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Re: [K12OSN] tentative roadmap, request for input

Hi Shahms!

Actually Matt mentioned the conversation with you and mentioned the fact
that you were working on an "authconfig" type app for Ubuntu.  The whole
winbind thing is valid (I don't use winbind so I'm a little curious as to
why)....an authconfig type app would make it so that folks wouldn't have
to futz around with pam and nsswitch stuff. In fact in Fedora...if you
don't use authconfig...in order to get Samba/LDAP to work you need to edit
/etc/pam.d/system-auth by hand.  Not a big deal, but a pain in the a** for
a newbie.  Maybe we could approach this from a two step process....work
with the existing tools...smbldap-tools....smbldap-installer...and then
work on something such as an authconfig type script/app to finish the
configuration of a Samba/LDAP installer for Ubuntu...then...work on
perhaps a better "network authentication" method like you and Matt
discussed.  Given that a lot of us are now using Samba/LDAP....I see the
need to put a tool in place for this fall.  I'll do what I can (my strong
point is docs and testing).  Thoughts?  Anyone?

"Support list for opensource software in schools." <k12osn redhat com> on
Fri May  6 2005 at 12:25 +0000 wrote:
>Matt and I were talking about this at UDU under the guise of "Network
>Authentication"[1] which is likely where his inspiration for rewriting
>everything to fit with with Debian policy came from. Basically,
>RedHat/Fedora make setting up network authentication and user
>information dead easy with authconfig, but that particular package
>tramps all over config files from many, many packages and, in so doing,
>violates ~3 different policy guidelines.  Of course, the GNOME System
>Tools do the same thing and they are the "official" Ubuntu GUI admin
>tools, so ...
>Anyway, part of what needs to be done for this work is something which
>enables and configures winbind in smb.conf which the current smbldap
>scripts (obviously) don't do.
>Actually, a big part of the thin client integration[2] involves similar
>work as one of the big pieces for making LTSP "Just Work" is setting up
>or modifying configuration from other packages.
>Of course all the arguments against Debian are still valid, which is why
>the work is being done on Ubuntu ;-P
>A big chunk of the Ubuntu effort is related to MueKow, i.e. "getting rid
>of the LBE" and will happen in stages (the goal for 5.10 is to eliminate
>the LBE by using something akin to debootstrap to set up the client root
>and then ship that hunk as a package).
>Ubuntu will (probably) never "ship with LTSP" on CD as they (quite
>reasonably) want to limit it to only one CD.  The DVD is a different
>story, though.  I think the plan is to make it as simple as:
>~ 1. install Ubuntu
>~ 2. apt-get install ltsp; apt-get install ltsp-client-i386
>While at the same time making it easy for people to release derivative
>distributions that do this out of the box[3].
>There are many more very enlightening Wiki pages than the ones linked
>below, I recommend poking around that site for a while to get a good
>idea of where Ubuntu wants to go for 5.10 and beyond.
>[1] http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkAuthentication
>[2] http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientIntegration
>[3] http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu
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