebooting the affected server. ( hard drive corruption or > just files having been deleted/corrupted somehow)???.Needless,,to > say,,at this point the only option is to reformat,as I m dead in the water. > Webmin is a very handy tool ,,but for now I m guessing I m only > going to use it,"internally" inside of the LAN. > This scenario has happend on all of our four K12LTSP servers over > the last few months, so I m sure it isnt a "particular" hardware situation. > > BTW: thanks to all that posted on how to recover the "corrupted" > root password,,but I've had no luck getting the root password to work > after this scenario.Reformat time(ugh!). > > Possibly someone could post a: > 1. xxxx > 2. xxxx > 3. xxxx > format to walk a dummy like me,,through the root password recovery > process. > > I can do the Rescue Disk recovery from a boot,CD,and get to the > command line,,but then a cant get to the "change root password"... command? > > Just wondering if anyone has used Webmin,, much,,and experienced the > same results? > > Thanks,, > > Barry CIsna > RR1 Box 213 > Gladstone, IL 61437 > > brcisna at frontiernet.net > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Mon Mar 14 01:20:56 2005 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 09:20:56 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] apt dist-upgrade problems In-Reply-To: <200503130929.59010.niurkaholt@cantv.net> References: <1110718518.16871.65.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200503130929.59010.niurkaholt@cantv.net> Message-ID: <1110763257.20349.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2005-03-13 at 09:29 -0400, Richard-nh wrote: > > You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these. > > The following packages have unmet dependencies: > > fonts-xorg-truetype: Obsoletes: xorg-x11-truetype-fonts but > 6.7.0-11 > > is installed > > E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f. > > Run as stated: > apt-get -f install > > That fixed most of my dependency problems. > > Richard. Thanks, Richard but I did follow the instruction about the -f that apt gave me and that's when I got this list of errors (below) that I reported in my first post. It's this that worries me: 1:raidtools ########################################### [ 17%] error: unpacking of archive failed on file /sbin/mkraid: cpio: lsetfilecon failed - Invalid argument 2:gnome-volume-manager ########################################### [ 33%] 3:openoffice.org-i18n ########################################### [ 50%] 4:openoffice.org ########################################### [ 67%] File '/usr/share/applications/fedora-scribus.desktop' contains invalid MIME type 'scd,scd.gz,sla,sla.gz' that contains invalid characters File '/usr/share/applications/fedora-scribus.desktop' contains invalid MIME type 'scd,scd.gz,sla,sla.gz' that contains invalid characters 5:openoffice.org-libs ########################################### [ 83%] 6:gamin-devel ########################################### [100%] W: Some errors occurred while running transaction Is there problem with that output and can I take action to correct the upgrade? Any hints or reassurances welcome :-) -- Regards, Gavin Chester, From steve.honeycutt at gmail.com Mon Mar 14 01:33:41 2005 From: steve.honeycutt at gmail.com (Steve Honeycutt) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 19:33:41 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] apt dist-upgrade problems In-Reply-To: <1110763257.20349.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1110718518.16871.65.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200503130929.59010.niurkaholt@cantv.net> <1110763257.20349.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <61bfa74305031317332fe4738b@mail.gmail.com> As an innocent bystander... below is the command you ran: (Quoted from your original post) [root at local ~]# apt-get dist-upgrade -f And the command that was suggested in your output is: apt-get -f install Just as in life, even moreso in *nix commands... words(wording) are critical. ;^ ) On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 09:20:56 +0800, Gavin Chester wrote: > On Sun, 2005-03-13 at 09:29 -0400, Richard-nh wrote: > > > You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these. > > > The following packages have unmet dependencies: > > > fonts-xorg-truetype: Obsoletes: xorg-x11-truetype-fonts but > > 6.7.0-11 > > > is installed > > > E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f. > > > > Run as stated: > > apt-get -f install > > > > That fixed most of my dependency problems. > > > > Richard. > > Thanks, Richard but I did follow the instruction about the -f that apt > gave me and that's when I got this list of errors (below) that I > reported in my first post. It's this that worries me: > > 1:raidtools ########################################### > [ 17%] > error: unpacking of archive failed on file /sbin/mkraid: cpio: > lsetfilecon failed - Invalid argument > 2:gnome-volume-manager ########################################### > [ 33%] > 3:openoffice.org-i18n ########################################### > [ 50%] > 4:openoffice.org ########################################### > [ 67%] > File '/usr/share/applications/fedora-scribus.desktop' contains invalid > MIME type 'scd,scd.gz,sla,sla.gz' that contains invalid characters > File '/usr/share/applications/fedora-scribus.desktop' contains invalid > MIME type 'scd,scd.gz,sla,sla.gz' that contains invalid characters > 5:openoffice.org-libs ########################################### > [ 83%] > 6:gamin-devel ########################################### > [100%] > W: Some errors occurred while running transaction > > Is there problem with that output and can I take action to correct the > upgrade? Any hints or reassurances welcome :-) > > -- > Regards, > Gavin Chester, > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Best Regards, Steve www.slicehaven.com From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Mon Mar 14 02:33:31 2005 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:33:31 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] apt dist-upgrade problems In-Reply-To: <61bfa74305031317332fe4738b@mail.gmail.com> References: <1110718518.16871.65.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200503130929.59010.niurkaholt@cantv.net> <1110763257.20349.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <61bfa74305031317332fe4738b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1110767611.20349.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2005-03-13 at 19:33 -0600, Steve Honeycutt wrote: > As an innocent bystander... below is the command you ran: > > (Quoted from your original post) > [root at local ~]# apt-get dist-upgrade -f > > And the command that was suggested in your output is: > apt-get -f install > > Just as in life, even moreso in *nix commands... words(wording) are > critical. ;^ ) Sorry! If you're seeming to duck for cover then I must have come across as rude :-(. I didn't mean to, I was just a little worried that I'd broken something and I see now that I did use the wrong syntax as you say. However, I've since checked for broken dependencies and done a new round of update, upgrade and then dist-upgrade and one error remains that is independent of syntax errors on my part - and which still has me concerned. This is the latest output: Checking GPG signatures... Committing changes... Preparing... ########################################### [100%] 1:raidtools ########################################### [100%] error: unpacking of archive failed on file /sbin/mkraid: cpio: lsetfilecon failed - Invalid argument W: Some errors occurred while running transaction Has anyone seen this in the last hour or two? Will it be fixed by waiting for the next upgrade package? I suppose I don't need to worry since I don't use raidtools, but nice to have a clean system :-) -- Regards, Gavin Chester, From steve.honeycutt at gmail.com Mon Mar 14 03:17:59 2005 From: steve.honeycutt at gmail.com (Steve Honeycutt) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 21:17:59 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] apt dist-upgrade problems In-Reply-To: <1110767611.20349.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1110718518.16871.65.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200503130929.59010.niurkaholt@cantv.net> <1110763257.20349.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <61bfa74305031317332fe4738b@mail.gmail.com> <1110767611.20349.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <61bfa74305031319173a595218@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:33:31 +0800, Gavin Chester wrote: > > Sorry! If you're seeming to duck for cover then I must have come across > as rude :-(. I didn't mean to, I was just a little worried that I'd > broken something and I see now that I did use the wrong syntax as you > say. You didn't come off rude, Gavin. I monitor this list as a *nix nOObie (my reference of an innocent bystander), trying to absorb tips and tricks of the trade. -- Best Regards, Steve www.slicehaven.com From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Mon Mar 14 03:35:56 2005 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 16:35:56 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap changing password In-Reply-To: <20050309180749.GC9387@majen.net> Message-ID: <200503140336.j2E3aKS9028726@dbmail-mx3.orcon.net.nz> [Krsnendu dasa] I reinstalled K12LTSP 4.2 and installed ldapsmb using the installer. Now it is working. I had to reboot K12LTSP to get it to work though. It would be good to mention this in the HOWTO if this is something everyone will have to do. Now I can login to windows and linux using the same username and password. Is there any way users can change their own passwords? With just K12LTSP I gave the users a standard password and they were able to change it themselves using preferences/password. They enter their existing password then they enter the password of their choice twice. I tried doing this after the smbldap install. If first prompted for the current password (this time ldap was mentioned in the prompt) then it said new UNIX password. After doing this I could notice no change. Logging in to K12LTSP wouldn't accept the new password. It worked using the original password. Login to windows also uses the original password. Is there any way the users can change their own password the gets saved in ldap-smb? From sudev at m4linux.com Mon Mar 14 06:09:05 2005 From: sudev at m4linux.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:39:05 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Installing 4.2.0 via NFS (please HELP!) In-Reply-To: <20050309194456.56053.qmail@web52905.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050309194456.56053.qmail@web52905.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1110780545.18689.7.camel@server.ltsp> On Wed, 2005-03-09 at 11:44 -0800, richard ingalls wrote: > For reasons beyond my understanding, I CANNOT install > from my CD ROM. It boots from CD, normal boot screen, > hit at the prompt to begin normal install, > then no GUI and it asks me where I want to install > from: CD, hard drive, NFS, HTTP, etc. If I choose > CDROM it tells me it cannot find a CDROM drive to > mount. SO, I have copied the .ISOs to the hard drive > of this PC as well as to another LTSP server in my > building. I have exported the directory (NFS) where > these .ISOs are located on the remote server, so I'm > ready to try installing via NFS. On the other machine make a directory in your http tree...for a standard RedHat / Fedora it is /var/www/html/ Mount the first CD and using nautilus / konqueror and open the CD's files (not iso) and copy all including subdirectories to the newly created directory. Mount the second CD and copy only the files in RPMS subdirectory to the RPMS sub-directory under the new directory. Repeat for the third / fourth. Start apache server by giving command: #service httpd restart Start the install with command "linux askmethod" Choose http as source and provide needed IP etc. to start the install. HTH -- Sudev Barar From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Mon Mar 14 08:47:57 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 08:47:57 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap changing password References: <200503140336.j2E3aKS9028726@dbmail-mx3.orcon.net.nz> Message-ID: <015701c52872$852a6ca0$65c8a8c0@brianwork> Krsnendu dasa wrote: > [Krsnendu dasa] I reinstalled K12LTSP 4.2 and installed ldapsmb using > the installer. Now it is working. I had to reboot K12LTSP to get it > to work though. It would be good to mention this in the HOWTO if this > is something everyone will have to do. > > Now I can login to windows and linux using the same username and > password. > > Is there any way users can change their own passwords? With just > K12LTSP I gave the users a standard password and they were able to > change it themselves using preferences/password. They enter their > existing password then they enter the password of their choice twice. > > I tried doing this after the smbldap install. If first prompted for > the current password (this time ldap was mentioned in the prompt) > then it said new UNIX password. After doing this I could notice no > change. Logging in to K12LTSP wouldn't accept the new password. It > worked using the original password. > > Login to windows also uses the original password. > > Is there any way the users can change their own password the gets > saved in ldap-smb? > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see What clients are you trying to use to change password, Windows or Linux ?? Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From ascensiontech at gmail.com Mon Mar 14 08:31:58 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Ascension Tech) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 03:31:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] *INEXPENSIVE* mobo/cpu options? In-Reply-To: <419B968F.5020009@glenwood.k12.mo.us> References: <41990D01.8040700@glenwood.k12.mo.us> <419A5D2F.5070802@physics.isu.edu> <419A9716.6060209@cmosnetworks.com> <419B968F.5020009@glenwood.k12.mo.us> Message-ID: <9bd31756050314003165071d50@mail.gmail.com> Hey Richard, I don't know if your still having sound problems with the Optiplex gx1 but I just got mine working with this: SMODULE_01 = "cs4232 io=0x220 irq=7 dma=1" Mine have the crystal cs4236b chipset. Best wishes, Peter On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 12:21:03 -0600, Richard K. Ingalls wrote: > Terrell Prud?, Jr. wrote: > > > I've tried Dell Optiplex PII machines in the past, but mind you, they > > had SoundBlaster16 sound cards in them. I know that all the other > > hardware works just fine; our Optiplexes use 3Com 3C905 network > > chipsets and ATI 3D Rage video chipsets in them--all stuff that's > > LTSP-friendly. > > > > --TP > > yes. i've purchased several Dell Optiplex GX1 and GX100 boxes in the > past that worked just fine and they even have PXE booting (the GX1's)! > i haven't been able to configure sound on these boxes yet, but haven't > spent much time on them. i wish i could find some more of them... > > > > > Steve Hargadon wrote: > > > >> Richard (et al.): > >> > >> I have come to LTSP with a background of selling used computers for 16 > >> years. Our primary line is the Dell Optiplex. We like them since > >> they have lifetime tech support from Dell and are extremely > >> well-built, using the same components over long periods of time. > >> > >> Since I haven't yet tackled the sound issue, I'd be interested in > >> sending someone a test unit who is familiar with sound to see how the > >> Optiplexes do in that regard. I'm personally working on an Optiplex > >> P1-166 as my workstation for my home-office, and I use an Optiplex > >> small form factor 866 when I go out and do demonstrations. > >> > >> Steve > >> > >> > >> On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 13:03:59 -0700, Ben Nickell > >> wrote: > >> > >> > >>> Richard K. Ingalls wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> i may just buy refurbished IBM NetVista's online: ... > >>>> > >>>> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1027007&sku=J156-2040 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> Has anyone tried these boxes with K12LTSP? Do you know more details > >>> about the network, video, and sound? The page doesn't mention specific > >>> chipset or drivers, so I may have to buy one to try it out. > >>> > >>> Ben > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> K12OSN mailing list > >>> K12OSN at redhat.com > >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>> For more info see > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > =========================================================== > "He is no fool who gives up what he cannot keep > for that which he cannot lose." > -- Jim Elliott > > RICHARD K. INGALLS > Director of Information Technology > Glenwood R-8 School District > West Plains, MO > > email..ringalls (at) glenwood.k12.mo.us > web....http://glenwood.k12.mo.us > ph.....417.256.4849 > fax....417.257.2567 > > "Miracles are a retelling in small letters > of the very same story which is written across > the whole world in letters too large > for some of us to see." > -- C. S. Lewis > =========================================================== > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From hick518 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 14 11:40:56 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 03:40:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Passing Parameter to kernel :- option option-129 "DPORT=1067"; In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050314114056.18411.qmail@web41624.mail.yahoo.com> Did you ever figure this one out? I'm having a similar problem. -Rob --- Putu Agus wrote: > Dear All, > I'm running the DHCP server with different port. > It seems that parameter(DPORT="1067")in dhpcd.conf > no impact, when the client boot the process. > option option-129 "DPORT=1067"; > > I've read > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/DHCP#Use_different_port_numbers_for_t > I've created customize the ROM image to run on port > 1067 (http://www.rom-o-matic.net). > > on the system(K12LTSP)server: > #ps -ef|grep 1067 > root 4806 1 0 17:05 ? /usr/sbin/dhcpd -p 1067 -q > eth0 > > on the client screen: > Loading room image... > Rom Segment .... > Etherboot 5.2.6(GPL)... > This Etherboot uses non-standard port 1067 and 1068 > Relocating _text ... > Boot from (N)network or (Q)uit ? > ... > ... > ... > Running dhcpcd on port 67 <--- Why is it using 67 ? > > ERROR! dhcpcd failed! > kernel panic:.... > > > > > One thing that I haven't try is to compile the > kernel. > > Is there any way other than compiling the kernel ? > > > Thanks > ~Pap > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca Mon Mar 14 12:27:42 2005 From: GLessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca (Guy-Michel Lessard) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 07:27:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Where can i get a netboot floppy image for smc91c92_cs cardbus (pcmcia) Message-ID: I tried romomatic and downloaded the smc9000 image but it's looking for PCI and ISA card (i did not find a compile option for cardbus). P.S. If someone knows of a good howto for booting laptops please point me in the right direction. Thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Good luck http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=80408&package_id=97496 &release_id=190646 _____ From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Guy-Michel Lessard Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 6:28 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Where can i get a netboot floppy image for smc91c92_cscardbus (pcmcia) I tried romomatic and downloaded the smc9000 image but it's looking for PCI and ISA card (i did not find a compile option for cardbus). P.S. If someone knows of a good howto for booting laptops please point me in the right direction. Thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gary.frederick at jsoft.com Mon Mar 14 12:42:44 2005 From: gary.frederick at jsoft.com (Gary Frederick) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 06:42:44 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Where can i get a netboot floppy image for smc91c92_cscardbus (pcmcia) In-Reply-To: <200503141225.j2ECPpt14104@www.mi-spot.com> References: <200503141225.j2ECPpt14104@www.mi-spot.com> Message-ID: <423586C4.5010309@jsoft.com> This boot floppy is working well for me. Thanks for the pointer. Let us know how it works with laptops. Gary Eric Brown wrote: > I?m putting a link on here of the boot floppy I use. I?ve used this on > about a dozen different machines successfully. Each time, it just > works. I will admit I haven?t tried it on a laptop yet (my laptop will > automatically boot from the network). > > > > Good luck > > > > http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=80408&package_id=97496&release_id=190646 > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] *On > Behalf Of *Guy-Michel Lessard > *Sent:* Monday, March 14, 2005 6:28 AM > *To:* k12osn at redhat.com > *Subject:* [K12OSN] Where can i get a netboot floppy image for > smc91c92_cscardbus (pcmcia) > > > > I tried romomatic and downloaded the smc9000 image but it's looking for > PCI and ISA card (i did not find a compile option for cardbus). > > P.S. If someone knows of a good howto for booting laptops please point > me in the right direction. > > Thanks > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Mar 14 13:26:48 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 08:26:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] First test build of 4.2.1, with PPC terminal support In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I will test it tomorrow (will download tonight). Like Chuck I have a pile of iBooks to test with. Just curious....what command did you use at the Open Firmware to instruct it to boot to LTSP? Also....since I can't test yet....does holding down the option key present you with a network boot option (LTSP) and/or does holding down the "N" key also work in this case.....I know it works for netboot, but curious about etherboot/LTSP. "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Saturday, March 12, 2005 at 7:33 PM +0000 wrote: > >I have uploaded a first test build of K12LTSP 4.2.1. In addition to all >of the official Fedora updates, this build includes support for PPC >terminals. > >An out-of-the-box install will boot my PowerBook G4. I have not tried any >other PPC terminals, nor have I verfied that upgrades work as expected. > >So proceed with caution, this is not ready for production use... > >If you are brave enough to try it, please let us know if 1) you tried >upgrading an existing server (non-producton, test servers only!) and >2) what PPC boxes you tried to use as terminals and whether or not they >worked. > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/4.2.1/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/4.2.1/ . > > >Thanks to everyone here who worked on making the PPC support so seemless! > >-Eric David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Mon Mar 14 14:33:10 2005 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 08:33:10 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Can't see internet on fresh 4.2.0 install In-Reply-To: <20050313065627.71154.qmail@web51904.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050313065627.71154.qmail@web51904.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4235A0A6.2000407@saskforestcentre.ca> This happened to me, and was traced down to an ACPI bug in the BIOS. Anyway, the solution was to add acpi=off to the kernel command line. You can test that by editting the command line at boot time using grub's tools for doing that. If you want to test it permanently, you can edit /etc/grub.conf and add it there. This may not be the problem, but it has happened to others. Angus Carr. David D. Nelson wrote: >I can't get a new install of K12LTSP 4.2.0 to see the >internet. I have a static IP which is connected to >eth1. I have set the correct ip, mask, and gateway >according to what my ISP provided. I know they work >because I can connect with a windows box using the >same settings. I can ping eth1's ip but when I try to >ping anything on the outside I get a message which >says something like network not reachable. I finally >did a default install to see if it was something I did >wrong and it still doesn't work. Could there be some >firewall settings I need to set? If so, how/what do I >set them to? At this point I don't need to host >anything. I just want my terminals back and be able to >have the LTSP box be a firewall and router to the >internet. > >Thank you. > > >David D. Nelson >nelsda at yahoo.com > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! >http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > > From mpribik at zoznam.sk Mon Mar 14 14:33:43 2005 From: mpribik at zoznam.sk (M.Pribik) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 15:33:43 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Names of the lodged users? Message-ID: <001401c528a2$d344ed90$0100a8c0@Marian> 1Q. If the user on the station LSTP is lodged, in the list from the command # ps -AF sometimes I can see the login's name of the user in the first column , sometimes the UID number only. Why it is so? What does it depend on? I would like to see the names there. 2Q. From the command #w or #who I cannot see the all users lodged from stations of LTSP. There is allways the root , and sometimes one or two users. But on the server are lodged more clients. Why cannot I see them all? Thank you. Marian. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Mar 14 14:49:31 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 06:49:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] First test build of 4.2.1, with PPC terminal support In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 14 Mar 2005, David Trask wrote: > I will test it tomorrow (will download tonight). Like Chuck I have a pile > of iBooks to test with. Just curious....what command did you use at the > Open Firmware to instruct it to boot to LTSP? Also....since I can't test > yet....does holding down the option key present you with a network boot > option (LTSP) and/or does holding down the "N" key also work in this > case.....I know it works for netboot, but curious about etherboot/LTSP. Holding down the "N" key works, I have not tried the option key (which *should* work) "boot enet:192.168.0.254" from the open firmware prompt works as well. -Eric > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Saturday, March 12, 2005 at 7:33 PM +0000 wrote: >> >> I have uploaded a first test build of K12LTSP 4.2.1. In addition to all >> of the official Fedora updates, this build includes support for PPC >> terminals. >> >> An out-of-the-box install will boot my PowerBook G4. I have not tried any >> other PPC terminals, nor have I verfied that upgrades work as expected. >> >> So proceed with caution, this is not ready for production use... >> >> If you are brave enough to try it, please let us know if 1) you tried >> upgrading an existing server (non-producton, test servers only!) and >> 2) what PPC boxes you tried to use as terminals and whether or not they >> worked. >> >> ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/4.2.1/ >> rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/4.2.1/ . >> >> >> Thanks to everyone here who worked on making the PPC support so seemless! >> >> -Eric From hick518 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 14 14:55:32 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 06:55:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Can't see internet on fresh 4.2.0 install In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050314145533.2192.qmail@web41609.mail.yahoo.com> Try pinging 64.233.161.99 (www.google.com). I've had problems w/ my internet connection that turned out to be problems w/ my DNS settings. If you can ping the IP address, then your internet connection is working but you may have to define your DNS server. -Rob --- "David D. Nelson" wrote: > I can't get a new install of K12LTSP 4.2.0 to see > the > internet. I have a static IP which is connected to > eth1. I have set the correct ip, mask, and gateway > according to what my ISP provided. I know they work > because I can connect with a windows box using the > same settings. I can ping eth1's ip but when I try > to > ping anything on the outside I get a message which > says something like network not reachable. I finally > did a default install to see if it was something I > did > wrong and it still doesn't work. Could there be some > firewall settings I need to set? If so, how/what do > I > set them to? At this point I don't need to host > anything. I just want my terminals back and be able > to > have the LTSP box be a firewall and router to the > internet. > > Thank you. > > > David D. Nelson > nelsda at yahoo.com > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From hick518 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 14 15:00:45 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 07:00:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Root password corrupts ? In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050314150045.85677.qmail@web41601.mail.yahoo.com> This is not a solution to your problem, but isn't it a bad idea to remote-administer (administrate?) from a Windows machine? Suppose there is malware on your Windows machine which logs your keystrokes. You'll be giving away your root password. I realize that it is possible to keep a Windows machine relatively secure. But you are running Internet Explorer, which tells me that your machine probably is not all that secure. Just some food for thought. -Rob --- Barry R Cisna wrote: > HI LIST,, > > Has anyone else using K12LTSP ( v 4.2.0) > experienced the root password "corrupting"? > We are running four K12LTSP,servers ( 2 each,on > a two subnet ..network). > I m the only person accessing any of the > servers,,,and I've {sort of},,,am thinking the > password corruption, > may possibly do to using Webmin to do a few > tasks, and it seems this happens when using MS > Internet Explorer > ( wouldnt you know it)!.. > A couple time,s i've simply "looked" at some > config files,,through Webmin,,,,and after > exiting,,,then trying to VNC back into the same > server, from my client box the root password,,,no > longer works? > Of course the root password also no longer lets > me log into the Webmin interface. > I m using the lastest version of Webmin 1.180. > ALso,,it seems this has happened when I've had > two or three IE /Webmin,pages open at the same time, > looking at the four different servers,,, at the same > time from my client Windows box? > Ive had to reformat a few times do to this very > problem! ( ugh)... > I had know way of correcting the "trashed" > password.. > Tryed to do a "manual" copy of the > passwd,gshadow,shadow,group file from another "good" > root password,server, but no joy,:(. > > Just wondering if anyone else has experienced > this,,or if I m worng on the Webmin,"theory".. > > Thanks.... > > Barry CIsna > RR1 Box 213 > Gladstone, IL 61437 > > brcisna at frontiernet.net> _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Mar 14 15:21:17 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 09:21:17 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] First test build of 4.2.1, with PPC terminal support In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <004301c528a9$77cc02d0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > I have uploaded a first test build of K12LTSP 4.2.1. In > addition to all of the official Fedora updates, this build > includes support for PPC terminals. > > An out-of-the-box install will boot my PowerBook G4. I have > not tried any other PPC terminals, nor have I verfied that > upgrades work as expected. Thanks a lot for this work Eric. Very cool to have built in. I have booted the following from this setup. iMac Bondi Blue iMac Indigo (with my custom XF86 file) iMac 15" flat screen (desklamp style) iBook Tangerine iBook Blueberry iBook Snow White (boots with screen resolutions off, need to change to 800x600, could probably fix with custom lts.conf setting) I'll attach the XF86Config-4.indigo file with this email for you to include in /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc/XF86Config-4.indigo so it is there by default. My thought was since apple hardware is fairly static any ppc machines needing a custom XF86 file could just be included by default and be ready to choose in lts.conf. That should eliminate a lot of extra work for users. If anyone else comes up with custom configs say for a Apple mini or whatever it could be included as /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc/XF86Config-4.mini and so on. Then maybe include a commented section in /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc/lts.conf showing how to point to the custom files. Example: # [00:03:93:70:D8:A2] # XSERVER = ati # XF86CONFIG_FILE = XF86Config-4.indigo >From what Jim M explained to me even though you have a XSERVER configured in XF86Config you need to call out an arbitrary one in lts.conf in order to get things going. Thanks again for your work. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: XF86Config-4.indigo Type: application/octet-stream Size: 3230 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Mar 14 13:26:48 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 08:26:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] First test build of 4.2.1, with PPC terminal support In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I will test it tomorrow (will download tonight). Like Chuck I have a pile of iBooks to test with. Just curious....what command did you use at the Open Firmware to instruct it to boot to LTSP? Also....since I can't test yet....does holding down the option key present you with a network boot option (LTSP) and/or does holding down the "N" key also work in this case.....I know it works for netboot, but curious about etherboot/LTSP. "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Saturday, March 12, 2005 at 7:33 PM +0000 wrote: > >I have uploaded a first test build of K12LTSP 4.2.1. In addition to all >of the official Fedora updates, this build includes support for PPC >terminals. > >An out-of-the-box install will boot my PowerBook G4. I have not tried any >other PPC terminals, nor have I verfied that upgrades work as expected. > >So proceed with caution, this is not ready for production use... > >If you are brave enough to try it, please let us know if 1) you tried >upgrading an existing server (non-producton, test servers only!) and >2) what PPC boxes you tried to use as terminals and whether or not they >worked. > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/4.2.1/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/4.2.1/ . > > >Thanks to everyone here who worked on making the PPC support so seemless! > >-Eric David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From jam at mcquil.com Mon Mar 14 15:54:34 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:54:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] First test build of 4.2.1, with PPC terminal support In-Reply-To: <004301c528a9$77cc02d0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <004301c528a9$77cc02d0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: Jim, We really should look at incorporating the differences for XF86Config for the PPC into the build_x4_cfg script. That way, the XF86Config file could be automatically generated during the boot process, exactly the way the x86 clients work now. Can you give me an idea of the differences required in XF86Config? Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Mon, 14 Mar 2005, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > I have uploaded a first test build of K12LTSP 4.2.1. In > > addition to all of the official Fedora updates, this build > > includes support for PPC terminals. > > > > An out-of-the-box install will boot my PowerBook G4. I have > > not tried any other PPC terminals, nor have I verfied that > > upgrades work as expected. > > Thanks a lot for this work Eric. Very cool to have built in. > > I have booted the following from this setup. > > iMac Bondi Blue > iMac Indigo (with my custom XF86 file) > iMac 15" flat screen (desklamp style) > iBook Tangerine > iBook Blueberry > iBook Snow White (boots with screen resolutions off, need to change to > 800x600, could probably fix with custom lts.conf setting) > > I'll attach the XF86Config-4.indigo file with this email for you to > include in /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc/XF86Config-4.indigo so it is there by > default. My thought was since apple hardware is fairly static any ppc > machines needing a custom XF86 file could just be included by default > and be ready to choose in lts.conf. That should eliminate a lot of > extra work for users. If anyone else comes up with custom configs say > for a Apple mini or whatever it could be included as > /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc/XF86Config-4.mini and so on. Then maybe include a > commented section in /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc/lts.conf showing how to point to > the custom files. Example: > > # [00:03:93:70:D8:A2] > # XSERVER = ati > # XF86CONFIG_FILE = XF86Config-4.indigo > > >From what Jim M explained to me even though you have a XSERVER > configured in XF86Config you need to call out an arbitrary one in > lts.conf in order to get things going. > > Thanks again for your work. > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Mar 14 16:09:12 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:09:12 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] First test build of 4.2.1, with PPC terminal support In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <004e01c528b0$29ba7d90$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Can you give me an idea of the differences required in XF86Config? So far the only 2 machines I have had trouble with are the Snow iBook 12" and the iMac Indigo. I don't know enough about the XF86Config file to really know why they don't work. The Snow iBook sets the screen resolution to 1024x768 and need to be reduced to 800x600 or everything runs off of the screen. The iMac Indigo wouldn't even start X. In order to get a XF86 file for the Indigo I just did a local install of Ubuntu and stole the file and slapped it into /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc/. My last email should have a copy of this custom file included. Maybe you could look through the custom file and compare it to the one included with the ppc package? I just don't understand it enough yet to know which pieces are critical and which ones aren't. I didn't even know there was such a thing as a build_x4_cfg script :-) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Mar 14 16:32:03 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:32:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] First test build of 4.2.1, with PPC terminal support In-Reply-To: <004e01c528b0$29ba7d90$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <004e01c528b0$29ba7d90$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 11:09 AM +0000 wrote: >The Snow iBook sets the screen >resolution to 1024x768 and need to be reduced to 800x600 or everything >runs off of the screen Are you using an older Snow ibook? I'm curious as to why it won't run at 1024 x 768? If I connect to my K12LTSP server via an x query it runs fine at that resolution (I'm using an iBook). David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Mar 14 16:47:10 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:47:10 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] First test build of 4.2.1, with PPC terminal support In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <005701c528b5$775d1df0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Are you using an older Snow ibook? I'm curious as to why it > won't run at 1024 x 768? If I connect to my K12LTSP server > via an x query it runs fine at that resolution (I'm using an iBook). One of the 600mhz vintage. I believe we have the first generation of Snow iBooks here. I think they do a higher res with a local install so maybe a graphic driver isn't recognized quite right or it isn't picking up on the 12" screen size. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From trond at mahlum.biz Mon Mar 14 16:58:41 2005 From: trond at mahlum.biz (=?UTF-8?B?VHJvbmQgTcOmaGx1bQ==?=) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 17:58:41 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Names of the lodged users? In-Reply-To: <001401c528a2$d344ed90$0100a8c0@Marian> References: <001401c528a2$d344ed90$0100a8c0@Marian> Message-ID: <4235C2C1.4000103@mahlum.biz> M.Pribik wrote: > 1Q. If the user on the station LSTP is lodged, in the list from the > command > # ps -AF > sometimes I can see the login's name of the user in the first column , > sometimes > the UID number only. Why it is so? What does it depend on? I would > like to see the names there. > > 2Q. From the command > #w > or #who > I cannot see the all users lodged from stations of LTSP. There is allways > the root , and sometimes one or two users. But on the server are > lodged more > clients. Why cannot I see them all? I don't know. It happes here also. I do this instead: # last | grep "still logged in" It will give you a list of users currently logged in. Regards Trond > Thank you. Marian. > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > From kevins at centerusd.k12.ca.us Mon Mar 14 17:29:30 2005 From: kevins at centerusd.k12.ca.us (Kevin Shira) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 09:29:30 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Help design a new elementary school! Message-ID: <4235C9FA.7050406@centerusd.k12.ca.us> It may seem like a small point, but I would certainly plan for this if I had the opportunity to design a school from scratch. Your school's layout sounds as if each classroom will have one wall with windows - and this is the wall I would avoid for data drops (if possible). The last place you want a monitor is in front of a window. Even with blinds in place, the window can admit enough light to cause eyestrain. (And purists might argue it can cause eye damage, since the retina opens wider than it has to and admits too much light - and UV rays - for the task at hand.) Cheers, -- Kevin Shira Center Unified School District From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Mon Mar 14 16:57:07 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 08:57:07 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Passing Parameter to kernel :- option option-129 "DPORT=1067"; In-Reply-To: <20050314114056.18411.qmail@web41624.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050314114056.18411.qmail@web41624.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I recently had success with this by editing /etc/sysconfig/dhcpd and adding HCPDARGS="-p 1067 eth0". Steve On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 03:40:56 -0800 (PST), Rob Owens wrote: > Did you ever figure this one out? I'm having a > similar problem. > > -Rob > > --- Putu Agus wrote: > > Dear All, > > I'm running the DHCP server with different port. > > It seems that parameter(DPORT="1067")in dhpcd.conf > > no impact, when the client boot the process. > > option option-129 "DPORT=1067"; > > > > I've read > > > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/DHCP#Use_different_port_numbers_for_t > > I've created customize the ROM image to run on port > > 1067 (http://www.rom-o-matic.net). > > > > on the system(K12LTSP)server: > > #ps -ef|grep 1067 > > root 4806 1 0 17:05 ? /usr/sbin/dhcpd -p 1067 -q > > eth0 > > > > on the client screen: > > Loading room image... > > Rom Segment .... > > Etherboot 5.2.6(GPL)... > > This Etherboot uses non-standard port 1067 and 1068 > > Relocating _text ... > > Boot from (N)network or (Q)uit ? > > ... > > ... > > ... > > Running dhcpcd on port 67 <--- Why is it using 67 ? > > > > ERROR! dhcpcd failed! > > kernel panic:.... > > > > > > > > > > One thing that I haven't try is to compile the > > kernel. > > > > Is there any way other than compiling the kernel ? > > > > > > Thanks > > ~Pap > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Mon Mar 14 17:04:55 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 09:04:55 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Passing Parameter to kernel :- option option-129 "DPORT=1067"; In-Reply-To: <20050314114056.18411.qmail@web41624.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050314114056.18411.qmail@web41624.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Correction: I recently had success with this by editing /etc/sysconfig/dhcpd and adding DHCPDARGS="-p 1067 eth0". Steve On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 03:40:56 -0800 (PST), Rob Owens wrote: > Did you ever figure this one out? I'm having a > similar problem. > > -Rob > > --- Putu Agus wrote: > > Dear All, > > I'm running the DHCP server with different port. > > It seems that parameter(DPORT="1067")in dhpcd.conf > > no impact, when the client boot the process. > > option option-129 "DPORT=1067"; > > > > I've read > > > http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/DHCP#Use_different_port_numbers_for_t > > I've created customize the ROM image to run on port > > 1067 (http://www.rom-o-matic.net). > > > > on the system(K12LTSP)server: > > #ps -ef|grep 1067 > > root 4806 1 0 17:05 ? /usr/sbin/dhcpd -p 1067 -q > > eth0 > > > > on the client screen: > > Loading room image... > > Rom Segment .... > > Etherboot 5.2.6(GPL)... > > This Etherboot uses non-standard port 1067 and 1068 > > Relocating _text ... > > Boot from (N)network or (Q)uit ? > > ... > > ... > > ... > > Running dhcpcd on port 67 <--- Why is it using 67 ? > > > > ERROR! dhcpcd failed! > > kernel panic:.... > > > > > > > > > > One thing that I haven't try is to compile the > > kernel. > > > > Is there any way other than compiling the kernel ? > > > > > > Thanks > > ~Pap > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Mon Mar 14 18:15:16 2005 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 07:15:16 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap changing password In-Reply-To: <015701c52872$852a6ca0$65c8a8c0@brianwork> Message-ID: <200503141815.j2EIFe1q007088@dbmail-mx3.orcon.net.nz> Linux using /preferences/password in K12LTSP -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Brian Chivers Sent: Monday, 14 March 2005 9:48 p.m. To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] smbldap changing password Krsnendu dasa wrote: > [Krsnendu dasa] I reinstalled K12LTSP 4.2 and installed ldapsmb using > the installer. Now it is working. I had to reboot K12LTSP to get it > to work though. It would be good to mention this in the HOWTO if this > is something everyone will have to do. > > Now I can login to windows and linux using the same username and > password. > > Is there any way users can change their own passwords? With just > K12LTSP I gave the users a standard password and they were able to > change it themselves using preferences/password. They enter their > existing password then they enter the password of their choice twice. > > I tried doing this after the smbldap install. If first prompted for > the current password (this time ldap was mentioned in the prompt) > then it said new UNIX password. After doing this I could notice no > change. Logging in to K12LTSP wouldn't accept the new password. It > worked using the original password. > > Login to windows also uses the original password. > > Is there any way the users can change their own password the gets > saved in ldap-smb? > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see What clients are you trying to use to change password, Windows or Linux ?? Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From glessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca Mon Mar 14 18:31:19 2005 From: glessard at cegepoutaouais.qc.ca (Guy-Michel Lessard) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 13:31:19 -0500 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9p.=20:=20RE:=20[K12OSN]=20Where=20can=20i=20g?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?et=20a=20netboot=20floppy=20image=20for=20smc91c92=5Fcsca?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?rdbus=20(pcmcia)?= Message-ID: Nice floppy, but no dice. Again it tries to boot pci ou isa nic, not cardbus. >>> ericbrown at mi-spot.com 14/03/05 7:36 >>> I'm putting a link on here of the boot floppy I use. I've used this on about a dozen different machines successfully. Each time, it just works. I will admit I haven't tried it on a laptop yet (my laptop will automatically boot from the network). Good luck http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=80408&package_id=97496 &release_id=190646 _____ From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Guy-Michel Lessard Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 6:28 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Where can i get a netboot floppy image for smc91c92_cscardbus (pcmcia) I tried romomatic and downloaded the smc9000 image but it's looking for PCI and ISA card (i did not find a compile option for cardbus). P.S. If someone knows of a good howto for booting laptops please point me in the right direction. Thanks From dhuckaby at paasda.org Mon Mar 14 18:40:32 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:40:32 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] how to determine bandwidth usage? Message-ID: <4235DAA0.40701@paasda.org> Could someone enlighten me as to how to gather information about how much bandwidth is being used by a 'segment' of the network over X amount of time... I have 1 main ltsp lab of 10 machines, and 3 auxilary locations with 3-5 machines...and I would like to track bandwidth usage as well as how often those labs are used(i.e. someone is logged in). Yes I know it wouldn't be completely accurate as students often "forget" to logout... I'm trying to get administration to move to Giga-bit throughout the school, and this would help a great deal. Side-note..if it's possible to do the same thing for the MS and Mac labs?? --Huck From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Mar 14 18:46:54 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 13:46:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap changing password In-Reply-To: <200503141815.j2EIFe1q007088@dbmail-mx3.orcon.net.nz> References: <200503141815.j2EIFe1q007088@dbmail-mx3.orcon.net.nz> Message-ID: Just letting you know that the only way to reliably change both passwords for now is in Windows, but....I am working on the Linux method. I submitted some proposed access control stuff and some LDIF changes to Matt for his review. As soon as he looks at it...I'll release them to the general group to test. "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 1:15 PM +0000 wrote: >> [Krsnendu dasa] I reinstalled K12LTSP 4.2 and installed ldapsmb using >> the installer. Now it is working. I had to reboot K12LTSP to get it >> to work though. It would be good to mention this in the HOWTO if this >> is something everyone will have to do. >> >> Now I can login to windows and linux using the same username and >> password. >> >> Is there any way users can change their own passwords? With just >> K12LTSP I gave the users a standard password and they were able to >> change it themselves using preferences/password. They enter their >> existing password then they enter the password of their choice twice. >> >> I tried doing this after the smbldap install. If first prompted for >> the current password (this time ldap was mentioned in the prompt) >> then it said new UNIX password. After doing this I could notice no >> change. Logging in to K12LTSP wouldn't accept the new password. It >> worked using the original password. >> >> Login to windows also uses the original password. >> >> Is there any way the users can change their own password the gets >> saved in ldap-smb? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Mon Mar 14 19:11:41 2005 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 12:11:41 -0700 (MST) Subject: [K12OSN] hangs on X server screen Message-ID: <52341.199.216.98.50.1110827501.squirrel@199.216.98.50> This morning, on an othewise functional 4.2 system for the past 2 months, a whole lab had trouble logging in a the terminals. The workstations would boot, but stay stuck on the grey screen with the big X cursor. I then rebooted the server, and with one or two workstations booting simultaneously I got the class logged in. Then on logout, all workstations are stuck on the grey X screen. no reboot of the server has solved this. I have deleted the entire /tmp directory in an attempt to clear crud that has stuck around ... no luck What is happening? are there tmp, cache or log files that need to be cleared? These workstations were fine on Friday and at 8:00 this morning I could get in from a workstation in my office, but now nobody can get in. Is there a cron job that I can create to keep this from happening again? Joe Guenther = = = = = = = = = = = = = Lantech - Didsbury Chinook's Edge School Div. From bear2bar at netscape.net Mon Mar 14 18:49:28 2005 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 13:49:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap changing password In-Reply-To: References: <200503141815.j2EIFe1q007088@dbmail-mx3.orcon.net.nz> Message-ID: <4235DCB8.3030504@netscape.net> Hi David, What about using Webmin doesn't it sync and change passwd ? norbert dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us wrote: >Just letting you know that the only way to reliably change both passwords >for now is in Windows, but....I am working on the Linux method. I >submitted some proposed access control stuff and some LDIF changes to Matt >for his review. As soon as he looks at it...I'll release them to the >general group to test. > >"Support list for opensource software in schools." on >Monday, March 14, 2005 at 1:15 PM +0000 wrote: > > >>>[Krsnendu dasa] I reinstalled K12LTSP 4.2 and installed ldapsmb using >>>the installer. Now it is working. I had to reboot K12LTSP to get it >>>to work though. It would be good to mention this in the HOWTO if this >>>is something everyone will have to do. >>> >>>Now I can login to windows and linux using the same username and >>>password. >>> >>>Is there any way users can change their own passwords? With just >>>K12LTSP I gave the users a standard password and they were able to >>>change it themselves using preferences/password. They enter their >>>existing password then they enter the password of their choice twice. >>> >>>I tried doing this after the smbldap install. If first prompted for >>>the current password (this time ldap was mentioned in the prompt) >>>then it said new UNIX password. After doing this I could notice no >>>change. Logging in to K12LTSP wouldn't accept the new password. It >>>worked using the original password. >>> >>>Login to windows also uses the original password. >>> >>>Is there any way the users can change their own password the gets >>>saved in ldap-smb? >>> >>> > > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >(207)923-3100 > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cliebow at downeast.net Mon Mar 14 19:37:08 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 19:37:08 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap changing password Message-ID: <200503141834.j2EIY8P06875@downeast.net> i think we are talking force-change of pws at first boot..thta happens from windows but not from linux..chuck> Hi David, > > What about using Webmin doesn't it sync and change passwd ? > > norbert > > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us wrote: > > >Just letting you know that the only way to reliably change both passwords > >for now is in Windows, but....I am working on the Linux method. I > >submitted some proposed access control stuff and some LDIF changes to Matt > >for his review. As soon as he looks at it...I'll release them to the > >general group to test. > > > >"Support list for opensource software in schools." on > >Monday, March 14, 2005 at 1:15 PM +0000 wrote: > > > > > >>>[Krsnendu dasa] I reinstalled K12LTSP 4.2 and installed ldapsmb using > >>>the installer. Now it is working. I had to reboot K12LTSP to get it > >>>to work though. It would be good to mention this in the HOWTO if this > >>>is something everyone will have to do. > >>> > >>>Now I can login to windows and linux using the same username and > >>>password. > >>> > >>>Is there any way users can change their own passwords? With just > >>>K12LTSP I gave the users a standard password and they were able to > >>>change it themselves using preferences/password. They enter their > >>>existing password then they enter the password of their choice twice. > >>> > >>>I tried doing this after the smbldap install. If first prompted for > >>>the current password (this time ldap was mentioned in the prompt) > >>>then it said new UNIX password. After doing this I could notice no > >>>change. Logging in to K12LTSP wouldn't accept the new password. It > >>>worked using the original password. > >>> > >>>Login to windows also uses the original password. > >>> > >>>Is there any way the users can change their own password the gets > >>>saved in ldap-smb? > >>> > >>> > > > > > >David N. Trask > >Technology Teacher/Coordinator > >Vassalboro Community School > >dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > >(207)923-3100 > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Mon Mar 14 19:45:59 2005 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 12:45:59 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] hangs on X server screen Message-ID: <4235E9F7.1020703@chinooksedge.ab.ca> This morning, on an othewise functional 4.2 system for the past 2 months, a whole lab had trouble logging in a the terminals. The workstations would boot, but stay stuck on the grey screen with the big X cursor. I then rebooted the server, and with one or two workstations booting simultaneously I got the class logged in. Then on logout, all workstations are stuck on the grey X screen. no reboot of the server has solved this. I have deleted the entire /tmp directory in an attempt to clear crud that has stuck around ... no luck What is happening? are there tmp, cache or log files that need to be cleared? These workstations were fine on Friday and at 8:00 this morning I could get in from a workstation in my office, but now nobody can get in. Is there a cron job that I can create to keep this from happening again? Joe Guenther = = = = = = = = = = = = = Lantech - Didsbury Chinook's Edge School Div. From nsinton at gmail.com Mon Mar 14 20:11:40 2005 From: nsinton at gmail.com (Nathan Sinton) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 13:11:40 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] pam_mount Message-ID: <2b06a1a05031412115cea8c7@mail.gmail.com> I'm having a problem with pam_mount. I've got a linux box logging into my Win 2003 domain but I want to have the user's home directories mounted/unmounted automatically. I installed pam_mount using yum and have it configured like this: /etc/security/pam_mount.conf debug 1 mkmountpoint 1 options_require nosuid,nodev lsof /usr/sbin/lsof fsck /sbin/fsck losetup /sbin/losetup unlosetup /sbin/losetup -d smbmount /bin/mount -t cifs umount /usr/bin/smbumount volume * smb raid & /u/& uid=&,gid=&,dmask=0777,nodev,suid,workgroup=LCHSCOMPLAB - - /etc/pam.d/system-auth #%PAM-1.0 # This file is auto-generated. # User changes will be destroyed the next time authconfig is run. auth required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_env.so auth sufficient /lib/security/$ISA/pam_unix.so likeauth nullok auth sufficient /lib/security/$ISA/pam_winbind.so use_first_pass auth required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_deny.so account required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_unix.so broken_shadow account sufficient /lib/security/$ISA/pam_succeed_if.so uid < 100 quiet account [default=bad success=ok user_unknown=ignore] /lib/security/$ISA/pam_winbind.so account required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_permit.so auth required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_mount.so use_first_pass password requisite /lib/security/$ISA/pam_cracklib.so retry=3 password sufficient /lib/security/$ISA/pam_unix.so nullok use_authtok md5 shadow password sufficient /lib/security/$ISA/pam_winbind.so use_authtok password required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_deny.so #session required /lib/security/pam_mkhomedir.so skel=/etc/skel/ umask=077 session required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_limits.so session required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_unix.so session optional /lib/security/$ISA/pam_mount.so /etc/pam.d/login #%PAM-1.0 auth required pam_securetty.so auth sufficient /lib/security/pam_winbind.so use_first_pass auth required pam_stack.so service=system-auth auth required pam_nologin.so account required pam_stack.so service=system-auth account sufficient /lib/security/pam_winbind.so auth required /lib/security/pam_mount.so use_first_pass password required pam_stack.so service=system-auth # pam_selinux.so close should be the first session rule session required pam_selinux.so close session required pam_stack.so service=system-auth session optional pam_console.so # pam_selinux.so open should be the last session rule session required pam_selinux.so multiple open session optional /lib/security/pam_mount.so I'm just trying to get a text console logon to work first and then I'll move on to gdm. In my /var/log/messages I've got a few weird things. Mar 14 13:00:01 bungelab2020 pam_winbind[4497]: Could not retrieve user's password Mar 14 13:00:04 bungelab2020 login[24561]: pam_mount: command: mount -t cifs Mar 14 13:00:04 bungelab2020 login[4497]: pam_mount: mount errors (should be empty): Mar 14 13:00:04 bungelab2020 login[4497]: pam_mount: pam_mount: command: mount -t cifs Mar 14 13:00:05 bungelab2020 -- nathansinton[4497]: LOGIN ON tty2 BY nathansinton I don't know about the pam_winbind error because it lets me login and does fail if the password is incorrect. I think that the problem is that pam_mount isn't passing the right options to the mount command. I think that what it shows as the mount command is what it is actually running. any help would be greatly appreciated! -Nathan From ascensiontech at gmail.com Mon Mar 14 19:43:54 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Ascension Tech) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:43:54 -0500 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_R=E9p._:_RE:_[K12OSN]_Where_can_i_g_et_a_netbo?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_ot_floppy_image_for_smc91c92=5Fcsca_rdbus_(pcmcia)?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9bd31756050314114345b3b784@mail.gmail.com> Try the wireless boot floppy at the bottom of this page: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=17723 It also works for some wired ethernet PCMCIA cards. Not sure if your SMC is included. If your running 4.2 sound probably won't work until the floppy is updated. Peace, Peter On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 13:31:19 -0500, Guy-Michel Lessard wrote: > Nice floppy, but no dice. Again it tries to boot pci ou isa nic, not > cardbus. > > >>> ericbrown at mi-spot.com 14/03/05 7:36 >>> > I'm putting a link on here of the boot floppy I use. I've used this on > about a dozen different machines successfully. Each time, it just > works. I > will admit I haven't tried it on a laptop yet (my laptop will > automatically > boot from the network). > > Good luck > > http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=80408&package_id=97496 > &release_id=190646 > > _____ > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf > Of Guy-Michel Lessard > Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 6:28 AM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] Where can i get a netboot floppy image for > smc91c92_cscardbus (pcmcia) > > I tried romomatic and downloaded the smc9000 image but it's looking for > PCI > and ISA card (i did not find a compile option for cardbus). > > P.S. If someone knows of a good howto for booting laptops please point > me in > the right direction. > > Thanks > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Mar 14 20:32:57 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 12:32:57 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] hangs on X server screen In-Reply-To: <52341.199.216.98.50.1110827501.squirrel@199.216.98.50> References: <52341.199.216.98.50.1110827501.squirrel@199.216.98.50> Message-ID: <4235F4F9.1030700@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Joe Guenther wrote: > This morning, on an othewise functional 4.2 system for the past 2 months, > a whole lab had trouble logging in a the terminals. The workstations > would boot, but stay stuck on the grey screen with the big X cursor. I > then rebooted the server, and with one or two workstations booting > simultaneously I got the class logged in. Then on logout, all > workstations are stuck on the grey X screen. no reboot of the server has > solved this. I have deleted the entire /tmp directory in an attempt to > clear crud that has stuck around ... no luck > > What is happening? are there tmp, cache or log files that need to be > cleared? These workstations were fine on Friday and at 8:00 this morning > I could get in from a workstation in my office, but now nobody can get in. > > Is there a cron job that I can create to keep this from happening again? > > Joe Guenther > = = = = = = = = = = = = = > Lantech - Didsbury > Chinook's Edge School Div. > Any chance that one of your partitions is full? Open a shell and run "df" to see if you have any partitions that are >90% full. If you can't log into the gui, even as root, you can go to the server and type "Alt-F1" to get to a text command prompt. "Alt-F7" will get you back to the gui. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 256 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From dhuckaby at paasda.org Mon Mar 14 21:09:46 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 13:09:46 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] how to determine bandwidth usage? In-Reply-To: <4235DAA0.40701@paasda.org> References: <4235DAA0.40701@paasda.org> Message-ID: <4235FD9A.4010905@paasda.org> Not one to normally answer one's own questions... ntop at http://www.ntop.org/ is a juicy little app with a web interface that does nifty stuff to report your network traffic and the like!!! Just got it installed and running in 10 minutes after returning from lunch! *Yay* I wish all apps were this easy to install! --Huck Huck wrote: > Could someone enlighten me as to how to gather information about > how much bandwidth is being used by a 'segment' of the network over X > amount of time... > > I have 1 main ltsp lab of 10 machines, and 3 auxilary locations with 3-5 > machines...and I would like to track bandwidth usage as well as how > often those labs are used(i.e. someone is logged in). > Yes I know it wouldn't be completely accurate as students often "forget" > to logout... > > I'm trying to get administration to move to Giga-bit throughout the > school, and this would help a great deal. > > Side-note..if it's possible to do the same thing for the MS and Mac labs?? > > --Huck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Mon Mar 14 21:33:43 2005 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:33:43 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] hangs on X server screen In-Reply-To: <4235F4F9.1030700@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <52341.199.216.98.50.1110827501.squirrel@199.216.98.50> <4235F4F9.1030700@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <42360337.1060408@chinooksedge.ab.ca> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If you have some other topology it is harder: you have to have a managed switch where you can configure one port to monitor all the traffic on all the others and you may have to deal with traffic being NATted into different addresses. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From mpribik at zoznam.sk Mon Mar 14 23:05:43 2005 From: mpribik at zoznam.sk (M.Pribik) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 00:05:43 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] hangs on X server screen References: <4235E9F7.1020703@chinooksedge.ab.ca> Message-ID: <001001c528ea$59bc5420$0100a8c0@Marian> Hi This behaviour happed to me too even twice. I could not do nothing. After ALT-F2, ALT- F1 I had very poor shell that periodicaly resets to gray X screen. /aprox.30 sec/ I had reinstall the system from CD. After that it worked. Regards Marian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Guenther" To: Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 8:45 PM Subject: [K12OSN] hangs on X server screen > This morning, on an othewise functional 4.2 system for the past 2 > months, a whole lab had trouble logging in a the terminals. The > workstations would boot, but stay stuck on the grey screen with the big > X cursor. I then rebooted the server, and with one or two workstations > booting simultaneously I got the class logged in. Then on logout, all > workstations are stuck on the grey X screen. no reboot of the server > has solved this. I have deleted the entire /tmp directory in an attempt > to clear crud that has stuck around ... no luck > > What is happening? are there tmp, cache or log files that need to be > cleared? These workstations were fine on Friday and at 8:00 this > morning I could get in from a workstation in my office, but now nobody > can get in. > > Is there a cron job that I can create to keep this from happening again? > > Joe Guenther > = = = = = = = = = = = = = > Lantech - Didsbury > Chinook's Edge School Div. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > __________ Informacia od NOD32 1.1025 (20050314) __________ > > Tato sprava bola preverena antivirusovym systemom NOD32. > http://www.eset.sk > > From jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca Mon Mar 14 23:14:06 2005 From: jguenther at chinooksedge.ab.ca (Joe Guenther) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 16:14:06 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] hangs on X server screen In-Reply-To: <001001c528ea$59bc5420$0100a8c0@Marian> References: <4235E9F7.1020703@chinooksedge.ab.ca> <001001c528ea$59bc5420$0100a8c0@Marian> Message-ID: <42361ABE.3010804@chinooksedge.ab.ca> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Mar 14 23:39:37 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 15:39:37 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] hangs on X server screen In-Reply-To: <42361ABE.3010804@chinooksedge.ab.ca> References: <4235E9F7.1020703@chinooksedge.ab.ca> <001001c528ea$59bc5420$0100a8c0@Marian> <42361ABE.3010804@chinooksedge.ab.ca> Message-ID: <423620B9.2080305@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Joe Guenther wrote: > THAT does NOT sound like the solution I wanted to hear. :-( Fortunately it is not a recommended solution... > Still makes me even more perplexed as to what is happening?????? The first thing I usually do is scan /var/log/messages and /var/log/secure I run "dmesg" and see if anything unusual appears (such as IDE or SCSI timeouts). If you have sar installed (part of the sysstat package), you can look at your system statistics for anomolies ("sar -A" will spew TONNES of stats). If you don't have sar installed, you can install it for next time... (yum install sysstat) I always double-check that DNS is working properly & the entries in /etc/resolv.conf are correct. With LTSP-related problems, I review the LTSP trouble-shooting guide: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/TroubleShooting If I think there might be a miss-configuration or otherwised messed-up software, I have RPM verify all of the installed software: rpm -Va > /tmp/rpmreport This will list every file that has been changed since it was installed by rpm. The output will contain one line per modified file, in the format: S.5....T c /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf Here is what the first set of letters mean: S file Size differs M Mode differs (includes permissions and file type) 5 MD5 sum differs D Device major/minor number mismatch L readLink(2) path mismatch U User ownership differs G Group ownership differs T mTime differs The "c" means it is a configuration file. Those are usually enough to point me in the right direction for fixing whatever may be broken. -Eric > M.Pribik wrote: > >>Hi >>This behaviour happed to me too even twice. I could not do nothing. After >>ALT-F2, ALT- F1 I had very poor >>shell that periodicaly resets to gray X screen. /aprox.30 sec/ >>I had reinstall the system from CD. After that it worked. >>Regards Marian >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Joe Guenther" >>To: >>Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 8:45 PM >>Subject: [K12OSN] hangs on X server screen >> >> >> >> >>>This morning, on an othewise functional 4.2 system for the past 2 >>>months, a whole lab had trouble logging in a the terminals. The >>>workstations would boot, but stay stuck on the grey screen with the big >>>X cursor. I then rebooted the server, and with one or two workstations >>>booting simultaneously I got the class logged in. Then on logout, all >>>workstations are stuck on the grey X screen. no reboot of the server >>>has solved this. I have deleted the entire /tmp directory in an attempt >>>to clear crud that has stuck around ... no luck >>> >>>What is happening? are there tmp, cache or log files that need to be >>>cleared? These workstations were fine on Friday and at 8:00 this >>>morning I could get in from a workstation in my office, but now nobody >>>can get in. >>> >>>Is there a cron job that I can create to keep this from happening again? >>> >>>Joe Guenther >>>= = = = = = = = = = = = = >>>Lantech - Didsbury >>>Chinook's Edge School Div. >>> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Tue Mar 15 04:00:48 2005 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 20:00:48 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Push Icon to desktop problem In-Reply-To: <0IDD00524JLSX0@l-daemon> References: <0IDD00524JLSX0@l-daemon> Message-ID: <1110859248.9214.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2005-03-14 at 21:41 -0600, Liam Marshall wrote: > 1. A copy of the original file for Push Icons to desktop, from > usr/sbin to get it back to original condition. I am afraid I > messed mine up and didn?t save a copy of the original # rpm -Uvh --force http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/yum/fc3/RPMS/k12ltsp/root-desktop-urls-0.1-k12ltsp.0.4.2.noarch.rpm > 1. and I would appreciate a way/script to remove an icon/link > from desktops globally, like Push Icon?. Now does. I really > need to get the kiddie programs off the older kid?s desktops, > not to mention the staff members. I shudder to think of > manually deleting it from each Desktop folder # for each in `getent passwd | cut -d ':' -f6`; do ls -D \ > $each/Desktop/foo.desktop; done Replace foo.desktop w/ the .desktop item for your icon, make sure it lists the right stuff, then replace "ls" w/ "rm -f". -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From bimal.pandit at indoasian.com Tue Mar 15 04:06:16 2005 From: bimal.pandit at indoasian.com (Bimal Pandit) Date: 15 Mar 2005 09:36:16 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] how to determine bandwidth usage? Message-ID: <1110859575.3151.10.camel@bp5575> Dear Huck, One can use this tool(bing) to measure point to point bandwidth consumption in their COMPLETE network. e.g. bing 192.168.2.10 193.168.1.250 this will tell you about bandwidth consumption(continous) between the two machines!! hope this could help you to check your netwrok too. bing-1.0.4-1.0.rh9.dag.i386.rpm Note :- I tested this on redhat 9, while ofcourse ntop is an excellemnt web based tool, this i found to be as good for CLI -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lsrpm-1 at shaw.ca Tue Mar 15 04:46:23 2005 From: lsrpm-1 at shaw.ca (Liam Marshall) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 22:46:23 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Push Icon to desktop problem In-Reply-To: <1110859248.9214.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <0IDD00F4UMLBZK@l-daemon> -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Dan Young Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 10:01 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Push Icon to desktop problem On Mon, 2005-03-14 at 21:41 -0600, Liam Marshall wrote: > 1. A copy of the original file for Push Icons to desktop, from > usr/sbin to get it back to original condition. I am afraid I > messed mine up and didn't save a copy of the original # rpm -Uvh --force http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/yum/fc3/RPMS/k12ltsp/root-desktop-urls-0.1-k1 2ltsp.0.4.2.noarch.rpm Is the above terminal line command replacing just the messed up file, or all items on root's desktop as well? > 1. and I would appreciate a way/script to remove an icon/link > from desktops globally, like Push Icon.. Now does. I really > need to get the kiddie programs off the older kid's desktops, > not to mention the staff members. I shudder to think of > manually deleting it from each Desktop folder # for each in `getent passwd | cut -d ':' -f6`; do ls -D \ > $each/Desktop/foo.desktop; done Replace foo.desktop w/ the .desktop item for your icon, make sure it lists the right stuff, then replace "ls" w/ "rm -f". this removes the extra stuff I accidently added to everyone, right? So how do I push an icon/link to just the users under say, /home/kindergarten1/user1,,,user2 etc? -- Dan Young Parkrose School District _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Tue Mar 15 04:59:58 2005 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 20:59:58 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Push Icon to desktop problem In-Reply-To: <0IDD00F4UMLBZK@l-daemon> References: <0IDD00F4UMLBZK@l-daemon> Message-ID: <1110862799.9214.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2005-03-14 at 22:46 -0600, Liam Marshall wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of Dan Young > On Mon, 2005-03-14 at 21:41 -0600, Liam Marshall wrote: > > > 1. A copy of the original file for Push Icons to desktop, from > > usr/sbin to get it back to original condition. I am afraid I > > messed mine up and didn't save a copy of the original > > # rpm -Uvh --force > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/yum/fc3/RPMS/k12ltsp/root-desktop-urls-0.1-k1 > 2ltsp.0.4.2.noarch.rpm > > Is the above terminal line command replacing just the messed up file, or all > items on root's desktop as well? It's everything in the root-desktop-urls rpm, which would be: /root/Desktop /root/Desktop/Documentation /root/Desktop/Documentation/Fedora.desktop /root/Desktop/Documentation/Gnome Help.desktop /root/Desktop/Documentation/K12LTSP.desktop /root/Desktop/Documentation/LTSP.desktop /root/Desktop/Install additional software /root/Desktop/Install additional software/Get Acrobat Reader/root/Desktop/Install additional software/Get Flash /root/Desktop/Install additional software/Get Fonts /root/Desktop/Install additional software/Get Java /root/Desktop/Install additional software/Get RealPlayer /root/Desktop/Install additional software/Get Webmin /root/Desktop/push_icons.desktop /usr/sbin /usr/sbin/get.acroread /usr/sbin/get.flash /usr/sbin/get.java /usr/sbin/get.msttcorefonts /usr/sbin/get.webmin /usr/sbin/push-icons-to-users-desktops <---- this is what you really need, I think /usr/share/msttcorefonts/msttcorefonts-1.3-4.spec > > 1. and I would appreciate a way/script to remove an icon/link > > from desktops globally, like Push Icon.. Now does. I really > > need to get the kiddie programs off the older kid's desktops, > > not to mention the staff members. I shudder to think of > > manually deleting it from each Desktop folder > > # for each in `getent passwd | cut -d ':' -f6`; do ls -D \ > > $each/Desktop/foo.desktop; done > > Replace foo.desktop w/ the .desktop item for your icon, make sure it > lists the right stuff, then replace "ls" w/ "rm -f". > > this removes the extra stuff I accidently added to everyone, right? Yeah, it should. > So how do I push an icon/link to just the users under say, > /home/kindergarten1/user1,,,user2 etc? My bash-fu is weak, somebody else? The bottom line is that you could modify /usr/sbin/push-icons-to-users-desktops to do this. You'd need to generate the list of users and their home directories and feed it to the script (working on a copy of the original ;-) ). The magic happens on line 41. -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From lsrpm-1 at shaw.ca Tue Mar 15 05:10:32 2005 From: lsrpm-1 at shaw.ca (Liam Marshall) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 23:10:32 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Push Icon to desktop problem In-Reply-To: <1110862799.9214.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <0IDD00J3QNPKKK@l-daemon> Thanks, will try this tomorrow -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Dan Young Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 11:00 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Push Icon to desktop problem On Mon, 2005-03-14 at 22:46 -0600, Liam Marshall wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of Dan Young > On Mon, 2005-03-14 at 21:41 -0600, Liam Marshall wrote: > > > 1. A copy of the original file for Push Icons to desktop, from > > usr/sbin to get it back to original condition. I am afraid I > > messed mine up and didn't save a copy of the original > > # rpm -Uvh --force > http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/yum/fc3/RPMS/k12ltsp/root-desktop-urls-0.1-k1 > 2ltsp.0.4.2.noarch.rpm > > Is the above terminal line command replacing just the messed up file, or all > items on root's desktop as well? It's everything in the root-desktop-urls rpm, which would be: /root/Desktop /root/Desktop/Documentation /root/Desktop/Documentation/Fedora.desktop /root/Desktop/Documentation/Gnome Help.desktop /root/Desktop/Documentation/K12LTSP.desktop /root/Desktop/Documentation/LTSP.desktop /root/Desktop/Install additional software /root/Desktop/Install additional software/Get Acrobat Reader/root/Desktop/Install additional software/Get Flash /root/Desktop/Install additional software/Get Fonts /root/Desktop/Install additional software/Get Java /root/Desktop/Install additional software/Get RealPlayer /root/Desktop/Install additional software/Get Webmin /root/Desktop/push_icons.desktop /usr/sbin /usr/sbin/get.acroread /usr/sbin/get.flash /usr/sbin/get.java /usr/sbin/get.msttcorefonts /usr/sbin/get.webmin /usr/sbin/push-icons-to-users-desktops <---- this is what you really need, I think /usr/share/msttcorefonts/msttcorefonts-1.3-4.spec > > 1. and I would appreciate a way/script to remove an icon/link > > from desktops globally, like Push Icon.. Now does. I really > > need to get the kiddie programs off the older kid's desktops, > > not to mention the staff members. I shudder to think of > > manually deleting it from each Desktop folder > > # for each in `getent passwd | cut -d ':' -f6`; do ls -D \ > > $each/Desktop/foo.desktop; done > > Replace foo.desktop w/ the .desktop item for your icon, make sure it > lists the right stuff, then replace "ls" w/ "rm -f". > > this removes the extra stuff I accidently added to everyone, right? Yeah, it should. > So how do I push an icon/link to just the users under say, > /home/kindergarten1/user1,,,user2 etc? My bash-fu is weak, somebody else? The bottom line is that you could modify /usr/sbin/push-icons-to-users-desktops to do this. You'd need to generate the list of users and their home directories and feed it to the script (working on a copy of the original ;-) ). The magic happens on line 41. -- Dan Young Parkrose School District _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From jtloper1 at earthlink.net Tue Mar 15 05:31:05 2005 From: jtloper1 at earthlink.net (Jeff Loper) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 21:31:05 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] folding at home Message-ID: <200503150601.j2F61QQv029695@mx1.redhat.com> I'm interested it using LTSP 4 to run a diskless folding at home farm. What steps should I take to A. run the F at H client on each diskless workstation. B. Automate startup of the clients so that F at H.exe will start automatically. I tried using http://www.ltsp.org/ltsp-4.html as a guide but did not have any success with the local apps. Any help would be great. Thanks!!! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <4235FD9A.4010905@paasda.org> References: <4235DAA0.40701@paasda.org> <4235FD9A.4010905@paasda.org> Message-ID: <48928761050314133232864956@mail.gmail.com> I don't know if it will do exactly what you need, but I've used iptraf before. http://iptraf.seul.org/ On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 13:09:46 -0800, Huck wrote: > Not one to normally answer one's own questions... > > ntop at http://www.ntop.org/ is a juicy little app with a web interface > that does nifty stuff to report your network traffic and the like!!! > > Just got it installed and running in 10 minutes after returning from > lunch! *Yay* I wish all apps were this easy to install! > > --Huck > > Huck wrote: > > Could someone enlighten me as to how to gather information about > > how much bandwidth is being used by a 'segment' of the network over X > > amount of time... > > > > I have 1 main ltsp lab of 10 machines, and 3 auxilary locations with 3-5 > > machines...and I would like to track bandwidth usage as well as how > > often those labs are used(i.e. someone is logged in). > > Yes I know it wouldn't be completely accurate as students often "forget" > > to logout... > > > > I'm trying to get administration to move to Giga-bit throughout the > > school, and this would help a great deal. > > > > Side-note..if it's possible to do the same thing for the MS and Mac labs?? > > > > --Huck > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Adam Melancon Work: http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us Personal: http://www.melancon.org From gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tue Mar 15 10:00:16 2005 From: gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk (Gavin Spurgeon) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:00:16 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] folding at home References: <200503150601.j2F61QQv029695@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <015001c52945$c9f228e0$1300000a@leighctc.kent.sch.uk> Hi Jeff http://bofh.be/clusterknoppix/ or http://overclockix.octeams.com/ Might be a bit better.. they both have all the nessacerry packages pre-installed.. no configuration needed... Best Regards Gavin Spurgeon Assistant Systems Administrator gsp at leighctc.kent.sch.uk http://www.leighctc.kent.sch.uk Tel: 01322 620501 Fax: 01322 620417 IS HelpDesk : Ext 541 From ron at ron.dk Tue Mar 15 10:18:00 2005 From: ron at ron.dk (Rasmus Ory Nielsen) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 11:18:00 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] hangs on X server screen In-Reply-To: <423620B9.2080305@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <4235E9F7.1020703@chinooksedge.ab.ca> <001001c528ea$59bc5420$0100a8c0@Marian> <42361ABE.3010804@chinooksedge.ab.ca> <423620B9.2080305@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <4236B658.2090105@ron.dk> Hi, Eric Harrison wrote: > If I think there might be a miss-configuration or otherwised messed-up > software, I have RPM verify all of the installed software: > > rpm -Va > /tmp/rpmreport > > This will list every file that has been changed since it was installed > by rpm. The output will contain one line per modified file, in the format: > > S.5....T c /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf > > Here is what the first set of letters mean: > > S file Size differs > M Mode differs (includes permissions and file type) > 5 MD5 sum differs > D Device major/minor number mismatch > L readLink(2) path mismatch > U User ownership differs > G Group ownership differs > T mTime differs > > The "c" means it is a configuration file. > > > Those are usually enough to point me in the right direction for fixing > whatever may be broken. I use the attached script for that purpose. It only prints packages that doesn't verify and the output is sorted by package name. Regards Rasmus Ory Nielsen -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: checkRPMS URL: From veewee77 at alltel.net Tue Mar 15 12:56:59 2005 From: veewee77 at alltel.net (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 06:56:59 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] folding at home In-Reply-To: <200503150601.j2F61QQv029695@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200503150601.j2F61QQv029695@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4236DB9B.6000906@alltel.net> First, folding at home. . . is what? Second, you mentioned F at H.exe looks like a winders (or DOS) executable. . . Have you made sure F at H.exe will run on linux? Doug Jeff Loper wrote: > I?m interested it using LTSP 4 to run a diskless folding at home farm. > What steps should I take to A. run the F at H client on each diskless > workstation. B. Automate startup of the clients so that F at H.exe > will start automatically. I tried using > http://www.ltsp.org/ltsp-4.html as a guide but did not have any > success with the local apps. Any help would be great. > > Thanks!!! > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > From jkinz at kinz.org Tue Mar 15 13:14:33 2005 From: jkinz at kinz.org (Jeff Kinz) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 08:14:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] folding at home In-Reply-To: <4236DB9B.6000906@alltel.net>; from veewee77@alltel.net on Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 06:56:59AM -0600 References: <200503150601.j2F61QQv029695@mx1.redhat.com> <4236DB9B.6000906@alltel.net> Message-ID: <20050315081433.A28845@redline.comcast.net> On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 06:56:59AM -0600, Doug Simpson wrote: Re-ordered for continuity: > Jeff Loper wrote: > > > I?m interested it using LTSP 4 to run a diskless folding at home farm. > > What steps should I take to A. run the F at H client on each diskless > > workstation. B. Automate startup of the clients so that F at H.exe > > will start automatically. I tried using > > http://www.ltsp.org/ltsp-4.html as a guide but did not have any > > success with the local apps. Any help would be great. > > > First, folding at home. . . is what? A protein folding research project done on a donated cpu-time basis, like the seti @ home project. you volunteer your cpu's idle cycles, download their stuff and it runs like a screensaver > > Second, you mentioned F at H.exe looks like a winders (or DOS) executable. > . . Have you made sure F at H.exe will run on linux? has stuff available for both Lin and Win. Go google. -- Jargon file, abrgd.: The September that never ended. On the Internet, every September's freshmen influx got their first accounts and, not knowing how to post/email, always made a nuisance of themselves. Usually they were trained in a few months. But in September 1993, AOL users became able to post, overwhelming the capacity to acculturate them; to those who recall the period before, this triggered a decline in the quality of online communications. Syn. eternal September. http://kinz.org http://www.fedoranews.org Jeff Kinz, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Mar 15 13:27:05 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 08:27:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Push Icon to desktop problem In-Reply-To: <0IDD00J3QNPKKK@l-daemon> References: <0IDD00J3QNPKKK@l-daemon> Message-ID: Here's one I used to remove an "oops" icon from everyone's desktop....not sure if the chmod line was needed....I commented it out, but you can uncomment it.... !#/bin/bash for x in `ls /home`; do echo "Doing $x ..." cd /home/${x}/Desktop chmod 777 iconyouwishtoremove.desktop rm -f iconyouwishtoremove.desktop done David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From spineau at biddschools.org Tue Mar 15 13:37:09 2005 From: spineau at biddschools.org (Scott Pineau) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 08:37:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] ISP Message-ID: I am wondering what schools are using for their ISP in Southern Maine. Scott Pineau Computer/Network Technician Biddeford School Department spineau at biddschools.org 207-286-2712 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: btzhsepa.gif Type: image/gif Size: 978 bytes Desc: btzhsepa.gif URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Network Blitz Bkgrd.gif Type: image/gif Size: 5314 bytes Desc: Network Blitz Bkgrd.gif URL: From gentgeen at linuxmail.org Tue Mar 15 13:42:32 2005 From: gentgeen at linuxmail.org (Kevin Squire) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 08:42:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Push Icon to desktop problem In-Reply-To: References: <0IDD00J3QNPKKK@l-daemon> Message-ID: <20050315084232.2e88aaaf@linuxbox> Dear David, If you are using the script as root, you should not have to do the chmod line. Also, I just thought you might like to change the iconyouwishtoremove.desktop to $1, then you can run it from the command line. So the script would be: !#/bin/bash for x in `ls /home`; do echo "Doing $x ..." cd /home/${x}/Desktop rm -f $1 done Then from the command line do a: foo iconyouwishtoremove.desktop where foo is the name of the script above. Someone even more clever then me can reply with a way to change the $1 into a $ANY so that you could do: foo iconremove1.desktop iconremove2.desktop iconremoveN.desktop On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 08:27:05 -0500 "David Trask" wrote: > Here's one I used to remove an "oops" icon from everyone's > desktop....not sure if the chmod line was needed....I commented it > out, but you can uncomment it.... > > !#/bin/bash > for x in `ls /home`; do > echo "Doing $x ..." > cd /home/${x}/Desktop > chmod 777 iconyouwishtoremove.desktop > rm -f iconyouwishtoremove.desktop > done > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Mar 15 13:59:19 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 08:59:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Push Icon to desktop problem In-Reply-To: <0IDD00J3QNPKKK@l-daemon> References: <0IDD00J3QNPKKK@l-daemon> Message-ID: Here's one I used to remove an "oops" icon from everyone's desktop....not sure if the chmod line was needed....I commented it out, but you can uncomment it.... !#/bin/bash for x in `ls /home`; do echo "Doing $x ..." cd /home/${x}/Desktop #chmod 777 iconyouwishtoremove.desktop rm -f iconyouwishtoremove.desktop done > David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Mar 15 14:04:15 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:04:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Push Icon to desktop problem In-Reply-To: <20050315084232.2e88aaaf@linuxbox> References: <0IDD00J3QNPKKK@l-daemon> < > <20050315084232.2e88aaaf@linuxbox> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 at 8:42 AM +0000 wrote: >!#/bin/bash >for x in `ls /home`; do >echo "Doing $x ..." >cd /home/${x}/Desktop >rm -f $1 >done > >Then from the command line do a: >foo iconyouwishtoremove.desktop Great idea! I'm still new at bash scripting...driven by need only.. ;-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From petre at maltzen.net Tue Mar 15 14:45:28 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 08:45:28 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Push Icon to desktop problem In-Reply-To: <20050315084232.2e88aaaf@linuxbox> References: <0IDD00J3QNPKKK@l-daemon> <20050315084232.2e88aaaf@linuxbox> Message-ID: <4236F508.5090507@maltzen.net> Note that there's a typo in the original script: the first line should begin with #! not !# -- sometimes referred to as 'sh-bang' to make it easy to remember ("Scripts always start with a sh-bang!"). With that out of the way, how about this for incorporating Kevin's suggestion: #!/bin/bash for y in $@; do for x in `ls /home`; do echo "Removing $y from $x..." rm -f /home/${x}/${y} if [ $? != 0 ]; then echo "There was a problem removing /home/${x}/${y}" fi done done I changed the two step process of changing into the user's directory and deleting the file into a single step of deleting the file by specifying the full path. Years ago, I had a system that stopped responding one day. When we looked into it we found that major portions of the system files were just gone. After about 22 hours of scratching our heads, we restored the system from tape. Shortly after we finished restoring, in the middle of the afternoon, the system again stopped responding, and investigation found major portions of the system files missing. Turned out we had a cron job that ran at 1pm every day that found some temp files older than two days and removed them. The script looked something like this: cd /other_logs find . -mtime +2 -exec rm {}\; Guess what happens when someone removes the /other_logs directory because the process that put files in that directory is no longer used (but isn't aware of this cronjob)?! Petre Kevin Squire wrote: > Dear David, > > If you are using the script as root, you should not have to do the chmod > line. Also, I just thought you might like to change the > iconyouwishtoremove.desktop to $1, then you can run it from the command > line. So the script would be: > > > !#/bin/bash > for x in `ls /home`; do > echo "Doing $x ..." > cd /home/${x}/Desktop > rm -f $1 > done > > Then from the command line do a: > foo iconyouwishtoremove.desktop > > where foo is the name of the script above. Someone even more clever > then me can reply with a way to change the $1 into a $ANY so that you > could do: > > foo iconremove1.desktop iconremove2.desktop iconremoveN.desktop > > > > > On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 08:27:05 -0500 > "David Trask" wrote: > > >>Here's one I used to remove an "oops" icon from everyone's >>desktop....not sure if the chmod line was needed....I commented it >>out, but you can uncomment it.... >> >>!#/bin/bash >>for x in `ls /home`; do >>echo "Doing $x ..." >>cd /home/${x}/Desktop >>chmod 777 iconyouwishtoremove.desktop >>rm -f iconyouwishtoremove.desktop >>done >> >> >>David N. Trask >>Technology Teacher/Coordinator >>Vassalboro Community School >>dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >>(207)923-3100 >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see > > > From gentgeen at linuxmail.org Tue Mar 15 14:55:03 2005 From: gentgeen at linuxmail.org (Kevin Squire) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:55:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Push Icon to desktop problem In-Reply-To: <4236F508.5090507@maltzen.net> References: <0IDD00J3QNPKKK@l-daemon> <20050315084232.2e88aaaf@linuxbox> <4236F508.5090507@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <20050315095503.327135f6@linuxbox> Very nice :-) and your example problem gave me a chuckle -- not being mean of course, but "been there" kind of thing. Kevin On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 08:45:28 -0600 Petre Scheie wrote: > Note that there's a typo in the original script: the first line should > begin with #! not !# -- sometimes referred to as 'sh-bang' to make it > easy to remember ("Scripts always start with a sh-bang!"). With that > out of the way, how about this for incorporating Kevin's suggestion: > > #!/bin/bash > for y in $@; do > for x in `ls /home`; do > echo "Removing $y from $x..." > rm -f /home/${x}/${y} > if [ $? != 0 ]; then > echo "There was a problem removing /home/${x}/${y}" > fi > done > done > > I changed the two step process of changing into the user's directory > and deleting the file into a single step of deleting the file by > specifying the full path. Years ago, I had a system that stopped > responding one day. When we looked into it we found that major > portions of the system files were just gone. After about 22 hours of > scratching our heads, we restored the system from tape. Shortly after > we finished restoring, in the middle of the afternoon, the system > again stopped responding, and investigation found major portions of > the system files missing. Turned out we had a cron job that ran at > 1pm every day that found some temp files older than two days and > removed them. The script looked something like this: > > cd /other_logs > find . -mtime +2 -exec rm {}\; > > Guess what happens when someone removes the /other_logs directory > because the process that put files in that directory is no longer used > (but isn't aware of this cronjob)?! > > Petre > > Kevin Squire wrote: > > Dear David, > > > > If you are using the script as root, you should not have to do the > > chmod line. Also, I just thought you might like to change the > > iconyouwishtoremove.desktop to $1, then you can run it from the > > command line. So the script would be: > > > > > > !#/bin/bash > > for x in `ls /home`; do > > echo "Doing $x ..." > > cd /home/${x}/Desktop > > rm -f $1 > > done > > > > Then from the command line do a: > > foo iconyouwishtoremove.desktop > > > > where foo is the name of the script above. Someone even more > > clever then me can reply with a way to change the $1 into a $ANY so > > that you could do: > > > > foo iconremove1.desktop iconremove2.desktop iconremoveN.desktop > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 08:27:05 -0500 > > "David Trask" wrote: > > > > > >>Here's one I used to remove an "oops" icon from everyone's > >>desktop....not sure if the chmod line was needed....I commented it > >>out, but you can uncomment it.... > >> > >>!#/bin/bash > >>for x in `ls /home`; do > >>echo "Doing $x ..." > >>cd /home/${x}/Desktop > >>chmod 777 iconyouwishtoremove.desktop > >>rm -f iconyouwishtoremove.desktop > >>done > >> > >> > >>David N. Trask > >>Technology Teacher/Coordinator > >>Vassalboro Community School > >>dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > >>(207)923-3100 > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>K12OSN mailing list > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>For more info see > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Mar 15 16:00:18 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 11:00:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP on a Mac! See the proof in the pics here! Message-ID: This is a post I made to another list, but the info is still pretty cool....I've tested it with my own iBook and will test other machines later. http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/ltspmac/ The link above shows some truly amazing pictures! It is now possible to boot a Mac as a Linux thin-client! Why would you want to do this? Just imagine...You have a lab full of new Mac Mini's (or whatever you already have)....they can run OS X via the local HD or netboot from an OS X server....OR....they can run Linux via a K12LTSP server....OR ...they can run Windows via a Windows Terminal Server using either the free RDP client or using rdesktop from the Linux session. How cool is that? The Mac is the only piece of hardware at the moment that can run all three OS's like that. So now you're not tied to one OS or teaching one OS...your students can truly become OS agnostic and simply learn how to work with "any" computer...and given that it's a thin-client environment you actually decrease your time spent on workstation management since everything is on one machine...the server. Very cool...and the implications are very far reaching. Now you can squeeze new life out of old hardware by making it into a thin-client. We will be demoing this and other Open Source Mac/Linux stuff at the Northeast Linux conference in June....come and learn more! For more info... http://www.trasksinc.com/NELS In the meantime click the link at the top and check out the pics! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Mar 15 16:28:17 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:28:17 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP on a Mac! See the proof in the pics here! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00ad01c5297b$fea6fd00$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > This is a post I made to another list, but the info is still > pretty cool....I've tested it with my own iBook and will test > other machines later. Heres one for you David. You know how you connect to a Windows Terminal Server with Rdesktop right? I have been wondering a way to do the same to connect to an OSX server. Could VNC server be put on an OSX Server and then use VNC to connect to OSX while in Linux just like you would with Rdesktop to Windows? I don't know if there is a Server Version for OSX or not but I know that Remote Desktop has the feature of connecting to VNC and with a Unix base I can't see why this isn't possible. Food for thought. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Mar 15 16:31:54 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:31:54 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP on a Mac! See the proof in the pics here! In-Reply-To: <00ad01c5297b$fea6fd00$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <00ae01c5297c$7fd13df0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Heres one for you David. You know how you connect to a > Windows Terminal Server with Rdesktop right? I have been > wondering a way to do the same to connect to an OSX server. > Could VNC server be put on an OSX Server and then use VNC to > connect to OSX while in Linux just like you would with > Rdesktop to Windows? I don't know if there is a Server > Version for OSX or not but I know that Remote Desktop has the > feature of connecting to VNC and with a Unix base I can't see > why this isn't possible. > > Food for thought. A little extra thought. We can authenticate OSX to the Samba/LDAP server to pull users and mount /home via nfs and maintain roaming profiles in Mac. So in theory ever user when logged in via VNC could have their own private desktop and settings? -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Mar 15 16:39:54 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 11:39:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP on a Mac! See the proof in the pics here! In-Reply-To: <00ad01c5297b$fea6fd00$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <00ad01c5297b$fea6fd00$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 at 11:28 AM +0000 wrote: >Heres one for you David. You know how you connect to a Windows Terminal >Server with Rdesktop right? I have been wondering a way to do the same >to connect to an OSX server. Hmmm....now you have me thinking. (great...now I won't get anymore sleep this week) ;-) >Could VNC server be put on an OSX Server >and then use VNC to connect to OSX while in Linux just like you would >with Rdesktop to Windows? I don't know if there is a Server Version for >OSX or not but I know that Remote Desktop has the feature of connecting >to VNC and with a Unix base I can't see why this isn't possible. Yes....it's OS X server....similar to the workstation version. But...here's one thing the Macs can do....they can do a diskless netboot now...from an OS X server. Essentially you create a netboot image (nbi) and put it into a netboot share....etc...etc. It works for Mac hardware....wouldn't it be cool if it could work for a Linux terminal... We should study the netboot process and find out how and why. > > >Food for thought. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Mar 15 16:44:17 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 11:44:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP on a Mac! See the proof in the pics here! In-Reply-To: <00ae01c5297c$7fd13df0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <00ae01c5297c$7fd13df0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 at 11:31 AM +0000 wrote: >A little extra thought. We can authenticate OSX to the Samba/LDAP >server to pull users and mount /home via nfs and maintain roaming >profiles in Mac. So in theory ever user when logged in via VNC could >have their own private desktop and settings? Interesting thread here http://macslash.org/article.pl?sid=04/02/10/1454204&mode=thread David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Tue Mar 15 17:58:06 2005 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 11:58:06 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Automatically Login Clients Message-ID: <4237222E.7040104@honeygroveisd.net> Hello all, I found an entry on the Wiki about automatically logging a specific user onto a specific workstation using KDE. Is there a way to do this with Gnome or IceWM? On an related note, I seemed to have messed something up on my 4.1 system. When a user selects IceWM as the window manager, none of the desktop icons appear, until they go to the "Start" button and choose the file browser. Does anyone know what I've done, or more importantly how to fix it? Thanks in advance. -- C-ya, Mark ____ "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence then, is not an act, but a habit." -- Aristotle From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Mar 15 18:00:21 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:00:21 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Automatically Login Clients In-Reply-To: <4237222E.7040104@honeygroveisd.net> References: <4237222E.7040104@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <423722B5.10306@paasda.org> did you disable nautilius? --Huck Mark Cockrell wrote: > Hello all, > I found an entry on the Wiki about automatically logging a specific > user onto a specific workstation using KDE. Is there a way to do this > with Gnome or IceWM? On an related note, I seemed to have messed > something up on my 4.1 system. When a user selects IceWM as the window > manager, none of the desktop icons appear, until they go to the "Start" > button and choose the file browser. Does anyone know what I've done, or > more importantly how to fix it? Thanks in advance. > From carl at snarlnet.com Tue Mar 15 18:46:30 2005 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:46:30 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] low tech solution needed for backing up home directories Message-ID: <42372D86.3070505@snarlnet.com> Hey, Does anyone have a nifty solution for backing up home dirs? All the users are using Samba only. I only have about 20 users. But I'd like one of the users (kindof the school power user) to be able to drag copies to her workstation once a week or so for safety. I was trying to get a "postexec" command to tar each persons home dir when they log out. But it's not working and I have no idea how to troubleshoot it. (People are connecting from Macs mainly and I'm wondering if the Mac ejecting the drive even counts as a "log out".) Any ideas? How are folks without tape drives or a backuppc server backing up home drives on a smaller network. I need an ingenious solution. I'm looking at cron next, but I've never made my own cron script before, I've only typed in commands that I've found in online documentation for various programs, etc. Thanks a million, ck From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Tue Mar 15 19:20:38 2005 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 08:20:38 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] deleting computers from ldapsmb In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200503151922.j2FJMENM025890@dbmail-mx2.orcon.net.nz> [Krsnendu dasa] How can I delete computer account from ldapsmb system? I know how to add them. Smbldap-useradd -w computername Now how to I delete it. I have image copied some computers and changed the sid but now I want to use the same name as before and problems are happening. Therefore I want to delete the old account for the computer and add a new account with the same name. I also changed the name on one computer and want to delete the old name. From scott at hancock.k12.mi.us Tue Mar 15 19:37:10 2005 From: scott at hancock.k12.mi.us (Scott Sherrill) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 14:37:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] low tech solution needed for backing up home directories In-Reply-To: <42372D86.3070505@snarlnet.com> References: <42372D86.3070505@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: <42373966.7060009@hancock.k12.mi.us> Carl Keil wrote: > Hey, > > Does anyone have a nifty solution for backing up home dirs? All the > users are using Samba only. I only have about 20 users. But I'd like > one of the users (kindof the school power user) to be able to drag > copies to her workstation once a week or so for safety. I was trying > to get a "postexec" command to tar each persons home dir when they log > out. But it's not working and I have no idea how to troubleshoot it. > (People are connecting from Macs mainly and I'm wondering if the Mac > ejecting the drive even counts as a "log out".) Any ideas? How are > folks without tape drives or a backuppc server backing up home drives > on a smaller network. I need an ingenious solution. I'm looking at > cron next, but I've never made my own cron script before, I've only > typed in commands that I've found in online documentation for various > programs, etc. > ck. Besides the backuppc method (which is excellent btw), if your home directories are on a LVM you can do snapshots built in. So when a file changes, its automatically backed up. There are different levels you can set up etc. I've not done it myself, but we use a Network Appliance for home directories and it has built in snapshoting. a hastily googled reference: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/snapshots_backup.html Scott From cliebow at downeast.net Tue Mar 15 19:33:22 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 19:33:22 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP on a Mac! See the proof in the pics here! Message-ID: <200503151830.j2FIUE016511@downeast.net> all our ibooks have vnvc server installed as part of our image..so id wager an osx server could too.. chuck > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Tuesday, March 15, 2005 at 11:28 AM +0000 wrote: > >Heres one for you David. You know how you connect to a Windows Terminal > >Server with Rdesktop right? I have been wondering a way to do the same > >to connect to an OSX server. > > Hmmm....now you have me thinking. (great...now I won't get anymore sleep > this week) ;-) > > >Could VNC server be put on an OSX Server > >and then use VNC to connect to OSX while in Linux just like you would > >with Rdesktop to Windows? I don't know if there is a Server Version for > >OSX or not but I know that Remote Desktop has the feature of connecting > >to VNC and with a Unix base I can't see why this isn't possible. > > Yes....it's OS X server....similar to the workstation version. > But...here's one thing the Macs can do....they can do a diskless netboot > now...from an OS X server. Essentially you create a netboot image (nbi) > and put it into a netboot share....etc...etc. It works for Mac > hardware....wouldn't it be cool if it could work for a Linux terminal... > We should study the netboot process and find out how and why. > > > > > >Food for thought. > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From gumprechtm at msln.net Tue Mar 15 19:58:36 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 14:58:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smb cups Message-ID: <42373E6C.3040603@msln.net> I have a k12ltsp driving a small elementary school. Be cause of half finished projects, I have some terminals doing dual boot to windows 98. I have the cups setup to share network printers outside of the ltsp to smb clients inside the ltsp. The terminals all print fine, but the win98 machines ask for a password. I have no passwords set on the win98 machine for printer sharing. I've tried the root password and any other I thought might work... no go. I connected my an xp pro machine external to the ltsp and I can print to the cups cue fine. Is this just not possible because of win98? Any help appreciated. Mark -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Mar 15 20:16:33 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 14:16:33 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP on a Mac! See the proof in the pics here! In-Reply-To: <200503151830.j2FIUE016511@downeast.net> Message-ID: <00b001c5299b$e1847070$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > all our ibooks have vnvc server installed as part of our > image..so id wager an osx server could too.. chuck I am just curious if OSX server is smart enough to allow separate logins simultaneously from multiple users via VNC. I guess there is only one way to find out. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From les at futuresource.com Tue Mar 15 20:35:03 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 14:35:03 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] low tech solution needed for backing up home directories In-Reply-To: <42372D86.3070505@snarlnet.com> References: <42372D86.3070505@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: <1110918903.11985.10.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-03-15 at 12:46, Carl Keil wrote: > > Does anyone have a nifty solution for backing up home dirs? Must be time to plug backuppc again... http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/ Run it on some other linux machine and it will back up anything you want over the network and give you a web interface for restores. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From lewis at pcc.com Tue Mar 15 20:59:10 2005 From: lewis at pcc.com (Lewis Holcroft) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 15:59:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] low tech solution needed for backing up home directories In-Reply-To: <42372D86.3070505@snarlnet.com> References: <42372D86.3070505@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: I found this link very useful. http://www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/ It's very detailed. I used this link as the base to backup my system to a removable hard drive. But the drive does not have to be removable. Lewis On Mar 15, 2005, at 1:46 PM, Carl Keil wrote: > Hey, > > Does anyone have a nifty solution for backing up home dirs? All the > users are using Samba only. I only have about 20 users. But I'd like > one of the users (kindof the school power user) to be able to drag > copies to her workstation once a week or so for safety. I was trying > to get a "postexec" command to tar each persons home dir when they log > out. But it's not working and I have no idea how to troubleshoot it. > (People are connecting from Macs mainly and I'm wondering if the Mac > ejecting the drive even counts as a "log out".) Any ideas? How are > folks without tape drives or a backuppc server backing up home drives > on a smaller network. I need an ingenious solution. I'm looking at > cron next, but I've never made my own cron script before, I've only > typed in commands that I've found in online documentation for various > programs, etc. > > Thanks a million, > > ck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Tue Mar 15 21:07:39 2005 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 15:07:39 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Automatically Login Clients Message-ID: <42374E9B.8020703@honeygroveisd.net> > did you disable nautilius? > > --Huck > > Mark Cockrell wrote: Hello all, > I found an entry on the Wiki about automatically logging a specific > user onto a specific workstation using KDE. Is there a way to do this > with Gnome or IceWM? On an related note, I seemed to have messed > something up on my 4.1 system. When a user selects IceWM as the window > manager, none of the desktop icons appear, until they go to the > "Start" button and choose the file browser. Does anyone know what I've > done, or more importantly how to fix it? Thanks in advance. I'm not sure. I was mucking around in places I probably shouldn't have been. Where do I look to know if I disabled Nautilus? -- C-ya, Mark ____ Telly Savalas and Louis Armstrong died on their birthdays. From petre at maltzen.net Tue Mar 15 21:51:13 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 15:51:13 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] low tech solution needed for backing up home directories In-Reply-To: <1110918903.11985.10.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <42372D86.3070505@snarlnet.com> <1110918903.11985.10.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <423758D1.8030204@maltzen.net> A really, really low-tech method would be to have root just tar /home and then use, say, scp to copy it to another machine. Then you just put it in cron to run once a week or once a night, or whatever. Les Mikesell wrote: > On Tue, 2005-03-15 at 12:46, Carl Keil wrote: > >>Does anyone have a nifty solution for backing up home dirs? > > > Must be time to plug backuppc again... > http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/ > Run it on some other linux machine and it will back up > anything you want over the network and give you a web > interface for restores. > From john at coronet.co.uk Tue Mar 15 21:59:06 2005 From: john at coronet.co.uk (John Ingleby) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:59:06 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] low tech solution needed for backing up home directories In-Reply-To: <20050315210808.4FF1D737D2@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050315210808.4FF1D737D2@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1110923947.19127.35.camel@sabre.house.coronet.net> On Tue, 2005-03-15 at 10:46:30, Carl Keil wrote: > How are > folks without tape drives or a backuppc server backing up home drives on > a smaller network. I'm supporting a small network with just 3 terminals. The server has 2 hard drives, and to start with it ran a background cron job every 30 mins to rsync the main /home dirs from drive A to drive B. I thought the rsync would impact users, but they didn't notice, so perhaps a more frequent rsync might have worked. That all went fine until one day drive A crashed... so now the server uses RAID-1 mirroring. If you contact me I can send you my notes, depending on your setup. John Ingleby ************ From david at okgoodwill.org Tue Mar 15 22:48:43 2005 From: david at okgoodwill.org (David H. Barr) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 16:48:43 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] HP NetRaid (LSI MegaRaid) & invisible drives Message-ID: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E282119F4C@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> Around Friday, March 11, 2005 1:44 PM, David H. Barr () wrote: >>> Apparently (from what I've gathered) FC3 and HP NetRaids don't play >>> well together. Anyone on the Fedora lists forward this for me? The >>> actual part is known as "HP NetRAID 1si" / "LSI MegaRAID Express >>> 200" / "Dell PERC2/SE", and apparently this was at one time "Bug >>> 135484" for Fedora Core 3... help? >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/beta/show_bug.cgi?id=138590 >> You might try the driver disk mentioned in comment #22. > Thanks for that tip, Dan. It got me over the initial install hump. > I successfully walked through a noprobe install, but then on reboot I > get the following: ?snip scsi-related "no volume" error messages? > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2004-December/msg01164.html > is the only other place I can find a reference to this bug other than > 135484 and 138590. As per those suggestions, I've booted off of a > Fedora Core 2 rescue CD (FC3 resc displays same misbehaviour) and > edited my /etc/modprobe.conf (replaced megaraid_mbox with megaraid). > Still nothing. Over the weekend I just downloaded k12ltsp 4.1.1 based on FC2, and that's working fine. I got five workstations booted today, and boy are they fast! The only thing I'm worried about now is how to update my system to the most recent packages without running into the megaraid / FC3 issue. I've heard it's fixed in the rawhide release; think it would be safe to give it a whack? Since I don't have any active users yet, I'll probably just go for it unless I hear something significant back from the list. Thanks Again, David H. Barr Sys / Net Admin Oklahoma Goodwill Industries 410 SW Third ST Oklahoma City, OK 73109 PS: I have seen a few discussions on changing out NFS swap for local swap; I have -not- seen details of how this can be accomplished. Any links / pointers? From nelsda at yahoo.com Tue Mar 15 22:55:29 2005 From: nelsda at yahoo.com (David D. Nelson) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 14:55:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Can't see internet on fresh 4.2.0 install In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050315225529.4201.qmail@web51903.mail.yahoo.com> I tried the acpi=off and it didn't change. When I ping I get a network not reachable still. This box worked fine on K12LTSP 3.x. When I do a fresh install of 4.2.0 do I select the HTML box if I'm not hosting web pages on this box? Maybe it isn't the firewall and maybe it is the network line. Any ideas? David --- Angus Carr wrote: > This happened to me, and was traced down to an ACPI > bug in the BIOS. > Anyway, the solution was to add acpi=off to the > kernel command line. > You can test that by editting the command line at > boot time using grub's > tools for doing that. If you want to test it > permanently, you can edit > /etc/grub.conf and add it there. > > This may not be the problem, but it has happened to > others. > > Angus Carr. > > > David D. Nelson wrote: > > >I can't get a new install of K12LTSP 4.2.0 to see > the > >internet. I have a static IP which is connected to > >eth1. I have set the correct ip, mask, and gateway > >according to what my ISP provided. I know they work > >because I can connect with a windows box using the > >same settings. I can ping eth1's ip but when I try > to > >ping anything on the outside I get a message which > >says something like network not reachable. I > finally > >did a default install to see if it was something I > did > >wrong and it still doesn't work. Could there be > some > >firewall settings I need to set? If so, how/what do > I > >set them to? At this point I don't need to host > >anything. I just want my terminals back and be able > to > >have the LTSP box be a firewall and router to the > >internet. > > > >Thank you. > > > > > >David D. Nelson > >nelsda at yahoo.com > > > > > > > >__________________________________ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > >http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > David D. Nelson nelsda at yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Mar 15 23:28:14 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 15:28:14 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Automatically Login Clients In-Reply-To: <42374E9B.8020703@honeygroveisd.net> References: <42374E9B.8020703@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <42376F8E.6020800@paasda.org> Mark Cockrell wrote: >> did you disable nautilius? >> >> --Huck >> >> Mark Cockrell wrote: Hello all, >> I found an entry on the Wiki about automatically logging a specific >> user onto a specific workstation using KDE. Is there a way to do this >> with Gnome or IceWM? On an related note, I seemed to have messed >> something up on my 4.1 system. When a user selects IceWM as the window >> manager, none of the desktop icons appear, until they go to the >> "Start" button and choose the file browser. Does anyone know what I've >> done, or more importantly how to fix it? Thanks in advance. > > > > I'm not sure. I was mucking around in places I probably shouldn't have > been. Where do I look to know if I disabled Nautilus? > for me it is: /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions check the various files in there... mine is named IceWM --Huck From cliebow at downeast.net Tue Mar 15 23:23:13 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 23:23:13 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP on a Mac! See the proof in the pics here! Message-ID: <200503152220.j2FMK5020291@downeast.net> that is a real stretch 9~) chuck > > all our ibooks have vnvc server installed as part of our > > image..so id wager an osx server could too.. chuck > > I am just curious if OSX server is smart enough to allow separate logins > simultaneously from multiple users via VNC. I guess there is only one > way to find out. > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From awoehler at woehler.us Wed Mar 16 00:45:55 2005 From: awoehler at woehler.us (Aaron Woehler) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 17:45:55 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Squid+Novell authentication help available Message-ID: <423781C3.1060905@woehler.us> I've seen several messages about people wanting to be able to authenticate via novell so I though that I would share my solution. Squid talks to Novell via ldap through a custom helper that I've written and is available at http://www.woehler.us/?q=node/22. The advantage is that it checks 2 containers both staff and student of the tree. Any feedback on how to improve this would be appreciated. I hope someone finds this useful. Aaron awoehler at woehler.us From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Wed Mar 16 00:56:02 2005 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:56:02 +1300 Subject: [K12OSN] mounting extra LVM with same name - accessing files from my old K12LTSP 4.2 installation In-Reply-To: <423781C3.1060905@woehler.us> Message-ID: <200503160056.j2G0ubTn021389@dbmail-mx3.orcon.net.nz> [Krsnendu dasa] I have installed K12LTSP on a new server (exact same architecture as previous). Now I want to copy some files from previous installation. (/homes etc.) I thought I would just plug in the hard drive from the other machine and mount it. But both are LVM with the same name and I don't know how to access them. I thought of trying to rename one of the LVMs and then trying to mount it. Then copying the files from one to the other. Of course I could also copy through the network, but I would also like to understand better how LVM works. From lsrpm-1 at shaw.ca Wed Mar 16 01:26:04 2005 From: lsrpm-1 at shaw.ca (Liam Marshall) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 19:26:04 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] HP NetRaid (LSI MegaRaid) & invisible drives Message-ID: <171f23170c22.170c22171f23@shaw.ca> I have 4.2 running fine on a lsi megaraid 150 using 4 drives, raid 5 with a hot spare no problem out of the box. guess I got lucky. didn't know there was a problem with megaraid and fc3 ----- Original Message ----- From: "David H. Barr" Date: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 4:48 pm Subject: RE: [K12OSN] HP NetRaid (LSI MegaRaid) & invisible drives > Around Friday, March 11, 2005 1:44 PM, > David H. Barr () wrote: > > >>> Apparently (from what I've gathered) FC3 and HP NetRaids don't > play>>> well together. Anyone on the Fedora lists forward this > for me? The > >>> actual part is known as "HP NetRAID 1si" / "LSI MegaRAID Express > >>> 200" / "Dell PERC2/SE", and apparently this was at one time "Bug > >>> 135484" for Fedora Core 3... help? > > >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/beta/show_bug.cgi?id=138590 > >> You might try the driver disk mentioned in comment #22. > > > Thanks for that tip, Dan. It got me over the initial install > hump. > > I successfully walked through a noprobe install, but then on > reboot I > > get the following: > > ?snip scsi-related "no volume" error messages? > > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2004- > December/msg01164.html> is the only other place I can find a > reference to this bug other than > > 135484 and 138590. As per those suggestions, I've booted off of a > > Fedora Core 2 rescue CD (FC3 resc displays same misbehaviour) and > > edited my /etc/modprobe.conf (replaced megaraid_mbox with > megaraid). > > Still nothing. > > Over the weekend I just downloaded k12ltsp 4.1.1 based on FC2, and > that's working fine. I got five workstations booted today, and > boy are they fast! The only thing I'm worried about now is how to > update my system to the most recent packages without running into > the megaraid / FC3 issue. I've heard it's fixed in the rawhide > release; think it would be safe to give it a whack? Since I don't > have any active users yet, I'll probably just go for it unless I > hear something significant back from the list. > > Thanks Again, > David H. Barr > Sys / Net Admin > Oklahoma Goodwill Industries > 410 SW Third ST > Oklahoma City, OK 73109 > > PS: I have seen a few discussions on changing out NFS swap for > local swap; I have -not- seen details of how this can be > accomplished. Any links / pointers? > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see <" target="l">http://www.k12os.org> > From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Mar 16 02:16:28 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:16:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP on a Mac! See the proof in the pics here! In-Reply-To: <200503151830.j2FIUE016511@downeast.net> References: <200503151830.j2FIUE016511@downeast.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 at 2:33 PM +0000 wrote: >all our ibooks have vnvc server installed as part of our image..so id >wager >an osx server could too.. It can...as I do it. I have OS X VNCserver installed on my Xserve....I'll test the multiple logins tomorrow...can't seem to access my server right now. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Wed Mar 16 09:07:07 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:07:07 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] deleting computers from ldapsmb References: <200503151922.j2FJMENM025890@dbmail-mx2.orcon.net.nz> Message-ID: <00c501c52a07$87b4d500$65c8a8c0@brianwork> Krsnendu dasa wrote: > [Krsnendu dasa] How can I delete computer account from ldapsmb system? > I know how to add them. Smbldap-useradd -w computername > Now how to I delete it. > I have image copied some computers and changed the sid but now I want > to use the same name as before and problems are happening. Therefore > I want to delete the old account for the computer and add a new > account with the same name. > > I also changed the name on one computer and want to delete the old > name. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see smbldap-userdel computername$ so for example if the computers called PC75261 you'd use smbldap-userdel PC75261$ Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Mar 16 13:54:55 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 07:54:55 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP on a Mac! See the proof in the pics here! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000301c52a2f$bc3c8700$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > It can...as I do it. I have OS X VNCserver installed on my > Xserve....I'll test the multiple logins tomorrow...can't seem > to access my server right now. Thanks Dave. Let me know the results. I think this could be usefull if it will handle multiple simultaneous logins from different users. I suppose the main catch is if it give you a login screen when you connect. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From david at okgoodwill.org Wed Mar 16 14:03:33 2005 From: david at okgoodwill.org (David H. Barr) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 08:03:33 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] HP NetRaid (LSI MegaRaid) & invisible drives Message-ID: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E282119F4D@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> Around Tuesday, March 15, 2005 7:26 PM, Liam Marshall (mailto:lsrpm-1 at shaw.ca) wrote: > From: "David H. Barr" > Date: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 4:48 pm > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] HP NetRaid (LSI MegaRaid) & invisible drives >> Around Friday, March 11, 2005 1:44 PM, >> David H. Barr () wrote: >>>>> Apparently (from what I've gathered) FC3 and HP NetRaids don't >>>>> play>>> well together. Anyone on the Fedora lists forward this >>>>> for me? The >>>>> actual part is known as "HP NetRAID 1si" / "LSI MegaRAID Express >>>>> 200" / "Dell PERC2/SE", and apparently this was at one time "Bug >>>>> 135484" for Fedora Core 3... help? >>>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/beta/show_bug.cgi?id=138590 >>>> You might try the driver disk mentioned in comment #22. >>> Thanks for that tip, Dan. It got me over the initial install hump. >>> I successfully walked through a noprobe install, but then on reboot >> ?snip scsi-related "no volume" error messages? >>> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2004- >>> December/msg01164.html> is the only other place I can find a >>> reference to this bug other than >>> 135484 and 138590. As per those suggestions, I've booted off of a >>> Fedora Core 2 rescue CD (FC3 resc displays same misbehaviour) and >>> edited my /etc/modprobe.conf (replaced megaraid_mbox with megaraid). >> boy are they fast! The only thing I'm worried about now is how to >> update my system to the most recent packages without running into >> the megaraid / FC3 issue. I've heard it's fixed in the rawhide > I have 4.2 running fine on a lsi megaraid 150 using 4 drives, raid 5 > with a hot spare no problem out of the box. guess I got lucky. > didn't know there was a problem with megaraid and fc3 Would you mind sharing your /etc/modprobe.conf, at least the alias_scsihostadapter entries? Thanks, David H. Barr Sys / Net Admin Oklahoma Goodwill Industries 410 SW Third ST Oklahoma City, OK 73109 From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Mar 16 14:24:15 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 08:24:15 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Can't see internet on fresh 4.2.0 install In-Reply-To: <20050315225529.4201.qmail@web51903.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000401c52a33$d5427c10$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > I tried the acpi=off and it didn't change. When I ping > I get a network not reachable still. This box worked > fine on K12LTSP 3.x. Darn. I was hoping this would fix it for you. I have a box that has the exact same problem. Running 3.x no problems at all, switched to 4.x and I couldn't get to the internet and had the same network unreachable error. Adding the acpi=off worked fine for me. > When I do a fresh install of 4.2.0 do I select the > HTML box if I'm not hosting web pages on this box? > Maybe it isn't the firewall and maybe it is the > network line. Any ideas? > > David > --- Angus Carr wrote: > > This happened to me, and was traced down to an ACPI > > bug in the BIOS. > > Anyway, the solution was to add acpi=off to the > > kernel command line. > > You can test that by editting the command line at > > boot time using grub's > > tools for doing that. If you want to test it > > permanently, you can edit > > /etc/grub.conf and add it there. > > > > This may not be the problem, but it has happened to > > others. > > > > Angus Carr. > > > > > > David D. Nelson wrote: > > > > >I can't get a new install of K12LTSP 4.2.0 to see > > the > > >internet. I have a static IP which is connected to > > >eth1. I have set the correct ip, mask, and gateway > > >according to what my ISP provided. I know they work > > >because I can connect with a windows box using the > > >same settings. I can ping eth1's ip but when I try > > to > > >ping anything on the outside I get a message which > > >says something like network not reachable. I > > finally > > >did a default install to see if it was something I > > did > > >wrong and it still doesn't work. Could there be > > some > > >firewall settings I need to set? If so, how/what do > > I > > >set them to? At this point I don't need to host > > >anything. I just want my terminals back and be able > > to > > >have the LTSP box be a firewall and router to the > > >internet. > > > > > >Thank you. > > > > > > > > >David D. Nelson > > >nelsda at yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________ > > >Do you Yahoo!? > > >Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > > >http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >K12OSN mailing list > > >K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > >For more info see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > David D. Nelson > nelsda at yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jam at mcquil.com Wed Mar 16 14:26:09 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:26:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Can't see internet on fresh 4.2.0 install In-Reply-To: <000401c52a33$d5427c10$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000401c52a33$d5427c10$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: One of the major differences between k12ltsp-3 and k12ltsp-4 is the server now uses a 2.6 kernel. I point this out, because the 2.6 kernel detects network interfaces differently, and many times in the reverse order. So, what was eth0 and eth1 on a 2.4 kernel becomes eth1 and eth0. If you are having networking troubles after upgrading to anything with a 2.6 kernel, try swapping the network cables. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Wed, 16 Mar 2005, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > I tried the acpi=off and it didn't change. When I ping > > I get a network not reachable still. This box worked > > fine on K12LTSP 3.x. > > Darn. I was hoping this would fix it for you. I have a box that has > the exact same problem. Running 3.x no problems at all, switched to 4.x > and I couldn't get to the internet and had the same network unreachable > error. Adding the acpi=off worked fine for me. > > > When I do a fresh install of 4.2.0 do I select the > > HTML box if I'm not hosting web pages on this box? > > Maybe it isn't the firewall and maybe it is the > > network line. Any ideas? > > > > David > > --- Angus Carr wrote: > > > This happened to me, and was traced down to an ACPI > > > bug in the BIOS. > > > Anyway, the solution was to add acpi=off to the > > > kernel command line. > > > You can test that by editting the command line at > > > boot time using grub's > > > tools for doing that. If you want to test it > > > permanently, you can edit > > > /etc/grub.conf and add it there. > > > > > > This may not be the problem, but it has happened to > > > others. > > > > > > Angus Carr. > > > > > > > > > David D. Nelson wrote: > > > > > > >I can't get a new install of K12LTSP 4.2.0 to see > > > the > > > >internet. I have a static IP which is connected to > > > >eth1. I have set the correct ip, mask, and gateway > > > >according to what my ISP provided. I know they work > > > >because I can connect with a windows box using the > > > >same settings. I can ping eth1's ip but when I try > > > to > > > >ping anything on the outside I get a message which > > > >says something like network not reachable. I > > > finally > > > >did a default install to see if it was something I > > > did > > > >wrong and it still doesn't work. Could there be > > > some > > > >firewall settings I need to set? If so, how/what do > > > I > > > >set them to? At this point I don't need to host > > > >anything. I just want my terminals back and be able > > > to > > > >have the LTSP box be a firewall and router to the > > > >internet. > > > > > > > >Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > >David D. Nelson > > > >nelsda at yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________ > > > >Do you Yahoo!? > > > >Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > > > >http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > >K12OSN mailing list > > > >K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > >For more info see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > David D. Nelson > > nelsda at yahoo.com > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > -- > > This message has been scanned for viruses and > > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Mar 16 17:13:33 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:13:33 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] SchoolTool Installation/Possible Inclusion with K12LTSP Message-ID: <001b01c52a4b$7b847800$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> With the recent discussion of a sort of future partnership with Ubuntu and the Mark ShuttleWorth foundation, could this possibly be included as a built-in software with K12LTSP in a future release? It has quite a few dependancies from what I notice all in source and takes quite awhile to install, and very criptic for a beginner. I have a school (and depending on the results possibly more) interested in using this to manage their school. However after making the suggestion to install it he is having some trouble getting it installed. Given the future and the scope of what this software covers I think it would be awesome to have bundled. Also if anyone has and installation notes or detailed instructions please post them so I can send them off to the school. Thanks Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Mar 16 17:33:05 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 12:33:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SchoolTool Installation/Possible Inclusion with K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <001b01c52a4b$7b847800$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001b01c52a4b$7b847800$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 at 12:13 PM +0000 wrote: >With the recent discussion of a sort of future partnership with Ubuntu >and the Mark ShuttleWorth foundation, could this possibly be included as >a built-in software with K12LTSP in a future release? > >It has quite a few dependancies from what I notice all in source and >takes quite awhile to install, and very criptic for a beginner. I have >a school (and depending on the results possibly more) interested in >using this to manage their school. However after making the suggestion >to install it he is having some trouble getting it installed. > >Given the future and the scope of what this software covers I think it >would be awesome to have bundled. > >Also if anyone has and installation notes or detailed instructions >please post them so I can send them off to the school. In addition....Tom Hoffman...one of the guys with SchoolTool will be a presenter at the Northeast Linux Symposium (http://www.trasksinc.com/NELS) He'll be giving at least a mini-session on SchoolTool David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From greg.hovland at hopelhs.org Wed Mar 16 20:09:50 2005 From: greg.hovland at hopelhs.org (Rev. Greg Hovland) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:09:50 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] TeacherTool error for "Run VNC" Command Message-ID: <1111003790.27406.2.camel@ltsp> List: I am trying to run VNC in TeacherTool and get the following error: VNC viewer for X version 4.0 - built Aug 27 2004 09:46:58 Copyright (C) 2002-2004 RealVNC Ltd. See http://www.realvnc.com for information on VNC. Xlib: connection to "ws241.ltsp:0.0" refused by server Xlib: No protocol specified vncviewer: unable to open display "ws241.ltsp:0.0" How do I correct this? Thank you! Greg Hovland From tom.hoffman at gmail.com Wed Mar 16 21:40:11 2005 From: tom.hoffman at gmail.com (Tom Hoffman) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:40:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SchoolTool Installation/Possible Inclusion with K12LTSP In-Reply-To: References: <001b01c52a4b$7b847800$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <92de6c8805031613409f9fb26@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 12:33:05 -0500, David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Wednesday, March 16, 2005 at 12:13 PM +0000 wrote: > >With the recent discussion of a sort of future partnership with Ubuntu > >and the Mark ShuttleWorth foundation, could this possibly be included as > >a built-in software with K12LTSP in a future release? That's the plan. > >It has quite a few dependancies from what I notice all in source and > >takes quite awhile to install, and very criptic for a beginner. I have > >a school (and depending on the results possibly more) interested in > >using this to manage their school. However after making the suggestion > >to install it he is having some trouble getting it installed. Actually, we have a new release as of yesterday called SchoolBell 1.0 which is _much_ simpler to install. First off, I should explain that "SchoolBell" is essentially SchoolTool's group/organization calendaring functionality without any school-specific references. All subsequent versions of SchoolTool will be based on the SchoolBell 1.0 code. The SchoolTool 0.x line is an evolutionary dead end, so I strongly urge you to download SchoolBell 1.0 from http://schooltool.org/schoolbell We hope to have ported our school-specific calendaring functionality to the new platform in about six weeks. Here's the explanation for the changes. SchoolTool's architecture was designed over a year ago by Steve Alexander with Zope 3 in mind, but Zope 3 (which is a complete rewrite of Zope 2, the only Zope you're likely to have interacted with) wasn't done, and nobody could guarantee when it would be done, so the compromise approach was to use stable parts of Zope 3 with other pieces cobbled together from other projects, leading to the somewhat complex dependencies of the previous versions of SchoolTool. Zope 3 is now stable enough to use, and we've decided to move the existing functionality over to Zope 3, starting with the calendaring functionality, since we'd like to have something usable as quickly as possible. From your point of view, this isn't such a bad thing, because the earlier SchoolTool versions tended to have lots of functionality and not much usability, which was off-putting for obvious reasons. Now we're starting from a simpler, more usable, genuinely functional base, and functionality will be added incrementally. It'll be much easier to keep track of the progressive development of SchoolTool. The delays caused by this whole approach have been annoying, but we're extremely excited about the power that Zope 3 can lend to SchoolTool. I've posted some more documentation on the SchoolBell page and will be adding more (for the rest of my life, I think). For SchoolBell 1.0 the only dependency is a current Python. There might be a coupe other Python RPM's that are part of the standard Python distribution but not in the core Python RPM, depending on how they do the packaging. Now that the SB 1.0 tarball is out we'll have to get Eric going on the RPM binary, at which point installation will be that much easier. > In addition....Tom Hoffman...one of the guys with SchoolTool will be a > presenter at the Northeast Linux Symposium > (http://www.trasksinc.com/NELS) He'll be giving at least a mini-session > on SchoolTool I'm looking forward to meeting many of you in Maine. It'll be my first opportunity to talk with a group of open-source oriented ed tech people about SchoolTool (other than when I talk to myself) and I hope to get lots of ideas and insight. Tom Hoffman SchoolTool project manager From greg.hovland at hopelhs.org Wed Mar 16 22:46:33 2005 From: greg.hovland at hopelhs.org (Greg Hovland) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:46:33 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] SchoolTool Installation/Possible Inclusion with K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <92de6c8805031613409f9fb26@mail.gmail.com> References: <001b01c52a4b$7b847800$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> <92de6c8805031613409f9fb26@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > First off, I should explain that "SchoolBell" is essentially > SchoolTool's group/organization calendaring functionality without any > school-specific references. All subsequent versions of SchoolTool > will be based on the SchoolBell 1.0 code. The SchoolTool 0.x line is > an evolutionary dead end, so I strongly urge you to download > SchoolBell 1.0 from http://schooltool.org/schoolbell We hope to have > ported our school-specific calendaring functionality to the new > platform in about six weeks. Will SchoolTool continue to do all the administrative/database/gradebook things besides the calendar? From lsrpm-1 at shaw.ca Wed Mar 16 23:07:47 2005 From: lsrpm-1 at shaw.ca (Liam Marshall) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:07:47 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] HP NetRaid (LSI MegaRaid) & invisible drives In-Reply-To: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E282119F4D@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> Message-ID: <0IDG0070SW952P@l-daemon> Snip... > I have 4.2 running fine on a lsi megaraid 150 using 4 drives, raid 5 > with a hot spare no problem out of the box. guess I got lucky. > didn't know there was a problem with megaraid and fc3 Would you mind sharing your /etc/modprobe.conf, at least the alias_scsihostadapter entries? Thanks, David H. Barr Sys / Net Admin Oklahoma Goodwill Industries Sorry, didn't get this till after hours, tomorrow will find the file and share From cliebow at downeast.net Wed Mar 16 23:39:50 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 23:39:50 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] TeacherTool error for "Run VNC" Command Message-ID: <200503162236.j2GMaYV28553@downeast.net> if you are using my Teach2.py it relies on the -via cmd which is good only in tightvnc..also be sure disable_access_control = Y in lts.conf..i even hard code in screen.d/startx to be SURE access control is off havnt got one in front of me but "-ac" rings a bell > List: > > I am trying to run VNC in TeacherTool and get the following error: > > > VNC viewer for X version 4.0 - built Aug 27 2004 09:46:58 > Copyright (C) 2002-2004 RealVNC Ltd. > See http://www.realvnc.com for information on VNC. > Xlib: connection to "ws241.ltsp:0.0" refused by server > Xlib: No protocol specified > > vncviewer: unable to open display "ws241.ltsp:0.0" > > How do I correct this? > > Thank you! > > Greg Hovland > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From tom.hoffman at gmail.com Thu Mar 17 00:17:10 2005 From: tom.hoffman at gmail.com (Tom Hoffman) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 19:17:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SchoolTool Installation/Possible Inclusion with K12LTSP In-Reply-To: References: <001b01c52a4b$7b847800$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <92de6c8805031616172ae1b93a@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 12:33:05 -0500, David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Wednesday, March 16, 2005 at 12:13 PM +0000 wrote: > >With the recent discussion of a sort of future partnership with Ubuntu > >and the Mark ShuttleWorth foundation, could this possibly be included as > >a built-in software with K12LTSP in a future release? That's the plan. > >It has quite a few dependancies from what I notice all in source and > >takes quite awhile to install, and very criptic for a beginner. I have > >a school (and depending on the results possibly more) interested in > >using this to manage their school. However after making the suggestion > >to install it he is having some trouble getting it installed. Actually, we have a new release as of yesterday called SchoolBell 1.0 which is _much_ simpler to install. First off, I should explain that "SchoolBell" is essentially SchoolTool's group/organization calendaring functionality without any school-specific references. All subsequent versions of SchoolTool will be based on the SchoolBell 1.0 code. The SchoolTool 0.x line is an evolutionary dead end, so I strongly urge you to download SchoolBell 1.0 from http://schooltool.org/schoolbell We hope to have ported our school-specific calendaring functionality to the new platform in about six weeks. Here's the explanation for the changes. SchoolTool's architecture was designed over a year ago by Steve Alexander with Zope 3 in mind, but Zope 3 (which is a complete rewrite of Zope 2, the only Zope you're likely to have interacted with) wasn't done, and nobody could guarantee when it would be done, so the compromise approach was to use stable parts of Zope 3 with other pieces cobbled together from other projects, leading to the somewhat complex dependencies of the previous versions of SchoolTool. Zope 3 is now stable enough to use, and we've decided to move the existing functionality over to Zope 3, starting with the calendaring functionality, since we'd like to have something usable as quickly as possible. From your point of view, this isn't such a bad thing, because the earlier SchoolTool versions tended to have lots of functionality and not much usability, which was off-putting for obvious reasons. Now we're starting from a simpler, more usable, genuinely functional base, and functionality will be added incrementally. It'll be much easier to keep track of the progressive development of SchoolTool. The delays caused by this whole approach have been annoying, but we're extremely excited about the power that Zope 3 can lend to SchoolTool. I've posted some more documentation on the SchoolBell page and will be adding more (for the rest of my life, I think). For SchoolBell 1.0 the only dependency is a current Python. There might be a coupe other Python RPM's that are part of the standard Python distribution but not in the core Python RPM, depending on how they do the packaging. Now that the SB 1.0 tarball is out we'll have to get Eric going on the RPM binary, at which point installation will be that much easier. > In addition....Tom Hoffman...one of the guys with SchoolTool will be a > presenter at the Northeast Linux Symposium > (http://www.trasksinc.com/NELS) He'll be giving at least a mini-session > on SchoolTool I'm looking forward to meeting many of you in Maine. It'll be my first opportunity to talk with a group of open-source oriented ed tech people about SchoolTool (other than when I talk to myself) and I hope to get lots of ideas and insight. Tom Hoffman SchoolTool project manager From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Mar 17 01:26:38 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:26:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] SchoolTool Installation/Possible Inclusion with K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <92de6c8805031616172ae1b93a@mail.gmail.com> References: <001b01c52a4b$7b847800$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> <92de6c8805031616172ae1b93a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 16 Mar 2005, Tom Hoffman wrote: > On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 12:33:05 -0500, David Trask > wrote: >> "Support list for opensource software in schools." on >> Wednesday, March 16, 2005 at 12:13 PM +0000 wrote: >>> With the recent discussion of a sort of future partnership with Ubuntu >>> and the Mark ShuttleWorth foundation, could this possibly be included as >>> a built-in software with K12LTSP in a future release? > > That's the plan. Yup. > but not in the core Python RPM, depending on how they do the > packaging. Now that the SB 1.0 tarball is out we'll have to get Eric > going on the RPM binary, at which point installation will be that much > easier. It took me about five minutes to install on a test server. The only package I had to add was the python-twisted package, which is included in the Fedora Extras repository. In theory I should a working schooltool package for K12LTSP real-soon-now. -Eric From tom.hoffman at gmail.com Thu Mar 17 01:53:07 2005 From: tom.hoffman at gmail.com (Tom Hoffman) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 20:53:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SchoolTool Installation/Possible Inclusion with K12LTSP In-Reply-To: References: <001b01c52a4b$7b847800$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> <92de6c8805031613409f9fb26@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <92de6c8805031617537eee8977@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:46:33 -0600, Greg Hovland wrote: > > First off, I should explain that "SchoolBell" is essentially > > SchoolTool's group/organization calendaring functionality without any > > school-specific references. All subsequent versions of SchoolTool > > will be based on the SchoolBell 1.0 code. The SchoolTool 0.x line is > > an evolutionary dead end, so I strongly urge you to download > > SchoolBell 1.0 from http://schooltool.org/schoolbell We hope to have > > ported our school-specific calendaring functionality to the new > > platform in about six weeks. > > Will SchoolTool continue to do all the administrative/database/gradebook > things besides the calendar? Actually, SchoolTool 0.x didn't do a heck of a lot beyond calendar and schedule related functionality anyhow. After SchoolTool Calendar later in the spring, we're shooting for a September release of SchoolTool 1.0, which will include more student information system functionality, and then a full SchoolTool SIS release in about a year. If it seems like this project is moving slowly, it is because much depends on our getting the basic architecture right. One reason that no open source SIS's have taken hold on a significant scale is that it is often easier to just write your own SIS that fits your school's needs exactly with LAMP, Filemaker, FoxPro, etc. that in is to figure out someone else's system, decide that it is actually trustworthy, and learn how to reliably modify it to fit your needs. If we don't have a very carefully designed and documented foundation, nobody will want to bother building other stuff on it. --Tom From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Mar 17 04:09:16 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:09:16 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] SchoolTool Installation/Possible Inclusion with K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <92de6c8805031617537eee8977@mail.gmail.com> References: <001b01c52a4b$7b847800$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> <92de6c8805031613409f9fb26@mail.gmail.com> <92de6c8805031617537eee8977@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20050317040521.M4725@winonacotter.org> > Actually, SchoolTool 0.x didn't do a heck of a lot beyond calendar > and schedule related functionality anyhow. After SchoolTool > Calendar later in the spring, we're shooting for a September release > of SchoolTool 1.0, which will include more student information > system functionality, and then a full SchoolTool SIS release in > about a year. That answers a lot of question for me. I thought the scope looked like it included a lot more than the release let off. I am glad you are taking a more controlled approach to development. This type of software is very important to schools and to have a strong base will go far. I will eagerly await the SchoolTool 1.0 version to demo, I hope you post here with betas to test in the meantime. Eric, thanks for the work to get this included in K12LTSP. It definitely is one of the big software chunks left to move from a Windows or Mac system. This will be a big step. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Mar 17 04:14:11 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:14:11 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] TeacherTool error for "Run VNC" Command In-Reply-To: <200503162236.j2GMaYV28553@downeast.net> References: <200503162236.j2GMaYV28553@downeast.net> Message-ID: <20050317040932.M20502@winonacotter.org> > if you are using my Teach2.py it relies on the -via cmd which is > good only in tightvnc..also be sure disable_access_control = Y in > lts.conf..i even hard code in screen.d/startx to be SURE access > control is off havnt got one in front of me but "-ac" rings a bell Chuck, he is using the TeacherTool version bundled with K12LTSP 4.2. Do you have any quick instructions for installing your Teach2.py and where to get it from? I saw some posts from the original TeacherTool developer here a few weeks ago and some talk about him taking this project back up. Anyone here any more from him on this? I hope development of this progresses, very handy tool. Eric, any possibility you could extract Chuck's version from him to include with K12 instead of the current one? The use of the VNC control feature would be very handy. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Mar 17 11:25:17 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 11:25:17 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] TeacherTool error for "Run VNC" Command Message-ID: <200503171021.j2HALwW16617@downeast.net> jim wanna try it on my server via nx? ill try to trsball stuff today. robert melton hangs on #ltsp..been trying to ping him. there..chuck > > if you are using my Teach2.py it relies on the -via cmd which is > > good only in tightvnc..also be sure disable_access_control = Y in > > lts.conf..i even hard code in screen.d/startx to be SURE access > > control is off havnt got one in front of me but "-ac" rings a bell > > Chuck, he is using the TeacherTool version bundled with K12LTSP 4.2. Do you > have any quick instructions for installing your Teach2.py and where to get it > from? > > I saw some posts from the original TeacherTool developer here a few weeks ago > and some talk about him taking this project back up. Anyone here any more > from him on this? I hope development of this progresses, very handy tool. > > Eric, any possibility you could extract Chuck's version from him to include > with K12 instead of the current one? The use of the VNC control feature would > be very handy. > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 17 11:42:59 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 03:42:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] using KDM with ltsp -- online reference Message-ID: <20050317114259.13989.qmail@web41622.mail.yahoo.com> http://www.physics.ubc.ca/mbelab/berserk_doc/clab/debian/html/ltsp-install.html I came across this page and thought I'd share it (just scroll down to the part about KDM). I haven't tried it yet myself, but I will tonight. Some of the configuration stuff is specific to the physics lab where it's being used. -Rob __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Mar 17 11:56:37 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 11:56:37 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] TeacherTool error for "Run VNC" Command Message-ID: <200503171053.j2HArHW20772@downeast.net> btw wiki.ltsp.org in the new and wierd science section is a writeup of my setup.chuck > > jim > > wanna try it on my server via nx? ill try to trsball stuff today. > robert melton hangs on #ltsp..been trying to ping him. there..chuck > > > > > if you are using my Teach2.py it relies on the -via cmd which is > > > good only in tightvnc..also be sure disable_access_control = Y in > > > lts.conf..i even hard code in screen.d/startx to be SURE access > > > control is off havnt got one in front of me but "-ac" rings a bell > > > > Chuck, he is using the TeacherTool version bundled with K12LTSP 4.2. Do you > > have any quick instructions for installing your Teach2.py and where to get it > > from? > > > > I saw some posts from the original TeacherTool developer here a few weeks ago > > and some talk about him taking this project back up. Anyone here any more > > from him on this? I hope development of this progresses, very handy tool. > > > > Eric, any possibility you could extract Chuck's version from him to include > > with K12 instead of the current one? The use of the VNC control feature > would > > be very handy. > > > > -- > > This message has been scanned for viruses and > > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Mar 17 13:58:44 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 07:58:44 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] TeacherTool error for "Run VNC" Command In-Reply-To: <200503171021.j2HALwW16617@downeast.net> Message-ID: <000301c52af9$6eb9a290$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > jim > > wanna try it on my server via nx? ill try to trsball stuff > today. robert melton hangs on #ltsp..been trying to ping him. > there..chuck Sure, if you could get a tarball together that would be great. By trying it on your server via nx do you mean connect to your server via nx and check it out, or do you mean try to substitute nx for vnc for the control portion? I have access to Greg's server so if you can get something together I'll connect to his server and try it out for him. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Mar 17 14:55:18 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:55:18 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] TeacherTool error for "Run VNC" Command Message-ID: <200503171351.j2HDpvW16616@downeast.net> Jim: You can get the pieces at http://169.244.61.66/Teach2.tar.gz > > if you are using my Teach2.py it relies on the -via cmd which is > > good only in tightvnc..also be sure disable_access_control = Y in > > lts.conf..i even hard code in screen.d/startx to be SURE access > > control is off havnt got one in front of me but "-ac" rings a bell > > Chuck, he is using the TeacherTool version bundled with K12LTSP 4.2. Do you > have any quick instructions for installing your Teach2.py and where to get it > from? > > I saw some posts from the original TeacherTool developer here a few weeks ago > and some talk about him taking this project back up. Anyone here any more > from him on this? I hope development of this progresses, very handy tool. > > Eric, any possibility you could extract Chuck's version from him to include > with K12 instead of the current one? The use of the VNC control feature would > be very handy. > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From aahodson at episd.org Thu Mar 17 15:16:04 2005 From: aahodson at episd.org (Alan Hodson) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 08:16:04 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Minor Detail Message-ID: Folks: A minor detail keeps eluding me, and perhaps someone in this list has the simple answer. When installing K12LTSP v4.2 there is a window that asks if your machine is going to be a web server. I accidentally left it unchecked on an install, and now, after the fact, I am unable to have this machine be accessed by others, eventhough Apache is running and I can access it locally. Thanks for the help. A. Hodson El Paso ISD - TX aahodson at episd dot com -=o=- From henryhartley at westat.com Thu Mar 17 15:22:23 2005 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:22:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Minor Detail Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F075A5CF8@remail2.westat.com> On Thu, 17 March, 2005 at 10:16 AM Alan Hodson said: >> >> A minor detail keeps eluding me, and perhaps someone in this >> list has the simple answer. >> When installing K12LTSP v4.2 there is a window that asks if >> your machine is going to be a web server. I accidentally left >> it unchecked on an install, and now, after the fact, I am >> unable to have this machine be accessed by others, eventhough >> Apache is running and I can access it locally. If I understand which question it is you forgot to answer, it sounds like an iptables issue. Run system-config-securitylevel and you'll be able to check that WWW (HTTP) checkbox. -- Henry From gumprechtm at msln.net Thu Mar 17 15:27:13 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:27:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Minor Detail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4239A1D1.2080504@msln.net> Firewall maybe? Mark Alan Hodson wrote: >Folks: > >A minor detail keeps eluding me, and perhaps someone in this list has >the simple answer. >When installing K12LTSP v4.2 there is a window that asks if your machine >is going to be a web server. I accidentally left it unchecked on an >install, and now, after the fact, I am unable to have this machine be >accessed by others, eventhough Apache is running and I can access it >locally. > >Thanks for the help. >A. Hodson >El Paso ISD - TX >aahodson at episd dot com >-=o=- > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Mar 17 15:52:29 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 09:52:29 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] TeacherTool error for "Run VNC" Command In-Reply-To: <200503171351.j2HDpvW16616@downeast.net> Message-ID: <000d01c52b09$529a2160$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Jim: You can get the pieces at http://169.244.61.66/Teach2.tar.gz Thanks, I'll download it and check it out. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From gumprechtm at msln.net Thu Mar 17 13:09:21 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 08:09:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smb, active directory,home dir Message-ID: <42398181.6070203@msln.net> Does anyone have or know of a writeup on how to get away from AD to samba/ldap and how to direct a K12LTSP to a home/roaming profiles server. The more I learn about AD, The more I lose sleep. Mark -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Mar 17 16:18:14 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:18:14 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] smb, active directory,home dir Message-ID: <200503171514.j2HFErW08409@downeast.net> smbldap is just what you need..david trask has a script and i have my oewn version..if you can read a bash script you'd prob get quite a lot out of mine...chuck > Does anyone have or know of a writeup on how to get away from AD to > samba/ldap and how to direct a K12LTSP to a home/roaming profiles > server. The more I learn about AD, The more I lose sleep. > Mark > > -- > Mark Gumprecht > Data Systems Specialist > MSAD3 > Unity, ME > gumprechtm at msln.net > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From ascensiontech at gmail.com Thu Mar 17 20:23:15 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Ascension Tech) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:23:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound working on thinkpad 570E with LTSP4.2 Message-ID: <9bd3175605031712237fcf39d@mail.gmail.com> Hey Folks, I was in a bind because the Wireless_ltsp (3.05 version) was looking for drivers compiled with kernel 2.4.19-ltsp-1 but my version of LTSP4.2 is using 2.4.26-ltsp-2. So even though I was able to boot with my PCMCIA ethernet card, I had no sound. So I just dowloaded the ltsp_kernel-3.0.5-i386 from sourceforge and put the 2.4.19-ltsp-1 folder in /opt/ltsp/i386/lib/modules and voila the cs46xx sound driverworks fine! I'm glad because remastering the wireless_ltsp floppy is beyond me right now. If there is any inherent danger in doing what I'm doing, will somone say so? Hope this helps someone. Peter From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Thu Mar 17 23:14:31 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:14:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smb, active directory,home dir In-Reply-To: <42398181.6070203@msln.net> References: <42398181.6070203@msln.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, March 17, 2005 at 8:09 AM +0000 wrote: >Does anyone have or know of a writeup on how to get away from AD to >samba/ldap and how to direct a K12LTSP to a home/roaming profiles >server. The more I learn about AD, The more I lose sleep. >Mark > >-- >Mark Gumprecht >Data Systems Specialist >MSAD3 >Unity, ME >gumprechtm at msln.net Mark, The answer to all your problems lies here http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/smbldap We'll also be doing this as a session and discussing the stuff that goes along with migration etc. at the Gould Linux conference more info at http://www.trasksinc.com/NELS Hope you can come. Let me know if I can give you any pointers on Samba/LDAP....it's what I use....central authentication and home dirs regardless of platform. Very cool! And the new smbldap-installer script makes it a snap to set up. Whatever you do...get off the AD hamster wheel...you'll go nuts if you don't. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG Thu Mar 17 23:31:41 2005 From: HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Burroughs, Henry) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:31:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smb, active directory,home dir Message-ID: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D78420646631@hhpmail.MEDIA.LOCAL> Mark, I'm moving in that direction too. AD speaks ldap, so you could export information into LDIF format. I've added a custom schema to my AD so I have unix attributes... so I currently do LDAP/kerberos authentication against AD (which means I want to export all my unix info from AD, and shove it into openLdap so I don't have to re-permission everything). Do you use exchange? I unfortunately do, and I either will move to open-xchange, SUSE open-exchange, Groupwise, or ::shudders:: keep exchange and create a small AD domain that does a NT domain trust of the samba domain (it has been done before, I've seen some postings on the Net somewhere). You will have to reset all the passords, as I know of no way to retrieve them from the abyss of AD. Henry -----Original Message----- From: Mark Gumprecht [mailto:gumprechtm at msln.net] Sent: Thu 3/17/2005 8:09 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Cc: Subject: [K12OSN] smb, active directory,home dir Does anyone have or know of a writeup on how to get away from AD to samba/ldap and how to direct a K12LTSP to a home/roaming profiles server. The more I learn about AD, The more I lose sleep. Mark -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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BTW, CD burners aren't that expensive anymore, even the SCSI ones. DVD burners are less than $100 now. --TP Huck wrote: > my ltsp server doesn't have a burner. > > and I want to burn a cd of a directory from my last full backup for a > teacher. > > --Huck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From les at futuresource.com Fri Mar 18 02:26:21 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 20:26:21 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] how to backup a folder to a Cd with BackupPC? In-Reply-To: <423A17E5.3050406@paasda.org> References: <423A17E5.3050406@paasda.org> Message-ID: <1111112125.23211.13.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2005-03-17 at 17:51, Huck wrote: > my ltsp server doesn't have a burner. > > and I want to burn a cd of a directory from my last full backup for a > teacher. Backuppc lets you set up something called 'archive' hosts that will generate tar archives of the last backup run from a machine either written to tape or split into files in a directory in sizes that will fit a cd or dvd. That's not a very handy way to keep anything but a full system backup, though. I'd try to make the files directly readable on the CD instead. To do that, restore the directory you want somewhere, possibly using the 'send tar archive as a browser download' option and extracting the archive somewhere. Then use any number of ways to copy to a CD. I'd probably use: mkisofs -v -J -r -V 'VOL_NAME' -o iso_file_name.iso directory_name and cdrecord -dev=2,0,0 -driveropts=burnfree -eject iso_file_name.iso But you might like k3b if you don't know what all the options mean. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us Fri Mar 18 12:03:22 2005 From: mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us (mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 07:03:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Script help In-Reply-To: <1111112125.23211.13.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <423A17E5.3050406@paasda.org> <1111112125.23211.13.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1091.24.2.210.202.1111147402.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> I need to walk a directory tree and issue a chmod u=rwx,g=rwxs,o-rwx on all (sub)directories, but not files, in the tree. Can anyone help? I am pretty script illiterate. Mark Orenstein East Granby, CT School System From mailinglists-after-041101_reply-not-possible at hpc.dk Fri Mar 18 12:12:06 2005 From: mailinglists-after-041101_reply-not-possible at hpc.dk (Henning Wangerin) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 13:12:06 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Script help In-Reply-To: <1091.24.2.210.202.1111147402.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> References: <423A17E5.3050406@paasda.org> <1111112125.23211.13.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <1091.24.2.210.202.1111147402.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> Message-ID: <1111147925.3929.12.camel@server.ltsp> On Fri, 2005-03-18 at 13:03, mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us wrote: > I need to walk a directory tree and issue a > > chmod u=rwx,g=rwxs,o-rwx > on all (sub)directories, but not files, in the tree. Can anyone help? I > am pretty script illiterate. Just du a find /dir/to/start/in -type d -exec chmod u=rwx,g=rwxs,o-rw \{\} \; That's it. If you watnt to list the dirs before doing it, skip the -exec..... part: find /dir/to/start/in -type d -- Henning Wangerin From perodim at on.net.mk Fri Mar 18 12:29:10 2005 From: perodim at on.net.mk (Petar Dimitrijevic) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 13:29:10 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/CUPS odd behaviour Message-ID: <423AC996.7020403@on.net.mk> Hi to all, I've installed Samsung ML1210 as samba shared printer on the LTSP server. I've had a lot of problems until I found that in order to print from Windows ws you have to enable the raw printing options is /etc/cups/mime.types and /etc/cups/mime.conv. However every time the server is restarted the setting in mime.conv is getting commented out nad I have to manually edit the file. Anyone had similar problems ? There is also this issue with the HP1200 printer. The LTSP server is KLTSP 4.1.0. When document is written in OO 1.1.3 let's say with Times New Roman font everything looks ok on the screen. But when the document is printed out the font is substituted with some other font. Anoybody knows what the problem could be ? Best regards, Petar Dimitrijevic From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Fri Mar 18 15:06:57 2005 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 10:06:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba-TNG Message-ID: <1111158417.22365.27.camel@phoenix.media.local> Just curious, is anyone running Samba-TNG? Henry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bkovach at lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us Fri Mar 18 15:11:05 2005 From: bkovach at lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us (Brandon Kovach) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 09:11:05 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Local App Message-ID: <423AEF89.7030100@lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us> As I am new to this type of configuration, What does it take to make Mozilla and OpenOffice run as a localapp? K12 v 4.0.1 Bk From jam at mcquil.com Fri Mar 18 15:31:05 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 10:31:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Local App In-Reply-To: <423AEF89.7030100@lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us> References: <423AEF89.7030100@lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us> Message-ID: Brandon, Firefox makes a great app for running locally. It can be very compute-intensive, and implements alot of it's functionality in Javascript. That is code that doesn't share well with others, and you might as well utilize the cpu and memory of the client for running that. There's some information on the LTSP wiki Local apps page. here's the URL: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LocalApps Down at the bottom of that page is the link to the Local firefox info. I pasted the LocalApps page, because there's instructions on that page for setting up the keys for SSH to allow you to launch the app locally. OpenOffice on the other hand makes a great shared server-side app. So much of the code can be shared amongst all of the users on the system, that it makes sense to keep it running on the server. You can see this, when the 2nd user goes to launch OOo. It practically jumps on the screen. The first user incurs the cost of loading, and all of the additional users get the benefit. if you made OOo a local app, it would be extremely slow for everyone, as all of that code would have to be sucked across the network, to each of the workstations. Hope that helps, Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Fri, 18 Mar 2005, Brandon Kovach wrote: > As I am new to this type of configuration, What does it take to make Mozilla > and OpenOffice run as a localapp? > > K12 v 4.0.1 > > Bk > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dwblue02 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 18 16:32:15 2005 From: dwblue02 at yahoo.com (David Whitmer) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 08:32:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] is there a UPS known to work with K12LTSP? Message-ID: <20050318163215.20143.qmail@web31612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi everyone, There are some UPS (uninterruptible power supply) units available that, when connected to a Windows PC (whether via USB or serial port), can instruct that PC to shutdown when there is a power outage. Does anyone know of a UPS that can do this with a computer running K12LTSP 4.2? Any help would be greatly appreciated. David Whitmer __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From caldodge at fpcc.net Fri Mar 18 16:55:18 2005 From: caldodge at fpcc.net (Calvin Dodge) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 09:55:18 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] is there a UPS known to work with K12LTSP? In-Reply-To: <20050318163215.20143.qmail@web31612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050318163215.20143.qmail@web31612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050318165518.GA28016@fpcc.net> On Fri, Mar 18, 2005 at 08:32:15AM -0800, David Whitmer wrote: > Hi everyone, > > There are some UPS (uninterruptible power supply) > units available that, when connected to a Windows PC > (whether via USB or serial port), can instruct that PC > to shutdown when there is a power outage. > > Does anyone know of a UPS that can do this with a > computer running K12LTSP 4.2? Any help would be > greatly appreciated. Most any APC unit should be able to do this - especially the Smart-UPS units. K12LTSP/Fedora has an application (nut) that's supposed to do this, but I've had better luck with "apcupsd" (http://www2.apcupsd.com). You can get Fedora-compatible RPMS, so no compiling is required. Calvin -- Calvin Dodge Certified Linux Bigot (tm) http://www.caldodge.fpcc.net From julius at turtle.com Fri Mar 18 16:49:00 2005 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:49:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] mozilla doesn't open pdf files Message-ID: Dear Folks, a couple of users managed to disassociate browsing of the pdf file types from xpdf and the result is that Mozilla doesn't automatically open those files. Where are the associations kept? I need to be able to fix it without involving the users. thanks, julius From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Mar 18 16:56:35 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 08:56:35 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] is there a UPS known to work with K12LTSP? In-Reply-To: <20050318163215.20143.qmail@web31612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050318163215.20143.qmail@web31612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <423B0843.1060806@paasda.org> UPS's are really to keep the machine alive when there is a power outage =) and then when UPS runs out of juice to call a clean shutdown. so you don't have a fatal crash(happened just 2 days ago to me) a little fsck later everything was back up and running. and I thought APC made one with a serial interface for linux. And on a side note... how to calculate the SIZE of the UPS needed? say I want to be sure the machines stay live for 1hr, Found this for APC models... below is the link to the manual http://www.2buyups.com/2buyups/manuals/SU45070010014002230.pdf Typical On-Battery Run Time Versus Load, in Minutes Model 450 700 1000 1400 2200 3000 3000 w/ext. batt. 50 VA 100 140 150 251 366 297 640 75 VA 77 113 125 199 309 258 557 100 VA 54 85 100 163 268 228 491 150 VA 33 55 75 118 209 183 394 200 VA 22 38 58 90 170 152 328 250 VA 15 26 44 71 142 128 281 300 VA 11 20 36 57 121 110 245 350 VA 8 17 28 47 104 96 216 400 VA 5 14 24 39 91 84 193 450 VA 4 11 20 33 80 75 174 500 VA - 9 18 29 71 67 157 550 VA - 8 15 25 64 60 143 600 VA - 6 13 21 57 54 131 700 VA - 5 11 18 46 44 112 800 VA - - 9 15 38 36 96 900 VA - - 7 12 32 31 84 1000 VA - - 6 11 27 26 73 1200 VA - - - 8 21 20 58 1400 VA - - - 7 17 16 46 1600 VA - - - - 14 13 37 2000 VA - - - - 10 10 26 2200 VA - - - - 8 8 22 2500 VA - - - - - 7 18 3000 VA - - - - - 5 13 --Huck David Whitmer wrote: > Hi everyone, > > There are some UPS (uninterruptible power supply) > units available that, when connected to a Windows PC > (whether via USB or serial port), can instruct that PC > to shutdown when there is a power outage. > > Does anyone know of a UPS that can do this with a > computer running K12LTSP 4.2? Any help would be > greatly appreciated. > > David Whitmer > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From caldodge at fpcc.net Fri Mar 18 17:15:24 2005 From: caldodge at fpcc.net (Calvin Dodge) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 10:15:24 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] is there a UPS known to work with K12LTSP? In-Reply-To: <423B0843.1060806@paasda.org> References: <20050318163215.20143.qmail@web31612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <423B0843.1060806@paasda.org> Message-ID: <20050318171524.GC28016@fpcc.net> On Fri, Mar 18, 2005 at 08:56:35AM -0800, Huck wrote: > UPS's are really to keep the machine alive when there is a power outage > =) and then when UPS runs out of juice to call a clean shutdown. > so you don't have a fatal crash(happened just 2 days ago to me) > a little fsck later everything was back up and running. > and I thought APC made one with a serial interface for linux. The apcupsd daemon can communicate with some USB-based APC units. For an LTSP server, I'd shy away from the consumer-type APC units (the flat grey units with plugs on the top). I'd suggest something in the range of 1000VA or larger (with plugs in the back). Calvin -- Calvin Dodge Certified Linux Bigot (tm) http://www.caldodge.fpcc.net From rushton at svstrut.org Fri Mar 18 17:12:25 2005 From: rushton at svstrut.org (Rushton Hurley) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 09:12:25 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] question on digests Message-ID: <423B0BF9.9070505@svstrut.org> To Whom It May Concern: First, I recently joined the list and am quite impressed by it - thanks for having this available! I am on under the digest feature currently. Would there happen to be a way to get only one digest a day? It seems I am getting one every few hours now. That isn't a big problem, but if there is an easy way to address it, please let me know. Thanks, Rushton ---------------------------------- Rushton Hurley Silicon Valley StRUT Coordinator e) rushton at svstrut.org w) www.svstrut.org p) 408-748-0927 ---------------------------------- From jam at mcquil.com Fri Mar 18 17:30:58 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 12:30:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] question on digests In-Reply-To: <423B0BF9.9070505@svstrut.org> References: <423B0BF9.9070505@svstrut.org> Message-ID: Rushton, The only way I know of, is for the list administrator to increase the size threshold on the digest. Which might be a real good idea, seeing as how much traffic there is on this list. I'm not sure who the admin is, maybe Eric Harrison, but I'm not sure. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Fri, 18 Mar 2005, Rushton Hurley wrote: > To Whom It May Concern: > > First, I recently joined the list and am quite impressed by it - thanks for > having this available! > > I am on under the digest feature currently. Would there happen to be a way to > get only one digest a day? It seems I am getting one every few hours now. > That isn't a big problem, but if there is an easy way to address it, please > let me know. > > Thanks, > Rushton > > ---------------------------------- > Rushton Hurley > Silicon Valley StRUT Coordinator > e) rushton at svstrut.org > w) www.svstrut.org > p) 408-748-0927 > ---------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jkinz at kinz.org Fri Mar 18 17:59:43 2005 From: jkinz at kinz.org (Jeff Kinz) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 12:59:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] question on digests In-Reply-To: ; from jam@mcquil.com on Fri, Mar 18, 2005 at 12:30:58PM -0500 References: <423B0BF9.9070505@svstrut.org> Message-ID: <20050318125943.A3121@redline.comcast.net> On Fri, Mar 18, 2005 at 12:30:58PM -0500, Jim McQuillan wrote: > Rushton, > > The only way I know of, is for the list administrator to increase the > size threshold on the digest. > > Which might be a real good idea, seeing as how much traffic there is on > this list. > > I'm not sure who the admin is, maybe Eric Harrison, but I'm not sure. > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org K12OSN list run by pnelson at riverdale.k12.or.us -- http://kinz.org http://www.fedoranews.org Jeff Kinz, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Mar 18 18:03:51 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 10:03:51 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] question on digests In-Reply-To: References: <423B0BF9.9070505@svstrut.org> Message-ID: <423B1807.7060500@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Jim McQuillan wrote: > Rushton, > > The only way I know of, is for the list administrator to increase the > size threshold on the digest. > > Which might be a real good idea, seeing as how much traffic there is on > this list. > > I'm not sure who the admin is, maybe Eric Harrison, but I'm not sure. > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org Paul Nelson's the admin. I'm having breakfast with Paul tomorrow, I'll bug him about this ;-) -Eric > > On Fri, 18 Mar 2005, Rushton Hurley wrote: > > >>To Whom It May Concern: >> >>First, I recently joined the list and am quite impressed by it - thanks for >>having this available! >> >>I am on under the digest feature currently. Would there happen to be a way to >>get only one digest a day? It seems I am getting one every few hours now. >>That isn't a big problem, but if there is an easy way to address it, please >>let me know. >> >>Thanks, >>Rushton >> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 256 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From Linux_Man at comcast.net Fri Mar 18 18:37:49 2005 From: Linux_Man at comcast.net (Brian Beck) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 13:37:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Guide Topics? Message-ID: <423B1FFD.9060001@comcast.net> As I'll be graduating from HS soon and leaving behind the K12LTSP server I built and configured for them, I'm in the process of writing a detailed guide to LTSP - the basic concept, how it works, selecting server hardware, installing and configuring K12LTSP, etc. The project has grown beyond a simple chronicle of everything I've done into what I hope to be a fairly comprehensive guide to getting a K12LTSP server running. Here are the topics I've covered so far: (1) Terminal Server Concept & Advantages of Terminal Servers (2) Advantages of LTSP (3) Selecting Server Hardware (4) Selecting: K12LTSP vs. Installing LTSP on another distro (5) Configuring the K12LTSP Install (6) Proxies and locked settings in Mozilla/Mozilla Firefox (7) Integrating into an existing Novell Netware Network (8) Window Manager Choices I've been compiling the information in the guide from a combination of personal experience, web searches, and stuff I've learned from this list. I've given credit where due. I'm adding more topics as I think of them, but what other topics would you guys like to see in the guide? When it's nearing completion, I intend to post it for you guys to review and critique. From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Mar 18 18:44:32 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 13:44:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] is there a UPS known to work with K12LTSP? In-Reply-To: <20050318171524.GC28016@fpcc.net> References: <20050318163215.20143.qmail@web31612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> < > <423B0843.1060806@paasda.org> <20050318171524.GC28016@fpcc.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, March 18, 2005 at 12:15 PM +0000 wrote: >The apcupsd daemon can communicate with some USB-based APC units. > >For an LTSP server, I'd shy away from the consumer-type APC units >(the flat grey units with plugs on the top). I'd suggest something >in the range of 1000VA or larger (with plugs in the back). > >Calvin >-- Also remember you need the special cable...you can't use thae same one that comes with it I don't think David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Mar 18 18:47:01 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 10:47:01 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Guide Topics? In-Reply-To: <423B1FFD.9060001@comcast.net> References: <423B1FFD.9060001@comcast.net> Message-ID: <423B2225.5050801@paasda.org> Localapps vs. all run on server maybe the samba/ldap stuff references/resources for those wanting to learn more...wikis/this list/gavin(and others') sites.. menu editing =) backup methods? backuppc, others.. it could get out of control quickly I guess. --Huck Brian Beck wrote: > As I'll be graduating from HS soon and leaving behind the K12LTSP server > I built and configured for them, I'm in the process of writing a > detailed guide to LTSP - the basic concept, how it works, selecting > server hardware, installing and configuring K12LTSP, etc. The project > has grown beyond a simple chronicle of everything I've done into what I > hope to be a fairly comprehensive guide to getting a K12LTSP server > running. Here are the topics I've covered so far: > > (1) Terminal Server Concept & Advantages of Terminal Servers > (2) Advantages of LTSP > (3) Selecting Server Hardware > (4) Selecting: K12LTSP vs. Installing LTSP on another distro > (5) Configuring the K12LTSP Install > (6) Proxies and locked settings in Mozilla/Mozilla Firefox > (7) Integrating into an existing Novell Netware Network > (8) Window Manager Choices > > I've been compiling the information in the guide from a combination of > personal experience, web searches, and stuff I've learned from this > list. I've given credit where due. I'm adding more topics as I think > of them, but what other topics would you guys like to see in the guide? > When it's nearing completion, I intend to post it for you guys to > review and critique. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From robark at gmail.com Fri Mar 18 18:49:18 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 13:49:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Is Fedora fork bomb attack vulnerable? Message-ID: Just read an article on Slashdot about most distros being vulnerable to fork bombs. Basically a script which calls itself and allocates memory. So it's a recursive attack that launches infinite processes bringing the server to its knees. Is k12ltsp proctected from this by default? -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri Mar 18 18:53:07 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 10:53:07 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Is Fedora fork bomb attack vulnerable? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <423B2393.5060703@paasda.org> no Robert Arkiletian wrote: > Just read an article on Slashdot about most distros being vulnerable > to fork bombs. Basically a script which calls itself and allocates > memory. So it's a recursive attack that launches infinite processes > bringing the server to its knees. Is k12ltsp proctected from this by > default? > From les at futuresource.com Fri Mar 18 19:48:10 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 13:48:10 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Guide Topics? In-Reply-To: <423B1FFD.9060001@comcast.net> References: <423B1FFD.9060001@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1111175290.14179.27.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2005-03-18 at 12:37, Brian Beck wrote: > I'm adding more topics as I think > of them, but what other topics would you guys like to see in the guide? > When it's nearing completion, I intend to post it for you guys to > review and critique. Why not put it on the wiki at http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/ so others can find it and it can be kept up to date? -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From cwt137 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 18 19:49:55 2005 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:49:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Samba-TNG In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050318194955.98619.qmail@web30302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> What is Samba-TNG and how is it different than the regular Samba? --- Henry Burroughs wrote: > Just curious, is anyone running Samba-TNG? > > Henry > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From nsinton at gmail.com Fri Mar 18 20:12:10 2005 From: nsinton at gmail.com (Nathan Sinton) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 13:12:10 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Guide Topics? In-Reply-To: <1111175290.14179.27.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <423B1FFD.9060001@comcast.net> <1111175290.14179.27.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <2b06a1a0503181212143e93d0@mail.gmail.com> I'm graduating this year too. Let me know if you need any help because I've got to write something similar. -Nathan On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 13:48:10 -0600, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Fri, 2005-03-18 at 12:37, Brian Beck wrote: > > I'm adding more topics as I think > > of them, but what other topics would you guys like to see in the guide? > > When it's nearing completion, I intend to post it for you guys to > > review and critique. > > Why not put it on the wiki at http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/ so others > can find it and it can be kept up to date? > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From microman at cmosnetworks.com Fri Mar 18 20:19:58 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:19:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba-TNG In-Reply-To: <20050318194955.98619.qmail@web30302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050318194955.98619.qmail@web30302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <423B37EE.5070905@cmosnetworks.com> Google is your friend, Chris. http://www.samba-tng.org/faq.html --TP Chris Thomas wrote: >What is Samba-TNG and how is it different than the >regular Samba? > >--- Henry Burroughs wrote: > > >>Just curious, is anyone running Samba-TNG? >> >>Henry >> >> >>>_______________________________________________ >>> >>> >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Fri Mar 18 19:12:20 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 13:12:20 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] is there a UPS known to work with K12LTSP? In-Reply-To: <20050318163215.20143.qmail@web31612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050318163215.20143.qmail@web31612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Some of the later ones that have that ability include software on their install CD for linux. Otherwise, there are utilities you can get that will talke to different UPS's and some distributions come with them. I can't think of the names of the packages offhand, but I know they're in there. . . Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Fri, 18 Mar 2005, David Whitmer wrote: > Hi everyone, > > There are some UPS (uninterruptible power supply) > units available that, when connected to a Windows PC > (whether via USB or serial port), can instruct that PC > to shutdown when there is a power outage. > > Does anyone know of a UPS that can do this with a > computer running K12LTSP 4.2? Any help would be > greatly appreciated. > > David Whitmer > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Fri Mar 18 19:13:03 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 13:13:03 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] is there a UPS known to work with K12LTSP? In-Reply-To: <20050318165518.GA28016@fpcc.net> References: <20050318163215.20143.qmail@web31612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20050318165518.GA28016@fpcc.net> Message-ID: Yeah, that was it! apcupsd. . . Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Fri, 18 Mar 2005, Calvin Dodge wrote: > On Fri, Mar 18, 2005 at 08:32:15AM -0800, David Whitmer wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > > > There are some UPS (uninterruptible power supply) > > units available that, when connected to a Windows PC > > (whether via USB or serial port), can instruct that PC > > to shutdown when there is a power outage. > > > > Does anyone know of a UPS that can do this with a > > computer running K12LTSP 4.2? Any help would be > > greatly appreciated. > > Most any APC unit should be able to do this - especially > the Smart-UPS units. > > K12LTSP/Fedora has an application (nut) that's supposed to > do this, but I've had better luck with "apcupsd" > (http://www2.apcupsd.com). You can get Fedora-compatible > RPMS, so no compiling is required. > > Calvin > > -- > Calvin Dodge > Certified Linux Bigot (tm) > http://www.caldodge.fpcc.net > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Fri Mar 18 19:14:57 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 13:14:57 -0600 (CST) Subject: [K12OSN] Is Fedora fork bomb attack vulnerable? In-Reply-To: <423B2393.5060703@paasda.org> References: <423B2393.5060703@paasda.org> Message-ID: No is not vulnerable, or No it is not protected? Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Fri, 18 Mar 2005, Huck wrote: > no > > > Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > Just read an article on Slashdot about most distros being vulnerable > > to fork bombs. Basically a script which calls itself and allocates > > memory. So it's a recursive attack that launches infinite processes > > bringing the server to its knees. Is k12ltsp proctected from this by > > default? > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Fri Mar 18 20:43:39 2005 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 12:43:39 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Is Fedora fork bomb attack vulnerable? In-Reply-To: References: <423B2393.5060703@paasda.org> Message-ID: <1111178619.20249.3.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> On Fri, 2005-03-18 at 13:14 -0600, Doug Simpson wrote: > No is not vulnerable, or > No it is not protected? The "problem" seems to be rather overblown: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2005-March/msg01150.html On a terminal server, this is a people problem which should be fixed w/ people solutions, not technical ones. In my opinion... -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From les at futuresource.com Fri Mar 18 21:15:45 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:15:45 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Is Fedora fork bomb attack vulnerable? In-Reply-To: <1111178619.20249.3.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> References: <423B2393.5060703@paasda.org> <1111178619.20249.3.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1111180545.14179.53.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2005-03-18 at 14:43, Dan Young wrote: > On Fri, 2005-03-18 at 13:14 -0600, Doug Simpson wrote: > > No is not vulnerable, or > > No it is not protected? > > The "problem" seems to be rather overblown: > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2005-March/msg01150.html > > On a terminal server, this is a people problem which should be fixed w/ > people solutions, not technical ones. In my opinion... There is just not a good default setting. It is probably more likely that a linux install will be on a single-user pc where that user wants unlimited use of the available resources than on a multiuser box. If you want to limit resource usage you still can with ulimit settings. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From lsrpm-1 at shaw.ca Fri Mar 18 21:27:12 2005 From: lsrpm-1 at shaw.ca (Liam Marshall) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:27:12 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] MB Temperature Message-ID: <684f3067f493.67f493684f30@shaw.ca> My k12ltsp server (4.2) sits on a machine running from an ASUS dual cpu motherboard. It has been functioning flawlessly for several months. The other day it went down. I checked the logs. System log reported a message that the temperature had reached 60 degrees and it was initiating a shutdown. The messages went on to state that the shutdown was nice and orderly. I did not even know that was possible for the os to be aware of mb and cpu temperature. I am glad it detected a high temp and shut down prior to real damage, but have no IDEA why it went high. I will investigate. Question 1 Is there a way to manually check the temperature while server is running? from the terminal? elsewhere? Personally, I would like to check the temp at various times under various loads to try and sus out why the temp spiked and for general interests. I was not in the lab at the time. Some grade 3 students were using it and doing fairly inoccuous stuff From caldodge at fpcc.net Fri Mar 18 21:40:02 2005 From: caldodge at fpcc.net (Calvin Dodge) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 14:40:02 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Is Fedora fork bomb attack vulnerable? In-Reply-To: <1111180545.14179.53.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <423B2393.5060703@paasda.org> <1111178619.20249.3.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> <1111180545.14179.53.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <20050318214002.GA28524@fpcc.net> On Fri, Mar 18, 2005 at 03:15:45PM -0600, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Fri, 2005-03-18 at 14:43, Dan Young wrote: > > On Fri, 2005-03-18 at 13:14 -0600, Doug Simpson wrote: > > > No is not vulnerable, or > > > No it is not protected? > > > > The "problem" seems to be rather overblown: > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2005-March/msg01150.html > > > > On a terminal server, this is a people problem which should be fixed w/ > > people solutions, not technical ones. In my opinion... > > There is just not a good default setting. It is probably more likely > that a linux install will be on a single-user pc where that user > wants unlimited use of the available resources than on a multiuser > box. If you want to limit resource usage you still can with ulimit > settings. Good idea. For an example, here's /etc/profile.d/ulimit.sh, which I created and put on the LTSP servers at RMSEL. #################### #limit CPU time to stop runaway Netscape/Mozilla #limit data size due to runaway artsd (1 gigabyte!) if [ $UID -ge 500 ] then ulimit -t 300 ulimit -d 200000 ulimit -m 300000 ulimit -v 300000 ulimit -u 100 fi ##################### I added the "ulimit -u 100" today - it will limit any user to a maximum of 100 running processes. That's more than enough for elementary school students, but a low enough number to defeat a "fork bomb". (Yes, this could be handled in /etc/security/limits.conf, but that would mean changing every student's primary group to "users" or "students" (or similar group), then changing the permissions on all their files. For me the ulimit solution was easier - just one file per server (4 total). Calvin -- Calvin Dodge Certified Linux Bigot (tm) http://www.caldodge.fpcc.net From jkinz at kinz.org Fri Mar 18 21:30:50 2005 From: jkinz at kinz.org (Jeff Kinz) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 16:30:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Is Fedora fork bomb attack vulnerable? In-Reply-To: ; from robark@gmail.com on Fri, Mar 18, 2005 at 01:49:18PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20050318163050.A4921@redline.comcast.net> On Fri, Mar 18, 2005 at 01:49:18PM -0500, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > Just read an article on Slashdot about most distros being vulnerable > to fork bombs. Basically a script which calls itself and allocates > memory. So it's a recursive attack that launches infinite processes > bringing the server to its knees. Is k12ltsp proctected from this by > default? > Put "ulimit -u " in one of the system wide start up scripts. this will limit each user to a maximum of "N" processes . Make N is large enough for each user to run X-windows plus their applications. 100 will do it for almost everyone. Its pretty big without being big enough to let a script run away with the system. Adjust to fit, YMMV. -- "The only system which is truly secure, is one which is switched off and unplugged, locked in a titanium lined safe, buried in a concrete bunker, surrounded by nerve gas and very highly paid armed guards. Even then, I wouldn't stake my life on it" - Gene Spafford (Good thing. the law of unintended consequences: A laptop, w/wireless NIC and wake on "date" set in the BIOS) http://kinz.org http://www.fedoranews.org Jeff Kinz, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. From caldodge at fpcc.net Fri Mar 18 21:45:43 2005 From: caldodge at fpcc.net (Calvin Dodge) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 14:45:43 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] MB Temperature In-Reply-To: <684f3067f493.67f493684f30@shaw.ca> References: <684f3067f493.67f493684f30@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <20050318214543.GB28524@fpcc.net> On Fri, Mar 18, 2005 at 03:27:12PM -0600, Liam Marshall wrote: > My k12ltsp server (4.2) sits on a machine running from an ASUS dual cpu motherboard. It has been functioning flawlessly for several months. The other day it went down. > > I checked the logs. System log reported a message that the temperature had reached 60 degrees and it was initiating a shutdown. The messages went on to state that the shutdown was nice and orderly. > > I did not even know that was possible for the os to be aware of mb and cpu temperature. I am glad it detected a high temp and shut down prior to real damage, but have no IDEA why it went high. I will investigate. > > > Question 1 Is there a way to manually check the temperature while server is running? from the terminal? elsewhere? You want the package "lm_sensors" installed. Then: 1) run sensors-detect (as root, of course) to record the sensor hardware on your motherboard 2) enable the "lm_sensors" service (chkconfig lm_sensors on;service lm_sensors start) 3) run "sensors" to see current sensor data If you use gkrellm, it has the ability to monitor the sensors. You can also run a cron job, if desired. > Personally, I would like to check the temp at various times under various loads to try and sus out why the temp spiked and for general interests. I was not in the lab at the time. Some grade 3 students were using it and doing fairly inoccuous stuff I'd suggest you run gkrellm, and set it up to monitor the sensors. Then you can get a good sense of the correlation between cpu usage and cpu temperature. Calvin -- Calvin Dodge Certified Linux Bigot (tm) http://www.caldodge.fpcc.net From lsrpm-1 at shaw.ca Fri Mar 18 21:36:38 2005 From: lsrpm-1 at shaw.ca (Liam Marshall) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:36:38 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] is there a UPS known to work with K12LTSP? Message-ID: <6866d3684a66.684a666866d3@shaw.ca> just got a Liebert UPStation GXT. a bit pricy but came with everything I needed. CD had software supposed to work out of the box with linux but had to call tech support. on their website was an update to software and it works!!!!! nothing special needed and the cable comes with the ups ----- Original Message ----- From: David Trask Date: Friday, March 18, 2005 12:44 pm Subject: Re: [K12OSN] is there a UPS known to work with K12LTSP? > "Support list for opensource software in schools." > on > Friday, March 18, 2005 at 12:15 PM +0000 wrote: > >The apcupsd daemon can communicate with some USB-based APC units. > > > >For an LTSP server, I'd shy away from the consumer-type APC units > >(the flat grey units with plugs on the top). I'd suggest something > >in the range of 1000VA or larger (with plugs in the back). > > > >Calvin > >-- > > Also remember you need the special cable...you can't use thae same one > that comes with it I don't think > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see <" target="l">http://www.k12os.org> > From mpribik at zoznam.sk Sat Mar 19 14:47:19 2005 From: mpribik at zoznam.sk (M.Pribik) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 15:47:19 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Speed of the LAN card Message-ID: <000801c52c92$8dd87df0$0100a8c0@Marian> Hello all, during the etherboot of the thin client, at the beginning I can see that the 100Mb Full speed card is identified (RTL 8139D). But somewhere in the midle of the boot process where drivers are installing, I can see that the card is identified as 10Mb half duplex. Why is it so, and what speed do I realy have on the LAN card? LEDs on switch board shows that line speed on this chanel is 100Mb. Does somebody have the same experience? Regards Marian -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From microman at cmosnetworks.com Sat Mar 19 14:54:57 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 09:54:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Speed of the LAN card In-Reply-To: <000801c52c92$8dd87df0$0100a8c0@Marian> References: <000801c52c92$8dd87df0$0100a8c0@Marian> Message-ID: <423C3D41.6010203@cmosnetworks.com> It's probably 100/Full, since autonegotiation is actually an OSI Layer 2 function, independent of the OS device driver, though the device driver usually can and does allow it to be set manually. Here's a quick 'n' dirty test. Try firing up TuxType and playing a bit. If it's slow as molasses, you're probably running at 10Mb half duplex. If it plays normally, you're probably running at 100Mb full duplex. TuxType can suck up 73Mb in one direction at 1024x768x16777216. TuxMath should be fairly similar if you don't have TuxType handy. --TP M.Pribik wrote: > Hello all, > during the etherboot of the thin client, at the beginning I can see > that the 100Mb Full speed card is identified (RTL 8139D). > But somewhere in the midle of the boot process where drivers are > installing, I can see that the card is identified as > 10Mb half duplex. Why is it so, and what speed do I realy have on the > LAN card? LEDs on switch board shows that > line speed on this chanel is 100Mb. Does somebody have the same > experience? > > Regards Marian > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > -- _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From les at futuresource.com Sat Mar 19 15:38:44 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 09:38:44 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Speed of the LAN card In-Reply-To: <000801c52c92$8dd87df0$0100a8c0@Marian> References: <000801c52c92$8dd87df0$0100a8c0@Marian> Message-ID: <1111246724.30343.3.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2005-03-19 at 08:47, M.Pribik wrote: > Hello all, > during the etherboot of the thin client, at the beginning I can see > that the 100Mb Full speed card is identified (RTL 8139D). > But somewhere in the midle of the boot process where drivers are > installing, I can see that the card is identified as > 10Mb half duplex. Why is it so, and what speed do I realy have on the > LAN card? LEDs on switch board shows that > line speed on this chanel is 100Mb. Does somebody have the same > experience? ethtool or mmi-tool should show you the current settings the card is using. You can also force the settings but normally you want it to automatically negotiate to make sure the other end matches. If you lock one end of the connection, the other is likely to be wrong. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jhansknecht at hanstech.com Sat Mar 19 16:11:28 2005 From: jhansknecht at hanstech.com (John Hansknecht) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 11:11:28 -0500 Subject: [ok-mail] [K12OSN] pam_mount In-Reply-To: <2b06a1a05031412115cea8c7@mail.gmail.com> References: <2b06a1a05031412115cea8c7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200503191111.29560.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> On Monday 14 March 2005 15:11, Nathan Sinton wrote: > I'm having a problem with pam_mount. I've got a linux box logging > into my Win 2003 domain but I want to have the user's home directories > mounted/unmounted automatically. I installed pam_mount using yum and > have it configured like this: > > /etc/security/pam_mount.conf > > debug 1 > mkmountpoint 1 > options_require nosuid,nodev > lsof /usr/sbin/lsof > fsck /sbin/fsck > losetup /sbin/losetup > unlosetup /sbin/losetup -d > smbmount /bin/mount -t cifs > umount /usr/bin/smbumount > volume * smb raid & /u/& > uid=&,gid=&,dmask=0777,nodev,suid,workgroup=LCHSCOMPLAB - - Nathan, First off, is -t cifs correct? for my smbmount command I have -t smbfs. If that's not the problem, I would try two things. First try running the mount command from a terminal and check what errors you get. Then try simplifying the options on your pam_mount command line and see if it works, then add additional options one at a time. One other item, my pam auth file is simplier, I don't think you need the 'use_first_pass' on the pam_mount lines. Here is what I am using: auth required pam_env.so auth required pam_mount.so auth required pam_stack.so service=system-auth-winbind auth required pam_nologin.so account required pam_stack.so service=system-auth-winbind password required pam_stack.so service=system-auth-winbind session required pam_mkhomedir.so skel=/etc/skel umask=0077 session optional pam_console.so session optional pam_mount.so Hope this helps > ***SNIP *** -- Thanks, John The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. - Mattrol at uscom.com (Drakmere) From bklinux at verizon.net Sat Mar 19 19:57:23 2005 From: bklinux at verizon.net (Byron Kapali) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 09:57:23 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP and VNC Message-ID: <001d01c52cbd$dee88a70$6501a8c0@Dadz> Aloha All, Im an new to the K12LTSP revolution but I am very familiar with VNC. I setup a mini K12LTSP lab in my library with thin clients running out of eth1 and my internet connection out of eth0. The problem I am having is that I have to run down to the library to everytime I want to do updates or just modify a few things on the K12LTSP server. Is there a way to setup VNC server on K12LTSP such that I can login from my room and not have to run down to the library? I can ping server's eth0 port so I'm assuming that I can establish a VNC connection. Any suggestions? Byron Kapali Hilo High School From les at futuresource.com Sat Mar 19 20:41:01 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 14:41:01 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Speed of the LAN card In-Reply-To: <1111246724.30343.3.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <000801c52c92$8dd87df0$0100a8c0@Marian> <1111246724.30343.3.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1111264860.31084.0.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2005-03-19 at 09:38, Les Mikesell wrote: > ethtool or mmi-tool should show you the current settings the > card is using. Typo... That's mii-tool. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Sat Mar 19 22:28:57 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 14:28:57 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP and VNC In-Reply-To: <001d01c52cbd$dee88a70$6501a8c0@Dadz> References: <001d01c52cbd$dee88a70$6501a8c0@Dadz> Message-ID: If you installed K12ltsp, vnc is already running, and you just need a free client (realvnc.com can get you one) and you are ready to go. As long as you aren't blocking any ports between you and the library, just put in the eth1 address when the vnc client comes up, and you should be able to log right in. I only answered your query, instead of letting the real experts take it, because I think most everyone must be on spring break. The list is oh so quiet.... Steve On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 09:57:23 -1000, Byron Kapali wrote: > Aloha All, > Im an new to the K12LTSP revolution but I am very familiar with VNC. I > setup a mini K12LTSP lab in my library with thin clients running out of > eth1 and my internet connection out of eth0. The problem I am having is > that I have to run down to the library to everytime I want to do updates or > just modify a few things on the K12LTSP server. Is there a way to setup VNC > server on K12LTSP such that I can login from my room and not have to run > down to the library? I can ping server's eth0 port so I'm assuming that I > can establish a VNC connection. Any suggestions? > > Byron Kapali > Hilo High School > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct From bklinux at verizon.net Sat Mar 19 23:59:18 2005 From: bklinux at verizon.net (Byron Kapali) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 13:59:18 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP and VNC In-Reply-To: References: <001d01c52cbd$dee88a70$6501a8c0@Dadz> Message-ID: <423CBCD6.4010300@verizon.net> Mahalo Steve for your reply. Question: How do I check what ports my firewall is blocking? Is there a GUI program in K12LTSP that I can run? BTW, what port(s) does VNC listen/broadcast on anyway? Byron Steve Hargadon wrote: >If you installed K12ltsp, vnc is already running, and you just need a >free client (realvnc.com can get you one) and you are ready to go. As >long as you aren't blocking any ports between you and the library, >just put in the eth1 address when the vnc client comes up, and you >should be able to log right in. > >I only answered your query, instead of letting the real experts take >it, because I think most everyone must be on spring break. The list is >oh so quiet.... > >Steve > > >On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 09:57:23 -1000, Byron Kapali wrote: > > >>Aloha All, >>Im an new to the K12LTSP revolution but I am very familiar with VNC. I >>setup a mini K12LTSP lab in my library with thin clients running out of >>eth1 and my internet connection out of eth0. The problem I am having is >>that I have to run down to the library to everytime I want to do updates or >>just modify a few things on the K12LTSP server. Is there a way to setup VNC >>server on K12LTSP such that I can login from my room and not have to run >>down to the library? I can ping server's eth0 port so I'm assuming that I >>can establish a VNC connection. Any suggestions? >> >>Byron Kapali >>Hilo High School >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > > > > From cliebow at downeast.net Sun Mar 20 00:12:20 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 00:12:20 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP and VNC Message-ID: <200503192308.j2JN8gI16253@downeast.net> might use nmap or xnmap to see wha ports are open..vnc runs between 5900 and 5999..depending on what oyu have in /etc/services,,chuck > Mahalo Steve for your reply. Question: How do I check what ports my > firewall is blocking? Is there a GUI program in K12LTSP that I can > run? BTW, what port(s) does VNC listen/broadcast on anyway? > > Byron > > Steve Hargadon wrote: > > >If you installed K12ltsp, vnc is already running, and you just need a > >free client (realvnc.com can get you one) and you are ready to go. As > >long as you aren't blocking any ports between you and the library, > >just put in the eth1 address when the vnc client comes up, and you > >should be able to log right in. > > > >I only answered your query, instead of letting the real experts take > >it, because I think most everyone must be on spring break. The list is > >oh so quiet.... > > > >Steve > > > > > >On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 09:57:23 -1000, Byron Kapali wrote: > > > > > >>Aloha All, > >>Im an new to the K12LTSP revolution but I am very familiar with VNC. I > >>setup a mini K12LTSP lab in my library with thin clients running out of > >>eth1 and my internet connection out of eth0. The problem I am having is > >>that I have to run down to the library to everytime I want to do updates or > >>just modify a few things on the K12LTSP server. Is there a way to setup VNC > >>server on K12LTSP such that I can login from my room and not have to run > >>down to the library? I can ping server's eth0 port so I'm assuming that I > >>can establish a VNC connection. Any suggestions? > >> > >>Byron Kapali > >>Hilo High School > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>K12OSN mailing list > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>For more info see > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From sudev at m4linux.com Sun Mar 20 05:53:27 2005 From: sudev at m4linux.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 05:53:27 +0000 Subject: [OT?]Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP and VNC In-Reply-To: References: <001d01c52cbd$dee88a70$6501a8c0@Dadz> Message-ID: <1111298007.6319.6.camel@roop.ltsp> On Sat, 2005-03-19 at 14:28 -0800, Steve Hargadon wrote: > I only answered your query, instead of letting the real experts take > it, because I think most everyone must be on spring break. The list is > oh so quiet.... Steve, You and everyone else is the expert in OpenSource community. An answer by relative newbie does three things: 1. Builds confidence if the answer is right 2. He is corrected by other gurus if wrong, so ends up learning more 3. Frees up time for higher (? just borrowing a term from pyramid marketing) gurus to concentrate on development. In fact if the silent majority can become more participative the whole FOSS movement would become that much entrenched. Just my $0.02 worth. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From les at futuresource.com Sun Mar 20 00:24:04 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 18:24:04 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP and VNC In-Reply-To: <001d01c52cbd$dee88a70$6501a8c0@Dadz> References: <001d01c52cbd$dee88a70$6501a8c0@Dadz> Message-ID: <1111278243.31084.222.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2005-03-19 at 13:57, Byron Kapali wrote: > Im an new to the K12LTSP revolution but I am very familiar with VNC. I > setup a mini K12LTSP lab in my library with thin clients running out of > eth1 and my internet connection out of eth0. The problem I am having is > that I have to run down to the library to everytime I want to do updates or > just modify a few things on the K12LTSP server. Is there a way to setup VNC > server on K12LTSP such that I can login from my room and not have to run > down to the library? I can ping server's eth0 port so I'm assuming that I > can establish a VNC connection. Any suggestions? If you took all the defaults on the setup you should already have vnc configured to start a new session out of xinetd on a connection. However you probably have everything except ssh firewalled on the eth0 side. If you can do your work in character mode, just log in with ssh instead (or use putty if you are on a windows box). If you need vnc you can either use the ssh/putty port-forwarding feature to forward local 5900 to localhost:5900 and then tell vnc to connect to localhost, or you can open up the port(s) in the firewall. (5900 through 5905 are used for different size/color depth screens - use 'grep vnc /etc/services to see the list). -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From sudev at m4linux.com Sun Mar 20 06:01:11 2005 From: sudev at m4linux.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 06:01:11 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP and VNC In-Reply-To: <423CBCD6.4010300@verizon.net> References: <001d01c52cbd$dee88a70$6501a8c0@Dadz> <423CBCD6.4010300@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1111298471.6319.10.camel@roop.ltsp> On Sat, 2005-03-19 at 13:59 -1000, Byron Kapali wrote: > Mahalo Steve for your reply. Question: How do I check what ports my > firewall is blocking? Is there a GUI program in K12LTSP that I can > run? BTW, what port(s) does VNC listen/broadcast on anyway? > > Byron 1. Cat /etc/sysconfig/iptables will list the ports that are open everything else is closed. Normally in k12ltsp the local net is all open as eth0 is defined as trusted device. 2. Google and answer is Port 5900 by default 3. I know this may start a flame but try to bottom post with snipping. HTH -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Mar 20 02:07:55 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 18:07:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP and VNC In-Reply-To: <423CBCD6.4010300@verizon.net> References: <001d01c52cbd$dee88a70$6501a8c0@Dadz> <423CBCD6.4010300@verizon.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 19 Mar 2005, Byron Kapali wrote: > Mahalo Steve for your reply. Question: How do I check what ports my > firewall is blocking? Is there a GUI program in K12LTSP that I can > run? BTW, what port(s) does VNC listen/broadcast on anyway? > > Byron As other have noted, VNC runs on port 5900 by default. You will find the GUI for changing the firewall settings in the menu under system settings: System Settings -> Security Level In the "Other ports" box at the bottom of the utility, you will want to add "5900:tcp". -Eric > Steve Hargadon wrote: > >> If you installed K12ltsp, vnc is already running, and you just need a >> free client (realvnc.com can get you one) and you are ready to go. As >> long as you aren't blocking any ports between you and the library, >> just put in the eth1 address when the vnc client comes up, and you >> should be able to log right in. >> >> I only answered your query, instead of letting the real experts take >> it, because I think most everyone must be on spring break. The list is >> oh so quiet.... >> >> Steve >> >> >> On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 09:57:23 -1000, Byron Kapali >> wrote: >> >>> Aloha All, >>> Im an new to the K12LTSP revolution but I am very familiar with VNC. I >>> setup a mini K12LTSP lab in my library with thin clients running out of >>> eth1 and my internet connection out of eth0. The problem I am having is >>> that I have to run down to the library to everytime I want to do updates or >>> just modify a few things on the K12LTSP server. Is there a way to setup >>> VNC >>> server on K12LTSP such that I can login from my room and not have to run >>> down to the library? I can ping server's eth0 port so I'm assuming that I >>> can establish a VNC connection. Any suggestions? >>> >>> Byron Kapali >>> Hilo High School >>> From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Sun Mar 20 13:47:47 2005 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 21:47:47 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] prelink Message-ID: <1111326468.5245.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> I've generally been using KDE, but have been trying to get more comfortable with icewm because I'm on an 'old' PII 450MHz as my ltsp server 8-). When I switch to running icewm I see that prelink (at the moment, at least) is operating and being a real cpu hog taking up >70% of system/cpu resources. I don't see this at all with KDE. I did a quick read of 'man prelink' but that doesn't give any light (to me) on why it's running. Here is a selection of ps -aux and below that a section of top to show what I mean: ####### ps aux extract with wrapped lines ############ # root 5956 0.0 0.0 5244 1020 ? SN 21:16 0:00 /bin/sh /etc/cron.daily/prelink # root 5957 0.0 0.0 5144 688 ? SN 21:16 0:00 awk -v progname=/etc/cron.daily/prelink progname {????? print progname ": \n"????? progname="";???? }???? { print; } # root 5965 53.3 0.3 6692 3880 ? RN 21:16 8:50 /usr/sbin/prelink -av -mR -q ################################################## ######## top extract ######### 5965 root 39 19 13420 10m 488 R 86.9 1.0 16:33.11 prelink 6840 gavin 15 0 109m 42m 17m S 4.3 4.2 2:56.27 galeon ############################# Any clues welcome. I'm tempted to kill the app, but since it's running as a daily cron job it might be doing something useful and get over it sometime soon :-) -- Regards, Gavin Chester, From ddaniels at magic.fr Sun Mar 20 15:11:06 2005 From: ddaniels at magic.fr (ddaniels at magic.fr) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 07:11:06 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP and VNC In-Reply-To: <1111278243.31084.222.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <001d01c52cbd$dee88a70$6501a8c0@Dadz> <1111278243.31084.222.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <423D928A.3030803@magic.fr> This conversation has been wikified: http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/VNC%20Access thanks to all! dennis Les Mikesell wrote: >On Sat, 2005-03-19 at 13:57, Byron Kapali wrote: > > >>Im an new to the K12LTSP revolution but I am very familiar with VNC. I >>setup a mini K12LTSP lab in my library with thin clients running out of >>eth1 and my internet connection out of eth0. The problem I am having is >>that I have to run down to the library to everytime I want to do updates or >>just modify a few things on the K12LTSP server. Is there a way to setup VNC >>server on K12LTSP such that I can login from my room and not have to run >>down to the library? I can ping server's eth0 port so I'm assuming that I >>can establish a VNC connection. Any suggestions? >> >> > >If you took all the defaults on the setup you should already have vnc >configured to start a new session out of xinetd on a connection. >However you probably have everything except ssh firewalled on the eth0 >side. If you can do your work in character mode, just log in with ssh >instead (or use putty if you are on a windows box). If you need vnc >you can either use the ssh/putty port-forwarding feature to forward >local 5900 to localhost:5900 and then tell vnc to connect to localhost, >or you can open up the port(s) in the firewall. (5900 through 5905 >are used for different size/color depth screens - use 'grep vnc >/etc/services to see the list). > > > -- lost and found: www.dennisgdaniels.com 951 347 9711 EOF -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ddaniels.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 281 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ddaniels at magic.fr Sun Mar 20 15:16:15 2005 From: ddaniels at magic.fr (ddaniels at magic.fr) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 07:16:15 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] prelink In-Reply-To: <1111326468.5245.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1111326468.5245.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <423D93BF.5080507@magic.fr> Gavin I'm using IceWm too. We had some issues with IceWm chewing up huge resources... I don't know if this link will help or not: http://dennisgdaniels.com/tiki-index.php?page=K12LTSP+and+IceWM It goes over some other posts on this list with some tips from jammcq as well hth Dennis Gavin Chester wrote: >I've generally been using KDE, but have been trying to get more >comfortable with icewm because I'm on an 'old' PII 450MHz as my ltsp >server 8-). When I switch to running icewm I see that prelink (at the >moment, at least) is operating and being a real cpu hog taking up >70% >of system/cpu resources. I don't see this at all with KDE. I did a >quick read of 'man prelink' but that doesn't give any light (to me) on >why it's running. Here is a selection of ps -aux and below that a >section of top to show what I mean: > >####### ps aux extract with wrapped lines ############ ># root 5956 0.0 0.0 5244 1020 ? SN 21:16 >0:00 /bin/sh /etc/cron.daily/prelink ># root 5957 0.0 0.0 5144 688 ? SN 21:16 0:00 awk -v >progname=/etc/cron.daily/prelink progname {????? print progname ": >\n"????? progname="";???? }???? { print; } ># root 5965 53.3 0.3 6692 3880 ? RN 21:16 >8:50 /usr/sbin/prelink -av -mR -q >################################################## > >######## top extract ######### > 5965 root 39 19 13420 10m 488 R 86.9 1.0 16:33.11 prelink > 6840 gavin 15 0 109m 42m 17m S 4.3 4.2 2:56.27 galeon >############################# > >Any clues welcome. I'm tempted to kill the app, but since it's running >as a daily cron job it might be doing something useful and get over it >sometime soon :-) > > > > -- lost and found: www.dennisgdaniels.com 951 347 9711 EOF -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ddaniels.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 281 bytes Desc: not available URL: From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Sun Mar 20 16:40:17 2005 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 00:40:17 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] prelink In-Reply-To: <423D93BF.5080507@magic.fr> References: <1111326468.5245.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <423D93BF.5080507@magic.fr> Message-ID: <1111336817.7475.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2005-03-20 at 07:16 -0800, ddaniels at magic.fr wrote: > Gavin > I'm using IceWm too. We had some issues with IceWm chewing up huge > resources... I don't know if this link will help or not: > http://dennisgdaniels.com/tiki-index.php?page=K12LTSP+and+IceWM > > It goes over some other posts on this list with some tips from jammcq as > well > > hth > Dennis > Thanks for the pointer, Dennis. I remember the threads on this list about icewm resource problems, but never saw previous mention of the 'prelink' app that was causing me trouble. I'll institute the change suggested in the link(s) to see if it helps - though the daily cron of 'prelink' has run it's course now and I guess I'll have to wait until tomorrow to see if it comes back after my change. Yes, yes, I should look at my list of cron jobs, I suppose, and comment that one out to make sure it's gone for good :-) I'll also re-read all the icewm threads in the archive (I've them archived locally, anyway) ... and I need to read up on editing icewm config files since I wasn't bothered about doing that until now ;-) Gavin. > Gavin Chester wrote: > > >I've generally been using KDE, but have been trying to get more > >comfortable with icewm because I'm on an 'old' PII 450MHz as my ltsp > >server 8-). When I switch to running icewm I see that prelink (at the > >moment, at least) is operating and being a real cpu hog taking up >70% > >of system/cpu resources. I don't see this at all with KDE. I did a > >quick read of 'man prelink' but that doesn't give any light (to me) on > >why it's running. Here is a selection of ps -aux and below that a > >section of top to show what I mean: > > > >####### ps aux extract with wrapped lines ############ > ># root 5956 0.0 0.0 5244 1020 ? SN 21:16 > >0:00 /bin/sh /etc/cron.daily/prelink > ># root 5957 0.0 0.0 5144 688 ? SN 21:16 0:00 awk -v > >progname=/etc/cron.daily/prelink progname {????? print progname ": > >\n"????? progname="";???? }???? { print; } > ># root 5965 53.3 0.3 6692 3880 ? RN 21:16 > >8:50 /usr/sbin/prelink -av -mR -q > >################################################## > > > >######## top extract ######### > > 5965 root 39 19 13420 10m 488 R 86.9 1.0 16:33.11 prelink > > 6840 gavin 15 0 109m 42m 17m S 4.3 4.2 2:56.27 galeon > >############################# > > > >Any clues welcome. I'm tempted to kill the app, but since it's running > >as a daily cron job it might be doing something useful and get over it > >sometime soon :-) > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Sun Mar 20 16:50:05 2005 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 00:50:05 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] some apt package build errors (still) Message-ID: <1111337405.7475.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> A few weeks ago I reported some errors with apt that were partly answered and fixed at the time (primarily my own clumsy ignorance at the time). However, I have two errors that were present in my first report and which have persisted through three instances of 'apt-get dist- upgrade', each spaced about a week apart. I'm no closer to seeing a solution to these, so if anyone can shed light on why I keep getting these errors when apt tries to install upgrades: raidtools ########################################### [ 15%] error: unpacking of archive failed on file /sbin/mkraid: cpio: lsetfilecon failed - Invalid argument gimp ########################################### [ 54%] File '/usr/share/applications/fedora-scribus.desktop' contains invalid MIME type 'scd,scd.gz,sla,sla.gz' that contains invalid characters Thanks. -- Regards, Gavin Chester, From jam at mcquil.com Sun Mar 20 17:22:57 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 12:22:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] prelink In-Reply-To: <1111336817.7475.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1111326468.5245.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <423D93BF.5080507@magic.fr> <1111336817.7475.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Gavin, The running of the prelink script has nothing to do with Icewm or KDE. It's entirely independent. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Mon, 21 Mar 2005, Gavin Chester wrote: > On Sun, 2005-03-20 at 07:16 -0800, ddaniels at magic.fr wrote: > > Gavin > > I'm using IceWm too. We had some issues with IceWm chewing up huge > > resources... I don't know if this link will help or not: > > http://dennisgdaniels.com/tiki-index.php?page=K12LTSP+and+IceWM > > > > It goes over some other posts on this list with some tips from jammcq as > > well > > > > hth > > Dennis > > > > Thanks for the pointer, Dennis. I remember the threads on this list > about icewm resource problems, but never saw previous mention of the > 'prelink' app that was causing me trouble. I'll institute the change > suggested in the link(s) to see if it helps - though the daily cron of > 'prelink' has run it's course now and I guess I'll have to wait until > tomorrow to see if it comes back after my change. Yes, yes, I should > look at my list of cron jobs, I suppose, and comment that one out to > make sure it's gone for good :-) > > I'll also re-read all the icewm threads in the archive (I've them > archived locally, anyway) ... and I need to read up on editing icewm > config files since I wasn't bothered about doing that until now ;-) > > Gavin. > > > > Gavin Chester wrote: > > > > >I've generally been using KDE, but have been trying to get more > > >comfortable with icewm because I'm on an 'old' PII 450MHz as my ltsp > > >server 8-). When I switch to running icewm I see that prelink (at the > > >moment, at least) is operating and being a real cpu hog taking up >70% > > >of system/cpu resources. I don't see this at all with KDE. I did a > > >quick read of 'man prelink' but that doesn't give any light (to me) on > > >why it's running. Here is a selection of ps -aux and below that a > > >section of top to show what I mean: > > > > > >####### ps aux extract with wrapped lines ############ > > ># root 5956 0.0 0.0 5244 1020 ? SN 21:16 > > >0:00 /bin/sh /etc/cron.daily/prelink > > ># root 5957 0.0 0.0 5144 688 ? SN 21:16 0:00 awk -v > > >progname=/etc/cron.daily/prelink progname {????? print progname ": > > >\n"????? progname="";???? }???? { print; } > > ># root 5965 53.3 0.3 6692 3880 ? RN 21:16 > > >8:50 /usr/sbin/prelink -av -mR -q > > >################################################## > > > > > >######## top extract ######### > > > 5965 root 39 19 13420 10m 488 R 86.9 1.0 16:33.11 prelink > > > 6840 gavin 15 0 109m 42m 17m S 4.3 4.2 2:56.27 galeon > > >############################# > > > > > >Any clues welcome. I'm tempted to kill the app, but since it's running > > >as a daily cron job it might be doing something useful and get over it > > >sometime soon :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Mar 20 19:48:55 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 11:48:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] some apt package build errors (still) In-Reply-To: <1111337405.7475.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1111337405.7475.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Mon, 21 Mar 2005, Gavin Chester wrote: > A few weeks ago I reported some errors with apt that were partly > answered and fixed at the time (primarily my own clumsy ignorance at the > time). However, I have two errors that were present in my first report > and which have persisted through three instances of 'apt-get dist- > upgrade', each spaced about a week apart. I'm no closer to seeing a > solution to these, so if anyone can shed light on why I keep getting > these errors when apt tries to install upgrades: > > > raidtools ########################################### > [ 15%] > error: unpacking of archive failed on file /sbin/mkraid: cpio: > lsetfilecon failed - Invalid argument I googled for "lsetfilecon failed" and it appears to be related to SELinux. Just for kicks, can you use yum and/or up2date and see if the error goes away? up2date -i raidtools yum install raidtools I'm curious to know if SELinux is aware of up2date/yum/rpm and lets those utilites update packages that would otherwise be blocked. (but not curious enough to stop what I'm doing and check the SELinux policy ;-) > gimp ########################################### > [ 54%] > File '/usr/share/applications/fedora-scribus.desktop' contains invalid > MIME type 'scd,scd.gz,sla,sla.gz' that contains invalid characters This is an annoyance in the scribus package. Since it has not been fixed up-stream, I'll probably patch it for K12LTSP. -Eric From nelsda at yahoo.com Sun Mar 20 23:55:15 2005 From: nelsda at yahoo.com (David D. Nelson) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 15:55:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Can't see internet on fresh 4.2.0 install SOLVED In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050320235515.85259.qmail@web51905.mail.yahoo.com> I finally have it solved! Here is what I did. I finally just decided to try installing Trustix since it was a small install and a different kernel. During install, after entering the IP configuration for each NIC it said that it couldn't see the Gateway and forced me back to the NIC setup. I traded the IP settings around and nothing changed so I hit upon an idea. My ISP gave me a static IP of x.x.x.162, a gateway of x.x.x.125 and a subnet mask of 255.255.255.252. I changed the subnet mask to 255.255.255.0 and everything started working. I don't understand exactly what range of addresses the .252 gives me but I assume that either linux can't handle it (I doubt that is true but my Win 2K box worked with it.) or the range of addresses does not include x.x.x.125. What I don't know is what problems might I be creating by using a bigger range subnet mask. Should I worry about it or contact my ISP about it? Thank you all for the help and ideas. David --- Jim McQuillan wrote: > One of the major differences between k12ltsp-3 and > k12ltsp-4 is the > server now uses a 2.6 kernel. I point this out, > because the 2.6 kernel > detects network interfaces differently, and many > times in the reverse > order. > > So, what was eth0 and eth1 on a 2.4 kernel becomes > eth1 and eth0. > > If you are having networking troubles after > upgrading to anything with a > 2.6 kernel, try swapping the network cables. > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > On Wed, 16 Mar 2005, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > > > I tried the acpi=off and it didn't change. When > I ping > > > I get a network not reachable still. This box > worked > > > fine on K12LTSP 3.x. > > > > Darn. I was hoping this would fix it for you. I > have a box that has > > the exact same problem. Running 3.x no problems > at all, switched to 4.x > > and I couldn't get to the internet and had the > same network unreachable > > error. Adding the acpi=off worked fine for me. > > > > > When I do a fresh install of 4.2.0 do I select > the > > > HTML box if I'm not hosting web pages on this > box? > > > Maybe it isn't the firewall and maybe it is the > > > network line. Any ideas? > > > > > > David > > > --- Angus Carr > wrote: > > > > This happened to me, and was traced down to an > ACPI > > > > bug in the BIOS. > > > > Anyway, the solution was to add acpi=off to > the > > > > kernel command line. > > > > You can test that by editting the command line > at > > > > boot time using grub's > > > > tools for doing that. If you want to test it > > > > permanently, you can edit > > > > /etc/grub.conf and add it there. > > > > > > > > This may not be the problem, but it has > happened to > > > > others. > > > > > > > > Angus Carr. > > > > > > > > > > > > David D. Nelson wrote: > > > > > > > > >I can't get a new install of K12LTSP 4.2.0 to > see > > > > the > > > > >internet. I have a static IP which is > connected to > > > > >eth1. I have set the correct ip, mask, and > gateway > > > > >according to what my ISP provided. I know > they work > > > > >because I can connect with a windows box > using the > > > > >same settings. I can ping eth1's ip but when > I try > > > > to > > > > >ping anything on the outside I get a message > which > > > > >says something like network not reachable. I > > > > finally > > > > >did a default install to see if it was > something I > > > > did > > > > >wrong and it still doesn't work. Could there > be > > > > some > > > > >firewall settings I need to set? If so, > how/what do > > > > I > > > > >set them to? At this point I don't need to > host > > > > >anything. I just want my terminals back and > be able > > > > to > > > > >have the LTSP box be a firewall and router to > the > > > > >internet. > > > > > > > > > >Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >David D. 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Mail has the best spam > protection around > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > -- > > > This message has been scanned for viruses and > > > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > > > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > > > > > > > > -- > > This message has been scanned for viruses and > > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > David D. Nelson nelsda at yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From les at futuresource.com Mon Mar 21 01:10:59 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 19:10:59 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Can't see internet on fresh 4.2.0 install SOLVED In-Reply-To: <20050320235515.85259.qmail@web51905.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050320235515.85259.qmail@web51905.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1111367458.11818.171.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2005-03-20 at 17:55, David D. Nelson wrote: > My ISP gave me a static IP of > x.x.x.162, a gateway of x.x.x.125 and a subnet mask of > 255.255.255.252. Something is wrong with those values. A 255.255.255.252 netmask gives you 4 addresses with only 2 usable: .161 and .162. Your gateway must be within the same subnet and the .125 address isn't. Could the netmask have been 255.255.252.0? Or could .161 be the gateway? -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From cliebow at downeast.net Mon Mar 21 01:09:55 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 01:09:55 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Can't see internet on fresh 4.2.0 install SOLVED Message-ID: <200503210006.j2L069B16358@downeast.net> that subet mask is ridiulous.i think with that gateaway your network would be 124 gateway 125 one usable address (126) and a boraodcast 0f 127.chuck > I finally have it solved! > > Here is what I did. I finally just decided to try > installing Trustix since it was a small install and a > different kernel. During install, after entering the > IP configuration for each NIC it said that it couldn't > see the Gateway and forced me back to the NIC setup. I > traded the IP settings around and nothing changed so I > hit upon an idea. My ISP gave me a static IP of > x.x.x.162, a gateway of x.x.x.125 and a subnet mask of > 255.255.255.252. I changed the subnet mask to > 255.255.255.0 and everything started working. I don't > understand exactly what range of addresses the .252 > gives me but I assume that either linux can't handle > it (I doubt that is true but my Win 2K box worked with > it.) or the range of addresses does not include > x.x.x.125. What I don't know is what problems might I > be creating by using a bigger range subnet mask. > Should I worry about it or contact my ISP about it? > > Thank you all for the help and ideas. > > David > --- Jim McQuillan wrote: > > > One of the major differences between k12ltsp-3 and > > k12ltsp-4 is the > > server now uses a 2.6 kernel. I point this out, > > because the 2.6 kernel > > detects network interfaces differently, and many > > times in the reverse > > order. > > > > So, what was eth0 and eth1 on a 2.4 kernel becomes > > eth1 and eth0. > > > > If you are having networking troubles after > > upgrading to anything with a > > 2.6 kernel, try swapping the network cables. > > > > Jim McQuillan > > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > > > > > On Wed, 16 Mar 2005, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > > > > > I tried the acpi=off and it didn't change. When > > I ping > > > > I get a network not reachable still. This box > > worked > > > > fine on K12LTSP 3.x. > > > > > > Darn. I was hoping this would fix it for you. I > > have a box that has > > > the exact same problem. Running 3.x no problems > > at all, switched to 4.x > > > and I couldn't get to the internet and had the > > same network unreachable > > > error. Adding the acpi=off worked fine for me. > > > > > > > When I do a fresh install of 4.2.0 do I select > > the > > > > HTML box if I'm not hosting web pages on this > > box? > > > > Maybe it isn't the firewall and maybe it is the > > > > network line. Any ideas? > > > > > > > > David > > > > --- Angus Carr > > wrote: > > > > > This happened to me, and was traced down to an > > ACPI > > > > > bug in the BIOS. > > > > > Anyway, the solution was to add acpi=off to > > the > > > > > kernel command line. > > > > > You can test that by editting the command line > > at > > > > > boot time using grub's > > > > > tools for doing that. If you want to test it > > > > > permanently, you can edit > > > > > /etc/grub.conf and add it there. > > > > > > > > > > This may not be the problem, but it has > > happened to > > > > > others. > > > > > > > > > > Angus Carr. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > David D. Nelson wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >I can't get a new install of K12LTSP 4.2.0 to > > see > > > > > the > > > > > >internet. I have a static IP which is > > connected to > > > > > >eth1. I have set the correct ip, mask, and > > gateway > > > > > >according to what my ISP provided. I know > > they work > > > > > >because I can connect with a windows box > > using the > > > > > >same settings. I can ping eth1's ip but when > > I try > > > > > to > > > > > >ping anything on the outside I get a message > > which > > > > > >says something like network not reachable. I > > > > > finally > > > > > >did a default install to see if it was > > something I > > > > > did > > > > > >wrong and it still doesn't work. Could there > > be > > > > > some > > > > > >firewall settings I need to set? If so, > > how/what do > > > > > I > > > > > >set them to? At this point I don't need to > > host > > > > > >anything. I just want my terminals back and > > be able > > > > > to > > > > > >have the LTSP box be a firewall and router to > > the > > > > > >internet. > > > > > > > > > > > >Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >David D. Nelson > > > > > >nelsda at yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________ > > > > > >Do you Yahoo!? > > > > > >Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources > > site! > > > > > >http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > > > >K12OSN mailing list > > > > > >K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > > >For more info see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > > > > David D. Nelson > > > > nelsda at yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > -- > > > > This message has been scanned for viruses and > > > > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > > > > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > This message has been scanned for viruses and > > > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > > > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > David D. Nelson > nelsda at yahoo.com > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Mon Mar 21 01:26:50 2005 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 09:26:50 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] some apt package build errors (still) In-Reply-To: References: <1111337405.7475.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1111368410.24993.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2005-03-20 at 11:48 -0800, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Mon, 21 Mar 2005, Gavin Chester wrote: > > > A few weeks ago I reported some errors with apt that were partly > > answered and fixed at the time (primarily my own clumsy ignorance at the > > time). However, I have two errors that were present in my first report > > and which have persisted through three instances of 'apt-get dist- > > upgrade', each spaced about a week apart. I'm no closer to seeing a > > solution to these, so if anyone can shed light on why I keep getting > > these errors when apt tries to install upgrades: > > > > > > raidtools ########################################### > > [ 15%] > > error: unpacking of archive failed on file /sbin/mkraid: cpio: > > lsetfilecon failed - Invalid argument > > I googled for "lsetfilecon failed" and it appears to be related to > SELinux. Just for kicks, can you use yum and/or up2date and see if the > error goes away? > > up2date -i raidtools > yum install raidtools Thanks, Eric but I got this result from each update tool: --------------------- yum install raidtools No Match for argument: raidtools Nothing to do & up2date -i raidtools The following packages you requested were not found: raidtools --------------------- I'm using the standard k12 list of repos. Nevermind, I don't have raid set up on this server anyway :-( --------------------- > > I'm curious to know if SELinux is aware of up2date/yum/rpm and lets > those utilites update packages that would otherwise be blocked. (but > not curious enough to stop what I'm doing and check the SELinux > policy ;-) > > > gimp ########################################### > > [ 54%] > > File '/usr/share/applications/fedora-scribus.desktop' contains invalid > > MIME type 'scd,scd.gz,sla,sla.gz' that contains invalid characters > > This is an annoyance in the scribus package. Since it has not been fixed > up-stream, I'll probably patch it for K12LTSP. > > -Eric look forward to it being available :-) -- Regards, Gavin Chester, From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Mar 21 01:41:03 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 17:41:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] some apt package build errors (still) In-Reply-To: <1111368410.24993.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1111337405.7475.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1111368410.24993.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Mon, 21 Mar 2005, Gavin Chester wrote: > On Sun, 2005-03-20 at 11:48 -0800, Eric Harrison wrote: >> On Mon, 21 Mar 2005, Gavin Chester wrote: >> >>> A few weeks ago I reported some errors with apt that were partly >>> answered and fixed at the time (primarily my own clumsy ignorance at the >>> time). However, I have two errors that were present in my first report >>> and which have persisted through three instances of 'apt-get dist- >>> upgrade', each spaced about a week apart. I'm no closer to seeing a >>> solution to these, so if anyone can shed light on why I keep getting >>> these errors when apt tries to install upgrades: >>> >>> >>> raidtools ########################################### >>> [ 15%] >>> error: unpacking of archive failed on file /sbin/mkraid: cpio: >>> lsetfilecon failed - Invalid argument >> >> I googled for "lsetfilecon failed" and it appears to be related to >> SELinux. Just for kicks, can you use yum and/or up2date and see if the >> error goes away? >> >> up2date -i raidtools >> yum install raidtools > > Thanks, Eric but I got this result from each update tool: > > --------------------- > yum install raidtools > No Match for argument: raidtools > Nothing to do > > & > up2date -i raidtools > The following packages you requested were not found: > raidtools > --------------------- > > I'm using the standard k12 list of repos. Nevermind, I don't have raid > set up on this server anyway :-( > --------------------- What version are you running? "raidtools" is not included in K12LTSP 4.2.x, but it is not removed when upgrading from older versions. If you upgraded from an earlier version to 4.2.0, and you don't use RAID, you might want to just "rpm -e raidtools". >>> gimp ########################################### >>> [ 54%] >>> File '/usr/share/applications/fedora-scribus.desktop' contains invalid >>> MIME type 'scd,scd.gz,sla,sla.gz' that contains invalid characters >> >> This is an annoyance in the scribus package. Since it has not been fixed >> up-stream, I'll probably patch it for K12LTSP. >> >> -Eric > > look forward to it being available :-) Hopefully soon. I'm heading into "spring break", which means I'll be insanely busy trying to get stuff done at work while everyone else is taking the week off ;-) -Eric From tkaldahl at maplewoodacademy.org Sun Mar 20 19:48:15 2005 From: tkaldahl at maplewoodacademy.org (tkaldahl at maplewoodacademy.org) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 19:48:15 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] some apt package build errors (still) In-Reply-To: References: <1111337405.7475.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1111368410.24993.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200503201948.15855.tkaldahl@maplewoodacademy.org> On Monday 21 March 2005 01:41 am, Eric Harrison wrote: > Hopefully soon. I'm heading into "spring break", which means I'll be > insanely busy trying to get stuff done at work while everyone else is > taking the week off ;-) > > -Eric But at least they won't be there to bother you. ;) That's why midnight to 6:00am is my most productive time. From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Mon Mar 21 01:49:49 2005 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 09:49:49 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] some apt package build errors (still) In-Reply-To: References: <1111337405.7475.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1111368410.24993.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1111369789.24993.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2005-03-20 at 17:41 -0800, Eric Harrison wrote: > > I'm using the standard k12 list of repos. Nevermind, I don't have > raid > > set up on this server anyway :-( > > --------------------- > > What version are you running? "raidtools" is not included in K12LTSP > 4.2.x, > but it is not removed when upgrading from older versions. If you > upgraded > from an earlier version to 4.2.0, and you don't use RAID, you might > want to just "rpm -e raidtools". I've got a fresh install of 4.2.0 - but I'll just throw out raidtools, as you say. Thanks. -- Regards, Gavin Chester, From daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se Mon Mar 21 06:34:39 2005 From: daniel.hedblom at skola.solleftea.se (Daniel Hedblom) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 07:34:39 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Network problems. Message-ID: <1111386879.423e6affc6771@rix01.dyndns.org> Hello! I have some problems on my network. I loose connectivity with the servers sometimes and i suspect its because of our network. I just want to check with you if anyone have experienced problems reaching the server at high load and what was the cause of the problems. I dont have complete control over the network so i need to be sure before i raise my voice over this. Load testing do make the connection between the server and the clients to dissappear, that is, ping from server to clients dont make it alive. What i would need and apriciate is some pointers to what you have experienced and what did remedy the network problems with k12ltsp. Cheers! /daniel Ne auderis delere orbem rigidum meum! ('< ----------------+------------------------------- /V\ Daniel Hedblom | Nipanskolan <(_) ----------------+ Solleftea /__ /\ __~~__________________Network_Technician__](__=_`)___ From robark at gmail.com Mon Mar 21 08:36:03 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 00:36:03 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Informit.com article about LTSP Message-ID: Linux Thin Clients: The Server http://www.informit.com/articles/article.asp?p=370627 -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From perodim at on.net.mk Mon Mar 21 09:39:12 2005 From: perodim at on.net.mk (Petar Dimitrijevic) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 10:39:12 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] prelink Message-ID: <423E9640.1020300@on.net.mk> Hi, If you had previous experience with Windows and its prefetch folder you already know what prelink is. If not, it is an service that speeds up application startup by prelinking it against libraries on the system, thus creating and modifying an application image. The system will work with out it enabled, but slower startup times of applications are expected, which doesn't really matter in the KLTSP case, because prelinking is to be used on workstations primarily. Also some applications, like wine cedega cannot run if prelinking is on. Prelinking is included with Fedora Core since V2. You should search the net on how to disable the prelinking, because, not only the cron job should be removed. I think that there was an configuration file that should be modified as well. Best regards, Petar Dimitrijevic From hick518 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 21 11:37:25 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 03:37:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] best browser for LTSP environment Message-ID: <20050321113725.8038.qmail@web41609.mail.yahoo.com> I've read in recent posts on this list that Mozilla / Firefox are good candidates for local apps because they do not share libraries well between users. OpenOffice was cited as an application that benefits from shared libraries in an LTSP setup. My question is: Is there a web browser that is more tuned for use in an LTSP environment? And while I'm at it, I might as well ask for a recommendation for an email client that "shares nicely" in LTSP. Thanks -Rob __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From gumprechtm at msln.net Mon Mar 21 11:43:58 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 06:43:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Network problems. In-Reply-To: <1111386879.423e6affc6771@rix01.dyndns.org> References: <1111386879.423e6affc6771@rix01.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <423EB37E.10108@msln.net> Dan, what kind of switches do you have? Brand name and model. Managed or unmanaged? Your wire? Cat3,5,5e,6? I've had the same problems before. My best theory, for my problem, is the wiring in the building. It was run any ole way, exceeding 300', running over many florecent lights, etc... Mark Daniel Hedblom wrote: >Hello! > >I have some problems on my network. I loose connectivity with the servers >sometimes and i suspect its because of our network. I just want to check with >you if anyone have experienced problems reaching the server at high load and >what was the cause of the problems. I dont have complete control over the >network so i need to be sure before i raise my voice over this. Load testing do >make the connection between the server and the clients to dissappear, that is, >ping from server to clients dont make it alive. > >What i would need and apriciate is some pointers to what you have experienced >and what did remedy the network problems with k12ltsp. > >Cheers! > >/daniel > >Ne auderis delere orbem rigidum meum! > > ('< ----------------+------------------------------- > /V\ Daniel Hedblom | Nipanskolan ><(_) ----------------+ Solleftea /__ /\ >__~~__________________Network_Technician__](__=_`)___ > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From cliebow at downeast.net Mon Mar 21 12:15:10 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 12:15:10 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Re: [K12Ones wired outSN] Network problems. Message-ID: <200503211111.j2LBBK421378@downeast.net> especially on long runs lines wired unconventionally will produce cross talk.if the twisted ;pairs are screwed up you got problems..chuck > >sometimes and i suspect its because of our network. I just want to check withon long run > >you if anyone have experienced problems reaching the server at high load and > >what was the cause of the problems. I dont have complete control over the > >network so i need to be sure before i raise my voice over this. Load testing do > >make the connection between the server and the clients to dissappear, that is, > >piespecially on long runs ifng from server to clients dont make it alive. > > > >What i would need and apriciate is some pointers to what you have experienced > >and what did remedy the network problems with k12ltsp. > > > >Cheers! > > > >/daniel > > > >Ne auderis delere orbem rigidum meum! > > > > ('< ----------------+------------------------------- > > /V\ Daniel Hedblom | Nipanskolan > ><(_) ----------------+ Solleftea /__ /\ > >__~~__________________Network_Technician__](__=_`)___ > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > > > > -- > Mark Gumprecht > Data Systems Specialist > MSAD3 > Unity, ME > gumprechtm at msln.net > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From les at futuresource.com Mon Mar 21 13:46:43 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 07:46:43 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Network problems. In-Reply-To: <1111386879.423e6affc6771@rix01.dyndns.org> References: <1111386879.423e6affc6771@rix01.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <1111412802.16833.9.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2005-03-21 at 00:34, Daniel Hedblom wrote: > What i would need and apriciate is some pointers to what you have experienced > and what did remedy the network problems with k12ltsp. "ifconfig -a" will show your interface statistics and you should have 0 or very few errors/drops. ethtool or mii-tool will show the speed and duplex settings on your end. If you have managed switches there will be commands to get similar info from them. Sometimes you can tell the speed/duplex setting from leds near the ports, even on unmanaged switches. The first thing to check is that both ends of the connections match in duplex settings. If that is right and there are errors at either end the wiring is bad. If you can't find anything showing errors, you may have something massively overloaded, like a 10Meg hub in the path between 100Meg switches. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From ddaniels at magic.fr Mon Mar 21 14:20:29 2005 From: ddaniels at magic.fr (ddaniels at magic.fr) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 06:20:29 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] best browser for LTSP environment In-Reply-To: <20050321113725.8038.qmail@web41609.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050321113725.8038.qmail@web41609.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <423ED82D.2000202@magic.fr> We use Firefox in our 35+ node network. It works fine. I've turned a couple of students on to links as well for the fun of it. No advice on email clients. sorry. best Dennis Rob Owens wrote: >I've read in recent posts on this list that Mozilla / >Firefox are good candidates for local apps because >they do not share libraries well between users. >OpenOffice was cited as an application that benefits >from shared libraries in an LTSP setup. > >My question is: Is there a web browser that is more >tuned for use in an LTSP environment? And while I'm >at it, I might as well ask for a recommendation for an >email client that "shares nicely" in LTSP. > >Thanks > >-Rob > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! >http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > -- lost and found: www.dennisgdaniels.com 951 347 9711 EOF -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ddaniels.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 281 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Mar 21 15:21:54 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 10:21:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] best browser for LTSP environment In-Reply-To: <423ED82D.2000202@magic.fr> References: <20050321113725.8038.qmail@web41609.mail.yahoo.com> <423ED82D.2000202@magic.fr> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, March 21, 2005 at 9:20 AM +0000 wrote: >We use Firefox in our 35+ node network Are you using Flash as well? Firefox works fine for us....but once the kids start playing Flash based games or using Flash based education sites....the CPU usage on the server goes throught the roof! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From les at futuresource.com Mon Mar 21 15:36:40 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 09:36:40 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] best browser for LTSP environment In-Reply-To: References: <20050321113725.8038.qmail@web41609.mail.yahoo.com> <423ED82D.2000202@magic.fr> Message-ID: <1111419399.15579.2.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2005-03-21 at 09:21, David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Monday, March 21, 2005 at 9:20 AM +0000 wrote: > >We use Firefox in our 35+ node network > > Are you using Flash as well? Firefox works fine for us....but once the > kids start playing Flash based games or using Flash based education > sites....the CPU usage on the server goes throught the roof! I thought the first question in this thread was about using the browser as a local app. That should eliminate the server CPU issue but might require reasonably fast clients. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Mar 21 15:54:12 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 10:54:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] best browser for LTSP environment In-Reply-To: <1111419399.15579.2.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <20050321113725.8038.qmail@web41609.mail.yahoo.com> < > <423ED82D.2000202@magic.fr> < > <1111419399.15579.2.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, March 21, 2005 at 10:36 AM +0000 wrote: >I thought the first question in this thread was about using the >browser as a local app. That should eliminate the server CPU >issue but might require reasonably fast clients. You're right...I was simply asking Daniel if he experiences the same thing David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dhuckaby at paasda.org Mon Mar 21 16:15:42 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 08:15:42 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] best browser for LTSP environment In-Reply-To: <423ED82D.2000202@magic.fr> References: <20050321113725.8038.qmail@web41609.mail.yahoo.com> <423ED82D.2000202@magic.fr> Message-ID: <423EF32E.9030501@paasda.org> YAY Links!!! by far my most favorite web browser! because I abhore(sp) flash and image saturated web pages.. I like the web for information, not for eye candy... (yes I realize I might want to SEE what an F-15 looks like or something like that...but 99% of my web-use is for text-based material and I like it that way!) --Huck ddaniels at magic.fr wrote: > We use Firefox in our 35+ node network. It works fine. I've turned a > couple of students on to links as well for the fun of it. > > No advice on email clients. sorry. > > best > Dennis > > Rob Owens wrote: > >> I've read in recent posts on this list that Mozilla / >> Firefox are good candidates for local apps because >> they do not share libraries well between users. OpenOffice was cited >> as an application that benefits >> from shared libraries in an LTSP setup. >> My question is: Is there a web browser that is more >> tuned for use in an LTSP environment? And while I'm >> at it, I might as well ask for a recommendation for an >> email client that "shares nicely" in LTSP. >> >> Thanks >> >> -Rob >> >> >> >> __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small >> Business - Try our new resources site! >> http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From hick518 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 21 16:20:14 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 08:20:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] best browser for LTSP environment In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050321162014.1400.qmail@web41613.mail.yahoo.com> I understand that Firefox works properly in an LTSP environment. I'm using it myself, actually. But I was under the impression that because of its heavy use of java, the 2nd person to open up Firefox experiences about the same startup time as the 1st person. This is unlike other applications, where the 2nd person to open an app has a reduced startup time because the app is already in memory. So I'm still wondering if there is a browser which exhibits the behavior of my second example, above. -Rob --- "ddaniels at magic.fr" wrote: > We use Firefox in our 35+ node network. It works > fine. I've turned a > couple of students on to links as well for the fun > of it. > > No advice on email clients. sorry. > > best > Dennis > > Rob Owens wrote: > > >I've read in recent posts on this list that Mozilla > / > >Firefox are good candidates for local apps because > >they do not share libraries well between users. > >OpenOffice was cited as an application that > benefits > >from shared libraries in an LTSP setup. > > > >My question is: Is there a web browser that is > more > >tuned for use in an LTSP environment? And while > I'm > >at it, I might as well ask for a recommendation for > an > >email client that "shares nicely" in LTSP. > > > >Thanks > > > >-Rob > > > > > > > >__________________________________ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! 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Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon Mar 21 16:22:16 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 11:22:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Local Apps....Firefox....and more Message-ID: OK....the more I read the more I get confused.... I was just reading this http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LocalAppFirefox in addition to having read Chuck's post http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LocalApps and I can't figure out if the firefox one supercedes the one Chuck wrote. Nonetheless, I think there is enough of a need to make this process something that is scripted and included in K12LTSP as an option. Not being a coder, but getting better at bash scripting.... Would it be possible to write a script that generates ssh keys according to Chuck's how-to and then populates the correct stuff in the correct locations automagically? Next....would it be possible to pretty much script the installation of Firefox and the LocalApps bits so they go into the right places to use for local apps then all we'd have to do is enable the Local Browser piece in lts.conf. Secondly as soon as it's available if we can find the way to also use the flash-plugin as a local app....then I will be a very happy guy! (We all want that right?) According to Chuck, if you're running Samba/LDAP then NIS is not necessary....right? Whaddya think? What are the gotchas? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From gumprechtm at msln.net Mon Mar 21 16:02:20 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 11:02:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] smb, active directory,home dir In-Reply-To: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D78420646631@hhpmail.MEDIA.LOCAL> References: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D78420646631@hhpmail.MEDIA.LOCAL> Message-ID: <423EF00C.90301@msln.net> Burroughs, Henry wrote: >Mark, > >I'm moving in that direction too. AD speaks ldap, so you could export information into LDIF format. > Thanks for that info, export should speed conversion. I played with export before.. as a text file. But that was a while ago. > I've added a custom schema to my AD so I have unix attributes... so I currently do LDAP/kerberos authentication against AD (which means I want to export all my unix info from AD, and shove it into openLdap so I don't have to re-permission everything). > >Do you use exchange? I unfortunately do, and I either will move to open-xchange, SUSE open-exchange, > I do not use exchange and currently do not maintain a mail server. I have wanted to checkout open groupware, but have not gotten there yet. I had a primary domain controller crash a few months back and it wasn't pretty. I had 3 valid backups, but the junction points would not restore in the AD. I now maintain a current system state BU with the native BU utility which will restore properly. I had to start all over and recover all the files (permissions) by hand. I do not care to redo that again. >Groupwise, or ::shudders:: keep exchange and create a small AD domain that does a NT domain trust of the samba domain (it has been done before, I've seen some postings on the Net somewhere). > >You will have to reset all the passords, as I know of no way to retrieve them from the abyss of AD. > >Henry > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Mark Gumprecht [mailto:gumprechtm at msln.net] >Sent: Thu 3/17/2005 8:09 AM >To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >Cc: >Subject: [K12OSN] smb, active directory,home dir >Does anyone have or know of a writeup on how to get away from AD to >samba/ldap and how to direct a K12LTSP to a home/roaming profiles >server. The more I learn about AD, The more I lose sleep. >Mark > > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From nsinton at gmail.com Mon Mar 21 17:07:41 2005 From: nsinton at gmail.com (Nathan Sinton) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 10:07:41 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] smb, active directory,home dir In-Reply-To: <423EF00C.90301@msln.net> References: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D78420646631@hhpmail.MEDIA.LOCAL> <423EF00C.90301@msln.net> Message-ID: <2b06a1a050321090719bb50ae@mail.gmail.com> With smbldap is it possible to use group policies and/or deploy msi's like what can be done with AD? I rely heavily on both of these to manage my Windows boxes and probably couldn't do without them. On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 11:02:20 -0500, Mark Gumprecht wrote: > > > Burroughs, Henry wrote: > > >Mark, > > > >I'm moving in that direction too. AD speaks ldap, so you could export information into LDIF format. > > > Thanks for that info, export should speed conversion. I played with > export before.. as a text file. But that was a while ago. > > > I've added a custom schema to my AD so I have unix attributes... so I currently do LDAP/kerberos authentication against AD (which means I want to export all my unix info from AD, and shove it into openLdap so I don't have to re-permission everything). > > > >Do you use exchange? I unfortunately do, and I either will move to open-xchange, SUSE open-exchange, > > > I do not use exchange and currently do not maintain a mail server. I > have wanted to checkout open groupware, but have not gotten there yet. > I had a primary domain controller crash a few months back and it wasn't > pretty. I had 3 valid backups, but the junction points would not restore > in the AD. I now maintain a current system state BU with the native BU > utility which will restore properly. I had to start all over and recover > all the files (permissions) by hand. I do not care to redo that again. > > >Groupwise, or ::shudders:: keep exchange and create a small AD domain that does a NT domain trust of the samba domain (it has been done before, I've seen some postings on the Net somewhere). > > > >You will have to reset all the passords, as I know of no way to retrieve them from the abyss of AD. > > > >Henry > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Mark Gumprecht [mailto:gumprechtm at msln.net] > >Sent: Thu 3/17/2005 8:09 AM > >To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > >Cc: > >Subject: [K12OSN] smb, active directory,home dir > >Does anyone have or know of a writeup on how to get away from AD to > >samba/ldap and how to direct a K12LTSP to a home/roaming profiles > >server. The more I learn about AD, The more I lose sleep. > >Mark > > > > > > > > -- > Mark Gumprecht > Data Systems Specialist > MSAD3 > Unity, ME > gumprechtm at msln.net > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From nsinton at gmail.com Mon Mar 21 17:07:41 2005 From: nsinton at gmail.com (Nathan Sinton) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 10:07:41 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] smb, active directory,home dir In-Reply-To: <423EF00C.90301@msln.net> References: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D78420646631@hhpmail.MEDIA.LOCAL> <423EF00C.90301@msln.net> Message-ID: <2b06a1a050321090719bb50ae@mail.gmail.com> With smbldap is it possible to use group policies and/or deploy msi's like what can be done with AD? I rely heavily on both of these to manage my Windows boxes and probably couldn't do without them. On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 11:02:20 -0500, Mark Gumprecht wrote: > > > Burroughs, Henry wrote: > > >Mark, > > > >I'm moving in that direction too. AD speaks ldap, so you could export information into LDIF format. > > > Thanks for that info, export should speed conversion. I played with > export before.. as a text file. But that was a while ago. > > > I've added a custom schema to my AD so I have unix attributes... so I currently do LDAP/kerberos authentication against AD (which means I want to export all my unix info from AD, and shove it into openLdap so I don't have to re-permission everything). > > > >Do you use exchange? I unfortunately do, and I either will move to open-xchange, SUSE open-exchange, > > > I do not use exchange and currently do not maintain a mail server. I > have wanted to checkout open groupware, but have not gotten there yet. > I had a primary domain controller crash a few months back and it wasn't > pretty. I had 3 valid backups, but the junction points would not restore > in the AD. I now maintain a current system state BU with the native BU > utility which will restore properly. I had to start all over and recover > all the files (permissions) by hand. I do not care to redo that again. > > >Groupwise, or ::shudders:: keep exchange and create a small AD domain that does a NT domain trust of the samba domain (it has been done before, I've seen some postings on the Net somewhere). > > > >You will have to reset all the passords, as I know of no way to retrieve them from the abyss of AD. > > > >Henry > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Mark Gumprecht [mailto:gumprechtm at msln.net] > >Sent: Thu 3/17/2005 8:09 AM > >To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > >Cc: > >Subject: [K12OSN] smb, active directory,home dir > >Does anyone have or know of a writeup on how to get away from AD to > >samba/ldap and how to direct a K12LTSP to a home/roaming profiles > >server. The more I learn about AD, The more I lose sleep. > >Mark > > > > > > > > -- > Mark Gumprecht > Data Systems Specialist > MSAD3 > Unity, ME > gumprechtm at msln.net > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Mon Mar 21 17:35:07 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 11:35:07 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] universal etherboot iso? Message-ID: <1111426507.15579.8.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Is there a trick to making a CD version of the universal boot floppies that have been done containing mulitple etherboot drivers? None of the ways that I've tried to use that image to make a bootable CD have recognized it as being bootable. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dhuckaby at paasda.org Mon Mar 21 17:45:15 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 09:45:15 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] universal etherboot iso? In-Reply-To: <1111426507.15579.8.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1111426507.15579.8.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <423F082B.3050004@paasda.org> I have a universal boot CD Les, You want it? I don't use it... and I found it a year ago, so not sure where I got it. --Huck Les Mikesell wrote: > Is there a trick to making a CD version of the universal boot floppies > that have been done containing mulitple etherboot drivers? None of the > ways that I've tried to use that image to make a bootable CD have > recognized it as being bootable. > From david at okgoodwill.org Mon Mar 21 17:49:28 2005 From: david at okgoodwill.org (David H. Barr) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 11:49:28 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] universal etherboot iso? Message-ID: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E282119F54@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> I don't know about *nix methods, but I use an OEM copy of Nero that came bundled with a CDRW I had lying about. Bart ( http://www.nu2.nu/bootcd/ ) has a lot to say about the subject... -dhbarr. Around Monday, March 21, 2005 11:35 AM, Les Mikesell (mailto:les at futuresource.com) wrote: > Is there a trick to making a CD version of the universal boot floppies > that have been done containing mulitple etherboot drivers? None of > the > ways that I've tried to use that image to make a bootable CD have > recognized it as being bootable. From dhuckaby at paasda.org Mon Mar 21 17:47:09 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 09:47:09 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] lts.conf Message-ID: <423F089D.4070404@paasda.org> does this get 'read' each time a client boots up? I'm trying to do some X_MODE tweaks and want to be sure that each time I make a tweak I can just reboot the CLIENT and the tweak will be in effect...or if some process needs to be HUP'd or something else. --Huck From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Mar 21 17:50:26 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 09:50:26 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] lts.conf In-Reply-To: <423F089D.4070404@paasda.org> References: <423F089D.4070404@paasda.org> Message-ID: <423F0962.8040502@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Huck wrote: > does this get 'read' each time a client boots up? > > I'm trying to do some X_MODE tweaks and want to be sure > that each time I make a tweak I can just reboot the CLIENT > and the tweak will be in effect...or if some process needs > to be HUP'd or something else. > > --Huck > Yes, it is read each time a client boots up. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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That will kill the Xserver, which will cycle through, and respawn the startx script, which will re-read the config file, and regenerate the XF86Config file. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org From les at futuresource.com Mon Mar 21 18:03:15 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 12:03:15 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] universal etherboot iso? In-Reply-To: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E282119F54@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> References: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E282119F54@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> Message-ID: <1111428195.15579.13.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2005-03-21 at 11:49, David H. Barr wrote: > I don't know about *nix methods, but I use an OEM copy of Nero > that came bundled with a CDRW I had lying about. Bart > ( http://www.nu2.nu/bootcd/ ) has a lot to say about the subject... I think I have a copy of that at home but there is something about the floppy that doesn't look like a normal bootable disk. I tried k3b and Roxio (Windows) and they didn't like it - or I was doing something wrong. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From nsinton at gmail.com Mon Mar 21 18:05:52 2005 From: nsinton at gmail.com (Nathan Sinton) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 11:05:52 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] How to specify a custom XF86Config Message-ID: <2b06a1a05032110057a3eb8da@mail.gmail.com> I'm trying to use a Dell Optiplex 170L as a thin client and it came with the fussiest monitor I have ever seen. The monitor is a 17 inch LCD that says it supports 1280x1024 at 60Hz. I installed FC3 on it and it will it runs at 1280x1024 at 72Hz. When I boot it as a thin client the only mode I can get it to run in is 640x480 at 60Hz. I would like to use the xorg.conf from the FC3 install but I can't seem to get it to work. I have it specified in lts.conf and I've put the file in /opt/ltsp/i386, /opt/ltsp/i386/etc, /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/X11, and the /tftpboot/whatever location mentioned in lts.conf.readme. I also made symlinks to it named XF86Config and XF86Config-4 in all of those directories. I'm probably missing something but the thin client seems to not even look for the file. -Nathan From david at okgoodwill.org Mon Mar 21 18:11:22 2005 From: david at okgoodwill.org (David H. Barr) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 12:11:22 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] universal etherboot iso? Message-ID: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E282119F55@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> Around Monday, March 21, 2005 12:03 PM, Les Mikesell (mailto:les at futuresource.com) wrote: > On Mon, 2005-03-21 at 11:49, David H. Barr wrote: >> I don't know about *nix methods, but I use an OEM copy of Nero >> that came bundled with a CDRW I had lying about. Bart >> ( http://www.nu2.nu/bootcd/ ) has a lot to say about the subject... > > I think I have a copy of that at home but there is something about the > floppy that doesn't look like a normal bootable disk. I tried k3b and > Roxio (Windows) and they didn't like it - or I was doing something > wrong. Odd; I use exactly this method to turn my eb2hd and Norton Ghost floppies into bootable CD's. -dhbarr. From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Mar 21 17:52:21 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 09:52:21 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] universal etherboot iso? In-Reply-To: <423F082B.3050004@paasda.org> References: <1111426507.15579.8.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <423F082B.3050004@paasda.org> Message-ID: <423F09D5.2000101@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Hi Huck, I would not mind a copy. It may be useful to include in the default install along with the universal boot floppy... -Eric Huck wrote: > I have a universal boot CD Les, > You want it? I don't use it... > and I found it a year ago, so not sure where I got it. > > --Huck > > > Les Mikesell wrote: > >> Is there a trick to making a CD version of the universal boot floppies >> that have been done containing mulitple etherboot drivers? None of the >> ways that I've tried to use that image to make a bootable CD have >> recognized it as being bootable. >> > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 256 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From gumprechtm at msln.net Mon Mar 21 18:13:28 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 13:13:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] universal etherboot iso? In-Reply-To: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E282119F55@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> References: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E282119F55@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> Message-ID: <423F0EC8.40005@msln.net> I tried bart's way and it worked in practice, but I wanted a bootable Power quest disk image disk for imaging. PQDI wants to write back to the floppy (cd), of course it could not because of being a cd. David H. Barr wrote: >Around Monday, March 21, 2005 12:03 PM, >Les Mikesell (mailto:les at futuresource.com) wrote: > > >>On Mon, 2005-03-21 at 11:49, David H. Barr wrote: >> >> >>>I don't know about *nix methods, but I use an OEM copy of Nero >>>that came bundled with a CDRW I had lying about. Bart >>>( http://www.nu2.nu/bootcd/ ) has a lot to say about the subject... >>> >>> >>I think I have a copy of that at home but there is something about the >>floppy that doesn't look like a normal bootable disk. I tried k3b and >>Roxio (Windows) and they didn't like it - or I was doing something >>wrong. >> >> > >Odd; I use exactly this method to turn my eb2hd and Norton Ghost floppies into bootable CD's. > >-dhbarr. > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From stegil at hotmail.com Mon Mar 21 18:24:43 2005 From: stegil at hotmail.com (steve gilmore) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 13:24:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] universal etherboot iso? References: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E282119F55@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> <423F0EC8.40005@msln.net> Message-ID: Try having the pqdimage load from a ramdisk (copy from bootable cd then launch). Then it could write the temp files. Also look at a linux alternative, Ghost 4 linux ( on freshmeat - http://freshmeat.net/projects/g4l/ ) or Ghost 4 Unix (http://freshmeat.net/projects/g4u/ ). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Gumprecht" To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 1:13 PM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] universal etherboot iso? >I tried bart's way and it worked in practice, but I wanted a bootable Power >quest disk image disk for imaging. PQDI wants to write back to the floppy >(cd), of course it could not because of being a cd. > > David H. Barr wrote: > >>Around Monday, March 21, 2005 12:03 PM, >>Les Mikesell (mailto:les at futuresource.com) wrote: >> >>>On Mon, 2005-03-21 at 11:49, David H. Barr wrote: >>> >>>>I don't know about *nix methods, but I use an OEM copy of Nero >>>>that came bundled with a CDRW I had lying about. Bart >>>>( http://www.nu2.nu/bootcd/ ) has a lot to say about the subject... >>>> >>>I think I have a copy of that at home but there is something about the >>>floppy that doesn't look like a normal bootable disk. I tried k3b and >>>Roxio (Windows) and they didn't like it - or I was doing something >>>wrong. >>> >> >>Odd; I use exactly this method to turn my eb2hd and Norton Ghost floppies >>into bootable CD's. >> >>-dhbarr. >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> > > -- > Mark Gumprecht > Data Systems Specialist > MSAD3 > Unity, ME > gumprechtm at msln.net > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jam at mcquil.com Mon Mar 21 18:26:16 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 13:26:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] How to specify a custom XF86Config In-Reply-To: <2b06a1a05032110057a3eb8da@mail.gmail.com> References: <2b06a1a05032110057a3eb8da@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Nathan, The proper place for the file is /opt/ltsp/i386/etc Can you show me the entry you created in lts.conf for that? Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Mon, 21 Mar 2005, Nathan Sinton wrote: > I'm trying to use a Dell Optiplex 170L as a thin client and it came > with the fussiest monitor I have ever seen. The monitor is a 17 inch > LCD that says it supports 1280x1024 at 60Hz. I installed FC3 on it > and it will it runs at 1280x1024 at 72Hz. When I boot it as a thin > client the only mode I can get it to run in is 640x480 at 60Hz. I > would like to use the xorg.conf from the FC3 install but I can't seem > to get it to work. I have it specified in lts.conf and I've put the > file in /opt/ltsp/i386, /opt/ltsp/i386/etc, /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/X11, > and the /tftpboot/whatever location mentioned in lts.conf.readme. I > also made symlinks to it named XF86Config and XF86Config-4 in all of > those directories. I'm probably missing something but the thin client > seems to not even look for the file. > > -Nathan > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Mon Mar 21 18:33:52 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 12:33:52 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] universal etherboot iso? In-Reply-To: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E282119F55@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> References: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E282119F55@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> Message-ID: <1111430032.15579.22.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2005-03-21 at 12:11, David H. Barr wrote: > > I think I have a copy of that at home but there is something about the > > floppy that doesn't look like a normal bootable disk. I tried k3b and > > Roxio (Windows) and they didn't like it - or I was doing something > > wrong. > > Odd; I use exactly this method to turn my eb2hd and > Norton Ghost floppies into bootable CD's. Yes, it should work in principle but maybe I don't have the same floppy image to start with. What's an eb2hd? The reason I need this is that I have one of those tiny CD-player size PC's with no floppy and it only has 128 Megs of RAM so it isn't good for much else. I do sometimes use it for testing things though, so I want to be able to load other things on the HD. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Mar 21 18:39:22 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 12:39:22 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] How to specify a custom XF86Config In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <007401c52e45$4cbcf440$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Nathan, > > The proper place for the file is /opt/ltsp/i386/etc > > Can you show me the entry you created in lts.conf for that? Be sure in lts.conf you have the Mac address of the custom machine listed and call out the custom file with the XF86CONFIG_FILE directive. Also as Jim M pointed out to me before you have to include the XSERVER directive in order for things to get to the point to load the custom file. So I just put in =ati and it works fine since it will be overridden by the custom file. Then make sure whatever you call the file you put in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ matches the name you use in the lts.conf file. [00:03:93:70:D8:A2] XSERVER = ati XF86CONFIG_FILE = XF86Config-4.custom -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From david at okgoodwill.org Mon Mar 21 18:46:59 2005 From: david at okgoodwill.org (David H. Barr) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 12:46:59 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] universal etherboot iso? Message-ID: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E282119F56@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> Around Monday, March 21, 2005 12:34 PM, Les Mikesell (mailto:les at futuresource.com) wrote: > On Mon, 2005-03-21 at 12:11, David H. Barr wrote: >>> I think I have a copy of that at home but there is something about >>> the floppy that doesn't look like a normal bootable disk. I tried >>> k3b and Roxio (Windows) and they didn't like it - or I was doing >>> something wrong. >> >> Odd; I use exactly this method to turn my eb2hd and >> Norton Ghost floppies into bootable CD's. > image to start with. What's an eb2hd? The reason I need this is [snip] > I want to be able to load other things on the HD. Etherboot to (2) Hard Disk: http://etherboot.anadex.de/ It's what I used to set up my 5-station test lab. I downloaded the floppy image, then used Nero to burn a bootable CD of it. Then I booted each system twice (as per the linked document) and had a 5MB partition on each station's ~3GB 5400 rpm drive that starts the net-boot. I hope to enable local swap in the other 2.9GB at some point in the future. -dhbarr. From nsinton at gmail.com Mon Mar 21 19:05:18 2005 From: nsinton at gmail.com (Nathan Sinton) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 12:05:18 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] How to specify a custom XF86Config In-Reply-To: <007401c52e45$4cbcf440$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <007401c52e45$4cbcf440$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <2b06a1a0503211105469f50cf@mail.gmail.com> Oops! I was using XF86_CONFIG_FILE instead of XF86CONFIG_FILE. The thin client is reading the file now. X still doesn't work but the file probably just needs a few changes. Should the FC3 xorg.conf work out of the box or is X in the terminals somehow different? Sorry for bugging you guys with my stupid mistake but after 3 hours of looking elsewhere I couldn't help myself :) Thanks for the help! -Nathan On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 12:39:22 -0600, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > Nathan, > > > > The proper place for the file is /opt/ltsp/i386/etc > > > > Can you show me the entry you created in lts.conf for that? > > Be sure in lts.conf you have the Mac address of the custom machine > listed and call out the custom file with the XF86CONFIG_FILE directive. > Also as Jim M pointed out to me before you have to include the XSERVER > directive in order for things to get to the point to load the custom > file. So I just put in =ati and it works fine since it will be > overridden by the custom file. Then make sure whatever you call the > file you put in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ matches the name you use in the > lts.conf file. > > [00:03:93:70:D8:A2] > XSERVER = ati > XF86CONFIG_FILE = XF86Config-4.custom > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From gentgeen at linuxmail.org Mon Mar 21 19:34:02 2005 From: gentgeen at linuxmail.org (Kevin Squire) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:34:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT -- Not LTSP, but Linux Scripting Question Message-ID: <20050321143402.1347c8f0@linuxbox> First, I apologize for the OT nature of the post, but I am sure many of you will know / have done something like this. Also, I really did not know where else to post the question. If you know somewhere better, feel free to let me know. :-) The Asst. Prin. has asked me do something very tedious (I did set myself up for it, but I could use the "brownie points"), and I need some help with the script that I am writing to make it less tedious. I have done a fair bit of scripting, but nothing this advanced, so I need some help. Some general info: Each teacher right now has a single MS Word document with every one of his/her students progress reports. (i.e. I have one file called squire_pr.doc that is 116 pgs for 56 students). The AP whats them to be a single document (2 or 3 pgs) per student. He does not care if they stay in .doc format or not, as long as they still look the same. So I have taken my squire_pr.doc and printed it to PDF (squire_pr.pdf) so that I could use a program called pdftk ( http://freshmeat.net/projects/pdftk/ ) and split it up into 116 single page documents (each one called squire_###.pdf). Then I can use the same program to join the appropriate pages back together again (so squire_001.pdf and squire_002.pdf becomes smithJ_04-05_mid.pdf). I want to put together a script that will automate this stuff (to a certain point). The teacher sends me two files, the 1 large pdf file and a text file with student name and the page numbers of the PDF file that make that student's report. Usually it will be 2 pages, but sometimes it will be 3 or maybe even 4. The text file would look something like: smithJ,001,002 mouseM,003,004 gatesW,005,006,007 I have already done the basics on the script -- setting up variables, assigning directories, making sure the correct files exist already, etc. But I don't know how to (1) get the script to read from the text file, (2) verify that the text file has now spaces and all numbers are in ### format (3) assign variable to each field in the text file (4) repeat for every line in the text file. Some info/example/notes from my script: ============================================= $inputfile is the 1 big PDF file $tempdir/$teachername_%03d.pdf part creates a bunch of single PDF's with the name squire_001.pdf, squire_002.pdf, etc. $parsefile is the text file with student names, and page numbers from the PDF that make up there report ========== pdftk $inputfile burst $tempdir/$teachername_%03d.pdf # Now the hard part :-) # Need to read the $parsefile and verify that: # there are no spaces and that all numbers are in ### format # if not just give an error of $prasefile has error (adding a line # number would be nice but not necessary # and then assign the following: # $studentname from field 1 # $stupg1 from field 2 # $stupg2 from field 3 # $stupg3 from field 4 for those that have 4 fields # $stupg4 from field 5 for those that have 5 fields # then run the command 'pdftk INPUTFILES cat output COMBINEDFILE' # for every single line in the text file # where INPUTFILES would be $tempdir/$teachername_$stupgN.pdf where # N could be 1,2,3 or 4 depending on what was found in text file NOTE -- sorry this got so long, I hope it all makes sense. And Thank you in advance for you effort. -- From les at futuresource.com Mon Mar 21 20:02:59 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:02:59 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] universal etherboot iso? In-Reply-To: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E282119F56@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> References: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E282119F56@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> Message-ID: <1111435379.15579.38.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2005-03-21 at 12:46, David H. Barr wrote: > > image to start with. What's an eb2hd? The reason I need this is > > [snip] > > > I want to be able to load other things on the HD. > > Etherboot to (2) Hard Disk: http://etherboot.anadex.de/ It's what I used > to set up my 5-station test lab. I downloaded the floppy image, then used > Nero to burn a bootable CD of it. That worked in terms of k3b accepting it as a boot image and making a bootable iso. However, it wants to install a copy on the HD and all I want to do is netboot directly WDXB2500JBRNNfrom the iso. I think the difference is that the eb2hd floppy image uses freedos/syslinux to boot where the floppy I want to use is just like an etherboot ROM image with no separate loader - and k3b (etc) doesn't like it. I guess I need the etherboot image in a .com file format with a dos framework and autoexec.bat to load it. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Mon Mar 21 21:09:48 2005 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 21:09:48 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] smbldap - Can't delete user (again) Message-ID: <1111439388.6334.5.camel@k12ltsp.harekrishna.school.nz> 1. The system says jay is there but I can't delete him. previously I had deleted his user name and recreate it again. When I tried to login I got about 10 error message windows. Any idea what is happening? [root at k12ltsp ~]# id jay uid=1141(jay) gid=525(students) groups=525(students) [root at k12ltsp ~]# /opt/IDEALX/sbin/smbldap-userdel -r jay /opt/IDEALX/sbin/smbldap-userdel: user jay does not exist 2. There are also problems with case. e.g. I couldn't logon with jay user name. I did #id jay no user found Then I did #id Jay it gave user info then I did #id jay again this time it gave the info. I was able to login with jay. From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Mar 21 20:18:50 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 12:18:50 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] universal etherboot iso? In-Reply-To: <1111435379.15579.38.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E282119F56@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> <1111435379.15579.38.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <423F2C2A.5050507@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Les Mikesell wrote: > On Mon, 2005-03-21 at 12:46, David H. Barr wrote: > > >>>image to start with. What's an eb2hd? The reason I need this is >> >>[snip] >> >> >>>I want to be able to load other things on the HD. >> >>Etherboot to (2) Hard Disk: http://etherboot.anadex.de/ It's what I used >>to set up my 5-station test lab. I downloaded the floppy image, then used >>Nero to burn a bootable CD of it. > > > That worked in terms of k3b accepting it as a boot image and making a > bootable iso. However, it wants to install a copy on the HD and all I > want to do is netboot directly WDXB2500JBRNNfrom the iso. I think the > difference is that the eb2hd floppy image uses freedos/syslinux to boot > where the floppy I want to use is just like an etherboot ROM image with > no separate loader - and k3b (etc) doesn't like it. I guess I need > the etherboot image in a .com file format with a dos framework and > autoexec.bat to load it. > I was rather displeased to see that it wanted to repartion/format my harddrive :-( I rebuilt it to just load etherboot off the iso image. This only works for PCI nics, however, no go for old ISA cards. Still it might be useful to someone. I put my hacked version here: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/eb_pci.iso -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 256 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From nelsda at yahoo.com Mon Mar 21 20:24:22 2005 From: nelsda at yahoo.com (David D. Nelson) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 12:24:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Can't see internet on fresh 4.2.0 install SOLVED In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050321202423.67788.qmail@web51910.mail.yahoo.com> --- Les Mikesell wrote: > On Sun, 2005-03-20 at 17:55, David D. Nelson wrote: > > My ISP gave me a static IP of > > x.x.x.162, a gateway of x.x.x.125 and a subnet > mask of > > 255.255.255.252. > > Something is wrong with those values. A > 255.255.255.252 > netmask gives you 4 addresses with only 2 usable: > .161 and > .162. Your gateway must be within the same subnet > and the > .125 address isn't. Could the netmask have been > 255.255.252.0? > Or could .161 be the gateway? > Since it is working with .125 as the gateway I assume it is ok. Maybe, however, the ISP meant to say my gateway was .161 and I'm using the wrong gateway. I'll have to check into it. Thank you. David D. Nelson nelsda at yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From les at futuresource.com Mon Mar 21 20:41:01 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:41:01 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] universal etherboot iso? In-Reply-To: <423F2C2A.5050507@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E282119F56@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> <1111435379.15579.38.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <423F2C2A.5050507@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1111437661.15579.43.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2005-03-21 at 14:18, Eric Harrison wrote: > I rebuilt it to just load etherboot off the iso image. This only works > for PCI nics, however, no go for old ISA cards. Still it might be useful > to someone. I put my hacked version here: > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/eb_pci.iso > That booted the machine I needed and also worked with everything else I tried including a Dell Latitude laptop with ethernet built in (not a pcmcia card). Thanks! -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From joseph.bishay at gmail.com Mon Mar 21 20:47:43 2005 From: joseph.bishay at gmail.com (The Prof) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:47:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] lts.conf In-Reply-To: References: <423F089D.4070404@paasda.org> <423F0962.8040502@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: Hello, On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 12:56:19 -0500 (EST), Jim McQuillan wrote: > You don't even need to reboot the client, to get it to re-read those > entries. > > After you log out, just hit Ctrl-Alt-Backspace. > > That will kill the Xserver, which will cycle through, and respawn the > startx script, which will re-read the config file, and regenerate the > XF86Config file. You're KIDDING ME! Oh if only I had known....I think I spend most of last year making a single change to lts.conf...rebooting the client...making another change...rebooting the client...I probably spent a WEEK just waiting for the reboots :) That little gem of info has to be added to the lts.conf file comments for the future! Joseph From dhuckaby at paasda.org Mon Mar 21 20:50:33 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 12:50:33 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] lts.conf In-Reply-To: References: <423F089D.4070404@paasda.org> <423F0962.8040502@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <423F3399.3050204@paasda.org> Note to Jo: if you ctrl-alt-backspace.. and you've fubar's the lts.conf settings =) it's a long walk back to the server room! (guess who just did that a few times?) --Huck The Prof wrote: > Hello, > > On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 12:56:19 -0500 (EST), Jim McQuillan wrote: > >>You don't even need to reboot the client, to get it to re-read those >>entries. >> >>After you log out, just hit Ctrl-Alt-Backspace. >> >>That will kill the Xserver, which will cycle through, and respawn the >>startx script, which will re-read the config file, and regenerate the >>XF86Config file. > > > You're KIDDING ME! Oh if only I had known....I think I spend most of > last year making a single change to lts.conf...rebooting the > client...making another change...rebooting the client...I probably > spent a WEEK just waiting for the reboots :) > > That little gem of info has to be added to the lts.conf file comments > for the future! > > Joseph > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From tom.hoffman at gmail.com Mon Mar 21 21:27:58 2005 From: tom.hoffman at gmail.com (Tom Hoffman) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:27:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SchoolTool Installation/Possible Inclusion with K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <423F3A87.1050700@netscape.net> References: <001b01c52a4b$7b847800$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> <92de6c8805031616172ae1b93a@mail.gmail.com> <423F3A87.1050700@netscape.net> Message-ID: <92de6c8805032113273b8ccca8@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:20:07 -0500, norbert wrote: > Hi Eric, > > Does that mean we'll be able to install it with apt-get or yum ???? > > norbert On Ubuntu or Debian you already can. For K12LTSP, we just need to put together the RPM, which shouldn't be hard, since we've already got the .deb package. --Tom From bear2bar at netscape.net Mon Mar 21 21:20:07 2005 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:20:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SchoolTool Installation/Possible Inclusion with K12LTSP In-Reply-To: References: <001b01c52a4b$7b847800$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> <92de6c8805031616172ae1b93a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <423F3A87.1050700@netscape.net> Hi Eric, Does that mean we'll be able to install it with apt-get or yum ???? norbert eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us wrote: > On Wed, 16 Mar 2005, Tom Hoffman wrote: > >> On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 12:33:05 -0500, David Trask >> wrote: >> >>> "Support list for opensource software in schools." >>> on >>> Wednesday, March 16, 2005 at 12:13 PM +0000 wrote: >>> >>>> With the recent discussion of a sort of future partnership with Ubuntu >>>> and the Mark ShuttleWorth foundation, could this possibly be >>>> included as >>>> a built-in software with K12LTSP in a future release? >>> >> >> That's the plan. > > > Yup. > > > >> but not in the core Python RPM, depending on how they do the >> packaging. Now that the SB 1.0 tarball is out we'll have to get Eric >> going on the RPM binary, at which point installation will be that much >> easier. > > > > It took me about five minutes to install on a test server. The only > package I had to add was the python-twisted package, which is included > in the Fedora Extras repository. > > In theory I should a working schooltool package for K12LTSP > real-soon-now. > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From les at futuresource.com Mon Mar 21 21:34:30 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:34:30 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] lts.conf In-Reply-To: <423F3399.3050204@paasda.org> References: <423F089D.4070404@paasda.org> <423F0962.8040502@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <423F3399.3050204@paasda.org> Message-ID: <1111440870.15579.57.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2005-03-21 at 14:50, Huck wrote: > if you ctrl-alt-backspace.. > and you've fubar's the lts.conf settings =) > it's a long walk back to the server room! > > (guess who just did that a few times?) If you are working on X settings you might want to uncomment the SCREEN_02 = shell line in lts.conf. Then you can ctl-alt-f2 to a shell prompt and ssh back to the server to make the fix. It's also handy to look at the client side /var/log/Xorg.0.0.log to see what is going wrong. For security you probably want the line commented out except when you are debugging. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From bear2bar at netscape.net Mon Mar 21 21:51:40 2005 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:51:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SchoolTool Installation/Possible Inclusion with K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <92de6c8805032113273b8ccca8@mail.gmail.com> References: <001b01c52a4b$7b847800$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> <92de6c8805031616172ae1b93a@mail.gmail.com> <423F3A87.1050700@netscape.net> <92de6c8805032113273b8ccca8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <423F41EC.6000807@netscape.net> Hi Tom, Any timeline on that yet ??? I'd love to try it in school & show it to the chair of a university depatment.... norbert tom.hoffman at gmail.com wrote: >On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:20:07 -0500, norbert wrote: > > >>Hi Eric, >> >>Does that mean we'll be able to install it with apt-get or yum ???? >> >>norbert >> >> > >On Ubuntu or Debian you already can. For K12LTSP, we just need to put >together the RPM, which shouldn't be hard, since we've already got the >.deb package. > >--Tom > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 256 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From bear2bar at netscape.net Mon Mar 21 22:48:40 2005 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:48:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SchoolTool Installation/Possible Inclusion with K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <423F4554.5010805@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <001b01c52a4b$7b847800$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> <92de6c8805031616172ae1b93a@mail.gmail.com> <423F3A87.1050700@netscape.net> <92de6c8805032113273b8ccca8@mail.gmail.com> <423F41EC.6000807@netscape.net> <423F4554.5010805@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <423F4F48.7060802@netscape.net> Hi Eric, Will it be on the apt repository for installation ? thks norbert eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us wrote: > norbert wrote: > >> Hi Tom, >> >> Any timeline on that yet ??? I'd love to try it in school & show it to >> the chair of a university depatment.... >> >> norbert > > > Hopefully I'll have a test build ready today. > > -Eric > > >> tom.hoffman at gmail.com wrote: >> >>> On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:20:07 -0500, norbert >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Hi Eric, >>>> >>>> Does that mean we'll be able to install it with apt-get or yum ???? >>>> >>>> norbert >>>> >>> >>> >>> On Ubuntu or Debian you already can. For K12LTSP, we just need to put >>> together the RPM, which shouldn't be hard, since we've already got the >>> .deb package. >>> >>> --Tom >>> >>> >> >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Mar 21 23:12:12 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:12:12 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] SchoolTool Installation/Possible Inclusion with K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <423F4F48.7060802@netscape.net> References: <001b01c52a4b$7b847800$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> <92de6c8805031616172ae1b93a@mail.gmail.com> <423F3A87.1050700@netscape.net> <92de6c8805032113273b8ccca8@mail.gmail.com> <423F41EC.6000807@netscape.net> <423F4554.5010805@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <423F4F48.7060802@netscape.net> Message-ID: <423F54CC.2080108@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> norbert wrote: > Hi Eric, > > Will it be on the apt repository for installation ? > > thks > norbert Nope, I will not add it to the repository until it is ready to unleased on the masses ;-) I'll send out instructions when it is ready to be tested. If you are in a *real* hurry, schooltool can be run without installing it. Download the tarball, unpack it, run "make", and then run "python ./schoolbell-server.py". You don't want to do that for a production box, obviously, but at least it will get the app up and running where you play with it/demo it. -Eric > eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us wrote: > >> norbert wrote: >> >>> Hi Tom, >>> >>> Any timeline on that yet ??? I'd love to try it in school & show it to >>> the chair of a university depatment.... >>> >>> norbert >> >> >> >> Hopefully I'll have a test build ready today. >> >> -Eric >> >> >>> tom.hoffman at gmail.com wrote: >>> >>>> On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:20:07 -0500, norbert >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi Eric, >>>>> >>>>> Does that mean we'll be able to install it with apt-get or yum ???? >>>>> >>>>> norbert >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Ubuntu or Debian you already can. 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I found a video driver that gives these 3 options for downloading.. want to make sure I get the right one... hoping to get rid of some LCD funkiness --Huck From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Mar 22 01:25:52 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:25:52 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] First test packages for SchoolBell Message-ID: <423F7420.2060609@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> For those of you interested in giving SchoolBell (http://www.schooltool.org) a spin, I have uploaded test packages: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/schoolbell-1.0-1.k12ltsp.0.4.2.i386.rpm ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/python-twisted-1.3.0-2.k12ltsp.0.4.2.i386.rpm This package uses the SchoolBell defaults. After you install, be sure to log in and change the default password. http://localhost:7080 username: manager password: schoolbell -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Here is what is presented to anyone trying to login on port 22: FIRST PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH LIBRARY Password Login = Disabled Permission denied (publickey). I have considered changing to a non-standard port, but I suspect that a simple portscan would quickly discover it and the attempts would continue. My /var/log/secure files are filling up fast with these repeated breakin attempts. I have done a whois on several of the addresses. Most seem to be coming from Taiwan and other places in Asia. Is there some way to stop this infernal nuisance? RevCurmudgeon From haynest at mchsi.com Tue Mar 22 01:34:57 2005 From: haynest at mchsi.com (Thomas E. Haynes) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 20:34:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] How do I stop attempted logins In-Reply-To: <1111454831.3688.23.camel@harpo.curmudgeon.not> Message-ID: <200503220208.j2M28q5H001719@mx3.redhat.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Dr. Daniel Loomis > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 8:27 PM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] How do I stop attempted logins --snip-- > > I have considered changing to a non-standard port, but I > suspect that a simple portscan would quickly discover it and > the attempts would continue. > > My /var/log/secure files are filling up fast with these > repeated breakin attempts. I have done a whois on several of > the addresses. Most seem to be coming from Taiwan and other > places in Asia. > I vote for changing to a nonstandard port. These login attempts are scripted, and they are not scanning ports. The odd port would not slow down a determined cracker, but you are dealing with the irritation of script kiddies. My 2 cents... Tom From bear2bar at netscape.net Tue Mar 22 02:56:12 2005 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 21:56:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] First test packages for SchoolBell In-Reply-To: <423F7420.2060609@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <423F7420.2060609@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <423F894C.20708@netscape.net> Hi Eric, Pardon my dumb question, but after running the rpm's is there anything else needed ? When I run http://localhost:7080 I get connection refused. No iptables or other firewall ideas..... thks norbert eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us wrote: > > For those of you interested in giving SchoolBell > (http://www.schooltool.org) a spin, I have uploaded test packages: > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/schoolbell-1.0-1.k12ltsp.0.4.2.i386.rpm > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/python-twisted-1.3.0-2.k12ltsp.0.4.2.i386.rpm > > > This package uses the SchoolBell defaults. After you install, be sure to > log in and change the default password. > > http://localhost:7080 > > username: manager > password: schoolbell > > > -Eric > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From microman at cmosnetworks.com Tue Mar 22 03:12:51 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 22:12:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] How do I stop attempted logins In-Reply-To: <1111454831.3688.23.camel@harpo.curmudgeon.not> References: <1111454831.3688.23.camel@harpo.curmudgeon.not> Message-ID: <423F8D33.3040101@cmosnetworks.com> Yes, there is. I get this all the time as well. What you do is simply do a whois on those IP addresses to find the provider associated with them. Since they're coming from Asia, it is safe to just use iptables to block those entire subnets to your server...unless you actually have a business need for someone from Asia to be ssh'ing to your box. :-) Most of the providers over there are using /16's, and so a few iptables rules are quite sufficient to block a bunch of them in one fell swoop. Sometimes you can combine more than one provider's IP address range in a single iptables rule. I do this at home with very good results; my logs are filling up considerably more slowly than before. --TP Dr. Daniel Loomis wrote: >I have remote access setup for our server so I can transfer files, check >logs, and do maintenance from home. I have it setup using a >public/private key-pair, with password login disabled. Root logins are >also disabled. I have it setup to only allow one non-privileged user in >the /etc/ssh/sshd_config file. > >No login prompt is ever presented to the outside world on port 22. >However, I still get hundreds of attempts each day from automated probes >usually at intervals of 1-2 seconds. None have been able to breakin >since I do not accept password logins. Here is what is presented to >anyone trying to login on port 22: > > FIRST PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH LIBRARY > Password Login = Disabled > Permission denied (publickey). > > >I have considered changing to a non-standard port, but I suspect that a >simple portscan would quickly discover it and the attempts would >continue. > >My /var/log/secure files are filling up fast with these repeated breakin >attempts. I have done a whois on several of the addresses. Most seem >to be coming from Taiwan and other places in Asia. > >Is there some way to stop this infernal nuisance? > >RevCurmudgeon > > > > From tom.hoffman at gmail.com Tue Mar 22 03:16:41 2005 From: tom.hoffman at gmail.com (Tom Hoffman) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 22:16:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] First test packages for SchoolBell In-Reply-To: <423F7420.2060609@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <423F7420.2060609@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <92de6c8805032119162aa28b5a@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:25:52 -0800, Eric Harrison wrote: > > For those of you interested in giving SchoolBell > (http://www.schooltool.org) a spin, I have uploaded test packages: Great! Thanks Eric. > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/schoolbell-1.0-1.k12ltsp.0.4.2.i386.rpm > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/python-twisted-1.3.0-2.k12ltsp.0.4.2.i386.rpm You shouldn't need Twisted at all for this release or future SchoolTool/SchoolBell releases. --Tom From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Tue Mar 22 03:23:15 2005 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 11:23:15 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] prelink In-Reply-To: <423E9640.1020300@on.net.mk> References: <423E9640.1020300@on.net.mk> Message-ID: <1111461795.6341.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2005-03-21 at 10:39 +0100, Petar Dimitrijevic wrote: > Hi, > > If you had previous experience with Windows and its prefetch folder you > already know what prelink is. If not, it is an service that speeds up > application startup by prelinking it against libraries on the system, > thus creating and modifying an application image. The system will work > with out it enabled, but slower startup times of applications are > expected, which doesn't really matter in the KLTSP case, because > prelinking is to be used on workstations primarily. Also some > applications, like wine cedega cannot run if prelinking is on. > > Prelinking is included with Fedora Core since V2. > > You should search the net on how to disable the prelinking, because, not > only the cron job should be removed. I think that there was an > configuration file that should be modified as well. > > Best regards, > Petar Dimitrijevic > Thanks for the info. Yes a did a little reading on prelink and saw Jim's advice that it was nothing to do with IceWM. Funny that me seeing it just coincided with trying IceWM instead of KDE. You have given extra info about i that I didn't have, thanks. The PC in question doubles duty as a workstation most of the time until it's needed as an LTSP server when the family logon to use clients in other rooms for a home LTSP network. So probably useful to leave prelink in place - I'll just change the cron to run at a time of day I will definitely be asleep and the CPU slug will be unnoticed :-) Regards, Gavin From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Mar 22 03:34:26 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:34:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] First test packages for SchoolBell In-Reply-To: <423F894C.20708@netscape.net> References: <423F7420.2060609@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <423F894C.20708@netscape.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 21 Mar 2005, norbert wrote: > Hi Eric, > > Pardon my dumb question, but after running the rpm's is there anything else > needed ? When I run http://localhost:7080 I get connection refused. > No iptables or other firewall > > ideas..... You need to start the service.... /sbin/service schoolbell start and if you want it startup everytime you boot: /sbin/chkconfig schoolbell on -Eric -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Mar 22 03:49:58 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:49:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] First test packages for SchoolBell In-Reply-To: <92de6c8805032119162aa28b5a@mail.gmail.com> References: <423F7420.2060609@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <92de6c8805032119162aa28b5a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 21 Mar 2005, Tom Hoffman wrote: > You shouldn't need Twisted at all for this release or future > SchoolTool/SchoolBell releases. I didn't actually try running it without Twisted. Setup.py looks for it (print >> sys.stderr, ("%s: apparently you do not have Twisted installed.") so I assumed it was still needed. But it does indeed run fine without it. I'll rebuild the package without the extra dependancy... -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Mar 22 05:41:54 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 21:41:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Second SchoolBell test package Message-ID: The test SchoolBell package I posted earlier today had some (most) of the files in the wrong place, an uneeded dependancy, and was missing the documentation. I cleaned all of that up and uploaded the fixed package: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/schoolbell-1.0-1.k12ltsp.1.4.2.i386.rpm -Eric From hick518 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 22 11:11:33 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 03:11:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] How to specify a custom XF86Config In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050322111133.93580.qmail@web41628.mail.yahoo.com> Just for your information... I was told that on an lcd monitor the refresh rate does not matter, because the circuitry in the monitor converts it to 60 Hz anyway. It's got something to do with the way lcd's produce their displays. Anyway, that's what I was told and others here can feel free to correct me if it's wrong. I'm just letting you know so you don't worry too much about your refresh rate. -Rob --- Nathan Sinton wrote: > I'm trying to use a Dell Optiplex 170L as a thin > client and it came > with the fussiest monitor I have ever seen. The > monitor is a 17 inch > LCD that says it supports 1280x1024 at 60Hz. I > installed FC3 on it > and it will it runs at 1280x1024 at 72Hz. When I > boot it as a thin > client the only mode I can get it to run in is > 640x480 at 60Hz. I > would like to use the xorg.conf from the FC3 install > but I can't seem > to get it to work. I have it specified in lts.conf > and I've put the > file in /opt/ltsp/i386, /opt/ltsp/i386/etc, > /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/X11, > and the /tftpboot/whatever location mentioned in > lts.conf.readme. I > also made symlinks to it named XF86Config and > XF86Config-4 in all of > those directories. I'm probably missing something > but the thin client > seems to not even look for the file. > > -Nathan > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From hick518 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 22 11:28:07 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 03:28:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] How do I stop attempted logins In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050322112807.89234.qmail@web41605.mail.yahoo.com> I do something similar at home. I do not allow ssh attempts from anywhere except for a few blocks of IP addresses that I specifically define. In your case, find out your current public IP address at home. Enter it into the dialog box at this site: www.checkdomain.com It will tell you your ISP's name and what blocks of IP addresses they own. Simply allow ssh attempts from that block of IP addresses and you know you will always be allowed access to your server, even if your dynamic IP address at home changes. -Rob --- "Terrell Prud?, Jr." wrote: > Yes, there is. I get this all the time as well. > > What you do is simply do a whois on those IP > addresses to find the > provider associated with them. Since they're coming > from Asia, it is > safe to just use iptables to block those entire > subnets to your > server...unless you actually have a business need > for someone from Asia > to be ssh'ing to your box. :-) Most of the > providers over there are > using /16's, and so a few iptables rules are quite > sufficient to block a > bunch of them in one fell swoop. Sometimes you can > combine more than > one provider's IP address range in a single iptables > rule. I do this at > home with very good results; my logs are filling up > considerably more > slowly than before. > > --TP > > Dr. Daniel Loomis wrote: > > >I have remote access setup for our server so I can > transfer files, check > >logs, and do maintenance from home. I have it > setup using a > >public/private key-pair, with password login > disabled. Root logins are > >also disabled. I have it setup to only allow one > non-privileged user in > >the /etc/ssh/sshd_config file. > > > >No login prompt is ever presented to the outside > world on port 22. > >However, I still get hundreds of attempts each day > from automated probes > >usually at intervals of 1-2 seconds. None have > been able to breakin > >since I do not accept password logins. Here is > what is presented to > >anyone trying to login on port 22: > > > > FIRST PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH LIBRARY > > Password Login = Disabled > > Permission denied (publickey). > > > > > >I have considered changing to a non-standard port, > but I suspect that a > >simple portscan would quickly discover it and the > attempts would > >continue. > > > >My /var/log/secure files are filling up fast with > these repeated breakin > >attempts. I have done a whois on several of the > addresses. Most seem > >to be coming from Taiwan and other places in Asia. > > > >Is there some way to stop this infernal nuisance? > > > >RevCurmudgeon > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From hick518 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 22 11:35:50 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 03:35:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] SCREEN_02 = rdesktop -- should it work? Message-ID: <20050322113550.21560.qmail@web41609.mail.yahoo.com> I tried setting lts.conf with something like the following: SCREEN_02 = remote.server.com After the "hit to log in" screen, I get a message something like "could not resolve remote.server.com". If I replace the url with the IP address, it works fine. Am I doing something wrong, or is this just the way it works? To be clear, remote.server.com is not on the LAN, but is accessed via the internet. -Rob __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From hick518 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 22 11:44:51 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 03:44:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] DPORT-1067 is being ignored Message-ID: <20050322114451.18233.qmail@web41624.mail.yahoo.com> I'm trying to get dhcp running on port 1067. This is on my home system running Mandrake with ltsp on top. Here are the pertinent lines from my dhcpd.conf file: option option-128 code 128 = string; option option-129 code 129 = text; option option-128 "e4:45:74:68:00:00"; option option-129 "DPORT=1067"; I've tried placing them in different sections of that file, but currently they're in the top section, which I believe are the global settings. In Mandrake, I have to edit /etc/rc.d/init.d/dhcpd in order to tell dhcpd to run on port 1067. I've done that. When the client attempts to boot, it gets a kernel (I think that's what it's doing) but it gets stuck later on and tells me that it's searching for a dhcp server on port 67. Seems like option 128 and 129 have not successfully been passed to the kernel. So I revert back to port 67 by editing /etc/rc.d/init.d/dhcpd, but I forgot to comment out the above lines from lts.conf. What do you know, the client boots fine (on port 67). So again, it seems like option 128 and 129 are not being passed to the kernel. What have I done wrong? I'm out of ideas. -Rob __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From cliebow at downeast.net Tue Mar 22 11:58:32 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 11:58:32 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] DPORT-1067 is being ignored Message-ID: <200503221054.j2MAsZ800473@downeast.net> what you have looks fine..hers mine see the quotes om option 128?that may be the prob.. option option-128 code 128=string; option option-129 code 129=text; option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; option option-129 "DPORT=1001"; you do have a kernel new enough to recognize thhat option??chucjk > I'm trying to get dhcp running on port 1067. This is > on my home system running Mandrake with ltsp on top. > Here are the pertinent lines from my dhcpd.conf file: > > option option-128 code 128 = string; > option option-129 code 129 = text; > option option-128 "e4:45:74:68:00:00"; > option option-129 "DPORT=1067"; > > I've tried placing them in different sections of that > file, but currently they're in the top section, which > I believe are the global settings. > > In Mandrake, I have to edit /etc/rc.d/init.d/dhcpd in > order to tell dhcpd to run on port 1067. I've done > that. > > When the client attempts to boot, it gets a kernel (I > think that's what it's doing) but it gets stuck later > on and tells me that it's searching for a dhcp server > on port 67. Seems like option 128 and 129 have not > successfully been passed to the kernel. > > So I revert back to port 67 by editing > /etc/rc.d/init.d/dhcpd, but I forgot to comment out > the above lines from lts.conf. What do you know, the > client boots fine (on port 67). So again, it seems > like option 128 and 129 are not being passed to the > kernel. > > What have I done wrong? I'm out of ideas. > > -Rob > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From cliebow at downeast.net Tue Mar 22 12:01:10 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 12:01:10 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] DPORT-1067 is being ignored Message-ID: <200503221057.j2MAvE800792@downeast.net> optio 129 i mean 8~) > what you have looks fine..hers mine > > see the quotes om option 128?that may be the prob.. > > option option-128 code 128=string; > option option-129 code 129=text; > option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; > option option-129 "DPORT=1001"; > > you do have a kernel new enough to recognize thhat option??chucjk > > > I'm trying to get dhcp running on port 1067. This is > > on my home system running Mandrake with ltsp on top. > > Here are the pertinent lines from my dhcpd.conf file: > > > > option option-128 code 128 = string; > > option option-129 code 129 = text; > > option option-128 "e4:45:74:68:00:00"; > > option option-129 "DPORT=1067"; > > > > I've tried placing them in different sections of that > > file, but currently they're in the top section, which > > I believe are the global settings. > > > > In Mandrake, I have to edit /etc/rc.d/init.d/dhcpd in > > order to tell dhcpd to run on port 1067. I've done > > that. > > > > When the client attempts to boot, it gets a kernel (I > > think that's what it's doing) but it gets stuck later > > on and tells me that it's searching for a dhcp server > > on port 67. Seems like option 128 and 129 have not > > successfully been passed to the kernel. > > > > So I revert back to port 67 by editing > > /etc/rc.d/init.d/dhcpd, but I forgot to comment out > > the above lines from lts.conf. What do you know, the > > client boots fine (on port 67). So again, it seems > > like option 128 and 129 are not being passed to the > > kernel. > > > > What have I done wrong? I'm out of ideas. > > > > -Rob > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From jam at mcquil.com Tue Mar 22 13:41:42 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 08:41:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] SCREEN_02 = rdesktop -- should it work? In-Reply-To: <20050322113550.21560.qmail@web41609.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050322113550.21560.qmail@web41609.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Rob, By default, the thin client doesn't know about a dns nameserver. You need to give it one in the lts.conf file, like this: DNS_SERVER = I know it really should use the nameserver handed out by dhcpd, but currently, it doesn't. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Tue, 22 Mar 2005, Rob Owens wrote: > I tried setting lts.conf with something like the > following: > > SCREEN_02 = remote.server.com > > After the "hit to log in" screen, I get a > message something like "could not resolve > remote.server.com". If I replace the url with the IP > address, it works fine. Am I doing something wrong, > or is this just the way it works? > > To be clear, remote.server.com is not on the LAN, but > is accessed via the internet. > > -Rob > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jam at mcquil.com Tue Mar 22 13:43:49 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 08:43:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] DPORT-1067 is being ignored In-Reply-To: <20050322114451.18233.qmail@web41624.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050322114451.18233.qmail@web41624.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Rob, Are you using Etherboot or PXE ? Those options are correct for Etherboot, but they won't work with PXE. Also, the value for option-128 should NOT be surrounded by quotes. It should just be: option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; I don't know if it would cause a problem to have quotes. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Tue, 22 Mar 2005, Rob Owens wrote: > I'm trying to get dhcp running on port 1067. This is > on my home system running Mandrake with ltsp on top. > Here are the pertinent lines from my dhcpd.conf file: > > option option-128 code 128 = string; > option option-129 code 129 = text; > option option-128 "e4:45:74:68:00:00"; > option option-129 "DPORT=1067"; > > I've tried placing them in different sections of that > file, but currently they're in the top section, which > I believe are the global settings. > > In Mandrake, I have to edit /etc/rc.d/init.d/dhcpd in > order to tell dhcpd to run on port 1067. I've done > that. > > When the client attempts to boot, it gets a kernel (I > think that's what it's doing) but it gets stuck later > on and tells me that it's searching for a dhcp server > on port 67. Seems like option 128 and 129 have not > successfully been passed to the kernel. > > So I revert back to port 67 by editing > /etc/rc.d/init.d/dhcpd, but I forgot to comment out > the above lines from lts.conf. What do you know, the > client boots fine (on port 67). So again, it seems > like option 128 and 129 are not being passed to the > kernel. > > What have I done wrong? I'm out of ideas. > > -Rob > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From david at okgoodwill.org Tue Mar 22 13:57:05 2005 From: david at okgoodwill.org (David H. Barr) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 07:57:05 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] universal etherboot iso? Message-ID: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E282119F58@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> Around Monday, March 21, 2005 2:19 PM, Eric Harrison (mailto:eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us) wrote: > Les Mikesell wrote: >> On Mon, 2005-03-21 at 12:46, David H. Barr wrote: >>>> image to start with. What's an eb2hd? The reason I need this is >>> [snip] >>>> I want to be able to load other things on the HD. >>> >>> Etherboot to (2) Hard Disk: http://etherboot.anadex.de/ It's what >>> I used to set up my 5-station test lab. I downloaded the floppy >>> image, then used Nero to burn a bootable CD of it. >> >> I want to do is netboot directly WDXB2500JBRNNfrom the iso. I think >> the difference is that the eb2hd floppy image uses freedos/syslinux >> to boot where the floppy I want to use is just like an etherboot ROM > I was rather displeased to see that it wanted to repartion/format my > harddrive :-( Err, isn't that rather the -point- of the eb2hd project? Couldn't you just use the boot.iso for the purpose you describe? Sorry if I didn't make myself clear; Etherboot to Hard Disk takes umm... etherboot and some NIC detectig code and err... puts it on the hard disk. :D Regards, -dhbarr. From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Mar 22 14:08:50 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 08:08:50 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Second SchoolBell test package In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003501c52ee8$ac2bf720$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > I cleaned all of that up and uploaded the fixed package: > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/schoolbell-1.0-1. k12ltsp.1.4.2.i386.rpm Nice work Eric. I installed this in about 1 minute total...and it works! I understand this is only a groupware style calendar at this point but this will become increasingly useful when more features are added if it is included with K12LTSP. And if it is included hopefully most will standardize on using this software which will make our support community stronger. Thanks -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Mar 22 14:09:51 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 09:09:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Unversal boot disk image path on 4.2....can anyone give it to me? Message-ID: Hi guys, I don't have a working 4.2 server in front of me....and I'm trying to give a newbie some instructions on setting up a server and creating boot disks. Can anyone give me the exact path of the Universal boot disk image so I can give her the command to make a boot disk? cd /path/to/Universal/boot/image cat imagename.lzdsk > /dev/fd0 thanks! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Mar 22 14:21:42 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 08:21:42 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Unversal boot disk image path on 4.2....can anyone give itto me? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003601c52eea$782df570$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > I don't have a working 4.2 server in front of me....and I'm > trying to give a newbie some instructions on setting up a > server and creating boot disks. Can anyone give me the exact > path of the Universal boot disk image so I can give her the > command to make a boot disk? > > cd /path/to/Universal/boot/image > cat imagename.lzdsk > /dev/fd0 >From what I can see it is cd /tftpboot/lts/boot/bootroms/Universal_Boot_Floppy.dsk cat Universal_Boot_Floppy.dsk > /dev/fd0 I haven't used this one specifically but I think it is what you are looking for. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From hick518 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 22 14:34:59 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 06:34:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] DPORT-1067 is being ignored In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050322143459.89603.qmail@web41607.mail.yahoo.com> I'll remove the quotes and try it out tonight. I'll report back, because I know at least one other person on the list has been having this same problem. I'm using Etherboot and I believe the newest kernel. -Rob --- Jim McQuillan wrote: > Rob, > > Are you using Etherboot or PXE ? > > Those options are correct for Etherboot, but they > won't work with PXE. > > Also, the value for option-128 should NOT be > surrounded by quotes. > > It should just be: > > option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; > > > I don't know if it would cause a problem to have > quotes. > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > On Tue, 22 Mar 2005, Rob Owens wrote: > > > I'm trying to get dhcp running on port 1067. This > is > > on my home system running Mandrake with ltsp on > top. > > Here are the pertinent lines from my dhcpd.conf > file: > > > > option option-128 code 128 = string; > > option option-129 code 129 = text; > > option option-128 "e4:45:74:68:00:00"; > > option option-129 "DPORT=1067"; > > > > I've tried placing them in different sections of > that > > file, but currently they're in the top section, > which > > I believe are the global settings. > > > > In Mandrake, I have to edit /etc/rc.d/init.d/dhcpd > in > > order to tell dhcpd to run on port 1067. I've > done > > that. > > > > When the client attempts to boot, it gets a kernel > (I > > think that's what it's doing) but it gets stuck > later > > on and tells me that it's searching for a dhcp > server > > on port 67. Seems like option 128 and 129 have > not > > successfully been passed to the kernel. > > > > So I revert back to port 67 by editing > > /etc/rc.d/init.d/dhcpd, but I forgot to comment > out > > the above lines from lts.conf. What do you know, > the > > client boots fine (on port 67). So again, it > seems > > like option 128 and 129 are not being passed to > the > > kernel. > > > > What have I done wrong? I'm out of ideas. > > > > -Rob > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources > site! > > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From petre at maltzen.net Tue Mar 22 14:44:01 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 08:44:01 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] OT -- Not LTSP, but Linux Scripting Question In-Reply-To: <20050321143402.1347c8f0@linuxbox> References: <20050321143402.1347c8f0@linuxbox> Message-ID: <42402F31.3040504@maltzen.net> I suggest you create two scripts: one to check the text file for any errors--spaces, non-three digit numbers, whatever--and the other to actually do the pdftk stuff once you have a clean text file. I do alot of this kind of stuff and I've found that it is much more efficient to make sure you've got a clean file to work with, fix any problems beforehand, and then do your 'batch' process, than it is to try to write one script that will do merging for 50 lines, discover a problem, skip that line but be able to tell you it had a problem, or bail/die, in which case you have to fix the problem, start all over with the merging except you don't want to do the lines that you got through successfully on the first run, so you have to figure out where the error was... and so on; you get the idea. So, with that in mind, I wrote two quick & dirty perl scripts that should do most of what you want. It could probably be done in a shell script, but it would be harder (which is how perl came about). Script 1 looks for errors in the text file, as you described: #!/usr/bin/perl -w # script written for Keven Squire on the K12LTSP list # make sure no lines have any spaces $errors = 0; while (<>) { chomp; if ($_ =~ / /) { # check for spaces print "$_ has a space in it\n"; $errors++; } (@array) = split(',',$_); for ($i=1; $i <= $#array; $i++) { if (length($array[$i]) != 3) { # check for numbers that aren't 3 digits print "Field $i on line $_ is not three digits\n"; $errors++; } } # Uncomment the next line if you want to display a running tally of the errors # print "Errors is $errors\n"; } ($errors > 0) && print "There were $errors errors\n"; ########### end script1 ################ Run this against your text file ('script1 textfile.txt') and it will tell you of any errors it finds and where. You could put in a line counter to make locating the errors a bit easier to get to. Fix the errors, run this script again, and repeat until you get no errors. Then run script 2: #!/usr/bin/perl -w while (<>) { $sourcefiles = ""; chomp; (@array) = split(',',$_); for ($i=1; $i <= $#array; $i++) { $sourcefiles = $sourcefiles." ".$array[0]."_.".$i."pdf"; } print "The input string will be $sourcefiles\n"; # system("/path/to/pdftk $sourcefiles cat output $array[0].pdf"); } For each line in the text file, this will split up the fields, create the pdf file names, and put it all into one string for use with the pdftk command. I have the last line commented out because you should do a dry run with this first to make sure the $sourcefiles string will be what you want. I don't have pdftk so I couldn't really test it, but the print command on the penultimate line will show what will be passed to pdftk. HTH Petre Kevin Squire wrote: > First, I apologize for the OT nature of the post, but I am sure many of > you will know / have done something like this. Also, I really did not > know where else to post the question. If you know somewhere better, > feel free to let me know. :-) > > The Asst. Prin. has asked me do something very tedious (I did set myself > up for it, but I could use the "brownie points"), and I need some help > with the script that I am writing to make it less tedious. I have done > a fair bit of scripting, but nothing this advanced, so I need some help. > > Some general info: Each teacher right now has a single MS Word document > with every one of his/her students progress reports. (i.e. I have one > file called squire_pr.doc that is 116 pgs for 56 students). The AP > whats them to be a single document (2 or 3 pgs) per student. He does not > care if they stay in .doc format or not, as long as they still look the > same. > > So I have taken my squire_pr.doc and printed it to PDF (squire_pr.pdf) > so that I could use a program called pdftk ( > http://freshmeat.net/projects/pdftk/ ) and split it up into 116 single > page documents (each one called squire_###.pdf). Then I can use the same > program to join the appropriate pages back together again (so > squire_001.pdf and squire_002.pdf becomes smithJ_04-05_mid.pdf). > > I want to put together a script that will automate this stuff (to a > certain point). The teacher sends me two files, the 1 large pdf file > and a text file with student name and the page numbers of the PDF file > that make that student's report. Usually it will be 2 pages, but > sometimes it will be 3 or maybe even 4. The text file would look > something like: > > smithJ,001,002 > mouseM,003,004 > gatesW,005,006,007 > > I have already done the basics on the script -- setting up variables, > assigning directories, making sure the correct files exist already, etc. > But I don't know how to (1) get the script to read from the text file, > (2) verify that the text file has now spaces and all numbers are in ### > format (3) assign variable to each field in the text file (4) repeat for > every line in the text file. > > Some info/example/notes from my script: > ============================================= > $inputfile is the 1 big PDF file > $tempdir/$teachername_%03d.pdf part creates a bunch of single PDF's > with the name squire_001.pdf, squire_002.pdf, etc. > $parsefile is the text file with student names, and page numbers > from the PDF that make up there report > ========== > pdftk $inputfile burst $tempdir/$teachername_%03d.pdf > > # Now the hard part :-) > # Need to read the $parsefile and verify that: > # there are no spaces and that all numbers are in ### format > # if not just give an error of $prasefile has error (adding a line > # number would be nice but not necessary > # and then assign the following: > # $studentname from field 1 > # $stupg1 from field 2 > # $stupg2 from field 3 > # $stupg3 from field 4 for those that have 4 fields > # $stupg4 from field 5 for those that have 5 fields > > # then run the command 'pdftk INPUTFILES cat output COMBINEDFILE' > # for every single line in the text file > # where INPUTFILES would be $tempdir/$teachername_$stupgN.pdf where > # N could be 1,2,3 or 4 depending on what was found in text file > > NOTE -- sorry this got so long, I hope it all makes sense. And Thank > you in advance for you effort. > > From petre at maltzen.net Tue Mar 22 14:49:13 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 08:49:13 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] How do I stop attempted logins In-Reply-To: <200503220208.j2M28q5H001719@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200503220208.j2M28q5H001719@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <42403069.4010406@maltzen.net> I second the suggestion to just use a non-standard port. Last fall some friends and I all noticed this same thing on our various boxes. The attempts, which seemed to come largely from SE Asia, suggested some new script-kiddie rootkit was making the rounds. Anyway, the attempts were all failing but were filling up the log files. So, we all moved to ports such as 922 or 2322 or whatever (something *somewhat* easy to remember) and the log files have been quiet ever since. Petre Thomas E. Haynes wrote: > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com >>[mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Dr. Daniel Loomis >>Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 8:27 PM >>To: k12osn at redhat.com >>Subject: [K12OSN] How do I stop attempted logins > > > --snip-- > > >>I have considered changing to a non-standard port, but I >>suspect that a simple portscan would quickly discover it and >>the attempts would continue. >> >>My /var/log/secure files are filling up fast with these >>repeated breakin attempts. I have done a whois on several of >>the addresses. Most seem to be coming from Taiwan and other >>places in Asia. >> > > > I vote for changing to a nonstandard port. These login attempts are > scripted, and they are not scanning ports. The odd port would not slow down > a determined cracker, but you are dealing with the irritation of script > kiddies. > > My 2 cents... Tom > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From cliebow at downeast.net Tue Mar 22 15:01:17 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 15:01:17 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Unversal boot disk image path on 4.2....can anyone give Message-ID: <200503221357.j2MDvE827231@downeast.net> with those image files i switched to dd dd if=/path/to/Universal/bootimage of=/dev/fd0 some people were getting quirky results with cat a while ago.. chuck > > I don't have a working 4.2 server in front of me....and I'm > > trying to give a newbie some instructions on setting up a > > server and creating boot disks. Can anyone give me the exact > > path of the Universal boot disk image so I can give her the > > command to make a boot disk? > > > > cd /path/to/Universal/boot/image > > cat imagename.lzdsk > /dev/fd0 > > >From what I can see it is > > cd /tftpboot/lts/boot/bootroms/Universal_Boot_Floppy.dsk > cat Universal_Boot_Floppy.dsk > /dev/fd0 > > I haven't used this one specifically but I think it is what you are > looking for. > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From cliebow at downeast.net Tue Mar 22 15:04:36 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 15:04:36 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] How do I stop attempted logins Message-ID: <200503221400.j2ME0c827756@downeast.net> we captured the script out at Cave Hill whne they found a trivial account if anyone is interested..it looks at the cpu type to see what it can get away with and starts multiple probes for other vulnerable machines..and sends results back to nothership..chuck > I second the suggestion to just use a non-standard port. Last fall some friends and I > all noticed this same thing on our various boxes. The attempts, which seemed to come > largely from SE Asia, suggested some new script-kiddie rootkit was making the rounds. > Anyway, the attempts were all failing but were filling up the log files. So, we all > moved to ports such as 922 or 2322 or whatever (something *somewhat* easy to remember) > and the log files have been quiet ever since. > > Petre > > Thomas E. Haynes wrote: > > > > > > > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > >>[mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Dr. Daniel Loomis > >>Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 8:27 PM > >>To: k12osn at redhat.com > >>Subject: [K12OSN] How do I stop attempted logins > > > > > > --snip-- > > > > > >>I have considered changing to a non-standard port, but I > >>suspect that a simple portscan would quickly discover it and > >>the attempts would continue. > >> > >>My /var/log/secure files are filling up fast with these > >>repeated breakin attempts. I have done a whois on several of > >>the addresses. Most seem to be coming from Taiwan and other > >>places in Asia. > >> > > > > > > I vote for changing to a nonstandard port. These login attempts are > > scripted, and they are not scanning ports. The odd port would not slow down > > a determined cracker, but you are dealing with the irritation of script > > kiddies. > > > > My 2 cents... Tom > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From cliebow at downeast.net Tue Mar 22 15:07:28 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 15:07:28 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] How do I stop attempted logins Message-ID: <200503221403.j2ME3V828229@downeast.net> we captured the script out at Cave Hill whne they found a trivial account if anyone is interested..it looks at the cpu type to see what it can get away with and starts multiple probes for other vulnerable machines..and sends results back to nothership..chuck > I second the suggestion to just use a non-standard port. Last fall some friends and I > all noticed this same thing on our various boxes. The attempts, which seemed to come > largely from SE Asia, suggested some new script-kiddie rootkit was making the rounds. > Anyway, the attempts were all failing but were filling up the log files. So, we all > moved to ports such as 922 or 2322 or whatever (something *somewhat* easy to remember) > and the log files have been quiet ever since. > > Petre > > Thomas E. Haynes wrote: > > > > > > > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > >>[mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Dr. Daniel Loomis > >>Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 8:27 PM > >>To: k12osn at redhat.com > >>Subject: [K12OSN] How do I stop attempted logins > > > > > > --snip-- > > > > > >>I have considered changing to a non-standard port, but I > >>suspect that a simple portscan would quickly discover it and > >>the attempts would continue. > >> > >>My /var/log/secure files are filling up fast with these > >>repeated breakin attempts. I have done a whois on several of > >>the addresses. Most seem to be coming from Taiwan and other > >>places in Asia. > >> > > > > > > I vote for changing to a nonstandard port. These login attempts are > > scripted, and they are not scanning ports. The odd port would not slow down > > a determined cracker, but you are dealing with the irritation of script > > kiddies. > > > > My 2 cents... Tom > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From swift at msad52.k12.me.us Tue Mar 22 15:40:43 2005 From: swift at msad52.k12.me.us (Randall Swift) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 10:40:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] IMC Samba Console Message-ID: I have installed the samba console from idealx and have no idea how to run it. There readme and installation links do not work. Could anyone help me get started. Thanks Randy Swift Network Administrator Leavitt Area High School Turner, Maine 04282 (207)225-3533 swift at msad52.k12.me.us From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Mar 22 16:18:13 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 08:18:13 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] SiS drivers Message-ID: <42404545.3020003@paasda.org> the stock sis xserver drivers seems to have a bug with LCD displays that output 1280x1024... This website: http://www.winischhofer.net/index.shtml is from the guy who maintains the sis drivers I believe I got it from "man sis" it appears there is a driver update there, but installing as per the instructions on the site did not produce good results... xserver failed no screens found a message like the above was produced. Any tips/hints/ideas? Also, 'man sis' shows options for the driver...how to incorporate those into the lts.conf file? XSERVER = vesa is what I'm stuck with now...and I have a shadowing effect of the taskbar at the bottom of the display. --Huck From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Mar 22 18:23:06 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 10:23:06 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] lts.conf query Message-ID: <4240628A.50809@paasda.org> Is it possible to say in lts.conf [ws120 - ws129] XSERVER = sis [ws130 - ws139] XSERVER = ati ?? or do I have to explicitly set each one? or maybe something like sislab = ws120,ws121,ws122,ws123,ws124,ws125,ws126,ws127,ws128,ws129 and then [sislab] XSERVER = sis ?? trying to make this admin a little less typing-happy =) --Huck From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Mar 22 18:23:43 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 10:23:43 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] SiS drivers In-Reply-To: <42404545.3020003@paasda.org> References: <42404545.3020003@paasda.org> Message-ID: <424062AF.7000307@paasda.org> replying to self... found a diff driver and it worked yay! --Huck Huck wrote: > the stock sis xserver drivers seems to have a bug with LCD displays that > output 1280x1024... > > This website: > > http://www.winischhofer.net/index.shtml > > is from the guy who maintains the sis drivers I believe I got it from > "man sis" > > it appears there is a driver update there, but installing as per the > instructions on the site did not produce good results... > > xserver failed no screens found > > a message like the above was produced. > > Any tips/hints/ideas? > > Also, 'man sis' shows options for the driver...how to incorporate those > into the lts.conf file? > > XSERVER = vesa is what I'm stuck with now...and I have a shadowing > effect of the taskbar at the bottom of the display. > > > --Huck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From gentgeen at linuxmail.org Tue Mar 22 19:41:33 2005 From: gentgeen at linuxmail.org (Kevin Squire) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 14:41:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT -- Not LTSP, but Linux Scripting Question In-Reply-To: <42402F31.3040504@maltzen.net> References: <20050321143402.1347c8f0@linuxbox> <42402F31.3040504@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <20050322144133.76e87a61@linuxbox> Dear Petre, Thank you greatly for your time. The script for checking for errors will be VERY helpful. I know that when I wrote the orig. post, I had some ideas, but thought it would be a bit clunky. (And it was, I finished working on it last night -- that itch that had to be scratched) I did add two lines to your error checker, for the line counter thing. At the very begining I just added: $linecount = 0; while (<>) { $linecount++; It looks like I am going to have to look into perl scripting some more. I will definitly be using your scripts as a starting point. Thanks again. And just as a comparison, here is what I found to work as a bash script. The perl script is so much nicer. (removed all the code for "error checks") #!/bin/bash # File to spilt Progress Report into multible files then combine them # back together using a provided text file as the guide. # Variable that I may need to change by hand, # but don't want to have to do on the command line outputsuffix="04-05_Mid" basedir="/home/kevin/Documents/PAVCS/Progress_Reports" # assign better names to the arguements provided on the command line teachername=$1 outputdirname=$1 inputfile=$2 parsefile=$1.txt outputdir=$basedir/$outputdirname tempdir=$outputdir/temp mkdir -p $tempdir echo " Spliting $inputfile now please wait ...." echo " " pdftk "$inputfile" burst output "$tempdir/$teachername"_%03d.pdf echo " $inputfile split. Now combining files ..." echo " " # Find the number of lines in a $parsefile noline=`wc -l $parsefile | cut -d" " -f1` # Need to repeat the combine step for each row of the $parsefile x=1 # initalize x for my counter while [ "$x" -le "$noline" ]; do studentname=`sed -n ''$x'p' $parsefile | cut -d"," -f1` stupg1=`sed -n ''$x'p' $parsefile | cut -d"," -f2` stupg2=`sed -n ''$x'p' $parsefile | cut -d"," -f3` stupg3=`sed -n ''$x'p' $parsefile | cut -d"," -f4` stupg4=`sed -n ''$x'p' $parsefile | cut -d"," -f5` echo " Preparing report for $studentname ..." # Need to run a different pdftk command based on the number of pages if [ "$stupg4" != "" ]; then pdftk "$tempdir/$teachername"_"$stupg1".pdf \ "$tempdir/$teachername"_"$stupg2".pdf \ "$tempdir/$teachername"_"$stupg3".pdf \ "$tempdir/$teachername"_"$stupg4".pdf \ cat output "$outputdir/$studentname"_"$outputsuffix".pdf elif [ "$stupg3" != "" ]; then pdftk "$tempdir/$teachername"_"$stupg1".pdf \ "$tempdir/$teachername"_"$stupg2".pdf \ "$tempdir/$teachername"_"$stupg3".pdf \ cat output "$outputdir/$studentname"_"$outputsuffix".pdf elif [ "$stupg2" != "" ]; then pdftk "$tempdir/$teachername"_"$stupg1".pdf \ "$tempdir/$teachername"_"$stupg2".pdf \ cat output "$outputdir/$studentname"_"$outputsuffix".pdf elif [ "$stupg1" != "" ]; then echo " Every student should have at least 2 pages." echo " $studentname has only 1 page, I will stop now." echo " " exit else echo " $studentname does not have any pages, I will stop now" echo " " exit fi echo " $studentname completed." echo " " x=`expr $x + 1` # Increase counter by 1 done # Need to clean-up the temp directory rm -rf $tempdir/ # This is just here for troubleshooting echo " " echo "$0 script ran successully for $teachername class" On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 08:44:01 -0600 Petre Scheie wrote: > I suggest you create two scripts: one to check the text file for any > errors--spaces, non-three digit numbers, whatever--and the other to > actually do the pdftk stuff once you have a clean text file. I do > alot of this kind of stuff and I've found that it is much more > efficient to make sure you've got a clean file to work with, fix any > problems beforehand, and then do your 'batch' process, than it is to > try to write one script that will do merging for 50 lines, discover a > problem, skip that line but be able to tell you it had a problem, or > bail/die, in which case you have to fix the problem, start all over > with the merging except you don't want to do the lines that you got > through successfully on the first run, so you have to figure out where > the error was... and so on; you get the idea. So, with that in mind, > I wrote two quick & dirty perl scripts that should do most of what you > want. It could probably be done in a shell script, but it would be > harder (which is how perl came about). > > Script 1 looks for errors in the text file, as you described: > > #!/usr/bin/perl -w > # script written for Keven Squire on the K12LTSP list > # make sure no lines have any spaces > > $errors = 0; > while (<>) { > chomp; > if ($_ =~ / /) { # check for spaces > print "$_ has a space in it\n"; > $errors++; > } > (@array) = split(',',$_); > for ($i=1; $i <= $#array; $i++) { > if (length($array[$i]) != 3) { # check for numbers that > aren't 3 digits > print "Field $i on line $_ is not three digits\n"; > $errors++; > } > } > # Uncomment the next line if you want to display a running tally of > the errors# print "Errors is $errors\n"; > } > ($errors > 0) && print "There were $errors errors\n"; > > ########### end script1 ################ > > Run this against your text file ('script1 textfile.txt') and it will > tell you of any errors it finds and where. You could put in a line > counter to make locating the errors a bit easier to get to. Fix the > errors, run this script again, and repeat until you get no errors. > Then run script 2: > > #!/usr/bin/perl -w > > while (<>) { > $sourcefiles = ""; > chomp; > (@array) = split(',',$_); > for ($i=1; $i <= $#array; $i++) { > $sourcefiles = $sourcefiles." ".$array[0]."_.".$i."pdf"; > } > print "The input string will be $sourcefiles\n"; > # system("/path/to/pdftk $sourcefiles cat output $array[0].pdf"); > } > > For each line in the text file, this will split up the fields, create > the pdf file names, and put it all into one string for use with the > pdftk command. I have the last line commented out because you should > do a dry run with this first to make sure the $sourcefiles string will > be what you want. I don't have pdftk so I couldn't really test it, > but the print command on the penultimate line will show what will be > passed to pdftk. HTH > > Petre > > > Kevin Squire wrote: > > First, I apologize for the OT nature of the post, but I am sure many > > of you will know / have done something like this. Also, I really > > did not know where else to post the question. If you know somewhere > > better, feel free to let me know. :-) > > > > The Asst. Prin. has asked me do something very tedious (I did set > > myself up for it, but I could use the "brownie points"), and I need > > some help with the script that I am writing to make it less tedious. > > I have done > > a fair bit of scripting, but nothing this advanced, so I need some > > help. > > > > Some general info: Each teacher right now has a single MS Word > > document with every one of his/her students progress reports. (i.e. > > I have one file called squire_pr.doc that is 116 pgs for 56 > > students). The AP whats them to be a single document (2 or 3 pgs) > > per student. He does not care if they stay in .doc format or not, as > > long as they still look the same. > > > > So I have taken my squire_pr.doc and printed it to PDF > > (squire_pr.pdf) so that I could use a program called pdftk ( > > http://freshmeat.net/projects/pdftk/ ) and split it up into 116 > > single page documents (each one called squire_###.pdf). Then I can > > use the same program to join the appropriate pages back together > > again (so squire_001.pdf and squire_002.pdf becomes > > smithJ_04-05_mid.pdf). > > > > I want to put together a script that will automate this stuff (to a > > certain point). The teacher sends me two files, the 1 large pdf > > file and a text file with student name and the page numbers of the > > PDF file that make that student's report. Usually it will be 2 > > pages, but sometimes it will be 3 or maybe even 4. The text file > > would look something like: > > > > smithJ,001,002 > > mouseM,003,004 > > gatesW,005,006,007 > > > > I have already done the basics on the script -- setting up > > variables, assigning directories, making sure the correct files > > exist already, etc. > > But I don't know how to (1) get the script to read from the text > > file, > > (2) verify that the text file has now spaces and all numbers are in > > ### format (3) assign variable to each field in the text file (4) > > repeat for every line in the text file. > > > > Some info/example/notes from my script: > > ============================================= > > $inputfile is the 1 big PDF file > > $tempdir/$teachername_%03d.pdf part creates a bunch of single > > PDF's > > with the name squire_001.pdf, squire_002.pdf, etc. > > $parsefile is the text file with student names, and page numbers > > from the PDF that make up there report > > ========== > > pdftk $inputfile burst $tempdir/$teachername_%03d.pdf > > > > # Now the hard part :-) > > # Need to read the $parsefile and verify that: > > # there are no spaces and that all numbers are in ### format > > # if not just give an error of $prasefile has error (adding a line > > # number would be nice but not necessary > > # and then assign the following: > > # $studentname from field 1 > > # $stupg1 from field 2 > > # $stupg2 from field 3 > > # $stupg3 from field 4 for those that have 4 fields > > # $stupg4 from field 5 for those that have 5 fields > > > > # then run the command 'pdftk INPUTFILES cat output COMBINEDFILE' > > # for every single line in the text file > > # where INPUTFILES would be $tempdir/$teachername_$stupgN.pdf where > > # N could be 1,2,3 or 4 depending on what was found in text file > > > > NOTE -- sorry this got so long, I hope it all makes sense. And > > Thank you in advance for you effort. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- From z-man at hawaii.rr.com Tue Mar 22 19:52:44 2005 From: z-man at hawaii.rr.com (Jeff Zidek) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 09:52:44 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Unversal boot disk image path on 4.2....can anyone giveitto me? In-Reply-To: <003601c52eea$782df570$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: I tried that one and it failed to work. The reason I believe is that it is too large of image to use as a boot sector image which is limited at least on nero to 128 sectors which is 64K and the image is larger than that. I tried writing to floppy and using that an that also failed. I believe the best soloution will be to make an isolinux boot cd that does these things. 1. boots a kernel 2. detects the hardware and loads pcmcia and network drivers and gets IP address 3. Then passes control to the LTSP Server Here is what I have been doing as a work around. I download and burn the Special version of SLAX called Popcorn. I use this one because the regular one has a couple of the configuration problems in it often found when using slackware with LTSP. This cd detects and initializes all hardware and login is simple. Once logged in as root (not a problem when using a live cd) I then type the comand X -query 192.168.0.254 (the ip of our LTSP server) and in a snap I have the login screen for the LTSP Server. I have used this on several old laptops with pcmcia nics and it worked great. I am now attempting to make my own SLAX like live cd that will autologin and check for a an ip ensuring the nic has one and automatically running the X query to bring up a screen. I don't know if this helps but It is coming at it from a different angle. You can download SLAX popcorn verision here http://slax.linux-live.org/download.php -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Jim Kronebusch Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 4:22 AM To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Unversal boot disk image path on 4.2....can anyone giveitto me? > I don't have a working 4.2 server in front of me....and I'm > trying to give a newbie some instructions on setting up a > server and creating boot disks. Can anyone give me the exact > path of the Universal boot disk image so I can give her the > command to make a boot disk? > > cd /path/to/Universal/boot/image > cat imagename.lzdsk > /dev/fd0 >From what I can see it is cd /tftpboot/lts/boot/bootroms/Universal_Boot_Floppy.dsk cat Universal_Boot_Floppy.dsk > /dev/fd0 I haven't used this one specifically but I think it is what you are looking for. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From caldodge at fpcc.net Tue Mar 22 20:03:13 2005 From: caldodge at fpcc.net (Calvin Dodge) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 13:03:13 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] lts.conf query In-Reply-To: <4240628A.50809@paasda.org> References: <4240628A.50809@paasda.org> Message-ID: <42407A01.40308@fpcc.net> Huck wrote: > Is it possible to say in lts.conf > > [ws120 - ws129] > XSERVER = sis > > > [ws130 - ws139] > XSERVER = ati > > > > ?? > > or do I have to explicitly set each one? > > or maybe something like > > sislab = ws120,ws121,ws122,ws123,ws124,ws125,ws126,ws127,ws128,ws129 > > and then > > [sislab] > XSERVER = sis I'm having a little trouble determining this from the source code (100K of Perl), but I doubt either of the above options is possible. The following script will add the appropriate entries to lts.conf (n=120;while [ $n -le 129 ];do echo \[ws$n\];n=$((n+1));echo " XSERVER = sis ";done) >>/opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf Calvin -- Calvin Dodge Certified Linux Bigot (tm) http://www.caldodge.fpcc.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: caldodge.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 237 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jam at mcquil.com Tue Mar 22 20:10:19 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 15:10:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] lts.conf query In-Reply-To: <42407A01.40308@fpcc.net> References: <4240628A.50809@paasda.org> <42407A01.40308@fpcc.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 22 Mar 2005, Calvin Dodge wrote: > Huck wrote: > > Is it possible to say in lts.conf > > > > [ws120 - ws129] > > XSERVER = sis > > > > > > [ws130 - ws139] > > XSERVER = ati > > > > > > > > ?? > > > > or do I have to explicitly set each one? > > > > or maybe something like > > > > sislab = ws120,ws121,ws122,ws123,ws124,ws125,ws126,ws127,ws128,ws129 > > > > and then > > > > [sislab] > > XSERVER = sis > > I'm having a little trouble determining this from the source code (100K of > Perl), but I doubt either of the above options is possible. Makes me wonder what source code you are looking at. I wrote getltscfg in C. And, btw, [ws120 - ws129] is unfortunately NOT valid. What you could do, is setup something like this: [DellGX1] XSERVER = sis [HPVectra] XSERVER = ati [ws120] LIKE = DellGX1 [ws121] LIKE = DellGX1 [ws122] LIKE = DellGX1 [ws123] LIKE = DellGX1 [ws130] LIKE = HPVectra [ws131] LIKE = HPVectra [ws131] LIKE = HPVectra Hope that helps, Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org > > The following script will add the appropriate entries to lts.conf > (n=120;while [ $n -le 129 ];do echo \[ws$n\];n=$((n+1));echo " XSERVER = sis > ";done) >>/opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf > > Calvin > > -- > Calvin Dodge > Certified Linux Bigot (tm) > http://www.caldodge.fpcc.net > > From nelsda at yahoo.com Tue Mar 22 20:23:46 2005 From: nelsda at yahoo.com (David D. Nelson) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 12:23:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Can't see internet on fresh 4.2.0 install SOLVED In-Reply-To: <20050321202423.67788.qmail@web51910.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050322202346.5806.qmail@web51908.mail.yahoo.com> --- "David D. Nelson" wrote: > > --- Les Mikesell wrote: > > On Sun, 2005-03-20 at 17:55, David D. Nelson > wrote: > > > My ISP gave me a static IP of > > > x.x.x.162, a gateway of x.x.x.125 and a subnet > > mask of > > > 255.255.255.252. > > > > Something is wrong with those values. A > > 255.255.255.252 > > netmask gives you 4 addresses with only 2 usable: > > .161 and > > .162. Your gateway must be within the same subnet > > and the > > .125 address isn't. Could the netmask have been > > 255.255.252.0? > > Or could .161 be the gateway? > > > > Since it is working with .125 as the gateway I > assume > it is ok. Maybe, however, the ISP meant to say my > gateway was .161 and I'm using the wrong gateway. > I'll > have to check into it. I found out what the problem was. I had miss written down my IP address. I went back to the original installer's worksheet and found that my IP was supposed to be x.x.x.126. It looks like I transposed the last two digits. Thank you everyone for you time in helping me out. I did learn something in the process. David D. Nelson nelsda at yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From mailinglists-after-041101_reply-not-possible at hpc.dk Tue Mar 22 20:27:01 2005 From: mailinglists-after-041101_reply-not-possible at hpc.dk (Henning Wangerin) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 21:27:01 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] First test packages for SchoolBell In-Reply-To: <92de6c8805032119162aa28b5a@mail.gmail.com> References: <423F7420.2060609@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <92de6c8805032119162aa28b5a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1111523221.3929.201.camel@server.ltsp> On Tue, 2005-03-22 at 04:16, Tom Hoffman wrote: > On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:25:52 -0800, Eric Harrison > wrote: > > > > For those of you interested in giving SchoolBell > > (http://www.schooltool.org) a spin, I have uploaded test packages: > > Great! Thanks Eric. > > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/schoolbell-1.0-1.k12ltsp.0.4.2.i386.rpm Just installed it on a FC1 (k12 4.0.1-1), but it nees puthon 2.3 (I've got 2.2.3) Is there an easy way to get it upgraded? I'm stuck with FC1 at the moment, as I've not been able to get FC2 nor FC3 to run on my Via Eden board. -- Henning Wangerin From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue Mar 22 20:32:38 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 12:32:38 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] lts.conf query In-Reply-To: References: <4240628A.50809@paasda.org> <42407A01.40308@fpcc.net> Message-ID: <424080E6.1070501@paasda.org> Jim McQuillan wrote: > Makes me wonder what source code you are looking at. I wrote getltscfg > in C. > And, btw, [ws120 - ws129] is unfortunately NOT valid. > > What you could do, is setup something like this: > > > [DellGX1] > XSERVER = sis > > [HPVectra] > XSERVER = ati > > [ws120] LIKE = DellGX1 > [ws121] LIKE = DellGX1 > [ws122] LIKE = DellGX1 > [ws123] LIKE = DellGX1 > [ws130] LIKE = HPVectra > [ws131] LIKE = HPVectra > [ws131] LIKE = HPVectra > > > Hope that helps, > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org Jim, is there any merit in a new-improved version that will allow for 'batching' like-configured-hardware together? I have 10 of 1 type of thin client, and I have 10 of the same hardware configuration of old PII's...and who knows what will come about next year!(hopefully just more of the thin clients). Just hoping for something like: scilab = ws100,ws101,ws102,ws103 artlab = ws110,ws111,ws112,ws113 [scilab] XSERVER = ati [artlab] XSERVER = sis (then again using wsXXX, might be less bulletproof than MAC address and that's a valid arg as well) Just a thought, not a real programmer so don't know much about all that feathers together. Thanks for the quick fixes though! --Huck From jam at mcquil.com Tue Mar 22 20:35:43 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 15:35:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] lts.conf query In-Reply-To: <424080E6.1070501@paasda.org> References: <4240628A.50809@paasda.org> <42407A01.40308@fpcc.net> <424080E6.1070501@paasda.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 22 Mar 2005, Huck wrote: > Jim McQuillan wrote: > > > Makes me wonder what source code you are looking at. I wrote getltscfg > > in C. > > And, btw, [ws120 - ws129] is unfortunately NOT valid. > > > > What you could do, is setup something like this: > > > > > > [DellGX1] > > XSERVER = sis > > > > [HPVectra] > > XSERVER = ati > > > > [ws120] LIKE = DellGX1 > > [ws121] LIKE = DellGX1 > > [ws122] LIKE = DellGX1 > > [ws123] LIKE = DellGX1 > > [ws130] LIKE = HPVectra > > [ws131] LIKE = HPVectra > > [ws131] LIKE = HPVectra > > > > > > Hope that helps, > > > > Jim McQuillan > > jam at Ltsp.org > > Jim, is there any merit in a new-improved version that will allow for > 'batching' like-configured-hardware together? I don't see the point. It just isn't worth the trouble in my opinion. I'll bet it wouldn't take 2 minutes to add the entries for all of the workstations. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org > > I have 10 of 1 type of thin client, and I have 10 of the same hardware > configuration of old PII's...and who knows what will come about next > year!(hopefully just more of the thin clients). > > Just hoping for something like: > > scilab = ws100,ws101,ws102,ws103 > > artlab = ws110,ws111,ws112,ws113 > > [scilab] > XSERVER = ati > > [artlab] > XSERVER = sis > > (then again using wsXXX, might be less bulletproof than MAC address and that's > a valid arg as well) > > Just a thought, not a real programmer so don't know much about all that > feathers together. > > Thanks for the quick fixes though! > > --Huck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Tue Mar 22 21:07:47 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 21:07:47 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] IMC Samba Console In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42408923.1000607@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Randall Swift wrote: >I have installed the samba console from idealx and have no idea how to run >it. There readme and installation links do not work. Could anyone help me >get started. Thanks > >Randy Swift >Network Administrator >Leavitt Area High School >Turner, Maine 04282 >(207)225-3533 >swift at msad52.k12.me.us > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > Have you started the imc process with the init script in the imc directory, if so you should be able to point your browser at https://localhost:8080. You'll also need to configure it slightly. I'm not online tomorrow but I'd be happy to help with it on Thursday. I have Fedora core 3 rpms for it if you have problems. Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From staffords at glenburn.net Tue Mar 22 22:58:33 2005 From: staffords at glenburn.net (Shane Stafford) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 17:58:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Help - possible hacking of our NFS/NIS LTSP server In-Reply-To: <200503221403.j2ME3V828229@downeast.net> References: <200503221403.j2ME3V828229@downeast.net> Message-ID: well it looks like someone compromised our NFS/NIS server. Someone has reported to UNET that our server was trying this ssh login brute force attack. What is odd the report was on March 19 and the UNET folks looked today and didn't see anything. What can I do to look for this script or hack? How do I make sure it doesn't happen, if it happens again, they filter out that server and our entire LTSP system relies on that machine. I did find a test account logged in under odd circumstances, so I killed the processes and deleted the test account. But I worry about what damage may be done. thanks for any advice Shane Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer S & B Consulting From staffords at glenburn.net Tue Mar 22 23:10:31 2005 From: staffords at glenburn.net (Shane Stafford) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 18:10:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Help - possible hacking of our NFS/NIS LTSP server In-Reply-To: References: <200503221403.j2ME3V828229@downeast.net> <,> Message-ID: oops wait, the warning was on one of the client server, our LTSP server for the lab. still need advice, don't want the other three in same trouble. thanks Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer S & B Consulting From rfreidel at computergeex.com Tue Mar 22 23:25:30 2005 From: rfreidel at computergeex.com (Ron Freidel) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 23:25:30 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Help - possible hacking of our NFS/NIS LTSP server Message-ID: <20050322.IvX.47189400@mail.computergeex.com> You could try running chkrootkit http://www.chkrootkit.org/, but if your system was indeed compromised sometimes the best thing to do is to wipe the system and start fresh. The best way to avoid that situation is by making sure your user passwords are not easily guessed, change passwords on a regular schedule, disable root ssh login (in my opinion it should never be enabled by default), run sshd on a different port than 22, drop any connection coming from Asia, or any network you don't want to connect, read one of the many security howto's. As a test one time I had a Linux box that I was planning to wipe out, I changed the root password to password, then sat and watched, it took about ten minutes for someone from Asia to login, before I unplugged the rj45 cable they had created an accout, ftp'd some files and were starting to create some folders, at that point I unplugged them from the net. The changes took place so quickly it must have been a script. Shane Stafford (staffords at glenburn.net) wrote: > > well it looks like someone compromised our NFS/NIS server. > > Someone has reported to UNET that our server was trying this ssh login > brute force attack. What is odd the report was on March 19 and the UNET > folks looked today and didn't see anything. > > What can I do to look for this script or hack? How do I make sure it > doesn't happen, if it happens again, they filter out that server and our > entire LTSP system relies on that machine. > > I did find a test account logged in under odd circumstances, so I killed > the processes and deleted the test account. But I worry about what damage > may be done. > > thanks for any advice > Shane > > Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT > Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town > Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer > S & B Consulting > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Ron Freidel Sys Admin Computer Geex, Inc. (406) 491-3378 From staffords at glenburn.net Tue Mar 22 23:34:51 2005 From: staffords at glenburn.net (Shane Stafford) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 18:34:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Help - possible hacking of our NFS/NIS LTSP server In-Reply-To: <20050322.IvX.47189400@mail.computergeex.com> References: <20050322.IvX.47189400@mail.computergeex.com> Message-ID: thanks I have shut them down remotely until I can get to school and try some of these t hings. my root passwords are pretty good, at least letters and numbers. Is it possible to install anything via any other accounts? I am also going to (while unplugged from network) compare this LTSP server and another client server and see if I notice obvious processes which are different. Just trying to figure out what has been done. thanks Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer S & B Consulting From cliebow at downeast.net Tue Mar 22 23:58:37 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 23:58:37 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Help - possible hacking of our NFS/NIS LTSP server Message-ID: <200503222254.j2MMsb817285@downeast.net> this is a script kiddie attack which we captured at cave hill.it was run entirely as a non priviledegd acct and after three weeks see no evidence of any attempt to gain root..if you have accts like arthur jane pam with trivial pw look at the bash_history as that at least in our case was intact..look at your var log messges from the ime this happened and you will see a successful login for a trivial acct..chuck > well it looks like someone compromised our NFS/NIS server. > > Someone has reported to UNET that our server was trying this ssh login > brute force attack. What is odd the report was on March 19 and the UNET > folks looked today and didn't see anything. > > What can I do to look for this script or hack? How do I make sure it > doesn't happen, if it happens again, they filter out that server and our > entire LTSP system relies on that machine. > > I did find a test account logged in under odd circumstances, so I killed > the processes and deleted the test account. But I worry about what damage > may be done. > > thanks for any advice > Shane > > Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT > Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town > Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer > S & B Consulting > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From staffords at glenburn.net Wed Mar 23 00:27:08 2005 From: staffords at glenburn.net (Shane Stafford) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 19:27:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Help - possible hacking of our NFS/NIS LTSP server In-Reply-To: <200503222254.j2MMsb817285@downeast.net> References: <200503222254.j2MMsb817285@downeast.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, March 22, 2005 at 6:58 PM -0500 wrote: >this is a script kiddie attack which we captured at cave hill.it was run >entirely as a non priviledegd acct and after three weeks see no evidence >of >any attempt to gain root..if you have accts like arthur jane pam with >trivial pw look at the bash_history as that at least in our case was >intact..look at your var log messges from the ime this happened and you >will see a successful login for a trivial acct..chuck > > Thanks Chuck So was the script kiddie attacking trying ssh logins into other machines? I think I saw your earlier post and thought it was doing other things. You speaking of a successful login via ssh into a trivial account? We do use some pretty trivial accounts for the K and 1 kids. thanks > > > Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer S & B Consulting From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Mar 23 00:25:18 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 16:25:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Second test build of K12LTSP 4.2.1 Message-ID: I have uploaded the second test build of K12LTSP 4.2.1. In addition to support for PPC terminals, this build adds/changes: * Fedora Extras yum repository enabled by default * process for deleting terminal's swap files * added /etc/profile.d/ulimit.sh to prevent students from taking down a terminal server * SchoolBell (not yet installed by default) If you test this, PLEASE provide feedback! In specific, please post your experiences (good and bad!) on: * PPC support. What models you tried & if they worked or not * Fedora Extras yum repository, any problems/conflicts? * Are the limits too high or too low? The ISO images are availible at: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/4.2.1/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/4.2.1/ . I'll create a yum/up2date/apt-get repository in the near future, but at this point I'd really prefer if the ISO's install/update code was tested. -Eric From cliebow at downeast.net Wed Mar 23 00:42:27 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 00:42:27 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Help - possible hacking of our NFS/NIS LTSP server Message-ID: <200503222338.j2MNcQ822493@downeast.net> yes..msln shut the dvhool down and so gave this dude no time to cover his tracks..if he/she knew how to do so..chuck > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Tuesday, March 22, 2005 at 6:58 PM -0500 wrote: > >this is a script kiddie attack which we captured at cave hill.it was run > >entirely as a non priviledegd acct and after three weeks see no evidence > >of > >any attempt to gain root..if you have accts like arthur jane pam with > >trivial pw look at the bash_history as that at least in our case was > >intact..look at your var log messges from the ime this happened and you > >will see a successful login for a trivial acct..chuck > > > > > Thanks Chuck > > So was the script kiddie attacking trying ssh logins into other machines? > I think I saw your earlier post and thought it was doing other things. > You speaking of a successful login via ssh into a trivial account? > > We do use some pretty trivial accounts for the K and 1 kids. > > thanks > > > > > > > > > > Shane Stafford, MCSE, MCT > Director Information Services Glenburn School and Town > Educational System Integrator/Network Engineer > S & B Consulting > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From bear2bar at netscape.net Wed Mar 23 00:43:43 2005 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 19:43:43 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Second SchoolBell test package In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4240BBBF.6050503@netscape.net> Hi Eric, After a slow start both releases work great !!! To all involved Congrats !!!! thks norbert eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us wrote: > > The test SchoolBell package I posted earlier today had some (most) of > the files in the wrong place, an uneeded dependancy, and was missing > the documentation. > > I cleaned all of that up and uploaded the fixed package: > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/schoolbell-1.0-1.k12ltsp.1.4.2.i386.rpm > > > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From nickfmail4-lists at yahoo.com Wed Mar 23 01:11:59 2005 From: nickfmail4-lists at yahoo.com (Nick Fenger) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 17:11:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Managing usernames and passwords across 6 K12LTSP servers (NEWBIE) Message-ID: <20050323011159.80358.qmail@web60703.mail.yahoo.com> Hello, I am in the final stages of rolling out our 100% free 6 server, 30 client K12LTSP system. This has been very easy thus far!!! I have 6 dual PIII 700 servers w/ 5 clients each that I need to keep username and passwords synchronized so students can access files anywhere in the school. I understand the NFS stuff but I am not sure if I should use NIS, smbldap, Openldap, LDAP, etc... It seems copying /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow would work but I am not sure how to do this either (rsync, ssh???) If that is indeed the quickest way to get going before the end of spring break then all I might need is a sample script/command that does this for my 6 servers. Otherwise, if someone can direct me toward NIS or LDAP I can start learning those since one of these seem to be the long term solution. I am new to Linux but have learned a tremendous amount through online HOWTO's since starting this project in November. Thanks in advance, Nick Fenger Math/Science Teacher and "The guy who does the computer stuff" Trillium Charter School Portland, OR From aimssda at cscoms.com Wed Mar 23 01:35:21 2005 From: aimssda at cscoms.com (AIMSSDA) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 08:35:21 +0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Is IceWM included in 4.2? In-Reply-To: <20050322170026.39BC27381C@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050322170026.39BC27381C@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4240C7D9.7070901@cscoms.com> I just installed k12ltsp 4.2 and still testing it. I'm looking for IceWM but can't find it. Is it included in 4.2? Thanks Edward Thailand From aimssda at cscoms.com Wed Mar 23 01:37:38 2005 From: aimssda at cscoms.com (AIMSSDA) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 08:37:38 +0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Is IceWM Included in 4.2? Message-ID: <4240C862.6080609@cscoms.com> Hi, I just installed k12ltsp 4.2 and still testing it. I'm looking for IceWM but can't find it. Is it included in 4.2? Thanks Edward Thailand From drloomis at cox-internet.com Wed Mar 23 02:39:50 2005 From: drloomis at cox-internet.com (Dr. Daniel Loomis) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 20:39:50 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] How do I stop attempted logins Message-ID: <1111545590.3635.11.camel@harpo.curmudgeon.not> Thanks for the advice. I have added the following rules to /etc/sysconfig/iptables to slow down the Asian hordes: -A INPUT -s 200.0.0.0/8 -j DROP -A INPUT -s 202.0.0.0/8 -j DROP -A INPUT -s 210.0.0.0/8 -j DROP -A INPUT -s 211.0.0.0/8 -j DROP -A INPUT -s 212.0.0.0/8 -j DROP -A INPUT -s 221.0.0.0/8 -j DROP -A INPUT -s 222.0.0.0/8 -j DROP My Doctorate is in Theology, not computer science, so I have only passing acquaintance with subnetting rules. However, if I understand correctly, it seems I could replace the above with a single rule like the following: -A INPUT -s 200.0.0.0/2 -j DROP Would the above rule block all subnets in the range 200.0.0.0 to 255.0.0.0 or is there another way to declare the whole subnet? Daniel From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Mar 23 03:01:12 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 22:01:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Managing usernames and passwords across 6 K12LTSP servers=?ISO-8859-1?Q? =28NEWBIE=29?= In-Reply-To: <20050323011159.80358.qmail@web60703.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050323011159.80358.qmail@web60703.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: My choice? Make one of them the Samba/LDAP server (smbldap) and simply point all the others to that....if at all possible connect them via a gigabit backbone nickfmail4-lists at yahoo.com on Tuesday, March 22, 2005 at 8:11 PM +0000 wrote: >Hello, > >I am in the final stages of rolling out our 100% free >6 server, 30 client K12LTSP system. This has been very >easy thus far!!! > >I have 6 dual PIII 700 servers w/ 5 clients each that >I need to keep username and passwords synchronized so >students can access files anywhere in the school. I >understand the NFS stuff but I am not sure if I should >use NIS, smbldap, Openldap, LDAP, etc... It seems >copying /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow would work but I >am not sure how to do this either (rsync, ssh???) If >that is indeed the quickest way to get going before >the end of spring break then all I might need is a >sample script/command that does this for my 6 servers. >Otherwise, if someone can direct me toward NIS or LDAP >I can start learning those since one of these seem to >be the long term solution. > >I am new to Linux but have learned a tremendous amount >through online HOWTO's since starting this project in >November. > >Thanks in advance, > >Nick Fenger >Math/Science Teacher and "The guy who does the >computer stuff" >Trillium Charter School >Portland, OR David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From microman at cmosnetworks.com Wed Mar 23 03:38:22 2005 From: microman at cmosnetworks.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Terrell_Prud=E9=2C_Jr=2E=22?=) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 22:38:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] How do I stop attempted logins In-Reply-To: <1111545590.3635.11.camel@harpo.curmudgeon.not> References: <1111545590.3635.11.camel@harpo.curmudgeon.not> Message-ID: <4240E4AE.5030205@cmosnetworks.com> Actually, you want to block a bit more than that. This is the entire list of Asia/Pacific IP address ranges, from APNIC at http://www.apnic.net/db/ranges.html: 58.0.0.0/7 60.0.0.0/7 124.0.0.0/7 126.0.0.0/8 169.208.0.0/12 196.192.0.0/13 202.0.0.0/7* 210.0.0.0/7 218.0.0.0/7 220.0.0.0/7 222.0.0.0/8 This is what I block on my servers for TCP 22. I don't do it for DNS or email because I don't want to block legit email from Asia/Pacific; I'm working on other methods to stop spammers. Also, on my Web server, I don't block TCP 80, since I *want* people anywhere to be able to access it. Whether you block specific TCP or UDP ports, or all of them, from certain places depends on your specific application. Of course, for the K12LTSP servers, those are on the LAN protected by a NAT'ing firewall, so nobody but folks on the internal network can get to them anyway. :-) And though I don't have a doctorate in *anything*, the proposed rule of "-A INPUT -s 200.0.0.0/2 -j DROP" might not be what you want. First, you'll be blocking stuff outside Asia/Pacific, e. g. 204.0.0.0/6 and 208.0.0.0/7, which includes Verio, the DoD NIC, and many others. Second, that subnet mask means "everything from 192.0.0.0 to 255.255.255.255. Now, if you really want to block a quarter of the Internet from *all* communications with your host(s), then that's the rule that you want. If not, then consider the above list. --TP Dr. Daniel Loomis wrote: >Thanks for the advice. I have added the following rules to >/etc/sysconfig/iptables to slow down the Asian hordes: > >-A INPUT -s 200.0.0.0/8 -j DROP >-A INPUT -s 202.0.0.0/8 -j DROP >-A INPUT -s 210.0.0.0/8 -j DROP >-A INPUT -s 211.0.0.0/8 -j DROP >-A INPUT -s 212.0.0.0/8 -j DROP >-A INPUT -s 221.0.0.0/8 -j DROP >-A INPUT -s 222.0.0.0/8 -j DROP > >My Doctorate is in Theology, not computer science, so I have only >passing acquaintance with subnetting rules. However, if I understand >correctly, it seems I could replace the above with a single rule like >the following: > >-A INPUT -s 200.0.0.0/2 -j DROP > >Would the above rule block all subnets in the range 200.0.0.0 to >255.0.0.0 or is there another way to declare the whole subnet? > >Daniel > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- _____________________ Do you GNU!? Be virus- and spam-free with Free/Open Source Software (FOSS). Check it out! From hick518 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 23 10:45:15 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 02:45:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] DPORT-1067 is being ignored -- SOLVED In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050323104515.20562.qmail@web41605.mail.yahoo.com> Removing the quotes did it. Thank you all very much. DHCP is now working on port 1067. -Rob --- Jim McQuillan wrote: > Rob, > > Are you using Etherboot or PXE ? > > Those options are correct for Etherboot, but they > won't work with PXE. > > Also, the value for option-128 should NOT be > surrounded by quotes. > > It should just be: > > option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; > > > I don't know if it would cause a problem to have > quotes. > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > On Tue, 22 Mar 2005, Rob Owens wrote: > > > I'm trying to get dhcp running on port 1067. This > is > > on my home system running Mandrake with ltsp on > top. > > Here are the pertinent lines from my dhcpd.conf > file: > > > > option option-128 code 128 = string; > > option option-129 code 129 = text; > > option option-128 "e4:45:74:68:00:00"; > > option option-129 "DPORT=1067"; > > > > I've tried placing them in different sections of > that > > file, but currently they're in the top section, > which > > I believe are the global settings. > > > > In Mandrake, I have to edit /etc/rc.d/init.d/dhcpd > in > > order to tell dhcpd to run on port 1067. I've > done > > that. > > > > When the client attempts to boot, it gets a kernel > (I > > think that's what it's doing) but it gets stuck > later > > on and tells me that it's searching for a dhcp > server > > on port 67. Seems like option 128 and 129 have > not > > successfully been passed to the kernel. > > > > So I revert back to port 67 by editing > > /etc/rc.d/init.d/dhcpd, but I forgot to comment > out > > the above lines from lts.conf. What do you know, > the > > client boots fine (on port 67). So again, it > seems > > like option 128 and 129 are not being passed to > the > > kernel. > > > > What have I done wrong? I'm out of ideas. > > > > -Rob > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources > site! > > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From hick518 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 23 10:47:49 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 02:47:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] SCREEN_02 = rdesktop -- should it work? In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050323104749.76440.qmail@web41610.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks. That fixed it for me. -Rob --- Jim McQuillan wrote: > Rob, > > By default, the thin client doesn't know about a dns > nameserver. > You need to give it one in the lts.conf file, like > this: > > DNS_SERVER = > > > I know it really should use the nameserver handed > out by dhcpd, but > currently, it doesn't. > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > On Tue, 22 Mar 2005, Rob Owens wrote: > > > I tried setting lts.conf with something like the > > following: > > > > SCREEN_02 = remote.server.com > > > > After the "hit to log in" screen, I get a > > message something like "could not resolve > > remote.server.com". If I replace the url with the > IP > > address, it works fine. Am I doing something > wrong, > > or is this just the way it works? > > > > To be clear, remote.server.com is not on the LAN, > but > > is accessed via the internet. > > > > -Rob > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From hick518 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 23 11:14:33 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 03:14:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Help - possible hacking of our NFS/NIS LTSP server In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050323111433.56842.qmail@web41606.mail.yahoo.com> --- Shane Stafford wrote: > So was the script kiddie attacking trying ssh logins > into other machines? > I think I saw your earlier post and thought it was > doing other things. > You speaking of a successful login via ssh into a > trivial account? > > We do use some pretty trivial accounts for the K and > 1 kids. > > thanks Do you mean that you have ssh access enabled for even your K and 1st grade kids? If so, you should disable that. Here are a couple of things I recommend putting in your sshd_config file for safer ssh: 1) use the "AllowUsers" or "AllowGroups" rule to allow ssh only for those who really need it. 2) disable password authentication in favor of public key authentication. PasswordAuthentication no 3) PermitEmptyPasswords no -- this is probably a default setting 4) PermitRootLogin no -- again, probably already a default setting 5) set a low LoginGraceTime. If it's set at say, 30 seconds, and a correct password hasn't been guessed in that amount of time, the would-be hacker has to re-initiate the connection. This might not be too effective against scripts. 6) set a low MaxAuthTries, for the same reasons as in #5. 7) set a low MaxStartups. This is the total # of login attempts that can be happenning simultaneously. 8) PermitEmptyPasswords no -- probably a default setting. Can anybody tell me if I've missed something? -Rob __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From hick518 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 23 11:50:36 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 03:50:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Sound working on thinkpad 570E with LTSP4.2 In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050323115036.61797.qmail@web41606.mail.yahoo.com> Could anybody tell me if this is the recommended method of doing this? I would like to try it out tonight. Peter, am I correct that you are still booting the 2.4.26-ltsp-2 kernel? And you've simply placed the 2.4.19-ltsp-1 kernel in your opt tree so that the drivers can be used? -Rob --- Ascension Tech wrote: > Hey Folks, > I was in a bind because the Wireless_ltsp (3.05 > version) was looking > for drivers compiled with kernel 2.4.19-ltsp-1 but > my version of > LTSP4.2 is using 2.4.26-ltsp-2. So even though I > was able to boot > with my PCMCIA ethernet card, I had no sound. So I > just dowloaded the > ltsp_kernel-3.0.5-i386 from sourceforge and put the > 2.4.19-ltsp-1 > folder in /opt/ltsp/i386/lib/modules and voila the > cs46xx sound > driverworks fine! I'm glad because remastering the > wireless_ltsp > floppy is beyond me right now. If there is any > inherent danger in > doing what I'm doing, will somone say so? Hope this > helps someone. > > > Peter > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Mar 23 13:52:51 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 07:52:51 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] lts.conf query In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <009801c52faf$9acee600$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > I don't see the point. It just isn't worth the trouble in my opinion. > > I'll bet it wouldn't take 2 minutes to add the entries for > all of the workstations. I can see the point,I just don't know if it would help. In the case of 20 machines not much of a problem. But say on my campus here I hope to have about 350 machines by next year. So in that case if there were 50 of half a dozen different types it may be usefull. But on the other hand if you had to enter specific wsxxx under each group that would be time consuming as well. Plus I don't get how only entering a workstation name would have any consistancy. Can't workstation names change at random depending on lease times and boot orders? I would think you would have to have a list of mac addresses. And in that case you would almost need some sort of database or spreadsheet to track mac addresses, and at that point you could throw a script at an output from the database and be done in seconds. My 2 cents. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Wed Mar 23 14:14:32 2005 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 09:14:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] lts.conf query - next step for setprinters.sh In-Reply-To: <20050323104811.A873173104@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050323104811.A873173104@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1111587272.13559.10.camel@phoenix.hhp> Jim, A little while back I wrote a script that changes the default printer for a user based on which client/terminal they are logged on (I have a spread out K12LTSP implementation). Right now admins have to edit a file called /etc/sysconfig/ltsp_printers to associate terminals and print ques (an extra step). Would it be possible for me to modify my script so that it instead checks the lts.conf file for the information...(You inspired me with the grouping) like so: [lslabQUE] DEFAULT_PRINTER = lslab-hp [knslabQUE] DEFAULT_PRINTER = knslab-hp #actual machine [lslabn01] LIKE = lslabQUE [lslabn02] LIKE = lslabQUE #etc My next question is can I add my own options (ie: DEFAULT_PRINTER) to lts.conf? If I can hack this together, it would make it easier for people. I would use getltscfg in my profile.d script. Could we get something like this included in the base LTSP or K12LTSP? Also, is there documentation under the wiki yet for this type of configuration for the lts.conf (as well as possible options, etc)? Thanks! Henry Burroughs Technology Director Hilton Head Preparatory School www.hhprep.org > > ______________________________________________________________________ > From: Jim McQuillan > To: caldodge at fpcc.net, Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] lts.conf query > Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 15:10:19 -0500 > > > > On Tue, 22 Mar 2005, Calvin Dodge wrote: > > > Huck wrote: > > > Is it possible to say in lts.conf > > > > > > [ws120 - ws129] > > > XSERVER = sis > > > > > > > > > [ws130 - ws139] > > > XSERVER = ati > > > > > > > > > > > > ?? > > > > > > or do I have to explicitly set each one? > > > > > > or maybe something like > > > > > > sislab = ws120,ws121,ws122,ws123,ws124,ws125,ws126,ws127,ws128,ws129 > > > > > > and then > > > > > > [sislab] > > > XSERVER = sis > > > > I'm having a little trouble determining this from the source code (100K of > > Perl), but I doubt either of the above options is possible. > > Makes me wonder what source code you are looking at. I wrote getltscfg > in C. > And, btw, [ws120 - ws129] is unfortunately NOT valid. > > What you could do, is setup something like this: > > > [DellGX1] > XSERVER = sis > > [HPVectra] > XSERVER = ati > > [ws120] LIKE = DellGX1 > [ws121] LIKE = DellGX1 > [ws122] LIKE = DellGX1 > [ws123] LIKE = DellGX1 > [ws130] LIKE = HPVectra > [ws131] LIKE = HPVectra > [ws131] LIKE = HPVectra > > > Hope that helps, > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > > > > > The following script will add the appropriate entries to lts.conf > > (n=120;while [ $n -le 129 ];do echo \[ws$n\];n=$((n+1));echo " XSERVER = sis > > ";done) >>/opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf > > > > Calvin > > > > -- > > Calvin Dodge > > Certified Linux Bigot (tm) > > http://www.caldodge.fpcc.net > > > > > From jam at mcquil.com Wed Mar 23 14:39:24 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 09:39:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] lts.conf query - next step for setprinters.sh In-Reply-To: <1111587272.13559.10.camel@phoenix.hhp> References: <20050323104811.A873173104@hormel.redhat.com> <1111587272.13559.10.camel@phoenix.hhp> Message-ID: Henry, There's a couple of problems with server-side programs trying to access the lts.conf file. 1) If the entries in lts.conf are setup by MAC address, you won't be able to get a match, because you don't know the MAC address of the workstation. Sure you can search the arp cache for a match, but that gets really clumsy. 2) With the power of X, we can run apps on multiple servers. There's no guarantee that you are running your app on the same machine that contains the lts.conf file. This is really the same issue that we ran into with sound. We needed to know which sound daemon was configured for a each workstation. We started out trying to parse the lts.conf file on the server. But, for the reasons mentioned above, it didn't work very well. That's when we figured: "Let's ask the terminal". And we developed ltspinfod as a daemon that runs on the client. And we developed ltspinfo, which is a perl script that runs on the server, and will talk to the daemon. Run: ltspinfo -h ws001 -c SOUND_DAEMON and it will go out and ask terminal ws001 which sound daemon is configured. That's the kind of thing we could do for choosing a default printer. The problem right now is that only *some* of the variables in lts.conf are actually setup to be returned from ltspinfod. What we really need to do is modify the rc.sysinit script to export ALL of the settings from lts.conf, so that we can query any arbitrary settings and get the values. That way, you could just add any parameters you want to lts.conf, and then ask each workstation for the value of your new parameter. Seems like a reasonable thing to do, so i'll add it to my list of requests for the next time I update rc.sysinit. Thanks, Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Wed, 23 Mar 2005, Henry Burroughs wrote: > Jim, > > A little while back I wrote a script that changes the default printer > for a user based on which client/terminal they are logged on (I have a > spread out K12LTSP implementation). Right now admins have to edit a > file called /etc/sysconfig/ltsp_printers to associate terminals and > print ques (an extra step). Would it be possible for me to modify my > script so that it instead checks the lts.conf file for the > information...(You inspired me with the grouping) like so: > > [lslabQUE] > DEFAULT_PRINTER = lslab-hp > > [knslabQUE] > DEFAULT_PRINTER = knslab-hp > > #actual machine > [lslabn01] LIKE = lslabQUE > [lslabn02] LIKE = lslabQUE > #etc > > My next question is can I add my own options (ie: DEFAULT_PRINTER) to > lts.conf? If I can hack this together, it would make it easier for > people. I would use getltscfg in my profile.d script. Could we get > something like this included in the base LTSP or K12LTSP? > > Also, is there documentation under the wiki yet for this type of > configuration for the lts.conf (as well as possible options, etc)? > > Thanks! > > Henry Burroughs > Technology Director > Hilton Head Preparatory School > www.hhprep.org > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > From: Jim McQuillan > > To: caldodge at fpcc.net, Support list for opensource software in schools. > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] lts.conf query > > Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 15:10:19 -0500 > > > > > > > > On Tue, 22 Mar 2005, Calvin Dodge wrote: > > > > > Huck wrote: > > > > Is it possible to say in lts.conf > > > > > > > > [ws120 - ws129] > > > > XSERVER = sis > > > > > > > > > > > > [ws130 - ws139] > > > > XSERVER = ati > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ?? > > > > > > > > or do I have to explicitly set each one? > > > > > > > > or maybe something like > > > > > > > > sislab = ws120,ws121,ws122,ws123,ws124,ws125,ws126,ws127,ws128,ws129 > > > > > > > > and then > > > > > > > > [sislab] > > > > XSERVER = sis > > > > > > I'm having a little trouble determining this from the source code (100K of > > > Perl), but I doubt either of the above options is possible. > > > > Makes me wonder what source code you are looking at. I wrote getltscfg > > in C. > > And, btw, [ws120 - ws129] is unfortunately NOT valid. > > > > What you could do, is setup something like this: > > > > > > [DellGX1] > > XSERVER = sis > > > > [HPVectra] > > XSERVER = ati > > > > [ws120] LIKE = DellGX1 > > [ws121] LIKE = DellGX1 > > [ws122] LIKE = DellGX1 > > [ws123] LIKE = DellGX1 > > [ws130] LIKE = HPVectra > > [ws131] LIKE = HPVectra > > [ws131] LIKE = HPVectra > > > > > > Hope that helps, > > > > Jim McQuillan > > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The following script will add the appropriate entries to lts.conf > > > (n=120;while [ $n -le 129 ];do echo \[ws$n\];n=$((n+1));echo " XSERVER = sis > > > ";done) >>/opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf > > > > > > Calvin > > > > > > -- > > > Calvin Dodge > > > Certified Linux Bigot (tm) > > > http://www.caldodge.fpcc.net > > > > > > > > > From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Wed Mar 23 14:40:58 2005 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 08:40:58 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Hide users from graphical login Message-ID: <42417FFA.1090101@honeygroveisd.net> I'm using the graphical login chooser for my clients on my K12LTSP 4.0.1 system. I notice that "root" doesn't show up in the list of available users. How can I make other accounts invisible as well? -- C-ya, Mark ____ Bingo is the name of the dog on the Cracker Jack box. From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Wed Mar 23 15:26:06 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 07:26:06 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] lts.conf query In-Reply-To: <009801c52faf$9acee600$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <009801c52faf$9acee600$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: > I can see the point,I just don't know if it would help. In the case of > 20 machines not much of a problem. But say on my campus here I hope to > have about 350 machines by next year. So in that case if there were 50 > of half a dozen different types it may be usefull. But on the other > hand if you had to enter specific wsxxx under each group that would be > time consuming as well. Plus I don't get how only entering a > workstation name would have any consistancy. Can't workstation names > change at random depending on lease times and boot orders? I would > think you would have to have a list of mac addresses. And in that case > you would almost need some sort of database or spreadsheet to track mac > addresses, and at that point you could throw a script at an output from > the database and be done in seconds. For what it's worth, you can download the Symbiont workstation manager software (free)--I really like what it does in this regard. You can create a "profile" for a certain type of workstation, and then just assign that profile to new machines that get added. I did a 60-machine install last month with 5 or 6 different hardware configurations, and it was a snap. Has other nice "gui" features for display, keyboard, and mouse configurations. Also allows you to "group" machines, say from a classroom, for easy organization, and to easily name workstations based on their mac addresses. Steve -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Mar 23 15:28:44 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:28:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Help - possible hacking of our NFS/NIS LTSP server In-Reply-To: References: <200503221403.j2ME3V828229@downeast.net> <,> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, March 22, 2005 at 5:58 PM +0000 wrote: >well it looks like someone compromised our NFS/NIS server. > >Someone has reported to UNET that our server was trying this ssh login >brute force attack. What is odd the report was on March 19 and the UNET >folks looked today and didn't see anything. > >What can I do to look for this script or hack? How do I make sure it >doesn't happen, if it happens again, they filter out that server and our >entire LTSP system relies on that machine. > >I did find a test account logged in under odd circumstances, so I killed >the processes and deleted the test account. But I worry about what damage >may be done. > >thanks for any advice >Shane Shane....where's your firewall in all this? I sincerely hope that you don't have your LTSP server connected directly to the internet. Just to let you know what I do....I have an SME server as my gateway/filter/firewall. (www.contribs.org) (IPCop is also a good one) Then...everything else is behind that. This makes me much less vulnerable to attack. SME server uses a template approach to modifying files....for example....on a typical RedHat box (Fedora)...I can edit smb.conf....then restart samba and the changes are there. In SME I cannot do that....if I edit smb.conf....the changes won't stick....they only stick if I edit the proper template fragment and expand it. It's very hard to do any permanent damage. Not only that I have installed rkhunter which keeps a look out for "root kits". I access my other boxes that are behind the SME firewall using port-forwarding....if I use a non-standard port and forward accordingly to another machine on the inside...for the most part a port scanner simply gets lost or at least very difficult to find. Not only that....the hackers can attack the firewall, but may find it next to impossible to attack anything behind it. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Wed Mar 23 15:38:55 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 07:38:55 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] DPORT-1067 is being ignored -- SOLVED In-Reply-To: <20050323104515.20562.qmail@web41605.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050323104515.20562.qmail@web41605.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 02:45:15 -0800 (PST), Rob Owens wrote: > Removing the quotes did it. Thank you all very much. > DHCP is now working on port 1067. Just as a point of interest, I had to set up a k12ltsp network like this recently, and while I have been used to using the universal boot disk for workstations that the school wants to use in dual boot mode (k12 with floppy in, Windows with floppy out), I couldn't do that with port 1067--at least, I couldn't see a way to convert the universal boot drivers to all used 1067. So I had to identify the right driver for each old pc the school had. What I did was put in the universal boot floppy, and even though it was trying port 67, it still gave me the name of the driver that it found it could use for the pc. Then I went to the etherboot site and configured that particular driver with 1067, put it on a floppy for that particular pc. As it turned out, it only took a few drivers, since the school had put in fairly standardized nic cards. Steve -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed Mar 23 16:16:14 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 08:16:14 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] lts.conf query In-Reply-To: <009801c52faf$9acee600$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <009801c52faf$9acee600$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <4241964E.70102@paasda.org> Jim Kronebusch wrote: Plus I don't get how only entering a > workstation name would have any consistancy. Can't workstation names > change at random depending on lease times and boot orders? I'm not sure on the whole DHCP leases and stuff... but not a single one of my thin clients has changed workstation names since July(the date they went into production status). And I've personally crashed the server twice(fiddling with stuff I aught not fiddle with on a production server ;) Thank Les for pointing me to BackupPC which makes recovery a snap! I thought lts.conf or whatever looked at it was merely a script and usually in scripts I thought you had the ability to do what I was thinking: maclab = ws101,ws102,... I'm getting a bug for wanting to learn REAL programming instead of the meager baby programming I know atm. --Huck From caldodge at fpcc.net Wed Mar 23 16:52:26 2005 From: caldodge at fpcc.net (Calvin Dodge) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 09:52:26 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] lts.conf query In-Reply-To: <4241964E.70102@paasda.org> References: <009801c52faf$9acee600$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> <4241964E.70102@paasda.org> Message-ID: <20050323165226.GB10861@fpcc.net> On Wed, Mar 23, 2005 at 08:16:14AM -0800, Huck wrote: > > Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Plus I don't get how only entering a > >workstation name would have any consistancy. Can't workstation names > >change at random depending on lease times and boot orders? > > I'm not sure on the whole DHCP leases and stuff... > but not a single one of my thin clients has changed workstation names > since July(the date they went into production status). DHCP tries to give workstations the same IP addresses each time - using the info it's stored in /var/lib/dhcp/dhcpd.leases. My experience has been that this changes only for portable computers which have been taken to other DHCP-based networks, then brought back home. > And I've personally crashed the server twice(fiddling with stuff I aught > not fiddle with on a production server ;) Thank Les for pointing me to > BackupPC which makes recovery a snap! Speaking of that, I have a gentle hint for those using recent Dell Poweredge rackmount servers (like my employer's 2650s). DON'T RUN LM_SENSORS! The program doesn't appear to have damaged the server I tried it out on (which CAN happen with IBM Thinkpads), but it locked it up tight. > I thought lts.conf or whatever looked at it was merely a script and > usually in scripts I thought you had the ability to do what I was thinking: > > maclab = ws101,ws102,... lts.conf is just a configuration file, not a script. The various scripts in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc configure the terminals, using "getltscfg" to retrieve settings (first default, then terminal-specific). Getltscfg appears to be a binary compiled from a 100K Perl file, so one would probably need to be a Perl guru to 1) figure out how it picks out settings, and 2) how to change it to meet your request. My own opinion is that you're best off using the MAC addresses of the NICs - you can add them to lts.conf with the one-liner which I posted to this list recently, using the MAC address instead of the hostnames in the first part of the one-liner (for n in MA:CA:AD:DR:ES:S1 MA:CA:AD:DR:ES:S2 etc) You can get the MAC address by doing a "tail -f /var/lib/dhcp/dhcpd.leases" or "tail -f /var/log/messages|grep DHCP" (as root), and then turning on the terminal in question. Calvin -- Calvin Dodge Certified Linux Bigot (tm) http://www.caldodge.fpcc.net From nickfmail4-lists at yahoo.com Wed Mar 23 18:03:10 2005 From: nickfmail4-lists at yahoo.com (Nick Fenger) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:03:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Managing usernames and passwords across 6 K12LTSP servers (NEWBIE) In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050323180310.21692.qmail@web60708.mail.yahoo.com> David, I found your HOWTO pdf at: http://www.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/ http://www.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/LDAP/The_SAMBA-LDAP_How-to.pdf Will this still get me going if I use the latest releases? Thanks, Nick --- David Trask wrote: > My choice? Make one of them the Samba/LDAP server > (smbldap) and simply > point all the others to that....if at all possible > connect them via a > gigabit backbone > > > nickfmail4-lists at yahoo.com on Tuesday, March 22, > 2005 at 8:11 PM +0000 > wrote: > >Hello, > > > >I am in the final stages of rolling out our 100% > free > >6 server, 30 client K12LTSP system. This has been > very > >easy thus far!!! > > > >I have 6 dual PIII 700 servers w/ 5 clients each > that > >I need to keep username and passwords synchronized > so > >students can access files anywhere in the school. I > >understand the NFS stuff but I am not sure if I > should > >use NIS, smbldap, Openldap, LDAP, etc... It seems > >copying /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow would work but > I > >am not sure how to do this either (rsync, ssh???) > If > >that is indeed the quickest way to get going before > >the end of spring break then all I might need is a > >sample script/command that does this for my 6 > servers. > >Otherwise, if someone can direct me toward NIS or > LDAP > >I can start learning those since one of these seem > to > >be the long term solution. > > > >I am new to Linux but have learned a tremendous > amount > >through online HOWTO's since starting this project > in > >November. > > > >Thanks in advance, > > > >Nick Fenger > >Math/Science Teacher and "The guy who does the > >computer stuff" > >Trillium Charter School > >Portland, OR > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Mar 23 19:04:53 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 14:04:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Managing usernames and passwords across 6 K12LTSP=?ISO-8859-1?Q? servers_=28NEWBIE?= In-Reply-To: <20050323180310.21692.qmail@web60708.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050323180310.21692.qmail@web60708.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: nickfmail4-lists at yahoo.com on Wednesday, March 23, 2005 at 1:03 PM +0000 wrote: >David, > >I found your HOWTO pdf at: >http://www.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/ > >http://www.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/LDAP/The_SAMBA-LDAP_How-to.pdf > >Will this still get me going if I use the latest >releases? > >Thanks, > >Nick go to http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/smbldap/ for the latest David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From mailinglists-after-041101_reply-not-possible at hpc.dk Wed Mar 23 20:42:01 2005 From: mailinglists-after-041101_reply-not-possible at hpc.dk (Henning Wangerin) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 21:42:01 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Managing usernames and passwords across 6 K12LTSP servers=?ISO-8859-1?Q? =28NEWBIE=29?= In-Reply-To: References: <20050323011159.80358.qmail@web60703.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1111610520.3929.205.camel@server.ltsp> On Wed, 2005-03-23 at 04:01, David Trask wrote: > My choice? Make one of them the Samba/LDAP server (smbldap) and simply Why samba? To me it sounds like a clean K12 install with no winblows install, so a simple nfs sharing would do it. But I might be wrong ;-) > point all the others to that....if at all possible connect them via a > gigabit backbone Sure. The higher bandwitdh the better. But I'd think that a 100Mb switched backbone should be able to cope with it. -- Henning Wangerin From cwt137 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 23 21:00:27 2005 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:00:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Managing usernames and passwords across 6 K12LTSP servers (NEWBIE) In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050323210027.19795.qmail@web30305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You want to put in place the most scalable/versatile solution possible without doing too much extra work. If you just put in the LDAP server and don't configure SAMBA, what happens if some day they get some windows boxes? They can't be integrated into the Linux environment that easy. So do the Samba/LDAP solution and forget about Samba. Then if some windows PCs ever show up, you'll be happy Samba is setup. Chris --- Henning Wangerin wrote: > On Wed, 2005-03-23 at 04:01, David Trask wrote: > > My choice? Make one of them the Samba/LDAP server > (smbldap) and simply > > Why samba? > > To me it sounds like a clean K12 install with no > winblows install, so a > simple nfs sharing would do it. But I might be wrong > ;-) > > > point all the others to that....if at all possible > connect them via a > > gigabit backbone > > Sure. The higher bandwitdh the better. > > But I'd think that a 100Mb switched backbone should > be able to cope with > it. > > > -- > Henning Wangerin > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Wed Mar 23 22:03:47 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 16:03:47 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Managing usernames and passwords across 6 K12LTSP servers=?ISO-8859-1?Q? =28NEWBIE=29?= In-Reply-To: <1111610520.3929.205.camel@server.ltsp> References: <20050323011159.80358.qmail@web60703.mail.yahoo.com> <1111610520.3929.205.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <1111615427.26588.10.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-03-23 at 14:42, Henning Wangerin wrote: > On Wed, 2005-03-23 at 04:01, David Trask wrote: > > My choice? Make one of them the Samba/LDAP server (smbldap) and simply > > Why samba? > > To me it sounds like a clean K12 install with no winblows install, so a > simple nfs sharing would do it. But I might be wrong ;-) If you follow the directions for the samba/ldap setup you'll end up with LDAP authentication for Linux logins that will keep your NFS user ids consistent and with no extra work you will be able to let windows users log into the same domain (via samba) with the same logins and permissions. Even if you don't use windows clients now it might be handy to already have it set up later. > > point all the others to that....if at all possible connect them via a > > gigabit backbone > > Sure. The higher bandwitdh the better. > > But I'd think that a 100Mb switched backbone should be able to cope with > it. There are 30 clients, which is about the point where people start to notice the difference with a gig server uplink. However if they are split into smaller numbers each behind a 2-Nic'd server then it probably doesn't make much difference. There is not as much traffic to the home directories which will be over the backbone as to the clients which will be isolated in smaller groups. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Mar 23 23:11:27 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:11:27 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] lts.conf query In-Reply-To: <20050323165226.GB10861@fpcc.net> References: <009801c52faf$9acee600$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> <4241964E.70102@paasda.org> <20050323165226.GB10861@fpcc.net> Message-ID: <20050323230044.M56176@winonacotter.org> > My own opinion is that you're best off using the MAC addresses of > the NICs - you can add them to lts.conf with the one-liner which I > posted to this list recently, using the MAC address instead of the > hostnames in the first part of the one-liner (for n in > MA:CA:AD:DR:ES:S1 MA:CA:AD:DR:ES:S2 etc) With my minimal knowledge I agree. Given the nature of DHCP the only way to gaurantee you'll always get the same settings would be by MAC address. DHCP when asked for an IP will write the associated IP address and Mac address to the dhcpd.leases file. This is given a time to live of usually 12 hours. After the time to live expires the entry will still stay in the dhcpd.leases file unless another workstation needs a lease and no more free IP addresses are available from the range in the dhcpd.conf file. At that point it will overwrite the oldest lease with the new one. So I suppose if you have a dhcpd.conf range of 254 addresses and only 30 terminals I guess in theory you should be safe as long as the dhcpd.leases file is never cleared. But you will most likely be pulling your hair out if this ever happened and have to completely redo your lts.conf. So that is why my vote is with using mac addresses. If anyone knows the above to be incorrect please correct me. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From drloomis at cox-internet.com Thu Mar 24 01:55:11 2005 From: drloomis at cox-internet.com (Dr. Daniel Loomis) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:55:11 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] How do I stop attempted logins Message-ID: <1111629311.3483.17.camel@harpo.curmudgeon.not> Terrel, Thanks for the help with the Asian subnets and my limited knowledge of subnetting. As you suggested, I added the following to my iptables firewall in /etc/sysconfig and restarted iptables: -A INPUT -s 58.0.0.0/7 -p tcp --dport 22 -j DROP -A INPUT -s 60.0.0.0/7 -p tcp --dport 22 -j DROP -A INPUT -s 124.0.0.0/7 -p tcp --dport 22 -j DROP -A INPUT -s 126.0.0.0/8 -p tcp --dport 22 -j DROP -A INPUT -s 169.208.0.0/12 -p tcp --dport 22 -j DROP -A INPUT -s 196.192.0.0/13 -p tcp --dport 22 -j DROP -A INPUT -s 202.0.0.0/7 -p tcp --dport 22 -j DROP -A INPUT -s 210.0.0.0/7 -p tcp --dport 22 -j DROP -A INPUT -s 218.0.0.0/7 -p tcp --dport 22 -j DROP -A INPUT -s 220.0.0.0/7 -p tcp --dport 22 -j DROP -A INPUT -s 222.0.0.0/8 -p tcp --dport 22 -j DROP . . . plus a few other common subnets that have been trying to hack in. Just curious. If I really wanted to close things off to all but one particular home ip address on port 22, would the rule look something like the following? -A INPUT -s !xx.xx.xx.xx/32 -p tcp --dport 22 -j DROP Thanks again. Daniel From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Thu Mar 24 02:23:28 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 21:23:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Managing usernames and passwords across 6 K12LTSP=?ISO-8859-1?Q? servers =28NEWBIE?= In-Reply-To: <1111615427.26588.10.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <20050323011159.80358.qmail@web60703.mail.yahoo.com> < > < > <1111610520.3929.205.camel@server.ltsp> <1111615427.26588.10.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, March 23, 2005 at 5:03 PM +0000 wrote: >> But I'd think that a 100Mb switched backbone should be able to cope with >> it. It'll cope, but when you're moving data between servers...such as a home dir mounted via NFS....with gigabit it will seem like the native HD...with 100baseT....it'll be slower. Trust me...I've done it both ways and now run gigabit between the servers. Big improvement. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From mailinglists-after-041101_reply-not-possible at hpc.dk Thu Mar 24 08:57:35 2005 From: mailinglists-after-041101_reply-not-possible at hpc.dk (Henning Wangerin) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:57:35 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Managing usernames and passwords across 6 K12LTSP servers=?ISO-8859-1?Q? =28NEWBIE=29?= In-Reply-To: <1111615427.26588.10.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <20050323011159.80358.qmail@web60703.mail.yahoo.com> <1111610520.3929.205.camel@server.ltsp> <1111615427.26588.10.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1111654654.3929.214.camel@server.ltsp> On Wed, 2005-03-23 at 23:03, Les Mikesell wrote: > If you follow the directions for the samba/ldap setup you'll end up with > LDAP authentication for Linux logins that will keep your NFS user ids > consistent and with no extra work you will be able to let windows users > log into the same domain (via samba) with the same logins and > permissions. Even if you don't use windows clients now it might be > handy to already have it set up later. Ok. I'm runing only linux + a little *bsd, so samba is no use to me. Thanx for the tip. > There are 30 clients, which is about the point where people start to > notice the difference with a gig server uplink. However if they Running 30 thin clients realy needs more than 100Mb, I'm sure. > are split into smaller numbers each behind a 2-Nic'd server then it > probably doesn't make much difference. The originale question was about a 5-server-setup each with 5 clients on separate subnets, so there is no X on the backbone. > There is not as much traffic > to the home directories which will be over the backbone as to the > clients which will be isolated in smaller groups. Just my point also. But if it is possible a 1Gb backbone would be preferable ;-) -- Henning Wangerin From mailinglists-after-041101_reply-not-possible at hpc.dk Thu Mar 24 08:58:05 2005 From: mailinglists-after-041101_reply-not-possible at hpc.dk (Henning Wangerin) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:58:05 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Managing usernames and passwords across 6 K12LTSP=?ISO-8859-1?Q? servers =28NEWBIE?= In-Reply-To: References: <20050323011159.80358.qmail@web60703.mail.yahoo.com> < > < > <1111610520.3929.205.camel@server.ltsp> <1111615427.26588.10.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1111654684.3929.217.camel@server.ltsp> On Thu, 2005-03-24 at 03:23, David Trask wrote: > It'll cope, but when you're moving data between servers...such as a home > dir mounted via NFS....with gigabit it will seem like the native HD...with > 100baseT....it'll be slower. Trust me...I've done it both ways and now > run gigabit between the servers. Big improvement. Ok. Ofcourse the more LTSP-servers fetching /home the more bandwidth is need. Thanx -- Med venstre h?nd Henning Wangerin kaa at horuphavspejderne.dk Tropsleder, H?ruphavSpejderne -- Henning Wangerin From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 24 11:09:17 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 03:09:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] wireless package -- nfs server not responding Message-ID: <20050324110918.36270.qmail@web41627.mail.yahoo.com> I'm using the wireless package on a laptop, but using pcmcia wired ethernet. On bootup, the card's name flashes by on the screen, so I assume it is recognized and compatible. Maybe I shouldn't assume that. Anyway, booting ceases after the following messages (they may not be exact, as they are from my memory): doing pivot_root nfs server not responding, still trying nfs server not responding, still trying Somewhere in there it correctly identifies the IP address of the NFS server, which is the same as my main ltsp server. This server works properly when booting a desktop PC thin client, so I'm pretty sure it's ok. I think the problem is either 1) settings specific to the wireless package or 2) hardware conflicts Any ideas? The pcmcia ethernet card is a Xircom something (sorry I don't have the exact model #). It is 10/100 base. -Rob __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Mar 24 11:08:47 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 11:08:47 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] wireless package -- nfs server not responding Message-ID: <200503241004.j2OA4aN11009@downeast.net> /etc/hsts is such that nfs can clearly map ip address to name?chuck > I'm using the wireless package on a laptop, but using > pcmcia wired ethernet. On bootup, the card's name > flashes by on the screen, so I assume it is recognized > and compatible. Maybe I shouldn't assume that. > Anyway, booting ceases after the following messages > (they may not be exact, as they are from my memory): > > doing pivot_root > nfs server not responding, still trying > nfs server not responding, still trying > > Somewhere in there it correctly identifies the IP > address of the NFS server, which is the same as my > main ltsp server. > > This server works properly when booting a desktop PC > thin client, so I'm pretty sure it's ok. I think the > problem is either > > 1) settings specific to the wireless package > or > 2) hardware conflicts > > Any ideas? The pcmcia ethernet card is a Xircom > something (sorry I don't have the exact model #). It > is 10/100 base. > > -Rob > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Make Yahoo! your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 24 11:22:00 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 03:22:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] wireless package -- nfs server not responding In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050324112200.95368.qmail@web41625.mail.yahoo.com> Yes. I added the laptop client to /etc/hosts. In the course of my troubleshooting, I assigned the laptop a static IP and instructed dhcp to send it kernel vmlinuz-2.4.19-ltsp-1 after I had no luck with vmlinuz-2.4.26-ltsp-2. But that didn't seem to make any difference. I tried it because I saw something flash by during the bootup sequence that referenced the ltsp-1 kernel, but after booting numerous times, I still have't been able to read it fully. It goes by too fast. -Rob --- cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > /etc/hsts is such that nfs can clearly map ip > address to name?chuck > > > I'm using the wireless package on a laptop, but > using > > pcmcia wired ethernet. On bootup, the card's name > > flashes by on the screen, so I assume it is > recognized > > and compatible. Maybe I shouldn't assume that. > > Anyway, booting ceases after the following > messages > > (they may not be exact, as they are from my > memory): > > > > doing pivot_root > > nfs server not responding, still trying > > nfs server not responding, still trying > > > > Somewhere in there it correctly identifies the IP > > address of the NFS server, which is the same as my > > main ltsp server. > > > > This server works properly when booting a desktop > PC > > thin client, so I'm pretty sure it's ok. I think > the > > problem is either > > > > 1) settings specific to the wireless package > > or > > 2) hardware conflicts > > > > Any ideas? The pcmcia ethernet card is a Xircom > > something (sorry I don't have the exact model #). > It > > is 10/100 base. > > > > -Rob > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Make Yahoo! your home page > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 24 11:37:29 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 03:37:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] local hard drive access? Message-ID: <20050324113729.52716.qmail@web41601.mail.yahoo.com> I just read a bit about local device access on the wiki. It didn't mention hard drive access, but is it possible? It might be nice to be able to use a terminal with a local hard drive for backing up data from the server. -Rob __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 24 11:39:57 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 03:39:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] wireless package -- nfs server not responding In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050324113957.10176.qmail@web41613.mail.yahoo.com> I just thought of something. Since the wireless package actually boots off of the floppy, am I even supposed to get a kernel from the server at all? -Rob --- Rob Owens wrote: > I'm using the wireless package on a laptop, but > using > pcmcia wired ethernet. On bootup, the card's name > flashes by on the screen, so I assume it is > recognized > and compatible. Maybe I shouldn't assume that. > Anyway, booting ceases after the following messages > (they may not be exact, as they are from my memory): > > doing pivot_root > nfs server not responding, still trying > nfs server not responding, still trying > > Somewhere in there it correctly identifies the IP > address of the NFS server, which is the same as my > main ltsp server. > > This server works properly when booting a desktop PC > thin client, so I'm pretty sure it's ok. I think > the > problem is either > > 1) settings specific to the wireless package > or > 2) hardware conflicts > > Any ideas? The pcmcia ethernet card is a Xircom > something (sorry I don't have the exact model #). > It > is 10/100 base. > > -Rob > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Make Yahoo! your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Mar 24 13:10:28 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 13:10:28 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] wireless package -- nfs server not responding Message-ID: <200503241206.j2OC6HN26714@downeast.net> the kernel is on the floppy.. > I just thought of something. Since the wireless > package actually boots off of the floppy, am I even > supposed to get a kernel from the server at all? > > -Rob > > --- Rob Owens wrote: > > I'm using the wireless package on a laptop, but > > using > > pcmcia wired ethernet. On bootup, the card's name > > flashes by on the screen, so I assume it is > > recognized > > and compatible. Maybe I shouldn't assume that. > > Anyway, booting ceases after the following messages > > (they may not be exact, as they are from my memory): > > > > doing pivot_root > > nfs server not responding, still trying > > nfs server not responding, still trying > > > > Somewhere in there it correctly identifies the IP > > address of the NFS server, which is the same as my > > main ltsp server. > > > > This server works properly when booting a desktop PC > > thin client, so I'm pretty sure it's ok. I think > > the > > problem is either > > > > 1) settings specific to the wireless package > > or > > 2) hardware conflicts > > > > Any ideas? The pcmcia ethernet card is a Xircom > > something (sorry I don't have the exact model #). > > It > > is 10/100 base. > > > > -Rob > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Make Yahoo! your home page > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Make Yahoo! your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From swift at msad52.k12.me.us Thu Mar 24 14:43:53 2005 From: swift at msad52.k12.me.us (Randall Swift) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:43:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] IMC Samba Console Message-ID: I have installed the samba console from idealx on my Smba/LDAP server and have no idea how to run it. There readme and installation links do not work. Could anyone help me get started. Thanks Randy Swift Network Administrator Leavitt Area High School Turner, Maine 04282 (207)225-3533 swift at msad52.k12.me.us From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Thu Mar 24 14:58:14 2005 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:58:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mysterious server reboot Message-ID: <1111676294.21489.10.camel@phoenix.hhp> Right after my class this morning while I was working on the server, all the clients in my room went gray screen, and then I noticed a broadcast message from root saying the server is going down for a reboot NOW!. The problem with this: I did not issue a reboot for the server. The server has been up for over 60 days with no problems. It is a K12LTSP 4.1.1 server. I've run chkrootkit now and nothing has shown up, as well as "rpm -Va" I've got a number of S & 5 files, but most of them are stuff that I've installed/modified or .so files... I am at a loss at the moment. The server is internal only, there are no outside direct connections to it. Either I've been hacked or some student has found a way to reboot the server. Help would be greatly appreciated!!! Henry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dalen at czexan.net Thu Mar 24 15:03:17 2005 From: dalen at czexan.net (Dale Sykora) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:03:17 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Mysterious server reboot In-Reply-To: <1111676294.21489.10.camel@phoenix.hhp> References: <1111676294.21489.10.camel@phoenix.hhp> Message-ID: <4242D6B5.4020007@czexan.net> Henry Burroughs wrote: > Right after my class this morning while I was working on the server, all > the clients in my room went gray screen, and then I noticed a broadcast > message from root saying the server is going down for a reboot NOW!. > I am at a loss at the moment. The server is internal only, there are no > outside direct connections to it. Either I've been hacked or some > student has found a way to reboot the server. It might also be a software bug or hardware error. Have you looked at /var/log/messages a few lines above the reboot announcement? You might find some clues there. Dale From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Thu Mar 24 15:06:27 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 15:06:27 -0000 Subject: [K12OSN] IMC Samba Console References: Message-ID: <032401c53083$0d5f3700$65c8a8c0@brianwork> Randall Swift wrote: > I have installed the samba console from idealx on my Smba/LDAP server > and have no idea how to run it. There readme and installation links > do not work. Could anyone help me get started. Thanks > > > > Randy Swift > Network Administrator > Leavitt Area High School > Turner, Maine 04282 > (207)225-3533 > swift at msad52.k12.me.us > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see Have you started it and pointed your browser at https://localhost:8080 ? Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From veewee77 at alltel.net Thu Mar 24 15:11:11 2005 From: veewee77 at alltel.net (Doug Simpson) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:11:11 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Mysterious server reboot In-Reply-To: <1111676294.21489.10.camel@phoenix.hhp> References: <1111676294.21489.10.camel@phoenix.hhp> Message-ID: <4242D88F.4010704@alltel.net> One of the clients selected "REBOOT" instead of logoff. DS Henry Burroughs wrote: > Right after my class this morning while I was working on the server, > all the clients in my room went gray screen, and then I noticed a > broadcast message from root saying the server is going down for a > reboot NOW!. > > The problem with this: I did not issue a reboot for the server. The > server has been up for over 60 days with no problems. It is a K12LTSP > 4.1.1 server. I've run chkrootkit now and nothing has shown up, as > well as "rpm -Va" I've got a number of S & 5 files, but most of them > are stuff that I've installed/modified or .so files... > > I am at a loss at the moment. The server is internal only, there are > no outside direct connections to it. Either I've been hacked or some > student has found a way to reboot the server. > > Help would be greatly appreciated!!! > > Henry > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Thu Mar 24 15:13:29 2005 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:13:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mysterious server reboot In-Reply-To: <4242D6B5.4020007@czexan.net> References: <1111676294.21489.10.camel@phoenix.hhp> <4242D6B5.4020007@czexan.net> Message-ID: <1111677209.21489.21.camel@phoenix.hhp> Here's a snippet of /var/log/messages Mar 24 08:49:10 discovery samba(pam_unix)[11194]: session closed for user gbeall Mar 24 08:49:13 discovery gdm[13709]: Ping to lslabn11.media.local:0 failed, whacking display! Mar 24 08:49:30 discovery xinetd[14397]: warning: can't get client address: Transport endpoint is not connected Mar 24 08:49:30 discovery gconfd (rladd-13378): Exiting Mar 24 08:49:31 discovery rpc.mountd: export request from 192.168.0.5 Mar 24 08:49:31 discovery fam[14397]: gnome-vfs user invalid request number 7 Mar 24 08:49:31 discovery fam[14397]: gnome-vfs user invalid request number 4 Mar 24 08:49:31 discovery fam[14397]: gnome-vfs user invalid request number 5 Mar 24 08:49:31 discovery fam[14397]: gnome-vfs user invalid request number 6 Mar 24 08:49:32 discovery gdm(pam_unix)[5808]: session closed for user rladd Mar 24 08:50:36 discovery smbd[9371]: nss_ldap: reconnecting to LDAP server... Mar 24 08:50:36 discovery smbd[9371]: nss_ldap: reconnected to LDAP server after 1 attempt(s) Mar 24 08:50:55 librarytc2 -- MARK -- Mar 24 08:52:15 discovery samba(pam_unix)[14555]: session opened for user bstrecansky by (uid=0) Mar 24 08:52:35 flounge -- MARK -- Mar 24 08:52:51 flounge2 -- MARK -- Mar 24 08:52:52 discovery init: open(/dev/pts/0): No such file or directory Mar 24 08:52:52 discovery shutdown: shutting down for system reboot Mar 24 08:52:52 discovery init: Switching to runlevel: 6 Mar 24 08:52:52 discovery gconfd (arlibrarytc2-29318): Received signal 15, shutting down cleanly It did crash during the reboot process (I had to finish powering it off so I could bring it back up).... but that wouldn't explain the log entry... Would this be temperature related? I've got an IBM eServer xSeries as the TS. Henry On Thu, 2005-03-24 at 10:03, Dale Sykora wrote: > Henry Burroughs wrote: > > Right after my class this morning while I was working on the server, all > > the clients in my room went gray screen, and then I noticed a broadcast > > message from root saying the server is going down for a reboot NOW!. > > > I am at a loss at the moment. The server is internal only, there are no > > outside direct connections to it. Either I've been hacked or some > > student has found a way to reboot the server. > > It might also be a software bug or hardware error. Have you looked at > /var/log/messages a few lines above the reboot announcement? You might > find some clues there. > > Dale From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Thu Mar 24 15:30:13 2005 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:30:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mysterious server reboot - SOLVED! In-Reply-To: <4242D88F.4010704@alltel.net> References: <1111676294.21489.10.camel@phoenix.hhp> <4242D88F.4010704@alltel.net> Message-ID: <1111678213.21489.38.camel@phoenix.hhp> Occam's Razor: The Education Technology Coordinator was the culprit. We have KVM setup w/ 2 Win2k servers and the Linux TS. Well, I had left the display on the Linux TS, and I think she did CTRL-ALT-DELETE before she switched the display over to the Win2k server, which since the Linux TS was in Text Virtual Console rebooted the server. Speaking of which, I'm going to disable that in /etc/inittab right now... EVIL line!!!! # Trap CTRL-ALT-DELETE ca::ctrlaltdel:/sbin/shutdown -t3 -r now Thanks for everyone's help! I knew this was the place I could turn to! Henry Burroughs Technology Director Hilton Head Preparatory School www.hhprep.org On Thu, 2005-03-24 at 10:11, Doug Simpson wrote: > One of the clients selected "REBOOT" instead of logoff. > > DS > > > Henry Burroughs wrote: > > > Right after my class this morning while I was working on the server, > > all the clients in my room went gray screen, and then I noticed a > > broadcast message from root saying the server is going down for a > > reboot NOW!. > > > > The problem with this: I did not issue a reboot for the server. The > > server has been up for over 60 days with no problems. It is a K12LTSP > > 4.1.1 server. I've run chkrootkit now and nothing has shown up, as > > well as "rpm -Va" I've got a number of S & 5 files, but most of them > > are stuff that I've installed/modified or .so files... > > > > I am at a loss at the moment. The server is internal only, there are > > no outside direct connections to it. Either I've been hacked or some > > student has found a way to reboot the server. > > > > Help would be greatly appreciated!!! > > > > Henry > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Mar 24 16:32:06 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 08:32:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] repository for K12LTSP 4.2.1 pre-release #1 Message-ID: I have a short TODO list of minor packaging clean-ups which I should have finished up by this weekend. If all goes well I'll release 4.2.1 on Monday. I created a new repository containing the packages for K12LTSP 4.2.1 pre1. You can access the repository by upgrading to a new k12ltsp-release package: rpm -Uhv ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.1beta/updates/k12ltsp-release-4.2.1-4.noarch.rpm After running this command, you can run "yum update" to install the K12LTSP beta packages. If you would prefer the full ISOs, you can fetch them from: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.1beta/iso/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-beta/ . There are still a couple big questions lingering which I cannot answer, I'm going to need your help: * Are the limits set in /etc/profile.d/ulimit.sh too high or too low for the users of your terminal server? * If you have old Mac hardware you would like to use as terminals, does the PPC support work for you? * Are the ldap-samba configuration scripts ready for inclusion? Speak now or forever hold your peace ;-) -Eric From caldodge at fpcc.net Thu Mar 24 16:56:00 2005 From: caldodge at fpcc.net (Calvin Dodge) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:56:00 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] repository for K12LTSP 4.2.1 pre-release #1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050324165600.GA14545@fpcc.net> On Thu, Mar 24, 2005 at 08:32:06AM -0800, Eric Harrison wrote: > > There are still a couple big questions lingering which I cannot answer, > I'm going to need your help: > > * Are the limits set in /etc/profile.d/ulimit.sh too high or too low for > the users of your terminal server? My experience suggests that process limit (-u) is a little too low if running KDE (possibly for GNOME, too). It might be OK for XFCE or Icewm. The virtual memory limit (-v) bit me recently, but I doubt many other LTSP servers are also being used for Tomcat/Struts development. > * If you have old Mac hardware you would like to use as terminals, does > the PPC support work for you? I'd be interested in knowing if anyone has tried PPC support with those itty-bitty Kuroboxen (http://kurobox.com/). Calvin -- Calvin Dodge Certified Linux Bigot (tm) http://www.caldodge.fpcc.net From petre at maltzen.net Thu Mar 24 17:14:34 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 11:14:34 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] repository for K12LTSP 4.2.1 pre-release #1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4242F57A.4090504@maltzen.net> This is rather after-the-fact I suppose, but I consider the support for Mac/PPC clients to a MAJOR enhancement--MANY thanks to Jim, Chuck, Jim, et al--especially considering this is a project focused on schools where Macs are more common. That being so, perhaps this release should be numbered 4.3 rather than 4.2.1. I'm thinking about this in the context of conversations with school people that involve recommending they checkout K12LTSP so they can make better use of their old Macs; I think it will be easier to say "Get version 4.3" and have them remember it than 4.2.1. OTOH, since this is the first run at incoporating the PPC support, and will therefore probably have a few bugs, perhaps we should save 4.3 for a 'stable' version, even though it presently sounds pretty solid. Just some food for thought. Petre Eric Harrison wrote: > > I have a short TODO list of minor packaging clean-ups which I should have > finished up by this weekend. If all goes well I'll release 4.2.1 on > Monday. > > > I created a new repository containing the packages for K12LTSP 4.2.1 pre1. > You can access the repository by upgrading to a new k12ltsp-release > package: > > rpm -Uhv > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.1beta/updates/k12ltsp-release-4.2.1-4.noarch.rpm > > > After running this command, you can run "yum update" to install the K12LTSP > beta packages. > > If you would prefer the full ISOs, you can fetch them from: > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.1beta/iso/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-beta/ . > > > There are still a couple big questions lingering which I cannot answer, > I'm going to need your help: > > * Are the limits set in /etc/profile.d/ulimit.sh too high or too low for > the users of your terminal server? > > * If you have old Mac hardware you would like to use as terminals, does > the PPC support work for you? > > * Are the ldap-samba configuration scripts ready for inclusion? > > Speak now or forever hold your peace ;-) > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From spowers at inlandlakes.org Thu Mar 24 17:22:17 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 12:22:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Seti... Message-ID: <4242F749.9040502@inlandlakes.org> Ok, waaaay OT question. :) I'm trying to make an rc file so that my thin clients will run seti at home in the background. (Sneaky, eh?) I can get the program to start, make a folder based on the hostname, and start to crunch numbers -- but for some reason, the process is killed off shortly after the thin client boots. I can't seem to keep it running. If I go to the local shell of the thin client, the rc file loads and runs happily. If I don't put an & after the setiathome executable, the thin client hangs and won't continue booting... Ugh. Here's my current script: ---- #!/bin/bash mkdir /tmp/swapfiles/$HOSTNAME cd /tmp/swapfiles/$HOSTNAME cp /etc/user_info.sah . /usr/bin/setiathome & ---- Any ideas? -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From ken.tech1 at gmail.com Thu Mar 24 17:47:13 2005 From: ken.tech1 at gmail.com (Ken Johnson) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:47:13 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Squid Question Message-ID: <1eb89cf205032409476dd8d99c@mail.gmail.com> I need to filter Internet access for a k12LTSP network in a church youth center. I have a few questions. I am looking at Censornet, SquidGaurd and DansGuardian. I have never used any of these before. 1) Does the proxy run on a separate machine, or should it run on the k12LTSP server? 2) Can someone point me to some step by step installation instructions? 3) What are some pros and cons of each? 4) Are any of these filters really effective (after all its a church). Thank you From jwalsh at pbtigers.org Thu Mar 24 17:52:34 2005 From: jwalsh at pbtigers.org (Jason Walsh) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 12:52:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Seti... In-Reply-To: <4242F749.9040502@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <000001c5309a$4430e8c0$1701fb0a@pbtigers.org> When I launch mine and *nix plat form I do it like so: ./seti > /dev/null 2>&1 & So, any standard output is dumped (/dev/null) and any error output (2>) is set to standard output (/dev/null). See if that works. Jason Walsh Technology Coordinator Precious Blood Catholic School -----Original Message----- From: Shawn Powers [mailto:spowers at inlandlakes.org] Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 12:22 PM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Seti... Ok, waaaay OT question. :) I'm trying to make an rc file so that my thin clients will run seti at home in the background. (Sneaky, eh?) I can get the program to start, make a folder based on the hostname, and start to crunch numbers -- but for some reason, the process is killed off shortly after the thin client boots. I can't seem to keep it running. If I go to the local shell of the thin client, the rc file loads and runs happily. If I don't put an & after the setiathome executable, the thin client hangs and won't continue booting... Ugh. Here's my current script: ---- #!/bin/bash mkdir /tmp/swapfiles/$HOSTNAME cd /tmp/swapfiles/$HOSTNAME cp /etc/user_info.sah . /usr/bin/setiathome & ---- Any ideas? -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 24 17:55:30 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:55:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Seti... In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050324175531.24321.qmail@web41608.mail.yahoo.com> I assume you're talking about running seti at home as a local app on the terminals, right? If not then you'll have a bunch of instances of seti at home all running on the server, which seems wasteful. -Rob --- Shawn Powers wrote: > Ok, waaaay OT question. :) > > I'm trying to make an rc file so that my thin > clients will run seti at home > in the background. (Sneaky, eh?) > > I can get the program to start, make a folder based > on the hostname, and > start to crunch numbers -- but for some reason, the > process is killed > off shortly after the thin client boots. I can't > seem to keep it running. > > If I go to the local shell of the thin client, the > rc file loads and > runs happily. If I don't put an & after the > setiathome executable, the > thin client hangs and won't continue booting... > Ugh. Here's my current > script: > ---- > #!/bin/bash > > mkdir /tmp/swapfiles/$HOSTNAME > cd /tmp/swapfiles/$HOSTNAME > cp /etc/user_info.sah . > /usr/bin/setiathome & > ---- > > Any ideas? > > > -- > Shawn Powers > Technology Director > Inland Lakes Schools > PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 > FAX: 509-356-7024 > spowers at inlandlakes.org > http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org > > -- reasons>-- > The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, > sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, > cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, > OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream > preference, > or anything else I might infer are not the > views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much > everything > I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should > be > considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Mar 24 17:59:02 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:59:02 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Squid Question In-Reply-To: <1eb89cf205032409476dd8d99c@mail.gmail.com> References: <1eb89cf205032409476dd8d99c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4242FFE6.1060907@paasda.org> not for pictures really =) for text-garbage and blacklisting...they are only as good as your blacklists and rules... dansguardian does have 'weighted phrase lists' something like: sex == 10 pts., nasty = 10 pts, boobs = 10 pts. etc.. and if any 1 page has 90 pts. (or whatever you set) then the page is not displayed... also has -pts.. so education = -10pts, learning = -10pts. etc.. It works well where I am...images are the hard thing to block for me... because angeliclady.jpg might be J-lo with it all hang'n out or something, or a picture of a "female angel"...anyway one could argue that you aught not need any filter at a church except for 'accidental' www.whitehouse.com sort of typo's...in which case most of the blacklists suffice. --Huck Ken Johnson wrote: > I need to filter Internet access for a k12LTSP network in a church youth center. > > I have a few questions. I am looking at Censornet, SquidGaurd and > DansGuardian. I have never used any of these before. > > 1) Does the proxy run on a separate machine, or should it run on the > k12LTSP server? > > 2) Can someone point me to some step by step installation instructions? > > 3) What are some pros and cons of each? > > 4) Are any of these filters really effective (after all its a church). > > Thank you > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Mar 24 18:02:47 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:02:47 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Seti... In-Reply-To: <20050324175531.24321.qmail@web41608.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050324175531.24321.qmail@web41608.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <424300C7.8060309@paasda.org> Rob Owens wrote: > I assume you're talking about running seti at home as a > local app on the terminals, right? If not then you'll > have a bunch of instances of seti at home all running on > the server, which seems wasteful. Not really wasteful if he puts it in a cron to be run each day after-hours =) on a big nasty server that does nothing from 5pm-6am, and weekends =) --Huck From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Mar 24 18:07:39 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 12:07:39 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] repository for K12LTSP 4.2.1 pre-release #1 In-Reply-To: <4242F57A.4090504@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <002401c5309c$5deef520$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > OTOH, since this is the first > run at incoporating the PPC support, and will therefore > probably have a few bugs, > perhaps we should save 4.3 for a 'stable' version, even > though it presently sounds > pretty solid. Just some food for thought. I still have some glitches. I have switched to using all single NIC installs and that may be why. But I still can't get them to always network boot by just holding the N key at startup. Sometime the Open Firmware tweak needs a ,yaboot at the end and sometimes not. If I could figure out the reason for inconsistancy here I would be a little happier. Also there is NO sound support yet to the thin clients. None. That may still be a big hangup for some schools (although not for me personally). I have booted every New World mac in my possession with only a couple hitches. The Indigo and Blueberry machines need a custom XF86Config file. But the same file seems to work for both, however the glitch with this is when going from i386 to ppc I get a message saying that my X keyboard settings conflict. Since my custom conf for ppc uses X settings and my standard i386 uses generated Gnome defaults I get a small window asking which settings I'd like to use when switching between platforms. No big deal to me but confusing for the more illiterate. If I just yank the keyboard settings from the custom XF86 X won't boot. I sent Eric this custom file to include in /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc/XF86Config-4.indigo and asked for some commented text in /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc/lts.conf with a quick explanation for use. But I can happily say that I have tested the following and had them work: PowerBook Bronze Keyboard iBook Tangerine iBook Blueberry iBook Indigo iBook Snow iMac Bondi iMac Indigo (Custom XF86) iMac Blueberry (Custom XF86) iMac Desklamp style That should cover old machines in most all schools. I still have Beige G3 towers, G3 All-in-One's, G3 Blue and White towers, G3 Graphite towers, and PowerBook Wallstreet versions to test. If anyone wants me to do a quick check on any of these let me know. Other last item is tell potential users to plan on buying mice. If you thought single button mice were annoying with a Mac just try them in Linux, you'll be bald in a week. At least with Mac OS you can CTRL+Click for a right click menu, but that trick doesn't seem to work with Linux. I think the only major hangups right now are the inconsistancy with the Open Firmware needing the ,yaboot and not always being able to boot with the N key. Secondary to me is no sound. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From johnny at msad41.us Thu Mar 24 17:56:30 2005 From: johnny at msad41.us (John T. Leonard) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 12:56:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] repository for K12LTSP 4.2.1 pre-release #1 In-Reply-To: <4242F57A.4090504@maltzen.net> References: <4242F57A.4090504@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1111686990.4242ff4e88816@www.msad41.us> Hi Eric...I did try a couple of older beige G3 all in ones with the slot load cds but..they started the net boot but stalled trying to load...I really haven't had a chance to take a good look though....oh Chuck!! ..J > Eric Harrison wrote: > > > > I have a short TODO list of minor packaging clean-ups which I should have > > finished up by this weekend. If all goes well I'll release 4.2.1 on > > Monday. > > > > > > I created a new repository containing the packages for K12LTSP 4.2.1 > pre1. > > You can access the repository by upgrading to a new k12ltsp-release > > package: > > > > rpm -Uhv > > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.1beta/updates/k12ltsp-release-4.2.1-4.noarch.rpm > > > > > > > After running this command, you can run "yum update" to install the > K12LTSP > > beta packages. > > > > If you would prefer the full ISOs, you can fetch them from: > > > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.1beta/iso/ > > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-beta/ . > > > > > > There are still a couple big questions lingering which I cannot answer, > > I'm going to need your help: > > > > * Are the limits set in /etc/profile.d/ulimit.sh too high or too low > for > > the users of your terminal server? > > > > * If you have old Mac hardware you would like to use as terminals, does > > the PPC support work for you? > > > > * Are the ldap-samba configuration scripts ready for inclusion? > > > > Speak now or forever hold your peace ;-) > > > > -Eric > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > John T. Leonard Technology Coordinator MSAD No. 41 Penquis Valley HS/MS 48 Penquis Drive Milo, Maine 04463 Ph:207-943-7346 Ext.211 Ph:207-943-5332 Fax:207-943-0962 From haysja at sages.us Thu Mar 24 18:11:24 2005 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 12:11:24 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Squid Question In-Reply-To: <1eb89cf205032409476dd8d99c@mail.gmail.com> References: <1eb89cf205032409476dd8d99c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1111687884.424302cc36514@sages.us> We use DansGuardian on an IPCop machine. If you can, use a separate box and install IPCop (http://www.ipcop.org) Install the Addonz module and then install Cop+ and CopFilter. Dansguardian is in the Cop+ module. This will give you the filtering you need PLUS intrusion detection, Spam Filtering, Virus filtering, and more. And the price is right..... :) Network <----> K12LTSP <----> IPCOP <---------->Internet Mansy, many K-12 schools around here are set up this way with DansGuardian on IPCop. Quoting Ken Johnson : > I need to filter Internet access for a k12LTSP network in a church youth > center. > > I have a few questions. I am looking at Censornet, SquidGaurd and > DansGuardian. I have never used any of these before. > > 1) Does the proxy run on a separate machine, or should it run on the > k12LTSP server? > > 2) Can someone point me to some step by step installation instructions? > > 3) What are some pros and cons of each? > > 4) Are any of these filters really effective (after all its a church). > > Thank you > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > ----------------------------------------- Jim Hays Technology Director Monticello CUSD#25 Monticello, IL 61856 ----------------------------------------- From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 24 18:21:45 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:21:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Seti... In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050324182146.29308.qmail@web41608.mail.yahoo.com> what I meant was that rather than setting it up to run "on the terminals", just set it up once to run on the server, which is the same thing as running it "on the terminals" anyway. I think it would be really slick if you had the terminals running it as a local app all day long, while all the "real work" was being done on the server. -Rob --- Huck wrote: > Rob Owens wrote: > > I assume you're talking about running seti at home as > a > > local app on the terminals, right? If not then > you'll > > have a bunch of instances of seti at home all running > on > > the server, which seems wasteful. > > Not really wasteful if he puts it in a cron to be > run each day > after-hours =) on a big nasty server that does > nothing from 5pm-6am, and > weekends =) > > --Huck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From spowers at inlandlakes.org Thu Mar 24 18:25:27 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 13:25:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Seti... In-Reply-To: <20050324175531.24321.qmail@web41608.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050324175531.24321.qmail@web41608.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42430617.9080003@inlandlakes.org> Rob Owens wrote: > I assume you're talking about running seti at home as a > local app on the terminals, right? Yes. the script is /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.d/seti, and in my lts.conf file, the I have RCFILE_03 = "seti" so that the client grabs the work unit, and crunches away. I don't know why the process just dies. I have tried to use screen to make it load, but get errors about "you need to be connected to a terminal" The magical folder creation is nice, because if an IP address is handed to another client, it just takes over the work unit of the last thin client. :) Anyone know how to get a shell script to stay running on a local client? Thanks, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From haynest at mchsi.com Thu Mar 24 18:01:28 2005 From: haynest at mchsi.com (Thomas E. Haynes) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 13:01:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Squid Question In-Reply-To: <1eb89cf205032409476dd8d99c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200503241837.j2OIbN2p016635@mx3.redhat.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Ken Johnson > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 12:47 PM > To: K12LTSP > Subject: [K12OSN] Squid Question > > I need to filter Internet access for a k12LTSP network in a > church youth center. > > I have a few questions. I am looking at Censornet, SquidGaurd > and DansGuardian. I have never used any of these before. > > 1) Does the proxy run on a separate machine, or should it run > on the k12LTSP server? > > 2) Can someone point me to some step by step installation > instructions? > > 3) What are some pros and cons of each? > > 4) Are any of these filters really effective (after all its > a church). I have used IP Cop before, and it worked well on the home network. Right now I am playing with ClarkConnect 3, and it has filtering, transparent proxy, etc. It also can drop p2p packets. I would try one of these on a lowend retired desktop. Regards... Tom From ramonklown at pop.com.br Thu Mar 24 19:23:51 2005 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 16:23:51 -0300 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] k12 4.2.0 cluster Message-ID: <60804.200.159.149.201.1111692231.squirrel@popmail6.pop.com.br> Any one knows of any links I can use to make a cluster between the server and thin clients (PXE)? Thanks, Ramon From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Mar 24 19:20:11 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 19:20:11 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] repository for K12LTSP 4.2.1 pre-release #1 Message-ID: <200503241815.j2OIFvN21938@downeast.net> john: can you run ethereal on the server while this happens? there ought to be roughly 593 packets downloading the kernel..etc chuck > Hi Eric...I did try a couple of older beige G3 all in ones with the slot load > cds but..they started the net boot but stalled trying to load...I really haven't > had a chance to take a good look though....oh Chuck!! ..J > > > > Eric Harrison wrote: > > > > > > I have a short TODO list of minor packaging clean-ups which I should have > > > finished up by this weekend. If all goes well I'll release 4.2.1 on > > > Monday. > > > > > > > > > I created a new repository containing the packages for K12LTSP 4.2.1 > > pre1. > > > You can access the repository by upgrading to a new k12ltsp-release > > > package: > > > > > > rpm -Uhv > > > > > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.1beta/updates/k12ltsp-release-4.2.1-4.noarch.rpm > > > > > > > > > > > After running this command, you can run "yum update" to install the > > K12LTSP > > > beta packages. > > > > > > If you would prefer the full ISOs, you can fetch them from: > > > > > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.1beta/iso/ > > > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-beta/ . > > > > > > > > > There are still a couple big questions lingering which I cannot answer, > > > I'm going to need your help: > > > > > > * Are the limits set in /etc/profile.d/ulimit.sh too high or too low > > for > > > the users of your terminal server? > > > > > > * If you have old Mac hardware you would like to use as terminals, does > > > the PPC support work for you? > > > > > > * Are the ldap-samba configuration scripts ready for inclusion? > > > > > > Speak now or forever hold your peace ;-) > > > > > > -Eric > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > John T. Leonard > Technology Coordinator > MSAD No. 41 > Penquis Valley HS/MS > 48 Penquis Drive > Milo, Maine 04463 > Ph:207-943-7346 Ext.211 > Ph:207-943-5332 > Fax:207-943-0962 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From johnny at msad41.us Thu Mar 24 19:37:09 2005 From: johnny at msad41.us (John T. Leonard) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:37:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] repository for K12LTSP 4.2.1 pre-release #1 In-Reply-To: <200503241815.j2OIFvN21938@downeast.net> References: <200503241815.j2OIFvN21938@downeast.net> Message-ID: <1111693029.424316e57ebde@www.msad41.us> I'll set one up in the a.m. and see what happens...inservice tomorrow so I should have a few minutes to give it a go...J >Quoting cliebow at downeast.net: > john: can you run ethereal on the server while this happens? there ought to > be roughly 593 packets downloading the kernel..etc chuck > > Hi Eric...I did try a couple of older beige G3 all in ones with the slot > load > > cds but..they started the net boot but stalled trying to load...I really > haven't > > had a chance to take a good look though....oh Chuck!! ..J > > > > > > > Eric Harrison wrote: > > > > > > > > I have a short TODO list of minor packaging clean-ups which I should > have > > > > finished up by this weekend. If all goes well I'll release 4.2.1 on > > > > Monday. > > > > > > > > > > > > I created a new repository containing the packages for K12LTSP 4.2.1 > > > pre1. > > > > You can access the repository by upgrading to a new k12ltsp-release > > > > package: > > > > > > > > rpm -Uhv > > > > > > > > > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.1beta/updates/k12ltsp-release-4.2.1-4.noarch.rpm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After running this command, you can run "yum update" to install the > > > K12LTSP > > > > beta packages. > > > > > > > > If you would prefer the full ISOs, you can fetch them from: > > > > > > > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.1beta/iso/ > > > > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-beta/ . > > > > > > > > > > > > There are still a couple big questions lingering which I cannot > answer, > > > > I'm going to need your help: > > > > > > > > * Are the limits set in /etc/profile.d/ulimit.sh too high or too > low > > > for > > > > the users of your terminal server? > > > > > > > > * If you have old Mac hardware you would like to use as terminals, > does > > > > the PPC support work for you? > > > > > > > > * Are the ldap-samba configuration scripts ready for inclusion? > > > > > > > > Speak now or forever hold your peace ;-) > > > > > > > > -Eric > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > John T. Leonard > > Technology Coordinator > > MSAD No. 41 > > Penquis Valley HS/MS > > 48 Penquis Drive > > Milo, Maine 04463 > > Ph:207-943-7346 Ext.211 > > Ph:207-943-5332 > > Fax:207-943-0962 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > John T. Leonard Technology Coordinator MSAD No. 41 Penquis Valley HS/MS 48 Penquis Drive Milo, Maine 04463 Ph:207-943-7346 Ext.211 Ph:207-943-5332 Fax:207-943-0962 From cliebow at downeast.net Thu Mar 24 19:57:10 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 19:57:10 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] repository for K12LTSP 4.2.1 pre-release #1 Message-ID: <200503241852.j2OIquN27504@downeast.net> cool... > I'll set one up in the a.m. and see what happens...inservice tomorrow so I > should have a few minutes to give it a go...J > > >Quoting cliebow at downeast.net: > > > john: can you run ethereal on the server while this happens? there ought to > > be roughly 593 packets downloading the kernel..etc chuck > > > Hi Eric...I did try a couple of older beige G3 all in ones with the slot > > load > > > cds but..they started the net boot but stalled trying to load...I really > > haven't > > > had a chance to take a good look though....oh Chuck!! ..J > > > > > > > > > > Eric Harrison wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I have a short TODO list of minor packaging clean-ups which I should > > have > > > > > finished up by this weekend. If all goes well I'll release 4.2.1 on > > > > > Monday. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I created a new repository containing the packages for K12LTSP 4.2.1 > > > > pre1. > > > > > You can access the repository by upgrading to a new k12ltsp-release > > > > > package: > > > > > > > > > > rpm -Uhv > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.1beta/updates/k12ltsp-release-4.2.1-4.noarch.rpm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After running this command, you can run "yum update" to install the > > > > K12LTSP > > > > > beta packages. > > > > > > > > > > If you would prefer the full ISOs, you can fetch them from: > > > > > > > > > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.1beta/iso/ > > > > > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-beta/ . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are still a couple big questions lingering which I cannot > > answer, > > > > > I'm going to need your help: > > > > > > > > > > * Are the limits set in /etc/profile.d/ulimit.sh too high or too > > low > > > > for > > > > > the users of your terminal server? > > > > > > > > > > * If you have old Mac hardware you would like to use as terminals, > > does > > > > > the PPC support work for you? > > > > > > > > > > * Are the ldap-samba configuration scripts ready for inclusion? > > > > > > > > > > Speak now or forever hold your peace ;-) > > > > > > > > > > -Eric > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > > > > > John T. Leonard > > > Technology Coordinator > > > MSAD No. 41 > > > Penquis Valley HS/MS > > > 48 Penquis Drive > > > Milo, Maine 04463 > > > Ph:207-943-7346 Ext.211 > > > Ph:207-943-5332 > > > Fax:207-943-0962 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > > http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > John T. Leonard > Technology Coordinator > MSAD No. 41 > Penquis Valley HS/MS > 48 Penquis Drive > Milo, Maine 04463 > Ph:207-943-7346 Ext.211 > Ph:207-943-5332 > Fax:207-943-0962 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Mar 24 20:05:42 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 12:05:42 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] repository for K12LTSP 4.2.1 pre-release #1 In-Reply-To: <20050324165600.GA14545@fpcc.net> References: <20050324165600.GA14545@fpcc.net> Message-ID: <42431D96.4040409@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Calvin Dodge wrote: > On Thu, Mar 24, 2005 at 08:32:06AM -0800, Eric Harrison wrote: > >>There are still a couple big questions lingering which I cannot answer, >>I'm going to need your help: >> >> * Are the limits set in /etc/profile.d/ulimit.sh too high or too low for >> the users of your terminal server? > > > My experience suggests that process limit (-u) is a little too low if running KDE (possibly > for GNOME, too). It might be OK for XFCE or Icewm. > > The virtual memory limit (-v) bit me recently, but I doubt many other LTSP servers are also > being used for Tomcat/Struts development. I've been running my desktop w/o a problem. On my laptop, I doubled the settings and tried to bring it to its knees. It survived ok, so perhaps it would be best to err on the permissive side (we've been 100% permissive to this point). So I built a new package with the higher limits. For those of you with marginal servers & misbehaving students, is that too high? -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm all for the doubling. --Huck Eric Harrison wrote: > Calvin Dodge wrote: > >> On Thu, Mar 24, 2005 at 08:32:06AM -0800, Eric Harrison wrote: >> >>> There are still a couple big questions lingering which I cannot answer, >>> I'm going to need your help: >>> >>> * Are the limits set in /etc/profile.d/ulimit.sh too high or too low >>> for >>> the users of your terminal server? >> >> >> >> My experience suggests that process limit (-u) is a little too low if >> running KDE (possibly >> for GNOME, too). It might be OK for XFCE or Icewm. >> >> The virtual memory limit (-v) bit me recently, but I doubt many other >> LTSP servers are also >> being used for Tomcat/Struts development. > > > > I've been running my desktop w/o a problem. > > On my laptop, I doubled the settings and tried to bring it to its knees. > It survived ok, so perhaps it would be best to err on the permissive > side (we've been 100% permissive to this point). > > So I built a new package with the higher limits. For those of you with > marginal servers & misbehaving students, is that too high? > > > -Eric > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Mar 24 20:18:10 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 12:18:10 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] repository for K12LTSP 4.2.1 pre-release #1 In-Reply-To: <4242F57A.4090504@maltzen.net> References: <4242F57A.4090504@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <42432082.7000103@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Petre Scheie wrote: > This is rather after-the-fact I suppose, but I consider the support for > Mac/PPC clients to a MAJOR enhancement--MANY thanks to Jim, Chuck, Jim, > et al--especially considering this is a project focused on schools where > Macs are more common. That being so, perhaps this release should be > numbered 4.3 rather than 4.2.1. I'm thinking about this in the context > of conversations with school people that involve recommending they > checkout K12LTSP so they can make better use of their old Macs; I think > it will be easier to say "Get version 4.3" and have them remember it > than 4.2.1. OTOH, since this is the first run at incoporating the PPC > support, and will therefore probably have a few bugs, perhaps we should > save 4.3 for a 'stable' version, even though it presently sounds pretty > solid. Just some food for thought. > > Petre PPC support is indeed a major enhancement, but it really is a minor change from a distribution perspective. When I merge in the 4.2.1 changes into the 4.2.x repository, the PPC support will be available to those who currently have 4.2.0 installed. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From adammelancon at gmail.com Thu Mar 24 20:52:26 2005 From: adammelancon at gmail.com (Adam Melancon) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:52:26 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Squid Question In-Reply-To: <200503241837.j2OIbN2p016635@mx3.redhat.com> References: <1eb89cf205032409476dd8d99c@mail.gmail.com> <200503241837.j2OIbN2p016635@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4892876105032412521efb8fad@mail.gmail.com> Feel free to use the how-to I wrote up for our library system here in louisiana to get some info. It contains the step by step instructions on how I setup squidguard to replace our Iprism web filter. http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us/sysadminsite/squidguard/ It may have some information that could help out in any way you choose to go. On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 13:01:28 -0500, Thomas E. Haynes wrote: > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Ken Johnson > > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 12:47 PM > > To: K12LTSP > > Subject: [K12OSN] Squid Question > > > > I need to filter Internet access for a k12LTSP network in a > > church youth center. > > > > I have a few questions. I am looking at Censornet, SquidGaurd > > and DansGuardian. I have never used any of these before. > > > > 1) Does the proxy run on a separate machine, or should it run > > on the k12LTSP server? > > > > 2) Can someone point me to some step by step installation > > instructions? > > > > 3) What are some pros and cons of each? > > > > 4) Are any of these filters really effective (after all its > > a church). > > I have used IP Cop before, and it worked well on the home network. > > Right now I am playing with ClarkConnect 3, and it has filtering, > transparent proxy, etc. It also can drop p2p packets. > > I would try one of these on a lowend retired desktop. > > Regards... Tom > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Adam Melancon Work: http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us Personal: http://www.melancon.org From ann.butler at westernheights.k12.ok.us Thu Mar 24 20:53:26 2005 From: ann.butler at westernheights.k12.ok.us (Ann Butler) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:53:26 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Accelerated Reader and Star Reader programs Message-ID: Has anyone found anything that allows you to load up Accelerated Reader and Star onto your Linux boxes ?? That is the only hold back right now. Any suggestions on solving this problem. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From accessys at smart.net Thu Mar 24 20:57:55 2005 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 15:57:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] anyone in central Maryland/Baltimore?? In-Reply-To: <4892876105032412521efb8fad@mail.gmail.com> References: <1eb89cf205032409476dd8d99c@mail.gmail.com> <200503241837.j2OIbN2p016635@mx3.redhat.com> <4892876105032412521efb8fad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: have a parochial high school thinking about k12LTSP but they want to talk with and see a system in operation....preferably one using both mac and PC computers in the same system ??? anyone?? thanks Bob ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From lee at renarts.org Thu Mar 24 20:41:14 2005 From: lee at renarts.org (Lee Myrick) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 12:41:14 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Squid Question In-Reply-To: <1eb89cf205032409476dd8d99c@mail.gmail.com> References: <1eb89cf205032409476dd8d99c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <15a7ed178478489ef99fb3772a3ea3e8@renarts.org> I just set up Censornet on our network. Censornet basically IS Squid and Dansguardian. I do run it on a separate machine, but it's an old PIII right now. Works fine. Censornet's own documentation is quite good on how to install. I'd say the choice factor between Censornet and Squid/Dansguardian is how much you want to play with the system yourself. With Censornet, you mostly can't go into a file with Vim or Emacs and edit it, as it will be overwritten the next time you start Censornet. Censornet is also free, although you can purchase image-level filters and support (or donate to them once you're up and running successfully). Lee Myrick Information Technology Coordinator Renaissance Arts Academy lee at renarts.org http://www.renarts.org On Mar 24, 2005, at 9:47 AM, Ken Johnson wrote: > I need to filter Internet access for a k12LTSP network in a church > youth center. > > I have a few questions. I am looking at Censornet, SquidGaurd and > DansGuardian. I have never used any of these before. > > 1) Does the proxy run on a separate machine, or should it run on the > k12LTSP server? > > 2) Can someone point me to some step by step installation instructions? > > 3) What are some pros and cons of each? > > 4) Are any of these filters really effective (after all its a church). From adammelancon at gmail.com Thu Mar 24 21:24:34 2005 From: adammelancon at gmail.com (Adam Melancon) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 15:24:34 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Squid Question In-Reply-To: <15a7ed178478489ef99fb3772a3ea3e8@renarts.org> References: <1eb89cf205032409476dd8d99c@mail.gmail.com> <15a7ed178478489ef99fb3772a3ea3e8@renarts.org> Message-ID: <4892876105032413244fccf089@mail.gmail.com> Where do you get your filter list from with censornet, and is it updated daily? On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 12:41:14 -0800, Lee Myrick wrote: > I just set up Censornet on our network. Censornet basically IS Squid > and Dansguardian. I do run it on a separate machine, but it's an old > PIII right now. Works fine. Censornet's own documentation is quite good > on how to install. I'd say the choice factor between Censornet and > Squid/Dansguardian is how much you want to play with the system > yourself. With Censornet, you mostly can't go into a file with Vim or > Emacs and edit it, as it will be overwritten the next time you start > Censornet. Censornet is also free, although you can purchase > image-level filters and support (or donate to them once you're up and > running successfully). > > Lee Myrick > Information Technology Coordinator > Renaissance Arts Academy > lee at renarts.org > http://www.renarts.org > > > On Mar 24, 2005, at 9:47 AM, Ken Johnson wrote: > > > I need to filter Internet access for a k12LTSP network in a church > > youth center. > > > > I have a few questions. I am looking at Censornet, SquidGaurd and > > DansGuardian. I have never used any of these before. > > > > 1) Does the proxy run on a separate machine, or should it run on the > > k12LTSP server? > > > > 2) Can someone point me to some step by step installation instructions? > > > > 3) What are some pros and cons of each? > > > > 4) Are any of these filters really effective (after all its a church). > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Adam Melancon Work: http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us Personal: http://www.melancon.org From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Mar 24 21:55:43 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 15:55:43 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Squid Question In-Reply-To: <4892876105032412521efb8fad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <004201c530bc$39deba10$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Feel free to use the how-to I wrote up for our library system > here in louisiana to get some info. It contains the step by > step instructions on how I setup squidguard to replace our > Iprism web filter. > http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us/sysadminsite/squidguard/ > It may have some information that could help out in any way > you choose to go. I've used IP Cop in the past with Dansguardian which worked fine. But now I may be posed with a scenario that calls on a new solution. Next year I'll have a K12LTSP box with SAMBA/LDAP setup to run authentication for Linux Terminals, OSX, and Windows 2000/XP. Everything will require logins based on users from the SAMBA/LDAP setup. Now as far as content filtering goes we are looking towards a system that will require users to login before accessing the internet at all (or at least pull the current user from the machine). Then I need it to hand out custom filtering based off the user group they are assinged to in the SAMBA/LDAP. So if student1 logs into any machine on campus before they can browse any page on the internet they either login as student1 or the content filter pulls the information from the machine and automatically knows student1 is logged in. Then I need it to look at student1 and see they are in the Students group and hand out the filtering rules that apply to the Students group. Or if teacher1 logs in hand out rules for the Teacher group, etc. Then if at all possible I want the ability to break down logs by user and find out each specific users activity. I may need to know only attempts to access offending sites, but I may need to be able to find out every site student1 accessed on a given day. If anyone has a solution that provides this please let me know. I don't really care what distribution it is based off of or what hardware requirements are. I just want a Open Source solution that works. Thanks -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Mar 24 21:55:20 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 13:55:20 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Squid Question In-Reply-To: <004201c530bc$39deba10$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <004201c530bc$39deba10$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <42433748.9090002@paasda.org> DansGuardian has that capabilities I believe. it has some authentication deal for the proxy and you can limit based on username/ipaddress and some others I thought. --Huck Jim Kronebusch wrote: >>Feel free to use the how-to I wrote up for our library system >>here in louisiana to get some info. It contains the step by >>step instructions on how I setup squidguard to replace our >>Iprism web filter. >>http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us/sysadminsite/squidguard/ >>It may have some information that could help out in any way >>you choose to go. > > > I've used IP Cop in the past with Dansguardian which worked fine. But > now I may be posed with a scenario that calls on a new solution. > > Next year I'll have a K12LTSP box with SAMBA/LDAP setup to run > authentication for Linux Terminals, OSX, and Windows 2000/XP. > Everything will require logins based on users from the SAMBA/LDAP setup. > Now as far as content filtering goes we are looking towards a system > that will require users to login before accessing the internet at all > (or at least pull the current user from the machine). Then I need it to > hand out custom filtering based off the user group they are assinged to > in the SAMBA/LDAP. So if student1 logs into any machine on campus > before they can browse any page on the internet they either login as > student1 or the content filter pulls the information from the machine > and automatically knows student1 is logged in. Then I need it to look > at student1 and see they are in the Students group and hand out the > filtering rules that apply to the Students group. Or if teacher1 logs > in hand out rules for the Teacher group, etc. > > Then if at all possible I want the ability to break down logs by user > and find out each specific users activity. I may need to know only > attempts to access offending sites, but I may need to be able to find > out every site student1 accessed on a given day. > > If anyone has a solution that provides this please let me know. I don't > really care what distribution it is based off of or what hardware > requirements are. I just want a Open Source solution that works. > > Thanks > > From nickfmail4-lists at yahoo.com Thu Mar 24 22:06:53 2005 From: nickfmail4-lists at yahoo.com (Nick Fenger) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:06:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Managing usernames and passwords across 6 K12LTSP servers (NEWBIE In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050324220654.21510.qmail@web60702.mail.yahoo.com> > go to http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/smbldap/ > > for the latest David, I ran the smbldap-installer script of a fresh K12LTSP machine and all was successful up to: [root at server ~]# smbldap-useradd -m -a nick bash: smbldap-useradd: command not found I installed the latest samba-tools and that did not fix the problem. Nick --- David Trask wrote: > nickfmail4-lists at yahoo.com on Wednesday, March 23, > 2005 at 1:03 PM +0000 > wrote: > >David, > > > >I found your HOWTO pdf at: > >http://www.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/ > > > >http://www.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/LDAP/The_SAMBA-LDAP_How-to.pdf > > > >Will this still get me going if I use the latest > >releases? > > > >Thanks, > > > >Nick > > go to http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/smbldap/ > > for the latest > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > From steve.honeycutt at gmail.com Thu Mar 24 22:16:34 2005 From: steve.honeycutt at gmail.com (Steve Honeycutt) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 16:16:34 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Managing usernames and passwords across 6 K12LTSP servers (NEWBIE In-Reply-To: <20050324220654.21510.qmail@web60702.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050324220654.21510.qmail@web60702.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <61bfa7430503241416122e3e21@mail.gmail.com> > [root at server ~]# smbldap-useradd -m -a nick > bash: smbldap-useradd: command not found Take this with a grain of salt but I think your error is a spacing problem: I believe the command should be... (note the space between "smbldap" and "-useradd") smbldap -useradd If that's wrrrrrrrong, please don't shoot the messenger. ;^ ) -- Best Regards, Steve www.slicehaven.com From nickfmail4-lists at yahoo.com Thu Mar 24 22:17:11 2005 From: nickfmail4-lists at yahoo.com (Nick Fenger) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:17:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Managing usernames and passwords across 6 K12LTSP servers (NEWBIE In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050324221711.48888.qmail@web60703.mail.yahoo.com> Looks like it is a path problem - the following commands were successful: [root at server ~]# /opt/IDEALX/sbin/smbldap-useradd -m -a nick [root at server ~]# /opt/IDEALX/sbin/smbldap-passwd nick New password : Retype new password : > > go to http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/smbldap/ > > > > for the latest > > David, > > I ran the smbldap-installer script of a fresh > K12LTSP > machine and all was successful up to: > > [root at server ~]# smbldap-useradd -m -a nick > bash: smbldap-useradd: command not found > > I installed the latest samba-tools and that did not > fix the problem. > > Nick > > --- David Trask wrote: > > nickfmail4-lists at yahoo.com on Wednesday, March 23, > > 2005 at 1:03 PM +0000 > > wrote: > > >David, > > > > > >I found your HOWTO pdf at: > > >http://www.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/ > > > > > > >http://www.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/LDAP/The_SAMBA-LDAP_How-to.pdf > > > > > >Will this still get me going if I use the latest > > >releases? > > > > > >Thanks, > > > > > >Nick > > > > go to http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/smbldap/ > > > > for the latest > > > > David N. Trask > > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > > Vassalboro Community School > > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > > (207)923-3100 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Thu Mar 24 23:33:22 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 18:33:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Managing usernames and passwords across 6 K12LTSP=?ISO-8859-1?Q? servers_=28NEWBIE?= In-Reply-To: <61bfa7430503241416122e3e21@mail.gmail.com> References: <20050324220654.21510.qmail@web60702.mail.yahoo.com> <61bfa7430503241416122e3e21@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Steve Honeycutt on Thursday, March 24, 2005 at 5:16 PM +0000 wrote: >> [root at server ~]# smbldap-useradd -m -a nick >> bash: smbldap-useradd: command not found > >Take this with a grain of salt but I think your error is a spacing >problem: > >I believe the command should be... (note the space between "smbldap" >and "-useradd") > >smbldap -useradd > >If that's wrrrrrrrong, please don't shoot the messenger. ;^ ) Very wrong, but nice try anyway :-) the problem is that the command is not in the path....you need to cd /opt/IDEALX/sbin ./smbldap-useradd -m -a nick David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From tkaldahl at maplewoodacademy.org Thu Mar 24 18:19:39 2005 From: tkaldahl at maplewoodacademy.org (Tim Kaldahl) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 18:19:39 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Squid Question In-Reply-To: <004201c530bc$39deba10$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <004201c530bc$39deba10$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <200503241819.39183.tkaldahl@maplewoodacademy.org> On Thursday 24 March 2005 09:55 pm, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > 've used IP Cop in the past with Dansguardian which worked fine. ?But > now I may be posed with a scenario that calls on a new solution. > > Next year I'll have a K12LTSP box with SAMBA/LDAP setup to run > authentication for Linux Terminals, OSX, and Windows 2000/XP. > Everything will require logins based on users from the SAMBA/LDAP setup. > Now as far as content filtering goes we are looking towards a system > that will require users to login before accessing the internet at all > (or at least pull the current user from the machine). IPCOP 1.4.x has an advanced proxy addon that can authenticate against LDAP, Active Directory, or a local database. Unfortunately it won't work with COP+. I personally was not able to get it to authenticate against my AD, but I didn't have any time to play, and really am not that experienced with Linux networking. I have noticed that when COP+ can't update its blacklists it seems to take the whole proxy server down. FWIW Tim Kaldahl Maplewood Academy From nickfmail4-lists at yahoo.com Fri Mar 25 01:21:20 2005 From: nickfmail4-lists at yahoo.com (Nick Fenger) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 17:21:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Managing usernames and passwords across 6 K12LTSP servers (NEWBIE In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050325012120.86219.qmail@web60703.mail.yahoo.com> I cannot seem to use the accounts I created on the ldap/samba server on other K12LTSP Servers. I am wondering if I need to somehow get those servers to join the domain/authenticate? Here is where I stand: *Server 1 10.0.1.112* (Linux Samba/LDAP/K12LTSP Terminal Server) (using 2 net cards eth0,eth1) I am able to add users, groups, machines etc... fine. I can log in using those usernames and passwords on the server and via my 5 thin clients ( attached to eth0 192.168.0.1-254 ) *Server 2 10.0.1.113* (Linux K12LTSP Terminal Server)(using 2 net cards eth0,eth1) I mounted the server 1's exported home directory (put in fstab) I configured the automounter (not totally sure I was supposed to do this) I verified the home directories were mounted but I cannot log in as any of the ldap/samba users *FYI: Windows Machine 10.0.1.114* I can see my PDC in net neighborhood machine and access files with user root and root pwd. I have not tried to join the domain. Questions: Do I need to register/authenticate Server 2 with the PDC somehow before this will work? Do I need to add Server 2's machine name to the list o f users like the howto shows for windows machines? Final Question: My net setup is a bit different than the one shown on: http://technology.sau16.k12.nh.us/opnsrc/ My linux thin clients are not on the same net at the servers as you have shown. They are all on eth0 subnets on K12LTSP Servers - Will this require a different PDC confing? Thanks in Advance for helping me learn to get this going! Nick --- David Trask wrote: > nickfmail4-lists at yahoo.com on Wednesday, March 23, > 2005 at 1:03 PM +0000 > wrote: > >David, > > > >I found your HOWTO pdf at: > >http://www.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/ > > > >http://www.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/LDAP/The_SAMBA-LDAP_How-to.pdf > > > >Will this still get me going if I use the latest > >releases? > > > >Thanks, > > > >Nick > > go to http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/smbldap/ > > for the latest > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > From sudev at m4linux.com Fri Mar 25 01:36:54 2005 From: sudev at m4linux.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 07:06:54 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Mysterious server reboot In-Reply-To: <4242D88F.4010704@alltel.net> References: <1111676294.21489.10.camel@phoenix.hhp> <4242D88F.4010704@alltel.net> Message-ID: <1111714614.3403.14.camel@roop.ltsp> On Thu, 2005-03-24 at 09:11 -0600, Doug Simpson wrote: > One of the clients selected "REBOOT" instead of logoff. Does not work from client if you setup gdm.conf to allow only root to reboot / shutdown. See the login-screen menu from system setting or directly edit /etc/X11/gdm.gdm.conf -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From drloomis at cox-internet.com Fri Mar 25 03:06:23 2005 From: drloomis at cox-internet.com (Dr. Daniel Loomis) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 21:06:23 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Squid Question Message-ID: <1111719983.3507.9.camel@harpo.curmudgeon.not> Ken, There are no ironclad systems available to keep out all inappropriate materials when kids are determined to find them. I run SquidGuard on our LTSP server and run everything through a Fortinet firewall with commercial content filters. Even so, some of the young boys in our congregation still manage to find wild Springbreak and wet T-Shirt sites that have not been filtered. It is has to be a combination of content filters, parental involvement and denial of access to repeat offenders. Sadly, church labs are just as likely to have kids sharing urls that haven't been filtered yet as in the public schools. Then again, everyone knows that us church folk are all hyprocrits anyway! Dan From dwblue02 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 25 05:06:06 2005 From: dwblue02 at yahoo.com (David Whitmer) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 21:06:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Squid Question Message-ID: <20050325050606.79206.qmail@web31601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I use Censornet on my home lan, and also administer Censornet at my son's school. Censornet does overwrite files, as already mentioned. However, it provides template files that you can manually change (e.g. adding custom iptables rules) to preserve your changes through restarts. Censornet also has a web interface for managing users and workstations, reporting on web activity, and manual changes to blacklists and whitelists. I believe Censornet can also authenticate users against a Samba PDC for single signon setups. We don't use it that mode, though, so I'm afraid I can't answer any questions about getting that kind of setup working. HTH, David Whitmer __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From barry at yellowdog.com Fri Mar 25 15:41:53 2005 From: barry at yellowdog.com (Barry Solof) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 10:41:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Squid Question Message-ID: <53489.151.204.59.222.1111765313.squirrel@webmail.yellowdog.com> Hi, >hand out custom filtering based off the user group they are assinged to >in the SAMBA/LDAP. So if student1 logs into any machine on campus >before they can browse any page on the internet they either login as >student1 or the content filter pulls the information from the machine The latest version of IPCop (with addons) can authenticate users from an ldap server (Openldap, AD or eDirectory). It can also be pointed to a specific ldap group within the ldap directory. For example, on my network a user opening a browser must login (using the same credentials as their network login) AND be a member of the "Internet_Users" group. Everyone else gets rejected for Internet use. The squid and squidGuard logs seem to keep all the info that we need. IPCop installs in a few minutes. The addon for squidguard installs from a bash file in about a minute. You could have a test machine up and running pretty quickly. The one issue, though, is we don't have different levels of Internet access for different groups. On our network you either can use the Internet or you can't. Years ago we toyed with the idea of different levels of access for different groups but the solutions always seemed to be tied to the users IP number. We didn't want to give up DHCP. There is probably a way around this. Any squidguard gurus? From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri Mar 25 17:55:45 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:55:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Managing usernames and passwords across 6 K12LTSP=?ISO-8859-1?Q? servers_=28NEWBIE?= In-Reply-To: <20050325012120.86219.qmail@web60703.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050325012120.86219.qmail@web60703.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: First...you should use the LATEST version of smbldap-installer which is available here http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/smbldap or here > http://majen.net/smbldap/ You can simply run the script again and that will fix everything....you do not have to reinstall or anything (you should reboot after the script is done) More comments below: nickfmail4-lists at yahoo.com on Thursday, March 24, 2005 at 8:21 PM +0000 wrote: >I cannot seem to use the accounts I created on the >ldap/samba server on other K12LTSP Servers. I am >wondering if I need to somehow get those servers to >join the domain/authenticate? > >Here is where I stand: > >*Server 1 10.0.1.112* (Linux Samba/LDAP/K12LTSP >Terminal Server) (using 2 net cards eth0,eth1) >I am able to add users, groups, machines etc... fine. >I can log in using those usernames and passwords on >the server and via my 5 thin clients ( attached to >eth0 192.168.0.1-254 ) > >*Server 2 10.0.1.113* (Linux K12LTSP Terminal >Server)(using 2 net cards eth0,eth1) >I mounted the server 1's exported home directory (put >in fstab) >I configured the automounter (not totally sure I was >supposed to do this) You don't need to do this...once it's in fstab....the system mounts it when it boots. To mount it without rebooting...type mount -av This will mount all and let you know verbosely what is happening > >I verified the home directories were mounted but I >cannot log in as any of the ldap/samba user Did you run authconfig on this server as the documentation told you? You need to run authconfig and point this server to the IP of the Samba/LDAP server. > > >*FYI: Windows Machine 10.0.1.114* >I can see my PDC in net neighborhood machine and >access files with user root and root pwd. I have not >tried to join the domain. Again...you need to run authconfig...if you haven't yet > >Questions: >Do I need to register/authenticate Server 2 with the >PDC somehow before this will work? See my comment above > >Do I need to add Server 2's machine name to the list o >f users like the howto shows for windows machines? I don't think so, but try it and let me know...I doubt it as that machine is a linux box and not joining the domain...machine accounts are for domain members > > >Final Question: >My net setup is a bit different than the one shown on: >http://technology.sau16.k12.nh.us/opnsrc/ >My linux thin clients are not on the same net at the >servers as you have shown. They are all on eth0 >subnets on K12LTSP Servers - Will this require a >different PDC confing? > >Thanks in Advance for helping me learn to get this >going! > >Nick David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From nickfmail4-lists at yahoo.com Fri Mar 25 18:36:46 2005 From: nickfmail4-lists at yahoo.com (Nick Fenger) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 10:36:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Managing usernames and passwords across 6 K12LTSP servers (NEWBIE In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050325183646.48423.qmail@web60702.mail.yahoo.com> >--- Nick Fenger wrote: > >I verified the home directories were mounted but I > >cannot log in as any of the ldap/samba user > >--- David Trask wrote: > Did you run authconfig on this server as the > documentation told you? You > need to run authconfig and point this server to the > IP of the Samba/LDAP > server. I missed this step in your documentation because i did not do the "recommended reading" (Just skipped to step 18) I feel like one of my own students ;) I now see that Step 15 deals with authconfig. Possible documentation modificaiton to help future newbies: In your section called "Additional Notes about setting up clients,(add:K12LTSP Servers), roaming profiles, adding users in bulk, and so forth" Just before (or after) "NFS Exports," Add a section called: "Configuring Other K12LTSP Servers* for Authentication with LDAP Server" Instructions: Refer to back Step 15 to run authconfig on this server and substitute Server:127.0.0.1 with your LDAP server's (the server you ran the script on) ip address. *I am not sure if this should only be limited to servers using 2 card (eth0, eth1) configurations. Do you still need to do this when you are running servers with only 1 net card? Otherwise, the howto has been great! Thanks for putting the time in and sharing it! I am not at school today, be back in monday. I will let you know how things go... --- David Trask wrote: > First...you should use the LATEST version of > smbldap-installer which is > available here > http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/smbldap or here > > > http://majen.net/smbldap/ > > You can simply run the script again and that will > fix everything....you do > not have to reinstall or anything (you should reboot > after the script is > done) > > More comments below: > > nickfmail4-lists at yahoo.com on Thursday, March 24, > 2005 at 8:21 PM +0000 > wrote: > >I cannot seem to use the accounts I created on the > >ldap/samba server on other K12LTSP Servers. I am > >wondering if I need to somehow get those servers to > >join the domain/authenticate? > > > >Here is where I stand: > > > >*Server 1 10.0.1.112* (Linux Samba/LDAP/K12LTSP > >Terminal Server) (using 2 net cards eth0,eth1) > >I am able to add users, groups, machines etc... > fine. > >I can log in using those usernames and passwords on > >the server and via my 5 thin clients ( attached to > >eth0 192.168.0.1-254 ) > > > >*Server 2 10.0.1.113* (Linux K12LTSP Terminal > >Server)(using 2 net cards eth0,eth1) > >I mounted the server 1's exported home directory > (put > >in fstab) > >I configured the automounter (not totally sure I > was > >supposed to do this) > > You don't need to do this...once it's in > fstab....the system mounts it > when it boots. To mount it without rebooting...type > > mount -av > > This will mount all and let you know verbosely what > is happening > > > > >I verified the home directories were mounted but I > >cannot log in as any of the ldap/samba user > > Did you run authconfig on this server as the > documentation told you? You > need to run authconfig and point this server to the > IP of the Samba/LDAP > server. > > > > > >*FYI: Windows Machine 10.0.1.114* > >I can see my PDC in net neighborhood machine and > >access files with user root and root pwd. I have > not > >tried to join the domain. > > Again...you need to run authconfig...if you haven't > yet > > > >Questions: > >Do I need to register/authenticate Server 2 with > the > >PDC somehow before this will work? > > See my comment above > > > >Do I need to add Server 2's machine name to the > list o > >f users like the howto shows for windows machines? > > I don't think so, but try it and let me know...I > doubt it as that machine > is a linux box and not joining the domain...machine > accounts are for > domain members > > > > > >Final Question: > >My net setup is a bit different than the one shown > on: > >http://technology.sau16.k12.nh.us/opnsrc/ > >My linux thin clients are not on the same net at > the > >servers as you have shown. They are all on eth0 > >subnets on K12LTSP Servers - Will this require a > >different PDC confing? > > > >Thanks in Advance for helping me learn to get this > >going! > > > >Nick > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > From ken.tech1 at gmail.com Fri Mar 25 19:29:13 2005 From: ken.tech1 at gmail.com (Ken Johnson) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 14:29:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Quest Message-ID: <1eb89cf205032511297a6fac00@mail.gmail.com> I am looking for a server to support a 10 node K12LTSP network (that may be larger in the future). Since budget is a consideration, I am looking on EBay for a "previously loved" Dell Server. I plan on at least a gig of RAM, 2 If I can afford it. (is this enough?) I think I need SCSI (am I correct?) I have seen some servers that have SCSI drives ranging in size from 9 to 36 gig. Would 9 be enough? Seems a little small. I have never worked with SCSI drives.What pifalls are there? Budget does not permit making a mistake, I need to get a server that will work with K!2LTSP. Some have 3 drives and RAID- will this work with k12LTSP? Do I need this? Some require rack mounting (never done that either)- should I avoid those? The server will be placed in the same room as the workstations. Do I have to mount it on a rack? (Budget and Space are considerations.) Any advice would be appreciated. From haynest at mchsi.com Fri Mar 25 19:36:09 2005 From: haynest at mchsi.com (Thomas E. Haynes) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 14:36:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Quest In-Reply-To: <1eb89cf205032511297a6fac00@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200503251938.j2PJcdvp004847@mx3.redhat.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Ken Johnson > Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 2:29 PM > To: K12LTSP > Subject: [K12OSN] Server Quest > > I am looking for a server to support a 10 node K12LTSP > network (that may be larger in the future). > > Since budget is a consideration, I am looking on EBay for a > "previously loved" Dell Server. Figure out what you need in the way of memory, hd's and processing power. Folks on the list can advise here better than I can. I bought two quad 550 xeon Dell 6350s last weekend off ebay. They each have 4gb of ram and 3X18gb UWscsi drives with hardware raid. They were $500 each and cost $84 each to ship. There are deals to be had, and for my purposes, these servers are pretty nice. Something like this might have the horsepower for you, or you might need faster processors. I am not the expert. I can tell you that Fedora installed easily on these, and they were pretty trivial to set up. Regards... Tom From jim at rossberry.com Fri Mar 25 19:42:35 2005 From: jim at rossberry.com (Jim Wildman) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 14:42:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Server Quest In-Reply-To: <1eb89cf205032511297a6fac00@mail.gmail.com> References: <1eb89cf205032511297a6fac00@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 25 Mar 2005, Ken Johnson wrote: > > Some require rack mounting (never done that either)- should I avoid > those? The server will be placed in the same room as the workstations. > Do I have to mount it on a rack? (Budget and Space are > considerations.) > No, it can sit on a table BUT...servers (like Dells) tend to be LOUD. And they take quite a bit of power. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jim Wildman, CISSP, RHCE jim at rossberry.com http://www.rossberry.com "Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one." Thomas Paine From ericbrown at mi-spot.com Fri Mar 25 19:58:16 2005 From: ericbrown at mi-spot.com (Eric Brown) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 13:58:16 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Quest In-Reply-To: <200503251938.j2PJcdvp004847@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200503251946.j2PJkOJ01521@www.mi-spot.com> I would like to echo Tom's endorsement here. Last fall, I bought one of these Dell 6350's (Quad PIII 550, 3gb ram). I picked mine up for under $500 with shipping. I can easily run 22 clients off of this machine, running Gnome, Mozilla, Open Office, gimp. It's wonderful. These 6350's are all over ebay. I think multiple processors, along with a ton of ram is really the trick to a successful ltsp lab. Good luck. Eric -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Thomas E. Haynes Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 1:36 PM To: 'Ken Johnson'; 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Server Quest > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Ken Johnson > Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 2:29 PM > To: K12LTSP > Subject: [K12OSN] Server Quest > > I am looking for a server to support a 10 node K12LTSP > network (that may be larger in the future). > > Since budget is a consideration, I am looking on EBay for a > "previously loved" Dell Server. Figure out what you need in the way of memory, hd's and processing power. Folks on the list can advise here better than I can. I bought two quad 550 xeon Dell 6350s last weekend off ebay. They each have 4gb of ram and 3X18gb UWscsi drives with hardware raid. They were $500 each and cost $84 each to ship. There are deals to be had, and for my purposes, these servers are pretty nice. Something like this might have the horsepower for you, or you might need faster processors. I am not the expert. I can tell you that Fedora installed easily on these, and they were pretty trivial to set up. Regards... Tom _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From henryhartley at westat.com Fri Mar 25 20:01:54 2005 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 15:01:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Quest Message-ID: <446DDE75CFC7E1438061462F85557B0F075A5D23@remail2.westat.com> On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 at 2:43 PM Jim Wildman said: >> On Fri, 25 Mar 2005, Ken Johnson wrote: >> > >> > Some require rack mounting (never done that either)- should I >> > avoid those? The server will be placed in the same room as the >> > workstations. Do I have to mount it on a rack? (Budget and >> > Space are considerations.) >> >> No, it can sit on a table BUT...servers (like Dells) tend to be >> LOUD. And they take quite a bit of power. Not to mention that you're paying for an expensive case when you don't need to be. My (fairly limited) experience has been that all else being equal, the rack-mount case adds to the price. For the last few years I haven't bought any "built" computers but put mine together from components. The prices on cases seriously favor a reasonable sized tower ($60-$90) over a rack mount case ($150-$200). Naturally if the computer you want is only available in a rack case, that doesn't matter. And $100 isn't a huge amount of money. -- Henry From steve.honeycutt at gmail.com Fri Mar 25 21:34:25 2005 From: steve.honeycutt at gmail.com (Steve Honeycutt) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 15:34:25 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Quest In-Reply-To: <1eb89cf205032511297a6fac00@mail.gmail.com> References: <1eb89cf205032511297a6fac00@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <61bfa7430503251334f0247ed@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 14:29:13 -0500, Ken Johnson wrote: > I am looking for a server to support a 10 node K12LTSP network (that > may be larger in the future). > > Since budget is a consideration, I am looking on EBay for a > "previously loved" Dell Server. > > I plan on at least a gig of RAM, 2 If I can afford it. (is this enough?) > The more ram you can afford, the better. Your machines will be best served with more/faster ram than they would be with faster cpu's. > I think I need SCSI (am I correct?) I have seen some servers that have > SCSI drives ranging in size from 9 to 36 gig. Would 9 be enough? Seems > a little small. > SCSI drives are hands down better than IDE's. They cost more (if buying them new), but are far more reliable. > I have never worked with SCSI drives.What pifalls are there? Budget > does not permit making a mistake, I need to get a server that will > work with K!2LTSP. > Can't think of any downside... > Some have 3 drives and RAID- will this work with k12LTSP? Do I need this? > RAID is platform independent. Do you need it? - It's a very sweet thing to have in case of primary drive failures. > Some require rack mounting (never done that either)- should I avoid > those? The server will be placed in the same room as the workstations. > Do I have to mount it on a rack? (Budget and Space are > considerations.) > Rack's are easier to pilfer through if you need to work on your hardware. While racks are designed to be stored in a cabinet, it isn't a law. Being that the server will be in the same room as your lab, I'd probably go with a tower case. A couple of my friends keep their racks in a spare closet on a shelf, but they don't have a handful of kids wandering about aimlessly either... ;^ ) > Any advice would be appreciated. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Best Regards, Steve www.slicehaven.com From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri Mar 25 22:50:50 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 14:50:50 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] repository for K12LTSP 4.2.1 pre-release #1 In-Reply-To: <002401c5309c$5deef520$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <002401c5309c$5deef520$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <424495CA.90008@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Jim Kronebusch wrote: >>OTOH, since this is the first >>run at incoporating the PPC support, and will therefore >>probably have a few bugs, >>perhaps we should save 4.3 for a 'stable' version, even >>though it presently sounds >>pretty solid. Just some food for thought. > > I still have some glitches. I have switched to using all single NIC > installs and that may be why. But I still can't get them to always > network boot by just holding the N key at startup. Sometime the Open > Firmware tweak needs a ,yaboot at the end and sometimes not. If I could > figure out the reason for inconsistancy here I would be a little > happier. I think I have this figured out. I found a purple iMac at work today and tried booting it up. The "N" key trick didn't work & I had to append ",yaboot" to get it to boot. After doing a packet dump, I see that this particular iMac is using BOOTP rather than DHCP to boot. Since it is not using DHCP, we don't see the vendor tag and as such it tries to boot off the default i386 kernel (which doesn't work too well ;-). If you append ",yaboot", that tells it ignore the DHCP's suggested file and tftp "yaboot" instead, which does work. Option 211 has "AppleMacNC", so we should be able to key off of that in dhcpd.conf to load the right kernel by default. I'll work on it... (packet dump attached) > I sent Eric this custom file to include in > /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc/XF86Config-4.indigo and asked for some commented text > in /opt/ltsp/ppc/etc/lts.conf with a quick explanation for use. I think I have a fix for this as well. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: imac-bootp.dump Type: application/octet-stream Size: 382 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From admin at bookpeople.com Fri Mar 25 23:10:00 2005 From: admin at bookpeople.com (admin at bookpeople.com) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 17:10:00 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Quest In-Reply-To: <1eb89cf205032511297a6fac00@mail.gmail.com> References: <1eb89cf205032511297a6fac00@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42449A48.7080607@bookpeople.com> Ken, A LSTP environment *can* be managed with minimal equipment. We (the bookstore I work for) just started one and our current node count is 4 . Our kernel/xserver uses an AMD 1.8 proc with 512 RAM. I'll be the first to admit that it doesn't scream, but it gets the job done with icewm window manager (Gnome was really slow). I didn't have a budget to work with; only a pile of "anchors" that were planned for recycling. Ditto to everything that Tom and Steve have said: Get RAM! and a larger FSB will help your processor utilize the RAM. Processors: if you can get a multi-proc system, do it! If you get a *newer* p4, check to see if it supports hyper-threading (HT): current Linux kernels will support HT (*automatically* will notice it on the OS install). Otherwise, yes, you can find older dual and quad proc boxes for *cheap*. A word on Dell: I live in Austin, TX; I like to support Dell; I come across Dell hardware often; it's good stuff and most of it is easily recognized Linux. BUT, don't plan on piecing your system with Dell components unless you do some serious hardware research. That is, I just got done with my(personal) dual proc xeon and it's be a struggle all the way. I got a poweredge 1600 motherboard on ebay cheap (supports 604 sockets). The board wouldn't fit into *any* case; the board was 12x13" (std atx, but most *cheap* cases aren't that big, or offer no room besides). The mb tray wouldn't fit in the case, and the mb mounting points are not all in the std locate (only has four of *ten* screws holding it to the inside of the case). The back face plate wasn't std, so i had to custom fab one. the fan connectors on the mb are *special* and only accepting a Dell fan (read more mods). --point is, buy the whole box, not pieces! I could have saved myself a lot of grief if I wasn't so tight with the $. -my 2c Best Regards, -David Neimeyer Bookpeople Austin,TX ps. This is my first post, so, Hello All! Ken Johnson wrote: >I am looking for a server to support a 10 node K12LTSP network (that >may be larger in the future). > >Since budget is a consideration, I am looking on EBay for a >"previously loved" Dell Server. > >I plan on at least a gig of RAM, 2 If I can afford it. (is this enough?) > >I think I need SCSI (am I correct?) I have seen some servers that have >SCSI drives ranging in size from 9 to 36 gig. Would 9 be enough? Seems >a little small. > >I have never worked with SCSI drives.What pifalls are there? Budget >does not permit making a mistake, I need to get a server that will >work with K!2LTSP. > >Some have 3 drives and RAID- will this work with k12LTSP? Do I need this? > >Some require rack mounting (never done that either)- should I avoid >those? The server will be placed in the same room as the workstations. >Do I have to mount it on a rack? (Budget and Space are >considerations.) > >Any advice would be appreciated. > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From hick518 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 26 00:02:08 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 16:02:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] repository for K12LTSP 4.2.1 pre-release #1 In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050326000209.55578.qmail@web41628.mail.yahoo.com> I read up on this a bit and it seems there are many different opinions about how high these limits should be set. Are the limits easily changed via a GUI on the "start" menu? I think this would probably be a good idea, if the distro will be shipping with lower than usual limits. It'll put more control into the hands of the admin, who might just be a teacher who doesn't feel comfortable at the command line. -Rob --- Huck wrote: > I doubt it's even a problem with the most curious of > students. > I'm all for the doubling. > > --Huck > > Eric Harrison wrote: > > Calvin Dodge wrote: > > > >> On Thu, Mar 24, 2005 at 08:32:06AM -0800, Eric > Harrison wrote: > >> > >>> There are still a couple big questions lingering > which I cannot answer, > >>> I'm going to need your help: > >>> > >>> * Are the limits set in > /etc/profile.d/ulimit.sh too high or too low > >>> for > >>> the users of your terminal server? > >> > >> > >> > >> My experience suggests that process limit (-u) is > a little too low if > >> running KDE (possibly > >> for GNOME, too). It might be OK for XFCE or > Icewm. > >> > >> The virtual memory limit (-v) bit me recently, > but I doubt many other > >> LTSP servers are also > >> being used for Tomcat/Struts development. > > > > > > > > I've been running my desktop w/o a problem. > > > > On my laptop, I doubled the settings and tried to > bring it to its knees. > > It survived ok, so perhaps it would be best to > err on the permissive > > side (we've been 100% permissive to this point). > > > > So I built a new package with the higher limits. > For those of you with > > marginal servers & misbehaving students, is that > too high? > > > > > > -Eric > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From wparrott at gcps1.com Sat Mar 26 01:06:33 2005 From: wparrott at gcps1.com (William Parrott) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 20:06:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Accelerated Reader and Star Reader programs Message-ID: Ann, Are you running AR in a MAC or PC environment? I am exploring W.I.N.E. to see what existing apps will run from our PC environment. I was planning to test AR next week to see if it will run. Would be happy to let you know what I find out. William William Parrott Greensville County Schools Emporia, Virginia >Has anyone found anything that allows you to load up Accelerated Reader and Star onto your Linux boxes ?? >That is the only hold back right now. Any suggestions on solving this problem. From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sat Mar 26 04:09:15 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 20:09:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] dhcpd.conf for diskless booting old iMacs Message-ID: I'm not having much luck getting dhcpd to recognize the "Apple MacNC" option 211 that is being sent by the old iMac I'm banging on. Hopefully someone will be able to figure it out (see attached tcpdump) I did get it to work based off the vendor-portion of the MAC address, see the attached dhcpd.conf. Are there any reasons NOT to do it this way? -Eric -------------- next part -------------- # Sample configuration file for ISCD dhcpd # # Don't forget to set run_dhcpd=1 in /etc/init.d/dhcpd # once you adjusted this file and copied it to /etc/dhcpd.conf. # default-lease-time 21600; max-lease-time 21600; ddns-update-style none; allow booting; allow bootp; option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0; option broadcast-address 192.168.0.255; option routers 192.168.0.254; option domain-name-servers 192.168.0.254; option domain-name "ltsp"; option root-path "192.168.0.254:/opt/ltsp/i386"; option option-128 code 128 = string; option option-129 code 129 = text; shared-network WORKSTATIONS { subnet 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { range dynamic-bootp 192.168.0.100 192.168.0.253; use-host-decl-names on; option log-servers 192.168.0.254; # trick from Peter Rundle #if substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9) = "AAPLBSDPC" # newer Macs if substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9) = "AAPLBSDPC" { filename "yaboot"; option vendor-class-identifier "AAPLBSDPC"; } # really old iMacs elsif substring (hardware, 1, 4) = 00:50:e4:60 { filename "yaboot"; option vendor-class-identifier "AAPLBSDPC"; } # Intel PXE elsif substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9) = "PXEClient" { # NOTE: kernels are specified in /tftpboot/lts/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ filename "/lts/pxe/pxelinux.0"; } # default to an i386 BOOTP image else { filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; } if substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 20, 3) = "ppc" { option root-path "192.168.0.254:/opt/ltsp/ppc"; } else { option root-path "192.168.0.254:/opt/ltsp/i386"; } } } # example configurations for specifying specific kernels to specific clients group { use-host-decl-names on; option log-servers 192.168.0.254; host ws001 { hardware ethernet 00:E0:06:E8:00:84; fixed-address 192.168.0.1; filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; option option-129 "NIC=3c509"; } host ws002 { hardware ethernet 00:D0:09:30:6A:1C; fixed-address 192.168.0.2; filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; option option-129 "NIC=ne"; } host ws003 { hardware ethernet 00:D0:09:30:28:B2; fixed-address 192.168.0.3; # kernels are specified in /tftpboot/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ filename "/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.0"; } # Apple Specific Settings # host ws007 { # hardware ethernet 00:30:65:69:23:60; # fixed-address 192.168.0.4; # option root-path "192.168.0.254:/opt/ltsp/ppc"; # filename "yaboot"; # option vendor-class-identifier "AAPLBSDPC"; # } } -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: imac-bootp.dump Type: application/octet-stream Size: 382 bytes Desc: URL: From jam at mcquil.com Sat Mar 26 04:15:56 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 23:15:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] dhcpd.conf for diskless booting old iMacs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Eric, You mentioned a problem with 'option 211', but in your packet trace, it's option 221. Is that just a typo in your email, or have you been looking for the wrong option ? Jim. On Fri, 25 Mar 2005, Eric Harrison wrote: > > I'm not having much luck getting dhcpd to recognize the "Apple MacNC" > option 211 that is being sent by the old iMac I'm banging on. Hopefully > someone will be able to figure it out (see attached tcpdump) > > I did get it to work based off the vendor-portion of the MAC address, see the > attached dhcpd.conf. Are there any reasons NOT to do it this way? > > -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sat Mar 26 04:27:43 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 20:27:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] dhcpd.conf for diskless booting old iMacs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 25 Mar 2005, Jim McQuillan wrote: > Eric, > > You mentioned a problem with 'option 211', but in your packet trace, > it's option 221. > > Is that just a typo in your email, or have you been looking for the > wrong option ? > > Jim. Doh! Thanks for catching the obvious Jim! I do believe it would be a good idea if waited until tomorrow to finish debugging the "indigo" video driver problem ;-) (working dhcpd.conf attached) -Eric > On Fri, 25 Mar 2005, Eric Harrison wrote: > >> >> I'm not having much luck getting dhcpd to recognize the "Apple MacNC" >> option 211 that is being sent by the old iMac I'm banging on. Hopefully >> someone will be able to figure it out (see attached tcpdump) >> >> I did get it to work based off the vendor-portion of the MAC address, see the >> attached dhcpd.conf. Are there any reasons NOT to do it this way? >> >> -Eric > -------------- next part -------------- # Sample configuration file for ISCD dhcpd # # Don't forget to set run_dhcpd=1 in /etc/init.d/dhcpd # once you adjusted this file and copied it to /etc/dhcpd.conf. # default-lease-time 21600; max-lease-time 21600; ddns-update-style none; allow booting; allow bootp; option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0; option broadcast-address 192.168.0.255; option routers 192.168.0.254; option domain-name-servers 192.168.0.254; option domain-name "ltsp"; option root-path "192.168.0.254:/opt/ltsp/i386"; option option-128 code 128 = string; option option-129 code 129 = text; option option-221 code 221 = text; shared-network WORKSTATIONS { subnet 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { range dynamic-bootp 192.168.0.100 192.168.0.253; use-host-decl-names on; option log-servers 192.168.0.254; # trick from Peter Rundle #if substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9) = "AAPLBSDPC" # newer Macs if substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9) = "AAPLBSDPC" { filename "yaboot"; option vendor-class-identifier "AAPLBSDPC"; } # really old iMacs elsif substring (option option-221, 0, 5) = "Apple" { filename "yaboot"; option vendor-class-identifier "AAPLBSDPC"; } # Intel PXE elsif substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9) = "PXEClient" { # NOTE: kernels are specified in /tftpboot/lts/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ filename "/lts/pxe/pxelinux.0"; } # default to an i386 BOOTP image else { filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; } if substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 20, 3) = "ppc" { option root-path "192.168.0.254:/opt/ltsp/ppc"; } else { option root-path "192.168.0.254:/opt/ltsp/i386"; } } } # example configurations for specifying specific kernels to specific clients group { use-host-decl-names on; option log-servers 192.168.0.254; host ws001 { hardware ethernet 00:E0:06:E8:00:84; fixed-address 192.168.0.1; filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; option option-129 "NIC=3c509"; } host ws002 { hardware ethernet 00:D0:09:30:6A:1C; fixed-address 192.168.0.2; filename "/lts/vmlinuz.ltsp"; option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; option option-129 "NIC=ne"; } host ws003 { hardware ethernet 00:D0:09:30:28:B2; fixed-address 192.168.0.3; # kernels are specified in /tftpboot/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.cfg/ filename "/lts/boot/pxe/pxelinux.0"; } # Apple Specific Settings # host ws007 { # hardware ethernet 00:30:65:69:23:60; # fixed-address 192.168.0.4; # option root-path "192.168.0.254:/opt/ltsp/ppc"; # filename "yaboot"; # option vendor-class-identifier "AAPLBSDPC"; # } } From jhansknecht at hanstech.com Sat Mar 26 13:28:49 2005 From: jhansknecht at hanstech.com (John Hansknecht) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 08:28:49 -0500 Subject: [ok-mail] Re: [K12OSN] anyone in central Maryland/Baltimore?? In-Reply-To: References: <1eb89cf205032409476dd8d99c@mail.gmail.com> <4892876105032412521efb8fad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200503260828.49438.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> I can't help in Maryland, but if they just want input from a Catholic school that has made the change successfully I would be happy to talk to them about what we have running (FYI, we have 110 ltsp clients that represent all of the 'student' machines.) -- Thanks, John The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. - Mattrol at uscom.com (Drakmere) On Thursday 24 March 2005 15:57, Access Systems wrote: > have a parochial high school thinking about k12LTSP but they want to talk > with and see a system in operation....preferably one using both mac and PC > computers in the same system > > ??? anyone?? > > thanks > Bob > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary > safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob > NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net > NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers > NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right > *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#* >#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be > privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sat Mar 26 16:49:40 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 11:49:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] repository for K12LTSP 4.2.1 pre-release #1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, March 24, 2005 at 11:32 AM +0000 wrote: > * Are the ldap-samba configuration scripts ready for inclusion? At this point I say go for it...yes....the lastest version....1.2.1 should be fine http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/smbldap the guaranteed latest version is on Matts site....linked from mine David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sat Mar 26 18:14:10 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 10:14:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Fix for "Indigo" Mac video Message-ID: I tested all of the differences in Jim Kronebusch's XF86Config-4.indigo and found that the magic is in setting UseFBDev to true in the video driver section (see attached patch). This does not appear to break the half-dozen Macs I tested on, so hopefully we'll be able to just add this to the defaults. I should also wrap it in a 'if [ `uname -m` = "ppc" ]' ... I'll build a new ltsp_ppc package with this change for further testing. -Eric --- build_x4_cfg.orig 2005-03-26 15:49:09.623567544 -0500 +++ build_x4_cfg 2005-03-26 17:40:43.820894864 -0500 @@ -216,6 +216,7 @@ Driver "${X4_DRIVER}" ${BUSID} ${XVIDRAM} + Option "UseFBDev" "true" EOF for i in 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10; do From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sat Mar 26 18:52:51 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 10:52:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Fix for "Indigo" Mac video In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, 26 Mar 2005, Eric Harrison wrote: > > I tested all of the differences in Jim Kronebusch's XF86Config-4.indigo > and found that the magic is in setting UseFBDev to true in the video > driver section (see attached patch). > > This does not appear to break the half-dozen Macs I tested on, so > hopefully we'll be able to just add this to the defaults. I should > also wrap it in a 'if [ `uname -m` = "ppc" ]' ... > > I'll build a new ltsp_ppc package with this change for further > testing. I'm making this too hard on myself. The simple solution is to add this line to the Default section of lts.conf: X_DEVICE_OPTION_01 = "UseFBDev\" \"true" -Eric From HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG Sat Mar 26 20:28:11 2005 From: HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Burroughs, Henry) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 15:28:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Accelerated Reader and Star Reader programs Message-ID: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D78420646636@hhpmail.MEDIA.LOCAL> AR (5.12 at least) works well under Crossover Office by Codeweavers. I believe someone else recently got it to work under a regular WINE build as well (he had problems adding students in the management module... I didn't have problems via Crossover Office 4.1). There are some tweaks you need to do to the wine config in order to make the fonts render properly (there is a problem w/ anti-aliasing and how the text inverts from black on white to white on black when you select students/books/et), quick fix though. Just search the list for crossover office and Accelerated Reader... it should show up. =) Henry Burroughs Technology Director Hilton Head Preparatory School -----Original Message----- From: William Parrott [mailto:wparrott at gcps1.com] Sent: Fri 3/25/2005 8:06 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Cc: Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Accelerated Reader and Star Reader programs Ann, Are you running AR in a MAC or PC environment? I am exploring W.I.N.E. to see what existing apps will run from our PC environment. I was planning to test AR next week to see if it will run. Would be happy to let you know what I find out. William William Parrott Greensville County Schools Emporia, Virginia >Has anyone found anything that allows you to load up Accelerated Reader and Star onto your Linux boxes ?? >That is the only hold back right now. Any suggestions on solving this problem. From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sat Mar 26 23:08:18 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 15:08:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.2.1 pre3, ready for production? Message-ID: I updated several packages for the K12LTSP 4.2.1 pre-release: * dhcpd.conf & lts.conf changes to improve PPC client support * newer version of scribus * schoolbell included in the k12ltsp-education meta package * the fedora-extras repository is enabled by default All of the Macs I have availble for testing will now boot diskless "out-of-the-box", no configuration changes required. The only item left on my TODO list is incorporating the smbldap scripts. Hopefully I can get that done this weekend. If I don't, this will be included as an addon in the repository for this release. Please test this build out and let me know of any problems you encounter. If all goes well, this will be released as the offical 4.2.1 release in a couple of days. To upgrade a K12LTSP 4.2.0 server online, install the latest k12ltsp-release package and then run yum update: rpm -Uhv ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.1beta/updates/k12ltsp-release-4.2.1-5.noarch.rpm yum update You can download the CD images from: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.1beta/iso/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-pre/ . -Eric From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Sun Mar 27 10:17:50 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 11:17:50 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Squid Question In-Reply-To: <20050325050606.79206.qmail@web31601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050325050606.79206.qmail@web31601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4246884E.2080705@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> David Whitmer wrote: >I use Censornet on my home lan, and also administer >Censornet at my son's school. Censornet does >overwrite files, as already mentioned. However, it >provides template files that you can manually change >(e.g. adding custom iptables rules) to preserve your >changes through restarts. Censornet also has a web >interface for managing users and workstations, >reporting on web activity, and manual changes to >blacklists and whitelists. > >I believe Censornet can also authenticate users >against a Samba PDC for single signon setups. We >don't use it that mode, though, so I'm afraid I can't >answer any questions about getting that kind of setup >working. > >HTH, >David Whitmer > > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. >http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > I have Censornet authenticating against a Samba 2.2 PDC but I'm planning to move to a Samba 3 / LDAP backend this summer, I'll be setting up the test server next week. I'll try to remember to keep this list updated. Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From kjell_andersson at mail.com Sun Mar 27 11:01:13 2005 From: kjell_andersson at mail.com (Kjell Andersson) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 06:01:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Problem getting k12ltsp 4.2.0 to work. Message-ID: <20050327110113.948381F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> Hi! I burned the CD images for 4.2.0 and installed them on a machine with a 800 Mhz PIII 160 Mb ram 40Gb HDD and a 3com 905 TX card in it. The client is a AMD 486 120 Mhz with 130 Mb RAM and a 8139D network card in it. The machines is connected with a 10 Mbit hub wich i will change to a 100 Mbit swith later. I used the rom-o-matic site to create a boot floppy for the client. everythinglooks fine the client starts to boot up and talks to the server but when it get to the part where it tries to go to multisessionmode it hangs sometimes it goes as far as trying to start the xserver and then hangs. Since i'm no pro at this i've been browsing the different sources for information. what i have discovered is that XDMCP is not using GDM, KDM or XDM just using none ! Is this a big issue in my problems ? or is it the networkcard in the server ? i have seen that some people have had problems with those. Please help me out with this ! Best regards Kjell Andersson -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From sudev at m4linux.com Sun Mar 27 18:27:02 2005 From: sudev at m4linux.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 18:27:02 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.2.1 pre3, ready for production? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1111948022.6118.0.camel@roop.ltsp> On Sat, 2005-03-26 at 15:08 -0800, Eric Harrison wrote: > The only item left on my TODO list is incorporating the smbldap > scripts. Hopefully I can get that done this weekend. If I don't, > this will be included as an addon in the repository for this > release. OT to do? Any compilations for 64bit? Last I heard this was likely to happen to take advantage of newer AMD64 which are very affordable. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Mar 27 17:15:39 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 09:15:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.2.1 pre3, ready for production? In-Reply-To: <1111948022.6118.0.camel@roop.ltsp> References: <1111948022.6118.0.camel@roop.ltsp> Message-ID: On Sun, 27 Mar 2005, Sudev Barar wrote: > On Sat, 2005-03-26 at 15:08 -0800, Eric Harrison wrote: >> The only item left on my TODO list is incorporating the smbldap >> scripts. Hopefully I can get that done this weekend. If I don't, >> this will be included as an addon in the repository for this >> release. > > OT to do? > Any compilations for 64bit? Last I heard this was likely to happen to > take advantage of newer AMD64 which are very affordable. For 4.2.1, AMD64 support will remain the same as in 4.2.0. I won't be building ISO images, but will be adding meta packages that will make it relatively easy to add the K12LTSP packages to a stock AMD64 install. -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun Mar 27 18:57:22 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 10:57:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Installing on AMD64, Was: K12LTSP 4.2.1 pre3, ready for production? In-Reply-To: References: <1111948022.6118.0.camel@roop.ltsp> Message-ID: On Sun, 27 Mar 2005, Eric Harrison wrote: >> OT to do? >> Any compilations for 64bit? Last I heard this was likely to happen to >> take advantage of newer AMD64 which are very affordable. > > For 4.2.1, AMD64 support will remain the same as in 4.2.0. > > I won't be building ISO images, but will be adding meta packages > that will make it relatively easy to add the K12LTSP packages to a > stock AMD64 install. I guess I should have posted instructions, just in case anyone wants to double-check my work... note that these instructions apply for this beta only, they will change slightly (the URL for the k12ltsp-release package) for the final release.... 1) Do a default desktop install of Fedora Core 3 (either i386 or amd64), using these changes for the network and firewall configurations: eth0: 192.168.0.254/255.255.255.0 eth1: DHCP or static firewall: trust eth0 2) Once the install has been completed and you have rebooted, open up a root terminal window and type the following commands: (skipping the comments "#") # this package contains the yum configurations for K12LTSP rpm -Uhv http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/K12LTSP/4.2.1beta/updates/k12ltsp-release-4.2.1-5.noarch.rpm # pick the meta packages you want.... yum install k12ltsp-core # 194M - the core LTSP files yum install k12ltsp-education # 113M - education applications yum install k12ltsp-utils # 14M - squidguard, apt, mondo, meld yum install k12ltsp-extras # 9M - icewm, openoffice-extras yum install k12ltsp-scripts # 4K - useful scripts # run the K12LTSP initializatoin script & reboot /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/K12Linux-LTSP-initialize /sbin/shutdown now -r 3) Done! -Eric From cliebow at downeast.net Sun Mar 27 23:37:33 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 23:37:33 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Fix for "Indigo" Mac video Message-ID: <200503272232.j2RMWuD14172@downeast.net> eriv : alll i uses on the old power macs and on the ibooks was XSERVER=fbdev > On Sat, 26 Mar 2005, Eric Harrison wrote: > > > > I tested all of the differences in Jim Kronebusch's XF86Config-4.indigo > > and found that the magic is in setting UseFBDev to true in the video > > driver section (see attached patch). > > > > This does not appear to break the half-dozen Macs I tested on, so > > hopefully we'll be able to just add this to the defaults. I should > > also wrap it in a 'if [ `uname -m` = "ppc" ]' ... > > > > I'll build a new ltsp_ppc package with this change for further > > testing. > > I'm making this too hard on myself. The simple solution is to add > this line to the Default section of lts.conf: > > X_DEVICE_OPTION_01 = "UseFBDev\" \"true" > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From jim at winonacotter.org Mon Mar 28 02:06:45 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 20:06:45 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Fix for "Indigo" Mac video In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050328020402.M85299@winonacotter.org> > > I tested all of the differences in Jim Kronebusch's XF86Config-4.indigo > > and found that the magic is in setting UseFBDev to true in the video > > driver section (see attached patch). > > > > This does not appear to break the half-dozen Macs I tested on, so > > hopefully we'll be able to just add this to the defaults. I should > > also wrap it in a 'if [ `uname -m` = "ppc" ]' ... > > > > I'll build a new ltsp_ppc package with this change for further > > testing. > > I'm making this too hard on myself. The simple solution is to add > this line to the Default section of lts.conf: > > X_DEVICE_OPTION_01 = "UseFBDev\" \"true" Very cool. I was hoping if I posted the custom file someone with more knowledge than myself would be able to pull the one little piece from it and simplify things. I already installed a server as a demo with some existing Blueberry iMacs last Friday. Hopefully they will decide to make the switch over the summer. All of these additions should make K12LTSP a simple solution for mac based schools. Thanks again for the extra work. Now for sound.......... :-) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From cliebow at downeast.net Mon Mar 28 11:25:40 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 11:25:40 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Fix for "Indigo" Mac video Message-ID: <200503281021.j2SAL0K28316@downeast.net> very very cool you have put this ot in the field Jin..chuck > > > I tested all of the differences in Jim Kronebusch's XF86Config-4.indigo > > > and found that the magic is in setting UseFBDev to true in the video > > > driver section (see attached patch). > > > > > > This does not appear to break the half-dozen Macs I tested on, so > > > hopefully we'll be able to just add this to the defaults. I should > > > also wrap it in a 'if [ `uname -m` = "ppc" ]' ... > > > > > > I'll build a new ltsp_ppc package with this change for further > > > testing. > > > > I'm making this too hard on myself. The simple solution is to add > > this line to the Default section of lts.conf: > > > > X_DEVICE_OPTION_01 = "UseFBDev\" \"true" > > Very cool. I was hoping if I posted the custom file someone with more > knowledge than myself would be able to pull the one little piece from it and > simplify things. > > I already installed a server as a demo with some existing Blueberry iMacs last > Friday. Hopefully they will decide to make the switch over the summer. > > All of these additions should make K12LTSP a simple solution for mac based > schools. > > Thanks again for the extra work. > > Now for sound.......... :-) > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From skossakoski at sau16.org Mon Mar 28 14:41:11 2005 From: skossakoski at sau16.org (Steve Kossakoski) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 09:41:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mounting network drives Message-ID: We have a K12LTSP server setup in each of our schools on MS2000 & 2003 server networks. We'd like to automount the directory where student folders reside. Currently, we can browse to these folders, but it would easier for students/staff to open a folder, select their name, and login. Can anyone point me to a how-to? Thanks, Steve From mailinglists-after-041101_reply-not-possible at hpc.dk Mon Mar 28 16:30:56 2005 From: mailinglists-after-041101_reply-not-possible at hpc.dk (Henning Wangerin) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 18:30:56 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Installing on AMD64, Was: K12LTSP 4.2.1 pre3, ready for production? In-Reply-To: References: <1111948022.6118.0.camel@roop.ltsp> Message-ID: <1112027456.31782.39.camel@server.ltsp> On Sun, 2005-03-27 at 20:57, Eric Harrison wrote: > 1) Do a default desktop install of Fedora Core 3 (either i386 or amd64), > using these changes for the network and firewall configurations: > > eth0: 192.168.0.254/255.255.255.0 Would it be possible to use a different default net for the LAN side? Many soho routes defaults to 192.168.0.1/24 as their LAN, so changes has to be made to get two default-installs to run! I my self has moved my TC-LAN to 192.168.250.254/24 just to avoid this. I'm often bringing my personal K12-server along, and 95% of the LANs where I have been running demos etc was running 192.168.0.1/24 -- Henning Wangerin From kjell_andersson at mail.com Mon Mar 28 16:45:45 2005 From: kjell_andersson at mail.com (Kjell Andersson) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 11:45:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] How do i enable XDMCP in K12ltsp 4.2.0 ? Message-ID: <20050328164545.F108C101D0@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> Hi ! I did a fresh install again. And when i run ltspadmin the only thing s that says no is XDMCP it is installed and running but not enabled it says. When i go into the login setup from the menu's it is on. So why does the ltspadmin say it is not enabled and is not using any of the possible windowhandlers ?? Is it my hardware playing tricks on me i also have to do the installing in text mode but when installed the graphics work fine. Regards Kjell Andersson -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From hick518 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 28 17:15:27 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 09:15:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] How do i enable XDMCP in K12ltsp 4.2.0 ? In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050328171527.52452.qmail@web41610.mail.yahoo.com> Did you do an install of ltsp on top of an already-existing distro? I had a similar problem to you while installing ltsp on top of Mandrake 10.1. I'm not exactly sure what the problem was, but as I recall I fixed it by switching to XDM (from Mandrake's standard KDM), running ltspadmin, then switching to GDM (switching back to KDM might have also worked). The gdm.conf file needed some adjusting before it worked with the terminals. And I found that I needed to reboot each time I switched display managers using Mandrake's GUI tool in order for it all to work right. -Rob --- Kjell Andersson wrote: > Hi ! > I did a fresh install again. > And when i run ltspadmin the only thing s that says > no is XDMCP > it is installed and running but not enabled it says. > When i go into the login setup from the menu's it is > on. > So why does the ltspadmin say it is not enabled and > is not using any of > the possible windowhandlers ?? > Is it my hardware playing tricks on me i also have > to do the installing in text mode > but when installed the graphics work fine. > > Regards Kjell Andersson > > -- > ___________________________________________________________ > Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com > http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From julius at turtle.com Mon Mar 28 18:32:42 2005 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 13:32:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] upgrade or fresh install? Message-ID: <1209.216.216.171.235.1112034762.squirrel@216.216.171.235> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Dear Folks, what will work better - upgrade of a k12 3.1 server (dist-upgraded to the gills) or a fresh install of 4.2.1 and restoring /home and stuff in /etc? thanks, julius -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCSE3K2LhlZOaj6vURAopUAJ4zeVA1EMjax6b9OZmG7CvhpNHI5gCeJ8xK dNykm/kcsrm1xgSXTGXclbw= =1Koe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From odonovan at bsd.sk.ca Mon Mar 28 19:21:36 2005 From: odonovan at bsd.sk.ca (odonovan) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 13:21:36 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Quest In-Reply-To: <1eb89cf205032511297a6fac00@mail.gmail.com> References: <1eb89cf205032511297a6fac00@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20050328172647.M12177@bsd.sk.ca> -- Open WebMail Project (http://openwebmail.org) ---------- Original Message ----------- From: Ken Johnson To: K12LTSP Sent: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 14:29:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Quest > I am looking for a server to support a 10 node K12LTSP network (that > may be larger in the future). > > Since budget is a consideration, I am looking on EBay for a > "previously loved" Dell Server. > > I plan on at least a gig of RAM, 2 If I can afford it. (is this > enough?) RAM is the main determinant of the number of users a system can support. RAM usage largely depends on the type of user you have. OOo doing simple WP tasks takes a lot less RAM than multimedia presentations; Firefox on simple static sites can demand in the order of 20 - 30MB/instance but with tabbed browsing and multiple jvm invocations that can go over 100MB/user. We budget between 50 and 100MB /concurrent user for both of these apps. The fewer users you have, the more variability you can have. 1G is likely okay for the 10 users you as long as they don't all do something really demanding at once. 100MB/concurrent user is a conservative figure; it allows at least 40 users (and often >50 depending on usage patterns) on 4GB RAM. Proc speed becomes an issue if you have large numbers of "kiddie-type" users doing graphics intensive activities (graphics-based typing activities, elementary school animations, java-based interactive graphics). Here 20 to 30 users can cause a dual xeon to begin to look aenemic (even with a Gig enet server connection to a fully switched client network). I use a rule of thumb of 100MHz per concurrent user as being more than adequate on larger systems. (ie a dual 3GHz machine should support about 60 users with some room to spare) >From a systems point of view a dual proc system is a minimum requirement. Many well behaved daemon applications like Apache, Sendmail ... can be run on a single proc machine because they are well behaved. Applications that have interactive user interfaces OFTEN break and result in runaway process that consume all CPU resources (typically on 1 CPU). Even with automated kill scripts (one is available on the LTSP site) or custom-made programs, administrator monitoring and intervention is needed. Multiple procs cut the need for intervention as the system degenerates in a nice linear orderly way. Then you can simply automate dumping all user process in the middle of the night and know your server is ready for the next day. > > I think I need SCSI (am I correct?) I have seen some servers that > have SCSI drives ranging in size from 9 to 36 gig. Would 9 be > enough? Seems a little small. If you are implementing a simple system (with the home directory files on the server), I would recommend at least 36G drive space (even on a 10 user system). That allows for about 10G for the OS and applications (A full K12LTSP install needs at least this much.) and the rest for home. > > I have never worked with SCSI drives.What pifalls are there? IMHO none. But you do need to know a little about scsi configurations (hot swap/SCA bays --common in rackmount systems -- really simplifies the setup). >Budget > does not permit making a mistake, I need to get a server that will > work with K!2LTSP. > I have worked with simple IDE systems for up to 20 users and quickly moved to SCSI for general use. I have used RAIDed IDE for systems that have had up to 5 users and they work well (but I wouldn't trust the configuration for larger sets of users where home directories were stored on the server. If you must used ATA/IDE be sure to put each disk on a separate bus. SATA is a good compromise. The most cost effective system today seems to be a low cost SATA software RAID which can be set up from the K12LTSP install (or hw if the controller supports it). Your server has to provide SATA or it can be added economically (be sure the controller is one known by Fedora). If the server has a SCSI controller on board make use of it. The difference in price on the disks is well worth it. > Some have 3 drives and RAID- will this work with k12LTSP? Do I need this? > Should they be RAIDED? If the system is storing files for anyone other than yourself, you should provide some level of redundancy/protection. Otherwise you have to go to backup whenever anything happens and that represents a lot of time and effort for you (and downtime for the clients). On a small system a simple hardware or software RAID 1 (mirror) is the most economical. > Some require rack mounting (never done that either)- should I avoid > those? Not necessarily, they have a number of attractive qualities and are the only way to go if you have multiple servers. But two characteristics of rack systems work against some of the criteria you have set out. Components are generally very proprietary (If a power supply goes, where do you get a replacement quickly). and they tend to be somewhat pricer that conventional boxes. But the biggest problem is likely to be ... >The server will be placed in the same room as the > workstations. Rackmount systems generally pay little or no attention to noise attenuation and you probably don't want to have one of those beasts in your work area! Do I have to mount it on a rack? No but they tend to take up a lot of surface space unless it can be mounted vertically somethere. Got a small closet nearby? (Budget and Space are > considerations.) Yes, yes, yes! Good luck!! oo / - > > Any advice would be appreciated. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see ------- End of Original Message ------- From petre at maltzen.net Mon Mar 28 19:47:48 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 13:47:48 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] upgrade or fresh install? In-Reply-To: <1209.216.216.171.235.1112034762.squirrel@216.216.171.235> References: <1209.216.216.171.235.1112034762.squirrel@216.216.171.235> Message-ID: <42485F64.1090803@maltzen.net> This isn't an answer, just some semi-related anectdotal info: My primary server at home is k12 3.1, and I recently installed 4.2 on another box and then NFS mounted /home from the old box onto the new box, after creating identical IDs on the new box. When I connect to the 4.2 server with a client and choose the Gnome desktop (default) I get an error messaging saying things have changed in Gnome and it doesn't like the configuration of my .gnome-desktop directory, says it will create a new one while saving the old one, but then I get only part of the Gnome desktop, no task bar, etc. I have not seen a similar problem with IceWM (nor with KDE, I think although I can't recall with certainty). So, watch your step if you restore the ~/ directories to the new system. Petre Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > Dear Folks, > what will work better - upgrade of a k12 3.1 server (dist-upgraded to the > gills) or a fresh install of 4.2.1 and restoring /home and stuff in /etc? > thanks, julius > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFCSE3K2LhlZOaj6vURAopUAJ4zeVA1EMjax6b9OZmG7CvhpNHI5gCeJ8xK > dNykm/kcsrm1xgSXTGXclbw= > =1Koe > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From odonovan at bsd.sk.ca Mon Mar 28 20:04:05 2005 From: odonovan at bsd.sk.ca (odonovan) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 14:04:05 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Squid Question In-Reply-To: <15a7ed178478489ef99fb3772a3ea3e8@renarts.org> References: <1eb89cf205032409476dd8d99c@mail.gmail.com> <15a7ed178478489ef99fb3772a3ea3e8@renarts.org> Message-ID: <20050328193227.M69827@bsd.sk.ca> -- Open WebMail Project (http://openwebmail.org) ---------- Original Message ----------- From: Lee Myrick To: Ken Johnson , "Support list for opensource software in schools." Sent: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 12:41:14 -0800 Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Squid Question > I just set up Censornet on our network. Censornet basically IS Squid > and Dansguardian. I do run it on a separate machine, but it's an old > PIII right now. Works fine. Censornet's own documentation is quite > good on how to install. I'd say the choice factor between Censornet > and Squid/Dansguardian is how much you want to play with the system > yourself. With Censornet, you mostly can't go into a file with Vim > or Emacs and edit it, as it will be overwritten the next time you > start Censornet. Censornet is also free, although you can purchase > image-level filters and support (or donate to them once you're up > and running successfully). > > Lee Myrick > Information Technology Coordinator > Renaissance Arts Academy > lee at renarts.org > http://www.renarts.org > > On Mar 24, 2005, at 9:47 AM, Ken Johnson wrote: > > > I need to filter Internet access for a k12LTSP network in a church > > youth center. My experience comes form a school environment having deployed Squid, SquidGuard and Dans and K12LTSP. (I can't speak to Censornet or other commercial products). > > > > I have a few questions. I am looking at Censornet, SquidGaurd and > > DansGuardian. I have never used any of these before. > > > > 1) Does the proxy run on a separate machine, or should it run on the > > k12LTSP server? > > Here are a few recommendations: Treat squid as your caching proxy having nothing to do with content filtering. (in other words don't use SquidGuard (SG). SG is a great URL filter and does 90% of what you want with low overhead. But SG is NOT a content filter! IMHO SG isn't the tool for the job here. Have squid set up to listen on the default port 3128 and only receive requests from the server. (This is the default K12LTSP config I believe.) Dan's is a real content filter that can examine the content of pages on the way through to the client (as well as doing the URL filtering that SC does.) It does this at the cost of some processing power needed from the server and some additional latency for the processing. Dans home page gives the additional processing and memory needs. You should see if they can fit with the specs of your server config. Dans home page has lots of helpful documentation around installation (from rpms so it comes up in a pretty ready default configuration). > > 2) Can someone point me to some step by step installation instructions? > > Squid gets a small default installation accessable only from the server (which is what you want) in the K12LTSP install. You can adjust the size of the cache (and many make many other config changes) in /etc/squid/squid.conf. If you want to become more knowlegable about squid, check out the docs at http://www.squid-cache.org There's lots of documentation available there. Dan's website http://dansguardian.org has a wealth of info about different applications and configurations. > > 3) What are some pros and cons of each? > > Dans needs more proc/memory than SG but does more. It needs more configuration if you are going to do any degree of customization. > > 4) Are any of these filters really effective (after all its a church). > I can volunteer that we have to loosen up on lots of the Dans configurations in a public K12 environment. Yes it is REALLY effective. oo / - > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see ------- End of Original Message ------- From julius at turtle.com Mon Mar 28 20:12:17 2005 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 15:12:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] upgrade or fresh install? In-Reply-To: <42485F64.1090803@maltzen.net> References: <1209.216.216.171.235.1112034762.squirrel@216.216.171.235> <42485F64.1090803@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1544.216.216.171.235.1112040737.squirrel@216.216.171.235> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > This isn't an answer, just some semi-related anectdotal info: My primary > server at home > is k12 3.1, and I recently installed 4.2 on another box and then NFS > mounted /home from > the old box onto the new box, after creating identical IDs on the new box. > When I > connect to the 4.2 server with a client and choose the Gnome desktop > (default) I get an > error messaging saying things have changed in Gnome and it doesn't like > the > configuration of my .gnome-desktop directory, says it will create a new > one while saving > the old one, but then I get only part of the Gnome desktop, no task bar, > etc. I have > not seen a similar problem with IceWM (nor with KDE, I think although I > can't recall > with certainty). So, watch your step if you restore the ~/ directories to > the new system. > > Petre > > Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> >> Dear Folks, >> what will work better - upgrade of a k12 3.1 server (dist-upgraded to >> the >> gills) or a fresh install of 4.2.1 and restoring /home and stuff in >> /etc? >> thanks, julius Petre, this is precisely the kind of thing I was afraid of. I'll can only hope that upgrade would take care of things. julius -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCSGUh2LhlZOaj6vURAlvJAJoDdWbSO9TFt4uJXApYzPaUXCMtzACcD73o YNLuO+W+xlIkjGos/RIMA6Y= =pK4Y -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From kjell_andersson at mail.com Mon Mar 28 20:06:26 2005 From: kjell_andersson at mail.com (Kjell Andersson) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 15:06:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] How do i enable XDMCP in K12ltsp 4.2.0 ? Message-ID: <20050328200626.93B8910602@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> This time i installed the k12ltsp dist. I dont really know how to switch windowhandler i Fedora 3 but i try that out to morrow ! Thanks Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Owens" To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Subject: Re: [K12OSN] How do i enable XDMCP in K12ltsp 4.2.0 ? Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 09:15:27 -0800 (PST) > > Did you do an install of ltsp on top of an > already-existing distro? > > I had a similar problem to you while installing ltsp > on top of Mandrake 10.1. I'm not exactly sure what > the problem was, but as I recall I fixed it by > switching to XDM (from Mandrake's standard KDM), > running ltspadmin, then switching to GDM (switching > back to KDM might have also worked). The gdm.conf > file needed some adjusting before it worked with the > terminals. And I found that I needed to reboot each > time I switched display managers using Mandrake's GUI > tool in order for it all to work right. > > -Rob > > --- Kjell Andersson wrote: > > Hi ! > > I did a fresh install again. > > And when i run ltspadmin the only thing s that says > > no is XDMCP > > it is installed and running but not enabled it says. > > When i go into the login setup from the menu's it is > > on. > > So why does the ltspadmin say it is not enabled and > > is not using any of the possible windowhandlers ?? > > Is it my hardware playing tricks on me i also have > > to do the installing in text mode > > but when installed the graphics work fine. > > > > Regards Kjell Andersson -- > ___________________________________________________________ > > Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com > > http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. > http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Mar 28 20:39:50 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 12:39:50 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] How do i enable XDMCP in K12ltsp 4.2.0 ? In-Reply-To: <20050328164545.F108C101D0@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20050328164545.F108C101D0@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <42486B96.7020708@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Kjell Andersson wrote: > Hi ! > I did a fresh install again. > And when i run ltspadmin the only thing s that says no is XDMCP > it is installed and running but not enabled it says. > When i go into the login setup from the menu's it is on. > So why does the ltspadmin say it is not enabled and is not using any of > the possible windowhandlers ?? > Is it my hardware playing tricks on me i also have to do the installing in text mode > but when installed the graphics work fine. > > Regards Kjell Andersson > Are you experiencing problems, or are you just concerned that ltspadmin is reporting that XDMCP is not enabled? K12LTSP turns on XDMCP during the install process. You can always re-run the install scripts if you want to make sure that it is enabled: /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/gdm.conf-update.pl -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon Mar 28 20:43:20 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 12:43:20 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Installing on AMD64, Was: K12LTSP 4.2.1 pre3, ready for production? In-Reply-To: <1112027456.31782.39.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1111948022.6118.0.camel@roop.ltsp> <1112027456.31782.39.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <42486C68.1080108@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Henning Wangerin wrote: > On Sun, 2005-03-27 at 20:57, Eric Harrison wrote: > >>1) Do a default desktop install of Fedora Core 3 (either i386 or amd64), >> using these changes for the network and firewall configurations: >> >> eth0: 192.168.0.254/255.255.255.0 > > > Would it be possible to use a different default net for the LAN side? > > Many soho routes defaults to 192.168.0.1/24 as their LAN, so changes has > to be made to get two default-installs to run! > > I my self has moved my TC-LAN to 192.168.250.254/24 just to avoid this. > > I'm often bringing my personal K12-server along, and 95% of the LANs > where I have been running demos etc was running 192.168.0.1/24 K12LTSP follows the LTSP default settings. When the LTSP defaults change the K12LTSP defaults will follow. During a K12LTSP install, if you change the default 192.168.0.254 to something else (your 192.168.250.254 for example) that range will be used instead. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From melliott at rpmhealthstop.org Mon Mar 28 22:11:20 2005 From: melliott at rpmhealthstop.org (Michael Elliott) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 17:11:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP and Local Printing Issue Message-ID: <42488108.7070603@rpmhealthstop.org> Hello and thank you for taking the time to read my note. I have setup K12LTSP at two seperate locations. The second I have identical hardware on the server so I made a copy of the entire hard drive instead of doing a new install. With that said - I did change the IP Addresses of the system, which may be part of my problem. What is happening is that I have setup lts.conf for the printing ~ [ws154] PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/lp0 PRINTER_0_TYPE = P I also modified dhcpd.conf to set the MAC to a particular IP Address 192.168.0.154 OK - I go to add the printer and send a test print. If I just go ahead and press "Yes" that the printout was the output was correct I can see in the printer configuration Window the following: Network host '192.168.0.154' is busy I have updated the Printer Configuation utility - same issue. I had this before (last year) and when I was having a problem before I had a section in lts.conf that had the MAC address prior to the printer declaration, when I commented it out - it worked. I tried the lts.conf with and without the MAC section - no help Any advice would be greatly appreciated, Mike From kjell_andersson at mail.com Mon Mar 28 22:18:36 2005 From: kjell_andersson at mail.com (Kjell Andersson) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 17:18:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] How do i enable XDMCP in K12ltsp 4.2.0 ? Message-ID: <20050328221836.5B27D101D0@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> Yes i have problems and i suspect the XDMCP but i am not certain. What happens is that the client talks to the server and starts to boot but when it goes to multisession mode och tries to start the X-server it hangs. There seems to be no way that i can enable the XDMCP i have tried a lot of different ways. The only thing i haven't tried is changing from GDM to XDM on the server. I re-run the script with no result at all ltspadmin still show XDMCP as not enabled :-( regards Kjell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Harrison" To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Subject: Re: [K12OSN] How do i enable XDMCP in K12ltsp 4.2.0 ? Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 12:39:50 -0800 > > Kjell Andersson wrote: > > Hi ! > > I did a fresh install again. > > And when i run ltspadmin the only thing s that says no is XDMCP > > it is installed and running but not enabled it says. > > When i go into the login setup from the menu's it is on. > > So why does the ltspadmin say it is not enabled and is not using any of > > the possible windowhandlers ?? > > Is it my hardware playing tricks on me i also have to do the > > installing in text mode > > but when installed the graphics work fine. > > > > Regards Kjell Andersson > > > > Are you experiencing problems, or are you just concerned that ltspadmin > is reporting that XDMCP is not enabled? > > > K12LTSP turns on XDMCP during the install process. You can always re-run > the install scripts if you want to make sure that it is enabled: > > /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/gdm.conf-update.pl > > > -Eric << signature.asc >> > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From ann.butler at westernheights.k12.ok.us Mon Mar 28 22:55:14 2005 From: ann.butler at westernheights.k12.ok.us (Ann Butler) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 16:55:14 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Accelerated Reader and Star Reader programs Message-ID: Running a PC environment. I am exploring W.I.N.E. as well.. I would love for you to tell me your results. It looks like Accelerated Reader installed but I can not seem to find out How to run it. (I am working at an extra challenge because I Am very new to Linux) Any help would be appreciated !! Thanks Ann Butler Western Heights Public School District Oklahoma City, Oklahoma -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of William Parrott Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 7:07 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Accelerated Reader and Star Reader programs Ann, Are you running AR in a MAC or PC environment? I am exploring W.I.N.E. to see what existing apps will run from our PC environment. I was planning to test AR next week to see if it will run. Would be happy to let you know what I find out. William William Parrott Greensville County Schools Emporia, Virginia >Has anyone found anything that allows you to load up Accelerated Reader and Star onto your Linux boxes ?? >That is the only hold back right now. Any suggestions on solving this problem. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From ann.butler at westernheights.k12.ok.us Mon Mar 28 22:57:13 2005 From: ann.butler at westernheights.k12.ok.us (Ann Butler) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 16:57:13 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Accelerated Reader and Star Reader programs Message-ID: Thanks I will give it a try. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Burroughs, Henry Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 2:28 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools.; Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Accelerated Reader and Star Reader programs AR (5.12 at least) works well under Crossover Office by Codeweavers. I believe someone else recently got it to work under a regular WINE build as well (he had problems adding students in the management module... I didn't have problems via Crossover Office 4.1). There are some tweaks you need to do to the wine config in order to make the fonts render properly (there is a problem w/ anti-aliasing and how the text inverts from black on white to white on black when you select students/books/et), quick fix though. Just search the list for crossover office and Accelerated Reader... it should show up. =) Henry Burroughs Technology Director Hilton Head Preparatory School -----Original Message----- From: William Parrott [mailto:wparrott at gcps1.com] Sent: Fri 3/25/2005 8:06 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Cc: Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Accelerated Reader and Star Reader programs Ann, Are you running AR in a MAC or PC environment? I am exploring W.I.N.E. to see what existing apps will run from our PC environment. I was planning to test AR next week to see if it will run. Would be happy to let you know what I find out. William William Parrott Greensville County Schools Emporia, Virginia >Has anyone found anything that allows you to load up Accelerated Reader and Star onto your Linux boxes ?? >That is the only hold back right now. Any suggestions on solving this problem. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From kmatson at pps.k12.or.us Tue Mar 29 00:33:21 2005 From: kmatson at pps.k12.or.us (Kevin Matson) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 16:33:21 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Trouble logging into the wiki Message-ID: I have some content to add to the wiki and when I try to log in I get: PHP Warnings lib/WikiUserNew.php:2009: Warning[512]: Unable to connect to IMAP server localhost:143/imap/notls Is this a security feature or does this mean the wiki isn't accepting logins now? 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But if you don't even get the gray screen, then I think maybe it's a problem w/ your video mode and you'll have to take a look at lts.conf ...but I'm no expert -Rob --- Kjell Andersson wrote: > Yes i have problems and i suspect the XDMCP but i am > not certain. > What happens is that the client talks to the server > and starts to boot > but when it goes to multisession mode och tries to > start the X-server it hangs. > There seems to be no way that i can enable the XDMCP > i have tried a lot of different > ways. The only thing i haven't tried is changing > from GDM to XDM on the server. > I re-run the script with no result at all ltspadmin > still show XDMCP as not enabled > :-( > > regards Kjell > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eric Harrison" > > To: "Support list for opensource software in > schools." > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] How do i enable XDMCP in > K12ltsp 4.2.0 ? > Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 12:39:50 -0800 > > > > > Kjell Andersson wrote: > > > Hi ! > > > I did a fresh install again. > > > And when i run ltspadmin the only thing s that > says no is XDMCP > > > it is installed and running but not enabled it > says. > > > When i go into the login setup from the menu's > it is on. > > > So why does the ltspadmin say it is not enabled > and is not using any of > > > the possible windowhandlers ?? > > > Is it my hardware playing tricks on me i also > have to do the > > > installing in text mode > > > but when installed the graphics work fine. > > > > > > Regards Kjell Andersson > > > > > > > Are you experiencing problems, or are you just > concerned that ltspadmin > > is reporting that XDMCP is not enabled? > > > > > > K12LTSP turns on XDMCP during the install process. > You can always re-run > > the install scripts if you want to make sure that > it is enabled: > > > > /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/gdm.conf-update.pl > > > > > > -Eric > << signature.asc >> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > -- > ___________________________________________________________ > Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com > http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From drloomis at cox-internet.com Tue Mar 29 02:38:08 2005 From: drloomis at cox-internet.com (Dr. Daniel Loomis) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 20:38:08 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] XKB Error Message-ID: <1112063888.3274.10.camel@harpo.curmudgeon.not> I recently upgraded our 3.1.2 to 4.2.0 and mostly everything is ok, except for the following error message popping up after login: 1. Error activating XKB configuration Clients get this message in a small window during login, but not the server. I understand that the problem is related to the clients running XFree86 and the server Xorg. I tried adding the following symlinks to help, but to no avail. ln -s /etc/X11/xkb/rules/xfree86 /etc/X11/xkb/rules/xorg ln -s /etc/X11/xkb/rules/xfree86.lst /etc/X11/xkb/rules/xorg.lst Question: Is this just an artifact from doing an upgrade rather than a fresh install? If so, is there any way to fix it without doing a new install? I have even tried fixing the ~/.gconf.conf files, but to not avail. Everything seems to be working just fine, it is just annoying having to tell users to disregard the error and click it away! Clients are all ThinkNICs using std. keyboards. Additional observation: The error does not occur with KDE Desktop. It does show up on IceWM, but that is also calling Nautilus so the problem is with the Gnome subsystems. Dan P.S. Is sound on clients now a lost cause with 4.2.0? I had it working very well in 3.1.0, even using crossover plugin. None of the fixes listed on the Wiki pages have helped. From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Mar 29 03:28:10 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 19:28:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] XKB Error In-Reply-To: <1112063888.3274.10.camel@harpo.curmudgeon.not> References: <1112063888.3274.10.camel@harpo.curmudgeon.not> Message-ID: I saw this once after doing an upgrade from a 3.x version to a 4.x version. I reset my desktop and the error went away. At the GDM login screen, select the "Reset desktop" session and login. If the problem goes away, there is a script you can run that will do the same for all users in bulk: /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/reset-all-desktops -Eric On Mon, 28 Mar 2005, Dr. Daniel Loomis wrote: > I recently upgraded our 3.1.2 to 4.2.0 and mostly everything is ok, > except for the following error message popping up after login: > > 1. Error activating XKB configuration > > Clients get this message in a small window during login, but not the > server. I understand that the problem is related to the clients running > XFree86 and the server Xorg. I tried adding the following symlinks to > help, but to no avail. > > ln -s /etc/X11/xkb/rules/xfree86 /etc/X11/xkb/rules/xorg > ln -s /etc/X11/xkb/rules/xfree86.lst /etc/X11/xkb/rules/xorg.lst > > Question: Is this just an artifact from doing an upgrade rather than a > fresh install? If so, is there any way to fix it without doing a new > install? I have even tried fixing the ~/.gconf.conf files, but to not > avail. Everything seems to be working just fine, it is just annoying > having to tell users to disregard the error and click it away! Clients > are all ThinkNICs using std. keyboards. > > Additional observation: The error does not occur with KDE Desktop. It > does show up on IceWM, but that is also calling Nautilus so the problem > is with the Gnome subsystems. > > Dan > > P.S. Is sound on clients now a lost cause with 4.2.0? I had it working > very well in 3.1.0, even using crossover plugin. None of the fixes > listed on the Wiki pages have helped. > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Mar 29 03:33:04 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 19:33:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Trouble logging into the wiki In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 28 Mar 2005, Kevin Matson wrote: > I have some content to add to the wiki and when I try to log in I get: > > PHP Warnings > lib/WikiUserNew.php:2009: Warning[512]: Unable to connect to IMAP server > localhost:143/imap/notls > > Is this a security feature or does this mean the wiki isn't accepting > logins now? Hey Kevin! I just logged in w/o an error. There is no real "logins" on that wiki, you just type in something that looks like a wiki login, such as KevinMatson. If you get that error again, can you email with the exact details of what you are typing in where? -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Mar 29 03:41:56 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 19:41:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] How do i enable XDMCP in K12ltsp 4.2.0 ? In-Reply-To: <20050329003558.79524.qmail@web41625.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050329003558.79524.qmail@web41625.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 28 Mar 2005, Rob Owens wrote: > Every time I run ltspadmin it tells me XDMCP is not > running, even though my system is working fine. Maybe > some of my config files aren't exactly right, but like > I said, it is working for me. I just checked a fresh install and ltspadmin also reports that XDMCP is not running. Ltspadmin used to recognize the default K12LTSP install settings, I'll have to look to see what changed. > I think if you get a gray screen with an X in the > middle and it hangs there, then XDMCP is the culprit. > But if you don't even get the gray screen, then I > think maybe it's a problem w/ your video mode and > you'll have to take a look at lts.conf > > ...but I'm no expert DNS problems can also cause the grey-screen-of-death. Kjell, can you tell us a little bit about your setup? Is it a default install (two ethernet cards, with eth0 having the IP address of 192.168.0.254)? Did you do anything different or special? -Eric From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Mar 29 03:59:57 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 19:59:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Sound on terminals, Was: XKB Error In-Reply-To: <1112063888.3274.10.camel@harpo.curmudgeon.not> References: <1112063888.3274.10.camel@harpo.curmudgeon.not> Message-ID: On Mon, 28 Mar 2005, Dr. Daniel Loomis wrote: > P.S. Is sound on clients now a lost cause with 4.2.0? I had it working > very well in 3.1.0, even using crossover plugin. None of the fixes > listed on the Wiki pages have helped. I don't see much happening in the area of sound. I've been trying really hard to erect a "Somebody Else's Problem" field around sound, but one of the schools I support has started to make quite a bit of noise. Perhaps this should be the "long thread of the day"... If you have remote sound working: * are you using ESD or NASD? * what applications work, which don't? * did you have to make any changes from the default? * other tips and tricks? -Eric From jam at mcquil.com Tue Mar 29 04:55:19 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 23:55:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Sound on terminals, Was: XKB Error In-Reply-To: References: <1112063888.3274.10.camel@harpo.curmudgeon.not> Message-ID: Eric, I'm thinking that LTSP has grown enough that we should be able to work with the other projects, to help them understand how important it is to have network transparent sound. I figure we'll get some chance to work with the Ubuntu guys on this, and then at the end of May I'll be at Guadec (Gnome User and Developer European Conference) in Stuttgart. That will give me a chance to talk with the Gnome guys. I've heard that nasd is a dead project, and esound is being replaced by gstreamer. I've also heard that KDE is adopting gstreamer. Then there's MAS. The MAS guys are VERY willing to work with us, but I don't know of anybody actually using MAS yet. It seems to me that if Gnome and KDE are moving towards gstreamer, then we need to also. I guess short-term, we should get esd and nasd working better, but long-term we'll head for gstreamer. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Mon, 28 Mar 2005, Eric Harrison wrote: > On Mon, 28 Mar 2005, Dr. Daniel Loomis wrote: > > > P.S. Is sound on clients now a lost cause with 4.2.0? I had it working > > very well in 3.1.0, even using crossover plugin. None of the fixes > > listed on the Wiki pages have helped. > > I don't see much happening in the area of sound. I've been trying > really hard to erect a "Somebody Else's Problem" field around sound, > but one of the schools I support has started to make quite a bit of > noise. > > Perhaps this should be the "long thread of the day"... > > If you have remote sound working: > > * are you using ESD or NASD? > * what applications work, which don't? > * did you have to make any changes from the default? > * other tips and tricks? > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From kjell_andersson at mail.com Tue Mar 29 05:06:25 2005 From: kjell_andersson at mail.com (Kjell Andersson) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 00:06:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] How do i enable XDMCP in K12ltsp 4.2.0 ? Message-ID: <20050329050625.6F0A16EEF6@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> It is the standard setup but this time i inactivated the firewall ( i have freesco ) and selinux. I have two network cards one 3com 905 TX and one realtec clone 8139D. I am using the 192.168.0.254/ 255.255.255.0 adress for the client and DHCP fo the other one. This time i get as far as Building the /tmp/XF86Config-4 file Release date 18 december 2003 X-protocol Version 11 revision 0 release 6.7 Build Operating System linux (non) 2.4.25-ltsp-2 #1 sat Nov 13 00:28:51 UTC 2004 i 486 Before reporting problems, check http://wikwi.X.org to make sure that you have the latest version. Module loader present Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, ( this goes on to the lie saying ) (++) using config file "/tmp/ XF86Config.1"( (and the client has hung) this is as far i have gotten. the client is a AMD 486 120Mhz with 130 Mb RAM and a realtec network card and a Matrox Mystique grahpics card. I have tried a lot of different X-servers besides the Auto setting but nothing works ! I am clueless apart from the fact that the client hangs when trying to build the X-config or some actions close to that. Regards Kjell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Harrison" To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Subject: Re: [K12OSN] How do i enable XDMCP in K12ltsp 4.2.0 ? Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 19:41:56 -0800 (PST) > > On Mon, 28 Mar 2005, Rob Owens wrote: > > > Every time I run ltspadmin it tells me XDMCP is not > > running, even though my system is working fine. Maybe > > some of my config files aren't exactly right, but like > > I said, it is working for me. > > I just checked a fresh install and ltspadmin also reports > that XDMCP is not running. Ltspadmin used to recognize > the default K12LTSP install settings, I'll have to look > to see what changed. > > > I think if you get a gray screen with an X in the > > middle and it hangs there, then XDMCP is the culprit. > > But if you don't even get the gray screen, then I > > think maybe it's a problem w/ your video mode and > > you'll have to take a look at lts.conf > > > > ...but I'm no expert > > DNS problems can also cause the grey-screen-of-death. > > Kjell, can you tell us a little bit about your setup? > Is it a default install (two ethernet cards, with eth0 > having the IP address of 192.168.0.254)? > > Did you do anything different or special? > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Mar 29 05:37:58 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 21:37:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] How do i enable XDMCP in K12ltsp 4.2.0 ? In-Reply-To: <20050329050625.6F0A16EEF6@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20050329050625.6F0A16EEF6@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: The increased detail helps quite a bit. Thanks Kjell! Since the client hangs at this line: > (++) using config file "/tmp/ XF86Config.1"( my first guess would be a video driver problem is crashing the client. Try using the vesa driver and see if the problem persists. Edit /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf and change: XSERVER = auto to: XSERVER = vesa -Eric On Tue, 29 Mar 2005, Kjell Andersson wrote: > It is the standard setup but this time i inactivated the firewall ( i have freesco ) > and selinux. I have two network cards one 3com 905 TX and one realtec clone 8139D. > I am using the 192.168.0.254/ 255.255.255.0 adress for the client and DHCP fo the other one. > This time i get as far as > > Building the /tmp/XF86Config-4 file > Release date 18 december 2003 > X-protocol Version 11 revision 0 release 6.7 > Build Operating System linux (non) 2.4.25-ltsp-2 #1 sat Nov 13 00:28:51 UTC 2004 i 486 > Before reporting problems, check http://wikwi.X.org > to make sure that you have the latest version. > Module loader present > Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, > ( this goes on to the lie saying ) > (++) using config file "/tmp/ XF86Config.1"( > > (and the client has hung) > this is as far i have gotten. > the client is a AMD 486 120Mhz with 130 Mb RAM and a realtec network card > and a Matrox Mystique grahpics card. > I have tried a lot of different X-servers besides the Auto setting but nothing works ! > I am clueless apart from the fact that the client hangs when trying to build the X-config > or some actions close to that. > > Regards Kjell From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue Mar 29 05:56:09 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 21:56:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Sound on terminals, Was: XKB Error In-Reply-To: References: <1112063888.3274.10.camel@harpo.curmudgeon.not> Message-ID: Hey Jim, I should have made my post a little clearer. I was thinking about short-term, get-it-to-work-today tips and tricks. As for mid-to-long term strategies, I'm excited to be working with you to make them happen! -Eric On Mon, 28 Mar 2005, Jim McQuillan wrote: > Eric, > > I'm thinking that LTSP has grown enough that we should be able to work > with the other projects, to help them understand how important it is to > have network transparent sound. > > I figure we'll get some chance to work with the Ubuntu guys on this, and > then at the end of May I'll be at Guadec (Gnome User and Developer > European Conference) in Stuttgart. That will give me a chance to talk > with the Gnome guys. > > I've heard that nasd is a dead project, and esound is being replaced by > gstreamer. I've also heard that KDE is adopting gstreamer. > > Then there's MAS. The MAS guys are VERY willing to work with us, but I > don't know of anybody actually using MAS yet. > > It seems to me that if Gnome and KDE are moving towards gstreamer, then > we need to also. > > I guess short-term, we should get esd and nasd working better, but > long-term we'll head for gstreamer. > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > > On Mon, 28 Mar 2005, Eric Harrison wrote: > >> On Mon, 28 Mar 2005, Dr. Daniel Loomis wrote: >> >>> P.S. Is sound on clients now a lost cause with 4.2.0? I had it working >>> very well in 3.1.0, even using crossover plugin. None of the fixes >>> listed on the Wiki pages have helped. >> >> I don't see much happening in the area of sound. I've been trying >> really hard to erect a "Somebody Else's Problem" field around sound, >> but one of the schools I support has started to make quite a bit of >> noise. >> >> Perhaps this should be the "long thread of the day"... >> >> If you have remote sound working: >> >> * are you using ESD or NASD? >> * what applications work, which don't? >> * did you have to make any changes from the default? >> * other tips and tricks? >> >> -Eric >> From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Tue Mar 29 07:37:14 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 23:37:14 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Squid Question In-Reply-To: <20050328193227.M69827@bsd.sk.ca> References: <1eb89cf205032409476dd8d99c@mail.gmail.com> <15a7ed178478489ef99fb3772a3ea3e8@renarts.org> <20050328193227.M69827@bsd.sk.ca> Message-ID: Here's an alternative solution. I run SG/DG and like it in a school setting, but at home I bought the new Linksys router ($69 Sam's Club) that has a parental control filter built into the router using some kind of external proxy server--so it cannot be bypassed by anyone on the local network. $40/year. Basically is a blacklist system (no weighted phrases). Was wondering for a long time why nobody did this--now Linksys and Netopia have models that do. Only real downside for ltsp is that it sees the ltsp server/clients as one machine, so whatever filtering level you assign to the server is the filtering level for all users. Upside is basic simplicity and ease of installation and use. -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Tue Mar 29 07:46:04 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 02:46:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound / MIDI / CCRMA In-Reply-To: <20050329055632.1DF037354D@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050329055632.1DF037354D@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1112082363.15853.56.camel@fedora2.thebaillies.lan> I was looking at planet CCRMA this afternoon for use here at home http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/software/ Quote: "Planet CCRMA (CCRMA is pronounced ``karma'') at Home is a collection of rpms (RPM stands for RedHat Package Manager) that you can add to a computer running RedHat 9 or Fedora Core 1, 2 or 3 to transform it into an audio workstation with a low-latency kernel, current ALSA audio drivers and a nice set of music, midi, audio and video applications. Here at CCRMA we use a consistent and well defined Linux environment for our daily work in audio and computer music and research. With the Planet CCRMA at Home package collection, you can easily install most of that environment on your own Linux system." I doubt this is a feasible application for use on terminals but it would be fantastic to be able to run a MIDI sequencer on terminals along with a USB MIDI keyboard. Instant music lab. If I wanted to experiment with this how would I go about adding an alternative kernel to tftboot? From hick518 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 29 11:10:46 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 03:10:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Accelerated Reader and Star Reader programs In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050329111046.73377.qmail@web41603.mail.yahoo.com> Ann, If your problem is that you don't know where to locate the files that wine installed, you need to find a directory on your computer called "fake_windows". If you installed Accelerated Reader as a user, it will be found in $HOME/.wine Once you find the fake_windows directory, switch to it and you'll see a "Program Files" directory. Switch to that and locate the *.exe file that you need to run. -Rob --- Ann Butler wrote: > Running a PC environment. I am exploring W.I.N.E. > as well.. > I would love for you to tell me your results. It > looks like > Accelerated Reader installed but I can not seem to > find out > How to run it. (I am working at an extra challenge > because I > Am very new to Linux) Any help would be appreciated > !! > > Thanks > > Ann Butler > Western Heights Public School District > Oklahoma City, Oklahoma > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of William Parrott > Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 7:07 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Accelerated Reader and Star > Reader programs > > Ann, > > Are you running AR in a MAC or PC environment? I am > exploring W.I.N.E. > to see what existing apps will run from our PC > environment. I was > planning to test AR next week to see if it will run. > Would be happy to > let you know what I find out. > > William > > > William Parrott > Greensville County Schools > Emporia, Virginia > > >Has anyone found anything that allows you to load > up > Accelerated Reader and Star onto your Linux boxes ?? > >That is the only hold back right now. Any > suggestions on > solving this problem. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Sports - Sign up for Fantasy Baseball. http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/ From hick518 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 29 11:16:56 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 03:16:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] How do i enable XDMCP in K12ltsp 4.2.0 ? In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050329111656.16304.qmail@web41606.mail.yahoo.com> For what it's worth, my thin client hangs at that same spot every now and then. Maybe once in every 10 or 15 boots. In my case, I just hit "reset" on the client and it usually boots up fine the next time. -Rob --- Kjell Andersson wrote: > This time i get as far as > > Building the /tmp/XF86Config-4 file > Release date 18 december 2003 > X-protocol Version 11 revision 0 release 6.7 > Build Operating System linux (non) 2.4.25-ltsp-2 #1 > sat Nov 13 00:28:51 UTC 2004 i 486 > Before reporting problems, check > http://wikwi.X.org > to make sure that you have the latest > version. > Module loader present > Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) > default setting, > ( this goes on to the lie saying ) > (++) using config file "/tmp/ XF86Config.1"( > > (and the client has hung) > this is as far i have gotten. > the client is a AMD 486 120Mhz with 130 Mb RAM and a > realtec network card > and a Matrox Mystique grahpics card. > I have tried a lot of different X-servers besides > the Auto setting but nothing works ! > I am clueless apart from the fact that the client > hangs when trying to build the X-config > or some actions close to that. > > Regards Kjell > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eric Harrison" > > To: "Support list for opensource software in > schools." > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] How do i enable XDMCP in > K12ltsp 4.2.0 ? > Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 19:41:56 -0800 (PST) > > > > > On Mon, 28 Mar 2005, Rob Owens wrote: > > > > > Every time I run ltspadmin it tells me XDMCP is > not > > > running, even though my system is working fine. > Maybe > > > some of my config files aren't exactly right, > but like > > > I said, it is working for me. > > > > I just checked a fresh install and ltspadmin also > reports > > that XDMCP is not running. Ltspadmin used to > recognize > > the default K12LTSP install settings, I'll have to > look > > to see what changed. > > > > > I think if you get a gray screen with an X in > the > > > middle and it hangs there, then XDMCP is the > culprit. > > > But if you don't even get the gray screen, then > I > > > think maybe it's a problem w/ your video mode > and > > > you'll have to take a look at lts.conf > > > > > > ...but I'm no expert > > > > DNS problems can also cause the > grey-screen-of-death. > > > > Kjell, can you tell us a little bit about your > setup? > > Is it a default install (two ethernet cards, with > eth0 > > having the IP address of 192.168.0.254)? > > > > Did you do anything different or special? > > > > -Eric > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > -- > ___________________________________________________________ > Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com > http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From hick518 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 29 11:37:39 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 03:37:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Sound on terminals, Was: XKB Error In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050329113739.58222.qmail@web41609.mail.yahoo.com> On my Mandrake 10.1 system with ltsp on top, I am using xmms successfully. Mplayer locks up and has to be killed, but I'm not sure if that's sound-related or not. Those are the only 2 sound apps I've tried. I use esd and all I did was edit lts.conf to include SOUND = Y and the proper driver for my ISA sound board. Of course, I had to select the esd sound output in xmms. Mplayer shows esd as an available driver, but I can't tell how to select it (maybe that's not necessary?) My one-and-only thin client has a static IP address, in case that matters. -Rob --- Eric Harrison wrote: > On Mon, 28 Mar 2005, Dr. Daniel Loomis wrote: > > > P.S. Is sound on clients now a lost cause with > 4.2.0? I had it working > > very well in 3.1.0, even using crossover plugin. > None of the fixes > > listed on the Wiki pages have helped. > > I don't see much happening in the area of sound. > I've been trying > really hard to erect a "Somebody Else's Problem" > field around sound, > but one of the schools I support has started to make > quite a bit of > noise. > > Perhaps this should be the "long thread of the > day"... > > If you have remote sound working: > > * are you using ESD or NASD? > * what applications work, which don't? > * did you have to make any changes from the > default? > * other tips and tricks? > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From trond at mahlum.biz Tue Mar 29 12:34:57 2005 From: trond at mahlum.biz (Trond =?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E6hlum?=) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 14:34:57 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound on terminals, Was: XKB Error In-Reply-To: References: <1112063888.3274.10.camel@harpo.curmudgeon.not> Message-ID: <1112099697.7817.8.camel@voyager> man, 28,.03.2005 kl. 19.59 -0800, skrev Eric Harrison: > Perhaps this should be the "long thread of the day"... > > If you have remote sound working: > > * are you using ESD or NASD? > * what applications work, which don't? > * did you have to make any changes from the default? > * other tips and tricks? I have sound working with NASD. I am using icewm and we use *arts* for sound in mplayer an other programs - not oss. I added artsd to /etc/profile.d/ltsp-esound.sh like so: nasd) # # Lets do a better job of environment checking here so we dont goof up # sound for the user when logged into the server machine or when you # login as root. # PRELOAD_LIBS="/lib/libaudiooss.so.1.0" export_libs export AUDIOSERVER="$DISPLAY" # # Uncomment the following to enable this to work with "wine" # This also works well with the Linux ICA client. export AUDIOOSS_WINE_HACK="y" /usr/bin/artsd -r 11025 & ;; I have sound in everyting I have tried. Firefox (Flash), Xmms, mplayer and even in Windowsapplications using wine. I had to experiment with the sampling rate as any higher than 11025 gave clicking sounds. But after all, I'm not using the terminals as a stereo. Regards Trond M?hlum > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us Tue Mar 29 13:56:01 2005 From: mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us (mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 08:56:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] mDNSResponder In-Reply-To: References: <1eb89cf205032409476dd8d99c@mail.gmail.com> <15a7ed178478489ef99fb3772a3ea3e8@renarts.org> <20050328193227.M69827@bsd.sk.ca> Message-ID: <3116.192.168.0.21.1112104561.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> I have built samba and squid servers based on the K12LTSP 4.2.0 ISO's. I noticed that mDNSResponder is a service that is started. Is this needed for a squid or samba server? Is it any kind of security exposure if the server has an Internet connection? Doing a search on it indicates that it has something to do with a discovery IP process. Mark Orenstein East Granby, CT School System From petre at maltzen.net Tue Mar 29 14:24:52 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 08:24:52 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] How do i enable XDMCP in K12ltsp 4.2.0 ? In-Reply-To: References: <20050329003558.79524.qmail@web41625.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42496534.4020101@maltzen.net> Just adding my two cents to muddy the waters: I moved my test server the other day; it has only one client, and also is my desktop machine. After the move, the client hung at trying to load the kernel, due to a closed port courtesy of iptables. Opened that port, rebooted the client--and it hung at the nfs mounts. Opened those ports in iptables, reboot the client--and got the grey screen with the X. The LTSP docs say the client isn't communicating with the Window Manager, which happens on port 177. Opened *that* port in iptables, and now everything else is working. I suspect that prior to moving I had just turned iptables off. I just offer this as something to check, since before I started opening ports, I went through checking to make sure everything was running--tftp, xdmcp, etc.--and it was, but it turned out not to be related to the problem. Petre Eric Harrison wrote: > On Mon, 28 Mar 2005, Rob Owens wrote: > >> Every time I run ltspadmin it tells me XDMCP is not >> running, even though my system is working fine. Maybe >> some of my config files aren't exactly right, but like >> I said, it is working for me. > > > I just checked a fresh install and ltspadmin also reports > that XDMCP is not running. Ltspadmin used to recognize > the default K12LTSP install settings, I'll have to look > to see what changed. > >> I think if you get a gray screen with an X in the >> middle and it hangs there, then XDMCP is the culprit. >> But if you don't even get the gray screen, then I >> think maybe it's a problem w/ your video mode and >> you'll have to take a look at lts.conf >> >> ...but I'm no expert > > > DNS problems can also cause the grey-screen-of-death. > > Kjell, can you tell us a little bit about your setup? > Is it a default install (two ethernet cards, with eth0 > having the IP address of 192.168.0.254)? > > Did you do anything different or special? > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Tue Mar 29 14:25:07 2005 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 22:25:07 +0800 Subject: mplayer lockup - was: Re: [K12OSN] Sound on terminals, Was: XKB Error In-Reply-To: <20050329113739.58222.qmail@web41609.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050329113739.58222.qmail@web41609.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1112106307.5333.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2005-03-29 at 03:37 -0800, Rob Owens wrote: > On my Mandrake 10.1 system with ltsp on top, I am > using xmms successfully. Mplayer locks up and has to > be killed, but I'm not sure if that's sound-related or > not. Those are the only 2 sound apps I've tried. -snip- try mplayer with "-nosound" option if running from CLI. See "mplayer --help". Works for me running movies beyond the capabilities of my ol' PII450MHz -- Regards, Gavin Chester (Principal) |instruments and services ECOSOLUTIONS (R) - |for environmental research |and monitoring 962 Williams Rd, Dwellingup, Western Australia 6213 PO Box 62, Dwellingup, Western Australia 6213 Tel: +61 8 95381102 Fax: +61 8 95381409 (R) ecosolutions is a Registered TradeMark From jim at winonacotter.org Tue Mar 29 14:45:23 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 08:45:23 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound on terminals, Was: XKB Error In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002901c5346d$f02a49b0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > I don't see much happening in the area of sound. I've been > trying really hard to erect a "Somebody Else's Problem" field > around sound, but one of the schools I support has started to > make quite a bit of noise. > > Perhaps this should be the "long thread of the day"... > > If you have remote sound working: > > * are you using ESD or NASD? > * what applications work, which don't? > * did you have to make any changes from the default? > * other tips and tricks? The only sound apps I have needed at home as of late is RealPlayer10 to play mp3's and sound in Gcompris for my daughter (I'm sure there is a better app for mp3 playback but I wanted to test the Linux version of Real). In order to get sound working here I use NASD for Term150's and have my user set to log into IceWM and my daughters into Gnome. For some reason Reals sound won't work in Gnome and Gcompris won't work in IceWM. I don't know what the difference is between them but maybe it would give someone with more knowledge in this area a clue why sound isn't working as well in the newest releases of K12LTSP. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Tue Mar 29 15:26:28 2005 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 23:26:28 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound on terminals, Was: XKB Error In-Reply-To: <002901c5346d$f02a49b0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <002901c5346d$f02a49b0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1112109988.5333.65.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2005-03-29 at 08:45 -0600, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > I don't see much happening in the area of sound. I've been > > trying really hard to erect a "Somebody Else's Problem" field > > around sound, but one of the schools I support has started to > > make quite a bit of noise. > > > > Perhaps this should be the "long thread of the day"... > > > > If you have remote sound working: > > > > * are you using ESD or NASD? > > * what applications work, which don't? > > * did you have to make any changes from the default? > > * other tips and tricks? > > The only sound apps I have needed at home as of late is RealPlayer10 to > play mp3's and sound in Gcompris for my daughter (I'm sure there is a > better app for mp3 playback but I wanted to test the Linux version of > Real). In order to get sound working here I use NASD for Term150's and > have my user set to log into IceWM and my daughters into Gnome. For > some reason Reals sound won't work in Gnome and Gcompris won't work in > IceWM. > > I don't know what the difference is between them but maybe it would give > someone with more knowledge in this area a clue why sound isn't working > as well in the newest releases of K12LTSP. > I seem to have no problem with sound on clients. My clients have PCI sound cards (SB-compatible) and cheap external speakers. I use IceWM and GCompris for my littlest kids - and am leaning more toward XFce for them instead (nicer WM, in my opinion). Sound seems to work with both WMs. The kids love sound effects with GCompris (and other kid's apps) and I have to implore them to turn it down all the time! I also have sound on my dual-purpose workstation/K12LTSP server running XFce with onboard sound and tinny internal speaker. I also just tested GCompris on this and it's loud and clear (albeit tinny). Funny though, FC3 didn't detect the sound hardware at install and when using KDE's "detect sound card" utility it always comes up with a blank, whereas RH8 could find it. Odd. I had no idea what sound daemon I was using so I did a "ps aux' and root seems to being using arts whereas users are using esd. I had no hand in it being that way, it just happened! FWIW: I have just set up 4.2.0 in a very small home network consisting of a dual-purpose server/workstation PII450MHz PC serving only 4 x PII thin clients (I have the client hard drives in a caddy and I just pop out the drive when I want to allow a Romomatic floppy boot into K12LTSP. Thanks, Eric and others - it "just works" and I have been delighted with how simple v4.2.0 has been to setup). (PS: I hope my response adds to the discussion - I certainly don't want to sound like I'm boasting since I did nothing to achieve success with sound) -- Regards, Gavin Chester From caldodge at fpcc.net Tue Mar 29 16:18:33 2005 From: caldodge at fpcc.net (Calvin Dodge) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 09:18:33 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] mDNSResponder In-Reply-To: <3116.192.168.0.21.1112104561.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> References: <1eb89cf205032409476dd8d99c@mail.gmail.com> <15a7ed178478489ef99fb3772a3ea3e8@renarts.org> <20050328193227.M69827@bsd.sk.ca> <3116.192.168.0.21.1112104561.squirrel@mail.eastgranby.k12.ct.us> Message-ID: <20050329161833.GA10575@fpcc.net> On Tue, Mar 29, 2005 at 08:56:01AM -0500, mrok12osn at eastgranby.k12.ct.us wrote: > I have built samba and squid servers based on the K12LTSP 4.2.0 ISO's. > > I noticed that mDNSResponder is a service that is started. Is this needed > for a squid or samba server? Is it any kind of security exposure if the No. > server has an Internet connection? Sorry, I don't know. > Doing a search on it indicates that it has something to do with a > discovery IP process. It's an open source implementation of Apple's Rendezvous package, which lets computers discover each other and their resources. I suspect that it's not needed if you don't have Macs on your LAN. I typically disable mDNSResponder and nifd on any servers I set up, and I suspect you can do the same. Calvin -- Calvin Dodge Certified Linux Bigot (tm) http://www.caldodge.fpcc.net From kjell_andersson at mail.com Tue Mar 29 21:22:09 2005 From: kjell_andersson at mail.com (Kjell Andersson) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 16:22:09 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] How do i enable XDMCP in K12ltsp 4.2.0 ? Message-ID: <20050329212209.60F1B1CE303@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> Hi Eric ! I have tried Xserver = vesa Xserver = mga Xserver = vga Xserver = XF86_SVGA and nothing works ! I even tried another machine as client and went back to Xserver = auto and that didn't work either. I'll give it another try tomorrow evening and by the way ltspadmin reports that XDMCP is running the only thing it say no on is if it is enabled, thats no, and it is using none of the windowhanders it found GDM,KDM and XDM ! perhaps i should testrun the client with knoppix, just to se if that works ! /Kjell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Harrison" To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Subject: Re: [K12OSN] How do i enable XDMCP in K12ltsp 4.2.0 ? Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 21:37:58 -0800 (PST) > > > The increased detail helps quite a bit. Thanks Kjell! > > Since the client hangs at this line: > > > (++) using config file "/tmp/ XF86Config.1"( > > my first guess would be a video driver problem is crashing the > client. Try using the vesa driver and see if the problem persists. > Edit /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf and change: > > XSERVER = auto to: > XSERVER = vesa > > -Eric > > On Tue, 29 Mar 2005, Kjell Andersson wrote: > > > It is the standard setup but this time i inactivated the firewall > > ( i have freesco ) > > and selinux. I have two network cards one 3com 905 TX and one > > realtec clone 8139D. > > I am using the 192.168.0.254/ 255.255.255.0 adress for the client > > and DHCP fo the other one. > > This time i get as far as > > > > Building the /tmp/XF86Config-4 file > > Release date 18 december 2003 > > X-protocol Version 11 revision 0 release 6.7 > > Build Operating System linux (non) 2.4.25-ltsp-2 #1 sat Nov 13 > > 00:28:51 UTC 2004 i 486 > > Before reporting problems, check http://wikwi.X.org > > to make sure that you have the latest version. > > Module loader present > > Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, > > ( this goes on to the lie saying ) > > (++) using config file "/tmp/ XF86Config.1"( > > > > (and the client has hung) > > this is as far i have gotten. > > the client is a AMD 486 120Mhz with 130 Mb RAM and a realtec network card > > and a Matrox Mystique grahpics card. > > I have tried a lot of different X-servers besides the Auto > > setting but nothing works ! > > I am clueless apart from the fact that the client hangs when > > trying to build the X-config > > or some actions close to that. > > > > Regards Kjell > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From kjell_andersson at mail.com Tue Mar 29 21:25:26 2005 From: kjell_andersson at mail.com (Kjell Andersson) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 16:25:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] How do i enable XDMCP in K12ltsp 4.2.0 ? Message-ID: <20050329212526.6A806164005@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> Hi Rob! what is the hardware in your client ? and what bios settings do you use for it ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Owens" To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Subject: Re: [K12OSN] How do i enable XDMCP in K12ltsp 4.2.0 ? Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 03:16:56 -0800 (PST) > > For what it's worth, my thin client hangs at that same > spot every now and then. Maybe once in every 10 or 15 > boots. In my case, I just hit "reset" on the client > and it usually boots up fine the next time. > > -Rob > > --- Kjell Andersson wrote: > > > This time i get as far as Building the /tmp/XF86Config-4 file > > Release date 18 december 2003 > > X-protocol Version 11 revision 0 release 6.7 > > Build Operating System linux (non) 2.4.25-ltsp-2 #1 > > sat Nov 13 00:28:51 UTC 2004 i 486 > > Before reporting problems, check > > http://wikwi.X.org > > to make sure that you have the latest > > version. > > Module loader present > > Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) > > default setting, > > ( this goes on to the lie saying ) > > (++) using config file "/tmp/ XF86Config.1"( > > > > (and the client has hung) > > this is as far i have gotten. > > the client is a AMD 486 120Mhz with 130 Mb RAM and a > > realtec network card > > and a Matrox Mystique grahpics card. > > I have tried a lot of different X-servers besides > > the Auto setting but nothing works ! I am clueless apart from the > > fact that the client > > hangs when trying to build the X-config or some actions close to that. > > > > Regards Kjell ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Eric Harrison" > > > > To: "Support list for opensource software in > > schools." > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] How do i enable XDMCP in > > K12ltsp 4.2.0 ? > > Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 19:41:56 -0800 (PST) > > > > > > On Mon, 28 Mar 2005, Rob Owens wrote: > > > > > Every time I run ltspadmin it tells me XDMCP is > > not > > > > running, even though my system is working fine. Maybe > > > > some of my config files aren't exactly right, > > but like > > > > I said, it is working for me. > > > > I just checked a fresh install and ltspadmin also > > reports > > > that XDMCP is not running. Ltspadmin used to > > recognize > > > the default K12LTSP install settings, I'll have to > > look > > > to see what changed. > > > > > I think if you get a gray screen with an X in > > the > > > > middle and it hangs there, then XDMCP is the > > culprit. > > > > But if you don't even get the gray screen, then > > I > > > > think maybe it's a problem w/ your video mode > > and > > > > you'll have to take a look at lts.conf > > > > > > > > ...but I'm no expert > > > > DNS problems can also cause the > > grey-screen-of-death. > > > > Kjell, can you tell us a little bit about your > > setup? > > > Is it a default install (two ethernet cards, with > > eth0 > > > having the IP address of 192.168.0.254)? > > > > Did you do anything different or special? > > > > -Eric > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > -- > ___________________________________________________________ > > Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com > > http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. > http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From kjell_andersson at mail.com Tue Mar 29 21:28:05 2005 From: kjell_andersson at mail.com (Kjell Andersson) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 16:28:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] How do i enable XDMCP in K12ltsp 4.2.0 ? Message-ID: <20050329212805.BC916164005@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> Ok, thanks i'll check that as well ! / Kjell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Petre Scheie" To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Subject: Re: [K12OSN] How do i enable XDMCP in K12ltsp 4.2.0 ? Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 08:24:52 -0600 > > Just adding my two cents to muddy the waters: I moved my test > server the other day; it has only one client, and also is my > desktop machine. After the move, the client hung at trying to load > the kernel, due to a closed port courtesy of iptables. Opened that > port, rebooted the client--and it hung at the nfs mounts. Opened > those ports in iptables, reboot the client--and got the grey screen > with the X. The LTSP docs say the client isn't communicating with > the Window Manager, which happens on port 177. Opened *that* port > in iptables, and now everything else is working. I suspect that > prior to moving I had just turned iptables off. I just offer this > as something to check, since before I started opening ports, I went > through checking to make sure everything was running--tftp, xdmcp, > etc.--and it was, but it turned out not to be related to the > problem. > > Petre > > Eric Harrison wrote: > > On Mon, 28 Mar 2005, Rob Owens wrote: > > > >> Every time I run ltspadmin it tells me XDMCP is not > >> running, even though my system is working fine. Maybe > >> some of my config files aren't exactly right, but like > >> I said, it is working for me. > > > > > > I just checked a fresh install and ltspadmin also reports > > that XDMCP is not running. Ltspadmin used to recognize > > the default K12LTSP install settings, I'll have to look > > to see what changed. > > > >> I think if you get a gray screen with an X in the > >> middle and it hangs there, then XDMCP is the culprit. > >> But if you don't even get the gray screen, then I > >> think maybe it's a problem w/ your video mode and > >> you'll have to take a look at lts.conf > >> > >> ...but I'm no expert > > > > > > DNS problems can also cause the grey-screen-of-death. > > > > Kjell, can you tell us a little bit about your setup? > > Is it a default install (two ethernet cards, with eth0 > > having the IP address of 192.168.0.254)? > > > > Did you do anything different or special? > > > > -Eric > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From cliebow at downeast.net Tue Mar 29 21:25:17 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 21:25:17 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] How do i enable XDMCP in K12ltsp 4.2.0 ? Message-ID: <200503292020.j2TKKRX05121@downeast.net> are you having trouble with xdmcp: if so run netstat -anp|grep 177.if it is not listening check kdmrc for port=177 and enabled=true..then check Xacess to be sure there is an uncommented line with * probably right answer to wrong question but... > Hi Eric ! > > I have tried > > Xserver = vesa > Xserver = mga > Xserver = vga > Xserver = XF86_SVGA > > and nothing works ! > > I even tried another machine as client > and went back to > Xserver = auto > > and that didn't work either. > > I'll give it another try tomorrow evening > > and by the way ltspadmin reports that XDMCP is running > the only thing it say no on is if it is enabled, thats no, > and it is using none of the windowhanders it found GDM,KDM and XDM ! > > perhaps i should testrun the client with knoppix, just to se if that works ! > > /Kjell > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eric Harrison" > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] How do i enable XDMCP in K12ltsp 4.2.0 ? > Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 21:37:58 -0800 (PST) > > > > > > > The increased detail helps quite a bit. Thanks Kjell! > > > > Since the client hangs at this line: > > > > > (++) using config file "/tmp/ XF86Config.1"( > > > > my first guess would be a video driver problem is crashing the > > client. Try using the vesa driver and see if the problem persists. > > Edit /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf and change: > > > > XSERVER = auto to: > > XSERVER = vesa > > > > -Eric > > > > On Tue, 29 Mar 2005, Kjell Andersson wrote: > > > > > It is the standard setup but this time i inactivated the firewall > > > ( i have freesco ) > > > and selinux. I have two network cards one 3com 905 TX and one > > > realtec clone 8139D. > > > I am using the 192.168.0.254/ 255.255.255.0 adress for the client > > > and DHCP fo the other one. > > > This time i get as far as > > > > > > Building the /tmp/XF86Config-4 file > > > Release date 18 december 2003 > > > X-protocol Version 11 revision 0 release 6.7 > > > Build Operating System linux (non) 2.4.25-ltsp-2 #1 sat Nov 13 > > > 00:28:51 UTC 2004 i 486 > > > Before reporting problems, check http://wikwi.X.org > > > to make sure that you have the latest version. > > > Module loader present > > > Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, > > > ( this goes on to the lie saying ) > > > (++) using config file "/tmp/ XF86Config.1"( > > > > > > (and the client has hung) > > > this is as far i have gotten. > > > the client is a AMD 486 120Mhz with 130 Mb RAM and a realtec network card > > > and a Matrox Mystique grahpics card. > > > I have tried a lot of different X-servers besides the Auto > > > setting but nothing works ! > > > I am clueless apart from the fact that the client hangs when > > > trying to build the X-config > > > or some actions close to that. > > > > > > Regards Kjell > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > -- > ___________________________________________________________ > Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com > http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue Mar 29 22:17:59 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 17:17:59 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] 2005 Linux Summer conference at Gould Academy (NE Linux Symposium)...register now Message-ID: Hi all! Well...hopefully the snow days are now behind us and we can start figuring out the end of the year. In these days of financial uncertainty, stretching our technology dollars may be more necessary than ever before. Knowledge is power...and you....my colleagues...are entitled to professional development as well as the opportunity to network with your peers. So.... Building on the success of the last two years, there will be another 3 day, hands-on, Linux workshop at [ http://www.gouldacademy.org/ ]Gould Academy in Bethel, Maine. This workshop is intended for network administrators, techies, newbies, and others who are integrating or considering integrating Linux into their networks or workstations. There will be sessions for all ability levels. It is a great opportunity for professional development in a beautiful western Maine Mountain setting. The day long workshops are designed to allow for significant hands-on time, allowing participants to apply what they learn on their own hardware. In many cases, participants will leave with fully configured servers or workstations that can then be deployed on their own networks. Last year we implemented a series of evening ?mini-sessions? on specialized topics such as multi-media on Linux, desktop publishing, and more. We will again be offering these sessions and are looking for presenters. If you have a specific skill or interest...[ mailto:dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us?subject=NELS%20mini-session%20information ]let me know. Tentative session ideas: Meet the man behind the Linux Terminal Server Project! Jim MacQuillan is coming to visit us! Jim will be with us on the 20th and will deliver a talk about LTSP and the future of Linux computing...and all the cool stuff coming down the pike. Samba/LDAP and the new smbldap-installer (it's now wicked easy to install!) K12LTSP version 4.2 and beyond Using Macs and Linux....Macs now work as Linux terminals! Also installing and running Linux on your Mac. Open Source OS X apps....now you can run Linux apps on your OS X machines! Mambo, PHPNuke, and more....setting up your own interactive web site (very cool!) Installing Fedora Core 3 (or 4 by then)....linux for newbies....learn how to get around...commands to make life easier (hopefully this will be taught by Joel from RedHat) SchoolTool Project (funded by the Shuttleworth Foundation) - http://www.schooltool.org/ Tom Hoffman will be here to present and demo SchoolTool. SchoolTool is being developed by Open Source programmers from all over the world. Tom is on the SchoolTool team and is anxious to show what it's all about! SchoolTool is a project to develop a common global school administration infrastructure that is freely available under an Open Source licence. See the site for mor info. (Very cool) "Making them all place nicely" - this year I have a Windows Terminal Server network that plays right along side my Linux Terminal Server network....I'm hoping to have at least a mini-session to discuss integration and how to make windows play nice with Linux. We'll also discuss OS X, but OS X generally is easy to make "play nice". Network security! Big topic... Backup strategies...did you know that there are Linux technologies to backup almost anything...including Windows? Building an inexpensive backup solution. TEaCH- Hopefully Scott Sherrill from Michigan will be able to join us and conduct a session on TEaCH. TEaCH is an open source tool allowing teachers to create webpages without HTML. Installed at the District level, TEaCH is webbased, giving teachers the ability to create and update their pages from any computer. AND I'M OPEN TO MANY MORE IDEAS...SO LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU WANT TO LEARN AND I'LL SEE IF I CAN PUT TOGETHER A SESSION FOR IT. Any questions or inquiries...simply let me know dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us For more info and to register...go here http://www.trasksinc.com/NELS/ ***I realize that some folks have put off registering while they submit PO's and so forth. Please don't wait...register now...that's the only way I can get numbers and be sure that your spot is saved (right now there are several spots left, but don't delay too long). Once you've registered...then put the PO's and so forth into motion....(yes I do realize that for some folks this takes a LONG time). Get the PO's or checks to me ASAP as it's just Matt and I planning this thing and we want to have all our ducks in a row by the beginning of June. Any questions...let me know. I hope to have a schedule of sessions done within a week or two. So get signed up so I know how many to plan for :-) *** David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From kmatson at pps.k12.or.us Tue Mar 29 23:13:11 2005 From: kmatson at pps.k12.or.us (Kevin Matson) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 15:13:11 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] lspci, hardware database, USB flash drive questions Message-ID: I have some quick questions that I'm sure will lead to further questions. First, is there a way to run the "lspci -vv" command from a thin client so that it reports on the PCI devices in the client and not the server? Second, is there a list of hardware supported by the Fedora project and the corresponding drivers needed to operate that hardware? And finally, when setting up the USB flash drive support the "rc.d/flash" script creates a "dev" directory inside of the "tmp" directory. I can't find this dev directory after the client has booted. It is neither in /tmp/ or /opt/ltsp/i386/tmp/. Where did this directory go? Thanks, Kevin M. ------------------------- Kevin Matson IT - Lab Team kmatson at pps.k12.or.us 503-916-2000 x4960 503-916-3375 Portland Public Schools From hick518 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 29 23:30:25 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 15:30:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] computer recycling website Message-ID: <20050329233025.54399.qmail@web41606.mail.yahoo.com> http://www.recycles.org/states/ I just stumbled across this. I haven't had time to look it over real well, but maybe it can help somebody on the list. -Rob __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From tlegge at rogers.com Wed Mar 30 00:03:07 2005 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 20:03:07 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] lspci, hardware database, USB flash drive questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4249ECBB.4010009@rogers.com> Kevin Matson wrote: > I have some quick questions that I'm sure will lead to further > questions. > First, is there a way to run the "lspci -vv" command from a thin > client so that it reports on the PCI devices in the client and not the > server? It is really quite simple: which lspci cp /locationof/lspci /opt/ltsp/1386/sbin/sbin/ cp /usr/share/hwdata/pci.ids /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/hwdata/ Enable a shell on the clients and swithch to it using the + run lspci to se the terminal hardware descriptions and lspci -n to get the pci ids. This has always worked for me but you may get different results Tim From hick518 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 30 00:24:48 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 16:24:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] How do i enable XDMCP in K12ltsp 4.2.0 ? In-Reply-To: <20050329212526.6A806164005@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <20050330002448.75927.qmail@web41610.mail.yahoo.com> --- Kjell Andersson wrote: > Hi Rob! > > what is the hardware in your client ? > and what bios settings do you use for it ? My client is an AMD-K6 (like a pentium 2, I believe), 233 MHz, with something like 131 MB of ram. My ethernet card uses the eepro100 ROM. The video card is a Diamond DM975. The BIOS is: Award Modular BIOS v4.51 PG, Copyright 1984-1998 When I enter the BIOS screen, across the top it says: ROM PCI/ISA BIOS (2A5LDSNA) As far as I know I'm using the standard BIOS settings, except that I set "PNP OS Installed: No" Some other BIOS settings pertaining to the video are: Assign IRQ for VGA: Enabled Video Bios Shadow: Enabled (and then all the options under that are set to "Disabled") Video BIOS Cacheable: Disabled Regarding my issues with XDMCP and ltspadmin: When I choose "configure LTSP", it checks a bunch of stuff and I see: Checking xdmcp...........Found: xdm, gdm Using: none! Then when I choose to manually configure Xdmcp, I get: The Xdmcp service is already enabled and running! My system works fine (I am using GDM). On bootup, the client gives some errors, though: various I/O errors on the hard drive that I have installed (but don't use now that LTSP is working). It says "unable to read partition table", although this hard drive works fine. and I also get: syslogd_ cannot write to remote handle on 192.168.2.254:514 192.168.2.254 is my ltsp server, but I don't know what the :514 is. I hope some of this helps. -Rob __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From kmatson at pps.k12.or.us Wed Mar 30 00:41:48 2005 From: kmatson at pps.k12.or.us (Kevin Matson) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 16:41:48 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] lspci, hardware database, USB flash drive questions Message-ID: Yep, that worked. Is there some way to get lspci added to the regular LTSP distribution? While I was in the terminal I noticed that the "find" command was also missing and that is my favorite crutch so could that be added as well? It would be very nice to be able to switch to a working virtual terminal when logged into X like you can do on a regular Linux client (Ctrl + Alt + F#)? When I try this now I just get a blank screen with a cursor but no prompt. Thanks, Kevin M. ------------------------- Kevin Matson IT - Lab Team kmatson at pps.k12.or.us 503-916-2000 x4960 503-916-3375 Portland Public Schools >>> tlegge at rogers.com 03/29/05 4:03 PM >>> Kevin Matson wrote: > I have some quick questions that I'm sure will lead to further > questions. > First, is there a way to run the "lspci -vv" command from a thin > client so that it reports on the PCI devices in the client and not the > server? It is really quite simple: which lspci cp /locationof/lspci /opt/ltsp/1386/sbin/sbin/ cp /usr/share/hwdata/pci.ids /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/hwdata/ Enable a shell on the clients and swithch to it using the + run lspci to se the terminal hardware descriptions and lspci -n to get the pci ids. This has always worked for me but you may get different results Tim _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From kmatson at pps.k12.or.us Wed Mar 30 00:45:13 2005 From: kmatson at pps.k12.or.us (Kevin Matson) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 16:45:13 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] lspci, hardware database, USB flash drive questions Message-ID: Thanks, that worked. Do you mind if I put your answer up on the LTSP wiki? You'll get the credit, I'll just do the data entry. Thanks, Kevin M. ------------------------- Kevin Matson IT - Lab Team kmatson at pps.k12.or.us 503-916-2000 x4960 503-916-3375 Portland Public Schools >>> tlegge at rogers.com 03/29/05 4:03 PM >>> Kevin Matson wrote: > I have some quick questions that I'm sure will lead to further > questions. > First, is there a way to run the "lspci -vv" command from a thin > client so that it reports on the PCI devices in the client and not the > server? It is really quite simple: which lspci cp /locationof/lspci /opt/ltsp/1386/sbin/sbin/ cp /usr/share/hwdata/pci.ids /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/hwdata/ Enable a shell on the clients and swithch to it using the + run lspci to se the terminal hardware descriptions and lspci -n to get the pci ids. This has always worked for me but you may get different results Tim _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From cliebow at downeast.net Wed Mar 30 00:48:18 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 00:48:18 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] lspci, hardware database, USB flash drive Message-ID: <200503292343.j2TNhQX03569@downeast.net> you can try quite a few of those executables from redhat into /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/bin..i use lsmod while woeking qith sound cards for instance..and netstat. > Yep, that worked. Is there some way to get lspci added to the regular > LTSP distribution? While I was in the terminal I noticed that the "find" > command was also missing and that is my favorite crutch so could that be > added as well? > > It would be very nice to be able to switch to a working virtual terminal > when logged into X like you can do on a regular Linux client (Ctrl + Alt > + F#)? When I try this now I just get a blank screen with a cursor but > no prompt. > > Thanks, > Kevin M. > > > ------------------------- > > Kevin Matson > IT - Lab Team > kmatson at pps.k12.or.us > 503-916-2000 x4960 > 503-916-3375 > > Portland Public Schools > >>> tlegge at rogers.com 03/29/05 4:03 PM >>> > Kevin Matson wrote: > > I have some quick questions that I'm sure will lead to further > > questions. > > First, is there a way to run the "lspci -vv" command from a thin > > client so that it reports on the PCI devices in the client and not the > > server? > > It is really quite simple: > > which lspci > cp /locationof/lspci /opt/ltsp/1386/sbin/sbin/ > cp /usr/share/hwdata/pci.ids /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/hwdata/ > > Enable a shell on the clients and swithch to it using the + > > run lspci to se the terminal hardware descriptions and lspci -n to get > the pci ids. > > This has always worked for me but you may get different results > > Tim > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Mar 30 01:17:28 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 20:17:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] I need help with an idea Message-ID: Hi all, I need help with an idea. With smbldap-installer pretty well set (don't worry we'll continue to keep it updated)....I'm searching for my next "big" thing. My forte is documentation. I'm thinking of trying to tackle local apps....in particular Firefox and hopefully the Flash plugin. I've taken a peek at the how-to on the wiki at ltsp.org. I briefly chatted with Chuck about possibly using Samba/LDAP instead of NIS and he seemed to indicate that this would be possible. In fact I can see how much of the set up of local apps could probably be scripted. My problem....I'm limited at the moment on test machines as I've deployed nearly everything I have. I will dig one up, but could use some help figuring some of this stuff out. Anyone successfully gotten local apps to run? In particular....Firefox? Anyone want to work with me on this? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Mar 30 01:22:10 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 17:22:10 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] lspci, hardware database, USB flash drive questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4249FF42.2050500@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Kevin Matson wrote: > Yep, that worked. Is there some way to get lspci added to the regular > LTSP distribution? While I was in the terminal I noticed that the "find" > command was also missing and that is my favorite crutch so could that be > added as well? I guess you can say we're working on this ;-) http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/MueKow > It would be very nice to be able to switch to a working virtual terminal > when logged into X like you can do on a regular Linux client (Ctrl + Alt > + F#)? When I try this now I just get a blank screen with a cursor but > no prompt. Add this to your lts.conf: SCREEN_02 = shell -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From Linux_Man at comcast.net Wed Mar 30 01:45:25 2005 From: Linux_Man at comcast.net (Brian Beck) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 20:45:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] I need help with an idea In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <424A04B5.2090700@comcast.net> David Trask wrote: >Hi all, > >I need help with an idea. With smbldap-installer pretty well set (don't >worry we'll continue to keep it updated)....I'm searching for my next >"big" thing. My forte is documentation. I'm thinking of trying to tackle >local apps....in particular Firefox and hopefully the Flash plugin. I've >taken a peek at the how-to on the wiki at ltsp.org. I briefly chatted >with Chuck about possibly using Samba/LDAP instead of NIS and he seemed to >indicate that this would be possible. In fact I can see how much of the >set up of local apps could probably be scripted. My problem....I'm >limited at the moment on test machines as I've deployed nearly everything >I have. I will dig one up, but could use some help figuring some of this >stuff out. Anyone successfully gotten local apps to run? In >particular....Firefox? Anyone want to work with me on this? > > While this certainly sounds possible, the only thing I would be concerned about is Client Memory. 128MB should be more than enough, and even 64MB would avoid problems, but Firefox is very memory-intensive as opposed to CPU-intensive, and if you're using older clients without much RAM they could potentially bottleneck. From steve.honeycutt at gmail.com Wed Mar 30 04:12:59 2005 From: steve.honeycutt at gmail.com (Steve Honeycutt) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 22:12:59 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] How do i enable XDMCP in K12ltsp 4.2.0 ? In-Reply-To: <20050330002448.75927.qmail@web41610.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050329212526.6A806164005@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> <20050330002448.75927.qmail@web41610.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <61bfa74305032920122254543@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 16:24:48 -0800 (PST), Rob Owens > and I also get: syslogd_ cannot write to remote > handle on 192.168.2.254:514 > 192.168.2.254 is my ltsp server, but I don't know what > the :514 is. > > I hope some of this helps. > > -Rob > > Rob, The ":514" is the port it's trying to communicate with. -- Best Regards, Steve www.slicehaven.com From cliebow at downeast.net Wed Mar 30 04:07:57 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 04:07:57 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] I need help with an idea Message-ID: <200503300303.j2U334X00813@downeast.net> David:i meant that using local apps to enable use of xiivnc does not require nis..bu if you think about it a terminal is a machine runing minimal linux which could include the ability to read /etc/ldap.conf and broadcast on 389 for authentication to an ldap server..ragnars article on using ltsp.schema to pass lts.conf options i think contains info on setting up ldap on terminals..will look tomorrow god willing i am well enough to go to school..chuck > Hi all, > > I need help with an idea. With smbldap-installer pretty well set (don't > worry we'll continue to keep it updated)....I'm searching for my next > "big" thing. My forte is documentation. I'm thinking of trying to tackle > local apps....in particular Firefox and hopefully the Flash plugin. I've > taken a peek at the how-to on the wiki at ltsp.org. I briefly chatted > with Chuck about possibly using Samba/LDAP instead of NIS and he seemed to > indicate that this would be possible. In fact I can see how much of the > set up of local apps could probably be scripted. My problem....I'm > limited at the moment on test machines as I've deployed nearly everything > I have. I will dig one up, but could use some help figuring some of this > stuff out. Anyone successfully gotten local apps to run? In > particular....Firefox? Anyone want to work with me on this? > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Mar 30 05:35:17 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 23:35:17 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] I need help with an idea In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050330053327.M13925@winonacotter.org> > worry we'll continue to keep it updated)....I'm searching for my next > "big" thing. You could always tackle sound....that'll keep you busy :-) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From bklinux at verizon.net Wed Mar 30 08:07:48 2005 From: bklinux at verizon.net (Byron Kapali) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 22:07:48 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Accessing removable media on thinclient?? Message-ID: <424A5E54.1070909@verizon.net> Aloha All, Noobie question: Is there a way to use the removable media (floppy, cdrom, usb) on the thin client while logged in to the K12LTSP server? Example: I boot the thin client from a universal boot floppy to create the lts session. I remove the boot disk. A student logs in and wants to work on a file that is on the floppy. After inserting the floppy disk, no icon appears to indicate that the floppy disk is accessible. What do I need to do? Byron Kapali Hilo High School From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Wed Mar 30 08:13:47 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 00:13:47 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Africa Humanitarian & Solar - Need help with IBM 8363 USB version Message-ID: Here is a note from my contact installing LTSP in third-world countries: > That thin client we're having problems with is the IBM 8363 (Netvista > N2200). It only has USB for keyboard and mouse. We got the ones that > had PS2 keyboards and mice going well, but we have 350 of these USB > ones that were donated to CFSK in Kenya. We want to use them in a > solar lab that we are designing (since about 1/2 of the High Schools > in Kenya don't have electricity). I believe the bios has to be > flashed so that it doesn't have an IP address "hard wired" into it and > will look for a DHCP server (K12LTSP). Does anyone know what to do with these to get them ltsp ready? Steve -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct From steve.honeycutt at gmail.com Wed Mar 30 08:54:14 2005 From: steve.honeycutt at gmail.com (Steve Honeycutt) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 02:54:14 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Accessing removable media on thinclient?? In-Reply-To: <424A5E54.1070909@verizon.net> References: <424A5E54.1070909@verizon.net> Message-ID: <61bfa74305033000546928e228@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 22:07:48 -1000, Byron Kapali wrote: > Aloha All, > Noobie question: Is there a way to use the removable media (floppy, > cdrom, usb) on the thin client while logged in to the K12LTSP server? > > Example: I boot the thin client from a universal boot floppy to create > the lts session. I remove the boot disk. A student logs in and wants > to work on a file that is on the floppy. After inserting the floppy > disk, no icon appears to indicate that the floppy disk is accessible. > What do I need to do? > > Byron Kapali > Hilo High School > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > This will be very rough around the edges Byron... so stay tuned for more precise guidance from a more experienced user. I believe that the user will have to open a terminal window and run a command along the lines of - for windows file system mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy for linux file system - do mount -t ext2 /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy There could be issues of users (other than su) not having privledges of being able to mount the floppy drive which are default configurations at install time - that could be thwarted by editing a configuration file... one which I couldn't tell you. Actually, I just googled and found a link that will show you how to allow users to mount a floppy drive... http://www.linuxheadquarters.com/howto/basic/floppy.shtml Hope that helps in some way... -- Best Regards, Steve www.slicehaven.com From tlegge at rogers.com Wed Mar 30 11:40:38 2005 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 07:40:38 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] lspci, hardware database, USB flash drive questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <424A9036.2010707@rogers.com> Kevin Matson wrote: > Thanks, that worked. Do you mind if I put your answer up on the LTSP > wiki? You'll get the credit, I'll just do the data entry. Go for it. BTW, it is ++, my mistake. Tim > > Thanks, > Kevin M. > > ------------------------- > > Kevin Matson > IT - Lab Team > kmatson at pps.k12.or.us > 503-916-2000 x4960 > 503-916-3375 > > Portland Public Schools > >>>>tlegge at rogers.com 03/29/05 4:03 PM >>> > > Kevin Matson wrote: > >>I have some quick questions that I'm sure will lead to further >>questions. >> First, is there a way to run the "lspci -vv" command from a thin >>client so that it reports on the PCI devices in the client and not the >>server? > > > It is really quite simple: > > which lspci > cp /locationof/lspci /opt/ltsp/1386/sbin/sbin/ > cp /usr/share/hwdata/pci.ids /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/hwdata/ > > Enable a shell on the clients and swithch to it using the + > > run lspci to se the terminal hardware descriptions and lspci -n to get > the pci ids. > > This has always worked for me but you may get different results > > Tim > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From cliebow at downeast.net Wed Mar 30 11:57:30 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:57:30 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] I need help with an idea Message-ID: <200503301052.j2UAqaJ23231@downeast.net> jim: think of it this way..if we go thru the linuxrc (i think) and understand how the sound modules are loaded for pc we oter be able to simulate that on the mac side.. > > worry we'll continue to keep it updated)....I'm searching for my next > > "big" thing. > > You could always tackle sound....that'll keep you busy :-) > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Mar 30 13:55:49 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 07:55:49 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] I need help with an idea In-Reply-To: <200503301052.j2UAqaJ23231@downeast.net> Message-ID: <000601c53530$2dc71010$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > jim: think of it this way..if we go thru the linuxrc (i > think) and understand how the sound modules are loaded for pc > we oter be able to simulate that on the mac side.. That is the approach I have tried to take....I just don't understand sound and Linux enough to get it working. But I'll keep plugging away in my free time (not that there is an abundance of it :-) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From nsinton at gmail.com Wed Mar 30 14:05:32 2005 From: nsinton at gmail.com (Nathan Sinton) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 06:05:32 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Accessing removable media on thinclient?? In-Reply-To: <61bfa74305033000546928e228@mail.gmail.com> References: <424A5E54.1070909@verizon.net> <61bfa74305033000546928e228@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2b06a1a0503300605241fe26f@mail.gmail.com> Take a look at: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LocalDrives -Nathan On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 02:54:14 -0600, Steve Honeycutt wrote: > On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 22:07:48 -1000, Byron Kapali wrote: > > Aloha All, > > Noobie question: Is there a way to use the removable media (floppy, > > cdrom, usb) on the thin client while logged in to the K12LTSP server? > > > > Example: I boot the thin client from a universal boot floppy to create > > the lts session. I remove the boot disk. A student logs in and wants > > to work on a file that is on the floppy. After inserting the floppy > > disk, no icon appears to indicate that the floppy disk is accessible. > > What do I need to do? > > > > Byron Kapali > > Hilo High School > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > This will be very rough around the edges Byron... so stay tuned for > more precise guidance from a more experienced user. > > I believe that the user will have to open a terminal window and run a > command along the lines of - > > for windows file system > mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy > > for linux file system - do > mount -t ext2 /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy > > There could be issues of users (other than su) not having privledges > of being able to mount the floppy drive which are default > configurations at install time - that could be thwarted by editing a > configuration file... one which I couldn't tell you. > > Actually, I just googled and found a link that will show you how to > allow users to mount a floppy drive... > http://www.linuxheadquarters.com/howto/basic/floppy.shtml > > Hope that helps in some way... > > -- > Best Regards, > > Steve > www.slicehaven.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From webmaster at vol.org Wed Mar 30 15:40:53 2005 From: webmaster at vol.org (george kocke) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 09:40:53 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Squid Question In-Reply-To: References: <1eb89cf205032409476dd8d99c@mail.gmail.com> <15a7ed178478489ef99fb3772a3ea3e8@renarts.org> <20050328193227.M69827@bsd.sk.ca> Message-ID: <1112197253.3325.24.camel@tardis.london.volnet> On Tue, 2005-03-29 at 01:37, Steve Hargadon wrote: > Only real downside for ltsp is that it sees the ltsp server/clients as > one machine, so whatever filtering level you assign to the server is > the filtering level for all users. Upside is basic simplicity and > ease of installation and use. I have DG (on a separate machine) set up to use ident. All administrators and teacher usernames are placed in the DG config file called exceptionuserlist so that DG does not block anything for them. The only problem I've run into using ident is that identd becomes a CPU hog on the LTSP server with a lot of web browsing. Identd even crashes sometimes. I believe the high CPU load is caused by DG asking for a username for every single object passing through it. Pages with many images are a big problem. -- george kocke ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ From ann.butler at westernheights.k12.ok.us Wed Mar 30 17:27:40 2005 From: ann.butler at westernheights.k12.ok.us (Ann Butler) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:27:40 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Accelerated Reader and Star Reader programs Message-ID: I got AR to run under Crossover...sort of. We have a data base that it seemed not to connect to. Any tweaking that You did seem to help with any of those problems. ?? Each of our schools has a data base that is out on a server and The program has to hit that. It is of course a windows server. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Burroughs, Henry Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 2:28 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools.; Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Accelerated Reader and Star Reader programs AR (5.12 at least) works well under Crossover Office by Codeweavers. I believe someone else recently got it to work under a regular WINE build as well (he had problems adding students in the management module... I didn't have problems via Crossover Office 4.1). There are some tweaks you need to do to the wine config in order to make the fonts render properly (there is a problem w/ anti-aliasing and how the text inverts from black on white to white on black when you select students/books/et), quick fix though. Just search the list for crossover office and Accelerated Reader... it should show up. =) Henry Burroughs Technology Director Hilton Head Preparatory School -----Original Message----- From: William Parrott [mailto:wparrott at gcps1.com] Sent: Fri 3/25/2005 8:06 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Cc: Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Accelerated Reader and Star Reader programs Ann, Are you running AR in a MAC or PC environment? I am exploring W.I.N.E. to see what existing apps will run from our PC environment. I was planning to test AR next week to see if it will run. Would be happy to let you know what I find out. William William Parrott Greensville County Schools Emporia, Virginia >Has anyone found anything that allows you to load up Accelerated Reader and Star onto your Linux boxes ?? >That is the only hold back right now. Any suggestions on solving this problem. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From jim at winonacotter.org Wed Mar 30 17:40:56 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:40:56 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Accelerated Reader and Star Reader programs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001301c5354f$a0b06350$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > I got AR to run under Crossover...sort of. We have a data > base that it seemed not to connect to. Any tweaking that > You did seem to help with any of those problems. ?? Each of our > schools has a data base that is out on a server and > The program has to hit that. It is of course a windows server. I don't know if this will help you or not, but here it goes. I house AR data on a linux server for a couple of the schools I deal with. When I first moved the data to the server I could not get anything to connect to the database. Problem turned out to be that in Mac and Windows case on filenames isn't very important, but Linux it is huge. AR needed all of the files (if I remember right) to be in lower case. And when it asked the Linux server for lower case files it told that app that it didn't have any. This seems to be a problem brought about with years worth of upgrades, some files were store lowercase, some upper case. You may want to check your data files on the server and see what case they are in. I know this is the reverse of what you are doing but maybe with the client running in CrossOver on Linux the client is needing the correct case. Might be a long shot but I know this one stumped me for awhile. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From cliebow at downeast.net Wed Mar 30 17:30:24 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 17:30:24 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Sound on terminals, Was: XKB Error Message-ID: <200503301625.j2UGPSJ13525@downeast.net> jim: can you get pci id of the sound card you ae playing with? could you lso try importing(slamdunking)lsmod nd lspci into /opt/ltsp/ppc and see if you cn use em from shell? birds ate my A key so it is tempermentl.ber with me.chuck > > I don't see much happening in the area of sound. I've been > > trying really hard to erect a "Somebody Else's Problem" field > > around sound, but one of the schools I support has started to > > make quite a bit of noise. > > > > Perhaps this should be the "long thread of the day"... > > > > If you have remote sound working: > > > > * are you using ESD or NASD? > > * what applications work, which don't? > > * did you have to make any changes from the default? > > * other tips and tricks? > > The only sound apps I have needed at home as of late is RealPlayer10 to > play mp3's and sound in Gcompris for my daughter (I'm sure there is a > better app for mp3 playback but I wanted to test the Linux version of > Real). In order to get sound working here I use NASD for Term150's and > have my user set to log into IceWM and my daughters into Gnome. For > some reason Reals sound won't work in Gnome and Gcompris won't work in > IceWM. > > I don't know what the difference is between them but maybe it would give > someone with more knowledge in this area a clue why sound isn't working > as well in the newest releases of K12LTSP. > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Mar 30 18:17:14 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 10:17:14 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] I need help with an idea In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <424AED2A.5070700@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> David Trask wrote: > Hi all, > > I need help with an idea. With smbldap-installer pretty well set (don't > worry we'll continue to keep it updated)....I'm searching for my next > "big" thing. My forte is documentation. I'm thinking of trying to tackle > local apps....in particular Firefox and hopefully the Flash plugin. I've > taken a peek at the how-to on the wiki at ltsp.org. I briefly chatted > with Chuck about possibly using Samba/LDAP instead of NIS and he seemed to > indicate that this would be possible. In fact I can see how much of the > set up of local apps could probably be scripted. My problem....I'm > limited at the moment on test machines as I've deployed nearly everything > I have. I will dig one up, but could use some help figuring some of this > stuff out. Anyone successfully gotten local apps to run? In > particular....Firefox? Anyone want to work with me on this? Rather than spending time on making local-apps work in the current LTSP framework, perhaps it would be better to help out on the next-generation LTSP framework that (if successful) would eliminate the need for developing local-apps... http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/MueKow -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Mar 30 18:48:11 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 13:48:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] I need help with an idea In-Reply-To: <424AED2A.5070700@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <424AED2A.5070700@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, March 30, 2005 at 1:17 PM +0000 wrote: >Rather than spending time on making local-apps work in the current LTSP >framework, perhaps it would be better to help out on the next-generation >LTSP framework that (if successful) would eliminate the need for >developing local-apps... > >http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/MueKow > >-Eric Good idea....though I'm curious...how would you envision this to work? (the local apps part I mean)...how will it eliminate the need for developing local apps? Seriously I'm simply trying to see what the idea is so I can wrap my head around it. Also....Eric....what're you doing June 19th, 20th, and 21st? Wanna' come to Maine? I'm sure you're busy, but figured I'd ask. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From les at futuresource.com Wed Mar 30 18:46:30 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:46:30 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Accelerated Reader and Star Reader programs In-Reply-To: <001301c5354f$a0b06350$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001301c5354f$a0b06350$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1112208390.10833.42.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-03-30 at 11:40, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > I got AR to run under Crossover...sort of. We have a data > > base that it seemed not to connect to. Any tweaking that > > You did seem to help with any of those problems. ?? Each of our > > schools has a data base that is out on a server and > > The program has to hit that. It is of course a windows server. > > I don't know if this will help you or not, but here it goes. I house AR > data on a linux server for a couple of the schools I deal with. When I > first moved the data to the server I could not get anything to connect > to the database. Problem turned out to be that in Mac and Windows case > on filenames isn't very important, but Linux it is huge. AR needed all > of the files (if I remember right) to be in lower case. And when it > asked the Linux server for lower case files it told that app that it > didn't have any. This seems to be a problem brought about with years > worth of upgrades, some files were store lowercase, some upper case. > You may want to check your data files on the server and see what case > they are in. Samba has several options to control preserving case and being case sensitive during access that can be set on a per-share basis. The default is normally non-case-sensitive like windows expects. Wine has a similar setting for whether the filesystem should behave like win95, unix, or msdos. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From drloomis at cox-internet.com Wed Mar 30 18:49:44 2005 From: drloomis at cox-internet.com (drloomis at cox-internet.com) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:49:44 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] XKB Problems Message-ID: <20050330184944.FPZJ582.fe1@localhost> Eric, I tried doing the desktop reset at GDM as well as using the script in /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux. The problem with error messages at login continue unchanged. Dan Loomis From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Mar 30 18:55:56 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 10:55:56 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] I need help with an idea In-Reply-To: References: <424AED2A.5070700@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <424AF63C.9000506@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Wednesday, March 30, 2005 at 1:17 PM +0000 wrote: > >>Rather than spending time on making local-apps work in the current LTSP >>framework, perhaps it would be better to help out on the next-generation >>LTSP framework that (if successful) would eliminate the need for >>developing local-apps... >> >>http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/MueKow >> >>-Eric > > > Good idea....though I'm curious...how would you envision this to work? > (the local apps part I mean)...how will it eliminate the need for > developing local apps? Seriously I'm simply trying to see what the idea > is so I can wrap my head around it. The way this would work is that *every* application could be a local-app. Want to install firefox as a local app? No problem, just do something like: chroot /opt/ltsp/i386/ yum install firefox (or "apt-get install firefox" on a Ubuntu server, etc) Done. The tricky part is then the whole authentication, authorization, RPC mechanisms, etc that are required for local apps (the same problem set for the old way & the "development" way of doing local apps). Read through the wiki page a couple of times and see if it makes sense. If not, post where you are confused. Jim and I brain-stormed the whole idea, so it seems perfectly clear to me ;-) > Also....Eric....what're you doing June 19th, 20th, and 21st? Wanna' come > to Maine? I'm sure you're busy, but figured I'd ask. I have a bunch of things up in the air right now, I truely don't know yet what my availibility will be for this summer. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From les at futuresource.com Wed Mar 30 18:56:57 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:56:57 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] I need help with an idea In-Reply-To: References: <424AED2A.5070700@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1112209017.10833.51.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-03-30 at 12:48, David Trask wrote: > > > >http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/MueKow > > > >-Eric > > Good idea....though I'm curious...how would you envision this to work? > (the local apps part I mean)...how will it eliminate the need for > developing local apps? Seriously I'm simply trying to see what the idea > is so I can wrap my head around it. I think the idea is that the root filesystem NFS mounted by the client will contain an essentially complete distribution for the client architecture instead of a special mini-version that has to be maintained separately. That means anything you want to execute locally would be available or at least installable via apt/yum. You still have to deal with the issues of authentication and getting the user's home directory mounted. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Mar 30 19:17:35 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 14:17:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] I need help with an idea In-Reply-To: <1112209017.10833.51.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: < > <424AED2A.5070700@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> < > <1112209017.10833.51.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, March 30, 2005 at 1:56 PM +0000 wrote: > >I think the idea is that the root filesystem NFS mounted by the client >will contain an essentially complete distribution for the client >architecture instead of a special mini-version that has to be >maintained separately. That means anything you want to execute >locally would be available or at least installable via apt/yum. >You still have to deal with the issues of authentication and >getting the user's home directory mounted. Would it be able to utilize the terminal's resources? Processor, ram...etc.? Is this sorta' like stateless linux? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From lharriott at mail.gotelja.com Wed Mar 30 18:24:44 2005 From: lharriott at mail.gotelja.com (Lawrence Harriott) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 13:24:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Problem Booting thin client on K12LTSP4.2 In-Reply-To: <20050329170045.BA46E73F14@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050329170045.BA46E73F14@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1112207084.6639.23.camel@server0.2gn.net> Hi list, I set up a K12LTSP4.2 box a few days ago and can't seem to boot any thin clients. I installed from the CD's then upgraded via Internet using apt-get to get everything up to date. The server seems to be ok but my thin client, a 233MHz AMD-K5 using an e100 NIC (non of my DM9102AF cards boot properly)gets to the point of doing the the PIVOT-ROOT and just sits there for a while then decides that it cannot find the server. It gives this message, nfs: server 192.168.0.254 not responding, still trying. Var/log/messages reports that the mountd: authenticated mount request from ws150. Using another linux machine I can mount and access the nfs shares, no problem. Incidentally, I am booting using a rom-o-matic 'universal' boot diskette. This machine insists that it is 192.168.0.150 regardless of what I set it to in dhcpd.conf. I have no idea where it gets that IP from. I would appreciate any help in getting this to work. I have googled around a bit but have not yet found anything on this particular issue. I am wondering whether the NIC or the upgrade may be the culprit! Thanks Lawrence From pfaffman at gmail.com Wed Mar 30 19:27:03 2005 From: pfaffman at gmail.com (Jay Pfaffman) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 14:27:03 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.2.1 pre3, ready for production? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9326098005033011273112d758@mail.gmail.com> I have a what I think is a 1st generation iMac (it's that funny blue color). I installed the latest version available at sunsite.utk.edu a couple hours ago; yum update doesn't get any new ppc stuff. I hold down the N key and get a network boot. Forgiving typos, this is what the mac says: /pci at 8000000000/mac-io at 10/ethernet::-1,yaboot.conf: Unknown or corrupt filesystem Can't open config file Welcome to yaboot version 1.3.10 Enter"help" to get some basic usage information boot: then I have to power cycle to try again. Any clues? I've got a teacher at a Mac school who'll be psyched if I can get this going. On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 15:08:18 -0800 (PST), Eric Harrison wrote: > > I updated several packages for the K12LTSP 4.2.1 pre-release: > > * dhcpd.conf & lts.conf changes to improve PPC client support > * newer version of scribus > * schoolbell included in the k12ltsp-education meta package > * the fedora-extras repository is enabled by default > > All of the Macs I have availble for testing will now boot > diskless "out-of-the-box", no configuration changes required. > > The only item left on my TODO list is incorporating the smbldap > scripts. Hopefully I can get that done this weekend. If I don't, > this will be included as an addon in the repository for this > release. > > Please test this build out and let me know of any problems you > encounter. If all goes well, this will be released as the > offical 4.2.1 release in a couple of days. > > To upgrade a K12LTSP 4.2.0 server online, install the latest > k12ltsp-release package and then run yum update: > > rpm -Uhv ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.1beta/updates/k12ltsp-release-4.2.1-5.noarch.rpm > yum update > > You can download the CD images from: > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.1beta/iso/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-pre/ . > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- Jay Pfaffman Asst Professor of Instructional Technology, U. TN, Knoxville Experimenting with gmail, please honor the Reply-To From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Wed Mar 30 19:34:51 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:34:51 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Squid Question In-Reply-To: <1112197253.3325.24.camel@tardis.london.volnet> References: <1eb89cf205032409476dd8d99c@mail.gmail.com> <15a7ed178478489ef99fb3772a3ea3e8@renarts.org> <20050328193227.M69827@bsd.sk.ca> <1112197253.3325.24.camel@tardis.london.volnet> Message-ID: > I have DG (on a separate machine) set up to use ident. All > administrators and teacher usernames are placed in the DG config file > called exceptionuserlist so that DG does not block anything for them. My comment related solely to the Linksys solution, just to clarify. -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Mar 30 19:40:07 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 14:40:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] I need help with an idea In-Reply-To: <424AF63C.9000506@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <424AED2A.5070700@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <424AF63C.9000506@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: Eric Harrison on Wednesday, March 30, 2005 at 1:55 PM +0000 wrote: >The way this would work is that *every* application could be a >local-app. Want to install firefox as a local app? No problem, just do >something like: > > chroot /opt/ltsp/i386/ > yum install firefox > > (or "apt-get install firefox" on a Ubuntu server, etc) > >Done. > >The tricky part is then the whole authentication, authorization, RPC >mechanisms, etc that are required for local apps (the same problem set >for the old way & the "development" way of doing local apps). > >Read through the wiki page a couple of times and see if it makes sense. >If not, post where you are confused. Jim and I brain-stormed the whole >idea, so it seems perfectly clear to me ;-) Ok...how do we differentiate whether we want the terminal to use the resources of the server or it's own resources....or are we headed down the path of always using the terminals resources (fine with me). (by resources....I mean processor...RAM....etc) For Example: When Firefox (usually with Flash) runs on a dedicate workstation...it works fine and its quite fast because it uses the workstations CPU and so forth. When doing this in an LTSP environment....by the time you get a few terminals running Firefox/Flash...it starts to crawl due to the CPU usage on the server. My idea is to shift that burden down to the terminal...especially in cases where the terminal is powerful enough. Secondly...is there a way to use Samba/LDAP as the authentication piece as opposed to NIS? smbldap uses machine accounts for windows....we could easliy make machine accounts to use for local apps authentication couldn't we? In fact when the "hosts" are generated during setup of a K12LTSP box...we could also generate machine accounts for local apps. This would be an easy script to write. Then....couldn't we even script key generation for the workstations as well? In fact, for simplicity might it make sense to simply begin using LDAP or smbldap as the default method of authentication from here on it? Matt and I have gotten to the point where we set up smbldap on all K12LTSP servers rather than try to remember how to do it the old way with RedHat users ;-) Works fine and just gives us more options in the end. One drawback is that we need someone (Gideon?) to write a good front end for Samba/LDAP user creation...etc. Matt is doing work for Canonical so he's also looking to possibly port the smbldap-installer script to Ubuntu...in fact he'll be looking for you and Jim in Sydney. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed Mar 30 19:41:22 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 14:41:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.2.1 pre3, ready for production? In-Reply-To: <9326098005033011273112d758@mail.gmail.com> References: <9326098005033011273112d758@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: pfaffman at relaxpc.com on Wednesday, March 30, 2005 at 2:27 PM +0000 wrote: >(it's that funny blue >color) Called Bondi Blue *grin* David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From les at futuresource.com Wed Mar 30 19:43:32 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 13:43:32 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] I need help with an idea In-Reply-To: References: < > <424AED2A.5070700@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> < > <1112209017.10833.51.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1112211812.10833.65.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-03-30 at 13:17, David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Wednesday, March 30, 2005 at 1:56 PM +0000 wrote: > > > >I think the idea is that the root filesystem NFS mounted by the client > >will contain an essentially complete distribution for the client > >architecture instead of a special mini-version that has to be > >maintained separately. That means anything you want to execute > >locally would be available or at least installable via apt/yum. > >You still have to deal with the issues of authentication and > >getting the user's home directory mounted. > > Would it be able to utilize the terminal's resources? Processor, > ram...etc.? Is this sorta' like stateless linux? It's more like ltsp than stateless in that the normal X startup would probably still be 'X -query server' so the login and desktop runs from the server. The only difference from now would be that all the apps are available locally. If you choose to run them locally you still have to work out the details of starting them from the remote desktop and making the window open in the right place. If network authentication works, you can ssh back to the terminal as the right user and it would work to let ssh forwarding haul back the xwindow, but it doesn't make much sense to have that overhead when the X display and program are running on the same box - so there are some details to work out. For faster clients you would have the option to run like a stateless linux diskless client in terms of starting the window manager/desktop locally, but that reverses the problem. Now you need to make program launchers for every application that you want to run on the server instead of locally. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Wed Mar 30 19:53:25 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 13:53:25 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] I need help with an idea In-Reply-To: References: <424AED2A.5070700@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <424AF63C.9000506@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1112212404.10833.76.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-03-30 at 13:40, David Trask wrote: > Secondly...is there a way > to use Samba/LDAP as the authentication piece as opposed to NIS? I think the missing piece here is that you want to automount the user's home directory onto his workstation and you don't supply the home directory the way NIS does since you expect the entire /home to already be mounted on the k12ltsp server. If there is some standard ldap schema that supplies this you should be able to make it work, or it might be possible to configure pam to do the right thing as long as all homes are on the same server (nis doesn't require that). And, until you get the home dir mounted you can do anything that needs per-user ssh keys. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed Mar 30 20:30:22 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:30:22 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] 4.2.1 release strategy Message-ID: <424B0C5E.8010603@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> There are not enough hours in a day! I was going to release 4.2.1 today, but ran out of time last night before finishing tests on the ISO images. I'm not going to have time to do it today. My SO has banned me from hacking until Sunday. But I am happy with the current state of the individual packages. So rather than delay because I have not been able to fully test the ISO images, I have switched the yum/up2date/apt-get repositories to point to the 4.2.1 packages. That means anyone with 4.2.0 installed can update to 4.2.1 before 4.2.1 is officially released... That will give me breathing room to finish the ISO image testing while making the improved packages available for use. So if you have 4.2.0 installed, you'll see a ton of new packages available the next time you run yum or up2date. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <9326098005033011273112d758@mail.gmail.com> References: <9326098005033011273112d758@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <424B359A.7040606@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Jay Pfaffman wrote: > I have a what I think is a 1st generation iMac (it's that funny blue > color). I installed the latest version available at sunsite.utk.edu a > couple hours ago; yum update doesn't get any new ppc stuff. I hold > down the N key and get a network boot. Forgiving typos, this is what > the mac says: > > /pci at 8000000000/mac-io at 10/ethernet::-1,yaboot.conf: Unknown or corrupt > filesystem > Can't open config file > Welcome to yaboot version 1.3.10 > Enter"help" to get some basic usage information > boot: > > then I have to power cycle to try again. Hi Jay, The sunsite.utk.edu finished syncing just a little while ago. Just to make sure you have the latest version of everything, could you please do another "yum update" ? You should have ltsp_ppc version 4.0.0.k12ltsp.2.4.2 installed: $ rpm -q ltsp_ppc ltsp_ppc-4.0.0-0.k12ltsp.2.4.2 The error "Can't open config file" is pretty suspicious. Double-check that yaboot.conf exists: $ ls -l /tftpboot/yaboot.conf -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 319 Mar 13 05:21 /tftpboot/yaboot.conf $ cat /tftpboot/yaboot.conf #device=enet: #partition=0 #you probably have to change initrd and image path to image=/vmlinuz--> initrd=/initrd---> timeout=10 init-message="Lumensoftware Terminal Server" default=linux image=/lts/vmlinux-ppc-2.4.22-ltsp-1 label=linux initrd=/lts/initrd-ppc-2.4.22-ltsp-1 append="init=/linuxrc rw root=/dev/ram0" -Eric > > Any clues? I've got a teacher at a Mac school who'll be psyched if I > can get this going. > > On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 15:08:18 -0800 (PST), Eric Harrison > wrote: > >>I updated several packages for the K12LTSP 4.2.1 pre-release: >> >>* dhcpd.conf & lts.conf changes to improve PPC client support >>* newer version of scribus >>* schoolbell included in the k12ltsp-education meta package >>* the fedora-extras repository is enabled by default >> >>All of the Macs I have availble for testing will now boot >>diskless "out-of-the-box", no configuration changes required. >> >>The only item left on my TODO list is incorporating the smbldap >>scripts. Hopefully I can get that done this weekend. If I don't, >>this will be included as an addon in the repository for this >>release. >> >>Please test this build out and let me know of any problems you >>encounter. If all goes well, this will be released as the >>offical 4.2.1 release in a couple of days. >> >>To upgrade a K12LTSP 4.2.0 server online, install the latest >>k12ltsp-release package and then run yum update: >> >> rpm -Uhv ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.1beta/updates/k12ltsp-release-4.2.1-5.noarch.rpm >> yum update >> >>You can download the CD images from: >> >> ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.1beta/iso/ >> rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::K12LTSP-pre/ . >> >>-Eric >> >>_______________________________________________ >> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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My SO has banned me from hacking until Sunday. > > But I am happy with the current state of the individual packages. > > So rather than delay because I have not been able to fully test the ISO > images, I have switched the yum/up2date/apt-get repositories to point to > the 4.2.1 packages. > > That means anyone with 4.2.0 installed can update to 4.2.1 before 4.2.1 > is officially released... > > That will give me breathing room to finish the ISO image testing while > making the improved packages available for use. > > So if you have 4.2.0 installed, you'll see a ton of new packages > available the next time you run yum or up2date. > > -Eric > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > From steve at sierra-computer.com Thu Mar 31 01:38:41 2005 From: steve at sierra-computer.com (Steve Knopik) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 17:38:41 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] 4.2.1 release strategy In-Reply-To: <424B0C5E.8010603@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <424B0C5E.8010603@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <424B54A1.8000802@sierra-computer.com> Eric, I just tried installing wireless-tools which has libiw.so.27. It is already installed on my server. Steve Knopik Sierra Computer Services Eric Harrison wrote: > > There are not enough hours in a day! > > I was going to release 4.2.1 today, but ran out of time last night > before finishing tests on the ISO images. I'm not going to have time to > do it today. My SO has banned me from hacking until Sunday. > > But I am happy with the current state of the individual packages. > > So rather than delay because I have not been able to fully test the ISO > images, I have switched the yum/up2date/apt-get repositories to point to > the 4.2.1 packages. > > That means anyone with 4.2.0 installed can update to 4.2.1 before 4.2.1 > is officially released... > > That will give me breathing room to finish the ISO image testing while > making the improved packages available for use. > > So if you have 4.2.0 installed, you'll see a ton of new packages > available the next time you run yum or up2date. > > -Eric > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Mar 31 02:02:44 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 18:02:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] 4.2.1 release strategy In-Reply-To: <424B52E3.9050902@sierra-computer.com> References: <424B0C5E.8010603@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <424B52E3.9050902@sierra-computer.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, Steve Knopik wrote: > Eric, > > I got the following errors. > > Error: Missing Dependency: libiw.so.27 is needed by package kdenetwork > Error: Missing Dependency: libiw.so.27 is needed by package NetworkManager > > Steve Knopik > Sierra Computer Services This is bug that was fixed in 4.2.0, but I must have missed it in my development tree. I'm rebuilding the repositories right now, it should be fixed in about 15 minutes or so. Thanks for catching this Steve! -Eric > Eric Harrison wrote: > >> >> There are not enough hours in a day! >> >> I was going to release 4.2.1 today, but ran out of time last night >> before finishing tests on the ISO images. I'm not going to have time to >> do it today. My SO has banned me from hacking until Sunday. >> >> But I am happy with the current state of the individual packages. >> >> So rather than delay because I have not been able to fully test the ISO >> images, I have switched the yum/up2date/apt-get repositories to point to >> the 4.2.1 packages. >> >> That means anyone with 4.2.0 installed can update to 4.2.1 before 4.2.1 >> is officially released... >> >> That will give me breathing room to finish the ISO image testing while >> making the improved packages available for use. >> >> So if you have 4.2.0 installed, you'll see a ton of new packages >> available the next time you run yum or up2date. >> >> -Eric >> From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Mar 31 02:14:32 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 18:14:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] 4.2.1 release strategy In-Reply-To: <424B54A1.8000802@sierra-computer.com> References: <424B0C5E.8010603@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <424B54A1.8000802@sierra-computer.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, Steve Knopik wrote: > Eric, > > I just tried installing wireless-tools which has libiw.so.27. It is already > installed on my server. I had the messed-up version of wireless-tools installed on my desktop. Here is what I ran to fix it: rpm -Uhv --oldpackage ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.1/updates/wireless-tools-27-0.pre25.3.i386.rpm -Eric From kjell_andersson at mail.com Thu Mar 31 10:26:21 2005 From: kjell_andersson at mail.com (Kjell Andersson) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 05:26:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] How do i enable XDMCP in K12ltsp 4.2.0 ? Message-ID: <20050331102621.4668E4BEAD@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> Hi Eric ! Last night i came as far as to the point where the text disappear and tries to go into graphics mode. then it hung on two different clients with different cards and X-servers. On the first client it came back to textmode after a while complaining about it could not find the mouse device. and on the other it just hung. Do have any solution to this ? Best Regards Kjell A ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Harrison" To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Subject: Re: [K12OSN] How do i enable XDMCP in K12ltsp 4.2.0 ? Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 21:37:58 -0800 (PST) > > > The increased detail helps quite a bit. Thanks Kjell! > > Since the client hangs at this line: > > > (++) using config file "/tmp/ XF86Config.1"( > > my first guess would be a video driver problem is crashing the > client. Try using the vesa driver and see if the problem persists. > Edit /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf and change: > > XSERVER = auto to: > XSERVER = vesa > > -Eric > > On Tue, 29 Mar 2005, Kjell Andersson wrote: > > > It is the standard setup but this time i inactivated the firewall > > ( i have freesco ) > > and selinux. I have two network cards one 3com 905 TX and one > > realtec clone 8139D. > > I am using the 192.168.0.254/ 255.255.255.0 adress for the client > > and DHCP fo the other one. > > This time i get as far as > > > > Building the /tmp/XF86Config-4 file > > Release date 18 december 2003 > > X-protocol Version 11 revision 0 release 6.7 > > Build Operating System linux (non) 2.4.25-ltsp-2 #1 sat Nov 13 > > 00:28:51 UTC 2004 i 486 > > Before reporting problems, check http://wikwi.X.org > > to make sure that you have the latest version. > > Module loader present > > Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, > > ( this goes on to the lie saying ) > > (++) using config file "/tmp/ XF86Config.1"( > > > > (and the client has hung) > > this is as far i have gotten. > > the client is a AMD 486 120Mhz with 130 Mb RAM and a realtec network card > > and a Matrox Mystique grahpics card. > > I have tried a lot of different X-servers besides the Auto > > setting but nothing works ! > > I am clueless apart from the fact that the client hangs when > > trying to build the X-config > > or some actions close to that. > > > > Regards Kjell > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From kjell_andersson at mail.com Thu Mar 31 10:26:34 2005 From: kjell_andersson at mail.com (Kjell Andersson) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 05:26:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] How do i enable XDMCP in K12ltsp 4.2.0 ? Message-ID: <20050331102634.5D4616F027@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> Hi Eric ! Last night i came as far as to the point where the text disappear and tries to go into graphics mode. then it hung on two different clients with different cards and X-servers. On the first client it came back to textmode after a while complaining about it could not find the mouse device. and on the other it just hung. Do have any solution to this ? Best Regards Kjell A ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Harrison" To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Subject: Re: [K12OSN] How do i enable XDMCP in K12ltsp 4.2.0 ? Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 21:37:58 -0800 (PST) > > > The increased detail helps quite a bit. Thanks Kjell! > > Since the client hangs at this line: > > > (++) using config file "/tmp/ XF86Config.1"( > > my first guess would be a video driver problem is crashing the > client. Try using the vesa driver and see if the problem persists. > Edit /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf and change: > > XSERVER = auto to: > XSERVER = vesa > > -Eric > > On Tue, 29 Mar 2005, Kjell Andersson wrote: > > > It is the standard setup but this time i inactivated the firewall > > ( i have freesco ) > > and selinux. I have two network cards one 3com 905 TX and one > > realtec clone 8139D. > > I am using the 192.168.0.254/ 255.255.255.0 adress for the client > > and DHCP fo the other one. > > This time i get as far as > > > > Building the /tmp/XF86Config-4 file > > Release date 18 december 2003 > > X-protocol Version 11 revision 0 release 6.7 > > Build Operating System linux (non) 2.4.25-ltsp-2 #1 sat Nov 13 > > 00:28:51 UTC 2004 i 486 > > Before reporting problems, check http://wikwi.X.org > > to make sure that you have the latest version. > > Module loader present > > Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, > > ( this goes on to the lie saying ) > > (++) using config file "/tmp/ XF86Config.1"( > > > > (and the client has hung) > > this is as far i have gotten. > > the client is a AMD 486 120Mhz with 130 Mb RAM and a realtec network card > > and a Matrox Mystique grahpics card. > > I have tried a lot of different X-servers besides the Auto > > setting but nothing works ! > > I am clueless apart from the fact that the client hangs when > > trying to build the X-config > > or some actions close to that. > > > > Regards Kjell > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 31 11:45:11 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 03:45:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [K12OSN] Problem Booting thin client on K12LTSP4.2 In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050331114511.65227.qmail@web41607.mail.yahoo.com> I am having the same problem, so double thanks to anybody who can shed some light on this. I'm using a laptop with the ltsp_wireless package and a wired pcmcia network card. I get to the pivot_root part, and then it tells me the nfs server isn't responding. However, I have a desktop client that boots fine off this same server. For this reason, I'm suspecting it's a NIC problem. But I don't have any others I can try out. Lawrence, do you have another NIC you could try? -Rob --- Lawrence Harriott wrote: > Hi list, > > I set up a K12LTSP4.2 box a few days ago and can't > seem to boot any thin > clients. I installed from the CD's then upgraded via > Internet using > apt-get to get everything up to date. The server > seems to be ok but my > thin client, a 233MHz AMD-K5 using an e100 NIC (non > of my DM9102AF cards > boot properly)gets to the point of doing the the > PIVOT-ROOT and just > sits there for a while then decides that it cannot > find the server. It > gives this message, nfs: server 192.168.0.254 not > responding, still > trying. Var/log/messages reports that the mountd: > authenticated mount > request from ws150. > > Using another linux machine I can mount and access > the nfs shares, no > problem. > > Incidentally, I am booting using a rom-o-matic > 'universal' boot > diskette. This machine insists that it is > 192.168.0.150 regardless of > what I set it to in dhcpd.conf. I have no idea where > it gets that IP > from. > > I would appreciate any help in getting this to work. > I have googled > around a bit but have not yet found anything on this > particular issue. I > am wondering whether the NIC or the upgrade may be > the culprit! > > Thanks > Lawrence > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Thu Mar 31 14:42:07 2005 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 08:42:07 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Flash Animation Message-ID: <424C0C3F.6070703@honeygroveisd.net> We're going to be offering a digital animation class next year at our high school, and as such, we'll be needing some animation software. Does anyone know of a good, Open Source/Free animation software similar to Macromedia Flash MX? If it works for Linux and Windows, that's even better. -- C-ya, Mark ____ "Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." -Twain From gary.frederick at jsoft.com Thu Mar 31 15:04:47 2005 From: gary.frederick at jsoft.com (Gary Frederick) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 09:04:47 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Flash Animation In-Reply-To: <424C0C3F.6070703@honeygroveisd.net> References: <424C0C3F.6070703@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <424C118F.5050306@jsoft.com> Blender http://www.blender.org/ OOo can output Flash. Or so I have been told... Gary Mark Cockrell wrote: > We're going to be offering a digital animation class next year at our > high school, and as such, we'll be needing some animation software. > Does anyone know of a good, Open Source/Free animation software similar > to Macromedia Flash MX? If it works for Linux and Windows, that's even > better. > From steve at sierra-computer.com Thu Mar 31 16:20:38 2005 From: steve at sierra-computer.com (Steve Knopik) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 08:20:38 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] 4.2.1 release strategy In-Reply-To: References: <424B0C5E.8010603@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <424B54A1.8000802@sierra-computer.com> Message-ID: <424C2356.4080308@sierra-computer.com> Eric, Last night I figured out that I had a newer version of wireless-tools than what is the official release. So I ran rpm -e wireless-tools to remove that package. Then I used yum to install the current release. The update to 4.2.1 ran fine after that. Thanks Eric Steve Knopik Sierra Computer Services Eric Harrison wrote: > On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, Steve Knopik wrote: > >> Eric, >> >> I just tried installing wireless-tools which has libiw.so.27. It is >> already installed on my server. > > > I had the messed-up version of wireless-tools installed on my desktop. > > Here is what I ran to fix it: > > rpm -Uhv --oldpackage > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.1/updates/wireless-tools-27-0.pre25.3.i386.rpm > > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From bear2bar at netscape.net Thu Mar 31 16:33:27 2005 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:33:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Second test build of K12LTSP 4.2.1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <424C2657.5010703@netscape.net> Hi Eric, I used the ISO to upgrade my server from 4.1.1 to 4.2.1. I had tested them on other units without any issues. On my server the upgrade went without any errors, the system restarted, I ran all the updates/upgrades & then restarted to find that all my desktop managers were no longer working. When I login I only have TWN, no gnome or kde. There is an ICEWN & default but both load TWN HELP!!!! thks norbert eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us wrote: > > I have uploaded the second test build of K12LTSP 4.2.1. In addition to > support for PPC terminals, this build adds/changes: > > * Fedora Extras yum repository enabled by default > * process for deleting terminal's swap files > * added /etc/profile.d/ulimit.sh to prevent students from taking > down a terminal server > * SchoolBell (not yet installed by default) > > > If you test this, PLEASE provide feedback! In specific, please post > your experiences (good and bad!) on: > > * PPC support. What models you tried & if they worked or not > * Fedora Extras yum repository, any problems/conflicts? > * Are the limits too high or too low? > > > The ISO images are availible at: > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/4.2.1/ > rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/4.2.1/ . > > > I'll create a yum/up2date/apt-get repository in the near future, > but at this point I'd really prefer if the ISO's install/update > code was tested. > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From robark at gmail.com Thu Mar 31 18:23:18 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:23:18 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Release cycle too fast Message-ID: Since Sept 2003 when 3.1.2 was released we have had 4.0, 4.1 and now 4.2 and many sub releases to fix problems. That's RH9, FC1, FC2 and FC3 in 1.5 years. I think this is ridiculous for a server platform (even if it is a desktop environ.) Poor Eric H. is continually tracking and fixing bugs in new releases. I think more effort should be put into making k12ltsp better (SchoolBell, VNC Reflector/ Teachertool, smbldap, Moodle, local-apps, Muekow etc..) rather than releasing with the Fedora schedule. Does anyone else agree with me??? BTW I run 3.1.2 at my school. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Mar 31 18:29:37 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 12:29:37 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound on terminals, Was: XKB Error In-Reply-To: <200503301625.j2UGPSJ13525@downeast.net> Message-ID: <000a01c5361f$981dc0e0$f894060a@winonacotter.org> > jim: can you get pci id of the sound card you ae playing > with? could you lso try importing(slamdunking)lsmod nd lspci > into /opt/ltsp/ppc and see if you cn use em from shell? > birds ate my A key so it is tempermentl.ber with me.chuck I'll give it a try. Might not be until Monday. Our Cisco 4006 router dumped a power supply yesterday and we have been down until about 12:00 today. So I just got things back running, threw me a little behind. And I'll be off tomorrow and Saturday working on the 47 Ford Delivery :-) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Mar 31 18:34:44 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 12:34:44 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.2.1 pre3, ready for production? In-Reply-To: <9326098005033011273112d758@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000b01c53620$4efb42b0$f894060a@winonacotter.org> > I have a what I think is a 1st generation iMac (it's that > funny blue color). I installed the latest version available > at sunsite.utk.edu a couple hours ago; yum update doesn't get > any new ppc stuff. I hold down the N key and get a network > boot. Forgiving typos, this is what the mac says: > > /pci at 8000000000/mac-io at 10/ethernet::-1,yaboot.conf: Unknown > or corrupt filesystem Can't open config file Welcome to > yaboot version 1.3.10 Enter"help" to get some basic usage information > boot: > > then I have to power cycle to try again. > > Any clues? I've got a teacher at a Mac school who'll be > psyched if I can get this going. If you are having trouble with the N key try booting to Open Firmware and manually booting things. Start the iMac while holding cmd+option+o+f to get into Open Firware. At the prompt type: "boot enet:192.168.0.254,yaboot" (if you're not using the defaults substitute your own IP) then hit enter. This should initiate the network boot sequence. If things go fine post back out and I'll give you the steps to manually set things permanent. The line above will only work for the current bootup. If you want you can check /tftpboot and be sure that yaboot.conf, yaboot, the ppc kernel and ppc init files are there. Also check /opt/ltsp/ and be sure the ppc folder is present. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Mar 31 18:37:31 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 12:37:31 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] 4.2.1 release strategy In-Reply-To: <424B52E3.9050902@sierra-computer.com> Message-ID: <000c01c53620$b2725d60$f894060a@winonacotter.org> > I got the following errors. > > Error: Missing Dependency: libiw.so.27 is needed by package kdenetwork > Error: Missing Dependency: libiw.so.27 is needed by package > NetworkManager I think this has been posted a couple times. The only fix I have seen so far is to just un-install the conflicting packages. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Mar 31 18:43:45 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 12:43:45 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Release cycle too fast In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000f01c53621$91e14f10$f894060a@winonacotter.org> > Does anyone else agree with me??? > BTW I run 3.1.2 at my school. I think that is mainly the goal with Project Muekow. This should offload a lot of the work that is required to make LTSP and K12LTSP work giving them the opportunity to focus more on making the improvements you have indicated. If you haven't read the wiki article yet on it you should, it may clear up some of your concerns. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Mar 31 18:43:59 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 12:43:59 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Release cycle too fast In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001001c53621$9a28e840$f894060a@winonacotter.org> Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Robert Arkiletian > Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 12:23 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: [K12OSN] Release cycle too fast > > > Since Sept 2003 when 3.1.2 was released we have had 4.0, 4.1 > and now 4.2 and many sub releases to fix problems. That's > RH9, FC1, FC2 and FC3 in 1.5 years. > > I think this is ridiculous for a server platform (even if it > is a desktop environ.) Poor Eric H. is continually tracking > and fixing bugs in new releases. > > I think more effort should be put into making k12ltsp better > (SchoolBell, VNC Reflector/ Teachertool, smbldap, Moodle, > local-apps, Muekow etc..) rather than releasing with the > Fedora schedule. > > Does anyone else agree with me??? > BTW I run 3.1.2 at my school. > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Mar 31 18:46:34 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 12:46:34 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Release cycle too fast In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001101c53621$f678f4f0$f894060a@winonacotter.org> > Since Sept 2003 when 3.1.2 was released we have had 4.0, 4.1 > and now 4.2 and many sub releases to fix problems. That's > RH9, FC1, FC2 and FC3 in 1.5 years. I am sure that Ubuntu will have a similar release cycle since it is newer as well, but hopefully updating K12LTSP features and Platform features will be an independent process with the new system. And I don't think the sub releases are only to fix problems, I am continually seeing new features added as well. I for one love to see new features as often as possible, I don't want to wait a year. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu Mar 31 18:46:04 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:46:04 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Release cycle too fast In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <424C456C.4070307@paasda.org> Robert Arkiletian wrote: > Since Sept 2003 when 3.1.2 was released we have had 4.0, 4.1 and now > 4.2 and many sub releases to fix problems. That's RH9, FC1, FC2 and > FC3 in 1.5 years. > > I think this is ridiculous for a server platform (even if it is a > desktop environ.) > Poor Eric H. is continually tracking and fixing bugs in new releases. > > I think more effort should be put into making k12ltsp better > (SchoolBell, VNC Reflector/ Teachertool, smbldap, Moodle, local-apps, > Muekow etc..) rather than releasing with the Fedora schedule. > > Does anyone else agree with me??? > BTW I run 3.1.2 at my school. > I'll throw in my 2 cents here... I use the FC2 release, whichever that is 4.1 I think, and I'm very happy with it, and don't feel the need to upgrade to 4.2 really. If it ain't broke why fix it? With MS products where you look at the product life-cycle for the past 10 yrs... 95, 98, 98se, ME, 2000, XP Home, XP Pro (not including all of the NT's...) they've had an army creating integration and usability for the "ignorant" user. In Linux things are moving quite rapidly now that it is catching on as a viable alternative to MS products...and the growth is tremendous in the past 5 years alone. USB support on a thin client...last year was nearly unheard of, the whole Mac Pac catching the LTSP wave and making use of lovely antiquated Mac hardware... The releases are being driven by the needs of the users/admins as far as K12LTSP goes...(or so it seems to me) The effort you speak of...making it "better" refers to 3rd party software, such as VNC Reflector/TeacherTool, SMBLDAP, Moodle, and all that jazz... Personally what I think is that Eric H. aught to be able to focus on the releases. Then someone else(plural?) with the skills to begin integrating those apps into viable packages that are selectable/configurable at install could take that portion of the helm. As people do this on what I assume is their "free time" I'm just grateful to all of those who do contribute and support and to their SO's who kindly(maybe not so kindly at times) allow them their "hack-attacks" to prep releases and stuff for we who use it =) So in summary, I agree I would like to see "someone" with the skills step up and make K12LTSP better than it already is with more package support, but think that Eric is doing a great job keeping K12LTSP up to date rather than playing catch up.\ (still wishes it were debian based though *BIG SMILE*) --Huck From lharriott at mail.gotelja.com Thu Mar 31 19:10:41 2005 From: lharriott at mail.gotelja.com (Lawrence Harriott) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 14:10:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Problem booting thin clients on k12ltsp4.2 In-Reply-To: <20050331170046.952AD747A5@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050331170046.952AD747A5@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1112296241.5995.8.camel@server0.2gn.net> Hi all, > > I am having the same problem, so double thanks to > anybody who can shed some light on this. > ...... > Lawrence, do you have another NIC you could try? > > -Rob Unfortunately no. I have 3 Davicom DM9102AF cards that do not get as far as a dhcp request before timing out. My only e100 is the only one that gets as far as this. I do not mind getting new cards but now I do not know what the cause of the problem really is nor whether I won't have the same problem with a different card. Lawrence > --- Lawrence Harriott > wrote: > > Hi list, > > > > I set up a K12LTSP4.2 box a few days ago and can't > > seem to boot any thin > > clients. I installed from the CD's then upgraded via > > Internet using > > apt-get to get everything up to date. The server > > seems to be ok but my > > thin client, a 233MHz AMD-K5 using an e100 NIC (non > > of my DM9102AF cards > > boot properly)gets to the point of doing the the > > PIVOT-ROOT and just > > sits there for a while then decides that it cannot > > find the server. It > > gives this message, nfs: server 192.168.0.254 not > > responding, still > > trying. Var/log/messages reports that the mountd: > > authenticated mount > > request from ws150. > > > > Using another linux machine I can mount and access > > the nfs shares, no > > problem. > > > > Incidentally, I am booting using a rom-o-matic > > 'universal' boot > > diskette. This machine insists that it is > > 192.168.0.150 regardless of > > what I set it to in dhcpd.conf. I have no idea where > > it gets that IP > > from. > > > > I would appreciate any help in getting this to work. > > I have googled > > around a bit but have not yet found anything on this > > particular issue. I > > am wondering whether the NIC or the upgrade may be > > the culprit! > > > > Thanks > > Lawrence > > From ramonklown at pop.com.br Thu Mar 31 19:16:03 2005 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:16:03 -0300 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Release cycle too fast In-Reply-To: <424C456C.4070307@paasda.org> References: <424C456C.4070307@paasda.org> Message-ID: <39482.200.159.149.201.1112296563.squirrel@popmail4.pop.com.br> I think it's important to keep on coming new releases. I had a keyboard problem a while ago (4.1 release) and when 4.2 came out it fixed it. It was a Fedora Core problem I think, but as new releases come along it seems that Fedora and Ltsp are become more and more stable. If you don't find bugs then fine, if others do find it they need it fixed and they will be desperate after that new release for their problems to be resolved. Maybe someone's job depends on it, who knows. Peace, Ramon > Robert Arkiletian wrote: >> Since Sept 2003 when 3.1.2 was released we have had 4.0, 4.1 and now >> 4.2 and many sub releases to fix problems. That's RH9, FC1, FC2 and >> FC3 in 1.5 years. >> >> I think this is ridiculous for a server platform (even if it is a >> desktop environ.) >> Poor Eric H. is continually tracking and fixing bugs in new releases. >> >> I think more effort should be put into making k12ltsp better >> (SchoolBell, VNC Reflector/ Teachertool, smbldap, Moodle, local-apps, >> Muekow etc..) rather than releasing with the Fedora schedule. >> >> Does anyone else agree with me??? >> BTW I run 3.1.2 at my school. >> > > I'll throw in my 2 cents here... > > I use the FC2 release, whichever that is 4.1 I think, and I'm very happy > with it, and don't feel the need to upgrade to 4.2 really. If it ain't > broke why fix it? > > With MS products where you look at the product life-cycle for the past > 10 yrs... 95, 98, 98se, ME, 2000, XP Home, XP Pro (not including all of > the NT's...) they've had an army creating integration and usability for > the "ignorant" user. > > In Linux things are moving quite rapidly now that it is catching on as a > viable alternative to MS products...and the growth is tremendous in the > past 5 years alone. USB support on a thin client...last year was nearly > unheard of, the whole Mac Pac catching the LTSP wave and making use of > lovely antiquated Mac hardware... > > The releases are being driven by the needs of the users/admins as far as > K12LTSP goes...(or so it seems to me) > > The effort you speak of...making it "better" refers to 3rd party > software, such as VNC Reflector/TeacherTool, SMBLDAP, Moodle, and all > that jazz... > > Personally what I think is that Eric H. aught to be able to focus on the > releases. Then someone else(plural?) with the skills to begin > integrating those apps into viable packages that are > selectable/configurable at install could take that portion of the helm. > > As people do this on what I assume is their "free time" I'm just > grateful to all of those who do contribute and support and to their SO's > who kindly(maybe not so kindly at times) allow them their "hack-attacks" > to prep releases and stuff for we who use it =) > > So in summary, I agree I would like to see "someone" with the skills > step up and make K12LTSP better than it already is with more package > support, but think that Eric is doing a great job keeping K12LTSP up to > date rather than playing catch up.\ > (still wishes it were debian based though *BIG SMILE*) > > --Huck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From robark at gmail.com Thu Mar 31 19:26:57 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:26:57 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Release cycle too fast In-Reply-To: <000f01c53621$91e14f10$f894060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000f01c53621$91e14f10$f894060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 12:43:45 -0600, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > Does anyone else agree with me??? > > BTW I run 3.1.2 at my school. > > I think that is mainly the goal with Project Muekow. This should > offload a lot of the work that is required to make LTSP and K12LTSP work > giving them the opportunity to focus more on making the improvements you > have indicated. If you haven't read the wiki article yet on it you > should, it may clear up some of your concerns. > I have read it. But my point is that if we didn't have a 4.2 release we could put our efforts into Muekow instead. How many of us actually NEED 4.2 over 4.1? Please understand I think Eric is doing a SUPER job. But being a teacher + sysadmin + father + husband I know how precious time can be. So I feel for people like Eric who spend so much time releasing so often. I personally think one major release per year should be enough for everyone. I won't upgrade in the middle of the school year anyway. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Thu Mar 31 19:36:45 2005 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:36:45 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Release cycle too fast In-Reply-To: <424C456C.4070307@paasda.org> References: <424C456C.4070307@paasda.org> Message-ID: <1112297805.17437.16.camel@dan.parkrose.k12.or.us> On Thu, 2005-03-31 at 10:46 -0800, Huck wrote: > Personally what I think is that Eric H. aught to be able to focus on the > releases. Then someone else(plural?) with the skills to begin > integrating those apps into viable packages that are > selectable/configurable at install could take that portion of the helm. This is already happening w/ Fedora Extras. As Eric noted, that repository is enabled by default in the 4.2.1 release. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras "yum install foo" where foo is a package in Extras. Extras packages should be available at install time w/ FC5. -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Mar 31 19:45:05 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 13:45:05 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Release cycle too fast In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002001c5362a$23527520$f894060a@winonacotter.org> > I have read it. But my point is that if we didn't have a 4.2 > release we could put our efforts into Muekow instead. How > many of us actually NEED 4.2 over 4.1? Please understand I > think Eric is doing a SUPER job. But being a teacher + > sysadmin + father + husband I know how precious time can be. > So I feel for people like Eric who spend so much time > releasing so often. The new features and fixes are also important to a lot of others in the meantime though. I for one am very happy to see the PPC support included in the new release. I think the development for Muekow is farther upstream than Eric anyhow (I may be out of line saying that, so correct me if I am wrong). I think the LTSP folks have to develop the new version along with Ubuntu first, then Eric can take the new setup and repackage it when finished. So in the meantime instead of letting everything just sit as is he is still implementing our requests and repackaging the fixes. Maybe his time would be more efficient if put toward the development of Muekow, but maybe Muekow won't even evolve. Maybe it does become existant but takes 2 years before it is ready. In those cases life still needs to go on in the K12LTSP world. And I would feel bad for anyone who abandoned a current project to work on a possible new project...that may or may not fail...and then have to play catch up for a couple of years lost time. Not to mention the user base that could be lost in the event things went this way. I hear your concerns, but I think this is why things haven't gone the way you suggest. Of course I may be in left field. Eric would most likely speak for himself better than me. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jam at mcquil.com Thu Mar 31 19:50:05 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 14:50:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Release cycle too fast In-Reply-To: <002001c5362a$23527520$f894060a@winonacotter.org> References: <002001c5362a$23527520$f894060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 31 Mar 2005, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > I have read it. But my point is that if we didn't have a 4.2 > > release we could put our efforts into Muekow instead. How > > many of us actually NEED 4.2 over 4.1? Please understand I > > think Eric is doing a SUPER job. But being a teacher + > > sysadmin + father + husband I know how precious time can be. > > So I feel for people like Eric who spend so much time > > releasing so often. > > The new features and fixes are also important to a lot of others in the > meantime though. I for one am very happy to see the PPC support > included in the new release. This one is very exciting to me too, and I don't even own a Mac :) > > I think the development for Muekow is farther upstream than Eric anyhow > (I may be out of line saying that, so correct me if I am wrong). I > think the LTSP folks have to develop the new version along with Ubuntu > first, then Eric can take the new setup and repackage it when finished. > So in the meantime instead of letting everything just sit as is he is > still implementing our requests and repackaging the fixes. Actually, I hope that Eric will be an integral part of the development of MueKow. He's got some valuable insight that we need, in order to push the technology forward. I've got other people that have so far not been a part of the LTSP development process that will be joining up with us, to achieve our goals. > > Maybe his time would be more efficient if put toward the development of > Muekow, but maybe Muekow won't even evolve. Maybe it does become > existant but takes 2 years before it is ready. In those cases life > still needs to go on in the K12LTSP world. > > And I would feel bad for anyone who abandoned a current project to work > on a possible new project...that may or may not fail...and then have to > play catch up for a couple of years lost time. Not to mention the user > base that could be lost in the event things went this way. EXACTLY ! I'll keep putting out updates to LTSP-4.1 as well. And I can't even say that MueKow will completely replace what we currently think of as LTSP. At this point, it's just an experiment. > > I hear your concerns, but I think this is why things haven't gone the > way you suggest. Of course I may be in left field. Eric would most > likely speak for himself better than me. > Thanks, Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Thu Mar 31 19:59:05 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 14:59:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Another famous name coming the Gould Linux conference! Message-ID: In addition to Jim MacQuillan (a founder of the Linux Terminal Server project...LTSP) I have just received word that we will be joined by John "Maddog" Hall of Linux International and one of the primary figures in the Open Source world. Maddog has spoken to audiences all over including many keynote speeched at major technology gatherings worldwide. I had the good fortune of meeting Maddog at LinuxWorld this year and I am very happy that he will be joining us at the Linux conference in June. If you haven't registered there's still plenty of slots so please...register today! For more info, and to register: http://www.trasksinc.com/NELS For more info on Mr. Hall....click below.... http://www.opensource-forum.ru/bio_view.php?num=1 David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au Thu Mar 31 20:07:47 2005 From: debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au (Debbie Schiel) Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 06:07:47 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: best wireless card for dell laptop Message-ID: <424C5893.5010302@redeemer.qld.edu.au> Hi there, I've spent most of today trying to get a belkin f5d6020n wireless card to work on my personal laptop - I've googled and tried various scripts/updates/drivers and come to the conclusion that the card is just not going to work. (The card was a windowz hand-me-down anyway.) SO I'm going to invest in a NEW card and I'm hoping that someone on the list could offer some advice on the best wireless card that'll work with a DELL Inspiron 1150 laptop running Fedora Core 2 OS. Thanks in advance, Debbie -- http://www.redeemer.qld.edu.au/ (Currently on holiday in Luxembourg) From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu Mar 31 20:31:04 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 12:31:04 -0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Release cycle too fast In-Reply-To: References: <002001c5362a$23527520$f894060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <424C5E08.4070004@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> I've made several posts on this general topic over the last 1.5 years. I would look up the links in the archives, but I'm about to slip out for a much over-due three day weekend. The points made below pretty much sum up my feelings. We need to keep the stable versions around (if K12LTSP 3.1.2 does what you need it to do, then use it!) but we also know that we need to push hard to make this technology go as far as we want it to go. The release cycle is fast because it needs to be fast. From a personal perspective, I am happy with the development of K12LTSP. I believe we are heading the right direction and are placing our limited resources where they will make the greatest long-term benefit. -Eric Jim McQuillan wrote: > > On Thu, 31 Mar 2005, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > >>>I have read it. But my point is that if we didn't have a 4.2 >>>release we could put our efforts into Muekow instead. How >>>many of us actually NEED 4.2 over 4.1? Please understand I >>>think Eric is doing a SUPER job. But being a teacher + >>>sysadmin + father + husband I know how precious time can be. >>>So I feel for people like Eric who spend so much time >>>releasing so often. >> >>The new features and fixes are also important to a lot of others in the >>meantime though. I for one am very happy to see the PPC support >>included in the new release. > > > This one is very exciting to me too, and I don't even own a Mac :) > > >>I think the development for Muekow is farther upstream than Eric anyhow >>(I may be out of line saying that, so correct me if I am wrong). I >>think the LTSP folks have to develop the new version along with Ubuntu >>first, then Eric can take the new setup and repackage it when finished. >>So in the meantime instead of letting everything just sit as is he is >>still implementing our requests and repackaging the fixes. > > > Actually, I hope that Eric will be an integral part of the development > of MueKow. He's got some valuable insight that we need, in order to > push the technology forward. I've got other people that have so far not > been a part of the LTSP development process that will be joining up > with us, to achieve our goals. > > > >>Maybe his time would be more efficient if put toward the development of >>Muekow, but maybe Muekow won't even evolve. Maybe it does become >>existant but takes 2 years before it is ready. In those cases life >>still needs to go on in the K12LTSP world. >> >>And I would feel bad for anyone who abandoned a current project to work >>on a possible new project...that may or may not fail...and then have to >>play catch up for a couple of years lost time. Not to mention the user >>base that could be lost in the event things went this way. > > > EXACTLY ! > > I'll keep putting out updates to LTSP-4.1 as well. And I can't even say > that MueKow will completely replace what we currently think of as LTSP. > At this point, it's just an experiment. > > > >>I hear your concerns, but I think this is why things haven't gone the >>way you suggest. Of course I may be in left field. Eric would most >>likely speak for himself better than me. >> > > > Thanks, > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From pfaffman at gmail.com Thu Mar 31 20:48:14 2005 From: pfaffman at gmail.com (Jay Pfaffman) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:48:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.2.1 pre3, ready for production? In-Reply-To: <000b01c53620$4efb42b0$f894060a@winonacotter.org> References: <9326098005033011273112d758@mail.gmail.com> <000b01c53620$4efb42b0$f894060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <932609800503311248401290a5@mail.gmail.com> I successfully booted a more recent laptop, so I don't think the problem is something as silly as yaboot and friends being missing (but I did check /opt/ppc and /tftpboot for stuff that I thought should be there). I'm reasonably sure that I've got the right stuff installed. I did do another "yum update" to make sure I had the latest and greatest. The Open Firmware incantation yields /pci/mac-io/ethernet:192.168.0.254:-1,yaboot.conf: Unknown or corrupt filesystem Can't open config file. Oh! Is it upset because thtis machine has no MacOS but instead has some version of Linux installed on the hard drive? I bet that's it. Does tfpt try to copy stuff to the hard drive or something? On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 12:34:44 -0600, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > I have a what I think is a 1st generation iMac (it's that > > funny blue color). I installed the latest version available > > at sunsite.utk.edu a couple hours ago; yum update doesn't get > > any new ppc stuff. I hold down the N key and get a network > > boot. Forgiving typos, this is what the mac says: > > > > /pci at 8000000000/mac-io at 10/ethernet::-1,yaboot.conf: Unknown > > or corrupt filesystem Can't open config file Welcome to > > yaboot version 1.3.10 Enter"help" to get some basic usage information > > boot: > > > > then I have to power cycle to try again. > > > > Any clues? I've got a teacher at a Mac school who'll be > > psyched if I can get this going. > > If you are having trouble with the N key try booting to Open Firmware > and manually booting things. > > Start the iMac while holding cmd+option+o+f to get into Open Firware. > At the prompt type: > "boot enet:192.168.0.254,yaboot" (if you're not using the defaults > substitute your own IP) then hit enter. This should initiate the > network boot sequence. If things go fine post back out and I'll give > you the steps to manually set things permanent. The line above will > only work for the current bootup. > > If you want you can check /tftpboot and be sure that yaboot.conf, > yaboot, the ppc kernel and ppc init files are there. Also check > /opt/ltsp/ and be sure the ppc folder is present. > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > -- Jay Pfaffman Asst Professor of Instructional Technology, U. TN, Knoxville Experimenting with gmail, please honor the Reply-To From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Thu Mar 31 21:39:42 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:39:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Release cycle too fast In-Reply-To: <424C5E08.4070004@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <002001c5362a$23527520$f894060a@winonacotter.org> < > <424C5E08.4070004@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: Think of it this way....they make new cars every year....does that mean we buy one every year? Not me. Also...think if it this way....the Model T had 4 wheels and an engine....why bother to upgrade? Simply put, if we do not continue to push the envelope...fix bugs...and new drivers for new technolgy...update software....we'll never move forward. As individual system admins...we need to create our own "freeze" points and work with that. I have 4.1 installed. It works fine and I will not upgrade until this summer....why? No need to. Do I want development to stop? Heck no...I want something new and stable to upgrade to this summer! I currently play with 4.2 and love it! The fact that I get to play with it before I deploy it or one of its offspring...is nice...since I can get familiar with it and work out my own bugs. If you use 3.12...great! I must admit though that 4.1 has some really nice new features that made it worth the update. BUT...the nice thing is that unlike M$...no one if forced to upgrade due to something no longer being available or supported. Version 3.12 will be around for a while...so there's no rush to upgrade. Just let the project continue to move forward and we'll all jump on the train when we want to....not when we have to. :-) "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 3:31 PM +0000 wrote: >I've made several posts on this general topic over the last 1.5 years. I >would look up the links in the archives, but I'm about to slip out for a >much over-due three day weekend. > >The points made below pretty much sum up my feelings. We need to keep >the stable versions around (if K12LTSP 3.1.2 does what you need it to >do, then use it!) but we also know that we need to push hard to make >this technology go as far as we want it to go. The release cycle is fast >because it needs to be fast. > > From a personal perspective, I am happy with the development of >K12LTSP. I believe we are heading the right direction and are placing >our limited resources where they will make the greatest long-term benefit. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From jim at winonacotter.org Thu Mar 31 21:53:06 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:53:06 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP 4.2.1 pre3, ready for production? In-Reply-To: <932609800503311248401290a5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003901c5363c$054b3640$f894060a@winonacotter.org> > /pci/mac-io/ethernet:192.168.0.254:-1,yaboot.conf: Unknown or I have a sneaky feeling that the :-1 is causing the problem and is keeping it from loading the yaboot.conf. I however have no idea why it is there on your setup. I just checked a mac here and didn't see it go by, but maybe it only shows up as an error. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From bear2bar at netscape.net Thu Mar 31 21:36:55 2005 From: bear2bar at netscape.net (norbert) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:36:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] 4.2.1 install problem HELP In-Reply-To: References: <424B0C5E.8010603@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <424B54A1.8000802@sierra-computer.com> Message-ID: <424C6D77.7060501@netscape.net> Hi, What are the files that determine whick desktop managers are available on startup. Since I upgraded to 4.2.1 I've lost all my desktop managers..... thks norbert eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us wrote: > On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, Steve Knopik wrote: > >> Eric, >> >> I just tried installing wireless-tools which has libiw.so.27. It is >> already installed on my server. > > > I had the messed-up version of wireless-tools installed on my desktop. > > Here is what I ran to fix it: > > rpm -Uhv --oldpackage > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/4.2.1/updates/wireless-tools-27-0.pre25.3.i386.rpm > > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see