From ascensiontech at gmail.com Sun May 1 03:17:15 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Ascension Tech) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 23:17:15 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] yum problem In-Reply-To: References: <9bd3175605043012571f95d9d8@mail.gmail.com> <9bd31756050430135237683763@mail.gmail.com> <9bd3175605043014043e2395e6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bd3175605043020175d3c5701@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Burke, Ouch, I think it might be pretty messed up. When I run rpm -e openoffice.org i get: [root at LTSP2 Oo]# rpm -e openoffice.org error: Failed dependencies: openoffice.org >= 1.1.0 is needed by (installed) openoffice-extras-1.1.0-1.k12ltsp.1.4.2.noarch openoffice.org >= 1.1.0 is needed by (installed) OpenOffice-suite-compat-0.0.2-k12ltsp.0.4.0.noarch openoffice.org = 1.1.3-9.5.0.fc3 is needed by (installed) openoffice.org-i18n-1.1.3-9.5.0.fc3.i386 openoffice.org = 1.1.3-9.5.0.fc3 is needed by (installed) openoffice.org-libs-1.1.3-9.5.0.fc3.i386 openoffice.org = 1.1.3-9.5.0.fc3 is needed by (installed) openoffice.org-kde-1.1.3-9.5.0.fc3.i386 openoffice.org = 1.1.3-11.5.0.fc3 is needed by (installed) openoffice.org-i18n-1.1.3-11.5.0.fc3.i386 [root at LTSP2 Oo]# I have a feeling apt is messed up too because it seems to be looking for fedora core 2 updates instead of fedora core 3. [root at LTSP2 Oo]# apt-get update Get:1 http://ruslug.rutgers.edu fedora/2 release [505B] Ign http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu fedora/2/i386 release Fetched 505B in 0s (3489B/s) Err http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu fedora/2/i386/os pkglist 404 Not Found Hit http://ruslug.rutgers.edu fedora/2/macromedia pkglist Hit http://ruslug.rutgers.edu fedora/2/macromedia release Ign http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu fedora/2/i386/os release Hit http://ruslug.rutgers.edu fedora/2/macromedia srclist Err http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu fedora/2/i386/updates pkglist 404 Not Found Ign http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu fedora/2/i386/updates release Err http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu fedora/2/i386/os srclist 404 Not Found Err http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu fedora/2/i386/updates srclist 404 Not Found Err http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu fedora/2/i386/stable pkglist 404 Not Found Ign http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu fedora/2/i386/stable release Err http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu fedora/2/i386/stable srclist 404 Not Found Failed to fetch http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/linux/fedora.us/fedora/fedora/2/i386/base/pkglist.os 404 Not Found Failed to fetch http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/linux/fedora.us/fedora/fedora/2/i386/base/pkglist.updates 404 Not Found Failed to fetch http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/linux/fedora.us/fedora/fedora/2/i386/base/srclist.os 404 Not Found Failed to fetch http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/linux/fedora.us/fedora/fedora/2/i386/base/srclist.updates 404 Not Found Failed to fetch http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/linux/fedora.us/fedora/fedora/2/i386/base/pkglist.stable 404 Not Found Failed to fetch http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/linux/fedora.us/fedora/fedora/2/i386/base/srclist.stable 404 Not Found Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. [root at LTSP2 Oo]# Anyone have any ideas? Thanks, Peter : On 4/30/05, Burke Almquist wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Looks like you may have to do as they say and use rpm. > Or apt. > > On Apr 30, 2005, at 4:04 PM, Ascension Tech wrote: > > > I don't think that feature is a apart of yum. If this is right: > > > > https://lists.dulug.duke.edu/pipermail/yum/2004-July/004947.html > > > > > > > > On 4/30/05, Burke Almquist wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >> Hash: SHA1 > >> > >> Can you force it? > >> > >> On Apr 30, 2005, at 3:52 PM, Ascension Tech wrote: > >> > >>> Nope. same result. > >>> > >>> -P > >>> > >>> On 4/30/05, Burke Almquist wrote: > >>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >>>> Hash: SHA1 > >>>> > >>>> try updating the four problem packages all at once? > >>>> (listing them as arguments of the command) > >>>> eg. "yum update openoffice.org openoffice.org-i18n" > >>>> > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > >> Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) > >> > >> iEYEARECAAYFAkJz8HYACgkQfqZR3ThMfXTsBACghbXWb60Tl9e1mL510mmkUBxg > >> 0zwAn0RC8ouzZ+mbqCITPLDKRYf3UGWS > >> =oSll > >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >> > >> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) > > iEYEARECAAYFAkJ0KsAACgkQfqZR3ThMfXTC6gCePs+/zooYoix709MUgucM8+NH > Zd0An02qYnci9hlFDu421ZkFoGmPC3GP > =DKzr > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > From bklinux at verizon.net Sun May 1 07:36:31 2005 From: bklinux at verizon.net (Byron Kapali) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 21:36:31 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux version of Hyperterminal Message-ID: <427486FF.9090502@verizon.net> Does anyone know of a good program that is similar to Hyperterminal? My students need to access routers for labs and since I've changed over to Ubuntu on their workstations I didn't plan on a hyperterminal type of app not being there. Any suggestions? ...byron From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Sun May 1 08:08:59 2005 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Sun, 01 May 2005 16:08:59 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux version of Hyperterminal In-Reply-To: <427486FF.9090502@verizon.net> References: <427486FF.9090502@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1114934939.5395.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2005-04-30 at 21:36 -1000, Byron Kapali wrote: > Does anyone know of a good program that is similar to Hyperterminal? My > students need to access routers for labs and since I've changed over to > Ubuntu on their workstations I didn't plan on a hyperterminal type of > app not being there. Any suggestions? > > ...byron > Many would recommend you try minicom. It's standard with many distros including FC3. However, I found it a bit too archaic and cryptic for my taste and have got great use from gtkterm for comms with dataloggers and such like on the serial port. Haven't tried it from thin clients, though. Maybe you get back into that issue of client serial port access that comes up from time to time ;-) -- Regards, Gavin Chester From sudev at mantraonline.com Sun May 1 09:56:32 2005 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Sun, 01 May 2005 15:26:32 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux version of Hyperterminal In-Reply-To: <427486FF.9090502@verizon.net> References: <427486FF.9090502@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1114941392.6801.1.camel@server.ltsp> On Sat, 2005-04-30 at 21:36 -1000, Byron Kapali wrote: > Does anyone know of a good program that is similar to Hyperterminal? My > students need to access routers for labs and since I've changed over to > Ubuntu on their workstations I didn't plan on a hyperterminal type of > app not being there. Any suggestions? minicom or telnet should work?? Of course ssh is better and secure. OTOH if you are looking to hyperterm in to Linux box just enable telnet services. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Sun May 1 11:20:13 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 06:20:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] yum problem In-Reply-To: <9bd3175605043020175d3c5701@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd3175605043012571f95d9d8@mail.gmail.com> <9bd31756050430135237683763@mail.gmail.com> <9bd3175605043014043e2395e6@mail.gmail.com> <9bd3175605043020175d3c5701@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <574acfb3c9e303dc101cac9aeec858ba@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Try removing them all at once. On Apr 30, 2005, at 10:17 PM, Ascension Tech wrote: > Thanks Burke, > Ouch, I think it might be pretty messed up. When I run rpm -e > openoffice.org i get: > > [root at LTSP2 Oo]# rpm -e openoffice.org > error: Failed dependencies: > openoffice.org >= 1.1.0 is needed by (installed) > openoffice-extras-1.1.0-1.k12ltsp.1.4.2.noarch > openoffice.org >= 1.1.0 is needed by (installed) > OpenOffice-suite-compat-0.0.2-k12ltsp.0.4.0.noarch > openoffice.org = 1.1.3-9.5.0.fc3 is needed by (installed) > openoffice.org-i18n-1.1.3-9.5.0.fc3.i386 > openoffice.org = 1.1.3-9.5.0.fc3 is needed by (installed) > openoffice.org-libs-1.1.3-9.5.0.fc3.i386 > openoffice.org = 1.1.3-9.5.0.fc3 is needed by (installed) > openoffice.org-kde-1.1.3-9.5.0.fc3.i386 > openoffice.org = 1.1.3-11.5.0.fc3 is needed by (installed) > openoffice.org-i18n-1.1.3-11.5.0.fc3.i386 > [root at LTSP2 Oo]# > > I have a feeling apt is messed up too because it seems to be looking > for fedora core 2 updates instead of fedora core 3. > > [root at LTSP2 Oo]# apt-get update > Get:1 http://ruslug.rutgers.edu fedora/2 release [505B] > Ign http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu fedora/2/i386 release > Fetched 505B in 0s (3489B/s) > Err http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu fedora/2/i386/os pkglist > 404 Not Found > Hit http://ruslug.rutgers.edu fedora/2/macromedia pkglist > Hit http://ruslug.rutgers.edu fedora/2/macromedia release > Ign http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu fedora/2/i386/os release > Hit http://ruslug.rutgers.edu fedora/2/macromedia srclist > Err http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu fedora/2/i386/updates pkglist > 404 Not Found > Ign http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu fedora/2/i386/updates release > Err http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu fedora/2/i386/os srclist > 404 Not Found > Err http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu fedora/2/i386/updates srclist > 404 Not Found > Err http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu fedora/2/i386/stable pkglist > 404 Not Found > Ign http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu fedora/2/i386/stable release > Err http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu fedora/2/i386/stable srclist > 404 Not Found > Failed to fetch > http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/linux/fedora.us/fedora/fedora/2/i386/base/ > pkglist.os > 404 Not Found > Failed to fetch > http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/linux/fedora.us/fedora/fedora/2/i386/base/ > pkglist.updates > 404 Not Found > Failed to fetch > http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/linux/fedora.us/fedora/fedora/2/i386/base/ > srclist.os > 404 Not Found > Failed to fetch > http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/linux/fedora.us/fedora/fedora/2/i386/base/ > srclist.updates > 404 Not Found > Failed to fetch > http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/linux/fedora.us/fedora/fedora/2/i386/base/ > pkglist.stable > 404 Not Found > Failed to fetch > http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/linux/fedora.us/fedora/fedora/2/i386/base/ > srclist.stable > 404 Not Found > Reading Package Lists... Done > Building Dependency Tree... Done > E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old > ones used instead. > [root at LTSP2 Oo]# > > > Anyone have any ideas? > > Thanks, > Peter > > : > > On 4/30/05, Burke Almquist wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Looks like you may have to do as they say and use rpm. >> Or apt. >> >> On Apr 30, 2005, at 4:04 PM, Ascension Tech wrote: >> >>> I don't think that feature is a apart of yum. If this is right: >>> >>> https://lists.dulug.duke.edu/pipermail/yum/2004-July/004947.html >>> >>> >>> >>> On 4/30/05, Burke Almquist wrote: >>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>> Hash: SHA1 >>>> >>>> Can you force it? >>>> >>>> On Apr 30, 2005, at 3:52 PM, Ascension Tech wrote: >>>> >>>>> Nope. same result. >>>>> >>>>> -P >>>>> >>>>> On 4/30/05, Burke Almquist wrote: >>>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>>> Hash: SHA1 >>>>>> >>>>>> try updating the four problem packages all at once? >>>>>> (listing them as arguments of the command) >>>>>> eg. "yum update openoffice.org openoffice.org-i18n" >>>>>> >>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>>> Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) >>>> >>>> iEYEARECAAYFAkJz8HYACgkQfqZR3ThMfXTsBACghbXWb60Tl9e1mL510mmkUBxg >>>> 0zwAn0RC8ouzZ+mbqCITPLDKRYf3UGWS >>>> =oSll >>>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>>> >>>> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) >> >> iEYEARECAAYFAkJ0KsAACgkQfqZR3ThMfXTC6gCePs+/zooYoix709MUgucM8+NH >> Zd0An02qYnci9hlFDu421ZkFoGmPC3GP >> =DKzr >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkJ0u20ACgkQfqZR3ThMfXSsYwCeOCwamIoPBx+ioei8uCdiIdu3 Q1gAnRvf+D3cTM+7YhHqseiUY+YZaW8q =C4g3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From clay at bridgeportisd.net Sun May 1 13:24:47 2005 From: clay at bridgeportisd.net (Walker, Clay) Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 08:24:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux version of Hyperterminal Message-ID: <6146AF43B9A098498022FC21CD2738A4D2CAC3@mail.bridgeport.bridgeportisd.net> the cu works well as a serial terminal. I think I usually call it with cu -l /dev/ttyp0 to use the com1 port. To exit, ~. usually does it if I recall correctly. ________________________________ From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com on behalf of Sudev Barar Sent: Sun 5/1/2005 4:56 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Linux version of Hyperterminal On Sat, 2005-04-30 at 21:36 -1000, Byron Kapali wrote: > Does anyone know of a good program that is similar to Hyperterminal? My > students need to access routers for labs and since I've changed over to > Ubuntu on their workstations I didn't plan on a hyperterminal type of > app not being there. Any suggestions? minicom or telnet should work?? Of course ssh is better and secure. OTOH if you are looking to hyperterm in to Linux box just enable telnet services. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 4020 bytes Desc: not available URL: From hick518 at yahoo.com Sun May 1 17:04:16 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 10:04:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] is dhcp on port 1067 necessary? In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050501170416.50202.qmail@web41606.mail.yahoo.com> well, I'm embarassed. The trouble I was having is that when I tried to boot knoppix, it failed. But it looks like I might not have enough ram for that. I booted knoppix into text mode and it worked fine. eth0 got an IP address on port 67 and I was able to ping. Thanks for inspiring me to try it again. -Rob --- Les Mikesell wrote: > On Sat, 2005-04-30 at 10:52, Rob Owens wrote: > > > I tried running dhcp only from my ltsp server, and > > putting it on port 67. Windows machines were able > to > > use that ok. I guess because they didn't know > what to > > do with the kernel that was sent to them, they > just > > ignored it. But booting a linux machine on this > > network causes trouble. > > What kind of trouble? My network offers a kernel to > everything and things that don't want to etherboot > ignore it, including linux clients using dhcp only > for their IP setup. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From les at futuresource.com Mon May 2 00:11:55 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 01 May 2005 19:11:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] is dhcp on port 1067 necessary? In-Reply-To: <20050501170416.50202.qmail@web41606.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050501170416.50202.qmail@web41606.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1114992714.18408.2.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2005-05-01 at 12:04, Rob Owens wrote: > well, I'm embarassed. The trouble I was having is > that when I tried to boot knoppix, it failed. But it > looks like I might not have enough ram for that. I > booted knoppix into text mode and it worked fine. > eth0 got an IP address on port 67 and I was able to > ping. > > Thanks for inspiring me to try it again. If you haven't tried it already, note that machines that don't have enough RAM to run a local Knoppix desktop can still work as a thin client. After the text-mode boot you can 'X -query server' to log in. This works well with laptops with pcmcia cards that won't boot over the network. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From carl at snarlnet.com Mon May 2 01:09:03 2005 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Sun, 01 May 2005 18:09:03 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Changing IP of K12LTSP/LAMP server Message-ID: <42757DAF.3090803@snarlnet.com> Hey, It would really make my life easier if I could change the public IP of my K12LTSP server. The server is also acting as a LAMP server. Does anyone have any idea how much work that's going to be? I know I have to update httpd.conf, and all DNS entries that point to it. Does anyone have an inventory of all the conf files that have to be touched to change the static, public IP of a K12LTSP/LAMP server? I believe there's stuff hard coded to the IP in lts.conf too. I'm worried I'm going to miss a file or two and then everything's going to be broken. Any advice on how to do this in an orderly fashion? Thanks, ck From sudev at mantraonline.com Mon May 2 03:27:45 2005 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 08:57:45 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Changing IP of K12LTSP/LAMP server In-Reply-To: <42757DAF.3090803@snarlnet.com> References: <42757DAF.3090803@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: <1115004465.19437.2.camel@server.ltsp> On Sun, 2005-05-01 at 18:09 -0700, Carl Keil wrote: > Does anyone > have an inventory of all the conf files that have to be touched to > change the static, public IP of a K12LTSP/LAMP server? I believe > there's stuff hard coded to the IP in lts.conf too. If you have a two NIC card setup then all you do is run command "neat" as root. Choose the second NIC card (eth1) and edit its IP number. That should be all if you have done a standard K12 install. I do not think there is anything hard coded for the public IP in lts.conf. This files is for configurations of the clients. HTH -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From hick518 at yahoo.com Mon May 2 09:50:32 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 02:50:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] is dhcp on port 1067 necessary? In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050502095032.44741.qmail@web41601.mail.yahoo.com> I haven't tried it, but I did save an email from a few weeks/months back when you posted something similar. The computer in question is normally booted with a rom-o-matic floppy, but I was using knoppix just to test my dhcp setup. Do you know any tricks for booting my laptop which only has a floppy drive? The wireless ltsp package isn't working. The boot process stops at "doing pivot_root" and then claims that the nfs server isn't responding. At that point, I can ping the laptop, but I can't do anything else with it. Thanks for the help. -Rob --- Les Mikesell wrote: > If you haven't tried it already, note that machines > that > don't have enough RAM to run a local Knoppix desktop > can > still work as a thin client. After the text-mode > boot > you can 'X -query server' to log in. This works > well > with laptops with pcmcia cards that won't boot over > the > network. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From mellax at pm.ee Mon May 2 10:54:01 2005 From: mellax at pm.ee (Mella) Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 13:54:01 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] RAID5 so slow? In-Reply-To: <20050428152632.8191C739E3@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050428152632.8191C739E3@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <427606C9.1080209@pm.ee> Hi! I test 2 similar computers today. Almost similar except SCSI controllers and kernels. I found RAID5 2x slower than disks separately in other computer. Is it normal or I have some misconfigutations in Intel controller or default FC3 kernel? Computer 1- Intel HG2 MB, DualXeon 2,8GHz, Intel RAID U320 add-on controller with 3 disks RAID5 array. array (sda) 3x73GB Atlas 10K3 Kernel 2.6.11-1.14_FC3smp #1 SMP [root at ts ~]# hdparm -t /dev/sda /dev/sda: Timing buffered disk reads: 82 MB in 3.02 seconds = 27.18 MB/sec Computer 2 - Intel VB2 DualXeon 2,4GHz, Adaptec U160. Disk (sda) 36GB Atlas 10K4 Kernel 2.4.30-1.smp.dma #1 SMP (self compiled) [root at mail root]# hdparm -t /dev/sda /dev/sda: Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 0.95 seconds = 67.37 MB/sec ==== Why faster disk and controller give slower performance data with RAID? From mr.rcollins at gmail.com Mon May 2 12:19:02 2005 From: mr.rcollins at gmail.com (Ryan Collins) Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 08:19:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Hotchalk.com? Message-ID: Is anyone using Hotchalk.com? They provide free wireless linux laptops. The catch is coporate sponsorship, but their website is a little short on the details. -- Ryan Collins Technology Coordinator - Kenton City Schools http://www.kentoncityschools.org/ From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Mon May 2 13:04:32 2005 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 09:04:32 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] PXE booting Message-ID: <1115039072.22554.3.camel@phoenix.hhp> John, It takes about 10-15 minutes to restore a WinXP partition (about 4 gigs of data). I see data transfers about 350 megs/minute. The one bite about partimage is if you have a smaller destination partition (I'm experimenting w/ the nfsresize command to shrink the partition before imaging it.. however you then have to reboot a couple of times on the restore end to get it enlarged again). Henry Henry, Sounds like a nice setup. How long does it take to do the partimage restore? John From: Henry Burroughs * To: k12osn redhat com * Subject: [K12OSN] PXE booting * Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 12:51:14 -0400 ________________________________________________________________________ I've started using PXE network boot as default on a number of my new systems. I use PXELINUX and setup a boot menu where the user can choose between windows (ie: localdrive) and linux over the network. The cool thing is I have an unlisted option for a pxe-recovery image that I use partimage to restore or image that computer system. No System rescue cd needed. I can pull the XP images straight off the network. Henry From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Mon May 2 13:13:22 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 08:13:22 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Linux version of Hyperterminal In-Reply-To: <427486FF.9090502@verizon.net> References: <427486FF.9090502@verizon.net> Message-ID: Isn't it just terminal software? There is minicom. . . But if the computers are already connected with IP, they should be able to telnet to the routers just the same. . . (I know telnet is old and insecure, but I figured if students were going to be connecting to them, then it was for a class, and those routers would not be connected to the world. . .) But if you are connecting them by a serial cable, minicom should work and it comes with most linux distributions. Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Sat, 30 Apr 2005, Byron Kapali wrote: > Does anyone know of a good program that is similar to Hyperterminal? My > students need to access routers for labs and since I've changed over to > Ubuntu on their workstations I didn't plan on a hyperterminal type of > app not being there. Any suggestions? > > ...byron > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From aslansreturn at yahoo.com Mon May 2 13:21:45 2005 From: aslansreturn at yahoo.com (richard ingalls) Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 06:21:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] IceWM, Gnome & Nautilus FRUSTRATIONS In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050502132145.92885.qmail@web52904.mail.yahoo.com> One machine: "wLAB" serves as a classroom server AND it exports /home out to the other classroom servers (because it has a SCSI drive). The other classroom servers "rLAB" and "mLAB" used to work just fine mounting /home from "wLAB" when it was a Red Hat 8 box. BUT after the fresh install of FC3, users can log in, but they get NOTHING... only a blank desktop. None of the apps work ... nothing. No LDAP. Just exporting /home and mounting via NFS. This used to work! What happened with FC3? --- David Trask wrote: > PLEASE fill in the one blank you are not > answering....how are these users > authenticating.....are you using Samba/LDAP or are > you simply creating the > same username and password on duplicate > machines...or something like that. > Then we should be able to help you. I have a > totally FC3 network....I > export my /home dirs, but we also authenticate to > one place...the > Samba/LDAP server....which is where all the /home > dirs and users > live...there are no users on the K12LTSP > server...only apps. > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." > on > Thursday, April 28, 2005 at 4:26 PM +0000 wrote: > >What USED to work: > >- RedHat8.0 based K12LTSP (3.0.0) server; serving > >/home out to other LTSP servers (all RH8). No > >problems. > >- upgraded the OTHER classroom machines to FC3 > based > >K12LTSP (4.2.0); everything still worked fine > > > >THEN > >-upgraded the /home server to FC3 (4.2.0); did a > >complete FRESH install > > > >NOW students can only log in at the one classroom > >where the /home server is. If they log in at the > >other classrooms, they get the IceWM bar at the > bottom > >of the screen, but NO desktop ICONS and NO file > >manager. ALSO, they can't even USE any of the > buttons > >on the taskbar. Clicking on one results in NOTHING > >happening. NO Firefox, no OpenOffice... nada. > > > >This used to work beautifully with RH8. I bragged > >about how little I had to work on this Linux-based > >classroom network (all 4 classrooms). NOW, I've > spent > >weeks trying to make this "new" supposed upgrade > work. > > AAAAAAARGH! > > > >Doesn't ANYONE have an ALL FC3 network serving > /home > >out to other FC3 boxes? Can't someone tell me what > is > >happening and HOW to fix it? I'm beginning to HATE > >Fedora Core 3, and I don't want to. I think it's > eye > >candy appeal is worth it to convince people about > the > >validity of Linux. BUT no amount of eye candy is > >worth this TROUBLE! > > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Mon May 2 13:29:24 2005 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 09:29:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SATA hot-swap hardware recommendations Message-ID: <1115040564.22554.10.camel@phoenix.hhp> I'm looking to build a file backup server, and I want to use SATA and have a hot swap drive internal drive enclosure. Can anyone recommend good hardware to do this with? ie: a motherboard or controller and/or enclosure that will work properly under Linux and allow me to remove a drive live (the drive will be an off-site copy of the data). Henry Burroughs Technology Director Hilton Head Preparatory School www.hhprep.org From jim at winonacotter.org Mon May 2 13:43:49 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 08:43:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] IceWM, Gnome & Nautilus FRUSTRATIONS In-Reply-To: <20050502132145.92885.qmail@web52904.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001501c54f1c$f89e9c30$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > No LDAP. Just exporting /home and mounting via NFS. > This used to work! What happened with FC3? I am guessing that when you first set this up you imported the same list of users in the same order on all of the machines, so luckily your UID's were all identical on each box. But now that they have been upgraded maybe they don't match anymore. Find a specific user and see if the user ID matches on all of the machines. If it doesn't there is the answer, if it does, then on to the next theory. Regardless I think it is somewhat dangerous to run a multi-server setup without some sort of central user authentication/syncronization. From what I know anyhow. Maybe someone out here has a quick tip on what to move from the server exporting /home to be sure UID's, GID's and password match on all servers. How about root? I would think the root user would match on all servers. Can root log and see icons? Did you verify that /home is indeed being mounted correctly on subsequent servers? -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From swift at msad52.k12.me.us Mon May 2 13:55:05 2005 From: swift at msad52.k12.me.us (Randall Swift) Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 09:55:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Teacher Tool Message-ID: Where can I get teacher tool?? Does this give you the ability to see who is logged in and can you boot them off? If not is there something out there will do this. Thanks Randy Swift Network Administrator Leavitt Area High School Turner, Maine 04282 (207)225-3533 swift at msad52.k12.me.us From hick518 at yahoo.com Mon May 2 13:52:57 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 06:52:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] IceWM, Gnome & Nautilus FRUSTRATIONS In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050502135257.35112.qmail@web41621.mail.yahoo.com> you should compare the /etc/passwd file on all your machines to see if the users have the same uid and gid on each machine. See this page for reference: http://publibn.boulder.ibm.com/doc_link/en_US/a_doc_lib/files/aixfiles/passwd.htm If they don't match up, I think you can manually edit /etc/passwd on one machine to make it match the others, but I might be wrong about that. Maybe somebody else can confirm. -Rob --- Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > No LDAP. Just exporting /home and mounting via > NFS. > > This used to work! What happened with FC3? > > I am guessing that when you first set this up you > imported the same list > of users in the same order on all of the machines, > so luckily your UID's > were all identical on each box. But now that they > have been upgraded > maybe they don't match anymore. > > Find a specific user and see if the user ID matches > on all of the > machines. If it doesn't there is the answer, if it > does, then on to the > next theory. Regardless I think it is somewhat > dangerous to run a > multi-server setup without some sort of central user > authentication/syncronization. From what I know > anyhow. > > Maybe someone out here has a quick tip on what to > move from the server > exporting /home to be sure UID's, GID's and password > match on all > servers. > > How about root? I would think the root user would > match on all servers. > Can root log and see icons? > > Did you verify that /home is indeed being mounted > correctly on > subsequent servers? > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From hick518 at yahoo.com Mon May 2 13:56:53 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 06:56:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Teacher Tool In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050502135653.35904.qmail@web41621.mail.yahoo.com> I believe the command "who" will tell you who is logged in, and you can use "pkill -u fred" to kill all processes belonging to user fred (this will effectively log him off). I don't know much about teacher tool. -Rob --- Randall Swift wrote: > Where can I get teacher tool?? Does this give you > the ability to see who > is logged in and can you boot them off? If not is > there something out > there will do this. Thanks > > Randy Swift > Network Administrator > Leavitt Area High School > Turner, Maine 04282 > (207)225-3533 > swift at msad52.k12.me.us > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon May 2 14:01:33 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 10:01:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] IceWM, Gnome & Nautilus FRUSTRATIONS In-Reply-To: <20050502132145.92885.qmail@web52904.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050502132145.92885.qmail@web52904.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, May 2, 2005 at 9:21 AM +0000 wrote: >One machine: "wLAB" serves as a classroom server AND >it exports /home out to the other classroom servers >(because it has a SCSI drive). The other classroom >servers "rLAB" and "mLAB" used to work just fine >mounting /home from "wLAB" when it was a Red Hat 8 >box. BUT after the fresh install of FC3, users can >log in, but they get NOTHING... only a blank desktop. >None of the apps work ... nothing. This is suspect to another issue....you may have bigger issues than simple desktop woes....but let's troubleshoot.... > > >No LDAP. Just exporting /home and mounting via NFS. >This used to work! What happened with FC3? Don't blame FC3....what you describe works fine...and no differently for the most part. On one of the classroom servers...if you run mount -av does everything check out? If you get any access errors....then this is problem #1. If not...let's proceed.... > Next question....if you log on as a user on the main server do you get a desktop there? Ok....so you have FC3 on all the servers? wLAB, rLAB, and mLAB? If not...that may be the first problem as the contents of /etc/skel on the FC3 machine will be quite different than the RH8 machines. Am I correct in assuming these are all K12LTSP machines serving to terminals? Have you actually populated the home directories? Are you using old data? Did you copy the home dirs to another server or whatever...do the upgrade and then move it back? If so you need to overwrite the stale data from /etc/skel in the users home dir (profile info). In other words when you created the users did the user creation script actually copy the contents of /etc/skel to the users home dirs? First....with all users logged off.....delete the contents of the /tmp directory. I've found that often stale entries in this directory can screw things up. Next...verify that home is indeed mounted on the other servers....on the main server copy something unique into a users home directory and then go to the other servers and see if you can see that unique item (filename). If not...then home from the main server is not mounted. If so....on the main server pick a user....we'll call him jdoe for the purpose of this example: cd /etc/skel cp -Rf * /home/jdoe cp -Rf .* /home/jdoe this copies all the hidden and non-hidden files in /etc/skel to the users home directory. Then...log on as that user at the server....see if you get a desktop....if so....move out to the terminals connected to that server....desktop? If so move out to a classroom server and so forth verifying as you go. Report your findings and we'll go from there. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon May 2 14:04:12 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 10:04:12 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Teacher Tool In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, May 2, 2005 at 9:55 AM +0000 wrote: >Where can I get teacher tool?? Does this give you the ability to see who >is logged in and can you boot them off? If not is there something out >there will do this. Thanks yes....install it with yum or apt....it's part of the K12LTSP packages now. #apt-get install teachertool David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon May 2 14:04:12 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 10:04:12 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Teacher Tool In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, May 2, 2005 at 9:55 AM +0000 wrote: >Where can I get teacher tool?? Does this give you the ability to see who >is logged in and can you boot them off? If not is there something out >there will do this. Thanks yes....install it with yum or apt....it's part of the K12LTSP packages now. #apt-get install teachertool David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon May 2 14:09:47 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 10:09:47 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] IceWM, Gnome & Nautilus FRUSTRATIONS In-Reply-To: <001501c54f1c$f89e9c30$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001501c54f1c$f89e9c30$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, May 2, 2005 at 9:43 AM +0000 wrote: >I am guessing that when you first set this up you imported the same list >of users in the same order on all of the machines, so luckily your UID's >were all identical on each box. But now that they have been upgraded >maybe they don't match anymore. > >Find a specific user and see if the user ID matches on all of the >machines. If it doesn't there is the answer, if it does, then on to the >next theory. Regardless I think it is somewhat dangerous to run a >multi-server setup without some sort of central user >authentication/syncronization. From what I know anyhow. I agree....it's possible, but not very clean. Assuming you could throw a gigabit card in the main server and possibly a couple in the other servers and connect them via gigabit....you could simply run Samba/LDAP (along with K12LTSP) on the main server and have all the home dirs live there as well as the users. Much cleaner and a LOT more efficient. Setting up Samba/LDAP is now a piece of cake....simply run the smbldap installer script and answer a few questions and you're in business. More info here.... http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/smbldap David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon May 2 14:09:47 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 10:09:47 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] IceWM, Gnome & Nautilus FRUSTRATIONS In-Reply-To: <001501c54f1c$f89e9c30$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001501c54f1c$f89e9c30$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, May 2, 2005 at 9:43 AM +0000 wrote: >I am guessing that when you first set this up you imported the same list >of users in the same order on all of the machines, so luckily your UID's >were all identical on each box. But now that they have been upgraded >maybe they don't match anymore. > >Find a specific user and see if the user ID matches on all of the >machines. If it doesn't there is the answer, if it does, then on to the >next theory. Regardless I think it is somewhat dangerous to run a >multi-server setup without some sort of central user >authentication/syncronization. From what I know anyhow. I agree....it's possible, but not very clean. Assuming you could throw a gigabit card in the main server and possibly a couple in the other servers and connect them via gigabit....you could simply run Samba/LDAP (along with K12LTSP) on the main server and have all the home dirs live there as well as the users. Much cleaner and a LOT more efficient. Setting up Samba/LDAP is now a piece of cake....simply run the smbldap installer script and answer a few questions and you're in business. More info here.... http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/smbldap David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From pfaffman at gmail.com Mon May 2 14:30:57 2005 From: pfaffman at gmail.com (Jay Pfaffman) Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 10:30:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] KDE task switcher botched Message-ID: <9326098005050207303b45ff98@mail.gmail.com> I'm running k12ltsp-release-4.0.1-1. I vaguely remember a KDE upgrade scrolling by at some point in the past, but only recently restarted X. Now alt-tab cycles through the windows rather than giving me the task-switcher that lists all of the tasks. Worse, it cycles through rather than letting me switch between the two most recently used windows. I remember having a problem with this witn 4.2 for a while, but I changed something & it started working. Oh, and alt-backspace isn't working either. Apparently my keyboard mapping got hosed too. Sigh. I'm not entirely wedded to KDE, but GNOME's xinerama support annoys me. I want new windows to open on the display where the mouse is & it doesn't do that. If someone has a clue how I can get that window list when I alt-tab and let me have focus-follows-mouse I'd be very grateful. If anyone's near Knoxville Tennessee and is interested in working with me to do some kind of study about K12LTSP, please contact me. I've got some money. -- Jay Pfaffman Asst Professor of Instructional Technology, U. TN, Knoxville Experimenting with gmail, please honor the Reply-To From pfaffman at gmail.com Mon May 2 14:50:48 2005 From: pfaffman at gmail.com (Jay Pfaffman) Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 10:50:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: KDE task switcher botched In-Reply-To: <9326098005050207303b45ff98@mail.gmail.com> References: <9326098005050207303b45ff98@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9326098005050207502d81d5ea@mail.gmail.com> Here's more data. Shift+Alt+tab brings up the window with the apps, but Alt-Tab just cycles through without giving me the task list window. >From /home/pfaffman/.kde/share/config/kdeglobals Walk Through Windows=default(Alt+Tab) Walk Through Windows (Reverse)=default(Alt+Shift+Tab) It would appear (to me) that the Right Thing should be happening with Alt+Tab. I suppose it could be a bug? On 5/2/05, Jay Pfaffman wrote: > I'm running k12ltsp-release-4.0.1-1. I vaguely remember a KDE upgrade > scrolling by at some point in the past, but only recently restarted X. > Now alt-tab cycles through the windows rather than giving me the > task-switcher that lists all of the tasks. Worse, it cycles through > rather than letting me switch between the two most recently used > windows. I remember having a problem with this witn 4.2 for a while, > but I changed something & it started working. > > Oh, and alt-backspace isn't working either. Apparently my keyboard > mapping got hosed too. Sigh. > > I'm not entirely wedded to KDE, but GNOME's xinerama support annoys > me. I want new windows to open on the display where the mouse is & it > doesn't do that. > > If someone has a clue how I can get that window list when I alt-tab > and let me have focus-follows-mouse I'd be very grateful. > > If anyone's near Knoxville Tennessee and is interested in working with > me to do some kind of study about K12LTSP, please contact me. I've > got some money. > > -- > Jay Pfaffman > Asst Professor of Instructional Technology, U. TN, Knoxville > Experimenting with gmail, please honor the Reply-To > -- Jay Pfaffman Asst Professor of Instructional Technology, U. TN, Knoxville Experimenting with gmail, please honor the Reply-To From mll at mtwp.net Mon May 2 14:54:46 2005 From: mll at mtwp.net (Mike Lichtenwalner) Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 10:54:46 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] A little evangelism Message-ID: <42763F36.2070800@mtwp.net> Just a note about a bit of LTSP evangelism... The Pennsylvania School Librarians Association (PSLA) 32nd Annual Conference was held last week, and for the first time in the history of the conference, participants had the opportunity to access their work email at an "Internet Cafe". Thanks to Jesse McDonnell (a PSLA board member and member of this list) for coming up with the idea for the Internet Cafe and for arranging all of the logistics. We offered the 600+ participants 10 original Apple iBooks booting from a PIII-933 running LTSP 4.2.1. Most participants had no idea they were using Linux (unless they looked at the fliers scattered on the tables and the CD's containing open source applications!), and they were grateful for this service to be available. Of course, we took every opportunity to explain that they were using 5 year-old laptops connected to a 3 year-old server running free software to achieve great performance! Thanks to everyone on this list for all you do! Mike _________________________________ Mike Lichtenwalner Technology Specialist Manheim Township School District Lancaster, PA From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Mon May 2 15:15:13 2005 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 11:15:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Good AMD 64 bit system recomendations? Message-ID: <1115046913.22554.19.camel@phoenix.hhp> I'm thinking about making my file backup server 64 bit. Any recommendations on processor models and motherboards? I will probably run Centos or RHEL 4.0. Henry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gary.frederick at jsoft.com Mon May 2 15:40:19 2005 From: gary.frederick at jsoft.com (Gary Frederick) Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 10:40:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] setting up a standalone lab with a wireless router In-Reply-To: <1114635448.26365.40.camel@server.byh.org> References: <1114605029.8975.59.camel@server.ltsp> <1114623231.24667.42.camel@server.byh.org> <1114628644.3499.43.camel@server.ltsp> <1114635448.26365.40.camel@server.byh.org> Message-ID: <1115048420.3335.206.camel@server.ltsp> I was able to try some things over the weekend and have the router working with a standalone k12ltsp server. I'll work with it and pass on anything I discover that seems worth passing on. Gary On Wed, 2005-04-27 at 22:57 +0200, Gustav J Kramer wrote: > Gary, > > I'm trying to envision your set up in order to figure out what's going > on but I'm getting lost somewhere. What is the difference in > configuration between: > > "The router works if I connect it to the DSL modem. The wireless > computers can see the server etc. (and everyone can see a smb share we > have on one of the machines)" > > and > > "I connect a Windows XP computer via wireless and it can see the outside > world when the outside world is plugged in but can not see the > server...It can!!! see another Windows XP computer on the same wireless > connection." > > If all you did was move the cable coming from the MODEM from the > Internet port on the router to eth1 on the Terminal Server then all that > should have happened is that you should have lost your internet access > from all machines as they would no longer be routed correctly (they > would still have the router as the gateway vice the terminal server). > Something is missing here! > > - gustav > > > On Wed, 2005-27-04 at 14:04 -0500, Gary Frederick wrote: > > Thanks for the help Gustav. Perhaps you gave me some of the answer. > > > > I'll say more. > > > > I have a k12ltsp server. It has two nics and the usual k12ltsp setup. > > One can connect to a DSL modem (eth1) and the other to the router > > (eth0). I have a wireless router (Netgear wgt624 v2). > > > > The router works if I connect it to the DSL modem. The wireless > > computers can see the server etc. (and everyone can see a smb share we > > have on one of the machines) > > > > > > I am testing the k12ltsp server with the internet side unplugged and the > > router connected to the other card (eth0). > > > > I connect a diskless client via ethernet cable to the router and it > > works. It can do the usual client thing. > > > > I connect a Windows XP computer via wireless and it can see the outside > > world when the outside world is plugged in but can not see the server. I > > tried pinging both the eth1 and eth0 address for the server and it can > > not see them. It can!!! see another Windows XP computer on the same > > wireless connection. > > > > If I take out the wireless card and connect the Windows XP computer via > > ethernet cable it can see the server but now can not see the other XP > > computer that is on wireless. > > > > Your comment "...on the router (which has DHCP disabled)" got me > > thinking. The router does NOT have DHCP disabled. I'll try disabling > > that tomorrow and see if it helps. > > > > SAMBA is an exercise for another day :-) I just want the wireless > > computers to be able to ping the router. > > > > ... > > > > > > ... > > > > I do not know a lot of system admin. I'm learning in my spare time, but > > it is slow. Now I guess I am learning more about how k12ltsp uses DNS > > and DHCP :-) > > > > Gary > > > > > > On Wed, 2005-04-27 at 19:33 +0200, Gustav J Kramer wrote: > > > Gary, > > > > > > There are others on the list far more capable but I will try and get you > > > started until they can chime in: > > > > > > I'm assuming that when you say the clients cant see the server you mean > > > they can't connect via a windows (smb) share not that they cant ping the > > > server? > > > > > > For the wireless XP clients they will have to belong to the same domain > > > or workgroup as the server. Given the size of your lab I would guess > > > Workgroup. You can check it by right clicking on "My Computer", then > > > left clicking on "Properties" and again on the "Computer Name" tab. > > > > > > You can confirm the Domain/Workgroup (and that the SAMBA servers are > > > running) from within WEBMIN. Click on the "Servers" button, then "Samba > > > Windows File Sharing",(from here you can see whether the servers are > > > running) then on "Windows Networking". > > > > > > With respect to the wired clients, If they are thin clients and they > > > boot to a graphic log on prompt then they are connected, the server > > > appears as a local device. If they are standalone linux boxes then they > > > will only "see" the server if you connect via NFS or through a Windows > > > share, again on the same workgroup or domain. If the wired clients are > > > windows clients, then like the wireless clients, you will have to > > > confirm that they belong to the same workgroup or domain. > > > > > > I'm a bit confused when you say that you connect the server to the > > > internet. Is the server configured with two NICs, one wired to the > > > internet and the other to one of the four LAN ports on the router (which > > > has DHCP disabled)? > > > > > > > > > I hope this helps, > > > > > > - gustav > > > > > > On Wed, 2005-27-04 at 07:30 -0500, Gary Frederick wrote: > > > > Howdy > > > > > > > > I am trying to set up a standalone lab, one that is not connected to the > > > > internet. It has a k12ltsp server and a Netgear wgt624 v2 wireless > > > > router and 4 clients. > > > > > > > > I have two clients connected to the router via ethernet cable and two > > > > connecting via wireless. The wireless clients are running XP. > > > > > > > > The two clients connected to the router via ethernet cable can talk to > > > > each other. > > > > > > > > The two connected via wireless can talk to each other. > > > > > > > > The wired clients can not see the wireless clients and vice versa. > > > > > > > > None of the clients can see the server. > > > > > > > > and when I connect the server to the internet, all 4 clients can see the > > > > outside world (but still will not talk to the server or across the > > > > wire/wireless connection. > > > > > > > > What am I doing wrong? > > > > > > > > Gary > > > > > > > > This is a recent k12ltsp setup. The XP clients are current. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > > For more info see > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From cwt137 at yahoo.com Mon May 2 15:48:29 2005 From: cwt137 at yahoo.com (Chris Thomas) Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 08:48:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] RAID5 so slow? In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050502154829.92134.qmail@web30314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Raid5 not only stripes the data across multiple drives like Raid0 but, Raid5 also calculates a checksum on the data and puts that on the drive too. This is so that when a drive is lost, the data is safe and with the checksum data, you can put in a new drive and restore the lost info. With Raid0, when you loose a drive, you loose the data for good. What makes Raid 5 so slow is that it takes a lot of cpu power to calculate the checksum on the fly. I assume you are doing software raid 5, which makes it even slower. I would get a pci raid controler that has hardware raid support (not all pci raid cards are hardware based raid controllers). This will make Raid 5 much faster. But it will never be as fast as Raid0. Chris --- Mella wrote: > Hi! > > I test 2 similar computers today. Almost similar > except SCSI controllers > and kernels. > I found RAID5 2x slower than disks separately in > other computer. Is it > normal or I have some misconfigutations in Intel > controller or default > FC3 kernel? > > Computer 1- Intel HG2 MB, DualXeon 2,8GHz, Intel > RAID U320 add-on > controller with 3 disks RAID5 array. > > array (sda) 3x73GB Atlas 10K3 Kernel > 2.6.11-1.14_FC3smp #1 SMP > > [root at ts ~]# hdparm -t /dev/sda > /dev/sda: Timing buffered disk reads: 82 MB in > 3.02 seconds = 27.18 > MB/sec > > Computer 2 - Intel VB2 DualXeon 2,4GHz, Adaptec > U160. > Disk (sda) 36GB Atlas 10K4 Kernel 2.4.30-1.smp.dma > #1 SMP (self compiled) > > [root at mail root]# hdparm -t /dev/sda > /dev/sda: Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in > 0.95 seconds = 67.37 > MB/sec > ==== > Why faster disk and controller give slower > performance data with RAID? > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Mon May 2 16:18:23 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 11:18:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux version of Hyperterminal In-Reply-To: References: <427486FF.9090502@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1115050702.8284.7.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2005-05-02 at 08:13, Doug Simpson wrote: > But if you are connecting them by a serial cable, minicom should work and > it comes with most linux distributions. Kermit is also good for serial connections. It's uglier than minicom but very scriptable and good for repeated work. The scripts are also easy to use over telnet sessions or convert back and forth by changing the connect method. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Mon May 2 16:26:33 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 11:26:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] IceWM, Gnome & Nautilus FRUSTRATIONS In-Reply-To: <20050502132145.92885.qmail@web52904.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050502132145.92885.qmail@web52904.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1115051193.8284.14.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2005-05-02 at 08:21, richard ingalls wrote: > One machine: "wLAB" serves as a classroom server AND > it exports /home out to the other classroom servers > (because it has a SCSI drive). The other classroom > servers "rLAB" and "mLAB" used to work just fine > mounting /home from "wLAB" when it was a Red Hat 8 > box. BUT after the fresh install of FC3, users can > log in, but they get NOTHING... only a blank desktop. > None of the apps work ... nothing. > > No LDAP. Just exporting /home and mounting via NFS. > This used to work! What happened with FC3? What happened to your users? The uid numbers must match between the server exporting /home and the one(s) mounting it. You can make that happen by copying /etc/passwd, /etc/shadow, /etc/group, and /etc/gshadow from the server with their homes to the others, or by setting up NIS or LDAP network authentication. If you are using local password files on each box and they don't exactly match you'll get the symptoms you are seeing. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From gumprechtm at msln.net Mon May 2 16:41:57 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 12:41:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Good AMD 64 bit system recomendations? In-Reply-To: <1115046913.22554.19.camel@phoenix.hhp> References: <1115046913.22554.19.camel@phoenix.hhp> Message-ID: <42765855.7000206@msln.net> It's not AMD, but my dell rep gives me good deals on power edge 800 servers. The one I did last week I put centos 4 x86_64 on and it runs great. The bios raid is intel so the raid is incompatible. But the new ones are software anyways, so linux could raid it for you. I ordered mine with 2 250gb sata drives and disconnected one to use as a spare incase of failure. Centos 4 runs with no problems. I installed BackupPC onto it and it has been doing fine. Next week I'm going to look into boxbackup that someone on this list suggested for secure, over the internet, backup of my backupPC's. Mark Henry Burroughs wrote: > I'm thinking about making my file backup server 64 bit. Any > recommendations on processor models and motherboards? I will probably > run Centos or RHEL 4.0. > > Henry > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > From aslansreturn at yahoo.com Mon May 2 16:48:02 2005 From: aslansreturn at yahoo.com (richard ingalls) Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 09:48:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] IceWM, Gnome & Nautilus FRUSTRATIONS In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050502164802.1137.qmail@web52901.mail.yahoo.com> OK, well there's a new one: gshadow. Before (when it was RH8, I didn't copy that file over to the other servers)... BUT, now I'm trying to mount /home using webmin and I get this error message: Failed to retrieve NFS exports from 207.160.224.226 : rpc mount export: RPC: Unable to receive; errno = Connection refused Maybe there is no NFS server running What is going on? All of this just used to work before, no problems. Now it is the computer network from Hell! Microsoft is starting to look much more friendly all of a sudden. --- Les Mikesell wrote: > On Mon, 2005-05-02 at 08:21, richard ingalls wrote: > > One machine: "wLAB" serves as a classroom server > AND > > it exports /home out to the other classroom > servers > > (because it has a SCSI drive). The other > classroom > > servers "rLAB" and "mLAB" used to work just fine > > mounting /home from "wLAB" when it was a Red Hat 8 > > box. BUT after the fresh install of FC3, users > can > > log in, but they get NOTHING... only a blank > desktop. > > None of the apps work ... nothing. > > > > No LDAP. Just exporting /home and mounting via > NFS. > > This used to work! What happened with FC3? > > What happened to your users? The uid numbers must > match > between the server exporting /home and the one(s) > mounting > it. You can make that happen by copying > /etc/passwd, /etc/shadow, > /etc/group, and /etc/gshadow from the server with > their homes > to the others, or by setting up NIS or LDAP network > authentication. > If you are using local password files on each box > and they don't > exactly match you'll get the symptoms you are > seeing. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From bklinux at verizon.net Mon May 2 17:28:34 2005 From: bklinux at verizon.net (Byron Kapali) Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 07:28:34 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux version of Hyperterminal In-Reply-To: References: <427486FF.9090502@verizon.net> Message-ID: <42766342.9080302@verizon.net> Thanks for all of your replies. I will try out minicom first and see how it goes. Will let you all know how it goes from there.... ...bk Doug Simpson wrote: >Isn't it just terminal software? > >There is minicom. . . > >But if the computers are already connected with IP, they should be able to >telnet to the routers just the same. . . > >(I know telnet is old and insecure, but I figured if students were going >to be connecting to them, then it was for a class, and those routers would >not be connected to the world. . .) > >But if you are connecting them by a serial cable, minicom should work and >it comes with most linux distributions. > > >Doug Simpson >Technology Specialist >DeQueen Public Schools >DeQueen, AR 71832 >simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us >Tux for President! > >On Sat, 30 Apr 2005, Byron Kapali wrote: > > > >>Does anyone know of a good program that is similar to Hyperterminal? My >>students need to access routers for labs and since I've changed over to >>Ubuntu on their workstations I didn't plan on a hyperterminal type of >>app not being there. Any suggestions? >> >>...byron >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From les at futuresource.com Mon May 2 17:32:10 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 12:32:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] IceWM, Gnome & Nautilus FRUSTRATIONS In-Reply-To: <20050502164802.1137.qmail@web52901.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050502164802.1137.qmail@web52901.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1115055129.11139.7.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2005-05-02 at 11:48, richard ingalls wrote: > OK, well there's a new one: gshadow. Before (when it > was RH8, I didn't copy that file over to the other > servers)... BUT, now I'm trying to mount /home using > webmin and I get this error message: > > Failed to retrieve NFS exports from 207.160.224.226 : > > rpc mount export: RPC: Unable to receive; errno = > Connection refused > > Maybe there is no NFS server running > > What is going on? All of this just used to work > before, no problems. Now it is the computer network > from Hell! Did you enable firewalling on your nfs server? Sounds like nfs isn't running (service nfs restart) or your firewall is blocking it. If nfs is running, try going to system settings/security level and disable the firewall and selinux to see if that fixes things. > Microsoft is starting to look much more > friendly all of a sudden. Microsoft has plenty of way to screw things up too. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jim at winonacotter.org Mon May 2 18:00:41 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 13:00:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] IceWM, Gnome & Nautilus FRUSTRATIONS In-Reply-To: <1115055129.11139.7.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <002001c54f40$da9b9de0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Did you enable firewalling on your nfs server? Sounds > like nfs isn't running (service nfs restart) or your > firewall is blocking it. If nfs is running, try going > to system settings/security level and disable the firewall > and selinux to see if that fixes things. I have been staying away from that fancy new "Enable SE Linux" checkbox since I don't know much about it. I assume this could be the firewall that is blocking things. But look at the bright side, now that you have found a problem maybe life is closer to getting back to normal. Stay positive, at least you haven't been hacked or taken down by viruses. I haven't had a product made by Billy G yet that has been run for more than 6 months without battling one of these. And try exporting NFS shares and syncing Active Directory users across your PDC and multiple terminal services boxes, I am sure we'll see you back here in a couple of very frustrating and expensive months :-) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Mon May 2 19:20:26 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 12:20:26 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] A little evangelism In-Reply-To: <42763F36.2070800@mtwp.net> References: <42763F36.2070800@mtwp.net> Message-ID: Mike: Should we think of putting a few iBooks at the NECC email garden?! Steve On 5/2/05, Mike Lichtenwalner wrote: > Just a note about a bit of LTSP evangelism... > > The Pennsylvania School Librarians Association (PSLA) 32nd Annual > Conference was held last week, and for the first time in the history of > the conference, participants had the opportunity to access their work > email at an "Internet Cafe". Thanks to Jesse McDonnell (a PSLA board > member and member of this list) for coming up with the idea for the > Internet Cafe and for arranging all of the logistics. > > We offered the 600+ participants 10 original Apple iBooks booting from a > PIII-933 running LTSP 4.2.1. Most participants had no idea they were > using Linux (unless they looked at the fliers scattered on the tables > and the CD's containing open source applications!), and they were > grateful for this service to be available. Of course, we took every > opportunity to explain that they were using 5 year-old laptops connected > to a 3 year-old server running free software to achieve great performance! > > Thanks to everyone on this list for all you do! > > Mike > _________________________________ > Mike Lichtenwalner > Technology Specialist > Manheim Township School District > Lancaster, PA > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct From mll at mtwp.net Mon May 2 19:27:00 2005 From: mll at mtwp.net (Mike Lichtenwalner) Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 15:27:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] A little evangelism In-Reply-To: References: <42763F36.2070800@mtwp.net> Message-ID: <42767F04.4060009@mtwp.net> Steve Hargadon wrote: > Mike: > > Should we think of putting a few iBooks at the NECC email garden?! > > Steve > Sure! I'll be riding the train daily to NECC - I can bring a handful of iBooks along for the ride. We'll just need an altered dhcpd.conf file to handle the PPC's. Mike From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon May 2 19:55:08 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 15:55:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] IceWM, Gnome & Nautilus FRUSTRATIONS In-Reply-To: <002001c54f40$da9b9de0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <002001c54f40$da9b9de0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, May 02, 2005 at 2:00 PM +0000 wrote: >I have been staying away from that fancy new "Enable SE Linux" checkbox >since I don't know much about it. I assume this could be the firewall >that is blocking things. Yes....turn all firewalls and SELinux OFF....more headaches than it's worth...assuming your building is protected by firewall. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon May 2 19:55:08 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 15:55:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] IceWM, Gnome & Nautilus FRUSTRATIONS In-Reply-To: <002001c54f40$da9b9de0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <002001c54f40$da9b9de0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, May 02, 2005 at 2:00 PM +0000 wrote: >I have been staying away from that fancy new "Enable SE Linux" checkbox >since I don't know much about it. I assume this could be the firewall >that is blocking things. Yes....turn all firewalls and SELinux OFF....more headaches than it's worth...assuming your building is protected by firewall. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Mon May 2 19:53:19 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 12:53:19 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] A little evangelism In-Reply-To: <42767F04.4060009@mtwp.net> References: <42763F36.2070800@mtwp.net> <42767F04.4060009@mtwp.net> Message-ID: I think the newest updates to k12ltsp have that .conf file with ppc already in there. OK, let's be sure to connect on that! On 5/2/05, Mike Lichtenwalner wrote: > Steve Hargadon wrote: > > Mike: > > > > Should we think of putting a few iBooks at the NECC email garden?! > > > > Steve > > > > Sure! I'll be riding the train daily to NECC - I can bring a handful of > iBooks along for the ride. We'll just need an altered dhcpd.conf file to > handle the PPC's. > > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon May 2 20:01:37 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 16:01:37 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] IceWM, Gnome & Nautilus FRUSTRATIONS In-Reply-To: <20050502164802.1137.qmail@web52901.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050502164802.1137.qmail@web52901.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, May 02, 2005 at 12:48 PM +0000 wrote: >Failed to retrieve NFS exports from 207.160.224.226 : > >rpc mount export: RPC: Unable to receive; errno = >Connection refused > >Maybe there is no NFS server running You either have it firewalled off or you don't have it in the hosts.allow file. I had this error when I set it my server this year, but it was easy to work through...don't get discouraged....judging from this error....you're almost there. For future reference...when setting up FC from now on....turn all firewalls off along with SELinux....during the installation...and then go from there...you can turn it on selectively...later. PS...I mentioned in my other post about hosts.allow....I checked and my hosts.allow file on my Samba/LDAP server is empty...yours on the main server might need some tweaking if it is also a K12LTSP server. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From patmo98 at yahoo.com Mon May 2 20:35:23 2005 From: patmo98 at yahoo.com (Patrick Mohr) Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 13:35:23 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Firefox and proxies on WinXP Message-ID: <42768F0B.6060206@yahoo.com> What is a good way to set all of the users on a WinXP box to have Firefox set to "Auto detect proxy"? The proxy is the only way to connect to the internet, so I don't need transparent proxying. Thanks for the help. From SelzlerB at esuhsd.org Mon May 2 21:37:05 2005 From: SelzlerB at esuhsd.org (Selzler, Bruce) Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 14:37:05 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Accessing TeacherTool Message-ID: <0F900389C3BCBF4D98226694DBE963F20B1BFAE3@ECMAIL1.esuhsd.org> Hello Team, I've been following the thread on TeacherTool. And I've tried to find some sort of documentation on it, but can find none. The question is, how do I access it? - Sez From wescott at sc.rr.com Tue May 3 00:04:36 2005 From: wescott at sc.rr.com (Michael C Wescott) Date: 02 May 2005 20:04:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] RAID5 so slow? In-Reply-To: <427606C9.1080209@pm.ee> References: <20050428152632.8191C739E3@hormel.redhat.com> <427606C9.1080209@pm.ee> Message-ID: <1115078675.906.55.camel@eriadne> On Mon, 2005-05-02 at 06:54, Mella wrote: > Computer 1- Intel HG2 MB, DualXeon 2,8GHz, Intel RAID U320 add-on > controller with 3 disks RAID5 array. > > array (sda) 3x73GB Atlas 10K3 Kernel 2.6.11-1.14_FC3smp #1 SMP > > [root at ts ~]# hdparm -t /dev/sda > /dev/sda: Timing buffered disk reads: 82 MB in 3.02 seconds = 27.18 > MB/sec > > Computer 2 - Intel VB2 DualXeon 2,4GHz, Adaptec U160. > Disk (sda) 36GB Atlas 10K4 Kernel 2.4.30-1.smp.dma #1 SMP (self compiled) > > [root at mail root]# hdparm -t /dev/sda > /dev/sda: Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 0.95 seconds = 67.37 > MB/sec > ==== > Why faster disk and controller give slower performance data with RAID? I'm guessing a little here since it's not clear how the RAID is implemented. The test you ran basically measures the response time for an I/O request. This is a reasonable test but it's not the whole story. The test you ran simply asks for data and waits for it to be delivered; then it asks for some more and waits. It is quite possible that the RAID controller being interposed actually makes this into a chained process: 1. hdparam issues a read 2. read request transferred to RAID controller 3. raid controller looks at request and issues read to a disk 4. disk responds, transferring data to RAID controller 5. RAID controller transfers data to kernel 6. kernel tells hdparam the I/O is done You use a shorter chain without the RAID. But what you are not seeing is how well each disk subsystem behaves under multi-threaded load. It would not be surprising to find that the RAID controller will handle 2x to 3x the load of a single disk when there are multiple processes reading data. There IS a performance penalty for doing write operations on a RAID-5 but this is not so much in the CPU power required to calculate parity but in the extra I/O operations needed to complete the operation. A small read is but one I/O (a read) but a small write requires 4 I/O's. First the data to be overwritten and the parity blocks are read (2 reads). The new parity is calculated from the old parity, the old data, and the new data all XORed together, Then the new data and new parity are written (2 writes). From aslansreturn at yahoo.com Tue May 3 01:50:52 2005 From: aslansreturn at yahoo.com (richard ingalls) Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 18:50:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] How SHOULD I set up an ALL FC3 LTSP network? Message-ID: <20050503015052.98026.qmail@web52901.mail.yahoo.com> This is my last attempt at making FC3 work in my building before banning it completely and cursing the day I switched from a nice, functional RH8 network. Oh how the skies seemed bluer and the grass greener back in the day... Can someone tell me how to do a "default" install with FC3, using the following criteria? Please, someone tell me how to set up my K12LTSP network using only FC3 on the servers. I have four classrooms (currently, with 2 more planned) to install into. Each classroom will have it's own server. One classroom has a server with SCSI drive - I'd like it to be the one that also serves /home out to the other servers via NFS. All the other classroom servers need to mount /home from this box via NFS. I'd *like* to be conservative with my bandwidth and use IceWM (but I've never done without Nautilus because of the desktop icons and file manager). Students like to change their desktops, but I probably DON'T *need* to have desktop icons. So, which "session" should I allow? Which window/desktop manager should I use? OR, should I opt for ease & simplicity and only allow GNOME? Remember, this is being served out to all the other classroom servers, too. I'd like to have sound running on all the clients (using Flash too, for starfall.com). But, aside from the return of Jesus, I'm not sure this will ever work! (Sorry for my skepticism, I know there are people that say they've got sound working, but I live in Missouri "Show Me!") Of course, when Jesus returns we won't use computers any more, so I won't care about sound on my clients then. One of the main reasons I wanted to use FC3 was the numerous reports of sound working on the clients with FC3. But I'll gladly give up sound just to have a functional LTSP network that mounts /home properly. Can anyone help me do this from scratch? I've attempted for the last three weeks now to make it work to no avail. Let's pretend that I'll just do completely fresh installs, no upgrades at all. I'll then add users via webmin. Then copy over their documents from my backup of /home. This ought to work, right? This sounds like it ought to be simple, right? Someone please hold my hand through this and document what I must do to make this happen. Thanks for all your patience. This is my last attempt before doing an "fdisk /mbr" and going back to RH8. And starting the whole thing from scratch. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From les at futuresource.com Tue May 3 03:14:58 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 22:14:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] How SHOULD I set up an ALL FC3 LTSP network? In-Reply-To: <20050503015052.98026.qmail@web52901.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050503015052.98026.qmail@web52901.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1115090098.23479.6.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2005-05-02 at 20:50, richard ingalls wrote: > Can someone tell me how to do a "default" install with > FC3, using the following criteria? I don't think you need to re-install - you just need to find out what is blocking nfs. Did you try turning off firewalling and selinux yet (from the main menu, "system settings", "security level")? You may need to do that on the client machines mounting /home too. If that doesn't fix it, do: "showmount -e" on the nfs server and "showmount -e servername" from a client. They should show approximately the same thing or give a helpful error message. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From hoffmann at fidnet.com Tue May 3 03:30:42 2005 From: hoffmann at fidnet.com (hoffmann at fidnet.com) Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 22:30:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice vs. Microsoft Office Message-ID: <02be01c54f90$7cb7ea80$1002a8c0@KAREN> I would like to try a test classroom with K12LTSP, but I want the students to be able to open their files on Windows machines (to add the 'bells and whistles' to presentations, etc.). I've been told that this will really slow down the server. Is this true? I know the students (and teachers) won't be happy with OpenOffice by itself. Thanks, Karen Hoffmann From sudev at mantraonline.com Tue May 3 04:01:29 2005 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 09:31:29 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Good AMD 64 bit system recomendations? In-Reply-To: <1115046913.22554.19.camel@phoenix.hhp> References: <1115046913.22554.19.camel@phoenix.hhp> Message-ID: <1115092889.10075.1.camel@server.ltsp> On Mon, 2005-05-02 at 11:15 -0400, Henry Burroughs wrote: > I'm thinking about making my file backup server 64 bit. Any > recommendations on processor models and motherboards? I will probably > run Centos or RHEL 4.0. Have had good working with AMD64 MSI motherboards. But watch out that you buy one with Via SATA controller since Sil/Ati drivers are not available. Alternate (that also has been used by me) is to plug in a Via PCI SATA card and get going. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From jon.spriggs at gmail.com Tue May 3 08:17:28 2005 From: jon.spriggs at gmail.com (Jon Spriggs) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 09:17:28 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Hotchalk.com? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <96df2e0b05050301177bd3eae7@mail.gmail.com> If you look at the screen shots, the server appears to be running Windows, or at the very least, a theme for Linux that has a Windows flag and an MSN Messenger icon! Jon On 5/2/05, Ryan Collins wrote: > Is anyone using Hotchalk.com? They provide free wireless linux > laptops. The catch is coporate sponsorship, but their website is a > little short on the details. > > -- > Ryan Collins > Technology Coordinator - Kenton City Schools > http://www.kentoncityschools.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Jon "Four Star Gun" Spriggs AKA Jon "The Nice Guy" Spriggs From hick518 at yahoo.com Tue May 3 10:05:25 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 03:05:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] IceWM, Gnome & Nautilus FRUSTRATIONS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050503100525.1062.qmail@web41606.mail.yahoo.com> If hosts.deny is empty, then it does not matter what is in hosts.allow. For troubleshooting, comment out every line in hosts.deny. It may be empty already, or it may have a single line that says ALL: ALL (this means "deny ALL services to ALL hosts, unless they are specifically allowed in hosts.allow") -Rob --- David Trask wrote: > "Support list for opensource software in schools." > on > Monday, May 02, 2005 at 12:48 PM +0000 wrote: > >Failed to retrieve NFS exports from 207.160.224.226 > : > > > >rpc mount export: RPC: Unable to receive; errno = > >Connection refused > > > >Maybe there is no NFS server running > > You either have it firewalled off or you don't have > it in the hosts.allow > file. I had this error when I set it my server this > year, but it was easy > to work through...don't get discouraged....judging > from this > error....you're almost there. For future > reference...when setting up FC > from now on....turn all firewalls off along with > SELinux....during the > installation...and then go from there...you can turn > it on > selectively...later. PS...I mentioned in my other > post about > hosts.allow....I checked and my hosts.allow file on > my Samba/LDAP server > is empty...yours on the main server might need some > tweaking if it is also > a K12LTSP server. > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From hick518 at yahoo.com Tue May 3 10:25:33 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 03:25:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice vs. Microsoft Office In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050503102533.32996.qmail@web41601.mail.yahoo.com> I'm not sure if I understand your question. If you're asking for the K12LTSP system to have access to files that were saved in Windows, this can be done as long as those files are saved on a network-accessible drive. You will use Samba to "mount" that network drive and read the files. If you're asking about actually running MS Office on the K12LTSP system, I believe this can be done too. You will need either Wine (free of charge) or Crossover Office (costs money). These programs allow you to run certain Windows-based programs in Linux. If you decide to try Wine, try using Winetools to set it up. Winetools helps you configure Wine and has a little menu item that helps you install MS Office. However, you really ought to try to get everybody using OpenOffice. It works for me, though I'm not a big user of "bells and whistles". What's great about it is that it is freely available for Linux, Windows, and Mac, so when you create a file in OpenOffice it can be read by basically anybody who owns a modern computer. It also can read and save Microsoft formats, if you need that. It does this perfectly most of the time, but I have seen some excessively-formatted Word docs that when opened in OpenOffice, the formatting was not exactly the same. So I just re-read your question and I think maybe you are interested in having the students save their Linux work and be able to open it later with Windows programs. This can be done, too. Use Samba to "export" the directory in which the students save their work. It will be accessible over the network by Windows machines. If the files are in a format that your Windows software can read, then they will open. (Note that you can use OpenOffice and save in *.doc, *.xls, and *.ppt formats). If clipart is all you're really looking for, I suppose you could use MS clipart in an OpenOffice document, presentation, etc. You just have to find it. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong. -Rob --- hoffmann at fidnet.com wrote: > I would like to try a test classroom with K12LTSP, > but I want the students > to be able to open their files on Windows machines > (to add the 'bells and > whistles' to presentations, etc.). I've been told > that this will really > slow down the server. Is this true? I know the > students (and teachers) > won't be happy with OpenOffice by itself. > > Thanks, > Karen Hoffmann > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From aslansreturn at yahoo.com Tue May 3 12:42:14 2005 From: aslansreturn at yahoo.com (richard ingalls) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 05:42:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice vs. Microsoft Office In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050503124214.72751.qmail@web52903.mail.yahoo.com> OpenOffice has most of the "bells and whistles" that MS Office has. I made the switch at my school 2 years ago and the students can make excellent "powerpoint" presentations without powerpoint! In fact at the end of the year graduation ceremony the students are in charge of creating a presentation - they use OpenOffice. What I love about it is that it's freely available to anyone for Windows, Mac and Linux. AND it truly is quite a powerful office application. --- hoffmann at fidnet.com wrote: > I would like to try a test classroom with K12LTSP, > but I want the students > to be able to open their files on Windows machines > (to add the 'bells and > whistles' to presentations, etc.). I've been told > that this will really > slow down the server. Is this true? I know the > students (and teachers) > won't be happy with OpenOffice by itself. > > Thanks, > Karen Hoffmann > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tue May 3 13:15:07 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 08:15:07 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice vs. Microsoft Office In-Reply-To: <20050503102533.32996.qmail@web41601.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050503102533.32996.qmail@web41601.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: My daughter, a 10th grader here, does 90% of her homework at home (reports and like that) on OpenOffice and saves them in M$ format for turning in at school. Funny thing, too. . . Her computer at home has winders98 and the winders version of OpenOffice on it, but she has a VNC session icon that runs a thin-client terminal from FC3 and she chooses to run the OpenOffice from there instead of natively from her W98 version. She says it don't crash as much in the middle of her work, etc. . . Here at work, every user has a home directory that is available to them as an H: drive under winders and /home/ under FC3 Terminal Services. The H: drives are served out via samba to W98, WXP and W2K workstations seamlessly and if the user chooses to use terminal services, they have their own /home which is exactly the same files as their winders H: drive. The differences between OOo and M$O are slight, and if you wish the files to be readable by M$, just set the deafult document type in OOo to MS Word, MS Excel, and MS Powerpoint and then they will always be transferrable. $.02. . . and worth both pennies! Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Tue, 3 May 2005, Rob Owens wrote: > I'm not sure if I understand your question. > > If you're asking for the K12LTSP system to have access > to files that were saved in Windows, this can be done > as long as those files are saved on a > network-accessible drive. You will use Samba to > "mount" that network drive and read the files. > > If you're asking about actually running MS Office on > the K12LTSP system, I believe this can be done too. > You will need either Wine (free of charge) or > Crossover Office (costs money). These programs allow > you to run certain Windows-based programs in Linux. > If you decide to try Wine, try using Winetools to set > it up. Winetools helps you configure Wine and has a > little menu item that helps you install MS Office. > > However, you really ought to try to get everybody > using OpenOffice. It works for me, though I'm not a > big user of "bells and whistles". What's great about > it is that it is freely available for Linux, Windows, > and Mac, so when you create a file in OpenOffice it > can be read by basically anybody who owns a modern > computer. It also can read and save Microsoft > formats, if you need that. It does this perfectly > most of the time, but I have seen some > excessively-formatted Word docs that when opened in > OpenOffice, the formatting was not exactly the same. > > So I just re-read your question and I think maybe you > are interested in having the students save their Linux > work and be able to open it later with Windows > programs. This can be done, too. Use Samba to > "export" the directory in which the students save > their work. It will be accessible over the network by > Windows machines. If the files are in a format that > your Windows software can read, then they will open. > (Note that you can use OpenOffice and save in *.doc, > *.xls, and *.ppt formats). > > If clipart is all you're really looking for, I suppose > you could use MS clipart in an OpenOffice document, > presentation, etc. You just have to find it. > Somebody correct me if I'm wrong. > > -Rob > > --- hoffmann at fidnet.com wrote: > > I would like to try a test classroom with K12LTSP, > > but I want the students > > to be able to open their files on Windows machines > > (to add the 'bells and > > whistles' to presentations, etc.). I've been told > > that this will really > > slow down the server. Is this true? I know the > > students (and teachers) > > won't be happy with OpenOffice by itself. > > > > Thanks, > > Karen Hoffmann > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue May 3 13:26:23 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 09:26:23 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] How SHOULD I set up an ALL FC3 LTSP network? In-Reply-To: <20050503015052.98026.qmail@web52901.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050503015052.98026.qmail@web52901.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, May 2, 2005 at 9:50 PM +0000 wrote: >This is my last attempt at making FC3 work in my >building before banning it completely and cursing the >day I switched from a nice, functional RH8 network. >Oh how the skies seemed bluer and the grass greener >back in the day... > >Can someone tell me how to do a "default" install with >FC3, using the following criteria? > >Please, someone tell me how to set up my K12LTSP >network using only FC3 on the servers. I have four >classrooms (currently, with 2 more planned) to install >into. Each classroom will have it's own server. One >classroom has a server with SCSI drive - I'd like it >to be the one that also serves /home out to the other >servers via NFS. All the other classroom servers need Question one.....do you have gigabit on these servers? > > >I'd *like* to be conservative with my bandwidth and >use IceWM (but I've never done without Nautilus >because of the desktop icons and file manager). >Students like to change their desktops, but I probably >DON'T *need* to have desktop icons. So, which >"session" should I allow? Which window/desktop >manager should I use? OR, should I opt for ease & >simplicity and only allow GNOME? Remember, this is >being served out to all the other classroom servers, >too. Use IceWM....you won't lose Nautilus as IceWM uses Gnome for it's windows....in fact to change the background and so forth in IceWM....you simply right-click and use the same background mgr just like Gnome. IceWM also keeps the Gnome desktop icons....the menu changes, but that's for the better because you can use something like icemc or my fave....icecc to have a GUI for editing the IceWM menus to show ONLY what you want the kids to see....no more of the "server stuff"...etc. like in the default Gnome menus. Editing the menu is very simple and it's actually a text file so there's no XML and stuff to learn. > > >I'd like to have sound running on all the clients >(using Flash too, for starfall.com). But, aside from >the return of Jesus, I'm not sure this will ever work! > (Sorry for my skepticism, I know there are people >that say they've got sound working, but I live in >Missouri "Show Me!") Of course, when Jesus returns we >won't use computers any more, so I won't care about >sound on my clients then. It works fine! I use it....and I use Starfall.com everyday with my kindergarten kids. (you are very pessimistic) It either works out of the box or you may need to make a simple tweak to lts.conf and change SOUND_DAEMON = "nasd" You install Flash by clicking an icon in the "Install Additional Programs" on root's desktop > > >One of the main reasons I wanted to use FC3 was the >numerous reports of sound working on the clients with >FC3. But I'll gladly give up sound just to have a >functional LTSP network that mounts /home properly. When setting up FC3....don't enable any firewalls....AT ALL. Disable them...they are enabled by default. > > >Can anyone help me do this from scratch? I've >attempted for the last three weeks now to make it work >to no avail. Let's pretend that I'll just do >completely fresh installs, no upgrades at all. I'll >then add users via webmin. Then copy over their >documents from my backup of /home. Are all the machines on the same subnet or are they on different isolated networks with each machine (server) serving it's own little LAN. If so I'm assuming all the machines have two NIC's...one internal and one external. Set up K12LTSP 4.2 on each machine. Make sure that each machine is configured so that dhcp is working on the corrent interface to serve the clients. Now...on the master server....create the users (on all servers). If Webmin allows you to specify the UID....it would be a good idea to do so...that way you can guarantee they are the same on all servers. Delete /home on the other two servers. Now....create and entry on each of the two servers in fstab similar to this: 10.0.0.234:/home /home nfs defaults,rsize=8192,wsize=8192 0 0 Use your own IP address. On the master server you need to export /home to the other two....make an entry in /etc/exports similar to this: /home 10.0.15.253(rw,sync,insecure_locks,no_root_squash) Use the IP addresses of the other two servers....you'll need an entry for each different server. To manually export at this point use exportfs -av Now....the only caveat I can think of is whether or not the system will allow you to connect from the external interface....LTSP makes entries in the hosts.allow file...if you are unable to mount /home with the next command (ie: if you get the error you got last time) you may want to go into /etc/hosts.allow and comment out the active lines to allow all connections and see if that works. I have a Samba/LDAP server doing essentially what you're doing...and my hosts.allow and hosts.deny are both empty. Also double-check hosts.deny and make sure everything is OK in there....mine is empty thus allowing all. The command to mount is: (on the other 2 servers) mount -av If you can now see home directories on the classroom servers....then it works. Remember you deleted the other /home dirs so they weren't there. Now....if all that is working (and don't give up....the problems you described earlier were simple to fix, but you gave up....you missed something...something small that you probably did in RH8, but forgot you had done. We can help....just make sure to tell us exactly what you see for errors. Assuming it works....now let's go to sound. There are a bunch of different ways to get sound working....first...try it as it may be working out of the box. Sound generally works....it's a matter of sound working with Flash. I use TuxMath to test sound as it's obnoxiously loud. If sound works there....I go to PBSkids.org (after installing flash) and test a game I always go to Arthur and use the "alien" game. If sound works there...you're all set...if not....what I do....in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf Change SOUND_DEAMON = nasd (it may be the default, but I cannot remember. Also if you're using any ISA sound cards you'll need to uncomment the line that has ### For ISA sound cards, you have to specify the module to use: SMODULE_01 = "sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1" Also make sure that SOUND = Y Given all this....sound should work too. You can check the wiki for more ways to do it. As for IceWM...give it a try...it works much better than Gnome or KDE as it loads a LOT faster. AND it's VERY configurable. If you want to use ICEWM as the default session you can check the wiki http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Forcing%20IceWM%20as%20the%20default%20under%20GDM%20in%20Fedora for how to remove the other choices from the users and have ICEWM be the only choice. To edit the menus....I believe icemc is include with K12LTSP now....simply type icemc in the command line....when it loads you'll get an error...disregard...it simply means you have to go get the file....open the file /usr/share/icewm/menu and edit away! The program is pretty easy to figure out. You can also edit that same file using a text editor...it too is easy to figure out. You can also edit the toolbar as well....found in the same directory....I believe you can edit it with icemc. Also if you look at the icewm preferences file you can turn off some things like the "pager" and so forth. Once you start using IceWM you'll never go back. Whatever you do....don't give up! Check bach here often....many of us monitor this list during the daytime while we're at school....like me...so I can help you almost in "realtime" so check back constantly for assistance. You can do this. And remember you couldn't stick with RH8 forever as you would have missed a lot. The newer versions of K12LTSP solved a lot of previous issues and the newer programs rock! > > >This ought to work, right? This sounds like it ought >to be simple, right? Someone please hold my hand >through this and document what I must do to make this >happen. > >Thanks for all your patience. This is my last attempt >before doing an "fdisk /mbr" and going back to RH8. >And starting the whole thing from scratch. That wouldn't be wise. > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue May 3 13:28:33 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 09:28:33 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] A little evangelism In-Reply-To: References: <42763F36.2070800@mtwp.net> < > < > <42767F04.4060009@mtwp.net> Message-ID: Steve Hargadon on Monday, May 2, 2005 at 3:53 PM +0000 wrote: >I think the newest updates to k12ltsp have that .conf file with ppc >already in there. > >OK, let's be sure to connect on that! You're right....it works out of the box. I boot my ibook simply by holidng down the "N" key David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From les at futuresource.com Tue May 3 13:42:48 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 08:42:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Good AMD 64 bit system recomendations? In-Reply-To: <1115092889.10075.1.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1115046913.22554.19.camel@phoenix.hhp> <1115092889.10075.1.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <1115127767.25305.1.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2005-05-02 at 23:01, Sudev Barar wrote: > Have had good working with AMD64 MSI motherboards. But watch out that > you buy one with Via SATA controller since Sil/Ati drivers are not > available. Alternate (that also has been used by me) is to plug in a Via > PCI SATA card and get going. Do you happen to know if FC3 or Centos supports hot-plugging SATA drives? -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From hick518 at yahoo.com Tue May 3 13:52:39 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 06:52:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] How SHOULD I set up an ALL FC3 LTSP network? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050503135239.85943.qmail@web41609.mail.yahoo.com> One correction to David's excellent instructions: When nfs mounting /home, you need to make sure that the local machine has an empty directory called /home and that it has the proper permissions. This directory is called the mount point and it needs to exist before you can mount something to it. So when David said to delete /home, you probably should instead delete just the contents of /home. Then you are free to use /home as your mount point. -Rob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue May 3 13:26:23 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 09:26:23 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] How SHOULD I set up an ALL FC3 LTSP network? In-Reply-To: <20050503015052.98026.qmail@web52901.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050503015052.98026.qmail@web52901.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, May 2, 2005 at 9:50 PM +0000 wrote: >This is my last attempt at making FC3 work in my >building before banning it completely and cursing the >day I switched from a nice, functional RH8 network. >Oh how the skies seemed bluer and the grass greener >back in the day... > >Can someone tell me how to do a "default" install with >FC3, using the following criteria? > >Please, someone tell me how to set up my K12LTSP >network using only FC3 on the servers. I have four >classrooms (currently, with 2 more planned) to install >into. Each classroom will have it's own server. One >classroom has a server with SCSI drive - I'd like it >to be the one that also serves /home out to the other >servers via NFS. All the other classroom servers need Question one.....do you have gigabit on these servers? > > >I'd *like* to be conservative with my bandwidth and >use IceWM (but I've never done without Nautilus >because of the desktop icons and file manager). >Students like to change their desktops, but I probably >DON'T *need* to have desktop icons. So, which >"session" should I allow? Which window/desktop >manager should I use? OR, should I opt for ease & >simplicity and only allow GNOME? Remember, this is >being served out to all the other classroom servers, >too. Use IceWM....you won't lose Nautilus as IceWM uses Gnome for it's windows....in fact to change the background and so forth in IceWM....you simply right-click and use the same background mgr just like Gnome. IceWM also keeps the Gnome desktop icons....the menu changes, but that's for the better because you can use something like icemc or my fave....icecc to have a GUI for editing the IceWM menus to show ONLY what you want the kids to see....no more of the "server stuff"...etc. like in the default Gnome menus. Editing the menu is very simple and it's actually a text file so there's no XML and stuff to learn. > > >I'd like to have sound running on all the clients >(using Flash too, for starfall.com). But, aside from >the return of Jesus, I'm not sure this will ever work! > (Sorry for my skepticism, I know there are people >that say they've got sound working, but I live in >Missouri "Show Me!") Of course, when Jesus returns we >won't use computers any more, so I won't care about >sound on my clients then. It works fine! I use it....and I use Starfall.com everyday with my kindergarten kids. (you are very pessimistic) It either works out of the box or you may need to make a simple tweak to lts.conf and change SOUND_DAEMON = "nasd" You install Flash by clicking an icon in the "Install Additional Programs" on root's desktop > > >One of the main reasons I wanted to use FC3 was the >numerous reports of sound working on the clients with >FC3. But I'll gladly give up sound just to have a >functional LTSP network that mounts /home properly. When setting up FC3....don't enable any firewalls....AT ALL. Disable them...they are enabled by default. > > >Can anyone help me do this from scratch? I've >attempted for the last three weeks now to make it work >to no avail. Let's pretend that I'll just do >completely fresh installs, no upgrades at all. I'll >then add users via webmin. Then copy over their >documents from my backup of /home. Are all the machines on the same subnet or are they on different isolated networks with each machine (server) serving it's own little LAN. If so I'm assuming all the machines have two NIC's...one internal and one external. Set up K12LTSP 4.2 on each machine. Make sure that each machine is configured so that dhcp is working on the corrent interface to serve the clients. Now...on the master server....create the users (on all servers). If Webmin allows you to specify the UID....it would be a good idea to do so...that way you can guarantee they are the same on all servers. Delete /home on the other two servers. Now....create and entry on each of the two servers in fstab similar to this: 10.0.0.234:/home /home nfs defaults,rsize=8192,wsize=8192 0 0 Use your own IP address. On the master server you need to export /home to the other two....make an entry in /etc/exports similar to this: /home 10.0.15.253(rw,sync,insecure_locks,no_root_squash) Use the IP addresses of the other two servers....you'll need an entry for each different server. To manually export at this point use exportfs -av Now....the only caveat I can think of is whether or not the system will allow you to connect from the external interface....LTSP makes entries in the hosts.allow file...if you are unable to mount /home with the next command (ie: if you get the error you got last time) you may want to go into /etc/hosts.allow and comment out the active lines to allow all connections and see if that works. I have a Samba/LDAP server doing essentially what you're doing...and my hosts.allow and hosts.deny are both empty. Also double-check hosts.deny and make sure everything is OK in there....mine is empty thus allowing all. The command to mount is: (on the other 2 servers) mount -av If you can now see home directories on the classroom servers....then it works. Remember you deleted the other /home dirs so they weren't there. Now....if all that is working (and don't give up....the problems you described earlier were simple to fix, but you gave up....you missed something...something small that you probably did in RH8, but forgot you had done. We can help....just make sure to tell us exactly what you see for errors. Assuming it works....now let's go to sound. There are a bunch of different ways to get sound working....first...try it as it may be working out of the box. Sound generally works....it's a matter of sound working with Flash. I use TuxMath to test sound as it's obnoxiously loud. If sound works there....I go to PBSkids.org (after installing flash) and test a game I always go to Arthur and use the "alien" game. If sound works there...you're all set...if not....what I do....in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf Change SOUND_DEAMON = nasd (it may be the default, but I cannot remember. Also if you're using any ISA sound cards you'll need to uncomment the line that has ### For ISA sound cards, you have to specify the module to use: SMODULE_01 = "sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1" Also make sure that SOUND = Y Given all this....sound should work too. You can check the wiki for more ways to do it. As for IceWM...give it a try...it works much better than Gnome or KDE as it loads a LOT faster. AND it's VERY configurable. If you want to use ICEWM as the default session you can check the wiki http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Forcing%20IceWM%20as%20the%20default%20under%20GDM%20in%20Fedora for how to remove the other choices from the users and have ICEWM be the only choice. To edit the menus....I believe icemc is include with K12LTSP now....simply type icemc in the command line....when it loads you'll get an error...disregard...it simply means you have to go get the file....open the file /usr/share/icewm/menu and edit away! The program is pretty easy to figure out. You can also edit that same file using a text editor...it too is easy to figure out. You can also edit the toolbar as well....found in the same directory....I believe you can edit it with icemc. Also if you look at the icewm preferences file you can turn off some things like the "pager" and so forth. Once you start using IceWM you'll never go back. Whatever you do....don't give up! Check bach here often....many of us monitor this list during the daytime while we're at school....like me...so I can help you almost in "realtime" so check back constantly for assistance. You can do this. And remember you couldn't stick with RH8 forever as you would have missed a lot. The newer versions of K12LTSP solved a lot of previous issues and the newer programs rock! > > >This ought to work, right? This sounds like it ought >to be simple, right? Someone please hold my hand >through this and document what I must do to make this >happen. > >Thanks for all your patience. This is my last attempt >before doing an "fdisk /mbr" and going back to RH8. >And starting the whole thing from scratch. That wouldn't be wise. > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From clay at bridgeportisd.net Tue May 3 14:17:37 2005 From: clay at bridgeportisd.net (Walker, Clay) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 09:17:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice vs. Microsoft Office Message-ID: <6146AF43B9A098498022FC21CD2738A4018C0727@mail.bridgeport.bridgeportisd.net> and as most of you know, the kids can and will adapt to anything. It's the adults we struggle with. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Doug Simpson Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 8:15 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] OpenOffice vs. Microsoft Office My daughter, a 10th grader here, does 90% of her homework at home (reports and like that) on OpenOffice and saves them in M$ format for turning in at school. Funny thing, too. . . Her computer at home has winders98 and the winders version of OpenOffice on it, but she has a VNC session icon that runs a thin-client terminal from FC3 and she chooses to run the OpenOffice from there instead of natively from her W98 version. She says it don't crash as much in the middle of her work, etc. . . Here at work, every user has a home directory that is available to them as an H: drive under winders and /home/ under FC3 Terminal Services. The H: drives are served out via samba to W98, WXP and W2K workstations seamlessly and if the user chooses to use terminal services, they have their own /home which is exactly the same files as their winders H: drive. The differences between OOo and M$O are slight, and if you wish the files to be readable by M$, just set the deafult document type in OOo to MS Word, MS Excel, and MS Powerpoint and then they will always be transferrable. $.02. . . and worth both pennies! Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Tue, 3 May 2005, Rob Owens wrote: > I'm not sure if I understand your question. > > If you're asking for the K12LTSP system to have access to files that > were saved in Windows, this can be done as long as those files are > saved on a network-accessible drive. You will use Samba to "mount" > that network drive and read the files. > > If you're asking about actually running MS Office on the K12LTSP > system, I believe this can be done too. > You will need either Wine (free of charge) or Crossover Office (costs > money). These programs allow you to run certain Windows-based > programs in Linux. > If you decide to try Wine, try using Winetools to set it up. > Winetools helps you configure Wine and has a little menu item that > helps you install MS Office. > > However, you really ought to try to get everybody using OpenOffice. > It works for me, though I'm not a big user of "bells and whistles". > What's great about it is that it is freely available for Linux, > Windows, and Mac, so when you create a file in OpenOffice it can be > read by basically anybody who owns a modern computer. It also can > read and save Microsoft formats, if you need that. It does this > perfectly most of the time, but I have seen some excessively-formatted > Word docs that when opened in OpenOffice, the formatting was not > exactly the same. > > So I just re-read your question and I think maybe you are interested > in having the students save their Linux work and be able to open it > later with Windows programs. This can be done, too. Use Samba to > "export" the directory in which the students save their work. It will > be accessible over the network by Windows machines. If the files are > in a format that your Windows software can read, then they will open. > (Note that you can use OpenOffice and save in *.doc, *.xls, and *.ppt > formats). > > If clipart is all you're really looking for, I suppose you could use > MS clipart in an OpenOffice document, presentation, etc. You just > have to find it. > Somebody correct me if I'm wrong. > > -Rob > > --- hoffmann at fidnet.com wrote: > > I would like to try a test classroom with K12LTSP, but I want the > > students to be able to open their files on Windows machines (to add > > the 'bells and whistles' to presentations, etc.). I've been told > > that this will really slow down the server. Is this true? I know > > the students (and teachers) won't be happy with OpenOffice by > > itself. > > > > Thanks, > > Karen Hoffmann > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From swift at msad52.k12.me.us Tue May 3 14:44:27 2005 From: swift at msad52.k12.me.us (Randall Swift) Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 10:44:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Accessing TeacherTool In-Reply-To: <0F900389C3BCBF4D98226694DBE963F20B1BFAE3@ECMAIL1.esuhsd.org> References: <0F900389C3BCBF4D98226694DBE963F20B1BFAE3@ECMAIL1.esuhsd.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, May 02, 2005 at 5:37 PM +0000 wrote: >Hello Team, > >I've been following the thread on TeacherTool. And I've tried to find >some sort of documentation on it, but can find none. The question is, >how do I access it? > >- Sez > > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see At a terminal prompt type: TeacherTool (notice the capital T's) and it should run. Randy Swift Network Administrator Leavitt Area High School Turner, Maine 04282 (207)225-3533 swift at msad52.k12.me.us From jwhite at shaker.k12.nh.us Tue May 3 14:39:51 2005 From: jwhite at shaker.k12.nh.us (Jon White) Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 10:39:51 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Firefox and proxies on WinXP In-Reply-To: <42768F0B.6060206@yahoo.com> References: <42768F0B.6060206@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1115131191.3671.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> I used this information from this site: http://alain.knaff.lu/howto/MozillaCustomization/index.html to create mozilla.cfg files with the lockpref() options to "hard code" our proxy information into all of our Windows2K/XP computers. I believe it also allows you to choose the auto detect option as well, though I wasn't looking for it when I setup files, so I can't say for sure. If you need more information than what is there, let me know and I'll try to find my notes on the process and post them. On Mon, 2005-05-02 at 16:35, Patrick Mohr wrote: > What is a good way to set all of the users on a WinXP box to have > Firefox set to "Auto detect proxy"? The proxy is the only way to > connect to the internet, so I don't need transparent proxying. Thanks > for the help. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Jonathan S. White Computer Technician Shaker Regional School District jwhite at shaker.k12.nh.us (603) 267-9223 From schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us Tue May 3 13:44:02 2005 From: schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us (Jimmy Schwankl) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 09:44:02 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] RE:OSX Roaming Profile Instructions-Auth Linux SAMBA/LDAPServer Message-ID: Dear Jim, Sorry to get back to you so late on this. But when I opened the directions you posted (in OpenOffice 1.1.2 on OS X) the document was empty. I'm sure it's related to the version of OO I'm using, but I wondered if I could trouble you once more to please re-post, or just send to me, the document in another format. (PDF, RTF, TXT, etc) Thanks, Jimmy Schwankl **This message was sent from the Chatham County Schools Mail Server** *****All e-mail correspondence to and from this address is subject to the North Carolina Public Records Law, which may result in monitoring and disclosure to third parties, including law enforcement.***** From rfreidel at computergeex.com Tue May 3 14:41:24 2005 From: rfreidel at computergeex.com (Ron Freidel) Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 14:41:24 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Accessing TeacherTool Message-ID: <20050503.Epa.77243500@mail.computergeex.com> It works via an ssh session too, discovered that by accident, works rather well. -- Ron Freidel Sys Admin Computer Geex, Inc. (406) 491-3378 From mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us Tue May 3 15:04:35 2005 From: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us (Mark Sarria) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 08:04:35 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] SATA hot-swap hardware recommendations In-Reply-To: <1115040564.22554.10.camel@phoenix.hhp> Message-ID: <200505031504.j43F4eqU021013@mx1.redhat.com> Try this product, http://www.addonics.com/ -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Henry Burroughs Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 6:29 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] SATA hot-swap hardware recommendations I'm looking to build a file backup server, and I want to use SATA and have a hot swap drive internal drive enclosure. Can anyone recommend good hardware to do this with? ie: a motherboard or controller and/or enclosure that will work properly under Linux and allow me to remove a drive live (the drive will be an off-site copy of the data). Henry Burroughs Technology Director Hilton Head Preparatory School www.hhprep.org _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From henryhartley at westat.com Tue May 3 15:18:30 2005 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 11:18:30 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Smoothwall and Dansguardian Message-ID: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D1C1FF8@MAILBE2.westat.com> I know this is off topic but I know how much collected knowledge there is on this list and thought there's a chance someone here will know what (probably obvious thing) I'm missing. Or at least know what question to ask to help me find it. At home I've got a Smoothwall Express 2.0 firewall that also has Dansguardian (2.6.1) on it. I had it working as a transparent proxy until a while ago when I had some trouble with one of the network ports. I took the firewall down and got that fixed but now, when I start the machine up again, I cannot seem to get filtering working again and I'm not sure why. When I run: /etc/rc.d/init.d/dansguardian status I get: Parent DansGuardian pid:2112 so it seems to be running. I've changed the DG loglevel to 3 but /var/log/dansguardian/access.log is still 0 bytes long. Actually, I deleted that file and had a bit of trouble because dansguardian couldn't create it (because of permissions). I created a file and made "nobody" the owner. At that point, dansguardian stopped complaining but it still doesn't seem to be doing anything. I know I'm missing something perfectly obvious but cannot think what. Suggestions would be much appreciated. -- Henry From jon.spriggs at gmail.com Tue May 3 15:32:07 2005 From: jon.spriggs at gmail.com (Jon Spriggs) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 16:32:07 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Smoothwall and Dansguardian In-Reply-To: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D1C1FF8@MAILBE2.westat.com> References: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D1C1FF8@MAILBE2.westat.com> Message-ID: <96df2e0b05050308326046893d@mail.gmail.com> Which account actually runs the Dansguardian script? Have you given that account write permissions to that file? Run the following command to check and see if actually is running ps aux |grep -i dans If it's not running, then how about giving rw perms to all users with regards to that file initially, and seeing where it fails. Hope that helps :) Jon On 5/3/05, Henry Hartley wrote: > > I know this is off topic but I know how much collected knowledge there > is on this list and thought there's a chance someone here will know > what (probably obvious thing) I'm missing. Or at least know what > question to ask to help me find it. > > At home I've got a Smoothwall Express 2.0 firewall that also has > Dansguardian (2.6.1) on it. I had it working as a transparent proxy > until a while ago when I had some trouble with one of the network ports. > I took the firewall down and got that fixed but now, when I start the > machine up again, I cannot seem to get filtering working again and I'm > not sure why. When I run: > > /etc/rc.d/init.d/dansguardian status > > I get: > > Parent DansGuardian pid:2112 > > so it seems to be running. I've changed the DG loglevel to 3 but > /var/log/dansguardian/access.log is still 0 bytes long. Actually, I > deleted that file and had a bit of trouble because dansguardian couldn't > create it (because of permissions). I created a file and made "nobody" > the owner. At that point, dansguardian stopped complaining but it still > doesn't seem to be doing anything. > > I know I'm missing something perfectly obvious but cannot think what. > Suggestions would be much appreciated. > > -- > Henry > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Jon "Four Star Gun" Spriggs AKA Jon "The Nice Guy" Spriggs From mellax at pm.ee Tue May 3 15:35:07 2005 From: mellax at pm.ee (Mella) Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 18:35:07 +0300 Subject: [K12OSN] RAID5 so slow? In-Reply-To: <20050502160021.E8F4273F07@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050502160021.E8F4273F07@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <42779A2B.4060605@pm.ee> I have Intel hardware RAID controller with SCSI disks. Even more, it is 64bit Intel? RAID Controller SRCZCR. ( http://www.intel.com/design/servers/buildingblocks/srczcr/index.htm ) Data measured against Adaptec 32bit SCSI controller. From: Chris Thomas >What makes Raid 5 so slow is that it takes a lot of >cpu power to calculate the checksum on the fly. I >assume you are doing software raid 5, which makes it >even slower. I would get a pci raid controler that has >hardware raid support (not all pci raid cards are >hardware based raid controllers). This will make Raid >5 much faster. But it will never be as fast as Raid0. From clarka1 at k12tn.net Tue May 3 15:49:23 2005 From: clarka1 at k12tn.net (Alex Clark) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 10:49:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Low end dual processor vs. high end single Message-ID: I've read various places that to run a 30 terminal ltsp lab on would need a dual processor (minimum 1Ghz each) and minimum 1 Gb of RAM. That said, what if you were to use a single 2.8 Ghz or higher processor? Is this a possibility? Alex From henryhartley at westat.com Tue May 3 16:01:55 2005 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 12:01:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Smoothwall and Dansguardian Message-ID: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D1C1FFA@MAILBE2.westat.com> On: Tue, 03 May 2005 at 11:32 AM, Jon Spriggs said: >> >> On 5/3/05, Henry Hartley wrote: >> > >> > When I run: >> > /etc/rc.d/init.d/dansguardian status >> > I get: >> > Parent DansGuardian pid:2112 >> > >> > so it seems to be running. I've changed the DG loglevel to 3 but >> > /var/log/dansguardian/access.log is still 0 bytes long. Actually, >> > I deleted that file and had a bit of trouble because dansguardian >> > couldn't create it (because of permissions). I created a file and >> > made "nobody" the owner. At that point, dansguardian stopped >> > complaining but it still doesn't seem to be doing anything. >> >> Which account actually runs the Dansguardian script? Have you given >> that account write permissions to that file? >> >> Run the following command to check and see if actually is running >> >> ps aux |grep -i dans >> >> If it's not running, then how about giving rw perms to all users >> with regards to that file initially, and seeing where it fails. It seems to be running as nobody. That's what's weird. [root at hhh-gateway root]# ps aux | grep -i dans nobody 4444 0.0 29.9 19828 18560 ? S May01 0:00 /usr/sbin/dansgua nobody 4445 0.0 29.9 19832 18560 ? S May01 0:00 /usr/sbin/dansgua nobody 4446 0.0 30.0 20808 18564 ? S May01 0:00 /usr/sbin/dansgua root 29946 0.0 0.7 1424 456 ttyp1 S 11:29 0:00 grep -i dans [root at hhh-gateway dansguardian]# ls -la total 8 drwxr-xr-x 2 nobody root 4096 May 1 17:42 ./ drwxr-xr-x 7 root root 4096 May 1 17:54 ../ -rw-r--r-- 1 nobody root 0 May 1 17:42 access.log It's running but not logging anything. Obviously (or apparently, anyway) it's being bypassed but everything (that I've checked) implies that it shouldn't be being bypassed. -- Henry From jon.spriggs at gmail.com Tue May 3 16:05:01 2005 From: jon.spriggs at gmail.com (Jon Spriggs) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 17:05:01 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Smoothwall and Dansguardian In-Reply-To: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D1C1FFA@MAILBE2.westat.com> References: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D1C1FFA@MAILBE2.westat.com> Message-ID: <96df2e0b050503090572c92653@mail.gmail.com> On 5/3/05, Henry Hartley wrote: > On: Tue, 03 May 2005 at 11:32 AM, Jon Spriggs said: > >> > >> On 5/3/05, Henry Hartley wrote: > >> > > >> > When I run: > >> > /etc/rc.d/init.d/dansguardian status > >> > I get: > >> > Parent DansGuardian pid:2112 > >> > > >> > so it seems to be running. I've changed the DG loglevel to 3 but > >> > /var/log/dansguardian/access.log is still 0 bytes long. Actually, > >> > I deleted that file and had a bit of trouble because dansguardian > >> > couldn't create it (because of permissions). I created a file and > >> > made "nobody" the owner. At that point, dansguardian stopped > >> > complaining but it still doesn't seem to be doing anything. > >> > >> Which account actually runs the Dansguardian script? Have you given > >> that account write permissions to that file? > >> > >> Run the following command to check and see if actually is running > >> > >> ps aux |grep -i dans > >> > >> If it's not running, then how about giving rw perms to all users > >> with regards to that file initially, and seeing where it fails. > > It seems to be running as nobody. That's what's weird. > > [root at hhh-gateway root]# ps aux | grep -i dans > nobody 4444 0.0 29.9 19828 18560 ? S May01 0:00 /usr/sbin/dansgua > nobody 4445 0.0 29.9 19832 18560 ? S May01 0:00 /usr/sbin/dansgua > nobody 4446 0.0 30.0 20808 18564 ? S May01 0:00 /usr/sbin/dansgua > root 29946 0.0 0.7 1424 456 ttyp1 S 11:29 0:00 grep -i dans > > [root at hhh-gateway dansguardian]# ls -la > total 8 > drwxr-xr-x 2 nobody root 4096 May 1 17:42 ./ > drwxr-xr-x 7 root root 4096 May 1 17:54 ../ > -rw-r--r-- 1 nobody root 0 May 1 17:42 access.log > > It's running but not logging anything. Obviously (or apparently, > anyway) it's being bypassed but everything (that I've checked) implies > that it shouldn't be being bypassed. > > -- > Henry > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > OK, chmod 666 the log file, and see if anything is written then... -- Jon "Four Star Gun" Spriggs AKA Jon "The Nice Guy" Spriggs From henryhartley at westat.com Tue May 3 16:21:06 2005 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 12:21:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Smoothwall and Dansguardian Message-ID: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D1C1FFD@MAILBE2.westat.com> On: Tue, 03 May 2005 at 12:05 PM, Jon Spriggs said: >> On 5/3/05, Henry Hartley wrote: >> > >> > It's running but not logging anything. Obviously (or apparently, >> > anyway) it's being bypassed but everything (that I've checked) >> > implies that it shouldn't be being bypassed. >> >> OK, chmod 666 the log file, and see if anything is written then... Nope, that didn't help. So it isn't a permissions issue on the log file. Also, it's not actually blocking any sites. So, it's likely not even being called. In the past it just worked. I've tried turning proxying off and back on but in either state it doesn't seem to be working. The Smoothwall admin page shows it as either on or off as set. -- Henry From Linux_Man at comcast.net Tue May 3 17:43:30 2005 From: Linux_Man at comcast.net (Brian Beck) Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 13:43:30 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Low end dual processor vs. high end single In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4277B842.8080400@comcast.net> Alex Clark wrote: > I've read various places that to run a 30 terminal ltsp lab on would > need a dual processor (minimum 1Ghz each) and minimum 1 Gb of RAM. > That said, what if you were to use a single 2.8 Ghz or higher > processor? Is this a possibility? > > Alex For a 30-client lab, you'll need 2GB RAM minimum, As far as processors... I'd say that a 2.8Ghz P4/Xeon with Hyperthreading should be able to handle it, although true SMP would still be preferrable. Raw speed isn't what's important; the ability to run multiple processes is. I run a 32-client lab on Dual Opteron 240s - 1.4Ghz apiece. The CPUs have never been overloaded. And 2GB of RAM has done fine, but the clients are running IceWM, not Gnome/KDE. From nbs at sonic.net Tue May 3 17:47:18 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 10:47:18 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice vs. Microsoft Office In-Reply-To: <20050503124214.72751.qmail@web52903.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050503124214.72751.qmail@web52903.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050503174718.GD4691@sonic.net> On Tue, May 03, 2005 at 05:42:14AM -0700, richard ingalls wrote: > What I love about [OpenOffice.org] is that it's freely > available to anyone for Windows, Mac and Linux. ... Which means students, parents, teachers, etc. can use it at home, be compatible with what the school uses, and with each other. -bill! Side thought: people put PDFs up on their websites and say: "Download Acrobat!" Why not do the same with things like OpenOffice.org? ;^) From nbs at sonic.net Tue May 3 17:50:04 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 10:50:04 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice vs. Microsoft Office In-Reply-To: <20050503102533.32996.qmail@web41601.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050503102533.32996.qmail@web41601.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050503175004.GE4691@sonic.net> On Tue, May 03, 2005 at 03:25:33AM -0700, Rob Owens wrote: > It also can read and save Microsoft > formats, if you need that. It does this perfectly > most of the time, but I have seen some > excessively-formatted Word docs that when opened in > OpenOffice, the formatting was not exactly the same. Heh, and don't let a little issue like that be an argument against OpenOffice.org. From what I've heard, some versions of MS Word have difficulty opening files from some other versions. (If anyone's got a data point to actually back UP my claim, that'd be helpful ;^) *hint!*) > If clipart is all you're really looking for, I suppose > you could use MS clipart in an OpenOffice document, > presentation, etc. You just have to find it. > Somebody correct me if I'm wrong. I haven't played with it much, don't know how extensive it is compared to any clipart that might come with MSWord or MSOffice, nor have I played with it under OpenOffice.org, but there's also the OpenClipArt.org collection. :^) -bill! From hick518 at yahoo.com Tue May 3 18:10:45 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 11:10:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice vs. Microsoft Office In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050503181045.80964.qmail@web41625.mail.yahoo.com> --- Bill Kendrick wrote: > > It also can read and save Microsoft > > formats, if you need that. It does this perfectly > > most of the time, but I have seen some > > excessively-formatted Word docs that when opened > in > > OpenOffice, the formatting was not exactly the > same. > > Heh, and don't let a little issue like that be an > argument > against OpenOffice.org. From what I've heard, some > versions of > MS Word have difficulty opening files from some > other versions. > (If anyone's got a data point to actually back UP my > claim, that'd > be helpful ;^) *hint!*) Bill, You are right about MS Office self-compatibility. I can remember doing my resume on one computer with Word 97. I am so great and have so much experience that I needed to widen the margins to fit it all. (Please read that with your sense of humor turned on). I emailed the resume to myself and tried to print it out on another computer with Word 97 and the margins went back to their defaults, totally screwing my formatting. This happenned every time -- it was not because of forgetting to save my changes. And take note that this was with the same version of Word on both computers. -Rob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jsmith at breakthroughministries.com Tue May 3 18:12:53 2005 From: jsmith at breakthroughministries.com (John A. Smith) Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 13:12:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] is disk 5 needed Message-ID: <20050403131253.jsmith@breakthroughministries.com.12> I was just wondering if someone could fill me in on the contents of disc 5 for K12LTSP 4.2.1?? I'm hoping to do an install today and wondering if I need to grab that .iso as well. thanks, john smith -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- John A. Smith Director of Administration Breakthrough Urban Ministries 5243 N. Ashland Ave. Chicago, IL 60640-2001 PH: 773.989.4382, x230 FAX: 773.989.7329 http://www.breakthroughministries.com From tlegge at rogers.com Tue May 3 18:13:58 2005 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 14:13:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] NIS? Message-ID: <20050503181358.3433.qmail@web88212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi I am sure this has been discussed but here are my requirements. I have at least one fat client Linux PC that will be used for Scanning. I would like to be able to 1) use the same user id and password as on the K12LTSP clients 2) I would like to mount the K12LTSP home directory for the user who signs on. I am assuming some combination of NIS and something else is the answer to my problem but a few pointers would be appreciated. While I am not uninterested in LDAP, the LDAPSamba solution discussed on the list seems like overkill for my issue. Any thoughts/pointers? Tim From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Tue May 3 18:42:44 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 11:42:44 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LSTP Demos in Iowa, Missouri, and Illinois Message-ID: I'm going to be taking a family vacation at the end of this month in Iowa, Missouri, and Illinois. I would be available to speak to any user groups or schools about K12LTSP, and will also have equipment for demonstrating how it works. I have about an hour presentation that describes K12LTSP and LTSP which I have given several times. If this would help anyone, please contact me directly and I'd be glad to arrange. -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.technologyrescue.com From henryhartley at westat.com Tue May 3 18:57:50 2005 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 14:57:50 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice vs. Microsoft Office Message-ID: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D1C2003@MAILBE2.westat.com> On: Tue, 03 May 2005 at 6:26 AM, Rob Owens said: >> >> (Note that you can use OpenOffice and save in *.doc, >> *.xls, and *.ppt formats). One annoyance is that if you set the default to save in some format other than the OO format (i.e. if you say you want text files saved in Microsoft Word format) then every time you open a file, edit it and hit "save", you have to answer that stupid question about saving in a format that might not preserve all your formatting. It defaults to "no" which will then bring up a save-as dialog. All this in spite of the fact that I've never had any problems with formatting not being preserved. Anyway, I really hate that. If there were a setting that let me say something like "I know I might lose formatting but stop bugging me!" I'd really appreciate it. Alternatively, if it said something like, "you included a in your document and the formatting will be lost or modified if you save in that format" then at least I'd know where the problem is. But you get the same stupid message even with a simple document with nothing but straight text. -- Henry From chan at sacredsf.org Tue May 3 19:08:39 2005 From: chan at sacredsf.org (Hoover Chan) Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 12:08:39 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice vs. Microsoft Office In-Reply-To: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D1C2003@MAILBE2.westat.com> References: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D1C2003@MAILBE2.westat.com> Message-ID: <4277CC37.1030602@sacredsf.org> re: _really_hating_ something in Open Office The beauty of the whole system is that if you're motivated and fed up enough about a feature or lack of feature, you have access to the source code so that you can re-write that section of the program... Can't do that with proprietary commercial software. -- -------------------------------------------------- Hoover Chan chan at sacredsf.org Technology Network Coordinator Schools of the Sacred Heart 2222 Broadway St. San Francisco, CA 94115 From schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us Tue May 3 19:30:10 2005 From: schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us (Jimmy Schwankl) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 15:30:10 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] RE:OSX Roaming Profile Instructions-Auth Linux SAMBA/LDAPServer Message-ID: <59824A5D-230F-4E61-8479-E0DF28DECF48@chatham.k12.nc.us> Dear Jim, Your directions worked fine. I can now login on an OS X box and it uses /home from the K12LTSP/FC3 server. (David and Matt, thank you both also, as it's the samba/ldap script that got me the first half of the way) Thank you! Peace, Jimmy Schwankl +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Always proofread carefully to see if you any words out. **This message was sent from the Chatham County Schools Mail Server** *****All e-mail correspondence to and from this address is subject to the North Carolina Public Records Law, which may result in monitoring and disclosure to third parties, including law enforcement.***** From mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us Tue May 3 19:58:54 2005 From: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us (Mark Sarria) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 12:58:54 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] New Version K12LTSP Message-ID: <200505031958.j43JwiNp017140@mx1.redhat.com> Is there a new version of K12LTSP, I recall something being posted about updating to the new version of K12LTSP. If this is true, is this version ready for a production server? And where can I download it? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ascensiontech at gmail.com Tue May 3 19:58:57 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Ascension Tech) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 15:58:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] yum problem In-Reply-To: <574acfb3c9e303dc101cac9aeec858ba@mindfirestudios.com> References: <9bd3175605043012571f95d9d8@mail.gmail.com> <9bd31756050430135237683763@mail.gmail.com> <9bd3175605043014043e2395e6@mail.gmail.com> <9bd3175605043020175d3c5701@mail.gmail.com> <574acfb3c9e303dc101cac9aeec858ba@mindfirestudios.com> Message-ID: <9bd3175605050312587c3ba708@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Burke, I think I'll save this for Friday just in case it takes me a while to get it fixed. But, after I rpm -e all the packages at once, do I just yum update and all should be well? Or will i have to manually rpm -ihv the packages I removed? -P On 5/1/05, Burke Almquist wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Try removing them all at once. > > On Apr 30, 2005, at 10:17 PM, Ascension Tech wrote: > > > Thanks Burke, > > Ouch, I think it might be pretty messed up. When I run rpm -e > > openoffice.org i get: > > > > [root at LTSP2 Oo]# rpm -e openoffice.org > > error: Failed dependencies: > > openoffice.org >= 1.1.0 is needed by (installed) > > openoffice-extras-1.1.0-1.k12ltsp.1.4.2.noarch > > openoffice.org >= 1.1.0 is needed by (installed) > > OpenOffice-suite-compat-0.0.2-k12ltsp.0.4.0.noarch > > openoffice.org = 1.1.3-9.5.0.fc3 is needed by (installed) > > openoffice.org-i18n-1.1.3-9.5.0.fc3.i386 > > openoffice.org = 1.1.3-9.5.0.fc3 is needed by (installed) > > openoffice.org-libs-1.1.3-9.5.0.fc3.i386 > > openoffice.org = 1.1.3-9.5.0.fc3 is needed by (installed) > > openoffice.org-kde-1.1.3-9.5.0.fc3.i386 > > openoffice.org = 1.1.3-11.5.0.fc3 is needed by (installed) > > openoffice.org-i18n-1.1.3-11.5.0.fc3.i386 > > [root at LTSP2 Oo]# > > > > I have a feeling apt is messed up too because it seems to be looking > > for fedora core 2 updates instead of fedora core 3. > > > > [root at LTSP2 Oo]# apt-get update > > Get:1 http://ruslug.rutgers.edu fedora/2 release [505B] > > Ign http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu fedora/2/i386 release > > Fetched 505B in 0s (3489B/s) > > Err http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu fedora/2/i386/os pkglist > > 404 Not Found > > Hit http://ruslug.rutgers.edu fedora/2/macromedia pkglist > > Hit http://ruslug.rutgers.edu fedora/2/macromedia release > > Ign http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu fedora/2/i386/os release > > Hit http://ruslug.rutgers.edu fedora/2/macromedia srclist > > Err http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu fedora/2/i386/updates pkglist > > 404 Not Found > > Ign http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu fedora/2/i386/updates release > > Err http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu fedora/2/i386/os srclist > > 404 Not Found > > Err http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu fedora/2/i386/updates srclist > > 404 Not Found > > Err http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu fedora/2/i386/stable pkglist > > 404 Not Found > > Ign http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu fedora/2/i386/stable release > > Err http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu fedora/2/i386/stable srclist > > 404 Not Found > > Failed to fetch > > http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/linux/fedora.us/fedora/fedora/2/i386/base/ > > pkglist.os > > 404 Not Found > > Failed to fetch > > http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/linux/fedora.us/fedora/fedora/2/i386/base/ > > pkglist.updates > > 404 Not Found > > Failed to fetch > > http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/linux/fedora.us/fedora/fedora/2/i386/base/ > > srclist.os > > 404 Not Found > > Failed to fetch > > http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/linux/fedora.us/fedora/fedora/2/i386/base/ > > srclist.updates > > 404 Not Found > > Failed to fetch > > http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/linux/fedora.us/fedora/fedora/2/i386/base/ > > pkglist.stable > > 404 Not Found > > Failed to fetch > > http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/linux/fedora.us/fedora/fedora/2/i386/base/ > > srclist.stable > > 404 Not Found > > Reading Package Lists... Done > > Building Dependency Tree... Done > > E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old > > ones used instead. > > [root at LTSP2 Oo]# > > > > > > Anyone have any ideas? > > > > Thanks, > > Peter > > > > : > > > > On 4/30/05, Burke Almquist wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >> Hash: SHA1 > >> > >> Looks like you may have to do as they say and use rpm. > >> Or apt. > >> > >> On Apr 30, 2005, at 4:04 PM, Ascension Tech wrote: > >> > >>> I don't think that feature is a apart of yum. If this is right: > >>> > >>> https://lists.dulug.duke.edu/pipermail/yum/2004-July/004947.html > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On 4/30/05, Burke Almquist wrote: > >>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >>>> Hash: SHA1 > >>>> > >>>> Can you force it? > >>>> > >>>> On Apr 30, 2005, at 3:52 PM, Ascension Tech wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Nope. same result. > >>>>> > >>>>> -P > >>>>> > >>>>> On 4/30/05, Burke Almquist wrote: > >>>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >>>>>> Hash: SHA1 > >>>>>> > >>>>>> try updating the four problem packages all at once? > >>>>>> (listing them as arguments of the command) > >>>>>> eg. "yum update openoffice.org openoffice.org-i18n" > >>>>>> > >>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > >>>> Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) > >>>> > >>>> iEYEARECAAYFAkJz8HYACgkQfqZR3ThMfXTsBACghbXWb60Tl9e1mL510mmkUBxg > >>>> 0zwAn0RC8ouzZ+mbqCITPLDKRYf3UGWS > >>>> =oSll > >>>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >>>> > >>>> > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > >> Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) > >> > >> iEYEARECAAYFAkJ0KsAACgkQfqZR3ThMfXTC6gCePs+/zooYoix709MUgucM8+NH > >> Zd0An02qYnci9hlFDu421ZkFoGmPC3GP > >> =DKzr > >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) > > iEYEARECAAYFAkJ0u20ACgkQfqZR3ThMfXSsYwCeOCwamIoPBx+ioei8uCdiIdu3 > Q1gAnRvf+D3cTM+7YhHqseiUY+YZaW8q > =C4g3 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > From adammelancon at gmail.com Tue May 3 20:01:50 2005 From: adammelancon at gmail.com (Adam Melancon) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 15:01:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] New Version K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <200505031958.j43JwiNp017140@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200505031958.j43JwiNp017140@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <489287610505031301d12af82@mail.gmail.com> https://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2005-April/msg00600.html On 5/3/05, Mark Sarria wrote: > > > > Is there a new version of K12LTSP, I recall something being posted about > updating to the new version of K12LTSP. > > If this is true, is this version ready for a production server? And where > can I download it? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- Adam Melancon Work: http://www.vermilion.lib.la.us Personal: http://www.melancon.org From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tue May 3 20:06:21 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 15:06:21 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice vs. Microsoft Office In-Reply-To: <20050503174718.GD4691@sonic.net> References: <20050503124214.72751.qmail@web52903.mail.yahoo.com> <20050503174718.GD4691@sonic.net> Message-ID: Funny thing, too, OOo lets you make PDFs as well without having Acrobat! Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Tue, 3 May 2005, Bill Kendrick wrote: > On Tue, May 03, 2005 at 05:42:14AM -0700, richard ingalls wrote: > > > What I love about [OpenOffice.org] is that it's freely > > available to anyone for Windows, Mac and Linux. > > > ... Which means students, parents, teachers, etc. can use it at home, > be compatible with what the school uses, and with each other. > > -bill! > > Side thought: people put PDFs up on their websites and say: "Download Acrobat!" > Why not do the same with things like OpenOffice.org? ;^) > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From nbs at sonic.net Tue May 3 20:08:12 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 13:08:12 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenOffice vs. Microsoft Office In-Reply-To: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D1C2003@MAILBE2.westat.com> References: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D1C2003@MAILBE2.westat.com> Message-ID: <20050503200812.GA18427@sonic.net> On Tue, May 03, 2005 at 02:57:50PM -0400, Henry Hartley wrote: > Anyway, I really hate that. If there were a setting that let me say > something like "I know I might lose formatting but stop bugging me!" I'd > really appreciate it. Hrm, many dialogs I've seen in other apps (/especially/ well-behaved KDE apps) have little "Don't show this again" checkboxes. I'm surprised this one in OOo does not. Perhaps 2.0 will add it? Perhaps it's time to file a feature request, if not? ;^) > Alternatively, if it said something like, "you included a formatting feature> in your document and the formatting will be lost or > modified if you save in that format" then at least I'd know where the > problem is. But you get the same stupid message even with a simple > document with nothing but straight text. Yeah, it seems kind of ... sweeping. A more computational approach ("does this doc have formatting? will this formatting actually be lost if it gets saved in file format XYZ?") would be more logical. ;) -bill! From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue May 3 20:31:36 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 13:31:36 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] is disk 5 needed In-Reply-To: <20050403131253.jsmith@breakthroughministries.com.12> References: <20050403131253.jsmith@breakthroughministries.com.12> Message-ID: <4277DFA8.5030502@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> John A. Smith wrote: > I was just wondering if someone could fill me in on the contents of disc 5 for K12LTSP 4.2.1?? > > I'm hoping to do an install today and wondering if I need to grab that .iso as well. > > thanks, > john smith You should grab the 5th iso as well. The reason there is now a 5th ISO is the PPC terminal support is pretty big (~100M) and there was not a lot of free room left on disc 4. Disc 5 contains packages that would previously fit onto disc 4. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Ashland Ave. Chicago, IL 60640-2001 PH: 773.989.4382, x230 FAX: 773.989.7329 http://www.breakthroughministries.com From sdw2 at shineonline.co.nz Tue May 3 21:49:37 2005 From: sdw2 at shineonline.co.nz (Stephen Woolerton) Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 09:49:37 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Setting mozilla browser home page Message-ID: <4277F1F1.6070008@shineonline.co.nz> Hi All, I wish to preset the home page of Mozilla to the school Intranet. I've googled around and tried different things but haven't found a way of getting this to work (apart from hacking a login script). Can anyone shed some light on this. Seems a small thing but getting the home page preset would be a huge help. Also, we wish to have a choice of printers in Mozilla rather the just the standard "default" printer available on a standard install. I understand Mozilla will work with Xprint on some distros, however Redhat disabled Xprint. What do folks do here? Thanks Stephen From mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us Tue May 3 22:34:39 2005 From: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us (Mark Sarria) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 15:34:39 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] RE:OSX Roaming Profile Instructions-Auth LinuxSAMBA/LDAPServer In-Reply-To: <59824A5D-230F-4E61-8479-E0DF28DECF48@chatham.k12.nc.us> Message-ID: <200505032234.j43MYSHv030763@mx1.redhat.com> I am sorry, But I might have missed that, I too am trying to login from Mac OS 10.2 to my K12 server using LDAP. Do you mind reposting that information. Thank you -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jimmy Schwankl Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 12:30 PM To: Jim Kronebusch Cc: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: [K12OSN] RE:OSX Roaming Profile Instructions-Auth LinuxSAMBA/LDAPServer Dear Jim, Your directions worked fine. I can now login on an OS X box and it uses /home from the K12LTSP/FC3 server. (David and Matt, thank you both also, as it's the samba/ldap script that got me the first half of the way) Thank you! Peace, Jimmy Schwankl +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Always proofread carefully to see if you any words out. **This message was sent from the Chatham County Schools Mail Server** *****All e-mail correspondence to and from this address is subject to the North Carolina Public Records Law, which may result in monitoring and disclosure to third parties, including law enforcement.***** _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From accessys at smart.net Tue May 3 22:49:37 2005 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 18:49:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] is disk 5 needed In-Reply-To: <4277DFA8.5030502@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <20050403131253.jsmith@breakthroughministries.com.12> <4277DFA8.5030502@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: my download speed is crapola, is there any way to actually order the disks, am willing to pay the freight etc. thanks Bob ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys at smartnospam.net NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue May 3 23:18:03 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 16:18:03 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] is disk 5 needed In-Reply-To: References: <20050403131253.jsmith@breakthroughministries.com.12> <4277DFA8.5030502@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <427806AB.2030303@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Access Systems wrote: > my download speed is crapola, is there any way to actually order the > disks, am willing to pay the freight etc. > > thanks > Bob > Paul Nelson maintains a list of web sites known to sell K12LTSP ISOs. Check around to see if anyone has 4.2.1 discs yet. http://k12ltsp.org/order.html -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Check around to see if anyone has 4.2.1 discs yet. http://k12ltsp.org/order.html -Eric From hoffmann at fidnet.com Wed May 4 00:49:38 2005 From: hoffmann at fidnet.com (hoffmann at fidnet.com) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 19:49:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Active Directory?? Message-ID: <00f301c55043$2697ca40$1002a8c0@KAREN> We are currently running active directory on our Win2000 server. What has to be done to get this to work with the K12LTSP? I want to set up a classroom with a K12LTSP server and 10 clients, but I want the students to be able to open up the files in the MS computer lab as well. I apologize if this doesn't make sense. I know very little about Microsoft and nothing about Linux -- but I'm trying to learn! Thanks for your help. Karen Hoffmann From robark at gmail.com Wed May 4 03:52:55 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 20:52:55 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] bigmem or hugemem with 4.2.1 or 4.1.1? Message-ID: Wondering if anyone is running 4.2.1 or 4.1.1 with > 4GB memory because I can't find those kernels in the k12 repos? -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From lsrpm-1 at shaw.ca Wed May 4 04:18:36 2005 From: lsrpm-1 at shaw.ca (Liam Marshall) Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 23:18:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] I need to make a choice Message-ID: <0IFY0053A6MXM1@l-daemon> I have run a Linux only lab now for for the entire school year so far. 1 server K12LTSP 4.1 and 30+ workstations. (some teachers connect to server using Windoze via Samba but they don't count) Kindergarten to Grade 12 with the elementary students using the educational games that came with K12LTSP as well as web sites and ktouch Junior and High School students using StarOffice Applications, web sites, ktouch and various programming languages. Java via NetBeans, Python, etc Most everything worked great. I wish I had better bandwidth, but that might be solved if and when I can convince the powers that be to spring for the switches necessary for a gig backbone to a gig router/switch that all other switches would be attached to, including the two lines from the server What I would really love is to get the sound working on the workstations. 25 out of the 30+ workstations are identical IBM 300PLs with onboard lans, onboard video, and onboard sound. When I loaded up one of these machines with Windows 98, it auto-detected sound and functioned without speakers or headphones. These workstations have audio jacks and volume controls out the front. Crank it up and the audio plays through the system speaker But no matter what I try, and I have tried, I cannot get sound working. It must have something to do with the soundcard itself Crystal 3248? I think. The sound card on the server works fine, but that's useless as it is not used as a workstation. The elementary teachers have been really good about a complete switch to Linux, not that they had a choice. I teach all the computer classes Grade 7 and up and have not really felt the need for sound but the elementary teachers only real complaint is the lack of sound on the educational games and websites. I would like to give it to them It seems to me that other distros of Linux seem to handle sound better than Fedora. I plan to try putting a harddrive into one of the workstations and then load a regular distro of say Mandrake or Suse to see if they can detect and use the sound card. If it can I would assume that loading the terminal server with that distro and then LTSP on top then the workstations would have sound. I don't really want to do that as the K12LTSP that I have been using is brain dead easy to install and configure. Literally follow the bouncing ball and then accept defaults for almost everything. Then tweek later. I really like that. I really really want Fedora to start supporting that workstation and its sound card Advice. Opinions. Ideas. Welcome and thank you -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lsrpm-1 at shaw.ca Wed May 4 04:19:15 2005 From: lsrpm-1 at shaw.ca (Liam Marshall) Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 23:19:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] bigmem or hugemem with 4.2.1 or 4.1.1? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <0IFY0071A6O07R@l-daemon> Not me, only 2 Gb of ram sorry -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Robert Arkiletian Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 10:53 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: [K12OSN] bigmem or hugemem with 4.2.1 or 4.1.1? Wondering if anyone is running 4.2.1 or 4.1.1 with > 4GB memory because I can't find those kernels in the k12 repos? -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From patmo98 at yahoo.com Wed May 4 04:34:01 2005 From: patmo98 at yahoo.com (Patrick Mohr) Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 21:34:01 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Firefox and proxies on WinXP In-Reply-To: <1115131191.3671.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <42768F0B.6060206@yahoo.com> <1115131191.3671.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <427850B9.1000502@yahoo.com> Jon White wrote: >I used this information from this site: >http://alain.knaff.lu/howto/MozillaCustomization/index.html >to create mozilla.cfg files with the lockpref() options to "hard code" >our proxy information into all of our Windows2K/XP computers. > >I believe it also allows you to choose the auto detect option as well, >though I wasn't looking for it when I setup files, so I can't say for >sure. > >If you need more information than what is there, let me know and I'll >try to find my notes on the process and post them. > > > Thanks for the help, this gave me all of the information I needed. -Patrick From bill at computassist.com Wed May 4 04:34:26 2005 From: bill at computassist.com (Bill Bardon) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 23:34:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] I need to make a choice In-Reply-To: <0IFY0053A6MXM1@l-daemon> References: <0IFY0053A6MXM1@l-daemon> Message-ID: <20050503233426.0f4a47f2@localhost.localdomain> On Tuesday, May 03 Liam Marshall wrote: > It seems to me that other distros of Linux seem to handle sound better > than Fedora. I plan to try putting a harddrive into one of the > workstations and then load a regular distro of say Mandrake or Suse to > see if they can detect and use the sound card. If it can I would > > > Advice. Opinions. Ideas. Welcome and thank you Just one suggestion - don't bother with a hard drive swap. So many of the mainline distros now come in a Live CD version, if one of your workstations has a CD-ROM drive, you can try out quite a few by simply booting from a CD. Knoppix, MEPIS, Ubuntu, Mandriva and others all have bootable versions. Those four are known for their usually excellent hardware detection. If one works especially well on your workstation, do a little digging while it's booted up and see which modules are being used, what parameters they were loaded with, etc. It may help understand your hardware a little better. -- Bill Bardon COMPUTASSIST Omaha, Nebraska http://www.computassist.com From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Wed May 4 04:36:30 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 21:36:30 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] I need to make a choice In-Reply-To: <0IFY0053A6MXM1@l-daemon> References: <0IFY0053A6MXM1@l-daemon> Message-ID: This has worked for me and some others: http://www.thesymbiont.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=144&Itemid=125 -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.technologyrescue.com From thepiano at telenet.be Wed May 4 04:16:45 2005 From: thepiano at telenet.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 04:16:45 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Active Directory?? Message-ID: Hello, There's a wonderful set of articles with how-to steps at: http://math.univ-lille1.fr/~hafidi/terminal-services/index.html I found it a incredible resource. kindly regards, Kevin >----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- >Van: hoffmann at fidnet.com [mailto:hoffmann at fidnet.com] >Verzonden: woensdag, mei 4, 2005 12:49 AM >Aan: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' >Onderwerp: [K12OSN] Active Directory?? > >We are currently running active directory on our Win2000 server. What has >to be done to get this to work with the K12LTSP? I want to set up a >classroom with a K12LTSP server and 10 clients, but I want the students to >be able to open up the files in the MS computer lab as well. I apologize if >this doesn't make sense. I know very little about Microsoft and nothing >about Linux -- but I'm trying to learn! Thanks for your help. > >Karen Hoffmann > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > From jon.spriggs at gmail.com Wed May 4 06:35:22 2005 From: jon.spriggs at gmail.com (Jon Spriggs) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 07:35:22 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Smoothwall and Dansguardian In-Reply-To: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D1C1FFD@MAILBE2.westat.com> References: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D1C1FFD@MAILBE2.westat.com> Message-ID: <96df2e0b05050323356f5c3193@mail.gmail.com> On 5/3/05, Henry Hartley wrote: > On: Tue, 03 May 2005 at 12:05 PM, Jon Spriggs said: > >> On 5/3/05, Henry Hartley wrote: > >> > > >> > It's running but not logging anything. Obviously (or apparently, > >> > anyway) it's being bypassed but everything (that I've checked) > >> > implies that it shouldn't be being bypassed. > >> > >> OK, chmod 666 the log file, and see if anything is written then... > > Nope, that didn't help. So it isn't a permissions issue on the log > file. > Also, it's not actually blocking any sites. So, it's likely not even > being called. In the past it just worked. I've tried turning proxying > off and back on but in either state it doesn't seem to be working. The > Smoothwall admin page shows it as either on or off as set. Hmmm OK, try reading the init script and see what it calls. If it's something like "/usr/bin/dansgardian -d" or similar, read the manpage on dansgardian and see whether there are any switches to force it to run in non-daemonised mode... and run it like that. If it's still not working, then contact the author's D-List and see whether they've got any suggestions. Sorry I can't be more help :( -- Jon "Four Star Gun" Spriggs AKA Jon "The Nice Guy" Spriggs From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Wed May 4 12:03:08 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 07:03:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] yum problem In-Reply-To: <9bd3175605050312587c3ba708@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd3175605043012571f95d9d8@mail.gmail.com> <9bd31756050430135237683763@mail.gmail.com> <9bd3175605043014043e2395e6@mail.gmail.com> <9bd3175605043020175d3c5701@mail.gmail.com> <574acfb3c9e303dc101cac9aeec858ba@mindfirestudios.com> <9bd3175605050312587c3ba708@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <800f89ce6e11f0e6e53bc510b54fd205@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 You should be able to do the install with yum (and its dependancy checking) once you get the conflicting packages removed. On May 3, 2005, at 2:58 PM, Ascension Tech wrote: > Thanks Burke, > I think I'll save this for Friday just in case it takes me a while to > get it fixed. But, after I rpm -e all the packages at once, do I > just yum update and all should be well? Or will i have to manually > rpm -ihv the packages I removed? > > -P > > On 5/1/05, Burke Almquist wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Try removing them all at once. >> >> On Apr 30, 2005, at 10:17 PM, Ascension Tech wrote: >> >>> Thanks Burke, >>> Ouch, I think it might be pretty messed up. When I run rpm -e >>> openoffice.org i get: >>> >>> [root at LTSP2 Oo]# rpm -e openoffice.org >>> error: Failed dependencies: >>> openoffice.org >= 1.1.0 is needed by (installed) >>> openoffice-extras-1.1.0-1.k12ltsp.1.4.2.noarch >>> openoffice.org >= 1.1.0 is needed by (installed) >>> OpenOffice-suite-compat-0.0.2-k12ltsp.0.4.0.noarch >>> openoffice.org = 1.1.3-9.5.0.fc3 is needed by (installed) >>> openoffice.org-i18n-1.1.3-9.5.0.fc3.i386 >>> openoffice.org = 1.1.3-9.5.0.fc3 is needed by (installed) >>> openoffice.org-libs-1.1.3-9.5.0.fc3.i386 >>> openoffice.org = 1.1.3-9.5.0.fc3 is needed by (installed) >>> openoffice.org-kde-1.1.3-9.5.0.fc3.i386 >>> openoffice.org = 1.1.3-11.5.0.fc3 is needed by (installed) >>> openoffice.org-i18n-1.1.3-11.5.0.fc3.i386 >>> [root at LTSP2 Oo]# >>> >>> I have a feeling apt is messed up too because it seems to be looking >>> for fedora core 2 updates instead of fedora core 3. >>> >>> [root at LTSP2 Oo]# apt-get update >>> Get:1 http://ruslug.rutgers.edu fedora/2 release [505B] >>> Ign http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu fedora/2/i386 release >>> Fetched 505B in 0s (3489B/s) >>> Err http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu fedora/2/i386/os pkglist >>> 404 Not Found >>> Hit http://ruslug.rutgers.edu fedora/2/macromedia pkglist >>> Hit http://ruslug.rutgers.edu fedora/2/macromedia release >>> Ign http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu fedora/2/i386/os release >>> Hit http://ruslug.rutgers.edu fedora/2/macromedia srclist >>> Err http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu fedora/2/i386/updates pkglist >>> 404 Not Found >>> Ign http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu fedora/2/i386/updates release >>> Err http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu fedora/2/i386/os srclist >>> 404 Not Found >>> Err http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu fedora/2/i386/updates srclist >>> 404 Not Found >>> Err http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu fedora/2/i386/stable pkglist >>> 404 Not Found >>> Ign http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu fedora/2/i386/stable release >>> Err http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu fedora/2/i386/stable srclist >>> 404 Not Found >>> Failed to fetch >>> http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/linux/fedora.us/fedora/fedora/2/i386/base/ >>> pkglist.os >>> 404 Not Found >>> Failed to fetch >>> http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/linux/fedora.us/fedora/fedora/2/i386/base/ >>> pkglist.updates >>> 404 Not Found >>> Failed to fetch >>> http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/linux/fedora.us/fedora/fedora/2/i386/base/ >>> srclist.os >>> 404 Not Found >>> Failed to fetch >>> http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/linux/fedora.us/fedora/fedora/2/i386/base/ >>> srclist.updates >>> 404 Not Found >>> Failed to fetch >>> http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/linux/fedora.us/fedora/fedora/2/i386/base/ >>> pkglist.stable >>> 404 Not Found >>> Failed to fetch >>> http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/linux/fedora.us/fedora/fedora/2/i386/base/ >>> srclist.stable >>> 404 Not Found >>> Reading Package Lists... Done >>> Building Dependency Tree... Done >>> E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or >>> old >>> ones used instead. >>> [root at LTSP2 Oo]# >>> >>> >>> Anyone have any ideas? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Peter >>> >>> : >>> >>> On 4/30/05, Burke Almquist wrote: >>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>> Hash: SHA1 >>>> >>>> Looks like you may have to do as they say and use rpm. >>>> Or apt. >>>> >>>> On Apr 30, 2005, at 4:04 PM, Ascension Tech wrote: >>>> >>>>> I don't think that feature is a apart of yum. If this is right: >>>>> >>>>> https://lists.dulug.duke.edu/pipermail/yum/2004-July/004947.html >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 4/30/05, Burke Almquist wrote: >>>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>>> Hash: SHA1 >>>>>> >>>>>> Can you force it? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 30, 2005, at 3:52 PM, Ascension Tech wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Nope. same result. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -P >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 4/30/05, Burke Almquist wrote: >>>>>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>>>>> Hash: SHA1 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> try updating the four problem packages all at once? >>>>>>>> (listing them as arguments of the command) >>>>>>>> eg. "yum update openoffice.org openoffice.org-i18n" >>>>>>>> >>>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>>>>> Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) >>>>>> >>>>>> iEYEARECAAYFAkJz8HYACgkQfqZR3ThMfXTsBACghbXWb60Tl9e1mL510mmkUBxg >>>>>> 0zwAn0RC8ouzZ+mbqCITPLDKRYf3UGWS >>>>>> =oSll >>>>>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>>> Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) >>>> >>>> iEYEARECAAYFAkJ0KsAACgkQfqZR3ThMfXTC6gCePs+/zooYoix709MUgucM8+NH >>>> Zd0An02qYnci9hlFDu421ZkFoGmPC3GP >>>> =DKzr >>>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> K12OSN mailing list >>> K12OSN at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>> For more info see >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) >> >> iEYEARECAAYFAkJ0u20ACgkQfqZR3ThMfXSsYwCeOCwamIoPBx+ioei8uCdiIdu3 >> Q1gAnRvf+D3cTM+7YhHqseiUY+YZaW8q >> =C4g3 >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkJ4ufwACgkQfqZR3ThMfXQ0sgCeJqEdunB4P1zDnePWoXqUY4uK pd4An3qkzx97ah8uFRQv4znkq6F1u7Bl =bVMm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From thepiano at pandora.be Wed May 4 12:13:04 2005 From: thepiano at pandora.be (Kevin Verheyen) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 14:13:04 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] ADS and samba mounting Message-ID: Hello, at this moment i was getting very exited about the k12ltsp setup at our school, we're almost done setting up our pilote class. i only do have a big problem. We would like to work with romaing profiles, and i followed all steps lined out in the http://math.univ-lille1.fr/~hafidi/terminal-services/index.html files. But now a porblem rises. Our ADS home directorys are spread along mulitiple directories. ex. the pupils's home directory lays under the share Pupils ex. the teachers home directory lays under the share Teachers So the profiles are spread along different shares. Now my big question: Hom wo i integrate this in my ltsp setup (ie ltsp with auth and home on AS), including automount of the shares depending on the logged on userprofile. Thanx for your answers! Kevin Verheyen IT Co?rdinator SG Rupel -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Subject: Re: [K12OSN] users kicked out on 4.2.1 Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 09:33:42 -0400 (EDT) > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > --- Jim McQuillan wrote: > > > >> But, the pinginterval is there for a reason. To > >> detect displays that > >> have dissappeared or are hung up for some reason. > >> > >> That's how GDM knows that it should kill any child > >> processes if a user > >> turns off their terminal. > >> > > > > Isn't this the feature that doesn't seem to work, > > leaving servers with orphaned processes when a user's > > terminal either locks up or is powered-off without > > logging out properly? > > > > Maybe I should check my pinginterval setting and make > > sure it's not set to zero... > > > > -Rob > > The continuing saga of users being kicked out on 4.2.1: > I am doing the following things: > 1. keep my fingers crossed, 2. knock on unpainted wood as all stations are > still ok. > I have done the following: > 1. put the X ping interval at 0, 2 very carefully edited the lts.conf file > removing all obsolete references. > I am contemplating the following, if stations continue to fail: > 1. return to the previous version of LTSP, specifically, use the /opt/ltsp > and /tftpdir/ltsp from before upgrade. 2. switch to a different windows > manager (IceWM) was ruled out - the users don't want to change. > > I'll keep you posted. julius > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFCY7c22LhlZOaj6vURAl+kAJ9DfE7KfMSSBET+nqfrkGbvO1MfNQCdG+MK > n2sATNQi+HKLiBcPNMSR+sc= > =vcUy > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us Wed May 4 12:22:08 2005 From: schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us (Jimmy Schwankl) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 08:22:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] RE:OSX Roaming Profile Instructions-Auth LinuxSAMBA/LDAPServer Message-ID: Mark Sarria wrote: > I am sorry, But I might have missed that, I too am trying to login > from Mac > OS 10.2 to my K12 server using LDAP. > Do you mind reposting that information. Mark, The original post is here: https://listman.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2005-April/msg00789.html Peace, Jimmy Schwankl **This message was sent from the Chatham County Schools Mail Server** *****All e-mail correspondence to and from this address is subject to the North Carolina Public Records Law, which may result in monitoring and disclosure to third parties, including law enforcement.***** From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Wed May 4 09:53:27 2005 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 09:53:27 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] how do I add a language for a user? Message-ID: <42789B97.603@snet.net> I'm getting married. My fiancee is from Brazil, and I've set up a user acct on my box for her. I'd like her to be able to use KDE in portugese, but when I did my most recent install, apparently I installed only English. I'd also like Spanish and French to be available. How do I install these languages? tony http://www.school-library.net From jim at winonacotter.org Wed May 4 14:25:26 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 09:25:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] RE:OSX Roaming Profile Instructions-AuthLinuxSAMBA/LDAPServer In-Reply-To: <200505032234.j43MYSHv030763@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <001301c550b5$1d5d17b0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > I am sorry, But I might have missed that, I too am trying to > login from Mac OS 10.2 to my K12 server using LDAP. Do you > mind reposting that information. I have attached the instructions again. They are in OpenOffice format. > Your directions worked fine. I can now login on an OS X box and it > uses /home from the K12LTSP/FC3 server. > (David and Matt, thank you both also, as it's the samba/ldap script > that got me the first half of the way) Awesome! Glad to hear I was able to help out. This was a nightmare to get the automount of /home figured out. Now I have someone to call when mine stops working :-) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Wed May 4 14:38:28 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 09:38:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] RE:OSX Roaming ProfileInstructions-AuthLinuxSAMBA/LDAPServer In-Reply-To: <001301c550b5$1d5d17b0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <001601c550b6$efa16950$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > > I am sorry, But I might have missed that, I too am trying to login > > from Mac OS 10.2 to my K12 server using LDAP. Do you mind reposting > > that information. > > I have attached the instructions again. They are in > OpenOffice format. > > > Your directions worked fine. I can now login on an OS X box and it > > uses /home from the K12LTSP/FC3 server. (David and Matt, thank you > > both also, as it's the samba/ldap script > > that got me the first half of the way) > > Awesome! Glad to hear I was able to help out. This was a > nightmare to get the automount of /home figured out. Now I > have someone to call when mine stops working :-) What an idiot I am. This actually has the instructions attached :-) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: OSX LDAP Setup.odt Type: application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.text Size: 11006 bytes Desc: not available URL: From shahms at shahms.com Wed May 4 14:44:18 2005 From: shahms at shahms.com (Shahms King) Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 07:44:18 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Active Directory?? In-Reply-To: <00f301c55043$2697ca40$1002a8c0@KAREN> References: <00f301c55043$2697ca40$1002a8c0@KAREN> Message-ID: <4278DFC2.3010505@shahms.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 hoffmann at fidnet.com wrote: | We are currently running active directory on our Win2000 server. What has | to be done to get this to work with the K12LTSP? I want to set up a | classroom with a K12LTSP server and 10 clients, but I want the students to | be able to open up the files in the MS computer lab as well. I apologize if | this doesn't make sense. I know very little about Microsoft and nothing | about Linux -- but I'm trying to learn! Thanks for your help. | | Karen Hoffmann Just accessing the files in the MS computer lab is one thing; students "should" be able to do that already by selecting "Network Servers" from either "Applications" or "Places" in the GNOME menu. If you're not using GNOME or Nautilus, I don't know how one would make them easily accessible to students. It's also been a while since I played with accessing Windows from Linux (it's usually the other way around here). - -- Shahms E. King Multnomah ESD Public Key: http://shahms.mesd.k12.or.us/~sking/shahms.asc Fingerprint: 1612 054B CE92 8770 F1EA AB1B FEAB 3636 45B2 D75B -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCeN/C/qs2NkWy11sRAst/AJ4g6SZpZiAtCCOK4kF5ZFOg4K6d/wCffSJB Zg3VPIoIxBd1jVD/G8qjkNo= =D/xc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us Wed May 4 15:06:10 2005 From: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us (Mark Sarria) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 08:06:10 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] RE:OSX RoamingProfileInstructions-AuthLinuxSAMBA/LDAPServer In-Reply-To: <001601c550b6$efa16950$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <200505041505.j44F5u6K014741@mx1.redhat.com> Thank you for reposting your instructions. What version of Open office should did you use to create this document? -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jim Kronebusch Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 7:38 AM To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] RE:OSX RoamingProfileInstructions-AuthLinuxSAMBA/LDAPServer > > I am sorry, But I might have missed that, I too am trying to login > > from Mac OS 10.2 to my K12 server using LDAP. Do you mind reposting > > that information. > > I have attached the instructions again. They are in > OpenOffice format. > > > Your directions worked fine. I can now login on an OS X box and it > > uses /home from the K12LTSP/FC3 server. (David and Matt, thank you > > both also, as it's the samba/ldap script > > that got me the first half of the way) > > Awesome! Glad to hear I was able to help out. This was a > nightmare to get the automount of /home figured out. Now I > have someone to call when mine stops working :-) What an idiot I am. This actually has the instructions attached :-) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us Wed May 4 15:18:49 2005 From: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us (Mark Sarria) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 08:18:49 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] RE:OSX RoamingProfileInstructions-AuthLinuxSAMBA/LDAPServer In-Reply-To: <001601c550b6$efa16950$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <200505041518.j44FIbtl002931@mx3.redhat.com> Sorry for being such a pest, I have open office 1.1.2 installed. When I attempted to open the document it was blank. You wouldn't happen to have the document in pdf or rich text format? -mark -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jim Kronebusch Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 7:38 AM To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] RE:OSX RoamingProfileInstructions-AuthLinuxSAMBA/LDAPServer > > I am sorry, But I might have missed that, I too am trying to login > > from Mac OS 10.2 to my K12 server using LDAP. Do you mind reposting > > that information. > > I have attached the instructions again. They are in > OpenOffice format. > > > Your directions worked fine. I can now login on an OS X box and it > > uses /home from the K12LTSP/FC3 server. (David and Matt, thank you > > both also, as it's the samba/ldap script > > that got me the first half of the way) > > Awesome! Glad to hear I was able to help out. This was a > nightmare to get the automount of /home figured out. Now I > have someone to call when mine stops working :-) What an idiot I am. This actually has the instructions attached :-) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From david at okgoodwill.org Wed May 4 15:26:28 2005 From: david at okgoodwill.org (David H. Barr) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 10:26:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] RE:OSXRoamingProfileInstructions-AuthLinuxSAMBA/LDAPServer Message-ID: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E2821FBCD9@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> odf is only available in the not-release version of OO.o. -dhbarr. Around Wednesday, May 04, 2005 10:19 AM, Mark Sarria (mailto:mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us) wrote: > Sorry for being such a pest, I have open office 1.1.2 installed. When > I > attempted to open the document it was blank. You wouldn't happen to > have the > document in pdf or rich text format? > > -mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf > Of Jim Kronebusch > Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 7:38 AM > To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] RE:OSX > RoamingProfileInstructions-AuthLinuxSAMBA/LDAPServer > >>> I am sorry, But I might have missed that, I too am trying to login >>> from Mac OS 10.2 to my K12 server using LDAP. Do you mind reposting >>> that information. >> >> I have attached the instructions again. They are in OpenOffice >> format. >> >>> Your directions worked fine. I can now login on an OS X box and it >>> uses /home from the K12LTSP/FC3 server. (David and Matt, thank you >>> both also, as it's the samba/ldap script >>> that got me the first half of the way) >> >> Awesome! Glad to hear I was able to help out. This was a >> nightmare to get the automount of /home figured out. Now I >> have someone to call when mine stops working :-) > > What an idiot I am. This actually has the instructions attached :-) From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed May 4 15:23:43 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 11:23:43 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] RE:OSX RoamingProfileInstructions-AuthLinuxSAMBA/LDAPServer In-Reply-To: <200505041518.j44FIbtl002931@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200505041518.j44FIbtl002931@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4278E8FF.2070305@inlandlakes.org> Mark Sarria wrote: > Sorry for being such a pest, I have open office 1.1.2 installed. I had problems too. It's the most recent version of OpenOffice (the beta). I attached an rtf version zipped up for you. -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: OSX LDAP Setup.zip Type: application/octet-stream Size: 3917 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us Wed May 4 15:35:13 2005 From: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us (Mark Sarria) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 08:35:13 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] RE:OSX RoamingProfileInstructions-AuthLinuxSAMBA/LDAPServer In-Reply-To: <4278E8FF.2070305@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <200505041535.j44FZ6FU026432@mx1.redhat.com> Thank you, -----Original Message----- From: Shawn Powers [mailto:spowers at inlandlakes.org] Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 8:24 AM To: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us; Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] RE:OSX RoamingProfileInstructions-AuthLinuxSAMBA/LDAPServer Mark Sarria wrote: > Sorry for being such a pest, I have open office 1.1.2 installed. I had problems too. It's the most recent version of OpenOffice (the beta). I attached an rtf version zipped up for you. -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From jim at winonacotter.org Wed May 4 15:49:35 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 10:49:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN]RE:OSX RoamingProfileInstructions-AuthLinuxSAMBA/LDAPServer In-Reply-To: <200505041535.j44FZ6FU026432@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <002b01c550c0$df3fcb10$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > I had problems too. It's the most recent version of OpenOffice (the > beta). I attached an rtf version zipped up for you. If anyone wants these instructions I posted them to this address: http://www.1-cs.com/osxldap.html Hopefully that will keep away from the OpenOffice version problems and from having to try and post docs to the list. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From SelzlerB at esuhsd.org Wed May 4 16:08:26 2005 From: SelzlerB at esuhsd.org (Selzler, Bruce) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 09:08:26 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Authenticating From an OSX Server Message-ID: <0F900389C3BCBF4D98226694DBE963F20B1BFB29@ECMAIL1.esuhsd.org> Hello Team, I've been watching the thread on authenticating against an LTSP server, but I would like to do the exact opposite. I would like my LTSP servers to authenticate from our OSX server. Our OSX server, Panther soon to be Tiger, hold all of our student accounts as well as many teacher accounts. I would like to be able to log into any LTSP or Windows computer on campus and have that users OSX directly mounted and accessible automatically. Since OSX is basically Unix I would think this should be possible, but it's a bit beyond my knowledge at this point. At least without a ton of "hunting and pecking" for the right solution. I'd rather do it right the first time. Is anyone doing this? Is there any documentation for this? Can someone point me in the right direction here? Let me know what you think. - Sez From nsantiago at caclv.org Wed May 4 16:43:26 2005 From: nsantiago at caclv.org (Santiago, Nicholas) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 12:43:26 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Simple Setup Message-ID: Hi all-- Looking to do a simple FC3 server setup, somewhat like an SME Server. Web, email, FTP, Windows domain. I'm probably missing some really easy howto, but if you guys know of any, please direct me. Thanks in advance. -Nick nicholas|santiago 484.893.1044 nsantiago at caclv.org From cbutler at shoreschool.org Wed May 4 16:50:25 2005 From: cbutler at shoreschool.org (Christopher Butler) Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 12:50:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Authenticating From an OSX Server In-Reply-To: <0F900389C3BCBF4D98226694DBE963F20B1BFB29@ECMAIL1.esuhsd.org> References: <0F900389C3BCBF4D98226694DBE963F20B1BFB29@ECMAIL1.esuhsd.org> Message-ID: Bruce - I just went through this, so if you look back in the archives a bit, find messages from me (cbutler at shoreschool.org) with subject "Authenticate to OS X Open Directory" for my problems and successes. The k12ltsp wiki has an entry under the "Interoperability" section http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Technical%3AIntegrateWithOSX that really is all you need. The one thing missing from that is that gdm-binary needs to be restarted for it to catch the changes made in authconfig. A brief summary our our setup: helios: OS X 10.3.4 Open Directory Master saturn: OS X 10.3.4 Home Directory Server (all home directories on a fiber channel attached XRAID) ltsp: K12TLTSP 4.1.1 two-NIC setup with thin clients on 192.168.0.0/24 network. With WGM I have set one of our home directory mounts to be shared via NFS to the K12LTSP server (I'm still in testing mode, so I am only sharing the faculty mount at this time.) For our setup, the path on our server to the home directory folder is /Volumes/SaturnRAID/Home so the mkdir command I had to do on the LTSP server was mkdir -p /Network/Servers/saturn/volumes/SaturnRAID/Home and the mount command looked similar mount saturn:/Network/Servers/saturn/volumes/SaturnRAID/Home \ /Network/Servers/saturn/SaturnRAID/Home The authconfig work was easy - just take a look at the Open Directory settings on your Open Directory Master (in Server Admin) to figure out what the LDAP Base DN is. Then, the missing step: RESTART GDM I figured this out after three days (I actually restarted the server itself). I think there is a script "gdm-safe-restart" that will do this for you. Now, I can log in to a thin client in the 192 network with my OS X username/password and my OS X home directory shows up as my LTSP home directory. Even more fun, from any Mac on campus, I can run /usr/X11R6/bin/x -query ltsp :1 and get an X session running with access to all the fun Gnome stuff. Hope this helps, and please, if you have any questions, feel free to ask. Christopher Butler Director of Technology Shore Country Day School Beverly, MA 01915 cbutler at shoreschool.org "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, May 04, 2005 at 12:08 PM -0500 wrote: > >Hello Team, > >I've been watching the thread on authenticating against an LTSP server, >but I would like to do the exact opposite. I would like my LTSP servers >to authenticate from our OSX server. > >Our OSX server, Panther soon to be Tiger, hold all of our student >accounts as well as many teacher accounts. I would like to be able to >log into any LTSP or Windows computer on campus and have that users OSX >directly mounted and accessible automatically. > >Since OSX is basically Unix I would think this should be possible, but >it's a bit beyond my knowledge at this point. At least without a ton of >"hunting and pecking" for the right solution. I'd rather do it right >the first time. > >Is anyone doing this? Is there any documentation for this? Can someone >point me in the right direction here? > >Let me know what you think. > >- Sez > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see From jim at winonacotter.org Wed May 4 17:03:15 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 12:03:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Authenticating From an OSX Server In-Reply-To: <0F900389C3BCBF4D98226694DBE963F20B1BFB29@ECMAIL1.esuhsd.org> Message-ID: <002c01c550cb$29433260$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > I've been watching the thread on authenticating against an > LTSP server, but I would like to do the exact opposite. I > would like my LTSP servers to authenticate from our OSX server. > > Our OSX server, Panther soon to be Tiger, hold all of our > student accounts as well as many teacher accounts. I would > like to be able to log into any LTSP or Windows computer on > campus and have that users OSX directly mounted and > accessible automatically. > > Since OSX is basically Unix I would think this should be > possible, but it's a bit beyond my knowledge at this point. > At least without a ton of "hunting and pecking" for the right > solution. I'd rather do it right the first time. Strictly theory here, but couldn't you export the users home directory from the OSX box with NFS. Then create a blank folder on the Linux server preferably named the same as the exported directory from OSX. Set the linux server to mount the exported dir on startup. Then set the Linux box to auth via LDAP to the OSX box. Nevermind, just saw Chris' post with actual "instructions" :-) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From staceypacquette at gmail.com Wed May 4 17:34:36 2005 From: staceypacquette at gmail.com (stacey pacquette) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 10:34:36 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] To cool Message-ID: <96bd2d70050504103461f69c5c@mail.gmail.com> Greetings everyone, I'm new to this board and Linux as well. I downloaded K12LTSP, burned it to CD, and in about an hour had the server setup on a dell GX400 and by the next day had booted a few different computers from the server. All worked good using PXE except for an emachine that is a about two-three years old; a floppy boot across the network ended up working for this one. This is the coolest stuff since sliced bread. I can't believe it. I've been looking at much linux the last couple of weeks or so, and feel like jimmy skippin down the path leaving a trail of purple and green, ar, ar. Linux Rocks. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les at futuresource.com Wed May 4 17:43:56 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 12:43:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Simple Setup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1115228635.15419.20.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-05-04 at 11:43, Santiago, Nicholas wrote: > Looking to do a simple FC3 server setup, somewhat like an SME Server. Web, > email, FTP, Windows domain. I'm probably missing some really easy howto, but > if you guys know of any, please direct me. The SME server has nearly identical (but outdated) programs providing services. You can do all the same and more with Fedora but you have to work with each program's configuration separately instead of using the web administration interface that is included with the SME server (and which makes it hard to update the system...). You might like to use webmin for most of the setup. If you started with a k12ltsp installation, you should have an 'install additional software' folder on the desktop and one of the choices should be 'Get webmin'. Do that, then https://your_server:10000. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From cbutler at shoreschool.org Wed May 4 17:48:49 2005 From: cbutler at shoreschool.org (Christopher Butler) Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 13:48:49 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] IceWM and some KDE apps Message-ID: I have discovered KStars! And I want to show it to one of our science teachers, but I am trying to restrict all the clients to IceWM (instead of KDE or Gnome). Anyway, KStars runs okay, but when I right-click on a star and try to open an image, I get an error that says "Could not start process Can't talk to klauncher" So, any ideas on how to get around this? Thanks, Christopher Butler Director of Technology Shore Country Day School Beverly, MA 01915 cbutler at shoreschool.org From jim at winonacotter.org Wed May 4 18:04:16 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 13:04:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Move Users from Standard Unix Accounts to SAMBA/LDAP Message-ID: <003301c550d3$af7b44a0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Okay, I need some help here. I have a server with White Box Linux 3 which is our "Master" server with Postfix, Netatalk, Samba, Webmail, etc. running on it. I will be making changes in a month or so to moving all authentication to a SAMBA/LDAP FC3 K12LTSP box. So here is what I need help with. I need to move all data from /home on the WBEL server to /home on the FC3 server. I will be exporting the /home from the FC3 server back to the WBEL server. I will then be setting the WBEL server to auth via LDAP to the FC3 server (which has SAMBA/LDAP). Not to complicated so far. But here is the catch, of course all of the files in /home on the WBEL server have permissions with Unix accounts and ID's, how do I get the new SAMBA/LDAP accounts to match the permissions on the moved /home data? It looks like the SAMBA/LDAP scripts don't store passwords in /etc/passwd and /etc/smbpasswd so everything must be configured to pull from the LDAP setup via PAM or something. I have all users and passwords in an external database so setting up a file for a bulk import with the provided scripts wouldn't be a problem. I am just worried about permissions matching on moved files. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From haysja at sages.us Wed May 4 18:39:36 2005 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 13:39:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Simple Setup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <427916E8.2080706@sages.us> I agree with Les. Use K12LTSP then install Webmin. Use Webmin to configure the rest. Santiago, Nicholas wrote: >Hi all-- > >Looking to do a simple FC3 server setup, somewhat like an SME Server. Web, >email, FTP, Windows domain. I'm probably missing some really easy howto, but >if you guys know of any, please direct me. > >Thanks in advance. > >-Nick > >nicholas|santiago >484.893.1044 >nsantiago at caclv.org > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > From scott at hosef.org Wed May 4 19:09:15 2005 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 09:09:15 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Good AMD 64 bit system recomendations? In-Reply-To: <1115092889.10075.1.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1115046913.22554.19.camel@phoenix.hhp> <1115092889.10075.1.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <42791DDB.700@hosef.org> Sudev Barar wrote: > On Mon, 2005-05-02 at 11:15 -0400, Henry Burroughs wrote: > >>I'm thinking about making my file backup server 64 bit. Any >>recommendations on processor models and motherboards? I will probably >>run Centos or RHEL 4.0. > > > Have had good working with AMD64 MSI motherboards. But watch out that > you buy one with Via SATA controller since Sil/Ati drivers are not > available. Alternate (that also has been used by me) is to plug in a Via > PCI SATA card and get going. I love the Tyan dual and single Opteron Boards. http://www.tyan.com/products/html/opteron.html We use them in all of our K12LTSP installs. --scott From niurkaholt at cantv.net Wed May 4 19:14:00 2005 From: niurkaholt at cantv.net (Richard/n) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 15:14:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] IceWM and some KDE apps In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200505041514.03850.niurkaholt@cantv.net> On Wednesday 04 May 2005 01:48 pm, Christopher Butler wrote: > > I have discovered KStars! And I want to show it to one of our science > teachers, but I am trying to restrict all the clients to IceWM (instead of > KDE or Gnome). Sounds like you're missing a library. I use IceWM but have most of Kde installed for the libraries. What OS are you using? Check to see what requires Kstars. Richard. > Anyway, KStars runs okay, but when I right-click on a star and try to open > an image, I get an error that says > "Could not start process Can't talk to klauncher" > > So, any ideas on how to get around this? > > Thanks, > Christopher Butler > Director of Technology > Shore Country Day School > Beverly, MA 01915 From scott at hosef.org Wed May 4 19:15:14 2005 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 09:15:14 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] SATA hot-swap hardware recommendations In-Reply-To: <1115040564.22554.10.camel@phoenix.hhp> References: <1115040564.22554.10.camel@phoenix.hhp> Message-ID: <42791F42.2000306@hosef.org> Henry Burroughs wrote: > I'm looking to build a file backup server, and I want to use SATA and > have a hot swap drive internal drive enclosure. Can anyone recommend > good hardware to do this with? ie: a motherboard or controller and/or > enclosure that will work properly under Linux and allow me to remove a > drive live (the drive will be an off-site copy of the data). One word, Henry: 3ware. Go to newegg.com and search for this product. They make exceptional hardware raid controllers with kernel support. Their drive enclosures are elegant, and you can of course remove a drive while the system is live. There is a web-based management tool that allows one to stop the drive. A script called from convenient desktop icons would be better, but ... > > Henry Burroughs > Technology Director > Hilton Head Preparatory School > www.hhprep.org --scott From cbutler at shoreschool.org Wed May 4 19:18:48 2005 From: cbutler at shoreschool.org (Christopher Butler) Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 15:18:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] IceWM and some KDE apps In-Reply-To: <200505041514.03850.niurkaholt@cantv.net> References: <200505041514.03850.niurkaholt@cantv.net> Message-ID: Thanks for the quick response. In the meantime, I kept searching the internet and finally found someone who was getting the same error message when trying to do something with Konquerer. He tried running "klauncher" from a terminal window which complained and told him to run "kdeinit" which complained, but did the trick for him. So, I tried the same thing. 1. "klauncher" does NOT want to be run from a terminal window. 2. "kdeinit" complains that it thought that something was already running, but ends with success. After running "kdeinit" I can go back to kstars and the right-click feature works so I can download pictures (no more klauncher errors). Obviously, this is a solution, but not a good one. So, my question now is, how do I get kdeinit to run correctly on login? Thanks, Christopher Butler Director of Technology Shore Country Day School Beverly, MA 01915 cbutler at shoreschool.org richard.holt at gmail.com on Wednesday, May 04, 2005 at 3:14 PM -0500 wrote: >On Wednesday 04 May 2005 01:48 pm, Christopher Butler wrote: >> >> I have discovered KStars! And I want to show it to one of our >science >> teachers, but I am trying to restrict all the clients to IceWM >(instead of >> KDE or Gnome). > >Sounds like you're missing a library. >I use IceWM but have most of Kde installed for the libraries. >What OS are you using? Check to see what requires Kstars. > >Richard. > >> Anyway, KStars runs okay, but when I right-click on a star and try >to open >> an image, I get an error that says >> "Could not start process Can't talk to klauncher" >> >> So, any ideas on how to get around this? >> >> Thanks, >> Christopher Butler >> Director of Technology >> Shore Country Day School >> Beverly, MA 01915 > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see From jhansknecht at hanstech.com Wed May 4 18:19:10 2005 From: jhansknecht at hanstech.com (John Hansknecht) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 14:19:10 -0400 Subject: [ok-mail] [K12OSN] TeacherTool question In-Reply-To: <200504261240.11067.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> References: <200504261240.11067.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> Message-ID: <200505041419.10398.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> Hi folks, Second attempt for a little help, does anyone know how to set up permissions so that teachers without Root privileges can run TeacherTools? I can run it as root, and have tried setting it UID for Root while the Teachers have group rights but still TeacherTools works for the root users but not for the teachers. Thank you very much for any help anyone can offer! John On Tuesday 26 April 2005 12:40, John Hansknecht wrote: > Hi folks, > > I just copied the teacher tool script to my ltsp server. It works great for > the root user but the teachers I give access do can't kill processes or > logout users because they don't have the right permissions. What is the > correct way to get the permissions set so that: > 1) Only the teachers can run the script (I am doing this with a group) > 2) So that it runs with the correct permissions (root?) so that it has the > authority to kill user processes or logoff users? From scott at hosef.org Wed May 4 19:22:51 2005 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 09:22:51 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] A little evangelism In-Reply-To: References: <42763F36.2070800@mtwp.net> <42767F04.4060009@mtwp.net> Message-ID: <4279210B.7030408@hosef.org> David Trask wrote: > Steve Hargadon on Monday, May 2, 2005 at 3:53 > PM +0000 wrote: > >>I think the newest updates to k12ltsp have that .conf file with ppc >>already in there. >> >>OK, let's be sure to connect on that! > > > You're right....it works out of the box. I boot my ibook simply by > holidng down the "N" key This will be a tremendous showcase for the K12LTSP; kudos to you guys spending time (and money) to put it together. When we did this for the Pacific Telecommunication Conference http://www.hosef.org/gallery/PTC a table was set up for those with their own laptops. This did not expose them to Linux, but it was appreciated. We had to shorten the renewal time for the dhcp leases, though, since people came and went. My unsolicited piece of advice: be prepared for users wanting to plug in their usb keychains. We did not prepare for this and a few people were disappointed. With the recent work and documentation on this, it seems pretty possible. > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 --scott From jim at winonacotter.org Wed May 4 19:32:29 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 14:32:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Simple Setup In-Reply-To: <1115228635.15419.20.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <003401c550e0$027781d0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > The SME server has nearly identical (but outdated) programs > providing services. You can do all the same and more with > Fedora but you have to work with each program's configuration > separately instead of using the web administration interface > that is included with the SME server (and which makes it hard > to update the system...). You might like to use webmin for > most of the setup. If you started with a k12ltsp > installation, you should have an 'install additional > software' folder on the desktop and one of the choices should > be 'Get webmin'. Do that, then https://your_server:10000. I'll add to Les' recommendation. Here is my recommendation for the software to use for your listed services: Web - Apache E-Mail - Postfix FTP - VSFTPD Windows Domain Controller - SAMBA/LDAP Script Now I doubt you'll find an easy tutorial for setting this up since you are covering such a broad range of possibilities and options. It mostly will depend on how you want to use each service. As an example serving web pages with dynamic content will add to your Apache setup by possibly needing MySQL and PHP. With email and postfix you may want to do spam filtering or have webmail access, now you might have to install Razor and SpamAssassin and SquirrelMail. So start by installing the basic above (yum install apache postfix vsftpd) and download and run the SAMBA/LDAP script from http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/smbldap/ and go from there. I am sure any questions you have after installing the basics will be able to be answered here. Or if you have more specific uses for each service maybe we could point you to the appropriate tutorial for that service/setup. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From lsrpm-1 at shaw.ca Wed May 4 19:36:50 2005 From: lsrpm-1 at shaw.ca (Liam Marshall) Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 14:36:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Version Number Message-ID: <2a7fb612a85d11.2a85d112a7fb61@shaw.ca> It is nearing the end of the school year. I started the year in my lab with 4.1.x and now have 4.2 Every summer I wipe the server and reload from scratch, usually because I have discovered major things I would like to change setup wise. This year is no different. What is the likelyhood of another new production revision coming out before June or early July. I know there is a new version out now,(4.2.1) but will there be yet another by early summer? If so, I will skip 4.2.1 and wait for it. Please advice P.S. I am not trying to rush anyone, just curious From les at futuresource.com Wed May 4 19:47:07 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 14:47:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SATA hot-swap hardware recommendations In-Reply-To: <42791F42.2000306@hosef.org> References: <1115040564.22554.10.camel@phoenix.hhp> <42791F42.2000306@hosef.org> Message-ID: <1115236027.15419.43.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-05-04 at 14:15, R. Scott Belford wrote: > Henry Burroughs wrote: > > I'm looking to build a file backup server, and I want to use SATA and > > have a hot swap drive internal drive enclosure. Can anyone recommend > > good hardware to do this with? ie: a motherboard or controller and/or > > enclosure that will work properly under Linux and allow me to remove a > > drive live (the drive will be an off-site copy of the data). > > One word, Henry: 3ware. Go to newegg.com and search for this product. > They make exceptional hardware raid controllers with kernel support. > Their drive enclosures are elegant, and you can of course remove a drive > while the system is live. There is a web-based management tool that > allows one to stop the drive. A script called from convenient desktop > icons would be better, but ... You may or may not consider it important to be able to easily mount the same drive into some (any?) other machine. You can get this by either getting a matching enclosure for an offsite location or by using one with USB capability. If you are using hardware raid you probably need exactly matching spare hardware to use the drive at all elsewhere, so buy two at the same time. I'm still having trouble with FC3 and firewire, but I do like having the ability to plug the USB connector into my laptop and restore backups from the external drive. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jon.spriggs at gmail.com Wed May 4 19:49:14 2005 From: jon.spriggs at gmail.com (Jon Spriggs) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 20:49:14 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] How to Promote Linux Training to a Library? Message-ID: <96df2e0b0505041249171ff28@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, I've recently approached my local Library (which currently runs "Taster" sessions on the Internet, Word, Excel and so forth to the general public one night a month) about the possibility of running a "Free and Open Source Software" taster session... Now, I've been given the name of someone in the Local Council who can give the go ahead on running these taster sessions, but I was wondering whether anyone else here has done anything like this (I don't work for the council, nor the library, I just wanted to help) and whether anyone has any suggestions on topics one can cover on something like this. I'm thinking OpenOffice.Org and Firefox, then Linux. As always, the Library will be thinking about what I'm trying to achieve by this, but how do I persuade them that all I'm after is giving the library users a chance to avoid getting locked into a Proprietary world...? Any suggestions? -- Jon "Four Star Gun" Spriggs AKA Jon "The Nice Guy" Spriggs From jhansknecht at hanstech.com Wed May 4 19:49:45 2005 From: jhansknecht at hanstech.com (John Hansknecht) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 15:49:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/OpenLDAP or MS ADS (or maybe NDS)... Message-ID: <200505041549.45150.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> OK, we are finally going to replace our WindowsNT domain which is our current authentication method for Windows and LTSP clients. I am currently evaluating the options. I have a couple of specific questions regarding the Samba/OpenLDAP solutions. First, the following I believe are correct statements. Please let me know if I am wrong on any of them Samba / Open LDAP will: 1) Allow computers running Windows XP Prof to 'join the domain' 2) Authenticate users logging in from Windows XP Prof. clients. 3) Handle providing a logon script to Users logging on From Windows XP Prof clients 4) Handle mapping to profile server for roaming profiles for Windows XP Prof clients But, my question is how do you handle group policies. Is anyone aware of a tool that will create/apply proper group policy files to use as part of this Samba / OpenLDAP solution? If not, how are you handling policies? Is it working satisfactorily for you? -- Thanks, John The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. - Mattrol at uscom.com (Drakmere) From haysja at sages.us Wed May 4 19:59:42 2005 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 14:59:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] How to Promote Linux Training to a Library? In-Reply-To: <96df2e0b0505041249171ff28@mail.gmail.com> References: <96df2e0b0505041249171ff28@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <427929AE.1010604@sages.us> You don't have to go into any dialogue about getting locked into a proprietary world. Your selling point to do this is to show the public what software tools are available for FREE. I would show OpenOffice, Firefox, and Thunderbird making sure you show them on Windows AND Linux. Only after showing these applications would I show and discuss Linux. The "selling" point is that you don't have anything to sell. Jon Spriggs wrote: >Hi all, > >I've recently approached my local Library (which currently runs >"Taster" sessions on the Internet, Word, Excel and so forth to the >general public one night a month) about the possibility of running a >"Free and Open Source Software" taster session... > >Now, I've been given the name of someone in the Local Council who can >give the go ahead on running these taster sessions, but I was >wondering whether anyone else here has done anything like this (I >don't work for the council, nor the library, I just wanted to help) >and whether anyone has any suggestions on topics one can cover on >something like this. > >I'm thinking OpenOffice.Org and Firefox, then Linux. > >As always, the Library will be thinking about what I'm trying to >achieve by this, but how do I persuade them that all I'm after is >giving the library users a chance to avoid getting locked into a >Proprietary world...? > >Any suggestions? > > > From aslansreturn at yahoo.com Wed May 4 20:20:54 2005 From: aslansreturn at yahoo.com (richard ingalls) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 13:20:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] New FC3 server, how to export /home correctly? Message-ID: <20050504202054.9131.qmail@web52906.mail.yahoo.com> I have successfully installed FC3 via NFS to 2 classroom servers and will install to a third tomorrow. TONIGHT, I want to set up the "main" server that will export /home out to the other servers. What do I need to do to make sure that I set up this server correctly? I have installed all of these FC3 boxes with NO firewall and NO SELinux. Please tell me what settings should be in /etc/exports and /etc/fstab and all the others settings that need to be tweaked on the /home server and the other servers. Thank you. __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail From robark at gmail.com Wed May 4 20:39:12 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 13:39:12 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] bigmem or hugemem with 4.2.1 or 4.1.1? In-Reply-To: <0IFY0071A6O07R@l-daemon> References: <0IFY0071A6O07R@l-daemon> Message-ID: There has to be somebody with more than 4GB. Anyone using a hugemem kernel? I can't find it in 4.x.x -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From jim at winonacotter.org Wed May 4 21:07:22 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 16:07:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Move Users from Standard Unix Accounts to SAMBA/LDAP In-Reply-To: <003301c550d3$af7b44a0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <003501c550ed$43977dc0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > So here is what I need help with. I need to move all data > from /home on the WBEL server to /home on the FC3 server. I > will be exporting the /home from the FC3 server back to the > WBEL server. I will then be setting the WBEL server to auth > via LDAP to the FC3 server (which has SAMBA/LDAP). Not to > complicated so far. But here is the catch, of course all of > the files in /home on the WBEL server have permissions with > Unix accounts and ID's, how do I get the new SAMBA/LDAP > accounts to match the permissions on the moved /home data? Dave, I found this post from early February when I first was toying with the idea. ------------start old post------------- I've actually done this....what I did was create my user accounts on my Samba/LDAP server.....then I moved the homedirs....then I reran the user script to fix permissions on the folders. The usernames must be exactly the same though. David N. Trask ------------end old post--------------- So you are saying to install SAMBA/LDAP, run the bulk user add script. Move the /home directories from the old server to the new one. Then rerun the bulk user script to fix things with the same user list? Scary but I'll give it a try :-) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From ascensiontech at gmail.com Wed May 4 22:18:42 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Ascension Tech) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 18:18:42 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Good AMD 64 bit system recomendations? In-Reply-To: <42791DDB.700@hosef.org> References: <1115046913.22554.19.camel@phoenix.hhp> <1115092889.10075.1.camel@server.ltsp> <42791DDB.700@hosef.org> Message-ID: <9bd3175605050415186dfe45a7@mail.gmail.com> Yes we love our dual opteron board too. The 2882 we have has the sil sata chipset and drives are recognized seperately. I don't mind because I'm told that onboard raid always utilizes the cpu anyway. Apparently you'll only get the full speed benefit from something like a 3ware card. -Peter On 5/4/05, R. Scott Belford wrote: > Sudev Barar wrote: > > On Mon, 2005-05-02 at 11:15 -0400, Henry Burroughs wrote: > > > >>I'm thinking about making my file backup server 64 bit. Any > >>recommendations on processor models and motherboards? I will probably > >>run Centos or RHEL 4.0. > > > > > > Have had good working with AMD64 MSI motherboards. But watch out that > > you buy one with Via SATA controller since Sil/Ati drivers are not > > available. Alternate (that also has been used by me) is to plug in a Via > > PCI SATA card and get going. > > I love the Tyan dual and single Opteron Boards. > > http://www.tyan.com/products/html/opteron.html > > We use them in all of our K12LTSP installs. > > --scott > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From ericbrown at mi-spot.com Thu May 5 01:08:32 2005 From: ericbrown at mi-spot.com (Eric Brown) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 20:08:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Gcj vs javac Message-ID: <200505050056.j450uah19589@www.mi-spot.com> Hello All, I'm preparing for an eventual programming class in Java. I had a few semesters of Java in college. I tried the very simple "Hello World" using gcj, only to have it tell me it didn't know what main was ("undefined reference to main"). I usually figure I made the mistake, so I googled Hello World, and copied and pasted someone else's code and still got the same error. How different is gcj vs javac? Will I mess up my terminal server setup if I install Sun's SDK? Any strong feelings or success stories about any IDE's? I'd just stick with gedit, but I'd like it to do a little more for me. Thanks, Eric Viva la Open Source! From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Thu May 5 02:02:27 2005 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 20:02:27 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: NIS? Message-ID: Hello Tim, I run an K12LTSP server with 50 clients and also have 60 stand-alones authenticating from it using NIS and NFS. What do you mean by Scanning? Jim Message: 9 Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 14:13:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Timothy Legge Subject: [K12OSN] NIS? To: k12osn at redhat.com Message-ID: <20050503181358.3433.qmail at web88212.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi I am sure this has been discussed but here are my requirements. I have at least one fat client Linux PC that will be used for Scanning. I would like to be able to 1) use the same user id and password as on the K12LTSP clients 2) I would like to mount the K12LTSP home directory for the user who signs on. I am assuming some combination of NIS and something else is the answer to my problem but a few pointers would be appreciated. While I am not uninterested in LDAP, the LDAPSamba solution discussed on the list seems like overkill for my issue. Any thoughts/pointers? Tim From HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG Thu May 5 02:04:00 2005 From: HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Burroughs, Henry) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 22:04:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Using PCI video instead of PCI-Express w/ Opteron board: Asus K8N-DL? Message-ID: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D78420646661@hhpmail.MEDIA.LOCAL> I am about finished with my wishlist for my disk-backup server. The board I am looking at getting is a Asus K8N-DL board which has PCI-express. Right now since it will be a non-video 64-bit system, I would like to know if I can use an old 8 meg PCI video card that I have lying around. You can check out my wishlist here: http://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/Wishlist/WishShareShow.asp?ID=1491351&WishListTitle=Backup+Server Thanks! Henry From robark at gmail.com Thu May 5 02:12:30 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 19:12:30 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Gcj vs javac In-Reply-To: <200505050056.j450uah19589@www.mi-spot.com> References: <200505050056.j450uah19589@www.mi-spot.com> Message-ID: On 5/4/05, Eric Brown wrote: > Any strong feelings or success stories about any IDE's? I'd just stick with > gedit, but I'd like it to do a little more for me. Anjuta -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu May 5 02:29:11 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 19:29:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Version Number In-Reply-To: <2a7fb612a85d11.2a85d112a7fb61@shaw.ca> References: <2a7fb612a85d11.2a85d112a7fb61@shaw.ca> Message-ID: On Wed, 4 May 2005, Liam Marshall wrote: > It is nearing the end of the school year. I started the year in my lab with 4.1.x and now have 4.2 > > Every summer I wipe the server and reload from scratch, usually because I have discovered major things I would like to change setup wise. This year is no different. > > What is the likelyhood of another new production revision coming out before June or early July. I know there is a new version out now,(4.2.1) but will there be yet another by early summer? If so, I will skip 4.2.1 and wait for it. > > Please advice > > P.S. I am not trying to rush anyone, just curious If you have K12LTSP 4.2.0 installed, just run "yum update" (or "up2date -u" or "apt-get update; apt-get upgrade" if you prefer) and the latest-n- greatest packages will be installed. Within a major version (3.1.x, 4.0.x, 4.1.x, 4.2.x), you don't need to use the ISOs to upgrade to the next minor version (x). After applying all of the updated packages, look at the k12ltsp-release file to see that you have the newer version: cat /etc/k12ltsp-release As for your question about the schedule for the next major version, I've been mulling that over for the last couple of days. I'll post my thoughts in the very near future. In general, it is safe to say that there will be a new major release by mid-summer. As you can see from the K12LTSP release history, I have consistantly put out a new major release approx. every six months. The last major release was December 2004: http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Releases -Eric From robark at gmail.com Thu May 5 02:32:37 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 19:32:37 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] 64 clients off 1 server needs 6GB Message-ID: My school has a dual Xeon 2.8 with 4GB plus scsi drives and gigabit uplink to the server. It easily runs 32 clients all running Firefox and OOo using 3GB and ~30-40% cpu with Icewm. However, I want to pitch another k12ltsp lab by simply bumping the ram to up to 6GB. My problem is that I can't find the hugemem kernel in either 4.2.1 or 4.1.1 distro. Centos/RHEL has it so I know it exists. Is FC limited to 4GB on i686 arch? -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From ddaniels at magic.fr Thu May 5 01:43:02 2005 From: ddaniels at magic.fr (ddaniels at magic.fr) Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 18:43:02 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] To cool In-Reply-To: <96bd2d70050504103461f69c5c@mail.gmail.com> References: <96bd2d70050504103461f69c5c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42797A26.7090808@magic.fr> :) stacey pacquette wrote: > Greetings everyone, I'm new to this board and Linux as well. I > downloaded K12LTSP, burned it to CD, and in about an hour had the > server setup on a dell GX400 and by the next day had booted a few > different computers from the server. All worked good using PXE except > for an emachine that is a about two-three years old; a floppy boot > across the network ended up working for this one. > > > This is the coolest stuff since sliced bread. I can't believe it. > I've been looking at much linux the last couple of weeks or so, and > feel like jimmy skippin down the path leaving a trail of purple and > green, ar, ar. Linux Rocks. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > -- lost and found: www.dennisgdaniels.com http://www.dennisgdaniels.thinkingdistance.org/test/ http://del.icio.us/ddaniels http://dgd.stumbleupon.com/ dennisgdaniels at gmail.com 951 347 9711 skype: dennisdaniels EOF -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In the FC3 2.6.11-1.14 kernels at least, the max memory for a uni-processor kernel is 4G and a multi-processor is 64G This command will tell you if the kernel you are running supports 4G or 64G: grep ^CONFIG_HIGHMEM /boot/config-`uname -r` -Eric From robark at gmail.com Thu May 5 03:24:19 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 20:24:19 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] 64 clients off 1 server needs 6GB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 5/4/05, Eric Harrison wrote: > In the FC3 2.6.11-1.14 kernels at least, the max memory for a > uni-processor kernel is 4G and a multi-processor is 64G > > This command will tell you if the kernel you are running > supports 4G or 64G: > > grep ^CONFIG_HIGHMEM /boot/config-`uname -r` Much thanks Eric. So I guess the new SMP kernels have huge memory support built in. Curious though why does RHEL have a separate hugemem kernel then? PS My k12ltsp lab has been up for 1 year now and other teachers are finally realizing the benefits and beginning to want the same setup. :) -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From perrye at gilfillan.org Thu May 5 05:37:12 2005 From: perrye at gilfillan.org (Perry Gilfillan) Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 00:37:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Kernel with support for more than 4 Gig ram - HUGEMEM64G - In-Reply-To: <20050505023253.6FDA5738B3@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050505023253.6FDA5738B3@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4279B108.4040303@gilfillan.org> The kernel config option for more than 4 Gig ram is CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G I'm using FC3, not K12LTSP, but we should have the same kernels? If you try 'grep HIGHMEM64G /boot/config*' you will see what installed kernels should support HUGEMEM64G. This is what I find: $ grep HIGHMEM64G /boot/config-2.6.* /boot/config-2.6.11-1.14_FC3smp:CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G=y /boot/config-2.6.9-1.667:# CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G is not set /boot/config-2.6.9-1.667smp:CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G=y /boot/config-2.6.9-1.715_FC3hugemem:CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G=y Perhaps all smp kernels are good to go? Cheers, Perry From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Thu May 5 08:03:49 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 09:03:49 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/OpenLDAP or MS ADS (or maybe NDS)... In-Reply-To: <200505041549.45150.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> References: <200505041549.45150.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> Message-ID: <4279D365.9060407@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> John Hansknecht wrote: > OK, we are finally going to replace our WindowsNT domain which is our current > authentication method for Windows and LTSP clients. I am currently evaluating > the options. I have a couple of specific questions regarding the > Samba/OpenLDAP solutions. > First, the following I believe are correct statements. Please let me know if I > am wrong on any of them > Samba / Open LDAP will: > 1) Allow computers running Windows XP Prof to 'join the domain' Yes, we currently run Samba 2.2.7 PDC and XP Pro joins no problem > 2) Authenticate users logging in from Windows XP Prof. clients. Yep > 3) Handle providing a logon script to Users logging on From Windows XP Prof > clients Yep, we use Kixstart to allow a little more control of login scripts > 4) Handle mapping to profile server for roaming profiles for Windows XP Prof > clients Roaming profiles work. You have to be a little careful what you include with profiles as it can make logging in and out a bit slow. I have read somewhere on the web about a school who altered the registry on there machines so the profile always lived on the network so it was never downloaded. > > > But, my question is how do you handle group policies. Is anyone aware of a > tool that will create/apply proper group policy files to use as part of this > Samba / OpenLDAP solution? If not, how are you handling policies? Is it > working satisfactorily for you? > As far as I'm aware Samba doesn't do group policies we use single policies it's a bit long winded but work for use as we don't use policies much. I'm in the process of moving to Samba / LDAP 3 this summer. Brian Chivers Portsmouth College --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From tlegge at rogers.com Thu May 5 09:30:08 2005 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 06:30:08 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: NIS? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4279E7A0.3030809@rogers.com> Jim Christiansen wrote: > Hello Tim, > > I run an K12LTSP server with 50 clients and also have 60 stand-alones > authenticating from it using NIS and NFS. What do you mean by Scanning? Sorry, I was not clear. I have a flatbed scanner connected to the fat client as it is easier to setup than connecting it to a thin client. Tim From Linux_Man at comcast.net Thu May 5 10:12:48 2005 From: Linux_Man at comcast.net (Brian Beck) Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 06:12:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] 64 clients off 1 server needs 6GB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4279F1A0.2090905@comcast.net> Robert Arkiletian wrote: >Much thanks Eric. So I guess the new SMP kernels have huge memory >support built in. Curious though why does RHEL have a separate hugemem >kernel then? > >PS My k12ltsp lab has been up for 1 year now and other teachers are >finally realizing the benefits and beginning to want the same setup. >:) > That would most likely because the Hugemem patch, like the Highmem patch, gives a minor performance drop if you're not using it. If you're using it, though, obviously the performance of an extra 2GB of RAM outweighs any miniscule slowdown. From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu May 5 10:36:49 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 03:36:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] New FC3 server, how to export /home correctly? In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050505103649.71350.qmail@web41626.mail.yahoo.com> --- richard ingalls wrote: > tomorrow. TONIGHT, I want to set up the "main" > server > that will export /home out to the other servers. > > Please tell me what settings should be in > /etc/exports > and /etc/fstab and all the others settings that need > to be tweaked on the /home server and the other > servers. Richard, On the "main" server, /etc/exports should contain this: /home 192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0(rw) (substitute in your correct network address. the rw option at the end is for read-write access) On the servers that need to nfs-mount /home, you need this in /etc/fstab: main.server.net:/ /home nfs rsize=8192,wsize=8192 0 0 (substitute in the correct name or IP address of your "main" server) (the "rsize..." option is supposed to increase the throughput of the nfs connection. Others on this list may have suggestions for additional options to add. All options should be separated by a comma and no spaces.) You can see "man exports", "man fstab", and "man nfs" if you run into trouble. Besides this, all I can think of that you need to do is to make sure that nfs is running on all these machines. You may have samba running, but samba is not used for mounting /home. You need nfs. -Rob Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the weekend. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/weekend.html From gumprechtm at msln.net Thu May 5 10:38:28 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 06:38:28 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] To cool In-Reply-To: <96bd2d70050504103461f69c5c@mail.gmail.com> References: <96bd2d70050504103461f69c5c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4279F7A4.8030908@msln.net> Welcome Stacey, Just wait...... it get's better! Mark stacey pacquette wrote: > Greetings everyone, I'm new to this board and Linux as well. I > downloaded K12LTSP, burned it to CD, and in about an hour had the > server setup on a dell GX400 and by the next day had booted a few > different computers from the server. All worked good using PXE except > for an emachine that is a about two-three years old; a floppy boot > across the network ended up working for this one. > > > This is the coolest stuff since sliced bread. I can't believe it. > I've been looking at much linux the last couple of weeks or so, and > feel like jimmy skippin down the path leaving a trail of purple and > green, ar, ar. Linux Rocks. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu May 5 10:44:44 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 03:44:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] OT: alternative to MS Frontpage Message-ID: <20050505104444.11775.qmail@web41603.mail.yahoo.com> I was hoping to install a mini lab in my church's youth center, but I just discovered that the church's website is done with Frontpage and cannot be viewed in Firefox. This will cause some difficulties gaining linux acceptance, as you might imagine. I'd like to approach the designer (a volunteer) about changing his ways, but I'd like to be armed with some good alternatives to using Frontpage. Since I don't use Frontpage, I don't know what features it has. And since I'm not much of a web designer, it's tough for me to pick out a good alternative by reading a list of features. Can anybody recommend something that will make standards-compliant webpages, and that a Frontpage user would be happy using? Thanks -Rob __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From patnewsletters at ip-wizard.com Thu May 5 11:40:23 2005 From: patnewsletters at ip-wizard.com (Pat) Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 06:40:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: alternative to MS Frontpage In-Reply-To: <20050505104444.11775.qmail@web41603.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050505104444.11775.qmail@web41603.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <427A0627.9080101@ip-wizard.com> Rob Owens wrote: > I was hoping to install a mini lab in my church's > youth center, but I just discovered that the church's > website is done with Frontpage and cannot be viewed in > Firefox. This will cause some difficulties gaining > linux acceptance, as you might imagine. I'd like to > approach the designer (a volunteer) about changing his > ways, but I'd like to be armed with some good > alternatives to using Frontpage. > > Since I don't use Frontpage, I don't know what > features it has. And since I'm not much of a web > designer, it's tough for me to pick out a good > alternative by reading a list of features. Can > anybody recommend something that will make > standards-compliant webpages, and that a Frontpage > user would be happy using? > > Thanks > > -Rob > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Make Yahoo! your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > Take a look at http://www.nvu.com/ AFAIK it's as close to Front Page as you can find. I don't use it myself, so I can't speak directly to it's 'quality' but my daughter plays with it a little and doesn't seem to have any issues. Pat From bskahan at gmail.com Thu May 5 11:47:50 2005 From: bskahan at gmail.com (Brian Skahan) Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 07:47:50 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: alternative to MS Frontpage In-Reply-To: <20050505104444.11775.qmail@web41603.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050505104444.11775.qmail@web41603.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 5/5/05, Rob Owens wrote: > Since I don't use Frontpage, I don't know what > features it has. And since I'm not much of a web > designer, it's tough for me to pick out a good > alternative by reading a list of features. Can > anybody recommend something that will make > standards-compliant webpages, and that a Frontpage > user would be happy using? Take a look at Nvu the current incarnation of the Mozilla composer. http://www.nvu.com/ Its probably not quite as simple as Front Page, but it's supposed to be a solid WYSIWYG tool that will work on Linux. -Brian -- Brian Skahan http://bskahan.etria.com From accessys at smart.net Thu May 5 12:19:27 2005 From: accessys at smart.net (Access Systems) Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 08:19:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] OT: alternative to MS Frontpage In-Reply-To: <20050505104444.11775.qmail@web41603.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050505104444.11775.qmail@web41603.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 5 May 2005, Rob Owens wrote: > I was hoping to install a mini lab in my church's > youth center, but I just discovered that the church's > website is done with Frontpage and cannot be viewed in > Firefox. This will cause some difficulties gaining > linux acceptance, as you might imagine. I'd like to > approach the designer (a volunteer) about changing his > ways, but I'd like to be armed with some good > alternatives to using Frontpage. for what it is worth, websites designed like that are not considered ADA (Americans With Disabilities Act) Compliant since they cannot be view or read with a text browser. While a church would most likely be exempt from the law is certainly would be an indication of "exclusion" and not the kind of impression most churches would probably want to project. so even if they remain with M$ the designer should either learn how to use CSS in frontpage. or use a web design system that will work in ALL browsers especially text browsers. which are required for many of the adaptive computer systems to function correctly.. 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They are intended ONLY for the individual or entity named From jhansknecht at hanstech.com Thu May 5 12:04:57 2005 From: jhansknecht at hanstech.com (John Hansknecht) Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 08:04:57 -0400 Subject: [ok-mail] [K12OSN] OT: alternative to MS Frontpage In-Reply-To: <20050505104444.11775.qmail@web41603.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050505104444.11775.qmail@web41603.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200505050804.57884.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> On Thursday 05 May 2005 06:44, Rob Owens wrote: > I was hoping to install a mini lab in my church's > youth center, but I just discovered that the church's > website is done with Frontpage and cannot be viewed in > Firefox. This will cause some difficulties gaining > linux acceptance, as you might imagine. I'd like to > approach the designer (a volunteer) about changing his > ways, but I'd like to be armed with some good > alternatives to using Frontpage. > As an alternative if you can't get him to switch is to get him to modify the settings in Frontpage to support a web site that is Firefox compatible. If he opens Frontpage, opens the web site and then goes to Tools > Page Options there is a "compatability" tab that allows you to set your expected client web browsers. If he sets it for "both Internet Explorer and Navigator" it will stop using the features that work only with Internet Explorer. One thing though, I don't know if this will fix the existing pages on the site, only prevent him from using the IE only features going forward. -- Thanks, John The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. - Mattrol at uscom.com (Drakmere) From petre at maltzen.net Thu May 5 13:13:41 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 08:13:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: how to boot PPC LiveCDs Message-ID: <427A1C05.9070806@maltzen.net> OT: How to I make a Mac boot from a LiveCD? Just press the C key while it boots? Any other ways? Does it depend on the vintage of the Mac? I'm meeting with a couple of tech teachers tomorrow to talk about OSS. I thought I'd take along an Ubuntu and Kubuntu LiveCDs for PPC--the school is virtually all Macs--to give them as a demonstration of the clever things people can come up with when given the freedom to do so. I got the ISOs and burned them, but when I tried them last night in my neighbors iMac (has the translucent blue backside) and iMac laptop (white, like a giant iPod), by pressing the C key while it booted, neither of them would boot from the CD. It is possible the CDs are no good, as I've had some trouble in the past few weeks of burning CDs and them not being readable; but that's only been about 10% of the time. But I wanted to be sure I'm doing the right thing to make the Macs try to boot from them. TIA Petre From jim at winonacotter.org Thu May 5 13:43:00 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 08:43:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: how to boot PPC LiveCDs In-Reply-To: <427A1C05.9070806@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <000a01c55178$5abc6a70$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > OT: How to I make a Mac boot from a LiveCD? Just press the C > key while it boots? Any > other ways? Does it depend on the vintage of the Mac? Holding the C key will boot CD's. You can also hold the option key while booting to bring up a list of all bootable devices currently on that machine, then you select the one you want to boot and click an arrow. But my guess is if it isn't booting for some reason the machine thinks the disk isn't bootable. I have never made a LiveCD let alone one for a Mac so I am not sure what you need to do to be sure it is mac bootable, but hopefully someone else here does. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From petre at maltzen.net Thu May 5 13:59:36 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 08:59:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: how to boot PPC LiveCDs In-Reply-To: <000a01c55178$5abc6a70$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000a01c55178$5abc6a70$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <427A26C8.9020901@maltzen.net> Since they're ISO files, just like the ones for x86, I assumed I just used the same cdrecord syntax to burn them. But perhaps not? If any of you Mac folks could get the LiveCD ISO, burn it and test it, I'd appreciate it. Ubuntu can be gotten at http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/5.04/ and Kubuntu can be gotten at http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/hoary/ BTW, Jim, thanks for all the terrific work you've done getting Macs to work as clients, thin & chubby. If it's okay with you, I may suggest to the teachers that they take an 'excursion' down to Winona to see what you've done. I think you're only a couple hours drive away (I'm in Minneapolis). Petre Jim Kronebusch wrote: >>OT: How to I make a Mac boot from a LiveCD? Just press the C >>key while it boots? Any >>other ways? Does it depend on the vintage of the Mac? > > > Holding the C key will boot CD's. You can also hold the option key > while booting to bring up a list of all bootable devices currently on > that machine, then you select the one you want to boot and click an > arrow. But my guess is if it isn't booting for some reason the machine > thinks the disk isn't bootable. I have never made a LiveCD let alone > one for a Mac so I am not sure what you need to do to be sure it is mac > bootable, but hopefully someone else here does. > > From efeldhusen at chartermi.net Thu May 5 14:17:46 2005 From: efeldhusen at chartermi.net (Eric Feldhusen) Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 10:17:46 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: how to boot PPC LiveCDs In-Reply-To: <427A26C8.9020901@maltzen.net> References: <000a01c55178$5abc6a70$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> <427A26C8.9020901@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <427A2B0A.8070202@chartermi.net> Petre Scheie wrote: > Since they're ISO files, just like the ones for x86, I assumed I just > used the same cdrecord syntax to burn them. But perhaps not? Sorry, I haven't had a chance to check those particular cd's, but yes, just burn them like any other iso file, and you should be all set. I make iso files of all my mac os x cd's, so I can store the originals and it's worked with no problems. Eric Feldhusen From luis.montes at cox.net Thu May 5 15:21:58 2005 From: luis.montes at cox.net (Luis Montes) Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 08:21:58 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Gcj vs javac In-Reply-To: <200505050056.j450uah19589@www.mi-spot.com> References: <200505050056.j450uah19589@www.mi-spot.com> Message-ID: <427A3A16.7040701@cox.net> I'd recommend installing Sun's jdk. Works fine on k12ltsp. http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp I'd just pull down the jdk (not the jre, or the jdk+netbeans bundle) Then make sure the bin directory is in your $PATH also I'd set $JAVA_HOME to the directory the jdk was installed to. Probably /usr/local/java/j2sdkxxx or something like that if you used the RPM As far as IDEs I'd go with eclipse For teaching java to younger people, you may also want to look here: http://members.cox.net/luis.montes Luis Eric Brown wrote: >Hello All, > >I'm preparing for an eventual programming class in Java. I had a few >semesters of Java in college. I tried the very simple "Hello World" using >gcj, only to have it tell me it didn't know what main was ("undefined >reference to main"). I usually figure I made the mistake, so I googled >Hello >World, and copied and pasted someone else's code and still got the same >error. > >How different is gcj vs javac? Will I mess up my terminal server setup if I >install Sun's SDK? > >Any strong feelings or success stories about any IDE's? I'd just stick with >gedit, but I'd like it to do a little more for me. > >Thanks, >Eric > >Viva la Open Source! > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From spowers at inlandlakes.org Thu May 5 14:33:56 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 10:33:56 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Specific Needs Distro Help? Message-ID: <427A2ED4.9040806@inlandlakes.org> Hello all, I am currently getting ready to install a new machine to do my: Email (postfix with Maildir) IMAP (courier I assume, to support Maildir) Webserver (Apache of course) MYSQL (for web sites) Squid/Dansguardian My current computer is a quad 500mhz xeon, and it's choking under the strain of all those duties. I have a dual 3.2ghz xeon that I am going to use, but I'm not sure what distro will give me the easiest time installing things like clamav, spamassassin, etc, etc. Anyone have reasons to (or not to) use a specific distro? Thanks a ton in advance, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Thu May 5 14:41:57 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 10:41:57 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] New FC3 server, how to export /home correctly? In-Reply-To: <20050505103649.71350.qmail@web41626.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050505103649.71350.qmail@web41626.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The part about exporting and mounting is below...between the ############## ##############'s "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, May 2, 2005 at 9:50 PM +0000 wrote: >>This is my last attempt at making FC3 work in my >>building before banning it completely and cursing the >>day I switched from a nice, functional RH8 network. >>Oh how the skies seemed bluer and the grass greener >>back in the day... >> >>Can someone tell me how to do a "default" install with >>FC3, using the following criteria? >> >>Please, someone tell me how to set up my K12LTSP >>network using only FC3 on the servers. I have four >>classrooms (currently, with 2 more planned) to install >>into. Each classroom will have it's own server. One >>classroom has a server with SCSI drive - I'd like it >>to be the one that also serves /home out to the other >>servers via NFS. All the other classroom servers need > Question one.....do you have gigabit on these servers? >> >> >>I'd *like* to be conservative with my bandwidth and >>use IceWM (but I've never done without Nautilus >>because of the desktop icons and file manager). >>Students like to change their desktops, but I probably >>DON'T *need* to have desktop icons. So, which >>"session" should I allow? Which window/desktop >>manager should I use? OR, should I opt for ease & >>simplicity and only allow GNOME? Remember, this is >>being served out to all the other classroom servers, >>too. > Use IceWM....you won't lose Nautilus as IceWM uses Gnome for it's windows....in fact to change the background and so forth in IceWM....you simply right-click and use the same background mgr just like Gnome. IceWM also keeps the Gnome desktop icons....the menu changes, but that's for the better because you can use something like icemc or my fave....icecc to have a GUI for editing the IceWM menus to show ONLY what you want the kids to see....no more of the "server stuff"...etc. like in the default Gnome menus. Editing the menu is very simple and it's actually a text file so there's no XML and stuff to learn. >> >> >>I'd like to have sound running on all the clients >>(using Flash too, for starfall.com). But, aside from >>the return of Jesus, I'm not sure this will ever work! >> (Sorry for my skepticism, I know there are people >>that say they've got sound working, but I live in >>Missouri "Show Me!") Of course, when Jesus returns we >>won't use computers any more, so I won't care about >>sound on my clients then. > It works fine! I use it....and I use Starfall.com everyday with my kindergarten kids. (you are very pessimistic) It either works out of the box or you may need to make a simple tweak to lts.conf and change SOUND_DAEMON = "nasd" You install Flash by clicking an icon in the "Install Additional Programs" on root's desktop >> >> >>One of the main reasons I wanted to use FC3 was the >>numerous reports of sound working on the clients with >>FC3. But I'll gladly give up sound just to have a >>functional LTSP network that mounts /home properly. > When setting up FC3....don't enable any firewalls....AT ALL. Disable them...they are enabled by default. >> >> >>Can anyone help me do this from scratch? I've >>attempted for the last three weeks now to make it work >>to no avail. Let's pretend that I'll just do >>completely fresh installs, no upgrades at all. I'll >>then add users via webmin. Then copy over their >>documents from my backup of /home. > Are all the machines on the same subnet or are they on different isolated networks with each machine (server) serving it's own little LAN. If so I'm assuming all the machines have two NIC's...one internal and one external. Set up K12LTSP 4.2 on each machine. Make sure that each machine is configured so that dhcp is working on the corrent interface to serve the clients. Now...on the master server....create the users (on all servers). If Webmin allows you to specify the UID....it would be a good idea to do so...that way you can guarantee they are the same on all servers. Delete /home on the other two servers. ######################### Now....create and entry on each of the two servers in fstab similar to this: 10.0.0.234:/home /home nfs defaults,rsize=8192,wsize=8192 0 0 Use your own IP address. On the master server you need to export /home to the other two....make an entry in /etc/exports similar to this: /home 10.0.15.253(rw,sync,insecure_locks,no_root_squash) ############################### Use the IP addresses of the other two servers....you'll need an entry for each different server. To manually export at this point use exportfs -av Now....the only caveat I can think of is whether or not the system will allow you to connect from the external interface....LTSP makes entries in the hosts.allow file...if you are unable to mount /home with the next command (ie: if you get the error you got last time) you may want to go into /etc/hosts.allow and comment out the active lines to allow all connections and see if that works. I have a Samba/LDAP server doing essentially what you're doing...and my hosts.allow and hosts.deny are both empty. Also double-check hosts.deny and make sure everything is OK in there....mine is empty thus allowing all. The command to mount is: (on the other 2 servers) mount -av If you can now see home directories on the classroom servers....then it works. Remember you deleted the other /home dirs so they weren't there. Now....if all that is working (and don't give up....the problems you described earlier were simple to fix, but you gave up....you missed something...something small that you probably did in RH8, but forgot you had done. We can help....just make sure to tell us exactly what you see for errors. Assuming it works....now let's go to sound. There are a bunch of different ways to get sound working....first...try it as it may be working out of the box. Sound generally works....it's a matter of sound working with Flash. I use TuxMath to test sound as it's obnoxiously loud. If sound works there....I go to PBSkids.org (after installing flash) and test a game I always go to Arthur and use the "alien" game. If sound works there...you're all set...if not....what I do....in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf Change SOUND_DEAMON = nasd (it may be the default, but I cannot remember. Also if you're using any ISA sound cards you'll need to uncomment the line that has ### For ISA sound cards, you have to specify the module to use: SMODULE_01 = "sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1" Also make sure that SOUND = Y Given all this....sound should work too. You can check the wiki for more ways to do it. As for IceWM...give it a try...it works much better than Gnome or KDE as it loads a LOT faster. AND it's VERY configurable. If you want to use ICEWM as the default session you can check the wiki http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Forcing%20IceWM%20as%20the%20default%20under%20GDM%20in%20Fedora for how to remove the other choices from the users and have ICEWM be the only choice. To edit the menus....I believe icemc is include with K12LTSP now....simply type icemc in the command line....when it loads you'll get an error...disregard...it simply means you have to go get the file....open the file /usr/share/icewm/menu and edit away! The program is pretty easy to figure out. You can also edit that same file using a text editor...it too is easy to figure out. You can also edit the toolbar as well....found in the same directory....I believe you can edit it with icemc. Also if you look at the icewm preferences file you can turn off some things like the "pager" and so forth. Once you start using IceWM you'll never go back. Whatever you do....don't give up! Check bach here often....many of us monitor this list during the daytime while we're at school....like me...so I can help you almost in "realtime" so check back constantly for assistance. You can do this. And remember you couldn't stick with RH8 forever as you would have missed a lot. The newer versions of K12LTSP solved a lot of previous issues and the newer programs rock! >> >> >>This ought to work, right? This sounds like it ought >>to be simple, right? Someone please hold my hand >>through this and document what I must do to make this >>happen. >> >>Thanks for all your patience. This is my last attempt >>before doing an "fdisk /mbr" and going back to RH8. >>And starting the whole thing from scratch. > That wouldn't be wise. >> >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Do You Yahoo!? >>Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >>http://mail.yahoo.com >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see > > > David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From jim at winonacotter.org Thu May 5 14:46:42 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 09:46:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: how to boot PPC LiveCDs In-Reply-To: <427A26C8.9020901@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <000b01c55181$40c2b3a0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > BTW, Jim, thanks for all the terrific work you've done > getting Macs to work as clients, > thin & chubby. If it's okay with you, I may suggest to the > teachers that they take an > 'excursion' down to Winona to see what you've done. I think > you're only a couple hours > drive away (I'm in Minneapolis). Go ahead and send them down if you want. This summer I will be updating Cotter High School to a pretty cool setup. All lab macs will be running OS 10.4 and netbooted, all teacher/staff machines will be running OS 10.4 and setup from net install. All Windows/Mac/Linux will be authenticated to a central SAMBA/LDAP server and have roaming profiles between all three platforms. And I will finally have a dedicated 25 machine lab here for K12LTSP only. Plus all other macs will be able to connect to the LTSP server with X -query scripts. I am excited. Not to mention with the upgrades to newer machines (all iMac lamp style or iMac Indigo) I will have about 250 iMac Bondi's to use as thin clients somewhere. Very Cool. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Thu May 5 14:52:15 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 10:52:15 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Samba/OpenLDAP or MS ADS (or maybe NDS)... In-Reply-To: <200505041549.45150.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> References: <200505041549.45150.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> Message-ID: jhansknecht at hanstech.com on Wed May 4 2005 at 15:49 +0000 wrote: >OK, we are finally going to replace our WindowsNT domain which is our >current >authentication method for Windows and LTSP clients. I am currently >evaluating >the options. I have a couple of specific questions regarding the >Samba/OpenLDAP solutions. >First, the following I believe are correct statements. Please let me know >if I >am wrong on any of them >Samba / Open LDAP will: >1) Allow computers running Windows XP Prof to 'join the domain' yes....I run XP pro, but it will also do 2000 as well > >2) Authenticate users logging in from Windows XP Prof. clients. Definitely...after all you joined the domain above > >3) Handle providing a logon script to Users logging on From Windows XP >Prof >clients Yes....in addition to roaming profiles if you wish you can also map directories....I map the users /home directory to drive S: as a netlogon script...easy to do and all outlined in the how-to I wrote. > >4) Handle mapping to profile server for roaming profiles for Windows XP >Prof >clients Definitely...the smbldap-installer script enables this by default....I've been doing it for several years now...Samba has been able to do roaming profiles for at least 5 years now > > >But, my question is how do you handle group policies. Is anyone aware of >a >tool that will create/apply proper group policy files to use as part of >this >Samba / OpenLDAP solution? If not, how are you handling policies? Is it >working satisfactorily for you? Don't know....most people get away from using group policies. Why do you need policies? Best method? Buy DeepFreeze and freeze all the computers....DeepFreeze rocks....eliminates nearly all your software support calls....and still allows users to do whatever they want...changes simply don't stick. However if they save by logging in to a roaming profile....anything that's part of that profile....My Documents, Desktop, Faves...etc. will be saved on the server. > >-- > >Thanks, > >John David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From aslansreturn at yahoo.com Thu May 5 15:15:06 2005 From: aslansreturn at yahoo.com (richard ingalls) Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 08:15:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] New FC3 server, how to export /home correctly? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050505151506.32121.qmail@web52910.mail.yahoo.com> David: this is the error message I get... (this is a brand new totally fresh install, no firewall, no selinux). I have edited /etc/exports on the /home server and I have edited /etc/fstab on the "other" servers. [root at sLAB ~]# mount -av mount: LABEL=/boot already mounted on /boot mount: none already mounted on /dev/pts mount: none already mounted on /dev/shm mount: none already mounted on /proc mount: none already mounted on /sys mount: Unable to connect to 207.160.224.226:727, errno 111 (Connection refused) mount: RPC: Timed out --- David Trask wrote: > The part about exporting and mounting is > below...between the > > ############## > ##############'s > > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." > on > Monday, May 2, 2005 at 9:50 PM +0000 wrote: > >>This is my last attempt at making FC3 work in my > >>building before banning it completely and cursing > the > >>day I switched from a nice, functional RH8 > network. > >>Oh how the skies seemed bluer and the grass > greener > >>back in the day... > >> > >>Can someone tell me how to do a "default" install > with > >>FC3, using the following criteria? > >> > >>Please, someone tell me how to set up my K12LTSP > >>network using only FC3 on the servers. I have > four > >>classrooms (currently, with 2 more planned) to > install > >>into. Each classroom will have it's own server. > One > >>classroom has a server with SCSI drive - I'd like > it > >>to be the one that also serves /home out to the > other > >>servers via NFS. All the other classroom servers > need > > > Question one.....do you have gigabit on these > servers? > >> > >> > >>I'd *like* to be conservative with my bandwidth > and > >>use IceWM (but I've never done without Nautilus > >>because of the desktop icons and file manager). > >>Students like to change their desktops, but I > probably > >>DON'T *need* to have desktop icons. So, which > >>"session" should I allow? Which window/desktop > >>manager should I use? OR, should I opt for ease & > >>simplicity and only allow GNOME? Remember, this > is > >>being served out to all the other classroom > servers, > >>too. > > > Use IceWM....you won't lose Nautilus as IceWM uses > Gnome for it's > windows....in fact to change the background and so > forth in IceWM....you > simply right-click and use the same background mgr > just like Gnome. IceWM > also keeps the Gnome desktop icons....the menu > changes, but that's for the > better because you can use something like icemc or > my fave....icecc to > have a GUI for editing the IceWM menus to show ONLY > what you want the kids > to see....no more of the "server stuff"...etc. like > in the default Gnome > menus. Editing the menu is very simple and it's > actually a text file so > there's no XML and stuff to learn. > >> > >> > >>I'd like to have sound running on all the clients > >>(using Flash too, for starfall.com). But, aside > from > >>the return of Jesus, I'm not sure this will ever > work! > >> (Sorry for my skepticism, I know there are people > >>that say they've got sound working, but I live in > >>Missouri "Show Me!") Of course, when Jesus > returns we > >>won't use computers any more, so I won't care > about > >>sound on my clients then. > > > It works fine! I use it....and I use Starfall.com > everyday with my > kindergarten kids. (you are very pessimistic) It > either works out of the > box or you may need to make a simple tweak to > lts.conf and change > > SOUND_DAEMON = "nasd" > > You install Flash by clicking an icon in the > "Install Additional Programs" > on root's desktop > >> > >> > >>One of the main reasons I wanted to use FC3 was > the > >>numerous reports of sound working on the clients > with > >>FC3. But I'll gladly give up sound just to have a > >>functional LTSP network that mounts /home > properly. > > > When setting up FC3....don't enable any > firewalls....AT ALL. Disable > them...they are enabled by default. > >> > >> > >>Can anyone help me do this from scratch? I've > >>attempted for the last three weeks now to make it > work > >>to no avail. Let's pretend that I'll just do > >>completely fresh installs, no upgrades at all. > I'll > >>then add users via webmin. Then copy over their > >>documents from my backup of /home. > > > Are all the machines on the same subnet or are they > on different isolated > networks with each machine (server) serving it's own > little LAN. If so > I'm assuming all the machines have two NIC's...one > internal and one > external. Set up K12LTSP 4.2 on each machine. Make > sure that each > machine is configured so that dhcp is working on the > corrent interface to > serve the clients. Now...on the master > server....create the users (on all > servers). If Webmin allows you to specify the > UID....it would be a good > idea to do so...that way you can guarantee they are > the same on all > servers. Delete /home on the other two servers. > > ######################### > Now....create and entry > on each of the two servers in fstab similar to this: > > 10.0.0.234:/home /home nfs > > defaults,rsize=8192,wsize=8192 0 0 > > Use your own IP address. On the master server you > need to export /home to > the other two....make an entry in /etc/exports > similar to this: > > /home > 10.0.15.253(rw,sync,insecure_locks,no_root_squash) > ############################### > Use the IP addresses of the other two > servers....you'll need an entry for > each different server. To manually export at this > point use exportfs -av > > Now....the only caveat I can think of is whether or > not the system will > allow you to connect from the external > interface....LTSP makes entries in > the hosts.allow file...if you are unable to mount > /home with the next > command (ie: if you get the error you got last time) > you may want to go > into /etc/hosts.allow and comment out the active > lines to allow all > connections and see if that works. I have a > Samba/LDAP server doing > essentially what you're doing...and my hosts.allow > and hosts.deny are both > empty. Also double-check hosts.deny and make sure > everything is OK in > there....mine is empty thus allowing all. > > The command to mount is: (on the other 2 servers) > mount -av > > If you can now see home directories on the classroom > servers....then it > works. Remember you deleted the other /home dirs so > they weren't there. > > Now....if all that is working (and don't give > up....the problems you > described earlier were simple to fix, but you gave > up....you missed > something...something small that you probably did in > RH8, but forgot you > had done. We can help....just make sure to tell us > exactly what you see > for errors. > > Assuming it works....now let's go to sound. There > are a bunch of > === message truncated === __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Thu May 5 15:24:42 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 16:24:42 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Specific Needs Distro Help? In-Reply-To: <427A2ED4.9040806@inlandlakes.org> References: <427A2ED4.9040806@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <427A3ABA.5050006@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Shawn Powers wrote: > Hello all, > > I am currently getting ready to install a new machine to do my: > > Email (postfix with Maildir) > IMAP (courier I assume, to support Maildir) > Webserver (Apache of course) > MYSQL (for web sites) > Squid/Dansguardian > > My current computer is a quad 500mhz xeon, and it's choking under the > strain of all those duties. I have a dual 3.2ghz xeon that I am going > to use, but I'm not sure what distro will give me the easiest time > installing things like clamav, spamassassin, etc, etc. > > Anyone have reasons to (or not to) use a specific distro? > > Thanks a ton in advance, > -Shawn > How about seperating off the Proxy server bit (Squid / Dansguardian) off and using something like Censornet (www.censornet.com) on your old machine and just leave the new server to do the rest ? Censornet is really good, can't sing it's praises enough. Brian Chivers Portsmouth College --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From jim at winonacotter.org Thu May 5 15:41:21 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 10:41:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] New FC3 server, how to export /home correctly? In-Reply-To: <20050505151506.32121.qmail@web52910.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000c01c55188$e33bdb00$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > David: this is the error message I get... (this is a > brand new totally fresh install, no firewall, no > selinux). I have edited /etc/exports on the /home > server and I have edited /etc/fstab on the "other" > servers. > > [root at sLAB ~]# mount -av > mount: LABEL=/boot already mounted on /boot > mount: none already mounted on /dev/pts > mount: none already mounted on /dev/shm > mount: none already mounted on /proc > mount: none already mounted on /sys > mount: Unable to connect to 207.160.224.226:727, errno > 111 (Connection refused) > mount: RPC: Timed out I suppose make sure that NFS is started on all servers as well. #/etc/init.d/nfs status This will tell you if it is running or not. #/etc/init.d/nfs start This will fire it up if you need to. #chkconfig --list | grep nfs This will tell you if it is set to startup in your desired run levels. #chkconfig nfs on This will set it to start in run levels 2-5 which should be sufficient. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Thu May 5 15:46:39 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 10:46:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] New FC3 server, how to export /home correctly? In-Reply-To: <20050505151506.32121.qmail@web52910.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000d01c55189$a0a58a60$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > David: this is the error message I get... (this is a > brand new totally fresh install, no firewall, no > selinux). I have edited /etc/exports on the /home > server and I have edited /etc/fstab on the "other" > servers. I forgot in my last email as well but did you run #exportfs -av After the modification and did you make sure to have an empty /home on the slave servers before running #mount -av Also you may just want to check for whether or not NFS is running and just restart the main server then the slave servers. A restart isn't always a bad thing. Then you know all mounts are fresh. Also another tip is that Webmin makes NFS exporting very simple. If you still have bad luck you might want to try this as well. > [root at sLAB ~]# mount -av > mount: LABEL=/boot already mounted on /boot > mount: none already mounted on /dev/pts > mount: none already mounted on /dev/shm > mount: none already mounted on /proc > mount: none already mounted on /sys > mount: Unable to connect to 207.160.224.226:727, errno > 111 (Connection refused) > mount: RPC: Timed out > > ######################### > > Now....create and entry > > on each of the two servers in fstab similar to this: > > > > 10.0.0.234:/home /home nfs > > > > defaults,rsize=8192,wsize=8192 0 0 > > > > Use your own IP address. On the master server you > > need to export /home to > > the other two....make an entry in /etc/exports > > similar to this: > > > > /home > > 10.0.15.253(rw,sync,insecure_locks,no_root_squash) > > ############################### > > Use the IP addresses of the other two > > servers....you'll need an entry for > > each different server. To manually export at this > > point use exportfs -av -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Thu May 5 15:44:56 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 11:44:56 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] New FC3 server, how to export /home correctly? In-Reply-To: <20050505151506.32121.qmail@web52910.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050505151506.32121.qmail@web52910.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ok....can you send me what your /etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny look like? (on the main server) Second question just so I understand....the IP address below is not a "traditional" internal IP address. Are you behind a firewall or DHCP server? If not how did the machine get that IP address? Third question....does the main server have two network cards in it? Do each of the classroom servers also have two network cards in them? Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thu May 5 2005 at 11:15 +0000 wrote: >David: this is the error message I get... (this is a >brand new totally fresh install, no firewall, no >selinux). I have edited /etc/exports on the /home >server and I have edited /etc/fstab on the "other" >servers. > >[root at sLAB ~]# mount -av >mount: LABEL=/boot already mounted on /boot >mount: none already mounted on /dev/pts >mount: none already mounted on /dev/shm >mount: none already mounted on /proc >mount: none already mounted on /sys >mount: Unable to connect to 207.160.224.226:727, errno >111 (Connection refused) >mount: RPC: Timed out David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From haysja at sages.us Thu May 5 15:53:02 2005 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 10:53:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Specific Needs Distro Help? In-Reply-To: <427A3ABA.5050006@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <427A2ED4.9040806@inlandlakes.org> <427A3ABA.5050006@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <427A415E.6040807@sages.us> I agree with Brian in separating the duties. I would use your old box and use IPCop with Cop+ (which includes Dans Guardian) then have your email server and web server behind that on a separate box. We have a similart setup here with about 600 computers behind the IPCop machine. Brian Chivers wrote: > Shawn Powers wrote: > >> Hello all, >> >> I am currently getting ready to install a new machine to do my: >> >> Email (postfix with Maildir) >> IMAP (courier I assume, to support Maildir) >> Webserver (Apache of course) >> MYSQL (for web sites) >> Squid/Dansguardian >> >> My current computer is a quad 500mhz xeon, and it's choking under the >> strain of all those duties. I have a dual 3.2ghz xeon that I am >> going to use, but I'm not sure what distro will give me the easiest >> time installing things like clamav, spamassassin, etc, etc. >> >> Anyone have reasons to (or not to) use a specific distro? >> >> Thanks a ton in advance, >> -Shawn >> > How about seperating off the Proxy server bit (Squid / Dansguardian) > off and using something like Censornet (www.censornet.com) on your old > machine and just leave the new server to do the rest ? > > Censornet is really good, can't sing it's praises enough. > > Brian Chivers > Portsmouth College > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily > the views of Portsmouth College > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu May 5 16:07:18 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 09:07:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] New FC3 server, how to export /home correctly? In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050505160718.92231.qmail@web41604.mail.yahoo.com> Richard, Could you post /etc/fstab, too? -Rob --- David Trask wrote: > Ok....can you send me what your /etc/hosts.allow > and /etc/hosts.deny > look like? (on the main server) Second question > just so I > understand....the IP address below is not a > "traditional" internal IP > address. Are you behind a firewall or DHCP server? > If not how did the > machine get that IP address? Third question....does > the main server have > two network cards in it? Do each of the classroom > servers also have two > network cards in them? > > Support list for opensource software in schools." > on > Thu May 5 2005 at 11:15 +0000 wrote: > >David: this is the error message I get... (this is > a > >brand new totally fresh install, no firewall, no > >selinux). I have edited /etc/exports on the /home > >server and I have edited /etc/fstab on the "other" > >servers. > > > >[root at sLAB ~]# mount -av > >mount: LABEL=/boot already mounted on /boot > >mount: none already mounted on /dev/pts > >mount: none already mounted on /dev/shm > >mount: none already mounted on /proc > >mount: none already mounted on /sys > >mount: Unable to connect to 207.160.224.226:727, > errno > >111 (Connection refused) > >mount: RPC: Timed out > > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From bskahan at gmail.com Thu May 5 16:24:06 2005 From: bskahan at gmail.com (Brian Skahan) Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 12:24:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: alternative to MS Frontpage In-Reply-To: <20050505104444.11775.qmail@web41603.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050505104444.11775.qmail@web41603.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 5/5/05, Rob Owens wrote: > Since I don't use Frontpage, I don't know what > features it has. And since I'm not much of a web > designer, it's tough for me to pick out a good > alternative by reading a list of features. Can > anybody recommend something that will make > standards-compliant webpages, and that a Frontpage > user would be happy using? Convenient newsforge has a review of Nvu today. http://programming.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/04/28/1915249&from=rss -- Brian Skahan http://bskahan.etria.com From aslansreturn at yahoo.com Thu May 5 16:29:38 2005 From: aslansreturn at yahoo.com (richard ingalls) Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 09:29:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] New FC3 server, how to export /home correctly? In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050505162938.10809.qmail@web52905.mail.yahoo.com> it appears that nfs is running on the server... and the "other" server(s) [root at wLAB /]# /etc/init.d/nfs status Shutting down NFS mountd: rpc.mountd is stopped nfsd (pid 3510 3509 3508 3507 3506 3505 3504 3503) is running... rpc.rquotad (pid 3471) is running... [root at wLAB /]# chkconfig --list | grep nfs nfs 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off nfslock 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off [root at wLAB /]# --- Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > David: this is the error message I get... (this > is a > > brand new totally fresh install, no firewall, no > > selinux). I have edited /etc/exports on the /home > > server and I have edited /etc/fstab on the "other" > > servers. > > > > [root at sLAB ~]# mount -av > > mount: LABEL=/boot already mounted on /boot > > mount: none already mounted on /dev/pts > > mount: none already mounted on /dev/shm > > mount: none already mounted on /proc > > mount: none already mounted on /sys > > mount: Unable to connect to 207.160.224.226:727, > errno > > 111 (Connection refused) > > mount: RPC: Timed out > > I suppose make sure that NFS is started on all > servers as well. > #/etc/init.d/nfs status > This will tell you if it is running or not. > #/etc/init.d/nfs start > This will fire it up if you need to. > #chkconfig --list | grep nfs > This will tell you if it is set to startup in your > desired run levels. > #chkconfig nfs on > This will set it to start in run levels 2-5 which > should be sufficient. > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail From jhansknecht at hanstech.com Thu May 5 16:56:27 2005 From: jhansknecht at hanstech.com (John Hansknecht) Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 12:56:27 -0400 Subject: Fwd: Re: [ok-mail] Re: [K12OSN] Samba/OpenLDAP or MS ADS (or maybe NDS)... Message-ID: <200505051256.27203.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> On Thursday 05 May 2005 10:52, David Trask wrote: > Don't know....most people get away from using group policies. Why do you > need policies? Best method? Buy DeepFreeze and freeze all the > computers....DeepFreeze rocks....eliminates nearly all your software > support calls....and still allows users to do whatever they want...changes > simply don't stick. However if they save by logging in to a roaming > profile....anything that's part of that profile....My Documents, Desktop, > Faves...etc. will be saved on the server. Dave, What, if anything, are you using to deploy windows patches? Do you know if Microsoft's WSUS (patch deployment tool) needs a MS ADS? > >-- > > > >Thanks, > > > >John > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Thanks, John ------------------------------------------------------- -- Thanks, John The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. - Mattrol at uscom.com (Drakmere) From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu May 5 17:05:03 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 10:05:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] OT: alternative to MS Frontpage In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050505170503.2875.qmail@web41613.mail.yahoo.com> Thank you all for your suggestions. I should have been more clear about this in my original post: I don't care if the web designer uses Windows, I just want his webpages to be viewable in Firefox. And thanks, Bob, for the info on ADA compliance. I'll research that a bit. A church might not be legally bound to that, but it's something the developer should be made aware of anyway. -Rob --- Brian Skahan wrote: > On 5/5/05, Rob Owens wrote: > > Since I don't use Frontpage, I don't know what > > features it has. And since I'm not much of a web > > designer, it's tough for me to pick out a good > > alternative by reading a list of features. Can > > anybody recommend something that will make > > standards-compliant webpages, and that a Frontpage > > user would be happy using? > > Convenient newsforge has a review of Nvu today. > http://programming.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/04/28/1915249&from=rss > > -- > Brian Skahan > http://bskahan.etria.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html From les at futuresource.com Thu May 5 17:16:02 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 12:16:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] New FC3 server, how to export /home correctly? In-Reply-To: <20050505162938.10809.qmail@web52905.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050505162938.10809.qmail@web52905.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1115313362.745.19.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2005-05-05 at 11:29, richard ingalls wrote: > it appears that nfs is running on the server... and > the "other" server(s) What does 'showmount -e' on the server, and 'showmount -e server' on the client say? They should be approximately the same or give a helpful error message. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From aslansreturn at yahoo.com Thu May 5 17:22:51 2005 From: aslansreturn at yahoo.com (richard ingalls) Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 10:22:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] New FC3 server, how to export /home correctly? In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050505172251.5918.qmail@web52902.mail.yahoo.com> /etc/exports ## LTS-begin ## # # The lines between the 'LTS-begin' and the 'LTS-end' were added # on: Wed Nov 28 11:19:42 PST 2001 by the ltsp installation script. # For more information, visit the ltsp homepage # at http://www.ltsp.org # /opt/ltsp/i386 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(ro,no_root_squash,sync) /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(rw,no_root_squash,async) # # The following entries need to be uncommented if you want # Local App support in ltsp # #/home 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(rw,root_squash,sync) ## LTS-end ## ## LTS-begin ## # # The lines between the 'LTS-begin' and the 'LTS-end' were added # on: Wed Nov 28 11:19:42 PST 2001 by the ltsp installation script. # For more information, visit the ltsp homepage # at http://www.ltsp.org # /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(ro,no_root_squash,sync) /usr/share/AbiSuite/fonts 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(ro,no_root_squash,sync) /usr/share/fonts 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(ro,no_root_squash,sync) /usr/lib/openoffice/share/fonts 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(ro,no_root_squash,sync) ## LTS-end ## ## LTS-end ## ## LTS-begin ## # # The lines between the 'LTS-begin' and the 'LTS-end' were added # on: Wed Nov 28 11:19:42 PST 2001 by the ltsp installation script. # For more information, visit the ltsp homepage # at http://www.ltsp.org # /opt/ltsp/ppc 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(ro,no_root_squash,sync) ## LTS-end ## /home 207.160.224.120/255.255.255.0(rw,sync,insecure_locks,no_root_squash) /home 207.160.224.12/255.255.255.0(rw,sync,insecure_locks,no_root_squash) /home 207.160.224.110/255.255.255.0(rw,sync,insecure_locks,no_root_squash) /home 207.160.224.111/255.255.255.0(rw,sync,insecure_locks,no_root_squash) /home 207.160.224.130/255.255.255.0(rw,sync,insecure_locks,no_root_squash) /home 207.160.224.140/255.255.255.0(rw,sync,insecure_locks,no_root_squash) /etc/hosts.allow # # hosts.allow This file describes the names of the hosts which are # allowed to use the local INET services, as decided # by the '/usr/sbin/tcpd' server. # ## LTS-begin ## # # The lines between the 'LTS-begin' and the 'LTS-end' were added # on: Wed Nov 28 11:19:42 PST 2001 by the ltsp installation script. # For more information, visit the ltsp homepage # at http://www.ltsp.org # #bootpd: 0.0.0.0 #in.tftpd: 192.168. #portmap: 192.168. ## LTS-end ## /etc/hosts.deny # # hosts.deny This file describes the names of the hosts which are # *not* allowed to use the local INET services, as decided # by the '/usr/sbin/tcpd' server. # # The portmap line is redundant, but it is left to remind you that # the new secure portmap uses hosts.deny and hosts.allow. In particular # you should know that NFS uses portmap! /etc/fstab (from on of the other servers) # This file is edited by fstab-sync - see 'man fstab-sync' for details /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 / ext3 defaults 1 1 LABEL=/boot /boot ext3 defaults 1 2 none /dev/pts devpts gid=5,mode=620 0 0 none /dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0 none /proc proc defaults 0 0 none /sys sysfs defaults 0 0 /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol01 swap swap defaults 0 0 /dev/hdc /media/cdrom auto pamconsole,exec,noauto,managed 0 0 /dev/fd0 /media/floppy auto pamconsole,exec,noauto,managed 0 0 207.160.224.226:/home /home nfs defaults,rsize=8192,wsize=8192 0 0 Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html From aslansreturn at yahoo.com Thu May 5 17:25:09 2005 From: aslansreturn at yahoo.com (richard ingalls) Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 10:25:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] New FC3 server, how to export /home correctly? In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050505172509.19591.qmail@web52909.mail.yahoo.com> [root at sLAB ~]# showmount -e server Export list for server: /opt/ltsp/ppc 207.160.224.0/255.255.255.0 /opt/ltsp/i386 207.160.224.0/255.255.255.0 /usr/share/fonts 207.160.224.0/255.255.255.0 /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles 207.160.224.0/255.255.255.0 /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts 207.160.224.0/255.255.255.0 /usr/share/AbiSuite/fonts 207.160.224.0/255.255.255.0 /usr/lib/openoffice/share/fonts 207.160.224.0/255.255.255.0 [root at sLAB ~]# --- Les Mikesell wrote: > On Thu, 2005-05-05 at 11:29, richard ingalls wrote: > > it appears that nfs is running on the server... > and > > the "other" server(s) > > What does 'showmount -e' on the server, and > 'showmount -e server' on the client say? They > should > be approximately the same or give a helpful error > message. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail From aslansreturn at yahoo.com Thu May 5 17:30:25 2005 From: aslansreturn at yahoo.com (richard ingalls) Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 10:30:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] New FC3 server, how to export /home correctly? In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050505173026.55439.qmail@web52907.mail.yahoo.com> this is the error message on the /home server... [root at wLAB ~]# showmount -e rpc mount export: RPC: Unable to receive; errno = Connection refused [root at wLAB ~]# --- Les Mikesell wrote: > On Thu, 2005-05-05 at 11:29, richard ingalls wrote: > > it appears that nfs is running on the server... > and > > the "other" server(s) > > What does 'showmount -e' on the server, and > 'showmount -e server' on the client say? They > should > be approximately the same or give a helpful error > message. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jim at winonacotter.org Thu May 5 17:43:07 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 12:43:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] New FC3 server, how to export /home correctly? In-Reply-To: <20050505173026.55439.qmail@web52907.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001501c55199$e582fc20$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > this is the error message on the /home server... > > [root at wLAB ~]# showmount -e > rpc mount export: RPC: Unable to receive; errno = > Connection refused > [root at wLAB ~]# > > --- Les Mikesell wrote: > > On Thu, 2005-05-05 at 11:29, richard ingalls wrote: > > > it appears that nfs is running on the server... > > and > > > the "other" server(s) > > > > What does 'showmount -e' on the server, and > > 'showmount -e server' on the client say? They > > should > > be approximately the same or give a helpful error > > message. Could this be simplified with the following in /etc/exports? /home 207.160.224.0/255.255.255.0(rw,sync,insecure_locks,no_root_squash) This should share to the whole subnet, I know it isn't as secure but you can always narrow it down later. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From aslansreturn at yahoo.com Thu May 5 17:39:14 2005 From: aslansreturn at yahoo.com (richard ingalls) Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 10:39:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] New FC3 server, how to export /home correctly? In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050505173915.33752.qmail@web52904.mail.yahoo.com> --- David Trask wrote: > Ok....can you send me what your /etc/hosts.allow > and /etc/hosts.deny > look like? (on the main server) ok. posted them to the list... > Second question > just so I > understand....the IP address below is not a > "traditional" internal IP > address. Are you behind a firewall or DHCP server? the IP provider for Missouri assigns each school a subnet (if they subscribe). 207.160.224.xxx is my subnet. > If not how did the > machine get that IP address? Third question....does > the main server have > two network cards in it? yes Do each of the classroom > servers also have two > network cards in them? yes Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/ From jim at winonacotter.org Thu May 5 17:58:17 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 12:58:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] New FC3 server, how to export /home correctly? In-Reply-To: <20050505173915.33752.qmail@web52904.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001601c5519c$03db9f40$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > the IP provider for Missouri assigns each school a > subnet (if they subscribe). 207.160.224.xxx is my > subnet. I think where Dave was going here is if you are using external IP's provided by your ISP and accessing by these external IP's your traffic may be being negotiated over your ISP's routing equipment. Typically you would just assign those IP's to your router and then do NAT to an internal IP range to be sure all of your routing is internal. So normally you would have a 10.x.x.x or a 192.168.x.x or another internal. So it just shows up as odd. But since this worked in the past with these IP's I don't see any reason it shouldn't now if no routing configurations were changed. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Thu May 5 18:12:45 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 14:12:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] New FC3 server, how to export /home correctly? In-Reply-To: <001601c5519c$03db9f40$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001601c5519c$03db9f40$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thu May 5 2005 at 13:58 +0000 wrote: >I think where Dave was going here is if you are using external IP's >provided by your ISP and accessing by these external IP's your traffic >may be being negotiated over your ISP's routing equipment. Typically >you would just assign those IP's to your router and then do NAT to an >internal IP range to be sure all of your routing is internal. So >normally you would have a 10.x.x.x or a 192.168.x.x or another internal. >So it just shows up as odd. But since this worked in the past with >these IP's I don't see any reason it shouldn't now if no routing >configurations were changed. My other reason for asking is that we need to make sure that NFS is working on the external interface as well....also has anything changed in your network between this installation and the RH8 version? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From les at futuresource.com Thu May 5 19:19:23 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 14:19:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] New FC3 server, how to export /home correctly? In-Reply-To: <20050505173026.55439.qmail@web52907.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050505173026.55439.qmail@web52907.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1115320763.1180.8.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2005-05-05 at 12:30, richard ingalls wrote: > this is the error message on the /home server... > > [root at wLAB ~]# showmount -e > rpc mount export: RPC: Unable to receive; errno = > Connection refused OK, something is wrong here. You should see your list of NFS exports. The clients aren't going to see them if the server can't see itself. Try a: 'service portmap restart' 'service nfs restart' and then see if showmount works. If not, you might have an error logged in /var/log/messages. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Thu May 5 19:22:39 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 14:22:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] New FC3 server, how to export /home correctly? In-Reply-To: <20050505172509.19591.qmail@web52909.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050505172509.19591.qmail@web52909.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1115320959.1180.13.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2005-05-05 at 12:25, richard ingalls wrote: > [root at sLAB ~]# showmount -e server > Export list for server: Use the name or IP of the /home server, not the literal name 'server'. If you have the default dns setup, every k12ltsp installation (which would include your nfs clients) thinks its own name is 'server' so you are seeing the client's own exports, not the server. However, since they are working, there must be something different in the setup on the /home server. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From patnewsletters at ip-wizard.com Thu May 5 19:32:36 2005 From: patnewsletters at ip-wizard.com (Pat) Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 14:32:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: alternative to MS Frontpage In-Reply-To: <20050505170503.2875.qmail@web41613.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050505170503.2875.qmail@web41613.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <427A74D4.10104@ip-wizard.com> Rob Owens wrote: > Thank you all for your suggestions. I should have > been more clear about this in my original post: I > don't care if the web designer uses Windows, I just > want his webpages to be viewable in Firefox. > > And thanks, Bob, for the info on ADA compliance. I'll > research that a bit. A church might not be legally > bound to that, but it's something the developer should > be made aware of anyway. > > -Rob > > --- Brian Skahan wrote: > >>On 5/5/05, Rob Owens wrote: >> >>>Since I don't use Frontpage, I don't know what >>>features it has. And since I'm not much of a web >>>designer, it's tough for me to pick out a good >>>alternative by reading a list of features. Can >>>anybody recommend something that will make >>>standards-compliant webpages, and that a Frontpage >>>user would be happy using? >> >>Convenient newsforge has a review of Nvu today. >> > > http://programming.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/04/28/1915249&from=rss > >>-- >>Brian Skahan >>http://bskahan.etria.com >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> > > > > Yahoo! Mail > Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: > http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > > In case you missed it in the suggestions, NVU does run on windows or Linux..... From jim at winonacotter.org Thu May 5 21:10:17 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 16:10:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] New FC3 server, how to export /home correctly? In-Reply-To: <001501c55199$e582fc20$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <001801c551b6$d64b6450$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Could this be simplified with the following in /etc/exports? > > /home > 207.160.224.0/255.255.255.0(rw,sync,insecure_locks,no_root_squash) > > This should share to the whole subnet, I know it isn't as > secure but you can always narrow it down later. With the problems you are having I would really try this for simplification and then narrow it down after everything works. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From missive at hotmail.com Thu May 5 21:11:44 2005 From: missive at hotmail.com (Lee Harr) Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 01:41:44 +0430 Subject: [K12OSN] (no subject) Message-ID: >>As always, the Library will be thinking about what I'm trying to >>achieve by this, but how do I persuade them that all I'm after is >>giving the library users a chance to avoid getting locked into a >>Proprietary world...? >> >I would show OpenOffice, Firefox, and Thunderbird making sure you show >them on Windows AND Linux. Only after showing these applications would >I show and discuss Linux. The "selling" point is that you don't have >anything to sell. > In fact, you could (and should) give it away. The Open CD is very nice, and Live CD Linux distros are all over the place now. How many Windows, Word, and Excel CDs is the library handing out? _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu May 5 22:35:36 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 15:35:36 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] tentative roadmap, request for input Message-ID: <427A9FB8.4080801@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> First and foremost, I really enjoyed the Ubuntu Down Under conference. It is clear that the developers are working hard on making Ubuntu the ideal base for projects such as K12LTSP. All of the bits and pieces of K12LTSP are expected to be included in the next release of Ubuntu (due in October). If everything pans out as I expect, Ubuntu version 5.10 will make the current version of K12LTSP largely irrelevant. If this wish comes true, we can devote more resources to the next stage of world domination ;-) But October is a long ways away. Here is my tentative plan-of-attack for the next two months: 1) Build the current K12LTSP packages for RHEL 4. I'll also make available ISOs of the same packages built into Centos 4, since we can re-distribute that. 2) FC4 is due the first week of June. I'll incorporate the current K12LTSP packages. 3) Development of the next generation of LTSP will continue with Ubuntu as the base. I'm pretty happy with the current K12LTSP release. Porting it to RHEL4/Centos4 will be a good base for those who want to maintain the status-quo for the coming year (or years ;-) A new release built on FC4 will be for those who want to continue charging forward with the bleeding-edge. Doing R&D work on an Ubuntu base will help me get my feet wet in the Debian-based world and start figuring out how we can deal with supporting significantly different base systems. What do you all think of this plan? I'm not too worried about spreading myself too thin, but I do worry about creating excessive confusion. Offering two versions at the same time while spending much time discussing a third version may be a bit much for most people ;-) Are their any other ideas, concerns, partnerships, or alternate strategies that we should address before mid-summer? -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From brcisna at frontiernet.net Thu May 5 23:08:53 2005 From: brcisna at frontiernet.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 18:08:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] printers sometimes "dies", anyone have a recipe Message-ID: <004001c551c7$6869e7c0$01fea8c0@brcHOST> Hi ALL, Just wondreing if anyone has had a" hiccup" were network printers ,,after printing several pages just "dies"// We are running K12LTSP 4.2.0 This didnt seem to happen on version 4.1.0. When i lpq ,nothing shows in the que,as if it things were'nt ever received into the printer que. This is on any of the HP4050 Laserjet printers. I have tryed the Laserjet4( which seemd to work fine on 4.1.0), and just today switched to the (maybe) more cpmpatable HP4050 driver. Of course I can ping all these printers at their static Ip address fine. I have seen a couple occasions were one or more printers have "stopped" in the CUPS web interface ,,and after clicking on "start" then several pages spew out,,but then in time one or two printers dies,,thereafter and no ques,are being shown for the printers,all that can be done is a reboot of the server, then life is good again:(. Thanks, Barry From robark at gmail.com Thu May 5 23:15:21 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 16:15:21 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] tentative roadmap, request for input In-Reply-To: <427A9FB8.4080801@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <427A9FB8.4080801@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: On 5/5/05, Eric Harrison wrote: > 1) Build the current K12LTSP packages for RHEL 4. I'll also make > available ISOs of the same packages built into Centos 4, since we can > re-distribute that. ... > I'm pretty happy with the current K12LTSP release. Porting it to > RHEL4/Centos4 will be a good base for those who want to maintain the > status-quo for the coming year (or years ;-) Excellent plan Eric. I will start from scratch this summer with the new Centos4/K12LTSP for my school. Looking forward to it. Thank you. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From missive at hotmail.com Thu May 5 23:13:54 2005 From: missive at hotmail.com (Lee Harr) Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 03:43:54 +0430 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Gcj vs javac Message-ID: >I'm preparing for an eventual programming class in Java. I had a few >semesters of Java in college. I tried the very simple "Hello World" using >gcj, only to have it tell me it didn't know what main was ("undefined >reference to main"). Apparently with gcj you need to tell the compiler which class has the main function. So if this is your hello.java file: class hello_java { public static void main(String args[]) { System.out.println("Hello World!"); } } You could compile it with: gcj --main=hello_java hello.java And run it with: ./a.out _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From nbs at sonic.net Fri May 6 00:37:44 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 17:37:44 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] IceWM and some KDE apps In-Reply-To: References: <200505041514.03850.niurkaholt@cantv.net> Message-ID: <20050506003744.GA23167@bolt.sonic.net> On Wed, May 04, 2005 at 03:18:48PM -0400, Christopher Butler wrote: > Obviously, this is a solution, but not a good one. So, my question now > is, how do I get kdeinit to run correctly on login? I'm no KDE expert, but I notice on my Debian system (where I run KDE apps on top of a KDE desktop) that most of the processes don't show up in the process table simply as "program_name" (e.g., "amarok" or "konquerort"), but as "kdeinit: program_name arguments...") Perhaps it has to do with how "kstars" is being launched??? (I can't imagine why; KDE apps seem to figure themselves out alright, even if they're not under a strict KDE environment, but obviously not in your case ;^) ) Good luck! -bill! From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri May 6 00:52:42 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 20:52:42 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] tentative roadmap, request for input In-Reply-To: <427A9FB8.4080801@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <427A9FB8.4080801@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: I agree....I think your goal is a good one. Here's how I see it from the trenches. I will upgrade this summer to the latest version based on FC4 probably. I will run that and any immediate upgrades for the coming school year. Next fall/winter will be the time I see many of us working to make the Ubuntu K12LTSP release a workable solution (should be rock solid stable when we're done). I love Ubuntu and currently run Kubuntu on my own new laptop along with the PPC version on an older Apple "Pismo" Powerbook. I too am starting to delve into the world of Debian and as I progress further into it....the more I like the way it's set up. Matt Oquist and talked at length the other day about updating the smbldap-installer prior to the Northeast Linux Conference. Minor updates to include the latest packages. On top of that we also talked about writing it for Ubuntu. Matt was all ready to rewrite everything (including a new set of tools) from the ground up to adhere to "Debian" rules when I pointed out to him that smbldap-tools are part of/packaged with Samba. We found them part of Ubuntu's repository. Phew! Taking that into consideration it should be a relatively straightforward "rewrite" of the script. We need to study the paths and so forth to see where packages live and where things go, but that should be easy enough once I have this "Debian" thing figured out. We'll get the chance to talk for 3 days straight at the NE Linux conference. ;-) So....while we have our FC4 servers in production we can work the kinks out of Ubuntu and hit the ground running next summer with our shiny new Ubuntu rollout complete with smbldap-installer....a TeacherTool that works with Debian....and hopefully RunSpy and/or vnc-reflector or the new X.org possibility for sharing your screen that I heard about at Linux World in Boston (Eric Tyack of LTSP was pretty pumped about it.) So....your plan is good....go forth and conquer! "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, May 5, 2005 at 6:35 PM +0000 wrote: > >First and foremost, I really enjoyed the Ubuntu Down Under conference. >It is clear that the developers are working hard on making Ubuntu the >ideal base for projects such as K12LTSP. All of the bits and pieces of >K12LTSP are expected to be included in the next release of Ubuntu (due >in October). > >If everything pans out as I expect, Ubuntu version 5.10 will make the >current version of K12LTSP largely irrelevant. If this wish comes true, >we can devote more resources to the next stage of world domination ;-) > >But October is a long ways away. > >Here is my tentative plan-of-attack for the next two months: > >1) Build the current K12LTSP packages for RHEL 4. I'll also make >available ISOs of the same packages built into Centos 4, since we can >re-distribute that. > >2) FC4 is due the first week of June. I'll incorporate the current >K12LTSP packages. > >3) Development of the next generation of LTSP will continue with Ubuntu >as the base. > > > > >I'm pretty happy with the current K12LTSP release. Porting it to >RHEL4/Centos4 will be a good base for those who want to maintain the >status-quo for the coming year (or years ;-) > >A new release built on FC4 will be for those who want to continue >charging forward with the bleeding-edge. > >Doing R&D work on an Ubuntu base will help me get my feet wet in the >Debian-based world and start figuring out how we can deal with >supporting significantly different base systems. > > > >What do you all think of this plan? I'm not too worried about spreading >myself too thin, but I do worry about creating excessive confusion. >Offering two versions at the same time while spending much time >discussing a third version may be a bit much for most people ;-) > >Are their any other ideas, concerns, partnerships, or alternate >strategies that we should address before mid-summer? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri May 6 00:57:47 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 20:57:47 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] printers sometimes "dies", anyone have a recipe In-Reply-To: <004001c551c7$6869e7c0$01fea8c0@brcHOST> References: <004001c551c7$6869e7c0$01fea8c0@brcHOST> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, May 5, 2005 at 7:08 PM +0000 wrote: > I have seen a couple occasions were one or more printers have >"stopped" >in the CUPS web interface ,,and after clicking on "start" then several >pages >spew out,,but then in time one or two printers dies,,thereafter and no >ques,are being shown for the printers,all that can be done is a reboot of >the server, then life is good again:(. I've seen a few occassions a couple of years ago where improper paper size (many linux systems default on A4 and not US Letter) caused things to seize up....only a reboot would solve it. Once I went in and made sure the default was US Letter in everything....it was fine. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Fri May 6 00:57:47 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 20:57:47 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] printers sometimes "dies", anyone have a recipe In-Reply-To: <004001c551c7$6869e7c0$01fea8c0@brcHOST> References: <004001c551c7$6869e7c0$01fea8c0@brcHOST> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, May 5, 2005 at 7:08 PM +0000 wrote: > I have seen a couple occasions were one or more printers have >"stopped" >in the CUPS web interface ,,and after clicking on "start" then several >pages >spew out,,but then in time one or two printers dies,,thereafter and no >ques,are being shown for the printers,all that can be done is a reboot of >the server, then life is good again:(. I've seen a few occassions a couple of years ago where improper paper size (many linux systems default on A4 and not US Letter) caused things to seize up....only a reboot would solve it. Once I went in and made sure the default was US Letter in everything....it was fine. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From niurkaholt at cantv.net Fri May 6 01:16:28 2005 From: niurkaholt at cantv.net (Richard/n) Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 21:16:28 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] tentative roadmap, request for input In-Reply-To: References: <427A9FB8.4080801@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <200505052116.31315.niurkaholt@cantv.net> On Thursday 05 May 2005 08:52 pm, David Trask wrote: . . . > to make the Ubuntu K12LTSP release a workable solution (should be rock > solid stable when we're done). I love Ubuntu and currently run Kubuntu on > my own new laptop along with the PPC version on an older Apple "Pismo" > Powerbook. I too am starting to delve into the world of Debian and as I I read of a problem adding a 2nd user to Kubuntu on another list. Can someone who is running Kubuntu, and can make a good backup, give this a try: create a 2nd user and see if you can work with it? Thanks, Richard. From robark at gmail.com Fri May 6 02:09:06 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 19:09:06 -0700 Subject: [ok-mail] [K12OSN] TeacherTool question In-Reply-To: <200505041419.10398.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> References: <200504261240.11067.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> <200505041419.10398.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> Message-ID: The needed passwords for teachertool to launch the vnc reflector at least is the users password. Since this is not feasible since each user has different passwords then the root password is the only one that can override. At least this is my take on the situation although David Trask would be the one to ask. One other option (if it will work at all) is trying to add the teacher to the sudoers list and adding teachertool tothe app list. Never done this but it's the best I can come up with. I'm the only one who uses it at my school for this exact reason. I don't tend to advertise this feature either as the root password is not something to share. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Fri May 6 02:21:34 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 21:21:34 -0500 Subject: [ok-mail] [K12OSN] TeacherTool question In-Reply-To: References: <200504261240.11067.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> <200505041419.10398.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Could you make SchoolTool SUID root and owned by root the teacher's group? This way the teachers could run it with root's permissions without giving them access to the root password. On May 5, 2005, at 9:09 PM, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > The needed passwords for teachertool to launch the vnc reflector at > least is the users password. Since this is not feasible since each > user has different passwords then the root password is the only one > that can override. At least this is my take on the situation although > David Trask would be the one to ask. One other option (if it will work > at all) is trying to add the teacher to the sudoers list and adding > teachertool tothe app list. Never done this but it's the best I can > come up with. I'm the only one who uses it at my school for this exact > reason. I don't tend to advertise this feature either as the root > password is not something to share. > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkJ61K4ACgkQfqZR3ThMfXREFQCdEMfZvF9fo+UsEscWSGp67R9F BAYAnRvC02gElV0dVewR4PVr9gAVdJeu =waOE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From wescott at sc.rr.com Fri May 6 04:51:36 2005 From: wescott at sc.rr.com (Michael C Wescott) Date: 06 May 2005 00:51:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Gcj vs javac In-Reply-To: <200505050056.j450uah19589@www.mi-spot.com> References: <200505050056.j450uah19589@www.mi-spot.com> Message-ID: <1115355095.19233.12.camel@eriadne> On Wed, 2005-05-04 at 21:08, Eric Brown wrote: > Any strong feelings or success stories about any IDE's? I'd just stick with > gedit, but I'd like it to do a little more for me. Probably not the advice you want to hear but the basic Linux system is a great IDE all by itself. All the tools are there and tend to work more reliably than and more predictably than IDE's. My personal preference is for 2 or 3 xterms on a screen plus as many editor (vi or emacs) windows as I need; all spead over several virtual desktops. One xterm runs the makes or compiles, one or two for greps, a web browser for documentation, and so on. It's like having a large toolbox with a variety of tools rather than one giant cumbersome swiss-army knife. From john at coronet.co.uk Fri May 6 08:52:58 2005 From: john at coronet.co.uk (John Ingleby) Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 09:52:58 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] TES: Ditching Microsoft can save millions In-Reply-To: <20050506022201.6B87873415@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050506022201.6B87873415@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1115369578.31940.37.camel@sabre.house.coronet.net> You might like to read this article appearing in today's Times Educational Supplement, Britain's leading educational weekly newspaper: http://www.tes.co.uk/2094985 The article covers a government study that reveals how using open source software "raises the prospect of millions of pounds of savings for British schools and colleges which spend around ?1 billion a year on ICT." A big "thank you" to the open source community, and especially to K12LTSP and LTSP, for all the pioneering hard work that has demonstrated the benefits of open source. We will continue to do our best to bring open source values as well as software to our schools and colleges in UK. John Ingleby ************ Webmaster - www.schoolforge.org.uk From keith at gsps.wcape.school.za Fri May 6 09:11:39 2005 From: keith at gsps.wcape.school.za (keith) Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 11:11:39 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Ditching Microsoft can save millions In-Reply-To: <1115369578.31940.37.camel@sabre.house.coronet.net> References: <20050506022201.6B87873415@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <427b351e.122a.keith@gsps.wcape.school.za> > Primary schools could cut their computer costs by nearly half if > they stopped buying, operating and supporting products from the > world?s largest software company, government research has found. - Article in British Newspaper!! Oh - Yes, Yes, Yes - so we were right! Keith From gary.frederick at jsoft.com Fri May 6 10:21:36 2005 From: gary.frederick at jsoft.com (Gary Frederick) Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 05:21:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Gcj vs javac In-Reply-To: <200505050056.j450uah19589@www.mi-spot.com> References: <200505050056.j450uah19589@www.mi-spot.com> Message-ID: <1115374896.3172.13.camel@server.ltsp> Howdy Install Sun's jdk and jEdit and you have enough to make the first steps easy for the kids. An IDE can end up hiding details and the first lessons in Java just need a command line and an editor. However... I plan on introducing Eclipse as soon as I can. Gary http://www.jedit.org/ On Wed, 2005-05-04 at 20:08 -0500, Eric Brown wrote: > Hello All, > > I'm preparing for an eventual programming class in Java. I had a few > semesters of Java in college. I tried the very simple "Hello World" using > gcj, only to have it tell me it didn't know what main was ("undefined > reference to main"). I usually figure I made the mistake, so I googled > Hello > World, and copied and pasted someone else's code and still got the same > error. > > How different is gcj vs javac? Will I mess up my terminal server setup if I > install Sun's SDK? > > Any strong feelings or success stories about any IDE's? I'd just stick with > gedit, but I'd like it to do a little more for me. > > Thanks, > Eric > > Viva la Open Source! > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From hick518 at yahoo.com Fri May 6 10:46:40 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 03:46:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] tentative roadmap, request for input In-Reply-To: <427A9FB8.4080801@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <20050506104640.63659.qmail@web41611.mail.yahoo.com> Eric, Excellent plan. Seems like a lot of work for you, but if you're up to it then I'm all for it. I don't know how all this packaging mumbo-jumbo works, so I may be way off-base here, but here goes. How about publishing some sort of document with each K12LTSP release, specifying what packages are included and what config files are edited in what ways. This document could then be used as a guide by anybody who has the time/knowledge/initiative to package K12LTSP for their distribution of choice. The official K12LTSP releases will be maintained by you: K12LTSP on RHEL, K12LTSP on FC, K12LTSP on Ubuntu. But sooner or later other versions will pop up in community-maintained repositories: K12LTSP on Mandrake, K12LTSP on SUSE, etc. I figure somewhere there is somebody who would love to start using K12LTSP, but who just switched his school/company from Windows to SUSE (for example), and will be lynched if he tries to switch to K12LTSP -- unless it looks just like SUSE. -Rob --- Eric Harrison wrote: > > First and foremost, I really enjoyed the Ubuntu Down > Under conference. > It is clear that the developers are working hard on > making Ubuntu the > ideal base for projects such as K12LTSP. All of the > bits and pieces of > K12LTSP are expected to be included in the next > release of Ubuntu (due > in October). > > If everything pans out as I expect, Ubuntu version > 5.10 will make the > current version of K12LTSP largely irrelevant. If > this wish comes true, > we can devote more resources to the next stage of > world domination ;-) > > But October is a long ways away. > > Here is my tentative plan-of-attack for the next two > months: > > 1) Build the current K12LTSP packages for RHEL 4. > I'll also make > available ISOs of the same packages built into > Centos 4, since we can > re-distribute that. > > 2) FC4 is due the first week of June. I'll > incorporate the current > K12LTSP packages. > > 3) Development of the next generation of LTSP will > continue with Ubuntu > as the base. > > > > > I'm pretty happy with the current K12LTSP release. > Porting it to > RHEL4/Centos4 will be a good base for those who want > to maintain the > status-quo for the coming year (or years ;-) > > A new release built on FC4 will be for those who > want to continue > charging forward with the bleeding-edge. > > Doing R&D work on an Ubuntu base will help me get my > feet wet in the > Debian-based world and start figuring out how we can > deal with > supporting significantly different base systems. > > > > What do you all think of this plan? I'm not too > worried about spreading > myself too thin, but I do worry about creating > excessive confusion. > Offering two versions at the same time while > spending much time > discussing a third version may be a bit much for > most people ;-) > > Are their any other ideas, concerns, partnerships, > or alternate > strategies that we should address before mid-summer? > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail From dyioulos at firstbhph.com Fri May 6 10:56:18 2005 From: dyioulos at firstbhph.com (Dimitri Yioulos) Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 06:56:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] tentative roadmap, request for input In-Reply-To: <20050506104640.63659.qmail@web41611.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050506104640.63659.qmail@web41611.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200505060656.18846.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> Eric, I agree with previous replies that this is an excellent plan. I'm especially pleased that K12LTSP will also use CentOS. I've been using CentOS 3 it in my own environment for the better part of a year, and have found it to be rock-solid. Thanks to you and all contributors for all your efforts. Dimitri On Friday May 6 2005 6:46 am, Rob Owens wrote: > Eric, > > Excellent plan. Seems like a lot of work for you, but > if you're up to it then I'm all for it. > > I don't know how all this packaging mumbo-jumbo works, > so I may be way off-base here, but here goes. How > about publishing some sort of document with each > K12LTSP release, specifying what packages are included > and what config files are edited in what ways. This > document could then be used as a guide by anybody who > has the time/knowledge/initiative to package K12LTSP > for their distribution of choice. > > The official K12LTSP releases will be maintained by > you: K12LTSP on RHEL, K12LTSP on FC, K12LTSP on > Ubuntu. But sooner or later other versions will pop > up in community-maintained repositories: K12LTSP on > Mandrake, K12LTSP on SUSE, etc. > > I figure somewhere there is somebody who would love to > start using K12LTSP, but who just switched his > school/company from Windows to SUSE (for example), and > will be lynched if he tries to switch to K12LTSP -- > unless it looks just like SUSE. > > -Rob > > --- Eric Harrison > > wrote: > > First and foremost, I really enjoyed the Ubuntu Down > > Under conference. > > It is clear that the developers are working hard on > > making Ubuntu the > > ideal base for projects such as K12LTSP. All of the > > bits and pieces of > > K12LTSP are expected to be included in the next > > release of Ubuntu (due > > in October). > > > > If everything pans out as I expect, Ubuntu version > > 5.10 will make the > > current version of K12LTSP largely irrelevant. If > > this wish comes true, > > we can devote more resources to the next stage of > > world domination ;-) > > > > But October is a long ways away. > > > > Here is my tentative plan-of-attack for the next two > > months: > > > > 1) Build the current K12LTSP packages for RHEL 4. > > I'll also make > > available ISOs of the same packages built into > > Centos 4, since we can > > re-distribute that. > > > > 2) FC4 is due the first week of June. I'll > > incorporate the current > > K12LTSP packages. > > > > 3) Development of the next generation of LTSP will > > continue with Ubuntu > > as the base. > > > > > > > > > > I'm pretty happy with the current K12LTSP release. > > Porting it to > > RHEL4/Centos4 will be a good base for those who want > > to maintain the > > status-quo for the coming year (or years ;-) > > > > A new release built on FC4 will be for those who > > want to continue > > charging forward with the bleeding-edge. > > > > Doing R&D work on an Ubuntu base will help me get my > > feet wet in the > > Debian-based world and start figuring out how we can > > deal with > > supporting significantly different base systems. > > > > > > > > What do you all think of this plan? I'm not too > > worried about spreading > > myself too thin, but I do worry about creating > > excessive confusion. > > Offering two versions at the same time while > > spending much time > > discussing a third version may be a bit much for > > most people ;-) > > > > Are their any other ideas, concerns, partnerships, > > or alternate > > strategies that we should address before mid-summer? > > > > -Eric > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail Mobile > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From julius at turtle.com Fri May 6 12:22:32 2005 From: julius at turtle.com (Julius Szelagiewicz) Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 08:22:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] users kicked out on 4.2.1 In-Reply-To: <20050504122154.D28411CE303@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20050504122154.D28411CE303@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <41448.216.216.171.3.1115382152.squirrel@216.216.171.3> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > Hi ! > I was just reading this mail and noticed this > "Maybe I should check my pinginterval setting and make >> > sure it's not set to zero..." observ not set to zero. > you just said that you did set it to zero. > Dont know if it helps but thought i should mention it ! > > cheers Kjell Andersson > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Julius Szelagiewicz" > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] users kicked out on 4.2.1 > Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 09:33:42 -0400 (EDT) > >> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> > --- Jim McQuillan wrote: >> > >> >> But, the pinginterval is there for a reason. To >> >> detect displays that >> >> have dissappeared or are hung up for some reason. >> >> >> >> That's how GDM knows that it should kill any child >> >> processes if a user >> >> turns off their terminal. >> >> >> > >> > Isn't this the feature that doesn't seem to work, >> > leaving servers with orphaned processes when a user's >> > terminal either locks up or is powered-off without >> > logging out properly? >> > >> > Maybe I should check my pinginterval setting and make >> > sure it's not set to zero... >> > >> > -Rob >> >> The continuing saga of users being kicked out on 4.2.1: >> I am doing the following things: >> 1. keep my fingers crossed, 2. knock on unpainted wood as all stations >> are >> still ok. >> I have done the following: >> 1. put the X ping interval at 0, 2 very carefully edited the lts.conf >> file >> removing all obsolete references. >> I am contemplating the following, if stations continue to fail: >> 1. return to the previous version of LTSP, specifically, use the >> /opt/ltsp >> and /tftpdir/ltsp from before upgrade. 2. switch to a different windows >> manager (IceWM) was ruled out - the users don't want to change. >> >> I'll keep you posted. julius >> > Kjell, nice try, but the timeout value is set to 0. This helped a lot, but there were still hangups. I added gdm-reset to the nightly cron job and the incidence went down to almost nothing - 2 hangups in 3 days. I still don't know the cause. julius -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCe2GI2LhlZOaj6vURAh0VAKCKHLc64Jk21hpZ+tKH2c/SnZhILQCfcyuK 0nxvpQQ++XgQf27oTyEhzQc= =NEfv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From les at futuresource.com Fri May 6 12:34:24 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 07:34:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Gcj vs javac In-Reply-To: <200505050056.j450uah19589@www.mi-spot.com> References: <200505050056.j450uah19589@www.mi-spot.com> Message-ID: <1115382864.5512.2.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-05-04 at 20:08, Eric Brown wrote: > Any strong feelings or success stories about any IDE's? I'd just stick with > gedit, but I'd like it to do a little more for me. Have you looked at eclipse: http://www.eclipse.org/? -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri May 6 13:14:42 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 09:14:42 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] tentative roadmap, request for input In-Reply-To: <427A9FB8.4080801@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <427A9FB8.4080801@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <427B6DC2.3050508@inlandlakes.org> Eric Harrison wrote: > 3) Development of the next generation of LTSP will continue with Ubuntu > as the base. w00h00!! I don't feel so bad for my "why not debian" rants a few years back, I was just before my time... :) I think your plan is an incredible one. -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From dalen at czexan.net Fri May 6 13:21:45 2005 From: dalen at czexan.net (Dale Sykora) Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 08:21:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] tentative roadmap, request for input In-Reply-To: <427A9FB8.4080801@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <427A9FB8.4080801@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <427B6F69.6030309@czexan.net> Eric Harrison wrote: > Here is my tentative plan-of-attack for the next two months: > > 1) Build the current K12LTSP packages for RHEL 4. I'll also make > available ISOs of the same packages built into Centos 4, since we can > re-distribute that. > > 2) FC4 is due the first week of June. I'll incorporate the current > K12LTSP packages. > > 3) Development of the next generation of LTSP will continue with Ubuntu > as the base. Strong with this one, the source is. From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri May 6 15:48:19 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 08:48:19 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] tentative roadmap, request for input In-Reply-To: <20050506104640.63659.qmail@web41611.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050506104640.63659.qmail@web41611.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <427B91C3.7030300@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Rob Owens wrote: > Eric, > > Excellent plan. Seems like a lot of work for you, but > if you're up to it then I'm all for it. > > I don't know how all this packaging mumbo-jumbo works, > so I may be way off-base here, but here goes. How > about publishing some sort of document with each > K12LTSP release, specifying what packages are included > and what config files are edited in what ways. This > document could then be used as a guide by anybody who > has the time/knowledge/initiative to package K12LTSP > for their distribution of choice. To someone who is cluefull at packaging, I already publish everything they need to know to build a K12LTSP clone. It is relatively easy to do, but a lot of work. > The official K12LTSP releases will be maintained by > you: K12LTSP on RHEL, K12LTSP on FC, K12LTSP on > Ubuntu. But sooner or later other versions will pop > up in community-maintained repositories: K12LTSP on > Mandrake, K12LTSP on SUSE, etc. The work being done between Ubuntu and LTSP is to make LTSP more distribution-friendly. The goal is to make it easy and as little work as possible to integrate LTSP into an arbitrary distribution. I may or may not be the maintainer of packages for various distributions. As far as I can tell, I *won't* be involved in maintaining the Ubuntu packages. I helped do the hard design work, once that is done the packaging part is all but trivial. > I figure somewhere there is somebody who would love to > start using K12LTSP, but who just switched his > school/company from Windows to SUSE (for example), and > will be lynched if he tries to switch to K12LTSP -- > unless it looks just like SUSE. You can already run LTSP on SUSE, you just have to manually install it. You can think of K12LTSP just as LTSP pre-installed into Fedora. Having LTSP work "out-of-the-box" is a very nice feature of K12LTSP, but LTSP itself is really not all that hard to install these days... -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Assuming that ubuntu really can pull off their promise of a fast release schedule without losing stability, it is. It will be nice if you don't have to choose one or the other as with the fedora/RHEL split, but it is a lot to ask. I'm still a little skeptical, especially given the history of the debian base refusing to declare anything stable until it is so old no one wants to run it. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From lsrpm-1 at shaw.ca Fri May 6 16:09:53 2005 From: lsrpm-1 at shaw.ca (Liam Marshall) Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 11:09:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] tentative roadmap, request for input Message-ID: <2cb07412cb003d.2cb003d2cb0741@shaw.ca> First and foremost, I really enjoyed the Ubuntu Down Under conference. It is clear that the developers are working hard on making Ubuntu the ideal base for projects such as K12LTSP. All of the bits and pieces of K12LTSP are expected to be included in the next release of Ubuntu (due in October). If everything pans out as I expect, Ubuntu version 5.10 will make the current version of K12LTSP largely irrelevant. If this wish comes true, we can devote more resources to the next stage of world domination ;-) But October is a long ways away. Here is my tentative plan-of-attack for the next two months: 1) Build the current K12LTSP packages for RHEL 4. I'll also make available ISOs of the same packages built into Centos 4, since we can re-distribute that. 2) FC4 is due the first week of June. I'll incorporate the current K12LTSP packages. 3) Development of the next generation of LTSP will continue with Ubuntu as the base. snip.... so for my thick mind, ( just finished marking American History Essays!) the very next "release" of K12LTSP is still going to be based on Fedora 3, right? I mean, the ubuntu version is a long way off right? I am speaking of a version of ubuntu that comes "with" LTSP. Call me silly but the less work I need to do in my hectic schedule the better. I love out of the box solutions when they are as well put together as the current release is! I am downloaded the live cd of ubuntu to see if it solves my one big remaining issue (sound) if it does I will be waiting very impatiently, for the K12LTSP with the Ubuntu base. When is that coming out, btw? Keep up the great, must be exhausting, work! Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig553B785E3D10C5E92448AF3C" --------------enig553B785E3D10C5E92448AF3C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit First and foremost, I really enjoyed the Ubuntu Down Under conference. It is clear that the developers are working hard on making Ubuntu the ideal base for projects such as K12LTSP. All of the bits and pieces of K12LTSP are expected to be included in the next release of Ubuntu (due in October). If everything pans out as I expect, Ubuntu version 5.10 will make the current version of K12LTSP largely irrelevant. If this wish comes true, we can devote more resources to the next stage of world domination ;-) But October is a long ways away. Here is my tentative plan-of-attack for the next two months: 1) Build the current K12LTSP packages for RHEL 4. I'll also make available ISOs of the same packages built into Centos 4, since we can re-distribute that. 2) FC4 is due the first week of June. I'll incorporate the current K12LTSP packages. 3) Development of the next generation of LTSP will continue with Ubuntu as the base. I'm pretty happy with the current K12LTSP release. Porting it to RHEL4/Centos4 will be a good base for those who want to maintain the status-quo for the coming year (or years ;-) A new release built on FC4 will be for those who want to continue charging forward with the bleeding-edge. Doing R&D work on an Ubuntu base will help me get my feet wet in the Debian-based world and start figuring out how we can deal with supporting significantly different base systems. What do you all think of this plan? I'm not too worried about spreading myself too thin, but I do worry about creating excessive confusion. Offering two versions at the same time while spending much time discussing a third version may be a bit much for most people ;-) Are their any other ideas, concerns, partnerships, or alternate strategies that we should address before mid-summer? -Eric --------------enig553B785E3D10C5E92448AF3C-- -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri May 6 16:12:33 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 09:12:33 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] tentative roadmap, request for input In-Reply-To: <1115395551.19561.52.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <427A9FB8.4080801@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <427B6DC2.3050508@inlandlakes.org> <1115395551.19561.52.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <427B9771.1010503@paasda.org> Les Mikesell wrote: > > Assuming that ubuntu really can pull off their promise of a fast > release schedule without losing stability, it is. It will be > nice if you don't have to choose one or the other as with the > fedora/RHEL split, but it is a lot to ask. I'm still a little > skeptical, especially given the history of the debian base > refusing to declare anything stable until it is so old no one > wants to run it. > I don't know too many who run debian and actually use the 'antique "stable"' release, almost everyone I know even in production environments use 'unstable'...and there is an even more bleeding edge one but I forget it's repository name, "freaky" perhaps =) Debian stable I believe doesn't even have built in USB "jump drive" support yet... --Huck From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Fri May 6 16:13:49 2005 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 12:13:49 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Gcj vs javac In-Reply-To: <20050506160022.1B8C8734F6@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050506160022.1B8C8734F6@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1115396029.7641.17.camel@phoenix.hhp> I second eclipse! It performed alot better than netbeans (I found netbeans to be a little compile wonky... it gave wierd errors when the command line javac worked perfectly). Henry > From: Les Mikesell > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Gcj vs javac > Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 07:34:24 -0500 > > On Wed, 2005-05-04 at 20:08, Eric Brown wrote: > > > Any strong feelings or success stories about any IDE's? I'd just stick with > > gedit, but I'd like it to do a little more for me. > > Have you looked at eclipse: http://www.eclipse.org/? > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > From shahms at shahms.com Fri May 6 16:25:48 2005 From: shahms at shahms.com (Shahms King) Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 09:25:48 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] tentative roadmap, request for input In-Reply-To: <427A9FB8.4080801@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <427A9FB8.4080801@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <427B9A8C.1090401@shahms.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 First; David Trask: | Matt Oquist and talked at length the other day about updating the | smbldap-installer prior to the Northeast Linux Conference. Minor updates | to include the latest packages. On top of that we also talked about | writing it for Ubuntu. Matt was all ready to rewrite everything | (including a new set of tools) from the ground up to adhere to "Debian" | rules when I pointed out to him that smbldap-tools are part of/packaged | with Samba. We found them part of Ubuntu's repository. Phew! Taking | that into consideration it should be a relatively straightforward | "rewrite" of the script. We need to study the paths and so forth to see | where packages live and where things go, but that should be easy enough | once I have this "Debian" thing figured out. Matt and I were talking about this at UDU under the guise of "Network Authentication"[1] which is likely where his inspiration for rewriting everything to fit with with Debian policy came from. Basically, RedHat/Fedora make setting up network authentication and user information dead easy with authconfig, but that particular package tramps all over config files from many, many packages and, in so doing, violates ~3 different policy guidelines. Of course, the GNOME System Tools do the same thing and they are the "official" Ubuntu GUI admin tools, so ... Anyway, part of what needs to be done for this work is something which enables and configures winbind in smb.conf which the current smbldap scripts (obviously) don't do. Actually, a big part of the thin client integration[2] involves similar work as one of the big pieces for making LTSP "Just Work" is setting up or modifying configuration from other packages. Of course all the arguments against Debian are still valid, which is why the work is being done on Ubuntu ;-P A big chunk of the Ubuntu effort is related to MueKow, i.e. "getting rid of the LBE" and will happen in stages (the goal for 5.10 is to eliminate the LBE by using something akin to debootstrap to set up the client root and then ship that hunk as a package). Ubuntu will (probably) never "ship with LTSP" on CD as they (quite reasonably) want to limit it to only one CD. The DVD is a different story, though. I think the plan is to make it as simple as: ~ 1. install Ubuntu ~ 2. apt-get install ltsp; apt-get install ltsp-client-i386 While at the same time making it easy for people to release derivative distributions that do this out of the box[3]. There are many more very enlightening Wiki pages than the ones linked below, I recommend poking around that site for a while to get a good idea of where Ubuntu wants to go for 5.10 and beyond. [1] http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkAuthentication [2] http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientIntegration [3] http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu - -- Shahms E. King Multnomah ESD Public Key: http://shahms.mesd.k12.or.us/~sking/shahms.asc Fingerprint: 1612 054B CE92 8770 F1EA AB1B FEAB 3636 45B2 D75B -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCe5qM/qs2NkWy11sRAkYrAJ4sJlS/sW1AdMme7tNqkhikNukUKQCfV8ZP iOy59wiwmxKKNrLtcnsrGRY= =6ao9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From hick518 at yahoo.com Fri May 6 16:30:58 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 09:30:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] tentative roadmap, request for input In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050506163058.2270.qmail@web41608.mail.yahoo.com> --- Eric Harrison wrote: > You can already run LTSP on SUSE, you just have to > manually install it. > You can think of K12LTSP just as LTSP pre-installed > into Fedora. > > Having LTSP work "out-of-the-box" is a very nice > feature of K12LTSP, but > LTSP itself is really not all that hard to install > these days... > > -Eric I understand that. I am just hopefull that someday we will have the out-of-the-box performance of the current K12LTSP distibution (and including the educational bits) available for any distro. I didn't mind installing ltsp on top of Mandrake, but it did require some knowledge of linux, whereas the K12LTSP distro requires almost none (as shown in the recent "too cool" post). -Rob Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the weekend. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/weekend.html From xwraithanx at gmail.com Fri May 6 17:21:44 2005 From: xwraithanx at gmail.com (Chris McDonald) Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 10:21:44 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Wine and MegaMUD Message-ID: <7822ca0d050506102137a3ebe4@mail.gmail.com> I am new to this mailing ring, just started into linux about a month ago and I run Fedora Core 3. I am usually pretty good with computer, but linux is a whole new ball game. I have been attempting to make a program called MegaMUD, a scripting program for MajorMUD a text based telnet game. [wraithan at localhost ~]$ wine "c:\program files\megamud\megamud.exe" fixme:font:WineEngCreateFontInstance Untranslated charset 255 fixme:font:WineEngCreateFontInstance Untranslated charset 255 fixme:font:WineEngCreateFontInstance Untranslated charset 255 fixme:richedit:RichEditANSIWndProc WM_SETFONT: stub err:x11drv:X11DRV_CreateWindow invalid window width -21 X Error of failed request: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes) Major opcode of failed request: 1 (X_CreateWindow) Serial number of failed request: 238 Current serial number in output stream: 239 I have tried searching the error messages and what not in google and have read through a lot of the Wine manual, none has told me what I need to do. I was told it is easy to set up MegaMUD with wine, but I must of messed something up. 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If there is a link can you post it. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From robark at gmail.com Fri May 6 18:16:42 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 11:16:42 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Ditching Microsoft can save millions In-Reply-To: References: <20050506022201.6B87873415@hormel.redhat.com> <1115369578.31940.37.camel@sabre.house.coronet.net> <427b351e.122a.keith@gsps.wcape.school.za> Message-ID: On 5/6/05, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > If there is a link can you post it. Nevermind I just read the other post. TES:Ditching Microsoft can save millions -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri May 6 18:19:40 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 11:19:40 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] tentative roadmap, request for input In-Reply-To: <2cb07412cb003d.2cb003d2cb0741@shaw.ca> References: <2cb07412cb003d.2cb003d2cb0741@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <427BB53C.4030505@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Liam Marshall wrote: > > snip.... > > so for my thick mind, ( just finished marking American History Essays!) > > the very next "release" of K12LTSP is still going to be based on Fedora 3, right? You will have a choice between Fedora 4 or RHEL4/Centos4. > I mean, the ubuntu version is a long way off right? I am speaking of a version of ubuntu that comes "with" LTSP. Ubuntu adding LTSP support does not mean that the Fedora version will go away. It will mean you have another choice, if that better fits your needs. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From jh at clongowes.net Fri May 6 19:05:06 2005 From: jh at clongowes.net (jh) Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 20:05:06 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp - samba problem In-Reply-To: <20050418160024.451CE7344C@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050418160024.451CE7344C@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1115406306.30368.43.camel@linux-01.clongowes.net> I have a server running FC2 (k12ltsp). I use samba to dish out files to users on a winxp/win2k client server network. Samba authenticates against the windows 2000 server. This has been working fine for months. The server also serves some linux thin clients. Yesterday evening the windows clients couldn't access the samba server. I restarted samba - no joy I restarted the server - no joy I ran "net join", entered the password when requested and bingo all was well again ..... or so I thought All day today the samba server has periodically stopped giving windows users access. When I run "net join" all is well again for a while. The linux thin clients have not been affected. I have a couple of other machines running samba and they have not been affected at all. I had a virus on the win2k server this morning but it was cleared off without a problem as far as I can tell and I reckon this was just a coincidence and not part of the problem as the other machines running samba are not affected. I don't know whether the problem is on the linux side or the windows side. Anyone got any suggestions on what I should check? Thanks jh From les at futuresource.com Fri May 6 19:30:47 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 14:30:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] k12ltsp - samba problem In-Reply-To: <1115406306.30368.43.camel@linux-01.clongowes.net> References: <20050418160024.451CE7344C@hormel.redhat.com> <1115406306.30368.43.camel@linux-01.clongowes.net> Message-ID: <1115407846.19561.86.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2005-05-06 at 14:05, jh wrote: > I had a virus on the win2k server this morning but it was cleared off > without a problem as far as I can tell and I reckon this was just a > coincidence and not part of the problem as the other machines running > samba are not affected. > > I don't know whether the problem is on the linux side or the windows > side. Anyone got any suggestions on what I should check? Have you checked for viruses on the rest of your network? A fast machine with a virus can flood the network to the point that other unrelated things can appear to lose connections at random. I'm seeing a lot of 'sober.P' being caught by mimedefang/clam on our email gateway today, so it is probably everywhere. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Fri May 6 19:40:31 2005 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 15:40:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] mime type/helper apps? Message-ID: <427BC82F.9000306@snet.net> I did some updates, including a Moz update, using synaptic (Never used it before) Now, for some reason, I can't listen to internet radio stations, as I could only yesterday. When I attempt to access streaming audio, there are various reactions. When I try to listen to a live365 station (play.pls), nothing happens, where, previously, Moz would ask me what to do with the incoming information, and I would tell it to open with xmms. When I try to stream a Dead show from the ARchive, moz attempts to open the .m3u file in the browser window, as though it were a page, without the assistance of a helper app. I'm not sure if these are related issues or not, but neither is working now, while previously they did. Also, when I try to use radio from Real.com, I am told that my player can't play it, although I have the newest Helix player and Real player for Linux. I'm very sad about not having the music. Moz isn't asking me to pick up another plugin or asking me what to do with incoming data. I get no error messages at all (accept when trying to open Real data), so I'm unable to determine where the problem may be. It appears as though I have all the necessary plugins in place, both at /usr/local/mozilla/plugins and at /home/me/.mozilla/plugins I'm kind of lost here. It does appear to me as though the list of Mime types and Helper apps is shorter than it used to be, but I can't find the pertinent information to amend that. I figure if I remove Mime type/helper app info, it should as me, again, what app to use for specific mime types, so I could reset it's preferences in that arena, but I'm afraid that didn't work, either. tony From lsrpm-1 at shaw.ca Fri May 6 19:47:57 2005 From: lsrpm-1 at shaw.ca (Liam Marshall) Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 14:47:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] tentative roadmap, request for input Message-ID: <2d0cc712d0e070.2d0e0702d0cc71@shaw.ca> Eric wrote >Ubuntu adding LTSP support does not mean that the >Fedora version will go >away. It will mean you have another choice, if that >better fits your needs. ok but approx when will ubuntu come "out of the box" with ltsp like K12LTSP 4.2.x does now? Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigF4FFDF5A233A60AAE767309B" --------------enigF4FFDF5A233A60AAE767309B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Liam Marshall wrote: > > snip.... > > so for my thick mind, ( just finished marking American History Essays!) > > the very next "release" of K12LTSP is still going to be based on Fedora 3, right? You will have a choice between Fedora 4 or RHEL4/Centos4. > I mean, the ubuntu version is a long way off right? I am speaking of a version of ubuntu that comes "with" LTSP. Ubuntu adding LTSP support does not mean that the Fedora version will go away. It will mean you have another choice, if that better fits your needs. -Eric --------------enigF4FFDF5A233A60AAE767309B-- -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri May 6 19:57:32 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 12:57:32 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Wine and MegaMUD In-Reply-To: <7822ca0d050506102137a3ebe4@mail.gmail.com> References: <7822ca0d050506102137a3ebe4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <427BCC2C.30309@paasda.org> tried it with Zmud? Gmud? might wanna just stick with tintin++ or tinyfugue --Huck Chris McDonald wrote: > I am new to this mailing ring, just started into linux about a month ago > and I run Fedora Core 3. I am usually pretty good with computer, but > linux is a whole new ball game. > > I have been attempting to make a program called MegaMUD, a scripting > program for MajorMUD a text based telnet game. > > [wraithan at localhost ~]$ wine "c:\program files\megamud\megamud.exe" > fixme:font:WineEngCreateFontInstance Untranslated charset 255 > fixme:font:WineEngCreateFontInstance Untranslated charset 255 > fixme:font:WineEngCreateFontInstance Untranslated charset 255 > fixme:richedit:RichEditANSIWndProc WM_SETFONT: stub > err:x11drv:X11DRV_CreateWindow invalid window width -21 > X Error of failed request: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes) > Major opcode of failed request: 1 (X_CreateWindow) > Serial number of failed request: 238 > Current serial number in output stream: 239 > > I have tried searching the error messages and what not in google and > have read through a lot of the Wine manual, none has told me what I need > to do. I was told it is easy to set up MegaMUD with wine, but I must of > messed something up. Thanks for any help you all give me. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jam at mcquil.com Fri May 6 21:48:17 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 17:48:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] tentative roadmap, request for input In-Reply-To: <2d0cc712d0e070.2d0e0702d0cc71@shaw.ca> References: <2d0cc712d0e070.2d0e0702d0cc71@shaw.ca> Message-ID: On Fri, 6 May 2005, Liam Marshall wrote: > Eric wrote > > >Ubuntu adding LTSP support does not mean that the >Fedora version will go > >away. It will mean you have another choice, if that >better fits your needs. > > > ok but approx when will ubuntu come "out of the box" with ltsp like K12LTSP 4.2.x does now? The next release of Ubuntu will be on or around Oct 6th, 2005. It will be called 'Breezy Badger', and it will have LTSP integrated. Take a look at http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientIntegration for details on the implementation plan. Additionally, there will be a release of Ubuntu called 'Edubuntu' that will be tailored to the education community, and it will also include LTSP. For details on that, take a look at http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu The Canonical guys are VERY serious about the integration of LTSP into Ubuntu. They will be doing much of the "heavy lifting" to get LTSP integrated. This is a huge leap forward for us, and we're all very excited about the potential. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org > Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; > protocol="application/pgp-signature"; > boundary="------------enigF4FFDF5A233A60AAE767309B" > > > --------------enigF4FFDF5A233A60AAE767309B > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Liam Marshall wrote: > > > > > snip.... > > > > so for my thick mind, ( just finished marking American History Essays!) > > > > the very next "release" of K12LTSP is still going to be based on Fedora 3, right? > > You will have a choice between Fedora 4 or RHEL4/Centos4. > > > > I mean, the ubuntu version is a long way off right? I am speaking of a version of ubuntu that comes "with" LTSP. > > Ubuntu adding LTSP support does not mean that the Fedora version will go > away. It will mean you have another choice, if that better fits your needs. > > > -Eric > > --------------enigF4FFDF5A233A60AAE767309B-- > From niurkaholt at cantv.net Fri May 6 22:20:01 2005 From: niurkaholt at cantv.net (Richard/n) Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 18:20:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Problem with 2 users on Kubuntu and question? Message-ID: <200505061820.02338.niurkaholt@cantv.net> {Apologies. Tried to create a new thread but forgot to change the subject.} On Thursday 05 May 2005 08:52 pm, David Trask wrote: . . . > to make the Ubuntu K12LTSP release a workable solution (should be rock > solid stable when we're done). ?I love Ubuntu and currently run Kubuntu on > my own new laptop along with the PPC version on an older Apple "Pismo" > Powerbook. ?I too am starting to delve into the world of Debian and as I I read of a problem adding a 2nd user to Kubuntu on another list. Can someone who is running Kubuntu, and can make a good backup, give this a try: ?create a 2nd user and see if you can work with it? Thanks, Richard. From dhuckaby at paasda.org Fri May 6 23:57:31 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 16:57:31 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] schoolbell from schooltools Message-ID: <427C046B.6050907@paasda.org> This is a nifty little web-gadget that I noticed comes packaged in 4.2.1! I just installed on my 4.1.1 from the tarball on their website (http://www.schooltool.org/schoolbell/) and wanted to give them a plug for a nice little web-based calendaring package! What is great is individual users can have their own calendars plus view others' and co-op to maintain a central calendar(GREAT for a school that has many diff events happening under the control of many diff ppl)! Kudos to y'all and keep up the nifty work! --Huck From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Sat May 7 01:28:31 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 19:28:31 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] wav player Message-ID: <427C19BF.8070801@elp.rr.com> When I had K12LTSP 4.0.1 I had a Winamp type player that would play Windows type wave files and I could get the files to work in OO presentation. About 2 months ago I had a server crash and had to do a clean install. I seem to recall that the file was called mm something. I don't remember where I got the player so any help would be great. I am currently running 4.2.1 Thanks Pat From anthonybaldwin at snet.net Sat May 7 04:09:42 2005 From: anthonybaldwin at snet.net (anthony baldwin) Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 00:09:42 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] wav player In-Reply-To: <427C19BF.8070801@elp.rr.com> References: <427C19BF.8070801@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: <427C3F86.5090209@snet.net> John P. Conlon wrote: > When I had K12LTSP 4.0.1 I had a Winamp type player that would play > Windows type wave files and I could get the files to work in OO > presentation. About 2 months ago I had a server crash and had to do a > clean install. I seem to recall that the file was called mm > something. I don't remember where I got the player so any help would > be great. > > I am currently running 4.2.1 > > Thanks > Pat > I think you mean "xmms". It's in there, (/usr/bin/xmms), it's in the sound & audio menu, possibly under "audio player", too. Also, if, for some odd reason, you don't have it, you can get it, or learn more at http://www.xmms.org xmms rocks. tony > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From robark at gmail.com Sat May 7 16:47:00 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 09:47:00 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] tentative roadmap, request for input In-Reply-To: <427A9FB8.4080801@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <427A9FB8.4080801@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: On 5/5/05, Eric Harrison wrote: > > Are their any other ideas, concerns, partnerships, or alternate > strategies that we should address before mid-summer? > Can we use FC3 rpm packages for RHEL/Centos4? The reason I ask is I just checked the respective repositories and FC3 has gnucash and Centos4 does not. Maybe to determine if they are compatible one can look at the Distrowatch listings of things like glibc here http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=fedora http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=centos -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sat May 7 18:00:45 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 14:00:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] tentative roadmap, request for input In-Reply-To: <427B9A8C.1090401@shahms.com> References: <427A9FB8.4080801@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <427B9A8C.1090401@shahms.com> Message-ID: Hi Shahms! Actually Matt mentioned the conversation with you and mentioned the fact that you were working on an "authconfig" type app for Ubuntu. The whole winbind thing is valid (I don't use winbind so I'm a little curious as to why)....an authconfig type app would make it so that folks wouldn't have to futz around with pam and nsswitch stuff. In fact in Fedora...if you don't use authconfig...in order to get Samba/LDAP to work you need to edit /etc/pam.d/system-auth by hand. Not a big deal, but a pain in the a** for a newbie. Maybe we could approach this from a two step process....work with the existing tools...smbldap-tools....smbldap-installer...and then work on something such as an authconfig type script/app to finish the configuration of a Samba/LDAP installer for Ubuntu...then...work on perhaps a better "network authentication" method like you and Matt discussed. Given that a lot of us are now using Samba/LDAP....I see the need to put a tool in place for this fall. I'll do what I can (my strong point is docs and testing). Thoughts? Anyone? "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Fri May 6 2005 at 12:25 +0000 wrote: >Matt and I were talking about this at UDU under the guise of "Network >Authentication"[1] which is likely where his inspiration for rewriting >everything to fit with with Debian policy came from. Basically, >RedHat/Fedora make setting up network authentication and user >information dead easy with authconfig, but that particular package >tramps all over config files from many, many packages and, in so doing, >violates ~3 different policy guidelines. Of course, the GNOME System >Tools do the same thing and they are the "official" Ubuntu GUI admin >tools, so ... > >Anyway, part of what needs to be done for this work is something which >enables and configures winbind in smb.conf which the current smbldap >scripts (obviously) don't do. > >Actually, a big part of the thin client integration[2] involves similar >work as one of the big pieces for making LTSP "Just Work" is setting up >or modifying configuration from other packages. > >Of course all the arguments against Debian are still valid, which is why >the work is being done on Ubuntu ;-P > >A big chunk of the Ubuntu effort is related to MueKow, i.e. "getting rid >of the LBE" and will happen in stages (the goal for 5.10 is to eliminate >the LBE by using something akin to debootstrap to set up the client root >and then ship that hunk as a package). > >Ubuntu will (probably) never "ship with LTSP" on CD as they (quite >reasonably) want to limit it to only one CD. The DVD is a different >story, though. I think the plan is to make it as simple as: > >~ 1. install Ubuntu >~ 2. apt-get install ltsp; apt-get install ltsp-client-i386 > >While at the same time making it easy for people to release derivative >distributions that do this out of the box[3]. > >There are many more very enlightening Wiki pages than the ones linked >below, I recommend poking around that site for a while to get a good >idea of where Ubuntu wants to go for 5.10 and beyond. > >[1] http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkAuthentication >[2] http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientIntegration >[3] http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu >- -- >Shahms E. King >Multnomah ESD > >Public Key: >http://shahms.mesd.k12.or.us/~sking/shahms.asc >Fingerprint: >1612 054B CE92 8770 F1EA AB1B FEAB 3636 45B2 D75B >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) >Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > >iD8DBQFCe5qM/qs2NkWy11sRAkYrAJ4sJlS/sW1AdMme7tNqkhikNukUKQCfV8ZP >iOy59wiwmxKKNrLtcnsrGRY= >=6ao9 >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From cliebow at downeast.net Sat May 7 18:58:48 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 18:58:48 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] ideas for an authconfig gui Message-ID: <200505072114.j47LDxZ05751@downeast.net> david: did you try this little python script??i think i sent you one..and the script is trivial to change to make any butoon do anything you like.. If you want i can send the folders that wgo with it,,chuck > Hi Shahms! > > Actually Matt mentioned the conversation with you and mentioned the fact > that you were working on an "authconfig" type app for Ubuntu. The whole > winbind thing is valid (I don't use winbind so I'm a little curious as to > why)....an authconfig type app would make it so that folks wouldn't have > to futz around with pam and nsswitch stuff. In fact in Fedora...if you > don't use authconfig...in order to get Samba/LDAP to work you need to edit > /etc/pam.d/system-auth by hand. Not a big deal, but a pain in the a** for > a newbie. Maybe we could approach this from a two step process....work > with the existing tools...smbldap-tools....smbldap-installer...and then > work on something such as an authconfig type script/app to finish the > configuration of a Samba/LDAP installer for Ubuntu...then...work on > perhaps a better "network authentication" method like you and Matt > discussed. Given that a lot of us are now using Samba/LDAP....I see the > need to put a tool in place for this fall. I'll do what I can (my strong > point is docs and testing). Thoughts? Anyone? > > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Fri May 6 2005 at 12:25 +0000 wrote: > >Matt and I were talking about this at UDU under the guise of "Network > >Authentication"[1] which is likely where his inspiration for rewriting > >everything to fit with with Debian policy came from. Basically, > >RedHat/Fedora make setting up network authentication and user > >information dead easy with authconfig, but that particular package > >tramps all over config files from many, many packages and, in so doing, > >violates ~3 different policy guidelines. Of course, the GNOME System > >Tools do the same thing and they are the "official" Ubuntu GUI admin > >tools, so ... > > > >Anyway, part of what needs to be done for this work is something which > >enables and configures winbind in smb.conf which the current smbldap > >scripts (obviously) don't do. > > > >Actually, a big part of the thin client integration[2] involves similar > >work as one of the big pieces for making LTSP "Just Work" is setting up > >or modifying configuration from other packages. > > > >Of course all the arguments against Debian are still valid, which is why > >the work is being done on Ubuntu ;-P > > > >A big chunk of the Ubuntu effort is related to MueKow, i.e. "getting rid > >of the LBE" and will happen in stages (the goal for 5.10 is to eliminate > >the LBE by using something akin to debootstrap to set up the client root > >and then ship that hunk as a package). > > > >Ubuntu will (probably) never "ship with LTSP" on CD as they (quite > >reasonably) want to limit it to only one CD. The DVD is a different > >story, though. I think the plan is to make it as simple as: > > > >~ 1. install Ubuntu > >~ 2. apt-get install ltsp; apt-get install ltsp-client-i386 > > > >While at the same time making it easy for people to release derivative > >distributions that do this out of the box[3]. > > > >There are many more very enlightening Wiki pages than the ones linked > >below, I recommend poking around that site for a while to get a good > >idea of where Ubuntu wants to go for 5.10 and beyond. > > > >[1] http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkAuthentication > >[2] http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientIntegration > >[3] http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu > >- -- > >Shahms E. King > >Multnomah ESD > > > >Public Key: > >http://shahms.mesd.k12.or.us/~sking/shahms.asc > >Fingerprint: > >1612 054B CE92 8770 F1EA AB1B FEAB 3636 45B2 D75B > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > >Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) > >Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > > >iD8DBQFCe5qM/qs2NkWy11sRAkYrAJ4sJlS/sW1AdMme7tNqkhikNukUKQCfV8ZP > >iOy59wiwmxKKNrLtcnsrGRY= > >=6ao9 > >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ldapadmin.py Type: application/octet-stream Size: 4261 bytes Desc: not available URL: From les at futuresource.com Sat May 7 20:14:57 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 15:14:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] tentative roadmap, request for input In-Reply-To: References: <427A9FB8.4080801@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <427B9A8C.1090401@shahms.com> Message-ID: <1115496897.9209.36.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2005-05-07 at 13:00, David Trask wrote: > The whole > winbind thing is valid (I don't use winbind so I'm a little curious as to > why) Winbind is for people who already have users in a windows domain controller and want to allow them to log in to Linux with home dirs created automatically. > ...in order to get Samba/LDAP to work you need to edit > /etc/pam.d/system-auth by hand. Being able to include a stacked set of pam modules like system-auth without repeating the list in the config for every service was a Redhat-specific concept. Debian/Ubuntu may or may not have something similar. > Not a big deal, but a pain in the a** for > a newbie. Maybe we could approach this from a two step process....work > with the existing tools...smbldap-tools....smbldap-installer...and then > work on something such as an authconfig type script/app to finish the > configuration of a Samba/LDAP installer for Ubuntu... The idea should be to be sure all the tools needed are packaged separately as .rpm and .deb packages, then add the turnkey setup as additional packages that contain config files and setup scripts with dependencies for all the other parts. These will have to be distribution-specific to account for the differences in config files and startup scripting. But, you might be able to get it down to installing an ldap-server-config or ldap-client-config package on any compatible system and have it do everything necessary. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From gdk at redhat.com Sun May 8 02:03:35 2005 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 22:03:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] tentative roadmap, request for input In-Reply-To: <1115395551.19561.52.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <427A9FB8.4080801@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <427B6DC2.3050508@inlandlakes.org> <1115395551.19561.52.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 6 May 2005, Les Mikesell wrote: > Assuming that ubuntu really can pull off their promise of a fast > release schedule without losing stability, it is. It will be > nice if you don't have to choose one or the other as with the > fedora/RHEL split, but it is a lot to ask. I'm still a little > skeptical, especially given the history of the debian base > refusing to declare anything stable until it is so old no one > wants to run it. I know firsthand that this is a *very* difficult problem -- but then again, never underestimate the resolve of a multibillionaire who's been to space and back. :) In any event: however the Ubuntu side of the roadmap works out, I hope that we can continue to provide a stable platform for K12LTSP as well. --g _____________________ ____________________________________________ Greg DeKoenigsberg ] [ the future masters of technology will have Community Relations ] [ to be lighthearted and intelligent. the Red Hat ] [ machine easily masters the grim and the ] [ dumb. --mcluhan Red Hat Summit ] [ New Orleans ] [ Learn. Network. Experience Open Source. June 1/2/3 2005 ] [ (And Make Your Boss Pay For It.) [ http://www.redhat.com/promo/summit/ From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Sun May 8 06:58:41 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 02:58:41 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] ideas for an authconfig gui In-Reply-To: <200505072114.j47LDxZ05751@downeast.net> References: <200505072114.j47LDxZ05751@downeast.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Saturday, May 7, 2005 at 2:58 PM +0000 wrote: >david: did you try this little python script??i think i sent you one..and >the script is trivial to change to make any butoon do anything you like.. >If you want i can send the folders that wgo with it,,chuck please send the folders :=) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From jim at winonacotter.org Sun May 8 14:43:10 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 09:43:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] tentative roadmap, request for input In-Reply-To: <427A9FB8.4080801@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <427A9FB8.4080801@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <20050508143745.M18648@winonacotter.org> > If everything pans out as I expect, Ubuntu version 5.10 will make the > current version of K12LTSP largely irrelevant. If this wish comes > true, we can devote more resources to the next stage of world > domination ;-) Do you estimate the first version of Ubuntu with K12LTSP integrated will reflect its current state or will it hopefully be the first generation of OS based off the Muekow Project? I know it may be possible but do you think that with the sure approach of Ubuntu in the near future, could those building new systems over the summer build them with Ubuntu as the base, add LTSP and the K12 packages on it, then apt-get upgrade after the newest release in October? Or will this be a drastic enough change that if one plans on following the Ubuntu 5.10 path they should hold off until its release? Man, I am excited. I can't wait to have roles shift and see more development on features. It is awesome that this idea is actually coming to fruition. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From robark at gmail.com Sun May 8 16:55:32 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 09:55:32 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] tentative roadmap, request for input In-Reply-To: References: <427A9FB8.4080801@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: On 5/7/05, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > Can we use FC3 rpm packages for RHEL/Centos4? The reason I ask is I > just checked the respective repositories and FC3 has gnucash and > Centos4 does not. Found solution. Get source rpm package (SRPMS) from FC3 and build it in Centos4/k12ltsp. I think this should work. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sun May 8 16:59:59 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 09:59:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] tentative roadmap, request for input In-Reply-To: <20050508143745.M18648@winonacotter.org> References: <427A9FB8.4080801@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <20050508143745.M18648@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: On Sun, 8 May 2005, Jim Kronebusch wrote: >> If everything pans out as I expect, Ubuntu version 5.10 will make the >> current version of K12LTSP largely irrelevant. If this wish comes >> true, we can devote more resources to the next stage of world >> domination ;-) > > Do you estimate the first version of Ubuntu with K12LTSP integrated will > reflect its current state or will it hopefully be the first generation of OS > based off the Muekow Project? It is based off the Muekow project. > I know it may be possible but do you think that with the sure approach of > Ubuntu in the near future, could those building new systems over the summer > build them with Ubuntu as the base, add LTSP and the K12 packages on it, then > apt-get upgrade after the newest release in October? Or will this be a > drastic enough change that if one plans on following the Ubuntu 5.10 path they > should hold off until its release? Generally speaking, if you manually install software then try to upgrade to a packaged version, you are on your own. There are too many variables to be able to say whether or not it will work out-of-the-box. The package manager really needs to know about the software you are upgrading for it to do its job well. For example, K12LTSP 4.2.1 will upgrade to K12LTSP 5.0 (or whatever it is called) because LTSP was installed by the packaging system in 4.2. If you installed LTSP manually on FC3 and then tried to upgrade to K12LTSP 5.0, /opt/ltsp/i386/ is likely going to end up a mix of old-style LTSP and muekow-style LTSP binaries. Yuck. -Eric From richard at richardljohnson.com Sun May 8 19:09:17 2005 From: richard at richardljohnson.com (Richard Johnson) Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 14:09:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Any one used SYMBIO? Message-ID: <427E63DD.8020409@richardljohnson.com> I just read an article in the May issues of Liux Magazine on SYMBIO. Has anyone used it and if so what is your thought on it? Thanks, Richard- From genfil at gmail.com Mon May 9 04:05:40 2005 From: genfil at gmail.com (Genfil Villahermosa) Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 12:05:40 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Monitor Problem Message-ID: I have problem with the monitors here that run on thin client. Most of the monitors I have here are old or recondition. Most of them can't handle 1024x758, 75 hz. It black out when when x runs. When change the default the resolution, it any applys the change when the user login in. But the user can not login because the monitor goes blank. Does anyone know how to change the default resolution when Xlogin runs? Thank you! -- please visit http://www.dekititirsiasiradas.org From nataraj at gsis.ac.in Mon May 9 10:59:08 2005 From: nataraj at gsis.ac.in (Nataraj S Narayan) Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 10:59:08 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP over dial-up In-Reply-To: <20050507163339.64B96895F4@sc8-sf-spam1.sourceforge.net> References: <20050507163339.64B96895F4@sc8-sf-spam1.sourceforge.net> Message-ID: <427F427C.3010003@gsis.ac.in> Hi I am using LTSP with 486 (without HDD) with 16 MB,S3 display card and Realtech NIC card. Everything is fine and fast, over LAN. I want to have a thin client working over dial-up networking ,connecting to the Linux LTSP server. Any body has tried this? My idea is to have a floppy boot which will load a kernel and ppp client to dial-up thru inter-com connection. After that it should download the kernel. Then fire the X server. Or else a boot floppy with ppp client and a Xserver which fits into a floppy. Is any thing like this possible? regards Nataraj -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: nataraj.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 311 bytes Desc: not available URL: From spowers at inlandlakes.org Mon May 9 05:51:02 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 01:51:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP over dial-up In-Reply-To: <427F427C.3010003@gsis.ac.in> References: <20050507163339.64B96895F4@sc8-sf-spam1.sourceforge.net> <427F427C.3010003@gsis.ac.in> Message-ID: <60536.12.32.72.67.1115617862.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> Nataraj S Narayan said: > Is any thing like this possible? Maybe possible -- but definately not feasible... I would suggest looking into running vnc on the dialup computer, and connecting to the LTSP server via vnc. It's still going to be PAINFULLY slow, I've done it in a pinch. Let me stress the PAINFULLY part of that equation... Other than for a quick test, or a quick fix, it's really not usable. And actual X traffic over dialup I know won't work at all (again, maybe possible, the protocols allow it, but I don't think it would actually work at all) Perhaps I'm wrong, and someone has found an ultra-bandwidth-frual way to connect. But I don't know of any... Sorry... -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From brr at brr.no Mon May 9 06:18:01 2005 From: brr at brr.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= Roger Rasmussen) Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 08:18:01 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP over dial-up In-Reply-To: <60536.12.32.72.67.1115617862.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> References: <20050507163339.64B96895F4@sc8-sf-spam1.sourceforge.net> <427F427C.3010003@gsis.ac.in> <60536.12.32.72.67.1115617862.squirrel@www.inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050509081626.02af39f0@localhost> >Perhaps I'm wrong, and someone has found an ultra-bandwidth-frual way to >connect. But I don't know of any... Sorry... > >-Shawn I use Freenx in stead of VNC. It seems to work much faster! http://fedoranews.org/contributors/rick_stout/freenx/ Bjorn Roger Rasmussen *** Bj?rn Roger Rasmussen ( http://www.brr.no/ ) From pnakashi at k12.hi.us Mon May 9 08:32:21 2005 From: pnakashi at k12.hi.us (Nakashima) Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 22:32:21 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Skolelinux and Ubuntu Message-ID: http://www.skolelinux.de/wiki/Kooperation/Edubuntu Scroll down for english text. --Peter From hick518 at yahoo.com Mon May 9 10:04:34 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 03:04:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] tentative roadmap, request for input In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050509100434.7193.qmail@web41611.mail.yahoo.com> "Additionally, there will be a release of Ubuntu called 'Edubuntu' that will be tailored to the education community, and it will also include LTSP. For details on that, take a look at http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu" does anybody know if there will be a live cd version of edubuntu? I think this would be a great way of doing a quick demo for somebody, using their existing hardware as a server. (And of course you'd have to remind them that it will work faster if it's installed on the hard drive). -Rob Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/online.html From hick518 at yahoo.com Mon May 9 10:13:45 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 03:13:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP over dial-up In-Reply-To: <427F427C.3010003@gsis.ac.in> Message-ID: <20050509101345.93723.qmail@web41601.mail.yahoo.com> I'm not sure if you can actually boot over the dial-up connection, but I will echo the other posters who stated that X is painfully slow over dial-up. For about a year I remotely administered a family member's computer and all I had was a dial-up connection. The best thing I ever did was learn to use the command line. Text over a dial-up is completely usable. -Rob --- Nataraj S Narayan wrote: > Hi > > I am using LTSP with 486 (without HDD) with 16 MB,S3 > display card and > Realtech NIC card. Everything is fine and fast, over > LAN. I want to have > a thin client working over dial-up networking > ,connecting to the Linux > LTSP server. > > Any body has tried this? My idea is to have a floppy > boot which will > load a kernel and ppp client to dial-up thru > inter-com connection. After > that it should download the kernel. Then fire the X > server. > > Or else a boot floppy with ppp client and a Xserver > which fits into a > floppy. > > Is any thing like this possible? > > regards > > Nataraj > > > begin:vcard > fn:Nataraj S Narayan > n:S Narayan;Nataraj > org:Good Shepherd International School;Software > adr:Niligiris, ;;M.Palada;Ootacamund;TN;643004;INDIA > email;internet:nataraj at gsis.ac.in > title:Project Coordinator > tel;work:0423 2550371 - 307 > x-mozilla-html:TRUE > url:http://www.gsis.ac.in > version:2.1 > end:vcard > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html From hick518 at yahoo.com Mon May 9 10:22:52 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 03:22:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Monitor Problem In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050509102252.17257.qmail@web41604.mail.yahoo.com> You need to edit lts.conf with a line such as one of the following: X_MODE_0 = 800x600 35.25 800 824 872 944 600 600 601 622 X_MODE_0 = 1024x768 60.80 1024 1056 1128 1272 768 768 770 796 I'm pretty sure one of these worked for me when I was using an old, old monitor. Also, I'm not 100% sure about this, but I think you can put both lines in lts.conf, but call one "X_MODE_0" and the other "X_MODE_1". Then you can ctrl-alt-"plus" and ctrl-alt-"minus" to switch between them. Good luck. -Rob --- Genfil Villahermosa wrote: > I have problem with the monitors here that run on > thin client. Most of > the monitors I have here are old or recondition. > Most of them can't > handle 1024x758, 75 hz. It black out when when x > runs. When change the > default the resolution, it any applys the change > when the user login > in. But the user can not login because the monitor > goes blank. Does > anyone know how to change the default resolution > when Xlogin runs? > Thank you! > -- > please visit http://www.dekititirsiasiradas.org > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail From scott at hosef.org Mon May 9 10:43:48 2005 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 00:43:48 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] tentative roadmap, request for input In-Reply-To: <427A9FB8.4080801@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <427A9FB8.4080801@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <427F3EE4.8060103@hosef.org> Eric Harrison wrote: > > Are their any other ideas, concerns, partnerships, or alternate > strategies that we should address before mid-summer? > 1. Edutainment. With the integration of the LTSP into Ubuntu, and the development of the Edubuntu project underway as Jim and Rob have pointed out http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu I have concerns about the very precious edutainment menu and the contents within. We have become accustomed to KDE and Gnome applications being equally available with the K12LTSP. This is of course the benefit of Bluecurve which neuters the distinctive qualities of KDE and Gnome. With the new changes underway, users may, for the first time, become confused by the different look and feel of Edubuntu and the lack of specific apps. With Ubuntu and Kubuntu, the edutainment menu requires adding universal sources to your sources.list and apt-getting the kedu apps. Ubuntu integrates the edutainment folder in a rather bland manner; kubuntu provides an icon for the menu. It looks like the Edubuntu distro, in keeping to the Gnome basis of Ubuntu, currently only includes the Gnome education apps as part of the distro. I fear new users will not understand why ktouch and others are not included in the Gnome-centered Ubuntu project. Edutainment is the gravy our education-focused installations. I am extraordinarily thrilled by the vision and the will of the Ubuntu team, Eric, Jim, and others. I am hoping that the Edubuntu distro will borrow the best from KDE and Gnome in making this the best possible distro for education. 2. This is perhaps more a task for the Ubuntu team, but, I need some help updating servers that do not have Internet connections. We are increasingly serving schools in Samoa and individuals in Hawaii that have no broadband. Apt-getting the latest updates or some cool package is all but impossible. It would be great if there were an offline mode to synaptic. Packages could be selected and dependencies resolved in the same yummy manner. However, instead of downloading, a package list is created that can be sent by email (if possible) or snail mail to snail.ubuntu.com. A CD is created and shipped to the appropriate school. This would be nice. > -Eric --scott From jon.spriggs at gmail.com Mon May 9 11:00:19 2005 From: jon.spriggs at gmail.com (Jon Spriggs) Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 12:00:19 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] tentative roadmap, request for input In-Reply-To: <427F3EE4.8060103@hosef.org> References: <427A9FB8.4080801@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <427F3EE4.8060103@hosef.org> Message-ID: <96df2e0b0505090400734833e@mail.gmail.com> On 5/9/05, R. Scott Belford wrote: > 2. This is perhaps more a task for the Ubuntu team, but, I need some > help updating servers that do not have Internet connections. We are > increasingly serving schools in Samoa and individuals in Hawaii that > have no broadband. Apt-getting the latest updates or some cool package > is all but impossible. > > It would be great if there were an offline mode to synaptic. Packages > could be selected and dependencies resolved in the same yummy manner. > However, instead of downloading, a package list is created that can be > sent by email (if possible) or snail mail to snail.ubuntu.com. A CD is > created and shipped to the appropriate school. > > This would be nice. > > > -Eric > > > --scott > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > Scott, why not create a local APT mirror on your machine, and then use something like diff to compare an older tree (I'm stretching my knowledge a little here) with the newly obtained files. Any changes get committed to a disk and that can then be sent on? If it's done on a weekly or even monthly basis, there can't be *THAT* much which changes. You could create an apt mirror on the machines before shipping them out, and then leave it to the local admins to update the machines from the disks you provide... Failing that, you could make the same suggestion to the Ubantu team? -- Jon "Four Star Gun" Spriggs AKA Jon "The Nice Guy" Spriggs From mrambo at lsd.k12.mi.us Mon May 9 12:08:51 2005 From: mrambo at lsd.k12.mi.us (Mike Rambo) Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 08:08:51 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Problem with 2 users on Kubuntu and question? In-Reply-To: <200505061820.02338.niurkaholt@cantv.net> References: <200505061820.02338.niurkaholt@cantv.net> Message-ID: <427F52D3.2020902@lsd.k12.mi.us> Richard/n wrote: > > > I read of a problem adding a 2nd user to Kubuntu on another list. > Can someone who is running Kubuntu, and can make a good backup, give > this a try: create a 2nd user and see if you can work with it? > > Thanks, > Richard. > > I had a kubuntu box up for awhile with a second user. I don't have it still so I can't doublecheck but I don't recall having any particular problem with it. I remember that the things going on under the sheets were quite different than what you might expect with a redhat based distro but that just comes from it debian heritage I expect. I wasn't really impressed with it (explaining why it no longer exists) but I don't recall any particular problem either - at least in that regard. The only real problem I had was getting it to run on the hardware I had available (which I did eventually resolve). -- Mike Rambo mrambo at lsd.k12.mi.us Evolution (n): A hypothetical process whereby infinitely improbable events occur with alarming frequency, order arises from chaos, and no one is given credit. -Nigel Cunningham From sudev at mantraonline.com Mon May 9 13:27:07 2005 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 18:57:07 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Monitor Problem In-Reply-To: <20050509102252.17257.qmail@web41604.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050509102252.17257.qmail@web41604.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1115645227.17814.5.camel@server.ltsp> On Mon, 2005-05-09 at 03:22 -0700, Rob Owens wrote: > You need to edit lts.conf with a line such as one of > the following: > > X_MODE_0 = 800x600 35.25 800 824 872 944 600 > 600 601 622 > > X_MODE_0 = 1024x768 60.80 1024 1056 1128 1272 768 > 768 770 796 [SNIP] Excellent advise..only adding my $0.02 worth... The common modelines given in the lts.conf work for many old monitors. Just experiment with lowest resolutions and go higher as possible. Also please do not just blame monitors as in my experience many problems are caused by low memory on vid-cards -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From trond at mahlum.biz Mon May 9 13:38:39 2005 From: trond at mahlum.biz (Trond =?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E6hlum?=) Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 15:38:39 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Problem with 2 users on Kubuntu and question? In-Reply-To: <427F52D3.2020902@lsd.k12.mi.us> References: <200505061820.02338.niurkaholt@cantv.net> <427F52D3.2020902@lsd.k12.mi.us> Message-ID: <1115645919.10335.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> man, 09,.05.2005 kl. 08.08 -0400, skrev Mike Rambo: > Richard/n wrote: > > > > > > I read of a problem adding a 2nd user to Kubuntu on another list. > > Can someone who is running Kubuntu, and can make a good backup, give > > this a try: create a 2nd user and see if you can work with it? > > > > Thanks, > > Richard. I just did this on my Kubuntu install. It worked perfectly. No problems at all. Best regards Trond Maehlum > I had a kubuntu box up for awhile with a second user. I don't have it > still so I can't doublecheck but I don't recall having any particular > problem with it. I remember that the things going on under the sheets > were quite different than what you might expect with a redhat based > distro but that just comes from it debian heritage I expect. I wasn't > really impressed with it (explaining why it no longer exists) but I > don't recall any particular problem either - at least in that regard. > The only real problem I had was getting it to run on the hardware I had > available (which I did eventually resolve). > > From tom.hoffman at gmail.com Mon May 9 14:56:19 2005 From: tom.hoffman at gmail.com (Tom Hoffman) Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 10:56:19 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] tentative roadmap, request for input In-Reply-To: <20050509100434.7193.qmail@web41611.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050509100434.7193.qmail@web41611.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <92de6c8805050907566f57c53e@mail.gmail.com> On 5/9/05, Rob Owens wrote: > "Additionally, there will be a release of Ubuntu > called 'Edubuntu' that > will be tailored to the education community, and it > will also include > LTSP. For details on that, take a look at > http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu" > > does anybody know if there will be a live cd version > of edubuntu? I think this would be a great way of > doing a quick demo for somebody, using their existing > hardware as a server. (And of course you'd have to > remind them that it will work faster if it's installed > on the hard drive). Given what I know about Ubuntu's live CD creation process, I'd say it is 99% likely the answer is yes, and including PPC (Mac) and AMD64 live cds. --Tom From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Mon May 9 15:16:07 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 08:16:07 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Any one used SYMBIO? In-Reply-To: <427E63DD.8020409@richardljohnson.com> References: <427E63DD.8020409@richardljohnson.com> Message-ID: I use Symbio Technologies products all the time. I know there's a bit of a commercial / free software conflict, but there are some things that their software does that I really appreciate. First, I should say that I am doing commercial installations for schools. Meaning, I help a school purchase a server and set it up, and then convert their existing machines to thin clients. My school customers tend to be schools that are struggling with technology issues, and without LTSP would not have adequate computing resources (thanks again to all involved in LTSP). However, they also don't have the time or resources or knowledge to start LTSP from scratch, but once implemented are eager to learn and be self-sufficient. Here's what I like about the Symbiont Management Suite, which I now am trying to use every time I set up LTSP. 1. All of the configuration settings that the school would have to do by hand for individual workstations can be done from a gui interface. 2. Specific hardware configurations for workstations can be saved and applied as a template to other workstations with the same hardware configuration. 3. Workstations can be grouped (say by classroom), and from that grouping you can apply certain default settings or see the status of the workstations at any point in time. 4. User and workstation status indicators are readily available, so you can see who is logged on, what workstations are running, and who is actually on a given workstation. 5. Because the program is based on webmin, I can remotely view the same screens that my user is looking at, and I can talk them (easily) through adding a workstation, or changing a display resolution, or setting up a printer. This is way easier than trying to show them the coding of a configuration file. 6. The program has a setting that doesn't allow anonymous logins--this is super helpful on the initial setup. When a workstation boots up for the first time and is trying to get an IP address from dhcp, the program tells you what the mac address of that machine is, and lets you give it a name and apply a hardware configuration template to it. It may not seem like much, but when you are trying to help someone get 60 computers up, being able to quickly name each computer (example, FirstA--meaning first grade, computer A) and then apply the CompaqDeskpro 2000 hardware settings, and then group it in the first grade room makes keeping track of everything really easy. It also makes it very easy for the principal or tech coordinator to see and understand what is going on. 7. You can send a message to an individual user. 8. I find that sound is well supported when Symbiont Mangement Suite is installed. 9. Technical support. You buy Symbionts products through a VAR, but as the VAR I am able to get training and help, which is really nice to have as a backup--since as much as I love and appreciate this list, it really helps to have someone with direct responsibility to help you solve a problem. There are other features that I haven't learned to use, but these are the practical ones that have made it worthwhile to me to encourage my customers to purchase the Symbiont program when I am doing an installation. Steve On 5/8/05, Richard Johnson wrote: > I just read an article in the May issues of Liux Magazine on SYMBIO. Has > anyone used it and if so what is your thought on it? > > Thanks, > Richard- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.technologyrescue.com From jim at winonacotter.org Mon May 9 15:24:38 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 10:24:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] tentative roadmap, request for input In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <006301c554ab$36b2b770$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> I figured as much. I just want to follow the new Ubuntu/Muekow setup as close as possible. But with a release in October that leaves me just shy of using it for next year in September with my new setup. So now I know to plan accordingly. Thanks > Generally speaking, if you manually install software then try > to upgrade to a packaged version, you are on your own. There > are too many variables to be able to say whether or not it > will work out-of-the-box. > > The package manager really needs to know about the software you are > upgrading for it to do its job well. For example, K12LTSP > 4.2.1 will upgrade to K12LTSP 5.0 (or whatever it is called) > because LTSP was installed by the packaging system in 4.2. If > you installed LTSP manually on FC3 and then tried to upgrade > to K12LTSP 5.0, /opt/ltsp/i386/ is likely going to end up a > mix of old-style LTSP and muekow-style LTSP binaries. Yuck. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dhuckaby at paasda.org Mon May 9 15:27:41 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 08:27:41 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Any one used SYMBIO? In-Reply-To: References: <427E63DD.8020409@richardljohnson.com> Message-ID: <427F816D.5080708@paasda.org> Are you using the The Symbiont Boot Appliance (SBA)? Or just the management suite on top of K12LTSP ? --Huck Steve Hargadon wrote: > I use Symbio Technologies products all the time. I know there's a bit > of a commercial / free software conflict, but there are some things > that their software does that I really appreciate. > > First, I should say that I am doing commercial installations for > schools. Meaning, I help a school purchase a server and set it up, > and then convert their existing machines to thin clients. My school > customers tend to be schools that are struggling with technology > issues, and without LTSP would not have adequate computing resources > (thanks again to all involved in LTSP). However, they also don't have > the time or resources or knowledge to start LTSP from scratch, but > once implemented are eager to learn and be self-sufficient. > > Here's what I like about the Symbiont Management Suite, which I now am > trying to use every time I set up LTSP. > > 1. All of the configuration settings that the school would have to do > by hand for individual workstations can be done from a gui interface. > > 2. Specific hardware configurations for workstations can be saved and > applied as a template to other workstations with the same hardware > configuration. > > 3. Workstations can be grouped (say by classroom), and from that > grouping you can apply certain default settings or see the status of > the workstations at any point in time. > > 4. User and workstation status indicators are readily available, so > you can see who is logged on, what workstations are running, and who > is actually on a given workstation. > > 5. Because the program is based on webmin, I can remotely view the > same screens that my user is looking at, and I can talk them (easily) > through adding a workstation, or changing a display resolution, or > setting up a printer. This is way easier than trying to show them the > coding of a configuration file. > > 6. The program has a setting that doesn't allow anonymous > logins--this is super helpful on the initial setup. When a > workstation boots up for the first time and is trying to get an IP > address from dhcp, the program tells you what the mac address of that > machine is, and lets you give it a name and apply a hardware > configuration template to it. It may not seem like much, but when you > are trying to help someone get 60 computers up, being able to quickly > name each computer (example, FirstA--meaning first grade, computer A) > and then apply the CompaqDeskpro 2000 hardware settings, and then > group it in the first grade room makes keeping track of everything > really easy. It also makes it very easy for the principal or tech > coordinator to see and understand what is going on. > > 7. You can send a message to an individual user. > > 8. I find that sound is well supported when Symbiont Mangement Suite > is installed. > > 9. Technical support. You buy Symbionts products through a VAR, but > as the VAR I am able to get training and help, which is really nice to > have as a backup--since as much as I love and appreciate this list, it > really helps to have someone with direct responsibility to help you > solve a problem. > > There are other features that I haven't learned to use, but these are > the practical ones that have made it worthwhile to me to encourage my > customers to purchase the Symbiont program when I am doing an > installation. > > Steve > > On 5/8/05, Richard Johnson wrote: > >>I just read an article in the May issues of Liux Magazine on SYMBIO. Has >>anyone used it and if so what is your thought on it? >> >>Thanks, >>Richard- >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> > > From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Mon May 9 15:42:10 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 08:42:10 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Any one used SYMBIO? In-Reply-To: <427F816D.5080708@paasda.org> References: <427E63DD.8020409@richardljohnson.com> <427F816D.5080708@paasda.org> Message-ID: I'm using the management suite on top of K12. I have ordered a boot appliance to test, but haven't received it yet. On 5/9/05, Huck wrote: > Are you using the The Symbiont Boot Appliance (SBA)? > Or just the management suite on top of K12LTSP ? > > --Huck From lsrpm-1 at shaw.ca Mon May 9 16:59:40 2005 From: lsrpm-1 at shaw.ca (Liam Marshall) Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 11:59:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Any one used SYMBIO? Message-ID: <2ed94b72ed7787.2ed77872ed94b7@shaw.ca> ....snip Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Any one used SYMBIO? > I'm using the management suite on top of K12. I have ordered a boot > appliance to test, but haven't received it yet. > > On 5/9/05, Huck wrote: > > Are you using the The Symbiont Boot Appliance (SBA)? > > Or just the management suite on top of K12LTSP ? > > > > --Huck > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see <" target="l">http://www.k12os.org> > how would I get a copy of the management suite? From richard at richardljohnson.com Mon May 9 17:26:11 2005 From: richard at richardljohnson.com (Richard Johnson) Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 12:26:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Any one used SYMBIO? In-Reply-To: <2ed94b72ed7787.2ed77872ed94b7@shaw.ca> References: <2ed94b72ed7787.2ed77872ed94b7@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <427F9D33.5060002@richardljohnson.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ascensiontech at gmail.com Mon May 9 18:57:58 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Ascension Tech) Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 14:57:58 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] killer elementary/junior high apps? Message-ID: <9bd31756050509115713a7dbc0@mail.gmail.com> Hey All, I'm sure this question must have been asked before. Let me first say that our school is prek-8th grade. What software are elementary/junior high schools getting the most out of, FOSS and otherwise? We have been using Gcompris. Also some of the math programs like tux math and kbruch. The bundled software doesn't seem to offer much to our older grades since much of it shoots too high or too low. Also, how many elementary schools are benefiting from content management systems? What do you like and why? Can anyone's CMS be accessed from the internet so I can see what they are like and also show teachers/administration what they are capable of? Thanks so much, Peter From dhuckaby at paasda.org Mon May 9 19:07:49 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 12:07:49 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] killer elementary/junior high apps? In-Reply-To: <9bd31756050509115713a7dbc0@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd31756050509115713a7dbc0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <427FB505.8070306@paasda.org> http://www.caasda.org/ is a school that utilizes "SimpleUpdates" CMS... the school I maintain K12LTSP for is in the process of migrating to "Intellisite" from http://www.elexio.com/products/intellisite/ very affoardable and nice features. --Huck Ascension Tech wrote: > Hey All, > I'm sure this question must have been asked before. Let me first say > that our school is prek-8th grade. What software are elementary/junior > high schools getting the most out of, FOSS and otherwise? We have > been using Gcompris. Also some of the math programs like tux math and > kbruch. The bundled software doesn't seem to offer much to our older > grades since much of it shoots too high or too low. Also, how many > elementary schools are benefiting from content management systems? > What do you like and why? Can anyone's CMS be accessed from the > internet so I can see what they are like and also show > teachers/administration what they are capable of? > > > Thanks so much, > Peter > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From richard.holt at gmail.com Mon May 9 14:20:25 2005 From: richard.holt at gmail.com (Richard/g) Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 10:20:25 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Problem with 2 users on Kubuntu and question? In-Reply-To: <1115645919.10335.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200505061820.02338.niurkaholt@cantv.net> <427F52D3.2020902@lsd.k12.mi.us> <1115645919.10335.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200505091020.35770.richard.holt@gmail.com> On Monday 09 May 2005 09:38 am, Trond M?hlum wrote: > man, 09,.05.2005 kl. 08.08 -0400, skrev Mike Rambo: > > Richard/n wrote: > > > > > > > > > I read of a problem adding a 2nd user to Kubuntu on another list. > > > Can someone who is running Kubuntu, and can make a good backup, give > > > this a try: create a 2nd user and see if you can work with it? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Richard. > > I just did this on my Kubuntu install. It worked perfectly. No problems > at all. Thanks for your replies. I have read that K/Ubuntu start up basically in root mode, but that it is possible to declare root and set up additonal users. Maybe that attibuted to the problems I read about. Looking forward to trying out Kubuntu at the first opportunity. (Currently using Mepis but curious about all the hype. Richard. > Best regards > Trond Maehlum > > > > > I had a kubuntu box up for awhile with a second user. I don't have it > > still so I can't doublecheck but I don't recall having any particular > > problem with it. I remember that the things going on under the sheets > > were quite different than what you might expect with a redhat based > > distro but that just comes from it debian heritage I expect. I wasn't > > really impressed with it (explaining why it no longer exists) but I > > don't recall any particular problem either - at least in that regard. > > The only real problem I had was getting it to run on the hardware I had > > available (which I did eventually resolve). > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From gary.frederick at jsoft.com Mon May 9 19:58:58 2005 From: gary.frederick at jsoft.com (Gary Frederick) Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 14:58:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] legousbtower driver Message-ID: <1115668738.4630.12.camel@server.ltsp> Howdy I'm continuing to set up the lab for the workshop for kids and now I need to get the leJos robotics software working. I have had leJos working on Linux in the past but am having problems (sigh) > If you are using an usb tower, you are encouraged to use at least > kernel version 2.6.7 or later - it contains the legousbtower driver > already. > > 1. If the tower is plugged in yet, plug it out > 2. Log in as root > 3. call rm -f /dev/usb/legousbtower0 > 4. call mknod --mode=a=rw /dev/usb/legousbtower0 c 180 160 and I get... [root at server ggf]# mknod --mode=a=rw /dev/usb/legousbtower0 c 180 160 mknod: `/dev/usb/legousbtower0': No such file or directory I think k12ltsp knows the tower is there when I plug it in. The IR light comes on for a bit so something is happening... What do I need to do to get /dev/usb/legousbtower0? Thanks. Gary From jeffnels at gmail.com Mon May 9 20:55:25 2005 From: jeffnels at gmail.com (Jeff Nelson) Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 13:55:25 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Monitor Problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I had a similar problem with some new-but-crappy monitors that wouldn't display anything unless I added lines in lts.conf for X_HORZSYNC and X_VERTREFRESH, with the correct values. (Lucky for me, I had the monitor's factory manual!) Best regards, Jeff Nelson On 5/8/05, Genfil Villahermosa wrote: > > I have problem with the monitors here that run on thin client. Most of > the monitors I have here are old or recondition. Most of them can't > handle 1024x758, 75 hz. It black out when when x runs. When change the > default the resolution, it any applys the change when the user login > in. But the user can not login because the monitor goes blank. Does > anyone know how to change the default resolution when Xlogin runs? > Thank you! > -- > please visit http://www.dekititirsiasiradas.org > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tom.hoffman at gmail.com Mon May 9 21:42:37 2005 From: tom.hoffman at gmail.com (Tom Hoffman) Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 17:42:37 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Report from the second Free Software Congress Message-ID: <92de6c8805050914426a946d6@mail.gmail.com> I was lucky enough to be invited to speak at the II Congreso de Software Libre (http://lliurex.net/congresii/cas/index.htm) in Valencia, Spain (Castellon to be precise) last week, and I thought the list might be interested in a report. The congress is sponsored by the autonomous community of Valencia, which is made up of three provinces on the Mediterrenean coast. Like several other of these regional groups in Spain, the Valencian government has made a committment to free software, and sponsored their own localized version of Linux, in their case called Lliurex (http://lliurex.net), which is derived from Debian. On the whole, the congress felt mostly like the kind of conference that a medium sized American state might hold for technology in education and government, except in this case, it was all about free software. It was exciting to be at a Linux conference that wasn't all geeks or big IT companies, but regular users and admins from schools, libraries, etc. for whom free software is simply quickly becoming the norm. I can't give as many details as I'd like because I don't speak Spanish. A few of the talks were apparently translated into English, but it wasn't clear how one would figure out which ones were. I gave a talk on SchoolTool. I also met with the administrators and developers who are responsible for the student information system that is currently used in the region's schools. It is a set of FoxPro databases that run on Windows. About 10 years old, but quite comprehensive and stable at this point. As part of their overall shift to open source apps, they are interested in SchoolTool. This is a good case for us, since they have a functioning system, they're not in a rush. It seems likely that over the next 3 - 5 years we'd have the opportunity to plan and initiate a pretty huge migration of their systems in thousands, if everything goes well with SchoolTool development. Hopefully I'll be invited back next year to keep them up to date on our progress. They also gave me downloads of their existing system, which is helpful to us in trying to make sure SchoolTool will meet their requirements. I also got a little info on a big open source admin system that the national government is working on. It is some kind of swiss army knife for administering Linux and Windows clients. Apparently they're going to GPL it when it is done, but it isn't done yet. If you can read and write Spanish and are interested in this kind of thing, drop me a line and I'll give you some contact info. If that wasn't enough, there was also a meeting of Debian developers going on at the site at the same time. The government paid to bring together about a dozen developers from around the world who work on custom Debian distributions to work on ways to improve the process of creating such things (including their own Lliurex). I hung out with these guys a lot, since they all spoke English and were staying in the same hotel. Petter Reinholdtsen of Skolelinux was one of the attendees (Skolelinux is sort of the K12LTSP of Europe). He and Mark had a discussion about establishing some communication between Edubuntu and Skolelinux. This is much more contentious for them than for K12LTSP, because Ubuntu is somewhat threatening to some Debian developers for various reasons (real and imagined). Anyway, a summary of those talks can be found here: http://www.skolelinux.de/wiki/Kooperation/Edubuntu including snapshots of the symbolic handshake between Mark Shuttleworth and Petter, taken by me. I also blogged about Mark's talk at the congress on Ed-Tech Insider: http://www.eschoolnews.com/eti/2005/05/000825.php --Tom From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Mon May 9 22:15:55 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 16:15:55 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Monitor Problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <427FE11B.40207@elp.rr.com> Ientify that machine in the lts.conf file and put the monitor settings in. Then it should behave. Genfil Villahermosa wrote: >I have problem with the monitors here that run on thin client. Most of >the monitors I have here are old or recondition. Most of them can't >handle 1024x758, 75 hz. It black out when when x runs. When change the >default the resolution, it any applys the change when the user login >in. But the user can not login because the monitor goes blank. Does >anyone know how to change the default resolution when Xlogin runs? >Thank you! > > From jconlon1 at elp.rr.com Mon May 9 22:17:11 2005 From: jconlon1 at elp.rr.com (John P. Conlon) Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 16:17:11 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Monitor Problem In-Reply-To: <20050509102252.17257.qmail@web41604.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050509102252.17257.qmail@web41604.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <427FE167.7070203@elp.rr.com> Try the suggested lines that are in the lts.conf file first before you go on a search. Rob Owens wrote: >You need to edit lts.conf with a line such as one of >the following: > >X_MODE_0 = 800x600 35.25 800 824 872 944 600 >600 601 622 > >X_MODE_0 = 1024x768 60.80 1024 1056 1128 1272 768 >768 770 796 > >I'm pretty sure one of these worked for me when I was >using an old, old monitor. > >Also, I'm not 100% sure about this, but I think you >can put both lines in lts.conf, but call one >"X_MODE_0" and the other "X_MODE_1". Then you can >ctrl-alt-"plus" and ctrl-alt-"minus" to switch between >them. > >Good luck. > >-Rob > >--- Genfil Villahermosa wrote: > > >>I have problem with the monitors here that run on >>thin client. Most of >>the monitors I have here are old or recondition. >>Most of them can't >>handle 1024x758, 75 hz. It black out when when x >>runs. When change the >>default the resolution, it any applys the change >>when the user login >>in. But the user can not login because the monitor >>goes blank. Does >>anyone know how to change the default resolution >>when Xlogin runs? >>Thank you! >>-- >>please visit http://www.dekititirsiasiradas.org >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > > > >__________________________________ >Yahoo! Mail Mobile >Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. >http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From genfil at gmail.com Tue May 10 03:20:03 2005 From: genfil at gmail.com (Genfil Villahermosa) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 11:20:03 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Monitor Problem In-Reply-To: <427FE11B.40207@elp.rr.com> References: <427FE11B.40207@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the help!!! On 5/10/05, John P. Conlon wrote: > Ientify that machine in the lts.conf file and put the monitor settings > in. Then it should behave. > > Genfil Villahermosa wrote: > > >I have problem with the monitors here that run on thin client. Most of > >the monitors I have here are old or recondition. Most of them can't > >handle 1024x758, 75 hz. It black out when when x runs. When change the > >default the resolution, it any applys the change when the user login > >in. But the user can not login because the monitor goes blank. Does > >anyone know how to change the default resolution when Xlogin runs? > >Thank you! > > > > > -- please visit http://www.dekititirsiasiradas.org From kmgrant at actaccess.net Mon May 9 21:08:41 2005 From: kmgrant at actaccess.net (Ken Grant) Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 21:08:41 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Providing Services for Windows Message-ID: <427FD159.9040707@actaccess.net> Hi all: Earlier this year a friend and I set up a k12ltsp network at a local private school. We have one parent, who also writes grants and has a consulting business, that wants us to move completely to Windows. This person is completely unreasonable and will not listen to any of our points as to why Linux is a superior solution. That said, what I would like to know from you folks is what is the best way to provide services for the inevitable Windows programs that will have to be run. We have several teachers who have programs, mostly K-4, that are only Windows based. For example, Reading Counts, Math Counts, etc. The science teacher also has one or two programs she would like to continue using. Do you know of substitues that are available for the reading and math programs? How do you folks handle this situation at your schools? Does anyone run Win4Lin Terminal Services and is it any good? Thanks for you thoughts. I am in no mood to throw out a year's worth of work and fervently believe that k12ltsp is far superior to anything else available for schools. Cheers, Ken From scott at hosef.org Tue May 10 03:50:12 2005 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 17:50:12 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Providing Services for Windows In-Reply-To: <427FD159.9040707@actaccess.net> References: <427FD159.9040707@actaccess.net> Message-ID: <42802F74.4040800@hosef.org> Ken Grant wrote: > Hi all: > > Earlier this year a friend and I set up a k12ltsp network at a local > private school. We have one parent, who also writes grants and has a > consulting business, that wants us to move completely to Windows. This > person is completely unreasonable and will not listen to any of our > points as to why Linux is a superior solution. You have a real chance for the proverbial win-win here. Give up the 'Superior' argument and tow the 'equally effective and frees needed resources' line. This person can flex their fundraising muscles by paying for more software, curricula, or infrastructure that can actually add value to the education experience. > > That said, what I would like to know from you folks is what is the best > way to provide services for the inevitable Windows programs that will > have to be run. We have several teachers who have programs, mostly K-4, > that are only Windows based. For example, Reading Counts, Math Counts, > etc. The science teacher also has one or two programs she would like to > continue using. As many will advise you, a windows server can be ubiquitously accessed by a thin client to run those programs that cannot be replaced. > > Do you know of substitues that are available for the reading and math > programs? If the fundraising consultant really wants to make bank while helping the schools, advise her/him that grant funds can be better spent paying to develop the software substitutes you seek. Box it and sell it for those who couldn't care less about Free, and sell services and customizations as implemented by the students and graduates of your district. > How do you folks handle this situation at your schools? Does anyone run > Win4Lin Terminal Services and is it any good? I think Steve Hargadon has made inroads with the Win4lin developers and may even be testing this? He could best advise. > > Thanks for you thoughts. I am in no mood to throw out a year's worth of > work and fervently believe that k12ltsp is far superior to anything else > available for schools. I love fervor. I do. But remember Zen, Ken. When passion meets passion, reason loses. > > Cheers, > Ken --scott From xwraithanx at gmail.com Tue May 10 04:00:55 2005 From: xwraithanx at gmail.com (Chris McDonald) Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 21:00:55 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Wine and MegaMUD In-Reply-To: <427BCC2C.30309@paasda.org> References: <7822ca0d050506102137a3ebe4@mail.gmail.com> <427BCC2C.30309@paasda.org> Message-ID: <7822ca0d05050921005c248634@mail.gmail.com> Well, MegaMUD allows me to script in the game I play MajorMUD. I have used ZMud on windows, if i recall right it just allows access to many muds. I dont know what tintin++ or tinyfugue are so a little elaboration for a noob would be nice -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From info at proex-india.com Tue May 10 05:36:50 2005 From: info at proex-india.com (info) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 11:06:50 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Telnet session disconnect after 30 Min Message-ID: Hello, I am facing a strange problem , my telnet session from Konsole is getting disconnected after 30 Min of active /inactive session. I am connecting to Aix server over a IPLC line is US . Where could be the problem , it is exact 30 min disconnection Regards K.Dinesh *********************************************************************** In a World Without Fences Who Needs GATES ? *********************************************************************** This message and any attached files will have been checked with virus detection software before transmission. However, recipients must carry out their own virus checks before opening any attachment. Company accepts no liability for any loss or damage, which may be caused by software viruses. *********************************************************************** -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.7 - Release Date: 5/9/05 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.7 - Release Date: 5/9/05 From hick518 at yahoo.com Tue May 10 10:06:37 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 03:06:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Providing Services for Windows In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050510100637.99231.qmail@web41613.mail.yahoo.com> If it was me, I would allow this parent to purchase a license for Windows Terminal Server and run that, but I wouldn't maintain it. If the parent wants to maintain it, then fine. Otherwise, let the viruses slowly bring it down. If you want something done right, do it yourself. In this case, if the parent wants it done the way he thinks is right, then let him do it himself. But having Windows in your network doesn't mean you have to get rid of Linux. In order to use Windows from your ltsp thin clients, you need to edit your lts.conf file so it contains this line: SCREEN_02 = rdesktop yourservernamehere Then when the thin client boots up, you'll be faced with a Linux login window. But hit ctrl-alt-f2 and you'll be faced with a Windows Terminal Server login. Ctrl-alt-f1 gets you back to Linux. You can use both systems simultaneously. -Rob --- Ken Grant wrote: > Hi all: > > Earlier this year a friend and I set up a k12ltsp > network at a local > private school. We have one parent, who also writes > grants and has a > consulting business, that wants us to move > completely to Windows. This > person is completely unreasonable and will not > listen to any of our > points as to why Linux is a superior solution. > > That said, what I would like to know from you folks > is what is the best > way to provide services for the inevitable Windows > programs that will > have to be run. We have several teachers who have > programs, mostly K-4, > that are only Windows based. For example, Reading > Counts, Math Counts, > etc. The science teacher also has one or two > programs she would like to > continue using. > > Do you know of substitues that are available for the > reading and math > programs? > > How do you folks handle this situation at your > schools? Does anyone run > Win4Lin Terminal Services and is it any good? > > Thanks for you thoughts. I am in no mood to throw > out a year's worth of > work and fervently believe that k12ltsp is far > superior to anything else > available for schools. > > Cheers, > Ken > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > Discover Yahoo! Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html From cliebow at downeast.net Tue May 10 10:59:55 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 10:59:55 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Providing Services for Windows Message-ID: <200505101314.j4ADEmV28219@downeast.net> hi: i am looking into win4lin terminal server..vmware did nothing for me..i have six schools with new linux servers looking to use lexia learning as a justification for the expense..no luck with winex..it all seems to come back to relible sound..keep in touch and i will pass on what ever i find..chuck..and best of luck.. > Hi all: > > Earlier this year a friend and I set up a k12ltsp network at a local > private school. We erverhave one parent, who also writes grants and has a > consulting business, thatin4lin terminal s wants us to move completely to Windows. This > person is completely unreasonable and will not listen to any of our > points as to why Linux is a superior solution. > > That said, what I would like to know from you folks is what is the best > way to provide services for the inevitable Windows programs that will > have to be run. We have several teachers who have programs, mostly K-4, > that are only Windows based. For example, Reading Counts, Math Counts, > etc. The science teacher also has one or two programs she would like to > continue using. > > Do you know of substitues that are available for the reading and math > programs? > > How do you folks handle this situation at your schools? Does anyone run > Win4Lin Terminal Services and is it any good? > > Thanks for you thoughts. I am in no mood to throw out a year's worth of > work and fervently believe that k12ltsp is far superior to anything else > available for schools. > > Cheers, > Ken > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From richard.holtz at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Tue May 10 11:38:20 2005 From: richard.holtz at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (R. Holtz) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 11:38:20 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Local App Firefox and Samba Authentication Message-ID: <200505101138.20102.richard.holtz@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> I am currently setting up Firefox as a local application for thin clients running off of several K12LTSP 4.2 servers. I can invoke the application successfully for users who authenticate via NIS, but we also have a number of users who authenticate against a Windows NT machine (via Samba). If one of these users calls local firefox, authentication (be it key or password based) fails, and firefox fails to load. I'd appreciate advice from anyone who has managed to get local firefox working in such an environment. Naturally, if I come up with the solution first, I will post it here. Thanks in advance! ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From kmgrant at actaccess.net Tue May 10 05:46:36 2005 From: kmgrant at actaccess.net (Ken Grant) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 05:46:36 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Providing Services for Windows In-Reply-To: <20050510100637.99231.qmail@web41613.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050510100637.99231.qmail@web41613.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42804ABC.8080602@actaccess.net> Rob Owens wrote: >If it was me, I would allow this parent to purchase a >license for Windows Terminal Server and run that, but >I wouldn't maintain it. If the parent wants to >maintain it, then fine. Otherwise, let the viruses >slowly bring it down. > > The sad part is that this parent understands nothing about networking and computers in general. But I'm up for letting Windows Terminal Server implode. >If you want something done right, do it yourself. In >this case, if the parent wants it done the way he >thinks is right, then let him do it himself. But >having Windows in your network doesn't mean you have >to get rid of Linux. In order to use Windows from your ltsp thin clients, >you need to edit your lts.conf file so it contains >this line: > > >SCREEN_02 = rdesktop yourservernamehere > >Then when the thin client boots up, you'll be faced >with a Linux login window. But hit ctrl-alt-f2 and >you'll be faced with a Windows Terminal Server login. >Ctrl-alt-f1 gets you back to Linux. You can use both >systems simultaneously. > > This sounds like a very elegant solution, thanks. >-Rob > >--- Ken Grant wrote: > > >>Hi all: >> >>Earlier this year a friend and I set up a k12ltsp >>network at a local >>private school. We have one parent, who also writes >>grants and has a >>consulting business, that wants us to move >>completely to Windows. This >>person is completely unreasonable and will not >>listen to any of our >>points as to why Linux is a superior solution. >> >>That said, what I would like to know from you folks >>is what is the best >>way to provide services for the inevitable Windows >>programs that will >>have to be run. We have several teachers who have >>programs, mostly K-4, >>that are only Windows based. For example, Reading >>Counts, Math Counts, >>etc. The science teacher also has one or two >>programs she would like to >>continue using. >> >>Do you know of substitues that are available for the >>reading and math >>programs? >> >>How do you folks handle this situation at your >>schools? Does anyone run >>Win4Lin Terminal Services and is it any good? >> >>Thanks for you thoughts. I am in no mood to throw >>out a year's worth of >>work and fervently believe that k12ltsp is far >>superior to anything else >>available for schools. >> >>Cheers, >>Ken >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > > > >Discover Yahoo! >Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it out! >http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From kmgrant at actaccess.net Tue May 10 05:50:59 2005 From: kmgrant at actaccess.net (Ken Grant) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 05:50:59 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Providing Services for Windows In-Reply-To: <200505101314.j4ADEmV28219@downeast.net> References: <200505101314.j4ADEmV28219@downeast.net> Message-ID: <42804BC3.4090609@actaccess.net> cliebow at downeast.net wrote: >hi: i am looking into win4lin terminal server..vmware did nothing for me..i >have six schools with new linux servers looking to use lexia learning as a >justification for the expense..no luck with winex..it all seems to come >back to relible sound..keep in touch and i will pass on what ever i >find..chuck..and best of luck.. > > Thanks! I will keep in touch and let you know what we are doing. Ken > > >>Hi all: >> >>Earlier this year a friend and I set up a k12ltsp network at a local >>private school. We erverhave one parent, who also writes grants and has a >>consulting business, thatin4lin terminal s wants us to move completely to >> >> >Windows. This > > >>person is completely unreasonable and will not listen to any of our >>points as to why Linux is a superior solution. >> >>That said, what I would like to know from you folks is what is the best >>way to provide services for the inevitable Windows programs that will >>have to be run. We have several teachers who have programs, mostly K-4, >>that are only Windows based. For example, Reading Counts, Math Counts, >>etc. The science teacher also has one or two programs she would like to >>continue using. >> >>Do you know of substitues that are available for the reading and math >>programs? >> >>How do you folks handle this situation at your schools? Does anyone run >>Win4Lin Terminal Services and is it any good? >> >>Thanks for you thoughts. I am in no mood to throw out a year's worth of >>work and fervently believe that k12ltsp is far superior to anything else >>available for schools. >> >>Cheers, >>Ken >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >> >> > > >--------------------------------------------- >This message was sent from Downeast.Net. >http://ellsworthme.com/ > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From aslansreturn at yahoo.com Tue May 10 13:05:05 2005 From: aslansreturn at yahoo.com (richard ingalls) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 06:05:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] killer elementary/junior high apps? In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050510130505.52588.qmail@web52905.mail.yahoo.com> My middle school aged kids mostly use the labs for OpenOffice and the Gimp and Firefox (and of course games). I don't even use my linux labs with the primary grade kids (they have a Windows lab with "JumpStart" games). The 5-8th grade kids write reports, letters, do presentations and some spreadsheet work, as well as internet research for class projects. I chose to go with PostNuke for my schools' CMS. I'm in the process of setting up a Moodle site for the middle school language arts class. I host the PostNuke site on our own webserver (RedHat 8 with Apache). I'll host the Moodle site from the Language Arts classroom server. All of this software is FOSS. http://glenwood.k12.mo.us is my school site. Before PostNuke CMS I used Dreamweaver and it was a LOT of work and ate up TONS of my time. Now, it's pretty simple. --- Ascension Tech wrote: > Hey All, > I'm sure this question must have been asked before. > Let me first say > that our school is prek-8th grade. What software are > elementary/junior > high schools getting the most out of, FOSS and > otherwise? We have > been using Gcompris. Also some of the math programs > like tux math and > kbruch. The bundled software doesn't seem to offer > much to our older > grades since much of it shoots too high or too low. > Also, how many > elementary schools are benefiting from content > management systems? > What do you like and why? Can anyone's CMS be > accessed from the > internet so I can see what they are like and also > show > teachers/administration what they are capable of? > > > Thanks so much, > Peter > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail From petre at maltzen.net Tue May 10 13:24:17 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 08:24:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Aaagh! Not enough time! Message-ID: <4280B601.7070704@maltzen.net> I'm meeting with some teachers at lunch today who are quite interested in Linux/LTSP. I want to give them CDs, but the only ISOs I have are for the beta of 4.2.0. I don't think I have enought time to get the latest ISOs, but I really want the Mac stuff included. If they install from these beta CDs, and then run 'apt-get update' or 'apt-get upgrade', will they get all the stuff they need for supporting Mac clients? Petre From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tue May 10 13:38:23 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 08:38:23 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] wav player In-Reply-To: <427C19BF.8070801@elp.rr.com> References: <427C19BF.8070801@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: It's either XMMS or mplayer. . . Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Fri, 6 May 2005, John P. Conlon wrote: > When I had K12LTSP 4.0.1 I had a Winamp type player that would play > Windows type wave files and I could get the files to work in OO > presentation. About 2 months ago I had a server crash and had to do a > clean install. I seem to recall that the file was called mm something. > I don't remember where I got the player so any help would be great. > > I am currently running 4.2.1 > > Thanks > Pat > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Tue May 10 13:41:23 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 08:41:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Aaagh! Not enough time! In-Reply-To: <4280B601.7070704@maltzen.net> References: <4280B601.7070704@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <4280BA03.8010801@maltzen.net> Replying to my own post, using rsync to update the ISOs I have from beta of 4.2.0 to 4.2.1 would seem to be the quickest route. Having said that, I only have 4 ISO files from the 4.2.0 beta, but I understand 4.2.1 comes on 5 CDs. Will rsync automatically create the fifth CD? Petre Scheie wrote: > I'm meeting with some teachers at lunch today who are quite interested > in Linux/LTSP. I want to give them CDs, but the only ISOs I have are > for the beta of 4.2.0. I don't think I have enought time to get the > latest ISOs, but I really want the Mac stuff included. If they install > from these beta CDs, and then run 'apt-get update' or 'apt-get upgrade', > will they get all the stuff they need for supporting Mac clients? > > Petre > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue May 10 14:02:53 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 07:02:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Aaagh! Not enough time! In-Reply-To: <4280BA03.8010801@maltzen.net> References: <4280B601.7070704@maltzen.net> <4280BA03.8010801@maltzen.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 10 May 2005, Petre Scheie wrote: > Replying to my own post, using rsync to update the ISOs I have from beta of > 4.2.0 to 4.2.1 would seem to be the quickest route. Having said that, I only > have 4 ISO files from the 4.2.0 beta, but I understand 4.2.1 comes on 5 CDs. > Will rsync automatically create the fifth CD? > Petre Scheie wrote: >> I'm meeting with some teachers at lunch today who are quite interested in >> Linux/LTSP. I want to give them CDs, but the only ISOs I have are for the >> beta of 4.2.0. I don't think I have enought time to get the latest ISOs, but >> I really want the Mac stuff included. If they install from these beta CDs, >> and then run 'apt-get update' or 'apt-get upgrade', will they get all the >> stuff they need for supporting Mac clients? Yes, to both questions ;-) -Eric From aslansreturn at yahoo.com Tue May 10 15:16:35 2005 From: aslansreturn at yahoo.com (richard ingalls) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 08:16:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] New FC3 server, how to export /home correctly? In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050510151635.79301.qmail@web52906.mail.yahoo.com> Finally, my nightmare with migrating to FC3 is over! Hallelujah! Angels are singing! Here's what I did (thanks to everyone who helped out): 1) Installed FC3 via NFS to 5 classroom servers (no firewall, no SELinux options). 2) Configured one classroom server to export /home to the others. Used Webmin. 3) Created all the users' accounts via Webmin batch script. 4) Configured the other classroom servers to mount /home via NFS. Used Webmin again. (First add the /home server to hosts file via Webmin, then mount /home). 5) Copied group, gshadow *(that's new), passwd & shadow files from /etc/ on the /home server to /etc/ on the other servers. 6) And it worked. --- Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > Could this be simplified with the following in > /etc/exports? > > > > /home > > > 207.160.224.0/255.255.255.0(rw,sync,insecure_locks,no_root_squash) > > > > This should share to the whole subnet, I know it > isn't as > > secure but you can always narrow it down later. > > With the problems you are having I would really try > this for > simplification and then narrow it down after > everything works. > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/ From spowers at inlandlakes.org Tue May 10 15:43:39 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 11:43:39 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Apple Xserve as /home ? Message-ID: <4280D6AB.9000503@inlandlakes.org> I'm having significant problems with netatalk in my network -- I'm not sure if it's because I'm sharing /home directories that are mounted via nfs, or what -- but the .AppleDB folders get corrupt every time a user logs out. (Note, this problem was mentioned on this list before, and I haven't found a solution yet, even reinstalling on a second server... ugh.) Right now, I have a cron job that deletes the .AppleDB folder in everyone's home directory every 3 minutes. What a kludge -- AND it causes instability for users currently logged in (but not as much as I though it would...) Anyway, if I buy an actual Apple server, can it export /home for my linux boxes? (And my Microsoft boxes?) I still need good support for OS9 clients, so I can't just use samba. Anyone using an xserve as your /home directory server? Advice one way or another? Thanks, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From chandler_a at sgusd.k12.ca.us Tue May 10 15:43:29 2005 From: chandler_a at sgusd.k12.ca.us (chandler_a) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 08:43:29 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: K12OSN Digest, Vol 15, Issue 16 Message-ID: <850019694@mail.sgusd.k12.ca.us> Thank you for your message: I will be out of the office the entire day. I will respond to your message as soon as possible when I return on the 11th. From scott at hosef.org Tue May 10 17:22:49 2005 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 07:22:49 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] New FC3 server, how to export /home correctly? In-Reply-To: <20050510151635.79301.qmail@web52906.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050510151635.79301.qmail@web52906.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4280EDE9.1050006@hosef.org> richard ingalls wrote: > Finally, my nightmare with migrating to FC3 is over! > Hallelujah! Angels are singing! Here's what I did > (thanks to everyone who helped out): > > 1) Installed FC3 via NFS to 5 classroom servers (no > firewall, no SELinux options). > 2) Configured one classroom server to export /home to > the others. Used Webmin. > 3) Created all the users' accounts via Webmin batch > script. > 4) Configured the other classroom servers to mount > /home via NFS. Used Webmin again. (First add the > /home server to hosts file via Webmin, then mount > /home). > 5) Copied group, gshadow *(that's new), passwd & > shadow files from /etc/ on the /home server to /etc/ > on the other servers. > 6) And it worked. Well done and thanks for the concluding summary, Richard. Yours is becoming quite a success story. --scott From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue May 10 17:58:03 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 10:58:03 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Apple Xserve as /home ? In-Reply-To: <4280D6AB.9000503@inlandlakes.org> References: <4280D6AB.9000503@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <4280F62B.6000400@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Shawn Powers wrote: > I'm having significant problems with netatalk in my network -- I'm not > sure if it's because I'm sharing /home directories that are mounted via > nfs, or what -- but the .AppleDB folders get corrupt every time a user > logs out. (Note, this problem was mentioned on this list before, and I > haven't found a solution yet, even reinstalling on a second server... > ugh.) Right now, I have a cron job that deletes the .AppleDB folder in > everyone's home directory every 3 minutes. What a kludge -- AND it > causes instability for users currently logged in (but not as much as I > though it would...) > > Anyway, if I buy an actual Apple server, can it export /home for my > linux boxes? (And my Microsoft boxes?) I still need good support for > OS9 clients, so I can't just use samba. > > Anyone using an xserve as your /home directory server? Advice one way > or another? > > Thanks, > -Shawn What version of netatalk are you using? I've been having good luck with version 2.0. We have had it in production all this school year and I have not had a single .AppleDB problem. With 2.0, you can use the "dbd" scheme for the .AppleDB files. This fires up a daemon that does all of the reading/writing to the .AppleDB file. To make this active, you have to edit your AppleVolumes.default config fine and append "cnidscheme:dbd" to each share. Such as: ~ cnidscheme:dbd To upgrade from 1.5 or 1.6 to 2.0, there is a lengthly process for modifying the existing .AppleDB files. If found it much easier just to nuke the old .AppleDBs ;-) I have RH9 & FC2/3 packages here: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/netatalk/ -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From jim at winonacotter.org Tue May 10 18:09:41 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 13:09:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] New FC3 server, how to export /home correctly? In-Reply-To: <20050510151635.79301.qmail@web52906.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001d01c5558b$6fd089c0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Finally, my nightmare with migrating to FC3 is over! > Hallelujah! Angels are singing! Here's what I did > (thanks to everyone who helped out): > > 1) Installed FC3 via NFS to 5 classroom servers (no > firewall, no SELinux options). > 2) Configured one classroom server to export /home to > the others. Used Webmin. > 3) Created all the users' accounts via Webmin batch > script. > 4) Configured the other classroom servers to mount > /home via NFS. Used Webmin again. (First add the > /home server to hosts file via Webmin, then mount > /home). > 5) Copied group, gshadow *(that's new), passwd & > shadow files from /etc/ on the /home server to /etc/ > on the other servers. > 6) And it worked. Awesome to hear. I was beginning to wonder if you had succeeded or given up. I just wonder what problems you will have in the future with adding or removing users. Maybe someone out here has a suggestion to writing a cron or how to use rsync to keep those files updating automagically without you having to copy those files out to 5 servers everytime you change/add/remove a user. Now I hope you documented this all for the next upgrade :-) Thanks for not giving up! -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From gary.frederick at jsoft.com Tue May 10 18:08:42 2005 From: gary.frederick at jsoft.com (Gary Frederick) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 13:08:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] legousbtower driver In-Reply-To: <1115668738.4630.12.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1115668738.4630.12.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <1115748522.3688.14.camel@server.ltsp> Seek and ye shall find clues... I finally noticed I was getting a legousbtower in $ lsmod so I looked closer at /dev and found /dev/legousbtower0 :-D a clue!!! This is after trying knoppix and SuSE... and reading lots of stuff from google and sleeping after getting frustrated... I can now download leJos to the LEGO RCX. Next I see if I can get anything to work. This was a chance to look at udev and at differences between distributions - woo hoo. Gary On Mon, 2005-05-09 at 14:58 -0500, Gary Frederick wrote: > Howdy > > I'm continuing to set up the lab for the workshop for kids and now I > need to get the leJos robotics software working. I have had leJos > working on Linux in the past but am having problems (sigh) > > > > If you are using an usb tower, you are encouraged to use at least > > kernel version 2.6.7 or later - it contains the legousbtower driver > > already. > > > > 1. If the tower is plugged in yet, plug it out > > 2. Log in as root > > 3. call rm -f /dev/usb/legousbtower0 > > 4. call mknod --mode=a=rw /dev/usb/legousbtower0 c 180 160 > > and I get... > > [root at server ggf]# mknod --mode=a=rw /dev/usb/legousbtower0 c 180 160 > mknod: `/dev/usb/legousbtower0': No such file or directory > > > I think k12ltsp knows the tower is there when I plug it in. The IR > light comes on for a bit so something is happening... > > What do I need to do to get /dev/usb/legousbtower0? > > Thanks. > > Gary > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From spowers at inlandlakes.org Tue May 10 18:13:05 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 14:13:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Apple Xserve as /home ? In-Reply-To: <4280F62B.6000400@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <4280D6AB.9000503@inlandlakes.org> <4280F62B.6000400@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <4280F9B1.3010605@inlandlakes.org> Eric Harrison wrote: > I've been having good luck with version 2.0. We have had it in > production all this school year and I have not had a single .AppleDB > problem. I believe symlinks don't work at all, correct? Perhaps it's sloppy of me, but I have a ton of things symlinked (shared folders, a symlink to web folder space, etc) How do most people handle shared folders? I use symlinks, so that it's the same in win/mac/linux. Thanks again, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From jim at winonacotter.org Tue May 10 19:02:45 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 14:02:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Apple Xserve as /home ? In-Reply-To: <4280D6AB.9000503@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <002501c55592$d9b5e590$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Anyway, if I buy an actual Apple server, can it export /home for my > linux boxes? (And my Microsoft boxes?) I still need good > support for > OS9 clients, so I can't just use samba. Couldn't you just export /home from the Xserve and modify your /etc/fstab on your Linux Servers to mount it on startup. Then configure LDAP from your Xserve and use Authconfig to set your Linux Servers to Authenticate and pull users from your Xserve? I would think this would do what you want. On the other hand I think I am using netatalk 1.6 and am having far better luck serving Appletalk with this than I ever have with Mac servers. My solution to get around the stupid .AppleDB, .AppleDouble, .AppleDesktop crap was to let any folders with those names be writable by anyone. I haven't had any trouble with those files under user folders, only on shared folders. Problem was someone wrote to a shared folder, perms were set for them, then another user went to access those shares and needed to modify one of those three folders and things would get hosed. I figured since the folders were hidden and since they didn't really contain any critical data (as far as I know), there wouldn't be any harm in chmod 777 to those. I would think it very easy to write a script for cron to periodically locate any .Apple* files and chmod 777 if they aren't already. Otherwise I just manually create those folders upon creation of any new public share and chmod 777 them manually. Except for a small learning curve in the beginning of the year I have not had one problem since about October with regard to this. Hope that helps. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue May 10 19:16:42 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 15:16:42 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] New FC3 server, how to export /home correctly? In-Reply-To: <001d01c5558b$6fd089c0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001d01c5558b$6fd089c0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tue May 10 2005 at 14:09 +0000 wrote: >Awesome to hear. I was beginning to wonder if you had succeeded or >given up. > >I just wonder what problems you will have in the future with adding or >removing users. Maybe someone out here has a suggestion to writing a >cron or how to use rsync to keep those files updating automagically >without you having to copy those files out to 5 servers everytime you >change/add/remove a user. > >Now I hope you documented this all for the next upgrade :-) > >Thanks for not giving up! Attaboy! Glad you got it working! That's so cool! Not now, but ultimately something like Samba/LDAP would be a much easier way to go. you'd only have to maintain users and files on one machine. It's a cinch to set up too now that we have the smbldap installer. You could run it on the "master" server and simply export /home like you are doing now...you lose nothing in performance as you are exporting /home already....the pain you're having with authentication now is what will go away. You simply set up the master with all the user accounts and use "authconfig" to tell the other servers to get their users from the master. One set of users...one home dir. Maybe something you can try this summer? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From scott at hosef.org Tue May 10 19:16:44 2005 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 09:16:44 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Solving the bandwidth bottleneck Message-ID: <200505100916.44215.scott@hosef.org> Can I configure my dhcpd.conf file to work with 2 local interfaces? The TYAN mobos we are using have 3 nics, 2 10/100/1000 and 1 10/100. If I could have both the gig nics serving clients, then I could integrate a second switch into this lab of 30 and possibly eliminate the bandwidth bottleneck they sometimes suffer. I have heard talk about channel bonding, vlans, and what not. It seems that if I could just edit dhcpd.conf and whatever else that it would be a lot more simple. I await your wisdom --scott From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue May 10 19:21:05 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 15:21:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Local App Firefox and Samba Authentication In-Reply-To: <200505101138.20102.richard.holtz@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> References: <200505101138.20102.richard.holtz@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tue May 10 2005 at 07:38 +0000 wrote: >I am currently setting up Firefox as a local application for thin clients >running off of several K12LTSP 4.2 servers. > >I can invoke the application successfully for users who authenticate via >NIS, >but we also have a number of users who authenticate against a Windows NT >machine (via Samba). If one of these users calls local firefox, >authentication (be it key or password based) fails, and firefox fails to >load. > >I'd appreciate advice from anyone who has managed to get local firefox >working >in such an environment. Naturally, if I come up with the solution first, >I >will post it here. Thanks in advance! I too am interested as I don't run NIS and would like to install Firefox as a local app.....I use Samba/LDAP. Can this be done? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From jam at mcquil.com Tue May 10 19:25:42 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 15:25:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Solving the bandwidth bottleneck In-Reply-To: <200505100916.44215.scott@hosef.org> References: <200505100916.44215.scott@hosef.org> Message-ID: Scott, yes, you could connect the 2 switches to your 2 nics and split the load. Just make sure you don't then connect the 2 switches together. AND, make sure you pick different subnets for the 2 networks. Something like 192.168.0.x for eth0, an 192.168.1.x for eth1 would work, assuming your netmask is 255.255.255.0 Although i'd be pretty surprised if you are utilizing all of the 1gbit link between the server and 1 switch. Again, assuming the switch has a 1gbit port. If not, that would be a great way to resolve your bandwidth problem. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Tue, 10 May 2005, R. Scott Belford wrote: > Can I configure my dhcpd.conf file to work with 2 local interfaces? The TYAN > mobos we are using have 3 nics, 2 10/100/1000 and 1 10/100. If I could have > both the gig nics serving clients, then I could integrate a second switch > into this lab of 30 and possibly eliminate the bandwidth bottleneck they > sometimes suffer. > > I have heard talk about channel bonding, vlans, and what not. It seems that > if I could just edit dhcpd.conf and whatever else that it would be a lot more > simple. I await your wisdom > > --scott > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From scott at hosef.org Tue May 10 19:36:23 2005 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 09:36:23 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Solving the bandwidth bottleneck In-Reply-To: References: <200505100916.44215.scott@hosef.org> Message-ID: <200505100936.23567.scott@hosef.org> On Tuesday 10 May 2005 09:25 am, Jim McQuillan wrote: > Scott, > > yes, you could connect the 2 switches to your 2 nics and split the load. > > Just make sure you don't then connect the 2 switches together. > > AND, make sure you pick different subnets for the 2 networks. > > Something like 192.168.0.x for eth0, an 192.168.1.x for eth1 would work, > assuming your netmask is 255.255.255.0 Glory Be. Thanks Jim. > > Although i'd be pretty surprised if you are utilizing all of the 1gbit > link between the server and 1 switch. Again, assuming the switch has a > 1gbit port. If not, that would be a great way to resolve your bandwidth > problem. Definitely a gig switch, but with humans involved it could possibly be uplinked inappropriately. It may not even be a Gig cable. I'll investigate this, and, if it is not the issue, I'll study bandwidth vs. i/o utilization to be sure that I have a valid theory. I appreciate the insight. > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org --scott From jim at winonacotter.org Tue May 10 19:50:29 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 14:50:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Solving the bandwidth bottleneck In-Reply-To: <200505100916.44215.scott@hosef.org> Message-ID: <002c01c55599$84e62640$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Can I configure my dhcpd.conf file to work with 2 local > interfaces? The TYAN > mobos we are using have 3 nics, 2 10/100/1000 and 1 10/100. > If I could have > both the gig nics serving clients, then I could integrate a > second switch > into this lab of 30 and possibly eliminate the bandwidth > bottleneck they > sometimes suffer. I have not tried this with LTSP yet but I do adaptor teaming with Intel Pro NIC's in a couple of my servers. I plan to try this in the future (hopefully this summer) with my new LTSP server. I will just list my notes for configuring this below, do with them what you like. Download Intel Pro 1000MT Dual Port NIC Drivers from www.intel.com e1000-5.2.52.tar.gz and iANS-3.0.2.tar.gz #tar zxf e1000-5.2.52.tar.gz #cd e1000-5.2.52/src #make install #insmod e1000 This installs the e1000 drivers. #tar zxf iANS-3.0.2.tar.gz #cd iANS-3.0.2/src #make #make install #ianstool This runs the iANS configuration tool. Enter 1 to add a team, name "team1", use ALB (Adaptive Load Balancing, fails over if one dies, otherwise evenly distributes load across NICs in team), enable RLB, VLAN mode none, join eth0 as primary, join eth1 as secondary, Virtual Adaptor name "team1", Enter 5 to save topology across boots. This configured your adaptor team1. You can use as many adaptors to a team as you can fit in a machine. Now configure an IP address for team1. #vi /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-team1 DEVICE=team1 ONBOOT=yes BOOTPROTO=static USERCTL=no IPADDR=10.6.1.15 NETMASK=255.255.0.0 GATEWAY=10.6.0.1 Quit vi and save. Restart network and be sure team1 starts (OK). Of course use your own IP and network information for configuring ifcfg-team1. Now this only works with Intel Pro NICs. And to my knowledge you don't need any special network equipment to make this possible, your network should see this as a single IP and a single NIC. Also I configure /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 and eth1 with the following: DEVICE=eth0 ONBOOT=no BOOTPROTO=dhcp USERCTL=no PEERDNS=no TYPE=Ethernet This way they are transparent to the network and unaccessible. I hope this helps. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tue May 10 19:47:27 2005 From: simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 14:47:27 -0500 (CDT) Subject: OT-hijacked. . .Re: [K12OSN] Solving the bandwidth bottleneck In-Reply-To: <200505100936.23567.scott@hosef.org> References: <200505100916.44215.scott@hosef.org> <200505100936.23567.scott@hosef.org> Message-ID: OT: I have two NICs in a server, one on a public IP and one on a private one and they are both connected to the same switch. . . is this really a problem? Don't seem to be from here. . . Doug Simpson Technology Specialist DeQueen Public Schools DeQueen, AR 71832 simpsond at leopards.k12.ar.us Tux for President! On Tue, 10 May 2005, R. Scott Belford wrote: > On Tuesday 10 May 2005 09:25 am, Jim McQuillan wrote: > > Scott, > > > > yes, you could connect the 2 switches to your 2 nics and split the load. > > > > Just make sure you don't then connect the 2 switches together. > > > > AND, make sure you pick different subnets for the 2 networks. > > > > Something like 192.168.0.x for eth0, an 192.168.1.x for eth1 would work, > > assuming your netmask is 255.255.255.0 > > Glory Be. Thanks Jim. > > > > > Although i'd be pretty surprised if you are utilizing all of the 1gbit > > link between the server and 1 switch. Again, assuming the switch has a > > 1gbit port. If not, that would be a great way to resolve your bandwidth > > problem. > > Definitely a gig switch, but with humans involved it could possibly be > uplinked inappropriately. It may not even be a Gig cable. I'll investigate > this, and, if it is not the issue, I'll study bandwidth vs. i/o utilization > to be sure that I have a valid theory. I appreciate the insight. > > > > > Jim McQuillan > > jam at Ltsp.org > > --scott > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Tue May 10 19:58:24 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 14:58:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Solving the bandwidth bottleneck In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002d01c5559a$a058dcf0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > yes, you could connect the 2 switches to your 2 nics and > split the load. > > Just make sure you don't then connect the 2 switches together. > > AND, make sure you pick different subnets for the 2 networks. > > Something like 192.168.0.x for eth0, an 192.168.1.x for eth1 > would work, assuming your netmask is 255.255.255.0 > > Although i'd be pretty surprised if you are utilizing all of > the 1gbit link between the server and 1 switch. Again, > assuming the switch has a 1gbit port. If not, that would be > a great way to resolve your bandwidth problem. I assume that then you don't have to make any changes to lts.conf or dhcpd.conf and all traffic will just find its way back out the requesting port? If so cool. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Tue May 10 20:03:47 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 15:03:47 -0500 Subject: OT-hijacked. . .Re: [K12OSN] Solving the bandwidth bottleneck In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002e01c5559b$60902b40$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > I have two NICs in a server, one on a public IP and one on a > private one > and they are both connected to the same switch. . . is this really a > problem? > > Don't seem to be from here. . . As far as know this definitely breaks more than a couple networking rules :-) If it is working I hate to say change it as the general rule is "if it ain't broke don't fix it". But you may want to fix that. You should never have 2 networks propogating the same switch. This should cause major slowdowns and collisions, if not more. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From bkovach at lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us Tue May 10 20:10:28 2005 From: bkovach at lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us (Brandon Kovach) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 15:10:28 -0500 Subject: OT-hijacked. . .Re: [K12OSN] Solving the bandwidth bottleneck In-Reply-To: <002e01c5559b$60902b40$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <002e01c5559b$60902b40$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <42811534.9000606@lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us> Shouldn't be a problem if they are separate VLANs. However, that doesn't appear to be the case here. Jim Kronebusch wrote: >>I have two NICs in a server, one on a public IP and one on a >>private one >>and they are both connected to the same switch. . . is this really a >>problem? >> >>Don't seem to be from here. . . > > > As far as know this definitely breaks more than a couple networking > rules :-) > > If it is working I hate to say change it as the general rule is "if it > ain't broke don't fix it". But you may want to fix that. > > You should never have 2 networks propogating the same switch. This > should cause major slowdowns and collisions, if not more. > > From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue May 10 20:26:01 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 13:26:01 -0700 Subject: OT-hijacked. . .Re: [K12OSN] Solving the bandwidth bottleneck In-Reply-To: <002e01c5559b$60902b40$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <002e01c5559b$60902b40$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <428118D9.8090805@paasda.org> It was my understanding that switches are "smart". and know what port requests what and where it's going/coming from... unlike a hub which just spurts traffic on all ports for the sake of spurting =) --Huck(not a switch expert obviously) Jim Kronebusch wrote: >>I have two NICs in a server, one on a public IP and one on a >>private one >>and they are both connected to the same switch. . . is this really a >>problem? >> >>Don't seem to be from here. . . > > > As far as know this definitely breaks more than a couple networking > rules :-) > > If it is working I hate to say change it as the general rule is "if it > ain't broke don't fix it". But you may want to fix that. > > You should never have 2 networks propogating the same switch. This > should cause major slowdowns and collisions, if not more. > > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue May 10 20:28:56 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 13:28:56 -0700 Subject: OT-hijacked. . .Re: [K12OSN] Solving the bandwidth bottleneck In-Reply-To: <002e01c5559b$60902b40$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <002e01c5559b$60902b40$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <42811988.3030900@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Jim Kronebusch wrote: >>I have two NICs in a server, one on a public IP and one on a >>private one >>and they are both connected to the same switch. . . is this really a >>problem? >> >>Don't seem to be from here. . . > > > As far as know this definitely breaks more than a couple networking > rules :-) > > If it is working I hate to say change it as the general rule is "if it > ain't broke don't fix it". But you may want to fix that. > > You should never have 2 networks propogating the same switch. This > should cause major slowdowns and collisions, if not more. > > Having two NICs on the same logical network is certainly a no-no. But in Doug's case above, he specifies that the two NICs are on different logical networks (one public, one private). I have the same setup on several of my servers. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From jim at winonacotter.org Tue May 10 20:38:25 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 15:38:25 -0500 Subject: OT-hijacked. . .Re: [K12OSN] Solving the bandwidth bottleneck In-Reply-To: <428118D9.8090805@paasda.org> Message-ID: <003701c555a0$36e7b3d0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > It was my understanding that switches are "smart". > and know what port requests what and where it's going/coming > from... unlike a hub which just spurts traffic on all ports > for the sake of > spurting =) > > --Huck(not a switch expert obviously) >From what I know this will hose up routing tables and get things confused as to what direction to go for other networks. With both networks in the same switch it could make it look like any external networks could be reached out either NIC and get things very confused. I am sure there are other reasons why not to but this seems the most obvious. As far the difference of a switch and a hub a switch is smarter. But that just means that a directed request go to only the needed port instead of all ports. But they still don't handle any routing as they are only layer 2 devices. So when you start to hose the routing tables of your layer 3 devices things start to get messy. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jam at mcquil.com Tue May 10 20:55:34 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 16:55:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: OT-hijacked. . .Re: [K12OSN] Solving the bandwidth bottleneck In-Reply-To: <42811988.3030900@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <002e01c5559b$60902b40$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> <42811988.3030900@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: Hmm, Let me try to explain WHY connecting 2 nics on the same machine to the same switch is a BAD IDEA. I'm talking about the case when you are NOT using VLANS. VLANs effectively split a physical switch into separate switches. It helps to have an understanding of how packets get from one machine to another on the same lan. When 2 computers on a LAN talk to each other, they don't address each other by IP address. Deep down, they really address each other with MAC addresses. The way a client gets the MAC address of the server is it sends out an ARP request. This is an Ethernet broadcast. It is to see 'Who has' a specific IP address. ALL nodes on the network will receive that broadcast. The server will receive the broadcast on both nics. AND, since the server has the IP address in question, it will send out the ARP reply on both of it's interfaces. That's because it is the protocol stack in the kernel that is handling this, not the NIC. Now, because the server sent out 2 replies, one for each nic, the switch will see these ARP replies, and add both to its arp table. Depending on how the arp table code is setup in the switch, it might keep both, or one might step on the other. Then, when you try talking to the server, the packet will get to the switch, and then the switch will decide which port to send it out, based on its arp tables. It might send the packet out the correct port, or it might send the packet out the wrong port, OR, it might send it out both ports. Don't forget, we use switches and not hubs, because switches setup virtual circuits between 2 nodes on the net. It's the arp table that allows the switch to know how to setup that circuit. Sometimes you'll get lucky, and it will just seem to work fine. Other times, you'll have un-explained packet loss or collisions. This has NOTHING to do with your choice if IP Subnetting. This happens below the IP layer. So, my advice: NEVER connect 2 nics on the same server to the same switch. Even if it seems to work fine when you do it. Trouble lurks, and it won't appear when you are sitting idle with nothing else to do. The trouble will happen on a friday afternoon, just as you are heading out to begin a vacation, and the boss calls, because his PC on his desk can't get to the internet, so he can't check his stock portfolio. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Tue, 10 May 2005, Eric Harrison wrote: > Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > > I have two NICs in a server, one on a public IP and one on a > > > private one > > > and they are both connected to the same switch. . . is this really a > > > problem? > > > > > > Don't seem to be from here. . . > > > > > > As far as know this definitely breaks more than a couple networking > > rules :-) > > > > If it is working I hate to say change it as the general rule is "if it > > ain't broke don't fix it". But you may want to fix that. > > > > You should never have 2 networks propogating the same switch. This > > should cause major slowdowns and collisions, if not more. > > > > > > Having two NICs on the same logical network is certainly a no-no. > > But in Doug's case above, he specifies that the two NICs are on > different logical networks (one public, one private). I have the same > setup on several of my servers. > > -Eric > From jim at winonacotter.org Tue May 10 21:09:53 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 16:09:53 -0500 Subject: OT-hijacked. . .Re: [K12OSN] Solving the bandwidth bottleneck In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003801c555a4$9c68ab70$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Very well put Jim. I was going to find some official documentation but yours seems very complete. I just vaguely remember all of the specifics from getting my CCNA. The point here is it may seem okay. But underneath you may have an intermittent problem, or one just waiting to happen. Switches are cheap enough, don't take the risk. If anyone can find information stating otherwise I would love to see it. I tried to look for some but can't find anything stating 2 networks on the same switch is a good idea. > Hmm, > > Let me try to explain WHY connecting 2 nics on the same > machine to the same switch is a BAD IDEA. > > I'm talking about the case when you are NOT using VLANS. > VLANs effectively split a physical switch into separate switches. > > It helps to have an understanding of how packets get from one > machine to another on the same lan. > > When 2 computers on a LAN talk to each other, they don't > address each other by IP address. Deep down, they really > address each other with MAC addresses. > > The way a client gets the MAC address of the server is it > sends out an ARP request. This is an Ethernet broadcast. It > is to see 'Who has' a specific IP address. > > ALL nodes on the network will receive that broadcast. > > The server will receive the broadcast on both nics. AND, > since the server has the IP address in question, it will send > out the ARP reply on both of it's interfaces. That's because > it is the protocol stack in the kernel that is handling this, > not the NIC. > > Now, because the server sent out 2 replies, one for each nic, > the switch will see these ARP replies, and add both to its > arp table. Depending on how the arp table code is setup in > the switch, it might keep both, or one might step on the other. > > Then, when you try talking to the server, the packet will get > to the switch, and then the switch will decide which port to > send it out, based on its arp tables. It might send the > packet out the correct port, or it might send the packet out > the wrong port, OR, it might send it out both ports. Don't > forget, we use switches and not hubs, because switches setup > virtual circuits between 2 nodes on the net. It's the arp > table that allows the switch to know how to setup that circuit. > > Sometimes you'll get lucky, and it will just seem to work > fine. Other times, you'll have un-explained packet loss or collisions. > > This has NOTHING to do with your choice if IP Subnetting. > This happens below the IP layer. > > So, my advice: NEVER connect 2 nics on the same server to > the same switch. Even if it seems to work fine when you do > it. Trouble lurks, and it won't appear when you are sitting > idle with nothing else to do. The trouble will happen on a > friday afternoon, just as you are heading out to begin a > vacation, and the boss calls, because his PC on his desk > can't get to the internet, so he can't check his stock portfolio. > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org > > > > > On Tue, 10 May 2005, Eric Harrison wrote: > > > Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > > > I have two NICs in a server, one on a public IP and one on a > > > > private one and they are both connected to the same > switch. . . is > > > > this really a problem? > > > > > > > > Don't seem to be from here. . . > > > > > > > > > As far as know this definitely breaks more than a couple > networking > > > rules :-) > > > > > > If it is working I hate to say change it as the general > rule is "if > > > it ain't broke don't fix it". But you may want to fix that. > > > > > > You should never have 2 networks propogating the same > switch. This > > > should cause major slowdowns and collisions, if not more. > > > > > > > > > > Having two NICs on the same logical network is certainly a no-no. > > > > But in Doug's case above, he specifies that the two NICs are on > > different logical networks (one public, one private). I > have the same > > setup on several of my servers. > > > > -Eric > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From arendsj at skokie69.k12.il.us Tue May 10 21:11:54 2005 From: arendsj at skokie69.k12.il.us (John Arends) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 16:11:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] pxe question Message-ID: I have access to a few old dell optiplex boxes that support PXE. I'd like them to be thin clients to an LTSP box, but a couple of problems: There already is a windows based dhcp server in place for the entire WAN that I can't move. Also I don't have a way to put the server next to the clients so the dual NIC method and a small private network won't work either. Any ideas? From dhuckaby at paasda.org Tue May 10 21:17:23 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 14:17:23 -0700 Subject: OT-hijacked. . .Re: [K12OSN] Solving the bandwidth bottleneck In-Reply-To: References: <002e01c5559b$60902b40$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> <42811988.3030900@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <428124E3.7050903@paasda.org> Jim McQuillan wrote: > > So, my advice: NEVER connect 2 nics on the same server to the same > switch. Even if it seems to work fine when you do it. Trouble lurks, > and it won't appear when you are sitting idle with nothing else to do. > The trouble will happen on a friday afternoon, just as you are heading > out to begin a vacation, and the boss calls, because his PC on his desk > can't get to the internet, so he can't check his stock portfolio. Tell him company computers are for corporate use, not personal use and attach a copy of the corporate policy =) > > Jim McQuillan > jam at Ltsp.org From les at futuresource.com Tue May 10 21:15:06 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 16:15:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Solving the bandwidth bottleneck In-Reply-To: <002d01c5559a$a058dcf0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <002d01c5559a$a058dcf0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1115759706.18857.2.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-05-10 at 14:58, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > AND, make sure you pick different subnets for the 2 networks. > > > > Something like 192.168.0.x for eth0, an 192.168.1.x for eth1 > > would work, assuming your netmask is 255.255.255.0 > > > > Although i'd be pretty surprised if you are utilizing all of > > the 1gbit link between the server and 1 switch. Again, > > assuming the switch has a 1gbit port. If not, that would be > > a great way to resolve your bandwidth problem. > > I assume that then you don't have to make any changes to lts.conf or > dhcpd.conf and all traffic will just find its way back out the > requesting port? If so cool. You'll have to add the new subnet declaration to dhcpd.conf at least, and probably add it to any firewall exceptions that permit traffic only on the 'inside' network. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From shahms at shahms.com Tue May 10 21:36:54 2005 From: shahms at shahms.com (Shahms King) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 14:36:54 -0700 Subject: OT-hijacked. . .Re: [K12OSN] Solving the bandwidth bottleneck In-Reply-To: References: <002e01c5559b$60902b40$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> <42811988.3030900@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <42812976.8040007@shahms.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Jim McQuillan wrote: | Hmm, | | Let me try to explain WHY connecting 2 nics on the same machine to the | same switch is a BAD IDEA. | | I'm talking about the case when you are NOT using VLANS. | VLANs effectively split a physical switch into separate switches. | | It helps to have an understanding of how packets get from one machine to | another on the same lan. | | When 2 computers on a LAN talk to each other, they don't address each | other by IP address. Deep down, they really address each other with MAC | addresses. | | The way a client gets the MAC address of the server is it sends out | an ARP request. This is an Ethernet broadcast. It is to see 'Who has' | a specific IP address. | | ALL nodes on the network will receive that broadcast. | | The server will receive the broadcast on both nics. AND, since the | server has the IP address in question, it will send out the ARP reply on | both of it's interfaces. That's because it is the protocol | stack in the kernel that is handling this, not the NIC. *snip* That's not entirely true. Linux (at least as of August 2003), only sends out an ARP reply from the interface that recieved the request. Of course, when you have two NICs on the same (physical) network, both NICs will recieve the request and both will respond. This LWN article has more details: http://lwn.net/Articles/45373/ That article also includes a link the sysctl documentation describing how to change the ARP behavior to allow for two NICs on the same subnet (with some caveats). - -- Shahms E. King Multnomah ESD Public Key: http://shahms.mesd.k12.or.us/~sking/shahms.asc Fingerprint: 1612 054B CE92 8770 F1EA AB1B FEAB 3636 45B2 D75B -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCgSl1/qs2NkWy11sRAl/yAJkBNaTCx+Nep2CKbzmAPZiDxOPWHgCbBS/t EIlgxsNw75FOQE00yNO8uYk= =SuX/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Tue May 10 23:43:08 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 18:43:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] pxe question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Can you get the dhcp admin to make some changes to the server? It won't affect their clients, just yours. Bootroms or disks with an alternate dhcp port (1067) would also work. On May 10, 2005, at 4:11 PM, John Arends wrote: > I have access to a few old dell optiplex boxes that support PXE. > I'd like them to be thin clients to an LTSP box, but a couple of > problems: > > There already is a windows based dhcp server in place for the > entire WAN that I can't move. Also I don't have a way to put the > server next to the clients so the dual NIC method and a small > private network won't work either. > > Any ideas? > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Will the clients of K12LTSP authentic against Active directory so, that if I decide to implement it, we can achieve the much desired grace of a single sign on? Thanks for your time Dan Shyne _____ << ella for Spam Control >> has removed 166 Spam messages and set aside 0 Later for me You can use it too - and it's FREE! HYPERLINK "http://www.ellaforspam.com"www.ellaforspam.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.8 - Release Date: 5/10/2005 From aimssda at cscoms.com Wed May 11 01:57:05 2005 From: aimssda at cscoms.com (AIMSSDA) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 08:57:05 +0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Adding another server as backup. In-Reply-To: <20050506022201.1E434733E6@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050506022201.1E434733E6@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <42816671.3090507@cscoms.com> Hi, I have an existing LTSP server, and this coming school year i will buy another server that will serve as a backup. I don't want my students to nag me when no computer class. Now, my question is, how can i make a setup that when the first LTSP server bugs down, the clients can still boot using the other LTSP server. Is that possible? THanks Edward Pedragosa IT Manager/Teacher Adventist International Mission School Muak Lek Saraburi Thailand From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Wed May 11 02:20:24 2005 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 19:20:24 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] K12ltsp - AD In-Reply-To: <200505110123.j4B1NtJR000735@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200505110123.j4B1NtJR000735@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <42816BE8.1040502@parkrose.k12.or.us> Dan Shyne wrote: > Will the clients of K12LTSP authentic against Active directory so, that if I > decide to implement it, we can achieve the much desired grace of a single > sign on? You should investigate the winbind functions of samba: http://us2.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/winbind.html "winbind is a component of the Samba suite of programs that solves the unified logon problem. Winbind uses a UNIX implementation of Microsoft RPC calls, Pluggable Authentication Modules, and the Name Service Switch to allow Windows NT domain users to appear and operate as UNIX users on a UNIX machine." -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From veewee77 at alltel.net Wed May 11 04:10:15 2005 From: veewee77 at alltel.net (Doug Simpson) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 23:10:15 -0500 Subject: OT-hijacked. . .Re: [K12OSN] Solving the bandwidth bottleneck In-Reply-To: References: <002e01c5559b$60902b40$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> <42811988.3030900@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <428185A7.8050303@alltel.net> OK. This explanation seems ok, but then if you connect the NICs to different switches that are subsequently connected together, you get the same thing. So, how then do you get the ability to put public and private IP addresses on the same physical wire? For example, a Printer in the office has a JetDirect in it and is available on a public IP address, and connected to a small switch. Another port on that switch is connected to a workstation that gets it's IP address via DHCP (a private number). so, now there are two different IP ranges on the same physical wire, connected back at the TC to a single port on a switch, which is connected to the two NICs in the server, one public and one private. The printer is available to the machine on the private network via NAT and it is shared through the server, to both public IP machines and private IP machines. From what I gather, it would be required to run individual cables for each IP range to every connection so that the public and private would always be separate. But, in the case of dual-boot terminals. . . Example #2: Let's say the workstation mentioned above is set up to dual-boot, and get's it's IP when booted as a LTSP terminal from the DHCP on the private range NIC. But, this same workstation, when run in Winders, requires a public IP address. Then what do you do? Change the cable each time you want to use the other OS? Unhandy! Especially for users! So far, having two NICs on the same switch hasn't seemed to adversely affect it . . . Doug Jim McQuillan wrote: >Hmm, > >Let me try to explain WHY connecting 2 nics on the same machine to the >same switch is a BAD IDEA. > >I'm talking about the case when you are NOT using VLANS. >VLANs effectively split a physical switch into separate switches. > >It helps to have an understanding of how packets get from one machine to >another on the same lan. > >When 2 computers on a LAN talk to each other, they don't address each >other by IP address. Deep down, they really address each other with MAC >addresses. > >The way a client gets the MAC address of the server is it sends out >an ARP request. This is an Ethernet broadcast. It is to see 'Who has' >a specific IP address. > >ALL nodes on the network will receive that broadcast. > >The server will receive the broadcast on both nics. AND, since the >server has the IP address in question, it will send out the ARP reply on >both of it's interfaces. That's because it is the protocol >stack in the kernel that is handling this, not the NIC. > >Now, because the server sent out 2 replies, one for each nic, the switch >will see these ARP replies, and add both to its arp table. Depending on >how the arp table code is setup in the switch, it might keep both, or >one might step on the other. > >Then, when you try talking to the server, the packet will get to the >switch, and then the switch will decide which port to send it out, based >on its arp tables. It might send the packet out the correct port, or it >might send the packet out the wrong port, OR, it might send it out both >ports. Don't forget, we use switches and not hubs, because switches >setup virtual circuits between 2 nodes on the net. It's the arp table >that allows the switch to know how to setup that circuit. > >Sometimes you'll get lucky, and it will just seem to work fine. >Other times, you'll have un-explained packet loss or collisions. > >This has NOTHING to do with your choice if IP Subnetting. This happens >below the IP layer. > >So, my advice: NEVER connect 2 nics on the same server to the same >switch. Even if it seems to work fine when you do it. Trouble lurks, >and it won't appear when you are sitting idle with nothing else to do. >The trouble will happen on a friday afternoon, just as you are heading >out to begin a vacation, and the boss calls, because his PC on his desk >can't get to the internet, so he can't check his stock portfolio. > >Jim McQuillan >jam at Ltsp.org > > > > >On Tue, 10 May 2005, Eric Harrison wrote: > > > >>Jim Kronebusch wrote: >> >> >>>>I have two NICs in a server, one on a public IP and one on a >>>>private one >>>>and they are both connected to the same switch. . . is this really a >>>>problem? >>>> >>>>Don't seem to be from here. . . >>>> >>>> >>>As far as know this definitely breaks more than a couple networking >>>rules :-) >>> >>>If it is working I hate to say change it as the general rule is "if it >>>ain't broke don't fix it". But you may want to fix that. >>> >>>You should never have 2 networks propogating the same switch. This >>>should cause major slowdowns and collisions, if not more. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Having two NICs on the same logical network is certainly a no-no. >> >>But in Doug's case above, he specifies that the two NICs are on >>different logical networks (one public, one private). I have the same >>setup on several of my servers. >> >>-Eric >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From les at futuresource.com Wed May 11 05:45:44 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 00:45:44 -0500 Subject: OT-hijacked. . .Re: [K12OSN] Solving the bandwidth bottleneck In-Reply-To: <428185A7.8050303@alltel.net> References: <002e01c5559b$60902b40$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> <42811988.3030900@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <428185A7.8050303@alltel.net> Message-ID: <1115790344.32011.15.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-05-10 at 23:10, Doug Simpson wrote: > So, how then do you get the ability to put public and private IP > addresses on the same physical wire? Usually that is something you want to avoid. You can overlay different subnet ranges on the same wire - it's ugly but it works. What people are saying is a bad idea is to connect 2 nics from the same machine onto that network. > For example, a Printer in the office has a JetDirect in it and is > available on a public IP address, and connected to a small switch. > Another port on that switch is connected to a workstation that gets it's > IP address via DHCP (a private number). If you really want a public address on the printer, let something route your private addresses there. > From what I gather, it would be required to run individual cables for > each IP range to every connection so that the public and private would > always be separate. Usually you let the k12ltsp box act as a NAT router for the private range on it's 'inside' NIC - and a server for the printers. > Let's say the workstation mentioned above is set up to dual-boot, and > get's it's IP when booted as a LTSP terminal from the DHCP on the > private range NIC. > > But, this same workstation, when run in Winders, requires a public IP > address. Then what do you do? Change the cable each time you want to > use the other OS? Unhandy! Especially for users! Why does it need a public address? Unless it is acting as a server (in which case you would probably leave it on all the time instead of dual booting...) it should get along fine with a private address NATed through the k12ltsp server. Or, if you have enough public addresses to split into subnets, the 2nd k12ltsp NIC could be a public branch and you could turn off NAT. > So far, having two NICs on the same switch hasn't seemed to adversely > affect it . . . Aside from normally wanting the firewalling from the public/private split, the main problem most people would have with your scheme is that you are leaking private DHCP addresses onto all of the connected networks. If you have static-assigned all of the public addresses it won't matter, but it wouldn't work most places. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Wed May 11 08:34:37 2005 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 08:34:37 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Adding another server as backup. In-Reply-To: <42816671.3090507@cscoms.com> References: <20050506022201.1E434733E6@hormel.redhat.com> <42816671.3090507@cscoms.com> Message-ID: <200505110834.37502.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> On Wednesday 11 May 2005 01:57, AIMSSDA wrote: > Hi, > > I have an existing LTSP server, and this coming school year i will buy > another server that will serve as a backup. I don't want my students to > nag me when no computer class. > > Now, my question is, how can i make a setup that when the first LTSP > server bugs down, the clients can still boot using the other LTSP > server. Is that possible? We have 6 LTSP servers for our 90 clients. Clients connect to a random server and the load is spread roughly evenly. I say "roughly" because one box is more greedy than the others and takes more logins; this may be related to the processing power of said box. User authenication is a mix of NIS and Samba; old student accounts are authenicated against an NT4 box and newer ones against one of the Linux servers using YP. When the last of the older students leaves, we can drop the NT4 box (a day that I am very much looking forward to). As far as the load balancing goes, we did nothing special. Each LTSP server was setup the same. Each is a DHCP server and each serves addresses in the same network range. The client PXE boots, grabs an i/p address from which ever server responds first and is loaded with a kernel. The second DHCP request (for the NFS) may be served by a different server to that which supplied the kernel. It just works and we've been running this setup for 2 1/2 years now. We are currently adding another class room of 30 machines and two more servers and this will be the same as the existing setup. -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From scott at hosef.org Wed May 11 08:49:19 2005 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 22:49:19 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Adding another server as backup. In-Reply-To: <200505110834.37502.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> References: <20050506022201.1E434733E6@hormel.redhat.com> <42816671.3090507@cscoms.com> <200505110834.37502.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> Message-ID: <4281C70F.5090304@hosef.org> Martin Woolley wrote: > > As far as the load balancing goes, we did nothing special. Each LTSP server > was setup the same. Each is a DHCP server and each serves addresses in the > same network range. The client PXE boots, grabs an i/p address from which > ever server responds first and is loaded with a kernel. The second DHCP > request (for the NFS) may be served by a different server to that which > supplied the kernel. I find this very interesting. How evenly is the load balanced amongst the servers? Have you done any statistical analysis? Is natural order actually arising from this seemingly chaotic design? It is very clever. --scott From sudev at mantraonline.com Wed May 11 09:02:53 2005 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 14:32:53 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Adding another server as backup. In-Reply-To: <4281C70F.5090304@hosef.org> References: <20050506022201.1E434733E6@hormel.redhat.com> <42816671.3090507@cscoms.com> <200505110834.37502.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> <4281C70F.5090304@hosef.org> Message-ID: <1115802173.21952.2.camel@server.ltsp> On Tue, 2005-05-10 at 22:49 -1000, R. Scott Belford wrote: > Martin Woolley wrote: > > As far as the load balancing goes, we did nothing special. Each LTSP server > > was setup the same. Each is a DHCP server and each serves addresses in the > > same network range. The client PXE boots, grabs an i/p address from which > > ever server responds first and is loaded with a kernel. The second DHCP > > request (for the NFS) may be served by a different server to that which > > supplied the kernel. > > I find this very interesting. How evenly is the load balanced amongst > the servers? Have you done any statistical analysis? Is natural order > actually arising from this seemingly chaotic design? It is very clever. > For more info see How is the home directory served? By a different backbone on all servers? Very interesting......Did I hear a collective gasp of all the load- balancing scripting guys? Do tell more. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Wed May 11 10:41:32 2005 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 10:41:32 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Adding another server as backup. In-Reply-To: <4281C70F.5090304@hosef.org> References: <20050506022201.1E434733E6@hormel.redhat.com> <200505110834.37502.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> <4281C70F.5090304@hosef.org> Message-ID: <200505111041.32125.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> On Wednesday 11 May 2005 08:49, R. Scott Belford wrote: > Martin Woolley wrote: > > As far as the load balancing goes, we did nothing special. Each LTSP > > server was setup the same. Each is a DHCP server and each serves > > addresses in the same network range. The client PXE boots, grabs an i/p > > address from which ever server responds first and is loaded with a > > kernel. The second DHCP request (for the NFS) may be served by a > > different server to that which supplied the kernel. > > I find this very interesting. How evenly is the load balanced amongst > the servers? Have you done any statistical analysis? Is natural order > actually arising from this seemingly chaotic design? It is very clever. The statistical analysis we do is by counting how many login prompts are per server (we use KDE and you get the server name in the login box). We can clearly see a randomish selection of our server names and the count is approximately equal. If there is no one on the network, and we reboot all of the clients, then the logins are all for one or two servers. If we leave it like this, the two servers rapidly grind to a halt. As more users logon (and network usage grows), if clients are rebooted, then the logins migrate amongst the servers. We only reboot clients individially and then only if there is a problem with that client (eg a mouse is stolen or vandalised, which are two common problems). Each night the servers are rebooted (a heavy handed method of ensuring that there are no zombie processes). Next morning, you press the enter key on a client and it reconnects to the server that is was last conencted to. How and why it all works is clearly related to the cleverness built into the DHCP specification and to the time slice that each process gets from the Unix kernel. I vaguely remember reading that is there are two or more DHCP servers dishing out addresses in the same i/p range, they keep track of addresses given out by the other servers so that no duplicates occur. What I think happens is that when a client does a DHCP request (a DHCP Discover is put on the wire), my guess is that the machine that happens to have dhcpd as the active process serves an i/p address (puts a DCHP Offer on the wire). The client responds with a DHCP Request and when the DHCP Acknowledge is broadcast, other DHCP servers take a note of the i/p address and delete it from the pool. -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Wed May 11 09:59:27 2005 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 17:59:27 +0800 Subject: OT wandering mouse, was Re: [K12OSN] Adding another server as backup. In-Reply-To: <200505111041.32125.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> References: <20050506022201.1E434733E6@hormel.redhat.com> <200505110834.37502.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> <4281C70F.5090304@hosef.org> <200505111041.32125.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> Message-ID: <1115805567.4719.130.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2005-05-11 at 10:41 +0000, Martin Woolley wrote: -big snip- > problem with that client (eg a mouse is stolen ... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Among the interesting load balancing stuff you dropped this gem about your mouse problems. That's some serious stuff - I'd only heard about kids taking the mouse's ball out before now :-( I don't know if it's an option for you to stop this problem by investing in some industrial trackballs that can be set into the bench/desk top, or ditto industrial trackpads. Alternatively, you could look at a keyboard combo that I use all the time, a Logitech "New Touch" wherein the ergonomic keyboard has a trackpad built into the wrist rest. Failing all of the above (on price or availability) you might look into getting some stand-alone track pads to replace the mouse and have your maintenance staff screw them to the desks. Just some ideas that could save you hassle and money in the long run. HTH. -- Regards, Gavin Chester From hick518 at yahoo.com Wed May 11 10:44:56 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 03:44:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Adding another server as backup. In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050511104456.66187.qmail@web41605.mail.yahoo.com> What happens if you throw another DHCP server in there that doesn't hand out kernels? By what you're saying it sounds like it would not cause any conflicts, and that each ltsp client would still be able to get a kernel because only ltsp servers (and not the plain DHCP server) would respond to the kernel request. Is that right? If so, it sounds like the port 1067 option is not necessary for integrating ltsp into a network with a pre-existing, untouchable DHCP server. -Rob --- Martin Woolley wrote: > How and why it all works is clearly related to the > cleverness built into the > DHCP specification and to the time slice that each > process gets from the Unix > kernel. I vaguely remember reading that is there > are two or more DHCP > servers dishing out addresses in the same i/p range, > they keep track of > addresses given out by the other servers so that no > duplicates occur. What I > think happens is that when a client does a DHCP > request (a DHCP Discover is > put on the wire), my guess is that the machine that > happens to have dhcpd as > the active process serves an i/p address (puts a > DCHP Offer on the wire). > The client responds with a DHCP Request and when the > DHCP Acknowledge is > broadcast, other DHCP servers take a note of the i/p > address and delete it > from the pool. > -- > Regards > Martin Woolley > ICT Support > Handsworth Grammar School > Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna > > > ************************************************************* > This email and any files transmitted with it are > confidential > and intended solely for the use of the individual or > entity > to whom they are addressed. If you have received > this email > in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org > > The views expressed within this email are those of > the > individual, and not necessarily those of the > organisation > ************************************************************* > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > Discover Yahoo! Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html From hick518 at yahoo.com Wed May 11 10:48:48 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 03:48:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: OT wandering mouse, was Re: [K12OSN] Adding another server as backup. In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050511104848.93697.qmail@web41627.mail.yahoo.com> You could use an electrical staple (the kind they use to staple residential electrical wiring to the inside of walls, ceilings, etc.) and staple that mouse cord right down to the desk. If it's stapled at the back side of the desk, you still have full range of mouse movement and nobody will even notice it--until they try to steal it. -Rob --- Gavin Chester wrote: > On Wed, 2005-05-11 at 10:41 +0000, Martin Woolley > wrote: > > -big snip- > > > problem with that client (eg a mouse is stolen ... > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > Among the interesting load balancing stuff you > dropped this gem about > your mouse problems. That's some serious stuff - > I'd only heard about > kids taking the mouse's ball out before now :-( > > I don't know if it's an option for you to stop this > problem by investing > in some industrial trackballs that can be set into > the bench/desk top, > or ditto industrial trackpads. Alternatively, you > could look at a > keyboard combo that I use all the time, a Logitech > "New Touch" wherein > the ergonomic keyboard has a trackpad built into the > wrist rest. > Failing all of the above (on price or availability) > you might look into > getting some stand-alone track pads to replace the > mouse and have your > maintenance staff screw them to the desks. Just > some ideas that could > save you hassle and money in the long run. HTH. > > -- > Regards, > Gavin Chester > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html From veewee77 at alltel.net Wed May 11 12:19:56 2005 From: veewee77 at alltel.net (Doug Simpson) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 07:19:56 -0500 Subject: OT-hijacked. . .Re: [K12OSN] Solving the bandwidth bottleneck In-Reply-To: <1115790344.32011.15.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <002e01c5559b$60902b40$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> <42811988.3030900@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <428185A7.8050303@alltel.net> <1115790344.32011.15.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <4281F86C.808@alltel.net> More info. . . Les Mikesell wrote: >On Tue, 2005-05-10 at 23:10, Doug Simpson wrote: > > > >>So, how then do you get the ability to put public and private IP >>addresses on the same physical wire? >> >> > >Usually that is something you want to avoid. You can overlay >different subnet ranges on the same wire - it's ugly but it works. >What people are saying is a bad idea is to connect 2 nics from >the same machine onto that network. > > But unless you want to run two completely different networks (physical plant wiring) all over the campus, to 5 buildings and 150 rooms . . . > > >>For example, a Printer in the office has a JetDirect in it and is >>available on a public IP address, and connected to a small switch. >>Another port on that switch is connected to a workstation that gets it's >>IP address via DHCP (a private number). >> >> > >If you really want a public address on the printer, let something >route your private addresses there. > It has a public IP because our state-wide comouter network, used for student data dna administration, printe through local printers, and therefore, requires publicly available IP number (we have many of such units.) > > > >>From what I gather, it would be required to run individual cables for >>each IP range to every connection so that the public and private would >>always be separate. >> >> > >Usually you let the k12ltsp box act as a NAT router for the private >range on it's 'inside' NIC - and a server for the printers. > It does this, but both ranges are on the same set of wires. I will have to go examine and make sure that both NICs are on different switches, but they are on the same physical network, even if they are on separate switches. > > > >>Let's say the workstation mentioned above is set up to dual-boot, and >>get's it's IP when booted as a LTSP terminal from the DHCP on the >>private range NIC. >> >>But, this same workstation, when run in Winders, requires a public IP >>address. Then what do you do? Change the cable each time you want to >>use the other OS? Unhandy! Especially for users! >> >> > >Why does it need a public address? Unless it is acting as a server (in >which case you would probably leave it on all the time instead of dual >booting...) it should get along fine with a private address NATed >through the k12ltsp server. Or, if you have enough public addresses >to split into subnets, the 2nd k12ltsp NIC could be a public branch >and you could turn off NAT. > > The state-wide network requests that computers that access it for administration and student data have public IP numbers for troubleshooting efficiency. I do have some that are on private IPs and they work fine, too though. > > >>So far, having two NICs on the same switch hasn't seemed to adversely >>affect it . . . >> >> > >Aside from normally wanting the firewalling from the public/private >split, the main problem most people would have with your scheme is >that you are leaking private DHCP addresses onto all of the connected >networks. If you have static-assigned all of the public addresses >it won't matter, but it wouldn't work most places. > > > All of the public IP addresses are assigned, and nearly all of the private numbers are DHCP. There are a few, like lab servers and private printers that have private numbers assigned. This has been working seemingly flawlessly for 4 years, with over 700 computers connected. . . It may be wrong, but I don't have much trouble with it. . . It is nice because it don't matter what kind of device I am connecting, a public printer, private workstation, private server, private printer, LTSP terminal, public workstation, whatever, I can connect it and it just works, all on the same wire. . . Doug From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Wed May 11 13:32:20 2005 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 13:32:20 +0000 Subject: OT wandering mouse, was Re: [K12OSN] Adding another server as backup. In-Reply-To: <1115805567.4719.130.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20050506022201.1E434733E6@hormel.redhat.com> <200505111041.32125.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> <1115805567.4719.130.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200505111332.20463.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> On Wednesday 11 May 2005 09:59, Gavin Chester wrote: > On Wed, 2005-05-11 at 10:41 +0000, Martin Woolley wrote: > > -big snip- > > > problem with that client (eg a mouse is stolen ... > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > Among the interesting load balancing stuff you dropped this gem about > your mouse problems. That's some serious stuff - I'd only heard about > kids taking the mouse's ball out before now :-( With ball mice, we weld the bottom of the mouse up with a soldering iron so that they can't knick the ball. We also zip tie the mouse, keyboard, and video cables together. The mice they've been stealing are our new optical mice; these are not particularly brilliant (?6 each with a very thin PS/2 lead) but I'm guessing the students only have ball mice at home. What ever ball mouse they have will be much better quality than these opticals. What I did once propose (and it would make a nice project for DT) was to make a bunch of leads with PS/2 at one end and a 5 pin DIN socket at the other. The PS/2 goes into the client and the DIN socket is mounted to the bench top. At the start of the year, each student is issued with a mouse with a suitable 5 pin DIN plug on the end. They can then plug their mouse in and away they go. If they lose their mouse or vandalise it, we sell them another for ?25. Any mice left behind at the end of the lesson are gathered up and placed in the for sale stock. If they turn up for computer access and they haven't got a mouse, then they go away or we *might* rent them a mouse for some exorbitant fee. We sell floppy disks for 50p. We hire floppy disks for ?1 (and you don't get your pound back). Strangely we don't hire many :-) -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Wed May 11 13:32:26 2005 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 13:32:26 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Adding another server as backup. In-Reply-To: <1115802173.21952.2.camel@server.ltsp> References: <20050506022201.1E434733E6@hormel.redhat.com> <4281C70F.5090304@hosef.org> <1115802173.21952.2.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <200505111332.26555.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> On Wednesday 11 May 2005 09:02, Sudev Barar wrote: > How is the home directory served? By a different backbone on all > servers? Some via NIS/NFS some via Samba depending on the how long the student has been with us. For NIS, I've scattered the home directories evenly amongst the servers and each server has the /home directory of all the others mounted via NFS. Each server has a directory under /home which corresponds to each of the servers, thus we have /home/LISA, /home/BART, /home/MARGE, etc. Here is a 'df' for lisa /dev/hda3 3526204 214412 3132668 7% /usr/local 192.168.0.2:/home 59717280 10127936 46555872 18% /home/HOMER 192.168.0.3:/home 59717280 8552608 48131200 16% /home/MARGE 192.168.0.4:/home 59717280 8435520 48248288 15% /home/BART 192.168.0.9:/home 100932544 8421824 87383584 9% /home/MRBURNS 192.168.0.10:/home 59661024 4569632 52060736 9% /home/MAGGIE See how all of the /home directories for each of the other servers are mounted on 'lisa'. A similar configuration is in place on the other servers. Now on 'lisa' the /home/LISA directory contains a bunch on sym links to the home dirs that reside on lisa and similarly on the other servers. # ls -ld /home/LISA lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 Nov 2 2004 adnam04 -> /home/adnam04 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 Dec 8 13:37 alhog03 -> /home/alhog03 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 Nov 2 2004 alixm04 -> /home/alixm04 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 Nov 2 2004 almua04 -> /home/almua04 etc The final bit of the jigsaw is the password file. The YP server runs on lisa so each user is authenticated by that box. # tail /etc/passwd sanda04:x:720:100:Sandhu Aaron:/home/MAGGIE/sanda04:/bin/bash shara04:x:721:100:Sharif Aadam:/home/MRBURNS/shara04:/bin/bash sharp04:x:722:100:Sharma Pavan:/home/LISA/sharp04:/bin/bash verma04:x:723:100:Verma Akshay:/home/MARGE/verma04:/bin/bash shahi99:x:724:100:Shahan Imran:/home/LISA/shahi99:/bin/bash Notice that the home dirs are scattered across the servers. Thus no matter which host provides the user with a login, their home dir is still accessible. > Very interesting......Did I hear a collective gasp of all the load- > balancing scripting guys? I doubt it; our solution is not the most elegant and there are no doubt huge bottlenecks in the works. Access times are acceptable but not brilliant. Most of the students use the IT suites for web surfing (and playing games on the internet). I don't really care how slow their internet access is. Word processing (the other big load) is usable once the document is loaded. What I'd really like to see is a multi-processor setup and a huge raid farm for the home dirs; something like the Beowulf cluster might do the job. We have aquired an IBM RS/6000 SP/2 which will do exactly what I want. Now if only I can find the time to set the beasty up. -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From matthew.cooke at neale-wade.cambs.sch.uk Wed May 11 11:14:23 2005 From: matthew.cooke at neale-wade.cambs.sch.uk (Matthew Cooke) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 12:14:23 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP with MS DHCP Server Message-ID: <200505111129.j4BBTvGC058929@inty.neale-wade.cambs.sch.uk> Hello all, new to the list and the LTSP project. I have a spare desktop setup (2.0 GHz with 1.2 GB Ram) with the K12LTSP Fedora distro installed; I am testing this setup as an alternative to a Citrix environment. We have three rooms of 800 MHz machines that would otherwise be skip bound. We currently are a fully Windows 2000 site and wonder if anybody has any pointers to using Ms DHCP server with LTSP. I am wading through the documentation but human interaction is always much better. Kind Regards Matthew Cooke ********************************************************************** The information in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It may not necessarily represent the views and /or opinions of Neale-Wade Community College. It is intended solely for the addressees. Access to this e-mail by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Any unauthorised recipient should advise the sender immediately of the error in transmission. You may also report this email if you feel its content is inappropriate by forwarding it to mail.abuse at neale-wade.cambs.sch.uk where it will be carefully scrutinised and dealt with appropriately by an administrator. *********************************************************************** From jim at winonacotter.org Wed May 11 13:45:50 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 08:45:50 -0500 Subject: OT-hijacked. . .Re: [K12OSN] Solving the bandwidth bottleneck In-Reply-To: <4281F86C.808@alltel.net> Message-ID: <001301c5562f$be2b7d60$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> I hear you Doug, if it ain't broke don't fix it. But typically in a situation like yours you would head off your massive network with one router and multiple IP's. Then offer only private internal IP's to all of your equipment on the private side of the router. If any device needs external access then you would NAT the external IP to the internal IP and allow the needed ports (this is also a good security measure). Then if you want to have multiple internal networks you have to my knowledge, and still follow rules, three options. 1. Have multiple internal interfaces on your router each assigned a different internal network (ie: eth0 192.168.0.x-255.255.255.0, eth1 192.168.1.x-255.255.255.0, eth2 10.0.x.x-255.255.0.0, etc). I for one prefer the 10.0.x.x-255.255.0.0 for an internal range is it gives you the option of 253 networks and about 65,000 clients. And then have each of those interfaces feed their own network segment completely independent of all other networks. However for you this requires extra wiring that it sounds like you don't have available. 2. Get a router that can handle VLANs. These are "virtual" lans. You will also need switches that can handle VLANs. With this type of setup you can decide what networks "trunk" down wiring room cross connects. And you can physically assigne each and every individual port its own network. You could have 3 offices from 8 different buildings look like they are wired on their own private lan. Since these are smart devices they know how to handle ARP, OSPF, broadcasts, whatever without getting confused. But these can be fairly high cost. 3. Subnetting. This should basically accomplish what you achieve with VLANs but with a lot more maintainance headache, number crunching, and not quite as clean. VLANs offer more managability and less network overhead. But if your on a budget this could be the best option. Everything has rules but as we all know from growing up breaking certain rules has more consequenses than others. Some networking rules are probably silly, but some prevent underlying problems that may not be visible without a lot of patience and a good network sniffer. Either way I am sure you won't change since what you have is working and a change would likely cause massive reconfiguration, time, and usually with that comes money. But just remember this doesn't exactly follow protocol and you may have/always had problems that you just don't know about. > >On Tue, 2005-05-10 at 23:10, Doug Simpson wrote: > > > > > > > >>So, how then do you get the ability to put public and private IP > >>addresses on the same physical wire? > >> > >> > > > >Usually that is something you want to avoid. You can > overlay different > >subnet ranges on the same wire - it's ugly but it works. What people > >are saying is a bad idea is to connect 2 nics from the same machine > >onto that network. > > > > > But unless you want to run two completely different networks > (physical > plant wiring) all over the campus, to 5 buildings and 150 rooms . . . > > > > > > >>For example, a Printer in the office has a JetDirect in it and is > >>available on a public IP address, and connected to a small switch. > >>Another port on that switch is connected to a workstation > that gets it's > >>IP address via DHCP (a private number). > >> > >> > > > >If you really want a public address on the printer, let > something route > >your private addresses there. > > > It has a public IP because our state-wide comouter network, used for > student data dna administration, printe through local printers, and > therefore, requires publicly available IP number (we have > many of such > units.) > > > > > > > > >>From what I gather, it would be required to run individual > cables for > >>each IP range to every connection so that the public and > private would > >>always be separate. > >> > >> > > > >Usually you let the k12ltsp box act as a NAT router for the private > >range on it's 'inside' NIC - and a server for the printers. > > > It does this, but both ranges are on the same set of wires. > I will have > to go examine and make sure that both NICs are on different switches, > but they are on the same physical network, even if they are > on separate > switches. > > > > > > > > >>Let's say the workstation mentioned above is set up to > dual-boot, and > >>get's it's IP when booted as a LTSP terminal from the DHCP on the > >>private range NIC. > >> > >>But, this same workstation, when run in Winders, requires a > public IP > >>address. Then what do you do? Change the cable each time > you want to > >>use the other OS? Unhandy! Especially for users! > >> > >> > > > >Why does it need a public address? Unless it is acting as a > server (in > >which case you would probably leave it on all the time > instead of dual > >booting...) it should get along fine with a private address NATed > >through the k12ltsp server. Or, if you have enough public > addresses to > >split into subnets, the 2nd k12ltsp NIC could be a public branch and > >you could turn off NAT. > > > > > The state-wide network requests that computers that access it for > administration and student data have public IP numbers for > troubleshooting efficiency. I do have some that are on > private IPs and > they work fine, too though. > > > > > > >>So far, having two NICs on the same switch hasn't seemed to > adversely > >>affect it . . . > >> > >> > > > >Aside from normally wanting the firewalling from the public/private > >split, the main problem most people would have with your > scheme is that > >you are leaking private DHCP addresses onto all of the connected > >networks. If you have static-assigned all of the public > addresses it > >won't matter, but it wouldn't work most places. > > > > > > > All of the public IP addresses are assigned, and nearly all of the > private numbers are DHCP. There are a few, like lab servers > and private > printers that have private numbers assigned. > > This has been working seemingly flawlessly for 4 years, with over 700 > computers connected. . . It may be wrong, but I don't have > much trouble > with it. . . > > It is nice because it don't matter what kind of device I am > connecting, > a public printer, private workstation, private server, > private printer, > LTSP terminal, public workstation, whatever, I can connect it and it > just works, all on the same wire. . . > > Doug > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Wed May 11 14:09:32 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 09:09:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Adding another server as backup. In-Reply-To: <20050511104456.66187.qmail@web41605.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001601c55633$0def3af0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > What happens if you throw another DHCP server in there > that doesn't hand out kernels? By what you're saying > it sounds like it would not cause any conflicts, and > that each ltsp client would still be able to get a > kernel because only ltsp servers (and not the plain > DHCP server) would respond to the kernel request. Is > that right? If so, it sounds like the port 1067 > option is not necessary for integrating ltsp into a > network with a pre-existing, untouchable DHCP server. I was thinking that you at least had to have the next-server directive in dhcpd.conf to let the client know where to go next for a kernel. I think I tried it before without and things got stupid. But I try so many things I barely remember I had Pop-Tarts and Mountain Dew for breakfast :-) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From hick518 at yahoo.com Wed May 11 14:08:46 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 07:08:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP with MS DHCP Server In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050511140846.88257.qmail@web41628.mail.yahoo.com> I think the current recommeded method, if you can't get rid of the MS dhcp server, is to configure K12LTSP to use dhcp on port 1067 so that it does not conflict with the MS dhcp server. Then you make boot floppies from www.rom-o-matic.com and do the custom configuration, and check off "ALTERNATE_DHCP_PORTS_1067_1068" I ran it like this at home for a while. The only problem I don't know how to handle is what to do about pxe-booting. I don't know if you can tell a pxe-bootable machine to look for an alternate port. -Rob --- Matthew Cooke wrote: > Hello all, new to the list and the LTSP project. > > I have a spare desktop setup (2.0 GHz with 1.2 GB > Ram) with the K12LTSP > Fedora distro installed; I am testing this setup as > an alternative to a > Citrix environment. We have three rooms of 800 MHz > machines that would > otherwise be skip bound. > > We currently are a fully Windows 2000 site and > wonder if anybody has any > pointers to using Ms DHCP server with LTSP. > > I am wading through the documentation but human > interaction is always much > better. > > > Kind Regards > > Matthew Cooke > > > > ********************************************************************** > The information in this e-mail is confidential and > may be legally privileged. It may not necessarily > represent the views and /or opinions of Neale-Wade > Community College. It is intended solely for the > addressees. 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Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html From jwiedenmeier at ucs.k12.wi.us Wed May 11 14:10:25 2005 From: jwiedenmeier at ucs.k12.wi.us (Joe Wiedenmeier) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 09:10:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Ubuntu and roaming profiles Message-ID: <1ee2b101b1890d7539ffaa5aa45aeb89@groupware.ucs.k12.wi.us> Hi Everyone, Have been using k12ltsp in my school since the beginning of the year. I have been impressed and it has done a wonderful job helping us maintain costs and keeping Tech Time to a minimum. I'm one guy, network, phones, repair, budget etc for a 4 school 800 student system. Great work on the distro and this forum has been very helpful! I am exploring Ubuntu since it seems that I will need to get to know it. My question is: Is it possible to use roaming profiles by using NFS? With Fedora it is pretty easy, just say use NFS, create /Home directory and modify fstab to mount share. What is the procedure for Ubuntu? Thanks -- Joe Wiedenmeier Technology Coordinator Unified Catholic Schools 110 N Sawyer St Oshkosh, WI 54902 Voice: 920-426-3626 Cell: 920-252-0896 From hick518 at yahoo.com Wed May 11 14:10:52 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 07:10:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Adding another server as backup. In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050511141052.23242.qmail@web41626.mail.yahoo.com> eww, Mountain Dew for breakfast! Is it possible to add the "next-server" line to a Microsoft dhcp server? (I've never seen how they are set up). -Rob --- Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > What happens if you throw another DHCP server in > there > > that doesn't hand out kernels? By what you're > saying > > it sounds like it would not cause any conflicts, > and > > that each ltsp client would still be able to get a > > kernel because only ltsp servers (and not the > plain > > DHCP server) would respond to the kernel request. > Is > > that right? If so, it sounds like the port 1067 > > option is not necessary for integrating ltsp into > a > > network with a pre-existing, untouchable DHCP > server. > > I was thinking that you at least had to have the > next-server directive > in dhcpd.conf to let the client know where to go > next for a kernel. I > think I tried it before without and things got > stupid. But I try so > many things I barely remember I had Pop-Tarts and > Mountain Dew for > breakfast :-) > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail From jim at winonacotter.org Wed May 11 14:29:52 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 09:29:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP with MS DHCP Server In-Reply-To: <20050511140846.88257.qmail@web41628.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001701c55635$e4b5eaf0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > I think the current recommeded method, if you can't > get rid of the MS dhcp server, is to configure K12LTSP > to use dhcp on port 1067 so that it does not conflict > with the MS dhcp server. Then you make boot floppies > from www.rom-o-matic.com and do the custom > configuration, and check off > "ALTERNATE_DHCP_PORTS_1067_1068" > > I ran it like this at home for a while. The only > problem I don't know how to handle is what to do about > pxe-booting. I don't know if you can tell a pxe-bootable > machine to look for an alternate port. Here is a link from ltsp.org describing how to do what is recommended above: http://www.ltsp.org/contrib/parallel_dhcp.txt Here is another tutorial I found from a google search on how to set up your Win2000/2003 server to offer up Etherboot requests: http://diet-pc.sourceforge.net/windows/etherboot-w2k.html I know I saw a link within the last 2 weeks on the list that took you to a website that described about every possible combination under the sun for running ltsp and Windows together. Hopefully that will show up again, otherwise browse the archives from about 2-3 weeks ago. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From shahms at shahms.com Wed May 11 14:27:11 2005 From: shahms at shahms.com (Shahms King) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 07:27:11 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Ubuntu and roaming profiles In-Reply-To: <1ee2b101b1890d7539ffaa5aa45aeb89@groupware.ucs.k12.wi.us> References: <1ee2b101b1890d7539ffaa5aa45aeb89@groupware.ucs.k12.wi.us> Message-ID: <4282163F.2010406@shahms.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Joe Wiedenmeier wrote: | Hi Everyone, | | Have been using k12ltsp in my school since the beginning of the year. I have | been impressed and it has done a wonderful job helping us maintain costs and | keeping Tech Time to a minimum. I'm one guy, network, phones, repair, budget | etc for a 4 school 800 student system. Great work on the distro and this | forum has been very helpful! | | I am exploring Ubuntu since it seems that I will need to get to know it. My | question is: Is it possible to use roaming profiles by using NFS? With | Fedora it is pretty easy, just say use NFS, create /Home directory and | modify fstab to mount share. What is the procedure for Ubuntu? Thanks Should be identical. - -- Shahms E. King Multnomah ESD Public Key: http://shahms.mesd.k12.or.us/~sking/shahms.asc Fingerprint: 1612 054B CE92 8770 F1EA AB1B FEAB 3636 45B2 D75B -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCghY//qs2NkWy11sRAuw3AJ4oEFXVr+OjwMv8IZN/hasoU1zesQCfbDx7 z9+lw0S6ZpwkFFzJsgad1gc= =4Wu8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jim at winonacotter.org Wed May 11 14:49:35 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 09:49:35 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Ubuntu and roaming profiles In-Reply-To: <1ee2b101b1890d7539ffaa5aa45aeb89@groupware.ucs.k12.wi.us> Message-ID: <001801c55638$a5fb8a10$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > I am exploring Ubuntu since it seems that I will need to get > to know it. My question is: Is it possible to use roaming > profiles by using NFS? With Fedora it is pretty easy, just > say use NFS, create /Home directory and modify fstab to mount > share. What is the procedure for Ubuntu? Thanks I found this link for authenticating Ubuntu/Debian agaist LDAP: http://craige.mcwhirter.com.au/blog/archive/2005/01/17/making_a_debian_o r_ubuntu_mach -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From les at futuresource.com Wed May 11 14:45:02 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 09:45:02 -0500 Subject: OT-hijacked. . .Re: [K12OSN] Solving the bandwidth bottleneck In-Reply-To: <4281F86C.808@alltel.net> References: <002e01c5559b$60902b40$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> <42811988.3030900@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <428185A7.8050303@alltel.net> <1115790344.32011.15.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <4281F86C.808@alltel.net> Message-ID: <1115822702.863.28.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-05-11 at 07:19, Doug Simpson wrote: > > > >Usually that is something you want to avoid. You can overlay > >different subnet ranges on the same wire - it's ugly but it works. > >What people are saying is a bad idea is to connect 2 nics from > >the same machine onto that network. > > > > > But unless you want to run two completely different networks (physical > plant wiring) all over the campus, to 5 buildings and 150 rooms . . . With the k12ltsp 2-nic scheme, only the 'outside' NIC needs to be connected to the main backbone. Clients only connect to their local server's 'inside' nic. This works fine for dual-booted pc's as well, since the server acts as a NAT router for anything on the private side. > >If you really want a public address on the printer, let something > >route your private addresses there. > > > It has a public IP because our state-wide comouter network, used for > student data dna administration, printe through local printers, and > therefore, requires publicly available IP number (we have many of such > units.) Neither the k12ltsp server nor clients behind it on the private side would have any trouble reaching printers or anything else on the public net. > > > The state-wide network requests that computers that access it for > administration and student data have public IP numbers for > troubleshooting efficiency. I do have some that are on private IPs and > they work fine, too though. They would appear to come from the k12ltsp server if you let it NAT. In the case of thin clients, the program really would be running there. If you boot into a local OS with a private IP, you still appear to the rest of the world as the public IP of the k12ltsp server. However, there is nothing magic about using private IP's and NAT. If you have the public addresses to waste on dual-booting clients you could assign them via dhcp and do normal routing instead of NAT to the rest of the world. > > > All of the public IP addresses are assigned, and nearly all of the > private numbers are DHCP. There are a few, like lab servers and private > printers that have private numbers assigned. > > This has been working seemingly flawlessly for 4 years, with over 700 > computers connected. . . It may be wrong, but I don't have much trouble > with it. . . The only problem I would anticipate would be if you ever want to add a separate DHCP server on the public side. With overlaid subnets there is no way to distinguish which DHCP range any client should get. > It is nice because it don't matter what kind of device I am connecting, > a public printer, private workstation, private server, private printer, > LTSP terminal, public workstation, whatever, I can connect it and it > just works, all on the same wire. . . But you don't have much control over bandwidth on any of the network segments with this topology. If all of the switch interconnects are gigabit you might not need to care but you won't like it if you end up running more than 30 or so thin clients across one 100M connection. If you really only want a single network and have appropriate bandwidth, I'd switch the k12ltsp scheme to use a single nic and a public dhcp range. A compromise is to set up VLANs on your switches. This still requires enough bandwidth to carry everything on the switch trunk connections but you can set up what appear to be physically isolated subnets with only a single wire connecting the switches. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Wed May 11 14:56:37 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 09:56:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Adding another server as backup. In-Reply-To: <200505111041.32125.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> References: <20050506022201.1E434733E6@hormel.redhat.com> <200505110834.37502.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> <4281C70F.5090304@hosef.org> <200505111041.32125.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> Message-ID: <1115823397.863.39.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-05-11 at 05:41, Martin Woolley wrote: > How and why it all works is clearly related to the cleverness built into the > DHCP specification and to the time slice that each process gets from the Unix > kernel. I vaguely remember reading that is there are two or more DHCP > servers dishing out addresses in the same i/p range, they keep track of > addresses given out by the other servers so that no duplicates occur. I don't think I'd count on that. More likely they try to allocate at random but try to ping the address to be sure it is unused before giving it out. It would be safer to slice up the DHCP range and give each server a non-overlapping set. The servers should keep track of previously assigned addresses and the matching ethernet MAC address and try to give back the same IP to each client on the next request. The load balancing should be determined by which server responds first to the dhcp request. > What I > think happens is that when a client does a DHCP request (a DHCP Discover is > put on the wire), my guess is that the machine that happens to have dhcpd as > the active process serves an i/p address (puts a DCHP Offer on the wire). > The client responds with a DHCP Request and when the DHCP Acknowledge is > broadcast, other DHCP servers take a note of the i/p address and delete it > from the pool. Actually they all may answer with an offer of an IP address - the client takes the first one to reach it - or some clients (but not rebooted thin clients) may remember the address they used previously and prefer that. Your /var/log/messages files on the servers should show the conversations. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From hick518 at yahoo.com Wed May 11 15:05:15 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 08:05:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] standalone spyware / content filter -- need suggestions Message-ID: <20050511150515.83980.qmail@web41610.mail.yahoo.com> I've heard a few package names mentioned, like Dansguardian, but I was wondering if somebody could suggest the easiest one to use. The goal is mostly to stop spyware. It will be a standalone box that doesn't need to run any other apps. Perhaps there's even a distro out there that is specifically designed for this kind of thing, I don't know. Any help would be appreciated. I've never set one of these things up, so I'd prefer something that is 90% effective but intuitive to set up, over something that is 95% effective but difficult to configure. Thanks -Rob Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html From haysja at sages.us Wed May 11 15:09:52 2005 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 10:09:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] standalone spyware / content filter -- need suggestions In-Reply-To: <20050511150515.83980.qmail@web41610.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050511150515.83980.qmail@web41610.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42822040.8080401@sages.us> My suggestion would be IPCop and add Cop+. Several schools that I know of are using this and are very happy with it. The Cop+ addon will add DansGuardian. Easy to set up. Easy to manage. I rarely touch ours and it just plugs away doing its job. ClarkConnect is another alternative. Rob Owens wrote: >I've heard a few package names mentioned, like >Dansguardian, but I was wondering if somebody could >suggest the easiest one to use. The goal is mostly to >stop spyware. It will be a standalone box that >doesn't need to run any other apps. Perhaps there's >even a distro out there that is specifically designed >for this kind of thing, I don't know. Any help would >be appreciated. I've never set one of these things >up, so I'd prefer something that is 90% effective but >intuitive to set up, over something that is 95% >effective but difficult to configure. > >Thanks > >-Rob > > > >Yahoo! Mail >Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: >http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > -- -------------------------------------------------------- Jim Hays, Technology Coordinator Monticello CUSD#25 #2 Sage Drive Monticello, IL 61856 (217) 762-8511 ext 1208 haysja at sages.us -------------------------------------------------------- From cliebow at downeast.net Wed May 11 15:19:46 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 15:19:46 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP with MS DHCP Server Message-ID: <200505111734.j4BHYVG01671@downeast.net> bhaskar madas article on alternate dhcp is what i go by..available on ltsp.org..i think a google for it will bring it up..very good for alternateport and for windowes..chuck > I think the current recommeded method, if you can't > > get rid of the MS dhcp server, is to configure K12LTSP > > to use dhcp on port 1067 so that it does not conflict > > with the MS dhcp server. Then you make boot floppies > > from www.rom-o-matic.com and do the custom > > configuration, and check off > > "ALTERNATE_DHCP_PORTS_1067_1068" > > > > I ran it like this at home for a while. The only > > problem I don't know how to handle is what to do about > > pxe-booting. I don't know if you can tell a pxe-bootable > > machine to look for an alternate port. > > Here is a link from ltsp.org describing how to do what is recommended > above: > http://www.ltsp.org/contrib/parallel_dhcp.txt > > Here is another tutorial I found from a google search on how to set up > your Win2000/2003 server to offer up Etherboot requests: > http://diet-pc.sourceforge.net/windows/etherboot-w2k.html > > I know I saw a link within the last 2 weeks on the list that took you to > a website that described about every possible combination under the sun > for running ltsp and Windows together. Hopefully that will show up > again, otherwise browse the archives from about 2-3 weeks ago. > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From aust_txv at access-k12.org Wed May 11 15:17:32 2005 From: aust_txv at access-k12.org (aust_txv at access-k12.org) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 11:17:32 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] legousbtower driver In-Reply-To: <1115668738.4630.12.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <3413723326.1115810252@[10.2.57.153]> Hi, Did you get this working ? Try this... leave the USB tower unplugged until you login. Let us know. Love Mindstorm. Another neat robot program is MindRover from CogniToys. They have a lego mod that you build ( out of legos ) and you can simulate the robot in their program. Tom From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed May 11 15:55:22 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 08:55:22 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] First crack at an EL4-based version of K12LTSP Message-ID: <42822AEA.6010800@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> After three straight days of hacking, I have a mostly-functional version of K12LTSP based off of CentOS4. Beware that this is in no way ready for production use! A whole lot of work remains before it is production-ready. The "Add additional software" feature is mostly broken. There has been almost no testing done, so many other features are likely busted as well. I make no promises that this build will upgrade cleanly to the final version, if you decide to test it out assume that you will have to wipe your drive clean to install the final version. But it has been known to boot a terminal, at least once ;-) ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/EL/iso/ rsync -Pav eharrison.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/EL/iso/ . One of the remaining questions is what to call this thing. Right now it is K12LTSP EL4.2.1. That makes sense to me, since it is EL4 + K12LTSP 4.2.1. But is it too easy to confuse K12LTSP 4.2.1 and K12LTSP EL4.2.1 ? Any better ideas? -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From david at okgoodwill.org Wed May 11 16:02:54 2005 From: david at okgoodwill.org (David H. Barr) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 11:02:54 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] First crack at an EL4-based version of K12LTSP Message-ID: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E2821FBCF4@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> I would say K12LTSP4.2.1EL for this, K12LTSP4.2.1FC for the other, K12LTSP4.21.UB for Ubuntu, et cetera, ad infinitum, ad nauseum. -dhbarr. Around Wednesday, May 11, 2005 10:55 AM, Eric Harrison (mailto:eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us) wrote: > After three straight days of hacking, I have a mostly-functional > version > of K12LTSP based off of CentOS4. Beware that this is in no way ready > for > production use! A whole lot of work remains before it is > production-ready. > > The "Add additional software" feature is mostly broken. There has been > almost no testing done, so many other features are likely busted as > well. I make no promises that this build will upgrade cleanly to the > final version, if you decide to test it out assume that you will have > to > wipe your drive clean to install the final version. > > But it has been known to boot a terminal, at least once ;-) > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/EL/iso/ > rsync -Pav eharrison.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/EL/iso/ . > > > One of the remaining questions is what to call this thing. Right now > it > is K12LTSP EL4.2.1. That makes sense to me, since it is EL4 + K12LTSP > 4.2.1. But is it too easy to confuse K12LTSP 4.2.1 and K12LTSP > EL4.2.1 ? > Any better ideas? > > -Eric From hick518 at yahoo.com Wed May 11 16:00:33 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 09:00:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] standalone spyware / content filter -- need suggestions In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050511160033.33827.qmail@web41607.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks. Per your suggestion, I read up a bit on IPCop. It looks like it is a complete distribution, is that right? So it does not have to be installed "on top of" Fedora, or Debian, or whatever? My immediate need is for filtering spyware on a network that already has a firewall (and some custom configuration has already been done to allow certain services). IPCop says it's a firewall, so I guess I'll have to choose to use one or the other. Since this is the case, would I be better off running a plain linux install with no firewall and run Dansguardian? -Rob --- Jim Hays wrote: > My suggestion would be IPCop and add Cop+. Several > schools that I know > of are using this and are very happy with it. The > Cop+ addon will add > DansGuardian. > > Easy to set up. Easy to manage. I rarely touch > ours and it just plugs > away doing its job. > > ClarkConnect is another alternative. > > > > Rob Owens wrote: > > >I've heard a few package names mentioned, like > >Dansguardian, but I was wondering if somebody could > >suggest the easiest one to use. The goal is mostly > to > >stop spyware. It will be a standalone box that > >doesn't need to run any other apps. Perhaps > there's > >even a distro out there that is specifically > designed > >for this kind of thing, I don't know. Any help > would > >be appreciated. I've never set one of these things > >up, so I'd prefer something that is 90% effective > but > >intuitive to set up, over something that is 95% > >effective but difficult to configure. > > > >Thanks > > > >-Rob > > > > > > > >Yahoo! Mail > >Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the > tour: > >http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > > > > > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------- > Jim Hays, Technology Coordinator > Monticello CUSD#25 > #2 Sage Drive > Monticello, IL 61856 > (217) 762-8511 ext 1208 > haysja at sages.us > -------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html From petre at maltzen.net Wed May 11 16:46:08 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 11:46:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] standalone spyware / content filter -- need suggestions In-Reply-To: <20050511160033.33827.qmail@web41607.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050511160033.33827.qmail@web41607.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <428236D0.9040900@maltzen.net> You can have two firewalls with no problems. Matter of fact, it's recommended if you have a publicly-accessible server (web, mail, etc.). The 'space' between the two firewalls is called a DMZ (De-Militarized Zone), and that's where you place your public, internet-accessible servers. The idea is that the first firewall blocks out anyone trying to get in except for the traffic you want to allow, e.g., port 80 so people can get to your webserver. The second firewall, which presumably is set to block all inbound traffic, separates the DMZ-with-webserver from your internal network. That way, if your webserver is compromised, it doesn't make the rest of your internal network vulnerable. With that in mind, I'd go with the IPCop and Cop+ and just connect the red card to the 'inside' port of your existing firewall, and the green card to your internal network. HTH Petre Rob Owens wrote: > Thanks. > > Per your suggestion, I read up a bit on IPCop. It > looks like it is a complete distribution, is that > right? So it does not have to be installed "on top > of" Fedora, or Debian, or whatever? > > My immediate need is for filtering spyware on a > network that already has a firewall (and some custom > configuration has already been done to allow certain > services). IPCop says it's a firewall, so I guess > I'll have to choose to use one or the other. Since > this is the case, would I be better off running a > plain linux install with no firewall and run > Dansguardian? > > -Rob > > --- Jim Hays wrote: > >>My suggestion would be IPCop and add Cop+. Several >>schools that I know >>of are using this and are very happy with it. The >>Cop+ addon will add >>DansGuardian. >> >>Easy to set up. Easy to manage. I rarely touch >>ours and it just plugs >>away doing its job. >> >>ClarkConnect is another alternative. >> >> >> >>Rob Owens wrote: >> >> >>>I've heard a few package names mentioned, like >>>Dansguardian, but I was wondering if somebody could >>>suggest the easiest one to use. The goal is mostly >> >>to >> >>>stop spyware. It will be a standalone box that >>>doesn't need to run any other apps. Perhaps >> >>there's >> >>>even a distro out there that is specifically >> >>designed >> >>>for this kind of thing, I don't know. Any help >> >>would >> >>>be appreciated. I've never set one of these things >>>up, so I'd prefer something that is 90% effective >> >>but >> >>>intuitive to set up, over something that is 95% >>>effective but difficult to configure. >>> >>>Thanks >>> >>>-Rob >>> >>> >>> >>>Yahoo! Mail >>>Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the >> >>tour: >> >>>http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>-- >> > > -------------------------------------------------------- > >>Jim Hays, Technology Coordinator >>Monticello CUSD#25 >>#2 Sage Drive >>Monticello, IL 61856 >>(217) 762-8511 ext 1208 >>haysja at sages.us >> > > -------------------------------------------------------- > >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> > > > > Yahoo! Mail > Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: > http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jim at winonacotter.org Wed May 11 16:52:30 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 11:52:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] First crack at an EL4-based version of K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E2821FBCF4@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> Message-ID: <003301c55649$d23028a0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > I would say K12LTSP4.2.1EL for this, K12LTSP4.2.1FC for the > other, K12LTSP4.21.UB for Ubuntu, et cetera, ad infinitum, ad nauseum. That sounds like a good idea to me given the future path. It may give a standard that is less confusing. K12LTSP-4.2.1-FC3 K12LTSP-4.2.1-EL4 K12LTSP-4.2.1-UB5.01 Makes sense to me. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Wed May 11 17:01:08 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 12:01:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Adding another server as backup. In-Reply-To: <20050511141052.23242.qmail@web41626.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003501c5564b$069aee80$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Is it possible to add the "next-server" line to a > Microsoft dhcp server? (I've never seen how they are > set up). Here is a link where I found that it looks like Windows will handle the option. It is option #-14 and needs to be called in Named Policies. http://mvpmc.sourceforge.net/windows/mvpmc_windoze_howto.html#s5 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Wed May 11 17:08:39 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 12:08:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] standalone spyware / content filter -- need suggestions In-Reply-To: <428236D0.9040900@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <003601c5564c$13baa730$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > With that in mind, I'd go with the IPCop and Cop+ and just > connect the red card to the > 'inside' port of your existing firewall, and the green card > to your internal network. I'll second this. I have set this up in a few places now with the same configuration. It works great. IPCop also has the option for an Orange network which functions as a DMZ as well. So if you don't have a firewall in place already you can set Green to your internal private network and the Orange to your servers. The orange and green are kept separate from each other, you can't even administer the IPCop box from the orange network. You then also have the option to create Pinholes from the Orange to the Green network if needed. Pretty configurable. At my shop where my main servers for my business are housed I have a DSL provided by Qwest with their Firewall in place, this connects to my Red Interface of an IPCop box, then the Green network connects to a switch for my internal network for office and customer machines, and my Orange network connects to another switch for my Servers. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From hick518 at yahoo.com Wed May 11 16:52:56 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 09:52:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] standalone spyware / content filter -- need suggestions In-Reply-To: <428236D0.9040900@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <20050511165256.96650.qmail@web41622.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks Petre. One more question. How do IPCop and Dansguardian differ from squidguard? Looks like they might actually use squidguard. Do IPCop and Dansguardian simplify the implementation? Sorry for the dummy questions, but I'm googling as I'm posting, and I'm trying to find a quick solution that I can "just throw into the network" and a major spyware problem. This will be the first use of linux for this particular company, and hopefully it will help them "see the light". -Rob --- Petre Scheie wrote: > You can have two firewalls with no problems. Matter > of fact, it's recommended if you > have a publicly-accessible server (web, mail, etc.). > The 'space' between the two > firewalls is called a DMZ (De-Militarized Zone), and > that's where you place your public, > internet-accessible servers. The idea is that the > first firewall blocks out anyone > trying to get in except for the traffic you want to > allow, e.g., port 80 so people can > get to your webserver. The second firewall, which > presumably is set to block all > inbound traffic, separates the DMZ-with-webserver > from your internal network. That way, > if your webserver is compromised, it doesn't make > the rest of your internal network > vulnerable. > > With that in mind, I'd go with the IPCop and Cop+ > and just connect the red card to the > 'inside' port of your existing firewall, and the > green card to your internal network. > > HTH > > Petre > > Rob Owens wrote: > > Thanks. > > > > Per your suggestion, I read up a bit on IPCop. It > > looks like it is a complete distribution, is that > > right? So it does not have to be installed "on > top > > of" Fedora, or Debian, or whatever? > > > > My immediate need is for filtering spyware on a > > network that already has a firewall (and some > custom > > configuration has already been done to allow > certain > > services). IPCop says it's a firewall, so I guess > > I'll have to choose to use one or the other. > Since > > this is the case, would I be better off running a > > plain linux install with no firewall and run > > Dansguardian? > > > > -Rob > > > > --- Jim Hays wrote: > > > >>My suggestion would be IPCop and add Cop+. > Several > >>schools that I know > >>of are using this and are very happy with it. The > >>Cop+ addon will add > >>DansGuardian. > >> > >>Easy to set up. Easy to manage. I rarely touch > >>ours and it just plugs > >>away doing its job. > >> > >>ClarkConnect is another alternative. > >> > >> > >> > >>Rob Owens wrote: > >> > >> > >>>I've heard a few package names mentioned, like > >>>Dansguardian, but I was wondering if somebody > could > >>>suggest the easiest one to use. The goal is > mostly > >> > >>to > >> > >>>stop spyware. It will be a standalone box that > >>>doesn't need to run any other apps. Perhaps > >> > >>there's > >> > >>>even a distro out there that is specifically > >> > >>designed > >> > >>>for this kind of thing, I don't know. Any help > >> > >>would > >> > >>>be appreciated. I've never set one of these > things > >>>up, so I'd prefer something that is 90% effective > >> > >>but > >> > >>>intuitive to set up, over something that is 95% > >>>effective but difficult to configure. > >>> > >>>Thanks > >>> > >>>-Rob > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>Yahoo! Mail > >>>Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take > the > >> > >>tour: > >> > >>>http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>K12OSN mailing list > >>>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>>For more info see > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >>-- > >> > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > > >>Jim Hays, Technology Coordinator > >>Monticello CUSD#25 > >>#2 Sage Drive > >>Monticello, IL 61856 > >>(217) 762-8511 ext 1208 > >>haysja at sages.us > >> > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > > >>_______________________________________________ > >>K12OSN mailing list > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>For more info see > >> > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Mail > > Stay connected, organized, and protected. 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Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From robark at gmail.com Wed May 11 17:27:22 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 10:27:22 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenGL 3D hardware accel on clients Message-ID: In K12ltsp 4.1.1 I added X4_MODULE_01 = glx X4_MODULE_02 = dri to lts.conf but I don't know where to put Section "DRI" Group 0 Mode 0666 EndSection when I run glxgears on a client with an ATI Rage 128 (which has 3D accel in X) I get the message libGL error: XF86DRIAuthConnection failed but glxgears still runs but only gets around 70fps. I think it must be using MESA software accel. How do I enable hardware 3D accel. on clients that have capable video cards? Also interesting is when the glxgears is run on the client is eats 0.1% of cpu but if run on the server it eats 99% cpu. What's going here? -- Robert Arkiletian Eric Hamber Secondary C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From jam at mcquil.com Wed May 11 16:50:57 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 12:50:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] First crack at an EL4-based version of K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <003301c55649$d23028a0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <003301c55649$d23028a0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 11 May 2005, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > I would say K12LTSP4.2.1EL for this, K12LTSP4.2.1FC for the > > other, K12LTSP4.21.UB for Ubuntu, et cetera, ad infinitum, ad nauseum. > > That sounds like a good idea to me given the future path. It may give a > standard that is less confusing. > > K12LTSP-4.2.1-FC3 > K12LTSP-4.2.1-EL4 > K12LTSP-4.2.1-UB5.01 I'm thinking there won't be a K12LTSP-4.2.1-UB.... it will instead be called 'Edubuntu' Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org > > Makes sense to me. > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From webmaster at vol.org Wed May 11 17:45:42 2005 From: webmaster at vol.org (george kocke) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 12:45:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] standalone spyware / content filter -- need suggestions In-Reply-To: <20050511165256.96650.qmail@web41622.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050511165256.96650.qmail@web41622.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1115833541.30273.20.camel@tardis.london.volnet> On Wed, 2005-05-11 at 11:52, Rob Owens wrote: > One more question. How do IPCop and Dansguardian > differ from squidguard? Looks like they might > actually use squidguard. Do IPCop and Dansguardian > simplify the implementation? IPCop is a firewall. Squid is a cache engine. SquidGuard is a redirector for Squid. It will redirect requests for certain URLs to another desired location. For example, I use it to redirect attempts to access search engines to Google. If someone on my networks tries to go to search.yahoo.com, they're automatically redirected to google.com. DansGuardian is a content filter that uses Squid to fetch objects from the web. It filters based on domain name, URL regexes and page content. I have a standalone IPCop machine and another machine running Squid, SquidGuard and DansGuardian. The kids at my school hate this machine. -- george kocke http://www.vol.org ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ From webmaster at vol.org Wed May 11 17:49:44 2005 From: webmaster at vol.org (george kocke) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 12:49:44 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] standalone spyware / content filter -- need suggestions In-Reply-To: <20050511165256.96650.qmail@web41622.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050511165256.96650.qmail@web41622.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1115833784.30273.25.camel@tardis.london.volnet> On Wed, 2005-05-11 at 11:52, Rob Owens wrote: > One more question. How do IPCop and Dansguardian > differ from squidguard? I forgot to mention that DansGuardian also filters based on MIME type and file extensions. I use it to block students from downloading nearly everything. In addition, it can use IDENT to do interesting things such as logging and excluding teachers from blocks based on usernames. -- george kocke http://www.vol.org ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ From dhuckaby at paasda.org Wed May 11 18:00:27 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 11:00:27 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] standalone spyware / content filter -- need suggestions In-Reply-To: <1115833784.30273.25.camel@tardis.london.volnet> References: <20050511165256.96650.qmail@web41622.mail.yahoo.com> <1115833784.30273.25.camel@tardis.london.volnet> Message-ID: <4282483B.6060500@paasda.org> DansGuardian also has great power in weighted phrase lists... so "dirty rotten sex" would be filtered but "sex education classes" would likely pass if you have words weighted appropriately...mind-you a fairly time-consuming task for the admin and takes a bit of tweaking to get it just right... We were having issues with kids playing internet games all the time and hording the computers for such activities...so I blocked the word 'game' and was the most hated person on the planet for a period of 3 months =) Also blocking staff isn't a bad idea for those staff who allow students open access to their computers, that end up taking 20% of your support time because "something happened" and everytime they open up their browser it goes to a porn site...and "they didn't do anything" --Huck george kocke wrote: > On Wed, 2005-05-11 at 11:52, Rob Owens wrote: > > >>One more question. How do IPCop and Dansguardian >>differ from squidguard? > > > I forgot to mention that DansGuardian also filters based on MIME type > and file extensions. I use it to block students from downloading nearly > everything. > > In addition, it can use IDENT to do interesting things such as logging > and excluding teachers from blocks based on usernames. > From jim at winonacotter.org Wed May 11 16:54:57 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 11:54:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP with MS DHCP Server In-Reply-To: <200505111734.j4BHYVG01671@downeast.net> Message-ID: <003401c5564a$29cc4a30$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > bhaskar madas article on alternate dhcp is what i go > by..available on ltsp.org..i think a google for it will bring > it up..very good for alternateport and for windowes..chuck Yep. That is the one I listed below. Never used it but I'd take Chuck's word that it works well. > > Here is a link from ltsp.org describing how to do what is recommended above: > > http://www.ltsp.org/contrib/parallel_dhcp.txt -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From johnny at msad41.us Wed May 11 18:58:48 2005 From: johnny at msad41.us (John T. Leonard) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 14:58:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Jammin 125 no loading Message-ID: <1115837928.428255e895490@www.msad41.us> I just upgraded to the newest release of K12LTSP and now my Jammin 125 won't load up...it stalls at an X error which basically says that it can't find the module 'geode' and returns a "Fatal server error", "no screens found".........can someone point me to a fix? It always worked great on the earlier releases (4.0 and earlier at least)....tia..John John T. Leonard Technology Coordinator MSAD No. 41 Penquis Valley HS/MS 48 Penquis Drive Milo, Maine 04463 Ph:207-943-7346 Ext.211 Ph:207-943-5332 Fax:207-943-0962 From jam at mcquil.com Wed May 11 19:55:43 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 15:55:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Jammin 125 no loading In-Reply-To: <1115837928.428255e895490@www.msad41.us> References: <1115837928.428255e895490@www.msad41.us> Message-ID: John, In lts.conf, try setting: XSERVER = nsc OR: XSERVER = vesa The 'geode' driver isn't part of X.org, so that's why it's not found. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Wed, 11 May 2005, John T. Leonard wrote: > I just upgraded to the newest release of K12LTSP and now my Jammin 125 won't > load up...it stalls at an X error which basically says that it can't find the > module 'geode' and returns a "Fatal server error", "no screens > found".........can someone point me to a fix? It always worked great on the > earlier releases (4.0 and earlier at least)....tia..John > > John T. Leonard > Technology Coordinator > MSAD No. 41 > Penquis Valley HS/MS > 48 Penquis Drive > Milo, Maine 04463 > Ph:207-943-7346 Ext.211 > Ph:207-943-5332 > Fax:207-943-0962 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From xwraithanx at gmail.com Wed May 11 20:22:32 2005 From: xwraithanx at gmail.com (Chris McDonald) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 13:22:32 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Wine and MegaMUD In-Reply-To: <4280F23F.8080502@paasda.org> References: <7822ca0d050506102137a3ebe4@mail.gmail.com> <427BCC2C.30309@paasda.org> <7822ca0d05050921005c248634@mail.gmail.com> <4280F23F.8080502@paasda.org> Message-ID: <7822ca0d05051113221d8674e2@mail.gmail.com> Hmm, is that like ProMUD? I have that, it is a linux based scripting program but I can't get it to run paths or anything which is the major reason I wanted MegaMUD. I can work with the whole editing files for config, I grew up using MUDWalk a dos based scripting program. I will test them out when I have time this weekend, homework/theatre won't let me get away till atleast saturday so plan on hearing back from me. Thanks Chris On 5/10/05, Huck wrote: > > Ahh... > tintin++ and tinyfugue are both commandline based mud-clients... > both with scripting and regexp built in...triggers and all that jazz. > zmud also has all those features and more with built in mapper and other > stuff... > > --Huck > > Chris McDonald wrote: > > Well, MegaMUD allows me to script in the game I play MajorMUD. I have > > used ZMud on windows, if i recall right it just allows access to many > > muds. 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Leonard > Technology Coordinator > MSAD No. 41 > Penquis Valley HS/MS > 48 Penquis Drive > Milo, Maine 04463 > Ph:207-943-7346 Ext.211 > Ph:207-943-5332 > Fax:207-943-0962 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From johnny at msad41.us Wed May 11 23:15:10 2005 From: johnny at msad41.us (John T. Leonard) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 19:15:10 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Jammin 125 no loading In-Reply-To: References: <1115837928.428255e895490@www.msad41.us> Message-ID: <1115853310.428291fe92e6f@www.msad41.us> Quoting Jim McQuillan : > John, > > In lts.conf, try setting: > > XSERVER = nsc > > OR: > > XSERVER = vesa Thank you Jim...the 'nsc' entry did the trick...John John T. Leonard Technology Coordinator MSAD No. 41 Penquis Valley HS/MS 48 Penquis Drive Milo, Maine 04463 Ph:207-943-7346 Ext.211 Ph:207-943-5332 Fax:207-943-0962 From johnny at msad41.us Wed May 11 23:22:12 2005 From: johnny at msad41.us (John T. Leonard) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 19:22:12 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT-Jammin 125 no loading In-Reply-To: <200505112340.j4BNe3G11722@downeast.net> References: <200505112340.j4BNe3G11722@downeast.net> Message-ID: <1115853732.428293a469294@www.msad41.us> Quoting cliebow at downeast.net: > John: what ibm model are you using besides the jammi??i think i got a pile > of em to try..chuck Hey Chuck...type 8364's....all the variants,NUS, EUS and TUS will work fine, except that you'll need to get a bootable card from DisklessWorkstations for the token ring models (TUS).....I used the Linksys for ours...yell if you need any help....John John T. Leonard Technology Coordinator MSAD No. 41 Penquis Valley HS/MS 48 Penquis Drive Milo, Maine 04463 Ph:207-943-7346 Ext.211 Ph:207-943-5332 Fax:207-943-0962 From dwblue02 at yahoo.com Wed May 11 23:29:50 2005 From: dwblue02 at yahoo.com (David Whitmer) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 16:29:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] standalone spyware / content filter -- need suggestions In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050511232951.25421.qmail@web31608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > One more question. How do IPCop and Dansguardian > differ from squidguard? Looks like they might > actually use squidguard. Do IPCop and Dansguardian > simplify the implementation? > I'd suggest you also check out CensorNet (www.censornet.com). It internally runs Squid and Dansguardian, and provides a nice web interface for managing its filtering & blocking rules. We've been using it at our school and have been really pleased with it. David Whitmer __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail From dan at shyne.org Thu May 12 01:18:27 2005 From: dan at shyne.org (Dan Shyne) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 21:18:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: K12ltsp - AD In-Reply-To: <20050511144438.F3C0D7331E@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200505120121.j4C1Lxi9032391@mx1.redhat.com> Dan, Thanks for the info, I'll check it out! Dan Shyne ________________________________________ Computer Network Manager CCNA, CCAI Enlarged City School District of Troy, NY Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 19:20:24 -0700 From: Dan Young Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12ltsp - AD To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Message-ID: <42816BE8.1040502 at parkrose.k12.or.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1250; format=flowed Dan Shyne wrote: > Will the clients of K12LTSP authentic against Active directory so, that if I > decide to implement it, we can achieve the much desired grace of a single > sign on? You should investigate the winbind functions of samba: HYPERLINK "http://us2.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/winbind.html"htt p://us2.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/winbind.html "winbind is a component of the Samba suite of programs that solves the unified logon problem. Winbind uses a UNIX implementation of Microsoft RPC calls, Pluggable Authentication Modules, and the Name Service Switch to allow Windows NT domain users to appear and operate as UNIX users on a UNIX machine." -- Dan Young Parkrose School District _____ << ella for Spam Control >> has removed 186 Spam messages and set aside 0 Later for me You can use it too - and it's FREE! HYPERLINK "http://www.ellaforspam.com"www.ellaforspam.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.8 - Release Date: 5/10/2005 From cliebow at downeast.net Thu May 12 01:18:47 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 01:18:47 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] OT-Jammin 125 no loading Message-ID: <200505120333.j4C3XSG16669@downeast.net> cool: i build my own proms for my cards so i should be in good shape..so the things download a kernel just like any other pc..from what iread it sounded like id have to flash an eeprom or something..i still have the ppc thin client here of yours..chuck > Quoting cliebow at downeast.net: > > > John: what ibm model are you using besides the jammi??i think i got a pile > > of em to try..chuck > > Hey Chuck...type 8364's....all the variants,NUS, EUS and TUS will work fine, > except that you'll need to get a bootable card from DisklessWorkstations for the > token ring models (TUS).....I used the Linksys for ours...yell if you need any > help....John > > > John T. Leonard > Technology Coordinator > MSAD No. 41 > Penquis Valley HS/MS > 48 Penquis Drive > Milo, Maine 04463 > Ph:207-943-7346 Ext.211 > Ph:207-943-5332 > Fax:207-943-0962 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From cliebow at downeast.net Thu May 12 01:21:53 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 01:21:53 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] RE: K12ltsp - AD Message-ID: <200505120336.j4C3aYG17087@downeast.net> i can share my pam winbind configs if you need em..been authing to ad for three years now..in rh 8 9 rhel3 rhel4..chuck > Dan, > Thanks for the info, I'll check it out! > > Dan Shyne > ________________________________________ > Computer Network Manager CCNA, CCAI > Enlarged City School District of Troy, NY > > Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 19:20:24 -0700 > From: Dan Young > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] K12ltsp - AD > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Message-ID: <42816BE8.1040502 at parkrose.k12.or.us> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1250; format=flowed > > Dan Shyne wrote: > > Will the clients of K12LTSP authentic against Active directory so, that if > I > > decide to implement it, we can achieve the much desired grace of a single > > sign on? > > You should investigate the winbind functions of samba: > HYPERLINK > "http://us2.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/winbind.html"htt > p://us2.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/winbind.html > > "winbind is a component of the Samba suite of programs that solves the > unified logon problem. Winbind uses a UNIX implementation of Microsoft > RPC calls, Pluggable Authentication Modules, and the Name Service Switch > to allow Windows NT domain users to appear and operate as UNIX users on > a UNIX machine." > > -- > Dan Young > Parkrose School District > > > > _____ > > << ella for Spam Control >> has removed 186 Spam messages and set aside 0 > Later for me > You can use it too - and it's FREE! HYPERLINK > "http://www.ellaforspam.com"www.ellaforspam.com > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.8 - Release Date: 5/10/2005 > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From sudev at mantraonline.com Thu May 12 04:21:57 2005 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 09:51:57 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenGL 3D hardware accel on clients In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1115871717.8665.20.camel@server.ltsp> On Wed, 2005-05-11 at 10:27 -0700, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > to lts.conf but I don't know where to put > > Section "DRI" > Group 0 > Mode 0666 > EndSection > You need to put it in the X config file /etc/X11/xorg.conf However this is for all server. In case of a particular workstation I suspect you will have to make a copy of this file at /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/X11/xorg- wsnnn.conf and then point to this file in the lts.conf section of that workstation like: [wsnnn] XF86CONFIG_FILE = xorg-wsnnn.conf Another way would be to use X4_DRI in lts.conf DO share your final triumph on the list as I do not have such hardware to try and see the results. -- Sudev Barar -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From sudev at mantraonline.com Thu May 12 04:37:42 2005 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 10:07:42 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Adding another server as backup. In-Reply-To: <200505111332.26555.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> References: <20050506022201.1E434733E6@hormel.redhat.com> <4281C70F.5090304@hosef.org> <1115802173.21952.2.camel@server.ltsp> <200505111332.26555.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> Message-ID: <1115872662.8665.23.camel@server.ltsp> On Wed, 2005-05-11 at 13:32 +0000, Martin Woolley wrote: > On Wednesday 11 May 2005 09:02, Sudev Barar wrote: > > > How is the home directory served? By a different backbone on all > > servers? > > Some via NIS/NFS some via Samba depending on the how long the student has been > with us. For NIS, I've scattered the home directories evenly amongst the Thanks for sharing. Will try and revert once the current load if off my chest. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From robark at gmail.com Thu May 12 04:38:26 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 21:38:26 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] New FC3 server, how to export /home correctly? In-Reply-To: <001d01c5558b$6fd089c0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <20050510151635.79301.qmail@web52906.mail.yahoo.com> <001d01c5558b$6fd089c0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: On 5/10/05, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I just wonder what problems you will have in the future with adding or > removing users. Maybe someone out here has a suggestion to writing a > cron or how to use rsync to keep those files updating automagically > without you having to copy those files out to 5 servers everytime you > change/add/remove a user. I haven't done it yet but I just ran across this webmin module that should do it Jim. ================== Cluster Users and Groups http://www.webmin.com/download/modules/cluster-useradmin.wbm.gz Create, update and delete users and groups across multiple servers. Unlike NIS, each server has its own passwd and group files which are remotely updated by this module. ================== -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From genfil at gmail.com Thu May 12 05:02:13 2005 From: genfil at gmail.com (Genfil Villahermosa) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 13:02:13 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Realplayer Problem Message-ID: Need your help. I have installed Realplayer 10 Gold (the rpm version) as root so I can shared it with the thin clients. But when I played an mp3 on the thin client , i get the error message "Cannot open the audio device. Another application may be using it.". I check if theres another program but none. I reboot the server and played the mp3 again on Realplayer and stil get the same error. -- please visit http://www.dekititirsiasiradas.org From diego at pxes.org Thu May 12 05:44:49 2005 From: diego at pxes.org (Diego Torres Milano) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 02:44:49 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] PXES Universal Linux Thin Client 1.0 Released Message-ID: <1115876689.5835.113.camel@zebra> PXES 1.0 has been released providing a great number of enhancements such as kernel 2.6 support, USB flash memory hot plug, wireless network support, upgrades, CIFS and NTFS filesystem, local supermounted devices, sound, etc. (complete list: http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?release_id=325169 and http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?release_id=325667). There are PXES PREBUILT images ready go (LIVE CD, network bootable squash or NBI here: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=45684&package_id=38453&release_id=325667 and its documentation http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/pxes/PXES_PREBUILT_Images.pdf?download Enjoy. -- Diego Torres Milano PXES Universal Linux Thin Client http://pxes.sf.net From jon.spriggs at gmail.com Thu May 12 07:20:38 2005 From: jon.spriggs at gmail.com (Jon Spriggs) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 08:20:38 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: K12ltsp - AD In-Reply-To: <200505120336.j4C3aYG17087@downeast.net> References: <200505120336.j4C3aYG17087@downeast.net> Message-ID: <96df2e0b05051200208bf3bf3@mail.gmail.com> Yes please! On 5/12/05, cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > > i can share my pam winbind configs if you need em..been authing to ad for > three years now..in rh 8 9 rhel3 rhel4..chuck -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dwblue02 at yahoo.com Thu May 12 10:15:22 2005 From: dwblue02 at yahoo.com (David Whitmer) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 03:15:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: OT-hijacked. . .Re: [K12OSN] Solving the bandwidth bottleneck In-Reply-To: <001301c5562f$be2b7d60$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20050512101523.78233.qmail@web31612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'm still trying to wrap my head around the differences between setting up a VLAN vs. just using multiple subnets on the same physical network. Is the primary difference that with a true VLAN you'd be using higher-end switches that are smart enough to prevent traffic from different VLANs from colliding with each other? Is it possible to set up VLANs using consumer-grade network switches? David Whitmer Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html From ericbrown at mi-spot.com Thu May 12 11:32:48 2005 From: ericbrown at mi-spot.com (Eric Brown) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 06:32:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Realplayer Problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200505121122.j4CBMkN14938@www.mi-spot.com> Personally, I've never gotten Real Player to work either. I use XMMS, and it works great. You have to go out there and find a patch for XMMS to play MP3's though. Either that or convert them to ogg format. If there is something I'm missing, I'd like to know. There is the occasional video I can't watch on my thin clients. -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Genfil Villahermosa Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 12:02 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Realplayer Problem Need your help. I have installed Realplayer 10 Gold (the rpm version) as root so I can shared it with the thin clients. But when I played an mp3 on the thin client , i get the error message "Cannot open the audio device. Another application may be using it.". I check if theres another program but none. I reboot the server and played the mp3 again on Realplayer and stil get the same error. -- please visit http://www.dekititirsiasiradas.org _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Thu May 12 11:38:32 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 12:38:32 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] standalone spyware / content filter -- need suggestions In-Reply-To: <20050511232951.25421.qmail@web31608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050511232951.25421.qmail@web31608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42834038.1040708@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> David Whitmer wrote: >>One more question. How do IPCop and Dansguardian >>differ from squidguard? Looks like they might >>actually use squidguard. Do IPCop and Dansguardian >>simplify the implementation? >> > > > I'd suggest you also check out CensorNet > (www.censornet.com). It internally runs Squid and > Dansguardian, and provides a nice web interface for > managing its filtering & blocking rules. We've been > using it at our school and have been really pleased > with it. > > David Whitmer > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail Mobile > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > I second the use of Censornet, really happy with it at our College Brian Chivers --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From johnny at msad41.us Thu May 12 11:47:50 2005 From: johnny at msad41.us (John T. Leonard) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 07:47:50 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT-Jammin 125 no loading In-Reply-To: <200505120333.j4C3XSG16669@downeast.net> References: <200505120333.j4C3XSG16669@downeast.net> Message-ID: <1115898470.428342660b787@www.msad41.us> Quoting cliebow at downeast.net: > ..so the things download a kernel just like any other pc..from what iread it > sounded like id have to flash an eeprom or something..i still have the ppc > thin client here of yours..chuck > ...on the ones that you actually put a pci card into, you won't need to do anything...if you use the onboard (NUS,EUS models), you'll just need to go into the setup and tell it to boot DHCP instead RDP and set the bios option to Auto.....did you ever get a chance to try the ppc model? I haven't yet but will bring one to Gould Academy next month and see what can be done, if anything, with them...John John T. Leonard Technology Coordinator MSAD No. 41 Penquis Valley HS/MS 48 Penquis Drive Milo, Maine 04463 Ph:207-943-7346 Ext.211 Ph:207-943-5332 Fax:207-943-0962 From keith at gsps.wcape.school.za Thu May 12 12:47:28 2005 From: keith at gsps.wcape.school.za (keith) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 14:47:28 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Videos on thin clients In-Reply-To: <200505121122.j4CBMkN14938@www.mi-spot.com> References: Message-ID: <428350be.0c49.keith@gsps.wcape.school.za> > There is the occasional video I can't watch on my thin clients. Hi there, How would one watch videos on thin clients? We have a fedora core 2 - K12LTSP setup at our school in Cape Town. Videos would be amazing for our learners! We have 2G RAM on the server (3.2G machine with 2 X 180G Raid HDD). Keith Registered Linux User: No.340141 Tel 021-6860468 Cell: 0824606615 From les at futuresource.com Thu May 12 12:55:05 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 07:55:05 -0500 Subject: OT-hijacked. . .Re: [K12OSN] Solving the bandwidth bottleneck In-Reply-To: <20050512101523.78233.qmail@web31612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050512101523.78233.qmail@web31612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1115902504.6350.28.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2005-05-12 at 05:15, David Whitmer wrote: > I'm still trying to wrap my head around the > differences between setting up a VLAN vs. just using > multiple subnets on the same physical network. Conceptually, separate VLANs act like physically separate networks. An extra tag is added to each packet to identify it's VLAN and switches can either restrict access per port to a single VLAN or permit everything on ports configured as trunks. Some equipment (routers and computers) can be configured to connect to VLAN trunks and appear like they have as many separate interfaces as you have configured VLANS. You don't need this but it is a cheap way to make a small router appear to have as many interfaces as you have switch ports if you need to keep a lot of different things isolated or route among many unrelated subnets. > Is the primary difference that with a true VLAN you'd > be using higher-end switches that are smart enough to > prevent traffic from different VLANs from colliding > with each other? Is it possible to set up VLANs using > consumer-grade network switches? You need 'managed' switches which tend to cost at least twice as much as unmanaged, but most manufacturers make them - you don't need the super expensive Ciscos. In your case, though, I'm not sure I see any advantage of having a private side at all since you really don't want to isolate anything and the VLANs will end up sharing traffic on the same wire anyway. Why can't you convert the k12ltsp to a single NIC model, giving out a chunk of your public range in DHCP and pointing the default gateway to your real router? That way thin clients will still work from anywhere, you can add more k12ltsp servers and get some load-balancing as mentioned in some other recent posts, and you can use the same dhcp for boxes other than thin clients (having to do static configuration on laptops that are used is several places is painful). If you care about the IP assignment to identify specific machines, you can tie the DHCP address to the ethernet MAC address in the DHCP configuration. The only thing you'll lose is the 'full-auto' setup of the k12ltsp box since you'll have to tweak the dhcp config to do what you want and you have to be sure you have enough public addresses available. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jim at winonacotter.org Thu May 12 13:24:52 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 08:24:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Realplayer Problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000501c556f5$fb06cbb0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > I have installed Realplayer 10 Gold (the rpm version) as root > so I can shared it with the thin clients. But when I played > an mp3 on the thin client , i get the error message "Cannot > open the audio device. Another application may be using it.". > I check if theres another program but none. I reboot the > server and played the mp3 again on Realplayer and stil get > the same error. I still haven't figured out what is missing but on my home 4.2.1 setup I have very weird sound problems. I found that for RealPlayer10 if I use IceWM as the Window Manager sound plays fine, every other WM I get your error. If you find out what it is I am all ears. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From spowers at inlandlakes.org Thu May 12 13:52:01 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 09:52:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Videos on thin clients In-Reply-To: <428350be.0c49.keith@gsps.wcape.school.za> References: <428350be.0c49.keith@gsps.wcape.school.za> Message-ID: <42835F81.4030501@inlandlakes.org> keith wrote: > How would one watch videos on thin clients? We have a fedora core 2 - > K12LTSP setup at our school in Cape Town. I installed mplayer-plugin on our server -- and it has been wonderful. I'm sorry I dont' remember if I compiled it from source or what -- but I don't think it's included in the standard yum archives (although perhaps it should!) It's worth the effort, because it integrates perfectly with firefox. -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From cliebow at downeast.net Thu May 12 13:48:12 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 13:48:12 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] OT-Jammin 125 no loading Message-ID: <200505121602.j4CG2oC23620@downeast.net> i did play some with the ppc model without success,and being just one machine it fell way down on the priority list..i'd like to attack that again with these new netvistas.i assume these boot ob dhcp port 67..hopefullyi i can switch to etherboot nics and use port 1001/2 for that..I am sure i'll be back with more questions..Thanks chuck> Quoting cliebow at downeast.net: > > > ..so the things download a kernel just like any other pc..from what iread it > > sounded like id have to flash an eeprom or something..i still have the ppc > > thin client here of yours..chuck > > > ....on the ones that you actually put a pci card into, you won't need to do > anything...if you use the onboard (NUS,EUS models), you'll just need to go into > the setup and tell it to boot DHCP instead RDP and set the bios option to > Auto.....did you ever get a chance to try the ppc model? I haven't yet but will > bring one to Gould Academy next month and see what can be done, if anything, > with them...John > > John T. Leonard > Technology Coordinator > MSAD No. 41 > Penquis Valley HS/MS > 48 Penquis Drive > Milo, Maine 04463 > Ph:207-943-7346 Ext.211 > Ph:207-943-5332 > Fax:207-943-0962 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Thu May 12 14:22:18 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 10:22:18 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Server lock up Message-ID: <1115907737.6223.14.camel@anthony.stmarys-school.lan> Hello, One of our servers locked up hard today. I did an Internet search on the error. Badness in put_task_struct at kernel/fork.c:87 And low and behold the only references I could find pointed me right back here to k12ltsp. The thread https://listman.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2004-October/msg00167.html mentions switching to a different kernel. Not sure if I should pursue this further or just write it off as a fluke. -- John From swift at msad52.k12.me.us Thu May 12 14:40:21 2005 From: swift at msad52.k12.me.us (Randall Swift) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 10:40:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Imaging software Message-ID: I am curious as to what is out there for (and what people are using) for imaging software. I have nortons ghost but I am not happy with it. I am looking for a GPL solution that will allow me to do imaging across a network. Thanks Randy Swift Network Administrator Leavitt Area High School Turner, Maine 04282 (207)225-3533 swift at msad52.k12.me.us From david at okgoodwill.org Thu May 12 14:42:48 2005 From: david at okgoodwill.org (David H. Barr) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 09:42:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Imaging software Message-ID: <8883FBEA06AD6D4CB9C780772C08E2821FBCF6@goodwill1.goodwill.lan> g4u (ghost for unix) works well. g4l (ghost for linux) is to be avoided, as it allegedly inappropriately borrows code from g4u without proper attribution. UDPcast works well, I have heard -- I have no personal experience with it. Luck, -dhbarr. Around Thursday, May 12, 2005 9:40 AM, Randall Swift (mailto:swift at msad52.k12.me.us) wrote: > I am curious as to what is out there for (and what people are using) > for > imaging software. I have nortons ghost but I am not happy with it. I > am > looking for a GPL solution that will allow me to do imaging across a > network. Thanks From dgough at papcs.com Thu May 12 14:58:18 2005 From: dgough at papcs.com (Doug Gough) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 07:58:18 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Imaging software Message-ID: <88CE924D399D784FB06DA325F2CF4032DF3BCB@xms.papcs.com> Hi, I'm curious which version of Norton Ghost you have. We use the enterprise edition and are very happy with it. I'd be happy to give you a hand figuring it out, if that would help you. I know that you can find several open source ghost-like utilities on Sourceforge as well. Thanks, Doug Gough Computer Services Pacific Academy -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Randall Swift Sent: May 12, 2005 7:40 AM To: k12osn at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Imaging software I am curious as to what is out there for (and what people are using) for imaging software. I have nortons ghost but I am not happy with it. I am looking for a GPL solution that will allow me to do imaging across a network. Thanks Randy Swift Network Administrator Leavitt Area High School Turner, Maine 04282 (207)225-3533 swift at msad52.k12.me.us _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From cliebow at downeast.net Thu May 12 14:45:11 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 14:45:11 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Imaging software Message-ID: <200505121659.j4CGxnC04596@downeast.net> We just use dd to transfer images..I have had success with both Macintosh and windows images up to 40 gig.chuck > Hi, > > I'm curious which version of Norton Ghost you have. We use the > enterprise edition and are very happy with it. I'd be happy to give you > a hand figuring it out, if that would help you. I know that you can find > several open source ghost-like utilities on Sourceforge as well. > > Thanks, > > Doug Gough > Computer Services > Pacific Academy > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > Behalf Of Randall Swift > Sent: May 12, 2005 7:40 AM > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Subject: [K12OSN] Imaging software > > I am curious as to what is out there for (and what people are using) for > imaging software. I have nortons ghost but I am not happy with it. I am > looking for a GPL solution that will allow me to do imaging across a > network. Thanks > > Randy Swift > Network Administrator > Leavitt Area High School > Turner, Maine 04282 > (207)225-3533 > swift at msad52.k12.me.us > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From jobrien at meridian.wednet.edu Thu May 12 15:19:56 2005 From: jobrien at meridian.wednet.edu (Joe O'Brien) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 08:19:56 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Imaging software In-Reply-To: <200505121659.j4CGxnC04596@downeast.net> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20050512081956.0139fda8@mail.meridian.wednet.edu> Partimage on a systemrescuecd. http://www.partimage.org/ http://www.sysresccd.org/ --joe Meridian School District Bellingham WA At 02:45 PM 5/12/2005 GMT, you wrote: > >We just use dd to transfer images..I have had success with both Macintosh >and windows images up to 40 gig.chuck >> Hi, >> >> I'm curious which version of Norton Ghost you have. We use the >> enterprise edition and are very happy with it. I'd be happy to give you >> a hand figuring it out, if that would help you. I know that you can find >> several open source ghost-like utilities on Sourceforge as well. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Doug Gough >> Computer Services >> Pacific Academy >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On >> Behalf Of Randall Swift >> Sent: May 12, 2005 7:40 AM >> To: k12osn at redhat.com >> Subject: [K12OSN] Imaging software >> >> I am curious as to what is out there for (and what people are using) for >> imaging software. I have nortons ghost but I am not happy with it. I am >> looking for a GPL solution that will allow me to do imaging across a >> network. Thanks >> >> Randy Swift >> Network Administrator >> Leavitt Area High School >> Turner, Maine 04282 >> (207)225-3533 >> swift at msad52.k12.me.us > From jim at winonacotter.org Thu May 12 15:31:47 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 10:31:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Souce Geography Application Message-ID: <000601c55707$b5981e00$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> A few of our teachers have used World Geograph on OS9 here for the last 80 years. Next year we are banning the use of anything that doesn't run native in OS 10.4 for Mac and pushing to run Linux where possible. So I guess the main features that they use are simple geographical maps that they can export to an image file for inserting into presentations, and being able to get simple details on regions and cities like average climate, population, etc. Anyone have any suggestions, I hope to only be able to find alternatives for free in Linux. But I'll even take suggestions for apps under OS 10.4. Thanks Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From petre at maltzen.net Thu May 12 15:29:52 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 10:29:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Souce Geography Application In-Reply-To: <000601c55707$b5981e00$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000601c55707$b5981e00$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <42837670.2030809@maltzen.net> Not to backtrack or anything, but have you considered MacOnLinux, which can provide OS9, to allow those teachers to use World Geograph? Petre Jim Kronebusch wrote: > A few of our teachers have used World Geograph on OS9 here for the last > 80 years. Next year we are banning the use of anything that doesn't run > native in OS 10.4 for Mac and pushing to run Linux where possible. > > So I guess the main features that they use are simple geographical maps > that they can export to an image file for inserting into presentations, > and being able to get simple details on regions and cities like average > climate, population, etc. > > Anyone have any suggestions, I hope to only be able to find alternatives > for free in Linux. But I'll even take suggestions for apps under OS > 10.4. > > Thanks > > Jim Kronebusch > Cotter Tech Department > 507-453-5188 > jim at winonacotter.org > > From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu May 12 15:30:09 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 08:30:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Videos on thin clients In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050512153009.90484.qmail@web41609.mail.yahoo.com> I use mplayer. It needs to be configured to use the proper sound output (esd in my case) and I found that I needed to switch the video output to X11. -Rob --- keith wrote: > > There is the occasional video I can't watch on my > thin clients. > > Hi there, > How would one watch videos on thin clients? We have > a fedora core 2 - > K12LTSP setup at our school in Cape Town. > > Videos would be amazing for our learners! We have 2G > RAM on the > server (3.2G machine with 2 X 180G Raid HDD). > > Keith > Registered Linux User: No.340141 > Tel 021-6860468 > Cell: 0824606615 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Thu May 12 15:38:03 2005 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 08:38:03 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Server lock up In-Reply-To: <1115907737.6223.14.camel@anthony.stmarys-school.lan> References: <1115907737.6223.14.camel@anthony.stmarys-school.lan> Message-ID: <4283785B.9040201@parkrose.k12.or.us> John Baillie wrote: > One of our servers locked up hard today. I did an Internet search on the > error. > > Badness in put_task_struct at kernel/fork.c:87 > > And low and behold the only references I could find pointed me right > back here to k12ltsp. > > The thread > https://listman.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2004-October/msg00167.html > > mentions switching to a different kernel. > > Not sure if I should pursue this further or just write it off as a > fluke. What K12LTSP release and what kernel version? As you saw in the archived message (referring to the then recently released 2.6.8 under FC2), I just used a different kernel version on that particular hardware and all was well. If you're still on FC2/K12LTSP4.1, it looks like the last kernel release was 2.6.10-1.771. -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From jim at winonacotter.org Thu May 12 15:46:42 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 10:46:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Souce Geography Application In-Reply-To: <42837670.2030809@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <000701c55709$cb5f74c0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Not to backtrack or anything, but have you considered > MacOnLinux, which can provide OS9, > to allow those teachers to use World Geograph? Problem is people have trouble letting things go and updating. We are taking a hard stance this year at the high school to eliminate software from '88 and such. It is a nightmare trying to keep old software running smooth. I just want this stuff gone. Not to mention I want to get us out of the piracy business. Over the years stuff migrates all over and I want to know all software is bought or oss and all licenses are accounted for. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu May 12 15:53:12 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 08:53:12 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Souce Geography Application In-Reply-To: <000701c55709$cb5f74c0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <000701c55709$cb5f74c0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <42837BE8.4040009@paasda.org> Check this link out: http://worldwind.arc.nasa.gov/ very cool software from nasa...and it is open source... --Huck Jim Kronebusch wrote: >>Not to backtrack or anything, but have you considered >>MacOnLinux, which can provide OS9, >>to allow those teachers to use World Geograph? > > > Problem is people have trouble letting things go and updating. We are > taking a hard stance this year at the high school to eliminate software > from '88 and such. It is a nightmare trying to keep old software > running smooth. I just want this stuff gone. > > Not to mention I want to get us out of the piracy business. Over the > years stuff migrates all over and I want to know all software is bought > or oss and all licenses are accounted for. > > From jim at winonacotter.org Thu May 12 16:05:19 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 11:05:19 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Souce Geography Application In-Reply-To: <42837BE8.4040009@paasda.org> Message-ID: <000801c5570c$6538c310$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Check this link out: > > http://worldwind.arc.nasa.gov/ > > very cool software from nasa...and it is open source... > > --Huck It looks like it only runs on Widows but very cool indeed. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From efeldhusen at chartermi.net Thu May 12 16:00:17 2005 From: efeldhusen at chartermi.net (Eric Feldhusen) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 12:00:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Souce Geography Application In-Reply-To: <42837BE8.4040009@paasda.org> References: <000701c55709$cb5f74c0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> <42837BE8.4040009@paasda.org> Message-ID: <42837D91.2060907@chartermi.net> Worldwind is an impressive piece of software, especially the latest version, but wow, it eats bandwidth like nothing I've ever seen. Still, very cool. Eric Feldhusen Huck wrote: > Check this link out: > > http://worldwind.arc.nasa.gov/ > > very cool software from nasa...and it is open source... > > --Huck From robark at gmail.com Thu May 12 16:02:25 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 09:02:25 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenGL 3D hardware accel on clients In-Reply-To: <1115871717.8665.20.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1115871717.8665.20.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: On 5/11/05, Sudev Barar wrote: > Another way would be to use X4_DRI in lts.conf > DO share your final triumph on the list as I do not have such hardware > to try and see the results. How do you use X4_DRI in lts.conf? Also are any modifications needed to "build_x4_cfg" ? I need to get hardware 3D accel. in my clients for the drafting teacher at my school so we can go ahead with another k12ltsp lab. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu May 12 16:10:07 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 09:10:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] OpenGL 3D hardware accel on clients In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050512161008.82247.qmail@web41603.mail.yahoo.com> I'm curious, what drafting software are the classes using? -Rob --- Robert Arkiletian wrote: > I need to get hardware 3D accel. in my clients for > the drafting > teacher at my school so we can go ahead with > another k12ltsp lab. > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail From jim at winonacotter.org Thu May 12 16:18:14 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 11:18:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Open Souce Geography Application In-Reply-To: <42837D91.2060907@chartermi.net> Message-ID: <000901c5570e$32aec3c0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Worldwind is an impressive piece of software, especially the latest > version, but wow, it eats bandwidth like nothing I've ever > seen. Still, > very cool. > > Eric Feldhusen > > Huck wrote: > > Check this link out: > > > > http://worldwind.arc.nasa.gov/ > > > > very cool software from nasa...and it is open source... > > > > --Huck I do see there is a lot of talk about porting this to be cross platform compatible in the future. Some are suggesting using the Celestia Engine for a base. So the future is bright. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dhuckaby at paasda.org Thu May 12 16:22:30 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 09:22:30 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] TeacherTool Query/Request Message-ID: <428382C6.40004@paasda.org> When I run TT the window is not resizable..nor large enough to display all clients without using the scrollbar... Would it be possible for a future update/release to include resizability ? Or perhaps be dynamic based on how many clients are to be displayed? Just a wish =) --Huck From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Thu May 12 16:36:24 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 12:36:24 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Server lock up In-Reply-To: <20050512160038.8D0DA73C62@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050512160038.8D0DA73C62@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1115915783.6223.86.camel@anthony.stmarys-school.lan> Dan Young Wrote: > What K12LTSP release and what kernel version? As you saw in the archived > message (referring to the then recently released 2.6.8 under FC2), I > just used a different kernel version on that particular hardware and all > was well. If you're still on FC2/K12LTSP4.1, it looks like the last > kernel release was 2.6.10-1.771. > > -- > Dan Young > Parkrose School District Dan, We are using: K12LTSP release 4.1.1-1 (Slated to be updated to the latest over the summer) 2.6.8-1.521smp #1 SMP Mon Aug 16 09:25:06 EDT 2004 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux FWIW, this happened when 25 terminals were powered up simultaneously. -- John From robark at gmail.com Thu May 12 16:43:19 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 09:43:19 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenGL 3D hardware accel on clients In-Reply-To: <20050512161008.82247.qmail@web41603.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050512161008.82247.qmail@web41603.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 5/12/05, Rob Owens wrote: > I'm curious, what drafting software are the classes > using? I showed him Qcad 2.0.x and he loved it but he also wants 3D capabilies which he currently has in windows. So if we get another lab he intends on purchasing commercial 3D cad software. Maybe this one http://cadforlinux.com/ or one of these http://www.tech-edv.co.at/lunix/CADlinks.html He already has a full lab of stand alone (PIII 500 , 256M, ATI Rage 3D, Intel NICs) which have win98. So if I can find a way to enable hardware 3D we can justify another k12ltsp lab since we won't lose any functionality. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From casey.woods at gmail.com Thu May 12 16:43:15 2005 From: casey.woods at gmail.com (Casey Woods) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 10:43:15 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Multiple LTSP servers on a single subnet? Message-ID: <428387A3.2060207@gmail.com> I will have both students and staff using thin clients and they will all be on the same IP subnet. This subnet is dedicated to thin client traffic. I would like to connect two LTSP servers to the subnet and somehow control which server the clients connect to on a client by client basis (students to one server and staff to the other). I'm assuming that there is some way to do this with MAC addresses? Here's why I want to do this: I have a single gigabit fiber connection between two buildings. I want to consolidate all my LTSP servers in building A. The thin clients are in building B. Best case scenario would have me light up another fiber connection so that I can run two subnets. I have the extra fiber strands, but I'm try to avoid that added expense. I'm open to any and all ideas! Thanks, Casey Woods From robark at gmail.com Thu May 12 16:54:54 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 09:54:54 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] TeacherTool Query/Request In-Reply-To: <428382C6.40004@paasda.org> References: <428382C6.40004@paasda.org> Message-ID: On 5/12/05, Huck wrote: > When I run TT the window is not resizable..nor large enough to display > all clients without using the scrollbar... > > Would it be possible for a future update/release to include resizability > ? Or perhaps be dynamic based on how many clients are to be displayed? > I could try to port TeacherTool to C++/FLTK (stand alone binary/no dependency) I already have the interface made from a similar program I made but I won't have time to finish it until probably this summer. Depending on whether my school district accepts my proposal to hold a K12ltsp workshop. If they do, I will be very busy preparing for that. Resizing along with many other cool features would be possible. If you want to see what FLTK apps look like check out http://fltk.org/images/fltk-widgets-plastic.png -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us Thu May 12 17:01:55 2005 From: dan_young at parkrose.k12.or.us (Dan Young) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 10:01:55 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Server lock up In-Reply-To: <1115915783.6223.86.camel@anthony.stmarys-school.lan> References: <20050512160038.8D0DA73C62@hormel.redhat.com> <1115915783.6223.86.camel@anthony.stmarys-school.lan> Message-ID: <42838C03.8000608@parkrose.k12.or.us> John Baillie wrote: > Dan Young Wrote: >>What K12LTSP release and what kernel version? As you saw in the archived >>message (referring to the then recently released 2.6.8 under FC2), I >>just used a different kernel version on that particular hardware and all >>was well. If you're still on FC2/K12LTSP4.1, it looks like the last >>kernel release was 2.6.10-1.771. > > Dan, > > We are using: > > K12LTSP release 4.1.1-1 (Slated to be updated to the latest over the > summer) > > 2.6.8-1.521smp #1 SMP Mon Aug 16 09:25:06 EDT 2004 i686 i686 i386 > > GNU/Linux > > > FWIW, this happened when 25 terminals were powered up simultaneously. > Well, that sounds like the same kernel with which I had the "badness". I'd "yum update kernel-smp", reboot, and hope for the best. The changelog between 2.6.8 and 2.6.10 is fairly extensive. -- Dan Young Parkrose School District From les at futuresource.com Thu May 12 17:07:32 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 12:07:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Multiple LTSP servers on a single subnet? In-Reply-To: <428387A3.2060207@gmail.com> References: <428387A3.2060207@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1115917651.17883.14.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2005-05-12 at 11:43, Casey Woods wrote: > I will have both students and staff using thin clients and they will all > be on the same IP subnet. This subnet is dedicated to thin client > traffic. I would like to connect two LTSP servers to the subnet and > somehow control which server the clients connect to on a client by > client basis (students to one server and staff to the other). I'm > assuming that there is some way to do this with MAC addresses? I think you can do that if you configure the dhcp servers as non-authoritative and do not permit both to answer unknown MAC addresses but I've forgotten the details. The other simple-minded way would be to run the staff dhcp server on a different port and require custom boot floppies to access that server. > Here's why I want to do this: I have a single gigabit fiber connection > between two buildings. I want to consolidate all my LTSP servers in > building A. The thin clients are in building B. Best case scenario > would have me light up another fiber connection so that I can run two > subnets. I have the extra fiber strands, but I'm try to avoid that > added expense. > > I'm open to any and all ideas! If your fiber-capable switches have management/vlan capability you can easily make it look like you have two physical subnets with a single connection between switches. This would be the best approach if you are trying to isolate usage for security reasons. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Thu May 12 17:40:04 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 13:40:04 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Multiple LTSP servers on a single subnet? Message-ID: <1115919603.6223.136.camel@anthony.stmarys-school.lan> * Casey Woods Wrote: ________________________________________________________________________ I will have both students and staff using thin clients and they will all be on the same IP subnet. This subnet is dedicated to thin client traffic. I would like to connect two LTSP servers to the subnet and somehow control which server the clients connect to on a client by client basis (students to one server and staff to the other). I'm assuming that there is some way to do this with MAC addresses? Here's why I want to do this: I have a single gigabit fiber connection between two buildings. I want to consolidate all my LTSP servers in building A. The thin clients are in building B. Best case scenario would have me light up another fiber connection so that I can run two subnets. I have the extra fiber strands, but I'm try to avoid that added expense. I'm open to any and all ideas! Thanks, Casey Woods I have been closely watching all recent threads that apply to this topic. Our situation is similar except that we have 10/100 fiber from building to building. It would be more cost effective for me to add a server to each building along with less expensive switch like an (amer.com SR24G2) than to upgrade the backbone to gig. But that is just putting off the inevitable. Not sure what's the best way to go. My intent is to have terminals in all classrooms this fall. We're looking at a total of around 140 - 150 terminals with five servers this might be a little overkill but would allow for fail-over if all were on the same segment. Currently home is nfs mounted over a separate physical segment to the three k12 servers. Not sure if this was necessary but everything works well. Putting everything on one segment will be a major change and is a little intimidating but seems like the way to go especially if DHCP will distribute load as has been mentioned lately. -- John From jim at winonacotter.org Thu May 12 19:03:40 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 14:03:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Multiple LTSP servers on a single subnet? In-Reply-To: <1115917651.17883.14.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <000001c55725$4f7f0ca0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > > somehow control which server the clients connect to on a client by > > client basis (students to one server and staff to the other). I'm > > assuming that there is some way to do this with MAC addresses? > > I think you can do that if you configure the dhcp servers as > non-authoritative and do not permit both to answer unknown > MAC addresses but I've forgotten the details. The other > simple-minded way would be to run the staff dhcp server on a > different port and require custom boot floppies to access that server. The dhcp module in Webmin makes this fairly easy. I haven't messed with it much other than to block specific Mac addresses. But it looks like you can do all sorts of fun stuff in there. But in thinking while I type, won't you have far more student machines than staff? If so this wouldn't your server loads be unevenly distributed? Would you be better sharing /home between them maybe even in the manner of a previous post like /home/staff from server A mounted on A and B and /home/students from B mounted on A and B? The you could evenly distribute the load across servers. Thinking about the distribution, I have seen a lot of suggestions from the simple first come first served method to complex scripting ideas, but here is another. I have seen before that DNS is capable of round robin (here is my first google hit http://www.zytrax.com/books/dns/ch9/rr.html#order ). Couldn't an internal DNS simply be setup with Round Robin enabled, and then the configs from the LTSP servers setup by url instead of IP? I understand that this may not be possible with a conventional setup as in order to get and IP you first have to hit a dhcp server and the initial dhcp server will be the one to handle the rest of the requests. But what if tradition was broken and in a multiple ltsp server environment dhcp and tftp were disabled on all servers except the master. Then the master was configured with the next server option called out with a url and not a ip. With this theory all servers would get an IP from the master server along with a DNS entry that called out the internal server, and the next server directive would call on the other servers in round robin fashion. Is this plausable? Then you would still have the option to distribute NFS across multiple servers with the /home/machinename method or by using the master LTSP server as /home exported to the slaves. Ah hell as long as I am typing anyway, what is the possibility of adding a menu driven script on initial startup of ltsp to determine whether this will be a Master or a Slave server, then depending on the answer you would be given either the option to specify for Master what it is the master for (LDAP/NFS/TFTP/DHCP/etc), if one of these options it is not the master give an option for use server x instead. Then if you answered slave server get a menu allowing entry of either URL or IP of the master server in your network for each service. Then after going through this screen the proper scripts would run for mounting/exporting/authenticating/etc with the right information. Also allow this menu to be called on in the future to reassign/update settings. I am thinking similar to Authconfig under Fedora. If any of this is possible it may help in getting to the next phase of ltsp. I am seeing more and more questions on 30+ client networks, and it seems that in order to progress a system needs to be developed to make it easy (for dummies like me) to cluster servers to handle more clients. Okay I'm done :-) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Thu May 12 19:06:24 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 14:06:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] TeacherTool Query/Request In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000101c55725$b0d431b0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > I could try to port TeacherTool to C++/FLTK (stand alone binary/no > dependency) I already have the interface made from a similar > program I made but I won't have time to finish it until > probably this summer. Depending on whether my school district > accepts my proposal to hold a K12ltsp workshop. If they do, I > will be very busy preparing for that. Resizing along with > many other cool features would be possible. If you want to > see what FLTK apps look like check out > http://fltk.org/images/fltk-widgets-> plastic.png If that was the case, I am sure we would all be eagerly patient :-) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From trond at mahlum.biz Thu May 12 19:10:02 2005 From: trond at mahlum.biz (Trond =?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E6hlum?=) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 21:10:02 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Sound issues+ ATA raid trouble Message-ID: <1115925002.11178.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> I have some problems with sound and esd. Sound only works for the first person who logs into the terminal. The second login gets no sound at all. If person number two reboots the terminal, sound is ok, until Mr. Three comes along. Then there's no sound again until the terminal is rebooted. I haven't seen this before. Another thing, I have a new box. It's a HP DL330. It has an CSB6 ULTRA ATA Raid controller. Fedora Core3/K12LTSP4.2 can't find it during install. Kubuntu finds it, but Debian Sarge does not. HP has support for RH8 only for this controller, and I haven't found anything to help me install FC3 on this box. Any suggestions? Best Regards Trond Maehlum From casey.woods at gmail.com Thu May 12 19:32:29 2005 From: casey.woods at gmail.com (Casey Woods) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 13:32:29 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Multiple LTSP servers on a single subnet? In-Reply-To: <428387A3.2060207@gmail.com> References: <428387A3.2060207@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4283AF4D.2020801@gmail.com> Thanks for all the input! I'm in a fortunate situation in that I have Gigabit fiber connecting the buildings and I have spare strands if I need to add another few connections. I'm just trying not to because Gigabit media converters are expensive! I'm not sure why I didn't think of VLANs before. I don't think that I'm going to be hurting for bandwidth so I think that is the route that I will take. It will mean having to buy a couple of managed 10/100/1000 switches for each end of the fiber, but that is cheaper than adding more fiber connections. And probably more flexible in the long run. I'm not too concerned about saturating the fiber for now. So I'll setup a VLAN for the staff, and a VLAN for the students and then trunk them across the Gigabit fiber. On the other end I'll plug the VLAN ports into the appropriate LTSP servers. Seems easy enough. I'll do just about anything to avoid having to run between the schools. It gets real cold up here in Canada during the winter and it's not a short walk... This is actually part of a huge transition that we're doing. We're moving 220+ windows desktops over to thin clients this summer. Thanks again, Casey Woods Casey Woods wrote: > I will have both students and staff using thin clients and they will > all be on the same IP subnet. This subnet is dedicated to thin client > traffic. I would like to connect two LTSP servers to the subnet and > somehow control which server the clients connect to on a client by > client basis (students to one server and staff to the other). I'm > assuming that there is some way to do this with MAC addresses? > > Here's why I want to do this: I have a single gigabit fiber > connection between two buildings. I want to consolidate all my LTSP > servers in building A. The thin clients are in building B. Best case > scenario would have me light up another fiber connection so that I can > run two subnets. I have the extra fiber strands, but I'm try to avoid > that added expense. > > I'm open to any and all ideas! > > Thanks, > Casey Woods > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us Thu May 12 22:41:46 2005 From: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us (Mark Sarria) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 15:41:46 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Web protection and Proxy Message-ID: <200505122311.j4CNBcAT027578@mx3.redhat.com> Hello to all, I am working on my sandbox LDAP server running the k12ltsp version of Fedora. I am attempting to run squid and Dan's Guardian web filtering. Can anyone lead me or does any one have a simple tutorial that I may follow. I need a push to get me started. Once I learn the basics I can customize to meet my needs. Thanks for your help --mark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Thu May 12 23:19:57 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 16:19:57 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Web protection and Proxy In-Reply-To: <200505122311.j4CNBcAT027578@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200505122311.j4CNBcAT027578@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: > I am working on my sandbox LDAP server running the k12ltsp version of > Fedora. I am attempting to run squid and Dan's Guardian web filtering. Can > anyone lead me or does any one have a simple tutorial that I may follow. I > need a push to get me started. Once I learn the basics I can customize to > meet my needs. http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/WebFiltering Good place to start. Are you alone in the the LAUSD running k12? I'd love to see LAUSD get interested in K12... Ha! Steve -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.technologyrescue.com From mark at msdigitaldzines.com Thu May 12 23:51:29 2005 From: mark at msdigitaldzines.com (Msdigital) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 16:51:29 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Web protection and Proxy References: <200505122311.j4CNBcAT027578@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <001501c5574d$8642f300$6501a8c0@digital1> There are a few other schools running Linux, But not quite sure how many of them are using K12ltsp I am a Linux advocate and encourage my colleagues to give it a shoot. This was very easy for me to setup and get running. I had a SUSE Linux server, I am know switching them to k12ltsp, and implementing a few terminals in our labs. --mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Hargadon" To: ; "Support list for opensource software in schools." Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 4:19 PM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Web protection and Proxy > I am working on my sandbox LDAP server running the k12ltsp version of > Fedora. I am attempting to run squid and Dan's Guardian web filtering. Can > anyone lead me or does any one have a simple tutorial that I may follow. I > need a push to get me started. Once I learn the basics I can customize to > meet my needs. http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/WebFiltering Good place to start. Are you alone in the the LAUSD running k12? I'd love to see LAUSD get interested in K12... Ha! Steve -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.technologyrescue.com _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From mark at msdigitaldzines.com Thu May 12 23:58:38 2005 From: mark at msdigitaldzines.com (Msdigital) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 16:58:38 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Web protection and Proxy References: <200505122311.j4CNBcAT027578@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <001801c5574e$85fb4630$6501a8c0@digital1> Interesting, Just visited your site, How can I purchase one of those Firefox Kiosk Disc? also, how do you make a kiosk computer? That would be great for our school library. We have tons of old computers donated by the city. Would love to have a Kiosk in every room, for our on-line library card catalogue --mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Hargadon" To: ; "Support list for opensource software in schools." Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 4:19 PM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Web protection and Proxy > I am working on my sandbox LDAP server running the k12ltsp version of > Fedora. I am attempting to run squid and Dan's Guardian web filtering. Can > anyone lead me or does any one have a simple tutorial that I may follow. I > need a push to get me started. Once I learn the basics I can customize to > meet my needs. http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/WebFiltering Good place to start. Are you alone in the the LAUSD running k12? I'd love to see LAUSD get interested in K12... Ha! Steve -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.technologyrescue.com _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From veewee77 at alltel.net Fri May 13 02:26:18 2005 From: veewee77 at alltel.net (Doug Simpson) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 21:26:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Imaging software In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4284104A.2070500@alltel.net> Knoppix and rsync! Works for me! Doug Randall Swift wrote: >I am curious as to what is out there for (and what people are using) for >imaging software. I have nortons ghost but I am not happy with it. I am >looking for a GPL solution that will allow me to do imaging across a >network. Thanks > >Randy Swift >Network Administrator >Leavitt Area High School >Turner, Maine 04282 >(207)225-3533 >swift at msad52.k12.me.us > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From les at futuresource.com Fri May 13 03:56:16 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 22:56:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Videos on thin clients In-Reply-To: <42835F81.4030501@inlandlakes.org> References: <428350be.0c49.keith@gsps.wcape.school.za> <42835F81.4030501@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <1115956576.7567.13.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2005-05-12 at 08:52, Shawn Powers wrote: > keith wrote: > > How would one watch videos on thin clients? We have a fedora core 2 - > > K12LTSP setup at our school in Cape Town. > > I installed mplayer-plugin on our server -- and it has been wonderful. > I'm sorry I dont' remember if I compiled it from source or what -- but I > don't think it's included in the standard yum archives (although perhaps > it should!) > > It's worth the effort, because it integrates perfectly with firefox. Rpm.livna.org contains a repository of things that have some risk of violating patents in the US. If you follow the instructions at: http://rpm.livna.org/configuration.html you can use yum to install your choice of xine, mplayer, totem or videolan-client (for FC1/2). Only xine seems to be done for FC3 (and xmms-mp3). Repository contents: http://rpm.livna.org/fedora/ -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From sudev at mantraonline.com Fri May 13 04:06:17 2005 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 09:36:17 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] OpenGL 3D hardware accel on clients In-Reply-To: References: <1115871717.8665.20.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <1115957177.14558.9.camel@server.ltsp> On Thu, 2005-05-12 at 09:02 -0700, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > On 5/11/05, Sudev Barar wrote: > > Another way would be to use X4_DRI in lts.conf > > DO share your final triumph on the list as I do not have such hardware > > to try and see the results. > > How do you use X4_DRI in lts.conf? > Also are any modifications needed to "build_x4_cfg" ? > > I need to get hardware 3D accel. in my clients for the drafting > teacher at my school so we can go ahead with another k12ltsp lab. As I said I have not tested this or have the hardware to test. Look at /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf.readme for quite a bit of information. See my other post also. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From pnakashi at k12.hi.us Fri May 13 07:56:13 2005 From: pnakashi at k12.hi.us (Nakashima) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 21:56:13 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Firefox v. Mozilla Message-ID: <79FC1218-C384-11D9-88DD-000393C5DC16@k12.hi.us> Is there a difference in the way these apps work that would make one preferable over the other in a thin client environment? --Peter From keith at gsps.wcape.school.za Fri May 13 08:05:58 2005 From: keith at gsps.wcape.school.za (keith) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 10:05:58 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Web protection and Proxy - Mark In-Reply-To: <200505122311.j4CNBcAT027578@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <42846062.0359.keith@gsps.wcape.school.za> > I am working on my sandbox LDAP server running the k12ltsp version > of Fedora. I am attempting to run squid and Dan's Guardian web > filtering. > Can anyone lead me or does any one have a simple tutorial that I > may follow. I need a push to get me started. Once I learn the > basics I can customize to meet my needs. Hi Mark I teach at a school in Cape Town and we have 30 thin clients - Fedora Core - K12-LTSP and we successfully run Squid and Dansguardian. The person who helped me set it up - via e-mail was Barry - e-mail addy: barrulus at outies.co.za I am not up there yet technically but Barry was brilliant. I hope he doesn't mind me referring you. Keith Registered Linux User: No.340141 Tel 021-6860468 Cell: 0824606615 From ramonklown at pop.com.br Fri May 13 11:45:43 2005 From: ramonklown at pop.com.br (Ramon) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 08:45:43 -0300 (EST) Subject: [K12OSN] Firefox v. Mozilla In-Reply-To: <79FC1218-C384-11D9-88DD-000393C5DC16@k12.hi.us> References: <79FC1218-C384-11D9-88DD-000393C5DC16@k12.hi.us> Message-ID: <56608.200.159.149.201.1115984743.squirrel@popmail1.pop.com.br> Mozilla has more features, firefox is a "light" version and mozilla has been discontinued. I think firefox is the best option plus it contains the same tecnology as mozilla the gecko browser. > Is there a difference in the way these apps work that would make one > preferable over the other in a thin client environment? > --Peter > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From trond at mahlum.biz Fri May 13 11:55:15 2005 From: trond at mahlum.biz (Trond =?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E6hlum?=) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 13:55:15 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] RHEL/K12LTSP Message-ID: <1115985315.9101.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> After given up a FC3 install on my HP330, I have decided to go for a RHEL4 install, which detects the ATA Raid nicely. Is there a way to install the K12LTSP packages into this install, or do I have to go for a pure LTSP install from scratch? I always install apt on my RHEL4 boxes, since I'm used to that. I also use some mirrors from FC3 to install software. Is there such a apt repository that might do this for RHEL4? Best regards Trond Maehlum From sbetts at msad71.net Fri May 13 12:05:05 2005 From: sbetts at msad71.net (Sharon Betts) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 08:05:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Firefox v. Mozilla In-Reply-To: <56608.200.159.149.201.1115984743.squirrel@popmail1.pop.com.br> References: <56608.200.159.149.201.1115984743.squirrel@popmail1.pop.com.br> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Friday, May 13, 2005 at 7:45 AM +0000 wrote: >Mozilla has more features, firefox is a "light" version and mozilla has >been >discontinued. I think firefox is the best option plus it contains the same >tecnology as mozilla the gecko browser. Since Mozilla has been discontinued, do you know of any plans to replace "Composer"? Sharon From cliebow at downeast.net Fri May 13 11:52:54 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 11:52:54 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] john leonard-Jammin 125 no loading Message-ID: <200505131407.j4DE7Ps10938@downeast.net> John: these are type 8363..no chance to put a diff. ethernet card in..word on the street is it requires an elf type binary whatever that is..maybe it has something to do with cookies made in a treetrunk..chuck > Quoting cliebow at downeast.net: > > > John: what ibm model are you using besides the jammi??i think i got a pile > > of em to try..chuck > > Hey Chuck...type 8364's....all the variants,NUS, EUS and TUS will work fine, > except that you'll need to get a bootable card from DisklessWorkstations for the > token ring models (TUS).....I used the Linksys for ours...yell if you need any > help....John > > > John T. Leonard > Technology Coordinator > MSAD No. 41 > Penquis Valley HS/MS > 48 Penquis Drive > Milo, Maine 04463 > Ph:207-943-7346 Ext.211 > Ph:207-943-5332 > Fax:207-943-0962 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From bskahan at gmail.com Fri May 13 12:18:39 2005 From: bskahan at gmail.com (Brian Skahan) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 08:18:39 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Firefox v. Mozilla In-Reply-To: References: <56608.200.159.149.201.1115984743.squirrel@popmail1.pop.com.br> Message-ID: On 5/13/05, Sharon Betts wrote: > Since Mozilla has been discontinued, do you know of any plans to replace > "Composer"? Sharon, Take a look at Nvu a standalone gecko based WYSIWG editor. Its just about to have a 1.0 release. http://nvu.org iirc. -Brian -- Brian Skahan http://bskahan.etria.com From johnny at msad41.us Fri May 13 12:39:34 2005 From: johnny at msad41.us (John T. Leonard) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 08:39:34 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] john leonard-Jammin 125 no loading In-Reply-To: <200505131407.j4DE7Ps10938@downeast.net> References: <200505131407.j4DE7Ps10938@downeast.net> Message-ID: <1115987974.4284a0065ffa5@www.msad41.us> Quoting cliebow at downeast.net: > John: these are type 8363..no chance to put a diff. ethernet card in..word > on the street is it requires an elf type binary whatever that is..maybe it > has something to do with cookies made in a treetrunk..chuck LOL ;-) here's a page you might look at...I've never had an 8363 but if they are similare to the 8364, they'll have a password jumper on the mb near the on/off button...I jump that and power it for a few seconds and then take the jumper off...that lets me into the bios and under 'system' there is an option to make it boot dhcp and save it.....I'm interested to see how you make out...J John T. Leonard Technology Coordinator MSAD No. 41 Penquis Valley HS/MS 48 Penquis Drive Milo, Maine 04463 Ph:207-943-7346 Ext.211 Ph:207-943-5332 Fax:207-943-0962 From cliebow at downeast.net Fri May 13 13:18:33 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 13:18:33 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] john leonard-Jammin 125 no loading Message-ID: <200505131533.j4DFX3s26703@downeast.net> Yeah: the 8363 have a jumper..i got into the bios and switched everything to dhcp and also 6to tftp..so far still get boot file server protocol not specified..i looked via ethereal and all parameters in the ACK seem fine..still futzing with it..chuck> Quoting cliebow at downeast.net: > > > John: these are type 8363..no chance to put a diff. ethernet card in..word > > on the street is it requires an elf type binary whatever that is..maybe it > > has something to do with cookies made in a treetrunk..chuck > LOL ;-) > here's a page you might look at...I've never had an 8363 but if they are > similare to the 8364, they'll have a password jumper on the mb near the on/off > button...I jump that and power it for a few seconds and then take the jumper > off...that lets me into the bios and under 'system' there is an option to make > it boot dhcp and save it.....I'm interested to see how you make out...J > > John T. Leonard > Technology Coordinator > MSAD No. 41 > Penquis Valley HS/MS > 48 Penquis Drive > Milo, Maine 04463 > Ph:207-943-7346 Ext.211 > Ph:207-943-5332 > Fax:207-943-0962 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From petre at maltzen.net Fri May 13 13:42:50 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 08:42:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Firefox v. Mozilla In-Reply-To: References: <56608.200.159.149.201.1115984743.squirrel@popmail1.pop.com.br> Message-ID: <4284AEDA.70504@maltzen.net> Just a clarification: Mozilla is a suite containing a web browser, mail client, and HTML composer/editor. Some people decided that it's more efficient to break those pieces out into stand-alone apps, so people don't have to endure the overhead of pieces they don't want. Thus, we now have Firefox, Thunderbird, and Nvu, respectively. There is also Sunbird, which is a calendar program. They are all under the umbrella of the Mozilla Foundation, and they share code where relevant. The individual apps have proven to be popular enough that development on the Mozilla suite has discontinued. This is one of the beauties of OSS: The push to have a standalone web browser came from people outside the 'core' Mozilla developers, people who wanted a lighter, faster browser. So, they just took the Moz code and started what became the Firefox project. Lots of people don't particularly like MS's Internet Explorer, but only MS gets to take the code and create something different. Not a good principle for schools, I should think. Petre Brian Skahan wrote: > On 5/13/05, Sharon Betts wrote: > >>Since Mozilla has been discontinued, do you know of any plans to replace >>"Composer"? > > > Sharon, > > Take a look at Nvu a standalone gecko based WYSIWG editor. Its just > about to have a 1.0 release. > > http://nvu.org iirc. > > -Brian > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri May 13 13:53:47 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 06:53:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] RHEL/K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <1115985315.9101.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1115985315.9101.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Fri, 13 May 2005, Trond [ISO-8859-1] M?hlum wrote: > After given up a FC3 install on my HP330, I have decided to go for a > RHEL4 install, which detects the ATA Raid nicely. > > Is there a way to install the K12LTSP packages into this install, or do > I have to go for a pure LTSP install from scratch? > > I always install apt on my RHEL4 boxes, since I'm used to that. I also > use some mirrors from FC3 to install software. Is there such a apt > repository that might do this for RHEL4? I'm working on this right now. If I remember my apt syntax correctly, this should do the trick: rpm http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us apt/EL4 k12ltsp non-free os -Eric From gary.frederick at jsoft.com Fri May 13 14:06:04 2005 From: gary.frederick at jsoft.com (Gary Frederick) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 09:06:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] legousbtower driver In-Reply-To: <3413723326.1115810252@[10.2.57.153]> References: <3413723326.1115810252@[10.2.57.153]> Message-ID: <1115993164.6102.24.camel@server.ltsp> Howdy I got the leJos firmware to load and ran out of time. I hope to get more going before the workshop - but... I will report back - I just don't know when :-) Robots are a great way to teach kids. Anyone using Robocode? It's not as nice looking as MindRover, but Robocode recently went open source! http://robocode.sourceforge.net/ Gary On Wed, 2005-05-11 at 11:17 -0400, aust_txv at access-k12.org wrote: > Hi, > Did you get this working ? Try this... leave the USB tower unplugged until > you login. Let us know. Love Mindstorm. Another neat robot program is > MindRover from CogniToys. They have a lego mod that you build ( out of > legos ) and you can simulate the robot in their program. > Tom > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From trond at mahlum.biz Fri May 13 16:16:10 2005 From: trond at mahlum.biz (Trond =?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E6hlum?=) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 18:16:10 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] RHEL/K12LTSP In-Reply-To: References: <1115985315.9101.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1116000970.6893.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> fre, 13,.05.2005 kl. 06.53 -0700, skrev Eric Harrison: > On Fri, 13 May 2005, Trond [ISO-8859-1] Mhlum wrote: > > > After given up a FC3 install on my HP330, I have decided to go for a > > RHEL4 install, which detects the ATA Raid nicely. > > > > Is there a way to install the K12LTSP packages into this install, or do > > I have to go for a pure LTSP install from scratch? > > > > I always install apt on my RHEL4 boxes, since I'm used to that. I also > > use some mirrors from FC3 to install software. Is there such a apt > > repository that might do this for RHEL4? > > I'm working on this right now. If I remember my apt syntax correctly, > this should do the trick: > > rpm http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us apt/EL4 k12ltsp non-free os That looks right. Thank you. I'll try that. Trond > > -Eric > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From trond at mahlum.biz Fri May 13 16:20:50 2005 From: trond at mahlum.biz (Trond =?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E6hlum?=) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 18:20:50 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] RHEL/K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <1116000970.6893.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1115985315.9101.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1116000970.6893.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1116001250.6893.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> fre, 13,.05.2005 kl. 18.16 +0200, skrev Trond M?hlum: > fre, 13,.05.2005 kl. 06.53 -0700, skrev Eric Harrison: > > On Fri, 13 May 2005, Trond [ISO-8859-1] Mhlum wrote: > > > > > After given up a FC3 install on my HP330, I have decided to go for a > > > RHEL4 install, which detects the ATA Raid nicely. > > > > > > Is there a way to install the K12LTSP packages into this install, or do > > > I have to go for a pure LTSP install from scratch? > > > > > > I always install apt on my RHEL4 boxes, since I'm used to that. I also > > > use some mirrors from FC3 to install software. Is there such a apt > > > repository that might do this for RHEL4? > > > > I'm working on this right now. If I remember my apt syntax correctly, > > this should do the trick: > > > > rpm http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us apt/EL4 k12ltsp non-free os > > That looks right. Thank you. I'll try that. By the way... The iso's located here: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/EL/iso/ what are those? Trond > Trond > > > > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri May 13 16:21:22 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 09:21:22 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] RHEL/K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <1116000970.6893.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1115985315.9101.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1116000970.6893.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4284D402.9030603@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Trond M?hlum wrote: > fre, 13,.05.2005 kl. 06.53 -0700, skrev Eric Harrison: > >>On Fri, 13 May 2005, Trond [ISO-8859-1] Mhlum wrote: >> >> >>>After given up a FC3 install on my HP330, I have decided to go for a >>>RHEL4 install, which detects the ATA Raid nicely. >>> >>>Is there a way to install the K12LTSP packages into this install, or do >>>I have to go for a pure LTSP install from scratch? >>> >>>I always install apt on my RHEL4 boxes, since I'm used to that. I also >>>use some mirrors from FC3 to install software. Is there such a apt >>>repository that might do this for RHEL4? >> >>I'm working on this right now. If I remember my apt syntax correctly, >>this should do the trick: >> >> rpm http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us apt/EL4 k12ltsp non-free os > > > That looks right. Thank you. I'll try that. > > Trond I should also complete the instructions ;-) To simplify things a bit, I made K12LTSP meta packages. You can grab just the group of packages you are interested in: apt-get update apt-get install k12ltsp-core # LTSP apt-get install k12ltsp-education # Education apps apt-get install k12ltsp-utilities # yum, mondo, squidguard, etc apt-get install k12ltsp-extras # icewm, openoffice-extras, etc If you install the k12ltsp-core package via apt-get/yum/up2date, you must manually run the initialization script: /opt/ltsp/templates/k12ltsp/K12Linux-initialized Then reboot the server, cross your fingers, and try to boot a terminal ;-) -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From ascensiontech at gmail.com Fri May 13 16:23:37 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 12:23:37 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] killer elementary/junior high apps? In-Reply-To: <20050510130505.52588.qmail@web52905.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050510130505.52588.qmail@web52905.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9bd3175605051309237294aebc@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for the replies guys. Can anyone else tell me what educational software they are using in elementary schools FOSS or otherwise? C'mon, what's good out there? Thanks, Peter On 5/10/05, richard ingalls wrote: > My middle school aged kids mostly use the labs for > OpenOffice and the Gimp and Firefox (and of course > games). I don't even use my linux labs with the > primary grade kids (they have a Windows lab with > "JumpStart" games). The 5-8th grade kids write > reports, letters, do presentations and some > spreadsheet work, as well as internet research for > class projects. > > I chose to go with PostNuke for my schools' CMS. I'm > in the process of setting up a Moodle site for the > middle school language arts class. I host the > PostNuke site on our own webserver (RedHat 8 with > Apache). I'll host the Moodle site from the Language > Arts classroom server. All of this software is FOSS. > > http://glenwood.k12.mo.us is my school site. Before > PostNuke CMS I used Dreamweaver and it was a LOT of > work and ate up TONS of my time. Now, it's pretty > simple. > > --- Ascension Tech wrote: > > Hey All, > > I'm sure this question must have been asked before. > > Let me first say > > that our school is prek-8th grade. What software are > > elementary/junior > > high schools getting the most out of, FOSS and > > otherwise? We have > > been using Gcompris. Also some of the math programs > > like tux math and > > kbruch. The bundled software doesn't seem to offer > > much to our older > > grades since much of it shoots too high or too low. > > Also, how many > > elementary schools are benefiting from content > > management systems? > > What do you like and why? Can anyone's CMS be > > accessed from the > > internet so I can see what they are like and also > > show > > teachers/administration what they are capable of? > > > > > > Thanks so much, > > Peter > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail Mobile > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail > From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri May 13 16:28:31 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 09:28:31 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] RHEL/K12LTSP In-Reply-To: <1116001250.6893.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1115985315.9101.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1116000970.6893.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1116001250.6893.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4284D5AF.5070406@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Trond M?hlum wrote: > fre, 13,.05.2005 kl. 18.16 +0200, skrev Trond M?hlum: > >>fre, 13,.05.2005 kl. 06.53 -0700, skrev Eric Harrison: >> >>>On Fri, 13 May 2005, Trond [ISO-8859-1] Mhlum wrote: >>> >>> >>>>After given up a FC3 install on my HP330, I have decided to go for a >>>>RHEL4 install, which detects the ATA Raid nicely. >>>> >>>>Is there a way to install the K12LTSP packages into this install, or do >>>>I have to go for a pure LTSP install from scratch? >>>> >>>>I always install apt on my RHEL4 boxes, since I'm used to that. I also >>>>use some mirrors from FC3 to install software. Is there such a apt >>>>repository that might do this for RHEL4? >>> >>>I'm working on this right now. If I remember my apt syntax correctly, >>>this should do the trick: >>> >>> rpm http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us apt/EL4 k12ltsp non-free os >> >>That looks right. Thank you. I'll try that. > > > By the way... The iso's located here: > > ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/EL/iso/ > > what are those? > The K12LTSP packages built into CentOS 4.0. I can't ship a derivative of the official RHEL4 ISOs, so the only choice for shipping ISOs is CentOS. Once I'm done, there will be a straight-forward way of installing K12LTSP packages using the official RHEL4 install media. Here is how I did it with RHEL3: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/EL/images/README -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <200505131817.j4DIHL6i008865@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200505131838.j4DIcLd9001435@mx1.redhat.com> Ok, I think I made some progress. In my attempt visit google, I recvied the ERROR The requested URL could not be retrieved It looks like all my pages are blocked. I can't access any website. Can someone help me figure this out? thanks _____ From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Mark Sarria Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 11:18 AM To: K12OSN at redhat.com Subject: [K12OSN] Is SquidGuard Working? I have SquidGuard enabled and I think I configured correctly, because when I start the service it gave me no errors. I opened a browser and typed in the server name with the port number it is listening to (8080) and the Fedora test page appears. My question is how do I really know its working and is there a basic test I can run to prove that it is working? --Mark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les at futuresource.com Fri May 13 18:56:36 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 13:56:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Imaging software In-Reply-To: <4284104A.2070500@alltel.net> References: <4284104A.2070500@alltel.net> Message-ID: <1116010596.8157.75.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2005-05-12 at 21:26, Doug Simpson wrote: >Randall Swift wrote: > >I am curious as to what is out there for (and what people are using) for > >imaging software. I have nortons ghost but I am not happy with it. I am > >looking for a GPL solution that will allow me to do imaging across a > >network. Thanks > Knoppix and rsync! > > Works for me! If you are doing exactly matching disks, you can dd the whole disk, with or without ssh'ing to another machine and with or without going to an intermediate file copy, with or without compression. That way is slow because you have to copy the unused parts of the disk, but it will come up with the same partitions and boot sector. There are any number of ways to do file based copies - tar, rsync, etc. These let you go to different sized partitions or different filesystem types but you have to do the grunge work of creating the partitions and filesystems, adjusting /etc/fstab and reinstalling grub yourself. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From pnakashi at k12.hi.us Fri May 13 19:07:21 2005 From: pnakashi at k12.hi.us (pnakashi at k12.hi.us) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 09:07:21 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Firefox v. Mozilla Message-ID: Oops, I should clarify. I am quite familiar with Mozilla.org and all of its projects. My question refers to how these two apps work specifically in a thin client environment. Are the browsers "basically" identical? The reason I ask is I recall hearing that, as opposed to Moz, Ffox is not a good choice for a multifunctional thin client server, therefore should be run locally, or on a dedicated app server. As a non-technical type, I have no idea how these apps work behind the screen. I'm trying to find out if this is true. --Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Ramon > Mozilla has more features, firefox is a "light" version and mozilla > has been discontinued. I think firefox is the best option plus it > contains the same tecnology as mozilla the gecko browser. > > > Is there a difference in the way these apps work that would make one > > preferable over the other in a thin client environment? > > --Peter From pnakashi at k12.hi.us Fri May 13 19:21:45 2005 From: pnakashi at k12.hi.us (pnakashi at k12.hi.us) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 09:21:45 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Firefox v. Mozilla Message-ID: Looks like it's now at http://nvu.com/ --Peter ----- Original Message ----- > Sharon, > > Take a look at Nvu a standalone gecko based WYSIWG editor. Its just > about to have a 1.0 release. > > http://nvu.org iirc. > > -Brian From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Fri May 13 19:29:05 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 12:29:05 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Full Report on Open Source Software in Schools Message-ID: http://www.becta.org.uk/corporate/publications/documents/BEC5606_Full_report18.pdf Just out today. -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.technologyrescue.com From robark at gmail.com Fri May 13 19:48:01 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 12:48:01 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] slow OpenGL process on client Message-ID: Why does the OpenGL program "glxgears" only use 0.1% cpu on a client but 99% on the server? I discovered this with $ps -aux | grep glxgears -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From robark at gmail.com Fri May 13 20:28:55 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 13:28:55 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Multiple logins: Ha Ha I logged you out! Message-ID: I know this has come up before but I don't remember a good solution. I have offered to hold a K12ltsp workshop for my district and I know the issue of multiple logins is going to come up. Right now all my own students have their own username/passwords. But classes that visit the lab use generic logins like comp1, comp2, comp3 etc.. and the password is the same for these generic usernames. I have set PURGE_PROCESS=YES in /etc/sysconfig/k12kltsp to prevent multiple logins. However, how do you prevent users (kids) from logging each other out when they realize that if they use another username their friend gets kicked off. I feel like we really need a solution for this problem. If we find a solution we should put it on the wiki or incorporate it into the distro. -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From stegil at hotmail.com Fri May 13 20:27:39 2005 From: stegil at hotmail.com (steve gilmore) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 16:27:39 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Full Report on Open Source Software in Schools References: Message-ID: Interesting report ..... Only wish they used opensource software to write it. written with: pdf:Producer>Acrobat Distiller 7.0 for Macintosh To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 3:29 PM Subject: [K12OSN] Full Report on Open Source Software in Schools > http://www.becta.org.uk/corporate/publications/documents/BEC5606_Full_report18.pdf > > Just out today. > > > > -- > Steve Hargadon > 916-899-1400 direct > www.technologyrescue.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From robark at gmail.com Fri May 13 20:40:32 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 13:40:32 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Dead link in wiki Message-ID: This link "http://www.lfsp.org/users.html" is dead for me. It's from http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/CreateUsers Anyone still have this script? Does it still work? -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Fri May 13 20:51:43 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 13:51:43 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Full Report on Open Source Software in Schools In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: One of the articles I read had a classic comment by the MS spokesman: he said that the study was skewed because there was a volunteer who helped with the Open Source stuff. 1. Yea, that's a part of Open Source. Thanks for pointing it out! 2. Like no parents have ever had to volunteer to help with MS stuff? Ha! -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.technologyrescue.com From jim at winonacotter.org Fri May 13 21:08:27 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 16:08:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Full Report on Open Source Software in Schools In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <004801c557ff$e83854d0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > One of the articles I read had a classic comment by the MS > spokesman: he said that the study was skewed because there > was a volunteer who helped with the Open Source stuff. > > 1. Yea, that's a part of Open Source. Thanks for pointing it out! > > 2. Like no parents have ever had to volunteer to help with MS stuff? > > Ha! And paid help is less bias? I don't think so. I am sure reports are much more fair when supported by millions of Microsoft dollars :-) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Fri May 13 21:08:33 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 16:08:33 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Multiple logins: Ha Ha I logged you out! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <004901c557ff$ebeafc90$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > However, how do you prevent users (kids) from logging each > other out when they realize that if they use another username > their friend gets kicked off. Buy a used fraturnity paddle and just start whacking them with it, but get a good lawyer first :-) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dbentson at lcsd.k12.wa.us Fri May 13 20:52:59 2005 From: dbentson at lcsd.k12.wa.us (Dan Bentson-Royal) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 13:52:59 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Is SquidGuard Working? In-Reply-To: <200505131838.j4DIcLd9001435@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200505131838.j4DIcLd9001435@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <428513AB.4020102@lcsd.k12.wa.us> Look for clues by using these: tail -n 40 /var/log/squid/access.log tail -n 40 /var/log/squidGuard/squidGuard.log ps aux | grep squid Right now, you aren't passing any traffic - you know that part. Also, I think that the squid.conf file is superceded by squid-squidGuard.conf, isn't that right? Also, I'd try using the default set up using port 3128 just to be sure that it is working in the basic configuration. To test, try going to a blocked site. I always try http://www.wno.org to see if it gets blocked. If squidGuard is running, that site will be blocked. Mark Sarria wrote: > > *Ok, I think I made some progress. In my attempt visit google, I > recvied the * > > > *ERROR* > > > *The requested URL could not be retrieved* > > > > It looks like all my pages are blocked. I can?t access any website. Can > someone help me figure this out? > > > > thanks > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] *On > Behalf Of *Mark Sarria > *Sent:* Friday, May 13, 2005 11:18 AM > *To:* K12OSN at redhat.com > *Subject:* [K12OSN] Is SquidGuard Working? > > > > I have SquidGuard enabled and I think I configured correctly, because > when I start the service it gave me no errors. I opened a browser and > typed in the server name with the port number it is listening to (8080) > and the Fedora test page appears. > > My question is how do I really know its working and is there a basic > test I can run to prove that it is working? > > > > > > --Mark > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Dan Bentson-Royal La Center School District La Center, WA Due to budgetary constraints, the light at the end of the tunnel has been turned off. From mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us Fri May 13 21:47:53 2005 From: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us (Mark Sarria) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 14:47:53 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Is SquidGuard Working? In-Reply-To: <428513AB.4020102@lcsd.k12.wa.us> Message-ID: <200505132203.j4DM3fLT009188@mx3.redhat.com> Thanks for the info, I can confirm that Squid is working on my server because it is blocking everything, when I ran tail -n 40 /var/log/squid/access.log I saw my ip address being blocked from the sights. This is the error I am getting on the browser screen The following error was encountered: Access Denied. -----Original Message----- From: Dan Bentson-Royal [mailto:dbentson at lcsd.k12.wa.us] Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 1:53 PM To: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us; Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Is SquidGuard Working? Look for clues by using these: tail -n 40 /var/log/squid/access.log tail -n 40 /var/log/squidGuard/squidGuard.log ps aux | grep squid Right now, you aren't passing any traffic - you know that part. Also, I think that the squid.conf file is superceded by squid-squidGuard.conf, isn't that right? Also, I'd try using the default set up using port 3128 just to be sure that it is working in the basic configuration. To test, try going to a blocked site. I always try http://www.wno.org to see if it gets blocked. If squidGuard is running, that site will be blocked. Mark Sarria wrote: > > *Ok, I think I made some progress. In my attempt visit google, I > recvied the * > > > *ERROR* > > > *The requested URL could not be retrieved* > > > > It looks like all my pages are blocked. I can't access any website. Can > someone help me figure this out? > > > > thanks > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] *On > Behalf Of *Mark Sarria > *Sent:* Friday, May 13, 2005 11:18 AM > *To:* K12OSN at redhat.com > *Subject:* [K12OSN] Is SquidGuard Working? > > > > I have SquidGuard enabled and I think I configured correctly, because > when I start the service it gave me no errors. I opened a browser and > typed in the server name with the port number it is listening to (8080) > and the Fedora test page appears. > > My question is how do I really know its working and is there a basic > test I can run to prove that it is working? > > > > > > --Mark > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Dan Bentson-Royal La Center School District La Center, WA Due to budgetary constraints, the light at the end of the tunnel has been turned off. From ascensiontech at gmail.com Fri May 13 23:48:47 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 19:48:47 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] optiplex gx280 problems Message-ID: <9bd3175605051316484fe3c842@mail.gmail.com> Hey Folks, I'm having some trouble configuring our Dell Optiplex gx280s as terminals. I can't get the usb keyboards to work. which sound and video modules should I use? the i810s fail for both. for usb kebbords and mice I tried the following but not luck : MODULE_01 = usb-uhci MODULE_02 = mousedev MODULE_03 = usbmouse MODULE_04 = usbkbd MODULE_05 = keybdev ohci won't work at all. Any ideas? Thanks in advance. Peter From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Sat May 14 04:08:32 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 00:08:32 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Dead link in wiki Message-ID: <1116043712.4880.358.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> Robert Arkiletian wrote: * ________________________________________________________________________ This link "http://www.lfsp.org/users.html"; is dead for me. It's from http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/CreateUsers Anyone still have this script? Does it still work? -- Robert Arkiletian ------------------------------------------------------------- Here's the latest link off their home page. http://www.lfsp.org/createusers-1.3.4.tar.gz We used creatusers two year ago and it worked well. Since then we have use the Webmin interface to create in bulk and a script to push out to our other servers. Will be switching over to sambaldap over the summer. You might find the following thread interesting https://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2005-April/msg00660.html From sudev at mantraonline.com Sat May 14 04:09:31 2005 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 09:39:31 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Multiple logins: Ha Ha I logged you out! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1116043771.9053.7.camel@server.ltsp> On Fri, 2005-05-13 at 13:28 -0700, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > I know this has come up before but I don't remember a good solution. I > have offered to hold a K12ltsp workshop for my district and I know the > issue of multiple logins is going to come up. > > Right now all my own students have their own username/passwords. But > classes that visit the lab use generic logins like comp1, comp2, comp3 > etc.. and the password is the same for these generic usernames. > > I have set PURGE_PROCESS=YES in /etc/sysconfig/k12kltsp to prevent > multiple logins. > > However, how do you prevent users (kids) from logging each other out > when they realize that if they use another username their friend gets > kicked off. > > I feel like we really need a solution for this problem. If we find a > solution we should put it on the wiki or incorporate it into the > distro. Define min UID as 600 in the file: /etc/login.defs Then for all UID's below 600 the purge script will not work. We use this to define admin users and regular users. Admin users are allowed to login multiple times. Alternatively /usr/sbin/purge_user needs to be modified so that it only picks up UID's above 600. HTH -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Sat May 14 11:12:36 2005 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 19:12:36 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Is SquidGuard Working? In-Reply-To: <200505131838.j4DIcLd9001435@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200505131838.j4DIcLd9001435@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1116069157.4719.157.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2005-05-13 at 11:38 -0700, Mark Sarria wrote: > Ok, I think I made some progress. In my attempt visit google, I > recvied the > ERROR > The requested URL could not be retrieved > > > It looks like all my pages are blocked. I can?t access any website. > Can someone help me figure this out? Whoa man!! Go easy on our eyes and bandwidth and stop posting in html. Your last post (above) just about knocked me off my chair because the font FILLED the screen it was that BIG!! Thanks :-) -- Regards, Gavin Chester From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Sat May 14 13:25:55 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 06:25:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Is SquidGuard Working? In-Reply-To: <200505132203.j4DM3fLT009188@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200505132203.j4DM3fLT009188@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 13 May 2005, Mark Sarria wrote: > Thanks for the info, I can confirm that Squid is working on my server > because it is blocking everything, when I ran tail -n 40 > /var/log/squid/access.log I saw my ip address being blocked from the sights. > > This is the error I am getting on the browser screen > > The following error was encountered: > > Access Denied. This is from squid, not squidGuard. I believe you have a problem with your access control lists. >From the squid FAQ: http://www.squid-cache.org/Doc/FAQ/FAQ-10.html#ss10.2 10.2 How do I allow my clients to use the cache? Define an ACL that corresponds to your client's IP addresses. For example: acl myclients src 172.16.5.0/24 Next, allow those clients in the http_access list: http_access allow myclients These lines go in /etc/squid/squid-squidGuard.conf or /etc/squid/squid.conf, depending on how you started squid (the first one is for the squidguard server, the second the standard squid). -Eric From brcisna at frontiernet.net Sat May 14 14:11:39 2005 From: brcisna at frontiernet.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 09:11:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Local CDROM howto? Message-ID: <001501c5588e$d9405740$01fea8c0@brcHOST> Hello List,, Just wanting to tell all of the principles involved in the K12LTSP..project ,,what good things this has brought to our school!Easier management, better apps for students, more comprehensive application(versions),,for opening MS word stuff,that kids had brought from home on floppys, that wouldnt open in our version of Word(MS),,but would in OO:).. and 0$ cost! Now for todays Q>? Does anyone have a "step by step" on how to actually get the local cdrom,,to work on the clients? Finally got the USB/pendrive to work in conjunction with floppy&/MToolsFM, working here,,so I dont think there's really much need to even have cdroms on the clients,,but still would like to make them function for the "nasayers" at our school that claims this setup,,isnt as "functional" as a thick client. if anyone can post up a howto& a troubleshoot"if it doesnt work" for the simple minded ones ,such as I..:). Ive seen tons of hacks on this subject, that ive tryed, but none actually worked:(.. BTW. We are running 4.2.0 version of K12LTSP. Thanks, Barry From cliebow at downeast.net Sat May 14 14:52:01 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 14:52:01 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] ppc client-8362-a53 Message-ID: <200505141706.j4EH6O109459@downeast.net> Johnny: I made slight progress today on that thin-client..by adding option 2111 in dhcpd.conf on server it will try to download kernel (might have done so before but erred withboot fileserver -protocol error)..It tries to find yaboot.63Z 63a .Z abd finally settles for yaboot.. it then errors out with incorrect procudt file..8362 not supported by yaboot please update software server needs dhcp support(??) So next step is to learn a little about those other yaboot possibilities..chuck I will try to add progress if any to wiki.ltsp.org under clients.. --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From mpribik at zoznam.sk Fri May 13 19:16:46 2005 From: mpribik at zoznam.sk (M.Pribik) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 20:16:46 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Local CDROM howto? References: <001501c5588e$d9405740$01fea8c0@brcHOST> Message-ID: <000401c557f0$4e684130$0100a8c0@Marian> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry R Cisna" To: "K12OSN" Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 3:11 PM Subject: [K12OSN] Local CDROM howto? > Hello List,, > > Just wanting to tell all of the principles involved in the > K12LTSP..project ,,what good things this has brought to our school!Easier > management, better apps for students, more comprehensive > application(versions),,for opening MS word stuff,that kids had brought from > home on floppys, that wouldnt open in our version of Word(MS),,but would in > OO:).. and 0$ cost! > > Now for todays Q>? > > Does anyone have a "step by step" on how to actually get the local > cdrom,,to work on the clients? > Finally got the USB/pendrive to work in conjunction with > floppy&/MToolsFM, working here,,so I dont think there's really much need to > even have cdroms on the clients,,but still would like to make them function > for the "nasayers" at our school that claims this setup,,isnt as > "functional" as a thick client. > if anyone can post up a howto& a troubleshoot"if it doesnt work" for the > simple minded ones ,such as I..:). > > Ive seen tons of hacks on this subject, that ive tryed, but none > actually worked:(.. > BTW. We are running 4.2.0 version of K12LTSP. > > Thanks, > > Barry > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From carl at snarlnet.com Sun May 15 01:58:04 2005 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 18:58:04 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: BackupPC Message-ID: <4286ACAC.8070105@snarlnet.com> Hi, I'm asking this here because I know there are some BackupPC mavens on this list. Also, I'm installing on top of a k12ltsp install. Does anyone know an easy way to get this going? I'm having to do a lot of make installs, etc. and I'm worried that I'm missing some super easy yummified way of doing this. Plus, I'm theoretically all done with the install and nothing is working. The BackupPC docs are full of typos, so I'm getting a little confused. Any help would be appreciated. I'd like to be able to use the cgi interface. A quick checklist perhaps? I did the minimal "server" install from the k12ltsp 4.2.1 disks, so that' my starting point. I had to install perl, Archive, Compress, etc. from scratch. Thanks, ck From les at futuresource.com Sun May 15 05:20:25 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 00:20:25 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: BackupPC In-Reply-To: <4286ACAC.8070105@snarlnet.com> References: <4286ACAC.8070105@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: <1116134424.18415.15.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sat, 2005-05-14 at 20:58, Carl Keil wrote: > I'm asking this here because I know there are some BackupPC mavens on > this list. Also, I'm installing on top of a k12ltsp install. A k12ltsp install would be the same as the equivalent fedora version. > Does anyone know an easy way to get this going? I'm having to do a lot > of make installs, etc. and I'm worried that I'm missing some super easy > yummified way of doing this. There may be an rpm version somewhere, but I don't think it is up to date. > Plus, I'm theoretically all done with the > install and nothing is working. The BackupPC docs are full of typos, so > I'm getting a little confused. Any help would be appreciated. I'd like > to be able to use the cgi interface. A quick checklist perhaps? I did > the minimal "server" install from the k12ltsp 4.2.1 disks, so that' my > starting point. I had to install perl, Archive, Compress, etc. from > scratch. Perl should have already been part of your k12ltsp install, and the needed perl modules could have been installed with the perl CPAN module easier than doing it by hand - type: perl -MCPAN -eshell (you can usually answer 'no' to the first time question about setup and just go with the defaults). Than at the CPAN prompt enter install module_name and 'quit' when done. If you followed the instructions to create a backuppc user to own everything, you may be having apache permission problems caused by selinux. Turn it off. Also, you need the setuid version of perl. 'yum install perl-suidperl' if you are using the stock version of perl or compile with that option if you really built your own. Look in /var/log/httpd/error_log to see what problem you are having if it still doesn't work. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From carl at snarlnet.com Sun May 15 17:54:17 2005 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 10:54:17 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] [Fwd: K12OSN Digest, Vol 15, Issue 26] Message-ID: <42878CC9.8040303@snarlnet.com> Hi Les, I was hoping you'd chime in. So, with your help, and somebody named bimal (http://fedoranews.org/blog/?p=603 - thanks yahoo) I got the cgi-admin going and I think backuppc is running. Thank you for the rescue. (I think suidperl, was my problem). Is there a quick way to add clients to be backed up? I'm wondering if you have an example of the config needed to backup the entire home and etc directories of a k12ltsp server, for example? Have you ever backed up any os x macs using this? Any gotchas there? ck On Sat, 2005-05-14 at 20:58, Carl Keil wrote: > I'm asking this here because I know there are some BackupPC mavens on > this list. Also, I'm installing on top of a k12ltsp install. A k12ltsp install would be the same as the equivalent fedora version. > Does anyone know an easy way to get this going? I'm having to do a lot > of make installs, etc. and I'm worried that I'm missing some super easy > yummified way of doing this. There may be an rpm version somewhere, but I don't think it is up to date. > Plus, I'm theoretically all done with the > install and nothing is working. The BackupPC docs are full of typos, so > I'm getting a little confused. Any help would be appreciated. I'd like > to be able to use the cgi interface. A quick checklist perhaps? I did > the minimal "server" install from the k12ltsp 4.2.1 disks, so that' my > starting point. I had to install perl, Archive, Compress, etc. from > scratch. Perl should have already been part of your k12ltsp install, and the needed perl modules could have been installed with the perl CPAN module easier than doing it by hand - type: perl -MCPAN -eshell (you can usually answer 'no' to the first time question about setup and just go with the defaults). Than at the CPAN prompt enter install module_name and 'quit' when done. If you followed the instructions to create a backuppc user to own everything, you may be having apache permission problems caused by selinux. Turn it off. Also, you need the setuid version of perl. 'yum install perl-suidperl' if you are using the stock version of perl or compile with that option if you really built your own. Look in /var/log/httpd/error_log to see what problem you are having if it still doesn't work. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn End of K12OSN Digest, Vol 15, Issue 26 ************************************** From les at futuresource.com Mon May 16 04:05:37 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 23:05:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] [Fwd: K12OSN Digest, Vol 15, Issue 26] In-Reply-To: <42878CC9.8040303@snarlnet.com> References: <42878CC9.8040303@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: <1116216337.30658.82.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Sun, 2005-05-15 at 12:54, Carl Keil wrote: > Is there a quick way to add clients to be backed up? I'm wondering if > you have an example of the config needed to backup the entire home and > etc directories of a k12ltsp server, for example? Have you ever backed > up any os x macs using this? Any gotchas there? You need to add the machines to the conf/hosts file and set up the backup method and target directories in conf/config.pl for the first or what you expect to be the most common type. I usually back up up the whole machine because the compression and file pooling makes the /bin, /lib, etc. take up very little extra space. However, I do add the --one-file-system option to the tar or rsync commands (to keep from wandering into NFS or CD mount points) and specify each filesystem separately. If you do this, be sure that you understand that new mount points have to added to the config to be backed up. Using rsync, the parts you change might be something like: $Conf{BackupFilesExclude} = ['/proc','/var/spool/squid','slocate.db']; $Conf{XferMethod} = 'rsync'; $Conf{RsyncShareName} = ['/', '/boot', '/var', '/home']; $Conf{RsyncArgs} = [ # # Do not edit these! # '--numeric-ids', '--perms', '--owner', '--group', '--devices', '--links', '--times', '--block-size=2048', '--recursive', # # Add additional arguments here # '--one-file-system', '--exclude=/var/spool/squid', '--exclude=slocate.db', '--exclude=/proc', ]; I haven't backed up mac clients myself but it has been discussed on the mail list. Using normal tar/rsync will lose the resource fork info, but there is a modified tar (xtar, I think) that will work and directions for setting it up should be in the backuppc mail list archives. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From martinlala at fastermail.com Mon May 16 10:07:13 2005 From: martinlala at fastermail.com (akinyemi akindele) Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 18:07:13 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] route configuration Message-ID: <20050516100713.AD307416118@ws5-2.us4.outblaze.com> please i have a problem i need help on how to save my route configuration any time i reboot i will loose my route configurations expeciall my default route. -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://fastermail.com Powered by Outblaze From gumprechtm at msln.net Mon May 16 11:00:08 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 07:00:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] ot BackupPC linux client setup Message-ID: <42887D38.3040806@msln.net> I've had no problems with the windows setup with rsynd, but I can not seem to get the rsync to work on the linux client. Does any one have a howto on this? I have tried the online docs 3 times and can not seem to get it to work. Thanks Mark -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From genfil at gmail.com Mon May 16 11:32:18 2005 From: genfil at gmail.com (Genfil Villahermosa) Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 19:32:18 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Can not run 2 network card Message-ID: I have problem running 2 network card on the same ltsp server. Only one seem to run at time. I have SIS on eth1(irq 11) and Davicom on the other (the device name is dev19774 using irq 10). -- please visit http://www.dekititirsiasiradas.org From jon.spriggs at gmail.com Mon May 16 12:02:13 2005 From: jon.spriggs at gmail.com (Jon Spriggs) Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 13:02:13 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] route configuration In-Reply-To: <20050516100713.AD307416118@ws5-2.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20050516100713.AD307416118@ws5-2.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <96df2e0b05051605026cd8860e@mail.gmail.com> This script may assist you: http://alexeyt.freeshell.org/code/iproute.redhat Hope this helps :) On 5/16/05, akinyemi akindele wrote: > > please i have a problem i need help on how to save my route configuration > any time i reboot i will loose my route configurations expeciall my default > route. > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Get your free email from http://fastermail.com > > Powered by Outblaze > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Jon "Four Star Gun" Spriggs AKA Jon "The Nice Guy" Spriggs -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les at futuresource.com Mon May 16 13:03:20 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 08:03:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] route configuration In-Reply-To: <20050516100713.AD307416118@ws5-2.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20050516100713.AD307416118@ws5-2.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <1116248600.1808.5.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2005-05-16 at 05:07, akinyemi akindele wrote: > please i have a problem i need help on how to save my route configuration any time i reboot i will loose my route configurations expeciall my default route. You can add routes in the GUI network setup tool, redhat-config-network or system-config-network depending on your system version (either of which can also be invoked as 'neat'. Click on an interface, then the edit button. You can put the default gateway on the first page and any other routes that should be associated with that interface can be added with the 'route' tab. Be sure to add the routes to the interface that can reach them - they are added when the interface comes up. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From les at futuresource.com Mon May 16 13:10:29 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 08:10:29 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] ot BackupPC linux client setup In-Reply-To: <42887D38.3040806@msln.net> References: <42887D38.3040806@msln.net> Message-ID: <1116249029.1808.13.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2005-05-16 at 06:00, Mark Gumprecht wrote: > I've had no problems with the windows setup with rsynd, but I can not > seem to get the rsync to work on the linux client. Does any one have a > howto on this? I have tried the online docs 3 times and can not seem to > get it to work. You can run a standalone rsync daemon on Linux too, but the normal way is to run it over ssh. You first need to set up the ssh keys for passwordless remote execution, and the place most people go wrong with backuppc is doing this as root on the server side. You need to run as the backuppc user when generating your keys but add them to /root/.ssh/authorized_keys2 on the remote side. Test by executing as the backuppc user: ssh -lroot target_client id You should get a prompt about an unrecognized host the first time you do this, then it should work with no prompts. When it reports your id as root, backuppc should be able to run backups with tar or rsync. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From gumprechtm at msln.net Mon May 16 13:27:20 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 09:27:20 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] ot BackupPC linux client setup In-Reply-To: <1116249029.1808.13.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <42887D38.3040806@msln.net> <1116249029.1808.13.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <42889FB8.2090100@msln.net> I followed some directions that said I should use apache as the user instead of backuppc. I believe this is where the problem comes in. I need to go back and setup as the backuppc user instead. mark Les Mikesell wrote: >On Mon, 2005-05-16 at 06:00, Mark Gumprecht wrote: > > >>I've had no problems with the windows setup with rsynd, but I can not >>seem to get the rsync to work on the linux client. Does any one have a >>howto on this? I have tried the online docs 3 times and can not seem to >>get it to work. >> >> > >You can run a standalone rsync daemon on Linux too, but the normal >way is to run it over ssh. You first need to set up the ssh >keys for passwordless remote execution, and the place most people >go wrong with backuppc is doing this as root on the server side. >You need to run as the backuppc user when generating your keys >but add them to /root/.ssh/authorized_keys2 on the remote side. >Test by executing as the backuppc user: >ssh -lroot target_client id >You should get a prompt about an unrecognized host the first >time you do this, then it should work with no prompts. When >it reports your id as root, backuppc should be able to run >backups with tar or rsync. > > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon May 16 13:44:29 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 09:44:29 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Xserve as a LTSP server....anyone done this? Message-ID: It seems around Linux World time that someone had managed to get LTSP working on a Mac server. I know the client works...(Mac connected to a PC server), but was wondering if anyone has managed getting LTSP working on something like Ubuntu or YellowDog on a Mac server such as an Xserve??? Anyone? If you have any ideas I'm all ears...I'd like to try this for proof of concept. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From jam at mcquil.com Mon May 16 13:44:42 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 09:44:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Xserve as a LTSP server....anyone done this? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David, It should just work. The LTSP installation tools are all written in Perl, so there's no porting required. You may have to enable some of the services manually, like tftp, dhcp or nfs, but that shouldn't be all that hard. Keep in mind tho, that your users will be running their applications on a PPC box, so the apps will be built for PPC Linux. That may limit the apps that are available. Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Mon, 16 May 2005, David Trask wrote: > It seems around Linux World time that someone had managed to get LTSP > working on a Mac server. I know the client works...(Mac connected to a PC > server), but was wondering if anyone has managed getting LTSP working on > something like Ubuntu or YellowDog on a Mac server such as an Xserve??? > Anyone? If you have any ideas I'm all ears...I'd like to try this for > proof of concept. > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From gumprechtm at msln.net Mon May 16 14:22:54 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 10:22:54 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] ot BackupPC linux client setup In-Reply-To: <42889FB8.2090100@msln.net> References: <42887D38.3040806@msln.net> <1116249029.1808.13.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <42889FB8.2090100@msln.net> Message-ID: <4288ACBE.8000700@msln.net> Figured it out, your lead gave me the answer, thankyou. I created the necessary .ssh directory in the apache path and applied permissions and did a sudo apache ssh-keygen and did it that way. Thanks Mark Mark Gumprecht wrote: > I followed some directions that said I should use apache as the user > instead of backuppc. I believe this is where the problem comes in. I > need to go back and setup as the backuppc user instead. > mark > Les Mikesell wrote: > >> On Mon, 2005-05-16 at 06:00, Mark Gumprecht wrote: >> >> >>> I've had no problems with the windows setup with rsynd, but I can >>> not seem to get the rsync to work on the linux client. Does any one >>> have a howto on this? I have tried the online docs 3 times and can >>> not seem to get it to work. >>> >> >> >> You can run a standalone rsync daemon on Linux too, but the normal >> way is to run it over ssh. You first need to set up the ssh >> keys for passwordless remote execution, and the place most people >> go wrong with backuppc is doing this as root on the server side. >> You need to run as the backuppc user when generating your keys >> but add them to /root/.ssh/authorized_keys2 on the remote side. >> Test by executing as the backuppc user: >> ssh -lroot target_client id >> You should get a prompt about an unrecognized host the first >> time you do this, then it should work with no prompts. When >> it reports your id as root, backuppc should be able to run >> backups with tar or rsync. >> >> >> > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon May 16 14:29:22 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 10:29:22 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Xserve as a LTSP server....anyone done this? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: thanks Jim....just the info I needed. Daryl Hawes is presenting Mac stuff at the Linux conference in June (the one you're coming to in Bethel Maine)....and we know we can do the whole Mac client from a PC server, but would like to try and demo Mac server and mac clients as well just for kicks. Thanks for the info. and especially the heads up about the PPC apps....I might have missed that. ;-) "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, May 16, 2005 at 9:44 AM +0000 wrote: >David, > >It should just work. > >The LTSP installation tools are all written in Perl, so there's no >porting required. > >You may have to enable some of the services manually, like tftp, dhcp or >nfs, but that shouldn't be all that hard. > >Keep in mind tho, that your users will be running their applications on >a PPC box, so the apps will be built for PPC Linux. That may limit the >apps that are available. > >Jim McQuillan >jam at Ltsp.org David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From gary.frederick at jsoft.com Mon May 16 14:31:18 2005 From: gary.frederick at jsoft.com (Gary Frederick) Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 09:31:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] How do I route mail to unknown users to one account Message-ID: <1116253879.28089.15.camel@server.ltsp> Howdy I added this line to /etc/mail/sendmail.mc define(`LUSER_RELAY',`local:auser at jsoft.com') and did this m4 sendmail.mc >sendmail.cf service sendmail restart I can send email to auser but email to unknown users still goes to me rather than auser? What did I do wrong? Gary This is on a k12ltsp system running sendmail. From les at futuresource.com Mon May 16 14:44:48 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 09:44:48 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] ot BackupPC linux client setup In-Reply-To: <4288ACBE.8000700@msln.net> References: <42887D38.3040806@msln.net> <1116249029.1808.13.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> <42889FB8.2090100@msln.net> <4288ACBE.8000700@msln.net> Message-ID: <1116254688.16438.8.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2005-05-16 at 09:22, Mark Gumprecht wrote: > Figured it out, your lead gave me the answer, thankyou. > I created the necessary .ssh directory in the apache path and applied > permissions and did a sudo apache ssh-keygen and did it that way. There are different ways to configure the server. Running everything as apache eliminates some local permission issues and is just as secure if you don't run unrelated web sites on the same box. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jim at winonacotter.org Mon May 16 14:59:15 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 09:59:15 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Xserve as a LTSP server....anyone done this? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000801c55a27$d3e03dc0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > It seems around Linux World time that someone had managed to > get LTSP working on a Mac server. I know the client > works...(Mac connected to a PC server), but was wondering if > anyone has managed getting LTSP working on something like > Ubuntu or YellowDog on a Mac server such as an Xserve??? > Anyone? If you have any ideas I'm all ears...I'd like to try > this for proof of concept. Yep. And it is super easy. Just load something like PPC Ubuntu on it. Then go get LTSP 4.1 and install it. All of the original LTSP packages I found are all noarch dependant. It works quick and extremely easy. Now the problem I ran into is once it was done. Most of the packages in the Edutainment section are i386 dependant. So I had trouble finding enough PPC or noarch dependant software to install on it and make it usefull. But as long as you don't go with K12LTSP and just use straight LTSP it installs on Ubuntu like nothing. I tested with YellowDog as well and it works beautifully. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From cliebow at downeast.net Mon May 16 14:47:53 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 14:47:53 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] route configuration Message-ID: <200505161702.j4GH21V14986@downeast.net> canbt you add somelines in /etc/rc.d/ec/local to do that for you..chuck > please i have a problem i need help on how to save my route configuration any time i reboot i will loose my route configurations expeciall my default route. > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Get your free email from http://fastermail.com > > Powered by Outblaze > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From nbs at sonic.net Mon May 16 17:23:46 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 10:23:46 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] killer elementary/junior high apps? In-Reply-To: <9bd3175605051309237294aebc@mail.gmail.com> References: <20050510130505.52588.qmail@web52905.mail.yahoo.com> <9bd3175605051309237294aebc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20050516172346.GA13739@sonic.net> On Fri, May 13, 2005 at 12:23:37PM -0400, Peter Hartmann wrote: > Thanks for the replies guys. Can anyone else tell me what educational > software they are using in elementary schools FOSS or otherwise? > C'mon, what's good out there? I don't work in education, so I can't say "yes, I use such-n-such", but I just wondered if you had looked around the seul/edu app. index, to at least get an idea of what's out there? (If you already know what's out there, and specifically want examples from people using it, then ignore me. :^) ) http://richtech.ca/seul/ -- -bill! bill at newbreedsoftware.com http://newbreedsoftware.com/ From mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us Mon May 16 17:42:02 2005 From: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us (Mark Sarria) Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 10:42:02 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] SquidGuard Not Filtering Message-ID: <200505161741.j4GHfcu3013804@mx1.redhat.com> I am finally understanding what I have working on my squid box. I know its not filtering content because I am not getting the redirect page. The page I am getting is the CONNECTION FAILED page;below I have included my squidGuard.conf script # # CONFIG FILE FOR SQUIDGUARD # # See http://www.squidguard.org/config/ for more examples # dbhome /var/squidGuard/blacklists logdir /var/log/squidGuard dest ads { log ads domainlist ads/domains urllist ads/urls } dest audio-video { log audio-video domainlist audio-video/domains urllist audio-video/urls } dest aggressive { log aggressive domainlist aggressive/domains urllist aggressive/urls } dest drugs { log drugs domainlist drugs/domains urllist drugs/urls } dest gambling{ log gambling domainlist gambling/domains urllist gambling/urls } dest hacking { log hacking domainlist hacking/domains urllist hacking/urls } dest mail { log mail domainlist mail/domains urllist mail/urls } dest porn{ log porn domainlist porn/domains urllist porn/urls } dest proxy{ log proxy domainlist proxy/domains urllist proxy/urls } dest violence{ log violence domainlist violence/domains urllist violence/urls } dest warez{ log warez domainlist warez/domains urllist warez/urls } dest local-ok{ domainlist local-ok/domains urllist local-ok/urls } dest local-block{ log local-block domainlist local-block/domains urllist local-block/urls } rewrite google { s@(google.com/search.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i s@(google.com/images.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i s@(google.com/groups.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i s@(google.com/news.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i # log google } acl { default { # for google to be in "safe mode" rewrite google # the default categories are conservative, please add any additional # categories listed above or simply comment out this line and uncomment # out the line below it. # pass local-ok !local-block !gambling !porn !warez all pass local-ok !local-block !aggressive !drugs !gambling !hacking !porn !proxy !violence !warez all redirect 302:http://shsmain/cgi-bin/squidGuard.cgi?clientaddr=%a&clientname=%n&client ident=%i&srcclass=%s&targetgroup=%t&url=%u # redirect 302:http://localhost.localdomain/cgi-bin/squidGuard-simple.cgi?clientaddr=%a &clientname=%n&clientident=%i&srcclass=%s&targetclass=%t&url=%u } } mark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dbentson at lcsd.k12.wa.us Mon May 16 18:13:15 2005 From: dbentson at lcsd.k12.wa.us (Dan Bentson-Royal) Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 11:13:15 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] SquidGuard Not Filtering In-Reply-To: <200505161741.j4GHfcu3013804@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200505161741.j4GHfcu3013804@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4288E2BB.5070506@lcsd.k12.wa.us> Do you have apache running on your squid box? Mark Sarria wrote: > I am finally understanding what I have working on my squid box. I know > its not filtering content because I am not getting the redirect page. > The page I am getting is the CONNECTION FAILED page;below I have > included my squidGuard.conf script > > > > # > > # CONFIG FILE FOR SQUIDGUARD > > # > > # See http://www.squidguard.org/config/ for more examples > > # > > > > dbhome /var/squidGuard/blacklists > > logdir /var/log/squidGuard > > > > dest ads { > > log ads > > domainlist ads/domains > > urllist ads/urls > > } > > > > dest audio-video { > > log audio-video > > domainlist audio-video/domains > > urllist audio-video/urls > > } > > > > dest aggressive { > > log aggressive > > domainlist aggressive/domains > > urllist aggressive/urls > > } > > > > dest drugs { > > log drugs > > domainlist drugs/domains > > urllist drugs/urls > > } > > > > dest gambling{ > > log gambling > > domainlist gambling/domains > > urllist gambling/urls > > } > > dest hacking { > > log hacking > > domainlist hacking/domains > > urllist hacking/urls > > } > > > > dest mail { > > log mail > > domainlist mail/domains > > urllist mail/urls > > } > > > > dest porn{ > > log porn > > domainlist porn/domains > > urllist porn/urls > > } > > > > dest proxy{ > > log proxy > > domainlist proxy/domains > > urllist proxy/urls > > } > > > > dest violence{ > > log violence > > domainlist violence/domains > > urllist violence/urls > > } > > > > dest warez{ > > log warez > > domainlist warez/domains > > urllist warez/urls > > } > > > > dest local-ok{ > > domainlist local-ok/domains > > urllist local-ok/urls > > } > > dest local-block{ > > log local-block > > domainlist local-block/domains > > urllist local-block/urls > > } > > > > rewrite google { > > s@(google.com/search.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i > > s@(google.com/images.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i > > s@(google.com/groups.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i > > s@(google.com/news.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i > > # log google > > } > > > > acl { > > default { > > # for google to be in "safe mode" > > rewrite google > > > > # the default categories are conservative, please add any additional > > # categories listed above or simply comment out this line and > uncomment > > # out the line below it. > > # pass local-ok !local-block !gambling !porn !warez all > > pass local-ok !local-block !aggressive !drugs !gambling !hacking > !porn !proxy !violence !warez all > > redirect > 302:http://shsmain/cgi-bin/squidGuard.cgi?clientaddr=%a&clientname=%n&clientident=%i&srcclass=%s&targetgroup=%t&url=%u > > # redirect > 302:http://localhost.localdomain/cgi-bin/squidGuard-simple.cgi?clientaddr=%a&clientname=%n&clientident=%i&srcclass=%s&targetclass=%t&url=%u > > > > } > > } > > > > mark > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Dan Bentson-Royal La Center School District La Center, WA Due to budgetary constraints, the light at the end of the tunnel has been turned off. From mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us Mon May 16 18:50:30 2005 From: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us (Mark Sarria) Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 11:50:30 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] SquidGuard Not Filtering In-Reply-To: <4288E2BB.5070506@lcsd.k12.wa.us> Message-ID: <200505161850.j4GIo6k9005916@mx1.redhat.com> Yes, using default port -----Original Message----- From: Dan Bentson-Royal [mailto:dbentson at lcsd.k12.wa.us] Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 11:13 AM To: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us; Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] SquidGuard Not Filtering Do you have apache running on your squid box? Mark Sarria wrote: > I am finally understanding what I have working on my squid box. I know > its not filtering content because I am not getting the redirect page. > The page I am getting is the CONNECTION FAILED page;below I have > included my squidGuard.conf script > > > > # > > # CONFIG FILE FOR SQUIDGUARD > > # > > # See http://www.squidguard.org/config/ for more examples > > # > > > > dbhome /var/squidGuard/blacklists > > logdir /var/log/squidGuard > > > > dest ads { > > log ads > > domainlist ads/domains > > urllist ads/urls > > } > > > > dest audio-video { > > log audio-video > > domainlist audio-video/domains > > urllist audio-video/urls > > } > > > > dest aggressive { > > log aggressive > > domainlist aggressive/domains > > urllist aggressive/urls > > } > > > > dest drugs { > > log drugs > > domainlist drugs/domains > > urllist drugs/urls > > } > > > > dest gambling{ > > log gambling > > domainlist gambling/domains > > urllist gambling/urls > > } > > dest hacking { > > log hacking > > domainlist hacking/domains > > urllist hacking/urls > > } > > > > dest mail { > > log mail > > domainlist mail/domains > > urllist mail/urls > > } > > > > dest porn{ > > log porn > > domainlist porn/domains > > urllist porn/urls > > } > > > > dest proxy{ > > log proxy > > domainlist proxy/domains > > urllist proxy/urls > > } > > > > dest violence{ > > log violence > > domainlist violence/domains > > urllist violence/urls > > } > > > > dest warez{ > > log warez > > domainlist warez/domains > > urllist warez/urls > > } > > > > dest local-ok{ > > domainlist local-ok/domains > > urllist local-ok/urls > > } > > dest local-block{ > > log local-block > > domainlist local-block/domains > > urllist local-block/urls > > } > > > > rewrite google { > > s@(google.com/search.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i > > s@(google.com/images.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i > > s@(google.com/groups.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i > > s@(google.com/news.*q=.*)@\1\&safe=active at i > > # log google > > } > > > > acl { > > default { > > # for google to be in "safe mode" > > rewrite google > > > > # the default categories are conservative, please add any additional > > # categories listed above or simply comment out this line and > uncomment > > # out the line below it. > > # pass local-ok !local-block !gambling !porn !warez all > > pass local-ok !local-block !aggressive !drugs !gambling !hacking > !porn !proxy !violence !warez all > > redirect > 302:http://shsmain/cgi-bin/squidGuard.cgi?clientaddr=%a&clientname=%n&client ident=%i&srcclass=%s&targetgroup=%t&url=%u > > # redirect > 302:http://localhost.localdomain/cgi-bin/squidGuard-simple.cgi?clientaddr=%a &clientname=%n&clientident=%i&srcclass=%s&targetclass=%t&url=%u > > > > } > > } > > > > mark > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Dan Bentson-Royal La Center School District La Center, WA Due to budgetary constraints, the light at the end of the tunnel has been turned off. From mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us Mon May 16 18:52:45 2005 From: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us (Mark Sarria) Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 11:52:45 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Is SquidGuard Working? In-Reply-To: <4288E24A.9050102@lcsd.k12.wa.us> Message-ID: <200505161852.j4GIqFgd006971@mx1.redhat.com> I tried that command, it still not filtering. I have SELinux disabled. -mark -----Original Message----- From: Dan Bentson-Royal [mailto:dbentson at lcsd.k12.wa.us] Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 11:11 AM To: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Is SquidGuard Working? Does is it work if you try these two commands (the first one may wrap around but it is one command): su squid -s /bin/sh -c "/usr/sbin/squidGuard -c /etc/squid/squidGuard.conf -C all" followed by /usr/bin/killall -HUP squid Let me know if that works. Also, did you make any changes to SELinux? Mark Sarria wrote: > I don't think my list is updating, I can access the site you suggested > (http://www.wno.org/), I tried adding it to my block list and then running > the update list commands, and I can still access the sites. I know the proxy > is working because if I turn off the service, I can't access the web. And > when I go to www.sex.com it blocks it. > > Anything else I can try, or should look at? > > --mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Bentson-Royal [mailto:dbentson at lcsd.k12.wa.us] > Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 5:15 PM > To: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Is SquidGuard Working? > > Yes, though mine took some serious troubleshooting. > > Edit your local-block/domains list and add something like xanga.com > (forget the www or whatever - just the domain name). > > Then you should be able to run this: > [root at filter1 ~]# /usr/sbin/update_squidguard_blacklists > This will check for new blacklists as well as incorporate your changes. > > This did NOT work for me at first, though. It also takes your proxy > offline for (in my case at least) about 45 seconds - which can aggravate > users. > > The command above runs nightly via cron - so when you are "in > production" you can just wait till the next day for things to be blocked. > > Here was the post where I summarized what I'd done. I hope it helps. I > really think squidGuard is important and significant. Here's the post: > ==========begin post 1============ > When I modify my local-block/domains to include a site to be blocked, > how do I get squidGuard to start taking note of that? It seems like > squidGuard is ignoring the contents of local-block/domains and my > computer is failing to incorporate the contents of local-block/domains > into local-block/domains.db - whatever the case, I can't seem to get a > local-block to happen. > > I have modified that file (local-block/domains) and then done: > /usr/sbin/update_squidguard_blacklists > /etc/init.d/squidguard stop > /etc/init.d/squidguard start > But the date on local-block/domains.db never changes and the site I've > tried to block still comes through. > > I've also tried running > /usr/sbin/squidGuard -C /etc/squid/squidGuard.conf -C all > but it similarly seems to make no difference. That should be covered > anyway when I do the /usr/sbin/update_squidguard_blacklists, right? > Anyway... > > Sites listed in the default local-block/domains are blocked > (amyshop.com) but not my new additions (xanga.com or myspace.com). Even > after a complete restart of the computer, it behaves the same way. I've > reinstalled squid and squidGuard from scratch three times now and I just > can't seem to figure it out! > > Any suggestions would be much appreciated. > BTW, I am running the latest updates of squid and squidGuard on LTSP4.2.0 > ==========end post 1============== > ==========begin post 2============ > Thanks for listening in to me on this... I *finally* found the/my problem. > > The squidguard.mesd site indicates that after editing the > local-block/domains file that I needed to run: > /usr/sbin/update_squidGuard_blacklists > and it would be good to go but it wasn't working for me. After trying > about 200,000 unrelated things, I tried the next suggestion for those > "not using the pre-built RPM" - even though I am. > > I ran: > su squid -s /bin/sh -c "/usr/sbin/squidGuard -c > /etc/squid/squidGuard.conf -C all" > followed by > /usr/bin/killall -HUP squid > Now everything works as expected. I think. > > My misunderstanding was that the script update_squidGuard_blacklists > would rebuild the database files - now I think it doesn't. At least it > wasn't for me. > > I think my issue was needing to run that script as the user squid (su > squid) to get the database domains.db to incorporate changes in the text > file domains. I changed the update_squidGuard_blacklists to use: > su squid -s /bin/sh -c "/usr/sbin/squidGuard -c > /etc/squid/squidGuard.conf -C all" > where before it was just: > /usr/sbin/squidGuard -c /etc/squid/squidGuard.conf -C all > > Anyway, it now works for me. I got rid of some bogus domain entries in > my domains file - but did not run the update_squidGuard_blacklists > script. Hopefully tomorrow I'll see some date changes that will confirm > my understanding. > > ==========end post============== > > > > Mark Sarria wrote: > >>YEAAAAAAA, I think its working NOW, thanks for your comment Dan, It rang a >>bell, I did not put the full rang of IP address in the list. >>Now, I want to add a few sites to the black list, can I do this locally on >>my black list? >> >>-mark >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Dan Bentson-Royal [mailto:dbentson at lcsd.k12.wa.us] >>Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 3:19 PM >>To: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us >>Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Is SquidGuard Working? >> >>I think now you have an issue with your ACL lists in squid-squidGuard.conf >> >>Can you send the part that identifies your IP addresses and such? Mine >>starts in a section that is headed with: >> INSERT YOUR OWN RULE(S) HERE TO ALLOW ACCESS FROM YOUR CLIENTS >>and it will be something like: >> acl youmakethisnameup 221.63.88.0/255.255.255.0 >>where the 221.63.88.0 is your IP network >> >>You also should have, a couple of lines down, something like: >> http_access allow youmakethisnameup >>to tell squid to let the traffic through. >> >>Again, be sure that you are not getting bolluxed up with your ports - >>3128 is the default and you changed yours to 8080. Maybe someone here >>can tell you where all the places are in the config file that you'll >>need to list the altered port number. I don't think you do anything with >>the port numbers in the squidGuard.conf file, is that right? >> >>Mark Sarria wrote: >> >> >>>Thanks for the info, I can confirm that Squid is working on my server >>>because it is blocking everything, when I ran tail -n 40 >>>/var/log/squid/access.log I saw my ip address being blocked from the >> >>sights. >> >> >>>This is the error I am getting on the browser screen >>> >>>The following error was encountered: >>> >>>Access Denied. >>> >>> >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Dan Bentson-Royal [mailto:dbentson at lcsd.k12.wa.us] >>>Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 1:53 PM >>>To: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us; Support list for opensource software in >>>schools. >>>Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Is SquidGuard Working? >>> >>>Look for clues by using these: >>> tail -n 40 /var/log/squid/access.log >>> tail -n 40 /var/log/squidGuard/squidGuard.log >>> ps aux | grep squid >>> >>>Right now, you aren't passing any traffic - you know that part. >>> >>>Also, I think that the squid.conf file is superceded by >>>squid-squidGuard.conf, isn't that right? >>> >>>Also, I'd try using the default set up using port 3128 just to be sure >>>that it is working in the basic configuration. >>> >>>To test, try going to a blocked site. I always try >>> http://www.wno.org >>>to see if it gets blocked. If squidGuard is running, that site will be >>>blocked. >>> >>> >>>Mark Sarria wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>*Ok, I think I made some progress. In my attempt visit google, I >>>>recvied the * >>>> >>>> >>>>*ERROR* >>>> >>>> >>>> *The requested URL could not be retrieved* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>It looks like all my pages are blocked. I can't access any website. Can >>>>someone help me figure this out? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>thanks >>>> >>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>>*From:* k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] *On >>>>Behalf Of *Mark Sarria >>>>*Sent:* Friday, May 13, 2005 11:18 AM >>>>*To:* K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>*Subject:* [K12OSN] Is SquidGuard Working? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>I have SquidGuard enabled and I think I configured correctly, because >>>>when I start the service it gave me no errors. I opened a browser and >>>>typed in the server name with the port number it is listening to (8080) >>>>and the Fedora test page appears. >>>> >>>>My question is how do I really know its working and is there a basic >>>>test I can run to prove that it is working? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>--Mark >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>K12OSN mailing list >>>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>>For more info see >>> >>> > -- Dan Bentson-Royal La Center School District La Center, WA Due to budgetary constraints, the light at the end of the tunnel has been turned off. From spowers at inlandlakes.org Mon May 16 19:12:06 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 15:12:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Professional Development and Teacher Collaboration Message-ID: <4288F086.1080103@inlandlakes.org> One of the biggest problems we have in our district with LTSP acceptance, I believe, is due to lack of PD. Would anyone be willing to share how they have trained staff to use the different OS? Do your teachers have lesson plans they are sharing? Care to share globally? A large part of this goes along with the thread asking about "killer apps" -- I'll one up that, and ask about departments or grade levels that are using thin clients as a part of the curriculum. Lastly, might we start another ltsp listserv for *teachers* using linux, so that they might share ideas without subscribing to this list and listening to the nuances of squid ports and dynamically loaded kernel modules? :) I have a 4th grade program, in which all 4 classrooms are using thin clients. One teacher has been using K12LTSP since version 2, and his class hasn't visited the "normal computer lab" in 3 years. I'd love to hook him up with other districts. Do other folks on this list have similar teachers at other grade levels? Have an interested upper elementary teacher that might like to talk with my 4th grade success story? I have linux in the door -- now I really want to make it work for everyone like it works for me. Any advice? -Shawn PS: I'm willing to do the legwork, and even host the listserv if so desired. If you only have time to forward this email to some teachers that would be interested, fine -- I really want to get folks communicating classroom to classroom. -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us Mon May 16 20:58:55 2005 From: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us (Mark Sarria) Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 13:58:55 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] SquidGuard Help Message-ID: <200505162058.j4GKwPVC018803@mx3.redhat.com> This is my environment : I am working on getting squidGuard to work, and I am having a problem with filtering. It's Not Doing It. I don't think my DB is updating the list I have one fedora core 3 LDAP server doing authentication, and also web filtering using squidGuard. We are running windows 98 and XP , Mac OS9 and 10.2 client computers. This is a high school, so there are certain sites the students will need access to like sex education sites and sexual transmitted disease sites. We have a router that does DHCP and is our Gateway to the internet. Our school district purchased Websense to filter our entire district. So when I try to connect to a page I get Websense block and not my block. When I enter a site on my blocked-list, It connects me right to it or shows me the connection failed Error message. So the sites on my list are not being blocked. Can you help? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dhuckaby at paasda.org Mon May 16 21:10:15 2005 From: dhuckaby at paasda.org (Huck) Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 14:10:15 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] SquidGuard Help In-Reply-To: <200505162058.j4GKwPVC018803@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200505162058.j4GKwPVC018803@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <42890C37.1040506@paasda.org> I'm not familiar with SQ as I use Dansguardian... but there was some setup in the squid.conf file to begin with and iptables...to make a transparent proxy... I could send you my iptable rules and .conf files for DG and Squid if you think it would help. --Huck Mark Sarria wrote: > This is my environment : > > > > > > I am working on getting squidGuard to work, and I am having a problem > with filtering. It?s Not Doing It. I don?t think my DB is updating the list > > > > I have one fedora core 3 LDAP server doing authentication, and also web > filtering using squidGuard. We are running windows 98 and XP , Mac OS9 > and 10.2 client computers. This is a high school, so there are certain > sites the students will need access to like sex education sites and > sexual transmitted disease sites. We have a router that does DHCP and is > our Gateway to the internet. Our school district purchased Websense to > filter our entire district. So when I try to connect to a page I get > Websense block and not my block. > > > > When I enter a site on my blocked-list, It connects me right to it or > shows me the connection failed Error message. So the sites on my list > are not being blocked. > > > > Can you help? > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From adammelancon at gmail.com Mon May 16 21:19:47 2005 From: adammelancon at gmail.com (Adam Melancon) Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 16:19:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SquidGuard Help In-Reply-To: <200505162058.j4GKwPVC018803@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200505162058.j4GKwPVC018803@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4892876105051614193c90762b@mail.gmail.com> Maybe something in my squidguard howto will help... http://www.lafayette.lib.la.us/tech/squidguardhowto/ If anyone is reading this that can change the page on the wiki, can you please update the link to my howto (I'm now at a different library and hosting the how-to there), thanks: http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/WebFiltering Vermilion Pairsh Library's switch to SquidGuard How-To http://www.lafayette.lib.la.us/tech/squidguardhowto/ On 5/16/05, Mark Sarria wrote: > > > > This is my environment : > > > > > > I am working on getting squidGuard to work, and I am having a problem with > filtering. It's Not Doing It. I don't think my DB is updating the list > > > > I have one fedora core 3 LDAP server doing authentication, and also web > filtering using squidGuard. We are running windows 98 and XP , Mac OS9 and > 10.2 client computers. This is a high school, so there are certain sites the > students will need access to like sex education sites and sexual transmitted > disease sites. We have a router that does DHCP and is our Gateway to the > internet. Our school district purchased Websense to filter our entire > district. So when I try to connect to a page I get Websense block and not my > block. > > > > When I enter a site on my blocked-list, It connects me right to it or shows > me the connection failed Error message. So the sites on my list are not > being blocked. > > > > Can you help? > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- Adam Melancon Work: http://www.lafayette.lib.la.us From ascensiontech at gmail.com Mon May 16 21:22:15 2005 From: ascensiontech at gmail.com (Peter Hartmann) Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 17:22:15 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] lts boot log? Message-ID: <9bd3175605051614221a0a803@mail.gmail.com> Is there a log of the stuff that speeds past the screen during boot? I'm trying to troubleshoot a usb keyboard problem but i can't see the errors. Any ideas? Thanks, Peter From petre at maltzen.net Mon May 16 22:13:08 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 17:13:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] lts boot log? In-Reply-To: <9bd3175605051614221a0a803@mail.gmail.com> References: <9bd3175605051614221a0a803@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42891AF4.6010905@maltzen.net> See http://www.ltsp.org/documentation/ltsp-4.1/ltsp-4.1.3-en.html#AEN965 about having the client boot to runlevel 3 (command line) so you can more easily see what scrolls by during boot. Petre Peter Hartmann wrote: > Is there a log of the stuff that speeds past the screen during boot? > I'm trying to troubleshoot a usb keyboard problem but i can't see the > errors. Any ideas? > > Thanks, > Peter > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From hoffmann at fidnet.com Mon May 16 22:17:08 2005 From: hoffmann at fidnet.com (hoffmann at fidnet.com) Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 17:17:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] eSchool News Article Message-ID: <01d401c55a64$fff93a00$1002a8c0@KAREN> Just read an interesting article in eSchool News online. Indiana is moving toward implementing a 1-to-1 desktop computing program using "open source operating systems and other software." http://www.eschoolnews.com/news/showStoryts.cfm?ArticleID=5660 Thought this was a very interesting article. Karen From mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us Mon May 16 23:00:26 2005 From: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us (Mark Sarria) Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 16:00:26 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] DO I Need DHCP Server Message-ID: <200505162300.j4GN0WA5024524@mx1.redhat.com> I am attempting my first try at booting this terminal server thing. I am new to thin client technology but have a pretty good idea of how it works. Before I get go any further I would like to describe my network environment. We have a Cisco 3663 Router that serves as our DHCP server and Gateway to the Internet. My client computers are a mixture of windows 95, 98, XP and Mac. AS I read the instruction on how to configure the server, the first thing that caught my attention is the fact that it has to be a DHCP server. So now I am stuck. I don't have a DHCP server. Our Cisco Router does that. Is there anyway to get terminal server to work without DHCP? 1. I downloaded my ISO version of Boot ROM from ROM-A-MATIC. 2. How do I start the terminal services on the server? Thank you ALL ---Mark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From SHarbour at nwresd.k12.or.us Mon May 16 23:10:35 2005 From: SHarbour at nwresd.k12.or.us (Sean Harbour) Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 16:10:35 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: K12OSN Digest, Vol 15, Issue 27 Message-ID: <646574B39C491E4D8573C54D35FFE52CA01F46@wsc-mail-01.intra.nwresd.k12.or.us> Keep in mind, you should be able to fairly easily 'add on' an x86 application only server for those few apps that won't port over nicely. The x86 apps would be presented via X to the PPC clients, letting you get the best of both worlds. So, you could even run (some) native windows apps in wine and display on ppc with no penalties. That's the beauty of it, if you can get something to run on a *nix server using standard display protocols, the thin clients don't care what the underlying hardware is. Unfortunately, this trick does not work for Mac OSX Aqua applications... Sean Harbour >Thanks for the info. and especially the heads up about the PPC >apps....I might have missed that. ;-) >"Support list for opensource software in schools." on >Monday, May 16, 2005 at 9:44 AM +0000 wrote: >>David, >> >>It should just work. >> >>The LTSP installation tools are all written in Perl, so there's no >>porting required. >> >>You may have to enable some of the services manually, like tftp, dhcp or >>nfs, but that shouldn't be all that hard. >> >>Keep in mind tho, that your users will be running their applications on >>a PPC box, so the apps will be built for PPC Linux. That may limit the >>apps that are available. >> >>Jim McQuillan >>jam at Ltsp.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Get it at: http://k12wincd.sourceforge.net/ Download, burn copies, and share it with your friends :) -Luis From sudev at mantraonline.com Tue May 17 03:23:42 2005 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 08:53:42 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] How do I route mail to unknown users to one account In-Reply-To: <1116253879.28089.15.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1116253879.28089.15.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <1116300222.11946.3.camel@server.ltsp> On Mon, 2005-05-16 at 09:31 -0500, Gary Frederick wrote: > Howdy > > I added this line to /etc/mail/sendmail.mc > > define(`LUSER_RELAY',`local:auser at jsoft.com') > > and did this > > m4 sendmail.mc >sendmail.cf > service sendmail restart > > I can send email to auser but email to unknown users still goes to me > rather than auser? > > What did I do wrong? Delivered to you means delivered to root? If yes then instead of above editing /etc/aliases and changing the postmaster line will work. Remember to run as root newaliases command after any change in aliases file. HTH -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From tom.hoffman at gmail.com Tue May 17 04:40:31 2005 From: tom.hoffman at gmail.com (Tom Hoffman) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 00:40:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] eSchool News Article In-Reply-To: <01d401c55a64$fff93a00$1002a8c0@KAREN> References: <01d401c55a64$fff93a00$1002a8c0@KAREN> Message-ID: <92de6c8805051621404d099808@mail.gmail.com> On 5/16/05, hoffmann at fidnet.com wrote: > Just read an interesting article in eSchool News online. Indiana is moving > toward implementing a 1-to-1 desktop computing program using "open source > operating systems and other software." > > http://www.eschoolnews.com/news/showStoryts.cfm?ArticleID=5660 Huh. I read that article and missed the words "open source." Kinda strange that they don't make a bigger deal about it. It's MASSIVE news if they pull it off. Also strange that I can find virtually nothing else about it on the web. Mike Huffman is giving a talk entitled "Open Source 1:1 Initiative" in November at a state conference. Here's a random mailing list post mentioning the hardware they're looking at: http://www.niesc.k12.in.us/pipermail/hecctech/2004-December/001789.html We'll need more info about this... --Tom From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue May 17 04:50:25 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 21:50:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] FC4t3 test build Message-ID: I have most of the kinks ironned out for a Fedora Core 4 version of K12LTSP. Much work left to do, but most of the heavy hacking is done. The usual rules apply. Don't even think about using this in a production environment. Many things are broken. Danger! Danger! Current breakage: * You must set SELinux to "Warn" or "Disable", otherwise DHCP fails. * I have not built all the repositories yet, so apt/up2date/yum will fail. * Gcompris won't compile, the one from K12LTSP 4.2.1 won't install, so no gcompris for now. Other than that, it all looks pretty good ;-) ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/4.3.92/ rsync -Pav k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us::testing/4.3.92/* . -Eric If you are like me and tend to forget to set SELinux to "Warn" during the install, here's how you fix it after it boots up: echo 0 > /selinux/enforce then edit /etc/sysconfig/selinux and set: SELINUX=permissive restart dhcp and you should be good to go: /sbin/service dhcpd start From nbs at sonic.net Tue May 17 05:02:30 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 22:02:30 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] eSchool News Article In-Reply-To: <92de6c8805051621404d099808@mail.gmail.com> References: <01d401c55a64$fff93a00$1002a8c0@KAREN> <92de6c8805051621404d099808@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20050517050230.GA22490@sonic.net> On Tue, May 17, 2005 at 12:40:31AM -0400, Tom Hoffman wrote: > On 5/16/05, hoffmann at fidnet.com wrote: > > Just read an interesting article in eSchool News online. Indiana is moving > > toward implementing a 1-to-1 desktop computing program using "open source > > operating systems and other software." > > > > http://www.eschoolnews.com/news/showStoryts.cfm?ArticleID=5660 > > > We'll need more info about this... > It'd be nice to have an article one can read without registering or logging in (like it appears one must do at eschoolnews.com), so that the word can be more easily spread. (I was thinking DesktopLinux.com or maybe even Slashdot.org...?) -- -bill! bill at newbreedsoftware.com http://newbreedsoftware.com/ From hick518 at yahoo.com Tue May 17 10:09:27 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 03:09:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Professional Development and Teacher Collaboration In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050517100927.70014.qmail@web32810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Shawn Powers wrote: > Lastly, might we start another ltsp listserv for > *teachers* using linux, > so that they might share ideas without subscribing > to this list and > listening to the nuances of squid ports and > dynamically loaded kernel > modules? :) A few months ago there was a fairly lengthy thread about this. I guess it ended up going nowhere. But I remember lots of discussion taking place on the topic, so it would be worth searching for and contacting the people involved, as some had volunteered to help set something up. -Rob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From hick518 at yahoo.com Tue May 17 10:13:00 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 03:13:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] lts boot log? In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050517101300.5914.qmail@web32815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If you copy /bin/dmesg to /opt/ltsp/i386/bin/dmesg, and you have SCREEN_02 = shell in your lts.conf fiel, then you can ctrl-alt-f2 after the terminal boots and type "dmesg | more" at the prompt. You'll see your bootup messages. -Rob P.S. Thanks to whoever gave me this solution when I asked this question a few months back. --- Peter Hartmann wrote: > Is there a log of the stuff that speeds past the > screen during boot? > I'm trying to troubleshoot a usb keyboard problem > but i can't see the > errors. Any ideas? > > Thanks, > Peter > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From hick518 at yahoo.com Tue May 17 10:29:28 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 03:29:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] DO I Need DHCP Server In-Reply-To: <200505162300.j4GN0WA5024524@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20050517102929.90001.qmail@web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mark, You have a few options regarding DHCP. 1) Turn off DHCP on the Cisco Router and instead use the LTSP box as your primary DHCP server. (Use a 1-nic setup in your LTSP box). 2) Use a 2-nic setup in your LTSP box, so that the LTSP box gets an IP address from your Cisco router on one nic, and on the other nice the LTSP box serves addresses via DHCP to *only* its thin client terminals. This is fairly straightforward to configure. 3) Use a 1-nic setup in your LTSP box, but have it serve addresses via DHCP on an alternate port (port 1067 is commonly used in this case). Then on www.rom-o-matic.com you configure your boot floppies to use port 1067. This way the two DHCP servers do not conflict with each other. Option 1 would be my preference. Option 2 is a good solution if for instance you will have a classroom full of terminals that will run off of a server that's also located in the classroom. If you want the server to be put in a room somewhere and you want terminals all over the building to be able to access it, option 2 might mean too much extra wiring. Option 3 is good, but I don't know how to get a client to PXE boot on port 1067. (PXE is used, I believe, by most newer computers that give you a "network boot" option in their built-in bootloader). Also, there's a handy "universal boot floppy" (see http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=80408&release_id=192814) but I think it only works on the standard port (port 67). It doesn't seem like too many people go for option 3, so you might find better community support with one of the other options. -Rob --- Mark Sarria wrote: > I am attempting my first try at booting this > terminal server thing. I am new > to thin client technology but have a pretty good > idea of how it works. > Before I get go any further I would like to describe > my network environment. > > > We have a Cisco 3663 Router that serves as our DHCP > server and Gateway to > the Internet. My client computers are a mixture of > windows 95, 98, XP and > Mac. > > AS I read the instruction on how to configure the > server, the first thing > that caught my attention is the fact that it has to > be a DHCP server. So now > I am stuck. I don't have a DHCP server. Our Cisco > Router does that. Is there > anyway to get terminal server to work without DHCP? > > 1. I downloaded my ISO version of Boot ROM from > ROM-A-MATIC. > 2. How do I start the terminal services on the > server? > > Thank you ALL > > > > ---Mark > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html From info at proex-india.com Tue May 17 12:57:16 2005 From: info at proex-india.com (info) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 18:27:16 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] running VNC server at client Side Message-ID: Hello All, How to run VNC server at client side , the way thinstation people are managing the XF86Config file and vnc.so file . How can i incorporate the same functionality in LTSP thinclients. which version of K12 supports this?? Help and Direction to this is appreciated. Regards K.Dinesh *********************************************************************** Computers are like air conditioners - They can't do their job properly if you open windows." *********************************************************************** This message and any attached files will have been checked with virus detection software before transmission. However, recipients must carry out their own virus checks before opening any attachment. Company accepts no liability for any loss or damage, which may be caused by software viruses. *********************************************************************** -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.10 - Release Date: 5/13/05 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.10 - Release Date: 5/13/05 From cliebow at downeast.net Tue May 17 12:57:21 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 12:57:21 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] running VNC server at client Side Message-ID: <200505171511.j4HFBMB16271@downeast.net> i use x11vnc as a local app..what is documented is in wiki.ltsp.org under experimental work and pagan rituals chuck > Hello All, > How to run VNC server at client side , the way thinstation people are > managing the XF86Config file and vnc.so file . How can i incorporate the > same functionality in LTSP thinclients. > which version of K12 supports this?? > > Help and Direction to this is appreciated. > Regards > K.Dinesh > *********************************************************************** > Computers are like air conditioners - They can't do their job properly > if you open windows." > *********************************************************************** > This message and any attached files will have been checked with virus > detection software before transmission. However, recipients must carry > out their own virus checks before opening any attachment. Company > accepts no liability for any loss or damage, which may be caused by > software viruses. > *********************************************************************** > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.10 - Release Date: 5/13/05 > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.10 - Release Date: 5/13/05 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From vceder at canterburyschool.org Tue May 17 13:19:08 2005 From: vceder at canterburyschool.org (Vern Ceder) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 08:19:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] eSchool News Article In-Reply-To: <92de6c8805051621404d099808@mail.gmail.com> References: <01d401c55a64$fff93a00$1002a8c0@KAREN> <92de6c8805051621404d099808@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4289EF4C.5020209@canterburyschool.org> I caught Mike Huffman's talk at a conference last November. I was amazed to hear a state official, particularly a DOE official, so fervently and pragmatically behind open source. Actually, while they did use Wintergreen whitebox systems for the pilot, the details of the main rollout are still uncertain. Dell has come on board as a partner and has been "very supportive" they say. The software has also changed from Linspire to Novell, since Novell is also a partner in the deal now. No surprise, this plan has raised many concerns on the part of tech coordinators across the state, from infrastructure (where do we get all those outlets?), to support for all those new machines, to outright FUD regarding OSS. The newest Indiana Tech Coordinators mailing list doesn't have an online archive yet that I know of, but I've included Mike Huffman's post to that list below, if anyone is interested Vern ====================================================================== > All: > > It is great to see so much discussion about 1:1 computing and the > issues surrounding it! The concept of an affordable, sustainable, > replicable project that promises to deliver 1:1 computing to Indiana > HS students has people talking all over Indiana, and in plenty of > other places as well. The concept of 1:1 computing has been > attempted before, and many of you have spoken of Michigan, Maine, New > Mexico and other states. These states have attempted 1:1 using a > laptop model. These programs have shown tremendous benefits for > schools, parents, and students. Most of the programs, as of today, > are being curtailed due to budget considerations. It is nice to > think of a $100 laptop (or even a $300 laptop), but the fact is that > there is not a suitable entry for consideration at this time. > (Michigan's program paid about $300 for laptop computers - but that > was an annual payment on a four-year lease. The total procurement > cost for each unit was considerably more than the annual payment.) > > Indiana's program design uses desktop computers instead of laptops. > The boxes currently used in the pilot program are basic systems that > have a 40 GB HD, 256 MB of RAM, CD-RW, on-board video, audio, and > LAN, USB2.0, diskette drive, 2.4 GHz processor (or better), > keyboard and optical mouse. These are basic systems and carry a > price tag of about $275. They come with a one-year warranty. > Pricing is based on QTY 1. In all respects this is a > "commodity-priced" computer. Future rollouts may include more RAM or > other slightly modified configurations. The goal is the hit the > $250-300 (or lower) price range with functionality that addresses > current needs. > > The overall architecture of a statewide deployment is also of prime > consideration. The architecture must address the software > update/patch management, content filtering requirements, virus > scanning needs, etc., that schools today must address. Preliminary > program design requirements consider deployment in all Indiana HS > language arts classes as a first step. > > Placing computers in a 1:1 environment in language arts classrooms > has several key benefits for Indiana schools: 1) Staged rollout will > allow schools to better handle issues of electrical, cabling, and > other infrastructure needs; 2) professional development can be more > focused on subject-specific activities and teachers will be better > able to take advantage of sharing among themselves; and 3) phased > deployment will allow us to measure scalability, architectural, and > other design issues, and allow far more flexibility when changes are > required. The benefits to students will come in terms of more > opportunities to write, research, and explore real-world skills they > will need as they graduate HS and move on to higher education. Other > tangential benefits exist as well, such as the increased opportunity > for schools to participate in end-of-course assessments and other > activities that require a high density of computers. While the price > is a driving factor in the initial procurement, curriculum is the > driving factor once the systems are in place in classrooms. > > A couple of questions form HECC members centered on the issue of > public bids for desktop units. At this time the state has not issued > a bid for these units. Because of the low cost of each unit, schools > have been able to procure needed units under the bid cap. > However,the Indiana Educational Service Centers have included a > low-cost option on their statewide RFP for computers starting this > year, and it may be advisable in the future to do a general RFP for > these units. One of the benefits of doing this may be that the price > can be driven even lower. The desks that are used in many of the > pilot projects come with a lifetime warranty (from NovaSolutionsInc) > and include power and cable management options. Desks can be ordered > with display trays for CRTs or mounts for LCD monitors. These desks, > specially configured for Indiana classrooms, are priced at $209. A > dual desk is also available that lowers the per unit cost even more. > The desktops allow a flat surface for regular classroom work and > contain the computer and monitor below the surface. In addition to > allowing the teacher a clear view of the classroom, several studies > have shown that the desks have ergonomic benefits as well. > > Indiana's 1:1 program is the first of its kind in the nation. We are > working with major vendors to encourage their interest in this > effort, and as you all know, several have responded positively, > including Dell, Intel, and Novell. We are in communication with > other suppliers as well, and that information will be made available > when and if it becomes available. We are also working with software > vendors to make more applications available in an open-systems > environment. > > Your input into this program is important. We want to include as > many perspectives as possible, both on the hardware side as well as > on the curriculum side -- keeping in mind that the goal is to equip > Indiana HS students with a computer in core subject areas for use > on-demand. We understand that each situation is unique and will > require adjusting the way the program rolls out as we go along. > Funding for the initiative will come from the Technology Plan Grant > funding that is available, along with other federal funds and funds > from other sources. As we explore partnerships with private sector > companies, we will push for help from them as well. > > One of the things that we have learned from the pilot projects > underway is that tech directors are key to the success of the > project. Luckily, we have some excellent tech directors in Indiana > schools. The project design takes into consideration the fact that > staffing is limited, and that local funding sources are strained - > both for materials and for staff. Please be patient as we continue > to develop this program. As stated earlier, we want your input. > This listserv is one good vehicle for that input. Also, feel free to > call me to share your thoughts. I will be happy to chat about > concerns, suggestions, and other thoughts about the program. We all > understand that is not a cure-all for every problem in education. As > someone stated very well, there is no substitute for a good teacher > and quality interaction with kids. We believe, however, that > equipping teachers with modern tools will help them to maximize their > talent and capability to touch each and every student. > > As 1:1 takes hold in Indiana high schools, schools maybe able to > consider relocating current computers to lower grade levels, thereby > making them more accessible to middle schools and elementary > students. > > Several questions have been raised about the overall design of the > program. More details will be made available soon. Rest assured > that we are talking to local school personnel in this effort and are > also looking at issues related to total cost of ownership. The > overall design will contain elements that address security, update > architecture, cross-platform compatibility, and issues related to > usability. We are working on the criteria for school selection as we > begin this effort. It will probably approximate the Technology Plan > Grant process used in prior years, but that is not yet certain. In > the meantime, we are interested in hearing from teachers and others > who are excited about participating. As soon as we have more details, > they will be made available. > > Once again, thanks for your input. Well keep watching the list and > try to provide additional information as it is appropriate. > > Mike Huffman Special Assistant for Technology Indiana Department of > Education 317-232-6672 mehinindiana at comcast.net -- This time for sure! -Bullwinkle J. Moose ----------------------------- Vern Ceder, Director of Technology Canterbury School, 3210 Smith Road, Ft Wayne, IN 46804 vceder at canterburyschool.org; 260-436-0746; FAX: 260-436-5137 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue May 17 14:10:42 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 10:10:42 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] FC4t3 test build In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, May 17, 2005 at 12:50 AM +0000 wrote: >Danger! Danger! You forgot "Will Robinson" Danger, danger! Will Robinson! *Lost in Space* David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue May 17 14:10:42 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 10:10:42 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] FC4t3 test build In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, May 17, 2005 at 12:50 AM +0000 wrote: >Danger! Danger! You forgot "Will Robinson" Danger, danger! Will Robinson! *Lost in Space* David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From jim at winonacotter.org Tue May 17 15:03:04 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 10:03:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] eSchool News Article In-Reply-To: <92de6c8805051621404d099808@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001601c55af1$86837ef0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > > Just read an interesting article in eSchool News online. > Indiana is > > moving toward implementing a 1-to-1 desktop computing program using > > "open source operating systems and other software." > > > > http://www.eschoolnews.com/news/showStoryts.cfm?ArticleID=5660 This just got me thinking. I have about 200 iMac Bondi's at this school being replaced over the summer. I might just see if I can get those, load them up with PPC Ubuntu and other usefull apps, then donate them to be distributed among low income families in the community for free. Any thoughts on the concept? I think this may be an awesome way to get huge press in the area about the open source initiative, get some users exposed to it, and just plain do a good thing. I am wondering about availability of PPC software. Does anyone know of good resources for software on PPC platforms? Thanks -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From hick518 at yahoo.com Tue May 17 15:14:25 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 08:14:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] eSchool News Article In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050517151425.80283.qmail@web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> One thing you'll need to consider is that low income families might not have it in their budget to have internet access. You'll either need to provide them with all the software they'll ever want up front, or some easy way to receive additional software packages. A public internet access point at a library or something would be useful for folks with laptops. It should probably be configured it so that it's download-only (to stop bad guys from sending spam from the "good will" internet connection). -Rob --- Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > > Just read an interesting article in eSchool News > online. > > Indiana is > > > moving toward implementing a 1-to-1 desktop > computing program using > > > "open source operating systems and other > software." > > > > > > > http://www.eschoolnews.com/news/showStoryts.cfm?ArticleID=5660 > > This just got me thinking. I have about 200 iMac > Bondi's at this school > being replaced over the summer. I might just see if > I can get those, > load them up with PPC Ubuntu and other usefull apps, > then donate them to > be distributed among low income families in the > community for free. Any > thoughts on the concept? I think this may be an > awesome way to get huge > press in the area about the open source initiative, > get some users > exposed to it, and just plain do a good thing. > > I am wondering about availability of PPC software. > Does anyone know of > good resources for software on PPC platforms? > > Thanks > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/ From cliebow at downeast.net Tue May 17 15:05:50 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 15:05:50 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] john leonard-Jammin 125 no loading Message-ID: <200505171719.j4HHJoB12104@downeast.net> John I do have the 8363exx working pretty well..notes on wiki.ltsp.org..chuck > Quoting cliebow at downeast.net: > > > John: these are type 8363..no chance to put a diff. ethernet card in..word > > on the street is it requires an elf type binary whatever that is..maybe it > > has something to do with cookies made in a treetrunk..chuck > LOL ;-) > here's a page you might look at...I've never had an 8363 but if they are > similare to the 8364, they'll have a password jumper on the mb near the on/off > button...I jump that and power it for a few seconds and then take the jumper > off...that lets me into the bios and under 'system' there is an option to make > it boot dhcp and save it.....I'm interested to see how you make out...J > > John T. Leonard > Technology Coordinator > MSAD No. 41 > Penquis Valley HS/MS > 48 Penquis Drive > Milo, Maine 04463 > Ph:207-943-7346 Ext.211 > Ph:207-943-5332 > Fax:207-943-0962 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From rushton at svstrut.org Tue May 17 15:31:40 2005 From: rushton at svstrut.org (Rushton Hurley) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 08:31:40 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Professional Development and Teacher Collaboration Message-ID: <428A0E5C.6080405@svstrut.org> Hello to all. Thanks to Shawn for bringing up the professional development issue and the suggestion for a second listserv. While I lose no sleep over the technical nature of this list (praises to all that is good in the universe for digests), something that better prepares those in the classroom for using LTSP makes sense. If the LTSP folks would prefer for any reason not to start a K12LTSP-Teachers list, I would be happy to set up a Yahoo group to handle it. I suspect there are plenty of teachers for whom having access to a list would allay their fears enough to allow trying an LTSP mini-lab or similar. Shawn, I'd also like permission to adopt your disclaimer. Rushton ------------------------------------ Rushton Hurley Students Recycling Used Technology Silicon Valley StRUT Coordinator e) rushton at svstrut.org w) www.svstrut.org p) 408-748-0927 ------------------------------------ ----- Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 15:12:06 -0400 From: Shawn Powers Subject: [K12OSN] Professional Development and Teacher Collaboration >One of the biggest problems we have in our district with LTSP acceptance, I believe, is due to lack of PD. Would anyone be willing to share how they have trained staff to use the different OS? >Do your teachers have lesson plans they are sharing? Care to share globally? >A large part of this goes along with the thread asking about "killer apps" -- I'll one up that, and ask about departments or grade levels that are using thin clients as a part of the curriculum. >Lastly, might we start another ltsp listserv for *teachers* using linux, so that they might share ideas without subscribing to this list and listening to the nuances of squid ports and dynamically loaded kernel modules? :) >I have a 4th grade program, in which all 4 classrooms are using thin clients. One teacher has been using K12LTSP since version 2, and his class hasn't visited the "normal computer lab" in 3 years. I'd love to hook him up with other districts. Do other folks on this list have similar teachers at other grade levels? Have an interested upper elementary teacher that might like to talk with my 4th grade success story? >I have linux in the door -- now I really want to make it work for everyone like it works for me. Any advice? -Shawn >PS: I'm willing to do the legwork, and even host the listserv if so desired. If you only have time to forward this email to some teachers that would be interested, fine -- I really want to get folks communicating classroom to classroom. -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From jim at winonacotter.org Tue May 17 15:39:21 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 10:39:21 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] eSchool News Article In-Reply-To: <20050517151425.80283.qmail@web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001801c55af6$98548de0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > One thing you'll need to consider is that low income > families might not have it in their budget to have > internet access. You'll either need to provide them > with all the software they'll ever want up front, or > some easy way to receive additional software packages. That is the main point to the second part of the email. I want to install a complete set of software by default already included on the machine. I'll load up all possible stuff with Ubuntu and check it out closer, but I would like to have some of the edutainment apps from K12LTSP included. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From johnny at msad41.us Tue May 17 15:46:46 2005 From: johnny at msad41.us (John T. Leonard) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 11:46:46 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] john leonard-Jammin 125 no loading In-Reply-To: <200505171719.j4HHJoB12104@downeast.net> References: <200505171719.j4HHJoB12104@downeast.net> Message-ID: <1116344806.428a11e69b55c@www.msad41.us> Quoting cliebow at downeast.net: > John I do have the 8363exx working pretty well..notes on > wiki.ltsp.org..chuck Great news Chuck....and you can't beat the price! :-) J John T. Leonard Technology Coordinator MSAD No. 41 Penquis Valley HS/MS 48 Penquis Drive Milo, Maine 04463 Ph:207-943-7346 Ext.211 Ph:207-943-5332 Fax:207-943-0962 From acarr at saskforestcentre.ca Tue May 17 15:48:54 2005 From: acarr at saskforestcentre.ca (Angus Carr) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 09:48:54 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] new K12WinCD In-Reply-To: <20050516233600.XWJA12158.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> References: <20050516233600.XWJA12158.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Message-ID: <428A1266.9000208@saskforestcentre.ca> This sounds like an interesting idea. Another possibility is the qemu-knoppix notion of a bootable cd with qemu on it too. If you place it into a windows machine while running Windows, it autruns a virtual linux machine. Or you can boot a linux machine directly off the CD. http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=78849#78849 or google qemu knoppix Angus Carr. ps. No, I'm not suggesting I will set it up. It's just an interesting idea. luis.montes at cox.net wrote: >Just released version 4.2.1 > >k12wincd provides a CD image of software that parents may wish to install for their children that go to a school using K12LTSP. >This cd can be thought of as a take home companion CD for students using Windows at home, but k12 linux at school. > >As it is a companion CD to the k12ltsp distro, the new versioning scheme is intended to keep up with k12ltsp. > >Get it at: > >http://k12wincd.sourceforge.net/ > >Download, burn copies, and share it with your friends :) > >-Luis > > > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > > From cliebow at downeast.net Tue May 17 15:34:49 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 15:34:49 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] john leonard-Jammin 125 no loading Message-ID: <200505171748.j4HHmoB19042@downeast.net> >cant beat the price is right!! 28 of em plus a twin 550 server with 2 gig for the cost of gas to augusta and back...8~) chuck Quoting cliebow at downeast.net: > > > John I do have the 8363exx working pretty well..notes on > > wiki.ltsp.org..chuck > > Great news Chuck....and you can't beat the price! :-) J > > John T. Leonard > Technology Coordinator > MSAD No. 41 > Penquis Valley HS/MS > 48 Penquis Drive > Milo, Maine 04463 > Ph:207-943-7346 Ext.211 > Ph:207-943-5332 > Fax:207-943-0962 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From mwebb at addisonboot.com Tue May 17 16:42:26 2005 From: mwebb at addisonboot.com (mike webb) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 11:42:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] intergrating k12ltsp Message-ID: <428A1EF2.70902@addisonboot.com> what i have now: a dsl modem that acts as a dhcp server, our address range is 192.168.3.10 ? 192.168.3.255 the dsl modems address is 192.168.3.7 an as400 mainframe that we connect to via frame relay,its address is 10.0.0.2 , it has a gateway address of 192.168.3.1. all the windows machines that must be able to reach the as400 and the internet have a little batch file that i created to run on startup. the batch file reads as so. route add 0.0.0.0 192.168.3.7 route add 10.0.0.2 192.168.3.1 what i've added lately: one of the ethernet lines from the dsl modem runs into eth1 of an k12ltsp server, it gives the server an ?outside? address of 192.168.3.208. coming out of eth0 is a line which runs to a switch and branches out to 4 other computers, all of these computers are running cygwin. the installation of the k12ltsp is totally stock, so eth0 is set to 192.168.0.254. and it hands out the ip addresses for the 4 terminals we've been testing k12ltsp now for three or four weeks and thinks this system rocks. but i have to make changes to the system that i don't think i can't do alone. this is what i would like to be able to do. we all need to be on one network 192.168.3.*** . the k12ltsp server has an address of 192.168.3.208, it has no internal ethernet card. every computer within our factory can access the k12ltsp server via cygwin we would use the command xwin -query 192.168.3.208. as cygwin starts up the k12ltsp server needs to be able to tell cygwin that to reach the internet go out thru 192.168.3.7 but to reach address 10.0.0.2 (as400) go out thru 192.168.3.1. with windows i use the route add command, were do i put that in ltsp ?? if i can get that to work then ibm has some software that will allow me to do 5250 terminal emulation on linux, i could load that program in and access the as400 with an ltsp terminal. does anyone think they can help me or perhaps know a better way to do this ??? From nbs at sonic.net Tue May 17 16:47:52 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 09:47:52 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] eSchool News Article In-Reply-To: <001601c55af1$86837ef0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <92de6c8805051621404d099808@mail.gmail.com> <001601c55af1$86837ef0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20050517164752.GB6821@sonic.net> On Tue, May 17, 2005 at 10:03:04AM -0500, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I am wondering about availability of PPC software. Does anyone know of > good resources for software on PPC platforms? PPC is one of the platforms Debian itself supports, so I don't see why anything that's in Ubuntu (that you'd see on an Intel-style PC) wouldn't also be available for a PPC (i.e., Mac hardware). As for edutainment stuff, KDE comes with plenty of games, and there's the whole debian-edu project. :^) Good luck! Sounds like a great idea! -- -bill! bill at newbreedsoftware.com http://newbreedsoftware.com/ From les at futuresource.com Tue May 17 17:51:18 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 12:51:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] intergrating k12ltsp In-Reply-To: <428A1EF2.70902@addisonboot.com> References: <428A1EF2.70902@addisonboot.com> Message-ID: <1116352278.2892.132.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-05-17 at 11:42, mike webb wrote: > what i have now: > > a dsl modem that acts as a dhcp server, our address range is > 192.168.3.10 ? 192.168.3.255 > > the dsl modems address is 192.168.3.7 > > > an as400 mainframe that we connect to via frame relay,its address is > 10.0.0.2 , it has a gateway address of 192.168.3.1. all the windows > machines that must be able to reach the as400 and the internet have a > little batch file that i created to run on startup. the batch file reads > as so. > > route add 0.0.0.0 192.168.3.7 > > route add 10.0.0.2 192.168.3.1 > > > what i've added lately: > > one of the ethernet lines from the dsl modem runs into eth1 of an > k12ltsp server, it gives the server an ?outside? address of > 192.168.3.208. coming out of eth0 is a line which runs to a switch and > branches out to 4 other computers, all of these computers are running > cygwin. > > the installation of the k12ltsp is totally stock, so eth0 is set to > 192.168.0.254. and it hands out the ip addresses for the 4 terminals > > > we've been testing k12ltsp now for three or four weeks and thinks this > system rocks. but i have to make changes to the system that i don't > think i can't do alone. this is what i would like to be able to do. we > all need to be on one network 192.168.3.*** . the k12ltsp server has an > address of 192.168.3.208, it has no internal ethernet card. every > computer within our factory can access the k12ltsp server via cygwin we > would use the command xwin -query 192.168.3.208. as cygwin starts up the > k12ltsp server needs to be able to tell cygwin that to reach the > internet go out thru 192.168.3.7 but to reach address 10.0.0.2 (as400) > go out thru 192.168.3.1. with windows i use the route add command, were > do i put that in ltsp ?? >From the command line: route add -host 10.0.0.2 gw 192.168.3.1 and you could add that to /etc/rc.d/rc.local to run at bootup or just add the route with the network GUI setup program. > if i can get that to work then ibm has some > software that will allow me to do 5250 terminal emulation on linux, i > could load that program in and access the as400 with an ltsp terminal. > does anyone think they can help me or perhaps know a better way to do > this ??? Do you control the dsl router? The simple way to handle extra routes is to add them to the router that everything else uses as the default. Alternatively, you could put 2 nics in the k12ltsp server and put it between the dsl router and the rest of the network. However, then you either have to change the subnet address on the DSL router or everything else. Then the k12ltsp server could do dhcp and be the default gateway for everything else, and only it would need the route to the mainframe. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From spowers at inlandlakes.org Tue May 17 17:57:08 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 13:57:08 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] eSchool News Article In-Reply-To: <20050517164752.GB6821@sonic.net> References: <92de6c8805051621404d099808@mail.gmail.com> <001601c55af1$86837ef0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> <20050517164752.GB6821@sonic.net> Message-ID: <428A3074.3020001@inlandlakes.org> Bill Kendrick wrote: > PPC is one of the platforms Debian itself supports, yes -- I think editing /etc/apt/sources.list (or is it sources.conf...I forget) and uncommenting "universe" -- you'll get the whole debian repository full of PPC stuff. There is a lot of stuff there. I'm not sure if "universe" is the entire debian collection, but it's pretty substantial regardless. Also, since internet access wouldn't be included (I wouldnt' think) you might want to consider a way to transport documents to/from school for the low income kids/families. I bought 16MB flash drives on eBay for $3.29 each, so that's a thought... -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Tue May 17 17:57:52 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 10:57:52 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] eSchool News Article In-Reply-To: <01d401c55a64$fff93a00$1002a8c0@KAREN> References: <01d401c55a64$fff93a00$1002a8c0@KAREN> Message-ID: On 5/16/05, hoffmann at fidnet.com wrote: > Just read an interesting article in eSchool News online. Indiana is moving > toward implementing a 1-to-1 desktop computing program using "open source > operating systems and other software." We just did a school installation of K12LTSP in Indiana, and today have made contact with Mike Huffman and are preparing a proposal for him. I believe this is a great opportunity to show how Linux thin client, and LTSP/K12LTSP in particular, could make a huge difference in schools. There are big guns involved in this deal: Dell, Novell, and maybe Linspire. I would welcome any help: from ideas, to the actual design of the proposal, to (wouldn't it be great) installations. Whether it is this particular project, or Michigan, or somewhere else, I believe the LTSP/K12LTSP community is ready for something of this scope. And that if we can find a way to combine our commercial and non-commercial interests, we can create a compelling case for more wide-scale adoption of Linux thin client in schools. Schools will save a lot of money, older computers will be saved from landfill, and students will benefit from an introduction to the world of Open Source software. ONE IDEA: consider a formal program to have students following and involved in the creation of software specifically designed for the school environment, with local Open Source hackers coming to classrooms, explaining how this all works, and inviting collaboration on software projects--maybe some specifically designed to provide student involvement. Maybe some basic tasks and templates that a teacher could use as a project, mentored by a hacker, where students join a project with other students across the state via an email list, and complete the project together--then can compare with the solutions of other students. And maybe even a contest for softare creation. Now that would be significant. Steve -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.technologyrescue.com From spowers at inlandlakes.org Tue May 17 18:05:37 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 14:05:37 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Professional Development and Teacher Collaboration In-Reply-To: <428A0E5C.6080405@svstrut.org> References: <428A0E5C.6080405@svstrut.org> Message-ID: <428A3271.2060106@inlandlakes.org> Rushton Hurley wrote: > If the LTSP folks would prefer for any reason not to start a > K12LTSP-Teachers list, I would be happy to set up a Yahoo group to I've received quite a few off-list responses, and I'm going to do my best to make this come to fruition. I'm going to set up a content management system (drupal, geeklog, something like that) that folks can sign up and contribute to. Give me a few days, and I'll ask for help setting up and inviting interested teachers. I'm not sure the best way to organize the site (and I'm looking for thoughts on the matter). Things like classroom management, topic specific practices, grade-level specific ideas, etc all seem to be valid subject matters, and I'd like to see them organized somehow. I figure a listserv for teachers with a searchable archive would be needed, and hopefully many of us would subscribe (keeping the topics curricular rather than technical). I might officially ask for some subdomain-love from the k12ltsp.org owner -- but only if the end product merits the name. ;) > Shawn, I'd also like permission to adopt your disclaimer. lol! I'm flattered. Yes of course, anyone can use it in any form they like. -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue May 17 18:26:02 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 11:26:02 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] eSchool News Article In-Reply-To: <428A3074.3020001@inlandlakes.org> References: <92de6c8805051621404d099808@mail.gmail.com> <001601c55af1$86837ef0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> <20050517164752.GB6821@sonic.net> <428A3074.3020001@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <428A373A.2000400@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Shawn Powers wrote: > Bill Kendrick wrote: > >> PPC is one of the platforms Debian itself supports, > > > yes -- I think editing /etc/apt/sources.list (or is it sources.conf...I > forget) and uncommenting "universe" -- you'll get the whole debian > repository full of PPC stuff. There is a lot of stuff there. > > I'm not sure if "universe" is the entire debian collection, but it's > pretty substantial regardless. Rather than editing /etc/apt/sources.list by hand, you can take the user-friendly route: start Synaptic: System -> Administration -> Synaptic Package Manger in Synaptic, select the Repository configuration: Settings -> Repositories Click on the "Add" button and select the various components. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From scott at hosef.org Tue May 17 18:32:33 2005 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 08:32:33 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] eSchool News Article In-Reply-To: <428A373A.2000400@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <92de6c8805051621404d099808@mail.gmail.com> <001601c55af1$86837ef0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> <20050517164752.GB6821@sonic.net> <428A3074.3020001@inlandlakes.org> <428A373A.2000400@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <428A38C1.2050201@hosef.org> Eric Harrison wrote: > > > Rather than editing /etc/apt/sources.list by hand, you can take the > user-friendly route: > > > start Synaptic: > > System -> Administration -> Synaptic Package Manger > > > in Synaptic, select the Repository configuration: > > Settings -> Repositories > > > Click on the "Add" button and select the various components. > > And, if using Ubuntu and seeking edutainment, search for edutainment and select the packages. Not everything will come up with this query, but most of the apps will. > -Eric --scott From spowers at inlandlakes.org Tue May 17 18:38:39 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 14:38:39 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] New install (cc'd from offlist) In-Reply-To: <028201c55ae3$50a65040$1002a8c0@KAREN> References: <4288F086.1080103@inlandlakes.org> <01c601c55a60$92f70670$1002a8c0@KAREN> <4289252D.9010006@inlandlakes.org> <020a01c55a6e$904c2960$1002a8c0@KAREN> <52B87B11-BFBF-406B-B765-C9BE1DFC5F81@inlandlakes.org> <028201c55ae3$50a65040$1002a8c0@KAREN> Message-ID: <428A3A2F.1010805@inlandlakes.org> Karen: I CC'd this email to the listserv, others might have insight too -- we're a pretty helpful bunch. Listmembers: Karen asked about safedesk, which I'm not familiar with, and also mounting home directories from a windows server -- which I'm also not familiar with. Any insight would be great. hoffmann at fidnet.com wrote: > Would it be better to have a small server in each classroom or I server > that could handle all three classrooms? I've done both here -- and if your teacher is excited about *being in charge* of the system, and wants control over adding users, etc -- then a stand alone is the way to go. Unfortunately, 8 clients seems to be the breaking point for a "workstation class" server. After 8 clients, you really need SCSI drives (or maybe SATA, but I've never used SATA in a server, I just know that IDE starts to choke hard -- even if it's ATA133) If your teachers just want the computers to "work" when the kids sit down, and you are going to add accounts anyway -- I'd spend the money on a nicer single server. My 4th grade teacher that has been using K12LTSP for years wouldn't give up his server -- but I think that many other teachers have no interest in managing the server themselves. > Also, would you suggest just trying this with a small server (that would > handle 10 computers) first just to see if the teachers will accept it? [rather than installing into 3 classrooms at once] Yes. For sure. I would set up a regular workstation class machine (P4 desktop or so) with even 3 clients, just to see it in action. You might even want to get them set up, and call the teachers from home and get them to come in to see. Ask them some of the things they would like to do with the thin clients. See if you can accommodate them. Also, if you can have one of the donation-ware computers sitting next to a thin client, and have it running windows2000 absurdly slow -- it helps to show that the thin clients are not what determines the speed. Every teacher in our district has a PI-133 IBM computer on their desk, but since they are connected to a dual xeon 3.2ghz server, they are screaming fast. (Also note that I was paranoid about speed, so I run a very trimmed down desktop, running icewm instead of kde or gnome. I support over 100 thin clients on one server, and it's not maxing out at all...) > My husband and I are donating the funds for the server and the > programming of the server. I hate to spend too much money if the > teachers won't use it anyway. Ouch. I would go with one server instead of 3, I think that would save money. I would also try to use K12LTSP instead of safedesk (although that's just my opinion, I'm not familiar with safedesk AT ALL) since it's your money as well. If we can hook up your teachers with mine and the others that have contacted me regarding the teacher listserv, perhaps they'll be EXCITED once summer is over to try the computers they've been talking with thier peers about all summer... Yes, it's optimistic, but it's possible. :) I'm curious, did you pick the 3 teachers, or were they just "plopped" on you? Make sure they realize that you are excited about the possibility, and are giving your own money because you think it's worthwhile, but you can't do it without serious commitment and participation from them. Some mistakes I made? 1) I sold the idea to the administration. I did a good job, I had a comparative analysis of proprietary OS versus linux, etc. I saved (literally) $250,000. But I didnt' involve the teachers. They came into non-standard, cheap looking hardware, and were furious. Many of them still don't like me. And, they have reason -- I was wrong in my single pronged approach. Everyone talks about how hard it is to get school boards to approve non-microsoft products, so that's where I attacked. I should have started "grass roots" first. 2) I was not clear enough on the limitations of thin clients. Not having reliable sound, working floppy drives, and ability to install Walmart games apparently wasn't clear enough. I thought I made that clear. I did not. Be absurd in explaining the limitations. Mention that sound will work in some instances (it works in many), but it's not 100% reliable. Also, linux is not windows -- so you can't install "clifford's happy smacky reading carnival" from Walmart. (That was much more of a problem in the elementary) 3) TRAINING. That is what I'm trying to fix with my email to the list. I want to set up a community of support for teachers. I think that will help both in feeling secure, and in accountability. Oh, and the powerpoint thing -- OpenOffice does not have all the clipart. That sucks. There are some websites with free clipart, and using those along with file saving techniques (ie, save to home directory, and then insert file inside openoffice) prove to be effective. Part of it is trial and error. If the teachers know that going in, and see it as an opportunity to teach kids both how to make a powerpoint, AND how to edit/modify files opened on different computers, it can be a wonderful experience. Face it, in the real world, WE FACE THINGS LIKE THAT!!! Heck, versions of powerpoint vary in what they look like. Being able to cope with those things should be part of the learning process... Sorry to blabber on, I tend to do that... -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From jim at winonacotter.org Tue May 17 18:43:49 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 13:43:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] eSchool News Article In-Reply-To: <428A373A.2000400@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <002101c55b10$5d8a3470$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > >> PPC is one of the platforms Debian itself supports, > > > > > > yes -- I think editing /etc/apt/sources.list (or is it > > sources.conf...I > > forget) and uncommenting "universe" -- you'll get the whole debian > > repository full of PPC stuff. There is a lot of stuff there. > > > > I'm not sure if "universe" is the entire debian collection, > but it's > > pretty substantial regardless. > > Rather than editing /etc/apt/sources.list by hand, you can > take the user-friendly route: > > start Synaptic: > System -> Administration -> Synaptic Package Manger > in Synaptic, select the Repository configuration: > Settings -> Repositories > Click on the "Add" button and select the various components. Thanks for the suggestions. I am already asking around to see if I can get the school on-board with the idea. I'll start building my sample machine tonight. What better way to get people hooked than free samples ;-) I'll check into the USB Keychain idea as well. Makes sense since there are no floppies. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG Tue May 17 18:52:30 2005 From: hburroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Henry Burroughs) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 14:52:30 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Freezing/Pausing Student Programs in Mid-Use Message-ID: <1116355950.1906.7.camel@phoenix.hhp> I was reading my "Linux Server Hacks" book and found a cool way to freeze clients using root: skill -STOP -u That causes all processes that belong to the user to freeze. You can restart the user by: skill -CONT -u It beats trying to run xscreensaver and remotely locking the other computers (there are easy ways to disable/defeat that... I found out pretty quickly as I battled students one day). Henry Burroughs -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ssanders at coin.org Tue May 17 19:03:15 2005 From: ssanders at coin.org (Scott D. Sanders) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 14:03:15 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [K12OSN] intergrating k12ltsp In-Reply-To: <1116352278.2892.132.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: As mentioned, there are several place you can make everything match up. If you have QSECOFR access, you can also change the IP and route on the AS/400. CFGTCP will get you into TCP/IP configuration. The options for interfaces (where you can set the IP), routes and host table are all there. Even though in many ways the AS/400 is an antique, it can have multiple IP's, routes, and interfaces. I used IBM's Client Access/5250 package a few years ago, and I did not care for it. Mochasoft's TN5250 package works well, and is free: http://www.mochasoft.dk/download1linux.htm From crayj71 at yahoo.com Tue May 17 19:22:10 2005 From: crayj71 at yahoo.com (Chris Johnson) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 12:22:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] IBM Netvista 8364 EUS Sound config Message-ID: <20050517192210.67317.qmail@web50206.mail.yahoo.com> I was wondering if anyone could point me in the right direction to getting sound to work on these IBM thin clients. They are model # Netvista 8364 EUS and they have an onboard crystal 423x chip. I am using K12LTSP 4.2 (stock Install) and have not had much luck searching the archives or Google so far. Thanks in advance CJ __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail From scott at hancock.k12.mi.us Tue May 17 19:23:00 2005 From: scott at hancock.k12.mi.us (Scott Sherrill) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 15:23:00 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] New install (cc'd from offlist) In-Reply-To: <428A3A2F.1010805@inlandlakes.org> References: <4288F086.1080103@inlandlakes.org> <01c601c55a60$92f70670$1002a8c0@KAREN> <4289252D.9010006@inlandlakes.org> <020a01c55a6e$904c2960$1002a8c0@KAREN> <52B87B11-BFBF-406B-B765-C9BE1DFC5F81@inlandlakes.org> <028201c55ae3$50a65040$1002a8c0@KAREN> <428A3A2F.1010805@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <428A4494.8000503@hancock.k12.mi.us> > Some mistakes I made? > > 1) I sold the idea to the administration. I did a good job, I had a > comparative analysis of proprietary OS versus linux, etc. I saved > (literally) $250,000. But I didnt' involve the teachers. They came > into non-standard, cheap looking hardware, and were furious. Many of > them still don't like me. And, they have reason -- I was wrong in my > single pronged approach. Everyone talks about how hard it is to get > school boards to approve non-microsoft products, so that's where I > attacked. I should have started "grass roots" first. > Unfortunately I too was the victim of the aestatics(sp) bug. People (students and adults) judge the box by the age the machine *appears*. I had some secretaries running Win4Lin on top of LTSP on old P133's, but killer graphics cards. They complained, they sighed. I swapped em over this year one by one to the HP thin client and they all love their "new machines". I even have 2 running on laptops, and they think their's run the fastest of all because they are laptops ;-) > > 3) TRAINING. That is what I'm trying to fix with my email to the > list. I want to set up a community of support for teachers. I think > that will help both in feeling secure, and in accountability. > Agreeing with Shawn education about the power of Linux is another hurdle. The biggest squawker I have against Linux is always using the "well who else is using this Linux thing?" I've given him the #'s, I've given him other school districts, businesses etc. I've used the teach concepts not applications argument, I've assured him we will always have 3 OS's (Windows, Linux and OS X), but getting people past that Microsoft is everything mentality is HARD. > > Oh, and the powerpoint thing -- OpenOffice does not have all the > clipart. That sucks. There are some websites with free clipart, and > using those along with file saving techniques (ie, save to home > directory, and then insert file inside openoffice) prove to be > effective. Part of it is trial and error. If the teachers know that > going in, and see it as an opportunity to teach kids both how to make > a powerpoint, AND how to edit/modify files opened on different > computers, it can be a wonderful experience. Face it, in the real > world, WE FACE THINGS LIKE THAT!!! Heck, versions of powerpoint vary > in what they look like. Being able to cope with those things should > be part of the learning process... ClipArt is another problem. That was almost a show stopper for me too using Open Office. Never mind the kids almost 100% google images anyway. Text books are another hurdle that Shawn didn't specifically mention. Leaving the safety of a textbook is hard for some teachers too (if you are using Linux/OpenOffice etc as part of a computer course). I got so fed up with that "A course can't be taught w/o a textbook" argument I ended up teaching a class this year to prove you could. I ended up doing the whole course using Open Source software, all electronic (ala Moodle) and all without a text book. Did it help? I feel better anyway ;-) Scott From cliebow at downeast.net Tue May 17 19:18:35 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 19:18:35 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] IBM Netvista 8364 EUS Sound config Message-ID: <200505172132.j4HLWYB04863@downeast.net> chris:Might check with John Leonard..I know he has a pile of them.. i am working on the 8363exx..chuck johnny at MSAD41.US.. > I was wondering if anyone could point me in the right > direction to getting sound to work on these IBM thin > clients. They are model # Netvista 8364 EUS and they > have an onboard crystal 423x chip. I am using K12LTSP > 4.2 (stock Install) and have not had much luck > searching the archives or Google so far. > > Thanks in advance > CJ > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail Mobile > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From gary.frederick at jsoft.com Tue May 17 20:02:39 2005 From: gary.frederick at jsoft.com (Gary Frederick) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 15:02:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] eSchool News Article In-Reply-To: <4289EF4C.5020209@canterburyschool.org> References: <01d401c55a64$fff93a00$1002a8c0@KAREN> <92de6c8805051621404d099808@mail.gmail.com> <4289EF4C.5020209@canterburyschool.org> Message-ID: <428A4DDF.7070004@jsoft.com> I posted a pointer to the thread here on the OpenOffice.org education marketing email list. Perhaps there are some folks there that could help? Gary From scott at hosef.org Tue May 17 20:54:17 2005 From: scott at hosef.org (R. Scott Belford) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 10:54:17 -1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Professional Development and Teacher Collaboration In-Reply-To: <20050517100927.70014.qmail@web32810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050517100927.70014.qmail@web32810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <428A59F9.2060908@hosef.org> Rob Owens wrote: > > > A few months ago there was a fairly lengthy thread > about this. I guess it ended up going nowhere. But I > remember lots of discussion taking place on the topic, > so it would be worth searching for and contacting the > people involved, as some had volunteered to help set > something up. It got as far as RedHat being willing to set up an alternative list for teachers just as it hosts the K12OSN. I have observed that this seems to come up every 6 months or so. Perhaps it is time, or perhaps there is a reason why it comes up and is discussed with no resulting action. > > -Rob --scott From spowers at inlandlakes.org Tue May 17 21:19:06 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 17:19:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Professional Development and Teacher Collaboration In-Reply-To: <428A59F9.2060908@hosef.org> References: <20050517100927.70014.qmail@web32810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <428A59F9.2060908@hosef.org> Message-ID: <428A5FCA.8080800@inlandlakes.org> R. Scott Belford wrote: > It got as far as RedHat being willing to set up an alternative list for > teachers just as it hosts the K12OSN. Yikes... with the future shift away from redhat, perhaps it should *not* be hosted there. Thoughts? -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From carl at snarlnet.com Tue May 17 21:19:48 2005 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 14:19:48 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] yum installs Message-ID: <428A5FF4.7040000@snarlnet.com> Hi, Is there a way to get a list of all the packages that are available via yum? Y'know, so you know exactly what to type to get the package you want? I never know whether it's 'yum install apache' or 'yum install httpd'. That's just an example, I don't need to install apache, but I'm wondering what the list is? Thanks, ck From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Tue May 17 21:40:17 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 14:40:17 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Professional Development and Teacher Collaboration In-Reply-To: <428A5FCA.8080800@inlandlakes.org> References: <20050517100927.70014.qmail@web32810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <428A59F9.2060908@hosef.org> <428A5FCA.8080800@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <428A64C1.3080203@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Shawn Powers wrote: > > Yikes... with the future shift away from redhat, perhaps it should > *not* be hosted there. Thoughts? > There is no shift away from RedHat. I worry about people being confused by this aspect of free software. We are free to work with more than one "vendor", for the benefit of more than one "vendor". The Ubuntu folks are working hard on the problem set we specialize in here on this list (linux in schools, thin clients). Working with them on our common interests does not in any way mean we have to phase out working with others with the same interests. It just means that we all have more options to choose from. Keep in mind that Mark Shuttleworth, who funds Ubuntu development, also funds the deployment of K12LTSP[1]. On several occasions he has reminded me that he has a vested interest in the current version of K12LTSP being maintained ;-) -Eric [1] http://www.shuttleworthfoundation.org/index.php?option=content&task=blogsection&id=30 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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That's just an example, I don't need to install >> apache, but I'm wondering what the list is? yum list all You might want to dump that into a file yum list all > yumlist.txt -- Henry From mark at msdigitaldzines.com Wed May 18 00:13:59 2005 From: mark at msdigitaldzines.com (Msdigital) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 17:13:59 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OS X Server and Duplication Message-ID: <00cb01c55b3e$7eb617d0$6401a8c0@digital1> One question and a comment--- Is it possible to setup a G4 X Server into a duplicating server for my k12 LDAP Server? If not, what are the steps to creating a duplication server for my LDAP server using a PC. I am fairly new to LDAP, and as I play around with it more I am understanding the way it functions. But I am a bit confused about duplication server. As I understand it, a duplication server only duplicates login information( Username Password), but not home directory information. Only the Master has the home directory. IF the master fails, the nearest duplication server (slave) will allow user to login. Please correct me if I am wrong. --mark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed May 18 00:42:48 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 20:42:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Professional Development and Teacher Collaboration In-Reply-To: <428A64C1.3080203@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <20050517100927.70014.qmail@web32810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <428A59F9.2060908@hosef.org> <428A5FCA.8080800@inlandlakes.org> <428A64C1.3080203@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <428A8F88.7030709@inlandlakes.org> Eric Harrison wrote: > There is no shift away from RedHat. Awesome. Who do I contact to start a teacher list on the redhat server? Was there one created? (After a budget meeting today, I have a particular bug up my arse to make this happen...) Thanks for any pointers to the right person to contact, -Shawn the determined -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From drloomis at cox-internet.com Wed May 18 01:02:17 2005 From: drloomis at cox-internet.com (Dr. Daniel Loomis) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 20:02:17 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Intel 1000 MT Quad NIC Message-ID: <1116378137.4890.5.camel@harpo.curmudgeon.not> Does anyone have experience using the Intel 1000 MT Quad NIC with Fedora/LTSP? I have the opportunity to buy one at a good price, but could not discern if it was compatible. Having four 1gig NICs on one PCI board would be a real boon to for multiple subnets or channel bonding for high bandwidth apps. Dan From debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au Wed May 18 01:04:19 2005 From: debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au (Debbie Schiel) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 11:04:19 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Best FTP Server In-Reply-To: <20050516233600.XWJA12158.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> References: <20050516233600.XWJA12158.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Message-ID: <20050518110419.v2qcicqcqkcg0wck@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> Hi All, I've setup our webserver (an old PII running Redhat Linux Fedora 2) and would like to be able to FTP php/html files from another machine (on a regular basis) into /var/www/html/. I'm using webmin 1.150 and there are several FTP options (am I on the right track?) WU-FTP Server, Frox FTP Proxy, and ProFTPD Server. Which do people recommend I use? Thanks, Debbie -- http://www.redeemer.qld.edu.au From ericbrown at mi-spot.com Wed May 18 01:19:13 2005 From: ericbrown at mi-spot.com (Eric Brown) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 20:19:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Professional Development and Teacher Collaboration In-Reply-To: <428A8F88.7030709@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <200505180108.j4I18OH27328@www.mi-spot.com> Hello Shawn, I've been following this thread. I've been interested to see this thread take off. I'm a teacher, and I set up my own K12LTSP lab because our tech coordinator is too interested in other things. I'm also an open source evangilist, always trying to pitch the free stuff when I can. Just like someone pointed out earlier, it'd be great to get this list started, but it won't go anywhere unless you get some teachers on board. I'd love to help get this ball rolling so we'd have some text books to show to all the nay sayers. Eric -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Powers Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 7:43 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Professional Development and Teacher Collaboration Eric Harrison wrote: > There is no shift away from RedHat. Awesome. Who do I contact to start a teacher list on the redhat server? Was there one created? (After a budget meeting today, I have a particular bug up my arse to make this happen...) Thanks for any pointers to the right person to contact, -Shawn the determined -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed May 18 01:36:12 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 21:36:12 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Professional Development and Teacher Collaboration In-Reply-To: <200505180108.j4I18OH27328@www.mi-spot.com> References: <200505180108.j4I18OH27328@www.mi-spot.com> Message-ID: <428A9C0C.4010103@inlandlakes.org> Eric Brown wrote: > I'd love to help get this ball rolling so we'd have some text books to show > to all the nay sayers. Thank you much Eric -- it *will* happen, I promise. :) Even if the list is just me blabbering to any unwilling subscribers! I am not a teacher, so I have to be careful how and what I say. If I can't figure out who/where/when to contact regarding a Redhat hosted listserv, I'll host it myself. I like the idea of it being hosted by Redhat though, so I'm going to try hard for that one. (not just to take the pressure off me, but let's be honest -- Redhat is a well known name!) I *will* host a web based contributers-welcome site though, which I hope to get running tomorrow. I'm going to press my few excited teachers to put information up as soon as possible. If it turns out to deserve a domain name, I'll spring for that too. (Or like my other email said, bum a subdomain) I do want to be careful that I don't reinvent the wheel, however, because there are a ton of great resources already available. (the wiki, this list, slashdot ;) etc) I just want to focus on classroom skills, teaching methods, lesson plan ideas, moodle-using, wacky-and-wonderful-web-things, and such the like. Basically the things I have no experience with! -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed May 18 01:39:55 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 21:39:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Best FTP Server In-Reply-To: <20050518110419.v2qcicqcqkcg0wck@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> References: <20050516233600.XWJA12158.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> <20050518110419.v2qcicqcqkcg0wck@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> Message-ID: <428A9CEB.1010901@inlandlakes.org> Debbie Schiel wrote: > Which do people recommend I use? I think the only FTP server that *comes* with K12LTSP is vsftpd -- but it works great. :) The newer version might have wuftpd and such, but I know the older versions only had vsftpd. Try 'yum install vsftpd' -- and see if it installs. Unfortunately, I don't think there is a webmin module for administering it -- it might be good ol' command line editing the config file. -Shawn (someone correct me if I'm wrong, please!) -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed May 18 02:24:47 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 19:24:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Professional Development and Teacher Collaboration In-Reply-To: <428A3271.2060106@inlandlakes.org> References: <428A0E5C.6080405@svstrut.org> <428A3271.2060106@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 17 May 2005, Shawn Powers wrote: > I figure a listserv for teachers with a searchable archive would be needed, > and hopefully many of us would subscribe (keeping the topics curricular rather > than technical). I might officially ask for some subdomain-love from the > k12ltsp.org owner -- but only if the end product merits the name. ;) Paul Nelson is the owner of k12ltsp.org. I manage the authoritative DNS. Some subdomain-love should not be too difficult to arrange ;-) -Eric From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed May 18 02:55:11 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 22:55:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Request for articles (personal request) Message-ID: <4B991699-7DF2-44BC-B724-04F34D7F89C0@inlandlakes.org> Sorry for my recent spamming of the list... My superintendent just asked me for a list of articles regarding businesses, governments, states, schools, colleges, other countries, personal education success stories, etc that have moved to OSS and or Linux. *HE* wants to present to the school board at our Monday board meeting. I have been doing some off-the-cuff research, and found recent things like Peru's government and the UK report, but would you folks mind bombarding me (offlist, please) with as many articles, links, etc that you can? This is a chance for OSS evangelism to come FROM someone other than me in my district, so I want arm the super (also my boss) as well as I can. Thank you very, very much, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From pnelson at riverdale.k12.or.us Wed May 18 03:18:32 2005 From: pnelson at riverdale.k12.or.us (Paul Nelson) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 20:18:32 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Professional Development and Teacher Collaboration In-Reply-To: <20050518014010.3AAFD73336@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050518014010.3AAFD73336@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <428AB408.8000907@riverdale.k12.or.us> Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 20:42:48 -0400 From: Shawn Powers Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Professional Development and Teacher Collaboration To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." >> There is no shift away from RedHat. >Awesome. Who do I contact to start a teacher list on the redhat server? > Was there one created? >(After a budget meeting today, I have a particular bug up my arse to >make this happen...) >Thanks for any pointers to the right person to contact, >-Shawn the determined Hello Shawn, I manage the K12OSN list. I'll get us another one for FOSS based curriculum. In the past we've talked about valuing the teachers on this list and not removing them from the tech folks. I still think that's a good goal but I also see the need for curriculum focused discussions. Let's see what happens. ;-) Paul -- ====================================================================== Paul Nelson - Make things better. http://pnelson.us From sudev at mantraonline.com Wed May 18 04:00:28 2005 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 09:30:28 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Freezing/Pausing Student Programs in Mid-Use In-Reply-To: <1116355950.1906.7.camel@phoenix.hhp> References: <1116355950.1906.7.camel@phoenix.hhp> Message-ID: <1116388828.23809.0.camel@server.ltsp> On Tue, 2005-05-17 at 14:52 -0400, Henry Burroughs wrote: > I was reading my "Linux Server Hacks" book and found a cool way to > freeze clients using root: > > skill -STOP -u > > That causes all processes that belong to the user to freeze. You can > restart the user by: > > skill -CONT -u > > It beats trying to run xscreensaver and remotely locking the other > computers (there are easy ways to disable/defeat that... I found out > pretty quickly as I battled students one day). Thanks and very interesting. WIKI this? -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed May 18 04:09:17 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 00:09:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Professional Development and Teacher Collaboration In-Reply-To: <428AB408.8000907@riverdale.k12.or.us> References: <20050518014010.3AAFD73336@hormel.redhat.com> <428AB408.8000907@riverdale.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <428ABFED.3000805@inlandlakes.org> Paul Nelson wrote: > In the past we've talked about valuing the teachers on this > list and not removing them from the tech folks. I still think that's a > good goal but I also see the need for curriculum focused discussions. > Let's see what happens. I am hoping for a TON of crossover. :) Thank you, Paul, for your willingness to set this up. -Shawn (We might also want to consider some sort of "k12osn-newbie" list eventually. I got an email from someone that is the "tech" but overwhelmed with the list's geek factor. :) We aren't unfriendly, but we tend to talk about confusing things often. I don't know the answer, but we should consider those newbie folks that have legitimate questions, but are afraid to ask) -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From nbs at sonic.net Wed May 18 05:46:30 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 22:46:30 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Request for articles (personal request) In-Reply-To: <4B991699-7DF2-44BC-B724-04F34D7F89C0@inlandlakes.org> References: <4B991699-7DF2-44BC-B724-04F34D7F89C0@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <20050518054630.GA23998@sonic.net> On Tue, May 17, 2005 at 10:55:11PM -0400, Shawn Powers wrote: > Sorry for my recent spamming of the list... > > My superintendent just asked me for a list of articles regarding > businesses, governments, states, schools, colleges, other countries, > personal education success stories, etc that have moved to OSS and or > Linux. *HE* wants to present to the school board at our Monday board > meeting. If you hit the "Edu" filter on the "Reasons to Avoid Microsoft" page that I run on my local LUG's website, you'll hopefully find some useful stuff: http://www.lugod.org/microsoft/?filter=edu The "Linux/OSS" filter is pretty good, too, though not specifically to do with schools: http://www.lugod.org/microsoft/?filter=linux > I have been doing some off-the-cuff research, and found recent things > like Peru's government and the UK report, but would you folks mind > bombarding me (offlist, please) with as many articles, links, etc > that you can? This is a chance for OSS evangelism to come FROM > someone other than me in my district, so I want arm the super (also > my boss) as well as I can. Of course, if I see anything good here in response to your request, I'll probably add it to my page above. >:^) > Thank you very, very much, Good luck!!! -bill! From gary.frederick at jsoft.com Wed May 18 09:03:42 2005 From: gary.frederick at jsoft.com (Gary Frederick) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 04:03:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] How do I route mail to unknown users to one account In-Reply-To: <1116300222.11946.3.camel@server.ltsp> References: <1116253879.28089.15.camel@server.ltsp> <1116300222.11946.3.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <428B04EE.6080102@jsoft.com> Howdy, I have an account that is used to do administrative stuff. I had root's mail forwarded to that account. I switched root's alias to the auser account (thanks Sudev) and things are 'better' but not what I want. I'm trying to get a better handle on spam. Say I have the following root - gets all the root email theuser - the admin for the system auser - gets all the email to unknown users I was getting everything on theuser and filtering. If I have an auser account that does not also have root email I can assume that most of the email is spam and score it accordingly. I may also be able to set something up where if an email goes to auser and to other users, it's a mass mailing and probably spam. So, I now have all of the unknown users AND all of the root email going to auser. I will try to find where sendmail sets up sending all the unknown users to root and why the LUSER_RELAY is not catching them. I was thinking of asking on the sendmail list, but wanted to ask here first to see about the k12ltsp specific configuration. Thanks, Gary Sudev Barar wrote: >On Mon, 2005-05-16 at 09:31 -0500, Gary Frederick wrote: > > >>Howdy >> >>I added this line to /etc/mail/sendmail.mc >> >>define(`LUSER_RELAY',`local:auser at jsoft.com') >> >>and did this >> >>m4 sendmail.mc >sendmail.cf >>service sendmail restart >> >>I can send email to auser but email to unknown users still goes to me >>rather than auser? >> >>What did I do wrong? >> >> > >Delivered to you means delivered to root? >If yes then instead of above editing /etc/aliases and changing the >postmaster line will work. Remember to run as root newaliases command >after any change in aliases file. >HTH > > > From gary.frederick at jsoft.com Wed May 18 09:11:52 2005 From: gary.frederick at jsoft.com (Gary Frederick) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 04:11:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] can I get some info on Thin Clients/ Diskless Workstations Message-ID: <428B06D8.1040604@jsoft.com> Howdy, I was working on some documentation on the workshop we are doing for kids in a few weeks and got to wondering about what I can say to them about Thin Clients and Diskless Workstations. The lab will include some computers that are Diskless Workstations. The rest of the computers will (mostly) be XP laptops (mostly) and some computers with Linux installed. Do I have any thin clients? What is the difference between a thin client and a diskless workstation? sigh... so many questions - a few weeks left Thanks, Gary From gumprechtm at msln.net Wed May 18 10:39:48 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 06:39:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Intel 1000 MT Quad NIC In-Reply-To: <1116378137.4890.5.camel@harpo.curmudgeon.not> References: <1116378137.4890.5.camel@harpo.curmudgeon.not> Message-ID: <428B1B74.3060603@msln.net> Dan, I do not have quad nics, but I do know that the intel 1000mt does work with, I believe, 4.0.1 or better. I tried earlier versions and ended up with kernel panics. I didn't have time to see if it was a simple issue or not. New version came out and fixed the issue. hth Mark Dr. Daniel Loomis wrote: >Does anyone have experience using the Intel 1000 MT Quad NIC with >Fedora/LTSP? I have the opportunity to buy one at a good price, but >could not discern if it was compatible. > >Having four 1gig NICs on one PCI board would be a real boon to for >multiple subnets or channel bonding for high bandwidth apps. > >Dan > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From jim at winonacotter.org Wed May 18 13:19:18 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 08:19:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Intel 1000 MT Quad NIC In-Reply-To: <1116378137.4890.5.camel@harpo.curmudgeon.not> Message-ID: <001201c55bac$321e5b80$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Does anyone have experience using the Intel 1000 MT Quad NIC > with Fedora/LTSP? I have the opportunity to buy one at a > good price, but could not discern if it was compatible. > > Having four 1gig NICs on one PCI board would be a real boon > to for multiple subnets or channel bonding for high bandwidth apps. I don't have any Quad NICs but I have a couple servers running with the Intel 1000 MT Dual NICs. Been running a year now in WBEL without any hickups. They are not on LTSP Servers but I would imagine if they work for WBEL they will certainly work for the new Fedora. I have them set up with adaptor teaming using ANS software provided by Intel. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Wed May 18 13:25:45 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 08:25:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Best FTP Server In-Reply-To: <428A9CEB.1010901@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <001301c55bad$18b91620$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > I think the only FTP server that *comes* with K12LTSP is > vsftpd -- but > it works great. :) > > The newer version might have wuftpd and such, but I know the older > versions only had vsftpd. Try 'yum install vsftpd' -- and see if it > installs. > > Unfortunately, I don't think there is a webmin module for > administering > it -- it might be good ol' command line editing the config file. VSFTPD works awesome and from what I read when I chose to use it is it is extremely secure and stable. I have been running that for almost 2 years now without a hitch. There is a Webmin Module for it in the Third Party section, but honestly you won't need it. Users pull from you local system accounts and there really is nothing to admin the app itself once it is running. The module is fairly minimal for its controls. The only change I made is to chroot users so they cannot traverse the machine after login. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Wed May 18 13:33:32 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 08:33:32 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Freezing/Pausing Student Programs in Mid-Use In-Reply-To: <1116388828.23809.0.camel@server.ltsp> Message-ID: <001401c55bae$2ef25e00$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > On Tue, 2005-05-17 at 14:52 -0400, Henry Burroughs wrote: > > I was reading my "Linux Server Hacks" book and found a cool way to > > freeze clients using root: > > > > skill -STOP -u > > > > That causes all processes that belong to the user to > freeze. You can > > restart the user by: > > > > skill -CONT -u > > > > It beats trying to run xscreensaver and remotely locking the other > > computers (there are easy ways to disable/defeat that... I > found out > > pretty quickly as I battled students one day). Shouldn't this be fairly easy to integrate into TeacherTool? Highlight a name on the left, click button on the right for stop/start user? If TeacherTool were to be revamped into a more sophisticated gui maybe a select all or ctrl select certain names on the left in conjunction with the new start/stop button could be very usefull. What happened to the TeacherTool guy? I remember him popping up a few months ago and suggesting that he would revamp things and add new features. HEY MAN....IF YOURE OUT THERE WE'D LOVE THE HELP :-) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From les at futuresource.com Wed May 18 13:41:12 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 08:41:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Best FTP Server In-Reply-To: <20050518110419.v2qcicqcqkcg0wck@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> References: <20050516233600.XWJA12158.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> <20050518110419.v2qcicqcqkcg0wck@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> Message-ID: <1116423671.10184.4.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-05-17 at 20:04, Debbie Schiel wrote: > Hi All, > > I've setup our webserver (an old PII running Redhat Linux Fedora 2) and would > like to be able to FTP php/html files from another machine (on a > regular basis) > into /var/www/html/. > > I'm using webmin 1.150 and there are several FTP options (am I on the right > track?) WU-FTP Server, Frox FTP Proxy, and ProFTPD Server. > > Which do people recommend I use? If you are working with something that already has the ftp protocol built in, set up vsftpd which should be included with Redhat. If you control both ends, use some variation of scp or sftp which will run over ssh, and if you have a complete copy of the site where you edit and preview, you can use 'rsync -essh ...' to copy the changes over with only ssh on the target end. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Wed May 18 13:41:38 2005 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 21:41:38 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] can I get some info on Thin Clients/ Diskless Workstations In-Reply-To: <428B06D8.1040604@jsoft.com> References: <428B06D8.1040604@jsoft.com> Message-ID: <1116423699.8614.67.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2005-05-18 at 04:11 -0500, Gary Frederick wrote: -snip- > What is the difference between a thin client and a diskless workstation? (Since perhaps all the gurus have gone from the list at the moment (various time differences in other parts of the world?) I will venture to have a stab at this for you from info gleaned from my years of lurking and learning on such topics.) The one-line answer is that. in essence, the definition "thin client" and "diskless workstation" mean the same thing :-). However, one definition is clearly more explicit about the hardware state of the client PC. Perhaps for this reason it has been adopted almost as a Trade Mark by the LTSP crew, chief maintainer being Jim McQuillan (see the LTSP mailing list). Jim frequents this list and adds his pearls of wisdom here, too. In fact, you'll find that he has been involved in setting up a commercial hardware venture entitled http://www.disklessworkstation.com/ It seems to have evolved that anything that is "fanless", low power consumption, and in a purpose-built mini box is more likely to be called a diskless workstation (see the above link for examples). On the other hand, a thin client is more typically a legacy PC (low-grade Pentium) that has had its hard drive removed (and maybe floppy and CD) so that it boots and runs only from the network. But, they are still the same thing in how they work. On the other hand, if you have any sort of PC or laptop that has a hard drive and is capable of working independent of the network then it is often called a "chubby" client when you use it to log onto a LTSP environment. HTH -- Regards, Gavin Chester From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed May 18 14:05:12 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 10:05:12 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] can I get some info on Thin Clients/ Diskless Workstations In-Reply-To: <1116423699.8614.67.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <428B06D8.1040604@jsoft.com> <1116423699.8614.67.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <428B4B98.1050400@inlandlakes.org> Gavin Chester wrote: > "chubby" client when you use it to log onto a LTSP environment. Yay! My coined term stuck. I actually made that up describing a PowerPC computer that ran X locally and queried the LTSP server. A "thick" client generally refers to a computer running the os locally. "chubby" client still makes me laugh... -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From aslansreturn at yahoo.com Wed May 18 14:12:14 2005 From: aslansreturn at yahoo.com (richard ingalls) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 07:12:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] New install (cc'd from offlist) In-Reply-To: <428A3A2F.1010805@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <20050518141214.86001.qmail@web52909.mail.yahoo.com> > Oh, and the powerpoint thing -- OpenOffice does not > have all the > clipart. That sucks. There are some websites with > free clipart, and > using those along with file saving techniques (ie, > save to home > directory, and then insert file inside openoffice) > prove to be > effective. Part of it is trial and error. If the > teachers know that > going in, and see it as an opportunity to teach kids > both how to make a > powerpoint, AND how to edit/modify files opened on > different computers, > it can be a wonderful experience. Face it, in the > real world, WE FACE > THINGS LIKE THAT!!! Heck, versions of powerpoint > vary in what they look > like. Being able to cope with those things should > be part of the > learning process... > > Sorry to blabber on, I tend to do that... > > -Shawn If people want Microsoft's clipart they just need to go their website and get it! I do it with my students all the time - and we use OpenOffice ONLY. http://office.microsoft.com/clipart/default.aspx?lc=en-us Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html From dyioulos at firstbhph.com Wed May 18 14:15:13 2005 From: dyioulos at firstbhph.com (Dimitri Yioulos) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 10:15:13 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Best FTP Server In-Reply-To: <1116423671.10184.4.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> References: <20050516233600.XWJA12158.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> <20050518110419.v2qcicqcqkcg0wck@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> <1116423671.10184.4.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1116425713.6530.10.camel@mepis1> On Wed, 2005-05-18 at 08:41 -0500, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Tue, 2005-05-17 at 20:04, Debbie Schiel wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > I've setup our webserver (an old PII running Redhat Linux Fedora 2) and would > > like to be able to FTP php/html files from another machine (on a > > regular basis) > > into /var/www/html/. > > > > I'm using webmin 1.150 and there are several FTP options (am I on the right > > track?) WU-FTP Server, Frox FTP Proxy, and ProFTPD Server. > > > > Which do people recommend I use? > > If you are working with something that already has the ftp protocol > built in, set up vsftpd which should be included with Redhat. If you > control both ends, use some variation of scp or sftp which will run > over ssh, and if you have a complete copy of the site where you edit > and preview, you can use 'rsync -essh ...' to copy the changes over > with only ssh on the target end. > I use proftpd. IMHE, it hasn't been that easy to set up, and support ain't great. But it is very configurable, and once you do get it set up, it's fast and secure. From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed May 18 14:35:55 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 10:35:55 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Teacher Site Message-ID: <428B52CB.60909@inlandlakes.org> Ok, I have a very new (ie, content lacking) site up. I am contacting some of my teachers about getting involved, and encourage everyone here that is interested to participate. If Paul desires the site to have K12LTSP.org affiliation, that can happen -- but the existing site name will still be valid as well. http://linux.inlandlakes.org The listserv is not active yet, but there is a discussion forum for those wishing to actively participate in the future of the site. Thanks, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From gumprechtm at msln.net Wed May 18 14:44:51 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 10:44:51 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Teacher Site In-Reply-To: <428B52CB.60909@inlandlakes.org> References: <428B52CB.60909@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <428B54E3.4050803@msln.net> Shawn, Is it ok to include a link on our district website to this? Or not quite yet? Mark Shawn Powers wrote: > Ok, I have a very new (ie, content lacking) site up. I am contacting > some of my teachers about getting involved, and encourage everyone > here that is interested to participate. > > If Paul desires the site to have K12LTSP.org affiliation, that can > happen -- but the existing site name will still be valid as well. > > http://linux.inlandlakes.org > > The listserv is not active yet, but there is a discussion forum for > those wishing to actively participate in the future of the site. > > Thanks, > -Shawn > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Wed May 18 14:46:05 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 07:46:05 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Request for articles (personal request) In-Reply-To: <4B991699-7DF2-44BC-B724-04F34D7F89C0@inlandlakes.org> References: <4B991699-7DF2-44BC-B724-04F34D7F89C0@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: I've tried to collect a lot of this material on my website under http://www.technologyrescue.com/moreinformation.html Hope there is some good stuff there for you. -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.technologyrescue.com From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed May 18 14:49:23 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 10:49:23 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Teacher Site In-Reply-To: <428B54E3.4050803@msln.net> References: <428B52CB.60909@inlandlakes.org> <428B54E3.4050803@msln.net> Message-ID: <428B55F3.8050906@inlandlakes.org> Mark Gumprecht wrote: > Shawn, > Is it ok to include a link on our district website to this? Or not quite > yet? You can, by all means -- but you might want to wait a day or two, until there is some useful content. (Unless you think making a link will GENERATE useful content... hehehehe...) -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From les at futuresource.com Wed May 18 14:48:04 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 09:48:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] can I get some info on Thin Clients/ Diskless Workstations In-Reply-To: <428B06D8.1040604@jsoft.com> References: <428B06D8.1040604@jsoft.com> Message-ID: <1116427683.21363.9.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-05-18 at 04:11, Gary Frederick wrote: > I was working on some documentation on the workshop we are doing for > kids in a few weeks and got to wondering about what I can say to them > about Thin Clients and Diskless Workstations. The lab will include some > computers that are Diskless Workstations. The rest of the computers will > (mostly) be XP laptops (mostly) and some computers with Linux installed. > > Do I have any thin clients? > > What is the difference between a thin client and a diskless workstation? "Thin client" normally means that the box on the desktop runs nothing but an X server - that is, it only handles the display and keyboard while the window manager or "desktop environment" along will all applications run on a remote server. This could also apply to a citrix or RDP (windows terminal services) client. A "diskless workstation" may be a thin client or it may mount remote disks and load applications to run locally. To make things even more confusing, any machine might run a mix of local and remote applications, with or without local disks, and it is also possible to run the X window manager locally but some or all of the applications remotely. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From bill at computassist.com Wed May 18 15:08:55 2005 From: bill at computassist.com (Bill Bardon) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 10:08:55 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] New install (cc'd from offlist) In-Reply-To: <20050518141214.86001.qmail@web52909.mail.yahoo.com> References: <428A3A2F.1010805@inlandlakes.org> <20050518141214.86001.qmail@web52909.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050518100855.65b7f83d@localhost.localdomain> On Wednesday, May 18 richard ingalls wrote: > If people want Microsoft's clipart they just need to > go their website and get it! I do it with my students > all the time - and we use OpenOffice ONLY. > > http://office.microsoft.com/clipart/default.aspx?lc=en-us Technically, their End User License Agreement, which you have to click through to download the clip art, prohibits you from downloading if you don't have a license for one of their products: "IF YOU DO NOT HAVE A VALID LICENSE FOR ONE OF THE FOLLOWING SOFTWARE PRODUCTS (EACH A "SOFTWARE PRODUCT"), YOU ARE NOT AUTHORIZED TO INSTALL, COPY OR OTHERWISE USE THE SOFTWARE: Office 2003 System, or any of its applications, or any product which includes Microsoft Clip Gallery or Microsoft Clip Organizer." One has to be careful about licenses these days! -- Bill Bardon COMPUTASSIST Omaha, Nebraska http://www.computassist.com From jim at winonacotter.org Wed May 18 16:36:14 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 11:36:14 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] can I get some info on Thin Clients/Diskless Workstations In-Reply-To: <428B4B98.1050400@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <001501c55bc7$b52bc010$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > "chubby" client still makes me laugh... The phrase stuck with me. I use it all of the time. It is the only time I can call something chubby and not offend someone. Makes me laugh as well, thanks for the cool lingo :-) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Wed May 18 16:46:58 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 11:46:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] New install (cc'd from offlist) In-Reply-To: <20050518100855.65b7f83d@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <001601c55bc9$3508cb10$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > "IF YOU DO NOT HAVE A VALID LICENSE FOR ONE OF THE FOLLOWING > SOFTWARE PRODUCTS (EACH A "SOFTWARE PRODUCT"), YOU ARE NOT > AUTHORIZED TO INSTALL, COPY OR OTHERWISE USE THE SOFTWARE: > Office 2003 System, or any of its applications, or any > product which includes Microsoft Clip Gallery or Microsoft > Clip Organizer." Does that really say that you can't use the Clipart, or does it say you cannot use any Microsoft Product to access/use the clipart without a license? -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Wed May 18 16:48:40 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 11:48:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Teacher Site In-Reply-To: <428B52CB.60909@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <001701c55bc9$71ea1ed0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Ok, I have a very new (ie, content lacking) site up. I am contacting > some of my teachers about getting involved, and encourage > everyone here > that is interested to participate. > > If Paul desires the site to have K12LTSP.org affiliation, that can > happen -- but the existing site name will still be valid as well. I had trouble logging in with the link contained in the right hand pane after signing up for an account. The left hand login window worked fine. You may just want to verify that this works. The link just timed out for me. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed May 18 16:52:20 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 12:52:20 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Teacher Site In-Reply-To: <001701c55bc9$71ea1ed0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001701c55bc9$71ea1ed0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <428B72C4.1000003@inlandlakes.org> Jim Kronebusch wrote: > I had trouble logging in with the link contained in the right hand pane > after signing up for an account. The left hand login window worked > fine. You may just want to verify that this works. The link just timed > out for me. Hmm... I just created another user, and didn't have a problem with any login links I found... If someone can verify a problem, I'll see what is wrong. Hopefully it was just a fluke. (I just used a stock install of geeklog, I claim no ownership of the prettiness of the site. :) -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From hick518 at yahoo.com Wed May 18 17:11:05 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 10:11:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] New install (cc'd from offlist) In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050518171105.59861.qmail@web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Jim Kronebusch wrote: > > "IF YOU DO NOT HAVE A VALID LICENSE FOR ONE OF THE > FOLLOWING > > SOFTWARE PRODUCTS (EACH A "SOFTWARE PRODUCT"), YOU > ARE NOT > > AUTHORIZED TO INSTALL, COPY OR OTHERWISE USE THE > SOFTWARE: > > Office 2003 System, or any of its applications, or > any > > product which includes Microsoft Clip Gallery or > Microsoft > > Clip Organizer." > > Does that really say that you can't use the Clipart, > or does it say you > cannot use any Microsoft Product to access/use the > clipart without a > license? Sounds to me like they're saying you can't use Office or any Microsoft product which includes clipart. I'm not sure that's what they meant, but it seems to me that's what they said... -Rob Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html From hick518 at yahoo.com Wed May 18 17:36:43 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 10:36:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] exclude file for rsync backups Message-ID: <20050518173643.23772.qmail@web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Does anybody have an exlude file that they'd care to share with me? I'm looking to do backups via rsync and I don't want to back up junk like web browser cache, deleted emails, etc. I've been browsing all the hidden files in my home directory to find the useless stuff, but if somebody has already done that work I'd appreciate hearing about it. -Rob Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html From bill at computassist.com Wed May 18 17:45:16 2005 From: bill at computassist.com (Bill Bardon) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 12:45:16 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] New install (cc'd from offlist) In-Reply-To: <001601c55bc9$3508cb10$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <20050518100855.65b7f83d@localhost.localdomain> <001601c55bc9$3508cb10$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <20050518124516.05b87c76@localhost.localdomain> On Wednesday, May 18 Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Does that really say that you can't use the Clipart, or does it say > you cannot use any Microsoft Product to access/use the clipart without > a license? IANAL, so I'm just quoting what's in their EULA. To see the whole thing in context, go to the clipart site, select an image, click the Download link above the images, and the next thing you will see is the entire EULA. To me, it seems to say that you can't use the images unless you have a license for Office, et. al. -- Bill Bardon COMPUTASSIST Omaha, Nebraska http://www.computassist.com From les at futuresource.com Wed May 18 18:08:28 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 13:08:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] exclude file for rsync backups In-Reply-To: <20050518173643.23772.qmail@web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050518173643.23772.qmail@web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1116439708.21363.26.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-05-18 at 12:36, Rob Owens wrote: > Does anybody have an exlude file that they'd care to > share with me? I'm looking to do backups via rsync > and I don't want to back up junk like web browser > cache, deleted emails, etc. > > I've been browsing all the hidden files in my home > directory to find the useless stuff, but if somebody > has already done that work I'd appreciate hearing > about it. If you used backuppc, the compression and pooling would save enough space that you wouldn't have to worry about little things like that - except maybe /proc, /var/spool/squid/, and slocate.db. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From hick518 at yahoo.com Wed May 18 18:30:16 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 11:30:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] exclude file for rsync backups In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050518183016.78833.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Les, What I'm using (or planning to use) is rsnapshot. It doesn't do compression, but it uses rsync and hard links to save many, many copies in not too much space. (Anything that hasn't changed from yesterday's backup to today's is saved as a hard link, and only new stuff is copied in full). backuppc sounds cool and I'll probably use it someday, but right now I'm gonna use rsnapshot mostly because it fits into my learning curve. I'm trying to have a very deep understanding of everything I do to my system, so I'm taking a baby step from using tar to using rsnapshot. Anyway, my setup will be doing a full backup every 4 hours. It will save the last 6 instances of this backup, plus it will save 7 daily backups and 4 weekly backups. Again, it can do this w/o taking up much space because most of it is hard links. But something that changes constantly, like browser cache, will take up space each time it is backed up. For instance, right now my browser cache file is about 20 MB. If each day my browser cache gets flushed and refilled with 20 MB of new files, I'll be saving 20 x (7daily + 4weekly) = 220 MB of useless junk. It's not much, I admit, but multiplied by a few users and considering this is for a small home system, I'd rather not save it. Thanks for the input. I'll be looking into backuppc, but I think if I used it I still might want to put together a fairly comprehensive exclude file. Let me know if you think I'm being ridiculous... -Rob --- Les Mikesell wrote: > On Wed, 2005-05-18 at 12:36, Rob Owens wrote: > > Does anybody have an exlude file that they'd care > to > > share with me? I'm looking to do backups via > rsync > > and I don't want to back up junk like web browser > > cache, deleted emails, etc. > > > > I've been browsing all the hidden files in my home > > directory to find the useless stuff, but if > somebody > > has already done that work I'd appreciate hearing > > about it. > > If you used backuppc, the compression and pooling > would save > enough space that you wouldn't have to worry about > little > things like that - except maybe /proc, > /var/spool/squid/, and > slocate.db. > > -- > Les Mikesell > les at futuresource.com > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Yahoo! 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Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail From mwebb at addisonboot.com Wed May 18 20:27:51 2005 From: mwebb at addisonboot.com (mike webb) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 15:27:51 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: intergrating k12ltsp In-Reply-To: <428BA4DF.5020204@addisonboot.com> References: <428A1EF2.70902@addisonboot.com> <428BA4DF.5020204@addisonboot.com> Message-ID: <428BA547.3040208@addisonboot.com> mike webb wrote: > mike webb wrote: > >> what i have now: >> >> a dsl modem that acts as a dhcp server, our address range is >> 192.168.3.10 ? 192.168.3.255 >> >> the dsl modems address is 192.168.3.7 >> >> >> an as400 mainframe that we connect to via frame relay,its address is >> 10.0.0.2 , it has a gateway address of 192.168.3.1. all the windows >> machines that must be able to reach the as400 and the internet have a >> little batch file that i created to run on startup. the batch file >> reads as so. >> >> route add 0.0.0.0 192.168.3.7 >> >> route add 10.0.0.2 192.168.3.1 >> >> >> what i've added lately: >> >> one of the ethernet lines from the dsl modem runs into eth1 of an >> k12ltsp server, it gives the server an ?outside? address of >> 192.168.3.208. coming out of eth0 is a line which runs to a switch >> and branches out to 4 other computers, all of these computers are >> running cygwin. >> >> the installation of the k12ltsp is totally stock, so eth0 is set to >> 192.168.0.254. and it hands out the ip addresses for the 4 terminals >> >> >> we've been testing k12ltsp now for three or four weeks and thinks >> this system rocks. but i have to make changes to the system that i >> don't think i can't do alone. this is what i would like to be able to >> do. we all need to be on one network 192.168.3.*** . the k12ltsp >> server has an address of 192.168.3.208, it has no internal ethernet >> card. every computer within our factory can access the k12ltsp server >> via cygwin we would use the command xwin -query 192.168.3.208. as >> cygwin starts up the k12ltsp server needs to be able to tell cygwin >> that to reach the internet go out thru 192.168.3.7 but to reach >> address 10.0.0.2 (as400) go out thru 192.168.3.1. with windows i use >> the route add command, were do i put that in ltsp ?? if i can get >> that to work then ibm has some software that will allow me to do 5250 >> terminal emulation on linux, i could load that program in and access >> the as400 with an ltsp terminal. >> >> does anyone think they can help me or perhaps know a better way to do >> this ??? >> >> > man, i really having a hard time figuring out the proper way to reply > to a mail list thread that i started, can someone explain how i > "reply" when someone has replyed to a question i posted ?? hope this > gets out to everyone. > > Les Mikesell wrote: > route add -host 10.0.0.2 gw 192.168.3.1 > and you could add that to /etc/rc.d/rc.local to run at bootup or > just add the route with the network GUI setup program. > > Thanks dude, i was close, i tried on the command line; route add > default gw 192.168.3.1 eth1 and it worked. but i noticed that my > internet connection on the ltsp side was running real slow. the way > you told me to use the route command works alot better, i've added the > line to my /etc/rc.d/rc.local file. won't have a chance to reboot and > test it till tommorrow thou. > > Les Mikesell wrote: > > Do you control the dsl router? The simple way to handle extra routes > is to add them to the router that everything else uses as the > default. > Alternatively, you could put 2 nics in the k12ltsp server and put > it between the dsl router and the rest of the network. However, > then you either have to change the subnet address on the DSL > router or everything else. Then the k12ltsp server could do > dhcp and be the default gateway for everything else, and only > it would need the route to the mainframe. > > no Les the dsl router controls me. it's easy to access it's on-board > web server by simple placing the address 192.168.3.7 in the url box of > your > favorite broswer. the only problem is that i don't get a reply (a > problem for another day). > i think i would really rather have the dsl router hand out the ip > addresses. k12ltsp is still being tested and i'm not willing just yet > to had over a > critial job to it. i'm really thinking about the one nic idea. i'm > sure i don't really understand the problem with just using one nic. > one thing that will be a problem thou is the instruction change to > one nic are not indepth enough for me. You'll have to look through > these files and replace 192.168.0.x with the appropriate IP network > information for your network. > > /etc/exports > /etc/hosts.allow > /etc/rc.d/init.d/nat > /etc/hosts > /etc/dhcpd.conf > /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf > /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/hosts-update.sh > /opt/ltsp/templates/k12linux/setup-update.sh > > man oh man, i'm going to have a few questions when i get to that part. > > Scott D. Sanders wrote: > > I used IBM's Client Access/5250 package a few years ago, and I did not > care for it. Mochasoft's TN5250 package works well, and is free: > > i can ping off of the as400 now (10.0.0.2). so i downloaded ibm's > client access/5250 package. had all kinds of problems, seems that > fedora core3 forgot to add luntictypewrite font of some sorts and > ibm5250 isn't going work without it. the fedora team seems to be > aware of the problem and hope to have it fixed in core4. after > scratching that idea i downloaded tn5250 from sourceforge it seems to > be working, i get a logon screen. do you have any experience with > tn5250 ?? i looked at mochasoft's TN5250 package on the net but their > product does'nt seem to be free. they have a demo version but i has a > banner across it when its running. maybe i'll try it latter. > > > > > > > From hoffmann at fidnet.com Wed May 18 20:56:12 2005 From: hoffmann at fidnet.com (hoffmann at fidnet.com) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 15:56:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] New Install ? on Switch Message-ID: <1ab801c55bec$06a1be80$1002a8c0@KAREN> If I want to set up 3 rooms with 10 pcs each, what kind of switch(es) would you purchase? Do I put a switch in each room? A 24 port and a 16 port to allow for expansion? Any suggestions are welcome. Thanks, Karen Hoffmann New Haven, MO From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Wed May 18 21:07:32 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 14:07:32 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] New Install ? on Switch In-Reply-To: <1ab801c55bec$06a1be80$1002a8c0@KAREN> References: <1ab801c55bec$06a1be80$1002a8c0@KAREN> Message-ID: On 5/18/05, hoffmann at fidnet.com wrote: > If I want to set up 3 rooms with 10 pcs each, what kind of switch(es) would > you purchase? Do I put a switch in each room? A 24 port and a 16 port to > allow for expansion? Karen: I'd put 16 port switches in each room. Then you would have a switch in the server room, and likely that should be a gb switch, and put a gb nic in the server. About 30 clients is when you want to shift up to gb from the server--at least, that's what we do. I've found a company here that has some p3's they'll donate to you. You'd have to pay for shipping, but it would be inexpensive compared to buying them. I think they have about 25 machines. I'm going to look at them tomorrow. I'm going to be in St. Louis at least one night, speaking to a Linux Users Group, and I have three other talks tentatively scheduled--but I think that's closest to you. Let me know if you want to find time to connect before or after that talk. Steve -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.technologyrescue.com From wparrott at gcps1.com Wed May 18 21:12:42 2005 From: wparrott at gcps1.com (William Parrott) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 17:12:42 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] New Install ? on Switch Message-ID: Hi Karen, If you will have a server in each room, then 3 switches is the obvious choice. Make sure you get a switch, not a hub. Switches route data more efficiently than hubs. A 16-port switch will give you room to grow in each room, and can be purchased for less than $50.00 each. If you are using a single server for all three rooms, you will need to run a cable from each room to your server location. A 4th switch may be needed (could be a small, 4-port) to connect each room's feed cable to the server. If this is the route you are going make sure to get a switch that has a feature called 'Auto MDX'. This lets you connect standard patch cables to the switch without worrying about crossover cables. If you can provide more specifics about your setup, I can make recommendations. Hope this helps... Regards, William > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of hoffmann at fidnet.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 4:56 PM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: [K12OSN] New Install ? on Switch > > If I want to set up 3 rooms with 10 pcs each, what kind of > switch(es) would you purchase? Do I put a switch in each > room? A 24 port and a 16 port to allow for expansion? > > Any suggestions are welcome. > > Thanks, > Karen Hoffmann > New Haven, MO > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.5 - Release Date: 5/4/2005 > > -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.5 - Release Date: 5/4/2005 From hoffmann at fidnet.com Wed May 18 21:41:31 2005 From: hoffmann at fidnet.com (hoffmann at fidnet.com) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 16:41:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] New Install ? on Switch References: Message-ID: <001301c55bf2$5b09cf70$1002a8c0@KAREN> Hi, William. Thanks for the info. I wish I could provide more specific details, but I have no idea what I'm doing. My goal is to put approx. 10 computers into each of 3 classrooms. It's been suggested that it would be less expensive to purchase one "good" server, than three small ones. All I know for sure is that our school does not have the funds to keep adding new computers or buying Microsoft licenses. Somehow, I have to make Linux work -- but it's not easy when you're completely clueless! Or, maybe I should start with one classroom and one server before I get myself into this too deep? Again, I'm open to all suggestions. Thanks, Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Parrott" To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 4:12 PM Subject: RE: [K12OSN] New Install ? on Switch > Hi Karen, > > If you will have a server in each room, then 3 switches is the obvious choice. Make sure you get a switch, not a hub. Switches route data more efficiently than hubs. A 16-port switch will give you room to grow in each room, and can be purchased for less than $50.00 each. > > If you are using a single server for all three rooms, you will need to run a cable from each room to your server location. A 4th switch may be needed (could be a small, 4-port) to connect each room's feed cable to the server. If this is the route you are going make sure to get a switch that has a feature called 'Auto MDX'. This lets you connect standard patch cables to the switch without worrying about crossover cables. > > If you can provide more specifics about your setup, I can make recommendations. > > Hope this helps... > > Regards, > > William > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of hoffmann at fidnet.com > > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 4:56 PM > > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > > Subject: [K12OSN] New Install ? on Switch > > > > If I want to set up 3 rooms with 10 pcs each, what kind of > > switch(es) would you purchase? Do I put a switch in each > > room? A 24 port and a 16 port to allow for expansion? > > > > Any suggestions are welcome. > > > > Thanks, > > Karen Hoffmann > > New Haven, MO > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > -- > > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.5 - Release Date: 5/4/2005 > > > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.5 - Release Date: 5/4/2005 > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed May 18 22:05:01 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 18:05:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] New Install ? on Switch In-Reply-To: <001301c55bf2$5b09cf70$1002a8c0@KAREN> References: <001301c55bf2$5b09cf70$1002a8c0@KAREN> Message-ID: On May 18, 2005, at 5:41 PM, wrote: > Or, maybe I should start with one classroom and one server before I > get > myself into this too deep? Again, I'm open to all suggestions. If the 3 rooms are adjacent, and there isn't any existing wiring (no server room, etc) -- I think the shoestring budget method would be to put the server in the middle room. Attach the server to the 16 port switch in there, and send 1 line to each of the other 2 rooms. If you can afford it, the middle room (with the server) would benefit from a gigabit ethernet card, and if the switch had 3 gigabit ports (one for the server, and one for each of the other 2 rooms) performance would be best. Also, the other rooms would need (1) gigabit port in order to take advantage of the speed. -Shawn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From genfil at gmail.com Thu May 19 01:47:21 2005 From: genfil at gmail.com (Genfil Villahermosa) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 09:47:21 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Upgrade to Hyperthreading Message-ID: We be upgrading our LTSP server from P4 2Ghz to P4 3Ghz with hyperthearding. Any tips there soI can maximized the preformance of LTSP server using hyperthreading. Do I recompile the kernel or add parameters to the kernel or etc..? -- please visit http://www.dekititirsiasiradas.org From spowers at inlandlakes.org Thu May 19 02:11:30 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 22:11:30 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Upgrade to Hyperthreading In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Just make sure to use an -smp kernel, the rest is pretty much just magic. :) -Shawn On May 18, 2005, at 9:47 PM, Genfil Villahermosa wrote: > We be upgrading our LTSP server from P4 2Ghz to P4 3Ghz with > hyperthearding. > Any tips there soI can maximized the preformance of LTSP server using > hyperthreading. > Do I recompile the kernel or add parameters to the kernel or etc..? > -- > please visit http://www.dekititirsiasiradas.org > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From spowers at inlandlakes.org Thu May 19 02:24:47 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 22:24:47 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Upgrade to Hyperthreading In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1ACED747-89D5-4E64-98BA-F2F114C9B4E3@inlandlakes.org> On May 18, 2005, at 10:11 PM, Shawn Powers wrote: > Just make sure to use an -smp kernel, I guess I should specify that that can be done on boot -- an smp kernel should be an option when the computer first boots up. Making it the default varies based on the distrobution. I think most new grub installs (grub being the bootloader, the thing where you select the kernel to boot from) will choose the last selected kernel as the default. Please, someone with more grubby experience confirm or deny this, -Shawn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From genfil at gmail.com Thu May 19 02:35:27 2005 From: genfil at gmail.com (Genfil Villahermosa) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 10:35:27 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] 2 nics Message-ID: I have problem running 2 nic on the server. One is built in to the board (Sis Ethernet) and other one is (Linksys NC100). Both run on different interupts. Only one work at a time. If both are activated only one will work work. How can I make them work at the same time? -- please visit http://www.dekititirsiasiradas.org From robark at gmail.com Thu May 19 04:07:00 2005 From: robark at gmail.com (Robert Arkiletian) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 21:07:00 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] What hardware for Squid/Dansguardian? Message-ID: What hardware is more important for a caching/filtering proxy server that runs Squid/Dansguardian for a school of ~300 internet connections. I'm thinking from most important to least 1) hard disks 2) memory 3) cpu Anyone agree/disagree? What min. sys. req. would people recommend? -- Robert Arkiletian C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 From Linux_Man at comcast.net Thu May 19 04:24:44 2005 From: Linux_Man at comcast.net (Brian Beck) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 00:24:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] 2 nics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <428C150C.6000909@comcast.net> Genfil Villahermosa wrote: >I have problem running 2 nic on the server. One is built in to the >board (Sis Ethernet) and other one is (Linksys NC100). Both run on >different interupts. >Only one work at a time. If both are activated only one will work work. >How can I make them work at the same time? > > > As long as you give both a Static IP in /etc/dhcpd.conf they should both push terminals. By default they don't both because in most Dual NIC setups one NIC is connected to a WAN for Internet Access to be routed to the terminals served over the second NIC. From les at futuresource.com Thu May 19 05:03:40 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 00:03:40 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: intergrating k12ltsp In-Reply-To: <428BA547.3040208@addisonboot.com> References: <428A1EF2.70902@addisonboot.com> <428BA4DF.5020204@addisonboot.com> <428BA547.3040208@addisonboot.com> Message-ID: <1116479020.11372.23.camel@les-home.futuresource.com> On Wed, 2005-05-18 at 15:27, mike webb wrote: > > man, i really having a hard time figuring out the proper way to reply > > to a mail list thread that i started, can someone explain how i > > "reply" when someone has replyed to a question i posted ?? hope this > > gets out to everyone. Normally you just hit 'reply' or 'reply all'. Somehow you got an extra set of >'s added. Are you getting a digest copy instead of individual messages? > > Les Mikesell wrote: > > route add -host 10.0.0.2 gw 192.168.3.1 > > and you could add that to /etc/rc.d/rc.local to run at bootup or > > just add the route with the network GUI setup program. > > > > Thanks dude, i was close, i tried on the command line; route add > > default gw 192.168.3.1 eth1 and it worked. but i noticed that my > > internet connection on the ltsp side was running real slow. the way > > you told me to use the route command works alot better, i've added the > > line to my /etc/rc.d/rc.local file. won't have a chance to reboot and > > test it till tommorrow thou. You want the default to go to the internet via the DSL router. > > Do you control the dsl router? The simple way to handle extra routes > > is to add them to the router that everything else uses as the > > default. > > Alternatively, you could put 2 nics in the k12ltsp server and put > > it between the dsl router and the rest of the network. However, > > then you either have to change the subnet address on the DSL > > router or everything else. Then the k12ltsp server could do > > dhcp and be the default gateway for everything else, and only > > it would need the route to the mainframe. > > > > no Les the dsl router controls me. it's easy to access it's on-board > > web server by simple placing the address 192.168.3.7 in the url box of > > your > > favorite broswer. the only problem is that i don't get a reply (a > > problem for another day). The question is, can you add the route to the mainframe to it? Then everything else can use it as the default route and not need to know anything else. > > i think i would really rather have the dsl router hand out the ip > > addresses. k12ltsp is still being tested and i'm not willing just yet > > to had over a > > critial job to it. I've had a Linux dhcp server running for years - it is very reliable. > > i'm really thinking about the one nic idea. i'm > > sure i don't really understand the problem with just using one nic. The biggest problem is that you can only have one dhcp server running per network. That means that if keep running it on the dsl router you'll have to figure out how to make it send the extra options you need for net booting. It probably can do it if you can find the right place for the settings. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Thu May 19 07:57:09 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 03:57:09 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] New Install ? on Switch Message-ID: <1116489429.9385.45.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> Karen Hoffmann wrote: If I want to set up 3 rooms with 10 pcs each, what kind of switch(es) would you purchase? Do I put a switch in each room? A 24 port and a 16 port to allow for expansion? Any suggestions are welcome. Thanks, Karen Hoffmann New Haven, MO Being that you did not mention existing equipment can we surmise that you have no existing network drops? If so and to do it on the cheap, down and dirty, heres an idea with minimal cable pulling. Build one server $2500.00 Purchase 4 switches 1 - BELKIN F5D5141-5 5 port 10/100/1000 $80.00 3 - ASUS GigaX1024P 24 port 10/100/1000 @ $105.00 $315.00 30 - Patch cables @ 3.00 $150.00 X ft. Cat5e cable to run from server/5 port switch to rooms $???.?? Comes out to a little over 100.00 per seat but you really shouldn't figure the switches and all into the cost of a k12 deployment because you need them any hoo :-) This would be ok for proof of concept but a better switch and proper drops installed is really the way to go. Example from the trenches: We purchased a cheap unmanaged 24 port switch an we used desktop mini switches to make up for lack of drops in the classrooms. One day (when of course I was out for the day) a fourth grader decided to plug a cable from a 5 port mini switch back into its self. This took down the entire 24 port switch and three classrooms. We have used amer.com managed switches and have had no problems what so ever and very reasonable. From sudev at mantraonline.com Thu May 19 08:00:33 2005 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 13:30:33 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] exclude file for rsync backups In-Reply-To: <20050518173643.23772.qmail@web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050518173643.23772.qmail@web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1116489633.19826.3.camel@server.ltsp> On Wed, 2005-05-18 at 10:36 -0700, Rob Owens wrote: > Does anybody have an exlude file that they'd care to > share with me? I'm looking to do backups via rsync > and I don't want to back up junk like web browser > cache, deleted emails, etc. See the contents of our exclude file below. This takes backups of all files including mail folders in evolution. All pictures and win files are excluded as we are using the home directory for some of the users as backup of their laptops (unfortunately all except one still on win) HTH -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux [QUOTE] *OpenOffice* *Desktop* *evolution *evolution/addressbook-sources.xml *evolution/camel-cert.db *evolution/cert7.db *evolution/config *evolution/filters.xml *evolution/gtkrc-mail-fonts *evolution/key3.db *evolution/mail *evolution/meta *evolution/private *evolution/searches.xml *evolution/secmod.db *evolution/shortcuts.xml .* *.exe *.dll *.sys *.ini *.com *.EXE *.DLL *.SYS *.INI *.COM *windows* *.CAB *.cab *.dat *.DAT [ENDQUOTE] From info at proex-india.com Thu May 19 08:29:45 2005 From: info at proex-india.com (info) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 13:59:45 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] How to save ssh key in users directory Message-ID: Hello, I am trying to run netscape7.0 as local apps , it is working fine , i have generated ssh keys also and everything works as per document. Only problem is i need to enter password everytime i run the lcoal apps/. How i should avoid this so i can creat icon on desktop and run script along with that. the document says put the users public key in their own authorized keys. Which key i need to copy , as hostname or with IP address??? Regards K.Dinesh *********************************************************************** In a World Without Fences Who Needs GATES ? *********************************************************************** This message and any attached files will have been checked with virus detection software before transmission. However, recipients must carry out their own virus checks before opening any attachment. Company accepts no liability for any loss or damage, which may be caused by software viruses. *********************************************************************** -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.12 - Release Date: 5/17/05 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.12 - Release Date: 5/17/05 From info at proex-india.com Thu May 19 08:33:55 2005 From: info at proex-india.com (info) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 14:03:55 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Success with VNC server on local client Message-ID: Hello, I am able to run VNC server on client side , best way was i created XF86config file with VNC as module and it runs while booting the machine. Perfect working. Thanks for all the help Regards K.Dinesh *********************************************************************** In a World Without Fences Who Needs GATES ? *********************************************************************** This message and any attached files will have been checked with virus detection software before transmission. However, recipients must carry out their own virus checks before opening any attachment. Company accepts no liability for any loss or damage, which may be caused by software viruses. *********************************************************************** -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.12 - Release Date: 5/17/05 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.12 - Release Date: 5/17/05 From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu May 19 09:58:11 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 02:58:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] New Install ? on Switch In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050519095811.8699.qmail@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Karen, If you want to just test out K12LTSP on one classroom, you can use a high-end desktop machine as your "server". I do that at home. I've only used 2 clients on it, and some here have suggested that 5 or 8 is the max you could run off of this type of machine. Mine is a 2.0 Celeron with 640 MB of SDRAM and an IDE hard drive. A real server would give you better performance, but a desktop machine is suitable as a proof-of-concept. -Rob --- hoffmann at fidnet.com wrote: > Hi, William. > > Thanks for the info. I wish I could provide more > specific details, but I > have no idea what I'm doing. My goal is to put > approx. 10 computers into > each of 3 classrooms. It's been suggested that it > would be less expensive > to purchase one "good" server, than three small > ones. All I know for sure > is that our school does not have the funds to keep > adding new computers or > buying Microsoft licenses. Somehow, I have to make > Linux work -- but it's > not easy when you're completely clueless! > > Or, maybe I should start with one classroom and one > server before I get > myself into this too deep? Again, I'm open to all > suggestions. > > Thanks, > Karen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William Parrott" > To: "Support list for opensource software in > schools." > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 4:12 PM > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] New Install ? on Switch > > > > Hi Karen, > > > > If you will have a server in each room, then 3 > switches is the obvious > choice. Make sure you get a switch, not a hub. > Switches route data more > efficiently than hubs. A 16-port switch will give > you room to grow in each > room, and can be purchased for less than $50.00 > each. > > > > If you are using a single server for all three > rooms, you will need to run > a cable from each room to your server location. A > 4th switch may be needed > (could be a small, 4-port) to connect each room's > feed cable to the server. > If this is the route you are going make sure to get > a switch that has a > feature called 'Auto MDX'. This lets you connect > standard patch cables to > the switch without worrying about crossover cables. > > > > If you can provide more specifics about your > setup, I can make > recommendations. > > > > Hope this helps... > > > > Regards, > > > > William > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > > > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of > hoffmann at fidnet.com > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 4:56 PM > > > To: Support list for opensource software in > schools. > > > Subject: [K12OSN] New Install ? on Switch > > > > > > If I want to set up 3 rooms with 10 pcs each, > what kind of > > > switch(es) would you purchase? Do I put a > switch in each > > > room? A 24 port and a 16 port to allow for > expansion? > > > > > > Any suggestions are welcome. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Karen Hoffmann > > > New Haven, MO > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > > > -- > > > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.5 - > Release Date: 5/4/2005 > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.5 - > Release Date: 5/4/2005 > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu May 19 10:19:02 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 03:19:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] How to save ssh key in users directory In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050519101902.99214.qmail@web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To avoid being prompted for your passphrase all the time, you can either 1) create keys with an empty passphrase. or 2) use ssh-agent, which remembers your passphrase after it has been entered once, until you log out. If you have created more than one public/private keypair, you can copy all of the public keys (they end in .pub) to the authorized_keys file. I'm not familiar with local applications, so I can't tell you for sure if this is required or not. But putting a public key in an authorized_keys file gives the owner of the corresponding private key the ability to log into that account. -Rob --- info wrote: > Hello, > I am trying to run netscape7.0 as local apps , it is > working fine , i > have generated ssh keys also and everything works as > per document. > Only problem is i need to enter password everytime i > run the lcoal apps/. > How i should avoid this so i can creat icon on > desktop and run script > along with that. > the document says put the users public key in their > own authorized keys. > > Which key i need to copy , as hostname or with IP > address??? > > Regards > K.Dinesh > > *********************************************************************** > In a World Without Fences Who Needs GATES ? > *********************************************************************** > This message and any attached files will have been > checked with virus > detection software before transmission. 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Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu May 19 10:21:58 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 03:21:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] exclude file for rsync backups In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050519102159.48167.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks. If anybody has a file that addresses cache and other junk files for various web browsers (konqueror, firefox, etc.) feel free to post it. -Rob --- Sudev Barar wrote: > On Wed, 2005-05-18 at 10:36 -0700, Rob Owens wrote: > > Does anybody have an exlude file that they'd care > to > > share with me? I'm looking to do backups via > rsync > > and I don't want to back up junk like web browser > > cache, deleted emails, etc. > > See the contents of our exclude file below. This > takes backups of all > files including mail folders in evolution. 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Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/online.html From sudev at mantraonline.com Thu May 19 10:40:28 2005 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 16:10:28 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] How to save ssh key in users directory In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1116499229.1133.1.camel@server.ltsp> On Thu, 2005-05-19 at 13:59 +0530, info wrote: > Hello, > I am trying to run netscape7.0 as local apps , it is working fine , i > have generated ssh keys also and everything works as per document. > Only problem is i need to enter password everytime i run the lcoal apps/. > How i should avoid this so i can creat icon on desktop and run script > along with that. > the document says put the users public key in their own authorized keys. > > Which key i need to copy , as hostname or with IP address??? man ssh See the concept explanations. You need to log in to the remote machine and append your public key to the /home/user/.ssh/authorized_keys2 file. HTH -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From cliebow at downeast.net Thu May 19 10:47:26 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 10:47:26 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Success with VNC server on local client Message-ID: <200505191301.j4JD1Ee17965@downeast.net> well done..want to send your XF8Config and ill add salient parts to the wiki...chuck > Hello, > I am able to run VNC server on client side , best way was i created > XF86config file with VNC as module and it runs while booting the machine. > > Perfect working. > > Thanks for all the help > > Regards > K.Dinesh > *********************************************************************** > In a World Without Fences Who Needs GATES ? > *********************************************************************** > This message and any attached files will have been checked with virus > detection software before transmission. However, recipients must carry > out their own virus checks before opening any attachment. Company > accepts no liability for any loss or damage, which may be caused by > software viruses. > *********************************************************************** > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.12 - Release Date: 5/17/05 > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.12 - Release Date: 5/17/05 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From sudev at mantraonline.com Thu May 19 11:10:41 2005 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 16:40:41 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] exclude file for rsync backups In-Reply-To: <20050519102159.48167.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050519102159.48167.qmail@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1116501041.3977.1.camel@server.ltsp> On Thu, 2005-05-19 at 03:21 -0700, Rob Owens wrote: > If anybody has a file that addresses cache and other > junk files for various web browsers (konqueror, > firefox, etc.) feel free to post it. [snip] > > *evolution/searches.xml > > *evolution/secmod.db > > *evolution/shortcuts.xml > > .* The last above takes care of all hidden files and directories. Or are you looking for something else??? -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From hick518 at yahoo.com Thu May 19 12:19:35 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 05:19:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] exclude file for rsync backups In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050519121935.84517.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I was hoping not to exclude all .* files, because they hold settings that I'd like to keep. It's mainly cache for web browsers that I'd like to eliminate. -Rob --- Sudev Barar wrote: > On Thu, 2005-05-19 at 03:21 -0700, Rob Owens wrote: > > If anybody has a file that addresses cache and > other > > junk files for various web browsers (konqueror, > > firefox, etc.) feel free to post it. > [snip] > > > *evolution/searches.xml > > > *evolution/secmod.db > > > *evolution/shortcuts.xml > > > .* > > The last above takes care of all hidden files and > directories. Or are > you looking for something else??? > -- > Sudev Barar > Learning Linux > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Thu May 19 12:21:57 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 07:21:57 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] exclude file for rsync backups In-Reply-To: <20050519121935.84517.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050519121935.84517.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: If you are using squid, you may want to change the browser's global setting so that they don't use any cache at all. That way all the caching is in the squid folder and it is easy to exclude. I think there is a mozilla/firefox global setting you can change, but I don't remember what it is (off the top of my head). On May 19, 2005, at 7:19 AM, Rob Owens wrote: > I was hoping not to exclude all .* files, because they > hold settings that I'd like to keep. 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Thinking this sounded like a good idea, I tried 'yum list all', but all I got was Gathering package information from servers Getting headers from: Fedora Linux / stable for Red Hat Linux 8.0 (i386) Getting headers from: K12LTSP for Red Hat Linux 8.0 (i386) Getting headers from: Macromedia Flash Player for Red Hat Linux 8.0 Getting headers from: Red Hat Linux 8.0 (i386) Getting headers from: Red Hat Linux 8.0 (i386) updates Finding updated packages Downloading needed headers getting /var/cache/yum/fedora-stable/headers/putty-0-0.57-0.fdr.1.rh80.i386.hdr Looking in Available Packages: Name Arch Version -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking in Installed Packages: Name Arch Version -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anyone have any suggestions on why I'm not seeing anything? Oddly, I don't recall having any trouble explicitly installing a given package, but it's been a while. Petre Henry Hartley wrote: > On: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 5:20 PM, Carl Keil said: > >>>Is there a way to get a list of all the packages that are available >>>via yum? Y'know, so you know exactly what to type to get the package >>>you want? I never know whether it's 'yum install apache' or 'yum >>>install httpd'. That's just an example, I don't need to install >>>apache, but I'm wondering what the list is? > > > yum list all > > You might want to dump that into a file > > yum list all > yumlist.txt > From petre at maltzen.net Thu May 19 13:11:08 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 08:11:08 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Request for articles (personal request) In-Reply-To: <4B991699-7DF2-44BC-B724-04F34D7F89C0@inlandlakes.org> References: <4B991699-7DF2-44BC-B724-04F34D7F89C0@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <428C906C.8090802@maltzen.net> A while back I created a website to track news stories about city governments using OSS. http://www.opencitygov.org Originally, I was just printing out stories as I came across them, and sticking those printouts in a folder, and handing out to people. Then I realized it would be easier to maintain a webpage on the matter. It's not a huge list, but it's all in one place making it easier for you to at least find stories on OSS use in cities. Petre Shawn Powers wrote: > Sorry for my recent spamming of the list... > > My superintendent just asked me for a list of articles regarding > businesses, governments, states, schools, colleges, other countries, > personal education success stories, etc that have moved to OSS and or > Linux. *HE* wants to present to the school board at our Monday board > meeting. > > I have been doing some off-the-cuff research, and found recent things > like Peru's government and the UK report, but would you folks mind > bombarding me (offlist, please) with as many articles, links, etc that > you can? This is a chance for OSS evangelism to come FROM someone > other than me in my district, so I want arm the super (also my boss) as > well as I can. > > Thank you very, very much, > > -Shawn > > -- > Shawn Powers > Technology Director > Inland Lakes Schools > PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 > FAX: 509-356-7024 > spowers at inlandlakes.org > http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org > > ---- > The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, > sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, > cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, > OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, > or anything else I might infer are not the > views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything > I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be > considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From bkovach at lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us Thu May 19 13:13:31 2005 From: bkovach at lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us (Brandon Kovach) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 08:13:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] New Install ? on Switch In-Reply-To: <001301c55bf2$5b09cf70$1002a8c0@KAREN> References: <001301c55bf2$5b09cf70$1002a8c0@KAREN> Message-ID: <428C90FB.8040705@lrhs.greene-r8.k12.mo.us> If I were me, then I would do all 3 at once. I would buy a kickin' server and I wouldn't skimip much on switches. Here's my logic. Sell the teacher on the "If you want this number of computers, this is the only way to get it for the $$$" idea. Then buy everything you need so that you know you aren't going to run out of hardware. You'll have problems. Most of those problems are going to be "Yeah, but can you make it do XXX" type problems the teachers request. I live/work in Rogersville, MO which isn't too far from you if you want to come down and look at our setup. We have 94 machines on 2 servers spread across 3 labs. My teachers were quite hesitant, but now all 3 labs are full from before school to after school. BK hoffmann at fidnet.com wrote: > Hi, William. > > Thanks for the info. I wish I could provide more specific details, but I > have no idea what I'm doing. My goal is to put approx. 10 computers into > each of 3 classrooms. It's been suggested that it would be less expensive > to purchase one "good" server, than three small ones. All I know for sure > is that our school does not have the funds to keep adding new computers or > buying Microsoft licenses. Somehow, I have to make Linux work -- but it's > not easy when you're completely clueless! > > Or, maybe I should start with one classroom and one server before I get > myself into this too deep? Again, I'm open to all suggestions. > > Thanks, > Karen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William Parrott" > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 4:12 PM > Subject: RE: [K12OSN] New Install ? on Switch > > > >>Hi Karen, >> >>If you will have a server in each room, then 3 switches is the obvious > > choice. Make sure you get a switch, not a hub. Switches route data more > efficiently than hubs. A 16-port switch will give you room to grow in each > room, and can be purchased for less than $50.00 each. > >>If you are using a single server for all three rooms, you will need to run > > a cable from each room to your server location. A 4th switch may be needed > (could be a small, 4-port) to connect each room's feed cable to the server. > If this is the route you are going make sure to get a switch that has a > feature called 'Auto MDX'. This lets you connect standard patch cables to > the switch without worrying about crossover cables. > >>If you can provide more specifics about your setup, I can make > > recommendations. > >>Hope this helps... >> >>Regards, >> >>William >> >> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com >>>[mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of hoffmann at fidnet.com >>>Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 4:56 PM >>>To: Support list for opensource software in schools. >>>Subject: [K12OSN] New Install ? on Switch >>> >>>If I want to set up 3 rooms with 10 pcs each, what kind of >>>switch(es) would you purchase? Do I put a switch in each >>>room? A 24 port and a 16 port to allow for expansion? >>> >>>Any suggestions are welcome. >>> >>>Thanks, >>>Karen Hoffmann >>>New Haven, MO >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>K12OSN mailing list >>>K12OSN at redhat.com >>>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>>For more info see >>> >>>-- >>>Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >>>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>>Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.5 - Release Date: 5/4/2005 >>> >>> >> >>-- >>Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.5 - Release Date: 5/4/2005 >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From henryhartley at westat.com Thu May 19 13:41:12 2005 From: henryhartley at westat.com (Henry Hartley) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 09:41:12 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] yum installs Message-ID: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D1C2079@MAILBE2.westat.com> On: Thursday, May 19, 2005 8:59 AM, Petre Scheie said: >> >> Anyone have any suggestions on why I'm not seeing anything? >> Oddly, I don't recall having any trouble explicitly installing >> a given package, but it's been a while. That's odd. When I run "yum list all" I get about 2,850 packages listed. I can send you that file off-list but having yum working would seem to be a more imporant first step. Try running "yum info httpd" (or some package you know is installed). Then try with one you know is NOT installed (I tried "yum info joe"). Run "yum update" and see what happens. Does /var/log/yum.log show updates recently? -- Henry From dwblue02 at yahoo.com Thu May 19 13:41:45 2005 From: dwblue02 at yahoo.com (David Whitmer) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 06:41:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] trouble connecting via VNC Message-ID: <20050519134145.60414.qmail@web31603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I've suddenly begun having trouble connecting to our K12LTSP 4.2.1 server from home using VNC. I connect using UltraVNC in Windows XP, connecting to the school through SSH tunnelling using Putty. This had been working fine as recently as early this morning. But when I tried again a little later in the morning, my VNC viewer would not connect to the K12LTSP server. I can make other connections to that server just fine... for example, also through SSH tunnelling, I was able to bring up the server's Webmin page from home. In fact, I used Webmin to turn off that server's firewall and reboot, but to no effect. If it helps, SELinux has already been disabled. I do not know whether anyone at the school is able to use VNC to connect to the K12LTSP server. I also will not be able to personally check anything there until this evening. Right now, we're in a proof-of-concept phase, so I'm really the only person using VNC or thin client PCs to connect to the server (whether from home or on-site). My main problem is that I'm not sure where to even begin looking to determine why I can't connect from home via VNC. The SSH tunnelling with Putty seems to be working okay. I have not yet tried other Windows VNC viewers. How can I tell if the K12LTSP server is having VNC problems, or XDMCP problems, or some other problem that would prevent a VNC viewer from connecting? Do any of you have some ideas? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. David Whitmer dwblue02 at yahoo.com __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail From adammelancon at gmail.com Thu May 19 13:51:28 2005 From: adammelancon at gmail.com (Adam Melancon) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 08:51:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] What hardware for Squid/Dansguardian? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4892876105051906512ca5d6fb@mail.gmail.com> At the previous library I worked at, I was filtering about 60 computers just fine on a PII450 with 128MB of RAM if that helps give you a baseline. http://www.lafayette.lib.la.us/tech/squidguardhowto/ On 5/18/05, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > What hardware is more important for a caching/filtering proxy server > that runs Squid/Dansguardian for a school of ~300 internet > connections. > > I'm thinking from most important to least > > 1) hard disks > 2) memory > 3) cpu > > Anyone agree/disagree? What min. sys. req. would people recommend? > > -- > Robert Arkiletian > C++ GUI tutorial http://fltk.org/links.php?V19 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Adam Melancon Work: http://www.lafayette.lib.la.us From jwhite at shaker.k12.nh.us Thu May 19 14:08:43 2005 From: jwhite at shaker.k12.nh.us (Jon White) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 10:08:43 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] What hardware for Squid/Dansguardian? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1116511723.3672.53.camel@localhost.localdomain> I believe that cpu seems to be more important than either hard drive or memory in a proxy box. At our high school (approx 200 connections) we originally had an old dual p2 300MHz server that did the job admirably. Unfortunately one of the processor fans gave out and lead to the eventual burn out of all the fans and at least one of the processors. (Amazing what can happen when the AC gets turned off over the summer months.) Thinking to put together a quick replacement box, we grabbed a box with a 700 (maybe 750)MHz processor and put it in place, assuming that it would work fine. (Similar boxes run our smaller schools no problem.) By the end of the first week it was obvious that this box couldn't handle the load, as it was constantly needing to be rebooted due to the processor overheating. Fortunately we have a local vendor who gave us an excellent ($1700) price on a dual 2.8Ghz Xeon small server/graphics workstation box that they had, which has worked out great for us. My hypothesis is that the single processor setup simply couldn't keep up with the heat generated by doing so much work on the single unit, where the dual processor setup spreads the load/heat around enough that the fans can keep up. Of course I don't have any "technical data" to back this hypothesis up (besides the fact that the new proxy hasn't had a problem since we put it in), so your mileage most likely will vary. On Thu, 2005-05-19 at 00:07, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > What hardware is more important for a caching/filtering proxy server > that runs Squid/Dansguardian for a school of ~300 internet > connections. > > I'm thinking from most important to least > > 1) hard disks > 2) memory > 3) cpu > > Anyone agree/disagree? What min. sys. req. would people recommend? -- Jonathan S. White Computer Technician Shaker Regional School District jwhite at shaker.k12.nh.us (603) 267-9223 From les at futuresource.com Thu May 19 14:24:45 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 09:24:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] What hardware for Squid/Dansguardian? In-Reply-To: <1116511723.3672.53.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1116511723.3672.53.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1116512685.4733.16.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Thu, 2005-05-19 at 09:08, Jon White wrote: > My hypothesis is that the single processor setup simply couldn't keep up > with the heat generated by doing so much work on the single unit, where > the dual processor setup spreads the load/heat around enough that the > fans can keep up. I'm not a hardware expert, but it should not be possible to overheat a properly cooled CPU with too much 'work'. You just need a better fan. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Thu May 19 14:40:53 2005 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 22:40:53 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] kdeinit overload Message-ID: <1116513653.4467.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> I have trouble with kdeinit: kded consuming all the processing resources after a time and bringing my system to a crawl. Perhaps a question for the KDE list, but everyone here is so knowledgeable, I thought I'd pick your collective brain matter first ;-) EXPLANATION: I run Xfce4 on my k12ltsp 4.2.0 setup because I've come to like it and because the poor ol' thing is only a PII450 Xeon and doesn't need the overhead of bloated WM like Gnome or KDE. However, I am really hooked on KPPP and run that as my dialup daemon. Trouble is that I see it often end up using up to 90% of processing resources for extended periods until I kill kded. Picking off this one process allows the other kdeinit processes (that KPPP requires) to keep running and brings my system back to a total 5-10% load. Since the daemon doesn't seem to be doing anything useful, has anyone got any clues as to what's happening here. -- Regards, Gavin Chester From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Thu May 19 14:46:45 2005 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 22:46:45 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] yum installs In-Reply-To: <428C8D98.1080002@maltzen.net> References: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D1C2070@MAILBE2.westat.com> <428C8D98.1080002@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <1116514005.4467.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2005-05-19 at 07:59 -0500, Petre Scheie wrote: > Hmmm. Thinking this sounded like a good idea, I tried 'yum list all', but all I got was > > Gathering package information from servers > Getting headers from: Fedora Linux / stable for Red Hat Linux 8.0 (i386) > Getting headers from: K12LTSP for Red Hat Linux 8.0 (i386) > Getting headers from: Macromedia Flash Player for Red Hat Linux 8.0 > Getting headers from: Red Hat Linux 8.0 (i386) > Getting headers from: Red Hat Linux 8.0 (i386) updates A couple of things come to mind: 1/ you could try yumex as a GUI for yum to see all the packages listed in front of you in a nice, ummmm, GUI. ... but, that will only work if you have the correct repositories configured, so ... 2/ You seem to have the wrong repositories since yours all point to RH8 instead of FC3 that is the basis of k12ltsp 4.2.0. Support for RH8 would only be found in legacy repos - or did you say that already? -- Regards, Gavin Chester From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu May 19 15:31:10 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 08:31:10 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Updates for K12LTSP v 3.1 (Redhat 9) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <428CB13E.7020100@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Burke Almquist wrote: > This may be a dumb question, but are K12LTSP's apt/yum servers still > passing out updates for 3.1.2, or do I need to be using fedoralegacy? > If so, might their packages break something? > The Fedora Legacy packages are included in the K12LTSP apt/yum repositories for K12LTSP versions 4.1 and older. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From petre at maltzen.net Thu May 19 16:10:22 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 11:10:22 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] yum installs In-Reply-To: <1116514005.4467.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D1C2070@MAILBE2.westat.com> <428C8D98.1080002@maltzen.net> <1116514005.4467.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <428CBA6E.3050601@maltzen.net> I should have mentioned that this is on a RH8/K12ltsp 3.0.1 box. So, the repositories listed are correct. Gavin Chester wrote: > On Thu, 2005-05-19 at 07:59 -0500, Petre Scheie wrote: > >>Hmmm. Thinking this sounded like a good idea, I tried 'yum list all', but all I got was >> >>Gathering package information from servers >>Getting headers from: Fedora Linux / stable for Red Hat Linux 8.0 (i386) >>Getting headers from: K12LTSP for Red Hat Linux 8.0 (i386) >>Getting headers from: Macromedia Flash Player for Red Hat Linux 8.0 >>Getting headers from: Red Hat Linux 8.0 (i386) >>Getting headers from: Red Hat Linux 8.0 (i386) updates > > > A couple of things come to mind: > > 1/ you could try yumex as a GUI for yum to see all the packages listed > in front of you in a nice, ummmm, GUI. > > ... but, that will only work if you have the correct repositories > configured, so ... > > 2/ You seem to have the wrong repositories since yours all point to RH8 > instead of FC3 that is the basis of k12ltsp 4.2.0. Support for RH8 > would only be found in legacy repos - or did you say that already? > From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Thu May 19 16:31:01 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 12:31:01 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] xine or mplayer on k12ltsp ? Message-ID: <1116520261.7243.9.camel@anthony.stmarys-school.lan> Seeking opinions on xine vs mplayer for k12ltsp Currently using K12LTSP-4.1.1 Thanks -- John From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu May 19 16:39:19 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 09:39:19 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] yum installs In-Reply-To: <428CBA6E.3050601@maltzen.net> References: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D1C2070@MAILBE2.westat.com> <428C8D98.1080002@maltzen.net> <1116514005.4467.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <428CBA6E.3050601@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <428CC137.5040009@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> With an older version of yum (such as the one in 3.0.1), I think you need to drop the "all": yum list -Eric Petre Scheie wrote: > I should have mentioned that this is on a RH8/K12ltsp 3.0.1 box. So, > the repositories listed are correct. > > Gavin Chester wrote: > >> On Thu, 2005-05-19 at 07:59 -0500, Petre Scheie wrote: >> >>> Hmmm. Thinking this sounded like a good idea, I tried 'yum list >>> all', but all I got was >>> >>> Gathering package information from servers >>> Getting headers from: Fedora Linux / stable for Red Hat Linux 8.0 (i386) >>> Getting headers from: K12LTSP for Red Hat Linux 8.0 (i386) >>> Getting headers from: Macromedia Flash Player for Red Hat Linux 8.0 >>> Getting headers from: Red Hat Linux 8.0 (i386) >>> Getting headers from: Red Hat Linux 8.0 (i386) updates >> >> >> >> A couple of things come to mind: >> >> 1/ you could try yumex as a GUI for yum to see all the packages listed >> in front of you in a nice, ummmm, GUI. >> >> ... but, that will only work if you have the correct repositories >> configured, so ... >> >> 2/ You seem to have the wrong repositories since yours all point to RH8 >> instead of FC3 that is the basis of k12ltsp 4.2.0. Support for RH8 >> would only be found in legacy repos - or did you say that already? > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From spowers at inlandlakes.org Thu May 19 16:44:31 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 12:44:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] xine or mplayer on k12ltsp ? In-Reply-To: <1116520261.7243.9.camel@anthony.stmarys-school.lan> References: <1116520261.7243.9.camel@anthony.stmarys-school.lan> Message-ID: <3894B3CD-2C35-435C-915A-2267F66E8FD1@inlandlakes.org> On May 19, 2005, at 12:31 PM, John Baillie wrote: > Seeking opinions on xine vs mplayer for k12ltsp > Currently using K12LTSP-4.1.1 I like mplayer-plugin so much, that I would suggest mplayer, just for the firefox/mozilla integration. 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How cool is that? -Shawn From dyioulos at firstbhph.com Thu May 19 17:12:37 2005 From: dyioulos at firstbhph.com (Dimitri Yioulos) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 13:12:37 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Something cool (and encouraging) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200505191312.37212.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> On Thursday May 19 2005 12:48 pm, Shawn Powers wrote: > My superintendent, after asking me to present about Linux again at > our Monday board meeting, also asked me to take his WindowsXP machine > away. He wants me to give him a thin client, so that his computer > can be used somewhere it's more needed. > > How cool is that? > > -Shawn > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see Mighty cool! From mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us Thu May 19 17:14:28 2005 From: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us (Mark Sarria) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 10:14:28 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Force Password Change Message-ID: <200505191714.j4JHEZ2e005006@mx3.redhat.com> How do I force a user to change their password on next login, on LDAP server? Mark From rgibson57 at earthlink.net Thu May 19 17:41:16 2005 From: rgibson57 at earthlink.net (Rita Gibson) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 11:41:16 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Installations in Tucson, AZ? Message-ID: <428CCFBC.3010602@earthlink.net> I have been contacted by someone interested in k12ltsp and am wondering if there is anyone on this list that is in Arizona, or more precisely Tucson, AZ, that might be able to assist this school if they are interested in implementing a Linux based network? Thanks, Rita Gibson RMSEL From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Thu May 19 18:04:17 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 14:04:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Something cool (and encouraging) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Thursday, May 19, 2005 at 12:48 PM +0000 wrote: >My superintendent, after asking me to present about Linux again at >our Monday board meeting, also asked me to take his WindowsXP machine >away. He wants me to give him a thin client, so that his computer >can be used somewhere it's more needed. > >How cool is that? And so it begins....the snowball at the top of the hill :-) Yay! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Thu May 19 18:23:05 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 11:23:05 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Burlington, Iowa: Demonstration of K12LTSP/LTSP May 25th In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: A demonstration of the Linux Terminal Services Project has been arranged for those interested. Feel free to pass this information on to your teachers, and other AEAs Please see the following information. What: Linux Terminal Services Project Audience: K-12, Higher Ed Presenter: Steve Hargadon Where: Center for Business and Industry Services RiverPark Place 610 North 4th Street Room 103 Burlington, IA 52627 Date: Wednesday, May 25 Time: 1 PM Why: LTSP is an add-on package for Linux that allows you to connect lots of low-powered thin client terminals to a Linux server. Applications typically run on the server and accept input and display their output on the thin client display. LTSP is available as a set of packages that can be installed on any Linux system. It is also available as a part of complete distributions, such as K12Ltsp and SkoleLinux. For more information on LTSP visit http://www.ltsp.org To register and for more information, contact: Bruce Huddleson (bhuddleson at scciowa.edu)-- Bruce Huddleson Coordinator of Instructional Technologies Southeastern Community College 866-SCC-IOWA (722-4692) extension 8288 319-752-2731 extension 8288 319-752-4957 (Fax) -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.technologyrescue.com From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Thu May 19 18:25:32 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 11:25:32 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Springfield, IL: Demonstration of K12LTSP/LTSP, May 24 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Next Tuesday, May 24th at the Linux Users of Central Illinois (www.luci.org): The Linux Terminal Server Project is an add-on package for Linux allowing numerous low-powered "thin client" terminals (or recycled computers) to connect to a Linux server. Applications then run on the server, while accepting input and displaying output on the thin clients. An office or computer lab can be constructed using one powerful server and many inexpensive thin clients -- old PCs, for example. Configuration and upgrades are then centralized at the server, rather than distributed to numerous expensive desktops. K12LTSP, a popular solution for schools with limited budgets, is a distribution of Linux based on Red Hat Fedora and the LTSP packages. Steve Hargadon has installed K12LTSP in Hawaii, California, Utah, and Indiana. He is currently working with the Canadian government to install thin client labs in 2,000 schools in Kenya, Africa. For further details, visit: http://www.technologyrescue.com -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.technologyrescue.com -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.technologyrescue.com From steve.hargadon at gmail.com Thu May 19 18:43:11 2005 From: steve.hargadon at gmail.com (Steve Hargadon) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 11:43:11 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] St. Louis, Missouri: Demonstration of K12LTSP/LTSP, May 26 In-Reply-To: <428CDB7A.8060201@sluug.org> References: <428CDB7A.8060201@sluug.org> Message-ID: St. Charles [County] Linux Users Group (STC LUG) on Thursday, 26 May http://www.sluug.org/~stclug/. 6:30 p.m. to 9:00 p.m, presentation on K12LTSP/LTSP with demonstration. -- Steve Hargadon 916-899-1400 direct www.technologyrescue.com From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Thu May 19 18:52:28 2005 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 13:52:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Help me fight FUD Message-ID: <428CE06C.2050900@honeygroveisd.net> Hello all, We're looking at tossing MS Office entirely at our district in favor of OpenOffice/StarOffice. The administration recognizes the cost benefit and the more technically savvy teachers are ok with the change. So far no on has questioned the ability of OO.o to meet our future needs. The Fear Uncertainty and Doubt exist in relation our current body of work. Some of these teachers have dozens of PowerPoint presentations they've been using for years and the thought of having to edit and reformat them all to account for the lack of Feature X in OpenOffice is daunting. They'd rather hang on to the aging copy of MS Office 97 they know, than face the future of a modern office suite they don't know. Have any of you fought this battle? Does anyone have any references that I can point these people to in order to alleviate their fears? I don't want to waste the backing of the administration on this, but I don't want to be lynched by a frightened mob either. Any (useful) comments are welcome. -- C-ya, Mark ____ "Some cause happiness wherever they go; others whenever they go." -- Oscar Wilde From aslansreturn at yahoo.com Thu May 19 19:09:24 2005 From: aslansreturn at yahoo.com (richard ingalls) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 12:09:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP Questions - Putting a Windows client in FC3 lab Message-ID: <20050519190924.64676.qmail@web52908.mail.yahoo.com> I have an existing FC3 classroom lab with one server a just a few clients. I need to add just one Windows client into this room & it needs to have internet access. What are the settings I need to adjust on either the client or the server to make this happen? The server goes through a squid/DG proxy server in my bldg. I tried adjusting the TCP/IP settings on the Windows client to obtain it's IP address automatically, but couldn't get online with Firefox or IE. Any help is appreciated! Thanks. Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html From spowers at inlandlakes.org Thu May 19 19:16:17 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 15:16:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Help me fight FUD In-Reply-To: <428CE06C.2050900@honeygroveisd.net> References: <428CE06C.2050900@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: On May 19, 2005, at 2:52 PM, Mark Cockrell wrote: > They'd rather hang on to the aging copy of MS > Office 97 they know, I would have them try OO on those powerpoints... That's an old enough version of office that I think OO would do nicely displaying them. So I guess "try to break it and see what happens" would be a valid starting point. -Shawn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From petre at maltzen.net Thu May 19 19:18:42 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 14:18:42 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] yum installs In-Reply-To: <428CC137.5040009@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <403593359CA56C4CAE1F8F4F00DCFE7D1C2070@MAILBE2.westat.com> <428C8D98.1080002@maltzen.net> <1116514005.4467.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <428CBA6E.3050601@maltzen.net> <428CC137.5040009@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <428CE692.8080705@maltzen.net> That works. Thanks. Eric Harrison wrote: > > With an older version of yum (such as the one in 3.0.1), I think you > need to drop the "all": > > yum list > > -Eric > > Petre Scheie wrote: > >> I should have mentioned that this is on a RH8/K12ltsp 3.0.1 box. So, >> the repositories listed are correct. >> >> Gavin Chester wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 2005-05-19 at 07:59 -0500, Petre Scheie wrote: >>> >>>> Hmmm. Thinking this sounded like a good idea, I tried 'yum list >>>> all', but all I got was >>>> >>>> Gathering package information from servers >>>> Getting headers from: Fedora Linux / stable for Red Hat Linux 8.0 >>>> (i386) >>>> Getting headers from: K12LTSP for Red Hat Linux 8.0 (i386) >>>> Getting headers from: Macromedia Flash Player for Red Hat Linux 8.0 >>>> Getting headers from: Red Hat Linux 8.0 (i386) >>>> Getting headers from: Red Hat Linux 8.0 (i386) updates >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> A couple of things come to mind: >>> >>> 1/ you could try yumex as a GUI for yum to see all the packages listed >>> in front of you in a nice, ummmm, GUI. >>> >>> ... but, that will only work if you have the correct repositories >>> configured, so ... >>> >>> 2/ You seem to have the wrong repositories since yours all point to RH8 >>> instead of FC3 that is the basis of k12ltsp 4.2.0. Support for RH8 >>> would only be found in legacy repos - or did you say that already? >> >> >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From bill at computassist.com Thu May 19 19:20:07 2005 From: bill at computassist.com (Bill Bardon) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 14:20:07 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Help me fight FUD In-Reply-To: References: <428CE06C.2050900@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <20050519142007.1994a5bf@localhost.localdomain> On Thursday, May 19 Shawn Powers wrote: > I would have them try OO on those powerpoints... That's an old > enough version of office that I think OO would do nicely displaying > them. Also, the latest beta of OOo 2.0 is supposed to have enhanced MS compatibility. It might be worth installing OOo 2.0 beta to see if it makes a difference. -- Bill Bardon COMPUTASSIST Omaha, Nebraska http://www.computassist.com From dahopkins at comcast.net Thu May 19 19:30:10 2005 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (dahopkins at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 19:30:10 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Help me fight FUD Message-ID: <051920051930.6.428CE941000EDC710000000622007347489C0207059F01080E0B@comcast.net> > Some of these teachers have dozens of PowerPoint > presentations they've been using for years and the thought of having to > edit and reformat them all to account for the lack of Feature X in > OpenOffice is daunting. They'd rather hang on to the aging copy of MS > Office 97 they know, than face the future of a modern office suite they > don't know. You don't say if this is a K12LTSP environ, or OO.o on WinXX. So ... What about leaving that aging copy of Office 97 on the system. Then, if Feature X is missing, they can use MS Office for that presentation, and someone else (you?) could edit the presentation to be OO.o compatible if necessary? Also SO8 (OO.o 2?) has much better filters so it becomes less of an issue. Of course, human nature being what it is, they probably would not switch to OO.o if MS 97 is still available. If using LTSP, just put MS 97 on the server (under Wine) and restrict access to get same effect. You can't ever guarantee that there will be 100% compatibility. This is a very good example of the vendor lock-in issue and could be used as a case to actually move to OO.o even if issues will arise (look at the long term benefit vs short term pain). If the district can accept that there will be some issues, then just be sure to have a plan to address them as they arise. The teachers at NCS haven't had any real issues with SO7/OO.o. Also, some now have OO.o at home as well because it was just simpler than worrying about potential incompatibilities. > Have any of you fought this battle? I phased it in. Year 1-2) All students using OO.o without issues. Summer 2) School Director uses SO7 exclusively (removed MS Office from his system) for all needs. Notices a few issues, but nothing major. Year 3) School Director announces at initial beginning-of-year teacher orientation that SO7 is the Office suite, and that it is his only suite, both at school and at home. Kind of short circuited teachers/staff saying they couldn't use it. ;) Coming Year) Moving to SO8. Front Office staff systems) Left with a copy MS Office for 100% guaranteed compatibility with state DOE, but also have SO7 available. > Does anyone have any references that I can point these people to in order to > alleviate their fears? I am sure you could contact the school director if desired, I would just need to provide him a heads-up. Hesitant to publicly broadcast the number, so let me know if you want the number. > I don't want to waste the backing of the administration > on this, but I don't want to be lynched by a frightened mob either. Any > (useful) comments are welcome. thanks for reading. Sincerely, Dave Hopkins Newark Charter School From casey.woods at gmail.com Thu May 19 19:33:16 2005 From: casey.woods at gmail.com (Casey Woods) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 13:33:16 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Multimedia Message-ID: <428CE9FC.6000102@gmail.com> The administration at my school is really keen on going big time with LTSP technology. We have a great network (Gbit backbone with 100 Mbit to every desktop) so we have lots of bandwidth. I also have a pretty decent budget for buying a bunch of dual Opteron servers. Here's my problem: The students aren't just using the current Windows 2000 PCs for Word and email (mostly P3s with 128MB ram). The school has access to a bunch of web-based multimedia resources (streaming video and audio). The concern is that we'll have to take that away if we move to thin clients. Suggestions? Would a NoMachine client running locally do the trick? If I have tons of bandwidth will this run okay if I'm running rdesktop locally and run everything off my MS terminal server? Could I run Firefox and the required media player(s) as local apps? Any ideas? Thanks, Casey Woods From dyioulos at firstbhph.com Thu May 19 19:38:47 2005 From: dyioulos at firstbhph.com (Dimitri Yioulos) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 15:38:47 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Help me fight FUD In-Reply-To: <428CE06C.2050900@honeygroveisd.net> References: <428CE06C.2050900@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <200505191538.47439.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> On Thursday May 19 2005 2:52 pm, Mark Cockrell wrote: > Hello all, > We're looking at tossing MS Office entirely at our district in favor > of OpenOffice/StarOffice. The administration recognizes the cost > benefit and the more technically savvy teachers are ok with the change. > So far no on has questioned the ability of OO.o to meet our future > needs. The Fear Uncertainty and Doubt exist in relation our current > body of work. Some of these teachers have dozens of PowerPoint > presentations they've been using for years and the thought of having to > edit and reformat them all to account for the lack of Feature X in > OpenOffice is daunting. They'd rather hang on to the aging copy of MS > Office 97 they know, than face the future of a modern office suite they > don't know. Have any of you fought this battle? Does anyone have any > references that I can point these people to in order to alleviate their > fears? I don't want to waste the backing of the administration on this, > but I don't want to be lynched by a frightened mob either. Any (useful) > comments are welcome. I may be wrong on this, as it was once an issue, but now... Might try running Powerpoint via Wine. From tkaldahl at maplewoodacademy.org Thu May 19 18:00:05 2005 From: tkaldahl at maplewoodacademy.org (Tim Kaldahl) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 18:00:05 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Help me fight FUD In-Reply-To: <200505191538.47439.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> References: <428CE06C.2050900@honeygroveisd.net> <200505191538.47439.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> Message-ID: <200505191800.05706.tkaldahl@maplewoodacademy.org> On Thursday 19 May 2005 07:38 pm, Dimitri Yioulos wrote: > > Hello all, > > ? ? We're looking at tossing MS Office entirely at our district in favor > > of OpenOffice/StarOffice. ?The administration recognizes the cost > > benefit and the more technically savvy teachers are ok with the change. > > So far no on has questioned the ability of OO.o to meet our future > > needs. ?The Fear Uncertainty and Doubt exist in relation our current > > body of work. Remind everyone about the change from Word Perfect to Word. That was supposed to be the end of the world too. Tim Kaldahl From SHarbour at nwresd.k12.or.us Thu May 19 23:10:05 2005 From: SHarbour at nwresd.k12.or.us (Sean Harbour) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 16:10:05 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] What hardware for Squid/Dansguardian? Message-ID: <646574B39C491E4D8573C54D35FFE52CA01F5E@wsc-mail-01.intra.nwresd.k12.or.us> A P3-700 will typically handle at least 400 students, correctly configured. It may choke if there is a lot of multimedia going through it. A dual Xeon 2.8Ghz will handle several thousand, given enough RAM and fast SCSI drives. Memory is the most important, followed closely by CPU then disk speed. An adequate system that is crippled by low memory and slow hard drives will not perform acceptably. An adequate system with enough ram and a slow hard drive will work okay. Given a choice, I would put more RAM in a proxy cache vs faster hard drives. 128 MB is not enough for over 50 users, 256 MB over 200 users, 512 MB over 400 users typically. YMMV, but this is a good rule of thumb. The top and sar commands are your friends. Make sure that the maximum memory in use is not maxed out within minutes. If the system load is staying consistently over 3, you definitely need more CPU or to reconfigure your filter settings. I like to see the CPU load stay under .7 except during heavy load spikes, then I don't want it going over 1.5 if possible. There are some performance tweaks you can do to the system to optimize it. You can adjust the cache to hold more/larger objects in memory to reduce disk load, or less/smaller to reduce memory footprint. You can use a fast lookup optimized file system such as reiserfs for a small disk performance boost. You can change the filtering parameters. Just changing the phrasefiltermode setting in dansguardian.conf can half the cpu usage with very few downsides. In short, a 500 Mhz PC, with 256 MB RAM and a 10 GB IDE hard drive should perform adequately as an internet filter for a facility with around a 100 students total on a 512Kb Dsl circuit . A 1 Ghz PC with 512 MB RAM and a 40 GB IDE hard drive should handle around 400 students adequately on a 1.5 Mb T1 circuit . A dual 3 Ghz Xeon with 2 GB RAM and several 10000 rpm SCSI drives should be able to handle several thousand students with a 10 Mb circuit fairly well. For home use with dansguardian, I have seen acceptable performance with a dedicated Pentium 200 with 180 MB RAM on a cable modem, but some latency was noticeable. Latency was almost unnoticeable with an AMD 500 and 256 MB ram. Of course, these parameters can vary widely from situation to situation, but they should at least get you into the ballpark. Sean Harbour sharbour at nwresd.k12.or.us >Fortunately we have a local vendor who gave us an excellent ($1700) >price on a dual 2.8Ghz Xeon small server/graphics workstation box that >they had, which has worked out great for us. >My hypothesis is that the single processor setup simply couldn't keep up >with the heat generated by doing so much work on the single unit, where >the dual processor setup spreads the load/heat around enough that the >fans can keep up. >Of course I don't have any "technical data" to back this hypothesis up >(besides the fact that the new proxy hasn't had a problem since we put >it in), so your mileage most likely will vary. On Thu, 2005-05-19 at 00:07, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > What hardware is more important for a caching/filtering proxy server > that runs Squid/Dansguardian for a school of ~300 internet > connections. > > I'm thinking from most important to least > > 1) hard disks > 2) memory > 3) cpu > > Anyone agree/disagree? What min. sys. req. would people recommend? -- Jonathan S. White Computer Technician Shaker Regional School District jwhite at shaker.k12.nh.us (603) 267-9223 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 4495 bytes Desc: not available URL: From drloomis at cox-internet.com Fri May 20 00:51:04 2005 From: drloomis at cox-internet.com (Dr. Daniel Loomis) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 19:51:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! Message-ID: <1116550264.5468.15.camel@harpo.curmudgeon.not> I just updated my server from k12ltsp4.2 to 4.2.1 using CDROMs and now I get: kernel panic - not syncing: Attempting to kill init The error occurs when switching from the initrd to hd root. The grub file looks ok and the kernel is 2.6.11-1.14_FC3smb The root directory is on /dev/sda6 so I tried changing from root=LABEL=/1 to root=/dev/sda6, but get the same error message. The server is a Tyan 2460 with dual Athlon MP 1600, 29160 Adaptec scsi card and IBM 34gb scsi drive. Partitioning is as follows: boot = /dev/sda1 home = /dev/sda2 var = /dev/sda3 usr = /dev/sda5 / = /dev/sda6 swap = /dev/sda7 I understand there were problems of the type reported above with kernel 2.6.9, but have not run across anyone having that problem in the 2.6.11 kernels. I suppose it could be a problem with smp and acpi, but that has not been a problem in the past on this machine. Dan From brcisna at frontiernet.net Fri May 20 01:02:37 2005 From: brcisna at frontiernet.net (Barry R Cisna) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 20:02:37 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! References: <1116550264.5468.15.camel@harpo.curmudgeon.not> Message-ID: <009101c55cd7$9dbb29a0$01fea8c0@brcHOST> Daniel.. I had same prob with an clean install of 4.2.0. a few months back. It is your IPv6 "services"///settings,, I had to reformat several times,,on 4 differnet machines,, before i figured out,,what it was,actually was causing it.. I'll put a list of things you need to disable in services[not needed],( that are enabled by default).,tomorow,FRI,after i can see what the services listings are., You'll need to make sure your network wires are unplugged from both nics,, before you start to reformat!:(.. Then you have to disable some network services:>.then plug in your network wires,,AFTER disabling some services. I would bet money that this happend to your servers >after< you rebooted,,one or two times.( This is how it happend on ours). I know this doesnt sound logical but Im sure this is your prob( I think)...:).. Hope this gives some "hope" for figuring your prob. Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr. Daniel Loomis" To: Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 7:51 PM Subject: [K12OSN] Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! > I just updated my server from k12ltsp4.2 to 4.2.1 using CDROMs and now I > get: > > kernel panic - not syncing: Attempting to kill init > > The error occurs when switching from the initrd to hd root. > > The grub file looks ok and the kernel is 2.6.11-1.14_FC3smb > > The root directory is on /dev/sda6 so I tried changing from > root=LABEL=/1 to root=/dev/sda6, but get the same error message. > > The server is a Tyan 2460 with dual Athlon MP 1600, 29160 Adaptec scsi > card and IBM 34gb scsi drive. Partitioning is as follows: > > boot = /dev/sda1 > home = /dev/sda2 > var = /dev/sda3 > usr = /dev/sda5 > / = /dev/sda6 > swap = /dev/sda7 > > I understand there were problems of the type reported above with kernel > 2.6.9, but have not run across anyone having that problem in the 2.6.11 > kernels. I suppose it could be a problem with smp and acpi, but that has > not been a problem in the past on this machine. > > Dan > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From kmgrant at actaccess.net Thu May 19 20:59:05 2005 From: kmgrant at actaccess.net (Ken Grant) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 20:59:05 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] DHCP Questions - Putting a Windows client in FC3 lab In-Reply-To: <20050519190924.64676.qmail@web52908.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050519190924.64676.qmail@web52908.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <428CFE19.6040604@actaccess.net> Is the Windows client pulling an IP address? If you run ipconfig /all you should get your IP address and gateway information. You can set both Firefox and IE to automatically detect proxy settitngs. This may be a good idea just in case your proxy server is using a port other that 8080. In Firefox go to Tool > Options and click on the "Connection Settings" button. In IE go to Tool > Options and select Lan. HTH, Ken richard ingalls wrote: >I have an existing FC3 classroom lab with one server a >just a few clients. I need to add just one Windows >client into this room & it needs to have internet >access. What are the settings I need to adjust on >either the client or the server to make this happen? >The server goes through a squid/DG proxy server in my >bldg. > >I tried adjusting the TCP/IP settings on the Windows >client to obtain it's IP address automatically, but >couldn't get online with Firefox or IE. > >Any help is appreciated! Thanks. > > > > >Yahoo! Mail >Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: >http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From kmgrant at actaccess.net Thu May 19 22:17:56 2005 From: kmgrant at actaccess.net (Ken Grant) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 22:17:56 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Installations in Tucson, AZ? In-Reply-To: <428CCFBC.3010602@earthlink.net> References: <428CCFBC.3010602@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <428D1094.1070501@actaccess.net> Hi Rita: I'm in Wyoming, a fair bit away from you, but would gladly help you in any way I can. Ken ken at hncswy.org Rita Gibson wrote: > > I have been contacted by someone interested in k12ltsp and am > wondering if there is anyone on this list that is in Arizona, or more > precisely Tucson, AZ, that might be able to assist this school if they > are interested in implementing a Linux based network? > > Thanks, > > Rita Gibson > RMSEL > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From tom.hoffman at gmail.com Fri May 20 05:05:49 2005 From: tom.hoffman at gmail.com (Tom Hoffman) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 01:05:49 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] CoSN Primer Message-ID: <92de6c8805051922052960d957@mail.gmail.com> On the subject of advocacy, I don't know if anyone has mentioned a recent report sponsored by CoSN (Consortium for School Networking http://cosn.org) called "Primer on Open Technologies in K-12 Education." It's short, about 5 pages, and covers open source software, open standards and interop (i.e., SIF). It is quite well written. The catch is that if you're not a member of CoSN it is $25 to download it. On the other hand, if we're talking about making suits feel impressed by something, giving them a report you had to pay for may be perversely effective. On the third hand, there's nothing in there you haven't heard before, so don't get your panties in a bunch about their decision to charge for it. It's their loss. --Tom From info at proex-india.com Fri May 20 08:43:11 2005 From: info at proex-india.com (info) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 14:13:11 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] No luck with ssh key storing for users Message-ID: Hello, Everyone please let me know which public key i need to copy in which directory?? I have generated the keys as per the documents and local apps are working perfectly. Only thing is i have to enter password everytime. Which public key i need to copy in which file? please let me know the file names also. thanks Sudev for help Regards K.dinesh *********************************************************************** In a World Without Fences Who Needs GATES ? *********************************************************************** This message and any attached files will have been checked with virus detection software before transmission. However, recipients must carry out their own virus checks before opening any attachment. Company accepts no liability for any loss or damage, which may be caused by software viruses. *********************************************************************** -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.13 - Release Date: 5/19/05 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.13 - Release Date: 5/19/05 From boris.lenzinger at castify.net Fri May 20 09:22:53 2005 From: boris.lenzinger at castify.net (Boris Lenzinger) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 11:22:53 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] No luck with ssh key storing for users In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <428DAC6D.4010103@castify.net> ssh Host1 ---> Host2 (you) Copy the file id_rsa.pub from your ~/.ssh folder to the remote machine within folder ~user/.ssh with the name authorized_keys2 Try to connect: it should connect with no password. If you have supplied a passphrase at creation time of your keys, then you will be prompted for your passphrase. Boris info wrote: >Hello, Everyone >please let me know which public key i need to copy in which directory?? >I have generated the keys as per the documents and local apps are >working perfectly. >Only thing is i have to enter password everytime. > >Which public key i need to copy in which file? >please let me know the file names also. > >thanks Sudev for help > > >Regards >K.dinesh >*********************************************************************** >In a World Without Fences Who Needs GATES ? >*********************************************************************** >This message and any attached files will have been checked with virus >detection software before transmission. However, recipients must carry >out their own virus checks before opening any attachment. Company >accepts no liability for any loss or damage, which may be caused by >software viruses. >*********************************************************************** > > > > > From hick518 at yahoo.com Fri May 20 10:08:41 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 03:08:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Help me fight FUD In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050520100841.42469.qmail@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Sounds like you're still using Windows, right? I agree with Dave that you should let them keep PowerPoint97 if they really want it. But make it clear that there will be no upgrades to this software and that there will be no official tech support. They are on their own, and on a dead-end path. Sooner or later OpenOffice will have more features than PowerPoint97 (it might already be the case) and everyone will want to use it. -Rob --- dahopkins at comcast.net wrote: > > Some of these teachers have dozens of PowerPoint > > presentations they've been using for years and the > thought of having to > > edit and reformat them all to account for the lack > of Feature X in > > OpenOffice is daunting. They'd rather hang on to > the aging copy of MS > > Office 97 they know, than face the future of a > modern office suite they > > don't know. > > You don't say if this is a K12LTSP environ, or OO.o > on WinXX. So ... > What about leaving that aging copy of Office 97 on > the system. Then, if Feature X is missing, they can > use MS Office for that presentation, and someone > else (you?) could edit the presentation to be OO.o > compatible if necessary? Also SO8 (OO.o 2?) has > much better filters so it becomes less of an issue. > Of course, human nature being what it is, they > probably would not switch to OO.o if MS 97 is still > available. If using LTSP, just put MS 97 on the > server (under Wine) and restrict access to get same > effect. > > You can't ever guarantee that there will be 100% > compatibility. This is a very good example of the > vendor lock-in issue and could be used as a case to > actually move to OO.o even if issues will arise > (look at the long term benefit vs short term pain). > If the district can accept that there will be some > issues, then just be sure to have a plan to address > them as they arise. The teachers at NCS haven't had > any real issues with SO7/OO.o. Also, some now have > OO.o at home as well because it was just simpler > than worrying about potential incompatibilities. > > > Have any of you fought this battle? > > I phased it in. > Year 1-2) All students using OO.o without issues. > Summer 2) School Director uses SO7 exclusively > (removed MS Office from his system) for all needs. > Notices a few issues, but nothing major. > Year 3) School Director announces at initial > beginning-of-year teacher orientation that SO7 is > the Office suite, and that it is his only suite, > both at school and at home. Kind of short circuited > teachers/staff saying they couldn't use it. ;) > Coming Year) Moving to SO8. > > Front Office staff systems) Left with a copy MS > Office for 100% guaranteed compatibility with state > DOE, but also have SO7 available. > > > Does anyone have any references that I can point > these people to in order to > > alleviate their fears? > > I am sure you could contact the school director if > desired, I would just need to provide him a > heads-up. Hesitant to publicly broadcast the > number, so let me know if you want the number. > > > I don't want to waste the backing of the > administration > > on this, but I don't want to be lynched by a > frightened mob either. Any > > (useful) comments are welcome. > > thanks for reading. > > Sincerely, > Dave Hopkins > Newark Charter School > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail From gumprechtm at msln.net Fri May 20 11:10:21 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 07:10:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] No luck with ssh key storing for users In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1116587421.7526.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2005-05-20 at 14:13 +0530, info wrote: > Hello, Everyone > please let me know which public key i need to copy in which directory?? > I have generated the keys as per the documents and local apps are > working perfectly. > Only thing is i have to enter password everytime. If you have copied the *.pub key to the server and cat *.pub >> authorized_keys (2), Then check the permissions on the ~.ssh directory and the auth files. Make sure they are set to 400. What happens is you may have the keys proper, but if the permissions are too permissive, ssh will not trust the key when sent. > Which public key i need to copy in which file? > please let me know the file names also. When you generate the keys with ssh-keygen -t rsa , and use defaults with no pass phrase, you will have a key pair of id_rsa and id_rsa.pub. The .pub file goes to the server and the the other stays on the client. One way to get the public key to the server is to scp (secure copy) it to the server into the /root/.ssh/ . Then cat *.pub >> authorized_keys . Then cat *.pub >> authorized_keys2 . *.pub is whatever you wanted to name the file when ssh-keygen was run. You could name it "My_personal_rsa" if you wanted and it will create a pair called "My_personal_rsa" and "My_personal_rsa.pub" . I'm sure someone has a link to a better explanation, as always, I can not seem to find the page I used, but it was from this list. man ssh will also help. HTH Mark From jhansknecht at hanstech.com Fri May 20 12:14:55 2005 From: jhansknecht at hanstech.com (John Hansknecht) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 08:14:55 -0400 Subject: [ok-mail] [K12OSN] Help me fight FUD Message-ID: <200505200814.55656.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> On Thursday 19 May 2005 14:52, Mark Cockrell wrote: > SNIP > Some of these teachers have dozens of PowerPoint > presentations they've been using for years and the thought of having to > edit and reformat them all to account for the lack of Feature X in > OpenOffice is daunting. They'd rather hang on to the aging copy of MS > Office 97 they know, than face the future of a modern office suite they > don't know. Have any of you fought this battle? If you are not yet switching the PC's to Linux (or perhaps with Wine?) we have installed the PowerPoint Viewer during the transition so that they can still use their old PowerPoint .... it has kept them happy but it has also slowed their conversion efforts. -- Thanks, John From bimal.pandit at indoasian.com Fri May 20 12:04:50 2005 From: bimal.pandit at indoasian.com (Bimal Pandit) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 17:34:50 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Re:No luck with ssh key storing for users (info) Message-ID: <428DD262.3000108@indoasian.com> Dear Sir, here is the exact process, which never failed for me till date (atleast)!! AUTOMATING SSH -------------- making an automated(without asking password) process for SSH between "bimalserver"(10.10.10.1) and "balwantserver"(10.10.10.5) do as login on bimalserver as a general user "bimal" and execute ssh-keygen command as... [bimal at bimalserver bimal]$ ssh-keygen -t rsa Generating public/private rsa key pair. Enter file in which to save the key (/home/bimal/.ssh/id_rsa): Created directory '/home/bimal/.ssh'. Enter passphrase (empty for no passphrase): Enter same passphrase again: Your identification has been saved in /home/bimal/.ssh/id_rsa. Your public key has been saved in /home/bimal/.ssh/id_rsa.pub. The key fingerprint is: b8:30:b8:b3:53:4c:29:60:0e:fe:5f:c0:58:3c:6e:df bimal at bimalserver NOTE:- ------ 1) if you don't provide a file name it will create it at its own. 2) keep "passphrase" BLANK i.e. just hit enter when asked for,now you need to put "id_rsa.pub" file(in fact, content) onto other machine in the home of a user as of whom you want to get in e.g there is another machine "balwantserver" on which there is a user "balwant" so what you need to do is, in the "/home/balwant/.ssh/" directory of user "balwant" of "balwantserver" create a file "authorized_keys2" and put the content of "id_rsa.pub" of user "bimal" of "bimalserver" in it i.e. from bimalserver do [bimal at bimalserver bimal]$ scp /home/bimal/.ssh/id_rsa.pub balwant at balwantserver:/home/balwant/.ssh/bimal_pub_key (you need to provide balwant's password as of now) now do on balwantserver [balwant at balwantserver balwant]$ cd .ssh [balwant at balwantserver .ssh]$ cat bimal_pub_key >> authorized_keys2 now check whether this is working or not so, on server bimalserver [bimal at bimalserver bimal]$ ssh -l balwant balwantserver whoami this should return balwant, if not that means your ssh automated part is having some error!! and either of "US" has commited a mistake, please - recheck it and inform me too... regards, Bimal Pandit -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cockrell at honeygroveisd.net Fri May 20 13:25:58 2005 From: cockrell at honeygroveisd.net (Mark Cockrell) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 08:25:58 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Help me fight FUD In-Reply-To: <20050520085247.B8253734CB@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050520085247.B8253734CB@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <428DE566.8080806@honeygroveisd.net> I've composited some of the responses I received on this and responded throughout. > I would have them try OO on those powerpoints... That's an old enough > version of office that I think OO would do nicely displaying them. > > So I guess "try to break it and see what happens" would be a valid > starting point. We've had StarOffice 6.0/7.0 on the machines for a couple of years. Most of them have at least attempted to open something with it and immediately freaked out. >You don't say if this is a K12LTSP environ, or OO.o on WinXX. So ... > > Primarily a Windows network running mostly XP with some NT 4.0 workstations. We do have K12LTSP in two labs, 3 libraries, and some classrooms. The students don't have a problem with it. >What about leaving that aging copy of Office 97 on the system. Then, if Feature X is missing, they can use MS Office for that presentation, and someone else (you?) could edit the presentation to be OO.o compatible if necessary? > Not an option. If MS Office is available, they WILL use it exclusively. The administration is pretty firm on the stance that whatever we do, we'll do exclusively. All MS, or all StarOffice. >Also SO8 (OO.o 2?) has > much better filters so it becomes less of an issue. > I haven't tested either of these extensively, but there are certain to be problems. One HUGE issue is that Impress can't play sounds across multiple slides, i.e. play a song throughout a slide show. This one issue is almost a show-stopper. I haven't been able to find any documentation anywhere that says this issue has been resolved in the upcoming versions. Anyone have a comment on this? >You can't ever guarantee that there will be 100% compatibility. This is a very good example of the vendor lock-in issue and could be used as a case to actually move to OO.o even if issues will arise (look at the long term benefit vs short term pain). > > I know these things to be true. What I'm hoping to find here are some clever, creative, effective ways to illustrate the salience of these points to a 57-year-old Auto Shop teacher, for example. >Remind everyone about the change from Word Perfect to Word. That was supposed >to be the end of the world too. > > We still have people mad about that. ;) C-ya, Mark ____ "Drama is life with the dull bits cut out." -- Alfred Hitchcock From petre at maltzen.net Fri May 20 13:27:04 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 08:27:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Help me fight FUD In-Reply-To: <200505191800.05706.tkaldahl@maplewoodacademy.org> References: <428CE06C.2050900@honeygroveisd.net> <200505191538.47439.dyioulos@firstbhph.com> <200505191800.05706.tkaldahl@maplewoodacademy.org> Message-ID: <428DE5A8.2060304@maltzen.net> Speaking of WordPerfect, when talking with people who say "Kids should use MS Office because that is what they'll encounter in the business world", it should be pointed out that WordPerfect is still used quite a lot, particularly in legal environments. The idea that the world only uses MS Office is a simplistic myth, partly created by reports on the *sales* numbers of MS Office & WordPerfect, which don't reveal anything about the existing installed base. The point is it's a false assumption, which therefore leads to bad conclusions like the above claim. Not to mention, as we have all discussed, kids need to learn the concepts, not the particulars of one word processor over another. Petre Tim Kaldahl wrote: > On Thursday 19 May 2005 07:38 pm, Dimitri Yioulos wrote: > >>>Hello all, >>> We're looking at tossing MS Office entirely at our district in favor >>>of OpenOffice/StarOffice. The administration recognizes the cost >>>benefit and the more technically savvy teachers are ok with the change. >>>So far no on has questioned the ability of OO.o to meet our future >>>needs. The Fear Uncertainty and Doubt exist in relation our current >>>body of work. > > > Remind everyone about the change from Word Perfect to Word. That was supposed > to be the end of the world too. > > Tim Kaldahl > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From petre at maltzen.net Fri May 20 13:37:50 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 08:37:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re:No luck with ssh key storing for users (info) In-Reply-To: <428DD262.3000108@indoasian.com> References: <428DD262.3000108@indoasian.com> Message-ID: <428DE82E.3020503@maltzen.net> Bimal Pandit wrote: > [balwant at balwantserver .ssh]$ cat bimal_pub_key >> authorized_keys2 > Try cat-ing it to authorized_keys, that is, leave off the 2. I don't think it's necessary any more. Another thing to check, as others have aluded to, is the permissions of authorized_keys, your /home/bimal/.ssh directory, and the /home/bimal directory; if any of these have the write permission for Other set, ssh will prompt for a password. Petre From les at futuresource.com Fri May 20 14:12:31 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 09:12:31 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Help me fight FUD In-Reply-To: <428DE566.8080806@honeygroveisd.net> References: <20050520085247.B8253734CB@hormel.redhat.com> <428DE566.8080806@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <1116598351.28182.2.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2005-05-20 at 08:25, Mark Cockrell wrote: > > > Not an option. If MS Office is available, they WILL use it > exclusively. The administration is pretty firm on the stance that > whatever we do, we'll do exclusively. All MS, or all StarOffice. It's really too bad that they don't see the similarity of this with an administrative decision to only use textbooks from one vendor regardless of the price or content. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From hick518 at yahoo.com Fri May 20 14:24:44 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 07:24:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Help me fight FUD In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050520142444.26801.qmail@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Mark Cockrell wrote: > Primarily a Windows network running mostly XP with > some NT 4.0 > workstations. We do have K12LTSP in two labs, 3 > libraries, and some > classrooms. The students don't have a problem with > it. Then point out to the PowerPoint lovers that to be 100% compatible with *the rest of the school*, they must use Star Office / OpenOffice > > >What about leaving that aging copy of Office 97 on > the system. Then, if Feature X is missing, they can > use MS Office for that presentation, and someone > else (you?) could edit the presentation to be OO.o > compatible if necessary? > > > Not an option. If MS Office is available, they WILL > use it > exclusively. The administration is pretty firm on > the stance that > whatever we do, we'll do exclusively. All MS, or > all StarOffice. > If the administration has already made up their mind that Star/Open Office will be used exclusively, then the teachers can be mad at the administration and not you. But honestly, I don't see the harm in letting the stubborn ones continue to use software that you have already paid for (PowerPoint 97). But point out to them that they are not being team players (I hate that term), because they are continuing to put effort into presentations that can never be of any benefit to the rest of the crew who is using Star/OpenOffice. For instance, your 57 year old auto shop teacher's PowerPoint file will be useless to whatever teacher takes his place after retirement. If he tells you that he's not putting any effort into it, and that it's just the same old presentation that never changes and all he wants to do is be able to show it to students, well then he's got a point. And that's why I think you should keep PowerPoint 97 for anybody who insists they need it. But don't dedicate any school resources (tech support, etc) to it and encourage and praise the use of Star/OpenOffice. Perhaps you could set up a repository somewhere that teachers can use to share their OpenOffice presentations with other teachers. This way every math teacher has easy access to a presentation made by every other math teacher. You could exclude the PowerPoint users from this if you want. -Rob __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From m3freak at rogers.com Fri May 20 14:46:48 2005 From: m3freak at rogers.com (Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 10:46:48 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Help me fight FUD In-Reply-To: <1116598351.28182.2.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <20050520085247.B8253734CB@hormel.redhat.com> <428DE566.8080806@honeygroveisd.net> <1116598351.28182.2.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1116600408.4640.3.camel@krs> On Fri, 2005-20-05 at 09:12 -0500, Les Mikesell wrote: > It's really too bad that they don't see the similarity of this with > an administrative decision to only use textbooks from one vendor > regardless of the price or content. That is an excellent point. Regards, Ranbir -- Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu Systems Aligned Inc. www.systemsaligned.com From dahopkins at comcast.net Fri May 20 14:47:16 2005 From: dahopkins at comcast.net (Dave Hopkins) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 10:47:16 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Help me fight FUD In-Reply-To: <428DE566.8080806@honeygroveisd.net> References: <20050520085247.B8253734CB@hormel.redhat.com> <428DE566.8080806@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <428DF874.8030003@comcast.net> > Not an option. If MS Office is available, they WILL use it exclusively. The administration is pretty firm on > the stance that whatever we do, we'll do exclusively. All MS, or all StarOffice. It sounds like the teachers/staff have almost made the decision for you. Since you can't guarantee 100% compatibility and you also have to have continuous sound in Impress, there aren't many options unless the administration is willing to look long term. But ... Hot off the presses: http://asia.cnet.com/news/specialreports/0,39037117,39230757,00.htm discusses the rapid (?) adoption of OSS in Asia. If 1/3 of the world's population is moving in this direction, perhaps we should also? Perhaps this can sway the administration? Or that 57 year old auto shop teacher? > I know these things to be true. What I'm hoping to find here are some clever, creative, effective ways to > illustrate the salience of these points to a 57-year-old Auto Shop teacher, for example. Can't claim to be creative, but ... Perhaps an automotive analogy: Does every one drive the same car? Is it worth teaching about or using different vehicles to learn both how they are similar and different? Can't we also adapt to a different word processor? Or, appeal to a baser motive, in money terms, if you save money on the Office suite, he might get better equipment for his shop from some of the savings? From jritchie at bible.edu Fri May 20 14:56:36 2005 From: jritchie at bible.edu (Ritchie, Josiah S.) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 10:56:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Help me fight FUD Message-ID: <6EB812DA48A19740BE7CD3BC07C792FA508622@rebekah.bible.edu> Maybe some students could get extra credit for converting a presentation for a prof. that is especially resistant or ask the computer teacher to do this as a class assignment. That way students interact with materials on other subjects, learn Ooo presenter and you get things converted. Seems like a win-win situation. Then you could setup a deadline of 1 year for conversions and anything the computer class doesn't do could be done for extra credit in someone else's class. Again, the student gets interaction with the class material. I'm assuming the profs would try the convert and only hand over the ones that didn't easily make the transition. JSR/ > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Rob Owens > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 10:25 AM > To: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Re: Help me fight FUD > > --- Mark Cockrell wrote: > > Primarily a Windows network running mostly XP with some NT 4.0 > > workstations. We do have K12LTSP in two labs, 3 libraries, > and some > > classrooms. The students don't have a problem with it. > > Then point out to the PowerPoint lovers that to be 100% > compatible with *the rest of the school*, they must use Star > Office / OpenOffice From mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us Fri May 20 15:07:14 2005 From: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us (Mark Sarria) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 08:07:14 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: OSX Help In-Reply-To: <71AB9BAF-B32B-11D9-A059-000A95C48860@chatham.k12.nc.us> Message-ID: <200505201507.j4KF7G5l003107@mx3.redhat.com> I am successfully authenticating to my Samba LDAP server from my MAC OS 10.2.8 iBook. IF you would like instructions I would be glad to email them to you --mark -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Jimmy Schwankl Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 5:39 AM To: jim at winonacotter.org Cc: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: [K12OSN] Re: OSX Help Jim Kronenbusch wrote: > I have setup OSX successfully to auth to the new SAMBA/LDAP package. > No local > accounts needed on OSX other than the admin account, but it will work > in > conjunction with local accounts as well. I will be using this on our > whole > campus next year and make the switch over the summer. > > It connects over LDAP and when you get your login screen in OSX it > pulls from > the Linux LDAP server. Upon login it mounts your home folder via nfs > as the > native OSX home folder locally. This gives you full roaming profiles > with > OSX! Very cool. > > If you are interested in going this way let me know and I'll document > this. > Currently it works with 10.3 and I will be updating this to be sure it > works > with 10.4 when my copy of that shows up in the next week or 2. I > assume it > will be similar to what is needed in 10.2 as well but there may be > slight > changes. Apple seems to be constantly updating the admin portion of > LDAP. Jim, I'm very interested in going that way. Any documentation you can give in that regards would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Jimmy Schwankl **This message was sent from the Chatham County Schools Mail Server** *****All e-mail correspondence to and from this address is subject to the North Carolina Public Records Law, which may result in monitoring and disclosure to third parties, including law enforcement.***** _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From hick518 at yahoo.com Fri May 20 15:14:26 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 08:14:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Help me fight FUD In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050520151426.13790.qmail@web32815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> This reminds me: you need training. There's nothing worse than somebody telling you that you can't use the old tools that you're used to, and that you must use this new set of tools, but you must teach yourself how to use them. You should set up a training session for all the faculty and tell them that by the end of the session, they will have (with your help) converted all their old powerpoint presentations to Star Office. -Rob --- "Ritchie, Josiah S." wrote: > Maybe some students could get extra credit for > converting a presentation > for a prof. that is especially resistant or ask the > computer teacher to > do this as a class assignment. That way students > interact with materials > on other subjects, learn Ooo presenter and you get > things converted. > > Seems like a win-win situation. Then you could setup > a deadline of 1 > year for conversions and anything the computer class > doesn't do could be > done for extra credit in someone else's class. > Again, the student gets > interaction with the class material. > > I'm assuming the profs would try the convert and > only hand over the ones > that didn't easily make the transition. > > JSR/ > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com > > [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of > Rob Owens > > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 10:25 AM > > To: Support list for opensource software in > schools. > > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Re: Help me fight FUD > > > > --- Mark Cockrell > wrote: > > > Primarily a Windows network running mostly XP > with some NT 4.0 > > > workstations. We do have K12LTSP in two labs, 3 > libraries, > > and some > > > classrooms. The students don't have a problem > with it. > > > > Then point out to the PowerPoint lovers that to be > 100% > > compatible with *the rest of the school*, they > must use Star > > Office / OpenOffice > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From petre at maltzen.net Fri May 20 15:18:38 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 10:18:38 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: OSX Help In-Reply-To: <200505201507.j4KF7G5l003107@mx3.redhat.com> References: <200505201507.j4KF7G5l003107@mx3.redhat.com> Message-ID: <428DFFCE.2040500@maltzen.net> Put your instructions in the wiki, for future use. Mark Sarria wrote: > I am successfully authenticating to my Samba LDAP server from my MAC OS > 10.2.8 iBook. IF you would like instructions I would be glad to email them > to you > --mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of Jimmy Schwankl > Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 5:39 AM > To: jim at winonacotter.org > Cc: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: [K12OSN] Re: OSX Help > > Jim Kronenbusch wrote: > > >>I have setup OSX successfully to auth to the new SAMBA/LDAP package. >>No local >>accounts needed on OSX other than the admin account, but it will work >>in >>conjunction with local accounts as well. I will be using this on our >>whole >>campus next year and make the switch over the summer. >> >>It connects over LDAP and when you get your login screen in OSX it >>pulls from >>the Linux LDAP server. Upon login it mounts your home folder via nfs >>as the >>native OSX home folder locally. This gives you full roaming profiles >>with >>OSX! Very cool. >> >>If you are interested in going this way let me know and I'll document >>this. >>Currently it works with 10.3 and I will be updating this to be sure it >>works >>with 10.4 when my copy of that shows up in the next week or 2. I >>assume it >>will be similar to what is needed in 10.2 as well but there may be >>slight >>changes. Apple seems to be constantly updating the admin portion of >>LDAP. > > > Jim, > > I'm very interested in going that way. Any documentation you can give > in that regards would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > Jimmy Schwankl > > > **This message was sent from the Chatham County Schools Mail Server** > *****All e-mail correspondence to and from this address is subject to > the North Carolina Public Records Law, which may result in monitoring > and disclosure to third parties, including law enforcement.***** > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From vlad_rachinsky at yahoo.com Fri May 20 15:30:33 2005 From: vlad_rachinsky at yahoo.com (Vlad Rachinsky) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 08:30:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [ok-mail] [K12OSN] Help me fight FUD In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050520153033.94100.qmail@web81803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Some of these teachers have dozens of PowerPoint > presentations they've been using for years and the > thought of having to > edit and reformat them all to account for the lack > of Feature X in > > OpenOffice is daunting. They'd rather hang on to > the aging copy of MS > > Office 97 they know, than face the future of a > modern office suite they > > don't know. Hi John ! I think to eliminate all Windows tools is a wrong way. I use Windows 2003 server and my clients can connect by using rDesktop. Some app. like New Century Edu. work only in Windows (they need MS Word, VB etc.). So if it sounds good and you need more help you I can share. Vlad Rachinsky. GJUHS District, Sacramento, CA (916) 286-5135 vlad_rachinsky at yahoo.com From mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us Fri May 20 16:05:36 2005 From: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us (Mark Sarria) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 09:05:36 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: OSX Help In-Reply-To: <428DFFCE.2040500@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <200505201605.j4KG5biN009984@mx1.redhat.com> Instructions for OSX 10.0 and later client, LDAP setup -----Original Message----- From: Petre Scheie [mailto:petre at maltzen.net] Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 8:19 AM To: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us; Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Re: OSX Help Put your instructions in the wiki, for future use. Mark Sarria wrote: > I am successfully authenticating to my Samba LDAP server from my MAC OS > 10.2.8 iBook. IF you would like instructions I would be glad to email them > to you > --mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf > Of Jimmy Schwankl > Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 5:39 AM > To: jim at winonacotter.org > Cc: Support list for opensource software in schools. > Subject: [K12OSN] Re: OSX Help > > Jim Kronenbusch wrote: > > >>I have setup OSX successfully to auth to the new SAMBA/LDAP package. >>No local >>accounts needed on OSX other than the admin account, but it will work >>in >>conjunction with local accounts as well. I will be using this on our >>whole >>campus next year and make the switch over the summer. >> >>It connects over LDAP and when you get your login screen in OSX it >>pulls from >>the Linux LDAP server. Upon login it mounts your home folder via nfs >>as the >>native OSX home folder locally. This gives you full roaming profiles >>with >>OSX! Very cool. >> >>If you are interested in going this way let me know and I'll document >>this. >>Currently it works with 10.3 and I will be updating this to be sure it >>works >>with 10.4 when my copy of that shows up in the next week or 2. I >>assume it >>will be similar to what is needed in 10.2 as well but there may be >>slight >>changes. Apple seems to be constantly updating the admin portion of >>LDAP. > > > Jim, > > I'm very interested in going that way. Any documentation you can give > in that regards would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > Jimmy Schwankl > > > **This message was sent from the Chatham County Schools Mail Server** > *****All e-mail correspondence to and from this address is subject to > the North Carolina Public Records Law, which may result in monitoring > and disclosure to third parties, including law enforcement.***** > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: OSX LDAP Setup.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 11589 bytes Desc: not available URL: From carl at snarlnet.com Fri May 20 16:12:31 2005 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 09:12:31 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] RE: Help Me Fight FUD Message-ID: <428E0C6F.6070100@snarlnet.com> Isn't there a free PowerPoint "Player" from MS? You could install that for all the "etched-in-stone" ppt's out there that aren't ever going to change. It could reduce the number of ppt's you have to convert. At least inititally. By the time crusty old shop teacher retires, the OO filters will do a perfect job. ck From petre at maltzen.net Fri May 20 16:48:28 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 11:48:28 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: OSX Help In-Reply-To: <20050520160508.9E9991A80BE@ds209-148.ipowerweb.com> References: <20050520160508.9E9991A80BE@ds209-148.ipowerweb.com> Message-ID: <428E14DC.7080703@maltzen.net> Okay, I added the contents of your PDF to the wiki under Technical. Thanks for writing that up. Petre Mark Sarria wrote: > Instructions for OSX 10.0 and later client, LDAP setup > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Petre Scheie [mailto:petre at maltzen.net] > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 8:19 AM > To: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us; Support list for opensource software in > schools. > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Re: OSX Help > > Put your instructions in the wiki, for future use. > > Mark Sarria wrote: > >>I am successfully authenticating to my Samba LDAP server from my MAC OS >>10.2.8 iBook. IF you would like instructions I would be glad to email them >>to you >>--mark >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On > > Behalf > >>Of Jimmy Schwankl >>Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 5:39 AM >>To: jim at winonacotter.org >>Cc: Support list for opensource software in schools. >>Subject: [K12OSN] Re: OSX Help >> >>Jim Kronenbusch wrote: >> >> >> >>>I have setup OSX successfully to auth to the new SAMBA/LDAP package. >>>No local >>>accounts needed on OSX other than the admin account, but it will work >>>in >>>conjunction with local accounts as well. I will be using this on our >>>whole >>>campus next year and make the switch over the summer. >>> >>>It connects over LDAP and when you get your login screen in OSX it >>>pulls from >>>the Linux LDAP server. Upon login it mounts your home folder via nfs >>>as the >>>native OSX home folder locally. This gives you full roaming profiles >>>with >>>OSX! Very cool. >>> >>>If you are interested in going this way let me know and I'll document >>>this. >>>Currently it works with 10.3 and I will be updating this to be sure it >>>works >>>with 10.4 when my copy of that shows up in the next week or 2. I >>>assume it >>>will be similar to what is needed in 10.2 as well but there may be >>>slight >>>changes. Apple seems to be constantly updating the admin portion of >>>LDAP. >> >> >>Jim, >> >>I'm very interested in going that way. Any documentation you can give >>in that regards would be greatly appreciated. >> >>Thanks, >>Jimmy Schwankl >> >> >>**This message was sent from the Chatham County Schools Mail Server** >>*****All e-mail correspondence to and from this address is subject to >>the North Carolina Public Records Law, which may result in monitoring >>and disclosure to third parties, including law enforcement.***** >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> From nbs at sonic.net Fri May 20 17:16:43 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 10:16:43 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Help me fight FUD In-Reply-To: <20050520142444.26801.qmail@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050520142444.26801.qmail@web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050520171643.GA6608@sonic.net> On Fri, May 20, 2005 at 07:24:44AM -0700, Rob Owens wrote: > Perhaps you could set up a repository somewhere that > teachers can use to share their OpenOffice > presentations with other teachers. Speaking of this, have people seen http://KDE-files.org/ ? -bill! -- -bill! bill at newbreedsoftware.com http://newbreedsoftware.com/ From nbs at sonic.net Fri May 20 17:21:13 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 10:21:13 -0700 Subject: [OT] Sacramento (Was Re: [ok-mail] [K12OSN] Help me fight FUD) In-Reply-To: <20050520153033.94100.qmail@web81803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050520153033.94100.qmail@web81803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050520172113.GB6608@sonic.net> On Fri, May 20, 2005 at 08:30:33AM -0700, Vlad Rachinsky wrote: > Vlad Rachinsky. > GJUHS District, Sacramento, CA Hey, someone from around my recent parts! :^) I don't recognize your name (though that's not saying much, knowing me). Do you happen to be familiar with the local LUGs? (LUGOD.org in Davis, SacLUG.org in Sac. and RoseLUG.org in Roseville) :) -bill! (now in Mountain View, so more of an SVLUG.org'er) From veewee77 at alltel.net Fri May 20 17:58:05 2005 From: veewee77 at alltel.net (Doug Simpson) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:58:05 -0500 Subject: [ok-mail] [K12OSN] Help me fight FUD In-Reply-To: <200505200814.55656.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> References: <200505200814.55656.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> Message-ID: <428E252D.2010809@alltel.net> And this will allow them to use the old ones they have, but the new ones can be created from the get-go with OOo and then there won't be any compatibility problems. . . Doug John Hansknecht wrote: >On Thursday 19 May 2005 14:52, Mark Cockrell wrote: > > >>SNIP >>Some of these teachers have dozens of PowerPoint >>presentations they've been using for years and the thought of having to >>edit and reformat them all to account for the lack of Feature X in >>OpenOffice is daunting. They'd rather hang on to the aging copy of MS >>Office 97 they know, than face the future of a modern office suite they >>don't know. Have any of you fought this battle? >> >> > >If you are not yet switching the PC's to Linux (or perhaps with Wine?) we > have installed the PowerPoint Viewer during the transition so that they can > still use their old PowerPoint .... it has kept them happy but it has also > slowed their conversion efforts. > >-- >Thanks, > > >John > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Fri May 20 22:00:02 2005 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 16:00:02 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Big Troubles Message-ID: Hi Everyone! Well, Murphy is coming a-calling... Friday pm and most gurus are off for a long week-end- Yikes. All of our clients are dropping off after only running a short while- minutes... The twin 3 gig mp server is crawling- K12ltsp 4.2. A reboot just allows all of the slow downs and trouble to begin minutes after reboot. ps -aux | grep ident returns hundreds of: ident 10068 0.9 0.0 7280 720 ? Rs 14:51 0:01 in.authd -t60 --xerror --os -E ident 10072 0.5 0.0 5556 720 ? Rs 14:52 0:00 in.authd -t60 --xerror --os -E ident 10078 0.7 0.0 7196 720 ? Rs 14:52 0:01 in.authd -t60 --xerror --os -E ident 10098 0.7 0.0 7240 720 ? Rs 14:53 0:00 in.authd -t60 --xerror --os -E ident 10128 1.2 0.0 6792 720 ? Rs 14:55 0:00 in.authd -t60 --xerror --os -E ident 10129 1.6 0.0 5912 720 ? Rs 14:55 0:00 in.authd -t60 --xerror --os -E ident 10131 2.1 0.0 6320 720 ? Rs 14:55 0:00 in.authd -t60 --xerror --os -E ident 10136 2.3 0.0 7144 720 ? Rs 14:55 0:00 in.authd -t60 --xerror --os -E ident 10139 5.2 0.0 5556 720 ? Rs 14:55 0:00 in.authd -t60 --xerror --os -E ident 10140 5.0 0.0 5976 720 ? Rs 14:55 0:00 in.authd -t60 --xerror --os -E ident 10141 6.2 0.0 7424 720 ? Rs 14:55 0:00 in.authd -t60 --xerror --os -E ident 10142 3.0 0.0 7108 720 ? Rs 14:55 0:00 in.authd -t60 --xerror --os -E My technician thought we had a bad switch or computer somewhere. We have unplugged every switch from our short fibre network. We can't keep the server up or clients reliably. Help! Thanks, Jim From jim at winonacotter.org Sat May 21 01:29:34 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 20:29:34 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Big Troubles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050521012322.M28459@winonacotter.org> > Hi Everyone! Well, Murphy is coming a-calling... Friday pm and > most gurus are off for a long week-end- Yikes. > > All of our clients are dropping off after only running a short while- > minutes... The twin 3 gig mp server is crawling- K12ltsp 4.2. A > reboot just allows all of the slow downs and trouble to begin > minutes after reboot. Well here are a couple of suggestions from the hip. First it would be a good idea to isolate if the problem is the server, network, or clients. Shut down all clients (powered off). I would start by unplugging the server from the network first, rebooting it and seeing if there are slowdowns. The after you are certain the server is stable try plugging in the internet interface. Make sure things are still stable. Then plug in the client side interface. If things go haywire on the internet plug in I would suspect the Internet NIC or bad switch/router feeding it, or very slim a DOS attack or similar. If the client side NIC brings things to a halt I would suspect a bad NIC or switch. If all of that goes well boot one client at a time and wait for a stability check. This should bring the problem client to the forfront. If the server was still going haywire with nothing plugged into it, punt! I hope that gives you some simple stuff to try until someone with some better advice can chime in. I hope it is rainy and cold where you are this weekend, cause it sounds like you won't be enjoying it anyway. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From bert.rolston at clear.net.nz Sat May 21 01:41:14 2005 From: bert.rolston at clear.net.nz (Bert Rolston) Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 13:41:14 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Help me fight FUD In-Reply-To: <20050520085248.B497073520@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050520085248.B497073520@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1116639673.16436.14.camel@rolston.localdomain> Hi Shawn, I'm using OO 1.1.4 to create presentations. My wife can open them in Office 97 (because she won't upgrade to Office 2000). I then take it down to the campus lab and run it under Office Pro 2000. The only problems I seem to encounter are slight format changes, usually related to differences in fonts. Most of my problems relate to my skill level, I don't generally use presentation software. The biggest problem I had was running videos/movie clips. That can be overcome by running a small bash script that calls MPlayer and the video clip. I found a couple of message relating to this using Google. Cheers, Bert Rolston > ------------------------------ > > Message: 15 > Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 15:16:17 -0400 > From: Shawn Powers > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Help me fight FUD > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > On May 19, 2005, at 2:52 PM, Mark Cockrell wrote: > > > They'd rather hang on to the aging copy of MS > > Office 97 they know, > > I would have them try OO on those powerpoints... That's an old > enough version of office that I think OO would do nicely displaying > them. > > So I guess "try to break it and see what happens" would be a valid > starting point. > > -Shawn > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: https://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/attachments/20050519/6c82101e/attachment.htm > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 16 > Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 14:18:42 -0500 > From: Petre Scheie > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] yum installs > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Message-ID: <428CE692.8080705 at maltzen.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > That works. Thanks. > > Eric Harrison wrote: > > > > With an older version of yum (such as the one in 3.0.1), I think you > > need to drop the "all": > > > > yum list > > > > -Eric > > > > Petre Scheie wrote: > > > >> I should have mentioned that this is on a RH8/K12ltsp 3.0.1 box. So, > >> the repositories listed are correct. > >> > >> Gavin Chester wrote: > >> > >>> On Thu, 2005-05-19 at 07:59 -0500, Petre Scheie wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hmmm. Thinking this sounded like a good idea, I tried 'yum list > >>>> all', but all I got was > >>>> > >>>> Gathering package information from servers > >>>> Getting headers from: Fedora Linux / stable for Red Hat Linux 8.0 > >>>> (i386) > >>>> Getting headers from: K12LTSP for Red Hat Linux 8.0 (i386) > >>>> Getting headers from: Macromedia Flash Player for Red Hat Linux 8.0 > >>>> Getting headers from: Red Hat Linux 8.0 (i386) > >>>> Getting headers from: Red Hat Linux 8.0 (i386) updates > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> A couple of things come to mind: > >>> > >>> 1/ you could try yumex as a GUI for yum to see all the packages listed > >>> in front of you in a nice, ummmm, GUI. > >>> > >>> ... but, that will only work if you have the correct repositories > >>> configured, so ... > >>> > >>> 2/ You seem to have the wrong repositories since yours all point to RH8 > >>> instead of FC3 that is the basis of k12ltsp 4.2.0. Support for RH8 > >>> would only be found in legacy repos - or did you say that already? > >> > >> > >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 17 > Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 14:20:07 -0500 > From: Bill Bardon > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Help me fight FUD > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Message-ID: <20050519142007.1994a5bf at localhost.localdomain> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > On Thursday, May 19 Shawn Powers wrote: > > I would have them try OO on those powerpoints... That's an old > > enough version of office that I think OO would do nicely displaying > > them. > > Also, the latest beta of OOo 2.0 is supposed to have enhanced MS > compatibility. It might be worth installing OOo 2.0 beta to see if it > makes a difference. > > > -- > Bill Bardon > COMPUTASSIST > Omaha, Nebraska > http://www.computassist.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 18 > Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 19:30:10 +0000 > From: dahopkins at comcast.net > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Help me fight FUD > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Message-ID: > <051920051930.6.428CE941000EDC710000000622007347489C0207059F01080E0B at comcast.net> > > > > Some of these teachers have dozens of PowerPoint > > presentations they've been using for years and the thought of having to > > edit and reformat them all to account for the lack of Feature X in > > OpenOffice is daunting. They'd rather hang on to the aging copy of MS > > Office 97 they know, than face the future of a modern office suite they > > don't know. > > You don't say if this is a K12LTSP environ, or OO.o on WinXX. So ... > What about leaving that aging copy of Office 97 on the system. Then, if Feature X is missing, they can use MS Office for that presentation, and someone else (you?) could edit the presentation to be OO.o compatible if necessary? Also SO8 (OO.o 2?) has much better filters so it becomes less of an issue. Of course, human nature being what it is, they probably would not switch to OO.o if MS 97 is still available. If using LTSP, just put MS 97 on the server (under Wine) and restrict access to get same effect. > > You can't ever guarantee that there will be 100% compatibility. This is a very good example of the vendor lock-in issue and could be used as a case to actually move to OO.o even if issues will arise (look at the long term benefit vs short term pain). If the district can accept that there will be some issues, then just be sure to have a plan to address them as they arise. The teachers at NCS haven't had any real issues with SO7/OO.o. Also, some now have OO.o at home as well because it was just simpler than worrying about potential incompatibilities. > > > Have any of you fought this battle? > > I phased it in. > Year 1-2) All students using OO.o without issues. > Summer 2) School Director uses SO7 exclusively (removed MS Office from his system) for all needs. Notices a few issues, but nothing major. > Year 3) School Director announces at initial beginning-of-year teacher orientation that SO7 is the Office suite, and that it is his only suite, both at school and at home. Kind of short circuited teachers/staff saying they couldn't use it. ;) > Coming Year) Moving to SO8. > > Front Office staff systems) Left with a copy MS Office for 100% guaranteed compatibility with state DOE, but also have SO7 available. > > > Does anyone have any references that I can point these people to in order to > > alleviate their fears? > > I am sure you could contact the school director if desired, I would just need to provide him a heads-up. Hesitant to publicly broadcast the number, so let me know if you want the number. > > > I don't want to waste the backing of the administration > > on this, but I don't want to be lynched by a frightened mob either. Any > > (useful) comments are welcome. > > thanks for reading. > > Sincerely, > Dave Hopkins > Newark Charter School > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 19 > Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 13:33:16 -0600 > From: Casey Woods > Subject: [K12OSN] Multimedia > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Message-ID: <428CE9FC.6000102 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > The administration at my school is really keen on going big time with > LTSP technology. We have a great network (Gbit backbone with 100 Mbit > to every desktop) so we have lots of bandwidth. I also have a pretty > decent budget for buying a bunch of dual Opteron servers. > > Here's my problem: The students aren't just using the current Windows > 2000 PCs for Word and email (mostly P3s with 128MB ram). The school has > access to a bunch of web-based multimedia resources (streaming video and > audio). The concern is that we'll have to take that away if we move to > thin clients. > > Suggestions? Would a NoMachine client running locally do the trick? If > I have tons of bandwidth will this run okay if I'm running rdesktop > locally and run everything off my MS terminal server? Could I run > Firefox and the required media player(s) as local apps? Any ideas? > > Thanks, > Casey Woods > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 20 > Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 15:38:47 -0400 > From: Dimitri Yioulos > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Help me fight FUD > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Message-ID: <200505191538.47439.dyioulos at firstbhph.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > On Thursday May 19 2005 2:52 pm, Mark Cockrell wrote: > > Hello all, > > We're looking at tossing MS Office entirely at our district in favor > > of OpenOffice/StarOffice. The administration recognizes the cost > > benefit and the more technically savvy teachers are ok with the change. > > So far no on has questioned the ability of OO.o to meet our future > > needs. The Fear Uncertainty and Doubt exist in relation our current > > body of work. Some of these teachers have dozens of PowerPoint > > presentations they've been using for years and the thought of having to > > edit and reformat them all to account for the lack of Feature X in > > OpenOffice is daunting. They'd rather hang on to the aging copy of MS > > Office 97 they know, than face the future of a modern office suite they > > don't know. Have any of you fought this battle? Does anyone have any > > references that I can point these people to in order to alleviate their > > fears? I don't want to waste the backing of the administration on this, > > but I don't want to be lynched by a frightened mob either. Any (useful) > > comments are welcome. > > I may be wrong on this, as it was once an issue, but now... Might try running > Powerpoint via Wine. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 21 > Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 18:00:05 +0000 > From: Tim Kaldahl > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Help me fight FUD > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Message-ID: <200505191800.05706.tkaldahl at maplewoodacademy.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > On Thursday 19 May 2005 07:38 pm, Dimitri Yioulos wrote: > > > Hello all, > > > We're looking at tossing MS Office entirely at our district in favor > > > of OpenOffice/StarOffice. The administration recognizes the cost > > > benefit and the more technically savvy teachers are ok with the change. > > > So far no on has questioned the ability of OO.o to meet our future > > > needs. The Fear Uncertainty and Doubt exist in relation our current > > > body of work. > > Remind everyone about the change from Word Perfect to Word. That was supposed > to be the end of the world too. > > Tim Kaldahl > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 22 > Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 16:10:05 -0700 > From: "Sean Harbour" > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] What hardware for Squid/Dansguardian? > To: > Message-ID: > <646574B39C491E4D8573C54D35FFE52CA01F5E at wsc-mail-01.intra.nwresd.k12.or.us> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > A P3-700 will typically handle at least 400 students, correctly configured. It may choke if there is a lot of multimedia going through it. > > A dual Xeon 2.8Ghz will handle several thousand, given enough RAM and fast SCSI drives. > > Memory is the most important, followed closely by CPU then disk speed. > > An adequate system that is crippled by low memory and slow hard drives will not perform acceptably. > > An adequate system with enough ram and a slow hard drive will work okay. > > Given a choice, I would put more RAM in a proxy cache vs faster hard drives. > > 128 MB is not enough for over 50 users, 256 MB over 200 users, 512 MB over 400 users typically. YMMV, but this is a good rule of thumb. > > The top and sar commands are your friends. Make sure that the maximum memory in use is not maxed out within minutes. If the system load > is staying consistently over 3, you definitely need more CPU or to reconfigure your filter settings. I like to see the CPU load stay under .7 except during heavy load spikes, then I don't want it going over 1.5 if possible. > > There are some performance tweaks you can do to the system to optimize it. > > You can adjust the cache to hold more/larger objects in memory to reduce disk load, or less/smaller to reduce memory footprint. > > You can use a fast lookup optimized file system such as reiserfs for a small disk performance boost. > > You can change the filtering parameters. Just changing the phrasefiltermode setting in dansguardian.conf can half the cpu usage with very few downsides. > > In short, a 500 Mhz PC, with 256 MB RAM and a 10 GB IDE hard drive should perform adequately as an internet filter for a facility with around a 100 students total on a 512Kb Dsl circuit . A 1 Ghz PC with 512 MB RAM and a 40 GB IDE hard drive should handle around 400 students adequately on a 1.5 Mb T1 circuit . A dual 3 Ghz Xeon with 2 GB RAM and several 10000 rpm SCSI drives should be able to handle several thousand students with a 10 Mb circuit fairly well. > > For home use with dansguardian, I have seen acceptable performance with a dedicated Pentium 200 with 180 MB RAM on a cable modem, but some latency was noticeable. Latency was almost unnoticeable with an AMD 500 and 256 MB ram. > > Of course, these parameters can vary widely from situation to situation, but they should at least get you into the ballpark. > > Sean Harbour > sharbour at nwresd.k12.or.us > > > > > >Fortunately we have a local vendor who gave us an excellent ($1700) > >price on a dual 2.8Ghz Xeon small server/graphics workstation box that > >they had, which has worked out great for us. > > >My hypothesis is that the single processor setup simply couldn't keep up > >with the heat generated by doing so much work on the single unit, where > >the dual processor setup spreads the load/heat around enough that the > >fans can keep up. > > >Of course I don't have any "technical data" to back this hypothesis up > >(besides the fact that the new proxy hasn't had a problem since we put > >it in), so your mileage most likely will vary. > > > > On Thu, 2005-05-19 at 00:07, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > What hardware is more important for a caching/filtering proxy server > > that runs Squid/Dansguardian for a school of ~300 internet > > connections. > > > > I'm thinking from most important to least > > > > 1) hard disks > > 2) memory > > 3) cpu > > > > Anyone agree/disagree? What min. sys. req. would people recommend? > -- > Jonathan S. White > Computer Technician > Shaker Regional School District > jwhite at shaker.k12.nh.us > (603) 267-9223 > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: not available > Type: application/ms-tnef > Size: 4495 bytes > Desc: not available > Url : https://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/attachments/20050519/bb5a56ae/attachment.bin > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 23 > Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 19:51:04 -0500 > From: "Dr. Daniel Loomis" > Subject: [K12OSN] Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Message-ID: <1116550264.5468.15.camel at harpo.curmudgeon.not> > Content-Type: text/plain > > I just updated my server from k12ltsp4.2 to 4.2.1 using CDROMs and now I > get: > > kernel panic - not syncing: Attempting to kill init > > The error occurs when switching from the initrd to hd root. > > The grub file looks ok and the kernel is 2.6.11-1.14_FC3smb > > The root directory is on /dev/sda6 so I tried changing from > root=LABEL=/1 to root=/dev/sda6, but get the same error message. > > The server is a Tyan 2460 with dual Athlon MP 1600, 29160 Adaptec scsi > card and IBM 34gb scsi drive. Partitioning is as follows: > > boot = /dev/sda1 > home = /dev/sda2 > var = /dev/sda3 > usr = /dev/sda5 > / = /dev/sda6 > swap = /dev/sda7 > > I understand there were problems of the type reported above with kernel > 2.6.9, but have not run across anyone having that problem in the 2.6.11 > kernels. I suppose it could be a problem with smp and acpi, but that has > not been a problem in the past on this machine. > > Dan > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 24 > Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 20:02:37 -0500 > From: "Barry R Cisna" > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill > init! > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Message-ID: <009101c55cd7$9dbb29a0$01fea8c0 at brcHOST> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Daniel.. > > I had same prob with an clean install of 4.2.0. a few months back. > > It is your IPv6 "services"///settings,, > > I had to reformat several times,,on 4 differnet machines,, before i > figured out,,what it was,actually was causing it.. > > I'll put a list of things you need to disable in services[not > needed],( that are enabled by default).,tomorow,FRI,after i can see what the > services listings are., > > You'll need to make sure your network wires are unplugged from both > nics,, before you start to reformat!:(.. > Then you have to disable some network services:>.then plug in your > network wires,,AFTER disabling some services. > I would bet money that this happend to your servers >after< you > rebooted,,one or two times.( This is how it happend on ours). > > I know this doesnt sound logical but Im sure this is your prob( I > think)...:).. > Hope this gives some "hope" for figuring your prob. > > Barry > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dr. Daniel Loomis" > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 7:51 PM > Subject: [K12OSN] Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! > > > > I just updated my server from k12ltsp4.2 to 4.2.1 using CDROMs and now I > > get: > > > > kernel panic - not syncing: Attempting to kill init > > > > The error occurs when switching from the initrd to hd root. > > > > The grub file looks ok and the kernel is 2.6.11-1.14_FC3smb > > > > The root directory is on /dev/sda6 so I tried changing from > > root=LABEL=/1 to root=/dev/sda6, but get the same error message. > > > > The server is a Tyan 2460 with dual Athlon MP 1600, 29160 Adaptec scsi > > card and IBM 34gb scsi drive. Partitioning is as follows: > > > > boot = /dev/sda1 > > home = /dev/sda2 > > var = /dev/sda3 > > usr = /dev/sda5 > > / = /dev/sda6 > > swap = /dev/sda7 > > > > I understand there were problems of the type reported above with kernel > > 2.6.9, but have not run across anyone having that problem in the 2.6.11 > > kernels. I suppose it could be a problem with smp and acpi, but that has > > not been a problem in the past on this machine. > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 25 > Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 20:59:05 +0000 > From: Ken Grant > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] DHCP Questions - Putting a Windows client in FC3 > lab > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Message-ID: <428CFE19.6040604 at actaccess.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Is the Windows client pulling an IP address? > > If you run ipconfig /all you should get your IP address and gateway > information. > > You can set both Firefox and IE to automatically detect proxy > settitngs. This may be a good idea just in case your proxy server is > using a port other that 8080. In Firefox go to Tool > Options and click > on the "Connection Settings" button. In IE go to Tool > Options and > select Lan. > > HTH, > Ken > > richard ingalls wrote: > > >I have an existing FC3 classroom lab with one server a > >just a few clients. I need to add just one Windows > >client into this room & it needs to have internet > >access. What are the settings I need to adjust on > >either the client or the server to make this happen? > >The server goes through a squid/DG proxy server in my > >bldg. > > > >I tried adjusting the TCP/IP settings on the Windows > >client to obtain it's IP address automatically, but > >couldn't get online with Firefox or IE. > > > >Any help is appreciated! Thanks. > > > > > > > > > >Yahoo! Mail > >Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: > >http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 26 > Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 22:17:56 +0000 > From: Ken Grant > Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Installations in Tucson, AZ? > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Message-ID: <428D1094.1070501 at actaccess.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hi Rita: > > I'm in Wyoming, a fair bit away from you, but would gladly help you in > any way I can. > > Ken > ken at hncswy.org > > Rita Gibson wrote: > > > > > I have been contacted by someone interested in k12ltsp and am > > wondering if there is anyone on this list that is in Arizona, or more > > precisely Tucson, AZ, that might be able to assist this school if they > > are interested in implementing a Linux based network? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Rita Gibson > > RMSEL > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 27 > Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 01:05:49 -0400 > From: Tom Hoffman > Subject: [K12OSN] CoSN Primer > To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." > > Message-ID: <92de6c8805051922052960d957 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On the subject of advocacy, I don't know if anyone has mentioned a > recent report sponsored by CoSN (Consortium for School Networking > http://cosn.org) called "Primer on Open Technologies in K-12 > Education." It's short, about 5 pages, and covers open source > software, open standards and interop (i.e., SIF). It is quite well > written. The catch is that if you're not a member of CoSN it is $25 > to download it. On the other hand, if we're talking about making > suits feel impressed by something, giving them a report you had to pay > for may be perversely effective. On the third hand, there's nothing > in there you haven't heard before, so don't get your panties in a > bunch about their decision to charge for it. It's their loss. > > --Tom > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 28 > Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 14:13:11 +0530 > From: "info" > Subject: [K12OSN] No luck with ssh key storing for users > To: k12osn at redhat.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hello, Everyone > please let me know which public key i need to copy in which directory?? > I have generated the keys as per the documents and local apps are > working perfectly. > Only thing is i have to enter password everytime. > > Which public key i need to copy in which file? > please let me know the file names also. > > thanks Sudev for help > > > Regards > K.dinesh > *********************************************************************** > In a World Without Fences Who Needs GATES ? > *********************************************************************** > This message and any attached files will have been checked with virus > detection software before transmission. However, recipients must carry > out their own virus checks before opening any attachment. Company > accepts no liability for any loss or damage, which may be caused by > software viruses. > *********************************************************************** > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.13 - Release Date: 5/19/05 > > > > From info at proex-india.com Sat May 21 06:55:24 2005 From: info at proex-india.com (info) Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 12:25:24 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] Sucess : ssh key storing Message-ID: I have documented Few Steps , from all the responses i got How to generate ssh -key gen for new user 1) Creat user 2) update ypserver pass file by ( Don't forget to do this) /var/yp/make 3) login as user do the following steps ( Ref to Bimal Pandit's Mail) ssh-keygen -t rsa Generating public/private rsa key pair. Enter file in which to save the key (/home/bimal/.ssh/id_rsa): Created directory '/home/bimal/.ssh'. Enter passphrase (empty for no passphrase): Enter same passphrase again: Your identification has been saved in /home/bimal/.ssh/id_rsa. Your public key has been saved in /home/bimal/.ssh/id_rsa.pub. The key fingerprint is: b8:30:b8:b3:53:4c:29:60:0e:fe:5f:c0:58:3c:6e:df bimal at bimalserver 4) cat id_rsa.pub >> authorized_keys2 5) change permission to all files ( 400 ) readonly as per Marks Gumprecht 6) Run following command to check local apps works perfect ssh ws001 uptime thanks all of you Specially to Bimal& Mark for showing the perfect way to solution Regards K.dinesh *********************************************************************** In a World Without Fences Who Needs GATES ? *********************************************************************** This message and any attached files will have been checked with virus detection software before transmission. However, recipients must carry out their own virus checks before opening any attachment. Company accepts no liability for any loss or damage, which may be caused by software viruses. *********************************************************************** -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.13 - Release Date: 5/19/05 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.13 - Release Date: 5/19/05 From gumprechtm at msln.net Sat May 21 10:04:31 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 06:04:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Big Troubles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <428F07AF.5090208@msln.net> Jim, On top of what jim wrote, if the problem is at the server, go over the /var/log/messages and other logs to see if there are any out of the norm messages. I had a problem with a SCSI controller that dropped off line,RAID 0, and there was a one liner in the message log that I missed that would have saved me a 20 mile drive to the site. Also, depending on the hardware, If you have diags, run them. I tend towards dells, partly because of the diagnostic software that comes standard. A few starting points. Mark Jim Christiansen wrote: > Hi Everyone! Well, Murphy is coming a-calling... Friday pm and most > gurus are off for a long week-end- Yikes. > > All of our clients are dropping off after only running a short while- > minutes... The twin 3 gig mp server is crawling- K12ltsp 4.2. A > reboot just allows all of the slow downs and trouble to begin minutes > after reboot. > > ps -aux | grep ident > > returns hundreds of: > > ident 10068 0.9 0.0 7280 720 ? Rs 14:51 0:01 > in.authd -t60 --xerror --os -E > ident 10072 0.5 0.0 5556 720 ? Rs 14:52 0:00 > in.authd -t60 --xerror --os -E > ident 10078 0.7 0.0 7196 720 ? Rs 14:52 0:01 > in.authd -t60 --xerror --os -E > ident 10098 0.7 0.0 7240 720 ? Rs 14:53 0:00 > in.authd -t60 --xerror --os -E > ident 10128 1.2 0.0 6792 720 ? Rs 14:55 0:00 > in.authd -t60 --xerror --os -E > ident 10129 1.6 0.0 5912 720 ? Rs 14:55 0:00 > in.authd -t60 --xerror --os -E > ident 10131 2.1 0.0 6320 720 ? Rs 14:55 0:00 > in.authd -t60 --xerror --os -E > ident 10136 2.3 0.0 7144 720 ? Rs 14:55 0:00 > in.authd -t60 --xerror --os -E > ident 10139 5.2 0.0 5556 720 ? Rs 14:55 0:00 > in.authd -t60 --xerror --os -E > ident 10140 5.0 0.0 5976 720 ? Rs 14:55 0:00 > in.authd -t60 --xerror --os -E > ident 10141 6.2 0.0 7424 720 ? Rs 14:55 0:00 > in.authd -t60 --xerror --os -E > ident 10142 3.0 0.0 7108 720 ? Rs 14:55 0:00 > in.authd -t60 --xerror --os -E > > My technician thought we had a bad switch or computer somewhere. We > have unplugged every switch from our short fibre network. We can't > keep the server up or clients reliably. Help! > > Thanks, Jim > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Sat May 21 16:07:18 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 11:07:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Help me fight FUD In-Reply-To: <428DE566.8080806@honeygroveisd.net> References: <20050520085247.B8253734CB@hormel.redhat.com> <428DE566.8080806@honeygroveisd.net> Message-ID: <7D80D579-6770-4091-8941-4D0F2EC6614A@mindfirestudios.com> On May 20, 2005, at 8:25 AM, Mark Cockrell wrote: > We've had StarOffice 6.0/7.0 on the machines for a couple of > years. Most of them have at least attempted to open something with > it and immediately freaked out. Here's what Paul Murphy had to say on the subject. "Long, long, ago I put a six user SCO Unix system into an accounting office along with a nicely set-up RealWorld Accounting package and six dumb terminals - 1986 after all! The system they had been using ran under PC-DOS and wan't remotely comparable to RealWorld in functionality or anything else but I made the mistake of showing them that SCO/Unix provided DOS emulation. I had the idea that this would help them port their data across into RealWorld but that's not what happened. Since they lived from one crisis to the next they never made time to learn the new system and, a year later, were running six copies of their old system on the SCO machine. I learnt a new rule from them, a rule that has colored my actions ever since: People who are too busy to take an hour or two to learn how to use a new tool that will save them considerable time, will gladly devote hundreds of hours to avoiding that hour or two of learning. So now when I make software change recommendations, I make sure they either have the time and leisure to learn properly, or absolutely no alternative. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From drloomis at cox-internet.com Sat May 21 19:26:10 2005 From: drloomis at cox-internet.com (Dr. Daniel Loomis) Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 14:26:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] XSERVER differences between 4.1 to 4.2.1 Message-ID: <1116703570.5379.22.camel@harpo.curmudgeon.not> I am curious as to what has changed in the client configs for X11 between K12LTSP 4.1 and 4.2.1? After doing a fresh install of 4.2.1 on our server everything was working satisfactorily except the video for our ThinkNIC clients. In version 3.1 "auto" was less than satisfactory, necessitating use of the old Xvesa driver for those clients. I was pleasantly surprised when with K12LTSP-4.1 I was able to use: XSERVER = auto for all of our ThinkNIC clients equipped with Viewsonic E70 monitors without resorting to special modelines or any other kludges. Now, with version 4.2 the same clients have serious video flutters and smearing using the default XSERVER settings. I fixed the problem using amlc-linux-x86-bin to create specific modelines for the Viewsonic monitors, adding the following line to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf: Modeline "1024x768" 87.00 1024 1096 1200 1352 768 769 772 818 Since I have not had to do that in any previous versions of k12ltsp, my question again is: What has changed? Dan From jam at mcquil.com Sat May 21 22:42:24 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 18:42:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] XSERVER differences between 4.1 to 4.2.1 In-Reply-To: <1116703570.5379.22.camel@harpo.curmudgeon.not> References: <1116703570.5379.22.camel@harpo.curmudgeon.not> Message-ID: On Sat, 21 May 2005, Dr. Daniel Loomis wrote: > I am curious as to what has changed in the client configs for X11 > between K12LTSP 4.1 and 4.2.1? > > After doing a fresh install of 4.2.1 on our server everything was > working satisfactorily except the video for our ThinkNIC clients. In > version 3.1 "auto" was less than satisfactory, necessitating use of the > old Xvesa driver for those clients. > > I was pleasantly surprised when with K12LTSP-4.1 I was able to use: > > XSERVER = auto > > for all of our ThinkNIC clients equipped with Viewsonic E70 monitors > without resorting to special modelines or any other kludges. > > Now, with version 4.2 the same clients have serious video flutters and > smearing using the default XSERVER settings. > > I fixed the problem using amlc-linux-x86-bin to create specific > modelines for the Viewsonic monitors, adding the following line > to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf: > > Modeline "1024x768" 87.00 1024 1096 1200 1352 768 769 772 818 > > Since I have not had to do that in any previous versions of k12ltsp, my > question again is: What has changed? The Xservers have changed from X.org-6.7.0 to X.org-6.8.2 Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org From steve at sierra-computer.com Sun May 22 07:21:30 2005 From: steve at sierra-computer.com (steve at sierra-computer.com) Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 00:21:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Symbiont Workstation Manager Message-ID: <47174.71.111.17.200.1116746490.squirrel@71.111.17.200> I installed the Symbiont Workstation Manager to give it a try. I am experiencing some problems since the install. When I uninstalled the Symbiont software none of my terminals will boot. Has anyone successfully removed this software? Can I run ltspadmin to reconfigure the ltsp package? For now I have re-installed the Symbiont software, but I would like to get things back to what they were before installing it. Thanks Steve Sierra Computer Services From mpribik at zoznam.sk Sat May 21 10:22:47 2005 From: mpribik at zoznam.sk (M.Pribik) Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 11:22:47 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Symbiont Workstation Manager References: <47174.71.111.17.200.1116746490.squirrel@71.111.17.200> Message-ID: <000801c55def$095f13c0$0100a8c0@Marian> Check the lts.conf. This file is completely changed by Symbiont. Maybe you will be able to find in the same folder where the lts.conf is, the old copy. regards Marian. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 8:21 AM Subject: [K12OSN] Symbiont Workstation Manager > I installed the Symbiont Workstation Manager to give it a try. I am > experiencing some problems since the install. When I uninstalled the > Symbiont software none of my terminals will boot. > > Has anyone successfully removed this software? Can I run ltspadmin to > reconfigure the ltsp package? > > For now I have re-installed the Symbiont software, but I would like to get > things back to what they were before installing it. > > Thanks > > Steve > Sierra Computer Services > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From wescott at sc.rr.com Sun May 22 15:17:36 2005 From: wescott at sc.rr.com (Michael C Wescott) Date: 22 May 2005 11:17:36 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Big Troubles In-Reply-To: <20050521012322.M28459@winonacotter.org> References: <20050521012322.M28459@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <1116775055.25331.62.camel@eriadne> > Hi Everyone! Well, Murphy is coming a-calling... Friday pm and > most gurus are off for a long week-end- Yikes. > All of our clients are dropping off after only running a short while- > minutes... The twin 3 gig mp server is crawling- K12ltsp 4.2. A > reboot just allows all of the slow downs and trouble to begin > minutes after reboot. It looks like something is triggering multiple in.authd processes. You can probably sakely turn this service off (edit /etc/xinetd.d/auth). I believe this process is spawned because of incoming traffic on port 113. It might be instructive to run ethereal to see if someone is trying a DOS using this port. From steve at sierra-computer.com Sun May 22 19:59:32 2005 From: steve at sierra-computer.com (steve at sierra-computer.com) Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 12:59:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Symbiont Workstation Manager Message-ID: <35373.71.111.29.251.1116791972.squirrel@71.111.29.251> I checked the lts.conf file first. It seems Symboint changes other files as well. Can anyone list the files changed by Symbiont Workstation Manager? Steve From mpribik at zoznam.sk Sat May 21 22:24:12 2005 From: mpribik at zoznam.sk (M.Pribik) Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 23:24:12 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Symbiont Workstation Manager References: <35373.71.111.29.251.1116791972.squirrel@71.111.29.251> Message-ID: <000701c55e53$d11618f0$0100a8c0@Marian> I remember /opt/ltsp..../lts.conf /etc/dhcpd.conf /etc/host I think that problem will be somewhere in those three files. Check precisely content and diferences between old files and after Symbiont instalation. Marian ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 8:59 PM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Symbiont Workstation Manager > I checked the lts.conf file first. It seems Symboint changes other files > as well. Can anyone list the files changed by Symbiont Workstation > Manager? > > Steve > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From david at suwannee.k12.fl.us Sun May 22 22:19:17 2005 From: david at suwannee.k12.fl.us (David Dees) Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 18:19:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux and Active Directory Message-ID: I am close to rolling out a Linux Terminal Server lab. The one piece I would like to complete before I do is getting logons to validate via Active Directory....Is this possible? Can anyone point me to some info on the topic. many thanks David Dees Network Manager Suwannee County Schools 702 2nd Street NW Live Oak, FL 32064 (386) 364-2148 david at suwannee.k12.fl.us From cliebow at downeast.net Sun May 22 23:11:40 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 23:11:40 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Linux and Active Directory Message-ID: <200505230125.j4N1P0704995@downeast.net> i can send you configs from mine if you like..we validate to win 2000 via winbind..newer redhat has a button in authconfig to do more or less the same thing..any way..holler if you need help//chuck > I am close to rolling out a Linux Terminal Server lab. The one piece I > would like to complete before I do is > getting logons to validate via Active Directory....Is this possible? Can > anyone point me to some info on the topic. > > many thanks > > David Dees > Network Manager > Suwannee County Schools > 702 2nd Street NW > Live Oak, FL 32064 > (386) 364-2148 > david at suwannee.k12.fl.us > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From sbetts at msad71.net Sun May 22 23:39:17 2005 From: sbetts at msad71.net (Sharon Betts) Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 19:39:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux and Active Directory In-Reply-To: <200505230125.j4N1P0704995@downeast.net> References: <200505230125.j4N1P0704995@downeast.net> Message-ID: Chuck, When you do this, can your LTSP lab browse the windows network? Can they save to a windows file server and print to printers on your windows network? Sharon "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Sunday, May 22, 2005 at 7:11 PM +0000 wrote: >i can send you configs from mine if you like..we validate to win 2000 via >winbind..newer redhat has a button in authconfig to do more or less the >same thing..any way..holler if you need help//chuck > >> I am close to rolling out a Linux Terminal Server lab. The one piece I >> would like to complete before I do is >> getting logons to validate via Active Directory....Is this possible? >Can >> anyone point me to some info on the topic. >> >> many thanks >> >> David Dees >> Network Manager >> Suwannee County Schools >> 702 2nd Street NW >> Live Oak, FL 32064 >> (386) 364-2148 >> david at suwannee.k12.fl.us >> >> _______________________________________________ >> K12OSN mailing list >> K12OSN at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >> For more info see >> > > >--------------------------------------------- >This message was sent from Downeast.Net. >http://ellsworthme.com/ > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see Sharon MSAD#71 Director of Educational Technology sbetts at msad71.net http://www.msad71.net 207-985-1100 To teach is to learn twice. ---- Isocrates From cliebow at downeast.net Sun May 22 23:33:08 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 23:33:08 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Linux and Active Directory Message-ID: <200505230146.j4N1kT708151@downeast.net> Sharon: I use pam_mount to auto mount wimdows shares at login..We have a setup such that od years 2005 2007 2009 hook to one server and even yearss to another win server.. we use windoews for port 67 dhcp and linux for most ltsp on port 1001/2..so we have a one nic setup.. so all printers are in xups side by side with windows print server.. And best of all we soon will scrap the whole schlemozzle for ldap and have only enough windows stuff to do citrix..chuck > Chuck, > When you do this, can your LTSP lab browse the windows network? Can they > save to a windows file server and print to printers on your windows > network? > Sharon > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Sunday, May 22, 2005 at 7:11 PM +0000 wrote: > >i can send you configs from mine if you like..we validate to win 2000 via > >winbind..newer redhat has a button in authconfig to do more or less the > >same thing..any way..holler if you need help//chuck > > > >> I am close to rolling out a Linux Terminal Server lab. The one piece I > >> would like to complete before I do is > >> getting logons to validate via Active Directory....Is this possible? > >Can > >> anyone point me to some info on the topic. > >> > >> many thanks > >> > >> David Dees > >> Network Manager > >> Suwannee County Schools > >> 702 2nd Street NW > >> Live Oak, FL 32064 > >> (386) 364-2148 > >> david at suwannee.k12.fl.us > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> K12OSN mailing list > >> K12OSN at redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >> For more info see > >> > > > > > >--------------------------------------------- > >This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > >http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > Sharon > MSAD#71 Director of Educational Technology > sbetts at msad71.net http://www.msad71.net 207-985-1100 > To teach is to learn twice. ---- Isocrates > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From cliebow at downeast.net Sun May 22 23:39:59 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 23:39:59 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Linux and Active Directory Message-ID: <200505230153.j4N1rL708963@downeast.net> btw: are you going to the linux love-in at Bethel??I wonder if i should sh> ow up...flowers in my hair....chuck --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From jbuch7 at eq.edu.au Sun May 22 23:59:45 2005 From: jbuch7 at eq.edu.au (Joel Buchan) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 09:59:45 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux and Active Directory In-Reply-To: <200505230146.j4N1kT708151@downeast.net> References: <200505230146.j4N1kT708151@downeast.net> Message-ID: <42911CF1.1070307@eq.edu.au> Here is the guide that I followed and now have my clients Authenticating to a Win 2003 Server as well as saving to there own home folder on a Win 2003 server. http://math.univ-lille1.fr/~hafidi/terminal-services/ I think it should be added to K12LTSP documentation or wiki if the author would allow it. From genfil at gmail.com Mon May 23 03:33:32 2005 From: genfil at gmail.com (Genfil Villahermosa) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 11:33:32 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Flash drive in thin client. Message-ID: Does anyone know how to mount a flash drive on a thin? It work on the terminal server but not on the thin client. -- please visit http://www.dekititirsiasiradas.org From mguerra at cariari.ucr.ac.cr Mon May 23 01:50:30 2005 From: mguerra at cariari.ucr.ac.cr (Mario Guerra) Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 19:50:30 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux and Active Directory In-Reply-To: <200505230153.j4N1rL708963@downeast.net> References: <200505230153.j4N1rL708963@downeast.net> Message-ID: <1116813030.31780.107.camel@localhost.localdomain> El dom, 22-05-2005 a las 23:39 +0000, cliebow at downeast.net escribi?: > btw: are you going to the linux love-in at Bethel??I wonder if i should sh> > ow up...flowers in my hair....chuck > > Perhaps tulips?........:-) Seriously. Tis a pity that those events are so afar...... Mario Guerra From cliebow at downeast.net Mon May 23 10:31:41 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 10:31:41 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Linux and Active Directory Message-ID: <200505231245.j4NCj0620842@downeast.net> little early for Fall foliage..how about a sprig of lettuce..actualy the trees just barely budding here...8~) > El dom, 22-05-2005 a las 23:39 +0000, cliebow at downeast.net escribi?: > > btw: are you going to the linux love-in at Bethel??I wonder if i should sh> > > ow up...flowers in my hair....chuck > > > > > > Perhaps tulips?........:-) > > Seriously. Tis a pity that those events are so afar...... > > Mario Guerra > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From david at suwannee.k12.fl.us Mon May 23 11:03:28 2005 From: david at suwannee.k12.fl.us (David Dees) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 07:03:28 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux and Active Directory In-Reply-To: <200505230125.j4N1P0704995@downeast.net> References: <200505230125.j4N1P0704995@downeast.net> Message-ID: Thanks everyone Chuck is you don't mind I'd love to have a copy of your configs. David Dees Network Manager Suwannee County Schools 702 2nd Street NW Live Oak, FL 32064 (386) 364-2148 david at suwannee.k12.fl.us From hick518 at yahoo.com Mon May 23 11:14:15 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 04:14:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] qemu emulator Message-ID: <20050523111415.6224.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I just read about this and thought others on the list might be interested. http://fedoranews.org/blog/?p=691 If anybody tries it out, please post your successes/failures to the list. -Rob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From cliebow at downeast.net Mon May 23 12:00:28 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 12:00:28 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Linux and Active Directory Message-ID: <200505231413.j4NEDj602597@downeast.net> how bout i put em up on wiki.ltsp.org under linux/windows inyegration..chuck..> Thanks everyone > > Chuck is you don't mind I'd love to have a copy of your configs. > > > > David Dees > Network Manager > Suwannee County Schools > 702 2nd Street NW > Live Oak, FL 32064 > (386) 364-2148 > david at suwannee.k12.fl.us > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From sbetts at msad71.net Mon May 23 12:17:05 2005 From: sbetts at msad71.net (Sharon Betts) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 08:17:05 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux and Active Directory In-Reply-To: <200505230153.j4N1rL708963@downeast.net> References: <200505230153.j4N1rL708963@downeast.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Sunday, May 22, 2005 at 7:39 PM +0000 wrote: >btw: are you going to the linux love-in at Bethel??I wonder if i should >sh> >ow up...flowers in my hair....chuck > Hi Chuck and all, I am presenting at NECC and have a son getting married on July 3rd. So, the Bethel jaunt was just too much this year. Wish there was someway to get all the info remotely. Sharon From spowers at inlandlakes.org Mon May 23 12:48:16 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 08:48:16 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Flash drive in thin client. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4291D110.7090603@inlandlakes.org> Genfil Villahermosa wrote: > Does anyone know how to mount a flash drive on a thin? It work on the > terminal server but not on the thin client. > http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/StorageFloppyUsb (Hopefully that will answer your question... MtoolsFM is the program you use to connect to the drive...) -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From cliebow at downeast.net Mon May 23 12:34:20 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 12:34:20 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Linux and Active Directory Message-ID: <200505231447.j4NElb608168@downeast.net> you mean info from Bethel??you are welcome to anything i have here..sounds like you got a full plate..chuck > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Sunday, May 22, 2005 at 7:39 PM +0000 wrote: > >btw: are you going to the linux love-in at Bethel??I wonder if i should > >sh> > >ow up...flowers in my hair....chuck > > > Hi Chuck and all, > I am presenting at NECC and have a son getting married on July 3rd. So, > the Bethel jaunt was just too much this year. > Wish there was someway to get all the info remotely. > Sharon > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From jim at winonacotter.org Mon May 23 13:15:56 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 08:15:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: OSX Help In-Reply-To: <428E14DC.7080703@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <004501c55f99$8e27b890$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Okay, I added the contents of your PDF to the wiki under > Technical. Thanks for writing > that up. Thanks for putting that on the wiki. I'll take my copy off of http://www.1-cs.com/osxldap.html where I was hosting it in the interim. The instructions say 10.3 or later just because that is all I did my testing on. I tested them to 10.3 and 10.4 and I believe it will work on 10.2 as well I just didn't test it yet. Which wiki is that under? I checked ltsp.org and can't find a Technical section. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon May 23 13:24:10 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 09:24:10 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux and Active Directory In-Reply-To: <200505230153.j4N1rL708963@downeast.net> References: <200505230153.j4N1rL708963@downeast.net> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Sunday, May 22, 2005 at 7:39 PM +0000 wrote: >btw: are you going to the linux love-in at Bethel??I wonder if i should >sh> >ow up...flowers in my hair....chuck You should....and make sure they're daffodils David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon May 23 13:26:19 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 09:26:19 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux and Active Directory In-Reply-To: References: <200505230153.j4N1rL708963@downeast.net> <,> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, May 23, 2005 at 8:17 AM +0000 wrote: >Hi Chuck and all, > I am presenting at NECC and have a son getting married on July 3rd. So, >the Bethel jaunt was just too much this year. >Wish there was someway to get all the info remotely. >Sharon I will post all notes and so forth in PDF as soon as it's over, but it won't be anywhere near the same as being there. We have many more folks than last year....it's going to be great! Lots of CD's, lots of schwag....and lots of learning about Linux! :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From jim at winonacotter.org Mon May 23 13:30:10 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 08:30:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux and Active Directory In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <004701c55f9b$8b2dc790$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > >btw: are you going to the linux love-in at Bethel??I wonder > if i should > >sh> > >ow up...flowers in my hair....chuck > > You should....and make sure they're daffodils Your call....but I'd throw in a toga as well :-) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From petre at maltzen.net Mon May 23 13:29:47 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 08:29:47 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux and Active Directory In-Reply-To: <200505231413.j4NEDj602597@downeast.net> References: <200505231413.j4NEDj602597@downeast.net> Message-ID: <4291DACB.6090502@maltzen.net> As there seem to be regular requests of "Could someone post their config files for such and such", perhaps there should be a specific section on the wiki for sample config files. I'd put it near the top, perhaps under Software, just to make it easy to find. What do people think? Petre cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > how bout i put em up on wiki.ltsp.org under linux/windows > inyegration..chuck..> Thanks everyone > >>Chuck is you don't mind I'd love to have a copy of your configs. >> >> >> >>David Dees >>Network Manager >>Suwannee County Schools >>702 2nd Street NW >>Live Oak, FL 32064 >>(386) 364-2148 >>david at suwannee.k12.fl.us >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> > > > --------------------------------------------- > This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From cliebow at downeast.net Mon May 23 13:18:10 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 13:18:10 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Linux and Active Directory Message-ID: <200505231531.j4NFVR616310@downeast.net> Yes Yes Tux in a toga!! Carrying a grecian urn with ashes through the Gates.. > > >btw: are you going to the linux love-in at Bethel??I wonder > > if i should > > >sh> > > >ow up...flowers in my hair....chuck > > > > You should....and make sure they're daffodils > > Your call....but I'd throw in a toga as well :-) > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon May 23 13:38:11 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 09:38:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] qemu emulator In-Reply-To: <20050523111415.6224.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050523111415.6224.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, May 23, 2005 at 7:14 AM +0000 wrote: >I just read about this and thought others on the list >might be interested. > >http://fedoranews.org/blog/?p=691 > >If anybody tries it out, please post your >successes/failures to the list. > >-Rob This looks very cool...I'm curious as to whether or not it can run multi-user in an LTSP environment and if so...how hard is it on the CPU (s) of the server. Is this a possible way to run more Windows-only apps on a LINUX SERVER (observing licensing issues of course....for any M$ lurkers) ;-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Mon May 23 13:38:11 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 09:38:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] qemu emulator In-Reply-To: <20050523111415.6224.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050523111415.6224.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Monday, May 23, 2005 at 7:14 AM +0000 wrote: >I just read about this and thought others on the list >might be interested. > >http://fedoranews.org/blog/?p=691 > >If anybody tries it out, please post your >successes/failures to the list. > >-Rob This looks very cool...I'm curious as to whether or not it can run multi-user in an LTSP environment and if so...how hard is it on the CPU (s) of the server. Is this a possible way to run more Windows-only apps on a LINUX SERVER (observing licensing issues of course....for any M$ lurkers) ;-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From petre at maltzen.net Mon May 23 13:37:10 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 08:37:10 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: OSX Help In-Reply-To: <004501c55f99$8e27b890$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <004501c55f99$8e27b890$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <4291DC86.2070206@maltzen.net> http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/ Jim, is your copy different than Mark's notes (which came from your docs, if I'm following the thread correctly)? Even if it's just a bit different, I'd encourage you to post in on the wiki, as just another example. There's no such thing as too much documentation, particularly with regard to examples. I own about a dozen books on perl, and they overlap quite a lot. But each one has at least one nugget of info that the all the others don't, and that one nugget makes having the book worthwhile. Your copy, if it's even just a bit different, might be just the thing for someone trying to solve a problem, whereas the one that's there might not work for that first someone, but will be perfect for someone else. Petre Jim Kronebusch wrote: >>Okay, I added the contents of your PDF to the wiki under >>Technical. Thanks for writing >>that up. > > > Thanks for putting that on the wiki. I'll take my copy off of > http://www.1-cs.com/osxldap.html where I was hosting it in the interim. > The instructions say 10.3 or later just because that is all I did my > testing on. I tested them to 10.3 and 10.4 and I believe it will work > on 10.2 as well I just didn't test it yet. > > Which wiki is that under? I checked ltsp.org and can't find a Technical > section. > > From hick518 at yahoo.com Mon May 23 13:47:58 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 06:47:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Linux and Active Directory In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050523134758.91377.qmail@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> good idea. I'd even put the stock config files up there, as people (myself included) tend to tinker too much and screw them up. -Rob --- Petre Scheie wrote: > As there seem to be regular requests of "Could > someone post their config files for such > and such", perhaps there should be a specific > section on the wiki for sample config > files. I'd put it near the top, perhaps under > Software, just to make it easy to find. > What do people think? > > Petre > > cliebow at downeast.net wrote: > > how bout i put em up on wiki.ltsp.org under > linux/windows > > inyegration..chuck..> Thanks everyone > > > >>Chuck is you don't mind I'd love to have a copy of > your configs. > >> > >> > >> > >>David Dees > >>Network Manager > >>Suwannee County Schools > >>702 2nd Street NW > >>Live Oak, FL 32064 > >>(386) 364-2148 > >>david at suwannee.k12.fl.us > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>K12OSN mailing list > >>K12OSN at redhat.com > >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >>For more info see > >> > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > This message was sent from Downeast.Net. > > http://ellsworthme.com/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From mark at msdigitaldzines.com Mon May 23 13:56:40 2005 From: mark at msdigitaldzines.com (Msdigital) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 06:56:40 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: OSX Help References: <004501c55f99$8e27b890$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> <4291DC86.2070206@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <001001c55f9f$40bdda70$6501a8c0@digital1> Just to clearify the OS X Ldap, I did not wirte it up. and it does work for 10.2.8 -mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Petre Scheie" To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 6:37 AM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Re: OSX Help > http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/ > > Jim, is your copy different than Mark's notes (which came from your docs, > if I'm following the thread correctly)? Even if it's just a bit > different, I'd encourage you to post in on the wiki, as just another > example. There's no such thing as too much documentation, particularly > with regard to examples. I own about a dozen books on perl, and they > overlap quite a lot. But each one has at least one nugget of info that > the all the others don't, and that one nugget makes having the book > worthwhile. Your copy, if it's even just a bit different, might be just > the thing for someone trying to solve a problem, whereas the one that's > there might not work for that first someone, but will be perfect for > someone else. > > Petre > > Jim Kronebusch wrote: >>>Okay, I added the contents of your PDF to the wiki under Technical. >>>Thanks for writing that up. >> >> >> Thanks for putting that on the wiki. I'll take my copy off of >> http://www.1-cs.com/osxldap.html where I was hosting it in the interim. >> The instructions say 10.3 or later just because that is all I did my >> testing on. I tested them to 10.3 and 10.4 and I believe it will work >> on 10.2 as well I just didn't test it yet. Which wiki is that under? I >> checked ltsp.org and can't find a Technical >> section. >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From mark at msdigitaldzines.com Mon May 23 13:59:39 2005 From: mark at msdigitaldzines.com (Msdigital) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 06:59:39 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: OSX Help References: <004501c55f99$8e27b890$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> <4291DC86.2070206@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <001701c55f9f$aac9ae30$6501a8c0@digital1> Sorry for double post, but the instructions are the same as Jim's. Jim wrote and tested the insturctions I have. I can confirm that these intrutctions work on 10.2. -mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Petre Scheie" To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 6:37 AM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Re: OSX Help > http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/ > > Jim, is your copy different than Mark's notes (which came from your docs, > if I'm following the thread correctly)? Even if it's just a bit > different, I'd encourage you to post in on the wiki, as just another > example. There's no such thing as too much documentation, particularly > with regard to examples. I own about a dozen books on perl, and they > overlap quite a lot. But each one has at least one nugget of info that > the all the others don't, and that one nugget makes having the book > worthwhile. Your copy, if it's even just a bit different, might be just > the thing for someone trying to solve a problem, whereas the one that's > there might not work for that first someone, but will be perfect for > someone else. > > Petre > > Jim Kronebusch wrote: >>>Okay, I added the contents of your PDF to the wiki under Technical. >>>Thanks for writing that up. >> >> >> Thanks for putting that on the wiki. I'll take my copy off of >> http://www.1-cs.com/osxldap.html where I was hosting it in the interim. >> The instructions say 10.3 or later just because that is all I did my >> testing on. I tested them to 10.3 and 10.4 and I believe it will work >> on 10.2 as well I just didn't test it yet. Which wiki is that under? I >> checked ltsp.org and can't find a Technical >> section. >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From jim at winonacotter.org Mon May 23 14:18:12 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 09:18:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: OSX Help In-Reply-To: <4291DC86.2070206@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <004801c55fa2$4084c1b0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/ > > Jim, is your copy different than Mark's notes (which came > from your docs, if I'm > following the thread correctly)? Thanks for the link. Like Mark posted those were instructions I wrote. I page through the wiki post and it all looks good except Section 3 where there was originally a table. Will the phpwiki engine not let you post a table? If not it may be better to include each row entry on a new line, possibly less confusing. Thanks again for putting this on the wiki. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From jim at winonacotter.org Mon May 23 14:29:45 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 09:29:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - OSX Roaming Profile dilemma Message-ID: <004a01c55fa3$ddcb18b0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Seeing these other posts on instructions reminded me of a problem I have been trying to solve for laptop users. So I figured I'd post here quick to see if anyone has some advice. The roaming profiles working in this fashion for users that remain on campus at all times is perfect. The NFS mounting makes for fast access and doesn't make you wait for docs and such to transfer on login/logout. But then there are laptop users. For some silly reason they want to take the machines home to work on things. When they get home the only account on the laptop in my setup is an Admin account to which I won't give them a password (even temporarily). So you can imagine the dismay our laptop users will have next fall when they are told they can take the laptops home but can't use them. So. I need a way to possibly setup a local account on the laptops that will sync with the roaming account from the LDAP server. The sync needs to occur on login/logout. Ultimately I would like them to log into the roaming profile at all times when on campus, and only the local profile when at home. Any suggestions? Jim Kronebusch Cotter Tech Department 507-453-5188 jim at winonacotter.org -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From petre at maltzen.net Mon May 23 14:46:52 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 09:46:52 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: OSX Help In-Reply-To: <004801c55fa2$4084c1b0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <004801c55fa2$4084c1b0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <4291ECDC.9000202@maltzen.net> Right, the table didn't survive the PDF-to-wiki copy-&-paste conversion. I just fixed it. Does it look okay now? Jim Kronebusch wrote: >>http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/ >> >>Jim, is your copy different than Mark's notes (which came >>from your docs, if I'm >>following the thread correctly)? > > > Thanks for the link. Like Mark posted those were instructions I wrote. > I page through the wiki post and it all looks good except Section 3 > where there was originally a table. Will the phpwiki engine not let you > post a table? If not it may be better to include each row entry on a > new line, possibly less confusing. > > Thanks again for putting this on the wiki. > > From ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Mon May 23 14:55:40 2005 From: ltsp at symbio-technologies.com (Gideon Romm) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 10:55:40 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Symbiont Workstation Manager In-Reply-To: <000801c55def$095f13c0$0100a8c0@Marian> References: <47174.71.111.17.200.1116746490.squirrel@71.111.17.200> <000801c55def$095f13c0$0100a8c0@Marian> Message-ID: <1116860140.8481.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Steve- The SWM makes many backups of originals in case you need to go back to what you had. When you install the SWM, make sure you take the time to set it up, by checking My Subnets, My Workstations, etc. If you had to do anything special to your terminals to get them to boot, such as specify an XSERVER entry or option-129, etc, go to My Profiles, create a new profile, and apply the profile to those terminals in My Workstations. Hope that helps, -Gideon On Sat, 2005-05-21 at 11:22 +0100, M.Pribik wrote: > Check the lts.conf. This file is completely changed by Symbiont. > Maybe you will be able to find in the same folder where the lts.conf is, the > old copy. > regards Marian. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 8:21 AM > Subject: [K12OSN] Symbiont Workstation Manager > > > > I installed the Symbiont Workstation Manager to give it a try. I am > > experiencing some problems since the install. When I uninstalled the > > Symbiont software none of my terminals will boot. > > > > Has anyone successfully removed this software? Can I run ltspadmin to > > reconfigure the ltsp package? > > > > For now I have re-installed the Symbiont software, but I would like to get > > things back to what they were before installing it. > > > > Thanks > > > > Steve > > Sierra Computer Services > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From jim at winonacotter.org Mon May 23 15:19:53 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 10:19:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: OSX Help In-Reply-To: <4291ECDC.9000202@maltzen.net> Message-ID: <004b01c55faa$dea791d0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > Right, the table didn't survive the PDF-to-wiki copy-&-paste > conversion. I just fixed > it. Does it look okay now? Thanks, that looks good. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us Mon May 23 14:21:58 2005 From: schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us (Jimmy Schwankl) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 10:21:58 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] script help please (OT) Message-ID: <5D8E91B2-DDDC-403B-B152-A26BD4EC881D@chatham.k12.nc.us> Hey folks, I know this won't be much of a challenge for you script gurus, but my skills are woefully inadequate. I have a user who has to aggregate some data that was given to him in a CSV file. The problem is that the data for each record is split across four lines, and the first item on each line is identical. What he would like is for the first line to have the next three lines appended to it with the first item stripped out so that when he imports the file into a spreadsheet all the data for each record is on one line. For example: 19550,"I","2004-2005","190","304",2004-09-24,"N","N" 19550,"O",1,"01","First","Last","S","10304012","M","W", 1992-07-05,12,"07","01","N","6","N","N","1" 19550,"A",1,"42","18","","","" 19550,"C",1,"003","","1",2004-09-24,"Principal Name","","","","","","","","" 19567,"I","2004-2005","190","304",2004-10-01,"N","N" 19567,"O",1,"01","First2","Last2","S","10304012","M","W", 1992-07-05,12,"07","01","N","6","N","N","1" 19567,"A",1,"36","18","","","" 19567,"C",1,"003","","1",2004-10-04,"Principal Name","","","","","","","","" 19581,"I","2004-2005","190","304",2004-10-04,"N","N" 19581,"O",1,"01","First3","Last3","S","970402","M","B", 1992-08-31,12,"06","01","N","6","N","N","1" 19581,"A",1,"32","18","","","" 19581,"C",1,"003","","1",2004-10-05,"Principal Name","","","","","","","","" so basically remove the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th instances of 19550 and add the result onto the end of the first line. remove the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th instances of 19567 (6th, 7th, and 8th lines) and add the result onto the end of the fifth line. etc. result: 19550,"I","2004-2005","190","304",2004-09-24,"N","N","O", 1,"01","First","Last","S","10304012","M","W", 1992-07-05,12,"07","01","N","6","N","N","1","A", 1,"42","18","","","","C",1,"003","","1",2004-09-24,"Principal Name","","","","","","","","" 19567,"I","2004-2005","190","304",2004-10-01,"N","N","O", 1,"01","First2","Last2","S","10304012","M","W", 1992-07-05,12,"07","01","N","6","N","N","1","A", 1,"36","18","","","","C",1,"003","","1",2004-10-04,"Principal Name","","","","","","","","" 19581,"I","2004-2005","190","304",2004-10-04,"N","N","O", 1,"01","First3","Last3","S","970402","M","B", 1992-08-31,12,"06","01","N","6","N","N","1","A", 1,"32","18","","","","C",1,"003","","1",2004-10-05,"Principal Name","","","","","","","","" If anyone can spare a few minutes or would enjoy showing off their scripting skills, I'd appreciate it. Thank you, Jimmy Schwankl +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Always proofread carefully to see if you any words out. **This message was sent from the Chatham County Schools Mail Server** *****All e-mail correspondence to and from this address is subject to the North Carolina Public Records Law, which may result in monitoring and disclosure to third parties, including law enforcement.***** From hoffmann at fidnet.com Mon May 23 15:50:46 2005 From: hoffmann at fidnet.com (hoffmann at fidnet.com) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 10:50:46 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Installation Decision Message-ID: <26d301c55faf$2f6e4b00$1002a8c0@KAREN> My thanks go out to all those who answered my questions about setting up K12LTSP at my rural Missouri K-8 school district. I sincerely believe that thin clients with Linux and OpenOffice software are THE answer for schools. Steve Hargadon asked me to post some comments regarding how I chose the Linux installation for our school. First, I hoped that I could learn to install K12LTSP on my own. However, reading the posts on the K12OSN list really worried me. People seem to be having so many problems. Our teachers and students don't have time for me to post question after question in an attempt to get something to work. They want reliable computers in the classroom - period. If it takes too long to get everything set up, or if something doesn't work correctly, the project will be considered a failure. There will be no tolerance for an unstable system. (Can't you hear the grapevine buzzing, "Oh, we tried that 'Linux stuff' at our school. It was a DISASTER.") This project is too important to allow my lack of experience to jeopardize its success. Therefore, the only choice I have is to hire a commercial company to configure everything for me. I feel our school board will be much more inclined to go along with this project if the installation is done in a professional manner. Missouri's Department of Education recently came out in support of Linux thin clients (http://www.emints.org/equipment/fy06/thinclient.shtml (see "eMINTS pilot information" halfway down the page). I spoke with Lumen Software of Kansas City, MO; SafeDesk Solutions of Spokane, WA; and Steve Hargadon of Technology Rescue in Yuba City, CA. Ultimately, I chose to continue working with SafeDesk Solutions -- solely because I know of two other schools in Missouri that are pleased with their service. Thanks again for your kind and patient support. I'd still like to learn to set up K12LTSP on my own; but for now, I have to take the easy way out. It's the most efficient way for me to provide the technology that my students deserve. Karen Hoffmann Franklin Co. R-2 School New Haven, MO From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Mon May 23 15:58:29 2005 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 09:58:29 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Big Troubles- getting desparate Message-ID: Thanks Michael, Mark and Jim, Will our server still work if in.authd is disabled? I do NIS and NFS off of it too. It has one gig nic and the onborad 10/100 is disabled. We ran the server off the network and with all clients rurned off. Things begin to go bad when clients boot. It doesn't matter what lab boots. CPU usage shown on top is normal with or without clients up. I work in a Canadian school and today is a day off- similar to your holiday next Monday, so I still have a day for ideas before we cancel classes. I was just saying to our librarians that our K12LTSP system had been working so well for months... >Hi Everyone! Well, Murphy is coming a-calling... Friday pm and most gurus >are off for a long week-end- Yikes. >All of our clients are dropping off after only running a short while- >minutes... The twin 3 gig mp server is crawling- K12ltsp 4.2. A reboot >just allows all of the slow downs and trouble to begin minutes after >reboot. >ps -aux | grep ident >returns hundreds of: >ident 10068 0.9 0.0 7280 720 ? Rs 14:51 0:01 in.authd -t60 --xerror --os -E >ident 10072 0.5 0.0 5556 720 ? Rs 14:52 0:00 in.authd -t60 --xerror --os -E It looks like something is triggering multiple in.authd processes. You can probably sakely turn this service off (edit /etc/xinetd.d/auth). I believe this process is spawned because of incoming traffic on port 113. It might be instructive to run ethereal to see if someone is trying a DOS using this port. From qhartman at lane.k12.or.us Mon May 23 16:05:08 2005 From: qhartman at lane.k12.or.us (Quentin Hartman) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 09:05:08 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] script help please (OT) In-Reply-To: <5D8E91B2-DDDC-403B-B152-A26BD4EC881D@chatham.k12.nc.us> References: <5D8E91B2-DDDC-403B-B152-A26BD4EC881D@chatham.k12.nc.us> Message-ID: <1116864308.16423.35.camel@techstation> On Mon, 2005-05-23 at 10:21 -0400, Jimmy Schwankl wrote: > What he would like is for the first line to have the next three lines > appended to it with the first item stripped out so that when he > imports the file into a spreadsheet all the data for each record is > on one line. I solved a very similar problem for an internal student information lookup system recently. Below is the relevant function from the program that takes input from Pentamation (our student management system) and uploads it into a local MySQL database. It is in Python. There might be a more efficient way to do it. Lines starting with # are comments and walk through the algorithm. It assumes the input data is sorted by SID, so that all the information pertaining to one student is clumped together. If you would like to see the whole script, I'd be happy to send it to you off-list, but I think this is probably enough to get you going: # reads contents of input def read_csv(): open_csv = csv.reader(file('locator_card.csv'), quotechar="\"") master_row = 0 for row in open_csv: #Throw away header information if row[0] == 'Student Id Number': continue #If this the first row if master_row == 0: master_list.append(row) master_row += 1 #If the SID of the current row matches the last SID entered, append the needed info to the row elif row[0] == master_list[master_row-1][0]: master_list[master_row-1].append(row[13:17]) #If this is a new SID else: master_list.append(row) master_row += 1 #Padding rows to same length so data lines up right for row in master_list: if len(row) < 60: pad = [' ',' ',' ',' '] target = 60 - len(row) count = 0 while count < target: row.append(pad) count += 1 Hope this helps. -- -Best Regards- -Quentin Hartman- Technology Coordinator South Lane School District 45j3 Cottage Grove, Oregon (541)767-3778 http://www.slane.k12.or.us From les at futuresource.com Mon May 23 16:08:27 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 11:08:27 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] script help please (OT) In-Reply-To: <5D8E91B2-DDDC-403B-B152-A26BD4EC881D@chatham.k12.nc.us> References: <5D8E91B2-DDDC-403B-B152-A26BD4EC881D@chatham.k12.nc.us> Message-ID: <1116864507.4643.39.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2005-05-23 at 09:21, Jimmy Schwankl wrote: > What he would like is for the first line to have the next three lines > appended to it with the first item stripped out so that when he > imports the file into a spreadsheet all the data for each record is > on one line. Assuming that the first item is always numeric, this will read stdin and write to stdout, so use outputfile for files. #!/bin/sh while read LINE1 do for num in 2 3 4 do read IN eval LINE$num=`echo $IN |sed -es/^[0-9]*,//` done echo $LINE1,$LINE2,$LINE3,$LINE4 done -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From wescott at sc.rr.com Mon May 23 16:10:03 2005 From: wescott at sc.rr.com (wescott at sc.rr.com) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 12:10:03 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Big Troubles- getting desparate Message-ID: > Will our server still work if in.authd is disabled? It should. Try it. It's easy enough to re-enable. But before you do, try running (as root) "netstat -anp" to see if there's any clue as to what is making all these connections to authd. -- Mike Wescott wescott at sc.rr.com From mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us Mon May 23 16:12:46 2005 From: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us (Mark Sarria) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 09:12:46 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Recommendation Message-ID: <200505231612.j4NGChmV025307@mx1.redhat.com> A small private elementary school has asked me to recommend a server for there Lab. They have 30 Windows 2000 workstations and 2 laser jet printers (color, Black and White) I recommended they use Fedora Core 3 (K12LTSP) and showed them the benefits of this powerful OS. Now they need a computer to run it- They get special pricing through Dell. Any recommendations on a Dell System? -mark From petre at maltzen.net Mon May 23 17:25:04 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 12:25:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] script help please (OT) In-Reply-To: <5D8E91B2-DDDC-403B-B152-A26BD4EC881D@chatham.k12.nc.us> References: <5D8E91B2-DDDC-403B-B152-A26BD4EC881D@chatham.k12.nc.us> Message-ID: <429211F0.8080307@maltzen.net> Here's another way to do it, with perl: #!/usr/bin/perl %hash = (); while (<>) { chomp $_; ($part1,$part2) = split /,/, $_, 2; if ( ! $hash{$part1} ) { $hash{$part1} = $part1.",".$part2; next; } else { $hash{$part1} = $hash{$part1}.",".$part2; } } foreach $record (sort keys %hash) { print "$hash{$record}\n"; } This script deals with the problem that some other suggestions missed I think, that when you append the values from line 2 you have to add another comma at the end of line 1, and then add another comma at the end of that before you add line 3, and another comma after that before you add line 4; but then don't add a comma at the end of line 4. If you put the above into a file, make it executable, and then call it followed by the name of the data file, it will print out the result. Assuming you get what you want, you can then run it again and redirect the output to a file. Petre Jimmy Schwankl wrote: > Hey folks, > > I know this won't be much of a challenge for you script gurus, but my > skills are woefully inadequate. > > I have a user who has to aggregate some data that was given to him in a > CSV file. The problem is that the data for each record is split across > four lines, and the first item on each line is identical. > > What he would like is for the first line to have the next three lines > appended to it with the first item stripped out so that when he imports > the file into a spreadsheet all the data for each record is on one line. > > For example: > > 19550,"I","2004-2005","190","304",2004-09-24,"N","N" > 19550,"O",1,"01","First","Last","S","10304012","M","W", > 1992-07-05,12,"07","01","N","6","N","N","1" > 19550,"A",1,"42","18","","","" > 19550,"C",1,"003","","1",2004-09-24,"Principal > Name","","","","","","","","" > 19567,"I","2004-2005","190","304",2004-10-01,"N","N" > 19567,"O",1,"01","First2","Last2","S","10304012","M","W", > 1992-07-05,12,"07","01","N","6","N","N","1" > 19567,"A",1,"36","18","","","" > 19567,"C",1,"003","","1",2004-10-04,"Principal > Name","","","","","","","","" > 19581,"I","2004-2005","190","304",2004-10-04,"N","N" > 19581,"O",1,"01","First3","Last3","S","970402","M","B", > 1992-08-31,12,"06","01","N","6","N","N","1" > 19581,"A",1,"32","18","","","" > 19581,"C",1,"003","","1",2004-10-05,"Principal > Name","","","","","","","","" > > so basically remove the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th instances of 19550 and add > the result onto the end of the first line. > remove the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th instances of 19567 (6th, 7th, and 8th > lines) and add the result onto the end of the fifth line. > etc. > > result: > > 19550,"I","2004-2005","190","304",2004-09-24,"N","N","O", > 1,"01","First","Last","S","10304012","M","W", > 1992-07-05,12,"07","01","N","6","N","N","1","A", > 1,"42","18","","","","C",1,"003","","1",2004-09-24,"Principal > Name","","","","","","","","" > 19567,"I","2004-2005","190","304",2004-10-01,"N","N","O", > 1,"01","First2","Last2","S","10304012","M","W", > 1992-07-05,12,"07","01","N","6","N","N","1","A", > 1,"36","18","","","","C",1,"003","","1",2004-10-04,"Principal > Name","","","","","","","","" > 19581,"I","2004-2005","190","304",2004-10-04,"N","N","O", > 1,"01","First3","Last3","S","970402","M","B", > 1992-08-31,12,"06","01","N","6","N","N","1","A", > 1,"32","18","","","","C",1,"003","","1",2004-10-05,"Principal > Name","","","","","","","","" > > If anyone can spare a few minutes or would enjoy showing off their > scripting skills, I'd appreciate it. > > Thank you, > Jimmy Schwankl > > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Always proofread carefully to see if you any words out. > > > **This message was sent from the Chatham County Schools Mail Server** > *****All e-mail correspondence to and from this address is subject to > the North Carolina Public Records Law, which may result in monitoring > and disclosure to third parties, including law enforcement.***** > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From vlad_rachinsky at yahoo.com Mon May 23 18:31:29 2005 From: vlad_rachinsky at yahoo.com (Vlad Rachinsky) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 11:31:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] roselug Message-ID: <20050523183129.60671.qmail@web81806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello ! Unfortunately I didn't see them. I will try today (they have meeting). Thanks for reminding. Vlad Rachinsky From schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us Mon May 23 18:36:10 2005 From: schwankl at chatham.k12.nc.us (Jimmy Schwankl) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 14:36:10 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: script help please (OT) solved Message-ID: <8C3054CD-87D8-49D0-AEA8-2F9F877FC71F@chatham.k12.nc.us> Dear Quentin, Les, and Petre, Thanks for your help. We now have the data in the order we need. FWIW, Quentin, your tip was beyond me (my fault, not yours :-) Les, I tried yours first and it worked. Thanks. Petre, I tried yours second and it worked too. I had to change the % in front of %hash to $hash on the second line to get it to go. I don't think the comma thing was an issue because when the leading number got stripped out it left it's comma behind and that allowed it to dovetail onto the preceding line nicely. And the last line didn't have a comma after it to begin with. So to summarize, Thank you all for your help, the user who had to deal with this data will be most pleased. Peace, Jimmy **This message was sent from the Chatham County Schools Mail Server** *****All e-mail correspondence to and from this address is subject to the North Carolina Public Records Law, which may result in monitoring and disclosure to third parties, including law enforcement.***** From ccraig at safedesksolutions.com Mon May 23 18:44:34 2005 From: ccraig at safedesksolutions.com (Curt Craig) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 11:44:34 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Need help Message-ID: <1116873874.22017.162.camel@ts.gekl.net> At the risk of committing a listserv faux pas, I wanted to make our K12 LTSP brethren aware of a monitored forum that might be valuable to you. No, you won't be spammed or called by a salesperson. We recently started this for our terminal services customers, and we're happy to help, within reason, those of you who find yourselves up against the wall. (we've done quite a bit of integration and app compatibility work) http://www.safedesksolutions.com/forum/ Cheers, Curt Craig -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From staceypacquette at gmail.com Mon May 23 18:49:31 2005 From: staceypacquette at gmail.com (stacey pacquette) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 11:49:31 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Linux and Active Directory In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <96bd2d700505231149245b4baf@mail.gmail.com> Here is a link to an article i found that decribes a single sign on for LTSP clinets to a w2k3 DC. This article does not address any network shares but does setup for logging into a LTSP client with a w2k3 doamin user account. http://www.redmondmag.com/columns/article.asp?EditorialsID=858 Hope it jelps On 5/22/05, David Dees wrote: > > I am close to rolling out a Linux Terminal Server lab. The one piece I > would like to complete before I do is > getting logons to validate via Active Directory....Is this possible? Can > anyone point me to some info on the topic. > > many thanks > > David Dees > Network Manager > Suwannee County Schools > 702 2nd Street NW > Live Oak, FL 32064 > (386) 364-2148 > david at suwannee.k12.fl.us > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From austinsr at uindy.edu Mon May 23 18:54:23 2005 From: austinsr at uindy.edu (Shawn Austin) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 13:54:23 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Flash drive in thin client. In-Reply-To: <4291D110.7090603@inlandlakes.org> References: <4291D110.7090603@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <429226DF.10200@uindy.edu> Actually, if you are running K12LTSP 4.2.1, you can have "native" access to the local drives without using MTools. This is what you need to do. Read http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LocalDrives Almost all the steps to get it working can be found on the page. Three modified files are attached that will be needed to get this working. To boil it down: 1. Add HOTPLUG = Y to your lts.conf file. 2. Double check that you have SAMBA Client on the server. rpm -qa |grep samba You should have samba-client. If not, install it. 3. The download at the bottom of the wiki link for updated files has a few errors in it. Use the ones attached to this email. hotplug needs to go in /opt/ltsp/i386/sbin and needs 755 for permissions. rc.localdev need to go in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc with 755 for permissions. 4. Copy the rc.usb that is also attached into /opt/ltsp/i386/etc with 755 for permissions. 5. Download http://ltsp.mirrors.tds.net/pub/ltsp/ltsp-4.1/LDA-setup.sh and http://ltsp.mirrors.tds.net/pub/ltsp/ltsp-4.1/LDA-shutdown.sh "If you use KDM: /usr/local/bin/LDA-setup.sh goes into line 3 of /etc/kde/kdm/Xstartup /usr/local/bin/LDA-shutdown.sh goes into line 3 of /etc/kde/kdm/Xreset if you use GDM: /usr/local/bin/LDA-setup.sh goes into line 3 of /etc/X11/gdm/PostLogin/Default /usr/local/bin/LDA-shutdown.sh goes into line 3 of /etc/X11/gdm/PostSession/Default " 6. Reboot the client 7. Look inside the users home dir. You should see a directory called Drives. There is your local device. 8. If that fails, add a SCREEN_02 = SHELL to the workstation you are on, then check in /tmp/drives and see if you can see the devices there. Ive got this working on 2 servers so far, with 5 different test usb flash drives. If you have problems with this, send it back out to the list and I will try to walk you through it. Shawn Austin Client Services University of Indianapolis Shawn Powers wrote: > Genfil Villahermosa wrote: > >> Does anyone know how to mount a flash drive on a thin? It work on the >> terminal server but not on the thin client. >> > http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/StorageFloppyUsb > > (Hopefully that will answer your question... MtoolsFM is the program > you use to connect to the drive...) > -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: rc.localdev URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: rc.usb URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: hotplug URL: From les at futuresource.com Mon May 23 19:04:04 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 14:04:04 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: script help please (OT) solved In-Reply-To: <8C3054CD-87D8-49D0-AEA8-2F9F877FC71F@chatham.k12.nc.us> References: <8C3054CD-87D8-49D0-AEA8-2F9F877FC71F@chatham.k12.nc.us> Message-ID: <1116875044.4643.60.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Mon, 2005-05-23 at 13:36, Jimmy Schwankl wrote: > I don't think the comma thing was an issue because when the leading > number got stripped out it left it's comma behind and that allowed it > to dovetail onto the preceding line nicely. And the last line didn't > have a comma after it to begin with. In my script the commas are added by being literally included in the 'echo' line between the $LINE variables. You might see a quirk with the shell script collapsing multiple spaces and tabs into one that you wouldn't have in perl, but on the other hand that is often what you want for this kind of data. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From vlad_rachinsky at yahoo.com Mon May 23 19:57:36 2005 From: vlad_rachinsky at yahoo.com (Vlad Rachinsky) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 12:57:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Linux and Active Directory In-Reply-To: <96bd2d700505231149245b4baf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20050523195736.98097.qmail@web81805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > single sign on for LTSP > clinets to a w2k3 DC. This article does not address > any network shares but > does setup for logging into a LTSP client with a > w2k3 doamin user account. Hello ! Yes it works with Fedora C2 and C3. More then that, you can use both account mode: local and AD (LDAP). Vlad Rachinsky GJHD, Sacramento. From carl at snarlnet.com Mon May 23 20:36:11 2005 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 13:36:11 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] yum update samba not working Message-ID: <42923EBB.9090503@snarlnet.com> Hey Folks, yum update samba isn't working. No error message, just doesn't update. The latest stable release is 3.0.14, but my k12ltsp 4.1 server is still running 10.0.10 after running yum update and yum update samba, etc. Any ideas? Thanks, ck From vlad_rachinsky at yahoo.com Mon May 23 20:57:56 2005 From: vlad_rachinsky at yahoo.com (Vlad Rachinsky) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 13:57:56 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] yum update samba not working In-Reply-To: <42923EBB.9090503@snarlnet.com> References: <42923EBB.9090503@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: <429243D4.7020206@yahoo.com> Hello ! Check file /etc/samba/smb.conf. Maybe you'v killed on update. If yes, you can borrow from other server. { /* To view error messages connect in the text mode by using loop (127.0.0.1) and look at the log-files: */ /var/log/samba/127.0.0.1.log #and . ../yourLogin.log } Have fun, Vlad Rachinsky, GHSD, SAcramento, CA From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon May 23 21:16:37 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 14:16:37 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] yum update samba not working In-Reply-To: <42923EBB.9090503@snarlnet.com> References: <42923EBB.9090503@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: <42924835.5090807@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Carl Keil wrote: > Hey Folks, > > yum update samba isn't working. No error message, just doesn't update. > The latest stable release is 3.0.14, but my k12ltsp 4.1 server is still > running 10.0.10 after running yum update and yum update samba, etc. Any > ideas? > Thanks, > > ck > Samba 3.0.10 is the latest available from Fedora. This includes patches back-ported from later versions of Samba. The Samba group itself makes the latest-n-greatest version available as Fedora packages if you really need the latest version for some specific reason. http://www.samba.org -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From carl at snarlnet.com Mon May 23 21:21:34 2005 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 14:21:34 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] belay my last - yum update not working at all Message-ID: <4292495E.4080604@snarlnet.com> Hi Folks, Both my k12ltsp servers, 4.1 and 4.2 are not managing to finish a yum update. One is giving a GPG key error for a specific package and the other can't satisfy dependencies. Rather than post the error messages, I'm wondering if someone can detail (or point to) a good procedure for troubleshooting yum issues like these. My 4.1 server has 590+ megabytes of updates it needs to download! I guess it was choking in the background and I never noticed. Thanks a lot, ck From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Mon May 23 22:02:01 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 15:02:01 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] belay my last - yum update not working at all In-Reply-To: <4292495E.4080604@snarlnet.com> References: <4292495E.4080604@snarlnet.com> Message-ID: <429252D9.1000901@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Carl Keil wrote: > Hi Folks, > > Both my k12ltsp servers, 4.1 and 4.2 are not managing to finish a yum > update. One is giving a GPG key error for a specific package and the > other can't satisfy dependencies. Rather than post the error messages, > I'm wondering if someone can detail (or point to) a good procedure for > troubleshooting yum issues like these. My 4.1 server has 590+ megabytes > of updates it needs to download! I guess it was choking in the > background and I never noticed. > > Thanks a lot, > > ck > Running this command should make sure you have all of the necessary keys loaded: rpm --import /usr/share/rhn/*KEY* /usr/share/doc/k12ltsp/*KEY* If you have added custom repositories, you'll need to check that website's instructions on importing the third-party key. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From ernie_hudson at snowline.k12.ca.us Mon May 23 22:49:51 2005 From: ernie_hudson at snowline.k12.ca.us (Ernie Hudson) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 15:49:51 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Flash drive in thin client. In-Reply-To: <429226DF.10200@uindy.edu> References: <4291D110.7090603@inlandlakes.org> <429226DF.10200@uindy.edu> Message-ID: <1116888591.4845.2.camel@server.ltsp> After applying everything in you have specified I do get a drives folder but with absolutely no access from client. On Mon, 2005-05-23 at 13:54 -0500, Shawn Austin wrote: > Actually, if you are running K12LTSP 4.2.1, you can have "native" access > to the local drives without using MTools. > This is what you need to do. > Read http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LocalDrives > Almost all the steps to get it working can be found on the page. Three > modified files are attached that will be needed to get this working. > > To boil it down: > 1. Add HOTPLUG = Y to your lts.conf file. > 2. Double check that you have SAMBA Client on the server. rpm -qa |grep > samba You should have samba-client. If not, install it. > 3. The download at the bottom of the wiki link for updated files has a > few errors in it. Use the ones attached to this email. hotplug needs > to go in /opt/ltsp/i386/sbin and needs 755 for permissions. > rc.localdev need to go in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc with 755 for permissions. > 4. Copy the rc.usb that is also attached into /opt/ltsp/i386/etc with > 755 for permissions. > 5. Download http://ltsp.mirrors.tds.net/pub/ltsp/ltsp-4.1/LDA-setup.sh > and http://ltsp.mirrors.tds.net/pub/ltsp/ltsp-4.1/LDA-shutdown.sh > "If you use KDM: > /usr/local/bin/LDA-setup.sh goes into line 3 of /etc/kde/kdm/Xstartup > /usr/local/bin/LDA-shutdown.sh goes into line 3 of /etc/kde/kdm/Xreset > if you use GDM: > /usr/local/bin/LDA-setup.sh goes into line 3 of > /etc/X11/gdm/PostLogin/Default /usr/local/bin/LDA-shutdown.sh goes into > line 3 of /etc/X11/gdm/PostSession/Default > " > 6. Reboot the client > 7. Look inside the users home dir. You should see a directory called > Drives. There is your local device. > 8. If that fails, add a SCREEN_02 = SHELL to the workstation you are on, > then check in /tmp/drives and see if you can see the devices there. > > Ive got this working on 2 servers so far, with 5 different test usb > flash drives. If you have problems with this, send it back out to the > list and I will try to walk you through it. > > Shawn Austin > > Client Services > University of Indianapolis > > Shawn Powers wrote: > > > Genfil Villahermosa wrote: > > > >> Does anyone know how to mount a flash drive on a thin? It work on the > >> terminal server but not on the thin client. > >> > > http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/StorageFloppyUsb > > > > (Hopefully that will answer your question... MtoolsFM is the program > > you use to connect to the drive...) > > > > plain text document attachment (rc.localdev) > #!/bin/sh > # > # local_cd > # > # This script will set up a local cdrom drive for supermount. > # > PATH=/bin:$PATH; export PATH > . /etc/ltsp_functions > > SAMBATMP="/tmp/samba" > SAMBACNF="/tmp/smb.conf" > > mkdir /tmp/drives > chown nobody /tmp/drives > > # > # Get the lts.conf entries > # > eval `/bin/getltscfg -a` > > for i in 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10; do > DEVVAR=LOCAL_DEVICE_${i} > > if [ ! -z ${!DEVVAR} ] ; then > # > # As soon as we find at least 1 local device, we need to > # setup the Samba config stuff > # > reg_info ${DEVVAR} > > DEVICE=`echo ${!DEVVAR} | sed 's/\(.*\):.*/\1/'` > SHARE=`echo ${!DEVVAR} | sed 's/.*:\(.*\)/\1/'` > BASE_DEVICE=`/usr/bin/basename ${DEVICE}` > START_SAMBA="Y" > > if [ -z ${SHARE} ] ; then > SHARE=${BASE_DEVICE} > fi > > echo ${DEVICE} ${SHARE} ${BASE_DEVICE} > > case "${BASE_DEVICE}" in > hd* ) modprobe ide-cd > modprobe iso9660 > RW="ro" > FS="iso9660" > ;; > fd* ) modprobe floppy > modprobe vfat > RW="rw" > FS="vfat" > ;; > sr* ) modprobe scsi_mod > modprobe sr_mod > RW="ro" > FS="iso9660" > ;; > sd* ) modprobe scsi_mod > modprobe sd_mod > RW="rw" > FS="auto" > ;; > * ) # assume modules are already loaded > RW="ro" > FS="auto" > ;; > esac > > mkdir /tmp/drives/${SHARE} > > if [ "${DEVICE}" != "hotplug" ] ; then > mount -t supermount \ > -o fs=${FS},dev=${DEVICE},--,${RW},uid=99,gid=99 none /tmp/drives/${SHARE} > fi > fi > done > > if [ "${HOTPLUG}" = "Y" ]; then > reg_info HOTPLUG > mkdir /tmp/drives/.hotplug > chown nobody /tmp/drives/.hotplug > START_SAMBA=Y > fi > > if [ "${START_SAMBA}" = "Y" ] ; then > mkdir ${SAMBATMP} > cat <<-EOF >${SAMBACNF} > [global] > workgroup = ${WORKGROUP:-"LTSP"} > security = SHARE > smb passwd file = /etc/passwd > guest account = nobody > log file = /tmp/samba/%m.log > max log size = 2 > socket options = TCP_NODELAY SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192 > load printers = No > dns proxy = No > unix extensions = No > lock directory = /tmp/samba > pid directory = /tmp/samba > private dir = /tmp/samba > > [drives] > path = /tmp/drives > read only = no > guest ok = Yes > locking = no > EOF > smbd -D -s /tmp/smb.conf > fi > plain text document attachment (rc.usb) > #!/bin/sh > > for module in usb-uhci usb-ohci ehci-hcd uhci-hcd ohci-hcd usb-storage scsi_mod sd_mod > do > modprobe $module &>/dev/null > done > > if [ "`lsmod | grep usbcore`" ] > then > echo "USB subsystem found, loading keyboard and mouse drivers" > for module in keybdev mousedev input usbmouse usbkbd > do > modprobe $module > /dev/null > done > # quick bug-fix hack > insmod usbmouse > else > echo "WARNING: USB subsystem not found, skipping" > fi > plain text document attachment (hotplug) > #!/bin/bash > > DRIVESDIR=/tmp/drives > HOTPLUGDIR=/tmp/drives/.hotplug > > # > # Read in our ltsp variables > # > > eval `getltscfg -a` > > # > # Module location > # > > KERNEL=`uname -r` > MODULE_DIR=/lib/modules/$KERNEL > > USB_MODMAP=$MODULE_DIR/modules.usbmap > LTSP_USB_MODMAP=/etc/usblist > > > mount_device_num() > { > DEVNUM=$1 > mkdir ${HOTPLUGDIR}/host${DEVNUM} > > SCSI_DIR=/dev/scsi/host${DEVNUM}/bus0/target0/lun0 > > PRODUCT_NAME=`grep Product /proc/scsi/usb-storage-${DEVNUM}/${DEVNUM} | \ > sed -e 's/.*: //' | tr ' ' '_'` > > MODEL=`grep -h -s "^${PRODUCT_NAME}" /etc/devname_map.local /etc/devname_map|\ > head -1 | sed 's/ / /g' | tr -s ' ' | cut -d' ' -f 2` > > [ -n "${MODEL}" ] && PRODUCT_NAME="${MODEL}" > > COUNT=1 > while [ -L ${DRIVESDIR}/${PRODUCT_NAME}_${COUNT} ]; do > COUNT=`expr $COUNT + 1` > done > > LINK_NAME=${PRODUCT_NAME}_${COUNT} > > if [ -b $SCSI_DIR/part1 ] ; then > echo "${DRIVESDIR}/${LINK_NAME}" >${HOTPLUGDIR}/host${DEVNUM}/LINK_NAME > mount -t supermount \ > -o fs=vfat:msdos:iso9660:ext2,dev=$SCSI_DIR/part1,--,rw,uid=99,gid=99 \ > none $HOTPLUGDIR/host${DEVNUM} > cd $HOTPLUGDIR/host${DEVNUM} > ln -s $HOTPLUGDIR/host${DEVNUM} "${DRIVESDIR}/${LINK_NAME}" > return > fi > if [ -b $SCSI_DIR/cd ] ; then > echo "${DRIVESDIR}/${LINK_NAME}" >${HOTPLUGDIR}/host${DEVNUM}/LINK_NAME > mount -t supermount \ > -o fs=vfat:msdos:iso9660:ext2,dev=$SCSI_DIR/cd,--,ro,uid=99,gid=99 \ > none $HOTPLUGDIR/host${DEVNUM} > cd $HOTPLUGDIR/host${DEVNUM} > ln -s $HOTPLUGDIR/host${DEVNUM} "${DRIVESDIR}/${LINK_NAME}" > return > fi > if [ -b $SCSI_DIR/disc ] ; then > echo "${DRIVESDIR}/${LINK_NAME}" >${HOTPLUGDIR}/host${DEVNUM}/LINK_NAME > mount -t supermount \ > -o fs=vfat:msdos:iso9660:ext2,dev=$SCSI_DIR/disc,--,rw,uid=99,gid=99 \ > none $HOTPLUGDIR/host${DEVNUM} > cd $HOTPLUGDIR/host${DEVNUM} > ln -s $HOTPLUGDIR/host${DEVNUM} "${DRIVESDIR}/${LINK_NAME}" > return > fi > } > > # > # If we've activated hotplugging, then this directory should be here, if not, > # exit quitely. Simple way to "disable" hotplugging. > # > > if [ ! -d $HOTPLUGDIR ] ; then > exit 0 > fi > > # > # ADD event > # > > if [ "$ACTION" = "add" ] ; then > > # > # USB add event > # > > if [ "$DEVFS" = "/proc/bus/usb" ] ; then > # > # Get vendor and product ID, and find them in the module map > # > > ID_VENDOR=`echo $PRODUCT | cut -d'/' -f 1` > ID_PRODUCT=`echo $PRODUCT | cut -d'/' -f 2` > MODULE=`grep -h $ID_VENDOR $USB_MODMAP $LTSP_USB_MODMAP | \ > grep $ID_PRODUCT | cut -d' ' -f 1 | head -1` > # > # The LTSP configuration variable "ALLOW_UNKNOWN_USB" dictates if > # we'll simply default to allowing anything that's plugged in to > # qualify as usb-storage. > # > > if [ -z "$MODULE" -a "${ALLOW_UNKNOWN_USB}" != "N" ] ; then > MODULE="usb-storage" > fi > > # > # If we got a module, load it, then figure out what to do > # > > if [ ! -z ${MODULE} ] ; then > lsmod | grep $MODULE > /dev/null > if [ $? -eq 1 ] ; then > modprobe $MODULE > fi > fi > > if [ $MODULE = "usb-storage" ] ; then > lsmod | grep "s[dr]_mod" > /dev/null > if [ $? -eq 1 ] ; then > modprobe sd_mod && modprobe sr_mod > fi > > # > # OK, we've got our hotplug device plumbed. Lets do some mounting > # > > # > # This needs to be generalized > # > > for i in 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19; do > USBDEV="/proc/scsi/usb-storage-${i}/${i}" > if [ -f ${USBDEV} ] ; then > grep "Attached: Yes" $USBDEV > /dev/null > if [ $? -eq 0 ] ; then > if [ ! -d ${HOTPLUGDIR}/host${i} ] ; then > mount_device_num ${i} > fi > fi > fi > done > fi # module = usbstorage > fi # devfs = procusb > # > # REMOVE action > # > > elif [ "$ACTION" = "remove" ] ; then > > if [ "$DEVFS" = "/proc/bus/usb" ] ; then > > # > # Scan and see if all devices are disconnected. If they are, then > # we can unload the "usb-storage" module > # > > for i in 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19; do > USBDEV="/proc/scsi/usb-storage-${i}/${i}" > if [ -f ${USBDEV} ] ; then > grep "Attached: No" $USBDEV > /dev/null > if [ $? -eq 0 ] ; then > if [ -d ${HOTPLUGDIR}/host${i} ] ; then > umount -l ${HOTPLUGDIR}/host${i} > if [ -f ${HOTPLUGDIR}/host${i}/LINK_NAME ]; then > rm -f `cat ${HOTPLUGDIR}/host${i}/LINK_NAME` > rm ${HOTPLUGDIR}/host${i}/LINK_NAME > fi > rmdir ${HOTPLUGDIR}/host${i} > fi > fi > fi > done > > fi > fi > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From mark at msdigitaldzines.com Tue May 24 00:45:59 2005 From: mark at msdigitaldzines.com (Msdigital) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 17:45:59 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Print Quota Message-ID: <002301c55ff9$f5895240$6601a8c0@digital1> I am interested to find out how many administrators on this list use print quota at there site? I have cups set up with 2 printers in my sandbox environment. I am able to restrict my test users to 50 pages per week, but there are a few things that I noticed Cups can not do or is not doing. 1. When a user reaches their max quota for the week, they are not alerted of this, there is no indication that the print limit has been reached. 2. I have five groups they are Administrators, Teachers,Staff, Students and IT. I am not able to successfully set different quote limits for each group. I would also like to set priorities for each group. The Administrator and Teacher would get priority on certain prints and staff would get priority on the office printer. if anyone on this list has a successful Cups print quota environment, can you please post your configurations, or guide me to free software that can accomplish this. TIA --mark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au Tue May 24 06:05:15 2005 From: debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au (Debbie Schiel) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 16:05:15 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] Server Recommendation In-Reply-To: <200505231612.j4NGChmV025307@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200505231612.j4NGChmV025307@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20050524160515.f565c01onu7koko4@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> My only recommendation is to avoid an "Onboard SCSI/RAID Controller" - this advice was given to me last year when I was looking for a machine for our school. Unfortunately this advice was not taken by the powers that be, and they bought one with the "Onboard SCSI/RAID Controller" (in quotes because I still don't understand what it is, I just know we have them and they're bad news!) So they bought the wonderful new server, unfortunately it was up to little me to get Fedora on it - BIG PROBLEMS - problems that I would not have had had they bought the server that was recommended and requested! Long story slightly shorter, we now have Fedora 1 on it and all is fine. I would love to update but the latest is not compatible with our super dooper machine. -- http://www.redeemer.qld.edu.au Quoting Mark Sarria : > A small private elementary school has asked me to recommend a server for > there Lab. They have 30 Windows 2000 workstations and 2 laser jet printers > (color, Black and White) I recommended they use Fedora Core 3 (K12LTSP) and > showed them the benefits of this powerful OS. Now they need a computer to > run it- They get special pricing through Dell. > > Any recommendations on a Dell System? > > -mark > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au Tue May 24 06:20:03 2005 From: debbie at redeemer.qld.edu.au (Debbie Schiel) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 16:20:03 +1000 Subject: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Installation Decision In-Reply-To: <26d301c55faf$2f6e4b00$1002a8c0@KAREN> References: <26d301c55faf$2f6e4b00$1002a8c0@KAREN> Message-ID: <20050524162003.5arf664h53c4kskk@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> Quoting hoffmann at fidnet.com: > Thanks again for your kind and patient support. I'd still like to learn to > set up K12LTSP on my own; but for now, I have to take the easy way out. It's > the most efficient way for me to provide the technology that my students > deserve. Hi Karen, Just a word of encouragment - I am what some may call a dizzy blonde; a year ago I knew NOTHING about linux. I began investigation around July/August, stumbled across K12ltsp, and installed it successfully on an old PIII computer as a demo. I did have a lot of help from the list AND some wonderful step-by-step made-for-dummies-like-me howtos. Now our school has a mini lab of 16 donated PCs + about 4PCs in each classroom all connected to our K12ltsp server. It's a massive learning curve but it's not impossible. I hope everything goes well for you and your school! Best regards, Debbie -- http://www.redeemer.qld.edu.au > > Karen Hoffmann > Franklin Co. R-2 School > New Haven, MO > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk Tue May 24 08:53:06 2005 From: sysadmin at handsworth.bham.sch.uk (Martin Woolley) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 08:53:06 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] Print Quota In-Reply-To: <002301c55ff9$f5895240$6601a8c0@digital1> References: <002301c55ff9$f5895240$6601a8c0@digital1> Message-ID: <200505240853.06591.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> On Tuesday 24 May 2005 00:45, Msdigital wrote: > I am interested to find out how many administrators on this list use print > quota at there site? I have cups set up with 2 printers in my sandbox > environment. I am able to restrict my test users to 50 pages per week, but > there are a few things that I noticed Cups can not do or is not doing. My experiences of printer quotas can be found at www.openhgs.org/moin.cgi/PrinterQuota > 1. When a user reaches their max quota for the week, they are not alerted > of this, there is no indication that the print limit has been reached. In a GUI application, that matches our experience. If you print from a command line, you get an error message which hints that your quota has been reached. > 2. I have five groups they are Administrators, Teachers,Staff, Students and > IT. I am not able to successfully set different quote limits for each > group. I would also like to set priorities for each group. The > Administrator and Teacher would get priority on certain prints and staff > would get priority on the office printer. AFAIK CUPS cannot set different quotas per group. What we do is setup an alias for each of our printers, and only allow access to this alias by the staff group. This lets staff print as much as they like, and students are limited to 7 pages per day. > if anyone on this list has a successful Cups print quota environment, can > you please post your configurations, or guide me to free software that can > accomplish this. Pykota lets you setup printer quotas on an individual user of group basis and also can notify users when there quota is about to run out. I tried to get this working, but I encountered problems with the PostgreSQL database configuration. It might be simpler with an LDAP or MySQL database. There is a link to the Pykota homepage on the above wiki page. -- Regards Martin Woolley ICT Support Handsworth Grammar School Isis Astarte Diana Hecate Demeter Kali Inanna ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster at bgfl.org The views expressed within this email are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of the organisation ************************************************************* From sudev at mantraonline.com Tue May 24 10:50:53 2005 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 16:20:53 +0530 Subject: {Getting OT] Re: [K12OSN] K12LTSP Installation Decision In-Reply-To: <20050524162003.5arf664h53c4kskk@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> References: <26d301c55faf$2f6e4b00$1002a8c0@KAREN> <20050524162003.5arf664h53c4kskk@webmail.redeemer.qld.edu.au> Message-ID: <1116931853.14089.2.camel@server.ltsp> On Tue, 2005-05-24 at 16:20 +1000, Debbie Schiel wrote: > Hi Karen, Just a word of encouragment - I am what some may call a dizzy > blonde; Dizzy or not, reading your posts, you did achieve a lot and the advise all the gurus gave made me (can I assume us??) learn a little more in my Linux journey. Keep up the words of encouragement. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Tue May 24 12:15:06 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 07:15:06 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - OSX Roaming Profile dilemma In-Reply-To: <004a01c55fa3$ddcb18b0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <004a01c55fa3$ddcb18b0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <5159513D-0E3B-4F75-B27D-F632E4A62434@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The use of AFS or CODA or some other advanced file system for mounting home?? On May 23, 2005, at 9:29 AM, Jim Kronebusch wrote: > Seeing these other posts on instructions reminded me of a problem I > have > been trying to solve for laptop users. So I figured I'd post here > quick > to see if anyone has some advice. > > The roaming profiles working in this fashion for users that remain on > campus at all times is perfect. The NFS mounting makes for fast > access > and doesn't make you wait for docs and such to transfer on login/ > logout. > But then there are laptop users. For some silly reason they want to > take the machines home to work on things. When they get home the only > account on the laptop in my setup is an Admin account to which I won't > give them a password (even temporarily). So you can imagine the > dismay > our laptop users will have next fall when they are told they can take > the laptops home but can't use them. > > So. I need a way to possibly setup a local account on the laptops > that > will sync with the roaming account from the LDAP server. The sync > needs > to occur on login/logout. Ultimately I would like them to log into > the > roaming profile at all times when on campus, and only the local > profile > when at home. > > Any suggestions? > > Jim Kronebusch > Cotter Tech Department > 507-453-5188 > jim at winonacotter.org > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkKTGsoACgkQfqZR3ThMfXS7vwCeLGxyWwU8tmKGwsAmpv9IsL51 ThcAn0qs0XxHr+zG9wlDRnZwg00M/HdT =tB5l -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Tue May 24 12:45:41 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 13:45:41 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Print Quota In-Reply-To: <200505240853.06591.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> References: <002301c55ff9$f5895240$6601a8c0@digital1> <200505240853.06591.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> Message-ID: <429321F5.8050609@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> I've just setup Pykota using my existing `Sandbox` Samba3 / LDAP server built using Fedora Core 3 as the backend and I looks like it should be quite good. We paid the $25 to get the latest tar's / rpms but the most important bit of that is the documentation, it's not brilliant but I managed to get it working !!! We use all HP printers so this might help as they seem to be really well supported, we'll the 2100's and 6P's we have are. I'm in the process of rebuilding all our Cups servers and I'm intending to have pykota install on all of them reporting back to a central Postgre server. The nice thing I have found with Pykota is that you can have both an unmanaged print queue as well as a pykota manager queue on the same machine to the same printer so I'm hoping to roll the servers out with auditing but if it all goes wrong I can switch to the standard CUPS install without the end users knowing all you have to alter is the port setup in the CUPS web interface. I've got really really rough notes one installing pykota on Fedora Core 3 if anyone is interested. It's just a list of the packages I had to install and files to fiddle with. Brian Chivers Portsmouth College --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From trond at mahlum.biz Tue May 24 12:51:00 2005 From: trond at mahlum.biz (Trond =?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E6hlum?=) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 14:51:00 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] after update WINE not working on 4.2.0 SOLVED --MORE Message-ID: <1116939061.8189.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> In april there was a thread here regading wine-trouble after upgrading to FC3. The problem was that when running wine, this happened: wine: failed to initialize: /usr/lib/wine/ntdll.dll.so: failed to map segment from shared object: Cannot allocate memory. I answered to this thread, because I'm a heavy wine-user and did not have this trouble at all in FC3. Then the solution was presented, to downgrade initscripts. But now I have installed Centos4 with K12LTSP built in, and now I'm getting this error as well. It also happens on a "real" RHEL4 install. I'm using the latest wine rpm for CentOS4. I tried the initscript downgrade, but nothing changed. What I can do is when I'm root, is to do ulimit -v unlimited before I call wine. Then it works for root - in that shell. I am not able to set this variable for a user, or to set it globally, because I don't know how. This is mentioned as a wine-bug, but no solution is presented other than pointing to the ulimit command. Can someone please help me out with this one? best regards Trond Maehlum From spowers at inlandlakes.org Tue May 24 13:07:08 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 09:07:08 -0400 Subject: OT: [K12OSN] after update WINE not working on 4.2.0 In-Reply-To: <1116939061.8189.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1116939061.8189.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On May 24, 2005, at 8:51 AM, Trond M?hlum wrote: > I'm a heavy wine-user Sorry Trond, couldn't leave that one alone. ;o) heheheehe ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue May 24 13:19:31 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 09:19:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Print Quota In-Reply-To: <429321F5.8050609@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <002301c55ff9$f5895240$6601a8c0@digital1> < > <200505240853.06591.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> <429321F5.8050609@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, May 24, 2005 at 8:45 AM +0000 wrote: >I've got really really rough notes one installing pykota on Fedora Core 3 >if anyone is interested. >It's just a list of the packages I had to install and files to fiddle >with. I'm interested! David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue May 24 13:25:54 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 09:25:54 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Print Quota In-Reply-To: <429321F5.8050609@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> References: <002301c55ff9$f5895240$6601a8c0@digital1> < > <200505240853.06591.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> <429321F5.8050609@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: According to something I read....PyKota also supports using LDAP in leiu of Postgres....can anyone attest to this? If I'm running a Samba/LDAP server with all of my users on it....it makes sense for me to simply use that for authentication for printing. Anyone? "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, May 24, 2005 at 8:45 AM +0000 wrote: >I've just setup Pykota using my existing `Sandbox` Samba3 / LDAP server >built using Fedora Core 3 as >the backend and I looks like it should be quite good. We paid the $25 to >get the latest tar's / rpms >but the most important bit of that is the documentation, it's not >brilliant but I managed to get it >working !!! > >We use all HP printers so this might help as they seem to be really well >supported, we'll the 2100's >and 6P's we have are. > >I'm in the process of rebuilding all our Cups servers and I'm intending >to have pykota install on >all of them reporting back to a central Postgre server. > >The nice thing I have found with Pykota is that you can have both an >unmanaged print queue as well >as a pykota manager queue on the same machine to the same printer so I'm >hoping to roll the servers >out with auditing but if it all goes wrong I can switch to the standard >CUPS install without the end >users knowing all you have to alter is the port setup in the CUPS web >interface. > >I've got really really rough notes one installing pykota on Fedora Core 3 >if anyone is interested. >It's just a list of the packages I had to install and files to fiddle >with. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From jim at winonacotter.org Tue May 24 13:42:12 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 08:42:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - OSX Roaming Profile dilemma In-Reply-To: <5159513D-0E3B-4F75-B27D-F632E4A62434@mindfirestudios.com> Message-ID: <001601c56066$63e1a4b0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > The use of AFS or CODA or some other advanced file system for > mounting home?? Do you mean to mount home remotely, say from home over the internet? Not a bad idea if so, but most likely not feasable. The teachers use the laptops when no internet or network are available. I am currently thinking a script on login/logoff that copies remote account y to local account x and then runs the chown and chmod -R with the correct permissions. I know that you can set certain tasks to execute on login, maybe I can setup a script that does this with all commands preceeded with sudo? -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Tue May 24 13:45:20 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 14:45:20 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Print Quota In-Reply-To: References: <002301c55ff9$f5895240$6601a8c0@digital1> < > <200505240853.06591.sysadmin@handsworth.bham.sch.uk> <429321F5.8050609@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Message-ID: <42932FF0.4080202@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> David Trask wrote: > According to something I read....PyKota also supports using LDAP in leiu > of Postgres....can anyone attest to this? If I'm running a Samba/LDAP > server with all of my users on it....it makes sense for me to simply use > that for authentication for printing. Anyone? > > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Tuesday, May 24, 2005 at 8:45 AM +0000 wrote: > >>I've just setup Pykota using my existing `Sandbox` Samba3 / LDAP server >>built using Fedora Core 3 as >>the backend and I looks like it should be quite good. We paid the $25 to >>get the latest tar's / rpms >>but the most important bit of that is the documentation, it's not >>brilliant but I managed to get it >>working !!! >> >>We use all HP printers so this might help as they seem to be really well >>supported, we'll the 2100's >>and 6P's we have are. >> >>I'm in the process of rebuilding all our Cups servers and I'm intending >>to have pykota install on >>all of them reporting back to a central Postgre server. >> >>The nice thing I have found with Pykota is that you can have both an >>unmanaged print queue as well >>as a pykota manager queue on the same machine to the same printer so I'm >>hoping to roll the servers >>out with auditing but if it all goes wrong I can switch to the standard >>CUPS install without the end >>users knowing all you have to alter is the port setup in the CUPS web >>interface. >> >>I've got really really rough notes one installing pykota on Fedora Core 3 >>if anyone is interested. >>It's just a list of the packages I had to install and files to fiddle >>with. > > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > Your correct you can use LDAP BUT this look's really complicated as it's used to store all the records of who's printed what etc and looks like it'll put a big strain on the LDAP server. What I'm planning to do is retrieve user info etc from the Samba 3 / LDAP server but store all the printing info in a seperate Postgre SQL backend This is lifted straight from pytota docs' With an LDAP backend, PyKota will need some branches in your LDAP directory to put its own datas. You can configure PyKota to either attach its datas to your existing users and groups, or to put them in their own ou. But some ous dedicated to PyKota are needed in any case, so the best bet may be to put all PyKota?s datas below an ou=PyKota branch. While this will separate these datas from your existing users and groups entries, this may ease the maintainance. PyKota needs at least an ou for printers, for users quotas, for groups quotas, for print jobs, and for pointers to the last job of each printer. In the future, this last ou may disappear as its content will probably be attached to each printer. Actually PyKota doesn?t create these ous for you, because it?s difficult to guess what is the best configuration for you. So you have to create them by yourself, either directly with a text editor and the ldapadd command, or with some specialized tool like gq. You can look at the initscripts/ldap/pykota-sample.ldif file to see which minimal branches are necessary. Note: If you use RPM or DEB packages, usually the pykota-sample.ldif file is installed into the /usr/share/pykota/ldap directory, along with a README file. Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From rgm at htt-consult.com Tue May 24 14:05:58 2005 From: rgm at htt-consult.com (Robert Moskowitz) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 10:05:58 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SAMBA/LDAP install problems Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050524100456.051ff100@localhost> I have been following all the instructions at: http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/smbldap/ I got to the part to run smbldap-populate (btw, I have 0.8.6 on my system as a result of something I did, as running rpm for the downloaded 0.8.4 told me that 0.8.6 was already installed). Of course everything was at /opt/idealx/sbin which I had to explicitly enter (not in path). I got a lot of errors. Lots of fail to add entries. I tried to copy the messages from termnal to gedit to put in this message, but it seems there are special characters in the messages, and paste into gedit files. What do I do next? From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Tue May 24 14:17:12 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 15:17:12 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] SAMBA/LDAP install problems In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050524100456.051ff100@localhost> References: <6.2.1.2.2.20050524100456.051ff100@localhost> Message-ID: <42933768.9090000@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> Robert Moskowitz wrote: > I have been following all the instructions at: > http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/smbldap/ > > I got to the part to run smbldap-populate (btw, I have 0.8.6 on my > system as a result of something I did, as running rpm for the downloaded > 0.8.4 told me that 0.8.6 was already installed). > > Of course everything was at /opt/idealx/sbin which I had to explicitly > enter (not in path). > > I got a lot of errors. Lots of fail to add entries. I tried to copy > the messages from termnal to gedit to put in this message, but it seems > there are special characters in the messages, and paste into gedit files. > > What do I do next? > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > What distro are you using ?? You could try running smbldap-populate > errors.log This will push all the errors to a file called errors.log which you can then post to the list If your doing this as root, try editting /root/.bash_rc to include the path to the idealx scripts so it reads PATH=$PATH:$HOME/bin:/opt/IDEALX/sbin Logout and in again and it'll include the idealx scripts (this is a bit of a hack and I'm sure someone will tell you / me the correct way but it works ;-) ) Brian --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From harish.pillay at gmail.com Tue May 24 15:32:16 2005 From: harish.pillay at gmail.com (Harish Pillay) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 23:32:16 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Suggestions for a LTSP Demo Message-ID: Hi. I have an opportunity to help educate a bunch of school teachers about Linux, Open Source and copyright/licensing issues. These teachers are the ones looking after IT related stuff in Singapore schools. The event is to be held on June 2nd. Instead of those topics (or perhaps in addition to), I am thinking of showcasing LTSP. I have their time from 9am till noon and they will be in a lab with machines and I am thinking of preparing a server (could be my laptop - a Dell D600) to be the server. I reckon about 20 teachers will be attending. I would like to hear from list members on best practises for demos. I have invited LUGS (www.lugs.org.sg) for volunteers and they are fothcoming offering hardware and time. In order to make a good and positive impression with these teachers (who probably have never seen a Linux desktop and probably do not even know of Linux), what are the top 5 things that we must show in the LTSP demo? Do remember that these schools are not short of funds and the Singapore Ministry of Education (www.moe.gov.sg) has the tax dollars to pay the Micro$oft tax - but I want to curtail/reduce that. I appreciate your thoughts and suggestions. Harish Pillay ps: I helped establish LUGS back in 1993 and am currently employed by Red Hat in Singapore, but this is an effort independent of Red Hat per se. From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue May 24 15:50:28 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 11:50:28 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SAMBA/LDAP install problems In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050524100456.051ff100@localhost> References: <6.2.1.2.2.20050524100456.051ff100@localhost> Message-ID: Are you running the smbldap-installer on either FC3 or K12LTSP 4.2? Or are you trying to do this on another distro? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue May 24 15:50:28 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 11:50:28 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SAMBA/LDAP install problems In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050524100456.051ff100@localhost> References: <6.2.1.2.2.20050524100456.051ff100@localhost> Message-ID: Are you running the smbldap-installer on either FC3 or K12LTSP 4.2? Or are you trying to do this on another distro? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From ccraig at safedesksolutions.com Tue May 24 15:46:00 2005 From: ccraig at safedesksolutions.com (Curt Craig) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 08:46:00 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Suggestions for a LTSP Demo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1116949560.9529.5.camel@ts.gekl.net> We do quite a few demonstrations; I always emphasize the following points when discussing SafeDesk's "flavor" of LTSP: 1) Ease of management (especially when $$ aren't as important) 2) Ease of integration with AD/NSD/LDAP 3) Security 4) Stability 5) Application compatibility Best of luck! Curt Craig SafeDesk Solutions On Tue, 2005-05-24 at 08:32, Harish Pillay wrote: > Hi. I have an opportunity to help educate a bunch of school > teachers about Linux, Open Source and copyright/licensing > issues. These teachers are the ones looking after IT related > stuff in Singapore schools. The event is to be held on June > 2nd. > > Instead of those topics (or perhaps in addition to), I am thinking > of showcasing LTSP. I have their time from 9am till noon and > they will be in a lab with machines and I am thinking of > preparing a server (could be my laptop - a Dell D600) to be > the server. I reckon about 20 teachers will be attending. > > I would like to hear from list members on best practises for > demos. > > I have invited LUGS (www.lugs.org.sg) for volunteers and they > are fothcoming offering hardware and time. > > In order to make a good and positive impression with these > teachers (who probably have never seen a Linux desktop and > probably do not even know of Linux), what are the top 5 things > that we must show in the LTSP demo? Do remember that > these schools are not short of funds and the Singapore Ministry > of Education (www.moe.gov.sg) has the tax dollars to pay the > Micro$oft tax - but I want to curtail/reduce that. > > I appreciate your thoughts and suggestions. > > Harish Pillay > ps: I helped establish LUGS back in 1993 and am currently > employed by Red Hat in Singapore, but this is an effort > independent of Red Hat per se. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- Curt Craig SafeDesk Solutions V: 509-455-6720 F: 509-536-0565 toll free 866-465-8636 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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At 10:17 AM 5/24/2005, Brian Chivers wrote: >Robert Moskowitz wrote: >>I have been following all the instructions at: >>http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/smbldap/ >>I got to the part to run smbldap-populate (btw, I have 0.8.6 on my system >>as a result of something I did, as running rpm for the downloaded 0.8.4 >>told me that 0.8.6 was already installed). >>Of course everything was at /opt/idealx/sbin which I had to explicitly >>enter (not in path). >>I got a lot of errors. Lots of fail to add entries. I tried to copy the >>messages from termnal to gedit to put in this message, but it seems there >>are special characters in the messages, and paste into gedit files. >>What do I do next? >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >What distro are you using ?? 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And....did you use the smbldap-installer script? David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From harish.pillay at gmail.com Tue May 24 16:46:13 2005 From: harish.pillay at gmail.com (Harish Pillay) Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 00:46:13 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Suggestions for a LTSP Demo In-Reply-To: <1116949560.9529.5.camel@ts.gekl.net> References: <1116949560.9529.5.camel@ts.gekl.net> Message-ID: Thanks, Curt. These schools are all outfitted with at least 2 (some with 4) labs with about 35-40 PCs each. There are about 400 publicly funded schools in Singapore and the standard is about 80-100 PCs each. They are all networked and have internet access etc etc. The situation we are faced with here is that we need to sell the teachers the value we are bringing to the school. They can be pursuaded with the security, management, stability and integration part. The issue will stem on the fact that these schools have between 100-500 CD titles that run on windows only (some may be Mac as well). How can we address that? Harish From haysja at sages.us Tue May 24 16:57:36 2005 From: haysja at sages.us (Jim Hays) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 11:57:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Suggestions for a LTSP Demo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42935D00.20205@sages.us> The issue is not whether they have money or not, it is how the money is spent. Emphasize that every dollar spent buying a client license or an office license is a dollar - what is the name of Singapore's currency? - that cannot be spent on textbooks, paper, teacher salaries, etc. What applications does the school use now? Show open source, Linux applications that are comparable. Firefox, Thunderbird, Open Office, GIMP. Consider a network with 100 clients. Show the cost of 100 client licenses for MS Server, MS Office, and Adobe Photoshop. Then show the cost of 100 client licenses for K12LTSP, Firefox, Thuderbird, Open Office, and GIMP. Don't discount the cost factor. Even if the schools are wealthy, they can spend their money on other thinks. Computers aren't everything - even though they are pretty close for many of us on this list:) Harish Pillay wrote: >Hi. I have an opportunity to help educate a bunch of school >teachers about Linux, Open Source and copyright/licensing >issues. These teachers are the ones looking after IT related >stuff in Singapore schools. The event is to be held on June >2nd. > >Instead of those topics (or perhaps in addition to), I am thinking >of showcasing LTSP. I have their time from 9am till noon and >they will be in a lab with machines and I am thinking of >preparing a server (could be my laptop - a Dell D600) to be >the server. I reckon about 20 teachers will be attending. > >I would like to hear from list members on best practises for >demos. > >I have invited LUGS (www.lugs.org.sg) for volunteers and they >are fothcoming offering hardware and time. > >In order to make a good and positive impression with these >teachers (who probably have never seen a Linux desktop and >probably do not even know of Linux), what are the top 5 things >that we must show in the LTSP demo? Do remember that >these schools are not short of funds and the Singapore Ministry >of Education (www.moe.gov.sg) has the tax dollars to pay the >Micro$oft tax - but I want to curtail/reduce that. > >I appreciate your thoughts and suggestions. > >Harish Pillay >ps: I helped establish LUGS back in 1993 and am currently >employed by Red Hat in Singapore, but this is an effort >independent of Red Hat per se. > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > > -- -------------------------------------------------------- Jim Hays, Technology Coordinator Monticello CUSD#25 #2 Sage Drive Monticello, IL 61856 (217) 762-8511 ext 1208 haysja at sages.us -------------------------------------------------------- From harish.pillay at gmail.com Tue May 24 17:27:05 2005 From: harish.pillay at gmail.com (Harish Pillay) Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 01:27:05 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Suggestions for a LTSP Demo In-Reply-To: <42935D00.20205@sages.us> References: <42935D00.20205@sages.us> Message-ID: Thanks, Jim for the note. > The issue is not whether they have money or not, it is how the money is > spent. Emphasize that every dollar spent buying a client license or an > office license is a dollar - what is the name of Singapore's currency? > - that cannot be spent on textbooks, paper, teacher salaries, etc. It is Singapore dollars (US$! = S$1.60). I think it would be good to have this list send a note to be shown at the session. Success stories, advise - teacher to teacher. These things are what Linux and open source are all about. Community sharing and helping. Harish > What applications does the school use now? Show open source, Linux > applications that are comparable. Firefox, Thunderbird, Open Office, > GIMP. Consider a network with 100 clients. Show the cost of 100 client > licenses for MS Server, MS Office, and Adobe Photoshop. Then show the > cost of 100 client licenses for K12LTSP, Firefox, Thuderbird, Open > Office, and GIMP. Don't discount the cost factor. Even if the schools > are wealthy, they can spend their money on other thinks. Computers > aren't everything - even though they are pretty close for many of us on > this list:) > > > Harish Pillay wrote: > > >Hi. I have an opportunity to help educate a bunch of school > >teachers about Linux, Open Source and copyright/licensing > >issues. These teachers are the ones looking after IT related > >stuff in Singapore schools. The event is to be held on June > >2nd. > > > >Instead of those topics (or perhaps in addition to), I am thinking > >of showcasing LTSP. I have their time from 9am till noon and > >they will be in a lab with machines and I am thinking of > >preparing a server (could be my laptop - a Dell D600) to be > >the server. I reckon about 20 teachers will be attending. > > > >I would like to hear from list members on best practises for > >demos. > > > >I have invited LUGS (www.lugs.org.sg) for volunteers and they > >are fothcoming offering hardware and time. > > > >In order to make a good and positive impression with these > >teachers (who probably have never seen a Linux desktop and > >probably do not even know of Linux), what are the top 5 things > >that we must show in the LTSP demo? Do remember that > >these schools are not short of funds and the Singapore Ministry > >of Education (www.moe.gov.sg) has the tax dollars to pay the > >Micro$oft tax - but I want to curtail/reduce that. > > > >I appreciate your thoughts and suggestions. > > > >Harish Pillay > >ps: I helped establish LUGS back in 1993 and am currently > >employed by Red Hat in Singapore, but this is an effort > >independent of Red Hat per se. > > > >_______________________________________________ > >K12OSN mailing list > >K12OSN at redhat.com > >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > >For more info see > > > > > > > > > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------- > Jim Hays, Technology Coordinator > Monticello CUSD#25 > #2 Sage Drive > Monticello, IL 61856 > (217) 762-8511 ext 1208 > haysja at sages.us > -------------------------------------------------------- > > From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Tue May 24 17:39:51 2005 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 11:39:51 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Big Troubles Fixed Message-ID: Hello Mike, Did you get the big virtual cake of your choice in this email? Your advice worked. Thank you very much. Things are normal again for us. A technician is now checking out the insecure windows boxes looking for what was hammering port 113 and triggering all of the in.authd processes on the K12LTSP server. Thanks again, Jim > Will our server still work if in.authd is disabled? It should. Try it. It's easy enough to re-enable. But before you do, try running (as root) "netstat -anp" to see if there's any clue as to what is making all these connections to authd. Mike Wescott It looks like something is triggering multiple in.authd processes. You can probably sakely turn this service off (edit /etc/xinetd.d/auth). I believe this process is spawned because of incoming traffic on port 113. It might be instructive to run ethereal to see if someone is trying a DOS using this port. From les at futuresource.com Tue May 24 18:04:11 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 13:04:11 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Big Troubles Fixed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1116957851.23690.52.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-05-24 at 12:39, Jim Christiansen wrote: > Did you get the big virtual cake of your choice in this email? Your advice > worked. Thank you very much. > > Things are normal again for us. A technician is now checking out the > insecure windows boxes looking for what was hammering port 113 and > triggering all of the in.authd processes on the K12LTSP server. Usually authd requests come in as a result of a separate outbound connection - that is the remote system is attempting to check who owns the other end of the socket making a connecton there. Could you have been relaying a bunch of email at the time or have had a lot of web connections going through a proxy that uses authd? -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Tue May 24 18:39:18 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 13:39:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT - OSX Roaming Profile dilemma In-Reply-To: <001601c56066$63e1a4b0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <001601c56066$63e1a4b0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <95FB850F-B4AA-4E41-909C-42A60B32D672@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I believe they do local caching, specifically for labtop scenarios. This at least takes care of the file system. The question would be how to do the authentication. On May 24, 2005, at 8:42 AM, Jim Kronebusch wrote: >> The use of AFS or CODA or some other advanced file system for >> mounting home?? >> > > Do you mean to mount home remotely, say from home over the internet? > Not a bad idea if so, but most likely not feasable. The teachers use > the laptops when no internet or network are available. > > I am currently thinking a script on login/logoff that copies remote > account y to local account x and then runs the chown and chmod -R with > the correct permissions. I know that you can set certain tasks to > execute on login, maybe I can setup a script that does this with all > commands preceeded with sudo? > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Cotter Technology > Department, and is believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkKTdNcACgkQfqZR3ThMfXRlCgCggCeyOdE/SlCbgUMD3VsSW5yQ sLoAnAjByy6bmyKpEgKodgONfFuk+ajW =4r8c -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From rgm at htt-consult.com Tue May 24 18:43:45 2005 From: rgm at htt-consult.com (Robert Moskowitz) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 14:43:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SAMBA/LDAP install problems In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.1.2.2.20050524100456.051ff100@localhost> < > <42933768.9090000@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <6.2.1.2.2.20050524115444.052a9b40@localhost> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050524143912.053965e8@localhost> At 12:43 PM 5/24/2005, David Trask wrote: >"Support list for opensource software in schools." on >Tuesday, May 24, 2005 at 11:56 AM +0000 wrote: > >I have attached an error.log generated by using > error.log while > >rerunning > >the command. Note that none of the error messages made it into the log > >(they still went to terminal). > >I'm the author of the smbldap docs you're using to set this up....I still >need you to answer a couple questions so we can attack this from the right >starting point. What distro are you using? And....did you use the >smbldap-installer script? As I said in my message, but it was toward the bottom, Centos 4.0 I started at the beginning of your script. I said I had fedora (I thought I had to say something). The script then asked me for disk 3, which of course I did not have. But as I looked through the messages, the rpms that were being asked from from that CD were already in the script's directory! So I copied them to the temp directory that the script was using, and let things go. I have not booted the system since I started the install, so if there is something I can find.... From ccraig at safedesksolutions.com Tue May 24 19:06:03 2005 From: ccraig at safedesksolutions.com (Curt Craig) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 12:06:03 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Suggestions for a LTSP Demo In-Reply-To: References: <1116949560.9529.5.camel@ts.gekl.net> Message-ID: <1116961563.11981.2.camel@ts.gekl.net> 500 CD titles? Have you heard the one about the cat-herder? ;) Seriously though, we try to point our customers to open-source alternatives as much as possible, but if there are some definite "gotta haves" that staff members won't budge on, there are a number of emulation approaches one might take, from Wine to CodeWeavers to VMware to Win4Lin... the latter 3 cost $$, but the overall cost savings more than make up for the difference. We find most of our K12 customers are happy enough keeping MS Office and a couple education apps for their labs. (such as Accelerated Reader/Math, for example) BUT...there is always the philosophical divide that some schools/staff-members are faced with...the days of bringing in the latest software they opened up in their breakfast cereal box will be gone...and some folks have problems with that. (as if the IT dept. doesn't have enough!) For OS alternatives, check out: http://richtech.ca/seul/ http://docs.kde.org/ Good Luck! Curt On Tue, 2005-05-24 at 09:46, Harish Pillay wrote: > Thanks, Curt. These schools are all outfitted with at least 2 (some with > 4) labs with about 35-40 PCs each. There are about 400 publicly funded > schools in Singapore and the standard is about 80-100 PCs each. They > are all networked and have internet access etc etc. > > The situation we are faced with here is that we need to sell the teachers > the value we are bringing to the school. They can be pursuaded with the > security, management, stability and integration part. The issue will stem > on the fact that these schools have between 100-500 CD titles that run on > windows only (some may be Mac as well). How can we address that? > > Harish -- Curt Craig SafeDesk Solutions V: 509-455-6720 F: 509-536-0565 toll free 866-465-8636 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tlegge at rogers.com Tue May 24 19:14:36 2005 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 15:14:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Bulk Image Resizing (from photo cds) Message-ID: <20050524191436.74627.qmail@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi This is off topic but I figure someone here will know. We have film photos on a cd. They are the standard uncompressed jpeg formats that places like Walmart produce. They can't be directly inserted into Open Office (at least our version) and they are huge. Does anyone know of a tool that I can run at the command line to reduce all the pictures in a directory in resolution and file size? Thanks for the help Tim From vceder at canterburyschool.org Tue May 24 19:25:45 2005 From: vceder at canterburyschool.org (Vern Ceder) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 14:25:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Bulk Image Resizing (from photo cds) In-Reply-To: <20050524191436.74627.qmail@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <20050524191436.74627.qmail@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42937FB9.6080606@canterburyschool.org> ImageMagick will do it... http://www.imagemagick.org/script/index.php Timothy Legge wrote: > Hi > > This is off topic but I figure someone here will know. > We have film photos on a cd. They are the standard > uncompressed jpeg formats that places like Walmart > produce. > > They can't be directly inserted into Open Office (at > least our version) and they are huge. > > Does anyone know of a tool that I can run at the > command line to reduce all the pictures in a directory > in resolution and file size? > > Thanks for the help > > Tim > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see -- This time for sure! -Bullwinkle J. Moose ----------------------------- Vern Ceder, Director of Technology Canterbury School, 3210 Smith Road, Ft Wayne, IN 46804 vceder at canterburyschool.org; 260-436-0746; FAX: 260-436-5137 From tlegge at rogers.com Tue May 24 19:36:24 2005 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 15:36:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Bulk Image Resizing (from photo cds) In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050524193624.33538.qmail@web88204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Vern Ceder wrote: > ImageMagick will do it... > > http://www.imagemagick.org/script/index.php Thanks, I found it. From nbs at sonic.net Tue May 24 19:40:38 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 12:40:38 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Suggestions for a LTSP Demo In-Reply-To: <1116961563.11981.2.camel@ts.gekl.net> References: <1116949560.9529.5.camel@ts.gekl.net> <1116961563.11981.2.camel@ts.gekl.net> Message-ID: <20050524194038.GA1603@sonic.net> On Tue, May 24, 2005 at 12:06:03PM -0700, Curt Craig wrote: > BUT...there is always the philosophical divide that some > schools/staff-members are faced with...the days of bringing in the > latest software they opened up in their breakfast cereal box will be > gone...and some folks have problems with that. (as if the IT dept. > doesn't have enough!) Hey! That's what we need! Penguin-O's, with Linux discs in every box! ;^) -bill! bill at newbreedsoftware.com http://newbreedsoftware.com/ From nbs at sonic.net Tue May 24 19:42:56 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 12:42:56 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Bulk Image Resizing (from photo cds) In-Reply-To: <42937FB9.6080606@canterburyschool.org> References: <20050524191436.74627.qmail@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <42937FB9.6080606@canterburyschool.org> Message-ID: <20050524194256.GB1603@sonic.net> On Tue, May 24, 2005 at 02:25:45PM -0500, Vern Ceder wrote: > ImageMagick will do it... > > http://www.imagemagick.org/script/index.php For the GUI-inclined, there's also a batch processing script for The Gimp: http://members.ozemail.com.au/~hodsond/dbp.html "DBP (David's Batch Processor) is a simple batch processor for the Gimp - it allows the user to automatically perform operations (such as resize) on a collection of image files. Its main advantage is that the user does not have to learn a scripting language. Like the Gimp itself, DBP relies on a graphical interface. The user creates a list of images, and sets up the processing required for each image." Enjoy! -- -bill! bill at newbreedsoftware.com http://newbreedsoftware.com/ From roger.in.eugene at gmail.com Tue May 24 20:02:21 2005 From: roger.in.eugene at gmail.com (Roger) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 13:02:21 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Bulk Image Resizing (from photo cds) In-Reply-To: <42937FB9.6080606@canterburyschool.org> References: <20050524191436.74627.qmail@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <42937FB9.6080606@canterburyschool.org> Message-ID: <69b790a805052413027fc95d62@mail.gmail.com> On 5/24/05, Vern Ceder wrote: > ImageMagick will do it... > > http://www.imagemagick.org/script/index.php with the 'convert' utility, I've done something similar to: for i in `ls *.jpg ;do convert -size 180x180 $i -resize 180x180 +profile "*" tn-$i;done I don't recall what all -size and -resize or +profile "*" do. But the command will take all the .jpg files, and create smaller images with a tn- prefix to their name. From carl at snarlnet.com Tue May 24 20:06:59 2005 From: carl at snarlnet.com (Carl Keil) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 13:06:59 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] yum update - satisfying dependencies Message-ID: <42938963.8040503@snarlnet.com> Hello, So, what's the procedure for working through dependency issues in yum? [root at private root]# yum update Gathering header information file(s) from server(s) Server: Fedora Core 2 - i386 - Base Server: Dag RPM Repository for Fedora Core Server: K12LTSP Server: Fedora Core 2 - i386 - Released Updates Finding updated packages Downloading needed headers Resolving dependencies ......Unable to satisfy dependencies Package bluefish needs shared-mime-info >= 0.15, this is not available. Package scribus-devel needs scribus = 0:1.2-0.fdr.1.2, this is not available. Package apt-python needs apt = 0:0.5.15cnc6-0.fdr.11.2.k12ltsp, this is not available. [root at private root]# I'm flummuxed. Should I just yum remove bluefish/scribus/apt-python? Do I need those for anything? Is there a way to exclude those packages from the update so I can proceed in some fashion? Thanks. ck From christiansen_j at hotmail.com Tue May 24 21:23:06 2005 From: christiansen_j at hotmail.com (Jim Christiansen) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 15:23:06 -0600 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Big Troubles Fixed Message-ID: Hi Les, That is what is weird here. This just croped up out of the blue. No mail, no proxy. My system is behind two or three IPCop boxes. Things are fine now that I have set /etc/xinetd.d/auth: disable = yes Jim >Did you get the big virtual cake of your choice in this email? Your advice >worked. Thank you very much. > >Things are normal again for us. A technician is now checking out the >insecure windows boxes looking for what was hammering port 113 and >triggering all of the in.authd processes on the K12LTSP server. Usually authd requests come in as a result of a separate outbound connection - that is the remote system is attempting to check who owns the other end of the socket making a connecton there. Could you have been relaying a bunch of email at the time or have had a lot of web connections going through a proxy that uses authd? From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Tue May 24 21:33:20 2005 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 09:33:20 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] email for each user Message-ID: <200505242138.j4OLcMjK030642@dbmail-mx2.orcon.net.nz> Can someone please guide me how to set up email addresses for each student and staff member? At present there is one email address for the school. Any messages addressed to email addresses with @harekrishna.school.nz at the end are delivered to my personal email account and I forward it when necessary to others. I would like to set it up so that every user has and address like user at harekrishna.school.nz I would also like to uses aliases. E.g. messages sent to accounts at harekrishna.school.nz would be delivered to bill at harekrishna.school.nz (our treasurer's email address.) Is this easy to do? I guess you just set up POP/smtp services and each user uses evolution or mozilla to access the mail. What I am afraid of is that if we host the mail server at the school and it gets disconnected somehow the mail sent to us during the disconnected time would be lost. Is that what would happen? Is there a way to protect against this? I would also like to know if it is easy to set up webmail access from home? Thanks in advance. Krsnendu dasa -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tim at litwiller.net Tue May 24 22:05:13 2005 From: tim at litwiller.net (Tim Litwiller) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 17:05:13 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] email for each user In-Reply-To: <200505242138.j4OLcMjK030642@dbmail-mx2.orcon.net.nz> References: <200505242138.j4OLcMjK030642@dbmail-mx2.orcon.net.nz> Message-ID: <4293A519.3060705@litwiller.net> I'd recomend getting SME server from www.contribs.org but that is optional. Here is what you'll need to do. Change your email forwarding for your domain to point to your mail server as the mx record. Then setup all the user accounts and aliases. If your connection is down email will bounce. But if you can setup a second email server and a backup mx server it can go there instead. I'd recommend that it be hosted on a seperate network if you go that route so they aren't both down. Krsnendu dasa wrote: > --> > > Can someone please guide me how to set up email addresses for each > student and staff member? > > At present there is one email address for the school. Any messages > addressed to email addresses with @harekrishna.school.nz at the end > are delivered to my personal email account and I forward it when > necessary to others. I would like to set it up so that every user has > and address like user at harekrishna.school.nz > I would also like to uses aliases. > E.g. messages sent to accounts at harekrishna.school.nz > would be delivered to > bill at harekrishna.school.nz (our > treasurer?s email address.) > > Is this easy to do? I guess you just set up POP/smtp services and each > user uses evolution or mozilla to access the mail. What I am afraid of > is that if we host the mail server at the school and it gets > disconnected somehow the mail sent to us during the disconnected time > would be lost. Is that what would happen? Is there a way to protect > against this? > > I would also like to know if it is easy to set up webmail access from > home? > > Thanks in advance. > > Krsnendu dasa > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > From les at futuresource.com Tue May 24 22:10:39 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 17:10:39 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] email for each user In-Reply-To: <4293A519.3060705@litwiller.net> References: <200505242138.j4OLcMjK030642@dbmail-mx2.orcon.net.nz> <4293A519.3060705@litwiller.net> Message-ID: <1116972639.23690.78.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Tue, 2005-05-24 at 17:05, Tim Litwiller wrote: > If your connection is down email will bounce. But if you can setup a > second email server and a backup mx server it can go there instead. I'd > recommend that it be hosted on a seperate network if you go that route > so they aren't both down. Mail doesn't bounce immediately if your server is down. The sending server will queue it and attempt to send periodically, so you have to be down a few days before anything would be lost. Having a backup MX server can avoid even that, but you have to be careful these days to make sure that the backup server knows all of your user names or it will accept and forward a lot of undeliverable spam which will cause trouble as you try to return it. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From dalen at czexan.net Tue May 24 22:17:02 2005 From: dalen at czexan.net (Dale Sykora) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 17:17:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] email for each user In-Reply-To: <4293A519.3060705@litwiller.net> References: <200505242138.j4OLcMjK030642@dbmail-mx2.orcon.net.nz> <4293A519.3060705@litwiller.net> Message-ID: <4293A7DE.6050604@czexan.net> Tim Litwiller wrote: > I'd recomend getting SME server from www.contribs.org but that is optional. > > Here is what you'll need to do. Change your email forwarding for your > domain to point to your mail server as the mx record. Then setup all the > user accounts and aliases. > > If your connection is down email will bounce. But if you can setup a > second email server and a backup mx server it can go there instead. I'd > recommend that it be hosted on a seperate network if you go that route > so they aren't both down. zoneedit.com (and probably many others) can handle your domain name and act as a backup mail server for a minimal cost($11/domain/year). I use this for my home SME server that is on a dynamic ip. If my broadband goes down, zoneedit receives mail for my domain and delivers it when broadband comes back up. From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Tue May 24 23:40:12 2005 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 11:40:12 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] Logins from Cygwin sloooow In-Reply-To: <427F9D33.5060002@richardljohnson.com> Message-ID: <200505242340.j4ONe19q019288@dbmail-mx4.orcon.co.nz> I have been using Cygwin to login from windows computers for a few months now. It is cool to see that children who use the windows computers in our classrooms prefer to connect to K12LTSP and run those application rather than the window ones. :-) Anyway, when I was just connecting using my laptop everything was fine. Get login screen, login to gnome wait about a second and voila there is my desktop. Since we added 3 more windows computers with K12LTSP access some problems have developed. 1. When I log on using any of the computers it usually goes fine and fast until after I enter my password then I have to wait at least 5 mins for it to log in. I just have a blue screen and a cursor then eventually everything loads. Once it is loaded it works fine. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wescott at sc.rr.com Wed May 25 00:58:49 2005 From: wescott at sc.rr.com (Michael C Wescott) Date: 24 May 2005 20:58:49 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Big Troubles Fixed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1116982728.7172.21.camel@eriadne> On Tue, 2005-05-24 at 17:23, Jim Christiansen wrote: > That is what is weird here. This just croped up out of the blue. No mail, > no proxy. My system is behind two or three IPCop boxes. > > Things are fine now that I have set /etc/xinetd.d/auth: disable = yes A quick google search turned up a similar complaint: http://enterprise.linux.com/article.pl?sid=05/02/01/153212&tid=111&tid=127&tid=94 as well as a report of a double free problem in FC3's version: http://www.linuxcompatible.org/story37240.html And later versions are insatalled disabled default. From sales at ecosolutions.com.au Wed May 25 01:35:47 2005 From: sales at ecosolutions.com.au (Gavin Chester) Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 09:35:47 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Suggestions for a LTSP Demo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1116984948.4439.64.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2005-05-24 at 23:32 +0800, Harish Pillay wrote: > I would like to hear from list members on best practises for > demos. > This has been asked several times in the last year alone so the archives are a good source of ready answers to mine. Obvious search terms are "demo" and "presentation". I recall some listers have generously offered their presentations to others and posted links to them - or put them in the wiki. Start digging and I have the feeling that you will get some good material. Also, I recall sage advice that you should not turn up and expect strange PCs to "just work" with your K12LTSP server because you may strike network card problems and who-knows-what. Instead, it was advised to take your server (could be laptop) and a couple of prepared clients so that you don't end up with egg on your face trying to make it work. Failing that, go in ahead of time and get the clients working before the "official" eye-popping, jaw-dropping demo of the power of LTSP. (Disclaimer: All comment and wisdom gleaned from people who have actually done this and reported it to this list ;-) ) -- Regards, Gavin Chester From tlegge at rogers.com Wed May 25 01:47:24 2005 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 22:47:24 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Bulk Image Resizing (from photo cds) In-Reply-To: <69b790a805052413027fc95d62@mail.gmail.com> References: <20050524191436.74627.qmail@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <42937FB9.6080606@canterburyschool.org> <69b790a805052413027fc95d62@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4293D92C.1060107@rogers.com> Roger wrote: > On 5/24/05, Vern Ceder wrote: > >>ImageMagick will do it... >> >>http://www.imagemagick.org/script/index.php > > > with the 'convert' utility, I've done something similar to: > for i in `ls *.jpg ;do convert -size 180x180 $i -resize 180x180 > +profile "*" tn-$i;done Thanks, I used: for i in *.jpg; do convert -resize 800x600 -quality 75 $i tn-$i; done The really bizarre part was that I thought that an error was occuring trying to insert the images to OpenOffice.org. However the problem was that the Insert Graphics dialog would not show the files. It turns out that OpenOffice.org will not display images that have a .JPG (note the uppercase) extension. I had to rename them to get OOo to show the file names. I assume its a bug. To try it your self run the following on a folder of .jpg files and try to insert the graphic in OOo: for i in nr*.jpg; do mv $i ${i%jpg}JPG; done To return to lower case: for i in nr*.JPG; do mv $i ${i%JPG}jpg; done Obviously I can't guarantee the commands above but they worked for me. Tim From tlegge at rogers.com Wed May 25 01:48:57 2005 From: tlegge at rogers.com (Timothy Legge) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 22:48:57 -0300 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Bulk Image Resizing (from photo cds) In-Reply-To: <20050524194256.GB1603@sonic.net> References: <20050524191436.74627.qmail@web88209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <42937FB9.6080606@canterburyschool.org> <20050524194256.GB1603@sonic.net> Message-ID: <4293D989.80001@rogers.com> Bill Kendrick wrote: > On Tue, May 24, 2005 at 02:25:45PM -0500, Vern Ceder wrote: > >>ImageMagick will do it... >> >>http://www.imagemagick.org/script/index.php > > > For the GUI-inclined, there's also a batch processing script for The Gimp: > > http://members.ozemail.com.au/~hodsond/dbp.html Thanks I tried compiling it but I was not able to. I will take another look sometime though. Thanks for the info. Tim From genfil at gmail.com Wed May 25 02:29:03 2005 From: genfil at gmail.com (Genfil Villahermosa) Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 10:29:03 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] MAKEDEV Message-ID: I run the command "MAKEDEV -d /opt/ltsp/i386/dev-files -x sda1" so I can mount flash drive. But I got the error "bash: MAKEDEV: command not found" I check the Synaptic Package Manager and It showed that MAKEDEV is installed. How do I run MAKEDEV? -- please visit http://www.dekititirsiasiradas.org From jim at rossberry.com Wed May 25 02:45:12 2005 From: jim at rossberry.com (Jim Wildman) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 22:45:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] MAKEDEV In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 25 May 2005, Genfil Villahermosa wrote: > I run the command "MAKEDEV -d /opt/ltsp/i386/dev-files -x sda1" so I > can mount flash drive. > But I got the error "bash: MAKEDEV: command not found" I check the > Synaptic Package Manager and It showed that MAKEDEV is installed. > How do I run MAKEDEV? > MAKEDEV is not in your command path. It is a shell script that lives in /dev and must be called explicitly /dev/MAKEDEV ... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jim Wildman, CISSP, RHCE jim at rossberry.com http://www.rossberry.com "Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one." Thomas Paine From sudev at mantraonline.com Wed May 25 03:42:45 2005 From: sudev at mantraonline.com (Sudev Barar) Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 09:12:45 +0530 Subject: [K12OSN] email for each user In-Reply-To: <200505242138.j4OLcMjK030642@dbmail-mx2.orcon.net.nz> References: <200505242138.j4OLcMjK030642@dbmail-mx2.orcon.net.nz> Message-ID: <1116992565.26281.17.camel@server.ltsp> On Wed, 2005-05-25 at 09:33 +1200, Krsnendu dasa wrote: > Can someone please guide me how to set up email addresses for each > student and staff member? > > At present there is one email address for the school. Any messages > addressed to email addresses with @harekrishna.school.nz at the end > are delivered to my personal email account and I forward it when > necessary to others. I would like to set it up so that every user has > and address like user at harekrishna.school.nz I would also like to uses > aliases. E.g. messages sent to accounts at harekrishna.school.nz would be > delivered to bill at harekrishna.school.nz (our treasurer?s email > address.) First am I correct in assuming that you are hosting your site on a web server with a catch all account? From that account you pull in mail into your mail box? If yes then what you have to do is to set up fetchmail with local user delivery. something like what is appended below. If no and you are receiving mails directly (your domain MX record points to your IP) the in any case get to next step. Second you will have to configure sendmail to recognise local domain. Third (assuming you are using FC3 / K12 4.2) you will have to configure dovecot and apache. Webmail / squirrelmail is already bundled and you have to point your browser to "localhost/webmail" for everything to work. All are pretty easy to do, I will try to post a step by step how to if you can not find it on web somewhere. HTH -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux From natarajsn at sancharnet.in Wed May 25 11:44:44 2005 From: natarajsn at sancharnet.in (Nataraj S Narayan) Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 11:44:44 +0000 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP FireFox and ASP In-Reply-To: <20050525014919.7A26173B3A@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20050525014919.7A26173B3A@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4294652C.9070808@sancharnet.in> Hi I have few LTSP clients using 486s, in my school, on Linux 2.4.20-3 kernel. The performance is quite good, except when coming to access the web pages hosted on an IIS server in the subnet. The pages has ASP in it. And Firefox is not showing ASP pages as it should be. Should i rewrite the ASP code using PHP? It is the only workaround? Or is there any setting or plugin to be turned on in Firefox? Or should I go for rdesktop from Ltsp clients to connect to a Windows 2003 terminal server? We dont have a Windows Terminal server as of now. plz give me your suggestions regards Nataraj From boris.lenzinger at castify.net Wed May 25 07:31:19 2005 From: boris.lenzinger at castify.net (Boris Lenzinger) Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 09:31:19 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP FireFox and ASP In-Reply-To: <4294652C.9070808@sancharnet.in> References: <20050525014919.7A26173B3A@hormel.redhat.com> <4294652C.9070808@sancharnet.in> Message-ID: <429429C7.3080804@castify.net> Nataraj, ASP (as PHP, JSP) is code that is executed on the server. This code will generate html. Then this html will be received and interpreted by your browser (in your case firefox). So there is NO interpretation of the ASP code on the client side. The problem is coming from the html generated by the ASP code. It is wrongly interpreted by your browser apparently since it does not display what you were expected. Did you check if other browsers have the same problem as firefox ? For instance Konqueror, nautilus, opera ? (I don't know if they are supported by k12ltsp, but I'm sure people on the list will be able to answer) Boris Nataraj S Narayan wrote: > Hi > > I have few LTSP clients using 486s, in my school, on Linux 2.4.20-3 > kernel. The performance is quite good, except when coming to access > the web pages hosted on an IIS server in the subnet. The pages has ASP > in it. And Firefox is not showing ASP pages as it should be. > > Should i rewrite the ASP code using PHP? It is the only workaround? Or > is there any setting or plugin to be turned on in Firefox? > > Or should I go for rdesktop from Ltsp clients to connect to a Windows > 2003 terminal server? > > We dont have a Windows Terminal server as of now. > > plz give me your suggestions > > > regards > > Nataraj > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From jon.spriggs at gmail.com Wed May 25 07:47:46 2005 From: jon.spriggs at gmail.com (Jon Spriggs) Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 08:47:46 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP FireFox and ASP In-Reply-To: <429429C7.3080804@castify.net> References: <20050525014919.7A26173B3A@hormel.redhat.com> <4294652C.9070808@sancharnet.in> <429429C7.3080804@castify.net> Message-ID: <96df2e0b050525004749e9feac@mail.gmail.com> Usually what you'll find with pages not drawing right is that it's using VBScript in it. Check your code for any VBScript, and if it's there, it won't work. I think there's an option in Visual Studio to enable multi-browser compatibility. Hope that helps -- Jon "Four Star Gun" Spriggs AKA Jon "The Nice Guy" Spriggs On 5/25/05, Boris Lenzinger wrote: > > Nataraj, > > ASP (as PHP, JSP) is code that is executed on the server. This code will > generate html. Then this html will be received and interpreted by your > browser (in your case firefox). So there is NO interpretation of the ASP > code on the client side. > The problem is coming from the html generated by the ASP code. It is > wrongly interpreted by your browser apparently since it does not display > what you were expected. > Did you check if other browsers have the same problem as firefox ? For > instance Konqueror, nautilus, opera ? (I don't know if they are > supported by k12ltsp, but I'm sure people on the list will be able to > answer) > > Boris > > Nataraj S Narayan wrote: > > > Hi > > > > I have few LTSP clients using 486s, in my school, on Linux 2.4.20-3 > > kernel. The performance is quite good, except when coming to access > > the web pages hosted on an IIS server in the subnet. The pages has ASP > > in it. And Firefox is not showing ASP pages as it should be. > > > > Should i rewrite the ASP code using PHP? It is the only workaround? 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Name: error.log Type: application/octet-stream Size: 2396 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Wed May 25 13:08:26 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 09:08:26 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SAMBA/LDAP install problems In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050525083020.05234600@localhost> References: <6.2.1.2.2.20050524100456.051ff100@localhost> < > < > <42933768.9090000@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> < > <6.2.1.2.2.20050524115444.052a9b40@localhost> < > <6.2.1.2.2.20050525083020.05234600@localhost> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 at 8:32 AM +0000 wrote: >>I'm the author of the smbldap docs you're using to set this up....I still >>need you to answer a couple questions so we can attack this from the >right >>starting point. What distro are you using? And....did you use the >>smbldap-installer script? You've still failed to answer the two questions above....if you won't answer...we can't help you. The error log tells us nothing more than it's not working, but without knowing what distribution of Linux you're using and whether or not you are using the smbldap-installer from the top of my page at http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/smbldap the error log is useless. Are you or are you not using Fedora Core 3 or K12LTSP 4.2? Did you or did you not use the smbldap-installer? > > >Attached is an error.log generated by using &> error.log (I was told be >a >private mail to try this). > >A couple of notes. > >The number of changes you say to make that are already done is >interesting. > >For example where you say to change contents of .conf to specify my >selected domain are already done. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From petre at maltzen.net Wed May 25 13:18:49 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 08:18:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Logins from Cygwin sloooow In-Reply-To: <200505242340.j4ONe19q019288@dbmail-mx4.orcon.co.nz> References: <200505242340.j4ONe19q019288@dbmail-mx4.orcon.co.nz> Message-ID: <42947B39.1040409@maltzen.net> Does this slowdown even happen on your laptop or just when connecting from one of the three new Windows boxes? If it's just the latter, could it be related to the server trying to do a reverse DNS lookup on the clients, which don't have an entry in the DNS, and eventually the server gives up and lets the connection go through? I've seen this kind of behavior several times over the years, where a client with a static address connects to a server and service with no problem, but clients that get addresses via DHCP have trouble, because they don't have an entry in the reverse DNS table. Or maybe not. Petre Krsnendu dasa wrote: > I have been using Cygwin to login from windows computers for a few > months now. It is cool to see that children who use the windows > computers in our classrooms prefer to connect to K12LTSP and run those > application rather than the window ones. J > > > > Anyway, when I was just connecting using my laptop everything was fine? > Get login screen, login to gnome wait about a second and voila there is > my desktop. > > Since we added 3 more windows computers with K12LTSP access some > problems have developed. > > 1. When I log on using any of the computers it usually goes fine and > fast until after I enter my password then I have to wait at least > 5 mins for it to log in. I just have a blue screen and a cursor > then eventually everything loads. Once it is loaded it works fine. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From petre at maltzen.net Wed May 25 13:30:36 2005 From: petre at maltzen.net (Petre Scheie) Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 08:30:36 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Suggestions for a LTSP Demo In-Reply-To: <1116984948.4439.64.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1116984948.4439.64.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <42947DFC.6000102@maltzen.net> If you want to be really sneeky about it, take your laptop and a universal etherboot floppy in a few days ahead of the demo and test it with some of the school's existing machines. Find some that work, make a mental note of them, and then during the demo say "Tell you what, let's try a few of the machines here as clients" and then wow them with how easily they can be integrated into the LTSP network. If you believe in full disclosure, you can fess up afterward, but your point will already have been made. Petre Gavin Chester wrote: > On Tue, 2005-05-24 at 23:32 +0800, Harish Pillay wrote: > > >>I would like to hear from list members on best practises for >>demos. >> > > > This has been asked several times in the last year alone so the archives > are a good source of ready answers to mine. Obvious search terms are > "demo" and "presentation". I recall some listers have generously > offered their presentations to others and posted links to them - or put > them in the wiki. Start digging and I have the feeling that you will > get some good material. > > Also, I recall sage advice that you should not turn up and expect > strange PCs to "just work" with your K12LTSP server because you may > strike network card problems and who-knows-what. Instead, it was > advised to take your server (could be laptop) and a couple of prepared > clients so that you don't end up with egg on your face trying to make it > work. Failing that, go in ahead of time and get the clients working > before the "official" eye-popping, jaw-dropping demo of the power of > LTSP. > > (Disclaimer: All comment and wisdom gleaned from people who have > actually done this and reported it to this list ;-) ) > From bill at computassist.com Wed May 25 14:18:30 2005 From: bill at computassist.com (Bill Bardon) Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 09:18:30 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] SAMBA/LDAP install problems In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.1.2.2.20050524100456.051ff100@localhost> <42933768.9090000@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <6.2.1.2.2.20050524115444.052a9b40@localhost> <6.2.1.2.2.20050525083020.05234600@localhost> Message-ID: <20050525091830.7ab9b9f8@localhost.localdomain> On Wednesday, May 25 David Trask wrote: > You've still failed to answer the two questions above....if you won't > answer...we can't help you. The error log tells us nothing more than > it's not working, but without knowing what distribution of Linux > you're using and whether or not you are using the smbldap-installer > from the top of my page at http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/smbldap > the error log is > useless. But David, he did answer. He's using CentOS, and he did a manual install, not the smbldap-installer. Here's his message again: "As I said in my message, but it was toward the bottom, Centos 4.0 "I started at the beginning of your script. I said I had fedora (I thought I had to say something). The script then asked me for disk 3, which of course I did not have. But as I looked through the messages, the rpms that were being asked from from that CD were already in the script's directory! So I copied them to the temp directory that the script was using, and let things go. "I have not booted the system since I started the install, so if there is something I can find...." Hope this helps. -- Bill Bardon COMPUTASSIST Omaha, Nebraska http://www.computassist.com From hick518 at yahoo.com Wed May 25 14:27:11 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 07:27:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] squidguard -- which direction? Message-ID: <20050525142711.73659.qmail@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I need some reassurance here. Does squidguard filter / redirect outgoing requests or incoming traffic? (I am using squidguard in conjunction with a firewall). For instance, if nastyurl.com is in my blacklist, but one of the local computers is already infected by a virus that constantly tries to connect to nastyurl.com, will the traffic will be blocked? -Rob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rgm at htt-consult.com Wed May 25 14:34:34 2005 From: rgm at htt-consult.com (Robert Moskowitz) Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 10:34:34 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SAMBA/LDAP install problems In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.1.2.2.20050524100456.051ff100@localhost> < > < > <42933768.9090000@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> < > <6.2.1.2.2.20050524115444.052a9b40@localhost> < > <6.2.1.2.2.20050525083020.05234600@localhost> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050525102754.051c7ea0@localhost> At 09:08 AM 5/25/2005, David Trask wrote: >"Support list for opensource software in schools." on >Wednesday, May 25, 2005 at 8:32 AM +0000 wrote: > >>I'm the author of the smbldap docs you're using to set this up....I still > >>need you to answer a couple questions so we can attack this from the > >right > >>starting point. What distro are you using? And....did you use the > >>smbldap-installer script? > >You've still failed to answer the two questions above....if you won't >answer...we can't help you. The error log tells us nothing more than it's >not working, but without knowing what distribution of Linux you're using >and whether or not you are using the smbldap-installer from the top of my >page at http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/smbldap the error log is >useless. > >Are you or are you not using Fedora Core 3 or K12LTSP 4.2? In practically every message I have said that I am using Centos 4.0 www.centos.org >Did you or did you not use the smbldap-installer? > > > > > > >Attached is an error.log generated by using &> error.log (I was told be > >a > >private mail to try this). > > > >A couple of notes. > > > >The number of changes you say to make that are already done is > >interesting. > > > >For example where you say to change contents of .conf to specify my > >selected domain are already done. > > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >(207)923-3100 > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see From rgm at htt-consult.com Wed May 25 14:34:21 2005 From: rgm at htt-consult.com (Robert Moskowitz) Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 10:34:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SAMBA/LDAP install problems In-Reply-To: <20050525091830.7ab9b9f8@localhost.localdomain> References: <6.2.1.2.2.20050524100456.051ff100@localhost> <42933768.9090000@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> <6.2.1.2.2.20050524115444.052a9b40@localhost> <6.2.1.2.2.20050525083020.05234600@localhost> <20050525091830.7ab9b9f8@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050525103022.05283500@localhost> At 10:18 AM 5/25/2005, Bill Bardon wrote: >On Wednesday, May 25 David Trask wrote: > > You've still failed to answer the two questions above....if you won't > > answer...we can't help you. The error log tells us nothing more than > > it's not working, but without knowing what distribution of Linux > > you're using and whether or not you are using the smbldap-installer > > from the top of my page at http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/smbldap > > the error log is > > useless. > >But David, he did answer. He's using CentOS, and he did a manual >install, not the smbldap-installer. Here's his message again: I did run the smblldap-installer. Version 1.2.1 And CentOS can be found at www.centos.org >"As I said in my message, but it was toward the bottom, Centos 4.0 > >"I started at the beginning of your script. I said I had fedora (I >thought I had to say something). The script then asked me for disk 3, >which of course I did not have. But as I looked through the messages, >the rpms that were being asked from from that CD were already in the >script's directory! So I copied them to the temp directory that the >script was using, and let things go. It was where the script asked me what distro, I answered fedora. I think I tried centos, and it did not like that and asked again? >"I have not booted the system since I started the install, so if there >is something I can find...." I have since had do boot. Did something stupid in which process I killed for something else I was doing and the GUI went blewy. Power down and restart..... >Hope this helps. > > >-- >Bill Bardon >COMPUTASSIST >Omaha, Nebraska >http://www.computassist.com > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see From rhlists at iwpnews.com Wed May 25 14:47:47 2005 From: rhlists at iwpnews.com (Robert Harrelson) Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 10:47:47 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] LTSP FireFox and ASP In-Reply-To: <4294652C.9070808@sancharnet.in> References: <20050525014919.7A26173B3A@hormel.redhat.com> <4294652C.9070808@sancharnet.in> Message-ID: <1117032467.14466.4.camel@symbiont03.iwpnews.com> We have a number of web sites that are very asp-intensive and have no problems with Firefox. Is the site public? Alternatively, can you post the code of the page? On Wed, 2005-05-25 at 11:44 +0000, Nataraj S Narayan wrote: > Hi > > I have few LTSP clients using 486s, in my school, on Linux 2.4.20-3 > kernel. The performance is quite good, except when coming to access the > web pages hosted on an IIS server in the subnet. The pages has ASP in > it. And Firefox is not showing ASP pages as it should be. > > Should i rewrite the ASP code using PHP? It is the only workaround? Or > is there any setting or plugin to be turned on in Firefox? > > Or should I go for rdesktop from Ltsp clients to connect to a Windows > 2003 terminal server? > > We dont have a Windows Terminal server as of now. > > plz give me your suggestions > > > regards > > Nataraj > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From spowers at inlandlakes.org Wed May 25 14:56:21 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 10:56:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Reading Counts? Message-ID: Before I attempt to use Wine (which I've never done... I'm almost ashamed to admit) -- does anyone currently have successful usage of "Scholastic's Reading Counts" working in a thin client environment? Just curious... -Shawn ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us Wed May 25 15:56:23 2005 From: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us (Mark Sarria) Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 08:56:23 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Print Quota In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200505251556.j4PFuKBY030623@mx1.redhat.com> I found a Webmin module, I wonder if it can do the same thing as PyKota. https://sourceforge.net/projects/pqadmin/ --mark -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of David Trask Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 6:26 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Cc: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Print Quota According to something I read....PyKota also supports using LDAP in leiu of Postgres....can anyone attest to this? If I'm running a Samba/LDAP server with all of my users on it....it makes sense for me to simply use that for authentication for printing. Anyone? "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, May 24, 2005 at 8:45 AM +0000 wrote: >I've just setup Pykota using my existing `Sandbox` Samba3 / LDAP server >built using Fedora Core 3 as >the backend and I looks like it should be quite good. We paid the $25 to >get the latest tar's / rpms >but the most important bit of that is the documentation, it's not >brilliant but I managed to get it >working !!! > >We use all HP printers so this might help as they seem to be really well >supported, we'll the 2100's >and 6P's we have are. > >I'm in the process of rebuilding all our Cups servers and I'm intending >to have pykota install on >all of them reporting back to a central Postgre server. > >The nice thing I have found with Pykota is that you can have both an >unmanaged print queue as well >as a pykota manager queue on the same machine to the same printer so I'm >hoping to roll the servers >out with auditing but if it all goes wrong I can switch to the standard >CUPS install without the end >users knowing all you have to alter is the port setup in the CUPS web >interface. > >I've got really really rough notes one installing pykota on Fedora Core 3 >if anyone is interested. >It's just a list of the packages I had to install and files to fiddle >with. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us Wed May 25 16:04:42 2005 From: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us (Mark Sarria) Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 09:04:42 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Print Quota In-Reply-To: <200505251556.j4PFuKBY030623@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200505251604.j4PG4bmi001492@mx1.redhat.com> Just install PQadmin, it only works for lprng --mark -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Mark Sarria Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 8:56 AM To: 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Print Quota I found a Webmin module, I wonder if it can do the same thing as PyKota. https://sourceforge.net/projects/pqadmin/ --mark -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of David Trask Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 6:26 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Cc: Support list for opensource software in schools. Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Print Quota According to something I read....PyKota also supports using LDAP in leiu of Postgres....can anyone attest to this? If I'm running a Samba/LDAP server with all of my users on it....it makes sense for me to simply use that for authentication for printing. Anyone? "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, May 24, 2005 at 8:45 AM +0000 wrote: >I've just setup Pykota using my existing `Sandbox` Samba3 / LDAP server >built using Fedora Core 3 as >the backend and I looks like it should be quite good. We paid the $25 to >get the latest tar's / rpms >but the most important bit of that is the documentation, it's not >brilliant but I managed to get it >working !!! > >We use all HP printers so this might help as they seem to be really well >supported, we'll the 2100's >and 6P's we have are. > >I'm in the process of rebuilding all our Cups servers and I'm intending >to have pykota install on >all of them reporting back to a central Postgre server. > >The nice thing I have found with Pykota is that you can have both an >unmanaged print queue as well >as a pykota manager queue on the same machine to the same printer so I'm >hoping to roll the servers >out with auditing but if it all goes wrong I can switch to the standard >CUPS install without the end >users knowing all you have to alter is the port setup in the CUPS web >interface. > >I've got really really rough notes one installing pykota on Fedora Core 3 >if anyone is interested. >It's just a list of the packages I had to install and files to fiddle >with. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From vteech4 at yahoo.ca Wed May 25 16:54:04 2005 From: vteech4 at yahoo.ca (V D) Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 12:54:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] wine problems Message-ID: <20050525165404.14284.qmail@web31103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I've now experienced this problem on two different machines (one a dual opteron 250, the other an athlon 3200). On the dual opteron... I "upgraded" wine by uninstalling an old version using rpm -e wine then installing the new rpm. On the athlon 3200... new clean install and installed the april version of wine... in both cases, wine works fine when logged in as root but if I log in as a different user I get the following message when running wine from the console: wine: failed to initialize: /usr/local/lib/wine/ntdll.dll.so: failed to map segm ent from shared object: Cannot allocate memory I've seen earlier messages on this list which refer to this error but no suggested solutions... I've tried the athlon, i386 versions as well as the original i686 version. Any suggestions would be most appreciated. Dan V ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca From webmaster at vol.org Wed May 25 18:55:41 2005 From: webmaster at vol.org (george kocke) Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 13:55:41 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Reading Counts? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1117047341.3916.19.camel@tardis.london.volnet> On Wed, 2005-05-25 at 09:56, Shawn Powers wrote: > Before I attempt to use Wine (which I've never done... I'm almost > ashamed to admit) -- does anyone currently have successful usage of > "Scholastic's Reading Counts" working in a thin client environment? Yes. I have Reading Counts working very well under Wine. I've had up to 24 students running it at once. It works better this way than it ever did running on individual 95 machines. I have what I believe to be version 2.0 of RC working under Wine. I believe this version is from 2001. I'm using a version of Wine from 2003. -- george kocke http://www.vol.org ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Wed May 25 19:19:52 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 12:19:52 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Suggested fix for Wine Message-ID: <4294CFD8.6010204@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Hi folks, Trond Maehlum recently posted that increasing the virtual memory limit (ulimit -v) fixes the problems people are setting with wine. Try adding the following line to /etc/rc.local ulimit -v unlimited and reboot your server. If you have K12LTSP_LIMITS="YES" set in /etc/sysconfig/k12ltsp-limits, you will also need to comment out the "ulimit -v" line in /etc/profile.d/k12ltsp-limits.sh -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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A FC3 binary package is available at: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/RPMS/schoolbell-1.1-rc1.k12ltsp.4.2.0.i386.rpm and the source package is at: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/testing/SRPMS/schoolbell-1.1-rc1.k12ltsp.4.2.0.src.rpm -- Eric Harrison Technology Services Multnomah Education Service District (503)257-1554 cell: (971)998-6249 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(which is documented in the same document as the smbldap-installer). We have no immediate plans to rewrite for CentOS, but Gideon Romm is working on a somewhat OS agnostic rewrite, but it is a ways from being ready. I just received a copy today and hope to test in a bit. One idea to try....do a FULL install of CentOS....install EVERYTHING...and then try running the script....it just may work. Share your results here. (the advantage of the full install is that you may install 99% of the packages needed and thus not need the CD's) "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 at 10:34 AM +0000 wrote: >At 10:18 AM 5/25/2005, Bill Bardon wrote: >>On Wednesday, May 25 David Trask wrote: >> > You've still failed to answer the two questions above....if you won't >> > answer...we can't help you. The error log tells us nothing more than >> > it's not working, but without knowing what distribution of Linux >> > you're using and whether or not you are using the smbldap-installer >> > from the top of my page at http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/smbldap >> > the error log is >> > useless. >> >>But David, he did answer. He's using CentOS, and he did a manual >>install, not the smbldap-installer. Here's his message again: > >I did run the smblldap-installer. Version 1.2.1 > >And CentOS can be found at www.centos.org > > >>"As I said in my message, but it was toward the bottom, Centos 4.0 >> >>"I started at the beginning of your script. I said I had fedora (I >>thought I had to say something). The script then asked me for disk 3, >>which of course I did not have. But as I looked through the messages, >>the rpms that were being asked from from that CD were already in the >>script's directory! So I copied them to the temp directory that the >>script was using, and let things go. > >It was where the script asked me what distro, I answered fedora. I think >I >tried centos, and it did not like that and asked again? > >>"I have not booted the system since I started the install, so if there >>is something I can find...." > >I have since had do boot. Did something stupid in which process I killed >for something else I was doing and the GUI went blewy. Power down and >restart..... David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Wed May 25 22:52:45 2005 From: ltsp at symbio-technologies.com (Gideon Romm) Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 18:52:45 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] SAMBA/LDAP install problems In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.1.2.2.20050524100456.051ff100@localhost> < > <42933768.9090000@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> < > <6.2.1.2.2.20050524115444.052a9b40@localhost> < > < > <6.2.1.2.2.20050525083020.05234600@localhost> < > < > <20050525091830.7ab9b9f8@localhost.localdomain> <6.2.1.2.2.20050525103022.05283500@localhost> Message-ID: <1117061565.18922.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hey! This is an opportunity to draft testers if ever I saw one. Steve, hi. As Dave points out, I had some issues with the script, mainly in the rpm checking department, so I took a stab at rewriting it to be more distro-agnostic. I'm attaching v. 0.1 to this email. Unpack, cd into the directory, and run ./smbldap-installer (and if you have problems, let me know). A few points before you run it: 1. Use APT or YUM to install smbldap-tools, openldap-servers, and samba, nfs-server (if using NFS for homedirs), and nscd (These repos should make sure all dependent rpms are installed) 2. Make sure smbldap-populate is in your path (by typing: which smbldap-populate). If it is not, search for the file and add the directory that it is in to your path (by typing: export PATH=/path/to/smbldap-populate:$PATH) 3. Run the script Hopefully, all will go well. If not, please attach the smbldap-install.log file that gets created to your next post. Cheers, -Gadi On Wed, 2005-05-25 at 18:39 -0400, David Trask wrote: > I apologize....I must have missed the message....the script is ONLY > written for FC 3 or K12LTSP 4.2 (which is based on FC 3). You need to > have the FC 3 or K12LTSP 4.2 install disks for it to work. If you wish to > use CentOS....you're going to have to do everything manually. (which is > documented in the same document as the smbldap-installer). We have no > immediate plans to rewrite for CentOS, but Gideon Romm is working on a > somewhat OS agnostic rewrite, but it is a ways from being ready. I just > received a copy today and hope to test in a bit. One idea to try....do a > FULL install of CentOS....install EVERYTHING...and then try running the > script....it just may work. Share your results here. (the advantage of > the full install is that you may install 99% of the packages needed and > thus not need the CD's) > > > "Support list for opensource software in schools." on > Wednesday, May 25, 2005 at 10:34 AM +0000 wrote: > >At 10:18 AM 5/25/2005, Bill Bardon wrote: > >>On Wednesday, May 25 David Trask wrote: > >> > You've still failed to answer the two questions above....if you won't > >> > answer...we can't help you. The error log tells us nothing more than > >> > it's not working, but without knowing what distribution of Linux > >> > you're using and whether or not you are using the smbldap-installer > >> > from the top of my page at http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/smbldap > >> > the error log is > >> > useless. > >> > >>But David, he did answer. He's using CentOS, and he did a manual > >>install, not the smbldap-installer. Here's his message again: > > > >I did run the smblldap-installer. Version 1.2.1 > > > >And CentOS can be found at www.centos.org > > > > > >>"As I said in my message, but it was toward the bottom, Centos 4.0 > >> > >>"I started at the beginning of your script. I said I had fedora (I > >>thought I had to say something). The script then asked me for disk 3, > >>which of course I did not have. But as I looked through the messages, > >>the rpms that were being asked from from that CD were already in the > >>script's directory! So I copied them to the temp directory that the > >>script was using, and let things go. > > > >It was where the script asked me what distro, I answered fedora. I think > >I > >tried centos, and it did not like that and asked again? > > > >>"I have not booted the system since I started the install, so if there > >>is something I can find...." > > > >I have since had do boot. Did something stupid in which process I killed > >for something else I was doing and the GUI went blewy. Power down and > >restart..... > > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smbldap-0.1.tgz Type: application/x-compressed-tar Size: 25310 bytes Desc: not available URL: From harish.pillay at gmail.com Wed May 25 23:44:02 2005 From: harish.pillay at gmail.com (Harish Pillay) Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 07:44:02 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Suggestions for a LTSP Demo In-Reply-To: <42947DFC.6000102@maltzen.net> References: <1116984948.4439.64.camel@localhost.localdomain> <42947DFC.6000102@maltzen.net> Message-ID: Good idea. I think I will look into using the PXES boot CDs for this. Harish On 5/25/05, Petre Scheie wrote: > If you want to be really sneeky about it, take your laptop and a universal etherboot > floppy in a few days ahead of the demo and test it with some of the school's existing > machines. Find some that work, make a mental note of them, and then during the demo say > "Tell you what, let's try a few of the machines here as clients" and then wow them with > how easily they can be integrated into the LTSP network. If you believe in full > disclosure, you can fess up afterward, but your point will already have been made. > > Petre > > Gavin Chester wrote: > > On Tue, 2005-05-24 at 23:32 +0800, Harish Pillay wrote: > > > > > >>I would like to hear from list members on best practises for > >>demos. > >> > > > > > > This has been asked several times in the last year alone so the archives > > are a good source of ready answers to mine. Obvious search terms are > > "demo" and "presentation". I recall some listers have generously > > offered their presentations to others and posted links to them - or put > > them in the wiki. Start digging and I have the feeling that you will > > get some good material. > > > > Also, I recall sage advice that you should not turn up and expect > > strange PCs to "just work" with your K12LTSP server because you may > > strike network card problems and who-knows-what. Instead, it was > > advised to take your server (could be laptop) and a couple of prepared > > clients so that you don't end up with egg on your face trying to make it > > work. Failing that, go in ahead of time and get the clients working > > before the "official" eye-popping, jaw-dropping demo of the power of > > LTSP. > > > > (Disclaimer: All comment and wisdom gleaned from people who have > > actually done this and reported it to this list ;-) ) > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From trond at mahlum.biz Thu May 26 07:42:42 2005 From: trond at mahlum.biz (Trond =?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E6hlum?=) Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 09:42:42 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Suggested fix for Wine In-Reply-To: <4294CFD8.6010204@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <4294CFD8.6010204@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1117093362.7906.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> ons, 25,.05.2005 kl. 12.19 -0700, skrev Eric Harrison: > Hi folks, > > > Trond Maehlum recently posted that increasing the virtual memory limit > (ulimit -v) fixes the problems people are setting with wine. > > > Try adding the following line to /etc/rc.local > > ulimit -v unlimited When logged in as a normal user, ulimit -a still shows virtual memory 600000. And wine still show the same error. I experimented alot with this, and I _can't_ get the ulimit -v unlimited command to apply to normal users. I have tried it in /etc/profile and /etc/rc.local, but it does not work. > and reboot your server. > > > > If you have K12LTSP_LIMITS="YES" set in /etc/sysconfig/k12ltsp-limits, > you will also need to comment out the "ulimit -v" line in > /etc/profile.d/k12ltsp-limits.sh I do not have K12LTSP_LIMITS="YES". Trond > -Eric > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From veewee77 at alltel.net Thu May 26 11:35:26 2005 From: veewee77 at alltel.net (Doug Simpson) Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 06:35:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Reading Counts? In-Reply-To: <1117047341.3916.19.camel@tardis.london.volnet> References: <1117047341.3916.19.camel@tardis.london.volnet> Message-ID: <4295B47E.9040005@alltel.net> Can you send detailed info on how you made it work under wine? I have tried it (some) but couldn't figure out how to make wine mape a network drive to an existing R: drive so the users could use terminals or windows computers and get the same data files. We run probably no less than 200 RC clients at a time, too. . . Doug george kocke wrote: >On Wed, 2005-05-25 at 09:56, Shawn Powers wrote: > > > >>Before I attempt to use Wine (which I've never done... I'm almost >>ashamed to admit) -- does anyone currently have successful usage of >>"Scholastic's Reading Counts" working in a thin client environment? >> >> > >Yes. I have Reading Counts working very well under Wine. I've had up to >24 students running it at once. It works better this way than it ever >did running on individual 95 machines. > >I have what I believe to be version 2.0 of RC working under Wine. I >believe this version is from 2001. I'm using a version of Wine from >2003. > > > From spowers at inlandlakes.org Thu May 26 12:10:39 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 08:10:39 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Reading Counts? In-Reply-To: <4295B47E.9040005@alltel.net> References: <1117047341.3916.19.camel@tardis.london.volnet> <4295B47E.9040005@alltel.net> Message-ID: <4295BCBF.7030600@inlandlakes.org> Doug Simpson wrote: > Can you send detailed info on how you made it work under wine? Preferably to the list -- I have to try this over the summer (maybe before). Thanks a ton George, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From spowers at inlandlakes.org Thu May 26 12:57:49 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 08:57:49 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Perl advice Message-ID: <4295C7CD.4010408@inlandlakes.org> I have to mangle 70 text files outputted from a grading program into 1 absurdly complex file for our student management system. I'm sure Perl is the program to use for this, but I am not a Perl programmer. Does anyone know any good tutorials, or better yet, text file manipulating Perl examples that I could absorb into my conscienceness? Lastly, anyone do any Perl scripting for cash, or know where I could turn if I can't figure it out in short order? Thanks, -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From ccraig at safedesksolutions.com Thu May 26 13:03:28 2005 From: ccraig at safedesksolutions.com (Curt Craig) Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 06:03:28 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Reading Counts? In-Reply-To: <4295BCBF.7030600@inlandlakes.org> References: <1117047341.3916.19.camel@tardis.london.volnet> <4295B47E.9040005@alltel.net> <4295BCBF.7030600@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <1117112608.678.4.camel@ts.gekl.net> I'd be interested to hear if anyone here has had luck with wine and RC 3.0+....thanks folks. Curt On Thu, 2005-05-26 at 05:10, Shawn Powers wrote: > Doug Simpson wrote: > > Can you send detailed info on how you made it work under wine? > Preferably to the list -- I have to try this over the summer (maybe before). > > Thanks a ton George, > -Shawn -- Curt Craig SafeDesk Solutions V: 509-455-6720 F: 509-536-0565 toll free 866-465-8636 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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AFAIK, -Gadi On Thu, 2005-05-26 at 09:42 +0200, Trond M?hlum wrote: > ons, 25,.05.2005 kl. 12.19 -0700, skrev Eric Harrison: > > Hi folks, > > > > > > Trond Maehlum recently posted that increasing the virtual memory limit > > (ulimit -v) fixes the problems people are setting with wine. > > > > > > Try adding the following line to /etc/rc.local > > > > ulimit -v unlimited > > When logged in as a normal user, ulimit -a still shows virtual memory > 600000. And wine still show the same error. > > I experimented alot with this, and I _can't_ get the ulimit -v unlimited > command to apply to normal users. I have tried it in /etc/profile > and /etc/rc.local, but it does not work. > > > and reboot your server. > > > > > > > > If you have K12LTSP_LIMITS="YES" set in /etc/sysconfig/k12ltsp-limits, > > you will also need to comment out the "ulimit -v" line in > > /etc/profile.d/k12ltsp-limits.sh > > I do not have K12LTSP_LIMITS="YES". > > Trond > > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > From ltsp at symbio-technologies.com Thu May 26 13:19:44 2005 From: ltsp at symbio-technologies.com (Gideon Romm) Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 09:19:44 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Perl advice In-Reply-To: <4295C7CD.4010408@inlandlakes.org> References: <4295C7CD.4010408@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <1117113584.10580.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> I may do it for beer. ;) -Gadi On Thu, 2005-05-26 at 08:57 -0400, Shawn Powers wrote: > I have to mangle 70 text files outputted from a grading program into 1 > absurdly complex file for our student management system. I'm sure Perl > is the program to use for this, but I am not a Perl programmer. > > Does anyone know any good tutorials, or better yet, text file > manipulating Perl examples that I could absorb into my conscienceness? > > Lastly, anyone do any Perl scripting for cash, or know where I could > turn if I can't figure it out in short order? Thanks, > > -Shawn From jim at winonacotter.org Thu May 26 13:34:26 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 08:34:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Perl advice In-Reply-To: <1117113584.10580.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <001401c561f7$a2e748d0$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > I may do it for beer. ;) Shawn, in my experiences, you may want to provide the beer after the work :-) No offense Gideon :-) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From vceder at canterburyschool.org Thu May 26 13:33:49 2005 From: vceder at canterburyschool.org (Vern Ceder) Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 08:33:49 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Perl advice In-Reply-To: <4295C7CD.4010408@inlandlakes.org> References: <4295C7CD.4010408@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <4295D03D.8040000@canterburyschool.org> Respectfully, I would suggest that Python or Ruby would be as good, if not better, for a task like that. With both of them you can be up and mangling files surprisingly quickly. Vern Shawn Powers wrote: > I have to mangle 70 text files outputted from a grading program into 1 > absurdly complex file for our student management system. I'm sure Perl > is the program to use for this, but I am not a Perl programmer. > > Does anyone know any good tutorials, or better yet, text file > manipulating Perl examples that I could absorb into my conscienceness? > > Lastly, anyone do any Perl scripting for cash, or know where I could > turn if I can't figure it out in short order? Thanks, > > -Shawn -- This time for sure! -Bullwinkle J. Moose ----------------------------- Vern Ceder, Director of Technology Canterbury School, 3210 Smith Road, Ft Wayne, IN 46804 vceder at canterburyschool.org; 260-436-0746; FAX: 260-436-5137 From cwagnon at bryantschools.org Thu May 26 13:48:56 2005 From: cwagnon at bryantschools.org (Caleb Wagnon) Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 08:48:56 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Eric's SquidGuard setup... Message-ID: <315e2b72f727b8b8b80c7db9351d486d42947f22@bryantschools.org> I was wondering...are there any updated rpm's available for Eric's squidGuard setup? I've used his 7.3 setup since he first published it and now I'm wanting to set it up with WBEL 4. Caleb Wagnon Network Administrator Bryant Public Schools (501)653-5011 ___________________ From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu May 26 14:29:20 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 07:29:20 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Eric's SquidGuard setup... In-Reply-To: <315e2b72f727b8b8b80c7db9351d486d42947f22@bryantschools.org> References: <315e2b72f727b8b8b80c7db9351d486d42947f22@bryantschools.org> Message-ID: <4295DD40.7060706@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Caleb Wagnon wrote: > I was wondering...are there any updated rpm's available for Eric's > squidGuard setup? I've used his 7.3 setup since he first published it > and now I'm wanting to set it up with WBEL 4. > The *EL4 rpms I'm working on are available here: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/apt/EL4/RPMS.k12ltsp/ -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I've used his 7.3 setup since he first published it > and now I'm wanting to set it up with WBEL 4. > The *EL4 rpms I'm working on are available here: ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/apt/EL4/RPMS.k12ltsp/ -Eric From jon.spriggs at gmail.com Thu May 26 14:57:37 2005 From: jon.spriggs at gmail.com (Jon Spriggs) Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 15:57:37 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Perl advice In-Reply-To: <4295D03D.8040000@canterburyschool.org> References: <4295C7CD.4010408@inlandlakes.org> <4295D03D.8040000@canterburyschool.org> Message-ID: <96df2e0b0505260757579e7bb3@mail.gmail.com> I always tend to use PHP for that sort of thing... I guess it's down to your personal preferences with regards to scripting languages. I can provide an example of converting a text file to a CSV file in PHP if required? On 5/26/05, Vern Ceder wrote: > > Respectfully, I would suggest that Python or Ruby would be as good, if > not better, for a task like that. With both of them you can be up and > mangling files surprisingly quickly. > > Vern > > Shawn Powers wrote: > > I have to mangle 70 text files outputted from a grading program into 1 > > absurdly complex file for our student management system. I'm sure Perl > > is the program to use for this, but I am not a Perl programmer. > > > > Does anyone know any good tutorials, or better yet, text file > > manipulating Perl examples that I could absorb into my conscienceness? > > > > Lastly, anyone do any Perl scripting for cash, or know where I could > > turn if I can't figure it out in short order? Thanks, > > > > -Shawn > > -- > This time for sure! > -Bullwinkle J. Moose > ----------------------------- > Vern Ceder, Director of Technology > Canterbury School, 3210 Smith Road, Ft Wayne, IN 46804 > vceder at canterburyschool.org; 260-436-0746; FAX: 260-436-5137 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -- Jon "Four Star Gun" Spriggs AKA Jon "The Nice Guy" Spriggs -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gumprechtm at msln.net Thu May 26 15:05:22 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 11:05:22 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] schoolbell Message-ID: <4295E5B2.3000803@msln.net> I'v installed the new schoolbell rc1 on my ltsp to play with. I tried to share a calendar between users and I can not seem to get it to work. I went into the access setup of one user and checked the box to give another user view capabilities and then logged out and back in as that user and it will not give the option to view the calendar. What am I doing wrong? Mark -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From tom.hoffman at gmail.com Thu May 26 15:09:03 2005 From: tom.hoffman at gmail.com (Tom Hoffman) Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 11:09:03 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] schoolbell In-Reply-To: <4295E5B2.3000803@msln.net> References: <4295E5B2.3000803@msln.net> Message-ID: <92de6c8805052608097929aa28@mail.gmail.com> On 5/26/05, Mark Gumprecht wrote: > I'v installed the new schoolbell rc1 on my ltsp to play with. I tried to > share a calendar between users and I can not seem to get it to work. I > went into the access setup of one user and checked the box to give > another user view capabilities and then logged out and back in as that > user and it will not give the option to view the calendar. > What am I doing wrong? Well, I can guess... Make sure you allowed 'view calendar' as well as 'view.' You need to check 'More...' on the calendar page to designate which calendars will show up as choices (otherwise you'd have hundreds on there in some cases). --Tom From webmaster at vol.org Thu May 26 15:12:45 2005 From: webmaster at vol.org (george kocke) Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 10:12:45 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Reading Counts? In-Reply-To: <4295B47E.9040005@alltel.net> References: <1117047341.3916.19.camel@tardis.london.volnet> <4295B47E.9040005@alltel.net> Message-ID: <1117120365.7918.75.camel@tardis.london.volnet> On Thu, 2005-05-26 at 06:35, Doug Simpson wrote: > Can you send detailed info on how you made it work under wine? Sure. I created a "gold" Scholastic user and ran the Reading Counts setup with Wine. Wine created a ".wine" directory in this user's home directory with config files and a "fake_windows" directory that mimics the directory structure of a hard drive on a Windows machine. I edited the Wine config file to map drive S to the directory containing the RC quiz and database files. I also had to do some display tweaking in this file as well. My config file may be found here: http://www.vol.org/vol/school/freedom/reading_counts/config I then created user accounts that are only used for RC, assigned those accounts to specific computers and wrote the user name on the monitor. When someone using one of these usernames logs in, my login script wipes any existing ".wine" directory, copies the good copy from the gold user, uses sed to change the username in the Wine config file and changes ownership to the correct user. You'll find that script here at the bottom of the page: http://www.vol.org/vol/school/freedom/ltsp_scripts I've never tried running the RC administration software under Wine. The teacher in charge of RC boots into Windows to run that program. Running Reading Counts under Wine works far better than it ever did under Windows 95. RC would frequently freeze and leave a lock file that would prevent anyone else from starting the program. The teacher would call Scholastic tech "support" for help and they would just tell her to reboot the server. Reading Counts would be perfect as a web based app. -- george kocke http://www.vol.org ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ From corycartwright at sbcglobal.net Thu May 26 15:18:16 2005 From: corycartwright at sbcglobal.net (CORY CARTWRIGHT) Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 08:18:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Perl advice In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050526151816.4411.qmail@web80601.mail.yahoo.com> Shawn, I would also be willing to help. Are all the files in the same format? If so send one as an example. And of course send an example of what you need to see in the output. I will add plenty of comments that can maybe get you started in Perl. Cory --- Shawn Powers wrote: > I have to mangle 70 text files outputted from a > grading program into 1 > absurdly complex file for our student management > system. I'm sure Perl > is the program to use for this, but I am not a Perl > programmer. > > Does anyone know any good tutorials, or better yet, > text file > manipulating Perl examples that I could absorb into > my conscienceness? > > Lastly, anyone do any Perl scripting for cash, or > know where I could > turn if I can't figure it out in short order? > Thanks, > > -Shawn > -- > Shawn Powers > Technology Director > Inland Lakes Schools > PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 > FAX: 509-356-7024 > spowers at inlandlakes.org > http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org > > -- reasons>-- > The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, > sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, > cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, > OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream > preference, > or anything else I might infer are not the > views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much > everything > I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should > be > considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From gumprechtm at msln.net Thu May 26 15:21:21 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 11:21:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] schoolbell In-Reply-To: <92de6c8805052608097929aa28@mail.gmail.com> References: <4295E5B2.3000803@msln.net> <92de6c8805052608097929aa28@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4295E971.7040102@msln.net> Ok, I did not catch the more button before. That works and allows me to view the others calendar. But if I click on the persons header to get to the list of users and select the user, under the actions menu, I do not get the view calendar option. I received that option once and thoght that was a normal thing, but I can not duplicate that again. Mark Tom Hoffman wrote: >On 5/26/05, Mark Gumprecht wrote: > > >>I'v installed the new schoolbell rc1 on my ltsp to play with. I tried to >>share a calendar between users and I can not seem to get it to work. I >>went into the access setup of one user and checked the box to give >>another user view capabilities and then logged out and back in as that >>user and it will not give the option to view the calendar. >>What am I doing wrong? >> >> > >Well, I can guess... > >Make sure you allowed 'view calendar' as well as 'view.' > >You need to check 'More...' on the calendar page to designate which >calendars will show up as choices (otherwise you'd have hundreds on >there in some cases). > >--Tom > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From tom.hoffman at gmail.com Thu May 26 15:45:21 2005 From: tom.hoffman at gmail.com (Tom Hoffman) Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 11:45:21 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] schoolbell In-Reply-To: <4295E971.7040102@msln.net> References: <4295E5B2.3000803@msln.net> <92de6c8805052608097929aa28@mail.gmail.com> <4295E971.7040102@msln.net> Message-ID: <92de6c8805052608457bad10eb@mail.gmail.com> On 5/26/05, Mark Gumprecht wrote: > Ok, > I did not catch the more button before. That works and allows me to view > the others calendar. But if I click on the persons header to get to the > list of users and select the user, under the actions menu, I do not get > the view calendar option. I received that option once and thoght that > was a normal thing, but I can not duplicate that again. Hi Mark, First off, thanks for taking the time to try out SchoolBell. If you're viewing a person, and you have permission to also see their calendar, you should see the 'View calendar' option. But the way it is set up now, users don't automatically get permission to see each other's calendars. Whether or not this is the best default setting, especially for non-schools is debatable, but I guess it reflects the relatively high level of paranoia you have to cultivate when you're writing apps like this for schools. I am, at this very moment, working on some detailed screencast-type documentation on setting up and using SchoolBell. The access control is the trickiest part of that task as well, but it should be helpful and finished for the Tuesday release. Anyhow, if you want all your users to see each other's calendars, turn on the 'View calendar' permission for 'Authenticated users.' --Tom From gumprechtm at msln.net Thu May 26 15:57:17 2005 From: gumprechtm at msln.net (Mark Gumprecht) Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 11:57:17 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] schoolbell In-Reply-To: <92de6c8805052608457bad10eb@mail.gmail.com> References: <4295E5B2.3000803@msln.net> <92de6c8805052608097929aa28@mail.gmail.com> <4295E971.7040102@msln.net> <92de6c8805052608457bad10eb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4295F1DD.9010103@msln.net> Actually, Thankyou. I am not able (yet) to contribute to the development end of things, But a big THANK YOU to all of you who work behind the scenes to allow people like me to get involved in open source and try things out. I showed this to my boss and he's up for testing it out in the library for equipment reservation and shared calendars for administrative staff... at this point. mark Tom Hoffman wrote: >On 5/26/05, Mark Gumprecht wrote: > > >>Ok, >>I did not catch the more button before. That works and allows me to view >>the others calendar. But if I click on the persons header to get to the >>list of users and select the user, under the actions menu, I do not get >>the view calendar option. I received that option once and thoght that >>was a normal thing, but I can not duplicate that again. >> >> > >Hi Mark, > >First off, thanks for taking the time to try out SchoolBell. > >If you're viewing a person, and you have permission to also see their >calendar, you should see the 'View calendar' option. But the way it >is set up now, users don't automatically get permission to see each >other's calendars. Whether or not this is the best default setting, >especially for non-schools is debatable, but I guess it reflects the >relatively high level of paranoia you have to cultivate when you're >writing apps like this for schools. > >I am, at this very moment, working on some detailed screencast-type >documentation on setting up and using SchoolBell. The access control >is the trickiest part of that task as well, but it should be helpful >and finished for the Tuesday release. > >Anyhow, if you want all your users to see each other's calendars, turn >on the 'View calendar' permission for 'Authenticated users.' > >--Tom > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > > -- Mark Gumprecht Data Systems Specialist MSAD3 Unity, ME gumprechtm at msln.net From tom.hoffman at gmail.com Thu May 26 16:21:31 2005 From: tom.hoffman at gmail.com (Tom Hoffman) Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 12:21:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] schoolbell In-Reply-To: <4295F1DD.9010103@msln.net> References: <4295E5B2.3000803@msln.net> <92de6c8805052608097929aa28@mail.gmail.com> <4295E971.7040102@msln.net> <92de6c8805052608457bad10eb@mail.gmail.com> <4295F1DD.9010103@msln.net> Message-ID: <92de6c8805052609212ae2d968@mail.gmail.com> On 5/26/05, Mark Gumprecht wrote: > Actually, Thankyou. I am not able (yet) to contribute to the development > end of things, But a big THANK YOU to all of you who work behind the > scenes to allow people like me to get involved in open source and try > things out. I showed this to my boss and he's up for testing it out in > the library for equipment reservation and shared calendars for > administrative staff... at this point. That's our 'foot in the door' strategy in action ;-) We'll have a beta of SchoolTool Calendar out next Tuesday which will let you set up your school timetable so that the reservations can be made by period instead of by hours and minutes. Make sure and check that out, too. And we should all thank Mark Shuttleworth for paying out of his own pockets to get this project off the ground. --Tom From trond at mahlum.biz Thu May 26 17:23:57 2005 From: trond at mahlum.biz (Trond =?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E6hlum?=) Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 19:23:57 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Suggested fix for Wine In-Reply-To: <1117113529.10580.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4294CFD8.6010204@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <1117093362.7906.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1117113529.10580.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1117128237.6753.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> tor, 26,.05.2005 kl. 09.18 -0400, skrev Gideon Romm: > ulimit applies to processes, not users. As long as it is set > in /etc/profile (and not unset elsewhere), it should limit the memory > for any process launched. I don't know anything about that, but the scenario is this: When logged in as user, wine fails with the message below. When I type ulimit -a it says virtual memory 600000. ulimit -v unlimited cannot be executed as normal user. This is the same wheter ulimit -v unlimited is set in /etc/profile, /etc/rc.local or not set at all. When logged in as root, wine also fails with the same message. When I type ulimit -a it also says virtual memory 600000. But now I can run ulimit -v unlimited, and execute wine, and it works. On my Debian box at home, I just ran ulimit -a as myself. It showed virtual memory unlimited. Is the 600000 limit a redhat thing? If so it should be possible to alter it for normal user as well? Trond > AFAIK, > > -Gadi > > On Thu, 2005-05-26 at 09:42 +0200, Trond M?hlum wrote: > > ons, 25,.05.2005 kl. 12.19 -0700, skrev Eric Harrison: > > > Hi folks, > > > > > > > > > Trond Maehlum recently posted that increasing the virtual memory limit > > > (ulimit -v) fixes the problems people are setting with wine. > > > > > > > > > Try adding the following line to /etc/rc.local > > > > > > ulimit -v unlimited > > > > When logged in as a normal user, ulimit -a still shows virtual memory > > 600000. And wine still show the same error. > > > > I experimented alot with this, and I _can't_ get the ulimit -v unlimited > > command to apply to normal users. I have tried it in /etc/profile > > and /etc/rc.local, but it does not work. > > > > > and reboot your server. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you have K12LTSP_LIMITS="YES" set in /etc/sysconfig/k12ltsp-limits, > > > you will also need to comment out the "ulimit -v" line in > > > /etc/profile.d/k12ltsp-limits.sh > > > > I do not have K12LTSP_LIMITS="YES". > > > > Trond > > > > > -Eric > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Thu May 26 19:35:40 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 12:35:40 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Suggested fix for Wine In-Reply-To: <1117128237.6753.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4294CFD8.6010204@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <1117093362.7906.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1117113529.10580.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1117128237.6753.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4296250C.4070208@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Trond M?hlum wrote: > tor, 26,.05.2005 kl. 09.18 -0400, skrev Gideon Romm: > >>ulimit applies to processes, not users. As long as it is set >>in /etc/profile (and not unset elsewhere), it should limit the memory >>for any process launched. > > > I don't know anything about that, but the scenario is this: > > When logged in as user, wine fails with the message below. When I type > ulimit -a it says virtual memory 600000. ulimit -v unlimited cannot be > executed as normal user. This is the same wheter ulimit -v unlimited is > set in /etc/profile, /etc/rc.local or not set at all. > > When logged in as root, wine also fails with the same message. When I > type ulimit -a it also says virtual memory 600000. But now I can run > ulimit -v unlimited, and execute wine, and it works. > > On my Debian box at home, I just ran ulimit -a as myself. It showed > virtual memory unlimited. > > > Is the 600000 limit a redhat thing? If so it should be possible to alter > it for normal user as well? > > Trond > After editing your /etc/profile and/or /etc/rc.local, did you reboot? -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From trond at mahlum.biz Thu May 26 20:36:52 2005 From: trond at mahlum.biz (Trond =?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E6hlum?=) Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 22:36:52 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Suggested fix for Wine In-Reply-To: <4296250C.4070208@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <4294CFD8.6010204@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <1117093362.7906.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1117113529.10580.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1117128237.6753.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4296250C.4070208@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <1117139812.8436.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> tor, 26,.05.2005 kl. 12.35 -0700, skrev Eric Harrison: > Trond M?hlum wrote: > > tor, 26,.05.2005 kl. 09.18 -0400, skrev Gideon Romm: > > > >>ulimit applies to processes, not users. As long as it is set > >>in /etc/profile (and not unset elsewhere), it should limit the memory > >>for any process launched. > > > > > > I don't know anything about that, but the scenario is this: > > > > When logged in as user, wine fails with the message below. When I type > > ulimit -a it says virtual memory 600000. ulimit -v unlimited cannot be > > executed as normal user. This is the same wheter ulimit -v unlimited is > > set in /etc/profile, /etc/rc.local or not set at all. > > > > When logged in as root, wine also fails with the same message. When I > > type ulimit -a it also says virtual memory 600000. But now I can run > > ulimit -v unlimited, and execute wine, and it works. > > > > On my Debian box at home, I just ran ulimit -a as myself. It showed > > virtual memory unlimited. > > > > > > Is the 600000 limit a redhat thing? If so it should be possible to alter > > it for normal user as well? > > > > Trond > > > > > After editing your /etc/profile and/or /etc/rc.local, did you reboot? Yes Trond > > -Eric > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jam at mcquil.com Thu May 26 21:10:00 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 17:10:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] screen saver In-Reply-To: <42962666.7050300@addisonboot.com> References: <42962666.7050300@addisonboot.com> Message-ID: Mike, Sounds like the Xserver is crashing. It definately shouldn't be doing what you've described. Tell us about the workstation. How much memory, and what kind of video card? Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Thu, 26 May 2005, mike webb wrote: > using k12ltsp and the "rom-omatic" floppy disk on the terminals. > if i don't use the terminal for a length of time instead of a screen saver > coming up or the screen blanking the screen reverts back to text mode and > displays what i believe to be the last things that were on the display before > going into graphics mode. does anyone know how to stop this ?? i would like > for the screen to just go blank. in control center->apperance and > themes->screen saver i have set it for "blank screen", but that doesn't seem > to help. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Thu May 26 21:21:05 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 16:21:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Suggested fix for Wine In-Reply-To: <1117128237.6753.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4294CFD8.6010204@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <1117093362.7906.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1117113529.10580.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1117128237.6753.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <440F310A-49C4-46AF-9478-30BE1B3DA561@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Maybe the problem is SE Linux related??? Hence the RH problem and not on debian?? On May 26, 2005, at 12:23 PM, Trond M?hlum wrote: > > I don't know anything about that, but the scenario is this: > > When logged in as user, wine fails with the message below. When I type > ulimit -a it says virtual memory 600000. ulimit -v unlimited cannot be > executed as normal user. This is the same wheter ulimit -v > unlimited is > set in /etc/profile, /etc/rc.local or not set at all. > > When logged in as root, wine also fails with the same message. When I > type ulimit -a it also says virtual memory 600000. But now I can run > ulimit -v unlimited, and execute wine, and it works. > > On my Debian box at home, I just ran ulimit -a as myself. It showed > virtual memory unlimited. > > > Is the 600000 limit a redhat thing? If so it should be possible to > alter > it for normal user as well? > > Trond -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkKWPcEACgkQfqZR3ThMfXTOVQCZAUw78tYWUmjFhsXi59D+CqhS dsUAn10Ncu+oABJrR2T0n+K8phdbkxWv =GQKO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG Thu May 26 21:30:11 2005 From: HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Burroughs, Henry) Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 17:30:11 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Suggested fix for Wine Message-ID: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D7842064667B@hhpmail.MEDIA.LOCAL> Do you think it might be a prelinking issue? I don't think wine likes prelink messing with it's memory spaces. Henry -----Original Message----- From: Gideon Romm [mailto:ltsp at symbio-technologies.com] Sent: Thu 5/26/2005 9:18 AM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Cc: Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Suggested fix for Wine ulimit applies to processes, not users. As long as it is set in /etc/profile (and not unset elsewhere), it should limit the memory for any process launched. AFAIK, -Gadi On Thu, 2005-05-26 at 09:42 +0200, Trond M?hlum wrote: > ons, 25,.05.2005 kl. 12.19 -0700, skrev Eric Harrison: > > Hi folks, > > > > > > Trond Maehlum recently posted that increasing the virtual memory limit > > (ulimit -v) fixes the problems people are setting with wine. > > > > > > Try adding the following line to /etc/rc.local > > > > ulimit -v unlimited > > When logged in as a normal user, ulimit -a still shows virtual memory > 600000. And wine still show the same error. > > I experimented alot with this, and I _can't_ get the ulimit -v unlimited > command to apply to normal users. I have tried it in /etc/profile > and /etc/rc.local, but it does not work. > > > and reboot your server. > > > > > > > > If you have K12LTSP_LIMITS="YES" set in /etc/sysconfig/k12ltsp-limits, > > you will also need to comment out the "ulimit -v" line in > > /etc/profile.d/k12ltsp-limits.sh > > I do not have K12LTSP_LIMITS="YES". > > Trond > > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Bulk User Add That is in the Webmin module for users I believe. --Huck On 5/26/05, Mark Sarria wrote: > Where on my Fedora Core 3 Installation can I find the Bulk-user add script? > > Thank you > > -mark > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Thu May 26 23:27:09 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 19:27:09 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Bulk User Add In-Reply-To: <200505262240.j4QMeg6S007707@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200505262240.j4QMeg6S007707@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: go here and get the smbldap-installer....untar it and you'll find a couple in there ( http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/smbldap ) The docs (near the bottom) explain all the different ways you can use it. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri May 27 02:02:54 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 22:02:54 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] OT: Perl advice In-Reply-To: <4295C7CD.4010408@inlandlakes.org> References: <4295C7CD.4010408@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: On May 26, 2005, at 8:57 AM, Shawn Powers wrote: > or better yet, text file manipulating Perl examples t Hey -- I wanted to thank those that replied both on list and off. What a great group of people. :) Scott Sherill worked with me offlist, and even belted some code at me, but I wanted to thank everyone who replied. -Shawn From roryoc at nc.rr.com Fri May 27 02:24:12 2005 From: roryoc at nc.rr.com (Rory O'C) Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 22:24:12 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Possible to modiy standard Fedora Core 3 with K12LTSP Mods? Message-ID: <429684CC.2010106@nc.rr.com> Since I already have FC3 on a single DVD, I would rather not have to burn 5 CD's for the K12LTSP distro if there is some way to add the mods it makes to "stock" FC3. So far I have not found docs for what those mods are (aside from generalities such as it adds LTSP and school-oriented packages), or how they are accomplished. TIA, Rory From jon.spriggs at gmail.com Fri May 27 06:50:40 2005 From: jon.spriggs at gmail.com (Jon Spriggs) Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 07:50:40 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] A pro-Linux and LTSP in Schools article spotted today... Message-ID: <96df2e0b050526235053769587@mail.gmail.com> http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/05/18/1944227&from=rss -- Jon "Four Star Gun" Spriggs AKA Jon "The Nice Guy" Spriggs -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trond at mahlum.biz Fri May 27 08:45:33 2005 From: trond at mahlum.biz (Trond =?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E6hlum?=) Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 10:45:33 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Suggested fix for Wine In-Reply-To: <1117139812.8436.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4294CFD8.6010204@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <1117093362.7906.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1117113529.10580.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1117128237.6753.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4296250C.4070208@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <1117139812.8436.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1117183533.7881.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> tor, 26,.05.2005 kl. 22.36 +0200, skrev Trond M?hlum: > tor, 26,.05.2005 kl. 12.35 -0700, skrev Eric Harrison: > > Trond M?hlum wrote: > > > tor, 26,.05.2005 kl. 09.18 -0400, skrev Gideon Romm: > > > > > >>ulimit applies to processes, not users. As long as it is set > > >>in /etc/profile (and not unset elsewhere), it should limit the memory > > >>for any process launched. > > > > > > > > > I don't know anything about that, but the scenario is this: > > > > > > When logged in as user, wine fails with the message below. When I type > > > ulimit -a it says virtual memory 600000. ulimit -v unlimited cannot be > > > executed as normal user. This is the same wheter ulimit -v unlimited is > > > set in /etc/profile, /etc/rc.local or not set at all. > > > > > > When logged in as root, wine also fails with the same message. When I > > > type ulimit -a it also says virtual memory 600000. But now I can run > > > ulimit -v unlimited, and execute wine, and it works. > > > > > > On my Debian box at home, I just ran ulimit -a as myself. It showed > > > virtual memory unlimited. > > > > > > > > > Is the 600000 limit a redhat thing? If so it should be possible to alter > > > it for normal user as well? > > > > > > Trond > > > > > > > > > After editing your /etc/profile and/or /etc/rc.local, did you reboot? > > Yes > > Trond I have some more information on this now. I reinstalled my testserver today. I started with a clean RHEL4 install. Then installed wine, and it worked fine for my user. I also checked ulimit -a and it shows unlimited virtual memory for my user. I did nothing to /etc/profile or /etc/rc.local. I then apt-get installed the k12ltsp EL packages. I ran the initialize script and rebooted my server. Now wine does not work anymore, and ulimit -a shows virtual memory limited to 600000. So it would seem that the wine trouble is caused by someting pulled in by the k12ltsp packages. But what? What in the k12ltsp packages sets virtual memory limit to 600000? Trond > > > -Eric > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jhansknecht at hanstech.com Fri May 27 11:19:22 2005 From: jhansknecht at hanstech.com (John Hansknecht) Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 07:19:22 -0400 Subject: [ok-mail] [K12OSN] A pro-Linux and LTSP in Schools article spotted today... In-Reply-To: <96df2e0b050526235053769587@mail.gmail.com> References: <96df2e0b050526235053769587@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200505270719.22025.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> On Friday 27 May 2005 02:50, Jon Spriggs wrote: > http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/05/18/1944227&from=rss Hey guys, that's my school. And I want to thank everyone on this list which I monitor regularly, from which I have learned so much and which I recommend to folks I know interested in open source for schools. Today U of D Jesuit, tomorrow that school down the road a little, and the day after tomorrow... -- Thanks, John The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. - Mattrol at uscom.com (Drakmere) From trond at mahlum.biz Fri May 27 12:27:55 2005 From: trond at mahlum.biz (Trond =?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E6hlum?=) Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 14:27:55 +0200 Subject: [K12OSN] Suggested fix for Wine SOLVED In-Reply-To: <1117113529.10580.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4294CFD8.6010204@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <1117093362.7906.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1117113529.10580.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1117196876.7881.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> tor, 26,.05.2005 kl. 09.18 -0400, skrev Gideon Romm: > ulimit applies to processes, not users. As long as it is set > in /etc/profile (and not unset elsewhere), it should limit the memory > for any process launched. > > AFAIK, > > -Gadi > > On Thu, 2005-05-26 at 09:42 +0200, Trond M?hlum wrote: > > ons, 25,.05.2005 kl. 12.19 -0700, skrev Eric Harrison: > > > Hi folks, > > > > > > > > > Trond Maehlum recently posted that increasing the virtual memory limit > > > (ulimit -v) fixes the problems people are setting with wine. > > > > > > > > > Try adding the following line to /etc/rc.local > > > > > > ulimit -v unlimited > > > > When logged in as a normal user, ulimit -a still shows virtual memory > > 600000. And wine still show the same error. > > > > I experimented alot with this, and I _can't_ get the ulimit -v unlimited > > command to apply to normal users. I have tried it in /etc/profile > > and /etc/rc.local, but it does not work. > > > > > and reboot your server. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you have K12LTSP_LIMITS="YES" set in /etc/sysconfig/k12ltsp-limits, > > > you will also need to comment out the "ulimit -v" line in > > > /etc/profile.d/k12ltsp-limits.sh I found out that even though K12LTSP_LIMITS was set to NO, the script in /etc/profile.d was executed anyway. If I comment out ulimit -v like Eric described above, it works. Trond > > I do not have K12LTSP_LIMITS="YES". > > > > Trond > > > > > -Eric > > > _______________________________________________ > > > K12OSN mailing list > > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > > For more info see > > > > _______________________________________________ > > K12OSN mailing list > > K12OSN at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > > For more info see > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From jam at mcquil.com Fri May 27 13:49:57 2005 From: jam at mcquil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 09:49:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [ok-mail] [K12OSN] A pro-Linux and LTSP in Schools article spotted today... In-Reply-To: <200505270719.22025.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> References: <96df2e0b050526235053769587@mail.gmail.com> <200505270719.22025.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> Message-ID: John, Great to hear of your success. We need to get you to come to one of our user group meetings to tell us all about the fun you are having. We meet in Farmington Hills on the 2nd tuesday of the month. check http://www.MUG.org Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Fri, 27 May 2005, John Hansknecht wrote: > On Friday 27 May 2005 02:50, Jon Spriggs wrote: > > http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/05/18/1944227&from=rss > > Hey guys, that's my school. And I want to thank everyone on this list which I > monitor regularly, from which I have learned so much and which I recommend to > folks I know interested in open source for schools. Today U of D Jesuit, > tomorrow that school down the road a little, and the day after tomorrow... > > > -- > > Thanks, > > John > > The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating > system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. > - Mattrol at uscom.com (Drakmere) > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > From mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us Fri May 27 15:59:37 2005 From: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us (Mark Sarria) Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 08:59:37 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Bulk User Add In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200505271559.j4RFxb3S028017@mx1.redhat.com> I knew it was already on my server, I was going crazy looking for it yesterday, thanks for the jumpstart. Question - In my network environment, we use a combination of last name and student Id numbers. To be more specific, we use the last four letters of a students name and the last four numbers of their student ID, and to make sure that only that student logs in to change there password, we assign the default password as their date of birth. So for example a student: First Name: Sally Last Name: Jones Student ID: 88781234 Her user name would be Username: Jone1234 Password: 101384 Is there a way to accomplish this using the Bulk add user scripts. Or do you have alternatives that you can throw my way on how to format user accounts. As you know in this type of environment with over 3000 students, assigning every student the same default password, is just not safe and will cause intense administrative work load. --mark -----Original Message----- From: David Trask [mailto:dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us] Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 4:27 PM To: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us Cc: 'Huck'; 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Bulk User Add go here and get the smbldap-installer....untar it and you'll find a couple in there ( http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/smbldap ) The docs (near the bottom) explain all the different ways you can use it. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri May 27 16:16:55 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 09:16:55 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Suggested fix for Wine SOLVED In-Reply-To: <1117196876.7881.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4294CFD8.6010204@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <1117093362.7906.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1117113529.10580.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1117196876.7881.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <429747F7.4090207@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Trond M?hlum wrote: > > I found out that even though K12LTSP_LIMITS was set to NO, the script > in /etc/profile.d was executed anyway. If I comment out ulimit -v like > Eric described above, it works. This is a really silly bug. A new ltsp_config package to fix this has been uploaded into the repository. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From spowers at inlandlakes.org Fri May 27 17:05:10 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 13:05:10 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] [OT] Suggested fix for Wine SOLVED In-Reply-To: <429747F7.4090207@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> References: <4294CFD8.6010204@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> <1117093362.7906.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1117113529.10580.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1117196876.7881.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <429747F7.4090207@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Message-ID: <42975346.6050403@inlandlakes.org> Eric Harrison wrote: > This is a really silly bug. I would venture that most bugs are silly, as proven by bug zappers... -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From nbs at sonic.net Fri May 27 17:12:42 2005 From: nbs at sonic.net (Bill Kendrick) Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 10:12:42 -0700 Subject: [ok-mail] [K12OSN] A pro-Linux and LTSP in Schools article spotted today... In-Reply-To: <200505270719.22025.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> References: <96df2e0b050526235053769587@mail.gmail.com> <200505270719.22025.jhansknecht@hanstech.com> Message-ID: <20050527171242.GA12902@sonic.net> On Fri, May 27, 2005 at 07:19:22AM -0400, John Hansknecht wrote: > On Friday 27 May 2005 02:50, Jon Spriggs wrote: > > http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/05/18/1944227&from=rss > > Hey guys, that's my school. Awesome! :^) Congrats! :^) -- -bill! bill at newbreedsoftware.com http://newbreedsoftware.com/ From erac_greg at yahoo.com Fri May 27 18:07:39 2005 From: erac_greg at yahoo.com (Greg Farrell) Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 11:07:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Open Source in K12 questions Message-ID: <20050527180739.53722.qmail@web60424.mail.yahoo.com> Hello everyone, My name is Greg Farrell and I'm researching a White Paper on the viability and cost of school districts in British Columbia, Canada, switching to an Open Source model for their terminals and servers, as well as curriculum-appropriate applications. The number one issue I've been having difficulty finding reliable information about is the cost of ongoing maintenance and support for Open Source in K12. If anyone has any information on this subject, I would greatly appreciate hearing from you. Examples of the kinds of concerns I'm looking to quantify are (if you've made the switch from Windows to Open Source): What kinds of ongoing issues (including any staff issues?) have you been dealing with since you made your switch, if any? If you have a problem, what is the nature of it and how long does it take to fix it? Is this longer or shorter than before you switched to Linux? Is your support and troubleshooting done internally, or do you hire out? At what annual cost? If it's handled internally, did you hire someone as a permanent or part-time staff member, or are you using the ?resident geek in the basement? model (which seems quite common)? Can one support person handle more than one school? Any statistics to put this information in perspective would be great, such as: Details on your overall system (number of terminals, number of labs, server specs, etc) How much of your overall system (terminals, servers, and applications) is Open Source? How many students/staff use your system, and across what grades? How long since you switched to Open Source? Thanks to anyone who responds, I appreciate your taking the time to help me out. Sincerely, Greg Farrell __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From david at suwannee.k12.fl.us Fri May 27 19:29:49 2005 From: david at suwannee.k12.fl.us (David Dees) Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 15:29:49 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Dell PowerEdge 1425sc Message-ID: I am trying to install LTSP on a fairly new Dell server. While starting the install it says that it loads the aic79xx drivers which should be the drivers for the scsi controller in the dell. However right after that it states that no hard drives where found....I went to Dell's site and the drivers for download are the same as the ones on the LTSP installation CD. Has anyone run into this before? David Dees Network Manager Suwannee County Schools 702 2nd Street NW Live Oak, FL 32064 (386) 364-2148 david at suwannee.k12.fl.us From bill at computassist.com Fri May 27 19:33:24 2005 From: bill at computassist.com (Bill Bardon) Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 14:33:24 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Dell PowerEdge 1425sc In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050527143324.76c9e285@localhost.localdomain> On Friday, May 27 David Dees wrote: > I am trying to install LTSP on a fairly new Dell server. > While starting the install it says that it loads the aic79xx drivers > which should be the drivers for the scsi controller in the dell. > However right after that it states that no hard drives where > found....I went to Dell's site and the drivers for download are the > same as the ones on the LTSP installation CD. > Has anyone run into this before? I just set up a DellPowerEdge 800 with Debian yesterday. Don't know if this will apply to K12LTSP, but since it's a kernel-level issue it might. I had to add "aic7xxx=no_probe" on the boot line when installing, in order for the SCSI controller to work. -- Bill Bardon COMPUTASSIST Omaha, Nebraska http://www.computassist.com From les at futuresource.com Fri May 27 19:45:02 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 14:45:02 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Dell PowerEdge 1425sc In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1117223102.13620.8.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2005-05-27 at 14:29, David Dees wrote: > I am trying to install LTSP on a fairly new Dell server. > While starting the install it says that it loads the aic79xx drivers which > should be the drivers for the scsi controller in the dell. > However right after that it states that no hard drives where found....I > went to Dell's site and the drivers for download are the same as the ones > on the LTSP installation CD. > Has anyone run into this before? I've had trouble with older versions of Linux on controllers with newer scsi 320 drives, but I don't think it should be a problem for an FC3 install. Are you using the current k12ltsp or an older version? -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From david at suwannee.k12.fl.us Fri May 27 20:01:27 2005 From: david at suwannee.k12.fl.us (David Dees) Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 16:01:27 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Dell PowerEdge 1425sc In-Reply-To: <1117223102.13620.8.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1117223102.13620.8.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: I downloaded it about a month ago. David Dees Network Manager Suwannee County Schools 702 2nd Street NW Live Oak, FL 32064 (386) 364-2148 david at suwannee.k12.fl.us From johnny at msad41.us Fri May 27 19:59:31 2005 From: johnny at msad41.us (John T. Leonard) Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 15:59:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Dell PowerEdge 1425sc In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1117223971.42977c2354ac4@www.msad41.us> Quoting David Dees : > I am trying to install LTSP on a fairly new Dell server. > While starting the install it says that it loads the aic79xx drivers which > should be the drivers for the scsi controller in the dell. > However right after that it states that no hard drives where found....I > went to Dell's site and the drivers for download are the same as the ones > on the LTSP installation CD. > Has anyone run into this before? > I ran into this on a different server and had to add the I2O drivers along with the NIC drivers, when it asked....if I didn't it would report 'no hard drives' also....of course this may not apply to your server as I'm not familiar with what it has on board....HTH, John John T. Leonard Technology Coordinator MSAD No. 41 Penquis Valley HS/MS 48 Penquis Drive Milo, Maine 04463 Ph:207-943-7346 Ext.211 Ph:207-943-5332 Fax:207-943-0962 From les at futuresource.com Fri May 27 20:26:12 2005 From: les at futuresource.com (Les Mikesell) Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 15:26:12 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Dell PowerEdge 1425sc In-Reply-To: References: <1117223102.13620.8.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <1117225572.18453.6.camel@moola.futuresource.com> On Fri, 2005-05-27 at 15:01, David Dees wrote: > I downloaded it about a month ago. Older versions are still available to download. If you took the 4.2.x version it should be FC3 based - and some problem I haven't seen. The earlier ones might recognize the controller but not work with the drives. -- Les Mikesell les at futuresource.com From eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us Fri May 27 21:36:04 2005 From: eharrison at mail.mesd.k12.or.us (Eric Harrison) Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 14:36:04 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Dell PowerEdge 1425sc In-Reply-To: <1117225572.18453.6.camel@moola.futuresource.com> References: <1117223102.13620.8.camel@moola.futuresource.com> <1117225572.18453.6.camel@moola.futuresource.com> Message-ID: <429792C4.8060405@mail.mesd.k12.or.us> Les Mikesell wrote: > On Fri, 2005-05-27 at 15:01, David Dees wrote: > >>I downloaded it about a month ago. > > > Older versions are still available to download. If you took the 4.2.x > version it should be FC3 based - and some problem I haven't seen. > The earlier ones might recognize the controller but not work with > the drives. > I've also seen cases where there was some sort of "half-hardware" RAID that required software drivers (I can't remember the make/model of the SCSI card). I had to turn off "RAID" in the SCSI bios before the drives were visible, despite the fact that the SCSI card was detected properly. Probably not your problem, but something you may want to double-check. -Eric -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Next semester I will be adding 3000 users, I would hate to have to enter each user one by one to allow password change. --mark -----Original Message----- From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Mark Sarria Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 9:00 AM To: 'David Trask' Cc: 'Huck'; 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Bulk User Add I knew it was already on my server, I was going crazy looking for it yesterday, thanks for the jumpstart. Question - In my network environment, we use a combination of last name and student Id numbers. To be more specific, we use the last four letters of a students name and the last four numbers of their student ID, and to make sure that only that student logs in to change there password, we assign the default password as their date of birth. So for example a student: First Name: Sally Last Name: Jones Student ID: 88781234 Her user name would be Username: Jone1234 Password: 101384 Is there a way to accomplish this using the Bulk add user scripts. Or do you have alternatives that you can throw my way on how to format user accounts. As you know in this type of environment with over 3000 students, assigning every student the same default password, is just not safe and will cause intense administrative work load. --mark -----Original Message----- From: David Trask [mailto:dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us] Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 4:27 PM To: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us Cc: 'Huck'; 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Bulk User Add go here and get the smbldap-installer....untar it and you'll find a couple in there ( http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/smbldap ) The docs (near the bottom) explain all the different ways you can use it. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 _______________________________________________ K12OSN mailing list K12OSN at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn For more info see From jbaillie at stmarys-school.org Fri May 27 22:46:12 2005 From: jbaillie at stmarys-school.org (John Baillie) Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 18:46:12 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Dell PowerEdge 1425sc Message-ID: <1117233972.20754.13.camel@fedora3.thebaillies.lan> David Wrote: I am trying to install LTSP on a fairly new Dell server. While starting the install it says that it loads the aic79xx drivers which should be the drivers for the scsi controller in the dell. However right after that it states that no hard drives where found....I went to Dell's site and the drivers for download are the same as the ones on the LTSP installation CD. Has anyone run into this before? David Dees Network Manager Suwannee County Schools 702 2nd Street NW Live Oak, FL 32064 (386) 364-2148 david suwannee k12 fl us Yes David I ran into this with FC3 on two servers I built in December, both with an adaptec card that used the aic79xx driver. I googled the following which might be of interest http://forums.us.dell.com/supportforums/board/message?board.id=pw_scsi&message.id=943 https://www.redhat.com/archives/rhn-users/2005-February/msg00150.html But here was my experience After much hair pulling I ended up disabling the "hardware raid" and used them as a standard scsi controller. At first I still had the no hard drives found issue. During setup choose the option where you are asked if you have any additional cards you want to install select yes and manually select the aic79xx from the list. You should be ok. FWIW we are using software raid and have no complaints but we are mounting /home off a file server with hardware raid which decreases the disk IO. John From cliebow at downeast.net Fri May 27 23:17:40 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 23:17:40 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Dell PowerEdge 1425sc Message-ID: <200505280130.j4S1UOV27207@downeast.net> 10 to 1 the i20 will do the trick..nice catch john chuck > Quoting David Dees : > > > I am trying to install LTSP on a fairly new Dell server. > > While starting the install it says that it loads the aic79xx drivers which > > should be the drivers for the scsi controller in the dell. > > However right after that it states that no hard drives where found....I > > went to Dell's site and the drivers for download are the same as the ones > > on the LTSP installation CD. > > Has anyone run into this before? > > > > I ran into this on a different server and had to add the I2O drivers along with > the NIC drivers, when it asked....if I didn't it would report 'no hard drives' > also....of course this may not apply to your server as I'm not familiar with > what it has on board....HTH, John > > > John T. Leonard > Technology Coordinator > MSAD No. 41 > Penquis Valley HS/MS > 48 Penquis Drive > Milo, Maine 04463 > Ph:207-943-7346 Ext.211 > Ph:207-943-5332 > Fax:207-943-0962 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From marksarria at socal.rr.com Sat May 28 01:03:43 2005 From: marksarria at socal.rr.com (Mark Sarria) Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 18:03:43 -0700 Subject: [K12OSN] Dell PowerEdge 1425sc References: <20050527143324.76c9e285@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <002c01c56321$17d2d1d0$6601a8c0@digital1> Bill, How do you like your Dell Poweredge 800. What roll does it play in your environment. The reason I am asking this is I have to set up a small network for a school, and they like Dell, cause they get special pricing. Just want to here what model dell computers Fedora Core 3 K12LTSP distro, has successfully installed on. --mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Bardon" To: "Support list for opensource software in schools." Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 12:33 PM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Dell PowerEdge 1425sc > On Friday, May 27 David Dees wrote: > >> I am trying to install LTSP on a fairly new Dell server. >> While starting the install it says that it loads the aic79xx drivers >> which should be the drivers for the scsi controller in the dell. >> However right after that it states that no hard drives where >> found....I went to Dell's site and the drivers for download are the >> same as the ones on the LTSP installation CD. >> Has anyone run into this before? > > I just set up a DellPowerEdge 800 with Debian yesterday. Don't know if > this will apply to K12LTSP, but since it's a kernel-level issue it > might. > > I had to add "aic7xxx=no_probe" on the boot line when installing, in > order for the SCSI controller to work. > > > -- > Bill Bardon > COMPUTASSIST > Omaha, Nebraska > http://www.computassist.com > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From bill at computassist.com Sat May 28 01:51:26 2005 From: bill at computassist.com (Bill Bardon) Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 20:51:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Dell PowerEdge 1425sc In-Reply-To: <002c01c56321$17d2d1d0$6601a8c0@digital1> References: <20050527143324.76c9e285@localhost.localdomain> <002c01c56321$17d2d1d0$6601a8c0@digital1> Message-ID: <20050527205126.14fa84ad@localhost.localdomain> On Friday, May 27 Mark Sarria wrote: > How do you like your Dell Poweredge 800. What roll does it play in > your environment. The reason I am asking this is I have to set up a > small network for a school, and they like Dell, cause they get > special pricing. Just want to here what model dell computers Fedora > Core 3 K12LTSP distro, has successfully installed on. I just received the 800 yesterday. Am setting it up as a file server for a medium-sized church, with a staff of about ten. It's overkill right now for what they need, but is intended to last for several years and keep up as they grow. It will probably only ever run Samba, and SSH and Webmin for remote backup and maintenance. I have quite a few Dells running Linux and serving files, web pages, mail, or all three, for small businesses and churches around Omaha. All PowerEdge towers, 400 - 800 - 1600 SCs. So far no significant hardware problems in five years. I haven't tried Fedora or any K12LTSP version on a Dell yet, but Debian (testing) installed without problems, once I added the aic7xxx=no_probe boot option. (Seems that I missed the mark regarding helping David Dees with his SCSI controller problem.) I will be installing K12LTSP in a school computer lab this summer, but don't yet know what hardware it will be going on. Probably something used, from eBay. -- Bill Bardon COMPUTASSIST Omaha, Nebraska http://www.computassist.com From david at suwannee.k12.fl.us Sat May 28 02:42:52 2005 From: david at suwannee.k12.fl.us (David Dees) Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 22:42:52 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Dell PowerEdge 1425sc In-Reply-To: <20050527205126.14fa84ad@localhost.localdomain> References: < > <20050527143324.76c9e285@localhost.localdomain> < > <002c01c56321$17d2d1d0$6601a8c0@digital1> <20050527205126.14fa84ad@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Haven't had a chance to try anyone's suggestions yet. I did find something on Dell's website concerning that the scsi adapter won't do hardware raid on Linux...I'll try and disable the raid in the bios when I get back to work ......Tuesday :-) David Dees Network Manager Suwannee County Schools 702 2nd Street NW Live Oak, FL 32064 (386) 364-2148 david at suwannee.k12.fl.us From mwebb at addisonboot.com Sat May 28 15:58:50 2005 From: mwebb at addisonboot.com (mike webb) Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 10:58:50 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] re: screen saver Message-ID: <4298953A.9010703@addisonboot.com> video card is a ati 3d pro agp x2 memory is 256 meg. i should point out that i don't think the x server is crashing, after the terminal goes into this "sleep" state all i have to do is press a key on the keyboard and the terminal returns to where i was at. strangly enough if i move the mouse around while it's in this "sleep" state nothing happens, i must press a key on the keyboard. also i checked into the bios on my terminal to make sure that it wasn't going into some sort of power saving mode after a certain amount of inactivitly, no luck power saving mode is turned off. From balmquist at mindfirestudios.com Sat May 28 16:05:00 2005 From: balmquist at mindfirestudios.com (Burke Almquist) Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 11:05:00 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] re: screen saver In-Reply-To: <4298953A.9010703@addisonboot.com> References: <4298953A.9010703@addisonboot.com> Message-ID: <127C90B0-F9B4-4B0F-9778-E1FC50C538A0@mindfirestudios.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Disable DPMS. Someone mentioned how to do this in the lts.conf file recently. On May 28, 2005, at 10:58 AM, mike webb wrote: > video card is a ati 3d pro agp x2 > memory is 256 meg. > i should point out that i don't think the x server is crashing, > after the terminal goes into this "sleep" state all i have to do is > press a key on the keyboard and the terminal returns to where i was > at. strangly enough if i move the mouse around while it's in this > "sleep" state nothing happens, i must press a key on the keyboard. > also i checked into the bios on my terminal to make sure that it > wasn't going into some sort of power saving mode after a certain > amount of inactivitly, no luck power saving mode is turned off. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkKYlq0ACgkQfqZR3ThMfXRRtgCdGd+ubS3UpoduejyrPVR0mJ2c MPkAn2vd/+l2ycK5fCvZIH/Xp2nCnOLG =F/Y2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk Sat May 28 19:37:20 2005 From: brian at portsmouth-college.ac.uk (Brian Chivers) Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 20:37:20 +0100 Subject: [K12OSN] Bulk User Add In-Reply-To: <200505272206.j4RM6ReF024757@mx1.redhat.com> References: <200505272206.j4RM6ReF024757@mx1.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4298C870.2080109@portsmouth-college.ac.uk> The idealx smbldap-useradd script include a -B switch (try smbldap-useradd -h for a list of options) if you set it to 1 the user is forced to change there password at login so you could `hack / customise` the smbldap-useradd-bulk script to include this. If you look at line 221 in the script you'll see something like this my $rc = system("smbldap-useradd -a -m -g $gid -c \"$first $last\" -s $shell -d $home $uname"); You could change it to look like this my $rc = system("smbldap-useradd -B1 -a -m -g $gid -c \"$first $last\" -s $shell -d $home $uname"); Notice the added -B1 switch after the useradd bit. I did this for custom home directories before I talked to Matt about add this as and option. I realise it's a bit of a `bodge` but if it works who cares *grin* Brian Mark Sarria wrote: >Yeahh.. I ran the scripts successfully, to add bulk users - great job on the >scripts guys. It worked like a charm. I noticed that the script also >generates a unique password for each user. Is there a way to force a user to >change password at next login. I can see how to do individual users but how >about bulk. Next semester I will be adding 3000 users, I would hate to have >to enter each user one by one to allow password change. > >--mark > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf >Of Mark Sarria >Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 9:00 AM >To: 'David Trask' >Cc: 'Huck'; 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' >Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Bulk User Add > >I knew it was already on my server, I was going crazy looking for it >yesterday, thanks for the jumpstart. > >Question - In my network environment, we use a combination of last name and >student Id numbers. To be more specific, we use the last four letters of a >students name and the last four numbers of their student ID, and to make >sure that only that student logs in to change there password, we assign the >default password as their date of birth. So for example a student: >First Name: Sally >Last Name: Jones >Student ID: 88781234 > >Her user name would be >Username: Jone1234 >Password: 101384 > >Is there a way to accomplish this using the Bulk add user scripts. Or do you >have alternatives that you can throw my way on how to format user accounts. >As you know in this type of environment with over 3000 students, assigning >every student the same default password, is just not safe and will cause >intense administrative work load. > >--mark > >-----Original Message----- >From: David Trask [mailto:dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us] >Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 4:27 PM >To: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us >Cc: 'Huck'; 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' >Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Bulk User Add > >go here and get the smbldap-installer....untar it and you'll find a couple >in there ( http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/smbldap ) The docs (near >the bottom) explain all the different ways you can use it. > >David N. Trask >Technology Teacher/Coordinator >Vassalboro Community School >dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >(207)923-3100 > > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > >_______________________________________________ >K12OSN mailing list >K12OSN at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >For more info see > > --------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of Portsmouth College From HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG Sat May 28 20:28:06 2005 From: HBurroughs at HHPREP.ORG (Burroughs, Henry) Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 16:28:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] screen saver Message-ID: <0EFA2C68689A054CA2DE84B8A2D7842064667C@hhpmail.MEDIA.LOCAL> I had a compaq system that when the screensaver or power saving would kick in, it came up with a text screen(generally x server startup stuff). After pressing a key, it would wake up properly into X (nothing would be lost). I think it is an apm issue (at least on my case). Henry -----Original Message----- From: Jim McQuillan [mailto:jam at mcquil.com] Sent: Thu 5/26/2005 5:10 PM To: Support list for opensource software in schools. Cc: Subject: Re: [K12OSN] screen saver Mike, Sounds like the Xserver is crashing. It definately shouldn't be doing what you've described. Tell us about the workstation. How much memory, and what kind of video card? Jim McQuillan jam at Ltsp.org On Thu, 26 May 2005, mike webb wrote: > using k12ltsp and the "rom-omatic" floppy disk on the terminals. > if i don't use the terminal for a length of time instead of a screen saver > coming up or the screen blanking the screen reverts back to text mode and > displays what i believe to be the last things that were on the display before > going into graphics mode. does anyone know how to stop this ?? i would like > for the screen to just go blank. in control center->apperance and > themes->screen saver i have set it for "blank screen", but that doesn't seem > to help. > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Bulk User Add > The idealx smbldap-useradd script include a -B switch (try > smbldap-useradd -h for a list of options) if you set it to 1 the user is > forced to change there password at login so you could `hack / customise` > the smbldap-useradd-bulk script to include this. > > If you look at line 221 in the script you'll see something like this > > my $rc = system("smbldap-useradd -a -m -g $gid -c \"$first $last\" -s > $shell -d $home $uname"); > > You could change it to look like this > > my $rc = system("smbldap-useradd -B1 -a -m -g $gid -c \"$first $last\" -s > $shell -d $home $uname"); > > Notice the added -B1 switch after the useradd bit. > > I did this for custom home directories before I talked to Matt about add > this as and option. I realise it's a bit of a `bodge` but if it works who > cares *grin* > > Brian > > > > Mark Sarria wrote: > >>Yeahh.. I ran the scripts successfully, to add bulk users - great job on >>the >>scripts guys. It worked like a charm. I noticed that the script also >>generates a unique password for each user. Is there a way to force a user >>to >>change password at next login. I can see how to do individual users but >>how >>about bulk. Next semester I will be adding 3000 users, I would hate to >>have >>to enter each user one by one to allow password change. >> >>--mark >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: k12osn-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:k12osn-bounces at redhat.com] On >>Behalf >>Of Mark Sarria >>Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 9:00 AM >>To: 'David Trask' >>Cc: 'Huck'; 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' >>Subject: RE: [K12OSN] Bulk User Add >> >>I knew it was already on my server, I was going crazy looking for it >>yesterday, thanks for the jumpstart. >>Question - In my network environment, we use a combination of last name >>and >>student Id numbers. To be more specific, we use the last four letters of a >>students name and the last four numbers of their student ID, and to make >>sure that only that student logs in to change there password, we assign >>the >>default password as their date of birth. So for example a student: >>First Name: Sally >>Last Name: Jones >>Student ID: 88781234 >> >>Her user name would be >>Username: Jone1234 >>Password: 101384 >> >>Is there a way to accomplish this using the Bulk add user scripts. Or do >>you >>have alternatives that you can throw my way on how to format user >>accounts. >>As you know in this type of environment with over 3000 students, assigning >>every student the same default password, is just not safe and will cause >>intense administrative work load. >> >>--mark >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: David Trask [mailto:dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us] Sent: Thursday, May >>26, 2005 4:27 PM >>To: mes4294 at lausd.k12.ca.us >>Cc: 'Huck'; 'Support list for opensource software in schools.' >>Subject: Re: [K12OSN] Bulk User Add >> >>go here and get the smbldap-installer....untar it and you'll find a couple >>in there ( http://web.vcs.u52.k12.me.us/linux/smbldap ) The docs (near >>the bottom) explain all the different ways you can use it. >> >>David N. Trask >>Technology Teacher/Coordinator >>Vassalboro Community School >>dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us >>(207)923-3100 >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> >>_______________________________________________ >>K12OSN mailing list >>K12OSN at redhat.com >>https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn >>For more info see >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > The views expressed here are my own and not necessarily the views of > Portsmouth College > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see From krsnendu at orcon.net.nz Mon May 30 03:59:54 2005 From: krsnendu at orcon.net.nz (Krsnendu dasa) Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 15:59:54 +1200 Subject: [K12OSN] email for each user Message-ID: <200505300400.j4U40qsR012858@dbmail-mx3.orcon.net.nz> This didn't seem to go through the first time. Apologies if this is received twice. Can someone please guide me how to set up email addresses for each student and staff member? At present there is one email address for the school. Any messages addressed to email addresses with @harekrishna.school.nz at the end are delivered to my personal email account and I forward it when necessary to others. I would like to set it up so that every user has and address like user at harekrishna.school.nz I would also like to uses aliases. E.g. messages sent to accounts at harekrishna.school.nz would be delivered to bill at harekrishna.school.nz (our treasurer's email address.) Is this easy to do? I guess you just set up POP/smtp services and each user uses evolution or mozilla to access the mail. What I am afraid of is that if we host the mail server at the school and it gets disconnected somehow the mail sent to us during the disconnected time would be lost. Is that what would happen? Is there a way to protect against this? I would also like to know if it is easy to set up webmail access from home? Thanks in advance. Krsnendu dasa -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vteech4 at yahoo.ca Mon May 30 12:50:42 2005 From: vteech4 at yahoo.ca (V D) Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 08:50:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Re: Suggested fix for Wine SOLVED In-Reply-To: <20050528160023.781197337A@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20050530125043.7174.qmail@web31111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks Eric!! Problem solved indeed! Automatic update works as well (just reporting since I'm using a dual opteron system). MUCH APPRECIATED! Dan V ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca From mwebb at addisonboot.com Mon May 30 17:25:05 2005 From: mwebb at addisonboot.com (mike webb) Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 12:25:05 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] re: screen saver Message-ID: <429B4C71.9050802@addisonboot.com> problem solved: didn't really get all the "power savings mode" stuff turned off in the bio. thanks guys. From genfil at gmail.com Tue May 31 03:03:43 2005 From: genfil at gmail.com (Genfil Villahermosa) Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 11:03:43 +0800 Subject: [K12OSN] Ports used by LTSP Message-ID: I planning to build a firewall using iptables. Can anyone tell me what ports LTSP use? -- please visit http://www.dekititirsiasiradas.org From hick518 at yahoo.com Tue May 31 10:02:12 2005 From: hick518 at yahoo.com (Rob Owens) Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 03:02:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [K12OSN] Ports used by LTSP In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050531100212.50831.qmail@web32815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Go here and scroll down to "Protocols and Services" http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WebHome This tells you what ltsp needs to function. Then you can check this page to find out which ports to enable on your firewall based on the protocol / service: http://www.shorewall.net/ports.htm -Rob --- Genfil Villahermosa wrote: > I planning to build a firewall using iptables. Can > anyone tell me what > ports LTSP use? > > -- > please visit http://www.dekititirsiasiradas.org > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue May 31 14:34:28 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 10:34:28 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Mac mini as a terminal...any caveats? Message-ID: I'm getting ready to try some Mac Minis as terminals. Has anyone tried them? Anythings to watch out for? I'm planning to set up a bunch for the Northeast Linux conference to demo how PPC terminals can now be used with K12LTSP. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From jim at winonacotter.org Tue May 31 15:05:53 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 10:05:53 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mac mini as a terminal...any caveats? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <008e01c565f2$3d61fc90$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > I'm getting ready to try some Mac Minis as terminals. Has > anyone tried them? Anythings to watch out for? I'm planning > to set up a bunch for the Northeast Linux conference to demo > how PPC terminals can now be used with K12LTSP. Cool. Let us know how it works. The only time I have even seen a Mac Mini was at LW in Boston. I remember the Gentoo guys next door to LTSP tried to get one to work but weren't successful. I think the problem was they weren't using Open Firmware to boot and the N key trick wasn't perfected yet. How do you plan on running them? A local OS X with the option to netboot ltsp? Just curious as I have about 100 flat screen iMacs to deploy this summer and using a machine with 40GB drives and 640MB RAM as a thin only. Problem here with booting ltsp via netboot is that I will also have a netinstall/netboot osx server running. So I would need a boot menu to do the trick. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From spowers at inlandlakes.org Tue May 31 15:52:31 2005 From: spowers at inlandlakes.org (Shawn Powers) Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 11:52:31 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Mac mini as a terminal...any caveats? In-Reply-To: <008e01c565f2$3d61fc90$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <008e01c565f2$3d61fc90$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: <429C883F.6050407@inlandlakes.org> Jim Kronebusch wrote: > How do you plan on running them? I'm curious of any caveats running *any* ppc clients at thin clients. I booted my first iMac to linux as a thin client today (it was cool, just hold the N key down.. awesome) -- I'm curious if sound, local usb, etc works on PPC clients. I tried to get sound working, to no avail, so before I keep poking, I figured I'd ask if it was part of the PPC image. Thanks! -Shawn -- Shawn Powers Technology Director Inland Lakes Schools PHN: 231-238-6868 x9174 FAX: 509-356-7024 spowers at inlandlakes.org http://techcorner.inlandlakes.org ---- The views, opinions, visions, thoughts, comments, sarcastic whims, forecasts, poetic outbursts, cynical wit, future plans, implementation ideas, OS preference, curricular insight, ice cream preference, or anything else I might infer are not the views of Inland Lakes Schools. Pretty much everything I say, do, think, or imply with punctuation should be considered my own delusions, and ignored completely. From cliebow at downeast.net Tue May 31 16:03:48 2005 From: cliebow at downeast.net (cliebow at downeast.net) Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 16:03:48 GMT Subject: [K12OSN] Mac mini as a terminal...any caveats? Message-ID: <200505311816.j4VIG6g04964@downeast.net> david: i still think the minis may need the additional dhcp settings..from what i could see at l-w the firmware resonse was identical to the ibooks..chuck > I'm getting ready to try some Mac Minis as terminals. Has anyone tried > them? Anythings to watch out for? I'm planning to set up a bunch for the > Northeast Linux conference to demo how PPC terminals can now be used with > K12LTSP. > > David N. Trask > Technology Teacher/Coordinator > Vassalboro Community School > dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us > (207)923-3100 > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent from Downeast.Net. http://ellsworthme.com/ From jim at winonacotter.org Tue May 31 16:28:18 2005 From: jim at winonacotter.org (Jim Kronebusch) Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 11:28:18 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] Mac mini as a terminal...any caveats? In-Reply-To: <429C883F.6050407@inlandlakes.org> Message-ID: <00aa01c565fd$c0c45230$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> > hold the N key down.. awesome) -- I'm curious if sound, local > usb, etc > works on PPC clients. I tried to get sound working, to no avail, so > before I keep poking, I figured I'd ask if it was part of the > PPC image. As far as I can attest, no. I tried for awhile to get sound to work, had a few suggestions, but lost spare time for testing. If you get it working let me know. My thought was to load a local PPC distro, say Ubuntu, then grab the sound driver from there and stuff it into the PPC directory on the server. But I don't know enough about how to do that, and ran out of time to learn. I haven't even attempted USB support yet, but I imagine it is not there. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Cotter Technology Department, and is believed to be clean. From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue May 31 16:43:15 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 12:43:15 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Mac mini as a terminal...any caveats? In-Reply-To: <008e01c565f2$3d61fc90$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <008e01c565f2$3d61fc90$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, May 31, 2005 at 11:05 AM +0000 wrote: >Cool. Let us know how it works. The only time I have even seen a Mac >Mini was at LW in Boston. I remember the Gentoo guys next door to LTSP >tried to get one to work but weren't successful. I think the problem >was they weren't using Open Firmware to boot and the N key trick wasn't >perfected yet. If anyone has a Mac Mini.....can you try it and let me know. I don't have the mini's yet....Apple rep is bringing them. I'd just like to know ahead of time of any issues I may face. This is simply for a demo at the moment...so we'll probably boot with the "N" key. > >How do you plan on running them? A local OS X with the option to >netboot ltsp? Just curious as I have about 100 flat screen iMacs to >deploy this summer and using a machine with 40GB drives and 640MB RAM as >a thin only. Problem here with booting ltsp via netboot is that I will >also have a netinstall/netboot osx server running. So I would need a >boot menu to do the trick. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us Tue May 31 16:43:15 2005 From: dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (David Trask) Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 12:43:15 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Mac mini as a terminal...any caveats? In-Reply-To: <008e01c565f2$3d61fc90$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> References: <008e01c565f2$3d61fc90$b39b060a@winonacotter.org> Message-ID: "Support list for opensource software in schools." on Tuesday, May 31, 2005 at 11:05 AM +0000 wrote: >Cool. Let us know how it works. The only time I have even seen a Mac >Mini was at LW in Boston. I remember the Gentoo guys next door to LTSP >tried to get one to work but weren't successful. I think the problem >was they weren't using Open Firmware to boot and the N key trick wasn't >perfected yet. If anyone has a Mac Mini.....can you try it and let me know. I don't have the mini's yet....Apple rep is bringing them. I'd just like to know ahead of time of any issues I may face. This is simply for a demo at the moment...so we'll probably boot with the "N" key. > >How do you plan on running them? A local OS X with the option to >netboot ltsp? Just curious as I have about 100 flat screen iMacs to >deploy this summer and using a machine with 40GB drives and 640MB RAM as >a thin only. Problem here with booting ltsp via netboot is that I will >also have a netinstall/netboot osx server running. So I would need a >boot menu to do the trick. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Coordinator Vassalboro Community School dtrask at vcs.u52.k12.me.us (207)923-3100 From jsmith at breakthroughministries.com Tue May 31 19:02:26 2005 From: jsmith at breakthroughministries.com (John A. Smith) Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 14:02:26 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] HP MaxiLife not responding? Message-ID: <20050431140226.jsmith@breakthroughministries.com.12> I bought an HP Vectra VL800 - P4 1.3 Ghz, 768 MB Ram - from RetroBox last month to use as a K12LTSP server. This morning I decided to do the install and am running into a couple of problems. I am getting the following error at boot "0059: MaxiLife not responding Error". From what I can decipher from googling, apparently MaxiLife is some sort of hardware monitoring and diagnostics tool used on the Vectra series. I can't find any reference to this error code or what it means. Has anyone ran across this before? This is the first Vectra I've toyed with. TIA, john smith -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- John A. Smith Director of Administration Breakthrough Urban Ministries 5243 N. Ashland Ave. Chicago, IL 60640-2001 PH: 773.989.4382, x230 FAX: 773.989.7329 http://www.breakthroughministries.com From jessemcdonnell at comcast.net Tue May 31 21:05:06 2005 From: jessemcdonnell at comcast.net (Jesse McDonnell) Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 17:05:06 -0400 Subject: [K12OSN] Dansguardian XP and identd Message-ID: <20050531170506.0fbcd2c6.jessemcdonnell@comcast.net> I'm setting up IPCOP with the Cop+ addon (Dansguardian) as a filter in my local public library. I'm enabling an unfiltered password-protected account on each machine so that it will be easy for the library staff to bypass the filter for patrons who request it. This requires that identd be running on the XP boxes. When identd is running the Dansguardian logging no longer reports why access was denied, and doesn't provide the url including the search terms. It just gives the username and the IP address. Logging of denied access from a WindowsME box running identd works fine. Any suggestions or fixes? Thanks! Jesse McDonnell i From admin at bookpeople.com Tue May 31 22:44:20 2005 From: admin at bookpeople.com (David Neimeyer) Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 17:44:20 -0500 Subject: [K12OSN] HP MaxiLife not responding? In-Reply-To: <20050431140226.jsmith@breakthroughministries.com.12> References: <20050431140226.jsmith@breakthroughministries.com.12> Message-ID: <1117579460.7879.103.camel@diana.ltsp> John, It not uncommon for vendors to create "hidden" partitions that host diagnostic, monitoring, and system restore software/utilities. So, if you are doing a new install of ANY distro, and do not cater to these partitions when initializing your partition table, you'll unintentionally write over those utilities. I totally forgot about that while trying to salvage an old dual pII Compaq Proliant recently: the result was that I have to buy a special CD from HP/Compaq if I want to utilize the onboard sensors and hardware RAID. (plus install a Windows OS to use the CD...blah) I would guess this may be what you are seeing. -- David Neimeyeradmin at bookpeople.com BookPeople, Inc. System Administrator admin at bookpeople.com 800-853-9757 x402 512-472-5050 2005 Publisher's Weekly Bookseller of the Year "The Best Bookstore in the Country" On Tue, 2005-05-31 at 14:02 -0500, John A. Smith wrote: > I bought an HP Vectra VL800 - P4 1.3 Ghz, 768 MB Ram - from RetroBox last month to use as a K12LTSP server. This morning I decided to do the install and am running into a couple of problems. > > I am getting the following error at boot "0059: MaxiLife not responding Error". From what I can decipher from googling, apparently MaxiLife is some sort of hardware monitoring and diagnostics tool used on the Vectra series. I can't find any reference to this error code or what it means. Has anyone ran across this before? This is the first Vectra I've toyed with. > > > TIA, > john smith > > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > John A. Smith > Director of Administration > Breakthrough Urban Ministries > 5243 N. Ashland Ave. > Chicago, IL 60640-2001 > PH: 773.989.4382, x230 > FAX: 773.989.7329 > http://www.breakthroughministries.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > K12OSN mailing list > K12OSN at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn > For more info see